| 00:00.21 | koojoo_ | abrotman, so your sure sudo can do that? |
| 00:00.30 | abrotman | koojoo_: who what? |
| 00:00.31 | Azar | that's not why I moved from windows... I wanted something totally ideologically different... a totally different feel and look.. |
| 00:00.42 | abrotman | koojoo_: that was karmatronic |
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| 00:02.46 | karmatronic | koojoo_: i proposed su -c your_comand in bash init files |
| 00:02.57 | Mika-chan | Is the gnome menu supposed to show newly installed packages when they are installed via Synaptic Package Manager? |
| 00:03.08 | karmatronic | Azar: cool |
| 00:03.14 | magic_user | er how do I search for a package again? |
| 00:03.23 | abrotman | Mika-chan: yes |
| 00:03.25 | koojoo_ | <Supaplex> koojoo_: sudo can do that to. |
| 00:03.27 | abrotman | !tell magic_user about refcard |
| 00:03.28 | koojoo_ | sorry i was lost |
| 00:03.29 | _RedShift_ | I've got a wireless card configured through rt2500. This system loves to drop the connection, somehow (not sure how, reads as still connected, but can't find any hostnames), but another machine with the same card, same distro, same config doesn't. Any ideas? |
| 00:03.41 | Azar | :( |
| 00:03.44 | Mika-chan | abrotman, any suggestions if new items are not showing? |
| 00:04.05 | abrotman | update-menus |
| 00:04.17 | Mika-chan | abrotman, thank you |
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| 00:06.48 | h3sp4wn | _RedShift_: Tried the mac80211 version ? |
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| 00:09.18 | romano2k | hi everyone! is there a way to automatically purge "rc" packages ? |
| 00:10.00 | abrotman | romano2k: dpkg -l | egrep "^rc" .. check the list .. then use xargs to purge them using dpkg |
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| 00:10.24 | romano2k | abrotman, ouch, i don't know how to use xargs |
| 00:10.33 | abrotman | you can ask after you check the list |
| 00:10.43 | abrotman | make sure you actually want to remove all of them |
| 00:11.00 | magic_user | ah yes aptitude takes away my pain |
| 00:11.02 | romano2k | abrotman, i already used the 'dpkg -l | grep rc' command |
| 00:11.08 | magic_user | I might switch to debian from archlinux |
| 00:11.08 | romano2k | what's different in yours ? |
| 00:11.10 | _RedShift_ | h3sp4wn, the what? |
| 00:11.11 | magic_user | but then again |
| 00:11.14 | abrotman | romano2k: ? |
| 00:11.15 | magic_user | I might not!! |
| 00:11.16 | magic_user | lol |
| 00:11.18 | magic_user | LOL |
| 00:11.19 | abrotman | romano2k: different how ? |
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| 00:11.24 | abrotman | magic_user: lay off the enter key |
| 00:11.25 | magic_user | tits! |
| 00:11.27 | magic_user | ok |
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| 00:12.42 | romano2k | abrotman, what's the difference between grep and egrep ? |
| 00:12.51 | abrotman | read the man pages |
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| 00:13.13 | karmatronic | romano2k: egrep = grep -E |
| 00:13.16 | h3sp4wn | _RedShift_: The new one (its in the -mm kernel now) |
| 00:13.50 | _RedShift_ | even better question, right now... how can I replace a string in a file with a line command? |
| 00:14.07 | abrotman | man sed |
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| 00:15.34 | romano2k | i'm sure i wan't to delete all the "rc" packages |
| 00:15.46 | abrotman | want ? |
| 00:15.54 | romano2k | is there an only command to purge everything |
| 00:15.58 | romano2k | yes want, sorry |
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| 00:17.09 | abrotman | romano2k: dpkg -l | egrep "^rc" | xargs dpkg -P |
| 00:17.11 | _RedShift_ | abrotman, thanks |
| 00:17.12 | abrotman | should work |
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| 00:19.25 | romano2k | abrotman, thank you! |
| 00:19.26 | h3sp4wn | romano2k: aptitude purge \~c |
| 00:19.41 | romano2k | h3sp4wn: are you sure about your command? |
| 00:19.52 | h3sp4wn | romano2k: yes |
| 00:19.56 | abrotman | mien is more fun! |
| 00:20.03 | romano2k | haha |
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| 00:20.23 | magic_user | wow |
| 00:20.38 | magic_user | I can't figure out if I should drop tryign to learn lisp and jsut learn python. |
| 00:20.42 | magic_user | lol |
| 00:20.47 | abrotman | and we don't care |
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| 00:22.58 | magnus-swe | magic_user: wow, youre a true bot |
| 00:22.58 | cafuego | magnus-swe: bugger all, i dunno |
| 00:23.07 | _RedShift_ | one last dumb question... is the 'quota' package required for XFS quota support? |
| 00:23.25 | magnus-swe | cafuego: dont you like chick_ago ? |
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| 00:24.05 | cafuego | magnus-swe: what makes you say i don't like chick_ago ? |
| 00:24.36 | amphi | peterS: no, I hadn't heard that - I read a rant about the 'surface' that described it as a bathtub |
| 00:24.55 | magnus-swe | Oh, Beehive Chick_Ago |
| 00:25.28 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 00:26.17 | magnus-swe | hello mandelbrot |
| 00:26.31 | magnus-swe | how you fancy:=) |
| 00:26.59 | amphi | peterS: hard to find it now: "Results 1 - 100 of about 18,200 for "Microsoft Surface" bath", quoth google |
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| 00:28.12 | magnus-swe | amphi: ms died in this diebold i presume ? |
| 00:28.19 | magnus-swe | Amens |
| 00:28.34 | amphi | magnus-swe: eh? |
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| 00:28.54 | magnus-swe | amphi: crap has no chanse |
| 00:29.30 | amphi | make your time? |
| 00:29.53 | magnus-swe | futile endevour you have there? |
| 00:30.21 | magnus-swe | Kidz, pffst |
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| 00:30.46 | ccvp | Hello fellow internet addicts, are we all lookin forward to another long & glorious week of irc? :) |
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| 00:31.28 | magnus-swe | ccvp: greece or Italy... decide for me, now! |
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| 00:31.45 | magnus-swe | I will jet in |
| 00:32.59 | liable | magnus-swe: forget to take your pills this morning? |
| 00:33.09 | magnus-swe | Coded dancers liable |
| 00:33.28 | abrotman | magnus-swe: do you have a debian question ? |
| 00:33.28 | magnus-swe | Your pills liable |
| 00:34.07 | magnus-swe | abrotman: catching up with old frinds... should you let me |
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| 00:34.22 | abrotman | magnus-swe: msg them .. |
| 00:34.24 | nautiazn85 | How do I find all directories named "CVS" and remove them? |
| 00:34.28 | stew | magnus-swe: please take it elsewhere |
| 00:34.42 | abrotman | nautiazn85: man find |
| 00:34.44 | magnus-swe | abrotman: hmm, ok. |
| 00:34.46 | jelly-home | #debian-offtopic ftw |
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| 00:34.55 | stew | nautiazn85: find /somepath -type d -name CVS | xargs rm -r |
| 00:35.01 | Bi||aBong | i burn a dvd with the *.vob and others files but this don't play |
| 00:35.11 | nautiazn85 | stew: thanks |
| 00:35.34 | magnus-swe | abrotman: Why this hushpuppeh though ? / in some channels i cant even say "Oh _shit_ i forgot to merge that pice of code" |
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| 00:36.00 | abrotman | magnus-swe: 1) it's OT 2) it doesn't make sense |
| 00:36.01 | stew | magnus-swe: please keep it on topic |
| 00:36.11 | magnus-swe | and its ultimately your loss, im going to greece or italy tomorrow |
| 00:36.31 | liable | i cant decide if its a smart bot or a crack user.. |
| 00:36.35 | magnus-swe | You cant code |
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| 00:36.50 | afaict | hi folks! |
| 00:36.55 | MangosDebian | stew: ;) |
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| 00:37.48 | afaict | Can someone help me ? Im trying to boot a pendrive using grub installed in a harddisk... the INITRD can not find /dev/sda disk. i need to load some module in the init of initrd to detect sda before it try to mount |
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| 00:38.43 | magic_user | hm |
| 00:38.49 | afaict | dont leave me alone! =/ |
| 00:38.54 | afaict | :D |
| 00:38.57 | magic_user | dev/sda doesnt sound liek a usb drive |
| 00:38.57 | jelly-home | afaict: I'm not sure grub can boot from a device that BIOS can't detect... can your bios detect and boot from it directly? |
| 00:39.01 | magic_user | to me |
| 00:39.10 | jelly-home | magic_user: it does. |
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| 00:40.45 | afaict | jelly-home: my BIOS does not support my pendrive... it detects but i cant boot. i changed some stuff in setup of BIOS but it didn't work. |
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| 00:41.28 | afaict | jelly-home: then... GRUB couldn't detect my pendrive... i changed devices.map and added (hd2) /dev/sda but i try to use root (hd2,0) but grub says it has no DISKs |
| 00:41.41 | jelly-home | afaict: how would you expect grub (that, I think, only knows about devices presented by bios) to know about it |
| 00:42.33 | afaict | jelly-home: i added in devices.map as some howtos suggested. didn't work. grub's source is BIOS i think. =/ |
| 00:42.59 | afaict | jelly-home: tried SmartBootManager too.. didn't work too! know im sure if I can fix initrd i will be able to open my pendrive |
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| 00:44.04 | jelly-home | maybe another boot loader, or a version of grub for DOS + a driver for usb storage for DOS ... but if you can write files or boot dos, you might as well put your kernel there :-| |
| 00:44.22 | atealtha | when I start banshee on etch I get this error: http://rafb.net/p/zIOpzp92.html I tried aptitude purge and reinstalling but that didn't help. any ideas what I can do? |
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| 00:45.35 | frankr | How can I check how much ram my system has |
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| 00:45.46 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 00:45.46 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 00:46.08 | nn-gentoo | ? tar -xvvzf *.tar.gz is not working what is rong ; err= not found in archive? |
| 00:46.16 | abrotman | atealtha: that's a mono error .. did you ask #mono on irc.gnome.org ? |
| 00:46.26 | atealtha | no I have not |
| 00:46.32 | atealtha | and will |
| 00:46.34 | atealtha | thanks |
| 00:46.50 | Michael_K | hello everyone every time i click on my windows partition well to mount it... i keep gettin this error message... "hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000"..... does anyone know how to correct this problem with the mountin of my windows partition? |
| 00:48.18 | afaict | jelly-home: i tried 4 different boot loaders. it didn't work. didn't appear USB HDD |
| 00:48.18 | jelly-home | nn-gentoo: you're not using correct syntax for tar |
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| 00:48.19 | nn-gentoo | what is the correct syntax? |
| 00:48.19 | nn-gentoo | the man page isnt hellping |
| 00:48.19 | jelly-home | nn-gentoo: a single archive name. |
| 00:48.19 | nn-gentoo | aug |
| 00:48.19 | jelly-home | nn-gentoo: use a for loop |
| 00:48.19 | nn-gentoo | that will drive me crasy |
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| 00:49.41 | jelly-home | nn-gentoo: for file in *.tar.gz; do; tar xfvz "$file"; done |
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| 00:52.39 | chuckkh | how can I dpkg -i a folder full of .deb files with the option not to replace anything newer |
| 00:52.40 | chuckkh | ? |
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| 00:53.10 | chuckkh | I saw an option not to bother replacing the same version, but when I ran it I saw a few warnings about downgrading |
| 00:53.29 | jelly-home | chuckkh: you could create a repository, add it and do an upgrade |
| 00:53.30 | abrotman | it shouldn't |
| 00:54.06 | chuckkh | jelly-home: but some of the packages involved aren't installed yet in any version |
| 00:54.24 | chuckkh | ok |
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| 00:54.56 | jelly-home | hm |
| 00:55.05 | Supaplex | humm indeed. how do I use keyboard only for X? There's no mouse on this box. :p (temporary) |
| 00:55.14 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 00:55.21 | abrotman | use a window manager that works without a mouse |
| 00:55.26 | Supaplex | flwm ? |
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| 00:55.55 | jelly-home | Supaplex: there's a fake-mouse-on-num-keypad feature somewhere, too |
| 00:55.59 | Supaplex | I'd ssh -X to the box, but there is a vmware machine i need to shutdown, and there's no host networking. |
| 00:56.07 | Supaplex | yea, jelly-home that's what I was thinking to |
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| 00:56.53 | chuckkh | I want to install all .debs that are on one install and not the other; after mounting the other fs, does this command sound correct: |
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| 00:57.16 | chuckkh | # diff folder1 folder2 | dd -cbs=1 -conv=unblock | grep .deb | dpkg -i |
| 00:58.19 | chuckkh | er, *diff dir1 dir2* |
| 00:58.28 | chuckkh | I guess "folders" is windows |
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| 01:07.23 | Supaplex | nm. /etc/init.d/networking restart acts more like reload. stupid eth0 was down, and I thought it was vmware's bridge crap, but ifup eth0 make it work. stupid. |
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| 01:09.05 | frankr | where can I find the faad package |
| 01:09.31 | frankr | For some reason its not in my repo |
| 01:09.31 | Supaplex | frankr: is it on packages.debian.org/faad ? |
| 01:09.33 | asg | frankr: what version of debian are you running? |
| 01:09.36 | frankr | etch |
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| 01:09.44 | Supaplex | !tell frankr -about sources.list |
| 01:09.45 | asg | !info etch faad |
| 01:09.47 | frankr | loosk like its only in unstable |
| 01:09.56 | opcode | hey can anyone help me? I just installed a few packages, then by mistake did an rm -rf /var/lib.. I just restored by /var/lib from a backup I made yesterday, but now my package listing isn't synchronized with what I have installed.. ie I just installed ruby, but apt-get remove ruby won't remove it.. it doesn't know it's installed. how can I resolve this? |
| 01:10.03 | Supaplex | you'll have to find a backport, or make one |
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| 01:10.12 | asg | frankr: then look at backports.org or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 01:10.13 | karsten | opcode: One moment. |
| 01:10.33 | Supaplex | opcode: if the backup is from yesterday, just reinstall then purge. |
| 01:10.43 | alvin_lee | Hi. I have debian woody and want to upgrade. To do it... first i need to upgrade to sarge?Or may i upgrade to etch directly? |
| 01:10.54 | opcode | Supaplex: so just reinstall all the packages that I justinstalled? |
| 01:10.58 | opcode | like apt-get install ruby? |
| 01:10.59 | asg | alvin_lee: no, you need to upgrade to sarge first, then woody |
| 01:11.03 | Supaplex | opcode: yes |
| 01:11.08 | karsten | opcode: http://linuxmafia.com/debian/tips "I lost my /var" |
| 01:11.14 | Supaplex | alvin_lee: dist-upgrade one dist at a time. :) |
| 01:11.23 | opcode | thanks karsten, supaplx |
| 01:11.35 | alvin_lee | heheh ok thaks :D SubStack and asg !! |
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| 01:12.07 | karsten | opcode: Erm: RECOVERING FROM LOST FILESYSTEMS (on that URL). Scripted recovery. |
| 01:12.11 | klhrevolutionist | hmm.. |
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| 01:12.47 | Supaplex | cool. it's scripted now? :) |
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| 01:13.02 | opcode | karsten: yeah, I think I'm just gonna go with apt-get install ruby, seems to work fine |
| 01:13.04 | karsten | Supaplex: Since 2003. |
| 01:13.10 | karsten | opcode: OK. |
| 01:13.10 | opcode | I guess it'll just overwrite the previous files |
| 01:13.28 | Supaplex | if he only has a few packages to reinstall since yesterdays backup, I think that's rather painless. |
| 01:13.36 | karsten | Supaplex: The libc6 version probably needs updating. |
| 01:13.47 | opcode | thanks guys! |
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| 01:13.54 | karsten | opcode: Yeah. Should preserve /etc configs. |
| 01:14.09 | Supaplex | apt++ :) |
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| 01:14.52 | frankr | what package is aclocal in |
| 01:15.00 | abrotman | !search |
| 01:15.00 | dpkg | search is, like, try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 01:15.23 | frankr | returns nothing |
| 01:15.48 | frankr | apt-file search aclocal also returns nothing |
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| 01:16.17 | abrotman | apt-file update ? |
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| 01:18.12 | Supaplex | $ apt-file search aclocal | wc -l = 408 |
| 01:18.20 | frankr | ahh this is the largest pain in the ass ever |
| 01:18.24 | frankr | can't get freaking faad2 |
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| 01:18.50 | Supaplex | frankr: was it on backports? |
| 01:18.53 | bonez39 | what command would one use to lookup the IP of another machine on a network..to which I have ssh'd? |
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| 01:19.10 | karsten | bonez39: On that host: ifconfig -a |
| 01:19.13 | asg | bonez39: /sbin/ifconfig (if you are still logged in) or netstat -a |
| 01:19.20 | karsten | bonez39: Locally: ps waux | grep ssh |
| 01:19.36 | karsten | bonez39: ... should show the hostname. Also netstat -tp | grep ssh |
| 01:19.36 | waltercool | hi there... i have installed debian in my portable HDD and my grub partition have broken... how can i fix that? |
| 01:19.37 | bonez39 | karsten, I am connected to remote network..using ssh... |
| 01:19.50 | karsten | bonez39: Then 'ifconfig' remotely. |
| 01:19.54 | bonez39 | I want to connect to ANOTHER machine on same LAN.... |
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| 01:20.16 | karsten | bonez39: Um, that's not what you asked, but sure. |
| 01:20.26 | asg | bonez39: ping -b <subnet's broadcast address> or nmap |
| 01:20.37 | karsten | bonez39: ping flood, nmap ping scan or scan for ssh daemons. |
| 01:21.06 | karsten | bonez39: You can also (sometimes) check the arp cache of a system on the same lan. |
| 01:21.11 | bonez39 | nmap...I think that's the one I want... |
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| 01:21.19 | somian | You don't ssh to a network, you ssh to a host. So your original question made little sense and it is no wonder you didn't get the answer you sought, bonez39. |
| 01:22.10 | paolob | Hi guys! I'm using a debian unstable (gnome, automounting is properly set in gnome preferences), but since some weeks the cd automounting feature don't work any more; same thing for automatically open gthumb photo importer when connecting a camera. Any hint? |
| 01:22.18 | bonez39 | somian, ok, I ssh'd to my host..my work domain..and then there is another new machine...running linux....and I use ssh when I am there at work. to connect to that machine too... |
| 01:22.25 | asg | paolob: /msg dpkg bts |
| 01:23.08 | paolob | asg, do you know of some existing related bug? |
| 01:23.12 | somian | Too late, bonez39 |
| 01:23.26 | asg | paolob: no, that's your job. You are running unstable and get to deal with it. |
| 01:23.34 | karsten | paolob: He was politely saying "no, I don't". |
| 01:24.10 | bonez39 | somian, that's it? |
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| 01:25.17 | frankr | whats the new testing called again |
| 01:25.26 | karsten | frankr: "testing" |
| 01:25.26 | asg | frankr: lenny, it's in the /topic you know |
| 01:25.32 | frankr | ok thought so |
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| 01:37.03 | Supaplex | I have dhcp setup, but the CF card on it is in poor shape. I found out the hard way clients do not keep their ip addresses when the dhcp server is MIA. I recall in the past they would keep the last accepted configuration until dhcp came back online. How do I configure the clients or server to behave this way instead? |
| 01:37.04 | barque | All right I want to install Debian ... but I'm wondering why the hell it's 3 DVDs and whether I need all of that |
| 01:37.24 | abrotman | !d-i barque |
| 01:37.24 | dpkg | barque, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 01:38.39 | barque | And 1 more question ... there are tons of Linux distro ... and I blindly picked Debian. Does this thing kick ass? will I ever regret not chosing something else? Does it support Beryl ? :) |
| 01:39.29 | karsten | !why debian |
| 01:39.30 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ or see <overfiendsphallus> |
| 01:39.30 | karsten | !search |
| 01:39.30 | dpkg | methinks search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 01:39.30 | abrotman | barque: no beryl .. but there is compiz |
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| 01:39.30 | barque | :'( |
| 01:39.30 | abrotman | barque: those two projects are merging anyways |
| 01:39.30 | Supaplex | I thought beryl was in backports? |
| 01:39.31 | barque | oh |
| 01:39.33 | stoned | what |
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| 01:39.48 | barque | Wait so ... |
| 01:40.05 | abrotman | Supaplex: might be |
| 01:40.05 | barque | If I get compize will have I wicked wobbly windows and a box to represent my 4 desktops? |
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| 01:40.15 | abrotman | Supaplex: it was better when you were the only supa* |
| 01:40.17 | borschty_ | yes |
| 01:40.19 | karsten | barque: And chicks. |
| 01:40.24 | karsten | barque: Hawt chicks |
| 01:40.26 | barque | wikked* |
| 01:40.27 | stoned | barque: compiz sucks |
| 01:40.30 | Supaplex | abrotman: supa[TAB] :) |
| 01:40.32 | stoned | beryl sucks too |
| 01:40.37 | Supaplex | stoned: http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-17396.html |
| 01:40.39 | Supaplex | !sucks |
| 01:40.39 | dpkg | Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? http://kevininscoe.com/pub/whaaambulance.jpg |
| 01:40.39 | abrotman | Supaplex: and the other guy comes first |
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| 01:40.44 | stoned | compiz fusion is buggy but it iant bad |
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| 01:40.58 | stoned | Supaplex: you suck too |
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| 01:41.16 | Supaplex | stoned: patches welcome buddy. ;-D |
| 01:41.21 | barque | karsten... YUCK, TWM? |
| 01:41.26 | stoned | take that |
| 01:41.33 | daeos | is there is a debian package that allows me to watch connections to my vsftpd and watch bandwidth usage? |
| 01:41.33 | barque | I have an old FBSD system here and over there I use TWM |
| 01:41.34 | Supaplex | AR!! |
| 01:41.49 | daeos | other than looking at bmon... and trying to guess if its ftp usage |
| 01:41.51 | Supaplex | !start a wm war |
| 01:41.52 | dpkg | enlightenment bites! |
| 01:41.52 | barque | and mainly b/c it's a server |
| 01:41.55 | mosno | twm rocks, but it doesn't do virtual desktops :( |
| 01:42.03 | karsten | daeos: probably some gkrellm plugin, wminet, ntop. |
| 01:42.24 | somian | enlightenment does bite |
| 01:42.28 | karsten | barque: Actually, wmaker, though I run twm sometimes. |
| 01:42.38 | karsten | somian: ... and scratches. |
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| 01:42.49 | barque | Enlightenment, is one COFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSING window manager |
| 01:43.05 | barque | It bites? it devours! |
| 01:43.05 | stoned | hey man I used that gkrellm (weird fucking name for a software if you ask me) on my 965p s3 gigabyte mobo and core 2 duo and it was unable to read any temps |
| 01:43.10 | stoned | what gives? |
| 01:43.51 | Supaplex | stoned: karma backlash ;) |
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| 01:43.57 | stoned | what? |
| 01:43.58 | somian | I don't think a dock app for GNOME was able to read my temps either, on a Core2Duo system |
| 01:44.12 | stoned | gkrellm |
| 01:44.16 | stoned | what the hell does that stand for? |
| 01:44.23 | stoned | what does it mean, is it even a word? |
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| 01:44.31 | karsten | stoned: IIRC the krell bit refers to Forbidden Planet. |
| 01:44.45 | abrotman | flash sucks |
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| 01:45.12 | stoned | what? |
| 01:45.13 | Supaplex | abrotman: yea, my 256mb card has issues :*( |
| 01:45.21 | abrotman | i meant the web crap :) |
| 01:45.36 | Supaplex | oh, you mean macromedia *puke* |
| 01:45.38 | karsten | stoned: 'gk' == gtk toolkit. 'm' == monitor. In the movie, the Krell could tap vast amounts of power and energy, and there was a display showing how much was being used at any one time, which took up most of a warehouse. |
| 01:45.46 | karsten | stoned: ... much like gkrellm does ;-) |
| 01:45.59 | stoned | uff! |
| 01:46.00 | CorporateThuggin | (breaking news)(ap/reuters) - A catastrophic accident has occured at the Large Hadron Collider. The intent was to create blackholes that form, and dissipate in a split second. However they are not dissipating. Details Soon. |
| 01:46.01 | CorporateThuggin | wtf |
| 01:46.05 | stoned | that far fetched |
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| 01:46.19 | stoned | why couldn't they just call it the krell monitor |
| 01:46.22 | stoned | or something |
| 01:46.30 | stoned | krell is good enough |
| 01:46.37 | stoned | g krell m |
| 01:46.39 | stoned | thats gay |
| 01:46.47 | stoned | and I don't mean happy |
| 01:46.50 | somian | It sounds too happy for you, stoned? |
| 01:47.04 | Supaplex | CorporateThuggin: were they running debian? |
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| 01:47.10 | karsten | stoned: The GNU Krell Monitors http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/gkrellm |
| 01:47.23 | stoned | yessir |
| 01:47.41 | barque | Just 1 question ... all of you guys at 1 point dl'ed 3 dvds? |
| 01:48.00 | Supaplex | stoned: http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSWBT00720120070625 |
| 01:48.06 | somian | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:49.30 | karsten | stoned: gkrellm FAQ supports that acount BTW: http://members.dslextreme.com/users/billw/gkrellm/FAQ.html If you have seen the movie Forbidden Planet, you might recall the Krell had a room with wall to wall meters for monitoring their power systems, and that is what I was thinking of when I came up with the GKrellM name. |
| 01:50.11 | stoned | you? |
| 01:50.16 | stoned | you came up with that name? |
| 01:50.23 | stoned | I want some of what you've been smoking karsten |
| 01:50.49 | karsten | stoned: No, you most assuredly *don't* ;-) |
| 01:51.04 | stoned | karsten: stingy bastidge |
| 01:51.08 | stoned | hehe |
| 01:51.24 | stoned | karsten: I'm on my 5th month of being clean |
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| 01:51.33 | stoned | I aint gonna smoke nothing for nobody |
| 01:52.33 | stoned | ok so I almost installed ubuntu the other day |
| 01:52.43 | stoned | I don't know what urged me to even think about it |
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| 01:53.08 | Supaplex | CorporateThuggin: not only was it OT. It smells of troll/fud/joke. http://search.us.reuters.com/rsearch/rcomSearch.do?blob=Hadron&WTmodLoc=ussrch-top-quote |
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| 01:55.57 | TheNinja | what is ruby? I'm suppose to run "ruby ssetup.rb config" to configure this script and debian says ruby not found |
| 01:56.15 | Supaplex | !installit |
| 01:56.16 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 01:56.22 | Supaplex | !tell TheNinja -about search |
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| 01:57.34 | seenow | LANGUAGE | Please use http://rafb.net/paste/ for pastes over 5 lines |
| 01:57.58 | seenow | Debian is a pice of shit, so is gentoo and then redhat garbage. The worst one is Microsoft s utmost crap |
| 01:58.27 | abrotman | seenow: ban evasion is grounds for a k-line |
| 01:58.32 | seenow | Fuck everything, im not holy |
| 01:58.40 | seenow | LOL |
| 01:58.55 | seenow | try kid |
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| 01:59.16 | seenow | You could try to be nice instead |
| 01:59.22 | abrotman | you weren't nice |
| 01:59.28 | seenow | How ? |
| 01:59.55 | seenow | Im always nice |
| 02:00.02 | seenow | or try to be |
| 02:00.23 | daeos | karsten: thanks |
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| 02:00.33 | stoned | umm |
| 02:00.37 | stoned | seenow: wtf? |
| 02:00.41 | seenow | karsten pwnz |
| 02:00.56 | stoned | debian is not a piece of shit |
| 02:01.04 | seenow | stoned: build your own understanding |
| 02:01.15 | stoned | what does that mean? |
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| 02:01.24 | seenow | non stoned ;) |
| 02:02.06 | seenow | Should we listen to you thered be no progress at all... |
| 02:02.13 | stoned | my being stoned has nothing to do with my sense of perception. You obviously lack the knowledge about how THC affects the human brain neurochemically if you are dissing on my doobage |
| 02:02.19 | seenow | Kidz |
| 02:02.48 | somian | 719 users |
| 02:02.51 | seenow | Garbage^ |
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| 02:02.55 | stoned | I'm asking you to give reasons about how debian is a piece of shit and you are avoiding the question |
| 02:03.00 | drwahl | i am trying to make an playlist.m3u. i did 'ls /mnt/data/music/ > playlist.m3u' and i have converted all spaces to %20. now i need to add the http:// at the beginning of each line. does any one know an easy way of doing this? |
| 02:03.11 | drwahl | i think last time i did this i used awk |
| 02:03.17 | seenow | You are shit, you seem to dislike progress |
| 02:03.26 | stoned | ! ops seenow is trolling |
| 02:03.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: stoned complains about: seenow is trolling |
| 02:03.28 | seenow | Anyone who does is hit |
| 02:03.36 | seenow | to me |
| 02:03.37 | abrotman | drwahl: sed -i -e 's/^/http:\/\//g' <file> |
| 02:03.56 | abrotman | drwahl: roughly .. i might have missed a \ in there :) |
| 02:04.02 | drwahl | lol, thanks |
| 02:04.09 | seenow | !dpkg k-line stoned for beeing stoned |
| 02:04.14 | somian | yeah, awk is a good solution for that |
| 02:04.28 | abrotman | somian: either should work |
| 02:04.35 | somian | Indeed |
| 02:05.21 | seenow | Im going to play trivia! .. stoned, youre welcome if you dare the trivias :) |
| 02:05.49 | stoned | seenow: I dare you to grow up |
| 02:05.54 | stoned | nay, I double dare you. |
| 02:06.10 | seenow | stoned: how old are you ? |
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| 02:06.22 | seenow | stoned: im 31 |
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| 02:06.46 | drwahl | seenow: so you aren't going to take his dare? |
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| 02:07.20 | Yea10354 | hey i need some help |
| 02:07.36 | seenow | drwahl: i like a dare... ok, so i wont give the originator hell but ... Sure Tantalizing :) |
| 02:07.37 | abrotman | just ask |
| 02:07.40 | Yea10354 | i need to install debian on my remote server |
| 02:07.45 | abrotman | drwahl: stay out of it .. they can work it out |
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| 02:08.28 | Yea10354 | i have complete disk access to the server through a network booted distreo |
| 02:08.35 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 02:08.37 | dpkg | from memory, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 02:08.48 | seenow | Dondelecaro, Gro up and buy a real car! :) |
| 02:08.53 | Yea10354 | abrotman: how will i run debootstrap ? |
| 02:08.56 | seenow | WwwW |
| 02:09.11 | Supaplex | Yea10354: read the install guide, look for the 'existing linux' portion |
| 02:09.20 | seenow | Sissy |
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| 02:11.49 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: where ? |
| 02:11.56 | abrotman | !Ig |
| 02:11.56 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 02:17.07 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:17.15 | Yea10354 | not yay for me |
| 02:17.20 | Yea10354 | i got a empty server |
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| 02:19.38 | urso_ | hello |
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| 02:20.30 | urso_ | dpkg !ati |
| 02:20.31 | Supaplex | Yea10354: if you have ar installed, you might get away with downloading the debootstrap deb, use ar -x to extract it, then tar -C / zxvf data.tar.gz (YMMV) |
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| 02:20.51 | Supaplex | now how do I flag bad blocks w/o reformatting the filesystem? |
| 02:20.59 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: how would that work ? |
| 02:21.17 | urso_ | !ati |
| 02:21.17 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com |
| 02:21.20 | Supaplex | Yea10354: what distro is your empty server running? |
| 02:21.26 | Yea10354 | nothing |
| 02:21.29 | Yea10354 | really empty |
| 02:21.37 | Supaplex | Yea10354: not even formatted? not bootable? |
| 02:21.43 | Yea10354 | its formatted |
| 02:21.51 | Yea10354 | ext2 and a linux swap |
| 02:21.57 | Yea10354 | but nothing on there |
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| 02:22.05 | Supaplex | Yea10354: formatted only? ... and it's remote? |
| 02:22.14 | Yea10354 | yes remote |
| 02:23.04 | Quintin | wow |
| 02:23.04 | Yea10354 | its remote its empty |
| 02:23.06 | Quintin | http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2884546&postcount=13 |
| 02:23.08 | Yea10354 | and i want debian on there |
| 02:23.08 | Supaplex | Yea10354: are you not telling me something on purpose, or are you aloof to booting? ... |
| 02:23.22 | Supaplex | ok, so how are you going to boot if it's remote? |
| 02:23.35 | Yea10354 | right now its not booted |
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| 02:23.53 | Yea10354 | and i am using a network booted distro aka a recovery system which allows me to mount the hard drive |
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| 02:24.20 | Supaplex | Yea10354: how'd you do that? is this under vmware or something? |
| 02:24.20 | fg_fungo | In expert mode you will always be able to choose whether or not the clock is set to UTC. Systems that (also) run Dos or Windows are normally set to local time. If you want to dual-boot, select local time instead of GMT. |
| 02:24.21 | krocker | how do I migrate my old user accounts after a reinstall |
| 02:24.24 | fg_fungo | what's this expert mode? |
| 02:24.37 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: no |
| 02:24.43 | Yea10354 | my datacenter provides it |
| 02:25.01 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: i go into my control panel say hey activate recovery console |
| 02:25.05 | Supaplex | Yea10354: is ar installed on the rescue disk? does it have network access? |
| 02:25.18 | Yea10354 | your not listening ;) |
| 02:25.31 | Supaplex | ffs |
| 02:25.32 | Yea10354 | they set me up a network booted distro on my node |
| 02:25.39 | Supaplex | I get it! |
| 02:25.42 | Yea10354 | ok |
| 02:25.49 | Yea10354 | and it just allows me to mount the hd |
| 02:25.51 | Yea10354 | nothing more |
| 02:25.59 | Supaplex | then you're screwed. |
| 02:26.14 | Supaplex | if there's no network access, it's hopeless. |
| 02:26.22 | Pc_Dark | get a KVN link |
| 02:26.29 | Pc_Dark | KVM* |
| 02:26.31 | fg_fungo | how could i enable expert mode? |
| 02:26.32 | Supaplex | unless your sysadmin foo is grandmaster. |
| 02:26.37 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: what do you mean network access ? |
| 02:26.58 | flyinprogramer | anyone host their own internal wiki in here? |
| 02:27.03 | Supaplex | as in wget http://something.bleh/this |
| 02:27.15 | Yea10354 | i havee wget on the Recovery consoel |
| 02:27.24 | Yea10354 | BUT theres nothing on the actual servers drive |
| 02:27.54 | Supaplex | you assume there has to be? |
| 02:28.16 | Supaplex | if you can mount the filesystems, we have a chance. |
| 02:28.35 | oblio | god that gets me so hot |
| 02:28.45 | flyinprogramer | i'm looking for a lightweight open source wiki software that will let me easily create an online to-do list and collaborate on documents with friends |
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| 02:29.19 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: dude lol i have direct access to the servers HD |
| 02:29.35 | Yea10354 | i have formatted it and made many new partitions |
| 02:29.41 | Supaplex | and they're mounted? |
| 02:30.09 | Yea10354 | i can mount it yes |
| 02:30.20 | Yea10354 | to my recovery system / console |
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| 02:31.24 | Supaplex | Yea10354: so why can't you follow this? what's the hangup? -->>> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 02:32.43 | Supaplex | find the deb from a nearby mirror http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/debootstrap, download it to the rescue system, extract the deb with ar -x, then extract the tarball with tar -C / zxvf data.tar.gz |
| 02:32.49 | Yea10354 | listen |
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| 02:32.55 | Supaplex | I'm trying to |
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| 02:33.04 | Yea10354 | for one the rescue systme is Ubuntu |
| 02:33.04 | bintut | any qemu users here? |
| 02:33.15 | bintut | i booted my guest OS using qemu.. i got a 10.0.2.15 ip address and my default route is 10.0.2.2.. my host OS (linux) is using 192.168.100.200 and my gateway is 192.168.100.10.. how can i make my guest OS connects to the lan of my host OS or even connects to the internet? |
| 02:33.22 | Supaplex | so you can apt-get install debootstrap, right? |
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| 02:33.49 | Supaplex | Yea10354: I had to assume nothing apt or aptlike was installed. keep talking... |
| 02:34.04 | abrotman | bintut: bridging |
| 02:34.12 | abrotman | bintut: google "qemu bridge debian" |
| 02:34.37 | niru | Supaplex, hello |
| 02:34.37 | Supaplex | bintut: also qemu faq |
| 02:34.37 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: but again using deboostrap on the recovery system will make a system based on the recovery system |
| 02:34.39 | Supaplex | Yea10354: it will not |
| 02:34.43 | bintut | abrotman: i don't want to use bridging because it makes my debian host OS's eth0 unusable |
| 02:34.52 | abrotman | bintut: no it doesn't |
| 02:34.59 | abrotman | bintut: i do it at work... |
| 02:35.10 | Supaplex | Yea10354: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en D.3.3 says use etch |
| 02:35.11 | bintut | bintut: what do you mean? |
| 02:35.20 | bintut | sorry.. it was for you abrotman.. |
| 02:35.35 | abrotman | bintut: i do the bridging method at work .. and the guestOS is on the LAN |
| 02:35.38 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: will this make the kerrnel any everything well put it in there ? |
| 02:35.42 | abrotman | bintut: and i can still get into the host |
| 02:36.09 | Supaplex | Yea10354: I've done this off redhat systems before. It's not easy, but it'll work. (if you're mindfull of the process) |
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| 02:37.03 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: what about the kerrnel ? |
| 02:37.17 | bintut | abrotman: i just tried it with this option: ==> /usr/local/bin/qemu-tap -kernel-kqemu -boot d -cdrom linux.iso -localtime -net nic,vlan=0 -net tap,vlan=0 linux.img |
| 02:37.20 | kritical | Can anyone help me with NAT? I need to forward a range of ports... I have a working example to forward 1 port --> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s ! 192.168.1.0/24 -m tcp -p tcp --dport 64285 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.1:80 |
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| 02:37.28 | Supaplex | Yea10354: it'll install the debian kernel. it's part of the base. |
| 02:37.31 | abrotman | bintut: setup the bridging correctly first .. then worry about the qemu part |
| 02:37.57 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: Grub or lilo too ? |
| 02:38.14 | Supaplex | Yea10354: READ THE $@$*() INSTALL GUIDE |
| 02:38.21 | Supaplex | it's covered there |
| 02:38.23 | Yea10354 | ok |
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| 02:38.32 | Yea10354 | but they are expecting to to be used for a chroot |
| 02:38.36 | Yea10354 | not a full blown system |
| 02:39.18 | Supaplex | I've used it lots of time. I've only been bitten when the hardware isn't supported by an older kernel. |
| 02:39.39 | Yea10354 | what kerrnel will this give me lol ? |
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| 02:39.43 | Supaplex | that and the fact that godaddy can suck my ... well you get the picture. |
| 02:39.44 | Yea10354 | it uses a SATA drive |
| 02:39.59 | Yea10354 | what do you use goaddy for ? |
| 02:40.01 | Supaplex | what chipset? lspci -nn |
| 02:40.08 | abrotman | bintut: FWIW .. i use a static IP for the host OS |
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| 02:40.34 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: it will give me the hardware of the recovery not the actual real system |
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| 02:40.43 | Supaplex | I tried their dedicated server a month ago. I dropped them when they were to anal retentive to select a boot option on grub menu |
| 02:40.53 | bintut | abrotman: i use a static ip also |
| 02:41.10 | Supaplex | Yea10354: so they pulled your drive out of the real system and stuck it in something else? |
| 02:41.13 | abrotman | bintut: did you find the document i was talking about ? |
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| 02:41.39 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: lol |
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| 02:41.51 | Yea10354 | basically this is how i think they do it |
| 02:42.24 | Supaplex | Yea10354: you may as well try anyway. I'm not sure how to mitigate all the issues of swapping hardware on a fresh install. |
| 02:42.31 | bintut | abrotman: this is my /etc/network/interfaces ==> http://paste.debian.net/31402 |
| 02:42.32 | Yea10354 | i think they have a node of server 10-20 and theres a main recovery console and they give me login to a shell and it allows me to mount the drive of my server |
| 02:42.36 | abrotman | bintut: http://wiki.freaks-unidos.net/qemu-debian |
| 02:42.39 | abrotman | wait ... |
| 02:42.42 | abrotman | no .. that's it |
| 02:42.53 | Supaplex | eg, testing in qemu would be hap-hazard, because qemu uses different hardware then what I'd have the host on. |
| 02:43.02 | abrotman | bintut: AFAICT .. your interfaces is pretty wrong |
| 02:43.09 | bintut | hhmmm.. |
| 02:43.25 | Supaplex | Yea10354: the mac address of the nic could tell you, if you have it recorded somewhere |
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| 02:43.37 | GuHHH | hello |
| 02:43.40 | abrotman | bintut: read the page i just posted |
| 02:43.53 | Supaplex | Yea10354: it might be identical hardware anyway. shops don't mix and match often (we hope) |
| 02:43.55 | GuHHH | i need some help |
| 02:43.59 | Supaplex | !tell GuHHH -about ask |
| 02:44.22 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: http://phpfi.com/244848 |
| 02:44.25 | Yea10354 | i was wrong |
| 02:44.26 | GuHHH | how do i install wireless drivers on debian? intel wireless pro 3945 |
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| 02:44.45 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 02:44.45 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 02:44.45 | Yea10354 | they just boot your server into network distro mode when you request it but it still runs on the same box |
| 02:45.00 | Yea10354 | so it still uses the same hardware etc |
| 02:45.19 | Supaplex | Yea10354: use -nn so I can see the pci ids with the descs |
| 02:45.20 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: i guess you were right |
| 02:46.31 | GuHHH | abrotman: thanks i will try it |
| 02:47.00 | Yea10354 | http://phpfi.com/244849 |
| 02:48.07 | Supaplex | dell huh. humm. this must be a busybox crippled lspci. |
| 02:48.19 | Yea10354 | ?? |
| 02:48.56 | Supaplex | 00:1f.1 IDE interface [0101]: Intel Corporation 82801BA IDE U100 Controller [8086:244b] (rev 12) |
| 02:49.02 | Supaplex | see the 8086 part? (this is mine) |
| 02:49.18 | Yea10354 | wait |
| 02:49.24 | Yea10354 | lscpi -mm ? |
| 02:49.26 | Yea10354 | correct ? |
| 02:49.32 | Supaplex | N as in November |
| 02:49.40 | Yea10354 | oo |
| 02:49.43 | Supaplex | small N though. |
| 02:50.16 | Supaplex | !ich6 |
| 02:50.16 | dpkg | hmm... ich6 is a new intel chipset. SATA supported under ide-piix. audio on sarge needs either 1.0.8 (alsa-source)....snd-azx is the 1.0.8 version of the driver. 1.0.9 hda-intel driver is much better tho but not packaged. D-i RC3 should find sata automatically as it has been bugfixed but modprobe will find it if not autoconfiged |
| 02:50.23 | Yea10354 | http://phpfi.com/244851 |
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| 02:50.34 | abrotman | Supaplex: that shouldn't be an issue |
| 02:50.41 | abrotman | -nn |
| 02:50.48 | abrotman | that's two! |
| 02:51.00 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: theres not a thing on the box right now its just booting the recovery console on the same server off a network boot |
| 02:51.01 | Supaplex | abrotman: so you think it's ok? 8086:2652 |
| 02:51.07 | abrotman | ich6? |
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| 02:51.14 | Supaplex | Yea10354: yes mr Yea10354 we've been over this. |
| 02:51.19 | Supaplex | abrotman: yes |
| 02:51.44 | abrotman | i don't see why it wouldn't work |
| 02:52.04 | Supaplex | egrep -i "8086.*2652" /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686-bigmem/modules.alias shows ahci ata_piix |
| 02:52.09 | Supaplex | looks good to me. |
| 02:52.17 | Yea10354 | so its all good to go ? |
| 02:52.31 | Supaplex | to the best of my knowledge, yes |
| 02:52.46 | bintut | abrotman: i'm reading it already.. thanks for the link.. |
| 02:52.50 | Yea10354 | so basically use the network booted thing to do a deboostrap |
| 02:52.55 | Yea10354 | and copy that to the file system |
| 02:52.58 | Quintin | Could I get some critique on this post? http://daecom.biz/ask/ |
| 02:53.05 | Yea10354 | thaat will include a kertrrnel to correct ? |
| 02:53.15 | bintut | abrotman: by the way, why 192.168.2.1 in this example? ==> http://wiki.freaks-unidos.net/qemu-debian#running-and-networking-qemu |
| 02:53.16 | Supaplex | Yea10354: just follow the install guide. you'll be fine. |
| 02:53.50 | Yea10354 | i did a apt-get install deboostrap on the recovery |
| 02:53.52 | Yea10354 | it installed it |
| 02:54.00 | Yea10354 | but i think its an old version |
| 02:54.12 | abrotman | bintut: that's just what they used |
| 02:54.20 | littlebit | does anyone know what the problem is at mentors.debian.net I uploaded a package this mourning and it is still not available |
| 02:54.22 | Supaplex | Yea10354: dpkg -l debootstrap |
| 02:54.39 | abrotman | bintut: FWIW .. i didn't use everytying on that page .. if you want ot know what i did .. you'd have to come back tomorrow when i'm at ork |
| 02:54.40 | abrotman | work |
| 02:54.52 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: of the newest verision ? |
| 02:54.53 | abrotman | i don't go to ork .. often .. Mindy gets mad when i leave |
| 02:54.57 | Supaplex | Yea10354: if in doubt, grab the etch release from packages.debian.org (eg, wget a direct link from a mirror), and dpkg -i deboo....deb |
| 02:55.15 | Supaplex | Yea10354: run dpkg -l debootstrap on the box, compare with p.d.o |
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| 02:55.35 | bintut | abrotman: what is that for? i can't find any similar network to 192.168.2.x |
| 02:55.42 | bintut | abrotman: ok.. i'll be back here tomorrow.. |
| 02:55.49 | abrotman | bintut: i'm Eastern |
| 02:55.53 | bintut | abrotman: same time now? :) |
| 02:56.11 | abrotman | bintut: basically .. i used the interfaces stuff .. and the stuff to start qemu |
| 02:56.32 | Yea10354 | Retrying failed download of http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 |
| 02:56.50 | Yea10354 | that package is there too !!!!! |
| 02:57.00 | bintut | abrotman: yeah, i just want to use it also.. but, i'm confused with the 192.168.2.1 in the scripts/up.sh script |
| 02:57.11 | abrotman | skip it |
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| 02:57.35 | abrotman | bintut: look at the bit about how to setup the bridging farther down |
| 02:57.49 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: the deboostrap here is b0rked |
| 02:58.01 | Yea10354 | and if i do apt-get remove deboostrap lol i get an error |
| 02:58.08 | Supaplex | Yea10354: try using a different mirror |
| 02:58.28 | Supaplex | if you dpkg -i a package already installed, the old one is removed anyway. |
| 02:58.31 | Yea10354 | the link works good |
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| 02:58.37 | Yea10354 | ooo? |
| 02:58.42 | Supaplex | by design |
| 02:58.56 | Yea10354 | where do i get the newest deboostrap again ? |
| 02:59.05 | Supaplex | !pdo |
| 02:59.05 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 02:59.23 | TraceGreen | Hello, If i want to get source code of kernel: apt-get source linux-image-2.6.20-1-686, and then, kernel source code is under /usr/src, right? |
| 02:59.28 | Supaplex | !penixsmite damog |
| 02:59.43 | abrotman | hi damog |
| 02:59.51 | Quintin | dgs: hi2u |
| 02:59.54 | Yea10354 | could not find deboostrap hmmm |
| 03:00.06 | damog | aptitude into it! |
| 03:00.13 | bintut | abrotman: yeah. but, the i can't find the 192.168.2.x mentioned on that page except on the scripts/up.sh |
| 03:00.19 | Supaplex | Yea10354: http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap ? |
| 03:00.23 | abrotman | bintut: and i'm telling you to skip it :)\ |
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| 03:00.29 | dgs | Quintin, =) |
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| 03:00.41 | dgs | Quintin, watch me slack off some more =/ |
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| 03:00.53 | Quintin | dgs: wtf am I paying you for? :p |
| 03:00.59 | dgs | hahaha |
| 03:01.06 | Supaplex | dgs: you're a slackware defector?! |
| 03:01.08 | dgs | if only you were actually paying me =) |
| 03:01.25 | dgs | Supaplex, nah, ubuntu man . . . but i hear its debian underneath :p |
| 03:01.29 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: which one shoudl iget with the etch package script stuff already in them ? |
| 03:01.35 | bintut | abrotman: ok. thanks.. :) |
| 03:01.49 | Supaplex | dgs: /query dpkg based on debian |
| 03:02.41 | Supaplex | Yea10354: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=all&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fd%2Fdebootstrap%2Fdebootstrap_0.3.3.2_all.deb&md5sum=7a09ed621e6dd11cda0142078342bbe2&arch=all&type=main |
| 03:02.41 | dgs | Supaplex, haha =) |
| 03:03.54 | Yea10354 | No packages found matching debootstrap_0.3.3.2_all.deb. |
| 03:03.59 | Yea10354 | dpkg -l |
| 03:04.01 | Yea10354 | :( |
| 03:04.23 | Supaplex | Yea10354: dpkg -l debootstrap, not debootstrap_0.3.3.2_all.deb. |
| 03:05.05 | Yea10354 | what did that do ? |
| 03:05.09 | abrotman | stew: fix it!!! |
| 03:05.26 | stew | abrotman: eh? |
| 03:05.32 | abrotman | stew: mlb.tv! |
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| 03:05.36 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: did that install it or ? |
| 03:05.54 | stew | abrotman: i don't help with non-free software here |
| 03:06.00 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:06.03 | abrotman | okay ... |
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| 03:06.51 | Supaplex | Yea10354: dpkg -l lists, dpkg -i <file> installs. |
| 03:06.55 | Supaplex | !typosmite Yea10354 |
| 03:07.22 | bintut | i have to go for now.. thanks :) |
| 03:08.21 | _RedShift_ | anyone have opinions on reiser vs xfs? |
| 03:08.42 | Supaplex | !start a fs war |
| 03:08.43 | dpkg | xfs is too slow! |
| 03:08.44 | Quintin | _RedShift_: yes. XFS pwns your face. reiser kicks ass, a little bit. |
| 03:09.02 | Quintin | _RedShift_: what size files are you working with? reiser is king for small files |
| 03:09.43 | h3xis | reiser has killer performance. |
| 03:09.44 | _RedShift_ | apache2, vsftpd, samba crap, web devel server, svn repo |
| 03:09.52 | Quintin | killer! hah! |
| 03:09.54 | MangosDebian | h3xis: lol |
| 03:09.55 | h3xis | lolz. |
| 03:09.58 | Quintin | You see it's funny cause of Nina |
| 03:09.59 | somian | until is gets corrupted |
| 03:10.06 | somian | it* |
| 03:10.16 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: cannot access archive: No such file or directory |
| 03:10.19 | Quintin | _RedShift_: use xfs |
| 03:10.25 | Yea10354 | the night just keeps gettting more interesting |
| 03:10.46 | Supaplex | Yea10354: I need to run an errand before the hardware store closes. bbiaw. |
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| 03:12.48 | Drizzt321 | anyone in here have a dell inspiron e1505/6400? I'm trying to figure out why the sd/mmc slot detects my sd card, but not my mmc card. I'm using custom 2.6.21 |
| 03:13.34 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: yea thanks |
| 03:13.35 | _RedShift_ | should I even ask about ext2/3? |
| 03:13.46 | Quintin | _RedShift_: slow. |
| 03:13.52 | _RedShift_ | yea |
| 03:14.05 | Quintin | _RedShift_: default commit in ext3 is 5s. in reiser3.4 it's 30. do the math |
| 03:14.26 | h3xis | is reiserfs4 even "stable" yet? |
| 03:14.26 | _RedShift_ | why does it take so long to mount a reiser volume, anyway? |
| 03:15.06 | Quintin | _RedShift_: reiser caches bitmaps on mount |
| 03:15.33 | cafuego | it needs to restore whatever it broke last time it was mounted |
| 03:15.49 | _RedShift_ | no wonder it hosed my fstab |
| 03:16.06 | _RedShift_ | speaking of, can someone pastebin their fstab so I can get the mount options for proc, etc? |
| 03:16.15 | Quintin | redduck666: there are patches that fix this |
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| 03:16.21 | Quintin | _RedShift_: mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 03:16.29 | cafuego | mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 03:16.45 | _RedShift_ | got that, are there any other funky noexec-style craps for other fses? |
| 03:17.02 | cafuego | you maybe wants /sys |
| 03:17.05 | Quintin | _RedShift_: http://daecom.biz/paste/?q=39 |
| 03:17.09 | cafuego | not that doesn't go in fstab |
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| 03:19.42 | _RedShift_ | one last question (sound familiar?), does xfs play nice with quotas? |
| 03:20.57 | Quintin | _RedShift_: yes. |
| 03:21.06 | _RedShift_ | sweet, xfs it is |
| 03:21.10 | Quintin | quotas are stupid anyway |
| 03:21.17 | Quintin | if someone uses to much disk space, tell them to fucking clean their homedir |
| 03:21.20 | Quintin | if they don't, clean it for them |
| 03:21.28 | Quintin | disk space problem solved |
| 03:21.35 | _RedShift_ | lol |
| 03:21.42 | MangosDebian | Quintin: never had a runaway program yet have you :) |
| 03:22.32 | Quintin | MangosDebian: tell the runaway program to clean its homedir. if it doesn't, clean it for it |
| 03:22.41 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 03:22.45 | Quintin | uh, I mean, mount /var separately |
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| 03:27.12 | simonrvn | @kernel |
| 03:27.21 | simonrvn | !kernel |
| 03:27.23 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.21.5, prepatch: 2.6.22-rc6, 2.4: 2.4.34.5, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre5, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.22-rc4-mm2 |
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| 03:30.21 | frankr | where are the system fonts kept |
| 03:31.01 | frankr | foundem nvm |
| 03:31.11 | somian | frankr: complex q |
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| 03:34.48 | _RedShift_ | thanks for the advice |
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| 03:36.00 | urso_ | hello |
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| 03:36.35 | peterS | stoned: sorry, wasn't around when seenow was talking trash. at least he got bored eventually. (trolls usually do.) |
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| 03:36.42 | jetscreamer | !greet urso_ |
| 03:36.42 | dpkg | Hi there, urso_ |
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| 03:39.05 | urso_ | jetscreamer :) |
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| 03:40.07 | jetscreamer | The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese <--funny |
| 03:40.22 | somian | That is a good one, jetscreamer |
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| 03:40.55 | somian | bye bye now |
| 03:40.58 | jetscreamer | ciao |
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| 03:41.04 | jetscreamer | cya later |
| 03:41.35 | jetscreamer | #ubuntu took away all our clubie stock |
| 03:42.34 | jetscreamer | and the trolls and spammers have kinda died off too |
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| 03:43.50 | dasunt | I have /boot on md0 and lvm with root and other partitions on md1 |
| 03:44.00 | dasunt | md0 = sda1 & sdb1, md1 = sda2 & sdb2. |
| 03:44.12 | dasunt | How should I configure grub so that either disk is bootable in case of a disk failure? |
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| 03:45.40 | Drizzt321 | I'm having a really weird thing, when I try to use insmod it seg faults. This is when running it without any options either. I'm running testing target |
| 03:46.19 | Drizzt321 | anyone have any ideas? |
| 03:46.31 | Quintin | Drizzt321: modprobe |
| 03:46.50 | cast | insmod is depreciated now |
| 03:46.54 | Drizzt321 | it is? |
| 03:47.01 | peterS | Drizzt321: yeah, we recommend modprobe over insmod, insmod used to be a low-level tool that never did have much valid use |
| 03:47.03 | Drizzt321 | I'm just trying to insert a local (to the dir) module |
| 03:47.06 | Drizzt321 | ah |
| 03:47.12 | jetscreamer | more like modprobe does what insmod does plus that other stuff |
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| 03:47.31 | jetscreamer | deprecated btw |
| 03:47.46 | Drizzt321 | erm...modprobe says it can't find that module |
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| 03:48.02 | Drizzt321 | its not in proper /lib/module dir, because I'm testing it out before installing it there |
| 03:48.09 | jetscreamer | ah y;eah, insmod just does the one module you specify, modprobe will do all that are needed.. kinda like dependencies |
| 03:48.13 | Drizzt321 | how do I insert it without insmod while using modprobe? |
| 03:48.34 | Quintin | Drizzt321: man modprobe. you could just put it in module dir |
| 03:48.45 | Drizzt321 | ah, -t options |
| 03:49.22 | peterS | Drizzt321: give it a path with / in it, if necessary ./modname |
| 03:49.27 | stoned | hey there |
| 03:49.35 | peterS | nyyyyyle |
| 03:49.37 | Drizzt321 | hrm...maybe not |
| 03:49.51 | Drizzt321 | peterS: you mean modprobe ./module.ko? doesn't work, tried it |
| 03:49.53 | stoned | whats up buddy |
| 03:50.04 | Quintin | suggestions for RSI from typing? |
| 03:50.10 | stoned | I'm looking for an ubuntu netinst |
| 03:50.10 | jetscreamer | hey stoneded |
| 03:50.12 | stoned | I don't know why |
| 03:50.17 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:50.22 | jetscreamer | stoned: afaik there isn't one |
| 03:50.23 | peterS | Drizzt321: what do you mean by doesn't work? can't find the module, or crashes like insmod does, or what? |
| 03:50.23 | stoned | hey gramps |
| 03:50.31 | stoned | there isn't/ |
| 03:50.33 | stoned | hmm |
| 03:50.39 | Drizzt321 | peterS: can't find the file |
| 03:50.43 | Quintin | stoned: use the alternate install disc and pick 'minimal install' |
| 03:50.53 | Drizzt321 | peterS: since it only searchs the appropriate /lib/module/<kernel vers> dir |
| 03:51.03 | jetscreamer | hit f6 and append nosplash single vga=normal |
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| 03:52.06 | jetscreamer | Grenade seems to be a homie |
| 03:52.08 | peterS | Drizzt321: hmmm. I could have sworn modprobe supported inserting a filename instead of a module from a standard directroy |
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| 03:52.20 | Drizzt321 | peterS: doesn't seem to want to easily anyways |
| 03:52.31 | peterS | Drizzt321: yeah. so we're back to insmod. it shouldn't crash, that's very odd |
| 03:52.41 | Grenade | sup? |
| 03:52.54 | Drizzt321 | peterS: thats what I'm saying. sure, I rarely use it in favor of modprobe, but times like this I want to use it |
| 03:53.14 | Drizzt321 | doesn't matter much anyway, gotta recompile the kernel if I want to use this module cause I don't have a few things that I need in it |
| 03:53.15 | Drizzt321 | *sigh* |
| 03:53.26 | Grenade | i hope you guys know more than those in #ubuntu |
| 03:53.34 | peterS | Drizzt321: insmod is an extremely simple program, since most of the work of module loading is done inside the kernel these days. does 'dmesg' report anything related to the attempted module load, before insmod crashes? |
| 03:53.39 | frankr | Hi, I'm looking for a really really simple, easy to use firewall that'll just let me open and close ports that I need to put on a dedicated server connected directly to internet |
| 03:53.53 | peterS | Grenade: we know more about Debian than those in #ubuntu. we don't necessarily know more about Ubuntu than they do |
| 03:53.58 | Drizzt321 | peterS: nope, not a thing. even if I run insmod with _nothing_ on the command line, it segfaults |
| 03:54.17 | Grenade | peterS: yeah but it's pretty much debian |
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| 03:55.00 | Drizzt321 | Grenade: not quite, close, but they've done a few things to it |
| 03:55.05 | peterS | Grenade: you'd be surprised at the differences. what really annoys us in here is trying to help a stealth ubuntu user (that we think is a debian user) and when we finally get enough information about the user's problem, it turns out to be something that wouldn't occur in Debian due to the differences |
| 03:55.15 | Drizzt321 | lol |
| 03:55.24 | Grenade | hmm |
| 03:55.40 | Grenade | well i remember having the same problem with ubuntu that i had with debian 6 years ago |
| 03:55.59 | Grenade | with init.d and the rc.d directories |
| 03:56.04 | peterS | I mean, yeah, it is a Linux system with .deb packages, but for example they use a different version of libc, a different default version of python, a different gcc.... |
| 03:56.16 | cast | and a replacement for init? |
| 03:56.25 | peterS | yeah, and a replacement for init, now |
| 03:56.37 | peterS | buncha upstarts |
| 03:56.51 | Grenade | <---- total noob.. been away from linux for a long time |
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| 03:57.00 | MangosDebian | Grenade: ntp question by chance? |
| 03:57.04 | Grenade | ha |
| 03:57.07 | Grenade | um why |
| 03:57.10 | Grenade | u see my post ? |
| 03:57.10 | Quintin | frankr: uh, only ports that have services bound to them will be "open" |
| 03:57.14 | MangosDebian | yes |
| 03:57.16 | Grenade | ha |
| 03:57.28 | frankr | Quintin, obviously but I need to close some ports that are only for local services |
| 03:57.29 | MangosDebian | part of it anyways |
| 03:57.35 | Grenade | i cant get a good answer |
| 03:57.36 | frankr | rather block outside access |
| 03:58.00 | MangosDebian | Grenade: well, you definetly were polite about everything. hopefully we can help :) |
| 03:58.05 | Quintin | frankr: iptables? :p |
| 03:58.06 | Grenade | i just want to figure out how to make a script to load on system boot so ntp will start |
| 03:58.14 | frankr | Quintin, ip tables confuse the shit out of me haha |
| 03:58.19 | Quintin | frankr: there is, of course, firestarter |
| 03:58.20 | peterS | frankr: well, a lot of services you can configure the service itself only to listen on a local port. how to do this is service-dependent |
| 03:58.21 | Grenade | even tho i'm highly medicated i try to be nice |
| 03:58.36 | frankr | peterS, you're saying bind to loopback? |
| 03:58.42 | Grenade | :) |
| 03:58.43 | Quintin | frankr: heh, I won't admit it but me too at first :p once you use it it's simple. the masquerading HOWTO is quite nice |
| 03:58.44 | cast | Grenade: i thought the debian ntpd pkg did that already? |
| 03:58.48 | jetscreamer | sysvinit is different , ubuntu vs debian |
| 03:58.54 | Grenade | didnt load the pkg i compiled |
| 03:58.57 | peterS | frankr: loopback and whatever IP you have for your local network that isn't Internet-routable, if any |
| 03:59.04 | frankr | peterS, right, right |
| 03:59.08 | urso_ | peterS lol |
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| 03:59.21 | frankr | problem is the main one that I need to close to public is written by me and its terrible so it can't bind to a specific address |
| 03:59.21 | Quintin | frankr: most stuff you can bind to a specific address, like peterS says. like the "Listen" directive on apache eg |
| 03:59.27 | jetscreamer | !wb Bhaal |
| 03:59.27 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Bhaal has returned! |
| 03:59.34 | peterS | frankr: heh |
| 03:59.40 | urso_ | peterS the problem is there are to much distros ... |
| 03:59.41 | Quintin | frankr: so you being a lousy coder is our problem? ;p |
| 03:59.43 | MangosDebian | Grenade: /etc/rc.local file is good for calling simple scripts |
| 03:59.54 | frankr | Quintin, no haha I need a firewall regardless of my lousy coding |
| 03:59.55 | Quintin | Yes!! way way way too many distros. way too many programs |
| 04:00.04 | MangosDebian | but there are limitations compared to a full init.d script of course |
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| 04:00.14 | jetscreamer | there should be only one uberdistro |
| 04:00.16 | Grenade | MangosDebian: only problem is i can't write a script to make toast |
| 04:00.19 | jetscreamer | windoes |
| 04:00.23 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 04:00.26 | urso_ | is all the distos can join togerher will be great ... there are no chance like this have one easy os to normal users ... persons that dont work whith computer and get at night and come to the firefox |
| 04:00.32 | urso_ | or something else |
| 04:00.49 | MangosDebian | Grenade: i believe there is a skeleton init.d file that you can edit if the software you compiled didnt make one for you |
| 04:00.51 | cast | it would suck. do you think we want the same things #ubuntu wants or #suse? |
| 04:01.17 | Grenade | MangosDebian: any idea where i can find it / |
| 04:01.22 | bonii | Suddenly yesterday night after I paused rhythmbox and then closed it the sound has stopped working on my laptop running debian etch. I checked with lspci and in /proc the soundcard is detected but no sound comes out |
| 04:01.23 | jetscreamer | actually i prefer a couple of the ubuntu implentations of things |
| 04:01.39 | jetscreamer | most not though |
| 04:01.39 | MangosDebian | Grenade: /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 04:01.42 | urso_ | cast and if someone can join what debian wants and ubuntu wants all toghether? |
| 04:01.55 | Grenade | MangosDebian: looking now |
| 04:01.57 | peterS | urso_: why not you? have you started working on that yet? |
| 04:02.05 | jetscreamer | the bloatedpig distro! |
| 04:02.27 | bonii | Suddenly yesterday night after I paused rhythmbox and then closed it the sound has stopped working on my laptop running debian etch. I checked with lspci and in /proc the soundcard is detected but no sound comes out. Can someone please help me out here? |
| 04:02.37 | MangosDebian | Grenade: start with that and plug in your info and chmod +x the copy (copy, dont edit it in place). if you need help getting the sym links in place, ask again here later about update-rc.d |
| 04:02.44 | jetscreamer | what you say? could you repeat that? oh wait, you already did |
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| 04:02.48 | Quintin | bonii: don't do that. ask once every five minutes is ok |
| 04:02.49 | cast | only thing i'd want changed to debian is the non-free kernel modules dropped |
| 04:02.53 | Quintin | bonii: every 30s is annoying |
| 04:03.03 | urso_ | peterS well ... to talk true in the first times i start to use linux ... i allways think in this ... ubuntu founder have one good ideology ... and money :) and ussually works good whith companys :) and they wants is bussines :) |
| 04:03.11 | bonii | Quintin: Sorry then |
| 04:03.16 | urso_ | and go to the space :) |
| 04:03.31 | jetscreamer | !sacrifice #debian |
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| 04:03.40 | peterS | urso_: Ubuntu accepts volunteer contributions. if you like the direction it is going but want to make it more like Debian, feel free to start contributing to it |
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| 04:04.02 | urso_ | peterS can i be honestlly? |
| 04:04.10 | Quintin | we have GNOME and KDE... both are WRONG... but in opposite places |
| 04:04.17 | Quintin | if everyone would just get along and work together :\ |
| 04:04.33 | peterS | Quintin: everyone gets along. not everyone feels the desire to hack on the same desktop environment. |
| 04:04.37 | stoned | Quintin: what? |
| 04:04.52 | cast | Quintin: why must you desire to remove my choice. |
| 04:04.57 | Quintin | my point is, there is *a lot* of duplicated effort |
| 04:05.03 | stoned | Quintin: no alternate disc, I only want to do a netinstall |
| 04:05.11 | stoned | Quintin: through linux/initrd.gz |
| 04:05.24 | stoned | if a distro doesn't support this install method, its worthless |
| 04:05.25 | Grenade | MangosDebian: ok looks.. eh. easy enough, but i have 2 questions.. PIDFILE=/var/run/$NAME.pid and SCRIPTNAME=/etc/init.d/$NAME |
| 04:05.29 | Quintin | stoned: too poor to get an optical drive? :p |
| 04:05.33 | urso_ | peterS i love netinstall ... and debian is more organizedthen ubuntu andis one really great distro ... just there are many things that dont work accessibility what i have oin one i dont have in other ... |
| 04:05.34 | peterS | Quintin: have you looked at the architectural differences between KDE and GNOME? before you suggest that the two groups of people should be happy working on the same project, have a look at their differences to see how deep they run. 'cause they do. |
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| 04:05.42 | stoned | Quintin: whatever the case maybe |
| 04:05.49 | MangosDebian | Grenade: what about them? |
| 04:06.03 | urso_ | if i can het the power of bouths o0 0o urggggggggg |
| 04:06.07 | fungos | debian works on a old 600mhz amd with only 128mb ram? |
| 04:06.16 | jetscreamer | hey when i run make-kpkg clean i get You may need root privileges - some parts may fail... i own every file, it would tell me if some parts did fail, eh? so no errors no problemo eh |
| 04:06.17 | Grenade | MangosDebian: um what are they asking for ? |
| 04:06.22 | peterS | fungos: that's old nowadays? sure, debian should work fine on that. |
| 04:06.26 | fungos | I dont need X or anything. only, apache, pythong, snv, trac and ssg |
| 04:06.27 | fungos | ssh |
| 04:06.31 | MangosDebian | Grenade: see the NAME= field? |
| 04:06.36 | Grenade | ya |
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| 04:06.50 | MangosDebian | Grenade: set that to the name you want this script to be called. |
| 04:07.06 | fungos | peterS: what do you recommend ? netinstall or full cd iso? |
| 04:07.06 | Grenade | fungos: i'm running ubuntu on a p2300 with 98mb ram |
| 04:07.08 | MangosDebian | Grenade: and be sure to make the skeleton copy the same as NAME |
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| 04:07.38 | peterS | fungos: you will get the same installed system either way. netinstall means you download less stuff at the beginning, and other things are downloaded as needed. full CD means you download more at first, and some of what you downloaded will never be used. |
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| 04:08.06 | fungos | netinstall then :D I need few things |
| 04:08.20 | Grenade | MangosDebian: ok thought that might be but not sure. so the pid will be the same name as the script if i do a ps |
| 04:08.27 | peterS | fungos: for most people the netinst is a better choice, but if your new Debian system will not have good Internet access, it may be nicer to have one or two full CDs already downloaded and written |
| 04:08.58 | fungos | if ubuntu runs with 98mb ram.. Im happy then :D I was trying dsl linux... but dont have needed packages |
| 04:09.31 | peterS | fungos: don't know what ubuntu needs. Debian will run fine with 98 MB of RAM, _especially_ if you don't use a graphical environment |
| 04:09.39 | fungos | no, it has a good link. netinstall will do it |
| 04:09.42 | Grenade | fungos: im not swaying you from debian, i'm just saying you won't have a problem with debian |
| 04:09.54 | cast | base system runs fine with 32mb, too |
| 04:09.57 | fungos | I got it :d |
| 04:09.59 | MangosDebian | Grenade: well, it can be anything you want really. but it should match the name of the binary you intend to run. So if I had say ssh daemon running it may be called sshd (although on debian its just "ssh") |
| 04:10.38 | MangosDebian | Grenade: the name is just something unique so it can put the proper unique named files to store the pid and stuff in /var and such |
| 04:10.55 | Grenade | MangosDebian: i mean what i throw in that pidfile line will end up being the process name if i were to do a ps -aux |
| 04:11.11 | stoned | Quintin: its proving to be quite worthless so far |
| 04:11.23 | fungos | another thing, why debian site doesnt have a simple search box for packages like gentoo does? :D |
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| 04:11.34 | MangosDebian | Grenade: basically yes. so if your ps shows a program called "acme123", set NAME=acme123 |
| 04:12.11 | Quintin | stoned: what is? |
| 04:12.16 | stoned | ubuntu |
| 04:12.23 | stoned | and i haven't even installed it yet |
| 04:12.26 | stoned | thats the funny part |
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| 04:12.32 | Quintin | stoned: you're being ignorant |
| 04:12.36 | MangosDebian | Grenade: dont change PIDFILE or SCRIPTNAME though, they are set based on what you put in NAME= |
| 04:12.48 | Quintin | ubuntu is very brown. I mean great |
| 04:13.00 | peterS | does it make the brown noise? |
| 04:13.06 | stoned | Quintin: no I'm being logical. no netinstn == worthless disitro |
| 04:13.51 | cast | so does netinst have sshd on the iso? |
| 04:13.57 | Grenade | MangosDebian: whew... ok that was close :) i should have known that for some reason even with my nanoscopic amount of programming experience |
| 04:14.13 | stoned | cast: its installed |
| 04:14.27 | peterS | cast: not on the i386 architecture. it does on the s390 architecture, as you don't have a local console on a mainframe, so sshd is a good way to run the installer |
| 04:14.51 | Grenade | MangosDebian: i have to stop goofing off with my windows machine and start learning something more useful |
| 04:15.22 | stoned | I'd rather use xp over ubuntu |
| 04:15.23 | Grenade | MangosDebian: luckily i found this ancient computing device and fixed it |
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| 04:15.29 | Grenade | lol |
| 04:15.30 | MangosDebian | Grenade: i guess everyone has their own goals :) |
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| 04:15.45 | stoned | goal in my language means round |
| 04:15.45 | stoned | :D |
| 04:15.52 | stoned | like a little fat ball |
| 04:16.02 | Grenade | i just wanted to try to learn mysql and my friend recommended ubuntu |
| 04:16.18 | peterS | stoned: where do you get an XP netinstall CD? |
| 04:16.27 | Grenade | yeah yeah |
| 04:16.30 | Grenade | ha |
| 04:16.35 | stoned | peterS: you don't |
| 04:16.40 | Grenade | www.torrentz.com |
| 04:16.41 | peterS | sounds useless then |
| 04:16.45 | stoned | peterS: it is |
| 04:16.46 | Grenade | closest thing |
| 04:16.51 | stoned | peterS: but its more useful than ubuntu |
| 04:16.54 | urso_ | lol |
| 04:16.56 | Grenade | it's sorta free |
| 04:16.59 | Grenade | :) |
| 04:17.00 | stoned | peterS: lesser of two evils |
| 04:17.15 | urso_ | Grenade you dont need ubuntu to learn mysql lol |
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| 04:17.20 | cast | Grenade: ahh well, maybe you want to install debian, and for a start just install the ntp package with a init script already :> |
| 04:17.21 | Grenade | wow is ubuntu that bad ? |
| 04:17.21 | stoned | peterS: im just pissed man |
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| 04:17.32 | stoned | peterS: i wanted to give ubuntu a chance, I really did. But alas.. |
| 04:17.33 | Grenade | ha |
| 04:17.43 | MangosDebian | cast: ssssh, he wants to learn ;) |
| 04:17.48 | Grenade | why u guys hate it so bad |
| 04:17.49 | Grenade | ? |
| 04:18.02 | Grenade | if it really sux compared to debian i'll format this sucker |
| 04:18.04 | peterS | Grenade: "u guys"? first of all, u isn't a word, second, I think it's just one guy |
| 04:18.16 | kingsley | How does one tell which program is using a certain kernel module? |
| 04:18.19 | nvz | I'm not sure what happened exactly but I was in aptitude marking packaged to be purged from this server that used to be a desktop and I think I hit 'I' and suddenly everything was marked 'A' which I think is auto installed how can I undo that? |
| 04:18.19 | MangosDebian | i dont think we hate ubuntu so much as we use debian and just poke fun at anything != debian :) |
| 04:18.39 | stoned | no |
| 04:18.59 | peterS | nvz: forcefully quit aptitude (kill it from another console or whatever) so its state won't be saved |
| 04:19.00 | stoned | I LOATH and PASSIONATELY HATE Ubuntu. Notice the all caps, yeh, thats how much I hate it. |
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| 04:19.02 | MangosDebian | Grenade: keep in mind you are in a debian channel asking for help for ubuntu. your lucky youve made it this far :) |
| 04:19.16 | Grenade | its better than redhat though ?? |
| 04:19.25 | peterS | Grenade: stop asking us to make value judgments |
| 04:19.29 | Grenade | ok ok |
| 04:19.31 | stoned | bah, debian is king! |
| 04:19.34 | Grenade | i'll stop |
| 04:19.34 | urso_ | i really like more debian organization but ubuntu is more ... user friendly ... like can install ati and compiz |
| 04:19.38 | nvz | peterS: will it matter that I went ahead and purged everything anyhow ? heh |
| 04:19.39 | peterS | Grenade: use ubuntu or don't use it, it's off-topic here. we don't care if you use ubuntu or if you use red hat |
| 04:20.09 | nvz | I'm probably not going to use aptitude on this box ever again anyhow so I guess it doesnt matter |
| 04:20.16 | stoned | why not? |
| 04:20.17 | Grenade | i was just curious if I was going to end up hating this down the line or wishing I had used something else |
| 04:20.20 | stoned | aptitude kicks butt |
| 04:20.24 | Grenade | sorry. |
| 04:20.32 | nvz | I just had a crapload of X/desktop related packages to remove and aptitude seemed to be the way to do it. |
| 04:20.37 | peterS | Grenade: if you want to use something similar to debian without actually using debian, obviously ubuntu is more similar. but when it comes to tricky support questions, we can't really support ubuntu. (for one thing, many people are grumpy about doing someone else's support work for them, for free.) too many little things turn out to be different after all. |
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| 04:21.00 | urso_ | urgg i think is good someone have some ideia thta can join debian and ubuntu :X o0 0o it will be great :X |
| 04:21.08 | urso_ | and the others distros to |
| 04:21.10 | urso_ | :x |
| 04:21.20 | nvz | stoned: aptitude is slower and does too much fancy shit for just indicating exactly what packages I want to install which would be all I'll ever do once this machine is cleaned up.. I purged all X packages, now I gotta run deborphan to clean up libs |
| 04:21.35 | stoned | wait |
| 04:21.40 | stoned | nvz: where the hell did you come from? |
| 04:21.44 | peterS | urso_: if you don't have a proposal and some time you're willing to devote to implementing it, just _talking_ about "merging" distributions isn't very useful. and not very interesting, frankly |
| 04:22.02 | stoned | whoah man I didn't see you there and I probably was talking to you hahaha |
| 04:22.17 | nvz | stoned: its a long story.. you see my mother.. and my father.. |
| 04:22.28 | stoned | lol |
| 04:22.32 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.33 | peterS | / \ |
| 04:22.34 | stoned | that almost went over my head |
| 04:22.40 | stoned | haha knew you were gonna do that |
| 04:22.43 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: you back ? |
| 04:22.52 | nvz | is there any reason I would need dbus on a webserver? I'm not sure wtf its even for |
| 04:23.04 | urso_ | peterS isnt it very usseful .. to ... we need to change for distro to make something thta in theother dont have it ... |
| 04:23.05 | peterS | nvz: can't think of any server apps that use dbus - who knows |
| 04:23.09 | stoned | I'm getting fat |
| 04:23.13 | Quintin | nvz: inter process communication. and no you would not |
| 04:23.13 | Grenade | peterS: is it still possible to do a net install via a few floppies ? ... of debian |
| 04:23.25 | stoned | Grenade: yes |
| 04:23.25 | peterS | urso_: who is "we"? you? or are you saying someone _else_ should do the work instead of you? |
| 04:23.27 | stoned | !ig |
| 04:23.27 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 04:23.42 | stoned | Grenade: read sections 3 and 4 and 5 of the install guide |
| 04:23.51 | peterS | Grenade: I think you need 3 floppies, plus either an internet connection or a CD. |
| 04:24.10 | Grenade | all out of blanks but i have 3.5's ! |
| 04:24.22 | urso_ | peterS options ... that one have and the others dont |
| 04:24.23 | stoned | Grenade: you have an OS on the computer already? |
| 04:24.28 | stoned | Grenade: you dont' even need floppies |
| 04:24.34 | Grenade | ok |
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| 04:24.35 | urso_ | netinstall for exemple :) |
| 04:24.57 | peterS | urso_: do you have a proposal and some time to work on your ideas? or are you just talking? |
| 04:24.57 | stoned | Grenade: you can install debian from another os |
| 04:25.14 | Grenade | solves that problem of figuring out how to write to floppy in linux |
| 04:25.23 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 04:25.37 | peterS | Grenade: writing to a floppy in linux is pretty easy: cp /tmp/floppy-1.img /dev/fd0 |
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| 04:28.29 | nvz | ah fuck.. apparently I was using this pc.. its got 10gb or so of crap on it.. I'm gonna have to take a damn hd down there tomorrow and put it in there to move all this shit off.. can't hardly run a webserver with a 15gb HD thats all filled without any websites on it |
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| 04:28.31 | meteor-1500 | hi - i'm doing something stupid, i've just compiled a new kernel from the linux source package on etch, copied the bzImage to /boot and added it to grub menu.lst, but every time i try to boot it i get vfs panic couldn't open root fs |
| 04:28.36 | urso_ | peterS you right :) |
| 04:28.54 | meteor-1500 | i've got root=/dev/hda1 ro on the end of the kernel entry in grub menu.lst, like all the other automatically added ones |
| 04:29.10 | meteor-1500 | only thing different on mine entry is no listing of initrd |
| 04:29.17 | MangosDebian | nvz: how much html your website gonna take up man? |
| 04:29.28 | cast | meteor-1500: and you compiled in the fs driver? |
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| 04:29.43 | cast | meteor-1500: use make-kpkg btw :) |
| 04:29.48 | meteor-1500 | yeah double checked that, ext2 and ext3 are turned on |
| 04:31.31 | nvz | MangosDebian: no idea.. its going to host multiple sites.. but of a 15gb drive 11 is used already and there's no content. this used to be a desktop I'm in the middle of cleaning it up and making it into a webserver.. there is only 2gb free |
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| 04:32.30 | MangosDebian | nvz: well, im sure 2gb would do for many sites, but aside from that, a 15gb is clearly old. I would be more concerned with how long the drive has left to live more than space :) |
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| 04:34.12 | nvz | MangosDebian: we'll be budgeting a new server next year, right now I'm just trying to get something up.. and this was donated |
| 04:34.33 | nvz | MangosDebian: its a Slot A Athlon system ffs.. I think the hd will out live the rest of it |
| 04:35.05 | MangosDebian | :) |
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| 04:35.12 | cafuego | nvz: just make sure you back it up nightly |
| 04:35.24 | MangosDebian | or every few seconds.... |
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| 04:36.01 | cafuego | actually, just run the sites off an nfs mounted *other* disk ;-) |
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| 04:36.48 | MangosDebian | i would use usb drive personally. things be plenty fast once the caches are in full effect |
| 04:37.32 | urso_ | peterS looks it is one dificult problem ... |
| 04:37.58 | peterS | urso_: only if you consider it a problem at all |
| 04:38.03 | nvz | cafuego: might be able to arrange that... the secretary has her server sitting right next to it that she backs up all her stuff onto tapes |
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| 04:38.45 | nvz | cafuego: the web developers will have backups anyhow.. I'm not really worried about that |
| 04:38.49 | urso_ | peterS this only makes all us more week |
| 04:39.00 | peterS | I'm OK with that |
| 04:39.07 | nvz | cafuego: heh, I'm not your typical admin as you can see :P |
| 04:39.09 | jetscreamer | what in the kernel controls being able to mount partitions by their UUID |
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| 04:39.25 | cafuego | nvz: driff-backup is my latest best friend |
| 04:39.30 | cafuego | rdiff-backup even |
| 04:39.33 | jetscreamer | and/or packages |
| 04:39.37 | peterS | jetscreamer: nothing in the kernel. it's all about the mount program scanning filesystems for UUID and finding the correct one |
| 04:40.42 | jetscreamer | peterS: so even if i can mount something the 'normal' /dev/hdwhatever , might being 'user' instead of root bork that filesystem scan for the uuid? |
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| 04:41.39 | jetscreamer | inabit |
| 04:42.08 | peterS | jetscreamer: yeah I haven't tested that. I suspect mount will behave the same with UUID=foo in /etc/fstab as with a normal /dev/hdwhatever entry there |
| 04:42.44 | nvz | would be nice if this PC had WOL I can shut it down remotely but can't start it back up |
| 04:42.52 | jetscreamer | it keeps not working for me, but does, then doesn't... a slimmed down but basically still just like the stock kernels kernel |
| 04:43.12 | nvz | I'm just gonna shut it down after I upgrade and take another hd down there tomorrow to get all my crap off there |
| 04:43.16 | jetscreamer | all i do is hit n on hardware i don't have |
| 04:43.39 | Yea10354 | i have a .deb how do i install it manually ? |
| 04:43.42 | jetscreamer | why i wondered kernel |
| 04:43.44 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i |
| 04:43.50 | TheNinja | why all of a sudden when i do apt-get install libapahce2-php5 when i have apahce1 that all my domains now point to apache2-default |
| 04:43.53 | TheNinja | and ic an't get it back working? |
| 04:44.53 | jetscreamer | Yea10354: ^^ |
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| 04:47.07 | nvz | I just remembered I have keys to the borough building I can take a damn drive down there now.. don't have to wait till morning |
| 04:47.54 | urso_ | linux is strange ... |
| 04:48.12 | nvz | gotta wait for this upgrade to finish though so I can shut it down.. cause the server has no video card, and no keyboard, and what I dont have is the password to the secretary's pc |
| 04:48.16 | mandingo | urso_ is strange too... |
| 04:48.31 | urso_ | mandingo thank you :) |
| 04:48.34 | mandingo | haha |
| 04:49.13 | urso_ | hummm |
| 04:49.35 | urso_ | peterS unless :) |
| 04:49.51 | urso_ | well good night :) |
| 04:52.08 | Grenade | i find it amusing that when i booted with the debian netinstall floppy it booted out the ubuntu cd that was in the drive |
| 04:52.56 | Grenade | ok maybe it wasn't all that funny |
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| 04:55.06 | mortal5 | can anyone tell me how to check the cluster size of a partition? I believe it's 4k but i'm not sure |
| 04:58.20 | karsten | mortal5: dumpe2fs should do that. |
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| 04:59.07 | smitty | does anyone know how to caldav? |
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| 04:59.23 | karsten | !anyone |
| 04:59.23 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 05:00.00 | karsten | mortal5: I don't find "cluster" size, but there's blocksize. |
| 05:00.17 | mortal5 | karsten, perhaps that's what i'm looking for |
| 05:00.32 | karsten | mortal5: You'll have sectors and cylinders on the raw device itself, fdisk will report that. |
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| 05:01.55 | nvz | hmm does setting the delay in grub to 0 make it wait indefinately? |
| 05:02.33 | karsten | nvz: man grub ;-) (actually: pinfo grub due to GNU manpage brain deadedness) |
| 05:02.53 | smitty | nobody knows how to setup a caldav? |
| 05:02.54 | nvz | I think I already know the answer to that question.. heh |
| 05:03.18 | karsten | nvz: Checking. |
| 05:04.00 | karsten | nvz: !@#$%^&*() info doesn't say. "Set a timeout in SEC seconds before automatically booting the default entry |
| 05:04.15 | nvz | I set it to 0 thinking that would just boot and remove the 4 sec delay but I had not rebooted it since I made the change.. I just walked down there and put another HD in and it's not responding now.. so I am gussing its sitting at the fucking grub screen |
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| 05:04.37 | nvz | I guess I gotta walk down there and put a video card in and boot it up and fix that |
| 05:05.06 | Supaplex | before I even attempt to patch debugfs, , mkfs.ext2, tune2fs or badblocks - is there anyway to modify the badblocks list w/o reformatting? |
| 05:05.20 | karsten | Supaplex: Not sure of that. |
| 05:05.44 | karsten | Supaplex: What kind of disk? I know SCSI manages that for you, not sure about SATA. |
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| 05:06.39 | Supaplex | I'm not interested in the underlying block storage media, only the "bad blocks list" as ext2 offers |
| 05:06.57 | Supaplex | otherwise, I have to use mkfs.ext2 -c |
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| 05:07.38 | MangosDebian | badblocks in IDE? |
| 05:07.43 | Supaplex | humm how would I simulate it in qemu? :-p |
| 05:07.48 | MangosDebian | you shouldnt even see them |
| 05:07.58 | Supaplex | it's flash media |
| 05:08.02 | MangosDebian | ahh nm |
| 05:08.21 | mortal5 | nite ppl, ty all |
| 05:08.21 | Supaplex | backups are mostly sane. |
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| 05:08.35 | Supaplex | I guess I'm just driven a little ... |
| 05:08.40 | MangosDebian | get in the habit of par'ing your backups :) |
| 05:08.43 | karsten | Supaplex: Simulate what? |
| 05:08.55 | Supaplex | karsten: media errors |
| 05:08.57 | MangosDebian | i think you need to call badblocks list during format though |
| 05:09.24 | karsten | Supaplex: Well, you could write a buggy disk driver ;-) |
| 05:09.29 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 05:09.30 | Supaplex | MangosDebian: yea. you'd think tune2fs or debugfs would allow you to list/set badblocks. |
| 05:09.43 | Supaplex | I guess. hehe. |
| 05:10.10 | MangosDebian | im surprised they dont, unless its some hidden/obscure command |
| 05:10.15 | karsten | Supaplex: That's a good question, frankly. |
| 05:10.22 | MangosDebian | ya, very |
| 05:10.39 | MangosDebian | not something ive had to deal with yet myself tbh |
| 05:10.41 | Supaplex | I'll sniff bts to for any hints. |
| 05:10.54 | MangosDebian | why not just practice on a loopback? |
| 05:11.00 | Supaplex | I think this is makes atleast five times I've wanted this. |
| 05:11.10 | MangosDebian | just dd some random bits and fsck up the fs and play with badblocks and tools |
| 05:11.15 | Supaplex | I suppose I'd have to list the badblocks first. there's no way to see them. |
| 05:11.38 | karsten | Supaplex: Yeah, I did think of dd'ing the bad device over, but I'm not sure about how that's actually going to transfer. |
| 05:11.45 | Supaplex | I know badblocks has a 'keep existing' flag, but I don't think it'll show em |
| 05:12.26 | karsten | Supaplex: Might want to find out how badblocks determines that a block is in fact bad. |
| 05:12.32 | Supaplex | I have a backup ala dd conv=noerror. debugfs has some issues regardless |
| 05:12.33 | Supaplex | debugfs: icheck 155708 |
| 05:12.33 | Supaplex | icheck: Can't read next inode while doing inode scan |
| 05:13.09 | karsten | Supaplex: Might find the Linux Testing Project and ask there, this is the sort of thing they might play with. |
| 05:13.10 | MangosDebian | karsten: pretty sure badblocks down various read/write tests with diff patterns like a memtest would |
| 05:13.13 | Supaplex | I get the impression ext2 just stores an array of bad blocks. maybe it's a dummy inode, with blocks allocated to it being the bad block list. |
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| 05:13.28 | karsten | Supaplex: Testing HW is the sort of thing that emulo of b0rken stuff would be useful. |
| 05:13.35 | Supaplex | the read/write tests are .. actually a trivial consern |
| 05:13.43 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: my friend its still not working lol |
| 05:13.53 | Supaplex | forgive my asking how to simulate it, I'm most intrested in modifying the filesystem "bad block list" |
| 05:14.11 | jetscreamer | but a new hd |
| 05:14.13 | jetscreamer | buy |
| 05:14.21 | karsten | Supaplex: Right. Simulating a partition w/ badblocks would be one road there. |
| 05:14.22 | jetscreamer | you hiding data? |
| 05:14.36 | karsten | What |
| 05:14.45 | jetscreamer | no, why |
| 05:14.51 | karsten | What's a non-sucky console browser other than links or w3m? |
| 05:14.55 | karsten | ... or lynx. |
| 05:14.59 | Supaplex | elinks |
| 05:15.00 | jetscreamer | elinks is one |
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| 05:15.19 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: SWEETR its working :P i didnt have the debootstrap syntax right |
| 05:15.39 | Supaplex | Yea10354: having fun yet? :) |
| 05:15.57 | Yea10354 | well |
| 05:16.08 | Supaplex | yes, buying a replacement media is sound advice. I'm not oppose to it. I have replacement media on the way (RMA). |
| 05:16.19 | Yea10354 | does it say its done or odes it just stop lol ? |
| 05:16.28 | karsten | How do you navigate in elinks? hjkl doesn't seem to work. |
| 05:16.33 | Supaplex | but this issue is .. just a little annoying for me, seeing how I've ran into it before. seems like a gotcha. |
| 05:16.47 | MangosDebian | Supaplex: loose your backup data? |
| 05:16.49 | Supaplex | karsten: I use the mouse :p |
| 05:17.13 | Supaplex | MangosDebian: no, all the data is here. it appears the /usr/bin/stat is the only affected file. |
| 05:17.26 | Supaplex | and i have backups to, two generations of them |
| 05:17.40 | Supaplex | it's a tiny 256mb CF for / |
| 05:17.47 | Supaplex | just a toy. |
| 05:17.49 | MangosDebian | ahh |
| 05:17.57 | MangosDebian | apt-cache show par |
| 05:18.12 | Supaplex | !+info par |
| 05:18.13 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 05:18.16 | karsten | Supaplex: ssh session |
| 05:18.16 | dpkg | par: (Paragraph reformatter), section text, is optional. Version: 1.52-1 (sid), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
| 05:18.26 | MangosDebian | ^^ very handy, but only for archives, wouldnt recommend it for indivual files in a fs |
| 05:19.05 | Supaplex | don't worry about it. anyway, time to research :) |
| 05:20.17 | MangosDebian | !+into par2 |
| 05:20.26 | MangosDebian | thats the one sorry ;) |
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| 05:20.36 | MangosDebian | !+info par2 |
| 05:20.38 | Yea10354 | man |
| 05:20.39 | dpkg | par2: (Parity Archive Volume Set, for checking and repair of files), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.4-9 (sid), Packaged size: 108 kB, Installed size: 280 kB |
| 05:20.49 | Yea10354 | i did this debootstrap but i cant chroot into the dir |
| 05:20.52 | Yea10354 | no /bin/bash |
| 05:21.03 | Supaplex | MangosDebian: I can reinstall stat. |
| 05:21.29 | Yea10354 | actually it is there |
| 05:21.29 | Yea10354 | WTF |
| 05:21.32 | Supaplex | Yea10354: uh, did it install everything? bash is part of the base. |
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| 05:21.57 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: chroot /dir/to/mnt /bin/bash |
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| 05:22.14 | Yea10354 | its in /bin/bash |
| 05:22.17 | Yea10354 | but |
| 05:22.20 | Yea10354 | well let me try ut |
| 05:22.24 | Supaplex | Yea10354: chroot /path su - |
| 05:23.12 | Yea10354 | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 05:23.14 | Yea10354 | lol |
| 05:23.16 | Yea10354 | but its there |
| 05:23.30 | Supaplex | Yea10354: ls -l /bin/bash /chroot/bin/bash |
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| 05:23.56 | wols_ | are the libs bash needs in the chroot too? |
| 05:24.24 | Yea10354 | what will that do ? |
| 05:24.30 | zu22 | argh problem with ALSA, running testing release, sound was working last time i used machine, something got upgraded which now seems to have broken it, using mpg123 to play same .mp3 file i usually play to test and it says: Creating link /root/.kde/socket-netrek. can't create mcop directory what the heck has KDE got to do with sound? i run GNOME not KDE (ugh) |
| 05:24.33 | Supaplex | Yea10354: man ls |
| 05:24.45 | zu22 | and lsmod shows my maestro3 sound driver and the other ac97 ones |
| 05:25.43 | user1__ | anyone suggest a good notebook? i want it small and light, long battery life, fast with 1G ram or above, and cheap |
| 05:25.49 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: im finding this riducoulous noticing that /bin/bash is right there |
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| 05:26.35 | Yea10354 | its right there in the /bin/bash |
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| 05:26.40 | zu22 | what is going on with ALSA? |
| 05:26.57 | CaT[tm] | it's existing. |
| 05:26.58 | Supaplex | Yea10354: "this"? as in the error, or my request to ls -l /bin/bash and /chroot/bin/bash ? if chroot doesn't find the /bin/bash below the chroot, it cannot run it. show us the complete command line you're using. |
| 05:27.47 | Yea10354 | i was just using chroot /mnt/sda1 << which is where my real server hard drive is mounted too |
| 05:28.11 | zu22 | i meant anyone help with my problem < |
| 05:28.12 | Supaplex | Yea10354: so is /mnt/sda1/bin/bash executable? |
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| 05:30.15 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: how do i check ? :P |
| 05:30.16 | cafuego | Yea10354: The chroot is maybe a different architecture or depends on a different libc6? |
| 05:30.22 | zu22 | Supaplex: any ideas, it was working fine a few days ago, didnt see any alsa packages upgraded since then |
| 05:30.36 | cafuego | Yea10354: start with 'ldd /mnt/sda1/bin/bash' |
| 05:30.42 | zu22 | and lsmod shows my maestro3 module and the ac97 ones like normal |
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| 05:31.25 | Supaplex | Yea10354: ls -l |
| 05:31.52 | cahoot | zu22, 22 try invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 05:31.57 | Yea10354 | i see its output |
| 05:32.04 | Yea10354 | what am i looking for though ? |
| 05:32.06 | zu22 | cahoot: ok |
| 05:32.41 | zu22 | cahoot: Resetting ALSA card 0...done. |
| 05:32.53 | Supaplex | Yea10354: ldd? or ls? |
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| 05:34.23 | zu22 | cahoot: when i was typing after i did that i heard terminal beeps (didnt before) but when i went to play "mpg123 foo.mp3" it is giving same error: Creating link /root/.kde/socket-netrek. can't create mcop directory, first i run GNOME not KDE and second i've never heard of mcop |
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| 05:35.25 | cahoot | zu22, aplay gives the same response? |
| 05:35.36 | zu22 | cahoot: lemme try that |
| 05:35.45 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: ldd |
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| 05:36.35 | Supaplex | Yea10354: if the lib is missing, it'll print it different - but test it in the chroot, if the chroot was the issue. |
| 05:36.52 | Supaplex | Yea10354: let's backup a little. didn't you say there were some errors durring the debootstrap? |
| 05:37.24 | zu22 | cahoot: aplay gives a bunch of errors http://pastebin.ca/589773 |
| 05:37.34 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: naw whne i installed the one you showed me it went good downloaded everything extracted everything etc |
| 05:37.36 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: what happens when you try to invoke /mnt/sda1/bin/bash? |
| 05:37.58 | zu22 | cahoot: this is so frustrating cause it worked like 3 days ago, i did apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade (just a few MB of stuff) since then i don't recall it touching any alsa packages |
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| 05:38.27 | cahoot | zu22, yes bad, have to run |
| 05:38.43 | zu22 | cahoot: it's like it can't find the sound card in alsa, and yes my user is in the audio group, i did ps aux to see if any sound stuff running but nothing jumped out at me |
| 05:38.46 | zu22 | cahoot: ok |
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| 05:39.46 | zu22 | and /proc/asound exists and has my card0 in there |
| 05:40.57 | nvz | ugh it would appear as though my 160gb barracuda drive is dead.. machine wouldnt even boot up when I put it in there.. |
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| 05:43.23 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: it runs |
| 05:43.31 | Supaplex | it? |
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| 05:44.26 | nvz | whatever it is, it runs |
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| 05:45.23 | Yea10354 | the /bin/bash |
| 05:45.28 | Yea10354 | i run it and nothing happened |
| 05:45.32 | Yea10354 | so i assume that means it worked |
| 05:45.42 | MangosDebian | you mean /mnt/sda1/bin/bash? or /bin/bash? |
| 05:45.58 | Yea10354 | chroot /mnt/sda1/ |
| 05:45.58 | Yea10354 | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 05:46.12 | MangosDebian | yes, if you type echo $SHLVL it should say like 2 or more |
| 05:46.45 | MangosDebian | and its chroot /mnt/sda1 /bin/bash |
| 05:47.14 | Supaplex | Yea10354: try chroot /mnt/sda1 ls -l /bin/bash |
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| 05:48.04 | Quintin | how do I snoop on a remote ssh user? |
| 05:48.33 | MangosDebian | you dont trust your users? :) |
| 05:48.45 | Supaplex | with screen ;) |
| 05:48.50 | Supaplex | or stand behind them |
| 05:48.55 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 05:49.44 | Quintin | I can't stand behind someone in Denmark when I'm in Indiana |
| 05:49.50 | Quintin | yea, I know I can with screen |
| 05:50.12 | Yea10354 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.12 | Yea10354 | chroot: cannot run command `ls': No such file or directory |
| 05:50.19 | peterS | what do you mean? Indiana is certainly behind Denmark - 6 hours behind it, if I'm not mistaken |
| 05:50.25 | Supaplex | there's some tty watch/snoop stuff, and I there's some /dev/ files that hold the terminal copy |
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| 05:51.05 | Supaplex | Yea10354: ok, so ls -l /mnt/sda1/bin/bash is it there? |
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| 05:51.19 | Supaplex | Yea10354: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:51.37 | Yea10354 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 677184 2006-12-12 03:20 /mnt/sda1/bin/bash |
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| 05:52.02 | Supaplex | that looks normal. |
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| 05:52.21 | chuckkh | any way to format grep's output to work as input for dpkg -i? |
| 05:52.29 | peterS | Supaplex: note it isn't /bin/bash that needs to exist there, but /bin/ls |
| 05:52.33 | Supaplex | Yea10354: try google: chroot "no such file or directory" "/bin/bash" |
| 05:52.42 | peterS | chuckkh: this is what xargs is for |
| 05:52.49 | Supaplex | peterS: he had the same issue with bash |
| 05:53.11 | Supaplex | I guess I thought ls would have less issues. |
| 05:53.25 | peterS | Supaplex: in that case you need to check for /mnt/sda1/lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 05:53.38 | MangosDebian | Supaplex: i be you he's already in the chroot heh |
| 05:53.41 | peterS | (it's a symlink, but it needs to be a valid symlink to a valid executable library) |
| 05:53.51 | Supaplex | MangosDebian: 23:51 < Yea10354> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 677184 2006-12-12 03:20 /mnt/sda1/bin/bash |
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| 05:53.58 | MangosDebian | bah |
| 05:53.59 | chuckkh | peterS: wow |
| 05:54.26 | peterS | chuckkh: yeah, xargs has a lot of options. what you mainly need is grep ... | xargs dpkg -i |
| 05:55.04 | peterS | (i.e., probably with no extra options, perhaps -r is useful though) |
| 05:55.20 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: bind mount your /dev and proc and stuff into the chroot yet? |
| 05:55.39 | peterS | no need to bind-mount proc, just 'mount /proc' once you have got a chroot shell |
| 05:55.41 | MangosDebian | well, just mount for proc, but you get the idea |
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| 05:56.20 | chuckkh | peterS: right, I see that |
| 05:56.27 | chuckkh | perfectly simple- thankye |
| 05:56.39 | peterS | no problem |
| 05:56.52 | Yea10354 | MangosDebian: no those are empty |
| 05:57.11 | Yea10354 | man |
| 05:57.16 | Yea10354 | i cant even get into chroot on that |
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| 05:58.06 | chuckkh | #debian = #piranha-tank |
| 05:58.12 | chuckkh | oops |
| 05:58.26 | chuckkh | not #debian |
| 05:58.51 | Supaplex | !feed f00li5h |
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| 05:59.20 | f00li5h | i've a set of old ipchains rules, what should I be using on a "modern" debian system? |
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| 05:59.46 | LeFallen | f00li5h: iptables |
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| 05:59.47 | Yea10354 | what should i do here |
| 05:59.52 | Yea10354 | i have no clue what to do ? |
| 06:00.01 | f00li5h | LeFallen: so that's the latest and greatst then? |
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| 06:00.41 | LeFallen | f00li5h: Well, there's some other wrapper thingys for it like smoothwall but AFAIK that's all they are - wrappers |
| 06:00.54 | Dharmesh | chukkh: I wonder whether dpkg -i takes input from stdin |
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| 06:01.19 | Supaplex | he lefted |
| 06:01.28 | f00li5h | LeFallen: so just smacking out a shell script should be fine |
| 06:02.11 | Supaplex | Yea10354: like peterS said. is /mnt/sda1/lib/ld-linux.so.2 there? |
| 06:02.56 | Yea10354 | theres nothing in the /lib |
| 06:02.59 | Yea10354 | LOL |
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| 06:03.20 | peterS | actually, Supaplex, note that these days ls has more library dependencies than bash does, since ls supports ACLs, extended attributes and SELinux now (each of which requires a library) |
| 06:03.23 | MangosDebian | f00li5h: nothing wrong with custom scripted iptables rules. just make sure they get reloaded on starup |
| 06:03.38 | Yea10354 | wtf |
| 06:03.42 | Yea10354 | theres stuff in the bin etc |
| 06:03.48 | f00li5h | MangosDebian: i see |
| 06:03.57 | peterS | Yea10354: yeah, well, /lib is pretty important too (: |
| 06:04.47 | Yea10354 | why did it not do it ? |
| 06:04.49 | Yea10354 | wtf ? |
| 06:04.56 | Grenade | MangosDebian: im in the software selection screen of the debian install. tasksel i believe. is it better to install stuff through this interface or use dselect, or a different way. |
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| 06:05.24 | MangosDebian | Grenade: i skip tasksel and just get to a shell asap, but thats me |
| 06:05.44 | Grenade | ok |
| 06:05.50 | MangosDebian | Grenade: if your looking for X though, you may want the desktop env. |
| 06:05.50 | Supaplex | Yea10354: start over :) nuke the chroot, and do it again. |
| 06:06.14 | Supaplex | peterS: yea, I remember that a little late sometimes. :) maybe "/bin/true" is a better choice. hehe. |
| 06:06.18 | Grenade | its mostly a server platform but x might come in handy |
| 06:06.32 | peterS | indeed |
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| 06:06.54 | Supaplex | weird. linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) |
| 06:07.09 | MangosDebian | what lib is that? |
| 06:07.23 | Supaplex | beats me. |
| 06:07.25 | zu22 | what debian package owns mcop? can't find it mentioned in cache search, ALSA stopped working after upgrade now it says: Creating link /root/.kde/socket-netrek. can't create mcop directory |
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| 06:07.47 | peterS | oooh, netrek |
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| 06:08.00 | Supaplex | netrek? |
| 06:08.03 | zu22 | peterS: still alive and kicking (: |
| 06:08.06 | Supaplex | oh nm |
| 06:08.07 | zu22 | netrek is name of my machine |
| 06:08.10 | peterS | Supaplex: it's not a library, that is a phantom library provided at runtime by the Linux kernel, to speed up certain system calls |
| 06:08.22 | Supaplex | heh cool. |
| 06:08.23 | zu22 | anyclue what package provides mcop? |
| 06:08.30 | Quintin | zu22: apt-cache search mcop ? |
| 06:08.31 | Quintin | !searc |
| 06:08.33 | Quintin | !search |
| 06:08.33 | dpkg | somebody said search was try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 06:08.42 | Yea10354 | i know |
| 06:08.42 | Yea10354 | why |
| 06:08.44 | Yea10354 | fuck |
| 06:09.10 | zu22 | Quintin: said i tried apt-cache search and there is no binary, it says trying to create directory mcop but i dont know what app is trying to do that |
| 06:09.15 | Quintin | oh |
| 06:09.17 | MangosDebian | the suspence is kiling us Yea10354 |
| 06:09.20 | Quintin | well |
| 06:09.21 | Yea10354 | lol |
| 06:09.22 | Quintin | I will tell you |
| 06:09.26 | Yea10354 | i know what happened |
| 06:09.28 | Quintin | after I wake up in ~7hrs |
| 06:09.30 | Quintin | nite nite |
| 06:09.33 | Supaplex | !enter |
| 06:09.33 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying, and scrolls our windows extraneously. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. We'll be more inclined to help you if you are considerate! |
| 06:09.35 | MangosDebian | l8r Quintin |
| 06:09.37 | Yea10354 | i did the debootstrap on the network system |
| 06:09.44 | Yea10354 | and it jus made the sda1 folder |
| 06:09.46 | Quintin | cya |
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| 06:09.50 | Yea10354 | but the disk was really not mounted |
| 06:09.59 | Yea10354 | and the network distro ran out of ram |
| 06:10.03 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 06:10.07 | Supaplex | ewps! |
| 06:10.17 | Supaplex | !comfort Yea10354 |
| 06:10.17 | dpkg | There, there, Yea10354. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 06:10.25 | Yea10354 | lol |
| 06:10.26 | MangosDebian | gotta love that kinda stuff |
| 06:10.37 | Yea10354 | this is one crazy ass install thats all im saying |
| 06:10.39 | MangosDebian | and who earlier said something about quota's being useless? :) |
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| 06:11.02 | MangosDebian | well, not that it would matter as root heh, butt still :p |
| 06:11.37 | Supaplex | Yea10354: just imagine if it still worked, and you rebooted to an empty filesystem. :) |
| 06:11.41 | Supaplex | hahahaaa |
| 06:12.01 | Supaplex | the fun part would start with grub yelling "where the $@*$ is / man? |
| 06:12.50 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: yea really |
| 06:13.00 | zu22 | what is the canonical way to search entire filesystem (starting at /" for a file containing the word foo is it 'cd /; find . -name foo -print' or 'cd /; find . -name "*foo*" -print' or something else? |
| 06:13.02 | Yea10354 | i was wonder why it did nsay completed or something |
| 06:13.06 | Yea10354 | but i thouight it worked |
| 06:13.30 | Supaplex | zu22: find / -name foo |
| 06:13.35 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: dont feel bad. im sure we've all wasted several hours before just to find out we had a typo or something equally simple |
| 06:13.52 | zu22 | Supaplex: k thx was getting conflicting advice :) |
| 06:13.53 | Yea10354 | thing is |
| 06:14.00 | Yea10354 | debootstrap just made the directory |
| 06:14.11 | Supaplex | zu22: TMTOWTDI |
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| 06:14.18 | Yea10354 | i actually didnt have a /mnsda1 with the /dev/sda1 mounted to it i had it mounted ot a different dir |
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| 06:14.27 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: your supposed to check to make sure your fs is mounted first you know :p |
| 06:14.27 | Supaplex | Yea10354: you should make the directory, then mount the disk, then debootstrap it. |
| 06:14.36 | zu22 | Supaplex: heh, just to be sure that would also find "abfoocd"? my first attempt only found entries exactly named "foo" |
| 06:14.56 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: thats what i did and i ran debootstrap again and its went farther then last time ;) |
| 06:15.04 | Supaplex | zu22: -name \*foo\* or, -iname \*foo\* finds heyFOOthere.c |
| 06:15.14 | zu22 | Supaplex: cool |
| 06:15.25 | Supaplex | Yea10354: you mean "than last time" |
| 06:15.33 | Yea10354 | yes |
| 06:15.39 | Yea10354 | I: Base system installed successfully. |
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| 06:15.44 | Yea10354 | thats what i was looking ofr |
| 06:15.46 | Yea10354 | !!! |
| 06:15.46 | dpkg | ! is, like, I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
| 06:15.46 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 06:16.08 | zu22 | Supaplex: is find case agnostic? |
| 06:16.10 | Yea10354 | i dont like when shit just stops i like something saying success |
| 06:16.29 | Supaplex | zu22: man find. see the -iname switch, compare with -name. |
| 06:16.35 | zu22 | Supaplex: k |
| 06:16.54 | zu22 | Supaplex: doh i see answer heh spoke few secs too early :) brain lag |
| 06:17.00 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: you should get in the habit of piping stuff through "tee" so you can go back and see what happened |
| 06:17.13 | Supaplex | Yea10354: or use script(1) =) |
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| 06:18.05 | Yea10354 | yea |
| 06:18.06 | chuckkh | last time I swear: how do I make dpkg not downgrade packages? |
| 06:18.06 | Yea10354 | hehehe |
| 06:18.08 | Yea10354 | im chrooted in |
| 06:18.23 | wols_ | chuckkh: it won't downgrade |
| 06:18.29 | chuckkh | it warns me but doesn't ask my permission |
| 06:18.31 | wols_ | unless you explicitly tell it to |
| 06:18.33 | chuckkh | it says it's about to |
| 06:18.37 | wols_ | no it's not |
| 06:18.56 | Yea10354 | only one problem |
| 06:19.01 | chuckkh | I did ^C, are you saying it would ask my permission if I let it go? |
| 06:19.02 | Yea10354 | i dont have a kerrnel |
| 06:19.02 | Supaplex | !tell chuckkh -about downgrade |
| 06:19.14 | chuckkh | heh |
| 06:19.15 | wols_ | I tell you that you are confused what you see |
| 06:19.22 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: sure you do. your using it :) |
| 06:19.25 | Supaplex | Yea10354: rtfm? it's part of the install guide. |
| 06:19.31 | Grenade | this old pc has something vibrating in the case and the pitch sounds just like the turbo engaged in excitebike for nes |
| 06:19.42 | hark | !tell chuckkh -about bat |
| 06:19.43 | chuckkh | "warning: downgrading pkg-name from 0.6 to 0.4" |
| 06:19.44 | Yea10354 | MangosDebian: no no im booted through a network distro at the moment |
| 06:19.44 | Supaplex | I should know. I've read that section too many times. |
| 06:19.56 | nvz | hmm seems I dont have to turn off use_pam in sshd_config as long as I don't permit root logins, and set everyone's password field in /etc/shadow to ! that forces them all to use keys, and disables local logins as well |
| 06:20.00 | Yea10354 | !debootstrap |
| 06:20.00 | dpkg | debootstrap is probably <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 06:20.10 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: whihc manual ? |
| 06:20.14 | Supaplex | !ig |
| 06:20.14 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 06:20.25 | Yea10354 | oo ? |
| 06:20.36 | Yea10354 | so the actual etch install guide |
| 06:20.41 | chuckkh | ok, thanks for the info guys but I'm using dpkg -i |
| 06:20.48 | chuckkh | not apt-get |
| 06:20.53 | Yea10354 | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:20.53 | Yea10354 | 4.0 |
| 06:20.55 | Supaplex | Yea10354: you better bookmark http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 06:20.56 | Yea10354 | that etch right ? |
| 06:21.02 | wols_ | !tell chuckkh about bat |
| 06:21.04 | Supaplex | !tell Yea10354 -about etch |
| 06:21.13 | Yea10354 | good |
| 06:21.15 | Yea10354 | :P |
| 06:21.33 | Supaplex | Yea10354: you and your short term memory loss =) |
| 06:21.43 | chuckkh | aright brb then |
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| 06:22.23 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: if you can chroot, now might be a good time to mount your dev and proc, source your /etc/profile, ldconfig and apt-get a kernel or something |
| 06:22.38 | meteor-1500 | hi i'm trying to setup autologin on a mythtv debian box, copied this line to inittab c7:12345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty --autologin=mythtv tty7 but it doesn't seem to work |
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| 06:22.48 | meteor-1500 | does it have to be in a certain position in the file? |
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| 06:23.09 | MangosDebian | meteor-1500: well, havent looked at the syntax, but did you init q yet? |
| 06:23.19 | Yea10354 | MangosDebian: i can jus apt-get a kerrnel ? |
| 06:23.25 | meteor-1500 | err no, not sure what that is |
| 06:23.33 | MangosDebian | reloads the inittab |
| 06:23.42 | MangosDebian | thus starting/stopping your changes |
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| 06:23.53 | meteor-1500 | well i did a reboot to test it |
| 06:23.55 | MangosDebian | although if you rebooted, that works |
| 06:24.01 | meteor-1500 | and it just came up with a login prompt still |
| 06:24.47 | MangosDebian | well, you can just init q from now on to test the changes to save time |
| 06:25.12 | meteor-1500 | ok ta |
| 06:25.19 | Adriano | hello, all, I need some help with the console: how do I remap caps lock to control? I tried editing boottime.kmap under /etc/console and /etc/console-setup, but on reboot I get capslock again |
| 06:25.27 | MangosDebian | pretty sure you gotta tell getty to avoid the login and just do whatever, some kind of local mode switch. you have to rtfm to find it though |
| 06:25.34 | meteor-1500 | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frontend_Auto_Login <- this is the instructions i've been following |
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| 06:27.10 | Yea10354 | should i compile my kerrnel or |
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| 06:27.15 | Yea10354 | apt-get it ? |
| 06:27.37 | MangosDebian | i would say apt-get, but thats me |
| 06:27.52 | MangosDebian | get yourself into a working install first, then worry about a compile |
| 06:28.24 | Yea10354 | whats the name of the kerrnel :P ? |
| 06:28.25 | MangosDebian | unless you need to compile in order to get drivers for your hard drive or something special, which I doubt you would need to worry about |
| 06:28.35 | MangosDebian | apt-cache search linux kernel :p |
| 06:28.50 | Yea10354 | yea i know :( lol |
| 06:28.57 | MangosDebian | then why you ask lol |
| 06:29.18 | Yea10354 | its been almost 8 hours ;) |
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| 06:29.37 | Yea10354 | btw that didnt display anything hmmm |
| 06:29.44 | MangosDebian | could have installed a whole subnet by now :p |
| 06:30.25 | MangosDebian | i think its like kernel image |
| 06:31.00 | MangosDebian | im refusing to check that on prinicple though |
| 06:31.03 | gpm | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.07 | Yea10354 | i was spelling kernel with two r's |
| 06:31.16 | gpm | er |
| 06:31.22 | cast | *err |
| 06:31.27 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 06:31.35 | Grenade | better than colonel |
| 06:31.39 | meteor-1500 | hrmm ok looks like it is auto logining fine, my .bash_profile is not startxing |
| 06:31.41 | gpm | a cylinder is determined by physical properties of the disk right? |
| 06:31.43 | MangosDebian | cast: now thats bad :) |
| 06:31.52 | gpm | cast: i'll say er however i please. |
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| 06:32.11 | cast | gpm: i think cylinders..etc..disk geometry is all faked, i think |
| 06:32.18 | gpm | faked? |
| 06:32.31 | gpm | that's what i just did |
| 06:32.38 | gpm | :P |
| 06:32.38 | wols_ | gpm: nowadays CHS has nothing to do with actual layout of disk |
| 06:32.43 | gpm | oh |
| 06:32.49 | hark | it's 'er' actually |
| 06:32.50 | meteor-1500 | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frontend_Auto_Login <- could anyone look at the .bash_profile under Option 1 on this page and tell me what might stop that working under debian? |
| 06:32.51 | wols_ | it's all LBA now and CHS is faked for backwards compatility |
| 06:32.56 | Yea10354 | whihc kernel should i get :( theres too many |
| 06:32.59 | MangosDebian | Grenade: Who is this Colonel Panic, and why am I reading about him when it's General Protection's fault? |
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| 06:33.14 | wols_ | e.g. your disk has more sectors per cylinder on the outside as inside. BIOS does not accomodate this with their CHS interface |
| 06:33.24 | wols_ | Yea10354: 2.6.18-4 |
| 06:33.34 | Yea10354 | linux-image-2.6-486 - Linux kernel 2.6 image on x86 |
| 06:33.46 | MangosDebian | Grenade: someone's quit msg, was funny as hell :) |
| 06:33.55 | hark | Yea10354: what cpu? |
| 06:33.58 | Yea10354 | linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 |
| 06:34.02 | zu22 | fixed my sound it was fookin arts which i wasn't even aware was installed gah |
| 06:34.04 | Yea10354 | p4 2.8 ghz |
| 06:34.09 | hark | get the 686 |
| 06:34.12 | wols_ | Yea10354: -686 |
| 06:34.31 | Grenade | MangosDebian: that was pretty good. perfect for 1:30am |
| 06:34.34 | gpm | i don't really get what any of this is for |
| 06:34.37 | Yea10354 | linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 06:34.39 | Yea10354 | so this one ? |
| 06:34.50 | MangosDebian | yup |
| 06:35.05 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: sorry, that was for Grenade |
| 06:35.18 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: but that looks fine |
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| 06:35.39 | cast | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylinder-head-sector ahh there we go |
| 06:35.42 | wols_ | gpm: it's cause ST506 was shit designed (yay ibm) an didn't use LBA |
| 06:36.33 | Yea10354 | it sys i need to make a inirt.img or w/e |
| 06:36.41 | Yea10354 | i think i need to do that before i make the kernel |
| 06:37.08 | MangosDebian | hmm, thought the deb's did all that for you |
| 06:37.17 | Grenade | MangosDebian: how does one get the net install onto a usb flash drive ? |
| 06:37.22 | wols_ | Yea10354: that would be kinda hard to do |
| 06:37.29 | gpm | dd |
| 06:37.35 | Yea10354 | what would be ? wols_ ? |
| 06:37.39 | MangosDebian | Grenade: what gpm said |
| 06:37.40 | wols_ | !tell Grenade about i-g |
| 06:37.51 | wols_ | Yea10354: making an initrd before you make a kernel |
| 06:38.14 | Adriano | help? remapping caps-lock to control on the console? |
| 06:38.19 | MangosDebian | Grenade: i thought you already installed debian? |
| 06:38.23 | Yea10354 | wols_: do i make it before or after ? |
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| 06:38.52 | wols_ | what will you use to make the initrd before you have made the kernel? |
| 06:38.57 | nvz | is the passphrase for an RSA public keypair stored in the public key.. i.e. would changing the passphrase require the server to need a new public key? |
| 06:39.00 | chuckkh | well whoever said dpkg -i cannot downgrade was wrong |
| 06:39.05 | Yea10354 | ok just asking |
| 06:39.09 | Supaplex | Yea10354: afaik, it's taken care of as part of the install process. What's the i-g say? =) |
| 06:39.14 | cast | nvz: nah |
| 06:39.16 | chuckkh | it can and did downgrade a few dozen pkgs before stopping from dependency errors |
| 06:39.28 | cast | nvz: passphrase is just used to protect the secret key |
| 06:39.32 | Supaplex | chuckkh: dpkg -i can downgrade, but apt-get won't |
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| 06:39.41 | MangosDebian | chuckkh: you must be from sid? |
| 06:39.43 | chuckkh | yeah, like I said |
| 06:39.50 | Supaplex | chuckkh: s/won't/isn't designed for it/ |
| 06:39.58 | chuckkh | here's my situation, maybe there's a better way |
| 06:40.15 | chuckkh | I have both Debian and 64studio, which is from Debian, on diff partitions |
| 06:40.22 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: yea man but these messages scare me |
| 06:40.30 | MangosDebian | nvz: pub key meant to be given out |
| 06:40.39 | Yea10354 | is thieir any ncurses gui to configure frub ? |
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| 06:40.40 | chuckkh | I managed to get my wireless working by compiling a new kernel on 64studio |
| 06:40.40 | chuckkh | but then it stopped working |
| 06:40.44 | Yea10354 | im sure thats what it is using |
| 06:40.46 | chuckkh | I decided to compile a kernel with the same .config in the Debian install |
| 06:40.49 | Grenade | MangosDebian: i did, i was just wondering how you did it. i wanted to see if i could get this old machine to boot via usb |
| 06:40.58 | chuckkh | But I didn't have all the gcc files necessary |
| 06:41.04 | nvz | my idea for security on this webserver is to only have local login password for root, and have all other accounts disabled with ! in their password field, and not allow root logins via ssh, then have everyone use RSA keys with passphrase and their authorized_keys files will be read-only and root owned so I can set a specific from="" and it cannot be changed |
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| 06:41.22 | chuckkh | so I wanted to install all the .debs that 64studio had that Debian didn't in order to compile a kernel |
| 06:41.31 | MangosDebian | nvz: although it is common knowledge that pub key encryption is weaker than symmetric since the pub key can be used to help guess the sec key, thus its must larger than symmertric bit length fyi |
| 06:42.03 | chuckkh | and I kept getting warnings that dpkg -i was downgrading, and I posted here asking how to keep dpkg -i from downgrading packages |
| 06:42.03 | chuckkh | and was told over and over that dpkg -i can't downgrade |
| 06:42.26 | nvz | MangosDebian: dont know what you mean by that.. I am going with the default 2048bit RSA public keypair I guess I don't see any reason not to |
| 06:42.30 | wols_ | chuckkh: you explicitly downgraded by telling dpkg exactly what to install |
| 06:42.31 | chuckkh | but my problem is |
| 06:42.36 | wols_ | chuckkh: and that you've been told here |
| 06:42.42 | cast | MangosDebian: that is not why asymmetric keys are longer |
| 06:42.51 | MangosDebian | nvz: just saying that theres a reason why PKI uses 2048 |
| 06:42.51 | chuckkh | I don't want to wade through all the dependencies one file at a time to get the necessary packages in order to compile a kernel |
| 06:42.51 | chuckkh | I see |
| 06:42.54 | MangosDebian | cast: yes it is |
| 06:42.59 | Yea10354 | whats the easiest way to make sure grub is setup right ? |
| 06:43.00 | wols_ | I mean how hard is it NOT to dpkg -i package-0.8 when you have package-1.0 installed? |
| 06:43.14 | Yea10354 | i would hate to configure all this and find out grub wasn't right |
| 06:43.15 | chuckkh | it's hard when it's a list of a hundred files |
| 06:43.30 | cast | MangosDebian: how did you come to this conclusion? |
| 06:43.36 | wols_ | you don#t need that manay for a kernel compile |
| 06:43.37 | MangosDebian | cast: the keylength is larger to compensate for the inherit weakness in asym compared to sym |
| 06:43.44 | chuckkh | this is what I'm saying |
| 06:43.45 | MangosDebian | cast: encryption ebook |
| 06:43.46 | Grenade | To All: Goodnight, my bed is calling, i'll be back tomorrow to hassle you with multitudes of noobish questions. |
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| 06:43.54 | wols_ | gcc. binutils,, kernel-package. make. that's about it? |
| 06:44.02 | chuckkh | I move over the packages I know I need, but then when I try to install, I need this and that file too |
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| 06:44.08 | Yea10354 | is grub installed through a default debian ? |
| 06:44.15 | chuckkh | when I move over and try to install this and that file, I need that and this file too |
| 06:44.16 | wols_ | chuckkh: we don't support ubuntu packages on dbeian btw |
| 06:44.17 | nvz | this security policy I just came up with seems to require someone hacking compromising one of the pcs and the passphrases to get to it.. cause if they somehow get the keys they will only work from the originating machine |
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| 06:44.24 | chuckkh | ok |
| 06:44.35 | wols_ | chuckkh: why can't you compile on ubuntu if it already has all the packages? |
| 06:44.39 | MangosDebian | cast: it has to do with using the pub key to reduce the domain of possibilities of the sec key. thats why its an order of magnatude larger than a sym key |
| 06:44.44 | chuckkh | 64studio; I did |
| 06:44.54 | chuckkh | and the wireless stopped working after I ran Synaptic |
| 06:45.10 | MangosDebian | but its more like 128bit sym = 1024 asym, 2048+ is just for "insurance" :) |
| 06:45.12 | chuckkh | even the ethernet stopped working after I ran Synaptic, when all I installed was a chess program |
| 06:45.19 | wols_ | chuckkh: that doesn't answer my question |
| 06:45.36 | wols_ | why can't you simply build a kernel in ubuntu like you tried in debian? |
| 06:45.37 | chuckkh | are you saying I could compile on 64studio and just move over the .deb pkg to Debian? |
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| 06:46.05 | wols_ | no. I said you should compile a kernel in ubuntu for ubuntu if you need to compile one at all |
| 06:46.07 | chuckkh | I built the kernel FIRST in 64studio, and the wireless worked, but no longer does |
| 06:46.18 | chuckkh | I'm trying to compile a Debian kernel |
| 06:46.20 | wols_ | well,t hen you obviously changed something. unchange it |
| 06:46.27 | chuckkh | ah yes |
| 06:46.31 | wols_ | then use debian gcc for it |
| 06:46.33 | Yea10354 | when i install ssh does it automatically put it in the startup ? |
| 06:46.46 | nvz | idk but I think this damn rsync is b0rked doesnt /seem/ to be doing shit |
| 06:46.50 | chuckkh | make-kpkg fails on Debian |
| 06:46.50 | wols_ | Yea10354: iirc yes. ls /etc/rc2.d/*ssh* |
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| 06:46.57 | chuckkh | doesn't have the right gcc |
| 06:47.13 | Yea10354 | wols_: but i mean when i restart and start up my real server ssh will start right ? :P |
| 06:47.18 | wols_ | right gcc for what? kernel compile or a module compile? |
| 06:47.26 | chuckkh | kernel compile |
| 06:47.32 | wols_ | Yea10354: I told you waht to look for |
| 06:47.32 | cast | MangosDebian: i think we probably agree, in a convoluted way. fwiw 1024 is not comparible to 128bit, maybe 80bit |
| 06:47.35 | nvz | hmm apparently I had that screen window in copy mode or something |
| 06:47.52 | wols_ | chuckkh: a) what debian vresion b) debian comes with more than one gcc c) we are not psychic |
| 06:48.34 | chuckkh | well I think my issue now is that I don't think it will boot |
| 06:48.35 | Yea10354 | wols_: ssh is not in that directory |
| 06:49.06 | nvz | I think when a program throws an error about a broken pipe it should be a clogged pipe error instead.. cause a broken pipe leaks, a clogged pipe just backs up.. heh |
| 06:49.07 | chuckkh | but thanks for verifying: dpkg -i does and will downgrade, like I said |
| 06:49.12 | wols_ | Yea10354: O dodjm |
| 06:49.19 | wols_ | Yea10354: did I ask for ssh? |
| 06:49.43 | Yea10354 | lol |
| 06:49.45 | Yea10354 | sorry |
| 06:49.46 | Yea10354 | im saying |
| 06:49.51 | Yea10354 | theres nothing like that in that dir |
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| 06:50.00 | wols_ | then it won't start |
| 06:50.01 | nvz | idk maybe I'm looking at it wrong |
| 06:50.04 | Yea10354 | actually |
| 06:50.06 | Yea10354 | theres a S20ssh |
| 06:50.20 | wols_ | Yea10354: so you didn't read what I said. as I expected |
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| 06:50.27 | MangosDebian | cast: well, a mathmatician would know the exact numbers to compare for sure, but ya, that sounds fair. ill see if I can dig up the book for ya. good read |
| 06:50.34 | Yea10354 | wols_: you are correct |
| 06:51.00 | roxy_ | what tool can I use to transform eps into svg ? |
| 06:51.04 | Yea10354 | is grub installed on debian by default ? |
| 06:51.14 | wols_ | yes |
| 06:51.30 | wols_ | you can also no install grub if you already have a bootloader. or install lilo |
| 06:51.38 | Yea10354 | i prer lilo |
| 06:51.57 | Yea10354 | how cna i delete grub off the system ? |
| 06:52.12 | Yea10354 | apt-get --purge remove grub ? |
| 06:52.23 | pingouin_ | apt-get remove --purge |
| 06:52.27 | Yea10354 | i deel much more comfortable with lilo |
| 06:52.37 | wols_ | Yea10354: you simply install lilo instead. _then_ purge grub |
| 06:52.51 | pingouin_ | yeah,listen to wols_ |
| 06:52.52 | MangosDebian | cast: got a way to send 5mb? :) |
| 06:52.56 | Yea10354 | why cant i purge grub first ? |
| 06:52.57 | pingouin_ | wise advices |
| 06:53.00 | pingouin_ | better than mine |
| 06:53.22 | cast | MangosDebian: i'm on dialup! don't worry about, |
| 06:53.46 | MangosDebian | cast: heh ok. Handbook of APplied Cryptography is where its from though |
| 06:54.10 | Yea10354 | grub is not even installed |
| 06:55.06 | Yea10354 | wols_: thought you said its there by default ? |
| 06:55.15 | i3d | is there a way to changea file's mtime to an old datetime? |
| 06:55.17 | Yea10354 | or am i looking at something different ? |
| 06:55.34 | wols_ | the debian installer puts it there by default unless you tell it not to |
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| 06:55.48 | Yea10354 | i used deboostrap |
| 06:55.53 | Yea10354 | it didnt even put a kernel |
| 06:56.12 | Yea10354 | where is grubs conf directory ? |
| 06:56.40 | cast | its not supposed to, how is debootstap to know what kernel to put |
| 06:56.56 | Yea10354 | i know im jus saying |
| 06:56.58 | wols_ | Yea10354: /boot/grub/ usually |
| 06:57.01 | Yea10354 | i dont think it put grub either |
| 06:57.06 | Yea10354 | well grub is not installed anyways |
| 06:57.15 | MangosDebian | cast: (key sizes: symmetric key vs. private key) Private keys in public-key systems must be larger (e.g., 1024 bits for RSA) than secret keys in symmetric-key systems (e.g., 64 or 128 bits) because whereas (for secure algorithms) the most efficient attack on symmetrickey systems is an exhaustive key search, all known public-key systems are subject to .shortcut. attacks (e.g., factoring) more efficient than exhaustive search. Cons |
| 06:58.23 | Staz | hmm, what was that command to get the bot to tell me commands to identify my hardware? |
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| 06:58.52 | MangosDebian | thats about the jist of it. but the book also shows you all the math to prove it and actually factor the keys and stuff. albeit not on realistic numbers. cool book though if you got a month to read and univ. level math under your belt :) |
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| 06:59.02 | Yea10354 | wtf |
| 06:59.08 | Yea10354 | liloconfig wont work in a chroot |
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| 06:59.12 | Yea10354 | thats some bull**** |
| 06:59.27 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: whats wrong with grub? :/ |
| 06:59.37 | f00li5h | how do i view a list of installed packages? |
| 06:59.39 | Yea10354 | MangosDebian: ive used lilo for 5 years :D |
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| 06:59.49 | wols_ | f00li5h: dpkg -l |
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| 07:00.05 | f00li5h | wols_: thanks |
| 07:00.08 | mnguyen | Are there any good calendar programs out there for linux (like iCAL)? |
| 07:00.09 | Yea10354 | where exactly is the boot sector ? |
| 07:00.17 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: ya, i was lilo too until I realised how much handier grub was :) |
| 07:00.18 | wols_ | first sector |
| 07:00.23 | Staz | !what is my hardware |
| 07:00.24 | dpkg | Staz: what are you talking about? |
| 07:00.27 | Yea10354 | i started my partition at 1 |
| 07:00.32 | Staz | hmm it was something like that |
| 07:00.35 | wols_ | Staz: what do you want to know? |
| 07:00.36 | Yea10354 | will that break when i write the master boot record ? |
| 07:00.58 | wols_ | Yea10354: no. you won't be able to put the first sector of your hdd inside a partition |
| 07:01.03 | Staz | there was a nice bot command that would tell me software that can identify my hardware. |
| 07:01.05 | wols_ | the MBR also stores the partition table you know... |
| 07:01.11 | Staz | eg : lsusb, lspci etc |
| 07:01.24 | wols_ | Staz: if you already know, why ask? |
| 07:01.37 | Staz | There were more than just those :) |
| 07:01.44 | Yea10354 | wols_: i did not know |
| 07:01.51 | wols_ | well, there is lcpcmcia |
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| 07:03.52 | Yea10354 | do i have to also put the inir.img or w/e in the bootloader config ? |
| 07:04.34 | wols_ | Yea10354: use grub |
| 07:04.47 | wols_ | or learn finally how to use lilo |
| 07:04.51 | Yea10354 | lol |
| 07:04.53 | Yea10354 | i mean |
| 07:04.56 | Yea10354 | on slackware i didnt |
| 07:05.00 | Yea10354 | i wasnt sure about debiian |
| 07:05.00 | ctp | hi folks. i am confused. mounting a nfs share directly works fine. same mount options in /etc/fstab and mounting using fstab dont work. the mount command hangs. any idea whats going wrong? |
| 07:05.02 | ctp | mount -o rw,rsize=4096,wsize=4096,hard,intr,noatime,async,nodev,nosuid 192.168.1.50:/srv/nfs /mnt |
| 07:05.08 | ctp | and in my fstab |
| 07:05.16 | Yea10354 | wols_: sorry for so many questions but its a 1 shot thing if i dont get it right the first time ............im done for |
| 07:05.21 | ctp | 195.168.1.50:/srv/nfs /mnt nfs rw,rsize=4096,wsize=4096,hard,intr,noatime,async,nodev,nosuid 0 0 |
| 07:06.18 | wols_ | Yea10354: that doesn't change what I said |
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| 07:08.02 | Yea10354 | install=/boot/boot.b |
| 07:08.09 | Yea10354 | is that created or do i need that ? |
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| 07:08.53 | wols_ | see above |
| 07:09.31 | Yea10354 | im jus curious |
| 07:09.38 | Yea10354 | it didnt throw any errors im jus curious what it is |
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| 07:10.25 | Yea10354 | ok so its created |
| 07:10.27 | Yea10354 | boostrap code |
| 07:11.26 | piper69 | hi all |
| 07:11.37 | Jello | mmm, what server do I need to add to my sources.list for a 'contrib - unstable' ? :\ |
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| 07:13.56 | earthian | hello colleagues! |
| 07:14.23 | Yea10354 | uh oh i think we havea problem |
| 07:14.39 | earthian | how do i do apt-get dist-upgrade by skipping one package? |
| 07:14.44 | Yea10354 | it cant write to the MBR from the chroot |
| 07:14.59 | roxy_ | Jello: no new server, just add contrib at the end of the line. You don't want to use unstable. |
| 07:15.21 | earthian | Yea10354, how so? you have to have correct /dev/ /proc/ and /sys/ in chroot too tho |
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| 07:15.28 | piper69 | anyonw got micro$oft wireless keyboard model 1027 working with debian |
| 07:15.47 | Jello | "sauerbraten" isn't stable :( |
| 07:16.03 | wols_ | !tell piper69 about anyone |
| 07:16.07 | earthian | Yea10354, i always restore grub in mbr from my ubuntu livecd by chrooting into debian :p |
| 07:16.11 | wols_ | Jello: but it's tasty! |
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| 07:16.46 | Jello | I just test it, it's just for lan, no big security problem I think |
| 07:17.11 | roxy_ | Jello: If you want up to date stuff, use testing. |
| 07:17.17 | wols_ | Jello: sauerbraten is a german meat dish |
| 07:17.42 | Yea10354 | earthian: but a kernel has been loaded |
| 07:17.44 | Yea10354 | dammmit |
| 07:18.24 | Yea10354 | Warning: LBA32 addressing assumed |
| 07:18.24 | Yea10354 | Reading boot sector from /dev/sda |
| 07:18.24 | Yea10354 | Fatal: Trying to map files from unnamed device 0x000b (NFS/RAID mirror down ?) |
| 07:18.28 | piper69 | ok, i have a M$ wirelless keyboard model 1027, i am using it right now but some of the keys are not working, e.g play/pause or calc or email button |
| 07:18.29 | Yea10354 | anyoneknow anything about this ? |
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| 07:18.56 | piper69 | !tell Yea10354 about anyone |
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| 07:19.04 | piper69 | wols_: ;) |
| 07:19.55 | earthian | Yea10354, i dont know about your issue..sorry. It sounds like your block device is fuked or so? |
| 07:20.09 | Yea10354 | no idea |
| 07:20.26 | earthian | Yea10354, what hard disk config are you using? |
| 07:20.45 | Yea10354 | huh ? |
| 07:20.50 | Yea10354 | man this is dirivng me crazy |
| 07:20.55 | Yea10354 | got the whole system kernel etc |
| 07:21.00 | Yea10354 | now i jus nee to write the MBR |
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| 07:22.08 | Yea10354 | wow |
| 07:22.10 | Yea10354 | this is crazy |
| 07:22.14 | earthian | Yea10354, what are you hard disks? For example I have one PATA HDD on the same channel as CDROM and then TWO SATA HDDs connected into a software raid and managed by DMRAID thing for kernel |
| 07:22.21 | wols_ | piper69: http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=multimedia+keys+under+linux |
| 07:22.33 | Yea10354 | earthian: its a server and its not local and it has 1 SATTA ddrive |
| 07:22.36 | earthian | i dont have a problem writing to mbr of any hdd tho |
| 07:22.39 | Jello | How can I see the total traffic of my server? ifconfig just show it from the last boot, or should I script it |
| 07:22.44 | earthian | i see Yea10354 |
| 07:22.48 | Yea10354 | this is really crazy |
| 07:23.09 | Yea10354 | i have 99 percento f the way but i csant finish becasue i cant write to mbr |
| 07:23.28 | wols_ | Jello: iptraf? |
| 07:23.37 | Yea10354 | maybe i will try grub |
| 07:23.45 | Yea10354 | does grub have some kind of config tool ? |
| 07:23.55 | earthian | oh |
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| 07:24.11 | earthian | what with was you trying to write to your mbr? :x |
| 07:24.39 | earthian | Yea10354, grub is perfect bootloader imp |
| 07:24.41 | roxy_ | Jello: what server ? mail,web,app... |
| 07:24.41 | earthian | imo* |
| 07:25.08 | piper69 | wols_: i do appreciate that, but i can't see instruction for debian in there |
| 07:25.09 | Jello | just the general data (webserver), the traffic that you see on 'ifconfig' |
| 07:25.20 | Jello | ifconfig => RX bytes:770575934 (734.8 MiB) TX bytes:19473288 (18.5 MiB) |
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| 07:25.52 | Jello | but when you reboot, it starts from 0, I want a complete number to see, 'waaw, already xxx gb' :\ |
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| 07:25.56 | Yea10354 | what is the easiest way to setup grub ? |
| 07:26.15 | earthian | Yea10354, enter grub shell by typing "grub" in the terminal then write these: device (hd0) /dev/whatever_hdd_you_have_there then after that root (hd0,x) where x is your /boot partition with all the grub files already present and after that type "setup (hd0)" to write mbr |
| 07:26.25 | Jello | I tought, when he shutdown, a command that filter the numbers and write them down... a good idea? |
| 07:26.43 | earthian | Yea10354, on debian i believe ti should be automatically done by apt-get install grub? :S |
| 07:27.01 | Yea10354 | when i type in grub i got an empty shell |
| 07:27.06 | earthian | yes |
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| 07:27.18 | earthian | there you would set device, root and setup |
| 07:27.23 | Yea10354 | my drive is sda1 root file system |
| 07:27.26 | earthian | type help for commands |
| 07:27.43 | earthian | and believe it or not - google is your friend :P |
| 07:28.00 | roxy_ | Jello: you can have traffic without having a webserver. |
| 07:28.01 | Yea10354 | google is killing me today |
| 07:29.14 | Jello | well, there is a webserver, but als fileserver etc, juist want to have the sum of the traffic of the netwerkinterface but not since last reboot maar since 'now' |
| 07:29.20 | earthian | Yea10354, try looking at http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/141.html BUT BE CAUTIOUS AS IT COULD NOT WORK ON YOUR SYSTEM! |
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| 07:30.22 | roxy_ | Jello: what webserver are you talking about ? what fileserver are you talking about ? most of them will log trafic. |
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| 07:30.51 | Yea10354 | i installed grub but it did not make no /boot/grub dir |
| 07:30.56 | Jello | just standard debian with apache2, ftp, samba |
| 07:31.14 | Jello | But I want also the games, so I think that I'll need to read 'ifconfig' on the shutdown |
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| 07:31.35 | roxy_ | Jello: you have a game server ? |
| 07:31.52 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: did you run grub-install? |
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| 07:32.44 | Jello | everything is only on lan, but indeed, also games etc |
| 07:33.03 | roxy_ | Jello: or you don't care about your servers and are trying know total network traffic ? |
| 07:33.07 | Yea10354 | grub-install /dev/sda |
| 07:33.07 | Yea10354 | /dev/sda: Not found or not a block device. |
| 07:33.51 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: fdisk -l, ls -l /dev/sda |
| 07:34.58 | Yea10354 | invalid option |
| 07:35.05 | Yea10354 | i shoukd have the drive umount correct ? |
| 07:35.06 | Yea10354 | :P |
| 07:35.15 | earthian | Yea10354, no |
| 07:35.17 | MangosDebian | no, just plugged in |
| 07:35.25 | MangosDebian | this is a usb stick i assume? |
| 07:35.33 | Yea10354 | ooo |
| 07:35.36 | Yea10354 | no man |
| 07:35.40 | Yea10354 | its my drive |
| 07:35.45 | earthian | MangosDebian, its sata |
| 07:35.49 | MangosDebian | ah |
| 07:35.58 | Yea10354 | i cant run any kind of MBR toolls on this thing for nothing |
| 07:35.59 | MangosDebian | and fdisk -l doesnt show anything? |
| 07:36.13 | earthian | Yea10354, does the drive appear under /dev/ ? |
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| 07:36.46 | Yea10354 | yes |
| 07:37.06 | earthian | Yea10354, fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 07:37.20 | Yea10354 | yep i see my partitions |
| 07:37.24 | earthian | kk |
| 07:37.35 | earthian | they are mounted somewhere? |
| 07:37.49 | Jello | roxy_: indeed, If I have a way the split the data (between the ( and )), from "RX bytes:770983539 (735.2 MiB) TX bytes:21985666 (20.9 MiB)", then I've the solution |
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| 07:38.00 | Yea10354 | i umounted them |
| 07:38.19 | earthian | make /target then mount to there then make sure your mount /target/boot also |
| 07:38.41 | earthian | then mount all the /target/dev/ /target/proc/ /target/sys/ |
| 07:38.43 | Yea10354 | im lost |
| 07:38.45 | earthian | then chroot |
| 07:38.49 | Yea10354 | do i want the drive mounted ? |
| 07:38.49 | earthian | and apt-get install grub |
| 07:39.02 | roxy_ | Jello: use sed if you want to split the data |
| 07:39.06 | earthian | you need grub on that drive right? |
| 07:39.16 | Yea10354 | i cant chroot and do it becasue in chroot it doesnt see my sata drive |
| 07:39.17 | earthian | Yea10354, where are you now? what is your root? |
| 07:39.29 | earthian | Yea10354, because you need to mount /dev |
| 07:39.41 | Yea10354 | o shit your right |
| 07:39.42 | earthian | do " mount --bind /dev/ /target/dev/ " |
| 07:40.20 | earthian | Yea10354, chroot only when you have all set up properly.. i.e. proc sys and dev |
| 07:40.26 | earthian | and boot :p |
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| 07:41.09 | DrAk0 | hey, i have some emails frozen on exim |
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| 07:41.15 | Yea10354 | why boot ? |
| 07:41.19 | DrAk0 | 2007-06-26 09:19:39 1I2n44-0000Bl-RY Message is frozen |
| 07:41.20 | DrAk0 | 2007-06-26 09:19:39 1I2oaf-0000oU-Mg Message is frozen |
| 07:41.20 | DrAk0 | 2007-06-26 09:19:39 1I2n44-0000Bp-VE Message is frozen |
| 07:41.22 | Yea10354 | i already have my kerrnel etc in the chroot |
| 07:41.27 | earthian | Yea10354, if you are going to play with boot |
| 07:41.28 | DrAk0 | how i can make exim to try resend them |
| 07:41.34 | MangosDebian | DrAk0: runq |
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| 07:41.38 | earthian | i.e. install grub or so |
| 07:41.51 | MangosDebian | DrAk0: and if it complains about resend time not reached, exim -qff |
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| 07:42.03 | artagnon | I installed phpldapadmin via apt but I'm unable to access http://localhost/phpldapadmin. What's the issue? |
| 07:42.52 | roxy_ | is there a debian for ps2vector ? |
| 07:43.21 | DrAk0 | mandingo, i don't want to lose these emails, are important, runq |
| 07:43.27 | DrAk0 | and the log yield |
| 07:43.28 | DrAk0 | 2007-06-26 09:42:23 1I2kVE-0007fg-Lv Message is frozen |
| 07:43.28 | DrAk0 | 2007-06-26 09:42:23 1I2tJi-0002Xy-94 Message is frozen |
| 07:43.28 | DrAk0 | 2007-06-26 09:42:23 End queue run: pid=25330 |
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| 07:43.35 | artagnon | roxy_: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all&keywords=ps2vector&sourceid=mozilla-search |
| 07:43.47 | DrAk0 | MangosDebian, did you read me? |
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| 07:44.40 | Yea10354 | grub-install --root-directory=/boot ?? |
| 07:44.42 | Yea10354 | is this correct ? |
| 07:44.44 | MangosDebian | DrAk0: runq wont send them if the queue time hasnt expired yet, so basically run: exim -qff to force it |
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| 07:45.09 | DrAk0 | MangosDebian, that wont delete te mails, right? :) |
| 07:45.12 | MangosDebian | no |
| 07:45.20 | MangosDebian | exim -Mrm <id> deletes them |
| 07:45.26 | earthian | why the hell " apt-get dist-upgrade " wants to remove my GAIM??? and what are the pidgin pidgin-data pidgin-plugin-pack packages about??? |
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| 07:46.01 | artagnon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin_(software) |
| 07:46.05 | artagnon | earthian: ^^ |
| 07:46.07 | Yea10354 | /dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 07:46.09 | Yea10354 | fucking shit |
| 07:46.15 | DrAk0 | MangosDebian, great, its working, thank you very much :) |
| 07:46.18 | artagnon | earthian: Gaim has been renamed to pidgin |
| 07:46.23 | earthian | oh |
| 07:46.24 | earthian | wtf |
| 07:46.25 | earthian | lol |
| 07:46.26 | earthian | ok |
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| 07:46.29 | MangosDebian | DrAk0: np |
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| 07:47.02 | artagnon | Yea10354: /dev/sda1 probably will |
| 07:47.13 | Yea10354 | huh ? |
| 07:47.24 | Yea10354 | ooo |
| 07:47.24 | Yea10354 | :P |
| 07:47.33 | artagnon | Yea10354: are you trying to mount /dev/sda or something? |
| 07:47.45 | Yea10354 | no no i am stupid |
| 07:47.46 | Yea10354 | your right |
| 07:47.50 | Yea10354 | but still got same error |
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| 07:48.05 | artagnon | about wrong fs typ? |
| 07:48.11 | Yea10354 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:48.11 | Yea10354 | /dev/sda1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 07:48.20 | artagnon | Yea10354: no! |
| 07:48.33 | Dharmes1 | Can we install or repair grub from debian3.1 cd/dvd?? |
| 07:48.55 | artagnon | Yea10354: ask in #grub. You're already too deep |
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| 07:49.21 | roxy_ | artagnon: I didn't notice that the rpm was 400$ . Probably why it is not in debian :-) |
| 07:49.31 | redduck666 | Yea10354: when i faced that problem i decided to use lilo |
| 07:49.39 | redduck666 | :( |
| 07:49.54 | Yea10354 | redduck666: sounds like an idea |
| 07:50.09 | artagnon | Yea10354: I don't recommend lilo. Grub's what everyone uses |
| 07:50.12 | artagnon | learn to use it |
| 07:50.23 | redduck666 | Yea10354: if you do find a way to fix it please /msg me |
| 07:50.29 | Yea10354 | lol |
| 07:50.35 | earthian | Dharmes1, yes by chrooting to your current debian system. |
| 07:50.38 | Yea10354 | if redduck666 still hasnt fixed it lilo sounds good |
| 07:50.59 | Supaplex | Yea10354: did you miss the part where you're suppose to fix mtab? |
| 07:51.10 | artagnon | Yea10354: the basic issue is that your device.map doesn't have /dev/sda mapped to (hd0) or something similar. It's a long discussion. #grub is helpful |
| 07:51.33 | artagnon | Supaplex: grub-install has nothing to do with mtab |
| 07:51.36 | earthian | Yea10354, also with SATA disks or RAIDS better use grub shell and setup command.. that does work better then grub-install |
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| 07:52.22 | artagnon | earthian: grub-install is a shell script which does exactly what you would from the grub shell |
| 07:52.37 | artagnon | earthian: open it up and read it |
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| 07:52.49 | someone2005again | What about bin\sh ? or am I to much in the past ? |
| 07:53.05 | artagnon | someone2005again: what about it? |
| 07:53.14 | earthian | artagnon, it does not do exactly the same.. at least for me it returns me the "..does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." |
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| 07:53.33 | earthian | while in the shell with setup (hd0) it does fine |
| 07:53.35 | artagnon | earthian: that's because it reads device.map to find that corresponding BIOS drive |
| 07:53.44 | earthian | kk |
| 07:53.52 | earthian | then i dont have it in the device.map :o |
| 07:53.52 | someone2005again | wants an interperter ? |
| 07:53.56 | artagnon | earthian: read grub-install and you'll know for yourself |
| 07:54.03 | earthian | kk |
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| 07:54.47 | someone2005again | That installs only once ? |
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| 07:54.58 | Yea10354 | doo i need to mount /proc also ? |
| 07:54.59 | earthian | artagnon, i just checked the /boot/grub/device.map and it does have the harddisk pointed to (hd0) :/ |
| 07:55.04 | earthian | Yea10354, yes |
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| 07:55.21 | artagnon | earthian: see what I mean? just point /dev/sda to (hd0) or similar |
| 07:55.33 | earthian | i have it |
| 07:55.39 | earthian | (hd0)/dev/mapper/nvidia_ejecfcda |
| 07:55.40 | earthian | :p |
| 07:55.57 | artagnon | earthian: apparently, you're using lvm |
| 07:56.13 | earthian | /dev/mapper/nvidia_ejecfcda1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 07:56.16 | earthian | dmraid |
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| 07:56.25 | artagnon | there you go |
| 07:56.32 | earthian | and grub shell does handle that while grub-install not |
| 07:56.39 | earthian | thats what i was talking about here :P |
| 07:56.51 | earthian | i believe it could happen with some sata controllers also? :/ |
| 07:56.54 | earthian | not sure |
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| 07:58.10 | Yea10354 | fucking worked |
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| 07:58.53 | Yea10354 | anyting else i should do before i do the big test ? |
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| 07:59.07 | earthian | Yea10354, a lot :x |
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| 07:59.12 | Yea10354 | lol ? |
| 07:59.19 | earthian | if its remote thing first have somebody in person there :p |
| 07:59.23 | earthian | lol |
| 07:59.30 | Yea10354 | not gonna happen :P |
| 07:59.36 | Yea10354 | but i think everything should be ok |
| 07:59.37 | earthian | oh.. then good luck |
| 07:59.38 | earthian | erm |
| 07:59.41 | Yea10354 | i set upo the mbr right |
| 07:59.45 | earthian | review your menu.lst in grub dir |
| 07:59.52 | earthian | etc |
| 07:59.58 | Yea10354 | to be honest i kjust used lilo |
| 08:00.02 | earthian | run update-grub |
| 08:00.08 | Yea10354 | ^ |
| 08:00.10 | earthian | :o |
| 08:00.11 | earthian | kk |
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| 08:00.16 | Yea10354 | grun didnt work |
| 08:00.18 | Yea10354 | lilo did :P |
| 08:00.26 | earthian | good |
| 08:00.39 | earthian | thats where lilo is good for.. when grub fuksup |
| 08:00.46 | earthian | :p |
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| 08:00.57 | Yea10354 | yea im gonna try it |
| 08:01.00 | Yea10354 | i hope it works |
| 08:01.10 | earthian | good luck!!! |
| 08:01.17 | Yea10354 | well 1 sec |
| 08:01.27 | Yea10354 | should i do anyting with the proc or dev ? |
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| 08:01.36 | Yea10354 | also did i need to put anyting in the sys ? |
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| 08:01.42 | Yea10354 | or will it do that on start ? |
| 08:01.44 | earthian | if you set up it ok then no |
| 08:01.49 | earthian | review your /etc/fstab |
| 08:01.52 | SoulChild | WHat does this message meen at boot: $FWH not detected"? |
| 08:02.27 | Yea10354 | it says unconfigured for base system |
| 08:02.39 | Yea10354 | do i need the fstab configured ? |
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| 08:03.19 | earthian | yes |
| 08:03.30 | Yea10354 | anyway to automate that ? |
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| 08:03.41 | Yea10354 | i got 2 partitions sda1 and sda2 |
| 08:03.48 | Yea10354 | the root partition and the linux swap |
| 08:03.58 | earthian | google for fstab syntax |
| 08:04.05 | earthian | and add those partitions also proc |
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| 08:04.19 | Yea10354 | huh ? |
| 08:04.20 | Yea10354 | proc ? |
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| 08:04.54 | Yea10354 | well this is just ofr mounting a disk correct ? |
| 08:05.02 | Yea10354 | i dont need it to be able to start linux ? |
| 08:05.07 | Yea10354 | or start up the server |
| 08:05.14 | earthian | Yea10354, you need it |
| 08:05.26 | earthian | otherwise linux might not find your root |
| 08:05.28 | earthian | :S |
| 08:05.37 | earthian | and wont set up swap at start |
| 08:05.50 | Yea10354 | ok |
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| 08:06.35 | earthian | Yea10354, my fstab for example: http://www.fostral.net/fstab |
| 08:07.17 | ab3l | hi, how do i download kernel-headers-2.6.18-4-686 if apt-get says can't find ? |
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| 08:07.44 | earthian | ab3l, what version of debian? |
| 08:07.50 | ab3l | 4 r0 etch |
| 08:08.30 | Yea10354 | /dev/sad1/ ext2 defaults 1 1 |
| 08:08.30 | Yea10354 | none /proc proc defaults |
| 08:08.30 | Yea10354 | /dev/sad2none swap sw |
| 08:08.34 | Yea10354 | that look right ? |
| 08:08.34 | earthian | !info kernel-headers-2.6.18-4-686 etch |
| 08:08.57 | earthian | Yea10354, no |
| 08:09.03 | earthian | it look "sad" |
| 08:09.04 | earthian | :p |
| 08:09.10 | Yea10354 | whats wrong ? |
| 08:09.16 | earthian | sad -> sda ? |
| 08:09.20 | ab3l | !info kernel-headers-2.6.18-4-686 etch |
| 08:09.39 | ab3l | !info kernel-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 08:09.40 | Yea10354 | lol |
| 08:09.47 | Yea10354 | its getting late :P |
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| 08:10.07 | earthian | Yea10354, lol its 10 past 11 in the morning here! :p |
| 08:10.19 | Yea10354 | where you live ? |
| 08:10.20 | SoulChild | What does this message at boot mean: "intel_rng: FWH not detected"? |
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| 08:10.38 | earthian | Yea10354, Lithuania |
| 08:10.45 | Yea10354 | ah |
| 08:10.55 | Yea10354 | Miami Flroida -> USa -> south east here |
| 08:11.03 | Yea10354 | its very late |
| 08:11.05 | dimir | Laba diena |
| 08:11.07 | Yea10354 | and verry verry hot |
| 08:11.07 | earthian | ab3l, <dpkg> linux-kernel-headers: (Linux Kernel Headers for development), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.18-7 (etch), Packaged size: 1831 kB, Installed size: 10968 kB |
| 08:11.31 | earthian | ab3l, so you need kernel-headers-2.6.18-7 |
| 08:11.54 | Yea10354 | i will repeat very very hot |
| 08:12.20 | Yea10354 | otherwise the sad->sda problem oes it look ok earthian ? |
| 08:12.49 | earthian | i am not expert there.. but it might be ok.. |
| 08:13.14 | Yea10354 | anyting else i should check out before ? |
| 08:13.17 | Yea10354 | i restart ? |
| 08:13.54 | earthian | Yea10354, not sure :P |
| 08:13.58 | Yea10354 | lol ? |
| 08:14.01 | Yea10354 | just go for it ? |
| 08:14.03 | MangosDebian | SoulChild: prolly some random number generator module loading at startup, but cant find the hardware on your system |
| 08:14.03 | earthian | now you are on your own.. :/ |
| 08:14.33 | MangosDebian | SoulChild: thats a complete guess though ;) google prolly tell you the truth |
| 08:14.58 | MangosDebian | not sure what an FWH is though |
| 08:15.18 | SoulChild | MangosDebian: okay thanks |
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| 08:15.33 | MangosDebian | SoulChild: i would double check that tough. my gut says im wrong |
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| 08:16.01 | earthian | How do I make kernel not read /dev/sda /dev/sdb on startup??? |
| 08:16.51 | earthian | i have a s/w raid there and my sda has partitions of the raid which is twice the size of sda so it gets to seek past the disk size or so.. and outputs some errors.. |
| 08:16.54 | earthian | a lot of errors tho |
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| 08:17.12 | Yea10354 | here goes! |
| 08:17.56 | Yea10354 | ok its shutting down network distro restarting the real server |
| 08:18.01 | Yea10354 | can take up to 10 mins |
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| 08:18.36 | camel_ | does anyone know how/if I can install 32-bit (x86) libelf1 on my x86-64 debian etch system? |
| 08:19.10 | camel_ | (I can guess I could brute-force it by downloading the 32-bit deb, extracting the file and putting it in /usr/lib32 manually, but I'm wondering if there's a better way?) |
| 08:19.44 | cafuego | it's it in ia32-libs? |
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| 08:20.09 | camel_ | cafuego: it isn't |
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| 08:23.21 | mosno | hi folks |
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| 08:24.09 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 08:24.09 | dpkg | <Cyph_> i'm stoned, but the segfaults are real abrotman |
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| 08:27.08 | dimir | :-D |
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| 08:31.58 | Yea10354 | earthian: thaks for all your help |
| 08:32.10 | Yea10354 | Supaplex: thanks for all your help |
| 08:32.18 | Yea10354 | wols_: thanks for all your help |
| 08:32.22 | earthian | \o/ |
| 08:32.28 | earthian | did it work? |
| 08:32.32 | Yea10354 | i dont know |
| 08:32.33 | Yea10354 | ;) |
| 08:32.36 | earthian | :o |
| 08:32.50 | Yea10354 | basically i went into my control panel and said stop recovery system and start server as normal |
| 08:32.55 | Yea10354 | says it takes 10 mins |
| 08:33.02 | Yea10354 | but its been about 15 ;) |
| 08:34.08 | dimir | So, it fscked up! |
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| 08:34.38 | erik__ | weird: I have the samba server running and it is visible on my laptop (name= CHARLIE), but when I try to log in with login-name = administrator and password = xxxxx, I get back for a name CHARLIE/administrator in the login window on the laptop, and a blank password field. in other words: the server seems to block administrator (=root , in smbusers). what do I miss here |
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| 08:35.55 | dimir | You have user account 'administrator' on the Samba server? |
| 08:36.22 | fireba11 | !samba |
| 08:36.23 | dpkg | hmm... samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 08:36.32 | erik__ | no. it is root |
| 08:36.45 | dimir | why do you think it'll let you in then? |
| 08:36.59 | erik__ | smbuser is supposed to convert the names, no ? |
| 08:37.02 | dimir | try 'root'. |
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| 08:37.12 | dimir | if you use mapping, AFAIK. |
| 08:37.38 | erik__ | btw: root does same thing |
| 08:37.53 | erik__ | gives me back CHARLIE/root |
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| 08:38.26 | dimir | [home] section is configured properly? |
| 08:38.31 | dimir | Other users can connect? |
| 08:39.21 | dimir | Are you using smbusers file? |
| 08:39.30 | erik__ | [homes] |
| 08:39.32 | erik__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.34 | erik__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.35 | erik__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.37 | erik__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.38 | erik__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:40.02 | hark | !paster erik__ |
| 08:40.02 | dpkg | erik__: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 08:40.10 | erik__ | smbusers is there... wouldn't it use it then ? |
| 08:40.28 | dimir | erik__: yes, if you have it specified in smb.conf |
| 08:40.41 | dimir | By the way, does it work with 'valid users' commented out? |
| 08:41.09 | erik__ | dimir: i'll try |
| 08:42.47 | erik__ | smb.conf on paste: name = erik |
| 08:43.31 | dimir | doesn't work that way, you give the url. ;) |
| 08:43.47 | hark | suse? |
| 08:43.54 | erik__ | http://paste.debian.net/31408 |
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| 08:45.19 | dimir | so try with SuSE crap commented out. |
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| 08:46.24 | dimir | I can see 'hosts allow' option, does you client match the range? |
| 08:47.05 | dimir | 'logon drive = P:' - no idea if that's OK too. |
| 08:47.20 | dimir | I assume you try to use login service? |
| 08:47.27 | dimir | s/login/logon/ |
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| 08:47.36 | dimir | Or just access a share. |
| 08:47.43 | dimir | Try just a share first. |
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| 08:47.55 | erik__ | client is in range |
| 08:48.33 | erik__ | what is login service ? |
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| 08:48.59 | hark | erik__: is there a reason why you're asking here? try #suse or even #samba ... |
| 08:49.26 | dimir | erik__: I meant 'logon service' |
| 08:49.46 | erik__ | ow... ummm should I be on linux or samba ? yes not really debian.. |
| 08:50.02 | dimir | Samba. |
| 08:50.24 | dimir | Are you trying to logon using Samba server? |
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| 08:58.02 | biatche | there a way to determine an interface uptime? |
| 08:58.40 | erik__ | dimir: got it ! indeed it was setting the smbpasswd thingy |
| 08:59.04 | erik__ | dimir : thnx for time+energy |
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| 09:01.43 | Colaweizen | good morning |
| 09:01.50 | earthian | morning o/ |
| 09:01.59 | Colaweizen | does somebody know, how to install a proxy server on my debian root? |
| 09:02.17 | Supaplex | !tell Colaweizen -about search |
| 09:02.19 | wols_ | Colaweizen: proxy for what? |
| 09:03.03 | Colaweizen | HTTP-Proxy |
| 09:03.04 | Supaplex | chicken bones! |
| 09:03.22 | Supaplex | I lost :) |
| 09:03.32 | Gigantic | .!boo |
| 09:03.33 | dimir | Colaweizen: you need squid. |
| 09:03.39 | earthian | how can i "hide" a disk or two from kernel loading them into /dev/ or so? I have a raid0 with dmraid on /dev/sda and /dev/sdb and kernel at the boot tries to make /dev/sda{1,2,3,4} while the {4} is out of sda range (90% of hdd) and returns a lot of errors in the boot time make it slower |
| 09:03.51 | wols_ | dimir: not necessarily |
| 09:03.53 | Colaweizen | i'm a noob in debian, what must i do? |
| 09:03.55 | Supaplex | Colaweizen: how many users? squid is overkill for 5 for less. |
| 09:03.57 | wols_ | Colaweizen: tell us what you want to do |
| 09:04.05 | wols_ | !tell Colaweizen about grounding |
| 09:04.15 | Colaweizen | i want to surf over a HTTP-Proxy |
| 09:04.20 | Colaweizen | one user |
| 09:04.41 | earthian | so if i could ask kernel just to forget /dev/sda /dev/sdb and use /deb/mapper/xxx instead..? |
| 09:04.43 | wols_ | Colaweizen: a local user? why do you want him to use a proxy? |
| 09:04.43 | Gigantic | you don't need a server for that |
| 09:04.53 | Supaplex | there are a fist full of proxy servers that'll do that. never underestimate the power of ssh -D :) |
| 09:05.06 | Colaweizen | wols_: because i want to be anonymous |
| 09:05.15 | wols_ | I'd use a simple one like privoxy. not a behemot like squid |
| 09:05.15 | Gigantic | Colaweizen: use one of the available proxy servers, Google know lots |
| 09:05.20 | dimir | cracker! |
| 09:05.22 | wols_ | Colaweizen: a proxy won't do this |
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| 09:05.51 | Supaplex | oh no! my IP is visible! |
| 09:05.55 | wols_ | Colaweizen: use tor. that gives you sort of anonymity. if you use your own proxy server, you arenot anonymous |
| 09:06.04 | Colaweizen | hmm |
| 09:06.08 | Colaweizen | but my own is faster |
| 09:06.14 | wols_ | another solution is JAP (java anon proxy) |
| 09:06.32 | Supaplex | localhost ftw! |
| 09:06.35 | Gigantic | Colaweizen: Your own is pointless |
| 09:06.40 | dimir | Install a proxy server on a local host and you'll be anonymous!!111 |
| 09:06.42 | dimir | \o/ |
| 09:06.56 | Supaplex | ssh -D > * >:) |
| 09:06.59 | earthian | Colaweizen, first learn how proxying works |
| 09:07.06 | Gigantic | Colaweizen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy |
| 09:07.08 | Colaweizen | ok bye |
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| 09:07.20 | Supaplex | lol |
| 09:07.26 | earthian | poor kid :/. |
| 09:07.26 | dimir | hax0r |
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| 09:07.30 | earthian | you scared him off :o |
| 09:07.37 | wols_ | Supaplex: but he's a webmaster! |
| 09:07.45 | wols_ | and uses the shitties telco around of course |
| 09:07.48 | dimir | +<= |
| 09:08.00 | joeyjones | lol wols_ |
| 09:08.16 | dimir | wols_: correction, webmaste! As in webmastah! |
| 09:08.17 | Supaplex | wols_: only until qwest moves in ;) |
| 09:08.32 | Gigantic | talking about proxy... mouse is down, any suggestion of a non saturated server would be nice (pvt me if you prefere) |
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| 09:08.44 | wols_ | Supaplex: tele2 would give qwest a run for it's money |
| 09:08.46 | Gigantic | it's useful to watch pr0n :p |
| 09:09.13 | Gigantic | dimir: :o |
| 09:09.13 | wols_ | their main marketing instrument is telemarketing people and pretending to be german telekom (the local ä1) |
| 09:09.30 | wols_ | Gigantic: mouse? |
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| 09:09.37 | dimir | Gigantic: from woik you can always 'ssh -D' home and the aren't getting j00. |
| 09:09.39 | rossMoHaX | I've bunch of .deb files created by my own, how could I make repo for with them inside? I've tired to install them via "dpkg -i". Note: some off them have dependencies from etch/main |
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| 09:10.45 | Gigantic | wols_: http://privacymouse.org/ |
| 09:10.59 | Gigantic | dimir: ssh is not an option for several reasons |
| 09:11.01 | dimir | rossMoHaX: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto#setting-up |
| 09:11.10 | ab3l | hi what i've to add in file sudoers to let an user do some commands without prompting for pass ? |
| 09:11.35 | sep | ab3l, it's described in man sudoers |
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| 09:12.21 | ab3l | yeah but i did username examplegrp = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/pppd and it guess for pass |
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| 09:14.31 | Supaplex | ab3l: groups are %foo iirc. |
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| 09:14.49 | Supaplex | my last visit to that man page was a few weeks ago |
| 09:14.54 | earthian | i think i should rephrase my question... |
| 09:15.30 | Supaplex | we're not holding our breath. take your time. |
| 09:15.38 | earthian | how do make kernel ignore/hide /dev/sda and /dev/sdb |
| 09:15.39 | earthian | ? |
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| 09:16.02 | Gigantic | dimir: But I could ssh to a machine... let's say yours ? :p |
| 09:16.04 | dimir | ab3l: I though second argument is a hostname. |
| 09:16.09 | wols_ | earthian: if in doubt, blame udev |
| 09:16.18 | wols_ | you can't hide it from the kernel in a meaningufl way |
| 09:16.20 | dimir | Gigantic: that's goiong to cost, for sure. |
| 09:16.28 | Gigantic | :D |
| 09:16.34 | wols_ | well you can: remove it. that's about it |
| 09:16.37 | dimir | :-P |
| 09:16.41 | earthian | let me show you what i have and what i why i want to hide etc.. |
| 09:16.44 | earthian | !pastebin |
| 09:16.44 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
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| 09:16.59 | furiozo | hi all |
| 09:17.01 | Supaplex | earthian: what's referencing those? egrep -ril '/dev/sd[ab]' /etc/ 2>/dev/null |
| 09:17.33 | furiozo | i have one question, how i stop start gnome at start OS? |
| 09:17.43 | Supaplex | !gdm |
| 09:17.43 | dpkg | it has been said that gdm is the Gnome Display Manager. A gnome based display manager based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind.. see gdm fix, or uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession, or kicks ass!, or (a word that You can confuse with "gpm", gpm is that thingy to have mouse cursor in text console) |
| 09:18.13 | earthian | http://paste.lisp.org/display/43453 |
| 09:18.40 | furiozo | ? |
| 09:18.53 | Supaplex | furiozo: is gnome installed? |
| 09:18.57 | furiozo | yes |
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| 09:19.25 | furiozo | gnome is installed |
| 09:19.40 | Supaplex | furiozo: do you want to login and type "startx" on the console, or do you want the 'gnome display manager' to prompt for login, then pass you into gnome after login? |
| 09:19.41 | wols_ | !nodm |
| 09:19.41 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 09:20.01 | Supaplex | wols_: what if that's not what he wants? |
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| 09:20.34 | furiozo | no i not type startx in console |
| 09:20.38 | furiozo | gnome load automatic |
| 09:20.42 | wols_ | Supaplex: then he should have made a better problem description. QeD |
| 09:20.50 | wols_ | furiozo: it does not |
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| 09:20.57 | wols_ | gdm load possibly. not gnome |
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| 09:21.03 | niru | if I have udebs of two different version in the repo which udeb will come into cd |
| 09:21.06 | furiozo | yes |
| 09:21.08 | furiozo | :) |
| 09:21.14 | niru | or it depends on the kernel version |
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| 09:23.00 | Supaplex | I would expect any installed dm should do the trick. try gdm, it's labeled gnome after all... |
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| 09:24.17 | quitte_ | niru: it depends on the Package index: the Packages(.gz) file |
| 09:24.24 | furiozo | Thank You |
| 09:24.25 | furiozo | cya |
| 09:25.16 | doudou | Hi, when i boot with ethernet cable unpluged, dmesg stop at MTA: waiting for exim4 i suppose testing network. I tried to remove exim4 but it is not possible, i want to know who launch MTA and how to change it |
| 09:26.25 | quitte_ | doudou: man update-rc.d |
| 09:26.26 | earthian | http://rafb.net/p/L8JaYy85.html <-- how to make it stop happening it takes unwanted delay at the boot time.. |
| 09:27.02 | wols_ | doudou: you can install another mta instead of exim, but an mta you must have |
| 09:27.06 | quitte_ | doudou: it's init that starts the mta. have a look at the files in /etc/init.d and the links in /etc/rc*.d |
| 09:29.02 | doudou | i would like a MTA that i am sure is not able to use network |
| 09:29.39 | doudou | init seems having many many config files |
| 09:29.51 | petemc | doudou: update-rc.d -f exim4 remove |
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| 09:30.11 | petemc | or installing ifplugd can stop exim waiting to time out |
| 09:31.29 | doudou | I found init/exim4 file, i will try to read it. I cant understand why it test if network eth0 is up, it should only look after lo? |
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| 09:32.31 | petemc | exim4 -bP local_interfaces |
| 09:33.04 | doudou | thanks for man update-rc.d , as many commands exists and new ones are rising each day, i have no idea how people now they exist, only explanation is that someone teach them |
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| 09:33.55 | petemc | doudou: by using the system, you can learn yourself |
| 09:34.12 | petemc | its called experience, v useful thing |
| 09:34.22 | quitte_ | doudou: look in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin ;). you probably should know all in /bin and /sbin |
| 09:35.47 | quitte_ | shiney new hardware or just a new kernel? |
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| 09:35.49 | Ramattack | hi all |
| 09:36.07 | nvz | ugh gotta get all my crap off this hard drive so I can return it to the shiny new webserver |
| 09:36.20 | Ramattack | does anybody please know how could I check maximum concurrent queries that bind supports? (for increasing them if necessary) |
| 09:36.33 | nvz | I tried doing rsync on it last night but after like 2 and a half hours not even 1/20th of the data was syncd |
| 09:36.52 | nvz | I figure I can move it all locally in like 20 min |
| 09:36.52 | doudou | i am afraid that new things come more quickly that my ability to learn previous ones, and i feel that things should be more simple too, best attitude is to wait things improve |
| 09:37.48 | doudou | thanks for your help, i always have good help here |
| 09:37.52 | quitte_ | doudou: right. just dig into new things a little deeper tan to just fix theproblem a hand every time and you should lern pretty fas |
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| 09:43.41 | teclo- | hello, when will Deiban 3.1r6 be out ? |
| 09:43.45 | teclo- | uhhhh |
| 09:43.50 | teclo- | hello, when will Debian 3.1r6 be out ? |
| 09:43.59 | dhe | we can hear you... |
| 09:44.34 | dhe | jesus will be online in 10minutes and will answer your question |
| 09:44.59 | teclo- | heh |
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| 09:48.54 | Supaplex | !when will lenny be released |
| 09:48.55 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some tarot cards... ok, lenny should be out by Passover. |
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| 09:50.40 | metbsd | can someone take a look at my aptitude output: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/936627 |
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| 09:52.56 | vlt | Hello. Does anyone know how I can avoid ghostscript asking me to press <return> after every single paged processed when converting a pdf file? The command I used is `gs -sDEVICE=pgm -r300 -sOutputFile=OUT300.pgm IN.pdf`. |
| 09:55.08 | metbsd | can someone take a look at my aptitude output: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/936627 |
| 09:55.26 | streuner | metb |
| 09:55.32 | streuner | metbsd: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 09:56.06 | streuner | metbsd: website doesn't response, paste that stuff new in paste.debian.net |
| 09:56.19 | streuner | !paste |
| 09:56.19 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 09:56.28 | streuner | metbsd: ^^^ |
| 09:57.14 | metbsd | http://paste.debian.net/31412 |
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| 09:57.42 | streuner | hm, etch, and what's the problem? |
| 09:58.15 | metbsd | hold on |
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| 09:59.25 | metbsd | http://paste.debian.net/31413 |
| 09:59.59 | streuner | hm, is clamav nowadays in the official mirrors? |
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| 10:00.11 | petemc | streuner: wasnt it always? |
| 10:00.11 | wols_ | metbsd: why are you asking debian questions in ubuntu? |
| 10:00.19 | streuner | petemc: nope |
| 10:00.31 | petemc | streuner: when was it not? |
| 10:00.42 | streuner | petemc: sarge's stuff was in voitaile |
| 10:00.56 | petemc | streuner: no, the updates were in volatile |
| 10:01.12 | streuner | petemc: ah, right |
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| 10:01.35 | petemc | i should imagine thats still the case |
| 10:01.38 | flami | volatile is for software that needs to be updated with new functionality . |
| 10:01.44 | flami | its still in volatile |
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| 10:02.31 | streuner | food, bbl... |
| 10:03.06 | hoodlum | hi, im having trouble with ext 3 and getting sizes right |
| 10:03.17 | hoodlum | like |
| 10:03.19 | hoodlum | here, i shall show |
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| 10:03.33 | hoodlum | /dev/md/0 587G 9.2G 548G 2% /home |
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| 10:03.41 | hoodlum | /dev/md0 is ext3 |
| 10:03.48 | hoodlum | its a raid 5 config |
| 10:04.01 | hoodlum | what i dont get is, with reiser fs i saw alot more of my hdd space? |
| 10:04.07 | hoodlum | all the drives are of 300gb |
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| 10:06.25 | hoodlum | ummm ok.. |
| 10:06.51 | nvz | I got 256mb ram and only about 650mb of the 15gb hd for swap on this low-traffic web server it was configured for something else.. but I have this 2gb drive I wonder if I should put it in there for some extra swap |
| 10:07.04 | nvz | I realize if it starts swappin thats bad news.. but still |
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| 10:07.29 | hoodlum | yer ok |
| 10:07.36 | hoodlum | well |
| 10:07.47 | hoodlum | get more ram |
| 10:07.53 | hoodlum | sif have virtual mem |
| 10:07.58 | hoodlum | when you can have physical mem |
| 10:08.24 | nvz | yeah its got two more slots for ram if I find any layin around I'd add it |
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| 10:08.54 | hoodlum | what sort of mem? |
| 10:08.56 | nvz | this is just a stand in server for a small borough/vol fire dept website we're gonna budget a real server next year |
| 10:09.03 | nvz | PC 100/133 or something probably |
| 10:09.09 | nvz | I'm not putting any money into it |
| 10:09.12 | hoodlum | where you from? |
| 10:09.16 | nvz | the box was donated and its better than nothing :p |
| 10:09.18 | hoodlum | ill sell you some |
| 10:09.36 | nvz | I could buy some if I wanted it but like I said I'm not putting any money into it |
| 10:09.45 | hoodlum | yeah you are now |
| 10:09.47 | hoodlum | im selling you some ram |
| 10:09.55 | nvz | heh |
| 10:10.05 | nvz | no thanks.. how about I sell _you_ some ram |
| 10:10.16 | hoodlum | nah |
| 10:10.17 | nvz | I got a dead box here that has DDR in it and I have no use for DDR |
| 10:10.24 | hoodlum | where you from? |
| 10:10.37 | hoodlum | ill buy it |
| 10:10.40 | nvz | south-western penssylvania |
| 10:11.00 | hoodlum | ahh huh. |
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| 10:11.09 | hoodlum | im from aus :P |
| 10:11.17 | nvz | all its got is one stick of 256mb 266mhz ddr its not reeally worth much |
| 10:11.22 | hoodlum | 10 bucks |
| 10:11.24 | nvz | for all I know it may not even work |
| 10:11.42 | nvz | the pc doesnt do shit and I don't feel like figurin out what's wrong with it |
| 10:12.58 | nvz | I was gonna swap it out for mine.. and I'd still do that and figure out what the problem is if it too PC100/133 instead of DDR ram.. I dont spend money on technology cause I'm not doing anything serious with it right now.. I'm not going from 512mb 133 to 256mb 266 |
| 10:13.03 | nvz | and I'm not putting any money into it |
| 10:13.28 | nvz | id take double capacity over double speed |
| 10:13.29 | hoodlum | you should put money into things |
| 10:13.32 | hoodlum | its good for your health |
| 10:13.37 | nvz | hah |
| 10:14.05 | metbsd | http://paste.debian.net/31415 |
| 10:14.06 | nvz | I hate money.. if I thought I could catch, cook and eat rabbits and squirrels I'd just live in the woods |
| 10:14.10 | metbsd | http://paste.debian.net/31415 help |
| 10:14.48 | nvz | oh well I'm off to act like I'm getting some work done |
| 10:14.53 | redduck666 | nvz: ....yet you are chatting on the irc connected by bunch of things bought by money. |
| 10:15.03 | redduck666 | (wiress, routers...) |
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| 10:15.15 | shingouz | /joint #kismet |
| 10:15.19 | hoodlum | yeah redduck666 |
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| 10:15.23 | hoodlum | stick it to the man |
| 10:15.24 | shingouz | bah :p |
| 10:15.42 | hoodlum | seriously |
| 10:15.46 | hoodlum | why would anyone wnat to live in the woods |
| 10:15.48 | hoodlum | anyway |
| 10:15.51 | nvz | redduck666: i didn't buy any of it.. I dont even pay for the net.. I get checks for the internet cause I got students using it.. heh |
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| 10:16.23 | nvz | redduck666: I am just thrifty.. being around politics all my life taught me how to get things without working or paying for em |
| 10:16.30 | RainCT | Hi |
| 10:16.46 | shingouz | nvz: you should write a howto on that... ;) |
| 10:16.48 | RainCT | can somebody help me with a pbuilder problem? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27249/ |
| 10:17.01 | RainCT | (it says the same with sudo pbuilder update) |
| 10:17.10 | hoodlum | /dev/md/0 587G 9.2G 548G 2% /home |
| 10:17.13 | hoodlum | see that |
| 10:17.19 | nvz | shingouz: haha.. I thought about it.. but then I got worried there would be less for me if everyone knew my secrets |
| 10:17.23 | hoodlum | ext3, problems with partition size |
| 10:17.24 | hoodlum | pisses me off |
| 10:17.25 | hoodlum | i format it |
| 10:17.27 | hoodlum | and that's what i get |
| 10:17.35 | hoodlum | 548gb out of the 587 |
| 10:17.40 | hoodlum | what's going on with it |
| 10:18.36 | dhe | hoodlum |
| 10:18.40 | hoodlum | yeah? |
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| 10:18.43 | dhe | 5% reserved in default mode |
| 10:18.46 | dhe | use xfs ;) |
| 10:18.54 | hoodlum | ok.... xfs it is |
| 10:18.56 | hoodlum | i used reiser |
| 10:18.58 | hoodlum | but it crapped its self |
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| 10:20.22 | hoodlum | thank you dhe D: |
| 10:20.24 | hoodlum | ;D* |
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| 10:21.04 | shingouz | RainCT: unknown host says the thing. besides, you are not by any chance using ubuntu? |
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| 10:21.13 | dhe | hoodlum: no prob |
| 10:21.17 | eth01 | is etch 4.0 ? |
| 10:21.33 | redduck666 | eth01: yes. |
| 10:21.41 | eth01 | thank god for that |
| 10:21.48 | redduck666 | why? |
| 10:22.08 | RainCT | shingouz: I am (Ubuntu Feisty; Gutsy on pbuilder), but there aren't many people with pbuilder online on #ubuntu-motu. |
| 10:22.28 | eth01 | because i have just created a box using 4.0 but i thought i installed 3.1 :) |
| 10:23.33 | Nichev1 | I guess Debian would be a good choice for a small server with limited hard drive capacity? |
| 10:23.42 | shingouz | RainCT: nice job. unfortunately that looks like ubuntu has either a config problem or the original pacakges are somehow weird. this is #debian, not #ubuntu and that means the stuff *IS* different |
| 10:23.49 | shingouz | Nichev1: yes |
| 10:23.50 | redduck666 | Nichev1: usually yes. |
| 10:24.18 | Nichev1 | and custom kernel |
| 10:24.42 | redduck666 | Nichev1: what for? |
| 10:24.46 | Nichev1 | just fun |
| 10:24.48 | Nichev1 | home server |
| 10:24.50 | shingouz | Nichev1: why not but do not expect a lot of help on the channel if you have a custom kernel... |
| 10:24.51 | redduck666 | :) |
| 10:25.11 | Nichev1 | maybe to ssh to |
| 10:25.11 | wols_ | shingouz: he certainly gets a lot when using ubuntu |
| 10:25.21 | wols_ | and that's a lot more unsupported than a custom kernel |
| 10:25.24 | Nichev1 | and mount external hdd |
| 10:25.27 | shingouz | heh |
| 10:25.40 | Nichev1 | :) |
| 10:25.44 | wols_ | it's usually only people who don't know shit but want a custom kernel "just because" who are not getting any help |
| 10:25.56 | shingouz | so very true wols_ |
| 10:26.00 | Nichev1 | well |
| 10:26.32 | Nichev1 | If I don't need to free those few mb there's not much to gain I guess |
| 10:26.33 | redduck666 | wols_: compiling custom kernel 'just because' is usually a good learning experience. or at least it was for me. |
| 10:26.44 | Nichev1 | yeah |
| 10:26.50 | shingouz | and most of the time the clueless are the ones who really want a custom kernel. on the other hand, sometimes the hardware is not supported by the debian kernels and that means a custom |
| 10:27.10 | shingouz | out of curiosity, do debian kernels have rfmon on orinoco already? |
| 10:27.10 | Nichev1 | I found this abandoned thin client |
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| 10:27.39 | wols_ | redduck666: depends how much you know beforehand and especially how much you are willing to read |
| 10:27.54 | Nichev1 | going to buy some replacement flash drive and see what I can do |
| 10:28.04 | wols_ | shingouz: check. /boot/config-2.6.18-4 |
| 10:28.28 | jakub_ | popopopomtidom |
| 10:28.32 | RainCT | shingouz: well, thanks |
| 10:28.33 | shingouz | Nichev1: just in case you try to install the system on flash, the chip will get crapped out pretty fast if you run swap on it |
| 10:28.46 | Nichev1 | riight |
| 10:28.56 | Nichev1 | so what to do with swap? |
| 10:29.12 | redduck666 | Nichev1: get enaugh ram not to need swap. |
| 10:29.17 | Nichev1 | right |
| 10:29.28 | Nichev1 | I was thinking of just using it for holding the system anyway |
| 10:29.31 | redduck666 | or addition drive, which i guess defeats the purpose of cf. |
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| 10:43.07 | nvz | hmm.. wtf I ran: mv /mnt/home/nvz /home/nvz/, and the data is all in /home/nvz/nvz/ now but for some reason it didn't unlink any of it and didnt give any errors |
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| 10:44.42 | speeves | morning all |
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| 10:45.32 | nvz | what's a safe way to rm -rf all my config files without removing . or recursing backwards? |
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| 10:46.11 | speeves | nvz: can you clarify? |
| 10:46.29 | nvz | I am emptying my homedir.. its all gone but the dot files |
| 10:46.35 | nvz | but I dont want to remove the homedir |
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| 10:46.41 | nvz | or anything above it |
| 10:46.45 | speeves | cd ~ ; rm -Rf * |
| 10:46.49 | redduck666 | marvin 12:46:05 ~ $ shopt -s dotglob |
| 10:46.49 | redduck666 | marvin 12:46:18 ~ $ for i in *; do [[ $i == .* ]] && echo "$i"; done |
| 10:46.59 | redduck666 | nvz: i'm on bash. |
| 10:47.03 | speeves | ahh |
| 10:47.08 | speeves | thanks redduck |
| 10:47.13 | speeves | i was confused :P |
| 10:47.17 | redduck666 | there is probably better way |
| 10:47.24 | nvz | speeves: its all still there that didnt do it |
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| 10:47.33 | Orion_X11 | Suppose that I want to upgrade my system to testing, do I have to change stable for testing or lenny in my source.list? |
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| 10:48.35 | speeves | cd ~ ; rm -rf .* |
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| 10:48.54 | nvz | speeves: I thought that would remove the cwd and recurse backwards? |
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| 10:49.02 | loesh | nvz, rm -rf \.* |
| 10:49.15 | nvz | hmm |
| 10:49.16 | loesh | to remove all the .<something> dirs |
| 10:49.19 | redduck666 | speeves: it matches . and .. as well :) |
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| 10:49.36 | speeves | get me off this thread |
| 10:49.38 | speeves | lol |
| 10:49.42 | redduck666 | loesh: escaping . on bash doesn't do anything useful. |
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| 10:49.49 | loesh | redduck666, oh :) |
| 10:49.51 | speeves | i should be focusing on work itself |
| 10:49.52 | speeves | lol |
| 10:49.53 | loesh | didnt know that.. |
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| 10:49.54 | nvz | loesh: that tried to remove . and .. too |
| 10:50.05 | loesh | nvz, yea but it couldnt so doesent really matter? |
| 10:50.27 | PHPMonkey | Hi, i'm a developer and was wondering if it would be an idea to develop a PHP framework (CakePHP, CodeIgniter) in an analogy with kernel development. Anyone ideas? |
| 10:50.27 | nvz | loesh: yeah but for some reason _i_ dont have permission to remove some of these.. so I have to be root to do this |
| 10:50.33 | nvz | loesh: and a mistake as root would be bad |
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| 10:50.43 | loesh | nvz, O_o in you home directory? sounds strange.. |
| 10:51.07 | nvz | loesh: yeah well I've probably backed up/restored configs as root or something a long time ago |
| 10:51.21 | nvz | screw it I'm gonna rm -rf my whole home and put it back |
| 10:51.22 | loesh | true that... |
| 10:51.26 | loesh | hehe.. |
| 10:51.52 | loesh | root cant remove . ans .. either |
| 10:51.54 | loesh | so... |
| 10:52.22 | speeves | what about this? |
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| 10:52.49 | speeves | cd ~ ; rm -rf .[a-z]* |
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| 10:53.02 | nvz | root could.. I am pretty sure.. it would read . as being /home/nvz and .. as being /home and /home/.. as being / |
| 10:53.05 | Orion_X11 | Suppose that I want to upgrade my system to testing, do I have to change stable for testing or lenny in my source.list? For example: deb http://ftp3.nrc.ca/debian/ stable main > deb http://ftp3.nrc.ca/debian/ testing main or deb http://ftp3.nrc.ca/debian/ stable main > deb http://ftp3.nrc.ca/debian/ lenny main (???!!!) |
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| 10:53.53 | loesh | nvz, on my system root did not remove . and .. |
| 10:54.09 | nvz | loesh: hmm idk never tried it |
| 10:54.14 | loesh | but do something like rm -rf .[a-z]* |
| 10:54.20 | nvz | don't want to risk it |
| 10:54.25 | loesh | and then rm -rf .[A-Z]* |
| 10:54.26 | kombi | can you get make-kpkg to use multiple cpus like you can with mak -j3? |
| 10:54.29 | loesh | if you wanna be sure :) |
| 10:54.36 | nvz | I just did rm -rf /home/nvz/ |
| 10:54.40 | nvz | then recreates it |
| 10:54.41 | loesh | hehe oki :) |
| 10:55.39 | speeves | cd ~ ; rm -rf .[a-zA-Z]* |
| 10:55.40 | nvz | my next question is about apache.. how can I configure who owns the apache logs that are created? afaik the default setup creates them as root owned in /var/log |
| 10:55.43 | loesh | "rm -rf .[a-zA-Z]*" would be the correct command :) |
| 10:55.51 | loesh | bahh speeves was tio fast ;-9 |
| 10:55.59 | speeves | lol |
| 10:56.08 | speeves | i was working on it longer than you :P |
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| 10:56.12 | loesh | hehe :) |
| 10:56.18 | speeves | barfed on a few tries before |
| 10:56.23 | nvz | I want to allow one of my more competant web developers to be like a co-admin but don't want to give him root just for security reasons in case his account gets compromised or whatever.. multiple admins makes shit complicated |
| 10:56.42 | nvz | I'll give him group permission to configs he needs and sudo permissions to install packages..etc |
| 10:57.01 | speeves | nvz: just change the group on the files to something like admin |
| 10:57.07 | nvz | but as for the log files, every time they are re-created they will be inaccessable to him |
| 10:57.11 | speeves | and make them a member of that group for read access |
| 10:57.16 | nes1 | wth? Is there any realistic possibility that x and hardware monitoring interfere in a way to crash my system? Or am I just (exceptionally) lucky? |
| 10:57.18 | nvz | I need to change how apache creates the logs |
| 10:57.37 | nvz | I want him to be able to read like /var/log/apache/ |
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| 10:58.23 | petemc | nvz: isnt that what the adm group is for |
| 10:58.32 | nvz | I'm not trying to keep _him_ out but I am trying to maintain a certain level of security.. which is why I am going to make his .ssh/authorized_keys file owned by root.. etc |
| 10:58.41 | PHPMonkey | hey why is gnome2.18 not in apt? |
| 10:58.46 | speeves | check out /etc/logrotate.d/apache2 |
| 10:58.59 | speeves | it creates the log files with 640 root adm |
| 10:59.00 | nvz | petemc: duh.. what I am asking is how to make sure the log files are owned by it.. if apache creates/rotates its logs it will revert them |
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| 10:59.30 | speeves | apache will not change the owner:group on a file |
| 10:59.32 | hark | nvz: adm |
| 10:59.38 | speeves | but will create them as root |
| 10:59.38 | nvz | ah.. it does.. well most of them |
| 10:59.51 | nvz | some on my system are root:root |
| 11:00.00 | nvz | the backups anyhow.. |
| 11:00.11 | speeves | so you just need to make sure the files are chowned something:something and then restart apache |
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| 11:00.42 | nvz | speeves: I'm not saying it will change them.. logrotate will rotate them and then apache will create new ones as whatever its configure to create them as |
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| 11:01.01 | nvz | my question was how to configure the group ownership apache creates logs as |
| 11:01.22 | nvz | but as long as it creates them root:adm like its suppose to thats fine |
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| 11:02.36 | nvz | I want him to be able to install modules, and write scripts and stuff if he needs to without needing me |
| 11:02.48 | speeves | mine are all owned by root:adm |
| 11:02.49 | nvz | the other web developers don't know how to do this so it doesnt matter |
| 11:03.58 | nvz | but he's competant enough to be root, I just don't want multiple people having root because I don't want to complicate the security protocol and I don't want to have holes opened up that I am not aware of being this system is inside a govt building and I am the one responsible for maintaining it |
| 11:04.22 | nvz | I'll give him access to anything he needs in the safest way possible |
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| 11:10.02 | dps | IS there a way to let users change their own password? |
| 11:10.05 | hoodlum | some one was saying earlier i had lost a bit of space on my raid 5 config of 300gb hdds, due to 5% of defaults? |
| 11:10.10 | hoodlum | or something similar |
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| 11:10.25 | hoodlum | /dev/md/0 587G 198M 557G 1% /home |
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| 11:10.43 | daya | Konqueror caon' |
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| 11:11.06 | hoodlum | yes |
| 11:11.12 | daya | konqueror can't print long pages , is there is any reason or how to overcome this problem, |
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| 11:12.03 | xand | hoodlum: man mkfs.ext3 |
| 11:12.07 | hoodlum | hmm ytes |
| 11:12.09 | hoodlum | yes* |
| 11:12.10 | hoodlum | i have read through this |
| 11:12.15 | hoodlum | but what 5% is taking up so much space |
| 11:12.20 | hoodlum | i dont know what the person meant when they've said this |
| 11:12.27 | hoodlum | like.. is it to store journalling information or? |
| 11:12.33 | xand | no, it's reserved |
| 11:12.36 | hoodlum | ok |
| 11:12.37 | xand | only root can use it |
| 11:12.43 | hoodlum | hmm |
| 11:12.47 | xand | so the disk cannot be filled by a normal user |
| 11:12.50 | hoodlum | what if i dont want root to use any |
| 11:12.55 | xand | change it to 0 |
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| 11:13.03 | hoodlum | as root has all of the root dir to use :D |
| 11:13.04 | hoodlum | which is like 120gb |
| 11:13.16 | hoodlum | and my storage partition is about 600gb |
| 11:13.18 | hoodlum | ahh thanks xand |
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| 11:13.20 | nafis_devlp1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.30 | xand | nafis_devlp1: yes (again0 |
| 11:13.31 | xand | ) |
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| 11:14.04 | nafis_devlp1 | xand: which ver?? |
| 11:14.40 | petemc | hoodlum: man tune2fs |
| 11:16.09 | speeves | nafis_devlp1: I would imagine that Etch without a gui would run on it, but you could always try woody (which was probably created for those specs, back in the day) |
| 11:16.30 | petemc | you're ignoring sarge? |
| 11:16.40 | nafis_devlp1 | thanks speeves :) |
| 11:16.47 | petemc | tho, i myself would use etch, which should work find |
| 11:16.49 | petemc | fine |
| 11:16.54 | speeves | petemc: no :) |
| 11:16.57 | hoodlum | oh YES |
| 11:17.00 | hoodlum | petemc |
| 11:17.01 | hoodlum | you're a legend |
| 11:17.33 | petemc | how nice of you to say.. |
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| 11:23.44 | metbsd | http://paste.debian.net/31418 i have this error when i do apt-get -f install |
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| 11:28.35 | abrotman | metbsd: what's your normal debconf interface ? |
| 11:28.53 | metbsd | what? |
| 11:28.59 | metbsd | i don't follow |
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| 11:29.03 | mosno | safe to assume ncurses, abrotman ;) |
| 11:29.17 | metbsd | what is debconf? |
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| 11:29.56 | abrotman | metbsd: when you do something like dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .. is it a blue/red console interface .. or something in X ? |
| 11:29.57 | Ramattack | hi all |
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| 11:30.10 | Ramattack | could anyone please tell me how many concurrent queries could bind accept? |
| 11:30.28 | mosno | nice question |
| 11:30.45 | metbsd | i don't know, i have no xserver |
| 11:30.56 | metbsd | and i won't install x server |
| 11:31.00 | metbsd | cuz it's a mail server |
| 11:31.02 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 11:31.03 | Ramattack | that's forme metbsd ? |
| 11:31.21 | metbsd | no Ramattack |
| 11:31.49 | abrotman | Ramattack: likely limited by hardware |
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| 11:31.53 | Ramattack | ok sorry metbsd |
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| 11:32.09 | Ramattack | abrotman, so there is no limit then by software? |
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| 11:33.49 | abrotman | Ramattack: not that i've heard of |
| 11:34.06 | Ramattack | ok thanks a lot mate!! :) |
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| 11:38.38 | abrotman | metbsd: have you had problems with any other packages before this ? |
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| 11:39.44 | b52laptop | hello |
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| 11:40.46 | abrotman | b52laptop: apt-cache show <pkg> |
| 11:41.27 | Ramattack | b52laptop, use tomcat own binaries from tomcat home, IMO they go better,,, |
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| 11:41.37 | S4nD3r | hi there... I have a problem |
| 11:41.55 | abrotman | !beer S4nD3r |
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| 11:41.58 | abrotman | problem fixed? |
| 11:41.58 | b52laptop | Ramattack, hm ok |
| 11:42.07 | mosno | any VB? |
| 11:42.29 | mosno | actually a Melbourne Bitter would be better |
| 11:42.30 | abrotman | mosno: ? |
| 11:42.33 | abrotman | oh |
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| 11:42.34 | mosno | abrotman: beer |
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| 11:42.36 | metbsd | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/31419 |
| 11:42.46 | Ramattack | you only would need to create the script for running but you can do it in apache script itself... you add needed lines and you're done |
| 11:42.47 | metbsd | everyone http://paste.debian.net/31419 |
| 11:42.57 | metbsd | http://paste.debian.net/31419 cannot install any pkg |
| 11:43.13 | abrotman | metbsd: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 11:43.22 | Ramattack | you know export_home and exports and later ./catalina.sh start |
| 11:43.37 | Ramattack | and you're done... |
| 11:44.01 | metbsd | abrotman, i already did that |
| 11:44.08 | tbamr | !beer |
| 11:44.08 | dpkg | somebody said beer was liquid gold mate |
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| 11:44.52 | S4nD3r | I have a problem !!!! I get to umount floppy |
| 11:45.01 | enouf | !!! |
| 11:45.01 | dpkg | i heard ! is I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
| 11:45.06 | S4nD3r | but do not umount pendrive |
| 11:45.57 | S4nD3r | oh... |
| 11:46.00 | S4nD3r | I works |
| 11:46.03 | S4nD3r | It works |
| 11:46.05 | S4nD3r | thanks anyway |
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| 11:48.58 | Feist_ | hi |
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| 11:50.10 | Feist_ | ich have one apt-specific question: |
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| 11:50.18 | Feist_ | ich = i |
| 11:50.21 | Feist_ | (german) |
| 11:50.25 | CyberMad | what is software like hyper-terminal on debian? |
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| 11:50.33 | CyberMad | what is the package name? |
| 11:50.54 | kombi | to load just one model at boot, which file again? |
| 11:50.56 | Feist_ | i want to list all pakets i've installed after system-installation manually without their dependencies |
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| 11:52.01 | abrotman | CyberMad: minicom and kermit |
| 11:52.12 | abrotman | might be ckermit or gkermit |
| 11:52.21 | abrotman | kombi: /etc/modules |
| 11:52.33 | kombi | thanks abrotman! |
| 11:52.36 | abrotman | Feist_: you mean oyu compiled them ? |
| 11:52.42 | Feist_ | no |
| 11:52.49 | Feist_ | uh how do i say.. |
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| 11:52.58 | Feist_ | you install your system, right? |
| 11:53.00 | abrotman | you mean you forced them ? |
| 11:53.12 | Feist_ | then you have e.g. gnome installed automatically |
| 11:53.13 | wols_ | Feist_: dpkg -l |
| 11:53.15 | abrotman | !de |
| 11:53.16 | dpkg | de is, like, deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 11:53.34 | abrotman | Feist_: oh .. i think there's a way with aptitude |
| 11:53.46 | Feist_ | and after you installed, and booted your system the foirst time you add other programs e.g. gvim |
| 11:53.53 | Feist_ | -o |
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| 11:54.11 | Feist_ | gvim has dependencies hich are automatically installed |
| 11:54.15 | Feist_ | +w |
| 11:54.25 | speeves | what about dpkg --get-selections? |
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| 11:54.34 | speeves | (Feist_) |
| 11:54.41 | Feist_ | but i only want a list of the pakets which i have installed |
| 11:54.53 | Feist_ | without dependencies |
| 11:54.59 | abrotman | speeves: that shows them all |
| 11:55.07 | Feist_ | without the needed system-pakets |
| 11:55.28 | abrotman | jelly: fix the darn aptitude man page! |
| 11:55.48 | omri | any idea how to setup an IPIP tunnel behind NAT? |
| 11:55.53 | Feist_ | u know how i mean? |
| 11:56.02 | Feist_ | *what |
| 11:56.10 | abrotman | Feist_: you want to know the packages you explicitly installed .. not the dependencies that were grabbed as a result |
| 11:56.14 | omri | oh, protocol 94, nvm :) |
| 11:56.19 | Feist_ | abrotman, yes! |
| 11:56.21 | karmatronic | omri: http://www.xs4all.nl/~yskes/howto/linux_ipip_tunnel.htm |
| 11:56.28 | abrotman | Feist_: and i don't even know german! |
| 11:56.45 | Feist_ | abrotman, huh? |
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| 11:56.52 | abrotman | Feist_: nevermind .. it was a joke |
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| 11:57.06 | tbamr | !beer |
| 11:57.06 | dpkg | beer is, like, liquid gold mate |
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| 11:57.10 | urso_ | hello |
| 11:57.10 | omri | karmatronic, it doesn't say what I asked, but I found out the answer myself :] grep -i ipip /etc/protocols :) |
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| 11:57.39 | Feist_ | abrotman, do you know a methos for my problem ? |
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| 11:57.45 | Feist_ | *method |
| 11:57.53 | abrotman | Feist_: it sounds like it'd be something in the aptitude manual |
| 11:58.01 | Feist_ | no i've searched |
| 11:58.10 | Feist_ | and asked many other peoples |
| 11:58.14 | abrotman | i don't mean the man page .. i mean the manual |
| 11:58.18 | Feist_ | but noone knows |
| 11:58.48 | Feist_ | is it allowed to post links in here ? |
| 11:59.00 | abrotman | a link .. yes |
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| 11:59.07 | Feist_ | u mean this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.de.html ? |
| 11:59.08 | azeem | as long as its on topic |
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| 11:59.11 | Feist_ | sry ist a german one :D |
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| 11:59.24 | wols_ | Feist_: I will translate for abrotman |
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| 11:59.45 | Feist_ | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.html here in eglich :D |
| 11:59.49 | Feist_ | +n |
| 11:59.51 | wols_ | *believeably |
| 11:59.52 | abrotman | Feist_: no .. the aptitude manual .. |
| 12:00.11 | abrotman | Feist_: like the aptitude-en-doc package |
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| 12:00.39 | Feist_ | hmmm.... |
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| 12:01.19 | abrotman | though .. for whatever reason .. it seems to come in czech,english,french, and finnish |
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| 12:01.31 | abrotman | (unless i'm missing something) |
| 12:01.55 | abrotman | http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/ |
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| 12:02.17 | abrotman | but i'm not sure it's actually in there .. but i'd guess it'd be the best place to check |
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| 12:03.14 | abrotman | Feist_: ah ..i think i found it |
| 12:03.34 | Feist_ | aptitude search "~M" |
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| 12:03.58 | Feist_ | lists all installed packets you've installed + it's dependencies |
| 12:04.09 | Feist_ | but i don't want to list the dependencies.. |
| 12:04.18 | Feist_ | abrotman, tell me :) |
| 12:04.20 | abrotman | looks like ~g .. but i'm not sure |
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| 12:04.41 | abrotman | where the heck did all our aptitude wizards go :) |
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| 12:05.19 | abrotman | Feist_: oh wait .. i was wrong |
| 12:05.25 | Feist_ | i think so :D |
| 12:05.36 | Feist_ | is lists many many libs |
| 12:05.37 | Feist_ | :D |
| 12:05.44 | Feist_ | *it |
| 12:05.50 | abrotman | it is ~M |
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| 12:06.07 | Feist_ | i was told so, but ~M lists also the dependencies |
| 12:06.20 | abrotman | Feist_: ~M |
| 12:06.20 | abrotman | Matches packages which were automatically installed. |
| 12:06.29 | abrotman | which AFAICT .. is what you're trying to do |
| 12:06.44 | Feist_ | huh? |
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| 12:06.46 | abrotman | assuming i understood your question correctly ... |
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| 12:07.04 | omri | I'm facing a dilema, I want to create a RAID5, the thing is, I can create one with 5x250GB or 4x320GB, what would be preferred? (the size doesn't matter, I'm asking performance-wise) |
| 12:07.11 | Feist_ | i want to list all the packages which i have installed myself in apitude or so |
| 12:07.28 | Feist_ | without theri dependencies |
| 12:07.34 | abrotman | oh . i got it backwards .. |
| 12:07.35 | Feist_ | *their |
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| 12:07.44 | h3sp4wn | Feist_: ~i!~M |
| 12:07.45 | hark | then do !~M |
| 12:08.08 | Feist_ | oO bash: !~M: event not found |
| 12:08.30 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: i was gonna recommend a diff :) |
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| 12:09.03 | Feist_ | what do i have to type in exactly? i tried aptitude search "!~M" |
| 12:09.25 | h3sp4wn | aptitude search \~i\!~M |
| 12:09.30 | abrotman | you need the quotes i believe |
| 12:09.42 | abrotman | nope .. |
| 12:09.55 | h3sp4wn | (that definately works for me with zsh) |
| 12:10.01 | quitte_ | omri: if the controllers don't make a difference 5* should be faster |
| 12:10.14 | Feist_ | lol |
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| 12:10.57 | biatche | there a way to determine an interface uptime? |
| 12:11.00 | Feist_ | any ideas ? |
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| 12:11.31 | Feist_ | mustn't be with aptitude, can be apt-get / apt-cache too :D |
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| 12:11.41 | abrotman | no .. it'll be aptitude |
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| 12:11.59 | h3sp4wn | Feist_: aptitude search ~i\!~M (what is wrong with that) |
| 12:12.25 | omri | quitte_, it's a software raid, which brings me to my next question; Is hardware raid "alot" better? |
| 12:12.51 | omri | in software raid I can grow my RAID5, I don't think it's possible with hardware raid |
| 12:13.00 | Enverex | Hardware RAID is more "convienent" |
| 12:13.15 | Feist_ | it's not the result i want... there are the dependencies listed... |
| 12:13.26 | Absolute0 | is there a way to disable the grub session chooser at bootup(besides setting timeout to 0)? |
| 12:13.31 | omri | Enverex, how's that? I find software raid great... |
| 12:14.02 | omri | Absolute0, why setting the timeout to 0 not ok? |
| 12:14.06 | abrotman | Feist_: it works here |
| 12:14.09 | enouf | Feist_: are you trying to grab only what the installer installed prior to the 1st reboot? |
| 12:14.10 | Enverex | omri, It's all configured in a safe little pre-OS screen, no worries about needing the right software or things set up on the OS itself. Basically it's transparent. |
| 12:14.18 | Feist_ | no |
| 12:14.24 | Absolute0 | omri: no reason, i just thought theres a more effecient method |
| 12:14.25 | Absolute0 | :-P |
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| 12:14.42 | Feist_ | how can i better describe what i want.... |
| 12:14.55 | abrotman | Feist_: you don't want base packages installed during the install ? |
| 12:14.57 | omri | Enverex, I know what it is :) you don't have to worry about the raid itself, instead, you have to worry about monitoring it |
| 12:15.11 | h3sp4wn | Feist: You can mark the dependancies as auto |
| 12:15.14 | Feist_ | 1) you install your base-system with the distribution-installer |
| 12:15.15 | quitte_ | omri: i personally think that the best argument for software raid is that you won't ever have the problem of a broken controller and being unable to replace it. |
| 12:15.28 | omri | quitte_, and you don't have to worry about monitoring it |
| 12:15.51 | omri | I have a IBM x3650 with Adaptec ServerRAID 8k |
| 12:15.59 | Feist_ | in the "base-system" are installed e.g. gcc, X11 and so on, in addition the dependencies of gcc, X11 |
| 12:16.05 | abrotman | omri: can i have it? :) |
| 12:16.05 | omri | it's been such a hassle to get it working (the monitoring, that is) |
| 12:16.08 | Feist_ | i don't want to list them |
| 12:16.22 | omri | abrotman, belive me, you don't want it :P |
| 12:16.29 | omri | gave me such a headace. |
| 12:16.31 | Feist_ | after you boot your system the first time you _add_ some more programs such as thunderbird |
| 12:16.43 | abrotman | omri: i have serveraid here .. seems fine |
| 12:16.43 | Feist_ | thunderbird has dependencies too |
| 12:17.08 | omri | abrotman, after hard-reboot it entered to Auth Synchronizing mode |
| 12:17.16 | Feist_ | i want a search-pattern, which lists me in the end (with this example) _only_ thunderbird |
| 12:17.18 | abrotman | yay! |
| 12:17.29 | Feist_ | you understood? |
| 12:17.30 | omri | abrotman, that was a firmware bug, I have the beta firmware now |
| 12:17.48 | abrotman | what could go wrong with that |
| 12:18.06 | quitte_ | unnecessary harddisk wear? |
| 12:18.07 | omri | abrotman, it started rebuilding the array after each hard-reboot |
| 12:18.16 | abrotman | Feist_: i'm honestly not sure you can filter it that far .. you can try to remove packages in the 'base' section also |
| 12:18.23 | omri | btw, do hardware raids support RAID5 growth? |
| 12:18.24 | abrotman | omri: don't do that ? |
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| 12:18.32 | omri | abrotman, that was unplanned reboots. |
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| 12:18.54 | omri | abrotman, that's not the issue. the issue is that it rebuilt the array and made the system unuseable |
| 12:19.00 | omri | in a production environment!!! |
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| 12:19.32 | Feist_ | i want to list these pakets, because after some time you installed a library, a program etc... after a half of a year you don't remember these packets -> garbage! |
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| 12:20.09 | Feist_ | this would be a method to clean up your system from trash |
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| 12:20.31 | stew | Feist_: have a look at debfoster ; or use /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 12:21.01 | stew | Feist_: or use only aptitude then /var/log/aptitude |
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| 12:23.15 | enouf | apt-cache depends mozplugger | cut -d" " -f1 will do one pkg at a time a bit fugly (lots of whitespace, and one pkg at a time) ..lol |
| 12:24.07 | jelly-home | omri: (hw raid5 growing) at least some don't. |
| 12:25.25 | omri | jelly-home, the cheap ones don't? |
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| 12:25.51 | Feist_ | stew, thanks that was a good idea :) |
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| 12:26.18 | abrotman | Feist_: look at deborphan also |
| 12:26.19 | jelly-home | omri: the older ones don't, probably the cheaper too. |
| 12:26.31 | jelly-home | debfoster > deborphan |
| 12:26.39 | Feist_ | what are debfoster an deborphan ? |
| 12:26.47 | Feist_ | +d |
| 12:27.08 | jelly-home | Feist_: apt-cache show XXX will show their desriptions |
| 12:27.24 | jelly-home | Feist_: apps to handle removal of unused packages |
| 12:27.32 | stew | Feist_: "apt-cache show debfoster deborphan" |
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| 12:27.40 | enouf | really really fugly now .. dpkg --get-selections | cut -d" " -f1 | xargs apt-cache depends .* | cut -d" " -f1 |
| 12:27.42 | omri | I need a SATA raid controller which supports linux well (well as in has monitoring tools) and supports RAID5 growth |
| 12:27.47 | omri | any recommandations? |
| 12:27.52 | stew | enouf: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:28.04 | abrotman | jelly-home: it's only ">" if you've taken the time to set it up to start with |
| 12:28.05 | enouf | stew: something like what Feist_ was asking for |
| 12:28.06 | xand | omri: I'd use software raid |
| 12:28.17 | omri | xand, why is that? |
| 12:28.21 | jelly-home | abrotman: negative, you don't have to set it up in advance |
| 12:28.31 | abrotman | jelly-home: no .. it just takes three days then :) |
| 12:28.32 | xand | mainly because if your card dies you won't be able to access the data |
| 12:28.33 | enouf | stew: it kinda works .. but needs to remove tons of extra /n lines |
| 12:28.34 | xand | !raid |
| 12:28.34 | dpkg | it has been said that raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, [Software Raid], http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels |
| 12:28.38 | Feist_ | stew, debfoster do the same as apt-get autoremove ? |
| 12:28.40 | xand | !software raid |
| 12:28.40 | dpkg | i guess software raid is commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html, also see http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html, or see section 6.3.2.2 of the <ig> |
| 12:28.48 | jelly-home | abrotman: but you do have to spend a couple hours (2-3 hours for a nice grown system) |
| 12:29.01 | abrotman | right .. no thanks .. i'll stick to deborphan |
| 12:29.11 | xand | omri: many "hardware" RAID cards work in software :| |
| 12:29.15 | jelly-home | abrotman: IMHO it's worth to do a debfoster session, then switch completely to aptitude |
| 12:29.20 | abrotman | lies! :) |
| 12:29.22 | omri | xand, I know what raid\software raid is. I'm asking why would you choose software raid over hardware raid in such installations? |
| 12:29.37 | omri | xand, hardware raids can be monitored via software (with the right tools) |
| 12:29.54 | stew | enouf: not even close |
| 12:29.55 | xand | \ is the wrong slash... and I gave a reason |
| 12:29.56 | Feist_ | i use aptitude only, so i don't need debfoster/deborphan? |
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| 12:30.05 | enouf | stew: ouch .. ;-( |
| 12:30.12 | stew | Feist_: i've never heard of "apt-get autoremove" what version of apt-get is that? |
| 12:30.25 | jelly-home | Feist_: if you have started with aptitude right after the installation, it should be enough |
| 12:30.28 | h3sp4wn | stew: 0.7.x |
| 12:30.44 | h3sp4wn | stew: (in unstable now for i386 only - not build on amd64) |
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| 12:31.01 | jelly-home | Feist_: at least, you should have significantly less cruft than you'd have if you used apt. |
| 12:31.16 | stew | Feist_: no, its not the same as apt-get autoremove ; debfoster will also help you to possibly remove packages that were manually installed |
| 12:31.21 | Feist_ | cruft? (sorry i'm german) |
| 12:31.50 | jelly-home | Feist_: hm, leftover, unused pieces of garbage |
| 12:31.52 | Pinnen | I have a fresh install of debian, but I forgot to check this options in the startup-installation. How can I get back to this configuration window? http://www.desktoplinux.com/files/article109/debian-24.jpg |
| 12:32.10 | Pinnen | from the console that is |
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| 12:32.37 | stew | Pinnen: run tasksel |
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| 12:35.14 | omri | btw, do embbed (as in motherboard) RAID controllers support RAID5? (with growth, possibly) |
| 12:35.37 | abrotman | some of them .. but it's not common |
| 12:35.42 | jelly-home | omri: duh, check the specs |
| 12:35.55 | omri | jelly-home, I'm asking before I even chose the motherboard :) |
| 12:35.56 | jelly-home | some server boards do |
| 12:36.00 | omri | to know what to look for :P |
| 12:36.07 | abrotman | you'd check for .. RAID5 ? |
| 12:36.13 | Enverex | FakeRAID isn't worth the trouble |
| 12:36.14 | omri | it's not a server box, it's a backup box |
| 12:36.31 | stew | look for a price tag over $400 |
| 12:36.31 | omri | I need storage, storage storage storage! |
| 12:36.42 | jelly-home | "backup box? buy something cheap and unreliable" :-D |
| 12:36.44 | omri | nah, I'd use software raid instead. not woth it. |
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| 12:36.59 | omri | jelly-home, who says software raid is unreliable? |
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| 12:37.13 | Feist_ | thanks people, i think only using aptitude and using /var/log/aptitude should be enough for me :) |
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| 12:37.20 | omri | it's much more reliable than a ServeRAID 8k controller which has almost NO linux support |
| 12:37.21 | stew | omri: if you are going to use software raid then any motherboard you can connect up to 3 block devices to |
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| 12:37.29 | jelly-home | omri: I think you said you don't want a server box but a backup one... |
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| 12:37.43 | omri | jelly-home, I'm talking about a box I already have. |
| 12:37.46 | stew | omri: so anything with a single usb port |
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| 12:37.58 | jelly-home | omri: you have PCIe slots? |
| 12:38.01 | Pinnen | stew: will try.. thanks :) |
| 12:38.25 | omri | jelly-home, possibly :P |
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| 12:38.43 | omri | jelly-home, note that it'll be SATA drives |
| 12:38.57 | stew | omri: do you have a motherboard that will accept at least 3 sata drives? |
| 12:39.00 | jelly-home | omri: you can go cheap way and buy 4-6 non-raid PCIe SATA controllers to stuff as many SATA disks as possible ;-) |
| 12:39.11 | stew | 4-6? |
| 12:39.23 | omri | stew, yup |
| 12:39.35 | stew | omri: then you can run software raid5 on it |
| 12:39.39 | jelly-home | stew: that's for 8-10 disks |
| 12:39.40 | omri | jelly-home, that was my thought :] |
| 12:39.47 | jelly-home | 8-12, sorry |
| 12:39.51 | omri | stew, I know. that wasn't the question :) |
| 12:40.05 | omri | jelly-home, my problem won't be SATA ports when I'll reach this size :) |
| 12:40.16 | stew | omri: what is the question then? |
| 12:40.20 | omri | I would start carring about the HEAT and the PSU(s) :P |
| 12:40.22 | redduck666 | omri: than start buying bigger disks :) |
| 12:40.28 | omri | stew, software raid or hardware raid |
| 12:40.38 | jelly-home | there are a couple for benchmarks for linux soft raid with that kind of setup that show decent performance |
| 12:40.45 | omri | redduck666, nah. 320GB will do the trick :) |
| 12:41.02 | omri | jelly-home, the CPU will be fast enough, some core2duo |
| 12:41.16 | stew | ? |
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| 12:41.42 | abrotman | make it stop ... :) |
| 12:41.45 | Michael_K | hello everyone i have a problem with the mounting of my windows xp partition every time i try to mount it i get this error message "hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000"....can anyone help me out with this pls thank you? |
| 12:41.51 | stew | the question is "software raid or hardware raid", but he has already said, "> nah, I'd use software raid instead. not woth it. |
| 12:42.16 | CyberMadz | what this error mean? ./configure checking for gcc... gcc checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables ? |
| 12:42.24 | CyberMadz | how to fix it? |
| 12:42.33 | stew | CyberMadz: aptitude install build-essential |
| 12:42.35 | jelly-home | omri: If hw raid: I have an oldish 8x250 SATA setup with a single Vortex controller, and windows guys have some 3ware stuff, I'd go with 3ware if hw raid. No experience with Areca controllers. |
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| 12:42.57 | CyberMadz | thanks |
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| 12:44.30 | artagnon | how do I create LDAP users with restricted permissions so I don't have to use rootdn every time |
| 12:44.34 | artagnon | ? |
| 12:45.00 | omri | jelly-home, thanks |
| 12:45.01 | redduck666 | artagnon: create a user and grant him only the privileges you want. |
| 12:45.16 | abrotman | artagnon: ask #ldap |
| 12:45.25 | artagnon | abrotman: okay |
| 12:45.30 | artagnon | redduck666: what schemas? |
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| 12:46.08 | Michael_K | hey guys i have a problem with the mounting of my windows xp partition every time i try to mount it i get this error message "hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000"....can anyone help me out with this? |
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| 12:47.50 | redduck666 | Michael_K: add yourself to the group hal uses? |
| 12:49.35 | Michael_K | redduck666: ok......but am....how to do that? do i use kde user manager? |
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| 12:49.53 | redduck666 | Michael_K: i don't know how to work with kde user manager. |
| 12:50.08 | redduck666 | adduser <your user> plugdev #does it from console. |
| 12:50.59 | Michael_K | redduck666: ok |
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| 12:52.06 | flami | Michael_K, i think in KDE its in the user manager then modify the user and add him in the "secondary group" |
| 12:52.11 | CharminTheMoose | how do i make dpkg output all my install packages in such a way that I can do a 'apt-get install --reinstall `cat list`'? |
| 12:52.18 | CharminTheMoose | *installed |
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| 12:52.31 | stew | CharminTheMoose: /msg dpkg reinstall |
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| 12:55.12 | Michael_K | redduck666: am i got this message sayin that my user is already a memeber of plugdev |
| 12:55.26 | Michael_K | flami: ok i will try it |
| 12:55.48 | stew | plugdev is only for removable volumes, not for fixed volumes |
| 12:55.54 | redduck666 | Michael_K: how did you mount the partition? |
| 12:56.19 | redduck666 | stew: isn't plugdev the group hal uses? |
| 12:56.32 | stew | redduck666: for removable volumes, not for fixed volumes |
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| 12:57.34 | stew | Michael_K: if you want your non-root user to be able to mount a fixed volume, add the 'user' option to /etc/fstab (man fstab) |
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| 12:59.15 | Michael_K | stew: i paste my fstab in pastebin........ http://www.pastebin.ca/590198 |
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| 13:00.25 | stew | Michael_K: i don't see an xp partition in there, you should add an entry |
| 13:00.28 | flami | i think if you want to use the "icons" in KDE you need to have the drive in th fstab |
| 13:00.42 | Michael_K | stew: ok....how to do that |
| 13:01.02 | stew | Michael_K: i'd recommend running "sensible-editor /etc/fstab" after reading "man fstab" |
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| 13:01.24 | jakub_ | hello |
| 13:01.27 | jakub_ | i have problem with KRDC |
| 13:01.29 | jakub_ | it`s too slow |
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| 13:01.50 | stew | possibly one could configure this via /etc/hal/fdi but i dunno, fstab is really a better way |
| 13:02.12 | jakub_ | how to use it normally |
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| 13:04.24 | Michael_K | stew: am kinda lost here.... how do i add an entry of xp partition....and how do i run sensible-editor....do i run it in the run command |
| 13:04.37 | jakub_ | hi |
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| 13:04.40 | jakub_ | i`m here now :-) |
| 13:04.47 | jakub_ | why X remote session does not running ? |
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| 13:04.53 | jakub_ | on other side is ubuntu, i have debian |
| 13:04.56 | jakub_ | i connecting from console :| |
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| 13:07.27 | roldyx | hello |
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| 13:08.39 | roldyx | somebody knows the time that run logrotate? |
| 13:08.57 | roldyx | 1am 2am?? |
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| 13:09.53 | stew | Michael_K: do you know how to edit a file? |
| 13:10.35 | cast | roldyx: check your cron i suspect |
| 13:10.44 | CyberMadz | does anyone know how to quit from minicom? |
| 13:10.45 | stew | Michael_K: you need to edit /etc/fstab as root. you need to add a line corresponding to your xp partition, this line will have 6 columns, what goes into each column is explained if you run "man fstab" |
| 13:10.52 | CyberMadz | i can not exit to shell |
| 13:10.59 | stew | Michael_K: if you have a question about one of the particular columns, ask |
| 13:11.28 | redduck666 | CyberMadz: it is explained in the help of minicom... |
| 13:11.59 | stew | CyberMadz: right at the bottom it says "CTRL-A Z for help" |
| 13:12.53 | CyberMadz | geez.. i can't hit CTRL-A Z.. but nevermind.. i can hit CTRL+A then Q |
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| 13:13.19 | vlt | Hello. Does anyone know how I can stop ghostscript from asking me to press <return> after every single processed paged when converting a pdf file? The command I used is `gs -sDEVICE=pgm -r300 -sOutputFile=OUT300.pgm IN.pdf`. |
| 13:13.28 | Cryx | hmm, in my ssh connection marks äåö work perfectly but when i try to put them on web-page they doesnt show up correctly... anyone know whats wrong? |
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| 13:14.22 | stew | Cryx: what output encoding are you using for the webpage? |
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| 13:14.48 | Cryx | how can i see that? :/ |
| 13:15.21 | Michael_K | stew: ok i will |
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| 13:16.20 | roldyx | cast, perfect, i understand this :D |
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| 13:16.47 | roldyx | cast, logrotate run daily in my debian :) |
| 13:16.55 | cast | roldyx: :) |
| 13:17.06 | stew | Cryx: it would be in a <meta tag with a charset attribute in the <head> section of the html |
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| 13:18.25 | Michael_K | stew: i was doin some reasrch earlier and i saw someone recommend usin ntfs-config .....is that any good? |
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| 13:18.56 | stew | Michael_K: never heard of it |
| 13:18.56 | Cryx | stew if i make like small txt file containing some shit, without any tags it does that too.. so nothing wrong in meta i guess |
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| 13:19.07 | samotnik | Hello to everybody! Has anybody successfully installed ATI fglrx driver on Debian Etch? |
| 13:19.40 | stew | Cryx: if you are putting anything other than ascii in a web-page, you should be explicitly setting the output-encoding via a meta tag |
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| 13:19.58 | mik3 | good morning |
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| 13:20.01 | stew | samotnik: just assume the answer is yes, and ask your real question |
| 13:20.09 | sn0 | samotnik yes, you can install it from apt-get |
| 13:20.09 | Cryx | but it worked correctly before i reinstalled my system :/ |
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| 13:20.34 | sn0 | fglrx-driver is the package, then read the folder in /usr/share/doc about how to enable |
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| 13:22.53 | bh__ | Is it possible to set a min. free RAM value? I'm running Debian on the EFIKA and when the system tries to free RAM by emptying the memory buffer it takes too long, even freezing the mouse cursor if it's a lot. |
| 13:23.37 | bh__ | and scaring the crap out of me if I'm playing music :P |
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| 13:24.15 | samotnik | After loading a kernel module OpenGL programs cease to work, and Xorg itself refuses to redraw program windows when moving or changing content. I'm in trouble... |
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| 13:25.12 | petemc | bh__: you could adjust /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
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| 13:25.30 | quitte_ | bh__: does that happen when your hard disk has to spin up? |
| 13:26.45 | bh__ | I have no HD swap file as it makes everything slower - just the greediness of the RAM buffer that's bothering me |
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| 13:27.22 | uniques | is there a package for a REALLY basic KDE install on Debian? |
| 13:27.31 | uniques | without the excess applications. |
| 13:27.34 | H4X | Is there an alternative for Debian? |
| 13:27.40 | Shadur | ... Wonder if Etch'll even support a 2.2.x kernel. |
| 13:27.49 | roldyx | uniques, apt-get install kdebase |
| 13:28.01 | uniques | roldyx: nice |
| 13:28.01 | stew | H4X: an alternative what? an alternative OS? |
| 13:28.06 | Shadur | H4X: Alternative in what sense? |
| 13:28.11 | H4X | Anythings other then debian based , i dont know why its not working on my pc |
| 13:28.11 | petemc | bh__: you should read up on what that parameter controls before dismissing it entirely |
| 13:28.24 | stew | H4X: you are in the wrong channel, perhaps try ##linux |
| 13:28.26 | Shadur | Theoretically any other distro would be an 'alternative', I suppose. |
| 13:28.33 | H4X | OK one thing |
| 13:28.40 | H4X | why debian can't run my friend program? |
| 13:28.41 | bh__ | Don't see why it has to use almost all available RAM to cache |
| 13:28.47 | Shadur | H4X: I'm going to hazard a guess and say the problem lies with you. |
| 13:28.51 | Shadur | What "friend program" ? |
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| 13:29.08 | H4X | plt :) its nice game , its steal a beta in he used .NET in it |
| 13:29.10 | Shadur | I've heard of Friend Computer (who is your Friend. Trust the Computer. Obey the Computer. The Computer wants you to be Happy.) |
| 13:29.20 | H4X | plt v0.2b.exe |
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| 13:29.31 | Shadur | H4X: ... .NET is a windows application suite. It's not going to work in linux. |
| 13:29.32 | diskus | sound like a troll talk to me :P |
| 13:29.42 | H4X | and what is debian? |
| 13:30.02 | Shadur | H4X: I'm going to update my earlier guess and say you're either a moron or a troll. |
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| 13:30.26 | H4X | but really it doesnt work i get it yesterday and all the cds i have , didnt get installed |
| 13:30.27 | Shadur | This, of course, is just a guess, based on observational evidence and long experience. |
| 13:31.05 | H4X | btw they are all orginal (HLF2 , NFS and others) |
| 13:31.28 | Shadur | H4X: And none of them will work in linux because they're written for windows. |
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| 13:31.54 | H4X | but there are many windows in debian , you can run any of the installed programs and it will run in its own window |
| 13:31.59 | quitte_ | i know that halflife1 works with wine |
| 13:32.12 | quitte_ | hahaha. good one |
| 13:32.14 | H4X | you are drunk? |
| 13:32.16 | Shadur | Okay, now you're just trolling. |
| 13:32.41 | peppe | quitte_: (OT) also hl-2 and hl-2 e.1 work very well |
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| 13:33.08 | H4X | peppe but why its didnt work with me? |
| 13:33.40 | xerophyte | with Gnome is there anyway i can save the current session and open the application i have it open now all the time ? |
| 13:33.42 | H4X | i tried debian , ubuntu and one i forget about it , all the same and they all useless to me |
| 13:34.30 | Shadur | H4X: As stated earlier, the one common factor in all your failures is you. |
| 13:34.45 | quitte_ | Shadur: stop feeding the troll |
| 13:34.53 | hark | xerophyte: gnome-session-properties |
| 13:35.10 | xerophyte | hark, where can i find that :( |
| 13:35.24 | H4X | and why is that? i have in my windows 2000 x-chat working in it and also on debian but hlf2 cant be run , it asks me for a program to do it! (it is a program!) why it should need a program to do it? |
| 13:35.48 | H4X | But i am sure if i found a way to added it self into the programs list and when it asks me for the program i will select it then its will work |
| 13:35.49 | hark | xerophyte: just run it, or should be there somewhere in preferences->sessions iirc |
| 13:35.50 | H4X | but i dont know how |
| 13:36.02 | Shadur | !ops H4X is trolling. |
| 13:36.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: shadur complains about: H4X is trolling. |
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| 13:36.18 | hark | H4X: check appdb.winehq.org or try #winehq |
| 13:36.18 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.18 | quitte_ | H4X: the program you are supposed to use is wine. but as you primarily want games use windows |
| 13:36.21 | xerophyte | hark thanks |
| 13:36.54 | H4X | i though debian is faster then windows , thats why i am using it |
| 13:37.05 | Nichev1 | damn MS for having the most popular gfx api |
| 13:37.06 | Nichev1 | >< |
| 13:37.24 | H4X | did you hear about openGL? ;) |
| 13:37.32 | Nichev1 | yes |
| 13:37.36 | Nichev1 | it's good |
| 13:37.38 | H4X | thats enouch for linux |
| 13:37.39 | peppe | did you hear that HL-2 uses directx? |
| 13:37.50 | H4X | lol ,i know i was just kidding here |
| 13:37.58 | H4X | Cedega will run it fine as i think |
| 13:38.19 | H4X | Enverex you still here? |
| 13:38.32 | Enverex | Yes... |
| 13:38.42 | H4X | Goood , can i get my -b now? ;) |
| 13:38.47 | Enverex | No |
| 13:38.51 | H4X | LOL |
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| 13:39.05 | H4X | isnt thats eouch to you , i am asking about wine will i should ask it #winehq |
| 13:39.27 | H4X | Anyway i see the guys here are nice , and better then you so i am asking it here |
| 13:39.58 | Enverex | Why are you even on this network? All you ever do is troll |
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| 13:40.14 | H4X | if i installed windows partion (win 2000) and i mount it into /mnt/win2000 , If i configed winehq to use it as windows dir , willt his gona make it better? (supporting all the progaram?) |
| 13:40.34 | Shadur | H4X: Not likely. |
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| 13:40.44 | H4X | Well you answered yourself , so do like from me to repeat what you said? '.' |
| 13:41.08 | H4X | Thats the best answer i got since now! , Enverex couldn't say that! |
| 13:41.16 | ab3l | hi, a little problem about bluetooth: when using obexftp mobile phone guess for pin tried either changing /etc/bluetooth/pin and using default one '1234' but phone says pin refused why ? |
| 13:41.23 | H4X | he said it with +b , see it simple answer and thats it |
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| 13:42.03 | dererk | someone running testing with some minutes to test a possible bug? |
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| 13:42.36 | quitte_ | dererk: if it's nothin too fancy |
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| 13:42.40 | Enverex | H4X, You were banned because you kept evading bans, K-Lines and spamming channel |
| 13:43.02 | Gyuszk | Hi guys, how can I restric an apache (2.2 etch package) virtual host to be accessed only from a specific IP ? |
| 13:43.02 | H4X | lol , you start it , i wasnt going to do that if you said "Not likly" |
| 13:43.13 | H4X | see the config file |
| 13:43.16 | dererk | quitte_, not really, I wanted to check if apt-spy was segmentfaulting to other one than me |
| 13:43.52 | H4X | Btw enverex do you know that i was in your channel yesterday? (i am sure you didnt) ;) |
| 13:43.57 | redduck666 | Gyuszk: <VirtualHost <your ip>:80> |
| 13:44.23 | Enverex | H4X, Which one? |
| 13:44.58 | H4X | #winehq |
| 13:45.08 | quitte_ | dererk: sid 3.1-16+b3 shows its help here. the system is a mix of sid and lenny |
| 13:45.16 | H4X | but i didnt talk or said anythings ;) , i am having enouch problems to fix them |
| 13:45.27 | Gyuszk | thx redduck666 |
| 13:45.28 | Shadur | H4X: Hate to burst your bubble of self-importance, but what makes you think anyone's going to bother remember one more blathering moron longer than five minutes after you're booted out? |
| 13:45.29 | H4X | and you arent one of them |
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| 13:45.42 | dererk | quitte_, ok, thanks |
| 13:45.51 | H4X | ammm . he remberd me after 2 weeks , i even forget that thinge xD |
| 13:45.58 | H4X | can't beleaive that |
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| 13:46.33 | H4X | i just went to his channel (After 2 weeks which tootaly forgeted about his channe) and looks liek this OMG , + Ban |
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| 13:46.56 | Ronin | H4X: shitlist or perm on abot |
| 13:47.09 | H4X | ammm , can i have 3rd option , please? |
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| 13:47.21 | H4X | like reading without saying anythings |
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| 13:47.23 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 13:49.45 | omri | how do I enable spell checking on xchat? |
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| 13:49.55 | H4X | there is one!? |
| 13:50.05 | omri | on ubuntu there was :P |
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| 13:50.14 | cast | omri: do you think #debian or #xchat is a better place to ask that |
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| 13:50.25 | H4X | Debian if it based on it |
| 13:50.37 | H4X | but you didnt ask me so i wont say that |
| 13:50.39 | irule | how can I see a list of installed packages that are not part of base? |
| 13:50.54 | abrotman | omri: yes .. it's there .. check the recommends |
| 13:51.11 | omri | abrotman, what do you mean? |
| 13:51.15 | ab3l | hi, a little problem about bluetooth: when using obexftp mobile phone guess for pin tried either changing /etc/bluetooth/pin and using default one '1234' but phone says pin refused why ? |
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| 13:51.23 | enouf | Michael_K: (as much as i loathe doing this) i think if you follow the urls dpkg shows you from doing "/msg dpkg ntfs-3g" in your client -- i think they have some nice examples there |
| 13:51.37 | H4X | this channel is worrest then others |
| 13:51.40 | H4X | cya guyz |
| 13:52.01 | karmatronic | ab3l: try 0000 |
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| 13:52.18 | Michael_K | stew: i read the man fstab ...and i went and edit the fstab and added this entry "/dev/hda2/mnt/hda2ntfsauto,user00"......but then i got this message "[mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab |
| 13:52.18 | Michael_K | mount: mount point /media/hda2 does not exist |
| 13:52.20 | quitte_ | \o/ |
| 13:53.14 | Michael_K | enouf: ok |
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| 13:54.10 | CyberMadz | where is apache configuration on debian? i want to remove default index.htm / index.html |
| 13:54.19 | omri | just installed aspell-en and restarted xchat, works like a charm :) |
| 13:54.22 | stew | CyberMadz: apache or apache2? |
| 13:54.33 | Shadur | CyberMadz: /etc/apache/sites-available or /etc/apache2/sites-available/ |
| 13:54.43 | Shadur | Depending on which version you have installed. |
| 13:54.44 | stew | there is on /etc/apache/sites-available |
| 13:54.47 | stew | ^on^no |
| 13:55.07 | Shadur | There isn't? Oh, right, back then it was just conf.d, right? |
| 13:55.23 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:55.36 | speeves | back in the olden days :) |
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| 13:55.43 | graytron | in Sarge's latest update for debootrap, its changelog reads "Drop support for sarge from the udeb.". what does this mean? |
| 13:55.55 | CyberMadz | i run apache2 |
| 13:56.10 | CyberMadz | actually i already saw /etc/apache2 |
| 13:56.11 | enouf | Michael_K: that error might just be b/c you need a new line at the end of the file .. so edit it again and place the cursor over the last character and hit Enter (a few times won't hurt) then save and exit |
| 13:56.16 | karmatronic | CyberMadz: locate httpd.conf |
| 13:56.18 | CyberMadz | but httpd.conf is 0 byte |
| 13:56.18 | stew | CyberMadz: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/* |
| 13:56.32 | karmatronic | locate apache.conf |
| 13:56.34 | stew | CyberMadz: yes, its empty by default |
| 13:56.36 | stew | karmatronic: stop |
| 13:56.37 | CyberMadz | there is apache2.conf |
| 13:56.44 | enouf | Michael_K: there's also a way to do it easier, like cat /etc/fstab << EOF , but i'm not sure about that one |
| 13:56.49 | stew | CyberMadz: yes, you should, in general never have to touch apache2.conf |
| 13:56.51 | CyberMadz | but there is no information about index.html |
| 13:56.56 | enouf | Michael_K: so don't do that ;-) |
| 13:57.22 | CyberMadz | so, where is the correct file to edit? |
| 13:57.29 | stew | 08:56 < stew> CyberMadz: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/* |
| 13:57.30 | speeves | CyberMadz: it is in apache2.conf |
| 13:57.33 | stew | speeves: no |
| 13:57.38 | CyberMadz | oh ok, sorry i don't see it |
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| 13:58.07 | karmatronic | stew: it s in apache2.conf |
| 13:58.12 | stew | karmatronic: no, it is not |
| 13:58.15 | stew | CyberMadz: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 13:58.33 | karmatronic | stew: depends whether you want a modular vision or not |
| 13:58.38 | Enverex | How do you do a /whois lookup on a hostmask rather than name? |
| 13:58.41 | stew | karmatronic: no, it does not |
| 13:58.52 | CyberMadz | stew do you know how to make default open index.php instead index.html / index.htm ? |
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| 13:59.28 | stew | CyberMadz: by setting DirectoryIndex |
| 13:59.44 | mik3 | anyone know how to go about making iptables use a proxy server for telneting? |
| 14:00.08 | xand | mik3: tell it to direct all connectionts to port 22 to a specific IP |
| 14:00.13 | speeves | yikes, in apache2.2, it is in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/dir.conf |
| 14:00.14 | Michael_K | enouf: hhmm ok am a keep tryin. |
| 14:00.19 | xand | erm, port 23 |
| 14:00.22 | stew | CyberMadz: set DirectoryIndex in a particular directory for just one directory, in a VirtualHost for just one host or in mods-available/dir.conf for site-wide |
| 14:00.29 | CyberMadz | stew thanks for the clue :) |
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| 14:00.40 | karmatronic | stew: it s perfectly sane to use apache2.conf for general config ! |
| 14:01.53 | stew | karmatronic: ok. but its not optimal becuase then dpkg can't upgrade that config fine. and it is not where the setting he was looking for was, which was /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 14:01.59 | stew | ^fine^file |
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| 14:02.58 | speeves | karmatronic: DocumentIndex appears to have moved with the apache2.0 -> apache2.2 upgrade |
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| 14:03.06 | speeves | caught me by surprise too :P |
| 14:03.23 | speeves | (though I am running unstable, and not Etch) |
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| 14:04.06 | karmatronic | stew,speeves i use apache1.3 cos apache2 was somehow buggy with squirrelmail |
| 14:04.17 | stew | karmatronic: did you check the bts |
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| 14:05.00 | stew | karmatronic: if there are problems running squirrellmail they would be documented in the bts. Lots of people run squirrelmail and apache 1.3 will be removed soonish |
| 14:05.34 | sep | are there any way i can get e1000 to recognice my Intel Corporation 82571EB Gigabit Ethernet Controller in 2.6.18-4 ? it is recogniced in 2.6.21 from backports. but then vmware turnes to jelly so i'd prefer to run 2.6.18 |
| 14:05.34 | karmatronic | stew: plus there s no ssl version of apache2 |
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| 14:06.11 | stew | karmatronic: no, there is no non-ssl version of apache2, it comes as a module that can be enabled or disabled with "a2enmod ssl" or "a2dismod ssl" |
| 14:06.29 | sep | karmatronic, it's included in apache2. and squirrel works fine on apache2 here |
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| 14:07.16 | karmatronic | stew,sep ok both good news then. i ill give it a try then |
| 14:07.32 | karmatronic | stew: cos i like the a2enmod tool |
| 14:08.02 | Quintin | squirrelmail is so 20th century |
| 14:08.05 | Quintin | use roundcube |
| 14:08.15 | makk1ntosh[work] | guys. can any one tell me what should i do if ssh port on server is not 22 and i need to use svn+ssh somehow ? how to tell port number to svn? |
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| 14:08.42 | petemc | makk1ntosh[work]: you can specify host <-> port mappings in ~/.ssh/config |
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| 14:09.03 | karmatronic | Quintin: roundcube has good plugins? |
| 14:09.18 | Quintin | karmatronic: /join #roundcube |
| 14:09.19 | wfq | but to install roundcube he needs apache, mysql and apache |
| 14:09.31 | Quintin | apache2, nub |
| 14:09.42 | karmatronic | wfq: i have all that :) |
| 14:10.02 | wfq | karmatronic, then it is really wonderful |
| 14:10.05 | moshii | does it have to be apache,.. there are "different" servers out there :P |
| 14:10.09 | karmatronic | wfq: and i hope you also need a mail server and imap |
| 14:10.09 | stew | Quintin: what is nub? |
| 14:10.22 | karmatronic | stew: nub=newbie? |
| 14:10.31 | stew | karmatronic: i don't know, that is what I'm asking |
| 14:10.41 | dromer | stew: ey, yesterday you where saying something about reconfiging the initrd of my chrooted-disk? :# |
| 14:10.41 | Quintin | I guess so. I heard it playing a FPS game once |
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| 14:10.51 | irule | how can I manually install apt deb binaries after I mistakenly uninstalled them and ignored the warnings? |
| 14:10.51 | dromer | stew: I got another hour to kill so: bring it on :D |
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| 14:11.01 | stew | Quintin: you've been silenced for 10 mintues, i will not tollerate name calling in here |
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| 14:11.47 | wfq | karmatronic, roundcube is a imap client not a server |
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| 14:12.29 | karmatronic | wfq: like squirrelmail , of course |
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| 14:13.17 | bullium | has anyone had any luck getting ASP support to work on debina |
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| 14:13.29 | abrotman | bullium: there's a nasty perl hack to make them work |
| 14:13.35 | speeves | bullium: you mean mod_mono? |
| 14:13.42 | moshii | why does why need to use a server as big as apache for "mail" clients :/ |
| 14:13.52 | bullium | abrotman, I read that, but haven't really found a good tut. to walk me through it |
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| 14:14.09 | speeves | mod_mono gives you .NET support |
| 14:14.09 | abrotman | !info libapache-asp-perl etch |
| 14:14.11 | dpkg | libapache-asp-perl: (perl Apache::ASP - Active Server Pages for Apache with mod_perl), section perl, is optional. Version: 2.59-2 (etch), Packaged size: 588 kB, Installed size: 1880 kB |
| 14:14.18 | abrotman | that's for ASP 2/3 IIRC |
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| 14:14.48 | bullium | abrotman, I installed that package, does it enable itself after install? |
| 14:15.13 | abrotman | bullium: no idea .. i'd rather not try to do such a thing if i can avoid it :) |
| 14:15.31 | speeves | bullium: asp-perl supports perl asp, not microsoft asp AFAIK |
| 14:15.31 | abrotman | bullium: there should be documentation for it in /usr/share/doc/libapache-asp-perl/ |
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| 14:15.41 | abrotman | speeves: read the description |
| 14:15.42 | bullium | abrotman, same here but I don't really have much of a choice...they need a test server for ASP and I don't want to open any ports on our Windows boxes |
| 14:15.55 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:16.06 | abrotman | bullium: get a workstation and stick it outside? |
| 14:16.07 | makk1ntosh[work] | petemc: can u tell me where can i find anything about port mapping for ssh? |
| 14:16.20 | makk1ntosh[work] | petemc: i found only about tunneling:( |
| 14:16.22 | abrotman | speeves: apt-cache show libapache-asp-perl |
| 14:16.25 | speeves | bullium: apt-cache search mono | grep mod |
| 14:16.27 | cope[dev] | port mapping? do you tunneling? |
| 14:16.35 | abrotman | bullium: is this ASP.NET or ASP3 ? |
| 14:16.40 | cope[dev] | or do you want to load ssh on a different port? |
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| 14:16.57 | abrotman | or even .. ick .. ASP2 |
| 14:16.59 | makk1ntosh[work] | cope[dev]: no. i need to work with svn+ssh but i have ssh on custom port at server |
| 14:17.21 | karmatronic | makk1ntosh[work]: create an entry in .ssh/config |
| 14:17.22 | speeves | abrotman: yes, I still believe so |
| 14:17.25 | cope[dev] | and svn won't switch to another port to utilise your custom port? |
| 14:17.29 | abrotman | speeves: believe what so? |
| 14:17.32 | Maerz | does a fresh installed debian system support xfs (filesystem) ? |
| 14:17.37 | abrotman | speeves: it says in there it's IIS Active Server Pages |
| 14:17.46 | abrotman | Maerz: there's an xfs-tools package or something ilke that |
| 14:17.56 | makk1ntosh[work] | karmatronic: which entry ? :-) |
| 14:18.09 | moshii | Maerz: etch can install to xfs... only draw back is that you can't use grub easily |
| 14:18.22 | cope[dev] | or you can port forward. create a tunnel from 22 to your custom port |
| 14:18.24 | makk1ntosh[work] | cope[dev]: read all the manual of svn. no info about it |
| 14:19.04 | Maerz | its because i wanna install the whole system on xfs and if the kernel has no support for it from the beginning this could end up bad. I plan to put the boot part on an extra partition |
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| 14:19.04 | fireba11 | moshii: you only need a seperate /boot with 100 MB or so on another filesystem .. |
| 14:19.04 | cope[dev] | which kind of defeats the purpose of custom ssh port |
| 14:19.04 | speeves | abrotman: no, it says that it provides a perl base port for ASP. I'm sure it is similar, but wouldn't expect to run ASP apps written for IIS to run on apache with it |
| 14:19.04 | cope[dev] | makk1ntosh[work], google what karmatronic suggested |
| 14:19.05 | abrotman | speeves: that's the entire idea |
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| 14:19.09 | cope[dev] | I'm off to bed anyway.. its past midnight here |
| 14:19.14 | bullium | abrotman, I'll read through the docs |
| 14:19.17 | cope[dev] | night fellas |
| 14:19.19 | abrotman | speeves: it's a perl crap thing that allows ASP pages intended for IIS to run on apache |
| 14:19.27 | speeves | abrotman: mod_mono supports the main subset of .NET |
| 14:19.30 | tarek | hello, is there a equivalent package to daemontools in debian ? |
| 14:19.38 | petemc | makk1ntosh[work]: Host foo.domain \n Port 5555 |
| 14:19.50 | speeves | abrotman: you can try it |
| 14:20.02 | speeves | abrotman: i haven't looked at it since about 2001 |
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| 14:20.11 | cope[dev] | tabris|away, mount -t iso9660 file.iso -o loop |
| 14:20.20 | makk1ntosh[work] | petemc: ty . trying right now |
| 14:20.28 | cope[dev] | will mount the iso image... its inbuilt to linux.. |
| 14:20.41 | karmatronic | makk1ntosh[work]: man ssh_config |
| 14:20.44 | Nichev1 | :) |
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| 14:21.17 | cope[dev] | tarek, mount -t iso9660 file.iso -o loop |
| 14:21.18 | tarek | hello, is there a equivalent package to daemontools in debian ? (eg : http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html ) |
| 14:21.38 | jazbo2185 | is it possible to overlay two pdf's (or dvi's)? I've got some letterhead I'd like to put letters on and I don't want to bother trying to smash the letterhead and the letter into the same tex file |
| 14:21.39 | tarek | i am talking about a tool to daemonize a process :) |
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| 14:21.51 | cope[dev] | or if you want a gui tarek acetoneISO |
| 14:22.00 | cope[dev] | wtf is demonize a process? |
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| 14:22.03 | karmatronic | tarek: daemon=daily monitor |
| 14:22.11 | qmr | stew: You sir, are an asshat! |
| 14:22.19 | karmatronic | tarek: daemon!=devil |
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| 14:23.31 | tarek | karmatronic, yes, sure. daemonize means make a process run in the background and watch it . that's what http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html does. but i have to compile it, so i am looking for a package in debian that does it |
| 14:23.32 | liable | apt is still broken eh? |
| 14:23.37 | abrotman | speeves: i know what mod_mono does .. what if his pages are ASP3 ? |
| 14:23.49 | qmr | liable: apt broken? |
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| 14:25.07 | speeves | abrotman: good question :) |
| 14:25.14 | abrotman | speeves: and one he didn't answer |
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| 14:25.49 | speeves | abrotman: I would be surprised if there is a straight-across for ASP pre.NET... |
| 14:25.58 | speeves | i never found one |
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| 14:26.10 | abrotman | speeves: i used the package above a long time ago .. it wasn't too bad .. i'd assume it has gotten better |
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| 14:26.56 | tulioxx2 | hi |
| 14:27.41 | abrotman | speeves: i also tried asp2php .. what a mess that made |
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| 14:27.52 | speeves | abrotman: that's cool. It wasn't a viable option when I looked at it, but it was for prod back in 2001-2002 :P |
| 14:28.09 | speeves | abrotman: thats good to know (on the asp2php) |
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| 14:28.26 | tulioxx2 | why everyone prefers ext3 over reiserfs? ive seen many benchmarks, the all show reiserfs is a lot faster... |
| 14:28.28 | speeves | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:28.41 | abrotman | tulioxx2: it doesn't implode |
| 14:28.43 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 14:28.43 | dpkg | somebody said filesystem comparison was http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 14:28.46 | qmr | tulioxx2: I prefer XFS. it pwns reiser, for quite a lot of things |
| 14:28.52 | qmr | tulioxx2: reiser is king for small files though |
| 14:28.58 | chops | !reiser |
| 14:28.58 | dpkg | methinks reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. like the Dharma Initiative: government-sponsered, highly scientific and secretive. |
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| 14:29.01 | tulioxx2 | yeah i prefer xfs too... but i want to know |
| 14:29.14 | qmr | !xfs |
| 14:29.14 | dpkg | xfs is, like, the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or http://www.lwfug.org/debian/ for xfs deb tools and deb kernels, or far better and more mature than reiserfs, but not as mature (in linux) as ext3. It notoriously loses data if you have unexpected power failures. |
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| 14:30.21 | tulioxx2 | !ext4 |
| 14:30.21 | dpkg | from memory, ext4 is a filesystem that is backward compatible with ext3, but also adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and added extent support. |
| 14:30.36 | tulioxx2 | !ext3 <3 flood |
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| 14:30.58 | qmr | tulioxx2: well, ext3 'just works', and is pretty reliable. |
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| 14:31.08 | Enverex | and isn't in Debian |
| 14:31.15 | Enverex | They kinda left that bit out |
| 14:31.15 | qmr | tulioxx2: I know at least one distro (SuSE) used to or currently uses reiser3 as default |
| 14:31.37 | liable | whats not in debian? |
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| 14:31.48 | Enverex | liable, ext4 |
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| 14:31.58 | liable | Enverex: can be if you compile the kernel |
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| 14:32.15 | Gryfelhase | I've a question: I've used an fiberline Fiberline WL 430 U wlanstick on sarge. |
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| 14:32.33 | Gryfelhase | I compiled the source that's delivered with the stick |
| 14:32.39 | Enverex | liable, That's messy though unless there is some debian specific way to do it |
| 14:32.55 | Gryfelhase | that worked so far. But now on etch, I can'?t get it to work |
| 14:33.15 | liable | Enverex: there is |
| 14:33.35 | Gryfelhase | the zd1211-module that's a part of etch, wants a firmwarefile |
| 14:33.43 | Gryfelhase | and I can't find tghe right one |
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| 14:35.50 | naitram | new install of debian, all one partition. install xen. Now do i need another partition to install windows or will xen handle that? |
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| 14:36.55 | petemc | naitram: xen can install to a file |
| 14:37.07 | petemc | can install a domU to... |
| 14:37.13 | petemc | i myself use lvm |
| 14:37.45 | naitram | petemc: so i dont need to create a partition at all? will look at lvm |
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| 14:38.10 | petemc | naitram: well, you'll need a partition or disk for lvm... |
| 14:38.23 | Enverex | Is LVM dynamic partition size scaling? |
| 14:38.38 | petemc | pretty much |
| 14:38.40 | petemc | it can do more |
| 14:38.41 | Maerz | which encryption method is better? LVM encrypted or using TrueCrypt ? |
| 14:38.49 | petemc | on aix, its got all sorts of cleverness |
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| 14:39.43 | dromer | stew: you there? |
| 14:39.55 | naitram | petemc: well, trying to create partition with gparted and it doesn't seem to want to let me do anything with the partition cause its mounted. So I guess I need a boot iso with gparted on it? like ubuntu? |
| 14:40.05 | liable | yes |
| 14:40.28 | jelly-home | naitram: gparted has a livecd with newest version available for download from their site |
| 14:40.29 | stew | dromer: do you know what ide module your computer needs? |
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| 14:40.49 | dromer | stew: hmm, no, it's for the laptop .. ancient device :P |
| 14:40.54 | Enverex | petemc, So it removes the "I want a seperate partition for / and /home but can't decide on sizes" issue? |
| 14:41.00 | dromer | stew: I got a spec-sheet if you want .. |
| 14:41.03 | petemc | Enverex: sure does |
| 14:41.06 | naitram | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 14:41.16 | dromer | stew: http://kb.isammedia.com/kb/2007/14/02/1196-T4900CT-Spec-Sheet |
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| 14:41.48 | Igr| | when i'm trying to install fifa manager 07 with wine i get a window with title called "Electronic Arts Inc." and it's all white, what do I need to see what it says? |
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| 14:42.13 | Enverex | petemc, Is it easy to set up and does it often go wrong? |
| 14:42.32 | petemc | Enverex: aye, pretty easy - ive had no bother with it |
| 14:42.48 | naitram | petemc: why do you prefer lvm vs xen. Which is easiest to get up and running / more reliable. I am pretty much just trying to get me a cross platform development machine up and running so I don't have to keep switching back and forth between machines |
| 14:43.13 | petemc | naitram: nono, i use lvm partitions to host my xen guests |
| 14:43.19 | Enverex | lol |
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| 14:43.35 | Enverex | That's like saying which do you prefer to get to work on, a Car or Epson Printer :P |
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| 14:43.51 | karmatronic | Enverex: Epson |
| 14:44.02 | stew | dromer: well, chances are that it is one of piix,amd74xx,via82cxxx ; you could list all three of those, and throw in ide_generic for good measure. put them into /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$foo' (where $foo is something like 2.6.18-4-486, whichever is installed) |
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| 14:44.08 | Enverex | It was a rhetorical example question |
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| 14:44.41 | tulioasdf | ok back on file systems |
| 14:44.42 | rhododendron | do i still have to compile a kernel if i use linux-patch-bootsplash? |
| 14:44.46 | dromer | stew: there is no /etc/initramfs-tools btw |
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| 14:45.11 | stew | dromer: is initramfs-tools installed? is yaird installed? |
| 14:45.22 | Enverex | liable, What is the Debian method then btw? |
| 14:45.35 | tulioasdf | what would you experts recommend for home user, instaling some progs... openoffice, small games, compiling... |
| 14:45.42 | liable | Enverex: make-kpkg |
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| 14:46.02 | dromer | stew: I think hardly anything is installed, I installed it with debootstrap |
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| 14:46.41 | naitram | So, the original answer should have been although xen can install to a file on your existing partition, I think you should create an LVM partition for your guests. Thanks |
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| 14:46.54 | dromer | stew: btw, I only have one entry in my sources list, I don't know if I can get any other (for woody) |
| 14:47.10 | Enverex | I've never used Xen, how exactly does it work? It looks incredibly complicated when compared to something like VMWare |
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| 14:47.38 | stew | dromer: oh wait, this is woody:? |
| 14:47.43 | mkl1525 | Hi, trying to install etch aon a hp proliant dl320 G5 with sata software raid 1. raid 1 is configured with 2 hdd but the debian installer shows both single disks. any hints why the installer doesn't use the array but shows each single disk? |
| 14:47.49 | stew | dromer: what kernel version is installed? |
| 14:47.51 | naitram | Does VMWare run on linux? |
| 14:47.53 | dromer | stew: yeah, don't remember? ;) is for old laptop |
| 14:48.00 | karmatronic | naitram: yes |
| 14:48.08 | stew | dromer: woody is no longer supported, wny not use sarge or etch? |
| 14:48.18 | redduck666 | Enverex: well, it is not really difficult to get the base install up |
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| 14:48.26 | dromer | sep: I tried to install a different kernel: 2.4.18-386 atm afaik |
| 14:48.35 | tulioasdf | what would you experts recommend for home user, instaling some progs... openoffice, small games, compiling... |
| 14:48.38 | redduck666 | configuration, while not being shiny works. |
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| 14:49.04 | dromer | sep=stew sorry :P |
| 14:49.06 | Enverex | naitram, Yeah, and VirtualBox and QEmu |
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| 14:49.18 | stew | dromer: then it would be /etc/mkinitrd or some such instead or /etc/initramfs |
| 14:49.22 | Enverex | redduck666, So can you install things like XP in it? |
| 14:49.28 | cast | tulioasdf: i dunno, install etch? |
| 14:49.35 | redduck666 | Enverex: AFAIK without hardware VT no. |
| 14:49.41 | dromer | stew: I thought those might not work with this amount of ram (an other stuff) plus I know someone has gotten woody to work on this kind of laptop |
| 14:49.45 | stew | dromer: why not use one of the supported debian releases like sarge or etch? |
| 14:49.46 | redduck666 | even openbsd port to it is foo :/ |
| 14:49.51 | stew | dromer: how much ram? |
| 14:49.59 | dromer | stew: 16mb |
| 14:49.59 | Enverex | redduck666, But with something like a Core2Duo you could? |
| 14:50.13 | redduck666 | Enverex: yes. |
| 14:50.28 | redduck666 | never done anything but linux tho. |
| 14:50.29 | stew | dromer: well generally its the installer that needs that much, after the install you should be able to get away with that much, especially with a little swap |
| 14:50.29 | Enverex | 3D graphics support still doesn't work though does it... |
| 14:50.34 | naitram | Enverex: which of these choices are free? Isn't vmware only commercial? |
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| 14:50.49 | Enverex | naitram, The player and server are free, workstation is commercial |
| 14:50.50 | qmr | tulioasdf: I would recommend ubuntu for home user |
| 14:50.51 | dromer | stew: hmm ok, I could try another debootstrap :P not that much work |
| 14:50.56 | redduck666 | naitram: quemu is nice if you just wanna play around |
| 14:50.57 | tulioasdf | what filesystem (lol) should I use, i am a home user, instaling some progs... openoffice, small games, compiling... |
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| 14:51.09 | stoned | how well does the amd64 port run on Core 2 Duos? |
| 14:51.09 | Enverex | tulioasdf, ext3 |
| 14:51.10 | jetscreamer | ext3 |
| 14:51.14 | Gryfelhase | Are you talking about how much diskpace? |
| 14:51.17 | Enverex | stoned, Same as on amd64s |
| 14:51.19 | stoned | hey jetscreamer |
| 14:51.23 | Enverex | stoned, IT should be named x86_64 |
| 14:51.26 | jetscreamer | hey stoned |
| 14:51.33 | tulioasdf | ok ext3, and WHY ext3? a good review would be good |
| 14:51.35 | Gryfelhase | tulioasdf: I' recoment ext3 |
| 14:51.44 | qmr | tulioasdf: I use XFS. supa fast. not good when the lights go out though |
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| 14:51.54 | stoned | Enverex: I think it is really just AMD64 but core 2 is compatible becuase it has EM64T |
| 14:51.56 | Enverex | tulioasdf, Because ext3 is the most tried and tested and to be honest you probably wont notice the different with any others |
| 14:52.05 | jetscreamer | tulioasdf: well you said new user. i'd recommend jfs if you want reasons.... :) |
| 14:52.17 | stoned | Enverex: what about flash and other desktop applications under 64bit? |
| 14:52.21 | Enverex | stoned, That was just the friendly name used. Any x86_64 processor will work on stuff labled "AMD64" |
| 14:52.26 | dromer | stew: I have tried the Sarge install cd before, but then got all kinds of trouble on boot, I think it was about the low memory |
| 14:52.27 | jetscreamer | tulioasdf: but what Enverex said |
| 14:52.36 | Enverex | stoned, Flash doesn't work without nspluginwrapper. I've not hit any other issues though,. |
| 14:52.47 | stew | dromer: yes, the sarge installer requires 24mb, etch: 32mb |
| 14:52.48 | stoned | nspluginwrapper? |
| 14:52.50 | naitram | redduck666: I building some open source projects and integrating with some windows projects and right now I have two machines set up. 1 for linux 1 for windows. right now, that is all I want to do. Switch back and forth between the two development machines |
| 14:52.59 | ahlfors | Has anyone successfully installed debian on a dell latitude d630? If someone has had a positive experience I would feel better about buying it. |
| 14:53.02 | qmr | jetscreamer: I want reasons for jfs. do you use it? I've read some good stuff |
| 14:53.19 | stew | dromer: but that is mostly becuase the pacakge dependency trees are too large to fit in less memory, and the installers are going on the assumption that they cannot use swap |
| 14:53.30 | Enverex | Is Linux through Xen on a processor with hardware virtualization support slower than Linux natively? |
| 14:53.30 | jetscreamer | qmr: yes i do. i googled did research and made a choice. |
| 14:53.45 | qmr | jetscreamer: what kind of machines do you use it on? |
| 14:53.49 | stoned | Enverex: thats cool |
| 14:53.57 | petemc | Enverex: for some cases, it can be faster than native |
| 14:54.00 | tulioasdf | !fs |
| 14:54.07 | Enverex | petemc, How's that work? |
| 14:54.07 | petemc | Enverex: oh, sorry, i mean paravirtualization |
| 14:54.14 | stoned | !tell tulioasdf about dpkgboty |
| 14:54.16 | stoned | !tell tulioasdf about dpkgbot |
| 14:54.18 | jetscreamer | qmr: home boxes. only reason i wanted to get away from ext3 was the one gig of inodes it wanted |
| 14:54.18 | petemc | i dont use hw virt |
| 14:54.26 | Enverex | !xen |
| 14:54.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:54.34 | stoned | petemc: hey man |
| 14:54.38 | petemc | yo |
| 14:54.40 | dromer | stew: installer? I installed it using my desktop, then transfered the hd to the laptop for boot |
| 14:54.41 | stoned | whas goin on |
| 14:54.46 | petemc | diddly |
| 14:54.47 | qmr | jetscreamer: hm. I use XFS for everything. do you have any good links? |
| 14:54.49 | stoned | hehe |
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| 14:54.54 | dromer | stew: the saptop hans no floppy/cdrom/usb/whatever :P |
| 14:54.55 | petemc | stoned: you still at dell? |
| 14:54.58 | dromer | laptop* |
| 14:55.02 | stew | dromer: yes, i understand |
| 14:55.03 | stoned | petemc: nah man, that was last year |
| 14:55.07 | petemc | oh right |
| 14:55.11 | petemc | im out of the loop |
| 14:55.12 | stoned | petemc: I moved to nyc now and I'm trying to get with IBM |
| 14:55.18 | petemc | ah, good shit |
| 14:55.21 | stoned | yup |
| 14:55.42 | jetscreamer | qmr: not anymore, it was a year ago or more... but grub has a problem with /boot being on xfs, plus i don't have a ups... |
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| 14:55.58 | jetscreamer | xfs sounds cool though |
| 14:56.00 | quitte_ | dromer: but it can boot from lan? |
| 14:56.21 | qmr | jetscreamer: yes, I have a 50mb ext2 /boot |
| 14:56.33 | qmr | jetscreamer: well fuck yea. It's got an 'x' for crying out loud! like xhtml :) |
| 14:56.33 | dromer | quitte_: how could I do that? |
| 14:56.45 | stoned | what? |
| 14:56.45 | qrck | whaaat ? |
| 14:56.46 | qrck | xen ? |
| 14:56.54 | jetscreamer | qmr: all i can really say is it hasn't messed up (jfs) in over a year |
| 14:56.54 | qrck | what does it run ? |
| 14:57.04 | quitte_ | dromer: if your laptop supports it you need to setup dhcp and tftp. it's in the installation manual |
| 14:57.10 | qmr | jetscreamer: do you actually notice any speed difference? |
| 14:57.14 | qrck | is there a website to xen ? |
| 14:57.30 | redduck666 | qrck: chat.kiberpipa.org |
| 14:57.33 | petemc | qrck: it'll be the first hit on google |
| 14:57.44 | qrck | oh ok thank you |
| 14:57.45 | jetscreamer | qmr: 'maybe' but not so i'd notice.. the new libata scheme in the kernel, now that i notice |
| 14:57.48 | redduck666 | hmmm, misunderstood the question, sorry. |
| 14:57.50 | dromer | quitte_: but, first I need to get something working on the disk already, and that's where I am now, trying to install and boot a base-system with pcmcia and dhcp-support |
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| 14:58.24 | quitte_ | dromer: no you don't. thats network booting all about. what kind of laptop is it? |
| 14:58.36 | dromer | toshiba T4900CT |
| 14:58.53 | quitte_ | dromer: the dhcp and tftp have to b set up on theserver you boot from |
| 14:58.59 | jetscreamer | i had a toshiba p-366.. it had more memory though |
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| 14:59.18 | jetscreamer | ~wb Bhaal |
| 14:59.24 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 14:59.27 | jetscreamer | !wb Bhaal |
| 14:59.27 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Bhaal has returned! |
| 14:59.42 | dromer | quitte_: ok, but how do I get the laptop to boot from it then? sounds very interesting though :) (debootstrap also still has my interest though) |
| 15:00.05 | Enverex | Oh, here's a random question. Was the guy that played Monteron in Baldur's Gate the same guy that played Le'Chuck in Monkey Island 3? |
| 15:00.07 | quitte_ | dromer: omg. 1994? continue what you are doing |
| 15:00.17 | jakub_ | please |
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| 15:00.19 | jakub_ | i have KDE |
| 15:00.20 | quitte_ | dromer: the bios has to support it. |
| 15:00.21 | jetscreamer | the laptop's bios has to support pxe boot |
| 15:00.22 | jakub_ | and control center |
| 15:00.25 | igoR | Hello, when I'm trying to install Fifa Manager 07 with WINE, I can't continue after that a window popup which is full white with the title "Electronic Arts. Inc", what do I need to see what this Electronic Arts Inc. windows says? |
| 15:00.31 | dromer | quitte_: I doubt the bios supports it :P |
| 15:00.32 | jakub_ | i want to have keyboard switcher |
| 15:00.37 | jakub_ | but there are no maps |
| 15:00.39 | jakub_ | which i can choose |
| 15:00.40 | jakub_ | why ? |
| 15:00.57 | dromer | quitte_: haha, yeah, like I have said a million times here: _ancient_ hardware :P |
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| 15:01.01 | qmr | igoR: /join #winehq |
| 15:01.09 | jetscreamer | igoR: so is that ubuntu or debian |
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| 15:01.29 | quitte_ | dromer: wow! it has isa sockets? |
| 15:01.43 | igoR | jetscreamer, I'm using debian but my friend using ubuntu has same problem. |
| 15:02.02 | dromer | quitte_: I have no idea what it has, I just want the pcmcia-network-card to work so I can install the stuff I want :P |
| 15:02.03 | jetscreamer | #winehq like he said |
| 15:02.10 | stoned | have you tried Cedega? |
| 15:02.14 | dromer | stew: so, Sarge or Etch? |
| 15:02.37 | igoR | stoned, is Cedega free? |
| 15:02.42 | quitte_ | dromer: make sure the pcmcia card is no pccard instead. |
| 15:02.43 | stoned | igoR: try #cedega. I think you can try out the software before you buy, you just won't get support |
| 15:02.50 | stoned | igoR: no |
| 15:02.56 | jetscreamer | i went to put my toshiba p2-366 back together... the hd and the ram are missing :( |
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| 15:03.00 | stoned | igoR: it is not free |
| 15:03.05 | quitte_ | dromer: pccards have a golden plate were you plug them in. |
| 15:03.11 | stoned | igoR: but you didn't hear me say anything about torrents ok? |
| 15:03.25 | igoR | ok |
| 15:03.27 | dromer | quitte_: I have gotten it to work before, using delilinux, but that distro kind of sucked, it's dhcp was awefull :/ (could hardly get on the network, terrible :/) |
| 15:03.44 | jetscreamer | i heard wine nowadays does better than cedega but no idea |
| 15:03.51 | dromer | quitte_: it's a pretty standard Xircom |
| 15:03.53 | quitte_ | dromer: ok. i missed what you said earlier. so how far are you? |
| 15:04.01 | stoned | jetscreamer: I got morrowing to work under cedega, but it won't go past the cd check |
| 15:04.09 | stoned | jetscreamer: couldn't even get oblivion started |
| 15:04.09 | jetscreamer | i probably have the same xircom pcmcia |
| 15:04.18 | dromer | quitte_: atm I'm back at square one, about to debootstrap Sarge or Etch, thinking about Etch though |
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| 15:04.27 | Enverex | Morrowind works under Wine other than slightly dodgy water and no shadows |
| 15:04.32 | stoned | jetscreamer: diablo2 has the same problem doing a cd check, protection shit. Other than that, diablo2 runs great |
| 15:04.37 | Enverex | Oblivion also works but has issues |
| 15:04.49 | Enverex | stoned, Diablo 2 works in Wine, copy protection and all |
| 15:04.49 | quitte | dromer: as you won't use kde or gnome etch shoul be fine |
| 15:04.54 | jetscreamer | stoned: sounds like a job for superwindows |
| 15:05.05 | quitte | dromer: dont forget the pcmcia utils |
| 15:05.05 | stoned | Enverex: well I was trying to use isos |
| 15:05.05 | dromer | quitte: hahah, no I was thinking about a light wm ;) |
| 15:05.11 | stoned | Enverex: ;D |
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| 15:05.17 | jetscreamer | icewm is light |
| 15:05.24 | stoned | pekwm is light |
| 15:05.29 | stoned | !xwinman |
| 15:05.29 | dpkg | i heard xwinman is <URL:http://www.PLiG.org/xwinman/> |
| 15:05.34 | jetscreamer | what is very suprising to me is gnome is acting light, atm in sid |
| 15:05.38 | stoned | go check em all out |
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| 15:05.44 | jetscreamer | twm ftw! |
| 15:05.50 | stoned | ratpoison! |
| 15:05.52 | Enverex | Can I get module-assistant to build modules for a kernel other than the running one? |
| 15:06.02 | dromer | stoned: I was thinking blackbox or something, nothing too fancy |
| 15:06.04 | jetscreamer | i 'think' so but not sure |
| 15:06.16 | quitte | Enverex: yes. --help or ma explains how |
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| 15:06.20 | stoned | dromer: fluxbox I like because of the tabs and slits |
| 15:06.20 | quitte | man |
| 15:06.34 | OsCuRO_IRC | holas gente |
| 15:06.36 | qmr | dromer: wmaker ftw |
| 15:06.37 | dromer | stoned: I have blackbox on another machine now, fine for what I need it for :) |
| 15:06.44 | OsCuRO_IRC | alguien hispanoparlante aca??? |
| 15:06.49 | OsCuRO_IRC | porfavoooor |
| 15:06.50 | dromer | qmr: haha, link? :) |
| 15:06.51 | stoned | dromer: yeh, I like the window tabbing thing |
| 15:06.55 | qmr | I cannot adequately describe how much wmaker owns your face |
| 15:07.04 | qmr | dromer: hm? install package wmaker. it's a whole 8megs |
| 15:07.11 | stoned | dromer: berylwm took it higher, and you could group/tab different applications |
| 15:07.23 | stoned | dromer: fluxbox only tabs/groups the windows of a same app |
| 15:07.33 | dromer | qmr: I'll try it for my laptop, first have to fget base-installed :P |
| 15:07.55 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 15:07.55 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:08.04 | OsCuRO_IRC | [stoned] hey .. hello ... can you give to me a debian spanish channel? |
| 15:08.09 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 15:08.16 | jetscreamer | OsCuRO_IRC: ^^ |
| 15:08.33 | stoned | !tell OsCuRO_IRC -about es |
| 15:08.35 | OsCuRO_IRC | [jetscreamer] ^^ |
| 15:08.39 | jetscreamer | venga ayar |
| 15:08.41 | dromer | stoned: ok, sounds nice, for small screen to get order :) |
| 15:08.46 | jetscreamer | /join #debian-es |
| 15:08.48 | Enverex | quitte, Not finding it |
| 15:08.57 | stoned | dromer: heh, I've got 3200x1200 |
| 15:09.07 | stoned | dromer: on dual 19" flats |
| 15:09.08 | OsCuRO_IRC | [stoned] thank's men.. |
| 15:09.08 | karmatronic | OsCuRO_IRC: prueba con #debian-es |
| 15:09.20 | quitte | Enverex: -l, --kvers-list List of kernel versions to work on (default: current version) |
| 15:09.21 | OsCuRO_IRC | [karmatronic] oka gracias |
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| 15:09.28 | jetscreamer | karmatronic: como se dice en ingles prueba |
| 15:09.35 | karmatronic | jetscreamer: try |
| 15:09.39 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 15:09.42 | stoned | me es fumando mucho motta |
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| 15:09.46 | Enverex | quitte, It still starts anyway when I specify that line :/ |
| 15:09.47 | stoned | ahem |
| 15:09.49 | jetscreamer | nita |
| 15:09.53 | jetscreamer | err mota |
| 15:09.56 | stoned | jetscreamer: you know what I said :) |
| 15:10.04 | jetscreamer | i guessed :) |
| 15:10.06 | dromer | stoned: the laptop has .. 14" or something, damn small anyway :P |
| 15:10.06 | qmr | How do I make alias in exim so that mail sent to user1@host really goes to user2@localhost , and when replied to, appears to be from user1@host ? |
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| 15:10.16 | qmr | dromer: that's standard for laptops |
| 15:10.18 | jetscreamer | dromer: it's probably a neomagic video chip |
| 15:10.22 | quitte | Enverex: what do you mean by starts? |
| 15:10.23 | stoned | dromer: word man, try fluxbox, you might could use the window tabbing |
| 15:10.25 | jetscreamer | dromer: and that sucks in X |
| 15:10.43 | Enverex | quitte, It just starts the ncurses interface rather than listing the available kernels |
| 15:10.45 | jetscreamer | dromer: win98 worked better than xorg on neomagic for me |
| 15:11.06 | stoned | I like kernels |
| 15:11.10 | stoned | they are very nice |
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| 15:11.13 | quitte | Enverex: you are supposed to tell it which kernel to work on |
| 15:11.21 | dromer | jetscreamer: last OS running on it was win95 :P but I want linux on it \o/ |
| 15:11.32 | jetscreamer | dromer: you can make it look ok |
| 15:11.40 | jetscreamer | and cli is snappy |
| 15:11.41 | Enverex | quitte, I'm using the "list available kernels" command to SEE which ones are there before I can specify one... |
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| 15:12.19 | jetscreamer | dromer: it might not be a neomagic anyway, just my toshiba was |
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| 15:12.50 | rocketmagnet | hello everyone, does someone know how to find out which functions are available inside a .so file ? |
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| 15:13.52 | Enverex | quitte, It just seems to be ignoring command line options |
| 15:14.03 | quitte | Enverex: la? thats not for listing available kernels |
| 15:14.04 | stoned | captain planet |
| 15:14.24 | Enverex | quitte, What? I didn't say la |
| 15:14.41 | Enverex | quitte, I've tried -l, -k, --kvers-list etc but nothing works |
| 15:15.13 | dromer | ok, now doing $ sudo debootstrap sarge ./sarge-root http://ftp.debian.org/debian |
| 15:15.16 | dromer | lets see what happens :P |
| 15:15.29 | quitte | Enverex: i don'T see any option that lists availble kernels. you'll have to find that out some other way |
| 15:15.40 | jetscreamer | hey wtf man module-assistant and man m-a 'don't work' |
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| 15:15.47 | jetscreamer | what is the manpage |
| 15:16.05 | stoned | its man m-a |
| 15:16.13 | stoned | what do you mean it doesn't work |
| 15:16.17 | stoned | of course it works |
| 15:16.23 | stoned | question is |
| 15:16.24 | jetscreamer | No manual entry for m-a |
| 15:16.28 | stoned | do you have m-a installed? |
| 15:16.36 | quitte | jetscreamer: install module-assistant first? |
| 15:16.37 | jetscreamer | think so |
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| 15:16.46 | jetscreamer | i forget i install too much |
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| 15:16.56 | stoned | its probably not installed |
| 15:17.23 | jetscreamer | i did 4 days ago |
| 15:17.31 | quitte | !enter |
| 15:17.31 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying, and scrolls our windows extraneously. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. We'll be more inclined to help you if you are considerate! |
| 15:17.32 | jetscreamer | course 4 days ago it was a different install |
| 15:17.40 | jetscreamer | !exit |
| 15:17.40 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
| 15:17.41 | Orion_X11 | Why do I get this message when running apt-get update? > "WARNING **: Could not load the spinner file" |
| 15:17.44 | stoned | hey stop tokin the shiz |
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| 15:18.17 | jetscreamer | yeah it's only been 25 years just stop cold turkey |
| 15:18.20 | Orion_X11 | Which spinner file is this? |
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| 15:18.31 | stoned | jetscreamer: well 14 here and I did |
| 15:18.41 | jetscreamer | i've quit |
| 15:18.45 | stoned | oh word |
| 15:18.50 | stoned | you coulda fooled me though |
| 15:18.50 | jetscreamer | couple years |
| 15:18.51 | stoned | :) |
| 15:18.59 | jetscreamer | changed my mind |
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| 15:19.34 | stoned | I think you're old enough, you've paid your dues, some of em, you're entitled to a little herbery |
| 15:19.40 | stoned | a little doobage every now and then |
| 15:19.48 | jetscreamer | what i can't do is drink liquor |
| 15:19.50 | skyde | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:19.57 | jetscreamer | beer yes, booze no |
| 15:19.59 | skyde | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.09 | skyde | what should i install |
| 15:20.11 | jetscreamer | ipconfig ? |
| 15:20.16 | jetscreamer | ifconfig? |
| 15:20.18 | stew | skyde: iproute (/msg dpkg search) |
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| 15:20.55 | stoned | hi stew |
| 15:20.58 | stew | hi |
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| 15:21.30 | stew | dromer: either really. you really might consider something like dsl which is more tailored towards these situations |
| 15:21.37 | jetscreamer | !hi stoned |
| 15:21.47 | dromer | stew: I have tried dsl, and I got kernel-panics :/ |
| 15:21.48 | jetscreamer | !greet stoned |
| 15:21.48 | dpkg | Tag, stoned |
| 15:21.49 | naitram | anyone explain a little more the vmware server vs the player and how the vmware appliances all relate. The appliances play on the player right? and they can be pretty much anything? including operating systems or db servers? Im confused! |
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| 15:22.43 | xand | !vmware |
| 15:22.43 | dpkg | somebody said vmware was Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 15:23.05 | dromer | hmm, how do I know which locales need to be generated for my system? |
| 15:23.30 | quitte | dromer: by knowing which counry you're in and which language you speak |
| 15:23.43 | qmr | dromer: probably en_US, I'm guessing :p |
| 15:23.59 | quitte | dromer: also utf-8 is nice to have |
| 15:24.00 | karmatronic | naitram: vmware servers and clients are almost the same |
| 15:24.01 | dromer | quitte: haha, but, there are like 4 options at my country/language |
| 15:24.05 | naitram | xand: some here suggested vmware to me earlier so.... If they would like to answer. Otherwise ill look elseware |
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| 15:24.15 | jetscreamer | dromer: do them all, for your country |
| 15:24.19 | quitte | dromer: select the one with utf-8 in it |
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| 15:24.30 | dromer | en_US also has two options |
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| 15:24.37 | synic | is there any sort of portable journalled filesystem that would be suitable for a removable hard drive? I want it to work in Windows and Linux |
| 15:24.38 | jetscreamer | there will be 3 later |
| 15:24.47 | jetscreamer | utf-8 i didn't see last install |
| 15:24.50 | dromer | jetscreamer: sorry, meant 3 :) |
| 15:24.55 | jetscreamer | just the -1 and the -15 |
| 15:24.57 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 15:25.02 | \amethyst | naitram: there is a #vmware |
| 15:25.04 | jetscreamer | i was doing sid or etch |
| 15:25.14 | dromer | ok, I'll do all three en_US |
| 15:25.26 | quitte | synic: vfat is probably the best choice for os interoperability |
| 15:25.31 | dromer | jetscreamer: and for default? |
| 15:25.43 | jetscreamer | you might want the primary one to be the en_us but it's up to you.. ncursed looks like shit when it's utf-8 |
| 15:25.45 | synic | quitte: yeah, it's been a week and I've already had problems with filesystem corruption with vfat. |
| 15:25.51 | jetscreamer | ncurses |
| 15:26.08 | jetscreamer | primary/default |
| 15:26.11 | dromer | quitte: there's really good ext2/3 writing for windows these days, so ext3 would be my choice ;) |
| 15:26.14 | naitram | \amethyst: I got the responses from people here in response to question about xen. thanks |
| 15:26.20 | quitte | synic: mount -o sync and/or always unmount before unplugging |
| 15:26.34 | synic | quitte: not always an option. |
| 15:26.56 | synic | dromer: have any suggestions on ext3 software for windows? |
| 15:27.03 | jetscreamer | explore2fs |
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| 15:27.48 | \amethyst | synic: there's also ntfs (using FUSE + ntfs-3g in Linux) |
| 15:27.51 | dromer | synic: this weekend I installed something to mount my ext3-partitions, can't really remember what it was, lemme check .. |
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| 15:28.03 | jetscreamer | ntfs-3g seems to work well |
| 15:28.35 | dromer | synic: I thik it was: Ext2IFS_1_10c |
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| 15:28.56 | gordboy | jetscreamer, yeah it does. i never thought i'd say that about *any* kind of ntfs on linux |
| 15:29.06 | dromer | stew: gah, stuck at installing grub again :P |
| 15:29.23 | synic | hrmm, ntfs-3g. I'll try that. ntfs-3g is supported in winxp then? |
| 15:29.25 | jetscreamer | dromer: do lilo |
| 15:29.39 | jetscreamer | synic: ntfs-3g is a linux thing to write to ntfs |
| 15:29.42 | donaldo | using 4.0 with kernel 2.6.18-4-686, the ndiswrapper module seems to be compiled in, and ndiswrapper -l shows driver and hardware present for my wireless device, but no wlan0 interface exists :( any help? |
| 15:29.51 | dromer | jetscreamer: noooooh lilo teh suxor :P |
| 15:30.02 | jetscreamer | dromer: nothing wrong with lilo |
| 15:30.06 | jetscreamer | and it might just work |
| 15:30.13 | gordboy | synic, i use ext2fsd it works fine. but i don't trust windows, so it's read-only for me |
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| 15:30.26 | Ronin | dromer: its not like grub is working for you, what do you have to loose? |
| 15:30.43 | jetscreamer | dromer: you could always do grub later after it got working |
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| 15:31.04 | stew | dromer: what is the problem you are having installing grub? |
| 15:31.08 | dromer | haha |
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| 15:31.20 | dromer | stew: yesterday I was truggling with that |
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| 15:31.33 | synic | ok, if I try NTFS, I have to format this drive on windows, right? Is NTFS actually any good? does linux support the journaling features? |
| 15:31.50 | jetscreamer | what? |
| 15:31.52 | jetscreamer | nonono |
| 15:31.59 | jetscreamer | don't install linux to ntfs :) |
| 15:32.03 | dromer | jetscreamer: what do I do after the install of lilo? I need to do liloconfig? but it only gives me some output, doesn't configure anything, there's no /etc/lilo.conf either |
| 15:32.06 | synic | I'm not going to. |
| 15:32.08 | Ronin | synic: the nice try filing system? not a good option |
| 15:32.10 | gordboy | dromer, grub is (just about) the easiest thing imaginable. all you need is about a dozen lines of menu.lst and all manner of booting scenarios can be yours |
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| 15:32.35 | dromer | gordboy: it was more complicated that that, I'm chrooted into the disk I want to setup grub on |
| 15:32.51 | jetscreamer | dromer: the installer should install lilo. i know if you apt-get install lilo, you need to run liloconfig and then run lilo |
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| 15:33.04 | jetscreamer | the installer should do all that though unless it borks |
| 15:33.34 | dromer | jetscreamer: fes, but liloconfig doesn't do anything except some nice lines af text and /sbin/lilo gives: /etc/lilo.conf: No such file or directory |
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| 15:34.05 | dromer | jetscreamer: I'm installing the suggested packages .. |
| 15:34.13 | dromer | lilo-doc and mbr |
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| 15:34.35 | gordboy | dromer, chrooted into the disk, makes grub *easier* ffs |
| 15:35.00 | dromer | gordboy: well, if you care to explain :) |
| 15:35.09 | jetscreamer | gordboy: was hard to tell from dromer yesterday if that was true |
| 15:35.12 | dromer | my /boot is awefully empty btw |
| 15:35.36 | jetscreamer | you like need a kernel in /boot at least |
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| 15:35.58 | dromer | jetscreamer: I then better first install a kernel .. guess debootstrap didn't do that .. |
| 15:36.00 | wols_ | jetscreamer: be a man! boot from floppy! |
| 15:36.09 | dromer | wols_: I don't have floppy |
| 15:36.10 | jetscreamer | wols_: i do that all the time |
| 15:36.11 | gordboy | kernel, initrd (if any), & the grub dir |
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| 15:36.33 | jetscreamer | that's one reason i use grub now |
| 15:37.08 | dromer | what kernel shall I use? |
| 15:37.15 | jetscreamer | a -386 |
| 15:37.24 | dromer | ok but 2.4 or 2.6 ? |
| 15:37.25 | jetscreamer | or -486 if etch |
| 15:37.28 | jetscreamer | eh.... |
| 15:37.32 | wols_ | 2.6 |
| 15:37.36 | dromer | it's Sarge |
| 15:37.54 | jetscreamer | i'd go 2.6 but i'm bold... 2.4 always seemed kinda 'something' |
| 15:38.03 | [n01d] | i added "http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all" in my "sources.list" had a successful update but failed to install "php5-pear" |
| 15:38.13 | [n01d] | anyone can help me? |
| 15:38.32 | dromer | jetscreamer: for 2.4 I need the separate pcmcia-MODULES PROBABLY? |
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| 15:38.37 | dromer | jetscreamer: i'M DOING 2.6 NOW THOUGH |
| 15:38.44 | jetscreamer | dromer: no idea.. good call imo |
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| 15:38.52 | dromer | headers and image |
| 15:39.09 | jetscreamer | you will get an overwrite error doing both at the same time |
| 15:39.15 | jetscreamer | tell it to not worry about it |
| 15:39.16 | dromer | oh ok .. |
| 15:40.09 | metbsd | how do i check what monitor freq xorg is using? |
| 15:40.13 | dromer | ok, I'm getting a warning about initrd kernel |
| 15:40.28 | cahoot | metbsd, run xrandr |
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| 15:40.35 | [n01d] | how can I install php5-pear? is there any available sources for debian? |
| 15:41.04 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search php|grep pear ? |
| 15:41.31 | Maerz | whats the meaning of the rc in dpkg -l again? |
| 15:41.32 | dromer | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: neither /dev/fd or /proc/self/fd exists! :/ |
| 15:41.36 | jetscreamer | php-pear - PEAR - PHP Extension and Application Repository |
| 15:41.37 | dromer | ok, gotta go for diner, bbl |
| 15:41.47 | jetscreamer | dromer: fd is floppy |
| 15:41.50 | metbsd | hmm didn't know my monitor can do 1600x1200 |
| 15:41.57 | jetscreamer | it probably can't |
| 15:42.03 | jetscreamer | make sure before you try |
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| 15:42.29 | jetscreamer | !info php-pear |
| 15:42.34 | dpkg | php-pear: (PEAR - PHP Extension and Application Repository), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 347 kB, Installed size: 2592 kB |
| 15:43.05 | jetscreamer | !tell metbsd -about hwinfo |
| 15:43.21 | Maerz | !tell Maerz about rc |
| 15:43.30 | jetscreamer | wrong rc probably |
| 15:43.39 | Maerz | yea i think so too |
| 15:43.50 | Maerz | !tell Maerz about dpkg |
| 15:44.11 | Maerz | jetscreamer i guess you know what it means ? |
| 15:44.35 | metbsd | higher or lower refreshrate is better for eyes? |
| 15:44.41 | jetscreamer | Maerz: no i don't, i just know the bot would probably talk about a diff rc |
| 15:44.51 | Maerz | ok |
| 15:44.52 | jetscreamer | Maerz: i did a dpkg -l and see no rc here |
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| 15:45.04 | jetscreamer | higher, metbsd |
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| 15:45.11 | Maerz | my guess is that it means s.th. does exist in cache but isn'T installed |
| 15:45.15 | metbsd | what does refresh rate mean anyways |
| 15:45.36 | jetscreamer | how many times it's drawn on your screen per second, or so |
| 15:45.45 | grendal_prime | i have a running system and i want to create an install disk based on the packages on that system. is there a way of just writhing that system out to a cd? |
| 15:45.51 | jetscreamer | you see flicker at 60 but not 75, for instance |
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| 15:46.13 | xand | jetscreamer: I disagree |
| 15:46.15 | cahoot | Maerz, removed but not purged I think |
| 15:46.18 | jetscreamer | yes there are packages for that in sources, grendal_prime i don't know the names offhand though |
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| 15:46.26 | jetscreamer | xand: it was a rough analogy |
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| 15:46.27 | xand | I see flicker at 75 on a CRT, but no flicker at 60 on LCD (of course) |
| 15:46.33 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 15:46.42 | jetscreamer | ok put it at 85 :) |
| 15:46.43 | xand | need 85Hz on a CRT for me :| |
| 15:47.02 | jetscreamer | yeah i'm kinda sensitive like that too |
| 15:47.13 | cahoot | Maerz, i e conf files left |
| 15:47.13 | metbsd | i have 75Hz on lcd |
| 15:47.13 | jetscreamer | i hear things too.... |
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| 15:47.16 | metbsd | is that good |
| 15:47.18 | qmr | 75 doesn't bother me much |
| 15:47.21 | qmr | 60 is AWUL though |
| 15:47.22 | Maerz | cahoot thank you |
| 15:47.26 | jetscreamer | sure long as the lcd supports it |
| 15:47.29 | qmr | I think right now I'm using 3200x1600@85hz |
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| 15:47.35 | metbsd | this samsung lcd is awesome! |
| 15:47.39 | metbsd | crystal clear |
| 15:47.50 | fanen | hi |
| 15:47.50 | qmr | my legally blind friend has a 22" samsung lcd. I wants it |
| 15:47.55 | fanen | this is an etch place, but |
| 15:48.03 | naitram | what is the package name for the kernel sources for 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 15:48.04 | jetscreamer | i would be legally blind if the glasses didn't work |
| 15:48.22 | nucco | anyone using sid in here? |
| 15:48.27 | cahoot | whats illegally blind? |
| 15:48.28 | jetscreamer | naitram: linux-source |
| 15:48.33 | qmr | I *hate* glasses... use rgp lenses |
| 15:48.35 | kingsley | Is "tail -f /var/log/dmesg" the same as following the tail of the "dmesg" command? |
| 15:48.43 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search linux-source |
| 15:48.48 | gordboy | i'm gonna be blind drunk in about 2 hours. 13 minutes to go til 5pm. hurray |
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| 15:49.18 | naitram | jetscreamer: ok, thanks |
| 15:49.22 | nucco | whew |
| 15:49.38 | jetscreamer | 3 hours till i have to be at work :( |
| 15:49.55 | jetscreamer | !tell nucco -about ask |
| 15:50.01 | jetscreamer | !anybody |
| 15:50.02 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 15:50.26 | nucco | jetscreamer i can't configure my network devices anymore |
| 15:50.47 | Maerz | nucco a little more detail would probably help |
| 15:51.04 | nucco | jetscreamer last time i did an update was 24th |
| 15:51.18 | jetscreamer | nucco: i commonly have a problem with /etc/network/interfaces, specifically the allow-hotplug line... i comment it out and put auto eth0 .. works for me every time.. not sure if that's applicable |
| 15:51.34 | nucco | i updated dhcdbd |
| 15:51.41 | jetscreamer | ah nm |
| 15:51.49 | jetscreamer | you use that network-manager i think |
| 15:51.54 | nucco | when i open the gnome network config window, none of my devices are listed |
| 15:52.00 | Maerz | !tell marenz about popcon |
| 15:52.05 | nucco | yes, |
| 15:52.10 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 15:52.22 | nucco | only wireless is working with it |
| 15:52.22 | magnus__ | The thing with LCDs is that the pixels always glow, unlike the CRT |
| 15:52.34 | irule | how may I add an app to debians init? I know about redhants chkconfig but this is differente thanks |
| 15:52.35 | nucco | everything used to work fine till i updated |
| 15:52.42 | magnus__ | thats why the CRT "flickers" on low refreshrates; because the phosphor (or whatever it is) goes black for a significant amount of time |
| 15:52.44 | jetscreamer | they have backlight modules in recent kernels now |
| 15:52.48 | nucco | i dont know how to revert to the old versions |
| 15:52.49 | gordboy | magnus__, not if you turn the backlight off |
| 15:52.50 | h3sp4wn | magnus__: And the edid is often wrong :/ |
| 15:53.00 | jetscreamer | apt-get install read-edid |
| 15:53.03 | magnus__ | gordboy: why turn backlight off? :) |
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| 15:53.29 | magnus__ | Anwyays. LCD 60 hz => no flicker if the LCD works and there are no other interferance. CRT with 60hz => flicker. |
| 15:53.36 | jetscreamer | nucco: i'd try to help but i know nothing :/ |
| 15:54.00 | magnus__ | As for LCD @ 75 hz instead of 60 hz, AFAIK it is just better because you now can have up to 75 FPS instead of 60 FPS |
| 15:54.06 | gordboy | magnus__, i see what you meant. the LIT pixels always glow. yes that's true |
| 15:54.56 | metbsd | but this samsung syncmaster 930b is the best lcd i ever used |
| 15:54.56 | metbsd | crystal clear 19inch |
| 15:54.56 | nucco | yea, ok |
| 15:54.57 | Maerz | nucco apt-get install packetname=version |
| 15:55.15 | gordboy | taxan ergovision 975tco95 at 1280x1024@85Hz |
| 15:55.27 | nucco | Maerz thanks, try that |
| 15:55.34 | Maerz | to see the available versions: apt-cache policy paketname |
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| 15:55.54 | donaldo | ok, i think ndiswrapper is not compiled into my kernel (i had assumed the ndiswrapper command would fail without it, i was wrong.) is there an ndiswrapper kernel module in the debian repository? i can't seem to find one, but there certainly used to be one. :( |
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| 15:58.27 | donaldo | quitte: yeah, so i've heard... alright, only source is in stable? *goes off to build ndiswrapper* |
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| 16:05.34 | schmidtsmike1 | hello |
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| 16:05.48 | bahadunn | is it in an RFC somewhere that an IP address has to have a PTR record? |
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| 16:05.56 | daquino | which signal is the equivalant of ^z? |
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| 16:06.46 | schmidtsmike1 | i installed ndiswrapper on my machine. but if i load the ndiswrapper module no wlan0 appears. i "installed" the windows driver, ndiswrapper -l says that hardware is present |
| 16:07.04 | schmidtsmike1 | ndiswrapper -m made a link to wlan0 |
| 16:07.21 | schmidtsmike1 | anybody an idea? |
| 16:07.30 | unlink | in etch, how do i configure the clock to be set to local time and not UTC? |
| 16:07.38 | zinx | daquino: STOP would be the closest |
| 16:07.48 | daquino | what about starting it back up ? |
| 16:07.53 | cahoot | unlink, in /etc/default/rcS |
| 16:07.54 | zinx | daq: CONT of course |
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| 16:08.45 | daquino | so if i stop a process will all children freeze too ? |
| 16:09.17 | cahoot | schmidtsmike1, udev gave it another name? |
| 16:09.28 | zinx | daquino: don't believe so |
| 16:09.45 | schmidtsmike1 | cahoot: no iwconfig gives me lo, eth0, sit0 |
| 16:10.20 | peppe | daquino: you can send a signal to a process or to a process group |
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| 16:11.41 | peppe | if the process and all its children are in the same group, you can stop them all by sending a signal to that group |
| 16:11.46 | cahoot | schmidtsmike1, no wlan0 there AFAICT |
| 16:12.26 | schmidtsmike1 | its bullshit |
| 16:13.35 | cahoot | schmidtsmike1, you're sure you need ndiswraper? |
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| 16:14.30 | unlink | cahoot: thanks. |
| 16:14.31 | schmidtsmike1 | sure? is there another possibilty? |
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| 16:14.51 | cahoot | schmidtsmike1, native linux driver+ |
| 16:14.54 | cahoot | ? |
| 16:15.22 | schmidtsmike1 | cahoot: i dont find any native linux driver for 2.6 kernel! |
| 16:15.26 | schmidtsmike1 | only for 2.4 |
| 16:15.54 | cahoot | schmidtsmike1, it is for some wifi thingy? |
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| 16:16.29 | cahoot | schmidtsmike1, if so what kind of device - chipset? |
| 16:16.44 | schmidtsmike1 | rtl8180L |
| 16:16.44 | qrck | is xen of some use if i run wine ? |
| 16:18.02 | aidehua | What happens to cron-generated-emails if my system reboots? |
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| 16:18.32 | aidehua | Is it the case that, when crond is killed, it terminates all cronjobs and generate cron-mail, before the system halts? |
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| 16:20.58 | thelostbutler | hello folks can some please recommend a tool to check for rootkits |
| 16:21.12 | thelostbutler | kind of like a one time scan |
| 16:23.10 | kunwon1 | thelostbutler, look at chrootkit |
| 16:23.10 | kunwon1 | s/chrootkit/chkrootkit/ |
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| 16:23.53 | cahoot | schmidtsmike1, seems there is a linux module r818x that works at least for some |
| 16:24.07 | xerophyte | which linux certification program is more recognized ? |
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| 16:26.54 | nweaver916 | argh....I hate sun hardware! |
| 16:27.18 | qrck | why do you use it then ? |
| 16:27.22 | nweaver916 | so if I do a dmesg, I see eth2 as HME, and then it shows e1000: eth2 |
| 16:27.34 | nweaver916 | because I am a bit of a masochist |
| 16:27.44 | qrck | i thought they are good... |
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| 16:28.13 | qrck | you have a server rack ? |
| 16:29.41 | xand | sun hardware is good :) at least if you run Solaris on it, which I would recommend ;) |
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| 16:29.47 | nweaver916 | alright, so ifconfig -a shows 3 adapters in this system, eth0 (hme0), eth1 (hme1) and eth2 (intel pro 100 PCI card) |
| 16:30.16 | nweaver916 | I wouldn't push Solaris on anyone....it's so damn irritating after using LInux with good package management |
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| 16:32.28 | thelostbutler | kunwon1: thanks |
| 16:32.38 | kunwon1 | thelostbutler, np |
| 16:33.00 | hunterp | how can i shut down X remotely from ssh |
| 16:33.11 | gpm | kill |
| 16:33.30 | gpm | or if it's running via a dm /etc/init.d/[x|g|k]dm stop |
| 16:33.31 | hunterp | gpm:how can i have it so that the system never boots into X |
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| 16:33.40 | gpm | man update-rc.d |
| 16:33.55 | gpm | basically update-rc.d -f [x|g|k]dm remove |
| 16:34.03 | gpm | depending on which dm you have |
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| 16:34.36 | nweaver916 | I have 2 cards using the e1000 modules, how can I tell which is which (they are different h/w revs, that show up in lspci) |
| 16:34.51 | hunterp | gpm: thx :-) |
| 16:34.55 | gpm | hunterp: np |
| 16:35.20 | gpm | nweaver916: you mean device names? |
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| 16:35.37 | gpm | like, you want to know which device is which? |
| 16:35.40 | gpm | or interface name? |
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| 16:36.10 | nweaver916 | interface name |
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| 16:36.26 | gpm | well, the answer might be in the details of ifconfig? |
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| 16:36.39 | cahoot | nweaver916, see if z25_persistent-net.rules gives a hint |
| 16:36.49 | nweaver916 | like, is eth0 the intel 82543GC, or teh 82545GM card? |
| 16:37.03 | gpm | what cahoot said sounds good |
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| 16:38.53 | metbsd | eth0 eth1 eth2 are just confusing |
| 16:38.58 | metbsd | thank you bsd |
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| 16:39.13 | gpm | :P |
| 16:39.44 | hunterp | is there a way to manually purge the kernel's file cache. |
| 16:39.45 | gpm | i don't hold it against 'em |
| 16:39.53 | CalJohn | metbsd: yes, but sitting down at a random machine, how do you tell what the network device is? (curiousity) |
| 16:39.57 | gpm | what's the kernel's file cache? |
| 16:40.18 | wols_ | CalJohn: ifconfig |
| 16:40.20 | nweaver916 | Caljohn: you shouldn't guess, bsd admins are omnicient |
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| 16:40.51 | CalJohn | What is the name of the program that makes it very easy to turn compiled source into a deb package? |
| 16:40.54 | CalJohn | deb_make? |
| 16:40.57 | metbsd | in bsd, network device are named with abbreviation such as vr0,rtk0, ath0 |
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| 16:41.08 | metbsd | in linux, they are just eth0 eth1 |
| 16:41.11 | metbsd | dumb |
| 16:41.16 | gpm | when isn't the answer for anything data-link-related in ifconfig? |
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| 16:41.53 | gpm | well, linux just supports too many kinds of hardware to worry about that |
| 16:41.56 | gpm | :P |
| 16:42.07 | CalJohn | (it was dh-make) |
| 16:42.30 | wols_ | metbsd: not they aren't always just eth0 or eth1 |
| 16:42.34 | wols_ | wlan for example |
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| 16:42.40 | metbsd | i like your explanation :P |
| 16:42.59 | kunwon1 | naming physical interfaces after the first letters of their drivers is the dumb thing |
| 16:43.15 | metbsd | yes eth* is better |
| 16:43.30 | metbsd | cuz when you delete, you just delete eth* |
| 16:43.40 | metbsd | but with bsd, you delete one by one |
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| 16:43.45 | metbsd | so linux win |
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| 16:44.47 | nweaver916 | I added a module to the blacklist file, but after a reboot it comes up anyway...does that mean it's compiled into the kernel (it's the e100 module) |
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| 16:45.10 | CalJohn | metbsd: can't you name them anything you like with udev? |
| 16:45.33 | GrogDealer | I enalbed scsi verbose debug |
| 16:45.36 | metbsd | i don't know about that, i have never used udev |
| 16:45.38 | GrogDealer | where can I see the log? |
| 16:45.41 | metbsd | what's udev? |
| 16:46.00 | CalJohn | metbsd: how linux does devices now. |
| 16:46.10 | gpm | devfs replacement, if you know what that is |
| 16:46.13 | metbsd | what's advantage of udev |
| 16:46.19 | metbsd | i don't |
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| 16:46.27 | cahoot | nweaver916, I'd suspect udev |
| 16:46.30 | gpm | !udev |
| 16:46.30 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555 |
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| 16:46.47 | CalJohn | metbsd: lots of things, including naming devices whatever you like. |
| 16:47.04 | gpm | yeah, if you don't mind learning the ugly syntax of udev conf files |
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| 16:47.25 | cahoot | nweaver916, look at /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 16:47.36 | hunterp | gpm: the kernel's file cache is that huge piece of unexplained memory in top under cached: |
| 16:47.53 | gpm | huh |
| 16:48.05 | hunterp | actually to the left of it like 1919289398k cached |
| 16:48.11 | Deimos__ | hi |
| 16:48.18 | nweaver916 | cahoot: will that load drivers even if they are blacklisted? |
| 16:48.27 | cahoot | hunterp, why do you want to mess with that? |
| 16:48.49 | cahoot | nweaver916, IIRC it will |
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| 16:49.34 | cahoot | nweaver916, try comment out the stanza the seems to use e100 |
| 16:49.47 | Deimos__ | i want to configure my internet connexion and i have the error "Error, eth0: ioctl SIOCGIFHWADDR: No such device" when i do "dhcpcd eth0" =\ |
| 16:50.05 | cahoot | nweaver916, if there is one |
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| 16:52.17 | mike1o | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.11 | blame | how do I find certain phrase in folders, documents recursively arranged using grep -- cant seem to find the right --option ? |
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| 16:53.53 | ry3 | is there a way to make the etch netinst support wifi? |
| 16:54.31 | cahoot | rgrep |
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| 16:55.00 | donaldo | I've built and installed the ndiswrapper module, ndiswrapper reports my hardware is present with the correct driver installed, yet i still have no wlan0 interface. might i have done something wrong? |
| 16:55.36 | stew | mike1o: you might be better off asking in #cvs |
| 16:55.59 | stew | blame: -r |
| 16:56.17 | mike1o | 16 people there eheh |
| 16:56.20 | stew | ry3: the netinst does support wifi. what chipset is your wifi? |
| 16:56.27 | ry3 | atheros or prism |
| 16:56.30 | ry3 | I have both |
| 16:56.30 | rahul | mike1o: you just need one |
| 16:56.43 | mike1o | eheh true |
| 16:56.44 | rahul | mike1o: you can't delete dirs in CVS. |
| 16:56.51 | rahul | cvs up -dP |
| 16:57.08 | kunwon1 | blame, you might try something like for i in `find ./`; do echo "$i" && cat "$i" | grep foo; done |
| 16:57.16 | stew | ry3: prism is supported out of the box. the driver for atheros is not free so it is not included in the installer, you'd have to create a custom installer with a custom kernel: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
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| 16:57.43 | blame | stew is it: grep -r "phrase" . -R ? |
| 16:57.48 | ry3 | stew: thanks... I'll just use my prism2 card :) |
| 16:57.51 | stew | ry3: well at least some prism chipsets are supported, there might be newer ones, not supported, i'm not sure. do you know the vener, device id? |
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| 16:58.06 | ry3 | stew: no |
| 16:58.17 | ry3 | the card is an older prism2 model |
| 16:58.19 | stew | blame: grep -r "phrase" . ; -R and -r mean the same thing |
| 16:58.29 | ry3 | it should work assuming hostap comes with the install kernel |
| 16:59.06 | blame | stew in that case -r doesnt cut it |
| 16:59.11 | Akira | Hi |
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| 16:59.21 | Akira | I'm searching a nice USB Keyboard Key Logger for Debian Sid |
| 16:59.30 | blame | how do I tell to look for specefic phrase only ? |
| 16:59.30 | stew | ry3: you can hit alt-f2 to get to a console, type "modprobe hostap_cs" or "modprobe hostap_pci" then hit alt-f1 to get back to the installer |
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| 16:59.44 | blame | how do I tell grep to look for specefic phrase only ? |
| 16:59.45 | Akira | can you help me to find that ? |
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| 16:59.54 | stew | blame: grep -r -f "phrase" . |
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| 17:00.05 | stew | blame: err -F not -f |
| 17:00.07 | donaldo | blame: define "look for?" do you mean only print the specific phrase on stdout? |
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| 17:00.17 | mike1o | rahul, cvs rm -R dir after that? |
| 17:00.18 | ry3 | stew: okay, thanks. and it should autoconfigure the network normally? it's an open network so I won't need wpasuplicant or anything |
| 17:00.27 | Shadda | Hey, I'm running debian under VMware. The computer froze and I had to hard reset it, now when I bring it up I have no eth0 device. Anyone know what might be up? |
| 17:00.34 | rahul | mike1o: probably not what you want |
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| 17:00.58 | stew | Shadda: man interfaces |
| 17:01.04 | stew | ry3: yes |
| 17:01.10 | Shadda | stew I get device not found |
| 17:01.12 | Akira | you cannot help me ?! |
| 17:01.14 | Shadda | when I try to bring it up myself |
| 17:01.15 | rahul | mike1o: that will blow away all history of that dir's files |
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| 17:01.53 | stew | Shadda: what devices show up in "ifconfig -a" lo shoudl. does eth0? eth1?... |
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| 17:02.01 | stew | Shadda: how are you trying to bring it up? |
| 17:02.18 | Shadda | eth1 lo sit0 |
| 17:02.26 | Shadda | and I'm doing ifup eth0 |
| 17:02.38 | qmr | Shadda: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 17:02.43 | stew | Shadda: it appears that your ethernet is eth1 not eth0. /msg dpkg z25 |
| 17:02.44 | Shadda | Did that already |
| 17:02.58 | blame | thanks stew and donaldo -- found what i was looking for |
| 17:03.09 | Shadda | gotcha |
| 17:03.10 | Shadda | thanks |
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| 17:04.43 | Shadda | eh |
| 17:04.55 | Shadda | ifup eth1: Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1 |
| 17:05.02 | stew | Shadda: man interfaces |
| 17:05.55 | mike1o | rahul, that's exactly what I want... I get this "could not chdir " |
| 17:06.03 | rahul | hrm |
| 17:06.06 | rahul | strange. |
| 17:06.15 | rahul | mike1o: then #cvs is what you want :) |
| 17:06.17 | Akira | donaldo, i cannot speak with you in private mode, because i'm not registered |
| 17:06.25 | Akira | donaldo, can we speak here ? |
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| 17:06.30 | mike1o | eheh |
| 17:06.56 | pumpkin0 | my debmirror is playing up: "gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found". What next ? |
| 17:07.00 | narcissist | how do i run an executable as a user that does not have shell access? |
| 17:07.04 | stew | pumpkin0: /topic |
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| 17:07.22 | stew | narcissist: you don't |
| 17:07.29 | narcissist | not even possible? |
| 17:07.37 | gpm | no |
| 17:07.39 | narcissist | :/ |
| 17:07.40 | narcissist | okay |
| 17:07.40 | stew | narcissist: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 17:07.59 | gpm | there are some really basic shells out there though |
| 17:08.07 | narcissist | trying to run a webserver as nobody:nogroup, for troubleshooting |
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| 17:08.26 | pumpkin0 | stew: where does the debian-multimedia store its key ?? |
| 17:08.26 | CalJohn | looks like the modules "k8temp" doesn't come with the standard debian kernel. Where do I get it? |
| 17:08.27 | gpm | su |
| 17:08.29 | gpm | ? |
| 17:08.47 | gpm | pumpkin0: there's a debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 17:08.51 | narcissist | talking to me, gpm? |
| 17:08.51 | gpm | or something like it |
| 17:08.56 | gpm | narcissist: worth a shot |
| 17:08.58 | gpm | yeah |
| 17:09.01 | MangosDebian | narcissist: whats wrong with www-data? |
| 17:09.16 | gpm | pumpkin0: debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 17:09.21 | gpm | install that |
| 17:09.27 | narcissist | it's litespeed, not apache. they recommended nobody:nogroup, for some reason |
| 17:09.32 | pumpkin0 | gpm: already tried, didn't work. |
| 17:09.40 | gpm | :/ worked for me |
| 17:09.40 | stew | pumpkin0: run apt-get update |
| 17:09.46 | MangosDebian | narcissist: don't listen to them, they dont know what they are talking about |
| 17:09.56 | narcissist | well.. does it at all matter? |
| 17:10.04 | MangosDebian | narcissist: if everything on your box runs as nobody, then all your software has full access to each other |
| 17:10.24 | stew | narcissist: is this a debian box? |
| 17:10.29 | narcissist | yes? |
| 17:10.36 | MangosDebian | narcissist: create a user for your web server, give it a shell temp to test, when done set to /bin/false or /nonexistant |
| 17:10.40 | pumpkin0 | stew: after that i get "debian-multimedia-keyring is already the newest version". Did the multimedia-repo mess up the keys ? |
| 17:11.12 | gpm | you install that package, run apt-get update |
| 17:11.13 | stew | pumpkin0: i dunno, ask them. in general you just have to run apt-get update; or aptitude update; after installing the package |
| 17:11.18 | gpm | and then you shouldn't get gpg errors |
| 17:11.30 | stew | narcissist: a debian server, in general wouldn't be running apache as nobody:nogroup |
| 17:11.38 | gpm | not apache |
| 17:11.41 | narcissist | i'm not running apache |
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| 17:12.04 | narcissist | thanks for the tip, MangosDebian |
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| 17:12.31 | pumpkin0 | stew: can i globaly disable the check for gpg ? |
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| 17:12.41 | stew | pumpkin0: yes, but why would you? |
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| 17:13.18 | MangosDebian | narcissist: np, not to be so...assertive?, about it though ;) |
| 17:13.33 | MangosDebian | s/not/sorry/ |
| 17:13.35 | pumpkin0 | stew: cause i dont have the time to debug the multimedia-keyring. I just need a debmirror from them as long as my internet works. |
| 17:13.55 | stew | pumpkin0: /msg dpkg apt-secure ; afaik the wiki has info about disabling it |
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| 17:16.07 | n0mad | how can i print from adobe reader ? there is a hint to install cupsys-bsd, but this forces deinstalling lpr. is lpr still needed anyway ? |
| 17:16.10 | alexou | hello, how to deplace my screen on the left with xorg.conf driver ati ? |
| 17:16.26 | Supaplex | !xvidtune |
| 17:16.26 | dpkg | xvidtune is probably for tweaking your modeline timeings. This will prevent adjusting your monitor every time the mode changes. |
| 17:16.31 | narcissist | how do i give ssh access to a user? |
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| 17:16.48 | gpm | just run the ssh server |
| 17:16.51 | petemc | narcissist: if you added them with adduser, they should have it |
| 17:17.02 | narcissist | it's already there |
| 17:17.03 | gpm | then anyone who can physically log in should be able to log in remotely via ssh |
| 17:17.07 | stew | narcissist: all users with shell access would have access to ssh unless you explicitly did something to remove their access |
| 17:17.31 | narcissist | in what file are those permissions set? |
| 17:17.38 | stew | narcissist: what permissions? |
| 17:17.44 | gpm | /etc/ssh/sshd_config? |
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| 17:18.01 | Supaplex | narcissist: is it not working, or what else are you trying to do? |
| 17:18.33 | _wfq | I know that is not the channel, but does anyone know what is the mozilla's file where contacts are saved? |
| 17:18.35 | valdyn | n0mad: which printing system are you currently using? cups or lpr? |
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| 17:19.05 | n0mad | valdyn: cups |
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| 17:19.07 | harpal | when I tried to recompile kernel 2.6.18.1. I issue command make then it gives error net/built-in.o(.text+0x23f75): In function `checkentry': |
| 17:19.08 | harpal | : undefined reference to `brnf_deferred_hooks' |
| 17:19.08 | narcissist | is it possible ssh:ing as "nobody"? |
| 17:19.12 | qmr | anyone here good with tcpdump? I need to find out what is happening on an interface on port 25 tcp |
| 17:19.17 | narcissist | i was going to try to start it with that user |
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| 17:19.47 | harpal | any idea |
| 17:19.48 | valdyn | n0mad: cupsys-bsd just provides an lpr-alike interface to cups, replacing /usr/bin/lpr, so its conflicting with lpr |
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| 17:19.51 | donaldo | so anyone know what i might be doing wrong? i have no wlan0. but i have installed the ndiswrapper module, and the ndiswrapper -l command tells me my wireless hardware and driver are both present |
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| 17:20.01 | stew | narcissist: yes, but it would not be wise. presumably you are running services as 'nobody' explicitly becuase its safer to be running that stuff under credentials that aren't allowed shell access |
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| 17:20.08 | narcissist | i have to reinstall litespeed in order to change user, and since i've changed a lot i'm reluctant in doing so |
| 17:20.18 | EmleyMoor | If I want to install sid on a virtual machine (e.g. qemu), what am I best downloading in terms of an installer? |
| 17:20.21 | gpm | donaldo: did you actually load the module (modprobe)? |
| 17:20.26 | qmr | EmleyMoor: netinst disc |
| 17:20.28 | donaldo | gpm: yes |
| 17:20.28 | n0mad | valdyn: are there any major progs that depend on native lpr ? |
| 17:20.33 | gpm | EmleyMoor: or businesscard |
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| 17:20.38 | narcissist | stew: was going to log in and then put it back on the no-access-list |
| 17:20.42 | gpm | donaldo: heh, that's all i can offer in terms of help :/ |
| 17:20.46 | narcissist | that was my plan :) |
| 17:20.55 | EmleyMoor | gpm: for testing and set it up to do unstable instead? |
| 17:20.58 | valdyn | n0mad: uh, cupsys-bsd brovides the _same_ interface |
| 17:21.01 | bonez39 | how do I determine, without opening my case, the specifications for my pc's memory? |
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| 17:21.07 | donaldo | gpm: well thanks anyway. sometimes the problem is the most obvious one. |
| 17:21.10 | valdyn | n0mad: apps wouldnt know the difference |
| 17:21.11 | stew | narcissist: why do you want to install with the nobody account instead of some other account? |
| 17:21.15 | gpm | EmleyMoor: yeah, i think if you boot with the expert option it asks you which version of debian |
| 17:21.16 | enouf | EmleyMoor: netboot or businesscard |
| 17:21.20 | valdyn | n0mad: so answer is 'no' |
| 17:21.24 | narcissist | not install, just run. |
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| 17:21.36 | gpm | isn't there an init.d for this webserver? |
| 17:21.39 | narcissist | following the troubleshooting steps for litespeed http://www.litespeedtech.com/support/wiki/doku.php?id=litespeed_wiki:rails:troubleshoot |
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| 17:21.45 | qmr | hey, about how much space would a bare etch install take? roughly? like installing from netinst and not selecting anything in tasksel |
| 17:21.49 | narcissist | probably? |
| 17:21.54 | n0mad | valdyn: thx |
| 17:21.58 | CalJohn | qmr: about 400-500mb |
| 17:21.59 | stew | narcissist: can't you start it as root and have it drop privileges? |
| 17:22.05 | valdyn | qmr: is that system supposed to be useful for anything? |
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| 17:22.13 | qmr | valdyn: no. just something that boots |
| 17:22.18 | valdyn | qmr: except wasting energy i mean |
| 17:22.23 | user_1 | Hello, I have a question. There are two dhcp server packages: "dhcp" provides a server, and "dhcp3-server" also. Is one of them preferred or is it up to me to decide? |
| 17:22.24 | qmr | this vps host has etch and it's taking 700m. seems a bit high to me |
| 17:22.25 | CalJohn | qmr: that's a maximum, i think it is less than that |
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| 17:22.46 | valdyn | qmr: should be much less than that.. |
| 17:22.47 | enouf | qmr: the installation guide tells you rough estimates |
| 17:22.52 | gpm | narcissist: how did you install litespeed? |
| 17:22.54 | stew | narcissist: what port are you going to run it on? port 80? |
| 17:23.00 | narcissist | yep, 80 |
| 17:23.04 | narcissist | gpm: how? |
| 17:23.08 | CalJohn | what is a good ncurses/shell program for editing runlevels/init etc? |
| 17:23.12 | gpm | yeah, did you install a .deb file? |
| 17:23.16 | narcissist | what options are there, really? |
| 17:23.16 | stew | narcissist: then you have to start it as root, nobody isn't allowed to bind to port 80 |
| 17:23.18 | qmr | CalJohn: vim.. |
| 17:23.18 | valdyn | CalJohn: ln -s and vim |
| 17:23.25 | narcissist | no, i downloaded the tar from the site |
| 17:23.26 | enouf | CalJohn: sysv-rc-conf |
| 17:23.30 | CalJohn | qmr: well, obviously. |
| 17:23.34 | roxy_ | trying to compile a prog, I get a undefined reference to `foo`. Where does the problem comes from . I am sure the library has been installed with dpkg. |
| 17:23.45 | CalJohn | qmr: valdyn: sysv-rc-conf was what i was looking for |
| 17:23.58 | enouf | CalJohn: /msg dpkg update-rc.d |
| 17:24.01 | narcissist | so you suggest i shut it down and just start it up as root? |
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| 17:24.02 | valdyn | CalJohn: right, i guess so, those programs suck |
| 17:24.04 | narcissist | litespeed, that is |
| 17:24.05 | chop1 | roxy_: Do you have the -dev library installed? |
| 17:24.16 | roxy_ | chop1: yes |
| 17:24.17 | user_1 | When I run "mandb", it tells me it found a new man page every time. Is that how its supposed to be? |
| 17:24.19 | CalJohn | valdyn: i use vim atm, i'm just curious |
| 17:24.21 | valdyn | CalJohn: and make using them stupidly way to easy |
| 17:24.43 | gpm | too |
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| 17:24.47 | chop1 | roxy_: Pastebinning the error will make it easier for us to debug it |
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| 17:25.02 | enouf | valdyn: do you remove the symlonks in rc?.d or just rename them? |
| 17:25.07 | valdyn | roxy_: paste the precise error |
| 17:25.08 | enouf | er symlinks |
| 17:25.14 | gpm | narcissist: i'd recommend starting it however the documentation on the website/README file says |
| 17:25.15 | user_1 | The only thing I get is |
| 17:25.28 | valdyn | enouf: neither, i move /etc/init.d scripts |
| 17:25.40 | user_1 | "Wait...done." after mandb parses /usr/share/man/man7 |
| 17:25.42 | gpm | valdyn: ugh. is it worth the trouble? |
| 17:25.58 | enouf | valdyn: i see .. ok, so ln really isn't needed then? |
| 17:26.01 | valdyn | gpm: what is? |
| 17:26.15 | gpm | valdyn: moving init.d scripts every time there's a new one? |
| 17:26.20 | MatBoy | I'm having issues with a Marvell Rev 2 based controller, is this one not supported well ? |
| 17:26.31 | valdyn | enouf: all of these methods can easily be used wrongly and packages can fall over missing files in /etc/init.d/ stupidly |
| 17:26.32 | user_1 | Is that behavior normal for mandb? |
| 17:27.12 | narcissist | gpm: "[Security] Server should not run as a priviledged user such as "root". For security, it it is critical that the server is configured to runs with a un-privileged user/group combination that do not have login/shell access. User/Group of nobody is generally a good choice." |
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| 17:27.32 | enouf | valdyn: i'm asking because the one thing i find annoying is try to remember/know/recall what the original NN was for the link |
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| 17:27.41 | enouf | s/try/trying |
| 17:27.50 | user_1 | Does anybody know if it is normal for mandb to report a new manpage every time |
| 17:27.54 | valdyn | enouf: i think its not needed, runlevels arent good for that much. ln would be neat to add something to one specificrunlevel or remove it from another specific runlevel - but when do you need that? i dont ever. |
| 17:28.06 | user_1 | Oh, I mean it finds a #newer |
| 17:28.07 | enouf | valdyn: i hear many say tehy just rm teh symlink |
| 17:28.13 | narcissist | gpm: if it's not working, it should be that nobody has not got the right privileges to the /var/www/app - right? |
| 17:28.13 | stew | narcissist: you'll have to start it as root if you want it to run on port 80, if you want it running as some other user, its going to have to drop privileges after it binds to port 80 |
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| 17:28.15 | user_1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.29 | user_1 | Well bye then, since noone can hep me... |
| 17:28.31 | narcissist | uhm. and how is that done, stew? |
| 17:28.31 | stew | narcissist: no, nobody does not have privileges to port 80 |
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| 17:28.39 | valdyn | enouf: i find that much harder to track compared to ls /etc/init./*.disabled |
| 17:28.48 | narcissist | if i change it to port 81, are you saying it would work? |
| 17:28.50 | enouf | valdyn: well .. there's the 0,1, and S can be important ;-) |
| 17:28.52 | stew | narcissist: i don't know anything about configuring this particular app to do that |
| 17:28.54 | alexou | how to use modeline in xorg.conf for ati drivers ? |
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| 17:29.03 | enouf | valdyn: ahh renaming ..ok ;-) |
| 17:29.06 | holycow | hey guys |
| 17:29.09 | stew | narcissist: no, all ports < 1024 are only allowed to be bound to by root |
| 17:29.15 | narcissist | okay |
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| 17:30.06 | stew | narcissist: so, for instance, when you install apache in debian, it is setup to start as root, bind to the ports, then drop privileges so that its running as www-data after it binds to the port |
| 17:30.06 | gpm | ugh, just use apache or at least an httpd that's in debian proper |
| 17:30.08 | narcissist | stew: there are two litespeed processes. one running as nobody, and one running as root |
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| 17:30.27 | holycow | i've built images for standard installs but this is for machines with sata so moving an hd to an ide machine borks the fstab and grub stuff. should i be naming the partitions and in fstab and grub calling the named partitions to automagically allow hds to be moved between boxen of different generations? |
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| 17:30.36 | StrongArm | does debian require a /boot partition, what the recomended value for the root / for a my laptop install |
| 17:30.38 | stew | narcissist: so it sounds like what you want to have happen is probably already happening |
| 17:30.53 | roxy_ | valdyn, chop1: http://pastebin.com/936912 |
| 17:30.57 | die7 | poweroff |
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| 17:30.59 | holycow | StrongArm, no and depends |
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| 17:31.01 | holycow | in that order |
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| 17:31.11 | valdyn | enouf: its all messy, moved /etc/init.d scripts can break package upgrades ( though that's rather easy to find and debug ), removing symlinks will only work till next upgrade and services may be started without you noticing.. |
| 17:31.15 | RainbowW | StrongArm: boot partition not required but many recommend it. recommended value depends on what you want. |
| 17:31.20 | stew | StrongArm: no, debian doesn't require a /boot partition in general, but some specific configurations might require it depending on how / i ssetup |
| 17:31.23 | narcissist | welll... i can actually reach it through port 80. it just times out, though |
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| 17:31.27 | narcissist | could that be the permissions? |
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| 17:32.45 | stew | narcissist: one would hope that it would return a 403 if it were a permissions problem, not just time out |
| 17:32.45 | enouf | valdyn: i will admit, unless one notates within which various runlevels the default install script (.deb, debconf) placed/places the startup symlinks, tools like sysv-rc-conf also doesn't keep track of that, which can cause real issues for many types of startup scripts (ifupdown, maybe acpid, bootclean, stuff that's not just 2,3,4,5) |
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| 17:33.26 | enouf | valdyn: i see those points .. yes |
| 17:33.35 | WalrusKing | ORACLEGD.COM -/- RQPORN.COM -\- ORACLEGD.COM -/- RQPORN.COM - YOU MOTHER FUCKING QUARTER POUND CUNT FUCK BASTARDS |
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| 17:33.49 | narcissist | stew: one would hope, definately. not saying it absolutely would, right? i'm not that familiar with litespeed either, don't know how it reacts to all sorts of things. i get 503 - Service Unavailable after like two minutes |
| 17:33.51 | rahul | oooookaaay. |
| 17:33.52 | qmr | you know |
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| 17:34.06 | qmr | if he had put the http:// so I could click the link instead of copy pasting, I probably woulda looked |
| 17:34.10 | StrongArm | I already have a /boot partition created of 70M, can I go ahead and overwrite it with Debian without deleting the partition? |
| 17:34.31 | valdyn | roxy_: this means that either the linked against library doesnt not contain those symbols or there's a library that should be linked against but is not, while symbols from it are used |
| 17:34.33 | RainbowW | i need to permit www-data to write to a user's public_html directory. assuming the user is permitted login privs, is adding www-data to the user's group a Bad Idea? |
| 17:34.41 | supaman | what was it agin they called a quarter pounder in france??? :) |
| 17:34.50 | blackbart | What documentation should I read to learn how to connect to wireless networks? |
| 17:35.16 | Ronin | supaman: same thing they call it in north america, junk |
| 17:35.22 | stew | blackbart: install wireless-tools and read 'man 7 wireless' ; if you need wpa, then install wpa-supplicant and read /usr/share/doc/wpa-supplicant |
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| 17:35.43 | valdyn | roxy_: since this looks like something written by you - including the header is not enough, you the appropriate -l switch too ( like -lmath ) or whatever library contains those symbols |
| 17:35.59 | blackbart | stew, thank you |
| 17:37.01 | qrck | ciaoi |
| 17:37.06 | qrck | *winks* |
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| 17:37.13 | roxy_ | valdyn: that's my problem, I have to use qmake and can't just pass -l switch. |
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| 17:38.18 | lindenle | anyone know how to make zile break lines like emacs does |
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| 17:42.43 | valdyn | StrongArm: sure |
| 17:42.46 | kingsley | What would be a good way to diagnose why a computer intermittently goes quiet, until "rmmod snd_via82xx && modprobe snd_via82xx"? I don't see anything in /var/log/messages or dmesg. |
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| 17:43.09 | valdyn | !rmmod |
| 17:43.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' instead |
| 17:43.14 | StrongArm | cheers valdyn |
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| 17:43.43 | Enverex | Why shouldn't it be used? |
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| 17:45.06 | RainbowW | i need to let some cgi programs write to a user's public_html dir. options seem to be to add apache's user to user's group, or chgrp appropriate places to apache's user. which is preferable? |
| 17:45.22 | kingsley | valdyn: I'll try modprobe -r. |
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| 17:45.41 | valdyn | kingsley: that hint has no direct relation to your issue |
| 17:46.20 | Enverex | What's the generally easiest logger to use? |
| 17:46.32 | valdyn | Enverex: what's a 'logger' ? |
| 17:47.03 | Enverex | System logger, like metalog or whatever |
| 17:47.04 | Supaplex | Enverex: like syslog? |
| 17:47.19 | valdyn | Enverex: why would you change the default |
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| 17:47.41 | Enverex | Supaplex, Yeah. What does Debian use by default? |
| 17:47.51 | scythetleppo | I cannot print with debian, I am getting an error |
| 17:48.32 | Supaplex | !+info syslog etch |
| 17:48.34 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 17:48.35 | dpkg | Package 'syslog' does not exist. |
| 17:48.41 | valdyn | !info sysklogd etch |
| 17:48.45 | dpkg | sysklogd: (System Logging Daemon), section admin, is important. Version: 1.4.1-18 (etch), Packaged size: 56 kB, Installed size: 212 kB |
| 17:48.58 | scythetleppo | http://rafb.net/p/n5eJIs69.html |
| 17:49.29 | scythetleppo | this is a local, directly plugged in printer |
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| 17:50.28 | Enverex | Anyone? |
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| 17:53.03 | Supaplex | Enverex: http://packages.debian.org/sysklogd |
| 17:53.15 | scythetleppo | if anyone knows where to find the solution to the printer not working in that error message, please let me know |
| 17:53.30 | Enverex | Just because its in the repos doesn't mean its the default... |
| 17:54.31 | alexou | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.38 | karsten | scythetleppo: Looks as if you're trying to access your local system via network. |
| 17:55.05 | karsten | alexou: man xorg.conf. In general: add a "MODELINE" line to the file in the appropriate place. |
| 17:55.18 | karsten | alexou: There are a number of modeline-generator packages for Debian FYI. |
| 17:55.35 | scythetleppo | karsten: it's my friend's computer and he says the printer is directly plugged into it. how can I change it to be local? |
| 17:55.49 | branstrom_ | Why does "top" show 110% CPU for a process? :) |
| 17:55.59 | alexou | karsten, do you know a good generator ? |
| 17:56.06 | karsten | scythetleppo: Don't use a networked protocol for a local printer. Should be lpt/usb. |
| 17:56.09 | qmr | branstrom_: your computer is evolving. soon it will try to take over the world. |
| 17:56.12 | karsten | alexou: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:56.19 | karsten | branstrom_: It's very, very busy. |
| 17:56.21 | branstrom_ | qmr, I was suspecting something along those lines :D |
| 17:56.46 | qmr | branstrom_: pull the plug while you can! |
| 17:56.49 | karsten | alexou: Last I checked there were two.... |
| 17:56.51 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 17:57.00 | branstrom_ | But seriously, how come it doesn't stop at 100? Anyone have a boring explanation? |
| 17:57.31 | alexou | karsten, i don't understand what you want i do |
| 17:57.37 | karsten | alexou: Not finding one ATM. GIYF. |
| 17:57.41 | scythetleppo | karsten: I'm sorry I'm new at this, how do you change from networked protocol to lpt/usb ? |
| 17:57.42 | karsten | alexou: Search for one yourself. |
| 17:57.50 | valdyn | branstrom_: using a stock kernel? |
| 17:57.56 | karsten | scythetleppo: RTFM CUPS config docs. |
| 17:58.09 | valdyn | !cups setup |
| 17:58.09 | dpkg | i guess cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy!, or or you can try printconf |
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| 17:58.20 | Yea10354 | ok myu servers got some errors |
| 17:58.29 | branstrom_ | valdyn, I'm using the one you get when you install Debian Etch |
| 17:58.37 | branstrom_ | and don't mess around with anything |
| 17:58.39 | karsten | branstrom_: You can check the raw process stats under /proc/<PID>/status. I suspect a transient issue. |
| 17:58.41 | abrotman | dpkg: cups setup =~ s/or or/or/ |
| 17:58.41 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 17:58.46 | Yea10354 | Mounting local filesystems . . . failed |
| 17:58.46 | Yea10354 | * Not starting internet superserver: no services enabled. |
| 17:58.50 | karsten | branstrom_: Possibly a multi-threaded app getting rolled up. |
| 17:58.52 | branstrom_ | transient issue? |
| 17:58.53 | Yea10354 | how do i fis this ? |
| 17:58.54 | alexou | karsten, i am on this problem for tv-out since 6 month, i usually search for myself |
| 17:58.59 | branstrom_ | Getting rolled up? |
| 17:59.05 | karsten | Yea10354: Filesystem error most likely. 'dmesg' says what. |
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| 17:59.20 | Yea10354 | honestly i dont know |
| 17:59.38 | karsten | branstrom_: multiple threads reported as one == rolled up. |
| 17:59.39 | alexou | karsten, i have not enough knowledge to understand the parameters which are good for my tv on modeline, that"s why i am here |
| 17:59.52 | branstrom_ | It's MySQL, I'm in the process of prohibiting spammy search requests, I think that's it |
| 18:00.26 | valdyn | Yea10354: what's your real issue beside that message? |
| 18:00.33 | Yea10354 | thats it |
| 18:00.45 | valdyn | Yea10354: its not a grave error in itself |
| 18:00.47 | Yea10354 | the server threw those 2 warnings |
| 18:00.51 | scythetleppo | karsten: type that in the command line? |
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| 18:01.04 | valdyn | Yea10354: * Not starting internet superserver: no services enabled. is fine, you probably have no inetd services.. fine |
| 18:01.09 | karsten | !rtfm |
| 18:01.09 | dpkg | it has been said that rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 18:01.11 | karsten | scythetleppo: ^^ |
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| 18:01.24 | Yea10354 | valdyn: the other error ? |
| 18:01.39 | karsten | scythetleppo: http://localhost:631/ should have a docs link for cups. It's good. Read it. |
| 18:01.43 | valdyn | Yea10354: the other in combination with a perfectly fine working system indicates that you have something like a local fs not being mounted that you dont even access |
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| 18:02.03 | branstrom_ | karsten, how would one go about finding out if MySQL is "rolled up"? |
| 18:02.04 | Yea10354 | valdyn: how can i go about fixing it ? |
| 18:02.20 | valdyn | Yea10354: compare /etc/fstab with df |
| 18:02.25 | alexou | karsten, i have this param : Modeline "800x600" 40.00 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync, do you know how to move the screnn on the left ? |
| 18:02.27 | valdyn | Yea10354: compare /etc/fstab with the output df |
| 18:02.28 | valdyn | Yea10354: compare /etc/fstab with the output of df |
| 18:02.34 | Yea10354 | ok |
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| 18:02.42 | valdyn | alexou: run xvidtune |
| 18:03.10 | alexou | valdyn, xvidtune modify xorg.conf ? |
| 18:03.21 | valdyn | alexou: no, but it outputs modified modelines |
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| 18:03.43 | Yea10354 | df wont work here |
| 18:03.48 | Yea10354 | valdyn: accurateyl |
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| 18:03.50 | karsten | alexou: http://www.google.com/search?q=modeline+howto&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 http://www.google.com/search?q=modeline+generator&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 18:03.51 | alexou | thanks valdyn :) |
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| 18:03.57 | valdyn | Yea10354: uh? how can it not work? |
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| 18:04.56 | valdyn | Yea10354: the fstab entry for / can lie btw, you can probably see that on used space if you really know your system |
| 18:04.57 | alexou | valdyn, i use xorg and i see on your links Xfree86 generator ... |
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| 18:05.49 | valdyn | Yea10354: an invalid entry in fstab for / should create a bogus output in df and still can leave a running system |
| 18:06.02 | scythetleppo | karsten: I'm sorry I don't know what that means localhost:631 is there a different place to learn that? |
| 18:06.07 | valdyn | alexou: same thing |
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| 18:06.21 | alexou | thanks valdyn |
| 18:06.50 | karsten | scythetleppo: That's a URL. Paste to your browser. |
| 18:06.57 | valdyn | alexou: xvidtune is quite old, that doesnt change anything. modulines look the same in xfree86 and xorg |
| 18:07.07 | Yea10354 | valdyn: right now i am runnign a network booted system on the server to get access to the HD completely |
| 18:07.07 | branstrom_ | karsten, this looks weird |
| 18:07.08 | branstrom_ | Name: mysqld |
| 18:07.08 | branstrom_ | State: S (sleeping) |
| 18:07.08 | branstrom_ | SleepAVG: 98% |
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| 18:07.32 | branstrom_ | :-/ |
| 18:07.40 | Yea10354 | valdyn: s oim not sure if df is giving me the fstab df entry of my drive i am chrooted into or the one of the network booted system |
| 18:07.43 | scythetleppo | karsten: I did and it just says Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at localhost:631. |
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| 18:07.47 | nostalg1c | i did a dist-upgrade from sarge to etch yesterday, and it got a bit foobarred (stopped somewhere in between). i've been able to fix it (afaik :)) but i'm having problems when i load irssi in an ssh session to that server... weird to explain, but it seems to skip 2 characters when switching colors, or from bold to normal, not sure. sounds familiar to anyone? |
| 18:07.57 | scythetleppo | I'm not on *ux right now |
| 18:08.20 | scythetleppo | *ix i mean lol |
| 18:08.23 | qmr | nostalg1c: are you sure you dist-upgraded all the way? you might try regenerating locales |
| 18:08.31 | branstrom_ | Who's da pasterboy? (bot) |
| 18:08.42 | valdyn | Yea10354: df just reads /etc/mtab, chrooting after mounting the fs wont magically fix the mtab in the chroot |
| 18:09.00 | nostalg1c | qmr, i'm not. i had problems with mysql that i fixed, but i don't know how to 'resume' the full dist-upgrade |
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| 18:09.15 | Yea10354 | valdyn: you dont undeerstand my situation |
| 18:09.24 | qmr | nostalg1c: the same way you started it. |
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| 18:09.39 | valdyn | Yea10354: right, hence my hints are being vague, as your information has been |
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| 18:09.43 | Yea10354 | Server is borked ...si i have a network booted distro all booted up on the server soo i can fix the HD :P |
| 18:10.05 | Yea10354 | so i mount my HD and chroot to it ;) |
| 18:10.11 | nostalg1c | qmr, oh. then it's finished, yea. says its got nothing to do |
| 18:10.28 | nostalg1c | qmr, this regenerating locales dance, will you teach me the moves? |
| 18:10.29 | Yea10354 | valdyn: so its kinda like having the real system |
| 18:10.42 | valdyn | Yea10354: geez, you lead me on the completely wrong track when telling me that you had no other issue than those 2 warnings |
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| 18:10.57 | Yea10354 | valdyn: what other issues do i have ? |
| 18:11.07 | Yea10354 | those are the only 2 things why my server wont boot |
| 18:11.11 | scythetleppo | karsten: is there a one-line fix for this problem by any chance? lol >< |
| 18:11.13 | nostalg1c | qmr, just run locale-gen? |
| 18:11.14 | karsten | scythetleppo: On the system running CUPS. |
| 18:11.27 | valdyn | Yea10354: a warning is not an issue, a server not booting is an issue |
| 18:11.29 | karsten | scythetleppo: Gotta split. |
| 18:11.29 | qmr | nostalg1c: dpkg-reconfigure locales maybe |
| 18:12.14 | valdyn | Yea10354: your 2 messages dont imply a non-functional system necessarily |
| 18:12.14 | Yea10354 | valdyn: well |
| 18:12.14 | Yea10354 | my datacenter sent those to me |
| 18:12.23 | Yea10354 | and said hey your getting these 2 errors and put the server back into network boot for me |
| 18:12.30 | Yea10354 | so it may very well work |
| 18:12.39 | Yea10354 | but i really want to get the fulesystem thing fixed |
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| 18:13.27 | nostalg1c | qmr, that didn't really help, it seems :) |
| 18:13.33 | Yea10354 | valdyn: ya got me now :P |
| 18:13.35 | qmr | nostalg1c: well dammit |
| 18:13.36 | valdyn | Yea10354: that datacenter should send you the full debugging output of your boot process, not those 2 useless warnings |
| 18:13.48 | Yea10354 | i have full access to the HD |
| 18:13.54 | Yea10354 | anywehre i can see that ? |
| 18:14.02 | nostalg1c | qmr, hehe. my guess was there's something wrong with the TERM settings, but i have no idea if dist-upgrade can impact that and if so, how |
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| 18:14.20 | valdyn | Yea10354: /var/log/dmesg, /var/log/boot ( if you enabled boot log ) |
| 18:14.24 | qmr | nostalg1c: try a diff user acct? |
| 18:14.30 | qmr | !info preload |
| 18:14.34 | dpkg | preload: (adaptive readahead daemon), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.4-4 (sid), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 172 kB |
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| 18:15.17 | mirak | tar -cvjf how can I specify the compression level with tar command ? |
| 18:15.43 | nostalg1c | qmr, heh weird. i tried it with another user before, but no luck. its fixed for that other user though now that i retry. |
| 18:15.47 | Yea10354 | valdyn: yea i got it |
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| 18:15.53 | Yea10354 | how do you copy all in nano ? |
| 18:15.55 | Yea10354 | :P |
| 18:16.05 | qmr | nostalg1c: rm -rf ~/ && irssi |
| 18:16.22 | dkr | mirak: man tar is how I would find out :) |
| 18:16.28 | valdyn | mirak: tar cv | bzip2 <whatever_options> ( see man bzip2 ) |
| 18:16.34 | nostalg1c | qmr, you want me to remove my entire home dir? :o |
| 18:16.37 | abrotman | qmr: what the hell |
| 18:16.42 | abrotman | qmr: don't do that again |
| 18:16.49 | mirak | dkr: I bet a beer you can't find it in it |
| 18:16.54 | qmr | abrotman: don't do what, provide solutions to people's problems? |
| 18:17.03 | qmr | nostalg1c: well, it would fix your issue. |
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| 18:17.07 | abrotman | qmr: you can get banned for that kind of stuff |
| 18:17.13 | qmr | nostalg1c: you might try moving .bash_* first |
| 18:17.22 | qmr | abrotman: for providing top notch support? hmph. |
| 18:17.43 | abrotman | qmr: that's not top-notch .. that's idiotic and destructive |
| 18:17.47 | valdyn | qmr: destroying a users personal data is 'top notch' support? |
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| 18:18.00 | Yea10354 | anyone here use NANO ? |
| 18:18.05 | qmr | it *would* fix the problem |
| 18:18.08 | qmr | !anyone |
| 18:18.08 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 18:18.12 | Yea10354 | how do you Copy all text ? |
| 18:18.14 | MangosDebian | qmr: thats not the point |
| 18:18.16 | qmr | Yea10354: just ask what problem is with nano |
| 18:18.21 | Yea10354 | ^ |
| 18:18.22 | gpm | Yea10354: select it all |
| 18:18.26 | Yea10354 | how ? |
| 18:18.32 | gpm | with a mouse |
| 18:18.34 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: still hard at it eh? |
| 18:18.36 | valdyn | !ops qmr |
| 18:18.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: valdyn complains about: qmr |
| 18:18.37 | dkr | mirak: well, indicating you already checked the docs would be nice. so I guess you have to pipe it into compression program to get the more fine-granied options like comrpession level, as valdyn said |
| 18:18.39 | Yea10354 | lol |
| 18:18.46 | nostalg1c | qmr, oh, i found it. both users were running a screen, but one of them was screening directly to irssi, the other passed through bash, which probably had the wrong term settings or something |
| 18:18.46 | gpm | gpm |
| 18:18.47 | Yea10354 | MangosDebian: almost got it i think :P |
| 18:18.48 | gpm | seriously |
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| 18:19.04 | Yea10354 | doesnt work quite that way with the mouse here |
| 18:19.08 | Yea10354 | dammit |
| 18:19.10 | scythetleppo | anyone know what to do to change to a local printer? someone said to go to localhost:361 but what would I do after that? |
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| 18:19.30 | gpm | afaik that's the only way with nano...it's supposed to be a pretty basic editor |
| 18:19.38 | gpm | vim can select and copy with kbd though |
| 18:19.43 | Yea10354 | i cant use my mouse to scroll down |
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| 18:19.49 | gpm | oh yeah |
| 18:19.50 | Yea10354 | just copy whats on screen i cant scroll |
| 18:19.53 | nostalg1c | you can use ctrl-u and ctrl-k to cut/paste lines |
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| 18:19.53 | gpm | you'd have to go in pieces. |
| 18:19.59 | valdyn | scythetleppo: 631 |
| 18:19.59 | Yea10354 | man |
| 18:20.01 | gpm | well you could just cat the file |
| 18:20.05 | gpm | and copy it from there |
| 18:20.16 | qmr | Yea10354: You can use mouse in vim to copy/paste |
| 18:20.18 | gpm | depending on what you want to do with the contents |
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| 18:20.29 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: are you using screen? |
| 18:20.33 | abrotman | qmr: didn't you get kick/banned a few hours ago ? |
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| 18:20.52 | Yea10354 | MangosDebian: i dont know what im using im ssh'd into it |
| 18:20.59 | scythetleppo | what would I do after going to that page? I'm sorry I don't have access to that computer right now... |
| 18:21.16 | valdyn | scythetleppo: you just read the text on that page, its not difficult |
| 18:21.25 | Yea10354 | gpm: now when i do cat my ssh session doesnt scroll up that car :P |
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| 18:21.52 | Yea10354 | far* |
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| 18:22.04 | gpm | you could also cat it into the file you want to paste into |
| 18:22.10 | gpm | like cat file1 > file2 |
| 18:22.15 | gpm | or >> if you want to append |
| 18:22.18 | gpm | and not overwrite |
| 18:22.19 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: apt-get install screen |
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| 18:22.30 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: it has a built in copy paste feature |
| 18:22.33 | Yea10354 | what will screen do MangosDebian ? |
| 18:22.41 | scythetleppo | valdyn: can you send me a screenshot of what it looks like please? I'm new and I don't want to go over to my friends house to fix it and not know what im in store for |
| 18:22.47 | mirak | dkr: yup |
| 18:22.49 | scythetleppo | valdyn: i will love you forever |
| 18:22.53 | Yea10354 | i can copy n paste its just nano dont want to scroll with mouse |
| 18:23.01 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: allows you to create multiple virtual screens/consoles and switch between them |
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| 18:23.51 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: also, if you get disconnected from the network, screen will still run and allow you to reattach from same machine or a different one |
| 18:23.51 | null | Question: What can I pass to unzip so that it creates a directory the name of the zip file, and then unzips there |
| 18:24.10 | abrotman | null: it's how the zip is created .. it's not an option |
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| 18:24.13 | Yea10354 | how do youselect all in vim ? |
| 18:24.17 | Yea10354 | i am using that now |
| 18:24.38 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: "v" |
| 18:24.39 | dan2 | abrotman: hi |
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| 18:24.47 | dan2 | abrotman: where do I get wings delivered around here? |
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| 18:24.54 | null | abrotman, I have many zip files in the same directory that will likely have duplicate filenames, therefore I want to extract each to their own directory. How can I do that? |
| 18:25.14 | qmr | null: for i in *.zip ; do mkdir "$i"_FILES ; mv "$i" "$i_FILES" ; unzip "$i_FILES/$i" ; done |
| 18:25.26 | valdyn | scythetleppo: can you read german text? |
| 18:25.31 | null | thanks! |
| 18:25.38 | MangosDebian | null: for k in *.zip; do mkdir $k; unzip x $k;done |
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| 18:26.08 | MangosDebian | null: oops,my bad, do what qmr said, mine wont extract to that dir |
| 18:26.08 | scythetleppo | valdyn: sorry I cant >< |
| 18:26.26 | gpm | what's up with qmr, i missed that whole scene |
| 18:26.27 | null | :) |
| 18:26.32 | Yea10354 | man o man o manm |
| 18:26.40 | scythetleppo | can anyone do me a favor and send me a printscreen of their localhost:631 page? I will be eternally grateful.. |
| 18:26.46 | StrongArm | if you have a very small partition say of 80M, does it make sence to use ext3, wouldnt it be better to use ext2? |
| 18:27.01 | valdyn | StrongArm: nah |
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| 18:27.25 | StrongArm | why would you want to jounal a 80M part |
| 18:27.27 | azeem | xand: for giving bad advise to users |
| 18:27.27 | xlq | Yea10354: from normal mode, :$, v, 0gg |
| 18:27.28 | narcissist | i'm getting complier errors all the time. which compilers do i need to have installed? |
| 18:27.32 | StrongArm | whats the benefit |
| 18:27.38 | gpm | scythetleppo: you mean, something like this: http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/d/dc/Cups12-web-interface.png |
| 18:27.44 | gpm | just google cups interface |
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| 18:27.47 | gpm | browse the images |
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| 18:27.51 | urso_ | hello |
| 18:27.57 | scythetleppo | gpm: thanks a lot! |
| 18:28.03 | MangosDebian | StrongArm: you got a UPS? |
| 18:28.09 | valdyn | StrongArm: my most important text documents are a few kb each, how many of those could fit into such a partition? |
| 18:28.18 | gpm | scythetleppo: this is the actual mainpage: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/custom-guide/figs/printing/cups-config.png |
| 18:28.24 | scythetleppo | gpm: how would I change a printer to be a local printer using that page? |
| 18:28.29 | StrongArm | MangosDebian: no! |
| 18:28.34 | valdyn | StrongArm: beside that, 80m probably isnt that small compared to what ext3 was designed for |
| 18:28.39 | scythetleppo | gpm: the problem I have is: http://rafb.net/p/n5eJIs69.html |
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| 18:28.48 | MangosDebian | StrongArm: then a journal fs is probably a safe thing if your fs gets written to often |
| 18:28.59 | MangosDebian | StrongArm: if it was readonly then it wouldnt matter |
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| 18:29.18 | Yea10354 | wow this is funny |
| 18:29.23 | valdyn | scythetleppo: cups has a simple web interface, use it dammit |
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| 18:29.28 | xlq | Yea10354: even better, go to start of file, enter visual mode, and type G |
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| 18:29.57 | scythetleppo | valdyn: I'M NOT at the computer |
| 18:30.05 | valdyn | scythetleppo: then use it later |
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| 18:30.14 | scythetleppo | ... |
| 18:30.27 | abrotman | hi dan2 |
| 18:30.40 | scythetleppo | it doesn't look easy to me considering it doesn't mention anything about being local or network anywhere on there |
| 18:30.49 | valdyn | scythetleppo: or buy a book about cups, giving support on how to use a gui while that person does not have the gui in front is silly |
| 18:30.52 | abrotman | gpm: ban evasion and bad advice |
| 18:30.54 | scythetleppo | so excuuuuuuuse me if I am trying to verify that it will even work |
| 18:31.25 | scythetleppo | valdyn: you are a cranky person, I don't want support I just was asking if it could do that or not |
| 18:31.27 | mirak | hi |
| 18:31.31 | MangosDebian | abrotman: when was he banned? |
| 18:31.36 | valdyn | scythetleppo: you can |
| 18:31.39 | abrotman | MangosDebian: when he was Quintin |
| 18:31.47 | scythetleppo | valdyn: thanks I'll give it a try! |
| 18:31.48 | Yea10354 | hmm |
| 18:31.50 | mirak | where are stored the sources used to build package ? |
| 18:32.02 | MangosDebian | ah |
| 18:32.04 | Yea10354 | xlq: how do i select all text though ? |
| 18:32.06 | abrotman | mirak: you mean if you get them? like with apt-get source <pkg> ? |
| 18:32.12 | stew | please drop it. if people want to ask about who i banned, please ask me privately and keep it out of the channel |
| 18:32.23 | mirak | abrotman: sorry, wrong channel, I though I was in #gentoo |
| 18:32.37 | abrotman | mirak: uhm .. yeah .. wrong channel :) |
| 18:32.57 | null | MangosDebian, I'm getting a "mv: target `' is not a directory: No such file or directory" error from that script. It makes the directories fine, but doesn't move anything. |
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| 18:33.02 | StrongArm | what about for a large fs say 10GB, I was thinking about converting from reiser to JFS or XFS, ur thougths pls |
| 18:33.06 | xlq | Yea10354: go to the top of the file (the command is :0 ), then enter visual mode (press v), then pres G |
| 18:33.15 | narcissist | i get "setup.rb:655:in `command': system("make") failed (RuntimeError)" when trying to run the setup.rb for ruby-lsapi. am i missing a compiler or something? |
| 18:33.52 | Yea10354 | xlq: it doesnt get the whole file just hwat you see on screen |
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| 18:34.21 | lymeca | Wow that DebConf video of the Hot Coffee meeting was amazingly cool... Sun, Debian, and Red Hat guys talking about the past present and future of a 100% GPLed Java is FASCINATING |
| 18:34.54 | valdyn | StrongArm: ext3 |
| 18:34.58 | MangosDebian | null: i said dont use mine cause i forgot to mv the files to the $k |
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| 18:35.22 | xlq | Yea10354: sorry |
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| 18:35.41 | valdyn | StrongArm: filesystems dont care about the size of the fs, but the number of files and directory structure and size of files |
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| 18:35.49 | null | MangosDebian, I used qmr's. |
| 18:35.57 | xlq | Yea10354: does for me |
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| 18:36.00 | omeres | excuse me , i'm trying to explore this |
| 18:36.17 | xlq | Yea10354: g2g, look at #vim |
| 18:36.25 | MangosDebian | null: ah, i didnt double check his sorry |
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| 18:37.40 | Yea10354 | i have never had more troulbe in my whole life trying to paste a text file |
| 18:37.44 | Yea10354 | or coyy one |
| 18:37.58 | MangosDebian | null: try: for k in *.zip; do mkdir $k_FILES; mv $k $k_FILES; cd $k; unzip -x $k; cd ..;done |
| 18:38.12 | MangosDebian | err sec |
| 18:38.19 | MangosDebian | null: try: for k in *.zip; do mkdir $k_FILES; mv $k $k_FILES; cd $k_FILES; unzip -x $k; cd ..;done |
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| 18:39.50 | nokedo | hi |
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| 18:40.06 | fribian | Hi all |
| 18:40.08 | urso_ | is true that the ubuntu founder is the first african to go to the space? |
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| 18:40.21 | fribian | Anyone using LaTeX under Debian "testing"? |
| 18:40.29 | Madd_Matt | I wouldn't be surprised urso_. |
| 18:40.29 | nokedo | where i config Hylafax to know how many rings wait the server to make a call? |
| 18:40.37 | MangosDebian | null: or optionally to keep files in original location try: for k in *.zip; do mkdir $k_FILES; cd $k_FILES; unzip -x ../$k; cd ..;done |
| 18:40.52 | dondelelcaro | fribian: best to just ask your question. |
| 18:40.55 | nokedo | not to receive. i need know the numbers to wait calling to another fax |
| 18:41.26 | null | MangosDebian, mkdir and mv both give missing operands |
| 18:41.38 | fribian | donaldo: I cannot install tex-live, because of the following nasty error in texlive-common: http://pastebin.com/931198 |
| 18:41.50 | urso_ | Madd_Matt that fun the man is really one suprise lol |
| 18:42.02 | donaldo | fribian, dondelelcaro: nick completion error |
| 18:42.02 | fribian | And since everything depends on texlive-common, that is a big fat "no go" for texlive |
| 18:42.12 | dondelelcaro | fribian: reinstall tex-common |
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| 18:42.31 | omeres | bye |
| 18:42.34 | MangosDebian | null: looks fine to me. you using bash? |
| 18:42.41 | urso_ | why debian dont open they server and join whith ubuntu they work bether together and they can stay independent |
| 18:42.41 | fribian | dondelelcaro: one second ... |
| 18:42.48 | nokedo | or some body know where is a hylafax chanell? :) |
| 18:42.53 | null | Yes |
| 18:42.54 | urso_ | nexenta .... solaris is try to |
| 18:42.57 | null | It looks fine to me too. |
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| 18:43.18 | fribian | dondelelcaro: tex-common is installed and up-to-date. How do I force a reinstall? |
| 18:43.29 | dondelelcaro | fribian: with aptitude reinstall tex-common; |
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| 18:43.40 | fribian | dondelelcaro: ok, one sec ... |
| 18:44.01 | pithen | Anybody know of a simple command line util that will allow the scheduled send of an email? I know I could script something with atd and perl, but why reinvent |
| 18:44.04 | urso_ | like is debian they will be more dependent from debian every distros to |
| 18:44.05 | fribian | dondelelcaro: same problem ... |
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| 18:44.17 | Muisje | For some reason my system refuses to show the euro sign, what can i do? |
| 18:44.23 | Muisje | I had this issue before after install |
| 18:44.25 | dondelelcaro | fribian: give the full output of the run again |
| 18:44.27 | Muisje | Got something to do with locales |
| 18:44.28 | dondelelcaro | pithen: with at |
| 18:44.34 | apt_get | how can I create automaticaly a partition group on a disk /dev/hdc ? |
| 18:44.35 | Muisje | But i forgot how i fixed it back then |
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| 18:44.44 | MangosDebian | null: sorry, add ${k}_FILES |
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| 18:44.54 | fribian | dondelelcaro: one sec, I'll pastebin it. |
| 18:44.55 | dondelelcaro | pithen: the question is usually why you want to send mail at a particular time. |
| 18:45.00 | MangosDebian | null: just put {}'s around each $k_FILES |
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| 18:45.34 | pithen | dondelelcaro, reminders |
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| 18:45.45 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 18:45.58 | sobersabre | I need somebody to see if testing has CONFIG_IA64_HP_ZX1 in kernel enabled. |
| 18:46.00 | dondelelcaro | pithen: well, there are a few scheduling programs that would do that sort of thing, but at is really teh way to go |
| 18:46.02 | MangosDebian | null: for k in *.zip; do mkdir ${k}_FILES; cd ${k}_FILES; unzip -x ../$k; cd ..;done |
| 18:46.21 | sobersabre | can somebody verify this exists in /boot/config-`uname -r` ? |
| 18:46.28 | sobersabre | hnmm |
| 18:46.30 | sobersabre | sorry |
| 18:46.35 | pithen | dondelelcaro, okay...danke |
| 18:46.37 | sobersabre | Is here anybody with ia64 machine ? |
| 18:46.42 | sobersabre | and testing ? |
| 18:46.45 | dondelelcaro | pithen: you'd just do something like at teatime mutt ...; or similar. |
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| 18:47.01 | fribian | dondelelcaro: see here http://pastebin.com/936949 |
| 18:47.25 | fribian | dondelelcaro: It tries to recover getting the same messages, so I stopped pasting after one run. |
| 18:47.36 | freepenguin | hello everybody |
| 18:47.45 | MangosDebian | null: sorry about the confusion, i usually echo all my commands first to catch that kinda suff :) |
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| 18:48.34 | MangosDebian | null: also, im not sure about unzip syntax, might be "unzip -x filename ." for example, buyt im sure you can tweak that to your needs |
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| 18:49.12 | narcissist | if i want to users to own a directory - must i have them in the same group? |
| 18:49.13 | null | MangosDebian, I think the last one works, except it made a directory for each of the words separated by spaces in the filename, and so it can't mv the files since it can't find them. |
| 18:49.41 | MangosDebian | null: ahh, in that case put ""'s around the variables |
| 18:49.48 | Yea10354 | valdyn: you still up |
| 18:49.54 | Yea10354 | Ifinnaly got the copy of the file |
| 18:49.55 | Yea10354 | :P |
| 18:49.56 | Yea10354 | http://phpfi.com/245040 |
| 18:50.06 | dondelelcaro | fribian: yerp; what you need to do is install the version of tex-common from stable, or install the version of texlive-common from unstable. |
| 18:50.06 | null | MangosDebian, I was trying to figure that out. Is it "${k}"? |
| 18:50.12 | MangosDebian | null: most sane people use lowercase names without spaces in nixz :) |
| 18:50.14 | dondelelcaro | fribian: eventually the fixed version will make it into testing |
| 18:50.19 | MangosDebian | null: that should work |
| 18:50.50 | fribian | dondelelcaro: errm. So it is a "debian testing" problem? |
| 18:51.03 | MangosDebian | null: and "${k}_FILES" as well |
| 18:51.14 | null | aha |
| 18:51.23 | null | I had "${k}"_FILES |
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| 18:51.29 | fribian | dondelelcaro: How do I install a single deb from stable without adding the entire stable repository? I don't want to confuse aptitude ... |
| 18:51.50 | MangosDebian | null: that would be probably be fine if none of your files had a space at the end of their filename |
| 18:51.52 | Yea10354 | anyone else want to tell me why i cant mount my root file system .......... http://phpfi.com/245040 heres DMESG |
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| 18:52.53 | freepenguin | excuse me...somebody talk portoguese to translate this page: |
| 18:52.54 | freepenguin | www.freepenguin.it/index-en.html |
| 18:52.54 | freepenguin | On 29th I must present it on my high school's exams and I would like to have the portoguese (or other languages that aren't there) |
| 18:52.54 | freepenguin | if somebody helped me I would be happy. |
| 18:52.54 | freepenguin | thank you |
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| 18:53.05 | null | MangosDebian, how would I word the mv command? mv "${k}" "${k}_FILES" |
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| 18:53.40 | Yea10354 | MangosDebian: wanna take a look at my issue :P i think its simple |
| 18:53.43 | MangosDebian | null: i would honestly not use mv. keep files in original spot |
| 18:54.04 | ab3l | hi, during debian inst. i set 1gb swap partition; but it seems the system isn't using it how do i check? |
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| 18:54.16 | MangosDebian | null: for k in *.zip; do mkdir "${k}_FILES"; cd "${k}_FILES"; unzip -x "../$k"; cd ..;done |
| 18:54.18 | null | aha |
| 18:54.21 | null | makes sense |
| 18:54.35 | Enverex | I'm trying to make a Debian package of an app but it's failing and I can't see why. Does anyone have some time to look at it? |
| 18:54.46 | MangosDebian | null: just use that one, you need on unzip too since you got spaces in your filenames |
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| 18:55.01 | ironfroggy | How do i add the non-free repository? i cant find any good info via google. |
| 18:55.01 | null | yes, I just caught that |
| 18:55.03 | azeem | Enverex: paste the error somewhere, and maybe somebody is interested to look at it |
| 18:55.05 | null | wooo |
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| 18:55.08 | ironfroggy | i need to install mod_fastcgi |
| 18:55.08 | null | it's working! :D |
| 18:55.10 | Enverex | http://rafb.net/p/Dm4VL259.html |
| 18:55.10 | azeem | Enverex: otherwise, try #debian-mentors on irc.d.o |
| 18:55.12 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 18:55.20 | Yea10354 | i really dont understand why it wont mount |
| 18:55.23 | MangosDebian | null: that'll be $1 plz |
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| 18:55.31 | kael_ | hi all |
| 18:55.34 | null | MangosDebian, what's your paypal? |
| 18:55.41 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: what you need now? |
| 18:55.45 | null | :D |
| 18:55.48 | azeem | Enverex: mkdir -p /usr/bin/Cache 2>/dev/null |
| 18:55.49 | kael_ | i'l looking for a lilhelp about what is maybe an usb problem... |
| 18:55.53 | MangosDebian | null: heh ;) |
| 18:55.56 | dondelelcaro | fribian: just add the entire stable repository; it's easier. |
| 18:56.03 | ironfroggy | i can just add 'nonfree' to the end of the lines in sources.list right? |
| 18:56.11 | azeem | Enverex: you're not allowed to create that directory, and piping the error to /dev/null is ... stupid (upstream's being stupid I mean) |
| 18:56.16 | null | MangosDebian, think about it this way. You're helping me unzip 2 gigs of CCNA study guides so I can get a job. Yayz! |
| 18:56.22 | muhoo | gah, how can i get /dev/ttyUSB0 to appear in etch?! |
| 18:56.30 | muhoo | it's gone, when i upgraded from sarge |
| 18:56.32 | Enverex | azeem, hrm, thoughts on how to get around this? |
| 18:56.36 | ab3l | hi, during debian inst. i set 1gb swap partition; but it seems the system isn't using it how do i check? |
| 18:56.39 | muhoo | usbserial mod is loaded |
| 18:56.41 | muhoo | device shows up in lsusb |
| 18:56.47 | muhoo | i hate it when shit changes |
| 18:56.48 | azeem | Enverex: fix upstream's Makefile |
| 18:56.50 | MangosDebian | null: lol, glad to help. i would laugh if one of the lessons covers what we just did though heh |
| 18:56.53 | kael_ | got a problem about usb devices detection, these ones are not seen in lsusb and i've got a dmesg problem |
| 18:57.09 | muhoo | it's a keyspan device |
| 18:57.22 | Enverex | azeem, It's the last bit of the Makefile... |
| 18:57.28 | null | MangosDebian, CCNA = Cisco IOS, routing, etc... I do have a couple gigs of Linux stuff here that I'll go through next :D |
| 18:57.31 | Enverex | install-data-hook: |
| 18:57.31 | Enverex | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.31 | Yea10354 | MangosDebian: Mounting local filesystems . . . failed |
| 18:57.40 | Enverex | Does that actually look like it does anything important? |
| 18:57.48 | MangosDebian | null: ya i know, just joking ;) good luck with your studying though |
| 18:57.53 | ab3l | hi, during debian inst. i set 1gb swap partition; but it seems the system isn't using it how do i check? |
| 18:57.58 | azeem | Enverex: this needs to be "mkdir -p $(DESTDIR)/$(bindir)/Cache I guess |
| 18:58.26 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: ahh, dont know if i can be much help there. i can barely mount my own fs's some days heh |
| 18:58.40 | muhoo | i guess mknod isn't the right thing to use in a udev system |
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| 18:58.42 | muhoo | DIE UDEV DIE! |
| 18:59.04 | MangosDebian | muhoo: you take that back! :) |
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| 18:59.12 | qrck | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.14 | kael_ | seems like some of you got problems with udev and usb ... maybe i could ask for a lil help bout this? i can send my logs |
| 18:59.17 | muhoo | MangosDebian: no :-) |
| 18:59.22 | wols_ | MangosDebian: if in doubt, blame udev |
| 18:59.24 | muhoo | i like the old fashioned way |
| 18:59.51 | muhoo | wols_: when something doesn't work anymore, blame the new, overly-complicated, byzantine, "automatic" way of doing it :-P |
| 18:59.54 | MatBoy | he |
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| 18:59.57 | MatBoy | he |
| 19:00.00 | MatBoy | ops |
| 19:00.01 | MatBoy | :) |
| 19:00.03 | MatBoy | oops |
| 19:00.03 | magicbronson | i remember hacking around a long time ago with a keymap file somewhere to change right alt key to the same as left alt key even in linux console (and of course in X)... can anyone point me to where this is again? |
| 19:00.05 | MatBoy | sorry |
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| 19:00.11 | Enverex | azeem, Seemed to work, thanks |
| 19:00.12 | MangosDebian | muhoo: udev really is nice though. just a pain to learn its file setup when something isnt auto creating :/ |
| 19:00.14 | muhoo | no, seriously, what is the new way |
| 19:00.29 | muhoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.35 | muhoo | so, what to do about it? |
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| 19:00.41 | muhoo | i have an rs-232 usb dongle |
| 19:00.43 | MangosDebian | !comfort muhoo |
| 19:00.43 | dpkg | There, there, muhoo. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:00.45 | muhoo | i have the module loaded |
| 19:00.49 | buchkurish | is 644 a good permision for uploaded things |
| 19:00.51 | azeem | muhoo: which module? |
| 19:00.58 | muhoo | usbserial, IIRC is the right onw |
| 19:01.00 | muhoo | one |
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| 19:01.07 | muhoo | maybe not, but that's what i remember |
| 19:01.19 | muhoo | hm, oh wait, i can look it up and see what it used to load |
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| 19:01.22 | azeem | apparently not |
| 19:01.23 | MangosDebian | muhoo: hmm, something like that i figure would be working 100%, check the syslog's yet? |
| 19:01.40 | muhoo | yep. /var/log/messages shows that the module loads |
| 19:01.59 | muhoo | but, no devices auto-discovered. which IIRC is the way this driver works. you have to add the dev's manually with mknod |
| 19:02.07 | muhoo | maybe it's different now with udev |
| 19:02.09 | h3sp4wn | I thought usbserial was the base module and you load pl2303 or whatever ontop of that |
| 19:02.09 | MangosDebian | muhoo: is it possible its using a differnt dev name than you would expect? |
| 19:02.14 | roxy_ | valdyn: I finally got my prog to compile just using g++ and lot of -I -L and -l. It compiles ok but when I run ldd on the output all the lib are not found. What should I add ? |
| 19:02.36 | azeem | muhoo: if there's no serial usb hardware attached, why should there be a device? |
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| 19:02.47 | roxy_ | valdyn: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/the/lib ? |
| 19:02.55 | muhoo | yes, there is usb serial hardware attached |
| 19:03.00 | h3sp4wn | muhoo: In fact I am sure of that |
| 19:03.25 | muhoo | aha, when it used to work, it did this: |
| 19:03.27 | muhoo | keyspan 2-1:1.0: Keyspan 1 port adapter converter detected |
| 19:04.23 | h3sp4wn | try keyspan_pda.ko |
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| 19:04.46 | muhoo | hmm |
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| 19:05.08 | muhoo | rivers/usb/serial/keyspan_pda.c: USB Keyspan PDA Converter driver v1.1 |
| 19:05.18 | muhoo | but, no device, because this isn't a pda. it's a keyspan serial dongle |
| 19:05.29 | muhoo | the driver, IIRC was just called keyspan.ko |
| 19:05.39 | muhoo | but it appears not to be present in etch. |
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| 19:05.42 | h3sp4wn | either way if you look in usbserial.c there is no actual driver in that |
| 19:06.00 | h3sp4wn | usb-serial.c |
| 19:06.06 | jchillerup | Is there a way to install just ONE package from the unstable tree? I've run into this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=322448 . My apt source is stable, so I guess I have to install 1.33-1 from unstable, am I right? |
| 19:06.19 | muhoo | wow |
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| 19:06.34 | muhoo | the driver i need appears not to be in the kernel at all |
| 19:06.41 | MangosDebian | jchillerup: you can try pinning, but that doesnt always work out as planned |
| 19:06.47 | jchillerup | hm |
| 19:06.51 | jchillerup | It's just an apache moduler |
| 19:06.53 | jchillerup | -r |
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| 19:07.01 | jchillerup | Or, rather, a perl module used with apache |
| 19:07.01 | muhoo | no such thing as CONFIG_KEYSPAN, other than the pda and remote |
| 19:07.13 | jchillerup | MangosDebian, how do I "pin" then |
| 19:07.14 | MangosDebian | jchillerup: sometimes the deps on a package are insanely strict though |
| 19:07.23 | MangosDebian | !tell jchillerup about pinning |
| 19:07.24 | jchillerup | ok |
| 19:07.44 | jchillerup | thanks |
| 19:07.47 | MangosDebian | np |
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| 19:09.26 | avtobiff | i tried using testing and pinning some package from sid some time ago and it was utterly impossible for me to fix it. it wanted to upgrade everything to sid. (and i thought i said "use testing" and "pin package to sid") |
| 19:09.32 | muhoo | h3sp4wn: yeah, usb-serial is loaded, but it is not finding this device |
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| 19:09.40 | muhoo | yet, the device is definitely loaded, as per lsusb |
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| 19:09.57 | Ind[y] | My wireless card is turned off (its "radio" is turned off) as hardware. How can I enable it? (reboot doesn't fix this. it is _hardware_ specific) |
| 19:10.02 | muhoo | Bus 002 Device 002: ID 06cd:0121 Keyspan |
| 19:10.03 | h3sp4wn | muhoo: There is no driver |
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| 19:10.11 | Gryfelhase | I have a probloem with a usb-wlandstick on debian etch (i got it to work under debian sarge, on my laptop and my pc). But on etch, I can't compile the driver anymore on tghe same laptop. |
| 19:10.16 | muhoo | h3sp4wn: what do you mean, no driver loaded? |
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| 19:10.22 | h3sp4wn | muhoo: In the kernel at all |
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| 19:10.26 | muhoo | WHAT!???! |
| 19:10.32 | muhoo | who took it out? why? gah! |
| 19:10.40 | h3sp4wn | muhoo: at least in the 2.6.18 |
| 19:10.43 | wols_ | !tell Gryfelhase about errors |
| 19:10.47 | h3sp4wn | muhoo: http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.6/21/drivers/usb/serial/keyspan.c |
| 19:10.53 | muhoo | it used to be there |
| 19:10.56 | h3sp4wn | muhoo: (looks like it was re added though)( |
| 19:10.58 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 19:11.00 | MangosDebian | muhoo: ever compiled a kernel before? :) |
| 19:11.01 | muhoo | fucking a |
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| 19:11.05 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 19:11.24 | muhoo | so, wait a minute |
| 19:11.31 | muhoo | someone decided to remove the driver from the kernel, completely? |
| 19:11.44 | sobersabre | does anyone in here use ia64 machine with Debian ? |
| 19:11.48 | muhoo | and then add it back in, later, in a version i don't have, because i'm using the stock debian etch kernel? |
| 19:12.18 | h3sp4wn | muhoo: Don't know - I think it was dropped - people complained and then it was fixed and readded dunno |
| 19:12.27 | h3sp4wn | muhoo: read the linux-usb mailing list archives about it |
| 19:12.29 | MangosDebian | muhoo: dont worry, all this bulls&$* is very well orchistrated :) |
| 19:12.41 | muhoo | grr. yeah, this is seriously fucked up. |
| 19:12.50 | muhoo | h3sp4wn: well thanks for pointing me in the right direction |
| 19:12.51 | wols_ | !ia64 |
| 19:12.51 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
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| 19:13.02 | wols_ | damn. no channel for them |
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| 19:13.21 | MangosDebian | muhoo: we cant have linux working better and easier than windows now can we? :) |
| 19:13.38 | kael_ | could someone tell me something about these error messages ? http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=129674 |
| 19:13.53 | muhoo | so it sounds like i need to grab source for 2.6.21, build kernel package, and enable the keyspan then |
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| 19:14.08 | EvilGuru | I have been meaning to ask about this for a few days now: sometime last week I noticed that my terminal history for root had gone (so when I pressed up I did not see previous commands), what could have caused this |
| 19:14.17 | Gryfelhase | Woll: Sorry, but I damaged the etch installation, I just want to ask, if udev may be a reason, that I can't compile the driver and the delivered driver of etch (zd1211) wants now a firmware-file (that id didn't want it before, whenn using the source on the fiberlin-cdrom) |
| 19:14.19 | MangosDebian | muhoo: sounds like it. not as hard as you think though. just use your existing .config from /boot |
| 19:14.23 | h3sp4wn | muhoo: that would work |
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| 19:15.17 | MangosDebian | EvilGuru: someone ran history -c or erased the ~/.bash_history file |
| 19:15.25 | sobersabre | wols_: thanks for the "help" |
| 19:15.43 | EvilGuru | MangosDebian: I am the only user and I do not recall doing it (could it have been a package update) |
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| 19:15.51 | muhoo | so it looks like it was in 2.6.16, then got removed, for reasons completely uknown, then got patched back in again in 2.6.21 |
| 19:15.56 | sobersabre | at a time I remember their ml used to expose email addresses, so I didn't want to subscribe to it. |
| 19:16.00 | MangosDebian | EvilGuru: no packages should be touching that file |
| 19:16.13 | MangosDebian | EvilGuru: ls -l ~/.bash_history |
| 19:16.22 | wols_ | sobersabre: download the the kernel. dpkg -x it. check the config |
| 19:16.28 | MangosDebian | EvilGuru: is it a file? or a symlink to /dev/null? |
| 19:16.36 | wols_ | sobersabre: if you areunable to do it you shouldn't run testing |
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| 19:16.46 | wols_ | sobersabre: or own suhc expensive hardware |
| 19:16.49 | EvilGuru | MangosDebian: This was a week or so ago, now my history is populated with what I have run between then and now |
| 19:16.59 | wols_ | sobersabre: and now fuck off |
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| 19:17.05 | sobersabre | wols_: I have this hardware. |
| 19:17.14 | sobersabre | And the kernel doesn't support it. |
| 19:17.18 | wols_ | sobersabre: yes. but you don't deserve it cause you lack the clue |
| 19:17.36 | sobersabre | I did play with dpkg -x and found no option I needed. |
| 19:17.42 | wols_ | but then itanic is nothing to be proud of either |
| 19:17.45 | MangosDebian | EvilGuru: well, there may be built in size limits in bash, but i dont know of such a thing. the man page would be the place to check. man bash then /history |
| 19:17.46 | sobersabre | and fuck off yourself :) |
| 19:17.52 | dromer | stew: hey, back with teh chroot :D |
| 19:17.55 | muhoo | http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=3211 |
| 19:17.56 | muhoo | hah |
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| 19:18.04 | sobersabre | I hoped to talk to someone updated. |
| 19:18.07 | muhoo | yeah, in 2005 it worked perfectly :-) |
| 19:18.08 | MangosDebian | sobersabre: language! |
| 19:18.16 | sobersabre | MangosDebian: tell that to wols_ too. |
| 19:18.18 | EvilGuru | MangosDebian: I know there are limits, but it normally auto-removes the oldest |
| 19:18.40 | wols_ | sobersabre: so you alread have checked the lenny kernel and didn't find what you needed? if so, why are you still asking? |
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| 19:18.55 | sobersabre | wols_: checked it months ago. |
| 19:19.00 | sobersabre | maybe something has changed. |
| 19:19.05 | wols_ | MangosDebian: we are not in motherfucking #ubuntu here |
| 19:19.15 | wols_ | sobersabre: then what makes you unable to check it again? |
| 19:19.24 | MangosDebian | EvilGuru: who knows then. thats where backups an things like tripwire come in handy :) |
| 19:19.29 | wols_ | sobersabre: again: why can't you check? |
| 19:19.41 | sobersabre | wols_: :) you need to have more sex. don't be so irritated, man. ( or woman, whatever) |
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| 19:19.53 | wols_ | them time you spend askingin here, whining with me you could have done it thrice over |
| 19:20.07 | MangosDebian | wols_: perhaps not, but thats no reason for us to trow our manners out the window :) |
| 19:20.10 | sobersabre | wols_: am I whining ? :) |
| 19:20.34 | sobersabre | MangosDebian: I prefer usefull curse over useless manners talk. |
| 19:20.36 | wols_ | can't say. I hear a whine somerher in this below my windows. I guess it must be you |
| 19:20.37 | muhoo | !fuck ubuntu |
| 19:20.42 | azeem | muhoo: stop that |
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| 19:20.54 | sobersabre | wols_: :) |
| 19:20.56 | sobersabre | it's not me. |
| 19:21.06 | muhoo | heh |
| 19:21.08 | EvilGuru | So it is unlikely that my system has been compromised (I have found nothing else to indicate this) |
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| 19:21.12 | sobersabre | it's your imagination. I was trying to catch somebody from ia64. |
| 19:21.13 | MangosDebian | sobersabre: thats your choice, but dont be surprised when you two get slapped with a +b :) |
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| 19:21.42 | wols_ | MangosDebian: not long ago someone called an op in here asshat. he didn't get banned for it |
| 19:21.52 | MangosDebian | EvilGuru: perhaps next time you should chattr +a it |
| 19:22.04 | sobersabre | MangosDebian: there's content and there's presentation. do you know how to separate ? |
| 19:22.07 | muhoo | #debian used to be like a continual bar-brawl, years ago |
| 19:22.08 | sobersabre | :) |
| 19:22.10 | MangosDebian | wols_: theres always a first :) |
| 19:22.19 | muhoo | and have a look at some of the stuff in dpkg bot... man |
| 19:22.22 | Ronin | wols_: they should have as they were avoiding a ban at the time when they did that :) |
| 19:22.34 | sobersabre | muhoo: any decent IRC community used to be like that. even 5 years ago. |
| 19:22.40 | xlq | is dpkg a bot? |
| 19:22.42 | wols_ | Ronin: yes. but he didn't for get banned for calling him that :) |
| 19:22.50 | sobersabre | xlq: dpkg is a packaging system. |
| 19:22.50 | wols_ | xlq: just like the pope is catholic |
| 19:22.51 | Yea10354 | where would the actual error for a file system failing to mount be located ? |
| 19:22.52 | sobersabre | :) |
| 19:22.54 | muhoo | !dpkg |
| 19:22.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
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| 19:23.08 | muhoo | so, yes, dpkg is a bot. he just told you so :-) |
| 19:23.10 | MangosDebian | xlq: yes the dpkg in the channel is |
| 19:23.11 | wols_ | Yea10354: syslog1 perhaps. don't you get a prompt? |
| 19:23.13 | stew | foul language is fine in here as long as it isn't overused or used in order to directly offend someone. it obviously offends MangosDebian so please show him courtesy |
| 19:23.29 | xlq | I mean the nick dpkg not the program dpkg, lol |
| 19:23.34 | wols_ | MangosDebian: you are a fine asshat gentleman ;) |
| 19:23.39 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 19:23.43 | MangosDebian | stew: thanks :p |
| 19:23.47 | muhoo | !fluff wols_ |
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| 19:23.51 | muhoo | see? |
| 19:23.58 | wols_ | dpkg: but I want release too! |
| 19:24.03 | azeem | muhoo: that doesn't mean you should use it |
| 19:24.03 | stew | can we please move on to somthing more productuve |
| 19:24.04 | wols_ | any women in here? |
| 19:24.04 | Yea10354 | wols_: this is what my datacenter told me |
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| 19:24.08 | karsten | !be a wols_ barbie |
| 19:24.09 | dpkg | Aww, wols_ is HARD! Let's go shopping, karsten |
| 19:24.09 | muhoo | stew: fair enough. |
| 19:24.13 | sobersabre | ) |
| 19:24.16 | Yea10354 | wols_: i have access to the drive |
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| 19:24.28 | wols_ | Yea10354: do you have a prompt on the machine? |
| 19:24.38 | Yea10354 | wols_: but as yesterday i am using a network booteddistro on the server so the HD is free to use for w/e |
| 19:24.41 | MangosDebian | Yea10354: /var/log/syslog usually has good info on problems |
| 19:24.47 | helo | does "/m dpkg find filename" search using sid? |
| 19:24.57 | muhoo | well i have to admit that staying on-topic and avoiding the continual bar-brawl does make it easier to get things done, so, yay progress. |
| 19:25.03 | wols_ | helo: yes. find <file> etch looks for etch |
| 19:25.06 | sobersabre | hmm.. is "irc.debian.org" iside freenode network ? |
| 19:25.10 | helo | ty |
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| 19:25.14 | sobersabre | s/iside/inside/ |
| 19:25.16 | wols_ | sobersabre: no |
| 19:25.20 | stew | sobersabre: no, run "host irc.debian.org" |
| 19:25.22 | sobersabre | wols_: thanks. |
| 19:25.24 | wols_ | sobersabre: it once was tho |
| 19:25.47 | wols_ | karsten: while you're at it, can you look for "Pony"? |
| 19:25.54 | karsten | wols_: OMG! |
| 19:25.57 | Yea10354 | http://phpfi.com/245052 |
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| 19:26.03 | sobersabre | stew: freenode is not necessarily in sync with DNS. I mean... it is possible to have a freenode server with not a freenode.net hostname. |
| 19:26.05 | Yea10354 | thjeres the sys log |
| 19:26.13 | sobersabre | stew: Am I missing something ? |
| 19:26.18 | azeem | sobersabre: yes |
| 19:26.23 | sobersabre | azeem: what ? |
| 19:26.30 | Yea10354 | i am getting the cannot mount file system error |
| 19:26.33 | sobersabre | you mean there must be at least DNS alias ? |
| 19:26.34 | azeem | the "irc.oftc.net" when you do host irc.debian.org |
| 19:26.36 | xerophyte | can you install 32bit os on 64bit AMD server, because i have to install a custom compiled application which only runs on the 32bit .. |
| 19:26.38 | karsten | sobersabre: irc.debian.org used to be CNAMEd to freenode. |
| 19:26.44 | wols_ | xerophyte: yes |
| 19:26.45 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i installed apache2 and libapache2-mod-php4 and when i connect using the browser, it offers phtml for download. i did restart apache. should have to add an extra Addhandler for phtml ? |
| 19:26.45 | karsten | xerophyte: Yes. |
| 19:26.47 | sobersabre | karsten: ok. |
| 19:26.49 | sobersabre | thanks. |
| 19:26.55 | wols_ | xerophyte: you can also run 32bit software on amd64 |
| 19:27.09 | xerophyte | wols_, karsten thanks |
| 19:27.10 | wols_ | thelostbutler: apparently |
| 19:27.12 | karsten | thelostbutler: You should have a php.conf somewhere under /etc/apache/ |
| 19:27.28 | MangosDebian | thelostbutler: i dont think .phtml is a default file, so ya prolly |
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| 19:28.03 | karsten | thelostbutler: #apache. |
| 19:28.10 | thelostbutler | karsten: yes i have one in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled there a php4.conf file which has AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3 which is why i am confused |
| 19:28.14 | karsten | thelostbutler: .. and Jeeves, is it really you? |
| 19:28.31 | karsten | thelostbutler: apachectl configtest / apachectl reload |
| 19:28.39 | thelostbutler | karsten: yes; it is me. they retired me. the mofos |
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| 19:29.36 | Muisje | Eurosign is not outputting, locale: en_US.UTF-8, debian etch 4.0, any suggestions? |
| 19:29.43 | thelostbutler | karsten: config test came up okay. will run to #apache too thanks a bug |
| 19:29.45 | thelostbutler | **lot |
| 19:30.00 | Yea10354 | any help here guys :D i think this is my last problem |
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| 19:31.26 | thelostbutler | MangosDebian: i tried adding phtml to the list of index files and it did not work |
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| 19:32.20 | smacnay | Is there a way to install tetex on testing? There is a bug right now but I am wondering if there is a work-around. |
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| 19:32.45 | stew | smacnay: did you find the bug in the bts? if there was a workaround, that would be the likely palce to find it |
| 19:33.10 | MangosDebian | thelostbutler: you need an AddHandler as well i believe |
| 19:33.13 | dromer | hi all, I debootstrapped Sarge to a disk on usb and trying to install a kernel, but I get: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: Cannot determine root device |
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| 19:33.44 | karsten | thelostbutler: #apache is a support channel here. |
| 19:34.13 | gpm | well, not *here* |
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| 19:34.24 | gpm | for certain values of 'here' |
| 19:34.38 | mastroDani | hi there, i've readed that opengl manpages are not distributed as package because of some problem with licence.. i don't care .. i need that.. can you tell me where i can find those man pages and how to install them manually? |
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| 19:35.26 | buben | hello. Does somebody know what is: fatal: modpost: gpl - incompatible module fglrx.ko |
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| 19:36.03 | smacnay | stew: yes, I foundthe bug but there was not work-around posted. Thanks - I will keep checking there. |
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| 19:37.08 | karsten | In octal perms how would you represent sticky, user rwx, group rx, other -? 1750 ? |
| 19:37.30 | gpm | !info xlibmesa-gl-dev etch |
| 19:37.34 | dpkg | xlibmesa-gl-dev: (transitional package for Debian etch), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1:7.1.0-16 (etch), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
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| 19:37.38 | MangosDebian | karsten: think so |
| 19:37.47 | karsten | erm, s/sticky/suid/ |
| 19:38.04 | MangosDebian | karsten: oh, then its 4750 |
| 19:38.12 | stew | smacnay: what exactly happens when you try to install it? |
| 19:38.25 | gpm | mastroDani: or, actually libgl1-mesa-dev |
| 19:38.26 | MangosDebian | 4 = suid, 2 = sgid, 1 = sticky iirc |
| 19:38.34 | karsten | Basically I've got a third-party VPN client installed root:root SUID 755 which I want root:adm 4750 (assuming 4=SUID). |
| 19:39.00 | gpm | nm |
| 19:39.24 | MangosDebian | karsten: if you want suid 755, then 4755 |
| 19:39.27 | brainsail | I start pppd on two computers connected with a null modem cable, then pppd logs that it's started but there's no ppp interface, no connection, what could be wrong? the serial connection is working with minicom and getty |
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| 19:40.01 | karsten | MangosDebian: 4750, but yeah. |
| 19:40.18 | MangosDebian | karsten: ya sorry, seen what you said, didnt feel need to clutter channel again heh |
| 19:40.21 | buben | how could i install latest fglrx driver? |
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| 19:40.46 | dromer | can someone help me install a sarge kernel on a chrooted drive? |
| 19:40.49 | wols_ | !fglrx | buben |
| 19:40.50 | gpm | mastroDani: you can dl them here: ftp://ftp.sgi.com/sgi/opengl/doc/ |
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| 19:40.59 | frankr | how do I cron something to occur every fifteen minutes? /15 * * * * cmd ? |
| 19:41.04 | frankr | something like that I thought |
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| 19:41.12 | gpm | wols_: whoa, nice piping, didn't know that was possible |
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| 19:41.41 | MangosDebian | frankr: would be 0/15 i think for some reason |
| 19:41.45 | buben | !fglrx |
| 19:41.45 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
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| 19:41.51 | TheBonsai | m00. might be a dumb question, i googled a bit, but i can't find useful hints: java plugin for iceweasel - where is it? (installed the kaffe JVM) |
| 19:41.53 | frankr | oh, alright, thanks |
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| 19:42.33 | gpm | TheBonsai: well, if you want the official sun plugin (non-free), install sun-java6-plugin |
| 19:42.43 | dob1 | hi, i get this warning when i use apt-get update on etch W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems , it's a problem of the repository? i have the key, it worked the last 2 day i used that command |
| 19:42.55 | frankr | dob1, your system clock time is set wrong |
| 19:43.05 | frankr | dob1, use date MMDDhhmmyy to set |
| 19:43.06 | frankr | I'm pretty sure |
| 19:43.09 | frankr | that might be wrong |
| 19:43.12 | gpm | yes |
| 19:43.25 | dob1 | frankr: where? |
| 19:43.36 | frankr | dob1, in a terminal |
| 19:43.41 | dob1 | date is ok |
| 19:43.48 | gpm | apt-get update |
| 19:43.52 | stew | dob1: try a different mirror |
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| 19:44.05 | frankr | I had this same problem yesterday and it was b/c my system clock was set wrong |
| 19:44.06 | urso_ | hello |
| 19:44.14 | frankr | dob1, ^^ |
| 19:44.22 | dob1 | frankr: what do you mean with set wrong ? wrong time? |
| 19:44.23 | TheBonsai | gpm: well, i have no problems with "free", i just miss the lib*.so plugin for the mozillas somehow. obvisually there's something i don't know about java/plugins/mozilla/debian :) |
| 19:44.37 | frankr | dob1, yeah, it was set to like october 2005 or osmething.. it was a new system |
| 19:44.46 | dob1 | frankr: no, mine is ok |
| 19:45.45 | MangosDebian | frankr: dob1 time looks fine to me |
| 19:45.52 | MangosDebian | dob1: sorry for the ctcp |
| 19:46.01 | dob1 | no problem :) |
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| 19:46.15 | urso_ | urggg i find why the ati not compile :x there are one bug whith kernel |
| 19:46.19 | Muisje | How do i get eurosign support on debian etch 4? |
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| 19:47.15 | dob1 | with another mirror seems ok |
| 19:47.39 | gpm | TheBonsai: you could dpkg -L whatever java you have now and see if there's a plugin for you to use. in my experience, though, the sun java is the most reliable for web browsing since it's what everyone else is using |
| 19:47.49 | mastroDani | gpm: tnx.. i've already have those packages.. but they are not usefull :) i will download from the ftp.. do you know where i can put that after i've downloade them? |
| 19:47.58 | Muisje | Could people please answer my question? I've asked it about 40 times now, and 40 different moments and not once anyone had the curtousy to respond >_> |
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| 19:48.04 | mastroDani | uh.. only opengl 1.2 ? not 2.0? |
| 19:48.18 | Enverex | 2.0 is old too |
| 19:48.25 | dondelelcaro | mastroDani: etch already has support for the euro |
| 19:48.33 | dondelelcaro | s/mastroDani/Muisje/ |
| 19:48.42 | Muisje | dondelelcaro apparently not... |
| 19:48.48 | Muisje | It's not showing... atleast |
| 19:48.54 | gpm | mastroDani: iono, i just googled around. |
| 19:49.04 | Muisje | using locale en_US.utf- |
| 19:49.05 | Muisje | 8 |
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| 19:49.33 | dondelelcaro | â‚ <-- euro. |
| 19:49.35 | MangosDebian | someone spit out a euro for him |
| 19:49.37 | MangosDebian | nm |
| 19:49.50 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: hmm, not showing up for me dondelelcaro |
| 19:49.50 | dondelelcaro | Muisje: then you're using a font that doesn't have that glyph; happens all the time. |
| 19:49.50 | Enverex | dondelelcaro, That's not the euro symbol |
| 19:49.51 | gpm | one shouldn't have euros in one's mouth |
| 19:49.58 | karsten | Hck-ptuie! |
| 19:50.13 | gpm | eeeeew |
| 19:50.21 | TheBonsai | gpm: okay, just accessing the non-free rep. thx so far |
| 19:50.26 | Enverex | € <- Euro |
| 19:50.30 | MangosDebian | thats it |
| 19:50.33 | gpm | TheBonsai: you're welcome...so far. |
| 19:50.35 | gpm | o/o all |
| 19:50.37 | gpm | burrito time |
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| 19:50.55 | Muisje | dondelelcaro how to fix? |
| 19:51.32 | dondelelcaro | Muisje: switch to a font or font series that has that glphy. |
| 19:51.37 | Muisje | how? |
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| 19:51.47 | dondelelcaro | Muisje: depends on what console you're using or what program you're talkinga bout. |
| 19:51.58 | Muisje | putty? |
| 19:52.12 | Muisje | and i'm talking about apache/proftpd anything |
| 19:52.21 | Muisje | The system doesn't read the euro sign |
| 19:52.34 | Enverex | Muisje, Did you see mine? |
| 19:52.43 | Muisje | it's a weird i with 2 dots on it, followed by a ¿ and ½ |
| 19:52.54 | Muisje | yes Enverex, but i'm not on server >_> |
| 19:53.01 | Muisje | i'm on windblows... |
| 19:53.02 | Enverex | Muisje, Ah |
| 19:53.02 | MangosDebian | Muisje: putty doesnt display euro for me either, but it does on console just fine |
| 19:53.15 | dondelelcaro | €; sorry, that's the euro; was showing the european currency symbol. |
| 19:53.19 | Enverex | Putty uses some very basic system type font doesn't it |
| 19:53.27 | Muisje | ITS not PUTTY |
| 19:53.31 | Enverex | dondelelcaro, It's ok, I corrected you earlier :P |
| 19:53.39 | Muisje | Its the system not being able to read the euro char correctly... |
| 19:53.41 | Enverex | Muisje, I was responding to MangosDebian |
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| 19:54.06 | dondelelcaro | Muisje: reading the euro character is trivial. It has everything to do with the font displaying the glyph. |
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| 19:54.31 | dondelelcaro | Muisje: if ü shows up properly, then your system is handling UTF8 correctly. |
| 19:54.39 | Enverex | Depends, dont the apps need to be UTF-8 or using the en_GB locale for it to work? |
| 19:54.47 | chuck | Hi, I just installed tcl8.4, and I'm wondering how can I find/install tcl.h? |
| 19:54.51 | Muisje | >_> |
| 19:55.36 | dondelelcaro | Enverex: most normally used applications now are UTF8 aware |
| 19:55.47 | Enverex | dondelelcaro, True but Etch is old |
| 19:55.49 | dondelelcaro | (there are some exceptions, but they're becomming fewer and fewer) |
| 19:55.59 | dondelelcaro | Enverex: not hardly |
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| 19:56.07 | Enverex | Maybe have the packages compiled without support for it... |
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| 19:56.37 | dondelelcaro | It's just over 3 months old; we've known about how to do UTF8 properly for years |
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| 19:57.41 | dondelelcaro | Muisje: in any event, if you're still having problems with it, you're going to have to give us more information about exactly what you're using to see the euro, including the console, the applications involved, your locale, etc. |
| 19:58.14 | muhoo | aha |
| 19:58.21 | muhoo | i figured out why the keyspans were removed from the kernel |
| 19:58.25 | muhoo | they included proprietary firmware |
| 19:58.34 | Enverex | "keyspans"? |
| 19:58.41 | muhoo | usb serial adapter |
| 19:58.46 | Enverex | Ah |
| 19:58.46 | muhoo | keyspan |
| 19:58.58 | muhoo | it's possible that debian removed them, for being 'non-free' |
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| 19:59.03 | Muisje | i did dondelelcaro |
| 19:59.04 | muhoo | and they've been in mainstream kernels all along |
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| 19:59.21 | dondelelcaro | Muisje: if you had, I wouldn't be asking for it... |
| 19:59.37 | Muisje | it involves ANY application, locale = en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 19:59.58 | dondelelcaro | Muisje: displayed where? |
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| 20:00.15 | skyde | some one know backuppc |
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| 20:01.38 | Muisje | anywhere, by httpd, putty, onscreen |
| 20:02.05 | stew | Muisje: what do you mean "by httpd"? is there a webpage? |
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| 20:02.24 | Muisje | yes |
| 20:02.28 | stew | Muisje: what is the url? |
| 20:02.34 | dondelelcaro | Muisje: are you running an X server on that machine? Does it display incorrectly if you type compose C =; ? |
| 20:02.34 | Muisje | Anyway, i'm going to do all locales |
| 20:02.38 | Muisje | and see if thats usefull |
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| 20:02.46 | dondelelcaro | Muisje: building other locales has nothing to do with it |
| 20:02.47 | Muisje | NO xserver... NO GUI... |
| 20:02.54 | Enverex | Muisje, Show us one of the pages with the euro not working |
| 20:03.05 | dondelelcaro | Muisje: so you're using putty on a windows box to ssh to this machine and the euro isn't displaying properly? |
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| 20:03.28 | Muisje | Nevermind, i'll try to figure it out on my own, this isn't getting me anywhere. |
| 20:03.46 | dondelelcaro | best of luck, then. |
| 20:03.46 | spheard | does anyone use traceroute a lot? |
| 20:03.53 | dondelelcaro | spheard: best to just ask your question |
| 20:04.26 | stew | Muisje: it's impossible to help, since you aren't giving us any specifics. if you have a webpage that you think should be displaying a euro and isn't, it would probably be easy for us to diagnose if you just gave us the URL |
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| 20:04.32 | techbee1 | hi all , package name to use mouse in console |
| 20:04.58 | dondelelcaro | techbee1: gpm |
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| 20:05.25 | spheard | what does * * * mean? |
| 20:05.26 | hark | Muisje: for putty, make sure you've got it set as utf8 (under Translation iirc) |
| 20:05.33 | spheard | (on traceroute) |
| 20:05.34 | Muisje | http://www.criminalsworld.nl/eurosign.html |
| 20:05.47 | techbee1 | dondelelcaro:thanks :) |
| 20:06.09 | xerophyte | how do i manually run the log rotate program |
| 20:06.11 | xerophyte | ? |
| 20:06.28 | Enverex | Muisje, Remove "<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />" from the page |
| 20:06.44 | Muisje | Done that |
| 20:06.46 | Muisje | no difference |
| 20:07.05 | stew | its not iso-8859-1 its 8859-15 |
| 20:07.09 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: with logrotate /foo/bar/baz |
| 20:07.12 | Muisje | I KNOW |
| 20:07.18 | Enverex | I see what you mean, if I save it to my desktop it works |
| 20:07.25 | Enverex | That's weird |
| 20:07.30 | Muisje | Finally? |
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| 20:07.39 | rahul | your server is sending a charset |
| 20:07.42 | rahul | fix it |
| 20:07.46 | Muisje | ? |
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| 20:08.32 | rahul | it's sending utf-8 |
| 20:08.36 | rahul | Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 |
| 20:08.37 | dondelelcaro | that document is in ISO-8859-1, not UTF-8, but your server says Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 |
| 20:08.53 | Muisje | >_> |
| 20:09.17 | Muisje | Refresh for god sake dondelelcaro / rahul |
| 20:09.22 | rahul | uh |
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| 20:09.30 | rahul | Muisje: there's nothing to refresh |
| 20:09.37 | rahul | Muisje: telnet has no refresh optoin |
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| 20:09.54 | buchkurish | who can help me with al il vsftpd umask situation? |
| 20:09.56 | ErichK | Is there a program that can convert .mov to another movie file type? |
| 20:09.58 | dondelelcaro | Muisje: we're looking at what the server is actually sending, not using a browser. |
| 20:10.00 | Enverex | rahul, He's referring to the webpage |
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| 20:10.17 | buchkurish | i cant seem to figure out.. vsftpd uplaods as '600' i need to set umask to something inorder for vsftpd to upload '644' ..anyone ? |
| 20:10.18 | dondelelcaro | ErichK: mencoder can |
| 20:10.19 | Enverex | The document doesn't specify a charset now |
| 20:10.29 | dondelelcaro | Enverex: the document doesn't, but the server does. |
| 20:10.36 | rahul | Enverex: then he needs to learn how to read what I told him |
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| 20:10.57 | massctrl | are here any squid experienced ppl? #squid is sleepy |
| 20:11.12 | dondelelcaro | !tell massctrl -about ask |
| 20:11.17 | rahul | the problem has NOTHING to do with what's in the HTML file |
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| 20:11.37 | buchkurish | anyone??? |
| 20:12.16 | buchkurish | what do i set my 'umask' if files that are uploaded are permision of '600' (vsftpd) |
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| 20:12.51 | massctrl | dondelelcaro: I'm wondering if it's possible with squid to provide the requested webpage of a client embedded into a html page with is stored on the squid box. This would result for example, every page a user requests gets displayed into a webpage with a logo on the top... |
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| 20:13.13 | peterS | buchkurish: mode 600 is normally equivalent to umask 077 |
| 20:13.20 | massctrl | dondelelcaro: don't know if I express myself clearly :-/ |
| 20:13.22 | buchkurish | mm oki |
| 20:13.35 | buchkurish | peterS: how does that work :( 077 600 .. i dont get |
| 20:13.39 | dondelelcaro | massctrl: there are ways of doing that, but it tends to be kind of ugly |
| 20:13.41 | buchkurish | what if i wanted to upload with perm of 777 |
| 20:13.54 | dondelelcaro | massctrl: I'm not familiar enough with the internals of squid to tell you exactly how to do it, though. |
| 20:14.04 | peterS | buchkurish: I don't think ftp servers let you set the execute bit of an uploaded file |
| 20:14.12 | massctrl | dondelelcaro: ugly in terms of moral or technique? |
| 20:14.21 | dondelelcaro | massctrl: all of the above. |
| 20:14.40 | dondelelcaro | massctrl: you're liable to break some sites, and it won't be absolute. |
| 20:15.50 | ErichK | dondelelcaro: How would I start it? |
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| 20:17.53 | wireddd | I am trying to get xfce4 to load inside of xnest but xfce-session complains that a session manager is already running. do I need to do it as a different user or something? |
| 20:18.25 | buchkurish | peterS: ok |
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| 20:18.33 | buchkurish | peterS: large 10/4 sorry it took a bit to answer |
| 20:19.17 | buchkurish | peterS: u are correct it is 077.. not that i doubted =))) |
| 20:19.28 | buchkurish | peterS: but how did u get 644 out of 0600 and suamsk of 077 |
| 20:19.31 | buchkurish | umask** |
| 20:19.35 | wireddd | this is what I was trying: export DISPLAY=:0 && Xnest -ac :3 -geometry 800x600 & export DISPLAY=:3 && xfce4-session --display=:3 |
| 20:19.47 | stew | Muisje: your server says that file should be UTF-8, but that file doesn't contain a utf-8 euro sign, it contains a euro sign encoded in cp-1252 which is the microsoft default charset |
| 20:19.49 | peterS | buchkurish: note that 177 would work too - if that fits your logic better. but the 111 part isn't really needed if the execute bit is never set anyway |
| 20:20.27 | Muisje | And |
| 20:20.34 | Muisje | What can i do against that? |
| 20:20.54 | Muisje | Its just retarded, it worked before |
| 20:21.21 | stew | Muisje: put a utf-8 euro sign in there |
| 20:22.15 | Muisje | Mmmz |
| 20:22.15 | buchkurish | peterS: im trying to digest what u just told me hehe |
| 20:22.23 | Muisje | i'm looking at my old server's locale.gen |
| 20:22.29 | buchkurish | peterS: 177 would work too to get perm of 0644?? |
| 20:22.34 | Muisje | and it has en_US ISO-8859-1 |
| 20:22.49 | peterS | buchkurish: no, that would get 0600. if you want 0644, use either 022 or 133 |
| 20:22.59 | Muisje | Crazy enough, it worked with that config |
| 20:23.10 | buchkurish | oh ok |
| 20:23.19 | buchkurish | peterS: so i can use 111 .. form octal |
| 20:23.24 | Muisje | So if all locales aren't going to fix the problem i'm going to try that |
| 20:23.37 | buchkurish | peterS: adding 133 to 644 would get me 777 |
| 20:24.12 | buchkurish | peterS: oh no.. im screwey now haha |
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| 20:24.27 | peterS | buchkurish: well, it's not straight addition, it is OR of individual bits. an octal digit is 3 bits, those bits are independent of each other in this stuff |
| 20:24.41 | buchkurish | right |
| 20:24.45 | buchkurish | so how exactly does this work |
| 20:24.51 | stew | Muisje: afaik this doesn't have anything to do with locale.gen |
| 20:24.54 | buchkurish | again .. lets say default upload is 0600 |
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| 20:25.05 | peterS | buchkurish: think of 777 as bits 111 111 111. and think of 644 as bits 110 100 100. the rest you can figure out. |
| 20:25.06 | buchkurish | so umask of 022 or 133 would get me 0644 |
| 20:25.13 | buchkurish | ok let me try |
| 20:25.51 | peterS | buchkurish: now the FTP server will not normally set the execute bits, so it will attempt to set the file at 666, or 110 110 110. you need to use the umask to remove whichever of those bits you wish to remove |
| 20:26.12 | buchkurish | ok |
| 20:26.14 | Muisje | stew it worked before |
| 20:26.25 | Muisje | I don't know why it does not since reinstallation of system |
| 20:26.59 | dondelelcaro | it doesn't now, because the default for apache is to now send charset=UTF8 instead of not sending one at all |
| 20:27.10 | dondelelcaro | you can change that, or you can change the encoding of the file |
| 20:27.40 | Muisje | Mmz |
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| 20:28.43 | relaxed | There hasn't been any updates to unstable in a few days. Are they trying to clear up the libcurl issues or have I wrecked my system? |
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| 20:29.10 | dondelelcaro | relaxed: there are always updates to unstable, though it's possible that none of the updates affect you. |
| 20:29.24 | relaxed | dondelelcaro: very true. |
| 20:29.25 | setuid | How do I get the structures in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ |
| 20:29.40 | setuid | I have cpufreq_ondemand loaded, but without the structures in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/, I can't change it |
| 20:29.47 | dondelelcaro | relaxed: http://incoming.debian.org/REPORT <-- if you want to see what has most recently changed |
| 20:30.16 | relaxed | dondelelcaro: thanks for the info. |
| 20:31.16 | dondelelcaro | relaxed: np |
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| 20:32.18 | setuid | hrm |
| 20:32.29 | setuid | I guess AMD64 doesn't support CPU scaling in Debian's kernels |
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| 20:33.12 | BUMBACL0T | is it possible to make a user with two home directories? |
| 20:33.19 | setuid | BUMBACL0T, No |
| 20:33.35 | peterS | you can, however, make two usernames with two home directories but only one UID |
| 20:33.36 | setuid | But you can use unionfs to map two directories into one. |
| 20:33.47 | setuid | s/map/merge/ |
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| 20:34.03 | peterS | though this will not be completely reliable, as some programs don't trust $HOME or $USER and attempt to derive both from your UID |
| 20:34.07 | dromer | hmm, I'm having trouble getting my kernel to run: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: Cannot determine root device |
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| 20:34.47 | quitte | BUMBACL0T: yaou can also change permiossions on another directory so that the user can write to it |
| 20:35.01 | peterS | dromer: you may have to try the other initrd generator. Debian ships both initramfs-tools and yaird. whichever one you have installed, try removing it in favor of the other one. |
| 20:35.15 | stew | peterS: he's trying to install woody, i think |
| 20:35.20 | BUMBACL0T | i see |
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| 20:35.27 | stew | BUMBACL0T: why do you want a user with two home directories? |
| 20:35.29 | peterS | stew: oh, that may be a problem then |
| 20:35.53 | stew | peterS: he's trying to do an install on a transplanted harddrive using deboostrap for a machine with 16mb ram |
| 20:35.57 | BUMBACL0T | stew, ftp purposes |
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| 20:36.12 | Yea10354 | hey |
| 20:36.17 | Yea10354 | BACK |
| 20:36.18 | stew | BUMBACL0T: exactly how would you want it to work? |
| 20:36.20 | Yea10354 | AND STILL NEED HELP |
| 20:36.25 | Yea10354 | oops caps |
| 20:36.28 | dromer | peterS: wel, it's a chrooted disk with sarge on it, and I can't install either .. |
| 20:36.37 | peterS | dromer: you might have mentioned that earlier |
| 20:36.53 | peterS | dromer: getting an initrd generator to understand a chrooted environment might be tricky |
| 20:37.07 | stew | dromer: is /dev populated? is /proc? |
| 20:37.14 | th13fp45s | Hi, I have NatACL and Squid running in an authenticated transparent proxy, but I'd like to create acl by users. Can someone tell me how I can do this? |
| 20:37.14 | dromer | peterS: uhuh, I've been reading on mounting /proc and /sys |
| 20:37.35 | stew | dromer: which kerenel version are you generating an initrd for? |
| 20:37.53 | dromer | stew: dev isn't populated by any disks |
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| 20:38.17 | dromer | stew: 2.6-386 |
| 20:38.20 | stew | dromer: you need to --bind mount /dev before you chroot |
| 20:38.38 | dromer | er rather: 2.6.8-3-386 |
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| 20:39.30 | dromer | stew: ok, it's populated now |
| 20:39.36 | th13fp45s | Hi, I have NatACL and Squid running in an authenticated transparent proxy, but I'd like to create acl by users. Can someone tell me how I can do this? |
| 20:39.37 | relaxed | Just so I don't lose my mind can someone else with an up-to-date unstable verify that running "apt-get install git-core" fails with "git-core: Depends: libcurl3-gnutls (>= 7.16.2-1) but 7.15.5-1 is to be installed" ? |
| 20:40.07 | stew | dromer: make sure to tell the initrd generator about which ide modules its going to need when put into its target system |
| 20:40.09 | setuid | relaxed, probably in the middle of a merge/update, jsut wait a few hours and re-update |
| 20:40.14 | xerophyte | how can i compress a active logfile with gzip or bzip2 .. it should compress and recreate ? |
| 20:40.28 | setuid | xerophyte, logrotate |
| 20:40.29 | peterS | relaxed: lose your mind? like this is the first time unstable has had a half-complete library transition that forces you to - gasp - wait 48 hours before you can update everything like a madman? |
| 20:40.30 | relaxed | setuid: it's been a few days. maybe I screwed up my system. |
| 20:40.33 | abrotman | xerophyte: depends on the daemon .. ideally use logrotate |
| 20:40.42 | dromer | stew: how do I do that? |
| 20:40.55 | stew | dromer: by listing them in /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 20:41.00 | relaxed | peterS: That's likely, I just ruling out pebkac. |
| 20:41.00 | th13fp45s | Hi, I have NatACL and Squid running in an authenticated transparent proxy, but I'd like to create acl by users. Can someone tell me how I can do this? |
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| 20:41.08 | setuid | th13fp45s, #squid |
| 20:41.20 | dromer | stew: how do I know which ones I need? |
| 20:41.38 | peterS | dromer: you need whichever ones correspond to the hardware you use |
| 20:41.49 | th13fp45s | setuid: OK, Thanks |
| 20:41.57 | Muisje | its fixed |
| 20:42.02 | stew | peterS: could he maybe use ide-generic for now and rebuild in the destination system once thats up? |
| 20:42.05 | dromer | peterS: hardware: the crappy laptop the disk is going into? |
| 20:42.11 | Muisje | http://www.criminalsworld.nl/eurosign.html |
| 20:42.23 | Muisje | Thank you for not being able to provide helpfull support, no hard feelings. |
| 20:42.24 | peterS | dromer: why do you expect me to know whether the disk is going into a crappy laptop or not? |
| 20:43.15 | xerophyte | setuid, abrotman i have logrotate with daily but the file is huge for some reason how can i tell logrotate to rorate the current file ? |
| 20:43.26 | dromer | peterS: sorry, I've been hanging here a couple days with this hack :P and have spoken to you about it too, I think, my bad. It's for a Toshiba T4900CT without floppy/cdrom |
| 20:43.27 | abrotman | xerophyte: run logrotate manually ? |
| 20:43.29 | xerophyte | setuid, i tried logrotate logfile |
| 20:43.40 | xerophyte | abrotman, i tried that it didn't work |
| 20:43.41 | abrotman | /etc/cron.daily/logrotate |
| 20:43.53 | tbamr | !beer abrotman |
| 20:44.01 | xerophyte | abrotman, i tried that since the time is not come its not rotating it |
| 20:44.11 | xerophyte | abrotman, how can i tell to rotate current file |
| 20:44.26 | abrotman | xerophyte: which darn log ? |
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| 20:45.00 | WindowsUninstall | Hi all |
| 20:45.20 | WindowsUninstall | I've a question, can I install cyrus 2.2.12 on my debian etch? |
| 20:45.41 | WindowsUninstall | newer versions of cyrus on sparc doesn't works very well |
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| 20:45.55 | setuid | UTSL |
| 20:46.13 | WindowsUninstall | I read on some mailing list that cyrus 2.2.22 works |
| 20:46.23 | abrotman | !backports |
| 20:46.24 | dpkg | i guess backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 20:46.28 | setuid | Never believe what you read on the Internet |
| 20:46.34 | WindowsUninstall | also I saw that gentoo uses cyrus 2.2.12 |
| 20:46.43 | setuid | Gentoo is not Debian Etch |
| 20:46.47 | peterS | uh, are we communicating on the internet? |
| 20:47.28 | dkr | this sentence is false. |
| 20:47.39 | peterS | the previous sentence is true. |
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| 20:47.50 | dkr | q.e.d. |
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| 20:48.20 | stew | when you logically xor the two previous statements you get 'true' |
| 20:48.26 | WindowsUninstall | setuid, Sorry but it should not be a backport, I'm trying to find and install an older version of cyrus |
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| 20:48.50 | setuid | An older version is a backport |
| 20:49.47 | dkr | WindowsUninstall: use the source, Luke |
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| 20:51.01 | stew | WindowsUninstall: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 20:51.48 | setuid | How do I find out which flavor of Debian I'm running, other than the 4.0 in /etc/debian_version? |
| 20:51.59 | stew | WindowsUninstall: realizae that it is likely that there are security problems that will never be fixed in whatever version of 2.2.12 you find from sdn |
| 20:52.07 | stew | setuid: what do you mean by flavor? |
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| 20:52.25 | setuid | stew, Unstable, stable, etch, Woody, whatever... |
| 20:52.56 | stew | setuid: 4.0 is stable aka etch ; if you want to verify that it is what you really have, check you installed version of libc6 against available versions from http://packages.debian.org/libc6 |
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| 20:54.14 | Exy | Or he could just read his /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 20:54.19 | setuid | stew, No way to query something in /proc or /etc or such? |
| 20:54.41 | setuid | Exy, That doesn't tell me what I'm running, that tells me what repositories exist in sources.list, which could be anything, at any point in time. |
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| 20:54.43 | setuid | i.e. not to be trusted |
| 20:54.56 | stew | setuid: /etc/debian_version which is basically the same as checking the installed version of the base-files package |
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| 20:55.27 | Exy | setuid, Unless you've changed them yourself, it's what the installed software is from, i.e. what you're running |
| 20:55.45 | setuid | Exy, That can't be trusted |
| 20:56.01 | stew | Exy: however, if it says stable, how do you know if it is a woody system that hasn't been updated in 4 years, or a sarge system that hsan't been updated in 1 year |
| 20:56.03 | Exy | It can unless you never ever update your system... |
| 20:56.09 | Exy | ah, heh |
| 20:56.12 | setuid | If I (or another admin) changes sources.list to point to Unstable, and runs 'apt-get update', am I running Unstable? No. |
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| 20:56.31 | Exy | setuid, I said if no-one had changed it, I assumed it was your system |
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| 20:57.10 | setuid | On a multiuser system exposed to the net, anything is possible (and easily forged, without pristine backups to compare to). i.e. not to be trusted ;) |
| 20:57.10 | dromer | stew: how do I know which modules I need? |
| 20:57.15 | setuid | But I'll stick with 4.0 for now |
| 20:57.38 | stew | setuid: what version of libc6 is installed? |
| 20:58.29 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.31 | stew | 09:44 < stew> dromer: well, chances are that it is one of piix,amd74xx,via82cxxx ; you could list all three of those, and throw in ide_generic for good measure... |
| 20:58.37 | stew | setuid: that is etch |
| 20:59.00 | dromer | stew: aah, backlog ;) erhm, I jut make a list of these modules? |
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| 20:59.12 | WindowsUninstall | stew, Anyway can I found packages for sparc on snapshot.debian.net ? |
| 20:59.19 | WindowsUninstall | *find |
| 20:59.28 | stew | WindowsUninstall: i don't know. did you try? |
| 20:59.32 | setuid | stew, But how would I know that? If I have a random Debian system in a closet, or under a desk, how do I look up what its running against some sort of table? |
| 20:59.47 | yea103746 | hey |
| 20:59.49 | yea103746 | back |
| 20:59.56 | stew | 15:52 < stew> setuid: 4.0 is stable aka etch ; if you want to verify that it is what you really have, check you installed version of libc6 against available versions from http://packages.debian.org/libc6 |
| 21:00.11 | setuid | Ok, didn't see that |
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| 21:00.16 | yea103746 | need help with my server still, still getitng cant mount root filesystem ..........whats my best way to debug this ? |
| 21:00.21 | abrotman | stew: what timezone are you in? |
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| 21:00.29 | stew | abrotman: CDT |
| 21:00.34 | abrotman | uhm .. ok then |
| 21:00.41 | stew | abrotman: if by "you" you mean "your shell server that you are ircing from" |
| 21:00.50 | abrotman | ah .. i thought yours was in the same timezone/city |
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| 21:02.17 | tvynr | Query regarding Debian packaging policy: I'm building a package for some upstream software. Said software is non-free and the license does not permit redistribution, so I am writing a postinst script similar to the one found in flashplugin-nonfree that will download the software on the user's behalf after prompting the user to accept the license. I've almost completed the packaging, but Lintian is complaining about my version number ("5.04-1") |
| 21:02.17 | tvynr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.06 | tvynr | It seems to be complaining because, given as this is a closed-source application, there is no original source tarball. I attached a Debian packaging number, though, in anticipation that my postinst wrapper and so forth may eventually need to be changed (if, for instance, the upstream site's download URL changes). Is this appropriate? What do I do? |
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| 21:03.24 | stew | tvynr: your package was built as a native pacakge (instead of a .orig.tar.gz + a .diff.gz, it was built with just a .tar.gz), but your version string indicates a debian revision (the -1) |
| 21:03.39 | WindowsUninstall | steve, I'm trying to install it |
| 21:03.45 | WindowsUninstall | steve, I'm trying to install them |
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| 21:04.10 | yea103746 | can someone help me here ? i dont know what to check for |
| 21:04.30 | yea103746 | cannot mount root file system |
| 21:04.34 | tvynr | stew: *nods* Is attaching a Debian revision number inappropriate? I'm envisioning a situation in which Stanford changes the layout of its site and I have to release a "5.04-2" wherein the URL is changed. I get the feeling I've misunderstood the Debian versioning system, but I'm not sure how else to handle the aforementioned scenario. |
| 21:04.37 | stew | tvynr: you can call yous just version 1, then when someone makes a revision that can be 2 |
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| 21:04.49 | stew | tvynr: if there is no .orig.tar.gz then it is innopropriate |
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| 21:05.06 | tvynr | yea103746: Need some more information. Are you trying to boot a computer running an installation of Debian and are getting that message? |
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| 21:05.51 | stew | tvynr: if your software is version 5.04, and you need to change your software that download theirs becuase a url was changed, then it will be a new version of your software, perhaps 5.05 |
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| 21:06.11 | tvynr | stew: Gotcha. I would like to try to ensure that the package version corresponds in at least some way to the upstream software's version and just tacking my own supplement onto the end ("5.04.1") seems a bit presumptuous. Would "5.04+1" be acceptable? |
| 21:06.34 | tvynr | stew: Not necessarily. They might just redesign the site at some point without updating the software itself. Or maybe there's a bug in my postinst script that I want to fix. |
| 21:07.21 | stew | tvynr: you are getting their software and your software confused. the postinst script is your software. if you are changing it, it is a new version of your software |
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| 21:09.03 | stew | tvynr: 5.04+1 would be ok, as would 5.04+20070626 as would 5.04.1 |
| 21:09.08 | tvynr | stew: *nods* I guess I'm trying to version my software in a way that indicates with which version of their software it works. At which point... the version number of the package is entirely something that I can play with? That is definitely a distinction that could be made. I guess I just view the upstream software as being more of a... thing... than the postinst script I'm writing to install it. |
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| 21:09.33 | tvynr | stew: Excellent. My preference would lie with 5.04+1 because it means essentially what I meant by 5.04-1 in the first place and without violating established conventions. |
| 21:09.41 | tvynr | stew: Thanks muchly! :) |
| 21:09.44 | NathanW25 | i'm having issues installing a fiberchannel nic in my debian etch ftp box, but when i put the hardware in and boot on every terminal i get a scrolling message, about eth1 device is up and linked, so much that it dont let me type anytihng in to the terminal as the line thats scrolling is taking over the space where i would normaly be able to type in commands, even does it before i can manage to get loged in, localy and via remote, sec |
| 21:09.55 | yea103746 | tvynr, no i have a server and i booted it from the network .......so i had full access to the HD so i mounted hd put on debian that took a while restarted into real mode and my datacenter guy said it had 2 error messages Mounting local filesystems . . . failed |
| 21:09.56 | yea103746 | * Not starting internet superserver: no services enabled. |
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| 21:10.10 | stew | tvynr: you can version your software anyway you like. just ensure that "dpkg --compare-versions $olderversion \< $newerversion" always succeeds |
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| 21:11.53 | tvynr | stew: Huzzah. ;) I'll double-check the version comparison rules. Thanks again. ;) |
| 21:12.46 | yea103746 | tvynr, any ideas ? |
| 21:12.48 | tvynr | yea103746: So we need to figure out why it failed to mount the local filesystem. Do you have the messages which were printed before that line? |
| 21:13.03 | yea103746 | the datacenter guy didnt send them |
| 21:13.08 | yea103746 | where would i go to see them ? |
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| 21:13.56 | yea103746 | ./va/log/ ? |
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| 21:15.30 | tvynr | yea103746: Chances are you won't have any logs since local filesystems failed to mount. |
| 21:15.40 | yea103746 | ooo |
| 21:16.03 | yea103746 | is thier anything i can do ? |
| 21:16.06 | tvynr | yea103746: Any chance you can ask Mr. Datacenter to boot your box again and give you the five or six lines that appear above "Mounting local filesystems... failed"? |
| 21:16.59 | yea103746 | i will do that now |
| 21:17.02 | tvynr | k |
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| 21:18.57 | inFw | why would a server be more slow after an upgrade? It was upgraded from a celeron to a pentium 4 and from 512MB ram to 1GB. Now the server load is way bigger :| |
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| 21:19.25 | karsten | inFw: Profile it. What's runnign? What's swap / IO look like? |
| 21:19.30 | ApEtc | inFw: New mobo? |
| 21:19.30 | yea103746 | tvynr, i jus submitted what i need |
| 21:19.35 | wols_ | laod says nothing at all |
| 21:19.37 | tvynr | yea103746: ok |
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| 21:19.48 | yea103746 | anyting i can do before hand to see if i could know what the problem is ? |
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| 21:19.57 | inFw | karsten: I don't know how.. Kind of a newbie on that.. |
| 21:20.03 | inFw | ApEtc: what's a mobo? |
| 21:20.08 | ApEtc | inFw: Motherboard |
| 21:20.17 | tvynr | yea103746: Do you have a shell to the affected machine? |
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| 21:20.24 | yea103746 | yep |
| 21:20.24 | inFw | Note: the isntall remains the same, the disk was just plugged in into a new machine |
| 21:20.34 | yea103746 | remember i have a network booted distro running on it |
| 21:20.39 | yea103746 | so i have full access to the HD |
| 21:20.58 | ApEtc | inFw: Does the machine do a particularly large amount of disk access? |
| 21:20.59 | inFw | ApEtc: no, the same I think. I didn't perform the upgrade myself, but components changed were processor and memory as far as I know |
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| 21:21.32 | ApEtc | inFw: Ok. If it was a new motherboard and the machine did a lot of disk access, a wild guess was going to be you don't have DMA enabled for the new controllers. |
| 21:21.41 | tvynr | yea103746: Right. And you can mount the hard drive just fine, then? So I'd try this: chroot to where you have it mounted (ex. "chroot /mnt/hda1") and try to mount everything from there (ex. "mount -a"). |
| 21:21.45 | inFw | ApEtc: yes, it's running gameservers and LAMP |
| 21:21.50 | yea103746 | tvynr, so yes i can mount the hd and chroot in to the drive |
| 21:21.51 | inFw | ApEtc: nice tip, I'll check |
| 21:22.10 | yea103746 | tvynr, what is mount -a doi ? |
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| 21:22.40 | tvynr | yea103746: To my knowledge, that's what gets run on startup. mount -a reads /etc/fstab and tries to mount the filesystems shown there. So, all else being equal, that might get you the error messages. |
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| 21:23.17 | ApEtc | inFw: If possible, try to find out more details about what was actually changed. If no software changed and only hardware did, everything you can find out will probably help you decide what caused the change. |
| 21:23.29 | yea103746 | tvynr, i ran mount-a it didnt do anything |
| 21:23.50 | tvynr | yea103746: You're chrooted into your hard drive's mount? |
| 21:23.51 | yea103746 | i ran it inside the chroot of the systems HD |
| 21:23.54 | yea103746 | yessur |
| 21:24.04 | tvynr | yea103746: Run "mount" to check that everything is properly mounted? |
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| 21:25.10 | inFw | ApEtc: dma is enabled :( |
| 21:25.14 | yea103746 | tvynr, is it using the mount from my chroot or from the network boot ? |
| 21:25.44 | yea103746 | http://phpfi.com/245091 |
| 21:25.46 | yea103746 | tvynr, ^ |
| 21:26.23 | tvynr | yea103746: If you're chrooted in, it should be using the mount from your chroot. I think. If you want to be sure, try mounting each one of the entries in /etc/fstab yourself? |
| 21:26.39 | tvynr | yea103746: I don't suppose your hardware happens to be an nVidia chipset SATA controller, does it? |
| 21:26.45 | yea103746 | no no |
| 21:26.53 | inFw | ApEtc: all the optimizations are done on the kernel, right? would a reinstall help? It's running stock kernel |
| 21:26.55 | tvynr | yea103746: Mind if I ask to see your /etc/fstab? |
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| 21:27.15 | freezed | hello |
| 21:27.20 | tvynr | yea103746: I'm brainstorming on the things I know that could cause the root filesystem to fail to mount on a drive boot but not on a LiveCD boot. |
| 21:27.35 | tvynr | yea103746: Is there a chance that the kernel on the HD and the kernel on the CD are different versions? |
| 21:27.59 | ApEtc | inFw: Adding the specific drivers for your controllers would do it |
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| 21:28.25 | freezed | I have some trouble with debian etch 4.0 installation and an error with scsi raid controller : "aic7xxx ... 0x2002" |
| 21:28.59 | freezed | Any idea ? |
| 21:29.06 | dromer | so stew: now I need to use mkinitrd |
| 21:29.07 | ruied | Hi! I've upgraded my debian sarge "dist-upgrade". now I don't have apt-setup, how can I configure sources.list with a tool like apt-setup? |
| 21:29.08 | madclicker | hi, need to convert .wav to mp3. how can i achive that? |
| 21:29.35 | yea103746 | tvynr, i installed this system through deboostrap i downloaded the kerrnel through apt-get |
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| 21:29.42 | yea103746 | tvynr, http://phpfi.com/245092 heres my fstab |
| 21:29.50 | dromer | stew: to effect the changes I made in /etc/mkinitrd/modules ? |
| 21:30.30 | stew | dromer: dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-$version |
| 21:30.59 | tvynr | yea103746: What I'm getting at is a problem I had a while ago... the LiveCD was kernel version 2.6.15 and everything mounted fine. The HD kernel was version 2.6.14 and nothing mounted right. The reason for this was because my controller's driver ordered the drives differently in the newer kernel so what showed up as /dev/sda in 2.6.14 actually appeared as /dev/sde in 2.6.15 and a bunch of other oddities. |
| 21:31.05 | freezed | I already try = "boot : aic7xxx.aic7xxx=no_probe", but nothing change |
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| 21:31.28 | tvynr | yea103746 |
| 21:31.29 | ab3l | !info w32codecs |
| 21:31.32 | ruied | is there any tool like apt-setup? what happened to apt-setup? |
| 21:31.48 | tvynr | yea103746: Hmm... seems unlikely that you're getting that problem. I'm seeing that your /etc/fstab is pretty simple. |
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| 21:32.14 | tvynr | yea103746: Not sure how much more help I'll be without those error messages. :( |
| 21:33.05 | dromer | stew: ok, then what? :) |
| 21:34.10 | stew | dromer: dpkg-reconfigure should rebuild the initrd, you can verify it did by checking the time on /boot/initrd-$foo ; if so, then you can try booting it in your other machien provided you got grub setup |
| 21:34.28 | dromer | stew: no, I still need to setup grub |
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| 21:34.56 | ruied | Can anyone help me, I really net to know where I can have access to the debian sources.list in Portugal... but apt-setup has disappeared since my dist-upgrade... I really need help.... |
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| 21:36.00 | dromer | stew: I have to run grub-install but with what parameters? |
| 21:36.19 | stew | dromer: you are running it inside the chroot or outside? |
| 21:36.25 | dromer | stew: inside |
| 21:36.43 | stew | dromer: "grub-install /dev/sda" (assuming it is still attached to /dev/sda) |
| 21:37.19 | tvynr | ruied: I'm not sure how to help. I have no apt-setup on my Etch machine either, but I always edit /etc/apt/sources.list by hand. Do you know which package apt-setup used to be in? |
| 21:37.19 | dromer | stew: Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
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| 21:37.34 | stew | yeah, that's becuase / isn't in /etc/mtab probably |
| 21:37.38 | dromer | stew: but there now _is_ a /boot/grub |
| 21:38.16 | stew | dromer: run it from outside with: grub-install --root-directory=/path/to/your/chroot /dev/sda |
| 21:38.30 | stew | dromer: then you are going to have to fix some stuff in /boot/grub, then chroot, then run update grub |
| 21:38.37 | ironfroggy | anyone here know how to configure libapache2-mod-fcgid ? |
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| 21:39.03 | stew | dromer: the stuff you ar going to have to fix is the device.map, and the #kopt= line (which will be pointing at the wrong root device) |
| 21:39.13 | stew | hmm, i dunno of sarge's grub supports uuids or labels |
| 21:39.20 | tvynr | ruied: From what I'm reading, apt-setup was in base-config and base-config isn't really used anymore. |
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| 21:39.48 | ruied | tvynr, my main problem is where to find debian repositories... apt-setup tool had several repositories now I don't know where to find for good ones.... is there any webpage with some kind of database for the debian repositories? |
| 21:39.50 | dromer | stew: ok, I was thinking as such yes, I just don't have any idea what my device.map should look like |
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| 21:40.31 | dromer | stew: there is no #kopt= line |
| 21:40.38 | tvynr | ruied: Maybe this is what you're seeking? http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 21:40.44 | stew | dromer: there is, in menu.lst |
| 21:40.52 | vanderburg | Anyone know why SSH/SCP woulds fine for me but CVS commit using SSH would fail? |
| 21:40.56 | stew | dromer: show us the current device map, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:41.04 | ruied | tvynr, apt-setup in my opinion was a good tool, why did they removed it? strange... now it's more difficult for new debian users.... |
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| 21:41.25 | tvynr | ruied: Not sure. Since I never used it, I don't know if there was a rationale. Perhaps there's a new program that replaces it? |
| 21:41.39 | ejm | what? Debian |
| 21:41.42 | stew | ruied: moved all of base-config that used to run after you reboot into your freshly installed system to run before you ever reboot from the installer |
| 21:41.52 | ejm | oh nuts..I ruined my line. |
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| 21:42.05 | dromer | stew: http://pastebin.ca/590954 |
| 21:42.15 | stew | ruied: the author of apt-setup only ever meant it to be used by the isntaller, he had no interest in maintaining it outside of the installer. someone needs to fork it in order to make it run standalone again |
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| 21:42.23 | tuliox | how can i delete games without messing up the system |
| 21:42.27 | yea103746 | tvynr, yea |
| 21:42.30 | yea103746 | im jus waiting on them now |
| 21:42.33 | tuliox | i tried with aptitude and synaptic, both want to remove kde |
| 21:42.45 | dromer | stew: there is no menu.lst |
| 21:42.48 | stew | dromer: and what is in the #groot= line in menu.lst? |
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| 21:43.01 | ejm | I was wanting to know how to get dri working on my intel 915 video card. I've got the drivers installed already. |
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| 21:43.05 | stew | dromer: did you successfully run grub-install? |
| 21:43.17 | ejm | I know I have to do some 'nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf' |
| 21:43.29 | tvynr | ruied: I think there's something called apt-spy now that you might want to investigate. |
| 21:43.34 | tvynr | yea103746: 'kay :) |
| 21:43.39 | stew | dromer: that device.map is fine, btw, but you'll definately have to edit things in menu.list and rerun update-grub |
| 21:43.48 | ruied | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.58 | dromer | stew: yes, this is what it gives: http://pastebin.ca/590957 |
| 21:44.17 | yea103746 | tvynr, so theres not much other stuff i can do until i got those messages ey ? |
| 21:44.27 | ruied | tvynr, You gave me what I needed, www.debian.org/mirror/list :) thanks |
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| 21:44.43 | stew | dromer: does /media/sarge-root/boot/grub/menu.lst exist? |
| 21:45.00 | dromer | stew: no, I just told you :) |
| 21:45.09 | tvynr | yea103746: Not that I can imagine, no. :( Obviously, GRUB is set up properly if you're getting a message about mounting local filesystems... but without knowing what went wrong, we really don't know where to look. |
| 21:45.10 | tuliox | how can i delete games without messing up the system, i tried with aptitude and synaptic, both want to remove kde. |
| 21:45.16 | tvynr | ruied: np - glad to help ;) |
| 21:45.19 | dromer | stew: make it myself? |
| 21:45.25 | tvynr | tuliox: Which games? |
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| 21:45.32 | tuliox | the card ones |
| 21:45.41 | tuliox | they were installed by default using kdecd1 |
| 21:46.11 | tvynr | tuliox: The "kde" package is a meta-package that simply depends on a lot of other packages (like kde-core, kde-amusements, etc.). You can safely remove the package "kde" without causing horrible things to happen. |
| 21:46.42 | tvynr | tuliox: If you run "dpkg -L kde", you'll see that it actually only contains a couple of documentation files. |
| 21:46.42 | stew | dromer: what happens if you chroot in and run "update-grub" ? |
| 21:46.44 | yea103746 | tvynr, i use lilo :P more simple |
| 21:47.21 | tvynr | yea103746: Ah. :) Either way, you're getting past the bootloader. |
| 21:47.24 | gpm | they're both simple |
| 21:47.31 | yea103746 | tvynr, whats the 1 1 mean on the fstab ? |
| 21:47.35 | dromer | stew: ah, it generates the menu.lst :) |
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| 21:47.37 | yea103746 | lilo PWNS :P |
| 21:47.40 | tuliox | looooooool i was looking for this thing called "dpkg -L" |
| 21:47.43 | tuliox | you saved my life thx |
| 21:47.43 | yea103746 | grubs always throwing me errors |
| 21:47.48 | dromer | stew: try to bot on the laptop? :) |
| 21:47.50 | dromer | boot* |
| 21:47.56 | stew | dromer: no, you need to fix menu.lst |
| 21:48.11 | stew | dromer: what is in #kopt= and #groot= ? |
| 21:48.18 | dromer | stew: ok, it said: : Cannot determine root device. Assuming /dev/hda1 This error is probably caused by an invalid /etc/fstab |
| 21:48.19 | tvynr | yea103746: check "man fstab" under the entries about the fifth and sixth fields |
| 21:48.23 | tvynr | tuliox: np :) |
| 21:48.27 | tuliox | ;D |
| 21:48.27 | stew | dromer: (note that those leading #'s are required, do not remove them) |
| 21:48.39 | tuliox | what is safer, aptitude or synaptic? |
| 21:48.50 | tuliox | i found aptitude easier .. |
| 21:49.06 | tvynr | tuliox: Define "safer". I use synaptic for my GUI needs but I usually just run apt-get from the command line. |
| 21:49.13 | dromer | stew: thnx, I was wondering! :) |
| 21:49.33 | dromer | stew: ok: # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro and # groot=(hd0,0) |
| 21:49.44 | tuliox | these tools always mess the system, im afraid seeing it deleting wront h |
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| 21:50.10 | stew | dromer: ok, those look correct, did you change them or did they already look that way? |
| 21:50.13 | tuliox | btw how do i boot im pure text mode ? |
| 21:50.20 | dromer | stew: automagic |
| 21:50.27 | streuner | tuliox: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 21:50.30 | stew | dromer: ok, then i'd try it |
| 21:50.51 | tuliox | without removing the graphical system |
| 21:50.53 | tuliox | lol |
| 21:51.04 | dromer | stew: ok, now I have to umount /proc/ and /sys/ too right? |
| 21:51.11 | tvynr | tuliox: Well, if you're fiddling around with the software that's installed on the machine, you have the power to break things. ;) But essentially I think you just want to be very careful about removing packages. Know what's in them before you remove them. |
| 21:51.12 | streuner | tuliox: update-rc.d -f remove (x)dm |
| 21:51.23 | stew | dromer: doesn't matter |
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| 21:51.50 | dromer | stew: can't umount it otherwise .. hmm I umounted /proc /sys and dev .. still device busy |
| 21:51.56 | tvynr | tuliox: Can you define what you mean by "pure text mode" more clearly? There's no real difference between booting into a GUI and booting to a text console except in which software runs on start-up. |
| 21:52.02 | streuner | tuliox: that would remove the symlink, the package of (x)dm is still installed, so you can run it anytime |
| 21:52.07 | tvynr | tuliox: If you want a true text console right now, just hit Ctrl+Alt+F1. |
| 21:52.19 | tuliox | tvynr thx |
| 21:52.32 | tuliox | tvynr didnt really work |
| 21:52.32 | tvynr | tuliox: Ctrl+Alt+F7 to get back to the GUI. |
| 21:52.34 | stew | dromer: you need to close any files open inside the chroot. having a shell running with a directory in the chroot as the current directory counts as an open file |
| 21:52.36 | dromer | stew: what else did I mount to /sargeroot ? |
| 21:52.45 | ruied | tvynr, can you pastbin your sources.list to compare with mine? mine is reporting some "file or directory not found" |
| 21:53.04 | stew | dromer: /chroot/dev |
| 21:53.06 | dromer | stew: I don't have anything running afaik |
| 21:53.07 | tvynr | tuliox: Make sure it's the left Ctrl and left Alt. |
| 21:53.16 | stew | dromer: lsof | grep sargeroot |
| 21:53.16 | dromer | stew: I also umounted that |
| 21:53.21 | tvynr | ruied: Can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list for me along with the error messages? |
| 21:53.37 | Supaplex | how do I add fonts for Gimp? |
| 21:53.49 | tuliox | tvynr im running thru vmware, i think it wont work |
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| 21:54.24 | ruied | tvynr, the error messages are in portuguese, and I'm using another machine with no gui... |
| 21:54.25 | dromer | stew: takes very long .. nothing showing up yet |
| 21:54.37 | tvynr | tuliox: Ah. I could see that being a problem. |
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| 21:55.17 | tvynr | tuliox: Well, if you want to stop your X server, you could run "/etc/init.d/kdm stop" (or "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" if you use gdm). Then run start again later to start it back up. |
| 21:55.42 | NathanW25 | i'm running debian etch, and i just instaled a new fiber channel nic, when i boot up it gives the link up message on all remote and local consoles, so much that i cant manage to even get loged in, how can i stop it from scrolling the link up/down status messages to all consoles, |
| 21:55.43 | ab3l | hi, i need help with ntfs-3g - installed it with no problem on debian sarge 3.1 --- but for some reason installation in debian 4 is troublesome for me |
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| 21:55.55 | tvynr | ruied: Did you run "apt-get update" after you edited your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 21:56.03 | yea103746 | tvynr, so yea theres not other places this could have went ? like error messages or something ? |
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| 21:56.26 | x_link | hehe YES |
| 21:56.28 | dromer | stew: nothing |
| 21:56.35 | x_link | Finaly new KDE version in Debian Testing =) |
| 21:56.39 | x_link | KDE 3.5.7 =) |
| 21:56.46 | x_link | I thought we were getting KDE 3.5.6 |
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| 21:56.49 | tvynr | yea103746: Just so I'm straight on this... you installed Debian and booted it, it failed to mount the root filesystem and panicked, and then you rebooted to a LiveCD? 'cause if so, the error messages didn't have anywhere they could go. |
| 21:57.09 | yea103746 | tvynr, no no |
| 21:57.14 | ruied | tvynr, yes... my apt has the following two lines: deb ftp://ftp.pt.debian.org/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 21:57.15 | yea103746 | the server is remote |
| 21:57.23 | NathanW25 | ive done # dmesg -c # Clear ring buffer dmesg -n 1 # Only show panic messages on the console ... but i dont think its a panic message, its more just a status message and debian dont run watchdog so i cant just kill the watchdog any ideas? |
| 21:57.32 | ruied | and: deb-src ftp://ftp.pt.debian.org/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 21:58.01 | yea103746 | tvynr, i put my server into a network boot ....which boots a small ubuntu and allows me to accessthe hardisk since its booting from the network |
| 21:58.24 | dromer | stew: hmm, I really can't umount it |
| 21:58.26 | tvynr | ruied: I think it needs to be "ftp://ftp.pt.debian.org/debian/" and not "ftp://ftp.pt.debian.org/" |
| 21:58.27 | yea103746 | i put debian on it |
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| 21:58.49 | yea103746 | through debootstrap tvynr then i told my datacenter people hey restart server normally turnn network boot off |
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| 21:59.06 | N1ckR | How is a kernel version chosen for the next stable release, is it which ever is most stable at freeze ? |
| 21:59.06 | yea103746 | they said ok ......and came back and said it says failed to mount root file system |
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| 21:59.21 | ruied | tvynr, going to check... |
| 21:59.24 | yea103746 | so im not sure if it panicked or if it was still workable i dont know |
| 21:59.28 | TrueDD | good night all |
| 21:59.28 | tvynr | yea103746: *nods* Sorry... I've been likening it to a LiveCD in my head. Point is, though, that the error message is happening when you don't have any permanent storage mounted, right? |
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| 21:59.53 | stew | dromer: you need to close whatever file is open |
| 21:59.57 | yea103746 | tvynr, i guess soo ......but the /var/log/dmsg looks like something is going on |
| 22:00.01 | Qwell[] | hey, I'm having a bit of trouble trying to run ooffice on a 64-bit Intel machine - ** (process:14826): WARNING **: Unknown error forking main binary / abnormal early exit ... |
| 22:00.02 | tvynr | yea103746: They should have your machine's RS232 hooked up to a server somewhere so you can get boot-up kernel panic logs. :-P |
| 22:00.25 | tvynr | yea103746: Can you paste the last 50 lines of it or so so I can take a glance? |
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| 22:00.28 | Qwell[] | There was some opengl variable I could set before starting it up, but that's a silly hack |
| 22:00.36 | yea103746 | tvynr, at which one ? |
| 22:00.37 | tuliox | when i ran "aptitude", it said: E: could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open |
| 22:00.37 | dromer | stew: afaik there is nothing open, but I'm thinking there's still something mounted .. just don't know what, all I had where /proc /sys and /dev and I umounted those |
| 22:00.47 | tvynr | yea103746: The dmesg for the failed boot. |
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| 22:01.15 | yea103746 | tvynr, http://phpfi.com/245097 |
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| 22:01.29 | tvynr | tuliox: You need root permissions to run apt-get (or a program that runs apt-get for you). I use "sudo apt-get" myself. |
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| 22:01.47 | tuliox | im logged as root |
| 22:01.49 | tuliox | id0 |
| 22:02.24 | dromer | then you still have an instance of apt/aptitude running |
| 22:02.27 | dromer | tuliox: ^ |
| 22:02.40 | tuliox | lemme see ps x |
| 22:03.06 | tuliox | omg console freezed, vmware problem? |
| 22:03.09 | yea103746 | tvynr, i dont see any errors in it but thats it |
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| 22:03.27 | giupy | hi all |
| 22:03.36 | tvynr | yea103746: Do you have the corresponding /var/log/syslog? 'cause that looks like a healthy dmesg to me. Quite sure that's from when you booted from the hard drive? |
| 22:03.39 | yea103746 | any other files where errors go ? |
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| 22:04.05 | yea103746 | tvynr, pretty sure ;) its on the HD |
| 22:04.06 | tuliox | ok i get it, now i need one more thing, how to disable unecessary daemons and services from running? |
| 22:04.09 | giupy | do i need smbd running on my server to connect my client trough sshfs? |
| 22:04.50 | dromer | stew: booting kernel :D |
| 22:05.00 | tvynr | yea103746: Well, if it never got the root filesystem mounted, it never would've gotten to move the log file (from the last time it successfully booted) out of its place. Of course... it's possible you never successfully booted this installation, in which case I have little idea how that dmesg got there. ;) The corresponding syslog might shed some light on that. |
| 22:05.11 | yea103746 | tvynr, http://phpfi.com/245099 ... yea look at the times that was them today i was in bed when they did that |
| 22:05.27 | tvynr | tuliox: You can either remove the corresponding packages or you can simply disable them using update-rc.d |
| 22:05.42 | tuliox | is update-rc.d a binary ? |
| 22:05.43 | krifur | hello,i have a little question, when i start a program with command line like firefox and i forget to put the & at the end how can i append it after?i try something with job like bg but not working ? |
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| 22:06.04 | yea103746 | tvynr, any other error files but those to look at ? |
| 22:06.37 | tvynr | yea103746: Not AFAIK. :( |
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| 22:06.50 | dromer | wow, this boot really takes LONG, I should probably clean that up somewhat .. hmm, seems to hang at starting cron. |
| 22:06.52 | yea103746 | tvynr, but yea theres the syslog |
| 22:06.52 | tvynr | krifur: Press Ctrl+Z and then run "bg" |
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| 22:08.01 | krifur | twisted`: thx! it works |
| 22:08.01 | Mattias | anyone know how to setup logitech g5 correctly? |
| 22:08.28 | yea103746 | tvynr, maybe they dont knwo what they are talking about maybe i should reboot into real mode and just see if it really works ? |
| 22:08.39 | krifur | oups tvynr thx i mean :) |
| 22:08.56 | tvynr | krifur: np :) |
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| 22:09.06 | tuliox | Mattias yes, put acceleration to 1.0x (wich is disabled) and leave the rest at default |
| 22:09.08 | yea103746 | as you said the dmsg is getitng written and it loosk right and it happened june 26 11 am ...about the time thye sent me the ticket |
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| 22:09.34 | tvynr | yea103746: You can give it a try. Hope it's not too much trouble for you to get them to put it back to network boot if something goes wrong. |
| 22:09.37 | inFw | how can I find the ram cachesize? I can't find it in /proc |
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| 22:10.00 | Qwell[] | inFw: /proc/meminfo, Cached: ? |
| 22:10.02 | quitte | real mode? |
| 22:10.02 | Mattias | tuliox: what about the wheel tilt / side button to work correctly? |
| 22:10.24 | tuliox | Mattias oh i forgot about that |
| 22:10.28 | stew | inFw: which cache do you mean? |
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| 22:10.49 | tuliox | can i see what is running throught update-rc.d ? |
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| 22:10.53 | Mattias | tuliox: so far the dpi on the fly / regular buttons are working, and scroll, but not the rest :) |
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| 22:11.25 | pickcoder | tuliox: file /usr/sbin/update-rc.d |
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| 22:11.35 | pickcoder | will tell you the file type |
| 22:11.36 | tuliox | Mattias http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/06/20/logitech-g5-review-under-linux/ |
| 22:11.40 | Mattias | out of all things, i forgot to save the xorg config file when i deleted gentoo :P |
| 22:11.40 | yea103746 | tvynr, shit takes about 3 hours for them to do anyways |
| 22:11.44 | dromer | ok, wow, using recavery (single user mode) I got into bash \o/ |
| 22:11.46 | Mattias | tuliox: ty |
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| 22:11.54 | dromer | except pcmcia doesn't work :S |
| 22:11.56 | tuliox | Mattias google is welcome =p |
| 22:11.59 | inFw | stew: I guess I need to read more on RAM, but I thought there was just one type. |
| 22:12.10 | tuliox | pickcoder what? |
| 22:12.23 | yea103746 | tvynr, we will know in about heh 3 mins if sshd started up and server is working ;) |
| 22:12.32 | stew | inFw: there is CPU cache, and there is some of your ram that is being used by the os as as a disk cache |
| 22:12.33 | tvynr | yea103746: :) |
| 22:12.39 | pickcoder | tuliox: you asked if it was a binary |
| 22:12.49 | tuliox | that was not what i asked later |
| 22:12.51 | tuliox | can i see what is running throught update-rc.d ? |
| 22:13.02 | yea103746 | where are mos of you located ? |
| 22:13.11 | dromer | so, how do I set up networking using a pcmcia-card ? |
| 22:13.19 | dromer | I know it's a Xircom |
| 22:13.30 | yea103746 | Europe or USA ? |
| 22:13.40 | dromer | europe here |
| 22:13.46 | yea103746 | ah |
| 22:13.52 | yea103746 | what part :P ? |
| 22:13.54 | yea103746 | just curious |
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| 22:14.00 | Mattias | tuliox: tried google, but somehow my search entries wouldn't give right answers. and the wiki for debian didn't have answer :) |
| 22:14.01 | giupy | how can i make kdm use a non-background like the screen of an X session without wm ? |
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| 22:14.02 | dromer | west |
| 22:14.08 | stew | yea103746: please don't poll, there are too many people in the channel for such a thing |
| 22:14.15 | dromer | haha |
| 22:14.18 | yea103746 | yea sorry :P |
| 22:14.22 | stew | dromer: modprobe xirc2ps_cs ; then run "ifconfig -a" and see if any eth* devices show up |
| 22:14.26 | dromer | so stew it booted .. kind of .. |
| 22:14.43 | inFw | stew: hum a friend of mine who understands hardware - which I barely do - told me I should put RAM with 4MB cache on a server for better performance.. Hence me trying to figure out the size :) |
| 22:14.45 | _wfq | why does mplayer sounds as soft if alsa drivers are at the maximum volume? |
| 22:14.49 | yea103746 | well if anyone cares i live in miami florida -> usa -> southeast |
| 22:14.58 | Exy | No-one does |
| 22:15.01 | dromer | stew: nope |
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| 22:15.16 | stew | dromer: you can also try xircom_cb |
| 22:15.22 | MANU100 | OLA |
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| 22:15.27 | stew | !br |
| 22:15.28 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:15.47 | yea103746 | i lived in brazil for 8 years ;) |
| 22:15.56 | dromer | stew: nope, there is another type right? |
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| 22:16.06 | EmleyMoor | yea103746: Did it drive you nuts? <g> |
| 22:16.07 | _wfq | Manu100, send me a private if you want to speak in spanish, that channel is english |
| 22:16.08 | MANU100 | HELO |
| 22:16.18 | yea103746 | EmleyMoor, no why ? |
| 22:16.37 | stew | dromer: those are the two I know of, there could be others |
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| 22:16.53 | yea103746 | _wfq, thats portuguese not spanish |
| 22:16.58 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 22:17.09 | stew | inFw: you can try 'dmidecode' |
| 22:17.17 | tvynr | I'm building a package using debconf and I'm currently getting this message when I try to run the config script: "debconf: Unknown template field '_description', in stanza #1 of ./templates". The templates file contains a field labeled "_Description:" because I was under the impression that po-debconf wanted translatable fields marked. Any idea what's going on? |
| 22:17.19 | pickcoder | tuliox: it's a perl script, you can read the script and see what it does |
| 22:17.19 | _wfq | yeal103... I know, bu I could understand him if he writes in portuguese |
| 22:17.27 | yea103746 | i dont see how |
| 22:17.37 | inFw | MANU100: I'm portuguese, so query me if in need. |
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| 22:17.52 | inFw | stew: I'll give it a try, thanks. |
| 22:17.54 | yea103746 | portuguese and spanish are very different |
| 22:17.58 | _wfq | it is easy, both languages are very similar and i can understand a little bit portuguese |
| 22:18.02 | _wfq | not at all |
| 22:18.07 | yea103746 | lol |
| 22:18.10 | inFw | _wfq: depends |
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| 22:18.19 | yea103746 | anyways |
| 22:18.20 | stew | tvynr: you are more likely to get help in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 22:18.23 | inFw | on which spanish! catalan & such |
| 22:18.23 | _wfq | portuguese is the most similar language to spanish |
| 22:18.27 | _wfq | more than french and intalian |
| 22:18.29 | tvynr | stew: Alrighty. Thanks. :) |
| 22:18.30 | EmleyMoor | Speaking to a Portuguese person in Spanish tends to get you a response in French - so my dad used to say |
| 22:18.33 | yea103746 | they are 2 different languages Brazillian Portuguese and Spanish are different |
| 22:18.35 | stew | please take the language discussion elsewhere |
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| 22:19.11 | yea103746 | pronounciation is very different in most cases and spelling and grammar PT_BR has about 19 more exceptions |
| 22:19.34 | _wfq | ok, stew is allright, but one thing is to speak and one to write. A 60-70% of portugueses is perfectly understandble for spanish people |
| 22:19.53 | _wfq | send me a private and check it out |
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| 22:20.10 | stew | yea103746: _wfq: take it elsewhere, perhaps #debian-offtopic |
| 22:20.15 | yea103746 | yes |
| 22:20.17 | yea103746 | ok |
| 22:20.23 | _wfq | stew, you allright |
| 22:20.28 | _wfq | sorry |
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| 22:20.50 | karmatronic | how can i find out my printer s caracteristics ? |
| 22:21.00 | yea103746 | last thing i will say is i lived in brazil and i lived in puerto rico and i live in miami now, when brazillians coem to puerto rico they are more lost then english speakers ........anyways im done ;) |
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| 22:21.20 | yea103746 | tvynr, lol the server is up and running |
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| 22:21.45 | tvynr | yea103746: lol |
| 22:21.55 | tvynr | yea103746: Lovely. Wonder what happened... |
| 22:21.58 | yea103746 | well |
| 22:22.00 | yea103746 | guess what |
| 22:22.04 | yea103746 | i forgot the root password |
| 22:22.08 | yea103746 | i made it a temp one |
| 22:22.18 | yea103746 | i should have set a new one before i left the network boot |
| 22:22.28 | _wfq | well, does anyone could know how i could manage to turn up my mplayer's volume. Alsa is at the maximum volume possible |
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| 22:22.56 | karmatronic | or _wfq pressing * touch |
| 22:23.02 | EmleyMoor | _wfq: All maximum or just master maximum? |
| 22:23.19 | _wfq | ummmmm, just master |
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| 22:23.27 | stew | _wfq: also turn up "pcm" |
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| 22:23.33 | EmleyMoor | _wfq: Turn up pcm |
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| 22:24.10 | _wfq | but, hey guys thanks a lot |
| 22:24.12 | yea103746 | cant belive this |
| 22:24.22 | _wfq | i thought just master was suitable to turn up |
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| 22:24.48 | EmleyMoor | _wfq: Think of "master" as the one on top, over and above the relativity of the others |
| 22:24.49 | yea103746 | i forgot my root password |
| 22:25.03 | stew | yea103746: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 22:25.18 | EmleyMoor | (like the "MASTER VOLUME" knob on a discotheque amplifier) |
| 22:25.23 | _wfq | ahhh, got it |
| 22:25.23 | waltercool | hi there... i have sid version... how can i see packages? (without apt-get) |
| 22:25.33 | yea103746 | steve, i have no access to the server its remote |
| 22:25.34 | stew | waltercool: what do you mean by "see" |
| 22:25.39 | waltercool | ste |
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| 22:25.49 | StrongArm | What's wrong with my X display, my typing is fine when I run my mouse over it, or when I start a new xterm, otherwise the display is weird looking, as if its infected |
| 22:25.54 | stew | yea103746: then you'll have to ask someone else to do it for you |
| 22:26.02 | waltercool | stew: Use a Gui version xD |
| 22:26.33 | stew | waltercool: synaptic is a gui package manager, but aptitude is the most recommended |
| 22:26.38 | EmleyMoor | StrongArm: What does that mean? |
| 22:27.09 | waltercool | thats the name stew, very thanks!! :) |
| 22:27.13 | StrongArm | EmleyMoor: sounds weird I know but its true |
| 22:27.31 | StrongArm | some sort of X display bug |
| 22:28.05 | StrongArm | it fine when I run my mouse over it, |
| 22:28.28 | StrongArm | its all smurged |
| 22:28.37 | _wfq | it is quite strange, I am using mplayer to play some music's web sites. The question is when the pop-up windows is in foreground I can listen the music but if it is in background not. |
| 22:28.57 | _wfq | if I resize the windows in foreground, I can listen to it back |
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| 22:29.11 | EmleyMoor | StrongArm: Are you sure you are using the most suitable driver? Also, are you sure your PSU is good? I had a similar effect a couple of weeks ago when my PSU was dying |
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| 22:29.26 | _wfq | I just need to see it phisically. |
| 22:29.30 | StrongArm | PSU? |
| 22:29.59 | EmleyMoor | Power Supply Unit |
| 22:30.10 | StrongArm | its a laptop |
| 22:30.31 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... OK - drivers and screen type in that case |
| 22:31.54 | yea103746 | is thier anyway to have 5 diffenrt monitors hooked to 1 cpu each with its own sessions / screen ? |
| 22:32.00 | yea103746 | and 5 different keyboards ? |
| 22:33.00 | yea103746 | and 5 different mouses ? |
| 22:33.01 | yea103746 | :P |
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| 22:34.41 | isai | hello |
| 22:34.41 | tuliox | http://pastebin.com/937083 ==! what should i disable |
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| 22:35.27 | isai | how do I get the system document in man? E.g.: man rename gives me perl information instead of the C function documentation. |
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| 22:36.10 | isai | I am looking at the man pages on the web, put would like a local copy. |
| 22:36.28 | urv | isai: man 3 rename |
| 22:36.51 | urv | isai: you need the section 3 of the manuals - see "man man" |
| 22:36.54 | Flimzy | I'm trying to run ies4linux (ie6 specifically) on amd64. It is installed okay (built wine from source from unstable on etch). But ie6 crashes the X server (using nvidia driver) the *second* time I launch it. The first time, it works fine. |
| 22:37.15 | Flimzy | and I can start multiple instances of it. |
| 22:37.23 | ejholmgren | trying to netboot a sarge install onto a sun netra T1 ... system has two 9 gig scsi drives that I want to run in raid1, but it wont let me set the first partition as a raid volume .. only 2, 3, 4 etc |
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| 22:37.25 | Flimzy | Anyone have any bright ideas on what I might do to fix this? |
| 22:37.58 | isai | thanks. |
| 22:38.10 | pickcoder | ejholmgren: sarge won't be getting security updates much longer. Etch is the latest stable. |
| 22:38.12 | urso_ | hello |
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| 22:38.36 | ejholmgren | did the same thing in etch too |
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| 22:39.06 | ejholmgren | etch uses udev though ... and that makes getting both hme's to work since they share the same mac |
| 22:39.13 | ejholmgren | hard |
| 22:39.17 | pickcoder | ejholmgren: if you don't specify "no spare" then the configuration will automatically set one of the two drives as a spare |
| 22:40.04 | pickcoder | hrm.. wait.. you're saying you're using partition one as softraid |
| 22:40.09 | EvilGuru | Is it safe to delete /var/cache/apt/archieves? |
| 22:40.13 | stew | ejholmgren: i'd recommend disabling that particualr featuure in etch and setting the mac explicitly in an "up" or a "pre-up" line in /etc/network/intefaces ; /msg dpkg z25 ; man interfaces |
| 22:40.18 | dondelelcaro | EvilGuru: just use aptitude clean; |
| 22:40.34 | Maerz | is there an other nice looking display manager then gdm and kdm and xdm ? |
| 22:40.40 | bangers | hi all, in sendmail it's showing size=xxxx |
| 22:40.45 | bangers | is that bytes of the mail packet? |
| 22:40.59 | stew | ejholmgren: err, not "that particular feature in etch" but "that particular feature in udev" |
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| 22:41.10 | ejholmgren | pickcoder: had the same problem in etch too though ... no softraid on the 1st partition |
| 22:41.18 | pickcoder | I'm confused |
| 22:41.31 | pickcoder | sda0 is defined as what type of FS? |
| 22:41.56 | pickcoder | er |
| 22:41.57 | pickcoder | sda1 |
| 22:41.58 | ejholmgren | basically anything but a raid volume |
| 22:42.10 | pickcoder | ok |
| 22:42.13 | ejholmgren | it what it will let me |
| 22:42.23 | pickcoder | and you want it to use it as RAID? |
| 22:42.32 | ejholmgren | got around it by making an 8M or so on each first |
| 22:42.47 | ruied | I need the kernel-source (2.6.8) but my sources list reports that the kernel source and the kernel-source-2.6 nor kernel-source-2.6.8 doesn't have any installation candidate... where can I find debian kernel source? my kernel is 2.6.8-2-686 doesn |
| 22:42.48 | ejholmgren | and then using the 2nd partition on both |
| 22:43.01 | ejholmgren | as softraid for /boot |
| 22:43.09 | pickcoder | you can't put /boot on softraid |
| 22:43.13 | ejholmgren | that seems sort of ridiculous though ... |
| 22:43.29 | frank | sure you can |
| 22:43.31 | ejholmgren | yes |
| 22:43.36 | ejholmgren | I did it |
| 22:43.39 | valdyn | ruied: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list ( not here, use a paste site ) |
| 22:43.47 | ejholmgren | as long as it's raid1 |
| 22:43.48 | pickcoder | so grub loads the mdadm drivers first? |
| 22:43.57 | frank | but that only works for raid1 |
| 22:43.58 | ejholmgren | yep |
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| 22:44.08 | pickcoder | that's the first I've heard of that |
| 22:44.10 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 22:44.37 | frank | raid1 is just mirror, so no care about raid |
| 22:44.56 | ejholmgren | wouldn't work on 0 or 5 etc ... cause it's stripped |
| 22:45.01 | ejholmgren | striped |
| 22:45.14 | frank | right |
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| 22:45.41 | pickcoder | raid0 is striped... raid1 is mirrored |
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| 22:45.50 | ejholmgren | I just find it odd that the installer doesn't let you define the first partition as a raid volume |
| 22:46.00 | ejholmgren | maybe it's a problem with the sparc64 port? |
| 22:46.07 | StrongArm | What's wrong with my X display, my typing is fine when I run my mouse over it, or when I start a new xterm, otherwise the display is weird looking, as if its infected |
| 22:46.22 | StrongArm | I have a Nvidia card |
| 22:46.25 | StrongArm | on the laptop |
| 22:46.33 | frank | hm, some time ago, but i got the first partition as raid1 |
| 22:46.34 | StrongArm | pherhap its the wrong driver |
| 22:46.39 | StrongArm | its a new install |
| 22:46.57 | ejholmgren | frank: everything I've read seems to indicate that it's the norm |
| 22:47.06 | ruied | valdyn, what is the pastbin site? |
| 22:47.37 | karmatronic | how can i turn on !paste |
| 22:47.42 | karmatronic | !paste |
| 22:47.42 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 22:48.12 | frank | if it didn't work out just use one partition now and make it raid1 afterwards |
| 22:48.45 | ejholmgren | wish this thing had a cdrom at least so I could figure out if the netboot installer was the problem |
| 22:48.52 | isai | manpages-dev seems to have installed most of the needed C library pages. But "man 3 rename" still can't find rename. What other packages need to be installed? |
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| 22:49.52 | isai | hmm, nevermind... it put it in section 2 not 3, I guess it interfaces with the kernel. |
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| 22:51.12 | valdyn | !find rename.1.gz |
| 22:51.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'rename.1.gz' (6 of 10): (/usr/share/man/man1/prename.1.gz) in perl/perl ;; (/usr/share/man/man1/ncrename.1.gz) in math/nco ;; (/usr/share/man/man1/krename.1.gz) in kde/krename ;; (/usr/share/man/man1/mrename.1.gz) in utils/mrename ;; (/usr/share/man/man1/ldbrename.1.gz) in net/ldb-tools ;; (/usr/share/man/man1/gprename.1.gz) in utils/gprename. |
| 22:51.52 | valdyn | !find rename.3.gz |
| 22:51.58 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'rename.3.gz' returned no results. |
| 22:52.14 | ruied | valdyn, I've pasted it... http://paste.debian.net/31485 |
| 22:52.21 | ejholmgren | is there a way I can boot the installer and get a command line? |
| 22:52.33 | stew | ejholmgren: hit alt-f2 |
| 22:52.39 | ejholmgren | I'm used to slackware where you get pitched to the vbirds |
| 22:53.08 | valdyn | ruied: that's etch, not sarge, etch has no 2.6.8 kernel or kernel sources, sarge had |
| 22:54.17 | ruied | valdyn, why not? |
| 22:54.39 | ruied | can I move to sarge? |
| 22:55.10 | valdyn | ruied: no, downgrading is not supported |
| 22:55.18 | valdyn | ruied: why dont you use an etch kernel |
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| 22:57.49 | ruied | valdyn, what kernel version has etch? is etch a testing version? |
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| 22:58.19 | stew | ruied: etch is stable (/topic) the current kernel version in etch is 2.6.18-4 |
| 22:58.32 | valdyn | ruied: you're confusing me with that ignorance - who installed your system? why does it say etch in /etc/apt/sources.list while the kernel is still sarge? |
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| 23:00.26 | valdyn | ruied: it does however look like an incomplete upgrade. How incomplete i cant tell yet. 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' |
| 23:00.55 | ejholmgren | stew: I don't get the same menus with a netboot |
| 23:01.07 | ejholmgren | I'm hooked up to the netra with a serial console |
| 23:01.33 | ruied | I've installed, then upgraded it (dist-upgrade) and than I didn't have apt-setup, so I made this sources.list... I normally create sources.list with apt-setup, since I didn't have apt-setup I was googleing to try to add some repositories... |
| 23:01.59 | valdyn | ruied: that sources.list is ok |
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| 23:02.15 | stew | ejholmgren: oh if you are installing from a serial console, i'm not sure you'd have an easy way to starting a shell, but I'm not sure. |
| 23:02.22 | valdyn | ruied: except that i would replace any 'stable' with 'etch', but that does not change anything at the moment |
| 23:03.21 | ruied | valdyn, libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 23:03.27 | valdyn | ruied: if that dist-upgrade went fine, just install an etch kernel. And probably linux-headers for that kernel if you want to compile any modules. |
| 23:03.35 | valdyn | !info libc6 etch |
| 23:03.37 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (etch), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
| 23:03.43 | valdyn | ruied: that's etch too, fine. |
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| 23:05.27 | ruied | valdyn, I don't have any package greater than kernel-source-2.6.8... that's my main problem.... |
| 23:05.53 | ejholmgren | fyi ... the installer at 9600 baud is painfull |
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| 23:07.36 | cal | anything i do with apt-get i get a segfault... what would cause this? |
| 23:07.42 | cal | root@watcher:~# apt-get check |
| 23:07.43 | cal | Segmentation faultsts... 0% |
| 23:08.24 | stew | cal: what version of debian are you running? |
| 23:09.08 | cal | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 |
| 23:09.19 | stew | cal: had you just upgraded? |
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| 23:09.24 | cal | stew: it was working last night.. i hosed apt-get somehow, but not sure what i did |
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| 23:09.38 | cal | stew: could i have hosed it when i did 'apt-get upgrade'? |
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| 23:10.15 | cal | i ran that and it failed like half way through last night. not sure if thats what caused my segfaults today though. |
| 23:10.27 | stew | cal: what does "dpkg -s libc6 | grep Version" say? |
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| 23:11.12 | cal | Version: 2.3.6.ds1-8 |
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| 23:11.43 | stew | cal: can you show us your /etc/apt/sources.list ? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 23:11.56 | ejholmgren | hrmmn.... if I do the initial install on one drive, then create a degraded raid1 mirror on the other, copy everything over, and then rebuild. |
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| 23:12.49 | stew | ejholmgren: are you planning on using software raid or hardware raid? |
| 23:13.40 | ruied | valdyn, I made 'apt-cache pkgnames |grep kernel-s' http://paste.debian.net/31486 |
| 23:13.55 | stew | ruied: /msg dpkg upgrade kernel |
| 23:13.59 | cal | http://paste.lisp.org/display/43506 |
| 23:14.18 | cal | stew: it was working fine before with that same sources.list, btw |
| 23:14.43 | ejholmgren | stew: soft |
| 23:14.48 | stew | cal: you are mixing an old version of etch with sid and ubuntu!?! no wonder things are broken |
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| 23:15.10 | valdyn | ruied: its called linux-* now |
| 23:15.40 | stew | ejholmgren: yes, its possible, this page is for an older version of debian, but i believe the procedure he uses in order to move an installation onto a degraded array and rebuild it are still valid: http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
| 23:15.55 | cal | stew: i think that is the default sources.list for knoppmyth |
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| 23:16.00 | cal | which is what i am using |
| 23:16.14 | valdyn | geez |
| 23:16.25 | valdyn | cal: wrong channel, here only debian is supported |
| 23:16.37 | cal | valdyn: this IS debian |
| 23:16.43 | stew | cal: please go to a channel specific to knoppmyth then |
| 23:16.52 | valdyn | cal: no |
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| 23:17.06 | cal | my /etc/issue says Debian 4.0 .. they use debian for knoppmyth |
| 23:17.06 | stew | cal: no, its not, its a broken mix of many different distributions, and not something we'd support. sorry |
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| 23:17.30 | stew | ejholmgren: one difference is that you won't be using mkinitrd, but mkinitramfs instead |
| 23:17.40 | valdyn | cal: /etc/issue is just a file from a package, it means nothing for system integrity |
| 23:17.48 | terr_ | I need to rescan the SCSI bus. Can anyone remember how or where the HOWTO is and what it is called? |
| 23:18.10 | cal | heh .. the knoppmyth guys said its a distro issue, talk to debian people. |
| 23:18.16 | stew | ejholmgren: and instead of running "mkinird ..." you can just "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version" where $version is the output of "uname -r" |
| 23:18.21 | ejholmgren | stew: thanks ... I need to get this damn thing off my desk. The 15k scsi drives are staring to make my ears bleed |
| 23:18.24 | stew | cal: sorry, we can't help you |
| 23:18.25 | cal | oh well, thanks. i will try somewhere else. |
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| 23:18.59 | cal | i think i am just going to reinstall apt |
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| 23:19.28 | simonrvn | cal: be better off having a full-fledged debian there |
| 23:19.32 | ruied | valdyn, hehe, I wasn't up to date with the current debian changes.... I was getting almost crazy with this... I'm going to compile a bri interface for asterisk... didn't know debian last changes (linux-* and the apt-setup is not in current version...) thanks alot for the patience that you had with me... :) |
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| 23:20.01 | MatBoy-[ph] | Is the marvell chipset not supported that well ? My drives are seen but I can't write my partitionstable to it |
| 23:20.16 | valdyn | MatBoy-[ph]: the driver is makred 'experimental' |
| 23:20.18 | simonrvn | cal: good luck |
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| 23:21.02 | cal | simon: yeah i am thinking of wiping the whole thing and going with debian or ubuntu. that will be a weekend worth of work though =) |
| 23:21.07 | MatBoy-[ph] | valdyn, but strange is that on etch there is and sata_mv loaded |
| 23:21.21 | valdyn | MatBoy-[ph]: is or isnt? |
| 23:21.29 | valdyn | MatBoy-[ph]: its still an experimental driver. |
| 23:22.05 | MatBoy-[ph] | Is... It's not working well on any distro actually |
| 23:22.16 | valdyn | MatBoy-[ph]: right |
| 23:22.21 | ruied | finally getting new kernel :) |
| 23:22.38 | ruied | and source... |
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| 23:22.53 | ejholmgren | any idea if dd will copy the partition table from sda to sdb? |
| 23:23.02 | valdyn | ruied: to compile a module you usually only need the 'linux-headers-$(uname -r) package |
| 23:23.14 | karsten | ejholmgren: Sure, if that's included in what you copy from the target. |
| 23:23.19 | karsten | s/target/source/ |
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| 23:24.07 | Maerz | i just configured my xserver. no after /etc/init.d/xdm start nothing happens. syslog says nothing, xdm.log says nothing. |
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| 23:24.32 | valdyn | Maerz: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 23:25.03 | Maerz | /usr/bin/X11/xdm |
| 23:27.00 | MatBoy-[ph] | valdyn, it?s strane because the manifactures are supporting linux... How strange |
| 23:27.12 | valdyn | MatBoy-[ph]: they are ? |
| 23:27.36 | valdyn | MatBoy-[ph]: i dont think so |
| 23:27.38 | MatBoy-[ph] | valdyn... Check supermicro.. |
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| 23:27.51 | Maerz | valdyn any more ideas ? |
| 23:27.52 | valdyn | MatBoy-[ph]: which product? |
| 23:28.02 | valdyn | MatBoy-[ph]: are you running that as root? |
| 23:28.11 | valdyn | MatBoy-[ph]: it doesnt normally fail silently |
| 23:28.22 | valdyn | Maerz: ^^^^ |
| 23:28.23 | Maerz | i guess you mean me |
| 23:28.24 | Maerz | ^^ |
| 23:28.28 | valdyn | right |
| 23:28.36 | [Cadet] | part |
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| 23:28.43 | ruied | valdyn, I think it must have a kernel patch to support winbond 6692 (chan_mISDN) as a module... |
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| 23:28.55 | Maerz | its a laptop IBM T23 , debian lenny, fresh install. i am root. |
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| 23:29.30 | valdyn | Maerz: how's that related to supermicro? |
| 23:29.42 | valdyn | Maerz: oh geez |
| 23:29.49 | branstrom | I'm getting permission denied (publickey) all the time. :-/ |
| 23:29.51 | Maerz | i guess you mean Mat now ^^ |
| 23:30.06 | valdyn | Maerz: try running just 'startx' |
| 23:30.08 | MatBoy-[ph] | valdyn... A 8 port sata2 controller, thje onlu one they have... AOC.... |
| 23:30.11 | branstrom | I think I've checked everything. The permissions on .ssh and authorized_keys are good |
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| 23:30.19 | Maerz | ah some errors |
| 23:30.25 | branstrom | And the keys match |
| 23:30.46 | Maerz | O_o i am stupid ^^ i searched the xdm.log not the Xorg.log |
| 23:31.05 | branstrom | I'm gonna compare the sshd_config file to the one in my own server... |
| 23:31.09 | Maerz | no falied fontpath |
| 23:31.14 | Maerz | valied |
| 23:31.16 | Maerz | *valid ! |
| 23:31.25 | valdyn | Maerz: apt-get install xorg |
| 23:31.47 | litage_ | at the end of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist , i have "install ehci-hcd /bin/true" so that ehci-hcd isn't loaded when booting. however, when i try to manually load the module with ``modprobe -v ehci-hcd'', the output is "install /bin/true" and ehci-hcd isn't actually loaded. how can i load ehci-hcd? |
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| 23:32.19 | Maerz | idd. i just did install xserver-xorg O_o |
| 23:32.22 | dondelelcaro | litage_: in addition to -C, you can also use --ignore-install; man modprobe for details. |
| 23:32.24 | Maerz | ah it works |
| 23:32.30 | branstrom | The configurations are exactly the same and yet it works on my local server but doesn't work on this one :( |
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| 23:32.38 | litage_ | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 23:32.39 | dondelelcaro | litage_: and please don't immediately ask the same question in both channels |
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| 23:32.43 | ejholmgren | branstrom: do you have it setup to accept public keys? |
| 23:32.59 | branstrom | Yes I do |
| 23:33.07 | valdyn | Maerz: that server can be setup to use fonts for remove, it just normally is not. Hence xserver-xorg is usually not enough |
| 23:33.16 | valdyn | Maerz: s/for remove/from remote/ |
| 23:33.18 | Maerz | hmm how to change the res if no numblock for +- is available :D |
| 23:33.24 | branstrom | "PubkeyAuthentication yes" in sshd_config |
| 23:33.33 | valdyn | Maerz: xrandr |
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| 23:34.47 | valdyn | MatBoy-[ph]: im as lazy as you digging thru their website. Im guessing they ship a binary blob driver for linux just like adaptec does for a similar controller |
| 23:34.53 | Maerz | doh my res isn't supported O_o that shouln'd be |
| 23:35.01 | ab3l | hi, there a way to call a prompt for an user to say type something from a sh script ? |
| 23:35.37 | MatBoy-[ph] | valdyn, but such a driver schould work ? |
| 23:35.47 | valdyn | MatBoy-[ph]: sure |
| 23:36.51 | MatBoy-[ph] | valdyn, so that is 100% not the shipped driver as in a distro ? |
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| 23:37.55 | valdyn | MatBoy-[ph]: right |
| 23:38.44 | valdyn | MatBoy-[ph]: and supermicro does not support linux.. whatever they state, they dont list that driver |
| 23:39.18 | MatBoy-[ph] | valdyn' they do... |
| 23:39.45 | valdyn | http://www.supermicro.com/support/resources/OS/E7501Compatibility.cfm |
| 23:40.04 | shwag | what is the best cell phone for debian administrators ? |
| 23:40.08 | valdyn | rhel v3 being the last supported where rhel current is 5.0 |
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| 23:41.47 | MatBoy-[ph] | valdyn, i was testing rhel too but without that specific driver. So i tested rhel and debian on stock versions |
| 23:42.24 | [Cadet] | shwag: rotary |
| 23:42.37 | shwag | haha |
| 23:45.41 | waltercool | hi there |
| 23:46.24 | ricky | Hi! |
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| 23:46.42 | waltercool | i have changed my pc to 64 bits and dual core and my clock works too speedy, how can i normalize it? |
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| 23:47.11 | ben_goodger | too speedy? |
| 23:47.34 | ben_goodger | you mean, your computer's actual time clock (12:47am type) is running too fast? |
| 23:47.45 | waltercool | yeah |
| 23:47.56 | waltercool | 1 secs is ~~ 5 seconds |
| 23:47.58 | ben_goodger | that's decidedly worrying |
| 23:48.11 | ben_goodger | nothing should do that, no matter what its clock speed... |
| 23:48.15 | waltercool | and web times works me too speedy |
| 23:48.46 | waltercool | web clocs |
| 23:48.49 | waltercool | clocks |
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| 23:49.28 | MatBoy-[ph] | watercool, as long as it doesn't happen in bed with that time... Don't worry ;) |
| 23:49.44 | waltercool | but i cant have a good hour in my pc :S! |
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| 23:50.31 | xsdg | waltercool: does `hwclock` report times advancing that quickly also? |
| 23:50.36 | xsdg | waltercool: also, what kernel are you using? |
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| 23:51.11 | waltercool | 2.6.21 |
| 23:51.17 | waltercool | or .18? |
| 23:51.22 | xsdg | waltercool: uname -r |
| 23:51.33 | xsdg | waltercool: did you compile it yourself? or stock debian kernel? |
| 23:51.38 | waltercool | 2.6.21-1-amd-64 |
| 23:51.46 | waltercool | debian kernel |
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| 23:53.04 | xsdg | waltercool: not sure how to find this out, but I'd be curious to know if it uses tickless, and if using it (if it doesn't) or not (if it does) would make a difference |
| 23:53.15 | enn | Hello all ... what is the equivalent to dpkg-configure base-config in Debian 4.0? I've run dpkg-configure -a, but it hasn't picked up new NICs. |
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| 23:53.59 | waltercool | xsdg: Mmmm... i want have good my system hour T.T |
| 23:55.12 | xsdg | waltercool: what does `hwclock; sleep 2; hwclock` say? |
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| 23:55.28 | simonrvn | how about "fast system clock 64 bit" in google ;) |
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| 23:55.58 | waltercool | mar 26 jun 2007 20:36:12 CLT -0.704417 seconds |
| 23:55.58 | waltercool | mar 26 jun 2007 20:36:15 CLT -3.416278 seconds |
| 23:56.11 | simonrvn | !fgi fast+system+clock+64+bit waltercool |
| 23:56.11 | dpkg | fast+system+clock+64+bit: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=waltercool |
| 23:56.22 | simonrvn | oops |
| 23:56.25 | waltercool | lol xD |
| 23:56.25 | cafuego | tssk |
| 23:56.33 | simonrvn | !fgi waltercool fast+system+clock+64+bit |
| 23:56.33 | dpkg | waltercool: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=fast+system+clock+64+bit |
| 23:56.45 | cafuego | you overclocked it, didn't you? |
| 23:56.52 | simonrvn | probably |
| 23:56.53 | waltercool | simonrvn: If u dont know how help... dont speak ¬¬ |
| 23:57.15 | simonrvn | waltercool: don't tell me to shut up, it's not like i told you off |
| 23:57.19 | enn | I'm trying to migrate a drive with a Debian 4.0 install to a new machine ... but not finding any network cards. |
| 23:57.30 | simonrvn | get over your prissy little self |
| 23:57.36 | waltercool | simonrvn: i dont tell u to shut up :S |
| 23:57.40 | xsdg | simonrvn: calm down |
| 23:57.45 | karsten | simonrvn: Calm |
| 23:57.51 | simonrvn | i am calm |
| 23:57.55 | karsten | waltercool: You've got folks trying to help you. Be grateful. |
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| 23:58.13 | waltercool | karsten: ok.. |
| 23:58.18 | xsdg | I think you all are misinterpreting waltercool's remarks |
| 23:58.31 | simonrvn | waltercool: a web search is the first thing i do.... often it yields good results. it's just a matter of knowing how |
| 23:58.33 | waltercool | thanks xsdg for all :) |
| 23:58.37 | Miles_Prower | QUIT EXPLODING, YOU COWARDS! |
| 23:58.37 | karsten | xsdg: You're now looking evenly at me. |
| 23:58.56 | waltercool | simonrvn: yeah... but im making that while im in irc :) |
| 23:59.16 | xsdg | karsten: how am I looking now? :o) |
| 23:59.27 | cafuego | waltercool: Which is all good and well, but *we* can't see that, so we assume you didn't search google. |
| 23:59.34 | karsten | xsdg: You're looking real. Good. |
| 23:59.59 | cafuego | (because often, people don't) |
| 23:59.59 | xsdg | karsten: awesome response; added to quotefile :o) |
