| 00:00.05 | geo-rge | but fstab and rest of /etc does need to be on your / partition |
| 00:00.17 | tralala | Azar, what are you running now? |
| 00:00.27 | Azar | I only have /cdrom that all |
| 00:00.31 | jelly-home | Azar: "cdrecord blank" "cdrecord foo.iso", the rest is probably optional |
| 00:00.32 | Azar | Debian Sarge |
| 00:00.39 | Yea10354 | ok i got lenny installed |
| 00:00.44 | stoned | you know |
| 00:00.47 | Yea10354 | btw why is postresql already installed and running ? |
| 00:00.49 | stoned | without a cd burner you can't burn shit |
| 00:00.50 | stoned | right? |
| 00:00.55 | geo-rge | true |
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| 00:01.02 | stoned | yeh so um.. what? |
| 00:01.13 | geo-rge | well you can burn shit... but you can't burn cds :)_ |
| 00:01.21 | Azar | I have a shitty DVD burner |
| 00:01.23 | Azar | a NEC |
| 00:02.13 | Azar | DVD-R/DVD-RW/CD-ROM |
| 00:02.19 | piper69 | jelly-home: check this one http://paste.debian.net/31221 |
| 00:02.19 | Azar | whatever something like that |
| 00:02.31 | geo-rge | Yea10354: when you install anything that's a server (which postgresql backend is), debian will do two things: |
| 00:02.35 | stoned | then why did you say you were burning disabled |
| 00:02.37 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.47 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.49 | illo | jelly-home, tralala sid gets patched for exploits, that what i meant for security... ok i can answer myself just by looking at debian security advisories. most recent one fixed sid and etch not lenny. that's what i meant |
| 00:03.15 | jelly-home | illo: there is absolutely no security policy for sid |
| 00:03.20 | Azar | stoned: I never managed to burn a disc |
| 00:03.28 | Azar | not even back in the windows times.. |
| 00:03.45 | stoned | you reckon hw issue? |
| 00:03.53 | LightKnight | no need for sid to have a security policy, since updates directly in sid :) |
| 00:03.54 | Azar | remember I was trying to get woody, broke like 27 CDs and still did not managed to get it |
| 00:03.59 | jelly-home | piper69: great, so it's available now |
| 00:04.02 | tralala | illo, if sid will get a security fix depends solely on the package maintainer. For testing and stable there are security teams. |
| 00:04.08 | LightKnight | There's a testing security update section somewhere, though :) |
| 00:04.19 | Azar | so damn frustrating |
| 00:04.21 | piper69 | jelly-home: i still can't play it |
| 00:04.34 | jelly-home | piper69: have you installed realplayer? |
| 00:04.42 | illo | jelly-home. ok i know no dedicated security for sid. Gets patched kind of quick though. |
| 00:04.50 | Guerin | there's no good reason to use realplayer |
| 00:04.59 | Guerin | install w32codecs and use a real player |
| 00:05.01 | jelly-home | he wanted it |
| 00:05.05 | Guerin | like mplaye ror vlc |
| 00:05.12 | tralala | !Guerin++ |
| 00:05.19 | jelly-home | mplayer has problems with real media streams |
| 00:05.28 | piper69 | jelly-home: i don't know how |
| 00:05.40 | Azar | flash and real media are the biggest crapola around |
| 00:05.42 | Guerin | jelly-home: with the rtsp:// protocol in some versions yes. vlc doesn't. |
| 00:05.49 | jelly-home | piper69: using aptitude or apt-get |
| 00:06.00 | LightKnight | Azar: +1 :) |
| 00:06.55 | piper69 | jelly-home: i am installing it now |
| 00:06.57 | tralala | I'd put flash even on top of wma/wmv |
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| 00:07.36 | Azar | if say big browsers would not give the user ability to suppress their precious "features" like javascripts, activescripts, activeX and the likes... I will still be using links2.. |
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| 00:07.41 | piper69 | Guerin: how can i install w32codec, i followed what dpkg said ...i already did that |
| 00:08.10 | Guerin | piper69: if you've already installed w32codecs, now install vlc and try playing it |
| 00:08.11 | tralala | I'm still using w3m quite often |
| 00:08.16 | LightKnight | javascripts are not so bad, if used wisely... alas, too many sites don't :-( |
| 00:08.36 | piper69 | Guerin: how can i make sure i install w2codec |
| 00:08.56 | LightKnight | piper69: dpkg -l w32codecs (or so) |
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| 00:09.10 | illo | btw has flash been opensourced? not that i'm gonna install it :) |
| 00:09.13 | Guerin | piper69: install it again |
| 00:09.14 | tralala | piper69, aptitude install w32codecs |
| 00:09.19 | Guerin | illo: hell no. |
| 00:09.22 | LightKnight | illo: gnash? |
| 00:09.28 | jelly-home | illo: no, it hasn't |
| 00:09.46 | Guerin | never expect any free software from adobe |
| 00:09.57 | Guerin | they're basically microsoft for graphic design |
| 00:10.02 | Azar | LightKnight: back in the days when I was learning html and javascripts... I was using a very rare and forgiving browser. All my scripts were well intended and worked with "my" browser ... but would break any visitor's - other browsers.... |
| 00:10.09 | jelly-home | true capitalists know their worth |
| 00:10.11 | Guerin | oh, wait - except their products are *good* |
| 00:10.32 | illo | Guerin, i shouldn't :) but you know flash is going to get heat from competing tech so it might end the java way. |
| 00:10.41 | Guerin | illo: not really. |
| 00:11.04 | jelly-home | Guerin: I find konqueror's pdf plugin much better than acroread these days... so maybe the payware is good |
| 00:11.19 | LightKnight | Azar: your browser was way too much forgiving, then :-) :-) :-) |
| 00:11.20 | tralala | illo, java hasn't ended (yet) |
| 00:11.23 | Guerin | flash has cornered its market, and by locking down the only viable competitor (svg) adbove has a mono[poly |
| 00:11.33 | Guerin | jelly-home: heh |
| 00:12.06 | illo | tralala end up being open sourced i meant |
| 00:12.06 | Guerin | kpdf, you mean |
| 00:12.06 | tralala | illo, mee too |
| 00:12.06 | jelly-home | Guerin: dunno, it opens in konqueror itself |
| 00:12.06 | Guerin | illo: hasn't done that either |
| 00:12.06 | piper69 | Guerin: will this play a realplayer clip from the webpage |
| 00:12.13 | tralala | kpdf == krap pdf, xpdf is the man |
| 00:12.14 | Guerin | jelly-home: yes, via kio-slaves or whatever it is |
| 00:12.26 | piper69 | because it is not playing |
| 00:12.30 | Guerin | tralala: gv > * |
| 00:12.36 | Guerin | actually, evince is alright |
| 00:12.39 | jelly-home | xv ftw |
| 00:12.44 | Guerin | despite being crippled gnomeware |
| 00:13.12 | tralala | !qotd2 |
| 00:13.12 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
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| 00:13.41 | ray_ | er |
| 00:13.41 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 00:13.45 | illo | Guerin, sun closing java up again would be bad pr, so i think they'll finish the job, if that's what you meant |
| 00:13.46 | foo | /USR/SBIN/CRON[19142]: (root) CMD ([ -x /usr/lib/sysstat/sa1 ] && { [ -r "$DEFAULT" ] && . "$DEFAULT" ; [ "$ENABLED" = "true" ] && exec /usr/lib/sysstat/sa1 $SA1_OPTIONS 1 1 ; }) |
| 00:14.02 | Guerin | illo: SMTC |
| 00:14.03 | foo | whoops. I see that in the logs every 10 minutes. It looks like it takes system statistics... but what good does this do me? Anyone else take advantage of this? |
| 00:14.11 | Guerin | illo: until then it's PR hypoe |
| 00:14.20 | piper69 | i have a sun 5.9 |
| 00:14.30 | jelly-home | tralala: xpdf is fugly |
| 00:14.44 | tralala | jelly-home, but it works |
| 00:14.55 | jelly-home | tralala: kpdf works better for me |
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| 00:15.08 | tralala | and it works a few times faster than kpdf |
| 00:15.33 | tralala | and when you're reading pdfs on crappy hardware it makes a difference |
| 00:15.56 | jelly-home | tralala: Ah, I've paid not to have to use crappy software |
| 00:16.00 | Guerin | i actually find kpdf has better cachery |
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| 00:16.15 | illo | guerin, SMTC means? |
| 00:16.16 | Guerin | which is important when your pdfs are scanned images, not proper text |
| 00:16.22 | Guerin | illo: Show Me The Code |
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| 00:16.41 | piper69 | jelly-home: i can see that replayer is installed along with w2codecs and still i can't play the movie from the net |
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| 00:17.20 | tralala | piper69, no wonder you can't play anything with replayer and w2codecs |
| 00:17.54 | jelly-home | piper69: what are you trying to do, make realvideo work in a browser? |
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| 00:18.11 | Guerin | piper69: install the mplayer plug-in |
| 00:18.14 | piper69 | jelly-home: yes |
| 00:18.21 | jelly-home | piper69: what he said :-) |
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| 00:18.41 | piper69 | jelly-home: i can't? |
| 00:18.49 | jelly-home | piper69: sure you can |
| 00:19.12 | mickky | anybody know why my host don't exec /etc/network/if-up.d/myscript on start up???? |
| 00:19.44 | piper69 | jelly-home: but why it's not playing , i have installed realplayer |
| 00:19.55 | Guerin | mickky: because you didn't tell it to |
| 00:20.44 | illo | Guerin, i see some code released in sun's site. i guess 100 mb or so of source is not the whole stuff. |
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| 00:21.28 | jelly-home | piper69: you need to verify that your browser now knows about the realplayer browser plugin. Or alternately, install whan Guerin suggested and then make sure the mplayer browser plugin is available. If it's not, try restarting the browser |
| 00:21.31 | Guerin | illo: no. |
| 00:22.24 | Guerin | illo: as with opensolaris - sun released the OS code under their stupid (but free) cddl license - but you can actually BUILD and install the fucking thing without their proprietary compiler |
| 00:22.30 | Guerin | or couldn't; that may have changed |
| 00:22.48 | jelly-home | piper69: this is linux, everything is half-arsed and unfinished and you have to do a lot of manual fixing, restarting and stuff. |
| 00:23.36 | piper69 | jelly-home: i don't have mplayer, i have movieplayer.. my broawser is icewasel |
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| 00:24.29 | illo | Guerin, that's interesting. |
| 00:24.42 | piper69 | !purge |
| 00:24.43 | dpkg | i heard purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
| 00:25.31 | jelly-home | piper69: no matter what you have, you still need to get either mplayer plugin or realplayer plugin working in your browser |
| 00:25.53 | tralala | !purge ~= s/apt-get remove --purge/aptitude purge/ |
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| 00:26.12 | tralala | !purge =~ s/apt-get remove --purge/aptitude purge/ |
| 00:26.12 | dpkg | tralala: OK |
| 00:27.01 | mickky | Guerin, where can i tell it?? |
| 00:27.03 | piper69 | how can i make mplayer my default player |
| 00:27.23 | jelly-home | piper69: use stuff mentioned in "/msg dpkg search" to find out the correct name of mplayer plugin, then install it, then if it doesn't work and it isn't visible in the plugins line in your browser, try restarting the browser |
| 00:27.29 | mickky | this dir are executed by default on startup, is it true? |
| 00:27.44 | Guerin | mickky: using update-rc.d |
| 00:27.50 | Guerin | mickky: no. |
| 00:28.05 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 00:28.09 | Guerin | mickky: i'm stupid |
| 00:28.24 | Guerin | mickky: check the script is executable; |
| 00:28.34 | mickky | yeah it's 755 |
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| 00:28.59 | piper69 | jelly-home: i am having a bigger problem now, i just did an update and now it's asking me to insert the cd-rom...should i look in the source.list and remove the line that has cd-rom on it |
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| 00:29.54 | mickky | it's a mistake |
| 00:30.48 | illo | piper69, you can simply comment it out with a #. then issue an aptitude update or equivalent. |
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| 00:33.05 | micky | hello, i'm wondering if someone can tell me what package do i need to install to get libtoolize (trying to compile rtorrent and i get -> libtoolize... libtoolize nor glibtoolize not found ) |
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| 00:33.18 | piper69 | now what is this "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 00:33.41 | piper69 | cheese what the heck is going on |
| 00:33.52 | micky | and yes i've searched google and apt for ( toolzie ) and no results on that.. |
| 00:34.18 | cafuego | micky: rtorrent is prepackaged |
| 00:34.25 | tralala | piper69, be root and exit any other running dpkg, apt, aptitude |
| 00:34.28 | jelly-home | piper69: sounds like you have two apt-get/aptitude/dpkg running at the same time |
| 00:34.33 | micky | cafuego yes i know it is but i want to build it from svn... |
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| 00:34.52 | cafuego | micky: apt-get build-dep rtorrent *still* works |
| 00:35.13 | cafuego | well, provide you have deb-src lines |
| 00:35.14 | micky | cafuego cool.. never used that before :) thanks |
| 00:35.25 | micky | yes i do have them in sources.list |
| 00:35.57 | cafuego | micky: I find it easiest to grab svn source and copy the ./debian dir from the deb-src to it, then change debian/changelog to up the version number and build a custom .deb. (easier to manage) |
| 00:36.38 | cafuego | http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/dists/feisty-cafuego/rtorrent/ |
| 00:37.19 | micky | cafuego you mean i should unpack the deb-src provided and use the debian build scripts ? those were my thoughts too |
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| 00:37.25 | illo | piper69, you interrupted apt in a way he did not like or it's already running. Or you're not root. If you're stuck reboot... right folks? |
| 00:37.28 | piper69 | how do i exit them i only have one termimnal open |
| 00:37.37 | cafuego | micky: yup |
| 00:38.01 | micky | cafuego thanks |
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| 00:38.49 | piper69 | should i reboot |
| 00:38.53 | micky | illo i think if no apt / aptitude are running it`s safe to assume that by removing /var/lib/dpkg/lock apt would start working again withouth a reboot.. right ppl ? |
| 00:39.25 | piper69 | ppl= Private Pilot Licence |
| 00:39.27 | piper69 | lol |
| 00:39.37 | micky | sorry about that :) |
| 00:39.43 | illo | micky i guess so, but it says resource unavailable. Seems not a "normal" stale lock, IIRC |
| 00:39.55 | piper69 | hey no worries |
| 00:40.16 | piper69 | let me reboot and see what will happen |
| 00:40.36 | micky | anyway piper69 try at your own risk.. since i never tryed removing it.. i used the safe "reboot" way each time i got it |
| 00:40.39 | piper69 | can i do database update instead of reboot |
| 00:41.18 | piper69 | micky: what is a safe reboot |
| 00:41.23 | piper69 | show me please |
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| 00:41.49 | micky | piper69 i meant the safest way to get rid of that problem would be a reboot |
| 00:42.25 | micky | piper69 and a safe reboot is reffered to when you simply reboot the machine and not press the reboot button / power button or use reboot -f |
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| 00:44.02 | piper69 | brb |
| 00:44.04 | micky | cafuego it seems even after apt-get build-dep rtorrent i get the missing libtoolize error.. hmm |
| 00:44.40 | piper69 | micky: you mean shoutdown -r now |
| 00:44.44 | piper69 | or how |
| 00:45.20 | micky | piper69 yes or just reboot |
| 00:45.22 | illo | piper69, "reboot" should work as alias of "shutdown -r now". |
| 00:45.42 | piper69 | will do, and be back |
| 00:45.51 | illo | hopefully :) |
| 00:46.26 | micky | :0 |
| 00:46.27 | micky | :) |
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| 00:50.07 | regulate | wow you got someone to reboot their computer over a lock file \ |
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| 00:51.00 | o2T7 | hies |
| 00:51.17 | micky | regulate :) |
| 00:51.26 | o2T7 | i have here an asrock motherboard with almos everything integrated, |
| 00:52.02 | o2T7 | the ethernet is also integrated, and nvidia one (at least that is its win driver) |
| 00:52.20 | illo | regulate, i thought that a simple stale lock gave out something like opening read only so the situation was more borked |
| 00:52.24 | o2T7 | But i can't see it with dmesg |
| 00:52.46 | o2T7 | ifconfig -a only shows lo |
| 00:53.00 | micky | o2T7 tell me your motherboard series number / type ( usually written on it ) |
| 00:53.01 | regulate | o2T7: what does lspci say |
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| 00:53.31 | o2T7 | lspci shows all the devices as unknow |
| 00:53.36 | o2T7 | unknown* |
| 00:53.42 | Guerin | o2T7: update-pciids |
| 00:53.45 | o2T7 | one sec and i paste the serial |
| 00:53.49 | Guerin | no |
| 00:53.52 | Guerin | do that first |
| 00:53.56 | o2T7 | ok |
| 00:54.11 | o2T7 | download failed |
| 00:54.18 | regulate | Guerin: he doesn't have a network interface |
| 00:54.25 | Guerin | grrah |
| 00:54.30 | o2T7 | it looked for pciids.sourceforge.net |
| 00:54.35 | Guerin | yes, it would |
| 00:54.49 | Guerin | why does nobody ever have a rlt8139 lying around? |
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| 00:55.12 | o2T7 | Well, I have, but it is mine :D |
| 00:55.27 | o2T7 | This is not my computer and I left a debian on it |
| 00:55.32 | Guerin | o2T7: so stick it in, boot, bring the network up, and update the info |
| 00:55.36 | o2T7 | Now I need network and |
| 00:55.41 | Guerin | but hey - there's a hard way to do anything |
| 00:55.56 | o2T7 | either the ethernet nor the wireless card are recognised |
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| 00:55.57 | micky | Guerin funny you asked that .. i had 4 of them + the integrated intel ( e100 module ) and with all of them in the pc linux went nuts and found 0 net cards in it.. same did osx86 :) |
| 00:56.09 | TRaK | hey all |
| 00:56.15 | o2T7 | It is because of nothing in the pci buses are recogn |
| 00:56.32 | TRaK | hey all |
| 00:56.48 | micky | hey TRaK, what seems to be the problem ? |
| 00:57.03 | micky | shoot me |
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| 00:57.41 | piper69 | jelly-home: it works...yayyyyy |
| 00:57.48 | piper69 | but still one issue |
| 00:58.08 | micky | piper69 what`s the problem |
| 00:58.19 | piper69 | realy player doesn;t have play theater mode |
| 00:58.22 | klhrevolutionist | how to set font size globally in freshly installed debian-40r0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso ?? |
| 00:58.26 | o2T7 | K8NF4G-sata2 |
| 00:58.34 | o2T7 | or something like that |
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| 00:58.40 | Guerin | micky: yeah, they make awesome irq conflicts |
| 00:59.10 | o2T7 | So manually configuring it could fix the problem? |
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| 00:59.15 | micky | Guerin most likely.. i had to swap them out and use com3 and intels in it.. |
| 00:59.29 | axolx | hi guys -- i have a monitor/card that supports 1680x1050. i have that resolution in my xorg.conf, but when i start X, the available resolutions go only to 1280x1024. any ideas? i'm running ETCH and randr is supported by my driver |
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| 01:01.01 | Sn|per | how do i add a user to www-data for write premission? |
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| 01:02.33 | o2T7 | Sn|per adding a user to a group is one thing |
| 01:02.46 | o2T7 | and adding write permissions to a folder is another one |
| 01:02.51 | Sn|per | well |
| 01:03.00 | o2T7 | adduser user www-data does the first |
| 01:03.10 | o2T7 | and chmod g+w dir |
| 01:03.18 | Sn|per | www-data own the dir and has the write premission so if i adduser to it he should write to it right? |
| 01:03.21 | o2T7 | gives write permissions to the group of the dir |
| 01:03.46 | klhrevolutionist | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.59 | Sn|per | i hate that |
| 01:04.05 | Sn|per | plus its just my private box lol |
| 01:04.18 | micky | o2T7 if could you somehow post lsmod output ? to a pastebin on the web of course ( use a usb stick for transfer or something ) |
| 01:04.32 | piper69 | anyone know if i can get relplayer to play in a theater mode |
| 01:04.46 | o2T7 | oh, i just copied lspci to another partition and rebooted for pastebining it |
| 01:04.52 | o2T7 | ok |
| 01:04.54 | micky | o2T7 ok |
| 01:05.06 | klhrevolutionist | realplayer theatre mode ? |
| 01:05.30 | micky | o2T7 the idea is that your card might and might not work under linux .. depending on it`s version |
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| 01:06.22 | o2T7 | http://nopaste.com/p/aA7If9tFj |
| 01:07.11 | micky | o2T7 not much info there.. lspci -v would give more info on the problem |
| 01:07.14 | Greyscale | Hay. I have a € and a $ keys on the keyboard (dedicated keys for it) how do I map them to function |
| 01:07.15 | piper69 | jelly-home: you know how i can play in theater mode |
| 01:07.15 | o2T7 | I'm going for the lsmod output now |
| 01:07.37 | klhrevolutionist | font size globally HowTo |
| 01:07.41 | o2T7 | Anything else useful? |
| 01:07.43 | micky | o2T7 lsmod and lspci -v please |
| 01:07.53 | o2T7 | ok |
| 01:07.57 | o2T7 | np |
| 01:08.33 | micky | piper69 what exactly does realplayer do in theater mode ? |
| 01:08.50 | tw2113 | hi |
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| 01:08.55 | Sn|per | i still cant write to /var/www |
| 01:09.04 | mue | shalom |
| 01:09.15 | tw2113 | what's going on good people? |
| 01:09.54 | micky | Sn|per what exaclty are you trying to achive ? ( links like http://yourdomain.com/~username ? |
| 01:10.01 | Sn|per | no |
| 01:10.07 | Sn|per | www.serv.er just that lol |
| 01:10.14 | piper69 | micky: play the movie in a fluu screen |
| 01:10.15 | Sn|per | so we write to /var/www/ |
| 01:10.53 | micky | piper69 i would suggest you use vlc as a media player ( videolan.org ) you`ll find debian apt links on their website |
| 01:10.55 | tw2113 | i admit, the only reason i'm in here is because i'm trying out a Debian live |
| 01:11.23 | micky | tw2113 cool :) any problems ? |
| 01:11.50 | tw2113 | i was trying to find where to change resolution, but google solved that one |
| 01:12.08 | Sn|per | so how can i write to /var/www/ on raven |
| 01:12.13 | Sn|per | hes added to www-data |
| 01:12.28 | Sn|per | and i did chmod g+w /var/www/ |
| 01:13.57 | micky | Sn|per just a sec till i try something |
| 01:14.22 | mue | i need to use my floppy again after a long time, i made sure that it still works, but i can't find it when watching dmesg|grep floppy/fd0/fd1, i use a scripts which depends on mtools, any help is appreciated |
| 01:14.23 | Sn|per | haha i just added myself to root |
| 01:14.27 | Sn|per | and it worked |
| 01:15.54 | Sn|per | but for some reason my domain will show all the files in the dir |
| 01:16.11 | mue | DirectoryListing |
| 01:16.19 | micky | Sn|per do you have an index.html file there ? |
| 01:16.37 | Sn|per | tornado:/var/www# ls |
| 01:16.37 | Sn|per | analog apache2-default index.html |
| 01:16.37 | Sn|per | tornado:/var/www# |
| 01:16.39 | Sn|per | ya :P |
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| 01:16.43 | Sn|per | sorry :( |
| 01:17.20 | micky | you need the index.html in the apache2-default folder.. that`s the folder that contains the files you`ll see on your domain |
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| 01:17.28 | Sn|per | but see |
| 01:17.30 | Sn|per | its there |
| 01:17.40 | o2T7 | http://nopaste.com/p/ayJhKGbxd |
| 01:17.46 | Sn|per | i just dont want my domain to be blah.whater/apache-default |
| 01:18.40 | klhrevolutionist | Sniper: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/userandgroup.htm |
| 01:18.41 | micky | Sn|per if you havent edited your apache.conf / httpd.conf file then it will not be that way |
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| 01:19.03 | Sn|per | i didnt edit too much |
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| 01:19.05 | Sn|per | lol |
| 01:19.08 | wastro | whats a good super simple music player for linux |
| 01:19.14 | gpm | mp3blaster |
| 01:19.16 | valizas | I would like to speculate on the posibility of using iptables to do nat/masq in ohi ! I would like to speculate on the posibility of using iptables to do nat/masq in order to forward (and send back-wards) all incaming web traffic to a public machine to another public machine, both in the internet, not in local networks. Does it make sense ? |
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| 01:19.32 | gpm | xmms |
| 01:19.37 | Sn|per | what do i need to edit? |
| 01:19.44 | wastro | xmms doesn't seem to work for my internet radio |
| 01:19.51 | gpm | rhythmbox? |
| 01:19.52 | wastro | plus it has really ugly x menus |
| 01:19.56 | h3xis | wastro audacious |
| 01:19.56 | gpm | :( |
| 01:20.00 | gpm | gtk1 has its charms |
| 01:20.02 | wastro | rhythmbox didn't work |
| 01:20.09 | wastro | and its bulky |
| 01:20.10 | gpm | define "didn't work" |
| 01:20.11 | o2T7 | valizas: if you are not in the middle you won't forward anything |
| 01:20.16 | mue | wastro: mpd? |
| 01:20.21 | wastro | i pointed it at the location |
| 01:20.22 | micky | o2T7 besides the wireless network card it doesnt seem to find your Realtek PHY RTL8201CL network card. have you checked the bios to see if it`s active ? |
| 01:20.26 | wastro | and it said 'internal data flow error' |
| 01:20.30 | wastro | totem works |
| 01:20.37 | gpm | so totem |
| 01:20.37 | wastro | but its got more than I want |
| 01:20.38 | o2T7 | Yes, it is |
| 01:20.41 | valizas | o2T7: so, I'd better abandon the idea, right ? |
| 01:20.45 | o2T7 | I pasted this with it on win |
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| 01:21.00 | o2T7 | valizas: that's what i think |
| 01:21.06 | gpm | hm. those are the players i know that do the 'net radio thing |
| 01:21.14 | gpm | try searching |
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| 01:21.24 | gpm | and testing |
| 01:21.38 | micky | o2T7 most likely the card might need some firmware or something.. to be detected |
| 01:21.40 | o2T7 | micky: It probably appears as Nvidia unknown device |
| 01:21.44 | wastro | hm ok |
| 01:22.03 | valizas | o2T7: tks. My flying mind :) wanted a magic solution to the dns delay using iptables |
| 01:22.30 | wastro | is there a way to test sound |
| 01:22.34 | o2T7 | valizas: It is perfectly possible in the same net, but inet is different |
| 01:22.35 | wastro | it comes out really soft |
| 01:22.41 | wastro | lemme check prefs |
| 01:23.13 | o2T7 | micky: At win it is recognised as "NVIDIA nForce Neworking Controller" |
| 01:23.23 | o2T7 | Net* |
| 01:23.41 | valizas | o2T7: yup, I wanted to create the illusion of being talking to an inet machine while being sent to another |
| 01:23.44 | o2T7 | And the same with the c54ri |
| 01:24.07 | micky | o2T7 i would try a different distro or a new kernel with all nv/ new network modules compiled |
| 01:24.16 | o2T7 | valizas: You can do with a machine in your LAN |
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| 01:24.46 | valizas | o2T7: so, the idea would work combining openvpn with iptables ? |
| 01:25.00 | o2T7 | micky: ok, thank you for everything |
| 01:25.08 | micky | o2T7 but that`s up to you.. some ubuntu users have reported that their cards were recognised and they were able to use them but even then they had packet loss problems and such |
| 01:25.17 | micky | o2T7 np |
| 01:26.02 | wastro | it would be nice to have a command line music player with no gui at all |
| 01:26.03 | o2T7 | micky: I have used this same card (the c54r1 version 1 one) in another box with all the same, kernel and release |
| 01:26.09 | wastro | does mp3blaster do that? |
| 01:26.12 | o2T7 | , but the problem is that |
| 01:26.22 | o2T7 | this motherboard needed some |
| 01:26.39 | o2T7 | drivers before beginning to recognise devices. |
| 01:26.45 | micky | wastro try mpg123 / mpg321 |
| 01:26.49 | tw2113 | not sure I like debian |
| 01:26.58 | tw2113 | it wasn't doing much for "wow" at least with KDE |
| 01:27.06 | tw2113 | but that's the other thing, i prefer gnome anyway |
| 01:27.11 | gpm | wastro: or mp3blaster, i odn't think any of those do radio though |
| 01:27.17 | piper69 | how can i open a url with vlc |
| 01:27.25 | wastro | ok thanks |
| 01:27.29 | gpm | tw2113: wtf are you talking about? |
| 01:27.37 | o2T7 | valizas: openvpn is another thing too ;) |
| 01:27.40 | mue | i need my floppydrive, now, it does not show up when booting |
| 01:27.45 | micky | piper69 in the command line type vlc url :) |
| 01:27.48 | tw2113 | i was trying Debian Live ;) |
| 01:27.55 | wastro | can I connect mpd to a internet radio? |
| 01:28.02 | Sn|per | how do i edit the conf for apache so i can remove the www.glodsfsdffasf.dsfs/apache-default? |
| 01:28.07 | mue | wastro: yes |
| 01:28.08 | micky | piper69 or use -> file->open network stream |
| 01:28.23 | o2T7 | valizas: You could easily do it at LAN with arpspoof and iptables for example |
| 01:28.47 | Sn|per | im running apache2 |
| 01:28.58 | wastro | mue: then can I use a command line client? |
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| 01:29.08 | mue | wastro: yep |
| 01:29.14 | wastro | complicated? |
| 01:29.14 | o2T7 | openssl and other secure's have more complex mechanisms you will have to deal with |
| 01:29.20 | mue | wastro: not a bit |
| 01:29.21 | piper69 | micky: what if the site has so many embeded files |
| 01:29.31 | piper69 | micky: imean movies |
| 01:29.43 | micky | Sn|per edit /etc/apache/httpd.conf and edit the DocumentRoot directive |
| 01:29.46 | mue | wastro: weapon of choice |
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| 01:30.15 | mue | is a floppydrive so olkskool? |
| 01:30.18 | mue | (; |
| 01:30.26 | ShiFTKey | no |
| 01:30.28 | gpm | what's olkskool |
| 01:30.29 | micky | piper69 vlc can be installed as a firefox / mozilla plugin and can load when you click on an embeded file |
| 01:30.52 | mue | i mean, it should sho up wehn booting |
| 01:30.58 | wastro | mue: ok thanks ill look into it |
| 01:31.07 | mue | ./dev/fd0 is there |
| 01:31.14 | piper69 | micky: well i did that but still the browser sees realplayer |
| 01:31.17 | mue | wastro: np |
| 01:32.20 | micky | piper69 easyest way is to simply remove realplayer or go through the browser`s preferences and modify the player it should use.. cant really help atm since i'm not on a linux box |
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| 01:33.42 | seriouslycgi | anyone any good with xorg and dual monitor (two graphics card) settings? |
| 01:34.14 | piper69 | just to make sure...what is the vlc firefox pluging package |
| 01:34.15 | micky | seriouslycgi 2 cards or dual head on 1 card ? |
| 01:34.37 | seriouslycgi | 2 older cards |
| 01:34.52 | micky | piper69 mozilla-plugin-vlc |
| 01:36.01 | seriouslycgi | micky, 2 graphics cards |
| 01:36.35 | micky | seriouslycgi what kind of setup are you planning for ? ( desktop spanning ( like windows does it ) / running 2 xorg`s 1 on each display in span mode with no drag or drop support between them / 2 separate instances of xorg (switching between them requires you to use tty`s)) ? |
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| 01:37.03 | seriouslycgi | it doesnt really matter its just so my kids can watch movies while i work on the other screen |
| 01:37.44 | micky | seriouslycgi i suggest you use the 2 xorgs span then ( easyest to set up ) |
| 01:37.47 | seriouslycgi | ive tried with tutorials but only one will work |
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| 01:38.05 | seriouslycgi | i have my xorg.conf online |
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| 01:38.16 | seriouslycgi | http://pastebin.ca/586782 |
| 01:38.24 | seriouslycgi | micky, ^^ |
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| 01:39.15 | seriouslycgi | micky, and my xorg.0.log http://pastebin.ca/586780 |
| 01:39.24 | micky | seriouslycgi and what happens when you start x ? |
| 01:39.46 | seriouslycgi | only the primary screen works |
| 01:40.05 | seriouslycgi | the secondary get deleted |
| 01:40.14 | seriouslycgi | it just standyby's |
| 01:40.20 | klhrevolutionist | I fixed fonts, by creating /home/$user/.Xresources and added the following: !*font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-*-* |
| 01:40.20 | klhrevolutionist | !*font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--13-120-75-75-c-70-*-* |
| 01:40.20 | klhrevolutionist | *font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-70-*-* |
| 01:40.20 | klhrevolutionist | !*font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-140-75-75-c-90-*-* |
| 01:40.20 | klhrevolutionist | Xft.dpi: 84 |
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| 01:41.03 | klhrevolutionist | paster bot.. |
| 01:41.18 | gpm | !paste |
| 01:41.18 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 01:41.29 | klhrevolutionist | ty |
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| 01:43.06 | micky | seriouslycgi have you tried using the second card only to check if it is configured properly ? |
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| 01:43.42 | wastro | mue: how do I add a file to be played? |
| 01:43.59 | seriouslycgi | micky, yes which ever card you set as primary works perfectly |
| 01:44.15 | seriouslycgi | it just wont run both at the same time |
| 01:45.54 | klhrevolutionist | improve your fonts for post-install of debian-40r0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso http://paste.debian.net/31225 |
| 01:45.58 | piper69 | VLC does not play rpm file format |
| 01:46.36 | micky | seriouslycgi try this one http://pastebin.ca/586825 |
| 01:47.44 | micky | seriouslycgi and experiment a little with the config here http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Multiple_Monitors |
| 01:48.09 | seriouslycgi | k |
| 01:48.41 | micky | seriouslycgi my only experience is with ati 9200 and x1600 dual heads and they both have applications that do it. |
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| 01:49.18 | seriouslycgi | i couldnt find any good guides so hopefully that one does the job |
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| 01:49.28 | mue | wastro: http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page |
| 01:49.34 | micky | seriouslycgi and your xorg.log file suggests that your SCREEN 1 is not loaded because the config is missing.. |
| 01:49.52 | inetd | i wonder if there is anyway to make right click as "paste" button |
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| 01:50.23 | micky | inetd what do you mean by paste button ? |
| 01:50.41 | inetd | the middle button |
| 01:51.18 | micky | inetd you want to map the middle button to the paste function ? |
| 01:52.00 | inetd | micky: no, i want to use right button as my paste function |
| 01:52.20 | inetd | micky: plus i want to maintain my normal right button functionality |
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| 01:52.28 | inetd | micky: not possible? |
| 01:52.48 | gentgeen__ | inetd, I don't think you can have it both ways... |
| 01:52.57 | gentgeen__ | you can switch around the buttons |
| 01:53.21 | micky | inetd to be honest i dont get what you mean by "my paste function" but one thing is for certain.. if you want it to act as something else you`ll loose the normal right click function |
| 01:53.26 | gentgeen__ | make them Left-Right-Middle for example (looking down at the 3 button mouse) |
| 01:53.32 | inetd | fair enough |
| 01:54.16 | inetd | ok in that case can map my 4th button to paste function? |
| 01:54.36 | micky | inetd -> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mouse_Nav_Buttons |
| 01:54.40 | inetd | (i have a 4th button my mouse...which i can use my thumb) |
| 01:54.45 | inetd | cheers |
| 01:55.06 | micky | inetd that should get you started on the right track :) |
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| 01:55.46 | xerophyte | what is the best Window manager out there? |
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| 01:56.03 | seriouslycgi | explorer.exe |
| 01:56.09 | micky | loool |
| 01:56.16 | seriouslycgi | heheh |
| 01:56.26 | micky | that aint a WM :) |
| 01:56.27 | zinx | xerophyte: the one you like the most |
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| 01:56.44 | micky | xerophyte depends on what you like .. i for one prefer KDE and xpde |
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| 01:56.50 | seriouslycgi | i dont know lol just trying to be funny |
| 01:57.09 | xerophyte | zinx, i gnome now thinking to switch something simple customizable |
| 01:57.11 | micky | xerophyte many other prefer Gnome or lightweight WM`s like fvwm |
| 01:57.36 | zinx | GNOME/KDE are desktop environments that you can use with just about any window manager |
| 01:58.03 | micky | xerophyte take a look at http://xwinman.org/ |
| 01:58.42 | micky | xerophyte and if you want to customize your kde/gnome go to kde-look.org / gnome-look.org :) |
| 01:58.45 | xerophyte | is blackbox good? |
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| 01:59.42 | micky | xerophyte i've never tried it |
| 02:00.06 | inetd | sweet...now i got my 4th button as paste :) |
| 02:00.52 | micky | inetd cool :) |
| 02:01.28 | inetd | i used to use a console mp3 player |
| 02:01.33 | inetd | but i cant remember the name now :( |
| 02:02.05 | micky | inetd mpg123 / mpg321 |
| 02:02.27 | inetd | micky: does it use nutils ? |
| 02:02.34 | micky | inetd nope |
| 02:02.48 | micky | i mean it doesnt have a frontend |
| 02:03.04 | inetd | micky: umm the one i used had a frontend..like you can have playlist etc.. |
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| 02:03.20 | inetd | micky: let me check my old screenshots |
| 02:03.27 | micky | sure |
| 02:03.32 | xerophyte | Thanks all |
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| 02:03.57 | micky | xerophyte np |
| 02:04.05 | xerophyte | does anybody use cubic_expolorer just wondering if it good better than anything |
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| 02:05.03 | micky | xerophyte that`s a windows app right ? |
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| 02:05.56 | xerophyte | micky, looks like it http://www.boxshots.org/screenies/4405.png thats looks linux one ;) |
| 02:06.25 | xerophyte | micky, is there any good explorer other than nautilus |
| 02:06.33 | mue | thunar |
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| 02:06.38 | klhrevolutionist | anybody got a good etch sources.list they would like to share ? |
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| 02:07.02 | Southern | xerophyte, what is that desktop running? |
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| 02:07.09 | Siavash | Hi all |
| 02:07.14 | donny__ | how do i find the numeric value for a system group? |
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| 02:07.34 | xerophyte | Southern, which one ? you mean the screen-shoot ? |
| 02:07.38 | micky | xerophyte i cant see the command line mp3 player in that screen shot.. well about nautilus i dont know since i dont use it :) |
| 02:07.46 | xerophyte | Southern, if so its running blackbox seems like its a windows box :) |
| 02:07.47 | piper69 | i can't play embeded movies in full screen in both relplayer and vlc |
| 02:07.48 | Southern | xerophyte, yes :) |
| 02:07.54 | piper69 | any suggestions please |
| 02:08.27 | klhrevolutionist | piper69: use mplayer .. |
| 02:08.29 | Southern | thanks! |
| 02:08.32 | micky | piper69 what does vlc say ? |
| 02:08.36 | donny__ | .. |
| 02:08.38 | Siavash | What can be the cause of MD5SUM mismatch when updating package lists? |
| 02:08.51 | donny__ | /etc/groups? |
| 02:08.53 | Av | does anyone know of a way to do per-directory quotas in linux? |
| 02:08.59 | piper69 | micky: in my opinion it sucks |
| 02:09.10 | piper69 | or i think i just don't know how to use it |
| 02:09.14 | micky | piper69 heh :) |
| 02:10.01 | micky | piper69 have you at least opened the stream with vlc ? |
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| 02:11.34 | inetd | micky: found it...its called MOC (i run mocp -T transparent-background) |
| 02:12.01 | piper69 | the problen it doesn't want to open it bro |
| 02:12.03 | micky | inetd cool |
| 02:12.29 | piper69 | ? |
| 02:12.32 | micky | piper69 give me the link |
| 02:13.48 | nozy | no |
| 02:13.51 | nozy | for you yes |
| 02:13.52 | nozy | me 12 |
| 02:13.56 | micky | :) |
| 02:14.00 | nozy | pm |
| 02:14.06 | piper69 | micky: i pm it to u |
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| 02:14.25 | micky | piper69 got it |
| 02:14.37 | piper69 | micky: good |
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| 02:16.29 | donny__ | ntfs mount via fstab seems to IGNORE all of the options i give it! |
| 02:16.37 | donny__ | and yes i am umounting :P |
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| 02:18.46 | piper69 | micky: did you figuer it out |
| 02:19.01 | wols_ | donny__: what optionss? |
| 02:19.14 | micky | piper69 working on it, just a sec :) |
| 02:19.23 | donny__ | wols_: gid, mode, and umask |
| 02:19.35 | wols_ | donny__: paste! |
| 02:19.38 | donny__ | wols_: but i've been trying to get it just to obey gid alone to eliminate complications, and it is failing: |
| 02:19.44 | wols_ | and: ntfs or ntfs-3g? |
| 02:20.10 | wols_ | paste exact fstab line |
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| 02:20.11 | piper69 | how can i make VLC the default player for my icewesal |
| 02:20.47 | donny__ | i cannot explain that suddenly it works |
| 02:21.02 | wols_ | piper69: what opens now when you play a movie? |
| 02:21.25 | donny__ | thanks anyway |
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| 02:21.35 | piper69 | wols_: mplayer or movie player |
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| 02:21.51 | mue | after a reboot i now don't even have /dev/fd0 |
| 02:22.15 | micky | mue are you sure that your floppy is there in the pc`s bios ? |
| 02:22.32 | mue | it is |
| 02:22.38 | mue | it boots from floppy |
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| 02:23.34 | acu | does anyone used moodle ? |
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| 02:23.46 | wols_ | Penix: plugins or players? if players there is an associatein thing in options - content - filetypes |
| 02:24.07 | acu | did anyone use moodle ? or ez-publish ? |
| 02:24.11 | wols_ | at least for me. delete the ones for movie files and it will ask you next time it sees a movie file then you can choose vlc |
| 02:24.24 | piper69 | wols_: i want to watch a movie on the web, and it is in a rpm format, i downloaded and installed replayer. the movie will play now but i can't "there is no option" to play it in fullscreen mode |
| 02:25.27 | wols_ | how the heck can a movie be in rpm format? |
| 02:25.51 | micky | rmvb is the format most likely |
| 02:26.21 | piper69 | wols_: the heck ask realplayer peopl |
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| 02:26.24 | piper69 | ;) |
| 02:26.39 | mue | yup, rpm is fuggin realplayer |
| 02:27.19 | wols_ | ick |
| 02:27.56 | piper69 | wols_: this out of the 'RED HAT" box |
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| 02:28.36 | piper69 | *think |
| 02:28.42 | wols_ | what RH box? |
| 02:29.22 | piper69 | wols_: rpm pakage in red hat |
| 02:29.34 | acu | anyone wants to play media from web - using Firefox (Iceweasel) download MediaPlayerConnectivity addon - this will take care of all headache and pain https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/446 |
| 02:30.31 | mue | thanks acu, cause it really is a hell, when havin several players installed |
| 02:30.31 | acu | I think the Firefox team should include this addon in the main distribution |
| 02:30.55 | piper69 | wols_: i setup my debian box on a 37" LCD and i would like to watch movies in a full screen this is all to it |
| 02:31.15 | acu | mue: you might still have to have the players and w32codec from marillat - but the mediaconnectivity will take care of what to open with what |
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| 02:32.44 | Annon | hi, is it possible to add virtual network adapters bridged to a physical adapter, so that I can have multiple external IP's for a single physical interface? |
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| 02:32.59 | mue | acu: installed the plugin, the codecs i had before |
| 02:33.08 | mue | but doesn't work either |
| 02:33.13 | piper69 | acu: i hope it will paly realplayer and in a full mode |
| 02:33.20 | acu | mue: once you install the mediaconnectivity you will restart the firefox - you will be prompted to tell which apps open which files |
| 02:33.34 | mue | i wasn't prompted after restart |
| 02:33.55 | mue | o0 |
| 02:34.21 | mue | i don't want to doubt the usability of this plugin but didn't help in my case |
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| 02:34.32 | wols_ | piper69: if you use rpms from RH in your debian install. you must fix your own troubles. no support for that |
| 02:34.37 | acu | piper69: I have had no problems - however install realplayer as application (from synaptic package manager) - as anytime you press on a realmedia link will open in realplayer in a new window |
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| 02:35.30 | piper69 | acu: my problem is that i can get it to play in full mode |
| 02:35.37 | acu | mue: you might need to go in firefox TOOLS - Media Player COnnectivity |
| 02:35.38 | piper69 | acu: i have relplayer installed |
| 02:35.50 | mue | acu: i give it a try |
| 02:35.56 | acu | piper69: show me your link where you play the videos from |
| 02:36.16 | piper69 | can i pm u |
| 02:36.40 | acu | piper69 I am ignorant of what is pm |
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| 02:37.48 | ftw | I love answering my own questions as they are formed. in the gimp, how do I use the selection area as a template? I want to ... *ding* fill with color. |
| 02:38.03 | acu | piper69: I can test in a sec if you let me see what you are looking at (even is if XXX) do not worry |
| 02:38.08 | acu | :) |
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| 02:38.16 | piper69 | acu: http://copticweb.com/Entertainment/Egyptian%20Movies/tito.htm |
| 02:38.25 | piper69 | it's not porn :) |
| 02:38.49 | mue | acu: i suppose in my case it is a specific problem because none of my extensions are shown up under tools |
| 02:39.09 | mue | only under "tools>addon" as installed |
| 02:39.16 | mue | +s |
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| 02:39.39 | inetd | \ |
| 02:39.41 | acu | piper: where should I click ? |
| 02:41.02 | Rune_ | hi.. I download Etch r0 netinst, installed fine with a Sil0680 raid controller of some kind, but at boot time it says Waiting for root filesystem then crashes out to a initdfms prompt or something. So i threw an old Sarge CD in and it installs and boots up fine |
| 02:41.13 | Rune_ | is Etch missing some kernel options? |
| 02:41.59 | piper69 | acu: you should be able to scrol to the buttom and u will see it |
| 02:42.28 | acu | mue: in Firefox (Iceweasel) not Konqueror : go to Tools - Media Player connectivity |
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| 02:43.30 | Rune_ | Anyone else have Etch running ok on Sil0680 raid controller? |
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| 02:46.24 | wols_ | !anyone running etch on a Sil0680 raid controller |
| 02:46.49 | wols_ | Rune_: ask real questions.Your question is as fake as your fakeraid controller |
| 02:47.21 | Rune_ | wols_; eh... |
| 02:47.27 | wols_ | !fakeraid |
| 02:47.28 | dpkg | Term used for controller cards that advertise raid functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these got only a bios ... if you use thiem with debian it's suggested that you don't set a raid in the bios and just use regular software raid. |
| 02:47.29 | Rune_ | its just a pos card for an old box |
| 02:47.43 | Greyscale | can rhythembox be used to transmit to an icecast server? |
| 02:47.45 | wols_ | !tell Rune_ about anyone |
| 02:47.50 | Rune_ | wols_; i dont want the raid capability, just to have > 32gb drive on a p2 board |
| 02:48.01 | Siavash | I installed the new version of ffmpeg(3:20070618) from debian.multimedia.org but it doesn't support some formats!!! |
| 02:48.12 | Quintin | My server has .8 tb of storage, it's a PII |
| 02:48.16 | mue | acu: i understood you, there is no mediaplayerconnectivity under "tools" in, yes iceweasel under "tools addons" it is shown as installed, but as i said it seems to be a general problem with my iceweasel installation |
| 02:48.24 | Siavash | but version 3:20070501 does! |
| 02:48.28 | Quintin | How would I watch *all* log files in /var/log/*/*/* for updates from the shell? |
| 02:48.43 | Rune_ | wols_; thanks for that total load of spam |
| 02:48.54 | Rune_ | is wols_ a bot |
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| 02:49.15 | wols_ | !tell Rune_ about smart questions |
| 02:49.24 | wols_ | no I'm not. but you need to learn how to ask questions |
| 02:49.24 | mue | acu: because i once copied my whole profile folder from win to etch, since then addons seem to be broken |
| 02:49.55 | Rune_ | wols_; geez maybe u can make a $3000 certification for it or something |
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| 02:50.48 | wols_ | Rune_: have fun getting an answer for your non questions |
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| 02:51.01 | Rune_ | ... |
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| 02:51.17 | wols_ | note how you STILL haven't asked a valid question |
| 02:51.22 | wols_ | !tell juancar about es |
| 02:51.56 | Greyscale | !es |
| 02:51.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:51.58 | Rune_ | i dont have time to read your question asking bible |
| 02:52.17 | Greyscale | RUNE. ASK A PROPER QUESTION PLZKTHX. |
| 02:52.20 | wols_ | so you want to be lazy but to us help you and waste our time for you? good call! |
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| 02:52.38 | wols_ | Greyscale: don't yell at the trolls! they are sensitive (sorta) |
| 02:52.47 | Rune_ | it's like 300 pages |
| 02:53.11 | Quintin | Rune_: what is your question? :p |
| 02:53.11 | Greyscale | Rune_, thats still not a question |
| 02:53.11 | wols_ | esr is wordy, but not that wordy? |
| 02:53.11 | mue | micky: i suppose that the standard etch kernel still supports floppydrives!?!!! o0 |
| 02:53.11 | Greyscale | Quintin, he hasn't given one yet :P |
| 02:53.20 | Rune_ | apparently not |
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| 02:53.56 | Quintin | flooo .... ppppy .... ?!??!?! |
| 02:53.56 | Rune_ | i will read this proper question asking guide in my spare time, then come back |
| 02:54.03 | Greyscale | RUNE. |
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| 02:54.13 | Greyscale | Just as the effing question |
| 02:54.20 | Rune_ | i already did. |
| 02:54.40 | wols_ | that is not a question anyone in here will answer cause it's crap and not your real question |
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| 02:55.02 | Greyscale | *swings wildly at Rune_* ASK IT DAMNIT |
| 02:55.08 | Rune_ | wols_; do you know what my real question is? |
| 02:55.53 | Greyscale | "etch broke lol" |
| 02:56.04 | Rune_ | yeh im having a little unconfidence in Etch |
| 02:56.05 | wols_ | Rune_: since you haven't posed it yet: no |
| 02:56.47 | Quintin | Rune_: What is the problem you are having? |
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| 02:57.00 | fatmom | hi |
| 02:57.06 | Rune_ | Quintin; i haven't read the guide, should i really bother? |
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| 03:04.05 | piper69 | acu: any luck man |
| 03:04.05 | Rune_ | see... |
| 03:04.05 | Quintin | Rune_: just ask |
| 03:04.05 | fatmom | I would like to know why its not possible on debian to install nvidia-glx with atp-get/synaptic while it works on ubuntu, wich is basicaly the same |
| 03:04.05 | Rune_ | this guide says I should try to solve the problem by reading the source code. I think it's B$ to expect every linux user to get into the source code. That attitude will never get linux anywhere. |
| 03:04.06 | Rune_ | it's elitism. |
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| 03:04.06 | Quintin | fatmom: debian really gets their panties in a twist when something isn't totally free and open source. |
| 03:04.06 | Quintin | Rune_: wow. stfu. or ask question. kthnx |
| 03:04.06 | HomeRoey | Rune_: aye |
| 03:04.06 | HomeRoey | seconded. |
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| 03:04.06 | HomeRoey | Rune_: the "oh, if you don't like it, fix it" |
| 03:04.06 | HomeRoey | mentality |
| 03:04.06 | wols_ | Rune_: you have to give esr a bit of leeway. it's the only halfway good thing he's ever written. and he's a certified idiot |
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| 03:04.06 | wols_ | Rune_: but the way to ask questions (not the fix yourself bit) is rather quite good |
| 03:04.06 | Quintin | esr is such a fucking moron |
| 03:04.06 | HomeRoey | why? |
| 03:04.06 | Quintin | read his journal |
| 03:04.06 | wols_ | and you STILL haven't asked a valid question or stated a real problem |
| 03:04.06 | fatmom | Quintin: so nvidia driver cant get installed simply with synaptic... I mean, its working as intented ? |
| 03:04.07 | wols_ | !esr |
| 03:04.07 | dpkg | i heard esr is a very clever Linux d00d with lots of very interesting philosophical and political texts. a guy who has some ideas about guns and who can't figure out CUPS. The geezer who wrote Cathedral and Bazaar.. Eric S. Raymond, or somebody whose sgeigerbot's computer thinks about when it boots: "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000000", or http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond |
| 03:04.08 | Quintin | dpkg: esr is a fucking douche |
| 03:04.08 | dpkg | ...but esr is already something else... |
| 03:04.08 | Quintin | :\ |
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| 03:04.08 | acu | piper69: just a second because I am on a station which did not have installed any of those |
| 03:04.08 | Rune_ | wols_; without reading that entire document you cited, I can't know what a "real question" is |
| 03:04.08 | HomeRoey | why do you feel that way, Quintin? |
| 03:04.08 | acu | I am almost there |
| 03:04.08 | Quintin | fatmom: You can install it from the .run file on nvidia.com, or google for someone who has put it into a .deb |
| 03:04.08 | Quintin | HomeRoey: his whole "let's shoot all the towelheads" viewpoints |
| 03:04.08 | fatmom | I tried the .run and it failed to build the kernel |
| 03:04.08 | wols_ | Rune_: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise |
| 03:04.08 | Quintin | fatmom: you need to install your kernel headers |
| 03:04.08 | wols_ | Quintin: don't tell people to use the nvidia installer in here |
| 03:04.08 | Quintin | wols_: er, ok. you tell them how to fix it then |
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| 03:04.10 | wols_ | !tell fatmom about nvidia |
| 03:04.10 | wols_ | fatmom: it is possible |
| 03:04.10 | Rune_ | wols_; i described hardware, release, an experiment i did, i didn't mention the fact that i searched the web and found nothing ultimately relevant |
| 03:04.10 | wols_ | !tell fatmom about nvidia one-liner |
| 03:04.10 | fatmom | Quintin: already got the right header |
| 03:04.10 | Quintin | Rune_: You still will not ask your question again. please do that |
| 03:04.10 | fatmom | ill try, thx wols_ |
| 03:04.10 | Rune_ | ok, here goes |
| 03:04.10 | dureyes | can someone recommend a good program for me to archive my dvd movies? |
| 03:04.10 | mue | oh, still talking about teh "real" real question here |
| 03:04.10 | HomeRoey | Quintin: what about it? |
| 03:04.10 | Quintin | HomeRoey: proof that he's a fucking idiot. |
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| 03:04.11 | HomeRoey | what exactly did he say though? |
| 03:04.11 | Quintin | dureyes: dvdshrink, xdvdshrink |
| 03:04.13 | Quintin | HomeRoey: I don't *care* what exactly he said, *because* (are you ready?) he's a fucking idiot. |
| 03:04.48 | fatmom | wols_: can I paste you the error in pv? |
| 03:04.53 | dureyes | Quintin: will give them a try, thanks. |
| 03:04.54 | Quintin | dureyes: you can run dvdshrink with WINE |
| 03:05.05 | HomeRoey | Quintin: so you feel he's an idiot because you feel he's an idiot? |
| 03:05.14 | HomeRoey | Where's the logic in that? |
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| 03:05.30 | Quintin | dureyes: if you want to encode to h264 or such, you can use acidrip, it's a perl gtk frontend to mencoder |
| 03:05.44 | JoelyWoely | ESR's idiocy is relatively obvious |
| 03:05.47 | dureyes | ok |
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| 03:05.56 | JoelyWoely | to the point that saying "prove it" is considerably humorous |
| 03:06.05 | fatmom | I say I have unmet deps |
| 03:06.07 | HomeRoey | JoelyWoely: on what? Honestly, I don't understand all the hoopla people make over him. |
| 03:06.16 | Quintin | agree. |
| 03:06.19 | HomeRoey | JoelyWoely: I'm not saying prove it. I'm asking what about him gives you this impression. |
| 03:06.20 | fatmom | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.21 | Rune_ | damnit I just want to know if anyone else has had success with SIL0680 chipset raid controllers on Etch so I can know to stop searching for a solution down that path, since Sarge works fine with this card. |
| 03:06.32 | Quintin | That's like saying "prove fire is hot". |
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| 03:06.50 | JoelyWoely | Constant blowhard behavior coupled with sweeping false statements. |
| 03:06.54 | tlp | Is there a pre-built kernel for Debian Etch that will boot on a machine with 16mb of RAM? I installed it on such a machine and it will not boot due to a lack of RAM. |
| 03:07.18 | Rune_ | I have a SIL0680 chipset raid controller. I install Etch r0 minimal install, all went well but when I boot, I get a message "boot: Waiting for root filesystem", after a while it times out and I get an init<something>fs prompt. I can't remember what it is and I can't see it again because I reinstalled Sarge over the top to see if Sarge will work, it did. |
| 03:07.25 | HomeRoey | JoelyWoely: Richard Stallman makes blowhard statements too |
| 03:07.33 | wols_ | tlp: unlikely due to initrd which all debian etch kernels have |
| 03:07.33 | JoelyWoely | ...and? |
| 03:07.38 | HomeRoey | JoelyWoely: I don't consider Richard Stallman an idiot. |
| 03:07.39 | JoelyWoely | I'm not talking about rms. |
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| 03:07.45 | fatmom | wols_: any idea? |
| 03:07.52 | JoelyWoely | Yeah because RMS has actually done something impressive. |
| 03:07.53 | wols_ | tlp: a custom kernel will, but: you won't be happy. look at DSL or puppylinux |
| 03:08.05 | wols_ | fatmom: are you running ubuntu? |
| 03:08.07 | HomeRoey | JoelyWoely: what is it that you guys don't like about ESR? Maybe that he's against gun control? |
| 03:08.08 | fatmom | non |
| 03:08.11 | fatmom | debian sid |
| 03:08.15 | tlp | wols_: DSL is based on Debian and can make use of apt? |
| 03:08.17 | JoelyWoely | Um... no that's not it |
| 03:08.20 | HomeRoey | That he's Libertarian? |
| 03:08.22 | JoelyWoely | thanks for wild speculation though! |
| 03:08.25 | JoelyWoely | Why do you like ESR? |
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| 03:08.28 | JoelyWoely | are you attracted to him? |
| 03:08.34 | HomeRoey | JoelyWoely: I don't feel one way or another about him. |
| 03:08.36 | stew | JoelyWoely: HomeRoey: please keep it on topic |
| 03:08.38 | JoelyWoely | See, I can speculate like a fucking douche too. |
| 03:08.42 | Quintin | Rune_: Is this RAID that is on a motherboard? |
| 03:08.48 | fatmom | wols_: maybe I screwed my source.list? |
| 03:08.49 | HomeRoey | stew: aye |
| 03:08.54 | wols_ | fatmom: nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx |
| 03:08.55 | HomeRoey | stew: hey man |
| 03:09.04 | cnet2 | hi guys.. is there any app to test bandwith from shell? *no gui |
| 03:09.08 | Rune_ | Quintin; it can do RAID but it's just hosting a disk, since the board is too old to do >32gb |
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| 03:09.16 | fatmom | wols_: same error |
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| 03:09.35 | Quintin | HomeRoey: I myself have many libertarian views. like I said already, the thing I have against him is he's a moron. |
| 03:09.38 | Rune_ | Quintin; it's an IDE host card |
| 03:09.51 | stew | Quintin: drop it |
| 03:09.56 | Quintin | Rune_: did you dig through google results? |
| 03:10.05 | wols_ | fatmom: you get the kernel source for the module and use m-a to compile and isntall it. then you have the kernel module needed |
| 03:10.06 | Rune_ | Quintin; I did |
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| 03:10.28 | Quintin | Rune_: so, it works with sarge, but not etch? |
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| 03:10.55 | holan | can i ask a question? |
| 03:11.01 | Rune_ | Quintin; yeh that's right. I just wondered if the netinst Etch kernel doesnt have the SIL0680 options turned on or something |
| 03:11.03 | HomeRoey | Quintin: I myself hold libertarian views as well |
| 03:11.05 | fatmom | wols_: I downloaded the source, use m-a to compile it? |
| 03:11.21 | wols_ | fatmom: how did you download the source |
| 03:11.28 | fatmom | synaptic |
| 03:11.31 | Quintin | Rune_: What about using your old kernel then? |
| 03:11.40 | fatmom | NVIDIA binary kernel module source (96xx legacy version) |
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| 03:11.53 | Quintin | Rune_: You could slowly step up kernels until it breaks, then ask #kernel or lkml |
| 03:11.54 | wols_ | fatmom: nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source ? if yes: then yes use m-a with that |
| 03:11.55 | fatmom | my video cards works fine with 96** |
| 03:12.00 | holan | can'g set the fontsize of chatzilla via preference. what could be wrong? |
| 03:12.04 | Rune_ | Quintin, from Sarge? |
| 03:12.06 | wols_ | fatmom: no. that one won't support your card |
| 03:12.10 | Quintin | Rune_: yes |
| 03:12.13 | fatmom | wols_: it does |
| 03:12.17 | fatmom | on ubuntu and gentoo |
| 03:12.22 | fatmom | mx440 |
| 03:12.36 | wols_ | fatmom: sorry. just looked. I am mistaken, sorry |
| 03:12.38 | wols_ | so use it yes |
| 03:12.43 | Rune_ | Quintin; I dont know how to do that kind of thing but yeh It is where I'm up to. |
| 03:12.48 | wols_ | apt-cache show nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx |
| 03:13.02 | wols_ | Rune_: which sarge kernel did work? 2.6 or 2.4? |
| 03:13.14 | Rune_ | Quintin; upgrade my Sarge install 1 kernel at a time? |
| 03:13.16 | fatmom | but I dont get the "use m-a with that" part |
| 03:13.21 | Rune_ | wols_; not sure on that one |
| 03:13.23 | wols_ | !m-a |
| 03:13.23 | dpkg | hmm... module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 03:13.39 | Quintin | Rune_: yes, install all kernels between, reboot, changing kernels each time until it breaks |
| 03:13.45 | Rune_ | wols_; ill check it brb |
| 03:13.50 | Quintin | wols_: how do I get oldstable packages from packages.debian.org ? |
| 03:13.50 | wols_ | Rune_: fine out. if it's 2.4 you might have trouble down the orad. if it's 2.6 the driver it uses should be in etch kernel too |
| 03:14.24 | wols_ | Quintin: distribution: oldstable. http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kernel-image&searchon=names&subword=1&version=oldstable&release=all |
| 03:14.24 | Quintin | wols_: n/m |
| 03:14.29 | Quintin | ty |
| 03:14.40 | wols_ | or better yet: make a sources.list line |
| 03:14.43 | Quintin | Rune_: use that link he just gave you |
| 03:14.58 | wols_ | no. cause it lists ALL sarge kernels which is a LOT :) |
| 03:15.05 | wols_ | all platforms |
| 03:15.20 | Quintin | well he just needs to try them all. including the atari one. |
| 03:15.30 | Quintin | seriously who the hell would put linux on an atari. wtf |
| 03:15.31 | fatmom | wols_: I used m-a, builded the thing with nvidia-legacy, and tried the one liner command, same error again |
| 03:15.46 | acu | piper69: I cannot make it work - they have some screwball compression or something - I would need to work more on it and have no time |
| 03:15.56 | wols_ | dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 03:15.56 | dpkg | ii |grep nvidia 3.3-1.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 03:16.04 | wols_ | fatmom: what does that say? |
| 03:16.12 | fatmom | nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-1.0.9639 but it is not installable |
| 03:16.16 | fatmom | E: Broken packages |
| 03:16.49 | fatmom | borken was there before btw |
| 03:16.50 | fatmom | its not new |
| 03:17.23 | Rune_ | I have to get that Sarge install to a loginable point, I'll be back. |
| 03:17.55 | Quintin | Rune_: do you distinctly remember selecting 2.6 when you installed sarge? |
| 03:19.33 | fatmom | wols_: I feel like I screwed something while upgrading to sid |
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| 03:19.41 | wols_ | fatmom: answer my question |
| 03:19.51 | piper69 | acu: well on windows it works fine |
| 03:19.52 | fatmom | I already answered |
| 03:20.02 | piper69 | acu: anyways thank you man |
| 03:20.08 | fatmom | wols_: nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-1.0.9639 but it is not installable |
| 03:20.14 | fatmom | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:20.44 | wols_ | fatmom: that was not my question |
| 03:20.54 | wols_ | and you did not |
| 03:20.54 | fatmom | 23:16 < wols_> fatmom: what does that say? |
| 03:20.58 | fatmom | ? |
| 03:21.07 | Supaplex | doesn't open office have 'center on page' ? I'm trying to center this business card top to bottom in its region. |
| 03:21.10 | wols_ | < wols_> dpkg -l |grep nvidia < wols_> fatmom: what does that say? |
| 03:21.18 | Rune_ | wols_; 2.4 something |
| 03:21.30 | wols_ | Rune_: fairly bad. now find out what driver it uses |
| 03:21.39 | fatmom | wols_: well, do I paste all the lines here? |
| 03:21.47 | mue | no |
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| 03:22.19 | Rune_ | wols_; will a kernel option be sufficient? |
| 03:22.23 | fatmom | ii nvidia-kernel-common 20051028+1 NVIDIA binary kernel module common files |
| 03:22.29 | fatmom | ii nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source 1.0.9639-1 NVIDIA binary kernel module source (96xx leg |
| 03:22.31 | wols_ | do no paste here! |
| 03:22.32 | acu | piper69: is just a small tweak we need there - though I will bookmark the site - actually I have had a audiotape with Baha Darwish (the nephew of Saied Darwish) singing in a concert his uncles songs - it is extraordinary and I would like very much to get the video - obviously I would pay for it if I could get it at good quality - from Helua Di to many other great songs |
| 03:22.36 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.05 | fatmom | wols_: where can I paste then |
| 03:23.56 | Supaplex | fatmom: http://rafb.net/paste |
| 03:24.16 | wols_ | Rune_: the idea is to find what driver 2.4 uses and then make etch use the same. installing might be a bit hard but we can manage one way or othre. the trick is to normally run etch afterwqrds (and possibly file a bug against debian's kernel) |
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| 03:24.42 | fatmom | wols_: http://rafb.net/p/iMfBxu32.html |
| 03:25.52 | Rune_ | wols_; yeh I see where you are going |
| 03:26.11 | fatmom | well, can anyone else help me |
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| 03:26.57 | Rune_ | wols_; im just trying to get this test box up so I can test another "potential problem" witch Etch on a production install, I think I will try and run without the host card... |
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| 03:29.13 | wols_ | fatmom: do you have a nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx*.deb somewhere on your disk? |
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| 03:29.30 | wols_ | fatmom: if so install it. if not: don't lie to me about compiling with m-a |
| 03:30.53 | fatmom | I have nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx*.deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 03:31.10 | fatmom | wols_: well, I typed m-a, and followed the menu... |
| 03:31.58 | fatmom | wols_: wait, its nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source_1.0.9639-1_i386.deb |
| 03:32.14 | fatmom | not nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx*.deb |
| 03:32.22 | fatmom | or its the same... |
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| 03:34.14 | wols_ | no, not the source. the driver, the compiled driver |
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| 03:34.17 | wols_ | do you have it? |
| 03:34.32 | wols_ | fatmom: m-a als can install automatically what it compiled |
| 03:34.49 | fatmom | wols_: the file I showed you is all I have |
| 03:35.01 | fatmom | wols_: so I just do m-a als? |
| 03:36.38 | Greyscale | RAAARGH D: icecast is being a pain |
| 03:36.45 | Greyscale | sleep now >.< |
| 03:36.47 | Greyscale | nini all |
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| 03:37.49 | fatmom | wols_: In the LIST section it cant find it |
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| 03:37.56 | wols_ | fatmom: yes. you use m-a finally instead of just pretending to as you did before |
| 03:38.13 | fatmom | wols_: I did it before, I wasnt lying, I just missed a step |
| 03:38.21 | Yea10354 | whats the best server virutulization software ? |
| 03:38.33 | wols_ | fatmom: use the curseor "down". it is there |
| 03:38.37 | wols_ | !best |
| 03:38.37 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 03:38.40 | Yea10354 | so i can setup my server or w/e virtual wise first to make sure its all good before i move to a real server ? |
| 03:38.50 | Guerin | men at work! |
| 03:39.02 | fatmom | wols_: I selected the legacy-drivers, now when I LIST, i say he cant find it |
| 03:39.07 | wols_ | Guerin: I like women at play a lot better. if I can choose the game |
| 03:39.29 | wols_ | fatmom: search, get, build |
| 03:39.44 | wols_ | and not to forget: install! |
| 03:40.01 | fatmom | wols_: cant get :( |
| 03:40.23 | fatmom | wols_: say maybe I need contrib and non free |
| 03:40.41 | fatmom | but I have them, maybe thats the wrong ones |
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| 03:42.30 | wols_ | fatmom: remove all nvidia packages. install the kernel legacy source )the one without any version numbers) |
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| 03:42.40 | wols_ | then run m-a and don't do the get part since oyu already have it |
| 03:42.55 | Quintin | I want to install some things from the second source shown when I do apt-cache policy <pkg> how do I do this? |
| 03:43.41 | YaleR | so I've installed kpdf and ghostview, and afaik the settings in control center are correct. I know this is a KDE issue, but it seems specific to debian. Most other distros work. The problem is pdfs don't preview in konqueror. |
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| 03:44.26 | fatmom | wols_: the legacy source without version ? in synaptic? |
| 03:44.39 | wols_ | fatmom: yes |
| 03:46.00 | fatmom | wols_: it dosent want to install |
| 03:46.00 | wols_ | YaleR: what exact debian version? |
| 03:46.00 | wols_ | !tell fatmom about bat |
| 03:46.00 | YaleR | wols_: stable |
| 03:46.00 | YaleR | etch |
| 03:47.10 | Quintin | hah! I'm reading about this datacenter, right? Here is what they say on their site: "Argon Fire extinguishers are automatically used when there's fire. " |
| 03:47.30 | Quintin | They don't say "if" there is a fire, they say "when", as if fires are a regular and expected thing in a datacenter |
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| 03:47.59 | wols_ | YaleR: start konw from a xterm and try to view a pdf. check for errors in xterm |
| 03:48.02 | wols_ | or do a strace perhaps |
| 03:48.29 | wols_ | or better: run X via startx and ehck that terminal for errors since it'S probably a kio_slave that errors out |
| 03:48.37 | fatmom | wols_: http://paste.debian.net/31227 |
| 03:48.43 | fatmom | same error, again |
| 03:48.56 | YaleR | wols_: alright |
| 03:49.05 | wols_ | fatmom: you need to install the kernel source. not the glx |
| 03:49.25 | Rusty1 | YaleR: apt-cache policy konq-plugins ? |
| 03:51.29 | fatmom | wols_: http://paste.debian.net/31228 |
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| 03:51.35 | fatmom | same error again |
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| 03:52.06 | wols_ | fatmom: aptitude install both, the 71vesion and the default legacy |
| 03:52.36 | YaleR | Rusty1: Installed: 4:3.5.5-1 |
| 03:52.46 | fatmom | wols_: but I can install the 96** just fine, wierd :/ |
| 03:54.03 | fatmom | wols_: I cant even install aptitude |
| 03:54.15 | fatmom | wols_: I really think I messed something with the repo list |
| 03:54.40 | wols_ | aptitude in sid right now is broken. some lib error when trying to install aptitude? |
| 03:54.53 | fatmom | wols_: libapt |
| 03:54.59 | Rusty1 | YaleR: apt-cache policy kghostview ? |
| 03:55.00 | Resonance | Yea, I can't install it here |
| 03:55.04 | wols_ | yes. install it from lenny or simply use apt-get |
| 03:55.20 | fatmom | wols_: but I used apt-get fot the kernel |
| 03:55.31 | wols_ | and? |
| 03:55.38 | Resonance | I'm also unable to get the nvidia going |
| 03:55.42 | fatmom | wols_: the link I pasted you |
| 03:55.43 | Yea10354 | whats good software to imitate a server ? |
| 03:56.12 | wols_ | Yea10354: why imitate? do you have debian already installed? |
| 03:56.30 | mazzanet | Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch |
| 03:56.30 | wols_ | fatmom: I told you what to do |
| 03:56.33 | mazzanet | umm |
| 03:56.54 | wols_ | install 71 and default legacy bot at the same time. same line |
| 03:57.02 | Yea10354 | wols_: i have a remote server im trying to install something that makes me change the kerrnel patch it |
| 03:57.12 | Yea10354 | so i want to make sure its all up and working |
| 03:57.18 | fatmom | wols_: and thats what I did, http://paste.debian.net/31229 |
| 03:57.18 | Yea10354 | before hand |
| 03:57.28 | YaleR | Rusty1: latest version, I've been trying kpdf as well |
| 03:57.29 | wols_ | Yea10354: use qemu |
| 03:57.45 | wols_ | fatmom: you did not |
| 03:57.56 | Yea10354 | wols_: does qemu let me decide hardware ? |
| 03:58.01 | wols_ | fatmom: I told you to install BOTH |
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| 03:58.14 | wols_ | Yea10354: no. no virtualization does |
| 03:58.24 | wols_ | not even paravirt |
| 03:58.55 | Yea10354 | wols_: huh ? |
| 03:58.55 | wols_ | either it comes with its own hardware it uses for the client or it hands through the actual hardware (like xen) |
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| 03:59.08 | fatmom | wols_: 71xx-source isntalled fine, -source did not |
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| 03:59.14 | Yea10354 | my remote server uses SATA |
| 03:59.20 | Yea10354 | etc |
| 03:59.26 | Yea10354 | i want to make sure my patched kerrnel is good |
| 03:59.42 | wols_ | Yea10354: what cpu? |
| 03:59.49 | Yea10354 | p4 |
| 03:59.57 | wols_ | more precise please |
| 04:00.15 | Yea10354 | a 2.8 ghz p 4 |
| 04:00.16 | wols_ | on the top of my head there are about half a dozen types on the edsktop alone |
| 04:00.21 | fatmom | wols_: do I use m-a now ? |
| 04:00.25 | YaleR | wols_: okay... done |
| 04:00.28 | wols_ | that is not what I asked. what chip type. not speeds. does it have VT? |
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| 04:00.35 | Rusty1 | YaleR: have you restarted kde since installing kpdf and/or kghostview |
| 04:00.45 | YaleR | yes I just restarted the box |
| 04:00.47 | YaleR | no errors |
| 04:00.58 | wols_ | fatmom: use it from the commandline then |
| 04:01.11 | fatmom | wols_: ? |
| 04:01.19 | YaleR | I can preview it, but it won't show up in the icon view |
| 04:01.23 | YaleR | it should... right... |
| 04:01.28 | wols_ | then you can use it with the 71 package (or the 96 too). man m-a |
| 04:01.31 | Yea10354 | wols_: VT? |
| 04:02.01 | wols_ | Yea10354: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_VT |
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| 04:02.31 | Yea10354 | no dont think so |
| 04:02.35 | fatmom | wols_: I have the same error again |
| 04:02.49 | wols_ | Yea10354: then you can use a debian xen kernel on the host and run any kernel in the client |
| 04:02.50 | Yea10354 | basically im trying to install some software on my debian box .........it requires me too patch my kerrnel |
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| 04:03.06 | wols_ | Yea10354: you already said them |
| 04:03.12 | Yea10354 | so im trying to do it before hand locally to make sure its ok for the host |
| 04:03.14 | leppard | anyone know what this means "ata2: soft resetting port " |
| 04:03.15 | wols_ | fatmom: how did you call m-a? |
| 04:03.32 | fatmom | wols_: well, m-a |
| 04:03.48 | wols_ | Yea10354: and I told you you cannot emulate any hardware just nilly-willy as you wish |
| 04:03.57 | wols_ | fatmom: I told you not to. |
| 04:04.06 | wols_ | I told you to use the commandline version only |
| 04:04.26 | Yea10354 | wols_: damn |
| 04:04.32 | Yea10354 | cause i already crashed one debian server |
| 04:04.52 | Rusty1 | YaleR: in konqueror Settings File Associations - everything looks right for pdf? |
| 04:05.05 | wols_ | Yea10354: what patch btw? |
| 04:05.19 | wols_ | Yea10354: have you successfully used custom kernels before? |
| 04:05.26 | Yea10354 | no |
| 04:05.32 | Yea10354 | i am installing Linux Vserver wols_ |
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| 04:05.39 | wols_ | Yea10354: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-fallback-systems.html |
| 04:05.39 | Yea10354 | it requires a kerrnel patch |
| 04:05.59 | wols_ | a virtual server inside a virtual server? |
| 04:06.02 | Yea10354 | no |
| 04:06.07 | YaleR | Rusty1: yes, I've been switching between KPDF, KGhostView and Reader in general and embedding |
| 04:06.09 | Yea10354 | I have a real server |
| 04:06.11 | YaleR | nothing changes? |
| 04:06.19 | Yea10354 | i tried installing linux vserver via apt-get |
| 04:06.22 | Yea10354 | i rebooted |
| 04:06.24 | Yea10354 | ddint work ;) |
| 04:06.28 | wols_ | Yea10354: read the link |
| 04:06.36 | Yea10354 | so i am guessing it was a kerrnel issue |
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| 04:07.29 | wols_ | stew: you there. you recently told me (and others) about grub fallback. do you know how grub detects a failed boot/kernel? |
| 04:08.15 | wols_ | fatmom: try "m-a build <packagename> |
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| 04:08.36 | YaleR | Rusty1: trying something... |
| 04:08.52 | samesame | wols_: what kind of stuff do u install on your debian box(s)? |
| 04:09.18 | wols_ | samesame: anything I want |
| 04:09.45 | samesame | ok.. |
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| 04:10.19 | wols_ | samesame: I have a server and an old notebook under debian |
| 04:10.46 | samesame | what does your server serve? |
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| 04:11.31 | wols_ | mail, web, ftp, imap, files,... |
| 04:11.33 | Rune_ | come on wols_ my questions are better than this |
| 04:11.57 | wols_ | Rune_: I wouldn't call them enlightened but at least precise :) |
| 04:12.01 | wols_ | and note the lack of "anyone" :P |
| 04:12.33 | Rune_ | anyone_in_this_chat_room |
| 04:12.35 | samesame | wols_: i take it u use squid for web cache on your server? |
| 04:12.41 | simonrvn | ...and better than "ne1 have a script they can give me to do ___??????" |
| 04:13.01 | Rune_ | ne1, far more efficient and bandwidth friendly |
| 04:13.17 | simonrvn | and makes you look like an AOL luser |
| 04:13.34 | Rune_ | hehe |
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| 04:14.16 | wols_ | samesame: no. did I said proxy server? |
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| 04:14.17 | samesame | u just said web? |
| 04:14.36 | simonrvn | web != web proxy |
| 04:14.51 | samesame | thats what i thought? |
| 04:14.59 | samesame | why would u have 'web' on a server? |
| 04:15.03 | fatmom | wols_: wich pkg? |
| 04:15.24 | simonrvn | ... |
| 04:15.31 | Greyscale | Hey, for transmitting to my shoutcast server, other than darksnow, what are my other choices? |
| 04:15.48 | samesame | Greyscale: use the linux shoutcast tool |
| 04:16.02 | samesame | what is available for download on www.shoutcast.com |
| 04:16.05 | Greyscale | tah, |
| 04:16.22 | wols_ | fatmom: your kernem module source |
| 04:16.28 | samesame | i think its called shoutcast_trans |
| 04:16.33 | samesame | something like that |
| 04:17.32 | inetd | why cant libcurl4-gnutls and libcurl3-gnutls co-exist?? installed filenames are different |
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| 04:18.27 | simonrvn | ask the maintainer |
| 04:18.43 | simonrvn | ...and just stick your stuff on hold if you need to |
| 04:18.59 | Greyscale | samesame, hey, that seems to just send from a playlist. I want to stream. |
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| 04:20.30 | Marklarz | hello |
| 04:20.32 | Marklarz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.46 | wols_ | Marklarz: why are you using OSS? |
| 04:22.09 | Marklarz | wols_, I'm not |
| 04:22.12 | inetd | simonrvn: can i force install? |
| 04:22.27 | wols_ | you sure as heck are: /dev/dsp* is oos and nothing else |
| 04:22.39 | wols_ | *ss |
| 04:22.55 | Marklarz | wols_, then how can I get it to run through alsa? there isn't an oss driver for that card |
| 04:23.35 | Marklarz | wols_, and for that matter, why do I have a /dev/dsp1 if there is no oss driver for it in my kernel? |
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| 04:26.32 | simonrvn | inetd: no |
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| 04:27.32 | Rusty1 | Marklarz: tried alsaconf from a root shell ? |
| 04:27.49 | inetd | simonrvn: hmm... currently i need libcurl4-gnutls for ooffice and libcurl3-gnutls for moc (mp3 player) |
| 04:28.02 | inetd | simonrvn: anyway around this without manually compiling? |
| 04:28.05 | Marklarz | Rusty1, no. what do I want to do with that? |
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| 04:28.34 | hark | inetd: sid? |
| 04:29.24 | FrozenDawn | 'llo there |
| 04:29.27 | Rusty1 | Marklarz: open a root shell and type :alsaconf, see what if it sees your new card |
| 04:29.46 | Xenguy | Rusty1: colon ? |
| 04:29.50 | Rusty1 | no |
| 04:29.53 | Marklarz | Rusty1, it says no supported card was found |
| 04:30.04 | FrozenDawn | i got a bit of a problem with apt ... |
| 04:30.23 | FrozenDawn | it's refusing to update some programs to the "testing version" |
| 04:30.33 | Xenguy | Rusty1: just pointing out a potential typo :-) |
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| 04:31.57 | FrozenDawn | it gives me a huge list of packages that wont be update every time I run an "apt-get upgrade" |
| 04:32.14 | Rusty1 | Xenguy: i type like old people screw |
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| 04:33.00 | jetscreamer | try aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 04:33.10 | jetscreamer | not just upgrade |
| 04:33.35 | wols_ | Marklarz: alsa OSS emulation |
| 04:34.02 | wols_ | FrozenDawn: aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 04:34.03 | Marklarz | wols_, there are no oss drivers for my cards, only alsa drivers. They are built into the kernel, not as modules, if that matters |
| 04:34.10 | inetd | hark: im on unstable atm |
| 04:34.13 | jetscreamer | wols_: great idea! |
| 04:34.23 | wols_ | Marklarz: I told you: alsa oss emulation. and stop telling kde to use oss |
| 04:34.25 | FrozenDawn | well, silly me. Was already reading config files |
| 04:34.32 | FrozenDawn | Thanks a lot ! |
| 04:35.25 | Supaplex | alsa ftw! |
| 04:35.56 | Marklarz | wols_, if you can't help me get it to work, your bitching is of no value. I'd like to get it to work with alsa, but no one seems to be able to tell me how. If you have something constructive to say about how to get it working, that would be appreciated. If you don't, then shut up |
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| 04:36.13 | jetscreamer | real men don't need sound, they just have the sheetmusic in the subtitles |
| 04:36.34 | FrozenDawn | Marklarz: did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 04:36.47 | jetscreamer | Marklarz: tsk. |
| 04:37.02 | Marklarz | FrozenDawn, yup |
| 04:37.19 | jetscreamer | so when you compiled your own kernel, did you mess up? |
| 04:37.20 | wols_ | Marklarz: you haven't even told us what card it is yet and you expect us to help |
| 04:37.41 | wols_ | jetscreamer: that could be too of course |
| 04:37.53 | FrozenDawn | Marklarz: i fear that, if you did not include the module for your card in the kernel, alsaconf won't be able to find it |
| 04:37.55 | Marklarz | jetscreamer, no |
| 04:38.06 | Marklarz | FrozenDawn, it's built into the kernel, not as a module |
| 04:38.14 | jetscreamer | did it work before you compiled your own kernel? |
| 04:38.33 | wols_ | FrozenDawn: yes. that means alsaconf can't work. it needs sound as modules |
| 04:38.41 | wols_ | emr, Marklarz |
| 04:38.48 | Marklarz | jetscreamer, no, because I didn't own it and didn't have my kernel compiled for it before then. once I installed it, I recompiled and added support for it. |
| 04:39.10 | jetscreamer | must be gentoo |
| 04:39.13 | wols_ | Marklarz: does /dev/snd/whatevre work for your card? |
| 04:39.14 | Marklarz | wols_, my old sound card worked, it was compiled into the kernel, not as a module |
| 04:39.45 | FrozenDawn | Marklarz: I know this will sound silly, but anyways: would you consider making it a module for alsaconf to find it ? |
| 04:39.46 | jetscreamer | is your sound card animal, mineral, or vegatable |
| 04:39.51 | Marklarz | there are things in /dev/snd. I don't know if they work. whatever is for my old sound card will obviously work, I have had no problems with it |
| 04:39.54 | wols_ | cat /dev/sndstat |
| 04:39.55 | jetscreamer | vegetable |
| 04:40.17 | jetscreamer | is it bigger than a breadbox |
| 04:40.22 | wols_ | jetscreamer: no. that's what HE is from his answers so far? |
| 04:40.41 | jetscreamer | hey i thougt we were playing 20 questions |
| 04:40.57 | wols_ | jetscreamer: sure. but you cheated and gave wrong answers |
| 04:41.00 | Marklarz | wols_, both sound cards are listed thre |
| 04:41.11 | wols_ | then tell kde to use alsa |
| 04:41.48 | wols_ | e.g. OSS never really could do mixing. alsa can |
| 04:41.59 | wols_ | you don't want OOS if you can avoid it |
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| 04:42.13 | jetscreamer | so you have 2 sound cards, or just support for 2 sound cards loaded |
| 04:42.15 | Marklarz | wols_, kde has been using alsa for years. I only started messing with the settings to try to get this working. I assume what I'm missing is how to tell kde to send sound to the new one and not the old one |
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| 04:42.27 | tuz | hi all |
| 04:42.30 | Marklarz | jetscreamer, I have two cards |
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| 04:43.16 | jetscreamer | Marklarz: it's probably as 'easy' as telling the application to use hw:1 in stead of hw:0 or so ... that's what i have to do to get my usb headphones to work |
| 04:43.32 | jetscreamer | err 'probably' |
| 04:43.47 | wols_ | also set the volume level high with alsamixer |
| 04:44.19 | tuz | my ISP (and me as Admin :)in Munich(Germany) take debian as mysql dual master server and it's make great work |
| 04:44.41 | jetscreamer | !congratulate tuz |
| 04:44.41 | dpkg | Woohoo tuz, you did it! |
| 04:44.52 | tuz | great job |
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| 04:45.08 | Marklarz | jetscreamer, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what I have to do. but I just don't know what to put under the override. /dev/dsp1 didn't work. snd-1 didn't work |
| 04:45.16 | jetscreamer | hola quux.... |
| 04:45.49 | jetscreamer | take the old card out? |
| 04:45.50 | tuz | jetscreamer: iscsi and debian? |
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| 04:46.18 | quux | oi |
| 04:46.29 | Marklarz | it's detected under the midi section, but the regular audio section has no auto-detect drop down list. you would have to type it in yourslef |
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| 04:47.21 | tuz | dpkg: iscsi? |
| 04:47.45 | Rusty1 | Marklarz: maybe throw a knoppix into the box and see what it finds, rule out the custom kernel issue ?? |
| 04:47.51 | tuz | some howTO ? |
| 04:47.55 | jetscreamer | !iscsi |
| 04:48.00 | tuz | yes |
| 04:48.11 | wols_ | tuz: imho, too new for a debian specific howto |
| 04:48.12 | jetscreamer | !listkeys iscsi |
| 04:48.13 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'iscsi' by key returned no results. |
| 04:48.24 | wols_ | probably have to compile your own, very recent kernel |
| 04:48.26 | tuz | hm |
| 04:48.30 | jetscreamer | no idea even what it is |
| 04:48.33 | Marklarz | Rusty1, what do you mean by see what it finds? it doesn't tell me anything there, and if there's something I can look for elsewhere...well, I can just look for it here |
| 04:48.38 | tuz | i found nothing |
| 04:48.48 | Marklarz | Rusty1, you know of some place to look? |
| 04:49.08 | wols_ | tuz: grep -i iscsi /boot/config* |
| 04:49.16 | wols_ | there is some, but not much |
| 04:49.18 | tuz | wols_: tnx |
| 04:49.31 | jetscreamer | is that like that pata driver stuff? |
| 04:49.34 | tuz | wols_: i hope its works |
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| 04:49.37 | jetscreamer | the new stuff? |
| 04:49.47 | jetscreamer | pata/sata |
| 04:50.04 | tuz | we need some solution aka iscsi |
| 04:50.17 | wols_ | iscsi is scsi over tcp or such |
| 04:50.21 | tuz | yes |
| 04:50.34 | tuz | Open filer made it very nice |
| 04:50.58 | tuz | open Files = NAS linux (aka Red HAT) |
| 04:51.15 | tuz | *open Filer NAS linux (aka Red HAT) |
| 04:51.19 | tuz | heheh |
| 04:51.20 | tuz | sry |
| 04:51.29 | jetscreamer | CONFIG_PATA_SIL680 is not set ah no wonder |
| 04:51.33 | tuz | in germany is 6:50 |
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| 04:51.53 | tuz | i did not sleep 20H |
| 04:52.42 | Rusty1 | Marklarz: it is possible that between building your own kernel and directing kde to look where your sound card isn't, you've got things fusterclucked |
| 04:53.00 | jetscreamer | :o |
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| 04:53.45 | Rusty1 | Marklarz: so see what knoppix finds and apply to your install, if it does at all |
| 04:54.02 | wols_ | Marklarz: have you tried using the card in e.g. a console sound program? did that work? |
| 04:54.15 | Marklarz | Rusty1, I don't think that anyone is understanding the issue. This isn't about anything being wrong. Everything is working. The problem is my lack of knowledge about what alsa calls its devices. If I just knew what it's called, I could tell it to use it. But I don't. |
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| 04:54.29 | jetscreamer | hw:1 |
| 04:54.30 | Marklarz | aplay -l shows it right here: card 1: M2496 [M Audio Audiophile 24/96], device 0: ICE1712 multi [ICE1712 multi] |
| 04:54.31 | Marklarz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.31 | Marklarz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.32 | wols_ | Marklarz: paste you sndstat like I told you to |
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| 04:54.49 | wols_ | Marklarz: also ls -al /dev/snd |
| 04:55.01 | Rune_ | wol_; I have another question but im not sure how to phrase it... im just going to take a shot ok? |
| 04:55.09 | wols_ | sure |
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| 04:55.35 | Marklarz | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 0 2007-06-23 16:29 controlC0 |
| 04:55.35 | Marklarz | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 32 2007-06-23 16:29 controlC1 |
| 04:55.35 | Marklarz | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 4 2007-06-23 16:29 hwC0D0 |
| 04:55.36 | Marklarz | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 6 2007-06-23 16:29 hwC0D2 |
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| 04:55.49 | Rune_ | Why when i do /etc/init.d/syslogd restart do iptables --log-level 4 stop being logged? |
| 04:55.50 | Marklarz | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 24 2007-06-23 16:29 pcmC0D0c |
| 04:55.52 | Marklarz | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 16 2007-06-23 16:29 pcmC0D0p |
| 04:55.54 | Marklarz | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 25 2007-06-23 16:29 pcmC0D1c |
| 04:55.57 | Marklarz | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 26 2007-06-23 16:29 pcmC0D2c |
| 04:55.58 | Marklarz | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 18 2007-06-23 16:29 pcmC0D2p |
| 04:55.59 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 04:56.00 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 04:56.00 | Marklarz | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 19 2007-06-23 16:29 pcmC0D3p |
| 04:56.03 | Marklarz | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 56 2007-06-23 16:29 pcmC1D0c |
| 04:56.04 | tuz | wtf? |
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| 04:56.08 | Marklarz | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 48 2007-06-23 16:29 pcmC1D0p |
| 04:56.10 | Marklarz | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 1 2007-06-23 16:29 seq |
| 04:56.13 | jetscreamer | nuke him |
| 04:56.13 | Marklarz | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 33 2007-06-23 16:29 timer |
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| 04:56.23 | stew | Marklarz: stop pasting, please |
| 04:56.26 | stew | Marklarz: /msg dpkg paste |
| 04:56.30 | tuz | jetscreamer: ?? |
| 04:56.39 | Marklarz | wols_, what was the sndstat thing? |
| 04:56.47 | jetscreamer | god who changed the factoid to tell ppl the limit |
| 04:56.52 | jetscreamer | now they will use the limit |
| 04:56.54 | tuz | heheh |
| 04:57.02 | Rune_ | permission to repost question since Marklarz spoofed me off the screen |
| 04:57.12 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 04:57.12 | tuz | ppl are hehehe |
| 04:57.13 | Rune_ | +requesting |
| 04:57.14 | Marklarz | Rune_, sorry |
| 04:57.16 | jetscreamer | permision granted |
| 04:57.21 | inetd | there is no way override dependency checks in apt? |
| 04:57.21 | Rune_ | Why when i do /etc/init.d/syslogd restart do iptables --log-level 4 stop being logged? |
| 04:57.23 | wols_ | jetscreamer: certain /good? bad?) clients automatically slow down after X lines to prevent geting kicked |
| 04:57.23 | tuz | huhhh |
| 04:57.37 | jetscreamer | drop & give me 20 |
| 04:57.57 | Rune_ | then if i restart machine, iptables logging starts again |
| 04:58.10 | nvz | I've got my client set to confirm any paste more than a single line |
| 04:58.14 | Rune_ | im going to test this again on a clean install. the only thing i've done is some bind9 changes... |
| 04:58.18 | cpuobsessed | what's a good repo for nvidia drivers for etch? |
| 04:58.24 | wols_ | inetd: there are ways. state your problem. if you want to simply ignore th depenencies with ovverride why bother with a pckage system at all? |
| 04:58.27 | nvz | have to hit Ctrl+k to paste two or more lines |
| 04:58.39 | hark | inetd: well there's a curl transition afaik.. wait ( it's sid!) |
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| 04:59.30 | jetscreamer | cpuobsessed: contrib? |
| 04:59.49 | jetscreamer | cpuobsessed: sid has the 100 series |
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| 05:00.07 | jetscreamer | or will when it's finished uploading all packages |
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| 05:00.32 | jetscreamer | cpuobsessed: you may have a problem, depending on the kernel you run |
| 05:00.34 | inetd | wols_:. currently i need libcurl4-gnutls for ooffice and libcurl3-gnutls for moc (mp3 player) |
| 05:00.36 | wols_ | cpuobsessed: what nvidia card? |
| 05:00.51 | inetd | wols_: apt spits out this error when i try to do both libcurl3-gnutls: Conflicts: libcurl4-gnutls but 7.16.2-4 is to be installed |
| 05:00.58 | wols_ | inetd: you know that you use sid, right? |
| 05:01.03 | jetscreamer | inetd: i just had to pick one or the other myself |
| 05:01.11 | inetd | wols_: when i check the install files they are different names |
| 05:01.22 | inetd | wols_: yes |
| 05:01.41 | wols_ | inetd: either you know how to fix this yourself or you ignore it or your stop running sid. them are thebreaks with unstable |
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| 05:01.55 | wols_ | and I shouldn't have to tell you that |
| 05:01.57 | jetscreamer | pick one or put one on hold |
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| 05:02.23 | jetscreamer | rather the new one on hold |
| 05:02.44 | cpuobsessed | wols, GeForce4 MX420 |
| 05:03.00 | inetd | jetscreamer: what do you mean by put on hold (sorry) |
| 05:03.22 | jetscreamer | inetd: i mean put the install on hold |
| 05:03.26 | wols_ | cpuobsessed: nvidia legacy drivers |
| 05:03.29 | jetscreamer | mark it held |
| 05:03.41 | wols_ | or possibly 9631 or such |
| 05:03.46 | jetscreamer | cpuobsessed: m-a a-i nvidia-legacy iirc or so |
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| 05:03.58 | wols_ | jetscreamer: stop pointing people to sid for nvidia if you don't know what card they have please |
| 05:04.13 | jetscreamer | why |
| 05:04.14 | cpuobsessed | wols, 9631 is the one i want |
| 05:04.16 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 05:04.20 | Marklarz | well, thanks guys. In the end, I just set it to work with oss and pointed it /dev/dsp1 and now it works |
| 05:04.23 | jetscreamer | i didn't point, btw |
| 05:04.27 | wols_ | jetscreamer: you know why. stop trolling |
| 05:04.33 | cpuobsessed | but it's not showing up in synaptic |
| 05:04.37 | wols_ | cpuobsessed: why exactly that one? |
| 05:04.53 | jetscreamer | 9631 isn't in lenny iirc but i forget |
| 05:04.56 | jetscreamer | it's not in etch |
| 05:05.10 | wols_ | 9631 is in sid as legacy. why do you want exactly that one? |
| 05:05.10 | cpuobsessed | i have all three repos enabled: main contrib and non-free |
| 05:05.24 | Marklarz | I can figure out what arts calls devices some other time. for now its working |
| 05:05.33 | inetd | jetscreamer: ic what you mean now... |
| 05:05.40 | wols_ | cpuobsessed: if you use the sid one you'd have to do a sid backport. much harder than simply installing the etch driver |
| 05:05.53 | wols_ | !artsd |
| 05:05.54 | dpkg | well, artsd is the much maligned soundserver of the much maligned analog Real time synthesizer |
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| 05:06.22 | jetscreamer | you want to know what's easy? using the .run.. m-a a-i nvidia is best, but... |
| 05:07.27 | inetd | jetscreamer: if the pkg is already installed can i force it hold? |
| 05:08.02 | jetscreamer | if it's already fully installed, putting the installation on hold wouldn't do much good |
| 05:08.57 | inetd | jetscreamer: so i have to do this for new pkg then... ? |
| 05:09.15 | inetd | jetscreamer: ok let me try.. dpkg -i --force-hold pkg.deb |
| 05:09.19 | inetd | something like that right? |
| 05:09.24 | jetscreamer | inetd: iirc yes, but i'm no hold guru |
| 05:09.34 | jetscreamer | i just use the front end to do the holding |
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| 05:13.07 | jetscreamer | didn't that guy say there were no oss drivers for his second card and then said 'it works when i set it to oss' |
| 05:13.26 | wols_ | jetscreamer: alsa oss emulation |
| 05:13.44 | wols_ | !hold |
| 05:13.44 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 05:14.23 | jetscreamer | i find /msg dpkg helps with the factoid length limitation |
| 05:14.29 | jetscreamer | when you create the factoid |
| 05:15.41 | netdaemon | !suspend |
| 05:15.41 | dpkg | i heard suspend is check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!) |
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| 05:18.34 | aztec105 | hello all |
| 05:19.57 | DocPlatypus | swsusp *is* suspend2 |
| 05:20.00 | DocPlatypus | according to what I see |
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| 05:21.25 | wols_ | !uswsusp |
| 05:22.06 | wols_ | DocPlatypus: np. suspend2 needs a kernel patch |
| 05:23.39 | netdaemon | be nice if their was a package |
| 05:23.49 | netdaemon | is there one in works? |
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| 05:24.46 | Quintin | When I request a website, it is going to my first vhost, instead of to the site I want to go to. this is with apache2 |
| 05:24.50 | Quintin | wtf? :) |
| 05:25.47 | aztec105 | Quintin: Was anything removed from the apache sites_available? |
| 05:25.58 | aztec105 | or enabled ? |
| 05:26.01 | Quintin | aztec105: yes, the 00-default file |
| 05:26.08 | Quintin | aztec105: was removed from enabled |
| 05:26.17 | aztec105 | Quintin theres your answer |
| 05:26.37 | aztec105 | I made that mistake a few days ago |
| 05:27.12 | Quintin | why does debian complicate apache |
| 05:27.12 | Quintin | :\ |
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| 05:27.55 | Quintin | aztec105: ok, I put it back, it is *still* happening |
| 05:27.58 | Quintin | grr!! |
| 05:29.01 | aztec105 | Quintin: restart/reload apache and possible bind |
| 05:29.14 | Quintin | :-S |
| 05:30.00 | Quintin | Ok, now it 'sort of' works. must be a misconfiguration on my part.. |
| 05:30.20 | aztec105 | Quinto: sort of works? |
| 05:30.27 | aztec105 | sorry for the typo |
| 05:30.47 | Quintin | aztec105: yes. one site goes to right dir, other site goes to the wrong place.. |
| 05:31.02 | aztec105 | the default site ? |
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| 05:31.07 | aztec105 | or the virtual |
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| 05:31.15 | Quintin | it goes to a different vhost |
| 05:31.18 | Quintin | and the config looks right to me |
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| 05:31.45 | aztec105 | which one though the default site for the vhost goes to the wrong location? |
| 05:32.07 | aztec105 | or the vhost i mean |
| 05:32.12 | Quintin | a vhost I have set up displays the wrong vhost.. |
| 05:32.30 | aztec105 | check the directives for that vhost |
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| 05:33.00 | Quintin | they are all correct |
| 05:33.45 | Quintin | wtf, now it works. I'm sorry |
| 05:33.53 | Quintin | maybe firefox was caching something funny. hmmm |
| 05:34.02 | Quintin | restoring that default file seems to have fixed my issues |
| 05:34.22 | aztec105 | Quinton: sweet |
| 05:34.33 | Quintin | Quintin! |
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| 05:34.43 | Quintin | ever used any wiki or blogging software? |
| 05:34.58 | aztec105 | Quinton: glad to be able to provide some one help through my own mistakes LOL |
| 05:35.43 | aztec105 | now has any one used gnump3d and been able to restrict it to one vhost |
| 05:36.17 | aztec105 | arrhhh typo after typo its late :( |
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| 05:36.49 | aztec105 | my apologies for misspelling your name Quintin |
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| 05:37.51 | aztec105 | ah I should get some sleep |
| 05:37.53 | aztec105 | night all |
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| 05:38.02 | jetscreamer | no it's spelled quentin dammit! |
| 05:38.04 | Quintin | nite |
| 05:38.07 | Quintin | Quintin! |
| 05:38.08 | jetscreamer | just ask my brother |
| 05:38.09 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 05:38.10 | Quintin | one true latin spelling. |
| 05:38.11 | ice63 | night |
| 05:38.13 | Quintin | your brother is a fag. |
| 05:38.24 | jetscreamer | don't hthink so but i could be wrong |
| 05:38.36 | Quintin | :) |
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| 05:39.13 | cast | does lzma -1 work for anyone else? |
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| 05:39.23 | Rodger | hello everyone |
| 05:40.11 | Rodger | gurin: seems like you are still here? |
| 05:40.25 | jetscreamer | you could spell his name right |
| 05:40.32 | jetscreamer | but he's idle fyi afaict |
| 05:40.39 | Rodger | Guerin, sorry |
| 05:40.50 | manphiz | My "Shared Folders" doesn't work even after I installed samba. What's wrong? |
| 05:40.53 | jetscreamer | he's always 'here' |
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| 05:41.01 | Rodger | thanks jets |
| 05:41.03 | Quintin | !doesn't work |
| 05:41.03 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 05:41.11 | Quintin | manphiz: did you run smbpasswd ? |
| 05:41.14 | Rodger | aha |
| 05:41.40 | Rodger | I have a ghost installation of debian on my windows xp pc |
| 05:41.46 | manphiz | Quintin, not yet. but it seems "Shared Folders" can't detect samba's existence... |
| 05:41.58 | Quintin | manphiz: restart your WM? |
| 05:42.00 | Rodger | everything was done but the GRUB |
| 05:42.08 | Quintin | Rodger: get a grub live cd. google |
| 05:42.24 | Rodger | Quintin: thanks, let me try |
| 05:42.38 | manphiz | Quintin, I did, doesn't work |
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| 05:42.43 | Quintin | Rodger: describe for me the physical layout of your disks |
| 05:42.53 | Quintin | manphiz: ps aux | grep smbd |
| 05:43.29 | manphiz | root 2990 0.0 0.2 9740 2236 ? Ss 10:24 0:00 /usr/sbin/smbd -D |
| 05:43.29 | manphiz | root 2998 0.0 0.1 9740 924 ? S 10:24 0:00 /usr/sbin/smbd -D |
| 05:43.29 | manphiz | dxy 9798 0.0 0.0 3812 740 pts/0 R+ 13:43 0:00 grep smbd |
| 05:43.38 | inetd | deadcat__: hey you there? |
| 05:43.38 | manphiz | it's running... |
| 05:43.44 | Rodger | Quintin: I have one hard drive, windows xp on the first partion, the ghost debian on the second, and the data on the third |
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| 05:44.15 | Quintin | Rodger: rather, describe for me every disk IN THE COMPUTER |
| 05:44.39 | Quintin | manphiz: well, samba is obviously running. I'd just make the shares manually |
| 05:44.44 | Rodger | Quintin: I have only one disk, which is 200GB in size |
| 05:44.56 | Quintin | Rodger: good, that makes things simple! |
| 05:44.57 | jetscreamer | how many platters... :) |
| 05:45.16 | jetscreamer | what color is it |
| 05:45.27 | Rodger | Quintin: I didn't find a grub live cd from google |
| 05:45.33 | jetscreamer | what alloys are used |
| 05:45.40 | jetscreamer | kanotix uses grub on it's cd's |
| 05:45.41 | Quintin | Rodger: how fast is your internet? |
| 05:46.00 | manphiz | Quintin, that's weird... Manually configure samba should work, but "Shared Folders" are dumb right now... Thanks for the info anyway :) |
| 05:46.02 | Rodger | Quintin: it should be descent, it is cable |
| 05:46.04 | TRaK | hello everyone, simple question : how do I change(lower) the graphics settings at boot? Whenever the gui loadds all i get is a strange screen with flashing colors. |
| 05:46.06 | metbsd | grub sux |
| 05:46.17 | jetscreamer | TRaK: livecd? |
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| 05:46.20 | TRaK | no |
| 05:46.25 | Quintin | TRaK: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 05:46.39 | jetscreamer | !tell TRaK -about hwinfo |
| 05:46.41 | Quintin | Rodger: Get a torrent download for ubuntu |
| 05:47.13 | jetscreamer | and make sure you're using the correct xorg vid driver |
| 05:47.13 | Rodger | Quintin: so you are talking about the ubuntu live cd? |
| 05:47.15 | cast | Quintin: i discovered yesterday the ubuntu 7 livedvd sucks, how can one omit sshd? |
| 05:47.45 | Quintin | Rodger: yes |
| 05:47.48 | TRaK | thanks you :) |
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| 05:48.57 | Quintin | Rodger: http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent |
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| 05:49.04 | Quintin | Rodger: utorrent if you're gonna download that on win |
| 05:49.13 | Quintin | Rodger: takes me about 18m or so to get it :D |
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| 05:57.08 | Rodger | Quintin: thanks, but for some reason my bitcomet is not running very fast |
| 05:57.31 | Rodger | my ftp is running at about 1M/sec |
| 05:57.31 | Quintin | Rodger: utorrent! you could also try regular http download from ubuntu.com |
| 05:57.54 | cast | what is the point in grabbing a ubuntu cd? |
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| 05:58.20 | Rodger | cast: well it seems that it can install grub for me |
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| 05:59.18 | cast | just seems really weird to me :\ |
| 05:59.45 | Rodger | cast: do you have any other easy way to install grub? |
| 06:00.17 | Rodger | I was telling Quintin that I have a Windows XP pc with a ghost debian partition |
| 06:00.36 | Rodger | I can boot into my debian if I don't have grub/ or lilo |
| 06:00.54 | cast | ahh quintin isn't wrong. i'm just cringing at ubuntu and downloading a 700mb iso to run chroot; grub-install with ^_^ |
| 06:01.26 | Rodger | well, it is fast anyway |
| 06:01.36 | Rodger | I mean compare to doing nothing |
| 06:02.01 | streuner | http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover?highlight=%28grub%29 |
| 06:03.10 | cast | 'For example, boot with Debian installation CD and hit ctrl+alt+F2.' thats more like it :) |
| 06:04.33 | Rodger | hmm, this may work |
| 06:04.44 | Rodger | let me try |
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| 06:08.29 | chemaja | i love how xfce4 is so similar to Gnome -- integrates really well |
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| 06:08.34 | chemaja | kudos |
| 06:08.57 | jetscreamer | chroot + grub-install doesn't always work |
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| 06:10.08 | jetscreamer | grub shell + boot manually does |
| 06:10.23 | jetscreamer | usually |
| 06:10.24 | cast | i've found that if the systems are different archs [32bit livecd, 64bit installed os] then you need to specify the root dir as chroot no worky |
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| 06:11.09 | cast | chemaja: shouldn't you be telling #xfce<4> that? |
| 06:11.28 | chemaja | cast, i depends if you think Debian's xfce team is worthless or not |
| 06:12.07 | cast | i think they're liable to be in the xfce channel too :) along with the people who actually wrote xfce |
| 06:12.25 | Rodger | guys, I can't mount |
| 06:12.39 | Rodger | it says it is not a valid argument |
| 06:12.46 | chemaja | Rodger, pastebin |
| 06:12.51 | cast | so what did you type Rodger |
| 06:13.11 | Rodger | mount /dev/hda5 /mydebian |
| 06:13.22 | cast | chemaja: if hes in the debian install cd pasting would be tricky |
| 06:13.23 | Rodger | and mkdir /mydebian before that |
| 06:13.47 | chemaja | cast, let's wager on it |
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| 06:14.18 | Rodger | I know it is a ext3 |
| 06:15.04 | cast | Rodger: so ls /dev/hda5 /mydebian works fine? |
| 06:15.28 | Rodger | cast: no, I can't ls /dev/hda5 |
| 06:15.48 | cast | fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 06:15.57 | Rodger | cast: actually I could, but there is nothing |
| 06:16.26 | chemaja | Rodger, what does mount|head -n1 say |
| 06:17.42 | Rodger | n1? |
| 06:17.47 | Rodger | it says no n1 found |
| 06:17.52 | chemaja | ie. line 1 of mount output |
| 06:17.54 | chemaja | mount | head -n1 |
| 06:18.12 | Rodger | my bad |
| 06:19.01 | Rodger | "non on proc type /proc type proc (rw)" |
| 06:19.06 | Rodger | "none on proc type /proc type proc (rw)" |
| 06:19.34 | Rodger | "none on /proc type proc (rw)" |
| 06:19.45 | chemaja | that's line 1? i doubt it |
| 06:21.49 | jetscreamer | that's the proc line |
| 06:21.59 | jetscreamer | usually it's first isn't it |
| 06:22.12 | jetscreamer | ok 3rd here |
| 06:22.39 | jetscreamer | first in fstab |
| 06:23.21 | Rodger | I was swithing my kvm |
| 06:23.48 | Rodger | took me three times to get it right, :-) |
| 06:24.11 | Rodger | cast: no fdisk |
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| 06:26.03 | Rodger | chemaja: it seems to be line 1 of the output from "mount | head" without the -n1 switch |
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| 06:27.27 | Rodger | now I've got my ubuntu live cd, I will give it another try |
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| 06:29.35 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 06:41.18 | GreaseMonkey | afk food |
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| 06:48.03 | zophy_ | is there a debian package for webmin or something similar ? |
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| 06:48.48 | Rodger | now I can mount |
| 06:49.00 | Rodger | but still can't do grub-install |
| 06:49.22 | Rodger | because /boot/grub/stage1 do not read correctly |
| 06:49.55 | Rodger | hello everyone |
| 06:50.50 | Rodger | what is happening? |
| 06:50.50 | jetscreamer | !webmin |
| 06:50.50 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
| 06:51.21 | jetscreamer | Rodger: try mounting /proc from within the chroot ... might work, might not |
| 06:51.39 | Rodger | within the chroot? |
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| 06:51.51 | jetscreamer | are you the chroot dude? |
| 06:52.04 | jetscreamer | trying to instal grub on an installation that won't boot? |
| 06:52.07 | Rodger | no idea what chroot is |
| 06:52.12 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 06:52.24 | Rodger | yes, I did |
| 06:52.40 | Rodger | I did chroot /mydebian after I mount my debian on /mydebian |
| 06:53.11 | Rodger | then tried to run grub-install only get it to fail saying stage1 couldn't read |
| 06:53.15 | nevyn | !puppet |
| 06:53.21 | jetscreamer | try mount /proc |
| 06:53.38 | jetscreamer | nevyn: it's fun to cut the strings and watch |
| 06:54.13 | nevyn | jetscreamer: if you remove the puppetmaster it just uses a cached manifest |
| 06:54.15 | jetscreamer | Rodger: but you'll probably need to use the grubshell to install |
| 06:54.35 | jetscreamer | that, or use grubshell to boot your installation and work from there |
| 06:54.43 | jetscreamer | but |
| 06:54.52 | jetscreamer | it's an image eh, not a partition? |
| 06:55.17 | jetscreamer | sounds like a strenuous hack to get going |
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| 06:55.37 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 06:55.46 | jetscreamer | is it like an iso? |
| 06:55.47 | nevyn | jetscreamer: http://puppet.reductivelabs.com/ |
| 06:56.25 | jetscreamer | kanotix can run from an iso image that is on an ntfs partition iirc... see how they do it and copy their methods maybe |
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| 07:02.18 | Aviel | hey |
| 07:02.24 | Aviel | some 1 can help? |
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| 07:02.37 | nenolod | hello |
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| 07:08.07 | cast | !tell Aviel about ask |
| 07:09.21 | piper69 | what is the best irc client recommanded |
| 07:10.07 | cast | irssi imho |
| 07:11.27 | cahoot | best at what? |
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| 07:13.32 | Rodger | jetscreamer: it seems that my stage1 has something wrong and can't be read |
| 07:14.08 | Rodger | jetscreamer: even after I do mount /proc |
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| 07:15.06 | cast | got a floppy driver Rodger? |
| 07:15.23 | Rodger | yes |
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| 07:15.30 | Rodger | yes cast |
| 07:15.36 | cast | use grub-floppy and do a manual boot |
| 07:15.38 | Rodger | but I don't have a floppy disk |
| 07:15.44 | cast | hah. |
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| 07:16.39 | Rodger | I will just redo the installation |
| 07:17.06 | Rodger | but I still don't know why grub can't be installed the first time |
| 07:18.02 | cast | mmm :\ |
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| 07:20.05 | inetd | anyone here use moc (music on console?) http://moc.daper.net |
| 07:20.10 | inetd | im having some trouble with network streaming |
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| 07:20.56 | samesame | does etch support .21 kernels? |
| 07:22.01 | cast | nope |
| 07:22.09 | cast | etch currently has 2.8.18 |
| 07:22.12 | peasse | !ask |
| 07:22.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:22.35 | himmelstrutz12 | Suddenly xfwm4 starts with out a program launcher -- why oh why, no icons either, -- wtf? |
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| 07:23.02 | cast | you can install .21 if you want, but it is not apart of etch so i can't really say its 'supported' |
| 07:23.16 | samesame | <cast> etch currently has 2.8.18 <- u mean 2.6.18 ? |
| 07:23.22 | samesame | ok |
| 07:23.27 | maxamillion | himmelstrutz12: well, icons aren't controled by xfwm4 .... so i think your problem is with xfdesktop |
| 07:23.29 | cast | yes. typo :) lagged ssh con |
| 07:24.32 | himmelstrutz12 | max: thanks a billion. I've just apt-get installed it. hope it'll do the trick. |
| 07:24.49 | Quintin | Rodger: get your stuff fixed? |
| 07:25.13 | Quintin | Rodger: ok, you didn't |
| 07:25.21 | Quintin | Rodger: you there? |
| 07:25.45 | maxamillion | himmelstrutz12: you should install xfce4 ... its a meta package that should pull in all the core xfce packages you need |
| 07:25.49 | maxamillion | bleh ... nvm |
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| 07:27.20 | Azar | http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS9666856083.html << good point, better later than never |
| 07:27.46 | Azar | honorables, how is your day/night going? |
| 07:27.52 | himmelstrutz22 | max: back again. it worked like a charm, of course. the thing is: I think I prefer the display without the icons, but with the program launcher; is there any simple way getting rid of the icons, but keeping the p-l? |
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| 07:29.10 | maxamillion | himmelstrutz12: you should install xfce4 ... its a meta package that should pull in all the core xfce packages you need |
| 07:29.48 | Rodger | Quintin: yeah, I am still here |
| 07:29.53 | maxamillion | himmelstrutz22: yes, go into the settings manager and there is a section called "desktop" in there, select the second tab and you can choose which icons are shown |
| 07:29.57 | Rodger | I am reinstalling it |
| 07:30.04 | Rodger | and see if I get better luck this time |
| 07:30.19 | Rodger | I don't know why grub is not working this time |
| 07:30.26 | Rodger | it was perfect before |
| 07:30.31 | himmelstrutz22 | max: thanks helping a handicapped. |
| 07:30.36 | Rodger | I installed it several times without any problem |
| 07:30.48 | Rodger | I mean along with debian |
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| 07:31.40 | maxamillion | himmelstrutz22: no worries |
| 07:31.43 | maxamillion | himmelstrutz22: anytime |
| 07:33.19 | himmelstrutz22 | god damn, I've been using xfce4 before and liked it, but right now I am so utterly tired of gnome/kde that I would like to have hot sex with this window manager for being so clean, and good looking. |
| 07:34.14 | cahoot | for sex? |
| 07:34.17 | maxamillion | himmelstrutz22: uhmmm... ok, but yes xfce4 is very nice |
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| 07:34.31 | Quintin | how the hell do you launch a program in e? |
| 07:34.34 | Quintin | I c ould never figure that out |
| 07:34.37 | himmelstrutz22 | I haven't used enlightement for years -- maybe I should see what have been happening........... |
| 07:34.52 | maxamillion | cast: you give me an e17 stable build and i will use it ... otherwise, ask someone in the e camp to stop re-writing the entire code base |
| 07:35.11 | maxamillion | himmelstrutz22: well you will probably have to wait another 10 years for e17 to go stable, so don't bother just yet |
| 07:35.23 | cast | Quintin: hotkeys, desktop menus |
| 07:35.45 | cast | maxamillion: e17 is quite usable atm :) |
| 07:35.58 | maxamillion | Quintin: right click anywhere on the screen ... a menu drops down, just like in *box |
| 07:36.13 | Quintin | yea, I right click |
| 07:36.15 | stoffell | anyone familiar with loopback devices? if i use /dev/loop/0, there is no /dev/loop/1, i thought it would be created then to allow using more then 1 loopback device? |
| 07:36.16 | cast | left click will drop down your user menus, too |
| 07:36.19 | Quintin | it's not an application menu though |
| 07:36.23 | maxamillion | cast: i tried e17 about 2 months ago and it crashed miserably at login |
| 07:36.34 | cast | Quintin: oh, middle click he means |
| 07:37.02 | cast | right click is just settings, middle should have the Debian menu on it and left user menu |
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| 07:37.09 | maxamillion | Quintin: uhmm... yes it is, maybe you just hadn't installed the 'menu' package that creates the debian menu |
| 07:37.53 | cast | maxamillion: hmm. i can't say i experience that at all, amd64 etch here |
| 07:38.11 | Quintin | never got that |
| 07:38.12 | Quintin | maybe |
| 07:38.17 | Quintin | but that should be a dep in that case |
| 07:38.25 | cast | no it shouldn't |
| 07:38.38 | cast | it should be a recommended perhaps |
| 07:38.42 | Azar | hahahahaha.. good one! |
| 07:39.00 | maxamillion | cast: amd64 etch on my home machine as well (this is my laptop from work, 32-bit xubuntu on this thing) |
| 07:39.09 | Azar | http://tech.cybernetnews.com/2007/06/22/why-ubuntu-was-on-the-windows-marketplace/ |
| 07:39.13 | cast | Recommends: esound, menu <-- and it is! |
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| 07:40.43 | Azar | mister cydork!! hi :) |
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| 07:41.01 | cydork | Azar: Hello :) |
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| 07:45.10 | Rodger | I am re-installing debian |
| 07:45.30 | Rodger | the error is the same: grub/stage1 can not be read correctly |
| 07:45.42 | Rodger | does this have anything to do with ext3? |
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| 07:46.05 | cast | scary shit! ext3 should work fine, dunno if norton ghost is guilty of anything here |
| 07:46.18 | cast | is your windows bootloader still there? |
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| 07:47.03 | Rodger | well, I have windows xp installed |
| 07:47.10 | Rodger | on the first partition |
| 07:47.18 | cast | could use that to boot debian |
| 07:47.20 | Quintin | Rodger: wait a minute |
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| 07:47.27 | maxamillion | cast: norton ghost will screw up linux partitions if you try to image them |
| 07:47.27 | Quintin | Rodger: don't reinstall, that's totally brain-damaged. |
| 07:47.33 | SuMarD1 | hi. how to disable monitor sleep in X? |
| 07:47.42 | Rodger | well, it is the same error I see |
| 07:47.51 | Quintin | SuMarD1: delete the line with "DPMS" from the "Monitor" section of xorg.conf |
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| 07:47.53 | Rodger | yeah, I just damaged my brain |
| 07:47.57 | Quintin | Rodger: obviously |
| 07:48.08 | Quintin | Rodger: ok, quit the installer when you get to bootloader. then boot from ubuntu cd |
| 07:48.22 | cast | maxamillion: never used it before, thanks for the reason not to :) |
| 07:48.25 | Rodger | then do that grub-install? |
| 07:48.29 | Azar | norton is a pile of crap, remove it and use a decent a/v |
| 07:48.31 | Quintin | Rodger: yes |
| 07:48.51 | cast | Azar: a/v. why do people use those anyway? (: |
| 07:48.57 | SuMarD1 | Quintin: thanks. do u know how to change x-window font size? |
| 07:49.09 | Azar | cast: because is a must pay tax for windows |
| 07:49.51 | Rodger | that will give me the same error |
| 07:49.54 | Azar | if you want/need to use an a/v for windows use TrendMicro... is non-invasive-restrictive |
| 07:50.05 | Quintin | Rodger: have you done it? |
| 07:50.10 | Azar | guess what norton will refuse to be removed :) |
| 07:50.11 | nevyn | cast: otherwise hackers is in your computers sending viagra mailz |
| 07:50.23 | Rodger | I tried using debian rescue mode |
| 07:50.34 | Rodger | to install grub-installer |
| 07:50.35 | Quintin | Rodger: ... |
| 07:50.35 | maxamillion | cast: yeah, i thought i was doing something wrong for quite some time when trying to image fresh installations over to different servers at work ... turns out norton has horrible support for linux partitions (though i don't know how ... i thought it just copied bit by bit, but i was apparently wrong) |
| 07:50.41 | Rodger | and it just get me the same thing Quintin |
| 07:50.48 | Quintin | Rodger: Ok, I get paid like stupid amounts of money to do this shit. |
| 07:50.51 | Rodger | says "stage1 can not read" |
| 07:50.57 | Quintin | Rodger: but *don't* listen to me. |
| 07:51.43 | Rodger | under /boot/grub |
| 07:51.48 | Rodger | I see stage1 |
| 07:51.58 | Rodger | and ex2fs_stage1_5 |
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| 07:52.06 | Rodger | but no ex3fs_stage1 |
| 07:52.07 | Azar | people listen: norton and mcafee are the biggest scammers I ever seen.... they are only selling you false hopes of security |
| 07:52.17 | Rodger | is that a problem, Quintin? |
| 07:52.46 | Quintin | Rodger: finish the installer, then boot from the ubuntu disc into singel user mode. to get there, press f6, then delete 'splash' and 'quiet' and apend 'single'. tell me when you do this |
| 07:53.29 | cast | maxamillion: what did you fall back to to when it became evident that ghost sucked? |
| 07:54.09 | Rodger | Quintin: can you explain why a live cd would help the bad "stage1" issue? |
| 07:54.36 | Rodger | do you think there is a good "stage1" on the live cd? |
| 07:54.42 | Quintin | Rodger: no I can't. but it most likely will. I had this same problem several days ago. |
| 07:55.05 | Rodger | wow |
| 07:55.10 | Rodger | I am not alone finally |
| 07:55.24 | cast | Quintin: how did you cause it? |
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| 07:55.41 | Quintin | cast: cause what? I didn't do it! |
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| 07:55.59 | cast | uh, how did they cause it then |
| 07:56.06 | maxamillion | cast: manually installing by hand for each machine.... i did however consider trying out opensuse because of their yast-cast thingy, but i couldn't bring myself to go away from old faithful |
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| 07:56.39 | Quintin | cast: not sure what you mean |
| 07:57.00 | Quintin | cast: the grub issue? I don't know, really. I've seen it several times with etch though |
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| 07:57.35 | cast | ahh. |
| 07:57.56 | Quintin | I thought at first it was cause I was using XFS, but it has happened when I only used ext3 too |
| 07:58.04 | Quintin | Rodger: booted ubuntu yet? |
| 07:58.38 | Rodger | Quintin: I googling around |
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| 07:58.58 | Rodger | I have the iso, but counldn't write it on this pc because I don't have a writer |
| 07:58.59 | Quintin | hurry it up, I want to fix this and go to bed :p |
| 07:59.07 | Quintin | Rodger: do you have a PC on the network with a writer? |
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| 07:59.16 | xerophyte | for long file name which is good _ or - ? |
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| 07:59.30 | Rodger | yes, but sending this 700MBit over there with wireless is taking 30m |
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| 07:59.37 | cast | xerophyte: whichever you like more |
| 07:59.51 | xerophyte | cast, just wondering which will be good |
| 07:59.56 | Quintin | xerophyte: whatever you want. - is quicker to type |
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| 08:00.41 | xerophyte | Quintin, which is good to read |
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| 08:01.18 | Quintin | xerophyte: _ is easier to read. " " is easiest |
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| 08:01.51 | xerophyte | Quintin, thx |
| 08:02.05 | cast | " " is most annoying however :\ |
| 08:03.00 | Rodger | It seems that this "stage1 not read correctly" thing is everywhere |
| 08:03.02 | Quintin | cast: why? |
| 08:03.04 | Rodger | what is wrong? |
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| 08:03.14 | Quintin | your mom is everywhere. |
| 08:03.16 | Quintin | dunno |
| 08:03.29 | Rodger | Quintin: don't be mean |
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| 08:04.16 | cast | Quintin: its harder to type than -,since you have to delimit he space |
| 08:04.21 | cast | the space* |
| 08:04.31 | Quintin | cast: tab autocomplete fixes it |
| 08:04.42 | cast | sometimes |
| 08:04.42 | Azar | ok anyone knows what up with tarzeau? |
| 08:04.55 | xerophyte | $ rename 's/ //' * that will stripe the space .. what if i have 2 space ? |
| 08:05.11 | cast | xerophyte: don't strip them, replace them with _ |
| 08:05.12 | geo-rge | stage1 would be the boot sector |
| 08:05.27 | geo-rge | if it's grub' |
| 08:05.31 | geo-rge | s stage1 |
| 08:05.31 | xerophyte | cast how can i replace 2 space with _ |
| 08:05.56 | geo-rge | backspace twice... type _ |
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| 08:06.24 | xerophyte | cast ? |
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| 08:06.42 | cast | xerophyte: let me test... |
| 08:07.05 | geo-rge | cast: you think he should replace every one space with one _? |
| 08:07.11 | cast | rename 's/ /_/g' * |
| 08:07.24 | xerophyte | thx |
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| 08:08.00 | xerophyte | cast :) lol |
| 08:08.06 | cast | geo-rge: i don't even know what hes doing, but imho spaces are there to denote something, replacing them with _ is the most subtle way to get rid of them without losing information |
| 08:08.19 | xerophyte | cast, M_a_n_a_g_i_n_g_._S_e_c_u_r_i_t_y_._w_i_t_h_._S_n_o_r_t |
| 08:08.25 | Rodger | hello everyone, finally it works |
| 08:08.31 | Rodger | but not grub, it is lilo |
| 08:08.41 | cast | xerophyte: who the hell puts spaces between letters? |
| 08:08.43 | Rodger | I think there is something wrong with grub |
| 08:08.53 | Rodger | on this 31r4 release |
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| 08:09.23 | Azar | ahem, lilo rocks |
| 08:09.50 | geo-rge | lilo RIP |
| 08:09.59 | cast | Azar: shame it can't do alot of things ;) |
| 08:10.01 | Azar | :( nope lilo rocks |
| 08:10.19 | Azar | well I guess I will be one of the few left to use lilo |
| 08:10.32 | Azar | I ain't going to grub |
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| 08:10.53 | cast | or ever to xen it would appear |
| 08:10.54 | Enverex | I used Lilo when I first used Linux because that's what everything seemed to recommend, now everone says Grub |
| 08:11.18 | Azar | I go with my feelings not with what other say.. |
| 08:12.04 | Azar | lilo is not deprecated, broken.. or something like that, still well alive and kicking ass |
| 08:12.05 | cahoot | emotional computing - nice |
| 08:12.22 | Azar | you know the say: if it ain't broken don't change it |
| 08:12.28 | cast | xoxAzarxox |
| 08:12.44 | xerophyte | cast if i have +filename how can i remove the + ? |
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| 08:12.59 | cast | xerophyte: reaplce the + with nothing? |
| 08:13.05 | xerophyte | cast yes |
| 08:13.09 | cast | xerophyte: mv +filename filename? |
| 08:13.10 | Azar | I would understand if one could see the lilo or grub on the desktop, in some cube form with radiant colors, hey there is a reason to show off |
| 08:13.18 | Rodger | hey, I don't seem to have installed shutdown |
| 08:13.25 | Rodger | how do I reboot? |
| 08:13.27 | xerophyte | cast i have many file like that |
| 08:13.42 | Quintin | Rodger: reboot |
| 08:13.53 | cahoot | Rodger, not even /sbin/shutdown? |
| 08:13.53 | Rodger | doesn't seem to have that either |
| 08:14.00 | Rodger | let me try that one |
| 08:14.13 | Quintin | Rodger: You have to be root. those are in /sbin, which is not in a users $PATH |
| 08:14.15 | Quintin | Rodger: echo $PATH |
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| 08:15.11 | Quintin | Rodger: there is also the oldskool init 6 |
| 08:15.16 | Quintin | Rodger: can lilo boot your windows? |
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| 08:15.47 | Rodger | thanks, I think it is the path thing |
| 08:15.54 | Rodger | I have /sbin/reboot |
| 08:16.11 | Rodger | Quintin: no, it won't get my windows, run into windows straight |
| 08:16.16 | Rodger | I just found that out |
| 08:16.28 | Quintin | Rodger: run into windows straight? wtf? |
| 08:16.28 | Rodger | and I installed it on the MBR apparently |
| 08:16.32 | Quintin | Rodger: yea that's why you use grub :p |
| 08:16.34 | Rodger | sorry, linux |
| 08:17.06 | Rodger | I guess now I have to get lilo to know there is a windows around |
| 08:18.10 | Rodger | well, grub works before, but not this time |
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| 08:21.25 | Azar | ever thought to remove windows permanently and put Debian instead? just plain Debian.. |
| 08:21.53 | Rodger | omg, I think I should have install lilo on my debian partition rather than the mbr |
| 08:21.56 | Azar | well Debian + packages |
| 08:22.23 | xerophyte | rename '/s^\+//' * why this is not working ? |
| 08:22.23 | xerophyte | Unknown option: l |
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| 08:23.15 | Rodger | well, then I wouldn't be having this much fun today |
| 08:23.23 | cast | because the shell is expending the * |
| 08:23.29 | cast | expanding, sorry |
| 08:23.31 | Rodger | my whole point is to make both windows and debian happy |
| 08:23.49 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.55 | tralala | Rodger, what's the status of your computer now? |
| 08:24.20 | Rodger | well, I have lilo installed on my MBR, |
| 08:24.25 | xerophyte | cast, can you explain more it worked |
| 08:24.36 | Rodger | and now it just boot into debian directly |
| 08:24.53 | tralala | Rodger, so grub won't work? |
| 08:25.11 | Rodger | grub keep telling me that "stage1 don't read correctly" |
| 08:25.34 | tralala | Rodger, hmm. Did you use ext3? |
| 08:25.35 | Rodger | that is why it fail every time |
| 08:25.39 | Rodger | yes, I did |
| 08:25.45 | Rodger | so it is ext3? |
| 08:25.48 | Azar | so what windows think about that? |
| 08:25.57 | tralala | Rodger, no, ext3 is fine |
| 08:26.04 | cast | xerophyte: the + in each filename was getting interpreted as an option to rename, -- at the end simply made rename treat everything after the -- as filenames |
| 08:26.06 | Rodger | ok then |
| 08:26.13 | tralala | Rodger, you'll have to configure your lilo manually |
| 08:26.23 | Rodger | do you have a link? |
| 08:26.40 | Azar | tralala: to configure lilo to do what? tralala? |
| 08:26.45 | xerophyte | thx |
| 08:26.52 | Rodger | I google up an article saying I should have put lilo on my debian partition |
| 08:26.53 | tralala | not really, but man lilo.conf should have some exmples. Check /usr/share/doc/lilo as well |
| 08:27.00 | xerophyte | where can i find the reference to -- > |
| 08:27.02 | xerophyte | ? |
| 08:27.06 | Rodger | ok |
| 08:27.22 | tralala | Azar, to add his windows in the boot list |
| 08:27.31 | Azar | ahhhh... oh yes |
| 08:28.21 | Azar | xerophyte: learning about files and filesystems? |
| 08:29.00 | xerophyte | Azar, nope learning to rename ;) |
| 08:29.42 | Azar | xerophyte: yeah, same thing... here is a good interactive doc: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html |
| 08:29.53 | tralala | xerophyte, "rename" is great for renaming |
| 08:30.02 | Azar | tralala: mv ? |
| 08:30.21 | xerophyte | yes |
| 08:30.23 | tralala | Azar, rename |
| 08:30.39 | Azar | tralala: never used rename,.. did not know it exist |
| 08:30.49 | xerophyte | cast what if you have file'name how can i replace with rename 's/\'//g' * that didnt' work |
| 08:31.05 | tralala | Azar, it's used for renaming multiple files at once - uses regexp |
| 08:31.17 | Azar | ahhh I see |
| 08:31.31 | tralala | xerophyte, use "s/'//g" |
| 08:31.48 | cast | rename "s/'//g" *..hey the lag made me lose :( |
| 08:31.49 | xerophyte | thx |
| 08:31.49 | Azar | aha, the quotes |
| 08:32.06 | tralala | cast, don't blame it on the lag! |
| 08:32.08 | tralala | !lose cast |
| 08:32.08 | dpkg | cast: You Lose. |
| 08:32.21 | cast | i'm on dialup sshing to america :( |
| 08:32.31 | Azar | ouch what a pain |
| 08:32.37 | Rodger | tralala: I looked at my lilo.conf |
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| 08:32.46 | Rodger | there is "other" |
| 08:32.54 | Rodger | whis is set to /dev/hda1 |
| 08:32.58 | Rodger | as windows |
| 08:33.00 | ma3x | if you install debian on computers on a network in school, should you pay license or something? |
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| 08:33.17 | tralala | Rodger, try to type windows in the boot prompt then |
| 08:33.22 | Rodger | but why isn't there menu showing up |
| 08:33.30 | cast | ma3x: definitely not. but maybe they should donate, and pay for support |
| 08:33.31 | mike | Does pidgin replace gaim? |
| 08:33.32 | Rodger | well, I didn't see the windows prompt |
| 08:33.34 | Azar | ma3x: no but oughta read the GPL licence requirements |
| 08:33.43 | tralala | Rodger, the *boot* prompt |
| 08:33.45 | cast | mike: it is the same thing, but with a new name |
| 08:33.53 | Rodger | oh |
| 08:34.02 | mike | cast: cheers |
| 08:34.16 | ma3x | cast, can you point me an example when should I pay for it? cases in which its mandatory |
| 08:34.47 | cast | ma3x: if you wanted to get a boxed copy of debian, you would have to pay |
| 08:35.12 | cast | ma3x: the software itself is at no cost, but vendors will charge you for the materials invovled in a boxed set |
| 08:35.14 | Azar | and possibly the boxed copy would include documentation |
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| 08:35.51 | xerophyte | cast i run this rename "s/\./_/g" * that change the extension . to _ how can i change the _xxx to .ext ? |
| 08:36.12 | xerophyte | cast all in end of the filename ($) |
| 08:36.21 | Azar | ma3x: also if the vendor will come to install, and custom configure it.. |
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| 08:36.45 | ma3x | Azar, you mean like official debian guys? |
| 08:37.22 | Azar | ma3x: no a vendor: a company who officially provide the OS altogether with installation and (possible) maintenance |
| 08:37.42 | Azar | ma3x: say for example... HP |
| 08:37.44 | ma3x | Azar, that's available maybe not in most of the european countries |
| 08:38.03 | cafuego | xerophyte: change "_([[:alnum:]]{3})" to ".$1" ? |
| 08:38.10 | Azar | bah I live in US dunno what european countries do |
| 08:38.11 | cafuego | sorry |
| 08:38.17 | cafuego | "_([[:alnum:]]{3})$" |
| 08:39.04 | Azar | ma3x: for example say you are the IT of the school, you can download, and install Debian for free but then the school will have to pay you if you are not a volunteer |
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| 08:39.36 | Azar | bah what did I just said.. |
| 08:39.38 | Azar | :) |
| 08:39.44 | ma3x | Azar, is there a company that already offers debian preinstalled systems? |
| 08:40.04 | Rodger | tralala: still no boot prompt |
| 08:40.21 | Azar | ma3x: might be... it is not widely advertised tho |
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| 08:40.33 | wols_ | ma3x: it won't be cost effective if you can find such a service |
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| 08:40.57 | wols_ | it costs a lot more to buy a linux preinstalled computer since only small shops do it, especially on notebooks |
| 08:41.32 | ma3x | wols_, but today you almost can't buy systems without windows (except for dell now) |
| 08:41.40 | cahoot | wonder where this is leading |
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| 08:42.09 | cafuego | ma3x: it's quite easy to buy a mac without windows. |
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| 08:42.39 | tralala | Rodger, there's an option to delay boot which is probably set to 0 in your lilo.conf. Use 10 or so. I think it's called timeout but you'll need to check |
| 08:42.42 | wols_ | ma3x: yes I know. best thing is to get one without "revocery disk" but real OEM and sell it on ebay |
| 08:42.53 | ma3x | cafuego, does that make sense? to buy mac and install debian? won't it be cheaper to buy pc and install deb |
| 08:43.03 | wols_ | cafuego: again, not cost effective |
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| 08:43.21 | Azar | well, tigerdirect does have some barebone kits.. |
| 08:43.24 | ma3x | wols_, what's your choice (if not dell)? |
| 08:43.35 | cafuego | ma3x: Not really no. |
| 08:43.40 | wols_ | I build my own. don't have a new laptop now |
| 08:43.49 | cafuego | ma3x: If you want debian, buy components and plug them together. Way cheaper,. |
| 08:43.53 | wols_ | ma3x: are we takjing desktops or notebooks? |
| 08:44.07 | wols_ | *talking |
| 08:44.14 | cafuego | Better quality too (speaking of Dell tripe) |
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| 08:44.29 | Azar | yeah you can buy older PCs and use Debian on them |
| 08:44.48 | ma3x | wols_, of course desktops. you can't put up together a laptop and pay less |
| 08:45.09 | Azar | three of my boxes are 3 to 5 year olds... and run with Debian perfectly |
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| 08:45.39 | Rodger | tralala: it turns out I need to hit "alt" |
| 08:45.45 | Rodger | also I set that to 200 |
| 08:45.51 | wols_ | then it's easy to buy quality parts and keep up with big box rtail prices |
| 08:45.53 | Rodger | haha, it is rocking...... |
| 08:46.02 | cafuego | saschahl should stop using a broken irc client |
| 08:46.03 | tralala | Rodger, 200 is way to much |
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| 08:46.10 | cafuego | saschahl: you should stop using a broken irc client |
| 08:46.10 | Rodger | yeah, I am slow |
| 08:46.14 | wols_ | also there is much less risk to get something that doesn't work in debian |
| 08:46.20 | Rodger | thanks everyone |
| 08:46.23 | Rodger | thanks tralala |
| 08:46.33 | tralala | Rodger, you can surely type "windows" in less than 3 minutes! |
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| 08:46.36 | ma3x | wols_, you can't buy parts and put together a laptop - nobody does that |
| 08:46.39 | tralala | Rodger, you're welcome |
| 08:46.39 | Rodger | I finally get my debian box to work with my windows |
| 08:46.58 | wols_ | ma3x: to a degree you can. again: not very cost effective |
| 08:47.00 | Azar | gah you don't know wols.. he can anything he wants |
| 08:47.00 | Rodger | lilo is not that bad |
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| 08:47.25 | Rodger | after I hit "alt" it pops up a menu for me to choose |
| 08:47.43 | Azar | Rodger: lilo is not so hard to work with.... I only look at it when I change the kernels |
| 08:47.46 | wols_ | Azar: I wouldn't do it, but there are some places which let you "assemble" your laptop. and you can buy ram, cpus, disks, etc on the open market |
| 08:47.46 | Rodger | between linux and windows |
| 08:47.48 | tralala | grub's better but if it's not working you don't have too many other options |
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| 08:48.07 | wols_ | tralala: that rarely happens tho |
| 08:48.08 | Rodger | Now I can happily go to sleep |
| 08:48.17 | ma3x | wols_, sounds good - but you can't get under $400 |
| 08:48.19 | Rodger | see you all tomorrow (today) morning |
| 08:48.33 | wols_ | ma3x: no. as I told you: not cost effective |
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| 08:49.06 | Azar | I never had a notebook/laptop and I never wanted one... they look so fragile... like toys for teenagers |
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| 08:49.08 | tralala | wols_, indeed - I've not seen any problems with any of the machines I've used but Rodger apparently has managed to found a pc that's not working with grub |
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| 08:49.50 | tralala | Azar, if you're a 120kg I can see your point |
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| 08:50.11 | Azar | kg huh? I can see you talk euro |
| 08:50.28 | tralala | Azar, man units ;) |
| 08:50.29 | wols_ | tralala: grub is a bitch to install sometimes. e.g. the /dev/root problem and things like that. guly |
| 08:50.31 | Azar | no in fact I am 86KG.. |
| 08:50.50 | tralala | I love small laptops - 12'' |
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| 08:50.57 | wols_ | Azar: I have a toshiba tecra 8000. not fragile |
| 08:51.09 | Azar | wols_: I was speaking figuratively.. |
| 08:51.12 | wols_ | but ooools :) |
| 08:51.23 | ma3x | wols_, maybe it's more likely to assemble it for a good price in the US, but in europe it's more expensive. anyway we're getting a little ot |
| 08:51.25 | tralala | neither is my thinkpad - and I really gave it a run for its money |
| 08:51.49 | ehc | I am trying to wget this file http://help.textdrive.com/index.php?pg=file&from=2&id=41 but it isn't working. Any Ideas? |
| 08:51.54 | tralala | it's a 600e - a grandmonther but still holding on |
| 08:51.56 | wols_ | Azar: you just mustnt buy conusmer shit. they are made to decaay |
| 08:52.11 | wols_ | business laptops. even if from ebay |
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| 08:52.31 | Azar | wols_: eh, like you I will never bother to build my own laptop and what it is in the market... is consumer shit |
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| 08:53.07 | tralala | Azar, buy business class laptops, they are good |
| 08:53.20 | ma3x | tralala, from ebay :) ? |
| 08:53.20 | tralala | and expensive |
| 08:53.21 | wols_ | no it's not. the best way is to buy a laptop on ebay. do you need more than 1GHz or so? you don't need a gamer videocard anyways |
| 08:53.25 | Azar | three of my PCs are made up from parts bought now and then... only one, the newest one is a barebone kit from tigerdirect |
| 08:53.41 | wols_ | tralala: which is where ebay comes in. new, they are too expensive yes |
| 08:54.00 | tralala | wols_, I wish I had an ebay in .gr |
| 08:54.01 | ma3x | wols_, what if you get the laptop and it stops working in a few days? :) |
| 08:54.07 | Azar | yeah you bid and bid and bid..just to beat the others... and wind up paying more than worth |
| 08:54.28 | wols_ | you can pay more than it's worth in a shop easily too |
| 08:54.48 | wols_ | ma3x: tough then |
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| 08:55.10 | tralala | Azar, not quite - I've had some great bargins in a local ebay-like site |
| 08:55.11 | Azar | wols_: I bet 1/4 of the store price is for the year-limit warranty and support |
| 08:55.16 | wols_ | if you want a quality built laptop there is no other way than a business one in some way or other |
| 08:55.40 | wols_ | never sold a latpop so can't say |
| 08:55.57 | wols_ | we in EU have 2 year warranty always btw |
| 08:56.05 | cafuego | I've seen enough bad quality business ones to make that a gamble too. |
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| 08:56.10 | Quintin | wowwww |
| 08:56.14 | Quintin | I havea new dedicated server |
| 08:56.14 | Azar | wols_: online stores like say.. amazon sell everything around 20% cheaper because they do not pay land rent |
| 08:56.17 | Quintin | it's spiffy |
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| 08:56.40 | Quintin | budgetdedicated.com ! |
| 08:56.43 | wols_ | Quintin: home server? or rootservre in a datacenter? |
| 08:56.52 | Quintin | wols_: datacenter |
| 08:57.05 | cafuego | wols_: No, I'm the one with the new home server ;-) |
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| 08:58.11 | wols_ | Quintin: that site looks like only virtual servers right now. also no prices? |
| 08:58.18 | wols_ | cafuego: what is it? :) |
| 08:58.31 | cafuego | wols_: prices in th right margin |
| 08:58.41 | cafuego | wols_: amd64 5600+ with 4Gb ram |
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| 08:58.46 | DustyDingo | can somebody tell me, how i can convert a textfile with CRLF line terminators to a normal file? |
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| 08:59.03 | cafuego | Quintin: bought it or doing the free trial? |
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| 08:59.16 | cafuego | DustyDingo: sed or dos2unix |
| 08:59.18 | Quintin | wols_: there are prices. you can get dedicated |
| 08:59.49 | Quintin | cafuego: trial. I'll probably sign up |
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| 09:00.20 | Quintin | cafuego: cheaper than that site? no way |
| 09:00.26 | cafuego | Quintin: for xen, yes |
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| 09:01.39 | tralala | Quintin, tektonic.com - far better offers |
| 09:01.52 | cafuego | Quintin: US$15.99 for a virtual xen box with 128mb ram and 5Gb disk |
| 09:02.13 | Quintin | hmm |
| 09:02.18 | Quintin | but how loaded is the host |
| 09:02.29 | cafuego | on budgetdedicated that would be Eur 23.08 |
| 09:03.03 | tralala | tektonic.net, sorry |
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| 09:03.24 | cafuego | Quintin: No idea, i tend to not log in to it, it just runs as backup MX and virtual web server for high traffic sites |
| 09:03.33 | cafuego | i have no issues with it |
| 09:03.49 | Quintin | hm |
| 09:03.55 | cafuego | vpsland.com |
| 09:03.56 | Quintin | well |
| 09:04.01 | Quintin | does anyone want a free shell? <3 |
| 09:04.04 | cafuego | i used to be with vpslink.com, but they sucked |
| 09:04.12 | tralala | 256RAM, 10GB disk, $15/mo |
| 09:04.57 | cafuego | tralala: hmm, they've come down in price a bit? |
| 09:04.58 | inetd | o |
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| 09:05.04 | Quintin | tralala: that sounds pretty hot |
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| 09:05.11 | Danielss89 | how do i update the server so i can use `find`?? |
| 09:05.28 | tralala | Quintin, because it is |
| 09:06.18 | cafuego | note that includs *no* swap space |
| 09:06.36 | tralala | cafuego, I can't say. I haven't followed their prices in the past |
| 09:07.03 | cafuego | tralala: i was shopping around about 6 months ago |
| 09:07.57 | cahoot | Danielss89, you can use find right now - really tinking of locate? then updatedb |
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| 09:08.10 | Quintin | cafuego: does anything stop you from making swapfile? |
| 09:08.18 | cafuego | Quintin: kills performance VERY badly |
| 09:08.26 | Quintin | cafuego: huh? why? |
| 09:08.30 | cafuego | Quintin: swapping inside the vm is just ugh - yuck |
| 09:08.41 | cafuego | Quintin: something to do with overhead on context switching |
| 09:09.30 | Quintin | hm |
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| 09:17.26 | cafuego | Quintin: mind you, swapping to partition in the vm would still have that overhead i guess.... so i dunno if it makes much difference |
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| 09:18.26 | cafuego | Quintin: Ah i remember, I tried to add swap-on-disk on vpslink, they use openvz (and that gave you no way of minitoring ram usage inside your own VM) and it didn't allow me to swap on file inside the vm. |
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| 09:19.54 | Quintin | does anyone want a free shell? <3downloading a torrent now |
| 09:19.58 | Quintin | 500kb and climbing.. |
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| 09:21.03 | Quintin | 1800kB/s... 2000kB/s and some weird debug message is printing |
| 09:21.22 | cafuego | heh |
| 09:21.35 | cafuego | i can do 1800kB/s at home :-) |
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| 09:21.37 | tralala | cafuego, I'm running apache and zope3 on tektonic and it only uses half of the available memory. I can't be bothered to add swap |
| 09:21.54 | Quintin | 2400kB/s. my home link is 10mbit. 1250kB/s |
| 09:21.59 | cafuego | tralala: Yeh, I've only ever had ram issues with vpslink, not anywhere else. |
| 09:22.23 | Quintin | where are you at? what does it cost? |
| 09:22.44 | tralala | okay, stop bragging about your connections cause you make me consider suicide |
| 09:22.53 | Quintin | fallen to *only* 2000kB/s |
| 09:22.58 | cafuego | Melbourne.... with annex M (2Mbit up) and 40Gb quota it's $110/mo |
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| 09:23.06 | cafuego | oh and static IP |
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| 09:23.26 | Quintin | cafuego: I do 40gb in a day :p |
| 09:23.33 | cahoot | that's $35/month |
| 09:23.49 | cafuego | Quintin: Yeh, abdnwidth costs an arm and a leg in australia |
| 09:23.49 | cahoot | no qoata |
| 09:24.05 | cafuego | what with the tiny pipe to the rest of the world |
| 09:24.07 | Quintin | not as bad as my friend in india |
| 09:24.27 | Quintin | he pays I think atleast 100 USD for 512kbit that works maybe 85% of the tiem |
| 09:24.28 | cafuego | [insert hilarious leprosy joke] |
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| 09:24.42 | Matic`Makovec | Do you suggest any shell-based torrent client? |
| 09:24.48 | cafuego | Matic`Makovec: rtorrent |
| 09:24.55 | Matic`Makovec | 'kay, thanks |
| 09:24.57 | tralala | Matic`Makovec, bittornado |
| 09:24.58 | cafuego | it's fast, small and runs in `screen' |
| 09:25.13 | cafuego | and best of all, no python |
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| 09:25.17 | Quintin | rtorrent is the best |
| 09:25.21 | tralala | meh |
| 09:25.28 | Quintin | bittornado? |
| 09:25.33 | Quintin | yea, if you want to wait a week |
| 09:25.37 | Quintin | for a 50m file |
| 09:25.45 | cafuego | any torrent client that uses more ram than emacs... |
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| 09:26.03 | Quintin | using emacs is a shooting offense in my book |
| 09:26.40 | tralala | anything written in python is cool by default. Even "hello, world" |
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| 09:27.05 | Quintin | Imma delete the file and download again |
| 09:27.10 | Quintin | tralala: what kind of internet do you have? |
| 09:27.24 | cafuego | tralala: hello world in python would use about 32Mb ram |
| 09:27.28 | tralala | shitty - 768/192 for 35euro/mo |
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| 09:28.43 | tralala | cafuego, but it will be in production before you end up writing the gcc line |
| 09:29.16 | cafuego | tralala: compiling rtorrent desn't take particularly long on this box |
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| 09:30.16 | wols_ | cafuego: you ovreestimate the python ressource usage |
| 09:30.35 | tralala | cafuego, I'm talking about writing software not using already written |
| 09:30.55 | tralala | not to mention testing |
| 09:30.58 | cafuego | wols_: I can run a quick `ps' and check... |
| 09:31.22 | wols_ | cafuego: of course it'S more than the C program but not THAT much more |
| 09:31.49 | cafuego | wols_: This tiny thing that fetches a url and displays a percentage uses 8Mb ram |
| 09:31.49 | wols_ | tralala: but cafuego is right: the python BT clietns are abysmal. I regard them as "proof of concept" |
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| 09:31.59 | wols_ | there is a reason why cohen's company bought utorrent |
| 09:32.09 | cafuego | wols_: also known as 266 Mb when all libs are added |
| 09:32.30 | cafuego | that's as much as *all* of *evolution* |
| 09:32.47 | tralala | wols_, all I've ever used is bittornado and I see no reason to switch |
| 09:32.50 | wols_ | cafuego: you mean bittorando here? |
| 09:33.14 | wols_ | it does a bit more than just fetches a url and displays a percentage |
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| 09:33.24 | cafuego | wols_: No, this network usage applet I have |
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| 09:33.33 | tralala | cafuego, zope takes ~70MB |
| 09:33.43 | cafuego | tralala: that's *insane* |
| 09:33.45 | wols_ | and I embedded python in a app. it didn't use 32MB suddenly more (for scripting purposes) |
| 09:34.15 | cafuego | wols_: http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/dists/feisty-cafuego/internode/ <-- that one |
| 09:34.21 | tralala | cafuego, only if you plan to embed it in linux |
| 09:34.29 | wols_ | and tralala was right. python is a far better RAD tools than C (or C++) will ever be :P |
| 09:34.42 | Quintin | rad! |
| 09:34.54 | wols_ | he said the forbidden word! stone him! stone cafuego! |
| 09:35.00 | cafuego | io like to think of python as a language, not a rad tool. that makes it be like say visual basic. |
| 09:35.08 | grew | fuck python |
| 09:35.16 | MangosDebian | !perl |
| 09:35.16 | dpkg | perl is probably the Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister, or confusing as hell to learn but quite powerfull if you know how to use it, or see http://learn.perl.org/library/beginning_perl/ or #perl |
| 09:35.17 | grew | syntactic whitespace is a disaster |
| 09:35.27 | cast | grew: no, it is not. |
| 09:35.50 | cafuego | *I* hate syntactic whitespace. I see see how others might like it, though. |
| 09:35.51 | wols_ | people not able to properly indent should be shot on sight too |
| 09:36.02 | cafuego | wols_: that's what `indent' is for. |
| 09:36.04 | Quintin | wols_: YES. YES. YES. |
| 09:36.14 | Quintin | cafuego: doesn't indent indent according to GNU rules? |
| 09:36.18 | Quintin | which are totally fucked up. |
| 09:36.21 | tralala | !wols_++ |
| 09:36.33 | wols_ | cafuego: I like python. it's simply beautiful design |
| 09:36.35 | Quintin | 'print out a copy of the GNU coding standards, and NOT read them. Burn them, it's a great symbolic gesture.' |
| 09:36.49 | wols_ | unlike php or perl. even when perl people know what they are doing |
| 09:36.49 | grew | perl is simply beautiful |
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| 09:36.51 | grew | python is not |
| 09:36.56 | cafuego | Quintin: No, it indents according to rules in ~/.indent.pro |
| 09:36.57 | grew | case in point: apt |
| 09:37.09 | tralala | grew, you're out of your mind |
| 09:37.22 | cast | how does apt come into this? |
| 09:37.28 | grew | show me elegent python |
| 09:37.29 | wols_ | grew: don't confuse the beauty of an app or it's function with the tool that creates it |
| 09:37.31 | grew | apt is written in perl |
| 09:37.40 | MangosDebian | nothing like a good language war at 5:30am to get the blood flowing :) |
| 09:37.40 | MangosDebian | morning guys |
| 09:37.40 | grew | lawl |
| 09:37.40 | cafuego | One thing though, we'll never have to sit through an "obfuscated python" contest - ha! |
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| 09:37.54 | Quintin | ruby pwns quite a lot |
| 09:37.55 | wols_ | grew: which part of apt? |
| 09:37.55 | tralala | grew, take any python code |
| 09:38.06 | cafuego | grew: I wrote an elegant array shuffler in python once |
| 09:38.10 | Quintin | how do I scan standard ports with nmap? |
| 09:38.18 | MangosDebian | -F |
| 09:38.19 | cafuego | Quintin: nmap -f I think |
| 09:38.23 | cafuego | oh, the other f |
| 09:38.32 | grew | wols_: hrmm, well it used to be |
| 09:38.43 | Quintin | kewl |
| 09:39.13 | tralala | grew, that's a good sum up for perl - it used to be useful and then came python... |
| 09:39.18 | cast | Quintin: -F, man nmap |
| 09:39.35 | grew | enforcing whitespace is bad design period |
| 09:39.44 | wols_ | grew: exactly |
| 09:39.45 | Quintin | I don't want to read a man page, I just wanted to see what was running real quick ;p |
| 09:39.55 | wols_ | it used to be. long time ago |
| 09:40.05 | grew | Quintin: manpages are your friend, read them or search them |
| 09:40.23 | grew | wols_: i guess its been a while since i tried to look at it |
| 09:40.28 | wols_ | and again: the beatuy of an app is not to be confused with the beauty of its sourcecode. so: have you looked at apt sources? what is so beautiful about them? |
| 09:40.47 | grew | you are right |
| 09:40.50 | wols_ | or rather: what was so beautiful about its sourcecode back then when it had perl inside? |
| 09:40.51 | grew | and i dont recall |
| 09:40.56 | tralala | grew, the enforcement of the whitespace is exactly why you'll *never* see messy python code |
| 09:41.11 | grew | tralala: whitespace enforcement does not mean that code wont be messy |
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| 09:41.24 | grew | in fact, its an arguably moot part |
| 09:41.28 | cafuego | it goies means a python code tarball is twice the size it needs to be |
| 09:41.42 | cafuego | s/goies/???/ |
| 09:41.55 | grew | and im no expert |
| 09:41.59 | wols_ | grew: it's jzust linke like they solved OO and classes in python, how they put in functional programming, and things like that. that's what makes it beautiful in mey eyes. not to mentiona how clear and understandable the code is, etc |
| 09:42.03 | grew | but it doesnt say much about the python interpreter |
| 09:42.05 | MangosDebian | wols_: all source code if beautiful_._ |
| 09:42.15 | MangosDebian | s/if/is/ lol oops |
| 09:42.16 | grew | wols_: i like perls oo model |
| 09:42.16 | grew | and |
| 09:42.22 | grew | perl6 will be awesome |
| 09:42.22 | wols_ | these things I like. perl doesn't have that even if programmer of perl have a clue. php otoh... |
| 09:42.22 | tralala | grew, it means it will be readable |
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| 09:42.36 | tralala | maybe not comprehensible but readable |
| 09:42.38 | cafuego | grew: just like duke nukem forevr, eh? |
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| 09:42.48 | wols_ | grew: perl6 sounds like HURD more and more :) |
| 09:42.49 | grew | tralala: many people have many different but completely readable indentation methods |
| 09:42.53 | grew | hahah |
| 09:42.56 | tralala | with perl it's pretty much guaranteed that it won't be either of them |
| 09:43.04 | grew | guarenteed? |
| 09:43.08 | grew | there is no requirement |
| 09:43.16 | grew | and all of my perl code is nicely indented |
| 09:43.45 | grew | wols_: point made, however it is making serious progress! |
| 09:44.01 | grew | much more than hurd |
| 09:44.02 | grew | hehe |
| 09:44.06 | wols_ | ok, that HURD is not, but from what I hear DnF is ;) |
| 09:44.38 | tralala | I first learnt perl and I thought it was nice until I learnt python |
| 09:44.43 | wols_ | grew: I don't want to bash perl (like I want to kill maim and strangle Rasmus Lerdorf) but it's not a language for me :) |
| 09:45.20 | tralala | writing a module in perl is simply insane |
| 09:45.25 | grew | wols_: i completely respect that opionion |
| 09:45.32 | grew | however i question tralala's definiton of "learn" |
| 09:45.45 | grew | seeing as there is simply nothing hard about writing a perl module |
| 09:45.46 | wols_ | as I said: perl programmers (ones making the interpreter and the users of the interpreter) have a clue normally. it's just a language only its creator could love to paraphrase a saying :) |
| 09:45.52 | grew | package and bless, OMG HARD! |
| 09:46.06 | tralala | grew, learn means to know something more about the language than it's identation rules |
| 09:46.10 | grew | wols_: its a wonderfully elegant language |
| 09:46.21 | wols_ | speaking of: if you write a C perl module. how is memory management done? |
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| 09:47.07 | grew | i imagine the XSS docs explain this |
| 09:47.12 | grew | however i have not done so personally |
| 09:47.26 | MangosDebian | wols_: man perlembed is a good read |
| 09:47.30 | wols_ | like in python where you have to keep track of what variables you used and how? |
| 09:47.41 | grew | err XS |
| 09:47.54 | MangosDebian | my favorite quote from that page: "You can sometimes write faster code in C, but you can always write code faster in Perl." |
| 09:47.56 | wols_ | cause if you do that in python you see how totally hideous the backside of python is (its C based interpreter) |
| 09:48.01 | grew | XS sorry |
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| 09:48.12 | grew | well the backside of perl5 isnt too nice either |
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| 09:48.19 | grew | however this is well fixed in perl6 |
| 09:48.24 | grew | parrot is really nice |
| 09:48.27 | cafuego | just like in DnF |
| 09:48.55 | wols_ | cafuego: a pig cop's foreside isn't exactly pretty either |
| 09:49.07 | wols_ | heck, Duke is one ugly motherfucker even |
| 09:49.10 | cafuego | no, but at least it *exists* |
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| 09:49.23 | grew | wols_: isnt that up to the viewer? :P |
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| 09:50.04 | wols_ | Duke looks like a neonazi 'round here (didn't really see the new DUke yet tho. only remember the old one |
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| 09:51.58 | litage | hi guys |
| 09:52.19 | wols_ | hello gal |
| 09:52.31 | litage | and gals |
| 09:53.03 | wols_ | with "gal" I meant you. not us |
| 09:53.18 | litage | oh hah. but, i'm a guy |
| 09:53.30 | wols_ | that'S what you say |
| 09:53.39 | litage | last time i checked... |
| 09:53.53 | wols_ | again: unproven assertion. hearsay |
| 09:53.55 | litage | have you checked since then!?</shock> |
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| 09:54.36 | litage | okay, enough of this gay banter. how about a real question! |
| 09:55.18 | cafuego | !gay litage |
| 09:55.31 | litage | there's a patch (http://www.linuxpowertop.org/patches/kernel-2.6.21.patch) that i want to apply to my kernel src, but i'm not sure how to apply it because the paths in the patch are different, and i don't understand the explanation of the -p# arg in patch's manpage |
| 09:55.34 | cafuego | Ok, who broke the bot? |
| 09:55.34 | litage | any suggestions? |
| 09:55.38 | litage | hahah yay! |
| 09:55.52 | Quintin | dpkg: shut the fuck up! |
| 09:55.53 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 09:55.58 | Quintin | seems fine |
| 09:56.03 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 09:56.05 | cafuego | litage: -pX will remove X levels from the highest end of the path in the patch file. |
| 09:56.23 | litage | cafuego: why would i want to do that? |
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| 09:56.34 | cafuego | litage: Normally you's go into linux-2.6.21 and run 'patch -p1 < ../patchfile' |
| 09:56.47 | litage | cafuego: ah i see |
| 09:57.02 | cafuego | litage: if you don't, `patch' won't be able to find the files. |
| 09:57.27 | cafuego | this way, a dev can have whatever dirs he wants to develop in, and you can have whatever dir you want as well. |
| 09:57.44 | MangosDebian | cafuego: least theres someone willing to be the human man page here still :p |
| 09:58.04 | cafuego | litage: So if the patch contains somedir/linux-wibble/arch/asm/i386/ping.h |
| 09:58.32 | cafuego | you'll want to run -p2 so it strips 'somedir/linux-wibble/' and applies the patch to ./arch/asm/i386/ping.h |
| 09:58.48 | cafuego | litage: Note, --dry-run is your *friend* |
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| 10:01.58 | Tanaka | hi all |
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| 10:02.41 | litage__ | ack, got disconected |
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| 10:03.04 | cafuego | too bad, i posted a 2-line treatise on hwo to us patch and what the options mean. |
| 10:03.07 | cafuego | 20-line |
| 10:03.12 | litage__ | hahah |
| 10:03.18 | litage__ | or, are you serious? |
| 10:03.27 | cafuego | litage: So if the patch contains somedir/linux-wibble/arch/asm/i386/ping.h |
| 10:03.29 | cafuego | you'll want to run -p2 so it strips 'somedir/linux-wibble/' and applies the patch to ./arch/asm/i386/ping.h |
| 10:03.33 | cafuego | litage: Note, --dry-run is your *friend* |
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| 10:03.42 | cafuego | capiche? |
| 10:03.49 | tacit | Hi everyone. When they post to the announce list "etch has been updated", does it mean that packages from the security server have been moved to the regular mirrors? |
| 10:04.00 | Tanaka | is it possible to install debian on vmware under ubuntu and then transfer the system files to a partition to run it natively |
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| 10:04.06 | litage__ | cafuego: that makes sense |
| 10:04.08 | axos88 | hello all! Can I mount a FAT32 partition at sytem startup (using fstab), so that every user would have write access to it? Right now the owner is the root user, and the permissions are rwxr-xr-x |
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| 10:04.28 | litage__ | cafuego: i applied the patch, but i'm not sure if each "hunk" was applied. patch said that several files were patch, but only said hunk #1 succeeded. were all of the changes in the patch-file applied?: http://rafb.net/p/fVXXhB34.html |
| 10:04.43 | tacit | axos88: uid, gid and umask options, see man mount vfat section |
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| 10:04.48 | cafuego | litage__: Are there any .rej files? |
| 10:04.50 | litage__ | tacit: i believe so |
| 10:04.58 | cafuego | litage__: find . -name "*.rej" |
| 10:05.22 | cafuego | litage__: Hyeah, that worked fine. |
| 10:05.32 | litage__ | cafuego: no .rej files |
| 10:05.48 | cafuego | litage__: It just mentions hunk #1 for net/core/neighbour.c because it needed to offset the patch by 3 lines. |
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| 10:06.00 | litage__ | cafuego: ah i see |
| 10:06.30 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.30 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.31 | litage__ | cafuego: i assume that patch will tell you if a given hunk didn't succeed? |
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| 10:06.42 | ma3x | how come those packages are broken? |
| 10:06.49 | cafuego | litage__: Yeah, and it will create both a .orig and a .rej file. |
| 10:06.53 | litage__ | ma3x: define "broken" |
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| 10:07.02 | BlackDragon42 | Hello. |
| 10:07.05 | litage__ | cafuego: thanks for your help :) |
| 10:07.07 | ma3x | litage, well you see the paste, it wont install |
| 10:07.25 | cafuego | litage__: that's what the --dry-run is for, you'll know beforehand :-) |
| 10:07.31 | bluedrops | axos88: of course, change the mount options from "noauto" to "auto" in fstab. You will then need to change or add umask and specify a gid for users who can use it. |
| 10:07.40 | litage__ | cafuego: ah true. i'll remember --dry-run for the future |
| 10:07.51 | ma3x | litage, how can i install libgtk2.0-dev? |
| 10:08.06 | litage__ | ma3x: the packages aren't broken. the packages YOU have installed on YOUR box are preventing the installation of libcairo2-dev |
| 10:08.22 | litage__ | ma3x: try to install libcairo2-dev by itself and see what apt/dpkg says |
| 10:08.27 | axos88 | tacit: bluedrops: yep, thanks |
| 10:08.27 | ma3x | litage, what packages are preventing it? I have installed everything from the etch repositories |
| 10:08.51 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:08.51 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:09.42 | litage__ | ma3x: try installing libfontconfig1-dev or libfreetype6-dev by itself and see what it says |
| 10:09.48 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:09.48 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:09.50 | ma3x | sorry |
| 10:09.55 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.13 | litage__ | ma3x: what does this command output?: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:10.28 | ma3x | 4.0 |
| 10:10.53 | litage__ | ma3x: what does this command output?: apt-get -f install |
| 10:11.24 | ma3x | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
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| 10:11.30 | litage__ | ma3x: if the output's more than 3 lines, please use a pastebin such as http://rafb.net/paste |
| 10:11.33 | ma3x | the 1 not upgraded is not important, it's apt-spy |
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| 10:11.38 | litage__ | nrmm |
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| 10:12.42 | litage__ | ma3x: what does this command output (note that it will upgrade your packages to the latest etch release): apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 10:13.03 | ma3x | litage, are you kidding me? they are all up to date |
| 10:13.44 | ma3x | it's a dependency problem bug |
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| 10:14.05 | derwolf | try synaptic and u dont need to think about it |
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| 10:15.06 | litage__ | ma3x: try install libfreetype6-dev with this command: apt-get install libfreetype6-dev=2.2.1-5+etch1 |
| 10:15.31 | derwolf | argh |
| 10:15.36 | derwolf | ok .. do what u want |
| 10:16.01 | litage__ | derwolf: i've never used synaptic, so i can't help ma3x with it |
| 10:16.03 | ma3x | E: Version '2.2.1-5+etch1' for 'libfreetype6-dev' was not found |
| 10:16.10 | ma3x | synaptics sucks |
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| 10:17.26 | litage__ | ma3x: are you sure your apt cache is up-to-date? ``apt-cache show libfreetype6-dev | grep Version'' spits out "Version: 2.2.1-5+etch1" and "Version: 2.2.1-5" for me |
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| 10:18.10 | litage__ | ma3x: what does this command output for you?: apt-cache show libfreetype6-dev | grep Version |
| 10:18.12 | ma3x | Version: 2.2.1-5 |
| 10:18.26 | wols_ | litage__: apt-cache policy libfreetype6-dev |
| 10:18.30 | wols_ | not show |
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| 10:18.52 | litage__ | ma3x: run this: apt-get update |
| 10:18.59 | ma3x | i already ran it |
| 10:19.10 | ma3x | you try it with my mirrors if you want |
| 10:19.13 | ma3x | i doubt it's them |
| 10:19.16 | litage__ | ma3x: you don't have the security repo in your sources.list, do you? |
| 10:19.22 | ma3x | nope |
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| 10:19.25 | ma3x | is that the problem? |
| 10:19.30 | litage__ | ma3x: yes. that's the problem |
| 10:19.34 | ma3x | gd |
| 10:19.48 | b_jonas | HUH? |
| 10:19.50 | litage__ | ma3x: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 10:19.54 | litage__ | ma3x: what's "gd"? |
| 10:19.59 | b_jonas | #museum forwards here? |
| 10:20.03 | ma3x | god damn |
| 10:20.10 | wols_ | ma3x: how can you not have it? debian puts it in on install |
| 10:20.32 | derwolf | #disable# |
| 10:20.42 | ma3x | wols_, i have so many mirrors with # in front, so I must have commented that too |
| 10:20.48 | ma3x | didn't think of it though |
| 10:21.07 | ma3x | ok works now |
| 10:21.10 | ma3x | thanks |
| 10:21.24 | litage__ | ma3x: np |
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| 10:22.09 | Doat | my ipod nano gets unmounted after a while, dmesg says something about dead device |
| 10:22.10 | ma3x | anyway, how do you find out that it depended on the security line? |
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| 10:23.22 | wols_ | ma3x: apt-cache policy will tell you after you update |
| 10:23.25 | hark | he's gone, but apt-cache policy packagename will tell you |
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| 10:24.34 | ma3x | oh great |
| 10:24.38 | ma3x | thanks agaain |
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| 10:27.05 | mango | hi, |
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| 10:29.17 | mango | I would like to mount an external memory card automaticaly when plugged in. I want to make it read/write for my self at least... how can I do this? or what is that I need to do in fstab to make this work. thanks |
| 10:29.39 | cipo | hello, sorry for my english. when does testing get the version number? |
| 10:30.27 | cast | mango: the package usbmount makes that pretty trivial to do |
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| 10:34.00 | cipo | so quiet on the weekend |
| 10:34.58 | wols_ | cipo: when it's released |
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| 10:35.19 | wols_ | up til then it will only be "testing". it already has a name tho: lenny |
| 10:35.24 | cipo | wols_ : no, etch got the ver # on december |
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| 10:35.36 | cipo | or november, i forgot |
| 10:36.00 | wols_ | cipo: that was shortly before release. actually december WAS the intneded relase date. and it also was shortly bfore it was frozen. all this is a long time off |
| 10:36.09 | ma3x | can I build package from source tree that has no rules/ |
| 10:36.09 | wols_ | cipo: and where did this number show? |
| 10:36.14 | mango | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.23 | wols_ | it might have been decided on in decembre, but where did you see the numner back then? |
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| 10:36.33 | wols_ | !nm |
| 10:36.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 10:36.39 | wols_ | ma3x: yes you can. see that |
| 10:37.15 | cipo | on etc issue.net ? |
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| 10:37.34 | wols_ | cipo: unless you see it on debian.org it doesn't mean a thing |
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| 10:37.52 | wols_ | not some random website out there |
| 10:38.31 | cipo | hmm, ok |
| 10:38.47 | ma3x | wols_, why the nm site? i am looking for how to build package from .tar.gz which has no rules/ or .dsc or .orig |
| 10:39.26 | cipo | why etch got 4.0, not 3.2? |
| 10:39.38 | wols_ | !tell ma3x about nm guide |
| 10:39.46 | wols_ | ma3x: I thought it would give oyu that |
| 10:40.05 | ma3x | wols_, ok i'll look at it thanks |
| 10:40.20 | wols_ | cipo: cause debian members thought it warranted 4.0. why is vista called "vista"? |
| 10:40.52 | Guerin | there was significant argument about 3.2 vs 4.0 |
| 10:41.07 | Guerin | though mostly from the people who wanted sarge to be 4.0, and etch to be 4.1 |
| 10:41.08 | cipo | so, there are no convention about release number? |
| 10:41.19 | Guerin | cipo: no, like most other things in debian, it's arbitrary |
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| 10:41.30 | Guerin | people just make it up as they go |
| 10:41.36 | cipo | hehe ok |
| 10:41.37 | Guerin | anmd somehow it works |
| 10:41.42 | wols_ | Guerin: versioning is not a debian specific thing. debian is not different than any other organization there |
| 10:41.48 | wols_ | well a bit. less marketing stuff |
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| 10:43.21 | alecssys | does anyone know how to make the tv-out work on a gefroce 6200 ? |
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| 10:43.50 | wols_ | nvidia driver can do it I think, dunno about nv |
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| 10:45.51 | cipo | another question, why fasterfox page load timer doesnt work on iceweasel |
| 10:46.12 | CharminTheMoose | when backing up directories with tar. do i use 'tar -cpsf foo.tar /path' as root to back up directories? |
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| 10:47.58 | cast | p only effects extracting afaik |
| 10:48.34 | cast | it is also the default for root anyway |
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| 10:49.16 | cast | wow i can type an entire line and hit enter before i see it come up on my lagged ssh session |
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| 10:51.49 | cast | what is the point of -s? |
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| 10:54.38 | litage | while building dhcdbd from source, an error occured...i'm just not sure where or what the error is. any hints?: http://rafb.net/p/MXrVBb25.html |
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| 10:55.20 | litage | oops, this url i mean: http://rafb.net/p/RyUBcH56.html |
| 10:55.21 | CharminTheMoose | cast: I think it's the same as -p |
| 10:55.46 | ma3x | this is kinda strange. when i close laptop lid and reopen it, dpms gets enabled |
| 10:55.51 | ma3x | how do i turn it off foreveR? |
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| 10:56.21 | cast | CharminTheMoose: it mentions something about order, anyway, personally all i do is tar tcf |
| 10:56.35 | cast | fuck ,tar cf. |
| 10:56.37 | litage | ma3x: what's DPMS? |
| 10:57.11 | CharminTheMoose | cast: really? and should I do tar ps for extracting them? |
| 10:57.25 | ma3x | litage, display power management |
| 10:57.27 | frank | display power management signaling |
| 10:57.53 | litage | ma3x: why would you want DPMS disabled on a laptop? |
| 10:58.21 | cast | CharminTheMoose: i don't understand what -s would be used for, if you are root then p is already the default anyway |
| 10:58.31 | ma3x | litage, it blanks out my screen, even if i do xset s off |
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| 11:09.49 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 11:10.19 | flami | salut , |
| 11:10.21 | flami | !fr |
| 11:10.22 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:11.06 | sharkylan | hello |
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| 11:12.28 | sharkylan | when i try to run freevo using the framebuffer on a basic installation of debian etch without x and gnome/kde i crashes because it can't connect to the framebuffer /dev/fb0 any ideas ß |
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| 11:14.57 | wols_ | sharkylan: what permissions on the framebuffer? |
| 11:15.04 | wols_ | sharkylan: does it say premission denied? |
| 11:16.06 | sharkylan | the error message is the following (!) Direct/Util: opening '/dev/fb0' and '/dev/fb/0' failed --> No such file or directory (!) DirectFB/FBDev: Error opening framebuffer device! (!) DirectFB/FBDev: Use 'fbdev' option or set FRAMEBUFFER environment variable. (!) DirectFB/Core: Could not initialize 'system' core! |
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| 11:17.36 | wols_ | so there is no /dev/fb0? |
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| 11:20.23 | tralala | !qotd0 |
| 11:20.24 | dpkg | <greg_work> if i want to do nfs stuff, whats the best thing to use? NFS, or is there something better? |
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| 11:23.16 | xlotlu | i remember there was an app allowing control of the names of network interfaces.. what was its name? |
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| 11:24.57 | sharkylan | wols_: how can i find it out ? |
| 11:25.20 | xlotlu | found it, ifrename |
| 11:25.40 | wols_ | !tell sharkylan about grounding |
| 11:25.44 | wols_ | also read the ls manpage |
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| 11:28.36 | DarkCow | What kind of read/write speeds should I be getting on a RAID 5 array on an athlon 1700+? |
| 11:28.45 | DarkCow | because I'm getting about 2MB/s :-/ |
| 11:28.58 | DarkCow | CPU is at 100% |
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| 11:31.31 | DarkCow | oh, it's software raid |
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| 11:33.29 | war | DarkCow: I get ~500MB/s read and write on mine |
| 11:33.34 | war | DarkCow: but I use raptors and many optimiztions |
| 11:33.36 | DarkCow | uh |
| 11:33.41 | DarkCow | 500... |
| 11:33.43 | war | yup |
| 11:33.44 | war | sw raid5 |
| 11:33.45 | DarkCow | :o |
| 11:33.49 | DarkCow | wow |
| 11:33.55 | DarkCow | mbytes/s? |
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| 11:33.57 | war | yup |
| 11:34.00 | DarkCow | shit |
| 11:34.07 | DarkCow | how fast is the CPU? |
| 11:34.18 | war | same speed with core duo e6300 or quad core q6600 |
| 11:34.25 | DarkCow | heh |
| 11:34.26 | DarkCow | figures |
| 11:34.31 | war | its not the CPU |
| 11:34.35 | DarkCow | but it still shouldn't be going at 2 for me |
| 11:34.36 | war | its the bus speed you need to worry about |
| 11:34.39 | cast | wait he said megabytes? |
| 11:34.44 | war | depends how you have them hooked up darkcow |
| 11:34.52 | cast | how the fuck.. |
| 11:34.55 | war | DarkCow: describe your configuration |
| 11:34.57 | DarkCow | SATA over PCI cards |
| 11:34.59 | tralala | it also depends on the raid controller |
| 11:35.03 | DarkCow | 2 cards, 4 disks |
| 11:35.07 | DarkCow | 3 in the RAID right now |
| 11:35.09 | Azar | cast shhhhh is interesting.. |
| 11:35.13 | war | DarkCow: ok |
| 11:35.16 | war | DarkCow: now.. |
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| 11:35.23 | war | DarkCow: what model drives? |
| 11:35.32 | war | DarkCow: and what sata controllers? |
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| 11:35.40 | DarkCow | but read/write to the disks normally gets me about 35MB/s |
| 11:35.43 | SoulChild | Hey all ... |
| 11:35.49 | DarkCow | they're fairly cheap controllers |
| 11:35.50 | war | DarkCow: to each disk you mean? |
| 11:35.54 | DarkCow | yeah |
| 11:35.57 | war | DarkCow: k |
| 11:35.59 | DarkCow | sil 3112A |
| 11:36.05 | war | DarkCow: silicon image are good |
| 11:36.13 | war | DarkCow: OK now.. what cmd did you use to make the sw raid? |
| 11:36.18 | war | DarkCow: and are you using LVM? |
| 11:36.22 | SoulChild | What's the name of this programm in the left of this picture http://gnomelook.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/19839-1.png ... the window with all information about your computer |
| 11:36.24 | war | DarkCow: and how many mhz is that cpu? |
| 11:36.25 | DarkCow | they're WD 7200RPM 250GB disks |
| 11:36.33 | DarkCow | it's about 1500mhz |
| 11:36.38 | war | DarkCow: plenty fast |
| 11:36.38 | DarkCow | lemme get the command |
| 11:36.40 | war | DarkCow: k |
| 11:37.15 | DarkCow | mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --raid-devices=3 /dev/sdb1 missing /dev/sdd1 --level=5 --auto=yes |
| 11:37.17 | DarkCow | then... |
| 11:37.26 | DarkCow | mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 |
| 11:37.35 | DarkCow | after I'd shifted some bits |
| 11:37.36 | war | why did you create one that was missing? |
| 11:37.40 | war | oh |
| 11:37.41 | DarkCow | I have 4 disks |
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| 11:37.50 | SoulChild | please help :( |
| 11:37.52 | war | DarkCow: question, can you stop it now and we can create it properly? |
| 11:37.53 | DarkCow | 2 ere in LVM |
| 11:37.56 | war | BINGO |
| 11:38.03 | war | DarkCow: LVM will incur 10-50% performance hit |
| 11:38.08 | war | DarkCow: I suggest you not use it. |
| 11:38.14 | DarkCow | I'm not using LVM on the RAID, though |
| 11:38.17 | war | wow |
| 11:38.19 | war | DarkCow: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 11:38.24 | war | http://rafb.net/paste |
| 11:38.32 | war | and also mdadm -D /dev/md0 please |
| 11:38.46 | tralala | war, do you have any links to support that claim about lvm? |
| 11:38.53 | DarkCow | http://rafb.net/p/sXDteg10.html |
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| 11:39.14 | SoulChild | :( |
| 11:39.20 | war | tralala: there's benchmarks on the linux-raid mailing list |
| 11:39.25 | Azar | SoulChild: I am not using gnome or gtk, but I have something similar is called gkrellm |
| 11:39.25 | war | tralala: 6-12 mos ago |
| 11:39.38 | SoulChild | Azar: okay thanks |
| 11:39.41 | tralala | let me see |
| 11:39.47 | war | DarkCow: yo |
| 11:39.50 | war | DarkCow: 2 more things |
| 11:39.54 | war | DarkCow: cat /proc/interrupts |
| 11:39.54 | DarkCow | http://rafb.net/p/y07GMT97.html |
| 11:40.11 | Azar | wtf gtk? I ment kde |
| 11:40.12 | war | DarkCow: how are you benchmarking 3MB/s write? |
| 11:40.20 | Azar | .... cannot sleep... |
| 11:40.24 | DarkCow | dd if=zero etc... |
| 11:40.27 | DarkCow | er |
| 11:40.32 | DarkCow | /dev/zero |
| 11:40.42 | war | DarkCow: use the following cmd please |
| 11:40.51 | war | DarkCow: dd if=/dev/zero of=file.out bs=1M count=10240 |
| 11:40.55 | war | DarkCow: and show me output |
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| 11:41.10 | war | DarkCow: also run vmstat 1 in the other window |
| 11:41.20 | war | DarkCow: put that info rafb.net/paste |
| 11:41.25 | DarkCow | will do |
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| 11:41.39 | war | DarkCow: also, what filesystem are you using? |
| 11:41.42 | DarkCow | ext3 |
| 11:41.45 | war | DarkCow: ext3 will give you some of the worst write speeds |
| 11:41.54 | war | DarkCow: use data=writeback or try XFS |
| 11:41.54 | Azar | pffhahaha |
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| 11:42.08 | DarkCow | still, I'm concerned about this 100% CPU usage |
| 11:42.15 | war | DarkCow: what kernel version? |
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| 11:42.20 | qudama | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.25 | war | DarkCow: you will see 100% cpu usage because of the way dd writes/etc |
| 11:42.29 | DarkCow | 2.6.18-3 |
| 11:42.32 | war | DarkCow: the real usage is the md0_raid5 kernel process |
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| 11:42.39 | war | DarkCow: look for that in top |
| 11:42.40 | war | DarkCow: not dd. |
| 11:42.41 | Azar | qudama: no, not in Debian |
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| 11:42.49 | wols_ | qudama: what debian version? |
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| 11:42.54 | Azar | !debian based |
| 11:42.54 | dpkg | Your distribution uses <apt>, but is not officialy Debian maintained (see <why Debian>), nor do we manage all aspects of it. (see <Debian policy>) Therefore, we are not obligated to help you (see <based on Debian caveats>). Please visit the proper IRC channel for your distribution. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> to name a few. |
| 11:43.10 | DarkCow | at the moment, ata/0 is using most of the CPU |
| 11:43.17 | wols_ | qudama: you can if you run real debian. if you don't, we can't support you anyways |
| 11:43.18 | war | Dark_Apostrophe: hmm strange |
| 11:43.50 | qudama | wols_: ok thanks:) |
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| 11:43.57 | Azar | wols_: ? upgrading a kernel using windows' add/remove? |
| 11:44.17 | war | Dark_Apostrophe: something seriously wrong here |
| 11:44.19 | danboid | I'm running sarge w/ icewm but the 'shutdown' and reboot logout options are greyed out under icewm's logout menu. I've tried using visudo to enable passwordless execution of /sbin/shutdown and also tried adding a /etc/shutdown.allow file but neither has fixed my problem. Any ideas? |
| 11:44.19 | wols_ | oh. thoguth ubunut add/remove for example |
| 11:44.32 | DarkCow | http://rafb.net/p/fd9w4E36.html <--- There's the interrupts thing |
| 11:44.33 | war | darkcow: does dmesg output show anything weird |
| 11:44.35 | war | k |
| 11:44.36 | wols_ | Azar: windows doesn't have a patent on those two words |
| 11:44.47 | wols_ | Azar: he didn't say anything about windows |
| 11:45.02 | war | DarkCow: each of the cards has its own interrupt, that is good |
| 11:45.08 | Azar | wols_: uh... that is something new for me... is there an "add" and "remove" commands in Debian? |
| 11:45.27 | wols_ | Azar: no. but he did say "debian based" :) |
| 11:45.30 | war | DarkCow: dd still running? |
| 11:45.34 | wols_ | and he might call it that way since he is a windows user |
| 11:45.36 | DarkCow | yeah |
| 11:45.37 | Azar | ahhhhhhhhhhhh :) indeed |
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| 11:45.56 | war | DarkCow: how big is the output file? |
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| 11:46.00 | DarkCow | I'm looking at gkrellm now and it's going at ~3MB/s |
| 11:46.16 | Azar | danboid: maybe because those commands are root reserved? |
| 11:46.49 | DarkCow | ugh, ssh is hanging on me :P |
| 11:46.52 | Azar | cipo: kill autoaway here please |
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| 11:46.54 | wols_ | DarkCow: on a harddisk? |
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| 11:47.13 | DarkCow | yep |
| 11:47.17 | Azar | ... suntard day is almost gone |
| 11:47.32 | danboid | Azar: I did consider having to change the permissions of shutdown and reboot but I thought there might've be a more elegant solution |
| 11:47.45 | war | DarkCow: hmm |
| 11:47.51 | war | DarkCow: it almost /seems/ like DMA is not enabled |
| 11:47.52 | DarkCow | 734M |
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| 11:48.01 | war | DarkCow: dmesg > file |
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| 11:48.05 | war | DarkCow: show me this |
| 11:48.08 | wols_ | war: exactly. no BM-DMA |
| 11:48.26 | Azar | danboid: I never used icewm, I use openbox, but I usually exit both, openbox, and X then shutdown -h now at command line |
| 11:48.33 | war | DarkCow: some of the earlier kernels had some issues with DMA on some SATA controllers/with certain chipsets |
| 11:48.36 | tralala | Azar, where? In Japan? |
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| 11:48.54 | Azar | tralala: I guess everywhere, is Monday 5 am here |
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| 11:49.08 | DarkCow | http://rafb.net/p/MrxMNn24.html <---dmesg |
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| 11:49.17 | DarkCow | okay, so there's a lot there |
| 11:49.19 | DarkCow | but it's old |
| 11:49.51 | war | dark |
| 11:49.52 | tralala | Azar, you're guess is wrong - it's still afternoon here |
| 11:49.53 | war | there is your problem |
| 11:49.54 | war | right there |
| 11:49.58 | tralala | your |
| 11:50.09 | war | ata1.00: speed down requested but no transfer mode left | ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x2 |
| 11:50.09 | war | | ata1.00: tag 0 cmd 0x39 Emask 0x10 stat 0x51 err 0x84 (ATA bus error) |
| 11:50.23 | war | DarkCow: give me the url to the card you bought |
| 11:50.36 | war | DarkCow: your drives are running at like PIO MODE 3 |
| 11:50.41 | war | DarkCow: that is the reason |
| 11:50.45 | DarkCow | ugh, it's a no-name thing, from ebay :-( |
| 11:50.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | war: Huh? |
| 11:51.01 | war | DarkCow: no brand? |
| 11:51.09 | DarkCow | nope :-/ |
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| 11:51.25 | war | DarkCow: a promise tx4 300 costs like $50 or so [and has 4 ports] |
| 11:51.42 | DarkCow | but the thing is, I get perfectly good rw speeds on normal disk |
| 11:51.54 | war | on the card? |
| 11:51.57 | DarkCow | yeah |
| 11:51.59 | DarkCow | and why is my CPU running at full tilt? |
| 11:52.06 | war | ata1: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310) |
| 11:52.06 | war | ata1.00: configured for PIO0 |
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| 11:52.11 | war | because its running PIO MODE |
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| 11:52.14 | war | PIO = uses all your CPU |
| 11:52.18 | DarkCow | ah |
| 11:52.28 | DarkCow | can I fix that without buying new hardware? |
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| 11:52.37 | war | DarkCow: possibly |
| 11:52.43 | war | DarkCow: give me a link to the hdd you own |
| 11:52.46 | Azar | tralala: hehe |
| 11:52.48 | war | DarkCow: on the manufacturers website |
| 11:53.05 | war | DarkCow: I need a link to the spec sheet/manual |
| 11:53.10 | DarkCow | what's the name of that command that tunes the disks? |
| 11:53.12 | DarkCow | I forget... |
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| 11:53.32 | war | DarkCow: hdparm but that wont help you |
| 11:53.36 | DarkCow | that's the one |
| 11:53.39 | war | DarkCow: you have a chipset device conflict |
| 11:53.45 | war | DarkCow: why cant you buy a tx4? |
| 11:53.50 | Azar | bull Etch runs on anything |
| 11:54.04 | Azar | right, wols? |
| 11:54.20 | wols_ | war: why won't it help him? |
| 11:54.24 | Azar | DarkCow: Debian Etch runs on all architectures |
| 11:54.41 | wreis | my laptop allow to boot by ethernet iface. is there possibility to install the debian with that method? |
| 11:55.01 | xand | !moo |
| 11:55.01 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 11:55.04 | wols_ | DarkCow: lspci -vv. put it in a pastebin |
| 11:55.04 | xand | :D |
| 11:55.10 | war | wols_: because the sil 3112 card doesnt support proper negotiation with the drives he is trying to use |
| 11:55.14 | wols_ | !tell wreis about i-g |
| 11:55.15 | Azar | good morning xand |
| 11:55.19 | xand | hi |
| 11:55.27 | wols_ | war: what drive is he using? |
| 11:55.39 | DarkCow | war, I don't think I can get the tx4 easily over here in england |
| 11:55.40 | wreis | dpkg: thx |
| 11:55.41 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
| 11:55.42 | DarkCow | I may be wrong, though |
| 11:56.09 | wols_ | DarkCow: how big is your harddisk? who made it? what is the model number? |
| 11:56.16 | wreis | wols_: thx |
| 11:56.16 | DarkCow | WDC WD2500KS-00MJB0 |
| 11:56.26 | DarkCow | trying to find a spec sheet now |
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| 11:57.06 | DarkCow | http://rafb.net/p/3C9ZPL85.html <---Trimmed lspci |
| 11:57.12 | war | http://www.wdc.com/en/library/sata/2879-001144.pdf |
| 11:57.41 | war | OK we might be getting somewhere |
| 11:57.48 | war | DarkCow: the drive says it has NCQ, yes? |
| 11:58.08 | DarkCow | hm? |
| 11:58.12 | DarkCow | where do I find that out? |
| 11:58.13 | war | DarkCow: when you bought the HDD |
| 11:58.16 | war | DarkCow: it says NCQ? |
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| 11:58.34 | war | http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1343&p_created=1112716146&p_sid=2T6ptWEi&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MSZwX3Byb2RzPSZwX2NhdHM9MTg1JnBfcHY9JnBfY3Y9MS4xODUmcF9wYWdlPTEmcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD1XRDI1MDBLUw**&p_li=&p_topview=1 |
| 11:58.41 | war | http://tinyurl.com/3cjmc6 |
| 11:58.52 | war | bingo |
| 11:58.58 | war | DarkCow: turn off your computer |
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| 11:59.02 | wols_ | war: it does |
| 11:59.04 | war | DarkCow: and set the jumber to sata 150 |
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| 11:59.11 | DarkCow | sure? |
| 11:59.12 | war | your Silicon Image 3112 doesnt support NCQ |
| 11:59.14 | war | AFAIK |
| 11:59.24 | DarkCow | but... |
| 11:59.27 | wols_ | it doesn't you're right (I have a si3112) |
| 11:59.29 | DarkCow | I still get good speeds with no raid? |
| 11:59.35 | war | because pio mode will use 100% cpu |
| 11:59.37 | war | for 1 drive |
| 11:59.40 | war | if you had 4 cpus |
| 11:59.44 | war | you coudl 100% cpu for each drive |
| 11:59.45 | war | then good speed |
| 11:59.49 | war | PIO = retarded |
| 11:59.53 | war | you need DMA on teh drives |
| 11:59.54 | wols_ | DarkCow: yes. your controller can't deal with sata-300 at all |
| 12:00.03 | DarkCow | that's true |
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| 12:00.07 | DarkCow | hmm |
| 12:00.20 | war | DarkCow: so turn it off on all of the drives and then boot your machine and come back and tell us if it fixes it |
| 12:00.23 | wols_ | so even right now it only uses sata150 |
| 12:00.25 | war | DarkCow: show us a dmesg after |
| 12:00.45 | DarkCow | okay, couple secs |
| 12:00.50 | war | it is "OPT 1" |
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| 12:00.57 | war | DarkCow: print the page so you don't jumper it wrong :) |
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| 12:01.27 | DarkCow | it's my server :P, I'll keeep this computer on |
| 12:01.33 | phaedral | howdy all |
| 12:01.47 | war | DarkCow: ok |
| 12:02.03 | DarkCow | so I just set it to SATA/150? |
| 12:02.11 | war | Dark_Apostrophe: set them _all_ to sata/150 |
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| 12:02.22 | war | DarkCow: that is your only hope ;P |
| 12:02.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Huh? |
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| 12:02.36 | war | Dark_Apostrophe: xchat auto-complete is a bitch |
| 12:02.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | war: Please stop using tab-completion, ok? :P |
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| 12:02.46 | phaedral | seems i can't get google pages in lynx from within gnome...tried gnometerminal, rxvt, xterm and xterm-unicode which all are availabe under my Debian/Xshells menu option; lynx http://www.google.com yields a 400 bad request in all |
| 12:02.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | Use Konversation. |
| 12:03.02 | phaedral | but if I try from a virtual console lynx http://www.google.com works just fine... |
| 12:03.05 | phaedral | clues? |
| 12:03.16 | war | phaedral: wow, what version of debian? im going tro try myself |
| 12:03.16 | DarkCow | just to confirm, I put the jumpers on the second column of pins? |
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| 12:03.30 | war | DarkCow: "OPT 1" in that chart |
| 12:03.35 | DarkCow | meanwhile, can you explain why I'm getting good speeds with no RAID? :-S |
| 12:03.39 | war | phaedral: works with debian testing |
| 12:03.39 | phaedral | stable |
| 12:03.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | phaedral: Try elinks or links2 |
| 12:03.42 | larsl | phaedral: Different environment variables maybe? Proxys etc? |
| 12:03.45 | war | DarkCow: I already told you |
| 12:03.51 | war | DarkCow: PIO mode can only handle 1 drive |
| 12:03.55 | phaedral | larsl: nothing I've tweaked |
| 12:03.57 | war | DarkCow: because it will use 100% of your cpu |
| 12:03.58 | wreis | !TFTP server |
| 12:03.59 | phaedral | no proxies |
| 12:04.05 | war | DarkCow: no more cpu for the other HDD |
| 12:04.10 | larsl | phaedral: What happens if you ssh to the local machine from a rxvt window and run it in there? |
| 12:04.13 | DarkCow | but the CPU doesn't hit 100 without raid |
| 12:04.17 | wols_ | DarkCow: define "good speeds". PIO only goes up to 16MB/s |
| 12:04.21 | war | Dark_Apostrophe: you need DMA |
| 12:04.26 | war | DarkCow: you need DMA, end of story rrealy |
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| 12:04.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | war: And you need Konversation. |
| 12:04.46 | war | lol |
| 12:04.50 | war | I like my xchat :) |
| 12:04.53 | phaedral | larsl: that works... |
| 12:04.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | war: http://konversation.kde.org/ |
| 12:04.56 | DarkCow | ~35MB/s |
| 12:05.08 | Azar | phaedral: lynx and links2 are ment to run from command line... on a term |
| 12:05.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | There, have fun |
| 12:05.26 | phaedral | but I'll be darned if I know what it means that it works |
| 12:05.32 | Azar | irssi rules, xchat is for girls |
| 12:05.34 | wreis | where can i find tftp servers? |
| 12:05.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | nvz: irssi is good if you're GUI-less |
| 12:05.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | nvz: I like it, really I do. |
| 12:05.43 | Azar | Dark_Apostrophe: not true |
| 12:05.47 | phaedral | Azar: right, that's why I use them; I do most of my work in screen... |
| 12:05.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | nvz: But when in X, I only use Konvi. |
| 12:05.51 | nvz | Dark_Apostrophe: RFC1459 is GUI-less |
| 12:05.52 | war | DarkCow: show me dmesg after you fix jumpers |
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| 12:05.57 | larsl | phaedral: Have you touched the "Network proxy settings" in gnome-control-center? |
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| 12:06.06 | Azar | phaedral: so why you need gnome or kde then? |
| 12:06.07 | tralala | Dark_Apostrophe, irssi is good if you're guiful too |
| 12:06.09 | phaedral | larsl: don't think so but will open and look |
| 12:06.15 | DarkCow | will do |
| 12:06.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | tralala: Maybe, but it's just not my preference. |
| 12:06.22 | wreis | wols_: ping! |
| 12:06.33 | Azar | nvz, is still sunday around |
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| 12:06.59 | wols_ | !pong |
| 12:06.59 | dpkg | well, pong is the best name on IRC eg. /ping pong, or *the* classic video game |
| 12:07.07 | phaedral | Azar: 'cause boingboing looks like hell in lynx... ;) |
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| 12:07.17 | wreis | wols_: scroll up |
| 12:07.18 | wols_ | phaedral: links -g |
| 12:07.18 | Azar | wtf is boingboing? |
| 12:07.28 | wols_ | !tftp |
| 12:07.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tftp is the trivial file transfer protocol. an insecure file transfer protocol without authentification designed to transfer trivial files to diskless clients. |
| 12:07.33 | war | Azar: popular website |
| 12:07.37 | Azar | ah |
| 12:07.40 | wols_ | !tell wreis about search |
| 12:07.42 | phaedral | larsl: proxy configuration set to direct internet connection |
| 12:07.45 | Azar | phaedral: ever tried links2 ? |
| 12:07.49 | larsl | phaedral: Hm. Don't know then. |
| 12:08.04 | phaedral | Azar: have not tried links2, will apt-get and give a whirl... |
| 12:08.32 | larsl | phaedral: But my guess is still something with environment variables... maybe you could print them all both in a virtual terminal and RXVT and compare. |
| 12:08.32 | phaedral | larsl: thanks anyway...it's a clue |
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| 12:10.11 | Azar | hmm something new ... no more "root" or "username" |
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| 12:12.16 | war | anyone here ever setup their own RBL or RHSBL dns server? |
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| 12:17.00 | Azar | gmail allways sucked, Germany to close it down |
| 12:17.20 | dvs | Azar: how can the government close it down? |
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| 12:17.56 | Azar | dvs: my bad.. wrong wording, Germany to make google close gmail down |
| 12:18.07 | Azar | http://blogs.zdnet.com/Google/?p=626 |
| 12:18.27 | cast | germany is not the worlds government, at best surely all they can do is remove its presence from germany |
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| 12:18.30 | Azar | I never trusted gmail from day 1. Tried it only one day than bailed out of it |
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| 12:19.58 | wols_ | is there any virtualiazion solution that lets me run beryl in the client? |
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| 12:20.26 | amphi | wols_: ISTR someone saying on #beryl that someone had got it to run with mesa on qemu |
| 12:20.51 | wols_ | cast: this requirement there applies to ALL members of the EU btw. germany implements a EU directive on data retention |
| 12:20.58 | amphi | I don't imagine it was too snappy though |
| 12:21.05 | wols_ | amphi: that's software 3D? |
| 12:21.34 | amphi | wols_: yeah, opengl in software |
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| 12:21.59 | cast | Azar: wait, reading this "According to this law, email services here will be forced to maintain personally identifiable records attached to email accounts" you think googles the problem? |
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| 12:22.29 | Azar | which google does it anyway... it just does not like to hand it over "on orders" |
| 12:22.37 | litage | i ran ``apt-get source libarts1c2a && sudo apt-get build-dep libarts1c2a'' and applied my patch. when i built the package though, multiple packages were created. which one(s) should i install?: http://rafb.net/p/DEIZKi60.html |
| 12:23.36 | wols_ | cast: and mandatory identification for email accounts isn't in the law anymore btw. kinda silly when you can go to hotmail.com or any other free mail provider on a whim |
| 12:23.37 | Azar | if usdj would request the existing records, google would, ultimately succumb... but this is not usdj.. is eu |
| 12:23.50 | wols_ | litage: all of them? |
| 12:24.13 | amphi | great, so .de has fully jumped aboard the moronic legislation train ;( |
| 12:24.17 | wols_ | Azar: that too. how do you know they didn't sucumb already. all in the name of WoT |
| 12:24.19 | Azar | wols_: yeah but they get you by your IP, by reading your messages...etc |
| 12:24.20 | litage | wols_: all of them definitely need to be installed? |
| 12:24.28 | wols_ | amphi: we jumped on that before |
| 12:24.39 | wols_ | litage: you isntalle then always |
| 12:24.48 | amphi | wols_: it's filling up ;) |
| 12:25.12 | Azar | yep |
| 12:25.22 | wols_ | Azar: yes, as I said: data retention laws. EU wide. 6 months to 18 monts retention of every URL you get, of every mail header you receive and send. with IP and time/date |
| 12:25.23 | amphi | Azar: WoT? you mean TWAT? ;) |
| 12:25.29 | phaedral | am looking at printenv results for virt console, from w/in gnome, and ssh to local host; one thing that shows up is SHLVL, which is 3 in gnome but 1 in the virt cosole and ssh to local host... |
| 12:25.48 | phaedral | might that affect my lynx/google problem? |
| 12:26.09 | cast | Azar: my two cents: sure, gmail isn't to be trusted. but neither is hotmail or yahoo. use gpg or a provider that you can trust, which would be either yourself or a friend imho |
| 12:26.22 | cast | and/or that should say :) |
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| 12:26.54 | Azar | cast: correct, and I use a very old account made when there were no such paranoia around |
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| 12:28.16 | HostilePenguin | im so sick of governments wanting to know what your looking at all the time its none of their business they are the sickest of sick child molesting satanic freaks i cant wait until they have to take their medicine |
| 12:28.35 | cast | i really wish all this paranoia about gmail would push people to using encryption for things they wish to be secret, rather than scare mongering |
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| 12:29.32 | wols_ | cast: secured email with webmail is impossible |
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| 12:29.43 | wols_ | and people love their webmail. they are also morons of course |
| 12:29.46 | amphi | cast: I think it's illegal in .fr and .ru to use gpg without a license from the state |
| 12:29.49 | Azar | in several cases, in court, the person accused of a crime was found that he/she "googled" for this and that... his email used against him |
| 12:29.55 | wols_ | amphi: wrong |
| 12:30.13 | amphi | wols_: are you sure? |
| 12:30.14 | cast | amphi: in .au the magistrate can demand you hand over keys :( |
| 12:30.21 | war | DarkCow: how's it comin? |
| 12:30.29 | DarkCow | ah, I was just about to say |
| 12:30.40 | DarkCow | I was re-arranging the drives to improve the airflow |
| 12:30.43 | DarkCow | it's booting now |
| 12:30.49 | wols_ | amphi: I am an eu citizen, so yes I am sure Idon't need a license |
| 12:30.54 | wols_ | however, e.g. UK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIP_Act |
| 12:31.19 | amphi | wols_: in .fr you do, I believe - or it's just completely forbidden |
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| 12:31.58 | wols_ | I still see .fr users use ssh... |
| 12:32.15 | amphi | I didn't say the law was obeyed... ;) |
| 12:32.16 | wols_ | btw: security.debian.org doesn't encompass contrib and non-free does it? |
| 12:32.33 | HostilePenguin | Australia can arrest you for not voting??? that is the most moronic thing i have ever heard |
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| 12:32.38 | wols_ | or are security updates guaranteed for thme too? |
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| 12:34.04 | cast | HostilePenguin: i thought it was a fine, i umm...yeah, i think i'm guilty there |
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| 12:35.42 | DarkCow | war, you are a saint. I can't thank you enough. |
| 12:35.57 | DarkCow | thanks for your help too, wols_ |
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| 12:36.35 | DarkCow | it's still only 24MB/s, but that makes sense with the various overheads |
| 12:36.37 | HostilePenguin | telling you that you have to vote is one step away from telling you who to vote for |
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| 12:37.15 | cast | HostilePenguin: as i understand it our two major parties are quite similar, too |
| 12:37.37 | HostilePenguin | all new world order bull crap |
| 12:37.54 | war | DarkCow: wow |
| 12:37.56 | war | DarkCow: very good news |
| 12:38.04 | DarkCow | :D |
| 12:38.10 | war | DarkCow: you can make it faster probably too but it seems ua re happy ;) |
| 12:38.17 | cast | au was never the land of the free as far as i know, i do not think we have free speech. we still have crypto export restrictions too |
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| 12:38.40 | DarkCow | okay, other than changing the FS (I'm not going to do that at this stage), how can I optimise it? |
| 12:38.48 | war | Dark_Apostrophe: first off |
| 12:38.53 | war | DarkCow: you made the wrong chunk size |
| 12:38.59 | war | DarkCow: you should have use 128kb |
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| 12:39.01 | war | DarkCow: but anyway |
| 12:39.04 | alexou | salut |
| 12:39.08 | war | DarkCow: try this |
| 12:39.12 | alexou | with fglrx driver what is the options VideoOverlay and OpenGLOverlay |
| 12:39.23 | war | DarkCow: wait |
| 12:39.26 | war | DarkCow: how much memory? |
| 12:39.31 | DarkCow | 512MB |
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| 12:39.48 | wols_ | DarkCow: 24MB is not RAID speed. it'S single Disk speed. that disk should give you around 50MB/s+ |
| 12:39.54 | cilkay | Hello. I have a fresh installation of Etch on a server at a colo facility. I had to use mii-tool to set the NIC to 100BaseTx full-duplex or otherwise, the network performance was very poor. If I do "/etc/init.d/networking restart", eth0 will not come back up. I have to "ifup eth0", which is something I obviously cannot do from a shell that I get via ssh. |
| 12:40.09 | cilkay | If I didn't have a KVM over IP unit attached to this machine, I'd never be able to bring up networking. |
| 12:40.12 | war | DarkCow: ic.. |
| 12:40.15 | DarkCow | wols_, that's RAID 5 write |
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| 12:40.26 | war | DarkCow: run this |
| 12:40.39 | war | DarkCow: cat /sys/block/md0md/stripe_cache_size |
| 12:40.42 | war | DarkCow: what does it say? |
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| 12:41.01 | DarkCow | 256 |
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| 12:41.20 | war | DarkCow: ok lets try this |
| 12:41.25 | war | DarkCow: echo 1024 > /sys/block/md3/md/stripe_cache_size |
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| 12:41.28 | war | DarkCow: then re-run your dd |
| 12:41.29 | cilkay | Is eth0 not coming back up because of this nonsense of having to set the NIC to full-duplex via mii-tool? |
| 12:41.46 | DarkCow | you mean md0, right? not md3 |
| 12:41.50 | war | DarkCow: oops yep |
| 12:41.57 | DarkCow | kk |
| 12:42.09 | DarkCow | it's safe to do this while a big cp is running, right? |
| 12:42.31 | war | DarkCow: yes |
| 12:42.33 | war | DarkCow: but |
| 12:42.38 | war | DarkCow: wiat until its done |
| 12:42.41 | war | DarkCow: is safer |
| 12:42.50 | DarkCow | I "ctrl-z"ed the cp |
| 12:42.55 | DarkCow | dd-ing now |
| 12:43.06 | war | did you make the change to the stripe_Cache size? |
| 12:43.19 | DarkCow | 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 43.2907 seconds, 24.8 MB/s |
| 12:43.21 | DarkCow | yep |
| 12:43.30 | war | you may truley be I/O bound |
| 12:43.45 | war | DarkCow: only 3 hdd? |
| 12:43.51 | DarkCow | at this point, yes |
| 12:43.56 | war | DarkCow: you can also run |
| 12:44.00 | SoulChild | hahah guys did you know this : |
| 12:44.01 | war | blockdev --setra 65536 /dev/md0 |
| 12:44.01 | SoulChild | !sex |
| 12:44.02 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 12:44.22 | war | DarkCow: but use 8192 |
| 12:44.30 | war | DarkCow: that setting is for my monster box ;P |
| 12:44.32 | SoulChild | LOL |
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| 12:44.55 | DarkCow | while live? |
| 12:45.37 | war | DarkCow: yep |
| 12:45.43 | HostilePenguin | someone needs to remove that from dpkg |
| 12:46.31 | DarkCow | 27.9 MB/s |
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| 12:46.41 | war | DarkCow: now we're getting somewhere |
| 12:46.49 | DarkCow | :) |
| 12:47.00 | war | I am also investigationg the max_sectors_kb |
| 12:47.05 | rokra | Hello |
| 12:47.07 | war | I will let you know my findings soon |
| 12:47.11 | DarkCow | mkay, thanks |
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| 12:47.28 | SoulChild | How do i clear old log-files ? |
| 12:48.04 | cipo | $ apt-cache search condom |
| 12:48.04 | cipo | $ |
| 12:48.07 | cipo | :D |
| 12:48.37 | war | DarkCow: small optimization |
| 12:48.43 | war | DarkCow: but it appears 128k is optimal |
| 12:48.51 | DarkCow | am I going to have to run these at every boot? |
| 12:48.53 | war | DarkCow: cat /sys/block/sdb/queue/max_sectors_kb |
| 12:48.58 | war | DarkCow: yes |
| 12:49.02 | DarkCow | 512 |
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| 12:49.10 | war | DarkCow: I just ran with 1024 vs. 128 |
| 12:49.10 | DarkCow | mkay, I'll put them in my "initstuff" |
| 12:49.15 | war | DarkCow: 128=optimal |
| 12:49.22 | war | DarkCow: saved 10-20 seconds with bonnie++ |
| 12:49.28 | war | DarkCow: for each hdd |
| 12:49.38 | war | DarkCow: echo 128 > /sys/block/drive/queue/max_sectors_kb |
| 12:50.00 | cast | cipo: apt-file search condom |
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| 12:51.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | war: Get konversation, dammit! |
| 12:51.19 | xlotlu_ | how is allow-hotplug supposed to work for an interface? |
| 12:52.06 | wols_ | xlotlu_: supposedly enables it if you put it the hardware in /usb or pcmcia) |
| 12:52.13 | wols_ | just use auto if it's fixed |
| 12:53.06 | war | DarkCow: any improvement? |
| 12:53.12 | DarkCow | just checking now |
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| 12:53.19 | cipo | cast, i think i have to add: deb http://sex.debian.org/debian etch contrib to sources.list :p |
| 12:53.22 | war | DarkCow: probably will be subtle |
| 12:53.36 | cilkay | If I restart networking, eth0 that was working prior to that doesn't come back up. I have to manually ifup eth0. Why is this happening? |
| 12:53.41 | DarkCow | no, it's back at 25.3MB/s |
| 12:53.56 | war | DarkCow: btw |
| 12:53.58 | DarkCow | going to try again at 512 |
| 12:54.00 | Azar | cipo please do not use girly "away" scripts here |
| 12:54.01 | war | DarkCow: you should never use 1 dd |
| 12:54.09 | war | DarkCow: I always use at lesat 3 and take the average |
| 12:54.19 | xlotlu | any way to automatically take a wired interface down when the link is gone? |
| 12:54.21 | DarkCow | yeah, I know :-/ |
| 12:54.22 | cipo | Azar, sorry |
| 12:54.41 | DarkCow | it does look better at 512 for me |
| 12:54.55 | war | Dark_Apostrophe: I am going to bench with 512 as well |
| 12:55.05 | war | Dark_Apostrophe: in about 10min |
| 12:55.15 | war | Dark_Apostrophe: do me a favor |
| 12:55.18 | war | run this |
| 12:55.24 | war | apt-get install bonnie++ |
| 12:55.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Huh? |
| 12:55.36 | Azar | hehehe |
| 12:55.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Bloody fuck, get a decent IRC client, will ya? :P |
| 12:55.48 | war | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.56 | war | where /x/test is your raid array |
| 12:56.00 | Azar | war: wrong person |
| 12:56.07 | war | DarkCow: then show me the results when done pls |
| 12:56.10 | war | Dark_Apostrophe: :( |
| 12:56.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | war: http://konversation.kde.org/ |
| 12:56.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | war: There, now install it. |
| 12:56.51 | war | I don't like konv. |
| 12:56.56 | Azar | ok which one of you two will make me a coffee now? I haven't slept all night looking at you, war |
| 12:56.58 | DarkCow | xchat >> konversation |
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| 12:57.30 | DarkCow | heh |
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| 12:57.46 | me | hey all |
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| 12:58.53 | `Starke | quick question |
| 12:59.06 | `Starke | how do i link libraries in debian |
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| 12:59.28 | cilkay | I found out why eth0 wasn't coming back up after networking restart. Needed "auto eth0" instead of the stupid "allow-hotplug eth0" the stupid installer put in "interfaces". |
| 12:59.51 | wols_ | `Starke: man ld |
| 12:59.54 | DarkCow | war, I've set that off. I'll brb |
| 13:00.01 | wols_ | but usually gcc wil do it for you |
| 13:00.05 | war | DarkCow: k |
| 13:00.09 | phaedral | fwiw, the ubuntu bug tracker had this one, it's their 27253 at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lynx/+bug/27253; I commented there my experiences trying virt console and ssh to localhost |
| 13:00.23 | cilkay | Why the stupid installer would assume every machine is a laptop where the NIC could be hot plugged/unplugged is beyond me. |
| 13:00.48 | Frozen | yup, it annoyed me too cil |
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| 13:03.40 | cilkay | Where would the proper place be to put "mii-tool --force=100BaseTx-FD" so that the NIC would be set to full-duplex on startup? rc.local perhaps? |
| 13:03.43 | edistar | when is a NIC hot plugged/unpluggen? |
| 13:03.54 | cilkay | In a laptop. |
| 13:03.59 | edistar | always? |
| 13:04.05 | cilkay | not necessarily |
| 13:04.24 | cilkay | If you have a PC Card, you might hot-unplug it. |
| 13:04.37 | edistar | okey |
| 13:04.56 | cilkay | I have a wired and wireless card. Only one can be in the PC Card slot at a time due to physical limitations. |
| 13:05.13 | cilkay | I'd have to unplug the wired to plug in the wireless. It would come in handy then. |
| 13:05.22 | cast | all this time i thought that refered to the eth cable |
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| 13:05.54 | liable | i dont recall the installer doing that to me on my laptops |
| 13:05.56 | liable | even |
| 13:06.24 | cilkay | Well, it did it on a *server* where the chances or hot plugging or unplugging the NIC are slim to none. |
| 13:06.26 | xlotlu | i wish there was a way to refer to the eth cable, i want the interface to go down when the link is lost |
| 13:06.38 | liable | and it didnt do it on my server either |
| 13:06.51 | phaedral | and now I've found debian bug 254515, better late than never, which shows the same workaround and claims the problem is fixed as of lynx 2.8.6...which isn't in etch |
| 13:07.25 | liable | xlotlu: when link is lost? like unplugged? |
| 13:07.25 | \amethyst | phaedral: what about lynx-cur ? |
| 13:07.40 | phaedral | \amethyst: not familiar with it |
| 13:07.46 | phaedral | is that an apt-get option? |
| 13:07.51 | DarkCow | so war, tell me about your setup |
| 13:07.57 | phaedral | like apt-get install lynx-cur? |
| 13:08.04 | xlotlu | liable: yeah. if i unplug the cable, i want ifdown to be called on the itnerface, and ifup when i plug it.. |
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| 13:08.12 | \amethyst | phaedral: Yes, it's a package of the development version of lynx |
| 13:08.19 | liable | xlotlu: ifplugd package |
| 13:08.25 | war | Dark_Apostrophe: http://iniquity.net/~war/raptors.jpg |
| 13:08.33 | phaedral | will try that; will I need to diddle my sources for that to work? |
| 13:08.35 | DarkCow | heh |
| 13:08.37 | war | Dark_Apostrophe: http://iniquity.net/~war/stacker.jpg |
| 13:08.40 | DarkCow | he is going to be so damn annoyed |
| 13:08.47 | xlotlu | liable: pretty thanks |
| 13:08.58 | DarkCow | holy cow that's awesome |
| 13:09.03 | \amethyst | phaedral: nope, it's in etch |
| 13:09.04 | DarkCow | I want |
| 13:09.10 | phaedral | rockin! |
| 13:09.13 | war | Dark_Apostrophe: 622MB/s read , ~434MB/s write |
| 13:09.17 | war | Dark_Apostrophe: XFS |
| 13:09.36 | DarkCow | insane |
| 13:09.45 | DarkCow | what RAID config? |
| 13:09.48 | war | Dark_Apostrophe: Software RAID5 |
| 13:09.49 | DarkCow | 5? |
| 13:09.51 | war | yup |
| 13:09.53 | DarkCow | right |
| 13:09.55 | war | 10 drives = raid5 |
| 13:09.58 | war | 2 drives = raid 1 |
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| 13:10.03 | war | all raptor 150 ADFDs |
| 13:10.06 | l-fy | ok guys |
| 13:10.09 | l-fy | debian suxx |
| 13:10.11 | liable | eh? |
| 13:10.15 | war | l-fy: wtf? |
| 13:10.16 | l-fy | it just took yet anoth 2 hours in my life |
| 13:10.19 | dvs | l-fy: that's nice |
| 13:10.22 | phaedral | is that a general strategy for getting an updated version of a specific app w/o having to pull from testing, like apt-cache search app-cur? |
| 13:10.32 | DarkCow | does the r/w speed grow with the number of drives or what? |
| 13:10.32 | l-fy | get a new life guys and start doing something that works |
| 13:10.34 | \amethyst | phaedral: no, that's specific to lynx |
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| 13:10.39 | DarkCow | haha |
| 13:10.43 | war | DarkCow: as long as they are on PCI-e, yes |
| 13:10.43 | stoned | Synergy is the bomb diggity |
| 13:10.49 | war | DarkCow: PCI caps out at 133MB/s |
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| 13:10.56 | DarkCow | how much did the whole thing cost you? |
| 13:11.05 | war | DarkCow: and with PCI bus you will never get more than 37-42MB/s write for raid5 |
| 13:11.09 | stoned | pci is the same speed as ide? |
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| 13:11.13 | war | DarkCow: dunno I get $30 rebate off each raptor |
| 13:11.19 | cilkay | l-fy obviously read "How to Make Friends and Influence People" |
| 13:11.23 | war | stoned: yea |
| 13:11.30 | stoned | thats a really good book btw |
| 13:11.37 | dvs | stoned: just about: 132MB/s |
| 13:11.40 | phaedral | \amethyst: thx bunches |
| 13:11.44 | stoned | dvs: mornin |
| 13:11.47 | DarkCow | hurmm |
| 13:11.49 | dvs | stoned: hello |
| 13:11.58 | DarkCow | so that's for the whole PCI bus, total? |
| 13:12.01 | war | DarkCow: but for read speed us hould see good speeds |
| 13:12.04 | war | DarkCow: that is correct |
| 13:12.07 | DarkCow | damn |
| 13:12.08 | war | DarkCow: I used to do what you did |
| 13:12.18 | war | DarkCow: I had 10 x 400GB, 3.3TB raid5 |
| 13:12.29 | stoned | oh you bastige |
| 13:12.31 | war | DarkCow: but as you add hdd to riad5 on pci bus it get slower |
| 13:12.33 | dvs | DarkCow: that's why PCIe is better, that's on a per slot limit |
| 13:12.36 | stoned | I only have 1.8tb |
| 13:12.38 | stoned | :( |
| 13:12.51 | war | I was thinking 1TB x 12 but I don't need th eroom |
| 13:12.52 | war | I prefer speed |
| 13:12.56 | DarkCow | so how are you connecting these? |
| 13:12.57 | war | DarkCow: btw what do you get for that bonnie++? |
| 13:13.01 | DarkCow | tx4s on pci-e? |
| 13:13.04 | war | hell no |
| 13:13.08 | war | There are 2-port PCI-e cards |
| 13:13.10 | war | for $19.99 |
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| 13:13.18 | war | 03:00.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3132 Serial ATA Raid II Controller (rev 01) |
| 13:13.20 | war | $19.99 |
| 13:13.26 | war | and each one = x1 pci-e |
| 13:13.30 | war | so get four of them, 8 drives |
| 13:13.33 | DarkCow | http://rafb.net/p/Gws4mr83.html |
| 13:13.33 | dvs | war: but is it hardware RAID? |
| 13:13.35 | war | and p965 chipset = 6 sata ports |
| 13:13.38 | war | dvs: sw raid |
| 13:13.45 | war | dvs: basic controller |
| 13:13.47 | war | like a promise |
| 13:14.16 | war | DarkCow: ah |
| 13:14.20 | DarkCow | well, that's truly awesome |
| 13:14.21 | war | DarkCow: what do you get for read speed? |
| 13:14.30 | war | DarkCow: dd if=/dev/zero of=file.out bs=1M count=10240 |
| 13:14.32 | war | make af ile |
| 13:14.33 | war | then read it |
| 13:14.43 | war | DarkCow: dd if=file.out of=/dev/null bs=1M count=10240 |
| 13:14.55 | war | DarkCow: you should get good read speed with those optimizations I mentioned |
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| 13:15.11 | DarkCow | 61.9 MB/s :) |
| 13:15.25 | war | DarkCow: hm not too shabby |
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| 13:15.41 | war | DarkCow: you used what for the readahead? |
| 13:15.42 | war | 8192? |
| 13:15.44 | war | try 65536 |
| 13:15.46 | war | blockdev --setra 65536 /dev/md3 |
| 13:15.49 | war | then tell me read speed again please |
| 13:15.51 | DarkCow | mkay |
| 13:16.07 | gary | When opening a file in oocalc command line, it prints I18N: Operating system doesn't support locale "" and freezes. No more error messages, and oocalc doesn't open |
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| 13:16.12 | gary | Any ideas what the cause of this is? |
| 13:16.30 | war | gary, try export LANG=C |
| 13:16.33 | war | gary: then re-launch oocalc |
| 13:16.50 | war | DarkCow: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1030127070 |
| 13:16.55 | war | DarkCow: not mine but pretty sexy |
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| 13:17.20 | DarkCow | nice |
| 13:17.41 | war | Dark_Apostrophe: read speed after using 64mb readahead? any better? |
| 13:18.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | war: Please stop using tab completion. |
| 13:18.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | war: Please. |
| 13:18.20 | DarkCow | nope |
| 13:18.28 | DarkCow | only 56MB/s |
| 13:18.29 | war | DarkCow: hmm, worse? |
| 13:18.29 | gary | war: no luck there. ooffice does open, but when I select to open an oocalc file it freezes |
| 13:18.36 | gary | war: and oocalc does not even open |
| 13:18.38 | war | DarkCow: experiment |
| 13:18.44 | war | DarkCow: try 32768, 16384, 8192, 4096 |
| 13:18.45 | DarkCow | will do |
| 13:18.46 | war | k |
| 13:18.51 | war | gary: hmm |
| 13:18.57 | war | gary: can I try opening the fiele? |
| 13:19.10 | gary | war, you mean send you the file? |
| 13:19.18 | h3sp4wn | DarkCow: You would get alot better performance if you just got a decent controller - do you have a 66mhz pc slot ? |
| 13:19.24 | war | unless someone else has any ideas |
| 13:19.26 | h3sp4wn | DarkCow: *pci slot |
| 13:19.36 | war | h3sp4wn: its a amd 1500 I doubt he has 66mhz pci slots |
| 13:19.43 | war | or amd1800 I think |
| 13:19.46 | DarkCow | 1700+ |
| 13:19.53 | DarkCow | or 1800+ |
| 13:19.54 | DarkCow | not sure |
| 13:19.58 | DarkCow | it's clocked at 1700+ |
| 13:20.06 | war | dark, its a standard motherboard desktop right? |
| 13:20.11 | war | dark it was less than $200? |
| 13:20.23 | DarkCow | probably |
| 13:20.26 | DarkCow | it's quite old now |
| 13:20.26 | war | http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/77909585/m/607001304831 |
| 13:20.32 | war | Dark_Apostrophe: then most likely no 66mhz pci |
| 13:21.02 | DarkCow | mmmmm |
| 13:21.45 | war | DarkCow: mostly server motherboards have it |
| 13:21.51 | war | Dark_Apostrophe: not desktop |
| 13:21.57 | dvs | heh |
| 13:22.15 | h3sp4wn | Why would you run a raid on anything other than a server motherboard though ? shrug |
| 13:22.25 | DarkCow | cheap? |
| 13:22.29 | DarkCow | it's what I have |
| 13:22.38 | war | yup, same here |
| 13:22.42 | war | desktop pci-e is unreal fast |
| 13:22.43 | h3sp4wn | But if you are spending money on the disks |
| 13:22.46 | war | I have seen 860MB/s aggregate |
| 13:22.52 | DarkCow | war, 4096 seems to give me the best results |
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| 13:23.04 | war | DarkCow: it will be on a case-by-case basis, good to know, what wa the final results? |
| 13:23.21 | Blackgoth | lba64 plx, areca 1120 and 8 500GB disks in raid0 :) |
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| 13:23.32 | \amethyst | `Starke: what exactly are you wanting to do? |
| 13:23.35 | war | Blackgoth: very impressive |
| 13:23.38 | DarkCow | 56MB/s at 65536 |
| 13:23.51 | DarkCow | 58 at 32768 |
| 13:23.52 | `Starke | link libvorbisfile.so.3 |
| 13:23.52 | war | blackbart: however, fall of 2007 the I/O 348/intel 800mhz cpu in areca 1260s? coming out that would be interesting |
| 13:23.59 | `Starke | \amethyst: |
| 13:24.04 | DarkCow | 58 at 16384 |
| 13:24.06 | wols_ | Blackgoth: you must have a small penis. poor you |
| 13:24.07 | Blackgoth | true war :) |
| 13:24.17 | DarkCow | 63 at 4096 |
| 13:24.20 | war | Blackgoth: what speeds do you get? |
| 13:24.23 | war | Dark_Apostrophe: holy cow :)!! |
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| 13:24.26 | DarkCow | 62 at 2048 |
| 13:24.27 | war | Dark_Apostrophe: 63mB/s nice nice !! |
| 13:24.35 | Blackgoth | ~900MB/s read |
| 13:24.48 | war | Dark_Apostrophe: you can also experiment with stripe_cache too |
| 13:24.52 | war | Blackgoth: yes but you do realize the aggressive caching on the areca cards |
| 13:24.55 | war | Blackgoth: :) |
| 13:25.00 | Blackgoth | yep :p |
| 13:25.16 | war | still sexy though |
| 13:25.18 | war | what do you use it for? |
| 13:25.19 | Blackgoth | and no, i wont disable cache |
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| 13:25.33 | Blackgoth | for rendering HD movies |
| 13:25.37 | war | nice |
| 13:25.49 | DarkCow | well, thanks a lot, war |
| 13:25.53 | war | DarkCow: np. |
| 13:25.56 | stoned | hey |
| 13:25.59 | stoned | what? |
| 13:25.59 | war | DarkCow: there's also file system optimizations |
| 13:26.05 | war | DarkCow: XFS may speed it up a few MB/s more |
| 13:26.06 | DarkCow | I'll keep experimenting after I add the final drive |
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| 13:26.48 | war | DarkCow: cool when do you plan on adding the 4th? |
| 13:26.51 | war | DarkCow: you know you can expand the raid5 |
| 13:26.53 | DarkCow | today |
| 13:26.56 | war | DarkCow: if you use 2.6.20 or so or later |
| 13:26.59 | war | DarkCow: but |
| 13:27.06 | DarkCow | as soon as this finishes copying |
| 13:27.09 | war | DarkCow: then th filesystem is no longer optimized for the array after you grow it |
| 13:27.10 | war | DarkCow: k |
| 13:27.14 | `Starke | \amethyst lemme just explain my entire problem |
| 13:27.26 | DarkCow | hmm, can't I do it with .18? |
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| 13:27.42 | xlotlu | ifplugd works nicely.. now only if i could make out why ifrename doesn't want to do the job |
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| 13:27.52 | war | Dark_Apostrophe: I forget the version it wcame out in |
| 13:27.55 | war | Dark_Apostrophe: it needs to be a new version |
| 13:28.00 | DarkCow | oki |
| 13:28.01 | war | and the option nees to be enabled |
| 13:28.36 | war | DarCow: nice |
| 13:29.09 | `Starke | \amethyst: i wanna run stepmania when i run stepmania i get this error "./stepmania: error while loading shared libraries: libvorbisfile.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 13:29.09 | `Starke | " |
| 13:29.31 | war | `Starke: do me a favor |
| 13:29.36 | war | `Starke: after you apt-get install libvorbis |
| 13:29.37 | `Starke | yes? |
| 13:29.43 | war | `Starke: updatedb; locate libvorbisfile |
| 13:29.47 | war | `Starke: what shows up? |
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| 13:29.52 | DarCow | when I add this 4th drive, do you think the performance will increase or decrease? |
| 13:29.57 | wols_ | dpkg -l |grep vorbis |
| 13:29.57 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep vorbis |
| 13:30.12 | stoned | wols_: hi |
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| 13:30.13 | wols_ | dpkg: shutup |
| 13:30.13 | dpkg | yes master, I'll STFU |
| 13:30.18 | war | DarCow: for reads it will increase |
| 13:30.25 | war | DarCow: for writes it will a little bit |
| 13:30.36 | DarCow | okay, good |
| 13:30.36 | war | DarCow: your numbers will also have to be changed |
| 13:30.44 | DarCow | ah, mkay |
| 13:30.47 | war | DarCow: because adding anotehr disk-> you need to re-benchmark etc |
| 13:31.34 | DarCow | -S RAID-stride The resize2fs program will heuristically determine the RAID stride that was specified when the filesystem was created. This option allows the user to explicitly specify a RAID stride setting to be used by resize2fs instead. |
| 13:31.41 | war | DarCow: or just use XFS |
| 13:31.50 | `Starke | did the updatedb |
| 13:31.51 | DarCow | can that help me? |
| 13:31.55 | war | DarCow: XFS is the fastest performing filesystem , well , pretty close compared to JFS |
| 13:31.58 | `Starke | now its doing stuff |
| 13:31.58 | war | DarCow: possibly |
| 13:32.05 | war | DarCow: If USED properly, yes |
| 13:32.11 | war | DarCow: it is a PIA determining the stride size though |
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| 13:32.21 | war | DarCow: it must also correlate with chunk size and sector size etc |
| 13:32.23 | DarCow | well, I already have data on it, so I can't really change the FS now |
| 13:32.33 | war | DarCow: you cant xfer it elsewhere? |
| 13:32.38 | DarCow | not really :-/ |
| 13:32.41 | war | ouch |
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| 13:33.29 | `Starke | war: |
| 13:33.31 | DarCow | well, I'm satisfied with the performance now, anyway |
| 13:33.34 | `Starke | http://pastebin.ca/587299 |
| 13:33.42 | war | DarCow: k |
| 13:33.44 | war | `Starke: sec |
| 13:33.53 | Blackgoth | DarCow: software raid? |
| 13:34.00 | DarCow | yes |
| 13:34.00 | war | <`Starke> \amethyst: i wanna run stepmania when i run stepmania i get this error "./stepmania: error while loading shared libraries: libvorbisfile.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 13:34.03 | war | /usr/lib/libvorbisfile.so.3 |
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| 13:34.26 | war | `Starke: um, it should work? run ldconfig -v -v also export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_CONFIG |
| 13:34.28 | war | `Starke: um, it should work? run ldconfig -v -v also export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 13:34.29 | war | rather |
| 13:34.35 | war | and ./program gain |
| 13:34.45 | Blackgoth | my software array: Timing buffered disk reads: 208 MB in 3.01 seconds = 69.01 MB/sec |
| 13:35.14 | war | raid1? |
| 13:35.22 | Blackgoth | raid0 |
| 13:35.25 | Blackgoth | old disks :P |
| 13:35.28 | war | ah |
| 13:35.33 | war | you like them raid0 eh ;) |
| 13:35.40 | Blackgoth | 2x250GB sata and 2x250GB ide |
| 13:35.44 | war | gotcha |
| 13:35.50 | Blackgoth | war: useless data :) |
| 13:35.56 | war | lol |
| 13:35.56 | war | k |
| 13:36.05 | `Starke | war: same |
| 13:36.29 | war | `Starke: then your program is broken |
| 13:36.38 | `Starke | war: ldconfig: relative path `also' used to build cache |
| 13:36.48 | `Starke | does that matter? |
| 13:37.05 | war | `Starke: cat /etc/ld.so.conf |
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| 13:37.27 | war | DarCow: http://www.monkeysushi.net/hobbies/computing/raid%20performance.html |
| 13:37.29 | war | DarCow: some more info |
| 13:37.42 | DarCow | thanks |
| 13:37.47 | war | DarCow: np. |
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| 13:38.06 | DarCow | can you explain why writing to RAID 5 is slower than to a single disk? |
| 13:38.09 | war | yes |
| 13:38.15 | war | because it has to calculate parity |
| 13:38.19 | war | and that parity uses a lot of disk I/O |
| 13:38.23 | war | and the PCi bus is limited to 133MB/s |
| 13:38.26 | war | so if partiy = 30MB/s |
| 13:38.28 | war | your disks = 30MB/s |
| 13:38.34 | `Starke | war: include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf |
| 13:38.35 | war | not much left for write speed |
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| 13:38.53 | war | `Starke: where is the program so I can download it and try it |
| 13:38.58 | DarCow | hmm, right |
| 13:39.03 | war | DarCow: so that is why |
| 13:39.12 | war | DarCow: on PCI-e not affected as much |
| 13:39.23 | war | I also have 6 x sata 400, 171MB/s write or so and 287MB/s read |
| 13:39.25 | war | (7200rpm slow hdd) |
| 13:39.29 | war | not badtho |
| 13:39.34 | `Starke | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/stepmania/StepMania-3.9a-linux.tar.gz |
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| 13:39.43 | war | `Starke: k |
| 13:40.00 | DarCow | so if it's 133MB/s, that means that essentially each drive gets ~33MB/s? |
| 13:40.08 | war | `Starke: fun game!!! |
| 13:40.13 | war | `Starke: works fine here, debian/testing |
| 13:40.18 | war | `Starke: what debian re using |
| 13:40.20 | `Starke | hs |
| 13:40.21 | war | `Starke: get dstat |
| 13:40.25 | war | DarCow: get dstat |
| 13:40.30 | war | DarCow: apt-get install dstat |
| 13:40.34 | war | DarCow: and I give you cmd to show you |
| 13:40.37 | war | DarCow: how much each hdd use |
| 13:40.50 | DarCow | kk, done |
| 13:40.55 | war | run this cmd |
| 13:41.01 | war | dstat -D hda,hdb,hdd,hde,hdg,hdh,total ; dstat -D sda,sdb,sdc,sdd,sde,sdf,sdg,sdh,sdi,sdj,sdk,sdl,md0,md1,md2,md3,md4,total |
| 13:41.03 | war | but for your hdd |
| 13:41.08 | war | dstat sda,sdb,sdc,sdd,md0 |
| 13:41.11 | war | make sure the xterm is REALYL WIDE |
| 13:41.14 | war | or else it wont work |
| 13:41.17 | war | dstat sda,sdb,sdc,sdd,md0,total |
| 13:41.22 | war | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.29 | war | DarCow: then you will see each hdd performance |
| 13:41.29 | stoned | !enter |
| 13:41.30 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying, and scrolls our windows extraneously. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. We'll be more inclined to help you if you are considerate! |
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| 13:42.25 | ELSEGO | hola people |
| 13:42.42 | liable | hola |
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| 13:43.43 | war | DarCow: cool? |
| 13:43.51 | DarCow | yeah, shiny |
| 13:44.04 | DarCow | shows the bus isn't saturated, though |
| 13:44.05 | `Starke | oh ffs |
| 13:44.15 | DarCow | I think |
| 13:44.17 | war | DarCow: when doing what cmd? |
| 13:44.24 | DarCow | dstat -D sda,sdb,sdc,sdd,total |
| 13:44.35 | war | DarCow: and I mean what command to use the I/O |
| 13:44.45 | DarCow | oh, dd |
| 13:44.53 | DarCow | 1GB to/from RAID |
| 13:45.10 | war | the first 1-2gb will be cache |
| 13:45.15 | war | DarCow: use 10gb and let it bake |
| 13:45.23 | war | DarCow: dd if=/dev/zero of=file bs=1M count=10240 |
| 13:45.24 | war | this cmd |
| 13:45.36 | war | also check cpu utilization and also paste to rafb.net/paste thank you |
| 13:45.59 | DarCow | paste the dd output? |
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| 13:46.04 | xlotlu | any way to convince ifrename to rename interfaces in a specific order? i'm getting a name already in use because of an interface that's getting renamed. if i run it a second time it works.. |
| 13:46.31 | war | DarCow: interested in the dstat output |
| 13:46.33 | cahoot | xlotlu, why not use udevs method? |
| 13:46.41 | `Starke | warcow wich version of debian you running? |
| 13:46.41 | xand | xlotlu: can you use udev to name them? |
| 13:46.43 | xand | *can't |
| 13:46.46 | cahoot | xlotlu, persistent-net.rules |
| 13:46.47 | DarCow | mkay |
| 13:46.50 | `Starke | war: wich version of debian you running? |
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| 13:47.27 | cahoot | xlotlu, /etc/udev/ules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 13:47.28 | xlotlu | cahoot: please elaborate / point me to something to rtfm |
| 13:47.32 | xlotlu | thanks |
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| 13:47.50 | cahoot | xlotlu, err /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 13:48.06 | \amethyst | SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", SYSFS{address}=="00:11:d8:5c:0a:58", NAME="eth0 |
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| 13:48.21 | \amethyst | xlotu: and an extra close quote... something like that |
| 13:48.27 | DarCow | war: http://rafb.net/p/VGHhFU47.html |
| 13:48.36 | war | DarCow: btw |
| 13:48.41 | war | DarCow: the parity calculations are 'hidden' |
| 13:48.52 | DarCow | >.> |
| 13:48.55 | war | DarCow: just like if you run a check on your raid (which you should do once a month) - debian does it by default once a month |
| 13:48.58 | war | DarCow: you wont see any I/O used |
| 13:49.07 | war | DarCow: even though it is using it all for the I/O scrubbing process |
| 13:49.12 | war | `Starke: testing |
| 13:49.15 | DarCow | :-S |
| 13:49.48 | DarCow | so if I had RAID-4, I wouldn't see much activity on the parity disk? |
| 13:49.59 | war | you would see rather you mean? |
| 13:50.16 | DarCow | if the parity calculations are hidden... |
| 13:50.26 | war | I only tested w/raid1+5 |
| 13:50.33 | war | I don't make things up that I don't know ;) |
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| 13:52.23 | war | brb |
| 13:52.30 | DarCow | well, I'm going to leave this copying now |
| 13:52.34 | DarCow | thanks again for all the help |
| 13:53.18 | HomeRoey | heya. |
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| 13:57.36 | alexou_ | hello |
| 13:57.38 | alexou_ | with mplayer -vo xv -> my video is cutted, why ? |
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| 13:59.22 | cast | cutted as in cropped? |
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| 14:01.14 | garo | it's maybe not what you want to hear, but : try another one from the "mplayer -vo help' list |
| 14:02.25 | falco_toadfoot | how do I unset an option in a host-declaration in dhcp3 ? |
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| 14:04.16 | war | DarCow: k, np. |
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| 14:13.52 | bjoernb | hi |
| 14:13.56 | bkw | Anyone who knows if "Intel PRO/1000PT" nics are supported in the default debian etch installation kernels? |
| 14:14.13 | war | bkw: with 4.0 it worked for me |
| 14:14.20 | war | I have 3 intel 1gbps nics |
| 14:14.21 | war | but the PT |
| 14:14.22 | war | what is that? |
| 14:14.39 | alexou_ | why xvinfo with vesa driver is not good on my PC |
| 14:15.03 | bkw | war: donno what PT means, but this is PCI-e nics |
| 14:15.14 | HomeRoey | <bjoernb> if you want musicbrainz support you need libtunepimp5. the packages.debian.org site is listing a download for that lib. better ask in #debian as this is a debian specific issue |
| 14:15.15 | HomeRoey | hi |
| 14:15.22 | asg | alexou_: 'not good'? |
| 14:15.39 | HomeRoey | Amarok depends on libtunepimp5, which depends on a version of libcurl that conflicts with that needed by OpenOffice |
| 14:15.43 | HomeRoey | anyone else find this? |
| 14:15.55 | asg | HomeRoey: on which debian version? |
| 14:16.21 | war | bkw: oh thats a good question then :P |
| 14:16.30 | alexou_ | asg, xvinfo -> adaptor is not present |
| 14:16.34 | nvz | PT is TP spelled backwards |
| 14:16.48 | asg | alexou_: are you in X or are you running that from console? |
| 14:17.03 | alexou_ | asg, in X |
| 14:17.21 | asg | alexou_: pastebin the full output of xvinfo |
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| 14:17.50 | alexou_ | asg, i don't understand |
| 14:17.54 | asg | !paster |
| 14:17.54 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 14:18.57 | alexou_ | asg, the full output is that : X-Video Extension version 2.2 screen #0 no adaptors present |
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| 14:19.06 | bkw | war: looks like e1000 is the driver, but is that available as a module with default kernel? I believe that is what you use? |
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| 14:19.23 | HomeRoey | asg: Debian SID |
| 14:19.27 | asg | HomeRoey: check the bts |
| 14:19.31 | HomeRoey | asg: I checked |
| 14:19.33 | HomeRoey | asg: didn't find |
| 14:19.34 | asg | alexou_: does 'xdpyinfo' output the same |
| 14:19.37 | wols_ | !btssmite HomeRoey |
| 14:19.37 | asg | HomeRoey: file a bug |
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| 14:20.03 | alexou_ | asg, i go to see, i come back |
| 14:20.05 | war | bkw: yes |
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| 14:20.10 | HomeRoey | asg: I don't know what to specify. |
| 14:20.17 | war | bkw: just stick in the netinstaller |
| 14:20.22 | asg | HomeRoey: then don't run sid; stick with stable or testing |
| 14:20.23 | war | bkw: if it sees it you'll know pretty quickly |
| 14:20.24 | HomeRoey | asg: I can show you the output of trying to apt-getinstall |
| 14:20.28 | HomeRoey | asg: :P |
| 14:20.32 | HomeRoey | How elitist. |
| 14:20.37 | falco_toadfoot | is there any way to unset an option in dhcpd.conf ? |
| 14:20.45 | bkw | war: first I must have the nic dammit :) |
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| 14:21.23 | asg | HomeRoey: no, sid is for people actually trying to help the project, not simple running cutting edge packages. |
| 14:22.22 | HomeRoey | asg: here, it looks like this: http://rafb.net/p/Irddok86.html |
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| 14:22.22 | war | bkw: ah hehe ;) |
| 14:22.23 | alexou | asg, no it is not the same |
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| 14:23.54 | Jordan|ES | hi |
| 14:24.27 | la0c00n | hi |
| 14:24.36 | asg | HomeRoey: did you run apt-get update? |
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| 14:26.10 | alexou | asg, you can see the result of the command on #alexou |
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| 14:27.52 | alexou | asg, do you see the problem ? |
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| 14:28.33 | HomeRoey | asg: bug filed. |
| 14:28.35 | HomeRoey | asg: of ocurse |
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| 14:29.24 | asg | HomeRoey: you'll have to wait for libcurl4-gnutls to enter sid by the looks of it. |
| 14:29.28 | dob1 | backports.org is ok? i can use it with etch? |
| 14:29.32 | asg | dob1: yes |
| 14:29.54 | HomeRoey | asg: ok |
| 14:29.55 | dob1 | asg, i added the line to source.list then update but i can't install anything |
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| 14:30.43 | dob1 | i was looking for tor |
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| 14:30.56 | asg | dob1: are you sure it's been backported? |
| 14:31.31 | dob1 | asg, it's there http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/t/tor/ |
| 14:31.46 | asg | dob1: and apt-get -t etch-backports install tor doesn't work? |
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| 14:32.12 | HomeRoey | asg: The reportbug timed out in connecting via SMTP to bugs.debian.org; where can I mail my bugreport to? |
| 14:32.48 | dob1 | asg, Package tor is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source |
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| 14:33.25 | amar-ze | hi.. any good dynamic dns client that supports adsl routers.. no luck with ddclient.. :/ |
| 14:33.44 | tosh| | does anyone have any experience with running linux on a LOOX 720 PDA? I'm trying to boot a port but it panics after not being able to find the ramdisk |
| 14:33.58 | dob1 | amar-ze, no-ip |
| 14:34.08 | asg | dob1: odd. You could just download the deb and 'dpkg -i <pkg>' it |
| 14:34.25 | dob1 | asg, ah ok :) |
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| 14:36.05 | asg | HomeRoey: try again later, it might be down atm. |
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| 14:37.45 | ELSEGO | hola people |
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| 14:38.12 | yondie | hola senior |
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| 14:40.29 | HomeRoey | asg: ok. |
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| 14:40.31 | HomeRoey | asg: http://rafb.net/p/6iZq7R26.html |
| 14:40.42 | HomeRoey | asg: that's how it looks like (I sent with yahoo.com manually) |
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| 14:45.11 | seTecHno | hi! I have a problem with my wifi card.. I think I installed the wrong diver with m-a a-i... he doesnt list it in m-a li though, but this driver is loaded when I insert the wireless-stick.. how can I remove it from the "autoload when stick is inserted"-list? |
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| 14:47.03 | asg | HomeRoey: keep an eye on it. They will likely close it once the libpimp and libcurl libraries enter incoming. Then it will be a day or two before they enter sid. |
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| 14:50.36 | beoba | hi, my computer is automatically suspending itself to disk after i leave it alone for ~1 hour. this would be neat, but resume never works, so i'd like to get rid of the feature |
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| 14:50.50 | beoba | but i havent figured out what is causing the suspend to disk |
| 14:51.09 | beoba | i've tried removing every package that apt-cache finds when i do "apt-cache search suspend", and that still hasnt solved the problem |
| 14:51.16 | asg | beoba: remove hibernate if it's installed |
| 14:51.20 | beoba | it isn't |
| 14:51.32 | beoba | nor is 'uswsusp' |
| 14:51.38 | beoba | nor 'powersaved' |
| 14:51.40 | beoba | etc.. |
| 14:51.52 | beoba | (which is what's making this particularly aggrivating) |
| 14:52.00 | asg | beoba: are you sure it isn't set in your system bios? |
| 14:52.19 | beoba | i've looked in there, turned off anything that had anything to do with it |
| 14:52.29 | beoba | though i may check for sure that it saved correctly.. |
| 14:52.48 | beoba | *brb* (im sshing into another machine running irssi so i'll still be "in here") |
| 14:52.55 | asg | beoba: are you using gnome or kde? If so, do their config tools have anything power related? |
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| 14:56.13 | asg | seTecHno: the package m-a built should be located wherever you built it. Find it and dpkg -P it (or apt-get remove --purge) |
| 14:56.37 | seTecHno | asg a-i builds it automatically |
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| 14:57.22 | asg | seTecHno: yes but the package still exists on your drive. Just remove the package and the driver will be removed with it. |
| 14:57.23 | beoba | back, i actually found a setting in the bios for "Suspend Mode" set to "1 Min" |
| 14:57.28 | beoba | i changed that to "Disabled" |
| 14:57.39 | asg | beoba: also, make sure you don't have sleepd installed. |
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| 14:58.10 | beoba | sleepd is not installed |
| 14:58.14 | seTecHno | asg: like apt-get remove? the driver was called rt2500, but apt-get remove rt2500 doesn't work.. I also installed the correct and new one rt2570 and this one is listed when I do apt-cache search 2570 as rt2570-modules-mykernel |
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| 14:58.39 | StarWars | apache defunct - whay ?? I use on my server a game script ,wich use to send php and mysql Data Info ..and i have few hundred users ... and my php send much info out to mysql ... How i must set apache or php? |
| 14:58.40 | beoba | seTecHno: try "apt-cache search 2500", it may have a slightly different name |
| 14:58.53 | asg | seTecHno: the removing the rt2570-modules-mykernel package seems reasonable. |
| 14:59.06 | seTecHno | beoba: well I tried that and he doesn't find a similar name... everything else what he finds I aleady tried to remove |
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| 14:59.23 | asg | seTecHno: another option is to move the rt2500.ko module for /lib/modules/$(uname -r) somewhere else temporarily. |
| 14:59.48 | asg | StarWars: are all apaches defunct or just one or two? |
| 15:00.25 | StarWars | asg 1 or 2 .. |
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| 15:00.44 | seTecHno | asg: wher exactly in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) do I find the .ko? |
| 15:01.02 | StarWars | but only few minutes or so ..and then my server get Lag. |
| 15:01.16 | asg | seTecHno: misc/ or a directory named after the module. |
| 15:01.55 | asg | StarWars: then tune the memory settings in /etc/php*/apache*/php.ini as well as memory limits and connection limits in /etc/mysql/my.cnf and /etc/apache*/ |
| 15:02.11 | asg | StarWars: also, #apache and #mysql should be consulted |
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| 15:02.40 | DarCow | war, I think it broke again :-/ |
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| 15:03.13 | DarCow | 5.1 MB/s |
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| 15:03.35 | DarCow | ata4.00: limiting speed to PIO4 |
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| 15:03.47 | reiser2 | Hi |
| 15:04.02 | reiser2 | i am looking for a good photo gallery to web design |
| 15:04.06 | StarWars | asg on my mysql i have conection 1024 , on php i will put the same ? and apache ? |
| 15:04.09 | reiser2 | is there any? |
| 15:04.32 | pflanze | Hello. When installing Etch from a CD, after creating an LVM physical volume and volgroup and 3 logical volumes on top of that (boot, root, swap), how do I go about formatting them? |
| 15:04.42 | asg | StarWars: you'll have to test each setting as you go. Don't arbitrarily set limits until you understand what they do and what effect they will have on the system. |
| 15:05.08 | asg | reiser2: /msg dpkg search |
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| 15:05.28 | DarCow | war? |
| 15:05.40 | pflanze | The installer feels broken when it allows me to create lvm partitions but not format them. |
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| 15:07.35 | asg | pflanze: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/512 |
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| 15:08.05 | zamuro | !flame war |
| 15:08.05 | dpkg | war: YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 15:08.17 | zamuro | !start distro war |
| 15:08.32 | StarWars | asg my /etc/php*/apache*/php.ini ;fbsql.max_connections = 128 so i must edit High Number ? |
| 15:08.37 | zamuro | !start a distro war |
| 15:08.37 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
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| 15:09.02 | DarCow | aha |
| 15:09.07 | DarCow | sdd is the culprit |
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| 15:09.17 | asg | StarWars: presuming the issue is that you are running out of mysql connections. However, fbsql is not what you want in that case. php is not limited and will use as many as mysql is configured to use. |
| 15:09.47 | DarCow | http://rafb.net/p/YGbXun80.html |
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| 15:10.37 | gkahla | i'm running an up-to-date Etch install, and I'm interested in upgrading a single library from 'testing' - were are the instructions for this? |
| 15:10.39 | pflanze | asg: thanks. That helped point out the right place. |
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| 15:10.45 | asg | gkahla: /msg dpkg backports |
| 15:10.49 | StarWars | but i configure my.cnf to 1024 conections ..and apache say defunct |
| 15:10.50 | asg | pflanze: you're welcome |
| 15:11.03 | gkahla | asg: thanks |
| 15:11.12 | asg | StarWars: defunct means that he master apache process hasn't acknoledged the death of the child |
| 15:11.35 | asg | StarWars: do you have specific errors in your mysql error logs or apache error logs? is php returning errors? |
| 15:11.58 | StarWars | i will chk. |
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| 15:13.43 | alexou_ | hello, when i run xvinfo -> X-Video Extension version 2.2 screen #0 no adaptors present. I have the driver vesa |
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| 15:17.33 | geo-rge | alexou_: and is that actually true? you have no video card? |
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| 15:18.10 | alexou_ | geo-rge, ati 9200 |
| 15:18.16 | alexou_ | i am on X |
| 15:18.31 | geo-rge | why not use radeon? |
| 15:18.38 | geo-rge | instead of vesa |
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| 15:19.33 | asg | alexou_: likely that the vesa driver doesn't support the X-Video extension |
| 15:19.35 | geo-rge | but, you're saying the vesa driver is working? |
| 15:19.48 | StarWars | asg my mysql.err is clean ..no error`s and apache err file is OK. |
| 15:20.39 | asg | StarWars: you may want to edit your php.ini and enable logging to syslog or a file in /var/log (you'll need to precreate the file and give www-data permissions to write to it) |
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| 15:20.49 | alexou_ | asg, are you sure, it is not a pb of configuration ? |
| 15:21.05 | StarWars | ags my problem is i run a script with a Chat Rom Box ..and games to "online" so Users they get Lag , users say 'Hello' and out put will be in 1 minut after ... |
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| 15:21.38 | geo-rge | vesa sounds to me like a generic driver |
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| 15:21.47 | asg | alexou_: not sure at all, just a guess. You could look at xdpyinfo and see if it lists XVideo as an extension. |
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| 15:22.31 | StarWars | asg thanks , i wil try`it |
| 15:22.32 | asg | StarWars: maybe your chatbox script only does updates once a minute? |
| 15:22.38 | DarCow | war? :'-( |
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| 15:23.17 | StarWars | asg my chatbox update online ...but after 20 Users in my Rom ..and Playng game`s , they get Lag |
| 15:23.34 | asg | geo-rge: it is but will work with most cards to provide at least enough of an X environment to be useful. |
| 15:24.03 | asg | StarWars: is the box under load? Does uptime show high load numbers? what about the cpu utilization numbers in top(1)? |
| 15:24.07 | geo-rge | ahh, so it probably uses only vga or svga? |
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| 15:24.18 | asg | geo-rge: basically, yes. |
| 15:24.35 | geo-rge | and 16 colors probably too |
| 15:24.43 | StarWars | my CPU jump to 14% i have only 128 MB Ram on my Box |
| 15:24.45 | geo-rge | like windows safe mode |
| 15:24.47 | StarWars | ups |
| 15:24.51 | StarWars | 512 Ram |
| 15:25.04 | asg | geo-rge: it can do 16bit at 1024x768 quite well. It just doesn't really have any accelerated features (2d or 3d) |
| 15:25.25 | geo-rge | StarWars: one thing we can be sure of... something happened! |
| 15:25.42 | geo-rge | ahh, ok |
| 15:25.44 | StarWars | and on top -p 67363 "the background proces of chatbox" is go to 43% and stay Theer. |
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| 15:26.10 | geo-rge | hmm, that doesn't sound great |
| 15:26.21 | alexou_ | asg, i put my xdpyinfo on #alexou, i see XVideo in |
| 15:26.29 | StarWars | i think php send to much Data to mysql " the scores and other info to" |
| 15:27.26 | geo-rge | alexou_: you'll have to wait till he joins then spew it... but you can also pastebin it (rafb.net/paste is one) |
| 15:27.43 | asg | alexou_: https://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-393 gives some information |
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| 15:28.05 | asg | alexou_: as george said though, you should try using the ati or radeon driver |
| 15:28.25 | GNUtoo | hello,i have a problem i have deleted the sources.list...are the official 64bit repository the same as the 32bit is that ok?:(deb ftp://ftp.skynet.be/debian/ etch main contrib non-free) |
| 15:28.29 | geo-rge | which you very likely have the free version of |
| 15:28.42 | cast | GNUtoo: yip, |
| 15:29.00 | alexou_ | asg, when i use fglrx with xv the video is cutted |
| 15:29.28 | geo-rge | Hey!! I just quit but I'm still here!! I'm so confused... |
| 15:29.45 | asg | alexou_: you aren't required to use fglrx, you can simply use the radeon or ati driver |
| 15:30.15 | alexou_ | asg, with ati driver i can't use tvout |
| 15:30.33 | alexou_ | asg, if i install gatos can i uninstall it ? |
| 15:30.36 | stelki | I seem to be getting md5sum errors from locales_2.3.6.ds1-13_all.deb in debian etch. Why? |
| 15:30.51 | stelki | This happens with both aptitude and apt, and when I redownload. |
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| 15:32.53 | geo-rge | either the md5 sum is wrong (or for a different file or something) or the package is not the package for which that md5sum was created |
| 15:33.10 | GNUtoo | And does kdebase install and add kdm to derault? |
| 15:33.26 | StarWars | after i Cheange httpt.conf from 256 conections to 1024 i get this mail msg to root. http://apache.pastebin.ca/587404 |
| 15:33.30 | stelki | Stating the obvious. But why would this happen, using an official debian mirror? |
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| 15:33.42 | geo-rge | good question |
| 15:33.48 | geo-rge | that I don't know |
| 15:33.48 | StarWars | asg & geo-rge after i Cheange httpt.conf from 256 conections to 1024 i get this mail msg to root. http://apache.pastebin.ca/587404 |
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| 15:35.10 | geo-rge | StarWars: it says 256 is the max |
| 15:35.45 | HomeRoey | hi |
| 15:35.52 | Surma | Hey, I'm having Problems with debootstrapping. I'm working on a amd64 machine and want to configure sparc-system. So I debootstrapped it with "--arch sparc --foreign" and now I started a system via qemu. What to I have to do now? I tried to start ``/debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage'', but then it complains about packages.gz not being present. |
| 15:35.58 | StarWars | so must be back to 256 ..i put beack 256 and i push Webmin APPLY. ? |
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| 15:36.07 | geo-rge | it also says "Buy a rolex watch and I'll send you $15,000,000!! |
| 15:36.25 | geo-rge | (j/k) |
| 15:36.38 | HomeRoey | Debian Bug Tester/Fixers' song, in progress but this is what I have so far:abr |
| 15:36.44 | HomeRoey | yes, that's right, "abr". |
| 15:36.48 | HomeRoey | one sec. |
| 15:36.54 | HomeRoey | http://rafb.net/p/9pJmqm11.html |
| 15:37.14 | alexou_ | what is the procedure to uninstall gatos ? |
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| 15:38.06 | geo-rge | alexou_: how did you install it? |
| 15:38.48 | alexou_ | geo-rge, i have not install it but i think to use this procedure http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=215763, and i don't know how to revert |
| 15:39.02 | CAiRO | hi |
| 15:39.08 | CAiRO | is there a way to test the speed of a dns server? my provider offers lots of them and i don't know which to use |
| 15:39.44 | eisen | use the list the provider has on its support page and reverse the order :P |
| 15:40.18 | stelki | Hm. If anyone should wonder, I fixed my problem by changing mirrors. |
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| 15:45.35 | branstrom | I want to migrate from hMailServer that I'm running right now on my Windows XP workstation (just for me and my dad). What's the mailserver I should use on Debian? I've set up a small server that should be fine for this purpose |
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| 15:46.17 | petemc | branstrom: debian comes with exim, which works fine |
| 15:46.18 | cast | exim i suspect |
| 15:46.27 | geo-rge | branstrom: one of many. debian installs exim by default |
| 15:46.34 | branstrom | Does it have push IMAP? |
| 15:46.44 | petemc | no, its a mta |
| 15:46.46 | geo-rge | probably not |
| 15:47.24 | branstrom | Okay. What's the best mailserver that does have that, would you say? |
| 15:47.39 | petemc | none, you'll want an imapd for that |
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| 15:49.10 | Surma | Hey, I'm having problems with debootstrapping. I'm working on a amd64 machine and want to bootstrap and configure a sparc system. So I debootstrapped it with "--arch sparc --foreign" and now I started a sparc livecd via qemu. I mounted my bootstrapdirectory. What do I have to do now? I tried to start ``/debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage'', but then it complains about packages.gz not being present. |
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| 15:50.02 | SuMarDi | hi. google gears doesn't install on iceweasel. anyone had the similar problem before? |
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| 15:50.29 | alexou_ | how to install gatos on debian etch ? |
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| 15:54.05 | SuMarDi | alexou_: apt-cache search gatos |
| 15:54.28 | alexou_ | SuMarDi, is it the driver gatos for tvout ? |
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| 15:55.30 | SuMarDi | alexou_: you can download the source, compile & run it |
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| 15:59.52 | mickky | can i use mysqldump without mysql-server on my host for creating a remote backup |
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| 16:01.05 | geo-rge | mickky: what did they say on #mysql? |
| 16:01.22 | mickky | i do it |
| 16:01.29 | mickky | i did it |
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| 16:01.40 | Rodger | hello everyone |
| 16:01.48 | geo-rge | oh.. glad it worked out... |
| 16:01.52 | Rodger | this channel seems to be always full |
| 16:02.02 | cilkay | mickky: as long as you can connect to the remote db, sure. I would suggest you not have mysql listen for connections on external interfaces though and use ssh tunneling. That way, you can just connect to mysql, localhost, some port, which is forwarded to the remote mysql. |
| 16:02.38 | cilkay | mickky: search for "ssh port forwarding" on Google if you don't understand what I just wrote. |
| 16:03.42 | Rodger | how do access my ntfs partition from debian? |
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| 16:04.03 | cast | mount -t ntfs |
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| 16:04.49 | DocPlatypus | yes ssh port forwarding comes in handy sometimes |
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| 16:05.47 | Rodger | thanks cast |
| 16:05.53 | ZnR | Rodger:: but as far as I know you can only have read-only |
| 16:06.08 | Rodger | that is not very good, ZnR |
| 16:06.27 | Rodger | would it help if I convert my ntfs into fat32? |
| 16:06.29 | ZnR | I know |
| 16:06.40 | tbamr | !ntfs-3g Rodger |
| 16:06.47 | tbamr | !ntfs-3g | Rodger |
| 16:06.51 | tbamr | damn |
| 16:07.02 | tbamr | !tell Rodger about ntfs-3g |
| 16:07.09 | Rodger | tbamr, you are kidding right? |
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| 16:07.28 | tbamr | Rodger: read what dpkg sent |
| 16:07.34 | geo-rge | Rodger: he isn't... check your pm from dpkg |
| 16:07.57 | cilkay | Rodger: write support has been experimental for a long time. Not the fault of Linux distros that Microsoft doesn't publish specs. |
| 16:08.11 | Rodger | :-) new to irc, I do see it now |
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| 16:08.20 | tbamr | Rodger: we were all new once |
| 16:08.24 | tbamr | :) |
| 16:08.28 | geo-rge | Rodger: ntfs is proprietary to microsolf, consequently microsoft doesn't tell people how to write drivers for it... understand so far? |
| 16:08.48 | cilkay | Not just that but NTFS has changed, again, in Vista. |
| 16:08.59 | Rodger | I see, but smart linux fans figures out how to read it anyway |
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| 16:09.07 | metbsd | ntfs has changed to what |
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| 16:09.25 | tbamr | geo-rge: there's a big piece of nacho stuck between my shift key. :/ |
| 16:09.44 | putridp | Anyone know if parted can enlarge HFS+ partitions? |
| 16:09.51 | cilkay | metbsd: I was reading that NTFS in Vista is not the same as NTFS in previous Windows. Something changed, I have no idea what and I don't care. |
| 16:10.13 | Rodger | how about fat32 then? |
| 16:10.24 | Rodger | is it better supported than ntfs in debian? |
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| 16:10.38 | ZnR | tbamr:: eat it |
| 16:10.52 | metbsd | maybe changing of NTFS is like changing ext2 to ext3 |
| 16:10.56 | tbamr | Rodger: fat32 (aka) vfat is r/w support |
| 16:11.06 | tbamr | ZnR: yeah kind of taking it out |
| 16:11.07 | tbamr | :) |
| 16:11.11 | Xires | dpkg; mirrors? |
| 16:11.11 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 16:11.22 | Xires | ty once again, dpkg |
| 16:11.36 | geo-rge | Rodger: for a driver to be included in linux or especially debian, it has to be -legal-... if it's not, debian doesn't even want to include it, because debian wants to concentrate on FREE software. |
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| 16:12.11 | Rodger | I see, I will convert my ntfs into fat32 then |
| 16:12.23 | Rodger | I think that is a better bet |
| 16:12.34 | metbsd | why ntfs to fat32? |
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| 16:12.51 | stew | anyone have a trick to get bluetooth connections to be persistent across reboots |
| 16:13.06 | geo-rge | if you were to combine those two statements, you would see why ntfs is problematic |
| 16:13.10 | Rodger | well, metbsd, I don't want to risk with ntfs-3g |
| 16:13.23 | edistar | when I want to ssh to my sparc server I get the following: |
| 16:13.24 | edistar | debug1: Unspecified GSS failure. Minor code may provide more information |
| 16:13.24 | edistar | No credentials cache found |
| 16:13.33 | DocPlatypus | I'm guessing Microsoft did some software patent crap between Windows XP and Vista? |
| 16:13.34 | edistar | can anyone help me? |
| 16:13.49 | geo-rge | in fact a much better bet might be if you can find a way to be able to read and write (say) an ext2 partition from within windows |
| 16:13.51 | edistar | I can still log on but it takes ages |
| 16:13.57 | DocPlatypus | not surprising... I mean, keeping people from being able to read NTFS on a non-Windows system does seem to be in their interest |
| 16:14.06 | DocPlatypus | geo-rge: and that does exist, I use one |
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| 16:15.04 | raphi | How can i resize a PV of an LVM? Here are my partitions: http://paste.debian.net/31251 I would like to add the 3.5 GB to the hda5.. |
| 16:15.15 | Rodger | geo-rge: not too sure about that |
| 16:15.37 | cast | raphi: don't you resize lv's and expand vgs |
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| 16:16.07 | geo-rge | ok, so when you write the ntfs driver, negtotiate with microsoft to state in writing thy're willing to let you distribute it and finally get Linus to include it in the kernel, |
| 16:16.10 | geo-rge | let us know :) |
| 16:16.21 | cast | raphi: pvresize looks good |
| 16:16.51 | raphi | cast: hm... ok, how do I tell him to 'maximize' |
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| 16:17.24 | Enverex | Is there any big issue with installing Ubuntu packages for some things? (ones Debian lacks) i.e. FAAC, Lame and Mencoder? |
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| 16:17.32 | Sweetandy | Debian tells me that SLIME is installed, but when I type "M-x slime" in emacs, I get a "Searching for program: no such file or directory, lisp" |
| 16:17.43 | Sweetandy | This is after it seems to load some things |
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| 16:17.50 | DarCow | is there any way to force a DMA mode on a hard drive? |
| 16:18.08 | Sweetandy | Is this something specific to the way apt installs SLIME? |
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| 16:18.27 | cast | raphi: i'm not sure, i go about things in a different way to you. i resize the lv, normally have some slack in the vg, and add new pvs to the vg |
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| 16:20.00 | raphi | cast: but two pv's on one harddisk doesn't make sense, does it? |
| 16:20.13 | GrahamA | Hey, I've installed debian with the net install CD, but it didn't work with my wireless so I don't have any extra packages, I need to build ndiswrapper but it complains there's no build directory where what I assume is the kernel source goes, what packages do I need for that? |
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| 16:20.47 | cast | raphi: seems cleaner to dedicate an entire disk to being a pv, yes |
| 16:20.55 | geo-rge | GrahamA: isn't there an ndiswrapper already built into a package for the kernel you have? |
| 16:21.09 | GrahamA | Doesn't work. |
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| 16:21.17 | geo-rge | !doesn't work |
| 16:21.17 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 16:21.20 | fatmom | I installer the nvidia drivers using the nvidia installer, it worked, it updated my xorg.conf but X still cant find my nvidia modules, I thought the nvidia installer maked them? I build one with m-a and it worked, I can modprobe nvidia, but X cant find it |
| 16:21.39 | raphi | cast: I've done it a time ago with the evms-gui, but I'm just using knoppix atm. isn't there any command for the shell? |
| 16:21.55 | GrahamA | No it doesn't work. |
| 16:22.10 | GrahamA | Doesn't think the device is present. |
| 16:22.13 | raphi | cast: 'cause evms-gui is not on the knoppix cd.. |
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| 16:22.37 | GrahamA | So I was building it from scratch |
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| 16:23.12 | geo-rge | ok, you need either the kernel-headers (linux-headers maybe?) package OR the linux-source or kernel-source package |
| 16:23.13 | geo-rge | OR |
| 16:23.27 | geo-rge | if you wish you can build your own kernel |
| 16:23.31 | geo-rge | but |
| 16:24.08 | geo-rge | if you don't find out why this is happening to you now, you will likely run into the same problem (which we don't know what it is yet) that you are experiencing now |
| 16:24.27 | GrahamA | I don't want to build a kernel, I want to build ndiswrapper |
| 16:24.34 | geo-rge | if you don't find out why this is happening to you now, you will likely run into the same problem (which we don't know what it is yet) that you are experiencing now |
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| 16:26.11 | geo-rge | so you need the linux-headers or kernel-headers package for the kernel you have running |
| 16:26.13 | fatmom | anyone can help me with nvidia, it all installed fine, I builded the module with m-a and it worked, even the nvidia installer worked, but X cant find any modules |
| 16:26.41 | fatmom | cant find nvidia and glx |
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| 16:27.05 | proog | what are the minimum system requirements for running debian + gdm/kdm + fluxbox/icewm? will an old laptop with 600 mhz celeron and 64 mb ram do? |
| 16:27.16 | Enverex | Yes |
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| 16:27.28 | geo-rge | proog: a computer with a video card |
| 16:28.00 | geo-rge | I would upgrade your ram to 256mb minimum (if not 2 gigs :) |
| 16:28.47 | geo-rge | 64mb will be barely enough to run the kernel, a few daemons and X |
| 16:28.51 | proog | geo-rge: well, its just for fun |
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| 16:29.05 | fatmom | any idea with my nvidia problem? |
| 16:29.08 | proog | so im not gonna upgrade anything :) |
| 16:29.11 | geo-rge | -forget- about gnome tho, it's just too bit |
| 16:29.13 | geo-rge | big |
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| 16:29.37 | geo-rge | well ok, let me ask you this: do you have this computer now? |
| 16:29.43 | proog | yes |
| 16:29.56 | geo-rge | then by all means, give it a shot |
| 16:30.11 | proog | ok, maybe i will :) |
| 16:30.39 | geo-rge | but if I were you, hold off on installing gnome for long enough to see your memory stats just before you install/run gnome |
| 16:31.00 | proog | i dont really want to install gnome |
| 16:31.06 | proog | just fluxbox or icewm |
| 16:31.10 | proog | or something light |
| 16:31.20 | geo-rge | like sawfish or fvwm |
| 16:31.22 | tbamr | !tell fatmom about nvidia |
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| 16:31.46 | geo-rge | give that a shot too |
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| 16:32.08 | proog | hopefully i can run fluxbox |
| 16:32.10 | geo-rge | and go anead and install any or all of those wms, try to run |
| 16:32.22 | proog | i know i can run fluxbox smoothly on damn small linux, though |
| 16:33.20 | geo-rge | if this is just a fun experiment, that's one thing... but once you go "hmm, this is pretty cool... let's go a little further", I'd strongly consider a ram upgrade |
| 16:33.32 | proog | sure |
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| 16:33.47 | proog | but its not like i only have this one pc |
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| 16:34.38 | pflanze | Ok, now I've got my dm-crypt physical volume set up from the installer and using this as pv for LVM and have a vg and 2 lv's on top, root and swap, installed everything, and of course it now complains not being able to write lilo; |
| 16:34.42 | geo-rge | proog: in THAT case... you could consider that machine as something like a file server? |
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| 16:34.53 | proog | well, perhaps |
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| 16:35.01 | proog | but i dont have any plans for it atm |
| 16:35.02 | tralala | pflanze, use grub |
| 16:35.02 | geo-rge | maybe you already have one |
| 16:35.07 | pflanze | I go back into the partition tool, add a boot partition, but now the partition tool wants to format my lv partitions again! hm. what to do? |
| 16:35.08 | proog | i just got it |
| 16:35.11 | proog | didnt even pay |
| 16:35.29 | pflanze | tralala: selecting grub tells me that the partition step has not been done yet. |
| 16:35.34 | tralala | pflanze, tell it not to format - it's in the partition options |
| 16:35.38 | pflanze | ah |
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| 16:36.04 | geo-rge | proog: you could install just the debian base, and go from there |
| 16:36.29 | proog | geo-rge: i am downloading the netinst now |
| 16:36.35 | xlotlu | what's the proper location for wpa_supplicant.conf? /etc/ or /etc/wpa_supplicant/ ? |
| 16:37.00 | mue_ | /etc/ |
| 16:37.21 | fatmom | I looked on the wiki about nvidia, lsmod show the nvidia module, but X cant find any |
| 16:37.35 | geo-rge | xlotlu: if it's a site-wide config |
| 16:37.38 | disposable | xlotlu, shouldn't the wpa_supplicant options in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:37.51 | proog | does the netinstall support pcmcia cards (for connecting to the net)? |
| 16:37.55 | disposable | xlotlu, i forgot 'be' |
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| 16:38.27 | geo-rge | proog: the installer might have that (even before installing the base) |
| 16:38.36 | pflanze | tralala: I selected the dm-crypt volume, it told me in red that this cannot be changed (~in use), which is ok, I select "back", not the installer hangs. |
| 16:38.38 | geo-rge | some netinstalls have the base on the cd |
| 16:38.45 | pflanze | s/not/now/ |
| 16:38.57 | geo-rge | other netinstalls read the base from a mirror over the net |
| 16:38.58 | xlotlu | disposable: for site-wide config it's either one of /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf or /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -- getting mixed information from the docs |
| 16:39.19 | pflanze | tralala: I guess I'll have to kill it from another VT. but afterwards? |
| 16:39.23 | cast | pflanze: if you're having pain with the installer there's always a manual install off a livecd with debootstrap |
| 16:39.36 | geo-rge | those "other netinstalls" have to establish networking before touching the hd |
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| 16:40.11 | proog | ok, so which category does the etch netinst fall into? |
| 16:40.32 | geo-rge | I don't know :) |
| 16:40.38 | proog | ok |
| 16:40.43 | geo-rge | I upgraded to etch, myself :) |
| 16:40.46 | proog | im trying it anyway |
| 16:40.47 | tralala | pflanze, I'm not sure but it seems that you'll need to reboot it |
| 16:40.49 | proog | :) |
| 16:41.02 | pflanze | tralala: got control back by killing the partition tool |
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| 16:41.23 | pflanze | tralala: hmmm, although selecting partition tool now hangs right from the start.. |
| 16:41.34 | Cryx | which debian package i have to get for AMD XP 2600+ processors? |
| 16:42.00 | Blackgoth | !u |
| 16:42.00 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 16:42.26 | tralala | Cryx, you mean kernel? |
| 16:42.53 | Cryx | ye |
| 16:43.04 | tralala | linux-image-<versin>-k8 |
| 16:43.09 | tralala | version |
| 16:43.41 | disposable | xlotlu, maybe i missed your question, but i can't think of a situation where having wpa_supplicant options in /etc/network/interfaces wouldn't be enough. |
| 16:43.59 | Cryx | But i'm starting to DL the images now, and wondering which one i have to install... Bought new computer for my server :/ |
| 16:44.07 | svalvolo | riavvio |
| 16:44.29 | xlotlu | disposable: when moving from one wireless network to another |
| 16:44.38 | geo-rge | Cryx: so you want a whole arch |
| 16:44.39 | cast | Cryx: only grab the first cd, install the -k7 kernel image |
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| 16:45.12 | Cryx | no no no, i mean which one of these to choose =D "[alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc]" |
| 16:45.41 | geo-rge | is your processor a 64-bit? |
| 16:45.47 | Enverex | ARM |
| 16:45.48 | tralala | Cryx, i386, netinst |
| 16:46.08 | disposable | xlotlu, aah, so it's a laptop.. (i use network-manager-gnome|kde for that) |
| 16:46.36 | Cryx | geo-rge no |
| 16:47.11 | Enverex | Cryx, You eant i386 then |
| 16:47.46 | pflanze | tralala: how do I make it re-recognize the dm-crypt partition? Selecting it allows me to enter my wishes again but that will just overwrite it I guess. |
| 16:48.11 | xlotlu | disposable: you do realise most people have wireless nics on laptops :) (well i have one on my desktop too, but taking this setup for granted is a bit far-fetched) |
| 16:48.26 | GNUtoo | here we had a computer that is a hp6388 with random lockup...what should we do? |
| 16:48.33 | tralala | pflanze, no idea - try it. You'll tell the installer not to format it |
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| 16:48.45 | GNUtoo | the random lockup apeared after the install... |
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| 16:49.01 | geo-rge | Cryx: i386 should work fine |
| 16:49.01 | GNUtoo | what ways should we explore? |
| 16:49.15 | xlotlu | disposable: afaik kwifimanager and the like don't work with wpa-psk |
| 16:49.35 | tralala | xlotlu, out of my four pcs with wireless only one is laptop |
| 16:49.59 | xlotlu | hmm |
| 16:50.25 | xlotlu | maybe the people without wireless on their desktops are weird then |
| 16:50.29 | geo-rge | Cryx: and if it doesn't, you can always try a different one :) |
| 16:51.43 | disposable | xlotlu, kwifimanager doesn't but those network-manager-kde|gnome should. (i use them with ubuntu, so i can't say for sure with debian) |
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| 16:53.13 | solar_ant | how do i force install a package with broken dependencies |
| 16:53.16 | solar_ant | using apt-get |
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| 16:55.52 | mue_ | apt-get --help? |
| 16:56.15 | disposable | solar_ant, --ignore-missing, --force-yes you DID read the manual, right? |
| 16:56.39 | GNUtoo | how do i diable acpi in debian? |
| 16:57.04 | solar_ant | disposable: yes , i was trying --ignore--missing -f .... thanks :) |
| 16:57.11 | wols_ | GNUtoo: kernel parameter |
| 16:57.17 | disposable | GNUtoo, by removing the modules from kernel |
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| 16:57.42 | wols_ | acpi=off or noacpi |
| 16:57.42 | GNUtoo | wols_, does acpi=off work? |
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| 16:57.47 | wols_ | GNUtoo: yes it does |
| 16:57.52 | GNUtoo | wols_, ok thanks |
| 16:57.57 | solar_ant | disposable: doesnt work |
| 16:58.15 | tbamr | solar_ant: afaik, You can't. download the package (.deb) manually and then use dpkg --ignore-depends=<packag_causeing_trouble> <install_pkg> |
| 16:58.19 | disposable | solar_ant, who? |
| 16:58.22 | solar_ant | i am trying to install someting dependent on python 2.5 , but debian has python 2.4 , so i have installed 2.5 from source |
| 16:58.25 | tbamr | that should get you goiing solar_ant |
| 16:58.48 | solar_ant | tbamr: yeah guessed as much :) thanks ! |
| 16:58.54 | tbamr | solar_ant: np |
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| 17:01.03 | wols_ | !confmiss |
| 17:01.04 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 17:01.19 | wols_ | solar_ant: that is how you can do it with apt-get by giving dpkg options this way |
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| 17:02.08 | solar_ant | wols_: i want to install a package which has unmet dependencies |
| 17:04.12 | geo-rge | (1) install the packages your desired package depends on |
| 17:04.20 | geo-rge | (2) install your package |
| 17:04.41 | geo-rge | (this is what apt-get or aptitude should do) |
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| 17:05.29 | xLoGic | hello everyone. how can i change the ipod icon that shows up on the kde desktop when i plug it in? or add a new usb device and create an icon for it? |
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| 17:06.51 | jetscreamer | edit the theme? edit the .png/.svg file ? |
| 17:06.54 | xLoGic | i guess it has something to do with device id? |
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| 17:08.06 | Pete_B | hi. I installed Etch using 3 SCSI disks, RAID1 for /, RAID 5 and LVM for the rest. GRUB was installed to MBR. When I boot from any HD I get "GRUB" repeated infinitely. Whats up? |
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| 17:08.21 | xLoGic | i guess my question is more like: how does kde know i plugged in an ipod, and not a usb harddisk. where does it save the "device id -- icon to be used" relationship? |
| 17:08.34 | pflanze | tralala: after entering the crypt password, the partitioner showed the whole partition as one ext3; changed to lvm pv, entered lvm setup, had to regenerate the vg, the lv's. And now that the lv's are there again, I see no way to specify the partition type w/o formatting them. |
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| 17:10.40 | pflanze | I guess I'm SOL. So start whole thing over. This time w/o encryption and lvm. |
| 17:10.42 | jetscreamer | 'probably' some id in the ipod |
| 17:10.50 | wols_ | solar_ant: which package which debian version? |
| 17:10.52 | pflanze | (hate it though) |
| 17:11.08 | jetscreamer | like partition type kinda |
| 17:11.15 | jetscreamer | but no idea exactly what |
| 17:11.32 | solar_ant | wols_: the dpkg way worked |
| 17:11.33 | geo-rge | encryption?? umm good luck :) expecially having the ability to boot rescue media |
| 17:11.36 | wols_ | solar_ant: and just let me tell you: apt or dpkg options won't help you install it. you can install it but then you cannot install anything else cause you broke your packaging system |
| 17:11.41 | solar_ant | python-compizconfig |
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| 17:13.09 | geo-rge | and apt/dpkg won't let you do anything until you fix that (which means either remove the offending package or install its deps) |
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| 17:14.26 | groton | hello. Anyone could tell me the right howto to read to start using my wireless usb stick USRobotics 802.11g? |
| 17:14.56 | solar_ant | wols_: aint there a work around to make package maanger think that its not broken ? |
| 17:15.09 | wols_ | groton: first find out what chip it uses. then load the appropriate driver |
| 17:15.21 | wols_ | !tell solar_ant about equivs |
| 17:15.29 | groton | wols_, yes, i think so too, how to get the chip used? google? i will do |
| 17:15.38 | wols_ | groton: lsusb too |
| 17:15.54 | solar_ant | wols_: thanks :) |
| 17:16.13 | geo-rge | solar_ant: install the software and NOT the package |
| 17:16.55 | geo-rge | and read the README to determine what you have to do and what else you have to install (apply this recursively for each) in order to get it working. |
| 17:17.18 | solar_ant | just python 2.5 and i have installed it |
| 17:17.30 | solar_ant | i will install equivs as wols_ said :) |
| 17:17.51 | geo-rge | it still won't install? what does it say it needs? |
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| 17:18.40 | jetscreamer | python 2.5 isn't in sid, right? |
| 17:18.48 | jetscreamer | or wrong? |
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| 17:19.10 | geo-rge | !info python2.5 |
| 17:19.15 | dpkg | python2.5: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.5)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.5.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3004 kB, Installed size: 10268 kB |
| 17:19.21 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 17:19.28 | jetscreamer | yes or no woulda worked though |
| 17:19.31 | jetscreamer | thanks |
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| 17:19.40 | somian | "interactive"? wth makes python "interactive"? |
| 17:19.54 | Hodapp | somian: type 'python' and hit enter |
| 17:20.05 | geo-rge | what makes C non-interactive? |
| 17:20.07 | solar_ant | geo-rge: i didnt know deb sid had that package :) |
| 17:20.10 | solar_ant | thanks ! |
| 17:20.10 | somian | So it provides a shell? |
| 17:20.20 | somian | I meant without the "?" |
| 17:20.33 | solar_ant | geo-rge: cause its compiled |
| 17:20.39 | geo-rge | right |
| 17:20.41 | somian | Most scripting lnaguages do that. |
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| 17:21.01 | solar_ant | c is just too lovely :) |
| 17:21.07 | psyco-ob1wan | are there any language packs for gnome in etch available ? I cant find any with aptitude and googling only brings ubuntu links up... |
| 17:21.08 | jetscreamer | python/perl don't do standalone apps though right? |
| 17:21.15 | jetscreamer | and c/c++ can |
| 17:21.16 | solar_ant | jetscreamer: perl does |
| 17:21.18 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 17:21.21 | solar_ant | not sure about python |
| 17:21.30 | Hodapp | standalone apps? |
| 17:21.35 | jetscreamer | but don't you need perl installed? |
| 17:21.40 | somian | Hodapp: I know .... sheesh |
| 17:21.52 | jetscreamer | apps/scripts you can run w/o having perl/python installed i mean |
| 17:21.56 | solar_ant | jetscreamer: no , the stand alone app has a tiny interpreter appended to the top of script |
| 17:22.00 | jetscreamer | ahh |
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| 17:24.05 | solar_ant | psyco-ob1wan: apt-get cache search gnome locale |
| 17:24.09 | wols_ | psyco-ob1wan: user-XX usually |
| 17:24.13 | solar_ant | psyco-ob1wan: apt-cache search gnome locale |
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| 17:25.20 | psyco-ob1wan | solar_ant, wols_: thx, ill try. |
| 17:25.33 | wols_ | jetscreamer: python for windows has py2exe which bundles python interpreter with the script in a big .exe file |
| 17:25.44 | wols_ | they all work the same: bundle interpreter and script in big file |
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| 17:28.12 | davi | We invite you to join the new #gnuherds channel at the IRC network: /server oftc.net |
| 17:28.35 | geo-rge | davi: that's seriously annoying |
| 17:28.43 | davi | sorry |
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| 17:28.54 | geo-rge | but I know you knew that |
| 17:28.59 | somian | Thanks davi, good to know |
| 17:29.05 | davi | sorry |
| 17:29.09 | aadil | davi, will there be free pr0n there? |
| 17:29.11 | aadil | :> |
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| 17:30.17 | somian | Heaven forbid anyone be lured off this channel to another channel where other people doing Free software / GNU/Linux are trying to support something for no tangible personal gain, eh. How objectionable! |
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| 17:30.40 | Ronin | somian: its the spamming of it that is objectionable |
| 17:30.47 | geo-rge | bigtime |
| 17:30.55 | Miles_Prower | Yap! |
| 17:31.03 | somian | Exactly what format would you like such an announcement made, Ronin? |
| 17:31.03 | geo-rge | the polite thing to do would have been to ask |
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| 17:31.14 | somian | Sure, its good to ask. |
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| 17:31.46 | geo-rge | like: "can I tell you all about a free software resource you might be interested in?" |
| 17:31.51 | Ronin | somian: i would have preferred not to see spam at all but if one must advertise a new channel etc. asking is always nice |
| 17:31.55 | somian | I'm just questioning the overreaction that points to the absurd balkanization that seems to happen on irc. |
| 17:32.01 | somian | Total loss of perscpective. |
| 17:32.11 | somian | Or some word like that ;-) |
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| 17:32.31 | leleobhz | someone have tryed to install debian into a proliant 800 |
| 17:32.44 | tbamr | somian: what does balls nization mean ? |
| 17:33.07 | somian | Spam is done for tangible personal gain or to promote a political agenda. |
| 17:33.25 | somian | Calling this "spam" is an example of knee-jerk overreaction and absence of perspective. |
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| 17:33.37 | xlotlu | if i configure the interfaces file with wpa-ssid, it doesn't work... but if i configure it with wireless-essid and start wpa_supplicant from pre-up it works... |
| 17:33.38 | somian | The worst it is, is discourtesy. |
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| 17:33.49 | jetscreamer | balls-in-nation |
| 17:33.54 | xand | spam can be more than that |
| 17:33.56 | tbamr | :P |
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| 17:34.05 | Erik__ | I DL'ed the 3 DVD's of Deb4, erased my windows, started to install debian. all goes well, and at the end, after rebooting, the boot avalanche comes by and the the video goes into soms sleepmode: the screen light goes from yellow to orange and there is n\a warning that the screen does not get any signal anymore from the nvidia geforce fx5200 video card. Any suggestions ? Unbunto 7.04 installs... |
| 17:34.06 | Erik__ | ...flawless..... |
| 17:34.10 | tbamr | balls-between-your-legs |
| 17:34.12 | somian | tbmar: ever read "The Lord of the Flies"? |
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| 17:35.25 | Ronin | somian: know what else is considered spamming in many channels? those silly system status scripts so spam is in the eye of the beholder |
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| 17:35.42 | mutante | hi, is it normal to automatically get cronjobs installed with apt-get'ing PHP? for example i have hourly: Jun 24 16:39:01 84-16-233-231 /USR/SBIN/CRON[23977]: (root) CMD ( [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] && find /var/lib/php5/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) -print0 | xargs -r -0 rm) for PHP4 and PHP5 in cron.log but couldnt detect in which crontab they are yet and if i need it |
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| 17:35.58 | jetscreamer | Erik__: i'm not sure it will help, but hit e to edit the grub menu on_boot, then hit e to edit the kernel line, and either remove vga=whatever or add vga=normal... like i said, not sure it will work but i had something like that (fx5200) lately and that 'seemed' to work for me |
| 17:36.00 | somian | I guess I disagree. "Spam" seems very well defined and has been for years. |
| 17:36.49 | Erik__ | thnx screamer. I will try. |
| 17:37.05 | somian | Calling something you don't like a name that doesn't fit what it actually is, just because its short to type and likely to gain the agreement of a significant number of others, is also a well-defined IRC behavior. |
| 17:37.07 | fausto | hi |
| 17:37.15 | simonrvn | mutante: yes; obviously root superuser |
| 17:37.21 | fausto | how i can enable on opie wifi on hx4700 |
| 17:37.29 | somian | Like calling anyone who disagrees with you a "troll". I'm just waiting for that one. |
| 17:37.40 | simonrvn | !troll somian |
| 17:37.45 | mutante | simonrvn: if i "crontab -l" as root "no crontab for root" |
| 17:37.46 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 17:37.49 | Ronin | heh |
| 17:38.25 | fausto | sorry |
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| 17:38.28 | fausto | wrong channel |
| 17:38.30 | xlotlu | mutante: afaik that's a debian sanity addon, to cleanup old session files. otherwise php might "revitalize" dead sessions when somebody presents the specific session key -- an open inventation to session hijacking |
| 17:38.33 | Ronin | somian: i don't call folks who disagree with me trolls, they can't help being wrong |
| 17:38.37 | simonrvn | mutante: that's root's own crontab... you'll probably want to check /etc/cron.* |
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| 17:38.55 | othmane214 | bonsoir |
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| 17:39.08 | mutante | xlotlu, simonrvn: thank you |
| 17:39.09 | somian | Ronin: good, you have half a clue then anyway |
| 17:39.09 | simonrvn | 'invitation' ;) |
| 17:39.28 | xlotlu | indeed |
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| 17:40.01 | simonrvn | unless you were trying to inventate a new word ;p |
| 17:40.05 | xlotlu | though it's a php invention featuring an invitation... inventation sounds good |
| 17:40.20 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:40.48 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 17:40.48 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 17:40.55 | mutante | xlotlu: i just noticed this cause i have problems running other PHP scripts via crontab, i have a couple PHP scripts in there started as shell script with cli, and a few of them run and show up in cron.log and a few dont, but there are also no errors, and i can all run them manually as the same user that owns the crontab, and there are full pathes in there |
| 17:41.00 | somian | Anyone else find that this site: http://www.ecoeek.org/ is well-nigh /.-ed after being on tv? or is it just slow network here? |
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| 17:42.25 | simonrvn | my irssi urlgrabber got a 500 with that hostname |
| 17:42.40 | simonrvn | [HEAD] 500 Can't connect to www.ecoeek.org:80 (Bad hostname 'www.ecoeek.org') |
| 17:42.51 | jetscreamer | ecogeek maybe is what i thought |
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| 17:45.16 | somian | Sorry, my bad: www.ecogeek.org |
| 17:45.49 | somian | good guess, jetscreamer |
| 17:46.57 | simonrvn | i'm getting it fine |
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| 17:48.33 | simonrvn | i'm was just daydreaming of smaller solar panels the other day, the size of a packe of smokes, prvoding energy for a totally solar-powered vehicle |
| 17:48.38 | simonrvn | pack* |
| 17:48.50 | simonrvn | providing* |
| 17:49.19 | artwood | hey it's normal that when I reboot the pc I have to configure pppoeconf? |
| 17:49.23 | graytron | there's just the problem of a finite amount of solar energy per square cm |
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| 17:52.36 | simonrvn | yeh, but if you can capture the whole spectrum on that small space ;) |
| 17:53.05 | jetscreamer | hey cool i needed the ecogeek site for reference.... manna |
| 17:53.51 | jetscreamer | does anybody need to buy a zippo lighter? :) |
| 17:53.55 | jetscreamer | j/k |
| 17:53.58 | jetscreamer | kinda |
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| 17:54.50 | jetscreamer | artwood: not configure it every reboot, i don't think that's normal, but i dunno |
| 17:55.19 | wurong | hello everyone |
| 17:55.36 | jetscreamer | hey it's wurng... err wrung... err worng.... |
| 17:55.54 | quitte | artwood: no it's not. have you tried bringing up the connection with pon dsl-provider? |
| 17:56.14 | wurong | hey, how do I change my nickname? |
| 17:56.21 | jetscreamer | /nick somenick |
| 17:56.31 | Rodger | ok |
| 17:56.33 | Rodger | that is good |
| 17:56.34 | Rodger | thanks |
| 17:56.48 | somian | Glad I could facilitate some serendipity, jetscreamer :) |
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| 17:57.10 | Rodger | I am now happily irc-ing on my debian-windows box |
| 17:57.21 | jetscreamer | me too |
| 17:57.28 | somian | Up here in Buffalo, its not easy to say "Yes" to solar ;-( |
| 17:57.30 | quitte | i thought debian gnu/win32 was dead |
| 17:58.06 | jetscreamer | i saw a commercial for 'confessions of a matchmaker' that said buffalo was the official lonly hearts capitol |
| 17:58.12 | jetscreamer | lonely |
| 17:58.18 | somian | We're finally starting to do some serious wind generation though |
| 17:58.26 | somian | I watched that show last night, jetscreamer |
| 17:58.32 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 17:58.46 | somian | It's surreal to see your city when you don't live in a place that has TV shows |
| 17:58.47 | jetscreamer | come to think of it, i can see why you would |
| 17:58.48 | jetscreamer | ya |
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| 17:59.59 | somian | BTW, wrt that promo spot, it used a headline in a newspaper named the "Buffalo Post", that's the headline that said "Buffalo Named Official Lonely Hearts Capitol" ... thing is, there is no such newspaper ;-) |
| 18:00.00 | Rodger | where in gnome can I set my workgroup? |
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| 18:00.36 | omri | how do you guys monitor your servers? |
| 18:00.53 | somian | Rodger: look for a Samba application and if their isn't one, install one (I know about Gsambad, that's one) |
| 18:01.07 | somian | s/their/there/ # HATE that typo! |
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| 18:01.38 | Groundy | hrm, what's the "default" telnet server that debian installs? |
| 18:01.47 | jetscreamer | telnet maybe |
| 18:01.59 | Groundy | is it inetutils-telnetd, telnetd, telnetd-ddl, or krb5-telnetd |
| 18:02.13 | jetscreamer | try dpkg -l |
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| 18:02.35 | Groundy | jetscreamer: well I know what I have installed at the moment, but I wondered what the default was |
| 18:02.48 | artwood | quitte:well I Have try pon-dsl provider |
| 18:02.56 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.04 | Groundy | mmm, probably a good thing |
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| 18:03.38 | Groundy | I should probably just unisntall it completely |
| 18:03.47 | somian | I kind of think that there would be no telnetd installed by default on Debian |
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| 18:03.53 | jetscreamer | it's 'probably' standard or importand |
| 18:03.53 | somian | Ja |
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| 18:04.01 | jetscreamer | ant |
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| 18:04.05 | artwood | quitte:but nothing, I have to configure another time pppoeconf, it's not a problem with the modem, with ubuntu I have not to configure at any reboot.. |
| 18:04.12 | Groundy | yea, I installed it on my home server so that I could use telnet across the local network which I trust |
| 18:04.21 | Groundy | but I should really be using ssh, |
| 18:04.26 | jetscreamer | Source: netkit-telnet |
| 18:04.34 | concept10 | whats the best place to purchase a NSLU2? The yips over at Fry's dont know what the hell it is. |
| 18:04.59 | somian | Heh, "yips", that's a new one on me |
| 18:05.06 | Groundy | jetscreamer: yea, that's plain old telnetd then |
| 18:05.33 | Groundy | I'll add it to my remove list |
| 18:05.37 | jetscreamer | said it provided telnet-client didn't say d or server or whatever |
| 18:05.48 | jetscreamer | apt-cache show telnet |
| 18:05.49 | concept10 | somian, thats my new word I invented for people who think they know something about tech but dont know crap |
| 18:05.52 | Rodger | somian, I can see my other windows pc from my debian |
| 18:06.10 | Rodger | but I can't see my debian box from the windows pc |
| 18:06.19 | somian | concept10: good invention, it works for me |
| 18:06.27 | simonrvn | western civ.: the only 'civilisation' in existence past or present that has as its focus its economy. |
| 18:06.28 | jetscreamer | Rodger: it's usually firewall related when that happens to me |
| 18:06.43 | simonrvn | it's plainly obvious when you see things like: |
| 18:07.15 | simonrvn | " We need an economy that asks questions other than "how can I make it bigger?" the two key additional questions: "how can the economy make us more satisfied with our lives?" and, in an age of ecological peril, "how can the economy assure some durability for our communities?"" |
| 18:07.15 | jetscreamer | it's taken a while for the merchant guild to obtain more power |
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| 18:07.38 | concept10 | somian, I asked a guy "Where are the Network Attached Storage Devices?" He said "Do you mean External Harddrives?", I said "No. More like a harddrive with a internal server" He said, "A Server is a WHOLE computer!", I called him a yip and walked-off |
| 18:07.41 | simonrvn | every other one the focus is society at some level |
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| 18:08.00 | somian | buy.com seems to sell NSLU2's, concept10 |
| 18:08.02 | jetscreamer | nas |
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| 18:08.08 | jetscreamer | where is the NAS |
| 18:08.11 | quitte | artwood: the command is pon dsl-provider, where dsl-provider is the config file in /etc/ppp/peers. pon-dsl can not work |
| 18:08.22 | jetscreamer | gah coffee gone |
| 18:08.50 | simonrvn | see yuo |
| 18:08.50 | Rodger | firewall on my windows? |
| 18:08.52 | simonrvn | you |
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| 18:09.17 | somian | concept10: sorry to hear that Fry's is so pitiful, that sounds like a good ol' [In]Comp[etence]USA experience (we don't have Fry |
| 18:09.26 | somian | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.10 | concept10 | somian, okay, thanks. I was hoping to buy one locally.. oh, well, I guess online will have to do. |
| 18:10.11 | pipeline | concept10: Oh my god, you mean sales guys paid $5 an hour plus commission vary in competence and depth of understanding? I'm fucking horrified. How dare they let such chumps on the sales floor! |
| 18:10.12 | simonrvn | gimme a lighter that'll heat a small amount of plasma, using poo gas or some other fuel, and i'll be happy |
| 18:10.17 | somian | I've noisily walked out of Buffalo's CompUSA 3 times over the years, and went years between visits, informally boycotting them. |
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| 18:10.46 | simonrvn | at our house we boycott all sorts of places, for various reasons |
| 18:10.55 | pipeline | Fry's is a completely different sort of store from CompUSA. |
| 18:11.01 | pipeline | Better prices, vastly wider selection. |
| 18:11.54 | somian | pipeline: it's the corporation's fault. I don't care what they're paid, its the fact that the corp refuses to train anyone that burns me. |
| 18:11.54 | pipeline | I found an MMJ crimper there the other day. That was pretty impressive. |
| 18:11.54 | somian | Receiving training is a benefit |
| 18:11.54 | pipeline | somian: Err, it's not the company's job to train salespeople. They'll learn that stuff on their own. Or not. |
| 18:11.54 | pipeline | somian: That's why they get a commission :P |
| 18:11.54 | simonrvn | we don't have those here |
| 18:11.55 | concept10 | pipeline, A salesperson doesnt have to be a complete geek, but dont act like you know everything if you dont is what im saying. Another guy asked what I was going to do with it. I said install Debian Linux, and he asked about it and where he could get it from. He was cool.. |
| 18:11.55 | geo-rge | whats mmj |
| 18:12.13 | pipeline | geo-rge: It looks like an 8-pin modular jack, but the, err, retention lug is offset. |
| 18:12.20 | pipeline | geo-rge: Like lego mindstorms cabling in a mirror |
| 18:12.33 | somian | Wow, exotic ;-) |
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| 18:13.15 | geo-rge | what is it typically used for |
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| 18:13.40 | J_P | hi all |
| 18:13.47 | pipeline | RS-232 |
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| 18:14.20 | somian | The strange end of the story is that CompUSA (in a very high-visibility location on Niagara Falls Blvd, a locale that most Buffalonians go to shop) seemed to be closed down last time I went by ... I guess my boycott worked ;-( |
| 18:15.15 | simonrvn | i guess you're pretty close to akwesasne if you're in buffalo |
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| 18:15.36 | somian | pipeline: I kind of thought (and coud well be wrong) that RS-232 was itself a physical connection spec, usually used for serial lines ... is it a protocol instead? |
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| 18:16.00 | pipeline | somian: RS-232 says what goes over the wires. It never had a standard for which plugs/wires you ran it over. |
| 18:16.29 | somian | simonrvn: I associate akwesasne with the name of an Indian nation, is that what you mean? |
| 18:17.00 | somian | pipeline: gotcha ... it's an electrical spec, basically, is that a good way to put it? |
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| 18:18.22 | pipeline | somian: Yes. |
| 18:18.31 | pipeline | somian: But you see RS-232 going over all kinds of plugs. |
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| 18:19.10 | pipeline | somian: Obviously the most common are DB25, DE9, and 8-pin MJ. But all kinds of weird stuff is out there. |
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| 18:21.30 | somian | That might explain what I noticed on one of my recently-purchased UPS' (little home unit, not big datacenter unit); a weird modular telco-like plug on the UPS end of an attachment cable, and a DB9 on the PC end ;) |
| 18:22.05 | somian | Yet afaik most UPS's use serial to communicate status to a ost pc, if they have anything at all. |
| 18:22.15 | somian | host* pc |
| 18:22.17 | DocPlatypus | what might explain... I missed the first part of that |
| 18:22.23 | DocPlatypus | I think most of them now use USB |
| 18:22.31 | somian | <pipeline> somian: But you see RS-232 going over all kinds of plugs. |
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| 18:22.46 | somian | That was for DocPlatypus :) |
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| 18:22.56 | ELSEGO | hola people |
| 18:22.58 | somian | bbialw |
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| 18:23.51 | pipeline | somian: That's just because APC are dicks. |
| 18:24.09 | pipeline | somian: Their modular plug carries serial and USB on the same jack. And they don't publish the pinouts, because they want to charge you $20 for the cable :) |
| 18:24.37 | xlotlu | bah.. neither /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf nor /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf are considered when bringing an interface up .. and the wpa-roam configuration doesn't work |
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| 18:25.06 | Erik__ | Hm...once more: I DOL'ed the 3 DVD's of DB4, started install. all went well, until rebooting the new installation: then teh boot avalanche scrolls by, the video signal to the ACER AL1716 flatscreen from the nvidia geforce fx5200 is dropped (screen led from yellow to orange) .The following boot commands are found when typing 'e' at startup: |
| 18:25.08 | Erik__ | root (hd0,0) |
| 18:25.09 | Erik__ | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-k7 root=/dev/hda1 ro vga=normal single |
| 18:25.11 | Erik__ | initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 18:25.13 | Erik__ | savedefault |
| 18:25.14 | Erik__ | erasing vga=normal from this don't help.... |
| 18:25.16 | Erik__ | any suggestions ? |
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| 18:26.20 | pipeline | Erik__: Try acpi=off. Then try acpi=off in combination with "noapic nolapic". You really don't want to use those last ones. |
| 18:26.43 | vin` | xlotlu: tried /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz ? |
| 18:26.54 | Erik__ | pipeline where do i type this ? |
| 18:27.10 | pipeline | Erik__: They're additional kernel arguments. |
| 18:27.14 | geo-rge | and consider vertical irc bandwidth, when you pasted, that was a lot of separate lines |
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| 18:27.24 | xlotlu | vin`: my config is based on that |
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| 18:28.46 | Erik__ | pipeline: ok |
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| 18:29.07 | pipeline | Erik__: acpi=off just disables acpi, which is no big deal. Disabling APIC is a pretty bad thing to do on an MP system, though :( |
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| 18:32.12 | Toast | Hi, I have a routing problem which I have been trying to solve for a while now. Reading the man pages of iptables and route is just making my head spin. Could anyone help me understand what I am ment to be doing? |
| 18:32.23 | xlotlu | vin`: my bad, the roaming config works; yet i don't know how to bring the interface up automatically |
| 18:32.57 | geo-rge | Toast: you are meant to have strawberrry jam on you |
| 18:33.13 | Toast | Or marmite |
| 18:33.15 | valdyn | !wayttd Toast |
| 18:33.16 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Toast? |
| 18:33.18 | geo-rge | seriously... specifics :) what is the desired shape of your net? |
| 18:33.43 | Toast | ok, I have two network cards. One on my main lan, and the other on a special lan. |
| 18:33.59 | Toast | I want requests to an address on the main lan from the special lan to get through. |
| 18:34.24 | Toast | eth0 192.168.0.xxx = main lan: eth1 192.168.1.xxx special lan |
| 18:34.30 | valdyn | Toast: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 18:34.41 | Toast | 1 |
| 18:35.15 | valdyn | Toast: show the output of route |
| 18:35.19 | valdyn | !paste |
| 18:35.20 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 18:35.51 | Toast | 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 18:35.51 | Toast | 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 18:35.51 | Toast | default 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 18:36.12 | valdyn | Toast: looks fine, all is good |
| 18:36.12 | hermogenes | Toast: Listen to dpkg |
| 18:36.30 | Toast | hermogenes: no more than 3 lines... pasted 3 lines. |
| 18:36.54 | anapivirtua | Hi world |
| 18:37.01 | vin` | xlotlu: adding 'allow-hotplug' or 'auto' usually works |
| 18:37.10 | geo-rge | but you;re forgetting that there are an awful lot of people here |
| 18:37.14 | Toast | I don't even need the request to leave the box. The address on the main lan I am after is hosted on the same box. |
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| 18:37.32 | geo-rge | what you send is resent by the irc server 800 times |
| 18:38.02 | valdyn | Toast: your routing table is fine on that box, your ip forwarding is enabled. What is the problem? |
| 18:38.03 | Toast | geo-rge: not a problem, I was just following instructions. If you guys would prefere I used the paste channel, I will. |
| 18:38.45 | geo-rge | well I'm just asking you to consider that extra point of data while you use your own judgement |
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| 18:39.08 | Toast | valdyn: it doesn't work. If I ping the address of eth0 from a box on the special network, it gets a network is unreachable error. |
| 18:39.34 | valdyn | Toast: so the routing on that box is not ok |
| 18:39.53 | valdyn | Toast: show that one too.. |
| 18:39.55 | Toast | ok, so it's the second box I need to fix. Thanks. |
| 18:40.05 | Toast | Could it be that I have my DCHP server set up wrong? |
| 18:40.12 | valdyn | Toast: sure |
| 18:40.28 | Toast | This box is not listing any gateway. |
| 18:40.58 | geo-rge | coul |
| 18:41.00 | geo-rge | err |
| 18:41.12 | valdyn | Toast: that sentence made no sense |
| 18:41.14 | geo-rge | and that can be set in the dhcp server |
| 18:41.36 | geo-rge | valdyn: sounds like dhcp server did not send default route |
| 18:41.41 | koojoo | is there any way to have it when someone telnets into my system that it AUTOMATICAALY logs in as user BBS and runs the bbs shell? i have it setup to run /bbs/mystic/mystic as user bbs when someone telnets to port 23, but the problem there is that user bbs actual;ly isnt logged in, so i am unable to snoop and see what is going on. |
| 18:41.41 | quitte | it is possible to set more than the default gateway with dhcp? |
| 18:41.56 | Erik__ | pipeline: after apic=off etc... it says hdc: interrupt lost... so this gives me other problems |
| 18:42.00 | valdyn | Toast: ops,( i misread ) it needs to list your gateway |
| 18:42.37 | geo-rge | Toast: what if you were to add the default route manually on that box? think that would work? if it does, look at internal dhcp |
| 18:42.43 | Toast | valdyn: just put the output of route to that webpage. |
| 18:42.55 | valdyn | Toast: paste the URL here.. |
| 18:43.13 | valdyn | Toast: default 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 is your addition? |
| 18:43.27 | Toast | http://paste.debian.net/31262 |
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| 18:43.52 | Toast | That is showing the output of route from the box on the special netork. |
| 18:44.04 | geo-rge | there's no default route ther |
| 18:44.09 | valdyn | Toast: 'route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 18:44.22 | KDan | Hello, I'm trying to open something through xvfb-run under Debian Etch. I keep getting "Error: Can't open display: :99" error messages. /tmp/.X11-unix/X99 exists, and i tried running it under sudo so I don't think it's a permissions problem. Anyone got any idea/pointers for how I can resolve that? Couldn't find much on google unfortunately.. |
| 18:44.23 | valdyn | err ops |
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| 18:44.32 | KDan | (this is on a server, of course) |
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| 18:44.34 | geo-rge | if that works, make it perm by altering dhcp server config |
| 18:44.53 | valdyn | Toast: hold: it should be 'route add default gw 192.168.1.1' i ASSUME, you didnt actually tell me the actual ips |
| 18:44.59 | Erik__ | Hm...once more: I DOL'ed the 3 DVD's of DB4, started install. all went well, until rebooting the new installation: then teh boot avalanche scrolls by, the video signal to the ACER AL1716 flatscreen from the nvidia geforce fx5200 is dropped (screen led from yellow to orange) .The following boot commands are found when typing 'e' at startup: |
| 18:45.00 | Erik__ | root (hd0,0) |
| 18:45.02 | Erik__ | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-k7 root=/dev/hda1 ro vga=normal single |
| 18:45.03 | Erik__ | initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 18:45.05 | Erik__ | savedefault |
| 18:45.06 | Erik__ | erasing vga=normal from this don't help.... |
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| 18:45.08 | Erik__ | acpi=off added to the kernel boot does not help either |
| 18:45.10 | Erik__ | any suggestions ? |
| 18:45.14 | geo-rge | that was a repeated paste |
| 18:45.18 | valdyn | !tell Erik__ -about enter |
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| 18:45.39 | geo-rge | Erik__ did -exactly- that several minutes ago |
| 18:45.54 | geo-rge | kinda like it's on a timer |
| 18:45.56 | Toast | valdyn, it's 192.168.0.189. 192.168.0.1 is the router which connects to the wider internet. Boxes on the special network do not need access to the internet. |
| 18:45.57 | Erik__ | not exactly |
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| 18:46.13 | Toast | route: SIOC[ADD|DEL]RT: Network is unreachable |
| 18:46.22 | valdyn | Toast: oh, that might make things more complicated depending on how you want to route this.. |
| 18:46.41 | geo-rge | Erik__: put all that stuff on a web page, have a brief "subject line" question and the url |
| 18:46.56 | valdyn | Toast: show me the new routing table if it changed.. |
| 18:47.05 | Toast | Firstly I just want to get it working, then I want to learn how to do it properly. |
| 18:47.13 | Toast | no change. |
| 18:47.19 | valdyn | Toast: ok, fine. |
| 18:47.28 | geo-rge | hmm |
| 18:47.42 | Toast | Let me open up another session and check my DCHP server config. |
| 18:48.13 | somian | pipeline: Oh! I SEE. $#!*&#%$ APC ... |
| 18:49.05 | KDan | Hello, I'm trying to open something through xvfb-run under Debian Etch. I keep getting "Error: Can't open display: :99" error messages. /tmp/.X11-unix/X99 exists, and i tried running it under sudo so I don't think it's a permissions problem. Anyone got any idea/pointers for how I can resolve that? Couldn't find much on google unfortunately... Yes, I've also tried exporting DISPLAY (to :99 and localhost:0.0)... no joy... |
| 18:49.42 | Toast | I have the line "option routers" commented out. |
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| 18:49.55 | geo-rge | Toast: you have no routes to 192.168.0.* |
| 18:50.04 | geo-rge | that's why network is unreachable |
| 18:50.25 | Toast | ok. Where whould it get it's route list from? DHCP? |
| 18:50.51 | valdyn | Toast: try that: 'route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.0.189' ( if you intend to have 2 seperate routes for local net vs internet ) |
| 18:50.55 | geo-rge | probably it gets one general route and a gw route |
| 18:52.27 | Erik__ | on , I think SUSE, i can set screen resolotion at install time. can I do that with Debian4 ? |
| 18:52.27 | geo-rge | so you specifiy the gw for each -net route for that case |
| 18:52.27 | Toast | Valdyn: geo-rge: network is unreachable again. |
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| 18:52.28 | geo-rge | when you do which part? |
| 18:52.28 | valdyn | Toast: i cant tell much without seeing your actual routing table again |
| 18:52.30 | hermogenes | Erik__: Yes |
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| 18:53.03 | Erik__ | hermogenes: and.......how ? :-) |
| 18:53.19 | Toast | geo-rge: when I ran the command that valdyn suggested, thats when it complained. |
| 18:53.25 | geo-rge | ok |
| 18:53.31 | Toast | valdyn: there is no change to the table. |
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| 18:53.49 | Toast | I've going to reboot the box to get a new dchp config. |
| 18:53.51 | Erik__ | i think I have done it within VMware in windows.....with debian.. but I'm not sure |
| 18:54.01 | valdyn | Toast: no you dont need to reboot |
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| 18:54.44 | Toast | valdyn: too late now, but for future reference, what would I have had to do? |
| 18:54.54 | hermogenes | Erik__: On X installation debconf would ask you configuration questions |
| 18:54.55 | valdyn | Toast: restart the dhcp server ( '/etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart' for instance ) and reconfigure the interface on the client ( ifdown eth0;ifup eth0 ) |
| 18:55.01 | geo-rge | keep futzing with it for now :) |
| 18:55.08 | pipeline | Erik__: Well, time for noapic/nolapic, I guess :( |
| 18:55.10 | GrahamA | Is anybody here from the UK who could show me their /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 18:55.16 | pipeline | Erik__: Sounds like you have some seriously broken hardware :( |
| 18:55.28 | pipeline | Erik__: Most hardware has broken APCI and APIC to some extent. |
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| 18:55.35 | streuner | GrahamA: ftp.uk.debian.org ? |
| 18:55.36 | geo-rge | GrahamA: or you can get a mirror list from www.debian.org |
| 18:55.38 | alecssys | how do i mount an .uif file ? |
| 18:55.38 | pipeline | Erik__: Yours sounds like it's towards the "very fucking busted" end of the scale. |
| 18:55.38 | Toast | valdyn: I did just restart the dchp server, but didn't want to risk taking down the interface to the client, as it is the one I was connected to to control it. |
| 18:55.44 | streuner | !mirrors |
| 18:55.44 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 18:56.10 | valdyn | Toast: not to the client, on the client |
| 18:56.40 | Toast | valdyn: my only control of the client is through ethernet. |
| 18:56.46 | GrahamA | streuner: I installed from the net inst cd and the installer didn't work with my wireless card, so it didn't enable any repositories. |
| 18:56.47 | valdyn | Toast: right |
| 18:57.15 | valdyn | Toast: so you'll have to wait for the clients dhclient to rerequest dhcp info or do the same manually |
| 18:57.26 | Toast | Well, it's a box with an ethernet port, an IR input for a TV style remote control and a scart socket. |
| 18:57.43 | muhoo | topic |
| 18:57.54 | Toast | I rebooted the client and no change. |
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| 18:58.26 | GrahamA | !apt-setup |
| 18:58.27 | dpkg | i heard apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. no longer available in etch and later since base-config was removed, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html. Gone from etch and sid. |
| 18:58.38 | Toast | I wonder if the client is capable of routing to a different network. |
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| 18:58.49 | valdyn | Toast: umm, sure |
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| 18:59.13 | Toast | The server is the debian box. Not sure what the client is running... something on a 2.4 kernel. |
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| 18:59.34 | muhoo | is php4 depreciated in sid? |
| 18:59.37 | valdyn | Toast: only the kernel is relevant. If its linux it should be fine |
| 18:59.39 | muhoo | sorry, in sarge? |
| 18:59.47 | Erik__ | pipeline: acpi is disabled in BIOS. is that correct ? |
| 18:59.50 | Toast | valdyn: 2.4.31-v1.1-hcwmvp |
| 18:59.58 | pipeline | Erik__: Well, looks like acpi=off is redundant, then :) |
| 18:59.59 | Toast | embedded linux. |
| 19:00.06 | pipeline | Erik__: try disabling APIC now (noapic nolapic) |
| 19:00.07 | muhoo | gah! |
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| 19:00.30 | muhoo | is php4 SEVERELY fucked up in sarge? http://rafb.net/p/pRf1xV34.html |
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| 19:01.02 | valdyn | Toast: setting a routing like this is very simple, hard thing is getting complete information from you ;) |
| 19:01.40 | muhoo | sorry, etch |
| 19:01.44 | Toast | valdyn: Think I've made some progress. |
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| 19:01.59 | muhoo | ever since the release of etch, this machine has been having serious broken dependency problems |
| 19:02.02 | w_reis | i'm just install debian on my laptop and i cant init xserver. |
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| 19:02.13 | olskolirc | hi hi |
| 19:02.24 | Erik__ | pipeline: nope: same situation |
| 19:02.24 | muhoo | the only thing i have in my sources.list is: |
| 19:02.25 | muhoo | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 19:02.26 | olskolirc | do i have to know php to learn sql or mysql please? |
| 19:02.26 | muhoo | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 19:02.27 | Toast | valdyn: sorry, thought I had given all info I have been asked. If you let me know what I have missed, I send it again. |
| 19:02.36 | muhoo | and security too, of course |
| 19:02.47 | xand | muhoo: was it "stable" before etch was released? |
| 19:02.49 | w_reis | can somebody help me? |
| 19:02.53 | muhoo | yes |
| 19:02.56 | KDan | Hello, I'm trying to open something through xvfb-run under Debian Etch. I keep getting "Error: Can't open display: :99" error messages. /tmp/.X11-unix/X99 exists, and i tried running it under sudo so I don't think it's a permissions problem. Anyone got any idea/pointers for how I can resolve that? Couldn't find much on google unfortunately... Yes, I've also tried exporting DISPLAY (to :99 and localhost:0.0)... no joy... |
| 19:02.57 | Toast | I put a slightly different command in , now I can ping eth0 on the server from the client. |
| 19:03.06 | valdyn | Toast: you dhcp server needs an entry 'option routers 192.168.0.189;' inside the appropriate subnet section |
| 19:03.08 | xand | muhoo: did you upgrade it properly from sarge to etch or just let apt-get do it? |
| 19:03.10 | muhoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.19 | muhoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.34 | xand | muhoo: just doing that can break things |
| 19:03.38 | xand | !sarge->etch |
| 19:03.38 | dpkg | well, sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
| 19:03.41 | muhoo | xand: link to proper way to do it? |
| 19:03.48 | muhoo | fuck |
| 19:03.51 | valdyn | Toast: both new routing tables |
| 19:03.57 | muhoo | grr/ |
| 19:04.38 | muhoo | fucking great |
| 19:04.45 | koojoo | i m trying to delete a user by userdel bbs and it tells me user bbs is currently logged on but when i run 'w' it doesnt show me anything but my account |
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| 19:04.57 | valdyn | Toast: your client is on the 192.168.0.* subnetwork, right? |
| 19:05.17 | Toast | valdyn: ok, my problem was that I was confusing what entery needed to be what when refering to each network. I was configuring things using the address of eth0 as the gateway when I should have been using eth1. so to that last question, no. |
| 19:05.17 | xand | koojoo: ps -ef | grep bbs... does it have stuff running? |
| 19:05.43 | valdyn | Toast: ok, so the commands i gave you had to be wrong.. |
| 19:05.44 | wols_ | koojoo: as root, ps aux |grep bbs |
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| 19:05.58 | Toast | valdyn: I am just going to get everything strate here, then paste you the results. I think I have it figured. |
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| 19:06.07 | KDan | Hello, I'm trying to open something through xvfb-run. I keep getting "Error: Can't open display: :99" error messages. /tmp/.X11-unix/X99 exists, and i tried running it under sudo so I don't think it's a permissions problem. Anyone got any idea/pointers for how I can resolve that? Couldn't find much on google unfortunately... Yes, I've also tried exporting DISPLAY (to :99 and localhost:0.0)... no joy... |
| 19:06.07 | Toast | will be 2 min. |
| 19:06.12 | valdyn | Toast: aye |
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| 19:06.45 | muhoo | where is this upgreade-etch.script file? |
| 19:07.03 | muhoo | hmm. |
| 19:07.08 | Toast | Whooo hooo, I have my MythTV recordings showing on a real TV!!!!! |
| 19:07.08 | muhoo | so apt-get is depreciated? |
| 19:07.11 | muhoo | aptitude is the new apt-get? |
| 19:07.21 | xand | Toast: what device is that? |
| 19:07.26 | valdyn | !win Toast |
| 19:07.26 | dpkg | Congratulations, Toast! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 19:10.14 | valdyn | koojoo: you are supposed to user deluser |
| 19:10.19 | muhoo | i see. udev... goddamned udev |
| 19:10.26 | valdyn | koojoo: you are supposed to use deluser |
| 19:11.06 | valdyn | muhoo: not really deprecated, just not supposed to automagically resolve dependencies as nice as aptitude |
| 19:11.10 | somian | ... numerous ones |
| 19:11.12 | roxy_ | shouldn't I be able to run "svk cp //foo //foo/mybranch" off line ? |
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| 19:11.19 | xand | apt-get forever |
| 19:11.38 | muhoo | well in etch, php4 and php5 are horribly, massively broken |
| 19:11.47 | xand | no they aren't |
| 19:11.49 | muhoo | they're uninstallable, both of them. |
| 19:11.54 | valdyn | muhoo: how so? did you report a bug? |
| 19:11.57 | muhoo | with aptitude or apt-get |
| 19:12.01 | xand | muhoo: your machine is broken ;) |
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| 19:12.33 | valdyn | muhoo: defenitely sounds like a pebkac but uh, paste issues / error messages... so you can get help ( if you want ) |
| 19:12.37 | mario69 | Could someone please help me be nicer to Debian mirrors and conserve some bandwidth? The situation is I have several Debian machines on my local net, all of them running similar setups. When aptitude downloads packages it caches them into /var/cache/apt/archives. I want to export this directory _via_HTTP_ to other machines to avoid downloading those packages again when doing an upgrde. |
| 19:12.38 | Southern | Hi |
| 19:12.59 | muhoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.01 | valdyn | mario69: use apt-cacher or approx |
| 19:13.17 | somian | !mercurial |
| 19:13.20 | mario69 | valdyn, thx, will investigate |
| 19:14.00 | somian | .oO(i'm guessing i wasn't even close to getting that right ... ) |
| 19:14.03 | muhoo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:14.52 | valdyn | muhoo: show the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of 'aptitude -s dist-upgrade' |
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| 19:15.45 | muhoo | valdyn: http://rafb.net/p/4JjF3f12.html |
| 19:16.20 | muhoo | valdyn: and sources.list: http://rafb.net/p/FiXMeV82.html |
| 19:17.27 | valdyn | muhoo: which apache are you using ? apache or apache2 ? |
| 19:17.40 | Toast | Do routing table enteries survive a reboot? |
| 19:17.45 | valdyn | Toast: no |
| 19:17.52 | muhoo | valdyn: i thought i was using apache |
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| 19:18.00 | valdyn | muhoo: dpkg -l apache |
| 19:18.03 | muhoo | yeah |
| 19:18.08 | muhoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.10 | koojoo | iser there a way i can list what groups are currently available on my system? |
| 19:18.21 | Toast | valdyn: good. I accidentally typed the clients route command into the server... It didn't like it much. |
| 19:18.27 | valdyn | muhoo: 'apt-cache policy apache' |
| 19:18.46 | muhoo | Installed: 1.3.33-6sarge3 |
| 19:18.46 | koojoo | are there minimal installation iso's available for debian? |
| 19:18.56 | valdyn | !info apache etch |
| 19:19.00 | dpkg | apache: (versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.34-4.1 (etch), Packaged size: 382 kB, Installed size: 812 kB |
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| 19:19.08 | muhoo | valdyn: http://rafb.net/p/PCONxA92.html |
| 19:19.12 | deadcat | koojoo: just dont select any package when you install. |
| 19:19.26 | muhoo | is apache 1 depreciated in etch? |
| 19:19.30 | valdyn | muhoo: aptitude update && aptitude -s dist-upgrade |
| 19:19.36 | valdyn | muhoo: no |
| 19:19.38 | muhoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.46 | muhoo | valdyn: been there, done that |
| 19:19.54 | valdyn | muhoo: no you havent.. |
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| 19:20.41 | Yea10354 | how can i install a minimal install of debian on my server |
| 19:21.01 | muhoo | yes i have. several times. nothing happens. http://rafb.net/p/iMkohF18.html |
| 19:21.02 | valdyn | muhoo: your etch and the output of apt-cache policy do not match -> run 'aptitude update' |
| 19:21.13 | muhoo | i have run aptitude update 4 times now |
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| 19:21.41 | muhoo | http://rafb.net/p/QiYMaE65.html |
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| 19:22.08 | muhoo | see.... something is screwed up. |
| 19:22.25 | hark | muhoo: you have to run upgrade too |
| 19:22.37 | muhoo | i've upgraded dozens of debian systems, starting with slink, 7 years ago. |
| 19:22.47 | muhoo | yes, i rand upgrade |
| 19:22.59 | valdyn | muhoo: looks to me like the http.us.debian.org mirror is broken |
| 19:23.10 | Toast | valdyn: I've uploaded details of what happened. http://paste.debian.net/31268 |
| 19:23.17 | Toast | Thanks. |
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| 19:23.22 | valdyn | muhoo: use 'ftp.us.debian.org' |
| 19:23.28 | muhoo | valdyn: upgrade useless http://rafb.net/p/1ESh5Z64.html |
| 19:23.33 | valdyn | muhoo: that's a http server too |
| 19:23.41 | muhoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.48 | muhoo | ok, i'll try that |
| 19:24.12 | somian | !info mercurial etch |
| 19:24.16 | dpkg | mercurial: (Scalable distributed version control system), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.9.1-1+etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 309 kB, Installed size: 1536 kB |
| 19:24.39 | somian | Nice job, dpkg. !botsnack :) |
| 19:24.47 | muhoo | valdyn: how should i file a bug on this then? |
| 19:25.00 | muhoo | s/file/describe/ |
| 19:25.03 | muhoo | i know how to use bts |
| 19:25.09 | muhoo | i don't know how to explain the bug |
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| 19:25.35 | valdyn | Toast: you have one wrong idea about this as i understand it |
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| 19:25.57 | Toast | ok... |
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| 19:26.13 | muhoo | aha!!! |
| 19:26.24 | valdyn | Toast: your client has no idea of 192.168.0.189 BEFORE it can access that subnet, so that is not a gateway for it |
| 19:26.26 | erps | Why is /var/mail linked to /var/spool/mail .. and /var/spool/mail linked to ../mail :\ |
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| 19:26.36 | muhoo | massive massive difference between http.us.debian.org and ftp.us.debian.org |
| 19:26.39 | valdyn | Toast: that same box has 192.168.1.1 on its other eth, right? |
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| 19:26.47 | Toast | yes |
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| 19:26.57 | muhoo | valdyn: that mirror is severely fucked up. ftp.us seems to do the trick! thanks!! |
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| 19:27.49 | valdyn | Toast: so 192.168.1.1 is the one and only gateway for the client |
| 19:27.53 | muhoo | first i have to upgrade the kernel, and do the udev tricks in the release notes, then i'll run this aptitude dist-upgrade and everything should probably work as i expect |
| 19:27.59 | muhoo | valdyn: many thanks for your help! |
| 19:28.04 | Toast | valdyn: yes |
| 19:28.21 | valdyn | Toast: route add default gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 19:28.44 | valdyn | Toast: that'll give it access to the internet too though |
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| 19:28.59 | dountby | the netboot-installer of etch and lenny dont recognize my network-card anymore. sarge does. is that a known problem (and prob. a solution)? |
| 19:29.08 | valdyn | Toast: ( if 192.168.1.1 is setup for that job ) |
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| 19:29.40 | w_reis | muhoo: can i paste in pvt? |
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| 19:29.52 | w_reis | i'm in command line |
| 19:29.56 | Toast | valdyn: yes it is. I'm currently trying to fix my dhcpd so that the clinet comes up with the correct route. I think I saw the problem. Just testing it now. |
| 19:30.32 | Toast | ok... that works now. |
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| 19:31.45 | erps | My /var/mail and /var/spool/mail are in a link loop for some reason, not sure why or when this occurred but was last 4 days w/o my interaction.. What should I do to fix this? |
| 19:32.06 | muhoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.35 | w_reis | muhoo: i cant paste with lynx |
| 19:32.37 | valdyn | erps: ls -ld /var/mail;ls -ld /var/spool/mail |
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| 19:32.49 | Toast | valdyn: fixing my dhcpd config, the default route is now added on boot. Thanks again. |
| 19:33.30 | somian | valdyn is knockin' down them troubles today ;) |
| 19:33.46 | muhoo | w_reis: sure you can, i've done it many times |
| 19:34.04 | Toast | I will have to add some proper firewall rules eventually, but for now I'm not too worried, as this box is behind two nat boxes. |
| 19:34.59 | vorsprung | hi, I upgraded to etch last week (finally) and X is broken. I can run startx as root but not as a normal user. I can't see any messages about permissions and the paths are the same as far as I can see. Any ideas? |
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| 19:35.19 | debtest | Hello? |
| 19:35.45 | xoz | vorsprung: what's your window manager in .xsession? |
| 19:35.48 | Azar | two weeks ago a new NVIDIA 100.14.09 Display Driver for linux was released, today another one, NVIDIA 100.14.11 Display Driver is out! |
| 19:36.02 | vorsprung | startx works as root but as a normal user it just flashes up the X server for a second and then terminates |
| 19:36.08 | GrahamA | !apt-setup |
| 19:36.09 | dpkg | i heard apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. no longer available in etch and later since base-config was removed, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html. Gone from etch and sid. |
| 19:36.26 | w_reis | muhoo: there is a weid thing |
| 19:36.31 | vorsprung | xoz, metacity. But it does the same with "xinit xeyes" |
| 19:36.32 | Azar | vorsprung: X should not be allowed in root |
| 19:36.33 | xoz | vorsprung: check ~/.xsession |
| 19:36.38 | w_reis | muhoo: my kernel is 2.6.15-1 |
| 19:36.45 | vorsprung | xoz, ok |
| 19:37.00 | w_reis | muhoo: and i've already done upgrade |
| 19:37.11 | w_reis | muhoo: using i386, testing |
| 19:37.13 | valdyn | vorsprung: dpkg-reconfigure -plow x11-common |
| 19:37.27 | vorsprung | xoz, hmm good call there is something vaguely interesting in there |
| 19:37.45 | vorsprung | valdyn, I'll try anything once |
| 19:37.49 | xoz | and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:37.58 | Azar | liable: you were the one interested in new Nvidia drivers? |
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| 19:39.01 | vorsprung | valdyn, nope that didn't work. It was already set to "anybody"# |
| 19:39.15 | GrahamA | I'm on sarge and I don't have apt-setup... should I have it? I just need the UK sources because I didn't have internet when I installed with net install cd |
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| 19:39.25 | vorsprung | xoz, I've been looking at Xorg.0.log and it isn't helpful |
| 19:39.31 | wols_ | GrahamA: should, yes |
| 19:39.37 | vorsprung | xoz, .xsession-errors says |
| 19:39.48 | GrahamA | wols_: how? |
| 19:39.54 | valdyn | vorsprung: should be your xsession then as xoz sais, you can try running X without reading that file 'xinit' |
| 19:40.02 | wols_ | GrahamA: go to packages.debian.org and download it fromt her if you want |
| 19:40.11 | GrahamA | Gimme a sec |
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| 19:40.29 | GrahamA | Working from command line is a bit tricky. |
| 19:40.47 | KDan | Hello, I'm trying to open something through xvfb-run. I keep getting "Error: Can't open display: :99" error messages. /tmp/.X11-unix/X99 exists, and i tried running it under sudo so I don't think it's a permissions problem. Anyone got any idea/pointers for how I can resolve that? Couldn't find much on google unfortunately... Yes, I've also tried exporting DISPLAY (to :99 and localhost:0.0)... no joy... |
| 19:41.01 | xoz | vorsprung: try a different window manager |
| 19:41.03 | vorsprung | xoz, fatal io error 32 ( broken pipe ) or kill client on xserver :0.0 |
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| 19:42.26 | valdyn | vorsprung: ~/.xsession contains what? |
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| 19:43.18 | vorsprung | xoz, I just installed twm and tried that. Same thing |
| 19:43.27 | vorsprung | valdyn, it just says "xterm" |
| 19:43.35 | valdyn | vorsprung: remove that file |
| 19:43.45 | vorsprung | valdyn, or "metacity &" then "xterm &" |
| 19:43.46 | w_reis | muhoo: http://rafb.net/p/Nox1PS85.html |
| 19:43.52 | vorsprung | valdyn, just what I was thinking |
| 19:44.03 | xoz | vorsprung: use pastebin and telll us the link |
| 19:44.07 | valdyn | vorsprung: X is just starting those programs, then quitting, that is how it works |
| 19:44.25 | Azar | GrahamA: you can edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to look like this: http://paste.debian.net/31271 |
| 19:44.28 | vorsprung | valdyn, bingo that worked |
| 19:44.40 | valdyn | vorsprung: you need an 'exec someprogram' in there, last. That's normally a window maanger or a session manager, something like 'exec gnome-session' or 'exec startkde' |
| 19:44.43 | vorsprung | xoz, valdyn thanks for your help |
| 19:44.50 | valdyn | vorsprung: or .. delete the file |
| 19:44.52 | vorsprung | valdyn, exec, yeah of course |
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| 19:46.09 | GrahamA | Would somebody from the UK please show me their /etc/apt/sources.list file please |
| 19:46.11 | w_reis | wols_: ping |
| 19:46.17 | valdyn | !sources.list |
| 19:46.18 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 19:46.19 | Azar | GrahamA: I just did |
| 19:46.35 | Azar | GrahamA: scroll up and look ^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 19:46.44 | valdyn | dpkg: source.list =~ s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
| 19:46.45 | dpkg | valdyn: i didn't have anything called 'source.list' to modify |
| 19:46.52 | valdyn | dpkg: sources.list =~ s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
| 19:46.52 | dpkg | valdyn: OK |
| 19:47.03 | GrahamA | Azar: I can't scroll up |
| 19:47.07 | Rodger | hi, my windows pc got infected by some spyware |
| 19:47.09 | Azar | http://paste.debian.net/31271 |
| 19:47.09 | w_reis | may somebody help me? http://rafb.net/p/Nox1PS85.html |
| 19:47.17 | Rodger | I know this is not the place to ask |
| 19:47.21 | Azar | GrahamA: ^^^^^ |
| 19:47.25 | valdyn | Rodger: OT, stop. This is the wrong place. |
| 19:47.31 | Rodger | but do you guys know if there is some channel that I can ask? |
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| 19:47.53 | xoz | !fgi Rodger |
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| 19:48.37 | w_reis | hello! |
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| 19:48.45 | Rodger | ok, I will start with windows channel |
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| 19:49.07 | dugurama | Hello |
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| 19:49.22 | GrahamA | Azar: Thanks alot. |
| 19:49.30 | w_reis | dugurama: may you help me? http://rafb.net/p/Nox1PS85.html |
| 19:49.35 | Azar | GrahamA: you are welcome |
| 19:49.36 | simonrvn | a lot is 2 effing words |
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| 19:50.01 | valdyn | !drxx w_reis |
| 19:50.01 | dpkg | w_reis: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 19:50.05 | Azar | mister simonrvn ... read about the new Nvidia? |
| 19:50.05 | dugurama | what was that?? |
| 19:50.19 | GrahamA | simonrvn: Sorry mein Feuher! |
| 19:50.20 | valdyn | w_reis: and leave the pci id empty |
| 19:50.21 | simonrvn | no and i don't read tripe meant to sell me something |
| 19:50.22 | w_reis | valdyn: i've already do that |
| 19:50.28 | simonrvn | GrahamA: fuck you |
| 19:50.38 | Azar | uh tchatzy |
| 19:50.43 | dugurama | its fuher |
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| 19:51.24 | w_reis | valdyn: let me try! |
| 19:51.34 | dugurama | ive already lerned english |
| 19:51.56 | valdyn | w_reis: i dont know to much about intel chipsets. Its certainly possible that you need the newer xserver-xorg-video-intel driver, not i810 |
| 19:51.57 | dugurama | somebody try and install java on my ubuntu |
| 19:52.05 | Azar | hahaha |
| 19:52.24 | valdyn | dugurama: #ubuntu |
| 19:52.36 | Azar | $80.00/hour dugurama |
| 19:52.37 | w_reis | valdyn: ok |
| 19:52.47 | dugurama | I'll pay for one hour |
| 19:52.48 | w_reis | valdyn: apt-get? |
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| 19:53.03 | dugurama | apt-get install jre |
| 19:53.08 | valdyn | w_reis: probably, or maybe its only in testing or sid, i dont know |
| 19:53.09 | Azar | well we only do Debian here and is for free... |
| 19:53.22 | dugurama | ubuntu is debian |
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| 19:53.24 | w_reis | valdyn: i386, testing |
| 19:53.30 | Azar | dugurama: who lied you? |
| 19:53.38 | dugurama | look it up |
| 19:53.39 | w_reis | valdyn: btw, there is a weird thing |
| 19:53.39 | valdyn | !based on debian |
| 19:53.40 | dpkg | Your distribution uses <apt>, but is not officialy Debian maintained (see <why Debian>), nor do we manage all aspects of it. (see <Debian policy>) Therefore, we are not obligated to help you (see <based on Debian caveats>). Please visit the proper IRC channel for your distribution. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> to name a few. |
| 19:54.01 | valdyn | @based on |
| 19:54.07 | w_reis | valdyn: my kernel is 2.6.15-1 |
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| 19:54.30 | w_reis | valdyn: and i've already done apt-get upgrade |
| 19:54.31 | mario69 | valdyn, looks like the apt-cacher will do the trick. Thanks, and another question. Is there any chance of success to directly opgrade from woody to etch? The machine in question is an old, simple, headless print and file server. |
| 19:54.53 | valdyn | mario69: woody->sarge->etch, dont do it directly |
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| 19:55.07 | mario69 | valdyn, OK, thx. |
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| 19:55.18 | Azar | dugurama: debian-based does not mean is debian, it uses debian packager but has a totally different structure |
| 19:55.29 | valdyn | mario69: woody has no 2.6 kernel, etch needs a 2.6 kernel |
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| 19:56.09 | mario69 | ah, then this shortcut would certainly fall. Thanks again. |
| 19:56.14 | w_reis | valdyn: ready! i'm just do that (dpkg-reconfigure) and the error persists |
| 19:56.15 | Azar | mario69: I upgraded from woody, you have to do it gradually as sarge.. then etch.. have many changes. go gradually |
| 19:56.30 | valdyn | mario69: so, you should read release notes for both and the least you'll have to do after upgrading to sarge, before moving to etch is installing a 2.6 kernel |
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| 19:56.49 | valdyn | Azar: yep |
| 19:57.27 | mario69 | valdyn, Azar: thanks, will try right now |
| 19:57.33 | Azar | mario69: move to > sarge, change the kernel to 2.6.8, -- move to etch > change to 2.6.18 kernel pay attention to kernel upgrade warnings and modify lilo accordingly when asked to. |
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| 19:58.25 | mario69 | I hope I'll manage with just a ssh connection and a few reboots. Thinking of installing a graphics card in this box just for an upgrade makes me sick :) |
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| 20:00.02 | Azar | mario69: don't bother with configurations for video audio until you reached your final Debian version.... the only thing you need to do is kernel upgrades.. which is pretty easy |
| 20:01.17 | Gujiz | Hey everyone, i have a problem.. I have set Debian language to Finnish... But when it displays something on shell it doesnt show "scands" (the scandinavian marks" properly |
| 20:01.33 | Azar | oh and mario: keep using "aptitude"... not apt-get |
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| 20:04.26 | mario69 | Azar, it is a file/print server, so no audio, nor video. In fact audio is disabled in bios and video card is missing :) |
| 20:05.21 | mario69 | oh, and there is no keyboard. |
| 20:06.16 | pipeline | mario69: Next time, buy a better PC with console redirection. Most modern systems will do all the BIOS crap on a serial port. |
| 20:06.24 | pipeline | mario69: Grub is trivially configured for serial console, too. |
| 20:07.14 | erps | thanks valdyn that fixed it :) |
| 20:07.17 | erps | er wait |
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| 20:07.53 | mario69 | pipeline, why should I bother? It is an old PC, kinda salvaged, makes its job. |
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| 20:08.50 | erps | valdyn: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2007-06-23 11:07 /var/mail -> spool/mail \n lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2007-06-23 11:08 /var/spool/mail -> ../mail |
| 20:09.00 | afaict | Hi folks! Is there any CD distro that are able to boot my pendrive ? my BIOS does not have USB-HDD option and i tried everything from linuxpendrive.com |
| 20:09.10 | erps | valdyn: sorry, that fixed it was automagic reaction :p |
| 20:10.53 | Gujiz | ls |
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| 20:11.19 | disposable | afaict, if your bios doesn't support booting from a USB-HDD, it doesn't matter which distribution you put on it |
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| 20:12.50 | afaict | disposable: my BIOS recognizes before the HD recognition. USB Hard Disk 2.0... but there is no option for USB-HDD... Just USB-ZIP or USB-Floppy... I tried to install grub, lilo, tool from HP or tried to change sectors to look like a ZipDrive... but i coudn't make it work... =/ |
| 20:13.29 | afaict | disposable: now!! i saw a distro ... when i promoted a linux install fest i used a floppy disk to open cdrom!!! because Bios wont boot CDs |
| 20:14.01 | jetscreamer | smartbootmanager |
| 20:14.05 | jetscreamer | google it |
| 20:14.26 | afaict | jetscreamer i will . danke! |
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| 20:15.52 | disposable | jetscreamer, i'm still not sure whether he wanted to use a cd to boot a distro on usb, or the other way around :) |
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| 20:16.45 | afaict | disposable: i want boot a pendrive from a CD... like... i was used to use a floppy to boot a CD. because there is no CD boot option in Bios |
| 20:17.12 | jetscreamer | smartbootmanager's claim to fame is it will boot just about anything, iirc |
| 20:17.15 | jetscreamer | i could be wrong |
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| 20:17.38 | afaict | jetscreamer: " SBM now supports booting from floppy, hard disk and CD-ROM. There are plans to support ZIP and LS-120 in the near future." |
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| 20:17.45 | afaict | jetscreamer: ;-) |
| 20:18.00 | afaict | jetscreamer: thank you! danke! :-) |
| 20:18.10 | jetscreamer | np... |
| 20:18.14 | wigfreitz | I need to set up a system to manage work Ive done so I can accurately bill. any Ideas on how I can do this? |
| 20:18.24 | wigfreitz | was hoping for something web based |
| 20:18.34 | jetscreamer | there are many, in sources even iirc |
| 20:18.39 | TheBlueWizard | question for Debian....is Software in Public Interest considered a foundation type group? I am talking with a buddy re: the patent deals going on and he raised a question of whether Debian "organization" could be sued |
| 20:18.47 | jetscreamer | s |
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| 20:19.11 | jetscreamer | wigfreitz: search sourceforge though |
| 20:19.42 | geo-rge | TheBlueWizard: or "question for" debian-legal@lists.debian.org |
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| 20:19.43 | disposable | wigfreitz, freshmeat.net is your friend |
| 20:19.43 | geo-rge | or if you're planning to sue debian, your own attorney. |
| 20:20.11 | TheBlueWizard | hmm...ok thanks |
| 20:20.23 | geo-rge | either way, you're welcome |
| 20:20.38 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:21.06 | TheBlueWizard | yeah, that's my general thinking...but...hmmm... |
| 20:21.22 | valdyn | erps: rm /var/mail; mkdir /var/mail; chown root.mail /var/mail;chmod 775 /var/mail |
| 20:21.25 | pipeline | wigfreitz: err, a ticket system might be overkill, but it's a good way to organize yourself. request-tracker3.6 should do you nicely :) |
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| 20:21.34 | jetscreamer | gnotime - utility for tracking and invoicing time spent on projects gpe-timesheet - keep track of time spent on a task in GPE |
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| 20:21.49 | geo-rge | one thing I've seen, is if a company does something wrong, they can lose their exempt status |
| 20:21.54 | Azar | TheBlueWizard: on the other hand, if you install Debian as-is then later you start adding proprietary software, those who own that piece of software might want money from you, not from Debian |
| 20:21.59 | pipeline | wigfreitz: (RT has a "time worked", so every time you close a ticket, fill in the field correctly.) |
| 20:22.05 | jetscreamer | karm - KDE time tracker tool wmwork - Keep track of time worked on projects |
| 20:22.22 | pipeline | mario69: Yeah, well, you could have gotten an old sun or something, salvaged, and had a real console from day one ;) |
| 20:22.32 | jetscreamer | none of which are one i was thinking of/remembering |
| 20:22.38 | TheBlueWizard | hmm |
| 20:22.46 | geo-rge | but other than that... debian-legal@lists.debian.orgh |
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| 20:23.14 | mario69 | pipeline, old VAXen would do the trick too ;) |
| 20:23.35 | Azar | TheBlueWizard: generally speaking nobody gonna sue you for using Debian :). |
| 20:23.44 | valdyn | um |
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| 20:24.06 | geo-rge | and before posting read the archives (should go without saying; this could be a question they have to answer every week |
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| 20:24.38 | erps | valdyn: Thank you very much. :) Hopefully that fixes it and it doesn't simply reoccur. |
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| 20:24.59 | Azar | every proprietary crapware usually will pop up in your face some kind of notification stating their terms... you click ok, you are sold |
| 20:25.07 | geo-rge | debian does play fairly fast and loose with certain things, and there's some potential there |
| 20:25.41 | branstrom_ | So what's the best imapd you guys can think of? I want a mailserver that's versatile and fast, with push IMAP support. I've been using hMailServer on Windows. |
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| 20:25.50 | valdyn | TheBlueWizard: practically only users ( of debian or whatever software ) that own real money would be sued |
| 20:26.34 | TheBlueWizard | I don't want to be so indigent (total poverty) :) |
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| 20:27.12 | geo-rge | it's not just money that's at stake tho |
| 20:27.16 | Azar | valdyn: but then again, user of a clean Debian install (without having added any blobs) will never be sued... |
| 20:27.24 | valdyn | Azar: umm |
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| 20:27.48 | Azar | valdyn: keeping in mind Debian is so strict re non-free |
| 20:27.53 | valdyn | Azar: the ms - novell deal is about free software without binary blobs. The whole patent discussion is also |
| 20:28.13 | valdyn | Azar: all that scare mongering is about free software ( no blobs ) |
| 20:28.19 | mario69 | first gotcha - relnotes for Sarge say to install a Woody version of aptitude (section 4.2), yet the Woody mirrors are long gone. Where do I look? |
| 20:28.34 | Azar | valdyn: I am more inclined to believe ms will never sue no one. Because then they could be sued as well |
| 20:28.44 | valdyn | Azar: agreed on that |
| 20:28.59 | geo-rge | branstrom_: you asked this before, and from what I see you're not familiar with mail software... one thing you can do to become familiar is maybe get a copy of the book Sendmail, which tells you the structure pretty plainly |
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| 20:29.23 | Azar | ms has patented a lot of stuff that was prior artwork... |
| 20:29.24 | jetscreamer | what is 'dynamic nmap' as in 'dynamic nmap ran out of room' or so |
| 20:29.25 | mario69 | is there some master Debian archive with old distributions? |
| 20:29.35 | valdyn | jetscreamer: its mmap |
| 20:29.37 | jetscreamer | !archive |
| 20:29.37 | dpkg | [archive] a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 20:29.42 | geo-rge | if not that, then you need to know what the differences are between an MTA, an MDA and a MUA |
| 20:29.46 | valdyn | !mmap ran out of room |
| 20:29.46 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 20:29.55 | jetscreamer | !mmap |
| 20:29.55 | dpkg | well, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need |
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| 20:30.15 | branstrom_ | geo-rge, I simply asked for a mailserver before. Then someone told me I needed an imapd, which I guess is an IMAP mailserver? Which was what I asked for. What have I not understood? |
| 20:30.20 | AntiInit | anyone know a good way of doing a complete backup of a live system on a regular basis to an ftp server? |
| 20:30.22 | jetscreamer | i got an oom also... that would be why i believe |
| 20:30.26 | jetscreamer | rsync |
| 20:30.31 | geo-rge | branstrom_: see above |
| 20:30.36 | edistar | can anyone suggest a good laptop/make for writing documents and doing light graphic work? of course debian ;) |
| 20:30.42 | valdyn | jetscreamer: rsync sucks for huge amounts of files |
| 20:30.43 | pipeline | mario69: Linux on VAX is pretty experimental. And you need a ridiculously powerful VAX to run NetBSD well... and even then, option card support is pretty piss poor. |
| 20:30.46 | valdyn | jetscreamer: unusable |
| 20:30.56 | AntiInit | ibm thinkpad |
| 20:30.56 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 20:30.59 | Azar | mario69: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/releasenotes |
| 20:31.09 | AntiInit | sound card is isa and needs irq set etc |
| 20:31.18 | AntiInit | apart from that its good |
| 20:31.19 | branstrom_ | geo-rge, is there webpage that explains this well? Never mind, I'll google and wikipedia it before asking again. |
| 20:31.19 | pipeline | edistar: Just buy whatever's cheap. Build quality does't exist anymore. |
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| 20:31.27 | jetscreamer | you supply that on the modprobe line, the irq and such |
| 20:31.32 | mario69 | Azar, ?I am reading http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 20:31.37 | jetscreamer | see also modconf |
| 20:31.46 | muhoo | asus are cheap and do not include windoze tax |
| 20:31.50 | valdyn | jetscreamer: i get 2 750MB sized processes when copying the skeleton of my backups... |
| 20:31.50 | geo-rge | branstrom_: good man :) was wondering when you'd start doing that :) |
| 20:31.51 | petemc | branstrom_: you need a mta like exim or postfix to send/recieve mail, and an imapd for your clients to access the mail |
| 20:32.00 | edistar | I just thought some laptops have better linux compatibility than others |
| 20:32.03 | muhoo | edistar: buy barebones system so you're not giving money to MSFT |
| 20:32.03 | mario69 | Azar, see requirement in section 4.2 |
| 20:32.14 | jetscreamer | valdyn: no idea, i just cp -a when needed... or zip/tar |
| 20:32.16 | valdyn | jetscreamer: so you want to split up that rsync |
| 20:32.17 | branstrom_ | petemc, thanks |
| 20:32.21 | AntiInit | edistar most branded stuff works out the box these days |
| 20:32.24 | valdyn | jetscreamer: oh |
| 20:32.27 | AntiInit | go for a brand |
| 20:32.39 | AntiInit | hp.dell and your fine |
| 20:33.08 | Azar | mario69: what exactly about? |
| 20:33.34 | mario69 | Azar, it assumes the presence of aptitude for Woody before performing an upgrade |
| 20:33.49 | Azar | mario69: well yes, install it: apt-get install aptitude |
| 20:33.53 | branstrom_ | geo-rge, how would the world look like if everyone would stop asking each other questions and just google everything instead? ;) |
| 20:33.53 | valdyn | branstrom_: its called 'MTA' ( mail transfer agent), 'Mailserver' is ambigous at best |
| 20:34.10 | mario69 | Azar, my question is, where do I point sources.list to get this old piece of software? |
| 20:34.16 | jetscreamer | !archive |
| 20:34.17 | dpkg | i guess archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 20:34.21 | jetscreamer | try there |
| 20:34.36 | geo-rge | branstrom_: then the channel here would have its original 5 or 6 clients :) |
| 20:34.40 | Azar | mario69: replace "stable" with "woody" on all your sources |
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| 20:35.12 | Azar | mario69: then apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, then apt-get install aptitude |
| 20:35.21 | jetscreamer | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ hamm contrib main non-free |
| 20:35.31 | jetscreamer | probably sub woody on that one but no idea |
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| 20:35.36 | MangosDebian | geo-rge: actually, this channel only has a few dosen real ppl, the rest are just our botnets :) |
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| 20:35.46 | jetscreamer | z |
| 20:35.54 | geo-rge | MangosDebian: not back then |
| 20:36.20 | jetscreamer | i still have a woody install cd |
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| 20:36.34 | mario69 | Azar, I _do_ have version codenames in the sources list, I always have. |
| 20:36.52 | edistar | muhoo: where do I get barebone laptops? |
| 20:37.01 | Azar | mario69: then you are good to go... the notes assume that people use "stable" ... as it was the default |
| 20:37.02 | jetscreamer | edistar: online |
| 20:37.29 | mario69 | Azar, but e.g. this line "deb http://security.debian.org/ woody/updates main contrib non-free" does _not_ connect, as the archive is long gone in the byte dust |
| 20:37.34 | jetscreamer | edistar: a good one might be 800 bucks or so... you can try directron.com or axiontech.com or pricewatch.com |
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| 20:38.08 | Azar | mario69: valdyn is there an archive source for woody security line? |
| 20:38.26 | Azar | err valdyn even |
| 20:38.37 | branstrom_ | valdyn, why is it ambiguous? After all, it's server software, that handles mail? |
| 20:38.42 | jetscreamer | woody never had a security line did it? |
| 20:38.49 | Azar | jetscreamer: sure it did |
| 20:38.53 | mario69 | jetscreamer, is there a pastebin I could use? |
| 20:38.54 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 20:38.58 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 20:38.59 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 20:39.08 | geo-rge | if not that, then you need to know what the differences are between an MTA, an MDA and a MUA |
| 20:39.15 | jetscreamer | mdma |
| 20:39.17 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 20:39.26 | Azar | mario69: holdon |
| 20:39.33 | geo-rge | well YOU can use that... I think I'll pass :) |
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| 20:40.39 | mario69 | http://paste.debian.net/31273 |
| 20:41.38 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 20:42.02 | jetscreamer | [15.35.39] <jetscreamer> deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ hamm contrib main non-free |
| 20:42.14 | jetscreamer | [15.35.49] <jetscreamer> probably subSTITUTE woody on that one but no idea |
| 20:42.30 | mario69 | jetscreamer, will try. Thx |
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| 20:43.18 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.22 | valdyn | branstrom_: as is a pop3 server, an imap server. That's all 'server software, that handles mail' |
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| 20:45.07 | Azar | mario69: I was thinking that since you are going to upgrade, you should comment the security updates source line... woody is not maintained anymore |
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| 20:45.46 | Azar | mario69: aggghhhh!!! remove the non-US from sources.... is not used anymore |
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| 20:46.19 | branstrom_ | valdyn, okay sure |
| 20:46.30 | branstrom_ | So what's the best MTA around nowadays? |
| 20:46.34 | n3kl | The only thing I should need to do to get sound working is apt-get install alsa-utils && alsaconf, right? |
| 20:46.46 | branstrom_ | And what's the best imapd? |
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| 20:46.51 | mario69 | Azar, got it, also found: http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/ |
| 20:47.00 | MangosDebian | Azar: non-us isnt used anymore? where is all the crypto stuff hosted now then? in usa mirrors too now? |
| 20:47.04 | mario69 | Azar, that should do it. |
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| 20:47.42 | valdyn | branstrom_: none is just 'best'. There's decent ones |
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| 20:47.47 | branstrom_ | I found http://www.emailman.com/unix/servers.html but if I get some advice maybe I can choose the one that suits me best |
| 20:48.47 | valdyn | branstrom_: debians default is fine ( exim4 ), postfix is good too, less features, easier to configure, probably more popular |
| 20:49.10 | pipeline | branstrom_: Courier IMAP is, for most purposes, the standard IMAP implementation. It's going to be the easiest thing to find help with. |
| 20:49.10 | branstrom_ | Well, I want a fast one, that I can configure pretty easily |
| 20:49.21 | valdyn | branstrom_: that URL shows years old content |
| 20:49.37 | pipeline | branstrom_: Mail servers are really quite difficult to configure. |
| 20:49.37 | valdyn | branstrom_: fast? why? to send spam? |
| 20:49.39 | branstrom_ | valdyn, is there a more up2date list? |
| 20:49.39 | Azar | mario69: I will paste you an example of sources.list |
| 20:50.08 | branstrom_ | I just don't want it to be sluggish or anything, I'm not a sodding spammer |
| 20:50.21 | pipeline | branstrom_: Dude, it's banging bits around. No modern server will have trouble being a mail server :) |
| 20:50.21 | valdyn | branstrom_: i really doubt 'fast' is is criteria for most mta applications.. |
| 20:50.25 | pipeline | branstrom_: Unless it's exchange :D |
| 20:50.45 | geo-rge | howbout a nonsodding spammer? :) |
| 20:50.53 | mario69 | Azar, please do |
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| 20:51.00 | jetscreamer | ah. ok so what is it that i don't have, whether a package or something enabled in the kernel, that i cannot mount by UUID |
| 20:51.11 | Azar | mario69: http://paste.debian.net/31274 |
| 20:51.16 | jetscreamer | cannot mount disks by uuid |
| 20:51.35 | valdyn | branstrom_: basically if gave you a fairly complete list of what's recommended. There's a few more options for special applications, but probably irrelevant to you |
| 20:51.47 | branstrom_ | Courier IMAP looks good I think |
| 20:51.48 | gordboy | jetscreamer, maybe you have the wrong uuids in /etc/fstab /boot/grub/menu.lst etc |
| 20:52.00 | valdyn | branstrom_: that's an imap server, that's something else? |
| 20:52.13 | branstrom_ | and maybe postfix for MTA, mhm |
| 20:52.38 | mario69 | Azar, your paste won't work, there is no Woody anymore under ftp://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 20:52.39 | jetscreamer | gordboy: i checked em... one was wrong since i had mkfs's the part , but the others are stil the same... note that / is mounted, and via uuid |
| 20:52.46 | valdyn | branstrom_: for imap there's dovecot and courier imap |
| 20:53.09 | Azar | mario69: aghhhh I forgot it was archived.. |
| 20:53.11 | jetscreamer | so is swap |
| 20:53.36 | Azar | mario69: then what you find is good, use it instead.. |
| 20:53.38 | jetscreamer | however, it's listed by uuid in fstab, but reported as hdc by swapon -s |
| 20:53.44 | jetscreamer | also / is |
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| 20:54.07 | gordboy | jetscreamer, i have to say i'm not a big fan of uuid. i prefer the /dev name |
| 20:54.11 | Azar | mario69: yeah that one is good then: http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/ |
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| 20:54.18 | branstrom_ | Is there no MTA that stores mail (not the messages themselves but the headers and stuff) in an SQL db instead of on the filesystem? |
| 20:54.26 | jetscreamer | gordboy: i always have been also, but lately have found it intriguing |
| 20:54.35 | valdyn | branstrom_: they all can do that? |
| 20:54.35 | jetscreamer | there IS a reason :) |
| 20:54.39 | Azar | mario69: then when you go up to sarge use my example by only replacing woody with sarge |
| 20:54.46 | branstrom_ | valdyn, oh? |
| 20:54.59 | Azar | mario69: and uncomment the security line.. |
| 20:55.29 | jetscreamer | mario69: might be a lot easier to cp the configs you want to save and install fresh |
| 20:55.46 | jetscreamer | less bandwidth imo |
| 20:55.53 | Azar | jetscreamer: noo nonono, is an old box, let him go through upgrades |
| 20:56.08 | Azar | fresh sarge install can crap easily |
| 20:56.19 | jetscreamer | and sarge->etch is not that easy , or so i hear |
| 20:56.30 | jetscreamer | easy as replacing name in sources i mean |
| 20:56.33 | Azar | the upgrade is way smooth |
| 20:56.38 | mario69 | Azar, jetscreamer: so far so good: http://paste.debian.net/31275 |
| 20:56.41 | afaict | jetscreamer: are you sure i can install smartbootmanager into a cd? |
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| 20:56.52 | artwood | hello |
| 20:56.55 | ben_goodger | Azar: often not. people have reported problems with ssh, kernels and mysql |
| 20:57.05 | jetscreamer | afaict: iirc yes you can, and iirc i had one... but check the docs, browse the site... |
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| 20:57.40 | Azar | ben_goodger: well you have a point there, my box is really very minimal |
| 20:57.52 | mario69 | jetscreamer, and no, I _won't_ open that box to install graphics unless I really have to. There is a whole evolved civilisation in there, you know... ;) |
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| 20:57.54 | Azar | mario69: now you can try get aptitude |
| 20:58.08 | jetscreamer | nobody said graphics? |
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| 20:58.15 | artwood | Someone have an ati?I have a 9550 ati readeo of 128Mb... |
| 20:58.16 | Azar | mario69: for the minimal, upgrades are more than ok.. |
| 20:58.39 | jetscreamer | the ati driver in xorg should be good for you... also radeon |
| 20:58.46 | jetscreamer | ati would call radeon i think |
| 20:58.46 | Azar | jetscreamer: mario69 has an old box with minimal stuff... he could go really smooth with upgrades |
| 20:58.51 | geo-rge | artwood: why? do you wanna trade? :) |
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| 20:59.15 | artwood | geo-rge:no :D but I have a problem |
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| 20:59.41 | Azar | mario69: etch is more about higher kernel, enhanced support for newer PC hardware, xfree replaced with xorg, lilo with grub and such... but sarge is almost the same |
| 20:59.50 | artwood | I try to change in the xorg vesa with ati....but when I try to boot debian I see blackscreen |
| 20:59.57 | andrew__ | hey, would anyone happen to know where the mysql databases are stored, google is seeming to be no help |
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| 21:00.00 | geo-rge | I wanna take yer kernel higher... |
| 21:00.18 | jetscreamer | don't give up your day job to become a singer... |
| 21:00.27 | geo-rge | andrew__: look at /etc/init.d/mysql |
| 21:00.34 | andrew__ | geo-rge: thanks |
| 21:00.36 | MangosDebian | andrew__: /var/lib/mysql might be of help |
| 21:00.45 | andrew__ | thanks guys :) |
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| 21:01.10 | mario69 | Azar, so what would be your choice? Go full way to etch or stop at Sarge? The box is AMD-K6 200MHz, 64MB RAM.. |
| 21:01.34 | Azar | mario69: if you later want to go upgrade to etch, make sure your old hardware drivers were not "obsoleted" and dropped |
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| 21:01.48 | geo-rge | etch isn't bad, sarge wasnt' either... I guess it depends |
| 21:01.48 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 21:01.48 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 21:01.48 | MangosDebian | mario69: you gonna use X on that box? |
| 21:02.07 | jetscreamer | sid ftw |
| 21:02.17 | Azar | mario69: I would stay with Sarge if you are not aiming at high video graphics, beryl and other candies... |
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| 21:02.19 | jetscreamer | and that's not for the win |
| 21:02.32 | geo-rge | the win is for the lose... |
| 21:02.38 | mario69 | Azar, I'll pay attention, but it is a pretty standard PC, so no fancy hw in there.. MangosDebian: no, it is a printserver |
| 21:02.54 | MangosDebian | mario69: etch then |
| 21:03.02 | MangosDebian | stay current |
| 21:03.04 | Azar | geo-rge: my view of etch was about the mob screaming for a more gui-oriented user friendly desktop. |
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| 21:03.18 | PerfDave | Is there a way to get Etch on a LiveCD? |
| 21:03.33 | artwood | nobody can help me?:) |
| 21:03.52 | MangosDebian | mario69: the day they drop ide support and vga consoles from the kernel is the day you wont be able to upgrade any further debian wise :) |
| 21:03.52 | geo-rge | and I'd have to respond "learn the fk'n shell" :) |
| 21:04.13 | concept10 | I love the fucking shell |
| 21:04.13 | Azar | mario69: I guess Sarge would be just great for what you intend to use... no need for all Etch's fancy stuff |
| 21:04.31 | mario69 | MangosDebian, there is _no_ graphics card at all already so I am one step ahead ;-) |
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| 21:04.34 | jetscreamer | PerfDave: there is such a project, iirc, but i forget |
| 21:04.38 | jetscreamer | !livecd |
| 21:04.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 21:04.43 | Azar | MangosDebian: wtf Etch for? if he has no xserver? |
| 21:04.45 | geo-rge | I haven't really seen etch's fancy stuff |
| 21:04.47 | jetscreamer | there it is |
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| 21:04.58 | jetscreamer | security updates? |
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| 21:05.14 | MangosDebian | mario69: even better! :) honestly though, i would stay keep with the debian so you never fall too far behind. but i doubt if that machine will make it to seen lenny or much futher anyways. |
| 21:05.24 | MangosDebian | Azar: security updates |
| 21:05.32 | Azar | MangosDebian: sarge has security updates |
| 21:05.39 | jetscreamer | for how long |
| 21:05.44 | MangosDebian | Azar: ^^^ jetscreamer |
| 21:05.52 | PerfDave | Why would you not run Etch on a box without X? |
| 21:05.53 | jetscreamer | !find linux-image 2.4 |
| 21:05.56 | jetscreamer | shit |
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| 21:05.57 | Azar | jetscreamer: do you really think is old PC will be supported in Etch? |
| 21:06.03 | jetscreamer | !find linux-image-2.4 etch |
| 21:06.04 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'linux-image 2.4' returned no results. |
| 21:06.07 | geo-rge | probably until it drops out of being "oldstable" |
| 21:06.11 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'linux-image-2.4' returned no results. |
| 21:06.11 | jetscreamer | lets find out |
| 21:06.19 | jetscreamer | !find kernel-image-2.4 etch |
| 21:06.23 | MangosDebian | etch and sarge arent very differnt reqquiremnt wise for console setups. no intelligent reason to stay with sarge on a new install imho |
| 21:06.25 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'kernel-image-2.4' returned no results. |
| 21:06.29 | Azar | 2.4 was dropped in etch |
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| 21:06.44 | Southern | re |
| 21:06.56 | geo-rge | and this at a time when the kernel people are still putting out new 2.2s |
| 21:07.03 | Frozen | Evenin all, quick Q, should i expect any probs installing debian etch on "nVidia nForce 630A" chipset with onboard "Integrated nVidia GeForce 7025" GPU? I plan to put it to use as server without GUI |
| 21:07.11 | Azar | MangosDebian: I stay with Sarge and is no biggie.. wtf |
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| 21:07.19 | ben_goodger | Frozen: no, you'll be fine on an nforce |
| 21:07.20 | MangosDebian | Azar: for a print server he wants? when the hell do you think linus is going to be removed ide and parallel ports from the kernel? not any time bloody soon you can be sure of that |
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| 21:07.37 | ben_goodger | Frozen: and obviously the GPU is not a worry without a GUI. |
| 21:07.46 | geo-rge | Frozen: is it a no-os empty box so far? it should work; give it a try |
| 21:07.49 | Azar | I don't care about linus and new kernels.. |
| 21:07.55 | MangosDebian | Azar: i never told you to upgrade. i was giving someone else advice on a new install for something else |
| 21:07.57 | dob1 | hi, can you help me to understand this ? from ps aux i get 132 1134 1.4 2.1 14652 10292 ? S 23:00 0:03 /usr/sbin/tor 132 is the user, but on /etc/passwd i get debian-tor:x:132:132::/var/lib/tor:/bin/bash why it doesn't write debian-tor instead of 132 ? |
| 21:08.05 | Azar | cuz Im not gonna buy a new pc everytime linus farts |
| 21:08.08 | Frozen | yea i intend to buy it as home LAN server |
| 21:08.18 | PerfDave | There's a lot more software packaged for Etch than Sarge, which is one reason to consider Etch... |
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| 21:08.32 | Frozen | mysqld/httpd/sshd/ftpd that kinda stuff |
| 21:08.36 | Azar | PerfDave: given one's PC limitations |
| 21:08.45 | Azar | HD size, ram, cpu power... |
| 21:08.54 | PerfDave | Azar: Yes? |
| 21:08.56 | geo-rge | buy? have someone give you their old "piece of crap" |
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| 21:09.03 | Frozen | only worked with preinstalled servers so far, hence the question :) |
| 21:09.12 | Azar | mario69: sarge is somewhat double in size than woody, etch is three time bigger |
| 21:09.29 | jetscreamer | woody was the best, code wise, imo |
| 21:09.37 | Azar | yeah :) |
| 21:09.44 | geo-rge | Frozen: this is for a server? |
| 21:09.46 | jetscreamer | qa better, old school |
| 21:09.58 | Frozen | yea george |
| 21:10.09 | geo-rge | for what specifically? |
| 21:10.23 | MangosDebian | Azar: dont be giving him the impression that the full etch archive being bigger in size compared to sarge means the same thing as "installed" size now |
| 21:10.30 | Frozen | mysqld/httpd/sshd/ftpd/samba shares and some eggdrops |
| 21:10.36 | mario69 | Azar, so I'll go step by step, Sarge first. And it is sad to see the compactness go. |
| 21:10.43 | Frozen | also router for home LAN |
| 21:10.46 | MangosDebian | you make it sound like installing etch requires a terabyte |
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| 21:10.56 | Azar | MangosDebian: I did upgrade one of my PCs to etch... when it was still in testing... and yes it is bigger than Sarge |
| 21:11.07 | geo-rge | you're advised that a router should NOT be running services |
| 21:11.18 | PerfDave | TBH if your hard drive is too small to perform a base install of Etch, it's too old to be reliable anyway. |
| 21:11.28 | kombi | I never quite got it, how do you compile a module against a stock kernel when there are no sources in /usr/src ? |
| 21:11.36 | Frozen | yea, its just for 2 desktops, normal routers cant route actual 100mbit from WAN to LAN |
| 21:11.47 | Frozen | the linksys wrt54g can only handle like 50mbit |
| 21:11.52 | MangosDebian | Azar: but your loosing the context of his question. a print server, no X nothing fancy. just a console. how god damn big of an install do you think he is gona need man? :/ |
| 21:11.52 | Azar | mario69: yes, use aptitude on all you upgrade, make sure you go up to proper kernel once you there (2.6.8) and make sure you edit your lilo before you reboot |
| 21:12.09 | kombi | ..did apt-get kernel-source but that does nothing in /usr/src.. |
| 21:12.10 | Azar | MangosDebian: I am done with that topic |
| 21:12.14 | artwood | hey everybody how can attivate the 3d of my ati 9550? |
| 21:12.21 | jetscreamer | kombi: you apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` iirc |
| 21:12.27 | mario69 | Azar, thank you. |
| 21:12.40 | jetscreamer | the source is for compiling a kernel, not building against... unless you already built a kernel |
| 21:12.49 | kombi | jetscreamer: thanks! headers..! |
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| 21:13.00 | Azar | mario69: just remember: if you are happy with Sarge, but decide to go to Etch: there is no way back to Sarge |
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| 21:13.09 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.13 | jetscreamer | kombi: ^^ |
| 21:13.21 | afaict | jetscreamer: do you mean a project called "IIRC" or you were talking about "smartbootmanager"? i was off here |
| 21:13.24 | kombi | got yer |
| 21:13.37 | jetscreamer | afaict: iirc meaning if i recall correctly |
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| 21:14.21 | afaict | jetscreamer: ah ok. i tried to find a *.iso file of smartbootmanager but it seens to be only for floppy or hard disks |
| 21:14.43 | jetscreamer | i could swear i had such an iso at one time, too... iirc..... |
| 21:14.53 | jetscreamer | was a year or more ago though |
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| 21:16.14 | Yea10354 | does debian have a minimal install ? |
| 21:16.32 | afaict | jetscreamer: of course... i need to create a floppy image.. then i will use this image to record into a cd |
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| 21:16.55 | kombi | Yea10365: if you do not choose any role in the installer it comes out pretty minimal |
| 21:17.27 | jetscreamer | # |
| 21:17.27 | jetscreamer | Smart BootManager supports booting from all kinds of IDE ATAPI CD-ROM, including PCMCIA CD-ROM. |
| 21:18.16 | jetscreamer | http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/docs/user-guide-3.html |
| 21:18.27 | kombi | interesting! I might have to set up a no noise box soon, does it boot from an USB-stick as well? |
| 21:18.39 | valdyn | ...just like any bootable floppy image can be booted from cdrom |
| 21:18.52 | jetscreamer | looks like it boots the cd, not installs onto the cd... not sure though |
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| 21:19.24 | jetscreamer | seems like i had an iso for a floppy though |
| 21:20.48 | afaict | jetscreamer: i will create a iso for a floppy and uses for cd... |
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| 21:21.45 | afaict | jetscreamer: i found a nice tool. Ultimate CD |
| 21:21.53 | afaict | there is smartbootmanager there |
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| 21:24.00 | jetscreamer | i use ubcd4win |
| 21:24.04 | jetscreamer | for win |
| 21:24.12 | jetscreamer | had a ubcd once |
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| 21:24.19 | jetscreamer | wouldn't write ntfs though |
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| 21:26.18 | Ozux | How can I configure bash to write history immediately as I type a command? |
| 21:26.32 | afaict | jetscreamer: but using ubcd i can run smartbootmanager and open usb pendrive.. right ? |
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| 21:26.55 | setuid | Can someone tell me what /etc/updatedb.conf actually does? Because modifying its values, does nothing... (PRUNEPATHS for example, is completely ignored) |
| 21:27.07 | jetscreamer | afaict: should work, don't expect me to say 'yes for sure' i haven't actually tried :) |
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| 21:27.40 | afaict | jetscreamer: ;-) |
| 21:27.44 | jetscreamer | heck maybe the ubcd was the iso with the sbm on it |
| 21:27.49 | afaict | jetscreamer: ubcd seens interesting! |
| 21:28.00 | afaict | jetscreamer: yeap! maybe |
| 21:28.02 | unlink | when a client machine transfers a large file over nfs, its cpus peg at 100% with kernel threads an i have to reboot. why could this be happening? |
| 21:28.31 | PerfDave | unlink: Probably because you're transferring a large file over nfs? |
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| 21:28.32 | Yea10354 | how can i install a minimal debian ? |
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| 21:28.52 | setuid | unlink, THat's not normal |
| 21:28.52 | unlink | PerfDave: is that so? |
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| 21:28.56 | geo-rge | dont install anything else |
| 21:28.56 | PerfDave | Yea10354: Install Debian, don't select any tasks. |
| 21:28.58 | setuid | unlink, NFS isn't that hoggy |
| 21:29.05 | jetscreamer | Yea10354: what i do is remove all packages that aren't marked standard or important or required |
| 21:29.07 | unlink | setuid: i know, i've been using it for awhile |
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| 21:29.18 | PerfDave | unlink: Could be your kernel handling interrupts from the network card that's causing the CPU usage. |
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| 21:29.30 | jetscreamer | !minimal |
| 21:29.39 | xconspirisist | Hey all. I'm making a tar archive from /tmp/blat, called blat.tar. How do I prevent the folder /tmp being included in the archive without cd'ing to /tmp ? |
| 21:29.39 | Yea10354 | basically i jus need a minimal debian all tar'd up :P |
| 21:29.43 | jetscreamer | !listkeys minimal |
| 21:29.44 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'minimal' by key returned no results. |
| 21:29.46 | jetscreamer | !dsl |
| 21:29.47 | dpkg | dsl is, like, Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux (ask me about <based on debian>) |
| 21:29.50 | unlink | PerfDave: no way...it is no weak machine |
| 21:30.23 | PerfDave | unlink: Neither's my dual-core 3GHz Xeon, but I've noticed high CPU load while transferring files over Gigabit. |
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| 21:30.32 | unlink | PerfDave: it continues to spin after kill -9ing the process that's transferring |
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| 21:30.54 | jetscreamer | might be the actual writing |
| 21:30.59 | jetscreamer | that is pegging it |
| 21:31.05 | jetscreamer | not the transferring |
| 21:31.20 | jetscreamer | got dma? |
| 21:31.20 | Yea10354 | anyone about my minimal debian all tar'd up ? |
| 21:31.24 | jetscreamer | dsl |
| 21:31.29 | jetscreamer | damn small linux |
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| 21:32.14 | unlink | jetscreamer: it's an rsync transfer, and the progress meter stops |
| 21:32.43 | jetscreamer | somebody said earlier that rsync sucks for big files.. or was it many files... i forget |
| 21:32.46 | setuid | I guess this is a Debian bug |
| 21:32.51 | afaict | jetscreamer: i was pissed off when i discover my BIOS does not boot a USB HDD.! my boot detects a USB Hard Disk 2.0 and cant open it. i tried a LOT Of things |
| 21:32.56 | setuid | updatedb.conf is ignored, but PRUNEPATHS at the shell works |
| 21:33.12 | afaict | jetscreamer: i bought a pendrive of 8gb. ;~ i dont want harddisk anymore |
| 21:33.16 | jetscreamer | afaict: have you looked for a bios update? |
| 21:33.34 | afaict | jetscreamer: Im using the BETA release right now.. its up to date |
| 21:33.40 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 21:33.43 | unlink | jetscreamer: i've used it for both, and only now is it crapping out |
| 21:34.02 | jetscreamer | i know nothing, just what somebody said earlier |
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| 21:34.48 | setuid | Can someone please verify this for me? |
| 21:35.08 | jetscreamer | man locate maybe |
| 21:35.10 | setuid | Just stick a path in PRUNEPATHS in /etc/updatedb.conf, and re-run updatedb as root, then do a 'locate <file inside that excluded path>' |
| 21:35.29 | setuid | Nah, it looks like someone botched the build, because updatedb.conf is completely ignored |
| 21:35.37 | Yea10354 | about my question anyone ? :D |
| 21:35.47 | jetscreamer | no idea, but at least i knew what you were talking about |
| 21:35.55 | jetscreamer | Yea10354: damn small linux not for you eh |
| 21:36.32 | Yea10354 | naw |
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| 21:36.34 | Yea10354 | i need debian |
| 21:36.40 | path__ | so get debian |
| 21:36.41 | Yea10354 | just not with all the extra stuff |
| 21:36.42 | jetscreamer | it's debian based |
| 21:36.45 | jetscreamer | all i know |
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| 21:37.42 | geo-rge | why would you "need" debian but not install packages after? |
| 21:37.47 | unlink | is this a kernel-level issue? |
| 21:38.25 | unlink | the nfs client is implemented in the kernel, right? |
| 21:38.44 | Yea10354 | lol |
| 21:38.55 | Yea10354 | i mjus saying i instaled debian on my serrver and its got mysql n all |
| 21:39.00 | jetscreamer | nfs can be kernel based or userland based |
| 21:39.06 | Yea10354 | i jus need a debian no ssh no mysql none of that |
| 21:39.08 | quad3d | you are so cool |
| 21:39.21 | jetscreamer | jsut remove the packages you don't want |
| 21:39.28 | Yea10354 | do i have to remove them ? |
| 21:39.30 | jetscreamer | use a package manager to mass select sections |
| 21:39.32 | geo-rge | no |
| 21:39.33 | jetscreamer | no you don't have to |
| 21:39.34 | Yea10354 | cant i just sotp them from being installed ? |
| 21:39.44 | jetscreamer | yes with the package manager |
| 21:39.57 | jetscreamer | or just don't do the tasksel thing |
| 21:39.58 | amphi | Yea10354: they won't be installed unless you request them to be |
| 21:40.04 | jetscreamer | tasksel SUCKS |
| 21:40.05 | Yea10354 | i need a base debian distro in a tar.gz basically |
| 21:40.09 | Yea10354 | oooo |
| 21:40.12 | Azar | Yea10354: so remove msql, block ssh |
| 21:40.14 | jetscreamer | tasksel will give you kruft |
| 21:40.19 | Yea10354 | amphi: well someone else installed it and said it was base |
| 21:40.23 | jetscreamer | even if you only choose standard |
| 21:40.28 | amphi | Yea10354: they lied ;) |
| 21:40.40 | jetscreamer | take all the x's off those boxes |
| 21:40.42 | Yea10354 | yea i jus need straight base |
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| 21:40.59 | amphi | Yea10354: you don't even get less by default, IIRC |
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| 21:41.23 | Yea10354 | ooo |
| 21:41.26 | Yea10354 | how big is it ? |
| 21:41.30 | Yea10354 | 300 mb ? |
| 21:41.40 | geo-rge | 100 |
| 21:41.42 | jetscreamer | yeh you have to install less |
| 21:41.51 | jetscreamer | less > more |
| 21:41.59 | frank | *g |
| 21:42.06 | Yea10354 | so a default install of debaain is 100 mb ? |
| 21:42.07 | kritical | Anyone know any commands I can use to see how much traffic an interface is doing.. and more specifically.. what processes are doing the traffic? |
| 21:42.18 | jetscreamer | nmap ? |
| 21:42.35 | geo-rge | the packages compressed are about that, maybe it is 300mb installed |
| 21:42.48 | Yea10354 | im talking installed :P |
| 21:42.57 | setuid | gar |
| 21:42.58 | frank | kritical: per device you can use iptraf |
| 21:43.39 | kombi | I don't dare asking: where does modprobe look for .ko files? |
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| 21:44.01 | geo-rge | it has a list of places |
| 21:44.06 | jetscreamer | /lib/modules/`uname -r` iirc |
| 21:44.11 | wols_ | kombi: /lib/modules/ usually |
| 21:44.11 | jetscreamer | under there |
| 21:44.14 | geo-rge | man mpdprobe, man insmod |
| 21:44.15 | kritical | frank, ahh perfect\ thanks |
| 21:44.20 | wols_ | kombi: but you have to configure it with depmod -a |
| 21:44.37 | kombi | that might be it.. |
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| 21:44.54 | wols_ | as root btw |
| 21:45.26 | jetscreamer | oh god i must be a comcaster now |
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| 21:45.52 | oblio | hola |
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| 21:45.59 | kombi | wols_: depmod -a just like that or followed by an argument? |
| 21:45.59 | jetscreamer | still rr gee |
| 21:46.06 | oblio | anyone have a suggestion for a good flac->mp3 transcoder? that brings id3 over and everything? |
| 21:46.20 | oblio | or is there a nice lame wrapper? |
| 21:46.37 | jetscreamer | oblio: do you have marillat's sources enabled? |
| 21:46.41 | wols_ | kombi: if you run the kernel, just like that |
| 21:46.42 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 21:46.43 | oblio | i don't think so |
| 21:46.43 | dpkg | methinks debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
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| 21:46.49 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 21:46.50 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root) |
| 21:46.56 | King_Brad | ok, i have a rather unique question, i run a remote server (its located ina database) it runs 70 shoutcast streams, now, i have to manually start each strea mwhen i restart the system, so i was wondering if i could setup some type of script, that will run the commeand ( ./sc_serv config1.conf & ) and run that for each conf file in the shoutcast directoy... kind of like automated startup more or less... |
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| 21:47.10 | jetscreamer | oblio: great source for a/v stuff |
| 21:47.15 | kombi | wols_: ;) |
| 21:47.16 | oblio | jetscreamer: i run lenny, is there a repo for that? |
| 21:47.21 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 21:47.25 | jetscreamer | just call it testing |
| 21:47.30 | jetscreamer | in the sources.list line |
| 21:47.40 | oblio | thank you sir |
| 21:47.41 | oblio | updating now |
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| 21:49.00 | thufir007 | I'm looking for a distro which will work with my samsung ml2510 off the bat. would debian fit that bill? it's not working properly in fedora 6 |
| 21:49.28 | jetscreamer | it might want the word lenny not testing |
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| 21:49.50 | jetscreamer | or vice-versa... both 'may' not work.. once it was like that |
| 21:50.18 | oblio | jetscreamer: testing seemed to work fine |
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| 21:50.29 | oblio | jetscreamer: you don't have a good suggestion for an app though, do you? |
| 21:50.33 | oblio | or just transcode (i'm noticing) |
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| 21:50.48 | jetscreamer | transcode like sucks compared to mplayer/mencoder, imo |
| 21:50.53 | jetscreamer | even for audio files |
| 21:50.56 | oblio | hah |
| 21:50.56 | oblio | nice |
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| 21:51.01 | jetscreamer | #mplayer btw |
| 21:51.18 | King_Brad | okay, anyone here good at writeing debian startup scripts that i can talk 1 on 1 with? |
| 21:51.49 | jetspyd | que tal? pregunta: quisiera saber cual es el mejor programa para el diseño y programación de páginas web? php, javascript, ajax, css |
| 21:51.56 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 21:51.56 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:51.59 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 21:51.59 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:51.59 | jetspyd | y para dibujo vectorial |
| 21:52.03 | jetscreamer | one of those |
| 21:52.15 | jetspyd | ok, thanx |
| 21:52.18 | jetspyd | exit |
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| 21:53.26 | jetscreamer | i think it was br |
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| 21:53.48 | frankr | How can I convert ogg > mp3 on command line? |
| 21:54.11 | jetscreamer | try apt-cache show dir2ogg iirc |
| 21:54.15 | jetscreamer | !info dir2ogg |
| 21:54.29 | jetscreamer | !info ogg2dir |
| 21:54.36 | jetscreamer | dammit |
| 21:54.55 | kombi | a beer on Jack Bauer.. |
| 21:54.56 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 21:55.03 | jetscreamer | dir2ogg, but it's on marillat's |
| 21:55.10 | frankr | that goes from all > ogg tho I need to do ogg > mp3 |
| 21:55.30 | jetscreamer | o |
| 21:55.38 | frankr | if I could just find a program to decode them to raw to stdout then I could pipe it to lame |
| 21:55.50 | King_Brad | ok, does anyone know where i can find a tutoral and some expamples on a startup script that will run a command with diffrent .conf files from 1 dir? |
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| 21:58.18 | jetscreamer | gd gnome is like more peppy nowadays |
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| 21:58.30 | jetscreamer | same box |
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| 21:58.40 | jetscreamer | less ram even |
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| 21:59.02 | drwahl_ | i am having issues getting my ipw2200 working. i used module-assistant, and it didnt complain about anything. i rebooted, and my wireless card is still not available |
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| 21:59.11 | drwahl_ | i get this in dmesg: ipw2200: ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2 |
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| 22:00.36 | klobster | I want to create a partition with my /home folder and a /shared_media folder. is there a way to do this? |
| 22:01.03 | edistar | klobster: what do you want to do with it? |
| 22:01.07 | jetscreamer | sure why not |
| 22:01.17 | oblio | jetscreamer: thanks btw |
| 22:01.19 | jetscreamer | you need freespace on your hd though |
| 22:01.31 | edistar | jetscreamer: that is obvious:P |
| 22:01.34 | jetscreamer | and i don't mean like df -h |
| 22:01.38 | frankr | Does anyone know of a way to decode a windows media audio file to stdout? |
| 22:01.41 | frankr | .wmat |
| 22:01.42 | frankr | rather |
| 22:01.43 | frankr | .wma |
| 22:01.52 | jetscreamer | mplayer/mencoder |
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| 22:01.56 | jetscreamer | frankr: |
| 22:01.59 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 22:02.02 | frankr | I'm using mplayer right now but it outputs to a file not stdout |
| 22:02.09 | jetscreamer | tell it to |
| 22:02.13 | jetscreamer | not sure how |
| 22:02.16 | jetscreamer | #mplayer |
| 22:02.23 | klobster | I cant mount it right, though. if i mount it to / then it takes over my root dir structure, but if I mount it to /home, then I get: /home/home , and /home/shared_media |
| 22:02.30 | jetscreamer | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/index.html |
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| 22:02.58 | jetscreamer | ah. klobster i know what you want |
| 22:02.59 | edistar | klobster: you have a partition, right? |
| 22:03.03 | oblio | frankr: stdout? by that you mean to a wave file? |
| 22:03.10 | oblio | wav |
| 22:03.14 | jetscreamer | he has a dir called home in the partition he's mounting under home |
| 22:03.20 | frankr | oblio, no, by that I mean to stdout so I can pipe it to lame |
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| 22:03.27 | oblio | frankr: just run mencoder |
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| 22:03.35 | drwahl_ | i am having issues getting my ipw2200 working. i used module-assistant, and it didnt complain about anything. i rebooted, and my wireless card is still not available. i get this in dmesg: ipw2200: ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2 |
| 22:04.00 | Yea10354 | how cna i tar a default debian install ? |
| 22:04.38 | geo-rge | that question is the same as "how cna i tar" |
| 22:04.42 | klobster | jetscreamer is close. I have /home and /sharedmedia in one partition. I want to mount that partition in such a way as to get /home and /shared_media as dir trees right off the / tree |
| 22:05.07 | Yea10354 | geo-rge: im syaing whats the best way to go about doing it ? |
| 22:05.26 | geo-rge | tmtowtdi |
| 22:05.53 | jetscreamer | you want the bind directive in the mount command |
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| 22:06.26 | Michael_K | hey guys i have been lookin on the net for a while here but i haven't find like help on how to set like http://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages as like e.g. "deb http://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages main stable" |
| 22:06.36 | jetscreamer | mount the partition elsewhere, then remount with bind directive the home dir on the partition under /home |
| 22:06.58 | jetscreamer | that doesn't work Michael_K |
| 22:07.13 | Michael_K | ok |
| 22:07.18 | Michael_K | so how do i do it |
| 22:07.19 | klobster | jetscreamer, thank you I will look into that. |
| 22:07.29 | jetscreamer | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free is more like what you want i think |
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| 22:07.50 | jetscreamer | add marillat's to taste |
| 22:07.58 | Michael_K | cause i am tryin to get an app |
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| 22:08.02 | Michael_K | called splashy |
| 22:08.09 | jetscreamer | bake at 350 for one hour... and viola! |
| 22:08.18 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 22:08.18 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 22:08.21 | jetscreamer | that ^^ |
| 22:08.41 | jetscreamer | !find splashy |
| 22:08.43 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'splashy' (4): libsplashy1 ;; libsplashy1-dev ;; splashy ;; splashy-themes. |
| 22:08.46 | qrck | how can i detect if i'm in a vt terminal or in one of Xsession terminals ? |
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| 22:08.53 | jetscreamer | !info splashy etch |
| 22:09.10 | jetscreamer | qrck: you would be able to tell i think? |
| 22:09.15 | geo-rge | echo $TERM |
| 22:09.18 | jetscreamer | [17.09.14] <dpkg> Package 'splashy' does not exist. |
| 22:09.27 | jetscreamer | !info splashy testing |
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| 22:09.42 | jetscreamer | !info splashy sid |
| 22:09.46 | dpkg | splashy: (A complete user-space boot splash system), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.3.3 (sid), Packaged size: 2053 kB, Installed size: 3544 kB |
| 22:09.51 | jetscreamer | only in sid |
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| 22:09.55 | jetscreamer | aka unstable |
| 22:10.03 | qrck | nope i mean if i run a program and alias a version of it with some defaults for the terminal and don't want to alias it with those for the version running in X |
| 22:10.23 | qrck | guh |
| 22:10.34 | jetscreamer | he doesn't want bashrc sourced for xterms i guess |
| 22:10.41 | Michael_K | jetscreamer: so that mean it won't work on etch properly right |
| 22:11.02 | jetscreamer | Michael_K: might not, might... depends. you might see if a backport is available |
| 22:11.12 | jetscreamer | probably wouldn't though, dependencies |
| 22:11.17 | qrck | i have to check env variables ? |
| 22:11.23 | qrck | or no |
| 22:11.28 | qrck | that wouldn't work |
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| 22:11.50 | fedoremilianenko | is true that debian is the most common distro used by developers? |
| 22:12.09 | jetscreamer | feels like there should be a way to do what you are asking about, qrck but of course i don't know how |
| 22:12.10 | Michael_K | jetscreamer: ok do you know any other methods of enabling the boot splash for the bootin of debian linux |
| 22:12.24 | jetscreamer | !find splash etch |
| 22:12.25 | geo-rge | fedoremilianenko: ask all developers |
| 22:12.25 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'splash' (10): bootsplash ;; bootsplash-theme-debian ;; debian-edu-artwork-usplash ;; gnome-splashscreen-manager ;; grub-splashimages ;; ksplash ;; ksplash-engine-moodin ;; libtk-splashscreen-perl ;; linux-patch-bootsplash ;; usplash. |
| 22:12.37 | qrck | jetscreamer, i will just look at bash code for other programs, never mind |
| 22:12.47 | geo-rge | except don't do polls here; thta's off topic |
| 22:12.51 | jetscreamer | usplash is what they use in ubuntu i think |
| 22:12.53 | jetscreamer | not sure |
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| 22:13.40 | jetscreamer | lilo/grub do bootsplashes also... and also, there is something in the kernel, but i've never done the kernel one |
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| 22:14.02 | jetscreamer | it'sdisabled by default in stock kernels iirc |
| 22:14.08 | Michael_K | jetscreamer: ok cause i saw another method of enabling the boot splash for debian but i have to compile kernel............ |
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| 22:14.17 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 22:14.27 | Michael_K | jetscreamer: but that sounds risky |
| 22:14.46 | jetscreamer | Michael_K: so that makes 3 seperate methods of doing bootsplash |
| 22:14.47 | Michael_K | jetscreamer: messin with the kernel...right |
| 22:15.02 | jetscreamer | you don't need the kernel one enabled to use the other 2 |
| 22:15.11 | geo-rge | someone always has to compiler a kernel sometime... otherwise other people would only have sourcer |
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| 22:16.02 | Michael_K | jetscreamer: ok i am kinda lost ...can you give me the other two methods...pls |
| 22:16.07 | jetscreamer | also, you may have to add the word 'splash' to the kernel line of grub or lilo |
| 22:16.16 | jetscreamer | !find splash etch |
| 22:16.18 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'splash' (10): bootsplash ;; bootsplash-theme-debian ;; debian-edu-artwork-usplash ;; gnome-splashscreen-manager ;; grub-splashimages ;; ksplash ;; ksplash-engine-moodin ;; libtk-splashscreen-perl ;; linux-patch-bootsplash ;; usplash. |
| 22:16.38 | jetscreamer | grub/lilo, usplash et al, and the kernel |
| 22:16.48 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
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| 22:17.38 | Michael_K | jetscreamer: ok thanks |
| 22:17.50 | g32k1 | Hi guys, i'm not new to linux, but will install debian for the first time. Do i need the 3 dvd isos?, can i do a base intall with 1 image? |
| 22:18.03 | jetscreamer | just the first one is all you need |
| 22:18.10 | jetscreamer | you might consider a net install |
| 22:18.18 | Nichev1 | me like |
| 22:18.23 | Michael_K | jetscreamer: ok for the grub/lilo...do i have to install the "bootsplash" |
| 22:18.24 | g32k1 | jetscreamer: Thanks :) |
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| 22:18.34 | g32k1 | I will install it just in one computer |
| 22:19.04 | jetscreamer | d/l the dvd, install, d/l the updates, or just d/l the updated install ... |
| 22:19.09 | jetscreamer | up2u :) |
| 22:19.23 | ben_goodger | for pity's sake, use the netinst |
| 22:19.38 | jetscreamer | unless you don't want to of course |
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| 22:20.20 | jetscreamer | your install probably won't be the size of a dvd, either, when you get done |
| 22:20.27 | jetscreamer | with either method |
| 22:21.16 | jetscreamer | save time, save money, save a tree for the good of all mankind!!! |
| 22:21.46 | jetscreamer | save the world! be a superhero! install debian!!! |
| 22:21.46 | g32k1 | jetscreamer: well i'll check it out |
| 22:22.33 | jetscreamer | but do whatever you like eh :) |
| 22:29.26 | jetscreamer | dammit.... that should have been a seperate line |
| 22:29.26 | Michael_K | jetscreamer: ok i am goin to try the grub/lilo if anythin i will come back and let you know how it go |
| 22:29.26 | jetscreamer | i meant 'do whatever you like' not 'and then do whatever you like' |
| 22:29.26 | jetscreamer | Michael_K: |
| 22:29.27 | jetscreamer | iirc the grub/lilo splashes don't last for the entire boot process... but it's been a while |
| 22:29.27 | jetscreamer | usplash is probably more like what you want |
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| 22:29.27 | jetscreamer | ubuntu owns a yew tree i see |
| 22:29.27 | jetscreamer | ownz oops |
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| 22:29.32 | fedoremilianenko | hi, what debian cds do I need for gnome, firefox, xine? |
| 22:29.32 | lambda | any idea to enable courier authentification on my smtpd please |
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| 22:29.36 | lambda | or does this task dedicate to postfix my currentl MTA ? |
| 22:29.42 | frank | lambda: depends on your mta |
| 22:29.48 | lambda | postfix |
| 22:30.08 | jetscreamer | fedoremilianenko: 'mostly' just cd#1 , but i'm not sure |
| 22:30.14 | jetscreamer | there is a list somewhere.... |
| 22:30.40 | fedoremilianenko | jetscreamer: thank you |
| 22:31.04 | jetscreamer | !cd contents |
| 22:31.05 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 22:31.10 | jetscreamer | there ya go |
| 22:31.50 | fedoremilianenko | ok, thank you |
| 22:33.02 | fedoremilianenko | what is iceweasel? i've never heard about this ... |
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| 22:33.15 | frank | fedoremilianenko: unbranded firefox |
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| 22:34.04 | fedoremilianenko | ok, but i don't understand why not using firefox |
| 22:34.45 | jetscreamer | something about the license |
| 22:35.03 | jetscreamer | it's the same thing, just a tad different |
| 22:35.12 | jetscreamer | !firefox |
| 22:35.13 | dpkg | firefox is probably the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo "gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"" >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support>, or ask me about <iceweasel> |
| 22:35.23 | jetscreamer | eh |
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| 22:35.33 | jetscreamer | !iceweasel |
| 22:35.33 | dpkg | i guess iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 22:35.37 | jetscreamer | there it is |
| 22:35.52 | jetscreamer | !tell fedoremilianenko -about why iceweasel |
| 22:36.06 | fedoremilianenko | thanks |
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| 22:37.22 | jetscreamer | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 |
| 22:38.35 | jetscreamer | brand switch eh.... cool |
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| 22:39.47 | |messiah| | I have a problem when I try to remove a package with apt-get remove, said subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 22:40.45 | geo-rge | |messiah|: your next step is to read that script, run the steps individually and see where it breaks and why |
| 22:40.48 | swien | hi |
| 22:40.59 | |messiah| | let me see |
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| 22:41.51 | westyvw | !ask |
| 22:41.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:41.59 | frank | |messiah|: might be interesting what package, which debian version, wether there's already a bugreport |
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| 22:43.09 | westyvw | I have a problem with reconfiguring Udev. It references a kernel I do not have installed. So there must be a link pointing to it. The exact message is /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-k7 does not exist. Cannot update. |
| 22:43.25 | n3kl | Which wolfenstein is free? Anyone know where I can download it? |
| 22:43.31 | westyvw | i need to remove that refernce but where? |
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| 22:44.50 | Coweater | n3kl: Return to Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory |
| 22:44.51 | frank | westyvw: what do you exactly wanna do? |
| 22:45.27 | westyvw | I want to dpkg-reconfigure Udev. It cant because it refernces a image that doesnt exist. I dont use that kernel |
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| 22:45.34 | Wyzard | Interesting... there's a "flashplayer-mozilla" package in 64-bit unstable today, that apparently uses nspluginwrapper to run the 32-bit Flash plugin |
| 22:45.41 | jetscreamer | idsoftware.com for et |
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| 22:46.21 | ben_goodger | Wyzard: well, if it ever moves to testing let me know :) |
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| 22:46.47 | Wyzard | Well, it doesn't seem to actually work -- in Epiphany, at least, I get no entry for Flash in about:plugins |
| 22:46.48 | westyvw | I cant find it anywhere on this system. There is nothing in /boot/initrd no such image, that kernel is not installed, and its empty |
| 22:46.53 | Wyzard | and it's odd that the package is in main rather than non-free |
| 22:47.22 | hark | Wyzard: debian-multimedia maybe? |
| 22:47.48 | Wyzard | ah, yes, indeed it is |
| 22:48.41 | jetscreamer | !info tremulous |
| 22:48.42 | dpkg | tremulous: (Aliens vs Humans, team based FPS game with elements of an RTS), section contrib/games, is optional. Version: 1.1.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 641 kB, Installed size: 1508 kB |
| 22:48.52 | jetscreamer | check that one out too |
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| 22:49.02 | n3kl | Coweater: thanks |
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| 22:50.07 | westyvw | well maybe i will install that kernel image and update udev anyways |
| 22:50.12 | westyvw | hate doing that |
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| 22:53.18 | frank | westyvw: i just tried dpkg-reconfigure udev here and all it does was calling update-initramfs, i guess that also depends on how debconf is configured |
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| 22:54.21 | westyvw | Thats whats messing this up I think, the Initramfs isnt used unless its an initd load, (ie no vmlinuz) so it was confusing the udev update. I think :) |
| 22:54.45 | westyvw | i am having problems with debconf too so maybe that hasa to do with it as well |
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| 22:55.24 | westyvw | well that didnt help, nor can i update initramfs |
| 22:55.56 | frank | westyvw: then try edit /etc/initramfs-tools/update-initramfs |
| 22:56.09 | frank | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.58 | westyvw | ok i will have a look |
| 22:58.06 | koojoo_ | i am in debian 4.0... basically what i want to do is edit the bashrc file globally so i can change the PS1 prompt for ALL users. i have editied /etc/profile and changed trhe prompt, but when i login as an already installed user the new prompt doesnt show up... is there a file that I can edit that applies globally to bashrc?? |
| 22:58.09 | westyvw | messed up thing is that i am not using initramfs |
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| 22:58.58 | geo-rge | koojoo_: look in /etc/skel |
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| 22:59.40 | frank | westyvw: if you change the first variable to no this should be disabled as far as i understand |
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| 23:00.33 | frank | koojoo_: maybe you wanna paste you profile to a paster and show /etc/profile should work fine |
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| 23:01.16 | koojoo_ | frank, that made no sense (: |
| 23:01.18 | koojoo_ | im very new |
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| 23:02.06 | frank | paste /etc/profile e.g. to pastebin.ca so we can have a look, this file should work fine for what you wanna do |
| 23:02.23 | westyvw | frank: after set to no, it doesnt update initramfs and doesnt update udev. But more importantly, why is it referencing a kernel that doesnt exist? |
| 23:02.28 | hermogenes | !paste |
| 23:02.29 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 23:04.07 | koojoo_ | frank, i cant paste i dont have internet on my console yet |
| 23:04.26 | koojoo_ | and default debian install doesnt have cifs or smbfs supported so i cant mount a share on this cpu and transfer |
| 23:04.32 | westyvw | That is a secondary problem, the real problem is this: My usb only works if inserted during a boot. If it is put in after a boot, I get mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc |
| 23:05.02 | frank | westyvw: hm, i guess it just uses the latest kernel in /var/lib/initramfs-tools, what the content of this dir on your side? |
| 23:05.32 | frank | koojoo_: install e.g. ssh? |
| 23:05.45 | westyvw | there it is |
| 23:06.03 | frank | westyvw: so? |
| 23:06.08 | westyvw | just sec |
| 23:06.34 | westyvw | yep |
| 23:06.40 | westyvw | it shouldnt be there |
| 23:06.56 | westyvw | ARRRGGG |
| 23:06.57 | concept10 | stoned, ping |
| 23:07.01 | koojoo_ | frank, there is nothing wrong with my /etc/profile its a default debian installation |
| 23:07.14 | koojoo_ | frank, if i change one character in PS1= it doesnt change my prompt when i relogin |
| 23:07.23 | westyvw | so it cant update my kernel because the boot image has been altered. cannot update |
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| 23:07.42 | koojoo_ | i know that there is a .bashrc in /etc/skel but that doesnt change anything either when i update it because there is already a ~/.bashrc |
| 23:08.30 | frank | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.38 | koojoo_ | okay |
| 23:08.49 | jtg23_ | hey, um, i'm trying to install libbonobo and apparently the dep for libbonobo2-0 is libbonobo2-common but the dep for libbonobo2-common is libbonobo2-0, how does this work? |
| 23:08.56 | koojoo_ | i added an alias to /etc/profile and the alias command shows up |
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| 23:09.19 | koojoo_ | frank, but the PS1= dfoesnt show up... is this because ~/.bashrc exists and is overwriting? |
| 23:09.38 | frank | koojoo_: i guess you set PS1 later on again which overwrites your set up in /etc/profile |
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| 23:09.48 | frank | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.57 | koojoo_ | i never had it set |
| 23:10.00 | westyvw | but thanks frank. |
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| 23:10.28 | koojoo_ | my point is if i have 1000 users on my system already installed and i want to change the prompt system wide will i have to edit each users .bashrc ?? because if so that is ridiulous |
| 23:10.31 | tbamr | koojoo_: w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste/ and then paste your code. Whoever can help will look from there to help you. Copy/Paste using your middle mouse. |
| 23:10.46 | tbamr | s/mouse/button |
| 23:10.59 | koojoo_ | tbamr, i do not have internet on my debian box yet |
| 23:11.05 | tbamr | bummer. :( |
| 23:11.11 | tbamr | :) |
| 23:11.18 | koojoo_ | and debian doesnt have cifs or smbfs by default it seems |
| 23:11.25 | koojoo_ | so i cant mount it and copy to this computer |
| 23:12.06 | hermogenes | koojoo_: ssh |
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| 23:13.00 | koojoo_ | it is a basic debian install it doesnt have any internet |
| 23:13.03 | koojoo_ | as i said |
| 23:13.12 | frank | koojoo_: does your .bashrc contain PS1 stuff and is that set? .bashrc will override /etc/profile |
| 23:13.28 | koojoo_ | frank, .bashrc contains whatever is copied by default |
| 23:13.47 | frank | there's some order in which some files are parsed, but i don't know |
| 23:14.21 | frank | just look, i thought you are also on that computer |
| 23:14.48 | koojoo_ | i am on that computer |
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| 23:14.57 | koojoo_ | and yes the .bashrc has a PS1= |
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| 23:18.17 | frank | i guess the order is /etc/profile /etc/bash.bashrc .bash_profile .bashrc but i'm not quite sure |
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| 23:19.10 | frank | if you doesn't find a solution then there still 'tools' like perl, sed .. |
| 23:19.34 | frank | s/doesn't/don't/ |
| 23:19.43 | hermogenes | koojoo_: your system has 1000 users and you want to change all their login shells? |
| 23:19.55 | koojoo_ | well i dont know im used to gentoo and slackware which arent that much far off im trying to migrate to debian but i am really not liking its layout of configuration files |
| 23:20.54 | swien | is somebody from the java team still on? |
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| 23:28.12 | TRaK | hey all, i have a problem. When I boot debian, i get an X error, saying that it found a screen, but that it doesnt have a usable config. |
| 23:28.26 | TRaK | what gives? |
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| 23:29.57 | TRaK | I tried using vesa, all it did was make my monitor go black. Using the nvidia drivers makes the screen flash ugly colors |
| 23:30.11 | TRaK | I get the error when i try to use vga |
| 23:30.13 | geo-rge | that's not having to do with booting |
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| 23:30.20 | streuner | How about using 'nv'? ;-) |
| 23:30.25 | TRaK | I did |
| 23:30.30 | TRaK | I get flasing colors |
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| 23:30.42 | TRaK | that dont make sense |
| 23:30.51 | streuner | What does 'lspci -v | grep -i vga' say? |
| 23:31.18 | geo-rge | looks like debian boots fine, and it actually does quite a bit (mounts the partitions, starts the multitasking (init), maybe starts some other things, then after all that tries to start x |
| 23:31.28 | TRaK | yup |
| 23:31.31 | TRaK | then it dies |
| 23:31.40 | geo-rge | dies? no. |
| 23:31.45 | geo-rge | debian is running. |
| 23:31.46 | TRaK | I dunno what lspci and grep are supposed to do |
| 23:31.57 | TRaK | sorry |
| 23:31.58 | streuner | just run it :-) |
| 23:32.02 | TRaK | I'm kindof a newb |
| 23:32.06 | TRaK | ok |
| 23:32.10 | TRaK | ill be back |
| 23:32.58 | bjoernb | bye |
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| 23:35.10 | ProwL | test |
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| 23:36.58 | geo-rge | !test |
| 23:36.58 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 23:37.03 | geo-rge | aww... |
| 23:38.40 | tbamr | !moo |
| 23:38.41 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 23:41.41 | Michael_K | dpkg: you know how to configure grub to enable the boot splash on debian?...... i tried it just now but it didn't work ..i don't think i did it properly. |
| 23:42.03 | ben_goodger | !bot |
| 23:42.03 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 23:42.30 | ben_goodger | Michael_K: dpkg is about as likely to have an intelligent conversation with you as your answering machien |
| 23:44.08 | Michael_K | ben_goodger: ok....so you know how to configure grub to enable the boot splash on debian?...... i tried it just now but it didn't work ..i don't think i did it properly. |
| 23:44.23 | ben_goodger | Michael_K: nope |
| 23:44.44 | Michael_K | ben_goodger: ok thanks |
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| 23:45.26 | Michael_K | does anyone know how to configure grub to enable the boot splash on debian? |
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| 23:47.51 | stoned | Michael_K: splashimage (hdx,x)/path/to/bootsplashimage.xpm.gz -- file must be 640x480 resolution, 14 color xpm picture gziped compressed |
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| 23:48.17 | stoned | Michael_K: splashimage /path is the option to use in config file /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 23:49.07 | Azar | hello mister stoned |
| 23:49.12 | stoned | hi |
| 23:49.18 | Michael_K | stoned: ok |
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| 23:50.40 | Michael_K | stoned: W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 23:50.41 | Michael_K | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 23:50.55 | Michael_K | i keep gettin this god damn error message |
| 23:51.10 | ma3x | hey is there some kind of 'event' happening when I close/open the lid of my laptop? |
| 23:51.11 | Michael_K | every time i run apt-get update |
| 23:52.03 | swien | Michael_K than just add those keys to the trusted ones |
| 23:52.50 | swien | ma3x: depending on your laptop there could be a acpi event |
| 23:52.53 | stoned | Michael_K: install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 23:53.07 | ma3x | swien, how do I find out? |
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| 23:54.15 | CAP6694 | hola people |
| 23:54.16 | swien | ma3x: start acpi_listen in some console and close the lid. |
| 23:55.12 | Michael_K | stoned: is there a backport keyring? |
| 23:56.01 | Michael_K | never mind |
| 23:56.04 | stoned | Michael_K: I dunno, look on the website |
| 23:57.06 | ma3x | swien, it says button/lid LID 00000080 00000006 |
| 23:57.41 | swien | ma3x: Is this the open or close event? |
| 23:58.00 | ma3x | swien, i opened closed it, it displays only one |
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| 23:58.40 | ma3x | swien, and that last number 06 increases every time |
| 23:59.04 | swien | ma3x: right. the first number is the event code the second is a counter |
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| 23:59.20 | swien | ma3x: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 23:59.36 | ma3x | swien, when that event happens, I want it to do 'xset -dpms' |
