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| 00:00.09 | karsten | xsdg: ;-) |
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| 00:00.33 | branstrom | Argh. I can't find ANY reason that my key isn't being accepted. I'm just getting permission denied (publickey) all the time. I've the right permissions and configurations and everything! |
| 00:00.36 | waltercool | cafuego: I know... but only can say google it xD |
| 00:01.00 | waltercool | cafuego: Is more short of make a just fucking google it |
| 00:01.02 | waltercool | :) |
| 00:01.09 | cafuego | waltercool: Well, instead of "If u dont know how help... dont speak" try "I am looking on google" |
| 00:01.16 | simonrvn | there's a difference between what i said and saying "google it": i gave you some potentially good search terms |
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| 00:01.28 | karsten | branstrom: server side & client side logs. Try it over from the start. |
| 00:01.30 | branstrom | Nothing even shows in /var/log/auth.log, so I can't diagnose it... wtf?! |
| 00:01.31 | simonrvn | hence my being slightly annoyed |
| 00:01.33 | xsdg | branstrom: is this a machine you can get to some other way? alternately, has publickey auth ever worked before? |
| 00:01.47 | xsdg | branstrom: ssh -vvv? |
| 00:01.52 | karsten | branstrom: Run sshd in non-daemon verbose mode for the connect attempt. |
| 00:02.11 | MangosDebian | !comfort simonrvn |
| 00:02.11 | dpkg | There, there, simonrvn. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 00:02.28 | cafuego | be careful, dpkg is known to pickpocket |
| 00:02.28 | waltercool | cafuego: Is a known word :) |
| 00:02.33 | cafuego | i lost a twenty last time |
| 00:02.37 | waltercool | well i going to restart.. bye |
| 00:02.39 | MangosDebian | heh |
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| 00:03.34 | branstrom | I can log in as root with my own publickey in root's authorized_keys. But I can't get the "loopback" thing going that I need to checkout an SVN repo through svn+ssh://svn@thesamemachine/repo - it just keeps saying "permission denied (publickey)"... |
| 00:03.45 | branstrom | I don't have any other kind of access. |
| 00:03.48 | stoned | cafuego: hey I just found 20 bucks in my old jacket pocket |
| 00:04.05 | shogunx | ahh... the pocket score! |
| 00:04.07 | stoned | simonrvn: hi man |
| 00:04.10 | branstrom | Can I do /etc/init.d/ssh stop and then keep that session open? |
| 00:04.22 | stoned | no |
| 00:04.23 | karsten | branstrom: Um, is your public key on the server? You may have to get it put there by someone. |
| 00:04.26 | branstrom | I have a vague memory that it's possible, but don't get why |
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| 00:04.44 | stoned | you can't stop sshd and still have an ssh session going, afaik |
| 00:04.49 | karsten | branstrom: I believe that will stop new sessions from connecting but won't kill existing sessions. |
| 00:04.57 | stoned | karsten: I think it does |
| 00:04.58 | karsten | branstrom: ... which is to say stoned and I disagree. |
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| 00:05.09 | stoned | karsten: lets test and find out eh |
| 00:05.22 | xsdg | stoned: you can |
| 00:05.24 | MangosDebian | stoned: i think it keeps existing sessions |
| 00:05.32 | stoned | ok |
| 00:05.34 | stoned | am IU still here? |
| 00:05.36 | shogunx | you can restart sshd, and the session will survive, iirc. definitely not stop. you can ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 and the session will survive also. |
| 00:05.38 | stoned | hey word |
| 00:05.38 | karsten | stoned: Tested locally. It works as I said. |
| 00:05.39 | xsdg | stoned: nope |
| 00:05.47 | stoned | I agree with you now |
| 00:06.15 | karsten | stoned: IIRC it was specifically configured that way to allow certain bits of remote admin, like restarting SSH. |
| 00:06.22 | stoned | am I still here |
| 00:06.23 | stoned | ? |
| 00:06.26 | xsdg | stoned: nope |
| 00:06.36 | karsten | stoned: ... though if you're going to ifdown/ifup interfaces you should use screen and reattach. |
| 00:06.38 | shogunx | oh my... one can stop it. thats nice. |
| 00:06.39 | karsten | stoned: Nope. |
| 00:06.39 | karsten | ;-) |
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| 00:06.48 | stoned | ok, I remember it happening to me....ohhhhh I know what I did last time |
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| 00:07.07 | branstrom | I've generated a keypair for this server to use when connecting to itself (in order to checkout/commit to the repo on the same machine) and placed the publickey in authorized_keys for the svn user and stored the privkey in /home/svn/.ssh/ too |
| 00:07.08 | stoned | last time I was ssh'd into my laptop and I did killall -9 sshd for some reason |
| 00:07.10 | stoned | it dropped me |
| 00:07.11 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:07.12 | karsten | stoned: The usual goofs are ifdowning your one interface, or flushing all firewall rules with default deny. |
| 00:07.13 | xsdg | heh |
| 00:07.23 | karsten | stoned: That'll do it too ;-) |
| 00:07.58 | xsdg | karsten: as long as you're not going through NAT, suspending and coming up with the same IP works surprisingly well |
| 00:08.10 | stoned | I have a job interview tomorrow |
| 00:08.13 | karsten | xsdg: Sure. |
| 00:08.14 | xsdg | (as long as you're not getting traffic while suspended, that is) |
| 00:08.16 | koojoo | i need some help with getty and my bbs |
| 00:08.17 | koojoo | xinetd.conf runs in.telnetd -L /sbin/agetty -n -l /usr/local/sbin/autologinbbs 38400 tty9 -- autologinbbs is a c program that simply calls login -f bbs 0 (essentially) and it will autoplogin as user bbs and run the bbs program -- the problem is that when someone telnets in, they do not get the remote diusplay of the bbs, but i can see it on tty9 and work it from there, whereas on the telnet client it sits as a blank screen |
| 00:08.28 | stew | thats one thing that fwbuilder does that is smart, it has you put in a "failsafe ssh" ip or something, that tells it, "no matter how screwed the rules are I tell you to make, make sure this guy can still ssh in" |
| 00:08.30 | cafuego | branstrom: Did you check that PermitRootLogin is set to yes on the remote sshs erver? |
| 00:08.31 | karsten | xsdg: The problem is running, say: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 ... |
| 00:08.34 | stoned | **** Computer doctor |
| 00:08.36 | branstrom | karsten, then I added to /home/svn/.ssh/config the lines necessary to point it to the privkey for outgoing sessions to the hostname I'm using in the URL for the SVN repo... |
| 00:08.45 | xsdg | karsten: yeah |
| 00:08.47 | karsten | xsdg: ... in the shell that gets dropped when you ifdown eth0. The ifup never happens. |
| 00:08.48 | branstrom | So it should work, it does on my own server, just like this |
| 00:09.01 | stoned | hey |
| 00:09.05 | stoned | oh whoops wrong chan |
| 00:09.18 | karsten | stoned: Playing doctor? |
| 00:09.18 | xsdg | karsten: yeah, I tried that with `ifdown; sleep 1; ifup` before |
| 00:09.26 | xsdg | karsten: this was before I learned about SIGHUP :o) |
| 00:09.32 | karsten | xsdg: run that in screen, you're golden. |
| 00:09.39 | stoned | karsten: no, **** == name of company + Computer doctor. job interview tomorrow |
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| 00:10.18 | xsdg | karsten: yeah, or nohup |
| 00:10.18 | stoned | karsten: its like a low level geeksquad thing |
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| 00:10.18 | stoned | pays more than what I make right now |
| 00:10.18 | koojoo | it will work fine asn display to the tlenet client if i dont use agetty and autologinbbs but if i just use in.telnetd -L autologinbbs it displays fine, the user logs bbs logs in and it runs the bbs program, but i cant snoop on whats going on in any tty |
| 00:10.18 | branstrom | cafuego, I'm doing a sort of a loopback connection, not to another machine. And it's set to yes. The sshd_config files are identical between my own server (where this all works fine) and this one |
| 00:10.48 | branstrom | I'm not connecting as root though, I'm connecting as the svn user |
| 00:10.52 | cafuego | hrm |
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| 00:11.02 | cafuego | svn user have a shell? |
| 00:11.04 | JordiGH | I have this card: http://www.ciao.co.uk/Linksys_Wireless_G_Notebook_Adapter_With_SRX_WPC54GX__Review_5595079 |
| 00:11.04 | stoned | whats the word on AMD64 + fglrx? |
| 00:11.13 | JordiGH | Which some reviewer says works well on Debian. |
| 00:11.22 | stoned | is the word a good word? or a bad word? |
| 00:11.24 | cafuego | stoned: apparrently doesn't oops the kernel these days |
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| 00:11.33 | xsdg | heh |
| 00:11.34 | cafuego | stoned: but i'd still go nvidia |
| 00:11.37 | stoned | I've been wanting to go 64bit for a while now |
| 00:11.44 | stoned | cafuego: well I have two expendable boxes here |
| 00:11.52 | branstrom | cafuego, I created it with adduser and didn't do anything with it concerning it's shell |
| 00:11.53 | JordiGH | I really have no idea how to get wireless cards working on Debian, though. Where to begin? |
| 00:11.54 | shogunx | why not pick a card with dri support in the kernel? |
| 00:11.55 | stoned | cafuego: etch, with nvidia, or xp with x1900xtx ati |
| 00:12.11 | xsdg | JordiGH: install wireless-tools |
| 00:12.28 | cafuego | stoned: I run amd64 with nvidia (ubuntu) and have done so for well over a year. |
| 00:12.34 | xsdg | JordiGH: then search for the driver (google should help in figuring out which one that is) using apt-cache (or google again :o) |
| 00:12.50 | stoned | problem is, nvidia box is agp, while x1900xtx is pci-e. problem is, only the x1900xtx pc supports 64bit via em64t, whereas nvidia box is P4 |
| 00:12.59 | cafuego | stoned: I lack a java 1.5+ browser plugin, but apart from that no issues. |
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| 00:13.14 | stoned | sometimes java is needed and you're like fuck! |
| 00:13.16 | stoned | right? |
| 00:13.17 | terr_ | anyone here familiar with using dd to read from a tape drive? |
| 00:13.26 | cafuego | stoned: Ah. Well. Just try fglrx and see if i blows up in your face then ;-) |
| 00:13.27 | JordiGH | xsdg: The problem is that there are so many things I could google for. The model name, the manufacturer, the chipset... I didn't find anything with apt-cache search by trying those. Or maybe I did. I'm never sure. At any rate, about to install wireless-tool |
| 00:13.44 | cafuego | stoned: java would be handy for the local tax office web interface |
| 00:13.45 | xsdg | JordiGH: "linksys WPC54GX linux"? |
| 00:13.46 | branstrom | karsten, you said I should try running sshd in non-daemon verbose mode. Can I do that somehow while only being logged in through SSH and having no other means of access? |
| 00:13.53 | cafuego | stoned: but it does run fine in a 32bit chroot |
| 00:14.07 | JordiGH | xsdg: In google? |
| 00:14.13 | xsdg | branstrom: /etc/init.d/ssh stop; sshd --verbose (or whatever it is) |
| 00:14.19 | xsdg | JordiGH: yeah |
| 00:14.32 | karsten | branstrom: Yes, but it's risky. |
| 00:14.33 | stoned | ok so flash is ok, fglrx is ok, no java in 64, what else could I need? hmm |
| 00:14.41 | xsdg | JordiGH: generally, searching for manufacturer and model and "linux" will get relevant results |
| 00:14.42 | cafuego | stoned: media support |
| 00:14.50 | stoned | cafuego: im trying to build a desktop/multimedia box |
| 00:14.51 | stoned | ohhhh |
| 00:14.52 | JordiGH | stoned: Adobe's flash player? |
| 00:14.58 | branstrom | karsten, well... I'm gonna try what xsdg said |
| 00:14.59 | stoned | nspluginwrapper |
| 00:15.00 | branstrom | here goes |
| 00:15.00 | cafuego | there are w64codecs now |
| 00:15.01 | shogunx | there is google.com/linux also |
| 00:15.02 | stoned | solved |
| 00:15.03 | karsten | branstrom: If you don't get sshd restarted, you're going to have no access. You might want to schedule a restart via cron or similar. And ensure that it works. |
| 00:15.08 | stoned | cafuego: no shit? nice |
| 00:15.18 | karsten | branstrom: Eg: it won't work if there's an existing process listing on :22. |
| 00:15.35 | cafuego | stoned: That package nly comntains 4 (four) at the moment though :-) |
| 00:15.44 | JordiGH | xsdg: There's so much contradictory information out there. One post says I need ndiswrapper, another says I don't. :-/ |
| 00:15.46 | stoned | cafuego: what does it contain? |
| 00:15.54 | branstrom | karsten, hmm, that's good advice, I'm just gonna have to learn how to cron stuff then (I'm a bit of a newbie) |
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| 00:15.57 | stoned | cafuego: tell me there is a real decoder for amd64 |
| 00:15.59 | stoned | please |
| 00:16.01 | xsdg | JordiGH: does the one that doesn't have useful info? |
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| 00:16.05 | abrotman | JordiGH: ever occur to you that you could do it either way ? |
| 00:16.10 | cafuego | sipr.so, drvc.so, cook.so, atrc.so |
| 00:16.19 | cafuego | stoned: Dunno, I don't use real. |
| 00:16.22 | JordiGH | abrotman: Of course it has. I'd rather avoid ndiswrapper, naturally. |
| 00:16.29 | xsdg | JordiGH: ndiswrapper is often used when there's no real linux driver support |
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| 00:16.37 | stoned | cafuego: most of my southpark collection is in .rm format :( |
| 00:16.38 | JordiGH | xsdg: Yes, I know this. |
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| 00:16.42 | karsten | branstrom: echo "/etc/init.d/ssh start" | at now + 10 minutes |
| 00:16.45 | mike | me 2 |
| 00:16.48 | abrotman | so try it without it :) |
| 00:16.51 | shogunx | xsdg 2.6.22 should change much of that, though. |
| 00:16.56 | stoned | mike: you too? |
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| 00:17.02 | branstrom | karsten, wow thanks |
| 00:17.03 | JordiGH | abrotman: I'm trying to figure out how to try in the first place. :-) |
| 00:17.04 | xsdg | shogunx: do I want to know? :o) |
| 00:17.04 | JPQ | wake up :0 |
| 00:17.09 | karsten | branstrom: ... or similar |
| 00:17.14 | mike | I hate the wrapper |
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| 00:17.20 | stoned | why? |
| 00:17.39 | xsdg | JordiGH: does it suggest anything? (the non-ndis page) |
| 00:17.40 | branstrom | karsten, that was surprisingly beautiful for a linux command |
| 00:17.43 | mike | stoned: There needs to be more linux support |
| 00:17.44 | xsdg | in terms of drivers |
| 00:17.51 | cafuego | Hmm, i think the included readme lists the 32bit codces, that seems wrong. |
| 00:17.51 | mike | "drivers" |
| 00:17.57 | stoned | mike: I agree |
| 00:18.04 | JordiGH | xsdg: No. I've only found one that says so (already linked to it way, way up there). It just says that Debian supports it natively. |
| 00:18.15 | branstrom | not compared to any other OS's commands, but anyways :P |
| 00:18.20 | shogunx | xsdg new 80211 stack int he kernel should eliminate that whole mess in the long run. |
| 00:18.25 | stoned | rm -rf /bin/laden |
| 00:18.33 | stoned | yeh thas right :) |
| 00:18.37 | mike | lol |
| 00:18.54 | stoned | or you could be more romantic |
| 00:19.01 | stoned | 'make love' |
| 00:19.06 | xsdg | JordiGH: linked to it where? I just did a lastlog and don't see a link |
| 00:19.11 | stoned | make: *** No rule to make target `love'. Stop. |
| 00:19.13 | stoned | :D |
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| 00:19.16 | JordiGH | http://www.ciao.co.uk/Linksys_Wireless_G_Notebook_Adapter_With_SRX_WPC54GX__Review_5595079 |
| 00:19.19 | branstrom | karsten, -bash: at: command not found |
| 00:19.20 | shogunx | stoned that should be make -j2 :) |
| 00:19.23 | JordiGH | xsdg: ^^ |
| 00:19.26 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:19.54 | branstrom | well I'll google this part, don't bother |
| 00:20.11 | cafuego | stoned: Well, my mplayer appears to play some old rm files i found. |
| 00:20.12 | stoned | shogunx: apt-get install funny-manpages && man condom |
| 00:20.34 | JordiGH | condom has a manpage? |
| 00:20.46 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.50 | stoned | hehehe |
| 00:20.51 | shogunx | JordiGH go to http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl and follow the instructions... the output will give you the driver you need for the card |
| 00:20.57 | karsten | branstrom: aptitude install at |
| 00:21.06 | branstrom | Ah :) |
| 00:21.20 | cafuego | old news episodes... reporting the US are about 10km from Baghdad |
| 00:21.38 | JordiGH | shogunx: Thanks. Let me try. |
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| 00:22.20 | branstrom | stoned, ;D |
| 00:22.20 | kombi | what package has mysql.h? |
| 00:22.31 | cafuego | libmysqlclient1{2,4,5}-dev |
| 00:22.39 | kombi | cafuego: thanks! |
| 00:22.46 | shogunx | stoned if [ "$GIRLFRIEND" = "/dev/null"]; then grep hottie /dev/nightclub else sleep |
| 00:23.09 | JordiGH | shogunx: No driver listed there for my card. :-( |
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| 00:23.35 | shogunx | JordiGH, was the card in when you did the lspci? |
| 00:24.10 | shogunx | like, did it show in the list? |
| 00:24.10 | JordiGH | shogunx: Yes, I see the card listed in the result, just no driver for it. |
| 00:24.10 | shogunx | hmm. |
| 00:24.10 | JordiGH | shogunx: Is that your page? |
| 00:24.17 | Smerdyakov | I just did a dist-upgrade, and now I find that X is using an absurdly low resolution, and I don't seem to be able to change it with "Desktop->Preferences->Screen Resolution." Is this a known problem? |
| 00:24.37 | branstrom | karsten, at depends on an MTA? Argh :) |
| 00:25.00 | branstrom | I'm not gonna go for that now, I'll just place the restart command in cron.hourly |
| 00:25.00 | karsten | branstrom: Yeah, at & cron use the MTA to report job completion status back to you. |
| 00:25.24 | karsten | branstrom: Install exim4 or postfix, configure for local delivery only if you don't want to deal with them at present. You can reconfigure them later. |
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| 00:25.35 | JordiGH | Smerdyakov: You're on testing, unstable, what? |
| 00:25.53 | Smerdyakov | JordiGH, testing. |
| 00:26.24 | JordiGH | Smerdyakov: Well, then not a known issue, since that hasn't happened to with the latest X server in testing at the moment. |
| 00:27.00 | abrotman | it could still be known |
| 00:27.04 | JordiGH | Smerdyakov: See if your /etc/xorg.conf mentions higher resolutions and if /var/log/X[tab-complete] gives you information about why the higher resolutions aren't working. |
| 00:27.08 | abrotman | Smerdyakov: which driver? |
| 00:27.22 | shogunx | JordiGH, no its not mine, but i use it quite a bit. |
| 00:27.25 | Smerdyakov | abrotman, how do I find that out? |
| 00:27.35 | abrotman | what card do you have ? |
| 00:27.55 | shogunx | JordiGH, i would recommend something like this for a card with excellent open source drivers: |
| 00:28.00 | shogunx | http://www.fab-corp.com/product.php?productid=16209&cat=266&page=1 |
| 00:28.02 | JordiGH | Smerdyakov: The driver is mentioned in /etc/xorg.conf under Sectiond "Device" corresponding to your card. |
| 00:28.20 | branstrom | Hmm, cron only recommends an MTA... doesn't need it. And postfix and accompanying packages take up 100+ MB, which I won't really have use for, so I'll just go with cron |
| 00:28.22 | Smerdyakov | abrotman, JordiGH, the it's i810. |
| 00:28.27 | Smerdyakov | s/the/then |
| 00:28.34 | JordiGH | shogunx: Shopping for a new card isn't an option at the moment, but thanks for the recommendation. I'll keep it in mind for later. I've been wanting a wireless card with free software support for a while. |
| 00:28.43 | abrotman | shogunx: wtf .. external antenna required ? |
| 00:28.48 | JordiGH | Smerdyakov: I use the same driver. Can't reproduce your problem. |
| 00:28.54 | Smerdyakov | Sub-section display has: Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" |
| 00:28.59 | abrotman | shogunx: how is that card useful ? |
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| 00:29.12 | abrotman | Smerdyakov: paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere |
| 00:29.13 | abrotman | !paste |
| 00:29.13 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 00:29.28 | xsdg | Smerdyakov: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 00:29.46 | xsdg | Smerdyakov: look for lines starting with "(W)" |
| 00:29.53 | shogunx | abrotman, hostap... mostly embedded devices, but a pigtal hanging off a laptop would be no big deal to me. factory wifi antenna are usually substandard. |
| 00:30.06 | abrotman | shogunx: screw that .. buy a card with an antenna |
| 00:30.08 | karsten | branstrom: Your call, I find all of the above useful. 100MB ~= $0.02 in storage these days. |
| 00:30.16 | abrotman | shogunx: there are plenty of prism pcmcia cards |
| 00:30.27 | branstrom | karsten, true |
| 00:31.34 | xsdg | branstrom: exim4-daemon-light + exim4-base installed size is under 3 megs |
| 00:31.49 | bthornton | Hey I'm trying to get a general idea of my disk performance, so I was wondering: would "dd if=bigfile of=/dev/null" (where "bigfile" is about a gig in size of random data) give an accurate benchmark of disk read throughput? |
| 00:31.58 | abrotman | bonnie |
| 00:32.01 | xsdg | (according to apt-cache, for the version I'm running) |
| 00:32.02 | shogunx | abrotman... personal preference on a 2db gain antenna built onto a pcmcia card vs a 9db gain directional, or even omni for $20 more. yep... lots of prisms out there still. |
| 00:32.03 | abrotman | JordiGH: which card is it ? |
| 00:32.15 | abrotman | shogunx: yeah .. it's a laptop .. not a radio station :) |
| 00:32.19 | Smerdyakov | abrotman, here it is: http://paste.debian.net/31492 |
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| 00:32.23 | shogunx | abrotman, and that is really what i was recommending... the prismII/hostyap setup. |
| 00:32.56 | xsdg | branstrom: but you should really have an MTA installed; that's how most non-interactive programs tell you that something is wrong |
| 00:33.08 | karsten | bthornton: Data of some size > your total RAM, so as to avoid caching benefits. Also look at hdparm -T. bonnie++ is the authoritative test. |
| 00:33.16 | JordiGH | abrotman: wpc54gx. I read in that review that it works in Debian without ndiswrapper, and I'm clinging to this hope. |
| 00:33.17 | shogunx | abrotman, seen the pictures of the solarnet yet? its a radio station:) 400mW atheros w/ 25' of lmr-400 and a 48" 12db gain omni. |
| 00:33.31 | JordiGH | abrotman: Unfortunately, everyone else seems to think I need ndiswrapper |
| 00:33.35 | abrotman | JordiGH: did you buy it yet? |
| 00:33.46 | abrotman | Smerdyakov: do you actually have mode lines in your xorg.conf ? |
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| 00:33.55 | bthornton | karsten: ah, so caching might by why my little makeshift "benchmark" is giving radically different results on subsequent trials |
| 00:34.00 | JordiGH | abrotman: I didn't, my friends did a while ago. I'm setting up a lappy for them. |
| 00:34.00 | bthornton | karsten: good call :) |
| 00:34.08 | Smerdyakov | abrotman, yes, the line I pasted. |
| 00:34.10 | abrotman | Smerdyakov: it would appear you're trying to use a refresh value that's way too high |
| 00:34.23 | branstrom | xsdg, aight, I'll go with exim4-daemon-light then |
| 00:34.33 | karsten | branstrom: Yes. |
| 00:34.38 | Smerdyakov | abrotman, so "VertRefresh" should be lower? |
| 00:34.42 | abrotman | JordiGH: when you stick it in ? no beep ? |
| 00:34.52 | abrotman | Smerdyakov: the log says it supports 60hz |
| 00:34.54 | JordiGH | abrotman: No. No sign of life. :-( |
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| 00:35.10 | xsdg | JordiGH: do you have pcmcia-cs installed? (the package) |
| 00:35.10 | abrotman | JordiGH: does lspcmcia show it ? |
| 00:35.15 | Smerdyakov | abrotman, I have "50-80" now. Should I set it to "50-60"? |
| 00:35.19 | flyinprogramer | hey o |
| 00:35.38 | xsdg | JordiGH: err... possibly wrong package; one sec |
| 00:35.40 | abrotman | Smerdyakov: see your paste .. starting around 925 |
| 00:35.59 | JordiGH | No, lspcmcia doesn't show it. |
| 00:36.05 | JordiGH | lspci does, though. |
| 00:36.18 | xsdg | JordiGH: seems you have pcmciautils installed, then, so nm |
| 00:36.37 | JordiGH | xsdg: I have both. |
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| 00:37.30 | abrotman | lspci shows it? |
| 00:37.35 | JordiGH | abrotman: Yes. |
| 00:37.36 | abrotman | JordiGH: is it pcmcia or minipci ? |
| 00:38.07 | Smerdyakov | abrotman, well, thanks. These refresh settings were set by the company that sold me the computer, and they've worked for years. I guess X got pickier. :-) |
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| 00:39.31 | JordiGH | abrotman: Er. I don't know. It's a card that connects to the side of the laptop. Looks like minipci. |
| 00:39.44 | abrotman | that's pcmcia |
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| 00:40.21 | JordiGH | abrotman: That's weird. Then why would lspci show it but not lspcmcia? |
| 00:40.45 | abrotman | the computer hates you |
| 00:40.54 | JordiGH | :-( |
| 00:41.03 | docta_v | i'm trying to run apt-mirror against an i386 repo from an amd64 system |
| 00:41.08 | abrotman | if i could marry that cheese .. i would .. |
| 00:41.15 | docta_v | apt-mirror is complaining it can't find an amd64 Packages.gz file |
| 00:41.20 | JordiGH | Hm, why is lspcmcia an sbin? |
| 00:41.32 | JordiGH | I guess it must be an important binary. |
| 00:41.43 | branstrom | karsten, while installing I keep getting "dpkg: error processing udev (--configure):" |
| 00:41.52 | branstrom | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 00:42.36 | branstrom | Where would that post-installation script be, so I can check what's wrong with it? |
| 00:42.44 | JordiGH | Heh, nice monologue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=457681 |
| 00:42.54 | JordiGH | In ubuntuforums, nobody can hear you scream. |
| 00:43.29 | flyinprogramer | anyone in here use Zope ? |
| 00:44.03 | JordiGH | branstrom: The scripts are inside the dotdeb itself. You can browse it with any archiving program, since a dotdeb is in ar format. |
| 00:44.40 | branstrom | Hm. I'm installing with aptitude, so where would I look? |
| 00:44.51 | abrotman | branstrom: put a "set -x" at the beginning of /var/lib/dpkg/info/udev.postinst |
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| 00:45.06 | branstrom | set -x, which does what exactly? |
| 00:45.10 | xsdg | abrotman: it might re-unpack it before running it again |
| 00:45.17 | xsdg | branstrom: (prints each command before it is run) |
| 00:45.41 | abrotman | xsdg: it might |
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| 00:47.53 | JordiGH | Hm, everyone seems to say to use ndiswrapper. Le sigh. |
| 00:48.05 | stoned | oh man |
| 00:48.05 | xsdg | JordiGH: :o/ |
| 00:48.46 | stoned | I posted an ad on craigs list that I'll fix your pc and stuff. this dude called me and its a done deal. He'll drop off his pc in a day and I'll fix it for $300 smackaroos |
| 00:48.55 | JordiGH | xsdg: So what should I get? ndiswrapper-common, ndiswrapper-utils? |
| 00:49.20 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 00:49.20 | dpkg | i guess ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 00:49.49 | JordiGH | Oy. |
| 00:49.52 | JordiGH | Alrighty. |
| 00:49.53 | branstrom | xsdg, http://branstrom.name/paste-3245.txt |
| 00:50.02 | stoned | and a job interview tomorrow |
| 00:50.13 | flyinprogramer | noice |
| 00:50.13 | stoned | and amd64 too |
| 00:50.19 | stoned | shits looking up man |
| 00:50.21 | flyinprogramer | i'm interning this umma |
| 00:50.28 | flyinprogramer | indeed indeed |
| 00:50.37 | flyinprogramer | mawh |
| 00:50.46 | flyinprogramer | nice HymnToLife |
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| 00:51.36 | xsdg | JordiGH: not sure, sorry; haven't used ndiswrapper in years |
| 00:51.51 | JordiGH | xsdg: S'ok, dpkg knows. :-) |
| 00:51.58 | JordiGH | Now I have to find the Windows driver.... |
| 00:52.07 | flyinprogramer | ekkk windows |
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| 00:52.21 | branstrom | xsdg, this is it I guess: |
| 00:52.26 | branstrom | /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs: line 155: mktemp: command not found |
| 00:52.34 | branstrom | mktemp should be there, right? |
| 00:52.40 | xsdg | mktemp package |
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| 00:52.46 | branstrom | mmh |
| 00:52.47 | xsdg | branstrom: you should file a bug |
| 00:52.53 | Grenade | MangosDebian: you on ? |
| 00:52.55 | xsdg | because it should either depend or not use it |
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| 00:53.15 | branstrom | xsdg, hmmmmmmm |
| 00:53.15 | branstrom | Okay then, where? |
| 00:53.20 | MangosDebian | Grenade: always... |
| 00:53.34 | Grenade | MangosDebian: www.grenadestudios.com |
| 00:53.40 | vipernicus | easytag: Depends: libflac7 but it is not installable <- with debian unstable, i'm new to this, do i file a bug report, it's been nearly a week uninstallable |
| 00:53.51 | MangosDebian | Grenade: is it important? im in the middle of a good movie here man :) |
| 00:54.04 | Grenade | MangosDebian: nope. not important |
| 00:54.10 | xsdg | branstrom: `reportbug` package is what I use; there are others |
| 00:54.27 | xsdg | branstrom: it can probably wait, though |
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| 00:55.02 | MangosDebian | Grenade: heh, nice. grats. how you liking debian so far? |
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| 00:55.36 | Grenade | MangosDebian: yup, i cant figure out why firefox is called iceweasel though |
| 00:55.49 | Ronin | !iceweasel |
| 00:55.49 | dpkg | i guess iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 00:56.14 | JPQ | LAWDY LAWD |
| 00:56.18 | JPQ | ICE WEASEL IT IS |
| 00:56.21 | Grenade | MangosDebian: i even have ntp working finally !!! |
| 00:56.38 | MangosDebian | Grenade: cool. lot easier than compiling your own huh |
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| 00:57.16 | Grenade | MangosDebian: yeah i guess, woulda just been nice if they threw an init script in there though |
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| 00:57.30 | JordiGH | Y'know how Ubuntu has a nice little thing that sits in the system tray and lists available networks and allows you to connect to whichever one you want? Is that an Ubuntu-only thing or do we have it on this side of the fence too? |
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| 00:58.04 | JordiGH | I thought it was network-manager and derivatives, but if that's indeed it, it looks a little different from its Ubuntu counterprat. |
| 00:58.07 | JordiGH | part |
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| 01:00.56 | branstrom | karsten, how do I list at-jobs? |
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| 01:01.42 | MangosDebian | branstrom: atq perhaps? |
| 01:01.44 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: It is network-mangler |
| 01:01.45 | magyar | hi, which package do I haveto dpkg-reconfig to get locale settings? |
| 01:01.58 | MangosDebian | branstrom: along with atrm? been a while. man at |
| 01:02.08 | JordiGH | h3sp4wn: Uh, you mean network-manager? |
| 01:02.09 | hermogenes | magyar: locales |
| 01:02.14 | branstrom | Yes, sorry, shoulda checked man |
| 01:02.19 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: It mangles networks |
| 01:02.21 | MangosDebian | branstrom: np heh |
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| 01:02.34 | JordiGH | h3sp4wn: Oh. Cute. |
| 01:02.45 | magyar | hermogenes: "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is not installed" |
| 01:03.02 | abrotman | install it ? |
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| 01:03.55 | [PSyKo] | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.55 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: Anything that attempts to predict what I want seems to get it wrong more often than not (i.e network manager) |
| 01:03.57 | [PSyKo] | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.01 | [PSyKo] | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.04 | hermogenes | magyar: apt-cache policy locales |
| 01:04.05 | [PSyKo] | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.07 | [PSyKo] | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.08 | Guerin | [PSyKo]: and your keyboard |
| 01:04.09 | [PSyKo] | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.11 | [PSyKo] | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.14 | abrotman | !ops [PSyKo] |
| 01:04.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: [PSyKo] |
| 01:04.15 | [PSyKo] | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.17 | [PSyKo] | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.21 | [PSyKo] | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.22 | RichiH | [PSyKo]: ? |
| 01:04.23 | [PSyKo] | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.25 | [PSyKo] | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.27 | MangosDebian | !ops [PSyKo] |
| 01:04.27 | [PSyKo] | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: mangosdebian complains about: [PSyKo] |
| 01:04.28 | magyar | abrotman: isn't it part of the OS (default)? |
| 01:04.29 | [PSyKo] | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.29 | Guerin | RichiH: you need to ask? |
| 01:04.31 | [PSyKo] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:04.54 | Guerin | !wine RichiH |
| 01:05.01 | abrotman | magyar: you come in here with all sorts of odd questions .. i'm sure you got it off your system somehow |
| 01:05.01 | MangosDebian | sorry abrotman didnt see your !ops |
| 01:05.07 | abrotman | don't apologize to me |
| 01:05.12 | JordiGH | Alright. ndiswrapper installed, ndiswrapper says the driver is installed too. What now? |
| 01:05.28 | Guerin | JordiGH: now you throw the fucker out and get a real card |
| 01:05.39 | Guerin | actually, that should have been step 1 |
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| 01:05.42 | JordiGH | Guerin: Not an option at the moment, although I would love to. |
| 01:06.00 | magyar | hermogenes: thanks a bunch |
| 01:06.04 | JordiGH | Guerin: I'm tryin got get some friends' lappy working. |
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| 01:06.12 | Guerin | JordiGH: you have my condolences. |
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| 01:06.24 | hermogenes | magyar: you welcome |
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| 01:07.14 | magyar | hermogenes: i guess i zapped it somehow :) |
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| 01:08.15 | hermogenes | JordiGH: now you do: ndiswrapper-1.9 -i driver.inf |
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| 01:09.08 | JordiGH | hermogenes: Right, done that. |
| 01:09.13 | JordiGH | hermogenes: And then ndiswrapper -m ? |
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| 01:10.00 | hermogenes | JordiGH: now: ndiswrapper-1.9 -l |
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| 01:10.15 | hermogenes | JordiGH: see if its installed |
| 01:10.46 | JordiGH | hermogenes: Looks like it is. |
| 01:10.56 | JordiGH | Well, *something* is installed. |
| 01:12.00 | branstrom | xsdg, severity of this bug I uncovered just now, what would you rate it as? "serious" I guess? |
| 01:12.14 | abrotman | busticated! |
| 01:12.17 | hermogenes | JordiGH: check if ndiswrapper is listed in /etc/modules |
| 01:12.58 | JordiGH | hermogenes: Oh, it isn't. Let me put it there. |
| 01:13.41 | JordiGH | hermogenes: I just modprobed it. |
| 01:13.48 | JordiGH | And put it there to be loaded at boot time. |
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| 01:15.29 | sputnick | tchuss |
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| 01:15.51 | hermogenes | JordiGH: I guess the next step is to configure the network |
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| 01:16.16 | JordiGH | hermogenes: Any tool to me help me do that? |
| 01:16.35 | JordiGH | And shouldn't the card lights be blinking already? It isn't. :-( |
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| 01:16.59 | abrotman | depends on the card |
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| 01:18.15 | JordiGH | Hm. Do I need to mess around with /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 01:19.18 | hermogenes | JordiGH: i dont know any tool. maybe you would want to edit some text files as described here: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/401 |
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| 01:22.39 | hermogenes | JordiGH: Actually, there's no /etc/network/interfaces editing described in the link that I gave you... I think it was the wrong link |
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| 01:25.24 | JordiGH | Hm. ndiswrapper didn't create a wlan0 device. Or any other as far as I can see. |
| 01:25.41 | Guerin | JordiGH: seek help from the vendor |
| 01:26.44 | JordiGH | Guerin: What, linksys? I think I've read in forums online they tell you to fuck off as soon as you mention the L word. ;-) |
| 01:27.00 | Guerin | JordiGH: that seems like a fair and just response. |
| 01:28.35 | JordiGH | ping |
| 01:28.43 | JordiGH | !test |
| 01:28.43 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 01:28.45 | JordiGH | Thx. |
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| 01:33.30 | branstrom | When I do "/etc/init.d/ssh stop; sshd --verbose" nothing happens, it seems like sshd just quits |
| 01:34.08 | bzed | you need to add a -D if you want to have it in the foreground |
| 01:34.15 | bzed | otherwise it'll detach and run as daemon |
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| 01:34.39 | bronaugh | hmm; I'm trying to install Debian on a 5T RAID array. |
| 01:34.39 | bzed | branstrom: also there's no --verbose afaik |
| 01:34.45 | branstrom | Hmm |
| 01:34.50 | bronaugh | Grub dies horribly, saying it can't read the stage1 file. |
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| 01:34.54 | bzed | branstrom: -ddd is what you want |
| 01:35.00 | branstrom | Now there's four sshd processes in the background |
| 01:35.01 | bronaugh | grub2 installs, but instantly reboots when you try to boot from it :P |
| 01:35.01 | bzed | bronaugh: you want to create a boot partition |
| 01:35.11 | bronaugh | bzed: yes, which I did. |
| 01:35.14 | branstrom | -ddd? Not -D? |
| 01:35.20 | bzed | branstrom: both |
| 01:35.21 | branstrom | I checked the man page |
| 01:35.26 | branstrom | What's -ddd? |
| 01:35.37 | bzed | branstrom: read the manpage again |
| 01:35.42 | branstrom | yah |
| 01:35.44 | bronaugh | ok, it's using GPT |
| 01:35.48 | bzed | bronaugh: that;s interesting |
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| 01:35.58 | bzed | eww ok |
| 01:36.05 | bronaugh | so what boot loader does gpt right now? |
| 01:36.11 | bzed | on the otherside... do you really need to install it on the 5TB storage? |
| 01:36.12 | bronaugh | I can see why grub is dying horribly. |
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| 01:36.33 | bzed | imho you want to split your storage into appropriate parts |
| 01:36.47 | branstrom | What will happen if I just kill the four sshd processes? I will get thrown out? |
| 01:36.50 | bzed | and gpt reminds me on EFI |
| 01:36.57 | bronaugh | yeah, it's what EFI uses. |
| 01:37.01 | bzed | bronaugh: are you on IA64? |
| 01:37.07 | bronaugh | nope, amd64. |
| 01:37.14 | bronaugh | with a standard PC-BIOS unfortunately. |
| 01:37.15 | bzed | why do you have a gpt then? |
| 01:37.29 | bronaugh | because the PC BIOS partition table dies a horrible death at the 2T mark. |
| 01:38.00 | bronaugh | and also because that's what the Debian installer did :P |
| 01:38.04 | bzed | branstrom: which kind of storage are you using? |
| 01:38.20 | bzed | branstrom: kill the right one ;) |
| 01:38.23 | branstrom | Storage? |
| 01:38.36 | bzed | branstrom: which kind of storage are you using? << that was for bronaugh |
| 01:39.01 | branstrom | I'll try killing them all, I've got at set to restart sshd in a while |
| 01:39.15 | bronaugh | bzed: it's a 16-port Promise card based on the IOP331 or 341 chip (can't remember right now) |
| 01:39.22 | bronaugh | bzed: it has 12 500G sata disks attached. |
| 01:39.26 | bronaugh | raid6. |
| 01:39.32 | bzed | bronaugh: create several raid sets then |
| 01:39.35 | bzed | small sets |
| 01:39.40 | Grenade | does anyone know if ddr2-667 ram will work well or at least not blow anything up in a ddr-333 equipped laptop |
| 01:39.44 | bronaugh | that's a goat solution. |
| 01:39.51 | bzed | bronaugh: and use lvm to concatenate them again |
| 01:40.07 | Guerin | Grenade: no guarantees. With luck it'll just not boot. |
| 01:40.09 | bronaugh | yup, I thought about that. however, I'd still rather just have the one big set. |
| 01:40.13 | bzed | will also be the faster solution, as you can stripe your volumes across the raidsets |
| 01:40.37 | bronaugh | I don't see how it's going to be faster. |
| 01:41.12 | bzed | depends on your controller and if it is faster on calculating parity and stuff on a fwe disks or on all disks at once |
| 01:41.47 | bzed | bronaugh: I'd also not install the system together with the data on the raidsets |
| 01:42.04 | bzed | more easy to migrate the data to a different machine if the system is not on the same disks |
| 01:42.15 | bzed | and you don;t need a aprtition table as you can use the whole disks with lvm |
| 01:42.43 | bronaugh | ok, re suggestion #1: are you going to have the same data integrity guarantees as raid6? |
| 01:42.48 | bzed | just add 2 sata or pata disks to the machine and run a software raid across them |
| 01:42.54 | bzed | and put the data on them |
| 01:43.09 | bronaugh | I could sw raid this setup too. |
| 01:43.20 | bzed | bronaugh: if you have several raid6 sets below it, then yes |
| 01:43.22 | bzed | no |
| 01:43.39 | bzed | don;t use sw raid for such a storage if you ahve a not too bad controller |
| 01:43.53 | bzed | better just add 2x120G or so as system disk |
| 01:44.11 | bzed | and use the whole large part for LVM |
| 01:44.12 | bronaugh | I'm not going to worry -too- much about system vs data here. |
| 01:44.21 | bronaugh | if I need more storage, I'll add more machines. |
| 01:44.31 | bronaugh | or add another 4 drives to my raid6 set. |
| 01:45.25 | bzed | do you need to use the full disks for the raid? |
| 01:45.33 | bzed | or can you use parts of them with your controller? |
| 01:45.46 | bronaugh | I really have no idea. I haven't even touched the controller's firmware yet. |
| 01:45.56 | bronaugh | the person who built the machine initialized the array. |
| 01:46.26 | bzed | you could just create a 20G (or more, depending on what you need) raid6 for the system and use the rest for your storage |
| 01:46.34 | bzed | good controllers support that |
| 01:46.49 | bronaugh | yeah. |
| 01:46.55 | bronaugh | alternatively we can go back to the /boot suggestion. |
| 01:46.59 | bronaugh | and yeah, I'm pretty sure this one would. |
| 01:47.37 | bzed | bronaugh: I still prefer to split system and data |
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| 01:47.53 | bronaugh | ok, but if you're splitting it without the storage being physically divided, that's not much of a split, is it? |
| 01:48.04 | bronaugh | ie, I don't see a point. |
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| 01:48.26 | bzed | enouh split to be able to mess with the sytem drive without messing with the data |
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| 01:48.32 | bzed | imagine you want to reinstall the machine |
| 01:49.06 | bzed | if the data is on the same drive as the system, and you fuck up your partition table... what are you going to do? |
| 01:49.24 | bronaugh | so I'll fuck with /home, install onto that from within a chroot, then install from that back onto the main drive. |
| 01:49.27 | bzed | or even worse, if you have one partition for all - how to format it |
| 01:49.44 | bronaugh | I won't fuck with the partition table :P |
| 01:49.49 | bzed | seems you like it ocmplicated |
| 01:49.57 | bronaugh | yeah, but this way I don't touch the partition table. |
| 01:49.58 | bronaugh | :P |
| 01:50.09 | bzed | I can really recommend to split system and data :) |
| 01:50.18 | bzed | and now I recommend myself to go to bed :) good night |
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| 01:50.24 | bronaugh | sounds good. and thanks for the advice. |
| 01:50.32 | simonrvn | i'd split them... makes logical sense to me |
| 01:51.18 | yetifoot | hi, i am trying to help someone who doesn't have a net connection at home, he needs to install libxext-dev, but is getting circular dependency problems. How do i get dpkg/apt to echo what all the dependencies are for a package, so i can tell him exactly what files he needs, and give him a dpkg -i line? |
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| 01:52.54 | simonrvn | yetifoot: apt-cache rdepends e.g. |
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| 01:53.05 | yetifoot | simonrvn, thanks, i'll look into that |
| 01:53.15 | bronaugh | simonrvn: besides the "makes sense" argument, what other arguments do you have? |
| 01:53.23 | simonrvn | man apt-cache gives you more stuff to work with |
| 01:53.47 | yetifoot | simonrvn, this looks good, thanks |
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| 01:54.31 | simonrvn | well bzed echoed what i think about that, i won't rehash it.... for something like that, IMO it's the right thing to do for so many reasons. gotta think long term with that kind of storage |
| 01:55.24 | simonrvn | i'm working from a theory-only POV, since i've never seen that kind of storage up close, but that's how i'd handle it |
| 01:55.24 | bronaugh | not really. |
| 01:55.35 | bronaugh | I could fill it up in a week. |
| 01:55.52 | bronaugh | that's the scary bad part. |
| 01:55.53 | simonrvn | that's not what i mean by long-term |
| 01:56.37 | bronaugh | ok, can you explain what you mean then? |
| 01:57.05 | simonrvn | exactly as it is in a dictionary, and what i said: "think long term" |
| 01:57.25 | dondelelcaro | what kind of raid card allows the bios to see what is attached to the raid? |
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| 01:57.47 | simonrvn | sw raid surely not ;) |
| 01:58.35 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: it doesn't. it simply has problems because although the BIOS can read the MBR just fine (and is afaik dumb about partitions) grub/lilo/etc are also dumb about gpt. |
| 01:58.47 | bronaugh | which causes a few problems with the whole "booting" concep.t |
| 01:59.04 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: why don't you just boot off of a smaller drive? |
| 01:59.15 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: a) single point of failure (so you need to raid1 it) |
| 01:59.17 | bronaugh | b) don't have one |
| 01:59.20 | bronaugh | c) no more drive bays |
| 01:59.33 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: so make two logical drives from your raid controller |
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| 02:00.07 | terr_ | Is theree a filter to remove unprintable characters ffrom a binary fiile so it can be viewed with less? |
| 02:00.08 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: that's a workaround. gpt's on the horizon anyhow. why leave something messy? |
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| 02:00.21 | Guerin | terr_: no |
| 02:00.26 | Guerin | terr_: well |
| 02:00.27 | bronaugh | I dunno, I guess that's my view on "why not split" |
| 02:00.30 | Guerin | it doesn't work that way |
| 02:00.33 | bronaugh | just makes a mess. |
| 02:00.36 | Guerin | terr_: you can use `strings' |
| 02:00.47 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: it's not all that messy actually. Splitting out the OS from the data is pretty standard, actually. |
| 02:00.54 | terr_ | Guerin: good idea |
| 02:01.13 | bronaugh | dondelelcaro: and now we're back to my argument of "if they're on the same array there's not much point anyhow" |
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| 02:01.24 | bronaugh | since you have no separation of data and OS in reality. |
| 02:01.36 | terr_ | Guerin: works beautifully |
| 02:01.40 | dondelelcaro | bronaugh: there's definetly a point; even logical separation is useful. It's the same reason why drives are partitions |
| 02:01.47 | dondelelcaro | s/partitions/partioned/ |
| 02:02.13 | bronaugh | yeah, but what's the chance the RAID controller will a) eat a logical drive at all, or b) eat only 1? |
| 02:02.25 | bronaugh | OS is a much more likely culprit. |
| 02:03.20 | MangosDebian | how goes the debate? i miss any good parts? |
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| 02:04.26 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: not really. |
| 02:04.48 | bronaugh | I'll be seen as being a stickler for idealism over practicality, and all will be right in the world. |
| 02:05.03 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; if you want to wait for gpt, go ahead. splitting it will work today. |
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| 02:05.16 | bronaugh | found a patch that'll let grub work today, too. |
| 02:05.35 | bronaugh | and my gross /boot on PC partition table solution may also work :P |
| 02:05.49 | MangosDebian | gpt? |
| 02:06.28 | bronaugh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table |
| 02:06.34 | bronaugh | EFI shit that is sneaking its way into everything. |
| 02:06.42 | MangosDebian | oh |
| 02:06.48 | bronaugh | PC BIOS part table falls on its ass at the 2TB mark. |
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| 02:07.09 | bronaugh | 1TB disks currently on the market... it's only a matter of time. |
| 02:07.14 | bronaugh | and not much, at that. |
| 02:07.32 | MangosDebian | your trying to put all 2tb in one fs i assume? |
| 02:08.04 | bronaugh | all 5T? no. |
| 02:08.06 | bronaugh | I have separate /home (4.9T), /var, /, /boot, and swap parts. |
| 02:08.24 | MangosDebian | wow, thats one big /home heh |
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| 02:08.33 | bronaugh | *shrug* it's where I'm putting the data. |
| 02:08.46 | MangosDebian | why not just make bind mounts? |
| 02:09.08 | bronaugh | and glue it together that way? simpler this way. |
| 02:09.08 | MangosDebian | like put /home and /var and stuff all on the 4.9tb and bind mount them in place |
| 02:09.10 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: bind mounts won't do anything particularly useful there. |
| 02:09.35 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: I've found in the past that it can be a very good thing to separate your stuff into different partitions. |
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| 02:09.49 | MangosDebian | sorry, i missed the bulk of the conversation, don't mean for you to repeat it all for me |
| 02:10.02 | bronaugh | nah, it's OK. |
| 02:10.16 | wfq | how could I know what command I am allowed to execute by using sudo if I can edit the /etc/sudoers? |
| 02:10.17 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: i assume you running into size limits then? not organization issues? |
| 02:10.30 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: yeah, size limits. |
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| 02:11.04 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: i take it your /home cant address the full ~5tb? |
| 02:11.10 | bronaugh | no no. |
| 02:11.13 | bronaugh | grub won't let me boot. |
| 02:11.18 | bronaugh | because it doesn't know about gpt. |
| 02:11.21 | MangosDebian | aahh |
| 02:11.25 | bronaugh | grub 1 doesn't install, grub 2 reboots when I try to boot. |
| 02:11.31 | bronaugh | and lilo doesn't seem to want to install either. |
| 02:11.47 | MangosDebian | i take it you cant use a smaller standard drive for booting? |
| 02:11.59 | MangosDebian | until kernel takes over that is |
| 02:12.01 | wfq | I mean, if i cat the file i get the permission restrinctions |
| 02:12.02 | bronaugh | not easily, because a) I don't have one, and b) I need two. |
| 02:12.15 | MangosDebian | use a cdrom :) |
| 02:12.17 | bronaugh | and c) I don't have an easy way to mount another 2 disks in this machine. |
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| 02:12.24 | bronaugh | actually, one suggestion was a USB stick P |
| 02:12.25 | bronaugh | :P |
| 02:12.28 | bronaugh | for /boot |
| 02:12.36 | bronaugh | and that -would- work, I just consider it a little ugly. |
| 02:12.43 | MangosDebian | even better. i prefer static kernel though. more trustworthy |
| 02:12.55 | bronaugh | I prefer not having to build my own. |
| 02:12.57 | MangosDebian | least you can swap out a cdrom/usb in a hurry if needed |
| 02:13.07 | bronaugh | built at least 100 kernels, gets boring after a while. |
| 02:13.17 | MangosDebian | actually, i just made one with mkisofs, worked like a charm, and its only like 7mb |
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| 02:13.33 | bronaugh | yeah, USB key isn't the worst idea for /boot |
| 02:13.41 | bronaugh | don't happen to have one of those either though :P |
| 02:13.47 | bronaugh | and there's always the PEBKAC risk |
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| 02:14.01 | MangosDebian | pebkac? |
| 02:14.19 | bronaugh | problem exists between keyboard and chair |
| 02:14.27 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 02:14.57 | bronaugh | basically, if coworker grabs it... yeah. |
| 02:15.00 | MangosDebian | well, if you go usb, make sure you can write protect it, else I suggest cdrom (cdrw to test) |
| 02:15.03 | bronaugh | not a particularly fun scenario. |
| 02:15.15 | MangosDebian | least with a usb you can remove it once booted, but then you loose unattended boots |
| 02:15.15 | bronaugh | CDROMs run a serious risk of mechanical failure. |
| 02:15.19 | bronaugh | I don't like them. |
| 02:15.26 | MangosDebian | not if they are spun down for their lifetime |
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| 02:15.35 | bronaugh | they still get dust on the lens. |
| 02:15.45 | bronaugh | and other bad shit happens, like the media self destructing. |
| 02:15.50 | cplx_- | hi guys, ive got a bit of a query.. basically; |
| 02:16.13 | MangosDebian | but your gonna get hardware failures anyways. how important is your downtime/uptime? |
| 02:16.32 | metbsd | downtime is serious |
| 02:16.40 | bronaugh | well, it'd be nice if a power failure for 20 minutes doesn't result in the machine being down the entire weekend. |
| 02:16.43 | cplx_- | I run an ftp server, with 777 perms (chmod -R 777 *) - When a user uploads a file, the permissions are diff for that file.. how do i make it so whenever a file is uploaded the permissions remain the same (777) |
| 02:16.47 | MangosDebian | really, if its that big of a deal, you should have dual PSU's, UPS's, a secondary machine and external raid |
| 02:16.55 | bronaugh | cplx_-: set the umask |
| 02:17.14 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: external raid is a silly idea, and it costs more. |
| 02:17.28 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: but is the cost of downtime more than the cost of external? |
| 02:17.31 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: wrt dual PSUs, I made sure that I have a very good single PSU |
| 02:17.35 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: no. |
| 02:17.45 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: and I have a UPS. |
| 02:18.17 | MangosDebian | better practice moving hardware between machines then if it fails |
| 02:18.32 | bronaugh | anyhow, cost is (unfortunately) a driver here :/ |
| 02:18.33 | MangosDebian | i would suggest hotswap drive bays in two machines at least |
| 02:18.48 | cplx_- | bronaugh: yeah.. im not sure on how to do this.. can u explain a bit more? |
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| 02:19.10 | MangosDebian | cplx_-: depends on the server daemon |
| 02:19.12 | bronaugh | cplx_-: read the man page for your ftp server. it should be pretty easy to set in the config. |
| 02:19.34 | cplx_- | bronaugh: please can u assist just this time, im flat out doing 5 other things, configuring bind, exim etc |
| 02:19.38 | cplx_- | please buddy |
| 02:19.49 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 02:19.57 | bronaugh | cplx_-: no,I can't. |
| 02:20.04 | bronaugh | cplx_-: I can point you in the right direction, but that's it. |
| 02:20.11 | MangosDebian | pick a task and finish it, then you will have time to finish your ftp config |
| 02:20.26 | cplx_- | bronaugh: so its set in the ftp config? |
| 02:20.54 | cplx_- | Umask 022 022 |
| 02:20.57 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: so i take it this is hardware raid then for obvious reasons |
| 02:21.06 | bronaugh | cplx_-: you understand umasks, yes? |
| 02:21.15 | cplx_- | not overly.. |
| 02:21.20 | MangosDebian | why is there 022 twice? |
| 02:21.34 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: yeah, mostly because it's hard to get a decent 8-port or greater controller without going to a RAID card that doesn't suck. |
| 02:21.44 | cplx_- | MangosDebian: thats what is in proftpd.conf |
| 02:21.51 | bronaugh | cplx_-: perms = 777 - umask |
| 02:21.59 | bronaugh | cplx_-: roughly speaking. |
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| 02:22.08 | bronaugh | it's actually. perms = 777 & ~umask |
| 02:22.13 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: and your not willing to take 2 drives dedicated to booting mirrord i take it? |
| 02:22.20 | bronaugh | but IIRC the statements are equivalent. |
| 02:22.29 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: mostly because I don't have them. |
| 02:22.48 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: I'm also not willing to waste a terabyte on that. |
| 02:22.58 | cplx_- | bronaugh: so id set "Umask 777 777 |
| 02:22.58 | cplx_- | ? |
| 02:23.09 | bronaugh | cplx_-: read what I said again. |
| 02:23.19 | bronaugh | perms = 777 - umask |
| 02:23.26 | bronaugh | so if you set umask to 777, what would you get? |
| 02:23.28 | bronaugh | for perms? |
| 02:23.50 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: well, it would somewhat solve your problem. and nothing wrong with having a 1tb set aside for the system. can mirror whole distribution, source and binary which plenty of space to spare for logs, web pages and such |
| 02:24.02 | bronaugh | ok, lilo -apparently- works... hmmm |
| 02:24.07 | cplx_- | drwxrwxrwx ? |
| 02:24.18 | bronaugh | cplx_-: stop. think. |
| 02:24.35 | cplx_- | bronaugh: i am thinking.. im not sure :\ |
| 02:24.39 | bronaugh | you know what 777 is right? |
| 02:24.49 | bronaugh | in terms of rwx perms? |
| 02:24.55 | bronaugh | what's 755? |
| 02:24.55 | cplx_- | yeh |
| 02:25.07 | bronaugh | if perms = 755, what's umask? |
| 02:25.08 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: the upside as well is if you use lvm, you can toss the bulk of that 1tb thats left over into the main volume your 4tb is in and use is like nothing was missing |
| 02:25.21 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: yeah, except it'll behave funny. |
| 02:25.26 | cplx_- | rwxrwxrxrx |
| 02:25.29 | branstrom | Hm, what command do I run to display network details like the hostname of the machine? |
| 02:25.30 | cplx_- | oops |
| 02:25.42 | cplx_- | 755 perms = rwxr-xr-x |
| 02:25.43 | bronaugh | cplx_-: close enough, I get the idea. |
| 02:25.45 | bronaugh | yeah. |
| 02:25.50 | bronaugh | so now the 3rd q |
| 02:26.10 | H2S04 | hello |
| 02:26.11 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: funny? how so? lvm been good to me these years. and at least you can shrink and grow and create/remove volumes as you need space. only a minor overhead |
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| 02:26.42 | waltercool | hi there... i have a VIP question, google dont give me an answer... |
| 02:26.42 | cplx_- | if perms = 755 |
| 02:26.44 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: different parts of the drive will perform significantly differently, and have different reliability guarantees, etc. |
| 02:26.45 | cplx_- | 644? |
| 02:26.55 | bronaugh | cplx_-: where did you get that? |
| 02:26.55 | waltercool | can i transform an kubuntu to debian native? |
| 02:27.02 | cplx_- | haha worked it out :s |
| 02:27.05 | bronaugh | cplx_-: rearrange the equation perms = 755 - umask |
| 02:27.18 | bronaugh | err 777 - umask |
| 02:27.25 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: how will lvm affect the reliability? |
| 02:27.26 | cplx_- | 666 |
| 02:27.27 | bronaugh | so that umask is on the other side |
| 02:27.35 | cplx_- | ? |
| 02:27.39 | cplx_- | umask 666 |
| 02:27.57 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: well, you're glueing together two drives using mirroring.. so immediately you throw 500G of storage out. |
| 02:28.31 | cplx_- | bronaugh: umask 666 666 - how does that look? |
| 02:28.36 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: oh, your controller doesnt let you just mirror |
| 02:28.39 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: next, both sets will sustain a single drive failure without issue, but only the raid6 will sustain a 2 drive failure. |
| 02:28.40 | MangosDebian | oops not finished |
| 02:28.51 | bronaugh | cplx_-: bad. |
| 02:29.05 | cplx_- | bronaugh: well then i dont understand.. |
| 02:29.16 | bronaugh | cplx_-: did you take algebra in school? |
| 02:29.23 | wfq | hey guys, I have got a doubt really important and urgent. If you had to install a software in a server which you've got a normal user available in, and you can't use sudo nor su - and you need to use some root's command, How could you manage youservels to do it then? |
| 02:29.32 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: so you degrade reliability and waste storage. |
| 02:29.33 | cplx_- | bronaugh: no |
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| 02:29.35 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: I don't see a win here. |
| 02:29.36 | cplx_- | left early |
| 02:29.42 | bronaugh | cplx_-: hah... oookay. |
| 02:29.48 | bronaugh | cplx_-: go back. |
| 02:29.57 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: i was gonna say, why not just create a strip aross all 8 drives for say just the os, maybe 100gig, then the rest goes to your storeage |
| 02:30.00 | bronaugh | cplx_-: seriously. you missed out on some important stuff. |
| 02:30.02 | cplx_- | bronaugh: umask 022 = perms 755 ? |
| 02:30.11 | bronaugh | cplx_-: yeah. you got it. |
| 02:30.26 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: 12 drives. |
| 02:30.28 | karsten | Is 2.6.21 the kernel that's been noted as particularly buggy? |
| 02:30.28 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: ive had a raid card before that let me do just that. and the bios see's the smaller drive as just the size i set |
| 02:30.50 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: and that's not a terrible idea, other than that then I have to let the machine run all night rebuilding the array. |
| 02:30.56 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: well still, you should be able to strip across the 12 drives, once for your tiny boot/os and rest to your main storage |
| 02:31.03 | cplx_- | bronaugh: umask 222 ? |
| 02:31.05 | cplx_- | is that right? |
| 02:31.16 | cplx_- | or have i lost it again |
| 02:31.16 | cplx_- | lol |
| 02:31.17 | bronaugh | cplx_-: ask yourself that question. |
| 02:31.21 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: dont feel bad, i have been through it many many times :) 5hours for me to do 6 drives |
| 02:31.37 | bronaugh | cplx_-: if perms = 777 - umask, what are perms when umask is 222? |
| 02:31.45 | cplx_- | bronaugh: umask 222 r r r ? |
| 02:31.54 | bronaugh | cplx_-: w w w |
| 02:32.06 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: yeah, last time I was using sw raid... so the build happened online. |
| 02:32.09 | bronaugh | that was nice. |
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| 02:32.20 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: but thats basically what i did, set aside 500mb for just a plain jane boot/maintenance drive that held my boot and kernel and grub etc. and a second main install that actually booted |
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| 02:32.57 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: then if i mess up my main, i can boot the 500mb boot/rescue and fix the box without worries. had all my lvm tools and stuff too to avoid lvm / issues and such |
| 02:32.59 | cplx_- | arhh |
| 02:33.07 | bronaugh | yeah. I'm working on a cute workaround right now... |
| 02:33.15 | cplx_- | bronaugh: umask 000 = perms 777 |
| 02:33.17 | cplx_- | :) |
| 02:33.27 | bronaugh | trying to create a /boot on a PC BIOS part table alongside the GPT :P |
| 02:33.31 | bronaugh | cplx_-: yes :) |
| 02:33.42 | cplx_- | bronaugh: cheers mate for the help - learnt something new :) |
| 02:33.47 | cplx_- | apperciate it. |
| 02:33.53 | bronaugh | no prob. |
| 02:34.04 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: well, was good chatting, im sure you will work something out. welcome to the big league btw! (>1tb) |
| 02:34.08 | bronaugh | haha :) |
| 02:34.15 | bronaugh | I've been in that league for 1.5 years. |
| 02:34.20 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 02:34.23 | bronaugh | the other system in this office has 1.5T of storage |
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| 02:34.44 | MangosDebian | i take it video storage? |
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| 02:35.05 | bronaugh | nah, climate data. |
| 02:35.07 | bronaugh | work machine. |
| 02:35.22 | MangosDebian | ahh thats good. was starting to think you were some pr0n die hard :) |
| 02:35.26 | bronaugh | lol |
| 02:35.36 | bronaugh | yeah, you could store a lot of HDTV pr0n on 5T :) |
| 02:35.44 | MangosDebian | no doubt heh |
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| 02:38.24 | wfq | without sudo and su - it is possible to install software that required commands as adduser for example? |
| 02:38.37 | wfq | require |
| 02:38.58 | MangosDebian | login as root |
| 02:39.17 | wfq | of couse, I haven't got the root account |
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| 02:39.32 | MangosDebian | then no |
| 02:39.32 | bronaugh | not really then, no. |
| 02:39.43 | bronaugh | unless you reboot the machine and abuse the boot loader with init=/bin/sh |
| 02:39.45 | wfq | it sounds quite strange. This is a test a company is doing me. |
| 02:40.20 | MangosDebian | hope their thorough on you :) |
| 02:40.23 | wfq | bronaugh if I could be in front of the computer yes. I could use a live cd but i have just got a ssh console |
| 02:40.34 | bronaugh | r00t the b0x? |
| 02:40.57 | MangosDebian | wfq: physical access pretty much cant be defended against though |
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| 02:41.23 | MangosDebian | given time you can supplement kernels and installs loggers and stuff if encryption is used. its really a hopeless battle |
| 02:42.12 | wfq | guys, but I have been speaking to them and I am sure they want me to break as much as I could be able. |
| 02:42.25 | bronaugh | ok, look for a setuid binary. |
| 02:42.28 | wfq | they don't want |
| 02:42.28 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 02:42.29 | wfq | srry |
| 02:42.30 | bronaugh | you can do some clever nasty things. |
| 02:42.42 | bronaugh | you can't add a user if you're not root. |
| 02:42.49 | bronaugh | or at least, sudo root. |
| 02:43.06 | wfq | the question is, Could i simulate it? |
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| 02:43.43 | MangosDebian | wfq: what do you mean by simulate? |
| 02:44.13 | MangosDebian | wfq: could always bootstrap an install and play with that and fakeroot, or use vmware and play that way |
| 02:45.15 | wfq | this situation is quite strange |
| 02:45.44 | wfq | because of i need also to make a symlink from /var/www/html to my folder. |
| 02:45.57 | wfq | How I could pass over the root's permissions? |
| 02:46.45 | wfq | in theory the test is just to know what skills I am in Linux. Do you guys think they could have forgotten to give me permissisons enouhg to do everything properly? |
| 02:46.54 | bronaugh | ask em. |
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| 02:47.06 | bronaugh | maybe what they're testing is whether you will ask questions when you have a problem? |
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| 02:47.21 | yetifoot | lol, that would be funny if you hacked thier box, and they had just forgotton to give you the right access! |
| 02:47.36 | wfq | lol lol lol |
| 02:47.38 | wfq | i'd love it |
| 02:47.43 | wfq | if i could |
| 02:48.20 | MangosDebian | wfq: also, do they expect you to find out on your own, or get us to tell you how? :) |
| 02:48.36 | wfq | lol lol lol |
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| 02:49.02 | wfq | MagosDebian, this channel forms part of my life. When they contract me they also contract you guys |
| 02:49.35 | MangosDebian | ha! |
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| 02:49.44 | rahul | wfq: you are a tool. |
| 02:49.47 | bronaugh | where's my dosh then? |
| 02:49.48 | inFw | wfq: do you have access to a webpage? One you can edit, like public_html/index.html? |
| 02:50.03 | MangosDebian | rahul: heya |
| 02:50.15 | inFw | I'm thinking you can use a phpshell (which runs with the webserver user permissions) |
| 02:50.18 | wfq | inFx, I have got a public_html but is empty |
| 02:50.22 | inFw | you could find out more about the system |
| 02:50.26 | rahul | MangosDebian: er, hi |
| 02:50.28 | bronaugh | inFw: cute. |
| 02:50.29 | rahul | MangosDebian: who are you? |
| 02:50.35 | MangosDebian | old time friend ;) |
| 02:50.36 | inFw | do a phpinfo(); to know if you have phpaccess |
| 02:50.42 | inFw | bronaugh: :) |
| 02:50.43 | bronaugh | but usually the web server perms don't allow much. |
| 02:50.44 | rahul | oh? |
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| 02:51.03 | inFw | bronaugh: they may allow him to launch tsh on a high port |
| 02:51.03 | bronaugh | inFw: that'd be funny shit. |
| 02:51.05 | bronaugh | what's tsh? |
| 02:51.07 | rahul | now I'm trying to figure out which one, heh |
| 02:51.11 | bronaugh | I can guess, but I'd like to know :P |
| 02:51.13 | inFw | and then he's got an intractive shell with www-data or something |
| 02:51.19 | bronaugh | yeah. |
| 02:51.27 | inFw | *interactive |
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| 02:51.32 | MangosDebian | lol, i would tell you more, but why spoil the suspence. (keep it to yourself anyways plz, thanks) |
| 02:51.49 | bronaugh | he's the guy who gave you aids, rahul |
| 02:51.54 | rahul | heh |
| 02:51.54 | wfq | inFw, I have tried to do a phpinfo () but apache does not reach my public_html folder as I cannot do a symlink from /var/www/html to this folder |
| 02:52.14 | wfq | I haven't got permissions enough |
| 02:52.26 | inFw | wfq: have you tried http://theserver.com/~yourusername ? |
| 02:52.27 | bronaugh | wfq: dude, host/~user/ |
| 02:53.00 | wfq | InFw, I have tried and it works fine |
| 02:53.16 | wfq | InFw, but this index is in /var/www/html with root permissions |
| 02:54.20 | bronaugh | wfq: you're not explaining yourself very well. |
| 02:54.30 | wfq | ok |
| 02:54.54 | wfq | if i try to do what inFw said, I can see this page by Apache |
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| 02:55.13 | wfq | I have looked for this index and is allocated in /var/www/html |
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| 02:55.35 | wfq | it has got root permissions, that is to say, it was created from the root user |
| 02:55.48 | cplx_- | hey bronaugh if someone is using SFTP as a connection method, what umask will that be using? still Proftpd? |
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| 02:56.20 | bronaugh | cplx_-: I don't know, but I -think- it'll be using either the umask set in /etc/profile or the umask set in their home dir in either ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile |
| 02:56.44 | wfq | If i try to do a symlink from /var/www/html (apache default folder) to my public_html in my home, I can't because I haven't got permissions to write in /var/www/html folder |
| 02:56.48 | bronaugh | or it could be using a file I've neglected to mention, because the process of starting bash is really convoluted. |
| 02:56.48 | wfq | neither |
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| 02:58.02 | cplx_- | bronaugh: so i have to edit everyones profile? or is ther an easier way? |
| 02:58.03 | bronaugh | wfq: you did try "sudo bash" right? |
| 02:58.20 | wfq | you mean, sudo command to be used? |
| 02:58.31 | bronaugh | cplx_-: well; umask is something users are allowed to override... |
| 02:58.32 | cplx_- | bronaugh: is ther a global profile? |
| 02:58.38 | bronaugh | wfq: sam eshit. |
| 02:58.49 | cplx_- | yeah |
| 02:58.50 | bronaugh | cplx_-: yes, but it's overridden if anything's set in the user profile. |
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| 02:59.11 | wfq | bronaugh, I can't understand your last sentece |
| 02:59.12 | cplx_- | bronaugh: my issue is basically.. when a user uploads a file, the perms that set on the uploaded file are set to rwxrwx--- |
| 02:59.17 | cplx_- | so only the user can read it |
| 02:59.19 | rahul | I have recently come across 19 penix family photos. |
| 02:59.19 | cplx_- | no anonymouse |
| 02:59.22 | rahul | Can anyone tell me who the Penix's in this photos are? |
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| 02:59.32 | rahul | bahahahahaha |
| 02:59.41 | bronaugh | haha |
| 02:59.58 | cafuego | Will the real Penix please rise |
| 03:00.00 | rahul | the title is "19 Old Penix Photos" |
| 03:00.06 | rahul | http://www.penixfamily.com/penix_photos.htm |
| 03:00.14 | cplx_- | bronaugh: does that make sense? |
| 03:00.26 | bronaugh | cplx_-: yup. |
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| 03:00.33 | cplx_- | bronaugh: what would be ur suggestion |
| 03:00.34 | bronaugh | cplx_-: check where the umask is set. |
| 03:00.44 | bronaugh | cplx_-: change it in /etc/skel |
| 03:00.54 | bronaugh | rahul: awesome. |
| 03:01.10 | bronaugh | I've heard those Penixes can be real dicks. |
| 03:01.18 | cplx_- | local.profile? |
| 03:01.21 | cplx_- | or .profile |
| 03:01.38 | bronaugh | eh? |
| 03:01.40 | bronaugh | no idea |
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| 03:01.56 | cplx_- | fuk. |
| 03:02.06 | bronaugh | use strace. |
| 03:02.11 | dan2 | ~Penix |
| 03:02.12 | apt | somebody said penix was a highly sophisticated eggdrop bot, thought to be the predecessor of SkyNet, or madly in love with NewOS, or a crack whore, or my hero, or a Theo-loving hippy, or wants to have Alan Cox's baby. A sexy bitch. http://penix.mine.nu/images/gamp.jpg, or 'I don't exist. I live in a world that you cannot even imagine. full of gamp, fast cars, ... |
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| 03:03.19 | bronaugh | Hell is heated by computers, I swear. |
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| 03:03.52 | rahul | penix isn't an eggdrop, it's a penixdrop |
| 03:03.54 | rahul | of course |
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| 03:04.26 | bronaugh | s/o/i/ |
| 03:04.55 | rahul | ! |
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| 03:05.25 | bronaugh | !!!!! |
| 03:05.26 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 03:05.36 | wfq | ok guys, I am going to bed. See you and once again thanks a lot for your useful help |
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| 03:06.15 | inFw | wfq: you should read on apache and php |
| 03:06.36 | wfq | but what should i read? |
| 03:07.06 | wfq | inFw yes, I should |
| 03:07.07 | inFw | on apache how to configure it properly (check if it's version 1.x or 2.x) and php how to program it :P |
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| 03:07.19 | inFw | because you don't need to edit the main page |
| 03:07.21 | inFw | use your own |
| 03:07.42 | wfq | but |
| 03:08.17 | wfq | inFw, How could I show out my pages if the default folder for apache is not writable |
| 03:08.51 | bronaugh | bravo... looks like lilo'll boot. |
| 03:09.08 | bronaugh | just needed some fucking with the part table. |
| 03:09.17 | bronaugh | now we see if lilo actually boots. |
| 03:09.56 | wfq | I don't know. I will report them the situation |
| 03:10.06 | wfq | see ya guys!!! |
| 03:10.07 | Smerdyakov | I dist-upgraded testing and found Emacs displaying rectangles for all characters in buffers. Any advice? |
| 03:10.26 | inFw | wfq: edit the public_html/index.html ! |
| 03:10.28 | inFw | lol |
| 03:10.34 | wfq | inFw |
| 03:10.38 | inFw | and use http://server/~username |
| 03:10.39 | bronaugh | Smerdyakov: seen that. fixed itself eventually. |
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| 03:10.59 | bronaugh | Smerdyakov: I believe it's fixed in a recent package in unstable. |
| 03:11.06 | bronaugh | but that's just guesswork. why not check bugs.debian.org? |
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| 03:11.17 | Smerdyakov | I did. I see the bug, with no resolution mentioned. |
| 03:11.25 | bronaugh | hmm. try latest unstable package |
| 03:11.36 | wfq | inFw, my public_html is empty |
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| 03:12.14 | wfq | I told you the index i can see when i go to http://myserver/~username is the one that is in /var/www/html |
| 03:12.28 | Smerdyakov | bronaugh, you are thinking of an emacs21 package, or X-related? |
| 03:12.37 | bronaugh | Smerdyakov: I don't know. |
| 03:12.46 | bronaugh | try emacs first? |
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| 03:13.45 | n3kl | Can anyone tell me why some of my email using mutt has a few ^M characters in it, usually at the end of a line? |
| 03:13.50 | inFw | ah! |
| 03:14.10 | wfq | inFw that is the question |
| 03:14.13 | inFw | wfq: and you can edit the /home/username/public_html/index.html ? |
| 03:14.24 | wfq | of course yes |
| 03:14.24 | inFw | is the dir public_html write-protected from you? |
| 03:14.28 | wfq | in fact i have done it |
| 03:14.35 | wfq | no, |
| 03:14.46 | inFw | wfq: create a new file, like try1.html under that dir |
| 03:14.52 | bronaugh | n3kl: carriage return chars. windows text. |
| 03:15.07 | wfq | inFw, I have done it too |
| 03:15.08 | wfq | lol |
| 03:15.22 | inFw | bronaugh: I thought mutt translated that autmogically? |
| 03:15.28 | inFw | *automa |
| 03:15.30 | rahul | L A W L |
| 03:15.55 | n3kl | bronaugh: how can I get rid of them. I am trying to parse the email with perl, and when I print to the console, the ^M is fscking it all up. |
| 03:16.27 | wfq | inFw, now my phpinfo in my public_html works.... what is going on? |
| 03:17.00 | inFw | you did something wrong previously |
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| 03:18.10 | bronaugh | inFw: in a lot of cases, if there's \r terminated lines programs will misdetect it as UNIX text and treat it as such. |
| 03:18.21 | bronaugh | n3kl: s/\r//g |
| 03:18.36 | bronaugh | n3kl: if you get clever you can even do the whole file with one regexp; otherwise line by line will work |
| 03:19.01 | bronaugh | rahul: good drugs tonight? |
| 03:19.08 | rahul | drugs? |
| 03:19.09 | rahul | nah |
| 03:19.24 | bronaugh | argh, bloody debian. |
| 03:19.28 | n3kl | Dood whats up with internet radio today, jesus. Call your friggin senator day, huh? |
| 03:19.33 | bronaugh | installer has one kernel, but it installs another. |
| 03:19.38 | rahul | bloody penix |
| 03:19.47 | bronaugh | how'd you get that? |
| 03:19.49 | wfq | ok, one part of the problem i resulted but what about using useradd without sudo, nor su - and nor root's permissions |
| 03:19.51 | rahul | heh |
| 03:19.52 | bronaugh | you're not into self mutilation are you? |
| 03:19.59 | wfq | is |
| 03:20.16 | n3kl | bronaugh: That worked. Thanks. I have been spending my time doing s/\^M//g and such |
| 03:20.18 | rahul | n3kl: royalty rates are going up 3x, retroactively |
| 03:20.28 | inFw | hum guys I just switched from a celeron to a P4 andalso upgraded the memory.. The server has gone real slow afterwards, any ida why? |
| 03:20.34 | rahul | n3kl: and will be going up to 16x after a few years |
| 03:20.37 | n3kl | rahul: you call your senator? |
| 03:20.41 | rahul | n3kl: yes |
| 03:20.51 | rahul | well, sent an email... |
| 03:20.53 | bronaugh | n3kl: yeah, man perlre iirc. |
| 03:20.57 | bronaugh | n3kl: tell you *all* abotu that. |
| 03:21.11 | bronaugh | rahul: Congress shall pass no ex post facto laws. |
| 03:21.22 | bronaugh | rahul: part of the US constitution. maybe they should abide by that, mmmm? |
| 03:21.32 | rahul | bronaugh: this isn't congress |
| 03:21.37 | MangosDebian | n3kl: flip |
| 03:21.41 | bronaugh | rahul: who is it? |
| 03:21.51 | rahul | bronaugh: the copyright royalty board |
| 03:21.56 | n3kl | MangosDebian: ? |
| 03:21.59 | bronaugh | rahul: they're a government body? |
| 03:22.03 | rahul | bronaugh: yes |
| 03:22.10 | rahul | bronaugh: and it's not a law, it's just a rate |
| 03:22.12 | MangosDebian | n3kl: converts files between unix and msdos |
| 03:22.17 | wfq | inFw, where are they linking my public_html from? I haven't seen any symbolic link in /var/www |
| 03:22.19 | bronaugh | rahul: then they are on shaky ground with anything retroactive |
| 03:22.39 | rahul | bronaugh: most of the retroactiveness is because they gave a reprieve to allow appeals and negotations to take place |
| 03:22.39 | bronaugh | rahul: retroactive rules of any kind are generally shat upon by the courts. |
| 03:23.01 | inFw | wfq: maybe some apache directive.. |
| 03:23.03 | n3kl | MangosDebian: neat. Don't know how I would incorporate that into my perl script, but good to know |
| 03:23.04 | inFw | not sure |
| 03:23.04 | rahul | I think it's actually because of the expiration of a part of the DMCA |
| 03:23.07 | bronaugh | ok, so they passed a rule, then they said "we won't charge you anything until the appeals are exhausted" |
| 03:23.16 | rahul | bronaugh: yeah, basically |
| 03:23.20 | bronaugh | that's unfortunately not retroactive. |
| 03:23.20 | wfq | inFw, that sounds fine |
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| 03:23.46 | rahul | bronaugh: it's retroactive in effect, but not in legal terms |
| 03:23.49 | n3kl | rahul: its bullshit man. They push things too far. We are just conditioned to it so things are less in-your-face. I hate it. |
| 03:23.49 | bronaugh | any reasonable operators of inet radio should have been banking for that day. |
| 03:24.13 | rahul | bronaugh: it's impossible |
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| 03:24.22 | wfq | well, anyway I continue even having the problem with using adduser |
| 03:24.25 | rahul | bronaugh: they're charging more than a station could be expected to make |
| 03:24.26 | bronaugh | "pirate internet radio"? |
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| 03:24.33 | n3kl | bronaugh: who pays for internet radio? |
| 03:24.37 | bronaugh | I guess all inet radio's about to become pirate. |
| 03:24.54 | bronaugh | yeah, fuck em. |
| 03:24.55 | n3kl | pretty true man |
| 03:24.58 | bronaugh | they won't be able to collect. |
| 03:25.17 | rahul | the organization that collects the royalties keeps 65% of them, too |
| 03:25.24 | wfq | ok guys, I am too tired. Thank you. take care and sleep well |
| 03:25.25 | bronaugh | oh boy |
| 03:25.25 | rahul | for "administrative" purposes |
| 03:25.32 | n3kl | bull |
| 03:25.33 | bronaugh | yeah, to feed their fat executive salaries. |
| 03:25.49 | rahul | the remaining 35% goes to the record labels, which then give the artists whatever cut they negotiated. |
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| 03:26.13 | rahul | so it's not helping the artists, really |
| 03:26.15 | bronaugh | so when you figure it out, the artists get what, 6% of the royalty? |
| 03:26.18 | bronaugh | take out the middleman. |
| 03:26.19 | rahul | heh |
| 03:26.26 | jdavis | I broke sound on my debian machine when I ran alsaconf... any pointers? |
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| 03:26.45 | jdavis | I was trying to get my mic to work. |
| 03:26.47 | rahul | and the artists _gain_ the exposure to listeners who would never come across their music in the first place |
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| 03:27.04 | rahul | the radio that's left is all gonna be clearchannel crap again |
| 03:27.14 | bronaugh | rahul: and pirate. lots, and lots, of pirate. |
| 03:27.20 | rahul | I hope so... |
| 03:27.26 | bronaugh | it's a lot easier to set up a pirate inet radio station than to set up a real one. |
| 03:27.28 | rahul | for the artists' sake |
| 03:27.34 | bronaugh | it's a bit harder to drive around in a van, though. |
| 03:27.55 | rahul | about half the bands I found in the past year have been through internet radio |
| 03:28.04 | Guerin | there are only two good kinds of radio station anyway: pirate and government |
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| 03:28.26 | rahul | Guerin: three. internet radio. |
| 03:28.37 | bronaugh | falls under "pirate" now. |
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| 03:28.48 | Guerin | rahul: nope, the ad-supported ones of those tend to be a bit shit, too |
| 03:28.53 | rahul | net radio lets you listen to obscure, interesting stuff |
| 03:28.56 | bronaugh | I guess inet radio's supposed to run shitloads of ads like everyone else. |
| 03:29.00 | rahul | Guerin: pandora? |
| 03:29.01 | Guerin | rahul: though i'm talking about the future, not the past |
| 03:29.02 | n3kl | groove salad baby |
| 03:29.02 | bronaugh | and turn into complete crap. |
| 03:29.12 | rahul | yeah |
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| 03:29.47 | Guerin | not true |
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| 03:29.54 | Guerin | student radio also has its momentds |
| 03:30.13 | rahul | I consider college stations to be part of government, more or less |
| 03:30.20 | Guerin | fair |
| 03:30.48 | n3kl | rahul: considering where the funding for that bandwidth comes from, I would tend to agree |
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| 03:31.10 | rahul | and I think they get special breaks because of government regulations |
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| 03:31.45 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.50 | inFw | well, good night/day everyone, I'm off to sleep. |
| 03:32.00 | bronaugh | fun stuff. |
| 03:32.11 | bronaugh | I'm off to figure out why debian installed an older kernel than what was on the install CD |
| 03:32.15 | bronaugh | grrrr |
| 03:32.15 | Guerin | not a government shill, but an independent broadcaster funded by the government |
| 03:32.18 | rahul | Guerin: mostly just NPR |
| 03:32.26 | Guerin | rahul: but is it good? |
| 03:32.29 | rahul | Guerin: yeah |
| 03:32.51 | rahul | all major cities have NPR stations |
| 03:32.53 | Guerin | i ask because the news of record, and consistently the highest rating channel in NZ is Radio NZ |
| 03:32.57 | n3kl | NPR is good stuff |
| 03:33.05 | jdavis | does anyone here know how to get my mic to work? My soundcard works fine, and when I blow into the mic my speakers make noise, so I think it's doing something, but I can't record. |
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| 03:33.27 | rahul | bronaugh: because that's what package was in the package repos you selected |
| 03:33.35 | n3kl | jdavis: sounds like an application issue |
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| 03:34.11 | bronaugh | rahul: yeah, except I didn't select a repo. it's lenny aka testing. |
| 03:34.19 | bronaugh | I need 2.6.21 unfortunately. |
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| 03:34.23 | jdavis | n3kl: can you tell me a good way to test it? maybe it's trying to use the wrong device? |
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| 03:34.37 | rahul | 2.6.21 is probably only in sid... |
| 03:34.44 | bronaugh | anyhow, I can't con isolinux into just booting the disk off the CDROM's kernel. |
| 03:34.55 | n3kl | jdavis: meh, beats me man. I have heard, uh, .... audacity is good for recording |
| 03:34.58 | bronaugh | I've tried linux root=/dev/sda3 -- no go, does the installer trick. |
| 03:34.59 | bronaugh | any ideas? |
| 03:35.13 | jdavis | n3kl: I'm using "Applications->Sound and Video->Sound Recorder" |
| 03:35.16 | bronaugh | rahul: heh, it's on the daily or weekly built debian installer images. |
| 03:35.21 | jdavis | n3kl: Ok, I'll try that. |
| 03:35.23 | Guerin | jdavis: run alsamixer, his f[12345] and check your capture channel is set properly and turned up |
| 03:35.28 | Guerin | s/hit/ |
| 03:35.35 | bronaugh | rahul: anyhow, ideas re my q? I used to be able to boot that way just fine. |
| 03:35.42 | Guerin | jdavis: never use gui tools |
| 03:35.59 | n3kl | jdavis: good luck. What are you trying to use now? |
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| 03:36.15 | rahul | hrm |
| 03:36.22 | rahul | bronaugh: maybe init=/sbin/init as well? |
| 03:36.37 | bronaugh | rahul: hmmm, could try that... |
| 03:36.45 | bronaugh | I think the initrd's catching it. but I'll give your suggestion a shot. |
| 03:37.05 | jdavis | Gerin: I'm looking in alsamixer right now... all the devices say they're "playback" even "mic" |
| 03:37.32 | Guerin | jdavis: follow my instructions |
| 03:38.55 | bronaugh | ooo, kernel panic trying to set up filesystem. |
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| 03:39.02 | Guerin | heh, from my wife: |
| 03:39.08 | Guerin | I managed to work up so much static electricity that when I touched Jodie's desk just before I caused her computer to spontaneously reboot! |
| 03:39.09 | bronaugh | "Attempted to kill init!" |
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| 03:39.16 | metbsd | ooo you forgot to include your file system module |
| 03:39.29 | bronaugh | metbsd: it's an initrd kernel. |
| 03:39.42 | metbsd | still you need it |
| 03:40.00 | bronaugh | sure, but it's in the initrd. |
| 03:40.02 | jdavis | Guerin: my front mic was turned down, but when I turn it up and then hit "ESC" and then restart alsamixer, it's down again. |
| 03:40.12 | bronaugh | the problem is, it's not running what's in the initrd. |
| 03:40.41 | Guerin | jdavis: are you looking at capture devices, or playback? |
| 03:41.06 | jdavis | Guerin: I hit "f4" for capture |
| 03:41.08 | bronaugh | fuck it, maybe I'll just do an "expert" install and select sid as package repo. |
| 03:41.19 | Guerin | bronaugh: unwise |
| 03:41.26 | Guerin | bronaugh: install sarge and upgrade |
| 03:41.29 | bronaugh | PFFTT |
| 03:41.30 | Guerin | err, etch |
| 03:41.31 | Guerin | not sarge |
| 03:41.44 | bronaugh | if you'd been listening to what's been happening you'd see why that's a fucking stupid idea. |
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| 03:41.50 | bronaugh | kernel no booty. |
| 03:42.00 | bronaugh | if kernel no booty, and rescue CD no let you install, no fucking boot. |
| 03:42.03 | jdavis | Guerin: I'm using etch, by the way. |
| 03:42.31 | Guerin | bronaugh: oh, brand new hardware? Or root-on-raid? |
| 03:42.45 | Guerin | jdavis: i suggest asking #alsa |
| 03:43.02 | jdavis | Guerin: Ok, thanks. |
| 03:43.24 | bronaugh | Guerin: root on hw raid, with brand new hw |
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| 03:43.33 | bronaugh | driver is in 2.6.21 and no kernels before that. |
| 03:43.41 | Guerin | bronaugh: fun stuff. |
| 03:43.45 | bronaugh | yeah. so sid it is. |
| 03:43.50 | bronaugh | I'm not really afraid of sid, though. |
| 03:44.11 | Guerin | bronaugh: are there any d-i kernels with .21? |
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| 03:44.24 | Guerin | err, d-i installers with kernel .21 |
| 03:44.33 | Guerin | man, my brain is mush today |
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| 03:46.30 | bronaugh | yes. |
| 03:46.33 | bronaugh | I'm using one. |
| 03:46.56 | bronaugh | if there weren't one I would have just built one, but I'd rather not if I can avoid it. |
| 03:48.06 | Guerin | bronaugh: yes. if the installer kernel works you can install etch, then install a sid kernel in it. |
| 03:48.08 | bronaugh | brewed my own install media once or twice (once for an MCA bus 486; that was ick) |
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| 03:48.15 | Guerin | bronaugh: fun fun |
| 03:48.44 | Guerin | bronaugh: also, the install kernel will work as a rescue disk; long enough to mount the drives and chroot, in any case |
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| 03:48.54 | Guerin | fucking install cd |
| 03:48.58 | bronaugh | yeah, but /var was screwed. |
| 03:49.06 | bronaugh | I couldn't chroot in from the installer and apt-anything. |
| 03:49.14 | Guerin | bronaugh: huh, why not? |
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| 03:49.37 | bronaugh | no idea. |
| 03:49.41 | bronaugh | install seemed to go fine. |
| 03:49.46 | bronaugh | I assume there's a final step after boot? |
| 03:50.22 | Guerin | bronaugh: not really. It does some package installation, but not much, and it's all on-disk so you can run it having chrooted in |
| 03:52.49 | bronaugh | Guerin: that's what I *thought* but I couldn't. |
| 03:52.58 | Guerin | funky |
| 03:52.59 | bronaugh | could have something to do with installer fucking up with separate /var but dunno |
| 03:54.35 | gonzaloaf | Hi, I'm using this entry: "dev/hda1 /media/c ntfs-3g umask=0 0 0" in fstab to mount my ntfs drives with ntfs-3g but I have errors, why? |
| 03:54.55 | bronaugh | because the umask doesn't say 000? |
| 03:55.21 | bronaugh | you should really be mounting that allowing a specific uid and/or gid permission, rather than giving blanket perms. |
| 03:55.25 | bronaugh | unless it's just for you. |
| 03:56.26 | gonzaloaf | bronaugh, the manpage says to use 0 |
| 03:57.12 | gonzaloaf | bronaugh, I want all my users to have rw access to my ntfs drive, so is it correct to use umask=0 ? |
| 03:57.33 | bronaugh | try 000, please. |
| 03:57.42 | bronaugh | I don't know if 0 will work. it may, but I've never done it that way. |
| 03:57.42 | Guerin | gonzaloaf: you shouldn't use 000 |
| 03:57.46 | Guerin | in any case |
| 03:57.53 | Guerin | it allows full execute access, too |
| 03:58.22 | Guerin | come to think f it |
| 03:58.27 | Guerin | you shouldn't use ntfs |
| 03:58.51 | bronaugh | well; yeah. |
| 03:58.57 | bronaugh | but clearly this is a home toy machine. |
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| 03:59.03 | bronaugh | so not all of the usual constraints apply. |
| 03:59.04 | gonzaloaf | Guerin, bronaugh, this is the output I got: http://pastebin.ca/591319 |
| 03:59.52 | bronaugh | no hda1 |
| 03:59.56 | bronaugh | that would be your problem. why is that? |
| 03:59.59 | gonzaloaf | Guerin, I'm forced to have my windows xp because in the unversity they still dont use standards |
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| 04:01.29 | gonzaloaf | bronaugh, damn I had the first / deleted, now when I run mount -a I have this output: mount: No medium found |
| 04:01.42 | bronaugh | cute. |
| 04:03.15 | gonzaloaf | How can I find out how are my filesystems mounted? |
| 04:03.21 | Guerin | gonzaloaf: why does your school's choice of software impact on your own? |
| 04:03.35 | bronaugh | gonzaloaf: type mount? |
| 04:03.36 | Guerin | gonzaloaf: there is no how. They either are or are not. |
| 04:04.01 | bronaugh | Guerin: it can. for instance, they forced us to use a Windows-only compiler. |
| 04:04.09 | bronaugh | Guerin: I worked around it by using gcc :P |
| 04:04.23 | Guerin | oh, the folly of people who study computers |
| 04:04.29 | Guerin | i have to say |
| 04:05.01 | Guerin | the one good thing about polly sigh is that they don't care about the details, as long as it comes in in sixe 12 font on a4 paper, double-spaced |
| 04:05.21 | branstrom | When I try to install php5-xcache from testing, I get something about a dependency on libc6. If I later want to downgrade to stable libc6, I could do that just by removing the testing line from sources.list and reinstalling libc6, or something like that, right? |
| 04:05.32 | Guerin | bronaugh: never do that |
| 04:05.41 | Guerin | branstrom: never do that |
| 04:05.50 | branstrom | lol |
| 04:06.05 | Guerin | branstrom: you can't downgrade, and once you upgrade something depending on libc, you need to upgrade the whole shop |
| 04:06.24 | bronaugh | Guerin: yeah, well; I had fun, and I learned a lot more. |
| 04:06.30 | branstrom | So what are my options? |
| 04:06.34 | gonzaloaf | Guerin, because they tell us to write our work in MS word, and send a *.doc file i.e. |
| 04:06.35 | Guerin | branstrom: if you MUST have it on a production system, backport the package /msg dpkg backport |
| 04:06.45 | branstrom | Upgrade everything to testing? |
| 04:06.48 | branstrom | Aha... |
| 04:06.54 | Guerin | bronaugh: sorry, misfire |
| 04:07.01 | bronaugh | Guerin: no worries :P |
| 04:07.19 | Guerin | my ability to employ tab completion is known to be seriously impaired |
| 04:07.48 | Guerin | gonzaloaf: then you use openorifice and submit in doc, or rtf - chances are they never notice |
| 04:08.06 | Guerin | or better yet, submit in pdf format, like anybods who actually cares about the integrity of their work |
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| 04:08.27 | Guerin | damned if I'm going to submit work I'll be judged on in an editable format |
| 04:08.32 | gonzaloaf | Guerin, I tried, but the use macros and sometime things appear in a different format when they open it with MS word |
| 04:09.27 | bronaugh | LaTeX |
| 04:09.30 | bronaugh | and send them PDFs |
| 04:09.34 | bronaugh | let them eat shit. |
| 04:09.35 | Guerin | yes, that's what I use |
| 04:09.45 | Guerin | i hate oo.o |
| 04:09.55 | Guerin | well, hate is too strong a word |
| 04:10.00 | Guerin | i dislike it |
| 04:10.01 | bronaugh | I dislike it.s |
| 04:10.05 | bronaugh | it's a steaming pile of code |
| 04:10.21 | bronaugh | not elegant at all. MS Word is a paragon of virtue comparatively. |
| 04:10.21 | Guerin | have a look at the *ml output some time |
| 04:10.35 | bronaugh | oh yeah? |
| 04:10.38 | Guerin | it's not *quite* as bad as Word, but damn, is it ugly |
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| 04:11.12 | bronaugh | hah. |
| 04:11.35 | Guerin | i taught myself latex so that i'd easily be able to submit work in various formats, and to journals |
| 04:12.03 | Guerin | ... only to find that my school's (and country's) only reputable polisci journal prefers submissions in .doc |
| 04:12.19 | bronaugh | HAHA |
| 04:12.22 | bronaugh | idiots. |
| 04:12.29 | bronaugh | I'm really surprised they don't at least use PDF. |
| 04:12.38 | Guerin | they probably accept anything |
| 04:12.47 | bronaugh | so why do they prefer Word docs? |
| 04:12.49 | Guerin | i have't grlled them too hard on it |
| 04:13.08 | Guerin | bronaugh: because the typeset is done by a group of grad student slaves |
| 04:13.29 | Guerin | bronaugh: not that there's anything complicated to typeset; it's just pages of text in a3 format |
| 04:13.31 | bronaugh | Guerin: in MS Word? fuck. |
| 04:13.41 | bronaugh | we're doing that here. it's a tragedy. |
| 04:13.54 | Guerin | yeh. Not pretty. |
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| 04:14.57 | stoned | I'mso lame |
| 04:15.03 | Guerin | stoned: we know, bro |
| 04:15.04 | stoned | I am installing ubuntu right now |
| 04:15.08 | stoned | :( |
| 04:15.23 | Guerin | haha |
| 04:15.26 | Guerin | !pal stoned |
| 04:15.27 | bronaugh | *shrug* ubuntu works. |
| 04:15.32 | stoned | virtualbox kicks ass |
| 04:15.36 | branstrom | So how do I make my own backport? php5-xcache isn't on backports.org, apparently. And dpkg (the bot) seems to have some old instructions on how to make your own backport? No? |
| 04:15.39 | Guerin | bronaugh: he likes to pan ubuntu |
| 04:15.39 | bronaugh | I use it on my home multimedia box. |
| 04:15.42 | bronaugh | lol |
| 04:15.43 | bronaugh | ok. |
| 04:15.51 | stoned | I just heard so much shit from people about how Fiesty is so much more better and mature than others |
| 04:16.30 | Guerin | bronaugh: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 04:16.30 | stoned | I said i'll give it a shot |
| 04:16.30 | Guerin | bollocks |
| 04:16.31 | bronaugh | I still don't like ubuntu on a server; because a lot of their people are "ubuntards" |
| 04:16.31 | Guerin | branstrom: ^^ |
| 04:16.31 | branstrom | Guerin, saw that, but it seemed old |
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| 04:16.31 | Guerin | !simple sid backport |
| 04:16.31 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
| 04:16.36 | Guerin | branstrom: why? |
| 04:16.51 | Guerin | nothing much has changed; you could use aptitude instead of apt-get, but that's all |
| 04:17.00 | branstrom | sid? |
| 04:17.10 | Guerin | branstrom: sid. Unstable. |
| 04:17.22 | Guerin | you can use lenny/testing if you prefer |
| 04:17.40 | bronaugh | the KDE packages are better on kubuntu. |
| 04:17.42 | branstrom | The package exists in testing |
| 04:17.49 | Guerin | branstrom: so use that. |
| 04:17.58 | bronaugh | and some of the cute stuff like plugging in a USB thumb drive and having it appear on the desktop works. |
| 04:18.01 | Guerin | bronaugh: you say that as if it's a bonus |
| 04:18.11 | Guerin | bronaugh: that works in etch, too. |
| 04:18.12 | bronaugh | it's a bonus if you're trying to get girlfriends to use machines. |
| 04:18.13 | stoned | Guerin: I'm starting to like beryl! |
| 04:18.20 | bronaugh | I use ratpoison on my laptop :P |
| 04:18.30 | Guerin | stoned: you mean it no longer crashes every five minutes? |
| 04:18.36 | stoned | nah dude |
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| 04:19.04 | bronaugh | *shrug* X is a great terminal multiplexer. |
| 04:19.06 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:19.10 | stoned | hasn't crashed yet |
| 04:19.24 | stoned | this is my uptime but its X's uptime too |
| 04:19.29 | Guerin | stoned: that doesn't tell me how many times X has crashed. |
| 04:19.34 | Guerin | riiight |
| 04:19.43 | bronaugh | let's see how long X has been running, hmmm. |
| 04:19.47 | stoned | and no it has not crashed, I'm using beryl svn too |
| 04:19.54 | Guerin | stoned: snazzy |
| 04:20.07 | bronaugh | which graphics chip? |
| 04:20.07 | Guerin | if someone made some free 3d drivers I might bother with it |
| 04:20.19 | stoned | Guerin: what video card? |
| 04:20.32 | stoned | whats wrong with nonfree 3d drivers? |
| 04:20.33 | Guerin | but i can't much be arsed learning a bunch of new UI metaphors |
| 04:20.51 | Guerin | stoned: they're shit and make your box do crazy stuff |
| 04:21.05 | stoned | Guerin: I have a plethora of machines, one of them runs beryl |
| 04:21.06 | branstrom | aptitude doesn't seem to have build-dep? |
| 04:21.16 | Guerin | branstrom: no, it doesn't. |
| 04:21.21 | Guerin | !aptitude build-dep |
| 04:21.26 | Guerin | grr |
| 04:21.26 | stoned | Guerin: nvidia is ok, fglrx of course blows donkey cock |
| 04:21.43 | Guerin | branstrom: p12n.org has a script to do it in `hacks' |
| 04:22.04 | Guerin | stoned: if I cared about 3d I'd get an old radeon or an intel |
| 04:22.21 | Guerin | but as it is i use my boxen for work, not play |
| 04:22.46 | n3kl | When I try to install my first perl module using cpan RTF::Writer, I get Can't locate Module/Build/Compat.pm. Any ideas why? |
| 04:23.11 | Guerin | n3kl: don't use cpan; if the module isn't in debian use dh-make-perl |
| 04:23.31 | bronaugh | oh yay, I think this install may actually work. |
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| 04:23.58 | bronaugh | only had to pull kernel out of sid after chrooting into it. |
| 04:24.07 | Guerin | bronaugh: cool. |
| 04:24.10 | bronaugh | and uhh... fuck with lilo until it worked. |
| 04:24.13 | bronaugh | had to umount /boot |
| 04:24.14 | bronaugh | wtf. |
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| 04:24.21 | Guerin | lilo? eech. |
| 04:24.33 | bronaugh | grub sucks dog nuts for not supporting gpt and not having a fallback strategy. |
| 04:24.40 | Guerin | yeh |
| 04:24.54 | n3kl | Guerin: ah, thanks |
| 04:24.55 | Guerin | grub is awesome in 99.9% of cases, but it falls apart sometimes |
| 04:24.58 | bronaugh | lilo is dumb enough to work. |
| 04:25.11 | stoned | 8gb torrent of every single cheech and chong movie and cd :D |
| 04:25.16 | bronaugh | lol |
| 04:25.23 | Guerin | stoned: heh |
| 04:25.34 | stoned | 82.6% done |
| 04:25.39 | Guerin | ph33r |
| 04:25.40 | bronaugh | and fuck does it ever take a long time to load the kernel. |
| 04:25.49 | stoned | your kernel is fat |
| 04:26.10 | bronaugh | promise dudes must have written *the* slowest BIOS implementation ever. |
| 04:26.10 | bronaugh | I should put it on a diet. |
| 04:26.47 | bronaugh | sweet mother of shit, I have a login prompt. |
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| 04:27.31 | bronaugh | now to install ssh and begone. |
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| 04:28.31 | bronaugh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:28.35 | bronaugh | hmm, kinda disappointing. |
| 04:28.48 | Ramon | hello.. how are you guys.. maybe someone can assist me here... |
| 04:28.50 | Guerin | that's quite fierce |
| 04:28.54 | bronaugh | not from 12 disks. |
| 04:29.04 | bronaugh | I can get 250M/sec off my 6-disk raid5 |
| 04:29.05 | Guerin | is that hdparm? |
| 04:29.05 | bronaugh | sw raid. |
| 04:29.05 | Ramon | Im installing debian and its not finding the "etch" script |
| 04:29.09 | bronaugh | yeah. |
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| 04:29.15 | Ramon | and it is not on the cd |
| 04:29.18 | Guerin | not an amazingly good test, then |
| 04:29.31 | Guerin | Ramon: then your cd is old and you need a new one. |
| 04:29.35 | stoned | I am now unpacking the base system |
| 04:29.40 | bronaugh | Guerin: no, it's no.t |
| 04:29.50 | bronaugh | still, it does say something about the max speed you can expect. |
| 04:30.06 | Ramon | the path /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch is not there. |
| 04:30.57 | Guerin | Ramon: are you installing using debootstrap? And if so, how old is your syste? |
| 04:31.07 | Ramon | its 500 mhz |
| 04:31.10 | Guerin | you can probably get an up-to-date etch script from p.d.o |
| 04:31.14 | Guerin | not your computer, your OS |
| 04:31.25 | Ramon | i just downloaded it like a week ago |
| 04:31.38 | Guerin | that doesn't tell me when it was released |
| 04:31.43 | Guerin | !what version |
| 04:31.44 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 04:31.56 | Guerin | Ramon: answer some of those questions |
| 04:32.26 | Ramon | yeah trying to get that info... |
| 04:32.47 | n3kl | what is the prefered tool to operate a scsi tape drive? |
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| 04:33.04 | Ramon | 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 04:33.06 | Guerin | n3kl: hammer? |
| 04:33.29 | Guerin | Ramon: you're running sarge. You should install a 2.6 kernel and then upgrade to etch before doing much else. |
| 04:33.33 | BUMBACL0T | what should i do with my debian box? i use it as my local ftp server, that's it |
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| 04:33.45 | Ramon | so how do i do that? |
| 04:33.49 | Guerin | BUMBACL0T: why the fuck would you ask us? |
| 04:33.54 | BUMBACL0T | lol |
| 04:34.04 | BUMBACL0T | stfu |
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| 04:34.11 | Guerin | Ramon: aptitude install linux-image-2.6 && reboot; then come back |
| 04:34.12 | BUMBACL0T | aint shit to do with it |
| 04:34.18 | BUMBACL0T | i was running apache on it |
| 04:34.26 | Ramon | ok thx |
| 04:34.32 | Guerin | BUMBACL0T: do we care? |
| 04:34.38 | Guerin | answer: no. |
| 04:34.44 | BUMBACL0T | i wasn't even asking your dumbass |
| 04:34.51 | Guerin | yes, you were |
| 04:35.19 | BUMBACL0T | whatever, oldhead |
| 04:35.23 | Guerin | oo |
| 04:35.28 | Guerin | big comeback, |
| 04:36.14 | bronaugh | this stupid driver freaks me out. |
| 04:36.20 | bronaugh | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:36.20 | bronaugh | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:36.27 | bronaugh | I'm ssh'd into this machine. |
| 04:36.56 | wols | bronaugh: overflow of TX packets? |
| 04:37.00 | bronaugh | I wonder if it's shit cabling or shit NIC |
| 04:37.21 | bronaugh | wols: how could I be ssh'd into the machine then? |
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| 04:37.45 | wols | I said overflow |
| 04:38.01 | wols | if it doesn't change, you have a mircle on your hands. notify the pope |
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| 04:38.52 | bronaugh | ahh, that's a bit better. |
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| 04:38.58 | bronaugh | autonegotiation in this building is fucked. |
| 04:39.11 | bronaugh | and for some reason this is considered "normal" |
| 04:39.25 | bronaugh | forced 100baseTX-FD and I get tx'd packets reported. |
| 04:39.37 | bronaugh | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.08 | n3kl | Guerin: can you help please. I have tried your suggestion. dh-make-per --cpan RTF::Writer attempts to FTP out, but I know there is something wrong with my firewall in that area, has been for a while and I don't want to trouble shoot. So I download the tarball from cpan directly, extract it, cd into the extracted source and do dh-make-perl and it tells me ... |
| 04:40.56 | n3kl | Package does not provide a long description - Please fill it in manually., but does not seem to error. |
| 04:41.03 | n3kl | am I missing something after this? |
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| 04:41.36 | Guerin | n3kl: it will try other means, including wget and various other things |
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| 04:41.59 | n3kl | Guerin: so let it go |
| 04:42.06 | n3kl | ? |
| 04:42.14 | Guerin | yeah, it should in principle Just Work eventually |
| 04:42.17 | TraceGreen | Hello, when i compile kernel 2.6.20. my /lib/modules/2.6.20 is almost 450M, so large! every module don't strip, how shall i do? |
| 04:42.30 | Guerin | n3kl: i don't know that much about dh-make-perl, beyond tat |
| 04:42.41 | bronaugh | wols: no, I think the tulip driver mishandles the 100base half duplex case. |
| 04:42.47 | Guerin | TraceGreen: build your kernel properly this time |
| 04:42.49 | bronaugh | wols: and improperly bins the packets. |
| 04:42.54 | n3kl | alright, I will run it and see what happens. Thanks for the suggestion. |
| 04:42.54 | Guerin | TraceGreen: why would you build .20 anyway? |
| 04:42.59 | bronaugh | wols: because I really was ssh'd into the machine. |
| 04:43.03 | Guerin | TraceGreen: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 04:43.41 | TraceGreen | Guerin, I first run make menuconfig and config my kernel, and then make, and then make modules_install, any wrong? |
| 04:44.05 | Guerin | TraceGreen: use make-kpkg |
| 04:44.06 | branstrom | Guerin, so what would be the exact equivalent of apt-get -b source packagename ? |
| 04:44.15 | Guerin | branstrom: i misremember |
| 04:44.24 | Guerin | branstrom: you can still use that command |
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| 04:44.28 | branstrom | I've run the script now |
| 04:44.32 | branstrom | aptitude -b source php5-xcache ? |
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| 04:44.41 | branstrom | or should source point to the created files? |
| 04:44.54 | Gigantic | .!boo! |
| 04:44.55 | hburchey | I need to install g++-4.0, but it's not available in aptitude (all I can see is g++-4.1 and g++-4.2). Is it possible to do this? |
| 04:45.11 | Guerin | hburchey: try archive.debian.org |
| 04:45.14 | Guerin | err, no |
| 04:45.21 | Guerin | hburchey: try snapshot.debian.net |
| 04:45.24 | Guerin | that's better |
| 04:46.34 | Guerin | more tea! |
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| 04:48.37 | bronaugh | ok, now that the machine's booted and happy I'm done for the night. |
| 04:48.44 | bronaugh | cya all later, and thanks for the help. |
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| 04:49.01 | zapw | what's openoffice channel |
| 04:49.21 | Guerin | Zap-W: have a random fucking guess |
| 04:49.29 | Zap-W | Guerin, screw you |
| 04:49.39 | ejholmgren | zomg ,,, #openoffice ? |
| 04:49.39 | Zap-W | it's empty that's why i asked |
| 04:49.43 | Guerin | fuck's sakes, i can't believe you have't got the hint after all these years |
| 04:49.44 | Zap-W | it could be ooffice |
| 04:49.49 | Zap-W | or something similar you ass |
| 04:50.03 | ejholmgren | or #roflsocks |
| 04:50.03 | Guerin | Zap-W: the program isn't called openoffice, it's called openoffice.org (for trademark reasons) |
| 04:50.15 | Zap-W | right |
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| 04:51.06 | Guerin | !qotd58 |
| 04:51.06 | dpkg | <Zap-W> what is DD <greycat> ~DD <dpkg> it has been said that dd is a Debian Developer <Zap-W> KK <Zap-W> why the abriviation <lazarus> Zap-W: why any abbreviation? to shorten! <Zap-W> lazarus: it alienates ppl <greycat> Zap-W: you can't complain about abbreviations AND THEN USE THEM in the same sentence. <Zap-W> suck bananas <asg> ~fruitsmite Zap-W * dpkg smites Zap-W with a dozen pineapples |
| 04:51.31 | rahul | haha |
| 04:51.36 | hark | ha |
| 04:52.01 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:52.04 | Guerin | another goodie |
| 04:52.07 | Guerin | kgkgkgkgkg |
| 04:52.11 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 04:52.15 | Guerin | kgkgkgkgkgkg |
| 04:52.21 | Guerin | ... |
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| 04:53.27 | Guerin | !kgkgkgkgkgkg |
| 04:53.27 | dpkg | i heard kgkgkgkgkgkg is Watch out! Zap-W is thinking! |
| 04:53.51 | Guerin | hm, for some reason my terminal screwed up and forgot to show me my ! was't there |
| 04:54.13 | branstrom | Guerin, I don't want to use apt-get tho |
| 04:54.30 | Guerin | branstrom: tough titty. |
| 04:54.36 | branstrom | The aptitude-build-dep finally worked |
| 04:54.45 | Guerin | branstrom: cool. |
| 04:54.52 | branstrom | Are you high? |
| 04:55.04 | Guerin | aptitude's build function will probably be documented |
| 04:55.11 | Guerin | branstrom: sadly not |
| 04:55.14 | TraceGreen | hello, if i use INSTALL_MOD_STRIP when install modules, would it make some modules can not work? |
| 04:55.20 | Guerin | unless you count strong tea and Fado |
| 04:55.23 | branstrom | :) |
| 04:55.33 | streuner | hehe |
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| 04:56.36 | branstrom | Guerin, apt-get -b stands for build? But aptitude doesn't seem to have an equivalent, can't find anything in the manpage |
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| 04:57.14 | streuner | so just use apt-get, it doesn't hurt |
| 04:57.15 | Guerin | branstrom: well, if you download and unpack the source tree, you can buid it by running debian/rules binary in the source tree |
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| 04:57.32 | Guerin | there's a hard way to do anything |
| 04:57.43 | branstrom | streuner, but isn't aptitude all shiny and better? I try to always avoid apt-get :/ |
| 04:57.53 | hburchey | Guerin, Thanks mate, snapshot is exactly what I was looking for. |
| 04:57.55 | Guerin | branstrom: build is a case where it doesn't matter |
| 04:58.06 | branstrom | Okay then |
| 04:58.06 | streuner | heh, no idea, i don't use aptitude much |
| 04:58.08 | Guerin | hburchey: welcome. |
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| 04:58.44 | branstrom | So "source" should just be "source" or should I replace it with something? |
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| 04:59.51 | Guerin | branstrom: to answer that, I'd have to look up the manual page, which you could just as trivially do |
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| 05:00.50 | branstrom | "Compile source packages after downloading them. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Compile." |
| 05:01.39 | rahul | aptitude doesn't have the source command yet |
| 05:01.55 | rahul | and it isn't involved in managing the package db, so using apt-get won't make a diff |
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| 05:03.44 | branstrom | woah, a lot of stuff happening |
| 05:04.07 | gonzaloaf | I didn't know that I had to have the 2.6.20 kernel to use ntfs-3g, see the output when mounting with ntfs-3g: http://pastebin.ca/591373 |
| 05:04.30 | Guerin | gonzaloaf: we don't care, ntfs-3g isn't supported in debian |
| 05:04.49 | gonzaloaf | I didnt know that either :p |
| 05:04.54 | Guerin | (unless it's gotten itself into a debian kernel somehow) |
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| 05:06.15 | branstrom | Okay, I think I did it right |
| 05:06.34 | gonzaloaf | is it available for lenny the 2.6.20 kernel? |
| 05:06.40 | hark | it's there in testing and sid |
| 05:07.01 | branstrom | apt-get -b source php5-xcache; dpkg -i thepackage.deb, and everything went okay |
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| 05:08.22 | gonzaloaf | hark, I just see the 2.6.18 in my repos |
| 05:08.41 | hark | !info ntfs-3g lenny |
| 05:08.45 | MangosDebian | anyone know what might be causing a dmesg deteched nic being auto renamed from the detected eth0 to eth1 after the system is booted? |
| 05:09.20 | hark | !z25 |
| 05:09.21 | dpkg | z25 is probably as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to staticly rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. the addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. if you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory |
| 05:09.24 | dpkg | ntfs-3g: (read-write NTFS driver for FUSE), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1:1.516-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 05:09.26 | gonzaloaf | hark, I want the kernel not ntfs-3g |
| 05:09.53 | MangosDebian | hark: thanks, ill check that |
| 05:10.09 | branstrom | How do I search for php.ini? |
| 05:10.18 | branstrom | Dunno where it is |
| 05:10.24 | gonzaloaf | branstrom, man find |
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| 05:10.36 | streuner | or just use 'locate' |
| 05:10.54 | gonzaloaf | branstrom, updatedb && locate php.ini |
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| 05:11.26 | branstrom | But locate will build a huge index first? |
| 05:11.30 | branstrom | updatedb I mean |
| 05:11.38 | branstrom | Or was it already there? |
| 05:11.49 | gonzaloaf | branstrom, yes, |
| 05:12.08 | streuner | its there, but if you installing something its surely not in index then... |
| 05:12.15 | streuner | new* |
| 05:12.24 | gonzaloaf | branstrom, it reads daily I think.... but you can force to read executing it |
| 05:15.06 | xpurple | Can I configure xorg without a mouse? |
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| 05:16.39 | cahoot | xpurple, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg needs no mouse |
| 05:16.49 | xpurple | Right, but I want to run xorg without a mouse. |
| 05:17.01 | xpurple | I'm having an issue where it refuses to start up and I'm not sure why. |
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| 05:17.17 | cahoot | xpurple, man xorg.conf |
| 05:17.23 | xpurple | :) |
| 05:17.32 | hark | xpurple: core pointer error? |
| 05:18.04 | xpurple | It asks for the device ID, how do I find that? |
| 05:18.11 | cahoot | Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" xpurple |
| 05:18.24 | streuner | branstrom: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/UsingFind |
| 05:18.32 | xpurple | Thanks :) |
| 05:18.47 | branstrom | Thanks, but I used locate successfully :) |
| 05:18.58 | streuner | hehe |
| 05:19.25 | stoned | xpurple: X needs a core pointer device to start up. You don't have to have a mouse really. But afaik xorg requires /dev/input/mice or some such |
| 05:19.34 | streuner | there are some useful examples, better vs. man page... |
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| 05:19.56 | stoned | xpurple: device id can be listed via lspci |
| 05:20.13 | stoned | streuner is a useful example himself |
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| 05:20.21 | stoned | ehehe |
| 05:20.42 | t35t0r | is there a utility for debian that can do the configure, build, and make a deb for me? |
| 05:20.54 | stoned | !maint-guide |
| 05:20.54 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 05:21.19 | stoned | !package basics |
| 05:21.19 | dpkg | i heard package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html, or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 05:21.27 | Guerin | t35t0r: if the source tree has a debian/ dir, just type debian/rules binary |
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| 05:21.58 | Guerin | t35t0r: if it doesn't you can follow stoned's links (recommended) or if youwant quick-and-dirty, use checkinstall or stow. |
| 05:22.31 | Guerin | t35t0r: in any case you want to install build-essential, fakeroot and some other stuff first |
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| 05:22.49 | t35t0r | 'eh |
| 05:22.50 | stoned | its all listed on the maint-guide links |
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| 05:23.02 | stoned | there is no point and clicky one shot go debian packager |
| 05:23.08 | stoned | its not as simple as that really |
| 05:23.13 | t35t0r | crappity |
| 05:23.14 | Guerin | it can be |
| 05:23.25 | stoned | if you know what you're doing its a piece of cake |
| 05:23.26 | Guerin | checkinstall -D does more or less that job |
| 05:23.32 | stoned | eh |
| 05:23.36 | Guerin | (once you install the build-dep) |
| 05:24.00 | t35t0r | checkinstall looks nice |
| 05:24.04 | branstrom | I don't have md5? And there's no package called md5? |
| 05:24.15 | branstrom | Need it to generate an MD5 password |
| 05:24.15 | streuner | md5sum |
| 05:24.16 | t35t0r | maybe you want md5sum |
| 05:24.23 | Guerin | md5<tab> |
| 05:24.34 | Guerin | guessing commands is bad |
| 05:24.35 | t35t0r | use sha1 or rmd |
| 05:24.44 | Guerin | t35t0r: why bother? |
| 05:24.58 | Guerin | md5 isn't broken for everyday uses |
| 05:25.13 | branstrom | thx |
| 05:25.14 | t35t0r | he may not be doing it for everyday |
| 05:25.18 | t35t0r | oh well |
| 05:25.31 | stoned | man I have to drive like 6 exits away for a job interview tomorrow |
| 05:25.38 | stoned | sucks |
| 05:25.42 | Guerin | anyonewho uses md5 for anything other than checking the hash of a downloaded file is delusional in this day and age ;) |
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| 05:26.00 | Guerin | stoned: how far is that in some sane unit of measure? |
| 05:26.03 | streuner | stoned: how *FAR* is "6 exits"? |
| 05:26.08 | t35t0r | ack can't apt-get install checkinstall |
| 05:26.17 | Guerin | t35t0r: aptitude! |
| 05:26.24 | Guerin | i'd even accept miles, though they're not sane |
| 05:26.31 | stoned | streuner: hehe like >10miles |
| 05:26.33 | t35t0r | is taht some gui thing |
| 05:26.37 | Guerin | t35t0r: hell no |
| 05:26.45 | stoned | 5.3 mi – about 12 mins |
| 05:26.47 | branstrom | md5sum seems weird, I have to either do a newline and ctrl+d, or ctrl+d twice |
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| 05:26.51 | t35t0r | my system is too old let me show you what happened |
| 05:26.51 | branstrom | different sums |
| 05:27.06 | Guerin | t35t0r: oh, old system. Suggest upgrading. |
| 05:27.10 | stoned | less than 10 |
| 05:27.17 | stoned | >10? or <10? |
| 05:27.27 | t35t0r | upgrading how ? apt-get upgrade? |
| 05:27.29 | Guerin | stoned: the shark eats the big one |
| 05:27.31 | stoned | distance < 10m |
| 05:27.40 | Guerin | t35t0r: what are you running now? |
| 05:27.49 | stoned | i know my inequalities but im just sayin |
| 05:27.54 | t35t0r | # cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:27.54 | t35t0r | 3.0 |
| 05:27.55 | stoned | in english its confusing to speak math |
| 05:27.56 | Guerin | stoned: you drive a car 10 metres? No wonder you americans are so fat ;) |
| 05:28.05 | stoned | meters? |
| 05:28.07 | stoned | miles dudes |
| 05:28.16 | Guerin | t35t0r: welcome to our humble century, ancient one. |
| 05:28.17 | stoned | supposed to be mi |
| 05:28.27 | stoned | and im not fat! |
| 05:28.31 | stoned | I'm just big boned |
| 05:28.32 | liable | bah, i had to go 3000 miles (nautical) for an interview :P |
| 05:28.34 | t35t0r | so should i apt-get upgrade ? apt-get dist-upgade ? |
| 05:28.37 | Guerin | stoned: are you in texas yet? |
| 05:28.43 | stoned | dude what? |
| 05:28.44 | Guerin | stoned: i lose track of where you live |
| 05:28.48 | stoned | NYC |
| 05:28.50 | Guerin | oh |
| 05:28.54 | Guerin | permanently? |
| 05:28.56 | stoned | I WAS in tx like months ago |
| 05:28.58 | stoned | kinda |
| 05:29.04 | stoned | I'm saving up to go to cali |
| 05:29.07 | Guerin | t35t0r: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 05:29.10 | stoned | see what the west coast has to offer me |
| 05:29.19 | Guerin | t35t0r: then /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 05:29.32 | Guerin | stoned: is your wife in the country yet? |
| 05:29.36 | stoned | nope |
| 05:29.46 | MangosDebian | stoned: mail order? |
| 05:29.50 | stoned | I have not been laid in a while |
| 05:29.50 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:29.56 | stoned | MangosDebian: hehe |
| 05:29.58 | stoned | ya better run |
| 05:30.01 | MangosDebian | ;) |
| 05:30.01 | t35t0r | First, "apt-get install aptitude". problem is i can't install aptitude |
| 05:30.01 | Guerin | stoned: can brown balls get blue? |
| 05:30.11 | stoned | yes they can, and yes they do |
| 05:30.16 | Guerin | t35t0r: just use apt-get for the first one |
| 05:30.44 | Guerin | stoned: is she still at medskool or something? I thought she was due to arrive yeages ago. |
| 05:30.51 | stoned | I went on a date to go see spiderman 3 when it came out |
| 05:30.56 | stoned | I let that girl touch me |
| 05:31.06 | stoned | what my wifey don't know, won't hurt her |
| 05:31.07 | stoned | :) |
| 05:31.27 | stoned | Guerin: 4th year med school yes |
| 05:31.33 | Guerin | stoned: that's so wrong. As Willie Dixon said, `what's done in the dark gonna come to the light' |
| 05:31.51 | stoned | willie dixon was one of my customers when I was at dell |
| 05:31.55 | stoned | I felt so bad for the old black guy |
| 05:32.00 | stoned | he got ripped off bigtime from dell |
| 05:32.02 | t35t0r | yup it said apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:32.08 | stoned | and I gave him free printers and cameras and all that junk |
| 05:32.12 | stoned | I still felt bad for him |
| 05:32.14 | t35t0r | well s/aptitude/apt-get |
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| 05:32.33 | stoned | I'm sure it was another willie dixon |
| 05:32.39 | stoned | but still its sad |
| 05:32.58 | Guerin | stoned: well, since the famous one died when I was at high school ... |
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| 05:33.01 | stoned | Guerin: immigration bullshit... plus by the end of this month cost will go up 1000$ for a naturalization form |
| 05:33.15 | scythetleppo | my friend has an 'old' version of debian, he says it has no internet browser.. how can he get to localhost:631 ? |
| 05:33.24 | stoned | it sucks man |
| 05:33.26 | t35t0r | lynx |
| 05:33.26 | Guerin | stoned: bah. You should come to NZ, we have awesome dope and need all the doctors we can get. |
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| 05:33.32 | t35t0r | elinks |
| 05:33.35 | t35t0r | links |
| 05:33.40 | stoned | Guerin: hmm, I might think about it |
| 05:33.49 | stoned | I'm getting fed up with the states |
| 05:34.03 | stoned | plus them islams won't attack NZ for a while |
| 05:34.05 | stoned | I don't think |
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| 05:34.20 | Guerin | stoned: don't you mean US islams? |
| 05:34.23 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 05:34.31 | stoned | I meant it as a joke from Ali G. |
| 05:34.36 | Guerin | oh |
| 05:34.39 | stoned | hehe |
| 05:34.50 | stoned | Booyakasha! |
| 05:35.23 | Guerin | stoned: so let me get this straight - you're in NYC, trying to save money |
| 05:35.32 | stoned | hah, fucked up huh |
| 05:35.42 | Guerin | how the hell do you save money in the third-most-expensive city in the world? |
| 05:35.44 | stoned | I have more bills than I make money right now |
| 05:35.54 | liable | scythetleppo: why cant he install a browser? |
| 05:35.54 | scythetleppo | anyone know? |
| 05:35.56 | stoned | I said I was trying |
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| 05:36.05 | Guerin | scythetleppo: you already got four answers |
| 05:36.10 | stoned | Guerin: but you can get paid here too, pretty good |
| 05:36.13 | Guerin | stoned: fair enough. |
| 05:36.29 | stoned | Guerin: also becuase Manhattan School of Music was the only music school where I got accepted |
| 05:36.43 | Guerin | haha, yeah, right |
| 05:36.54 | Guerin | Manhattan School of Shred |
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| 05:36.59 | stoned | heh, stfu |
| 05:36.59 | stoned | :) |
| 05:37.11 | Guerin | one of my bro's friends just got signed by Blue Note |
| 05:37.19 | stoned | the only people who cut down blazing speed are the ones who can't play fast themselves |
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| 05:37.28 | stoned | i've never heard a true shredder say, oh man, speed sucks. |
| 05:37.42 | Guerin | shred is for poseurs |
| 05:37.46 | grendal_prime | hey i need to send an email when something in particualr happens on a box..i have the trigger built with bash, what is the simplest way to send an email back to HQ (known smtp server) |
| 05:37.55 | Guerin | it's the musical equivalent of rice-rocket-racing |
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| 05:38.16 | tacos | <---scythetleppo |
| 05:38.30 | stoned | Guerin: nah, Paganini was a shredder, people said the same thing about him, but he invented close to 90% of the known modern violin techniques |
| 05:38.32 | Guerin | grendal_prime: echo "ZOMG" |mailx -s "this is a subject" badger@mushroom.com |
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| 05:38.49 | juancgt | i need some help setting up dualscreens |
| 05:39.16 | tacos | sorry about that.. anyways, he says it's an old version and has no browser and he just wants to change the printer configuration. He wants to know if there's a way to do that without a browser. The problem is the printer is set to be a network printer but he wants it to be local. |
| 05:39.27 | stoned | juancgt: big desktop from ati, twinview from nvidia, or just an xorg.conf with dual display? |
| 05:39.31 | stoned | juancgt: which one do you want |
| 05:39.31 | Guerin | tacos: why no browser? |
| 05:39.43 | tacos | he says it's an 'old' debian |
| 05:39.45 | liable | edit his cupsd.conf |
| 05:39.48 | Guerin | tacos: tell him to use links, lynx, elinks, w3m or links2 |
| 05:39.58 | Guerin | tacos: that's a bullshit reason |
| 05:40.01 | tacos | so links should be in there? (im a gentoo guy) |
| 05:40.09 | Guerin | one of those ought to be |
| 05:40.09 | juancgt | stoned, nice nick, i have a laptop and wanted to use the ext monitor for something (dunno yet what) |
| 05:40.15 | tacos | he doesn't know any *ix at all |
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| 05:40.30 | Guerin | this explains why he's running something geriatric |
| 05:40.32 | stoned | "We have just folded space from IX" |
| 05:40.36 | stoned | Guerin: ^^ where from |
| 05:40.36 | tacos | alright I'll let him know, thanks |
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| 05:40.42 | Guerin | stoned: no idea |
| 05:40.46 | stoned | Guerin: Dune |
| 05:40.51 | tacos | also, anyone ever use OpenVPn? off-topic! =] |
| 05:40.51 | stoned | you suck. |
| 05:40.55 | Cotton-swab | theer should be a pastebin in the topic |
| 05:41.02 | stoned | !paster |
| 05:41.02 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 05:41.05 | cast | tacos: yes, its easy :> |
| 05:41.06 | Guerin | stoned: never read it, nor seen the movies. I feel about scifi the same as I feel about shred. |
| 05:41.17 | Guerin | cast: shock, there is |
| 05:41.18 | stoned | Guerin: oh you truely suck now |
| 05:41.19 | Cotton-swab | <pastebin> |
| 05:41.25 | Guerin | Cotton-swab: there is! |
| 05:41.26 | Cotton-swab | !pastebin |
| 05:41.26 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 05:41.32 | wols | stoned: which book has that quote in it? |
| 05:41.40 | stoned | Guerin: starwars, dune, ridick, fantasy like dragonlance, shannara |
| 05:41.52 | stoned | wols: well I heard it in the old dune movie from the 70's |
| 05:41.55 | Cotton-swab | you should add my pastebin! :D it is 1337 |
| 05:42.00 | Cotton-swab | texticle.net |
| 05:42.01 | stoned | or 80's i think, with kyle mclaughlin |
| 05:42.03 | tacos | For some reason I can't get the connection to go. I'm on IPCop on the one side, set up as per the instructions. Then I setup at home, but when I go to the connect, I get a handshake failure, asking to check my network connectability |
| 05:42.08 | Guerin | stoned: cool, no idea, wank, wank, wank |
| 05:42.22 | stoned | wols: Dune, 1984 |
| 05:42.23 | juancgt | stoned, any suggestions? |
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| 05:42.39 | liable | Cotton-swab: i dont want to paste your testicles |
| 05:42.44 | t35t0r | http://rafb.net/p/ylpo9R36.html I can't run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:42.46 | Guerin | stoned: if you want real fantasy go to the greats - Wu Cheng'en, Homer, Virgil |
| 05:42.50 | Cotton-swab | liable: that is preverted |
| 05:42.50 | roxy_ | is there a place where I could look at linux compatible mobile phone ? (that could do stuff like kontact and amarok sync, and being use to store doc) |
| 05:42.53 | t35t0r | any ideas? |
| 05:42.57 | Cotton-swab | TEXTicle.net |
| 05:43.06 | wols | stoned: that's not Dune. that's a shitty movie which looked kinda pretty |
| 05:43.16 | wols | stoned: either cite the books or STFU, sheesh |
| 05:43.16 | stoned | juancgt: I dunno how to do this on a laptop. Usually for dual display you need two video cards or 1 video card with two video outputs |
| 05:43.18 | Guerin | roxy_: look for reviews on thinkgeek or something |
| 05:43.30 | juancgt | stoned, well it do |
| 05:43.31 | juancgt | es |
| 05:43.41 | Cotton-swab | infocushosting.net |
| 05:43.42 | stoned | wols: what? that was the best dune movie, the other dunes sucked |
| 05:44.14 | stoned | wols: the book kicks ass all over, but the movie was still pretty badass |
| 05:44.40 | Guerin | stoned: from what I gather, this is the sort of statement which gets you lynched by Duneiacs |
| 05:44.48 | Guerin | and, heh, I made a funny |
| 05:44.48 | liable | roxy_: iirc tuxmobile.org does phones too |
| 05:44.49 | stoned | juancgt: make another device section in xorg.conf as well as a new screen section and then modify server layout section to include the 2nd scren which includes the 2nd device |
| 05:44.55 | Guerin | lynched |
| 05:44.56 | stoned | juancgt: google for how to setup dual head |
| 05:44.58 | Guerin | geddit? |
| 05:45.13 | stoned | yeh |
| 05:45.15 | stoned | i got it |
| 05:45.23 | stoned | but thats only with closeminded people |
| 05:45.41 | t35t0r | juancgt, what video card? |
| 05:45.43 | wols | stoned: all dune movies sucked |
| 05:45.49 | stoned | wols: you sucked! |
| 05:45.56 | wols | I mean: sonic wepaons? wtf? |
| 05:45.58 | juancgt | t35t0r, ati x130 |
| 05:46.01 | Guerin | wols: impossible. David Lynch is the man. |
| 05:46.06 | stoned | wols: c'mon man, that was a good movie |
| 05:46.06 | roxy_ | Guerin: couldn't find phone in there |
| 05:46.13 | t35t0r | juancgt, i think the latest ati-drivers have some sort of gui configurator? |
| 05:46.15 | roxy_ | liable: thanks, found it :-) |
| 05:46.17 | wols | Guerin: he should create his own movies and not steal from Herbert |
| 05:46.23 | t35t0r | juancgt, if not use ati-config |
| 05:46.23 | Guerin | roxy_: ask in ##linux |
| 05:46.30 | stoned | what do you mean steal? |
| 05:46.30 | t35t0r | juancgt, it has options for dualhead etc etc |
| 05:46.43 | stoned | spielberg didn't 'steal' Willy Wonka |
| 05:46.47 | stoned | he just remade it |
| 05:46.52 | stoned | same thing with Dune movies |
| 05:46.52 | t35t0r | ati-config comes with the ati-drivers |
| 05:46.52 | Guerin | stoned: no, he stole AI |
| 05:46.56 | stoned | and the miniseries |
| 05:46.59 | tacos | anyone happen to know what to check on that OpenVPN issue? or is there a more suitable channel |
| 05:47.04 | juancgt | t35t0r, i dont have ati-config |
| 05:47.10 | stoned | Guerin: AI was ok |
| 05:47.15 | t35t0r | ati-config comes with the binary ati drivers |
| 05:47.17 | t35t0r | fglrx |
| 05:47.17 | stoned | Guerin: kinda gay at the end with the aliens and such |
| 05:47.26 | Guerin | tacos: #openvpn, probably. And/or #ipcop |
| 05:47.37 | t35t0r | is there a debian fglrx package? |
| 05:47.41 | Guerin | stoned: only if you've never seen anything by Stanley Kubrick, who was going to make it |
| 05:47.43 | stoned | juancgt: don't rely on these tools. Do as I suggested with xorg.conf |
| 05:47.50 | Guerin | tacos: no, because it's proprietary |
| 05:47.52 | liable | t35t0r: yes, in non-free |
| 05:48.01 | t35t0r | go install it |
| 05:48.05 | Guerin | t35t0r: ^ |
| 05:48.17 | stoned | !xinerama |
| 05:48.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html |
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| 05:48.25 | grendal_prime | thanks Guerin it seems it sends it out...but im not receiving it at my yahoo email account |
| 05:48.37 | t35t0r | ati calls it twinview |
| 05:48.38 | juancgt | stoned, its kinda hard |
| 05:48.45 | stoned | juancgt: is a piece of cake |
| 05:48.49 | liable | grendal_prime: does the box have rdns correct? |
| 05:48.49 | stoned | t35t0r: nvidia calls it twinview |
| 05:48.53 | Guerin | grendal_prime: the yahoot servers may be rejecting it, check your server logs. Unless it's being washed through a known-good server |
| 05:48.55 | stoned | ATI calls it Big Desktop |
| 05:48.58 | t35t0r | right' |
| 05:49.08 | grendal_prime | of course they are probably configure to not just accpet from just any old box |
| 05:49.16 | stoned | brb |
| 05:49.24 | Guerin | grendal_prime: never use yahoo mail, ever, for anything. That's my advice. |
| 05:49.26 | liable | if your reverse dns is wrong, they prolly reject it |
| 05:49.38 | netdaemon | Guerin: what do you use for mail then? |
| 05:49.53 | grendal_prime | that makes sence this will be sending to an email server we have access to. |
| 05:50.02 | Guerin | netdaemon: i run a mail server. For backups (server goes down, etc) i use gmail and gmx.net |
| 05:50.07 | grendal_prime | so basiaclly we need to accomodate for that on the server. |
| 05:50.14 | tacos | yep #openvpn exists! who'd a thought |
| 05:50.22 | Guerin | tacos: shock! |
| 05:50.27 | liable | thunk |
| 05:50.33 | juancgt | and does anyone know why my synaptics touchpad is very slow? |
| 05:50.42 | grendal_prime | openvpn rocks by the way |
| 05:50.47 | t35t0r | so any idea how to get around this: http://rafb.net/p/ylpo9R36.html ? |
| 05:50.48 | Guerin | juancgt: mine is fast, fwiw. |
| 05:50.57 | grendal_prime | juancgt: are you drinking? |
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| 05:51.17 | juancgt | grendal_prime, no, just a fresh install and things aint working right |
| 05:51.24 | liable | i hate touchpads |
| 05:51.38 | Guerin | liable: i used to, then I was forced to use one for ages |
| 05:51.39 | grendal_prime | bummer...ya liable i agree, i hate them too |
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| 05:51.56 | juancgt | i do too but its handy |
| 05:52.00 | liable | trackpoint ftw |
| 05:52.00 | grendal_prime | i have this logitec opticall i haull around with me everywhere. |
| 05:52.10 | Guerin | liable: you mean `clit mouse' |
| 05:52.18 | liable | Guerin: one of many names, ya |
| 05:52.27 | Guerin | that's the technical term, though |
| 05:52.33 | Guerin | there's a good xkcd about that |
| 05:52.34 | grendal_prime | Guerin: it reminds me more of a nipple |
| 05:52.51 | liable | its as hard to use as a clit when you first start ;) |
| 05:52.57 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:53.48 | Guerin | hm, to get beer, or not to get beer |
| 05:53.52 | Guerin | there is no question |
| 05:53.56 | liable | silly question |
| 05:54.13 | Guerin | i need to pick up her ladyship from the shop anyways |
| 05:54.25 | wols | where would I find more about why jackd is "better" than dmix? |
| 05:54.31 | grendal_prime | all in all though, im glad somone got on the ball and started making controlling devices that were less like the "Joystick" and more like something i like to play with |
| 05:54.32 | liable | beer on tap at home :) |
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| 05:55.29 | grendal_prime | rums gone, im going to bed..night all |
| 05:56.10 | ejholmgren | Guerin: that's not much of a question |
| 05:56.12 | liable | t35t0r: is that a srge box thats not updated properly or something? |
| 05:56.31 | Guerin | ejholmgren: you're quite correct |
| 05:56.50 | t35t0r | it's updated |
| 05:57.01 | t35t0r | it's using the sources.list from the debian page |
| 05:57.06 | liable | t35t0r: if it was updated, you wouldnt have that version of libc6 |
| 05:57.43 | t35t0r | are you talking about apt-get upgradE? |
| 05:57.56 | liable | t35t0r: i am talking about your version of libc6 |
| 05:58.01 | liable | its old |
| 05:58.09 | t35t0r | manually upgrade it? |
| 05:58.09 | liable | its not etch |
| 05:58.20 | liable | t35t0r: god no |
| 05:58.24 | t35t0r | no it's 3.0 woody or somehitng |
| 05:58.30 | liable | t35t0r: well depends what you mean by manually |
| 05:58.32 | wols | !tell t35t0r about sarge->etch |
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| 05:58.38 | t35t0r | i just saw that |
| 05:58.48 | t35t0r | it said to use aptitude but i can't because of the same error |
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| 05:58.52 | Guerin | muhahaha |
| 05:58.54 | t35t0r | should i manually install aptitude ? |
| 05:59.10 | Guerin | her ladyship is doing her wifely duties and picking up beer on the way home from work |
| 05:59.20 | Guerin | t35t0r: once you get to sarge, yes |
| 05:59.20 | liable | trained well! |
| 06:00.05 | t35t0r | how do i get to sarge without aptitude? |
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| 06:00.33 | ejholmgren | Guerin: luck man, mine tries to hide mine, albeit not very well |
| 06:00.33 | liable | t35t0r: i suggest you follow the sarge release notes for a start |
| 06:00.58 | t35t0r | release notes ..it'll tell me how to upgrade? |
| 06:01.09 | liable | t35t0r: and make sure you have sarge set in your sources list |
| 06:01.14 | liable | t35t0r: yes |
| 06:01.14 | rahul | t35t0r: duh |
| 06:01.17 | t35t0r | let me paste my sources.list |
| 06:01.19 | stoned | thats why I like women from my culture, no BS, only good stuff |
| 06:01.26 | rahul | heh |
| 06:01.26 | stoned | rahul: my main man whats up |
| 06:01.43 | rahul | exhausted from last night, heh |
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| 06:02.16 | Guerin | ejholmgren: deb drinks almost as much beer as I do, so there's no dager of that in our household |
| 06:02.25 | stoned | rahul: i put up an ad on craigslist for pc tech, and some dude emailed me and said he wants me to fix his stuff, $300, didn't argue or nothing, lives 1 block from you |
| 06:02.37 | rahul | heh, cool |
| 06:02.46 | t35t0r | http://rafb.net/p/iVOhPE63.html is this correct? |
| 06:03.05 | rahul | I got a buddy who wants to install debian to learn opengl programming, hehe |
| 06:03.12 | rahul | one hell of a bass player |
| 06:03.14 | Guerin | stoned: $300 would almost pay for a cab fare and a sandwich, right? |
| 06:03.18 | stoned | rahul: and I got a job interview tomorrow |
| 06:03.22 | rahul | stoned: sweet! |
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| 06:03.24 | stoned | Guerin: hehe |
| 06:03.31 | rahul | Guerin: from where he is, yeah! |
| 06:03.36 | rahul | it's like an hour cab ride |
| 06:03.38 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:03.42 | Guerin | i have to say |
| 06:03.49 | stoned | well my men |
| 06:03.50 | Guerin | tokyo is as expensive as they say it is |
| 06:03.57 | stoned | if you can't make it in nyc, you can't make it anywhere |
| 06:04.01 | stoned | so I gotta make it here |
| 06:04.05 | rahul | heh |
| 06:04.13 | rahul | stoned: what kinda job? |
| 06:04.26 | stoned | PC Tech in flushing |
| 06:04.30 | stoned | some local store |
| 06:04.42 | Guerin | if you ever wanted to buy a 70000 yen milenium falcon model, that's the place to do it |
| 06:04.42 | stoned | pays more than macy's |
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| 06:04.46 | rahul | yeah |
| 06:04.53 | Guerin | s/l/ll/ |
| 06:04.55 | rahul | Guerin: haha |
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| 06:04.58 | stoned | I been job huntin like crazy man |
| 06:05.03 | rahul | Guerin: that sounds like the japanese :) |
| 06:05.13 | rahul | stoned: good deal |
| 06:05.13 | Guerin | rahul: and that's not the worst of it |
| 06:05.17 | rahul | Guerin: I know |
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| 06:05.25 | Guerin | rahul: open taxi door: US$11 |
| 06:05.28 | waltercool | hello, i need a bit of help please :) |
| 06:05.33 | stoned | !ask |
| 06:05.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 06:05.35 | Guerin | rahul: drive 3km: another $8 |
| 06:05.38 | rahul | Guerin: they charge like 5000 yen for used panties! |
| 06:05.43 | waltercool | lol |
| 06:05.43 | stoned | lol |
| 06:05.55 | liable | yeah, but they are scholl girls panties! |
| 06:06.04 | liable | s/scholl/school/ |
| 06:06.10 | Guerin | rahul: you must have otten the cheap ones |
| 06:06.14 | stoned | lol |
| 06:06.16 | rahul | heh :\ |
| 06:06.24 | stoned | !penixstrike rahul |
| 06:06.24 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking rahul to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 06:06.31 | stoned | ahaha, I got ya good |
| 06:06.34 | rahul | penix panties |
| 06:06.39 | stoned | dude no |
| 06:06.41 | stoned | sick |
| 06:06.52 | waltercool | i have an amd 64, and i have installed 64 bit version of debian and my clock goes 5 times more speedy... how can i normalize that? |
| 06:06.55 | rahul | dude, it's about penix. it HAS TO be sick |
| 06:06.56 | Guerin | deb and I went to tokyo for a weekend for SummerSonic, a music festval |
| 06:07.02 | Guerin | spent $1200 without trying |
| 06:07.09 | rahul | yeah |
| 06:07.20 | Guerin | and that was doing it on the cheap, which is frightening |
| 06:07.30 | rahul | waltercool: that's one fast copmuter! |
| 06:07.42 | rahul | waltercool: must be a kernel bug, heh |
| 06:07.43 | stoned | man my parents are so damn loaded its not even funny |
| 06:07.56 | waltercool | rahul: lol... i cant write good :s... keys goes too fast :s |
| 06:07.59 | stoned | I'm gonna inherit a shitload even after it gets devided in 4 kids |
| 06:08.08 | Guerin | waltercool: ask #debian-amd64 - sounds like a kernel gone from 200 to 1000hz |
| 06:08.14 | Guerin | interrupt timings |
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| 06:08.30 | rahul | who crazy music on pandora |
| 06:08.35 | rahul | er whoa |
| 06:08.38 | waltercool | mmm... i going to seem thanks :) |
| 06:08.41 | ErichK | What is the Etch unstable repo url? |
| 06:08.43 | rahul | some wacky jazzy stuff |
| 06:08.47 | ErichK | For my sources.list |
| 06:08.50 | cast | stoned: so how much are you going to donate to debian? :) |
| 06:08.51 | Guerin | ErichK: parse error |
| 06:08.51 | rahul | by a band called spaced out, haha |
| 06:08.54 | liable | ErichK: eh? |
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| 06:09.06 | Guerin | ErichK: /msg dpkg releases |
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| 06:09.17 | paperboyy | have a question for a test review in an OS class... |
| 06:09.22 | paperboyy | Suppose a machine supports a 32 bit virtual address space that uses a two level page table. The machine has a physical memory size of 2 gigabye. pages are 2 kilobytes. The first level page table has 64 entries. |
| 06:09.30 | stoned | if I had a copule of million dollars, I'd buy each DD a brand spankin new machines |
| 06:09.31 | paperboyy | how many bits are used to index the second level page table? |
| 06:09.33 | Guerin | paperboyy: we don't do homework help |
| 06:09.35 | liable | paperboyy: and you want us to do your homework? |
| 06:09.39 | paperboyy | just trying to review for a test here if anyone can help itd be very appreciated |
| 06:09.45 | liable | god damn |
| 06:09.48 | rahul | man, the bass player is faster than les claypool |
| 06:09.52 | Guerin | paperboyy: the answer is in your class's course maqterial |
| 06:09.53 | liable | Guerin: stop reading my mind! |
| 06:10.00 | stoned | aint nobody faster than claypool |
| 06:10.04 | liable | ans typing faster |
| 06:10.05 | paperboyy | I wish it were |
| 06:10.06 | stoned | maybe necrophagist bassist |
| 06:10.09 | paperboyy | I cant really find this stuff |
| 06:10.09 | Guerin | liable: i try, but it's like a train wreck ... i can't look away |
| 06:10.22 | liable | heh |
| 06:10.23 | cast | paperboyy: rtfks i wonder |
| 06:10.29 | liable | if only you really knew |
| 06:10.32 | rahul | paperboyy: how many bits are needed to index a page? |
| 06:10.36 | stoned | !rtfks |
| 06:10.39 | Guerin | liable: i should have said `plane crash' |
| 06:10.40 | stoned | bah |
| 06:10.41 | rahul | stoned: dude, this guy is wild |
| 06:10.47 | liable | indeed |
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| 06:11.02 | Guerin | liable: so how about those cheeky yaapies, then |
| 06:11.06 | stoned | didn't the people from sweet home alabama die in a plane crash |
| 06:11.09 | rahul | wow, out of montreal |
| 06:11.16 | Guerin | stoned: no. |
| 06:11.16 | liable | Guerin: yappies? |
| 06:11.23 | rahul | stoned: that was buddy holly |
| 06:11.27 | Guerin | liable: the ones from Sifrica |
| 06:11.29 | paperboyy | rahul I dont know |
| 06:11.35 | Guerin | stoned: and john denver |
| 06:11.42 | stoned | rahul: you ever get any SoP? |
| 06:11.45 | cast | !rtfks |
| 06:11.45 | dpkg | read the fucking kernel source |
| 06:11.47 | liable | Guerin: i didnt see the game. didnt they beat the allblacks? |
| 06:11.47 | cast | :) |
| 06:11.51 | stoned | cast: thanks man |
| 06:12.07 | liable | Guerin: i am gonna be in the UK in october, might head over to france |
| 06:12.12 | stoned | dpkg ggs is go get stoned |
| 06:12.13 | dpkg | okay, stoned |
| 06:12.16 | stoned | :D |
| 06:12.18 | rahul | paperboyy: ok, guess you're gonna fail |
| 06:12.20 | Guerin | liable: hilarious. No, they lost in the last ten minutes, and then decided to send a b-team for the away leg of the tri-nations |
| 06:12.23 | paperboyy | haha ouchie |
| 06:12.36 | Guerin | liable: the ARU are making noises about cancelling their match |
| 06:12.48 | rahul | paperboyy: if you can't figure that out... |
| 06:12.53 | liable | Guerin: ah, thats right, SA in the lead till the last 5 mins or so. I didnt see it but someone mentioned it |
| 06:12.57 | rahul | stoned: hrm, don't think so |
| 06:13.05 | stoned | rahul: spawnofpossession.com |
| 06:13.23 | Guerin | liable: yeh. they want to save their elderly players for the cup |
| 06:13.25 | stoned | rahul: remember the 7+6string harmonized shred |
| 06:13.27 | rahul | heard some |
| 06:13.34 | rahul | didn't buy any |
| 06:13.47 | rahul | I guess they have tracks for download on the site, so I can at least get those |
| 06:13.57 | liable | Guerin: hah |
| 06:14.07 | stoned | rahul: you never heard me say anything about torrents ok? |
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| 06:14.15 | F-Lelo | Hi guys... |
| 06:14.18 | stoned | hello |
| 06:14.18 | rahul | stoned: heh |
| 06:14.32 | stoned | boox? |
| 06:14.43 | liable | Guerin: I havent much been following, this godforsaken state seems to have a love affair with aussie rules <blech> |
| 06:14.49 | F-Lelo | How could I set up a way to let the company that makes the home pages here send the new home pages to the server and it be presented (updated) in apache2 without security risks? |
| 06:14.54 | stoned | rahul: Guerin was trying to speak urdu the other day... he said kia hal hai or something |
| 06:15.07 | paperboyy | rahul since pages are 2 kilobytes, you need 16,384 bits to index a page |
| 06:15.18 | rahul | stoned: hehe |
| 06:15.29 | rahul | paperboyy: to index one?? |
| 06:15.56 | F-Lelo | ... no noe? :D |
| 06:15.58 | F-Lelo | one* |
| 06:16.02 | cast | F-Lelo: are you asking how to take websites with security issues, and remove the security issues? serving only static would do most of that :> |
| 06:16.26 | cafuego | F-Lelo: ftp, dav |
| 06:16.35 | Guerin | liable: it's a pretty crazy game, that one. |
| 06:17.02 | liable | depends where the server root is |
| 06:17.06 | rahul | man, it's good to finally have pandora back |
| 06:17.12 | rahul | even if it's only for two weeks |
| 06:17.13 | F-Lelo | cast & cafuego: I'm not really experienced, as you can see... I'm only afraid of the communication between the HP making company and the server... they had problems before with other clients that got "hacked" with the password leak and I want to avoid this |
| 06:17.13 | Guerin | stoned: i must stop procrastinating and start studying |
| 06:17.22 | rahul | and then all the music I listen to will be gone :\ |
| 06:17.33 | Guerin | stoned: i have to meet the prof tomorrow and report progress |
| 06:17.39 | stoned | study hard |
| 06:17.42 | F-Lelo | cast & cafuego: I'd like to set a ftp server without risking the rest of the system to be compromised in case the passwords leaks from them |
| 06:17.42 | stoned | im going to bed |
| 06:17.45 | stoned | g'night |
| 06:17.48 | rahul | heh |
| 06:17.51 | rahul | night |
| 06:18.01 | Guerin | F-Lelo: use virtual users, and/or require key authentication |
| 06:18.01 | F-Lelo | night stoned :) |
| 06:18.14 | Guerin | hm, and doesn't work |
| 06:18.24 | F-Lelo | ham... doesn't? |
| 06:18.31 | paperboyy | well I have the answer here its 2^11 bytes/page but I dont know how to arrive at that |
| 06:18.52 | F-Lelo | hehe cast :D |
| 06:19.28 | F-Lelo | Guerin: you'd say it doesn't work? |
| 06:19.48 | Guerin | F-Lelo: choose either virtual users OR key-based ssh/sftp auth. |
| 06:20.30 | Guerin | F-Lelo: vsftpd can do the former, sshd the latter. |
| 06:20.30 | cafuego | F-Lelo: webdav over ssl with key based auth |
| 06:20.30 | Guerin | that works, too |
| 06:20.31 | Guerin | but too many moving parts for my taste |
| 06:20.31 | paperboyy | oh oh 2 kilobytes |
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| 06:20.35 | cafuego | Of course, some luser WILL lose the key or use an insecure password. |
| 06:20.44 | Guerin | i'd just set up a key-only user with scponly for a shell |
| 06:20.59 | cast | let me in is my favourite passwd |
| 06:21.03 | Guerin | and a homedir of /var/www/badgers |
| 06:21.08 | F-Lelo | The problem is that the company people are more noobs than me |
| 06:21.10 | F-Lelo | hehehe |
| 06:21.12 | paperboyy | rahul so pages are 2 kilobytes, or 2048 bytes. you need 2048 bytes to index one page |
| 06:21.17 | F-Lelo | they won't know to use scp, I guess |
| 06:21.17 | cafuego | Guerin: you'd want to chroot jail them ideally |
| 06:21.22 | Guerin | F-Lelo: then prescribe and document a wrkflow for them |
| 06:21.23 | cafuego | F-Lelo: winscp! |
| 06:21.24 | t35t0r | is there a debian x86 "snapshot" of the coreutils and stuff I would need to get past this libc is too old blockage? |
| 06:21.38 | Guerin | F-Lelo: document it well, so you can answer all queries with Alan Cox's answer: RTFM |
| 06:21.45 | F-Lelo | hmmm, ok, that seems a good idea |
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| 06:21.46 | Guerin | yes, winscp is my choice too |
| 06:21.51 | F-Lelo | well... next question |
| 06:21.55 | liable | no |
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| 06:21.58 | rahul | paperboyy: no, 2048 bytes are IN A PAGE |
| 06:22.05 | liable | you have used todays quota |
| 06:22.06 | cafuego | However, chrooting ssh users can be tricky, you' |
| 06:22.10 | cafuego | d need to patch ssh. |
| 06:22.14 | F-Lelo | how do I set up their user to update to the /var/www/ directory and not to anywhere else? |
| 06:22.18 | Guerin | don't chroot them |
| 06:22.20 | F-Lelo | I just set it as $HTTPD_HOME? |
| 06:22.22 | Guerin | chroot ssh is stupid |
| 06:22.27 | rahul | a page number is not as big as a page |
| 06:22.28 | cafuego | F-Lelo: check change their home directory |
| 06:22.42 | liable | i would just put server root in home and limit them to sftp shell |
| 06:22.44 | cafuego | Guerin: not! |
| 06:22.48 | Guerin | cafuego: too! |
| 06:22.50 | cafuego | Guerin: not! |
| 06:22.56 | Guerin | !chroot ssh |
| 06:22.57 | dpkg | ssh chroot is probably Stop. Read http://www.ecediltd.com/la/secureshell@securityfocus.com/0771.html and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
| 06:23.01 | Guerin | I win! |
| 06:23.15 | cafuego | wasteful of disk space? |
| 06:23.17 | F-Lelo | I lose anyway hehehe |
| 06:23.18 | cafuego | haha |
| 06:23.28 | cafuego | who wrote that, sone one who runs a system off floppies? |
| 06:23.32 | cast | why chroot when you can vserver? :) |
| 06:23.37 | Guerin | cafuego: in fairness, he was speaking in about 2000 |
| 06:23.40 | F-Lelo | hey hey |
| 06:23.40 | cafuego | Guerin: I know the jail can be broken |
| 06:23.41 | F-Lelo | <liable> i would just put server root in home and limit them to sftp shell |
| 06:23.44 | F-Lelo | is this a good idea? |
| 06:23.47 | F-Lelo | seems like it is |
| 06:23.54 | Guerin | yes, that is exactly what I'd do |
| 06:24.02 | Guerin | no chrootardedness |
| 06:24.04 | F-Lelo | okie dokie! :D |
| 06:24.11 | F-Lelo | thank you, let me try that |
| 06:24.17 | F-Lelo | if I get owned, I'll talk to you again hehehehe |
| 06:24.34 | cafuego | However, none of the users i have with a chroot know what a chroot is ;-) |
| 06:24.34 | t35t0r | is there a debian x86 "snapshot" of the coreutils and stuff I would need to get past this libc is too old blockage? |
| 06:24.43 | Guerin | F-Lelo: I'll give you every cent of your money back, plus compensatory damages of 1,000,000% |
| 06:25.03 | F-Lelo | Guerin: very nice of you! |
| 06:25.04 | F-Lelo | hehehehehe |
| 06:25.15 | Guerin | t35t0r: post the error to paster |
| 06:25.27 | Guerin | t35t0r: the answer is: you're probably doing something wrong |
| 06:25.36 | Guerin | (such as not reading the install guide) |
| 06:25.38 | F-Lelo | Think about it, man... If it was not C, we'd be using BASI, OBOL e PASAL. |
| 06:25.42 | F-Lelo | @_@ |
| 06:25.56 | netdaemon | =\ |
| 06:26.06 | F-Lelo | that bad, netdaemon? |
| 06:26.06 | F-Lelo | hehehe |
| 06:26.09 | t35t0r | Guerin, uhh no i can't get past this block: http://rafb.net/p/ylpo9R36.html no matter what i do ..try to install aptitude |
| 06:26.36 | F-Lelo | netdaemon: one more try |
| 06:26.44 | F-Lelo | The truth is out there! Does anyone knows the URL? |
| 06:26.54 | F-Lelo | `o.O´ |
| 06:26.57 | F-Lelo | ok, I'll stop |
| 06:26.58 | F-Lelo | =X |
| 06:27.10 | t35t0r | nothing is working .. i need a binary update of all the coreutils / libc etc |
| 06:27.11 | netdaemon | F-Lelo: well a package i'm looking forward to is taking an awefully long time to get to the repos |
| 06:27.12 | Guerin | t35t0r: don't bother. Uninstall aptitude and use apt-get for the first step. |
| 06:27.17 | Guerin | no, you don't |
| 06:27.19 | t35t0r | Guerin, it's not working |
| 06:27.23 | t35t0r | what's the first step? |
| 06:27.23 | Guerin | ffs |
| 06:27.30 | Guerin | from woody->sarge |
| 06:27.34 | netdaemon | F-Lelo: "As a side note, the package currently built requires libpoppler 0.5 which is only in experimental, so it'll take some time before the package appears in unstable." |
| 06:27.35 | Guerin | just use apt-get |
| 06:27.42 | t35t0r | i looked at that |
| 06:27.43 | netdaemon | its been 366 days |
| 06:27.51 | t35t0r | http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release-notes/ap-old-stuff.en.html#s-old-upgrade |
| 06:28.01 | Guerin | t35t0r: before upgrading you should remove any packages which aren't utterly necessary, too |
| 06:28.03 | F-Lelo | netdaemon: damn, you're counting the days lol |
| 06:28.04 | F-Lelo | o_O |
| 06:28.09 | netdaemon | F-Lelo: no |
| 06:28.13 | netdaemon | it states it on this page |
| 06:28.14 | t35t0r | Guerin, libc isn't necessary? |
| 06:28.16 | F-Lelo | man, that was a joke....... |
| 06:28.16 | t35t0r | lol |
| 06:28.17 | F-Lelo | heheheheheh |
| 06:28.19 | Guerin | t35t0r: yes, but it clearly is't working, so stabilise on sarge before you proceed. |
| 06:28.24 | netdaemon | http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/being_packaged |
| 06:28.28 | Guerin | t35t0r: libc *is* necessary |
| 06:28.35 | netdaemon | well thats disheartening |
| 06:28.40 | t35t0r | uninstall libc and then install sarge's libc? |
| 06:28.42 | yea103746 | anyone here ever use Gftp ? |
| 06:28.44 | F-Lelo | hehehe... don't worry |
| 06:28.46 | t35t0r | i need a straightforward answer |
| 06:28.48 | F-Lelo | I'm in a grate mood, don't mind me |
| 06:28.49 | Guerin | !anyone use gftp? |
| 06:28.50 | dpkg | No, no one uses gftp, not even the people who use it. |
| 06:28.53 | F-Lelo | it's my birthday today xD |
| 06:29.02 | Guerin | t35t0r: ok. Here's the simplest answer. |
| 06:29.05 | bootuu | Guerin: I'm using |
| 06:29.08 | Guerin | !d-i t35t0r |
| 06:29.08 | dpkg | t35t0r, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 06:29.11 | netdaemon | F-Lelo: it should not take that long for such a simple package =( |
| 06:29.15 | Guerin | bootuu: you lie |
| 06:29.20 | bootuu | g |
| 06:29.21 | netdaemon | its a gtk2 pdf viewer that dosn't depend on gnome libs |
| 06:29.27 | F-Lelo | netdaemon: Fo Sho! hehe not fear... =/ |
| 06:29.28 | bootuu | Guerin: Why? |
| 06:29.30 | netdaemon | epdfview it is |
| 06:29.32 | Guerin | bootuu: because. |
| 06:29.42 | t35t0r | is that CD gonna wipe everything? |
| 06:29.52 | Guerin | t35t0r: yes. |
| 06:29.58 | Guerin | t35t0r: well, not necessarily. |
| 06:30.05 | bootuu | Guerin: because ? |
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| 06:30.10 | Guerin | bootuu: of the reason. |
| 06:30.12 | t35t0r | it's gonna wipe my config files? |
| 06:30.19 | liable | t35t0r: a reinstall really is a good option. carefully consider it. (it only takes 30 mins for a base install) |
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| 06:30.34 | yea103746 | does gFTP if you are connected ot a server is thier anything where it can open a shell session ? |
| 06:30.34 | liable | t35t0r: it will wipe everything in / |
| 06:30.39 | bootuu | Guerin: what are you talking? |
| 06:30.43 | Guerin | t35t0r: yes. I don't have time to hand-hold you through TWO dist-upgrades. |
| 06:30.56 | Guerin | bootuu: i am talking english. What are you talking? |
| 06:31.09 | bootuu | Guerin: all right |
| 06:31.14 | Guerin | yea103746: consult the documentation |
| 06:31.46 | F-Lelo | MAN! |
| 06:31.50 | liable | t35t0r: backup /etc |
| 06:31.51 | F-Lelo | wtf did I eat/drink/smoke |
| 06:31.58 | F-Lelo | I feel like there is someone next to me all the time o_O |
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| 06:32.06 | liable | ... |
| 06:32.28 | F-Lelo | I got all white now, man |
| 06:32.36 | F-Lelo | thinking someone was here lol |
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| 06:33.01 | vipernicus | F-Lelo: lack of sleep? |
| 06:33.15 | F-Lelo | vipernicus: might be... more than 24h now hehehe |
| 06:33.22 | F-Lelo | but I'm used to it, or at least I should be |
| 06:33.23 | vipernicus | yep, lack of sleep |
| 06:33.32 | liable | maybe his mom is a hippy and made a *special* birthday cake? |
| 06:33.34 | F-Lelo | vipernicus: you are good at guessing hehehe |
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| 06:33.47 | F-Lelo | liable: hahahaha no way, mom is against all goodies :D~ |
| 06:33.50 | vipernicus | dr. vipernicus says take a couple of somas and tell me how your paranoia is |
| 06:34.01 | vipernicus | the somas will knock you out |
| 06:34.06 | F-Lelo | somas ? |
| 06:34.08 | Guerin | a gram is better than a damn |
| 06:34.09 | vipernicus | and you'll catch up on your sleep |
| 06:34.13 | F-Lelo | sorry, bad english here (mine) |
| 06:34.14 | F-Lelo | hehehe |
| 06:34.17 | vipernicus | soma = muscle relaxant |
| 06:34.25 | F-Lelo | oic o_O |
| 06:34.30 | vipernicus | might be called something different in other countries |
| 06:34.39 | F-Lelo | me me me <- Brazil |
| 06:34.42 | Guerin | 24h is weak |
| 06:34.51 | F-Lelo | Guerin: errr... a day? |
| 06:34.55 | liable | F-Lelo: ah, have some coke then! |
| 06:34.59 | F-Lelo | it's nothing |
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| 06:35.08 | yea103746 | I lived in Brazil |
| 06:35.10 | F-Lelo | liable: I am having guarana (the drink) |
| 06:35.12 | yea103746 | for 8 years |
| 06:35.13 | Guerin | my record is 56h ... with a broken shoulder, and including five flights |
| 06:35.17 | F-Lelo | yea103746: whre? :) |
| 06:35.19 | F-Lelo | where* |
| 06:35.22 | yea103746 | RJ |
| 06:35.34 | F-Lelo | yea103746: oh, nice! I live in the south, Floripa... know it? |
| 06:35.46 | yea103746 | well RJ for 5 years and like 3 years in Natal |
| 06:35.51 | vipernicus | nexuiz: Depends: libcurl4 but it is not installable |
| 06:35.54 | vipernicus | debian sid is annoying sometimes |
| 06:35.56 | F-Lelo | WaHHH... why'd you live in Natal, man? |
| 06:36.03 | yea103746 | F-Lelo, of course one oif the better brazillian cities |
| 06:36.04 | liable | vipernicus: yes |
| 06:36.12 | yea103746 | you dont like Natal ? |
| 06:36.16 | yea103746 | i liked it |
| 06:36.23 | yea103746 | fathers job F-Lelo |
| 06:36.23 | F-Lelo | yea103746: for sure, mate! :D~ #1 quality of life in Brazil |
| 06:36.28 | F-Lelo | yang: ah, I've been there twice |
| 06:36.31 | F-Lelo | too much poberty, man =/ |
| 06:36.36 | yea103746 | which ? |
| 06:36.37 | F-Lelo | I feel sorry for everyone there |
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| 06:36.41 | F-Lelo | really =/ |
| 06:36.47 | yea103746 | natal or RJ ? |
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| 06:37.02 | F-Lelo | Natal |
| 06:37.07 | F-Lelo | Rio is just too violent |
| 06:37.20 | yea103746 | well |
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| 06:37.30 | yea103746 | depends |
| 06:37.51 | yea103746 | Floripa is good though ......American Standards of living |
| 06:37.51 | F-Lelo | I've been to Flamengo vs Fluminense in Maraca... |
| 06:37.59 | F-Lelo | man... it's crazy |
| 06:38.02 | F-Lelo | hmmm yup |
| 06:38.07 | F-Lelo | #1 quality of life in Brazil |
| 06:38.09 | Guerin | i miss being in the third world |
| 06:38.10 | yea103746 | but i didnt think Natal was to bad it was pretty safe |
| 06:38.14 | F-Lelo | 7 women per man... err... better than american! |
| 06:38.15 | F-Lelo | hehehehe |
| 06:38.25 | F-Lelo | yeah yeah! it is safe, but it's too poor, tho |
| 06:38.25 | yea103746 | ;) |
| 06:38.28 | Guerin | it's not nearly crazy enough here in civilisation |
| 06:38.37 | yea103746 | I live in Miami Florida -> USA -> southeast now |
| 06:38.49 | F-Lelo | oh, pretty good |
| 06:38.51 | netdaemon | hrm |
| 06:38.51 | F-Lelo | never been there myself yet |
| 06:38.57 | yea103746 | you know of it ? |
| 06:38.57 | F-Lelo | but I intend to go soon |
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| 06:39.25 | yea103746 | Miami is my favorite city |
| 06:39.42 | F-Lelo | * debhelper sets mode: +l 736 <<< clone attacks still? |
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| 06:40.01 | yea103746 | but yea i put Floripa on a usa standard .......... but alot of brazil needs help |
| 06:40.03 | F-Lelo | yea103746: I bet you have grate reasons for that! the fame of the city is awesome! hehehe :D |
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| 06:40.10 | F-Lelo | for sure, mate =/ |
| 06:40.21 | F-Lelo | if you live just in Floripa, you see a whole different Brazil than the rest |
| 06:40.22 | yea103746 | im American we dont say mate ;) |
| 06:40.26 | F-Lelo | well, the south is totally different |
| 06:40.30 | F-Lelo | hmmm yeah I know |
| 06:40.31 | yea103746 | of course |
| 06:40.40 | F-Lelo | it's just cause I'm friends with lots of Israeli and Australian people |
| 06:40.41 | F-Lelo | heheheh |
| 06:40.45 | yea103746 | yea |
| 06:40.46 | F-Lelo | they say mate all the time |
| 06:40.50 | netdaemon | does anyone know of any gtk2 pdf viewers that don't require an assload of gnome? |
| 06:40.51 | yea103746 | i mean NO ONE says mate here lol |
| 06:40.52 | F-Lelo | also brittish |
| 06:40.56 | F-Lelo | hahahaha |
| 06:41.02 | F-Lelo | I'm used to it |
| 06:41.03 | yea103746 | fuck them europeans :P |
| 06:41.06 | F-Lelo | it stuck with my english knowledge |
| 06:41.25 | F-Lelo | were you born in Brazil or...? |
| 06:41.33 | yea103746 | i also lived in europe |
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| 06:41.43 | yea103746 | nope born in Miami |
| 06:41.49 | F-Lelo | hmmm |
| 06:41.52 | yea103746 | moved too brazil at age 11 |
| 06:41.53 | F-Lelo | how about your portuguese skills? |
| 06:41.56 | F-Lelo | how is it? :) |
| 06:41.59 | F-Lelo | is it good? |
| 06:42.11 | jstevens | I'm running Lenny. Did an 'aptitude update' 'aptitude dist-upgrade' and now X fails to start saying it can't find my nVidia driver. Anybody know of any issues regarding this before I go scouring around? The nVidia kernel module was installed via the nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 package and was working before my most recent dist-upgrade. Xorg was upgraded with the most recent dist-upgrade. Any thoughts? |
| 06:42.15 | yea103746 | Of course i can speak portuguese ;) but it get over ridden alot since i use spanish daily ;) |
| 06:42.31 | F-Lelo | oh.. so you must get really confused sometimes hahaha |
| 06:42.38 | F-Lelo | I came back from itally asking for AQUA in the plane lol |
| 06:42.39 | yea103746 | i need to brush up on my portuguese |
| 06:42.43 | Guerin | jstevens: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 06:42.45 | F-Lelo | and I was only 3 weeks there hehee |
| 06:42.53 | Guerin | jstevens: you probably need to re-do the kernel module |
| 06:43.03 | yea103746 | yea i have traveled europe |
| 06:43.25 | jstevens | Guerin: You mean remove and re-install nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686? |
| 06:43.40 | F-Lelo | yea103746: você consegue ler os acentos? |
| 06:43.40 | liable | if your kernel was upgraded |
| 06:44.05 | jstevens | Guerin: It's a pre-built module. I'm not using module assistant nor has my kernel changed. |
| 06:44.11 | yea103746 | F-Lelo, im happy to know you live in floripa though ;) |
| 06:44.21 | liable | F-Lelo: we put up with OT talk to a certain extent, non-english crosses the line |
| 06:44.38 | F-Lelo | liable: it was a challenge to him only :) |
| 06:44.46 | branstrom | Hmm. Can Pageant supply keys to ssh sessions initiated while logged in on SSH (via PuTTY) ? |
| 06:44.49 | F-Lelo | like "Can you read the accent?" |
| 06:45.03 | branstrom | Because I don't want to copy my privkeys to my server |
| 06:45.14 | yea103746 | F-Lelo, lol |
| 06:45.20 | branstrom | But it needs to be able to connect to repositories with svn+ssh on other servers |
| 06:45.30 | F-Lelo | yea103746: take a look on wikipedia about florianopolis, man! the presentation picture is awesome |
| 06:45.33 | yea103746 | more like Can you obtain |
| 06:45.45 | yea103746 | yea i know all about floripa |
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| 06:45.53 | yea103746 | its nice i would feel safe there |
| 06:46.03 | yea103746 | and im a freak when it comes to un safe places lol |
| 06:46.23 | yea103746 | Miami used ot be pretty violent though :D |
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| 06:46.26 | F-Lelo | yea103746: me too! I felt so unsafe in Serbia, man... argh! I'll never get back there... ever... =/ |
| 06:46.53 | wireddd | how can I get a program to play audio out of the surround sound jack on my sound card only? |
| 06:47.01 | yea103746 | F-Lelo, Rj is pretty iffffy |
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| 06:47.08 | wireddd | using alsa |
| 06:47.13 | F-Lelo | yea103746: yeah! I don't walk there alone, only with 4-5 friends... |
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| 06:47.24 | yea103746 | yep |
| 06:47.25 | F-Lelo | and even then, we can't go everywhere... I guess you know what I mean |
| 06:47.34 | yea103746 | yep |
| 06:47.41 | yea103746 | i know exactly what you mean |
| 06:47.55 | yea103746 | i wear nice clothes too |
| 06:48.01 | Guerin | jstevens: ok, that being the case, you've exhausted what I know about nvidia's proprietary crap |
| 06:48.05 | yea103746 | when i goto brazil i go plain as hell |
| 06:48.10 | Guerin | jstevens: what happens when you try to load the module? |
| 06:48.17 | F-Lelo | hehehe... in floripa it's ok, tho |
| 06:48.22 | yea103746 | sure |
| 06:48.37 | yea103746 | thats why i like miami though ... nice clothes jewerly nnnew shoes its all good ;) |
| 06:48.50 | yea103746 | in sao paulo thats a death sentence |
| 06:48.59 | F-Lelo | talk about a laugh... I was walkign with my palm in hands when my friend from Rio (that was visiting me) said: "man, hide that thing, what are you trying to do?" |
| 06:48.59 | F-Lelo | lol |
| 06:49.05 | F-Lelo | I coudn't live like that, no way man hehehe |
| 06:49.23 | yea103746 | palm computer ? |
| 06:49.27 | yea103746 | handheald ? |
| 06:49.27 | F-Lelo | hehehe yes |
| 06:49.29 | yea103746 | ah |
| 06:49.33 | yea103746 | Yea man |
| 06:49.37 | yea103746 | tough ways ;) |
| 06:49.54 | F-Lelo | in Floripa it's ok, not in Rio/Sao Paulo, tho |
| 06:50.02 | yea103746 | i will rpolly go backj to rio though to visit |
| 06:50.05 | F-Lelo | he was used like it is at his home hehehe |
| 06:50.10 | jstevens | Guerin: modprobe nvidia loads the nvidia module without error. |
| 06:50.14 | F-Lelo | hmmm the PAN is there now |
| 06:50.17 | F-Lelo | this month I guess |
| 06:50.26 | yea103746 | yes |
| 06:50.27 | F-Lelo | oh... today Brazilian Sellection plays on TV \o/ |
| 06:50.37 | yea103746 | theres some places in miami i wouldnt want my palm out though ;) |
| 06:50.54 | F-Lelo | really? o_O |
| 06:51.18 | yea103746 | Yea i like brazil alot its the only country i have ever found that somehwat has the same thinking as the usa in some ways |
| 06:51.24 | yea103746 | F-Lelo, yes the ghetto |
| 06:51.33 | F-Lelo | aaaah... the ghetto! hehehe |
| 06:51.38 | yea103746 | yea |
| 06:51.43 | jstevens | I wonder if, perhaps, the nVidial module included in nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 doesn't work with the new version of xorg. |
| 06:51.43 | yea103746 | otherwise your fine |
| 06:52.03 | F-Lelo | yea103746: I see :D but someone from FAVELA here would ripp off ghetto people there! hehehe |
| 06:52.06 | liable | jstevens: so check the bts |
| 06:52.15 | yea103746 | F-Lelo, prolly |
| 06:52.30 | yea103746 | theres osme rally rough places in New Jersey though |
| 06:52.36 | yea103746 | like favela style ;) |
| 06:52.41 | F-Lelo | yea103746: it's for sure, man... people here are always with AR15 riffles and shit =/ |
| 06:52.50 | jstevens | Okie... |
| 06:52.53 | netdaemon | o_O... |
| 06:52.58 | netdaemon | is the bittorrent package orphaned? |
| 06:52.59 | F-Lelo | yeeeeah.. no kidding =/ |
| 06:53.08 | netdaemon | its ancient, even in unstable! |
| 06:53.11 | yea103746 | you ever goto Rocinha ? |
| 06:53.19 | F-Lelo | yeah! that's fucking HUGE favela man |
| 06:53.24 | F-Lelo | it doesn't seem to have an end! |
| 06:53.26 | yea103746 | have you been there ? |
| 06:53.33 | F-Lelo | yes, not INSIDE, but on the side of it |
| 06:53.41 | F-Lelo | and I had a helicopter flight near it |
| 06:53.41 | yea103746 | i have been all through it |
| 06:53.54 | yea103746 | i had a gf that lived in there |
| 06:54.04 | F-Lelo | wow man... that's fucking scary hahahaha |
| 06:54.18 | F-Lelo | in Floripa we have GORGEOUS girls and they are all kinda rich... |
| 06:54.20 | yea103746 | well some of her family lived around there |
| 06:54.22 | F-Lelo | I prefer here hahaha ^^ |
| 06:54.30 | yea103746 | she lived in an apartment |
| 06:54.40 | yea103746 | yea i know ;) |
| 06:54.57 | yea103746 | she was different ...not stupid or un educated she got out but yea |
| 06:55.22 | F-Lelo | man, my made doesn't know how to write |
| 06:55.24 | yea103746 | i jus dont see why the government doest start doing shit right |
| 06:55.33 | yea103746 | you have a maid ??? |
| 06:55.35 | F-Lelo | she copies stuff from labels to make the market list |
| 06:55.40 | F-Lelo | yes |
| 06:55.43 | yea103746 | holy shit |
| 06:55.45 | F-Lelo | I said "made" hahah sorry |
| 06:55.48 | yea103746 | you rich homie ? |
| 06:55.54 | F-Lelo | ah man, you know that in Brazil maids re cheap |
| 06:56.04 | F-Lelo | I pay R500,00 a month for her |
| 06:56.08 | yea103746 | i dont remember to much about maids |
| 06:56.09 | F-Lelo | that in US is U$250 now |
| 06:56.16 | Cotton-swab | http://infocushosting.net/wii.html |
| 06:56.18 | F-Lelo | and she's here 6 hours a day |
| 06:56.25 | yea103746 | F-Lelo, where is she from ? |
| 06:56.30 | F-Lelo | she lives nearby |
| 06:56.34 | yea103746 | ah |
| 06:56.37 | yea103746 | well thats sad |
| 06:56.37 | F-Lelo | like... 600 meters from here |
| 06:56.48 | F-Lelo | she is luckly tho... |
| 06:56.53 | yea103746 | reading is a good skill |
| 06:56.55 | F-Lelo | most maids live like 45km from where they work hehehe |
| 06:57.04 | liable | Cotton-swab: erm? |
| 06:57.05 | yea103746 | yes |
| 06:57.13 | F-Lelo | yeah... my mom and I... we are teaching her to read and write |
| 06:57.15 | yea103746 | F-Lelo, here maids would not be that cheap |
| 06:57.23 | F-Lelo | she reads a lot and writes some things already hehehe |
| 06:57.29 | F-Lelo | yeah, I can immagine hehehe |
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| 06:57.39 | yea103746 | your looking at like 1,000 usd per week + |
| 06:57.41 | liable | can you guys go to #debian-offtopic or something? |
| 06:57.43 | F-Lelo | it's even cheaper, but our money got valued lately |
| 06:57.49 | F-Lelo | hahaha okie, sorry liable |
| 06:57.54 | yea103746 | :P |
| 06:57.57 | F-Lelo | pvt it's a good choice |
| 06:58.06 | liable | no problem |
| 06:58.59 | branstrom | http://www.unixwiz.net/techtips/ssh-agent-forwarding.html <- really nice guide |
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| 07:01.56 | liable | thats better, now I can watch parts/joins.. :P |
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| 07:02.27 | F-Lelo | hahahahahahahhaha |
| 07:02.28 | rossMoHaX | hi all! I've added local repo, installed some debs from it via aptitude, then I decided to remove all of them and install packages from official repo. So I remove them with aptitude purge, then clean repo url from sources.list, done aptitude update, and then tried to install packages with same name. I expect that it will install then from official repo, but it still install deb from my own old repo! How could I fix it? |
| 07:03.31 | liable | rossMoHaX: if your old repos packages had a higher version number, it will use them. 'aptitude clean' to clear your cache |
| 07:04.07 | Cotton-swab | I need some assistance |
| 07:04.19 | Cotton-swab | My computer keeps tao dancing |
| 07:04.23 | Cotton-swab | (tap |
| 07:04.25 | Cotton-swab | *tap |
| 07:05.40 | rossMoHaX | liable, yes, my debs has version number higher that in off repo. aptitude clean doesn't help =( |
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| 07:05.51 | Cotton-swab | someone please |
| 07:05.56 | Cotton-swab | my computer won't stop |
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| 07:06.08 | F-Lelo | got disc., I'm back for liable's pleasure :D~ |
| 07:06.24 | liable | rossMoHaX: an update should've fixed it. try dpkg --clear-avail |
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| 07:06.30 | liable | then update |
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| 07:07.15 | mcquaid | i'm trying to connect to boxes via samba. I noticed that when I do smbclient -L 192.168...... on either machine |
| 07:07.35 | liable | F-Lelo: is the ~ supposed to be a little beard? |
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| 07:07.39 | mcquaid | each one reports a different workgroup name. even though workgroup = workgroup in both conf files |
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| 07:07.55 | F-Lelo | liable: yup... I guess |
| 07:08.03 | mcquaid | i changed it on one, and noticed that smbclient had listed the domain as changed and not the actual workgroup |
| 07:08.07 | rossMoHaX | liable: so, how to clean cache completely? |
| 07:08.11 | mcquaid | so how does one change the workgroup? |
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| 07:08.22 | liable | rossMoHaX: dpkg --clear-avail |
| 07:08.27 | liable | rossMoHaX: then update |
| 07:08.35 | rossMoHaX | it still install debs from missing repo! even more - I couldn't even find such deb on hdd =) |
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| 07:09.48 | liable | rossMoHaX: just an update should have fixed it. paste your sources list |
| 07:11.05 | liable | rossMoHaX: have you done pinning or just added a local repo? |
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| 07:11.40 | rossMoHaX | liable: what is pinning? |
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| 07:12.09 | liable | rossMoHaX: if you dont know, disregard my question :) |
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| 07:14.09 | rossMoHaX | liable: I've made repo with apt-ftparchive tools |
| 07:14.17 | rossMoHaX | from bunch of local debs |
| 07:14.25 | liable | rossMoHaX: paste your sources |
| 07:14.47 | liable | rossMoHaX: you really shouldnt be having this problem if you deleted the repo from your sources |
| 07:15.06 | liable | and especially so if you clear caches |
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| 07:16.16 | samesame | is there a book/manual on how to use debian from scratch? |
| 07:16.28 | liable | !reference |
| 07:16.28 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 07:16.47 | cast | samesame: read the install manual, too, debian.org/doc/ |
| 07:17.04 | samesame | is there a hard copy version i can buy? |
| 07:17.27 | liable | samesame: that is about as good as it gets from the official peoples. debianadministration.org is a quite good site for that sorta stuff too |
| 07:17.37 | samesame | thanks |
| 07:17.43 | samesame | now its time to RTFM |
| 07:17.51 | liable | samesame: there are debian bibles, but they are really quite shite |
| 07:18.16 | samesame | it would be nice to have that debian manual as a pdf at least so i could print it out |
| 07:18.27 | cast | liable: www.debian-administration.org even |
| 07:18.29 | samesame | then i can read bits when i go to the toilet etc |
| 07:18.33 | samesame | ok |
| 07:18.41 | liable | samesame: contribute to the project and make one :) |
| 07:18.47 | samesame | good idea |
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| 07:18.54 | cast | samesame: you can get it in pdf |
| 07:19.00 | liable | cast: ya, when i looked at what i had typed i thought it may have been wrong |
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| 07:19.20 | cast | samesame: http://qref.sourceforge.net/ |
| 07:19.44 | samesame | thanks cast |
| 07:19.55 | Guerin | yes |
| 07:20.02 | Guerin | !the debian system |
| 07:20.08 | Guerin | !debian system |
| 07:20.08 | dpkg | it has been said that debian system is The Debian System is a book written by DD madduck, aka Martin Krafft. See http://debiansystem.info |
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| 07:20.28 | Guerin | that book ^^ is both new and reputedly extremely good |
| 07:20.56 | liable | ebook? |
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| 07:21.12 | Guerin | liable: no idea. I know it comes on paper, not sure about other format |
| 07:21.32 | Guerin | dpkg, the debian system is <reply> see debian system |
| 07:21.32 | dpkg | ...but debian system is already something else... |
| 07:21.39 | Guerin | hmm |
| 07:21.44 | liable | erm |
| 07:21.53 | Guerin | dpkg: you're stupid |
| 07:21.55 | cast | hmm, i want a debian book. *wonders if the debian system could do with a faster httpd* |
| 07:21.59 | samesame | 269 pages od debian reference in pdf format :) |
| 07:22.26 | cast | http://nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=debian another link |
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| 07:22.49 | MangosDebian | dpkg: no, the debian system is <reply> see debian system |
| 07:22.49 | dpkg | okay, MangosDebian |
| 07:23.01 | Guerin | fair enough |
| 07:23.06 | cast | the pdf is 27USD |
| 07:23.16 | liable | cast: really? |
| 07:23.28 | liable | interesting |
| 07:23.40 | cast | [for the debian system] thats what nostarch says |
| 07:24.10 | cast | and 1USD goes to debian.org! |
| 07:24.24 | liable | i seem to have an aversion today to searching teh tubes |
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| 07:24.52 | Guerin | maybe SIGBEER is a better approach |
| 07:25.03 | liable | i think thats whats causing it |
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| 07:25.14 | Guerin | liable: the lack of, perhaps. |
| 07:25.26 | liable | no, i have been drinking for 3 hours now |
| 07:25.29 | Guerin | heh |
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| 07:25.35 | Guerin | i should have been |
| 07:25.43 | Guerin | but then, I have done some good research |
| 07:25.59 | Guerin | that should keep the wolves at bay for another day or two |
| 07:26.16 | liable | research is for those who wait for beer to be delivered.. |
| 07:26.33 | samesame | what happens when debian goes into testing again once etch is stable? i dont understand what they need to test again if etch is stable? |
| 07:26.46 | liable | it already is |
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| 07:26.57 | vulture | samesame: the next version.. |
| 07:26.58 | netdaemon | samesame: testing is now "lenny" |
| 07:27.00 | netdaemon | not etch |
| 07:27.05 | ironfroggy | I installed the adduser package, but the command is still not available. any idea what i need? |
| 07:27.10 | samesame | the next version of what? isnt etch good enough? |
| 07:27.33 | vulture | ironfroggy: are you running as root? It'll be in sbin, which won't be in a normal user's path.. |
| 07:27.36 | liable | samesame: its a rolling release. once testing goes stable, theres a new testing. |
| 07:27.44 | ironfroggy | vulture: im doing sudo |
| 07:27.44 | samesame | is it something to do with the way debian communicates with newer kernels? |
| 07:27.45 | netdaemon | samesame: like any other operating system, debian gets updates |
| 07:28.12 | vulture | samesame: um.. no - it's just about getting newer versions of everything, stabilizing them, and releasing the next version of Debian |
| 07:28.25 | liable | samesame: every release has a name. etch is stable. lenny is testing. once lenny is stable, there will be a new testing |
| 07:28.27 | ironfroggy | vulture: and no its not in /sbin |
| 07:28.33 | vulture | ironfroggy: dpkg -L? |
| 07:28.39 | samesame | and cutting edge is unstable? |
| 07:28.47 | vulture | samesame: sid is always unstable, yes. |
| 07:29.10 | vulture | things flow from unstable to testing, and then testing gets stabilized into a release |
| 07:29.28 | ironfroggy | its in /usr/sbin |
| 07:29.42 | F-Lelo | I f*ing forgot how to change locales... apache is not showing the accents of my web pages... hehehe |
| 07:29.43 | liable | !releases |
| 07:29.43 | dpkg | releases is, like, See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 07:29.50 | liable | samesame: ^^ |
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| 07:30.14 | liable | F-Lelo: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 07:30.23 | F-Lelo | thanks |
| 07:30.27 | samesame | so once etch is stable, newer versions of software will be released but that software will need to be tested before it can be released into debian as stable |
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| 07:30.40 | liable | basically yes |
| 07:30.44 | samesame | i see |
| 07:30.53 | liable | except etch is already stable |
| 07:31.05 | samesame | yes |
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| 07:31.34 | samesame | just like there is now a 2.6.21 kernel, but that will have to be tested before it can be released into stable debian |
| 07:31.53 | cydork | samesame: no newer version of software will be included in etch except kernel afaik. |
| 07:31.59 | samesame | because different distros do things differently |
| 07:32.23 | hark | some do it same |
| 07:32.23 | liable | samesame: it wont get into stable. stable is frozen. it will get into the new stable, which is still testing |
| 07:32.29 | liable | if that makes sense |
| 07:32.33 | samesame | yes thats what i mean |
| 07:33.15 | liable | ah thats right, they are talking about a new kernel for etch aren't they |
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| 07:33.29 | samesame | so what happens if a new version of icedove is released and you are using debian etch stable? will u have to wait until the next stable release of debian to use it? |
| 07:33.30 | cydork | liable: yep. |
| 07:33.31 | liable | which is a great idea imo |
| 07:33.35 | cast | really? cool. kvm would be nice |
| 07:33.43 | cydork | samesame: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 07:34.05 | rati | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.20 | rati | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.30 | wols | rati: you asked that before and you've been told before that you should crawl back under your stone, script kiddie |
| 07:34.54 | samesame | im beginning to understand. stable — Most useful for a production server since it is only updated with security |
| 07:34.55 | samesame | fixes |
| 07:35.13 | samesame | i didnt know that! |
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| 07:35.44 | samesame | are any of u guys running testing lenny |
| 07:35.48 | liable | samesame: go have a good look at debian.org its all pretty much explained, though the site isn't really easy to navigate to find what you are after |
| 07:35.59 | MangosDebian | rati: perhaps we can teach you how to make a bomb and machine your own firearms too, so you can "test" how safe your house is? |
| 07:36.01 | samesame | i find that site a bit confusing but ill take a look |
| 07:36.33 | cast | MangosDebian: i feel it is important that i be allowed to test airport security, in order to fight terrorism! |
| 07:36.50 | liable | samesame: i stiil find the site frustrating myself. apparently they are going to try and update it |
| 07:37.11 | samesame | how many months into testing do u consider lenny to be ok to use at home? |
| 07:37.29 | samesame | i was using etch when it was testing because it took ages to go stable |
| 07:37.32 | cafuego | rati: If you can't even use google, whatever you do will be no match for your firewall. |
| 07:37.36 | MangosDebian | cast: lol, thats a better one, thanks :) |
| 07:37.38 | liable | samesame: lenny can be horribly broken at any time |
| 07:37.49 | bon | samesame: however |
| 07:37.55 | bon | samesame: i use it without any problem yet :) |
| 07:37.57 | bon | *yet* |
| 07:37.59 | samesame | heh |
| 07:38.03 | cydork | liable: google for "debian monkeys", installing that greasemonkey script stopped my eyes from hurting :P |
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| 07:38.28 | liable | cydork: eyes hurting from what? |
| 07:38.44 | cydork | liable: from looking at debian.org :P |
| 07:38.48 | rossMoHaX | liable: i've done everything I now =) sources.list contain only dvd and security updates for etch, dpkg --clear-avail and aptitute update was done many times. It still tries to install newer version of deb - exact that one which was in my local repo =( |
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| 07:39.19 | Orionisti | ok guys, I really need help here |
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| 07:39.24 | rossMoHaX | sources.list.d is empty |
| 07:39.33 | samesame | unstable >> testing >> stable. why does one need a unstable and testing? cant u just put unstable together with testing? isnt it more or less the same thing? |
| 07:39.42 | liable | cydork: oh, the site doesnt hurt my eyes, it could just do with a layout change imho. finding what you are after can be quite frustrating i have found. even though you know what you are after is there somewhere |
| 07:39.44 | Orionisti | I just installed Debian, I need to get it working in about 20 minutes... |
| 07:39.52 | hark | samesame: /msg dpkg releases |
| 07:39.54 | cast | samesame: keep reading....you'll get to that part ;) |
| 07:39.57 | samesame | ok |
| 07:40.00 | Orionisti | There is only the console, I need a GUI like KDE, or something |
| 07:40.01 | liable | rossMoHaX: show me your sources |
| 07:40.12 | Orionisti | please help me install KDE |
| 07:40.14 | cydork | liable: yeah true, i use vihang007.googlepages.com/debian.html ;) |
| 07:40.25 | hark | !install kde |
| 07:40.25 | dpkg | hmm... install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 07:40.40 | samesame | When packages in unstable have no release-critical (RC) bugs filed against them after the |
| 07:40.40 | samesame | first week or so, they are automatically promoted to testing. |
| 07:40.50 | Orionisti | I just installed it from the network CD |
| 07:40.50 | liable | cydork: stop slutting your app! :) |
| 07:40.53 | samesame | interesting.. |
| 07:40.56 | hark | Orionisti: something like aptitude install kde xorg kdm |
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| 07:41.02 | cydork | liable: I am shameless :) |
| 07:41.05 | cast | samesame: most of the room knows these things so no need to paste |
| 07:41.06 | rossMoHaX | liable: Xserver doesn't start, I cant copy and paste without it =) |
| 07:41.19 | Orionisti | apt-get install kde-core does not find packet kde-core |
| 07:41.21 | rati | i have reated firewall module in that prevent ping option is there is working , i want test like that spoofing and SYN flooding is preventing or not |
| 07:41.43 | samesame | if one was a debian developer they might be working on RC bugs in packages in unstable |
| 07:41.50 | liable | rossMoHaX: you can install ssh and ssh to the box and paste from that. or /msg dpkg pastewithoutx |
| 07:41.51 | hark | Orionisti: check your sources.list (/msg dpkg sources.list) |
| 07:42.02 | assasukasse | i am running elive (debian with enlightenment) on a virtual machine, i need to install the virtual modules, so i installed the kernel headers but when i try to compile i get error.. |
| 07:42.12 | assasukasse | which compiler should i install? |
| 07:42.13 | rossMoHaX | liable: you can trust, /etc/apt/sources.list contains only two non-comment lines, both of them are official repos |
| 07:42.36 | hark | assasukasse: build-essential probably, but try #elive |
| 07:42.39 | Orionisti | there is no such file or directory |
| 07:42.51 | cast | screen also allows pasting |
| 07:42.53 | liable | rossMoHaX: i dunno then, you really shouldnt be having this problem |
| 07:43.03 | hark | Orionisti: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:43.36 | Orionisti | ok |
| 07:43.38 | Orionisti | found it |
| 07:43.44 | Orionisti | what do I do now |
| 07:43.56 | Orionisti | it has security.debian.org |
| 07:44.02 | MangosDebian | rati: if you want to learn how to test your firewall, go learn via google. what you ask is self taught so dont expect someone here to teach you it |
| 07:44.02 | Orionisti | opened it with vim |
| 07:44.03 | rossMoHaX | where apt cache is stored? maybe I could delete it manualy? |
| 07:44.04 | assasukasse | thanks hark, now says can't find the headers.. |
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| 07:44.43 | liable | rossMoHaX: /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 07:44.47 | hark | assasukasse: install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 07:45.37 | hark | !tell Orionisti -about sources.list |
| 07:45.45 | rossMoHaX | liable: it is downloaded debs, I mean dependency info cache |
| 07:46.05 | liable | rossMoHaX: /var/lib/dpkg/available |
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| 07:46.22 | rossMoHaX | liable: /val/cache/apt/pkginfo.bin - what it it? |
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| 07:46.29 | Orionisti | how do I edit sources.list |
| 07:46.33 | rossMoHaX | liable: /val/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin - what it it? |
| 07:46.34 | liable | rossMoHaX: i cant remember |
| 07:46.44 | liable | i knew at one point in time |
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| 07:47.03 | liable | i havent had to deal with nasty dpkg stuff lately |
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| 07:47.36 | liable | Orionisti: with a text editor :) |
| 07:47.49 | Orionisti | ohh snap |
| 07:47.55 | samesame | one last question, i cant find it on google. what do the intitals 'sid' stand for? |
| 07:48.05 | liable | nothing |
| 07:48.07 | hark | pkgcache == package cache |
| 07:48.09 | liable | !sid |
| 07:48.10 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 07:48.10 | samesame | nothing? |
| 07:48.11 | MangosDebian | samesame: go rent toy story |
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| 07:48.34 | samesame | heh |
| 07:48.59 | liable | when was toy story released? |
| 07:49.08 | Orionisti | ok, edited with vim, how do I save it |
| 07:49.14 | Orionisti | I can't press :w |
| 07:49.16 | samesame | it was never released, it was unstable |
| 07:49.22 | Orionisti | shift-.-w |
| 07:49.28 | liable | Orionisti: ^zz |
| 07:49.39 | hark | shift |
| 07:49.46 | liable | esc then ^zz |
| 07:50.10 | assasukasse | thanks hark |
| 07:50.14 | Orionisti | ehhhhhhh |
| 07:50.20 | assasukasse | now asks me about build files :D |
| 07:50.22 | assasukasse | is a fun stuff |
| 07:50.24 | liable | Orionisti: what do you mean, by you cant press :w? |
| 07:50.24 | Dewi | liable: what crazy vim binding is that? |
| 07:50.39 | liable | Dewi: dunno, i have always used it |
| 07:50.43 | liable | Dewi: its default |
| 07:50.44 | Orionisti | yeah |
| 07:50.53 | Orionisti | to get : I need to press shift and . |
| 07:51.06 | Orionisti | I am very noob here |
| 07:51.10 | liable | no, <ctrl>zz |
| 07:51.14 | Orionisti | so please, please help me out =) |
| 07:51.15 | Dewi | liable: ctrl-z suspends |
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| 07:51.36 | liable | Dewi: twice! |
| 07:51.56 | Dewi | liable: sure, but typing ctrl-z into a bash prompt does little |
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| 07:52.06 | liable | Dewi: huh? |
| 07:52.17 | Dewi | liable: ctrl-z suspends. backgrounds the process so I'm looking at bash. |
| 07:52.33 | Orionisti | now it says recording |
| 07:52.51 | Orionisti | I'm puzzled |
| 07:52.52 | samesame | has anyone here subscribed to the debian-devel-announce@lists.debian.org mailing list for important announcements about debian? |
| 07:53.02 | Dewi | Orionisti: to get into command line mode you normally just press colon ":" |
| 07:53.06 | liable | Dewi: open a file (in bash) enter edit mode (i), exit (esc), ctrl zz saves and exits |
| 07:53.09 | Dewi | Orionisti: or shift-; |
| 07:53.21 | hark | shift zz works |
| 07:53.22 | Dewi | liable: not in vim |
| 07:53.39 | Dewi | aah, SHIFT zz |
| 07:53.43 | MangosDebian | put the vim down and step away but you guys blow something up ;) |
| 07:54.01 | hark | Orionisti: nano would have been much simpler |
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| 07:54.03 | Orionisti | I managed to get one more hour time to install that kde |
| 07:54.05 | jstevens | Well, I figured out why the Debian packaged binary driver doesn't work on my lenny system. The driver is out of date and doesn't work with the current xserver. Options are to downgrade the xserver or use nVidia's package to install a newer version of the driver. |
| 07:54.06 | liable | oh shit, ya, shift |
| 07:54.48 | liable | dont worry kids, more shit advice coming your way from liable! |
| 07:54.50 | Dewi | hark: nano is an abomination |
| 07:55.09 | Dewi | liable: you mean shift advice |
| 07:55.20 | hark | at least they can read and understand the commands there |
| 07:55.24 | rossMoHaX | question still the same =( My debian etch tries to install from repo, wich is no more in sources.lists |
| 07:55.28 | Orionisti | thank you nano |
| 07:55.32 | MangosDebian | :wq or :x or ZZ = write to current file and exit |
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| 07:55.55 | jstevens | I suppose if I actually purchased a newer machine I wouldn't need the hardware acceleration to watch movies and could use the nv driver. Sigh... |
| 07:55.57 | Dewi | hark: while their lines get arbitrarily wrapped using an unstable algorithm at 80 chars, yeah |
| 07:55.59 | liable | Dewi: five more beers and it will be fist advice! |
| 07:56.19 | samesame | do other distros like fedora, suse use the unstable >> testing >> stable approach? |
| 07:56.20 | liable | hrm, that doesnt sound so good.. |
| 07:56.33 | liable | samesame: we dont know or care :) |
| 07:56.37 | samesame | ok |
| 07:56.40 | Dewi | liable: at least now I can write bad changes to my files in less keypresses than ever before |
| 07:56.43 | hark | nano -w then (afaik) |
| 07:57.00 | Dewi | samesame: not really, as far as I know. |
| 07:57.14 | Orionisti | *phewww* it seems to be installing kde now |
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| 07:57.28 | liable | Dewi: shows how finely tuned my boxen are that i dont remember how to edit! |
| 07:57.39 | Dewi | hark: yeah, but if destroying my data is the default mode, I think the developer's priorities were scarily wrong :P |
| 07:57.39 | Orionisti | is there something I need to do in order to automatically start KDE when system starts? |
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| 07:58.05 | Dewi | !kdm |
| 07:58.05 | dpkg | methinks kdm is the KDE Display Manager - an even swankier version of xdm, for the K Desktop user |
| 07:58.14 | Dewi | maybe that daemon will do it, Orionisti ? |
| 07:58.43 | samesame | is there a linux basics channel on freenode? |
| 07:58.45 | vaq | locales_2.3.6.ds1-13_all.deb MD5Sum mismatch, perl-modules_5.8.8-7_all.deb MD5Sum mismatch, I get that everytime, whatever mirror i choose. WHy? |
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| 07:58.52 | Dewi | samesame: #linux |
| 07:58.53 | liable | jstevens: the nv driver should be fine for movies and any 2d stuff |
| 07:58.57 | Orionisti | ok, thanks dewi |
| 07:59.01 | samesame | ok thanks |
| 07:59.26 | Dewi | samesame: at least I think it is. Read the channel topic first. :) |
| 07:59.35 | Dewi | samesame: I don't hang out there much |
| 07:59.42 | liable | its a hotpot of useless advice and trolling |
| 08:00.17 | Dewi | liable: that's why I come here to troll, you open-source commie! |
| 08:01.08 | jstevens | liable: Nah, on my PIII 1GHz I *need* to use the nvidia driver for any videos except DVDs. The nv driver tops 100% CPU. |
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| 08:01.17 | Dewi | samesame: a lot of linux basics might be on-topic for #bash or #debian... if you ask the right way |
| 08:01.19 | liable | Dewi: just you wait! you will need to show your papers to come here soon! |
| 08:01.20 | rossMoHaX | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.32 | samesame | ok |
| 08:01.42 | liable | rossMoHaX: we need the number after |
| 08:01.45 | rossMoHaX | liable: you can see recent paste on channgel.debian.net/paste under nick "Maxim" |
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| 08:02.12 | samesame | what is the difference between using vmware/xen and chroot? |
| 08:02.15 | jstevens | liable: In particular if I want to scale to full screen. Software scaling just brings things to a halt. |
| 08:02.35 | Dewi | samesame: vmware virtualises an entire machine, complete with virtualised CPU and RAM and probably HD |
| 08:02.39 | BudgetDedicated | How long will sarge be actively supported? |
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| 08:02.57 | liable | rossMoHaX: and installed version? |
| 08:03.02 | Dewi | samesame: chroots do way, way less than that. They just lock you into a certain context within your unix-like system |
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| 08:03.44 | rossMoHaX | liable: look, it tries to install 1.3.0 from debian dvd and official debian update. there is no vesa-1.3.0 in etch! it in testing |
| 08:03.51 | Dewi | BudgetDedicated: don't quote me, but IIRC until lenny releases |
| 08:03.52 | liable | jstevens: i am an x tard, and have never had a nvidia card, so i'll stop trying to give you advice :) |
| 08:04.23 | liable | rossMoHaX: show me the paste of trying to install |
| 08:04.33 | Dewi | BudgetDedicated: you should really confirm what I just said though, I feel less and less sure |
| 08:04.48 | jstevens | jstevens: nah, I appreciate the chit chat. :^) |
| 08:05.22 | liable | its too pointy! |
| 08:05.28 | Dewi | liable: that sounds really familiar |
| 08:05.37 | liable | Dewi: no comment |
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| 08:05.42 | Dewi | liable: we're drowning in X users in here |
| 08:05.55 | jstevens | It needs to be picked. Want to help out with that too? :^) |
| 08:06.10 | Dewi | (nah my nose is big and blunt) |
| 08:06.11 | liable | Dewi: oh, which comment were you reffereing to? the x tard one? |
| 08:06.17 | Dewi | liable: yeah |
| 08:06.19 | rossMoHaX | liable: OOOPS. it's in stable =( |
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| 08:07.01 | rossMoHaX | liable: I've messed up with xserver-xorg-core =( |
| 08:07.07 | liable | rossMoHaX: i am losing interest, you seem to be avoiding what i want to see, and your problem doesnt make sense |
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| 08:08.58 | samesame | instead of testing out other distros using vmware or xen u can just use chroot |
| 08:09.25 | liable | to a point |
| 08:09.36 | liable | you cant try new kernels in a chroot |
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| 08:10.08 | samesame | u can even boot up another full x environemnt and switch between back and forth |
| 08:10.22 | Dewi | liable: if only I could find a ZZ for 'write and close buffer' |
| 08:10.33 | Dewi | liable: :w\n:bd is way too long |
| 08:11.17 | jakub__ | hey |
| 08:11.19 | jakub__ | last time |
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| 08:11.42 | jakub__ | i was spoken with sb. who is developer of Gui projects - gui administration from sweden, is this person here ? |
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| 08:14.12 | liable | i need to eat |
| 08:14.57 | samesame | did u know that debian makes regular system backups and puts the files in /var/backups/ |
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| 08:15.22 | samesame | so if u delete a important system file by mistake u might be able to put it back |
| 08:15.28 | Dewi | samesame: it backups up some system files, but not everything |
| 08:15.37 | samesame | ok |
| 08:15.41 | Dewi | "backs up" even |
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| 08:15.59 | liable | samesame: please restrict your newly found knowledge to situations where it is asked for :P |
| 08:16.22 | samesame | ok |
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| 08:16.41 | liable | samesame: and i mean that in the nicest possible way! |
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| 08:16.57 | DarthEzekiel | http://mediaplague.com/phrases.php?cat=phrases&url=cognet-igen%202007%20003.bb |
| 08:17.06 | DarthEzekiel | now would be the time to worship |
| 08:17.18 | liable | should i click that link or just call ops? |
| 08:17.28 | liable | i am leaning towards ops |
| 08:17.31 | cydork | SPAM! |
| 08:17.33 | Orionisti | you should worship ^_^ |
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| 08:17.38 | DarthEzekiel | it is a source file |
| 08:17.52 | liable | Dewi: and why should we be interested in it? |
| 08:17.56 | liable | DarthEzekiel: ^^ |
| 08:18.32 | DarthEzekiel | without the simple core modules in that source, things like aibos and chairmechs wouldnt exist |
| 08:18.32 | Dewi | man |
| 08:18.32 | DarthEzekiel | i wrote the original version of them in 1996 or so |
| 08:18.33 | Dewi | if I didn't have an aibo or a chairmech I'd probably kill myself. |
| 08:18.54 | Dewi | night guys, detach time. |
| 08:18.57 | liable | ah, aibo, where have i heard that before? |
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| 08:19.03 | Orionisti | so that's why I want to kill myself.. |
| 08:19.16 | cydork | DarthEzekiel: Oh that't great! now listen "we really don't care"! :) |
| 08:19.19 | DarthEzekiel | aibo is the little idiot dog robot |
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| 08:20.01 | DarthEzekiel | asimo is the more advanced, humanoid one |
| 08:20.08 | biopyte | hi. what package holds the 'tree'(displays a directory tree) command? |
| 08:20.18 | cydork | biopyte: /msg dpkg search |
| 08:20.29 | liable | DarthEzekiel: why did you share that page with us? |
| 08:20.32 | Orionisti | ok, aptitude installed kde, what now? |
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| 08:20.43 | liable | get more ram? |
| 08:20.54 | DarthEzekiel | so people would stop wasting time writing nonfunctional ai |
| 08:21.22 | cydork | liable: too much (crack|cocaine|alcohol)? |
| 08:21.23 | Orionisti | how do I start using kde? |
| 08:21.28 | liable | DarthEzekiel: but why share on #debian? wouldnt an ai channel be more suited? |
| 08:21.48 | liable | cydork: me or him? |
| 08:21.53 | cydork | liable: him!! |
| 08:21.57 | liable | oh! |
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| 08:22.03 | DarthEzekiel | none of the ai people are ai programmers, they are simply delusional children and ministers |
| 08:22.23 | liable | DarthEzekiel: ok. rant over. thanks for sharing.. |
| 08:22.55 | biopyte | cydork, ok, its a package on its own. didn'T expect that. :) |
| 08:23.03 | Orionisti | ah, apparently same thing applies, here, too, reboot will solve your problems |
| 08:24.07 | liable | DarthEzekiel: what is that language anyway? |
| 08:24.26 | Orionisti | now I have some 30 minutes to check that it plays mkv, xvid and mp3 =) |
| 08:24.30 | Orionisti | gprs would be a nice plus |
| 08:24.36 | samesame | are u guys full on hardcore debian users or do u also use another distro, if so what do u use? |
| 08:25.16 | DarthEzekiel | Blitz BASIC, a language advanced enough as an event driven language to write the code easily in, yet simple enough for anyone to read |
| 08:25.16 | liable | samesame: please tpye u = you :) |
| 08:25.16 | samesame | ok |
| 08:25.35 | Orionisti | right, more problems |
| 08:25.43 | Orionisti | I have an external USB hard drive |
| 08:25.53 | Orionisti | it doesn't want to mount it properly... |
| 08:26.03 | samesame | i wonder if this machine runs debian |
| 08:26.04 | samesame | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6241566.stm |
| 08:26.07 | cydork | DarthEzekiel: In case you didn't hear me first time. no one cares. You are way off-topic! |
| 08:26.11 | cast | Orionisti: so whats the error and what does dmesg say? |
| 08:26.48 | Orionisti | hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000 |
| 08:27.02 | assasukasse | i need to change the alternatives for gcc, what is the command? |
| 08:27.09 | assasukasse | update-alternatives gcc doesn't work |
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| 08:27.22 | liable | assasukasse: you supply them on the cli |
| 08:27.32 | liable | assasukasse: oh, verion? |
| 08:27.37 | assasukasse | stable |
| 08:27.37 | liable | version// |
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| 08:27.52 | liable | assasukasse: explain yourself |
| 08:28.00 | assasukasse | the gcc i have installed are 4.1 but i need to compile using 3.4 |
| 08:28.07 | assasukasse | however is a .run script |
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| 08:28.15 | assasukasse | so..i can't supply via cli |
| 08:28.28 | Orionisti | ok, so how do I mount the NTFS drive? |
| 08:28.29 | liable | assasukasse: export CC="usr/bin/gcc-3.4" |
| 08:28.32 | cydork | assasukasse: use export CC=/path/to/gcc3.4 |
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| 08:31.26 | assasukasse | thanks liable i just changed the symlink in /usr/bin |
| 08:31.35 | Orionisti | ...help? |
| 08:31.38 | liable | you shouldnt really do that |
| 08:31.52 | Ubuntu-Craft | I like ubuntu |
| 08:31.59 | liable | thats nice |
| 08:32.14 | mike | Ubuntu-Craft: but...y |
| 08:32.25 | Ubuntu-Craft | cool |
| 08:33.22 | assasukasse | liable: i put back to normal after i finish compiling :D |
| 08:33.33 | mike | Its over rated like American cars hehe |
| 08:33.43 | cydork | assasukasse: bad boy! |
| 08:33.43 | liable | Ubuntu-Craft: we dont discriminate here, but we wont help you with ubuntu problems. so, before you ask, let me say, "piss off!" :P |
| 08:33.43 | Ubuntu-Craft | :) |
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| 08:35.00 | Ubuntu-Craft | piss off ? ok |
| 08:35.06 | assasukasse | funny thing is that #debian is 1000000 times more useful than #ubuntu...#ubuntu is infested by noobye that give free advices.. |
| 08:35.27 | Ubuntu-Craft | liable: you are right |
| 08:35.37 | Orionisti | guys guys guys I really need to mount that USB drive |
| 08:35.45 | BotaniCar | assasukasse:pissing in wind doesn't help anyone , go there and *you* help all those ppl |
| 08:36.00 | assasukasse | BotaniCar: i am there.. |
| 08:36.03 | assasukasse | already |
| 08:36.13 | assasukasse | in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-it |
| 08:36.19 | BotaniCar | assasukasse: then why this sort of comment ? |
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| 08:36.42 | cast | who. the. fuck. cares. OT! |
| 08:36.57 | assasukasse | BotaniCar: it happened that i saw many noob giving advices that might break the system... |
| 08:37.05 | cast | Orionisti: try running mount manually? |
| 08:37.24 | BotaniCar | assasukasse: that n00b at least tries to help, i respect that attitude |
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| 08:38.15 | Orionisti | ok, help me |
| 08:38.24 | Orionisti | how do I mount manually? |
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| 08:38.37 | Orionisti | this is propably very irritating and annoying to you, but so it is to me |
| 08:38.46 | mike | Orionisti: What release,,Sarge? |
| 08:38.52 | BotaniCar | Orionisti: mount what and where ? |
| 08:38.53 | Orionisti | 4.0r0 |
| 08:38.59 | cast | Orionisti: run dmesg, see what device it is, it could be sda1, sdb1..etc.., then mkdir /mnt/usb, mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb |
| 08:39.01 | Orionisti | mount external USB drive, NTFS formatted |
| 08:39.10 | Orionisti | thanks cast |
| 08:39.12 | cast | Orionisti: you'll need to be root to run mount like that without a fstab entry |
| 08:39.51 | mike | Orionisti: My external drive is fat32 easy to read |
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| 08:40.12 | debouit | ? |
| 08:40.13 | Ubuntu-Craft | too easy |
| 08:40.39 | MangosDebian | debouit: is that your question? |
| 08:40.47 | Orionisti | it seems to be sda |
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| 08:41.13 | debouit | Il y a t'il des francais ? |
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| 08:42.03 | pngwn | !fr |
| 08:42.04 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:42.06 | Orionisti | "you must specify the file system type" |
| 08:42.26 | Orionisti | I need help ,how to specify the file system type |
| 08:42.28 | cast | Orionisti: then specify it, man mount ;) |
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| 08:42.50 | cast | Orionisti: but you should probably be mounting sda1, not sda, probably anyway |
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| 08:43.13 | Orionisti | I have 15 mintues before I have to leave |
| 08:43.16 | Orionisti | I'm really in a hurry |
| 08:43.25 | Orionisti | please please help me out |
| 08:44.07 | Orionisti | trying sda1 |
| 08:44.31 | Orionisti | now when I try to open it says "can not enter folder /mnt/usb/ |
| 08:44.49 | cast | thats because you don't have permission except under root probably |
| 08:45.00 | cast | man mount, thats a ntfs option :) |
| 08:45.20 | Orionisti | right, ok, how do I gain permission |
| 08:45.30 | cast | [or just copy your files as root if you don't have time to read a manpage] |
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| 08:48.13 | cast | you may want to umount /mnt/usb; mount -t ntfs -o uid=`id -u Orionisti` /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb |
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| 08:50.35 | chairmeleon | Does anyone know if there are Etch packages for firefox compiled against gtk1.2 ? |
| 08:51.21 | badcfe | im trying to burn a cd on lenny. i do wodim on an iso file and get plenty messages "Unable to open this SCSI ID. Trying to map to old ATA syntax.This workaround will disappear in the near future. Fix your configuration." |
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| 08:52.01 | badcfe | im using the device as listed in -scanbus output. do i need to load some module? the cd doesnt even blink. |
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| 08:53.52 | Orionisti | now it says that /dev/sda1 doesn't exist |
| 08:53.54 | Orionisti | gahhhh |
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| 08:54.37 | omha | is it okay to do a dist-upgrade from sarge to etch ? |
| 08:54.48 | liable | sure |
| 08:54.57 | badcfe | and my dmesg has "sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 4x/48x cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray". anyone can give me a hint here? |
| 08:54.59 | liable | omha: read the etch release notes though |
| 08:55.04 | liable | !release notes |
| 08:55.04 | dpkg | i heard release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes |
| 08:55.09 | liable | omha: ^^ |
| 08:55.14 | omha | kk |
| 08:55.15 | omha | thanks |
| 08:55.28 | liable | np |
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| 08:56.25 | Gigantic | * Chuck Norris kills liable |
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| 08:57.15 | liable | pfft, i can cyberkill chuck norris with a bash script! |
| 08:57.44 | F-Lelo | liable: use mIRC's slap |
| 08:57.45 | F-Lelo | lo |
| 08:57.46 | F-Lelo | lol |
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| 08:58.28 | badcfe | and "wodim -eject" doesnt do anything even if wodim recognises me cdrom |
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| 08:59.30 | Gigantic | guess you already try eject right? |
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| 09:00.20 | badcfe | yes. now i also fixed /dev/cdrom -> /dev/sr0 |
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| 09:00.43 | Gigantic | it's usb or sata? |
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| 09:01.27 | badcfe | not usb |
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| 09:01.54 | badcfe | Gigantic: i paste dmesg at pastebin? |
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| 09:02.25 | Gigantic | srry, I'm leaving, shouldn't ask :| |
| 09:02.29 | Gigantic | bye :) |
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| 09:03.26 | renewbie | hi, my automounting usb drive/keys or CDs not working since I have upgraded to etch.. there are different links on udev configuration |
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| 09:03.36 | renewbie | can anyone suggest the latest one please? |
| 09:03.51 | badcfe | heres my dmesg http://www.pastebin.ca/591613 why cant i agitate on my cdrom? |
| 09:04.22 | badcfe | i use wodim on sr0 and even -eject doesnt do it |
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| 09:04.54 | omri | what would you recommand for remote backing up of a server? I thought I'd use BackupPC but its incremental backups store the whole file (which is not good for MySQL databases) |
| 09:05.06 | badcfe | wodim says (when im trying to burn) "Unable to open this SCSI ID." and no reaction on drive |
| 09:06.12 | badcfe | http://www.pastebin.ca/591613 pleasy could anyone give me a hint on a possible way forth? |
| 09:06.17 | renewbie | omri: for mysql use replication server |
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| 09:06.59 | omri | renewbie, I was afraid you'd say that :P |
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| 09:07.37 | omri | how does MySQL handles replications? if the connection doesn't respond, will it "fill in the blanks" later? |
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| 09:08.02 | omri | would it wait for the replication server to respond before it does anything? |
| 09:08.16 | omri | I mean, would queries "hang" ? |
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| 09:08.32 | renewbie | omri: yes.. mysql creates logs of create, update and delete queries and |
| 09:09.12 | omri | what about when I have different version of mysql across servers? we're using both mysql5 and mysql 4.0 |
| 09:09.13 | renewbie | your replication server access logs from time to time to get logs and execute them |
| 09:09.26 | renewbie | omri: how different versions? |
| 09:09.33 | renewbie | oh |
| 09:09.36 | renewbie | ok.. |
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| 09:10.21 | renewbie | not sure about 5 -> 4 or vice versa.. but if the difference is in minor versions or even like 5.0 -> 5.1 etc, it works |
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| 09:10.44 | omri | yes, but mysql 4.0 doesn't have charsets |
| 09:11.04 | omri | can mysql4 and mysql5 be installed in parallel? using APT, that is |
| 09:11.26 | renewbie | omri: I don't think apt would allow that.. |
| 09:11.50 | RichiH | simonrvn: for some reason, ravenbird started spamming me |
| 09:11.53 | omri | I think I'm back to backing up the data files instead of replications\sql dumps |
| 09:11.56 | renewbie | but you can custom compile it and run both of them parallely |
| 09:12.27 | omri | also, replication doesn't give me access to old backups |
| 09:13.08 | renewbie | once you have replication up, you can dump sql periodically on local machine and store diffs |
| 09:13.36 | renewbie | it isn't all that difficult once you start doing things.. |
| 09:14.07 | badcfe | ah! "eject" works, but not "wodim -eject" |
| 09:14.37 | badcfe | hows that? how could that be? and how could i exploit this to find the way to get my cd burned? |
| 09:15.05 | badcfe | maybe i should use an other program, and not wodim? |
| 09:15.10 | badcfe | what program then? |
| 09:15.12 | omri | renewbie, how long does it take to compare diffs between 10GB files? |
| 09:15.28 | omha | 3secs |
| 09:15.30 | omri | more or less, of course you can't predict how long it'd take on my hardware |
| 09:15.51 | renewbie | heh.. |
| 09:16.11 | renewbie | omri: ok.. files are BIG |
| 09:16.25 | omha | the 3secs is including the download time |
| 09:16.41 | omri | renewbie, well, lots of databases... |
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| 09:18.43 | renewbie | omri: did you think about rsync? |
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| 09:19.03 | omri | doesn't rsync transfer the whole file when it's changed? |
| 09:19.18 | cast | no, thats the point :) |
| 09:19.50 | omri | what would you say about rdiff-backup? |
| 09:20.17 | cast | if its a single file you could feasibly use rdiff |
| 09:20.41 | omri | no, it's not, it's /var/lib/mysql |
| 09:20.43 | cast | [at least, i thought rsync didn't transfer the whole file when it changed...hmm] |
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| 09:21.01 | omri | oh, then it does transfer the whole file? |
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| 09:21.23 | cast | sometimes i think things that aren't true, wait for someone else to confirm. |
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| 09:23.56 | renewbie | omri: http://rsync.samba.org/examples.html |
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| 09:24.08 | cast | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rsync seems to say that it only xfers the parts of files that have changed, ahh so does man rsync - there is a --whole-file option though |
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| 09:25.29 | badcfe | ill try using brasero. i see it doesnt recognise any disc. "eject" command works. how do i configure? |
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| 09:26.03 | jakub__ | hey |
| 09:26.06 | jakub__ | i`m on my friends computer |
| 09:26.24 | jakub__ | i need to exec him kopete |
| 09:26.25 | jakub__ | how ?:d |
| 09:26.38 | wols | !tell jakub__ about enter |
| 09:26.43 | wols | just run it |
| 09:26.50 | jakub__ | hmm |
| 09:27.22 | jakub__ | i cant |
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| 09:27.34 | wols | !tell jakub__ about enter |
| 09:27.36 | jakub__ | if i do kopete in SSH |
| 09:27.49 | jakub__ | it exec in my Xorg |
| 09:28.10 | F-Lelo | kopete -- :0 ? |
| 09:28.17 | wols | fix your DISPLAY env var. and FIX you damn enter key |
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| 09:29.10 | jakub__ | fix my DISPLAY ? |
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| 09:29.35 | F-Lelo | jakub_: I'm not sure it works, but try kopete -- :0 |
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| 09:30.50 | jakub__ | it dont |
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| 09:30.59 | jakub__ | it open in my xorg too :-) but it`s good |
| 09:31.10 | F-Lelo | strange =/ |
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| 09:31.12 | F-Lelo | well... |
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| 09:31.20 | F-Lelo | try setting your $DISPLAY to :0 |
| 09:31.23 | F-Lelo | or something |
| 09:31.32 | F-Lelo | hehehe |
| 09:31.42 | F-Lelo | or don't use ssh with -X -q hehehe ^^ |
| 09:31.57 | jakub__ | aaha |
| 09:31.58 | jakub__ | :-) |
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| 09:32.05 | F-Lelo | gotta sleep, 6am here |
| 09:32.09 | F-Lelo | gnight :) |
| 09:32.09 | Lukian | NV 405/6100, 430/6100, 430/6150. VIA K8T890, NV 430 MCP, NV 500, AMD 690G, AMD 480X <- Trying to choose a new mainboard, are any of these chipsets too new to have support in debian 4? |
| 09:32.24 | renewbie | any links to setup udev for automount? mine got screwd up after upgrade to etch |
| 09:32.47 | renewbie | I found some on web but they are confusing.. |
| 09:32.48 | cast | Lukian: nvidia 400 and 500 series are fine, i have a 570 |
| 09:32.51 | renewbie | some are old |
| 09:33.16 | cast | renewbie: of usbdrives? :> |
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| 09:33.31 | Lukian | any issues with onboard devices on your mainboard? (and what is yours?) |
| 09:33.44 | renewbie | cast: yes.. |
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| 09:34.09 | cast | renewbie: usbmount package works for me |
| 09:34.23 | makk1ntosh[work] | hello. i have a question. what should i do if i need java 1.4 ? |
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| 09:34.42 | cast | Lukian: the gig eth works great, forcedeth takes care of that. don't use the onboard sound but iirc it works |
| 09:35.03 | Lukian | cast: excellent, What brand/model mainboard do you have? :) |
| 09:35.12 | cast | Lukian: an asus m2n-e |
| 09:35.50 | cast | Lukian: which works quite well and has been very stable for me. my only complaint is that it makes an odd very faint sound like crickets |
| 09:36.04 | Lukian | Yeah, Asus is my primary choice atm, I'm sick of gigabyte having faulty hardware on me :p |
| 09:36.26 | Lukian | cast: hmm, interesting, noise doesn't worry me too much *notes vibrating case* :/ |
| 09:37.34 | cast | Lukian: ahh, well aside from that its very quiet. that noise is from the power circuitry next to the socket i think, it only happens at high cpu load. is quite weird and probably a freak occurance, loose inductor coil or funny cap or some such |
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| 09:37.53 | Lukian | hehe |
| 09:38.04 | Lukian | good warning that you have high cpu load? :p |
| 09:38.16 | MangosDebian | renewbie: your usb key doesnt mount? |
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| 09:38.39 | bigwig | hi |
| 09:38.39 | renewbie | MangosDebian: mounting automatically |
| 09:38.54 | renewbie | MangosDebian: sorry.. not mounting automatically |
| 09:39.00 | bigwig | i am trying to use csync2 for synchronizing a group of computers |
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| 09:39.08 | MangosDebian | renewbie: what fs type is the key/stick your using? |
| 09:39.13 | bigwig | if i run csync2 -xv, i get 1 line |
| 09:39.23 | bigwig | Connecting to host other-host (SSL) ... |
| 09:39.28 | cast | Lukian: if you do get a m2n-e, or similar, make sure to check newegg.com for complaints. this particular board needs [relatively] low voltage ram, corsair xms2 works good - but not all ddr2 ram does |
| 09:39.32 | bigwig | then it exits with the return code 141 |
| 09:39.42 | bigwig | it does not do any syncing |
| 09:39.47 | Lukian | I'll be using corsair xms2 actually |
| 09:39.49 | bigwig | what am i doing wrong? |
| 09:39.53 | Lukian | It's at a good price point here |
| 09:40.07 | renewbie | MangosDebian: http://pastebin.ca/591649 |
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| 09:40.48 | Lukian | This model has caught my interest due to the CSM suffix: http://au.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1363&l1=3&l2=101&l3=347&l4=0 |
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| 09:41.01 | MangosDebian | renewbie: no, i mean what filesystem type is on it |
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| 09:41.34 | renewbie | MangosDebian: I guess fat32 |
| 09:41.39 | Lukian | Should I avoid VIA & AMD chipsets, or are those alright too? |
| 09:41.39 | MangosDebian | renewbie: debian only auto mounts ext2/3 by default now due to vfat sync issues. |
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| 09:42.09 | MangosDebian | renewbie: its in /etc somewhere |
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| 09:42.31 | wols | MangosDebian: huh? |
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| 09:42.42 | wols | you sure about that? |
| 09:42.46 | MangosDebian | yes |
| 09:42.49 | renewbie | MangosDebian: I can mount using mount command but its just not automounting |
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| 09:42.57 | MangosDebian | 100% i just went through it |
| 09:43.00 | wols | Lukian: avoid via. ati/amd is a toss in the air I guess |
| 09:43.07 | MangosDebian | sec, ill find the file for ya |
| 09:43.18 | Lukian | wols: cheers |
| 09:43.25 | MangosDebian | FILESYSTEMS="ext2 ext3 vfat" |
| 09:43.26 | bigwig | gye |
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| 09:43.29 | bigwig | bye |
| 09:43.31 | waltercool | someone know why i cant see all kernel images in apt-cache? |
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| 09:43.37 | MangosDebian | in /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf |
| 09:43.47 | wols | !tell waltercool about bat |
| 09:43.57 | MangosDebian | # WARNING! The vfat filesystem does not yet fully implement sync-mounting. # |
| 09:43.59 | MangosDebian | # If you include "vfat" in the list of filesystem types, you *MUST* make # |
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| 09:44.08 | MangosDebian | and it goes on.... |
| 09:44.32 | waltercool | deb http://ftp.cl.debian.org/debian sid main contrib |
| 09:44.38 | MangosDebian | soon as you add vfat it works perfectly though. but beware, umount it rather than pull it, or make it ext2/3 |
| 09:44.46 | cast | renewbie: should have read the README.Debian ;) |
| 09:45.17 | Caronte | hi all |
| 09:45.23 | cast | -o sync pissed me off to no end, talk about performance crippling. |
| 09:45.51 | MangosDebian | cast: tell me about it |
| 09:46.02 | MangosDebian | even worse when you only got a 1.1 slot |
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| 09:46.23 | wols | cast: better than dataloss |
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| 09:46.34 | wols | or the stupid way windows forces you to unmount usb sticks |
| 09:47.03 | Caronte | i have a problem when i launch alsamixer: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device <--- i use testing |
| 09:47.07 | Caronte | what can i do ? |
| 09:47.07 | omri | can a slave replication server (mysql) have more than one master? |
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| 09:47.21 | earthian | hello |
| 09:47.22 | wols | Caronte: install your drivers |
| 09:47.25 | earthian | http://xkcd.com/c149.html <-- RODL |
| 09:47.26 | earthian | :D |
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| 09:47.29 | earthian | ROFL :p |
| 09:47.31 | earthian | blah |
| 09:47.34 | Caronte | wols ok, tnx |
| 09:47.54 | cast | wols: i dont mind running umount or sync;sync;sync |
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| 09:48.10 | Caronte | wols but when i lunch alsaconf it found my audiocard and install it |
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| 09:48.49 | wols | cast: an usb stick can be unplugged either by accident or jsut because |
| 09:49.05 | wols | Caronte: as what user do you run alsamixer? |
| 09:49.13 | Caronte | root |
| 09:49.35 | Caronte | for set only one time for all user |
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| 09:50.17 | Caronte | wols but i have just try to launch with my user, and there is the same problem |
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| 09:50.44 | suppaman | h |
| 09:50.45 | suppaman | hi |
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| 09:51.17 | suppaman | is there a way to get info about an user 'finger' and 'name' apart ? |
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| 09:51.45 | MangosDebian | suppaman: ? sample output? |
| 09:52.15 | suppaman | MangosDebian: sampe output of what ? |
| 09:52.33 | MangosDebian | suppaman: oh you mean seperate finger user@host fields? |
| 09:52.36 | sadleder | hi, does anyone have problems with parport scanners (using libieee1284) with recent kernels (2.6.19 and newer)? |
| 09:52.56 | suppaman | MangosDebian: I mean that finger is not installed |
| 09:53.07 | Caronte | wols i ha try to restart alsa daemon, but it say: Usage: /etc/init.d/alsa {unload|reload|force-unload|force-reload|suspend|resume} |
| 09:53.26 | MangosDebian | suppaman: oh, you just want the package name? not sure exactly what you meant sorry |
| 09:53.38 | hark | /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload |
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| 09:53.43 | suppaman | MangosDebian: I want to get info about an user but finger isn't installed |
| 09:53.56 | suppaman | nor it is name |
| 09:53.57 | Caronte | hark ok, i try |
| 09:54.12 | Fox_1_ | people how can I install .deb package using apt-get? |
| 09:54.13 | MangosDebian | suppaman: oh, you mean is there another way to get info on a remote user? or local? |
| 09:54.18 | suppaman | local |
| 09:54.23 | suppaman | that I meant |
| 09:54.31 | MangosDebian | and installing finger isnt an option i take it? |
| 09:54.39 | hark | Fox_1_: you use dpkg for that |
| 09:54.39 | Caronte | hark Loading ALSA sound driver modules: (none to reload). <--- this is the output, but why alsaconf say it's all ok ? |
| 09:54.45 | suppaman | I'm only user on that machine |
| 09:54.53 | suppaman | MangosDebian: so it isn't an option |
| 09:55.15 | MangosDebian | suppaman: /etc/passwd for starts, and `last` |
| 09:55.27 | Fox_1_ | I know about that |
| 09:55.45 | sadleder | Fox_1_: dpkg -i package.deb |
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| 09:56.55 | MangosDebian | suppaman: that or install a copy of finger in your account |
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| 09:58.32 | suppaman | doesn't finger rely on a server? or does it take info from local files ? |
| 09:58.40 | erik__ | after all, i got debian working. not easy with a nvidia card. new question: i wanna use my outlook contacts on evolution, but importing is not easy. any handier email client ? |
| 09:58.51 | suppaman | MangosDebian: oh I forgot that passwd isn't readable for me |
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| 09:59.43 | MangosDebian | suppaman: guess your sol then. what info are you afer, why, and have you asked the admin for permission yet? |
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| 10:00.15 | hark | Fox_1_: then what's the problem? |
| 10:01.28 | suppaman | MangosDebian: it's a student host at uni, a guy sent me a mail and I was looking for what faculty he is from |
| 10:01.54 | suppaman | I remember a couple years ago the finger system existed, I myself had my personal info on it |
| 10:02.05 | MangosDebian | suppaman: ah, missed one question. finger gets info locally, but can go through a daemon. tends to be used more for remote queries though |
| 10:02.06 | petemc | it still exists... |
| 10:02.09 | suppaman | then they migrated from VAX to linux |
| 10:02.35 | suppaman | petemc: me? |
| 10:02.42 | petemc | no, the finger system |
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| 10:03.08 | renewbie | MangosDebian: thank you for the hint, it worked as soon as I added vfat to /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf |
| 10:03.10 | suppaman | petemc: so you were talking to me, I know finger still exists, I meant on _that_ particular host |
| 10:03.20 | petemc | that wasnt clear, but ok |
| 10:03.31 | MangosDebian | renewbie: np, but dont forget to umount it before pulling out |
| 10:03.37 | petemc | (i wasnt following the conversation) |
| 10:04.25 | rati | i have reated firewall module in that prevent ping option is there is working , i want test the spoofing and SYN flooding is preventing or not |
| 10:04.26 | renewbie | MangosDebian: yes.. or else it will be out of sync.. :) |
| 10:04.38 | MangosDebian | renewbie: thats right ;) |
| 10:05.28 | MangosDebian | rati: werent you bitched out for asking that a few hours ago? |
| 10:05.45 | MangosDebian | or has your question changed somehow? |
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| 10:06.25 | suppaman | I'm getting hungry |
| 10:06.34 | suppaman | what time is it there ? |
| 10:06.35 | MangosDebian | coffee! |
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| 10:06.52 | liable | coffee is a time? |
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| 10:06.53 | rati | till now i am tried that one |
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| 10:07.00 | suppaman | liable: sure, coffee-time |
| 10:07.08 | liable | rati: whats your native language? |
| 10:07.08 | suppaman | neverheard ? |
| 10:07.08 | rati | till i coulent get |
| 10:07.09 | suppaman | ;-) |
| 10:07.16 | MangosDebian | liable: actually, in canada we have coffee time franchise :) |
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| 10:07.29 | suppaman | MangosDebian: is that a brand ? |
| 10:07.49 | liable | theres only one <beverage>-time, and thats beer-o-clock |
| 10:07.54 | MangosDebian | ya, like tim hortons, not idea how global they are though |
| 10:08.00 | suppaman | liable: sounds nice |
| 10:08.10 | PerfDave | I'm having trouble getting the volatile repository set up on my Sarge box - the repository information at http://www.debian.org/volatile/ seems to be incorrect. |
| 10:08.17 | suppaman | liable: there could be an half-past-wine too |
| 10:08.25 | suppaman | in the evening |
| 10:08.25 | MangosDebian | liable: beer-o-clock? lol, you serious? |
| 10:08.30 | liable | suppaman: heh |
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| 10:08.46 | liable | MangosDebian: i wouldn't joke about it. |
| 10:08.51 | MangosDebian | liable: sounds like our "The Beer Store" franchises |
| 10:08.58 | suppaman | liable: where are you from ? |
| 10:09.11 | liable | do you guys have anything thats not a franchise? |
| 10:09.17 | liable | suppaman: .au |
| 10:09.27 | MangosDebian | liable: not really, no |
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| 10:09.44 | liable | sad |
| 10:10.04 | MangosDebian | canada is just a bunch of USA wannabe's buying into american owned franchises around here |
| 10:10.07 | PerfDave | Oh, wait, ignore me, I'm being retarded. |
| 10:10.08 | suppaman | ah, an austrian guy |
| 10:10.20 | MangosDebian | we dont even own our country anymore heh |
| 10:10.50 | suppaman | and what's that ? |
| 10:10.52 | MangosDebian | !.al |
| 10:10.56 | wols | liable: you could be from the same country like ther gubernator |
| 10:11.02 | wols | liable: and you could yodel too! |
| 10:11.03 | MangosDebian | hmmm, no idea |
| 10:11.04 | suppaman | oh the tld |
| 10:11.12 | cydork | gubernator?? wtf is that? |
| 10:11.17 | liable | suppaman: erm, add an al to austrian and you get australian |
| 10:11.23 | MangosDebian | ahh |
| 10:11.42 | wols | suppaman: schwarzenegger |
| 10:11.59 | suppaman | in fact I had never heard 'al' tld but as Mangos wrote .al .. |
| 10:12.06 | hark | cydork: governor :) |
| 10:12.10 | suppaman | wols: I tought he was deutsch |
| 10:12.13 | MangosDebian | nor have I, thats why i checked :) |
| 10:12.13 | liable | wols: you dont want to hear me yodel! |
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| 10:12.27 | wols | liable: thankfully irc doesn't transmit sound |
| 10:12.28 | cydork | hark: aah.. |
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| 10:12.48 | wols | unfortunately we can't drop a 16ton weight on your foot either, to hear you yodel. at least not via irc |
| 10:12.55 | suppaman | wols: there's alway the dcc transfer option to pass a sound |
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| 10:13.01 | MangosDebian | wols: heh, we would have less trolls, and more people mastering the art of voice alteration around the world |
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| 10:13.18 | wols | liable: no soundcard :P |
| 10:13.22 | Fox_1__ | why I'm asking. I want that someone install my package, but it's depend with an other package. when I write dpkg -i pagake.deb. it see that I haven't that package and doesn't install them. can i by keys say dpkg that it automaticly install all dependes? |
| 10:13.23 | Fox_1__ | is it clear? :) |
| 10:13.35 | Mattias | hm, i upgraded to testing, now, i tried to install nvidia non-free drivers, but after that, "the debian way" it can't find nv or nvidia drivers. i tried the drivers from nvidia site, those seemed to not get any errors, but xorg won't start still. i can't see any errors |
| 10:13.45 | wols | Fox_1__: no. you use apt-get for that |
| 10:13.46 | whoami | .. |
| 10:13.47 | hark | Fox_1__: do the dpkg -i and then apt-get -f install |
| 10:14.38 | wols | !btssmite Mattias |
| 10:14.38 | hark | Fox_1__: there's gdebi too, which will work out dependencies |
| 10:14.38 | Mattias | wols: no, its testing, outdated applications that should work |
| 10:15.01 | wols | Mattias: doesn't change the fact that it's broken |
| 10:15.09 | wols | and with testing, you have to expect that |
| 10:15.19 | Fox_1__ | hark: I can do that by myself, but I don't think that the client will do that. |
| 10:15.33 | Mattias | wols: yeah, i saw on some debian forum they trying to change layout of something, which broke this >,< |
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| 10:16.22 | cydork | Fox_1__: set up your repository then, problem solved :) |
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| 10:18.40 | liable | can someone who knows what the hell is wrong with nvidia atm, make a factoid or at one with the bug number |
| 10:18.49 | liable | its frequently asked |
| 10:18.49 | Mattias | my error now is, after fixing around some. no nvidia errors but this: (II) Module already built-in ; XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. |
| 10:18.51 | aldin | i want to install sid how do i do it (easiest way), net install ? |
| 10:19.28 | suppaman | mm do you know a free email provider with imap access ? |
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| 10:19.36 | cydork | !iyhtays aldin |
| 10:19.36 | dpkg | aldin: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 10:19.36 | Mattias | im not used to debian, i just deleted gentoo after 5-6 years of using it >,< and im tired of compiling stuff |
| 10:19.46 | liable | aldin: you can only install sid with punchcards, after making your own punchcard reader. if you manage to install it, then you are worthy. |
| 10:19.48 | suppaman | lol |
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| 10:20.44 | suppaman | http://bandcamp.tv/linux-demotivators/ |
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| 10:20.49 | suppaman | about what Mattias just said |
| 10:21.07 | J-_ | what is Dapper Drake built on? Sid, Unstable, or Sarge? |
| 10:21.08 | suppaman | there's debian too |
| 10:21.20 | suppaman | J-_: ubuntu? |
| 10:21.31 | liable | J-_: ubuntu is based on sid/unstable |
| 10:21.39 | J-_ | thank you |
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| 10:21.55 | aldin | ok, look, i want to have sid, how do i do it? |
| 10:21.58 | suppaman | look at the gentoo pic :-) |
| 10:22.04 | J-_ | so I should download a sid deb package to run on it, no? |
| 10:22.06 | wols | !sid faq |
| 10:22.06 | dpkg | [sid faq] http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 10:22.15 | wols | J-_: no |
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| 10:22.29 | Mattias | i wouldnt really use sid, i'd go testing, change to sid to get latest favorite apps, then go back to testing so it doesn't update all rest |
| 10:22.30 | wols | J-_: dapper was build on the current sid BACK THEN |
| 10:22.32 | hark | suppaman: fastmail.fm iirc |
| 10:22.34 | Mattias | the stable one is really outdated >,< |
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| 10:22.53 | cydork | Mattias: there is backports.org for that. |
| 10:22.56 | wols | Mattias: stable came out in aprl. not really outdated right now |
| 10:23.11 | Mattias | wols: well, the applications in it is old |
| 10:23.12 | J-_ | so what should I use? >.> |
| 10:23.19 | cydork | wols: but but i want 2.6.22-rc6-mm :P |
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| 10:23.31 | Mattias | wols: i had to install latest weechat for example using sid |
| 10:23.33 | blazemonger | is GPLv3 a good idea? |
| 10:23.39 | cydork | blazemonger: ask ##linux :) |
| 10:23.40 | PerfDave | J-_: You're on #debian, people are probably going to suggest that you use Debian rather than Ubuntu :) |
| 10:23.44 | PerfDave | blazemonger: ask ##fsf |
| 10:23.48 | wols | blazemonger: it's OT |
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| 10:24.02 | liable | J-_: ubuntu is *based* from the current sid at the time, and modified by ubuntu devs. so, no. using debian packages will most likely not work |
| 10:24.03 | J-_ | Yes I know but Ubunt uis debian based =) |
| 10:24.04 | wols | J-_: we don't support mixing distros |
| 10:24.09 | wols | !debian based |
| 10:24.09 | dpkg | Your distribution uses <apt>, but is not officialy Debian maintained (see <why Debian>), nor do we manage all aspects of it. (see <Debian policy>) Therefore, we are not obligated to help you (see <based on Debian caveats>). Please visit the proper IRC channel for your distribution. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> to name a few. |
| 10:24.18 | suppaman | hark: thanks' I'll have a look |
| 10:24.26 | stew | J-_: ubuntu is offtopic here, please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 10:25.09 | Mattias | anyone running testing & nvidia? |
| 10:25.28 | Fox_1_ | /qut |
| 10:25.30 | wols | !tell Mattias about anyone |
| 10:25.37 | metbsd | debain froze on my pc |
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| 10:25.58 | blazemonger | 5is debian going to update to gplv3 or stick with 2 |
| 10:26.08 | Mattias | nobody who can help? ^-^ |
| 10:26.27 | liable | Mattias: bugs.debian.org will help |
| 10:26.39 | stew | blazemonger: for what? |
| 10:26.59 | liable | the logo! |
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| 10:28.08 | stew | blazemonger: debian doesn't hold copyrights, it distributes software which has been copywritten by its authors. debian cannot cannot change the copyright for the software it distributes, only the copyright holders can |
| 10:28.39 | blazemonger | oh okay |
| 10:28.40 | blazemonger | cool |
| 10:28.44 | blazemonger | i feel better now |
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| 10:29.07 | blazemonger | btw i installed debian etch today |
| 10:29.14 | stew | blazemonger: (and debian distributes lots of software which is not under the gpl, lots of it not even compatible with the gpl) |
| 10:29.16 | blazemonger | it's running smooooooth |
| 10:29.55 | blazemonger | true..i don't think software mixed with a license was ever a good idea in the first place |
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| 10:30.46 | liable | oh rly? |
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| 10:31.47 | blazemonger | why can't developers and users work together regardless of platform and just scrap licensing all together and let the free market decide |
| 10:32.18 | liable | yes, ask microsoft that |
| 10:32.22 | blazemonger | (yes i admit if we had a truely free market, gnu+linux, microsoft, ibm, minix, bsd, etc. could all compete |
| 10:32.38 | blazemonger | and none of them would lose it would be win win for all |
| 10:32.45 | wols | blazemonger: you are OT |
| 10:32.50 | blazemonger | OT? |
| 10:33.03 | wols | aofftopic |
| 10:33.09 | blazemonger | i apologize |
| 10:33.10 | asg | apt-get install bsdgames ; /usr/share/games/wtf is ot |
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| 10:33.23 | blazemonger | btw i'd like to mention that debian etch is nice |
| 10:33.34 | asg | s#/share/## |
| 10:33.36 | blazemonger | only thing i need to learn is the lockdown part |
| 10:34.03 | azeem | asg: /usrgames/wtf? ;) |
| 10:34.05 | MangosDebian | !wtf ot |
| 10:34.06 | dpkg | OT: off topic |
| 10:34.20 | MangosDebian | asg: ^^ |
| 10:34.21 | asg | azeem: bah, I just woke up :/ |
| 10:34.33 | asg | MangosDebian: better to have a local copy though just to be sure |
| 10:34.46 | MangosDebian | heh, true |
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| 10:43.10 | liable | why do i have to google wtf the .asc key is for volatile.. why cant the site say so instead of reading a mailing list post about it.. |
| 10:43.29 | azeem | because otherwise volatile would be documented |
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| 10:43.46 | azeem | liable: is there a debian-volatile-keyring package or something? |
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| 10:44.05 | liable | azeem: its a file you need to download and import with apt-key |
| 10:44.08 | james_ | hello |
| 10:44.17 | james_ | can anyone help me please im trying to start a program but it wont run |
| 10:44.21 | liable | azeem: and unfortunately they dont mention this |
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| 10:44.23 | james_ | it was working fine and it keeps acting odd |
| 10:44.30 | liable | azeem: http://lwn.net/Articles/237013/ |
| 10:44.40 | james_ | everytime i start it it says: |
| 10:44.46 | azeem | liable: I know, but other sites (like debian-multimedia, and I think backports.org) offer that file/the public key in a package |
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| 10:45.05 | PerfDave | james_: What program are you trying to start, how are you trying to start it, how did you install it, what version of Debian are you running? Please stop pressing return after every few words. |
| 10:45.13 | james_ | /etc/citadel/citadel.config must be owned by uid=1001 ut 108 owns it! |
| 10:45.43 | samesame | if a debian developer adds to something on a server like: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ does that mean all the other servers get updated, so they are all exactly the same? |
| 10:45.50 | liable | azeem: http://www.debian.org/volatile/ <-- thats all the volatile page mentions |
| 10:46.03 | Maerz | i can here my self in the speakers, but nothing is recorded.. any ideas ? |
| 10:46.15 | azeem | liable: it has "Archive signing key" on that page |
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| 10:46.20 | PerfDave | The Debian Volatile website tells you which key you need to verify packages from it. |
| 10:46.31 | james_ | I am on debian etch, no one is in the citadel room to help me i have been waiting there all morning, it was installed via apt, it runs normaly from init.d but i have tried starting from init and nothing happens, i have tried starting it manually by running /usr/sbin/citserver and the above is the error i get |
| 10:47.07 | azeem | james_: do you try to run it as your own user |
| 10:47.15 | james_ | there is no such user 1001, and 108 IS the citadel user that it auto installed, i have no idea why its suddenly wont let me start it |
| 10:47.18 | james_ | yes |
| 10:47.18 | azeem | james_: apparently citadel wants to be started as its own user |
| 10:47.20 | james_ | and as root |
| 10:47.25 | azeem | james_: what does "id" return? |
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| 10:47.52 | james_ | azeem can you suggest a command to start it as the citadel user |
| 10:48.03 | azeem | james_: what is the problem when you start it as /etc/init.d/citadel-foo start or so |
| 10:48.12 | PerfDave | james_: If it runs normally from init.d, run it normally from init.d! |
| 10:48.19 | azeem | because that is apparently how it is supposed to be run |
| 10:48.45 | james_ | nothing happens |
| 10:48.54 | james_ | no error, its just not started :( |
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| 10:49.08 | azeem | why do you think it is not started? |
| 10:49.19 | azeem | anyway, gotta go, lunch |
| 10:49.21 | azeem | james_: good luckk |
| 10:49.25 | james_ | because i cant connect to it and it is not in the process list |
| 10:49.31 | james_ | ta |
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| 10:50.02 | samesame | jesus hell, there are hundreds of packages in http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/ no wonder it takes time to make things go stable |
| 10:50.31 | james_ | any ideas why it keeps complaining? |
| 10:50.39 | amphi | samesame: 18,000-odd pacages in debian stable, I believe |
| 10:50.44 | samesame | jesus |
| 10:51.11 | liable | yes? |
| 10:51.49 | samesame | when i apt-get install something in debian, does the sources list match the folder names in /debian/pool/main/ ? |
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| 10:55.28 | Mattias | yay, stupid me, i checked through xorg.conf, and noticed the nvidia.com driver install that automaticly updates xorg.conf messed it up, so i used my own made and it worked on testing :P |
| 10:55.36 | Mattias | with the nvidia driver from nvidia.com that is |
| 10:55.57 | PerfDave | Mattias: Ooh, that's a bad idea. |
| 10:56.05 | Mattias | PerfDave: yeah, well working now :P |
| 10:56.12 | PerfDave | Mattias: For now. |
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| 10:56.42 | PerfDave | Mattias: Your system will one day soon break in horrible ways. |
| 10:56.52 | Mattias | PerfDave: well, i can't see any bleeding edge apps in testing, pretty much old stable stuff there, except debians own way for some stuff when it installs |
| 10:57.15 | Mattias | PerfDave: i know how to fix most stuff :) been using gentoo for 5-6 years :P |
| 10:57.19 | PerfDave | Mattias: Testing isn't supposed to be for bleeding edge stuff. |
| 10:57.31 | PerfDave | Mattias: Using Gentoo doesn't make you an expert in anything. |
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| 10:57.48 | Mattias | PerfDave: no, but i can fix most stuff manually if needed |
| 10:57.56 | samesame | if i do: apt-get install s-base64 and if u look at the top of this list: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/ and my sources.lst is set to ftp.us.debian.org does the sources.lst use that same filename? |
| 10:57.58 | Mattias | just takes some time to figure out :) |
| 10:59.34 | stew | samesame: what do you mean be "sources.lst use that same filename"? |
| 11:00.49 | stew | samesame: that page would have a list of source package names. often package names are the same as their source package names, but not always |
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| 11:01.04 | PerfDave | Mattias: You'd do better to figure out how to do it right in the first place. |
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| 11:01.14 | nvz | I woke up and my gnome-panel was havin a seizure which was stopping any clicks or keypresses including a Sysrq kill from registering |
| 11:01.21 | samesame | i see |
| 11:01.56 | nvz | seems like the Apps/places/desktop menus were all trying to open really fast |
| 11:02.05 | stew | samesame: and that pool is used for multiple releases, so for any given release, some of the source packages listed may be not available |
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| 11:02.31 | samesame | ok |
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| 11:03.02 | nvz | I thought it might be a faulty keyboard/stuck key at first.. but I dont think there is a key combo that even activates those menus |
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| 11:05.34 | nvz | ugh.. I drank one 12oz beer with less than 5% alc/vol last night and I got a killer headache this morning |
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| 11:05.52 | PerfDave | nvz: That's where you went wrong. Not enough beer. |
| 11:05.57 | nvz | heh |
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| 11:07.29 | nvz | oh well I killed gnome-panel my job here is done.. time to lay back down |
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| 11:08.08 | HostilePenguin | what package does dig come in? |
| 11:08.17 | Scurz | dns-utils ? |
| 11:08.18 | petemc | dnsutils |
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| 11:08.24 | Scurz | :) |
| 11:08.37 | Trentster | hey all, I have my pc mounting to an nfs share on another deb box on the network......I have set "rw" read and write in etc/exports but I do not have write access. is there a way I can give everyone write access to that nfs share and have all files copied or created to that share to default to a certain group and owner |
| 11:08.55 | CalJohn | Why does debian kernel building proceedures alway advocate using fakeroot? Is there a risk of an exploit in the kernel tree? |
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| 11:09.00 | PerfDave | Trentster: Look into user mapping. |
| 11:09.09 | HostilePenguin | thank you |
| 11:09.16 | PerfDave | CalJohn: It's good practice to not use root wherever possible. |
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| 11:10.08 | Trentster | PerfDave, can you elaborate or point me in the right direction? |
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| 11:10.45 | stew | CalJohn: there is a risk of a bug in the makefiles |
| 11:11.23 | CalJohn | stew: PerfDave: Interesting. I see the reasoning now. |
| 11:13.29 | PerfDave | Trentster: NFS usually relies on user IDs etc. being synchronised, but you can set up "maps" between different systems if they're different. It should be in "man exports" |
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| 11:16.15 | Trentster | PerfDave, thanks...will take a look |
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| 11:18.49 | alanhaggai | How can I mount a remote filesystem in my local PC? |
| 11:19.16 | abrotman | depends on the remote file system |
| 11:19.19 | stew | alanhaggai: what kind of filesystem is it? |
| 11:19.40 | abrotman | and also what you mean by "remote" |
| 11:19.48 | abrotman | PerfDave! |
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| 11:20.08 | alanhaggai | steve, it's NTFS and is on LAN. |
| 11:20.19 | alanhaggai | ah! |
| 11:20.21 | alanhaggai | stew, |
| 11:20.29 | PerfDave | alanhaggai: What operating systems are your local and remote machines running? |
| 11:20.57 | alanhaggai | The local is running Debian and the other is running Windows XP. |
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| 11:21.23 | PerfDave | alanhaggai: You can share the folder on the XP box, and use Samba on the Debian side to mount it. |
| 11:21.26 | alanhaggai | I am able to get access to it by specifying like: \\192.168.1.x in konqueror. |
| 11:21.46 | alanhaggai | But it would have been nice to have it mounted in /mnt |
| 11:21.53 | stew | alanhaggai: mount -t cifs //192.168.1.x/sharename /mnt |
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| 11:22.08 | stew | alanhaggai: if you want it to always be mounted, add it to /etc/fstab |
| 11:22.09 | alanhaggai | ok stew |
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| 11:23.26 | alanhaggai | stew that worked well :) Thank you. |
| 11:23.29 | wfq | hi |
| 11:24.14 | alanhaggai | And thanks to PrefDave and abrotman |
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| 11:26.42 | Marenz | i search an up-to-date howto for the T23 Thinkpad, installing the supersavage driver .. the ressources i find are all pretty old |
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| 11:27.24 | azeem | Marenz: is the supersavage driver binary-only? |
| 11:27.44 | Marenz | i haven'T found any supersavage driver at all.. only savage |
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| 11:27.51 | Marenz | thats why i ask |
| 11:28.09 | azeem | james_: did you check syslog and/or a possible app-specific log in /var/log? |
| 11:28.24 | liable | Marenz: try the thinkwiki or ask the mailing list (linux-thinkpad) |
| 11:28.27 | azeem | Marenz: are you sure your chipset isn't supported by the regular savage? |
| 11:28.30 | azeem | yeah, go thinkwiki |
| 11:28.36 | edistar | hey... is downgrading from lenny to etch dangerous? |
| 11:28.39 | flixil | Hello, does anyone here uses sid and have done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? Does it no longer let you choose the Section Module? Thanks |
| 11:28.48 | liable | edistar: no, just impossible :P |
| 11:28.49 | stew | Marenz: xorg comes with a driver named "savage" that supports your video card |
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| 11:29.04 | liable | edistar: well, damn near impossible |
| 11:29.05 | Marenz | azeem i tried savage, and it couldn't switch to the resolution |
| 11:29.06 | edistar | liable: can't I just change the sources.list? |
| 11:29.11 | liable | nope |
| 11:29.18 | azeem | Marenz: what is "the resolution"? |
| 11:29.31 | edistar | liable: I have a server running lenny... do you think it's stable enough? |
| 11:29.45 | PerfDave | edistar: Stable enough for what? |
| 11:29.54 | edistar | PerfDave: running apache |
| 11:29.57 | flixil | edistar: the problem is the package dependencies... downgrade is always more difficult... Usually the best is to wait and then just "upgrade" to a "lower" distribution (for example) |
| 11:30.00 | edistar | and mysql |
| 11:30.11 | azeem | edistar: don't run testing on servers on the internet |
| 11:30.13 | azeem | edistar: use stable |
| 11:30.15 | stew | edistar: running testing on a server is not recommended becuase it doesn't get timely security updates |
| 11:30.25 | PerfDave | edistar: Under what circumstances? It's impossible to say whether it's "stable enough". |
| 11:30.32 | edistar | okey |
| 11:30.43 | edistar | I'll need to change it again then |
| 11:30.49 | liable | not to mention it has a good chance of down time if an upgrade fails |
| 11:30.54 | Marenz | azeem 1400x1050 |
| 11:30.57 | flixil | edistar: if it's a server just for you and you don't care a lot having your security cracked go on with testing |
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| 11:31.26 | flixil | I mean if it's not a quite serious server |
| 11:31.30 | azeem | Marenz: are you sure you have enough video memory for that? |
| 11:31.34 | PerfDave | Marenz: How did you try to change the resolution? It should be independent of your driver. |
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| 11:31.41 | azeem | Marenz: does your T23 LCD has that as native resolution? |
| 11:31.49 | edistar | flixil: just my private webserver |
| 11:31.54 | liable | my shared mem r200 did 1400x1050 |
| 11:31.55 | Marenz | the t23 thinkpad is made for that res |
| 11:32.03 | Marenz | i tryeed changing with xrandr |
| 11:32.09 | Marenz | my res was not available |
| 11:32.14 | liable | s/did/does/ |
| 11:32.20 | Marenz | (i added it in xorg.conf) |
| 11:32.23 | azeem | Marenz: what resolution is it running by default? |
| 11:32.36 | flixil | edistar: then don't care and put a README.hacker on your $HOME and /root to make the first one contact to you ;P |
| 11:32.40 | Marenz | 1024x768 (one lower) |
| 11:33.16 | edistar | flixil: hehe |
| 11:33.25 | azeem | Marenz: you might need additional hacks for widescreen |
| 11:33.25 | stew | hrm i can't find my t23 xorg.conf that does 1400x1050 |
| 11:33.28 | PerfDave | Marenz: You probably don't want to hack xorg.conf |
| 11:33.41 | PerfDave | Marenz: Is there anything in your xorg logfile about the resolution? |
| 11:33.43 | azeem | thinkwiki isn't verbose on this it seems |
| 11:33.50 | stew | Marenz: show us your xorg.conf and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 11:34.11 | stew | azeem: he doesn't. i have a t23 with the same resolution, it works fine with the stock driver |
| 11:34.22 | edistar | I keep getting attacks from linux servers.. bruteforce on my ssh.. is that normal? I mean.. linux servers.. |
| 11:34.34 | azeem | stew: not for the driver, but the x.org setup I mean |
| 11:34.47 | stew | azeem: oh, yeah, he'd have to edit xorg.conf by hand |
| 11:34.52 | liable | edistar: how do you know the attacks are from linux servers? |
| 11:34.59 | stew | edistar: yes, that is normal. make sure all of your passwords are strong, and consider installing something like fail2ban |
| 11:35.10 | edistar | cause I try out the ips and I get for example 84.94.230.204 |
| 11:35.11 | liable | edistar: brute force attacks on ssh are quite common |
| 11:35.41 | azeem | Marenz: did you enable DRI? |
| 11:35.43 | liable | edistar: try the 'fail2ban' script |
| 11:35.45 | edistar | I wonder why they come from linux server.. |
| 11:35.48 | liable | package |
| 11:35.50 | liable | thing |
| 11:35.51 | azeem | Marenz: what does "glxinfo | grep direct" say? |
| 11:35.54 | azeem | "the DRI 3D drivers don't support 1400x1050 32-bit mode" |
| 11:35.54 | PerfDave | edistar: It's worth running ssh on a non-standard port, and using logcheck or something. |
| 11:36.06 | liable | edistar: and what does that ip have to do with linux? |
| 11:36.31 | edistar | a lot of webservers running on that ip tell my its a red hat apache running.. |
| 11:36.58 | edistar | s/that/a |
| 11:36.59 | PerfDave | edistar: Why does it surprise you that you're being attacked by a Linux server? |
| 11:37.01 | Marenz | haven't got glxinfo |
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| 11:37.32 | liable | it is indeed a linux machine |
| 11:37.32 | flixil | edistar: Contact with the server admin then, you can save them to fix their server |
| 11:37.43 | stew | edistar: if you want, you can run "whois 1.2.3.4" for that ip, find the netblock owner, and send mail to abuse@whatever, to inform them that one of their IPs is doing malicious things |
| 11:37.49 | Marenz | azeem , haven't got glxinfo. I just recreated the xorg.conf and now the res works flawless, (i screw the conf yesterday and lost the will to continue) |
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| 11:38.01 | azeem | eh, ok |
| 11:38.11 | edistar | PerfDave: I tought usually windows zombies did the bruteforcing.. |
| 11:38.15 | Marenz | i have no idea why O_o |
| 11:38.17 | liable | some kids gaming server |
| 11:38.23 | edistar | thanks to all :) |
| 11:38.28 | flixil | In SID dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't let you choose Section Module? |
| 11:38.56 | edistar | does fail2ban also use the ssh log? |
| 11:39.02 | azeem | flixil: did you read the changelog? |
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| 11:39.26 | sanelson | I ned to install MySQL 5.0.41 - which is in the unstable tree; I am using lenny... what's the recommended way to do this without mixing sources? pinning? or is that also considered harmful? |
| 11:39.27 | edistar | PerfDace: why? |
| 11:39.33 | PerfDave | edistar: Any system regardless of OS can be cracked and used as a zombie. If the admin of that server is running RedHat, it's likely that he's clueless because he's not running Debian ;) |
| 11:39.46 | PerfDave | sanelson: backporting |
| 11:39.50 | PerfDave | edistar: I dislike fail2ban because it's a hack when there are significantly more elegant solutions. |
| 11:39.54 | Marenz | azeem openGL render string: Mesa GLX indirect |
| 11:40.00 | edistar | PerfDave: for example? |
| 11:40.08 | sanelson | PerfDave: i couldn't find a backport for that package... |
| 11:40.16 | PerfDave | sanelson: So make your own. /msg dpkg backport |
| 11:40.16 | sanelson | should I make one? |
| 11:40.39 | PerfDave | edistar: Running your sshd on a nonstandard port will cut 99.99% of attacks, for starters. |
| 11:40.44 | flixil | no, i haven't... i was just investigatin if it was a bug or something... azeem changelog of what? Thanks |
| 11:40.59 | PerfDave | edistar: You can use iptables to limit new connections from particular IPs |
| 11:40.59 | azeem | flixil: of the relevant package |
| 11:41.08 | PerfDave | edistar: And you can use logcheck to investigate whatever still manages to get through :) |
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| 11:41.46 | edistar | I heard of a script that adds all ips that failed to log on twice to /etc/hosts.deny for a day |
| 11:41.53 | liable | iptables recent module does the trick to stop logs getting out of control and key login makes it all a moot point at anyrate |
| 11:42.03 | Saxe | argh, I keep getting an error when I try to download debian with jigdo. It says no space left, but there's 13.1 GB left! Does it really need that much room? |
| 11:42.18 | abrotman | Saxe: why are you using jigdo ? |
| 11:42.31 | Saxe | seems fast |
| 11:42.35 | liable | abrotman: wasnt it made to be used? |
| 11:42.38 | azeem | Saxe: did you check /tmp as enough space? |
| 11:42.41 | abrotman | sure .. but for a reason |
| 11:42.52 | azeem | ... to deflect traffic from the iso mirrors |
| 11:42.56 | PerfDave | edistar: NAsty hack |
| 11:43.11 | abrotman | IMO .. when you need offsite DVD/CD images and you don't want to redownload all the ISO stuffs with each point release .. jigdo is great |
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| 11:43.13 | PerfDave | jigdo is great for downloading ISOs. |
| 11:43.14 | phretor | hi there |
| 11:43.27 | PerfDave | Much faster than HTTP or even bittorrent. |
| 11:43.38 | phretor | how could I make dpkg-buildpackage to skip autoconf stuff? |
| 11:43.46 | Saxe | azeem, I'm on windows at the moment |
| 11:43.47 | azeem | phretor: why would you? |
| 11:43.53 | phretor | I want to keep the one that is inlcuded in the source |
| 11:44.04 | azeem | Saxe: dunno about that then, maybe check %TMPDIR% or whatever that is |
| 11:44.05 | phretor | azeem is it achievable? |
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| 11:44.12 | azeem | phretor: depends on the package |
| 11:44.19 | azeem | look into debian/rules |
| 11:44.23 | phretor | ok |
| 11:44.33 | flixil | azeem this is what i found on xserver-xorg changelog. Don't use the dexconf function fetch to get the modes. This will fail when the value is empty by design. Just use db_get instead. |
| 11:44.58 | flixil | So do i have to supose that dpkg-reconfigure uses dexconf? How can i use db_get? Thanks |
| 11:45.15 | azeem | flixil: is there any reason you need this? |
| 11:45.27 | Saxe | I honestly can't find the problem. torrents report all the space is used as well.. Maybe I should just use http. sigh :P |
| 11:45.43 | azeem | Saxe: is one of your partitions full? |
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| 11:45.53 | abrotman | Saxe: is there a reason you're not using the netinst ? |
| 11:46.10 | flixil | azeem: Not really, I can live without DRI, but i'm just curious about what happens, as always. Is it that bad? |
| 11:46.14 | Saxe | no that's the weird thing. one has 13.1 GB left, other has 50 GB. none of them work |
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| 11:46.47 | Saxe | abrotman, well I've never tried it before so I don't know how it works. Is it the same as installing from DVD? |
| 11:46.51 | PerfDave | Netinsts suck unless you've got a full local package mirror |
| 11:47.04 | azeem | Saxe: sure |
| 11:47.10 | azeem | PerfDave: oh, come on |
| 11:47.20 | PerfDave | Saxe: It's like that, only much slower and significantly more hassle if you have to reinstall. |
| 11:47.21 | azeem | Saxe: what kind of internet connection do you have? |
| 11:47.53 | liable | cant be too shabby if hes trying to download dvd's |
| 11:48.06 | edistar | PerfDave: how do I change the ssh port? |
| 11:48.06 | abrotman | Saxe: using the netinst is pretty easy |
| 11:48.07 | Saxe | azeem, 4mbit down 300 something kbit up |
| 11:48.11 | petemc | PerfDave: ive never installed from anything other than a netinst, i dont feel im missing out on anything |
| 11:48.15 | Saxe | I think |
| 11:48.16 | azeem | PerfDave: that's fine, but Debian recommends using the netinst if you have DSL or up |
| 11:48.22 | PerfDave | azeem: Debian's wrong :) |
| 11:48.25 | abrotman | PerfDave: that's crap .. it sounds like you're deficient |
| 11:48.29 | PerfDave | petemc: You must have plenty of time on your hands :) |
| 11:48.30 | Braindead | PerfDave: it can't be slower,it can't be slower because you're just downloading what you need. and then... reinstall? seriously. |
| 11:48.43 | abrotman | Braindead: it can be |
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| 11:48.44 | petemc | PerfDave: eh? 20 minutes for an install |
| 11:48.47 | azeem | PerfDave: just don't mess up your box every 10 minutes, and you won't have to reinstall |
| 11:48.54 | petemc | PerfDave: time for a new internet connection, perhaps |
| 11:48.56 | azeem | Saxe: download a netinst .iso, burn it, done |
| 11:49.07 | azeem | Saxe: what kind of network connector does your box have? WLAN? |
| 11:49.08 | PerfDave | azeem: Are you telling me thant when you first started using Debian you never reinstalled for any reason? |
| 11:49.18 | azeem | PerfDave: sort of |
| 11:49.22 | PerfDave | Braindead: It's much slower to perform the installation process with a netinstall than with a full image. |
| 11:49.27 | azeem | maybe once in the first four years |
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| 11:49.41 | abrotman | PerfDave: no it's not |
| 11:49.43 | petemc | PerfDave: how much shorter than 20 minutes is it? |
| 11:49.45 | PerfDave | azeem: I marvel at your godlike powers. |
| 11:49.47 | petemc | and does that count as "much" ? |
| 11:49.54 | abrotman | PerfDave: the install is the install |
| 11:49.54 | suppaman | Braindead: ? |
| 11:50.05 | PerfDave | abrotman: Sure it is, because you can actually use your fucking machine while you're downloading a full ISO. You can't while you're netinstalling. |
| 11:50.13 | Saxe | azeem, sorry I have no idea.. I'm just a newbie :P They are connected through a switch and then a router if that's what you mean? |
| 11:50.23 | abrotman | PerfDave: that doesn't make the install *faster* |
| 11:50.26 | azeem | Saxe: so regular ethernet? should be fine then |
| 11:50.35 | PerfDave | abrotman: Sure it does. Your machine is out of action for less time. |
| 11:50.39 | abrotman | PerfDave: no it's not |
| 11:50.55 | PerfDave | abrotman: Yes it is, because you don't have to stop to download packages during the install. |
| 11:51.10 | azeem | PerfDave: as if that mattered at 4mbit |
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| 11:51.13 | stew | but it depends of course on the speed of the network and the speed of the cdrom |
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| 11:51.17 | petemc | PerfDave: i think this all comes back to what must be an awful internet connection you have |
| 11:51.18 | liable | this is all reallt quite silly |
| 11:51.19 | abrotman | base is on the netinst .. and gives you a working system |
| 11:51.25 | wols | abrotman: how fast is your optical drive, how fast is your network connection to the internet? |
| 11:51.27 | stew | so its not really worth arguing about without knowing those variables |
| 11:51.29 | Saxe | azeem, yeah I guess. But isn't this netinst for "pros"? Since you have to select your packages yourself? |
| 11:51.32 | suppaman | I think I reinstalled when I switched the hd |
| 11:51.35 | azeem | Saxe: no |
| 11:51.40 | PerfDave | petemc: I've got DSL, so according to azeem I should be netinstalling. |
| 11:51.44 | Braindead | OMFGWTFBBQ /o\ I need my internewebz while I'm installing. FAPFAPFAP! |
| 11:51.55 | azeem | Saxe: it's just like the regular install, except it downloads the packages via the internet and doesn't have them on the iso |
| 11:51.58 | abrotman | wols: if you have multiple machines (and no apt-proxy) .. sure .. the CD/DVD would be faster .. but for a single box .. it's like to not be |
| 11:52.01 | abrotman | likely |
| 11:52.02 | edistar | who cares? ;) |
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| 11:52.11 | azeem | PerfDave: according to me, this discussion should be done now |
| 11:52.14 | stew | i certainly have cdroms that are slower than my network connection, i certainly have cdroms that are faster if i have to go out to the internet for packages |
| 11:52.15 | Saxe | azeem, ah okay :) Thanks, I'll try to use netinst then |
| 11:52.21 | wols | abrotman: it is if you, like him, disregard the time you need to donwload the ISO |
| 11:52.30 | liable | Braindead: best comment of this whole conversation :) |
| 11:52.30 | suppaman | but that wasn't for my skill with debian, it was rather my "unskillyness" that inhibited me from reinstall anything |
| 11:52.49 | azeem | PerfDave: one reason Debian recommends netinst is to take away pressure from the .iso mirrors, please respect this. |
| 11:52.50 | abrotman | wols: and the number of times you reinstall in a year? :) |
| 11:52.53 | edistar | I didn't notice a great speedup with the dvds... |
| 11:52.53 | Braindead | liable: thanks. I think a provided a good hindsight |
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| 11:53.11 | PerfDave | azeem: I download my ISOs using jigdo :) |
| 11:53.27 | PerfDave | azeem: And I only need to download them once that way, and use them on multiple machines. |
| 11:53.32 | suppaman | Braindead: did you say "prot" ? |
| 11:53.35 | mike | debian is never really installed |
| 11:53.37 | Braindead | suppaman: sort of |
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| 11:53.52 | suppaman | Braindead: how nice |
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| 11:54.13 | suppaman | Braindead: I'm almost going in a coma without afterlunch coffee |
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| 11:55.10 | liable | mike: sshhh, dont tell my server that. |
| 11:55.13 | suppaman | Braindead: sabbi doiu ? |
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| 11:55.40 | mike | liable: i have been installing for mnths hehe |
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| 11:56.41 | flixil | azeem: Reading changelogs of xserver-xorg, what amb i suposed to be looking for in http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/x/xorg/xorg_7.2-5/changelog ?? |
| 11:57.13 | azeem | flixil: as I said, why do you need the functionality that has gone missing? |
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| 11:58.53 | flixil | azeem well i cannot get DRI working, and i had the drivers succefulled installed. So i suppose that it's a problem about it... Really i don't know where the problem could be, so i'm walking half-blind |
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| 11:59.16 | azeem | flixil: what does DRI have to do with sections? |
| 11:59.48 | azeem | flixil: hrm |
| 11:59.53 | flixil | Well... as suposed to add glx and so in Section Module |
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| 11:59.59 | flixil | Isn't it? |
| 12:00.07 | sanelson | hrm; getting a bunch of texlive dependency issues when i try to install the build deps |
| 12:00.08 | azeem | flixil: thinking about it again, I seem to remember having read that the Section Module is obsolete |
| 12:00.29 | azeem | flixil: better to check your logfile as to what went wrong |
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| 12:03.06 | flixil | azeem i did, and i get this error, so i thought it was a problem with the modules: (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable, so i thought it was it |
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| 12:03.34 | flixil | azeem http://pastebin.com/937435 |
| 12:03.35 | stew | flixil: which driver are you using? |
| 12:03.39 | tyler2435 | what would i use to simple return a files size? (ie cmd file.ext) |
| 12:03.46 | simmerz | when i import a utf-8 encoded file into mysql, the unicode characters all get messed up. any ideas on how to resolve it? |
| 12:03.49 | flixil | the ati propietary one |
| 12:03.56 | stew | tyler2435: stat file.ext |
| 12:04.03 | tyler2435 | mk |
| 12:04.04 | tyler2435 | ty |
| 12:04.06 | stew | tyler2435: or du file.ext |
| 12:04.17 | tyler2435 | awesome |
| 12:04.43 | stew | tyler2435: (you might want du -h or -H or -k... read the manpage) |
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| 12:05.23 | tyler2435 | mk |
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| 12:06.09 | speeves | tyler2435: what about ls -lh <file>? |
| 12:06.22 | tyler2435 | yeh |
| 12:06.24 | tyler2435 | that works as well |
| 12:06.34 | tyler2435 | i prefer du -H, out of them all |
| 12:06.43 | speeves | cksum <file> :) |
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| 12:06.59 | Mattias | i installed nvidia drivers using nvidia.com drivers. it works after i install it, everytime i restart the computer thought, i see "Removing NVIDIA TLS... done" and i need to reinstall it again to start xorg. any ideas to make it stop doing that? |
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| 12:07.29 | azeem | Mattias: we discourage the use of nvidia.com drivers |
| 12:07.42 | stew | flixil: afaik, the ati proprietary driver does not support AIGLX |
| 12:07.42 | Mattias | azeem: im using this because the debian ones isn't working at all |
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| 12:07.53 | tyler2435 | hmm |
| 12:08.05 | tyler2435 | how would i trim the X first num of lines from a specific file? |
| 12:08.12 | Braindead | dpkg: tell Mattias about doesn't work |
| 12:08.21 | tyler2435 | i have a huge ass logfile, and i forgot to turn rotate on, so itd be nice to simply trim it |
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| 12:08.42 | Braindead | tyler2435: just tail it |
| 12:08.47 | Mattias | Braindead: the nvidia stuff in testing is bugged atm, so i have to use nvidia.com's drivers |
| 12:08.56 | tyler2435 | yeah i know |
| 12:08.59 | tyler2435 | im not trying to view it though |
| 12:09.03 | tyler2435 | trying to downsize it heh |
| 12:09.16 | Braindead | tyler2435: tail > foo.log |
| 12:09.25 | tyler2435 | ah |
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| 12:09.58 | pppag | what is mplayer doing in my /etc/init.d list? |
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| 12:10.45 | sanelson | gosh, texlive really is in a mess - can't remove it or install / upgrade it |
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| 12:11.11 | Mattias | Braindead: as i said. i just wish to remove the "Removing NVIDIA TLS" from startup of debian. because the drivers works. but i don't know why it removes everytime at startup |
| 12:11.20 | speeves | tyler2435: split --help |
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| 12:11.36 | liable | pppag: you tell us |
| 12:11.36 | tyler2435 | mk |
| 12:11.48 | phretor | from a configure script I am getting: "configure: error: missing elfutils development headers/libraries (dw 0.123+)" |
| 12:11.48 | stew | tyler2435: to delete the first X lines of a file, run: sed -i 1,Xd /path/to/file |
| 12:11.57 | liable | pppag: which package owns it? |
| 12:11.59 | tyler2435 | thank you |
| 12:12.02 | phretor | but phretor@aerobook:~/trash/systemtap-0.0.20061028$ dpkg -l | grep libdw -> "ii libdw-dev 0.123-2 library that provides access to the DWARF de" |
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| 12:12.21 | phretor | suggestions? |
| 12:12.48 | stew | phretor: read config.log to see exactly what file it was looking for, then use apt-file to find a package providing that file: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 12:12.51 | pppag | liable: what command to findo out? |
| 12:13.12 | liable | pppag: dpkg -S /path/to/script |
| 12:14.22 | pppag | mplayer ^^ |
| 12:14.25 | pppag | of course |
| 12:14.59 | pppag | to rephrase the question, why would mplayer need to be inn that list? |
| 12:15.14 | liable | i dont know why you say 'of course' because I have never seen or cant think of why it would need an init script |
| 12:15.18 | Mattias | what i don't understand is, i install the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com, then start xorg, it works, when i restart the computer, i see at startup "Removing NVIDIA TLS..." then it won't start xorg, then if i reinstall the nvidia drivers again it works again. there has to be a fix? |
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| 12:15.44 | liable | pppag: paste the script |
| 12:15.52 | liable | pppag: where did you get the package from? |
| 12:16.01 | pppag | let me check |
| 12:16.20 | phretor | stew: they do not perform a simple "file check" http://pastie.caboo.se/73984 |
| 12:16.27 | pppag | liable: i think it was dedale.eu.org |
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| 12:17.27 | stew | phretor: what are you trying to compile? |
| 12:17.28 | pppag | liable: script says it provides RTC for mplayer |
| 12:17.39 | liable | pppag: huh? |
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| 12:17.51 | liable | pppag: put the script on a pastebot |
| 12:17.59 | phretor | stew: http://sourceware.org/systemtap/wiki/SystemtapOnDebian |
| 12:18.05 | phretor | stew: following the CVS way |
| 12:18.18 | pppag | liable: what's /dev/rtc |
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| 12:18.53 | stew | phretor: apt-cache build-dep systemtap |
| 12:19.00 | sanelson | so what's the aptitude scoring system? does a bigger negative number mean a less satisfactory solution? but one whichwill still work? |
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| 12:19.03 | stew | phretor: err, apt-get build-dep systemtap |
| 12:19.03 | phretor | stew: done |
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| 12:19.21 | Mattias | when i do for example sudo apt-cache search nvidia, i just see all packages, how can i see if the packages are installed or not too? |
| 12:19.23 | liable | pppag: real time clock. kernel shit, and mplayer shouldnt have anything to do with it afaik |
| 12:19.28 | phretor | stew: no problems encountered |
| 12:19.36 | stew | sanelson: yes |
| 12:19.58 | Braindead | liable: dev.rtc.max-user-freq=1024 |
| 12:20.16 | liable | Braindead: mplayer option? |
| 12:20.17 | Braindead | I manually put it in sysctl.conf to make mplayer happy |
| 12:20.20 | liable | oh |
| 12:20.42 | Braindead | it's more reliable and less cpu-intensive if it can /dev/rtc |
| 12:20.45 | stew | phretor: what version of libelf-dev is installed? |
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| 12:21.22 | phretor | stew: phretor@aerobook:~/trash/systemtap-0.0.20061028$ dpkg -l | grep libdw -> "ii libdw-dev 0.123-2 library that provides access to the DWARF de" |
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| 12:21.22 | liable | pppag: see Braindead's comment, does the script echo a value to /proc? |
| 12:21.27 | stew | phretor: yeah, i saw that. what version of libelf-dev is installed? |
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| 12:21.44 | phretor | stew: uh, sorry: old clipboard. |
| 12:22.25 | phretor | stew: libelf-dev 0.123-2, libelf1 0.123-2, libelfg0 0.8.6-3 |
| 12:23.03 | Mattias | is there a way to search a keyword and see which of the matches are installed ? |
| 12:23.09 | stew | phretor: the source in sid depends explicitly on >= 0.127-3 for both libdw-dev and libelf-dev ; if you are compiling a cvs version it would not be suprising if you needed a newer version as well |
| 12:23.32 | liable | Mattias: gpkg -l|grep foo |
| 12:23.43 | liable | s/gpkg/dpkg/ |
| 12:23.57 | phretor | stew: mh.. |
| 12:24.12 | Mattias | liable: thanks |
| 12:24.17 | stew | Mattias: a keyword that might appear where? |
| 12:24.31 | pppag | liable: all it does is set the max-user-frequency i think, has got a line to /proc/sys/rtc or so |
| 12:25.02 | pppag | liable: S=/proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq |
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| 12:25.08 | liable | pppag: k |
| 12:25.13 | phretor | stew: I got deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free, deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free in sources.list |
| 12:25.24 | pppag | liable: thanks for the effort |
| 12:25.39 | Prometheus^ | excuse my newbieness, but if I want to just see what an upgrade might install, would "apt-get upgrade imagemagick --dry-run" do the trick? |
| 12:25.44 | stew | phretor: you should get rid of non-US, it doesn't exist anymore |
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| 12:25.58 | phretor | oki |
| 12:26.01 | stew | phretor: you might have to backport libdw-dev and libelf-dev, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 12:26.20 | stew | phretor: "apt-get -s install imagemagick" |
| 12:26.23 | stew | Prometheus^: ^^^ |
| 12:26.31 | pppag | prometheus^: -s option |
| 12:26.39 | Prometheus^ | ah, thank you :)= |
| 12:26.48 | stew | Prometheus^: (and note that you want "install" not "upgrade") |
| 12:26.51 | Prometheus^ | I just need to see if upgrading imagemagick would cause a disaster |
| 12:27.06 | Prometheus^ | as far as dependencies and stuff |
| 12:27.06 | phretor | stew: which version I should install? |
| 12:27.17 | Prometheus^ | since I have an older version of imagemagick, which doesn't seem to be working too well |
| 12:27.19 | Prometheus^ | thanks guys :) |
| 12:27.22 | pppag | Anybody have a link to a standard/basic /etc/init.d list? |
| 12:27.31 | pppag | in debian lenny |
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| 12:27.45 | stew | phretor: i don't know |
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| 12:30.18 | phretor | stew: < 0.123 or > 0.123 ? |
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| 12:30.39 | stew | phretor: i would say >= 0.127-3 |
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| 12:34.33 | JarJarBinks | I have some users, that are only allowed to use scp (sftp) their shell is therefore scponly so I know they can't make an interactive login... the command lastlog however wont register when they've used their account... how can I check when a scponly user was last active |
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| 12:35.45 | mkl1525 | Hi, trying to load smbfs and get the message "FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.17.13/modules.dep: No such file or directory" would it be sufficient to run depmod or do I need anything else? |
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| 12:36.04 | JarJarBinks | mkl1525: module-assistant? |
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| 12:36.41 | yangvnc | which is the apache 1.3 cgi package? |
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| 12:37.09 | myst | hi, anyone here using exim4? |
| 12:37.17 | abrotman | no one .. no one at all |
| 12:37.21 | yangvnc | myst: what is the problem? |
| 12:37.24 | JarJarBinks | heh |
| 12:37.25 | myst | oh my god... ;) |
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| 12:37.41 | stew | yangvnc: "apache" |
| 12:37.48 | stew | mkl1525: yes, it should be |
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| 12:38.05 | myst | please tell me what is the difference between /etc/email-addresses and dc_readhost substitutions? |
| 12:38.20 | yangvnc | stew: is it blocked by default in apache? |
| 12:39.29 | myst | do I need to enable "hide local mail name" to use /etc/email-addresses? |
| 12:39.52 | nvz | yangvnc: you have to configure apache you know.. like to allow script access on a dir |
| 12:40.13 | nvz | yangvnc: if you just let anyone run scripts from any dir it would be a huge security problem |
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| 12:43.53 | myst | so, nobody knows? |
| 12:44.41 | petemc | myst: you could enable, then grep -A 5 rewrite /var/lib/exim4/config.authgenerated |
| 12:45.08 | petemc | s/auth/auto/ |
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| 12:47.01 | Maerz | the Default resume partition value in the kernel config, does that hhave to be a different swap then the one my system is using ? |
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| 12:48.20 | Maerz | and is it bad if that swap is inside a lvm that was encrypted ? |
| 12:48.31 | cast | not bad, not fast either |
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| 12:48.45 | cast | swap on lvm had performance issues once, i think they're not so bad now |
| 12:49.32 | cast | i turn off swap, works for me |
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| 12:54.39 | fungo | why do i have a lot of programs that exist in /usr/bin and /usr/X11R6/bin |
| 12:54.54 | fungo | they are the same programs, ordinary copies |
| 12:54.57 | abrotman | where would you rather they be? |
| 12:55.06 | abrotman | they aren't links ? |
| 12:55.09 | fungo | no |
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| 12:55.22 | fungo | xrandr is a example |
| 12:55.35 | Maerz | wth is this for an option ????ß Disable ACPI for systems before Jan 1st this year |
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| 12:55.50 | fungo | oh, forget it, the whole directory is a link |
| 12:55.54 | fungo | duh :( |
| 12:56.10 | abrotman | HymnToLife: wrong channel ? |
| 12:56.13 | liable | wah? |
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| 13:00.04 | munga | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.19 | munga | #/msg dpkg etch |
| 13:00.36 | liable | !tell munga about etch |
| 13:00.39 | fungo | there's a simple way to add some programs from unstable but keep the distribution the stable distribution? |
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| 13:00.50 | abrotman | !tell fungo about backports |
| 13:00.57 | Ronin | doh, too slow today |
| 13:01.03 | abrotman | today? |
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| 13:01.18 | Ronin | bite me |
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| 13:01.23 | abrotman | !bite Ronin |
| 13:01.37 | Ronin | sweet, long term leave here i come :) |
| 13:02.03 | abrotman | oh .. you work for the gov't .. couldn't you just stub your toe ? |
| 13:02.31 | munga | I want to modify a package and I'm using svn-buildpackage. I know that there is a way of creating the build directory with svn-buildpackage, modify something, exit from the shell and let svn-buildpackage to re-package the whole thing... how ? I don't remember the command... |
| 13:02.33 | Ronin | id laugh if that was so close to the damn truth |
| 13:03.27 | abrotman | wasn't ? |
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| 13:03.56 | liable | !nitpick abrotman |
| 13:04.12 | stew | yangvnc: i'm not sure if it is loaded by default of not, if not, you can use apache-modconf to enable it |
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| 13:06.25 | massctrl | hi, how can I stop cron from mailing local root the output of cronjobs ? |
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| 13:06.56 | ironfroggy | when i do `addgroup user groupname` i get a message saying the user is already a member, but the group does not show up in groups listing. also, i cant create a file in a directory with g+w. where should i look? |
| 13:06.58 | abrotman | would you like the mails to go somewhere else? |
| 13:07.02 | liable | massctrl: fix whatever you are getting mail about :) |
| 13:07.04 | _MoDaX_ | massctrl: normally, cron should not mail anything unless there is a problem |
| 13:07.23 | abrotman | ironfroggy: did you log out after making yourself a member of the group ? |
| 13:08.04 | JarJarBinks | massctrl: cron -L 0 disable logging |
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| 13:08.18 | JarJarBinks | massctrl: cron(8) |
| 13:08.26 | abrotman | is logging the same as reporting ? |
| 13:08.28 | ironfroggy | abrotman: thanks. i always forget that. |
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| 13:09.06 | sanelson | hrm... Bug #429716 - my reading seems to indicate that the package maninatiner upoaded a fixed version... but I'm up-to-date, and still can't install tetex-bin |
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| 13:09.58 | abrotman | might still be in incoming |
| 13:10.16 | flixil | stew: sorry i wasn't here... Ok thanks for the info :) |
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| 13:11.30 | smhar | anybody running gnome 2.16 (or even 2.18) on debian testing? |
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| 13:12.43 | munga | how can I use dpatch with svn-buildpackage ? |
| 13:12.50 | fungo | errr, where's xorgcfg? ^^ |
| 13:13.00 | tyler2435 | id like to cp the first 1900 lines of a file to another file, simple, or delete all lines after the 1900th line of a file, how would i do that? |
| 13:13.09 | stew | fungo: it no longer exists |
| 13:13.23 | fungo | so how do i configure X? |
| 13:13.31 | stew | fungo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 13:14.50 | klim_ | hi, where can i get the apt source lists for debian4? |
| 13:15.18 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 13:15.18 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 13:15.20 | klim_ | it there a command to automate the source lists setup in debian4? |
| 13:15.56 | fungo | stew: also, how do i remove gdm from the initialization? XD |
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| 13:16.03 | stew | klim_: there is apt-spy which tries tons of mirrors to try to find a nearby one, but it takes a long time to run |
| 13:16.08 | stew | fungo: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 13:16.22 | klim_ | thanks |
| 13:16.23 | abrotman | afaik .. it tries to find the fastest .. regardless of its location |
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| 13:16.53 | flixil | fungo: rm the simlink of /etc/rc* |
| 13:16.56 | stew | i thought it tried to find a close one ping-wise, not necessarily a fast one throughput-wise |
| 13:17.02 | stew | but i dunno |
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| 13:17.15 | abrotman | !apt-spy |
| 13:17.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
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| 13:17.50 | sebmox | tyler2435 : head -n1900 file1 > file2 |
| 13:18.00 | tyler2435 | thank you |
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| 13:19.16 | flixil | stew: the chief thing is that using fglrx i never said that i want to use aiglx... I don't wanna use compiz nor xgl nor beryl... So why does xorg write the aiglx error on the log? on the xorg.conf i doesn't have a module section. Where does one enable aiglx? |
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| 13:19.57 | smacnay | Was the tetex-bin issue resolved? I don't see the bug report up anymore. |
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| 13:20.07 | stew | flixil: it would generally be enabled in the Extensions section iirc, perhaps it is enabled by default these days |
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| 13:20.44 | stew | flixil: no, sorry, in ServerLayout |
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| 13:20.51 | reiser2 | hi |
| 13:21.03 | reiser2 | is the some application to open .rar files? |
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| 13:21.36 | flixil | reiser2: to uncompress use unrar |
| 13:21.44 | flixil | there is a free and a non-free version |
| 13:22.24 | reiser2 | i don't have unrar |
| 13:22.41 | cast | well what do you think you should do then |
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| 13:23.05 | stew | reiser2: then you can't unpack the archive until you install unrar or unrar-nonfree |
| 13:23.05 | flixil | stew: this is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.ca/591860 i don't think there is nothing xtrange on it... I just removed the dri section |
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| 13:23.37 | stew | flixil: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:23.46 | tuliox | what are the useless daemons and ttys that i can disable to free some memory? im using kde... |
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| 13:23.55 | flixil | To have 3d rendering |
| 13:24.02 | flixil | i mean 3d acceleration |
| 13:24.08 | stew | flixil: which chipset do you have? |
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| 13:24.56 | flixil | well i have a radeon xpress 200M pcie, the thing is that i already used this card with the drivers and so on... |
| 13:25.30 | flixil | I deleted the xorg.conf by error and then i'm just trying to make it again with dpkg-reconfigure or manually |
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| 13:25.43 | stew | flixil: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ; choose 'radeon' instead 'fglrx', the free driver supports 3d for your card |
| 13:25.45 | flixil | That worked on me on testing before upgrading |
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| 13:26.11 | flixil | and radeon support also aiglx |
| 13:26.16 | stew | flixil: yes |
| 13:26.24 | flixil | that was not a question xD |
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| 13:26.45 | stew | flixil: or choose ati, i don't remember if radeon shows up or not, but choosing ati is just as good |
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| 13:27.22 | flixil | But despite what driver i end up using, i need to get fglrx working in orden to feel satisfied xD... I don't know if you will understand... After i try to make something work i have to |
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| 13:27.43 | SF_Leon | hi, where can I find a 3.0_r0 (woody) iso image these days (for research not production use)? |
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| 13:28.11 | stew | SF_Leon: http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 13:28.34 | SF_Leon | stew, hrmm.... maybe I am looking right past it then. /me looks again. |
| 13:28.53 | stew | SF_Leon: oh hmm, they might not have isos |
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| 13:29.17 | flixil | Well i was using ati since a week after, and radeon doesn't show up... |
| 13:29.27 | SF_Leon | stew, thats what I found. It was only the archives |
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| 13:31.19 | tuliox | SF_Leon http://ftp.wsisiz.edu.pl/pub/linux/debian-cd/3.0_r0/images/i386/ |
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| 13:32.42 | setuid | How can I stop the Mailman package (or some Debian cron job) from breaking Mailman? At some point at regular intervals, the permissions get changed and it breaks Mailman. I'm using all the defaults, but I have to CONSTANTLY change the perms back to www-data:list for /usr/lib/mailman and /var/lib/mailman, otherwise the web view is useless. |
| 13:33.16 | humbolto | seems like my firewire card shows up as eth0 instead of the first real ethernet NIC being eth0. How can I fix that? Or how can I at least verify which device is which eth*? |
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| 13:33.50 | stew | setuid: iirc (but it has been a while), the permissions need to be set at compile time |
| 13:33.59 | stew | humbolto: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 13:34.11 | setuid | stew, Right but this it the default Debian package |
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| 13:34.20 | setuid | Do I need to yank it out and run from a source-built version instead? |
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| 13:35.06 | setuid | This is what I get: http://rafb.net/p/RGIk1f20.html |
| 13:35.15 | SF_Leon | tuliox, thank you sir! |
| 13:35.16 | setuid | I don't see any cron jobs resetting the perms, but _something_ is doing it |
| 13:35.24 | tuliox | SF_Leon thats our job ;) |
| 13:35.31 | setuid | Also, how do I stop Debian from rebuilding my sendmail config at every boot? Its breaking my custom config. |
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| 13:37.25 | stew | setuid: why do the files need to be owned by www-data? |
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| 13:37.35 | stew | setuid: have you checked /usr/share/doc/mailman? |
| 13:37.48 | mbuf | has anyone run ooffice on console with framebuffer? maybe, with xvfb-run on Debian Etch? framebuffer works for me, but, not office -headless -nologo -norestore |
| 13:38.14 | setuid | stew: Because without www-data being able to read the data, list messages can't be displayed on the web; not very useful for threaded archives if I can't present them on the web |
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| 13:38.17 | humbolto | stew: great, got that! so now, is there a way to make my firewire eth0 to be eth2 without the need to reboot the system? |
| 13:38.18 | mbuf | following some steps from here, http://www.dokeos.com/wiki/index.php/MakeOOOListening |
| 13:38.34 | stew | setuid: www-data doesn't need to own the files in order to read them |
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| 13:39.29 | stew | humbolto: if you don't already have an eth2: ip link set name eth2 dev eth0 ; if you already have an eth2, you'll have to rename eth2 to something else first |
| 13:39.31 | setuid | stew, I've tried every permutation, and it refuses to allow it. I run 'check_perms -f' as root, it claims to find and fix all the problems, but what it really does it make it so they can't be read via the web. It breaks perms, not fixes them. |
| 13:40.15 | humbolto | stew: super, thanks! |
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| 13:41.04 | setuid | Looks like the /etc/mailman/apache.conf referenced in the docs is QUITE old, and out of date (i.e. does not work with current Mailman versions) |
| 13:41.15 | setuid | It references files and structures that have been replaced many versions ago |
| 13:41.21 | stew | setuid: then file bugs |
| 13:41.41 | humbolto | stew: the ip command does not seem to be recognized. which package to install to get it? |
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| 13:41.55 | stew | setuid: what are the permissions on the files after running check_perms? |
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| 13:42.10 | stew | humbolto: iproute (/msg dpkg search ; /msg dpkg apt-file) |
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| 13:43.48 | setuid | Ok, I fixed it... they have a 1-liner that needs to go into the global apache config.. which I didn't have. I wonder why that wasn't part of the default install. Oh well. |
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| 13:43.58 | Bonboise | hiya |
| 13:44.01 | stew | setuid: file a bug: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 13:44.12 | Bonboise | we are getting constant bombing by brute attacker |
| 13:44.14 | stew | setuid: perhaps it wasn't included becuase nobody has yet filed a bug about it |
| 13:44.33 | Bonboise | is there a way to prevent all access to ssh if we aren't using it? |
| 13:44.42 | stew | Bonboise: uninstall it? |
| 13:44.50 | Bonboise | we need it |
| 13:45.01 | setuid | Very possible, I've got a list of 53 issues I've found with Debian Stable on AMD64 since I installed it (things like these, the sendmail issue, an issue with Xen kernels breaking cpufreq, etc.) |
| 13:45.03 | stew | Bonboise: then what do you mean? |
| 13:45.15 | setuid | Bonboise, Firewall rules. |
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| 13:45.38 | stew | Bonboise: why do you need ssh if you aren't using it? |
| 13:45.55 | Bonboise | we are using it? but it could be accessible only when we use it |
| 13:46.00 | Maerz | the Default resume partition value in the kernel config, does that hhave to be a different swap then the one my system is using ? |
| 13:46.05 | flixil | Bonboise: then stop it |
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| 13:46.16 | Bonboise | how can it be restarted when we need it? |
| 13:46.24 | stew | Bonboise: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
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| 13:46.44 | setuid | crap, its a good thing you brought that up.. I have a short firewall script that limits ssh usage, but it was on the backup server I just decommissioned, and was about to format and reinstall... I missed one critical directory in my backup. Good catch, Bonboise |
| 13:46.48 | Bonboise | stew: but shouldn't the ssh be unaccessible if it's shut down? |
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| 13:46.51 | flixil | can "ati" driver be the same one than "radeon" driver? |
| 13:46.56 | stew | Bonboise: yes, it would be |
| 13:46.57 | Pryon | consider hiring a system administrator |
| 13:47.00 | setuid | Bonboise, Why not just set up authentication properly |
| 13:47.09 | setuid | Pryon++ :) |
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| 13:47.25 | stew | flixil: not exactly, but the ati driver automatically loads the radeon driver when it detects that you have a radeon |
| 13:47.30 | Bonboise | well we could use allowuser auth |
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| 13:47.44 | Bonboise | Pryon: that would be the shittiest answer |
| 13:47.44 | stew | Bonboise: you could also consider "fail2ban" which will firewall someone off for 10 mintutes if someone gets 3 failed attempts. or you could run ssh on a non-standard port |
| 13:47.58 | flixil | Well i don't see radeon on the list brought by dpkg-reconfigure... Anyway... So ati is just a wrapper? |
| 13:48.05 | stew | flixil: use ati |
| 13:48.06 | Pryon | Bonboise: have fun |
| 13:48.20 | stew | Pryon: please don't taunt him, keep it constructive |
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| 13:48.29 | Bonboise | Pryon: it's called learning |
| 13:48.35 | stew | Bonboise: ignore him and move on |
| 13:48.53 | Bonboise | stew: that fail2ban sounds intresting, I gotta find all information on that |
| 13:49.10 | stew | Bonboise: apt-cache show fail2ban |
| 13:49.19 | Bonboise | yup |
| 13:49.28 | edistar | Bonboise: I was told fail2ban isn't so good ;) as its a bit of hacking around.. |
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| 13:49.36 | FJ_Sanchez | Hi |
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| 13:49.48 | stew | edistar: it works well, and is easily configurable and extensible to other services |
| 13:49.48 | Bonboise | edistar? |
| 13:49.58 | stew | and its author is a nice guy :) |
| 13:50.23 | edistar | ok, I was told not to use it 4 hours ago, but I don't know of course ;) |
| 13:50.36 | FJ_Sanchez | Can someone help me? I have manually restore a mysql DB, but I overwrited all files (including mysql database) so I get this message error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
| 13:50.40 | bintut | how do you apply this command to your /etc/network/interfaces ? ==> iwconfig ath0 rate 54M |
| 13:50.47 | Ronin | edistar: who said that and why? hacking around isnt very specific |
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| 13:50.58 | FJ_Sanchez | I need to cahgne password for this user and sed password any place in the config... |
| 13:51.00 | FJ_Sanchez | But I don't know |
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| 13:51.04 | stew | edistar: what did they say to use instead? |
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| 13:51.37 | cydork | bintut: check /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
| 13:51.58 | stew | bintut: man 7 wireless ; man 5 interfaces |
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| 13:52.04 | bintut | cydork: it's not there |
| 13:52.13 | cydork | bintut: it should be something like wireless-rate 54M |
| 13:52.17 | s0m3nak3dguy | when i boot into a debian live cd i get a Buffer I/O read error. How can i fix this? |
| 13:52.26 | stew | s0m3nak3dguy: which livecd? |
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| 13:52.56 | bintut | cydork: i'll try it. |
| 13:53.05 | cydork | bintut: yes it is. it says wireless-<fuction> :) |
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| 13:53.34 | s0m3nak3dguy | ubuntu is what i would like to install, but i've tried others with the same result |
| 13:53.44 | stew | s0m3nak3dguy: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 13:54.07 | zoran | is it hard to install debian on Mac and dual core procesor |
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| 13:54.23 | FJ_Sanchez | Ok, I think I've it |
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| 13:54.36 | FJ_Sanchez | Only I forget to restore also /etc/mysql/debian.conf |
| 13:54.42 | FJ_Sanchez | ^^ |
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| 13:57.57 | Bonboise | ok, it's time try port change + fail2ban i think |
| 13:58.14 | bintut | cydork and stew: thanks.. |
| 13:58.17 | bintut | gtg now.. |
| 13:58.40 | Ronin | Bonboise: heh, i just ignore all that background random ssh attempts, you get used to it after a while |
| 13:58.56 | Bonboise | haha |
| 13:59.07 | Bonboise | count it as basic transparency |
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| 13:59.53 | liable | use keys and recent module to stop log noise |
| 14:00.30 | Ronin | cydork: :) |
| 14:00.32 | liable | indeed |
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| 14:01.27 | Bonboise | If I understood it correctly.. fail2ban just updates iptables everytime someone gets too brutely |
| 14:01.53 | cydork | Bonboise: yes.. there is denyhosts too. |
| 14:02.11 | cydork | which uses hosts.deny! |
| 14:02.16 | abrotman | Bonboise: fail2ban works fairly well for stopping ssh abusers |
| 14:02.21 | stew | Bonboise: in the default config, it updates iptables on the third failure (which is configurable), and keeps them there for 10 minutes |
| 14:02.30 | Bonboise | ok |
| 14:02.47 | abrotman | Bonboise: or you can have a single iptables line just for ssh that does the same thing |
| 14:02.56 | Bonboise | lets see what kind of a configs we need to make in it |
| 14:03.18 | stew | Bonboise: unless you want to change the 3 failures or the 10 minutes, you shouldn't need to configure anything |
| 14:03.27 | stew | unless you want to have it protect other services as well |
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| 14:05.17 | setuid | There's also some iptables rules you can set that will repeatedly increase the timeout between attempts, or drop packets after 3 failures for 6 hours or whatever. |
| 14:05.23 | abrotman | though you might find it amusing to look at the logs and wonder why they can't login with a username 'fluffy' |
| 14:05.52 | liable | wooly will get you into my server |
| 14:06.03 | abrotman | baaah |
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| 14:06.16 | liable | :P |
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| 14:07.04 | liable | abrotman: stop talking dirty to me |
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| 14:07.39 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:07.40 | flixil | mmm... dirty... you awaked me xD |
| 14:07.56 | illo | abrotman liable is right, let's see some action instead. |
| 14:08.06 | flixil | Some pple have the irc blink when they read they own name xD |
| 14:08.14 | asg | abrotman: show him the umbrella hat |
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| 14:08.28 | abrotman | asg: you don't think cakebutt would work betteR? |
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| 14:08.48 | asg | abrotman: you've got to tease them first |
| 14:09.15 | liable | i've seen both, and quite frankly, doesnt do it for me! |
| 14:09.27 | abrotman | now .. if we put the umbrella hat on the sheep ... |
| 14:09.53 | liable | dont forget boots |
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| 14:10.33 | asg | abrotman: just streak the next bball game and we'll watch it on TV |
| 14:10.33 | abrotman | ever seen "Top Secret!" .. where the cow has boots ... |
| 14:10.37 | asg | abrotman: of course, one of the best movies ever made |
| 14:10.38 | liable | hah, hehe, yeah, i remember that movie |
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| 14:11.18 | illo | abrotman i have seed debian live booting with COW, it's the same i guess |
| 14:11.24 | abrotman | "Sir, you dropped your funny dog poo ... What funny dog poo?" |
| 14:11.26 | illo | seen even |
| 14:11.31 | EdwardElric | did ravenbird PM anyone else onjoin? |
| 14:11.32 | rogue- | Hello. I need a command line tool to show battery-related information on my laptop. Any recommends? |
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| 14:11.38 | rogue- | ncurses-based is good too |
| 14:11.45 | abrotman | EdwardElric: ravenbird is a channel bot |
| 14:11.51 | EdwardElric | oh |
| 14:11.53 | abrotman | EdwardElric: msg you with what ? |
| 14:11.57 | liable | EdwardElric: hrm, i had it do that the other day actually |
| 14:12.02 | EdwardElric | it flooded me with like 5 lines |
| 14:12.08 | abrotman | anything useful ? |
| 14:12.09 | asg | abrotman: s/funny/fake/ |
| 14:12.11 | EdwardElric | [06/27 10:04] ‹ ravenbird › unfortunately, chanServCheck is disabled in my configuration |
| 14:12.12 | dromer | hi all, I'm having trouble getting my pcmcia-card (xircom) to work on my (ancient) laptop. I have a 2.6.3-8-386 kernel |
| 14:12.14 | EdwardElric | +7 more |
| 14:12.16 | EdwardElric | eheh |
| 14:12.29 | liable | EdwardElric: thats what i got too |
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| 14:12.35 | asg | simonrvn: apprently, ravenbird is acting funny |
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| 14:12.39 | abrotman | simonrvn: ravenbird ? |
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| 14:12.49 | abrotman | asg: the bot is canadian! |
| 14:12.51 | andreou | anyone knows how to either 1) boot an old-world g3 powerbook (wallstreet 2/PDQ), or 2) install on a disk from an already existing debian installation? |
| 14:12.53 | illo | rogue I'd have a script checking for the relevant info on /proc or wherever it's kept |
| 14:12.55 | andreou | for 2), i can't think a way to install the bootloader |
| 14:13.00 | asg | abrotman: no excuse |
| 14:13.01 | EdwardElric | everyone /hop all at once now ;) |
| 14:13.03 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 14:13.03 | dpkg | somebody said ppc was is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
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| 14:13.10 | cydork | who's owns ravenbird then? |
| 14:13.14 | abrotman | simonrvn: does |
| 14:13.17 | asg | cydork: simonrvn |
| 14:13.19 | EdwardElric | lets see if it can flood off |
| 14:13.20 | EdwardElric | heh |
| 14:13.31 | andreou | (debianppc is dormant right now) |
| 14:14.04 | cydork | bahh nevermind!! |
| 14:14.26 | abrotman | andreou: try the one on irc.oftc.net |
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| 14:14.44 | klim_ | any ideas why iam keep getting segmmemtation fault when i run "apt-spy -d stable -a North-America" ? |
| 14:14.46 | andreou | abrotman thanks i'll try |
| 14:14.58 | rogue- | !laptop |
| 14:14.59 | dpkg | hmm... laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
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| 14:15.33 | asg | klim_: strace -o trace.file 'apt-spy ...' (look near the end for the culprit or paste the lot in a pastebin) |
| 14:15.34 | illo | andreou don't use yaboot on oldworld. there was another bootloader on top of macos, bootx iirc |
| 14:15.37 | rogue- | is there a utility showing the indian-ess of the current machine? |
| 14:15.49 | andreou | illo i know, but i don't want to dual-boot |
| 14:15.51 | foomonkey | I have an external USB drive. when I plug it up, I see an icon on my desktop labeled 'External2'. However, I can't access it. how can I mount it so that I can access it? |
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| 14:16.21 | mahtavamatt88 | i'm looking to get the "extra" keys on my Logitec G11 working under debian, can anyyone help? |
| 14:16.38 | branstrom | Does Debian come with mktemp installed? |
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| 14:17.05 | rogue- | branstrom: I have mktemp on my machine. |
| 14:17.19 | klim_ | asg: what's the pkg for strace? |
| 14:17.25 | asg | klim_: strace |
| 14:17.33 | asg | branstrom: it's in the mktemp package on etch |
| 14:17.56 | branstrom | Hmm, http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/36832ad2f20f59df/18f7906804b00496?lnk=raot |
| 14:17.59 | asg | branstrom: it's also a required package so you should have it |
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| 14:18.19 | branstrom | I haven't removed it (knowingly) since I installed Debian |
| 14:18.23 | klim_ | asg: apt-get install strace - no such pkg |
| 14:18.45 | asg | klim_: what debian version are you using? |
| 14:18.48 | branstrom | I got the same error as in that Google Group |
| 14:18.49 | asg | !info strace etch |
| 14:18.50 | klim_ | deb4 |
| 14:18.55 | dpkg | strace: (A system call tracer), section utils, is standard. Version: 4.5.14-2 (etch), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 248 kB |
| 14:18.57 | asg | branstrom: check the bts |
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| 14:19.21 | branstrom | It's solved now, I installed mktemp, but apparently it should have been there already? |
| 14:19.27 | branstrom | bts? |
| 14:19.31 | asg | !bts |
| 14:19.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 14:19.53 | asg | branstrom: if you are using testing or unstable, bugs like that will creep in and be identified in the bts |
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| 14:20.13 | asg | klim_: apt-cache policy strace |
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| 14:21.10 | klim_ | asg: it returned none |
| 14:21.42 | klim_ | asg: you got a source list with strace? |
| 14:21.44 | branstrom | I was using testing for one package but it wouldn't install because of dependencies, so I backported it with aptitude-build-dep (a script) and then installed it. That was from testing and that's the only thing I've gotten from testing |
| 14:23.14 | dromer | can someone help me setup my pcmcia gard? I've tried modprobing xirc2ps_cs |
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| 14:24.31 | littleball | hello, how to confirm the networking quality between two computer? |
| 14:24.35 | klim_ | asg: my bad, when i did apt-spy it cleared away my source.list entry. |
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| 14:26.26 | asg | klim_: ah, okay. |
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| 14:26.39 | asg | littleball: scp some data between them |
| 14:28.41 | klim_ | asg: i got strace out, what ami look for? |
| 14:29.10 | liable | changing kernel for a driver is exactly the reason to do so :) |
| 14:29.16 | liable | doh |
| 14:29.17 | asg | klim_: the lines before the SEGV (at the bottom). |
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| 14:29.59 | asg | klim_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418548 (looks like a known issue) |
| 14:30.32 | klim_ | asg: gettimeofday({1182954428, 994128}, NULL) = 0 |
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| 14:31.10 | asg | klim_: paste the output in a pastebin if you would |
| 14:31.48 | klim_ | asg: pastebin? how |
| 14:32.16 | asg | klim_: /msg dpkg paster |
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| 14:34.03 | klim_ | asg: is there a fix for the this bug? |
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| 14:34.14 | mkl1525 | Hi, with "screen -x" somebody can attach to my screen session and see what I'm typing and type to the same terminal. is there an option that doesn't allow any input from the guest? |
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| 14:35.11 | asg | klim_: there may be a fix listed in the BTS but it will not be applied to etch (at least until r1 if it gets in at all) |
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| 14:35.29 | liable | yes, a big stick, everytime they go to touch the keyboard, whack them with it |
| 14:35.46 | klim_ | ok |
| 14:36.16 | asg | mkl1525: look at the 'acl*' config options in the manpage |
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| 14:38.04 | mkl1525 | asg, thanks! seems to be what I want |
| 14:38.08 | asg | mkl1525: you're welcome |
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| 14:38.59 | F11F12 | hi, I have an old machine running a 2.4 kernel, can I switch to a newer kernel using apt-get? |
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| 14:39.18 | asg | F11F12: what debian version is it running? |
| 14:39.19 | F11F12 | what would I apt-get |
| 14:39.28 | F11F12 | woody |
| 14:39.49 | asg | F11F12: /msg dpkg woody 2.6 |
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| 14:40.02 | asg | F11F12: you really should upgrade to sarge (at least) or etch for security support. |
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| 14:40.53 | stew | heh, what does that get him? an unsupported 2.6.6? |
| 14:40.55 | F11F12 | asg: can I just move to sarge or etch by upgrade or is a new install required? |
| 14:41.14 | stew | F11F12: /msg dpkg woody->sarge ; /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 14:41.41 | nse | fast, fast, fast |
| 14:42.33 | F11F12 | I never did an upgrade, so how do I do? |
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| 14:42.48 | stew | !tell F11F12 about woody->sarge |
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| 14:45.35 | F11F12 | stew: I can't install aptitude because of unmet dependencies (libc6) but that won't install on a 2.4 kernel :-( |
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| 14:46.27 | asg | !bobbitt |
| 14:46.27 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system. |
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| 14:46.53 | TheMonkey | hi |
| 14:46.54 | stew | F11F12: show us the output of " apt-cache policy libc6 aptitude " ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:47.11 | flami | hey evil money |
| 14:47.15 | flami | monkey |
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| 14:47.43 | TheMonkey | is suid support disabled on debian etch by default? |
| 14:47.58 | stew | TheMonkey: what do you mean exactly? |
| 14:47.58 | asg | TheMonkey: no |
| 14:48.01 | TheMonkey | i am trying to give a shell script extended privs, but it doesnt wanna work |
| 14:48.02 | F11F12 | libc6: |
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| 14:48.04 | asg | gah |
| 14:48.22 | asg | TheMonkey: oh, shell scripts are iirc (at least bash ones) |
| 14:48.23 | stew | that's not woody |
| 14:48.44 | TheMonkey | asg, its a ruby script to be specific |
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| 14:48.53 | TheMonkey | so what can i do about this? |
| 14:48.59 | stew | !tell F11F12 about paste |
| 14:49.12 | asg | TheMonkey: use sudo |
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| 14:49.36 | stew | F11F12: you aren't running woody, you are running lenny. /msg dpkg upgrade kernel |
| 14:49.38 | szymon_g | hello |
| 14:49.55 | TheMonkey | asg, the point would be not to use sudo :) this script would allow changing file permissions inside a users homedir only, and to restart apache |
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| 14:49.58 | CalJohn | szymon_g: hello. |
| 14:50.10 | dromer | ok, so now I installed pcmcia-cs to the chrooted disk, and on the laptop it seems to hang on setting up the card. it just stays at eth0: Xircom: port 0x300, irq, hwaddr 00:10:A4:8D:D7:2D |
| 14:50.12 | F11F12 | stew: http://rafb.net/p/mgU9Xo44.html |
| 14:50.34 | dromer | after a couple mins I get INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel |
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| 14:50.50 | stew | F11F12: actually i lied, you are running an out of date etch; you should upgrade fully to etch: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 14:50.53 | chops | TheMonkey: Use a perl script and install suidperl :-) |
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| 14:51.04 | Garda | <ravenbird> unfortunately, chanServCheck is disabled in my configuration |
| 14:51.05 | dromer | at least it's showing the right card |
| 14:51.06 | Garda | wtf? |
| 14:51.11 | asg | TheMonkey: well 1) sudo would be used to run the script for users or groups with root privs (needed to alter perms for arbitrary users) 2) the *script* needs to do the security checking of which user is running it and act accordingly. |
| 14:51.16 | Garda | why did i get that spam as i logged in? |
| 14:51.17 | stew | F11F12: the release notes will guide you through upgrading to etch and will include installing a 2.6 kernel |
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| 14:51.29 | Ronin | Garda: its a bot who's having a bad day, just ignore it |
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| 14:51.49 | TheMonkey | asg, but for that the user would have to be part of the sudoers, right? |
| 14:52.07 | Garda | thanks stew |
| 14:52.10 | asg | TheMonkey: you can configure a group to be able to run the one script and just add necessary users to that group. Voila |
| 14:52.13 | stew | simonrvn: talk to me about ravenbird |
| 14:52.25 | asg | TheMonkey: in sudoers, of course |
| 14:52.28 | TheMonkey | asg, ah thanks, that might do |
| 14:52.48 | asg | TheMonkey: it's universally preferred over suid/sgid since sudo provides free log auditing |
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| 14:53.33 | TheMonkey | asg, thanks for the help, i'll try that |
| 14:53.38 | asg | TheMonkey: cool, you're welcome |
| 14:53.40 | dromer | so, my sarge laptop isn't setting up pcmcia services ok. what could I do/check about this? |
| 14:53.53 | andreou | any idea how to install the quik bootloader on a disk from a x86? |
| 14:54.13 | sandman_ | Is there an easy-to-use firewall that prompts a desktop user when an application is trying to access the user, asking whether or not I want to allow it, etc? |
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| 14:55.26 | asg | sandman_: SELinux provides capabilities to do similar things. It isn't, by definition, easy-to-use, nor a firewall. |
| 14:55.38 | dan1 | hello everyone, i'm benchmarking read/write speed of a usb disk, but results are about 100x too high. any suggestions/explanations? |
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| 14:56.29 | chops | dan1: Reads and writes being cached maybe? What does hdparm say? |
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| 14:57.47 | dan1 | that looks realistic, but using iozone to do some more test i get read speeds of about 1gig/sec, that's what it's reporting anyway. i |
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| 14:57.52 | chops | dan1: Is that 100x too high? That looks about right to me. |
| 14:57.58 | F11F12 | stew: does this look like a valid sources.list? http://rafb.net/p/wWZKBT29.html |
| 14:58.02 | dan1 | i have use option to turn off caching in iozone |
| 14:58.17 | chops | dan1: I'd say you've identified a problem with iozone then... |
| 14:58.24 | chops | dan1: It |
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| 14:58.38 | chops | 's possible that the way iozone is trying to disable caching doesn't work on USB disks or something, I guess |
| 14:58.41 | stew | F11F12: yes, i'd recommend using "etch" instead of "stable" so that you don't get into the type of situation you are in now once "lenny" becomes the new "stable" |
| 14:58.52 | dan1 | chops: good point |
| 14:59.01 | Timbo | debian packaging: is there a comment character that works in control, compat and dirs? |
| 14:59.07 | F11F12 | stew: thanks, I'll change that |
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| 14:59.30 | dan1 | i see a lot of people reporting that iozone is good, but these results are clearly not accurate for whatever reason |
| 14:59.39 | Timbo | my employer's stupid precommit filter won't let me commit things without an $Id$ present :| |
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| 15:02.04 | dan1 | does anyone know of another benchmarking program to recommend? i also want to test smb share read/write speed |
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| 15:03.11 | ladyy | hi all |
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| 15:03.31 | elmargol | Hi where can I find the debian upload queue? |
| 15:03.34 | TheMonkey | asg: would adding "theusr = (root) /home/theusr/userspecial.rb" to an empty etc/sudoers file do the trick? |
| 15:03.37 | Mattias | where can i get the Tahoma font from? seems its not in the msttcorefont package |
| 15:04.07 | liable | elmargol: incoming? |
| 15:04.12 | liable | http://incoming.debian.org/ |
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| 15:04.29 | elmargol | big thx |
| 15:04.37 | roro6 | /j #mr-debian |
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| 15:04.57 | liable | now you have me interested |
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| 15:05.19 | dan1 | with hdparm i can measure read speed, but not write speed, any way to measure write speed of disk?? |
| 15:05.25 | liable | i wonder if that was a bit of spam or a hopeless user.. |
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| 15:05.52 | stew | dan1: you could try bonnie++ |
| 15:05.57 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 15:06.54 | dan1 | i have tried bonnie++, but it says you need to write file 2 times larger than ram, and even when i do that, it crashes, saying disk maybe full, but it aint :( |
| 15:08.24 | dan1 | the only decent results i have got so far came from doing: time cp somefile /src /dest |
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| 15:08.40 | dan1 | but i'm not sure that is a good way, caching for one |
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| 15:10.40 | stew | dan1: if bonnie++ is crashing, it could be a sign that you have a hardware problem |
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| 15:13.14 | TTT | hi, where are the weekly news? The latest issue is april 24, this is >1 month old... |
| 15:13.34 | azeem | TTT: they're not weekly anymore |
| 15:13.52 | dan1 | stew: i will see what it says on another machine, thanks |
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| 15:14.13 | TTT | azeem: not weekly as in "however often we post them" ? |
| 15:14.31 | TTT | or monthly/etc. i.e. regular intervals? |
| 15:14.53 | azeem | the former |
| 15:15.08 | Fox_1_ | people I have bougth new dvd writer. now how can I install it under debian |
| 15:15.10 | Fox_1_ | ? |
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| 15:15.34 | Exy | Just plug it in |
| 15:15.46 | liable | Fox_1_: plug in, burn, be happy |
| 15:16.02 | Fox_1_ | but in /dev/ I don't see the device |
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| 15:16.48 | liable | oops, i forgot, step 4: watch pr0n, be happy. |
| 15:16.48 | liable | Fox_1_: whats dmesg say? |
| 15:17.02 | stew | TTT: you might want to check times.debian.net which gets more frequent updates, and will include DWN when it is published |
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| 15:17.49 | TTT | stew, thanks, i will |
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| 15:18.54 | elmargol | panthera: Am I allowed do query you for a moment? |
| 15:19.03 | Fox_1_ | liable: how can I send you full dmesg output? |
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| 15:19.42 | liable | Fox_1_: put it on a pastebin |
| 15:19.58 | chuckkh | hi, trying to install from 4.0 CDs; can anyone tell me what packages to install to make "make oldconfig" run correctly? |
| 15:20.25 | liable | chuckkh: you want build-essential package |
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| 15:20.59 | chuckkh | liable: thanks! |
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| 15:22.03 | Fox_1_ | look here http://rafb.net/p/LIae4M72.html |
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| 15:26.25 | jello | Can someone help me configure KDM to answer to XDMCP requests? |
| 15:26.29 | jello | I think I did it properly, but I can't see anything listening on UDP 177... |
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| 15:26.41 | Fox_1_ | liable: any ideas? |
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| 15:29.11 | liable | Fox_1_: havent seen that error before, so no :( |
| 15:29.23 | Fox_1_ | :) ok |
| 15:29.25 | Fox_1_ | thanks |
| 15:29.52 | Fox_1_ | can you write the error line? |
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| 15:30.35 | liable | hda_codec: num_steps = 0 for NID=0x17 |
| 15:31.25 | Fox_1_ | ok, thanks. |
| 15:31.42 | liable | i dunno if that even related to your drive though |
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| 15:33.50 | liable | Fox_1_: i think thats actually your sound driver barfing. whats the sound card from lspci? |
| 15:34.11 | liable | Fox_1_: you got another cable to try? |
| 15:34.14 | Fox_1_ | Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 15:34.30 | liable | ya, that error is prolly for sound |
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| 15:35.13 | Fox_1_ | but sound work properly |
| 15:35.42 | liable | s/error/warning/ |
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| 15:35.52 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 15:35.54 | bonez44 | I want to find a folder with /string12/ in the name .. but not sure where it's located...'locate string12' doesn't seem to find it.....suggestions? |
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| 15:36.06 | liable | Fox_1_: just ignore it. |
| 15:36.22 | Fox_1_ | what to ignore? |
| 15:37.06 | stew | bonez44: updatedb ; locate string12 ; or find /somedir -type d -name "*string12*" |
| 15:37.29 | asg | TheMonkey: the sudoers manpage has many examples (if nobody helped you earlier) |
| 15:37.56 | TheMonkey | asg, yea, i was reading that, i think i figured it out in the meantime :) |
| 15:38.40 | asg | TheMonkey: good good |
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| 15:39.47 | liable | Fox_1_: only thing i can think is to check cable.. |
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| 15:40.01 | Fox_1_ | it's work under windows |
| 15:40.08 | xlotlu | any way to run knockd on multiple interfaces? |
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| 15:40.19 | xerophyte | how can i remove ip address from a iptables ? for example my default policy is drop, i have allowed a ip address how can i remove that ip address from allow list ? |
| 15:40.20 | liable | Fox_1_: you have a couple of abnormal status messages which I am not sure if they are for your sata drives or not |
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| 15:41.36 | liable | i beleieve they are, unless your cd drive is a maxtor |
| 15:41.49 | Fox_1_ | cd drive? |
| 15:41.54 | Gathond | xerophyte: remove that rule using -D $CHAIN $rule_number, replace the 2 variables with whatever fits yor config |
| 15:42.01 | liable | dvd, whatever |
| 15:42.01 | Fox_1_ | no, as I know it's pioner |
| 15:43.28 | liable | Fox_1_: i don't know. sorry |
| 15:43.38 | Fox_1_ | ok, no problem, thanks |
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| 15:44.14 | alesan | hi I am installing debian on a NSLU2 |
| 15:45.00 | stew | xerophyte: if you added the the rule with 'iptables -A ...." or "iptables -I ....", just run the same command again with -D instead of -A or -I |
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| 15:45.57 | xerophyte | Gathond, stew hanks |
| 15:45.59 | xerophyte | thanks |
| 15:46.02 | xerophyte | how can i find out the rule number |
| 15:46.58 | asg | alesan: I'm ircing from one right now |
| 15:47.10 | alesan | asg, which partitioning did you make? |
| 15:47.20 | stew | xerophyte: by counting, which is why i prefer my method, you have less of a chance of removing the wrong rule |
| 15:47.30 | alesan | the standard partitioning creates a 7GB root, 100MB swap and the rest /home |
| 15:47.38 | asg | alesan: just a single '/' + swap. I'm doing testing before I commit to a different scheme. I'm only using a USB stick for storage. |
| 15:47.39 | alesan | I think 7GB is a little bit too much don't you thionk? |
| 15:47.51 | alesan | oh I have a 500GB hard disk |
| 15:48.09 | asg | alesan: yeah, the install manual has a number of suggested layouts depending on use. |
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| 15:48.37 | asg | alesan: for servers, I traditionally split / /usr /var /home and /tmp and leave the rest free in case I need it. |
| 15:48.39 | pngwn | do you still need to make sure that the swap is at least 128 megs on the NSLU2? |
| 15:48.45 | alesan | I will use it to archive pictures |
| 15:48.45 | asg | pngwn: yes |
| 15:49.01 | alesan | asg, the automatic partirion made 93MB of swap |
| 15:49.02 | asg | pngwn: at least for installing with the installer. Not needed for running |
| 15:49.10 | alesan | partition even |
| 15:49.24 | pngwn | asg, that got on the initial install ;) |
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| 15:49.38 | DarthEzekiel | hullo |
| 15:49.53 | asg | pngwn: I just installed on the stick from another system which was far faster. |
| 15:49.56 | ricky | Hi! |
| 15:49.56 | DarthEzekiel | i am perfecting a new operating system |
| 15:50.05 | alesan | asg, do you think I should abort the installation and start from the beginning? making sure it gets 128MB swap |
| 15:50.06 | liable | ohnoes |
| 15:50.25 | asg | alesan: I would. Are you following Martin's install guide? |
| 15:50.35 | DarthEzekiel | you install it simply by replacing your bios firmware with it, then when you boot it replaces the firmware in all your other hardware |
| 15:50.46 | alesan | http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/install.html <- this one |
| 15:51.03 | alesan | yes it seems it's martin's |
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| 15:51.26 | asg | alesan: yes, that the one. |
| 15:51.53 | asg | alesan: the bit about the RAM is the 4th item in the FAQ |
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| 15:52.42 | DarthEzekiel | the firmware for this operating system makes use of the gpu as the core processor and the cpu simply as a control chip |
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| 15:53.07 | asg | DarthEzekiel: and this has what to do with Debian in particular? |
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| 15:53.27 | yosef | Hi |
| 15:53.30 | ricky | Hi! |
| 15:53.31 | DarthEzekiel | in order for the gpu to be turing complete it simply generates nonbranching machine code in advance that it would eventually run into later anyways |
| 15:53.43 | yosef | I have question, what is the best id3tag editor? |
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| 15:53.48 | alesan | asg, I honestly can't find the FAQ. |
| 15:53.56 | DarthEzekiel | i have no idea what Debian even is |
| 15:54.00 | asg | alesan: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Debian/FAQ |
| 15:54.09 | ricky | DarthEzekiel: Then what are you doing in #debian? |
| 15:54.14 | DarthEzekiel | i kinda figured it was a linux distro |
| 15:54.22 | asg | DarthEzekiel: the operating system this channel supports. Please go elsewhere; maybe start #myniftyos or something |
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| 15:55.04 | alesan | asg, ok I found it 1 sec before you wrote it :( |
| 15:55.08 | asg | hehe |
| 15:55.44 | yangvnc | Do you define interface names in /etc/network/run/ifstate ? |
| 15:55.54 | asg | yangvnc: no, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:55.57 | asg | yangvnc: man 5 interfaces |
| 15:56.14 | yangvnc | asg: eth1 gets renamed as eth1_rename_ren ... |
| 15:56.44 | wndr | hey guys. I'm trying to setup mod_perl2 onto apache2. I apt-getted the packages, but i can't get my perl scripts working. do i need to do some custom configuration to get mod_perl2 to work? |
| 15:56.59 | asg | yangvnc: maybe check the nameif(8) manpage |
| 15:57.58 | yangvnc | asg: another problem is that i would like to define a different mac address for eth1 interface, by default it has the same as eth0 |
| 15:58.12 | ricky | wndr: Did you enable the module? |
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| 15:59.06 | wndr | yep, its enabled. (At least i believe its enabled. I infer that its enabled by the 404 page: the server signature includes mod_perl) |
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| 15:59.19 | yosef | I have question, what is the best id3tag editor? |
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| 16:00.10 | ricky | yosef: There is no single answer to that question- it's completely an opinion. |
| 16:00.24 | ricky | yosef: I suggest that you try some and see which is the best for your needs. |
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| 16:01.45 | Moncky | hey folks |
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| 16:02.15 | yosef | ricky: I try the easytag, it's changing the tags but when you check it on the rythmbox it will not appear, I don't know any another program |
| 16:02.40 | jetscreamer | enable marillat's sources and apt-cache search id3 |
| 16:02.48 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 16:02.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 16:02.53 | asg | yangvnc: you can change the mac using the 'hwaddress ether <addr>' option in interfaces(5) |
| 16:03.35 | yosef | ricky: thank you for the help |
| 16:03.36 | cahoot | unless it's udev |
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| 16:04.25 | ricky | wndr: Perhaps the docs at perl.apache.org have more info about the apache configuration side? |
| 16:04.48 | liable | when did iceweasal get the "search google" thing for highlighted text? its a very nice feature |
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| 16:05.24 | dkr | heh, I have had that for many years with a simple javascript bookmarklet |
| 16:05.26 | alesan | asg, when I will have finished this installation... will I be able to load all debian software packages? |
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| 16:05.31 | wndr | ricky: probably. i was just wondering if appending one or two lines to the conf files would do the trick or not. |
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| 16:05.47 | liable | dkr: smartypants |
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| 16:06.22 | asg | alesan: yes. I've run lighttpd, squid, planet, dns, dhcp, and other things on mine. |
| 16:06.33 | ricky | wndr: Maybe something like SetHandler perl-script or something? |
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| 16:06.54 | alesan | asg, have you ever heard of wview, a software to manage a weather station? |
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| 16:07.18 | sp3tt | Why are there NO references to last.fm in the rhythmbox preferences menu, when it is supposed to have native last.fm support? Does not make sense! |
| 16:07.31 | alesan | this software has a package for openslug which, if I understand correctly, is very different than debian |
| 16:07.31 | asg | alesan: not familiar with that one, no. I don't think it's packaged for debian though. |
| 16:07.39 | liable | sp3tt: time to go postal! |
| 16:07.43 | abrotman | sp3tt: i thought it got removed |
| 16:07.51 | abrotman | sp3tt: or you mean just the scrobbling part ? |
| 16:07.52 | asg | liable: time to go postal2 |
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| 16:07.56 | sp3tt | scrobbling part |
| 16:08.02 | abrotman | sp3tt: it's an extension/plugin |
| 16:08.09 | asg | abrotman: scrobbling sounds like something Dave2 would do |
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| 16:08.12 | abrotman | ew |
| 16:08.15 | wndr | ricky: yep, probably. going thru the documentation now. i'll let you know when I find out. |
| 16:08.21 | sp3tt | It's supposed to have native support, without any plugins, as of 0.9.2 and I have 0.9.6 |
| 16:08.23 | alesan | asg, ok, now a strange question. do you know if there are any tools to encode videos for the NSLU? I will explain what I plan to do :) |
| 16:08.46 | alesan | (btw, the formatting phase was ok with 93MB swap) |
| 16:08.52 | sp3tt | It's in the help file (F1) and it doesn't mention anything about a plugin... |
| 16:09.22 | liable | erm, didnt last.fm shut down?? |
| 16:09.24 | nic1 | hi |
| 16:10.13 | nic1 | this is the first day I use debian and IRC , I am happy !! |
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| 16:10.44 | edistar | nic1: congratulations ;) |
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| 16:11.59 | liable | ok, maybe I am imagining things again |
| 16:12.02 | nic1 | Yes thank's I have many things to learn but I want do it because I want use Open Source SO |
| 16:12.36 | asg | alesan: mencoder in the mplayer package should fit the bill (apt-cache show mencoder). Dunno how performant it will be on a slug but you never know. |
| 16:12.36 | cast | open source or free? |
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| 16:12.56 | nic1 | yes, free |
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| 16:13.46 | liable | moo? |
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| 16:13.55 | asg | libre, cuba libre |
| 16:14.31 | nic1 | Now I have to go, but happy meet you , and using debian !!!!:) |
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| 16:15.05 | Moncky | if rm removes a file what removes a directory? |
| 16:15.08 | asg | liable: the select and search google thing is in etch also. |
| 16:15.11 | asg | Moncky: rmdir |
| 16:15.21 | Moncky | dang i new that .. thanks |
| 16:15.50 | asg | Moncky: if the directory has files in it though, rmdir won't work. Then you need to *very carefully* use rm -r /dir. |
| 16:15.53 | jetscreamer | but rmdir only works if it's empty iirc.... you can use rm -R on a populated dir |
| 16:15.53 | nic1 | by... |
| 16:15.55 | liable | asg: i must be a bit slow, as usual, I only just noticed it and havent had a weasel update for some time |
| 16:15.59 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 16:16.27 | asg | liable: I didn't even know it existed, shows you what I know :) Thanks for inadvertantly tipping me off to a rather nifty feature. |
| 16:16.34 | liable | rum, the evil drink of queenslanders |
| 16:16.39 | Maerz | how do i create a compressed kernel image (gotta put that in boot) |
| 16:16.48 | yang | asg: I still don't know how to rename eth1_rename_ren after bootup to eth1 ? |
| 16:17.29 | asg | yang: I've never seen an interface come up with 'eth1_rename_ren' by default. Did you install something to make it do this? |
| 16:17.30 | liable | asg: glad its not just me ;) |
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| 16:17.53 | Miles_Prower | Debian will shortly be installed on a laptop that has been in space. |
| 16:18.03 | yang | asg: its a sparc |
| 16:18.09 | Moncky | yeah cheers asg it was a dummy dir that i had set up for practice |
| 16:18.11 | asg | ricky: the nasty typo 'rm -rf / tmp/crap' is what first causes pain to most people. |
| 16:18.11 | hark | liable: hmm what's the feature you've found? |
| 16:18.20 | Miles_Prower | An IBM 760XD that flew on the shuttle, and was used on the ISS for several months. |
| 16:18.21 | rahul | the search box on the side of the address bar? |
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| 16:18.47 | liable | hark: highlight text, right click and theres a 'search google' option? |
| 16:18.55 | rahul | Miles_Prower: so that's why the computers crashed. they were trying to install debian on them |
| 16:19.00 | rahul | oh |
| 16:19.05 | asg | yang: never seen that on a sparc either. I do know that sparcs often come up with eth0 and eth1 inverted from what's printed on the back. |
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| 16:19.11 | dorao | is there a way to extract a specfic dir within a tar? |
| 16:19.12 | dorao | using tar |
| 16:19.14 | rahul | liable: that's been there for years :P |
| 16:19.23 | hark | yeah :) |
| 16:19.26 | rahul | dorao: yes... include something |
| 16:19.29 | liable | rahul: like I said, I am a bit slow ;P |
| 16:19.36 | rahul | dorao: it's in the man page... |
| 16:19.39 | maxamillion | anyone know why fluxbox would make my keyboard no longer allow for autorepeat of keys? (gdm allows it, but once i am in fluxbox it will not) |
| 16:19.44 | yang | asg: its some hack with happy meal driver, it sees both interfaces with the same MAC address |
| 16:19.51 | liable | has it really been there for years? |
| 16:19.55 | rahul | erm no |
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| 16:20.08 | rahul | dorao: the "pathname" in the args is the path of the files you want |
| 16:20.23 | asg | yang: ewww. Never seen that. Maybe #debian-sparc here or on irc.oftc.net has some idea. |
| 16:20.33 | rahul | "The final arguments to tar are the names of the files or directories which should be archived. The use of a directory name always implies that the subdirectories below should be included in the archive." |
| 16:20.34 | dorao | rahul hmmm I'll give it a shot |
| 16:20.40 | rahul | that applies to extracting, too, iirc |
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| 16:21.26 | hark | liable: yes, and very useful too |
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| 16:21.28 | dorao | I thought it was just where it started to extract files |
| 16:21.28 | liable | i cant believe I have never seen it before.. |
| 16:21.35 | hark | liable: though now even epiphany, konqy etc all have it |
| 16:21.35 | asg | Miles_Prower: what os was it running in space? |
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| 16:22.13 | Miles_Prower | No clue, it was auctioned off in 2000, the computer shop I work at got it w/blank drive.. loaded DOS6.22, it's now back in the shop for repair. |
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| 16:22.44 | liable | now i feel emasculated.. |
| 16:22.52 | asg | !fix liable |
| 16:22.54 | Miles_Prower | We're upgrading him from it's 166Pentium to a 650mhz PIII Dell. |
| 16:23.13 | ricky | Heh. |
| 16:23.21 | Miles_Prower | Dualboot w/win2k |
| 16:23.30 | Miles_Prower | he wants 'to get the internet eventually' |
| 16:23.35 | Miles_Prower | but prefers dos. |
| 16:23.35 | dorao | it is thinking really hard... |
| 16:23.51 | asg | Miles_Prower: why not have him run Debian with a DOS emulator? |
| 16:24.10 | Miles_Prower | He's way too old. |
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| 16:24.31 | cast | nah, itll keep his mind healthy :) |
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| 16:25.14 | Miles_Prower | Still, this will become my backup laptop, replacing the 100mhz am5x86 w/8mb ram. |
| 16:25.32 | Miles_Prower | 166mhz Pentium MMX w/48mb ram |
| 16:25.41 | FJ_Sanchez | how can I extract files fron gz file without displaying it in console? |
| 16:25.50 | FJ_Sanchez | I don't want this verbose |
| 16:25.57 | ricky | gzip -d file.gz? |
| 16:26.04 | FJ_Sanchez | Ops, sorry |
| 16:26.05 | Miles_Prower | redirect stdout.. |
| 16:26.07 | FJ_Sanchez | x'DDDD |
| 16:26.09 | ricky | FJ_Sanchez: In general, take away the v or verbose option? |
| 16:26.13 | Miles_Prower | XD |
| 16:26.24 | FJ_Sanchez | That is the use... tar xvf |
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| 16:26.30 | FJ_Sanchez | I forget that v |
| 16:26.32 | ricky | tar -xf, if that's what you were really looking for. |
| 16:26.33 | FJ_Sanchez | LoL |
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| 16:26.40 | cast | man tar is nice hey |
| 16:26.46 | FJ_Sanchez | Forget my question |
| 16:27.25 | dorao | hmm.... still not seeing anything |
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| 16:30.14 | reiser2 | i am using unrar-free |
| 16:30.25 | smhar | what are my options to get gnome 2.18 in working in debian testing? |
| 16:30.31 | reiser2 | but it tell me Failed |
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| 16:30.48 | speeves | cast: check this out: (cd /src; tar -cvf - foo) | (ssh other.machine ‘cd /dst; tar -xf -’) |
| 16:31.26 | speeves | using tar to transfer filesystems is cool :) |
| 16:32.02 | cast | :) |
| 16:32.12 | Miles_Prower | one of my friends has a cron job on the partition for /home/, that dd-tar's it to another system. |
| 16:32.14 | xand | do it over netcat if it's on a secure network |
| 16:32.16 | xand | it's faster |
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| 16:32.31 | cast | or nbd |
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| 16:33.11 | Miles_Prower | was it tar or bzip he used.. |
| 16:33.16 | Miles_Prower | I think bzip actually. |
| 16:33.24 | magicsmoke | does anyone know of an application that will allow me to fill out a pdf form and print it ( either windows or linux ) and preferably available for free |
| 16:33.25 | Southern | Hi |
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| 16:33.59 | cast | speeves: if you put pv or cstream -T0 in there you'll get a mb/s rating for how fast data is getting moved :) |
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| 16:34.26 | cast | -T1 rather |
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| 16:36.39 | cast | magicsmoke: could convert it to a bitmap, then superimpose what you want filled in over the top, if you plan on filling out a million copies of the same form that is, anyway |
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| 16:37.10 | magicsmoke | only need to fill out a copy |
| 16:37.14 | reiser2 | i am using unrar-free |
| 16:37.26 | reiser2 | but it tell me Failed when try to uncompress |
| 16:37.40 | magicsmoke | check the crc and or md5 reiser2 |
| 16:37.55 | DarthEzekiel | what is debian best at? |
| 16:37.55 | reiser2 | crc ? |
| 16:37.56 | stew | reiser2: then perhaps you need to use the nonfree version |
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| 16:38.09 | magicsmoke | cyclic redundancy check |
| 16:38.11 | asg | DarthEzekiel: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 16:38.24 | magicsmoke | acts as a checksum on an rar file |
| 16:38.31 | DarthEzekiel | i want to hear from you guys |
| 16:38.57 | asg | DarthEzekiel: I use it for everything from Desktops to servers to embedded systems |
| 16:38.58 | magicsmoke | cast any ideas for a copy |
| 16:39.04 | DarthEzekiel | i dont want to hear a marketting scheme |
| 16:39.11 | reiser2 | how can i install nonfree unrar? |
| 16:39.28 | stew | DarthEzekiel: /msg dpkg sc ; /msg dpkg dfsg ; /msg dpkg why debian |
| 16:39.30 | DarthEzekiel | what do you use debian for most? |
| 16:39.42 | stew | DarthEzekiel: please don't poll in here, there are too many people |
| 16:39.50 | DarthEzekiel | i am not polling |
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| 16:40.07 | DarthEzekiel | i am asking those who are talking immediately preceding my question |
| 16:40.36 | magicsmoke | resier2 rar is shareware |
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| 16:41.11 | magicsmoke | Darth linux is six in one half a dozen of another in all but the most corner situations |
| 16:41.43 | magicsmoke | I would assume desktop as a common anwser though |
| 16:41.47 | DarthEzekiel | stew what do you feel debian is best at and what do you use it for most? |
| 16:41.54 | stew | 11:39 < stew> DarthEzekiel: /msg dpkg sc ; /msg dpkg dfsg ; /msg dpkg why debian |
| 16:42.35 | DarthEzekiel | i refuse to talk with a bot |
| 16:42.51 | azeem | DarthEzekiel: *shrug* |
| 16:43.00 | cast | it would appear we refuse to replace the bot |
| 16:43.01 | azeem | DarthEzekiel: we refuse to answer this FAQ 12 times a day |
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| 16:43.17 | liable | aww |
| 16:43.21 | liable | c'mon |
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| 16:43.39 | DarthEzekiel | does debian make use of custom firmware, the faq doesnt answer that |
| 16:43.41 | gonzaloaf | hi, is it a big difference if I use the linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 having a P4 ? |
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| 16:43.55 | liable | i like to see red bits in my irssi window! |
| 16:44.18 | liable | DarthEzekiel: eh? |
| 16:44.26 | stew | gonzaloaf: no, its the best suited stock kernel for a p4 |
| 16:44.36 | DarthEzekiel | does debian make use of specifically tailored firmware? |
| 16:44.37 | liable | gonzaloaf: thats what you want to use |
| 16:44.47 | liable | DarthEzekiel: for what? |
| 16:44.48 | minus | Hi.. How do I format my mbr? Windows bootloader is fucking my Debian/Linux installations everthough windows isnt fucking installed.. |
| 16:44.50 | gonzaloaf | stew, isnt it the 2.6.18-3-686 the best one? |
| 16:45.07 | DarthEzekiel | liable: bios, radeon, etc |
| 16:45.12 | magicsmoke | minus , use darik's boot and nuke - Google for Dban |
| 16:45.13 | stew | gonzaloaf: no -4 replaces -3 for security reasons, and -3 won't get any future security support |
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| 16:45.35 | gonzaloaf | stew, oohh, how do youknow that? |
| 16:45.51 | cast | magicsmoke: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/DRIVE might do something |
| 16:45.58 | minus | magicsmoke: I see.. thx :) |
| 16:46.07 | liable | DarthEzekiel: i have no idea really what you are talking about. debian has nothing to do with your bios |
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| 16:46.14 | stew | gonzaloaf: becuase debian no longer distributes 2.6.18-3, so its not going to bother patching it, 2.6.18-4 is the version released with the current stable debian release |
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| 16:46.27 | magicsmoke | very true cast and alot faster -- I stand corrected |
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| 16:46.38 | DarthEzekiel | liable does debian install modified firmware specifcally designed for debian? |
| 16:46.43 | stew | DarthEzekiel: no |
| 16:46.46 | liable | DarthEzekiel: nope |
| 16:46.48 | cast | i was meaning to say minus but...damn m's! |
| 16:46.55 | DarthEzekiel | perhaps that should be added to the faw |
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| 16:46.58 | DarthEzekiel | faq* |
| 16:47.07 | azeem | DarthEzekiel: it's not a faq |
| 16:47.08 | stew | DarthEzekiel: its not a frequently asked question |
| 16:47.10 | asg | DarthEzekiel: it's part of the sc and dfsg |
| 16:47.16 | liable | DarthEzekiel: what part of a faq are you reading? |
| 16:47.39 | liable | i got a D in response |
| 16:47.46 | DarthEzekiel | i am pretty sure it is a faq, just that most people asking about this dont know the term 'firmware' |
| 16:48.05 | magicsmoke | DarthEzekiel are you sure you know what firware is |
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| 16:48.23 | liable | magicsmoke: who let you out? |
| 16:48.27 | DarthEzekiel | i am not entirely convinced that i know myself the exact nature of firmware |
| 16:48.50 | azeem | DarthEzekiel: why should there be firmware `specifically designed for debian'? |
| 16:48.54 | DarthEzekiel | for example i do not understand the difference between ati radeon firmware and shaders |
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| 16:49.11 | azeem | DarthEzekiel: do you have another Debian question? |
| 16:49.25 | DarthEzekiel | how is firmware upgraded by debian |
| 16:49.27 | magicsmoke | liable I let myself in |
| 16:49.35 | magicsmoke | Darth it is not |
| 16:49.56 | DarthEzekiel | then how does one upgrade firmware when they have the debian os |
| 16:50.01 | magicsmoke | Firmware is loaded by the manfacturer when a device ships and only through the use of special tools can it be altered |
| 16:50.01 | stew | DarthEzekiel: which firmware? |
| 16:50.13 | DarthEzekiel | for example the firmware for their soundcard |
| 16:50.14 | azeem | magicsmoke: that's wrong |
| 16:50.23 | liable | DarthEzekiel: firmware (for things like wireless) is generic for linux |
| 16:50.31 | azeem | firmware is sometimes uploaded by kernel drivers as well |
| 16:50.34 | azeem | or by hotplug |
| 16:50.35 | stew | DarthEzekiel: debian uses udev and hotplug to load firmware onto devices if it is needed to be loaded when the driver is loaded |
| 16:51.33 | DarthEzekiel | is the bios firmware updated independent of the kernel on the machine? |
| 16:52.01 | azeem | DarthEzekiel: does any other Linux vendor update the BIOS firmware? |
| 16:52.04 | zinx | the BIOS isn't upgraded via hotplug |
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| 16:52.28 | zinx | generally you have to run a DOS or Windows executable to update your BIOS |
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| 16:52.54 | xand | magicsmoke: manufacturers release new firmware for their devices which can be easily installed by end users. |
| 16:53.09 | stew | DarthEzekiel: and in general, bios firmware would not be free software, and therefore would not be in debian |
| 16:53.10 | xand | all the time |
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| 16:53.35 | DarthEzekiel | how does firmware actually work? |
| 16:53.41 | azeem | DarthEzekiel: this is off-topic here |
| 16:53.43 | stew | DarthEzekiel: ask #hardware |
| 16:53.46 | azeem | DarthEzekiel: please ask elsewhere |
| 16:53.51 | DarthEzekiel | i do not understand how it would not relate to debian |
| 16:53.56 | liable | thats something to hard for us to explain |
| 16:54.03 | liable | oops |
| 16:54.05 | azeem | DarthEzekiel: you don't have to understand, you just have to accept it |
| 16:54.11 | stew | DarthEzekiel: becuase bios firmware is not something that debian distributes |
| 16:54.14 | liable | i mean.. its would take too long |
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| 16:54.36 | azeem | because explaining general computer concepts is off-topic here |
| 16:54.49 | azeem | independet of whether Debian distributes that concept or not |
| 16:54.55 | magicsmoke | the firmware dictates how the device itself operates - how the indivual chip on the board works at an electrical level - when does it close and open gates |
| 16:55.13 | azeem | magicsmoke: we just figured out that this discussion is off-topic |
| 16:55.14 | magicsmoke | drivers are the gateway between phyisical and logical interfaces |
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| 16:55.24 | azeem | magicsmoke: feel free to discuss this elsewhere |
| 16:56.37 | DarthEzekiel | #hardware magicsmoke |
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| 16:57.50 | ab3l | hi i need help w/gutenprint 5.1.3 - did ./configure - make && make install no errors occurred but the system still has gutenprint 5.0.0 ! |
| 16:58.20 | liable | ab3l: your compile prolly went into /ur/local |
| 16:58.24 | cahoot | ab3l, installed to the intended location? |
| 16:58.32 | DarthEzekiel | i am pretty sure i had a firmware trojan in the past, are there any debian software that detects such trojans? |
| 16:58.32 | liable | and you still have the debian package installed... |
| 16:58.44 | liable | DarthEzekiel: no |
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| 16:58.48 | DarthEzekiel | :( |
| 16:59.12 | liable | DarthEzekiel: take a long bath, have a beer, and forget about firmware |
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| 16:59.13 | ab3l | cahoot. liable what you mean ? |
| 16:59.45 | magicsmoke | no software would detect that kind of trojan unless it was a real time debugger |
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| 17:00.33 | liable | ab3l: does dpkg -l gutenprint show it as installed? |
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| 17:01.23 | liable | ab3l: compiling software on debian can make your install messy if you dont know whats going on |
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| 17:02.17 | ab3l | dpkg says no match |
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| 17:04.10 | ab3l | while dpkg -l | grep gutenprint says gp version 5.0.0-3 - but the one i'm installing is 5.1.3 |
| 17:04.18 | ab3l | (which incluse my printer) |
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| 17:04.37 | liable | so, remove the debian package.. |
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| 17:06.15 | ab3l | ? btw the former problem is: epson reccomended software for my rx560 prints pages at VERY slow speed and low quality - i read in gutenprint they added suppport for my printer but i need to update ... did compile & install but system's unaffectd ;( |
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| 17:06.58 | liable | remove the debian package |
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| 17:13.13 | Edulix2 | hi |
| 17:13.20 | Edulix2 | I'm building my own kernel |
| 17:13.24 | Edulix2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.26 | Edulix2 | :) |
| 17:13.42 | Edulix2 | root@anelpa-laptop:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.20# patch -p2 <../red.patch |
| 17:13.43 | Edulix2 | patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input |
| 17:13.44 | Edulix2 | see? |
| 17:14.00 | azeem | don't copy&paste it from gmane |
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| 17:14.22 | Edulix2 | then? |
| 17:14.33 | azeem | dunno |
| 17:14.44 | azeem | find a better linux-kernel archive, e.g. |
| 17:14.55 | azeem | eh, linux-network |
| 17:14.55 | stew | Edulix2: what does "head -1 ../red.patch" return? |
| 17:15.07 | azeem | +++ linux/drivers/net/wireless/zd1211rw/zd_chip.h <at> <at> -608,6 +608,9 <at> <at> enum { |
| 17:15.11 | azeem | that can't work |
| 17:15.26 | azeem | they garble @ in emails *and* diffs |
| 17:15.37 | liable | Edulix2: i think you will find you need to patch the wireless-dev kernel for that to work |
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| 17:15.45 | stew | hah, yeah |
| 17:16.01 | liable | Edulix2: just get the latest git from wireless dev |
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| 17:16.31 | Gryfelhase | Where from can I get the dvd-images of debian sarge r6 ? |
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| 17:16.36 | Gryfelhase | (per http?)+ |
| 17:16.41 | Edulix2 | liable: :( |
| 17:16.52 | abrotman | Gryfelhase: i haven't seen r6 anywhere .. but i've seen r5 |
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| 17:17.05 | ace | hello; what is the package that contains ldconfig please? |
| 17:17.10 | Edulix2 | liable: ok I'll try |
| 17:17.28 | \amethyst | Edulix2: you could also get the patch from marc, they usually manage to not mangle the body too much |
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| 17:17.34 | abrotman | !find bin/ldconfig etch |
| 17:17.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/ldconfig' (1): (/sbin/ldconfig) in libs/libc6. |
| 17:17.43 | Edulix2 | iable: http://mirror.linux.org.mt/mirror/kernel/linux/kernel/people/linville/wireless-2.6/upstream-merged/ shouldn't this work? |
| 17:17.44 | \amethyst | Edulix2: http://marc.info/?l=linux-netdev&m=117996690531314&w=2 |
| 17:17.44 | Gryfelhase | hm.... but i downloaded a net-install cd for sarge (r6a) |
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| 17:17.49 | Edulix2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:18.09 | Gryfelhase | ( a bit confused now) |
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| 17:18.41 | Edulix2 | \amethyst: but that will work in 2.6.20 ubuntu kernel? I'll try |
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| 17:19.13 | \amethyst | Edulix2: I dunno about that... depends on whether the patch had already been applied by the distribution folks |
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| 17:20.04 | py_ | hello |
| 17:20.07 | liable | I am pretty sure it wont |
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| 17:20.48 | \amethyst | Edulix2: and whether it depends on anything that was added between .20 and .21 |
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| 17:21.03 | Edulix2 | liable: ok, so the best option isthe wireless-dev git |
| 17:21.04 | stew | Edulix2: you should be asking in #ubuntu, not here |
| 17:21.19 | Edulix2 | stew: sorry you are right |
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| 17:22.04 | py_ | I've a debian etch installed on a box whihc works flawlessy as long as a monitor is attached. But if I try to boot with the VGA cable not plugged in, it hangs at the grub step, juste before the line "Uncompressing linux... Ok, booting the kernel." is printed (I can see it by reconnecting the monitor after a few seconds). How can the presence or not of a monitor cause this, and most importantly, how do I fix that? |
| 17:22.07 | liable | Edulix2: yes, install gogito |
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| 17:22.16 | ace | i just installed a debian and i tried to install emacs and during preconfig, it s sais that ldconfig is not found in PATH |
| 17:22.19 | ace | dunno how to resolve that |
| 17:22.32 | abrotman | tried to install emacs how |
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| 17:22.42 | ace | apt-get install emacs |
| 17:22.45 | liable | Edulix2: then, cg-clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/linville/wireless-dev.git |
| 17:22.48 | stew | ace: what is "preconfig"? |
| 17:22.48 | abrotman | and is ldconfig on your system? .. /sbin/ldconfig ? |
| 17:22.55 | ace | yes |
| 17:23.00 | ace | the PATH is bad |
| 17:23.00 | \amethyst | ace: Is /sbin/ in your PATH? |
| 17:23.01 | liable | Edulix2: sorry, cogito |
| 17:23.08 | ace | the PATH doesn't contains /sbin |
| 17:23.14 | \amethyst | ace: how did you become root? |
| 17:23.16 | abrotman | are you root ? |
| 17:23.18 | ace | sudo |
| 17:23.25 | abrotman | try just su |
| 17:23.58 | Edulix2 | liable: cogito right? |
| 17:24.00 | ace | i only have sudo access |
| 17:24.01 | Edulix2 | installing |
| 17:24.07 | \amethyst | ace: sudo su - |
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| 17:24.21 | \amethyst | ace: or only the apt-get command? |
| 17:24.24 | liable | Edulix2: yep |
| 17:24.31 | Edulix2 | liable: that's based on 2.6.23, I supposed |
| 17:24.33 | ace | \amethyst perfect! |
| 17:24.41 | liable | Edulix2: still 22 |
| 17:24.48 | Edulix2 | so well at least I will get tickless |
| 17:24.49 | Edulix2 | ;) |
| 17:24.50 | ace | \amethyst: i did "sudo bash" |
| 17:24.50 | liable | rc5 i think now |
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| 17:25.23 | liable | i didnt even know there was a 23.. |
| 17:25.33 | rustifer | does anyone have access to a /proc/cpuinfo from an intel core(tm) 2 cpu system? |
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| 17:25.50 | rustifer | I'm not sure if I should expect one or two sections. |
| 17:25.50 | liable | glad you included the (tm) |
| 17:26.03 | rustifer | Well I wouldn't want to be liable... |
| 17:26.04 | Edulix2 | hehe |
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| 17:27.18 | Edulix2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.24 | stew | rustifer: you should expect 1 section per core if you are running a SMP enabled kernel. what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 17:27.42 | Edulix2 | liable: is that dowloading already or just "indexing" ? |
| 17:27.43 | liable | Edulix2: its uncompressed kernel source, so yeah, its quite large |
| 17:27.50 | Edulix2 | ok |
| 17:27.59 | rustifer | russ@badger:~$ uname -r |
| 17:27.59 | rustifer | 2.6.18-4-486 |
| 17:28.17 | abrotman | rustifer: it's coreduo ? |
| 17:28.19 | Edulix2 | rustifer: so you have a 486 (TM) kernel! :D |
| 17:28.31 | abrotman | rustifer: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 17:28.34 | rustifer | model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz |
| 17:29.55 | idiot | anyone got a good sources.list? |
| 17:30.00 | rustifer | geez. there's a bunch of stuff there :( |
| 17:30.09 | rustifer | but that looks like it'll help ;) thanks. |
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| 17:30.27 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 17:30.27 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 17:30.33 | MilhousePunkRock | idiot: What do you need to know? |
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| 17:31.16 | idiot | MilhousePunkRock: for days i always get that when update |
| 17:31.17 | idiot | Fetched 1B in 4s (0B/s) |
| 17:31.18 | idiot | Reading package lists... Done |
| 17:31.30 | liable | hah |
| 17:31.33 | MilhousePunkRock | idiot: Seems like you are up to date |
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| 17:31.54 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: wtf? <ravenbird> unfortunately, chanServCheck is disabled in my configuration |
| 17:31.57 | liable | idiot: are you running stable? |
| 17:32.04 | jetscreamer | multispammed |
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| 17:32.15 | idiot | liable: lenny/sid is stable? |
| 17:32.16 | liable | jetscreamer: its been quieted |
| 17:32.21 | liable | idiot: no |
| 17:32.27 | phaedral | idiot: if you msg dpkg re: java there's some alternative sources to add; but, if I understand correctly, the farther you get from what dpkg just told you the less valuable the whole debian management structure is... |
| 17:32.31 | jetscreamer | liable: i just got it in a priv window |
| 17:32.35 | idiot | then no ;p |
| 17:32.37 | liable | jetscreamer: i guess silenced is a better word |
| 17:32.45 | liable | jetscreamer: really? |
| 17:32.46 | azeem | jetscreamer: do you see ravenbird in here |
| 17:32.57 | jetscreamer | [12.26.38] <ravenbird> unfortunately, chanServCheck is disabled in my configuration |
| 17:33.02 | azeem | jetscreamer: maybe you're in another chan together with it? |
| 17:33.08 | jetscreamer | well when i /joined i guess |
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| 17:33.24 | liable | jetscreamer: its been told off since |
| 17:33.29 | liable | bah |
| 17:33.36 | jakub__ | http://aktualne.centrum.cz/ekonomika/domaci-ekonomika/clanek.phtml?id=452573 |
| 17:33.37 | jakub__ | 30 tisic mesicne |
| 17:33.39 | jakub__ | :-) |
| 17:34.03 | liable | unfortunate time to spam |
| 17:34.30 | azeem | jakub__: this is an english channel |
| 17:34.36 | jakub__ | aha |
| 17:34.49 | azeem | jakub__: plus random URLs are off-topic in here |
| 17:35.01 | FJ_Sanchez | This is really weird... I've a program just installed in /usr/local/bin |
| 17:35.04 | liable | how about just a kick |
| 17:35.07 | FJ_Sanchez | This dir is in my PATH |
| 17:35.11 | azeem | liable: why? |
| 17:35.14 | flavioribeiro | how can i see my hard disk space? |
| 17:35.18 | Edulix2 | FJ_Sanchez: are you who I think you are? |
| 17:35.24 | Edulix2 | FJ_Sanchez: :P |
| 17:35.25 | stew | flavioribeiro: df or df -h |
| 17:35.26 | FJ_Sanchez | but if I try to exec this program I get bash: /usr/bin/gpasmsure!: |
| 17:35.27 | idiot | flavioribeiro: df -h |
| 17:35.33 | liable | azeem: for spam? |
| 17:35.34 | FJ_Sanchez | Hi Edulix2 |
| 17:35.43 | azeem | liable: it's a news article in polish |
| 17:35.44 | Edulix2 | FJ_Sanchez: fran? :P |
| 17:35.49 | FJ_Sanchez | Sip |
| 17:35.53 | FJ_Sanchez | :) |
| 17:35.55 | azeem | plus jakub__ asked sort-of-valid questions earlier |
| 17:36.17 | FJ_Sanchez | I've a little problem with some paths I think |
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| 17:36.47 | stew | FJ_Sanchez: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 17:37.41 | FJ_Sanchez | Ok stew |
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| 17:38.31 | Mattias | i'm trying to install vmware, but i keep encountring vmmon module compiling errors. segmentation fault with insmod i think |
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| 17:38.49 | rustifer | whoa nelly. new kernel fixxored it. |
| 17:38.51 | rustifer | thanks, all. |
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| 17:39.27 | FJ_Sanchez | http://pastebin.ca/592261 |
| 17:39.31 | FJ_Sanchez | This is weird for me... |
| 17:39.33 | liable | magic kernels rock |
| 17:39.52 | Mattias | im compiling a new kernel now too myself :) 2.6.22 |
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| 17:40.09 | Mattias | hoping it will solve my vmware problem >,< |
| 17:41.10 | azeem | Mattias: fix the script to run /sbin/insmod, not insmod |
| 17:41.31 | liable | FJ_Sanchez: you just compiled it? |
| 17:41.39 | Mattias | azeem: ah good idea >,< |
| 17:42.42 | FJ_Sanchez | Yes |
| 17:44.03 | liable | FJ_Sanchez: hrm, its got x for others, should work. execute it will full path |
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| 17:44.54 | sp3tt | Using always on top in VLC has no effect whatsoever. Why? |
| 17:44.56 | FJ_Sanchez | what? |
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| 17:45.23 | liable | FJ_Sanchez: /usr/local/gpasm |
| 17:45.32 | sp3tt | Right-click, click on always on top. Click on other window, VLC is minimized. |
| 17:45.34 | liable | type that |
| 17:45.44 | stew | FJ_Sanchez: try running "bash" which will start a new shell, and see if the new shell does the same, or if "gpasm -v" still breaks |
| 17:46.01 | MilhousePunkRock | sp3tt: Why not use the always on top function of your window manager? |
| 17:46.19 | FJ_Sanchez | stew that works now |
| 17:46.23 | FJ_Sanchez | why is this? |
| 17:46.37 | stew | FJ_Sanchez: bash must be caching something |
| 17:46.44 | FJ_Sanchez | Mmm |
| 17:46.54 | FJ_Sanchez | Thx anyway |
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| 17:49.03 | liable | funny, i read my comment twice and it looked good, third time i realised i typed will instead of with... |
| 17:49.15 | liable | i blame the beer |
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| 17:50.54 | Ronin | liable: how dare you blame the necter of the gods |
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| 17:51.29 | pngwn | liable, it's a poor craftsman that blames his tools :) |
| 17:51.31 | Jello | mm.. strange problem (I think) |
| 17:51.39 | Jello | My backslash works like the delete button |
| 17:51.41 | liable | Ronin: i usually bleme my brain, but I gave it the night off! |
| 17:51.47 | liable | blame even |
| 17:52.02 | Jello | so I press backslash, to delete the char befor my cursor, but it delete it after the cursor |
| 17:52.03 | Jello | :s |
| 17:52.04 | rustifer | liable, you need to share the b33r so that we can understand you. |
| 17:52.08 | karmatronic | does gutenprint support duplex printing (if printer does,of course)? |
| 17:52.46 | liable | am i having a groundhog day moment? |
| 17:53.19 | liable | karmatronic: did you ask this question under another nick? |
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| 17:54.34 | karmatronic | liable: no |
| 17:54.38 | karmatronic | liable: why? |
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| 17:55.34 | liable | karmatronic: someone was asking about gutenprint earlier, and its not often I have heard of it, so twice in one night seems quite unusual :) |
| 17:55.43 | LyleM | what repo can i use to get the latest kernel |
| 17:55.44 | karmatronic | hehe |
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| 17:55.52 | hatredx` | dunno |
| 17:56.16 | karmatronic | LyleM: kernelarchives |
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| 17:56.47 | deimos_ | hi |
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| 17:58.13 | Edulix2 | liable: wow this is *slow*, still 14% only :P |
| 17:58.25 | liable | LyleM: depends on what debian version and what you want |
| 17:58.30 | Edulix2 | I will come back in 2 hours when it's hopefully downloaded ;) |
| 17:59.12 | liable | Edulix2: you must have a shit connection. should have been done by now. unless the server is getting hammered atm (but its a kernel.org host i think) |
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| 17:59.25 | LyleM | liable: not sure what version, just the latest kernel, i thought it would be testing, but its at 2.6.18 |
| 17:59.34 | deimos_ | i'm running etch and i'm trying to configure sound with alsa, so i've compiled my kernel 2.6.21 with the module ALSA and my driver snd_hda_intel ; install alsa-base, etc .. alsaconf works, i choose my sound card, there are any error, but i've no sound =\ why ? |
| 17:59.37 | Edulix2 | liable: what if inet goes down while downloading? how can I continue? just in case.. |
| 17:59.40 | liable | LyleM: thats the stable kernel |
| 17:59.44 | Edulix2 | liable: 300kb/s |
| 18:00.07 | liable | Edulix2: hrm, should be done if your getting that speed |
| 18:00.30 | karmatronic | deimos_: unmute with alsamixer |
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| 18:00.52 | karmatronic | deimos_: or specifiy model card when loading snd-hda-intel |
| 18:00.53 | deimos_ | karmatronic, it's unmute |
| 18:01.04 | Edulix2 | liable: and how to continue? |
| 18:01.08 | liable | Edulix2: kb or kB? |
| 18:01.09 | deimos_ | karmatronic, how can i do that ? |
| 18:01.19 | Edulix2 | liable: kilobytes |
| 18:01.25 | liable | Edulix2: just use the same command |
| 18:01.29 | cahoot | deimos_, invoke-rc.d alsautils reset 0 |
| 18:01.39 | cahoot | deimos_, err invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 18:01.51 | Edulix2 | liable: it will say that the dir already exists |
| 18:02.01 | karmatronic | deimos_: do oyu know the exact model of the card |
| 18:02.07 | deimos_ | yes |
| 18:02.20 | Jello | where do I find a list of rc.0.d, rc.1.d, rc.2.d ? (what means what) |
| 18:02.21 | liable | Edulix2: ok, cg-update from within the dir |
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| 18:02.50 | Jello | have it |
| 18:02.51 | Jello | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel |
| 18:02.54 | Jello | little question |
| 18:02.59 | Edulix2 | liable: thanks :D |
| 18:03.05 | Jello | the reboot, 'll that also use 0 ? |
| 18:03.09 | Edulix2 | (just in case =) |
| 18:03.12 | deimos_ | lspci | grep -i audio => 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 18:03.20 | liable | Edulix2: i havent fetched the whole source for a while (just updated) but it is a large source |
| 18:03.23 | stew | Jello: reboot is 6, halt is 0 |
| 18:03.31 | Jello | I've a command that need to called when the comp. well go out or reboot, so just in rc.0 or also in rc.6 |
| 18:03.47 | Jello | (if I reboot, 'll it only rc.6 use ?) |
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| 18:04.29 | cahoot | deimos_, test sound using aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav in a terminal - noise or error? |
| 18:04.43 | simonrvn | Jello: man runlevel; man shutdown |
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| 18:04.57 | deimos_ | cahoot, nothing =\ |
| 18:05.00 | Edulix2 | liable: yeah it must be around 200mb |
| 18:05.28 | cahoot | deimos_, does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return anything? |
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| 18:05.46 | Jello | okay, 'll just put in in rc.0 and rc.6 |
| 18:06.06 | jetscreamer | i forgot to restart xchat :) |
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| 18:06.19 | deimos_ | cahoot, nop =\ |
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| 18:06.46 | karmatronic | deimos_: for instance , try that |
| 18:06.56 | karmatronic | deimos_: modprobe -r snd-hda-intel |
| 18:07.13 | karmatronic | deimos_: modprobe snd-hda-intel position_fix=1 model=3stack |
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| 18:07.25 | deimos_ | ok i try this (it's snd_hda_intel) |
| 18:07.32 | karmatronic | deimos_: yeah |
| 18:08.23 | liable | Edulix2: 630 on mine, but that includes builds |
| 18:08.28 | CalJohn | just tried to load gnome-control-center from fluxbox, and it just changed my desktop background and started some "rest" program in the toolbar. This is highly annoying. What is a better way to change the gtk theme? |
| 18:08.59 | CalJohn | also, is there no way to close "Typing Monitor" without killing it? |
| 18:09.05 | stew | its snd-hda-intel not snd_hda_intel, but you can always interchange _ and - in module names |
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| 18:10.06 | deimos_ | karmatronic, it works, but no sound :( |
| 18:10.37 | Overflo1 | anyone knows a bit about Xgl beryl and proprietary drivers? |
| 18:10.50 | CalJohn | Overflo1: just ask the question. |
| 18:10.58 | Overflo1 | ok |
| 18:11.07 | karmatronic | deimos_: cat /proc/asound/card0/codec\#* |
| 18:11.08 | Overflo1 | i get this: |
| 18:11.13 | liable | Edulix2: 590MB when clean |
| 18:11.16 | CalJohn | wait! |
| 18:11.19 | CalJohn | Overflo1: pastebin |
| 18:11.24 | Overflo1 | Checking for non power of two texture support : failed |
| 18:11.24 | Overflo1 | Support for non power of two textures missing |
| 18:11.24 | Overflo1 | beryl: glXBindTexImageEXT is missing |
| 18:11.24 | Overflo1 | beryl: Failed to manage screen: 0 |
| 18:11.24 | Overflo1 | beryl: No manageable screens found on display :0.0 |
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| 18:11.34 | CalJohn | ugh |
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| 18:11.44 | liable | boots |
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| 18:12.04 | karmatronic | deimos_: and also check esd or arts are disabled |
| 18:12.11 | blackbart | In what package might I find mencoder, I'm having trouble finding it on packages.debian.org |
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| 18:12.20 | liable | !annoy bob2 |
| 18:12.20 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
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| 18:12.24 | h3sp4wn | blackbart: Its not in debian |
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| 18:12.30 | karmatronic | !debian-multimedia |
| 18:12.30 | dpkg | well, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 18:12.31 | h3sp4wn | blackbart: debian-multimedia has it |
| 18:12.37 | CalJohn | liable: heh. |
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| 18:12.48 | Overflo1 | sorr |
| 18:13.01 | CalJohn | Overflo1: np, where did you paste it? |
| 18:13.01 | liable | yes |
| 18:13.02 | Overflo1 | paste it twice by mistake |
| 18:13.09 | Overflo1 | here |
| 18:13.09 | blackbart | h3sp4wn, thanks |
| 18:13.39 | stew | !tell Overflo1 about pastebin |
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| 18:14.08 | Overflo1 | cthx |
| 18:14.15 | liable | bye? |
| 18:15.50 | alesan | hi, I would like to install the package netperf, but it seems it's not available. what should I do, perhaps add another repository? |
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| 18:16.13 | liable | iperf? |
| 18:16.13 | karmatronic | deimos_: so ? |
| 18:16.22 | alesan | no not iperf, netperf |
| 18:16.25 | chops | Offtopic question: Would anyone expect modern gigabit switches to show poor performance when forwarding packets from a 1Gbps interface to a 100Mbps switch? I remember that being a problem with 100Mbps and 100Mbps (that mixing speeds led to slower performance than just using the slower speed sometimes). |
| 18:16.29 | karmatronic | deimos_: modprobe snd-hda-intel position_fix=2 model=auto |
| 18:16.36 | chops | *problem with 100Mbps and 10Mbps |
| 18:17.02 | CalJohn | How do I change the GTK theme? |
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| 18:18.15 | deimos_ | karmatronic, cat /proc/asound/card0/codec\#* return a lot of information ôO and how can i check that esd or arts are disabled ? |
| 18:18.24 | Overflo1 | paste is here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/43551 |
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| 18:18.34 | J_P | hi all |
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| 18:18.59 | karmatronic | deimos_: killall esd |
| 18:19.03 | karmatronic | deimos_: killall arts |
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| 18:19.52 | karmatronic | deimos_: and output head -1 /proc/asound/card0/codec\#* |
| 18:19.56 | smacnay | damn, my dvd burner just died.... |
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| 18:20.36 | Overflo1 | when trying beryl it gives : http://paste.lisp.org/display/43551 when trying beryl-Xgl it just returns to login screen... please help... |
| 18:20.46 | smacnay | quit reading in the middle of some copying from and now does not mount or allow hdparm to read parameters. |
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| 18:20.53 | smacnay | oh well, it is a few years old. |
| 18:20.53 | Overflo1 | i have Xgl session running |
| 18:21.13 | Galaxor | I am having a hard time setting my system time. It is butt. |
| 18:21.14 | deimos_ | karmatronic, output : Codec: Conexant CX20551 (Waikiki) |
| 18:21.17 | liable | Overflo1: you wont (unfortunately) get help ere with beryl or xgl, as it isnt in debian |
| 18:21.24 | deimos_ | and killall esd/arts : any processus killed |
| 18:21.46 | Overflo1 | ok |
| 18:21.48 | Overflo1 | thx |
| 18:22.11 | Overflo1 | i need some original thinking here ;) |
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| 18:22.20 | karmatronic | deimos_: and also lsmod | grep snd_usb_audio |
| 18:22.32 | liable | i need someone to fix mine too.. |
| 18:22.34 | Galaxor | I use commands like date --set=2007-07-01 (as root). It prints Sun Jul 1 00:00:00 EDT 2007. Then I run date again with no args and here's what it says: Wed Jun 27 14:22:20 EDT 2007. |
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| 18:22.40 | Galaxor | Why would it do something like that? |
| 18:22.51 | cahoot | deimos_, how many cards are listed by: cat /proc/asound/cards? |
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| 18:23.10 | Galaxor | Is my computer trapped in a timewarp? |
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| 18:23.31 | Galaxor | Or is it just smarter than me and it's like "July 1st? It's not July 1st, silly hu-man!" |
| 18:23.44 | liable | Galaxor: probably, can you just go forward a day or two and check the news for lotto numbers? |
| 18:24.08 | karmatronic | deimos_: my guess is the right driver is not loaded |
| 18:24.11 | xen_masta | Here's a networking/kernel-ish issue: I have two systems with identical hardware. I set up debian on one, then dd'd its drives and inserted the copies in the other machine. it boots fine, I can log in and muck about, but for whatever reason I don't have any networking. ifconfig only shows lo. I have the proper modules (tg3.ko) and lspci shows my cards, but they just won't become eth0 and eth1. Ideas? |
| 18:24.31 | karmatronic | deimos_: you ran alsaconfig and the card was detected as hda-intel right? |
| 18:24.32 | deimos_ | lsmod | grep snd_usb_audio : nothing |
| 18:24.40 | liable | xen_masta: ifconfig -a? |
| 18:24.42 | Galaxor | liable: That's just the problem -- I can't go forward at all. It's stuck in the opposite of a timewarp. |
| 18:24.43 | deimos_ | karmatronic, yes |
| 18:24.44 | cahoot | karmatronic, then he wouldn't have any /proc/asound |
| 18:25.03 | deimos_ | cahoot, one sound card only |
| 18:25.07 | deimos_ | my HDA Intel |
| 18:25.17 | J_P | people, how I do for put one dir of the binaries to path on linux ? What file I add for have in path ? |
| 18:25.21 | liable | Galaxor: bugger, can you find my dog then? he went missing yesterday :) |
| 18:25.36 | xen_masta | liable: nope, still nothing |
| 18:25.42 | Galaxor | liable: Try Google Street Views. |
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| 18:26.09 | ha1f- | i cant configure exportfs to write /var/www/html 192.168.230.218 (rw,sync) it just wont let the user write :< |
| 18:26.14 | karmatronic | deimos_: i m searching |
| 18:26.20 | liable | Galaxor: But I Don't Live Where They Have It :( |
| 18:26.41 | frank | J_P: just set $PATH, e.g. export PATH=$PATH:/newPathToAdd |
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| 18:26.46 | liable | does google street view help find pooches in America? |
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| 18:27.32 | cahoot | deimos_, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* didn't return anything at all? |
| 18:27.32 | karmatronic | deimos_: try modprobe -r snd_hda_intel ; modprobe intel8x0 |
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| 18:28.22 | cahoot | he has a hda according to lspci |
| 18:29.13 | karmatronic | deimos_: you tried modprobe snd_hda_intel model=test |
| 18:29.15 | deimos_ | cahoot, nothing =\ |
| 18:29.55 | cahoot | deimos_, no switch/knob on the keyboard to toggle? |
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| 18:30.36 | stew | deimos_: what does this return: " lspci -n | awk '/040.:/{print $3}' " ? |
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| 18:30.57 | cahoot | deimos_, saw someone reporting he had to disable headphone in alsamixer to get sound from speakers' |
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| 18:32.22 | deimos_ | stew, 8086:27d8 |
| 18:32.24 | slack101 | hey i have a real problem man |
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| 18:32.43 | karmatronic | cahoot, deimos_ : this idea is also evoked here at http://www.pixelmonkey.org/2007/03/18/dv2000-alsa-patches/ |
| 18:33.00 | Kevin` | whats an snes emulator available in the debian repos? |
| 18:33.00 | deimos_ | karmatronic, i tried modprobe snd_hda_intel model=test, it doestn't work =\ |
| 18:33.08 | stew | deimos_: that is definately snd-hda-intel then, dont bother with i810_audio or snd-intel8x0 |
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| 18:34.02 | karmatronic | deimos_: and what does dmesg | tail says ? |
| 18:34.16 | slack101 | these datacenter people keep saying my kerrnel gets an error ........ faield to mount local filesystems, what does this mean ? |
| 18:34.24 | deimos_ | karmatronic, nothing about sound =\ |
| 18:34.35 | wols | slack101: custom kernel? |
| 18:34.58 | wols | slack101: it usually means it couldn't mount your root fs |
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| 18:35.06 | slack101 | i got it out debian repos ? |
| 18:35.15 | cahoot | deimos_, run alsamixer - disable everything but pcm and master |
| 18:35.21 | karmatronic | deimos_: still , could you pastebin it |
| 18:35.43 | karmatronic | deimos_: and try cahoot ´s guess |
| 18:36.05 | slack101 | how od i fix this ? wols |
| 18:36.23 | stew | slack101: what kernel version? what version of debian? |
| 18:36.26 | liable | slack101: usually means you have drive errors if all was working before |
| 18:36.29 | naitram | setting up an ntp server, clients are ip phones, see request from phones and responses from server but the phones (two diff models) never update their date and time? Settings error? |
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| 18:36.43 | slack101 | it was never working before |
| 18:36.52 | slack101 | i just did a deboostrap and installed |
| 18:37.12 | slack101 | installed a kerrnel and used lilo |
| 18:37.33 | stew | slack101: did you tell lilo about the initrd? |
| 18:37.47 | slack101 | i did |
| 18:37.53 | slack101 | why would that throw that kind of error ? |
| 18:38.02 | stew | not specifying it would |
| 18:38.11 | stew | slack101: did you create an /etc/fstab? |
| 18:38.16 | liable | pay the datacentre people to install |
| 18:38.18 | J_P | frank: but I would like know in what file I put that for after one reboot for example.. |
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| 18:38.45 | slack101 | steve, i did i think it was right too |
| 18:38.51 | deimos_ | karmatronic, http://www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=687 |
| 18:39.01 | naitram | setting up an ntp server, clients are ip phones, see request from phones and responses from server but the phones (two diff models) never update their date and time? Settings error? |
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| 18:39.06 | stew | slack101: what version of debian, and what kernel version? |
| 18:39.11 | slack101 | Etch |
| 18:39.18 | slack101 | and whatever x86 kerrnel is in there |
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| 18:39.56 | frank | J_P: depends, to be somehow globally for all users e.g. /etc/profile, otherwise you can also put it into ~/.bashrc |
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| 18:40.38 | sputnick | re |
| 18:40.43 | J_P | frank ok |
| 18:40.46 | karmatronic | deimos_: and what does dmesg say when you modprobe snd_hda_intel |
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| 18:41.49 | liable | naitram: if the server responds, i think you need to see what the phones say as to why they dont like it |
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| 18:41.53 | deimos_ | karmatronic, http://www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=688 |
| 18:41.56 | deimos_ | =\ |
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| 18:42.41 | stew | deimos_: and what is the problem? just no sound? you can start alsamixer though? |
| 18:42.56 | Overflo1 | if someone will proove that P=!NP then does it mean that co-NP!=P? |
| 18:43.01 | EmleyMoor | I'm getting a "Debootstrap warning: Failure while configuring base packages.", trying to install sid |
| 18:43.05 | liable | naitram: dont phones get there time from the cells they connect to anyway? |
| 18:43.08 | EmleyMoor | Is this a known issue at present? |
| 18:43.17 | deimos_ | stew, alsamixer works, i've no error |
| 18:43.20 | karmatronic | Overflo1: who cares |
| 18:43.24 | Overflo1 | lol |
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| 18:43.28 | stew | deimos_: can you pastebin the output of "amixer" ? |
| 18:43.28 | karmatronic | :) |
| 18:43.29 | naitram | liable: well they are two completely different phones and manufacturers so... thought it might be a configuration thing. These are sip phones on a sip network |
| 18:43.31 | deimos_ | and yes i've "just" no sound =p |
| 18:43.33 | Overflo1 | just wanted a reaction.. |
| 18:43.34 | deimos_ | ok |
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| 18:44.19 | deimos_ | stew, http://www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=689 |
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| 18:44.24 | karmatronic | deimos_: did you try disabling headphones in alsamixer |
| 18:44.31 | liable | EmleyMoor: sid doesnt really have 'known issues at the moment' it just breaks randomly and its up to the reader to work out why |
| 18:44.36 | liable | naitram: k |
| 18:44.39 | slack101 | yo i really need some help |
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| 18:44.43 | slack101 | like reallly bad |
| 18:45.00 | slack101 | if someone helps me i would be glad to donate |
| 18:45.03 | TheMonkey | i have a quick admin question, namely if i am supposed to edit /etc/group directly for removing someone from a group? |
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| 18:45.38 | wols | slack101: while donations are always welcomes, it's pretty impossible to bribe debian people |
| 18:45.40 | stew | deimos_: and you are plugged into the correct analog port? |
| 18:45.45 | naitram | liable: i read something somewhere that if the times were way off then you would have override something in the ntp.conf file but don't remember what. |
| 18:45.52 | slack101 | wols, wasnt a bribe it was an offer ;) |
| 18:45.54 | deimos_ | stew, it's a laptop |
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| 18:46.21 | liable | naitram: yes, if the times are way off, ntp wont update, but they have to be quite off |
| 18:46.35 | karmatronic | deimos_: try to pass noacpi acpi=off at kernel boot |
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| 18:46.42 | stew | deimos_: are the hardware volume settings up and unmuted? |
| 18:46.42 | liable | i am open to bribes |
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| 18:47.01 | slack101 | i need help on my server aap |
| 18:47.02 | deimos_ | stew, lol, yes |
| 18:47.04 | slack101 | this is costing me moneuy |
| 18:47.09 | deimos_ | karmatronic, hm okok i will try this |
| 18:47.19 | liable | give me a shell |
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| 18:47.34 | wols | slack101: then learn to ask proper questions. you haven't given us enough information |
| 18:47.43 | slack101 | ok |
| 18:47.47 | stew | slack101: what is the exact error message you get when booting? |
| 18:47.49 | slack101 | i got this error from datacenter |
| 18:47.52 | wols | liable: the bribe consisting of a rooted by you box? |
| 18:47.55 | slack101 | failed to mount local filesystems |
| 18:47.57 | slack101 | thats it |
| 18:47.58 | Overflo1 | any Xgl experts here? |
| 18:48.06 | naitram | liable: yeah, these phones come up factory default like 1970 or 1990 depending on the system i guess, they are definitely way off at the start. Do you recall what has to be changed in the ntp.conf file or at least know what the switch is called? |
| 18:48.09 | wols | slack101: can you access the box? |
| 18:48.10 | Overflo1 | /name OverFlow |
| 18:48.10 | liable | wols: something like this |
| 18:48.37 | liable | naitram: its the client you need to get close, not the server |
| 18:48.43 | slack101 | wols, well i hada network booted system runniing on it ....nowno in 15 mins yes i will have a network booted system running on it where i could access the drive etc |
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| 18:50.01 | naitram | liable: Oh, I see what you are saying , the client is seeing such a large difference and just is not updating its clock even though the server is responding. Oh!! Thanks |
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| 18:50.38 | slack101 | wols, any ideas of what to do when i get that network thing all up ? |
| 18:50.52 | deimos_ | so thx karmatronic, stew, cahoot, i will edit my /boot/grub/menu.lst and reboot with acpi at off =) |
| 18:50.56 | wols | yes. check fstab, syslog, kernel, etc |
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| 18:51.13 | slack101 | but if it never mounted the local filesystem how is it goign to log anything ? |
| 18:51.31 | stew | slack101: which initrd creator was used? initramfs-tools or yaird? |
| 18:51.50 | karmatronic | deimos_: good luck,otherwise check /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt |
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| 18:51.57 | stew | slack101: and what kernel version were you running when you generated the initrd? |
| 18:51.58 | slack101 | it did it during the kerrnel install |
| 18:52.09 | stew | slack101: yes, which one did it use during the kernel install |
| 18:52.09 | slack101 | apt-get install kernel |
| 18:52.13 | slack101 | yes |
| 18:52.18 | karmatronic | deimos_: and try modprobe with model indicated |
| 18:52.21 | slack101 | thats wasnt the command ;) |
| 18:52.39 | liable | naitram: exactly |
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| 18:53.01 | stew | slack101: which initrd creattor was used, initramfs-tools or yaird. likely you only have one of the two installed, and likely it is initramfs-tools |
| 18:53.12 | stew | slack101: what kernel version were you running when you installed the kernel? |
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| 18:53.28 | slack101 | stew, i will be able to check in a min |
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| 18:54.41 | slack101 | stew, right now the server is off i am having the datacenter boot it into network mode right now |
| 18:54.44 | liable | apt-get install kernel?? |
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| 18:55.23 | slack101 | no i usedd the actual command |
| 18:55.49 | stew | slack101: to fix this you should run "foo" but repace "foo" with the actual command that will fix your system |
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| 18:56.13 | slack101 | man |
| 18:56.16 | slack101 | i installed the kerrnel |
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| 18:56.28 | slack101 | it was .like 2.6-18-4 |
| 18:56.29 | slack101 | or something |
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| 18:56.41 | slack101 | and it used that irtig image thing and made it |
| 18:57.07 | stew | slack101: which initrd image thing, there are multiple |
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| 18:57.27 | slack101 | well since atm i dont have access to the server and in 10 mins i will let you knwo then ;) |
| 18:57.39 | slack101 | whats likely the biggest problem ? |
| 18:58.01 | stew | slack101: your initrd or your bootloader config or your kernel command line |
| 18:58.16 | slack101 | kerrnel command line ? |
| 18:58.23 | liable | if its etch (seeing as its a .18) its prolly initramfs-tools? |
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| 18:58.41 | slack101 | i just used what it used when i downloaded the kerrnel |
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| 18:58.50 | stew | liable: probably |
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| 18:59.25 | karmatronic | slack101: yeah you have to find out if you need an initramfs image and if so generate it and append it to your kernel |
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| 19:00.03 | slack101 | it already generated one |
| 19:00.16 | slack101 | i remmeber seeing it and adding it to my lilo config |
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| 19:00.26 | stew | slack101: what did you specify as the root volume? |
| 19:00.32 | slack101 | volume ? |
| 19:00.37 | stew | slack101: partition |
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| 19:00.43 | slack101 | /dev/sda |
| 19:00.54 | stew | slack101: is sda partitioned? |
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| 19:01.04 | slack101 | yes of course |
| 19:01.09 | slack101 | im not that stupid i promise ;) |
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| 19:01.13 | stew | slack101: then /dev/sda is definately the incorrect root volume |
| 19:01.18 | slack101 | this is just my first time doping kerrnel stuff etc |
| 19:01.34 | slack101 | /dev/sda is the drive |
| 19:01.38 | slack101 | my root is /dev/sda1 |
| 19:01.38 | asg | is kernel doping the new E? |
| 19:01.48 | slack101 | ./dev/sda2 thats the swap |
| 19:01.52 | stew | slack101: what is in lilo.conf? |
| 19:02.56 | liable | mmm |
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| 19:03.14 | slack101 | steve, iu will tell you when this damn datacenter boots the system in network distro mode |
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| 19:04.28 | stew | i'm amazed whomever steve is hasn't gotten completely annoyed yet |
| 19:04.33 | liable | i thought sarny was a pommy term? |
| 19:04.36 | stew | he gets hilighted 20-30 times a day instead of me |
| 19:04.47 | stew | now you two are just making words up |
| 19:05.01 | liable | its a real word! |
| 19:05.44 | liable | sort of.. |
| 19:06.01 | xand | sarnie |
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| 19:06.05 | asg | vewnio |
| 19:06.17 | asg | ECHAN |
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| 19:07.15 | liable | xand: thank god for grammar nazis |
| 19:07.31 | liable | asg: which channel does that word make sense? |
| 19:07.57 | liable | add an 'in' to that sentance |
| 19:08.06 | liable | sentence even |
| 19:08.14 | sussudio | %do liable |
| 19:08.28 | liable | oops |
| 19:08.37 | liable | no, me rolls badgers over |
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| 19:09.47 | liable | Piggy: for one so tasty, you should not mention eating peoples bits! |
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| 19:12.21 | wols | liable: pigs are not taste. they are fat, stink, lie in their own feces... |
| 19:12.45 | liable | wols: bacon, ham, pork. i rest my case |
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| 19:13.32 | slack101 | blah these datacenter people take 2 hours to put my server in network boot mode |
| 19:13.42 | liable | <homer> and what is this mythical creature? |
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| 19:14.09 | wols | liable: fat and more fat. ick. I rest my casre |
| 19:14.15 | wols | piggybox: you are fat and you smell! |
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| 19:14.28 | Ronin | yumm bacon, backbacon, pork chops, ham |
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| 19:15.40 | liable | wols: you are even more of a typing tard than me. are you dyslexic or have fat fingers? |
| 19:15.49 | chops | slack101: These datacenter people probably take 1 hour 58 minutes getting other stuff done and then 2 minutes getting to your computer and putting it in network boot mode. It's not like they're just standing around waiting for you to call so they can spring into action :-) |
| 19:16.01 | wols | liable: brain damage. chronic |
| 19:16.04 | liable | i can at leats blame beer for my poor typing :P |
| 19:16.12 | liable | damn |
| 19:16.20 | slack101 | chops, i dont think they like me |
| 19:16.21 | liable | least* |
| 19:16.34 | slack101 | i pay good money to have my shit there |
| 19:16.41 | slack101 | and thyey getting kind of smart |
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| 19:17.06 | stew | slack101: why are you installing debian remotely instead of them installing it for you? |
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| 19:17.43 | liable | thats the smart choice |
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| 19:19.35 | liable | nice to see the channel back in the 800's |
| 19:20.02 | mirf | do you set up WEP configuration in the same way as WPA? |
| 19:20.17 | liable | mirf: you can set wep with iwconfig |
| 19:20.25 | mirf | ooh |
| 19:20.25 | liable | wpa needs wpa-supp |
| 19:20.37 | mirf | yeah I have wpasupplicant installed and it looks like it's happy |
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| 19:20.43 | liable | you can set wep with wpa-supp too |
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| 19:21.03 | slack101 | steve, well man they set me a network booted systme up and tell me to do it |
| 19:21.09 | slack101 | so ican access ot HD etc |
| 19:21.39 | mirf | liable, finds my eth1 but says 'access point' invalid, where should I setup the access point? |
| 19:21.52 | mirf | err, iwconfig finds it |
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| 19:22.23 | mirf | iwlist eth1 scanning shows my network so the card is working :D |
| 19:22.31 | liable | mirf: what commands are you using? |
| 19:22.43 | mirf | those 2 ^^ |
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| 19:23.03 | liable | what two? |
| 19:23.13 | mirf | iwconfig and iwlist |
| 19:23.49 | liable | mirf: and you set the essid and .. ?? |
| 19:23.53 | mirf | can I define wep keys in /etc/networking/interfaces ? |
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| 19:24.15 | mirf | liable, I set up wep key in wpa config file |
| 19:24.21 | mirf | and ssid |
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| 19:24.31 | Jello | let "caty = 44 * 4" works for ints, but what with floats? :s |
| 19:24.47 | deimos_ | karmatronic =) i've sound with acpi=off noapic nolapic in my /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:24.48 | deimos_ | thx |
| 19:24.54 | liable | mirf: just try it without wpa-supp for now |
| 19:24.56 | karmatronic | deimos_: yes ! |
| 19:25.08 | mirf | liable, try what? |
| 19:25.19 | liable | mirf: seting keys and connecting |
| 19:25.20 | karmatronic | deimos_: weird hda-intel chipset |
| 19:25.48 | mirf | liable, do I define keys in /etc/network/interfaces then? |
| 19:26.03 | liable | mirf: no, with iwconfig |
| 19:26.06 | asg | mirf: man 7 wireless |
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| 19:26.18 | stew | deimos_: it would be a shame to loose acpi on a laptop, hopefully it's the apic |
| 19:26.56 | mirf | liable, reading up on iwconfig now, thanks |
| 19:27.11 | liable | mirf: ifconfig <iface> up; iwconfig <iface> essid foo key foo or s:foo |
| 19:27.24 | asg | deep`shit: please turn that off. Thanks. |
| 19:27.31 | deep`shit | OK |
| 19:28.15 | liable | i guess i should have had a bar and bleh in that explanation. |
| 19:28.52 | mirf | :) |
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| 19:29.13 | liable | would have made it much more comprehensable |
| 19:29.18 | mirf | nah I get it |
| 19:29.29 | mirf | it's on iwconfig page too |
| 19:29.32 | mirf | *man |
| 19:29.52 | mirf | thjough I'm starting to think this 300mhz laptop is struggling just having the card in at all |
| 19:30.01 | liable | i was taking the piss on myself |
| 19:30.01 | ma3x | I get messages like this: scsi 1:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device |
| 19:30.01 | ma3x | printk: 34 messages suppressed. |
| 19:30.01 | ma3x | Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 660461 |
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| 19:30.13 | ma3x | does this mean the driver is buggy or the device is fucked up |
| 19:30.44 | abrotman | sounds like the latter |
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| 19:31.25 | liable | funny |
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| 19:31.56 | ma3x | well i have another usb box and its doing the same time |
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| 19:32.06 | anirban | HI |
| 19:32.09 | ma3x | not immediately of course but after few days |
| 19:32.14 | anirban | I am getting this error http://paste.debian.net/31541 |
| 19:32.21 | liable | cycling is back in vogue? |
| 19:32.26 | anirban | while doing aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 19:33.15 | Don`t | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 19:34.08 | stew | anirban: put the output of " apt-cache policy linux-sound-base " into a pastebin |
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| 19:34.54 | stew | liable: i've done it a few times today becuase we've had at least 3 onjoin spammers today |
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| 19:35.46 | liable | stew: i know, you caught the girl one a couple of times, i just couldn't resist when abrotman did it :) |
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| 19:35.58 | ab3l | hi i need a little help : if i do /bin/sh -c vlc it launch vlc but if i create a file called launchvlc with the word '-c vlc' then type 'at -f launchvlc now' (to test) it says it will execute but it doesn't |
| 19:35.58 | SRabbelier | It has been like this in the past few weeks: The following packages have been kept back: "gnome-themes-extras python-apt", is this something I'm doing wrong? :P |
| 19:36.01 | mirf | liable, thank you, worked 1st time |
| 19:36.09 | abrotman | liable: i wanted to catch a girl! |
| 19:36.12 | anirban | here is the result http://paste.debian.net/31542 |
| 19:36.22 | stew | abrotman: do more real life cycling :) |
| 19:36.23 | abrotman | !tell SRabbelier about held back |
| 19:36.25 | liable | abrotman: blame stew! |
| 19:36.29 | abrotman | stew: i went last night! |
| 19:36.32 | anirban | I am using etch but have sid repo in source.lst |
| 19:36.42 | karmatronic | ab3l: launchvlc | at now |
| 19:36.49 | liable | mirf: sweet |
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| 19:37.23 | SRabbelier | abrotman: what I meant more like was, will the dependency be solved anytime soon, as in, another package it depends on hasn't been upgraded yet, or do I have to take action myself as the msg from dpkg suggested? |
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| 19:38.13 | abrotman | SRabbelier: see what happens if you explicitly install one of the packages that is marked as held back |
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| 19:39.08 | ab3l | karmatronic : that executes instantly vlc nomatter the time i say AT |
| 19:39.16 | SRabbelier | !help paster |
| 19:39.23 | abrotman | !paste |
| 19:39.23 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 19:39.44 | stew | abrotman: you should not try to mix unstable/testing pacakges with stable without backporting them; /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:39.47 | stew | anirban: ^^^^ |
| 19:39.51 | stew | abrotman: you shouldn't either |
| 19:39.59 | stew | anirban: what version of libc6 is installed? |
| 19:40.04 | HappyHobo | Hi I'm looking for a kind capable caring person who isn't brand specific to help me with my wireless. |
| 19:40.13 | liable | haha |
| 19:40.14 | SRabbelier | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/31543 |
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| 19:40.44 | stew | HappyHobo: if you have a question just ask it |
| 19:40.46 | liable | HappyHobo: brand as in wireless brand or distro brand? |
| 19:40.54 | HappyHobo | liable: distro brand |
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| 19:41.00 | quitte_ | HappyHobo: what does that mean? your wifi card works only with ndiswrapper? |
| 19:41.11 | xlotlu | is there a way to create a logical volume that fills the entire space left in a VG? |
| 19:41.13 | Thms | Techno|Absent :> |
| 19:41.20 | stew | HappyHobo: you mean you aren't running debian? |
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| 19:41.24 | liable | HappyHobo: well, you should know we are a bit brandphobic here :) |
| 19:41.40 | HappyHobo | quitte_: It recognizes the card, the module is loaded but it won't start the card or recognize the network. |
| 19:42.07 | quitte_ | HappyHobo: is it listed in iwconfig? |
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| 19:42.12 | endra | hey |
| 19:42.18 | liable | bail |
| 19:42.22 | endra | how can I get aptitude to list all ~i but exclude all ~M? |
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| 19:42.42 | stew | endra: aptitude search "~i!~M" |
| 19:42.42 | HappyHobo | quitte_: I don't believe it is |
| 19:42.42 | endra | ~i is all installed, ~M is all automaticly installed.. so it'll leave me with a list of what I specificly asked for (aptitude install foobar) |
| 19:42.43 | apt | You is all installed, ~M is all automaticly installed.. so it'll leave me with a list of what I specificly asked for (aptitude install foobar)? |
| 19:42.45 | abrotman | stew: then i'd be an idiot? :) |
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| 19:42.57 | endra | what/ |
| 19:43.04 | liable | apt: shuddup |
| 19:43.05 | apt | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 19:43.13 | stew | endra: ~ is the trigger for the bot named apt, you can ignore her |
| 19:43.16 | HappyHobo | quitte_: I'm currently using a brand x live cd to work on the wireless on the brand v distribution. |
| 19:43.20 | endra | oh, I see |
| 19:43.25 | endra | Thought it was mocking me :( |
| 19:43.27 | abrotman | SRabbelier: have you run aptitude update lately ? |
| 19:43.28 | stew | abrotman: no it woudn't affect your idiocy, it would ruin your debian |
| 19:43.35 | liable | endra: it was :) |
| 19:43.40 | SRabbelier | abrotman: I just did an apt-get update |
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| 19:44.17 | endra | bash: !~M": event not found |
| 19:44.17 | benkillin | at seemingly random intervals my debian 4.0 install throws a strange error related to IRQ then networking stops working until reboot, here is the error, how do I fix it? irq 139, desc: c030a000, depth: 1, count: 0, unhandled: 0 // -> handle_irq(): 00000000, _stext+0x3feffdc0/0x3c // ->chip(): c02c5460, 0xc02c5460 // ->action(): 00000000 // IRQ_DISABLED set // IRQ_WAITING set // unexpected IRQ trap at vector 8b |
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| 19:44.33 | anirban | apt-cache policy libc6 shows me 2.5-11 |
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| 19:44.45 | quitte_ | HappyHobo: sorry that'S all too vague. can'T help you with believe x and v |
| 19:44.46 | abrotman | stew: hehe |
| 19:44.49 | stew | anirban: ok, so you aren't running etch at all, you are running ustable |
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| 19:44.53 | abrotman | SRabbelier: and you're running unstable ? |
| 19:44.56 | endra | I did 'aptitude search "~i!~M" but.. it said bash: !~M": event not found |
| 19:44.56 | anirban | okay |
| 19:45.06 | liable | benkillin: i would file a bug for that |
| 19:45.09 | stew | silly bash |
| 19:45.14 | HappyHobo | quitte_: you there? |
| 19:45.17 | slack101 | man these datacenter people take freaking forever |
| 19:45.23 | stew | endra: you really had double quotes? try single quotes? |
| 19:45.31 | SRabbelier | abrotman: testing/updates, sid, experimental |
| 19:45.32 | anirban | I think I started with Etch and after updating moved to unstable since I have the sid repo |
| 19:45.39 | abrotman | stew: we tried to do this the other day .. i think we had to do a \ or two |
| 19:45.45 | abrotman | SRabbelier: uhm .. do you do any pinning ? |
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| 19:45.54 | endra | single quotes worked, but it's listing packages I didn't actually.. install |
| 19:45.57 | liable | or croche? |
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| 19:46.11 | asg | liable: jim? |
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| 19:46.16 | SRabbelier | abrotman: what's that again? :$ |
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| 19:46.23 | HappyHobo | liable: care to help? |
| 19:46.28 | stew | endra: do you mean packages that aren't installed? or packages which are installed but not by you? |
| 19:46.45 | abrotman | !tell SRabbelier about pinning |
| 19:46.48 | ab3l | hi i need a little help : if i do /bin/sh -c vlc it launch vlc but if i create a file called launchvlc with the word '-c vlc' then type 'at -f launchvlc.sh now' (to test) it says it will execute but it doesn't |
| 19:46.53 | endra | stew: say I do 'aptitude install foobar' and it installed 100 dependencies, I want to find a list that contains only 'foobar' |
| 19:46.54 | liable | asg: i have an aversion to doing weights |
| 19:47.01 | HappyHobo | i know this is a place to come for capable intelligent linux users. |
| 19:47.11 | liable | oh, jim, not gym? |
| 19:47.14 | SRabbelier | abrotman: i have APT::Default-Release "testing"; set? |
| 19:47.17 | asg | liable: I was talking about gynecology |
| 19:47.19 | endra | stew: I read the aptitude README, and it said ~i is all insatlled, ~M is all automaticly installed.. so logicly, it would be ~i!~M, right? |
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| 19:47.58 | liable | asg: i was talking about needlepoint |
| 19:48.00 | asg | HappyHobo: apropos wireless ; read manpages. Google for 'livecd X wireless'. |
| 19:48.15 | asg | liable: and I was talking about folk music |
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| 19:48.18 | abrotman | SRabbelier: you're trying to pull the unstable python-apt |
| 19:48.23 | stew | endra: you are doing the right query then, the problem is if you do "apt-get install foo" and foo depends on 100 other packages, then it will be the same as if you had explicitly installed all 101 packages becuase apt-get is only just now getting the concept of manual / automatic |
| 19:48.39 | HappyHobo | asg thanks but the live cd works just fine with wireless its my installation that won't |
| 19:48.53 | liable | asg: wanna line dance? |
| 19:48.54 | SRabbelier | abrotman: that's strange, I thought I had it set to that it only downloaded unstable packages if I explicitly told it to.... 0.o |
| 19:49.03 | asg | HappyHobo: the installation of your live cd to a full install? |
| 19:49.06 | anirban | Now is there any way I can solve this problem |
| 19:49.14 | endra | stew: I see. Thank you |
| 19:49.21 | anirban | Infact my machine is running fine |
| 19:49.24 | HappyHobo | asg the installation of an older live cd to a full install |
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| 19:49.27 | asg | liable: only as long as it gets me to a bar. I'll stop there. |
| 19:49.41 | liable | heh |
| 19:49.41 | asg | HappyHobo: Which live cd? Knoppix? |
| 19:49.43 | abrotman | SRabbelier: from what i can tell .. that's what you're trying to do .. apt-cache policy might help you here |
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| 19:50.23 | HappyHobo | asg running on Simply Mepis 6.5.02 now but my install is 3.4.3 because I want the better debian repositories not ubuntu |
| 19:50.30 | endra | stew: one more question actually, I did aptitude search ~c for all config files left on system by removed programs, and it listed 2, so I did aptitude remove package --purge, and it didn't remove it, any idea why |
| 19:50.45 | stew | HappyHobo: please go to #mepis for help with mepis |
| 19:50.47 | asg | HappyHobo: then I'd suggest #mepis |
| 19:50.53 | SRabbelier | abrotman: this help? http://paste.debian.net/31545 |
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| 19:51.01 | HappyHobo | we're dead in the water at the moment asg |
| 19:51.12 | liable | i need to someone to vet my comments before i submit them to #debian |
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| 19:51.36 | HappyHobo | we have 19 users and no one saying squat lol I was hoping for some sympathy. lol |
| 19:51.36 | liable | i look back and realise i may sound a little *unusual* |
| 19:51.40 | stew | endra: you want "aptitude purge packagename" not "aptitude remove packagename --purge" |
| 19:51.54 | stew | HappyHobo: try a mailing list or a web forum, sorry we can't help you here |
| 19:51.59 | liable | but I only like female sheep |
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| 19:52.36 | HappyHobo | stew I'd be tickled pink and happy to run debian from a net install but no matter what I did or do it wouldn't find my synaptics pad mouse |
| 19:52.50 | stew | HappyHobo: aptitude install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
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| 19:53.00 | stew | HappyHobo: /msg dpkg synaptics |
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| 19:53.26 | stew | HappyHobo: i use synaptics under debian on several machines, http://vireo.org/~stew/xorg.conf.dualhead is an example |
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| 19:54.01 | abrotman | SRabbelier: seems like it should be pulling from testing |
| 19:54.06 | abrotman | !tell yang about root |
| 19:54.13 | HappyHobo | We tried that numerous times stew, we tried xorg.conf from live cds that did function, we did lots of unique things |
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| 19:54.28 | ezu5t | is apache2-mod-ssl still available as a package in debian? |
| 19:54.33 | ezu5t | i can't find it anywhere |
| 19:54.38 | ezu5t | [unstable] |
| 19:54.41 | SRabbelier | abrotman: is what i thought too, any debug setting I can ask apt-get for why it's pulling it from unstable? |
| 19:54.48 | stew | ezu5t: its included in apache2 |
| 19:54.55 | abrotman | SRabbelier: apt-cache policy python-apt might be helpful |
| 19:55.02 | liable | HappyHobo: weird, a synaptics touchpad is a simle device supported for a long time |
| 19:55.08 | stew | ezu5t: if you have apache2 installed, run "a2enmod ssl" |
| 19:55.15 | abrotman | liable: unlike your keyboard? |
| 19:55.22 | HappyHobo | it drove us insane |
| 19:55.38 | SRabbelier | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/31546 |
| 19:55.39 | liable | abrotman: my keyboard wroks fnie! |
| 19:55.44 | ezu5t | stew: thanks!!! that's what I needed to know |
| 19:56.12 | anirban | tell me is my problem is due to the linux-sound-base package |
| 19:56.19 | abrotman | stew: you have no beard! |
| 19:56.28 | stew | abrotman: eh? |
| 19:56.30 | anirban | or any other problem |
| 19:56.44 | stew | oh yikes, how do i blogged on intarweb |
| 19:56.58 | abrotman | stew: hehe |
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| 19:57.03 | asg | stew: ikiwiki is the way to go |
| 19:57.05 | liable | a beard doeth maketh the man |
| 19:57.08 | abrotman | SRabbelier: well .. somehow you pulled unstable apt |
| 19:57.15 | abrotman | or rather .. python-apt |
| 19:57.19 | SRabbelier | abrotman: go me? 0.o |
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| 19:57.29 | SRabbelier | abrotman: how I fix it :D |
| 19:57.36 | n0mad | damn. i have a pdf that wants to print itself via java-/ecmascript from adobe reader. why isn´t this working with my debian adobe reader ? (Yes, i have installed the additional packages ) |
| 19:58.22 | abrotman | stew: perhaps you should have cursed Tuomo in the post also :0 |
| 19:58.42 | abrotman | SRabbelier: aptitude -t testing install python-apt .. maybe ? |
| 19:58.59 | stew | abrotman: well, if i had known that this was the first that would show up on planet, i would have referenced the context at least |
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| 19:59.23 | endra | stew: thank you |
| 19:59.44 | liable | i am personally quite shocked to find debiantes are bold faced |
| 19:59.49 | Don`t | .j gangsta |
| 19:59.57 | SRabbelier | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/31547 woot? |
| 19:59.57 | liable | huh? |
| 20:00.03 | stew | endra: by the way, you can use markauto to mark packages as auto-installed after the fact |
| 20:01.17 | slack101 | deboostrap is really for chroot enviroments huh ? |
| 20:01.24 | stew | yes |
| 20:01.31 | Kevin` | debootstrap is for any environment |
| 20:01.34 | Kevin` | no reason you can't use it for an install |
| 20:01.41 | slack101 | casue i made a deboostrap to use on my real server and like nothing is configured |
| 20:01.55 | stew | Kevin`: he means as opposed to installing right overtop of some existing install |
| 20:02.02 | slack101 | from ftab to network to everything |
| 20:02.16 | Kevin` | i've used it for several installs. yes, you do have to configure things =p |
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| 20:02.24 | h3sp4wn | slack101: The grml wrapper for debootstrap is quite nice to use (installs pure debian) |
| 20:02.28 | asg | stew: oooooh, I didn't know you were working on tritium. Neat |
| 20:02.38 | h3sp4wn | slack101: (does most of what base-config did etc) |
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| 20:02.46 | slack101 | what is gml ? |
| 20:02.54 | liable | debootstrap can be painfull |
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| 20:03.07 | slack101 | yes it can |
| 20:03.08 | liable | its like debians version of gentoo |
| 20:03.26 | stew | asg: yeah, tuomo was getting very nasty with me, and I can't justify using his software anymore |
| 20:03.42 | stew | except i have to fix my wife's install of ion3 tonight |
| 20:04.17 | stew | and i am still using ion3 on my desktop until i get xinerama support into tritium |
| 20:04.17 | asg | stew: I moved from ion2 especially after the licensing deal. Does it compile on etch? |
| 20:04.30 | liable | i spose you make your wife clean your clothes on a rock down the river too? |
| 20:04.42 | stew | asg: tritium? yes, requires python2.2 |
| 20:04.44 | edistar | can one see the speed of cp? |
| 20:05.00 | asg | stew: ah, cool. |
| 20:05.57 | stew | asg: its pure python, requires plwm which is not in debian yet, currently you configure it by writing a python class. debs here: http://vireo.org/debian/tritium/ |
| 20:06.30 | asg | stew: flux + a lot of sh scripts has pretty much replaced what I was doing with ion. I'll take a look though, I'm pretty familiar with python. |
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| 20:06.57 | stew | asg: (and the config as shipped in the deb has must things bound to Mod4 which not many people have but i have bound to super) |
| 20:07.11 | LyleM | i'm trying to install nvidia drivers with debian testing but it says it has unmet depends, http://pastebin.com/937806 |
| 20:07.28 | stew | oh, hmm, i don't have plwm up there |
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| 20:07.42 | stew | i need to file an itp for that |
| 20:07.53 | asg | stew: no worries, I can get it from sf |
| 20:08.01 | grendal_prime | whats the name of that curses based init.d editor? |
| 20:08.09 | asg | grendal_prime: rcconf |
| 20:09.00 | asg | grendal_prime: or sysv-rc-conf |
| 20:09.02 | grendal_prime | and is anyone any good with remote syslogging....i have some things that need to send stuff to a remote syslog server via a vpn, but for some reason the scripts are not running after the vpn is established, so, well the syslogs do not get sent |
| 20:09.18 | slack101 | whats the best way to save a bunch of shell logins so you cna easily login to them without having to enter the username location and password each time ? |
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| 20:09.29 | stew | asg: there now |
| 20:09.44 | asg | slack101: ssh + keys + editing .ssh/config |
| 20:10.23 | slack101 | if thier anyway out there i can have something where i can jus see a list of my ssh servers and click and automatically login to all of them |
| 20:10.38 | asg | stew: thanks |
| 20:10.59 | slack101 | or login to the one i click |
| 20:13.22 | edistar | how can I speed up the nfs transfers? I only get about 14mb/sek in a gbit network.. |
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| 20:16.30 | liable | slack101: that would be a silly idea |
| 20:16.39 | slack101 | huh ? |
| 20:16.56 | liable | exactly |
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| 20:17.31 | liable | thats what i thought when you said "can i just automatically log in to my servers" |
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| 20:18.30 | Jello | mm, have PHP problem :( |
| 20:18.32 | Jello | I mean |
| 20:18.37 | Jello | PHP execute a command |
| 20:18.41 | Jello | but php must be root |
| 20:18.45 | Jello | for that command |
| 20:18.46 | Jello | :s |
| 20:18.49 | Jello | (just 'ifconfig' |
| 20:18.53 | Jello | any idea? |
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| 20:19.01 | slack101 | liable, i mean i could make a script or something hmmm kinda the way winscp does putty integration for windows |
| 20:19.10 | asg | Jello: then use sudo(1) to give certain users/groups access to run the command as root |
| 20:19.52 | liable | slack101: you want to connect without a password or passphrase? |
| 20:20.13 | slack101 | after i already have typed it in and saved it |
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| 20:20.25 | liable | slack101: you can do passwordles key logins, but that quite silly |
| 20:20.26 | slack101 | liable, im saying i want ot be able to reconnect |
| 20:20.32 | Jello | asg: do you have a preview? do I need to do 'sudo... :\' |
| 20:20.36 | slack101 | just ofr this computer l;ol |
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| 20:20.47 | Pizzario | http://dtc59.miniville.fr/ debian news site |
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| 20:20.57 | leming | Jello, remember that ifconfig can modify your network settings, so you may want to investigate read-only options if it isn't your intention to give others full access to your network configuration |
| 20:20.57 | liable | slack101: i dont understand what you mean |
| 20:21.08 | liable | leming: huh? |
| 20:21.20 | Maerz | hmm my direct rending doesn't work |
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| 20:21.22 | stew | Jello: why are you planning to do with ifconfig from php? |
| 20:21.26 | leming | ? |
| 20:21.29 | Maerz | using the savage driver |
| 20:21.31 | liable | thats insane |
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| 20:21.45 | Jello | well, it's a lan server, I want to see the traffic, the command that calculate the traffic works |
| 20:21.45 | ma3x | how do i change the MHz of my CPU? what kernel commands do i send to it |
| 20:22.31 | Jello | but now I want to show it via PHP and 'ifconfig' returns '' |
| 20:22.31 | asg | Jello: essentially, you write a wrapper script that does what you want (after checking the environment for malfeasance, etc.) and allow the www-data (presuming you are doing this via a webpage) user to execute that script as root (by editing /etc/sudoers. The manpage has plenty of examples) |
| 20:22.31 | leming | Jello, there are /sys items that will allow you to track bandwidth |
| 20:22.31 | abrotman | stew: hehe |
| 20:22.31 | liable | iptraf graphs that shit quite nicely |
| 20:22.31 | stew | Jello: you want to use ifconfig to change something about networking? or just to display something? |
| 20:22.33 | abrotman | stew: i didn't even realize you were blogging |
| 20:22.38 | Jello | stew, just read, show something |
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| 20:22.44 | asg | Jello: oh, if you are just using it to get data, use the full path. /sbin/ifconfig as any user |
| 20:22.48 | stew | Jello: then you don't need root access |
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| 20:23.14 | asg | abrotman: he snuck in the back door on us |
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| 20:23.24 | liable | ... |
| 20:23.24 | Jello | o, asg , thanks |
| 20:23.24 | abrotman | asg: you and stew can keep that private! |
| 20:23.26 | stew | damog did it |
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| 20:23.37 | Jello | now also in my command.. curious |
| 20:23.44 | asg | stew: damog looks like he ate well at DC7 :) |
| 20:23.44 | abrotman | stew: oh come on .. that's crazy talk |
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| 20:24.15 | ab3l | hi, if ido a script let's say called foo.sh how do i tell 'at' to execute it at a specified time ? mean if i do ./foo.sh | at 2230 - it is ran immediately - if i do echo foo.sh | at 2230 - it is never executed - if ido at -f record.sh 2230 it is nevere executed |
| 20:24.25 | liable | asg: i thought you were heading over that way? |
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| 20:24.53 | asg | liable: I may be in .uk in two weeks unless local conditions change. Then in .es for two weeks after. |
| 20:25.17 | Lunar_Lamp | How do I copy a default bashrc etc into a users new home dir? Whereabouts in /etc/ are those thigs located? |
| 20:25.30 | asg | Lunar_Lamp: /etc/skel |
| 20:25.36 | Lunar_Lamp | asg, thanks:-) |
| 20:26.03 | ab3l | hi, if i do a script let's say called foo.sh how do i tell 'at' to execute it at a specified time ? mean if i do ./foo.sh | at 2230 - it is ran immediately - if i do echo foo.sh | at 2230 - it is never executed - if ido at -f record.sh 2230 it is never executed ? |
| 20:26.11 | njoyce | how do I force a package to install it's config files? |
| 20:26.24 | asg | njoyce: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 20:26.29 | liable | njoyce: ask it nicely |
| 20:27.05 | njoyce | asg: thanks |
| 20:27.16 | Maerz | my direct rendering doesn't work with the savage driver D: |
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| 20:27.39 | liable | Edulix: i am hitting the sack, gl |
| 20:27.44 | Edulix2 | liable: downloaded ;-). so wireless-dev tree is supposed to contain the support for my card already. but probably it doesn't come with initrd support etc does it? |
| 20:27.49 | asg | brb, some guys are washing my house ... wtf?!? |
| 20:28.01 | Edulix2 | liable: have a nice night |
| 20:28.06 | Maerz | do i have to activate sth in my xorg.xonf ? |
| 20:28.13 | liable | Edulix2: dont make an initrd if you compile a kernel |
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| 20:28.22 | Edulix2 | liable: ok |
| 20:28.44 | liable | just compile the shit you *really* need into the kernel |
| 20:29.10 | liable | like, your hd controller, fs driver and thats about it |
| 20:29.16 | balzar | i have a problem using my sound card as a normal user. when i run alsamixer i get: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device. i have tried all the stuff i found on google but to no avail. has something to do with how udev handles devices. any ideas? |
| 20:29.19 | Jello | thanxs erveryone |
| 20:29.23 | Jello | it work |
| 20:29.39 | damog | asg: do i? |
| 20:29.46 | Jello | now I have on the site (lan-site) a table with the traffic of today :) |
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| 20:30.07 | liable | hehe |
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| 20:30.37 | abrotman | asg: they have to get the smell off somehow |
| 20:30.58 | liable | asg: your busted for saying "damog looks like a fat bastard" :) |
| 20:31.12 | liable | in a round about way |
| 20:31.23 | Edulix2 | liable: well but then I need to think! :P |
| 20:31.26 | damog | Heh. |
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| 20:31.48 | Edulix2 | liable: explained better: it takes more time |
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| 20:32.01 | ab3l | hi, if i do a script let's say called foo.sh how do i tell 'at' to execute it at a specified time ? mean if i do ./foo.sh | at 2230 - it is ran immediately - if i do echo foo.sh | at 2230 - it is never executed - if ido at -f record.sh 2230 it is never executed ? |
| 20:32.02 | liable | Edulix2: god help us if we need to think |
| 20:32.19 | njoyce | I have upgraded exim4 to 4.67-4 without reading the docs and ignored the changes to the conf files, exim4 will now not start, how do I force the replacement of the config files (I can make my local amends again)? |
| 20:32.27 | Edulix2 | liable: ;) |
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| 20:33.34 | Bi||aBong | i burn a dvd with *.vob files and others but this don't run |
| 20:33.51 | Ramon | hello... Im having some issues installing debian or any debian based distro :S it always gives me a bootrap error even though the distros are the latest releases |
| 20:34.08 | Ramon | debootstrap sorry |
| 20:34.33 | Ramon | and it happens only when its installing the base system |
| 20:35.08 | Ramon | so can somebody please help me... i don't know what else to do |
| 20:35.11 | Maerz | i don't get it |
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| 20:35.43 | Maerz | the log of Xorg says "LoadModule: dri ...." and still glxinfo says no direct rendering |
| 20:36.07 | Ramon | maerz... yeah, let me explain... I'm trying to install debian (also tried with different debian based distros like ubuntu, kubuntu ubuntu lite etc...) and all of them gives me debootstrap error when it is instaling the base system even tho it is well partitioned |
| 20:36.10 | ezu5t | I need to get apt-transport-https for stable... Is there an older versioon of this package available somewhere? http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/apt-transport-https |
| 20:36.22 | liable | Bi||aBong: how did you burn? |
| 20:36.42 | Maerz | oh i was refering to my problem :D Ramon |
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| 20:36.50 | Ramon | sorry |
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| 20:36.56 | Ramon | so.. anyone could assist me? |
| 20:37.13 | liable | Ramon: and which distro's have you tried? |
| 20:37.16 | abrotman | Maerz: look farther down .. it might unload it |
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| 20:37.36 | Ramon | debian, ubuntu, kubuntu, ubuntu lite... all of them latest releases.. tried alternate and netinst |
| 20:37.39 | Ramon | it happens with all of them |
| 20:37.44 | abrotman | what hardware is it ? |
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| 20:37.59 | Ramon | pentium 3 500 mhz, 128 ram |
| 20:38.03 | Ramon | 10 gb hd |
| 20:38.15 | Ramon | i installed it on a 200 mhz with 64 ram and it goes fine |
| 20:38.17 | abrotman | i'd refuse to work too! |
| 20:38.20 | Ramon | so don't know what the heck is the issue |
| 20:38.25 | abrotman | it can't boot off CD ? |
| 20:38.28 | Maerz | abrotman nope, thats the only place where dri is mentioned |
| 20:38.37 | abrotman | Maerz: paste your whole log somewhere |
| 20:38.38 | Edulix2 | liable: where in menuconfig can I find the zd1211rw option? |
| 20:38.38 | Cripps | has anyone gotten svideo out working on a relatively modern ati card without using the fglrx module? |
| 20:38.40 | liable | asg: send em round to wash meh belly when there done with your trailer |
| 20:38.41 | Ramon | it boots with the cd... but when it is installing the base system gives me a debootstrap error |
| 20:38.42 | Maerz | ok |
| 20:38.54 | Edulix2 | Generic IEEE 802.11 Networking Stack (mac80211) ? |
| 20:38.58 | liable | Edulix2: i would imagine in the wireless bit |
| 20:39.02 | Bi||aBong | i burn the *.vob and others files like a data dvd |
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| 20:39.20 | liable | Edulix2: nope |
| 20:39.32 | liable | Edulix2: but you will need that |
| 20:39.40 | Ramon | liable can we speak private?.. it is hard for me to follow.. i have visual issues haha |
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| 20:39.46 | liable | Edulix2: in device drivers |
| 20:39.53 | liable | Ramon: nope |
| 20:40.24 | Edulix2 | liable: ok let me check |
| 20:40.28 | liable | i have visual issues myself |
| 20:40.29 | Ramon | so what should i do? |
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| 20:41.19 | liable | Ramon: i dont really know, if it hangs on all installers, it doesnt sound to good |
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| 20:41.34 | Ramon | but it works with fedora, mandriva etc |
| 20:41.34 | Ramon | :S |
| 20:41.42 | liable | hrm |
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| 20:41.46 | Edulix2 | liable: under device drivers > usb support I suppose |
| 20:41.47 | abrotman | Ramon: maybe try the sarge installer then dist-upgrade ? |
| 20:41.54 | Ramon | liable: so it is something like debian doesn't like my computer or something |
| 20:42.07 | Cremepuff222 | Is peterS here? |
| 20:42.09 | Ramon | right now im downloading the latest ubuntu release :S to give a try... |
| 20:42.17 | liable | Edulix2: i havent ever had that hardware, so i dont really know |
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| 20:42.27 | Edulix2 | oh ok |
| 20:42.29 | abrotman | Cremepuff222: he might be sleeping .. do you have a question ? |
| 20:42.37 | liable | Ramon: its not that debian doesnt like you |
| 20:42.38 | wols | Ramon: giw di yiz cibbect ti the internet? |
| 20:42.39 | Cremepuff222 | Yes, for him. |
| 20:42.49 | wols | Ramon: how do you connect to the internet? |
| 20:42.52 | Ramon | hahaha i know.. just kidding but it is weird |
| 20:42.56 | Ramon | dsl 1mb |
| 20:42.57 | Maerz | abrotman here it is http://paste.debian.net/31549 |
| 20:43.00 | liable | Ramon: but we can learn if you are gonna be a ubuntu user :P |
| 20:43.06 | Cremepuff222 | Thanks anyway, abrotman. |
| 20:43.12 | abrotman | Cremepuff222: if it's a Debian question .. you could ask all of us |
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| 20:43.17 | karsten | wols: *I* connect to the Internet through the voices in my head. |
| 20:43.20 | Cremepuff222 | No, it's not. |
| 20:43.26 | abrotman | bonus points if you can get 800 nicks on one line! |
| 20:43.27 | wols | karsten: but you are crazy |
| 20:43.29 | njoyce | I have upgraded exim4 to 4.67-4 without reading the docs and ignored the changes to the conf files, exim4 will now not start, how do I force the replacement of the config files (I can make my local amends again)? |
| 20:43.29 | Cremepuff222 | Well, bye then. |
| 20:43.32 | streuner | karsten: omg |
| 20:43.32 | liable | karsten: you too!? |
| 20:43.37 | Ramon | liable: yeah but the thing is that i don't like ubuntu hahaha i always loved debian |
| 20:43.43 | Ramon | i want debian on the computer not ubuntu jaja |
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| 20:43.53 | Edulix2 | liable: I found it ;) |
| 20:43.54 | karsten | wols: Don't knock it, it pays the bills. |
| 20:43.57 | wols | !tell njoyce about confmiss |
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| 20:44.03 | liable | !win Edulix2 |
| 20:44.03 | dpkg | Congratulations, Edulix2! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 20:44.03 | abrotman | Maerz: (EE) SAVAGE(0): Insufficient Videoram available for 3D -- Try a lower color depth or smaller desktop. For integrated savages try increasing the videoram in the BIOS. |
| 20:44.05 | Solozerk | hi. |
| 20:44.12 | abrotman | Maerz: line 805 |
| 20:44.29 | Maerz | doh ! |
| 20:44.39 | liable | i just nmapped karsten's head.. it wasnt pretty.. |
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| 20:44.59 | Edulix2 | lol |
| 20:45.04 | streuner | hehe |
| 20:45.16 | karsten | liable: FYI, my head is a honeypot. |
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| 20:45.24 | Maerz | ty abrotman . Guess i should be able to read O_o |
| 20:45.35 | Sergo | anyone know how to raise mouse accuracy in linux? |
| 20:45.36 | liable | karsten: yes, and its quite gooey |
| 20:45.43 | abrotman | Maerz: i'd guess if you can configure that in your bios .. up it to 24 or 32 |
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| 20:46.06 | karsten | Sergo: There's a number of options to configure sensitivity and acceleration in xorg.conf |
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| 20:46.28 | h3sp4wn | Sergo: You can set resolution as well if you need to |
| 20:46.39 | Ramon | no im doomed right? |
| 20:46.59 | h3sp4wn | Sergo: e.g - Option "Resolution" "1000" (My mouse has a resolution of 1000 dpi) |
| 20:47.15 | Sergo | sec |
| 20:47.24 | karsten | Sergo: Some of this is documented under /usr/share/doc/*xorg*, but it's a bit warty. |
| 20:47.39 | Maerz | abrotman can'T find such an option :( |
| 20:47.40 | karsten | liable: *groovey*, damnit, not gooey. |
| 20:47.49 | slack101 | whats the website that has real small pc's ? |
| 20:47.59 | karsten | slack101: gumstix |
| 20:48.07 | slack101 | like the case is really small |
| 20:48.09 | Ramon | any other linux distro I can try for old computer? |
| 20:48.09 | slack101 | not those |
| 20:48.14 | liable | karsten: oh, i was sure i heard bees humming in there |
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| 20:48.17 | karsten | slack101: CappuccinoPC ? |
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| 20:48.38 | Sergo | h3sp4wn: sorry, where to set Option "Resolution" "1000" in xorg.conf? |
| 20:48.44 | karsten | liable: That's not humming, it's a poetry slam. |
| 20:48.55 | slack101 | well i need one where i can connect like 5 servers too to use as a remote console |
| 20:49.16 | karsten | slack101: http://www.cappuccinopc.com/ |
| 20:49.23 | Sergo | karsten: i don't have such option in xorg.conf |
| 20:49.27 | Sergo | =] |
| 20:49.29 | yetifoot | can anyone help with this? I'm trying to rip all the .deb files from a directory tree, and copy them to another dir, i've got this far but even the man page i don't understand for how to do the copy with xargs find | grep '.*\.deb' | xargs -L 50 cp <bleh!> /home/debs/ |
| 20:49.37 | Bi||aBong | i burn a dvd with *.vob files an others but this don't run |
| 20:49.50 | Bi||aBong | i burn a dvd like a data dvd |
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| 20:50.02 | karsten | yetifoot: find . -name \*.deb |
| 20:50.10 | h3sp4wn | Sergo: It depends what resolution your mouse is don't just guess |
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| 20:50.15 | slack101 | whats the best way to have a remote console via a COM port ? |
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| 20:50.34 | wols | slack101: the client or the server side? |
| 20:50.35 | yetifoot | karsten, thanks, do you know how the get the cp bit to work? |
| 20:50.35 | h3sp4wn | Sergo: (input device -> mouse that bit) |
| 20:50.39 | helo_ | i just did an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade, and now X fails saying it can't find the default font 'fixed'... anyone? |
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| 20:50.54 | wols | !tell helo_ about fixed |
| 20:50.55 | slack101 | wols, to put next to the servers |
| 20:50.58 | karsten | yetifoot: ... for starters. Or you could use rsync's '--include <pattern>': rsync --include=\*.dpkg <source> <destination> |
| 20:51.11 | wols | slack101: usually minicom or screen are used as clientas |
| 20:51.26 | edistar | is centericq still secure? |
| 20:51.34 | yetifoot | karsten, ok, i'll look into rsync, i've heard about that before thanks |
| 20:51.43 | Sergo | h3sp4wn: okay, i need to put there there "set Option "Resolution" "1000" |
| 20:51.49 | karsten | yetifoot: Otherwise: cp $( find . -name \*.deb ) <remote> (so long as the list is reasonably sized. You can also play with xargs, but rsync's probably easier. |
| 20:51.50 | slack101 | i have 5 servers i am going to buy a mini pc as a remote console so i can access / help the 5 servers if anything happens to them |
| 20:51.54 | liable | karsten: yes, keep thinking that my pretty.. i asked Lewis Carrol and he was shivering after he went there |
| 20:51.56 | Sergo | of |
| 20:51.59 | Ramon | k thx :S |
| 20:51.59 | Sergo | without set |
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| 20:52.02 | karsten | Sergo: In the Pointer section of your xorg.conf |
| 20:52.11 | yetifoot | karsten, ah ok, yes the list is too big for a cp |
| 20:52.21 | karsten | Sergo: erm, InputDevice |
| 20:52.29 | DarthEzekiel | anyone want to sign up to the Serial e-zine |
| 20:52.36 | liable | no |
| 20:52.46 | cydork | DarthEzekiel: stop trollling!! |
| 20:52.50 | DarthEzekiel | :O |
| 20:52.52 | Sergo | karsten ok thanks, and this will raise mouse accuracy? i need this for counter-strike .. |
| 20:53.12 | Bi||aBong | somebody can help me? |
| 20:53.14 | liable | of course |
| 20:53.20 | DarthEzekiel | Serial e-zine is basically a collection of all my irc logs dating back to 2002 |
| 20:53.30 | karsten | slack101: server-side (WRT remote console): run a getty on the comport, probably mgetty. In /etc/inittab. You'll have to 'init q' to get changes to apply. Remotely: I tend to prefer minicom, though screen can also do it. |
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| 20:53.47 | liable | DarthEzekiel: and why would we want to sign up? |
| 20:53.49 | karsten | Sergo: Dunno, but it's probably the right direction. |
| 20:53.49 | slack101 | minicom ? |
| 20:54.00 | alxb | hi, what's the content of the second and third dvd of etch? |
| 20:54.02 | utopia_ | i just finished writing a perl bot to log IRC conversations, but at the same time, why the fu*k do people log IRC chats ? 8-) |
| 20:54.04 | wols | DarthEzekiel: stop spamming. and go away |
| 20:54.07 | slack101 | whats a good way to connect 5 servers to 1 small one ? |
| 20:54.13 | Sergo | thanks |
| 20:54.15 | DarthEzekiel | liable its as close to reading an every last detail biography you can get |
| 20:54.27 | karsten | DarthEzekiel: Off topic. |
| 20:54.28 | Sergo | i always join debian channel for support, this is best support.. |
| 20:54.36 | Sergo | here* |
| 20:54.38 | Sergo | =) |
| 20:54.46 | DarthEzekiel | the log also spans past 2002 to the point of 1997 |
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| 20:54.52 | utopia_ | wols, i finished that bot without an IRC module in the end =) |
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| 20:55.00 | DarthEzekiel | one long continuous log |
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| 20:55.03 | dnanar | hi all ! |
| 20:55.04 | liable | DarthEzekiel: but.. we dont care :) |
| 20:55.27 | DarthEzekiel | the log in total is about 12gb |
| 20:55.29 | wols | liable: we do care. he is violating a copyright publishing our works if he logs #debian |
| 20:55.45 | liable | my memory only goes back 6 weeks or so, and thats way too far |
| 20:55.52 | cydork | wols: he didn't say #debian logs :P |
| 20:56.00 | karsten | DarthEzekiel: This is off topic and my next recommendation is for an op ban. Hush, child. |
| 20:56.12 | wols | cydork: pint. but qwhatever logs he has: he is violating copyrights |
| 20:56.16 | liable | dont say a word |
| 20:56.28 | utopia_ | what a waste of space, 12gb! what i'd do with an extra 12gb..man |
| 20:56.43 | liable | yeah? |
| 20:56.45 | slack101 | hmmm |
| 20:56.45 | alxb | what's on the second and third dvd of etch, do I really need them? |
| 20:56.46 | DarthEzekiel | wols that would fall under wiretapping, and no it is not illegal |
| 20:56.47 | liable | what? |
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| 20:57.00 | slack101 | wols, maybe i should just use gentoo lol its always works hmmmm |
| 20:57.13 | wols | DarthEzekiel: what i write is my copyright. I am no person of piblic interes. ergo: copyright |
| 20:57.18 | liable | thats a bad ploy |
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| 20:57.29 | liable | wols: wrong |
| 20:57.31 | wols | slack101: feel free. and don't let the door hit you on your way out |
| 20:57.37 | abrotman | liable: depends on the country |
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| 20:57.43 | quitte_ | that's a very us centric way to interprete this |
| 20:57.48 | utopia_ | how can you copyright 'advice' ;-\ |
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| 20:57.56 | slack101 | wols, well i like debian but debian is not really made for this i dont think |
| 20:58.01 | utopia_ | a full tutorial/how-to, yeah |
| 20:58.06 | utopia_ | but advice ;-\ |
| 20:58.06 | liable | abrotman: dont get me started on your laws :) |
| 20:58.07 | abrotman | utopia_: Dear Abby ? |
| 20:58.16 | abrotman | liable: at least we didn't ban video games! |
| 20:58.23 | utopia_ | abrotman, lol |
| 20:58.27 | liable | abrotman: we did? |
| 20:58.27 | karsten | alxb: Use netinst if possible. Packages on CDs / DVDs are ranked by popularity, most important packages first. |
| 20:58.28 | cydork | who banned video games?? |
| 20:58.29 | quitte_ | from a german standpoint having those logs is a violation of privacy protection laws if it belongs to a company |
| 20:58.44 | Sergo | DarthEzekiel: #debian-offtopic |
| 20:58.49 | wols | quitte_: having isn't publishing them is |
| 20:58.50 | karsten | alxb: In short: probably not, depends on your specific situation. |
| 20:58.52 | abrotman | liable: you didn't |
| 20:58.58 | Sergo | DarthEzekiel for offtop join #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:59.04 | karsten | !ops DarthEzekiel consistently offtopic |
| 20:59.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: karsten complains about: DarthEzekiel consistently offtopic |
| 20:59.06 | DarthEzekiel | wols you cant copyright what goes on in interaction unless it occurs in a studio of some kind |
| 20:59.08 | alxb | thanks |
| 20:59.18 | liable | karsten: not really needed |
| 20:59.24 | quitte_ | wols: a private person here may have such logs. a company ha to delete them after 2 or 3 years |
| 20:59.26 | dnanar | I'm looking for an advanced configuration of sshd: how to do a "personnal ssh access" for each user, i mean that each user can connect to a personnal directory, a bit like a "real user". does anyone has understood me and may help me please ? =) |
| 20:59.52 | quitte_ | wols: also a company hasto give me all data they have about me if i ask for it |
| 21:00.00 | wols | quitte_: I know |
| 21:00.03 | alxb | I was hoping dvd3 contains srcs or something |
| 21:00.05 | xand | dnanar: how is an ssh user different from any other? |
| 21:00.05 | karsten | dnanar: Sounds like a chroot jail shell. |
| 21:00.06 | nofxxx | dnanar, that how it works |
| 21:00.10 | Solozerk | dnanar > why don't you create real users ? |
| 21:00.27 | karsten | alxb: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html |
| 21:00.33 | dnanar | karsten: huh ? |
| 21:00.35 | DarthEzekiel | wols since you do not have a legal contract with freenode as your distributor, the interaction here is not legally valid as the work of a production studio |
| 21:00.54 | karsten | alxb: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 21:00.54 | dnanar | Solozerk: well how to do this but with ssh ? |
| 21:01.00 | liable | DarthEzekiel: drop it, and wols also |
| 21:01.00 | abrotman | DarthEzekiel: please drop it |
| 21:01.02 | xand | anything you create is copyrighted by default |
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| 21:01.13 | karsten | DarthEzekiel: A: You're wrong. B. You're offtopic. |
| 21:01.20 | liable | anything you say here is public though |
| 21:01.22 | DarthEzekiel | xand drop it too :( |
| 21:01.24 | naitram | trying to get my ntp server and clients working. Client request with flag 0x0b, server responds with flags 0xcc and INIT as the reference ID. Anyone know if this is correct operation? |
| 21:01.47 | GNUtoo-laptop | hello.i want to netinstall debian in qemu under gentoo...do someone know how to make the tun/tap network work easely? |
| 21:01.49 | Solozerk | dnanar > ssh users *are* real users |
| 21:02.02 | karsten | DarthEzekiel: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000102----000-.html |
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| 21:02.41 | abrotman | karsten: nice dropping! |
| 21:02.49 | dnanar | Solozerk: ah ok. But so how can we do with RSA keys for authentification please ? |
| 21:02.58 | karsten | abrotman: Hope you don't mind wiping up after me. |
| 21:03.01 | xand | !ssh key |
| 21:03.05 | xand | !ssh keys |
| 21:03.05 | dpkg | ssh keys is, like, http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ |
| 21:03.09 | liable | ikky |
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| 21:03.24 | Solozerk | xand just answered you :] |
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| 21:04.09 | liable | just because the bot said so doesnt mean its right |
| 21:04.34 | slack101 | wols, i will jus stick with debian :P |
| 21:05.47 | dnanar | xand: huh ok but, i didn't see how to use keys with different accounts, i am blind ? |
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| 21:06.10 | xand | dnanar: what do you mean? |
| 21:06.22 | xand | how it be any different using it from one account to another? |
| 21:06.35 | karsten | dnanar: Explain your usage pattern. |
| 21:06.51 | xand | !wayttd dnanar |
| 21:06.51 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, dnanar? |
| 21:07.34 | karsten | dnanar: Your local private keys list can be used on any of the remote hosts you connect to. The remote host's authorized_keys file (for a given user) lists the public part of the key that is allowed to connect to that account. |
| 21:07.42 | dnanar | well, i would like to use several ssh accounts on the same server using RSA/DSA authetifications key method. |
| 21:07.54 | JosefAssad | this question makes me feel old; what'ß the equivalent of makewhatis nowadays? |
| 21:08.36 | karsten | dnanar: You personally want to use several remote accounts, or you want to configure several different people's accounts for one corresponding account each on the remote server? |
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| 21:09.17 | karsten | dnanar: Either way, the answer is pretty much the same: copy the public part of the RSA key from your local account, to $USER/.ssh/authorized_keys on the remote system. |
| 21:09.18 | dnanar | karsten: i want to configure several different people's accounts for one corresponding account each on the remote server |
| 21:09.26 | karsten | dnanar: See above. |
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| 21:09.59 | Maerz | abrotman it finally says (II) SAVAGE(0): Direct rendering enabled, however, it still says direct rendering: no, i guess because this log entry :: (EE) AIGLX error: drmMap of framebuffer failed (Invalid argument)(EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering |
| 21:10.52 | abrotman | Maerz: i'd ahve to see the whole log again |
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| 21:11.06 | abrotman | Maerz: or try disabling aiglx .. then see what happens ? |
| 21:11.40 | Maerz | in the xorg.xonf aiglx isn't enabled, only glx |
| 21:12.19 | dnanar | karsten: it seems pretty simple but i dont understand. If i have got a computer called A which runs sshd, whith accounts 1 and 2. How to set up that machine B and C can connect to A through ssh using account 1 and 2 ? B and C must have different public key OR the same public key ? A must have a private key for each account ? |
| 21:13.06 | abrotman | Maerz: uhm ok |
| 21:13.21 | Cripps | grr .. stupid ati and their stupid proprietary drivers :/ |
| 21:13.24 | Maerz | i am pasting the config, hold on |
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| 21:13.43 | abrotman | config or log ? |
| 21:13.55 | abrotman | Cripps: you could buy something else :) |
| 21:13.55 | Maerz | ah i mean log... or both ? |
| 21:13.59 | abrotman | log for now |
| 21:14.13 | Cripps | abrotman, would if I could, but it's a laptop :( |
| 21:14.14 | karsten | dnanar: You can use the same RSA key to access multiple remote systems, and/or remote accounts at one or more systems. |
| 21:15.00 | abrotman | Cripps: ew |
| 21:15.06 | Maerz | abrotman http://paste.debian.net/31553 |
| 21:15.09 | abrotman | Cripps: AFAIK . you need fglrx for tvout |
| 21:15.10 | dnanar | huh i didn't understand this sentence karsten =( |
| 21:15.12 | karsten | dnanar: What's required is that the person (say, Anne) trying to access remotehost have an RSA key with the private part local, and the public part in account@remotehost's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file. |
| 21:15.28 | Cripps | abrotman, everything I've read has also lead me to that conclusion ... |
| 21:15.29 | karsten | dnanar: You may have multiple authorized keys, from multiple users, in any given account. |
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| 21:15.49 | Cripps | abrotman, *sigh* I guess that'll be the only non-free piece of crap on my lappy. |
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| 21:16.05 | Maerz | abrotman oh is int10 aiglx? didn't know that |
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| 21:16.44 | karsten | dnanar: You can also share RSA keys among several users, but I wouldn't recommend doing this. It's far easier to generate a keypair for each person and control access specifically via the keys. Eg: if you want to remove Anne's access, you search for her public key in all ~/.ssh/authorized_keys files and delete the entry. |
| 21:16.45 | dnanar | karsten: ahh ok i understood =) and heuh.... how to implement the server in this case please ? how to set up the rights for the user, his home directory, etc... please ? |
| 21:17.04 | dnanar | ok =) |
| 21:17.06 | karsten | dnanar: Either have your users generate keys, or generate the keys for them. |
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| 21:17.43 | karsten | dnanar: Either way, put Anne's *public* key in the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file of each account, on each server, you want to provide her with access to. |
| 21:17.58 | ricky | /whosi karsten |
| 21:17.59 | ricky | Whoops. |
| 21:18.12 | abrotman | Maerz: nope .. i odn't get it .. should be fine |
| 21:18.15 | ricky | OK.. you're not the karsten that I know :( |
| 21:18.21 | pegue | is it possible to do a "downgrade"? |
| 21:18.26 | abrotman | no |
| 21:18.28 | karsten | dnanar: I'm a big fan of not sharing accounts or access tokens among users, BTW. Use sudo and assign users specific accounts as necessary. |
| 21:18.31 | karsten | pegue: No. |
| 21:18.32 | karsten | !downgrade |
| 21:18.32 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 21:19.27 | dnanar | karsten: ok so, on the server i create an "Anne" account, i put Anne's public key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys and give to anne the private key. then anne can connect to the server using anne@server ? |
| 21:19.41 | karsten | dnanar: That's the idea. |
| 21:19.41 | pegue | well, my X system, after an upgrade, have crashed, any possible solution? |
| 21:19.52 | dnanar | karsten: ok thanks a lot =) |
| 21:19.57 | dnanar | im going to try |
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| 21:20.37 | karsten | pegue: What happens if you run 'X' from console? Anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 21:20.43 | karsten | !tell pegue about pastebin |
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| 21:20.59 | karsten | pegue: Paste that log to the pastebin *NOT* *TO* *CHANNEL* |
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| 21:21.38 | karsten | dnanar: cat foo.pub >> <username>/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 21:21.57 | karsten | dnanar: ... will append the authorized_keys file. You'll probably find that's the easiest way to get a keyset distributed. |
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| 21:22.20 | Cripps | alright ... out for a minute ... |
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| 21:22.54 | nvz | haha.. we just had a series of power outages due to a heavy thunderstorm.. now... |
| 21:22.58 | nvz | Fri Aug 23 13:42:01 EDT 2013 |
| 21:23.22 | karsten | nvz: Quick! What's the market close for Aug22? |
| 21:23.28 | nvz | its like Wed Jun 27 5:20 EDT 2007 |
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| 21:27.29 | gimmebeer | I'm getting crazy trying to set a ssh tunnel up under Etch/i386. Months ago I did the same job on a Lenny/AMD64 machine, but can't get this one to work. Help! |
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| 21:27.55 | abrotman | !beer gimmebeer |
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| 21:28.12 | gimmebeer | :) |
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| 21:29.56 | dromer | hi all, I'm installing debian etch-businesscard to a disk intended for a minimal laptop and I'm wondering if I should install the lowmem component .. since the laptop has only 16mb |
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| 21:30.56 | abrotman | dromer: is this the P75? or wahtever? |
| 21:31.02 | dromer | abrotman: yup :) |
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| 21:31.31 | dromer | abrotman: trying a different install method ;) and hopefully get the newer kernel services running better too |
| 21:31.55 | dromer | abrotman: first time I'm using the expertgui install btw .. but, lowmem a good idea? ;) |
| 21:31.56 | abrotman | dromer: i thought you were going to install woody ? |
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| 21:32.33 | dromer | abrotman: I was .. then failed miserably ;) then tried a debootstrap of Sarge .. had some trouble .. and finally decided to try Etch anyway (gonna be minimal anyway) |
| 21:32.43 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 21:33.42 | doudou | How can i install debian in a way where system is read-only and all that need to be writen is in ram disk? |
| 21:33.59 | abrotman | use a liveCD ? |
| 21:34.01 | dromer | abrotman: aah, lowmem is for the install itself, not for the laptop :) |
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| 21:34.06 | abrotman | dromer: right |
| 21:34.21 | abrotman | dromer: the lowmem for the laptop .. are the apps you choose to run :) |
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| 21:35.25 | dromer | uhuh, I sooo hope this is gonna work finally .. I really want to start using this piece of ancient hw :D |
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| 21:39.24 | doudou | abrotman, thanks i did not saw this option, what livecd for surfing only? |
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| 21:40.15 | yurimxpxman | where can I download the floppy images? I can't find them. |
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| 21:42.45 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 21:42.45 | dpkg | i heard livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 21:42.46 | abrotman | !bf |
| 21:42.47 | dpkg | etch floppies is, like, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want lenny/testing change "etch" to "lenny". |
| 21:42.49 | abrotman | yurimxpxman: ^^ |
| 21:42.50 | cartesian1984 | Hey, I'm trying to rebuild an etch live CD I reauthored. I get 'FATAL: Not a bootable disk' after making the image with mkisofs. I do: mkisofs -udf -oetch.iso etch/ |
| 21:42.50 | cartesian1984 | Is there anything I'm missing here? |
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| 21:43.20 | yurimxpxman | abrotman: thanks! :D |
| 21:43.23 | alanhaggai | Can anything be done so that the start menu looks like that of Suse? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:OpenSUSE_102.png |
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| 21:44.58 | jakub__ | http://www.infomaticsonline.co.uk/vnunet/news/2192615/microsoft-claims-vista-secure?page=2 |
| 21:45.01 | jakub__ | is this very big debility ? |
| 21:45.08 | jakub__ | :-D |
| 21:45.14 | yurimxpxman | alanhaggai: what "start menu"? :-P |
| 21:45.19 | jakub__ | look at it |
| 21:45.27 | Szeraax | the opensuse special one |
| 21:45.35 | alanhaggai | Yes. |
| 21:45.35 | jakub__ | on this page they dont sort UPDATES of linux (KDE update etc. functions updates)... |
| 21:45.42 | jakub__ | it`s very big idiotism |
| 21:45.43 | yurimxpxman | alanhaggai: I found a debian package for it on kde-look.org, I believe. Try kde-apps.org, also |
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| 21:45.55 | alanhaggai | ok yurimxpxman |
| 21:45.58 | jakub__ | and they dont have debian unstable here |
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| 21:46.03 | jakub__ | ehm. stable |
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| 21:46.32 | yurimxpxman | alanhaggai: it's really crappy, though. I haven't heard of many people liking it. |
| 21:46.36 | edistar | is there any loghtweight browser that has a gui? |
| 21:46.49 | yurimxpxman | edistar: konqueror.. dillo |
| 21:46.52 | alanhaggai | yurimxpxman, I see. I thought it looked nice :) |
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| 21:47.04 | yurimxpxman | alanhaggai: it looks better than it really is |
| 21:47.26 | alanhaggai | yurimxpxman, can you name that package? |
| 21:47.31 | edistar | konqueror brings kde in again... but I'll try dillo |
| 21:47.41 | yurimxpxman | alanhaggai: only way to realise this is to learn for yourself, though, as I did. I was also skeptical about people's critcisms |
| 21:47.55 | yurimxpxman | alanhaggai: let me see if I can find it.. 1 sec |
| 21:48.04 | alanhaggai | Thanks yurimxpxman :) |
| 21:48.05 | yurimxpxman | edistar: dillo definitely sounds like what you want |
| 21:48.21 | doudou | !livecd |
| 21:48.21 | dpkg | i heard livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 21:49.03 | yurimxpxman | alanhaggai: forgot to ask.. are you using KDE or GNOME? |
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| 21:49.10 | alanhaggai | yurimxpxman, KDE |
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| 21:51.11 | yurimxpxman | alanhaggai: I'm not sure whether this package will work in debian or not, since it was built for ubuntu, but here's the link (btw, it's called kickoff) -> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kubuntu+with+Suse+Kickoff+Edgy+Elf+6.10?content=50240 |
| 21:51.46 | alanhaggai | Thanks a lot yurimxpxman :) |
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| 21:52.06 | yurimxpxman | well, crap.. haha.. I just realised that I can't use the debian floppies because my computer doesn't have a floppy drive. HAHA |
| 21:52.14 | yurimxpxman | the target machine does, but not this one |
| 21:52.32 | Szeraax | haha |
| 21:52.32 | gimmebeer | great! after 2+ hours wasted trying to fix the ssh tunnel problem and messing with x11vnc, dropbear, openssh-server, I managed to fix it and apparently it was a problem with putty using the wrong key to access the host... :-\ |
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| 21:53.24 | doudou | abrotman, i cant change only some directory in my debian and mount them in ram disk? |
| 21:54.05 | abrotman | doudou: you oculd .. i think .. you're going to have to do some research |
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| 21:54.37 | yurimxpxman | gimmebeer: I believe the keyword is "putty", which implies MS involvement.. |
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| 21:55.46 | abrotman | putty runs on linux |
| 21:56.16 | doudou | abrotman, here are the same people who told me : do backups this is basis but they even cant tell what data change nor where changing data is located !! |
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| 21:56.45 | gimmebeer | yurimxpxman: the tunnel seemed to be working fine, except if I telnet'ted into it, I would not receive the RFB version header from x11vnc - I guess some error message should have been displayed but there was none |
| 21:56.47 | abrotman | doudou: it wasn't me |
| 21:57.03 | gimmebeer | now |
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| 21:57.39 | Orion_X11 | I have Iso dvd 1 lenny image all right. I have checked tha md5sum and it is ok. So I burned the iso in a dvd. The dvd boots, but at a stage stops and says that a package md5sum is corrupted and does not load the next steps installation. So, is it possible to have an iso dvd md5sum right and an internal package corrupted or it is a dvd quality problem? Or perhaps a not well done dvd recording? |
| 21:58.09 | doudou | abrotman, sure, it is general with linux with windows with all systems, they dont care, i suppose that making thing unclear is good for selling |
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| 21:58.21 | rahul | hrm |
| 21:58.26 | rahul | I can't load fglrx |
| 21:58.38 | gimmebeer | can anybody explain me, why if I login as root the various apt* tools display localized messages, but if I use sudo they revert to plain english ? |
| 21:58.39 | rahul | [233798.553321] [fglrx:firegl_init_module] *ERROR* firegl_stub_register failed |
| 21:58.41 | rahul | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18photino/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 21:58.47 | yetifoot | i've just installed the ntp package, but can't find the info i want, by default will it check periodically, or only at boot? |
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| 21:59.07 | rahul | I would have pastebinned it, but if it were big enough for pastebinning to be worth it, I might actually be able to know what the problem is :\ |
| 21:59.17 | rahul | yetifoot: periodically |
| 21:59.44 | digitalbit | Hello everyone ! got some probs with NFS(client/server) ... does anyone had this : -> "svc: bad direction 65536, dropping request" |
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| 22:00.41 | yetifoot | rahul, thanks, also i'm trying to get it to do an update now, but ntpdate gives me a message ntp_gettime() returns code 5 (ERROR) and more, i have allowed the port 123 on my firewall, any idea whats wrong? |
| 22:00.49 | yetifoot | ntptime i mean |
| 22:01.00 | stew | gimmebeer: when you sudo, then environment (including the LANG variable) is getting cleared |
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| 22:01.21 | nomatte1 | hi |
| 22:01.28 | rahul | yetifoot: ntpdate can't co-exist with ntpd |
| 22:01.41 | yetifoot | rahul, yeah, i meant ntptime, sorry |
| 22:01.41 | nomatte1 | can anybody tell me how i can display how i can display all running services |
| 22:01.47 | rahul | never heard of ntptime |
| 22:01.53 | nomatte1 | the only way i know is scanning localhost with nmap |
| 22:01.55 | rahul | nomatte1: define "service" |
| 22:02.08 | rahul | ps ax |
| 22:02.09 | stew | nomatte1: with ps |
| 22:02.21 | nomatte1 | i want to look for open things, which can be insecure for my system |
| 22:02.25 | rahul | that may give you things that you don't _think_ are services |
| 22:02.26 | stew | nomatte1: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 22:02.29 | rahul | things, huh |
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| 22:02.42 | rahul | nmap will only tell you about open stuff |
| 22:02.42 | yetifoot | rahul, how would you go about forcing a update at console? I'm trying all the ntp* programs, but can't find a way |
| 22:02.47 | rahul | not open things |
| 22:02.56 | rahul | yetifoot: first stop ntpd |
| 22:03.06 | nomatte1 | and whats the difference? |
| 22:03.27 | rahul | nomatte1: you tell me |
| 22:03.47 | yetifoot | rahul, it's updated itself just this second so i'm guessing it checks often enough (its only been 20 minutes or less since i installed it), thanks anyway |
| 22:03.48 | rahul | nomatte1: if you want to know about network daemons, netstat will do it |
| 22:03.55 | nomatte1 | ok |
| 22:03.59 | nomatte1 | a question |
| 22:04.00 | rahul | yetifoot: it waits to build a consensus |
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| 22:04.16 | rahul | yetifoot: in case one time server is broken |
| 22:04.26 | digitalbit | Hello everyone ! got some probs with NFS(client/server) ... does anyone had this error ? >> "svc: bad direction 65536, dropping request" ; does has anything to do with miss config in the network |
| 22:04.41 | nomatte1 | 9999/tcp open abyss |
| 22:04.44 | nomatte1 | what is this service |
| 22:04.53 | nomatte1 | i got it with nmap -v localhost |
| 22:04.56 | stew | nomatte1: what process is attached to that port? |
| 22:05.10 | nomatte1 | don't know how can i find out? |
| 22:05.14 | yetifoot | rahul, ok, is that what is meant by stratum? in a howto i've been reading it says "It may take up to 4 hours of semi-continuous reachability to calibrate the clock before you achieve stratum 3 status." |
| 22:05.14 | stew | nomatte1: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 22:06.14 | rahul | yetifoot: how "accurate" you're considered to be |
| 22:06.28 | gimmebeer | stew: upon installation I set the local language to be used, but apparently only root is correctly configured, the first user is not - an installer bug/limitation then? |
| 22:06.46 | rahul | yetifoot: where stratum 3 may be an error of a couple milliseconds or something |
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| 22:07.41 | nomatte1 | i tried fuser -n tcp 9999 but i got no output |
| 22:08.13 | k-man_ | i'm trying to compile the nvidia drivers the debian way, and I get this error: FATAL: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol |
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| 22:09.00 | _Bigbang | hi. I am trying to install debian on a cobalt qube 2 (mips). I followed instructions on cyrius.com : I have installed NFS & DHCP servers so that when the qube is net booting, i can choose "Network (NFS)", then i see "Booting" and the IP of the qube. "UNIT BOOT FAILED" shows up just after all this. With ethereal, i saw that /nfsroot is called twice, and it's the second which failed. I need help please. |
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| 22:09.20 | Kruser | hi all |
| 22:09.33 | rahul | so um |
| 22:09.38 | rahul | how do I fix fglrx? |
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| 22:09.51 | sebastian | hi.. why do i get this error: |
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| 22:09.59 | sebastian | http://dump.n-fx.org/files/pict3102.jpg |
| 22:10.29 | sebastian | I have a "fedora core" installation.. is it that that makes that error? |
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| 22:13.54 | yurimxpxman | can the business card CD be used to install the complete system from the internet? |
| 22:14.04 | rahul | yurimxpxman: yes |
| 22:14.30 | stew | yurimxpxman: as long as you can get on the internet with a stock debian kernel |
| 22:14.38 | yurimxpxman | rahul: sweet. Thanks :-) |
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| 22:16.45 | tomlobato | hello all!! please, what is the name of the debian installer partition editor? but the text installer |
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| 22:17.15 | alesan | hi |
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| 22:17.26 | yurimxpxman | alesan: yo ;-) |
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| 22:17.31 | alesan | I am using ARM debian on a NSLU2... |
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| 22:17.50 | tomlobato | isnt it parted, is it? |
| 22:17.53 | alesan | there is a software called "wview" which gets data from a weather station |
| 22:18.16 | alesan | but it seems I cannot install with apt-get, matbe it is not a debian package |
| 22:18.18 | aeshyamae | is there a way to use my debian dvds to install debian in my usb flash drives?? |
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| 22:18.33 | Cripps | hm ... I can get a (framebuffered) console on one monitor and an xserver running on another using framebuffer, fbset, and con2fb ... correct? |
| 22:18.33 | alesan | the author delivers a package in the ipkg format do you know if it's possible to install that or what? |
| 22:18.52 | yurimxpxman | alesan: is the source code distributed? |
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| 22:19.00 | urso_ | alesan well you can open the window and check the the weather to a litle of sun makes good :) |
| 22:19.03 | yurimxpxman | alesan: the easiest way would probably be to compile it yourself |
| 22:19.05 | alesan | yurimxpxman, yes of course it's GPL |
| 22:19.16 | pipegeek | I'm trying to make a bootable thumbdrive, and failing hard. I'm using syslinux from sid (3.36), and I've copied the requisite files into place (syslinux.cfg and .bin from a livecd), but, on boot, I get "Missing Operating System". Drive is a 2GB sandisk cruzer, motherboard is known to be capable of booting from flash drives |
| 22:19.24 | pipegeek | anyone here have any experience here? |
| 22:19.24 | yurimxpxman | alesan: just download the source code, then |
| 22:19.33 | alesan | urso_, no the weather station is connected through a 11Km wireless link at the top of a mountain |
| 22:19.50 | urso_ | alesan do you want to creat one weather station? |
| 22:19.55 | alesan | yurimxpxman, and? what should I do the source code |
| 22:19.57 | Cripps | pipegeek, try using debootstrap on the drive. That will get you a running minimal debian install. |
| 22:20.11 | doudou | where can i find details and explanations about difference of debian and ubuntu, i read they split but did not found clean explanation |
| 22:20.13 | yurimxpxman | alesan: sudo aptitude install build-essential |
| 22:20.22 | alesan | urso_, www.weatherview.org this is a software to control a weather station |
| 22:20.22 | yurimxpxman | alesan: ./configure |
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| 22:20.27 | alesan | yurimxpxman, wait |
| 22:20.39 | alesan | yurimxpxman, I'd need a ARM toolchain |
| 22:20.44 | yurimxpxman | alesan: configure should tell you whether you have all the dependencies or not |
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| 22:20.49 | alesan | the software will run on a linksys NSLU2 |
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| 22:20.54 | aeshyamae | Cripps:can wew make debootstrap to look for the packages in dvd instead of an internet repository? |
| 22:21.14 | pipegeek | Cripps: I suppose. Although, ideally, I'd like to use the ubuntu livecd. It has a sensible set of packages, and I'd rather not have to build the darned thing by hand. |
| 22:21.23 | Cripps | aeshyamae, I've never tried, so I don't know. |
| 22:21.40 | pipegeek | Cripps: Regardless, it fails before loading syslinux, which means that it hasn't even touched linux yet. Why might this be? |
| 22:21.51 | alesan | yurimxpxman, though I'm not a m4 expert, I know how a configure script works :) thank you |
| 22:21.54 | aeshyamae | Cripps:so have to have internet connection to build a debian on usb? |
| 22:22.23 | Cripps | aeshyamae, I don't know, I've never tried running debootstrap without. |
| 22:22.29 | alesan | the problem I'm using "Arm" debian |
| 22:22.37 | Cripps | pipegeek, if it's failing before the bootloader, then you must not have it installed correctly. |
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| 22:23.12 | h3sp4wn | alesan: are you using the eabi version ? |
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| 22:23.14 | pipegeek | Cripps: Installation is '$ syslinux /dev/sdb1'. No ifs, ands, or buts. |
| 22:23.17 | alesan | yurimxpxman, do you think I can compile a software with the NLSU2 itself? or do I need to crosscompile |
| 22:23.24 | alesan | h3sp4wn, umh? |
| 22:23.26 | Cripps | pipegeek, although "Operating System Not Found" sounds like there's nothing for the bootloader to load ... that's what it sounds like to me. |
| 22:23.51 | pipegeek | Cripps: Except that, in that case, it should drop me to a boot: prompt. |
| 22:23.51 | Cripps | I'm off to enjoy my s video out ... and watch 300 "D |
| 22:23.53 | h3sp4wn | alesan: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort |
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| 22:25.01 | alesan | h3sp4wn, http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/ |
| 22:25.28 | alesan | I do not know if it's the same thing. ANyway it seems this installation is optimized for linksys NSLU2 |
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| 22:26.02 | alesan | h3sp4wn, I considered running openwrt on it but... I'd need much software that is not ported on the openwrt platform, and anyway I have a 500GB hard disk attached. |
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| 22:26.46 | h3sp4wn | alesan: Not that well optimised for it (hence the existance of the new port) |
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| 22:27.05 | alesan | h3sp4wn, what do you mean not well optimized |
| 22:27.07 | alesan | in which sense |
| 22:27.36 | h3sp4wn | alesan: anything that involves floating point for a start |
| 22:27.43 | alesan | I see |
| 22:27.49 | h3sp4wn | alesan: (eabi runs ~ 10x as fast) |
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| 22:28.07 | h3sp4wn | (Its not trivially better its alot better) |
| 22:28.10 | alesan | I'd like to understand if that applies also to the CPU inside the NSLU2 |
| 22:28.42 | h3sp4wn | I am certain it does |
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| 22:30.06 | alesan | h3sp4wn, I was considering to do the following: as I get one picture per minute from a digital camera, I'd like to use the NSLU2 to process them and generate a flash video. |
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| 22:30.43 | alesan | do you think there is a software that can run on the NSLU2 that can add a frame to a video? (without re-encoding all the video...) |
| 22:30.58 | h3sp4wn | No idea |
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| 22:31.40 | h3sp4wn | to do it at a reasonable speed though I would expect it to have to be designed for embedded use |
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| 22:34.25 | ericpersson | I just ran into a strange conflict between debianutils and passwd concerning add-shell on upgrading and cant seem to get around it, any ideas? |
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| 22:35.04 | g0rd0n | how much space do i need on HD to install a fresh debian etch? just plain install without any extras |
| 22:35.59 | h3sp4wn | g0rd0n: 500MB or so |
| 22:36.01 | ericpersson | g0rd0n: shouldnt need much, a few hundred mbs should do it, but i would go for less than 2 gb to be safe.. |
| 22:36.16 | h3sp4wn | g0rd0n: (less if you strip stuff like locales and stuff) |
| 22:37.04 | g0rd0n | ok thanks |
| 22:37.17 | g0rd0n | i'm just going to test a few things and then throw it off |
| 22:37.22 | g0rd0n | so wont need much reserve :) |
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| 22:42.53 | bubble-gum- | hello |
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| 22:43.55 | bubble-gum- | i've a question.. i'm installing debian sid now... i've yet installed lenny from a netinstall cd: only minimal sistem. |
| 22:44.11 | bubble-gum- | now i wanna change mi sources.list... but i don't know how |
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| 22:44.22 | bubble-gum- | can someone help me? |
| 22:44.30 | urso_ | hello |
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| 22:44.49 | urv | bubble-gum-: what do you want to change? |
| 22:44.54 | Gryfie | when there is a debian-update-3.1r6-i386-1.iso, can I add this just ro my release 1-dvds? |
| 22:45.00 | urso_ | is there some packed from xgl to install in debian etch ? to install compiz whith ati? |
| 22:45.01 | Gryfie | -ro +to |
| 22:45.27 | bubble-gum- | urv: i wanna change sources.list to upgrade my minimal installation of lenny to debian sid |
| 22:45.42 | bubble-gum- | but i don't know the repository list for debian sid |
| 22:45.58 | Madd_Matt | Do you really want to run sid? No offense, but do you know what you're doing? Sid is unstable. |
| 22:46.12 | Madd_Matt | Literally -- its unstable and not recommended for everybody's daily use. |
| 22:46.31 | bubble-gum- | yes Madd_Matt, i know :) |
| 22:46.55 | quitte_ | bubble-gum-: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:46.58 | h3sp4wn | bubble-gum-: surely if you should be running sid you can work out how to change sources.list |
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| 22:47.01 | bubble-gum- | i've another system for the daily use |
| 22:47.04 | bubble-gum- | windows! |
| 22:47.10 | bubble-gum- | lol (i'm joking) |
| 22:47.19 | quitte_ | ah so you're used to unstable sysems |
| 22:47.35 | Madd_Matt | But really, if you want to run sid, you should be able to figure out how to change "lenny" to "sid" in sources.list |
| 22:47.51 | bubble-gum- | yes, i know how change sources.list |
| 22:47.58 | bubble-gum- | but i don't know repo for sid |
| 22:48.08 | Madd_Matt | >_> |
| 22:48.09 | quitte | bubble-gum-: just replace lenny with sid |
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| 22:48.18 | karsten | Feh. Ubuntu liveCD doesn't include ar. |
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| 22:48.54 | bubble-gum- | for now in sources.list i've only security repo: |
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| 22:49.03 | h3sp4wn | karsten: see if their busybox has it |
| 22:49.15 | bubble-gum- | deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib |
| 22:49.16 | bubble-gum- | deb-src http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib |
| 22:49.22 | bubble-gum- | these |
| 22:49.28 | karsten | h3sp4wn: Point. Installing binutils. |
| 22:49.34 | urso_ | why debian don`t have one xgl packet? |
| 22:49.40 | karsten | h3sp4wn: union mounts can be useful ;-) |
| 22:50.31 | h3sp4wn | karsten: can be - they can be a pita also |
| 22:50.31 | bubble-gum- | should i remove those lines and add: |
| 22:50.31 | bubble-gum- | deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 22:50.31 | bubble-gum- | deb-src http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 22:50.34 | bubble-gum- | ? |
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| 22:51.24 | bubble-gum- | sorry :\ |
| 22:51.56 | h3sp4wn | karsten: e.g apt complaining that certain libraries cannot be updated because they exist the union also (bad practice anyway but still annoying) |
| 22:52.00 | quitte | bubble-gum-: yes. you just have to replace lenny with sid. but if you're going to ask about every tiny detail like that before even trying please don't use sid |
| 22:52.15 | unlink | man dpkg |
| 22:52.23 | unlink | hmm... |
| 22:52.39 | unlink | that was my terminal popping up slow, not a message to someone |
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| 22:53.15 | bubble-gum- | my only doubt is if i should remove, or conserve sucurity repo of lenny |
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| 22:53.33 | h3sp4wn | bubble-gum-: Don't bother with it |
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| 22:53.57 | h3sp4wn | (afaik lenny security is just packages fast tracked from sid anyway) |
| 22:54.01 | karsten | h3sp4wn: It works here, that's all I need. |
| 22:54.06 | h3sp4wn | if it ever actually provides anything |
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| 22:55.28 | bubble-gum- | thanks guys |
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| 22:56.00 | catoblepa | hi |
| 22:56.11 | catoblepa | who can test this deb for sid? |
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| 22:56.21 | catoblepa | http://www.catoblepa.org/debian/tilda/tilda_0.09.4-4_i386.deb |
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| 22:56.49 | catoblepa | it's tilda with a couple of bug-fix and real trasparency patch |
| 22:57.38 | Orion_X11 | Is it possible to rsync daily my image (iso) testing dvd? How? |
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| 22:59.49 | catoblepa | Orion_X11: you can use jigdo: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 22:59.53 | quitte | Orion_X11: why? there are different ways then to run the installer from cd |
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| 23:01.13 | urv | is there a way to change the order of the sysv-init scripts in a permanent maner? |
| 23:01.35 | karmatronic | urv: !update-rc.d |
| 23:03.13 | Orion_X11 | catoblepa: quitte I want to rsync my dvd1 testing daily because I downloaded it and the md5sum is ok. Then I burned the iso into a dvd and checked again the iso dvd and it is allright. But when I am in the installing process it says that cannot read a package because the md5sum that package is not all right! So the process don't finish! What a confusion? |
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| 23:03.51 | Nielsen | faulty drive? |
| 23:03.52 | urv | karmatronic: also permanent after i purged the package and reinstall it later? |
| 23:04.51 | quitte | Orion_X11: I personally prefer installing using tftpboot. for machines that dont support booting from a tftp server I use floppy disks or cds that contain a netboot image. |
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| 23:05.03 | pickcoder | urv: no config changes are permanent if you purge the config and package |
| 23:06.05 | Orion_X11 | quitte: I would to, but don't have the bandwidth for that. And I need the dvd for installing in other machines. This is the problem |
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| 23:06.27 | quitte | Orion_X11: http://www.etherboot.org/wiki/index.php |
| 23:06.44 | quitte | Orion_X11: you can use a local mirror, or partial mirror |
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| 23:07.04 | pickcoder | Orion_X11: just because the disc's md5sum matches doesn't mean a package can't be corrupted or the md5sum for that package can't be wrong |
| 23:08.38 | Orion_X11 | pickcoder: That was my doubt. So, if I rsync the iso would I correct that package? Is it possible to correct packages in a downloaded iso? |
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| 23:08.52 | nomatter | hi |
| 23:08.52 | quitte | Orion_X11: if you till think you need to build a new install cd everytime you install debian you probably need a partial mirror and use jigdo with that |
| 23:09.00 | pickcoder | Orion_X11: not if the daily build has a corrupted package or the md5sum for that package is old or wrong |
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| 23:09.18 | nomatter | on my pc the module snd_opl3sa2 is started with modprobe at booting and makes problems |
| 23:09.34 | nomatter | what can i do that it isn't loaded automatically? |
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| 23:10.23 | Orion_X11 | pickcoder: But is it possible. Does it deserve a go? |
| 23:10.49 | SphereZ | Some know how can i use from outside a program with Debian ?$ |
| 23:11.04 | pickcoder | Orion_X11: daily builds can always be prone to problems. If you can afford to download 4GB worth of DVD a day, can you not setup a local mirror? |
| 23:11.08 | nomatter | maybe you mean ssh? |
| 23:11.19 | nomatter | @SphereZ: |
| 23:11.30 | nomatter | what do you mean with outside? |
| 23:12.03 | Orion_X11 | pickcoder: I spent 2 weeks to download the dvd |
| 23:12.36 | Orion_X11 | pickcoder: My machine stayed on for more than 2 weeks! |
| 23:12.51 | Orion_X11 | And I need the dvd |
| 23:13.02 | SphereZ | I mean make a script with tcl to manage a program like openofice from tcl then outside. |
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| 23:13.37 | SphereZ | get data but also publish, writte and so on. |
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| 23:13.52 | Orion_X11 | For installing in other machines without internet fast connection, but only modem connection |
| 23:14.00 | quitte | Orion_X11: create a mirror from the dvd. then use jigdo with help from that mirror. |
| 23:14.19 | gokr | Q: Installing Lyx on Lenny, anyone know what to do? (can't find tetex-bin-upgrade) |
| 23:14.36 | gokr | Or perhaps there is a lyx channel... |
| 23:14.37 | quitte | Orion_X11: or if those machines are all on the same network don't bother using the cd butuse tftpboot instead |
| 23:14.42 | nomatter | SphereZ: you mean running a script from an remote computer? |
| 23:14.45 | quitte | s/cd/dvd |
| 23:14.56 | nomatter | do you tried it with ssh? |
| 23:15.20 | SphereZ | No the contrary running program from a script |
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| 23:15.36 | SphereZ | a script tcl |
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| 23:15.56 | Orion_X11 | quitte: the machines are not in a network. They are machines without any connection between then. They are my friends machines in their houses. That't why I need the dvd |
| 23:16.03 | pickcoder | SphereZ: just state what you're trying to do |
| 23:16.09 | quitte | Orion_X11: ok i see. |
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| 23:16.35 | quitte | Orion_X11: i still hink you should have a local partial mirror to generate the dvd from |
| 23:16.41 | nomatter | SphereZ: you mean your script should run commands on the remote pc? |
| 23:16.49 | nomatter | and the script is execouted local? |
| 23:16.50 | quitte | Orion_X11: look at the apt-proxy package |
| 23:17.27 | Orion_X11 | quitte: point me to the infos please. |
| 23:17.29 | quitte | Orion_X11: if you fill that with the packages of the dvd you already have it shouldn't be too hard to create a dvd image with jigdo from it |
| 23:17.43 | quitte | Orion_X11: apt-cache show apt-proxy |
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| 23:20.37 | nomatter | anybody knows how i can stop my system loading snd_opl3sa2 |
| 23:20.51 | nomatter | cause such a device isn't avaiable and this makes problems on booting |
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| 23:20.53 | SphereZ | Well more simple the script tcl say to vlc to search this dvd, push this botom, etc .. |
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| 23:23.01 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 23:23.01 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 23:28.26 | pickcoder | SphereZ: if vlc doesn't support command line scripting then you will have to download the source and add your own command line functions |
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| 23:31.15 | SphereZ | ok it 's ok. |
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| 23:32.56 | SphereZ | But pickcoder if the programme isnot a free programm does is support command line scripting ? |
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| 23:36.38 | stoned | hi |
| 23:36.40 | stoned | whats up guys |
| 23:36.51 | CompWizdr | spam, mostly |
| 23:36.58 | stoned | spam sucks |
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| 23:37.12 | MangosDebian | hey |
| 23:37.15 | stoned | hey man |
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| 23:37.21 | stoned | I got that job I was talking about yesterday |
| 23:37.25 | MangosDebian | CompWizdr: email spam? or part/join spam? |
| 23:37.31 | stoned | I went to the interview, he loved me, and then I started today too |
| 23:37.33 | stoned | :D |
| 23:37.44 | MangosDebian | congrats! |
| 23:37.48 | stoned | I got 7 techs workin under me |
| 23:37.54 | stoned | I manage a pc repair store hehehe |
| 23:38.02 | MangosDebian | thats cool |
| 23:38.03 | CompWizdr | MangosDebian: email, of course |
| 23:38.18 | slack101 | back |
| 23:38.21 | slack101 | and guess what |
| 23:38.24 | slack101 | server still not up |
| 23:38.39 | MangosDebian | CompWizrd: ahh, now i member you, the guy with the 0 for ip :) heya |
| 23:38.55 | stoned | I think I might be able to get high now, after like 5 months |
| 23:38.56 | stoned | hehe |
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| 23:39.07 | slack101 | i got a networ booted distro runnign again ............ anyone got any ideas about the cant mount local file system error ??? |
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| 23:39.18 | MangosDebian | stoned: lol. with a nick like that, i figure you were stoned 24/7 :) |
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| 23:40.20 | stoned | I used to be, then I dicided to take it easy for a while |
| 23:40.25 | stoned | I went 5 months sober, still sober |
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| 23:40.34 | dkr | maybe his nick is referring to the consequences of that one time he slept with a married woman... |
| 23:40.36 | PiousMinion | How would I go about making a symlink to /dev/[some dev] so that when I try to read this symlink I get the contents/output of this device ? |
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| 23:40.54 | slack101 | who wants to help me out |
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| 23:40.56 | slack101 | ? |
| 23:40.56 | slack101 | :P |
| 23:40.58 | MangosDebian | stoned: /nick sober5months? :) |
| 23:41.03 | stoned | PiousMinion: its the same as symlinking /dev/dvd to /dev/hdX |
| 23:41.09 | dkr | PiousMinion: ln -s /dev/foo /dev/mynameforfoo |
| 23:41.15 | stoned | PiousMinion: ln -s for symbolic link, man ln |
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| 23:41.52 | PiousMinion | Well, ln -s /dev/urandom /var/www/badstuff.txt doesn't work as expected. lol |
| 23:42.02 | MangosDebian | heh, who is nyle? |
| 23:42.06 | dudeman | I am |
| 23:42.13 | MangosDebian | oh |
| 23:42.25 | dudeman | I am known by many nicks |
| 23:42.39 | MangosDebian | i think we all are :) |
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| 23:43.10 | dudeman | to celebrate some new job stuff in IT and not selling clothes in a dept store |
| 23:43.16 | MangosDebian | most people would get a giggle out of the freenode log db im sure |
| 23:43.16 | dudeman | I think I'll toke up tonight |
| 23:43.24 | dudeman | !stoned |
| 23:43.27 | abrotman | one more ... |
| 23:43.31 | dudeman | yeh see |
| 23:43.33 | dudeman | heh |
| 23:43.43 | stoned | oh thats right I was workin on my sid box I almost forgot |
| 23:43.47 | peterS | stoned: don't forget about your UA tomorrow |
| 23:43.57 | stoned | peterS: haha, thanks buddy I'll keep it in mind |
| 23:44.03 | stoned | peterS: how are ya man |
| 23:44.09 | peterS | I'm good |
| 23:44.14 | stoned | word man |
| 23:44.28 | rahul | dude |
| 23:44.31 | rahul | man |
| 23:44.32 | stoned | yo |
| 23:44.39 | stoned | my main man rahul |
| 23:44.43 | stoned | whats up |
| 23:44.53 | stoned | I installed ubuntu in a virtual machine last night |
| 23:44.53 | rahul | gonna do laundry soon :P |
| 23:44.56 | stoned | it pissed me off again |
| 23:45.00 | rahul | heh |
| 23:45.08 | stoned | so I said whoever told me that feisty fawn was a good OS, was a moron |
| 23:45.35 | rahul | you got the job? awesome |
| 23:45.37 | stoned | so here I am, at it again |
| 23:45.40 | rahul | haha |
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| 23:45.49 | urso_ | is debian the distribution that have more pakages? |
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| 23:46.05 | stoned | urso_: its a safe assumption but compared to what? |
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| 23:46.08 | rahul | debian has 22% more packages |
| 23:46.19 | peterS | it's still 98% fat free |
| 23:46.23 | peterS | I mean DFSG free |
| 23:46.24 | urso_ | stoned well i was try to search for the xgl in sid packages and nathing :x |
| 23:46.26 | rahul | ! |
| 23:46.32 | rahul | haha |
| 23:46.33 | stoned | xgl is not packaged in debian |
| 23:46.34 | stoned | !xgl |
| 23:46.34 | dpkg | xgl is, like, the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
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| 23:46.53 | stoned | urso_: what video card do you have? |
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| 23:47.09 | stoned | urso_: no need to use Xgl unless you have ATI cards |
| 23:47.18 | peterS | how lame is this, the only reason I'm not running in AIGLX mode is that I would rather have 3200x1200 which doesn't leave enough video RAM to do 3D |
| 23:47.19 | stoned | urso_: if you have nvidia, use aiglx for compositing and 3d desk |
| 23:47.23 | abrotman | uhm .. you know it's been awhile since your last install when the only burnt CD is Sarge netinst RC3 |
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| 23:47.37 | phliver | hey i have a perl script (wap proxy server) that i want to have start up automatically. i want to be able to create a start-stop init script for this. can somebody point me in the right direction? i don't really know what to google for |
| 23:47.39 | stoned | peterS: http://youfuck.mypets.ws/screenshots/kde.jpg |
| 23:47.45 | stoned | peterS: checkit |
| 23:47.48 | stew | stoned: he has an r520. he's pissed becuase he thinks the fact that fglrx doesn't support aiglx is debian's fault |
| 23:47.48 | stoned | :D |
| 23:47.51 | Gul | hi, under redhat i have a owner command, `owner file` -> 0.0, i dont know the package name (or alternative) for etch |
| 23:47.58 | ben_goodger | abrotman: meh, it's only 2005 |
| 23:47.58 | stoned | stew: ahh |
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| 23:48.02 | urso_ | stoned i have one ati card why do you think i was try to search for the xgl dahhh o0 o0 |
| 23:48.09 | stoned | clearly that is the fault of ATI |
| 23:48.14 | abrotman | ben_goodger: RC3 might have been before that .. dunno |
| 23:48.18 | urso_ | yes i have one ati like many more users i think |
| 23:48.19 | urso_ | :\ |
| 23:48.29 | ben_goodger | abrotman: release was october, I doubt it |
| 23:48.39 | stoned | I have ATI as well, and I use fglrx on my desktop with Xgl/Beryl |
| 23:48.43 | abrotman | hrm .. this can't be good |
| 23:48.48 | stoned | it works, but it is a bitch to get going |
| 23:48.58 | urso_ | stoned where you catch the xgl to install the compiz? |
| 23:49.07 | stoned | I'm sorry, what? |
| 23:49.14 | stoned | oh where I got the package? |
| 23:49.19 | stoned | I built them myself from source |
| 23:49.26 | urso_ | stoned you dont install the xgl to make the beryl work? |
| 23:49.39 | stoned | yes I did |
| 23:49.49 | peterS | WE GOT PACKAGE! |
| 23:49.50 | urso_ | stoned ohhh you build the xgl from the source right? |
| 23:49.56 | stoned | urso_: yessir |
| 23:50.04 | urso_ | peterS where is the package? |
| 23:50.11 | stoned | !tell urso_ -about xgl |
| 23:50.14 | peterS | someone set up us the compiz |
| 23:50.17 | stoned | urso_: read the message from dpkg |
| 23:50.35 | urso_ | stoned thank you very much :) |
| 23:50.36 | rahul | fglrx doesn't even load on my box |
| 23:50.42 | stoned | urso_: you are welcome |
| 23:50.43 | rahul | [233682.073562] [fglrx] Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 198 MBytes. |
| 23:50.46 | ben_goodger | for christ's sake, does anyone actually use xgl now? |
| 23:50.47 | urso_ | :) |
| 23:50.47 | rahul | [233682.074542] [fglrx:firegl_init_module] *ERROR* firegl_stub_register failed |
| 23:51.05 | stoned | I think I'll take a few tokes tonight |
| 23:51.13 | stoned | I feel happy about the new job and all |
| 23:51.17 | stoned | :D |
| 23:51.20 | rahul | hell yeah |
| 23:51.29 | rahul | heh |
| 23:51.33 | stoned | hehehehe |
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| 23:51.54 | stoned | rahul, Arizona Green. Nice and fluffy. |
| 23:51.55 | peterS | and a hempseed flavored chocolate bar |
| 23:52.00 | stoned | yummmy |
| 23:52.02 | rahul | yum |
| 23:52.10 | abrotman | !kill Dell & XP |
| 23:52.17 | stoned | hah |
| 23:52.18 | stoned | let me guess |
| 23:52.21 | stoned | abrotwoman is around |
| 23:52.39 | peterS | there's an abrotwoman now? |
| 23:52.45 | urso_ | stoned the website link from the dpkg is down lol |
| 23:52.48 | abrotman | peterS: ? |
| 23:52.50 | stoned | I'm just messin with him |
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| 23:52.57 | peterS | stoned says there is, but I hadn't heard of her |
| 23:52.59 | urso_ | looks i need to wait a litle more lol |
| 23:53.00 | urso_ | :\ |
| 23:53.00 | stoned | I have him on ignore so when dpkg speaks outta no where, its logically him |
| 23:53.11 | abrotman | peterS: ah .. i've had him on ignore for months |
| 23:53.19 | peterS | ha, you both have each other on ignore |
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| 23:53.23 | peterS | nice |
| 23:53.30 | stoned | I can't deal with his shit man |
| 23:53.32 | abrotman | makes it easier on the channel |
| 23:53.33 | stoned | ignorance is bliss |
| 23:53.39 | stoned | selective ignorance I might add |
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| 23:53.45 | rahul | haha |
| 23:53.52 | peterS | it's like they're actually talking to each other |
| 23:53.57 | rahul | yeah |
| 23:54.00 | stoned | ey! |
| 23:54.01 | peterS | I mean, you guys are good |
| 23:54.03 | karsten | peterS: Who? ;-) |
| 23:54.08 | rahul | haha |
| 23:54.11 | rahul | !penixstrike karsten |
| 23:54.11 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking karsten to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 23:54.22 | peterS | karsten: myself and irene |
| 23:54.22 | abrotman | seriously .. which is worse .. the crap Dell laptop that won't stay on because it keeps overheating . or XP that won't reinstall because the user installed XP SP2 and the recovery CD says the versions don't match |
| 23:54.26 | stoned | enough |
| 23:54.28 | stoned | with the penix man |
| 23:54.31 | stoned | damnit! :) |
| 23:54.33 | karsten | peterS: p1x0r5! |
| 23:54.38 | rahul | it was only once! |
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| 23:54.58 | stoned | its not the penix that makes me laugh |
| 23:55.02 | stoned | its the large wet spot |
| 23:55.05 | rahul | haha |
| 23:55.08 | stoned | I mean c'mon |
| 23:55.09 | stoned | lol |
| 23:55.10 | abrotman | for the record .. it also won't boot a Debian install CD |
| 23:55.28 | rahul | grr, jules wants me to install XP on her machine |
| 23:55.49 | rahul | her ex fucked it up and installed a previously-used key, so it bitches at her about being an illegal copy |
| 23:55.53 | ben_goodger | rahul: install debian as well, and refuse to help her use windows |
| 23:55.57 | rahul | heh |
| 23:56.03 | rahul | I have enough people asking for help with debian |
| 23:56.04 | ben_goodger | it works surprisingly well. |
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| 23:56.16 | ben_goodger | rahul: also, just crack the spyware |
| 23:56.17 | rahul | this bass player wants to install debian so he can fiddle with opengl |
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| 23:56.32 | rahul | not her bass player... a different one |
| 23:56.34 | stoned | dude |
| 23:56.46 | stoned | hook me up with some drummer and bassist man, I wanna get something started... damn, /msg me |
| 23:56.49 | stoned | rahul: |
| 23:56.49 | dkr | a bass player fiddling? funny |
| 23:56.58 | rahul | :\ |
| 23:57.02 | rahul | stoned: I've been asking |
| 23:57.13 | stoned | rahul: you da man |
| 23:57.22 | rahul | dkr: the singer fiddles too, but that instrument is on my body |
| 23:57.27 | stoned | ugh! |
| 23:57.31 | rahul | heh |
| 23:57.34 | dkr | rahul: TMI |
| 23:57.43 | karsten | rahul: Install Debian + XPde and call it a day,. |
| 23:57.50 | rahul | xpde? |
| 23:58.00 | karsten | !xpde |
| 23:58.00 | dpkg | xpde is, like, a desktop environment attempting to make it easier for the newbie. stands for "XP Desktop Environment.", or at http://www.xpde.com/ for more info. |
| 23:58.02 | rahul | actually, I can probably just install debian on it and it'll be fine |
| 23:58.05 | stoned | hey guys, whats the tool to check to see what kind of a network card I have, I mean not lspci, but some other net tool I wanna see what I'm going at, 10mbps or 100mpbs |
| 23:58.22 | rahul | mii-tool or something |
| 23:58.23 | karsten | Actually, KDE and XFCE4 both have pretty good XP emulo. |
| 23:58.24 | stoned | I forgot the name of it |
| 23:58.26 | stoned | thats the one |
| 23:58.29 | stoned | rahul: thans |
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| 23:58.44 | rahul | grr.. pandora is playing evanescence |
| 23:58.56 | rahul | at least it's not one of the horrible tunes... cloud nine is almost ok |
| 23:59.09 | urso_ | if debian is the distributions whith more pakages where is the pakage from xgl? |
| 23:59.12 | rahul | karsten: I doubt she'll give a shit about the color scheme |
| 23:59.16 | stoned | rahul: I work for this jewish guys now, so I'm off every sat. |
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| 23:59.25 | gravity | urso_: No one really wanted to work on packaging it |
| 23:59.31 | rahul | karsten: she'll probably be more impressed at being able to change the colors however she wants |
| 23:59.34 | rahul | she's a graphic designer, too |
| 23:59.35 | gravity | urso_: If you want to, feel free to write debian-x, and I'll help you out in any way I can |
| 23:59.36 | stoned | I've made unofficial debs |
| 23:59.38 | rahul | stoned: good deal |
| 23:59.47 | stoned | but they don't comply to policy yet |
