| 00:00.28 | swien | ma3x: have a look at /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn |
| 00:01.16 | ma3x | swien, there is only fglrx-ac fglrx-lid powerbtn in /etc/acpi/events/ |
| 00:03.19 | swien | ma3x: This file belongs to acpi-support |
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| 00:05.47 | ma3x | swien, ok it's leading me to /etc/acpi/lid.sh |
| 00:07.01 | ma3x | swien, http://paste.debian.net/31285 - I see the line almost at the end that says xset force dpms on, I wonder could I remove just that line? or would that bug the script? |
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| 00:08.33 | swien | ma3x: I don't think that this would bug the script. |
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| 00:09.12 | ma3x | swien, I just changed it to xset force dpms off |
| 00:09.22 | ma3x | but it still keeps enabling it after i close the lid |
| 00:09.29 | ma3x | i restarted acpid too |
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| 00:09.49 | swien | ma3x: strange |
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| 00:11.13 | swien | ma3x: could you check that the script ran? |
| 00:11.58 | ma3x | swien, I had kpowersave battery mointoring running, I just quit it and it's working now |
| 00:12.26 | swien | ma3x: ah ^^ |
| 00:12.35 | ma3x | now is it possible to configure it when I close the laptop lid to turn on dpms and when I reopen it to turn it off? |
| 00:12.45 | ma3x | it's one event only |
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| 00:15.52 | unlink | is there lighter-weight mailing list software available for exim4 than mailman? |
| 00:16.31 | muhoo | ok, apache is fucked up. i've got php4 loaded. it is correctly executing and interpreting php pages. if i lynx them, they come back perfectly, if i lynx -source them, they come back perfectly. but in firefox, they show up as attachments! |
| 00:16.35 | muhoo | i.e. PHTML files |
| 00:16.39 | muhoo | the mime type is fucked up |
| 00:16.56 | muhoo | using curl -D -, it seems the files are being served with type x-http-php or some such shit |
| 00:16.58 | swien | ma3x: sorry I did not yet use kpowersave. |
| 00:17.03 | muhoo | wtf? |
| 00:17.13 | ma3x | swien, im talking about the script only |
| 00:17.19 | Yea10354 | hey i need some help |
| 00:17.24 | ma3x | i terminated powersave |
| 00:17.45 | muhoo | no wait! |
| 00:17.54 | muhoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.59 | JonasNZ | AddType application/x-httpd-php .phtml |
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| 00:18.01 | muhoo | but in firefox, they are PHTML attachments |
| 00:18.12 | Yea10354 | i need a tar.gz of a debian default file system |
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| 00:19.09 | muhoo | aha |
| 00:19.12 | muhoo | cache clearing solved it |
| 00:19.14 | muhoo | :-) |
| 00:19.17 | muhoo | yay! |
| 00:19.18 | Yea10354 | how can i go about doing this ? |
| 00:19.20 | muhoo | apache works again |
| 00:19.29 | swien | ma3x: it would be god to know which of the two events is send. The script is run for both of them and there is a if-statement to distinguish both |
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| 00:20.55 | Yea10354 | hey someone help me please |
| 00:21.01 | Yea10354 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.42 | grew | Yea10354: why? just do a default install and make one |
| 00:21.49 | swien | Yea10354: Have a look at debootstrap |
| 00:22.52 | Yea10354 | swien: what does that do ? |
| 00:24.28 | swien | Yea10354: It creates a debian base installation. You can for example use it for chroots, vservers etc. |
| 00:25.02 | Yea10354 | can i use it for a real server ? |
| 00:25.21 | Yea10354 | i have a real server i am trying to put a default base distro on it |
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| 00:26.30 | swien | Yea10454: If you know what you are doing you can do that, too. But you will have to get your hands dirty to do that |
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| 00:27.44 | swien | Yea10354: Why don't you use the debian installer? |
| 00:28.03 | Yea10354 | the servcer is not local |
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| 00:28.07 | Yea10354 | server |
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| 00:31.22 | schoppenhauer | hello. i found a very interesting fuse-filesystem named "archivemount", where one can mount some archives, but there is no package for it yet. i now have two questions: does anyone of you happen to know if there was another fuse-filesystem-mounter with a package already existing for debian. and: i heard that the maintained package that are not already in the standard-package-trees are in some ace like "incoming", how can one add this .. |
| 00:31.25 | swien | Yea10354: It's a rented server? |
| 00:31.29 | schoppenhauer | ... to the sources.list or so? |
| 00:31.32 | Yea10354 | swien: yes sir |
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| 00:32.19 | Yea10354 | swien: and i want a default debian on it |
| 00:32.45 | swien | Yeah10354: I know some good german documentation for this |
| 00:33.28 | grew | Yea10354: can you get someone to hookup a serial terminal? |
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| 00:33.50 | schoppenhauer | i could create a package myself, this is not hard, since archivemount is so far only one executable file, but... if there is another package, i would use it. and anyway, I would like to know how to add "incoming" - if my information was correct, that there is one repository with those packages. |
| 00:34.29 | grew | !tell schoppenhauer about incoming |
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| 00:34.47 | daeos | quick question, i installed ilohamail and after seeing a mistake i made when debconf asked me what path i want to use, i tried to uninstall the package and reinstall it, but debconf never came back up, how can i remove the package completly and have debconf come back up and ask me again the information that i need to put in. |
| 00:35.17 | Yea10354 | grew: i am going to start colocation in a few months where i will send like 10 servers and have them all hooked up and have one as a serial terminal but no not at the moment ..........but i can boot it into a network boot so that gives me full access to the HD then i can turn off netwrok system and restart server as normal |
| 00:35.38 | schoppenhauer | grew: thanks |
| 00:35.47 | waltercool | !kernelsources |
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| 00:36.03 | waltercool | how can i get linux kernel sources? |
| 00:36.09 | schoppenhauer | kernel.org? |
| 00:36.23 | waltercool | xD, but via apt-get |
| 00:36.41 | grew | !tell waltercool about kernel source |
| 00:36.43 | swien | Yeah10354: Then debootstrap is what you want to do. |
| 00:37.00 | mue_ | i want to format a broken ipod (at least the partition table is broken), the dev get's recognized as /dev/sdc with 3.5gb instead of 10gb, what to do? |
| 00:37.26 | waltercool | wow... thanks... idk yet how use dpkg bot |
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| 00:38.35 | swien | Yeah10354: Create the partitions and mount them. do the debootstrap to the new mounted root-filesystem. install grub some kernel. Edit /etc/fstab, set the correct keyboard type, locale, etc |
| 00:39.21 | Yea10354 | swien: is debootstrap meant for this ? |
| 00:39.37 | swien | Yeah10354: almost |
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| 00:40.13 | swien | Yeah10354: I use it for that purpose on some servers. |
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| 00:41.09 | Yea10354 | swien: does it work good ? |
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| 00:42.21 | swien | Yea10354: It woks. |
| 00:42.32 | swien | s/woks/works/ |
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| 00:43.06 | Yea10354 | swien: i got one chance :P |
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| 00:44.22 | swien | Yea10354: Ui. It took me a lot more testing to do that on my servers. |
| 00:44.39 | Yea10354 | grrrrrrr |
| 00:44.52 | Yea10354 | i mean i can do it more then once if i setup the recovery console |
| 00:44.56 | Yea10354 | which is basically a remote terminal |
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| 00:45.10 | Toothpick | !suspend |
| 00:45.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, suspend is check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!) |
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| 00:45.49 | Palish | arg..trying to find a package..is it apt-cache ...something? |
| 00:46.13 | swien | Yea10354: Then it should do. |
| 00:49.11 | Yea10354 | swien: do i need ot use the remote console or no ? |
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| 00:49.43 | swien | Yea10354: I think you will. |
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| 00:50.01 | Yea10354 | how exactly does debootstrap work ? |
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| 00:50.19 | swien | Yea10354: What you will have to do ist this. |
| 00:50.28 | swien | s/ist/is/ |
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| 00:52.30 | swien | Yea10354: On your lokal debian pc you do debootstrap etch /some/target/dir Then you pack that dir copy it over to your remote console |
| 00:52.52 | swien | Yea10354: I assume your remote console does not have debootstrap |
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| 00:53.42 | Yea10354 | swien: i dont think so either |
| 00:54.52 | swien | Yea10354: Then try to run debootstrap locally. You will see what happens |
| 00:55.18 | Yea10354 | is deboot strap a program ? |
| 00:55.23 | Yea10354 | :P |
| 00:55.25 | Yea10354 | im googling :P |
| 00:56.13 | Palish | Hey.. Does anyone know the apt-get install command I use to install Tex? |
| 00:56.31 | swien | Yea10354: aptitude install debootstrap |
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| 00:56.59 | swien | Yea10354: debootstrap is a set of shell scripts |
| 00:57.10 | Yea10354 | ah |
| 00:57.22 | Yea10354 | does every debian have that installed ? |
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| 00:57.45 | Muisje | Yea10354 not by default |
| 00:58.00 | Muisje | you'd have to install it trough packet manager or tarball or such |
| 00:59.01 | Yea10354 | well my local is slackware |
| 00:59.06 | Yea10354 | can i still get debootstrap ? |
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| 01:00.17 | Muisje | Don't know, i'm a newbie actually. |
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| 01:01.21 | swien | Yeah10354: I don't know if slackware has debootstrap. gentoo for example has it in its repo. Just search their repository. |
| 01:01.31 | Palish | Arg |
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| 01:01.45 | Yea10354 | swien: can i jus use the tar .gz ? |
| 01:01.45 | |messiah| | hello all |
| 01:02.05 | Palish | sbcl can't be installed on debian :( |
| 01:03.27 | |messiah| | I am trying to create the key and the certificates in PEM format, someone know what tool I can use? |
| 01:03.27 | swien | Yeah10354: which tar.gz? |
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| 01:18.13 | swien | |messiah|: do you use openssl? Then -outform PEM is what you are looking for |
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| 01:18.55 | donaldo | why does ethereal/wireshark depend on portaudio? |
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| 01:24.47 | wols_ | probably can output sound |
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| 01:27.26 | donaldo | wols_: i guess... seems silly |
| 01:28.30 | chapium | i noticed a little bug with lenny |
| 01:28.47 | wols_ | I'm sure it has more than just a little bug |
| 01:28.51 | chapium | i'm sure its been there some time in other versions, but it doesnt make sense |
| 01:28.58 | chapium | this is a superficial one |
| 01:29.05 | chapium | lock and log out are on the gnome menu twice |
| 01:29.21 | chapium | first on the main menu, then also in a submenu |
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| 01:30.19 | chapium | easy to fix from the user i suppose.. but lacks finesse |
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| 01:38.29 | swien | bye |
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| 01:41.32 | GhostlyDeath | damn... compiling stuff with a nice value of -20 slows everythhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhing else |
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| 01:41.50 | Guerin | no shit |
| 01:41.58 | GhostlyDeath | and keys kind of stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck too |
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| 01:42.16 | daeos | im trying to reinstall a package i installed and have it reprompt me for settings, and after removeal and reisntall , i do not get reprompted for settings from debconf |
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| 01:43.06 | Guerin | daeos: dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 01:43.45 | daeos | ah |
| 01:43.49 | daeos | so not defconf... ok |
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| 01:46.53 | GhostlyDeath | compiiling is sloow even wwwwwith -20 nice valllle, can't it usee both prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrocessors!? |
| 01:47.19 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: shut up already |
| 01:47.36 | GhostlyDeath | ? |
| 01:47.40 | westyvw | i am having trouble with USB. KDE see's the device, offers to open or ignore, but when I open it crashes with mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb, however it works fine if the usb is in during boot. |
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| 01:47.59 | Sn|per | hey whats the package for tcl on debian? |
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| 01:48.06 | Sn|per | i need it for my eggie lol |
| 01:48.09 | abrotman | Sn|per: apt-cache search tcl |
| 01:48.11 | Guerin | Sn|per: aptitude search tcl |
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| 01:48.31 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: compiling on nice -20 doesn't make the build any faster, either |
| 01:48.32 | Sn|per | i tried apt-get search lol |
| 01:48.39 | Sn|per | no wonder why it didnt work lol |
| 01:48.44 | Guerin | Sn|per: your brain is clearly malformed |
| 01:49.28 | GhostlyDeath | Guerin: Givvvvving it dibs on the FIFO system |
| 01:49.39 | Guerin | Sn|per: how do you manage to sn|pe if you're constantly laughing out loud? Don't your marks hear you? |
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| 01:49.50 | samuel | sup all |
| 01:49.57 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: yes,m but unless the box is already under heavy load, it don't make a damn bit of difference. |
| 01:50.01 | Sn|per | rude channel |
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| 01:50.07 | Guerin | !customer |
| 01:50.08 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 01:50.19 | samuel | anyone here have any experience installing debian testing in a macbook pro (santa rosa w nvidia) |
| 01:50.21 | samuel | ? |
| 01:50.37 | Guerin | !anyone use debian testing in a macbook pro? |
| 01:50.38 | dpkg | No, no one uses debian testing in a macbook pro, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:50.54 | Guerin | !laptop |
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| 01:50.54 | dpkg | [laptop] All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 01:50.59 | Guerin | samuel: ↑ |
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| 01:51.59 | samuel | Guerin: thanks, but ive looked in all those places, afaik nobody has installed debian on these macbooks yet, so i thought i would ask before trying |
| 01:52.21 | Guerin | samuel: if it's not documented there it seems very unlikely to have eben done before. |
| 01:53.12 | samuel | Guerin: no big deal, the hardware is mostly "linux friendly" so i imagine i wont have probs |
| 01:53.23 | samuel | ill add to the debian wiki when im done |
| 01:53.23 | Guerin | samuel: apple ... linux-friendly, haha |
| 01:53.53 | Guerin | samuel: i expect, from prior performance, you'll have trouble with the wireless, battery life, and probably video |
| 01:54.23 | samuel | Guerin: normally yes, but this one is! video card is nvidia, and the madwifi-svn seems to work with WPA |
| 01:54.37 | Guerin | samuel: nifty. Good luck. |
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| 01:54.53 | samuel | thanks, im off to see the wizard then... |
| 01:54.57 | samuel | :) |
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| 01:58.32 | westyvw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:00.26 | daeos | im trying to use ilohamail , and am wondering if its simple to setup, or requires more than just installing the package.... the readme says its install and works out of the box, but I do not see it working at all.... |
| 02:01.33 | troythetechguy | Hello. I've been using Ubuntu for about a year, and I'm considering switching to Debian. What I really liked about Ubuntu is, being a newer linux user, I found Ubuntu had great support via mailing lists, IRC, forums, etc. Does Debian have the same? Any ideas, suggestions? |
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| 02:02.38 | daeos | troythetechguy: in a nutshell, ubuntu users usually come here to get support as Ubuntu support is a bit lacking |
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| 02:02.53 | daeos | troythetechguy: support for debian is as good as any other distro |
| 02:03.00 | wols | troythetechguy: it has it. but usually debian expects more knowledge from its users and willingness to read docs and do work on your own |
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| 02:03.59 | troythetechguy | Thank you, I appreciate the input. Any idea how Debian will run on my HP pavilion ze4125 laptop? Have you heard of any issues? |
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| 02:04.09 | wols | !laptop |
| 02:04.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 02:04.25 | daeos | does it have a s3 savage card? if so... good luck |
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| 02:05.14 | Yea10354 | anyone here ever use deboostrap ? |
| 02:05.40 | Yea10354 | also is it better to use Etch then it is to use Lenny ? |
| 02:05.54 | wols | yes, etch is better |
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| 02:06.05 | wols | !tell Yea10354 about debootstrap |
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| 02:07.26 | Yea10354 | so basically it will put a full debian file system in a directory i choose correct ? |
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| 02:07.38 | wols | partition |
| 02:07.49 | Yea10354 | what? |
| 02:07.54 | xerophyte | does anybody know any good GUI browser which is better than Nautilus ? |
| 02:07.55 | Yea10354 | it says a sub direcoty |
| 02:07.59 | izzyb | is it possible to restore a single file from a packagee using apt-get? |
| 02:08.21 | izzyb | I overwrote a config file and want to get a fresh copyy from the archive |
| 02:08.21 | alvin_lee | Hi. I am trying to update my debian3.0r2 to 4.0. I edited the /etc/apt/sources.list putting "ftp://ftp.belnet.be/debian Debian4.0r0 contrib main non-free" but when I do the apt-get update i get an error. Look: http://rafb.net/p/lpwdni82.html |
| 02:08.31 | pipeline | izzyb: remove with "--purge" then reinstall the package |
| 02:08.37 | wols | izzyb: what file? |
| 02:08.41 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 02:08.41 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 02:08.45 | troythetechguy | How does Debian perform with older hardware? I have a Celeron 300A with 425mb of ram. |
| 02:08.51 | izzyb | core.schema from openldap |
| 02:08.59 | Guerin | troythetechguy: that's not `older' |
| 02:08.59 | pipeline | troythetechguy: All that matters is RAM. And you have enough of it. |
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| 02:09.14 | Yea10354 | well here |
| 02:09.15 | wols | !tell alvin_lee about mmap |
| 02:09.21 | bonez41 | troythetechguy, I have a Compaq deskpro with celeron...running fine.... |
| 02:09.22 | pipeline | troythetechguy: I've used debian on a 12 MHz system with minimal suffering. It's all in the memory, mang. |
| 02:09.35 | daeos | troythetechguy: im running deb on a p3 450 with 385 mb ram |
| 02:09.40 | wols | alvin_lee: also you are not supposed to use apt-get at all- use aptitude to upgrade, as the release notes tell you |
| 02:09.41 | daeos | 384* |
| 02:09.48 | wols | !tell alvin_lee about sarge->etch |
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| 02:10.01 | Yea10354 | whats the best way to get a defauly debian on my server |
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| 02:10.24 | Guerin | Yea10354: using the install cd |
| 02:10.29 | wols | get a netinst, install |
| 02:10.31 | Yea10354 | server is not lcoal |
| 02:10.37 | troythetechguy | Guerin, It's seems older when i run Ubuntu on it, compared to my NEW 2.2Ghz processor and 1 gig of ram. |
| 02:10.39 | bonez41 | does this >> scott@zugraum:/proc$ cat meminfo MemTotal: 125940 kB << show that I have 124 mb of ram? |
| 02:10.40 | Guerin | Yea10354: then give the cd to someone who is |
| 02:10.53 | Yea10354 | its a datacenter they dont work that way |
| 02:10.57 | daeos | pipeline: 12 Mhz ???? what was it |
| 02:10.58 | Guerin | bonez41: more or less |
| 02:11.01 | izzyb | I'd rather not uninstall and reinstall openldap. I'm almost finished getting it configured |
| 02:11.04 | Yea10354 | i need to do it remotely |
| 02:11.07 | Guerin | Yea10354: is it running an OS already? |
| 02:11.11 | Yea10354 | yeop |
| 02:11.13 | Yea10354 | Debianm |
| 02:11.13 | bonez41 | Guerin, My machine would run much better with more ram....I am guessing |
| 02:11.15 | Yea10354 | Debian |
| 02:11.16 | troythetechguy | From the sound of it, I should be fine! :) Thanks. |
| 02:11.17 | abrotman | izzyb: move it out of the way .. and then /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 02:11.18 | izzyb | can I install it into a different dir and grap the file that way? |
| 02:11.18 | Guerin | Yea10354: then why do you want to change? |
| 02:11.24 | Yea10354 | its a bloated debian |
| 02:11.28 | Guerin | bonez41: that's always true. |
| 02:11.34 | alvin_lee | wols, thank very much |
| 02:11.34 | Guerin | Yea10354: then de-bloat it. |
| 02:11.38 | izzyb | abrotman, thanks |
| 02:11.39 | Yea10354 | has mysql postesql and a bunch of stuff already on there |
| 02:11.43 | pipeline | daeos: MIPS R2000 |
| 02:11.47 | bonez41 | Guerin, is there any way to read specific ram modules are installed....i.e., in each of three slots? |
| 02:11.51 | pipeline | daeos: A DECstation of some sort. |
| 02:11.55 | Yea10354 | i would really jus like to install a small default one |
| 02:11.57 | Yea10354 | and go from there |
| 02:12.05 | westyvw | my usb device will work at boot, but if i plug it in after the machine has already booted it fails. So the dynamic fstab is not getting populated. Debian Sid, worked until recently. |
| 02:12.08 | Guerin | Yea10354: uninstall stuff you don't need; remote installs are time-consuming, very tricky, and if you fuck it up (which you will), expensive |
| 02:12.09 | abrotman | Yea10354: who did your install ? |
| 02:12.11 | wols | h3xis: dmidecode |
| 02:12.20 | Guerin | bonez41: nttbomk |
| 02:12.23 | Yea10354 | the datacenter |
| 02:12.59 | abrotman | so just uninstall what you don't want |
| 02:13.08 | CompWizrd | bonez41: on a decently modern system, lshw will show it, although not always accurately. |
| 02:13.11 | Yea10354 | i would really like to just do it from scratch |
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| 02:13.20 | Yea10354 | a default debian and go from there |
| 02:13.21 | bonez41 | lshw? |
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| 02:13.56 | CompWizrd | bonez41: it's a package in debian, information about hardware configuration |
| 02:14.09 | Yea10354 | i have a remote termianl of it sorta |
| 02:14.17 | bonez41 | CompWizrd, is taht package something I have to install? |
| 02:14.17 | CompWizrd | it thinks the 4x256 meg sticks in one of my servers are 1 gig each, i should see what it thinks the other 4x1gig sticks really are |
| 02:14.25 | Yea10354 | i have a recovery system whch boots a small linux disto through the network |
| 02:14.31 | Yea10354 | so i have access to HD to change anything i want |
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| 02:14.55 | abrotman | you've been told more than one way |
| 02:15.03 | Yea10354 | yes i know |
| 02:15.09 | Yea10354 | but as i said i fuck up its not to good |
| 02:15.15 | Yea10354 | well i guess i could use the recovery system |
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| 02:15.24 | CompWizrd | it thinks they're empty, very nice |
| 02:15.40 | klhrevolutionist | is this ubuntu ? |
| 02:15.45 | Yea10354 | but what do i put in the /dev /proc etc dir's ???? |
| 02:15.49 | bonez41 | Guerin, what is that >> nttbomk |
| 02:16.05 | wols | !nttbomk |
| 02:16.05 | dpkg | Not To The Best Of My Knowledge |
| 02:16.14 | klhrevolutionist | I'm only playing.. |
| 02:16.16 | bonez41 | wols, thanks.... |
| 02:16.21 | CompWizrd | bonez41: lshw is a package, yes and it's not installed by default, no |
| 02:16.27 | wols | Yea10354: debootrap does it for you |
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| 02:17.39 | tuliox | hi, whats is the command to reconfigure new monitor resolution? |
| 02:18.01 | tuliox | like, to configure the x.org .. |
| 02:18.13 | westyvw | dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server |
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| 02:18.41 | tuliox | are you sure? lol |
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| 02:18.44 | westyvw | will take you through all the stuff for x, but your monitors setting will be asked to |
| 02:18.47 | westyvw | or |
| 02:18.57 | westyvw | you can hand edit the xorg.conf file and set up resolutions |
| 02:19.21 | tuliox | where the xorg.conf stays |
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| 02:19.40 | westyvw | make a backup first, its located in /etc/X11/ |
| 02:19.49 | tuliox | k |
| 02:20.51 | tuliox | the files is configured already |
| 02:20.57 | tuliox | but i cant pick those resolution |
| 02:21.04 | daeos | Tech Support: "I need you to right-click on the Open Desktop."Customer: "Ok."Tech Support: "Did you get a pop-up menu?"Customer: "No." |
| 02:21.16 | daeos | Tech Support: "Ok. Right click again. Do you see a pop-up menu?"Customer: "No."Tech Support: "Ok, sir. Can you tell me what you have done up until this point?" |
| 02:21.25 | daeos | Customer: "Sure, you told me to write 'click' and I wrote 'click'." |
| 02:21.37 | tuliox | lol |
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| 02:22.02 | westyvw | tuliox: no you add the new resolutions you want. |
| 02:22.08 | tuliox | lol |
| 02:22.14 | tuliox | the file already has the resolution i want |
| 02:22.18 | tuliox | how to set this resolution? |
| 02:23.17 | westyvw | it should default to the highest setting |
| 02:23.18 | tuliox | wait |
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| 02:23.51 | tuliox | is it better to reboot first? lol |
| 02:23.51 | westyvw | at least restart x |
| 02:23.51 | tuliox | restart x never works well :p |
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| 02:24.20 | daeos | i used 'lshw' and it said my cpu current mhz is at 450, max 500.... how would i make it 500? general question about lshw |
| 02:24.21 | Yea10354 | wols: what if i make it on a local system though wont the dev proc etc be invalid for the different server ? |
| 02:24.21 | tuliox | can i download and set a new system language for debian? |
| 02:24.42 | MaliutaWrk | tuliox: locales |
| 02:24.49 | MaliutaWrk | apt-get install locales |
| 02:25.06 | tuliox | will it change the kde's language? |
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| 02:25.48 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 02:27.09 | tuliox | why is the klodike autoplay so dumb? |
| 02:27.30 | daeos | tuliox: why are people who call tech support so dumb? |
| 02:27.50 | tuliox | lol nondumb people doesnt have to call the support |
| 02:27.53 | Guerin | grrr, stupid .htpasswd not working |
| 02:28.19 | abrotman | order matters |
| 02:28.35 | tuliox | btw |
| 02:28.45 | tuliox | the system bar looks so big, how to make it flater ? |
| 02:28.46 | daeos | thats why i ask why don't we support linux here.... and then i understand.... there's no point... those who use linux have a basic understanding of it enough to get on the internet and get on irc ha |
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| 02:29.52 | daeos | this is a rip.... lshw says my memory is 384 and max is 768... i've read up on the mobo i have and it says max is 384, wth ? |
| 02:30.14 | daeos | looks like im throwing in another 256 or a 512 i have |
| 02:30.22 | grew | hahahahahhahaha |
| 02:30.24 | grew | http://debian.beryl-project.org/ |
| 02:30.27 | abrotman | daeos: are you drunk? |
| 02:30.38 | abrotman | grew: that's funny? |
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| 02:30.46 | daeos | abrotman: drunk? how |
| 02:31.03 | daeos | daeos: im pissed that the mobo is max 384 MB ram , and lshw says max is 768 |
| 02:31.21 | grew | yes its hilarious |
| 02:31.28 | grew | did you goto it |
| 02:32.24 | tuliox | lol how to configure the main bar of kde ? |
| 02:32.26 | tuliox | the system bar |
| 02:32.48 | daeos | grew: i do not see how its funny either |
| 02:33.16 | grew | its funny when sites get owned |
| 02:33.38 | grew | lighten up |
| 02:33.57 | abrotman | how is it owned? |
| 02:34.07 | grew | uhm |
| 02:34.09 | grew | did you goto it? |
| 02:34.15 | bcast | Must be very subtle, I don't see it |
| 02:34.16 | abrotman | looks fine to me |
| 02:34.24 | tuliox | after generating locales throught dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 02:34.30 | bcast | Did they add HTML comments or something? |
| 02:34.31 | tuliox | just reboot ? |
| 02:34.45 | grew | its sure owned here |
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| 02:34.52 | abrotman | grew: maybe your DNS is |
| 02:35.03 | grew | it doesnt say YOU HAVE REACHED THE SHRINE OF OSAKA. BOW BEFORE HER. |
| 02:35.13 | grew | someone on another isp is getting it |
| 02:35.14 | abrotman | that's just you |
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| 02:35.20 | grew | its not just me, wrong |
| 02:35.29 | abrotman | well .. you're the only one in here getting that :) |
| 02:35.31 | bcast | No one here is getting it |
| 02:35.37 | bcast | Maybe it got fixed already? |
| 02:35.59 | tuliox | nobody is helping me lol |
| 02:36.00 | abrotman | or it's a cluster and just one got nailed |
| 02:36.04 | abrotman | !lol |
| 02:36.04 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 02:36.09 | grew | could be load balanced |
| 02:36.15 | daeos | grew: i went to it |
| 02:36.27 | Guerin | grr, now at least it's prompting for a htaccess usee/password, but not accepting the correct pair |
| 02:36.29 | xlotlu | grew: someone's making fun of your dns |
| 02:38.28 | Yea10354 | anyone here ever use Debootstrap ??????? |
| 02:38.28 | grew | xlotlu: wong, we already covered that |
| 02:38.28 | grew | im not the only one getting it |
| 02:38.29 | Guerin | fwiw, I get the shrine of osaka, as well |
| 02:38.29 | xlotlu | grew: or not, it got 3 machines in the dns |
| 02:38.29 | Yea10354 | debootstrap etch /patch/to |
| 02:38.29 | Yea10354 | is this correct ? |
| 02:38.29 | tuliox | lol dudes |
| 02:38.29 | tuliox | help me ;x |
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| 02:38.44 | grew | http://datavibe.net/~grew/berylowned.jpg |
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| 02:39.24 | Guerin | grew: what does this have to do with #debian? |
| 02:39.40 | Guerin | go and troll the beryl people, I'm sure they'll find it much more interesting |
| 02:40.00 | daeos | troll..... |
| 02:40.08 | tuliox | after dpkg-reconfigure locales... |
| 02:40.09 | daeos | i still don't know how to tell if someone is a troll |
| 02:40.10 | tuliox | whats next? |
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| 02:41.13 | grew | Guerin: lets see, it says "debian" in the hostname |
| 02:41.21 | abrotman | beryl isn't in debian |
| 02:41.23 | Guerin | grew: so? |
| 02:41.23 | grew | so yea its kind of related to debian |
| 02:41.30 | Guerin | grew: no, it's not |
| 02:41.47 | grew | i disagree |
| 02:41.57 | Guerin | grew: i could make a site on grew.domainIown.com, put some kiddy porn on it, then get you arrested? |
| 02:42.00 | abrotman | grew: tough ? |
| 02:42.07 | grew | lighten up |
| 02:42.17 | Guerin | grew: smarten up |
| 02:42.21 | Ronin | grew: actually he appears to be in a good mood tonight :) |
| 02:42.26 | klhrevolutionist | the fact that you know where to get kporn is nasty.. |
| 02:42.28 | grew | Guerin: pot calling the kettle black |
| 02:42.31 | Guerin | we like a good troll as much as the next lot, but you're not a good one |
| 02:42.52 | daeos | Guerin: is he a troll? for real? |
| 02:42.53 | daeos | wow |
| 02:43.01 | grew | there is nothing troll like about anything i have said here |
| 02:43.05 | Guerin | daeos: see the green rubbery skin, warts and scabs? |
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| 02:43.13 | grew | you should try learning what words mean before using them |
| 02:43.28 | Guerin | yes |
| 02:43.43 | Guerin | why don't I study The World According To Grew |
| 02:43.56 | daeos | replace that with a D and its a funny |
| 02:44.03 | daeos | (the G ) |
| 02:44.15 | Guerin | where pink is blue, up is down, and `debian' in the 3ld means the website is debian related |
| 02:44.23 | abrotman | oh i get it .. it's sunday :) |
| 02:44.24 | Guerin | and trolls are not trolls |
| 02:44.26 | tuliox | lol is it possible to change the display's language? |
| 02:44.27 | tuliox | :D |
| 02:44.29 | grew | Guerin: now youre trolling |
| 02:44.31 | Guerin | and being dumb is better than being smart |
| 02:44.42 | Guerin | grew: yes, but at least I'm doing it *properly* |
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| 02:44.57 | tuliox | !tell tuliox about locales |
| 02:44.57 | iCoreBot | but I dunno anything about locales |
| 02:45.04 | Guerin | iCoreBot: owner |
| 02:45.09 | abrotman | tuliox: just reboot |
| 02:45.11 | Ronin | great more bots |
| 02:45.19 | abrotman | !love me |
| 02:45.21 | Guerin | !ops iCoreBot wants a ban; you could do grew while you're at it |
| 02:45.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: iCoreBot wants a ban; you could do grew while you're at it |
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| 02:45.23 | tuliox | omg |
| 02:45.33 | abrotman | !tell me about foo |
| 02:45.33 | iCoreBot | I never heard of foo :( |
| 02:45.40 | tuliox | it is still in english :D |
| 02:45.44 | grew | Guerin: if anyone should be banned its you, just drop it |
| 02:45.45 | Guerin | iCoreBot: your owner is a fucktard |
| 02:45.45 | iCoreBot | okay then :) |
| 02:45.52 | Guerin | iCoreBot: your owner |
| 02:45.57 | Guerin | !your owner |
| 02:46.02 | Guerin | aww :( |
| 02:46.12 | abrotman | Guerin: !tell me about your owner |
| 02:46.24 | Guerin | hm, good point |
| 02:46.30 | Guerin | !tell me about your owner |
| 02:46.31 | iCoreBot | okay, I told me that your owner is a fucktard |
| 02:46.38 | Guerin | yes indeed |
| 02:46.43 | Ronin | very true |
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| 02:46.58 | Guerin | grew: please to be offucking |
| 02:47.08 | grew | ahh more trolling |
| 02:47.14 | grew | do us all a favor and go die in a fire |
| 02:47.23 | Guerin | no, you see |
| 02:47.26 | abrotman | grew: just put hhim on /ignore please |
| 02:47.28 | Guerin | I'm a fire-resistant troll |
| 02:47.35 | Guerin | teflon-coated, like |
| 02:47.41 | Ronin | play nice kids or use /ignore |
| 02:47.44 | grew | abrotman: its cool, im done with him |
| 02:47.55 | abrotman | it's not cool |
| 02:48.04 | grew | i have better things to do :) |
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| 02:48.26 | tuliox | oh i see how locales works |
| 02:48.27 | qrck | but i'm not done with you |
| 02:48.29 | qrck | ... |
| 02:48.38 | daeos | wow, a bot |
| 02:48.39 | tuliox | but, everytime i reboot my resolution is set back to 2048x1536 |
| 02:48.40 | qrck | hr hr hr |
| 02:48.43 | daeos | and a dumb one at that |
| 02:48.46 | qrck | ... |
| 02:48.49 | qrck | next turn |
| 02:48.52 | qrck | ... |
| 02:49.00 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:49.04 | kain | ":Guerin!n=lewis@121-73-1-241.cable.telstraclear.net PRIVMSG #debian :+iCoreBot: your owner is a fucktard" |
| 02:49.05 | kain | lol |
| 02:49.11 | kain | it's disturbing? |
| 02:49.12 | kain | :) |
| 02:49.14 | tuliox | how to force one working resolution |
| 02:49.20 | Ronin | kain: is that your bot? |
| 02:49.23 | Guerin | kain: is that your bot? |
| 02:49.27 | Ronin | jinx |
| 02:49.27 | Guerin | Ronin: hey |
| 02:49.37 | kain | yes, it's here to learn some english |
| 02:49.41 | kain | does it disturbs? |
| 02:49.46 | Guerin | kain: make him not respond to input |
| 02:49.49 | grew | tuliox: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and only select a working resolution |
| 02:49.53 | kain | it's respinding? uhm |
| 02:49.53 | kain | ok |
| 02:49.56 | qrck | you'll fail badly |
| 02:49.57 | Ronin | kain: did you ask before you dropped it in here too? |
| 02:50.03 | kain | sorry for that |
| 02:50.03 | qrck | and fall on your nose kid |
| 02:50.09 | qrck | .... |
| 02:50.14 | abrotman | qrck: do you have a debian question ? |
| 02:50.19 | qrck | yes i have |
| 02:50.24 | qrck | where is the fucking manual ? |
| 02:50.29 | adsd | haloo |
| 02:50.30 | abrotman | which manual ? |
| 02:50.54 | qrck | forget it |
| 02:50.55 | tuliox | ty im gonna sleep |
| 02:50.57 | kain | Ronin, next time I'll ask somebody |
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| 02:51.04 | kain | thought there will be no next time anyway |
| 02:51.05 | kain | :P |
| 02:51.13 | qrck | too early ? |
| 02:51.14 | Ronin | kain: usually a good idea before you drop a bot in someone elses channel |
| 02:51.15 | qrck | hrmmm |
| 02:51.16 | qrck | ..... |
| 02:51.47 | qrck | sleep well mate |
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| 02:51.56 | qrck | hope you dream of sheeples enough |
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| 02:52.10 | daeos | wow attack of the trolls |
| 02:52.16 | qrck | *giggles* |
| 02:52.24 | qrck | waaaah hah ha |
| 02:53.08 | n3kl | Is there an easy way to set up the tvout as a second monitor? |
| 02:53.13 | daeos | abrotman should be ops... so he can ban the trolls and bots |
| 02:53.25 | abrotman | start a petition |
| 02:53.55 | stew | qrck: please keep it on topic |
| 02:54.06 | daeos | grab names.. or is there a bot command i can do |
| 02:54.54 | daeos | who all here thinks abrotman should be and op? |
| 02:55.03 | cableroy | hm i got a program, moving a server to a xen. get problems with ext3 cause the partition is newer than the fsck tools, i copied fsck and fsck.ext3 from a newer install to make i work, but when i boot it says etc/init.d/rcS: /sbin/fsck: No such file or directory. okay? none):~# ls -alF /sbin/fsck |
| 02:55.03 | cableroy | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 21144 Jun 25 04:49 /sbin/fsck* |
| 02:55.04 | abrotman | that's a poll |
| 02:55.45 | qrck | i can't keep it on topic man |
| 02:55.45 | n3kl | who is the troll? |
| 02:55.46 | cableroy | program=problem its sooo early here |
| 02:55.48 | qrck | it's in my pants |
| 02:55.56 | qrck | LOL |
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| 02:56.16 | stew | qrck: you've been slienced for 10 minutes, please keep it strictly on topic in the future |
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| 02:57.25 | cableroy | any help please? its a server in production that i need to get up asap :) |
| 02:59.05 | abrotman | cableroy: why dont' you install the package version that's supposed to be therE ? |
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| 02:59.26 | cableroy | abrotman, because i only get it in read only |
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| 03:00.07 | cableroy | but i can mount it in xen dom0 and copy over |
| 03:00.10 | cableroy | or rather |
| 03:00.16 | cableroy | hm i'll try to chroot it |
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| 03:02.27 | daeos | abrotman: would a petition be more effective than a poll? |
| 03:02.36 | abrotman | neither would work .. and that' fine |
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| 03:02.37 | abrotman | that' |
| 03:02.41 | abrotman | that's .. damn it |
| 03:02.43 | isleshocky77 | Is anyone around who can help me with this error: http://hashbin.com/713.html |
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| 03:03.50 | xerophyte | when gnu screen does not respond which keys get it .. i know some key combination does get the screen back ? |
| 03:04.22 | daeos | stew: abrotman should be an op, as he's almost always here, and very good at judgement |
| 03:04.32 | abrotman | xerophyte: did you possibly hit ctrl-s ? |
| 03:04.39 | abrotman | daeos: that won't help either :) |
| 03:04.55 | daeos | abrotman: oh, you've been told no before? shame |
| 03:04.56 | xerophyte | abrotman, i am not sure but i close the terminal :( |
| 03:05.00 | abrotman | daeos: the decisions are made by people far smarter than you or me :) |
| 03:05.19 | abrotman | daeos: i've never been told no .. i've never asked .. it's never been offered |
| 03:05.27 | daeos | abrotman: ah i see |
| 03:05.52 | cableroy | i chroot'ed it and apt-get upgraded e2fsck-static i get the same error, trying to upgradde the e2fsprogs the system wants to remove and install ALOT of packages |
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| 03:07.41 | bdheeman | isleshocky77: try again 'sudo apt-get install coreutils'; note the sudo |
| 03:07.56 | isleshocky77 | Even while signed in as root? |
| 03:07.59 | isleshocky77 | bdheeman: |
| 03:08.09 | stew | isleshocky77: is / mounted readonly? |
| 03:08.15 | cableroy | how come if i mount a system, and do a cp /sbin/fsck from a newer debian install to a older one i get error no such file or dir? |
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| 03:08.54 | stew | cableroy: i'd guess beause its compiled against some library that doesn't exist on the older install |
| 03:09.00 | isleshocky77 | stew: fstab : /dev/sda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 03:09.04 | isleshocky77 | so I don't think so. |
| 03:09.11 | stew | isleshocky77: what does "mount" say about it? |
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| 03:09.31 | stew | cableroy: show us the output of "apt-cache policy e2fsprogs" |
| 03:09.36 | isleshocky77 | /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 03:09.42 | bdheeman | isleshocky77: may be, check with 'mount' and correct with mount -o remount -w / |
| 03:09.49 | cableroy | ah thats true, but is fsck and fsck.ext3 same program? cause i downloaded e2fsprogs source and compiled it, but only got fsck |
| 03:10.24 | isleshocky77 | bdheeman: same error. |
| 03:10.37 | cableroy | stew, are you in #flood? there a a couple of lines.. |
| 03:10.51 | stew | cableroy: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 03:11.50 | stew | isleshocky77: what does "lsattr /bin/mkdir" return? all ---------- or is there something other than -'s |
| 03:12.01 | cableroy | stew, http://pastebin.ca/587818 |
| 03:12.23 | isleshocky77 | su--ia----------- /bin/mkdir |
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| 03:12.43 | Anthro | What packages contain the GL and GLUT man pages? I tried apt-cache search glut doc and found glut-doc... which doesn't have it and doesn't have any useful dependencies or suggestions. |
| 03:12.45 | stew | cableroy: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 03:12.47 | isleshocky77 | stew: su--ia----------- /bin/mkdir |
| 03:13.03 | stew | isleshocky77: thats is why. why did you make /bin/mkdir immutable? |
| 03:13.04 | abrotman | eh .. |
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| 03:13.21 | abrotman | stew: someone else in here the other day had the same issue .. |
| 03:13.22 | stew | isleshocky77: or who did? are other files in /bin, /usr/bin, /sbin, /usr/sbin immutable? |
| 03:13.35 | abrotman | i think on .. friday |
| 03:13.50 | cableroy | stew, theres got to be another way, i know i did it once, i don't want to distupgrade that server |
| 03:13.52 | stew | isleshocky77: often when people find this, its because some hacker did it to make it harder to remove their rootkit |
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| 03:13.56 | isleshocky77 | I don't know, how would I check, and what does that mean? |
| 03:14.06 | stew | cableroy: what are you trying to do? |
| 03:14.10 | isleshocky77 | hmm.. interesting, not good, but interesting. |
| 03:14.17 | Obligatory | Lo'... |
| 03:14.51 | isleshocky77 | Everything in /bin is su--is------------------- |
| 03:15.05 | stew | isleshocky77: man chattr |
| 03:15.24 | cableroy | stew, i got this old server in a location, i'm moving location to a xen box, the xen box is never, with never version of ext3, so when booting this old one up the ext3 got unsupported features.. |
| 03:15.33 | stew | isleshocky77: you might consider checking debsums |
| 03:15.54 | Obligatory | Anybody up for Sound card/mixer question? |
| 03:16.05 | isleshocky77 | stew: Thanks for the heads-up so far, any tutorials or how-to's on doing this? Or is it simple and could you explain? |
| 03:16.29 | nvz | well I'm gonna setup a webserver tomorrow. The people are used to using ftp would going through the trouble of tunneling say samba through a vpn be worth it for security sake? These people are probably all going to be using windows and stupid WYSIWYG web design tools for the most part that automatically publish to the site, I figure they could be configured to publish to a mounted network drive just the same but not so sure they'd handle sftp |
| 03:16.31 | _RedShift_ | Anyone have any experience with any of the backup solutions in the apt tree? I'm looking for something I can use to backup all of my client systems' files to a central server without interaction. |
| 03:17.11 | cableroy | never=newer |
| 03:17.31 | isleshocky77 | stew: I did a lsattr on / and all the folders show up fine, except bin which is su--ia-------- |
| 03:17.32 | cableroy | _RedShift_, check out bacula? |
| 03:17.35 | stew | cableroy: why not upgrade the old box to stable? |
| 03:17.42 | _RedShift_ | cableroy, ever use it? |
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| 03:17.51 | cableroy | _RedShift_, running 25 clients on it... |
| 03:17.59 | _RedShift_ | cableroy, run good? |
| 03:18.20 | stew | isleshocky77: you won't be able to install new packages if everything is chattr +i since i is immutable. its not normal to have any of those attributes set, you should probably unset them. |
| 03:18.36 | CompWizrd | _RedShift_: i use backuppc for backing up workstations and servers, works quite nice, you can use it for both windows and linux |
| 03:18.38 | cableroy | stew, 1. i don't got the time/time to fix it if there something special with it, i'm not the one who installed that box.. |
| 03:18.51 | stew | isleshocky77: debsums is a package that would let you check to see if some hacker replaced some of your binaries without being smart enough to cover his tracks by also replacing the md5s |
| 03:18.53 | CompWizrd | i'm using it for about 140 systems |
| 03:18.55 | cableroy | _RedShift_, else i wouln't recommend it :) |
| 03:19.13 | stew | cableroy: so if you don't want to fix it, then what are we talking about? |
| 03:19.25 | cableroy | bacula supports also windows/linux/*BSD |
| 03:19.41 | cableroy | stew, i just need to get in a newer version of fsck so it boots |
| 03:19.59 | isleshocky77 | stew: so I should be doing `chattr -R -ia /bin`, correct? Then installing debsum to check to see if those file match there md5's? |
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| 03:20.45 | stew | cableroy: you would do that by upgrading to sarge aka oldstable. your running a system that is older than the current 'oldstable' version, and is no longer supported |
| 03:20.55 | stew | cableroy: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 03:22.20 | cableroy | ok stew trying that i get errors i'll paste |
| 03:23.06 | stew | cableroy: you should make sure you have "sarge" or "oldstable" in your sources.list, not stable nor testing nor etch nor lenny.. |
| 03:23.11 | ampex | I am doing backups by LVM snapshot and notice "ext3_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode xxxxxxx" entries in my kernel log after mounting the snapshots. If I unmount the volume I'm snapshotting and run fsck I see no errors. Is this normal behavior? |
| 03:23.24 | stew | isleshocky77: yes, something along those lines |
| 03:23.24 | qrck | {fit} |
| 03:23.29 | qrck | {[.]} |
| 03:23.33 | stew | qrck: do you have a debian related question? |
| 03:23.36 | cableroy | stew, ok, what should i choose? sarge or oldstable? |
| 03:23.45 | stew | cableroy: sarge |
| 03:23.48 | qrck | yeah i lost my fapping manual |
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| 03:23.58 | isleshocky77 | stew: What is the a attribute since I'm guessing i is immutable |
| 03:23.58 | qrck | where do i get the other one ? |
| 03:24.09 | stew | isleshocky77: man chattr |
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| 03:24.26 | stew | cableroy: what is fapping? |
| 03:24.32 | stew | cableroy: not you |
| 03:24.35 | stew | qrck: what is fapping? |
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| 03:24.51 | qrck | good question |
| 03:25.03 | cast | ...you don't know what fapping is? |
| 03:25.09 | cableroy | stew, how safe is the upgrade? :s |
| 03:25.16 | qrck | lol |
| 03:25.41 | stew | qrck: how is your question related to debian. what manual are you looking for? |
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| 03:26.15 | daeos | i think 'fap' relates to sat internet |
| 03:26.19 | stew | cableroy: it should be safe |
| 03:26.30 | cableroy | 322 packages upgraded, 59 newly installed, 7 to remove and 0 not upgraded. hahaa |
| 03:26.32 | Yea10354 | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org main etch |
| 03:26.35 | Yea10354 | is that right ? |
| 03:26.41 | Yea10354 | is that the right formatting ? |
| 03:27.20 | stew | Yea10354: no, man sources.list ; /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 03:27.29 | _RedShift_ | cableroy, bacula requires kde? |
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| 03:27.29 | stew | Yea10354: the "deb" part is correct, the rest are all incorrect |
| 03:27.44 | cableroy | _RedShift_, no, it has a bacula console also |
| 03:27.59 | Yea10354 | stew: whats incorrect ? |
| 03:28.34 | stew | Yea10354: "http://ftp.us.debian.org" should be "http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian" there is no release of debian named "main" (there is one named etch). if there was one named "main" it wouldn't have a section named "etch" |
| 03:28.39 | cableroy | stew, is this breaks i'll find a rope, this server is web,mail,webmail,ftp for costumers heh |
| 03:29.07 | stew | cableroy: then it is unsafe to not upgrade it, since its no longer getting security updates |
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| 03:29.31 | Yea10354 | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main |
| 03:29.34 | Yea10354 | is this correct ? |
| 03:29.40 | stew | cableroy: and you should consider upgrading it to etch sometime soon, as security updates for sarge will be stopped at some point soon |
| 03:29.47 | stew | Yea10354: yes |
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| 03:30.45 | cableroy | ya, if this goes ok i'll upgrade it, but i just need to move location, when that is done i got xen servers for patching/upgrading |
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| 03:32.16 | Yea10354 | if i install make essentials |
| 03:32.22 | Yea10354 | is it easy to uninstall them ? |
| 03:32.39 | Yea10354 | also is it easy to make a debian package ? |
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| 03:32.56 | Yea10354 | so i could easily un install and install a new one if i need too |
| 03:32.59 | cableroy | the shitty thing here is that the old admin that their own way of doing things if it didn't work the debian way, it so its easy to break systems with upgrade |
| 03:34.13 | stew | Yea10354: if you use "aptitude install build-essentials" to install them "aptitude remove build-essentials" will also remove them |
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| 03:34.17 | stew | Yea10354: /msg dpkg mg |
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| 03:35.23 | atula | hey all. I can't seem to install wireless-tools in etch. is that something new? |
| 03:35.50 | stew | !info wireless-tools etch |
| 03:35.52 | wols | !info build-essentials etch |
| 03:35.55 | dpkg | wireless-tools: (Tools for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions), section net, is extra. Version: 28-1 (etch), Packaged size: 104 kB, Installed size: 256 kB |
| 03:36.06 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.14 | ampex | does anyone know if etch has a module for the attansic L1 ethernet device? |
| 03:36.34 | stew | Yea10354: oh, that should be build-essential, not build-essentials |
| 03:36.52 | cableroy | stew, no errors while dist-upgrading, now its time for reboot to see if that fixed my fsck problem :D |
| 03:37.04 | atula | !info wireless-tools |
| 03:37.09 | dpkg | wireless-tools: (Tools for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions), section net, is extra. Version: 29~pre21-2 (sid), Packaged size: 108 kB, Installed size: 260 kB |
| 03:37.13 | Azar | stew, wols, anything special about tarzeau being away from here for the past 2 days? |
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| 03:38.38 | atula | !info wireless-tools |
| 03:38.42 | dpkg | wireless-tools: (Tools for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions), section net, is extra. Version: 29~pre21-2 (sid), Packaged size: 108 kB, Installed size: 260 kB |
| 03:39.14 | atula | okay. that doesnt say anything... aptitude install wireless-tools aint working... what's going on? |
| 03:39.30 | cableroy | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 home tty1 |
| 03:39.30 | cableroy | home login: |
| 03:39.34 | cableroy | stew, thank you :) |
| 03:40.04 | stew | cableroy: welcome to 2005 |
| 03:40.35 | cableroy | hehe, not my fault there where lazy admins here :) |
| 03:41.35 | cableroy | home:~# mount /home |
| 03:41.35 | cableroy | mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext3' |
| 03:41.35 | cableroy | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.36 | cableroy | doh :p |
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| 03:41.47 | Azar | atula: maybe you already have them installed, if not apt-cache search wireless-tools |
| 03:41.51 | stew | cableroy: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 03:42.11 | cableroy | 2.6.16.33-xen :) |
| 03:42.22 | Azar | uh oh etch runs on 2.6.18 |
| 03:43.14 | stew | cableroy: then you'll need to recompile that kernel with ext3 support |
| 03:43.28 | stew | cableroy: or compile an ext3 module for that kernel |
| 03:43.34 | atula | Azar, it's true... I already have it :( now... is wlist not around anymore? |
| 03:43.43 | atula | no worries... I checked this time |
| 03:43.44 | Azar | cableroy: you obviously have not read the release notes to prepare for the upgrade... you just upgraded.. :) http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 03:44.00 | stew | Azar: he's not trying to upgrade to stable right now |
| 03:44.07 | stew | Azar: you mean the sarge release notes? |
| 03:44.26 | stew | Azar: (he just upgraded to sarge a few moments ago) |
| 03:44.28 | Azar | ah, my bad stew.. well I don't know where is he upgrading.... |
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| 03:44.50 | Azar | stew: ah... and he had a custom kernel on it.. |
| 03:45.12 | Azar | atula: sorry for asking, what Debian version? Etch? 2.6.18 kernel? |
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| 03:46.13 | atula | Azar, oh sorry... thought I mentioned it earlier.. .Etch |
| 03:46.53 | atula | Azar, I "used to" know how to wing it in sarge... but after a while doing fedora... I am new again. :D Trying to wing it with the wireless again |
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| 03:47.02 | Azar | atula: I don't use wireless... but so far I know Etch handles wireless |
| 03:47.53 | Azar | etch brought lots of changes ... is lot different than sarge, try reading the release notes to see what changed or debian reference |
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| 03:48.11 | atula | Azar, yeah. I believe Etch has native wireless stuff.. which is cool... since I dont have to do ndiswrapper... but I'm pretty much at a lost since I can't do wlist.. yadda yadda |
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| 03:49.56 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html |
| 03:51.04 | somian | !info ifplugd etch |
| 03:51.06 | dpkg | ifplugd: (A configuration daemon for ethernet devices), section net, is optional. Version: 0.28-2.3 (etch), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 192 kB |
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| 03:51.37 | somian | p'raps you want ifplugd, atula |
| 03:51.43 | Azar | atula: you are on a laptop ? |
| 03:52.32 | mue_ | i can boot from floppydrive, but etch does not seem to recognize it, dmesg shows nothing about floppy /dev/fdx, any idea, hint? |
| 03:52.45 | Azar | wireless mouse? wireless printer? wireless connection? |
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| 03:53.17 | Azar | why fdx? |
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| 03:53.39 | Azar | isn't that fd0 ? |
| 03:54.16 | Obligatory | Is there a command to show a list of all groups on the system? |
| 03:54.20 | mue_ | yep, fd0 |
| 03:54.31 | mue_ | but there is no /dev/fd0 |
| 03:54.59 | mue_ | i mean, for some reason (bug) it could have been even fd1 |
| 03:55.18 | Azar | can't you add it? |
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| 03:55.30 | Azar | /dev/fd0 /floppy auto user,noauto 0 0 |
| 03:55.36 | mue_ | mom |
| 03:55.46 | mue_ | i show, what's in my /etc/fstab |
| 03:56.14 | mue_ | /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 03:57.44 | klobster | can I do a bind in fstab?" |
| 03:57.44 | Azar | maybe the format is not readable |
| 03:57.44 | Azar | the disc format |
| 03:57.44 | mue_ | hmm, i don't need to read |
| 03:57.44 | Azar | uh noauto.. |
| 03:57.49 | mue_ | cause mtools don't require a mount |
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| 04:00.48 | Obligatory | Rerun question; anybody know if there's a command to show a list of all groups on the system? |
| 04:01.23 | mue_ | Azar: A collection of utilities to access MS-DOS disks from Unix without mounting them. Supports Win'95 style long file names, OS/2 Xdf disks and 2m disks. |
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| 04:03.17 | somian | Do you have a device file /floppy , mue_ ? |
| 04:03.56 | Azar | mue_: ahhhhh ok... I am totally out of that topic |
| 04:03.58 | dawn`chorus | Obligatory, you could do 'groups root user1 user2' to see what groups your users are in, but I don't know of a command that tells you of all existing groups irrespective of actual users. |
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| 04:04.24 | Azar | Obligatory: I have no idea what you mean |
| 04:04.34 | Azar | what groups? waht system? |
| 04:05.09 | Azar | as root type : groups |
| 04:05.17 | dawn`chorus | A group is a set of user accounts treated as a single entity. :) |
| 04:05.26 | somian | Obligatory: just cat /etc/group eh! |
| 04:05.30 | Azar | dawn`chorus: thanks, I just found my penny |
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| 04:06.39 | dav | I apt-get updated my testing, rebooted, and now my mouse no longer works.. Nothing seems wrong in any log I've been looking @. But the mouse just doesn't work :( Any insights? |
| 04:06.41 | Obligatory | somian, thank you!!! |
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| 04:07.12 | westyvw | Usb camera works when attached before boot, device does not work when attached after boot. KDE sees device, ERRORS: with: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb |
| 04:07.22 | Azar | dav: you could just reconfigure xserver |
| 04:07.28 | Azar | ... and report the bug |
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| 04:07.51 | dav | Azar: i tried that. |
| 04:07.56 | dav | Azar: doesn't work |
| 04:08.19 | Obligatory | dawn`chorus, Azar, tnx anyway tho. |
| 04:08.21 | daeos | i guess the attack of the trolls is over |
| 04:08.28 | Azar | dav so which packages were updated/upgraded? |
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| 04:08.31 | dawn`chorus | Obligatory, we're all learning, brotha. |
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| 04:08.38 | Miles_Prower | Attempting to install k3b on debian stable is failing. |
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| 04:08.56 | somian | daeos: maybe so, but now Smaug is here ;-( |
| 04:09.07 | Azar | Miles_Prower: you install k3b from Debian repositories? |
| 04:09.35 | pinger | ap-get install k3b what says? Hi people |
| 04:09.41 | somian | Hi pinger |
| 04:09.45 | Miles_Prower | genisoimage requires a newer version of libc6. |
| 04:09.49 | Azar | aptitude install k3b |
| 04:10.06 | mue_ | Azar: np |
| 04:10.07 | somian | Miles_Prower: pretty screwed then, faik |
| 04:10.12 | Guerin | Miles_Prower: it sound slike you're mixing branches |
| 04:10.13 | somian | afaik* |
| 04:10.16 | Miles_Prower | requires 2.4-1 and 2.3.6 is to be installed. |
| 04:10.23 | Guerin | becaus estable should Just Work |
| 04:10.24 | Miles_Prower | as 2.3 is the one for stable |
| 04:10.29 | dav | update on the mouse issue: it can click, but it can't move :( |
| 04:10.47 | Azar | Miles_Prower: stick with the package ment for stable |
| 04:10.48 | mue_ | Azar: beside mtools, a simple floppydrive should be the last problem, as is it never was, and we both know why |
| 04:11.00 | Miles_Prower | Azar: I haven't changed it. |
| 04:11.04 | mue_ | so, this is very strange, in my opinion |
| 04:11.05 | Azar | hello mister Guerin |
| 04:11.09 | dav | (and same with gpm) |
| 04:11.10 | Guerin | herro |
| 04:11.12 | Miles_Prower | Azar: AKA, how to i change to the proper package. |
| 04:11.38 | Azar | Miles_Prower: you are confusing me: you have k3b already installed right? and you did... ? ..what for? |
| 04:11.45 | somian | Sounds like you have been mixing unstable or testing with stable, Miles_Prower ? |
| 04:11.54 | Miles_Prower | I do not have k3b installed, and have stayed on stable. |
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| 04:12.03 | Miles_Prower | I am attempting to install it for the first time. |
| 04:12.16 | Azar | Miles_Prower: apt-cache search k3b. If you see it: aptitude install k3b |
| 04:12.26 | somian | This may be a package bug then, Miles_Prower |
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| 04:12.29 | Azar | use aptitude |
| 04:12.40 | Miles_Prower | it found a solution |
| 04:12.55 | Azar | yah cuz aptitude fixes things |
| 04:12.57 | kairu0 | i have a sparc64 server that just crashed and i'm trying to recover its data from the IDE hard disk. how can i do this on x86 debian? |
| 04:13.04 | Miles_Prower | It's AMD64 btw |
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| 04:13.10 | Miles_Prower | maybe it's broke only on that. |
| 04:13.16 | pinger | sorry Azar, what's the difference? i ever use apt |
| 04:13.21 | daeos | is there a way to change how ftpd assigns permissions upon an upload of a file? |
| 04:13.22 | Azar | ew not many apps are 64b ready |
| 04:13.36 | somian | kairu0: ddrescue |
| 04:13.45 | Miles_Prower | supposedly with linux that won't matter, being that there are wrappers. XD |
| 04:13.48 | Miles_Prower | and recompilation/etc |
| 04:13.53 | Azar | pinger: aptitude also fixes dependencies, yeah brings in more packages but is doing a cleanup |
| 04:13.55 | daeos | im sorry, vsftpd |
| 04:14.48 | Miles_Prower | It also just installed HAL. should I reboot after that, I've heard it's reccomended. |
| 04:14.48 | pinger | thanks Azar |
| 04:14.48 | Miles_Prower | and DBUS just got installed. |
| 04:14.48 | kairu0 | somian, is it possible to normally mount the partition somehow? |
| 04:14.48 | Azar | pinger: aptitude also is best when doing kernel upgrades, dist-upgrades |
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| 04:15.03 | daeos | nm, i found it i thik |
| 04:15.15 | metbsd | what's diff between apt-get dist-upgrade and aptitude distupgrade |
| 04:15.48 | cast | the former you shouldn't use and the later you should? :) |
| 04:15.53 | Azar | metbsd: all release notes recommend you use aptitude when dist-upgrading, it looks like aptitude ensures a stable upgrade |
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| 04:16.32 | Azar | metbsd: and once you start using aptitude better stick with it.... mixing apt-get with aptitude is confusing one eachother |
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| 04:16.34 | somian | kairu0: I've no idea. what filesystems are on that disk's partitions? |
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| 04:17.14 | pinger | somian, try with parted |
| 04:17.27 | metbsd | why? apt-get and aptitude will conflict each other? |
| 04:17.33 | somian | pinger: read more context before answering. |
| 04:17.37 | Azar | metbsd: if you got time and want to learn more fun things with aptitude: read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 04:17.48 | pinger | :p |
| 04:17.50 | somian | signal++/noise-- |
| 04:17.56 | kairu0 | somian, my / partition is ext3, and thats what i want to recover |
| 04:18.12 | Azar | metbsd: in some cases, what you install with apt-get, cant be removed with aptitude since aptitude never "did it". And viceversa |
| 04:18.33 | somian | kairu0: then the answer is simple and plain, what do you need to know? how to attach an ide hdd physically? |
| 04:18.41 | nvz | somian: division by zero error encountered at signal++/noise-- |
| 04:19.11 | pinger | i must go, see u guys |
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| 04:19.19 | kairu0 | somian, its connected already. its just that if i fdisk it, i only see /dev/hdc1, although there should be hdc1,2,3, and 4 |
| 04:19.50 | somian | kairu0: that sounds very bad. i wish you luck. |
| 04:20.00 | kairu0 | somian, lol thanks |
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| 04:20.58 | Azar | metbsd: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
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| 04:22.55 | metbsd | so how do i use aptitude to fix depencies problem |
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| 04:24.35 | somian | I seem to not have hotplug installed on my laptop ... is that still the pkg I want (etch)? It haven't been superceded by something better? |
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| 04:26.33 | hark | !hotplug |
| 04:26.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, hotplug is a auto detect that are pluged into a running system (USB / IDE) http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ , or see discover, or now replaced by udev in etch+ |
| 04:26.58 | somian | udev eh |
| 04:27.28 | hark | yup |
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| 04:28.15 | somian | When I plugged my ZyXEL cardbus card in just now, nothing happened ;-). I'd like something fun to happen. |
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| 04:29.57 | Guerin | !nopony somian |
| 04:29.57 | dpkg | somian: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 04:30.09 | Azar | hehe |
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| 04:32.43 | metbsd | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 04:32.43 | metbsd | Ack! Something bad happened while installing packages. |
| 04:32.49 | metbsd | how do i fix this problem |
| 04:33.09 | somian | Oh, cool. Seems like I did not have the card really seated before. |
| 04:33.27 | somian | /usr/sbin/udevmonitor is our Friend. |
| 04:34.46 | Guerin | metbsd: that is not an error |
| 04:34.56 | metbsd | what is that |
| 04:35.16 | nanotube | very strange problem - fresh install of etch + mysql server and my /var/log/daemon* is full of dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0, no idea what can be the reason, I got all interface as a static IP address |
| 04:35.21 | metbsd | dpkg: error processing clamav-base (--configure): |
| 04:35.21 | metbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.50 | Guerin | dpkg, E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code $1 is <reply> That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 04:35.50 | dpkg | Guerin: that's too long |
| 04:35.54 | Guerin | damn you |
| 04:36.04 | Guerin | dpkg, E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg $1 is <reply> That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 04:36.05 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 04:36.24 | somian | .oO(who's Guerin?) |
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| 04:36.29 | Guerin | dpkg, dpkg: error processing $1 is <reply> That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 04:36.30 | dpkg | Guerin: what are you talking about? |
| 04:36.35 | Guerin | dpkg, error processing $1 is <reply> That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 04:36.35 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 04:36.38 | Guerin | there |
| 04:36.44 | Azar | Guerin is one of our gurus |
| 04:36.46 | metbsd | what's the pastebin site? |
| 04:36.49 | Guerin | i'm not a guru |
| 04:36.55 | Azar | ok bubu |
| 04:36.56 | Guerin | i don't live in an amiga |
| 04:36.59 | Azar | !paster |
| 04:36.59 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 04:37.04 | somian | s/gurus/nutjob cranks/, more like |
| 04:37.18 | Guerin | somian: that's probably more accurate |
| 04:37.35 | gordboy | do i detect a note of disdain ? |
| 04:37.55 | Azar | use a disdain detector tool |
| 04:37.59 | Guerin | gordboy: nevar! |
| 04:39.42 | Guerin | metbsd: /topic |
| 04:40.00 | Guerin | woah, laggage |
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| 04:41.35 | metbsd | http://paste.debian.net/31291 |
| 04:41.36 | chapium | why cant azar wear shoes |
| 04:41.54 | somian | I'll go see "Hamlet" if I want to hear about dis Dane |
| 04:43.17 | metbsd | http://paste.debian.net/31291 i can't install or upgrade anything |
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| 04:45.05 | atula | !info networkmanager |
| 04:45.23 | Guerin | !error 139 |
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| 04:45.25 | atula | how do I get the gnome network manger? |
| 04:45.34 | Guerin | !exit status 139 |
| 04:45.36 | Guerin | grrr |
| 04:45.37 | Azar | metbsd: what was the original command that triggered all that? |
| 04:45.48 | dragonfly | I have 4 harddrives that I want to use in a Raid0+1 configuration...if I set this in the 'bios' the etch installer still sees them as seperate drives...some googling has caused me to not set raid in the bios but I can't seem to nest the raid levels |
| 04:45.51 | Guerin | I seem to remember that 138 = segfault (128+11) |
| 04:46.02 | Azar | chapium: because my feet are still swollen after last month's surgery |
| 04:46.14 | metbsd | Azar, aptitude remove nfs-common |
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| 04:46.31 | chapium | Azar, what kind? |
| 04:46.36 | Azar | metbsd: did you installed that package with "aptitude" or with "apt-get" ? |
| 04:46.57 | Azar | chapium: removed ugly big bunions on both feet |
| 04:46.58 | metbsd | i'm not sure |
| 04:46.59 | Guerin | metbsd: try removing clamav-base, clamav-daemon and nfs-common together |
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| 04:47.09 | xpurple | I'm having trouble going from sarge to etch. It gets stuck on x11-common. It says it's trying to overwrite /usr/X11R6/bin which is also in package xserver-common-v3. What can I do? |
| 04:47.11 | metbsd | aptitude remove pkg1 pkg2 pkg3? |
| 04:47.15 | Azar | metbsd: ok try apt-get remove <package> see whats gona do |
| 04:47.36 | Azar | I bet you installed with apt-get and aptitude has no idea.. |
| 04:47.56 | xpurple | I don't think I've ever used aptitude. |
| 04:48.11 | Azar | xpurple: well it's time to start... |
| 04:48.17 | xpurple | heh |
| 04:48.27 | nvz | Guerin: and what the hell does the 128 mean? |
| 04:48.40 | Azar | ah ah, mister nvz, hi :) |
| 04:48.48 | somian | Anyone got any idea what "sit0" is -- listed by iwconfig but does not appear in output from ifconfig |
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| 04:49.04 | Guerin | nvz: an arbitrary number |
| 04:49.11 | nvz | Azar: na I'm low tonight. |
| 04:49.38 | Azar | :) |
| 04:49.44 | nvz | Guerin: heh. well I could say 151 is 11 then with an arbitrary number of 140 |
| 04:49.56 | Azar | metbsd: apt-get remove package1 package2... |
| 04:49.59 | somian | xpurple: I think I encountered that glitch too |
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| 04:50.19 | xpurple | somian: How did you get around it? |
| 04:50.19 | metbsd | but i want to keep configuration file |
| 04:50.28 | somian | I don't remember :-( |
| 04:50.28 | Guerin | nvz: yes, but I seem to recall error codes 1-128 are reserved for the dev to define, then 129+ are the SIG values |
| 04:50.40 | xpurple | heh |
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| 04:50.42 | xpurple | Trying aptitude. |
| 04:50.44 | zinx | 128 is the 7th bit. |
| 04:50.51 | Guerin | quite |
| 04:50.59 | xpurple | I did three upgrades with no issues and then this one. |
| 04:51.01 | somian | I think I just did total removal of x11-common first, maybe ... |
| 04:51.17 | nvz | ah I see |
| 04:51.26 | Azar | metbsd: well aptitude did not worked, obviously is telling you: wtf are you talking about? I never installed such packages |
| 04:51.59 | somian | No idea about "sit0", eh folks? |
| 04:52.57 | somian | nvz: There is no chance, coincidence or accident / in a universe rules by law and divine order (Funkadelic) ;) |
| 04:53.09 | somian | s/rules/ruled/ |
| 04:53.15 | Azar | !beer myself |
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| 04:53.52 | gahan | how do i print a changelog of a package before upgrading to it? |
| 04:54.18 | Guerin | gahan: install apt-listchanges |
| 04:54.20 | chapium | somian, sit0 is for ipv4 and ipv6 compatibility |
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| 04:54.24 | nvz | somian: and tihs is shit spelled backwards while we're being incredibly randomly psuedosophical |
| 04:54.27 | chapium | somian, google it |
| 04:54.30 | gahan | thx |
| 04:54.30 | chapium | :p |
| 04:54.59 | JordiGH | When setting up the LUKS password for encryption at start time, is it possible to change this password later? If so, how? |
| 04:55.18 | JordiGH | Er, not at start time, but at install time. |
| 04:55.26 | somian | "IPv6-in-IPv4 tunnel." |
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| 04:56.17 | somian | "00:56 somian crouches low and begins a full speed run at Google" |
| 04:56.17 | chapium | oh oogly googly! |
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| 04:57.28 | JordiGH | Hm. I'm also going to use a pre-release etch disc, released about two weeks prior to etch release. I do hope I can easily update the resulting install to etch after this... |
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| 04:58.31 | Azar | good bathroom read: http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/06/22/tech-microsoft-linux.html?ref=rss#skip300x250 GPL mis-represented |
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| 05:01.36 | Azar | hehehe nice title: "Saturday June 24, Linux Users Eat More Babies" |
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| 05:02.02 | somian | Good for Mark Shuttleworth |
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| 05:02.52 | streuner | somian: /topic |
| 05:03.18 | JordiGH | *sigh* My pothead friends have requested that I set their laptop's hostname to "doobian". |
| 05:03.38 | somian | streuner: you need the topic to be changed ... ?? ... I am not a chanop, I cannot do that. |
| 05:03.57 | streuner | just read the topic |
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| 05:04.19 | somian | streuner: Talk to Azar, he can tell you who the chanops are I think. |
| 05:04.26 | cast | JordiGH: lmao |
| 05:04.30 | Azar | :) |
| 05:04.34 | Azar | hi mister streuner |
| 05:04.41 | streuner | hi Azar |
| 05:04.57 | Azar | somian: streuner knows 10 more than I know |
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| 05:05.01 | streuner | somian: UBUNTU is OT! |
| 05:05.20 | Azar | streuner: it was my fault... I posted an article... is still sunday? |
| 05:05.36 | Azar | :) I am sorry |
| 05:05.36 | somian | streuner: also, you might want to try lessening your damage to the channel signal-to-noise ratio by reading for context before making unwanted comments on recent sends. it only takes a minute. |
| 05:05.36 | streuner | permanent sunday ;-) |
| 05:05.36 | cast | Azar! our daily link to /.? |
| 05:05.51 | Azar | cast: it is on /. ? |
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| 05:06.10 | Azar | aghhhhh I need my daily wtf! |
| 05:06.13 | Azar | where is abrotman.. |
| 05:06.35 | streuner | !seen abrotman |
| 05:06.36 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1h 53m ago, saying: 'i think on .. friday'. |
| 05:06.37 | concept10 | lurking in #ubuntu |
| 05:06.48 | somian | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.49 | Azar | hehe |
| 05:07.13 | streuner | !blairsmite somian |
| 05:07.14 | Azar | somian: you are not doing good... you could allways say: is Azar's fault... don't blame it on streuner |
| 05:07.34 | streuner | yes, just blame Azar :-) |
| 05:07.47 | Azar | I started it and I am sorry.. |
| 05:07.57 | somian | I hope the Welsh attack, they haven't had a good blowout with the English in about 1000 years. |
| 05:08.09 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 05:08.27 | lkthomas | hey guys |
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| 05:08.47 | lkthomas | other than using "delete" key on keyboard to remove text on vi, is there have other key that I could use ? |
| 05:08.54 | cast | x |
| 05:08.55 | cast | X |
| 05:09.05 | JordiGH | Isn't there a #vi or a #vim? |
| 05:09.30 | lkthomas | thanks |
| 05:09.33 | lkthomas | x work |
| 05:09.40 | streuner | Channel Nutzer Thema |
| 05:09.40 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.40 | streuner | * End of /LIST |
| 05:09.50 | cast | run vimtutor |
| 05:10.13 | JordiGH | No, run the Emacs tutorial instead before you're hopelessly corrupted. |
| 05:10.17 | streuner | JordiGH: i hope, that answered you question ;-) |
| 05:10.30 | somian | Azar: you and I aren't even close to being on the same frequency. You're what, 25, about? I'm 46 and I don't care who likes me or doesn't like me on irc. What I do care about is personal integrity and objecting to knee-jerk blind recitation of "rules" (where usually the rule is being cited as a way to silence someone who's opin you disagree with) and the Balkanization of different FOSS communities by small-minded dogmatists li |
| 05:10.30 | somian | ke streuner. |
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| 05:10.55 | JordiGH | wtf |
| 05:11.01 | JordiGH | Guys, can you take this outside? |
| 05:11.19 | somian | So I'll continue to make the point where I think it's needed, thanks. I don't need to hide behind you and what you did that may have been "wrong". |
| 05:11.30 | xpurple | How do I get apt-get or aptitude to stop trying to install a package? |
| 05:11.32 | JordiGH | somian, fwiw, I have no reason so far to dislike you. |
| 05:11.39 | cast | !tell xpurple about hold |
| 05:11.43 | JordiGH | xpurple: You can put them on hold. |
| 05:11.47 | somian | JordiGH: nope. fuck off. get a life instead of commenting on stuff other people are doing. |
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| 05:12.07 | JordiGH | somian: Ok, now I have a reason. |
| 05:12.09 | nsx | how can I find older versions of packages in the official tree? |
| 05:12.15 | xpurple | Ahh |
| 05:12.17 | somian | JordiGH: I had one first. |
| 05:12.17 | nsx | debian broke my wine |
| 05:12.29 | streuner | nsx: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 05:12.56 | somian | There's few things more irritating and pointless than finger-wagging at others while showing no hint that even bothered to see the context of what's being said. |
| 05:12.59 | lkthomas | I think I should learn the whole vi |
| 05:13.03 | somian | Utterly counter-productive. |
| 05:13.10 | cast | lkthomas: use vim |
| 05:13.17 | JordiGH | somian: You're noisy. That was a long diatribe you posted up there. And we're offtopic. |
| 05:13.31 | Azar | somian: if you were an adult you would be less irritated over an irc misunderstanding |
| 05:13.36 | lkthomas | cast: not all system got vim installed by default |
| 05:13.38 | somian | JordiGH: yet, I didn't *start* the noise. |
| 05:13.57 | JordiGH | somian: Fix the problem, not the blame. I.e., be silent or be ontopic. |
| 05:14.26 | somian | streuner started the noise by doing exactly what you'r doing. again, why don;t you stop worrying so much about other people's comments and get a real life, JordiGH. |
| 05:14.37 | JordiGH | Meh. |
| 05:14.39 | JordiGH | Ignored. |
| 05:14.40 | Azar | ok let's just stop it, ok? |
| 05:14.55 | somian | Mutual |
| 05:14.58 | mike_ | ok settle ladies |
| 05:15.05 | somian | all over, forever |
| 05:15.29 | somian | I'll never see anything ever again from certain peeps here, so, back to Debian |
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| 05:15.58 | mike_ | hmm alil dummy spitting contest |
| 05:16.08 | somian | cast: I agree. wine is pretty generally broken. |
| 05:16.23 | streuner | (he=somian) |
| 05:16.25 | JordiGH | Is the Debian installer shredding my hard drive? I asked it to use LVM and setup an encrypted partition and it's taking an awfully long time to do something. |
| 05:16.45 | cast | JordiGH: yes. |
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| 05:17.05 | cast | JordiGH: it by default wipes encrypted partitions before setting up luks |
| 05:17.13 | JordiGH | Alright. My pothead friends will appreciate this. One of them liked the idea of having his online illegal drug transactions to China encrypted. |
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| 05:19.17 | JordiGH | well, I guess the legality of his transactions depends on the country. |
| 05:19.36 | JordiGH | And he assured me that some of the drugs actually were legal if purchased in a certain way. And again I'm being offtopic. |
| 05:21.15 | streuner | hm |
| 05:21.17 | Azar | ok for linux beginners cool reference: http://blog.lxpages.com/ultimate_linux.html |
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| 05:21.46 | streuner | Azar: we are all Gurus, exept Guerin ;-) |
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| 05:21.58 | dawn`chorus | Azar, Linux Pocket Guide. super cool. |
| 05:22.45 | Azar | hahaha |
| 05:23.01 | Azar | streuner: this is a sign that Sunday is almost over |
| 05:23.02 | cast | but i don't have a linux pocket |
| 05:23.14 | dawn`chorus | then you're not cool. :D |
| 05:23.24 | Azar | ah cool tip here: rm to alias=rm -i. |
| 05:23.37 | somian | Heh, I've a Linux Linnie button :) |
| 05:23.38 | cast | that is stupid. do not do it |
| 05:23.53 | Azar | cast: why not? |
| 05:24.05 | Azar | tho I rarely rm anything.. |
| 05:24.19 | cast | the reason it is stupid is you become used to 'rm' being 'rm -i', now for your particular account that might be true, but for the rest of the world it isn't |
| 05:24.21 | dawn`chorus | are you sure? |
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| 05:24.47 | Azar | yeah... what about "unrm" ? |
| 05:24.49 | Azar | :) |
| 05:25.01 | smacnay | any word on when texlive will be functional in testing? |
| 05:25.01 | cast | what about it? that old ext2 tool... |
| 05:25.13 | cast | tell me how well that works on XFS :P |
| 05:26.00 | JordiGH | unrm wouldn't work on ext3. |
| 05:26.08 | JordiGH | Or any other journalled FS. |
| 05:26.13 | JordiGH | Btw, what's new in ext4 |
| 05:26.15 | JordiGH | ? |
| 05:26.30 | somian | Anyone remember the name of the atheros module that needs to be loaded to get a atheros wifi chipset up? |
| 05:26.31 | cast | extents, maybe something else |
| 05:26.53 | cableroy | i got a directory with files, is it possible to create a image of that using dd if=/directory of=image.iso? |
| 05:27.17 | somian | cableroy: I think not |
| 05:27.29 | streuner | cableroy: why not just using tar? |
| 05:27.58 | cast | cableroy: or makisofs |
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| 05:28.34 | cast | cableroy: dding a dir doesn't really make sense unless you have some kind of special filesystem that i don't know of |
| 05:28.43 | cableroy | thing is, i use k3b to burn a dvd data cd, adding files goes ok 2.1 gb then it just won't add any more or proceed |
| 05:28.59 | cableroy | and the files i try to add is a rsync of a server |
| 05:29.03 | hark | somian: madwifi, iirc |
| 05:29.04 | Azar | cast: http://sourceforge.net/projects/giis/ |
| 05:29.19 | cast | Azar: what is it? i'm on dialup |
| 05:29.37 | Azar | cast: ree Ext3/Ext2FS Undelete Tool |
| 05:29.41 | streuner | !madwifi |
| 05:29.41 | dpkg | well, madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. |
| 05:29.42 | Azar | *free |
| 05:29.46 | cast | ahh *nods* |
| 05:29.47 | hark | somian: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
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| 05:30.05 | somian | hark: thanks, I'd have thought so too, but now I'm in /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless and that's not there |
| 05:30.20 | somian | hrk: yeah, must not be installed {fingers crossed} |
| 05:30.24 | Azar | cast: is called giis-gET iT i sAY |
| 05:30.31 | hark | indeed |
| 05:30.43 | cast | Azar: but i don't use ext2/3! |
| 05:30.47 | JordiGH | How does undelete on ext3 work? |
| 05:31.08 | Azar | cast: oh well, I do use ext3 |
| 05:31.13 | streuner | the same way, i guess, like any other undelete stuff on *nix |
| 05:31.26 | streuner | it doesn't work very well |
| 05:31.42 | JordiGH | Ok, different question: why does unrm not work at all on ext3 but it does, sorta, on ext2? |
| 05:31.57 | Azar | bah is proprietary license |
| 05:32.15 | JordiGH | Proprietary license but hosted on sourceforge? |
| 05:32.16 | Azar | JordiGH: because was made for ext2.. |
| 05:32.25 | Azar | JordiGH: well.. |
| 05:32.30 | somian | phew, really, all that? module-assistant and so on? ouch |
| 05:32.38 | Azar | License: Other/Proprietary License |
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| 05:33.02 | CaT[tm] | jordi: because ext3 completely wipes out the inodes related to a file so as to make sure it stays deleted in the event of some sort of fs failure |
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| 05:33.39 | Azar | !madwifi-install |
| 05:33.39 | dpkg | hmm... madwifi-install is ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 05:33.44 | JordiGH | somian: There's a madwifi wiki somewhere online for Debian. It's got some commands, you paste them, the wireless works, and you go repent for your sins for putting non-free stuff in your otherwise clean operating system while you curse the wireless manufacturers for driving you to commit such base, unnatural acts. |
| 05:33.59 | jer-flow | how do i setup my laptop to output to the VGA output on my laptop? |
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| 05:35.11 | somian | BQS is a serious malady. |
| 05:35.30 | JordiGH | !bqs |
| 05:35.32 | Azar | somian: that is not very nice of you, we jump and try to reply to your questions.. |
| 05:35.42 | JordiGH | dpkg, bqs is a serious malady |
| 05:35.42 | dpkg | okay, JordiGH |
| 05:35.54 | somian | jer-flow: it often "just happens" if you attach an external monitor to the laptop. |
| 05:36.44 | Azar | ... but you know, we can just add you to /ignore, and it will be a bit more quiet here |
| 05:36.45 | JordiGH | dpkg, bqs is also bot-query syndrome. |
| 05:36.45 | dpkg | okay, JordiGH |
| 05:37.11 | somian | jer-flow: Best advice I can give you is attach the monitor, then (re)start X, then look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log carefully |
| 05:38.10 | JordiGH | Let me try asking again: do I need to pick a good LUKS passphrase at install time, or can I pick something stupid for now and make it good later? |
| 05:38.46 | JordiGH | I can't find something about this in etch's release notes. |
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| 05:39.50 | somian | If so, isn't there a dependency rule that's being violated? |
| 05:40.00 | JordiGH | You people aren't big on installing encrypted partitions, are you? |
| 05:40.55 | Azar | streuner, ever used ngrep? |
| 05:41.02 | streuner | somian: wifi stuff comes often with firmware which isn't free, so its not in Debian. I've no idea about madwifi... |
| 05:41.38 | Azar | JordiGH: what is LUKS? |
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| 05:41.54 | streuner | Azar: nope |
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| 05:42.16 | Azar | ... ok I am gonna install it and give it a try |
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| 05:42.19 | JordiGH | Azar: Linux Unified Key Setup. I don't know much about it except that it's what the etch installer uses to setup encrypted partitions. |
| 05:42.22 | cast | Azar: an enhancement to dm-crypt more or less. |
| 05:42.37 | cast | it allows multiple passwds, one to change passwds |
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| 05:42.46 | JordiGH | ah, so I can change the password later? |
| 05:42.52 | cast | yes. |
| 05:42.52 | Azar | JordiGH: I guess after install you could edit the passwords file |
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| 05:43.07 | cast | the way luks works is it has a master key to the partition, and 8 key slots |
| 05:43.13 | jer-flow | somian: i killed x and still won't show up |
| 05:43.16 | JordiGH | I thought the password itself was used to encrypt the partition. |
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| 05:43.30 | JordiGH | Like... different passwords would result in different ciphertexts. |
| 05:43.38 | cast | when you enter your passwd in the luks install the passwd is hashed/iterated and used to encrypt the master key, which is stored in a keyslot |
| 05:44.01 | cast | so when you change your passwd, you are not changing that master key which is what is used to encrypt the partition contents |
| 05:44.14 | cast | thus no need to reencrypt the entire volume when you change passwords |
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| 05:44.18 | Azar | ah so that one stays.. |
| 05:44.18 | JordiGH | Is the master key randomly generated, then? |
| 05:44.24 | cast | yes, it is |
| 05:44.41 | cast | however pick a good passwd now. write it down or whatever |
| 05:44.43 | JordiGH | I'll make sure to bang buttons and wiggle the mouse while it is. :-) |
| 05:44.45 | cast | then destroy it later |
| 05:45.10 | Azar | write it on a sticker and stick it on the PC.. :) |
| 05:45.11 | JordiGH | cast: The thing is I'm setting this up for someone else. I'd rather they choose the password themselves, but they aren't here. |
| 05:45.27 | jer-flow | ok. i can vga out my desktop on my laptop BUT the second display has the wrong screen res? |
| 05:46.14 | JordiGH | Hm. Now, what's the quickest way to generate 25 random printable ASCII characters... |
| 05:46.26 | centrx | JordiGH, I will do it right now for you |
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| 05:46.58 | centrx | there you go |
| 05:47.07 | somian | jer-flow: no you may need to edit your xorg.conf file, eah. |
| 05:47.51 | JordiGH | centrx: How did you do it? I need to do it myself. :-) |
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| 05:51.05 | somian | Heh, "Run m-a install madwifi-source to install."? really? |
| 05:51.18 | somian | Looked like it already did that. But where are they? |
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| 05:52.06 | somian | Yup, it had already been done. Nice scripting but has flaws. |
| 05:52.14 | cast | JordiGH: maybe you should keep one of the eight passwds...i'm not sure how well stoners and remembering passwords fit together |
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| 05:52.31 | anti-trend | Hello #debian. :) I'm going to seem mildly retarded for asking this, but how does one go about building a kernel with a clean config rather than the last config? |
| 05:52.47 | cast | anti-trend: rm .config i wonder |
| 05:53.19 | anti-trend | cast: Thanks, but not quite. It seems deb likes to pull from someplace else |
| 05:53.45 | somian | cast++ |
| 05:53.58 | samesame | why did u need to build a custom kernel in the first place? |
| 05:53.58 | anti-trend | cast: I delete .config and .config.old, and as soon as I make menuconfig, boom. There's the old config. :( |
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| 05:54.26 | samesame | anti-trend: its something to do with the way *nix works with files |
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| 05:54.54 | anti-trend | samesame: Well, for the standard reasons. Slim it up a bit, a few custom patches, remove some junk I don't use. |
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| 05:56.19 | anti-trend | well, I'm asking in #debian and not #kernel because I've only seen this weirdness on debian. I'm more familiar with RHEL to be honest. |
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| 05:56.20 | redduck666 | anti-trend: if that is your reason, i'm 99% that is not worth your time |
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| 05:56.41 | Azar | anti-trend: http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
| 05:57.16 | anti-trend | I know how to compile a kernel, that's not the problem. I just want to know where deb's pulling the old config from, and how to stop that behavior. |
| 05:57.21 | somian | Ok, now there's "wifi0" and "ath0" and that's pissing me off. |
| 05:57.49 | Azar | anti-trend: though you could just use "apt-cache search linux-image" and pick from the list the kernel you need, then : aptitude install kernel-image-xxx.xxx-xx..... |
| 05:58.10 | redduck666 | somian: grep -r wifi0 /etc/udev |
| 05:58.12 | samesame | Azar: thats what u are meant to do with debian |
| 05:58.42 | Azar | samesame: I assumed that anti-trend is using debian, in fact debian-etch since he never said otherwise |
| 05:58.44 | somian | will do, redduck666 |
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| 05:59.23 | somian | redduck666: no output |
| 05:59.26 | anti-trend | Azar: Yes. Let's pretend for a moment that I don't want to be talked out of building custom kernels. Let's say that I really just want to know how to keep deb from importing the oldconfig... |
| 05:59.37 | cast | anyone had success with systrace in etch? noticed its been removed from stable since sarge |
| 05:59.49 | somian | I'm in your favor, anti-trend. |
| 06:00.00 | Azar | anti-trend: ok. |
| 06:00.01 | somian | cast: not tried it, sorry. |
| 06:00.13 | Azar | have somian help |
| 06:01.30 | Azar | anti-trend: it is assumed that if you insist on building your own kernels, you know how to handle situations |
| 06:03.42 | anti-trend | Azar: I know how to build custom kernels, and indeed am running one right now, which works great. But I'm pretty new to debian, and I've never seen the behavior it exhibits in terms of the oldconfig in any other distro. Even if I delete it, it's pulling it from someplace I'm unaccustomed to. So my question is: how can I, for example, 'make menuconfig' without debian grabbing the oldconfig and starting with that? |
| 06:03.56 | cast | in that howtoforge doc...they show how to load an alternative config file, surely one would just load a vanilla config file in that step? |
| 06:04.19 | Azar | anti-trend: ok on the tutorial I showed you and you snubbed it, it say: It's a good idea to use the configuration of your current working kernel as a basis for your new kernel. |
| 06:04.46 | anti-trend | Azar: Actually, I'm reading through it right now. |
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| 06:05.07 | samesame | if u apply a patch to a kernel source, does it simply add the source code of the patch to the kernel source code? |
| 06:05.22 | samesame | i.e. like copy n paste |
| 06:05.32 | cast | samesame: it modifies it, which involves addition and deletion |
| 06:05.38 | redduck666 | samesame: it also replaces some of the existing kernel code withh... damn too late |
| 06:05.51 | cast | samesame: look at the patch file, its pretty self explaining |
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| 06:06.15 | somian | samsame: sometime, $ info patch |
| 06:06.20 | samesame | ok |
| 06:07.11 | somian | cast: you are in an explainatorium now. An explainatorium is where people who have questions are answered with explanations :) |
| 06:07.35 | somian | ... or with pointless bot-querying |
| 06:08.06 | cast | to be fair i think the bot knows more than me |
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| 06:09.16 | somian | "knows" is a slippery concept. It has no intelligence whatsoever so it cannot make any contextual discriminations, cast ;-) |
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| 06:12.59 | anti-trend | Azar: Thanks for the link, but unfortunately, it didn't help for my situation (though I'm sure it's very helpful for those who need help building a custom kernel). But actually, the solution was stupidly obvious and I totally missed it. :P Yeah, I just touch'd .config in my kernel source root, and boom. It builds a vanilla kernel config. :( I feel like an idiot now. |
| 06:13.03 | cast | ahh i found all the GNU docs. in non-free! |
| 06:13.14 | jer-flow | if i connect another monitor to my laptop using the VGA output, the second output is 'bigger' than the one on the laptop screen |
| 06:13.25 | jer-flow | in other words, i can't see most of my desktop if i connect my laptop to another monitor |
| 06:13.28 | jer-flow | any ideas? |
| 06:13.34 | Guerin | cast: yes, because the GFDL is non-free. |
| 06:13.37 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 06:13.37 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of rutabagas, a little cod liver oil, and 42 rabid goats. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 06:14.01 | anti-trend | jer-flow: It sounds like a refresh rate issue. |
| 06:14.08 | Guerin | it's a resolution issue |
| 06:14.10 | cast | is there a way to list the contents of non-free? packages.debian.org didn't like * |
| 06:14.20 | Guerin | you can probably use xrandr to make it smaller |
| 06:15.02 | anti-trend | jer-flow: is your desktop too big, e.g. you have to scroll around via mouse, or too big, ala the borders go off into nowhere and you can't see it? |
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| 06:15.17 | Guerin | that's what he said |
| 06:15.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone here know how to save Festival Speech Synthesis System readings to files? |
| 06:15.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Preferably .mp3 |
| 06:15.44 | jer-flow | anti-trend: second one. too big can't see mouse |
| 06:16.02 | babarhaq_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.03 | anti-trend | jer-flow: Ah, OK. Yeah, sounds like the refresh rate isn' |
| 06:16.15 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: you could redirect the output from /dev/dsp as pcm wave to disk, then encode as mp3 or whatever else you like |
| 06:16.22 | anti-trend | jer-flow: ...isn't what your monitor is expecting |
| 06:16.29 | Guerin | babarhaq_: change your nickserv pass before I do ;) |
| 06:16.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Sounds difficult. |
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| 06:16.43 | babarhaq_ | Guerin: :) |
| 06:16.46 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: not really. festival might have an option to do it. |
| 06:17.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Hmm... I'll look around for it. |
| 06:17.16 | Guerin | jer-flow: did you try making it smaller with xrandr? |
| 06:17.17 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 06:17.48 | GhostlyDeath | How do I get my "Texas Instruments 5-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/xD)" working under Debian AMD64? |
| 06:17.57 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: you probably don't |
| 06:18.03 | Psy-X | Hello |
| 06:18.06 | GhostlyDeath | Hi |
| 06:18.23 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: google the pci or usb id; some or all of the functions may work. |
| 06:18.33 | Guerin | or may not |
| 06:18.56 | Guerin | for one thing the SD card functionality is guaranteed not to work, because the SD card consortium are fuckweits |
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| 06:20.09 | GreaseMonkey | hey, do you guys know how to get 3D acceleration working on an nVidia GeForce 5xxx card? |
| 06:20.11 | GreaseMonkey | i have debian 3.1 released jan 2005 |
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| 06:20.14 | jer-flow | Guerin: xrandr helped |
| 06:20.19 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 06:20.24 | Guerin | jer-flow: hurrah! |
| 06:20.48 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: you should first upgrade to 4.0 |
| 06:20.51 | Guerin | bah |
| 06:20.54 | jer-flow | Guerin: how can place custom reslution thou? |
| 06:20.56 | anti-trend | have a good one, #debian |
| 06:20.56 | Guerin | GreaseMonkey: ↑ |
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| 06:21.00 | Psy-X | investigating |
| 06:21.07 | GhostlyDeath | Using Debian "etch" 4.0 |
| 06:21.13 | GhostlyDeath | modprobing sdhci worked |
| 06:21.15 | Guerin | jer-flow: the available resolutions are a function of the refresh rate you chose. |
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| 06:21.35 | GreaseMonkey | Guerin: I didn't see that bit of unicode sorry |
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| 06:21.44 | jer-flow | Guerin: dug |
| 06:21.47 | jer-flow | Guerin: duh |
| 06:21.50 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: sorry, those for GreaseMonkey |
| 06:21.50 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: worked for what? |
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| 06:22.05 | jer-flow | Guerin: thank you! i think this is the 5th time u saved my life lol |
| 06:22.07 | GreaseMonkey | i use xchat 2.4 |
| 06:22.08 | Guerin | GreaseMonkey: it was an up-arrow point to me telling GhostlyDeath to use 4.0 - intended for you |
| 06:22.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Ok, I figured out how to make it save it. But now I have a different problem - I have 8 different wav files. How do I stitch them together into one? |
| 06:22.11 | GhostlyDeath | Guerin: Didn't say Module not found |
| 06:22.25 | Guerin | jer-flow: i should hope your life is not too intimately connected to your laptop |
| 06:22.32 | GreaseMonkey | um, i can't just randomly download a distro, i only have 5GB/mo, and that's SHARED |
| 06:22.56 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: oh, it might *load*. But it won't read an actual SD card with the SD stuff enabled. |
| 06:23.07 | cast | Dark_Apostrophe: audacity would do that, but personally i'd see what happens with cat * > :D |
| 06:23.21 | GhostlyDeath | too much stuff in /dev/ |
| 06:23.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | Audacity... hmm.. let me try. |
| 06:23.31 | GreaseMonkey | well, how do i configure 3d acceleration under 3.1? or another ver if you don't know? |
| 06:23.34 | jer-flow | Guerin: yeah, right ;) |
| 06:23.51 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: depending on how much you have installed an upgrade might only be ~500MB. But if that's still too much, you can just try the nvidia one-liner. But 3.1 is *old*. |
| 06:23.52 | GhostlyDeath | I don't think Windows 3.1 has 3D acceleration support |
| 06:24.01 | Guerin | bah fuck |
| 06:24.03 | GreaseMonkey | GhostlyDeath: Debian 3.1 |
| 06:24.04 | Guerin | damn you g people |
| 06:24.14 | GhostlyDeath | !damn Guerin |
| 06:24.25 | Guerin | GreaseMonkey: see my advice to GhostlyDeath again |
| 06:24.32 | Guerin | already there |
| 06:24.46 | GreaseMonkey | hey, i used to use mandrake 10.0 |
| 06:24.47 | GhostlyDeath | Guerin: I got 4.0 |
| 06:24.52 | GreaseMonkey | what's the nvidia one-liner anyways? |
| 06:24.54 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: yes. |
| 06:24.59 | Guerin | GreaseMonkey: ask dpkg |
| 06:25.10 | GreaseMonkey | cheers |
| 06:25.14 | GreaseMonkey | just clicked |
| 06:25.19 | GreaseMonkey | looking now |
| 06:25.31 | GhostlyDeath | Don't use a GeForce |
| 06:26.11 | somian | GhostlyMonkey: you have me confuzzed |
| 06:26.18 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:26.23 | cast | Dark_Apostrophe: ahh, cool. sox will do it |
| 06:26.35 | Guerin | GreaseDeath would be a better nick than either |
| 06:26.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | cast: How do I use it? |
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| 06:26.51 | GhostlyDeath | GuerinlyDeanky |
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| 06:27.08 | cast | Dark_Apostrophe: sox *old.wav joined.wav |
| 06:27.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | cast: So I just do that for every one? |
| 06:27.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | nvm |
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| 06:28.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | cast: It works. Thanks a lot :D |
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| 06:29.07 | artwood | hello eveybody |
| 06:29.16 | cast | hello artwood i missed you |
| 06:29.17 | GhostlyDeath | In order to use SD cards I need to attach my printer.. |
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| 06:29.48 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: if the SD cards are actually in SD mode, they won't work in debian. |
| 06:29.58 | artwood | someone can help me with a configuration of an ATI ? |
| 06:30.00 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: you have to make sure they're actiong only as MMDC cards |
| 06:30.07 | Guerin | artwood: /msg dpkg ati |
| 06:30.15 | Guerin | MMC, not MMDC |
| 06:30.18 | GhostlyDeath | Guerin: How do I make them MMC? |
| 06:30.25 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: they probably are by default |
| 06:30.35 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: i'm just warning you in case some inexplicably fail; |
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| 06:31.02 | GhostlyDeath | I don't want to waste my 128MB |
| 06:31.18 | artwood | Guerin:I have to write on console : /msg dpkg ati? |
| 06:31.26 | Guerin | artwood: in the channel |
| 06:31.36 | Guerin | in here, I mean |
| 06:31.49 | artagnon | I'm running 2.6.21-1-k7. How can I get an nvidia kernel module for it? |
| 06:32.00 | Guerin | artwood: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 06:32.04 | Guerin | bollocks |
| 06:32.09 | Guerin | bollocks |
| 06:32.15 | Guerin | artagnon: ↑ |
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| 06:33.03 | xlotlu | errm... how is this possible? "Your version of postgresql-8.2 (8.2.4-2) is newer than that in Debian!" (trying to reportbug) |
| 06:33.04 | artagnon | Guerin: nvidia-kernel-2.6.21-1-k7 doesn't exist |
| 06:39.18 | GhostlyDeath | Reading up on some tifm stuff |
| 06:39.18 | micahcowan | Is bugs.debian.org having trouble? I tried sending a message to 214083@bugs.debian.org, but it was rejected for invalid recipient by bugs.debian.org... |
| 06:39.18 | xlotlu | artagnon: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i nvidia |
| 06:39.18 | artagnon | xlotlu: oh right, I'll have to compile it against the kernel headers, a pain |
| 06:39.18 | artagnon | okay |
| 06:39.18 | Guerin | artagnon: hence the nvidia-one-liner |
| 06:39.18 | micahcowan | perhaps it's that it's an archived bug... |
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| 06:39.18 | xlotlu | artagnon: no pain whatsoever. module-assistant will do it for you |
| 06:39.18 | artwood | Guerin:what I have to do with dpkg? |
| 06:39.20 | Guerin | artwood: just type it in the irc channel |
| 06:39.20 | Guerin | where you typed that reply to me |
| 06:39.20 | artagnon | xlotlu: module-assistant? What's that? |
| 06:39.20 | Guerin | ffs |
| 06:39.20 | Guerin | !tell artagnon about nvidia one-liner |
| 06:39.20 | Guerin | artagnon: something for which you can read the documentation |
| 06:39.20 | artwood | Guerin: I have type...;) |
| 06:39.20 | Guerin | artwood: and dpkg has replied to you |
| 06:39.20 | Guerin | artwood: now read what he said |
| 06:39.21 | Guerin | is it still sunday in USia, perchance? |
| 06:39.21 | artwood | guerin:only "oh, so nice to see you smile!" |
| 06:39.21 | streuner | sure, in california |
| 06:39.21 | artwood | :-D |
| 06:39.21 | Guerin | !tell artwood about ati |
| 06:39.21 | streuner | eastcost isn't anymore |
| 06:39.22 | Guerin | so the tard coast is still in effect |
| 06:39.22 | Guerin | nice |
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| 06:39.23 | samesame | im trying to find a virtual xen server to host my website, what do u guys think of this? |
| 06:39.23 | samesame | http://xenplanet.com |
| 06:39.23 | samesame | it MUST be debian etch based |
| 06:39.24 | artwood | guerin:dpkg is a bot? |
| 06:39.24 | Guerin | artwood: quite. |
| 06:39.24 | cast | samesame: linode is good, but is uml based. |
| 06:39.24 | Guerin | samesame: I recommend rimuhosting.com, whic uses xen. I've been a client there since 2003 |
| 06:39.25 | artwood | guerin:seems that don't understand what I say |
| 06:39.30 | cast | samesame: linode does have xen hosts, but they are beta |
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| 06:40.13 | samesame | ok thanks guys |
| 06:40.28 | cast | samesame: uh. fuck that @ xenplanet, too expensive |
| 06:40.58 | samesame | ok |
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| 06:41.12 | samesame | customer service is just as important as the servers in my opinion |
| 06:41.30 | GreaseMonkey | erm, should I trust apt-get if it asks to remove any of these? base-config initrd-tools kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 |
| 06:41.43 | Guerin | that comparison they have is utter shit as well |
| 06:41.57 | Guerin | samesame: rimuhosting's support is *superb* |
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| 06:42.19 | Guerin | GreaseMonkey: yeah, let it. Just make sure you install replacements. |
| 06:42.25 | samesame | Guerin: do they support debian etch |
| 06:42.26 | Guerin | BEFORE you reboot |
| 06:42.45 | Guerin | samesame: of course, it's what I run on there. |
| 06:42.56 | samesame | excellent |
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| 06:43.40 | cast | rimu is pretty steep in prices too :\ |
| 06:44.07 | Guerin | cast: yeah, I got in early and they keep giving me loyalty bonuses |
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| 06:45.34 | cast | my linodes 256mb, 8gb, 100gb xfer, 20$/month. seems the general opinion that linodes are io bound, before anything else |
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| 06:46.22 | GreaseMonkey | Guerin: oh, and one more thing, i made a big cock-up while installing, i forgot to make a seperate /boot partition, so I have to use a GRUB boot disk, because GRUB can't access stage2, only the kernel+initrd |
| 06:46.25 | wols | 12you need a Xen hoster |
| 06:48.00 | GreaseMonkey | afk food |
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| 06:48.20 | samesame | Rimuhosting prices are ok, the website looks good and they sound like they offer good customer service |
| 06:48.36 | samesame | nice server options for your money i say |
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| 06:49.22 | artagnon | I failed to compile the nvidia-kernel-source for my kernel and corresponding headers (2.6.21-1-k7) due to the following error: FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops' |
| 06:49.33 | artagnon | I used m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia |
| 06:49.59 | artagnon | m-a prepare did not return any errors which indicates that the dependencies were satisfied |
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| 06:50.57 | hark | artagnon: yeah, check the bts |
| 06:51.05 | cast | yay, a nvidia kernel module problem. we haven't had one of those yet |
| 06:51.25 | artagnon | hark: bts? |
| 06:51.29 | hark | /sarcasm |
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| 06:51.44 | hark | artagnon: bugs.debian.org |
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| 06:53.33 | cast | regarding my old question about deleting all but one file in a dir, shopt -s extglob; rm !(keepme) |
| 06:54.15 | artagnon | hark: okay, found what I needed, thanks |
| 06:54.16 | artagnon | .wc |
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| 06:55.58 | JordiGH-doobian | How can I configure gksu to use sudo by default? Right now it's using su. |
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| 06:56.48 | cast | gksu: usr/bin/gksudo hmm |
| 06:58.25 | hark | JordiGH-doobian: man gksu |
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| 06:59.15 | JordiGH-doobian | hark: The manpage gives a command-line parameter to do it, but I don't feel like editting all of the preset GNOME menu entries that may use gksu to include that command-line. |
| 06:59.52 | hark | JordiGH-doobian: no, it gives the gconf key |
| 07:00.00 | JordiGH-doobian | I guess I can put the parameter in a script in place of gksu and move the real gksu binary to gksu.bin |
| 07:00.27 | hark | "Also notice that the library will decide if it should use su or sudo as backend using the /apps/gksu/sudo-mode gconf key" |
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| 07:01.01 | JordiGH-doobian | Oh, right. |
| 07:01.30 | hark | JordiGH-doobian: use gconf-editor or gconftool-2 to set it |
| 07:01.49 | dawn`chorus | JordiGH-doobian, check System > Pref's > Granting Privileges |
| 07:02.18 | dawn`chorus | or Privilege Granting, something |
| 07:02.51 | JordiGH-doobian | dawn`chorus: Uh, where? In gconf? I don't seem to have that key. |
| 07:03.02 | dawn`chorus | JordiGH, no. in the gnome menu. |
| 07:03.22 | cast | you could ask in #ubuntu too :o |
| 07:03.39 | dawn`chorus | with no hassle or manpages even. |
| 07:03.42 | JordiGH-doobian | hark: Set. Now I need to set this globally. Is there a global way to set gconf entries? For every user, I mean. |
| 07:04.09 | redduck666 | JordiGH-doobian: you want a global per user setting? :) |
| 07:04.17 | JordiGH-doobian | dawn`chorus: Uh. I have no system menu in GNOME. Admittedly, I'm using a pre-release etch, burnt a couple of weeks before etch release. |
| 07:04.23 | JordiGH-doobian | redduck666: Yes. Like /etc/skel |
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| 07:04.53 | hark | JordiGH-doobian: yeah, /usr/share/gconf/ i think |
| 07:04.54 | dawn`chorus | JordiGH-doobian, i'm in 2.16.3 |
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| 07:04.59 | JordiGH-doobian | dawn`chorus: Are you giving me Ubuntu advice? |
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| 07:05.23 | daeos | after shutting down vsftpd, ftp connections can still go through to my box, what other service should i look for? |
| 07:05.25 | dawn`chorus | JordiGH-doobian, no. i'm in Gentoo currently. but this menu I've seen even in Arch as well. |
| 07:05.35 | hajhouse | is there such as thing as a pam module implementing public-key authentication as in ssh? i'd like to use public keys to authenticate other services, like pop3 |
| 07:06.01 | JordiGH-doobian | I'm using 2.14.3. Which is what I think shipped with etch. |
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| 07:06.21 | cast | hark: there is poldi, but you need a smartcard for that |
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| 07:06.31 | cast | hajhouse even |
| 07:06.51 | daeos | so how could i find out what ftp servers are running? |
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| 07:07.08 | cast | netstat -naptl? nmap? |
| 07:07.16 | project9 | if i have two linux (desktop and server ) installed on differant pation how i can acess each other |
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| 07:07.58 | cast | project9: pation? partition? |
| 07:08.06 | JordiGH-doobian | Aha. Found it. /usr/share/libgksu/debian/gconf-defaults.libgksu-su |
| 07:08.06 | hajhouse | cast: libpam-poldi looks not far from what i had in mind :) |
| 07:08.16 | JordiGH-doobian | That has "sudo-mode false" |
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| 07:09.07 | daeos | cast: all i saw was the connection, not the program name |
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| 07:09.26 | JordiGH-doobian | cast: Btw, the etch install in expert mode has an option to not set the root password. We don't need no stinkin' Ubuntu. ;-) |
| 07:09.31 | dawn`chorus | good work JordiGH-doobian |
| 07:09.37 | cast | daeos: run it as root maybe |
| 07:09.40 | project9 | yes partation |
| 07:09.51 | cast | project9: and you are running debian? |
| 07:09.53 | daeos | nothing different |
| 07:10.27 | cast | daeos: curious, as root i get the pid/program names, as a normal user i do not. there is also lsof |
| 07:10.39 | cast | daeos: or just ps aux and look |
| 07:11.08 | daeos | ha, just pulls up my grep for ftp |
| 07:11.25 | cast | daeos: then maybe you're not running one? :) |
| 07:11.31 | JordiGH-doobian | Man, gconf sounds like a fantastically bad idea from a well-known OS... The registry. |
| 07:11.49 | JordiGH-doobian | It still doesn't look anything like the mess that the registry was, but it has potential to be it. |
| 07:11.58 | daeos | cast: oh i am |
| 07:12.13 | daeos | cast: my ftp session stayed connected after i killed the server |
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| 07:13.01 | hark | JordiGH-doobian: oh, maybe it's /etc/gconf/ instead. try it in case that dosen't work :) |
| 07:13.30 | JordiGH-doobian | hark: I already found it. |
| 07:13.37 | daeos | ok, i found it |
| 07:13.46 | DocTomoe | Hi. How can I automaticalls (e.g. within a cronjob) upload a file to a known ftp server. Are there any useable howtos out there? |
| 07:13.51 | daeos | the vsftpd didn't really die after the server died |
| 07:13.57 | hark | JordiGH-doobian: works for new users as well? |
| 07:13.59 | daeos | if someone is connected ,it stays alive |
| 07:14.05 | cast | DocTomoe: man ncftpput, its in the ncftp package |
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| 07:14.11 | JordiGH-doobian | hark: It should. It's in a global part. Look ^^ |
| 07:14.12 | cast | daeos: like sshd does :) |
| 07:14.27 | DocTomoe | cast: thanks for the pointer. would have not found that one ;) |
| 07:14.41 | daeos | cast: now my only problem is how to remember what character is used for ' ' |
| 07:14.45 | daeos | when dealing with ftp |
| 07:14.50 | daeos | ' \' right? |
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| 07:15.00 | cast | \ i would have thought |
| 07:15.01 | JordiGH-doobian | hark: /usr/share/libgksu/debian/gconf-defaults.libgksu-su |
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| 07:16.09 | somian | .oO(wtF) |
| 07:16.32 | JordiGH-doobian | I seem to be having problems getting the files from security.debian.org I get complaints of the files not being bzip2 files. Huh? |
| 07:16.48 | somian | dickheads changing nicks arbitrarily eh |
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| 07:17.25 | JordiGH | No, I'm still here. |
| 07:17.35 | JordiGH-doobian | As am I. |
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| 07:20.27 | JordiGH-doobian | But vim is. |
| 07:21.00 | JordiGH-doobian | Another blow of the global vimist conspiracy. |
| 07:21.10 | vorpal | vim is "lighter-weight" |
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| 07:21.13 | dimir | No, it's still too good to be in base. |
| 07:21.21 | redduck666 | JordiGH-doobian: i don't think vim is in the base install. |
| 07:21.30 | JordiGH-doobian | redduck666: It is. |
| 07:21.32 | dimir | moin anyway! |
| 07:21.36 | JordiGH-doobian | redduck666: I just *did* a base install. |
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| 07:21.52 | redduck666 | JordiGH-doobian: IIRC some other package is providing the vim binary. |
| 07:22.13 | GreaseMonkey | gah, if i could find my install disc |
| 07:22.21 | vorpal | vim is a better choice for editting system files, anyway, which is what you generally do right after an install |
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| 07:22.27 | hark | vim.tiny probably |
| 07:23.04 | JordiGH-doobian | Oh, you could be right. |
| 07:23.05 | JordiGH-doobian | jordi@doobian:/usr/share/gksu$ apt-cache policy vim |
| 07:23.06 | JordiGH-doobian | vim: Installed: (none) |
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| 07:23.31 | yetifoot | anyone know how i get the list of URL's in the last session that crashed without opening iceweasel? Some site just caused me masses of OOM and then i had to sys req, and couldn't get a clean reboot, so i think i need to report this as a serious bug |
| 07:24.02 | JordiGH-doobian | yetifoot: Tried digging around .mozilla/ yet? |
| 07:24.19 | hark | JordiGH-doobian: fwiw, there also seems to be alternatives for the gksu thing (update-alternatives --config libgksu-gconf-defaults) |
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| 07:24.29 | yetifoot | JordiGH-doobian, i'm poking around, but am not really sure what i'm looking for |
| 07:25.25 | redduck666 | yetifoot: tried grepping? :) |
| 07:25.53 | vorpal | abit be6-II. sometime is boots with hdd as /dev/hde and other times as /dev/hda |
| 07:26.11 | somian | vorpal: LOL |
| 07:26.11 | yetifoot | redduck666, i think i did find it now, i just got to find which one caused the death, this won't be fun, kind of like russian roulette as i look for the live bullet |
| 07:26.43 | vorpal | somian: a successful boot sometimes takes a few retries :-( |
| 07:27.07 | somian | I'll bet it does. Hmm, I had a BH-6 once. |
| 07:27.36 | JordiGH-doobian | Maybe it was some gnaa site. |
| 07:27.55 | vorpal | asus all the way, baby |
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| 07:30.35 | hark | yetifoot: well i use the session manager extension.. so all sessions are saved in the sessions folder in my profile under ~/.mozilla |
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| 07:36.40 | hark | vim-tiny .. Priority: Important |
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| 07:38.36 | JordiGH-doobian | Hmph! |
| 07:38.58 | JordiGH-doobian | Why aren't the tiny emacsen there instead? |
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| 07:39.31 | JordiGH-doobian | Well... I guess that nano is pretty emacs-like. |
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| 07:40.48 | vorpal | JordiGH-doobian: jesus christ, dude. don't tell me you don't fire up aptitude after an install and pull in all your favoritist packages. |
| 07:41.06 | jetscreamer | god no |
| 07:41.11 | jetscreamer | real men use dselect |
| 07:41.12 | mike_ | lol |
| 07:41.36 | centrx | dselect is better |
| 07:42.15 | mike_ | synaptic,cmon guys ,,command line junkies |
| 07:43.01 | jetscreamer | if it had an collapsible tree in the package listing nobody would complain |
| 07:43.04 | waltercool | in debian i cant install aptitude :S |
| 07:43.14 | jetscreamer | aptitude won't install in sid atm |
| 07:43.26 | waltercool | oh... dems |
| 07:43.26 | waltercool | why? |
| 07:43.32 | jetscreamer | or wouldn't last i checked.. some dependency |
| 07:43.38 | jetscreamer | not available |
| 07:43.44 | jetscreamer | it will sometime |
| 07:43.49 | waltercool | xD... but for some reason? |
| 07:44.02 | jetscreamer | yes, a dependency is unavailable |
| 07:44.11 | jetscreamer | let's see |
| 07:44.33 | somian | mike_: synaptic wn't work on a GNOME-based system |
| 07:44.39 | waltercool | can give this dependency to sid xD |
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| 07:45.22 | Flashylight | hello? |
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| 07:45.32 | Flashylight | =/ |
| 07:45.35 | cast | !hello |
| 07:45.36 | dpkg | Hi, cast! |
| 07:45.38 | jetscreamer | libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 does not appear to be available |
| 07:45.39 | Flashylight | i need some help, |
| 07:45.45 | Flashylight | its kinde critical |
| 07:45.50 | Flashylight | how do i remive php4 |
| 07:45.51 | jetscreamer | aptitude depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 |
| 07:45.52 | mike_ | somian: why? |
| 07:45.56 | Flashylight | and restore php5 |
| 07:46.19 | jetscreamer | debtags was borked also |
| 07:46.22 | cast | Flashylight: man apt-get might work |
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| 07:46.24 | keram | hey |
| 07:46.28 | Flashylight | no |
| 07:46.32 | somian | mike_: something to do with authentication as the superuser |
| 07:46.33 | yetifoot | is it easy to do a downgrade in synaptic, or purge, or audit recommendations? I'd love to move to a gui packman, but they tended to be missing features i used in the past, and any extra features meant nothing without the basics, it's been about 1 year since i tried though, is it worth installing synaptic for me? |
| 07:46.34 | keram | is there a way to get the cool 3D desktop thing working on debian? |
| 07:46.36 | Flashylight | apt doesnt work |
| 07:47.58 | redduck666 | Flashylight: you don't have to remove php4 to use php5. |
| 07:47.59 | keram | the cube effect thing |
| 07:47.59 | jetscreamer | hmm updated w32codecs |
| 07:47.59 | mike_ | keram: yep install Sidux |
| 07:47.59 | Flashylight | so how do i change my php path? |
| 07:47.59 | Flashylight | :s |
| 07:47.59 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search compiz keram |
| 07:47.59 | jetscreamer | man update-alternatives Flashylight |
| 07:47.59 | redduck666 | Flashylight: it is a httpd feature not OS feature. |
| 07:47.59 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 07:47.59 | jetscreamer | oh php nm |
| 07:47.59 | jetscreamer | i don't know why i say python |
| 07:47.59 | jetscreamer | saw |
| 07:48.07 | redduck666 | Flashylight: if you want any more help you'll have to tell us what httpd you are using. |
| 07:48.10 | keram | jetscreamer, thats all? just: apt-get install compiz? |
| 07:48.33 | Flashylight | httpd its empty |
| 07:48.53 | Flashylight | it is apache 2.2 so php4.so |
| 07:48.53 | hark | jetscreamer: aptitude is fixed in experimental afaik |
| 07:48.57 | Flashylight | has some stuff |
| 07:48.58 | redduck666 | Flashylight: you want php so that you can serve some |
| 07:49.07 | jetscreamer | keram: apt-cache search .. there are like 5 or 7 packages, not sure if one is a meta package, and also there is something you have to edit in gconf, iirc |
| 07:49.10 | jetscreamer | !compiz |
| 07:49.10 | dpkg | compiz is, like, a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 07:49.25 | Flashylight | i had a problem i installed something that installed php4 i had php5, and now its gone |
| 07:49.31 | Flashylight | i need php5back |
| 07:49.32 | redduck666 | Flashylight: configure apache to use php5 and not php4. |
| 07:49.43 | keram | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 07:49.49 | jetscreamer | hark: i used aptitude once, when it first came into sid... |
| 07:50.07 | Flashylight | it says apache2/modules/libphp4.so |
| 07:50.08 | Flashylight | -5 |
| 07:50.13 | Flashylight | its not present |
| 07:50.16 | hark | heh, dselect ftw ;) |
| 07:50.25 | redduck666 | Flashylight: so install it. |
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| 07:51.15 | Flashylight | it doesnt work |
| 07:51.24 | jetscreamer | fix it |
| 07:51.30 | Flashylight | ive done apt-gt install php5 |
| 07:51.36 | jetscreamer | !comfort Flashylight |
| 07:51.36 | dpkg | There, there, Flashylight. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 07:51.48 | redduck666 | Flashylight: and? |
| 07:51.59 | Flashylight | lots of times and its still php4 |
| 07:52.23 | liri | what would be the best way to copy a full debian chrooted system from one machine to another? |
| 07:52.41 | redduck666 | Flashylight: how about installing libapache2-mod-php5? |
| 07:52.46 | quitte | apt-get remove php4? or just use php5 instead of4? you probablyhave both installed now |
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| 07:53.26 | redduck666 | liri: i did that with cpio over netcat. |
| 07:53.32 | redduck666 | !clone |
| 07:53.32 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 07:53.37 | redduck666 | !debian clone |
| 07:53.38 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 07:53.52 | liri | redduck666: is there a simpler way to archive it somehow to one file and then open it in the other machine? |
| 07:53.53 | Flashylight | im on that |
| 07:54.05 | Flashylight | failed |
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| 07:54.41 | redduck666 | liri: tar. last time i messed with it it didn't correctly copy the links from /etc/rc*.d/* |
| 07:55.20 | liri | liri: ummm, ok, thanks. |
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| 07:55.28 | Flashylight | :D cool its done |
| 07:55.29 | redduck666 | liri: dd to copy it byte by byte |
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| 07:55.46 | Flashylight | but i really dislike this way of having this configured |
| 07:56.28 | Flashylight | i mean |
| 07:56.37 | Flashylight | when i installed was ok |
| 07:56.38 | somian | redduck666: cpio rocks :) |
| 07:56.45 | jetscreamer | what i do is boot a live cd mount the target and the source and then just cp -a |
| 07:57.01 | jetscreamer | fix fstab and menu.lst and viola! |
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| 07:57.29 | Flashylight | lol |
| 07:57.42 | somian | ewww cooties now |
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| 07:58.05 | redduck666 | jetscreamer: bootloader reinstall? |
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| 07:58.33 | jetscreamer | i usually have grub on something |
| 07:58.35 | user1_ | i need some help about aptitude: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27099/ |
| 07:58.52 | jetscreamer | redo grub-install to taste |
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| 07:59.16 | jetscreamer | bake@350 for one hour |
| 07:59.39 | redduck666 | any alternatives to gpm? |
| 07:59.44 | jetscreamer | (burnin) |
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| 08:01.08 | jetscreamer | i've never seen one mentioned |
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| 08:01.21 | redduck666 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.21 | redduck666 | Low mortgage rates from America's leading lenders. |
| 08:01.31 | redduck666 | <url of spam site> |
| 08:01.44 | redduck666 | on of the results on search on mouse.com for gpm :) |
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| 08:02.10 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 08:02.15 | jetscreamer | i meant the dos tsr |
| 08:02.23 | jetscreamer | or whatever it was |
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| 08:02.35 | somian | o_O ? |
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| 08:02.58 | jetscreamer | mouse.com mouse.exe mouse.sys |
| 08:03.12 | jetscreamer | hmmm when will they have domain names with .exe |
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| 08:03.47 | biopyte | hi. just downloaded my emails with fetchmail. does somebody know in which directory the mails went on my local machine? can you recommend a gui-mail client to just read these mails and easy to use? |
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| 08:05.29 | Pete_B | Hi. I'm using Etch with backports.org's kernel 2.6.21, trying to compile ipw2200-source for this kernel I get errors with ieee80211. Is there something obviously wrong I'm likely to bo doing? |
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| 08:07.06 | smiler | Pete_B: you need to use external ieee80211 code (avilable at http://ieee80211.sourceforge.net) |
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| 08:08.35 | keram | jetscreamer, none of the intel integrated graphics cards will work with this? |
| 08:08.40 | Pete_B | smiler: is that because of the updated kernel? or would I need it even if I were compiling with an Etch kernel? can I use the version from Unstable or should it be from upstream? |
| 08:08.48 | contajious | are there really 18,000+ apps in the package repo? |
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| 08:09.51 | smiler | Pete_B: it's because of the ipw2200-drivers |
| 08:10.10 | smiler | Pete_B: the ipw team is developing for a newer set of ieee80211 code |
| 08:10.43 | hark | Pete_B: The drivers are already in the kernel.. why compile? |
| 08:10.47 | contajious | i counted 1 by 1, there's only 9,000. |
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| 08:11.08 | smiler | "only" :) |
| 08:11.19 | smiler | count to 9000 and you'll see that that's quite alot |
| 08:11.19 | Pete_B | smiler: thanks |
| 08:11.21 | hark | !dstats etch |
| 08:11.27 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18601 packages, 1728 maintainers, 41697 MB installed size, 13733 MB compressed size. |
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| 08:12.02 | contajious | okay okay. |
| 08:12.07 | hark | :) |
| 08:12.52 | Pete_B | hark: good point. I hadn't thought of that. I get an error on startup I thought I needed to create respective kernel modules, forgot the version in the new kernel is likely to be uptodate |
| 08:12.53 | contajious | just curious. |
| 08:12.53 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 08:12.53 | dpkg | "Linux doesn't exist. Everyone knows Linux is an unlicensed version of Unix." - http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;97798672;fp;2;fpid;1 |
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| 08:13.34 | hark | Pete_B: no, well all you need to do is get the firmware |
| 08:14.30 | hark | !ipw2200 firmware |
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| 08:14.30 | dpkg | You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build> |
| 08:14.46 | Pete_B | hark: yeah, well I have that, been using the module a while, but one of the errors now is "ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting." |
| 08:16.43 | Pete_B | is there a way to find the version of the currently running ipw-2200 module? |
| 08:17.05 | hark | modinfo ipw2200 |grep -i version |
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| 08:17.32 | Pete_B | hark: great, thanks |
| 08:17.35 | hark | does it work apart from these restarts? |
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| 08:19.07 | nsx | if a package's files are overwritten by another package, and then you uninstall that other package, is there any way to force apt to download and reinstall the package again, now that its files are missing? |
| 08:19.49 | Jello | lo, I want that a user has permission in /var/www, now I get 'mkdir: cannot create directory `test': Permission denied', how can I do this? |
| 08:19.59 | redduck666 | nsx: aptitude reinstall package |
| 08:20.10 | nsx | any way to do it with apt-get? :) |
| 08:20.23 | redduck666 | nsx: apt-get install --reinstall package |
| 08:20.42 | nsx | cool, thanks |
| 08:20.44 | redduck666 | Jello: chown -R user /var/www ? |
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| 08:21.12 | Jello | thanks |
| 08:21.13 | Jello | :) |
| 08:22.17 | liri | redduck666: ummm, with cpio over ssh I'm getting some error messages regarding those dev files... |
| 08:22.40 | somian | uhoh ... |
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| 08:23.22 | redduck666 | liri: a good starting point would be to tell us what excatly you are doing and what errors are you seeing. pastebin is probably appropriate. |
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| 08:24.57 | user1_ | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27099/ help |
| 08:25.34 | user1_ | can someone help me? |
| 08:25.40 | liri | redduck666: well I have a linux environment setup at some directory which I chroot to, to do some work and I want to copy that environment to another computer. |
| 08:25.50 | nsx | I'd like to know how totem-video-thumbnailer always suceeds in picking the most sexual frame for its thumbnails possible, in an otherwise non-sexual video |
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| 08:25.57 | nsx | because that's what always shows up in nautilus |
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| 08:26.43 | redduck666 | liri: show the commands you are using and what it output. |
| 08:26.58 | user1_ | any package management expert help me? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27099/ |
| 08:27.03 | liri | redduck666: http://pastebin.ca/587970 |
| 08:27.16 | redduck666 | user1_: did you try aptitude update? |
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| 08:27.26 | user1_ | no |
| 08:27.27 | user1_ | should i? |
| 08:28.10 | user1_ | i just did, problem still there |
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| 08:29.35 | redduck666 | liri: hmmmm |
| 08:29.46 | redduck666 | tried -print0 | cpio --null ? |
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| 08:30.03 | redduck666 | also at the recieving end you might wanna add --no-absolute-filenames |
| 08:30.11 | redduck666 | just to be sure :) |
| 08:30.35 | contajious | do i need an initrd image for custom kernels? |
| 08:31.31 | redduck666 | contajious: depends what you put in kernel. |
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| 08:32.05 | contajious | i set all options to enable IDE. works on gentoo, doesn't here. |
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| 08:32.42 | niru | hi |
| 08:32.45 | redduck666 | contajious: did you disable initrc in kernel? |
| 08:32.48 | redduck666 | *initrd |
| 08:32.54 | redduck666 | hi niru |
| 08:33.03 | contajious | actually, it's enabled. |
| 08:33.24 | niru | testing version d-i shows graphics problem at the end of installation |
| 08:33.44 | niru | what is going wrong is the installer goes fine till it is configuring xserver-xorg and suddenly the display goes and the screen becomes blank |
| 08:34.21 | niru | only I see the that something is progressing in block shapes |
| 08:34.30 | niru | what could be the reason |
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| 08:35.47 | niru | redduck666, any idea |
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| 08:36.39 | drwahl_ | i am attempting to run beryl, but i get an error "RandR extension : failed" |
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| 08:36.46 | drwahl_ | i am using nvidia with dual monitor |
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| 08:39.06 | contajious | redduck666: i might have ext2 FS set to [M]. |
| 08:39.19 | somian | ouch |
| 08:39.41 | contajious | yah. the colors are blinding. |
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| 08:41.49 | user1_ | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27099/ what's wrong with my aptitude/apt-get |
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| 08:43.13 | adughep | dbus is used mostly for desktop applications ? |
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| 08:43.35 | drwahl_ | RandR seems to be missing from my fresh debian install, but "libxrandr2" is already the newest version |
| 08:43.36 | Blackgoth | user1_: did you try apt-get update first? |
| 08:43.46 | user1_ | blackbart, yes i did |
| 08:43.49 | user1_ | Blackgoth, yes i did |
| 08:43.52 | user1_ | still the same |
| 08:44.00 | user1_ | package installs, with erros though |
| 08:44.08 | user1_ | i don't want to see those error |
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| 08:46.01 | drwahl_ | can some one assist me with an error i'm getting invovling RandR? |
| 08:46.32 | redduck666 | user1_: aptitude install nfs-common &> /dev/null ##you won't see the errors any moe |
| 08:46.35 | redduck666 | *more |
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| 08:46.47 | user1_ | yes i know |
| 08:46.57 | user1_ | so there's no way to get rid of the error? |
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| 08:47.57 | redduck666 | user1_: what does dpkg --configure -a say? |
| 08:48.08 | redduck666 | does it give you any more details on what the error might be? |
| 08:48.28 | user1_ | dpkg: error processing nfs-common (--configure): |
| 08:48.28 | user1_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.28 | user1_ | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 08:48.28 | user1_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.28 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 08:49.45 | redduck666 | user1_: have a look at the post installation script of nfs-common. |
| 08:49.59 | user1_ | where is it |
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| 08:50.45 | hark | heh, that factoid worked |
| 08:50.56 | redduck666 | user1_: dpkg-deb -e /var/cache/apt/archives/nfs-com* |
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| 08:52.11 | user1_ | my agenda is fixing this error in no time |
| 08:52.19 | user1_ | cuz i have lots things to do subsequently |
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| 08:53.33 | gman | hello |
| 08:53.49 | Jello | I just downloaded 'bzflag-server' with apt-get install ... , I find the app in /usr/games |
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| 08:53.54 | Jello | but how do I run it? |
| 08:54.09 | user1_ | dpkg-deb -e /var/cache/apt/archives/nfs-common_1%3a1.0.10-6_i386.deb returns nothing |
| 08:54.10 | redduck666 | Jello: bzflag-server should be enaugh |
| 08:54.22 | redduck666 | user1_: it should create a DEBIAN directory |
| 08:54.42 | user1_ | where |
| 08:54.48 | user1_ | create where |
| 08:55.04 | redduck666 | Jello: if not, either use full path, ie: /usr/games/bzflag-server, or add /usr/games to your path, ie: PATH="$PATH:/usr/games" |
| 08:55.11 | redduck666 | user1_: in your current directory. |
| 08:55.32 | user1_ | OK IT DOES |
| 08:55.42 | redduck666 | NO SHIT |
| 08:55.48 | redduck666 | :) |
| 08:55.48 | Jello | yeah, just the path :) |
| 08:55.52 | user1_ | so what's next step |
| 08:56.13 | Erik__ | o my god what a mess, this ETCH. I DLed the 3 dvd stuff, in the expectation I would have everything. Now I got NOTHING. I tried to install but ETCH does not install drivers for my NVIDIA GeForce FX5200 graphics card. Seems I have to COMPILE A NEW KERNEL, for chrissakes. But ETCH does not install development stuff like libraries and CC/GCC... so I first have to get those... OH MY GOD !!!!... |
| 08:56.14 | Erik__ | ...Where is the stuff ? Seems I have to dump DEBIAN alltogether...switch to SUSE ? or UBUNTU (installs flawlessly) ? but UBUNTU does not install developers packages... it seems.... When is Linux getting mature ? |
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| 08:56.30 | redduck666 | user1_: inside it there should be a postinst script. this is the script that is failing, run it to get more details (probably) |
| 08:56.31 | somian | Heh |
| 08:57.00 | somian | Please, please, please dump Debian, PLEASE go use another distro, Erik__ ... |
| 08:57.14 | somian | Ok that's all thx. Please. |
| 08:57.44 | contajious | Erik__: actually, i'm in the process of getting my GeForce FX 5200 to work. |
| 08:57.55 | contajious | with drivers. |
| 08:57.59 | mike__ | Erik__: try Sidux |
| 08:58.03 | Erik__ | CANTA: you're kidding |
| 08:58.17 | Erik__ | conta ..I mean |
| 08:58.24 | hark | Erik__: you don't have to compile a kernel for that |
| 08:58.31 | contajious | nope. i'm compiling my kernel right now and reading the debian-wiki.org. |
| 08:58.34 | redduck666 | !tell contajious about nvidia one-linner |
| 08:58.36 | Kadran | i love debian :) |
| 08:58.44 | Jello | thanks for al redduck666 |
| 08:58.57 | Jello | 'll use my old pc als dedicated server for some little lan games :) |
| 08:58.57 | user1_ | i don't love and hate debian, it's good when it works |
| 08:58.59 | redduck666 | !tell contajious about nvidia one-liner |
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| 08:59.12 | Erik__ | hark : how so ? |
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| 08:59.39 | contajious | huh? |
| 08:59.40 | redduck666 | !tell Erik__ about nvidia one-linner |
| 08:59.55 | redduck666 | contajious: you said you were in the process of getting nvidia to work? |
| 09:00.03 | mike__ | !dpkg Nvidia |
| 09:00.04 | redduck666 | !tell Erik__ about nvidia one-liner |
| 09:00.10 | contajious | yes. still compiling the kernel. |
| 09:00.37 | contajious | i appreciate the debian way. |
| 09:00.54 | niru | *** You don't have any defomized font packages. |
| 09:00.54 | niru | Jun 25 08:46:28 in-target: *** So we are trying to force to generate pangox.aliases... |
| 09:00.55 | sep | contajious, are there something spesific about the 5200FX so that the nvidia one liner don't work ? i have had 3 nvidia cards and they all work with the nvidia one liner. so easy that my 13 year old sister did it by herself. |
| 09:00.58 | niru | what does this mean |
| 09:00.59 | mike__ | contajious: tedious |
| 09:01.01 | mike__ | hell |
| 09:01.05 | niru | and what is xfonts for |
| 09:01.25 | contajious | sep: what's the one-liner? |
| 09:01.27 | sep | takes 2 minutes max |
| 09:01.28 | Erik__ | what is this one liner ? |
| 09:01.29 | liri | redduck666: ok it seems to work better with that command, imud :) |
| 09:01.33 | sep | !nvidia one-liner |
| 09:01.34 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 09:02.13 | user1_ | i really think every linux user should compile the kernel traditional way |
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| 09:02.38 | contajious | i appreciate the debian way. |
| 09:02.39 | mike__ | user1_: That hardly appeals to the masses |
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| 09:02.53 | sep | user1_, why on earth should they bother ? the debian kernel packages are top notch. |
| 09:03.02 | niru | mike__, any idea |
| 09:03.26 | mike__ | niru: See why pclos is so popular |
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| 09:03.56 | niru | mike__, what is that |
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| 09:04.22 | user1_ | because i use a customized kernel |
| 09:04.27 | user1_ | they have .config for me |
| 09:04.32 | mike__ | niru: debian needs to move forward not back |
| 09:04.40 | user1_ | i can't just put a debian kernel on productive server |
| 09:05.05 | Shadur | user1_: Why not? |
| 09:05.15 | Shadur | user1_: Also, you may want to look into kernel-package |
| 09:05.23 | mike__ | debian is best on servers |
| 09:05.33 | mike__ | end users hmm |
| 09:05.36 | quitte | how do i change a ifeq in a Makefile to look for something OR the other? do i have to use a second ifeq inside? |
| 09:05.59 | niru | mike__, http://pastebin.ca/587998 |
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| 09:06.45 | mike__ | niru: err oh |
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| 09:07.11 | somian | The "nv" driver is the free, generic, not-Nvidia-supplied driver, right? |
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| 09:07.20 | mike__ | niru: I like sidux as an end user install |
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| 09:07.38 | somian | quitte: you want a channel like ##workingset |
| 09:07.56 | mike__ | Is there a channel for sid/ |
| 09:07.58 | mike__ | ? |
| 09:08.43 | hark | no, you get btssmited here itself |
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| 09:08.59 | mike__ | hark: oh |
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| 09:10.43 | contajious | got my kernel working. |
| 09:11.02 | Maliuta | contajious: whay do you want? a medal? or a chest to pin it on? |
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| 09:11.19 | mike__ | contajious: well done |
| 09:11.32 | mike__ | i do not have the time |
| 09:12.03 | amphi | contajious: why did you need to build your own? |
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| 09:13.41 | somian | "btssmited"? |
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| 09:15.56 | brubelsabs | Is there any way to display a running process's limits? (ulimit -a)? Thanks. |
| 09:16.08 | contajious | i want to build the kernel from my graphics card. |
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| 09:16.28 | contajious | and also for hardware that's not in the default. |
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| 09:19.08 | Decepticon | perl question, the GD.pm module is this : "libgd-graph3d-perl - Create 3D Graphs with GD and GD::Graph" is this correct? |
| 09:19.34 | somian | No |
| 09:19.41 | Decepticon | are you sure? |
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| 09:19.49 | somian | Does it matter? |
| 09:19.52 | Decepticon | yes |
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| 09:20.12 | somian | Why? You're expecting guranteed advice on irc? And OT at that? |
| 09:20.50 | somian | Are you not asking on #perl because you don;t use that channel? (I can only hope) |
| 09:20.59 | Decepticon | im sorry i didn't understand what you said. i'm just making a judgement call based on the probability of how sure you are |
| 09:21.15 | Decepticon | but i've asked #perl as well |
| 09:21.23 | Azar | somian: are you really in need of arguing with people? |
| 09:21.27 | somian | Big mistake ;-) |
| 09:21.37 | somian | Using #perl that is ;) |
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| 09:22.12 | somian | Debian forms its pkg names by prefixing lib- and appending -perl |
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| 09:22.28 | Decepticon | i see |
| 09:22.39 | somian | The Debian pkg for GD.pm is thus libgd-perl |
| 09:22.56 | Decepticon | is there anyway i can run a dry run, a test, for the command 'sudo apt-get install libgd-perl' |
| 09:22.59 | somian | Prefixing "lib" without the "-", sorry |
| 09:23.03 | Decepticon | see what dependencies it wants |
| 09:23.08 | Decepticon | and how much space it would take up |
| 09:23.14 | Decepticon | etc |
| 09:23.22 | salmouta_ | hi, I installed deian sarge on my server and I want to install etch now. the problem it is when I tried to install linux-image 2.6.18.486 with apt-get install linux-image 2.6.18.486 the system doesn't detect the hardware with starting. I don't know that must I make to pass from linux-image-2.4 to linux-image-2.6 |
| 09:23.23 | somian | I think apt-get has a dry-run switch, sure. --help |
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| 09:24.24 | somian | If not, fire up aptitude and find the pkg |
| 09:24.40 | Decepticon | does it matter where i put the switch for dry-run in apt-get... ie: 'sudo apt-get -s install libgd-perl' or 'sudo apt-get install -s libgd-perl' |
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| 09:24.58 | blackba55 | how the hell do i unrar in debian ? ... |
| 09:25.04 | somian | action goes before modifier-flag I believe |
| 09:25.04 | xlotlu | Decepticon: no |
| 09:25.15 | sep | blackba55, i use unrar |
| 09:25.15 | somian | blackba55: it's in non-free |
| 09:26.36 | Erik__ | this nvidia one-liner does not work here.... there is no nvidia package nvidia-kernel..etc |
| 09:26.47 | somian | Decepticon: FWIW, I used to be a chanop in #perl. A more degenerate group I have seldom witnessed. Be sure to tell them I said "f-u" ;-) |
| 09:27.03 | Decepticon | haha, i'll do that |
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| 09:27.59 | Azar | Erik__: ..here..where? what debian version? |
| 09:28.27 | Erik__ | azar: etch. 4.. |
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| 09:28.52 | contajious | got nvidia drivers to work. woop. |
| 09:28.58 | somian | yay :) |
| 09:29.15 | somian | It looks like I'd have to go with nvidia-legacy |
| 09:29.33 | Erik__ | conta: from a regular install ? |
| 09:29.33 | somian | I woner if its worth it. |
| 09:29.37 | somian | wonder* |
| 09:29.37 | Azar | Erik__: it should work, it worked for me. are you using amd64? |
| 09:29.41 | user1_ | i can get nvidia and ati to work in windows in less than 30 seconds |
| 09:29.56 | Erik__ | i386 |
| 09:30.00 | user1_ | so when we are talking here, nvidia and ati are working |
| 09:30.14 | Azar | user1_: we talk about debian, not windows |
| 09:30.24 | Shadur | user1_: Does that include the three minutes winduhs needs to start up to begin with? |
| 09:30.35 | Azar | Erik__: try all that line again, as root ofcourse without omiting punctuation and spaces |
| 09:30.36 | Jello | mmm |
| 09:30.39 | user1_ | it's plug and play in windows |
| 09:30.47 | petemc | no its not |
| 09:30.57 | Jello | just installed (via apt-get), http://packages.debian.org/stable/games/wesnoth-server |
| 09:31.04 | user1_ | once i got proper drivers installed, quake 4 right away |
| 09:31.06 | Jello | but I can't run it :\ |
| 09:31.07 | Erik__ | my kernel is 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 09:31.08 | Azar | user1_: stop or leave |
| 09:31.11 | Jello | not via path, not via sh |
| 09:31.28 | Azar | Erik__: yes, is ok but follow that line exactly |
| 09:31.35 | user1_ | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27099/ fix my problem so i shut up and continue my work |
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| 09:32.18 | Shadur | user1_: Blackmail isn't going to encourage us to help you any sooner than whining is. |
| 09:32.26 | user1_ | i have that error on etch |
| 09:32.32 | Jello | any idea? |
| 09:32.36 | somian | Glad you said it, Shadur |
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| 09:32.48 | dob1 | hi |
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| 09:32.54 | user1_ | that' isn't blackmail |
| 09:32.58 | Erik__ | azar: it says : cant find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7 which is weird: omits .18 |
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| 09:33.24 | Azar | Erik__: yes it omits because it knows which one you got |
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| 09:33.53 | Shadur | Erik__: That's because kernel-2.6 is a metapackage that depends on the current highest 2.6 version in the tree. |
| 09:33.58 | Jello | redduck666: ? Do you meaby have an idea? |
| 09:34.00 | dob1 | why on ps aux i see 132 8946 1.6 2.1 14776 10444 ? S 11:28 0:03 /usr/sbin/tor, 132 like user but on /etc/passwd i have debian-tor:x:132:132::/var/lib/tor:/bin/bash ? why it doesn't write debian-tor? |
| 09:34.02 | Azar | oh |
| 09:34.25 | user1_ | nobody can help? |
| 09:34.29 | Azar | Erik, you got an amd kernel, not a i386.. which cpu you got? |
| 09:34.52 | somian | Ermm, E: Couldn't find package nvidia-legacy-kernel-2.6-686 |
| 09:34.56 | Erik__ | amd |
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| 09:35.36 | somian | oops, heh |
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| 09:36.12 | Azar | Erik__: are you typing that command with "nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-k7" ? you should not |
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| 09:37.23 | Azar | Erik__: this is the exact long line you have to copy and paste as root at the prompt: |
| 09:37.26 | Azar | install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed |
| 09:37.26 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.42 | Azar | using apt-get ofcourse |
| 09:37.44 | Erik__ | azar: no : nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` |
| 09:38.10 | Jello | How do you start apps in Debian? (noob) |
| 09:38.16 | Jello | sh and the path doens't work |
| 09:38.16 | Azar | Erik__: uname -r < waht it say? |
| 09:38.37 | somian | Jello: then its not on your $PATH ? |
| 09:38.38 | blackba55 | btw ... does anyone know how to use tv-out with geforce 6200 ? |
| 09:38.45 | blackba55 | i tried nvtv .. but it's not working |
| 09:38.52 | Erik__ | azar: 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 09:39.05 | Jello | somian: , on my $PATH? |
| 09:39.12 | blackba55 | i gives a fatal error saying that it doesn't find any compatible hardware .. something like this |
| 09:39.25 | somian | Jello: yup |
| 09:39.45 | salmouta_ | nobody can help me? |
| 09:39.52 | somian | What app are you trying to start, Jello? Be specific. |
| 09:39.52 | Jello | how does I see that $path? |
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| 09:40.12 | Jello | I told: Jello: just installed (via apt-get), http://packages.debian.org/stable/games/wesnoth-server |
| 09:40.17 | Jello | Jello: sh and the path doens't work |
| 09:40.21 | Erik__ | jello: echo $PATH |
| 09:40.22 | Azar | Erik__: ok say you look to see if there is such package: apt-cache search nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7 |
| 09:40.55 | Jello | echo $PATH gives me => |
| 09:41.08 | Jello | (/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 09:41.31 | Erik__ | azar: nothing |
| 09:41.58 | somian | Jello, don't you want the whole GNOME desktop? |
| 09:41.58 | Azar | Erik__: nothing similar? |
| 09:42.06 | Erik__ | azar: nothing: just a new bash prompt |
| 09:42.16 | somian | It surely makes it far friendlier for a user at your level. |
| 09:42.36 | Jello | I run without desktop |
| 09:42.41 | Jello | dedicated sthuff |
| 09:42.43 | Erik__ | with a wildcard i get nvidia-kernel-common |
| 09:43.36 | somian | Jello: ok |
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| 09:43.56 | Jello | mmmm |
| 09:44.01 | brubelsabs | hwo to display ulimits per process? |
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| 09:44.29 | Azar | Erik__: ok then try the whole thing, on that line replace nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7 > with nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-k7 see if it works |
| 09:44.33 | Jello | I got this error somian |
| 09:44.35 | Jello | could not make fifo at '/var/run/wesnothd/socket' |
| 09:44.35 | Jello | failed to open fifo at '/var/run/wesnothd/socket' |
| 09:44.35 | Jello | caught network error while server was running. aborting.: Could not bind to port |
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| 09:44.39 | peppo | are Debian Mono packages explicitly built WITHOUT VisualBasic support? |
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| 09:44.47 | Jello | could not make fifo at '/var/run/wesnothd/socket' |
| 09:44.47 | Jello | failed to open fifo at '/var/run/wesnothd/socket' |
| 09:44.47 | Jello | caught network error while server was running. aborting.: Could not bind to port |
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| 09:45.01 | Jello | this is the error that I get, when I type the path |
| 09:45.03 | Azar | peppo: VB isnt that a microsof thingie? |
| 09:45.03 | Erik__ | azar: I try |
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| 09:45.42 | peppo | Azar, yes |
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| 09:46.00 | Azar | peppo: Debian is not in colaboration relationships with microsof |
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| 09:46.29 | Jello | :s |
| 09:47.03 | peppo | Azar, no it is not. what's your point? |
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| 09:47.48 | nslater | What is a good way to manage whole system configuration from a single point or applicationt? |
| 09:47.51 | Azar | peppo: Debian is not even remotely using any bit of code of microsoft... there are free software alternatives but no, no support for that company's products |
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| 09:48.09 | nslater | Azar, well - you can run Windows apps on Debian. |
| 09:48.14 | somian | hi nslater, i remember you |
| 09:48.21 | peppo | Azar, oh, please be quiet when you have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 09:48.23 | nslater | somian, good or bad? |
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| 09:48.31 | somian | just fine, nslater ;) |
| 09:48.34 | Azar | nslater: that is the users' choice but Debian does not condone or support that |
| 09:48.44 | Jello | i'm getting crazy :p |
| 09:48.53 | contajious | how can i tell what the user is a group member of? |
| 09:49.00 | Azar | peppo: Visual Basic is a software that Debian does not support |
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| 09:49.07 | nslater | somian, heh. Okay, proably some flame war I started then. ;) |
| 09:49.18 | Azar | peppo: meaning, if you want to install and run it is on your own |
| 09:49.29 | peppo | Azar, do you even know what Mono is? |
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| 09:49.56 | Azar | peppo: I think you confuse Debian as "open source" .. which is not |
| 09:50.16 | nslater | Azar, can you clarify? |
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| 09:50.31 | Jello | somian: any idea :\ |
| 09:50.31 | wigfreitz | can a machine have more than one IP address? |
| 09:50.39 | nslater | wigfreitz, yes. |
| 09:50.53 | wigfreitz | how might I accomplish that? |
| 09:51.00 | Azar | nslater: open source don't shy of using proprietary software, free software is avoiding integrating proprietary software |
| 09:51.03 | somian | Jello: I kind of lost interest in helping you when you flooded the channel. |
| 09:51.06 | nslater | wigfreitz, heh. No idea, just know it can be done. Sorry. |
| 09:51.13 | Jello | ow |
| 09:51.24 | Jello | excuses |
| 09:51.41 | nslater | Azar, aha - yes, agreed. Though Debian could be MORE free software oriented. But essentially, I agree. |
| 09:51.52 | Jello | I'm sorry :s |
| 09:51.59 | graytron | anyone ran into problems with smartmontools reporting errors like: smartd[6111]: Device: /dev/twa0 [3ware_disk_01], skip scheduled |
| 09:52.05 | Azar | Debian does not encourage any of its users to download, install and use proprietary software not even drivers. There are free software "alternatives" that can be used instead |
| 09:52.30 | nslater | Azar, hmm - dubious claim if you ask me. |
| 09:52.33 | ma3x | how do i encode all tracks from /dev/hcd (audio cd) to ogg tracks? |
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| 09:52.52 | Azar | nslater: it is this way since way back.. and it stays that way |
| 09:52.54 | graytron | anyone ran into problems with smartmontools reporting errors like: smartd[6112]: Device: /dev/twa0 [3ware_disk_00], skip scheduled Short Self-Test; 130% remaining of current Self-Test. ?? |
| 09:53.16 | nslater | Azar, yes - but Debian includes non-free software. Anyway, we agree enough. |
| 09:53.46 | Jello | okay, It's too crazy that I can't run something from the debian site (_) I'm a noob :\ |
| 09:54.10 | Azar | nslater: Debian installer will never come with proprietary software, and non-free is just to give the users the convenience of choice. If users prefer non-free is on their own decision, not encouraged by Debian |
| 09:54.34 | nslater | Azar, yes but Debian could remove all non-free software if it wanted. |
| 09:54.52 | Azar | nslater: yes it could. And personally I would not cry about |
| 09:55.19 | nslater | Azar, and that would show more solidarity in the free software movement. Like gNewSense. |
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| 09:55.50 | Azar | nslater: not to worry, free hardware drivers are on their way... nouveau for example |
| 09:56.06 | nslater | Anyway, does anyone know of any system configuration software? |
| 09:57.05 | petemc | what kind of system? |
| 09:57.38 | nslater | GNU/Linux |
| 09:57.42 | sep | nslater, cfengine should be able to deal with almost anythnig |
| 09:58.02 | nslater | sep, thanks. |
| 09:58.11 | wigfreitz | does anyone know how I can setup another IP for my debian box? |
| 09:58.29 | petemc | wigfreitz: you can use ip aliasing, add an interface eth0:1 |
| 09:58.34 | Jello | somian: I've pasted it on http://pastebin.com/935861 , I wont flood anymore |
| 09:58.44 | petemc | wigfreitz: or use ip addr add to add an another address to eth0 |
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| 09:59.05 | wigfreitz | petemc: thanks muchly |
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| 10:00.41 | contajious | anyone can help with sound? |
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| 10:03.47 | wigfreitz | contajious: depends, noisy neighbors are a real bugger |
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| 10:04.47 | contajious | i compiled support for my card. i apt alsa-utils but it doesn't detect using alsaconf. |
| 10:05.29 | wigfreitz | petemc: do you have the exact syntax for this? |
| 10:05.46 | wigfreitz | debian:~# ip address add 89.106.176.226 eth0 |
| 10:05.46 | wigfreitz | Error: either "local" is duplicate, or "eth0" is a garbage. |
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| 10:10.26 | petemc | wigfreitz: ip addr add 1.2.3.4/24 dev eth0 |
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| 10:19.22 | larrywww | anyway to set a cron that will open a uncompress a .zip file and copy the contents of a certain file (the only file)? |
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| 10:19.24 | Ind[y] | A good DAV client? |
| 10:19.32 | larrywww | -open a |
| 10:19.38 | somian | A good NITE to you, Ind[y] |
| 10:19.53 | Ind[y] | somian: got it ;) |
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| 10:19.58 | somian | ooops I think I misread that :-) |
| 10:20.04 | Ind[y] | :P |
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| 10:20.26 | Ind[y] | somian: So, any nice DAV client? |
| 10:21.37 | somian | DAVExplorer? |
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| 10:22.07 | Ind[y] | somian: not in my repos |
| 10:23.23 | somian | Ahh, maybe you want fusedav really |
| 10:24.34 | somian | There's also cadaver |
| 10:24.57 | Ind[y] | somian: it is command line :-/ |
| 10:25.16 | liable | cadaver is quite an unfortunate name for an app.. |
| 10:25.21 | somian | DAVExplorer is Java, so... |
| 10:25.30 | somian | liable: I agree :) |
| 10:25.45 | Ind[y] | I can't find DAVExplorer in my repos |
| 10:25.47 | larrywww | anyway to set a cron that opens a local .zip file and copies a certain file within it? |
| 10:25.51 | larrywww | feasible? |
| 10:25.58 | liable | ewww |
| 10:26.04 | redduck666 | larrywww: unzip -d maybe. |
| 10:26.13 | redduck666 | ah, nvm, misunderstood. |
| 10:26.21 | somian | Ind[y]: my point is that it doesn't matter if you are motivated enough. It's Java. |
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| 10:26.41 | liable | larrywww: that just sounds incredibly wrong |
| 10:26.50 | larrywww | I need it done once per night |
| 10:26.58 | larrywww | PHP refreshes the file |
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| 10:27.16 | larrywww | but I can't get PHP to unzip it due to shared hosting and Zlib being disabled |
| 10:27.27 | larrywww | I do have access to cron though |
| 10:27.40 | wols | I need a suggestion for a log log or pagehist anaylzer program |
| 10:27.44 | wols | not awstats |
| 10:27.50 | petemc | visitors |
| 10:28.02 | wols | thanks |
| 10:28.08 | petemc | np |
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| 10:28.20 | liable | webalizer is another |
| 10:28.31 | petemc | larrywww: that could be done fairly easily, whats the problem? |
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| 10:28.48 | larrywww | just need to open a .zip file then copy a file inside it called pool.txt |
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| 10:28.55 | larrywww | once per night |
| 10:29.09 | petemc | yes, whats the problem? |
| 10:29.23 | larrywww | PHP doesn't let me so I need to use linux commands for a cron I believe |
| 10:29.35 | larrywww | I'm not sure how to do a nested linux command like this |
| 10:29.39 | liable | make a bash script that does it, then cron it |
| 10:29.45 | petemc | larrywww: a shell script is a just a text file with a list of linux commands |
| 10:29.55 | larrywww | with variables? |
| 10:29.59 | petemc | type out the commands required, one per line |
| 10:30.05 | petemc | you dont have to use variables |
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| 10:30.11 | petemc | they're there for your convenience |
| 10:30.35 | larrywww | copyfile("pool.txt",unzip("myzip.zip")) |
| 10:30.39 | larrywww | something like that? |
| 10:30.47 | petemc | no, that wouldnt work |
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| 10:31.13 | petemc | larrywww: pretend you're not writing a script, but trying to do it at the command line |
| 10:31.22 | larrywww | I'd have to use a variable |
| 10:31.38 | larrywww | maybe not... |
| 10:31.45 | larrywww | hmmm |
| 10:31.45 | petemc | if you say so |
| 10:32.54 | larrywww | what if I can't run a bash script? |
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| 10:33.20 | petemc | then perhaps you should seek out a more versatile hosting environment |
| 10:33.34 | wols | what you need should only need a single "zip file.zip pool.txt" or such |
| 10:33.38 | larrywww | I could run 3 crons in a row |
| 10:33.39 | wols | single line. not even a script |
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| 10:34.11 | liable | if you can run a cronjob, you can get it to run your bash script |
| 10:34.58 | wols | ah. unzipping. unzip -d targetdir file.zip pool.txt |
| 10:35.13 | wols | that extracts pool.txt from file.zip and copies it to wherever you want |
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| 10:41.49 | larrywww | so I set targetdir to /httpdocs/ |
| 10:41.53 | larrywww | ? |
| 10:42.27 | petemc | why dont you try it? |
| 10:42.31 | larrywww | I did |
| 10:42.34 | larrywww | nothing is happening |
| 10:42.35 | larrywww | unzip -d /httpdocs/ test.zip pool.txt |
| 10:42.42 | larrywww | tried that with 1 * * * * |
| 10:42.48 | larrywww | so every minute it goes |
| 10:43.07 | petemc | does the command work ok when you run it manually? |
| 10:43.21 | larrywww | I don't have access to command line |
| 10:43.27 | larrywww | this is Plesk |
| 10:43.56 | petemc | you might want to use absolute paths |
| 10:44.49 | somian | Can anyone explain to me what an "ascii key" is? |
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| 10:45.05 | petemc | somian: they key, in ascii text |
| 10:45.10 | petemc | rather than hex |
| 10:45.21 | petemc | s/they/the/ |
| 10:45.22 | somian | I don't get it |
| 10:45.31 | somian | hex is ascii text |
| 10:45.44 | petemc | you're perhaps thinking about it too much |
| 10:45.52 | petemc | normal people dont know wtf hex is |
| 10:46.06 | petemc | probably not acsii either, for that matter |
| 10:46.20 | somian | A "key" is basically a sequence of bytes, right? |
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| 10:46.43 | petemc | this isnt a discussion im too interested in having.. |
| 10:46.46 | liable | somian: its not hard. do you know the hex string or the ascci string? |
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| 10:47.17 | somian | So the bytes are always restricted to the ascii charset? Why would we need to represent them in hex? |
| 10:47.37 | liable | go whine on the kernel mailing list |
| 10:47.42 | somian | And if they aren't restricted to the ascii charset, *how* can we represent them in ascii? |
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| 10:48.26 | somian | It's a logical conundrum. |
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| 10:48.43 | ma3x | I just did rar a directory/ and it was adding the files, said all ok but no .rar output how come? |
| 10:48.57 | boodie | Hi - I have an AMD64 - has anyone succesfully installed nspluginwrapper? |
| 10:49.02 | liable | no, its simple. you feed iwconfig the hex key or an ascii string. thats it. nothing more. nothing less |
| 10:50.09 | ma3x | boodie, install i386 debian |
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| 10:50.45 | boodie | ma3x: I've etch 64 bit on |
| 10:50.48 | liable | somian: wep keys *are* restricted to ascii chars as are wpa keys |
| 10:51.04 | ma3x | boodie, i understand, that's what im telling you reinstall with etch 32 bit |
| 10:51.05 | liable | what the hell do you want to represent them by? |
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| 10:51.59 | boodie | ma3x: No, I'd rather wait ... but I tried nspluginwrapper and it's not into the packages, no wonder it doesn't work |
| 10:52.12 | Azar | good morning honorable liable |
| 10:52.20 | CaspeR-Bz | hello! I have a problem... Some time ago I removed apache,php and mysql from my debian and deleted their folders. Now when I want to install again they don`t work :((( |
| 10:52.33 | liable | hola Azar |
| 10:52.38 | ma3x | boodie, ive been bothering quite long with amd64, it's not worth it as a platform |
| 10:53.15 | boodie | ma3x: Hmmm. so you wiped it off in favor of i386 |
| 10:53.28 | ma3x | boodie, of course, %100 more efficient |
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| 10:54.15 | boodie | ma3x: let's say that having spent the money for a 64 bit machine I'm reluctant to admit it was a waste |
| 10:54.35 | ma3x | boodie, amd? |
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| 10:54.54 | boodie | ma3x: yes |
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| 10:55.21 | ma3x | boodie, all their machine over xp2600+ are 64 bit I think |
| 10:55.31 | ma3x | so it's not waste, it's the standard |
| 10:55.41 | boodie | ma3x: I pondered whether to buy a 2nd hand pentium and the hell with it |
| 10:56.18 | ma3x | boodie, amd's the right choice :) |
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| 10:57.32 | ma3x | boodie, but again, don't bother with the 64 bit platform. i did for too long |
| 10:57.35 | Azar | boodie: when I get my hardware the number one requirement is: hardware that works with any OS (forget about Macs here). |
| 10:57.51 | boodie | ma3x: but then, considering that the PCs are not so expensive nowadays, a good 2nd hand machine, say, for 400 - 500 euros, no guarantee, trouble in finding spare parts, I want for a new |
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| 10:58.39 | boodie | Azar: AMD64 does fine for me with WinXP and etch64, only no flash |
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| 10:59.19 | Azar | boodie: well yes, personally I do not love much the 64 it seems like software are hard to catch up with it |
| 10:59.21 | ma3x | boodie, you can install chroot if you want, but again it's better to reinstall with debian-i386 |
| 10:59.49 | Azar | ... but then again an old amd32 is more and more hard to find |
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| 11:00.08 | boodie | Which is a Window$ Vista problem, too, I gather: it's macromediocre not having laid a 64 bit version of their soft ... problem is a de facto standard |
| 11:00.08 | ma3x | correct, they don't produce them anymore |
| 11:00.26 | Azar | by the time software catches up, amd craps an 128bit.. |
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| 11:01.03 | boodie | Yep - the hardware development is faster than the software |
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| 11:01.35 | boodie | OK - bye for now |
| 11:01.38 | euthyrox_lover | hello |
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| 11:04.27 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 11:04.27 | dpkg | methinks qotd133 is <Atula> I was wondering if someone can tell me how to write the fstab for the tape drive |
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| 11:06.50 | Azar | hehe |
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| 11:08.49 | meteor-1500 | hi - trying to setup a usb flash key to boot 4.0 netinst |
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| 11:09.17 | meteor-1500 | done the syslinux but can't find the vmlinuz initrd.gz and syslinux.cfg on the debian netinst cd to copy to it |
| 11:09.31 | meteor-1500 | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en <- following "the flexible way" instructions here |
| 11:10.29 | meteor-1500 | err sorry only chasing the syslinux.cfg now lol |
| 11:11.16 | nvz | meteor-1500: well you would create the syslinux.cfg it says how to do that and what it should contain |
| 11:11.17 | liable | meteor-1500: those files should be available on the net |
| 11:11.22 | liable | sec |
| 11:11.34 | nvz | meteor-1500: as for the kernel and initrd.gz you should be able to find them on the ISO image |
| 11:11.37 | redduck666 | meteor-1500: use debchroot ? |
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| 11:12.50 | meteor-1500 | yep i've got the kernel and initrd, and reading the syslinux man page, but looking for a sample syslinux.cfg |
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| 11:13.00 | meteor-1500 | redduck666: does that create one? |
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| 11:14.13 | meteor-1500 | ah found a usbkey readme in the syslinux distrib lol |
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| 11:15.15 | liable | hrm the hd-media stuff used to have a syslinux file |
| 11:15.26 | nvz | I've never booted linux without a video card, that wouldn't cause any problems would it? this box I am taking to the borough building to setup as the webserver was at one time a sound/production gaming rig.. now its fairly outdated but I dont want to leave the video/sound hardware in it |
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| 11:16.15 | nvz | I don't figure linux would care I just don't know if the PC may act funny as it doesnt have onboard video only this agp card |
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| 11:16.58 | Ind[y] | How can I make a .deb file for my Python program? |
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| 11:17.20 | Azar | nvz I guess it would automatically detect and use the onboard |
| 11:17.36 | nvz | Ind[y]: follow the guides on the debian.org/devel |
| 11:17.46 | nvz | Azar: it has no onboard video |
| 11:17.55 | Azar | oh.. no video at all? |
| 11:17.59 | nvz | Azar: none |
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| 11:18.18 | Azar | nvz: so when you boot you will not be able to read if it went ok or not? |
| 11:18.19 | h3sp4wn | nvz: Linux has no problem with it |
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| 11:18.38 | Ind[y] | ok |
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| 11:18.49 | Azar | the display will not show anything.. |
| 11:18.50 | h3sp4wn | (BIOS might refuse to boot - (forget the beep code) |
| 11:18.58 | h3sp4wn | Azar: Serial console |
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| 11:19.10 | nvz | Azar: well I'm not going to be reading it anyhow, its gonna be under the secretary's deskt with nothing but a power cord and a net cable |
| 11:19.34 | Azar | h3sp4wn: yes but even so... you need to have a visual of the boot .. hardware, loaded modules..etc |
| 11:19.42 | nvz | Azar: I will administer it through ssh and the web"masters" will be using FTP, and anyone else will be accessing it via apache :P |
| 11:19.55 | Azar | hehe oh yes, yes that is cool |
| 11:20.03 | nvz | Its an AMD-755 chipset board |
| 11:20.04 | h3sp4wn | Azar: The only bit you would miss would be the bios part - from grub onwards you can have it all sent to the serial port |
| 11:20.08 | nvz | old SLOT A system |
| 11:20.33 | Azar | tehee, really old |
| 11:20.49 | Azar | I used to have a Tandy with that specs |
| 11:20.55 | xand | nvz: ftp? you want it to get owned then? ;P |
| 11:20.58 | nvz | I don't know how far this Athlon 800 w/256 meg of ram will get us.. but I'm not on council till next year and I can't hardly budget a server right now I just want to put something in place so the Vol Fire Dept can get a site up |
| 11:21.12 | nvz | xand: ugh.. I talked to my dad about that.. the insecurities of FTP |
| 11:21.38 | nvz | xand: he uses some shitty windows program that publishes via FTP for the borough site.. right now |
| 11:21.53 | nvz | xand: I thought maybe doing a VPN and samba might be better |
| 11:22.10 | nvz | xand: then their shitty web tools can publish to a mounted network drive |
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| 11:23.14 | nvz | xand: I just don't have any experience with VPN or know what software to use either on the linux/server or windows/client side |
| 11:23.24 | nvz | I assume windows has VPN software built in |
| 11:23.51 | xand | nvz: it does, but there's many types of VPN servers and I don't know what on linux would work with it |
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| 11:24.20 | nvz | well I just need a windows/linux compatible way of securly uploading web content |
| 11:24.49 | nvz | I know ftp is insecure but if there arent any vulernabilities in the web server or ftp server I don't see what compromising an FTP login would really do anyhow |
| 11:25.20 | liable | whats wrong with ssh |
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| 11:25.46 | nvz | I'd need a way to do it from windows easily enough my father could understand |
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| 11:25.56 | h3sp4wn | Where is the page for request for packaging of apps ? (fed up with alsa's lack of care with ice17xx - oss drivers are now GPL) |
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| 11:26.08 | jeremy_g | where is the fstab in debian |
| 11:26.10 | jeremy_g | dont you have it? |
| 11:26.13 | nvz | I don't know of a free scp client for window much less one that would integrate with stupidity.. i.e. WYSIWYG publishing tools |
| 11:26.17 | jeremy_g | cant find it in /etc |
| 11:26.19 | liable | nvz: i got my sister who is really very technically challenged quite happily using winscp with keys |
| 11:27.18 | hark | !wnpp |
| 11:27.18 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp. |
| 11:27.27 | nvz | the guy working on the fire dept site is a little more apt.. and worst case scenario for my dad I could have him send content through the LAN to my linux box then I could securely relay it across the internet |
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| 11:28.30 | h3sp4wn | hark: Thanks alot |
| 11:28.39 | liable | and the nice thing is, you can limit a ssh account to ftp only |
| 11:28.45 | nvz | I'd prefer to only have ports 22 and 80 for SSH and HTTP open |
| 11:29.03 | liable | winscp ftw |
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| 11:29.29 | yangvnc | I wonder what this "parport" error means - http://paste.debian.net/31322 |
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| 11:30.27 | neil_ | Hullo guys.. |
| 11:30.33 | neil_ | what kernel version does debian use atm? |
| 11:30.47 | yangvnc | neil_: stable - etch uses 2.6.18 |
| 11:30.49 | redduck666 | neil_: packages.debian.org is your friend |
| 11:30.55 | neil_ | thanks guys |
| 11:31.01 | neil_ | thinking of moving over to debian from ubuntu |
| 11:31.09 | nvz | liable: I'll have to learn more about whatever this macro-crap web editor is capable of my dad uses.. he already has the borough site hosted remotely somewhere but the admin loses data often and his site reports virus issues on McAfee boxes.. heh so idk we need to be running our own site.. especially since the borough building has a business account through their ISP and we can be hosting it at no additional cost |
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| 11:31.37 | yangvnc | neil_: and sid - unstable uses newer kernel |
| 11:31.37 | lvh | hi. |
| 11:32.49 | nvz | I'm not even sure what his development tool is called, but its what he's used to.. the damn thing doesnt even seem to understand that websites are made from HTML as it has no way to view the source.. it thinks websites are like MS Word documents or something that are some propriatary binary format or something |
| 11:32.56 | liable | nvz: hrm, I was only suggesting winscp for him to upload shit from a windows box to a linux one easily and securely. for the other shit, i put my hands over my ears and yel "La La La" :P |
| 11:33.29 | nvz | liable: heh.. yeah well he doesnt even know he's doing any of that.. his development tools do it automagically via ftp |
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| 11:34.20 | lvh | clearly websites are made in text/plain mime types :p |
| 11:34.27 | somian | nvz: I remember those bad old days |
| 11:34.28 | liable | nvz: can he not make the files and upload them manually? automagic ftp is wrong |
| 11:34.46 | nvz | liable: the extra step would probably baffle the shit out of him. he already handed me b.s. when I told him FTP is highly insecure. Ignorant people think security is about them personally and how much they care about their data and if they got nothing to hide they dont care |
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| 11:36.19 | somian | nvz: sounds like some manual intervention may really be quite necessary ;-( |
| 11:36.20 | liable | nvz: you're pretty much fucked, all I have to deal with is making sure my family pictures get to the right directory. I would never let a family member have real access to a web server |
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| 11:36.49 | nvz | heh.. well he's not planning on switching to this server directly anyhow.. he's ignorant to change in general |
| 11:36.50 | somian | nvz: like, he has to upload to your linux box, which is running the tightest possible ftpd, and then you do stuff |
| 11:37.05 | nvz | I'll figure out some way to make it seem seemless to him when the time comes |
| 11:37.18 | nvz | as for the fire dept developer, I can make him use SSH he's not a moron |
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| 11:37.51 | nvz | right now I gotta go down there and make sure we got access to the router else taking this box down there now is pointless |
| 11:37.53 | BlueParrot | I can't get the nvidia drivers to start, dmesg says they load but X claims the module does not exist ... |
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| 11:38.00 | somian | nvz: I hate to suggest it because of the additional work for you, but you might want to run something like HTML-Tidy on his wretched M$-produces HTML files before they get uploaded to the real server. |
| 11:38.17 | wols | BlueParrot: different glx and kernel module versions. check your corg.log |
| 11:38.19 | nvz | the secretary is on vacation this week and chances are nobody knows the password to the router anyhow.. heh I'm probably gonna have to guess |
| 11:38.23 | somian | nvz: obvously such a thing could be rather automated via scripting. |
| 11:38.29 | wols | *xorg.log. also check it's actually loaded with lsmod |
| 11:39.11 | nvz | somian: yeah I intend to teach him the power of scripting.. he's uploading images all the time and lacks any gallery/tumbnailing ability which is making the site quite cluttered and bothersome to navigate |
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| 11:39.26 | somian | nvz: right |
| 11:39.39 | redcliffe | hi - i'm trying to boot netinst from a usb key, got it to boot, but it's not finding my iso image from the key |
| 11:40.04 | nvz | well I'm going down to see if I can get into the router and find a place to tuck this box in a corner |
| 11:40.09 | BlueParrot | wols, lsmod gives, nvidia <large number> 0 |
| 11:40.16 | somian | redcliffe: various BIOSes can be really dodgy trying to do that |
| 11:40.16 | redcliffe | it gets to the detect and mount cd-rom stage, and there is none because i'm trying to install off a key |
| 11:40.26 | redcliffe | somian: well it's booted fine |
| 11:40.29 | redcliffe | i'm in debian installer |
| 11:40.47 | somian | Ahh, I misunderstood, redcliffe |
| 11:41.18 | wols | BlueParrot: then it's loaded |
| 11:41.19 | redcliffe | np |
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| 11:41.44 | redcliffe | so yeah i'm just at the point of trying to get debinstaller to find the netinst iso i put on the key |
| 11:41.56 | somian | Yeah |
| 11:42.02 | BlueParrot | wols, in Xorg.log I get "failed to load module NVIDIA, module does not exist" |
| 11:42.11 | redcliffe | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en <= following instructions under 4.4.2 |
| 11:42.16 | wols | BlueParrot: how did you install? |
| 11:42.25 | BlueParrot | module assistant |
| 11:42.31 | BlueParrot | tried without it as well, no difference |
| 11:42.35 | wols | BlueParrot: then did you install the glx? |
| 11:42.42 | BlueParrot | yes |
| 11:42.45 | wols | ah, you run sid or lenny? |
| 11:42.55 | BlueParrot | oh, yea sorry, I'm on lenny |
| 11:42.55 | wols | !btssmite BlueParrot |
| 11:42.58 | BlueParrot | should have said |
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| 11:44.12 | BlueParrot | heh, ok |
| 11:44.37 | BlueParrot | first time it is actually not just me doing somethingw rong then : ) |
| 11:44.49 | BlueParrot | except perhaps running testing rather than stable ... |
| 11:45.06 | user1_ | what's lenny |
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| 11:45.20 | wols | !lenny |
| 11:45.20 | dpkg | from memory, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
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| 11:46.20 | user1_ | dpkg, etch->lenny |
| 11:46.21 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
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| 11:48.15 | redcliffe | anyone installed from a usbkey here? i can't get debian installer to detect the iso file i put on the key... |
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| 11:49.47 | AntiInit | did you dd the file or just copy it over? |
| 11:50.41 | redcliffe | well the instructions say copy the iso to the key |
| 11:50.48 | redcliffe | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en#usb-add-iso |
| 11:51.00 | redcliffe | i've got it booting to debian installer, but not finding the iso |
| 11:51.11 | yangvnc | redcliffe: why dont you use netboot or cdrom installation? |
| 11:51.32 | redcliffe | don't have a cd in the machine, can't find the netboot initrd.gz |
| 11:51.43 | massctrl | Guys, i have a standard debian install here, and my logfiles are rotated, such as messages, mail, kern, user, dpkg but logrotate.conf doesn't contain that nor logrotate.d/ where is this stuff configured anyway ? |
| 11:51.53 | yangvnc | redcliffe: netboots are there in he section other methods |
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| 11:52.28 | somian | redcliffe: it's a worthy thing to figure out. Cannot help but suggest to you that Web fora and Mailing lists are often more fruitful than irc inquiries. |
| 11:53.07 | redcliffe | yep |
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| 11:53.42 | steinchen | hi |
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| 11:54.37 | steinchen | how do i resend the postfix mailq ? just 'postdrop' ? got mails which havnet been delivered because of an amavisd-new update |
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| 11:55.33 | massctrl | steinchen: postqueue -f |
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| 11:57.57 | steinchen | and resend? dont want them flushed |
| 11:58.48 | steinchen | ah ic |
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| 11:59.57 | massctrl | man postqueue |
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| 12:00.06 | steinchen | ty |
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| 12:01.55 | massctrl | anyone knows where logrotaton of /var/log/messages is defined? It's rotating but not configured in etc/logrotate.conf nor /etc/logrotate.d/* |
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| 12:02.14 | stew | massctrl: /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
| 12:02.41 | bloo_sky | I used to have a utility that reported the keycode of the key that was pressed, I can't find it anymore, anyone know what it is/was? |
| 12:03.00 | stew | bloo_sky: xev |
| 12:03.15 | bloo_sky | stew: I think you could be right, thank you. |
| 12:04.04 | HostilePenguin | anyone know why scrolling with beryl causes xorg to use 100%cpu?using open ati driver? |
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| 12:05.30 | nmee | I'm writing a small shell script to clean up a number of backups. I have a lot of folders called e.g. "2007-06-24", and I want to delete all folders which have a date more than 7 days old. The folders modification time can vary, so I can't use "find -mtime"... any suggestions? |
| 12:05.46 | massctrl | stew: ok thanks for that one, but why isn't this centralized into /etc/logrotate.conf? When I look a little further, I can't find the logrotation definition for /var/log/mail,... |
| 12:06.09 | nmee | The main problem is how I can compare the folder name (in $current_folder) against the current date (which I have in $today) |
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| 12:07.06 | markusN | Hi, after a system crash (no idea why, oom-error) on Debian 3.1 I don't get apache running any more. '/etc/init.d/apache start' starts, creates /var/run/apache.pid but no process is there. How to track this problem down? |
| 12:07.27 | nmee | markusN: check apaches error log |
| 12:07.44 | dererk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:08.08 | dererk | Sorry :) |
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| 12:08.46 | litage | is anyone else having troubles going to gmail? i keep getting this error: Could not connect to host mail.google.com |
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| 12:09.03 | markusN | nmee: pid file /var/run/apache.pid overwritten - even if I clean it beforehand |
| 12:09.07 | stew | massctrl: it will rotate /var/log/mail* if they show up in "syslogd-listfiles -a" |
| 12:09.12 | dererk | using pop or gotmail ? |
| 12:10.10 | stew | massctrl: one problem with rotating the syslog logfiles via logrotate, is that whenever you edit the syslog.conf, the files that you log to could change. the way it is currently working, if you add new logfies via syslog.conf, they still gt rotated |
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| 12:12.09 | sep | is there a kde bittorrent klient |
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| 12:13.07 | nmee | markusN: no other errors? |
| 12:13.11 | wols | !torrent |
| 12:13.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, torrent is apt-cache search torrent and then pick a package you like, install it and read its documentation |
| 12:13.17 | CharminTheMoose | <Web2.0Police>Now there is a fine example of the de-evolution of humankind/language! congratulations sep! you are an example for the human race!<Web2.0Police> |
| 12:13.23 | flami | sep maybe try qbittorrent ( not in debian but they have unofficial repos ) |
| 12:14.10 | flami | CharminTheMoose, h4xX0r d0od |
| 12:14.55 | markusN | nmee: no other error. That's why I am confused |
| 12:15.01 | CharminTheMoose | bah |
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| 12:17.08 | sep | ktorrent will do fine. seams apt-cache search torrent != aptitude search torrent |
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| 12:17.41 | markusN | nmee: apachectl configtest reports ok |
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| 12:17.56 | markusN | and it worked before and wasn't touched for weeks |
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| 12:18.37 | euthyrox_lover | I have Question: does anyone know some program to midi files ? |
| 12:18.37 | mountain | nmee: Possibly not the most elegant way, but will give you the difference in whole days between the dates; |
| 12:18.50 | mountain | nmee: mountain@slim:~$ today='2007-06-26' current_folder='2007-04-26' echo $((($(date -d $today +%s) - $(date -d $current_folder +%s)) / 86400)) |
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| 12:19.10 | speeves | markusN: can you change Loglevel to debug in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf? |
| 12:19.17 | speeves | then try restarting it? |
| 12:19.46 | speeves | also, try using the /usr/sbin/apache2 binary as well |
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| 12:19.57 | speeves | that way you aren't pushing through shell scripts |
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| 12:22.16 | apt_get | Hi |
| 12:22.18 | nmee | mountain: nice, thanks :) |
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| 12:22.28 | apt_get | what's the package for java-bin? |
| 12:22.32 | markusN | speeves: I am afraid that this is apache 1.x |
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| 12:23.32 | speeves | markusN: try the same things |
| 12:23.47 | speeves | just replace the apache2 stuff with apache 1.3 stuff |
| 12:24.10 | speeves | not sure, but what about /etc/default/apache? |
| 12:25.23 | markusN | speeves: ok, doing so |
| 12:25.29 | speeves | cool |
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| 12:25.57 | markusN | speeves: same error, nothing esle |
| 12:26.47 | massctrl | stew: ok, where is this configured that every file listed with "syslogd-listfiles -a" gets rotated ? |
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| 12:33.14 | stew | massctrl: /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
| 12:33.36 | apt_get | I have doubt in free-java-sdk or sun-java5-bin. What's the right and best java-bin ? |
| 12:34.05 | stew | apt_get: what do you mean by right and best? |
| 12:34.21 | massctrl | stew: ah crap, yeah ok,.. got it, ... I think debian has quite a strange approach towards this whole logrotation process,... thanks man,.. |
| 12:34.47 | apt_get | hmm.. i need to run a aplication only in java |
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| 12:35.10 | redduck666 | apt_get: you probably want sun java. |
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| 12:40.18 | apt_get | ok |
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| 12:42.23 | apt_get | whats the deb line to add in apt/sources.list for non-free packages? |
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| 12:43.48 | cast | apt_get: add non-free to the end of the line |
| 12:43.57 | cast | 'main contrib non-free' |
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| 12:48.20 | fasta | Can I use mv to move multiple files to the same location? |
| 12:48.20 | apt_get | tkz |
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| 12:48.48 | redduck666 | fasta: yes. |
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| 12:49.02 | redduck666 | mv serveral files that will be moved to dir |
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| 12:49.35 | fasta | redduck666: right SOURCE(s) |
| 12:49.40 | fasta | redduck666: I missed that part. Thanks |
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| 12:50.21 | tuliox | hi |
| 12:50.46 | tuliox | i need some help changing the vertical refresh rate |
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| 12:51.19 | tuliox | i worte 85.0 - 85.0 at xorg.conf |
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| 12:51.41 | tuliox | the kde says it is set to 1024x768@85, but the monitor really is at 60hz |
| 12:51.54 | cast | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is a preferable way to edit xorg.conf imho |
| 12:52.17 | doudou | Is there a channel for User Mode Linux? |
| 12:52.25 | cast | is this a 15" monitor? |
| 12:52.27 | tuliox | xorg is already configured |
| 12:52.37 | xand | doudou: why ask here? |
| 12:52.44 | tuliox | i know wich resolution and refresh rate my monitor support, kthx |
| 12:53.04 | doudou | xand, i have always got best answers here |
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| 12:53.13 | xand | doudou: try ##linux or /list, or /join |
| 12:53.26 | doudou | xand, thx |
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| 12:54.21 | pflanze | Hello. If I want to have an emergency boot volume, which supposedly does have to have it's own /boot volume, how should I configure grub so that the starting grub knows about all boot volumes? |
| 12:54.35 | AaronW | hey guys, I removed apache2 using apt then manually deleted the /etc/apache2 dir, does anyone know how to force apt to restore the contents of /etc/apache2 when I reinstall ? |
| 12:54.38 | pflanze | e.g. I have 2 different /boot volumes, both usually with a .grub dir. |
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| 12:54.59 | nikolavp | what is the package i need to install to get mp3 support in amarok |
| 12:55.10 | nikolavp | i used to have that support but after the new update it is gone :( |
| 12:55.17 | redduck666 | pflanze: usually multiple distros can share the same /boot (assuming it is separate partition). |
| 12:55.29 | pflanze | AaronW: see the --purge option to dpkg |
| 12:55.37 | redduck666 | AaronW: it does that by default. |
| 12:55.59 | pflanze | redduck666: but uhm there's a name conflict: initrd's of the same name, but different contents. |
| 12:56.12 | hark | AaronW: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 12:56.27 | tuliox | how do i install the driver for the: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266] ? |
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| 12:57.19 | stew | AaronW: what hard said, but note that the config files are actually owned by either apache2-common or apache2.2-common, not by apache2 |
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| 12:57.36 | redduck666 | pflanze: if you have that than you can't share the /boot. usually the naming conventions & release times of distros differ enaugh to share /boot. |
| 12:57.51 | tuliox | u guys dont help, this is lame =( |
| 12:58.01 | Ronin | tuliox: learn patience |
| 12:58.06 | pflanze | redduck666: it's both debian etch. But one on an encrypted partition, so requiring different initrd. |
| 12:58.12 | redduck666 | Ronin: or better, he needs to read :) |
| 12:58.21 | Ronin | and iirc someone told you how to reconfigure x all ready |
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| 12:59.18 | AaronW | thanks guys ill give that a shot |
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| 12:59.23 | tuliox | how do i install the driver for the: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266] ? |
| 12:59.43 | stew | tuliox: aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-s3 |
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| 12:59.47 | tuliox | xorg says my currently driver is vesa, and i think its the main source of my problem |
| 12:59.57 | tuliox | ok, after installing this package |
| 13:00.02 | tuliox | what should i change and where |
| 13:00.21 | stew | tuliox: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 13:00.35 | tuliox | nah, im afraid of that |
| 13:00.47 | stew | tuliox: then /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 13:01.04 | tuliox | and change what ? |
| 13:01.15 | stew | tuliox: your video driver |
| 13:01.21 | stew | isn't that what you asked? |
| 13:01.22 | tuliox | change vesa to s3 ? |
| 13:01.37 | Ronin | youre afraid of doing it with reconfigure and would rather manually edit it? heh |
| 13:01.38 | redduck666 | pflanze: i misunderstood your original question :/. what is wrong with simply adding lines to grub.conf/menu.lst about other instance? |
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| 13:01.55 | pflanze | redduck666: ok. |
| 13:01.56 | tuliox | Ronin: exactly, i dont trust those scripts =p |
| 13:02.28 | stew | tuliox: actually, there is a xserver-xorg-video-savage driver named savage |
| 13:02.34 | Ronin | whatever floats your boat i guess but if you like doing it the hard way etc. |
| 13:03.06 | tuliox | ill try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg lol |
| 13:03.18 | cast | kthx. |
| 13:03.48 | tuliox | it is asking for the identifier |
| 13:04.06 | tuliox | ProSavage8 KM266? |
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| 13:04.44 | stew | tuliox: doesn't matter |
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| 13:08.03 | yetifoot | is there a way to audit all suggested packages, in the same way i can for recommended? |
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| 13:10.56 | cast | recommended is stronger than suggests, and aptitude grabs them by default |
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| 13:11.03 | missa2 | about packages : why linux-headers are not dependencies of the proprietary nvidia driver ? |
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| 13:11.20 | cast | i think the definition goes recommended enhance a package, suggested are nice to use with a package |
| 13:12.21 | redduck666 | cast: ah, thanks |
| 13:12.22 | stew | missa2: becuase linux-headers are speicific to a particular kernel, so there is no way for the nvidia driver packager to know what kernel you are going to be running |
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| 13:12.47 | speeves | markusN: what is the error again? |
| 13:12.57 | missa2 | there is no way with post install script to do that ? |
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| 13:13.17 | nukeu666 | hi, im working on bash 2.03, when i do a ps -eaf, some lines are too long and get truncated...how can i make them wordwrap? |
| 13:13.32 | CyberMad | what is the best free for call accounting that read from SMDR? |
| 13:13.37 | redduck666 | nukeu666: 'w' 'ww' if it doesn't help. |
| 13:13.44 | stew | missa2: to do what exactly? |
| 13:13.49 | markusN | speeves: still [Mon Jun 25 15:10:17 2007] [warn] pid file /var/run/apache.pid overwritten -- Unclean shutdown of previous Apache run? |
| 13:13.55 | cast | 'Recommends...Use this for packages that are not strictly nec. but are typically used with your program" "Suggets"...Use this for packages with will work nicely with your program but are not at all neccessary" |
| 13:13.58 | markusN | speeves: happens also after reinstall of apache |
| 13:14.36 | missa2 | stew : to detect the kernel version in order to install the linux-headers |
| 13:15.17 | stew | missa2: but it is not a requirement that you use a debian compiled kernel, or one that comes from a package, its very likely that no such linux-headers package exists |
| 13:15.34 | stew | missa2: there are other valid ways of installing kernels and their related headers |
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| 13:17.50 | missa2 | stew: well, i see how hard it is... |
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| 13:18.59 | stew | missa2: if you are going to be sticking with packaged kernels, then using m-a, the headers are installed for you automatically when you run m-a prepare |
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| 13:20.37 | pflanze | <low mode>What dispiteous sh*t is the PC partition format or what?</low mode> I have 2 primary and 2 logical partitions, and 165GB free disk space. cfdisk will not let me create another (smaller than 165GB) partition without loosing the rest of the disk. |
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| 13:21.32 | speeves | markusN: have you disabled all of the loadable modules and vhosts? |
| 13:21.50 | quitte | pflanze: is there free space between the primary and the extended partition? |
| 13:21.55 | markusN | speeves: not yet |
| 13:21.59 | missa2 | I ve heard from RMS that ATI is going to release specifications... is that true ? i want to play with compiz :( |
| 13:22.10 | speeves | markusN: can you restart it with the default httpd.conf? |
| 13:22.14 | pflanze | quitte: there are 2 free spaces. One between, and one big at the end. |
| 13:22.18 | speeves | plain deb package defualt |
| 13:22.20 | speeves | lt |
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| 13:23.06 | quitte | pflanze: well, then you have to either move the extended partiotn or make another primary and a logical |
| 13:23.13 | pflanze | quitte: the first is from a former boot partition (80M), I'm glad to sacrifice that space if it helps me getting out. *But* even if I select a new *bigger* partition (like 100M) from the *latter* free space, it locks the rest up into unusable. |
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| 13:24.00 | quitte | pflanze: i'm not sure it'll help. but the gparted livecd is a very nice tool |
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| 13:25.12 | pflanze | Question: is there *any* reason for using primary partitions? WinXP even asked me whether it should choose primary or logical, and I thought let's give windows a primary one, probably less risky. |
| 13:25.32 | pflanze | Now I wonder if I should create a primary partition ever again. |
| 13:25.47 | pflanze | Just poke grub into the MBR. |
| 13:26.15 | pflanze | Then live with only logical ones. Is this possible? |
| 13:26.18 | cast | i have the same question, almost, if there any reason to use logical? |
| 13:26.27 | pflanze | cast: there are only 4 primary. |
| 13:26.33 | h3sp4wn | pflanze: You would have to make extended take up the full disk |
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| 13:26.52 | markusN | speeves: cool, works |
| 13:27.02 | h3sp4wn | Dunno about dos / windows but linux has no problem with that |
| 13:27.03 | markusN | now I have at least working binaries back |
| 13:27.07 | markusN | speeves: now I |
| 13:27.08 | nofxxx | pflanze, 3.. you need the 4 one to be extended.. xD |
| 13:27.15 | cast | since i use lvm the most ill use is 4, even if its dual boot [/boot, pv, swap, windows] |
| 13:27.17 | markusN | speeves: now I'll play with my (untouched) config again |
| 13:27.20 | speeves | so it is a change in how apache is reading your conf files |
| 13:27.27 | speeves | cool |
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| 13:27.43 | speeves | i hate it when you aren't getting anything back from apache :( |
| 13:27.49 | speeves | i'm glad you got it figured out |
| 13:28.02 | pflanze | nofxxx / cast: exactly. And even worse, there are unexplainable situations where you have 2 real primary and one for logical space and cannot use the logical space. |
| 13:28.07 | CyberMad | what this error mean? cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.pbx.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/pbx login Logging in to :pserver:anonymous@cvs.pbx.sourceforge.net:2401/cvsroot/pbx CVS password: cvs [login aborted]: connect to cvs.pbx.sourceforge.net(66.35.250.209):2401 failed: No route to host |
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| 13:28.41 | redduck666 | CyberMad: screwed routing table? |
| 13:28.49 | speeves | CyberMad: this is not the sourceforge room, but it means that your machine cant find cvs.pbx.sourceforge.net |
| 13:29.00 | markusN | speeves: me, too. Feeling better now |
| 13:29.11 | speeves | markusN: cool :) |
| 13:29.12 | markusN | speeves, nmee thanks for your support |
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| 13:29.33 | CyberMad | ok |
| 13:29.43 | nofxxx | pflanze, dunno if this is the best but i use [ntfs][swap][reiserfs][extended] |
| 13:31.05 | pflanze | nofxxx: and you've never run into my situation where you can't divide the extended into locical partitions anymore? |
| 13:31.22 | pflanze | that's my problem; it never happened to me until now. |
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| 13:32.01 | pflanze | and not even deleting that swap (or in my case boot) partition helps me get back dividability of the extended partition anymore. |
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| 13:33.13 | nofxxx | pflanze, hmm wait... you cant divide the extended in logical ones |
| 13:34.03 | pflanze | Maybe it's just cfdisk which is junk. |
| 13:34.15 | nofxxx | my extended is divided in 4 in that scenario... dont know the name of the division..but I guess its not logical |
| 13:34.29 | somian | doggon terminology of partitioning is so confusing. |
| 13:34.34 | niru | what for are defomized font packages |
| 13:35.03 | nofxxx | try fdisk |
| 13:35.12 | pflanze | yes, that's what I'm now doing. |
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| 13:36.23 | pflanze | well, fdisk just says "No free sectors available" when I try to create a logical partition. |
| 13:36.59 | pflanze | prolly going to have to burn that gparted disk? /me googling |
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| 13:37.23 | abrotman | fdisk -l <disk> |
| 13:38.22 | pflanze | abrotman: shows that hda3 is unused. 1,2,4,5,6,7 are used. |
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| 13:39.08 | pflanze | hda2 is extended. hda1 is hpfs/ntfs. hda4 is linux (a root volume). |
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| 13:41.12 | Arwen | can I give a specific repository priority over other ones? i.e. packages available in multiple repositories get downloaded from that one instead of the others. |
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| 13:42.04 | Southern | Hi |
| 13:42.08 | romano2k | hi everyone! i'm having trouble with cron on my debian. i receive this mail several times a day: http://pastebin.com/935972 |
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| 13:43.07 | h3sp4wn | Arwen: Is it a debian official repository or third party - either way take a look at man apt_preferences |
| 13:43.11 | speeves | Arwen: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 13:43.12 | abrotman | romano2k: english ? |
| 13:43.18 | Arwen | speeves, thank you |
| 13:43.22 | speeves | Arwen: check out section 3.8 |
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| 13:43.39 | tuliox | hi |
| 13:43.44 | tuliox | i had a bunch of problems, :) |
| 13:43.52 | tuliox | with xorg lawl |
| 13:44.18 | tuliox | well im using the savage drivers now, i ran reconfigure xserver-xorg -_-, but i still cant force 1024x768@85 |
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| 13:44.31 | somian | Elvish maidens have no problems that mortals can solve. |
| 13:44.39 | fasta | How can I see whether the machine I am on has Wake On Lan? |
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| 13:44.47 | Pc_Dark | on the debian etch 4 cd |
| 13:44.50 | Pc_Dark | should I download cd-21 |
| 13:44.52 | Pc_Dark | or cd-20 |
| 13:44.53 | Pc_Dark | or what |
| 13:44.55 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 13:44.55 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 13:45.06 | tuliox | what? u only need CD1 |
| 13:45.07 | tuliox | lol |
| 13:45.09 | somian | fasta: I should say by examination of the bios at boot time. |
| 13:45.13 | Pc_Dark | im downloading the torrent |
| 13:45.26 | mue | lol, i finally got my floppy workin: mknod /dev/fd0 b 2 0 |
| 13:45.27 | Pc_Dark | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r0-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 13:45.29 | Pc_Dark | is that right |
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| 13:45.31 | fasta | somian: I checked that, but it says it supports PME or something like that. |
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| 13:45.37 | tuliox | Pc_Dark: yes, you dont need anything more |
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| 13:45.42 | Pc_Dark | okie dokie |
| 13:45.48 | fasta | somian: I believe that's the mechanism for getting kernels over the network. |
| 13:45.48 | tuliox | if u eventually need to install a package it will be done throught apt-get |
| 13:45.59 | fasta | somian: which makes me believe it also supports WOL. |
| 13:46.08 | tuliox | is this torrent going any fast? there is a plenty of mirrors around lol |
| 13:46.19 | fasta | !u |
| 13:46.19 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:46.30 | fasta | !factinfo u |
| 13:46.30 | dpkg | u -- last modified at Thu Nov 25 13:56:09 2004 by ricky_clarkson!~ricky@h-69-3-31-82.snvacaid.covad.net; it has been requested 1460 times, last by fasta, 11s ago; it has been locked by . |
| 13:46.36 | Pc_Dark | I hopefully have enough seeds for this torrent |
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| 13:47.00 | romano2k | abrotman: what don't you understand in my pastebin ? |
| 13:47.13 | romano2k | it says that the process does not exist |
| 13:47.15 | yangvnc | Does anyone know why cpushare.com projects isnt in debian? |
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| 13:48.22 | mue | ".com" sounds suspicious |
| 13:48.31 | fasta | yangvnc: are you a human? |
| 13:48.49 | fasta | Probably a spam bot |
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| 13:49.40 | Pc_Dark | I didn't know I had enough connection speed for 1.6MB/s downloads |
| 13:49.44 | stew | yangvnc: its being worked on: |
| 13:49.48 | yangvnc | fasta: no I am android |
| 13:49.48 | stew | !dbugs 417130 |
| 13:49.51 | somian | fasta: I follow your thinking. Makes some sense. It's common in my experience for WOL to be configurable at BIOS boot time, but I guess perhaps not universal ;-(' |
| 13:49.51 | dpkg | #417130:W[wnpp] ITP: cpushare -- a general purpose Low Cost Supercomputer.; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:51:01 UTC |
| 13:50.42 | stew | yangvnc: /msg dpkg itp ; you can feel free to ping that bug if you want to see if there was any progress |
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| 13:52.24 | yangvnc | stew: thanks |
| 13:52.54 | somian | "Luke! Don't go to the Dark side of the ascii charset!" |
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| 13:54.12 | sep | e1000 detects my 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82571EB Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 06), and my 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 80003ES2LAN Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper) (rev 01), but not 0b:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82571EB Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper) (rev 06) does the latter chipset use a different driver then the others ? (sounds unlikely) what can i do to made it detect it correctly |
| 13:54.12 | sep | ? |
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| 13:55.08 | Noborusan | hi sep ,how are ya |
| 13:55.08 | dpkg | Noborusan: just great |
| 13:55.12 | Pc_Dark | How much does a gbit eth controler cost |
| 13:55.39 | cast | 50AUD for a dirt cheap realtek |
| 13:55.52 | cast | 100 or 200 for a intel |
| 13:55.55 | Pc_Dark | wow |
| 13:55.59 | Pc_Dark | i can't afford that |
| 13:56.11 | Pc_Dark | how much is aud in USD |
| 13:56.25 | cast | Pc_Dark: go look at newegg.com |
| 13:56.27 | Pc_Dark | do the new Mac's come with a gbit controller |
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| 13:56.59 | gangsterlicious | that's what she said |
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| 13:57.46 | somian | You AND yer aunt Susie, gangsterlicious |
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| 13:58.18 | Pc_Dark | does debian etch support dsata |
| 13:58.21 | sep | Pc_Dark, google for "50 AUD in USD" |
| 13:58.50 | yangvnc | I wonder what this "parport" error means - http://paste.debian.net/31322 |
| 13:58.53 | Pc_Dark | $43 |
| 13:58.59 | Pc_Dark | I could afford that maybe |
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| 13:59.04 | Pc_Dark | do the Realtek ones do ok? |
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| 13:59.17 | cast | the MTU is 4.Xk |
| 13:59.27 | fasta | Pc_Dark: Realtek is considered crap by professionals |
| 13:59.34 | Pc_Dark | I'm not a professional |
| 13:59.41 | fasta | Pc_Dark: imho, that's ok then. |
| 13:59.49 | Pc_Dark | I'm actually just a kid -_- |
| 14:00.16 | Pc_Dark | Anyways, does debian etch support SATA without any extra time put into it |
| 14:00.29 | wedge | pretty much |
| 14:00.29 | cast | yes. |
| 14:00.50 | Pc_Dark | sarge didn't though ;( |
| 14:01.54 | cast | well sarge is old-stable ;/ |
| 14:02.01 | Pc_Dark | true |
| 14:02.14 | Pc_Dark | I was just going to use the sarge disc I had and apt-get dist-upgrade or whatever |
| 14:02.37 | cast | grab the etch netinst cd |
| 14:02.42 | stew | Pc_Dark: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 14:02.52 | Pc_Dark | already burned the full disc cast |
| 14:02.59 | Pc_Dark | 1.6mb/sec on torrents is quite fast |
| 14:03.12 | Pc_Dark | MB* |
| 14:03.39 | zophy_ | yeah, torrent really sux |
| 14:04.11 | Pc_Dark | but 1.6MB/sec is good |
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| 14:04.31 | Pc_Dark | (in my opinion |
| 14:05.19 | Noborusan | hi stew ,could you do me a feavor please ? |
| 14:05.41 | stew | maybe? |
| 14:05.54 | abrotman | romano2k: do others work ? |
| 14:05.55 | Noborusan | private land okay ? |
| 14:06.03 | stew | ok |
| 14:06.07 | Noborusan | thanks |
| 14:06.19 | Pc_Dark | should I set up LVM or encrypted LVM |
| 14:06.23 | romano2k | abrotman: others what ? |
| 14:06.24 | Pc_Dark | err, what is it? |
| 14:06.31 | abrotman | other cron tasks |
| 14:06.45 | romano2k | abrotman: i don't have any cron task |
| 14:06.58 | romano2k | abrotman, but i found that the "anacron" package wasn't installed |
| 14:07.01 | Pc_Dark | should I install LVM or encrypted LVM? |
| 14:07.07 | romano2k | i aptituded it |
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| 14:07.46 | abrotman | romano2k: it seems to be trying to do something with logrotate and trying to kill a process which it is saying doesn't exits |
| 14:07.48 | abrotman | exist |
| 14:07.54 | Pc_Dark | should I seperate /home /var /usr and /tmp |
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| 14:08.01 | Pc_Dark | for backup purposes |
| 14:08.03 | sep | Pc_Dark, depends on what you want to store on the volume. for a easily stealable laptop i'd recommend encrypted. |
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| 14:08.25 | sep | Pc_Dark, if your paranoid , you woudnt even ask the question :) |
| 14:08.56 | Pc_Dark | I didn't know what LVM was, sorry |
| 14:09.07 | abrotman | !lvm |
| 14:09.07 | dpkg | lvm is probably at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 14:09.07 | somian | Pc_Dark: I use a separate partition for /home always, and for /usr/local and /tmp often |
| 14:10.21 | Pc_Dark | is it possible to port itunes to linux |
| 14:10.43 | wols | Pc_Dark: ask apple. I'm sure it is but I'm pretty sure they'll never do it too |
| 14:10.44 | romano2k | abrotman, yes i know, but i really don't understand what's happening |
| 14:10.49 | sep | to answer my own question. kernel 2.6.18 was to old for 82571EB 2.6.21 finds it right away |
| 14:11.02 | Pc_Dark | Is there any way to sync my ipod on linux? |
| 14:11.10 | romano2k | Pc_Dark: amarok is as powerful as itunes, if not more |
| 14:11.11 | abrotman | romano2k: look at the script that it says is erroring .. /etc/cron.daily/logrotate and see what it might be trying to kill |
| 14:11.17 | abrotman | !info gtkpod etch |
| 14:11.20 | dpkg | gtkpod: (manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod), section sound, is extra. Version: 0.99.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 493 kB, Installed size: 1996 kB |
| 14:11.21 | Pc_Dark | but can it sync iPod |
| 14:11.26 | Pc_Dark | great ;) |
| 14:11.35 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: i'm not sure about actual itunes |
| 14:11.46 | Pc_Dark | I have a laptop too but I like to listen to my ipod songs on computer |
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| 14:12.18 | h3sp4wn | amarok can sync an ipod anyway |
| 14:12.43 | Pc_Dark | okay |
| 14:12.56 | Pc_Dark | It's taking forever to repartition my sata -_- |
| 14:13.07 | h3sp4wn | (At least with 1.39 it only supported ipod - now it supports more) |
| 14:13.27 | Pc_Dark | as long as it supports mini/nano I'm happy |
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| 14:13.59 | Pc_Dark | I guess encyrpted LVM takes forever to setup -_- |
| 14:14.03 | cast | repartitioning should be very quick, well, it is very quick |
| 14:14.12 | cast | the encrypted lvm is wiping your free space prior |
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| 14:15.00 | cast | might take an hour or few |
| 14:16.22 | romano2k | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/936000 <- here is the content of /etc/cron.daily/logrotate |
| 14:16.56 | abrotman | damn pastebin.com |
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| 14:17.33 | abrotman | that doesn't make sense |
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| 14:19.42 | Pc_Dark | why is it taking so long to wipe partitions? |
| 14:19.45 | kriston | Where can I find Debian 3.1 DVD image for download? Can't find it on cdimage.debian.org or archive.debian.org, feel silly. |
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| 14:20.32 | petemc | kriston: ive not heard of dvd images being archives |
| 14:20.44 | petemc | thats not to say it doesnt happen.. |
| 14:20.55 | petemc | a/ives/ived/ |
| 14:21.08 | kriston | petemc: failing that, what's the minimalist dload of CD-ROM images (not netinst) for 3.1 that is out there? |
| 14:21.24 | abrotman | kriston: moment |
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| 14:22.09 | abrotman | kriston: i386 ? |
| 14:22.18 | kriston | Btw, I managed to find woody on archive, but I cannot find sarge. |
| 14:22.21 | kriston | yes i386 |
| 14:22.24 | abrotman | http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r5/i386/ |
| 14:23.06 | kriston | abrotman: thanks, that will do. I appreciatei t. |
| 14:23.19 | abrotman | kriston: you should try to use the netinst if you can |
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| 14:23.31 | abrotman | kriston: or just CD1 (unless the entire install if off the intarweb) |
| 14:23.49 | kriston | Oh so I can just dload CD1 anyway? |
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| 14:24.04 | kriston | I must have overlooked that fact. |
| 14:24.23 | abrotman | you could .. as long as the computer will have intarweb eventually |
| 14:24.37 | kriston | abrotman: natch. Thanks |
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| 14:26.23 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 14:26.33 | HardDisk_WP | can GRUB boot a CD? |
| 14:26.41 | HardDisk_WP | (from commandline)? |
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| 14:27.13 | kriston | I'm back to Debian. I blew up Ubuntu for the last time. I hate Upstart. They should have completed it before they started using it. |
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| 14:28.07 | cast | what is upstart? |
| 14:28.22 | kriston | It's the so-called "replacement" for init that Ubuntu started using in 6.06, I think. |
| 14:28.38 | somian | !upstart |
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| 14:28.54 | somian | wow, dpkg, you fail me |
| 14:29.08 | cast | ahhh. |
| 14:29.20 | kriston | http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=upstart&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2 |
| 14:29.48 | HardDisk_WP | !upstart? |
| 14:30.08 | Pc_Dark | why is it taking so long to wipe my partitions |
| 14:30.16 | Pc_Dark | its taken 20minutes to get 35^ on a single partition |
| 14:30.23 | Pc_Dark | 35% * |
| 14:30.28 | fasta | Pc_Dark: because harddisks are slow? |
| 14:30.37 | Pc_Dark | ... |
| 14:30.53 | redduck666 | Pc_Dark: how did you format it? |
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| 14:30.56 | Pc_Dark | FreeBSD wiped it in like 4 minutes, all partitions |
| 14:31.00 | Pc_Dark | encrypted LVM |
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| 14:31.12 | fasta | Pc_Dark: there are different kinds of formats |
| 14:31.14 | Binary | Hey all |
| 14:31.15 | Pc_Dark | split /home /usr /tmp |
| 14:31.18 | kriston | Upstart is written by people who don't understand why sysvinit is the way it is. |
| 14:31.23 | cast | fasta: its not formatting, its wiping |
| 14:31.28 | Pc_Dark | yeah |
| 14:31.37 | Pc_Dark | its wiping at the moment |
| 14:31.43 | Pc_Dark | will format later |
| 14:31.55 | Pc_Dark | it's an 80GB SATA |
| 14:32.26 | rati | How can I block only https://www.gmail.com |
| 14:32.28 | nvz | yeah I usally wipe first then format.. but I usually to some pre-formatting before wiping you know like folding it a few times so I dont get shit on my hands |
| 14:32.48 | Binary | rati: Dansguardian? |
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| 14:33.04 | cast | nvz: folding? |
| 14:33.07 | gui_ | hi |
| 14:33.19 | Binary | rati: iptables even for that matter |
| 14:33.19 | nvz | cast: yeah you don't fold the tp? |
| 14:33.27 | fasta | Pc_Dark: what do you mean by wiping as you can wipe in different ways? |
| 14:33.36 | rati | Binary using Dansguardian i can block https |
| 14:33.39 | kriston | they call me russel crinkle |
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| 14:33.41 | gui_ | please is it possible to use different range of IP adress in the same domain definition ? |
| 14:33.54 | Binary | I believe you can block any URL desired |
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| 14:34.19 | jakub_ | please |
| 14:34.22 | jakub_ | how to burn .iso via console ? |
| 14:34.26 | rati | I have used squid It can also block But I would like to block only one https site not all |
| 14:34.34 | nvz | gui_: maybe you need to be in #networking and wtf are you talking about anyhow.. give an example |
| 14:34.38 | redduck666 | jakub_: cdrecord -vv -eject dev=/dev/hdc your.iso |
| 14:34.43 | Binary | Yes so in the banned url list |
| 14:34.47 | Binary | in /etc/dansguardian |
| 14:34.50 | jakub_ | dev is what |
| 14:34.51 | Binary | add http://gmail.com |
| 14:34.51 | jakub_ | cdrom ? |
| 14:34.53 | jakub_ | okay thx |
| 14:34.53 | Binary | that should do it |
| 14:34.59 | gui_ | nvz woops |
| 14:35.08 | jakub_ | could i write /media/cdrom there ? |
| 14:35.12 | Binary | you may also want to enable reverse lookup so that the user cannot get past it by entering the ip of gmail |
| 14:35.12 | petemc | gui_: you can make an A record for foo.domain.com pointing to any ip |
| 14:35.19 | redduck666 | jakub_: i don't think so. |
| 14:35.23 | jakub_ | ok |
| 14:35.31 | jakub_ | thx |
| 14:35.40 | mountain | jakub_: might want to throw a "speed=40" in there too (well last time I remember using cdrecord, it defaulted to 2..) |
| 14:35.58 | gui_ | for example I want to assign : 23.23.10.* and 23.23.55.* to testdomain.com |
| 14:36.02 | jakub_ | :) |
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| 14:36.16 | Pc_Dark | I'm restarting the installer -_- |
| 14:36.20 | gui_ | it's about the PTR ! |
| 14:36.20 | rati | Binary:can you have any documentation for that |
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| 14:36.38 | Binary | rati: ther is certainly plenty of documentation on the web# |
| 14:36.49 | Binary | rati: there is also some installed on your system |
| 14:36.49 | petemc | gui_: if you own those ips, theres nothign to stop you doing that |
| 14:36.50 | cast | nvz: fold the tp? i don't understand |
| 14:37.05 | Binary | rati: I will try and find it for you gimme a sec |
| 14:37.21 | Pc_Dark | is there a fast way to wipe a partition |
| 14:37.28 | cast | Pc_Dark: nope. |
| 14:37.35 | petemc | gui_: i myself have never been lucky enough to have control of reverse delegated to me, its not common |
| 14:38.08 | mountain | cast: toilet humor, err literally. |
| 14:38.12 | Binary | rati: the documentation lives in /usr/share/doc/dansguardian |
| 14:38.28 | Binary | ^that contains much documentation on how to admin dansguardian in general |
| 14:38.28 | Pc_Dark | cast |
| 14:38.30 | gui_ | ok |
| 14:38.34 | redduck666 | Pc_Dark: mkfs.reiserfs /dev/sda1 formats sda1 quckly. |
| 14:38.34 | Pc_Dark | when I pressed used entired disc |
| 14:38.39 | Pc_Dark | is it going to wipe it all |
| 14:38.46 | gui_ | I'm searching some sample for bind :) |
| 14:39.15 | Binary | rati: the actual location of the banned url list on my debian server |
| 14:39.25 | Binary | ^ is /etc/dansguardian/bannedurllist |
| 14:39.29 | Binary | :-) |
| 14:39.33 | Binary | *;-) |
| 14:39.38 | rati | Binary: So I can use that with squid? |
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| 14:39.57 | nvz | cast: what do you just have one of those things that shoots water up your arse? |
| 14:39.59 | cast | Pc_Dark: bingo, except for a few mb used for the /boot partition |
| 14:40.08 | nvz | cast: no tp for your bunghole? |
| 14:40.26 | cast | :| hah. |
| 14:40.31 | fasta | Is there a system monitor that can show what processes over time took how much CPU? |
| 14:40.40 | cast | top, htop is better |
| 14:40.47 | h3sp4wn | fasta: atop is the bestr |
| 14:40.53 | nvz | yeah htop is nice |
| 14:40.56 | h3sp4wn | fasta: (with the kernel patch) |
| 14:41.16 | fasta | what about something with a GUI? |
| 14:41.20 | Binary | rati: I have just told you how to configure it with debian |
| 14:41.33 | Binary | *dansguardian even |
| 14:41.35 | Binary | sorry |
| 14:41.35 | nvz | fasta: maybe look into gdesklets or gkrellm to see if they can offer you a solution |
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| 14:41.45 | h3sp4wn | fasta: running the gui is going to waste cpu just running it |
| 14:41.50 | Binary | I am not sure how to do it with squid out of my head because I never have |
| 14:41.56 | nvz | h3sp4wn: lets not be rational here.. |
| 14:42.00 | Binary | uhm,.... you can also do this with iptables too |
| 14:42.09 | Binary | which is quite a simple and effective way |
| 14:42.25 | Binary | but tbh if u have dans then u mite as well keep it all together with that |
| 14:42.28 | fasta | h3sp4wn: I don't mind it wasting 1% |
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| 14:42.41 | tuliox | dudes |
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| 14:42.51 | tuliox | i change my resolution, but everytime i reboot it backs to 1280x1024 |
| 14:43.11 | fasta | h3sp4wn: the reason for me asking is that it seems the system sometimes stalls for a second. I didn't have that problem before. |
| 14:43.45 | rati | I have used iptables for firewall |
| 14:43.54 | rati | tell me how to do that |
| 14:44.01 | tuliox | !tell tuliox about xrandr |
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| 14:44.17 | h3sp4wn | fasta: its going to waste enough to skew the results |
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| 14:45.26 | h3sp4wn | fasta: are you using nvidia-glx |
| 14:45.49 | fasta | h3sp4wn: yes |
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| 14:46.04 | fasta | h3sp4wn: is there a known bug? |
| 14:46.32 | h3sp4wn | fasta: at least with the version in sid - 2.6.22-rc5 had serious issues for me |
| 14:46.37 | tuliox | i change my resolution, but everytime i reboot it goes back to 1280x1024 |
| 14:46.48 | h3sp4wn | fasta: (it was fixed prior to rc6 don't know about other kernels) |
| 14:47.17 | fasta | h3sp4wn: I use .18 for a different reason now |
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| 14:47.44 | fasta | tuliox: how about you try to understand what other people say.... |
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| 14:47.56 | h3sp4wn | fasta: Are you using the nvidia-glx that is in etch (I know that is fine) |
| 14:48.06 | tuliox | fasta, good, but nobody said anything |
| 14:48.23 | fasta | tuliox: that is not true |
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| 14:48.38 | fasta | tuliox: never mind |
| 14:48.42 | fasta | tuliox: you told yourself |
| 14:48.50 | fasta | tuliox: what's wrong with xrandr? |
| 14:48.50 | tuliox | omg |
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| 14:48.59 | tuliox | ok, i change the resolution with xrandr |
| 14:49.04 | tuliox | but after a system reboot |
| 14:49.18 | tuliox | the default resolution, wich is 1280x1024 is set |
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| 14:50.14 | fasta | tuliox: two things: 1) there are these things called scripts that you can run at various times (including boot) 2) Changing the ordering of the resolutions in xorg.conf will probably solve it. |
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| 14:50.36 | tuliox | fasta, thank you very much, i will change the order |
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| 14:51.33 | tuliox | one more thing |
| 14:51.52 | tuliox | my monitor supports up to 85hz at 1024x768, but the system only shows 75hz as compatible |
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| 14:52.06 | fasta | tuliox: one more thing: "system" is not defined |
| 14:52.11 | tuliox | i already edited xorg.conf with vertical 59-100 |
| 14:52.16 | tuliox | :D |
| 14:52.31 | rati | Binary: if you know how to do blocking https using squid |
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| 14:53.33 | tuliox | fasta, ok can you help me again or not? :D |
| 14:54.09 | fasta | tuliox: I might, but ask smart questions |
| 14:54.17 | dragonmantank | Running debian etch in a VMWare appliance I downloaded... the keymap is wrong and I can't find one to fix it. The / key is mapped to - and the y key is mapped to z (as well as some others)... what keymap should I be using? defkeymap.kmap.gz has this issue |
| 14:54.38 | tuliox | how to force refresh rate up to 85 hz? |
| 14:54.49 | tuliox | i know my monitor supports it |
| 14:55.22 | redduck666 | tuliox: and what if the driver doesn't support it? |
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| 14:55.57 | redduck666 | dragonmantank: loadkeys if we are talking about console. setxkbmap in x11. |
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| 14:57.09 | h3sp4wn | tuliox: try to use a modeline |
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| 14:58.30 | Saizan | hi, i'm searching a tool to diplay network traffic grouped by process id |
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| 14:59.06 | Saizan | ar at least a tool that tells me to which process each connection belongs |
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| 14:59.19 | dragonmantank | redduck666: tried both, same issue... |
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| 14:59.58 | redduck666 | dragonmantank: did you load the correct keymap? |
| 15:01.01 | cast | Saizan: netstat will tell you what pid |
| 15:01.07 | cast | Saizan: lsof probably will too |
| 15:01.30 | dragonmantank | I'm trying to load /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/defkeymap.kmap.gz and us.kmap.gz |
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| 15:05.04 | dragonmantank | ah, figured it out. xorg.conf was set to 'de' instead of 'us' |
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| 15:06.01 | atealtha | I installed banshee on etch but get errors when I run the app in a terminal. Uninstalling, cleaning, and reinstalling isn't helping at all. Any ideas? |
| 15:06.24 | redduck666 | atealtha: do you think that posting the errors would help? :) |
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| 15:06.41 | atealtha | redduck666: yes, but I don't have access right now |
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| 15:11.16 | fasta | tuliox: is it working already? |
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| 15:12.32 | atealtha | well, is there a more complete way of uninstalling other than aptitude purge? |
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| 15:13.14 | fasta | h3sp4wn: htop is nice indeed. Thanks |
| 15:13.39 | Pc_Dark | how do I lower my resolution |
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| 15:17.15 | h3sp4wn | fasta: I said atop (with kernel-patch-atopacct / kernel-patch-atopcnt) but htop is better than normal top - guess you ment someone else |
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| 15:17.39 | Jello | htop rulz |
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| 15:20.13 | fasta | h3sp4wn: but kernel patches are only distributed as source, right? |
| 15:20.43 | jelly-home | fasta: correct |
| 15:21.03 | fasta | Last time I looked the compile Debian kernel+patches process wasn't documented sanely. |
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| 15:21.42 | jelly-home | fasta: eh, who cares, just patch your tree and use make-kpkg on it |
| 15:21.48 | abrotman | jelly-home: fix my alpha! |
| 15:21.57 | redduck666 | fasta: all together there are two commands, one of which is dpkg -i kernel.deb |
| 15:22.14 | jelly-home | abrotman: send one to Croatia an' I'll see if anything can be done |
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| 15:22.33 | abrotman | jelly-home: i can't send *that one* .. i'm using it :) |
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| 15:22.55 | kakarot | hi, what Compiz Fusion repositories are preferred for debian ? |
| 15:22.57 | abrotman | when the kernel loads .. it doesn't kick out of the bios screen .. it just boots and leaves the screen looking all stupid |
| 15:23.01 | jelly-home | abrotman: so it's not really broken! |
| 15:23.10 | abrotman | jelly-home: it's not usable at the console |
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| 15:24.25 | jelly-home | kakarot: usually the safest thing is to wait for the app to appear in Debian itself |
| 15:24.29 | disposable | when i type 's2disk' i see 'suspend: Snapshotting system' for about 10 minutes before anything happens. what's actually happening? (i use uswsusp) |
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| 15:25.15 | kakarot | jelly-home i know, but a want to try Compiz Fusion altouth using unofficial repositories |
| 15:25.43 | Pc_Dark | how do I start the debian ssh server or whatever |
| 15:26.08 | redduck666 | Pc_Dark: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 15:26.10 | xand | Pc_Dark: install it |
| 15:26.11 | petemc | Pc_Dark: it should be started after installation, but /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 15:26.19 | redduck666 | assuming you have openssh-server installed. |
| 15:26.22 | Pc_Dark | says ssh - no file or directory |
| 15:26.22 | jelly-home | disposable: uswsusp worked for me, but I dislike the lack of response (it waits about 20-30 seconds here, though), so I've switched to Suspend2 and everything works |
| 15:26.42 | disposable | jelly-home, do i need to patch the kernel for that? |
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| 15:26.51 | Erik__ | pfffff, after trying to get ETCH working on an nvidia fx5200 and not succeeding in a whole working day, I tried SUSE 10. and what do you think: It took a while (time, not effort) but my video card works, my Canon ip4200 works, even my tv card (pinnacle) works (however, not the sound yet. have to figure out how sound works in Linux, i guess). all from the installation interface. No hacking,... |
| 15:26.52 | Erik__ | ...nothing. Out goes Debian, in comes Suse. |
| 15:26.56 | jelly-home | disposable: yes, unfortunately |
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| 15:27.28 | redduck666 | Erik__: since you are not on debian you should probably leave #debian. |
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| 15:27.48 | disposable | jelly-home, i'd still love to know what it's doing during those 10 minutes. |
| 15:28.23 | jelly-home | disposable: that's a question better asked on their mailing list, I guess |
| 15:28.28 | Erik__ | duck: I WAS on debian. now... i say goodbye.... maybe sometime.... |
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| 15:28.41 | cast | Erik__: we don't care if you couldn't work out debian :) |
| 15:28.44 | disposable | jelly-home, :) |
| 15:28.48 | jetscreamer | Erik__: you should have asked me about nvidia then |
| 15:28.51 | jetscreamer | tsk |
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| 15:29.00 | mahtavamatt | how do schedule a shutdown to occure in say 2 hours, via cli |
| 15:29.00 | jetscreamer | ciao |
| 15:29.14 | Erik__ | cast: some did care.... they tried to help.... it's ok that you dont |
| 15:29.15 | jetscreamer | shutdown -r 120 iirc |
| 15:29.16 | cast | mahtavamatt: sleep 2h; shutdown -h now |
| 15:29.16 | zophy_ | Erik__, try again |
| 15:29.34 | cast | oh, jetscreamer's is better |
| 15:29.49 | mahtavamatt | what is "iirc" |
| 15:29.54 | jetscreamer | man shutdown, i 'think' it's in minutes but i forget the syntax |
| 15:29.56 | Ronin | mahtavamatt: if i recall correctly |
| 15:29.59 | jetscreamer | !iirc |
| 15:29.59 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 15:30.01 | haribo | Is it possible to replace typing the root password for su by using a passfile on a usb stick? |
| 15:30.04 | tuliox | fasta, hi sorry |
| 15:30.07 | tuliox | what is a modeline? |
| 15:30.07 | Ronin | jetscreamer: show off |
| 15:30.13 | jelly-home | Erik__: well, good luck with Suse! Hope it works out for you. |
| 15:30.29 | cast | haribo: sure, su uses pam. the question is does a pam module exist that does that or do you have to create your own |
| 15:30.33 | mahtavamatt | lol |
| 15:30.34 | Erik__ | jet: I was on here a lot.....asking, trying... |
| 15:30.36 | mahtavamatt | cheers |
| 15:30.39 | zophy_ | suse is redhat, blech |
| 15:30.46 | jetscreamer | suse is ok |
| 15:30.49 | Nichev1 | :) |
| 15:30.50 | jelly-home | zophy_: what? no. |
| 15:30.54 | tuliox | brb |
| 15:31.06 | haribo | cast: ok. thanks! |
| 15:31.12 | rati | when I give init 0 then it got to the end of the system then gives message that system halted. |
| 15:31.42 | zophy_ | rati, congrats |
| 15:31.49 | rati | how to do so that it can automatically shutdown the system |
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| 15:32.11 | jetscreamer | ah his apm isn't powering off his box on halt i think he said |
| 15:32.16 | redduck666 | rati: shutodown -h |
| 15:32.27 | jelly-home | zophy_: suse is Novell's distro, nothing to do with RH |
| 15:32.27 | redduck666 | rati: shutdown -h now |
| 15:32.28 | zophy_ | with some hardware shutdown -h works |
| 15:32.38 | mahtavamatt | What am i doing wrong?? This is the problem: user@pc:~$ shutdown -r 120 |
| 15:32.38 | mahtavamatt | bash: shutdown: command not found |
| 15:32.44 | rati | ok I will try that |
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| 15:32.59 | jetscreamer | mahtavamatt: as root, and gdm changess your path |
| 15:33.03 | petemc | mahtavamatt: shutdown isnt in a normal users path |
| 15:33.08 | Jello | mahtavamatt: time is minutes |
| 15:33.12 | zophy_ | Jello, novell bought suse, it is redhat based at least initially |
| 15:33.20 | mahtavamatt | cheers |
| 15:33.37 | jetscreamer | you can supply the path and use sudo, or su |
| 15:33.48 | jelly-home | zophy_: um, I don't think they have much in common except for RPM |
| 15:33.53 | jetscreamer | or fix the paths , my choice |
| 15:34.05 | jetscreamer | i used apt-get on suse |
| 15:34.08 | jelly-home | zophy_: in any case "suse is redhat" is wildly inaccurate |
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| 15:34.10 | mountain | zophy_: perhaps in version, 4? which was what '96?... they've come along way. |
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| 15:34.16 | jetscreamer | it worked better than the suse one.. |
| 15:34.39 | zophy_ | ok, they've come a long way |
| 15:34.44 | jetscreamer | baby |
| 15:34.57 | jelly-home | jetscreamer, push the button |
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| 15:36.00 | zophy_ | anyway, cent os is the only sensible choice in linus distros anymore |
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| 15:37.50 | jetscreamer | you mean rpm distros i hope |
| 15:37.50 | rati | redduck666: when i give shutdown -h then it show me usage of shutdown |
| 15:37.51 | cast | zophy_: i believe the silence is proof that the entire room agrees, and that your word is the final in the matter :) |
| 15:37.59 | jetscreamer | shutdown -h now |
| 15:38.02 | Ronin | indeed |
| 15:38.05 | redduck666 | rati: i corrected myself. |
| 15:38.09 | jetscreamer | or put a time in minutes |
| 15:38.17 | redduck666 | 17:32:25 < redduck666> rati: shutdown -h now |
| 15:38.21 | redduck666 | :) |
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| 15:38.47 | jetscreamer | centos does rock though |
| 15:38.51 | jetscreamer | &uptime |
| 15:38.54 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 15:38.57 | xand | no it doesn't |
| 15:39.12 | curt | http://paste.debian.net/31353 |
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| 15:39.19 | jetscreamer | it's 50 billion times better (to me) than rhel |
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| 15:39.28 | jetscreamer | rhel was always going down |
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| 15:39.44 | jetscreamer | my host changed to centos and mucho uptime for the bot |
| 15:39.46 | cplx | .ili...ili. |
| 15:40.16 | jetscreamer | and yum worked |
| 15:40.26 | rati | redduck666: I have one box with x86 articture |
| 15:40.49 | rati | redduck666: In that this is not working |
| 15:40.53 | simonrvn | 'architecture' |
| 15:41.02 | rati | yes |
| 15:41.10 | simonrvn | yw :) |
| 15:41.16 | redduck666 | rati: it works on the machines i saw so far. |
| 15:41.32 | redduck666 | well, the only exception being one ooold thingy with AT PSU |
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| 15:42.13 | simonrvn | yikes |
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| 15:42.27 | rati | ? |
| 15:42.35 | DX00 | hello all :) |
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| 15:44.08 | zophy_ | older bios behavior is unpredictable of course |
| 15:44.47 | frankr | Hey, when one installs debian from the netinstall disc, is ssh server included in the minimal install it puts on your HD before telling you to restart? |
| 15:44.57 | zophy_ | some will shut off, some will reboot |
| 15:45.09 | redduck666 | frankr: IIRc it is not. |
| 15:45.12 | frankr | Damn. |
| 15:45.47 | rati | ok |
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| 15:46.12 | frankr | Is there any way to make it install ssh server before it restarts? |
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| 15:46.28 | frankr | 'cause I'm getting debian installed on a dedicated server and I want to make sure that its done the way I want it to |
| 15:46.36 | frankr | kinda hard when someone else does the install process |
| 15:47.00 | redduck666 | frankr: why not just reboot and install sshd than? |
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| 15:47.52 | xerophyte | what is the best book or documentation(URL) to learn about deb package building ? |
| 15:48.05 | frankr | redduck666, you mean with just the very basic system netinst puts on it? I thought it automatically ran the install process but I guess one could open a different tty and install it there |
| 15:48.08 | frankr | is that theoretically possible? |
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| 15:50.01 | redduck666 | frankr: dude, why are you reinventing the wheel? you plun your soon-to-be server to monitor, keyboard, power and network, do the install, do the initial configuration (like installing sshd, hacking interfaces file...) and place the box in the rack? |
| 15:50.19 | frankr | redduck666, can't do |
| 15:50.22 | cast | xerophyte: debian.org/doc/ there is a new maintainers guide |
| 15:50.24 | redduck666 | frankr: why? |
| 15:50.24 | frankr | I don't own the company I'm getting the server from :P |
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| 15:50.37 | frankr | And I dont' even know where their datacenter is it could be miles and miles from where I live |
| 15:50.37 | stew | xerophyte: /msg dpkg mg |
| 15:50.38 | jetscreamer | you used to be able to access dselect from the installer menu |
| 15:50.39 | redduck666 | frankr: but the server will come to you? |
| 15:50.52 | jetscreamer | shame |
| 15:50.52 | frankr | Nono, its gonna be in someone else's datacenter |
| 15:51.06 | redduck666 | frankr: so you plan to install debian rmotelly? |
| 15:51.18 | jetscreamer | you 'might' could chroot into /target and run aptitude or dselect |
| 15:51.19 | frankr | The company says they'll install any distro as long as there is a downloadable ISO |
| 15:51.25 | jetscreamer | before you reboot the installer |
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| 15:51.29 | jetscreamer | but i never tried it |
| 15:51.39 | frankr | But I don't want them to put gnome or anything onto it like the default install will |
| 15:51.46 | frankr | I only need base system |
| 15:51.52 | jetscreamer | tell them to take the tasksel checkboxes off |
| 15:51.54 | jetscreamer | all of them |
| 15:52.02 | jetscreamer | even standard |
| 15:52.13 | fasta | tuxan: well? |
| 15:52.15 | bogusmips | I'm a debian newbie and I've just installed version 4r0, but my X server is not configured correctly. Since there's no control panel like Yast, what command should I use to configure X? |
| 15:52.22 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 15:52.22 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 15:53.05 | bogusmips | dpkg is a smart bot |
| 15:54.20 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 15:54.20 | dpkg | i guess search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 15:57.04 | jetscreamer | it was probably a very recent ati or ndva |
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| 15:57.23 | jetscreamer | err nvda |
| 15:57.44 | ironfroggy | I am trying to deploy to a host for a client and can't resolve any names from the box. where would i look to ensure that a firewall isn't blocking poprt 53 for the requests? |
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| 15:58.14 | redduck666 | ironfroggy: iptables -L |
| 15:58.27 | dromer | hi all, I'm trying to install Woody to a 2.5" hd, hooked on USB, using debootstrap, I seem to have installed everything ok .. I guess, I know chrooted into the disk to get grub working, I installed grub first and am now trying grub-install, but I somehow have to spicify the install_device .. what is this exactly? |
| 15:58.39 | jetscreamer | woody? |
| 15:58.42 | dromer | yes |
| 15:58.47 | dromer | it's for an ancient laptop :P |
| 15:59.00 | jetscreamer | grub-install hd0 is usually the first hd in the mbr |
| 15:59.01 | ironfroggy | redduck666: that command isn't available |
| 15:59.07 | dromer | I know woody has been installed on this type before, except mine doesn't have floppy |
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| 15:59.11 | stew | ironfroggy: run "nslookup a.root-servers.net 198.41.0.4" and see if you get a response |
| 15:59.11 | ironfroggy | and i cant install anything, because it cant resolve the repositories :-/ |
| 15:59.16 | redduck666 | ironfroggy: do you have /sbin in your PATH? |
| 15:59.25 | dromer | jetscreamer: ok, but it's hooked via usb, should this matter? |
| 15:59.39 | jetscreamer | dromer: you would change hd0 to whatever |
| 15:59.43 | dromer | jetscreamer: where can I see what Woody thinks is the mbr? |
| 15:59.46 | ironfroggy | redduck666: no, thanks |
| 15:59.57 | branstrom_ | Removing the passphrase doesn't change my public key, does it? |
| 16:00.00 | jetscreamer | dromer: type mount and see what / is on |
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| 16:00.08 | jetscreamer | err |
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| 16:00.16 | dromer | jetscreamer: I get; proc on /proc type proc (rw) |
| 16:00.21 | jetscreamer | dromer: are you using the entire hd and you boot from it |
| 16:00.22 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 16:00.37 | jetscreamer | dromer: did you chroot in or something? |
| 16:00.44 | cahoot | branstrom_, removing passphrase? from what? |
| 16:00.45 | dromer | no, I use the sda2 partition for it, and yes, I chrooted into it |
| 16:00.46 | jetscreamer | or in the middle of the install? |
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| 16:00.50 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:00.57 | ironfroggy | for the iptables -L i just say INPUT, FORWARD, and OUTPUT policies are ACCEPT. thats what i should have, yeah? |
| 16:01.02 | dromer | no the install using debootstrap finished |
| 16:01.04 | stew | dromer: then you'd install grub to /dev/sda if you want to make that disk bootable |
| 16:01.05 | ironfroggy | nslookup still isnt there |
| 16:01.16 | stew | ironfroggy: what about 'host'? |
| 16:01.20 | branstrom_ | cahoot, well, removing it from my SSH keypair. Or does it only affect the private key? That's my question. |
| 16:01.41 | jetscreamer | dromer: you might want a grub floppy handy or other boot method like smart boot manager |
| 16:01.48 | dromer | stew: but if I chroot into /dev/sda2 .. it's not sda2 anymore is it? (sorry, can't explain exactly what I think is going on) |
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| 16:02.01 | dromer | jetscreamer: I can't use a floppy on this laptop |
| 16:02.06 | jetscreamer | dromer: hd0 is theoretically the hd you boot from, and where you want to install to mbr |
| 16:02.12 | cahoot | branstrom_, I can't imagine you could still use the old pub key |
| 16:02.18 | jetscreamer | use a cd or usbstick |
| 16:02.18 | dromer | ok, I'll try it and see if it boots ;) |
| 16:02.21 | stew | dromer: mount --bind /dev /mountpoint/dev before you chroot |
| 16:02.29 | dromer | jetscreamer: the laptop doesn't have floppy/cd or usb |
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| 16:02.39 | branstrom_ | cahoot, hm |
| 16:02.52 | jetscreamer | dromer: do what stew said, and note that grub from a chroot is iffy |
| 16:02.59 | dromer | iffyZ |
| 16:03.01 | jetscreamer | installing grub i mean |
| 16:03.03 | stew | its not iffy |
| 16:03.13 | stew | dromer: you'll also want to mount /proc and /sys inside the chroot |
| 16:03.25 | dromer | I'm not sure whatt you mean with your mount stew |
| 16:03.50 | stew | dromer: where is /dev/sda2 mounted? |
| 16:03.53 | jetscreamer | stew: i didn't have a lot of success... of course i didn't know i should mount those before chroot'ing in |
| 16:03.57 | dromer | stew: I did a mount /dev/sda2 /media/woody-root before chrooting into /media/woody-root |
| 16:04.06 | jetscreamer | and not the /sys after |
| 16:04.12 | jetscreamer | i heard the /proc after |
| 16:04.14 | dromer | I only did that mount |
| 16:04.20 | stew | dromer: then also run "mount --bind /dev /media/woody-root/dev" before you chroot |
| 16:04.21 | jetscreamer | do what stew said |
| 16:04.31 | jetscreamer | so exit the chroot |
| 16:04.31 | dromer | ok |
| 16:05.18 | dromer | yes, I did the extra mount |
| 16:05.19 | stew | dromer: then after you chroot, run "mount /proc ; mount /sys" |
| 16:05.42 | jetscreamer | you should make a 'how to install grub from a chroot' factoid |
| 16:05.45 | dromer | hmm; mount: can't find /sys in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 16:05.51 | dromer | jetscreamer: haha yeah :D |
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| 16:06.19 | stew | dromer: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:06.34 | dromer | 2.6.20-16-386 that's the kernel from my desktop |
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| 16:07.01 | Janni | Hello. |
| 16:07.09 | dromer | hi janni |
| 16:07.10 | stew | wierd. /sys probably isn't needed anyway |
| 16:07.11 | jetscreamer | you did chroot back in eh |
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| 16:07.37 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.39 | Janni | Hmm. I got some issues with package management. For instance, how would I list all automatically (or manually) installed packages? |
| 16:07.40 | dromer | jetscreamer: yes |
| 16:07.50 | jetscreamer | dpkg -l iirc |
| 16:07.50 | dpkg | No packages found matching iirc |
| 16:08.11 | jetscreamer | add | less or > file |
| 16:08.17 | Janni | jetscreamer: No, that lists ALL packages. |
| 16:08.34 | Janni | Furthemore you can't edit its output by command line arguments |
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| 16:08.35 | stew | Janni: aptitude search "~M" |
| 16:08.49 | Janni | stew: Hmm... This looks strange... |
| 16:08.58 | stew | Janni: (or aptitude search "~i!~M" for the opposite) |
| 16:08.59 | mountain | Janni: dpkg --get-selections |
| 16:09.03 | Janni | But works... |
| 16:09.16 | dromer | stew: ok, so the mount /sys isn't really needed, but now I have to do grub-install hd0 ? |
| 16:09.26 | stew | mountain: that doesn't say anything about automatically installed packages |
| 16:09.37 | Janni | mountain: A thanks, thats good. |
| 16:09.39 | Janni | stew: it does. |
| 16:09.52 | Janni | no, it doesn't |
| 16:09.56 | dromer | haha |
| 16:10.32 | stew | dromer: dunno if hd0 is the right thing or not, 'grub-install /dev/sda' definately is |
| 16:10.54 | jetscreamer | if you boot from the usb hd ( i think ) |
| 16:10.55 | dromer | stew: : Not found or not a block device. |
| 16:11.33 | stew | Janni: i'd recommend installing aptitude-doc-en and reading /usr/share/doc/aptitude/HTML |
| 16:11.45 | dromer | stew: I want to put the hda into ide on the laptop, I just have it hooked on usb, and using debootstrap, to install it without the need to rexboot my desktop |
| 16:11.47 | stew | Janni: (or substitute some other language for -en) |
| 16:12.17 | Janni | Thanks, but I think the README is fine for me... |
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| 16:13.58 | dromer | hmm, I'm getting a couple errors from perl after installing grub: http://pastebin.ca/588585 |
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| 16:14.39 | dromer | don't know if that's important |
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| 16:15.25 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data after you get it going all the way |
| 16:15.33 | jetscreamer | ignorable for now |
| 16:15.44 | dromer | hmm, I get it a zillion times when installing vim ;/ |
| 16:16.08 | Quintin | fuck |
| 16:16.10 | jetscreamer | you might try it now, 'should' work, not sure about the chroot's effects |
| 16:16.11 | Quintin | I hate open source desktops |
| 16:16.15 | jetscreamer | !fuck Quintin |
| 16:16.17 | Quintin | you'd think shit would work by now |
| 16:16.26 | jetscreamer | gah unlock the factoid@ |
| 16:16.27 | jetscreamer | ! |
| 16:16.32 | cast | works for us, what are YOU doing wrong ;) |
| 16:16.40 | dromer | jetscreamer: ah, locales is not installed |
| 16:16.40 | Quintin | I'm not doing shit wrong |
| 16:16.49 | Quintin | there is just stupid bugs in *everything* |
| 16:16.56 | dromer | jetscreamer: this is really a complete minimal install of woody .. I might need a couple more repo's though :# |
| 16:17.18 | xand | Quintin: like your grammar? |
| 16:17.22 | dromer | Quintin: which wm? |
| 16:17.37 | Quintin | I'm trying out KDE, right? and there is this left side thing that can have a file browser, or meta info, or such. and if the column is too narrow, text will not reflow properly, and it just all gets mushed together randomly |
| 16:17.46 | Quintin | xand: hey, FUCK YOU. kthnxbie. |
| 16:17.58 | dromer | you mean konqueror? |
| 16:18.00 | jetscreamer | you might wanna apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade but then again you might not, dromer |
| 16:18.00 | Quintin | dromer: all of them, really. Except for the simple ones, like wmaker |
| 16:18.03 | fasta | Quintin: then report a bug, like we all hopefully do. |
| 16:18.17 | PriceChild | Quintin, the great thing about open source... is if something doesn't work, you can do something about it. |
| 16:18.21 | dromer | jetscreamer: no I don't want a distupgrade :P I want woody, since it seem to work on this tyep of laptop |
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| 16:18.26 | fasta | Quintin: complaining in channel usually solves nothing. |
| 16:18.27 | jetscreamer | resize the damn thing |
| 16:18.38 | jetscreamer | dromer: no it would stay woody unless you changed the sources |
| 16:18.40 | Quintin | jetscreamer: the user shouldn't have to resize it, it should "just work" |
| 16:18.48 | jetscreamer | just an updated woody |
| 16:18.53 | jetscreamer | Quintin: yeah ok |
| 16:18.58 | jetscreamer | one size fits all |
| 16:19.00 | dromer | Quintin: then tweak/fix them yourself, just the way YOU want, I personally have no to little problems with KDE, but I hardly use gui-apss for anything anyway |
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| 16:19.03 | capiira | hmmm hi where does apt place install scripts? |
| 16:19.12 | Quintin | You miss the point |
| 16:19.23 | dromer | jetscreamer: ok, but I think I already have the most recent packages, but I could try, now installing locales, brb |
| 16:19.28 | Quintin | There should be no "tweaking" necessary, especially after so many years. |
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| 16:19.38 | gpm | oh, the whiner's back |
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| 16:19.41 | CharminTheMoose | make-kpkg is no longer in debian stable? |
| 16:19.41 | jetscreamer | tell it to windows |
| 16:19.52 | jetscreamer | CharminTheMoose: kernel-package |
| 16:19.54 | h3sp4wn | CharminTheMoose: It is definately in stable |
| 16:20.00 | PriceChild | Quintin, remember you're not the only user. The defaults are there as a compromise between gazillions of different setups |
| 16:20.02 | gpm | de-finite-ly |
| 16:20.22 | jetscreamer | !kp |
| 16:20.22 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 16:20.30 | Quintin | PriceChild: This isn't a problem with defaults, it's a problem with the program is stupid. most of the settings in KDE look not too stupid so far |
| 16:20.51 | PriceChild | Quintin, how far across a bar is by default, is a default? |
| 16:20.53 | jetscreamer | you don't even know how to spell your own name |
| 16:21.04 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 16:21.15 | dromer | jetscreamer: nothing upgraded |
| 16:21.17 | ironfroggy | stew: sorry, i had to get my son. now, what about host? |
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| 16:21.21 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 16:21.26 | Quintin | PriceChild: the problem is with nothing being done to fix things when there isn't enough space for text. |
| 16:21.37 | fasta | Quintin: report a bug if you care enough. If you care even more, patch it. |
| 16:21.39 | PriceChild | Quintin, well then why don't you do something about it? |
| 16:21.51 | Quintin | I'm reporting a bug. |
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| 16:21.51 | jetscreamer | you could get a monitor bigger than 640x480 |
| 16:21.54 | PriceChild | Quintin, nothing will be done until someone does something... so you do it! |
| 16:22.00 | fasta | Quintin: very constructive |
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| 16:22.13 | Ronin | Quintin: and dont report the bug like raf256 does |
| 16:22.18 | gui_ | who will say where is the name server who will resolving the PTR records ? |
| 16:22.30 | Quintin | jetscreamer: don't be a stupid cunt. thanks. |
| 16:22.38 | jeward | I just installed a new kernel, but it's not in menu.lst. Is there and easy way to get grub to list the kernel? |
| 16:22.41 | Quintin | jetscreamer: I have 3 monitors @ 1600x1200 |
| 16:22.48 | Quintin | jetscreamer: update-grub |
| 16:22.50 | capiira | where does apt place install scripts? |
| 16:22.55 | Quintin | jeward: update-grub |
| 16:23.02 | jeward | Quintin: Thanks! |
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| 16:23.52 | omar | anyone know of an OSS app like visio ? |
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| 16:23.58 | jetscreamer | gui_: you mean you want to install a nameserver? bind9 |
| 16:24.12 | jetscreamer | !info dia |
| 16:24.15 | dpkg | dia: (Diagram editor), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.96.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 182 kB, Installed size: 528 kB |
| 16:24.32 | Quintin | omar: dia' |
| 16:24.40 | gpm | a little slow there |
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| 16:24.52 | jetscreamer | he's too busy filing his bug |
| 16:24.54 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 16:24.57 | Quintin | omar: http://www.ale.org/archive/ale/ale-1998-10/msg00223.html |
| 16:25.04 | gpm | heh |
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| 16:25.20 | apt_get | Hi... where can I find --- nVidia Corporation nForce Ethernet Controller --- driver? |
| 16:25.24 | omar | thanks |
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| 16:25.47 | Quintin | apt_get: that should work out of the box.. as old as it is |
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| 16:25.57 | cast | apt_get: forcedeth iirc, its included in debian |
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| 16:26.04 | jetscreamer | apt-get you can try #nvidia if you can't find what you need |
| 16:26.20 | gpm | tab completion! |
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| 16:26.52 | jetscreamer | yeah i saw that |
| 16:27.00 | jetscreamer | he wouldn't tab complete for me |
| 16:27.08 | gpm | huh, does for me. on irssi? |
| 16:28.11 | jetscreamer | xchat |
| 16:28.32 | cahoot | jetscreamer, works fine here |
| 16:28.37 | Quintin | irssi ftw |
| 16:28.50 | jetscreamer | works now here too... weird |
| 16:28.51 | stew | ironfroggy: can you run, for instance "host a.root-servers.net 4.2.2.4" |
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| 16:29.36 | cahoot | jetscreamer, so no bug report then |
| 16:29.43 | jetscreamer | capiira: somewhere under /var/cache/apt i think |
| 16:30.05 | apt_get | ok |
| 16:30.22 | jetscreamer | !find forcedeth |
| 16:30.25 | stew | capiira: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 16:30.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'forcedeth' (3 of 16): (/lib/modules/2.6.21-1-k7/kernel/drivers/net/forcedeth.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.21-1-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.21-1-486/kernel/drivers/net/forcedeth.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.21-1-486 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.21-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/forcedeth.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.21-1-686. |
| 16:30.32 | jetscreamer | or not |
| 16:30.32 | capiira | thank you |
| 16:30.35 | dromer | ok so, I'm still not able to grub-install to my chrooted disk |
| 16:30.46 | stew | dromer: what does "ls -l /dev/sda" return? |
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| 16:31.03 | dromer | stew: when I'm chrooted? |
| 16:31.04 | zophy_ | anyone know of a really great discription of the apache access/error log contents ? |
| 16:31.04 | stew | dromer: (and that should return the same thing from both inside and outside the chroot) |
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| 16:31.17 | jetscreamer | not found i think he said earlier? |
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| 16:31.23 | jetscreamer | heinlein is your god |
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| 16:31.34 | jetscreamer | elder god |
| 16:31.37 | gui_ | jetscreamer, yes ... |
| 16:31.58 | dromer | stew: unchrooted: brw-rw---- 1 root plugdev 8, 0 2007-06-25 17:50 /dev/sda and chrooted: brw-rw---- 1 root 46 8, 0 Jun 25 15:50 /dev/sda |
| 16:32.12 | jetscreamer | gui_: apt-cache search bind9 |
| 16:32.17 | jetscreamer | apt-get install bind9 |
| 16:32.45 | gui_ | jetscreamer, you're the best |
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| 16:33.24 | stew | zophy_: lookup LogFormat on http://httpd.apache.org |
| 16:33.46 | stew | dromer: and running "grub-install /dev/sda" returns "Device not found"? |
| 16:33.56 | jetscreamer | my portuguese really sucks though |
| 16:34.01 | dromer | stew: from within the chroot ? |
| 16:34.12 | dragonfly | is it possible to set up RAID 0+1 or 1+0 during install....i only see options for 0, 1, and 5 |
| 16:34.13 | stew | dromer: yes |
| 16:34.22 | dromer | stew: : Not found or not a block device. |
| 16:34.55 | capiira | hmm is there a way to manually remove a package entry from apt? |
| 16:35.16 | jetscreamer | entry? |
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| 16:35.27 | jetscreamer | try dpkg --purge packagename |
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| 16:35.33 | capiira | nah dont work |
| 16:35.33 | jetscreamer | maybe some leftover confs |
| 16:35.48 | capiira | its a problem with commercial package |
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| 16:36.19 | capiira | partially installed and i already tried everything related to dpkg commands |
| 16:36.25 | jetscreamer | what is it that you are seeing the package entry in? a package manager? |
| 16:36.27 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 16:36.41 | jetscreamer | you tried dpkg -configure -a eh |
| 16:36.46 | capiira | yeah |
| 16:36.47 | capiira | hehe |
| 16:36.48 | jetscreamer | err --configure |
| 16:36.53 | capiira | -force-all too |
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| 16:37.27 | jetscreamer | seriously, try dselect, and hit the _ on the package.. it should be like the first entry in the selection menu |
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| 16:37.51 | jetscreamer | i've had luck with partially's that way |
| 16:37.56 | stew | capiira: show us the exact error you get trying to remove the packages, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:37.59 | jetscreamer | might work might not |
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| 16:38.17 | jetscreamer | dew what stew (sez) |
| 16:38.20 | jetscreamer | i should bind that |
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| 16:38.34 | dromer | hehe |
| 16:38.37 | dromer | you should ;) |
| 16:38.42 | gpm | do the stew |
| 16:38.45 | gpm | er |
| 16:38.45 | gpm | dew |
| 16:38.51 | gpm | that's not good anyway |
| 16:38.53 | gpm | for stew |
| 16:38.54 | jetscreamer | and mountain joined the do |
| 16:39.01 | yoshio | capiira: look at /var/lib/dpkg/status - I've manually edited this file (but that's not recommended) |
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| 16:40.19 | Jckf | How can I give one certain user read access to all the other user's directories? |
| 16:40.35 | capiira | let me see |
| 16:40.42 | cast | Jckf: man chmod |
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| 16:41.01 | cast | hmm, that might be convoluted |
| 16:41.11 | jetscreamer | make /home group writable and add him to all their groups would suck |
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| 16:41.35 | lvh | isnt this one of the reasons we invented the wheel group |
| 16:41.37 | Quintin | Jckf: man sudoers |
| 16:41.46 | DGnome | Hi, I have a bridging firewall with shorewall, can I somehow connect another subnet via the same firewall? |
| 16:41.48 | dromer | hmm, still getting the perl: warning: Setting locale failed, but I installed and setup locale already |
| 16:41.49 | Jckf | Its the apacher user... |
| 16:41.50 | jetscreamer | re-invented |
| 16:41.53 | Jckf | -r |
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| 16:42.32 | cast | Jckf: oh, let the users decide if they want other users reading ~/public_html :) there! not your problem |
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| 16:42.54 | jetscreamer | dromer: oh that's woody eh... i dimly remember always getting that |
| 16:42.55 | Quintin | Jckf: why does apache user need to read all users homedir? |
| 16:43.03 | dromer | jetscreamer: hahaha, hmm :/ |
| 16:43.08 | jetscreamer | dromer: it's ignorable, but bothersom |
| 16:43.09 | jetscreamer | e |
| 16:43.20 | dromer | stew: perhaps I need te grub-install /dev/sda without being in chroot ? |
| 16:43.29 | Jckf | Cause I get access denied when I try to list a directory via apache |
| 16:43.31 | jetscreamer | try grub-install hd0 ? |
| 16:43.41 | Quintin | Jckf: That is the users problem, not yours |
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| 16:43.45 | Quintin | Jckf: fix the file permissions |
| 16:43.50 | jetscreamer | .htaccess |
| 16:44.01 | jetscreamer | and i don't do apache |
| 16:44.06 | dromer | jetscreamer: Format of install_device not recognized. |
| 16:44.09 | Jckf | I would if I knew exactly what was causing this... |
| 16:44.11 | Quintin | jetscreamer: this isn't a .htaccess issue |
| 16:44.24 | jetscreamer | Quintin: k |
| 16:44.28 | h3sp4wn | dromer: You can do it from the chroot (I use exactly that command on my system but I do use a seperate /boot) |
| 16:44.30 | Quintin | Jckf: make your homedir 701 |
| 16:44.37 | stew | dromer: you can, you'll have to pass the --root-directory option (which i think is documented in /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz) |
| 16:44.40 | Quintin | Jckf: make public_html 705 |
| 16:45.07 | jetscreamer | dromer: what wil work is to boot a cd with grub on it, hit c for a grubshell, and boot the woody manually |
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| 16:45.22 | Jckf | Quintin: chmod or chmod -R ? |
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| 16:45.28 | Quintin | Jckf: chmod |
| 16:45.28 | capiira | cool thx yoshio !!! prob fixed :D |
| 16:45.29 | dromer | jetscreamer: like I said earlier, the laptop has: ne flopyy, no cdrom, no grub |
| 16:45.31 | magic_user | debian seems nice |
| 16:45.32 | dromer | er, no usb |
| 16:45.35 | Quintin | Jckf: chmod -R for public_html |
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| 16:45.39 | jetscreamer | oh no cd |
| 16:45.40 | Jckf | ok |
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| 16:45.41 | dromer | h3sp4wn: tell me! |
| 16:45.50 | jetscreamer | pxeboot baybee |
| 16:46.03 | roccoo | hi, i have a problem with debian in general |
| 16:46.13 | jetscreamer | roccoo: ok install something else |
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| 16:46.44 | roccoo | lol the problem is that there aren't new packages |
| 16:46.54 | jetscreamer | run sid or lenny |
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| 16:46.56 | Jckf | <Quintin> Jckf: make your homedir 701 |
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| 16:47.09 | Jckf | /home or /home/username? |
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| 16:47.28 | J_P | hi all |
| 16:47.42 | jetscreamer | does anybody have any idea exactly what Quintin is getting homedude to do? |
| 16:47.49 | redduck666 | hi J_P |
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| 16:48.02 | Quintin | Jckf: describe your problem *completely* please. to have apache be able to get into dirs, it needs at least execute perms |
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| 16:48.44 | Quintin | Jckf: so, you'd to chmod 701 /home/jckf, and probably chmod -R 755 /home/jckf/public_html (if I understand your problem correctly) |
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| 16:48.57 | dragonfly | how can I set up raid10 during install? |
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| 16:49.04 | Jckf | Apache can get the files requested and give out index.*, but it cannot list the contents of a directory with no index. That causes access denied |
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| 16:49.55 | Quintin | Jckf: what are the permissions on the directory in question? |
| 16:49.58 | h3sp4wn | dromer: try it from outside the chroot with - grubinstall --recheck --root-directory=/path/tochroot /dev/sda (dunno if it will work just looked at the docs) |
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| 16:50.17 | roccoo | i tried to compile avant windows navigator with a ppc, but i completely failed, so someone did a deb for me (with ubuntu feisty on ppc) and when i tried to install it i found out that i had 20 packages required installed but old (OMG!) |
| 16:51.11 | roccoo | and the ./autoconf.sh didn't say anything |
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| 16:51.37 | Jckf | Quintin: drwxrwxrwx |
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| 16:51.59 | cast | hah. never knew cron put a daily backup of /etc/shadow in /var/backups |
| 16:52.04 | roccoo | how can i update them if the system say i have the latest versions? |
| 16:52.07 | jetscreamer | you mean 20 of your installed packages were too old, or you magically got 20 packages installed, which were old |
| 16:52.24 | dragonfly | Jckf, there is an option in the apache.conf that allows for users to browse directories with no index |
| 16:52.26 | roccoo | 20 packages installed but old |
| 16:52.27 | jetscreamer | you'll have to wait untill the debian version overtakes the ubuntu version |
| 16:52.32 | dromer | h3sp4wn: ok, it did 'something' no errors, but I'm not sure if the device-map is correct, since my original /dev/ van still mounted to the chroot-dir |
| 16:52.35 | jetscreamer | does the app work? |
| 16:52.41 | roccoo | no |
| 16:52.46 | Quintin | Jckf: then you need to enable direcory indexes either in your global apache configuration or on a per-directory basis with .htaccessfiles |
| 16:52.58 | Jckf | It is enabled |
| 16:53.06 | roccoo | no new applications work |
| 16:53.07 | h3sp4wn | dromer: what does the devicemap say ? |
| 16:53.16 | jetscreamer | this is why you don't want to mix ubuntu and debian... i just did a conversion to learn about it :) |
| 16:53.21 | roccoo | pidgin, avant window navigator |
| 16:53.33 | Quintin | Jckf: anything in apache error log ? |
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| 16:53.43 | Quintin | Jckf: are you *sure* it's enabled? |
| 16:53.55 | dromer | h3sp4wn: (fd0) /dev/fd0 (hd0) /dev/hda (hd1) /dev/hdb (hd2) /dev/sda |
| 16:53.56 | jetscreamer | you probably need to compile it yourself or search for a backport or somehting |
| 16:53.57 | roccoo | the problem is that debian is the only good distribution |
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| 16:54.23 | roccoo | i try to compile but i haven't got that packages |
| 16:54.37 | jetscreamer | mv /boot/grub/device.map /boot/grub/device.map.old and rerun |
| 16:54.40 | Jckf | Quintin: Directory index forbidden by Options directive: /home/somestuff |
| 16:54.47 | Jckf | =| |
| 16:54.53 | Jckf | Looks like I've not enabled it |
| 16:54.54 | jetscreamer | it will probe the bios and write a new device.map |
| 16:55.09 | piti | Hello. I want to uninstall a package with many dependences. how can I store them to reinstall after changing my package ? |
| 16:55.09 | Quintin | Jckf: yea /var/log is a source of limitless knowledge |
| 16:55.20 | Jckf | =) |
| 16:55.24 | Jckf | Thanks for the help |
| 16:55.27 | Quintin | np |
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| 16:55.42 | jetscreamer | piti: if you didn't clear the cache, they're in /var/cache/apt/archives ... |
| 16:55.53 | rambo3 | and harcker like cat file |
| 16:56.31 | roccoo | i don't want to install ubuntu it's hard to find and the live cd puts the hell on that screen |
| 16:56.34 | piti | jetscreamer: and I can "restore" packages which are in the cache ? |
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| 16:56.52 | roccoo | i have 192 mb of ram |
| 16:56.57 | jetscreamer | piti: yes |
| 16:57.06 | redduck666 | piti: i would remove the package without removing the dependecies. |
| 16:57.14 | redduck666 | i'm not saying it's good idea tho :) |
| 16:57.23 | piti | jetscreamer: how ? |
| 16:57.25 | jetscreamer | roccoo: what i do with the ubuntu cd is hit f6 and append vga=normal nosplash single :) |
| 16:57.58 | roccoo | ? |
| 16:58.07 | jetscreamer | piti: just cp the .debs somewhere and cp them back when you want to apt-get or whatever... or just cd to the dir and dpkg -i *.deb |
| 16:58.16 | Quintin | roccoo: uh, 'hard to find'? hell on that screen? wtf? |
| 16:58.38 | piti | jetscreamer : ok tank you |
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| 16:58.57 | roccoo | lol i have a 32 bit ppc @ 333 mhz and 192 mb of ram... |
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| 16:59.13 | ^Timo^ | Hi. |
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| 16:59.23 | ^Timo^ | i am searching for a good ftp server for debian |
| 16:59.37 | ^Timo^ | anyone knows something good to use for hostings ? |
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| 16:59.41 | Gromgull | i distupgrade'd to SID and now my GDM has really ugly unthemed controls. Does anyone know what's going on? |
| 16:59.55 | Quintin | ^Timo^: ftp is crap. insecure. mangles files. use something else. |
| 17:00.24 | ^Timo^ | Quintin : like what ? |
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| 17:00.36 | redduck666 | ^Timo^: scponly. |
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| 17:01.25 | Quintin | ^Timo^: scp, duh |
| 17:01.31 | cast | ^Timo^: vsftpd is probably the best ftp server |
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| 17:01.42 | dromer | hmm, I don't think the grub-install worked ... the laptop is beeping very violently :P |
| 17:01.43 | artwood | hello!, I have found this how to http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide#Download_the_ATI_driver_installer I have a problem with a step...someone can help me? |
| 17:01.44 | Quintin | ^Timo^: Are you wanting to like do shared hosting for some people? You can tell them to use winscp to upload their things. easy |
| 17:01.50 | Quintin | cast: shush :p |
| 17:01.51 | jetscreamer | Gromgull: no, but you might try installing some themes |
| 17:02.11 | dromer | stew jetscreamer h3sp4wn: hmm, I don't think the grub-install worked ... the laptop is beeping very violently :P |
| 17:02.22 | cast | Quintin: then he has to give them a shell...as etch's sshd doesn't have sftp only accounts afaik, or use scponly |
| 17:02.27 | Gromgull | jetscreamer: i have several themes, the background etc. is fine, but the buttons and text-box looks like motif |
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| 17:03.49 | rahul | artwood: if you told us what step it was, maybe we wouldn't have to expend extra effort to help you... |
| 17:04.01 | artwood | :) ok |
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| 17:04.50 | artwood | rahul:when I have try sudo apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-kernel-src , it tell me that can't find fglrx |
| 17:05.10 | jetscreamer | Gromgull: 'probably' rm'ing all the .gconf* and .gnome* et al and there is much al, in ~ would 'fix' it .. mv them somewhere and try... you can always put them back |
| 17:05.12 | rahul | artwood: fglrx-what? |
| 17:05.23 | rahul | artwood: do you have non-free in your sources.list? |
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| 17:05.36 | artwood | mmm maybe no |
| 17:05.37 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search fglrx |
| 17:05.43 | abrotman | !fgrlx one-liner |
| 17:05.57 | abrotman | stupid spelling |
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| 17:06.18 | jetscreamer | !listkeys fglrx |
| 17:06.19 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'fglrx' by key (6): fglrx-oneliner ;; fglrx one-liner ;; #debian-bots fglrx ;; fglrx ;; _default fglrx ;; #debian fglrx. |
| 17:06.22 | mountain | dromer: If you're slightly sadistic you could try converting the swap partition to a fat partition, making it bootable, installing syslinux onto it, shuffle the kernel across, that should JustWork(tm) as far as booting goes, then once in linux, covert the fat partition back to swap, and do grub-install from the laptop.. (err, sounds like fun, no?) |
| 17:06.27 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 17:06.28 | dpkg | well, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 17:06.37 | Quintin | ok |
| 17:06.41 | cast | 'star is able to detect renamed files by comparing inode numbers' awesome! |
| 17:06.44 | Quintin | that is WAY MORE than one line. |
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| 17:06.48 | Lukian | The NVIDIA kernel module does not appear to be receiving interrupts generated by the NVIDIA graphics device. <- What can I do with regard to this error? I've gone through all the steps in the README and even changed the device IRQ numerous times. |
| 17:06.54 | Quintin | That's at least three lines. |
| 17:06.56 | dromer | mountain: hahaha, yeah it does ;) care to help? :P |
| 17:06.59 | ^Timo^ | Quintin : hmm.. is winscp used for linux ? the name says win (scp) :P |
| 17:06.59 | roccoo | a banda de froci |
| 17:07.04 | jetscreamer | or split the swap partition and keep a small vfat around for such purposes and have swap too |
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| 17:07.08 | roccoo | mettetevelo ar culo debian |
| 17:07.10 | ^Timo^ | and google tells me that it is for windows |
| 17:07.15 | jetscreamer | i mean seriously, who uses swap? |
| 17:07.21 | roccoo | porco dio |
| 17:07.22 | Quintin | ^Timo^: no. start at the beginning.. what are you trying to do? |
| 17:07.23 | jetscreamer | everybody check how much |
| 17:07.51 | Lukian | Yeah, I have no swap partition :) |
| 17:07.56 | Quintin | I'm using 231m now. |
| 17:08.09 | Quintin | server is using 0, router is using 0, other server is using 0, dev machine is using 0 |
| 17:08.15 | jetscreamer | i'm using 25mb |
| 17:08.36 | dromer | jetscreamer: the laptop has only 16mb .. it kind of needs it's swap :P |
| 17:08.38 | jetscreamer | and i only have 256 now that my 1gb stick got trashed |
| 17:08.47 | jetscreamer | i'm not saying do w/o swap |
| 17:08.49 | ^Timo^ | Quintin : i want to let users upload to my server by using ftp clients most likely leechftp (a ftp client i preffer) |
| 17:08.51 | Quintin | although, I'm pretty sure that 231m is from an app that had a memory leak |
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| 17:09.09 | jetscreamer | i'm saying take a little off and make a vfat partition also |
| 17:09.17 | Quintin | jetscreamer: your swap is on a flash drive..? |
| 17:09.20 | mountain | dromer: I'm sure I've done all the steps required in the past, just a matter of wheter I'd help you or not ;p I'm gunna wander outside and kill myself abit, will (try to) help when I get back. (~5mins) |
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| 17:09.24 | Quintin | ^Timo^: What OS are these people using? |
| 17:09.26 | jetscreamer | no not mine |
| 17:09.42 | chops | Is there an easy way to make samba ignore smbpasswd and just check passwords against /etc/shadow? |
| 17:09.46 | jetscreamer | i was using swapfiles for a while |
| 17:09.51 | Quintin | chops: /join #samba |
| 17:09.53 | jetscreamer | but back to a partition atm |
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| 17:10.04 | Quintin | chops: NT and unix hash passwords differently |
| 17:10.06 | dromer | mountain: hehe ok, though I'm gonna get out for diner in less then half an hour .. nso perhaps another day ;) |
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| 17:10.57 | chops | Quintin: Ah, makes sense. That sounds like a "no" then :-) |
| 17:11.01 | chops | Quintin: Thanks |
| 17:11.12 | Quintin | chops: np |
| 17:11.24 | jetscreamer | 87mb ram 25swap .... and i'm running gnome atm omg |
| 17:11.39 | ^Timo^ | Quintin : most of the users windows xp |
| 17:11.58 | Quintin | ^Timo^: ok. then just tell them to use winscp.. |
| 17:12.13 | Quintin | jetscreamer: hm.. I'm using 724m :p |
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| 17:12.31 | jetscreamer | i oly have 3 things open though |
| 17:12.37 | ^Timo^ | winscp is some webbased upload manager? |
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| 17:12.49 | jetscreamer | google it |
| 17:12.50 | Quintin | ^Timo^: it's a scp client. stfw, thanks. |
| 17:12.57 | jetscreamer | works well i like it |
| 17:13.02 | dromer | ^Timo^: it's an ftp/scp client for windows |
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| 17:13.29 | Quintin | How come I have differnet fonts in firefox under KDE than I do under GNOME? |
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| 17:13.53 | ruoso_ | Hi... is there any program that takes a .ps file and convert it in a way to print two pages into one (side-by-side)? I'm trying to use the printer feature to that, but it's failing... |
| 17:14.13 | ruoso_ | So making the ps myself seems like the natural option |
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| 17:14.52 | Madsy | Someone I'm helping is running sarge, and has to update his sources.list in order to get the right mirror. The mirrors are postfixed with "stable main" |
| 17:15.12 | Madsy | As sarge isn't stable anymore (etch is), what do he have to change? |
| 17:15.13 | Quintin | Madsy: 'oldstable' ? or 'sarge' |
| 17:15.24 | Quintin | Generally best to use codenames in sources.list |
| 17:15.32 | Madsy | "sarge stable main" ? Are you sure? :) |
| 17:15.38 | Quintin | Madsy: of course I'm sure |
| 17:15.39 | stew | ^Timo^: you are looking for an ftp server? vsftpd or pure-ftpd. they are trying to tell you that ftp isn't the best protocol and you should consider using scp instead, most likely, it would require a different program for your users, and winscp is one program that would do scp |
| 17:15.44 | Madsy | Quintin: Thanks a lot |
| 17:15.53 | Quintin | stew: no, urgh. ftp is bad |
| 17:15.53 | ruoso_ | Madsy, you need to take the "stable" off |
| 17:15.59 | stew | Quintin: no what? |
| 17:16.11 | ruoso_ | Madsy, it's just "sarge main" |
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| 17:16.17 | Quintin | Madsy: yea, no 'stable' |
| 17:16.24 | setuid | How can I stop Debian from re-generating my Sendmail config at every boot? |
| 17:16.36 | Quintin | stew: nm, read the rest of what you siad |
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| 17:17.12 | jetscreamer | you go girl |
| 17:18.23 | magic_user | the power of startup scripts |
| 17:18.24 | magic_user | !! |
| 17:18.24 | dpkg | [!] I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
| 17:18.37 | jetscreamer | !botsnack |
| 17:18.37 | dpkg | jetscreamer: aw, gee |
| 17:19.21 | jetscreamer | i hate counting down the time till work, esp when it's close like this :( |
| 17:19.23 | mountain | dromer: Oh well, no problem then :p Could at least try deleting the swap partition, and recreate it as a fat16 (or 32) partition, make it bootable, and install syslinux on it (syslinux /dev/whateverthenewfatpartitionis); then throw that in the laptop and at least see if the idea has promise. should only take a couple of minutes (err, in theory) |
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| 17:19.40 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you could just go in early :) |
| 17:19.53 | mountain | should error out, but it'll be promising if it's a syslinux error :p |
| 17:19.54 | magic_user | I love it that X swaps on X disks will be used independantly |
| 17:19.56 | magic_user | by linux |
| 17:20.04 | magic_user | and speed things up |
| 17:20.09 | magic_user | NICE |
| 17:20.13 | magic_user | tits!! |
| 17:20.23 | dromer | mountain: _how_ do I install syslinux? |
| 17:20.26 | Lukian | how does swap speed things up? :p |
| 17:20.40 | stew | dromer: why on earth would you want to use syslinux instead of grub? |
| 17:20.42 | mountain | dromer: aptitude install syslinux |
| 17:20.46 | jetscreamer | abrotman: no tunes :/ |
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| 17:21.19 | curt | abrotman, what do you make of this http://paste.debian.net/31353 |
| 17:21.36 | abrotman | curt: it's an unknown post |
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| 17:21.47 | mountain | stew: because grub isn't working, and it'll only be used to bootstrap so he can then install grub. (cause whatever's been tried, hasn't worked) |
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| 17:22.01 | jetscreamer | set the bios to boot the usb hd and boot into the installation and run grub-install in a normal env |
| 17:22.25 | stew | dromer: what happens when you run "grub-install --root-directory=/path/to/chroot /dev/sda" ? |
| 17:22.26 | curt | abrotman, i think it expired. it just really shows that restarting apache2 frees about 1g memory. I will paste it again here. |
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| 17:22.41 | stew | dromer: is /boot to be separate partition from / ? |
| 17:22.48 | Quintin | Lukian: he's referring to the fact that linux kernel will stripe across multiple swap partitions |
| 17:22.55 | Quintin | magic_user: just make sure they have the same prio |
| 17:23.24 | dromer | stew: it installs, and makes a devicemap, but when I put the disk in the laptop, it just beeps violently on boot :P |
| 17:23.33 | jetscreamer | or the fact that installers autodetect swap |
| 17:23.39 | jetscreamer | and live cd's |
| 17:23.42 | dromer | stew: syslinux is to be able to boot on the laptop, then fix grub localy |
| 17:24.01 | redduck666 | dromer: if you can't boot how will you install syslinux? |
| 17:24.02 | jetscreamer | why not just boot the usb hd where it is on the desktop |
| 17:24.05 | jetscreamer | and fix it |
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| 17:24.06 | stew | dromer: what is in the device.map? what did you have in the #groot= and #kopt= lines in menu.lst? |
| 17:24.11 | dromer | stew: and no, /boot is on the same partition as / |
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| 17:24.20 | dromer | redduck666: I'm installing on my desktop |
| 17:24.25 | jetscreamer | woody didn't have grub |
| 17:24.35 | curt | abrotman, here it is again: http://paste.debian.net/31367 |
| 17:24.38 | redduck666 | woody? :) |
| 17:24.40 | jetscreamer | did it? |
| 17:24.44 | stew | dromer: if you installed from outside the chroot, i'd expect that you have to maybe fix device.map, and almost definately fix the other two |
| 17:24.50 | Lukian | Quintin: Wouldn't it be best if the data stayed in memory and didn't have to be loaded from disk? ;) |
| 17:24.52 | jetscreamer | he's installing woody |
| 17:24.53 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 17:24.55 | stew | dromer: (then run update-grub from inside the chroot) |
| 17:25.22 | curt | abrotman, I can't restart apache2 fast enough .. well I can but I really considered restarting it in a script or cron. |
| 17:25.27 | stew | Lukian: if the data wasn't going to be accessed anytime soon, keeping it in memory would show your machine down since its using memory that could be better used as disk cache |
| 17:25.29 | dromer | hmm, somehow there's a /boot/boot/ |
| 17:25.37 | dromer | which holds more files than /boot |
| 17:25.43 | jetscreamer | because you told it to |
| 17:25.46 | jetscreamer | been there |
| 17:25.48 | stew | dromer: what did you pass as --root-directory? |
| 17:26.26 | dromer | stew: /media/woody-root |
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| 17:26.29 | Quintin | Lukian: that depends. swap allows the kernel to put less important data on the disk, so programs that need it can have more mem |
| 17:26.40 | abrotman | curt: how many are you starting? |
| 17:26.45 | Lukian | good points, I guess it becomes less useful with more ram :) |
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| 17:27.19 | curt | abrotman, start is 10 |
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| 17:27.40 | stew | dromer: it was probably created by some previous run then |
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| 17:28.07 | curt | abrotman, for prefork I have 10-8-16-50-1500 respectively |
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| 17:28.19 | dromer | stew: ok, wait, I'm getting confused .. I was looking in my desktops /boot ... or something :P |
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| 17:28.41 | abrotman | yay |
| 17:28.43 | Quintin | I wish someone would put together the good bits in KDE and GNOME |
| 17:28.46 | abrotman | curt: that seems reasonable. . how does each one actually take ? |
| 17:28.52 | jetscreamer | i have |
| 17:28.57 | curt | abrotman, about 50m |
| 17:29.00 | abrotman | Quintin: they'd call it KNOME ? or GDE ? |
| 17:29.01 | jetscreamer | would you like my --get-selections ? |
| 17:29.04 | abrotman | curt: how many modules are yuo loading ? |
| 17:29.16 | jetscreamer | only 14.95 for the first kb |
| 17:29.21 | dromer | stew: but the chroot-disk also has /boot/boot |
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| 17:29.30 | jetscreamer | err b |
| 17:29.33 | Quintin | I don't care what they call it, but at least then I might have a desktop that doesn't suck |
| 17:29.33 | curt | abrotman, root 18376 0.8 2.5 70808 51104 ? Ss 11:13 0:38 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 17:29.47 | dromer | stew: btw, I have to appologise, my desktop is a kubuntu feisty :# |
| 17:29.51 | stew | dromer: yeah, you should get rid of it and rerun grub-install |
| 17:30.06 | dromer | stew: from chroot or from desktop? |
| 17:30.10 | Quintin | Just for example, konqueror is pretty cool in how it will preview lots of files, and can load them directly instead of launching an external app. contrast this with nautilus, which is just *trash* :p |
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| 17:30.14 | curt | abrotman, nothing really other than php and perl .. other modules are standard apache |
| 17:30.30 | abrotman | stew: could you help me with a bluetooth problem? |
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| 17:30.32 | stew | dromer: then you should fix #kopt= and #groot= inside menu.list and make sure device.map matches and run update-grub inside the chroot |
| 17:30.36 | stew | dromer: doesn't matter |
| 17:30.56 | stew | abrotman: you shouldn't be having any problems. the linux bluetooth support is 100% without flaw |
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| 17:31.01 | abrotman | curt: i assume it's caching pages in RAM .. is it a heavily loaded system ? |
| 17:31.13 | abrotman | stew: golly .. i feel silly and somewhat stupid .. i just can't make it work reliably ... |
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| 17:31.42 | abrotman | stew: maybe i should try something more up to date like ubuntu?!? |
| 17:31.44 | curt | abrotman, what size is normal for the apache children? I thought that they were normally 5-10m This box only runs a several web sites so it is not loaded at all. |
| 17:32.10 | abrotman | curt: on a box using only PHP .. mine are much much smaller |
| 17:32.43 | abrotman | curt: sarge or etch ? |
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| 17:33.17 | curt | abrotman, This whole thing might be better asked over in apache but I do appreciate your insight. I had etch and this morning dist-up'd to lenny to see if anything was fixed (not)) |
| 17:33.22 | abrotman | curt: you will seem some memory freed when you restart apache .. or any daemon usually |
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| 17:34.02 | abrotman | curt: possibly try excluding perl or php from the list of modules .. and see if the usage goes down |
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| 17:35.53 | curt | abrotman, it is a very steady increase in ram usage until the services start shutting down and I get locked out of the box. So I have to keep on top of restarting apache2 or else. I am going to try axing perl as I don't really us it but php is pretty much essential for this box. |
| 17:36.23 | abrotman | curt: seems like a decent plan |
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| 17:36.53 | jakub_ | * debian * |
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| 17:37.01 | jakub_ | System for human beings |
| 17:37.17 | dromer | stew: hmm, rerun of grub doesn't do anything .. |
| 17:37.19 | Quintin | linux isn't for human beings, it's for sysadmins |
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| 17:37.33 | dromer | stew: I think I'll trcy another day :P |
| 17:37.34 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 17:37.36 | dromer | gotta go now :P |
| 17:37.42 | SamuraiDio | how can i reconfigure my X? |
| 17:37.49 | redduck666 | Quintin: no. nowadays it can be even for users. |
| 17:37.57 | magic_user | does debian have any kinda of clustering of jobs between multiple nodes setup? |
| 17:37.57 | Quintin | in special cases |
| 17:38.01 | redduck666 | SamuraiDio: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 17:38.25 | dromer | SamuraiDio: vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf or what redduck666 said :P |
| 17:38.34 | SamuraiDio | tnx |
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| 17:39.14 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 17:39.14 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 17:39.45 | SamuraiDio | !xmd5sum |
| 17:39.45 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 17:40.34 | magic_user | hm |
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| 17:41.00 | CalJohn | is Etch/Lenny on amd64 able to emulate x86 programs via the emulation libraries (like gentoo)? |
| 17:41.01 | GeeTux | yetifoot: hi |
| 17:41.21 | magic_user | so debain does not have you simply use xorgconfigure? |
| 17:41.39 | magic_user | The trck usually is have the driver isntalled for your vidcard first |
| 17:41.43 | magic_user | in my experience |
| 17:41.44 | ingek | debian ? |
| 17:41.53 | magic_user | yes |
| 17:41.56 | ingek | :) |
| 17:41.58 | magic_user | this is the debian room? |
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| 17:42.22 | magic_user | you have to use a dpkg command to reconfigure xorg? |
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| 17:42.32 | Quintin | magic_user: that's the smartest way to do it. |
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| 17:42.46 | SamuraiDio | whats the variants to use ' as ´ and " as ¨ on an us keyboard? |
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| 17:43.20 | ingek | GAdminSquid sure seems tasty :) |
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| 17:43.26 | redduck666 | SamuraiDio: xmodmap? |
| 17:43.43 | stew | magic_user: upstream got rid of xorgconfigure and xorgcfg afaik |
| 17:44.00 | SamuraiDio | redduck666, i found it, |
| 17:44.05 | GeeTux | yetifoot: ? |
| 17:44.14 | SamuraiDio | 'int1' to use as an internacional keyborad |
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| 17:45.58 | arcil_ | hey how can i get the xorg.conf of the debian netinst disc using the installgui option? |
| 17:47.11 | arcil_ | or where do i have to look to find out the configs options? |
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| 17:47.47 | stew | isntallgui use X? i thought it was svga |
| 17:48.15 | sparr | after I "apt-get source whatever", and then modify the source, how do i rebuild the package with the same options the original packager used? |
| 17:48.16 | ingek | Automatic xorg.conf generation, as root do: X -configure && mv /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf && startx |
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| 17:48.30 | stew | sparr: 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot' |
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| 17:49.09 | sparr | stew: from where? apt-get source gets the the .tar.gz files, do i have to recompress them? if not, do i have to open the non-source ones before i build? |
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| 17:50.23 | stew | sparr: apt-get sources gets the tar.gz/.dsc/.diff.gz, and runs "dpkg-source -x foo.dsc" which untars into a subdirectory of $PWD, and applies the debian patches. you should be making changes in this subdirectory, and running dpkg-buildpackge from there |
| 17:50.38 | sparr | ahh, i didnt know it applied the patches already |
| 17:50.39 | sparr | thanks |
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| 17:53.22 | stew | sparr: and you might consider bumping the version number before you build with "dch --nmu" |
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| 18:00.14 | manitou_ | hi ! i give up opensuse , now i'm on Debian etch ! only how to upgrade kernel to 2.6.19 and up ? i wanna sensors ! they not work with 2.6.18 !! |
| 18:00.39 | valdyn | manitou_: why do you think so? |
| 18:00.54 | manitou_ | i tryed but nothing |
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| 18:01.00 | valdyn | manitou_: tried what? |
| 18:01.02 | stew | manitou_: what did you try? |
| 18:01.10 | manitou_ | they not work on suse too |
| 18:01.20 | manitou_ | sensors-detect etc. |
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| 18:01.29 | tchmnkyz | hey all |
| 18:01.33 | manitou_ | heya |
| 18:01.36 | holycow | hmmm |
| 18:01.37 | valdyn | manitou_: sensors-detect is not finding anything? |
| 18:01.53 | holycow | guys i'm noticing lpr drivers and cups drivers out there ... typically one wants to use cups over lpr right? |
| 18:01.56 | manitou_ | yes just GPU temp |
| 18:02.09 | valdyn | holycow: yes |
| 18:02.17 | valdyn | manitou_: on which gfx chip? |
| 18:02.19 | tchmnkyz | i have a problem after upgrading to etch, i am trying to remove pdns and it just kinda hangs at "Removing pdns-backend-mysql ..." and just sitts there and hangs till i ctr+c it |
| 18:02.33 | tchmnkyz | any idea why it would do that |
| 18:02.36 | holycow | valdyn, lpr is an old protocol supplanted by cups i presume? |
| 18:02.47 | manitou_ | valdyn, no fans no cpu temp no voltage |
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| 18:02.58 | valdyn | manitou_: on which gfx card? |
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| 18:03.16 | manitou_ | nvidia 7600 GT pci |
| 18:03.24 | valdyn | manitou_: uh, no cpu temp sounds liks you should look into /proc/acpi/ |
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| 18:03.33 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 18:03.39 | valdyn | manitou_: nvidia cards have their own way, i doubt lm-sensors supports any |
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| 18:04.19 | valdyn | manitou_: run nvidia-settings or use gkrellm to monitor your nvidia card |
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| 18:04.42 | manitou_ | iyes i use gkrellm |
| 18:05.03 | valdyn | holycow: yea |
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| 18:05.33 | manitou_ | valdyn sensors not work in 2.6.18 |
| 18:05.44 | valdyn | holycow: the lpr command is available for cups too |
| 18:05.50 | valdyn | manitou_: uh? |
| 18:06.00 | valdyn | manitou_: did you check /proc/acpi/ yet? |
| 18:06.29 | tchmnkyz | anyone? |
| 18:06.35 | manitou_ | valdyn, empty |
| 18:06.38 | valdyn | manitou_: nvidia-settings isnt a kernel tool, its nvidias tool for inspecting your nvidia gfx card, _unrelated_ to kernel |
| 18:06.40 | biz | is there a quick way to _listen_ on a certain tcp port, eg. using netcat or some small tool? just for testing purposes |
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| 18:06.57 | ingek | netcat will do |
| 18:07.05 | valdyn | manitou_: lsmod | grep thermal |
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| 18:07.11 | manitou_ | valdyn, i see GPU |
| 18:07.34 | holycow | valdyn, thank you |
| 18:07.34 | unsolo | How do i install to a software raid1 |
| 18:07.50 | unsolo | any special cd boot option needed |
| 18:07.57 | manitou_ | thermal 13896 5 |
| 18:07.57 | manitou_ | processor 29128 6 thermal |
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| 18:08.27 | valdyn | manitou_: so your /proc/acpi/ isnt empty |
| 18:08.53 | manitou_ | yea maps inside , they are empty |
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| 18:09.02 | valdyn | maps? |
| 18:09.11 | valdyn | 'thermal_zone' ? |
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| 18:09.34 | manitou_ | yes |
| 18:09.42 | manitou_ | and all of them |
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| 18:10.12 | J_P | anyone know how open another X, but in CTRL+ALT+F8 ? |
| 18:10.16 | manitou_ | ac_adapter , battery ..... |
| 18:11.02 | valdyn | J_P: X login? |
| 18:11.07 | valdyn | J_P: another X login? |
| 18:11.17 | J_P | valdyn: yes |
| 18:11.22 | J_P | valdyn: not |
| 18:11.31 | valdyn | J_P: hmm? |
| 18:11.37 | J_P | valdyn: I would like open another X to get X from remote machine... |
| 18:11.53 | J_P | valdyn: can see in a xterm too |
| 18:11.57 | valdyn | J_P: which *dm are you using? |
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| 18:12.05 | J_P | valdyn: like as a OmniX for windows |
| 18:12.13 | J_P | valdyn: gnome |
| 18:12.25 | valdyn | uhuh |
| 18:12.30 | grew | J_P: X :1 |
| 18:12.34 | grew | will open another x server |
| 18:12.35 | valdyn | J_P: run 'gdmflexiserver' |
| 18:14.06 | valdyn | manitou_: http://www.backports.org/ for newer kernels |
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| 18:16.01 | manitou_ | valdyn, ok i vill |
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| 18:17.25 | magic_user | hey debian debian |
| 18:17.27 | magic_user | !! |
| 18:17.27 | dpkg | i heard ! is I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
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| 18:18.24 | J_P | valdyn: hey |
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| 18:18.48 | J_P | valdyn: that open another gnome... I would like alternate between two gnome, is possible ? |
| 18:19.10 | valdyn | J_P: no, its opens another gdm login screen |
| 18:19.36 | valdyn | J_P: that's not gnome, and does not necessarily log you into gnome, mind that 'Session' button |
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| 18:19.42 | J_P | valdyn: I would like alternate btween two window manager, understand ? |
| 18:20.02 | valdyn | J_P: so pick a different session |
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| 18:20.23 | J_P | valdyn: how ? |
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| 18:21.35 | valdyn | J_P: click on Session on your login screen |
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| 18:23.04 | unsolo | anyone know how to install to a software raid ? |
| 18:23.18 | sparr | stew: dcn --nmu opens the changelog, how do i bump the version in there? |
| 18:23.21 | sparr | dch |
| 18:23.22 | valdyn | unsolo: to software raid with windows on it? |
| 18:23.31 | valdyn | unsolo: or just debian on that box? |
| 18:23.32 | unsolo | no |
| 18:23.52 | unsolo | format and set up soft raid douring install would be preferable |
| 18:23.58 | valdyn | unsolo: the debian installer should offer you to use linux software raid |
| 18:24.11 | unsolo | from the netinstall cd |
| 18:24.14 | unsolo | ? |
| 18:24.15 | valdyn | unsolo: i havent used the installer so i dont know where exactly, im sure its in the install guide |
| 18:24.18 | unsolo | didnt se it |
| 18:24.19 | valdyn | !ig |
| 18:24.19 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 18:24.26 | valdyn | unsolo: read the ig |
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| 18:24.49 | J_P | valdyn: come back :-) |
| 18:24.50 | stew | sparr: --nmu does bump the version to add a .1 to the end, consider making that something like +somefeature |
| 18:25.03 | valdyn | J_P: uh? |
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| 18:25.22 | J_P | valdyn: youknow how open another session ? |
| 18:25.22 | stew | sparr: so, for instance, if you are editing 1.2.3-1 ; --nmu will make it 1.2.3-1.1, i'd suggest using something more informative like 1.2.3-1+somepatch |
| 18:25.25 | sparr | stew: so the build takes the version out of the changelog? |
| 18:25.39 | valdyn | J_P: you must be very confused |
| 18:25.53 | stew | sparr: yes |
| 18:25.56 | valdyn | J_P: you run 'gdmflexiserver', you pick a Session by clicking on Session, you log in. |
| 18:26.11 | sparr | lol |
| 18:26.19 | sparr | my /etc/alternatives/editor points to joe |
| 18:26.21 | sparr | which ive never used |
| 18:26.48 | stew | sparr: update-alternatives --config editor |
| 18:26.55 | ingek | GNU/MC is the shit |
| 18:27.01 | J_P | valdyn: but I would like alternate between two session see ? |
| 18:27.14 | valdyn | J_P: what's the problem? |
| 18:27.26 | sparr | stew: yeah, already did |
| 18:27.29 | valdyn | J_P: one session will be on ctrl-alt-f7, the other on ctrl-alt-f8 |
| 18:27.33 | J_P | valdyn: how do this : alternate between two sessions ? |
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| 18:27.39 | J_P | humm |
| 18:27.42 | sparr | stew: fun... if i just add "+" to the version, and save, then dch refuses to reopen the changelog. bug? |
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| 18:28.07 | J_P | valdyn: that gdmflexiserver open in ctrl+alt+f8 ? |
| 18:28.14 | stew | sparr: what do you mean by "refuses"? does it give you an error? |
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| 18:28.28 | valdyn | J_P: if its free, yes |
| 18:28.42 | J_P | valdyn: ok |
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| 18:29.09 | sparr | dch: fatal error at line 877: |
| 18:29.10 | sparr | Error parsing version number: 0.9.39-0ubuntu1.1+: |
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| 18:29.19 | xerophyte | I have software raid 1 configuration my server went down, the data center boot with resecue disk how can i mount the software raid |
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| 18:29.41 | flami | Hi , is it possible to run mod_fcgid with a different wrapper then suexec ? ( im thinking of sbox ) |
| 18:29.43 | sparr | i didnt mean to save the file in that state, i tried to exit without saving after typing the +, and failed |
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| 18:29.56 | stew | sparr: what version does "dpkg -s devscripts | grep Version" report? |
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| 18:30.10 | stew | sparr: and what exactly is the version line in the changeflie? |
| 18:30.26 | simonrvn | so edit the thing manually.... |
| 18:30.39 | fasta | http://paste.debian.net/31378 <- how can I solve that? |
| 18:30.45 | simonrvn | 1+1=2 in integer maths... |
| 18:31.07 | stew | simonrvn: not in 'dpkg --compare-version' maths |
| 18:31.42 | sparr | stew: i already fixed it :( |
| 18:32.03 | simonrvn | well the problem is pretty obvious, dch is choking on the version number, so you bypass dch... |
| 18:32.05 | ingek | xerophyte: load the raid driver if you need to first. chroot fix then boot crapscythe |
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| 18:33.54 | Azar | fasta: so file a bug... |
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| 18:35.36 | fasta | Azar: I don't think that is it. |
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| 18:36.32 | Azar | fasta: all I can see there is that you try to install "some package" on "some OS". aptitude did its job successfully by telling you NO. |
| 18:36.35 | Azar | :) |
| 18:36.48 | ingek | simonrvn: GNU/Linux rock, windblows. Aye! |
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| 18:37.22 | magic_user | how about calling it glinux? |
| 18:37.31 | ingek | Azar: its totally neat |
| 18:37.32 | magic_user | :) |
| 18:37.34 | fasta | Azar: some OS? You may assume Linux. |
| 18:37.42 | fasta | Azar: that's default for Debian |
| 18:37.52 | Azar | fasta: yes, Debian.. which debian? |
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| 18:38.03 | fasta | Azar: some package? The paste shows a very specific package |
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| 18:38.07 | fasta | Azar: Unstbale |
| 18:38.10 | fasta | Azar: Unstable |
| 18:38.17 | ingek | hehe |
| 18:38.19 | Azar | fasta: ah there you go... |
| 18:38.24 | ingek | Unstable ? |
| 18:38.43 | Azar | fasta: so you are now testing packages on Debian unstable and you should expect tantrums |
| 18:39.07 | fasta | Azar: I don't expect malicious behaviour. |
| 18:39.12 | Azar | Debian unstable is the Debian version used to test, and fix packages... that what you are actually doing now |
| 18:39.18 | fasta | Azar: these packages are years and years old. |
| 18:39.37 | Azar | fasta: Debian unstable is unstable... expect crashes, kicks, tantrums and screams |
| 18:39.40 | fasta | Azar: unlikely that they causes any trouble. |
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| 18:40.21 | ingek | fasta: show the url... |
| 18:40.31 | Azar | fasta: aptitude tells you that the package you want to install is broken, unsuited, missing dependencies, not installable on Debian unstable |
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| 18:42.14 | Azar | ingek: the url is up.. |
| 18:42.53 | fasta | ingek: http://paste.debian.net/31378 |
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| 18:42.54 | fasta | Azar: dpkg tells me more than you |
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| 18:43.43 | Azar | well yes dpkg is smarter than me |
| 18:43.56 | ingek | fasta: Ah, X+samba+gnome install |
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| 18:44.20 | ingek | fasta: Old configure specs it seems |
| 18:44.52 | ingek | Azar: got curious and scrolled up :) |
| 18:45.00 | abrotman | nasty tex migration eh ? |
| 18:45.09 | fasta | ingek: What do you mean by "Old configure specs"? |
| 18:45.13 | Azar | good morning mister abrotman |
| 18:45.14 | ingek | the package doesnt take those configure switches |
| 18:45.36 | ingek | ManDelBrot :) |
| 18:45.48 | atealtha | is the wacom module from module-assistant the same as the kernel's module or is it the linux-wacom project? |
| 18:46.17 | ingek | in xorg |
| 18:46.21 | ingek | althea |
| 18:46.24 | fasta | ingek: I did remove the two packages and aptitude update; aptitude install <the packages> |
| 18:46.37 | ingek | atealtha <- grr teh nick :) |
| 18:46.46 | fasta | ingek: Are you saying that those packages are just in a broken state? |
| 18:46.49 | atealtha | ingek: yeah I made the xorg.conf changes if that's what you're referring to |
| 18:47.05 | atealtha | the way it's written in the linux-wacom project site |
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| 18:47.15 | ingek | fasta: you seem to be compiling from source and the compile switches are bad |
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| 18:47.49 | fasta | ingek: I am not compiling from source. Apt might do that, but I am just using the Debian tools. |
| 18:47.57 | ingek | atealtha: xorg-drivers, you want the wacom one |
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| 18:48.32 | ingek | fasta: the result is it fails on the ./configure line having bad params, so its from source |
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| 18:49.00 | ingek | fasta: what debian version do you have ? |
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| 18:49.25 | atealtha | ingek: I don't understand. Is it another package? |
| 18:49.55 | ingek | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade isnt ok for example ? |
| 18:49.56 | fasta | ingek: configure line... what are you talking about? What line? |
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| 18:51.24 | ingek | fasta: updmap-sys is broken: Error: `ptex -ini -jobname=ptex -progname=ptex ptex.ini' failed |
| 18:51.38 | fasta | ingek: never mind, there is such a line |
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| 18:52.12 | ingek | fasta: dunno what "updmap-sys" is even (Ive built many sysems and never seen it anywhere) |
| 18:52.14 | fasta | ingek: I didn't do dist-upgrade, I guess, and that's the cause. |
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| 18:52.38 | daquino | doesn't the dpkg --unpack supposed to unpack the deb into a folder where im located ? |
| 18:52.44 | fasta | ingek: It's part of TeX, I think. |
| 18:52.46 | ingek | skip it, it should be non fatal (i think) |
| 18:52.56 | tech13 | how do I configure the refresh rate in xorg? I have an LCD monitor that says 60Hz is optimum, and it currently is running at 75Hz |
| 18:53.11 | ingek | Ok, very non fatal then (not required for a working GNU system) |
| 18:54.15 | fasta | ingek: Missing Emacs/VIM is also non fatal, but well, pretty nice to have. |
| 18:54.27 | fasta | ingek: but probably the issue has been solved now |
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| 18:54.52 | ingek | tech13: what monitor brand and resolution are you using ? 75Hz is ok, so you know |
| 18:55.00 | ingek | (mostly ok..) |
| 18:55.05 | stew | daquino: no, if you want to unpack into a specified folder, use -x or -X |
| 18:55.11 | abrotman | the netinst kernel is *exactly* the same as the regular kernel packages (minus security updates etc) ? |
| 18:55.18 | daquino | stew: so what did the --unpack option just do ? |
| 18:55.20 | holycow | tech13, change the vertical and horizontal refresh rates in your xorg.conf file. make sure to back it up first tho. |
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| 18:55.25 | stew | daquino: unpack it to / |
| 18:55.29 | daquino | oh shit |
| 18:55.38 | daquino | that could be bad for kdm right ? |
| 18:55.49 | tech13 | ingek, Dell E196FP |
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| 18:56.17 | ingek | fasta: get the latest tex source. Itll work just fine if configured properly IE: ./confire --prefix=/usr && make && make install |
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| 18:56.40 | ingek | fasta: ./configure --prefix=/usr && make && make install (ehm) |
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| 18:57.17 | ingek | tech13: so a 19" ? / it can do 85Hz i think |
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| 18:58.09 | ingek | Piggy!!! :) |
| 18:58.09 | daquino | stew: -X seemed to unpack the contents of what would go in my system... but i want to see whats inside the deb it self... like the post scripts and everything... |
| 18:58.34 | stew | daquino: the control files are extracted with -e |
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| 18:59.07 | ingek | daquino: install the source package |
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| 18:59.17 | magic_user | does debian have shorewall or some other fire wall tool? |
| 18:59.19 | stew | daquino: or if you want to unpack it by hand, its an 'ar' archive of two .tar.gzs, 'ar x foo.deb' to unpack it iirc |
| 18:59.20 | magic_user | as a apckage? |
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| 18:59.24 | magic_user | package |
| 18:59.26 | magic_user | lol |
| 18:59.29 | stew | magic_user: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 18:59.32 | ingek | magic_user: built in / iptables |
| 18:59.39 | lilalinux | how do I configure a default parameter for a module, so whenever some script makes "modprobe foo" it will specify the parameter automatically? |
| 18:59.46 | stew | magic_user: or /msg dpkg search |
| 18:59.48 | ingek | or ipchains if your dist is old |
| 18:59.56 | magic_user | soemthing like firestarter or shoreline over iptables(over netfilter) |
| 18:59.58 | magic_user | or? |
| 19:00.00 | magic_user | ok |
| 19:00.05 | lilalinux | (using debian/etch) |
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| 19:00.53 | stew | lilalinux: man modprobe.conf |
| 19:01.12 | ingek | lilalinux: pass the param to it: "saa12345 -tuner=13" |
| 19:01.25 | ingek | Zäta |
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| 19:02.20 | stew | ingek: huh? what is "it"? |
| 19:02.21 | ingek | as stew said, you can add that to /etc/modprobe.conf as well to have it probed at boot |
| 19:02.50 | stew | no, /etc/modprobe.conf is not where you add stuff to have it probed at boot? |
| 19:02.55 | ingek | not following, what do you mean stew ? |
| 19:03.06 | ingek | stew, it is |
| 19:03.15 | stew | ingek: i was wondering what "it" was in your sentence: pass the param to it: "saa12345 -tuner=13" |
| 19:03.19 | stew | ingek: no, /etc/modules is |
| 19:03.19 | ingek | like tv-cards etc |
| 19:03.21 | lilalinux | ingek: I know how to specify it manually or at bootup, but I want the system to automatically specify it whenever a script starts it |
| 19:03.29 | lilalinux | s/starts/loads |
| 19:03.31 | stew | lilalinux: man modprobe.conf |
| 19:03.52 | ingek | stew: "as well to have it probed" (it/the thing) |
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| 19:04.30 | ingek | lilalinux: what is the device you wish to have initialised and run by a driver ? |
| 19:04.38 | ingek | which--^ |
| 19:04.47 | lilalinux | ingek: vzaphfc nt_modes=0 |
| 19:05.04 | ingek | lilalinux: and that is for what ? |
| 19:05.27 | ingek | never seen it, yeY! .. im learning.. finally! :) |
| 19:05.49 | lilalinux | ingek: it puts your isdn card into nt-mode |
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| 19:06.01 | ingek | OOh :) Asterisk? |
| 19:06.10 | lilalinux | yes, but that's offtopic |
| 19:06.27 | ingek | ok, cool stuff though.. utmost nicely coded |
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| 19:06.50 | ingek | So thats how you add an option to a module |
| 19:08.12 | lilalinux | steve: thx |
| 19:08.18 | lilalinux | stew: thx |
| 19:08.18 | ingek | I released GAdminSquid late tonight and have had about 200 downloads maybe |
| 19:08.21 | GeeTux | yetifoot: hi |
| 19:08.44 | ingek | Its pretty neat i think :) |
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| 19:09.25 | ingek | Oh PS: had to go fix stuff at work too (the coding session was loooong:) |
| 19:09.26 | jakub_ | what is the name of KDE burning software ? |
| 19:09.30 | fasta | ingek: It was tetex-bin, btw |
| 19:09.33 | ingek | k3b |
| 19:09.53 | ingek | kde isnt cool like gtk+ |
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| 19:10.10 | ingek | qt blows :( |
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| 19:10.21 | holycow | ingek, hehe, are you sure its qt or kde? |
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| 19:10.44 | ingek | holycow: im older then young in the games |
| 19:10.51 | holycow | kde4 is looking really cool from the bits and pieces i've seen out there |
| 19:10.56 | ingek | holycow: you should know its the same |
| 19:11.00 | ingek | ;) |
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| 19:11.57 | ingek | KDE/QT=Bleh GTK+=yey! gnome=leader but too much freakin python shit :) |
| 19:12.38 | ingek | mono moonlight flashlight microsoft (go back to bed lazy coders) |
| 19:12.46 | ingek | heh |
| 19:13.08 | ingek | Quality has a prize but quality never fails |
| 19:13.17 | ingek | The prize is time |
| 19:13.48 | magic_user | the prize is fine pussy |
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| 19:14.00 | stew | ingek: magic_user: please keep it on topic |
| 19:14.13 | ingek | magic_user: keep it on topic drone |
| 19:14.19 | ingek | by debians |
| 19:14.22 | magic_user | ok, does debian have any kind of clustering? |
| 19:14.23 | ab3l | hi, i installed debian 4 but it looks like the C compiler isn't installed how do i install it ? |
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| 19:14.33 | urso_ | Hello |
| 19:14.37 | magic_user | liek openmosix? |
| 19:14.41 | ingek | stew: its yours right ? |
| 19:14.49 | magic_user | what does debian do as far as virtualization goes? |
| 19:14.49 | stew | ingek: what? |
| 19:15.01 | ingek | magic_user^ |
| 19:15.07 | Azar | ab3l: it is gcc |
| 19:15.13 | stew | ingek: i don't understand your question |
| 19:15.18 | ingek | bot |
| 19:15.58 | ingek | i like bots though, helps my typing for the coding sessions |
| 19:16.11 | ab3l | Azarr, it's normal it is not pre-installed or an error occurred during installation ? |
| 19:16.12 | stew | ingek: do you have a debian related question? |
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| 19:16.30 | ingek | stew: any reason you ask me this ? |
| 19:17.33 | ingek | Dont attack upstream plz |
| 19:17.44 | ingek | its not good |
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| 19:17.48 | Azar | magic_user: http://paste.debian.net/31378 |
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| 19:17.52 | fasta | !plz |
| 19:17.52 | dpkg | [plz] german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 19:17.52 | Azar | err sorry |
| 19:18.01 | stew | ingek: becuase you are off-topic, you are talking non-sense, when you were trying to be on-topic and answer a question before, you were giving answers that were both hard to understand, and completely incorrect. saying things like "qt blows" is just close to trolling |
| 19:18.14 | sparr | is it wrong to ask for help here with debian tools on non-debian distros? |
| 19:18.24 | stew | sparr: yes |
| 19:18.32 | sparr | say ive compiled apt on freebsd |
| 19:18.33 | Azar | magic_user: http://swik.net/Etch+virtualization |
| 19:18.36 | sparr | and dpkg |
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| 19:18.42 | sparr | is there a channel for dpkg support? |
| 19:18.48 | holycow | dpkg works on freebsd? |
| 19:18.52 | rahul | yes |
| 19:18.53 | stew | sparr: then you'd be offtopic here, unless you were running debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 19:18.54 | sparr | holycow: no reason for it not to |
| 19:18.56 | holycow | wow |
| 19:19.00 | holycow | i guess *nod* |
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| 19:19.13 | rahul | sparr: maybe #debian-devel on oftc would be the best place? |
| 19:19.18 | stew | holycow: /msg dpkg debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 19:19.22 | sparr | rahul: thanks |
| 19:19.23 | Azar | rahul: I give you a kik in the nuts, give me a wtf |
| 19:19.24 | ingek | stew: how come the people asking understood ? |
| 19:19.29 | rahul | wtf |
| 19:19.31 | rahul | heh |
| 19:19.32 | Azar | :) |
| 19:19.49 | rahul | wtf, am I a bot or something? |
| 19:19.51 | frankr | whats the apt line for stable debian? this system only has the base netinst system - is this correct? deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
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| 19:19.57 | holycow | stew, oh thats neato |
| 19:19.59 | holycow | thank you |
| 19:20.00 | sparr | rahul: although i am guessing #debian-devel might be annoyed at end user questions |
| 19:20.03 | Azar | rahul: I was just craving for some |
| 19:20.43 | stew | ingek: just drop it and please stay on-topic |
| 19:20.52 | Azar | frankr: try something other than .us or try it with http:// |
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| 19:21.24 | rahul | sparr: hrm... you should probably become fluent with using debian on a mature arch first |
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| 19:21.46 | ingek | What a newb |
| 19:21.46 | rahul | then try to fiddle and make it work on new archs... |
| 19:21.50 | urso_ | i'm sorry the question but i have one ati radeon and i'm try to install compiz here in my debian opensource operating system ... but i don`t see many information about install it |
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| 19:21.58 | frankr | I did the line above and got a gpg error |
| 19:21.59 | sparr | rahul: im not really considering new archs, or even new kernels, right now |
| 19:22.00 | frankr | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org stable Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
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| 19:22.09 | tchmnkyz | ok any one got an idea on how to find an ip address that is inuse without knowing any info |
| 19:22.10 | sparr | rahul: just not-debian. say, dpkg-on-redhat |
| 19:22.11 | frankr | not the usual one though |
| 19:22.15 | Azar | frankr: I just told you |
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| 19:22.23 | rahul | sparr: dpkg-on-redhat makes no sense |
| 19:22.35 | rahul | sparr: and dpkg-on-fbsd is not comparable to that. redhat is still linux. |
| 19:22.48 | frankr | so http://ftp.debian.org/debian ? |
| 19:22.49 | sparr | im referring in general to dpkg-on-anythingnotdebian |
| 19:22.56 | urso_ | the ati driver kernel don`t work and nathing ... :x |
| 19:23.04 | Azar | frankr: try a .fr, .uk, .be, .de... |
| 19:23.04 | rahul | sparr: maybe you should learn debian first... |
| 19:23.06 | sparr | theres no reason the software wouldnt run |
| 19:23.17 | rahul | sparr: then you won't try to talk about things that make no sense |
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| 19:23.55 | rahul | sparr: using dpkg on redhat is stupid. period. |
| 19:24.10 | stew | sparr: rahul take it to #redhat |
| 19:24.23 | rahul | stew: I'm not asking about redhat... |
| 19:24.27 | frankr | Azar, whats wrong with ftp.us |
| 19:24.32 | stew | rahul: you are talking about redhat |
| 19:24.38 | Azar | frankr: we don't know yet, they drowned or something |
| 19:24.43 | rahul | sigh. |
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| 19:25.00 | Azar | stew, was sparr starting it, not rahul... |
| 19:25.11 | Azar | rahul was just trying to explain it |
| 19:25.19 | frankr | W: GPG error: http://ftp.uk.debian.org stable Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 19:25.21 | frankr | x_x |
| 19:25.44 | Azar | frankr wait |
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| 19:25.58 | stew | Azar: yes. they were both involved in an offtopic discussion, which is why i said something to both of them |
| 19:26.19 | ab3l | !dpkg gcc |
| 19:26.24 | Azar | deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 19:26.27 | Azar | there try that one |
| 19:26.49 | magic_user | wow so there are like 4 options for virtualization |
| 19:26.59 | frankr | whoa very very slow |
| 19:27.00 | frankr | 10kb/sec |
| 19:27.01 | magic_user | Can debian do anything like openmosix? |
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| 19:27.04 | Azar | stew, sigh, ok |
| 19:27.05 | Fser | Hello |
| 19:27.10 | frankr | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.de.debian.org etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 19:27.10 | frankr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.15 | sparr | stew: im not talking about redhat, was just one of many examples. im talking about dpkg. the question is where to get help with dpkg running on anything not debian. i was trying to make the distinction between debian-distro and debian-software |
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| 19:27.36 | js | hi. is it possible to install debian on an NFS? |
| 19:27.42 | Fser | I've never used linux for wifi, so I wonder : if I take the very last weekly image, will my 3945abg wifi work out of box ? |
| 19:27.45 | sparr | when i need help with rpm on debian, i ask in #redhat, because rpm is redhat software |
| 19:27.46 | js | i loaded the installer via TFTP in the firmware and want to install it on NFS now |
| 19:27.56 | stew | sparr: yes, and the answer is "not here". this is just debian-distro, i don't know about a distro independent help channel for debian tools. |
| 19:27.57 | Azar | !etch key |
| 19:27.58 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 19:28.03 | sparr | stew: thanks |
| 19:28.03 | Azar | frankr ^^ |
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| 19:28.17 | frankr | yes I tried that |
| 19:28.20 | frankr | it just has the same eror |
| 19:28.23 | schorem | anyone know the package for xcompmgr? Want to make xterm transparent |
| 19:28.31 | frankr | I shall try again tho |
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| 19:29.05 | frankr | http://rafb.net/p/eQZ1yo66.html |
| 19:29.09 | Fser | last weekly is from may :/ |
| 19:29.14 | Azar | frankr: I do not know what you got on your sources.list, if you want I can give you mine as example |
| 19:29.24 | Azar | ah .. |
| 19:29.31 | frankr | That would be quite helpful |
| 19:29.36 | Eulex | schorem, xcompmgr is in the xcompmgr package... in experimental |
| 19:30.26 | Azar | frankr: ok wait |
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| 19:30.45 | urso_ | You shure the debian distro is prepared to install ati and compiz? or i need to chose another distirbution if i want to use compzi whith ati? and direct rendering to install the secound lifem and this stuff? |
| 19:31.08 | urso_ | google earth ... |
| 19:31.14 | urso_ | :x |
| 19:31.22 | schorem | Eulex, this is an etch install, any other ways to make an xterm transparent? |
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| 19:32.17 | Eulex | schorem, yes; use a window manager that has a composite manager built-in |
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| 19:32.52 | Azar | frankr: http://rafb.net/p/I2HWrW68.html |
| 19:34.00 | schorem | I use fluxbox. It is possible, saw the screenshots |
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| 19:34.15 | frankr | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.de.debian.org etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 19:34.18 | magnus-swe | Hiyas |
| 19:34.21 | frankr | now i just get three ov these, Azar |
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| 19:34.36 | magnus-swe | Stew.. |
| 19:34.37 | frankr | and when I try to run the line with the keyring and stuff |
| 19:34.40 | frankr | it just has the same error |
| 19:34.41 | frankr | 3 times |
| 19:34.42 | hansgnu | anyone uses beryl? |
| 19:34.44 | schorem | Eulex, according to the fluxbox channel I should use xcompmgr. But this is not my laptop and I cannot use experimental |
| 19:34.46 | stew | magnus-swe: what? |
| 19:34.55 | Azar | frankr: try aptitude update / aptitue upgrade after you changed your sources.list |
| 19:35.01 | magnus-swe | sleep |
| 19:35.03 | gpm | !anyone |
| 19:35.03 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:35.13 | stew | magnus-swe: do you have a debian related question? |
| 19:35.24 | frankr | Azar, it didn't ahve anything to upgrade |
| 19:35.26 | magnus-swe | stew: yes, i develop for debian |
| 19:35.35 | frankr | it still has errors running gpgv |
| 19:35.36 | Azar | frankr: no, but hopefully fixed the stuff |
| 19:35.45 | Dunedan | Does somebody here have a MacBook (first generation) with debian and working wpa and would so nice to share that config with me? |
| 19:35.48 | stew | magnus-swe: please ask your question, and keep it on-topic |
| 19:35.58 | Azar | frankr: show the output of "aptitude update" on a paster |
| 19:36.11 | magnus-swe | stew: i have done so and now im helping.. |
| 19:36.37 | frankr | http://rafb.net/p/QU8nBr54.html |
| 19:36.42 | frankr | Azar, ^^ |
| 19:36.45 | Azar | ok |
| 19:37.01 | hansgnu | I install all beryl`s packages and emerald`s packages and I did what the beryl project installation tutorial |
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| 19:37.28 | hansgnu | how do i do to use? I can not see it on gdm sessions to use |
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| 19:38.37 | Azar | wtf... I never seen ...Release.gpg stew, what that could be? |
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| 19:39.01 | stew | Azar: its the gpg signature or Release that apt-secure uses |
| 19:39.08 | DrAk0 | hansgnu, bery is pretty covered on google FYI |
| 19:39.10 | stew | ^or^of |
| 19:39.12 | Azar | stew: thanks |
| 19:39.16 | g0rd0n | i got a defunct process running since 4 months, taking up 1.0 system load (apparently) and i am unable to kill it... kill -9 and -15 have no effect, if i do an strace on that pid i get "attach: ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACH, ...): Operation not permitted"... how can i kill that damn process? :( |
| 19:39.26 | frankr | debian:~# apt-secure -bash: apt-secure: command not found |
| 19:39.33 | Azar | frankr: if you did etch key, what Debian version number are you using/ |
| 19:39.41 | stew | frankr: /msg dpkg apt-secure |
| 19:40.01 | frankr | cool |
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| 19:40.09 | frankr | Azar, what? etch key? |
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| 19:40.31 | stew | frankr: what does "apt-cache policy gnupg" say for "Insatlled:"? |
| 19:40.35 | Azar | frankr: I understood you told me you tried the keyring |
| 19:40.37 | jakub_ | how to connect to krfb from windows ? |
| 19:40.54 | AntiInit | whoo google earth works on linux |
| 19:40.56 | frankr | stew, Installed: 1.4.6-2 |
| 19:41.26 | stew | frankr: what about "apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring" ? |
| 19:41.26 | magnus-swe | jakub_: edit krb.conf on both computers, include the same domain and settings, connect |
| 19:41.43 | frankr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.52 | jakub_ | where is krb.conf |
| 19:41.57 | jakub_ | i need to connect from windows |
| 19:42.06 | magnus-swe | find it.. |
| 19:42.09 | jakub_ | and i want to have same remote desktop as in windows |
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| 19:42.13 | jakub_ | it connect and i must log in |
| 19:42.37 | frankr | stew, Installed: 2007.02.19 |
| 19:42.41 | frankr | not sure if you saw that or not |
| 19:42.47 | stew | frankr: can you put the output of "apt-key list" into a pastebin? |
| 19:43.03 | js | hm, no way to install debian on NFS? |
| 19:43.05 | magnus-swe | jakub_ ssh -l -XC root IP_HERE -p port here (The best remote session you can have, incl graphical) |
| 19:43.07 | frankr | http://rafb.net/p/zlkUhH61.html |
| 19:43.12 | frankr | stew ^^ |
| 19:43.20 | jakub_ | yes |
| 19:43.22 | jakub_ | i think this |
| 19:43.27 | jakub_ | but i need on windows :| |
| 19:43.36 | stew | frankr: does "apt-get update" succeed or fail? |
| 19:43.38 | frankr | huh the system clock on this machine is wrong |
| 19:43.39 | frankr | it fails |
| 19:43.46 | magnus-swe | jakub_: putty |
| 19:43.56 | stew | frankr: does it dive a different error than "aptitude update"? or the same? |
| 19:43.57 | magnus-swe | jakub_: sync the clock |
| 19:44.00 | frankr | stew, has a couple of these W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 19:44.05 | frankr | pretty sure the same |
| 19:44.22 | Azar | stew http://rafb.net/p/QU8nBr54.html |
| 19:44.26 | frankr | stew, nope same error |
| 19:44.40 | stew | Azar: yeah, i saw that one, i was wondering if apt-get did the same as that one showed for aptitude |
| 19:45.00 | urso_ | You shure the debian distro is prepared to install ati and compiz? or i need to chose another distirbution if i want to use compzi whith ati? and direct rendering to install the secound life and this stuff? |
| 19:45.05 | jakub_ | nyty@sirius:/etc$ ssh -l -XC root **//../././ |
| 19:45.05 | jakub_ | ssh: root: Name or service not known |
| 19:45.09 | jakub_ | putty ? |
| 19:45.17 | jakub_ | it`s graphical interface ? |
| 19:45.21 | stew | urso_: what chipset does your card have? |
| 19:45.31 | urso_ | stew ati x1600 |
| 19:45.35 | Azar | frankr: so take stew's suggestion try apt-get update.. see if gives the same.. |
| 19:45.45 | frankr | Azar, stew, it does |
| 19:45.53 | Azar | is the damn gpg key |
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| 19:46.10 | frankr | whats wrong with the gpg key aah |
| 19:46.13 | stew | urso_: no, debian does not come with drivers that would support compiz for that card. the free drivers for that card are still in an alpha stage of development |
| 19:46.17 | frankr | can I grab it from a working system? |
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| 19:46.20 | jakub_ | it dont works |
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| 19:46.22 | jakub_ | as X |
| 19:46.24 | jakub_ | :| |
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| 19:46.31 | Azar | frankr: just wait for stew to show you |
| 19:46.36 | stew | i dunno |
| 19:46.39 | frankr | okee |
| 19:46.39 | jakub_ | it normally connect as normal |
| 19:46.43 | Azar | :) |
| 19:46.58 | magnus-swe | heh, jelinek's |
| 19:47.05 | urso_ | stew yes but i have the drivers ... from the ati ... if not was the problem about the instalation of then compilationof the kernel source |
| 19:47.11 | frankr | can I grab the key manually/ |
| 19:47.21 | stew | frankr: you have the key, apt-key list showed it |
| 19:47.21 | frankr | off of the debian site somewhere |
| 19:47.23 | Azar | frankr: by chance you got any other sources there besides the ones you copyied from mine? |
| 19:47.28 | frankr | Azar, nope |
| 19:47.39 | frankr | stew, then why am I having gpg errors |
| 19:47.39 | urso_ | urso_ the problem is debian acept the stuff ... |
| 19:47.49 | frankr | W: GPG error: ftp://mirrors.kernel.org etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 19:48.07 | abrotman | is the gpgv binary on your box? |
| 19:48.11 | Azar | frankr: is this a clean Etch install? or is an upgrade from Sarge? |
| 19:48.11 | urso_ | is strange we have the software drivers and this i sreallygive problems ... to install it... |
| 19:48.15 | stew | frankr: check the bts for "apt" and "gnupg"; or strace it with "strace -f -o /tmp/apt.strace apt-get update" and put the apt.strace somewhere that we can see |
| 19:48.35 | J_P | people, I would like habilit the XDMCP, but machine is remotaly, anyone know what file I need edit to configure gnome for this ? |
| 19:48.36 | urso_ | i cant understand why we got the software and the hardware and everything and just simple we cant use it .. lol |
| 19:48.43 | urso_ | it sucks |
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| 19:48.51 | frankr | Azar, its just an install of the debian base system off a netinst disc I believe |
| 19:49.02 | frankr | -bash: strace: command not found |
| 19:49.30 | stew | frankr: aptitude install strace |
| 19:49.40 | urso_ | stew so even i can install the ati drivers can debian run the compiz or not? |
| 19:49.49 | urso_ | do you guys know? |
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| 19:50.01 | stew | urso_: don't ask me, i don't help with non-free drivers |
| 19:50.05 | urso_ | im only see documentation to the nvidia compiz but nathing to the ati |
| 19:50.19 | urso_ | stew nvidia to compiz are free drivers? |
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| 19:50.52 | stew | urso_: debian provides a driver for nvidia named "nv" which is free, but doesn't have accelleration and therefore isn't usable for compiz |
| 19:51.10 | urso_ | stew and this drivers it can make work the compiz? |
| 19:51.19 | urso_ | this free driver ... |
| 19:51.25 | Azar | urso_: I guess in order to have compiz running you need the 3D non-free drivers (on your own - debian does not recommend/condone non-free) |
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| 19:51.48 | urso_ | Azar right ... .... |
| 19:51.56 | urso_ | so we need no free drivers ... |
| 19:52.01 | guiton | hi ! |
| 19:52.24 | urso_ | so there is documentation only to nvidia and not to ati? to install the compiz if compiz need no free drivers? |
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| 19:52.31 | stew | urso_: debian doesn't provide any drivers that support your card |
| 19:52.50 | frankr | stew, http://209.40.192.20/~stevenlu/apt.strace |
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| 19:52.55 | urso_ | stew so why it suport ... nvidia and not the ati? |
| 19:52.59 | stew | urso_: there are free drivers for your card in development, but at an early stage |
| 19:53.19 | urso_ | stew yes but you nede no freedrivers to run your free software right? |
| 19:53.28 | stew | urso_: ask nvidia and ati, they are the ones that wrote the drivers you are asking about |
| 19:53.36 | frankr | looks like I'm missing a lot of libs |
| 19:53.50 | urso_ | stew and hat about the compiz? ... |
| 19:54.14 | urso_ | stew so if you don`t suport no free drivers you shoud not even have the compix packetin the distro right? |
| 19:54.22 | hark | frankr: you can check with "aptitude -o Debug::Acquire::gpgv=true update" too |
| 19:54.26 | urso_ | no sense :\ |
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| 19:54.39 | stew | urso_: compiz works fine with the free intel drivers and the free ati drivers |
| 19:54.39 | quitte | urso_: works here with free drivers on a r200 |
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| 19:55.16 | frankr | gpgv: fatal: can't open fd 3 for status output: Bad file descriptor |
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| 19:55.19 | urso_ | stew you shure about this? |
| 19:55.21 | frankr | this is the error it has when it tries to run the cmd |
| 19:55.46 | stew | urso_: yes. I'm 100% positive about this. i've done it myself with the free ati driver, and so has quitte |
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| 19:56.07 | stew | urso_: but its not really relevant, as the free ati driver in debian doesn't support your card |
| 19:56.18 | frankr | http://rafb.net/p/d2vcOK32.html |
| 19:56.20 | metallic | i have an interesting problem. i'm running a really ancient release of debian unstable, and i need to do a dist-upgrade. i just switched back from the unstable branch to the stable branch and tried to do a dist-upgrade |
| 19:56.36 | metallic | now it is trying to remove things like libc6 |
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| 19:56.55 | urso_ | bahh this sucks .... |
| 19:57.00 | urso_ | ok thanks anyway |
| 19:57.01 | urso_ | :) |
| 19:57.05 | stew | oh, so frankr's problem is not with the actual setup of apt-key, its just saying that the actual signatures are bad |
| 19:57.23 | quitte | metallic: maybe not ancient enought. try lenny |
| 19:57.24 | CalJohn | I have used the firefox 1.5 branch for a long time, and don't want to switch (breakages, few new features, etc) to move up to 2.0. What is a good way for me to carry on using the 1.5 branch (considering iceweasel 2.0 is in lenny)? (Haven't used debian in a while) |
| 19:57.41 | CalJohn | (roll my own deb package?) |
| 19:57.45 | frankr | stew, gpg is having weird errors when it tries to run it something about a bad file descriptor |
| 19:58.00 | AntiInit | http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/d/df/Retarded.jpg |
| 19:58.00 | wols | !hold CalJohn |
| 19:58.08 | urso_ | stew is easy send the responsabilitys to the others ... but the true is i can install very well whith not much problems in some others distros and not in debian .... |
| 19:58.11 | wols | !tell CalJohn about hold |
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| 19:58.18 | urso_ | they are all linux right? |
| 19:58.19 | wols | CalJohn: but it's bad idea in the long run. not updates |
| 19:58.20 | metallic | is there any way to find out what version of debian this server is running? |
| 19:58.23 | CalJohn | wols: heh :D |
| 19:58.24 | urso_ | damitwhy i like to use debian |
| 19:58.25 | urso_ | :\ |
| 19:58.34 | wols | urso_: we all do |
| 19:58.52 | wols | !tell metallic about version |
| 19:59.07 | CalJohn | wols: I know it's a bad idea, but 2.0 is a lot of upheaval to make simply for spellchecking. |
| 19:59.07 | quitte | urso_: is that a nvidia or ati graphics card? |
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| 19:59.25 | magic_user | where do you setup the virtual ip files on debian? for redhat they are /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth:7 as example |
| 19:59.26 | wols | CalJohn: 2.0 simply is a shitty relase. windows OR linux |
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| 19:59.35 | magic_user | such that 1 nic can have 12 ip-s |
| 19:59.36 | zoidy | is there anything I can use to view the outgoing traffic live from the command live? |
| 19:59.40 | AntiInit | sorry wrong chan |
| 19:59.42 | magic_user | and those changes stay after a reboot |
| 19:59.46 | wols | magic_user: man interfaces |
| 19:59.47 | frankr | .. hahah |
| 19:59.49 | frankr | rofl rofl |
| 19:59.55 | frankr | I set the time correctly and no more errors |
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| 19:59.57 | frankr | o_O |
| 20:00.01 | quitte | magic_user: etc/network/interfaces - man interfaces |
| 20:00.04 | wols | zoidy: iptraf? |
| 20:00.04 | CalJohn | wols: agreed. |
| 20:00.05 | stew | magic_user: check /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for examples |
| 20:00.05 | magic_user | ok |
| 20:00.07 | magic_user | thank you |
| 20:00.16 | urso_ | quitte i don`t know you don`t imagine the hoours or days i spent whith ...counting all the hours im here try to make one sngle softwrethat works on linuxworking on debian but that ok ... |
| 20:00.18 | Azar | frankr: bah, I just forgot about that :) |
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| 20:00.33 | stew | AntiInit: you have been slienced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
| 20:00.36 | zoidy | wols: seems interesting, I'll look into it, thanks |
| 20:00.38 | urso_ | and for nathing but that ok |
| 20:00.41 | CalJohn | wols: but how would I get the debian iceweasel-1.5.0.9 package? |
| 20:00.53 | urso_ | we got the software and this dont work ok |
| 20:00.53 | wols | CalJohn: packages.debian.org |
| 20:01.02 | quitte | urso_: ah i get it. you are here to complain, not to get help? |
| 20:01.04 | wols | CalJohn: or snapshots.debian.net |
| 20:01.07 | urso_ | makes me confution :\ |
| 20:01.15 | stew | CalJohn: no such package ever existed, iceweasel was forked on a 2.0 prerelease iirc |
| 20:01.26 | urso_ | quitte well for now i don`t see any solution .... |
| 20:01.33 | urso_ | tell me one |
| 20:01.35 | CalJohn | stew: wols: so i use firefox? |
| 20:01.44 | quitte | !tell urso_ about nvidia |
| 20:01.59 | fasta | CalJohn: click the About button |
| 20:02.01 | stew | CalJohn: what is wrong with iceweasel? |
| 20:02.01 | wols | urso_: complain to ati, notus. or learn about fglrx and XGL.good luck |
| 20:02.07 | urso_ | quitte ati man ati :\ |
| 20:02.19 | urso_ | wols why i complain about ati? ... |
| 20:02.31 | urso_ | thy have the drivers and the driver works well in ubuntu for exempl but not in debian |
| 20:02.33 | urso_ | why? |
| 20:02.37 | CalJohn | stew: i want 1.5. Not interested in upgrading. |
| 20:02.39 | urso_ | i use debian right i forget |
| 20:02.45 | urso_ | urg |
| 20:02.59 | stew | CalJohn: you are on your own then |
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| 20:03.32 | wols | urso_: no. you should complain to ati, not us about their shitty driver. now sto whining |
| 20:04.02 | CalJohn | stew: :/ As soon as I do something outside of "standard debian" I'm on my own? |
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| 20:04.12 | Azar | urso_: ati is a proprietary driver, debian is a free software. ati is the one who are not helping the linux developers. |
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| 20:04.23 | wols | CalJohn: yes |
| 20:04.34 | quitte | what'S the reason you didn't recommend the fglrx one-liner to him? |
| 20:04.49 | ab3l | hi, someone can help me installing pipslite-cups ? |
| 20:04.54 | wols | CalJohn: considering we are all volunteers, besides getting security fixes for stable, you are always on your own |
| 20:04.58 | Azar | quitte: because his particular driver version is not on debian |
| 20:05.01 | stew | CalJohn: as far as this channel goes, you probably are. you could try asking in #firefox |
| 20:05.05 | wols | unless you buy support for debian from a 3rd party |
| 20:05.09 | quitte | Azar: ah. heh. |
| 20:05.27 | urso_ | wols why i complain to ati ... if they drivers work in other distros whith ati less in debian? |
| 20:05.42 | wols | urso_: they work. ever heard of PEBKAC |
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| 20:06.03 | urso_ | wols so why they are not working here ... tta the questin i make :\ if someone knows shure :| |
| 20:06.07 | Azar | urso_: other distros , not debian. |
| 20:06.15 | stew | urso_: the other distros are using an unreleased x server that debian hasn't included and probably won't ever include |
| 20:06.17 | hark | urso_: they'll work with xgl and which isn't in Debian |
| 20:06.36 | wols | urso_: you haven't asked for help as far as I can see. you you did was whining |
| 20:06.37 | fasta | urso_: please use a different distribution |
| 20:06.43 | wols | you're a good whiner. you must have practice |
| 20:06.49 | stew | enough |
| 20:06.51 | urso_ | but guys that i'm asking .... you guys are telling me to talk to ati .... to asnwser me why hti snot working one debian but work on ubuntu for exemple .... |
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| 20:07.07 | stew | urso_: what exactly is your question then? |
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| 20:07.12 | fasta | !flame urso_ |
| 20:07.12 | dpkg | urso_: YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 20:07.14 | urso_ | fasta yes shure ... the problem is i use debian so ... that why im making this question |
| 20:07.21 | stew | fasta: stop that |
| 20:07.28 | Azar | fasta: let stew handle it |
| 20:07.34 | stew | !forget CMD: flame (.*?) |
| 20:07.34 | urso_ | i suck? guys i only make one question ... because i use debian .... |
| 20:07.35 | dpkg | stew: i forgot cmd: flame (.*?) |
| 20:07.35 | fasta | Sure |
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| 20:07.45 | CalJohn | I forget, can I manually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf without confusing debconf? |
| 20:07.46 | urso_ | i try to put this working nathing more |
| 20:07.48 | stew | urso_: please ignore fasta |
| 20:07.55 | wols | CalJohn: yes. mostly |
| 20:08.06 | wols | CalJohn: why do you need to edit it? maybe debconf can do it for you |
| 20:08.08 | urso_ | ok ok ok o0 0o urggg :x |
| 20:08.11 | dakoo | hey guys what's new here then |
| 20:08.19 | Azar | urso_: the answer to your question is quite simple: Debian does not handle your ati driver. |
| 20:08.22 | CalJohn | wols: i think debconf already tried, and didn't get it. |
| 20:08.28 | stew | urso_: you can probably get your card and your non-free driver working with compiz if you can get xgl working which is what other distros do, but xgl isn't in debian, and you'd be on your own if you want to use it in debian |
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| 20:08.41 | dakoo | all in wonder pro card |
| 20:08.57 | wols | CalJohn: answer my question please |
| 20:09.07 | urso_ | stew why debian don`t have xgl to the ati? |
| 20:09.19 | nikolavp | urso_, isn't your card supported with the open drivers ? |
| 20:09.24 | urso_ | to use whith compiz |
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| 20:09.57 | nikolavp | xgl is not the best/stablest package out there :) |
| 20:10.00 | quitte | urso_: what chipset does that card use? |
| 20:10.06 | stew | urso_: becuase nobody has volunteered to package it. packaging it doesn't really make much sense in debian becuase it has never been released, and how good the upstream support for it is going to be is unsure |
| 20:10.06 | CalJohn | wols: my mistake, i have to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg by hand. |
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| 20:10.22 | stew | quitte: x1600 |
| 20:10.24 | CalJohn | wols: excuse my "non-debian way" instincts, I've come from gentoo |
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| 20:10.49 | nikolavp | CalJohn, :) |
| 20:10.52 | CalJohn | wols: (but I used debian for a long time before that) |
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| 20:10.58 | nikolavp | why did u come from there ;P |
| 20:10.59 | quitte | and atis own installer doesn't work, i guess? |
| 20:11.06 | urso_ | stew yes but you guys lunch the nvidia suport right? this is discrimination ... to the ati |
| 20:11.13 | urso_ | and to the users that have ati ... |
| 20:11.28 | nikolavp | my ati card work :O |
| 20:11.37 | nikolavp | and it work out of the box with the open drivers :) |
| 20:11.40 | borschty_ | my ati card works, too |
| 20:11.42 | urso_ | nikolavp you have compiz whith ati? |
| 20:11.51 | nikolavp | nah, i prefer beryl |
| 20:12.03 | dakoo | I have beryl |
| 20:12.19 | stew | urso_: you seem to be confused. the x.org server contains something called AIGLX which provides similar functionality to XGL. The accellerated drivers that come with x.org include support for AIGLX. debian includes all of these drivers. |
| 20:12.24 | CalJohn | nikolavp: I find that gentoo don't do enough testing before putting packages into stable, YMMV |
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| 20:12.35 | inv | hi all |
| 20:12.36 | urso_ | nikolavp how do you install the xgl ...? |
| 20:12.37 | stew | urso_: nvidia additionally released a closed source driver, and in their driver, nvidia added suport for AIGLX |
| 20:12.39 | metallic | w00t, just upgraded to etch and rebooted the server. lets hope that the server comes up |
| 20:12.49 | nikolavp | urso_, i use the AIGLX method. |
| 20:12.50 | inv | I have a problem during botting after update |
| 20:12.53 | stew | urso_: ati also release a closed source driver, but they did not add support for AIGLX yet |
| 20:13.10 | wols | urso_: both suck. just that nvidia sucks a little less cause their shit works more often |
| 20:13.18 | urso_ | nikolavp but ... AIGLX not working whith ... ati right? |
| 20:13.27 | CalJohn | wols: no, it seems like debconf is making a mistake; "no valid FontPath could be found" |
| 20:13.27 | nikolavp | no. |
| 20:13.28 | Azar | CalJohn: it seems like you need a cleansing of your habits, the moment you moved to Debian you have to learn new ways from scratch. |
| 20:13.36 | nikolavp | it works with the radeon OPEN SOURCE drivers |
| 20:13.41 | nikolavp | which are included in the kernel :) |
| 20:13.41 | urso_ | wols yes but i dont have one nvidia i have one ati ... |
| 20:13.52 | inv | Mounting /dev/hda1 on /root failed: No such device |
| 20:13.54 | stew | urso_: you have it backwards, the fglrx driver from ati doesn't support AIGLX. AIGLX doesn't support any particular hardware |
| 20:13.57 | nikolavp | and debian found them out of the box |
| 20:13.58 | CalJohn | Azar: I did use Debian back on Woody and before then |
| 20:14.02 | wols | urso_: we already know that. aren't you done whining yet? |
| 20:14.04 | nikolavp | i didnt even need to install anything |
| 20:14.16 | stew | wols: if his whining is annoying you, put him on ignore |
| 20:14.17 | Azar | CalJohn: lots of things have changed since woody |
| 20:14.20 | CalJohn | Azar: I just skipped out sarge and etch :p |
| 20:14.21 | inv | Targen filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init |
| 20:14.26 | wols | inv: it's probably /dev/sda |
| 20:14.27 | nofxxxx | hi there!! Im starting with networking on linux, I did a schema..proof of theory...ehhee... if someone have some better idea... check the schema: http://wiki.nofxx.com/linux:gateway |
| 20:14.28 | wols | inv: it's probably /dev/sda1 |
| 20:14.37 | CalJohn | Azar: seems so. I miss linux 2.4 :( |
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| 20:14.54 | inv | wols: how can I check it ? root=/dev/sda1 doesn't work too |
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| 20:14.58 | Azar | CalJohn: it would have been a good idea if you would practice a bit on Etch... then move upwards.. |
| 20:14.59 | urso_ | nikolavp so what the configurations you do? ... do you remember what tuturial do you follow? do you using the free ati drivers or the no ffree drivers ? |
| 20:15.01 | Daidalus13 | hi all. I just wanted you to see this. It is about buying a notebook without the MS Windows XP/Vista/whatever. Feel free to add your thoughts... http://forums.ebuyer.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=8357 |
| 20:15.17 | inv | wols: ls -l /dev/sda1 - no device |
| 20:15.17 | urso_ | wols i'm not a shureifim making me understand very well :\ |
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| 20:15.23 | nikolavp | urso_, well i have both Gentoo and Debian over here |
| 20:15.26 | nofxxxx | Daidalus13, dude.. im xtra happy with acer.... and no M$ |
| 20:15.30 | inv | wols: /dev/hda1 is present |
| 20:15.42 | valdyn | nofxxxx: your netmasks are funny |
| 20:15.42 | nikolavp | so i followed the AIGLX tutorial on gentoo |
| 20:15.43 | urso_ | nikolavp urggggggggggggggg you have one ati right? |
| 20:15.46 | nikolavp | and just copied the file :) |
| 20:15.58 | nikolavp | but u can find many tutorials in the internet |
| 20:16.01 | CalJohn | Azar: I'm not sure it's that far removed from before. Plus, this is just for fun really :) |
| 20:16.05 | Azar | urso_: why don't you spend a good quality time reading about ati on Debian.... you are getting nowhere here |
| 20:16.11 | valdyn | nofxxxx: should be /24 on each |
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| 20:16.38 | wols | urso_: you make yourself understood more than enough. instead of trying to fix your problem, you rathere stay here and whine |
| 20:16.39 | valdyn | nofxxxx: 192.168.x.x/16 or 192.168.1.x/24 |
| 20:16.41 | nofxxxx | valdyn, hm.... but I tought I need 255.255.0.0 ... to be able to choose the third octet |
| 20:16.47 | urso_ | Azar i dont know if you remember ... i spent days counting all the hours im here try to install this i think is ridicul because i got the software and everyting just dont work in the distor i use ... |
| 20:17.09 | Daidalus13 | nofxxx I know. If I actually buy a not used notebook, it will be Acer and I will try to decline the EULA and get some money back. |
| 20:17.15 | nofxxxx | valdyn, yup..first one .. both nics 192.160.x.x/16..... wrong? |
| 20:17.15 | CalJohn | "startx" reports "no valid FontPath could be found". I'm suspecting (since this is a fresh install), that I'm missing something (a font package?). |
| 20:17.20 | urso_ | nikolavp do you have the free driver install or the no free installed? |
| 20:17.24 | valdyn | nofxxxx: your /16 makes everything starting with 192.168 be in the same subnet, which they are not |
| 20:17.33 | urso_ | nikolavp you are using one ati right? |
| 20:17.54 | borschty_ | so much worry just for some spinning cubes... |
| 20:17.54 | nikolavp | urso_, free ;) |
| 20:17.57 | wols | urso_: there are people wtih x1600 who use fglrx and there are even people who use XGL with it. you not being able to do the same is .... |
| 20:17.59 | nofxxxx | valdyn, hmmm.... |
| 20:18.04 | urso_ | nikolavp and it works? :x o0 0o |
| 20:18.08 | Pc_Dark | does debian support Beryl |
| 20:18.13 | nikolavp | i havent used the property drivers at all. |
| 20:18.14 | Daidalus13 | anyway.. I am off for now. See you soon. The link again is http://forums.ebuyer.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=8357 |
| 20:18.18 | nikolavp | yes, out of the box |
| 20:18.25 | nikolavp | since debian include a generic kernel :) |
| 20:18.29 | urso_ | nikolavp ok i will try to follow the gentoo tuturial ... then thank you very much :) |
| 20:18.31 | nikolavp | i am using the linux-image package |
| 20:18.32 | wols | urso_: R300 and love cards work. X1k cards and up don't work with the free drivers |
| 20:18.33 | valdyn | nofxxxx: now you could implement such an ip subnet via bridges, but that's braindamaged without a seriously good reason |
| 20:18.37 | stew | urso_: you are going to have to do one of the following: 1) use XGL (not supported by debian), 2) wait for ati to release a driver supporting AIGLX 3) use a different distro that provides XGL 4) wait for the x.org "avivo" driver which will support your card |
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| 20:18.58 | stew | urso_: 4) is a driver that is not yet released, and does not yet support AIGLX, but will some time in the future |
| 20:19.07 | nikolavp | stew, i think that his card might work with AIGLX |
| 20:19.18 | nikolavp | not sure if this chipset is supported from the open source one :) |
| 20:19.28 | urso_ | stew i have there compiz whith ati working in my hd driver for test but i use debian ... |
| 20:19.34 | blinx | how can I add a turboprint printer to the /etc/printcap |
| 20:19.34 | abrotman | i thought fglrx worked with aiglx now ? |
| 20:19.38 | wols | nikolavp: no it won't. it'S not supported |
| 20:19.41 | valdyn | nofxxxx: 192.168.10.1 is in the same subnet as 192.168.1.1 if the netmask is 16 bits |
| 20:19.41 | nofxxxx | valdyn, so, its better the routher from antennas /24 .... and the local (and servers) on /16 |
| 20:19.45 | blinx | I have no idea what I should add to the file |
| 20:19.50 | wols | abrotman: your thoughts are a bit lacking |
| 20:19.57 | nofxxxx | valdyn, yes... I tought that was the right way |
| 20:20.00 | stew | nikolavp: 'radeon' only supports up to r300 or r350, his card (r520) is supported (but not yet for 3d) by the 'avivo' free driver |
| 20:20.06 | wols | blinx: ask turboprint? |
| 20:20.07 | Azar | urso_: if you have googled, you would have found answers to your questions, like: ATI cards do not support composite (unlike nvdia cards) |
| 20:20.12 | urso_ | stew this is not working here so im just asking ... |
| 20:20.13 | magic_user | install ing debian 4.0 now using the business card ISO |
| 20:20.21 | stew | urso_: yes, it is not expected to work |
| 20:20.22 | magic_user | onto a vmware virtual server |
| 20:20.24 | nikolavp | stew, ah i c. |
| 20:20.27 | valdyn | nofxxxx: its not wrong, but its using bridges for no good reason |
| 20:20.31 | nikolavp | well when i bought it i looked if it is supported |
| 20:20.37 | nikolavp | and most clever people just do that :P |
| 20:20.47 | urso_ | stew and why is not supost to work on debian and supost to work in the others distros? |
| 20:20.52 | valdyn | nofxxxx: easier to subnet by what is physically a subnet |
| 20:22.03 | Azar | urso_: did you read my comment? |
| 20:22.03 | quitte | here we go again |
| 20:22.03 | nikolavp | urso_, debian have a strange politic about the closed drivers |
| 20:22.03 | abrotman | wols: not surprising |
| 20:22.03 | stew | urso_: becuase debian doesn't provide XGL and the only way to get compiz working with that driver is XGL |
| 20:22.03 | nikolavp | since they want to be *really* free :) |
| 20:22.03 | urso_ | stew you can lose many users because of that ... |
| 20:22.03 | abrotman | nikolavp: it's not 'strange' |
| 20:22.03 | Azar | hahaha |
| 20:22.03 | urso_ | this is one mistake |
| 20:22.04 | Azar | oh my god |
| 20:22.04 | shaun_ | hey |
| 20:22.05 | abrotman | urso_: or you could not buy from companies that only release closed source crap binary only drivers ... |
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| 20:22.05 | shaun_ | what package do i need to get ssh -X working |
| 20:22.05 | nikolavp | abrotman, depends, of that - what do u really want. |
| 20:22.05 | wols | urso_: debian has no business sense never had. it doesn't care about number of users |
| 20:22.05 | shaun_ | what packages do i need on the server side |
| 20:22.05 | nikolavp | ;) |
| 20:22.05 | abrotman | !tell shaun_ about sshx |
| 20:22.06 | nikolavp | ssh -X is what for ? |
| 20:22.06 | stew | urso_: '/msg dpkg sc' debian is far more concerned with your freedom than with losing users. It is not going to compromise its ideals so you can have wobbly windows |
| 20:22.08 | nofxxxx | valdyn, so, eth0 on 192.168.x.x/16 .... eth2 on 192.168.0.x/16? |
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| 20:22.27 | nofxxxx | sorry! |
| 20:22.27 | nofxxxx | eth2 24 ! |
| 20:22.32 | nikolavp | urso_, besides if u want to not be free it wont give it to |
| 20:22.37 | nikolavp | and wont show u the easy way |
| 20:22.44 | abrotman | nikolavp: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 20:22.48 | abrotman | nikolavp: /msg dpkg u |
| 20:22.48 | nikolavp | u will have to run those *.run files :P |
| 20:22.58 | urso_ | nikolavp man ... if they dont want to distributed no opensource drivers thta ok .. but the if the persons want to use other stuff they shoud can use they |
| 20:23.06 | StucKman | hi all. which xen package should I install under etch? linux-image-...-xen or linux-image-...-xen-vserver? |
| 20:23.07 | valdyn | nofxxxx: 192.168.x.x/16 contains 192.168.0.x/24 |
| 20:23.07 | Azar | urso_: as a faithful debian user, I don't give a crap about compiz and beryl |
| 20:23.17 | abrotman | Azar: you're sitll on sarge |
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| 20:23.23 | rahul | !find libCEGUIDevILImageCodec.so |
| 20:23.23 | nofxxxx | valdyn, I can use another ip group too.. like 172.16 for eth0.. 192.168 for eth2... maybe better |
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| 20:23.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libCEGUIDevILImageCodec.so' (3): (/usr/lib/libCEGUIDevILImageCodec.so) in libdevel/libcegui-mk2-dev ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libCEGUIDevILImageCodec.so.0.0.0) in libdevel/libcegui-mk2-0c2a-dbg ;; (/usr/lib/{libCEGUIDevILImageCodec.so.0|libCEGUIDevILImageCodec.so.0.0.0}) in libs/libcegui-mk2-0c2a. |
| 20:23.35 | quitte | urso_: nobody is stopping you from downlaoding and installing the drivers from ati |
| 20:23.35 | Azar | abrotman: yes, waiting for my first experience with burning the etch iso |
| 20:23.35 | nikolavp | abrotman, lol that's cool ;) |
| 20:23.43 | urso_ | nikolavp and if you give suport to nvidia ... you agains the same politic you are say ... |
| 20:23.46 | urso_ | dont? |
| 20:23.49 | rahul | hrm |
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| 20:23.54 | nikolavp | urso_, well u can use property software on debian too :) |
| 20:23.55 | valdyn | nofxxxx: or you could just go with /24 subnets, or do you really need thousands of ip addresses? |
| 20:24.02 | nikolavp | but dont expect to be supported anywhere :d |
| 20:24.03 | Azar | hi mister rahul.. :) |
| 20:24.06 | urso_ | quitte for what to you guys tell me thta is really supost dont work? |
| 20:24.07 | rahul | :\ |
| 20:24.10 | nofxxxx | valdyn, ops.. missed you message..... so different ip groups? sorry if Im not following... |
| 20:24.25 | borschty_ | urso_, you can use xgl, nobody is stopping you from doing so, but there is no package provided, so you will have to compile it yourself |
| 20:24.27 | nikolavp | urso_, i think that debian gives support to nvidia in some wikipedia pages :) |
| 20:24.30 | Azar | urso_: and please don't call debian opensource |
| 20:24.31 | rahul | Azar: damn this secret maryo chronicles poopheadedness |
| 20:24.33 | nofxxxx | valdyn, about ~300 pcs... half on wifi, half local |
| 20:24.34 | nikolavp | did u see it on the official page ? |
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| 20:24.36 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:24.37 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:24.43 | valdyn | nofxxxx: you can use any mask length |
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| 20:25.08 | Azar | urso_: again, pay attention here ok? >>> ATI cards do not support composite (unlike nvdia cards) |
| 20:25.11 | urso_ | nikolavp that what im talking you guys are suport nvidia ... "that have no free drivers" butati have no free drivers to |
| 20:25.18 | urso_ | this is discrimination |
| 20:25.19 | stew | Azar: thats not correct, both do |
| 20:25.20 | valdyn | nofxxxx: /22 would give 255*4 ips |
| 20:25.22 | urso_ | racism |
| 20:25.26 | quitte | does ubuntu use xgl or a certain version of fglrx? |
| 20:25.27 | stew | urso_: stop |
| 20:25.27 | Azar | hahaha |
| 20:25.31 | abrotman | quitte: ask #ubuntu |
| 20:25.32 | urso_ | is true man |
| 20:25.36 | Azar | stew: that what I found googling |
| 20:25.46 | urso_ | the problem is the poliques .... |
| 20:25.48 | wols | urso_: it's not we who decied that nvidia should support libcomposite. it's nvidia that did and ati said "no we don#t want to yet" |
| 20:25.54 | stew | Azar: if ati cards didn't support composite, compiz/beryl wouldn't work |
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| 20:26.35 | Azar | stew: that was in a context "without XGL" Iguess |
| 20:26.43 | nofxxxx | lan : 172.16.x.x/22 wifi: 192.168.0.1/24 ? |
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| 20:26.56 | urso_ | wols what i know is that the compiz work whith ... ati in another distro butnot in my distor that all |
| 20:27.02 | nofxxxx | then Ill have 4 option on the third octet |
| 20:27.03 | stew | urso_: ATI hasn't provided the support you are looking for, NVIDIA did, lots of volunteers have spent tons and tons of time trying to reverse engineer a driver for your card: http://swik.net/Ubuntu/Planet+Ubuntu/Daniel+Stone:+Initial+Avivo+release/baxte |
| 20:27.03 | nikolavp | urso_, well u are supported and your card will work |
| 20:27.04 | nikolavp | ;) |
| 20:27.10 | urso_ | so dont tell me that is about poliques ... |
| 20:27.12 | nikolavp | it just wont work with effects, that's all |
| 20:27.12 | stew | urso_: so use another distro |
| 20:27.13 | nikolavp | ;) |
| 20:27.22 | urso_ | when you suport one no free and dont want to suport another no free |
| 20:27.23 | nofxxxx | of the lan... right? |
| 20:27.28 | wols | urso_: you are repeating yourself. your whining won't make debian support it, that's for sure |
| 20:27.30 | valdyn | nofxxxx: right, seems like that is sufficient for you |
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| 20:27.58 | Azar | urso_: stop it, you got the message: debian does not come with ati proprietary drivers. |
| 20:27.59 | stew | urso_: please drop it. you are repeating yourself. we've told you why it is so. do you have anything else we can help you with? |
| 20:28.20 | nofxxxx | valdyn, great ... ty very much ! |
| 20:28.28 | urso_ | wols so dont give me question... that have the same asnwser |
| 20:28.29 | valdyn | urso_: politics? |
| 20:28.32 | chops | urso_: Coming to Debian and asking them not to talk about politics is like going to the ocean and complaining that it has water in it. Do some reading about where Debian comes from and why it was founded. |
| 20:28.59 | wols | chops: to get free beer and poontang? |
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| 20:29.06 | CalJohn | figured out my "no valid FontPath found" issue. seems like I should've emerged some xorg virtual package instead of xserver-xorg. :| |
| 20:29.11 | Azar | urso_: there are others waiting with real questions/issues .... please make room |
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| 20:29.23 | chops | wols: Ssh, the beer's supposed to be a secret. |
| 20:29.26 | valdyn | urso_: debian has a heavy idiological ( or political if you insist ) background. That's what defines much of debian. Use something else if you dont like its implications |
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| 20:29.48 | urso_ | Azar yehh right mas a verdade eh que voces ainda não me deram resposta nenhuma não eh? ou jah tneho isto a funcionar aqui? |
| 20:29.55 | wols | !beer chops |
| 20:29.56 | stew | urso_: english only in here |
| 20:29.56 | urso_ | bah |
| 20:30.10 | urso_ | so tretas pah |
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| 20:30.16 | shaun_ | when installing a package with dpkg |
| 20:30.18 | urso_ | stew ok |
| 20:30.20 | stew | urso_: stop. english only |
| 20:30.32 | shaun_ | is there a way to make it automatically download and install all of the dependencies? |
| 20:30.33 | CalJohn | urso_: debian only really want to support certain non-frees. basically, they only want to support as little non-free as possible. |
| 20:30.40 | abrotman | shaun_: aptitude -f install |
| 20:30.50 | shaun_ | thanks! |
| 20:31.01 | abrotman | CalJohn: that doesn't make sense |
| 20:31.18 | CalJohn | abrotman: maybe i miss read his question then. sorry |
| 20:31.20 | inv | can't understand why debian can't mount /dev/hda1 |
| 20:31.22 | vulture | I don't think there's anyone out there stopping someone from making an ATI-equiv to non-free's nvidia-kernel-source type stuff. Just no one has bothered to (or ATI's distribution odesn't lend itself to such work) |
| 20:31.25 | rilofa_ | hello, I've installed eclipse package and when I lunch it I'm told that I need an jre... I have read some doc, and I realized that it is not easy to choose... shall I go for the SUN kit? What about open alternatives? any advise? thx |
| 20:31.36 | abrotman | !tell rilofa_ about install java |
| 20:31.44 | shaun_ | abrotman: actually that doesnt do it.. |
| 20:31.52 | abrotman | shaun_: what did it tell you ? |
| 20:31.58 | abrotman | !paste |
| 20:31.58 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 20:31.59 | valdyn | rilofa_: "aptitude install eclipse" does not do the right thing for you? |
| 20:32.00 | wols | rilofa_: I wouldn't use a Free jre imho |
| 20:32.02 | urso_ | CalJohn thta why i tell this is discrimination and racism .... |
| 20:32.02 | stew | vulture: it already exists |
| 20:32.15 | abrotman | wtf |
| 20:32.15 | rilofa_ | abrotman: thx, let me have a look |
| 20:32.18 | shaun_ | abrotman: i want to install xbase-clients, its showing up when i do aptitude search xbase, but when i do aptitude install xbase-clients it isnt installing it |
| 20:32.21 | vulture | stew: Alrighty (wouldn't know, I've never had an ATI card) - so do we know what urso_'s complaining about? |
| 20:32.24 | stew | urso_: its not. and we've explained why its not. drop it |
| 20:32.31 | nofxxxx | rilofa_, im using sun one.. from aptitude... no problems at all |
| 20:32.34 | urso_ | and the problem is i use debian and have one not suported |
| 20:32.34 | abrotman | shaun_: is this box sarge or etch ? |
| 20:32.42 | wols | rilofa_: using ati instead of something else constitutes a race now? keep it up you a beginning to be funny |
| 20:32.49 | abrotman | wols: wrong person |
| 20:32.56 | wols | abrotman: as usualy :( |
| 20:33.01 | shaun_ | abrotman: uhh its actually ubuntu, i guess i should ask there |
| 20:33.03 | urso_ | CalJohn but looks they dont want to acepted what im tell |
| 20:33.11 | stew | urso_: there are people spending a lot of effort on a free driver for your card, perhaps you should volunteer as well: http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=avivo/xf86-video-avivo.git |
| 20:33.14 | abrotman | shaun_: yes .. probably |
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| 20:33.41 | vulture | stew: what is his complaint? I don't quite get it. |
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| 20:33.59 | quitte | urso_: xgl is a weird way of doing compiz. it's not supported in debian and that probably is a good thing. |
| 20:34.04 | stew | vulture: he's complaining that the non-free ati driver doesn't yet support AIGLX |
| 20:34.06 | abrotman | vulture: ati/nvidia sucks .. and he doesn't understand that |
| 20:34.12 | wols | vulture: je cannot run beryl on his x1600 poor guy |
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| 20:34.23 | Pc_Dark | Um |
| 20:34.27 | Pc_Dark | Why won't beryl install |
| 20:34.30 | Pc_Dark | ./configure worked |
| 20:34.35 | urso_ | quitte ok so you tell to me and to the others milions of ati users to go away and use some other distro is that? |
| 20:34.36 | Pc_Dark | but "make" returned a whole bunch of errors |
| 20:34.38 | wols | !beryl |
| 20:34.38 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 20:34.38 | valdyn | vulture: blaming debian of racism for ati's lack of decent drivers |
| 20:34.40 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: ask #beryl |
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| 20:34.51 | vulture | abrotman: He seemed to think that there was some functionality that Debian Developers were providing for nvidia but not for ATI - I just assumed he was talking about the non-free packages to hepl install the respective binary-only drivers |
| 20:34.52 | urso_ | stew thank you very much i will read it |
| 20:34.54 | wols | Pc_Dark: especially since you compile from source |
| 20:35.01 | quitte | urso_: no. i'm telling you to get a gfx card that supports aiglx |
| 20:35.11 | abrotman | vulture: yes well .. i could comment more .. but i shouldn't |
| 20:35.25 | urso_ | quitte do you thik i have you money or what? |
| 20:35.25 | stew | urso_: this conversation has gone way beyond usefulness. please stop this conversation |
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| 20:35.29 | stew | urso_: stop |
| 20:35.30 | quitte | urso_: or not use compiz. or go away, of course |
| 20:35.34 | stew | and everyone else, please move on |
| 20:35.34 | urso_ | quitte i have one ati |
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| 20:35.50 | urso_ | and it works i know it work i have this working in others distros |
| 20:35.54 | stew | urso_: stop |
| 20:35.58 | urso_ | i just use debian |
| 20:36.07 | urso_ | i can stop if they stop to |
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| 20:36.19 | stew | good. |
| 20:36.23 | rilofa_ | nofxxxx: I want to try first the open alternatives... sun the last |
| 20:36.31 | chops | http://www.donotfeedtheenergybeast.com/ |
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| 20:36.40 | inv | I'm sry, but how to check why debian can't mount /dev/hda1 ? |
| 20:36.41 | valdyn | urso_: xgl works on your card, using the proprietary fglrx drivers. Xgl is not in debian. |
| 20:36.45 | stew | vulture: drop it |
| 20:36.47 | nofxxxx | rilofa_, ok...please tell me if it is better xD |
| 20:36.48 | stew | valdyn: ^ |
| 20:36.55 | stew | vulture: (not you, sorry) |
| 20:37.09 | stew | valdyn: its all been covered. its going nowhere, please just let it die |
| 20:37.18 | valdyn | stew: k |
| 20:37.27 | rilofa_ | nofxxxx well, from what I've read, it seems that sun is the best.... |
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| 20:38.11 | rilofa_ | nofxxxx but distributed under a license not accepted in Debian... |
| 20:38.39 | chops | rilofa_: You can install Sun's java in Debian. /msg dpkg java |
| 20:38.42 | CalJohn | If I want a version of fluxbox that's not in the repositories, I'm going to have to build/package it myself, right? |
| 20:38.44 | valdyn | rilofa_: hmm? sun's jre and jdk are in debian |
| 20:38.46 | abrotman | chops: i already gave him that info |
| 20:38.52 | abrotman | valdyn: they're still non-free |
| 20:38.54 | stew | valdyn: not yet, they're in non-free |
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| 20:39.02 | wols | CalJohn: or find someone who packaged it already |
| 20:39.11 | abrotman | valdyn: FSVO "not in debian" i suppose |
| 20:39.45 | CalJohn | wols: where would I find that? |
| 20:40.03 | CalJohn | wols: is there some central place to find that kind of thing? |
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| 20:40.22 | stew | CalJohn: you could try to patch the debian package to the newer version |
| 20:40.28 | rilofa_ | valdyn: thanks for the info |
| 20:40.41 | wols | !naclüprts |
| 20:40.51 | wols | CalJohn: apt-get.org. but no, no central place |
| 20:41.04 | wols | CalJohn: or you can do a simple sid backport if it's in lenny or sid |
| 20:41.04 | abrotman | i think that's been mostly abandoned |
| 20:41.10 | wols | !tell CalJohn about simple sid backport |
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| 20:41.33 | wols | damn. my typing is even worse than useal. time for some eye resting |
| 20:41.49 | stew | CalJohn: just don't go and find some pacakge that was not made for your release and try to install it on your release without recompiling it |
| 20:41.51 | shaun_ | hey abrotman, i am actually running debian heh |
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| 20:41.59 | magic_user | how do I update all the packages on a debian box? |
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| 20:42.08 | magic_user | apt-get update? |
| 20:42.10 | magic_user | is it? |
| 20:42.12 | stew | magic_user: aptitude upgrade |
| 20:42.16 | CalJohn | stew: good advice. |
| 20:42.31 | abrotman | shaun_: you are? |
| 20:42.36 | shaun_ | abrotman: here is my sources.list |
| 20:42.39 | abrotman | !paste |
| 20:42.39 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 20:42.41 | CalJohn | wols: ill try a sid backport. sounds easiest. |
| 20:42.48 | shaun_ | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/VKhsXe94.html |
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| 20:43.05 | abrotman | wtf is scratchbox ? |
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| 20:43.21 | shaun_ | abrotman: i dont really know |
| 20:43.27 | abrotman | where did you get the machine ? |
| 20:43.49 | shaun_ | abrotman: its a server at my work |
| 20:43.56 | abrotman | where's the admin ? |
| 20:44.05 | valdyn | !non-us |
| 20:44.05 | dpkg | non-us is, like, where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 20:44.10 | valdyn | shaun_: ^^^ |
| 20:44.11 | Azar | hehe he got "all" debian versions there |
| 20:44.15 | abrotman | shaun_: are you the admin ? |
| 20:44.30 | shaun_ | abrotman: no |
| 20:44.31 | valdyn | Azar: only -src |
| 20:44.35 | abrotman | shaun_: he should be shot :) |
| 20:44.46 | abrotman | shaun_: anyways .. what's your actual question ? |
| 20:44.49 | CalJohn | wols: will that put the deb in the current working directory? |
| 20:44.54 | abrotman | oh that's right .. aptitude died |
| 20:44.55 | shaun_ | abrotman: i want to install xbase-clients |
| 20:45.00 | abrotman | shaun_: paste the error somewhere ... |
| 20:45.16 | magic_user | why does it want to upgrade the kernel if it is the same version as uname -a tells me I have? |
| 20:45.27 | rilofa_ | valdyn: free-java-sdk is just installed (after your advise) but eclipse is still asking for a jre (or a jdk)... ;( |
| 20:45.29 | redduck666 | magic_user: security upgrade? |
| 20:45.29 | abrotman | different source version |
| 20:45.34 | Azar | valdyn: ah.. well still looks like a stew.. |
| 20:45.41 | magic_user | hm |
| 20:45.42 | magic_user | o |
| 20:45.44 | magic_user | kk |
| 20:45.51 | shaun_ | "No candidate version of this package available" |
| 20:45.54 | shaun_ | or soemthing long those lines |
| 20:46.38 | shaun_ | abrotman: "No candidate version found for xbase-clients" |
| 20:46.47 | abrotman | shaun_: i'm pretty sure xbase-clients doesn't exist anymore |
| 20:46.52 | abrotman | !info xbase-clients etch |
| 20:46.58 | stew | shaun_: show us the output of " apt-cache policy " use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:46.58 | dpkg | xbase-clients: (miscellaneous X clients), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.1.ds1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 1182 kB, Installed size: 3420 kB |
| 20:47.02 | abrotman | argh .. |
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| 20:47.22 | hansgnu | I install beryl using it own tutorial on beryl-project. after reboot it supposed to work. But my gdm does not show beryl or something and the beryl-manager restarts my X. what I need to do ? |
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| 20:48.29 | amphi | hansgnu: xgl or aiglx? |
| 20:48.53 | magic_user | so apt-get upgrade and aptitude upgrade are the same? |
| 20:49.21 | redduck666 | !tell magic_user about aptitude |
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| 20:49.25 | stew | magic_user: they attempt to perform the same function |
| 20:49.37 | Azar | magic_user: almost , with aptitude being a bit better at repairing/cleaning |
| 20:49.52 | Grapsus | hansgnu, run beryl-manager |
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| 20:50.02 | Blackgoth | !u |
| 20:50.07 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:50.07 | hansgnu | amphi: using the tutorial it does not show, but i did see in other tutorial. I could no install because i do not have repository |
| 20:50.26 | shaun_ | stew: http://rafb.net/p/WW5cEv21.html |
| 20:50.29 | Grapsus | hansgnu, if itworks add it to /usr/share/xsessions/ |
| 20:50.31 | hansgnu | Grapsus: it just restart my gdm |
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| 20:50.33 | amphi | hansgnu: ouf - what are _you_ using? |
| 20:50.36 | shaun_ | abrotman: so i cant get it? |
| 20:50.49 | shaun_ | abrotman: the overall goal is to be able to use ssh -X |
| 20:50.51 | abrotman | shaun_: apt-cache policy xbase-clients .. what's the candidate vdersion ? |
| 20:50.53 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - does anybody know of any vfat file recovery software (other than all the commercial ones that come up when you google) |
| 20:50.55 | hansgnu | amphi: debian etch |
| 20:50.56 | stew | shaun_: you don't have a debian mirror, /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 20:51.20 | stew | shaun_: you only have a bunch of incomplete add-on repositories, you don't have a main mirror |
| 20:51.30 | shaun_ | abrotman: none |
| 20:51.31 | abrotman | stew: in his sources file he does |
| 20:51.32 | shaun_ | abrotman: they are all none |
| 20:51.38 | abrotman | oh .. nm .. i misread |
| 20:51.39 | stew | abrotman: in his apt-cache policy he didn't |
| 20:51.41 | amphi | hansgnu: what video card and driver? |
| 20:51.46 | hansgnu | Grapsus: what i need to do there? |
| 20:51.47 | abrotman | he has deb-src .. not deb |
| 20:51.47 | rdz | hello all. [ot], but anyway: is there a way i could check if certain port is open for outbound connections? |
| 20:51.49 | stew | shaun_: and you should not try to mix testing and stable |
| 20:51.56 | abrotman | rdz: try to use it ? |
| 20:52.03 | hansgnu | amphi: Intel 945GM, drive form factory |
| 20:52.07 | shaun_ | stew: so should i make them all testing for right now? |
| 20:52.09 | abrotman | shaun_: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 20:52.10 | Super_Cat_Frog | rdz: iptables --list |
| 20:52.13 | redduck666 | rdz: netstat for internal use, nmap for external. |
| 20:52.14 | rdz | abrotman, but i need a servive on the other side |
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| 20:52.31 | stew | shaun_: depends on what that line from abrotman returns |
| 20:52.35 | hansgnu | amphi: detail.... driver made to susi and i use the alien do change to debian pakcage |
| 20:52.36 | amphi | hansgnu: that should work fine; is aiglx and the composite extenstion enabled in your xorg.conf? |
| 20:52.36 | rdz | redduck666, i'll have a look at the man pages |
| 20:52.40 | rdz | thank you guys |
| 20:52.40 | Grapsus | hansgnu, nothing for the moment, you can add beryl choice to gdm here, but before beryl-manager should work if you run it manually |
| 20:52.47 | amphi | hansgnu: wtf? |
| 20:52.52 | abrotman | stew: chorus line! |
| 20:52.53 | shaun_ | stew: it returned none |
| 20:53.03 | amphi | hansgnu: what 'driver'? you mean xgl? |
| 20:53.11 | shaun_ | oh wait nevermind |
| 20:53.12 | stew | shaun_: try it again |
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| 20:53.21 | shaun_ | abrotman: stew: ii libc6 2.3.6-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:53.37 | hansgnu | amphi: when i go intel ... they give us um rpm package |
| 20:53.40 | abrotman | i think that's pre-etch ... |
| 20:53.50 | hansgnu | amphi: i convert to deb |
| 20:53.54 | stew | shaun_: then you should get rid of all the testing, and stable, and just have "etch". remove non-US, it no longer exists. then add a mirror for "main" /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 20:53.54 | amphi | hansgnu: the intel driver is in xorg |
| 20:53.54 | hansgnu | using lien |
| 20:53.57 | quitte | hansgnu: etch already has the drivers you need |
| 20:54.01 | stew | shaun_: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:54.20 | shaun_ | stew: 2.4.25-1-686-smp |
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| 20:54.30 | hansgnu | amphi: it has all the lines described |
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| 20:55.05 | Grapsus | hansgnu, du you have direct rendering ? (glxinfo | grep direct) |
| 20:55.11 | stew | shaun_: then after you get a "main" mirror, you are going to have to upgrade your kernel too: /msg dpkg upgrade kernel |
| 20:55.28 | shaun_ | stew: does that require a reboot? |
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| 20:55.37 | stew | shaun_: a new kernel does |
| 20:55.42 | shaun_ | ok |
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| 20:55.54 | hansgnu | Grapsus: libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x5b |
| 20:55.54 | hansgnu | direct rendering: Yes |
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| 20:56.12 | stew | shaun_: 2.4 kernels are not supported under etch aka stable which you will be upgrading to. they won't work for some things. a 2.4 kernel will not work at all with lenny, the current testing |
| 20:56.17 | Enverex | The brightness controls aren't working on my laptop, can anyone think of anything to do to make them work? |
| 20:56.28 | mac_mini | ughh |
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| 20:56.55 | mac_mini | can anyone help with me with fglrx? |
| 20:56.59 | shaun_ | stew: so i am going to erase my sources.list and put this in its place, let me paste bin it |
| 20:57.00 | Enverex | Laptop is an Asus F3Jp |
| 20:57.02 | Grapsus | Enverex, what's your laptop model ? |
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| 20:57.22 | Grapsus | Enverex, I have a F3T and I made them working |
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| 20:57.32 | hansgnu | amphi: do I need to load "aiglx" |
| 20:57.43 | rilofa_ | eclipse is complaining about this: "No Java virtual machine was found after searching the following locations: /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4-sun/bin/java", any work around not to install Sun's JRE? |
| 20:57.44 | cmo-0 | I'm trying to get xfstt to work. it starts at bootup, but when adding new fonts to the dircetory /usr/share/xfstt/fonts/truetype, they are not listed by xlsfont |
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| 20:58.09 | Enverex | Grapsus, How? |
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| 20:58.37 | alberto | Hi. |
| 20:58.42 | Grapsus | Enverex, first you have to correct your DSDT and then patch asus-laptop.ko :D |
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| 20:58.59 | alberto | Can someone -please- try to help me with mailman, I have this problem: http://pastebin.com/936284 |
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| 20:59.23 | alberto | Cant create mailman list needed for creating rest all of them, did I something wrong in the syntax? |
| 20:59.34 | Grapsus | hansgnu, I think you only need to run beryl-xgl with Intell... |
| 21:00.01 | Enverex | Grapsus, ... ugh |
| 21:00.17 | Enverex | Grapsus, The odd thing was it works on Ubuntu |
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| 21:01.17 | shaun_ | abrotman: stew: http://rafb.net/p/e8nqQ829.html |
| 21:01.25 | Grapsus | Enverex, maybe you have just to upgrade to the latest version of asus-laptop ? |
| 21:01.30 | shaun_ | abrotman: stew: would that be the new sources.list? |
| 21:01.56 | Enverex | Grapsus, Using the latest in Sid |
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| 21:03.00 | Grapsus | Enverex, to you have ACPI for both brightness keys ? Try to run tail -f /var/log/acpid and press them... |
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| 21:03.10 | abrotman | shaun_: you may want the non-free on the security lines also |
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| 21:03.23 | abrotman | shaun_: and please don't use ftp.debian.org .. choose a mirror near you |
| 21:04.14 | abrotman | shaun_: there is a mirror at usc and berkeley |
| 21:04.15 | Enverex | Grapsus, Nothing happens |
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| 21:04.32 | amphi | hansgnu: yes |
| 21:04.44 | Grapsus | Enverex, which version of asus-laptop do you have ? |
| 21:04.50 | ianus | hi there |
| 21:05.04 | ianus | i cannot remember where mplayer codecs are supposed to go |
| 21:05.08 | ianus | any idea? |
| 21:05.17 | Grapsus | Enverex, to find it modprobe -r asus-laptop ; modprobe asus-laptop ; dmesg |
| 21:05.38 | quitte | ianus: /usr/lib/win32/ |
| 21:05.52 | ianus | thanks ;) quitte |
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| 21:06.12 | RainCT | Hi |
| 21:06.29 | RainCT | how can I file an ITP? (if I'm not providing a Package: line it's rejecting my mail) |
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| 21:06.48 | Enverex | Grapsus, Version 4.0 |
| 21:06.52 | Enverex | er |
| 21:06.55 | Enverex | 0.40 |
| 21:07.03 | Grapsus | RainCT, you should proposeaname for the package |
| 21:07.23 | RainCT | Grapsus: ah ok, thx |
| 21:07.24 | Grapsus | Enverex, the one on the CVS is 0.42, you should try |
| 21:07.25 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/devel/wnpp/#l1 |
| 21:07.47 | Enverex | Grapsus, hrm, is that gonna be easy considering it's a kernel module? |
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| 21:08.34 | Grapsus | Enverex, yes you just need make and gcc http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=81433 |
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| 21:09.04 | hansgnu | amphi: do you know any repository for xserver-xgl |
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| 21:09.40 | amphi | hansgnu: you don't need xgl with the intel xorg driver - wtf are you doing? |
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| 21:10.42 | abrotman | amphi: trying to use beryl |
| 21:10.44 | amphi | hansgnu: /j #beryl and get some help ;) |
| 21:11.14 | amphi | abrotman: I know, but there is more than a little madness in his 'method' |
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| 21:11.28 | hackmiker | is there any support for Xgl in debian? |
| 21:11.32 | abrotman | nope |
| 21:11.39 | abrotman | !xgl |
| 21:11.39 | dpkg | xgl is probably the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
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| 21:12.09 | amphi | abrotman: no need to use xgl with intel cards; and xgl is worth avoiding if at all possible |
| 21:12.35 | hackmiker | thanks |
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| 21:13.10 | amphi | abrotman: now it's only fglrx that requires it; recent nvidia blobs don't need xgl apparently |
| 21:13.23 | dimsuz | is there rss feed for packages entering/removing from testing this day? I found http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html. Would be great if it existed as rss... |
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| 21:14.17 | CalJohn | What is the debian virtual package for xorg called? |
| 21:14.21 | abrotman | amphi: AIUI .. yes |
| 21:14.25 | abrotman | CalJohn: that's it |
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| 21:15.40 | CalJohn | abrotman: well, doesn't that seem sensible. Thanks. |
| 21:15.50 | AlanHaggai | I am able to send e-mail from my mail server using mutt. But how do I read the received e-mail? |
| 21:17.07 | Enverex | Grapsus, Ok, loaded the new one, still doesn't work |
| 21:17.14 | karsten | AlanHaggai: With mutt. |
| 21:17.32 | AlanHaggai | karsten, but mutt isn't showing any. |
| 21:17.42 | djw | maybe you don't have any |
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| 21:17.49 | abrotman | no one loves you |
| 21:17.49 | djw | AlanHaggai: look at your server logs |
| 21:17.54 | AlanHaggai | Ok. |
| 21:18.03 | karsten | AlanHaggai: Depends on where it's getting delivered to. In general, set your mutt inbox to the delivery location. /var/spool/mail/$USER by default, unless you're delivering (eg: with procmail) to ~/Inbox or similar. |
| 21:18.08 | abrotman | or figure out where your mail puts it |
| 21:18.12 | rgsteele | abrotman: That was good for a monday afternoon chuckle :) |
| 21:18.13 | AlanHaggai | I see. |
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| 21:19.07 | pickcoder | AlanHaggai: are you logged in as the user who's mail you're trying to read? |
| 21:19.09 | mik3 | how can i make my system use a proxy for all telnet sesions? |
| 21:19.17 | AlanHaggai | pickcoder, yes. |
| 21:19.25 | karsten | mik3: iptables, forward rule. |
| 21:19.46 | karsten | mik3: Either locally or on your LAN <-> Intarweb gateway. |
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| 21:20.06 | Gat-man | hello guys, I just need some help with a simple problem. |
| 21:20.18 | karsten | !tell Gat-man about ask |
| 21:20.29 | Grapsus | Enverex, now see if your keys are producing ACPI events |
| 21:20.30 | peterS | Gat-man: in this channel you generally won't get a lot of offers for help until you've actually described your problem |
| 21:20.47 | Gat-man | I was just gonna :P |
| 21:20.52 | mik3 | hmm karset think you can give me the syntax real quick? kind of in a hurry =P |
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| 21:21.01 | abrotman | rgsteele: glad i made your day .. |
| 21:21.03 | karsten | mik3: Nope. |
| 21:21.06 | pickcoder | Gat-man: no worries. People here are question nazis. |
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| 21:21.12 | abrotman | we are? |
| 21:21.18 | mik3 | yes |
| 21:21.19 | mik3 | you are |
| 21:21.21 | karsten | mik3: Shorewall or a similar firewall rule-builder is your best bet. |
| 21:21.28 | mik3 | karsten : ok thanks |
| 21:21.41 | pickcoder | abrotman: please be more specific in your question |
| 21:21.44 | Gat-man | I want permission to write to var/www/apache2-default via everyone |
| 21:21.47 | mik3 | haha |
| 21:21.49 | Enverex | Grapsus, No still |
| 21:21.50 | Gat-man | not just root |
| 21:21.56 | karsten | mik3: More interesting question from my point would be WTF are you running telnet for? |
| 21:21.59 | abrotman | pickcoder: no way! |
| 21:22.00 | rgsteele | abrotman: Well, made my day would imply you pushed out my database cluster. But you did improve it slightly :) |
| 21:22.03 | karsten | Gat-man: No you don't. |
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| 21:22.12 | abrotman | rgsteele: i could push it out the window :) |
| 21:22.19 | mik3 | karsten : my work blocked telnet so i can't mud from work, thus i need to evade |
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| 21:22.32 | karsten | mik3: Firewall-piercing HOWTO. |
| 21:22.34 | a1fa | how can i set mtu size for my ppp connections? |
| 21:22.34 | abrotman | mik3: doesn't this seem like a bad idea ? |
| 21:22.36 | rgsteele | abrotman: That would buy me some time, until NewEgg shipped me new parts. |
| 21:22.40 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:22.45 | mik3 | abrotman : please google before asking here |
| 21:22.50 | abrotman | mik3: google what? |
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| 21:22.55 | karsten | mik3: ... and note that violating your employer's security policy is generally a Really Bad Idea[tm]. |
| 21:23.01 | mik3 | ask less vague questions please abrotman |
| 21:23.06 | abrotman | mik3: stop being an ass |
| 21:23.07 | Gat-man | guys, please help me. |
| 21:23.15 | karsten | abrotman: Mind your manners, even if he is. |
| 21:23.20 | abrotman | is not? |
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| 21:23.24 | abrotman | oh .. both :) |
| 21:23.30 | Grapsus | Enverex, are you sure it works with another distro ?which module does it use ? |
| 21:23.31 | Enverex | This is weird, it's like... inverted world |
| 21:23.37 | rgsteele | Gat-man: chmod a+w file |
| 21:23.41 | abrotman | mik3: do you even like your job ? |
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| 21:23.53 | Enverex | Grapsus, No idea what module it used and yeah, it worked with Ubuntu |
| 21:23.56 | karsten | Gat-man: You do _not_ want your apache webroot world-writeable. You *really* *really* don't. |
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| 21:24.12 | Gat-man | why not? |
| 21:24.20 | Quintin | How can I view the list of files in a .torrent from the command line? |
| 21:24.22 | Gat-man | I just want to edit stuff without using terminal |
| 21:24.26 | abrotman | Gat-man: the security implications are bad and numerious |
| 21:24.28 | karsten | Gat-man: If you describe why you _think_ you wan't that to happen, we might be able to suggest something more reasonable. |
| 21:24.34 | hunterp | i'm using a server as a workstation (it has crap video card). and x.org is taking 100% cpu. is there a way i can let x.org take more memory to try to speed it? |
| 21:24.48 | mik3 | abrotman : i hate my job |
| 21:24.55 | karsten | Gat-man: Um, because it's a world-wide web, and, well, the entire world can then write to your webroot, putting all sorts of interesting stuff there. |
| 21:24.58 | Quintin | hunterp: is X reniced to -15 ? |
| 21:24.58 | Gat-man | I am not fimiliar with terminal, I just simply want to click the icons and work :) |
| 21:24.59 | abrotman | mik3: ah .. okay .. then keep MUDing :) |
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| 21:25.11 | anapivirtua | Hi world |
| 21:25.17 | mik3 | abrotman : i work for a WISP waiting to be bought out and they won't fire me so I can collect unemployment whilst finding a job |
| 21:25.19 | Gat-man | Karsten, how exactly are they gonna do that? |
| 21:25.23 | hunterp | Quintin: no, its 0. where can i set it so thats its always -15 |
| 21:25.35 | karsten | Gat-man: Security holes, poorly implemented SW, etc. |
| 21:25.41 | Quintin | hunterp: setting it to -15 is actually rather a poor idea that used to be done in debian |
| 21:25.46 | abrotman | mik3: at least you're getting a check .. you could look for a job instead of playing games ... |
| 21:25.57 | abrotman | mik3: if you're going to break policy .. at least do something useful i suppose |
| 21:26.03 | Quintin | karsten: how exactly would someone do that? :p |
| 21:26.05 | abrotman | why am i advocating this ... |
| 21:26.06 | pickcoder | Gat-man: I had a locked down web server once that got rooted by a hacker due to an OpenSSL exploit |
| 21:26.08 | Quintin | mik3: if you mud.. use kbtin |
| 21:26.08 | Gat-man | I have a pastebin to run, so I think that it's neccasiry. |
| 21:26.14 | mik3 | abrotman: oh i still send out a few resumes a day among my duties at work too |
| 21:26.14 | AlanHaggai | Which software handles incoming email? |
| 21:26.16 | hunterp | Quintin: any other recomendations? |
| 21:26.20 | mik3 | Quintin: powwow > * |
| 21:26.28 | Quintin | mik3: diaf |
| 21:26.28 | abrotman | AlanHaggai: if you don't konw .. probably exim |
| 21:26.32 | mik3 | no u |
| 21:26.34 | karsten | Quintin: http://www.securityfocus.com/vulnerabilities |
| 21:26.38 | karsten | Quintin: Start reading. |
| 21:26.41 | AlanHaggai | abrotman, ok. |
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| 21:27.02 | Gat-man | people CAN control content on the web root via a script, right? |
| 21:27.07 | Gat-man | like a script that I wrote |
| 21:27.16 | Quintin | karsten: no, tell me *exactly* how if /var/www is 777 you can write to it from a machine across the internets |
| 21:27.21 | a1fa | cingular internet+vpn = sucks |
| 21:27.49 | karsten | Gat-man: If *YOU* need write access to webroot then either learn sudo or add yourself to a group with write permissions, and set _group_ writeable. |
| 21:27.50 | abrotman | Quintin: overflow in PHP |
| 21:28.07 | magic_user | how does firefox& differ from firefox&& ? |
| 21:28.12 | abrotman | ? |
| 21:28.22 | karsten | Quintin: Um, dude, why the fuck is it _my_ job to do specific vulnerability analysis on his webserver? Principle of least privilege. |
| 21:28.24 | Gat-man | karsten, how do I "add my self to a group with write permission"? |
| 21:28.33 | Gat-man | that's all I really need :) |
| 21:28.34 | karsten | Gat-man: man adduser |
| 21:28.42 | Quintin | karsten: you're saying anyone can write something there. I'm asking how. that's all. |
| 21:28.46 | abrotman | i just told you |
| 21:28.50 | karsten | Gat-man: Yeah, that's why I told you the answer to your first question was "don't". |
| 21:28.52 | Gat-man | karsten: what's 'man'? |
| 21:28.53 | magic_user | usermod -g group1,group2 user |
| 21:28.56 | karsten | Quintin: And I told you were to look. |
| 21:28.57 | karsten | !man |
| 21:28.57 | dpkg | [man] a little guy that knows everything about linux... just do man <commandname> and he will teach you all about <commandname>,a Municipal Area Network (city), or check ASD @ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/asd/ |
| 21:28.59 | magic_user | stuff liek that shouod work |
| 21:29.10 | magic_user | lol |
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| 21:29.13 | irule | is there a newer kernel than linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686? |
| 21:29.20 | magic_user | not in stable |
| 21:29.26 | karsten | Quintin: The web's full of vulns. Point being: if you don't have damned good reasons for giving world-write access to something, don't. |
| 21:29.26 | irule | oh ok thanks |
| 21:29.29 | karsten | !kernel |
| 21:29.30 | magic_user | but there is some kinda security update |
| 21:29.30 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.21.5, prepatch: 2.6.22-rc6, 2.4: 2.4.34.5, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre5, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.22-rc4-mm2 |
| 21:29.42 | karsten | irule: ^^ |
| 21:29.47 | Quintin | karsten: I'm already aware of that. You're missing my point, but forget it. |
| 21:30.07 | abrotman | irule: not in stable |
| 21:30.12 | karsten | Quintin: No, you're missing mine. |
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| 21:30.18 | Quintin | karsten: No, I'm not. |
| 21:30.23 | szymon_ | hi |
| 21:30.29 | Quintin | hi2u |
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| 21:30.46 | Gat-man | guys, my username is "gman" I want to have full write permission, can you please tell me the command :)? |
| 21:30.57 | karsten | Quintin: If you really want to hash out apache security issues I'd recommend #apache. I'm a generalist, not a specialist. |
| 21:31.03 | karsten | Gat-man: man adduser. |
| 21:31.11 | karsten | Gat-man: ... and in general, learn how to use Linux. |
| 21:31.20 | irule | so how can I change my sources.list so that I can try one of those? the 2.6.18-4 POS breaks my lan card |
| 21:31.24 | Gat-man | it's 205 lines long :( |
| 21:31.29 | Gat-man | can't I just have the command? |
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| 21:31.33 | Gat-man | please |
| 21:31.42 | szymon_ | ekhm.... how stable is debian-unstable? is it stable enough for desktop? |
| 21:31.43 | karsten | !handholding |
| 21:31.43 | dpkg | i guess handholding is something that the people here are *not* going to do for you. |
| 21:31.51 | karsten | szymon_: Not if you have to ask. |
| 21:31.52 | irule | so I am stuck with 2.6.8-2-686 from sarge |
| 21:31.53 | Enverex | !rtfm |
| 21:31.53 | dpkg | well, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 21:31.59 | karsten | !sid |
| 21:32.00 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 21:32.06 | abrotman | irule: firstly .. it should be 2.6.8-3-686 from sarge |
| 21:32.07 | karsten | szymon_: ^^ |
| 21:32.15 | abrotman | irule: secondly .. how did it break it ? |
| 21:32.20 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 21:32.20 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
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| 21:32.32 | nooneelse | some one here uses jailkit ? |
| 21:32.36 | Quintin | Gat-man: man chmod |
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| 21:32.47 | abrotman | Quintin: jeez .. stop it |
| 21:32.49 | Quintin | Gat-man: man chown |
| 21:32.51 | nooneelse | I've seted up a jailkit instalation but when I try to log by sftp it asks the password but even with the right pass it returns connection closed! What this could be ? |
| 21:33.00 | abrotman | Quintin: you're telling him how to fuck up his box |
| 21:33.23 | Quintin | nooneelse: checked /var/log ? |
| 21:33.24 | karsten | abrotman: Not if he chmods g+w. |
| 21:33.27 | Quintin | abrotman: not sure how |
| 21:33.28 | nooneelse | Quintin yes |
| 21:33.30 | karsten | abrotman: 777 would be stupid. |
| 21:33.32 | nooneelse | Quintin no error |
| 21:33.36 | abrotman | karsten: would you like to take a guess how it will be done ? |
| 21:33.45 | irule | abrotman lspci shows the nic and I can configure it but there is a network error complaining that it sent a packet and never returned |
| 21:33.55 | irule | nobody from lan can see it |
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| 21:34.01 | AlanHaggai | I am having error while apt-get is used. |
| 21:34.01 | nooneelse | Quintin Jun 25 18:29:58 srvftp jk_chrootsh[5404]: now entering jail /home/jail for user certi (1000) |
| 21:34.09 | karsten | abrotman: Sure. Odds of your collecting on me from PA to CA are low ;-) |
| 21:34.09 | irule | and it works wonders with other kernels |
| 21:34.10 | th0ger_ifa | Hi. Many of my packages are currently broken and i need some help to fix them (since i have no access to google atm). 'aptitude install libc6' returns 'Failed to fetch http...locales_2.3.6.ds1_13_all.deb: MD5Sum mismatch' how can i correct this??? |
| 21:34.11 | AlanHaggai | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 21:34.42 | karsten | th0ger_ifa: aptitude update, possibly find a different mirror, it appears yours may be broken. /msg dpkg mirror |
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| 21:35.25 | Quintin | Gat-man: look at this page : http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html |
| 21:35.31 | AlanHaggai | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) is occuring everytime I use apt-get. |
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| 21:35.57 | th0ger_ifa | karsten: my current kernel is 2.4. I dont know if this is the problem? |
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| 21:36.59 | karsten | th0ger_ifa: Almost certainly unrelated. |
| 21:37.19 | karsten | AlanHaggai: That would suck. |
| 21:37.32 | AlanHaggai | karsten, How to totally uninstall a package? |
| 21:37.35 | AlanHaggai | :( |
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| 21:38.01 | th0ger_ifa | AlanHaggai: apt-get purge package |
| 21:38.24 | frank | uninstalling libc isn't such a good idea |
| 21:38.26 | AlanHaggai | th0ger_ifa, invalid operation it says. |
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| 21:38.50 | frank | apt-get --purge remove package |
| 21:38.54 | frank | aptitude purge package |
| 21:38.57 | irule | AlanHaggai use checkinstall to install in the first place, it will create a nice deb and the program will appear installable from synaptic as another program in the chekinstall group, so unchecking the little box and pressing on apply is all there is to it |
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| 21:39.08 | karsten | AlanHaggai: 1: I'm at work and have limited bandwidth to help you, brief pointers are the most you're going to get. 2: in general, getting more information about the specific failure, and posting it (/msg dpkg pastebin) is going to be your best bet. |
| 21:39.28 | th0ger_ifa | AlanHaggai: what frank said |
| 21:39.30 | CalJohn | is it possible to just switch the etch to sid in /etc/apt/sources.list and use sid? I know obviously, it is not advised, but is it actually possible? |
| 21:39.44 | tossebear | just did an etch install (very clean one) and found i have no masquerade support in netfilter.. how to fix? |
| 21:39.44 | karsten | AlanHaggai: 'bash -x' on install / remove scripts (/var/lib/dpkg/info/<packagename>) can help you sort issues. |
| 21:40.06 | AlanHaggai | Thank you all, I will try them. |
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| 21:40.34 | karsten | tossebear: aptitude install iptables |
| 21:40.37 | Quintin | CalJohn: yes |
| 21:40.45 | stew | CalJohn: yes, it's possible to "upgrade" from etch to sid, but the general advice is: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 21:40.50 | karsten | tossebear: You'll almost certainly want an iptables front-end. apt-cache search iptables |
| 21:41.03 | th0ger_ifa | karsten: do you have some arbitrary mirror i can use in my sources.list |
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| 21:41.33 | karsten | th0ger_ifa: /msg dpkg mirrors; apt-cache show apt-spy |
| 21:41.43 | karsten | th0ger_ifa: Or in other words: no |
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| 21:42.19 | jakub_ | hu |
| 21:42.27 | obnauticus | does anyone here know the aptitude package name for php-gd? |
| 21:42.40 | karsten | !search |
| 21:42.40 | dpkg | it has been said that search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see ... |
| 21:42.43 | obnauticus | karsten i tried that |
| 21:42.45 | tossebear | karsten: im fine with just iptables.. :) |
| 21:42.50 | obnauticus | im dumb..but i ain't that dumb |
| 21:42.50 | obnauticus | lol. |
| 21:43.15 | karsten | obnauticus: Well, you can search again, or I can do it for you. Guess which I prefer? |
| 21:43.22 | Grapsus | Enverex, I don't knowmaybe Ubuntu tricks the ACPI with fake OS version string, for exemple in grub brightness keys are working cause BIOS is handeling it... |
| 21:43.31 | RainCT | How much does a package take to appear on mentors.debian.org? On the page it says you'll receive a mail after 1 minute and I've waited now over 15 neither received a mail nor see it on the web |
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| 21:43.41 | obnauticus | karsten i searched for php-gd...nothing searched for php and greped "-gd" |
| 21:43.42 | obnauticus | nothing |
| 21:43.55 | karsten | obnauticus: Perhaps that's your answer then. |
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| 21:44.26 | obnauticus | nevermind got it |
| 21:44.41 | th0ger_ifa | karsten: sorry i left. Can i get you main sources.list mirror? |
| 21:44.52 | karsten | th0ger_ifa: /msg dpkg mirrors; apt-cache show apt-spy |
| 21:45.31 | th0ger_ifa | karsten: my X is dead and i hate lynx etc... |
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| 21:45.50 | AlanHaggai | This is the apt-get problem: http://pastebin.ca/589261 |
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| 21:46.12 | nweaver916 | hey guys, having a networking issue |
| 21:46.40 | dromer | mountain: you around? I'd like to try your method of fixing grub on my hopeless laptop :D |
| 21:46.41 | nweaver916 | I have an Intel gig adapter (PCI) linking to a Cisco 3508 (gig only) and I think I'm having speed duplex issues (loosing 50% of pings between the two) |
| 21:46.54 | karsten | th0ger_ifa: w3m rawks. |
| 21:47.17 | nweaver916 | I set eth1 to no autoneg off, but it doesn't take effect (ethtool -s eth1 autoneg off speed 100 duplex full) |
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| 21:47.27 | th0ger_ifa | karsten: I dont like w3m. And i cant install apt-spy, because of my mirror problem |
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| 21:48.36 | karsten | th0ger_ifa: There's a slew of console-mode browsers, one of which should be acceptable to you. Sounds like a personal problem. |
| 21:48.53 | mountain | dromer: Still here, so err right where to begin ;p Delete your swap partition, recreate it as a primary bootable fat partition. Need a hand doing that? |
| 21:49.23 | th0ger_ifa | karsten: it, may be... |
| 21:49.49 | dromer | fat32? |
| 21:49.53 | dromer | mountain: ^ |
| 21:49.59 | dromer | just did it |
| 21:50.03 | h3sp4wn | th0ger_ifa: get it from telnet - tarzeau's thing - telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 21:50.10 | mountain | dromer: pretty sure any ol' fat should do the trick. |
| 21:50.15 | h3sp4wn | th0ger_ifa: swap sid with whatever dist you want |
| 21:50.27 | dromer | mountain: ok, I could also do fat16 |
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| 21:51.02 | mountain | dromer: right, now make a fat partition on it (fat16/32 shouldn't really be an issue (I hope)) |
| 21:51.11 | nweaver916 | anyone here good with ethtool? |
| 21:51.49 | mountain | dromer: mkfs.vfat /dev/whatever should do the trick |
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| 21:52.16 | th0ger_ifa | h3sp4wn: thanks |
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| 21:53.56 | dromer | mountain: then I use syslinux? |
| 21:54.05 | mountain | dromer: yup |
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| 21:54.22 | mountain | dromer: now, I try and figure out how syslinux works again.. ;p |
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| 21:54.52 | dromer | haha |
| 21:54.54 | mountain | dromer: but at this stage would pay just to swap it back into the laptop, and see if this part works |
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| 21:55.00 | stew | or just install grub |
| 21:55.16 | dromer | mountain: yeah, syslinux /dev/sda3 ? |
| 21:55.38 | mountain | dromer: should do the trick |
| 21:55.46 | zoidy | how do I see which RAID I have? |
| 21:56.02 | Quintin | zoidy: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 21:56.12 | Supaplex | spray it on different kinds of bugs, see which die first. ;) |
| 21:56.22 | zoidy | Quintin: thanks |
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| 21:56.41 | dromer | mountain: ok, and I need to put a kernel in it or something? |
| 21:57.09 | th0ger_ifa | karsten: Switching mirror worked. This was not the first time dotsrc.org was broken... |
| 21:57.30 | nweaver916 | ethtool...anyone? anyone? Bueller? |
| 21:57.43 | dromer | mountain: or just install, and boot? |
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| 21:58.00 | dromer | mountain: btw, do I need to set a bootflag for this partition then I suppose ? |
| 21:58.13 | mountain | dromer: sorry, was mid-manpage. yeah, needs the boot flag set. |
| 21:58.18 | dromer | ok |
| 21:59.02 | Michael_K | hey guys does autopackage conflicts with the package manager of debian linux |
| 21:59.05 | mountain | dromer: yeah, mount /dev/sda3 /somewhere, and copy the kernel (of the target system) to /somewhere/LINUX |
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| 21:59.31 | karsten | th0ger_ifa: Yeah, some mirrors are more reliable than others. Unfortunately ftp.us.debian.org tends to break a lot, and I've had to cast around for others myself. |
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| 21:59.51 | mountain | dromer: Which won't actually do anything exciting at this stage. |
| 22:00.00 | dromer | mountain: ok thanks, which kernel-files shoud I look for? |
| 22:01.03 | dromer | btw, I was trying to install a different kernel on the system: 2.4.18 something, also kernel module for pcmcia (though it would be handy for the laptop) |
| 22:01.11 | dromer | thought* |
| 22:01.21 | mountain | dromer: just /boot/vmlinuz-*whatever version* (err, /boot relative to the target system) |
| 22:02.19 | th0ger_ifa | karsten: so an md5sum error is typically a broken mirror or what? Is is nice to know in the future if it is the mirror or me that is broken. |
| 22:02.48 | karsten | th0ger_ifa: Yeah, that's my read. |
| 22:02.59 | mountain | dromer: All cool so far? Thrown it in laptop to see if explodes^H^H^works? |
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| 22:03.37 | th0ger_ifa | karsten: okay, thanks for the hints then |
| 22:04.06 | Xik0 | hello, how can i set python2.5 as default for install some application? |
| 22:04.22 | dromer | mountain: haha wait, I thought there was a mistake with /oldswap/LINUX int showed as linux, but probably because of being fat :) |
| 22:04.28 | wfq | by installing w32codes is it possible to listen to some music web sites where ask you for having windows media player? |
| 22:04.43 | karsten | wfq: Yes, in general. |
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| 22:05.37 | mountain | dromer: Oh yeah, not case sensitive. |
| 22:05.41 | wfq | but the question is how do you link your w32codecss to any application able to play this web site's music? |
| 22:05.44 | dromer | mountain: :) |
| 22:05.46 | Xik0 | anyone? |
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| 22:06.05 | wfq | I mean, i have already done it, but i have to tell my browser what app to use when the case presents |
| 22:06.15 | karsten | Xik0: man update-alternatives (systemwide). /join #python otherwise. |
| 22:06.33 | dromer | mountain: wth, it's beeping again :S |
| 22:06.40 | nweaver916 | wfq: I use mplayer, and as long as you have the w32codecs installed it seems to work (although I've not explicitly tried playing web based wma/wmv) |
| 22:07.05 | dromer | mountain: but I'm not getting the startupscreen either (ram-check etc.) |
| 22:07.14 | nweaver916 | and you need the mplayer firfox plugin (or mozilla, not sure which it's called) |
| 22:07.27 | python_ | in samba ( no one is in the samba room is responding :( ) does anyone know how to change a groupmap rid? i need my domain admins to have an rid of *-512 and it is set to *-1001 |
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| 22:07.51 | mountain | dromer: Hrm, it give startup without the hdd? |
| 22:08.07 | wfq | that is the point where i want to go. I know i could play any wma by using any stand alone app like that, but what about this kind of web sites that ask you for: click here to install plugin |
| 22:08.32 | karsten | wfq: I usually either look for a d/l link for the media in question, or pass that site on. |
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| 22:08.39 | wfq | I mean, does mplayer pluging to be run in browsers as adobe for example |
| 22:08.41 | nweaver916 | wfq: install the mozilla or firefox extension for mplayer |
| 22:08.51 | wfq | ok |
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| 22:09.06 | nweaver916 | wfq: yes, it's a seperate package from mplayer, and then it can do it |
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| 22:09.14 | dromer | mountain: maybe I have been playing too much with it :( |
| 22:09.17 | GrogDealer | hi |
| 22:09.21 | dromer | mountain: it totally broke down |
| 22:09.30 | wfq | ok, thank you very much. i got it now |
| 22:09.37 | GrogDealer | I have a problem with my dvdwriter and Id like to paste it on a forum? Where can I go? |
| 22:09.38 | dromer | mountain: before at least I could get into boot |
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| 22:09.45 | karsten | wfq: Flash is becoming the de-facto multimedia standard thanks to YouTube and such, Mozilla / Firefox will handle a bunch of stuff, my browser (Konqueror) does as well, but there's enough random crap out there that I find a fair bit of stuff just fails to play. |
| 22:09.48 | dromer | aah bth, I see grub now .. |
| 22:10.06 | nunu_ | hi, is there a reason that nexuiz got removed in unstable ? :'( |
| 22:10.09 | dromer | mountain: I think the screen broke or something .. anyway ... |
| 22:10.17 | dromer | lemme see if I can get it to boot something :P |
| 22:10.29 | GrogDealer | nunu, I think its very addictive |
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| 22:10.52 | stew | !info nexuiz unstable |
| 22:10.58 | dpkg | nexuiz: (A fast-paced 3D first-person shooter), section games, is optional. Version: 2.3-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 645 kB, Installed size: 1552 kB |
| 22:10.58 | nunu_ | addictive ? |
| 22:11.05 | stew | nunu_: it was not removed |
| 22:11.05 | nunu_ | what does that mean ? ^^ |
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| 22:11.10 | nunu_ | no ? |
| 22:11.11 | mountain | dromer: If you can see grub, see if you have luck that way ;p Otherwise, need to get rid of grub from mbr to use syslinux. |
| 22:11.29 | nunu_ | doing a dist-upgrade says it gets removed when doing it |
| 22:11.42 | stew | nunu_: no, and it looks like a new version was uploaded recently: http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nexuiz.html |
| 22:12.04 | stew | nunu_: something it depends on is being removed probably |
| 22:12.16 | nunu_ | so its just a matter of time 'till I can reinstall it ? |
| 22:12.30 | GrogDealer | nunu_, like drugs, you cant stop playing |
| 22:12.35 | dromer | mountain: it's really weird, it just beeps very heavily (maybe because of the bootflag? i dunno) then beeps again and starts grub |
| 22:12.42 | dromer | mountain: so I'm in grub now :P what do I do? |
| 22:12.44 | stew | nunu_: no, you should be able to have it installed now. /msg dpkg bat |
| 22:13.16 | nunu_ | a yes it is GrogDealer |
| 22:13.25 | wfq | Karsten, but anyway flash should work on w32codecs, I mean you need to have installed w32codecs as this one is only a plugin for browsers |
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| 22:14.10 | mountain | dromer: If there's options on the menu, select the kernely one and cross your fingers ;p Otherwise, drop to the grub console 'c' (I think) and throw some commands at it |
| 22:14.23 | dromer | mountain: I don't get the menu, just the grub prompt |
| 22:14.34 | karsten | wfq: Flash wouldn't require w32codecs. Just the Flash plugin for your browser. |
| 22:14.52 | FarrisG | I've got about 25Mbps flowing from port 49954 to port 796 between two of our compute servers. Netstat isn't helping much. How do I figure out what the hell this is? |
| 22:15.10 | smacnay | hmm, tetex has been broken for a long time in testing - is there a way to get it installed and running? |
| 22:15.16 | mountain | dromer: Hrm, ok. What was your / partition? |
| 22:15.17 | Azar | FarrisG: see which process is kicking hardest |
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| 22:15.43 | dromer | mountain: of the original kernel? sda2 |
| 22:15.51 | dromer | so I guess hda2 ? |
| 22:15.59 | GrogDealer | which is better? linuxforum.com, linuxforums.org or linuxquestions.org? |
| 22:16.05 | mountain | dromer: ok, try: root (hd0,1) |
| 22:16.22 | FarrisG | Azar: There are several, but nothing's really tagging it |
| 22:16.38 | dromer | mountain: and then? |
| 22:17.01 | nunu_ | stew, i pasted the output of apt in the paste.debian.net |
| 22:17.06 | nunu_ | but got no link oO |
| 22:17.06 | mountain | dromer: Then: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-<press tab> |
| 22:17.08 | Azar | FarrisG: I would assume there is one of them that is having a legit or not so legit conversation around... |
| 22:17.36 | Azar | you just have to take them one by one and find the offender |
| 22:17.39 | mountain | dromer: Hopefully it'll tab complete it for you.. |
| 22:17.49 | nunu_ | I named it "nexuiz uninstall ?" |
| 22:17.55 | FarrisG | lockd is going nuts as always, but there's no NFS between these two hosts |
| 22:17.55 | dromer | mountain: yes it does :) slowly, but it does :) |
| 22:17.58 | stew | nunu_: i don't see it |
| 22:18.07 | dromer | mountain: and then? ^_^ |
| 22:18.22 | nunu_ | now =) |
| 22:18.25 | mountain | dromer: type: boot ;p (And hope you don't actually need that initrd thingo..) |
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| 22:18.41 | nunu_ | pushed the wrong button ^^ |
| 22:19.26 | dromer | mountain: aarg: kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 3a:05 << is that the vfat? |
| 22:19.36 | stew | nunu_: so its being removed because libcurl4 is being removed |
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| 22:20.35 | __wfq | it does not work very nice. Now I can see in both mozilla and mozilla-firefox the player and a message saying connected (buffering...) but it does not work |
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| 22:20.36 | nunu_ | and I could directly reinstall it after that upgrade ? |
| 22:20.46 | __wfq | oh, it works |
| 22:20.52 | mountain | dromer: Eek, hrm shouldn't be. Those numbers mean something, now if I can just find a translation into something understandable. |
| 22:20.58 | stew | nunu_: probably, but there is no reason to let it remove it if you don't want it to be removed |
| 22:21.03 | dromer | mountain: haha, yeah that would be nice .. |
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| 22:21.25 | Azar | FarrisG: try looking at some logs in /var/log/.. |
| 22:21.28 | stew | nunu_: and I'd reocmmend using aptitude instead of apt-get which is better in these situations |
| 22:21.37 | Azar | !beer stew |
| 22:21.41 | nunu_ | I like apt =) |
| 22:21.52 | Azar | yay someone here promotes aptitude |
| 22:21.52 | mountain | dromer: Could try again; root (hd0,1); kernel /boot/vmlinuz-etc root=/dev/hda2 |
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| 22:22.11 | __wfq | well, it works bad but at least works. Too much breaking-up points |
| 22:22.44 | mountain | dromer: Oh and boot, after that. (and if that fails try with /dev/sda2) |
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| 22:22.59 | h3sp4wn | I would still be interested in an objective comparison between apt (0.7.x) and aptitude (which I personally use) anyone know if one exists |
| 22:23.01 | dromer | man that beeping is soo anoying :S |
| 22:23.07 | dromer | I wish I knew what it was :S |
| 22:23.42 | dondelelcaro | h3sp4wn: as far as I know, no one has really bothered to write one; you're pretty much better off using aptitude though. |
| 22:23.45 | dromer | mountain: btw; the first partition is only a couple mb large without a filesystem |
| 22:24.14 | h3sp4wn | dondelelcaro: Thanks |
| 22:24.46 | Roey | hi |
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| 22:25.22 | Azar | hey, pssss ! news from Debconf! http://www.linux.com/feature/115188 |
| 22:25.28 | dromer | mountain: shouldn't it be root=/ ? |
| 22:25.31 | Roey | anyone here have problems with with Debian-amd64/sid in KHTML (that's konqueror) and Amarok? Amarok has dependency issues on libcurl, and KHTML doesn't render yahoo.com e-mails for some reason. Anyone get that, too? |
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| 22:25.46 | h3sp4wn | dondelelcaro: even with sid ? (There is FUD floating around to never use aptitude with sid - but I have not had problems being sensible) |
| 22:25.54 | dondelelcaro | h3sp4wn: even with sid |
| 22:26.02 | mountain | dromer: Nah, you're telling the kernel what device is going to be the root filesystem. |
| 22:26.03 | h3sp4wn | dondelelcaro: thought so |
| 22:26.10 | dondelelcaro | h3sp4wn: in fact, that's the place where you see its features most |
| 22:26.15 | dromer | mountain: well that's / isn't it? |
| 22:26.30 | __wfq | one thing, flashplugin for debian is non free so I would need to download and compile it, wouldn't I? |
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| 22:26.52 | dromer | mountain: it was /dev/sda2 on my desktop |
| 22:27.06 | mountain | dromer: Oh yes, it will be /, but it has to find the device before it can mount it. |
| 22:27.41 | dromer | mountain: the device is a hd not sd, it's IDE on the laptop, on my desktop it w's on usb/sd |
| 22:27.47 | Enverex | Azar, Can you Cliff notes that? |
| 22:27.54 | mountain | dromer: I'm sorta assuming it's an old laptop, so will just have a standardish ide controller. Whereas on your desktop you were accessing it as a usb mass storage device. |
| 22:28.18 | mountain | (or at least that's what I remember..) |
| 22:29.01 | dromer | mountain: ok, but it's not getting root=/dev/sda2 (or hda for that matter) |
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| 22:30.13 | mountain | dromer: root (hd0,1); kernel /boot/vmlinuz-<version> root=/dev/{hs}da2; boot; (where ; is enter) gives the same error as before? |
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| 22:31.15 | Azar | Enverex: I did not understand your question |
| 22:31.24 | Enverex | Azar, From that URL |
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| 22:31.57 | Azar | Enverex: eh not much.... for the public.. just for the active developers... nothing out of ordinary |
| 22:32.49 | dromer | mountain: I get a Error 11: Unrecognized device string when I trie either |
| 22:32.56 | Azar | like... next month Etch could get a new kernel .. |
| 22:33.29 | mountain | dromer: from grub or the kernel? hrm. |
| 22:34.03 | dromer | mountain: from grub, there are no /dev/hda or sda |
| 22:35.03 | python_ | can anyone tell me is there a way to change the sid of a group in samba?, i need to make "Domain Admins" -512 it auto makes it -1001 ? |
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| 22:35.54 | python_ | there has been no one talking in the #samba room for 10 minutes and i cant find anything on google about it |
| 22:35.54 | mountain | dromer: Odd, pretty sure grub should just pass that unchanged to the kernel. |
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| 22:39.53 | drwahl_ | i am getting some funny errors showing up in dmesg. namely "attempt to access beyond end of device" |
| 22:40.05 | drwahl_ | is this because hda is ntfs |
| 22:40.06 | drwahl_ | ? |
| 22:40.10 | peterS | drwahl_: are you trying to copy CDs or anything? |
| 22:40.21 | peterS | drwahl_: (that's a common reason for this error) |
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| 22:40.48 | drwahl_ | peterS: nah, its during boot, and its complaining about hda |
| 22:40.50 | peterS | drwahl_: it might be a bug in the kernel ntfs filesystem, sure. though I thought that filesystem was getting fairly solid, for what it does |
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| 22:41.24 | drwahl_ | hda: rw=0, want=156312450, limit=156301488 |
| 22:41.24 | drwahl_ | attempt to access beyond end of device |
| 22:41.26 | karsten | Any good tools for converting to/from CSV, HTML, excel spreadsheet format (last not absolutely necessary), say, for doing routine SQL queries and dumping to some web location? |
| 22:41.32 | drwahl_ | i just get tons of lines of that while booting |
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| 22:41.49 | karsten | drwahl_: Sounds like your filesystem is sized larger than your partition? |
| 22:41.57 | Pc_Dark | Please message me if someone'd like to buy me a Microsoft Surface |
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| 22:42.37 | peterS | Pc_Dark: this channel is not for advertisements or solicitations, please take it elsewhere |
| 22:42.48 | Pc_Dark | sorry woops |
| 22:42.49 | drwahl_ | karsten: possible, is this anything that is known about vista? i guess i should mention that vista is installed on hda, but hda isnt in fstab |
| 22:42.55 | amphi | Pc_Dark: it's just a sort of bathtub - you could easily knock up your own |
| 22:43.08 | mountain__ | dromer: Getting anywhere? |
| 22:43.11 | karsten | drwahl_: Windows does tend to mess up partition sizes, yes. |
| 22:43.22 | dromer | mountain__: stil thinking on what to do about root |
| 22:43.28 | drwahl_ | karsten: ok, well, it sounds like its nothing i need to worry about anyhow |
| 22:43.43 | Pc_Dark | A bathtub amphi? :/ |
| 22:44.00 | mountain__ | dromer: What's the exact "kernel ... " command you gave grub that it complained about? |
| 22:44.05 | peterS | amphi: are you referring to the old quote from Anonymous Coward of Slashdot? "Windows never had any potential for soundness or beauty. If you decide to build a motorcycle, and you start with a bathtub, no good will ever come of it." |
| 22:44.26 | dromer | mountain__: root=dev/hda2 or sda2 or hd<tab> |
| 22:44.28 | dromer | can't find it |
| 22:44.30 | peterS | I love that one, even though it is offtopic here |
| 22:45.04 | mountain | dromer: Oh yeah, it won't tab complete that bit :) |
| 22:45.14 | dromer | uhuh |
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| 22:47.18 | mountain | dromer: just kernel /boot/vmliunuz-<tab> root=/dev/hda2; then boot, and see what happens. |
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| 22:47.49 | dromer | mountain: when I root=/dev/hda2 I get that Error 11 |
| 22:48.04 | dromer | Unrecognized device string |
| 22:48.27 | mountain | dromer: This on the same line as kernel /boot/etc.. ? |
| 22:48.34 | dromer | then when I boot: Kernel panic unable to mount root fs on 3a:05 |
| 22:48.43 | dromer | mountain: no line after |
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| 22:49.07 | blackbart | How do I get the wireless card on my Acer Aspire 5610 laptop working? It's an Intel 3945ABG |
| 22:49.10 | dromer | ha, beeping stopped :D |
| 22:49.14 | mountain | dromer: Ahh needs to be on the same line :) It's an option for the kernel. |
| 22:49.18 | dromer | ah ok |
| 22:50.33 | dromer | mountain: I can't do the root=/ after kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-386 I get Error 11 immediatly when I try |
| 22:51.54 | Enverex | What's wrong with file ${find /. | grep libGL.so.1.2} ? |
| 22:52.02 | mountain | dromer: Don't try and tab complete it, just type /dev/hda2 |
| 22:52.28 | dromer | mountain: nope, boot after that gives the kernel panic again |
| 22:52.57 | mountain | Enverex: What's it supposed to do? Do you mean $( ... ) |
| 22:53.04 | peterS | Enverex: nothing, except that 'locate libGL.so.1.2' is faster, and so probably is 'dpkg -S libGL.so.1.2' |
| 22:53.06 | Enverex | mountain, whoops |
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| 22:53.44 | peterS | oh yeah, $() instead of ${}, I see what your question was now. |
| 22:54.30 | cafuego | Enverex: it's wasteful, find / -name "*libGL.so.1.2*" |
| 22:55.16 | cafuego | piping into grep actually may also mean you don't get immediate results |
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| 22:55.26 | cafuego | anyway, it'll be in /usr/lib ;-) |
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| 22:55.46 | mountain | dromer: Hrm ok. How's about: root (hd0,2); kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-386; initrd /boot/initrd<tab>; boot; |
| 22:55.47 | h3sp4wn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.43 | dromer | mountain: (hd0,2) is the syslinux, it only has /linux/vmlinuz-* and just tried it :P (also misses root) |
| 22:57.01 | Enverex | Where are 32bit libraries put on x86_64 Debian Sid? |
| 22:57.17 | cafuego | Enverex: /lib32 |
| 22:57.21 | h3sp4wn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:57.37 | h3sp4wn | (symlinked to lib32) |
| 22:57.46 | dromer | mountain: ok, tried that on (hd0,1) and same kernel panic :( |
| 22:58.00 | cafuego | also /usr/lib32 (which may or may not be symlinked too) |
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| 22:58.04 | mountain | dromer: Oh right, (hd0,1).. Umm hrm. When it boots can you see any kernel messages relating to the hard drive? |
| 22:58.05 | Enverex | Why link emul when everyone would use lib32 anyway? |
| 22:58.30 | kritical | Does anyone know what kernel module is required for iptables SNAT and DNAT? |
| 22:58.41 | Enverex | Ah, it's the other way around |
| 22:58.42 | Enverex | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2007-06-21 17:08 lib32 -> /emul/ia32-linux/lib/ |
| 22:58.42 | h3sp4wn | That is what I said |
| 22:58.52 | stew | kritical: iptable_nat |
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| 22:59.12 | Enverex | h3sp4wn, You said emul was symlinked to that when it's the opposite way around |
| 22:59.39 | h3sp4wn | Ok that is what I ment |
| 22:59.55 | dromer | mountain: it starts at request_modure[block-major-58]: Root fs not mounted |
| 23:00.18 | dromer | mountain: then VFS: Cannot open root device "" or 3a:05 |
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| 23:01.54 | aprigio | help, my apt is lock. No probe dpkg --configure -a or apt-get -f install ...?? |
| 23:02.41 | kritical | stew: cheers =) |
| 23:02.46 | sussudio | %help aprigio |
| 23:02.57 | mountain | dromer: Nothing before that about the hard drive? |
| 23:03.06 | Enverex | Why does Thunderbird still not have an icon? |
| 23:03.09 | Enverex | Er, IceDove even |
| 23:03.14 | dromer | mountain: nope |
| 23:03.14 | aprigio | please, iu not install packages |
| 23:03.35 | aprigio | my apt is lock an pack openoffice... is broken |
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| 23:04.10 | aprigio | after command dpkg --configure -a or apt-get install -f, error continue |
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| 23:04.27 | mountain | dromer: Does loading the initrd give any more information before it stalls? |
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| 23:05.31 | dromer | mountain: not that I know of, lemme check |
| 23:05.49 | dromer | mountain: can,t make a screenshot of the boot :P maybe I shuold make a pic :P |
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| 23:06.41 | dromer | mountain: exactly the same |
| 23:07.27 | dromer | it just says: Please append a corect "root=" boot option, but I can't :/ |
| 23:07.43 | x_link | How can I put my CPU under some load? |
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| 23:08.11 | abrotman | x_link: apt-cache search cpu stress |
| 23:08.11 | Blackgoth | !u |
| 23:08.11 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:08.19 | x_link | abrotman: Okej |
| 23:08.31 | abrotman | x_link: i know cpuburn is one .. but i killed a computer with it once |
| 23:08.39 | abrotman | admittedly .. it was already flaky |
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| 23:09.12 | x_link | abrotman: I found cpuburn. |
| 23:09.26 | x_link | But no cpu sress |
| 23:09.30 | x_link | stress |
| 23:09.35 | Supaplex | how do I show connected nfs clients+shares like smbstatus does for smb? |
| 23:09.40 | abrotman | it's not called cpu stress .. that's just a way to search for similar programs |
| 23:09.48 | x_link | okej |
| 23:10.02 | Supaplex | abrotman: nice :P |
| 23:10.07 | x_link | abrotman: How do I start it? |
| 23:10.24 | abrotman | start what ? |
| 23:10.25 | Supaplex | x_link: dpkg -L cpuburn ; see man pages. |
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| 23:10.31 | mountain | dromer: Wait, so if you're passing root=/dev/hda2 to the kernel as an option.. It's coming up with "" as the device it can't mount? |
| 23:10.43 | x_link | abrotman: The test |
| 23:10.45 | x_link | Supaplex: Thanks! |
| 23:10.51 | abrotman | x_link: man cpuburn |
| 23:11.05 | dromer | mountain: no, the option is refused by grub I think, hence the Error 11 |
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| 23:11.26 | dromer | it won't accept the root=/dev/hda2 as a boot-option |
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| 23:11.42 | mountain | dromer: No it shouldn't be.. Err, it should. |
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| 23:13.38 | FuzzyB | what is a good dvd burning replacement for cdrecord that will allow me to burn dvds from the command line? |
| 23:13.49 | abrotman | why not cdrecord ? |
| 23:13.56 | x_link | Supaplex: Hmm, the man page didn't say anything about how to load cpuburn. |
| 23:14.01 | stew | dromer: are you trying to boot a debian kernel or a custom kernel? |
| 23:14.01 | x_link | Just who wrote it and what it does. |
| 23:14.03 | Supaplex | Why does the nfs client not see the files on the server? http://rafb.net/p/UoBaQO15.html It was working a few weeks ago. |
| 23:14.04 | FuzzyB | cdrecord doesn't support dvd's |
| 23:14.09 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:14.09 | mountain | dromer: http://rafb.net/p/ywiQsq20.html <- this is the commands you're giving grub? |
| 23:14.14 | dromer | stew: debian kernel |
| 23:14.21 | abrotman | FuzzyB: are you sure .. that seems a bit odd |
| 23:14.40 | dromer | mountain: yes, and it fails on the root= |
| 23:14.47 | stew | dromer: if you created the initrd while the hard drive was mounted via usb, the initrd creator wouldn't have included the ide modules that you need to mount it now unless you explicitly told it to |
| 23:14.48 | abrotman | !wodim |
| 23:14.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wodim is a DFSG compliant fork of cdrecord. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ about the release notice. |
| 23:14.57 | dromer | stew: somehow I got the pc to start grub :D |
| 23:15.00 | abrotman | FuzzyB: and man wodim says it does DVDs |
| 23:15.10 | FuzzyB | well wodim may be what i need |
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| 23:15.23 | FuzzyB | but cdrecord just borked saying that it wasn't going to burn it because the dvd code wasn't there |
| 23:15.24 | dromer | stew: ok .. hmm, back to chrooting and messing with that? |
| 23:15.29 | stew | dromer: you probably want to edit /etc/initramfs-tools/modules to include the ide driver for your ide controller then rebuild the initrd |
| 23:15.37 | dromer | aah ok :) |
| 23:15.54 | Supaplex | FuzzyB: I don't trust wodim or cdrecord. check bts. I'd use growisofs for dvds. |
| 23:16.02 | mountain | stew: not even generic ide built in? |
| 23:16.08 | FuzzyB | bts eh |
| 23:16.31 | Supaplex | FuzzyB: bts is: /query dpkg bts |
| 23:16.34 | abrotman | Supaplex: have you seen bugs.debian.org/supaplex ? |
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| 23:17.02 | FuzzyB | kk |
| 23:17.04 | Supaplex | abrotman: there's no Supaplex package silly. :) |
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| 23:17.37 | abrotman | Supaplex: no one wants you on their system! |
| 23:17.37 | Supaplex | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=427771 is what I'm talking about. |
| 23:17.38 | stew | mountain: well it would make sense for the initrd creator to not include modules that were not needed, and it would explain him ending up with "please append a proper root=..." |
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| 23:18.00 | r_a_f | "bash: msg: command not found" |
| 23:18.07 | Supaplex | abrotman: hey, it's not my fault. if those $*@$( snick snacks would just stay away... |
| 23:18.21 | r_a_f | apt-get install msg ? |
| 23:18.27 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 23:18.40 | abrotman | r_a_f: what are you trying to do ? |
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| 23:19.41 | Supaplex | r_a_f: sure it's not mesg? |
| 23:19.51 | abrotman | stew: that's not the same raf is it ? |
| 23:19.59 | r_a_f | trying >>> msg dpkg etch |
| 23:20.04 | x_link | abrotman: For how long time should I run the program? |
| 23:20.07 | abrotman | r_a_f: in your irc client |
| 23:20.18 | abrotman | r_a_f: type in here ... "/msg dpkg etch" |
| 23:20.20 | Supaplex | r_a_f: try /msg :) and it's irc. |
| 23:20.35 | r_a_f | ahhh sry & thanks ;) |
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| 23:21.27 | dromer | stew: there is no /etc//initramfs-tools |
| 23:21.31 | dromer | -/ |
| 23:21.42 | abrotman | stew: obviously not the same raf :) |
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| 23:23.08 | Supaplex | haha. my nfs problem was a local readonly filesystem on / - so mtab didn't play nice... grrr! :-D |
| 23:23.49 | Supaplex | ewww... / looks major busticated. |
| 23:23.52 | python_ | can anyone tell me is there a way to change the sid of a group in samba?, i need to make "Domain Admins" -512 it auto makes it -1001 ? |
| 23:23.55 | jelly-home | df |
| 23:24.00 | dromer | stew: gah, sleeptime |
| 23:24.02 | jelly-home | err... |
| 23:24.10 | dromer | stew: nn, perhaps till tomorow ;) |
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| 23:24.14 | Pc_Dark | sorry slightly offtopic |
| 23:24.22 | Pc_Dark | how doyou make psybnc make ssl connections |
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| 23:24.55 | abrotman | python_: might get more help in #samba |
| 23:25.38 | python_ | i have been in that chanal for over a 1/2 an hour, only 3 people have talked in there and all where people with questions |
| 23:26.51 | Pc_Dark | Why? |
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| 23:27.03 | abrotman | python_: they are slow .. but i've gotten good help in there |
| 23:27.07 | Azar | Pc_Dark: because by now open source does not mean much anymore |
| 23:27.39 | python_ | im still in that room and waiting |
| 23:28.00 | python_ | i just figured seeing if anyone hear knew |
| 23:28.08 | python_ | but thanks for the tip |
| 23:29.00 | Supaplex | Azar: FOSS > Open Source |
| 23:29.11 | Azar | Supaplex: FOSS = real deal |
| 23:29.15 | Supaplex | yup |
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| 23:29.53 | Azar | Supaplex: so when you see someone coming here and stomping about proprietary drivers, just remind them debian is not open source |
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| 23:30.58 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 23:31.35 | h3sp4wn | Azar: proprietary is for the most part not even open source |
| 23:32.04 | blackbart | I made some changes to my sources.list and now apt-cache search is giving me errors. Could someone tell me what I've done wrong? I've pasted my /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-search error here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/43429 |
| 23:32.18 | Azar | h3sp4wn: you know, o.s. has become a marketing fashion now... it has become the laughter of the crooks |
| 23:32.39 | blackbart | Oh, the changes I made where in adding contrib and non-free (so I could download the various ipw3945 packages) |
| 23:33.20 | ben_goodger | does anyone know what to do with .pdb files? |
| 23:33.20 | h3sp4wn | Azar: well the (previously) most closed of the closed (Open Sound System) has just been GPL'ed |
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| 23:33.42 | abrotman | blackbart: apt-get update again |
| 23:33.48 | abrotman | ben_goodger: what is it ? |
| 23:34.04 | Supaplex | h3sp4wn: what was so closed before? besides java |
| 23:34.21 | blackbart | abrotman, awesome, thank you =) |
| 23:34.34 | h3sp4wn | Supaplex: Commercial OSS drivers |
| 23:34.40 | abrotman | ben_goodger: file <file> .. what does it say ? |
| 23:35.10 | Supaplex | h3sp4wn: which ones? How recent? If it's older than a year ago, then I guess I already know. |
| 23:35.20 | h3sp4wn | Supaplex: (well they were upto this point) |
| 23:35.56 | ben_goodger | aportisdoc |
| 23:35.59 | karmatronic | ben_goodger: visualize a molecule in 3-d |
| 23:36.00 | h3sp4wn | Supaplex: June 14, 2007 http://www.opensound.com/press/2007/oss-gpl-cddl.txt |
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| 23:36.06 | abrotman | ben_goodger: that's what it says ? |
| 23:36.13 | abrotman | or did you miss spaces ? |
| 23:36.36 | h3sp4wn | Supaplex: professional quality soundcards alsa does a useless job of keeping them working right - this will make things much better |
| 23:36.36 | n3kl | Can someone please recomend a good IDE to use with perl? |
| 23:36.40 | ben_goodger | abrotman: Pratchett, Terry - Discworld 19 - Feet of Clay_txt.PDB: AportisDoc file "Pratchett, Terry - Discworld20" |
| 23:36.50 | abrotman | karmatronic: not a 3d molecule :) |
| 23:36.52 | Azar | h3sp4wn: the way I see it a lot of linux distros are already tending to avoid keeping proprietary software away... as far as I see, only Debian fully complies |
| 23:37.03 | karmatronic | :_) |
| 23:37.17 | h3sp4wn | Azar: Fedora complies even more than Debian |
| 23:37.24 | abrotman | ben_goodger: next stop .. google! |
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| 23:37.41 | Azar | h3sp4wn: really ? how so ? |
| 23:37.55 | jelly-home | Azar: no mp3 codec? |
| 23:37.58 | h3sp4wn | Azar: No mp3 codecs at all |
| 23:38.03 | abrotman | decoders |
| 23:38.12 | Azar | h3sp4wn: ... and debian.. ? |
| 23:38.14 | dkr | debian-unofficial.org debian-multimedia.org *wink* *wink*? |
| 23:38.20 | jelly-home | abrotman: what, they have ENcoders? |
| 23:38.21 | abrotman | dkr: not official |
| 23:38.36 | Azar | dkr: unofficial << blink blik |
| 23:38.46 | abrotman | jelly-home: no .. i'm just saying we have decoders |
| 23:38.51 | h3sp4wn | Azar: Has them (the decoders not encoders) |
| 23:39.00 | dkr | I was asking if he is counting those, not asking if they are official. :) |
| 23:39.01 | jelly-home | abrotman: Fedora was talked about. |
| 23:39.08 | jelly-home | <h3sp4wn> Azar: Fedora complies even more than Debian |
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| 23:39.16 | abrotman | jelly-home: i know .. fedora has no decoder or encoder .. debian has decoders |
| 23:39.25 | abrotman | or last i looked anyways |
| 23:39.42 | Azar | lots of people don't understand that users are *free* to pick and chose to add proprietary blobs - debian will not ban them... but that is not a debian recommended action |
| 23:40.01 | sputnick | re |
| 23:40.01 | abrotman | Azar: sure ... but they're telling you that Fedora is more Free than Debian |
| 23:40.13 | Azar | the non-free repos is only a debian courtesy... rather than a debian requirement |
| 23:40.16 | abrotman | (though i'm not sure about other bits like binary driver blobs) |
| 23:40.20 | jelly-home | Azar: they don't even have to be blobs... lame is open source. |
| 23:40.22 | Azar | abrotman: I don't believe that |
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| 23:40.29 | abrotman | Azar: they just showed you! |
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| 23:41.32 | Azar | well I do not believe still. Debian installer does not come with proprietary software. |
| 23:41.53 | Azar | tell me that Debian comes with mp3 crap... I don't believe it |
| 23:41.59 | abrotman | Azar: are you crazy? |
| 23:42.09 | abrotman | there are blobs in the kernel |
| 23:42.20 | Azar | oh? they are? |
| 23:42.22 | Azar | wtf |
| 23:42.23 | karmatronic | abrotman: mp3 is crap because it s non-free? |
| 23:42.26 | abrotman | and xmms/totem/tons of others play mp3 without modification |
| 23:42.36 | Azar | karmatronic: mp3 is crap because ogg is better |
| 23:42.39 | abrotman | karmatronic: i'm fine with the format |
| 23:42.44 | karmatronic | :) |
| 23:42.48 | abrotman | karmatronic: it has patent restrictions or some crap |
| 23:42.49 | abrotman | !mp3 |
| 23:42.49 | dpkg | from memory, mp3 is MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet., or an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience, or patented in US and Germany (ask about ogg vorbis) |
| 23:42.51 | karmatronic | Azar: so gg is better than mp3 |
| 23:43.04 | karmatronic | Azar: but that doesnt mean mp3 is crap |
| 23:43.18 | h3sp4wn | pine is free (for all freedoms I care about anyway) |
| 23:43.19 | karmatronic | Azar: cos you ould say ogg is crap because wav is better |
| 23:43.26 | h3sp4wn | Debian considers it non-free |
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| 23:43.41 | Azar | well, ok is non-free and if I can use ogg instead I prefer ogg |
| 23:43.43 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: because IIRC .. the license doeesn't allow file relocation ? |
| 23:44.16 | Azar | abrotman: so why is Debian using blobs in the kernel? |
| 23:44.17 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: I don't care about binaries |
| 23:44.31 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: right |
| 23:44.36 | abrotman | Azar: check debian.org/vote |
| 23:45.41 | mosno | Azar: don't they get stripped out before they go into the deb-src? |
| 23:46.03 | h3sp4wn | The bug was marked sarge ignore and etch ignore |
| 23:46.05 | mosno | i recall reading about some strip-non-free or whatever script for the kernel |
| 23:46.12 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: have you tried alpine ? |
| 23:46.39 | abrotman | Azar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_%28e-mail_client%29#Licensing_and_clones |
| 23:47.09 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: I have yes not in much depth though (my mail runs on etch) |
| 23:47.27 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: is it comparable to pine ? |
| 23:47.38 | Azar | abrotman: http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_007 < this one? |
| 23:47.56 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: there's even a .deb for it :) |
| 23:48.02 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:48.05 | Azar | ew |
| 23:48.14 | Azar | so it started with Etch.... |
| 23:48.20 | Azar | :( |
| 23:48.22 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: its in sid (I know) |
| 23:48.30 | abrotman | oh it is ? |
| 23:48.38 | abrotman | Azar: did you stub your toe ? |
| 23:48.43 | h3sp4wn | !info alpine |
| 23:48.46 | dpkg | alpine: (Text-based email client, friendly for novices but powerful), section mail, is optional. Version: 0.99+dfsg-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2650 kB, Installed size: 5876 kB |
| 23:48.48 | Azar | woody wasn't like that |
| 23:49.06 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: i meant there was a .deb in thier FTP |
| 23:49.37 | koojoo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.42 | Azar | well, I guess I will stay with Sarge |
| 23:49.49 | koojoo_ | i know how to make it run a program as user bbs automatically, but i need it to login as user bbs and then run the program |
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| 23:50.06 | h3sp4wn | !dbugs 242866 |
| 23:50.10 | dpkg | #242866:S[linux-2.6] drivers containing firmware blobs; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 12:18:23 UTC |
| 23:50.20 | h3sp4wn | (It existed in sarge and etch) |
| 23:50.53 | Azar | on the 2.6.8 kernel? no, they did not have the time to taint the kernel back then... I think so |
| 23:51.11 | Azar | that musta been happen when the 2.6.18 was in the works |
| 23:51.11 | abrotman | Azar: blobs in sarge too |
| 23:51.18 | h3sp4wn | read that bug report |
| 23:51.37 | karmatronic | koojoo_: you could put su -c command_to_be_run in everybody s .bash_profile |
| 23:52.01 | Azar | damn back to woody then |
| 23:52.09 | Supaplex | koojoo_: sudo can do that to. |
| 23:52.12 | Azar | it works and is free |
| 23:53.39 | abrotman | Azar: you could just rebuild the kernel without those blobs |
| 23:54.03 | h3sp4wn | Azar: or use the hurd (if Woody can run on your hardware hurd might) |
| 23:54.12 | abrotman | or gnusense or whwatever it is |
| 23:54.29 | Quintin | more like gnuisance! |
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| 23:54.43 | Azar | I am so upset seeing that Debian tries to keep trend with all those commercial pressures.. what caving in windobies demands |
| 23:54.55 | abrotman | Azar: so you don't use any non-free stuff ? |
| 23:55.05 | h3sp4wn | Azar: It doesn't they are already in upstream Linux |
| 23:55.16 | Azar | abrotman: besides the kernel blobs in 2.6.8 sarge? no |
| 23:55.30 | abrotman | Azar: you have no nvidia/ati hardware ? no mp3 player? |
| 23:55.33 | Azar | I use the debian's nv |
| 23:55.40 | Azar | xmms and I only play mod's |
| 23:55.42 | h3sp4wn | Azar: That is non-free |
| 23:55.50 | h3sp4wn | Azar: Obfusicated source |
| 23:55.54 | Quintin | mod? |
| 23:56.18 | Azar | h3sp4wn: it was/is recommended by debian, is not the nvidia driver |
| 23:56.20 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: it's C++ .. not obfuscated! :) |
| 23:56.32 | Azar | ewww! C++ ?? |
| 23:56.45 | abrotman | i think it is |
| 23:57.04 | Azar | so heck what am I doing sitting on Debian and pretend I am using 100% free software? |
| 23:57.18 | abrotman | you don't have any mp3s ? |
| 23:57.23 | Azar | abrotman: never |
| 23:57.30 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: It is - that is why the nouveau project had to go back to a very old release and start trying to make sense of it |
| 23:57.32 | Azar | s3m, xm, mod |
| 23:57.32 | abrotman | or download any from intarweb |
| 23:57.37 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: oh .. that |
| 23:57.46 | Azar | abrotman: only the modarchive |
| 23:57.51 | abrotman | Azar: ah .. looks to be C |
| 23:57.51 | cafuego | Azar: you use linuxbios? |
| 23:58.02 | Azar | cafuego: I wish... |
| 23:58.12 | Azar | I know is out... |
| 23:58.28 | abrotman | oh .. your bios is non-free |
| 23:58.42 | Azar | no really now look at osi becoming the laughter of the crows, will FOSS follow suit? |
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