| 00:00.00 | stoned | and they maynot even work on your machine |
| 00:00.06 | abrotman | gravity: i thought they were merging ? or one was dying ? |
| 00:00.07 | rahul | the maryo ones in unstable are b0rked |
| 00:00.10 | stoned | urso_: just build xgl from scratch |
| 00:00.14 | stoned | rahul: those are not mine |
| 00:00.22 | rahul | they look for a foo.so instead of foo.so.X |
| 00:00.25 | rahul | stoned: yeah |
| 00:00.26 | gravity | abrotman: xgl is pretty much dead from the Xorg point of view |
| 00:00.29 | stoned | the ftpmaster overlooked a few copyright violations of that smc package |
| 00:00.32 | gravity | I think SuSE is still keeping it alive |
| 00:00.34 | rahul | heh |
| 00:00.39 | abrotman | gravity: bastards! |
| 00:00.57 | gravity | Realistically, if glucose ever gets off the ground, that'll be the sucessor to Xgl, in which case we won't have to worry because it'll just be part of the normal xserver |
| 00:01.00 | stoned | rahul: 17 copyrighted sound files, problem with apache2.0/gpl2.0 liscence with libxerces |
| 00:01.08 | stoned | and there was another problem I can't recall atm |
| 00:01.20 | rahul | hmm |
| 00:01.22 | stoned | other than the ftpmaster overlooking it |
| 00:01.24 | rahul | complicated... |
| 00:01.25 | stoned | or ignoring it |
| 00:01.27 | rahul | yeah |
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| 00:01.35 | stoned | I don't quite get how that other guy's packages got acccepted |
| 00:01.49 | stoned | and after I talked to him about co maintianing the package, he never replied to any of my other emails |
| 00:01.58 | stoned | its been 1.5 months |
| 00:02.40 | fungos | where do I set the eth0 iface IP in Debian (console only and not dhcp related)? |
| 00:02.40 | karsten | fungos: ifconfig eth0 |
| 00:02.50 | karsten | fungos: ... or /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:02.54 | karsten | fungos: man 5 interfaces |
| 00:03.07 | stoned | glucose? |
| 00:03.13 | urso_ | gravity why noone want to work on this pakage? there are no ati users? |
| 00:03.16 | rahul | fructose? |
| 00:03.28 | MangosDebian | ifconfig |
| 00:03.30 | rahul | ribose! |
| 00:03.30 | urso_ | gravity ok |
| 00:03.33 | MangosDebian | oops heh |
| 00:03.46 | gravity | urso_: No one who's interested in working on the package for Debian. |
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| 00:04.04 | stoned | concepts |
| 00:04.04 | stoned | of Glucose: |
| 00:04.05 | urso_ | gravity and why not? |
| 00:04.06 | stoned | - it's an OpenGL based acceleration architecture, |
| 00:04.06 | gravity | Most debian developers were careful to buy hardware that wasn't known to be broken as fuck |
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| 00:04.15 | gravity | Although, right now, things are looking up. |
| 00:04.25 | stoned | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2006-August/017527.html |
| 00:04.28 | peterS | urso_: the real question is, why aren't _you_ working on the package |
| 00:04.32 | stoned | ^^ about glucose |
| 00:04.36 | rahul | nvidia's shit is broken as fuck |
| 00:04.53 | stoned | rahul: what is broken? |
| 00:04.55 | urso_ | peterS ermmm ... i never think you need ... |
| 00:05.07 | stoned | rahul: which drivers, and what os? |
| 00:05.10 | stoned | er.. release |
| 00:05.12 | rahul | it compiles the wrong module |
| 00:05.18 | rahul | lenny |
| 00:05.33 | stoned | deb packages? |
| 00:05.36 | stoned | or binary driver? |
| 00:05.37 | rahul | yeah |
| 00:05.39 | stoned | hm |
| 00:05.54 | stoned | I only have etch and sid here on my nvidia boxes |
| 00:05.55 | rahul | so be careful if you upgrade :) |
| 00:05.57 | stoned | else is fglrx |
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| 00:06.05 | rahul | fglrx doesn't load for me :\ |
| 00:06.10 | rahul | [233583.107568] [fglrx:firegl_init_module] *ERROR* firegl_stub_register failed |
| 00:06.14 | stoned | I saw that earlier |
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| 00:06.25 | peterS | fglrx probably wouldn't load for me, but fortunately the X mga driver works fine |
| 00:06.32 | rahul | no clue wtf that's supposed to mean |
| 00:06.42 | stoned | I dont' know either |
| 00:06.44 | gravity | avivo ftw |
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| 00:06.48 | gravity | In theory |
| 00:06.56 | stoned | Theory In Practice |
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| 00:07.04 | stoned | oh reminds me, rahul get this band too :D |
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| 00:07.19 | urso_ | peterS do you really need someone to pakage the xgl? |
| 00:07.41 | stoned | urso_: its people like you who are kind enough to give their time and package software for debian. |
| 00:07.54 | peterS | urso_: no, I do not. I don't need xgl. but it sounds like _you_ need someone to package xgl. |
| 00:07.59 | stoned | urso_: we could help you get started on the right track if you want to help debian and contribute Xgl packages |
| 00:08.11 | rahul | stoned: sweedes, huh? |
| 00:08.14 | urso_ | o0 |
| 00:08.15 | gravity | We all have to start somewhere |
| 00:08.15 | urso_ | 0o |
| 00:08.17 | urso_ | :x |
| 00:08.17 | stoned | rahul: ? |
| 00:08.21 | rahul | can't find anything about them |
| 00:08.24 | rahul | theory in practice |
| 00:08.30 | stoned | rahul: yeh |
| 00:08.41 | gravity | You might start by maintaining a small perl script or a discarded old wm. Then you might find yourself maintaining something huge. Xgl is as good a place to start as any. |
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| 00:08.58 | peterS | gravity: ITA: pwm? |
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| 00:09.14 | gravity | peterS: I've asked for it to be removed from the archive. |
| 00:09.21 | peterS | good call, probably |
| 00:09.23 | gravity | Upstream asshattery ftw |
| 00:09.49 | PiousMinion | Anyone know why this doesn't work as expected? --> ln -s /dev/urandom /var/www/badstuff.txt |
| 00:09.59 | n3kl | How can I install a perl module from cpan on debian? |
| 00:10.01 | stoned | gravity: heh, I had to deal with upstream bs with smc |
| 00:10.04 | rahul | octavia sperati is some creppy stuff |
| 00:10.04 | stoned | ick! |
| 00:10.22 | peterS | PiousMinion: well, that would depend on what is expected. It should do what I expect it to do. |
| 00:10.31 | peterS | I don't know what you expect it to do |
| 00:10.40 | stoned | rahul: http://hem.passagen.se/theory/ |
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| 00:11.11 | PiousMinion | peterS: I was hoping it would begin dumping /dev/urandom to the browser, but it doesn't. Do you know how I can accomplish this? |
| 00:11.13 | stoned | PiousMinion: umm.. cat /dev/urandom > /bar/www/badstuff.txt |
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| 00:11.30 | solid_liq | !pingme |
| 00:11.33 | PiousMinion | stoned: That would quickly fill my entire hard drive. |
| 00:11.34 | stoned | PiousMinion: if I understand you correctly, why are you symlinking urandom to a txt file |
| 00:11.35 | bubux | anybody installed robocode in debian? it uses java. when I do "javaws robocode.jar" it displays an error about that it could not open my /tmp/ dir |
| 00:11.47 | peterS | PiousMinion: I suspect apache knows better than to serve a device file as a regular file |
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| 00:11.54 | rahul | their site sucks :\ |
| 00:12.00 | PiousMinion | stoned: boredom? proof of cocept? idk |
| 00:12.02 | stoned | rahul: you wanted info eh? |
| 00:12.02 | edistar | bubux: using sun java? |
| 00:12.13 | stoned | PiousMinion: oh well. good luck then, carry on |
| 00:12.29 | PiousMinion | peterS: Do you know any way around this? |
| 00:12.41 | peterS | PiousMinion: a 2-line CGI program? |
| 00:12.42 | stoned | !wayttd PiousMinion |
| 00:12.42 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, PiousMinion? |
| 00:13.01 | rahul | bah |
| 00:13.05 | bubux | edistar: yes |
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| 00:13.20 | PiousMinion | stoned: I'm trying to dump /dev/urandom to the browser window when someone goes where they shouldn't. |
| 00:13.20 | stoned | rahul: lemme guess, you aint got no flash! ahahahaha |
| 00:13.22 | peterS | #!/bin/sh echo 'Content-Type: application/octet-stream'; echo ''; cat /dev/urandom |
| 00:13.25 | peterS | ^^^ two lines of CGI |
| 00:13.44 | PiousMinion | peterS: Would that terminate upon killing the connection? |
| 00:13.50 | stoned | PiousMinion: why not just make it go to a cgi script and print a few pages of random chars |
| 00:13.56 | peterS | PiousMinion: why are you asking me? try it |
| 00:14.22 | PiousMinion | peterS: I ask because this is dangerous stuff. lol |
| 00:14.23 | stoned | wouldn't this quickly crash the browser |
| 00:14.30 | stoned | because it would continously keep trying to load text |
| 00:14.34 | peterS | PiousMinion: also, if I have an unmetered connection and yours has a bandwidth cap, you better hope I don't just 'wget -o /dev/null http://your_server/badurl.txt' |
| 00:14.36 | PiousMinion | stoned: Hopefully, yes |
| 00:14.37 | stoned | you're not terminating the cat of urandom? |
| 00:14.42 | stoned | PiousMinion: you suck! |
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| 00:15.17 | stoned | peterS: good point |
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| 00:15.20 | PiousMinion | stoned: Keep in mind this is only to be used on people that are trying to go where it is advertised that they shouldn't. |
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| 00:15.36 | stoned | well if you advertise, they _will_ go |
| 00:15.39 | stoned | human nature |
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| 00:15.58 | peterS | PiousMinion: a better trick is the old 20000x20000 jpeg, that only eats a few kb of your bandwidth |
| 00:15.59 | bubux | edistar: yes i'm using sun's java.. can you help me? |
| 00:16.05 | fungos | another debian noob question.. I have a script in /etc/init.d where I need to "register" it so it starts at boot? |
| 00:16.07 | rahul | wow, nuclear blast wants to spam me |
| 00:16.14 | stoned | peterS: hey what now? |
| 00:16.22 | rahul | all their bands are asking me to sign up to their email lists :P |
| 00:16.23 | stoned | peterS: what trick is this? |
| 00:16.36 | Fjordside | fungos, use update-rc.d |
| 00:16.36 | edistar | bubux: I can't remember how I installed it... that must have been in sarge |
| 00:16.40 | peterS | stoned: a way to eat all of someone's memory without a lot of bandwidth commitment |
| 00:16.47 | PiousMinion | peterS: Yeah, I suppose I could use the hubble's ultra deep field photo. 8) |
| 00:16.53 | stoned | ahh devious |
| 00:16.58 | edistar | bubux: sry |
| 00:17.09 | stoned | thats what, 4mil pixels |
| 00:17.09 | peterS | PiousMinion: no no no, an empty jpeg that happens to be 20000 pixels on a side. it can be made in only a few kB, if that much |
| 00:17.19 | rahul | what does century media have to do with nuclear blast? |
| 00:17.20 | peterS | stoned: 400mil |
| 00:17.26 | rahul | oh, I know people I can ask |
| 00:17.28 | stoned | peterS: oh yeh, thats right |
| 00:17.33 | ben_goodger | stoned: all one colour :) |
| 00:17.35 | PiousMinion | peterS: truly evil. hehe |
| 00:17.46 | peterS | stoned: browsers tend to try to actually render the whole thing and keep it in RAM in an uncompressed form. fun. |
| 00:17.46 | ben_goodger | indexing has a field day, your browser doesn't |
| 00:17.46 | stoned | of course, if possible make it while so they think the window is empty too |
| 00:17.47 | stoned | ;) |
| 00:18.00 | Bigbang | hello. Can anyone tell me how i can partition my disk with debian-installer. I am connected in SSH, and i have this menu : http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=debianinstallertb6.jpg |
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| 00:18.03 | ben_goodger | peterS: would it hose a 2GiB system? |
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| 00:18.08 | peterS | ben_goodger: try it |
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| 00:18.27 | peterS | ben_goodger: "hose" is a poor term anyway, on Linux your browser will be killed by the OOM killer and the rest of the system will probably be fine |
| 00:18.30 | ben_goodger | Bigbang: hit "download installer components" after doing the other stuff |
| 00:18.32 | rahul | stoned: QR is giving a guitar clinic in jersey soon |
| 00:18.35 | stoned | Bigbang: download install components |
| 00:18.41 | stoned | installer* |
| 00:18.51 | Bigbang | ok thanks |
| 00:18.58 | ben_goodger | peterS: actually, stuff quite frequently crashes X to the extent of ctrl-alt-backspace not working nowadays |
| 00:18.59 | stoned | Bigbang: that will give you the partitioner |
| 00:19.01 | Bigbang | i was thinking to partition _before_ |
| 00:19.04 | bubux | edistar: u managed to install it? |
| 00:19.07 | Bigbang | ok, thanks stoned |
| 00:19.13 | stoned | Bigbang: don't worry, installer components load into ramdisk |
| 00:19.14 | edistar | bubux: yes, some time ago |
| 00:19.19 | karmatronic | rahul: QR? |
| 00:19.20 | Bigbang | ok :) |
| 00:19.31 | PiousMinion | peterS: Any idea on how someone would make such an image without killing their own computer? |
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| 00:19.44 | rahul | queensryche |
| 00:19.48 | karmatronic | ok |
| 00:19.51 | bubux | edistar: u cant remeber any problems you ran into... by the way sun java is javaws command right? |
| 00:19.56 | peterS | PiousMinion: if I knew I wouldn't tell you. that's the sort of cleverness I won't help someone pretend to have done by himself |
| 00:20.09 | stoned | such nobility |
| 00:20.13 | stoned | I am proud |
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| 00:20.17 | peterS | you should be |
| 00:20.18 | stoned | I was thinking of tellin |
| 00:20.19 | PiousMinion | ram gone! ram gone! lol |
| 00:20.20 | stoned | heh |
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| 00:20.23 | stoned | I change my mind now |
| 00:20.31 | PiousMinion | shucks |
| 00:20.37 | edistar | bubux: javaws is java web start |
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| 00:20.59 | peterS | PiousMinion: the trick is not to kill your _own_ machine in the jpeg manufacturing process |
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| 00:21.20 | PiousMinion | peterS: Aye, that's my current obstacle. |
| 00:21.25 | edistar | bubux: do you mean javaw? |
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| 00:21.42 | karmatronic | printscreen cant be assigned in my gnome 2.14 ... |
| 00:21.57 | karmatronic | printscreen key |
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| 00:22.16 | PiousMinion | I love this part of IRC. |
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| 00:22.24 | peterS | we love netsplits |
| 00:22.24 | bubux | edistar: no here it's javaws |
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| 00:22.36 | abrotman | kind of which highways would do that |
| 00:22.39 | edistar | bubux: okey...? |
| 00:22.40 | stoned | I ignore all this |
| 00:22.46 | stoned | 08:21 10 *: CRAP JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS CLIENTCRAP |
| 00:22.49 | abrotman | wish |
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| 00:23.01 | stoned | this way my window stays clean and nice |
| 00:23.29 | stoned | I can focus on conversation rather than who did what |
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| 00:23.29 | ben_goodger | stoned: you use KDE, don't lecture us about window cleanliness XD |
| 00:23.29 | westyvw | After a few updates recently, my debian sid box no longer will auto mount usb devices. KDE catches the signal but then gives an error. Did they change something? Do i need a newer kernel? |
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| 00:23.30 | bubux | edistar: so how i'm suposed to run a jar file in debian? |
| 00:23.41 | edistar | bubux: why don't you run java -jar file.jar? |
| 00:23.45 | stoned | ben_goodger: don't judge lest you be judged my friend. |
| 00:24.09 | alaya_ | java -jar jfreechart-0.9.8-demo.jar |
| 00:24.09 | edistar | or javaw -jar file.jar if you don't want a console.. |
| 00:24.18 | peterS | stoned: you don't think ben_goodger wants to be judged your friend? |
| 00:24.18 | stoned | KDE is a some solid software |
| 00:24.25 | stoned | lol |
| 00:24.28 | rahul | my poop is solid, too |
| 00:24.34 | stoned | dude... |
| 00:24.41 | peterS | rahul: that's what we call wetware, though |
| 00:24.42 | rahul | man |
| 00:24.44 | rahul | heh |
| 00:24.47 | stoned | word |
| 00:24.52 | ben_goodger | stoned: I don't pay attention to homophobic/misogynistic literature |
| 00:24.54 | bubux | edistar: thanks! i just did! it cmplained about the version of my java isntalled! ouch! i'm at 1.4.2 it requires 1.5 at least. what should I do to get higher version in debian? |
| 00:24.55 | abrotman | ah .. welcome to the middle school version of #debian |
| 00:25.12 | karsten | ben_goodger: OT. |
| 00:25.12 | edistar | bubux: you running lenny? |
| 00:25.19 | edistar | or just download it from sun.com |
| 00:25.19 | ben_goodger | abrotman: the point being? |
| 00:25.29 | abrotman | ben_goodger: wasn't referring to you |
| 00:25.35 | edistar | bubux: you can always install the latest sun java by hand |
| 00:25.42 | rahul | he was referring to my poop |
| 00:25.42 | stoned | ben_goodger: ok, I have no idea wtf you're talking about, and your mindless hatred and yammering aint doing nothing.. so unless you have something constructive or useful, please feel free, no, feel encourage to not address me. |
| 00:25.43 | alaya_ | sorry my net connnection died earlier. do i need to set EDITOR env variable for visudo to not use the ugly default editor instead of vim? |
| 00:25.44 | bubux | edistar: what's lenny? |
| 00:25.53 | rahul | so um yeah... laundry |
| 00:25.59 | edistar | bubux: the testing version of debian |
| 00:26.05 | ben_goodger | abrotman: goodo, but I still don't understand what you mean by middle school |
| 00:26.10 | karmatronic | bubux: a srv song |
| 00:26.12 | edistar | newer packages but not quite so stable ;) |
| 00:26.12 | abrotman | ben_goodger: it's okay .. carry on :) |
| 00:26.13 | alaya_ | edistar: using java-package is better though |
| 00:26.24 | edistar | alaya_: but if it's not available? |
| 00:26.26 | bubux | edistar: i'm using etch |
| 00:26.44 | alaya_ | edistar: its not? |
| 00:27.03 | alaya_ | !info java-package |
| 00:27.04 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.29 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 416 kB |
| 00:27.09 | alaya_ | oh |
| 00:27.14 | edistar | alaya_: thats what bubux just said? |
| 00:27.16 | bubux | edistar: i'm using etch and my synaptic says i have sun's java 5 installed (which should be 1.5) but when I run the jar file it says I have 1.4.2 and wount install! |
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| 00:28.15 | edistar | bubux: do a 'java -version' in the console |
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| 00:29.09 | edistar | bubux: what does it say? please use a no-paste service ;) |
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| 00:29.29 | bubux | edistar: found the problem! java is pointing to gij java interpreter! not sun's! when I do java --version it says: "Usage: gij [OPTION] ... CLASS [ARGS] ..." |
| 00:29.42 | alaya_ | search google for debian backport java-package |
| 00:29.45 | edistar | bubux: I thought so ;) |
| 00:29.49 | edistar | then change it :P |
| 00:29.51 | westyvw | my usb devices stopped automounting. KDE catches the signal they are plugged in, but they wont mount. If connected at boot they will mount fine. I have been using debian sid. Has something changed? |
| 00:30.06 | bubux | edistar: if I uninstall gij open office will still work? |
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| 00:30.19 | alaya_ | or better google for debian backport java-package -ubuntu |
| 00:30.21 | bubux | edistar: how should I change it? update-alternative? |
| 00:30.22 | edistar | you shouldn't need to uninstall |
| 00:30.38 | edistar | bubux: try tha |
| 00:30.38 | edistar | t |
| 00:31.00 | Maerz | i just recompiled my kernel, i enabled acpi and battery, but /proc/acpi/battery is empty |
| 00:31.03 | Maerz | why ? |
| 00:31.17 | edistar | bubux: can't remember at the moment how to change it.. |
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| 00:31.29 | alaya_ | Maerz: is battery module loaded? |
| 00:31.56 | Maerz | i compiled it into the kernel, not as module |
| 00:32.10 | bubux | edistar: thnks for all infor |
| 00:32.23 | Maerz | do i still have to load it as module ? |
| 00:32.37 | edistar | bubux: you're welcome :) |
| 00:32.51 | alaya_ | Maerz: not in that case no |
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| 00:34.04 | hobophobe | My 'users and groups' (provided by gnome-system-tools) is empty? |
| 00:34.25 | rahul | hobophobe: man adduser |
| 00:34.30 | fungos | I cant find any mod_svn on packages. where is this? |
| 00:34.36 | rahul | it's rather easy |
| 00:34.45 | rahul | libapache2-mod-svn maybe? |
| 00:34.54 | rahul | hrm |
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| 00:35.03 | hobophobe | Err, well before it had the existing user/groups information, it's just completely empty of any users/groups now |
| 00:35.14 | rahul | fungos: can't find it either.. |
| 00:35.19 | rahul | !find mod_svn |
| 00:35.25 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mod_svn' returned no results. |
| 00:35.25 | fungos | libapache2-svn |
| 00:35.40 | rahul | funky |
| 00:35.44 | fungos | lol |
| 00:35.53 | rahul | and the file isn't mod_svn... |
| 00:36.05 | rahul | oh well. no my problem :) |
| 00:36.07 | alaya_ | libapache2-svn |
| 00:36.26 | fungos | weird naming.. |
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| 00:36.36 | hobophobe | ie, 'users-admin' is empty |
| 00:36.50 | stoned | rahul: I just scored the Physics of Fire.. good stuff |
| 00:37.15 | alaya_ | dav_svn is the one to enable with a2enmod |
| 00:37.16 | stoned | oh not identified |
| 00:37.19 | westyvw | ok lets see if i fixed it or not |
| 00:37.37 | rahul | stoned: hmm, punky stuff? |
| 00:37.43 | stoned | nah man |
| 00:37.48 | stoned | query |
| 00:37.53 | rahul | it's on smartpunk heh |
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| 00:39.13 | bubux | edistar: works like a charm! thanks alot for yer patience! |
| 00:39.48 | bubux | edistar: now i'll pwn in my college robocode maraton! |
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| 00:44.36 | Cripps | is there somewhere I can grab a copy of gnash for etch, or do I have to go through backports to get it? |
| 00:44.47 | abrotman | yep .. backports |
| 00:44.50 | Cripps | sorry, I should specify, gnash for etch in x86_64 |
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| 00:44.58 | Cripps | abrotman, k. Thanks. |
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| 00:45.35 | hobophobe | ah, for the record it's a bug in libnet-dbus-perl: 430186 |
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| 00:46.19 | tacos[1] | how do I check what version of debian I'm on? |
| 00:46.34 | tacos[1] | also what default text internet browser is in debian? |
| 00:46.38 | dererk | tacos[1], cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 00:46.51 | dererk | tacos[1], check /etc/alternatives/ |
| 00:47.08 | tacos[1] | do i have to specify the path to run the browser? |
| 00:47.26 | tacos[1] | # /etc/alternatives/links mywebsite.com (?) |
| 00:47.48 | abrotman | there is no default .. you have to install one |
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| 00:47.57 | baikonur | hi |
| 00:48.02 | metbsd | i want to set locale when kdm is up, which file should i put these setting? |
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| 00:48.48 | tacos[1] | cat /etc/debian_version -> no such file or directory |
| 00:48.54 | dfinn | does Debian have anything like setroubleshoot (RH/Fedora) for helping fix problems that pop up with selinux? |
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| 00:50.23 | Cripps | God I love apt ... and all it's quirky goodness. |
| 00:50.29 | Cripps | apt-get cow |
| 00:50.31 | westyvw | I changed the automount.conf and added vfat and now they usb devices mount. But that cant be the correct way to do things, cause I cant remove the devices as a user. What has changed. Debian Sid, old kernel |
| 00:50.39 | dvs | Cripps: heh |
| 00:50.43 | Cripps | dvs, :) |
| 00:50.47 | dvs | Cripps: it's "apt-get moo" |
| 00:50.49 | westyvw | is auto mount even used in debian anymore? |
| 00:50.55 | Cripps | dvs, oops, my bad :P |
| 00:51.08 | dvs | !moo |
| 00:51.08 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 00:51.13 | Cripps | either way ... I love the cow :D |
| 00:51.26 | Cripps | oh my goodness ... I thought I was the only one who knew that song!!! |
| 00:51.35 | dererk | tacos[1], you may use galternatives |
| 00:51.41 | Cripps | "I am Cow" by the Arrogant Worms. |
| 00:51.59 | dvs | The Arrogant Words? |
| 00:52.02 | dvs | Worms? |
| 00:52.07 | dvs | They're Canadian! |
| 00:52.08 | Cripps | although, dpkg is missing some words and stuff. |
| 00:52.12 | Cripps | dvs, sure are :D |
| 00:52.24 | westyvw | sry not automount, USBmount |
| 00:53.10 | Cripps | and they have other hits such as "Canada is Really Big," "The Last Saskatchewan Pirate," "The war of 1812," "Jesus Brother Bob," "Carrot Juice is Murder," and "History is made by stupid people." |
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| 00:53.56 | anapivirtua | Mooh / Ola / Hi / Soir` |
| 00:54.04 | Cripps | Moo. |
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| 00:55.46 | baikonur | what is resaonable value for /proc/sys/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_tcp_timeout_established and /proc/sys/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_udp_timeout_stream on wireless home router? on which criteria can I decide what a good value is? |
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| 00:56.35 | CX|Anthony | Hi all , when i stop my bind9 i have this error |
| 00:56.39 | CX|Anthony | Stopping domain name service: namedrndc: connect failed: connection refused |
| 00:56.45 | CX|Anthony | What is the problem please ? |
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| 01:02.29 | grimboy | I used this tool/config file to give usb drives a constant /dev/ name but I can't remember its name to change it. Anyone know? |
| 01:02.55 | stew | grimboy: udev? |
| 01:03.08 | grimboy | That's probably it, thanks. |
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| 01:04.29 | chuckkh | I installed with Etch disks and got my wireless working with a patched kernel (bcm43xx); then apt-get dist-upgrade with unstable killed my wireless; is there a command to downgrade everything that was installed from the web repository? |
| 01:04.36 | n3kl__ | Anyone know how I can install a perl module? |
| 01:04.50 | chuckkh | or if not a command, a method |
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| 01:04.55 | metbsd | apt-get install <perl module> |
| 01:05.03 | stew | n3kl__: which? |
| 01:05.16 | n3kl__ | stew: RTF::Writer |
| 01:05.16 | metbsd | aptitide install <enter your favourite perl module name here> |
| 01:05.22 | stew | n3kl__: in general, for Foo::Bar, look for a package named libfoo-bar-perl |
| 01:05.56 | stew | n3kl__: or search with apt-file for Writer.pm (/msg dpkg apt-file) ; if you don't find it with any of those methods, /msg dpkg dh_make_perl |
| 01:05.59 | n3kl__ | metbsd: I don't see the module I am looking for in apt |
| 01:06.20 | stew | !dh_make_perl is <reply> see dh-make-perl |
| 01:06.20 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 01:08.32 | chuckkh | like to replace everything with the version from the CDs |
| 01:08.36 | n3kl__ | stew: thanks |
| 01:08.43 | chuckkh | I already commented out the unstable repository |
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| 01:09.57 | stew | chuckkh: /msg dpkg downgrade |
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| 01:10.55 | dureyes | unable to get Helix player to run on x86 64, has anyone got this working? |
| 01:11.48 | DavidProck1981 | hi, my pc is starting to get slugish and i have not done any thing besides what i do every day, would any one be able to tell me how to approach the problem |
| 01:12.47 | abrotman | dureyes: tried getting the source package and installing that ? |
| 01:13.16 | n3kl__ | is debuild a sarge thing? |
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| 01:14.32 | dureyes | abortman: do you have it working on a 64 bit machine?..I iwll try the source........ |
| 01:15.08 | stoned | hahaha |
| 01:15.12 | stoned | abort man |
| 01:15.22 | abrotman | dureyes: i'm not rich enough for 64bits :) |
| 01:16.09 | abrotman | the drivers for my wifi aren't exactly resilient to the router losing power |
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| 01:19.42 | chuckkh | stew: thanks |
| 01:19.47 | rahul | foop |
| 01:19.55 | DavidProck1981 | any one know how i can tell why my pc is starting to get laggy |
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| 01:20.11 | metbsd | where do i set locale for kdm/kde |
| 01:20.23 | rahul | DavidProck1981: top? iostat? |
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| 01:20.51 | cafuego | abrotman: 64bit boxes are pretty much the only thing you can buy these days ;-) |
| 01:20.58 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: are you swapping a lot ? |
| 01:21.06 | abrotman | cafuego: i know .. my lappy is a p4 |
| 01:21.12 | rahul | stoned: wow, I'm dizzy |
| 01:21.19 | DavidProck1981 | abrotman how would i tell |
| 01:21.26 | abrotman | free or vmstat |
| 01:21.35 | rahul | this archetype shit rocks |
| 01:21.39 | rahul | anyway. |
| 01:21.49 | rahul | oh shit, speaking of music |
| 01:21.55 | cafuego | dureyes: I run .rm files via mplayer on 64bit, with w64codecs. |
| 01:23.23 | rahul | bah, I think I got dumped into call waiting |
| 01:23.42 | DavidProck1981 | abrotman: i dont know how to determan the out put from free or vmstat , to tell if im swating a lot |
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| 01:23.53 | abrotman | rahul: better than call denied |
| 01:23.58 | rahul | heh |
| 01:24.00 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: are there si/so numbers? |
| 01:24.07 | rahul | that house has like 6 people in it |
| 01:24.10 | dureyes | carfuego: thanks..will look into that.. |
| 01:24.22 | DavidProck1981 | no it is on 0 |
| 01:24.25 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:24.26 | rahul | and she doesn't have her own cell |
| 01:24.34 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: check top .. |
| 01:25.27 | DavidProck1981 | hot can i tell top to put it in the order that i need to see what would cause the lag |
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| 01:25.49 | DavidProck1981 | high to low |
| 01:26.14 | abrotman | it is already sorted that way |
| 01:26.40 | ericP | i am trying to install apt (which went away on a lark) but it needs libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 |
| 01:26.52 | ericP | apt-get install libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 tells me it's installing apt instead |
| 01:27.13 | rahul | ericP: *blink* |
| 01:27.22 | rahul | how....? |
| 01:27.32 | ericP | dunno. i never saw that before |
| 01:27.37 | ericP | 'course, i wasn't looking at it |
| 01:27.43 | ericP | s/at/for/ |
| 01:27.47 | DavidProck1981 | abrotman which of the following catagorys should i pay attition to, PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM |
| 01:27.49 | rahul | that's what she said |
| 01:27.59 | ericP | so maybe this sort of substitution happens regularly when i avert my eyes |
| 01:28.01 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: if you're looking for CPU usage .,.. what do you think? |
| 01:28.18 | rahul | heh, that's what I did to her! |
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| 01:28.33 | DavidProck1981 | i was thinking about mem too |
| 01:28.49 | rahul | ericP: apt-get dist-upgrade should fix it, I think |
| 01:29.03 | rahul | hrm, or will that install important packages |
| 01:29.18 | slack101 | who wants to help me out and has 10 minutes to spare ? :P |
| 01:29.19 | ericP | rahul, tried that a few times |
| 01:29.20 | rahul | ericP: oh, apt provides that dependency |
| 01:29.22 | DavidProck1981 | i do have a xine open that locked up and it wont pkill |
| 01:29.23 | rahul | Provides: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 |
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| 01:29.47 | ericP | 'zactly. but the aptitude package isn't satisfied somehow |
| 01:29.54 | rahul | hrm |
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| 01:29.58 | h3sp4wn | ericP: put it on hold or install aptitude/experimental |
| 01:30.02 | ericP | i imagine most folks here run sid |
| 01:30.07 | rahul | no |
| 01:30.10 | DavidProck1981 | its %CPU is changing in the high 50's |
| 01:30.24 | rahul | a broken sid is a broken sid |
| 01:30.34 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: kill -9 the process |
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| 01:30.47 | h3sp4wn | ericP: (easiest to aptitude hold apt) |
| 01:30.50 | ericP | rahul, yeah, but i thought it would sort itself out in a couple days |
| 01:31.00 | cafuego | ericP: The sane one (in control of production systems) run etch and sarge, I would hazard. |
| 01:31.14 | ericP | h3sp4wn, how would i do that with apt-get (remember, no aptitude) |
| 01:31.21 | cafuego | coz if yopu tell the boss "it would sort itself out in a couple days" you get to look for a new job ;-) |
| 01:31.29 | ericP | guess i have to admit that i'm nto /away |
| 01:31.35 | DavidProck1981 | that worked, that is hte -9 for |
| 01:31.42 | h3sp4wn | ericP: you already forced it to upgrade / |
| 01:31.44 | abrotman | man kill |
| 01:32.15 | ericP | h3sp4wn, i did the update, dist-upgrade dance; and stepped on no toes |
| 01:32.18 | CompWizrd | i should upgrade my last woody box |
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| 01:32.25 | h3sp4wn | ericP: with aptitude ? |
| 01:32.33 | ericP | h3sp4wn, apt-get |
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| 01:32.40 | abrotman | CompWizrd: oh .. that should be fun |
| 01:32.46 | abrotman | CompWizrd: i'll trade you |
| 01:32.47 | DavidProck1981 | abrotman xorg is in hte 20's , Is that good? |
| 01:32.57 | CompWizrd | abrotman: eh, it's only running squid, that can't possibly be much of an upgrade ;) |
| 01:32.58 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: doesn't sound abnormal |
| 01:33.03 | h3sp4wn | ericP: do you use apt-get or aptitude most of the time |
| 01:33.06 | abrotman | CompWizrd: i'll totally trade! |
| 01:33.12 | CompWizrd | what are you trading me? |
| 01:33.22 | ericP | h3sp4wn, aptitude, except when it mysteriously disappears |
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| 01:33.44 | h3sp4wn | ericP: I find it hard to believe that aptitude would suggest to remove itself |
| 01:33.48 | CompWizrd | i found a potato box a few months back, mkfs upgraded it nicely. |
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| 01:34.21 | ericP | h3sp4wn, i don't think it looks for itself in the remove list |
| 01:34.25 | h3sp4wn | ericP: You can either install the apt from lenny or the aptitude from experimental |
| 01:34.33 | DavidProck1981 | h3sp4wn, hay i hade that problem once, a goog while back |
| 01:34.49 | ericP | h3sp4wn, "E: Release 'experimental' for 'aptitude' was not found" |
| 01:34.56 | ericP | (sure, i typed that) |
| 01:35.07 | DavidProck1981 | aptitude tri to remove it self when i tri to fix a dependicy problem one time |
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| 01:35.30 | abrotman | ericP: who the heck is the admin ? |
| 01:35.34 | ericP | DavidProck1981, come to think if it, that seems familiar |
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| 01:35.46 | ericP | abrotman, the putative admin is myself |
| 01:35.53 | abrotman | !punt ericP |
| 01:36.00 | ericP | abrotman, though i am secretly debian's bitch |
| 01:36.11 | abrotman | who's your daddy |
| 01:36.20 | rahul | who's yo' mommy! |
| 01:36.32 | DavidProck1981 | ericP what depindice was u tring to fix |
| 01:36.34 | h3sp4wn | ericP: user error |
| 01:36.43 | h3sp4wn | !info aptitude experimental |
| 01:36.45 | dpkg | aptitude: (terminal-based apt frontend), section admin, is important. Version: 0.4.5.3-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 2871 kB, Installed size: 8924 kB |
| 01:37.06 | h3sp4wn | ericP: just get apt 0.6.x from lenny |
| 01:37.31 | ericP | h3sp4wn, got an apt-get syntax for that? |
| 01:37.38 | ericP | (i suppose i need to add more sources) |
| 01:37.51 | h3sp4wn | -t |
| 01:38.11 | slack101 | hey i keep getitng failed to mount local file systems |
| 01:38.13 | slack101 | help me out |
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| 01:39.08 | abrotman | what's the actual error |
| 01:39.14 | DavidProck1981 | slack101 what type of partition is it |
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| 01:39.37 | slack101 | it is extr2 |
| 01:39.39 | slack101 | ext2 |
| 01:39.54 | DavidProck1981 | what command did u tri to use |
| 01:40.15 | slack101 | my datacenter said when they started the system |
| 01:40.19 | slack101 | thats the error it got |
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| 01:40.59 | fungos | why mysql depends on perl? |
| 01:41.41 | DavidProck1981 | slack101 do this cat /proc/partitions |
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| 01:42.05 | DavidProck1981 | and see if u r useing the correct device |
| 01:42.23 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.31 | slack101 | they actually set me up a network booted system |
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| 01:42.36 | abrotman | slack101: what's the error text ? |
| 01:42.36 | slack101 | so i have full accessto the HD |
| 01:42.47 | slack101 | ..failed ....to mount local filesystem |
| 01:43.13 | DavidProck1981 | i dont know any thing about a network boot |
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| 01:43.17 | abrotman | the *actual* error |
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| 01:44.15 | DavidProck1981 | # cat /proc/partitions , and see if u can see what u r tring to mount |
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| 01:45.22 | slack101 | abrotman, where do i get that |
| 01:45.27 | slack101 | i asked them for that 6 times |
| 01:45.38 | DavidProck1981 | ask who what |
| 01:45.38 | abrotman | you donh't hve a console ? |
| 01:45.43 | slack101 | i do |
| 01:45.47 | slack101 | i can chroot into it |
| 01:46.01 | abrotman | okay .. so copy the text error |
| 01:46.30 | slack101 | from where ? |
| 01:46.42 | slack101 | i never saw the error the datacenter said it through that error |
| 01:46.55 | abrotman | so you can mount it just fine from the chroot |
| 01:46.56 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:47.47 | DavidProck1981 | slack101: is it mounted and u just dont have permission to access it, Or is it mounted at all? |
| 01:47.59 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 01:47.59 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 01:48.02 | slack101 | i will say this again |
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| 01:48.25 | slack101 | My real Server ........... wont boot i guess i dont know failed to mount local filesystems |
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| 01:49.01 | slack101 | they said |
| 01:49.01 | abrotman | they didn't give you the actual error ? |
| 01:49.07 | abrotman | a new kernel ? |
| 01:49.14 | jarick | slack101: This is a boottime error? |
| 01:49.17 | DavidProck1981 | dont know failed to, did u make a typo/wordO |
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| 01:49.30 | slack101 | i will put your server in neteor boot mode |
| 01:49.33 | slack101 | so you can access your HD |
| 01:49.37 | slack101 | so here i am |
| 01:49.44 | slack101 | yes a bootime error |
| 01:49.46 | abrotman | can you mount the HDD now ? |
| 01:49.49 | slack101 | yep |
| 01:49.55 | slack101 | i am in network boot mode |
| 01:49.59 | slack101 | i am chroot into it too |
| 01:50.07 | abrotman | slack101: did you change kernels before this started happening ? |
| 01:50.17 | plb | I'm trying to use the native bcm43xx drivers with my Dell Wireless 1390 card and it doesn't seem to be working right. Any ideas of what I could try. |
| 01:50.18 | slack101 | thee server was formatted |
| 01:50.24 | slack101 | and i put a bare debian on it |
| 01:50.28 | abrotman | plb: did you use the fwcutter ? |
| 01:50.30 | slack101 | andn ow i have these problems :P |
| 01:50.35 | plb | abrotman: yes |
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| 01:51.57 | abrotman | slack101: can you paste an lspci somewhere ? |
| 01:52.10 | plb | abrotman: at least I think it ran... how can I make sure it worked? |
| 01:52.24 | abrotman | look for the firmware on your system |
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| 01:53.04 | plb | I a bunch of .fw files both in /lib/firmware and /lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 01:53.31 | slack101 | http://phpfi.com/245438 |
| 01:53.42 | slack101 | this server had worked before |
| 01:53.50 | slack101 | i dunno what the actual problem is |
| 01:53.52 | abrotman | slack101: so what'd you change ? |
| 01:54.00 | slack101 | i deleted what was on it |
| 01:54.03 | slack101 | and re installed debian |
| 01:54.07 | slack101 | did a deboostrap |
| 01:54.12 | slack101 | installed the kernnel |
| 01:54.44 | DavidProck1981 | im out |
| 01:55.11 | slack101 | so now i got this problem |
| 01:55.19 | slack101 | looks ot be a very simple one if i get it fixed |
| 01:55.32 | slack101 | i need to configure the network too |
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| 01:55.42 | plb | ugh I think my kernel is too old |
| 01:58.00 | plb | bcm43xx.berlios.de says I needed at least 2.6.20 |
| 01:58.01 | plb | :-P |
| 01:58.15 | slack101 | abrotman, any help here ? |
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| 01:58.37 | cafuego | plb: bcm43xx has worked for me since 2.6.17 or so |
| 01:58.43 | abrotman | slack101: you'd need the actual error |
| 01:58.48 | slack101 | damn |
| 01:58.53 | slack101 | where is the error ? |
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| 01:59.03 | slack101 | would it appear at bootup ? |
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| 01:59.08 | plb | cafuego: yes, but my chipset needs 2.6.20 |
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| 01:59.17 | abrotman | slack101: the last line ? |
| 01:59.21 | plb | 4311 PCI-E Supported for kernel 2.6.20.6 and later |
| 01:59.24 | slack101 | of whaat ? |
| 01:59.29 | cafuego | ah ok |
| 01:59.44 | cafuego | plb: just bould a kernel.org 2.6.21 or something |
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| 02:00.24 | sweetandy | Hey - how do I explicitly tell apt to ignore a specific package, for example, "xmail"? |
| 02:00.38 | plb | I'm updating right now... I am just annoyed it was something so simple :-P |
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| 02:02.01 | jefferleonardo | tem algum brasileiro aí q usa o debian BR |
| 02:02.02 | jefferleonardo | ? |
| 02:02.19 | cafuego | !br |
| 02:02.20 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:02.34 | jefferleonardo | valeu! |
| 02:03.35 | slack101 | abrotman, anyting ? |
| 02:03.35 | slack101 | i really help here damn |
| 02:03.35 | slack101 | almost 2 days of this |
| 02:03.35 | mike | damn |
| 02:03.40 | abrotman | slack101: so get them to install debian again ? |
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| 02:03.57 | slack101 | the point of the thing was for me to use my own install os debian |
| 02:04.06 | slack101 | if i just get this problem fixed i think it will be fine |
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| 02:04.19 | abrotman | slack101: sure ..but you don't even have the actual error |
| 02:04.25 | slack101 | how w ould i get it |
| 02:04.28 | slack101 | so i can tell them ? |
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| 02:05.26 | semprix | hi guys |
| 02:05.43 | semprix | i wanted to install fluxbox but im having an error |
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| 02:05.52 | semprix | E: Couldn't find package fluxbox |
| 02:05.57 | semprix | any idea? |
| 02:06.01 | semprix | im quite new to debian |
| 02:06.12 | abrotman | do you have an http source ? |
| 02:06.20 | mike | semprix: kde/Gnome no good/ |
| 02:06.29 | jefferleonardo | !br |
| 02:06.29 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:06.42 | slack101 | abrotman, how can i get the eerror what can i tell them to look for is it on the boot screen ? |
| 02:06.46 | semprix | abrotman: what do you mean http source? |
| 02:06.54 | Kevin` | semprix since I know that package exists, it's almost surely a problem that you don't have the proper sources listed for apt |
| 02:06.59 | abrotman | slack101: should be in the last few lines |
| 02:07.04 | abrotman | semprix: in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:07.05 | Kevin` | semprix /etc/apt/sources.lst |
| 02:07.11 | slack101 | abrotman, of what ? |
| 02:07.11 | semprix | Kevin yeah |
| 02:07.24 | semprix | do you have any sources.lst file somewhere? |
| 02:07.32 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 02:07.32 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 02:07.34 | abrotman | slack101: of the boot |
| 02:07.43 | semprix | internet line got cut off during installation:( |
| 02:08.46 | slack101 | abrotman, anyway i can to a test boot ? |
| 02:08.52 | slack101 | i am chroot into it right now |
| 02:08.54 | semprix | thanks guys |
| 02:08.58 | slack101 | anyway i can do a test run of the kerrnel ? |
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| 02:09.33 | semprix | main contrib non-free |
| 02:09.36 | plb | grumble grumble... battery died... *stomps off to get the power adaptor* |
| 02:09.40 | semprix | what do you mean by non-free? |
| 02:09.54 | rahul | non-free |
| 02:10.06 | rahul | it's not free software. |
| 02:10.14 | Sorteiro | algum brasileiro aí? nao estou conseguindo entrar no debian-br... meu nick nao ta registrado e nao está registrando agora |
| 02:10.16 | slack101 | fuck |
| 02:10.18 | plb | !free |
| 02:10.18 | slack101 | fuck |
| 02:10.18 | dpkg | from memory, free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 02:10.21 | slack101 | i think i found the problem |
| 02:10.23 | slack101 | fuck |
| 02:10.28 | slack101 | in my lilo |
| 02:10.29 | MangosDebian | slack101: .... |
| 02:10.29 | slack101 | i put |
| 02:10.31 | slack101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.37 | rahul | fuck |
| 02:10.37 | abrotman | is it sata or scsi ? |
| 02:10.38 | slack101 | root is just / |
| 02:10.49 | mike | or # |
| 02:10.49 | cafuego | slack101: mind minding your language? |
| 02:10.50 | abrotman | no |
| 02:10.54 | slack101 | ? |
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| 02:10.56 | mike | y |
| 02:10.58 | slack101 | sorry for the language |
| 02:11.06 | abrotman | root is not just / |
| 02:11.11 | rahul | slack101: / means nothing if you don't know what device it is |
| 02:11.12 | MangosDebian | swing batta batta batta swing.....STRIKE 1! :) |
| 02:11.19 | rahul | root IS /, by definition |
| 02:11.30 | abrotman | rahul: FFS .. pay attention .. lay off the crack |
| 02:11.32 | mike | rahul: ok |
| 02:11.32 | rahul | you have to say what it is, not what it is heh |
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| 02:11.39 | slack101 | ahh |
| 02:11.43 | slack101 | i guess i was right |
| 02:11.52 | abrotman | no .. you're wrong |
| 02:11.57 | semprix | how do i search packageS? |
| 02:11.59 | mike | (*_*) |
| 02:12.00 | rahul | yes, you're wrong |
| 02:12.01 | semprix | !search |
| 02:12.02 | dpkg | somebody said search was try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 02:12.05 | rahul | heh |
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| 02:13.00 | slack101 | abrotman, does this look right ? |
| 02:13.23 | slack101 | http://phpfi.com/245441 |
| 02:13.58 | slack101 | or anyone who wants to look |
| 02:14.02 | slack101 | amke sure that looks right |
| 02:14.53 | slack101 | something is causing this to say failed ot mount local file systems |
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| 02:15.14 | abrotman | slack101: looks fine assuming they're sata or scsi drives |
| 02:15.24 | slack101 | sata |
| 02:15.36 | slack101 | i assume |
| 02:15.44 | slack101 | since it says sata controller in lscpci or w/e |
| 02:15.47 | jnguy | Anyone seen the /. on Vista security vs rest of world? |
| 02:16.09 | MangosDebian | slack101: oh, hey "Yea10354". why the new nick? |
| 02:16.15 | slack101 | :P |
| 02:16.20 | slack101 | yep its me |
| 02:16.32 | MangosDebian | and the new ident. hmm |
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| 02:16.39 | slack101 | :P |
| 02:16.43 | slack101 | on a diffeeerent computer |
| 02:16.53 | slack101 | and really trying to get this thing done |
| 02:16.59 | MangosDebian | how goes debian? |
| 02:17.04 | slack101 | well\ |
| 02:17.10 | rahul | 22:16 [freenode] -!- Irssi: Dudeman [n=James-00@pool-71-107-217-246.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] [James] |
| 02:17.15 | rahul | :O |
| 02:17.16 | slack101 | everything except this failed to mount local file systems |
| 02:17.22 | rahul | an impostor! |
| 02:17.38 | slack101 | looks like my only problem |
| 02:17.41 | MangosDebian | rahul: stoned was playing around earlier ;) |
| 02:17.46 | slack101 | and i really need to get it fixed |
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| 02:17.50 | rahul | MangosDebian: no, this ain't no stoned! |
| 02:18.14 | MangosDebian | rahul: ahh, sorry, didnt look at host, but he was dudeman earlier i thought |
| 02:18.21 | rahul | yes |
| 02:18.27 | rahul | hence I knew it was an impostor! |
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| 02:18.40 | MangosDebian | heh, good slueth'n |
| 02:18.42 | Aristoteliss | whats the development framework where gnome developed? |
| 02:18.42 | rahul | stoned/nyle/dudeman are the same person... except when we have an impostor! |
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| 02:18.56 | abrotman | Aristoteliss: gtk? |
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| 02:19.02 | rahul | and every time I say impostor!, the camera zooms in on my face and I look at it sternly |
| 02:19.09 | MangosDebian | rofl |
| 02:19.44 | slack101 | damn im done for |
| 02:19.48 | rahul | you don't wanna hear that |
| 02:19.51 | rahul | it'll blow your mind |
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| 02:20.11 | abrotman | rahul: a prince song eh ? |
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| 02:20.42 | rahul | it'll be psychedelic trip-hop goth industrial ambient death prog doom stoner sludge thrash metal rock |
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| 02:21.56 | rahul | forgot black |
| 02:22.35 | rahul | oh, and a little glam rock (not so much glam metal, tho) |
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| 02:22.56 | MangosDebian | rahul: well, at least you didnt mix too many genre's |
| 02:22.58 | rahul | and some country here and there |
| 02:23.11 | MangosDebian | well now you just gone too far |
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| 02:23.17 | rahul | oh, and some post-punk and hip-hop and a little rap |
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| 02:24.01 | rahul | and when I say country, I mean Johnny Cash, not what's that annoying blonde chick |
| 02:24.12 | MangosDebian | rahul: what about shania? |
| 02:24.19 | rahul | yeah, her |
| 02:24.23 | rahul | ugh |
| 02:24.28 | slack101 | any other ideas anyone to check before i go down for a reboot ? |
| 02:24.34 | Ronin | annoying maybe but purrrrrrrrr |
| 02:24.35 | slack101 | and ask them for the specific error |
| 02:24.38 | rahul | meh |
| 02:24.40 | MangosDebian | Ronin: oi |
| 02:24.42 | rahul | I'm not much for blondes |
| 02:24.53 | rahul | cristina scabbia, tho... oooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhh |
| 02:25.09 | Ronin | shame about her last name though rahul heh |
| 02:25.18 | rahul | I'll have to change it, then |
| 02:25.38 | slack101 | abrotman, anyting ? lol :P |
| 02:25.41 | Ronin | watch that prenup |
| 02:25.59 | rahul | she's got more money than I do |
| 02:26.07 | rahul | so yeah, I gotta be sure not to sign it :) |
| 02:26.11 | abrotman | slack101: nope |
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| 02:26.33 | slack101 | how od i configure network interface ? |
| 02:26.34 | rahul | well, I assume she's got more... but who knows how much her label takes... |
| 02:26.50 | MangosDebian | slack101: /etc/network/interfaces ; man interfaces |
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| 02:28.51 | slack101 | anyway to confighre the network |
| 02:28.55 | slack101 | aitoamtically ? |
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| 02:29.14 | MangosDebian | dhcp you mean? |
| 02:29.24 | slack101 | my interface file is blank |
| 02:29.35 | MangosDebian | why would it be blank? |
| 02:29.39 | slack101 | it is |
| 02:29.45 | MangosDebian | you bootstrap this install? |
| 02:29.48 | slack101 | yep |
| 02:29.52 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 02:29.53 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 02:30.00 | MangosDebian | im sure man page should give you a good start |
| 02:30.05 | slack101 | lol |
| 02:30.13 | slack101 | what all does deboostrap not configure ? |
| 02:30.23 | slack101 | man this thing is really not meant for real systems |
| 02:30.25 | slack101 | just chroots |
| 02:30.55 | MangosDebian | no, its meant for a bare bone install. something you customize to suit your needs |
| 02:31.04 | rahul | http://a788.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/38/l_3ce346008656b19c2310cc1659ea346b.jpg |
| 02:31.09 | rahul | so beautiful |
| 02:31.16 | MangosDebian | rahul: dare i look? |
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| 02:31.26 | slack101 | anyting i cna use ot configure network |
| 02:31.29 | rahul | you'll fall in love, so be careful |
| 02:31.42 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 02:31.50 | sussudio | is it the wicked witch of the west? |
| 02:31.51 | MangosDebian | who the heck is that? |
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| 02:32.07 | cast | you're kidding right? |
| 02:32.13 | rahul | heh |
| 02:32.13 | MangosDebian | looks like her hair been through a tornado |
| 02:32.21 | rahul | yeah, her own tornado heh |
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| 02:32.33 | rahul | you should see how she moves around on stage |
| 02:32.39 | slack101 | what else do i got to configure MangosDebian |
| 02:32.46 | rahul | I was like 10 feet away from her once... |
| 02:32.49 | rahul | if even |
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| 02:32.57 | rahul | she was singing right at me |
| 02:33.17 | MangosDebian | rahul: how long til you passed out? :) |
| 02:33.31 | rahul | MangosDebian: this other girl was holding me up :D |
| 02:33.41 | MangosDebian | slack101: ? for a working network? that should be a good start |
| 02:33.49 | slack101 | anyting else ? |
| 02:33.54 | Guerin | rahul: another skinny emo chick |
| 02:33.55 | slack101 | man im f'ed lol |
| 02:33.57 | MangosDebian | slack101: why dont you try and find out |
| 02:34.01 | slack101 | i wish this was automated |
| 02:34.10 | rahul | Guerin: er, she's not emo at all |
| 02:34.17 | rahul | and she's not THAT skinny |
| 02:34.25 | MangosDebian | slack101: why dont you just use an install cd or netinstall? |
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| 02:34.27 | Guerin | rahul: the camera never lies ;) |
| 02:34.39 | rahul | the chick who was holding me up is skinny |
| 02:34.42 | Wyzard | slack101: The installation manual has a section on doing a debootstrap install, that tells you all the things you need to do after debootstrap is done |
| 02:34.47 | Wyzard | slack101: interfaces, fstab, etc. |
| 02:34.51 | rahul | although she wasn't so skinny that night... had just quit smoking |
| 02:35.03 | slack101 | wheres that install manual ? |
| 02:35.49 | Wyzard | slack101: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 02:35.52 | slack101 | lol |
| 02:35.56 | MangosDebian | slack101: your the kind of guy that would just stand up and light a model rocket without reading the instructions are you ;) |
| 02:36.00 | slack101 | MangosDebian, im about dead |
| 02:36.01 | Wyzard | slack101: It's one of the links in the left sidebar on debian.org |
| 02:36.08 | slack101 | been tyrying ot debig this problem for a while |
| 02:36.33 | slack101 | MangosDebian, imm really not ...but right now i will take any spoon feeding i can get |
| 02:36.39 | Wyzard | slack101: The chapter you want is called "Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System" |
| 02:36.58 | MangosDebian | slack101: well what do you expect? if your new to nix systems, have little knowledge of things like fstab's, swap files etc and just jump head first into a debootstrap |
| 02:37.43 | slack101 | im not new |
| 02:37.50 | slack101 | but i never had ot really customize anything like this |
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| 02:38.33 | MangosDebian | slack101: oh well, im sure you will get it all figured some day. gl :) |
| 02:38.35 | rahul | MangosDebian: http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=4733003&albumID=0&imageID=1979973 |
| 02:38.48 | rahul | MangosDebian: grr http://a343.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00498/24/32/498572342_l.jpg |
| 02:38.57 | rahul | that's who was holding me up |
| 02:39.21 | Guerin | at least she wasn't holding you DOWN |
| 02:39.28 | MangosDebian | rahul: hmm, looks like a younger sarah maclachlan or something |
| 02:39.30 | rahul | I wouldn't mind that either |
| 02:40.11 | rahul | as long as she's holding me down with her whole body |
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| 02:40.18 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 02:40.21 | rahul | mmmmm |
| 02:40.25 | rahul | oh shit, I gotta call her |
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| 02:41.48 | rahul | :\ |
| 02:41.49 | rahul | no answer |
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| 02:42.44 | MangosDebian | ? |
| 02:42.48 | rahul | hrm, what's the thing for that wacky line from badgers? |
| 02:42.54 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:43.05 | rahul | !! |
| 02:43.05 | dpkg | from memory, ! is I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
| 02:43.16 | MangosDebian | not sure i follow you there |
| 02:43.31 | rahul | pay attention, people |
| 02:43.36 | rahul | ok, laundry time |
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| 02:45.21 | abrotman | again ? |
| 02:46.17 | rahul | washer->dryer |
| 02:46.20 | slack101 | MangosDebian, well i really would just like to get this damn thing configured all running :P |
| 02:46.43 | MangosDebian | rahul: you mean badger reference from dpkg? |
| 02:47.15 | rahul | !badger |
| 02:47.15 | dpkg | badger is probably bar baz quuz thump |
| 02:47.17 | rahul | no |
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| 02:47.27 | rahul | %acaramie |
| 02:47.47 | MangosDebian | !+listkeys badger |
| 02:47.48 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'badger' by key (15 of 29): !badger ;; #debian badgerknoppix ;; #debian badgers ;; CMD: badger (.*?) ;; _default badger ;; _default badgerdot ;; _default badgerknoppix ;; _default badgers ;; badger ;; badgercam ;; badgerdot ;; badgerfaq ;; badgeros ;; dead badger ;; pubtime badgers. |
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| 02:48.09 | rahul | no from badgers |
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| 02:48.24 | rahul | %hello |
| 02:48.24 | badgers | Hi, rahul! |
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| 02:48.37 | MangosDebian | not sure what your looking for still. what context is badgers? |
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| 02:48.42 | rahul | !badger MangosDebian |
| 02:48.42 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
| 02:48.44 | rahul | heh |
| 02:48.48 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 02:48.51 | MangosDebian | told |
| 02:49.04 | rahul | ok, poof. |
| 02:49.48 | serazine | We are looking at a complete breakdown in communications |
| 02:49.57 | abrotman | it's rahul .. it's a given |
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| 02:50.26 | Truthzak | Sss it 3 |
| 02:52.25 | serazine | Rule 1. Honour freedom of speech 2. Make it your primary goal. Would you like that staff ? |
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| 02:55.42 | serazine | we put you here for a reason, dont like what we see SLKA. |
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| 02:57.09 | netdaemon | i'm curious, how much influence does a user in debian have on getting a package included in debian |
| 02:57.29 | rahul | I forgot, they were already in the dryer |
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| 02:57.59 | serazine | netdaemon: if its good enough its pretty big |
| 02:58.00 | rahul | netdaemon: debian developers are users, too! |
| 02:58.07 | serazine | amen |
| 02:58.14 | rahul | You, too, can become a debian developer! |
| 02:58.19 | ricky | netdaemon: From what I've seen, a lot- as you can create a package. |
| 02:58.35 | rahul | erg forgot to eat dinner |
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| 02:58.53 | serazine | rahul: didnt see you in any changelog, how long was it since you coded anything :) |
| 02:58.59 | netdaemon | ricky, ah but i'm still learning...i'm on arch right now, debating on killing it :P |
| 02:59.09 | rahul | serazine: today |
| 02:59.15 | rahul | but you wouldn't see those changelogs |
| 02:59.16 | serazine | what ? |
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| 02:59.23 | netdaemon | how hard is it to make a debian package, without the assistance of checkinstall? |
| 02:59.26 | rahul | I'd not a DD, anyway |
| 02:59.36 | rahul | netdaemon: as hard as with the assistance of checkinstall |
| 02:59.44 | abrotman | !nm |
| 02:59.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 02:59.48 | abrotman | !mg |
| 02:59.48 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 02:59.48 | rahul | netdaemon: since checkinstall doesn't help you one bit |
| 02:59.51 | serazine | so nothing then |
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| 03:00.09 | rahul | serazine: check the changelogs to xscreensaver |
| 03:00.15 | rahul | serazine: around... 2000 I think |
| 03:00.16 | netdaemon | hm |
| 03:00.17 | netdaemon | i see |
| 03:00.18 | serazine | which one ? |
| 03:00.23 | rahul | serazine: xflame |
| 03:00.44 | netdaemon | is there a nice debian wiki somewhere? |
| 03:00.47 | serazine | ah, okies... wheres that one located ? |
| 03:01.04 | dureyes | is defragmenting necesary on linux? |
| 03:01.10 | serazine | no |
| 03:01.13 | rahul | dureyes: usually not |
| 03:01.18 | rahul | serazine: in xss... |
| 03:01.20 | serazine | never |
| 03:01.33 | serazine | so nothing |
| 03:01.46 | MangosDebian | dureyes: basically what they are saying is its a fs issues, and no linux installs use vfat ;) |
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| 03:02.26 | rahul | http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/pkgsrc/x11/xflame/DESCR?rev=1.1&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup |
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| 03:02.39 | Grenade | hello hello |
| 03:02.49 | dureyes | ok |
| 03:02.50 | serazine | Linkoping / Umea / Tsskarna fra Lundt |
| 03:02.55 | serazine | hehe |
| 03:02.55 | MangosDebian | Grenade: wb |
| 03:03.01 | rahul | hrm, and there was that kernel thing I did |
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| 03:03.21 | serazine | Bitte |
| 03:03.26 | bronaugh | hmmm; so I just got a gigabit link up between two machines, but the max speed I can sustain over it is 40M/sec |
| 03:03.29 | sandman | I have a group of volunteers interested in creating an Open Manufacturing project in the spirit of Debian. |
| 03:03.33 | Grenade | MangosDebian: thx, been huffin oven cleaner all day. not intentionally |
| 03:03.42 | bronaugh | using scp |
| 03:03.47 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: about the max speed your of hd's i assume? |
| 03:03.52 | sandman | I was just wondering how receptive people of #debian are to this idea. |
| 03:03.59 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: should be faster than that. |
| 03:04.10 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: I haven't benched with bonnie++ yet. |
| 03:04.15 | rahul | http://search.luky.org/linux-kernel.2005/msg06303.html <- NOT me |
| 03:04.20 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: hdparm bench it yet? |
| 03:04.47 | bronaugh | never mind, scp limiting the CPU |
| 03:04.52 | bronaugh | 707827228 bytes transferred in 6 seconds (105.79M/s) |
| 03:04.57 | bronaugh | used ftp, no problem. |
| 03:04.57 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: try ftp a copy of something in /proc like kmem or whatever it is |
| 03:05.02 | serazine | sandman: sandmann... would you consider "shit i forgot to stick grub onto my usb stick" a faul use of the english language ? |
| 03:05.10 | MangosDebian | ahh nm |
| 03:05.12 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: heh, believe me, I have plenty of big files ;) |
| 03:05.22 | Grenade | MangosDebian: question, i just did a make install of memtest86 and just used the precompiled binary but I can't seem to verify that it's on the floppy. I should probably format the disk first ? |
| 03:05.28 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: but something in proc wouldnt be affected by hard drive throuput |
| 03:05.43 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: well, this didn't seem to be limited. I'll have to try an even bigger file. |
| 03:05.53 | sandman | serazine: Define foul. |
| 03:06.06 | serazine | Jet-emme |
| 03:06.12 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: try ftp over /proc/kcore |
| 03:06.30 | serazine | sandmann: how so, are you a churchy ? |
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| 03:06.46 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: although once the recieving machine buffer runs out the rate will slow of course |
| 03:07.26 | serazine | sandmann: "damn" is evil too ? .. do you also dislike Iron Maiden ? |
| 03:07.34 | MangosDebian | Grenade: well, havent installed memtest in ages. but how did you copy it? dd? |
| 03:07.42 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: that's why I'm copying 4 gigs over. |
| 03:07.47 | serazine | That hard rock can be evil you know ?? /naah |
| 03:07.52 | serazine | ? |
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| 03:07.53 | Grenade | when i did the make install-precomp it auto copied it |
| 03:07.55 | slack101 | MangosDebian, what am i doing |
| 03:08.00 | slack101 | imma just kickstart it |
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| 03:08.07 | sandman | I'm sandman, not sandmann |
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| 03:08.14 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: thats still gonna be limited by hard drive. least kcore is memory bandwidth limited |
| 03:08.22 | serazine | sandmann: That does not conearn me |
| 03:08.25 | sandman | Otherwise the highlighting doesn't work. |
| 03:08.29 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: yeah, but I have 4 gigs of memory on the receiving machine. it's buffered. |
| 03:08.31 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: i mean, if your looking to truely stress test the network. |
| 03:08.34 | bronaugh | 4178019400 bytes transferred in 50 seconds (79.76M/s) |
| 03:08.40 | bronaugh | that's with disk overhead included. not bad. |
| 03:08.51 | serazine | sandmann: Perhaps yould like to let us coders know... |
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| 03:08.53 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: well, doubled it. not bad :) |
| 03:09.05 | rahul | serazine: one of my girls really liked reincarnation of b breeg |
| 03:09.15 | rahul | serazine: and she liked after forever's cover of the evil that men do |
| 03:09.16 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: well; for short stuff that fits in memory, I get over 100M/sec; so I can say I'm happy. |
| 03:09.20 | bronaugh | I wonder how well nfs'll do. |
| 03:09.29 | serazine | something is blinking on my ignore |
| 03:09.30 | rahul | serazine: and she's TOTALLY NOT a metal chick |
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| 03:09.41 | sandman | Okay. Well, I wouldn't say I'm a "churchie", personally. I prefer to avoid attributing rational worldly behavior to a religion or church, as I feel most religions plagiarize their works. I feel it is "rational" to avoid foul language, so as to not offend someone who _is_ a churchie. But it doesn't bother me if you choose to do that. |
| 03:09.51 | serazine | ah, rahul sandmann |
| 03:10.01 | rahul | nnn? |
| 03:10.08 | serazine | go saway |
| 03:10.11 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: realy though, on the second machine you should save it ftp to /dev/null so your hd doesnt get touched there either |
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| 03:10.26 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: yeah, but I know I can get over 100M/sec -- see the 1st test |
| 03:10.30 | bronaugh | I'm happy. |
| 03:10.33 | rahul | senzafine. |
| 03:10.37 | serazine | Lol |
| 03:10.40 | bronaugh | that's right around the theoretical max. |
| 03:10.54 | hatter_ | any of you recommend a web based project management tool ? php or somethign ? |
| 03:11.10 | serazine | rahul: should you wanna play? |
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| 03:11.18 | rahul | the song? |
| 03:11.20 | serazine | Roll the dices |
| 03:11.22 | Grenade | hatter_: maybe kinda look at sugarcrm |
| 03:11.33 | hatter_ | Grenade, thx |
| 03:11.40 | serazine | rahul: got snakeeyes ? |
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| 03:11.52 | sandman | Well, at any rate. I was just curious as to the general opinion about an Open Manufacturing project, intended to empower people to manufacture their own goods. The "Open" part of it would be to create a community for developing a file format to accomodate a robotic arm and a CNC machine, allowing automated manufacturing of complex parts, such as car parts, from raw materials. |
| 03:11.53 | rahul | one eyed snake. |
| 03:12.07 | serazine | bad that |
| 03:12.09 | Grenade | hatter_: no prob, it works nice and you can demo the whole system on their site |
| 03:12.19 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: whats the theo max? 120mb/s ish? |
| 03:12.25 | bronaugh | MangosDebian: well, there's overhead. |
| 03:12.31 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: minus tcp overhead about 100ish? |
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| 03:12.36 | bronaugh | yeah, that's what I'm thinking. |
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| 03:12.44 | bronaugh | my disks on the other end can read at 250M/sec |
| 03:12.48 | bronaugh | so they're not really a limiting factor. |
| 03:12.49 | MangosDebian | bronaugh: too bad you cant udp it :) |
| 03:12.52 | bronaugh | hah |
| 03:12.55 | sandman | This file format would be read into a computer program, which would pass the proper data to the robotic arm and CNC machine for manufacturing. This way people could do things like manufacture their own spoons, forks, screws, nuts, bolts, etc. |
| 03:13.07 | sandman | Cars, yada yada. |
| 03:13.11 | bronaugh | it's not just TCP overhead; there's also protocol overhead. iirc gigabit uses 64/66 encoding, which is better, but still. |
| 03:13.23 | bronaugh | anyhow. I should leave. |
| 03:13.25 | Truthzak | What a blowhard |
| 03:13.25 | bronaugh | ttyl guys. |
| 03:13.30 | MangosDebian | l8r |
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| 03:13.34 | sandman | Nobody here is interested in that? |
| 03:13.55 | wols_ | sandman: wrong channel. OT |
| 03:14.04 | rahul | SPOONS |
| 03:14.13 | rahul | spoons are on topic here |
| 03:14.15 | sandman | wols_: Well, I wanted to make it for Debian. |
| 03:14.22 | Truthzak | Sandman: tell me when youve actually coded anything, crybaby. |
| 03:14.31 | Grenade | that was an interesting conversation... i wish i coiuld play with gigabit stuff once i figure out how to format a floppy.... |
| 03:14.33 | sandman | Truthzak: I'm a crybaby? |
| 03:14.40 | rahul | sandman: this is a channel to support debian users. software written for debian is meaningless. |
| 03:14.47 | wols_ | Grenade: man mkfs |
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| 03:14.53 | sandman | rahul: Where would you have me go? |
| 03:14.54 | rahul | debian distributes unix software. |
| 03:15.00 | Grenade | wols_: thx :) |
| 03:15.02 | rahul | sandman: #c maybe? |
| 03:15.03 | wols_ | rahul: unless it's something like dpkg/aps |
| 03:15.06 | wols_ | *apt |
| 03:15.16 | rahul | wols_: right, intrinsic parts of debian, sure |
| 03:15.17 | Truthzak | Youre not .. show us ? |
| 03:15.27 | Truthzak | Crybaby |
| 03:15.34 | rahul | sandman: #forth, even? |
| 03:15.46 | rahul | sandman: actually #lisp might be interested in this stuff |
| 03:15.57 | Truthzak | maybe rahul coded something in pascal ?? |
| 03:15.58 | rahul | that's pretty common territory for lisp software |
| 03:16.01 | rahul | eew |
| 03:16.14 | Truthzak | lisp is for AI |
| 03:16.24 | Truthzak | youre discusting |
| 03:16.25 | rahul | and everything else |
| 03:16.42 | rahul | lisp is for making games like jak and dexter |
| 03:16.58 | rahul | lisp is for making websites like the white house documents server |
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| 03:17.09 | rahul | lisp is for making airline software, heh |
| 03:17.16 | cparker | How do I find which version of a package I have installed on the command line? |
| 03:17.22 | rahul | cparker: dpkg -l package |
| 03:17.27 | cparker | rahul, thanks |
| 03:17.34 | rahul | apt-cache policy package can give more interesting stuff |
| 03:17.42 | Truthzak | rahul: my gowd, i hope i dont ever fly with your software :=) |
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| 03:18.27 | xsdg | I'm in uxterm in a program that does mouse interaction via ncurses. How can I copy text from it? |
| 03:18.42 | xsdg | aah, Shift+drag seems to do the trick |
| 03:18.50 | rahul | Truthzak: you will |
| 03:18.52 | rahul | definitely |
| 03:18.56 | Truthzak | rahuls programs makes pelople crash |
| 03:19.02 | Truthzak | people |
| 03:19.03 | rahul | hehheehehehehehehhe |
| 03:19.10 | rahul | pelople, too |
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| 03:19.35 | MangosDebian | rahul is the witness from the air india crash that refused to testify |
| 03:19.36 | holycow | lisp isn't for ai |
| 03:19.37 | rahul | I don't discriminate. I'm all equal opportunity like that. |
| 03:19.38 | rahul | heh |
| 03:19.59 | serazine | Im contacting homeland security, what an ignorant bastard |
| 03:19.59 | rahul | lisp isn't for schedule management |
| 03:20.06 | holycow | lisp is a general purpose programming language that encompasses most of the computing concepts EVER invented in computer science |
| 03:20.21 | holycow | it just so happens that it was used in ai studies and work because of its power |
| 03:20.23 | rahul | holycow: nah, it encompasses a few more than that :) |
| 03:20.30 | holycow | you can use lisp for anything provided the right bindings exist |
| 03:20.41 | rahul | I create my own bindings |
| 03:20.43 | holycow | precisely the same way you can use other languages |
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| 03:20.55 | holycow | plus or minus the shortcomings of each language and or implementation |
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| 03:22.45 | Grenade | MangosDebian: ok i figured out mkfs but how can i confirm that files are on a floppy.. i know this sounds stupid but i go to /media/floppy and do an ls and it says total 8 then lists the usual . and .. |
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| 03:23.34 | MangosDebian | why does Bhaal cycle the channel every hour anyways? |
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| 03:24.13 | cast | maybe looking for onjoin spammers |
| 03:24.33 | MangosDebian | Grenade: not sure what you mean. perhaps they are dot files (ls -la) |
| 03:24.39 | MangosDebian | cast: could be |
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| 03:28.15 | netdaemon | er.... |
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| 03:28.24 | netdaemon | xterm is not on the first cd of debian etch o_O |
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| 03:29.31 | rahul | you don't need xterm to install packages |
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| 03:31.21 | netdaemon | ah but its kind of irritating switching from X to VT just to do it, i'm on a slow connection so thats a lot of waiting =\ |
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| 03:34.13 | minerale | Has anyone deployed debian under the 'Amazon Elastic Cloud' (EC2) ? |
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| 03:36.53 | wols_ | netdaemon: install a light xterm like mrxvt |
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| 03:39.08 | Ron_C_27 | hello hello |
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| 03:41.00 | Ron_C_27 | I have a question regarding the configuration of virtual hosts in apacke2 on etch |
| 03:41.08 | Ron_C_27 | or, rather, several questions |
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| 03:41.42 | MangosDebian | Ron_C_27: #apache |
| 03:41.49 | ricky | Ron_C_27: Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 03:42.00 | ricky | (Unless it's somehow debian-specific) |
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| 03:42.48 | Ron_C_27 | I wanted to try here first, since its via the debian-specific sites-available/enabled config files |
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| 03:43.46 | minerale | has anyone here created an Amazon Machine Image - to deploy debian? |
| 03:44.11 | MangosDebian | minerale: never heard of it, what is it? |
| 03:44.59 | minerale | mangosdebian: a service that Amazon provides to run your own applications. |
| 03:45.20 | MangosDebian | minerale: like a shell/vnc? |
| 03:45.25 | minerale | mangosdebian: a on-demand xen server where you can start and run up to 20 instances at a time |
| 03:45.41 | MangosDebian | cool |
| 03:45.53 | MangosDebian | you talking about amazon the book store? |
| 03:45.58 | minerale | but you have to create and upload the 'complete' image, which I'm having trouble doing |
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| 03:46.16 | minerale | amazon has diversified, they have some really neat services for web developers |
| 03:46.31 | f00li5h | i have a user database from my previous install ( passwd shadow group etc ) and want to re-add those users/groups to my new install |
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| 03:46.58 | MangosDebian | minerale: well, not sure how much help i would be heh, but what are you having problems doing? making an iso image or something? |
| 03:47.15 | f00li5h | i've managed to do the useradd stuff with a snippit of perl, but the shadow database is a bit more trixy |
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| 03:48.05 | MangosDebian | f00li5h: i take it the previous install has different account names and such? cant just copy them in place? |
| 03:49.01 | f00li5h | MangosDebian: it's a fresh install |
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| 03:49.43 | MangosDebian | f00li5h: just not sure why you just dont copy/paste the enteries from the old file into the current passwd/shadow files |
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| 03:50.52 | f00li5h | MangosDebian: well, last time i just replaced the whole file (foreach file) and that ruined everything, so i thought using useradd may be safer |
| 03:51.34 | MangosDebian | f00li5h: well, you probably only want to add users with id's 1000+ and groups. but you would still need to make the home dirs as well |
| 03:52.21 | f00li5h | MangosDebian: /home is a different partition (which is why i need to maintian user/group ids |
| 03:52.27 | f00li5h | s/$/)/ |
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| 03:53.14 | wuwuwu | Hi, im using Debian and i would like to decrease the mss (maximum segment size) someone know where to change it? |
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| 03:53.30 | MangosDebian | still, you should be able to just copy paste the user's only. leave the system accounts alone or you may break debian |
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| 03:59.57 | f00li5h | MangosDebian: do i need more than passwd, group and shadow? |
| 04:00.56 | MangosDebian | f00li5h: that should do just fine. but its hard to know what daemons you use and if they have their own user/pass files. you would need those as well. try it and test is your only choice really |
| 04:01.12 | MangosDebian | or hire a consultant/admin to do it for you :) |
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| 04:02.32 | f00li5h | MangosDebian: hrm, i see ... |
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| 04:08.29 | Ramon | hello :) |
| 04:08.37 | Ramon | is there any command to automatically detect the hardware? |
| 04:08.49 | Ramon | debian is not recognizing my ethernet card and it did before |
| 04:09.07 | f00li5h | Ramon: perhaps you just need to load the driver for it |
| 04:09.38 | Ramon | when i was installing it ... it was detected |
| 04:09.40 | Ramon | now it does not |
| 04:10.07 | Ramon | thats why i need to know if there's a way to autodetect the hardware |
| 04:10.19 | Ramon | like the script it runs at the installation |
| 04:10.34 | f00li5h | Ramon: does lspci show your card? |
| 04:10.45 | Ramon | yea |
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| 04:11.02 | MangosDebian | discover is one i believe |
| 04:11.32 | Ramon | ethernet controller: davicom semiconductor, |
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| 04:12.44 | phliver | so im using the /etc/init.d/skeleton file to make an init script to run a perl daemon. but the daemon only works if i execute it from within the directory its in. how can i make the init script "change directories" before executing it? |
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| 04:14.54 | MangosDebian | wheee |
| 04:15.08 | Ramon | :o |
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| 04:15.24 | Ramon | so.. is there anyway to auto configure my network card ? |
| 04:15.24 | Ramon | it has dhcp |
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| 04:15.25 | Rusty1 | Ramon: try: netcardconfig |
| 04:15.25 | Ramon | ok |
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| 04:15.35 | Ramon | command not found |
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| 04:17.08 | wols_ | Ramon: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 04:17.49 | Ramon | ok i will try it |
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| 04:18.22 | urso_ | hello :) |
| 04:18.32 | ricky | Hi! |
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| 04:19.39 | hark | Ramon: does the nic show up with ifconfig - a ? |
| 04:20.38 | Ramon | hark... it says link encap ethernet hawaddr |
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| 04:20.41 | Ramon | but its not showing any ip's |
| 04:20.42 | hark | oh, heh |
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| 04:20.56 | MangosDebian | Ramon: man interfaces |
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| 04:21.11 | Ramon | but how can i set it up.. it uses dhcp |
| 04:21.16 | MangosDebian | Ramon: man interfaces |
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| 04:21.20 | wols_ | Ramon: show us your /etc/network/interfaces paste it in a pastebin |
| 04:22.36 | Ramon | cannot do that... it is on another machine i cannot even install ssh on it |
| 04:23.23 | wols_ | suit yourself then |
| 04:23.33 | Ramon | it says auto lo iface lo inet loopback |
| 04:23.42 | MangosDebian | Ramon: man interfaces |
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| 04:23.58 | minerale | I have created a few simple packages which I would like to submit (a series of tools for amazon) |
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| 04:24.00 | Ramon | the thing is that it was not possible to install debian on that computer it was giving me a "debootstrap" error.. so i installed it on another computer and took the hd back to the original one |
| 04:24.27 | wols_ | Ramon: you need to add an entry for dhcp. as to how, see what MangosDebian said |
| 04:24.41 | wols_ | !tell minerale about nm |
| 04:25.13 | Ramon | there is the entry... iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 04:25.14 | minerale | wols_: I got as far as being asked to get a developer to vouch for me, I know none |
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| 04:26.09 | Ramon | im a total noob please bare with me :( |
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| 04:26.31 | hark | minerale: check mentors.debian.net |
| 04:26.36 | wols_ | Ramon: is there an auto entry for eth0? |
| 04:27.39 | Ramon | yeah |
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| 04:28.24 | Ramon | auto lo iface lo inet loopback allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 04:28.26 | Ramon | thats all it has |
| 04:28.45 | wols_ | there is no auto eth0 line there, is it? |
| 04:28.47 | wols_ | be precise! |
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| 04:28.54 | Ramon | no its not |
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| 04:29.03 | hark | heh |
| 04:29.10 | wols_ | change the allow-hotplug eth0 to auto et0, then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 04:29.19 | Ramon | ok :) |
| 04:30.36 | Ramon | ok it says.... eth0 error while getting interface flags: no such device |
| 04:30.36 | metbsd | where's the sample vimrc on debian |
| 04:30.42 | Ramon | failed to bring up eth0 |
| 04:31.12 | wols_ | ayou said tere was an eth0 in ifconfig -a?. Do a dmesg |grep eth |
| 04:31.21 | Ramon | ok |
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| 04:34.25 | Ramon | cannot find the | |
| 04:34.29 | Ramon | latin american keyboard |
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| 04:37.33 | Ramon | tried the ifconfig -a and there's no eth0 sorry |
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| 04:38.45 | Ramon | ? |
| 04:39.04 | f00li5h | Ramon: if you ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.4 up, does the interface turn up? |
| 04:39.20 | Ramon | let me check |
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| 04:40.15 | Ramon | it says siocsifaddr no such device |
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| 04:40.28 | Guerin | yes |
| 04:40.29 | Ramon | eth0: error while getting interface flags: no such device |
| 04:40.33 | Guerin | because you don't have the proper module loaded |
| 04:40.39 | Ramon | how can I load it back? |
| 04:40.44 | CaT[tm] | hmm. should I store the actual values for the cpu out of /proc/stat or store their relative percentages... |
| 04:40.46 | Guerin | modprobe modulename |
| 04:40.58 | Ramon | what would be the modulename? |
| 04:41.08 | JPQ | man i want debian so bad on my new dedicated server |
| 04:41.09 | JPQ | :( |
| 04:41.11 | Guerin | !htfswk Ramon |
| 04:41.12 | dpkg | Ramon: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 04:41.19 | Guerin | JPQ: you can have. |
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| 04:41.31 | Ramon | isnt there any way to auto detect it? |
| 04:41.35 | wols_ | !debtakeover |
| 04:41.35 | dpkg | well, debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 04:41.43 | f00li5h | Ramon: find out the chipset on your card, and then load the module for it |
| 04:41.49 | JPQ | i know but im a neophyte to remote servers and debian and im having a problem |
| 04:41.51 | JPQ | LOL |
| 04:41.56 | Ramon | ok :) |
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| 04:44.15 | frankr | I have some files that have characters in them which just show up as "?" by ls -l how can I delete all of the files with that unknown character in them? all of the valid files are just strings of numbers |
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| 04:44.40 | Gigantic | !boo |
| 04:44.44 | frankr | I can't even get grep to pull out the correct lines |
| 04:45.23 | Guerin | frankr: look up some globbing rules |
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| 04:47.10 | Guerin | JPQ: if it's dedicated, get the local techsupp to install debian on it |
| 04:47.12 | frankr | some.. what? |
| 04:47.15 | frankr | globbing? |
| 04:47.36 | Guerin | frankr: otherwise known as pattern matching, or regular expressions |
| 04:47.41 | Guerin | !abs guide |
| 04:47.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, abs guide is The advanced Bash Scripting Guide is your bash bible. See http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
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| 04:50.16 | treeshoo | hi, I am trying to compile wget for https, using ./configure --with-ssl but I dont know where openssl is stored. How do I figure out the location where openssl files need for wget are located? |
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| 04:52.39 | treeshoo | I get the follwing error : configure: error: --with-ssl was given, but OpenSSL is not available. |
| 04:52.59 | tbamr | treeshoo: dpkg -L openssl |
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| 04:53.45 | treeshoo | could it be /etc/ssl/ |
| 04:53.47 | treeshoo | ? |
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| 04:56.12 | treeshoo | tbamr, I got a long list of output for that command |
| 04:56.33 | tbamr | tbamr: you want the openssl library. |
| 04:56.43 | MangosDebian | treeshoo: do you have the libssl-dev installed? |
| 04:56.56 | treeshoo | I am trying to |
| 04:56.58 | treeshoo | but it fails |
| 04:57.03 | MangosDebian | treeshoo: general rule, compiling requires -dev libs/packages |
| 04:57.46 | treeshoo | libssl-dev depends on zlib1g-dev; however: Package zlib1g-dev is not installed |
| 04:58.09 | netdaemon | hrm |
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| 04:59.54 | MangosDebian | treeshoo: apt-cache policy zlib1g-dev |
| 05:00.22 | MangosDebian | its in main, so you shouldnt have any problems installing it unless your mirror suck |
| 05:00.31 | treeshoo | I did an apt-get install zlib1g-dev |
| 05:00.38 | treeshoo | then libssl-dev installed |
| 05:00.56 | tbamr | treeshoo: or, apt-get install zlib1g-dev libssl-dev. ;) |
| 05:00.59 | tbamr | same thing |
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| 05:01.39 | treeshoo | checking for libssl... yes |
| 05:01.39 | treeshoo | checking how to link with libssl... -lssl -lcrypto |
| 05:01.39 | treeshoo | configure: compiling in support for SSL |
| 05:01.45 | treeshoo | that looks good so far |
| 05:02.24 | Ramon | .... ok I found the module for my network card.. i typed modprobe dmfe |
| 05:02.31 | Ramon | what should I do now? |
| 05:02.53 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.56 | MangosDebian | Ramon: man interfaces |
| 05:03.01 | tbamr | lol |
| 05:03.05 | MangosDebian | ;) |
| 05:03.08 | Ramon | i did that wols |
| 05:03.10 | wols_ | and if it then works, put the module in /etc/modules |
| 05:03.12 | Ramon | i read it all mangos |
| 05:03.24 | wols_ | Ramon: so does it work now? |
| 05:03.31 | Ramon | but I told you.. 1) im not from north america (english is difficult for me).. 2) im a total noob |
| 05:03.38 | tbamr | lol |
| 05:03.44 | wols_ | Ramon: ansewr please |
| 05:03.45 | Ramon | no wols.. still down.. it says the same thing.. error while getting interface flags: no such device |
| 05:03.57 | wols_ | then why do you think it was the right driver? |
| 05:04.06 | Guerin | Ramon: what language is native to you? |
| 05:04.12 | Ramon | was googling it and it says that for debian thats the module for the davicom |
| 05:04.13 | wols_ | Ramon: whar chip is ir? lspci tells you |
| 05:04.16 | Gigantic | Ramon: habla expanol supongo? |
| 05:04.20 | Ramon | si gigantic |
| 05:04.24 | Ramon | davicom is the driver |
| 05:04.34 | Guerin | Ramon: the manual pages are almost certainly available in spanish |
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| 05:04.56 | Ramon | las lei guerin |
| 05:05.01 | Ramon | pero no entiendo casi nada.. soy un noob |
| 05:05.11 | wols_ | Ramon: install manpages-es |
| 05:05.11 | MangosDebian | Ramon: ifconfig -a, what does that list? |
| 05:05.15 | Guerin | i don's speak spanish |
| 05:05.17 | wols_ | or rather: user-es |
| 05:05.35 | Gigantic | but he complain about the techical side |
| 05:05.36 | Ramon | it says link encap: ethernet hwaddr |
| 05:05.44 | tbamr | oh now we have an interpreter |
| 05:05.47 | tbamr | great! |
| 05:05.48 | MangosDebian | no Ramon, thats not what i asked |
| 05:05.54 | Gigantic | not the english comprension itself... seamingly |
| 05:05.59 | netdaemon | is lame in the non-us repo? |
| 05:06.10 | tbamr | !lame | netdaemon |
| 05:06.10 | dpkg | | netdaemon is completely not lame. |
| 05:06.10 | MangosDebian | Ramon: thats only one line from what should be dosens listed with ifconfig -a |
| 05:06.15 | wols_ | netdaemon: thre is no non-us anymore |
| 05:06.36 | treeshoo | .configure worked but then make install failed with the following errors while compiling wget : http://pastebin.com/938102 |
| 05:06.46 | tbamr | netdaemon: there's always packages.debain.org |
| 05:06.47 | Ramon | ok then it says up broadcast running multicast mtu:1500 metric 1, tc packets:438 errors:0 dropped:0 |
| 05:06.56 | netdaemon | o_O |
| 05:06.59 | Ramon | cannot paste... its on another computer and i cannot even install ssh... because it has no network |
| 05:07.06 | wols_ | Ari0n: is there an eth0 showing anywhere? |
| 05:07.10 | MangosDebian | Ramon: your missing the key line, the name of the interface |
| 05:07.13 | wols_ | we don't want to know about your lo |
| 05:07.13 | Ramon | no, nothing |
| 05:07.15 | Ramon | no eth |
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| 05:07.22 | wols_ | that'S all we need to know |
| 05:07.23 | netdaemon | wtf |
| 05:07.23 | netdaemon | =O |
| 05:07.23 | netdaemon | fine i'll find my own lame package :P |
| 05:07.32 | MangosDebian | Ramon: then what the hell are you listing those lines from? |
| 05:07.36 | Ramon | it says eth1 |
| 05:07.40 | wols_ | !tell netdaemon about marillat |
| 05:07.40 | Ramon | at the very beginning |
| 05:07.44 | MangosDebian | then theres your answer silly |
| 05:08.02 | MangosDebian | why would you setup interfaces for eth0 when its clearly eth1 |
| 05:08.06 | tbamr | everybody loves Raymon |
| 05:08.08 | wols_ | Ramon: then change /etc/network/interfaces. add the lines for eth1 just as they are for eth0 |
| 05:08.14 | wols_ | !lart udev |
| 05:08.24 | wols_ | if in doubt: blame UDEV! fucking POS |
| 05:08.27 | MangosDebian | god, you been avoiding listing the eth name for an hour, now i see why |
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| 05:08.46 | Ramon | ok ill do it now... |
| 05:08.48 | wols_ | MangosDebian: not his fault. fucking udev did that |
| 05:09.04 | MangosDebian | wols_: i suppose i am being tough, thanks :) |
| 05:09.08 | MangosDebian | !z25 |
| 05:09.08 | dpkg | z25 is, like, as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to staticly rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. the addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. if you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory |
| 05:09.18 | treeshoo | any idea why I cant compile this ? http://pastebin.com/938102 |
| 05:09.24 | netdaemon | is this here marillat fellow a regular debian contributor? |
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| 05:09.56 | Ramon | thank you very much.. i really appreciate it guys |
| 05:10.01 | Ramon | :) it works hehe :$ |
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| 05:10.28 | Ramon | take care :) thanks really |
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| 05:10.56 | wols_ | netdaemon: if you ask if it'S safe to use his repo: yes it is, very |
| 05:11.04 | netdaemon | alright |
| 05:11.05 | netdaemon | thanks |
| 05:11.09 | tbamr | treeshoo: need crypto library |
| 05:11.12 | wols_ | netdaemon: just not wholly legally safe I guess :) |
| 05:11.13 | MangosDebian | why do i get the feeling that he knew not to mention eth1. how think can you get :/ |
| 05:11.19 | netdaemon | one more, can i use stable/testing/unstable instead of etch/lenny/sid |
| 05:11.23 | MangosDebian | thick* |
| 05:11.31 | wols_ | netdaemon: yes |
| 05:11.35 | netdaemon | sweet |
| 05:11.36 | westyvw | usb device wont mount, shows up in kde window, then fails. Hal upgrade problem? Too old a kernel? Used to work fine. Kernel 2.6.15, debian sid |
| 05:11.36 | netdaemon | =) |
| 05:11.54 | wols_ | MangosDebian: it's still clearly a udev issue. if ther is no eth0, udev has NO businnes to create a eth1 |
| 05:12.06 | treeshoo | tbamr: whats the apt-get install command for that? |
| 05:12.21 | tbamr | treeshoo: let me see wait |
| 05:12.40 | westyvw | device is not created in mtab. I have no clue what to do about it |
| 05:12.42 | treeshoo | would libgcrypt11-dev do? |
| 05:12.44 | Guerin | so you can fix it in one of two ways |
| 05:12.59 | Guerin | you can try and fix udev (haha), or you can use ifrename |
| 05:12.59 | westyvw | device will show up if connected during boot |
| 05:13.01 | wols_ | treeshoo: get the build-deps for wget |
| 05:13.05 | MangosDebian | wols_: very much so. but even he knew that the device was clearly eth in the name, and even at the begining he kept pasting lines from eth1. he was just wasting our time and you know it |
| 05:13.23 | slack101 | anyone here ever use a kickstart to install somehting remoretly |
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| 05:14.39 | netdaemon | =O |
| 05:14.40 | tbamr | treeshoo: may be try. |
| 05:14.41 | treeshoo | thanks wols_ and tbamr |
| 05:14.50 | treeshoo | am getting now |
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| 05:15.37 | MangosDebian | treeshoo: compiling now? |
| 05:15.52 | treeshoo | not yet |
| 05:16.33 | treeshoo | ./configure takes like a minute first |
| 05:16.39 | slack101 | no one here never used Kickstart ? |
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| 05:17.05 | treeshoo | just realized probably didnt need to do ./configure again |
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| 05:17.28 | MangosDebian | slack101: rings a bell, red hat use it for auto installs or something? |
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| 05:17.49 | slack101 | it can also be used ot install on remote servers |
| 05:18.00 | treeshoo | same error as before |
| 05:18.13 | Guerin | slack101: is it in debian? |
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| 05:18.21 | slack101 | its ofr red hat |
| 05:18.25 | slack101 | but it is portable |
| 05:20.16 | Guerin | slack101: then port it |
| 05:20.39 | slack101 | im trying to install a distro onto my remote server |
| 05:20.46 | tbamr | treeshoo: which library you installed ? |
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| 05:21.10 | Guerin | slack101: what's preventing you from using debian and debootstrap? |
| 05:21.21 | treeshoo | libgcrypt11-dev as well as build-deps |
| 05:21.29 | treeshoo | build-deps for wget |
| 05:21.35 | Guerin | !wayc |
| 05:21.35 | dpkg | well, wayc is Why Are You Compiling (instead of using apt-get) |
| 05:21.38 | slack101 | Guerin, i tried for 2 days |
| 05:21.44 | tbamr | !libgcrypt11 |
| 05:21.56 | tbamr | !info libgcrypt11 |
| 05:21.56 | slack101 | Guerin, i got an error failed to mount local filesystems |
| 05:21.56 | Guerin | slack101: it seems a remote install is not for you |
| 05:21.58 | tbamr | treeshoo: you got libgcrypt11 ? |
| 05:22.06 | slack101 | and noe one can figure it out and datacenter wont give me actual error |
| 05:22.08 | dpkg | libgcrypt11: (LGPL Crypto library - runtime library), section libs, is important. Version: 1.2.4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 192 kB, Installed size: 416 kB |
| 05:22.47 | treeshoo | let me check |
| 05:22.48 | Guerin | slack101: cancel the contract or have them run a cd install |
| 05:22.59 | slack101 | aslked them to do that too |
| 05:23.04 | slack101 | we will put it on our schedule |
| 05:23.13 | treeshoo | yes, I have libgcrypt11 |
| 05:23.27 | treeshoo | I suppose it came with libgcrypt11-dev |
| 05:23.33 | MangosDebian | treeshoo: odd though that a build-dep wouldnt get everything you needed |
| 05:23.59 | karsten | slack101: There are remote debian chroot install instructions. |
| 05:24.01 | treeshoo | yea |
| 05:24.16 | slack101 | karrotx, using debootstrap ? |
| 05:24.26 | karsten | slack101: The other option I'd recommend is to do the install locally onto a HD, ship the HD and have that installed on the system in question. |
| 05:24.26 | slack101 | karrotx, where are these instructions ? |
| 05:24.28 | tbamr | treeshoo: hmm.. what about if you get this -> http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/wget |
| 05:24.33 | karrotx | ... |
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| 05:24.51 | PrinceAMD | how do i get debian source respo for lenny? |
| 05:25.28 | Guerin | !iyhtays PrinceAMD |
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| 05:25.28 | dpkg | PrinceAMD: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
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| 05:25.44 | karsten | WTF is a debian source respo? |
| 05:26.00 | PrinceAMD | to get all my uncompiled stuff |
| 05:26.01 | PrinceAMD | src |
| 05:26.08 | treeshoo | how do I use a diff |
| 05:26.11 | treeshoo | for the source |
| 05:26.14 | treeshoo | there are 2 files |
| 05:26.18 | tbamr | treeshoo: diff one two |
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| 05:26.23 | cooner750 | Hello |
| 05:26.34 | cooner750 | What command can I use to COMPLETELY remote Apache2? |
| 05:26.40 | treeshoo | on both gz files tbamr? |
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| 05:26.46 | treeshoo | or extract them first |
| 05:26.48 | karsten | cooner750: Pardon? |
| 05:26.53 | cooner750 | I'm getting the error "shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory" -- When trying to start Apache, or install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 05:26.58 | cooner750 | And not sure why |
| 05:27.06 | wols_ | cooner750: dpkg -l |grep apache2. purge every package |
| 05:27.09 | tbamr | treeshoo: get the package form http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/wget and then do "dpkg -i wget" |
| 05:27.23 | karsten | PrinceAMD: Remember: wherever you go, there you are. |
| 05:27.28 | PrinceAMD | Gigantic, cool what do yall mean by dff? |
| 05:27.53 | treeshoo | I need to compile it as I want it to be installed in a specific folder |
| 05:28.20 | treeshoo | or can that be done with dpkg? |
| 05:28.32 | Guerin | treeshoo: that's stupid. |
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| 05:28.48 | Guerin | treeshoo: it ncan be done with dpkg, but what's the point? |
| 05:29.11 | karsten | treeshoo: Debian doesn't support relocation trivially. |
| 05:29.15 | karsten | treeshoo: Unlike say RPM. |
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| 05:29.22 | dondelelcaro | we do support it, actually. |
| 05:29.31 | dondelelcaro | well, for certain values of support |
| 05:29.36 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:29.38 | Guerin | --root |
| 05:29.50 | tbamr | i don't understand treeshoo what you are trying to do. get a deb package, install it. the package can be installed to diff directory incase you want that |
| 05:29.52 | Guerin | or editing a control file |
| 05:30.02 | karsten | dondelelcaro: athletic garments constructed of barbed wire fall *outside* my definition of support. |
| 05:30.13 | treeshoo | ok |
| 05:30.15 | treeshoo | will try that |
| 05:30.28 | karsten | tbamr: Good, it's working |
| 05:30.38 | tbamr | karsten: :O |
| 05:30.39 | Guerin | karsten: he could be faking it. |
| 05:30.50 | Guerin | administer more stringent tests! |
| 05:30.58 | karsten | Guerin: Damnit, I *hate* it when they do that. |
| 05:30.59 | dondelelcaro | yerp; and in this case, you'd do something like apt-get -o DPkg::options::='--instdir=/foo'; or similar |
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| 05:31.10 | dondelelcaro | but why you'd ever want to do that, I'm not sure. |
| 05:31.14 | poncha | karsten, dondelelcaro, what kind of relocation ? what are you talking about ? *ponder* |
| 05:31.23 | karsten | dondelelcaro: That relocates one package or all? </too lazy to RTFM> |
| 05:31.31 | tbamr | treeshoo: get the package, dpkg -install-dir=where_you_want <package_name> |
| 05:31.39 | dondelelcaro | karsten: whatever packages you tell apt-get to install |
| 05:31.48 | karsten | poncha: Relocation == term used in RH for installing a package to a location other than that which is default for the package. |
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| 05:31.57 | tbamr | treeshoo: is a bot |
| 05:31.58 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Ok, for that particular apt-get / aptitude action. |
| 05:32.00 | tbamr | :O |
| 05:32.15 | dondelelcaro | karsten: right; you can make it the default using /etc/dpkg.conf, but you really don't want to do that |
| 05:32.29 | poncha | karsten: oh... i see. well, and why would this feature be needed? :) |
| 05:32.33 | dondelelcaro | s/dpkg.conf/dpkg/dpkg.cfg/ |
| 05:32.50 | karsten | poncha: Oh, say, randomly fucking up your installation, particularly FTNPSWHTMI |
| 05:32.59 | poncha | ;) |
| 05:33.03 | karsten | (for the next poor sod who has to maintain it) |
| 05:33.06 | dondelelcaro | poncha: it generally wouldn't ever be needed. The reason why it *may* be useful at somepoint is when you're not root, but in those cases you generally want to use dpkg-deb anyway. |
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| 05:33.52 | poncha | dondelelcaro: am i missing smth, or apt would not allow non-root to get a lock on dpkg db anyway? |
| 05:34.18 | dondelelcaro | poncha: there are methods of getting around that too |
| 05:34.24 | dondelelcaro | poncha: see --admindir FE. |
| 05:34.29 | poncha | oh |
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| 05:34.51 | dondelelcaro | not particularly sane methods, in the normal line of things, but sometimes useful. |
| 05:34.51 | poncha | so a user can maintain own set of packages inside own dpkg registry... hehe, nice to know |
| 05:35.18 | tbamr | dpkg oh dpkg where art thou |
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| 05:37.22 | treeshoo | debian:~/wget# dpkg -install-dir=/root wget_1.10.2-2_i386.deb |
| 05:37.22 | treeshoo | dpkg: unknown option -n |
| 05:38.24 | dondelelcaro | treeshoo: it's --instdir; man dpkg. |
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| 05:38.53 | raven1717 | hi |
| 05:39.05 | dondelelcaro | treeshoo: and in general, you shouldn't be taking our word on options to commands. Look at what we say, and then use it to consult the manpage and understand why we said something. |
| 05:39.13 | treeshoo | ok |
| 05:39.41 | treeshoo | thanks |
| 05:39.55 | dondelelcaro | esp. since I or others may purposefully leave things out so as to enahance your learning experience. |
| 05:40.11 | Guerin | and others of us just make shit up |
| 05:40.25 | tbamr | of which some of us know jack shit |
| 05:40.26 | tbamr | :P |
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| 05:41.01 | karsten | treeshoo: If you're lucky someone will speak up and say "No, dondelelcaro is full of crap", but then you have to sort out who's telling the truth. |
| 05:41.19 | treeshoo | thanks guys |
| 05:41.31 | treeshoo | I am really new to Debian (less than a week) and I am really liking it |
| 05:41.57 | raven1717 | Has anyone tried installing mediatomb upnp with dlna feature on xebian (xbox build of debian) ? I am a noob, so this maybe a stupid question ! |
| 05:42.33 | karsten | treeshoo: I'm really new to Debian (less than a decade) and I am really liking it ;-) |
| 05:42.49 | karsten | raven1717: xebian != debian |
| 05:43.03 | karsten | raven1717: /msg dpkg not debian |
| 05:43.57 | raven1717 | sorry i dont understand do i need to go another channel ? |
| 05:44.14 | karsten | raven1717: yes. |
| 05:44.20 | karsten | raven1717: ... or run Debian. |
| 05:44.35 | CVD | can i ask one about .deb creation with checkinstall? |
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| 05:44.40 | raven1717 | thanks !! |
| 05:44.41 | karsten | !ask |
| 05:44.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 05:44.59 | karsten | CVD: ... or yes, by all means, we're turning blue.... |
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| 05:46.37 | karsten | ... purple ... |
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| 05:47.42 | CVD | i download pidgin2 source, then auto-apt ./configure, make , checkinstall , after created the .db when installing "error trying to override /user/bin/strip" |
| 05:47.59 | tcpl | I just installed libc6-dbg, but I don't know how to tell gcc to use that instead of the non-dbg version. |
| 05:48.00 | karsten | CVD: ... which is owned by another package? |
| 05:48.35 | karsten | CVD: Debian doesn't allow a file to be owned by two packages at the same time. Either fix your package to not include that file, or force an override. man dpkg. |
| 05:48.49 | karsten | ... I think. Read the APT HOWTO in general. |
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| 05:49.24 | mosno | two packages can own the same file, but the packages will conflict (or must be declared to conflict) |
| 05:49.35 | karsten | mosno: Point. |
| 05:49.41 | mosno | :P |
| 05:49.57 | karsten | Feh! |
| 05:50.07 | karsten | CVD: You can also use diversions. |
| 05:50.34 | CVD | so if i want to distribute this, what is the best thing todo? |
| 05:50.38 | karsten | ... if I can find a !@#$%^&*() factoid on it. |
| 05:50.43 | karsten | CVD: Fix it. |
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| 05:51.02 | karsten | CVD: I'm *not* a packaging guru, FYI. |
| 05:51.06 | Zoo | dam, I tell ya, compiz fusion sure looks sweet |
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| 05:51.28 | Zoo | hello everyone btw, anyone going to take there time with the iphone :-) |
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| 05:52.19 | CVD | Fix it :-O |
| 05:52.25 | wols_ | Zoo: you are OT. go to #apple or something |
| 05:52.56 | CVD | what is the command to install .debs at the same time |
| 05:53.11 | karsten | CVD: dpkg |
| 05:53.22 | karsten | CVD: dpkg -i foo.deb bar.deb baz.deb |
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| 05:53.50 | simonrvn | quux.deb too ;p |
| 05:54.04 | simonrvn | you may lart at will |
| 05:54.06 | karsten | simonrvn: first qux, *then* quux. |
| 05:54.15 | simonrvn | well fine |
| 05:54.22 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 05:54.33 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 05:59.57 | wols_ | simonrvn threw youre own batter after you? |
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| 06:00.05 | wols_ | maybe I should have bet on him instead |
| 06:00.45 | simonrvn | wols_: eh? |
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| 06:02.02 | wols_ | simonrvn: you need to watch more ST:TOS |
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| 06:02.25 | simonrvn | no i don't ;p |
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| 06:04.40 | kosen | ? |
| 06:04.40 | simonrvn | what's the TOS part mean? |
| 06:04.46 | simonrvn | wols_: ^^^ |
| 06:04.50 | wols_ | kirk spock and mccoy |
| 06:04.56 | Guerin | TOSser? |
| 06:05.05 | simonrvn | oh the original... i saw all of them ;) |
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| 06:05.38 | simonrvn | haven't in years though |
| 06:06.03 | kosen | is this the official Debian GNU/Linux channel? |
| 06:06.08 | Guerin | no |
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| 06:06.13 | simonrvn | official, no, debian yes |
| 06:06.16 | Guerin | #debian on irc.debian.org |
| 06:06.29 | Guerin | (which is oftc) |
| 06:06.43 | kosen | is there an official Debian GNU/Linux channel? |
| 06:06.49 | Guerin | see above |
| 06:06.54 | wols_ | according to dondelecaro there is no official debian channel |
| 06:07.05 | Zoo | hee, we all wish :-) |
| 06:07.14 | Guerin | the one on irc.debian.org is traditionally the official one |
| 06:07.22 | Guerin | for obvious reasons |
| 06:07.25 | Zoo | official is what you make of it, and you make your own world official.. you can do what you want, you don't need chat to help you succeed |
| 06:07.40 | simonrvn | what wols_ said... the default setting for the network for IRC clients packaged in debian all point to #debian on irc.debian.org |
| 06:07.40 | Zoo | ;-) |
| 06:07.41 | Guerin | Zoo: thanks, captain obvious |
| 06:07.49 | Zoo | welcome |
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| 06:08.21 | kosen | Debian should be a brand new which is not to be used by any tom, dick or hairy. |
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| 06:08.29 | simonrvn | we're just a buncha of old farts in here ;p |
| 06:08.46 | simonrvn | 'harry', though hairy is funny :) |
| 06:08.50 | Guerin | !should |
| 06:08.50 | dpkg | somebody said should was a word to use in moderation, unless of course it involves something that you either paid someone else to do, or are willing to do yourself. |
| 06:08.58 | kosen | a bunch of MFSOBs. |
| 06:09.09 | Guerin | kosen: maybe you should make elitian |
| 06:09.22 | simonrvn | wtf was that? what an effing luser |
| 06:10.00 | Guerin | singtards |
| 06:10.09 | Guerin | it seems to be what comes from living in a police state |
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| 06:11.15 | simonrvn | no sense of humour |
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| 06:12.13 | simonrvn | eh, imma do some coding before i go to sleep. later folks |
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| 06:12.24 | simonrvn | nice chatting with you |
| 06:12.42 | wols_ | why are you making us feel bad while we waste away our lives on irc? |
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| 06:13.14 | simonrvn | eh? nothing's stopping you from doing something else ;) |
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| 06:14.10 | wols_ | simonrvn: my laziness is strong! |
| 06:14.18 | simonrvn | heheh |
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| 06:17.36 | tcpl | am I suppose to run some update command after altering the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 06:17.46 | Guerin | tcpl: yes |
| 06:17.53 | Guerin | that command is `ma aptitude' |
| 06:17.59 | Guerin | err, man aptitude |
| 06:18.06 | tcpl | heh |
| 06:18.10 | tcpl | Guerin: I don't use aptitude |
| 06:18.16 | Guerin | tcpl: start. |
| 06:18.20 | simonrvn | aptitude --help for the quickie, or apt-get --help (same) |
| 06:18.43 | tcpl | Guerin: I use apt about once every 4 months; it's not worth learning. |
| 06:18.50 | Guerin | tcpl: nothing to learn |
| 06:19.06 | diskus | it will take like 30s to read that manual |
| 06:19.27 | tcpl | could someone please tell me what (non-aptitude) command I have to run after altering sources.list? |
| 06:19.41 | diskus | tcpl: simonrvn told you already |
| 06:20.08 | tcpl | diskus: yes, twice; even after I told him "no thanks". Which I why I muted him. |
| 06:20.25 | diskus | tcpl: that's your loss then |
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| 06:20.58 | simonrvn | wtf? i get set on /ignore for what i said? |
| 06:21.03 | MilhousePunkRock | Hello everyone! |
| 06:21.06 | tcpl | diskus: it would only be my loss if I cared about debian and used it enough to bother learning how to properly manage packages. But I don't; so it's no loss. |
| 06:21.08 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 06:21.19 | Supaplex | !comfort simonrvn ;) |
| 06:21.19 | dpkg | There, there, simonrvn ;). It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 06:21.25 | Supaplex | hehe |
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| 06:21.50 | MilhousePunkRock | Why does cupsys have a dependancy on x11-common? |
| 06:21.50 | simonrvn | tcpl: even though you're igonring me, here goes. then it's your loss when something breaks. and don't expect me to ever help you in the future |
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| 06:22.01 | tcpl | simonrvn: on, no; sorry, not you. I meant Guerin. |
| 06:22.21 | Guerin | MilhousePunkRock: because it needs to be able to process images |
| 06:22.28 | Supaplex | tcpl: hire someone if you can't be bothered to learn the basics |
| 06:22.32 | tcpl | simonrvn: no no, I didn't mute you. You didn't do anything, I mispoke, I meant to say Guerin and I accidental said simonrvn. I didn't notice your message actually. |
| 06:22.46 | tcpl | Supaplex: I'd rather just use the tools I already know. |
| 06:23.09 | Guerin | fuck's sakes |
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| 06:23.29 | Guerin | apt<tab><tab> will do it |
| 06:23.55 | tcpl | simonrvn: yea, `apt-get --help` points me to sources.list(5), which tells me noting about what I should do after editing it. |
| 06:23.56 | Guerin | he'd rather use the tools he already know ... which he doesn't know |
| 06:24.01 | tcpl | simonrvn: apt-cache update? |
| 06:24.17 | MilhousePunkRock | tcpl: apt-get update |
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| 06:24.24 | mnguyen | How do i add a user to a group without removing his current group associations? |
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| 06:24.37 | Guerin | mnguyen: adduser? |
| 06:25.32 | MilhousePunkRock | mnguyen: AFAIK your current associatons don't get lost by adding to another group |
| 06:27.06 | makk1ntosh[work] | hello all. can any one tell me how to enable scrolling with mouse scroll in emacs? |
| 06:27.24 | Guerin | makk1ntosh[work]: terminal or x? |
| 06:27.33 | tcpl | oh, now I know why it's all not working |
| 06:27.33 | makk1ntosh[work] | x |
| 06:27.38 | tcpl | my network seems to be down |
| 06:27.54 | tcpl | all the other computers on this network can get out to the Internet at large; but this one can't |
| 06:28.18 | makk1ntosh[work] | Guerin: X one :) |
| 06:28.30 | Supaplex | tcpl: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail45.html |
| 06:28.33 | Guerin | makk1ntosh[work]: no idea, then. Ask #emacs. |
| 06:28.38 | makk1ntosh[work] | ty :) |
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| 06:28.55 | simonrvn | MilhousePunkRock: they can if you use useradd... that's why adduser is recommended. takes care of the all the nitty gritty. at least debian's is the best i've seen |
| 06:29.04 | mnguyen | Guerin, thanks |
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| 06:29.27 | simonrvn | mine just worked... though i *did* copy my old .emacs over to this host |
| 06:30.03 | simonrvn | makk1ntosh[work]: http://www.emacswiki.org/ |
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| 06:30.32 | Shirakawasuna | after a default installation, how do you reinstall the kernel? I'm helping someone on DALnet and they're missing some modules. |
| 06:30.44 | Shirakawasuna | is it by default a binary package or do you recompile every time? |
| 06:30.45 | simonrvn | makk1ntosh[work]: be careful though, your .emacs will quickly grow to 40 KB ;) |
| 06:30.49 | Guerin | Shirakawasuna: which modules, and which kernel? |
| 06:30.49 | tcpl | Supaplex: heh, I think I've seen that |
| 06:31.03 | Shirakawasuna | Guerin: it's a 2.6.18 kernel and it's missing the ieee80211 modules |
| 06:31.04 | makk1ntosh[work] | yeah :) |
| 06:31.13 | Guerin | Shirakawasuna: all of them? |
| 06:31.38 | makk1ntosh[work] | simonrvn: u know i rarely restart it :) so most of setting doesnt need to be saved:)) |
| 06:31.41 | MilhousePunkRock | Weird, why are some debian channels both on OFTC and freenode and others only on OFTC? |
| 06:31.45 | simonrvn | i'm byte compiling mine now, it's around 50 K |
| 06:31.47 | Shirakawasuna | Guerin: all I know is that it simply can't find the .ko modules for iee80211 and ieee80211_crypto |
| 06:31.49 | makk1ntosh[work] | but this one really annoing problem |
| 06:31.58 | Guerin | MilhousePunkRock: because the two networks are completely unrelated? |
| 06:32.00 | Shirakawasuna | Guerin: the person is a n00b and can't figure locate out :) |
| 06:32.02 | netdaemon | any plans to get suspend in the kernel? |
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| 06:32.13 | Guerin | netdaemon: suspend is in the kernel |
| 06:32.18 | Supaplex | Shirakawasuna: did updatedb run? |
| 06:32.21 | MilhousePunkRock | Guerin: So this channel is not the same as #debian on OFTC? |
| 06:32.23 | Shirakawasuna | I think he means suspend2 |
| 06:32.35 | simonrvn | netdaemon: just has to be enabled if it isn't |
| 06:32.38 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:32.44 | simonrvn | plus! |
| 06:32.47 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 06:32.51 | netdaemon | o_O |
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| 06:33.00 | simonrvn | couldn't resist =) |
| 06:33.02 | Guerin | Shirakawasuna: that's not a debian kernel, then |
| 06:33.15 | Guerin | Shirakawasuna: i don't like guessing. |
| 06:33.22 | netdaemon | sweet |
| 06:33.24 | Shirakawasuna | Guerin: ? |
| 06:33.32 | wols_ | Shirakawasuna: what exact kernel version? (uname -a)? |
| 06:33.32 | Shirakawasuna | Guerin: the suspend2 thing was for netdaemon |
| 06:33.33 | Guerin | Shirakawasuna: about which suspend version he refers to |
| 06:33.41 | netdaemon | modconf to the rescue |
| 06:33.53 | Shirakawasuna | linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 06:34.00 | netdaemon | o_O |
| 06:34.24 | netdaemon | i just want one that works |
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| 06:34.29 | GhostlyDeath | How do you disable warnings in GCC? -W what/ |
| 06:34.31 | wols_ | Shirakawasuna: then he hasn't installed it right. who knows what else is wrongly isntalled |
| 06:34.38 | Supaplex | is it unusual for logrotate to sieze up? I notice machine with uptimes greater than a few weeks sometimes have logrotate in pstree, but it's dead. |
| 06:34.42 | wols_ | GhostlyDeath: don't |
| 06:34.46 | Supaplex | machines* |
| 06:35.12 | hobophobe | can anyone think of a reason why iceweasel can't open a directory if it's owned and grouped and permissions are kosher? |
| 06:35.23 | Guerin | Shirakawasuna: well, the way to reinstall a kernel is aptitude install linux-image-something |
| 06:35.26 | Shirakawasuna | wols_: supposedly he was doing some kernel stuff and it 'asked him' if he wanted to delete some modules. Like I said, complete n00b |
| 06:35.41 | Shirakawasuna | and he doesn't seem to speak english as his first language |
| 06:35.42 | Guerin | Shirakawasuna: he's full of shit |
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| 06:36.13 | hobophobe | it's basically acting like I don't have permission (as it does for the lost+found directory), but I do in fact have permission. |
| 06:36.18 | Guerin | nothing will ever remove modules; they do no harm being left as-is |
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| 06:39.16 | hobophobe | heh. adding a symlink to the directory in /var/www lets me access it that way |
| 06:39.56 | Guerin | hobophobe: it will work without the symlink if you use file:// instead of http:// |
| 06:40.10 | hobophobe | I am using file:// |
| 06:40.11 | hobophobe | it doesn't. |
| 06:40.14 | Guerin | huh |
| 06:40.24 | hobophobe | I also tried /path by itself which it adds file:// to |
| 06:40.24 | Guerin | weird |
| 06:40.26 | hobophobe | yeah |
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| 06:41.26 | hobophobe | ah well, since I have apache for my purposes the symlink will work just as well. just bugs me when I can't figure out why something behaves as it does |
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| 06:45.31 | Supaplex | hobophobe: you trust tEh weasel? ;o) |
| 06:46.11 | ferret | o.o |
| 06:46.38 | hobophobe | Trust it? it works pretty good.. |
| 06:46.47 | xand | ferrets |
| 06:46.57 | ferret | xands |
| 06:47.02 | xand | :) |
| 06:47.18 | hobophobe | can't say it's perfect, I'm working on an extension and it's a pain in a lot of ways, but I don't know of anything better. |
| 06:47.41 | Supaplex | i's just having fun |
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| 06:50.52 | netdaemon | there a way to list what daemons are running? |
| 06:51.01 | netdaemon | and better yet, to change which ones load at boot |
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| 06:51.11 | wols_ | netdaemon: rcconf |
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| 06:58.24 | giwe | I can see passwd and shadow.byname on a NIS client but cannot login. What can be wrong? |
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| 07:00.17 | metbsd | weasel? |
| 07:00.42 | ferret | o.o |
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| 07:02.14 | ace | hello |
| 07:02.24 | ace | when I apt-get install tomcat5.5n i have this erorr |
| 07:02.31 | ace | Setting up tomcat5.5 (5.5.20-2) ... |
| 07:02.31 | ace | Starting Tomcat servlet engine: tomcat5.5invoke-rc.d: initscript tomcat5.5, action "start" failed. |
| 07:02.31 | ace | dpkg: error processing tomcat5.5 (--configure): |
| 07:02.31 | ace | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.31 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 07:02.47 | Cromag | !paste |
| 07:02.47 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 07:03.10 | giwe | I can see passwd and shadow.byname on a NIS client but cannot login. What can be wrong? |
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| 07:03.30 | dimir | repeating the same question. |
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| 07:03.56 | dimir | giwe: what are you doing exactly? |
| 07:03.59 | ace | http://paste.debian.net/31572 |
| 07:04.04 | ace | i have this error |
| 07:04.12 | giwe | dimir, I'm trying to setup a NIS server and client. |
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| 07:04.55 | giwe | dimir, I was expecting to be able to login on a client that is properly seeing the NIS server. |
| 07:05.11 | dimir | does it see the entries from the server? |
| 07:05.13 | giwe | dimir, hower, the authentication via ssh does not go through. |
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| 07:05.21 | giwe | dimir, yes. |
| 07:05.22 | dimir | How can you tell it? |
| 07:05.28 | Gigantic | How do I know the size of my FS's tree? |
| 07:05.34 | dimir | getent passwd works? |
| 07:05.49 | giwe | dimir, doing "ypcat passwd" |
| 07:06.00 | rossMoHaX | why it is possible that df -h shows that /dev/sda3 (mounted as root) has used 4.7G of 5G, but cd /; du -hsx gives only 2G of files? |
| 07:06.04 | giwe | dimir, and ypcat shadow.byname. |
| 07:06.07 | dimir | giwe: then set up PAM module for ssh, /etc/pam.d/ssh |
| 07:06.14 | dimir | on the client. |
| 07:06.20 | giwe | dimir, what should I have there? |
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| 07:06.26 | Gigantic | rossMoHaX: look at trash |
| 07:06.40 | dimir | giwe: entries telling PAM to use NIS. |
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| 07:07.00 | dimir | giwe: try 'getent passwd some_remote_user' first. |
| 07:07.04 | dimir | Does that work? |
| 07:07.09 | giwe | dimir, k. |
| 07:07.35 | zabovo | hi, the new testing xorg-intel does not produce the right 1680x1050 on my 22" LCD |
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| 07:07.50 | zabovo | with the stable version is all ok... what's the solution? |
| 07:07.55 | giwe | dimir,yes it returns a remote user entry in /etc/passwd |
| 07:08.10 | dimir | good, now all you need is configure /etc/pam.d/ssh |
| 07:08.24 | giwe | dimir, lemme try. |
| 07:08.44 | rahul | @include common-auth |
| 07:08.49 | rahul | that's what you should be modifying |
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| 07:09.12 | giwe | rahul, in /etc/pam.d/ssh? |
| 07:09.19 | hobophobe | ace, there are bugs filed on tomcat5.5-2 for that problem.. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425899 ; it is fixed in the newer versions in unstable. Could you install that instead? |
| 07:09.28 | rossMoHaX | Gigantic, Trash? What is it? |
| 07:09.29 | giwe | rahul, that was already there. |
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| 07:09.40 | ace | hobophobe thank |
| 07:09.50 | Gigantic | rossMoHaX: -.- |
| 07:09.58 | hobophobe | You're welcome |
| 07:10.04 | Gigantic | rossMoHaX: /.Trash-1000 for example |
| 07:10.11 | rahul | giwe: that's what everything else includes |
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| 07:10.18 | rahul | change that and everything else changes |
| 07:10.26 | rossMoHaX | Gigantic, isnt' du calculates ALL files and folders? |
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| 07:10.59 | BrownFrog | I just backed up a MacBook's EFI-partitioned HFS+ hard drive with dd onto a Linux PC (that I'm now typing on); how can I mount the image to look at the files? |
| 07:11.17 | Gigantic | uh? |
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| 07:11.45 | rahul | BrownFrog: mount -o loop file /mnt/point |
| 07:12.00 | rahul | Agiofws: core 2 duo doesn't really matter |
| 07:12.05 | Gigantic | BrownFrog: hfsutils + xhfsutils |
| 07:12.10 | giwe | rahul, no luck with pam.d |
| 07:12.12 | rahul | Agiofws: scsi vs. sata, etc is what's important |
| 07:12.18 | giwe | rahul, other suggestions? |
| 07:12.20 | rahul | giwe: common-auth? |
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| 07:12.27 | rahul | giwe: did you restart the server? |
| 07:12.41 | Agiofws | rahul, so i download 386 arch iso image ? |
| 07:12.42 | giwe | rahul, both ssh and nis. |
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| 07:13.04 | rahul | giwe: and common-account |
| 07:13.10 | rahul | giwe: all the common- stuff |
| 07:13.13 | rahul | Agiofws: yes |
| 07:13.15 | BrownFrog | rahul: thanks :) when Googling it, they did something much more elaborate (like calculating sectors), and it didn't work; that did :D just as simple as CD/DVD ISO's |
| 07:13.25 | rahul | BrownFrog: yeah :) |
| 07:13.34 | giwe | rahul, auth required pam_unix.so nullok_secure nis |
| 07:13.40 | giwe | rahul, is this correct? |
| 07:13.43 | rahul | BrownFrog: might not have all the fanciness that the hfsutils will let you do, tho |
| 07:13.56 | rahul | giwe: not sure... if it worked for other stuff, it shuold work here |
| 07:13.56 | giwe | rahul, inside common-auth |
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| 07:14.24 | nsx | do any of you use the 'conservative' cpufreq governor? |
| 07:14.32 | nsx | or understand in depth how it works? |
| 07:14.33 | giwe | rahul, I have a suspicion that the shadow is in a format that debian may not understand. |
| 07:14.52 | giwe | rahul, the shadow hash is much longer than a box in debian. |
| 07:14.55 | rahul | giwe: hrm, that's interesting |
| 07:15.08 | giwe | rahul, the sever is a suse box. |
| 07:15.09 | BrownFrog | rahul, Gigantic: I think I do have hfsutils installed; not familiar with its uses though |
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| 07:15.27 | rahul | BrownFrog: if mounting lets you do what you need, don't worry |
| 07:15.35 | rahul | BrownFrog: if not, crack open some docs |
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| 07:15.43 | Gigantic | BrownFrog: did you configure fstab and the mount points?\ |
| 07:15.48 | rahul | giwe: those crazy germans! |
| 07:16.12 | BrownFrog | Gigantic: nah, this is just mounting it temporarily to poke around and make sure the backup went alright, not a permanent thing |
| 07:16.14 | giwe | rahul, the shadow in debian starts with $1 whereas in the suse starts with a $2. |
| 07:16.22 | BrownFrog | rahul: okies, thanks :) |
| 07:16.24 | giwe | rahul, for all users. |
| 07:16.29 | rahul | giwe: no clue what they're doing. |
| 07:16.45 | rahul | maybe it's an sha-1-based passwd hash |
| 07:16.53 | Gigantic | oh |
| 07:17.07 | giwe | rahul, if it is, how do I make debian to recognize the beast? |
| 07:17.11 | rahul | check common-password |
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| 07:17.20 | rahul | maybe simply putting sha1 in there instead of md5 will do it |
| 07:17.23 | giwe | rahul, on the suse box? |
| 07:17.53 | rahul | hrm |
| 07:17.55 | rahul | no |
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| 07:18.00 | Gigantic | BrownFrog: man hfsutils ? |
| 07:18.04 | rahul | it should autodetect, that's the point of the $ |
| 07:18.09 | giwe | rahul, my debian box doesn have neither md5 nor sha1 |
| 07:18.16 | rahul | giwe: I guess on the suse box it needs to be md5 |
| 07:18.18 | giwe | in common-auth. |
| 07:18.34 | rahul | common-password has the password handling |
| 07:18.36 | Gigantic | no sha nor md5 ??? |
| 07:18.40 | giwe | rahul, humnn. what do I do about everones password ;) |
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| 07:18.51 | rahul | giwe: tell them to reset it :\ |
| 07:18.55 | BrownFrog | Gigantic: yeah, I could do that |
| 07:19.02 | giwe | rahul, LoL ;) |
| 07:19.06 | Gigantic | BrownFrog: :) |
| 07:19.07 | rahul | yeah |
| 07:19.09 | rahul | oh well |
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| 07:19.45 | rossMoHaX | solved. problem was - I've deleted some big files, but they was still open by running daemons. After deleting it isn't counted by du any more, but inode still used, so it's marked as used by df |
| 07:20.19 | shadeofgrey | has anyone here had success installing debian and compiz-revolution or whatever that new GDM is called on intel macs running the coreduo chipset? |
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| 07:21.06 | giwe | rahul, did a grep in pam.d on the suse box and there is no trace of md5 or sha!! |
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| 07:21.27 | Gigantic | yuak... |
| 07:21.59 | rahul | giwe: hrm |
| 07:22.02 | rahul | I'm lost |
| 07:22.08 | rahul | and tired... night everyone |
| 07:22.17 | BrownFrog | g'night and thanks rahul :) |
| 07:22.19 | giwe | rahul, thanks anyway! |
| 07:22.19 | rahul | giwe: good luck :( |
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| 07:22.23 | rahul | np guys |
| 07:22.23 | giwe | rahul, night. |
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| 07:27.11 | BrownFrog | Any idea if Debian (and/or Linux in general) works well on the new Gigabyte P35 motherboards? I'm thinking specifically of getting the one with both DDR2 and DDR3 support. |
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| 07:29.14 | shadeofgrey | BrownFrog, chances are the DDR3 modules will get dialed down |
| 07:29.33 | BrownFrog | shadeofgrey: dialed down? |
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| 07:30.29 | shadeofgrey | BrownFrog, i doubt youd get full speed out of them... im betting that their default speed would be decreased to avoid Kernel panics |
| 07:30.37 | shadeofgrey | but hey, what the hell do i know? |
| 07:30.40 | BrownFrog | shadeofgrey: ah, ok; thanks for explaining |
| 07:30.41 | shadeofgrey | try it |
| 07:30.51 | shadeofgrey | im not an authority on the subject |
| 07:30.58 | shadeofgrey | but thats my gut feeling on it |
| 07:31.07 | shadeofgrey | ultimately tgeres only one way to find oyut |
| 07:31.17 | BrownFrog | shadeofgrey: I can't; it's just a board I'm thinking of getting; I want to verify Linux compatibility first ;) |
| 07:31.35 | BrownFrog | shadeofgrey: anyway, it will be with DDR2 at first; DDR3 is really expensive now |
| 07:31.44 | py__ | what can cause a computer to hang just before the line "Uncompressing linux... Ok, booting the kernel." when monitor is not plugged in, and to work without a glitch when monitor is connected? |
| 07:32.24 | dondelelcaro | py__: only the bootloader is running at that stage... but what makes you think that it's actually got that far or is hanging there? |
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| 07:34.12 | py__ | dondelelcaro: well, I can see it by connecting the monitor after a while: I see the grub output lines (last one being "savedefault"), and the "Uncompressing" line which should be the next is simply not there. |
| 07:35.08 | dondelelcaro | py__: yeah; that basically means that for whatever reason it never actually executed the kernel |
| 07:35.46 | dondelelcaro | py__: generally that means that you've got a kernel which is really jacked, but I'm not aware of any connection with that and a monitor being in our out, unless the bios is really wierd. |
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| 07:37.01 | py__ | dondelelcaro: I've already played with quite a few bios settings with no luck so far. The kernel is a stock debian 2.6.20-something IIRC... |
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| 07:37.10 | CVD | ? |
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| 07:37.51 | dondelelcaro | py__: do you have any usual kernel options, like a console=ttyS0 or similar? |
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| 07:39.40 | py__ | dondelelcaro: only options I pass are root=..., ro and panic=60. I also tried by adding console=ttyS0,9600, and also debug, but it doesn't change anything, very same "hanging" behaviour |
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| 07:40.16 | dondelelcaro | py__: strange; I don't really have any good suggestions... but it sure seems to be hardware specific. |
| 07:40.32 | dondelelcaro | py__: are you plugging/unplugging the monitor or just turning it on/off? |
| 07:40.58 | byrron | after "apt-get install geda", i could not find it in kde menu. i know its a gnome app but it should still be in the menu, right? |
| 07:41.01 | py__ | dondelelcaro: physically plugin it in or not |
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| 07:41.34 | Edward_TLS | any one knows alternative boot images with more adaptec support .. ? |
| 07:41.43 | dondelelcaro | py__: do you even have to have the monitor on? |
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| 07:42.06 | py__ | dondelelcaro: didn't try that, will do right now |
| 07:42.07 | dondelelcaro | py__: in any event, I can't imagine anything good that would cause that sort of problem, save wierd hardware issues. |
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| 07:42.34 | dondelelcaro | (and the type of hardware problems that I can think of that would cause it are not ones that you want to have) |
| 07:42.52 | byrron | i have checked that geda is in /usr/bin. |
| 07:43.12 | byrron | and i can run it from command line. |
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| 07:43.45 | dondelelcaro | Edward_TLS: the debian installation media supports almost all of the adaptech cards, though it doesn't support some of the software raid modes on some adaptec models. |
| 07:44.01 | dondelelcaro | byrron: it'd probably show up in the Debian menu |
| 07:44.19 | byrron | dondelelcaro: yeah, thought of that, checked there. none. |
| 07:44.49 | dondelelcaro | well, hopefully someone who actually uses kde will know. |
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| 07:45.14 | py__ | dondelelcaro: some more informations: the board is actually brand new, and we have several of them: they all do behave the same way, but it seems that depending on the monitor connected, it may also hang even with monitor attached... |
| 07:45.39 | dondelelcaro | py__: it's i386? |
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| 07:46.48 | py__ | dondelelcaro: yeah, its a Geode LX800-based board. Am looking for a link to some info about that board to show you |
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| 07:47.43 | dondelelcaro | oh; that's that tiny embedded board |
| 07:47.54 | xushi_ | i have a folder with many subfolders, all of them have files with spaces in their names.. i need to rename the spaces with underscores.. after googling, i found out i could do it with find and rename, but i can't quite put them together.. what am i doing wrong here?: find Restaurants/ -name *.txt | xargs rename " " "_" * |
| 07:49.08 | dondelelcaro | xushi_: you want find Rest ... -name '*.txt' -print0|xargs -0 rename 's/\s+/_/g; s/_+/_/g;'; |
| 07:49.19 | cydork | xushi_: check what i told you in #bash :) |
| 07:49.22 | dondelelcaro | xushi_: man find; man xargs; man rename; perldoc perlre. |
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| 07:51.07 | xushi_ | thanks dondelelcaro. cydork thanks for the link in #bash.. thing is my eyes are really getting tired from reading.. it's been half an hour of reading now. I would have loved for someone to have told me what was wrong with my code, such as dondelelcaro's example |
| 07:51.31 | xushi_ | i'm going to the #bash channel since this is more appropriate there, thanks |
| 07:51.40 | py__ | dondelelcaro: I'ts that one: http://www.evalue-tech.com/products/ECM-LX800.cfm |
| 07:52.14 | py__ | dondelelcaro: quite a nice piece of kit indeed, and working very nicely...when it boots :-( |
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| 07:52.56 | py__ | dondelelcaro: also, I just tested: my monitor does not need to be turned on, it only has to be plugged in. |
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| 07:54.40 | dondelelcaro | py__: heh. that's really wierd. I wonder if it would work with just a cable and sufficiently sized resistors between the leads |
| 07:55.10 | dondelelcaro | py__: but yeah, signs point to some sort of hardware issue from where I'm sitting; I'd almost suggest getting in touch with the manufacturer |
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| 07:55.31 | dondelelcaro | esp. since you can probably take the same image, shove it in another machine, and it'll boot right away. |
| 07:55.54 | dondelelcaro | in any event, best of luck... have to fly in a few hours. ;-) |
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| 07:56.05 | py__ | dondelelcaro: not probably: I can do it, I already tested that |
| 07:56.25 | py__ | dondelelcaro: thanks for the chat, and have a nice fly then :-) |
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| 08:02.31 | cafuego | what? |
| 08:02.53 | CVD | me? |
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| 08:04.07 | cafuego | CVD: Oh... you can add a .desktop file and register that via update-menus and/or update-desktop-database. |
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| 08:09.42 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - one of my servers wont boot, the error says '/dev/md0 assembled from 1 drive - need all 2 to start it (use --run to insist) - is there any way to force this as a kernel arguement or something? |
| 08:10.08 | Super_Cat_Frog | its running debian etch with software raid 1 |
| 08:10.09 | cafuego | is that a raid0? |
| 08:10.13 | cafuego | ah ok |
| 08:10.27 | Super_Cat_Frog | i need it to boot |
| 08:10.34 | cafuego | best bet is to boot cd, then manually assemble the array and resync it. |
| 08:11.16 | Super_Cat_Frog | cafuego: how would i do that? would i need to configure mdadm on the live cd, then treat it as normal? |
| 08:12.27 | cafuego | No, just use the debian install cd and go as far as partitioning. By that point it should have loaded the ide/sata/scsi drivers and detected the array. |
| 08:12.53 | cafuego | Super_Cat_Frog: Then drop to a shell on tty2 and manually fix up the array if needed. |
| 08:13.04 | piper69_ | is there is a shortcut to switch between workspace? |
| 08:13.08 | Super_Cat_Frog | ah, ok thanks |
| 08:13.09 | cafuego | make it resync after manual assembly, then reboot. |
| 08:13.33 | war | Supaplex: you need to add to e/tc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 08:13.44 | war | mdadm --scan --examine |
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| 08:44.58 | breakerfall | hey |
| 08:45.06 | breakerfall | how would I check if package 'x' is installed on debian? |
| 08:45.17 | breakerfall | is there a command with apt that I can use to check for existing packages |
| 08:45.17 | breakerfall | ? |
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| 08:46.40 | Lukian | aptitude |
| 08:46.44 | Shisui | breakerfall, apt-cache policy <package name> |
| 08:47.19 | breakerfall | Shisui, thanks :) |
| 08:47.20 | breakerfall | I'll test now |
| 08:47.40 | Lukian | How do you install a particular package version? |
| 08:48.13 | breakerfall | Shisui, I guess where it shows Installed : (none), that means it's not installed? ;) |
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| 08:48.19 | breakerfall | poop |
| 08:48.32 | yage | How can i convert a timestamp into a date in bash? |
| 08:48.47 | Shisui | breakerfall, you guest fine :) |
| 08:48.52 | Shisui | guess * |
| 08:49.08 | Lukian | yage, google is quite helpful there |
| 08:49.31 | yage | Lukian: yep, rtfm |
| 08:49.57 | yage | DATE=$(echo $EPOCH|awk ‘{print strftime(â€%câ€,$1)}’) |
| 08:50.29 | Lukian | http://anton.lr2.com/archives/2006/04/06/convert-a-unix-epoch-timestamp-to-a-date-in-bash/ <- could use perl or that :p |
| 08:50.30 | breakerfall | thanks Shisui |
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| 08:50.48 | IndridCold_ | hey guys |
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| 08:54.21 | mjrosenb | what package do i need to install in order to get pthread.h? |
| 08:54.35 | Noborusan | H2S04, hi,are you still there ? |
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| 08:54.48 | Guerin | mjrosenb: /msg dpkg search |
| 08:54.51 | IndridCold_ | I've "accidentally" deleted a user called "sync" - am I in deep poop ? |
| 08:55.04 | Noborusan | Guerin, long time no see,how are you :) |
| 08:55.14 | Guerin | IndridCold_: how the fuck do you accidentally delete a user? |
| 08:55.22 | IndridCold_ | Ignorance Guerin. |
| 08:55.22 | Guerin | Noborusan: bonza mate |
| 08:55.28 | IndridCold_ | I was meant to delete webuser |
| 08:55.32 | mjrosenb | Guerin: that's assuming that i have the correct package installed. I need to install said package |
| 08:55.34 | IndridCold_ | *websync |
| 08:55.37 | IndridCold_ | user |
| 08:55.49 | Guerin | IndridCold_: that's not ignorance, that's ignorance wrapped in stupidity shrouded in recklessness |
| 08:56.00 | Guerin | mjrosenb: the search factoid assumes nothing |
| 08:56.01 | IndridCold_ | Guerin: Lesson learned. |
| 08:56.08 | Guerin | mjrosenb: i suggest you read it |
| 08:56.11 | Guerin | IndridCold_: quite |
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| 08:56.24 | Guerin | IndridCold_: hm |
| 08:56.28 | IndridCold_ | So what are the implications of this? |
| 08:56.53 | IndridCold_ | Other than verbal abuse. |
| 08:56.53 | Guerin | hang on |
| 08:56.56 | IndridCold_ | :P |
| 08:57.57 | Guerin | hm |
| 08:58.09 | Guerin | i'd tell you, but i can't seem to remember how to see a user's details |
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| 08:58.44 | mjrosenb | Guerin: dpkg: *pthread.h* not found |
| 08:59.23 | Guerin | mjrosenb: you get that error in response to *every* search method in that facoit? |
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| 08:59.30 | Guerin | factoid, even |
| 09:00.08 | mjrosenb | Guerin: no, if i just look for pthread, then I get a bunch of shared objects |
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| 09:01.08 | IndridCold_ | That's a good point actually |
| 09:01.22 | IndridCold_ | how do you find out what a user account is being used for ? |
| 09:01.55 | liable | look at its bash history |
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| 09:02.21 | Guerin | IndridCold_: i don't have a websync user on any of my boxen, so I guess you're safe |
| 09:02.26 | mjrosenb | isn't the bash history only for interactive shells? |
| 09:02.32 | Guerin | mjrosenb: yes, quite. |
| 09:02.41 | IndridCold_ | Guerin websync was the account I was supposed to delete |
| 09:02.46 | IndridCold_ | "sync" was the one I wasn't |
| 09:03.14 | Guerin | oh |
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| 09:04.14 | Guerin | IndridCold_: sync:x:4:65534:sync:/bin:/bin/sync is what i have |
| 09:04.30 | Guerin | i see no compelling reason why yours would be different; add it to /etc/passwd |
| 09:04.34 | IndridCold_ | okay |
| 09:04.38 | Guerin | and trust that I haven't trojanned it |
| 09:04.44 | IndridCold_ | lol |
| 09:04.48 | Guerin | <muhahaha> |
| 09:05.51 | Guerin | !find pthread.h |
| 09:06.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pthread.h' (6 of 27): (/usr/include/pthread.h) in libdevel/libc6-dev ;; (/usr/share/cscc/include/pthread.h) in devel/pnetc ;; (/usr/include/diet/pthread.h) in libdevel/dietlibc-dev ;; (/usr/include/lsb2/pthread.h) in devel/lsb-build-base2 ;; (/usr/include/lsb3/pthread.h) in devel/lsb-build-base3 ;; (/usr/m68hc11/include/pthread.h) in devel/newlib-m68hc1x. |
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| 09:06.21 | Guerin | mjrosenb: how did you possibly manage to not find that file? |
| 09:06.35 | Guerin | !b-e mjrosenb |
| 09:06.35 | dpkg | mjrosenb: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 09:08.16 | Guerin | argh, i'm so jealous |
| 09:08.27 | Guerin | my mate Ossie is in Nepal, and might have a job in Beijing |
| 09:08.36 | mjrosenb | Guerin: i thought that dpkg only searches through packages that are installed |
| 09:08.47 | cydork | IndridCold_: btw debian has backups of passwd, shadow and group file in /var/backups/ |
| 09:08.50 | Guerin | !search |
| 09:08.50 | dpkg | well, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 09:09.09 | IndridCold_ | cool, okay |
| 09:09.09 | Guerin | mjrosenb: how did that prevent you from using any of the OTHER methods in that factoid? |
| 09:09.22 | Guerin | cydork: ah, i didn't know that |
| 09:09.40 | mjrosenb | Guerin: i have the libraries installed, not the headers. I need to get the headers |
| 09:09.46 | cydork | Guerin: its a lifesaver ;) |
| 09:09.56 | Guerin | mjrosenb: follow the goddan motherfucking instructions |
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| 09:10.35 | aspWork | can somebody recommend a tool to remotely control and configure bind? |
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| 09:10.55 | Guerin | aspWork: ssh |
| 09:11.26 | cydork | aspWork: and your fav. editor :P |
| 09:11.54 | aspWork | Guerin: yeah =) i was thinking more in the line of a GUI tool |
| 09:12.06 | cydork | aspWork: they all suck! |
| 09:12.34 | aspWork | ok, its that bad, guess its back to doing it by hand then |
| 09:12.49 | Guerin | aspWork: you could see if gandi.net, or granitecanyon or anyone else release their web UI as free software |
| 09:13.00 | Guerin | gandi seems most likely |
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| 09:13.40 | aspWork | thats the second thing, i dont want to run a webserver on the dns, therefor i want a native tool and not a web interface |
| 09:14.33 | Guerin | haha |
| 09:14.36 | Guerin | wtf |
| 09:14.50 | Guerin | you don't want to run a webserver, but you want to run X for a gui? |
| 09:15.03 | cydork | heh |
| 09:15.04 | aspWork | no, i want to run x on my local machine |
| 09:15.19 | aspWork | and then connect to the dns servers via the magic tool =) |
| 09:15.22 | Guerin | grr, can someone remind me how to start a second X server on :0.1 or whatever it is? |
| 09:16.30 | Guerin | aspWork: well, good luck |
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| 09:17.43 | Guerin | ah, that's better |
| 09:17.47 | Guerin | no more kde |
| 09:18.28 | aspWork | Guerin: thnx, guess i am gonna have to write a tool myself then, just strange that there isn't one, you cant tell me that ppl managing dns servers add/remove domains etc by hand, its seems to much work (and the chance for errors seems a bit to big), but then again, i might be wrong |
| 09:19.14 | Guerin | aspWork: i would guess it's all done by web interfaces, in those rare cases where it changes frequently enough to be a problem |
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| 09:19.52 | aspWork | ok |
| 09:19.53 | aspWork | thnx |
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| 09:24.33 | Penix | I hate hard drives |
| 09:24.52 | Penix | especially brand new ones that like to die and almost take all your data with them |
| 09:25.07 | Penix | lucky for my book smarts! |
| 09:26.19 | IndridCold_ | with getopts how do I actually reference the parameter passed in with an argument? i.e. myscript -p test when I want to reference to test |
| 09:26.48 | Guerin | ssasasasas |
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| 09:29.04 | Guerin | GNUdog: we don't care |
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| 09:29.37 | IndridCold_ | lol |
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| 09:31.11 | wfq | I've got these directions in an server's install but I can't understand them. Do you know what those mean? for foo in *.dist; do cp $foo `basename $foo .dist`; done |
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| 09:31.41 | Guerin | wfq: that is a for loop, and if you don't know what it does I strongly advise against doing it |
| 09:32.03 | GreaseMonkey | gonna go, gnight |
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| 09:34.02 | wfq | Guerin, I know it is loop that says you have to change every file which extension is *.dist to *. but I am not pretty sure |
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| 09:34.13 | wfq | foo means each folder you find? |
| 09:34.18 | Guerin | !wayttd wfq |
| 09:34.24 | Guerin | gr |
| 09:34.29 | Guerin | what are you trying to do? |
| 09:34.54 | wfq | in an server's directions I can read that step |
| 09:34.56 | wfq | to do |
| 09:35.04 | Guerin | right |
| 09:35.07 | Guerin | i get that |
| 09:35.17 | Guerin | but why are you doing it? |
| 09:35.52 | wfq | Guering because of I need to install this server and it is a stept to install it |
| 09:35.56 | wfq | step |
| 09:36.37 | cydork | wfq: basename will strip .dist and print the remaining. |
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| 09:36.49 | Guerin | ok |
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| 09:36.50 | Guerin | fine |
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| 09:37.05 | Guerin | go ahead and nuke your system |
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| 09:37.35 | dromer | ok, so I installed Etch to a hd using qemu and tried to boot it in my 75mhz 16mb laptop, got Error 17 on grub |
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| 09:37.41 | dromer | anybody know what this is? |
| 09:37.47 | Guerin | dromer: google does |
| 09:37.55 | dromer | Guerin: not really :/ |
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| 09:38.01 | Guerin | i think dpkg does too, but he's awol |
| 09:38.07 | dromer | Guerin: can't get anyone with the same issue I have |
| 09:38.18 | Guerin | dromer: aptitude install grub-doc |
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| 09:38.35 | dromer | hehe |
| 09:38.37 | wfq | Guerin, if you don't want to help me, I can understand it perfectly, I told you a few days ago. Please don't response me any more never ever. Ok, Did you understand? |
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| 09:38.56 | Guerin | wfq: nope. You're in a public channel, you get what you ask for |
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| 09:39.17 | wfq | Guerin, you are not doing that |
| 09:39.40 | Guerin | wfq: the reason for my question is that you waste hours of volunteer time in here with your stupid PEBCAK errors trying to do things you're afr too stupid to actually succeed at |
| 09:39.48 | Old_Fogie | Hello all, I'm having a problem with my fresh loaded clamav. I have the same issue on a different pc too. I'm new to debian so I've never actually used clamav on debian before. My issue at present is, I cannot use clamscan. I have added my user account to the clamav group. I try "clamscan -r -v /home/Old_Fogie" and nothing happens. Any ideas? |
| 09:40.00 | Guerin | wfq: i'm trying to figure out easy ways for you to do things to save all of us time and grief |
| 09:40.02 | wfq | you are trying all the time criticizing |
| 09:40.05 | Guerin | yes |
| 09:40.12 | Guerin | because you're a fucking idiot |
| 09:40.36 | Guerin | Old_Fogie: nothing happens? Nothing, at all? |
| 09:40.40 | Old_Fogie | Note: I have logged in/out to let the new user/group priveledges work. And my logs show that clamdaeom and freshclam are woking |
| 09:40.42 | wfq | Guering, this is a public channel. Be careful. Don't be rude |
| 09:40.48 | Old_Fogie | Guerin, yes nothing happens at all. |
| 09:40.57 | Guerin | wfq: I'll stop being rude when you stop being stupid. |
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| 09:41.13 | wfq | Guering, go to School again to get educated |
| 09:41.18 | Guerin | Old_Fogie: just hanging on the console? Any logs? |
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| 09:41.29 | gfox14_ | Old_Fogie: rather use clamc, clamscan in recent releases is very slow to start (it loads the 40Mb db in meme) |
| 09:41.34 | Old_Fogie | I've even tried use the "clamscan -r -v --debug" too and nothing gets printed out in my terminal. |
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| 09:42.01 | Guerin | wfq: I'm *at* school getting a gradute education, if that qualifies. Perhaps you shoudl consider the same, since you're in the business of attempting things you have no fucking clue about. |
| 09:42.15 | wfq | I am stupid but I am polite, but you are besides stupid rude. |
| 09:42.33 | wfq | Don't play being God |
| 09:42.43 | Ronin | may i suggest you both use the /ignore option |
| 09:42.43 | Guerin | well, if you'd prefer to be stupid and polite, I hope that works out for you |
| 09:42.47 | Old_Fogie | which, find and whereis for "clamc" shows nothing. |
| 09:42.54 | Old_Fogie | I have run "updatedb" |
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| 09:42.59 | wfq | forget about me |
| 09:43.00 | Guerin | Old_Fogie: probably another package |
| 09:43.11 | Guerin | wfq: if you woudl fuck off, I would gladly do so. |
| 09:43.21 | Old_Fogie | hmm, ok lemme check Guerin |
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| 09:43.58 | Guerin | dromer: `Grub error 17 : Cannot mount selected partition This error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the filesystem type cannot be recognized' |
| 09:44.17 | Guerin | dromer: on the first page of a google on grub "error 17" |
| 09:44.27 | siimo | hi is it possible to directly install sid via netinstall? the netinstall cd im trying always installs etch first and you have to dist upgrade :S my network card is only supported in sid kernel |
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| 09:44.41 | Guerin | siimo: read the install guide |
| 09:44.59 | cydork | !iyhtays siimo |
| 09:45.05 | Guerin | siimo: after the install but before rebooting you can install a sid kernel |
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| 09:45.09 | cydork | !iyhtays |
| 09:45.24 | Guerin | cydork: dpkg is in limbo |
| 09:45.26 | cydork | simonrvn: if you have to ask you shouldn't |
| 09:45.29 | Guerin | with wfq's brain |
| 09:45.39 | cydork | !test |
| 09:45.52 | mosno | !help |
| 09:45.53 | Jerom587 | Here is the help you requested: |
| 09:45.53 | Jerom587 | !seen <nick> will display the last seen info for <nick> |
| 09:45.53 | Jerom587 | !quote add <nick> "<quote>" will add <quote> for <nick>. If a quote exists, this will overwrite the current quote. |
| 09:45.53 | Jerom587 | !quote <nick> will return quote for <nick> if one exists |
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| 09:45.53 | Stevie | Quote #2008 added by Stevie-O on #TwilightTavern at 7/26/03 7:34pm: <+TheTemptress23> nope i fishing is fun <+TheTemptress23> it all depends on if they are biting <@Diamondgeezer> i dont care if there offering blow jobs, still not sitting in the cold all night |
| 09:46.00 | Guerin | fuckinghell |
| 09:46.05 | cydork | wtf? |
| 09:46.14 | siimo | ok thx Guerin |
| 09:46.16 | Ronin | who the hell is that bot? |
| 09:46.20 | mosno | yea that was weird |
| 09:47.15 | Old_Fogie | gfox14_, Guerin : I have "clamav" "clamav-base" "clamav-daemon" "clamav-docs" "clamav-freshclam" "clamav-testfiles" and "clamcour" & "libclamav2" installed. Nothing is here for a "clamc" as gfox14_ reffered too. |
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| 09:47.37 | mosno | i think i discovered dpkg's secret identity :) |
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| 09:47.56 | Guerin | Old_Fogie: i gave up on clamav in 2005 some time, so you're probably better off asking someone else. |
| 09:48.05 | dromer | Guerin: yeah I got it from the docs .. should I redo the grub-install? though I can only chroot into the disk |
| 09:48.11 | mosno | Guerin: what did you use instead if anything? |
| 09:48.14 | Guerin | Old_Fogie: /msg dpkg search might help |
| 09:48.21 | mosno | Guerin: we use TrendMicro |
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| 09:48.24 | wfq | Guerin: stop behaving as a monkey. You have already done merits enough today |
| 09:48.26 | Old_Fogie | Guerin, ok thanks for your help. I add it to my list of shit to fix on debian4 then :D |
| 09:48.31 | wfq | forget about me. |
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| 09:48.40 | wfq | don't mention me any more |
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| 09:48.43 | Ind[y] | I have created a gpg key. How do I view its id? |
| 09:48.49 | Guerin | mosno: i have no need for antivirus, since I have no windows machines and get virtually no spam due to greylisting |
| 09:48.58 | Guerin | Ind[y]: man gpg |
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| 09:49.21 | Guerin | mosno: you use trendmicro? You have my condolences. |
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| 09:50.11 | Old_Fogie | Guerin, yeah I'll just build my own like I did in slackware then. |
| 09:50.39 | Guerin | Old_Fogie: fair. But don't use the same method - use checkinstall to make a proper debian package |
| 09:50.46 | Guerin | otherwise Things Might Hurt |
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| 09:51.32 | Old_Fogie | Guerin, yes I found the "patch" that debian uses to tweak the sourcefiles in debian "testing" and made my own checkinstall, cuz I dont agree iwth the whole backport theory. |
| 09:51.44 | Guerin | huh, why not? |
| 09:51.59 | Super_Cat_Frog | cafuego: im on the installer cd now, got as far as partitioning, but mdadm -D /dev/md0 is telling me that there is no such device (/dev/md0) |
| 09:52.07 | Guerin | i backported gcjwebplugin this evening, it works fine |
| 09:52.13 | Ind[y] | Guerin: I can't find that. I would appreciate it if you could tell me. |
| 09:52.20 | Guerin | well, as fine as a crappy half-arsed java implementation can work |
| 09:52.35 | Guerin | Ind[y]: i don't know, that's why I told you where I'd look |
| 09:54.06 | Guerin | hm, would someone with sun java web plugin care to test something for me? |
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| 09:54.26 | Old_Fogie | Guerin, well I'm not 100% bought into the idea of backports I should say. My disagreement is from the aspect of how many lines of code does a packager need to do before he is entirely re-writting an application. Looking at celestia for example is a 65000 line patch to make it work due to porting...ouch. |
| 09:54.57 | wols_ | I doubt the maintainer wrote all those 65k lines |
| 09:55.12 | Guerin | Old_Fogie: fair enough. I don't bother backporting anything which won't just build cleanly with minimal tweaking |
| 09:55.48 | Guerin | are you talking about backporting features into old versions, though? |
| 09:55.52 | Old_Fogie | Guerin, same here. If it's not going to work on the "system" as is by ./configure with a minor tweak here or there, it doesnt belong on the box. |
| 09:55.59 | Guerin | i'm just talking about a new source package and bulding it |
| 09:56.04 | Guerin | h, yeah |
| 09:56.07 | Guerin | we agree |
| 09:56.07 | lilalinux | Why aren't there misdn packages in stable but in oldstable and unstable? |
| 09:56.26 | Guerin | lilalinux: the BTS will possibly know' |
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| 09:56.34 | lilalinux | what's that? |
| 09:56.46 | Guerin | lilalinux: bugs.debian.org/packagenae |
| 09:56.50 | lilalinux | IC |
| 09:56.51 | lilalinux | thx |
| 09:57.04 | Guerin | omgurwlcumlolz |
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| 09:58.18 | liable | heh |
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| 09:58.39 | liable | does ubuntu have kernel headers in the repo? |
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| 09:58.42 | liable | oops |
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| 10:00.08 | Guerin | liable: traitor! |
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| 10:00.15 | liable | heh |
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| 10:00.27 | liable | Guerin: no, helping a ubuntu person in #madwifi |
| 10:00.53 | Guerin | liable: so you claim |
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| 10:01.18 | liable | Guerin: i tried ubuntu once, it lasted 4 days |
| 10:01.28 | Guerin | liable: i tried the livecd |
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| 10:01.58 | liable | the live cd is quite handy actually |
| 10:02.24 | Guerin | i find the opposite |
| 10:02.25 | blackest | hi how do i make install but not to my kernels folders? |
| 10:02.49 | Guerin | fucker requires interaction at boot time, has no easy console-only mode and takes *months* to boot |
| 10:03.01 | Guerin | blackest: try to speak english |
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| 10:05.34 | Hyperi | What is the right package to get java installed? |
| 10:05.45 | Guerin | ~java |
| 10:05.58 | apt | well, java is at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com, or see the "mpkg-j2se" ... |
| 10:05.58 | Guerin | stupid apt |
| 10:05.58 | Guerin | badgers: java |
| 10:05.59 | badgers | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. ask me about <non-free> |
| 10:06.00 | Guerin | there we go |
| 10:06.02 | liable | its slow |
| 10:06.07 | Guerin | wow, it is slow |
| 10:06.09 | liable | always is |
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| 10:07.06 | hark | !hi |
| 10:07.06 | dpkg | hello, hark |
| 10:07.07 | ab3l | hi i've a problem : operations scheduled with kcron crontab gnome-schedule aren't executed! |
| 10:07.13 | blackest | ok i need a few custom bits for a dvb-t card to make it work so i have a folder v4l-dvb and if i make and then make install i have a working driver, but i have another card that uses ivtv driver and that make install for the other card will break ivtv ... thing is its creating a whole mess of drivers and i only need a couple of .ko files i think |
| 10:07.45 | blackest | any closer to english ? |
| 10:08.00 | Guerin | blackest: what you should do is use make-kpkg to build debian packages for the module |
| 10:08.07 | Guerin | blackest: yes, cheers :) |
| 10:08.25 | Guerin | blackest: you'll have to build one per kernel you want to use, but it would work out fine |
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| 10:08.37 | Guerin | blackest: the procedure is documented in TFM |
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| 10:09.01 | blackest | ok thank you |
| 10:09.08 | Guerin | welcome |
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| 10:13.03 | ab3l | hi i've a problem : operations scheduled with kcron crontab gnome-schedule aren't executed! |
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| 10:14.31 | Enverex | Just a note incase anyone may find it useful. Network access doesn't work in Wine on Sid anymore. |
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| 10:18.05 | erik__ | on windows xp I had forte's agent to read newsgroups. What would be a good debian etch choice ? minimum re-getting-acquainted-to effort desirable.... |
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| 10:25.07 | indraveni | hi, I need help in configuring virtual host for mailman in debian |
| 10:25.20 | indraveni | I couldn't fine any manual for this |
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| 10:26.21 | ab3l | hi i've a problem : operations scheduled with kcron crontab gnome-schedule aren't executed! |
| 10:26.24 | wols_ | indraveni: mail virtual host or web virtual host? |
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| 10:27.14 | indraveni | wols_, web virtual host |
| 10:27.36 | humbolto | is there something like /etc/hosts for the individual user? like a .hosts file in the home dir? |
| 10:28.31 | Phil4 | good question humbolto |
| 10:28.37 | Phil4 | something I'd like to know too |
| 10:29.43 | Enverex | Is anyone aware of any base networking package breakages lately? |
| 10:29.50 | indraveni | wols_, ? |
| 10:30.34 | dromer | hmm, trying a debootstrap again, this time using Etch, but I get this again: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. and apt-get install locales doesn't seem to resolve it |
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| 10:33.00 | indraveni | in debian, what is the documentroot for mailman default installation |
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| 10:37.09 | [nige] | hii all, can anyone give me some help with a dns problem? |
| 10:37.46 | cast | !anyone |
| 10:37.47 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 10:38.18 | [nige] | alright, when i ping via a netbios name its much slower than pinging by the ip address |
| 10:38.42 | [nige] | also when i do a lookup and tell dns to use a forwarder it makes much long before it resolves and times out |
| 10:38.49 | [nige] | and should be or... |
| 10:39.34 | [nige] | its almost a 20 second delay |
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| 10:45.37 | cast | hmm, what should the update-rc.d command for {g,k,x}dm look like? |
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| 10:47.47 | cafuego | update-rc.d {g,k,x}dm defaults |
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| 10:53.02 | sasukeee | when I try and boot linux-image-2.6.22-rc5-k7, it hangs when it loads the bttv2 driver, howerver when I boot linux-image-2.6.22-rc5-486 it doesn't hang |
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| 10:53.36 | sasukeee | why would the k7 hang and the 486 be fine? I do have a AMD sempron cpu |
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| 10:54.35 | repyskichboarder | hi |
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| 10:54.43 | Crypticfortune | anyone know of a handy package to automatically firewall ips detected doing fishy things (like password cracking attempts, etc)? |
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| 10:56.01 | netcrash | what's the channel for debian amd64 ? |
| 10:56.28 | liable | Crypticfortune: take a look at fail2ban or google 'iptables recent module' |
| 10:56.38 | liable | netcrash: #debian-amd64 |
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| 10:56.54 | b_jonas | hi, |
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| 10:57.06 | b_jonas | I need tips for what windowmanager to try out |
| 10:57.11 | b_jonas | I'm now using icewm |
| 10:57.34 | b_jonas | I liked it because it's quite usable with the deafult settings or very little config |
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| 10:57.47 | karmatronic | b_jonas: xfce |
| 10:57.51 | b_jonas | (for a poor soul like me who got used to windows' interface) |
| 10:58.11 | b_jonas | but after lots of configuration I feel I've reached a dead-end |
| 10:58.28 | b_jonas | I feel that icewm isn't customizable enough |
| 10:58.28 | Crypticfortune | liable: thanks! |
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| 10:58.39 | liable | yw |
| 10:58.50 | pmjdebruijn | can anybody point me to a good tutorial on how to included qlogic firmware (/lib/firmware) onto my initrd? |
| 10:58.57 | b_jonas | so I'd like a windowmanager that has sane defaults and the options people like me want commonly are easy to set up |
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| 10:59.04 | pmjdebruijn | if possible using make-kpkg |
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| 10:59.13 | netcrash | liable: thanks |
| 10:59.18 | b_jonas | but where I can also fine-tune every aspect of the (look and) feel |
| 10:59.20 | liable | np |
| 10:59.40 | b_jonas | like what happens when I drag which part of the window with what modifier and what mouse button |
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| 11:01.02 | karmatronic | !xfce b_jonas |
| 11:01.28 | b_jonas | oh, and currently I have a taskbar that has buttons for all the windows on the desktop and buttons to change the workspace, but no titlebars, and I like that config |
| 11:01.55 | b_jonas | but I'd like to be able to _set the damn height_ of the taskbar |
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| 11:02.11 | b_jonas | karmatronic: did that do something? |
| 11:02.21 | b_jonas | I haven't got any message from dpkg or something |
| 11:02.21 | karmatronic | !xfce4 |
| 11:02.21 | dpkg | it has been said that xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . Sarge : apt-get install xfce4 Woody : apt-get install xfce |
| 11:02.31 | b_jonas | hmm |
| 11:02.37 | delliott | How can I enable unstable for a single package? |
| 11:02.37 | b_jonas | is that the one xubuntu uses? |
| 11:02.45 | karmatronic | b_jonas: yes |
| 11:02.47 | b_jonas | eww |
| 11:02.55 | b_jonas | I don't want a desktop environment |
| 11:02.59 | b_jonas | just a windowmanager |
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| 11:03.22 | b_jonas | I did try out gnome and even kde a bit |
| 11:03.22 | Enverex | XFCE is pretty much only a WM |
| 11:03.29 | b_jonas | and there's a reason why I don't use them |
| 11:03.42 | tralala | delliott, by using pinning or if this package depends on other unstable packages - by compilining from source |
| 11:03.49 | karmatronic | b_jonas: icewm |
| 11:04.15 | b_jonas | I have plenty of space and memory on my machine, so I can use gnome and kde programs with any wm, I don't need another "lightweight desktop env" |
| 11:04.23 | b_jonas | karmatronic: that's what I'm using now |
| 11:04.32 | b_jonas | and the problem is that you can't fine-tune it |
| 11:04.44 | Coweater | fvwm can do anything they say |
| 11:04.50 | tralala | delliott, /msg dpkg pinning |
| 11:04.56 | tralala | delliott, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 11:05.07 | karmatronic | b_jonas: blackbox |
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| 11:05.12 | delliott | tralala, thanks! |
| 11:05.30 | b_jonas | ok, let me write up the list somewhere... |
| 11:05.30 | tralala | Coweater, if you're willing to become a window manager programmer, it can |
| 11:05.34 | tralala | delliott, you're welcome |
| 11:06.01 | b_jonas | xfce4 http://www.xfce.org/ |
| 11:06.05 | b_jonas | !blackbox |
| 11:06.05 | dpkg | blackbox is probably a Window manager for X or tormenting mhall by hiding the unminimize button. or at blackbox.alug.org or unique in that its icons are completely invisible, and must be accessed via the middle-click menu, or check the bbtools factoid for a listing of some of the nifty tools to use... |
| 11:06.08 | cast | cafuego: is defaults correct for this though? |
| 11:06.10 | b_jonas | !cont |
| 11:06.20 | Coweater | not programming per say. but yes, if you want infinite options things do get rather complicated |
| 11:06.43 | b_jonas | yes, I might have to try fvwm2 |
| 11:06.50 | b_jonas | that's definitely on my list to look at |
| 11:07.12 | anapivirtua_ | The world is a vampire o// |
| 11:07.12 | tralala | I mean to heavily configure fvwm is just another kind of programming |
| 11:07.13 | mancubus | how make apt-get dist-upgrade exclude some packages? |
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| 11:07.41 | Coweater | usually best to start with a premade theme and modify it with fvwm |
| 11:07.58 | b_jonas | and fvwm has nice support and an irc channel too |
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| 11:08.53 | cast | cafuego: in particular defaults starts things when the runlevel is 1 me thinks |
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| 11:09.53 | b_jonas | so blackbox -- where do I get info about that? |
| 11:10.29 | cast | !tell mancubus about aptitude |
| 11:10.38 | cast | [unrelated, but important] |
| 11:10.40 | b_jonas | ah, the topic for #blackbox tells, good |
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| 11:10.54 | tralala | b_jonas, go evilwm if you're really limited on resources or if you really hate features |
| 11:11.08 | b_jonas | no, I'm neither |
| 11:12.02 | b_jonas | icewm was fine till I was more limited on resources but now computers are so fast |
| 11:12.31 | mancubus | thnx cast |
| 11:12.51 | tralala | my thinkpad 600e is still slow even now |
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| 11:13.19 | b_jonas | ok, let me phrase it like this |
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| 11:13.31 | b_jonas | I work most on my home machine, and I'd like a good windowmanager for there |
| 11:13.39 | b_jonas | for slower machines, I can keep using icewm |
| 11:13.40 | nsx | blackbox :) |
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| 11:14.21 | tralala | I use kde at home |
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| 11:14.37 | cast | e17 on mums computer, e16 on mine :) |
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| 11:14.57 | nsx | heck, my laptop is a turion 64 ml-34 and I still use blackbox |
| 11:14.59 | b_jonas | cast: is that enlightenment? |
| 11:15.06 | nsx | less cpu use = less battery use |
| 11:15.15 | Noborusan | can anyone tell me is this an australia debian mirror http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian/ |
| 11:15.21 | Noborusan | if this* |
| 11:15.22 | cast | b_jonas: bingo |
| 11:15.40 | tralala | Noborusan, debian.org has a the mirror list |
| 11:15.44 | nsx | blackbox is probably the most cpu efficient wm in the universe, and yet it still offers a wonderful, sleek interface |
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| 11:15.46 | nsx | it's genius |
| 11:16.00 | Noborusan | tralala, hmm,im wondering how come that site is too fast |
| 11:16.02 | cast | Noborusan: either look on debian.org to see if it is an official mirror or, if you just want to know if its a mirror, just navigate there in your browser |
| 11:16.08 | Noborusan | i get 2.2MB/s downloading from that site |
| 11:16.20 | Old_Fogie | hmm, I made my own clamav package cuz I couldnt get debian's to work. synaptic now reports it broke, but my package works fine, how to tell synaptic to ignore that package and let me do further stuff someday down the road? |
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| 11:16.41 | b_jonas | I don't mean to be offensive, but besides just a list of windowmanagers, could you either tell me why each windowmanager is good, esp in relation to my rant above about what I need |
| 11:16.43 | nsx | Old_Fogie: hold it. do this: dpkg --get-selections > output.txt |
| 11:16.44 | cast | Maliuta: id.au, what is that? |
| 11:16.47 | tralala | Noborusan, they have a good connection I guess. Being a debian mirror doesn't mean you need to be slow. |
| 11:16.56 | tralala | !start a wm war |
| 11:16.56 | dpkg | ratpoison bites! |
| 11:16.59 | nsx | err wait, with synaptic, isn't there an easy way to hold packages? |
| 11:17.05 | Noborusan | okay,let me look for their debian apt tree |
| 11:17.06 | b_jonas | am reading http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/AboutBlackbox now, and it does sound good |
| 11:17.21 | BotaniCar | hi, any way to send bulk mails with exim ? maybe with "exim -Mar <message id> <address> <address> ..." ? |
| 11:17.32 | nsx | hey, there's no "war" here, I can quantitatively state blackbox's efficiency |
| 11:17.44 | nsx | I can run it for a week, and it have still used 1 or 2 seconds of CPU time |
| 11:18.03 | Old_Fogie | hm nsx there is a force version in synaptic |
| 11:18.30 | b_jonas | tralala: I like those kinds of wars actually, but I'd also like to get real advice |
| 11:18.42 | nsx | Old_Fogie: assuming aptitude doesn't, what you do is dpkg --get-selections > selections.txt, edit that, then dpkg --set-selections < selections.txt |
| 11:18.44 | Old_Fogie | problem is I'm using the "same version" as what's in debian security, and it wants me to use the debian security one and not mine. |
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| 11:18.58 | nsx | and change clamav's status from install to hold |
| 11:19.12 | tralala | b_jonas, I think you've got plenty already |
| 11:19.22 | Old_Fogie | nse, ok so for now on I must use the cli "aptitude" and no longer synaptic then? |
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| 11:19.42 | nsx | Old_Fogie: I never said that |
| 11:19.46 | nsx | you can use whatever you like |
| 11:19.53 | b_jonas | yep, I'd better read the webpages about fvwm2, blackbox, and xfce |
| 11:19.54 | Old_Fogie | nse, I'm new so not sure if |
| 11:19.59 | nsx | "hold" works for the entire apt system |
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| 11:20.07 | Old_Fogie | editing aptitude edits' the synaptic |
| 11:20.10 | Old_Fogie | ok |
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| 11:20.47 | Maliuta | cast: .au is australia ... figure the rest out yourself |
| 11:20.50 | dromer | can someone help me with this grub issue I'm getting atm: Error 15 but I'm not sure what file is not found by grub and why it won't load |
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| 11:21.11 | Old_Fogie | As an alternate nsx, could I when I untar my clamav before I do ./configure... rename the source to be something like 0.93.1.fogie and then do it that way, as checkinstall will put that name in the package? is that maybe better, I could rebuild it . |
| 11:21.55 | nsx | if it uses pathnames and binary names that are different from clamav's, sure, but that's a really sloppy way |
| 11:22.01 | cast | Maliuta: am well aware, i'm from australia too. had never seen .id.au before, but now i see it - 'Individuals' |
| 11:22.03 | nsx | all you need to do is hold the package |
| 11:22.16 | Old_Fogie | ok |
| 11:22.26 | Maliuta | cast: then you haven't been around for the last 7 years |
| 11:22.39 | Maliuta | actually .id.au goes back further |
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| 11:22.51 | nsx | b_jonas: blackbox is definitely the most cpu efficient, but you might need to play around with the configuration to get what you want, and you also might need complimentary programs like bbpager, bbrun, and bbkeys to provide the functionality you expect |
| 11:22.57 | Maliuta | but when ausregistry took over in 2000 it became more readily available |
| 11:23.34 | nsx | but if you're willing to invest the time in configuring everything, including the complimentary programs, blackbox might be a better option than, say, fluxbox for you |
| 11:23.49 | Maerz | i search an ftp server that is independet from the local existing user. one that manages its own user data base |
| 11:24.07 | Maliuta | cast: look into the history of things like dropbear.id.au |
| 11:24.15 | nsx | I'm trying to be unbiased and objective here, but it's impossible with my love of blackbox :p |
| 11:24.43 | b_jonas | well, I definitely want keyboard and mouse shortcuts |
| 11:24.51 | b_jonas | and a taskbar |
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| 11:25.13 | Maerz | good morning abrotman |
| 11:25.17 | b_jonas | and workspaces or some similar way to hide and show gourps of windows together |
| 11:25.21 | abrotman | hi |
| 11:25.21 | cast | update-rc.d xdm 99 01 to answer my question |
| 11:25.22 | nsx | mouse shortcuts are configured through .blackboxrc, keyboard shortcuts are defined in .bbkeysrc, and are provided by bbkeys |
| 11:25.26 | nsx | taskbar? blackbox has no taskbar |
| 11:25.29 | nsx | it works differently |
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| 11:25.44 | nsx | if you minimize programs, they are in the "icons" list |
| 11:25.49 | b_jonas | but I need a taskbar |
| 11:25.51 | nsx | "Iconified Windows" |
| 11:25.58 | nsx | why do you need a taskbar? |
| 11:25.58 | abrotman | nsx: it can have a taskbar |
| 11:26.05 | abrotman | of sorts anyways |
| 11:26.11 | nsx | abrotman: it can be provided that functionality by external programs, sure |
| 11:26.11 | b_jonas | nsx: because I don't show title bars |
| 11:26.22 | abrotman | nsx: uhm .. last time i used it .. it was defaulted on |
| 11:26.26 | b_jonas | the taskbar is where I can read the titles of windows, change windows easily |
| 11:26.30 | nsx | abrotman: that's not a taskbar |
| 11:26.31 | b_jonas | show and minimize windows |
| 11:26.38 | abrotman | nsx: it's as close as he's going to get :) |
| 11:26.47 | nsx | .... |
| 11:26.55 | abrotman | nsx: you can cycle windows .. it shows 'tasks' |
| 11:27.23 | nsx | I don't see why you NEED a taskbar, b_jonas. you really should be more open minded to other user interfaces. but if you NEED one, then blackbox isn't the wm for you. neither is fluxbox. |
| 11:27.25 | abrotman | not in the windows sense of a taskbar |
| 11:27.32 | abrotman | b_jonas: what are you looking for ? |
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| 11:27.56 | nsx | abrotman: it's still not a taskbar, and it's still not what he wants. it also does not cycle through minimized windows. |
| 11:28.01 | tralala | I find alt+tab the best taskbar |
| 11:28.07 | nsx | that only cycles through un-minimized windows |
| 11:28.09 | Old_Fogie | b_jonas, if lightweight it your goal with a taskbar I find fluxbox very nice. |
| 11:28.13 | b_jonas | nsx: let me explain |
| 11:28.22 | nsx | yeah, I use alt + tab too |
| 11:28.25 | abrotman | nsx: who minimizes windows? |
| 11:28.27 | abrotman | :) |
| 11:28.36 | nsx | I do |
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| 11:28.38 | abrotman | weirdo! |
| 11:28.41 | nse | Old_Fogie: you must be taking me by someone else. check the nickname. I don't know what is your problem but both programs share the same objectives through different ways. I personally use a script made by myself that uses apt-get to update and upgrade things before cleanign everything |
| 11:28.46 | b_jonas | in my configuration, I have two xterm windows below each other |
| 11:28.48 | nsx | what do you do? create 500 workspaces? |
| 11:28.48 | tralala | abrotman, fair point - that's why we have virtual desktops |
| 11:28.55 | b_jonas | each of them have 25 lines, because 24 lines suck |
| 11:29.09 | b_jonas | that means 2*25*20 pixels of useful height |
| 11:29.24 | abrotman | nsx: i leave them up .. it doens't bother me to have a few dozen xterms, etc on a single workspace |
| 11:29.25 | b_jonas | which is 1000 px out of my 1024 px of resolution |
| 11:29.28 | nsx | it only makes sense to me to get certain windows out of the way to keep my workspaces tidy |
| 11:29.31 | Old_Fogie | nse, sorry I did tab click wrong for name that is "my problem" :D |
| 11:29.32 | b_jonas | that means 24 px spare |
| 11:29.42 | Old_Fogie | nse, I had meant for "nsx" |
| 11:30.10 | tralala | abrotman, a dozen of xterms? That's even less needed than minimizing. |
| 11:30.15 | nse | Old_Fogie: :) |
| 11:30.31 | b_jonas | that's now a single 20px high taskbar plus 3 px of window borders plus 1 px of spare |
| 11:30.42 | abrotman | tralala: i know .. i love screen .. it just never pops up first in my mind :) |
| 11:30.43 | b_jonas | so I don't need title bars |
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| 11:30.52 | nsx | Old_Fogie: what is tab click? |
| 11:31.00 | b_jonas | I need the taskbar so I can change to any window with the mouse, not only with the keyboard |
| 11:31.13 | tralala | abrotman, :) |
| 11:31.15 | b_jonas | and also any workspace |
| 11:31.24 | Old_Fogie | eh I mean tab for name complete...I'm having a moment, I cant type or spell username's here :D lol |
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| 11:31.29 | nsx | oh |
| 11:31.46 | b_jonas | abrotman: I tried to explain above when I came in what I want, it might not be clean |
| 11:32.00 | nsx | I use loads of xterms too, but I still have minimized apps |
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| 11:32.24 | Old_Fogie | Should I report the fact that the packages for clamav do not allow a user to run clamscan by default installation throught the package management on a clean box? But building my own does? |
| 11:32.25 | b_jonas | and while I try to be somewhat open-minded to interfaces, I am still not completely open-minded |
| 11:32.27 | b_jonas | I have habots |
| 11:32.33 | nsx | right now I don't have any iconified windows, but as an example, I'll usually keep my ssh session to my linksys wrt54gl router minimized, because I typically don't need to access it |
| 11:32.35 | b_jonas | habits |
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| 11:32.51 | nsx | b_jonas: like windows habits? then use windows |
| 11:32.59 | abrotman | b_jonas: xwinman.org .. browse through some |
| 11:32.59 | b_jonas | nsx: look |
| 11:33.08 | b_jonas | my current config has nothing to do with windows |
| 11:33.14 | b_jonas | it has no title bars, |
| 11:33.19 | b_jonas | no close and minimize button |
| 11:33.24 | Old_Fogie | This happened to me on two newly loaded boxes, and I added the user and root to the clamav group and clamscan just doesnt work with debians packages of clamav for me. |
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| 11:33.32 | b_jonas | I don't double click on the title bar to maximize |
| 11:33.41 | b_jonas | and don't double click on the control menu to close windows |
| 11:33.42 | ab3l | hi' what's the best gui-based program to send ax? |
| 11:33.49 | b_jonas | I did use them until I had a title bar |
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| 11:33.51 | b_jonas | but now I don't |
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| 11:34.14 | abrotman | Old_Fogie: what if you use the full path ? |
| 11:34.25 | Old_Fogie | hmm, I didnt try that to be honest. |
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| 11:34.40 | nsx | abrotman: imagine such a session you might need to access maybe every few days. it's a bit more convenient to just fetch it from the iconified window list than to have to restart it every time. |
| 11:34.42 | b_jonas | as for the taskbar, even though it was invented by win95 and as such I consider it evil |
| 11:34.45 | Old_Fogie | I go try it now on the other box. brb abrotman |
| 11:34.49 | b_jonas | I tried to use it and not use it |
| 11:34.50 | IndridCold_ | how do I add pre-existing users to pre-existing groups ? |
| 11:34.53 | nsx | but hey I suppose it's all a matter of user preference |
| 11:34.56 | b_jonas | and it turns out that it's useful |
| 11:35.03 | IndridCold_ | usermod <username> -G <groupname> doesn't work |
| 11:35.09 | liable | IndridCold_: man adduser |
| 11:35.11 | b_jonas | but I don't use this riddiculously high taskbar of kde either |
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| 11:35.19 | abrotman | nsx: eh? |
| 11:35.19 | b_jonas | with two rows of large icons and all |
| 11:35.26 | abrotman | nsx: oh .. the xterms |
| 11:35.59 | tralala | b_jonas, kde's taskbar is configurable |
| 11:36.01 | abrotman | b_jonas: http://xwinman.org/ has links to dozens of window managers |
| 11:36.21 | b_jonas | all I have is all I have is 18 pixels of height of taksbar |
| 11:36.27 | abrotman | b_jonas: and also .. with many window managers .. there's an option to run the apps without 'decorations' |
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| 11:36.55 | b_jonas | that's the only screen estate taken by window decorations, apart from thin borders which appear only between windows, not around the screen edge |
| 11:37.02 | b_jonas | tralala: I know |
| 11:37.06 | Old_Fogie | abrotman, OMG that works! WTH! *&()%# I built my own and all I had to do was type the path out! LOL |
| 11:37.32 | Old_Fogie | So do I file that as a bug then? |
| 11:37.35 | tralala | b_jonas, so why don't you just configure kde or gnome to your liking? |
| 11:37.37 | b_jonas | I'm just saying that as the phenomenon, not something that's wrong in kde or something |
| 11:37.49 | b_jonas | tralala: can you configure kde or gnome to that amount? |
| 11:37.55 | Old_Fogie | That a user in clamav group has to type the full path to the clamscan binary to run it and do something? |
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| 11:38.23 | tralala | b_jonas, I'm no gnome user so I only *suppose* you can configure gnome, but kde you can for sure. |
| 11:38.28 | b_jonas | like to mouse shortcuts involving title bars and window borders and modifier buttons and three mouse buttons |
| 11:38.38 | b_jonas | tralala: also, as I've said, I'd like sane defaults |
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| 11:38.47 | abrotman | Old_Fogie: you could .. as a wishlist ask that it be moved to the $PATH that all users have |
| 11:38.48 | b_jonas | not months of configuration _before_ I can use it |
| 11:39.01 | Old_Fogie | aha ok ty abrotman |
| 11:39.10 | b_jonas | and half a minute of starting time (for kde) on a fast machine is not a sane default |
| 11:39.16 | abrotman | b_jonas: there are a few minimalistic window managers that have none of that |
| 11:39.21 | tralala | b_jonas, kde has really sane defaults for keyboard and mouse shortcuts |
| 11:39.23 | b_jonas | abrotman: sure, like icewm |
| 11:39.38 | b_jonas | but you can't costumize icewm enough |
| 11:39.50 | b_jonas | tralala: but are they also configurable? |
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| 11:40.07 | abrotman | b_jonas: IIRC .. the taskbar was not a windows95 first thing |
| 11:40.11 | nsx | oh heck, why use a window manager at all |
| 11:40.15 | nsx | just xinit whatever you want |
| 11:40.27 | tralala | b_jonas, they keyboard shortcuts are - I don't use the mouse enough to know about customization |
| 11:40.34 | b_jonas | abrotman: was it not? is it, like, mac or os2? /me looks up |
| 11:40.48 | abrotman | b_jonas: what year did NeXT come out ? |
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| 11:41.10 | abrotman | it has a taskbar-ish thing |
| 11:41.18 | nsx | I wonder if they've ironed out a lot of the bugs in ratpoison yet |
| 11:41.18 | abrotman | IIRC anyways |
| 11:41.28 | abrotman | nsx: in all 20 lines of code? :) |
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| 11:41.54 | nsx | something like that |
| 11:41.56 | b_jonas | abrotman: dunno |
| 11:42.13 | b_jonas | but that just proves my point |
| 11:42.17 | b_jonas | that the taskbar is not evil |
| 11:42.23 | b_jonas | it's not a windowsism |
| 11:42.23 | nsx | last I used it, some fullscreen apps were giving me problems |
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| 11:43.34 | b_jonas | so what's this fluxbox thing, should I look at that too? |
| 11:43.38 | abrotman | b_jonas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taskbar#Other_desktop_environments |
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| 11:43.50 | abrotman | b_jonas: fluxbox is almost the same as blackbox |
| 11:43.52 | b_jonas | ah, it's blackbox-based |
| 11:44.18 | b_jonas | so basically blackbox is the windowmanager of fluxbox, basically? |
| 11:44.29 | nsx | no |
| 11:44.37 | tralala | actually the reason I use kde is because it's fairly customizable and you don't need a week of vim fiesta to have it the way you like it |
| 11:44.41 | abrotman | b_jonas: fluxbox is a fork of blackbox |
| 11:44.49 | cafuego | blackbox and fluxbox are both window managers |
| 11:44.50 | b_jonas | I see |
| 11:44.50 | abrotman | and openbox is a fork of blackbox |
| 11:44.52 | nsx | fluxbox has a few extra features, but mostly extra bloat |
| 11:45.03 | nsx | fluxbox is more meant for people who want a working solution "out of the box" |
| 11:45.06 | b_jonas | I think I'll look at fvwm first |
| 11:45.15 | nsx | and doesn't depend on as many external programs to provide features as blackbox does |
| 11:45.16 | b_jonas | it's definitely customizable |
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| 11:45.36 | b_jonas | so I just have to check if it has some theme or something that's close to my needs |
| 11:45.39 | b_jonas | where I can start from |
| 11:45.43 | nsx | if cpu efficiency is your goal, your interests are better served by blackbox than fluxbox |
| 11:45.52 | nsx | yes |
| 11:45.52 | abrotman | hehe .. easily |
| 11:45.57 | b_jonas | I don't want cpu efficiency |
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| 11:46.13 | b_jonas | I have a fast cpu |
| 11:46.15 | tralala | you can use compiz then |
| 11:46.22 | Thms | I get "Opening /proc/modules: No such file or directory" after a lsmod, is it normal ? |
| 11:46.26 | b_jonas | compiz? |
| 11:46.30 | b_jonas | !compiz |
| 11:46.30 | dpkg | i heard compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 11:46.35 | nsx | it means you have a kernel without loadable module support |
| 11:46.52 | b_jonas | oh no, I didn't say I want all kinds of 3d and all |
| 11:47.07 | b_jonas | I don't need those features that make a wm non-cpu-efficent |
| 11:47.19 | b_jonas | I'm just saying cpu efficency for its own sake is not my goal |
| 11:47.35 | b_jonas | thanks for all the tips |
| 11:47.40 | nsx | if you weren't worried about cpu efficiency, enlightenment used to be kind of nice, but I'm not so sure about the direction it's headed in |
| 11:47.55 | abrotman | FSVO nice |
| 11:47.58 | Thms | where is the kernel.config ? |
| 11:48.04 | tralala | I'd really recommend you give kontrol a run |
| 11:48.04 | abrotman | Thms: /boot/ |
| 11:48.08 | b_jonas | and I said I have a fast cpu, but I didn't say I had a fast video card |
| 11:48.21 | b_jonas | which I don't |
| 11:48.22 | abrotman | Thms: the running kernel should also have /proc/config.gz |
| 11:48.44 | Thms | okay |
| 11:48.44 | nsx | if you have .config support |
| 11:48.48 | nsx | which I never compile in :) |
| 11:48.56 | abrotman | the debian kernels do |
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| 11:49.06 | nsx | debian kernels also have loadable module support |
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| 11:49.20 | abrotman | heh |
| 11:49.27 | abrotman | darn pesky features |
| 11:49.29 | Thms | hmm I have no /proc/config. |
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| 11:49.36 | abrotman | Thms: /proc/config.gz |
| 11:49.38 | Thms | and I want to know my config, howto ? |
| 11:49.42 | abrotman | Thms: uname -r |
| 11:49.43 | Thms | yeah .gz sorry |
| 11:49.59 | Thms | yeah I know uname but I want my .config :| |
| 11:50.05 | abrotman | i want to know it! |
| 11:50.14 | Thms | 2.6.18.1-xxxx-grs-ipv4-32 |
| 11:50.22 | abrotman | ah .. try in /boot/ then |
| 11:50.34 | Thms | no .config too |
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| 11:50.48 | abrotman | it won't be .config .. it will be config-2.6.18-xajf.w4f.af.3 |
| 11:50.49 | nsx | is not having loadable module support considered a security asset or something? |
| 11:50.50 | abrotman | or whatever |
| 11:50.55 | abrotman | nsx: by some .. yes |
| 11:51.02 | nsx | I suppose it could be for two reasons |
| 11:51.03 | speeves | I got this from one of the Ubuntu bug triagers, (I took offense at the implication, though it probably wasn't meant): |
| 11:51.04 | speeves | Believe me, most co-maintainers are very active Ubuntu developers. |
| 11:51.04 | speeves | So I would really suggest you try to help on Debian side, Ubuntu take snapshot of Debian every 6 months. |
| 11:51.12 | nsx | not inserting new kernel code and not disclosing what kernel code exists |
| 11:51.13 | Thms | abrotman: have not that too :| |
| 11:51.18 | abrotman | speeves: huh ? |
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| 11:51.21 | speeves | the last two lines from me were a snip |
| 11:51.26 | speeves | from the email |
| 11:51.27 | nsx | but uh.. I don't know, that's a bit out there |
| 11:51.34 | abrotman | Thms: did you compile your own ? |
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| 11:51.46 | Thms | nope, it's a fresh installed dedicated server |
| 11:51.51 | abrotman | Thms: but not Debian |
| 11:52.00 | Thms | it is debian |
| 11:52.02 | Penix | nsx: openbsd uses that sort of approach |
| 11:52.13 | tralala | nsx, in the past it was possible to inject modules that were not part of the kernel |
| 11:52.14 | nsx | I assume a kernel that goes that far, doesn't even allow the superuser to write to any portion of memory he wishes, and has no /dev/mem or anything like that, right? |
| 11:52.14 | abrotman | Thms: that's not a debian kernel |
| 11:52.22 | Thms | yeah, but a debian distrib |
| 11:52.24 | tralala | I don't know if this has changed |
| 11:52.26 | Penix | nsx: there is support for lkm's afaik, but not really encouraged or used |
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| 11:52.30 | abrotman | Thms: that's nice .. it's not Debian |
| 11:52.44 | nsx | openbsd also performs horribly. |
| 11:52.45 | Thms | why ? |
| 11:52.46 | abrotman | Thms: ask your distro that you've installed where to get the .config .. Debian keeps them in /boot/ |
| 11:52.58 | abrotman | and has for a very long time |
| 11:52.59 | Penix | if you say so |
| 11:53.05 | abrotman | Penix: hiya .. |
| 11:53.10 | abrotman | where have you been hiding? |
| 11:53.39 | nsx | Penix, well, it's a tradeoff, like anything |
| 11:53.48 | nsx | everything, even performance, is traded off for security |
| 11:54.23 | Penix | nsx: in the case of a 'static' openbsd kernel without lkm use, you can still rebuild without the cruft you don't need |
| 11:54.38 | Penix | but, ofcourse you sort of lose the benefits of the team's/project's work |
| 11:54.54 | Penix | abrotman: around...just not in an irc mood for a while I spose |
| 11:55.13 | nsx | Penix, yeah, I know |
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| 11:55.36 | abrotman | Penix: ah ok |
| 11:55.38 | nsx | I think that goes for any of the free software operating systems, though |
| 11:55.58 | nsx | but does openbsd not have loadable kernel module support by default? |
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| 11:56.29 | Penix | nsx: I don't think so |
| 11:56.35 | nsx | I thought it did |
| 11:56.48 | Penix | maybe it does these days |
| 11:57.00 | nsx | I haven't used it in "these days" |
| 11:57.04 | nsx | I used it many years ago |
| 11:57.08 | nsx | and I could've sworn it did |
| 11:57.12 | fungo | hi, how could i enable/disable compilation options with apt-get -b source? |
| 11:57.22 | abrotman | fungo: in the rules file |
| 11:57.23 | fungo | i would like to remove xmms mikmod support, because i'll use modplug |
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| 11:57.48 | fungo | allright! D |
| 11:57.55 | tralala | fungo, you'd have to unpack the source, and edit debian/rules |
| 11:57.55 | fungo | :D |
| 11:58.04 | Penix | nsx: hmm. from what I can find, it seems it *was* enabled in the GENERIC kernel, atleast back in the 2.x days |
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| 11:58.22 | nsx | I think 3.2 is the latest I've used |
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| 11:58.39 | Penix | nsx: a lot has changed since then. you should give 4.1 a try |
| 11:58.56 | Penix | iirc 3.2 was the first release I used in a 'production' setting |
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| 11:59.14 | nsx | mmm I doubt it does as much as linux can with firewalling and traffic shaping :) |
| 11:59.25 | Penix | nsx: you'd be VERY surprised |
| 11:59.25 | nsx | pf has always been rather unversatile |
| 11:59.28 | nsx | maybe |
| 11:59.38 | Penix | I personally cannot stand iptables/netfilter |
| 11:59.43 | Penix | ever since I first started using PF |
| 12:00.01 | nsx | can pf do anything like what ipt_recent does? |
| 12:00.02 | nsx | yet |
| 12:00.12 | nsx | can pf filter reverse nat yet? |
| 12:00.14 | fungo | a package filter is only a small part of what really matter |
| 12:00.25 | tralala | Penix, was thate before or after netfilter? |
| 12:00.27 | nsx | can pf do ANYTHING other than really, really basic firewalling.. yet? :\ |
| 12:00.30 | abrotman | fungo: that largely depends on machine purpose |
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| 12:00.58 | fungo | you are right |
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| 12:01.36 | Penix | nsx: heh. you seem to be living in 2000 or something. |
| 12:01.46 | nsx | Penix: those were yes or no questions |
| 12:01.46 | Penix | or just underestimating things a lot |
| 12:01.55 | nsx | can pf do those things now or can't it? |
| 12:02.15 | Penix | nsx: I'm still trying to find out what ipt_recent does |
| 12:03.21 | abrotman | Penix: roughly .. it kind of keeps track of who has attempted what ports/etc lately .. you can use it to do something like if an IP attempts ssh 5 times a minute .. it can block it |
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| 12:03.21 | abrotman | that's part of it anyways |
| 12:03.21 | Penix | ah |
| 12:03.21 | nsx | for instance, let's say I want to forward ident to a computer, but accept ident from hosts to which that lan computer has recently connected |
| 12:03.22 | abrotman | oh .. wait .. maybe i was wrong |
| 12:03.41 | abrotman | nsx: i had it totally wrong eh? :) |
| 12:04.04 | abrotman | http://www.snowman.net/projects/ipt_recent/ |
| 12:04.05 | nsx | mmm I think it can do what you're talking about, too |
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| 12:04.14 | fungo | for instance, let's say i want to run a program that's linked to libpthread in freebsd, with my dual core amd64 machine it'll crash instantly |
| 12:05.08 | nsx | netfilter, due to its modular design, just seems to be loads more flexible than pf will ever be, at any stage of its development, unless it undergoes a major overhaul |
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| 12:06.51 | Penix | I'm not aware of a feature similar to that, but I guess you might be able to pull it of using a few pf features combined, but, yeah, that's not too...elegant.. |
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| 12:07.20 | nsx | Penix: last I used pf, it couldn't filter reverse nat, either. say, for instance, a lan computer's response to a forwarded connection. |
| 12:07.35 | nsx | it's nice to be able to make "smarter" filtering decisions |
| 12:07.45 | nsx | rather than the very basic ones pf offers |
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| 12:08.02 | eifzon | What download shall i get if i got a core2duo? |
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| 12:08.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | How does one check what OS an apache server is running on? |
| 12:08.31 | nsx | isn't it x86-64 or something? |
| 12:08.34 | nsx | I'm not completely sure |
| 12:08.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | Or rather, distro |
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| 12:09.15 | nsx | ia64, rather |
| 12:09.29 | swiergot | hi, somebody please do me a favour: ls -l /dev/.static ; ls /dev/.static/dev | wc -l |
| 12:09.31 | abrotman | eifzon: amd64 |
| 12:09.33 | tralala | eifzon, i386 or amd64 |
| 12:09.35 | abrotman | nsx: it's NOT ia64 |
| 12:09.38 | abrotman | !ia64 |
| 12:09.38 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 12:09.58 | abrotman | nsx: if you have an ia64 .. you wouldn't ask what to install on it |
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| 12:10.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello, anyone? :) |
| 12:10.13 | eifzon | tralala: is amd64 works good? |
| 12:10.24 | nsx | amd64 would be used for intel cpus? |
| 12:10.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | eifzon: I use Debian Sid AMD64 |
| 12:10.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | eifzon: Works like a charm |
| 12:10.33 | eifzon | Dark_Apostrophe: ahh! |
| 12:10.36 | eifzon | Dark_Apostrophe: you got c2d? |
| 12:10.40 | Penix | nsx: afaik it's capable of that. I've read somewhere in the redirection docs about reversing rdr/nat connections when forwarding |
| 12:10.44 | tralala | eifzon, it does for me but it has a few inconviniences |
| 12:10.46 | IndridCold_ | with bash, can I capture a boolean from a function such as rsync ? |
| 12:10.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | eifzon: No, Athlon X2 |
| 12:10.48 | eifzon | nsx: AMD64 = x64 and c2d supports x64 |
| 12:10.51 | eifzon | Dark_Apostrophe: okok |
| 12:10.56 | eifzon | tralala: ook, like what |
| 12:11.05 | Penix | nsx: don't quote me on it though ;). the pf faq probably knows |
| 12:11.33 | abrotman | eifzon: no flash |
| 12:11.53 | eifzon | abrotman: flash? |
| 12:11.57 | tralala | eifzon, some programmes still run in 32bit only and if you want to use them you'll need 32bit chroot - not elegant |
| 12:11.57 | nsx | if it's capable of that, it's changed. what I was wanting was to make sure RST segments never made it out of my network, so that on a port scan, it looks like all ports are filtered, as much of the time as possible |
| 12:12.05 | abrotman | eifzon: flash .. adobe/macromedia flash |
| 12:12.08 | nsx | I thought that that was the sort of security to which openbsd was committed |
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| 12:12.36 | eifzon | abrotman: ahh, cant you get it to work? :S |
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| 12:12.47 | nsx | they say they're more worried about security, which is made possible by keeping the code simple, but when it comes to firewalling, wouldn't it make sure to have one that does something other than just the very basic? |
| 12:12.58 | asr`_ | Hi. |
| 12:13.01 | abrotman | eifzon: you can with a few nasty hacks |
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| 12:13.13 | asr`_ | I'm seraching for the DPL. Is there anyway to reach him (except by mail) ? |
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| 12:13.58 | tralala | asr`_, you can also reach hm by email |
| 12:14.05 | asr`_ | I've tried |
| 12:14.32 | abrotman | asr`_: that's probably the best .. why are you lokoing for him? |
| 12:14.39 | tralala | try some of the mailing lists - he ought to read some of them |
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| 12:15.13 | asr`_ | he will be to the LSM on Amiens (FR) this summer, and I have to check the hour with him. |
| 12:15.15 | Penix | it's capable of some pretty cool stuff considering its age. redundancy, prioritization etc. but obviously netfilter has time and 'maturity' on its side |
| 12:15.15 | abrotman | asr`_: also be aware that he was at a conference last week .. and might be backlogged on mail |
| 12:15.26 | abrotman | swiergot: ask here .. don't msg without permission |
| 12:15.45 | eifzon | abrotman: so what install? |
| 12:15.45 | swiergot | 14:09 < swiergot> hi, somebody please do me a favour: ls -l /dev/.static ; ls /dev/.static/dev | wc -l |
| 12:15.55 | asr`_ | abrotman: That what I thought. But i have to plan the hour quickly (before |
| 12:15.57 | abrotman | swiergot: it will be different for most |
| 12:15.57 | eifzon | abrotman: Official CD images of the stable releases? |
| 12:16.00 | asr`_ | 4PM GMT |
| 12:16.02 | abrotman | !d-i eifzon |
| 12:16.02 | dpkg | eifzon, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 12:16.04 | nsx | yeah well I also think linux has the incentive the GPL gives to free software development, on its side as well |
| 12:16.08 | dromer | can someone help me setup grub on a chrooted Etch usb-disk? |
| 12:16.11 | swiergot | abrotman: it doesn't matter for me |
| 12:16.36 | swiergot | abrotman: just need to know what's in there |
| 12:16.37 | eifzon | abrotman: thats the new one? |
| 12:16.38 | eifzon | etch!? |
| 12:16.41 | abrotman | swiergot: moment |
| 12:16.46 | nsx | given the way that real human beings work, GPL-styled licenses will always attrack more free software development |
| 12:16.51 | abrotman | ls -l | wc -l |
| 12:16.51 | abrotman | 1942 |
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| 12:16.54 | eifzon | abrotman: shall i get netinstall? :) |
| 12:17.05 | Penix | nsx: I really like both sides of the license spectrum from a BSD/MIT/GPL perspective. I can see good uses for a variety |
| 12:17.06 | abrotman | eifzon: that's what we'd like you to use as long as you have broadband |
| 12:17.13 | eifzon | i do |
| 12:17.21 | eifzon | so i get: debian-40r0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 12:17.24 | abrotman | swiergot: your number is up there |
| 12:17.28 | nsx | Penix: to serve the interests of corporations? :) |
| 12:17.37 | abrotman | !tell GNUdog about away |
| 12:18.06 | Penix | nsx: there's a lot of corporate interests being served when it comes to GPL-style software too ;) |
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| 12:18.18 | nsx | I don't think the BSD and MIT licenses are fair, even for government-subsidized work, which is what BSD is |
| 12:18.20 | Penix | they just sometimes can't get away with not giving back. heh |
| 12:18.20 | swiergot | abrotman: and ls -l /dev/.static ? i'd like to know if there's anythingelse other than dev |
| 12:18.27 | nsx | taxpayers pay for it |
| 12:18.30 | nsx | not to help corporations |
| 12:18.32 | abrotman | swiergot: nope .. just dev/ |
| 12:18.43 | GNUdog | abrotman, Got it |
| 12:18.48 | abrotman | GNUdog: thank you |
| 12:19.02 | swiergot | abrotman: thanks! |
| 12:19.10 | eifzon | abrotman: ? |
| 12:19.12 | abrotman | okay .. been at work for an hour .. it's nap time |
| 12:19.33 | abrotman | eifzon: yes .. that sohuld work if you want amd64 .. |
| 12:19.40 | abrotman | eifzon: i386 will work also |
| 12:19.49 | eifzon | abrotman: but thats x64? |
| 12:19.49 | Penix | nsx: the same 'fairness' issue often comes up about the gpl |
| 12:19.56 | eifzon | abrotman: and x64 shall be faster? |
| 12:20.02 | Penix | nsx: some see it as unfair to enforce contributing changes back |
| 12:20.34 | Penix | nsx: sounds weird, but it sort of makes sense at the same time |
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| 12:20.35 | tralala | nsx, corporate interests aren't always evil and don't always contradict public interests (only most of the time) |
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| 12:21.21 | abrotman | eifzon: for something it would be faster .. |
| 12:21.41 | eifzon | abrotman: like media? |
| 12:21.43 | eifzon | games? |
| 12:21.51 | abrotman | databases ? :) |
| 12:21.55 | eifzon | :P |
| 12:22.31 | abrotman | eifzon: if you're planning on a bunch of gaming .. i'd go i386 |
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| 12:22.47 | abrotman | especially if that's binary-only gaming |
| 12:22.53 | nsx | tralala: I didn't say they did |
| 12:23.09 | abrotman | tralala: can i move to your dreamland? :) |
| 12:23.16 | eifzon | abrotman: :( |
| 12:23.22 | tralala | abrotman, heh :) |
| 12:23.23 | abrotman | eifzon: what kind of games will you play ? |
| 12:23.29 | eifzon | abrotman: like q3, urbanterror |
| 12:23.36 | eifzon | UT 2007 when it comes out :P |
| 12:23.43 | abrotman | eifzon: i have no idea what those are .. but i suspect they're binary only |
| 12:23.44 | nsx | actually, I don't really have a problem with government-funded software being released under the BSD license. after all, corporations pay taxes, too. |
| 12:23.55 | Penix | hehe |
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| 12:24.08 | abrotman | nsx: they .. mostly do |
| 12:24.15 | eifzon | abrotman: suppose soo |
| 12:24.20 | nsx | but I definitely have a problem with the people who support proprietary software and the BSD license, but attack the GPL. it's such a hypocritical, transparent position. |
| 12:24.29 | nsx | abrotman: right |
| 12:24.37 | tralala | abrotman, welcome to my dreamland :D |
| 12:24.40 | abrotman | eifzon: you could always put /home on a separate partition .. and if later you want the amd64 version .. you can go to that |
| 12:24.49 | nsx | they're also given entirely too many breaks when it comes to tax paying, but that's a different story |
| 12:24.58 | abrotman | eifzon: i just don't know if those games will work on pure64 .. i don't play games on PCs anymore |
| 12:25.11 | abrotman | eifzon: you could of course ask the #debian-amd64 channel |
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| 12:26.36 | abrotman | eifzon: that channel might be on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:26.49 | eifzon | ok |
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| 12:27.58 | eifzon | abrotman: is debian faster then ubuntu? |
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| 12:29.10 | Penix | eifzon: what's the meaning of life? |
| 12:29.19 | eifzon | Penix: no idea |
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| 12:29.27 | Ronin | Penix: 42 |
| 12:29.34 | eifzon | but is it faster to startup? |
| 12:29.34 | tralala | ah, I'm too slow |
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| 12:29.49 | Penix | eifzon: go find out. we don't own your machine |
| 12:29.51 | abrotman | eifzon: depends on the use |
| 12:29.55 | tralala | eifzon, we don't do ubuntu benchmarks here |
| 12:29.59 | eifzon | ok |
| 12:30.24 | tralala | anandtech has a linux section but it seems abandoned |
| 12:30.47 | tralala | (a real shame btw) |
| 12:31.22 | Penix | tralala: are you being sarcastic?... |
| 12:32.10 | tralala | no I mean it - I like anand's reviews and I wish they did linux testing on new hardware |
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| 12:33.17 | branstrom | I've had one machine with a sources.list that said "testing main contrib non-free" for each source. Now I've switched to only "etch main". What's the best way for me to upgrade to etch? aptitude dist-upgrade straight away? |
| 12:33.36 | xand | branstrom: you can't ugprade from testing to etch |
| 12:33.42 | xand | testing is newer than etch |
| 12:33.44 | branstrom | downgrade, I mean :) |
| 12:33.51 | xand | you can't downgrade |
| 12:33.51 | tralala | !downgrade |
| 12:33.51 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 12:34.11 | branstrom | urgh |
| 12:34.13 | xand | you can upgrade iff the machine hasn't been updated since etch released |
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| 12:34.37 | branstrom | It has |
| 12:34.37 | tralala | xand, even this won't necessarily work |
| 12:34.53 | xand | tralala: why? it would have etch packaged |
| 12:34.55 | xand | *s |
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| 12:35.15 | branstrom | So is it a bad idea to switch sources.list to etch sources only? |
| 12:35.28 | branstrom | Should I keep the testing sources? |
| 12:35.35 | tralala | xand, packages being droped out of etch during the freeze for example |
| 12:35.50 | assasukasse | hi everyone, how do i copy a whole directory via scp? |
| 12:35.51 | tralala | branstrom, it's best to reinstall |
| 12:36.04 | branstrom | Why? |
| 12:36.16 | tralala | assasukasse, by using -r as stated in the manual |
| 12:36.31 | xand | branstrom: what do you want the box to run? |
| 12:36.36 | xand | etch or testing? |
| 12:36.45 | tralala | branstrom, because stable is the best for you |
| 12:36.58 | branstrom | Hmm yah. The guy who set it up used testing, I dunno why |
| 12:37.25 | tralala | He had the delusion he knew stuff... |
| 12:37.37 | stew | branstrom: what version of libc6 do you have installed? |
| 12:37.41 | assasukasse | tralala i tried, but i get a permission denied: scp -r dir user@host:/dir |
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| 12:38.05 | branstrom | stew, Version: 2.5-9+b1 |
| 12:38.26 | tralala | assasukasse, apparently you don't have write permissions to host:/dir |
| 12:38.27 | assasukasse | ah i found |
| 12:38.38 | assasukasse | i forgot to add the tilde |
| 12:38.42 | assasukasse | for the home dir :D |
| 12:38.44 | assasukasse | thanks tralala |
| 12:38.49 | tralala | assasukasse, you're welcome |
| 12:38.53 | stew | branstrom: then likely the best way to go to etch is to reinstall |
| 12:39.15 | assasukasse | i have a small question about ssh, if i launch a process, can i make it survive after the ssh session is closed? and how? |
| 12:39.27 | tralala | !screen |
| 12:39.27 | dpkg | [screen] allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or aptitude install screen |
| 12:39.38 | branstrom | How often are stable Debian dists released? |
| 12:39.48 | CharminTheMoose | about 12 months.. |
| 12:39.49 | branstrom | I could just upgrade when the next one comes out |
| 12:39.54 | branstrom | Oh, wow. |
| 12:39.55 | tralala | branstrom, evey once in a while |
| 12:40.13 | assasukasse | tralala: so i should start screen once i ssh into the remote machine, then launch the process and close the ssh, it will survive there? |
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| 12:40.33 | tralala | assasukasse, yes |
| 12:40.47 | assasukasse | thanks alot tralala! |
| 12:40.51 | assasukasse | that's exactly what i needed |
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| 12:41.10 | tralala | also you can install an irssi script to set you away when your screen is detached |
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| 12:42.18 | assasukasse | tralala: actually what i am doing is using a remote machine to calculate some cpu intensive stuffs, connecting by ssh, but i don't want the ssh to have to be always on, so i connect, launch the calculation, then disc..but if i do that with plain ssh the calculation dies |
| 12:42.25 | assasukasse | so screen should do the trick |
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| 12:42.51 | tralala | it will |
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| 12:43.23 | assasukasse | but should i launch screen then disown or just plain screen |
| 12:43.58 | tralala | you should start by reading a howto or something for using screen |
| 12:44.01 | jelly-home | TBH screen is designed for interactive tasks, perhaps running with nohup would work for your process too |
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| 12:45.14 | assasukasse | uhm |
| 12:45.25 | assasukasse | yes nohup...should work for my proggie as well |
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| 12:50.58 | dromer | anyone? |
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| 12:51.57 | fasta | Is there a terminal that is _fast_ (i.e. not run it in Emacs) and has a search function? |
| 12:52.06 | Tinozaure | Hello, I am looking for a 'Debian compliant' solution to use MySQL4 on Etch |
| 12:52.15 | Tinozaure | do someone has a clue for me ? |
| 12:52.30 | fasta | !clue |
| 12:52.30 | dpkg | a clue is something that puts you on track to something, however you will not know for sure that the track you are put on is the right one. So, the conclusion is that whenever you get a clue you should investigate it! NOW!!, but something shift and dimension-42 need. Command Line User Environment, or something clueless people do without. http://okkie.frob.nl/clueshop.jpg |
| 12:53.06 | Tinozaure | ok anything usefull ? |
| 12:53.10 | Tinozaure | :) |
| 12:53.27 | delliott | The jpg link is not working. |
| 12:53.30 | branstrom | Do I have to create a new user in order to run a process as that user? |
| 12:53.50 | branstrom | Can I just set arbitrary usernames to run processes as? |
| 12:53.55 | assasukasse | nohup works in local, i dunno in ssh but i suppose yes.. |
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| 12:54.26 | ace | hello |
| 12:54.33 | ace | i install mysql 4.1 using this "apt-get install mysql-server-4.1" |
| 12:54.42 | ace | and now, i have |
| 12:54.42 | ace | mysqld --version |
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| 12:54.54 | ace | how to setup the 4.1? |
| 12:55.06 | SlayerXP | ace: you read the docs. |
| 12:55.14 | ace | which one |
| 12:55.19 | ace | there are plenty of docs |
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| 12:55.37 | fasta | ace: the Internet is also a huge place, what is your point? |
| 12:55.39 | tralala | ace, start with /usr/share/doc/mysql* |
| 12:55.44 | SlayerXP | the ones in /usr/share/doc/mysql*/ |
| 12:56.02 | frank | ace: aptitude show mysql-server-4.1 |
| 12:56.21 | ace | i don't use aptitude |
| 12:56.54 | ace | there s only a copyright and changelog in the usr share doc |
| 12:56.59 | tralala | ace, you better start - it's the recommended tool for etch+ |
| 12:57.16 | fasta | ace: then you install the doc package. |
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| 12:57.18 | tralala | then install the relevant -doc package |
| 12:57.43 | fasta | Are all the Debian conventions documented somewhere? |
| 12:58.03 | ace | * DOWNGRADING TO 4.0 or 4.1: |
| 12:58.04 | ace | ============================ |
| 12:58.04 | ace | Unsupported. Period. |
| 12:58.05 | ace | nice |
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| 12:58.06 | fasta | I think _I_ know most of them, but Windows users, certainly do not. |
| 12:58.16 | speeves | fasta:http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
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| 12:59.01 | tralala | ace, /msg dpkg paste |
| 12:59.02 | fasta | speeves: does that include things like that documentation for a package X is the X-doc package? I know this is a stupid example, but there are more complicated conventions. |
| 12:59.11 | abrotman | fasta: there's a policy manual |
| 12:59.45 | ace | it s just a bug, i asked to install mysql4.1 and it installed mysql5 |
| 13:00.04 | tralala | ace, report it |
| 13:00.31 | frank | ace: just as i already told you, read aptitude/apt-cache show mysql-server-4.1 |
| 13:00.47 | SlayerXP | ace: you do realise it's perfectly possible to have multiple versions of mysql installed? |
| 13:01.10 | ace | SlayerXP: no , i don't know where are the symlink or the script to switch |
| 13:01.26 | SlayerXP | ace: installed and running _at the same time_ |
| 13:01.47 | ace | SlayerXP it s not the problem, the problem is that there's no mysql4.1 package |
| 13:02.12 | SlayerXP | if that's a jedi mind trick, you failed. |
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| 13:08.27 | abrotman | ace: in etch? nope there's not |
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| 13:08.39 | ace | damn |
| 13:08.42 | ace | thanks |
| 13:08.58 | abrotman | there's 5.0! |
| 13:09.02 | abrotman | and multiple versions of pgsql! |
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| 13:09.16 | ace | yes i know |
| 13:09.53 | abrotman | bintut: did you get it working ? |
| 13:10.13 | Maerz | can i have several initrd entrys in my grub config ? |
| 13:10.26 | abrotman | for different boot options .. yes |
| 13:10.32 | Maerz | for a single one not ? |
| 13:10.47 | abrotman | that i'm not sure .. but it doesn't really make sense .. #grub might know more |
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| 13:11.39 | Maerz | i want to get bootsplash running, and the existing initrd is a cpio compressed disk and the splash updater that copys the theme into the rd will destroy the archiev |
| 13:11.42 | Maerz | *archiv |
| 13:12.22 | Maerz | at least their FAQ says that |
| 13:12.30 | minerale | I'm getting an error: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/v/vim/vim-runtime_7.0-122+1_all.deb 404 Not Found -- when I try to apt get vim |
| 13:12.48 | minerale | ah, apt-get update fixed it |
| 13:12.51 | Maerz | apt-get update ^^ |
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| 13:13.32 | branstrom | If I don't enter a password for a user, I can run processes as that user but no one can login to it? |
| 13:13.58 | minerale | branstrom: even better, set the user's login shell as /bin/false |
| 13:14.02 | bintut | abrotman: the wifi thing? |
| 13:14.11 | abrotman | bintut: the bridging thing |
| 13:14.26 | branstrom | Apparently I have to supply a password to "adduser" |
| 13:14.37 | abrotman | you can lock the account |
| 13:14.40 | minerale | branstrom: don't use adduser, just add a line to /etc/passwd |
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| 13:15.16 | branstrom | It's already created the user and group and won't let me out of the password prompt, so :) |
| 13:15.17 | stew | branstrom: you can change their password has to a * in /etc/shadow ; you'll notice all of your system users are already like that |
| 13:15.25 | stew | ^has^hash |
| 13:15.39 | bintut | abrotman: not yet. but i found out that even if i don't have any option to enable the network interface, by default the guest os can connect to the internet |
| 13:15.49 | abrotman | but you wanted it on your LAN |
| 13:16.01 | bintut | abrotman: with that, i don't need bridging already |
| 13:16.07 | abrotman | ok |
| 13:16.20 | bintut | abrotman: i just want to be able to access the internet from the guest os |
| 13:16.24 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 13:16.28 | abrotman | i thought you wanted them on your LAN |
| 13:16.33 | bintut | abrotman: but, thanks for trying to help.. :) |
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| 13:16.54 | bintut | abrotman: nope. i just want to download something from the guest os.. |
| 13:17.07 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 13:17.07 | branstrom | stew, what about !, what's that do? |
| 13:17.57 | stew | branstrom: that has the same effect (man shadow) |
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| 13:18.14 | branstrom | aight |
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| 13:21.17 | stew | branstrom: and be careful editing that file, you can do bad things. its recommended to edit it using "vipw -s" which will protect you somewhat from screwing it up |
| 13:21.53 | branstrom | I was being careful |
| 13:21.55 | branstrom | But okay, thanks |
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| 13:25.11 | smacnay | Hi, how does one properly burn an .iso so that it is bootable? |
| 13:25.55 | Shadur | smacnay: If the iso's bootable, you should be all set. |
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| 13:26.30 | abrotman | smacnay: burn at a slower speed possibly |
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| 13:29.51 | tralala | smacnay, the "bootability" of the .iso is determined at creation time, not at burning time |
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| 13:31.43 | unlink | is there a way to get a command to run when a certain device is inserted? |
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| 13:34.33 | speeves | unlink: check out the docs at http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:34.33 | unlink | as in, a *particular* drive |
| 13:35.01 | Enverex | Networking no-longer works in Wine when using it on Debian Sid. Does anyone know of any packages changes in Sid that may have done this? (been like it a week or more) |
| 13:35.04 | unlink | gnome-volume-manager + hal mount them correctly |
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| 13:35.15 | unlink | it's just that i want to run a command for a certain one |
| 13:36.52 | naitram | need help with ntp server / client. Client request with flags 0x0b server responds with INIT message. The client never actually updates anything though. Any help appreciated. |
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| 13:38.54 | h3sp4wn | Enverex: amd64 ? |
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| 13:39.01 | Enverex | h3sp4wn, Yeah |
| 13:39.03 | stew | unlink: you can have udev run a script |
| 13:39.10 | h3sp4wn | Enverex: new ia32-libs maybe |
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| 13:39.18 | stew | unlink: or ivman can do it |
| 13:39.47 | unlink | stew: ahh, great. (do you know if gnome-volume-manager can tie in?) |
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| 13:39.56 | Enverex | h3sp4wn, hrm, possibly. Where can I get an older version from? |
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| 13:40.24 | stew | unlink: what do you mean by "tie in"? |
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| 13:42.21 | unlink | stew: i'm trying to execute an interactive program when a certain device is inserted |
| 13:42.42 | h3sp4wn | Enverex: snapshot.debian.net I guess (It definately was updated to 2.0 relatively recently) |
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| 13:42.51 | rossMoHaX | hi all! How I've do SNAT for my network. I could count outgoing packets in -t filter FORWARD chain. Where I could count returning incoming packets? |
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| 13:43.41 | stew | unlink: i have no idea if gnome-volume-manager can do that type of thing. i don't use it. I use ivman for that |
| 13:44.30 | unlink | oh |
| 13:44.48 | IndridCold_ | with cron: 0 2 * * * means every 2 hours right ? or should it be /2 ? |
| 13:45.11 | Shadur | IndridCold_: That'd mean at 2 AM sharp every day. |
| 13:45.29 | IndridCold_ | thought as much, what is the syntax for every 2 hours ? /2 ? |
| 13:45.41 | Shadur | */2 |
| 13:45.42 | stew | IndridCold_: */2 |
| 13:45.59 | unlink | stew: ah, okay |
| 13:46.00 | IndridCold_ | nice! |
| 13:46.07 | rossMoHaX | Is it even possible to count all (in/out) MASQUERADED traffic? |
| 13:46.15 | Shadur | rossMoHaX: Sure. |
| 13:46.24 | stew | unlink: i put an example of how I do such a thing at the bottom of http://wiki.debian.org/IVMan |
| 13:46.52 | rossMoHaX | Shadur, I've counted only outgoing (in FORWARD chain), but can't catch any incoming traffic |
| 13:46.55 | unlink | stew: awesome, thanks |
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| 13:47.15 | unlink | oh, i'm using debian stable :\ |
| 13:47.25 | Shadur | rossMoHaX: incoming and outgoing traffic all goes through FORWARD. |
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| 13:48.39 | smacnay | tralala: ah, so the iso is borked, thanks |
| 13:48.49 | stew | unlink: oh, its in stable, i need to update that page since the etch release |
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| 13:49.14 | dromer | what do I do with an Error 15 from grub? |
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| 13:50.05 | unlink | stew: oh, cool |
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| 13:51.06 | GNUtoo | hello, is there a livecd reflecting the current state of etch...a little bit like sidux but for etch |
| 13:51.26 | stew | GNUtoo: try http://live.debian.net |
| 13:51.31 | Enverex | h3sp4wn, Nope, downgraded to 1.19 and it's still broken |
| 13:51.51 | GNUtoo | stew, thanks |
| 13:52.06 | stew | GNUtoo: i'm not sure if they have an etch build or not |
| 13:52.29 | GNUtoo | stew, there is http://live.debian.net/etch-builds/current/ |
| 13:52.32 | rossMoHaX | Shadur, maybe problem that I do masq with only one IP? |
| 13:53.11 | rossMoHaX | I mean on my "router" there is only one ip |
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| 13:55.28 | naitram | can someone tell me how to setup ntp on a machine as a server. Letting other clients receive time from it. I only want to synchronize all the other clocks to the one machine. |
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| 13:57.39 | AngusRF | ht |
| 13:57.53 | stew | naitram: install ntp and ntp-doc |
| 13:58.29 | stew | naitram: ntp installs the server, configurable in /etc/ntp.conf ; ntp-doc installs the html documentation that will help you set it up |
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| 13:58.58 | naitram | stew: did that. Cant seem to get it working. Everything I read says I don't have to do anything to set up the server after the install. right? |
| 13:59.20 | h3sp4wn | Enverex: It uses the 32-bit libs afaik - Cannot think of anything else that could break it |
| 13:59.25 | stew | naitram: it comes by default setup as a client |
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| 14:00.13 | Enverex | h3sp4wn, hrm... |
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| 14:00.45 | krlos | hi |
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| 14:01.26 | xerophyte | when i put a alias in the .bashrc file , it does not get effect when i login to my gnome .. does anybody know why .. where should i place the alias info ? |
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| 14:02.38 | naitram | stew: yeah , ok your right I commented out the server entries in mine. Do you know much about the protocol itself? I have traced the packets with wireshark and can see request from the clients and what looks like responses from the server |
| 14:02.46 | krlos | I wan to know if is posible to make pakages using a virtual machinne as a qemu, i have debian etch in my pc and i wanto to make pakages, because of it i want to install sid in a qemu virtual machinne ... is it possible |
| 14:02.54 | mkl1525 | Hi, rdesktop closes the connection to the RDP server when some packets are lost, win client reconnects again, so that the user doesn't have to do this by hand. Is there any option to rdesktop - haven't found it in the man page |
| 14:03.26 | h3sp4wn | krlos: You can use a pbuilder for sid or a chroot |
| 14:03.37 | h3sp4wn | krlos: (or sid under user-mode-linux) |
| 14:04.03 | h3sp4wn | krlos: qemu would work but be pretty slow |
| 14:04.20 | Enverex | Is it possible to set up Apt to automatically grab keys from a keyserver rather than bitching about repos not having a key available? Or being able to turn off the bitching entirely... |
| 14:04.24 | stew | naitram: i don't know |
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| 14:04.49 | naitram | stew: ok thanks, back to the docs i guess. |
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| 14:05.10 | Enverex | h3sp4wn, lib32z1, libstdc++6, libasound2 and libc6-i386 are the deps |
| 14:05.33 | h3sp4wn | Enverex: Not ai32-libs ? |
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| 14:05.49 | Enverex | h3sp4wn, and that, I left that out because we already knew |
| 14:05.50 | h3sp4wn | Enverex: You could put something like - APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1; |
| 14:06.08 | h3sp4wn | (into /etc/apt.conf but its not really a good idea) |
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| 14:06.30 | h3sp4wn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.25 | h3sp4wn | Enverex: try which-pkg-broke wine |
| 14:07.36 | h3sp4wn | (I think its in debian-goodies) |
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| 14:08.01 | h3sp4wn | all of those deps have been updated by the looks of it |
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| 14:12.13 | krlos | h3sp4wn: sure, i don't think in that option, thanks a lot |
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| 14:15.03 | Enverex | h3sp4wn, That's a lot of packages :/ |
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| 14:15.35 | h3sp4wn | Enverex: only go back a week |
| 14:15.44 | h3sp4wn | Enverex: (if you are certain that is when it was) |
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| 14:16.03 | Enverex | h3sp4wn, I can't remember when it was, possibly a few weeks :/ |
| 14:16.23 | Enverex | h3sp4wn, It's like 30 packages and the the oldest date is only the 13th of this month |
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| 14:22.32 | junix-other | is there a way to see disk writes on a software raid??? |
| 14:22.39 | junix-other | or to monitor a software raid? |
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| 14:29.10 | Enverex | h3sp4wn, I can't find lib32stdc on there... |
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| 14:30.26 | Enverex | Ah, nvm, I got it |
| 14:30.51 | eifzon | just installed debian, and i got a software Update, shall i install it? its named as: linux-image-2.56.18-4-686 |
| 14:32.16 | stew | heh, 2.56.18 is probably a long ways off |
| 14:32.27 | stew | eifzon: yes, you should. its a security patch to your kernel |
| 14:32.39 | junix-other | is there a way to monitor disk writes on a software raid? |
| 14:32.48 | humbolto | Does anybody know why I get "rtc: lost some interrupts at 512Hz" on my Etch VMware host with one single Etch guest OS? |
| 14:33.04 | eifzon | ok stew |
| 14:33.08 | humbolto | Running VMware Server. |
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| 14:33.23 | eifzon | stew: one more thing, i used ubuntu before, and whats the command for like: "sudo apt-get install program"+ |
| 14:33.26 | eifzon | i cant do it on debian |
| 14:33.50 | GryfelHase | eifzon: change to root complete ;) |
| 14:33.54 | stew | eifzon: that should work, assuming you have setup sudo |
| 14:33.54 | GryfelHase | su root |
| 14:34.02 | humbolto | eifzon: you need to install and configure the sudo package. |
| 14:34.10 | stew | eifzon: debian wouldn't come with sudo by default |
| 14:34.11 | humbolto | It is fairly simple! |
| 14:34.25 | eifzon | stew: do you got sudo then? :P |
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| 14:34.34 | frank | just use 'su -' to change to root |
| 14:34.35 | GryfelHase | What is the advantage of using sudo instead of using su? |
| 14:34.36 | Enverex | h3sp4wn, Ok, I'm getting too many conflicts now for this to work |
| 14:35.32 | eifzon | stew: is Iceweasel firefox? |
| 14:35.43 | frank | yes |
| 14:35.44 | eifzon | cause that started when i wrote firefox |
| 14:35.47 | karmatronic | GryfelHase: using your own password, not root s |
| 14:35.49 | eifzon | then i can remove firefox? :P |
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| 14:36.01 | karmatronic | eifzon: yes |
| 14:36.03 | Enverex | h3sp4wn, Synaptic is still bitching about W: GPG Errors :/ |
| 14:36.20 | eifzon | goodie, but how do i install sudo now? |
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| 14:36.53 | GryfelHase | ok.... another question: Is it very wise to use sudo or su from users desktop? If a keylogger is installed...... it can catch the roots passwort.... |
| 14:36.56 | humbolto | If you want to have the same behaviour than in Ubuntu then: su - ; apt-get install sudo ; addgroup admin ; adduser YOURUSER admin ; echo "%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL >> /etc/sudoers ; |
| 14:36.58 | GryfelHase | or am i wrong? |
| 14:37.15 | humbolto | eifzon: read my last message |
| 14:37.33 | eifzon | humbolto: apt-get install sudo |
| 14:37.35 | eifzon | but, how to configure? |
| 14:37.41 | humbolto | eifzon: read my last message |
| 14:37.44 | eifzon | sudo is already the newest version. |
| 14:37.54 | eifzon | [16:33:50] < humbolto> eifzon: you need to install and configure the sudo package. |
| 14:38.18 | humbolto | so then sprit the apt-get install part of the message above! |
| 14:38.33 | eifzon | ahh didnt see |
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| 14:39.14 | eifzon | humbolto: after i wrote that command |
| 14:39.21 | eifzon | a think like this came up: > |
| 14:39.32 | stew | eifzon: probably an unbalanced quote |
| 14:39.40 | stew | eifzon: hit ctrl-c and try again |
| 14:39.54 | eifzon | shall i be as su |
| 14:39.56 | eifzon | before? |
| 14:40.06 | humbolto | execute the commands between the ";" one by one! |
| 14:40.12 | stew | eifzon: before what? |
| 14:40.15 | humbolto | sure |
| 14:40.24 | humbolto | the su is to become superuser |
| 14:40.32 | humbolto | and stay superuser |
| 14:40.44 | eifzon | yes |
| 14:40.48 | eifzon | but i dont get it to work |
| 14:40.48 | humbolto | not like with sudo which just executes one command as superuser |
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| 14:41.17 | humbolto | you have to log out and log in again after you added yourself to the admin group |
| 14:41.23 | eifzon | i wrote this: su - , apt-get install sudo ; addgroup admin ; adduser anders admin ; echo "%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL >> /etc/sudoers ; |
| 14:41.33 | eifzon | but humbolto, it came a > |
| 14:41.34 | humbolto | after login you are recognized to be a member of admon |
| 14:41.36 | eifzon | after i wrote that command |
| 14:41.47 | humbolto | su - ; not ' |
| 14:41.50 | humbolto | not , |
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| 14:41.56 | humbolto | I mean |
| 14:42.01 | stew | eifzon: yes, but echo "%admin.... had a " that wasn't closed |
| 14:42.10 | eifzon | stew: what shall i do then? |
| 14:42.13 | koman | any expert user of geda around? |
| 14:42.13 | eifzon | humbolto: i changed to ; |
| 14:42.16 | humbolto | and there should be a " after the last ALL |
| 14:42.27 | stew | eifzon: add another " after the last ALL (before the >>) |
| 14:42.28 | nelf | When my locale is set to en_GB.UTF-8 my alt (left) modifier keys produce strange characters. Without setting locale (leaving it at C) they work as I want them as the Esc key... wyzat? |
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| 14:42.48 | dromer | can someone help me install grub to a chrooted usb-disk? |
| 14:43.34 | eifzon | it workt stew |
| 14:43.38 | eifzon | shall i do a ctrl+alt+backspace now? |
| 14:43.51 | koman | new user of geda, needs help. no help facilities available. |
| 14:43.52 | stew | eifzon: why would you do that? |
| 14:44.05 | eifzon | to get my "admin" work? |
| 14:44.06 | eifzon | as humbolto said |
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| 14:44.16 | eifzon | [16:41:22] < humbolto> after login you are recognized to be a member of admon |
| 14:44.30 | stew | eifzon: just logout, you don't have to kill the x server |
| 14:44.36 | eifzon | ok |
| 14:45.10 | smacnay | funny, my dvd/cd drive will not read a dvd but will r/w a cd. |
| 14:45.25 | smacnay | Just started this a day ago. I guess the drive is broken. |
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| 14:45.44 | eifzon | hmm |
| 14:45.57 | eifzon | anders@anderssbox:~$ sudo apt-get install firefox anders is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 14:46.08 | stew | eifzon: type "groups" is admin listed? |
| 14:46.08 | humbolto | eifzon: a good tip is also to read "man sudoers", so you actually understand what you are doing! |
| 14:46.18 | eifzon | anders dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev |
| 14:46.37 | eifzon | humbolto: i know how to do with sudo, but i never configured it cause i have had ubuntu |
| 14:46.46 | stew | eifzon: if you run "getent groups admin" do you see anders? |
| 14:46.52 | smacnay | I wonder if the udev upgrade broke the use of the dvd drive? |
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| 14:46.57 | eifzon | stew: i see nothing |
| 14:46.57 | stew | eifzon: err "getent group admin" |
| 14:47.00 | humbolto | eifzon: hope you changed the YOURUSER to your user name! |
| 14:47.07 | smacnay | drive is recognized on boot |
| 14:47.29 | eifzon | humbolto: yes |
| 14:47.46 | stew | eifzon: when you type "getent group admin" do you see "anders"? |
| 14:47.52 | eifzon | stew: no |
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| 14:48.11 | stew | eifzon: "adduser anders admin" then logout, and log back in, and try it again |
| 14:48.30 | eifzon | bash: adduser: command not found |
| 14:48.30 | eifzon | :S |
| 14:48.34 | stew | eifzon: as root |
| 14:48.43 | eifzon | adduser: The group `admin' does not exist. |
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| 14:48.54 | humbolto | eifzon: then do it all over again, step by step. don't paste the whole line. And try to understand, what you are actually doing. So you can troubleshoot yourself. |
| 14:49.04 | stew | eifzon: "addgroup admin" |
| 14:49.05 | eifzon | humbolto: yea |
| 14:49.12 | eifzon | ok, stew done that |
| 14:49.17 | smacnay | Were there any issues with the recent udev upgrade in "testing" |
| 14:49.17 | stew | eifzon: "adduser anders admin" then logout, and log back in, and try it again |
| 14:49.18 | humbolto | as su? |
| 14:49.30 | irule | how may create a cron thing to run a script every second? |
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| 14:49.41 | stew | irule: you can't cron only runs once a minute |
| 14:49.47 | humbolto | you can't tamper with these configurations as a normal user! |
| 14:49.49 | eifzon | stew: done |
| 14:49.52 | eifzon | what to check now if its working? |
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| 14:50.09 | eifzon | anders is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 14:50.10 | eifzon | gah :SS |
| 14:50.12 | stew | eifzon: as the user anders, type "groups" admin should show up now |
| 14:50.24 | eifzon | stew: yes i see admin there |
| 14:50.48 | irule | stew well, then how can I have my script run on system start? |
| 14:50.51 | g0rd0n | hello! i have an nvidia nforce-based hardware raid mirror, but when i want to install debian etch it recognizes two separate hard disks... how can i make the netinst cd recognize my mirror? i guess if i make the installer just partition one disk the mirror will screw up... |
| 14:50.59 | stew | eifzon: show us your /etc/sudoers ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:51.07 | rahul | nforce doesn't have hardware raid |
| 14:51.21 | rahul | g0rd0n: just use software raid. it's the same thing. |
| 14:51.32 | Kevin` | g0rd0n are you only going to be using this array with linux? if so, you should know that that sort of raid is driver based, not hardware based |
| 14:51.34 | stew | irule: /msg dpkg bootmisc ; /msg dpkg rc.local ; or add a @reboot cronjob (man 5 crontab) |
| 14:51.51 | g0rd0n | Kevin`: no, i also have windows vista and windows xp on that array |
| 14:51.57 | Kevin` | g0rd0n and you could instead use linux's raid and get more features ang the same effect. |
| 14:52.00 | Kevin` | oh well :( |
| 14:52.04 | stew | g0rd0n: you can see if dmraid supports your chipset |
| 14:52.11 | Kevin` | well, I think the driver you want to use is called dmraid |
| 14:52.18 | eifzon | stew: its nothing in my sudoers file :S |
| 14:52.35 | stew | yeah |
| 14:52.38 | g0rd0n | and how do i load dmraid in the netinst? |
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| 14:53.05 | stew | this is why people hsould use visudo instead of trying to directly edit that file |
| 14:53.07 | eifzon | su - ; apt-get install sudo ; addgroup admin ; adduser anders admin ; echo "%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL" >> /etc/sudoers ; |
| 14:53.11 | eifzon | that is the command? |
| 14:53.26 | stew | eifzon: no, you need to get a fresh copy of sudoers from somewhere |
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| 14:53.30 | dromer | ey stew: still struggling with the laptop :S trying to install grub to a chrooted disk again .. |
| 14:53.35 | eifzon | stew: ok |
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| 14:53.40 | stew | dromer: and what is the problem? |
| 14:53.42 | eifzon | stew: could you give me one? |
| 14:53.48 | dromer | stew: Error 15 :/ |
| 14:53.58 | dromer | stew: can't get grub to install properly |
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| 14:54.17 | dromer | I get Error 15 immediatly after stage 1.5 |
| 14:54.33 | merc_work | i set chkrootkit up yesterday, and it gives me the following message every time it runs: eth1: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient.dpkg-new (deleted)[1004]), any idea what's up? (googling leads to one irc conversation in which it never gets addressed.) |
| 14:54.38 | Kevin` | g0rd0n not really sure. if you can't find anything, you could bootstrap it from a livecd or something |
| 14:55.13 | stew | eifzon: aptitude purge sudo ; aptitude install sudo ; then DONT use that command above. just use 'visudo' to edit the file |
| 14:55.43 | eifzon | stew: so ? |
| 14:55.46 | stew | dromer: you get this during boot? |
| 14:55.48 | eifzon | aptitude purge sudo ; aptitude install sudo ; |
| 14:55.51 | dromer | stew: yes |
| 14:56.02 | stew | dromer: what do you have as the groot= in menu.lst? |
| 14:56.15 | dromer | stew: I just tried a sudo grub-install --root-directory=sarge-root/ /dev/sda --recheck (it's Etch now btw, the dir is just called that way) |
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| 14:56.27 | dromer | I'd like to see if it boots ok now .. |
| 14:56.45 | eifzon | Install the following packages: |
| 14:56.46 | eifzon | sudo-ldap [1.6.8p12-4 (stable)] |
| 14:56.50 | eifzon | stew: is that the one? |
| 14:56.51 | dromer | stew: # groot=(hd0,0) |
| 14:57.06 | stew | dromer: and what is in device.map for hd0 ? |
| 14:57.30 | stew | eifzon: "sudo" |
| 14:57.56 | dromer | stew: (hd0) /dev/hda |
| 14:57.59 | stew | ok |
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| 14:58.28 | stew | dromer: i forget what error 15 means, you'll have to look that up, it might be in /usr/share/doc/grub or you might have to install grub-doc |
| 14:58.49 | eifzon | stew: huh? |
| 14:58.54 | SpeedyG | is it possible to generate an overview of all installed packages using apt/aptitude ? |
| 14:58.55 | H2S04 | DZ |
| 14:59.03 | dromer | stew: 15 : File not found This error is returned if the specified file name cannot be found, but everything else (like the disk/partition info) is OK. |
| 14:59.07 | stew | eifzon: no, the package you want to install is not "sudo-ldap" it is "sudo" |
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| 14:59.52 | stew | dromer: which device is mounted to sargeroot? |
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| 14:59.58 | stew | err sarge-root |
| 15:00.07 | dromer | stew: /dev/sda1 |
| 15:00.21 | dromer | stew: ok, it's loading now :D |
| 15:00.28 | Sl1ck | 'yo |
| 15:00.33 | dromer | stew: the install from outside the chroot (my desktop) went ok :) |
| 15:00.33 | eifzon | hmm, now all my things is removing :P |
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| 15:00.42 | eifzon | how do i reinstall em? |
| 15:00.44 | eifzon | stew: :S |
| 15:00.45 | stew | SpeedyG: aptitude search '~i' |
| 15:00.52 | dromer | stew: now to see if this 2.6.18-4-486 kernel wil load ;) |
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| 15:00.54 | fungo | how could i install ansi header files? XD |
| 15:00.55 | SpeedyG | stew: thanks :) |
| 15:01.21 | stew | fungo: which? you mean ansi c? like, for example stdio.h? |
| 15:01.34 | fungo | yes |
| 15:01.41 | stew | fungo: aptitude install build-essential |
| 15:01.41 | fungo | scrollup.c:1:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory |
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| 15:01.46 | dromer | stew: gah, out of memory :/ I got this on debian etch before .. and I was hopeing this debootstrap would give me a minimal install with little memory use :( |
| 15:02.00 | fungo | thx |
| 15:02.07 | dromer | stew: that's why I wanted to try woody and sarge |
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| 15:02.48 | stew | dromer: can you really not find a 64m chip to drop into that laptop to bring it up to a more reasonalbe amount of memory? |
| 15:03.20 | eifzon | stew: how to get them back? |
| 15:03.29 | g0rd0n | i feel so screwed |
| 15:03.29 | stew | eifzon: get what back? |
| 15:03.33 | dromer | stew: not really, I think a friend thought to have a 32mb thing, but not sure if it would fit in this thing .. haven't gotten it open yet either :P |
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| 15:03.49 | eifzon | first i did apt-get remove sudo |
| 15:03.53 | g00se | fdisk -l or sfdisk -l not producing any output even as root - why not? |
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| 15:03.55 | eifzon | then many programs were removed :S |
| 15:03.57 | eifzon | then i did aptitude purge sudo ; aptitude install sudo ; |
| 15:04.06 | wols_ | dromer: how much memory do you have? |
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| 15:04.30 | dromer | wols_: 16mb |
| 15:04.52 | wols_ | ouch |
| 15:04.56 | wols_ | use DSL |
| 15:04.56 | dromer | hehe |
| 15:05.04 | dromer | wols_: tried, got kernel panics :/ |
| 15:05.16 | dromer | wols_: do you know if dsl can do debootstrap ? |
| 15:05.23 | mosty | i'm looking for some info on configuring hylafax, i want to write the sent fax info in xferfaxlog to a database instead of (or in addition) to a database. i'd prefer to do it directly from scripts called by hylafax and not by polling its output. anyone know how do that? |
| 15:05.24 | dromer | wols_: then I'm willing to try ;) |
| 15:05.25 | wols_ | I'd use a custom kernel |
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| 15:05.37 | wols_ | dromer: no clue |
| 15:05.42 | dromer | wols_: how would I go about moking my own kernel .. ? |
| 15:06.11 | BotaniCar | dromer: don't do that to yourself :) |
| 15:06.11 | dromer | wols_: I like debootstrap because I don't want to reboot to install anything to this disk, very very anoying :/ |
| 15:06.14 | wols_ | isntall kernel-package. then look at /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/ |
| 15:06.22 | dromer | BotaniCar: well, I want this laptop to work ! |
| 15:06.35 | eifzon | stew: so how can i get the removed packages back? |
| 15:06.42 | wols_ | make a monolithic kernel without initrd |
| 15:07.06 | dromer | wols_: could I do that with this install ? |
| 15:07.08 | wols_ | your motto is: every bit counts :). but prepared to do a lot of trial and error if you don't know how to compile kernels in the first place |
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| 15:07.20 | stew | eifzon: "aptitude install pacakgename" what did you remove? |
| 15:07.24 | wols_ | don't install on the machine. install somewhere else and transfer an image |
| 15:07.30 | dromer | wols_: hah, it's been trial&error this far ;) |
| 15:07.37 | eifzon | stew: i did a apt-get remove sudo |
| 15:07.40 | eifzon | then many things removed :P |
| 15:07.49 | eifzon | like gedit |
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| 15:07.53 | eifzon | like 50+ packages |
| 15:08.02 | dromer | wols_: yeah ok, but I could do it with the current etch install? or should I install dsl and then install a different kernel? |
| 15:08.06 | stew | oh jeez |
| 15:08.29 | stew | eifzon: yeah, you shouldn't have let aptitude remove them if you wanted them |
| 15:08.41 | eifzon | ok |
| 15:08.42 | eifzon | what to do+ |
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| 15:12.52 | eifzon | stew: do i have to uninstall? |
| 15:13.00 | stew | eifzon: uninstall what? |
| 15:13.09 | eifzon | *reinstall debian |
| 15:13.12 | stew | no |
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| 15:13.43 | stew | eifzon: you can use /var/log/aptitude to figure out what you just uninstalled, and reinstall it |
| 15:15.09 | stoned | hey im at work |
| 15:15.18 | stoned | :D |
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| 15:16.00 | eifzon | http://pastebin.ca/593773 stew |
| 15:16.07 | eifzon | can i reinstall em in just (one) command? |
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| 15:18.23 | liable | stoned: so go do some work, not waste your first day on irc! :P |
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| 15:20.02 | rahul | heh |
| 15:20.06 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 15:20.06 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 15:20.09 | rahul | stoned: congrats! |
| 15:20.39 | eifzon | stew: you know how to restore em? |
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| 15:23.17 | dwschool | i'm having a huge amount of bandwidth going through my debian box and i'm trying to figure out where it's going, i have two interfaces, one external and one internal, what is the easiest way to do this? |
| 15:23.36 | dwschool | i would like to be able to monitor bandwidth per ip |
| 15:23.56 | karmatronic | dwschool: netstat |
| 15:24.12 | eifzon | stew: you know? |
| 15:24.17 | petemc | dwschool: i use ipac-ng, its ok |
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| 15:32.55 | dwschool | is there any way to stop p2p traffic |
| 15:33.23 | cahoot | pull the cable |
| 15:33.29 | dwschool | other than that |
| 15:33.41 | dwschool | i'm about ready to do that |
| 15:33.52 | jelly-home | stop all traffic except known good |
| 15:33.54 | rahul | fucking ASSweasel |
| 15:33.59 | rahul | keeps crashing my X server |
| 15:34.19 | rahul | I have to ctrl-c it because it's wedged, and then my X server dies |
| 15:34.36 | jelly-home | rahul: use windows :-D |
| 15:34.42 | petemc | dwschool: its possible to block some of it, using l7 filtering |
| 15:34.50 | rahul | !penixstrike jelly-home |
| 15:34.51 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking jelly-home to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 15:34.59 | flami | dwschool, block any port exect 80 ... ( though i got past this in school by seeting up a vpn to my box ;) ) |
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| 15:35.23 | Exy | What exactly is the difference between a Penix and a Penis? |
| 15:35.42 | jelly-home | !penix |
| 15:35.42 | dpkg | i guess penix is a highly sophisticated eggdrop bot, thought to be the predecessor of SkyNet, or madly in love with NewOS, or a crack whore, or my hero, or a Theo-loving hippy, or wants to have Alan Cox's baby. A sexy bitch. http://penix.mine.nu/images/gamp.jpg, or 'I don't exist. I live in a world that you cannot even imagine. full of gamp, fast cars, beautiful women and hardware', or a regular extra on Kingswood Country, or the shiznit, or a US Marine |
| 15:35.43 | flami | penix = pen0r penis= school book |
| 15:36.33 | Kevin` | it's possible to block almost all p2p traffic just by blocking the common ports people use |
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| 15:36.50 | petemc | lots of p2p apps will use any port available |
| 15:36.55 | Kevin` | dwschool what sort of school are you at that p2p traffic is common, obviously not a high school? |
| 15:37.19 | flami | Kevin`, depends on what kind of place you are ;) if 99% of the people are geeks this doesnt help |
| 15:37.55 | Kevin` | if my collage blocked everything except port 80 I would complain to the management then probably notify the IT folk I complained to the management :) |
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| 15:38.59 | flami | yes we did that too , but then they didnt give a shit , we just build up our own "network" with all our dedicateds serves ^^, all via port 80 |
| 15:39.18 | Kevin` | they will eventually install a proxy |
| 15:39.31 | Kevin` | if you let them continue like that :) |
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| 15:39.54 | Kevin` | it is VERY possible to filter all non web traffic out, except for huge kludges |
| 15:39.57 | jelly-home | Eh, I'd just bandwidth limit the kids and let them leech if they really want it that bad |
| 15:40.00 | stew | eifzon: aptitude install package1 pacakge2 package3... |
| 15:40.12 | Kevin` | jelly-home perhaps you should use QOS |
| 15:40.19 | eifzon | stew: did a apt-get install gnome |
| 15:40.20 | eifzon | again |
| 15:40.27 | dwschool | jelly-home, what software would you use for that? |
| 15:40.38 | petemc | squid delay pools |
| 15:40.45 | Kevin` | give interactive stuff like ssh and ipphone high priority, p2p stuff low priority, and everything else in between |
| 15:40.54 | jelly-home | dwschool: I'm using the cbq.init script at present, it's quite simple |
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| 15:41.04 | dwschool | what does it do |
| 15:41.29 | jelly-home | dwschool: limits traffic to and from certain local addresses |
| 15:41.33 | Kevin` | petemc squid delay pools only work with squid.. |
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| 15:41.55 | erik__ | when I click on a folder icon in GNOME, that folder opens in a new window. How can I let it open in the same window ? |
| 15:42.00 | jelly-home | dwschool: package "shaper" in debian |
| 15:42.05 | h3sp4wn | if squid is the only way out though then its fine |
| 15:42.08 | petemc | Kevin`: that surprises you? |
| 15:42.10 | edlang | /who benc |
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| 15:42.12 | edlang | nm. |
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| 15:43.12 | Kevin` | petemc no, but it would force all traffic to go through squid |
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| 15:43.15 | Kevin` | squid can't handle everything |
| 15:43.20 | Kevin` | the protocols |
| 15:43.22 | liable | erik__: preferences-behaviour-always open in browser |
| 15:44.43 | erik__ | liable: gracias. |
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| 15:45.24 | Mind | hello! |
| 15:45.26 | humbolto | what is the latest debian kernel recompilation routine? |
| 15:45.30 | g00se | Best way to show installed size of packages? |
| 15:46.02 | Kevin` | humbolto unless your using an initrd for some special purpose you know you can just do it in the standard linux way right? |
| 15:46.47 | flami | g00se, dpkg -l |
| 15:46.54 | flami | size ? |
| 15:47.08 | flami | darn sorry didnt quite read it all |
| 15:47.19 | harpal | how can I find which driver are appropriate for kernel compilation |
| 15:47.30 | Mind | who instal irda on Debian? |
| 15:47.36 | petemc | dpkg-query shows size |
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| 15:47.54 | harpal | so I can select onlt those while compilation |
| 15:49.11 | g00se | petemc: Thanks. Something like dpkg-query -s mysql-server-5.0 | grep "^Installed-Size" ? |
| 15:49.12 | humbolto | Kevin`: I would like to create a linux-image package. |
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| 15:49.32 | humbolto | What is the right question for the dpkg IRC bot? |
| 15:49.49 | jelly-home | !tell humbolto about make-kpkg |
| 15:51.01 | petemc | g00se: you can do it without having to use grep, but if that works for you.. |
| 15:51.45 | harpal | how to make deb file from source |
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| 15:51.56 | harpal | any one know that |
| 15:52.04 | Mind | irda and |
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| 15:53.18 | alesan | hi which package should I install to keep the time accurate (NSLU2) |
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| 15:56.45 | kbrooks | A QUESTION. |
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| 15:56.51 | jelly-home | alesan: if you have debian on the machine, openntpd or chrony or ntpd |
| 15:57.01 | speeves | kbrooks: please don't shout :) |
| 15:57.14 | jelly-home | kbrooks: an answer. |
| 15:57.15 | alesan | jelly, of course I have debian :) why should I ask here otherwise?? |
| 15:57.20 | kbrooks | How do I find out, without apt-file, what package is owned by a certain file. |
| 15:58.14 | kbrooks | because apt-file is SLOW. |
| 15:58.14 | smacnay | Anyone know if linux supports the floppy drives with the card readers built in? |
| 15:58.14 | jelly-home | alesan: there's all sorts of strange folks that ask here but don't actually use this OS |
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| 15:58.15 | cahoot | kbrooks, packages.debian.org |
| 15:58.32 | kbrooks | cahoot, command line please. |
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| 15:59.58 | speeves | for example |
| 16:00.00 | alesan | jelly-home, I have installed ntp but it seems I do not have the client |
| 16:00.00 | kbrooks | speeves, -S works? you SURE? |
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| 16:00.24 | kbrooks | speeves, ok, thx. |
| 16:00.55 | liable | only for installed packages |
| 16:01.07 | kbrooks | speeves, and if i ever need to, how do i revert a file to the packaged version without reinstalling the package? |
| 16:01.20 | alesan | jelly-home, I have installed ntp and ntpdate. Are those wrong packages? |
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| 16:01.52 | cahoot | alesan, isn't there a ntp-client-simple or such? |
| 16:02.03 | alesan | cahoot, I have no idea :( |
| 16:02.13 | alesan | I am now installing rdate |
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| 16:02.51 | jelly-home | alesan: ntp is ok |
| 16:02.58 | alesan | how do I uninstall a package from the command line? |
| 16:03.04 | flami | to use ntp just install the ntp package , change the ntp servers in the /etc/ntp ( i thinks that the name) restart it , and try ntpq -p and if there is something with * it works |
| 16:03.35 | flami | ntp works without a problem for me |
| 16:03.50 | frank | it is /etc/ntp.conf |
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| 16:11.35 | harpal | how can I know how much data transfer takes place |
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| 16:12.48 | stew | harpal: /sbin/ifconfig will show you RX bytes and TX bytes, if that's what you mean |
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| 16:13.57 | karmatronic | harpal: if you use gnome , theres an applet |
| 16:14.23 | simonrvn | those poor gnomes, i bet they feel so used and abused |
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| 16:16.43 | anapivirtua_ | cya |
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| 16:17.05 | JoshX | hello.. my debian install just broke after a dist-upgrade.. |
| 16:17.42 | JoshX | it tried upgrading Preparing to replace libc6 2.3.6.ds1-11 (using .../archives/libc6_2.5-11_i386.deb) ... |
| 16:17.42 | ksdncv | hello, have a hid device that simulates keyboard, is there a way to remap keys only for that device without affecting normal keyboard? have been searching that without success for some time, may be its not even possible ? |
| 16:17.42 | JoshX | and then all hell broke loose |
| 16:17.43 | JoshX | anyone have an idea how to resolve this? |
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| 16:22.54 | eifzon | how can i get nvidia-glx-new into my apt-get |
| 16:24.49 | ksdncv | eifzon isnt that an ubuntu package ? |
| 16:24.58 | eifzon | ksdncv: maybe :P |
| 16:25.12 | flami | glx-new? |
| 16:25.25 | eifzon | what drivers shall i get for my Asus GeForce 7950GT then? |
| 16:25.31 | ksdncv | dont know what this -new is, but normal nvidia-glx exists on debian |
| 16:25.47 | ksdncv | normal nvidia-glx |
| 16:26.37 | peregrine007 | hey all, debina etch is hanging my ibm eseries 330, please see my post, can you help me disable agp? |
| 16:26.39 | peregrine007 | http://www.debian-administration.org/users/rsteuer/weblog/1#comment_14 |
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| 16:28.18 | peregrine007 | thats on first boot after install |
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| 16:32.13 | magicsmoke | could someone help me copy from the clipboard into putty |
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| 16:32.50 | magicsmoke | i have tried : right clicking in the putty window left clicking in the putty window both right and left as well as middle clickingb |
| 16:32.59 | magicsmoke | none of which works |
| 16:33.26 | magicsmoke | is their a keyboard shortcut for copy in gnome |
| 16:33.33 | Ronin | magicsmoke: ctrl v ? |
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| 16:33.57 | magicsmoke | no joy |
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| 16:34.30 | sn- | magicsmoke are you using gnome terminal? |
| 16:34.35 | sn- | to paste to putty, or vice versa |
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| 16:34.51 | sn- | in putty highlighting the text should be enough to put it in the copy buffer |
| 16:34.58 | sn- | then ctrl+v or shift+insert to paste |
| 16:35.10 | sn- | gnome-terminal you may have to right click the highlighted text > copy |
| 16:35.13 | magicsmoke | I am trying to paste from a text file opened in abiword to putty |
| 16:35.48 | sn- | so copy in abiword, then shift+insert in putty |
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| 16:37.12 | magicsmoke | thanks sn- |
| 16:37.19 | sn- | your welcome |
| 16:37.26 | magicsmoke | this worked only when i connected via telnet |
| 16:37.41 | magicsmoke | for some reason ssh connection didnt like shift instert |
| 16:37.49 | sn- | strange, might be your putty config? |
| 16:38.08 | magicsmoke | very likely the cause - where would i look |
| 16:38.29 | sn- | im not sure :-) sorry |
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| 16:39.38 | qrck | what's icecream good for ? |
| 16:40.03 | qrck | cross compiling ? |
| 16:40.21 | stew | "icecream is a non-interactive stream download utility." |
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| 16:41.40 | qrck | hä? it tells me it's a distributed compiler to compile programs over a icecream cluster ... |
| 16:41.48 | peregrine007 | is there an expert on the debian boot process who can disable agpgart and other individual drivers who wants to make $50 on paypal? |
| 16:41.51 | stew | qrck: what is "it" |
| 16:41.55 | alesan | how can I serach for packages? I want to install gdlib but I can't find the name of the package. |
| 16:41.57 | peregrine007 | :) |
| 16:42.03 | qrck | stew: icecc |
| 16:42.09 | stew | qrck: i just looked at "apt-cache show icecream" |
| 16:42.13 | qrck | oh |
| 16:42.14 | qrck | ok |
| 16:42.17 | qrck | i manpaged |
| 16:42.18 | wols_ | peregrine007: do you know about the blacklist factoid? |
| 16:42.33 | wols_ | alesan: libgd. gd for php? |
| 16:42.42 | wols_ | !tell alesan about search |
| 16:42.46 | peregrine007 | yes, i blacklisted (added to modprob.d/blacklist several entries, including 'blacklist agpgart' and they still load |
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| 16:43.03 | qrck | i think i don't need it ... |
| 16:43.04 | qrck | bah |
| 16:43.05 | wols_ | !tell peregrine007 about blacklist |
| 16:43.11 | qrck | nother thing to remove |
| 16:43.15 | stew | peregrine007: does agpgart show up in /etc/modules? |
| 16:43.22 | alesan | wols_, a apt-cache search gd return too many results :( |
| 16:43.22 | wols_ | peregrine007: read about the initrd too |
| 16:43.25 | harpal | any one know any software which shows me how much data transfered to perticular ip |
| 16:43.31 | peregrine007 | the article says other things can load drivers, but doesn't tell how to find out what other things are loading :) |
| 16:43.32 | wols_ | alesan: answer my question |
| 16:43.53 | alesan | wols_, I do not understand it. I just want to install libgd, do you know such lib? |
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| 16:43.58 | peregrine007 | checking /etc/modules, initrd, stand by |
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| 16:44.55 | stew | peregrine007: you can always move the .ko from /lib/modules/$(uname -r), run depmod, and rebuild your initrd. if the module isn't in /lib/modules (or it isn't named foo.ko) it can't be loaded |
| 16:44.55 | harpal | any one has any idea? |
| 16:45.40 | stray_ | alesan, try apt-file (apt-get install apt-file first) |
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| 16:46.03 | stray_ | alesan, http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/findfile.htm |
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| 16:46.21 | alesan | stray_, wols_ I have found libgd2-xmp or libgd2-noxpm |
| 16:46.22 | stew | harpal: look up iptables accounting |
| 16:47.08 | brickbrite | hi folks! trying to get vpnc going - it can't open /dev/net/tun (10,200), reports ENODEV despite module ipip being loaded. any suggestions? |
| 16:47.27 | stew | brickbrite: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:47.29 | stoned | now I'm at home |
| 16:47.35 | stoned | this is a cool job |
| 16:47.50 | brickbrite | stew, kernel 2.6.19.1 |
| 16:47.59 | peregrine007 | stew: /etc/modules has comments and loop is the only line |
| 16:47.59 | harpal | stew: I am using iptables but accounting? |
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| 16:48.17 | stew | harpal: i don't understand the question |
| 16:48.32 | brickbrite | what is the way to test the connection between major/minor 10,200 and the "device" it refers to? |
| 16:48.47 | stew | brickbrite: does it work with a debian kernel? |
| 16:49.05 | harpal | stew: you told me lookup iptables accounting |
| 16:49.10 | peregrine007 | reading man initrd |
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| 16:49.15 | harpal | what you tring to tell mw |
| 16:49.19 | harpal | *me |
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| 16:49.22 | brickbrite | stew, no idea, i've only have home-compiled kernels for the past decade |
| 16:49.38 | stew | harpal: to lookup how to do accounting with iptables, google for "iptables+accounting" |
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| 16:50.29 | harpal | ok |
| 16:50.46 | stew | brickbrite: does your kernel have tun/tap enabled? |
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| 16:51.47 | stew | brickbrite: can you "modprobe tun" |
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| 16:52.00 | harpal | stew: thanx |
| 16:52.07 | harpal | thats what I wont |
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| 16:53.41 | peregrine007 | hey, I'm assuming since agpgart is the last thing that loads before hang, and this is a old server that doesn't have agp, disabling agp and sticking with pci might solve my hang. how do i disable agpgart for sure |
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| 16:54.47 | ponyofdeath | hi, where can i find what tweaks are done to the debian kernel for server use? like i/o schedulers and other such settings / patches? |
| 16:55.14 | stew | peregrine007: move/rename the .ko so it can't be loaded |
| 16:55.23 | peregrine007 | ok |
| 16:55.59 | stew | peregrine007: but if it already exists in the initrd, it wouldn't be automatically removed from the initrd, of course, you'd have to rebuid it |
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| 17:00.25 | dragonfly | hi all, I'm using the etch amd64 netinst cd to install on a server with 4 WD250 SATA hd's and a 3ware Raid controller in RAID10 configuration....when i get to the partitioner, it freezes at 33%....any ideas? |
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| 17:04.06 | peregrine007 | i mv'ed agpgart.do to agpgart.do.disabled, ran depmod, looking up rebuilding initrd |
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| 17:04.32 | stew | peregrine007: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$whateverversion |
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| 17:05.56 | tralala | peregrine007, normally you should only blacklist it |
| 17:06.04 | gumpish | Is there a way to specify a custom mirror to use during net-installation? |
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| 17:06.30 | Maliuta | gumpish: there is an option to manually enter the mirror to use |
| 17:06.43 | Maliuta | gumpish: it's right there in the mirror list |
| 17:06.55 | Maliuta | I believe it's close to the top too |
| 17:06.55 | peregrine007 | tralala, even tho i added 'blacklist agpgart' to modprobe.d/blacklist, it still loads. there is mention that other drivers can load it, but no mention of how to discover what loads what |
| 17:06.56 | gumpish | Oh yeah, up at the top |
| 17:07.00 | gumpish | thanks. |
| 17:07.10 | Maliuta | eyes - open |
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| 17:07.21 | peregrine007 | stew: thanks. you have wetwarwe installed i bet |
| 17:07.30 | peregrine007 | wetware* |
| 17:07.34 | gumpish | -_- |
| 17:07.54 | stew | and wetware is what? a brain? |
| 17:08.12 | stew | or the hardware that talks to my brain? |
| 17:08.14 | peregrine007 | chips in his brain, i.e. he knows more than a mortal should |
| 17:08.29 | stew | i'm hoping to not be mortal, but only time will tell |
| 17:08.49 | tralala | peregrine007, lsmod will show which modules use it so you can blacklist them too |
| 17:09.01 | Maliuta | feh, I died once already ... it's not that bad |
| 17:09.09 | peregrine007 | $whateverversion = 2-6-18-4-686 for etch im thinking |
| 17:09.15 | frankr | how do I redirect stderr to stdout on cmd line |
| 17:09.18 | Maliuta | mortality is highly overrated |
| 17:09.22 | stew | tralala: except his machien crashes as soon as agpgart loads, so he can't later run lsmod |
| 17:09.26 | peregrine007 | er 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 17:09.31 | tralala | and if it's loaded by the initrd (not very likely imo) you can tell yaird to not use it too |
| 17:09.33 | Maliuta | frank: 2>&1 |
| 17:09.38 | stew | but yeah, there should be a way to figure out what things depend on agpgart |
| 17:09.46 | tralala | stew, oh! |
| 17:09.56 | damog | i thought stderr was already going to stdout if nothing special was specified? |
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| 17:10.10 | Maliuta | frankr: as in `ls -R 2>&1` |
| 17:10.12 | stew | actually modules.dep is the place to figure that out |
| 17:10.38 | tralala | damog, it goes to the associated tty not stdout |
| 17:10.45 | Maliuta | damog: that depends on what you have set earlier, stdout may not be a tty |
| 17:10.54 | damog | oh, alright |
| 17:11.05 | Maliuta | damog: and stderr will usually default to a tty |
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| 17:11.56 | rgl | hi |
| 17:11.56 | furrywolf | I've told dselect to hold openoffice at its current version, which it's doing... but it still keeps trying to drag in the dependencies the newer version would require. |
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| 17:12.27 | furrywolf | I don't want to install a whole bunch of java crap, and the version of openoffice I have doesn't need it, but dselect keeps wanting it. :) |
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| 17:12.32 | alesan | is there a way to understand which runlevel I am now? |
| 17:12.43 | furrywolf | alesan: define understand. |
| 17:12.49 | stew | furrywolf: what command are you trying to use? |
| 17:12.52 | alesan | furrywolf, in which runlevel am I now? |
| 17:12.56 | stew | alesan: /sbin/runlevel |
| 17:13.02 | Maliuta | alesan: ls /etc/rc?.d |
| 17:13.06 | furrywolf | alesan: just run runlevel |
| 17:13.13 | Maliuta | ls -l for more "understanding" |
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| 17:13.25 | alesan | Maliuta, what are you saying? |
| 17:13.39 | peregrine007 | doh i aborted boot process with init=/bin/sh in boot param to get shell, boot folder is empty, and mount /boot no good, what am i missing? |
| 17:13.47 | alesan | # runlevel |
| 17:13.47 | alesan | N 2 |
| 17:13.52 | alesan | it seems runlevel 2? |
| 17:13.54 | stew | yes |
| 17:13.57 | Maliuta | if you are in runlevel 3 (the debian defualt) ls -l /etc/rc3.d will give you "understanding" |
| 17:14.01 | peregrine007 | whoami -r |
| 17:14.18 | alesan | Maliuta, I want to know which runlevel I am |
| 17:14.19 | stew | Maliuta: but his question is how to know what runlevel he is in, not what is started in that runlevel |
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| 17:14.24 | peregrine007 | not whoami... |
| 17:14.28 | Maliuta | alesan: "?" is regex for a character substitution |
| 17:14.38 | furrywolf | stew: I went to install a package with dselect, which I hadn't done in a while, and it tried to upgrade openoffice, which I do not wish to do (1.1.* was usable. 2.* is completely unusable). even after holding ('=') all openoffice packages, dselect keeps insisting on dragging in the 186MB of extra dependencies the new version of openoffice needs, even without installing said new version. |
| 17:14.40 | stew | Maliuta: this all has nothing to do with his question |
| 17:14.48 | cahoot | Maliuta, 2 is default - no? |
| 17:14.49 | tralala | peregrine007, are you using lvm, raid or any other "special" partitions? |
| 17:15.00 | Asad2005 | what would be the best choice for backing up a small home server (home folder, samba PDC..etc) ? Is rsync ok or tar |
| 17:15.06 | alesan | Maliuta, "?" is just bash globbing, not a regex |
| 17:15.14 | Maliuta | stew: the question, as posed was |
| 17:15.16 | Maliuta | <alesan> is there a way to understand which runlevel I am now? |
| 17:15.18 | Kevin` | you can actually boot directly from md raid, with autodetection |
| 17:15.24 | tralala | !alesan++ |
| 17:15.34 | stew | Maliuta: the answer to the question was "run /sbin/runlevel" |
| 17:15.35 | Maliuta | alesan: tell that to sed |
| 17:15.45 | alesan | tralala, :) |
| 17:15.45 | peregrine007 | tralala lvm on a 30gb ide drive |
| 17:15.47 | Maliuta | ls works just aswell |
| 17:15.59 | stew | Maliuta: how can i see which runlevel i'm at using ls? |
| 17:16.13 | alesan | steve, thank you. so debian has level 2 as standard? or is it only because I'm running it on a NSLU2? |
| 17:16.23 | stew | furrywolf: if you look at "dpkg -l packagename" for one of the packages it wants to install, what is in the first column |
| 17:16.24 | Maliuta | the question was not "how do I determine which runlevel I am in?" or "how do I change my runlevel?" |
| 17:16.37 | stew | alesan: debian has 2 as the default |
| 17:16.38 | Maliuta | lets get pedantic here, we _are_ supposed to be geeks |
| 17:16.45 | tralala | peregrine007, does your pc crash when booting in rescue mode? |
| 17:17.16 | alesan | stew, ok thank you good thing to know. |
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| 17:17.59 | peregrine007 | yes, rescue mode hangs me |
| 17:18.08 | peregrine007 | unless i boot to cd |
| 17:18.47 | tralala | peregrine007, what's currently mounted? |
| 17:19.03 | furrywolf | stew: hrmm, doesn't have columns, rather a bunch of error-type statuses that would be too long to paste here. :) |
| 17:19.14 | stew | furrywolf: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:19.35 | stew | furrywolf: or run "dpkg -l | awk '/packagename/{print $1}' " |
| 17:19.38 | furrywolf | sec, trying prodding dselect more right now... |
| 17:19.42 | peregrine007 | stew: i cant dpkg until i mount /boot, i was able to run 'mount /boot' in ubuntu 7.04 server, what is the equivalent here? |
| 17:20.07 | furrywolf | the only thing that resembles a column would be "pn" |
| 17:20.27 | peregrine007 | tralala: /dev/hdc /dev/mapper/myname-root/, /dev/hda1 ... |
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| 17:20.41 | stew | peregrine007: "mount /boot" as long as /boot is a separate partition and is listed in /etc/fstab |
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| 17:21.15 | furrywolf | woot, think I made dselect happy. :) |
| 17:21.21 | stew | furrywolf: ok, that's fine, im guessing that for at least one of thesee packages, you'll find an 'in' instead of a 'pn' |
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| 17:21.40 | peregrine007 | hmm mount /boot worked that time, dpkg running! hooray |
| 17:21.57 | repyskichboarder | Buondì |
| 17:21.58 | furrywolf | ='ed some more openoffice packages (everything that matched *openoffice*), then went through and manually -'ed everything that had gotten selected. |
| 17:22.03 | peregrine007 | a bunch of text scrolled quickly without any linux profanities, i think it worked |
| 17:22.04 | plb | I have a machine set up to be a offsite backup for another machine. It needs to be able to connect over the internet once a week and perform a backup of only changed files. Anyone have any suggestions on a program to accomplish this |
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| 17:22.26 | peregrine007 | rsync |
| 17:22.30 | peregrine007 | yay i answered one |
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| 17:22.43 | furrywolf | plb: sounds like rsync |
| 17:22.45 | plb | can rsync be set to only copy changed files? |
| 17:22.50 | furrywolf | yes |
| 17:23.01 | furrywolf | that's the whole point of it, really. :) |
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| 17:23.54 | plb | ok then :-P how about if in the future the bosses decide they want to keep the last N revisions of a file on the offsite backup |
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| 17:24.05 | peregrine007 | ITS ALIVE, ITS ALIVE!!!! Thank you all |
| 17:24.13 | tralala | plb, svn |
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| 17:24.39 | furrywolf | second question... after upgrading to the latest stable, fonts are horribly broken. every reasonable font-related package is installed, but most programs can't find any fonts, or won't run at all... |
| 17:25.05 | Asad2005 | back up solution command line ? what's best |
| 17:25.06 | Lukian | Probing IDE interface ide2... 8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.28 <- Don't you love it when linux says your box is "too fast"? :D |
| 17:25.21 | plb | svn as a backup utility... hrm |
| 17:25.25 | stew | plb: look into a backup system based on rsync, like backuppc/dirvish/rdiff-backup |
| 17:25.41 | furrywolf | for example, trying to use one of imagemagick's commands... display: unable to load font `-*-helvetica-medium-r-normal--12-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1'. what do I need to install to make fonts work again? :) |
| 17:26.05 | stew | i don't think anyone ever accused a 8139 of beeing 'too fast' |
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| 17:26.20 | furrywolf | that I'll agree with. heh. |
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| 17:26.35 | furrywolf | too buggy, too slow, too broken, on the other hand... :) |
| 17:26.54 | Lukian | My X fonts just went tiny this boot, what do I need to change (in xorg.conf ?) to fix them |
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| 17:26.55 | Kevin` | i've had good luck with those things, actually |
| 17:26.56 | draeath | Anyone know how to get firefox to stop complaining about missing plugins every time it sees flash? There IS no flash for my arch... |
| 17:27.20 | xand | is it normal for wodim to cause my load average to increase to ~7? |
| 17:27.45 | Kevin` | draeath which arch are you using, for my own curiosity |
| 17:27.51 | draeath | Kevin`, amd64 |
| 17:28.02 | stew | draeath: what version of debian? |
| 17:28.03 | Kevin` | there's no flash for intel 64 bit? |
| 17:28.10 | Kevin` | that's odd. |
| 17:28.16 | Kevin` | I was thinking something like arm ;) |
| 17:28.28 | stew | there are flash plugins for both amd64 and arm |
| 17:28.35 | draeath | stew, etch |
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| 17:28.43 | Kevin` | stew oh? package name? |
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| 17:28.51 | stew | draeath: there is gnash, but not for etch you could try backporting it: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 17:28.52 | draeath | does it work? ive tried something before but it always segfaulted |
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| 17:29.06 | draeath | its gnash i have tried |
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| 17:29.11 | draeath | i couldn't stop the segfaults :D |
| 17:29.11 | stew | draeath: the big news is that it supports youtube now |
| 17:29.14 | draeath | its no big deal |
| 17:29.15 | plb | I'm reading about Dirvish and it sounds like if I have the last 5 images stored on the backup server and file "A" did not change between versions I'd have five copies of "A" but it'd only transfer it across the net the first time. |
| 17:29.17 | draeath | i don't WANT flash |
| 17:29.34 | furrywolf | life is better without flash. |
| 17:29.49 | furrywolf | gnash doesn't work, and the macromedia plugin is evil in a wide variety of ways. |
| 17:29.54 | draeath | i just want firefox to stop wanting my to search for the plugin :D if there is an amd64 flash, firefox isn't going to find it itself |
| 17:29.55 | plb | draeath: there used to be a firefox plugin that trimmed out flash from the files |
| 17:30.05 | stew | plb: you'd have 1 copy of the file with 5 hardlinks to it, so it would only take up the space of the file once |
| 17:30.07 | Kevin` | stew apt-get install gnash? |
| 17:30.09 | magicsmoke | their still is |
| 17:30.11 | petemc | plb: you dont have 5 copies of A, you have hardlinks to one copy |
| 17:30.16 | stew | Kevin`: yes |
| 17:30.23 | plb | http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ |
| 17:30.24 | petemc | hmm, slow gprs connection |
| 17:30.27 | magicsmoke | look for it on plugindoc called noscript or noflash i forgot which |
| 17:30.42 | draeath | noflash i think |
| 17:30.48 | draeath | noscript is nice but a PITA |
| 17:30.57 | Kevin` | stew yay, now all I need is an X server that works at more then a few frames per second :) |
| 17:31.11 | Kevin` | E: Couldn't find package gnash |
| 17:31.11 | plb | petemc: that's the way I'd do it.. but the dervish site kept on making noise about "complete copies" |
| 17:31.12 | Kevin` | :( |
| 17:31.12 | magicsmoke | is cat /dev/zero /dev/hda god enough to erase a hand drive |
| 17:31.27 | Kevin` | magicsmoke cat /dev/zero >/dev/hda |
| 17:31.35 | Kevin` | for most purposes, yes |
| 17:31.38 | plb | magicsmoke: depends on what you mean by good enough |
| 17:31.42 | stew | or just 'cp /dev/zero /dev/hda' |
| 17:31.47 | magicsmoke | i meant will this work |
| 17:32.00 | plb | magicsmoke: for what purpose? |
| 17:32.14 | magicsmoke | erasing my second hard drive |
| 17:32.18 | stew | magicsmoke: yours wouldn't work, Kevin`'s and mine would, depends on what you mean by "good enough" |
| 17:32.19 | draeath | cant find noflash :D |
| 17:32.22 | draeath | only people talking about it |
| 17:32.27 | plb | magicsmoke: to stop computer forensics experts.. no, to stop the average joe yes |
| 17:32.40 | plb | draeathL http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ |
| 17:32.51 | plb | hrm.. hand slipped the L should be a color |
| 17:32.54 | plb | er... colon |
| 17:33.02 | furrywolf | no ideas on why fonts would be non-working after upgrading to stable? |
| 17:33.08 | draeath | hmm that leaves placeholders |
| 17:33.18 | Kevin` | stew any idea why it's not finding gnash? |
| 17:33.21 | draeath | wonder if you can set it to just strip the tags |
| 17:33.28 | stew | Kevin`: becuase you are running etch and it isn't in etch |
| 17:33.34 | Kevin` | oh |
| 17:33.35 | Kevin` | :( |
| 17:34.01 | Kevin` | any ideas on a small, fast, x server there's a package for? :) |
| 17:34.12 | Kevin` | or not a package for, that takes less then a week to compile |
| 17:34.47 | stew | Kevin`: the only x server in etch is xorg |
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| 17:35.02 | plb | Kevin: x server like ati, nv, vga? xorg? or a wm like gnome? |
| 17:35.28 | Kevin` | plb an x server like xorg, only small for embedded type stuff |
| 17:35.32 | Exy | plb, ati, nv and vga are graphics drivers |
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| 17:35.48 | Ronin | Kevin`: and what is this compiling you talk of? ;) |
| 17:35.51 | plb | Exy: I know... but I wanted to be clear on what he meant |
| 17:36.11 | gumpish | Soooooo during the net install, after yo've selected a mirror and it's on the screen "Retrieving file N of N" it's just sitting here. For like 5 minutes. I don't see any HDD activity. tty4 shows the last package grabbed is whois. |
| 17:36.37 | furrywolf | gumpish: wait longer. |
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| 17:37.04 | furrywolf | your internet / the mirror's internet / etc may have glitched, and it'll give up and retry eventually... |
| 17:37.12 | plb | Kwvin: my suspicion is if Xorg is too bulky for your application you're better off not using X at all |
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| 17:37.41 | Kevin` | plb suggesstions on an alternate gui that supports a reasonable number of applications? |
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| 17:37.49 | Kevin` | Hostname: spitz - OS: Linux 2.6.20/armv5tel - CPU: - Processes: 69 - Uptime: 1d 13h 59m - Load Average: 1.55 - Memory Usage: 14.41MB/60.93MB (23.66%) - Disk Usage: 2.12GB/5.45GB (38.93%) |
| 17:38.20 | Exy | Kevin`, What do you mean "GUI"? X server? Desktop Environment? Window manager? |
| 17:38.28 | sn- | Kevin` on 60meg of ram hmm not sure, maybe fluxbox? |
| 17:38.31 | Kevin` | Exy something that runs pretty programs |
| 17:38.42 | Kevin` | a terminal, a web browser, some games.. |
| 17:38.42 | sn- | or openbox |
| 17:38.45 | sn- | there are many really |
| 17:38.50 | Exy | Kevin`, You probably want Fluxbox then |
| 17:38.55 | Exy | Or upgrade your RAM |
| 17:38.55 | furrywolf | icewm |
| 17:39.01 | Kevin` | the problem isn't the WM, the problem is xorg |
| 17:39.11 | Kevin` | Exy soldered to the board. hard. |
| 17:39.15 | plb | He wants a windowing system for embedded applications |
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| 17:39.29 | Exy | Kevin`, XOrg is the only one around these days that's usable, so you have little choice |
| 17:39.30 | furrywolf | xfree86 runs well on my laptop with 64mb, but haven't tried xorg. |
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| 17:39.57 | furrywolf | I had to stick with xfree86 for a while... the early debian xorg packages were too broken to use, even after xfree86 was removed. |
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| 17:40.14 | cydork | Kevin`: check which x11 does dsl use. iirc it uses xfree86. it runs quite well on hardware like that. |
| 17:40.24 | plb | Does anyone know what the minimum RAM requirements are for Xorg? |
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| 17:40.39 | Kevin` | I was thinking of this, as it seems to be used in this type of thing, but it seems to be a pain to compile: http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/kdrive.html |
| 17:41.09 | furrywolf | there does seem to be a definite lack of a light xserver... I have no use for transparency, compositing, 3d anything, etc... |
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| 17:41.22 | stew | furrywolf: then don't load those extensions |
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| 17:41.45 | furrywolf | stew: xorg is still big. :) |
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| 17:45.35 | Shiver | hi |
| 17:46.13 | Szeraax | hi |
| 17:46.30 | Maerz | where would a program like magicks' convert write its cache ? |
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| 17:46.44 | Shiver | i just tried to downgrade my debian dist from lenny to etch, i changed the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list from testing to etch and tried aptitude update + aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 17:46.50 | Maerz | can i rm the /var/cache/* stuff without danger ? |
| 17:47.02 | Shiver | but still my system is running as lenny/sid... any suggestions for me? |
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| 17:47.21 | Ronin | !downgrade |
| 17:47.21 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 17:47.23 | stew | Maerz: you should be able to remove any file in /var/cache, but you can't necessarily remove directories without breaking stuff |
| 17:47.32 | cahoot | Shiver, be glad it still runs |
| 17:47.41 | Maerz | stew but their content ? |
| 17:47.51 | furrywolf | meerz: I don't think imagemagick uses /var/cache... I always figured it'd use /tmp. |
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| 17:47.57 | Shiver | damn, this is bad |
| 17:47.57 | stew | Maerz: you can delete any file in /var/cache safely |
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| 17:48.08 | furrywolf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:48.39 | Exy | stew, Doesn't apt depend on a folder in there existing? |
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| 17:48.49 | Shiver | problem is, that i've got issues after an update last week... the xorg server can't find the nvidia kernel-module |
| 17:48.53 | stew | Exy: yes. that's why i said you can't remove directories, only files |
| 17:49.00 | Shiver | anyone experienced similiar probs? |
| 17:49.11 | plb | Shiver: did you upgrade the kernel? |
| 17:49.17 | Maerz | furrywolf any idea how to change the path to which convert writes ? it fills my / so fast D: |
| 17:49.54 | Shiver | not in the last update... i did that several weeks before and had similiar issues... but i could solve these |
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| 17:50.21 | plb | Shiver: is the module shown when you lsmod? |
| 17:51.03 | slack101 | http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1729/4356263ub3.jpg |
| 17:51.09 | slack101 | whats my problem |
| 17:51.10 | slack101 | ? |
| 17:51.22 | slack101 | what do i do here ? |
| 17:51.27 | Shiver | plb: not as far, as i can see |
| 17:51.35 | stew | slack101: can you login? |
| 17:51.45 | chapium | i have a video/monitor isssue. When I switch tty's, about 90% of the time i'm left with a scrambled display. Turning the monitor (laptop) on and off *sometimes* fixes it |
| 17:51.59 | plb | Shiver: what happens when you modprobe |
| 17:52.09 | slack101 | steve, do yuou see the screenshot ? |
| 17:52.17 | stew | slack101: yes |
| 17:52.27 | stew | slack101: it ends with a login prompt. can you login? |
| 17:52.28 | slack101 | yes i got a network booted distro on there |
| 17:52.37 | peregrine007 | dammit, system updates replaced my kernel, and replaced agpgart.do, so i reboot and have the same problem? is blacklist supposed to stop this? |
| 17:52.48 | slack101 | stew, i got it booted into network mode now |
| 17:52.50 | stew | slack101: login and run "mount -a" and see what it says |
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| 17:52.55 | slack101 | so i can chroot into the partition if i need too |
| 17:53.07 | stew | slack101: what happens if you try to login at that login probmp? |
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| 17:53.09 | stew | prompt* |
| 17:53.41 | Shiver | plb: looks like the module is still there somehow... do you need the console output? |
| 17:54.03 | alesan | sorry if I come again to this question but I didn't find a propoer solution. Is there a ntp client that automatically checks the clock at boot and then every hour? |
| 17:54.17 | Ronin | alesan: every hour? what on earth for |
| 17:54.27 | alesan | I am using a linksys NSLU2 which it seems doesn't have a hardware clock inside so it can get very wrong |
| 17:54.42 | plb | Shiver: go ahead and pastebin the console output |
| 17:54.49 | alesan | is seems it can loose minutes every hour |
| 17:54.51 | stew | alesan: "aptitude install ntp" it doesn't check every hour, it checks continuously |
| 17:55.04 | slack101 | steve, i did it but it looks like it worked |
| 17:55.05 | plb | Ronin: I've seen systems with a RTC that crappy before :-P |
| 17:55.09 | Shiver | won't work, i'm using another computer for chatting... i'll type it here, just 3 lines |
| 17:55.14 | slack101 | steve, it did not throw any errors |
| 17:55.14 | stew | slack101: please stop calling me steve |
| 17:55.18 | slack101 | sorry |
| 17:55.19 | alesan | stew, I have installed that. how do I start it? |
| 17:55.23 | slack101 | stew, |
| 17:55.34 | stew | slack101: did you try "mount -a"? |
| 17:55.37 | slack101 | yes |
| 17:55.41 | slack101 | it did nothing |
| 17:55.47 | slack101 | i mean it ddint throw any errror |
| 17:55.57 | alesan | stew sorry /etc/init.d/ntp start |
| 17:56.08 | stew | alesan: then it should be started |
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| 17:56.23 | slack101 | stew, im chrooted into it also |
| 17:56.23 | stew | slack101: can you show us the contents of /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 17:56.36 | stew | slack101: no, not when it is chrooted, when it is booted |
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| 17:57.11 | Shiver | plb: |
| 17:57.12 | Shiver | nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. |
| 17:57.12 | Shiver | ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:01:00.0[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 177 |
| 17:57.12 | Shiver | NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module 1.0-8776 Mon Oct 16 21:56:04 PDT 2006 |
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| 17:57.14 | alesan | how do I remove a package? I have installed ntpdate but I think I do no need it |
| 17:57.23 | alesan | not |
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| 17:57.41 | plb | Shiver: does X start now? |
| 17:57.47 | Shiver | why on earth is pasting 4 lines an spam attempt :\ |
| 17:57.47 | plb | Shiver: or still no go? |
| 17:57.52 | Kevin` | alesan apt-get remove ntpdate |
| 17:58.04 | Shiver | did you receive the 4 lines? |
| 17:58.05 | Scurz | hello |
| 17:58.07 | Ronin | Shiver: counted as 6 here but the bots set tight as we've had problems |
| 17:58.13 | plb | Shiver: got 3 |
| 17:58.27 | stew | !tell Shiver about paste |
| 17:58.28 | Shiver | NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module 1.0-8776 Mon Oct 16 21:56:04 PDT 2006 |
| 17:58.32 | Shiver | was the last one |
| 17:58.32 | stew | Shiver: stop |
| 17:58.45 | alesan | Kevin`, thanks, and sorry google had the answer very easly |
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| 17:59.29 | Shiver | stew: i can not paste anyway, as the console output was produced on another pc :\ |
| 17:59.44 | slack101 | stew, i cant booit it .... my datacenter sent me that message ......and said hey we will network boot your server so you can mess wit hthe HD ...so i logged in mounted the HD and chrooted into it |
| 17:59.50 | slack101 | and heres the pastebin |
| 17:59.51 | slack101 | http://phpfi.com/245642 |
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| 18:00.37 | stew | slack101: how did you login at that prompt and type "mount -a" then? |
| 18:00.46 | slack101 | man |
| 18:00.48 | slack101 | i chrooted into it |
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| 18:01.04 | slack101 | you know what a PXE network boot is ? |
| 18:01.06 | stew | slack101: i asked you very specifically twice if you could login at that login prompt and you said you could |
| 18:01.09 | stew | slack101: yes |
| 18:01.17 | slack101 | thats what im in at the moment |
| 18:01.20 | slack101 | sorry for the confusiuon |
| 18:01.28 | Shiver | plb: should i first re-upgrade my system to lenny before trying anything else? |
| 18:01.28 | slack101 | but i can chroot into the drive |
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| 18:01.48 | Mitja | Hi! I'm trying to partition a 250GB SATA laptop disk into 2 fat32 partitions, 3 reiserfs partitions and ext3 the rest, but it won't let me. After I set the fourth partition, it says the remaining space is unusable. How to get around this? |
| 18:01.49 | SoulChild | How to fis this boot message: "PCI: BIOS Bug: MCFG area at e0000000 is not E820-reserved " |
| 18:01.52 | slack101 | and that pastebin is from the filesystem |
| 18:02.05 | plb | Shiver: well you should set it back anyway, but you never really downgraded it.. |
| 18:02.13 | Scurz | If I make "php test.php", this script test.php functions but if I make http://url/test.php, it doesn't function, why ? the script : http://paste.debian.net/31610 It is using mail(), a php function. |
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| 18:02.35 | Shiver | plb: hm, i had to download about 200mb off stuff |
| 18:02.36 | plb | Mitja: Are you making them all physical partitons? |
| 18:03.01 | goodshit | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.02 | Mitja | plb: yes |
| 18:03.08 | Mitja | plb: I think so at least |
| 18:03.24 | plb | Mitja: four is the limit for number of physical partions |
| 18:03.45 | Scurz | any ideas for my problem ? |
| 18:03.51 | plb | Mitja: at least with a dos style partition table |
| 18:03.56 | stew | goodshit: mount -t cifs //computername/sharename /mountpoint |
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| 18:04.19 | slack101 | steve, that mtab is pretty messed up |
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| 18:04.21 | stew | plb: you mean s/physical/primary/ |
| 18:04.22 | slack101 | i think |
| 18:04.29 | Mitja | plb: I have some 8 partitions on older sata disk |
| 18:04.33 | stew | slack101: stop calling me steve |
| 18:04.33 | plb | stew: er.. yes :-P |
| 18:04.36 | slack101 | sorry |
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| 18:04.52 | slack101 | stew, but yea that mtab is pretty messed up huh ? |
| 18:04.52 | dylanB_UCD | hi |
| 18:04.56 | stew | slack101: /etc/mtab is not at all relevant if you aren't actually booted to that system |
| 18:05.15 | Mitja | plb: will debian partition manager write it's own partition table so it will be possible to make more partitions later? |
| 18:05.16 | slack101 | i am booted into it through PXE network boot though |
| 18:05.22 | SoulChild | Mitja: is your real name mitja ? i have a freind with that name :D |
| 18:05.25 | dylanB_UCD | anyone know what would cause a previously working 'testing' system to not be able to install debianutils_2.19 /? |
| 18:05.28 | Mitja | SoulChild: it is |
| 18:05.31 | stew | slack101: what makes you think mtab is messed up? |
| 18:05.32 | Shiver | plb: ok, while i'm doing that... any suggestions from lines i pasted for you? |
| 18:05.38 | stew | slack101: what hard disk controller do you have? |
| 18:05.42 | plb | Shiver: those looked correct |
| 18:05.52 | goodshit | stew thx!! |
| 18:05.58 | SoulChild | Mitja: any idea of the meaning ? it is a russian name, right ? |
| 18:06.02 | goodshit | stew. do i need to install anything on the linux side? say samba? |
| 18:06.03 | slack101 | hardware is not a proiblem |
| 18:06.08 | slack101 | i dont have a tmpfs do i ? |
| 18:06.08 | goodshit | or i can just mount cifs |
| 18:06.08 | plb | Mitja: debian doesn't have a partition table format (or linux for that matter) |
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| 18:06.22 | stew | dylanB_UCD: /msg dpkg bat |
| 18:06.26 | Shiver | plb: i read anything about probs with the latest xorg update and the nvidia kernel mod... heard anything about it? |
| 18:06.29 | Mitja | SoulChild: comes from Dimitrij |
| 18:06.35 | brickbrite | stew, sorry, i was dragged away - i thought ipip was the tunneling module - perhaps i _am_ missing "tun". |
| 18:06.43 | slack101 | stew, that mtab i think is pretty messed up |
| 18:06.43 | Mitja | plb: but how can set up 6 physical partitions? |
| 18:07.15 | slack101 | stew, becasue i dont have no tmpfs ? |
| 18:07.18 | plb | Mitja: I meant to so primary before... You have to set up 3 primaries and a logical... then any partition after the 3rd is a secondary |
| 18:07.19 | stew | goodshit: you might need smbfs , i'm not shure |
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| 18:07.30 | dylanB_UCD | stew, not quite sure what you mean |
| 18:07.37 | plb | er... meant to say |
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| 18:07.41 | stew | brickbrite: no, the docs in /usr/share/doc/vpnc sais it needs tun |
| 18:07.45 | stew | !tell dylanB_UCD about bat |
| 18:07.59 | goodshit | stew. do i have to install smbfs? |
| 18:08.03 | goodshit | is that samba? |
| 18:08.09 | slack101 | noticing it uses mtab to mount all the stuff on start up that would explain this stew |
| 18:08.15 | stew | goodshit: as i said before, i'm not sure |
| 18:08.17 | vulture | Anyone else had new/interesting issues with their nvidia hardware of late? X is failing to start, but not logging any errors. I see some logging in syslog about agpgart trying to go 4x then falling back to 2x. |
| 18:08.21 | brickbrite | stew, thanks for the reference! trying again! |
| 18:08.23 | goodshit | stew. ok thanks buddy |
| 18:08.25 | stew | goodshit: apt-cache show samba |
| 18:08.30 | stew | goodshit: err apt-cache show smbfs |
| 18:08.32 | stew | slack101: if you didn't have tmpfs, it woulnd't show up in mtab |
| 18:08.35 | goodshit | stew. ok thanks buddy |
| 18:08.38 | dylanB_UCD | i see |
| 18:08.45 | stew | slack101: no, mtab is what is mounted already |
| 18:08.47 | slack101 | steve, where would the tmpfs be then ? |
| 18:08.50 | stew | ... |
| 18:08.54 | slack101 | fuck |
| 18:08.57 | slack101 | stew, |
| 18:08.58 | slack101 | stewewq |
| 18:09.11 | peregrine007 | all: i was using blacklist incorrectly, great howto here, would have saved me 2 days |
| 18:09.13 | peregrine007 | http://wiki.debian.org/udev?highlight=%28howto%29%7C%28blacklist%29 |
| 18:09.20 | stew | slack101: tmpfs is memory |
| 18:09.23 | slack101 | stew, well whats your suggestion |
| 18:09.31 | vulture | peregrine007: What was the issue you were trying to solve? (I suspect it's the same one I have) |
| 18:09.40 | slack101 | stew, i need ot get my local file systems to mount |
| 18:09.41 | Shiver | plb: is there any way to "downgrade" to the old xorg package? |
| 18:09.43 | SoulChild | Mitja: ahh thanks for that info ,.. my freind never knew somethign about ,... and what does dimitrij mean |
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| 18:09.56 | peregrine007 | agpgart was hanging with the line 'agpgart: via 133 chipset detected |
| 18:09.59 | stew | slack101: make sure /dev/sda1 is actually the correct device name |
| 18:10.03 | slack101 | iut is |
| 18:10.09 | vulture | peregrine007: Hmm, nope, not what I've got. Oh well. |
| 18:10.19 | stew | slack101: what kind of controller is it? |
| 18:10.22 | slack101 | stew, i partitioned it and everything im not that stupid |
| 18:10.27 | slack101 | sata |
| 18:10.27 | peregrine007 | i can now disable agpgart, and hopefully any other errand driver, with my newfound skillz |
| 18:10.35 | stew | slack101: and what kernel version are you trying to boot? |
| 18:10.42 | slack101 | the one in debian etch |
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| 18:10.54 | plb | Shiver: if it is still in repository you can pretty easily do it in aptitude... by going in to the package details and selecting a different version... with apt directly I don't know, but you can always dpkg -i the package directly |
| 18:11.17 | stew | slack101: and does it have any other scsi / usb / ide devices that could be grabbing the /dev/sda name and moving /dev/sda to /dev/sdb or /dev/sdc? |
| 18:11.20 | plb | slack101: uname -a |
| 18:11.34 | stew | slack101: and is the sata driver in the initrd? |
| 18:11.37 | slack101 | stew, how can i check this |
| 18:11.43 | slack101 | i dont knwo |
| 18:11.48 | stew | i guess it must be, or else you woulnd't get to a login: prompt |
| 18:11.55 | slack101 | the initrd was made autom atically by apt-get during kernel install |
| 18:12.00 | stew | yes |
| 18:12.09 | slack101 | your not hearing me |
| 18:12.10 | Shiver | plb: k, than i just have to figure out, what the name of the old package was? |
| 18:12.11 | slack101 | lol |
| 18:12.12 | Mitja | SoulChild: something about growth by Greeks, not sure |
| 18:12.17 | slack101 | im not logged in that way stew |
| 18:12.23 | stew | what way? |
| 18:12.24 | Mitja | plb: 3 is the max for primary partitions? |
| 18:12.35 | slack101 | stew, i am chrooted into the system through a network boot |
| 18:12.46 | stew | yes, i know, you've told me |
| 18:12.47 | slack101 | you keep acting like i am directly ssh'd into the server |
| 18:12.48 | plb | Mitja: 4 is, but you need the 4th to be the Logical partition to hold the secondary partitions |
| 18:12.56 | stew | slack101: what makes you say that? |
| 18:13.11 | slack101 | <stew> i guess it must be, or else you woulnd't get to a login: prompt |
| 18:13.13 | plb | Shiver: xserver-xorg |
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| 18:13.19 | slack101 | why would any of that matter if it a networkl boot |
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| 18:13.39 | Shiver | plb: but i cerntanly need the correct version number? |
| 18:13.42 | slack101 | well it checked the file systems with no problem |
| 18:13.47 | slack101 | it just cant mount them wtf ? |
| 18:13.53 | stew | slack101: you mean that jpg you showed us was from the netboot, not from trying to boot debian? |
| 18:14.02 | plb | Shive: when you hit enter on the package in aptitude, it will show a list under versions (if you use aptitude) |
| 18:14.11 | slack101 | stew, my datacenter did that |
| 18:14.18 | slack101 | they booted up the server in REAL mode |
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| 18:14.22 | stew | slack101: was that a screenshot of etch? |
| 18:14.26 | slack101 | and took a screen and sent it to me |
| 18:14.29 | Mitja | plb: ok. should bootable/system partitions be primary or which ones should be primary and which logical? |
| 18:14.31 | slack101 | yes |
| 18:14.39 | Shiver | plb: i'm using synaptic... but i think i can do that in aptitude |
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| 18:15.04 | stew | slack101: then if the sata module wasn't in the initrd, there was no way it would have gotten so far into the boot process that it ran /sbin/init and certainly never would have gooten all the way to a login: prompt |
| 18:15.07 | plb | Mitja: I perfer to stick system partitions as primaries, but I don't remember if they have to be |
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| 18:16.01 | slack101 | stew, wwell im sorry |
| 18:16.05 | slack101 | i took it differently |
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| 18:16.57 | slack101 | it started syslog d and all |
| 18:16.57 | slack101 | if it couldnt moutn anything how is it doinmg that ? |
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| 18:17.15 | stew | which means it mounted the local drives, its probably having problems running 'mount -a' durin rcS |
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| 18:17.40 | slack101 | so what is it not mounting ? |
| 18:17.59 | stew | slack101: trying to remount / as rw |
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| 18:18.06 | stew | (would be my guess) |
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| 18:18.19 | slack101 | steve, in my lilo i have it as read only ? |
| 18:18.22 | peregrine007 | !tell thoughobject about blacklist |
| 18:18.22 | slack101 | is that a problem |
| 18:18.23 | stew | or its just trying to run "mount -a" |
| 18:18.45 | stew | i'll let steve answer that one |
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| 18:19.04 | slack101 | lol |
| 18:19.05 | slack101 | sorry |
| 18:19.19 | stew | i have not seen your lilo.conf, i've asked to see it, though |
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| 18:20.00 | n0mad | is there a difference between mount --bind /proc /hda2/mnt/proc and using --rbind ? |
| 18:20.19 | dylanB_UCD | stew, here is the apt-cache policy http://paste.debian.net/31612 |
| 18:20.39 | Lukian | Do PCI Express 16x cards work on 8x mainboards? |
| 18:20.43 | Shiver | plb: yeah, i know that... ^^ |
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| 18:20.54 | Shiver | plb: ok, there is just one version number listed... |
| 18:20.55 | stew | n0mad: there would be no different with /proc since there would not be anything mounted inside /proc |
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| 18:21.20 | Shiver | plb: something like 2:1.3.0.0. |
| 18:21.39 | stew | dylanB_UCD: you are trying ot upgrade from sarge to lenny skipping etch, and skipping releases is not supported. upgrade to etch first, /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 18:21.40 | plb | Shiver: and it is marked as installed right? |
| 18:21.44 | dylanB_UCD | stew, here is the complete output from aptitude install -f : http://paste.debian.net/31613 |
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| 18:21.49 | Shiver | it is |
| 18:21.54 | slack101 | steve, http://phpfi.com/245645 |
| 18:21.57 | slack101 | FUCK |
| 18:22.00 | slack101 | stew, |
| 18:22.02 | dylanB_UCD | stew, this could be due to my confusion |
| 18:22.02 | slack101 | stew, |
| 18:22.08 | Shiver | plb: i A --\xserver-xorg-core |
| 18:22.15 | dylanB_UCD | i just did an 'aptitude upgrade' without changing sources |
| 18:22.15 | stew | dylanB_UCD: what version of libc6 is installed? (dpkg -s libc6 | grep Version) |
| 18:22.16 | slack101 | stew, anyways is that read-only the problem ? |
| 18:22.38 | stew | slack101: no, read-only is correct |
| 18:22.44 | dylanB_UCD | 2.5-9+b1 |
| 18:22.48 | plb | Shiver: ok if you want to downgrade you'll have to find a .deb probably still in /var/cache/apt/archives and use dpkg |
| 18:22.55 | slack101 | stew, damn |
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| 18:23.10 | Shiver | plb: i'll try |
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| 18:23.17 | stew | dylanB_UCD: what version of e2fsprogs is installed? |
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| 18:23.45 | dylanB_UCD | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.12 | dimsuz | just curious: why are some debs from pool having "dfsg" suffix and others not? :) |
| 18:24.15 | stew | dylanB_UCD: ok, you are not running sarge, forget that, you just have a couple of very old pacakges |
| 18:24.32 | dylanB_UCD | ah, ok -- i have had this machine at testing for a while now... |
| 18:24.37 | dylanB_UCD | any way to force the upgrade ? |
| 18:24.41 | Mitja | plb: thanks for the help |
| 18:24.46 | plb | Mitja: np |
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| 18:24.48 | Shiver | plb: so if xserver-xorg_1%3a7.2-5_all.deb is the last one in cache, i need to install xserver-xorg_1%3a7.2-3_all.deb? |
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| 18:24.56 | stew | dimsuz: 'dfsg' is notifying you that debian altered the original .tar.gz that the author provides in order to remove stuff from it that doesn't comply with the dfsg: /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 18:25.13 | slack101 | steve, what now man ? |
| 18:25.15 | plb | Shiver: that may help if the xserver change is your problem... |
| 18:25.16 | slack101 | dammmit |
| 18:25.18 | slack101 | stew, |
| 18:25.27 | slack101 | you wanna change your nick stew :P |
| 18:25.34 | Shiver | plb: k, i'll try... if it works, i owe you one |
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| 18:25.37 | plb | Shiver: although you'll have to downgrade dependcies too |
| 18:25.43 | stew | dimsuz: what version of passwd is installed? |
| 18:25.46 | stew | dylanB_UCD: ^^^ |
| 18:25.51 | dimsuz | stew: wow. thanks! good to know! |
| 18:25.58 | dylanB_UCD | 1:4.0.3-31sarge5 |
| 18:25.59 | dylanB_UCD | ahha! |
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| 18:26.17 | Shiver | plb: any way to do that automatically? |
| 18:26.33 | dimsuz | stew: just seen it in kdelibs-3.5.5a :) |
| 18:26.44 | Shiver | plb: i guess there will be a pretty bunch of dependencies tho |
| 18:26.49 | slack101 | stew, so am i jus done for ? |
| 18:26.54 | stew | slack101: well my suggestion would be to find out why 'mount -a' fails |
| 18:27.02 | plb | Shiver: most likely :-( |
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| 18:27.28 | stew | slack101: or id try changing from using device names to using labels or uuids which would insulate you from a problem of device names changing |
| 18:27.30 | dylanB_UCD | stew, it looks like my passwd is from sarge? |
| 18:27.33 | slack101 | stew, when i run mount-a it works |
| 18:27.34 | stew | slack101: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:27.37 | Shiver | plb: and there is no way to do that automatically? |
| 18:27.45 | stew | slack101: after it boots |
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| 18:27.51 | stew | slack101: not from the chroot... |
| 18:27.52 | avu | hi |
| 18:27.57 | stew | dylanB_UCD: yes |
| 18:28.16 | slack101 | stew, even inside the chroot uname-r says the network booted distro |
| 18:28.21 | dylanB_UCD | stew, ok - i am sorry to take so much time, but is there a clear route to fixing this? |
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| 18:28.24 | stew | dylanB_UCD: you might consider switching your sources to "etch" running aptitude dist-upgrade; then switching to lenny and running it again, to ease the transition of the old packages |
| 18:28.36 | slack101 | stew, is that maybe the problem evern inside the chroot the mount is mounting it onto the network system ? |
| 18:28.53 | brickbrite | stew, you were right, i was using the wrong modules. thank you!! |
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| 18:30.11 | slack101 | stew, i cant boot the real system |
| 18:30.16 | slack101 | i thoought we went form that |
| 18:30.18 | plb | Shiver: you may be able to with apt but I don't know how |
| 18:30.19 | slack101 | discussed |
| 18:30.21 | plb | brb |
| 18:30.28 | stew | forget it |
| 18:31.02 | slack101 | i dunno what to do |
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| 18:31.49 | slack101 | where does the dailed to mount local filesystems error come from ? |
| 18:31.51 | slack101 | what file ? |
| 18:31.55 | slack101 | so i can see the exact command |
| 18:32.02 | dylanB_UCD | thanks stew |
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| 18:32.17 | dylanB_UCD | i'll post back with the results |
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| 18:32.43 | dylanB_UCD | for the record is it now best to specify a distribution by name in your sources.list ? |
| 18:32.43 | ghatak | I want to set up a dns server in my intranet, I am a noob in dns, would anyone point me to right direction or give a bit of help. I want to be able to setup my server so that when people access www.work.com they get to my webserver at 192.168.10.1. |
| 18:33.05 | Shiver | plb: hm still get the (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does net exist, 0) |
| 18:33.16 | Shiver | plb: in Xorg.log |
| 18:33.20 | stew | dylanB_UCD: for stable, definately, for testing, using 'testing' is fine, but only if you update regularly (which it seems you didn't) |
| 18:33.46 | Shiver | plb: any chance to actualy disable the nvidia module and use any default driver? |
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| 18:34.34 | slack101 | what rc scripts mount drvies ? |
| 18:34.51 | stew | slack101: /etc/rcS.d/*mountall.sh |
| 18:35.03 | andypandy | does anyone know if there is a GUI for truecrypt |
| 18:35.16 | stew | slack101: but we know that this kernel can mount it, we don't know why the etch kernel can't |
| 18:35.22 | stew | slack101: but you refuse to tell me what kernel this is |
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| 18:35.35 | stew | slack101: and i KNOW you can boot etch, since you showed me a screenshot of it booted |
| 18:35.36 | Shiver | can live without 3d acceleration for ne next days |
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| 18:35.58 | tuliox | hi, how should i proceed to update kde throught apt? |
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| 18:36.18 | slack101 | stew, yes i know i can |
| 18:36.29 | slack101 | stew, they told me my netwwork wasnt setup yet either |
| 18:36.33 | stew | 13:30 < slack101> stew, i cant boot the real system 13:36 < slack101> stew, yes i know i can |
| 18:36.37 | slack101 | so i gotta do that before i can login :P |
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| 18:36.45 | slack101 | ^^ |
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| 18:37.37 | andypandy | silly question but here we go my ISP does not provide a static IP is there is some third party or some way I can get a static IP address |
| 18:38.08 | stew | slack101: why can't whomever took that photo login and type 'mount -a' and tell you what the error is, or get the output of "fdisk -l" or somehting useful from within the etch system |
| 18:38.14 | slack101 | stew, i sitll dont think you knwow my setup lol |
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| 18:38.25 | tuliox | hi, how should i proceed to update kde throught apt? |
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| 18:38.50 | stew | tuliox: aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade |
| 18:38.57 | tuliox | wtf |
| 18:39.03 | slack101 | stew, which command should i tell them to do mount -a or fdisk ? |
| 18:39.04 | irwiss | ghatak, you could probably get away with "apt-get install dnsmasq;echo "192.168.0.1 www.work.com">>/etc/hosts;nano /etc/dnsmasq.conf;<herebebrainwork>;invoke-rc.d dnsmasq restart", you could even set up dhcp just for the ease of it |
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| 18:40.46 | stew | slack101: "mount -a" or "mount /" would likely report the error so we at least know what we are trying to fix. if the problem (as i suspect) is that /dev/sda1 is the wrong name, then "fdisk -l" would list the available partitions which shoudl show us what the correct device name is |
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| 18:41.15 | stew | tuliox: if "aptitude upgrade" isn't the answer you were looking for, you'll have to give us more information |
| 18:41.20 | slack101 | stew, i cna do fdisk -l from here |
| 18:41.40 | stew | forget it |
| 18:41.47 | Mitja | plb: after I click finish setting up partitions, it formats them, but catches signal 11 so the process is killed. when I run the partitioner again it hangs. what to do? |
| 18:42.10 | slack101 | stew, fdisk -l does nothing |
| 18:42.16 | stew | slack101: i don't care what your netboot kernel thinks the drive is called. i care what etch thinks it is called |
| 18:42.36 | slack101 | stew, how cna i figure that out ? |
| 18:42.46 | slack101 | i can do cfdisk and get the drive names |
| 18:43.02 | WindowsUninstall | Hi all |
| 18:43.02 | CharminTheMoose | will there ever come a time when apt-get is no longer needed in favour of aptittude? |
| 18:43.09 | stew | slack101: but only under the mystery kernel, not the etch kernel |
| 18:43.14 | WindowsUninstall | I need an older version of a package for sparc |
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| 18:43.21 | WindowsUninstall | I can't find it |
| 18:43.27 | azeem | WindowsUninstall: check snapshot.debian.net |
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| 18:43.50 | WindowsUninstall | azeem, Doesn't seems to have the package which I was looking for |
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| 18:44.10 | stew | CharminTheMoose: yes, likely not too long from now when stuff like "build-dep" and "source" and a few others are added to aptitude |
| 18:44.19 | Maerz | all apps that want to render a window fail to launch: Gdk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 |
| 18:44.19 | azeem | WindowsUninstall: which is? |
| 18:44.31 | WindowsUninstall | cyrus 2.2.12 for sparc |
| 18:44.35 | slack101 | stew, actually should i mount the dev from the network boot into the chrooted ? |
| 18:44.49 | Maerz | this happened suddendly, as i have still apps opened that work |
| 18:44.49 | slack101 | stew, casue theres no sda in the dev for the ethc / dev |
| 18:44.59 | WindowsUninstall | (the right name is kolab-cyrus-imapd |
| 18:45.00 | cwheeler | is there a way to get metacity to switch virtual desktops when the cursor moves to the edge of the screen? |
| 18:45.01 | WindowsUninstall | ) |
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| 18:48.27 | slack101 | stew, how od i mount my dev inside the network one into the chrooted one ? |
| 18:48.55 | azeem | WindowsUninstall: you're out of luck it seems |
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| 18:50.43 | dylanB_UCD | btw: stew, your suggestion worked |
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| 18:51.00 | dylanB_UCD | if i have another machine which is at unstable, which 'named release' is this ? |
| 18:51.14 | avu | dylanb_ucd: sid |
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| 18:51.22 | dylanB_UCD | ok, so my source list should be : |
| 18:51.27 | dylanB_UCD | deb http://ftp.debian.org sid main contrib non-free |
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| 18:51.34 | dylanB_UCD | something like that ? |
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| 18:51.44 | stew | dylanB_UCD: unstable is sid, but unstable is always unstable, so it is different and it doesn't matter if you use sid or unstable there. if you have a similarly old install of sid, you should do the same process to upgrade it |
| 18:51.53 | slack101 | stew, i jus did a mount /dev from the network thing into the chrooted one now fdisk -l works |
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| 18:52.13 | slack101 | steve, does the /dev erase on every boot ? |
| 18:52.15 | stew | slack101: if your dev inside the chroot isn't populated enough to have sda and sda1 that could be your problem. i don't know how you ended up in that state though |
| 18:52.28 | WindowsUninstall | azeem, Yes I'm very unlucky, I'm istalling and old version because the newer version has got some problems on sparc |
| 18:52.31 | WindowsUninstall | (SIGBUS) |
| 18:52.45 | slack101 | stew, i jus mounted it from the PXE dev and now i can see the drive inside of my chroot |
| 18:53.17 | stew | slack101: that's nice. like i said before it has nothing to do with your problem |
| 18:53.32 | slack101 | stew, ok so how od i go about fixing it ? |
| 18:53.38 | slack101 | or finding out what the problem is ? |
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| 18:54.07 | stew | slack101: you mean barring all of the other things i've suggested and with me not knowing the answers to the questions that i've asked and you wont answer? |
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| 18:54.13 | stew | let me see |
| 18:54.28 | slack101 | please be patient |
| 18:54.32 | slack101 | what should i do now ? |
| 18:54.46 | stew | slack101: well since you said your /dev on /dev/sda1 isn't populated i'd use MAKEDEV to populate it |
| 18:55.17 | slack101 | well i mounted it just now |
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| 18:55.36 | stew | i know |
| 18:55.44 | slack101 | stew, should i still do thje make dev after the mount ? |
| 18:55.52 | stew | no, before |
| 18:55.59 | slack101 | oops |
| 18:56.11 | stew | after and it is affecting dev in the PXE boot not the one on the hard drive you are actually trying to mount |
| 18:56.11 | slack101 | should i just erase everything in the /dev and do a make dev ?? |
| 18:56.14 | stew | no |
| 18:56.20 | stew | there is no reason to erase anything |
| 18:56.36 | stew | slack101: are you SURE that /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 don't exist there now? |
| 18:56.46 | slack101 | huh ? |
| 18:56.52 | slack101 | they were not there |
| 18:56.56 | slack101 | but now they are |
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| 18:56.59 | slack101 | casue i mounted fromthe netwrok |
| 18:57.19 | stew | slack101: what command did you type to mount fromthe netwrok |
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| 18:57.28 | JarJarBinks | how do you get apt-get to download multiple packages simultanously (in parallel) |
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| 18:57.33 | hateee | [14:50] <hateee> hey, what's the diff between productions and records? |
| 18:57.33 | hateee | [14:51] <hateee> for example, Asshole Productions and Asshole Records |
| 18:57.36 | hateee | anyone know? |
| 18:57.40 | slack101 | mount --bind /dev /mnt/sda1/dev |
| 18:57.43 | slack101 | stew, |
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| 18:58.41 | slack101 | stew, you sure it shouldnt say read-write in my lilo config ? |
| 18:58.49 | stew | slack101: stop asking me that |
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| 18:59.19 | slack101 | sorry |
| 18:59.22 | stew | slack101: you need to umount that bind mount then chroot again and 'cd /dev && /sbin/MAKEDEV generic' |
| 18:59.37 | stew | slack101: and who knows, that might fix it |
| 18:59.46 | slack101 | how do i unmount it ? LO |
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| 19:00.07 | stew | slack101: man umount |
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| 19:00.40 | alesan | help :( I rebooted my nslu with debian installed and now... it seems I canno t reach it anymore |
| 19:00.48 | zino | hi, what would be a channel appropriate for questions regarding gnuplot? |
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| 19:01.10 | slack101 | stew, i unmounted |
| 19:02.05 | xerophyte | is there any better way to search which package a file belong dpkg -S "/usr/bin/cc" i used that didnt't seems to work |
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| 19:02.26 | slack101 | steve, how long does this take to make dev ? |
| 19:02.29 | zino | xerophyte: apt-file |
| 19:02.35 | slack101 | stew, |
| 19:02.42 | cydork | zino: #gnuplot? :) |
| 19:02.51 | zino | cydork: does it exist? |
| 19:02.57 | slack101 | ok its dine |
| 19:03.02 | cydork | zino: seems so |
| 19:03.12 | zino | cydork: right, thanx a million |
| 19:03.38 | slack101 | stew, it still ddint put my sda in there man |
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| 19:04.50 | slack101 | man im lost |
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| 19:05.59 | slack101 | steve, 3 people hjave told me i need it to say read-write |
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| 19:06.30 | dylanB_UCD | thanks stew, machine is back in sync with testing |
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| 19:07.06 | stew | slack101: "cd /dev ; MAKDEDEV sda" ; you really need /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 to exist |
| 19:07.27 | slack101 | do i emptyu all the other stuff first steve |
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| 19:08.04 | stew | slack101: why do you need the kernel to have read-write access to the filesystem before mountall runs? |
| 19:08.24 | DarkRamon | hello... can someone please help me... Im trying to install mysql-server and it is not working... |
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| 19:08.41 | slack101 | stew, MAKDEDEV sda << did you spell this wrong ? |
| 19:08.50 | stew | slack101: yes |
| 19:08.57 | stew | DarkRamon: be more specific |
| 19:09.22 | DarkRamon | http://www.mirc.net/paste/?1362 |
| 19:09.24 | DarkRamon | there it is |
| 19:09.56 | slack101 | stew, ok sda's are there now |
| 19:09.56 | stew | DarkRamon: "illegal instruction" sounds like a hardware error |
| 19:10.02 | DarkRamon | hardware error? |
| 19:10.06 | DarkRamon | what could be happening? |
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| 19:10.18 | stew | slack101: it would probably be wise create sdb sdc sdd as well |
| 19:10.36 | slack101 | it did |
| 19:10.39 | slack101 | it created that |
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| 19:10.54 | stew | slack101: it created /dev/sdb but not /dev/sda? |
| 19:11.00 | slack101 | created both |
| 19:11.04 | DarkRamon | but i mean i've been able to install some other programs and they work perfect.. its just with mysql |
| 19:11.05 | slack101 | sdc too |
| 19:11.14 | stew | slack101: what command created both? |
| 19:11.20 | slack101 | the one you gave me man |
| 19:11.22 | slack101 | lol |
| 19:11.41 | slack101 | oh btw how do i setup my network ... my interface file is blank |
| 19:11.51 | karsten | slack101: man 5 interfaces |
| 19:12.03 | slack101 | is thier any ncurses tool for that ? |
| 19:12.07 | slack101 | so i dont make any mistakes |
| 19:12.08 | karsten | slack101: You'll find examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 19:12.11 | karsten | slack101: Yes. |
| 19:12.13 | karsten | slack101: vim |
| 19:12.31 | slack101 | lol |
| 19:12.34 | slack101 | man |
| 19:12.40 | slack101 | long day no room for jokes |
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| 19:13.23 | DarkRamon | slack101: http://www.mirc.net/paste/?1363 paste that under /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:13.34 | DarkRamon | and then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 19:13.53 | DarkRamon | and if its not working change eth1 to eth0 |
| 19:13.56 | stew | no |
| 19:14.07 | stew | he does not want to run /etc/init.d/networking restart ! |
| 19:14.19 | karsten | slack101: The basic syntax is really simple. You're probably either doing static or dhcp, examples cover both. |
| 19:14.30 | DarkRamon | ok.... so in my case what can I do...? |
| 19:14.55 | slack101 | karsten, im ot sure if its static or dhcp |
| 19:14.57 | stew | DarkRamon: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:15.01 | slack101 | i think static |
| 19:15.12 | DarkRamon | the latest one.. I downloaded the netinst |
| 19:15.21 | stew | DarkRamon: which one? |
| 19:15.23 | DarkRamon | 2.6.18 |
| 19:15.25 | stew | slack101: do you know your ip address / netmask / gateway? |
| 19:15.48 | slack101 | yes |
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| 19:15.56 | stew | slack101: then it is static |
| 19:16.01 | slack101 | yes |
| 19:16.08 | stew | DarkRamon: i'd recommend running memtest86+ |
| 19:16.18 | DarkRamon | just type that? |
| 19:16.21 | DarkRamon | memtest86+ |
| 19:16.24 | slack101 | stew, can i jus copy the one from the networl boot ? |
| 19:16.27 | karsten | slack101: static == you hardwire your networking data into your configuration. dhcp == you get a network address "from the network) (actually a dhcp server) when you start the network. |
| 19:16.39 | karsten | DarkRamon: Install it, then it should be a boot option. |
| 19:16.39 | stew | DarkRamon: no, install it and read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+/README.debian |
| 19:16.51 | stew | slack101: i don't know |
| 19:17.01 | slack101 | its ubuntu |
| 19:17.03 | DarkRamon | alright :) |
| 19:17.09 | slack101 | is that syntax / config compatible ? |
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| 19:17.10 | DarkRamon | ill try that. |
| 19:17.41 | karsten | slack101: Read the fucking examples |
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| 19:18.19 | DarkRamon | installed it but its not showing me any boot options like memtest |
| 19:18.22 | tvynr | I can't seem to run fakechroot; I'm getting the message "lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /usr/lib32/libfakeroot/libfakeroot-sysv.so)". I can chroot into things just fine using both chroot as root and schroot as a user, but I'm trying to use an unpriviledged root for development. This was working before but is now broken. I don't think the fakeroot in question is the problem but rather something with my ia32 libs. |
| 19:18.22 | tvynr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.22 | slack101 | karsten, its ubuntu it does not have thatr DIR |
| 19:18.26 | lymeca | Is it true that there is non-free code in the Debian Linux kernel package in main? |
| 19:18.30 | karsten | DarkRamon: What's your bootloader? |
| 19:18.32 | karsten | !ubuntu |
| 19:18.32 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu - See also <based on debian caveats>. |
| 19:18.35 | DarkRamon | grub |
| 19:18.45 | DarkRamon | karsten: grub |
| 19:18.45 | stew | slack101: which dir? |
| 19:18.47 | karsten | slack101: What OS / distro are you running / installing / asking for help on? |
| 19:18.54 | stew | karsten: etch |
| 19:19.00 | slack101 | PXE is Ubuntu |
| 19:19.02 | slack101 | i am installing debian |
| 19:19.15 | stew | slack101: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz exists on debian, read it from debian |
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| 19:19.25 | slack101 | true |
| 19:19.28 | DarkRamon | slack101 do uname -r |
| 19:19.28 | stew | slack101: or read "man interfaces" |
| 19:19.31 | karsten | slack101: You can grab the package at packages.debian.org and explore it with mc. |
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| 19:19.39 | stew | DarkRamon: he won't i've asked him 3 or 5 times |
| 19:19.41 | andypandy | hi |
| 19:19.44 | DarkRamon | hahahhaha |
| 19:19.50 | DarkRamon | sorry for that |
| 19:20.06 | DarkRamon | .... there's no memtest option on my grub |
| 19:20.19 | andypandy | what is the command line to install kde is it apt-get install kde-desktop? |
| 19:20.20 | DarkRamon | just debian gnulinux kernel 2.6.18-4-486 |
| 19:20.25 | shogunx | SOUNDS LIKE A CLASSIC CASE OF CRANIAL-RECTAL INVERSION TO ME. |
| 19:20.32 | stew | andypandy: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 19:20.34 | karsten | !install kde |
| 19:20.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 19:20.38 | stew | shogunx: plase don't shout |
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| 19:20.57 | slack101 | man this is such a headache |
| 19:20.58 | shogunx | stew, sorry. did not notice caps lock on. |
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| 19:21.01 | DarkRamon | !install fluxbox |
| 19:21.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install fluxbox is apt-get install x-window-system-core fluxbox. Welcome to thinland. |
| 19:21.06 | karsten | shogunx: slack101 has shown clue deficiency for the past few weeks. |
| 19:21.15 | slack101 | no |
| 19:21.19 | slack101 | ive been here for 2 days |
| 19:21.20 | shogunx | karsten ack |
| 19:21.22 | slack101 | 1 really |
| 19:21.39 | karsten | slack101: Um, someone else with a very similar nick and aversion to RTFM then. |
| 19:21.44 | slack101 | and i used slackware for 7 years |
| 19:22.32 | andypandy | dpkg:thank dpkg yes ok I know what you are |
| 19:22.32 | dpkg | no worries, andypandy |
| 19:22.33 | karsten | Now _that_ sounds supiciously similar. |
| 19:22.33 | DarkRamon | karsten: there is no memtest on my grub |
| 19:22.48 | karsten | DarkRamon: You've installed it? |
| 19:22.50 | DarkRamon | yeah |
| 19:22.55 | DarkRamon | then reboot it |
| 19:23.00 | karsten | DarkRamon: aptitude install --reinstall memtest86+ |
| 19:23.07 | DarkRamon | ok |
| 19:23.17 | karsten | DarkRamon: There should be a config step that runs update-grub. Try doing that manually if it's not there. |
| 19:23.25 | DarkRamon | ok great |
| 19:23.28 | stew | DarkRamon: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst ; there is a line "# memtest86=false" make it "true", but don't take off the #, then run 'update-grub' |
| 19:23.39 | DarkRamon | cool stew ill check that also |
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| 19:23.58 | stew | according to the docs, you hsould need to do this manually , not automatically during postinst |
| 19:24.12 | stew | though it seems like that should be changed if that is the case |
| 19:24.28 | DarkRamon | ok ill try it |
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| 19:24.47 | andypandy | why is it that we still use the apt-get word when many seem to think aptitude is much better -- what you prefer I guess |
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| 19:25.29 | stew | andypandy: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 19:25.52 | andypandy | stew: ok thanks |
| 19:26.01 | slack101 | what if i dont knmow the gatway ? |
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| 19:26.27 | stew | slack101: the machine will only be able to talk to other machines on the same subnet |
| 19:26.29 | grew | slack101: then youre fucked |
| 19:26.36 | stew | grew: easy |
| 19:26.40 | slack101 | i dont knwo the gateway off hand |
| 19:26.48 | grew | then no internets for you |
| 19:26.48 | stew | slack101: ask the network administrator |
| 19:26.49 | grew | :P |
| 19:26.56 | slack101 | yea |
| 19:26.57 | slack101 | hmm |
| 19:26.58 | slack101 | blah |
| 19:27.04 | stew | slack101: actually |
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| 19:27.20 | DarkRamon | slack101: there is no possible way that someone can help you if you dont know that information |
| 19:27.21 | stew | slack101: that is probably somehtihng you can get fromthe host machine, run "route -n" from outside the chroot |
| 19:28.06 | drako | slack101, you can scan your whole subnet and try every host and find out which one is the gateway :) |
| 19:28.16 | stew | or he can run "route -n" |
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| 19:28.44 | tvynr | Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to revert to a testing libc6 from an unstable libc6? |
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| 19:29.13 | slack101 | stew, ok got the gateway |
| 19:29.14 | stew | tvynr: if its possible, it would be "aptitude install libc6=version" |
| 19:29.15 | jetscreamer | tvynr: they should be really close, if all else fails just wait |
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| 19:29.33 | karsten | slack101: 'route -n' (or the Windows equivalent if same happens to be handy) are your best bet, on a properly configured host. Gateway tends to be either low or high on the local network segment (eg: first or last host within the local LAN IP range). But that's just convention, it coudl be any host. |
| 19:29.49 | tvynr | stew: Yeah... problem with that is that it then wants to uninstall *everything*. |
| 19:30.11 | slack101 | ijm pretty sure its right |
| 19:30.17 | slack101 | it looks familiar |
| 19:30.18 | stew | tvynr: you have to downgrade everything that was copmiled against the newer version |
| 19:30.26 | jetscreamer | you could 'try' d/l the .deb and dpkg -i --force-all :o |
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| 19:30.29 | stew | tvynr: and note that something will break when you downgrade them |
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| 19:30.53 | stew | i would very strongly recommend against using --force-all to install libc6 |
| 19:30.58 | slack101 | do i need a broadcast or no ? |
| 19:31.00 | jetscreamer | so would i' |
| 19:31.00 | stew | no |
| 19:31.01 | gnat_x | hi folks, i want to install the mediawiki1.7 package, so i install it with aptitude, but i'm at a loss for how to enable it, and i haven't found any clear documentation. |
| 19:31.03 | slack101 | i dont think i need that do i ? |
| 19:31.07 | stew | no |
| 19:31.10 | slack101 | ok |
| 19:31.12 | tvynr | jetscreamer: I accidentally installed unstable libc6 and am now incapable of using fakechroot. "dpkg: /yadayada/root.d/lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /usr/lib/libfakeroot/libfakeroot-sysv.so)" |
| 19:31.13 | omri | how can I know when a package was installed? |
| 19:31.17 | DarkRamon | karsten: ok seems it worked this time... it installed mysql-server but there is no mysqld |
| 19:31.31 | stew | omri: /var/log/dpkg.log or /var/log/aptitude (if you used aptitude) |
| 19:31.31 | gnat_x | omri: aptitude search packagename |
| 19:31.33 | slack101 | well since i got network configured right and it does boot up i should be able to sehll in right stew like the real server ? |
| 19:31.37 | omri | thanks |
| 19:31.40 | tvynr | jetscreamer, stew: I'd love to just leave it where it is, but not being able to fakechroot is preventing me from working on a LiveCD project I'm building. |
| 19:31.41 | jetscreamer | tvynr: if it was me and that's all that's messed up, i'd just wait till the lenny version catches up |
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| 19:31.52 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 19:31.53 | dpkg | hmm... reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 19:31.54 | tvynr | jetscreamer, stew: Strangely enough, I can still chroot. |
| 19:31.57 | earthian | hello my sound broke :( |
| 19:31.57 | sweetandy | Good idea or bad idea to to apt-get upgrade? |
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| 19:32.00 | gnat_x | omri: if you do the search insalled packages have an i next to them |
| 19:32.06 | stew | tvynr: did you check the bts? |
| 19:32.22 | jetscreamer | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 19:32.26 | omri | gnat_x, I want to know when it was installed |
| 19:32.33 | earthian | i ran alsaconf there it like did all ok except some errors and now i have this |
| 19:32.41 | DarkRamon | karsten: it installed mysql-server but there is no mysqld so i can start it |
| 19:32.42 | earthian | Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: (none loaded).--- Loading ALSA sound driver modules: (none to reload). |
| 19:32.43 | stew | sweetandy: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:32.48 | earthian | wtF? |
| 19:32.49 | sweetandy | stew: lenny |
| 19:32.54 | jetscreamer | tvynr: you 'might' try compiling your own fakechroot maybe, but i'm at a loss |
| 19:32.56 | earthian | how do set up my sound properly? |
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| 19:33.01 | gnat_x | omri: oh sorry, read your ? wrong. |
| 19:33.25 | karsten | !sound |
| 19:33.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard |
| 19:33.45 | stew | !factinfo alsa-bork |
| 19:33.45 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as alsa-bork, stew |
| 19:33.48 | tvynr | jetscreamer: You're suggesting a reinstall? I can understand the need, but I don't even really know from where this failure's coming or understand the error message at all. Although if it helps, the error "ERROR: ld.so: object 'libfakechroot.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored." tends to accompany it. |
| 19:33.56 | DarkRamon | stew: It installed mysql-server but there's no mysqld so i can start it |
| 19:34.04 | stew | !sound =~ s#alsa-bork#alsa checklist# |
| 19:34.04 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 19:34.05 | MitchM | I'm wondering what the implications of filesystem corruption are - if they're any different (eg. total data loss) with encryption |
| 19:34.06 | earthian | nevermind :x |
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| 19:34.21 | MitchM | esp. with encryption on etch |
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| 19:34.28 | b3nj | hi there |
| 19:34.31 | digital-irony | hello |
| 19:34.33 | tvynr | stew: Not as such, no. I don't even really know why it's not working (or even what part of it isn't working), so I'm not sure how I'd describe the bug. |
| 19:34.38 | stew | DarkRamon: how did you try to find it? |
| 19:34.45 | DarkRamon | apt-get install mysql-server |
| 19:34.55 | DarkRamon | whereis mysqld |
| 19:34.56 | jetscreamer | !sound |
| 19:34.56 | dpkg | sound is probably ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard |
| 19:34.57 | DarkRamon | locate mysqld |
| 19:35.24 | stew | DarkRamon: try "ls /usr/sbin/mysqld" |
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| 19:35.29 | DarkRamon | alright |
| 19:35.32 | b3nj | i got one little error when trying to start X, i get this error: 'could not open default cursor font 'cursor'' |
| 19:35.36 | wols_ | @find zizek |
| 19:35.44 | karsten | !set up x |
| 19:35.44 | dpkg | i guess set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 19:35.44 | digital-irony | ok well anyone here might can help me with this? im running debian 64 on an nvidia 8800 i got the newest nvidia driver and have X running....but i can't seem to use anything with 3d like opengl programs i also have cedega installed but when it tests it says fail for 3d rendering |
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| 19:35.45 | stew | b3nj: how did you try to install xorg? |
| 19:35.53 | DarkRamon | stew: it says /usr/sbin/mysqld: No such file or directory |
| 19:36.01 | karsten | b3nj: ^^ |
| 19:36.03 | tvynr | stew: No bugs in the BTS filed against libc6 that match "fakechroot" |
| 19:36.04 | digital-irony | and yes X is running with the nvidia driver |
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| 19:36.15 | b3nj | stew: well. it was installed by selecting the "desktop" role |
| 19:36.21 | stew | tvynr: did you check under fakechroot |
| 19:36.21 | b3nj | when installing my comp |
| 19:36.28 | stew | that set up x factoid is very outdated |
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| 19:36.44 | Lukian | digital-irony, what driver version are you using? |
| 19:36.45 | jetscreamer | tvynr: no i'm saying your options seem to be limited to : try to force install the testing libc6, wait for testing to catch up, compile your own fakechroot, or reinstall |
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| 19:36.56 | karsten | stew: At least it's dated, which is more than some of us can say... |
| 19:37.08 | sdffdssdf | Our banking system is running debian 3.1 how old is that? |
| 19:37.18 | tvynr | stew: Not there, either, AFAICT. |
| 19:37.21 | earthian | hello, how can i listen to xmms/anyotherplayer and play a game and have sound in both? now i can play sound only of my player or game. what is wrong? how can i fix that? what is wrong? |
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| 19:37.27 | b3nj | what you should note is that it worked but i installed cursors and then it stopped to work |
| 19:37.32 | digital-irony | lukian im using the 100. ver |
| 19:37.34 | jetscreamer | 3.1 is pldstable/sarge iirc |
| 19:37.36 | tvynr | stew, jetscreamer: I suppose what I really need right now is to understand what that error means. Can either of you shed light on its nature? |
| 19:37.36 | stew | b3nj: try "aptitude install xorg" |
| 19:37.41 | DarkRamon | stew: |
| 19:37.42 | jetscreamer | oldstable |
| 19:37.43 | digital-irony | i just d/led it from nvidias website |
| 19:37.46 | DarkRamon | stew: it is not there |
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| 19:37.58 | stew | b3nj: oh, what do you mean that you install cursors? |
| 19:38.02 | digital-irony | before i did that i tried using. 1.0 version |
| 19:38.11 | Lukian | digital-irony, glxinfo | grep rendering |
| 19:38.13 | earthian | alsa in my game makes the sound distorted so i use OSS while in player i use alsa.. |
| 19:38.15 | b3nj | stew: i did install some cursors |
| 19:38.24 | digital-irony | sec |
| 19:38.28 | stew | b3nj: how did you install them? |
| 19:38.42 | b3nj | stew: apt-get install cursorpackagename |
| 19:38.51 | earthian | can somebody help me fix the issue with my sound? ;x |
| 19:38.58 | DarkRamon | stew, karsten: it is not there... /usr/bin/mysqld is not there |
| 19:38.58 | digital-irony | ok i did that.... |
| 19:38.58 | stew | b3nj: try apt-get remove cursorpackagename |
| 19:39.02 | digital-irony | nothing happened |
| 19:39.24 | jetscreamer | !info crystalcursors |
| 19:39.24 | b3nj | stew: that's what I thought buuuut i cannot remember what are the package names :D |
| 19:39.26 | dpkg | crystalcursors: (X11 mouse theme with the crystal look&feel), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.1.1-8 (sid), Packaged size: 243 kB, Installed size: 2868 kB |
| 19:39.27 | stew | DarkRamon: did you runmtest86? |
| 19:39.31 | DarkRamon | yeah |
| 19:39.32 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search cursor |
| 19:39.39 | Lukian | digital-irony, pastebin the full output of "glxinfo" |
| 19:39.41 | DarkRamon | don't remember the message but seems everything was fine |
| 19:39.44 | hark | b3nj: sid? |
| 19:39.49 | b3nj | hark: yes |
| 19:39.57 | jetscreamer | digital-irony: i can help with that easy |
| 19:39.59 | digital-irony | there is none |
| 19:40.04 | digital-irony | one thing |
| 19:40.06 | jetscreamer | but i need a file i don't have atm... ah |
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| 19:40.19 | Lukian | digital-irony, there is no output? |
| 19:40.20 | digital-irony | i did do apt-get install nvidia-glx |
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| 19:40.24 | digital-irony | no i have output |
| 19:40.26 | digital-irony | im in X now |
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| 19:40.30 | digital-irony | just no 3d |
| 19:40.32 | hark | b3nj: if it's artwiz-cursor, then i know the package messes up the diversions afaik |
| 19:40.35 | Zweisteine | I've compiled a 2.6.19 kernel on my Debian system. I don't have static devices in /dev/. Here's what I get when booting the kernel with qemu (It's almost the same when I boot the machine directly, but I can't copy/paste the messages): cannot open dev/console: No such file. Kernel panic blah blah. It seems to have mounted the initrd I've built with mkinitrd but gives "umount: devfs: not mounted". What should I do? |
| 19:40.36 | jetscreamer | digital-irony: no you don't apt-get install that with the .run |
| 19:40.41 | stew | DarkRamon: i'd try reinstalling all the mysql-server-5.0 mysql-common-5.0 pacakges |
| 19:40.45 | digital-irony | sec |
| 19:40.49 | Lukian | digital-irony, no, what does "glxinfo" return (without grepping) |
| 19:40.52 | jetscreamer | digital-irony: is that the debian packages or the nvidia version |
| 19:40.54 | b3nj | hark: no artwiz-cursor arent isntalled |
| 19:40.58 | Lukian | and yes, you should use the binary not the packages! |
| 19:40.59 | b3nj | hark: the isntall hanged |
| 19:41.04 | digital-irony | first i tried using the nvidia installer |
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| 19:41.12 | digital-irony | X wouldn't start after that |
| 19:41.17 | stew | Zweisteine: you should not use mkinitrd for kernels after 2.6.15. do you use udev? |
| 19:41.18 | digital-irony | i was getting signal 11 |
| 19:41.27 | digital-irony | so i tried to see if the debian driver would work |
| 19:41.30 | digital-irony | and now i have X back |
| 19:41.37 | digital-irony | but still no 3d |
| 19:41.50 | DarkRamon | stew: that would be apt-get reinstall mysql-server-5.0 mysql-common-5.0 right? |
| 19:41.53 | hark | b3nj: what cursor package were you installing? |
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| 19:41.59 | digital-irony | and when i do glxinfo i get seg fault |
| 19:42.07 | jetscreamer | apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev && mkdir /usr/src/nvda && cd /usr/src/nvda && wget -c ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/*-pkg0.run && sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg0.run -anN --x-module-path=`X -showDefaultModulePath 2>&1 | cut -d, -f1` --x-library-path=`X -showDefaultLibPath 2>&1` |
| 19:42.08 | Lukian | lol |
| 19:42.11 | jetscreamer | paste that |
| 19:42.11 | stew | DarkRamon: no, either "aptitude reinstall..." or "apt-get install --reinstall ..." |
| 19:42.13 | junix-other | is there an easy way to setup dual monitors on Etch??? |
| 19:42.13 | b3nj | hark: as i said; i really don't remember the names |
| 19:42.22 | jetscreamer | cept change the version |
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| 19:42.28 | stoned | hey path of neo is a pretty good game |
| 19:42.39 | Lukian | digital-irony, in /etc/X11/xorg.conf what is "Driver" set to? |
| 19:42.44 | DarkRamon | ok |
| 19:42.46 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 19:42.47 | Zweisteine | stew, I didn't know I wasn't supposed to use mkinitrd. What should I use instead? In my current system I do use udev, but I don't know for sure if I've compiled the new kernel properly with support for that, although I've tried (Do they devfs messages indicate that I didn't do it right?) |
| 19:43.00 | jetscreamer | mkinitramfs-tools iirc, or yaird |
| 19:43.02 | stoned | is there a original debian live cd? |
| 19:43.11 | jetscreamer | no |
| 19:43.14 | jetscreamer | !livecd |
| 19:43.14 | dpkg | livecd is probably an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 19:43.14 | stoned | like not a derivative of debian, but a debian live minimal cd |
| 19:43.15 | stoned | damn |
| 19:43.22 | jetscreamer | there's a project |
| 19:43.22 | stew | Zweisteine: the reason that you shouln't use mkinitrd is becuase it uses devfs, and devfs was removed from the kernel |
| 19:43.30 | jetscreamer | and some new grub rescue image in sid |
| 19:43.46 | jetscreamer | you might try that one stoned |
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| 19:43.49 | stew | Zweisteine: if udev is functional, you should use initramfs-tools to create the initrd (this is preferred). if not, use yaird |
| 19:43.59 | jetscreamer | ah initram |
| 19:44.16 | hark | b3nj: well, you can check the log (/var/log/dpkg.log) or aptitude.log if you used it |
| 19:44.35 | stoned | jetscreamer: my niece's laptop is 1.4 celeron and 256mb ram. Tortoise can go faster than XP on this thing. I want to switch her over to linux. You think a minimal XPDE setup would run better? |
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| 19:44.58 | jetscreamer | xpde kinda like died didn't it? |
| 19:44.59 | b3nj | hark: used apt, i'm trying to remember which one it was |
| 19:44.59 | sweetandy | What is the GTK Development package for apt? I can't find it anywhere. |
| 19:44.59 | stoned | jetscreamer: basically needs to do flash gaming on barbie's website, pictures, music on her ipod etc. and email and stuff |
| 19:45.03 | hark | b3nj: but, what's the error you get when you start X |
| 19:45.04 | digital-irony | set to nvidia |
| 19:45.15 | digital-irony | when X starts i still see the nvidia logo |
| 19:45.16 | jetscreamer | i really liked the looks of xpde though |
| 19:45.24 | jetscreamer | digital-irony: turn it off |
| 19:45.27 | stoned | Yeh the interface is purdy |
| 19:45.38 | Lukian | digital-irony, what exact driver version are you using? "apt-cache policy nvidia-glx" |
| 19:45.41 | stoned | its not just babies, adults like bright colors too |
| 19:45.46 | Zweisteine | stew, thank you _very much_, it appears to boot (at least in qemu). I've tried to solve this problem all day with no luck. Thanks alot |
| 19:45.47 | stoned | strong bright colors |
| 19:45.52 | jetscreamer | Lukian: he d/l'd .100 from nvidia iirc |
| 19:46.06 | Lukian | jetscreamer, I hope so and I hope it's not the beta :p |
| 19:46.06 | DarkRamon | stew: the same thing happened..... http://www.mirc.net/paste/?1365 |
| 19:46.26 | jetscreamer | Lukian: get him to cut&paste what i pasted and it will work |
| 19:46.32 | b3nj | hark : 'could not open default cursor font 'cursor'' |
| 19:46.40 | sweetandy | Is there even a GTK devel package for Debian? |
| 19:46.42 | jetscreamer | Lukian: see if his gpu is supported in 100 though |
| 19:46.42 | stew | DarkRamon: what version of libc6 is installed? |
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| 19:46.51 | b3nj | the same error appears if i only launch startx |
| 19:46.51 | DarkRamon | how do i find out? |
| 19:46.54 | eifzon | how do i unpack a file from terminaL? |
| 19:47.01 | streuner | sweetang: apt-cache search gtk dev |
| 19:47.02 | stew | DarkRamon: 'dpkg -s libc6 | grep Version" |
| 19:47.07 | jetscreamer | define unpack, eifzon |
| 19:47.12 | streuner | !tell sweetang about search |
| 19:47.13 | eifzon | jetscreamer: i downloaded a zip file |
| 19:47.15 | jetscreamer | what file/format |
| 19:47.23 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 19:47.23 | jetscreamer | unzip |
| 19:47.24 | hark | b3nj: yeah, what does "dpkg-divert --list | grep cursor" give? |
| 19:47.24 | Lukian | digital-irony, which 8800 model? |
| 19:47.25 | jetscreamer | you have to apt-get install it |
| 19:47.32 | DarkRamon | stew: Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 19:47.35 | jetscreamer | 88+100==good |
| 19:47.36 | streuner | sweetandy: ^^ |
| 19:47.39 | digital-irony | Installed: 1.0.8776-4 |
| 19:47.43 | stoned | maybe I could install DSL and then build the system from there |
| 19:47.47 | streuner | !tell sweetandy about search |
| 19:47.48 | digital-irony | GTX evga 768mb |
| 19:47.50 | jetscreamer | 8776 probably doesn't support it |
| 19:47.58 | Lukian | yeah, 8776 doesn't support it |
| 19:48.10 | Lukian | 100.14.11 does |
| 19:48.18 | sweetandy | streuner Thanks! |
| 19:48.19 | stoned | digital-irony: how much was that carD? |
| 19:48.21 | jetscreamer | change the version: apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev && mkdir /usr/src/nvda && cd /usr/src/nvda && wget -c ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/*-pkg0.run && sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg0.run -anN --x-module-path=`X -showDefaultModulePath 2>&1 | cut -d, -f1` --x-library-path=`X -showDefaultLibPath 2>&1` |
| 19:48.23 | digital-irony | NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.11-pkg2.run is the driver i have |
| 19:48.30 | junix-other | is there an easy way to setup dual monitors on Etch??? |
| 19:48.31 | digital-irony | lol like 800 bucks :P |
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| 19:48.45 | stoned | thats us money? |
| 19:48.47 | b3nj | hark: gives me a line telling 'diversion of /path/.../cursor.pcf.gz by artwiz-cursor' |
| 19:48.48 | stoned | usd? |
| 19:48.50 | jetscreamer | or just use the last part |
| 19:49.01 | Lukian | digital-irony, then "apt-get remove nvidia-glx" |
| 19:49.09 | Lukian | or do what jetscreamer said :p |
| 19:49.10 | b3nj | hark: seems that the failed install of artwiz-cursor left some traces |
| 19:49.12 | speeves | junix-other: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO/index.html |
| 19:49.26 | hark | b3nj: i know... the package is broken |
| 19:49.31 | jetscreamer | sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.11-pkg2.run -anN --x-module-path=`X -showDefaultModulePath 2>&1 | cut -d, -f1` --x-library-path=`X -showDefaultLibPath 2>&1` |
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| 19:49.33 | digital-irony | should i do that outside of X :P |
| 19:49.35 | jetscreamer | like that |
| 19:49.43 | jetscreamer | you need linux-headers |
| 19:49.43 | junix-other | speeves: will this work for Xorg? |
| 19:49.49 | jetscreamer | yes you should |
| 19:49.50 | digital-irony | i already have them all |
| 19:49.59 | digital-irony | well how am i supposed to remember that :P |
| 19:49.59 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 19:50.04 | digital-irony | heh |
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| 19:50.05 | digital-irony | nvm |
| 19:50.06 | jetscreamer | copy/paste to a file |
| 19:50.10 | digital-irony | ill just make a script |
| 19:50.11 | hark | b3nj: remove the diversion and reinstall xfonts-base |
| 19:50.21 | jetscreamer | i even make a little script out of it |
| 19:50.32 | DarkRamon | stew: im doing rm /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.0_5.0.32-7etch1_i386.deb and will try it again.. is that ok? |
| 19:50.38 | jetscreamer | just put #~/bin/bash at the top and make it executable |
| 19:50.40 | b3nj | hark: which file is the one i should remove ? |
| 19:50.42 | hark | b3nj: make sure atwiz-cursor is removed |
| 19:50.50 | sweetandy | streuner: libgtk2.0-dev I believe. Thanks for the new command! |
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| 19:50.53 | jetscreamer | artwiz was ugly |
| 19:50.54 | b3nj | hark: it is |
| 19:50.59 | jetscreamer | crystalcursors rock |
| 19:51.05 | hark | b3nj: try "dpkg-divert --remove /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/cursor.pcf.gz" |
| 19:51.11 | jetscreamer | update-alternatives |
| 19:51.12 | pringat | is there a way to display all dependecies of a package? (I'm sure the is one, but I can't remeber how to do it) thx |
| 19:51.22 | jetscreamer | alternatives controls the cursors also |
| 19:51.32 | digital-irony | ok |
| 19:51.34 | jetscreamer | apt-rdepends |
| 19:51.34 | digital-irony | so |
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| 19:51.40 | digital-irony | i do apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev && mkdir /usr/src/nvda && cd /usr/src/nvda && wget -c ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/*-pkg0.run && sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg0.run -anN --x-module-path=`X -showDefaultModulePath 2>&1 | cut -d, -f1` --x-library-path=`X -showDefaultLibPath 2>&1` |
| 19:51.41 | hark | b3nj: then aptitude reinstall xfonts-base |
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| 19:51.50 | digital-irony | then i do sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.11-pkg2.run -anN --x-module-path=`X -showDefaultModulePath 2>&1 | cut -d, -f1` --x-library-path=`X -showDefaultLibPath 2>&1` |
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| 19:51.54 | digital-irony | ? |
| 19:52.05 | jetscreamer | the mkdirs are optional, you already have the .run downloaded |
| 19:52.12 | digital-irony | sec |
| 19:52.18 | jetscreamer | you can just use the sh line and exec it |
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| 19:52.37 | speeves | junix-other: you can check out http://systhread.net/texts/200506extendedX.php |
| 19:52.39 | noone | hi to all |
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| 19:53.36 | stew | DarkRamon: its ok, i doubt it will make a difference |
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| 19:54.21 | digital-irony | back |
| 19:54.28 | pringat | jetscreamer: apt-rdepends does the job... but I saw another way to do it... anyway, it helps, thx |
| 19:54.36 | stew | DarkRamon: you could just check the md5 of hte deb to verify that you actually downloaded it ok, and that is already being checked for you automatically |
| 19:55.16 | digital-irony | ok so im kinda confused :P |
| 19:55.18 | noone | i've a noobish question: how can I, in debian lenny, install something like xfce-desktop? becouse 'standard' DE is Gnome, and i really don't like it... |
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| 19:55.27 | digital-irony | do i have to do the second command or not ? |
| 19:55.29 | jetscreamer | all you need to do is... |
| 19:55.32 | digital-irony | sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.11-pkg2.run -anN --x-module-path=`X -showDefaultModulePath 2>&1 | cut -d, -f1` --x-library-path=`X -showDefaultLibPath 2>&1` |
| 19:55.36 | jetscreamer | yeah that |
| 19:55.43 | digital-irony | k |
| 19:55.44 | sweetandy | I'm a bit confused. I told my system to install a GTK dev package, and now it's saying things like "Removing GNOME... Removing GDM..." |
| 19:55.54 | digital-irony | ok well i may or may not be back :P |
| 19:55.57 | jetscreamer | al the other things are done or just optional |
| 19:55.59 | digital-irony | give me a bit |
| 19:56.03 | noone | i've tried to add (during boot up) : install tasks="xfce-desktop, standard" but it doesn't worked |
| 19:56.07 | eifzon | anyone can help me with my debian? i cant download packages like rar and afew other games |
| 19:56.10 | jetscreamer | digital-irony: |
| 19:56.10 | \amethyst | sweetandy: which package did you install? |
| 19:56.22 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove ---purge nvidia* first maybe |
| 19:56.26 | DarkRamon | stew: same thing happened....... http://www.mirc.net/paste/?1366 |
| 19:56.26 | jetscreamer | digital-irony: ^^ |
| 19:56.31 | digital-irony | ? |
| 19:56.35 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove ---purge nvidia* first maybe |
| 19:57.01 | sweetandy | \amethyst: libgtk2.0-dev |
| 19:57.07 | Lukian | --- ? |
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| 19:57.09 | hark | eifzon: rar is in non-free (/msg dpkg non-free) |
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| 19:57.26 | digital-irony | k |
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| 19:57.52 | hark | noone: aptitude install xfce4 |
| 19:57.52 | b3nj | hark: thanks. it worked |
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| 19:57.56 | sweetandy | There goes the gnome-control-center... |
| 19:58.30 | noone | hark : i know, but i'm courious is it possible to install it automatically, when i'm installing system |
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| 19:58.57 | sweetandy | I mean come on, I told it to install a Dev package and now I'm losing the GNOME? I mean, not like I object or anything, I haven't booted into the GNOME in months. But still! |
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| 19:59.11 | \amethyst | sweetandy: How did you install it? apt-get or aptitude? |
| 19:59.18 | sweetandy | \amethyst: apt-get |
| 19:59.24 | sweetandy | \amethyst: I don't much like aptitude. |
| 19:59.25 | \amethyst | sweetandy: and which distribution? etch? |
| 19:59.29 | sweetandy | \amethyst: Lenny |
| 19:59.31 | noone | hark : you know- in the same way as many people installed a gnome |
| 19:59.54 | stew | sweetandy: with apt-get you'll have to be more explicit about what you want it to do, since it isn't as smart as aptitude |
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| 20:00.12 | sweetandy | stew: So by installing something... it removes much of my system by default? |
| 20:00.27 | sweetandy | stew: I guess I should learn aptitude. |
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| 20:01.01 | frank | not so much different from apt-get in usage |
| 20:01.32 | alanhaggai | How can I find out the drives that I have not mounted? |
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| 20:01.39 | hark | noone: ah, you mean via tasksel |
| 20:01.39 | polaris-user1 | hi guys |
| 20:01.48 | noone | yes |
| 20:01.59 | pickcoder | sweetandy: an install of a package should never remove most of your system, unless your base install is outdated and it is being replaced with newer packages too |
| 20:02.00 | \amethyst | alanhaggai: ls -l /dev/disk/by-id |
| 20:02.03 | stew | sweetandy: if you install or upgrade something such that some other already installed package no longer has its conflicts/depends satisfied, apt-get will remove the other thing, aptitude will find several alternative scenarious where maybe you upgrade other packages, install more new pacakges... and let you choose between the alternatives |
| 20:02.08 | polaris-user1 | some knows how to implement a debian box as an router???? |
| 20:02.10 | \amethyst | alanhaggai: those are all the disks that udev knows about |
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| 20:02.14 | noone | should i download/burn any other cd then netinstall? |
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| 20:02.32 | alanhaggai | \amethyst, thank you :) |
| 20:02.54 | sweetandy | stew: Oh... so basically this is a development upgrade? |
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| 20:03.14 | stew | sweetandy: i don't know what a development upgrade is |
| 20:03.22 | polaris-user1 | hi stew |
| 20:03.38 | stew | hi |
| 20:03.50 | sweetandy | stew: Well I told it to install a development package, so basically it's going to be installing versions of things that apply to that package and its dependencies? |
| 20:03.51 | pickcoder | polaris-user1: there are a ton of Linux router how-tos on the web |
| 20:04.07 | polaris-user1 | you can guide me or give me some link to investigate how to implement a debian box as a router? |
| 20:04.34 | stew | polaris-user1: you'll have to be more specific about what you are trying to do |
| 20:04.39 | hark | noone: you can try with "install tasks=xfce-desktop" |
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| 20:05.33 | noone | hark : thanks |
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| 20:05.46 | polaris-user1 | I'm trying to share 2 internet connections to the lan... administer the bandwidth... have a good firewall... proxy... etc |
| 20:05.51 | noone | i've tried to use : tasks="xfce-desktop, standard" |
| 20:06.00 | noone | and it didn't work |
| 20:06.14 | stew | polaris-user1: you have more than one internet connection, and you want to use both? |
| 20:06.22 | noone | maybe without 'standart' it'll work :P |
| 20:06.24 | polaris-user1 | stew: yes |
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| 20:06.30 | stew | polaris-user1: /msg dpkg split access ; you'll going to want to read docs on lartc.org |
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| 20:06.50 | noone | see ya all |
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| 20:07.07 | polaris-user1 | stew: I need have a dhcp with ip assignament by mac addresses too |
| 20:07.24 | stew | polaris-user1: there is lots about bandwidth control at lartc.org, but i recommend using the htb script from wondershaper as a starting point |
| 20:07.29 | pickcoder | polaris-user1: have you run a Linux server before? |
| 20:07.50 | stew | polaris-user1: "aptitude install dhcp3-server" to install a dhcp server, docs in /usr/share/doc/dhcp3-server |
| 20:08.10 | polaris-user1 | stew: that package have that capabilitie? |
| 20:08.22 | stew | polaris-user1: it has "dhcp by mac address" capabilities, yes |
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| 20:09.24 | polaris-user1 | stew: as always.. thanks to you stew... |
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| 20:10.00 | ma3x | what do I do if I remove dpkg? how do I reinstall it? |
| 20:10.23 | stew | ma3x: unpack the package by hand with ar and tar |
| 20:11.15 | ma3x | is .deb file tar archive? |
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| 20:11.25 | stew | ma3x: no, an ar archive |
| 20:11.26 | \amethyst | ma3x: It's an ar archive containing a tar archive |
| 20:11.35 | stew | (2 tar archives, actually :) |
| 20:11.36 | osmosis | how do I find out what package a file came from ? |
| 20:11.36 | \amethyst | ma3x: containing two tar archives, rather |
| 20:11.52 | stew | osmosis: dpkg -S filename ; or install and use dlocate which is faster |
| 20:11.53 | ma3x | i've never used ar |
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| 20:12.21 | \amethyst | ma3x: it works like tar; you want something like ar x dpkg-VERSION.deb ; tar -C / xzf data.tar.gz |
| 20:12.22 | zombor | is there a good howto somewhere on configuring a debian box to connect to a remote PPTP VPN? |
| 20:13.03 | \amethyst | ma3x: then you'll have a dpkg binary which you can use to install dpkg properly (dpkg -i dpkg-VERSION.deb) |
| 20:13.08 | stew | zombor: have you read /usr/share/doc/pptp-linux/README* ? |
| 20:13.34 | stew | ma3x: do we dare ask how you ended up without dpkg? |
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| 20:14.36 | ma3x | stew, i didn't, i was lying in my bed and i thought of it in case it would happen and i came here to ask |
| 20:15.13 | ma3x | anyway thanks stew and \amethyst |
| 20:15.29 | ab3l | hi i'm searching for a task scheduler - tried cron- crontab - kcron - at- and gnome-schedule but for some reason non works for me.. There're other pgrams ? |
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| 20:15.45 | stew | ab3l: why doesn't cron work for you? |
| 20:16.06 | ma3x | is anyone else having trouble with apt-spy in etch? it segfaults |
| 20:16.06 | frank | ab3l: maybe you should tell us what you wanna do? |
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| 20:16.14 | stew | ma3x: /msg dpkg bts |
| 20:16.16 | ab3l | stew, i dunno cron daemon is running but task planned aren't executed |
| 20:16.29 | stew | ab3l: how did you add the task to cron? |
| 20:16.43 | ma3x | stew, i see the bugs, but it's been a long time, they still haven't fixed it? |
| 20:16.52 | ab3l | and if it try "command | at %date%" it's executed instanttly and not when scheduled |
| 20:16.55 | stew | ma3x: i don't know if they fixed it, the bts would know |
| 20:17.10 | ma3x | stew, you don't use apt-spy? |
| 20:17.14 | stew | ma3x: no |
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| 20:18.02 | stew | ab3l: you want: echo command | at date |
| 20:18.02 | zombor | stew: no, that doesnt exist, what package do i need to install? |
| 20:18.02 | karsten | ab3l: You have "command | at %date%" in your crontab? |
| 20:18.02 | stew | zombor: pptp-linux |
| 20:18.02 | karsten | ab3l: ... literally? |
| 20:18.02 | zombor | stew: alright thanks |
| 20:18.46 | stew | karsten: no, he was deciding not to tell me how he editied the crontab and move onto why at wasn't working |
| 20:18.46 | karsten | ab3l: cron, at, and batch all run a bit differently. |
| 20:18.47 | bh | After removing the login manager and starting X from the terminal with startx, I get a big ugly 'x' instead of the default arrow pointer (or any custom cursor theme) |
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| 20:19.02 | ab3l | stew, i edited crontab using kcron and i'm sure it was edited right |
| 20:19.18 | ab3l | i also tried AT as a way to schedule but didn't work |
| 20:19.22 | stew | ab3l: can you put the output of "crontab -l" into a pastebin? |
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| 20:19.34 | stew | ab3l: how did you run at? |
| 20:19.39 | ab3l | ok just a moment |
| 20:20.04 | stew | ab3l: you want: 'echo command | at date' not 'command | at date' |
| 20:20.26 | \amethyst | btw, if you use bash, you can shorten that to at date <<<"command" |
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| 20:20.59 | karsten | ab3l: For cron, you want to edit a crontab (or crontab directory) to add the job to run at a specific time. man 5 crontab for details. The "crontab" command is used to manipulate user crontabs. There's also a systemwide crontab (/etc/crontab) with a slightly different format (includes userid to run job as), and a number of directories: /etc/cron.d/ (files are essentially crontab (system) fragments), and /etc/cron/{hourly,daily,weekly,monthly}, w |
| 20:21.32 | karsten | There's also a systemwide crontab (/etc/crontab) with a slightly different format (includes userid to run job as), and a number of directories: /etc/cron.d/ (files are essentially crontab (system) fragments), and /etc/cron/{hourly,daily,weekly,monthly}, which are executed (by the system crontab) once per hour/day/week/month. Many Debian packages put tasks in these directreis. Files are essentially shell scripts. |
| 20:21.38 | karsten | (In case the first was cut off). |
| 20:22.16 | karsten | ab3l: For 'at' you submit jobs with "at <timespec> <return>" or "echo 'commandlist' | at <timespec>" |
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| 20:22.42 | karsten | ab3l: batch works like at except that jobs are executed as soon as possible given the queue limitations, system load, etc. |
| 20:22.52 | ab3l | # testing crontab |
| 20:22.52 | ab3l | 25 22 23 6 * /usr/bin/vlc |
| 20:22.59 | slack101 | stew, i started the server back in normal mode ....all works |
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| 20:23.06 | karsten | ab3l: echo "echo this job is done now" | at now + 5 minutes |
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| 20:23.28 | karsten | ab3l: ... will run the command "echo this job is done now" five minutes (or more) in the future. |
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| 20:23.34 | bh | never mind, found it - .xdefaults :P |
| 20:23.36 | ab3l | karsten: that runs the command instantly on my system |
| 20:23.50 | stew | ab3l: you realize that won't run until next year, right? |
| 20:23.53 | karsten | ab3l: The timespec is actually the soonest time the job will run, not the exact time it will run. |
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| 20:24.14 | ab3l | karsten: stew what won't run ? |
| 20:24.17 | karsten | ab3l: pastebin your commands and responses. |
| 20:24.24 | stew | ab3l: that cronjob wont run until next year |
| 20:24.24 | karsten | 13:22 < ab3l> 25 22 23 6 * /usr/bin/vlc |
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| 20:24.40 | rvsjoen | hmm... I started a torrent using torrentflux on my server, and now I can no longer access it's services, its running ftp, ssh and www. I am able to telnet and connect to the open port (f.ex port 21) but nothing more happens... |
| 20:24.43 | karsten | ab3l: The runtime criteria have already passed for that event. |
| 20:24.50 | Tsarin | I am ssh'ing into a remote DEBIAN box and the DISPLAY variable is not getting set. I am having trouble figuring out why. X11Forwarding is on |
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| 20:24.53 | alexou | hello |
| 20:24.57 | stew | ab3l: and also, when that crontab executes, it won't know where you expect the vlc window to appear if you are expecting it to pop up a window in x |
| 20:25.07 | Tsarin | has anyone else dealt with this? |
| 20:25.23 | alexou | can i move my screen on the left with xorg.conf ? |
| 20:25.23 | \amethyst | Tsarin: X11Forwarding is enabled both server- and client-side? |
| 20:25.31 | Tsarin | yup |
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| 20:25.56 | stew | Tsarin: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 20:25.57 | \amethyst | Tsarin: if you turn up the verbosity, does it show any errors about the X forwarding? |
| 20:26.08 | stew | Tsarin: is xbase-clients installed on both? |
| 20:26.13 | karsten | Tsarin: Does the remote system enable X11 forwarding? |
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| 20:26.27 | Tsarin | not sure what xbase-clients is |
| 20:26.37 | \amethyst | Tsarin: that's the package the xauth command is in |
| 20:26.37 | Tsarin | local box is a mac laptop |
| 20:26.39 | stew | Tsarin: its a package |
| 20:26.39 | ab3l | btw the problem is this: i did a script that launches vlc and records TV to named file. if vlc can't be attached to an x server isn't a problem it is capable of saviing in console mode - the problem is it is not started at all |
| 20:26.50 | Tsarin | got xauth |
| 20:26.52 | karsten | ab3l: If you want to run X commands in a crontab you need to explicitly specify the display value / variable. |
| 20:27.02 | stew | Tsarin: got xauth on both sides? |
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| 20:27.12 | \amethyst | Tsarin: is DISPLAY set in the shell on the Mac before you run ssh? |
| 20:27.17 | Tsarin | ACK! |
| 20:27.19 | Tsarin | nope |
| 20:27.26 | Tsarin | need xauth on the debian box |
| 20:27.30 | Tsarin | :/ |
| 20:27.32 | Tsarin | 1 sec |
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| 20:27.44 | KyNDeR | could someone tell me which debian repository is good for synaptic |
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| 20:27.45 | KyNDeR | ? |
| 20:27.46 | karsten | Feh: sarge -> lenny upgrade deadlock. /usr/sbin/add-shell is in both debianutils and passwd. |
| 20:27.56 | \amethyst | KyNDeR: what do you mean? |
| 20:28.00 | karsten | KyNDeR: Any of them. |
| 20:28.05 | ab3l | karsten: (where i'm it 22:27 NOW ;) ) |
| 20:28.11 | \amethyst | KyNDeR: Are you asking which mirror to use, or which version of debian, or something else? |
| 20:28.29 | KyNDeR | \amethyst: which mirror ! |
| 20:28.55 | karsten | !mirros |
| 20:29.00 | Tsarin | that helped! not quite there yet |
| 20:29.01 | karsten | !mirrors |
| 20:29.01 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 20:29.04 | \amethyst | KyNDeR: maybe ftp.br.debian.org ? |
| 20:29.13 | KyNDeR | tks karsten |
| 20:29.22 | KyNDeR | \amethyst: tks |
| 20:29.23 | Tsarin | I not have DISPLAY:10.0 on the debian box (YEAH) |
| 20:29.31 | Tsarin | oops I now have DISPLAY:10.0 on the debian box (YEAH) |
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| 20:29.46 | \amethyst | Tsarin: and can you run, say, xterm? |
| 20:29.50 | Tsarin | but I get "X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication." |
| 20:29.54 | karsten | Tsarin: That should be the value of DISPLAY on the *REMOTE* box, under normal circumstances. |
| 20:30.02 | Tsarin | yup |
| 20:30.10 | karsten | Tsarin: That smells like an xauth issue. |
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| 20:30.31 | karsten | Tsarin: xauth list # run on both systems |
| 20:30.38 | Tsarin | do I have to punch a hole in the mac laptop firewall? |
| 20:30.45 | karmatronic | Tsarin: what s the problem? |
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| 20:30.52 | stew | Tsarin: no, it all goes over the ssh connection |
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| 20:31.19 | Tsarin | xauth list lists the problem |
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| 20:31.33 | Tsarin | the remote deb box still thinks it is in the last colo facility! :/ |
| 20:31.35 | karsten | Tsarin: Cool |
| 20:31.41 | karsten | Tsarin: ... now fix it ;-) |
| 20:31.45 | Tsarin | wrong domain name |
| 20:31.50 | Tsarin | more than 1 sec |
| 20:32.11 | eifzon | hmm, how do i check my current kernel? |
| 20:32.24 | \amethyst | eifzon: uname -r |
| 20:32.44 | eifzon | hm, shall i run 2.6.18-4-486 or 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 20:32.48 | eifzon | i think 486 is better :) |
| 20:32.58 | \amethyst | eifzon: what CPU do you have? |
| 20:33.03 | eifzon | Core2Duo |
| 20:33.06 | karsten | eifzon: I prefer a broad-point permanent black marker. |
| 20:33.06 | Tsarin | looks like I need to reset my ssh host keys |
| 20:33.08 | wols_ | -686 |
| 20:33.13 | \amethyst | eifzon: You want either -686 or -amd64 then |
| 20:33.20 | eifzon | \amethyst: okok |
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| 20:34.38 | Tsarin | so when I moved my box I resest the network, changed the hostname - uname and hostname are correct. xauth still lists the old hostname |
| 20:35.25 | jnorell | I'd like to use etch's encrypted root filesystem setup on a somewhat flaky laptop; am I just begging for total filesystem loss, or does encryption not make that any worse than unencrypted? |
| 20:35.32 | \amethyst | Tsarin: is there something funny in /etc/hosts ? |
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| 20:35.49 | Tsarin | just a 127 listing |
| 20:36.00 | Tsarin | 127.0.0.1 biocontact.org localhost.localdomain localhost |
| 20:36.05 | ab3l | stew, so there's a way ? |
| 20:36.21 | Tsarin | that's the new domain |
| 20:36.31 | demo_ | I would like to run fglrx when i run module-assistant it gives error "the kernel headers for kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers" |
| 20:36.42 | KyNDeR | !mirrors |
| 20:36.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 20:36.47 | eifzon | \amethyst: it seems my nvidia driver wont work if i use i686 |
| 20:36.53 | eifzon | \amethyst: it did when i used ubuntu |
| 20:37.22 | \amethyst | eifzon: you need an nvidia kernel driver compiled against the specific kernel you use |
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| 20:38.01 | demo_ | what would be a sensible thing to do please? |
| 20:38.01 | frank | demo_: then they are probably not installed |
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| 20:38.18 | eifzon | \amethyst: where do i find a nvidia kernel for i686? |
| 20:38.20 | demo_ | how do i go about doing that please? |
| 20:38.34 | karsten | \amethyst: Damn! I just checked /etc/hosts and found a knock-knock joke I'd never heard before! |
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| 20:39.00 | frank | demo_: what does uname -r say? |
| 20:39.03 | karsten | demo_: Install the kernel-headers package for your kernel. |
| 20:39.24 | demo_ | 2.6.20-1-686 |
| 20:39.47 | demo_ | i cannot find the package in debian repo |
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| 20:39.54 | frank | then install kernel-headers-2.6.20-1-686 |
| 20:40.32 | demo_ | ahh i think my kernel is not in debian yet |
| 20:40.36 | frank | which version are you using and where did you get that kernel |
| 20:40.39 | demo_ | I remember now |
| 20:40.46 | Tsarin | does anyone know how to regenerate ssh host keys? |
| 20:40.56 | demo_ | i had to upgrade to get wifi card working ages ago |
| 20:41.17 | demo_ | don't remember where i got the kernel |
| 20:41.28 | frank | demo_: if you wanna compile modules for your kernel you will need the headers for that kernel |
| 20:41.28 | karmatronic | !ssh-keygen |
| 20:41.28 | dpkg | create a dsa key with ssh-keygen -t dsa ; then copy it to a remote host with ssh-copy-id user@remotehost ; also look at ssh-agent/ssh-add |
| 20:41.38 | Tsarin | thanks |
| 20:41.38 | demo_ | not really a debian problem |
| 20:41.44 | karsten | Tsarin: I always have to look up the commands in the ssh-server postinst files. |
| 20:41.48 | demo_ | I will ask in #linux |
| 20:42.00 | karsten | karmatronic: Wrong factoid. |
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| 20:42.09 | Tsarin | karsten: how do you find those? |
| 20:42.14 | gumpish | What's necessary to prevent the dhcp client from running? |
| 20:42.41 | karsten | Tsarin: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<packagename>-postinst |
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| 20:42.51 | karsten | gumpish: Restraint. |
| 20:43.02 | Tsarin | thank you |
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| 20:44.17 | gumpish | No manual entry for restraint |
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| 20:45.00 | dkr | gumpish: man interfaces |
| 20:45.14 | gumpish | yeah I have interfaces set... |
| 20:45.17 | dkr | edit /etc/network/interfaces to replace dhcp with whatever is appropriate |
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| 20:45.35 | karsten | ssh-keygen -q -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key -t rsa1; ssh-keygen -q -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key -t dsa; # should do it. |
| 20:45.44 | gnat_x | i am running etch with apache and suphp, i'm trying to use mediawiki1.7, and am getting this error from suphp: Script "/var/lib/mediawiki1.7/index.php" resolving to "/usr/share/mediawiki1.7/index.php" not within configured docroot. i'm not positive how to make suphp accept those paths. |
| 20:45.51 | karsten | gumpish: Damn, I guess restraint is an undocumented feature in bian. |
| 20:45.56 | karsten | s/bian/debian/ |
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| 20:46.25 | karsten | gumpish: If you don't want to run the dhcp client, don't run it, is what I was saying, in a smart-assed kind of way. |
| 20:46.30 | Tsarin | karsten: yup reading that now |
| 20:46.53 | dkr | gnat_x: enable the followsymlinks option in apache config? |
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| 20:48.30 | gnat_x | dkr: thanks, will give it a shot. |
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| 20:49.57 | gnat_x | dkr: hrm the <Directory> has Options +FollowSymLinks in it already. |
| 20:50.00 | Tsarin | it owrks! |
| 20:50.02 | Tsarin | ha |
| 20:50.05 | Tsarin | it works! |
| 20:50.10 | gnat_x | should i add it to the whole vhost? |
| 20:50.11 | Tsarin | myfingers don't |
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| 20:50.19 | eifzon | why is my nvidia drinver ONLY working on i486, i want it work on i686 |
| 20:50.29 | abrotman | did you rebiuld it on the 686 kernel ? |
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| 20:50.43 | Tsarin | I also had to add ~/.ssh/rc to write the xauth |
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| 20:51.47 | dkr | gnat_x: hrm, yeah, actually, followsymlinks woul dwork if error was from apache about link outside of docroot, but your error is from suphp, so I guess you need to looka t suphp options/restrictions. (never used it) |
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| 20:53.03 | gnat_x | yeah there is a file that specifies the docroot for suphp, i added more lines but that does nothing. i was hoping i could find someone in here who might know suphp. |
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| 20:53.29 | nxvl_ | is there any printable version of Debian New Maintainers' Guide ?? |
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| 20:55.00 | demo_ | This may be a daft question but does anyone know how unstable the 2.6.21 kernel is? I am running 2.6.20 and find it stable (it also means i can run my wifi card) |
| 20:55.40 | Exy | it seems fine |
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| 20:57.27 | karmatronic | demo_: works perfect here |
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| 20:57.35 | demo_ | thanks |
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| 20:57.53 | jtg23 | hey all, i have a computer that worked fine and then i turned it off, moved it, and rebooted and it won't go into x |
| 20:58.14 | jtg23 | it says "cannot open display: fatal server error no screens found" - does anyone know what this might mean? |
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| 20:58.33 | stew | !drxx jtg23 |
| 20:58.33 | dpkg | jtg23: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 20:59.17 | printman | hi, i got a problem - printing is extremely slow - printer: epson stylus photo rx560 - driver pipslite-cupspipslite-cups |
| 20:59.29 | jtg23 | stew that was amazing, how do i ask about if i changed xf86config on my own? |
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| 20:59.45 | stew | jtg23: are you running xfree86 or xorg? |
| 20:59.47 | helo | wtf?! tab completion when using scp?! shall i crap myself? |
| 20:59.56 | printman | *pipslite-cups |
| 20:59.57 | jtg23 | xfree86 |
| 21:00.04 | feathers | When dealing with the ati drivers, must the kernel headers be installed if I'm downloading the prebuilt package? (running etch currently) I think I have my xorg.conf written correctly but just can't figure out why the system won't switch from the mesa driver. |
| 21:00.11 | stew | jtg23: /msg dpkg xmd5sum |
| 21:00.15 | junix|work | is there a program that will monitor disc writes on a software raid? |
| 21:00.23 | stew | jtg23: is there a reason you haven't upgraded to etch yet? |
| 21:00.49 | jtg23 | well to be honest i just started as a debian admin to fill in for another guy who's now incommunicado and each machine is different |
| 21:00.54 | jtg23 | i will make them uniform when i make them operable |
| 21:01.13 | jtg23 | hm, suppose i have upgraded to etch, how do i know? |
| 21:01.22 | jtg23 | cat /proc/version or something? |
| 21:01.24 | stew | jtg23: what version of libc6 is installed? |
| 21:01.30 | lymeca | I run Debian on my workstation and I don't want to run an MTA locally. I run a SMTP+IMAP server remotely and I use that for e-mail. Can I safely disable exim4 (my current MTA) from restarting again? |
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| 21:01.38 | stew | jtg23: there is /etc/debian_version but it is unreliable |
| 21:01.40 | dkr | jtg23: /etc/debian_version |
| 21:01.47 | dondelelcaro | jtg23: /etc/debian_version; apt-cache policy; will also clue you in |
| 21:01.55 | helo | that is the craziest thing evar... |
| 21:02.35 | streuner | nothing is crazier vs. life â„¢ |
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| 21:03.24 | eifzon | could anyone help me with my nvidia? |
| 21:03.26 | jtg23 | alright i'll try these things and hopefully have luck |
| 21:03.29 | jtg23 | thx everyone |
| 21:03.30 | eifzon | i made it to install the nvidia-glx, but then i have to run i486 to get nvidia working |
| 21:03.35 | eifzon | and i want to run i686! |
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| 21:04.43 | streuner | What difference should it make? |
| 21:04.46 | helo | streuner: remote path tab completion is crazier vs life! |
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| 21:04.57 | streuner | hehe |
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| 21:05.50 | streuner | eifzon: you made i486 work, what do you think is the effort for i686? |
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| 21:06.03 | karsten | lymeca: Unless you've got a really good reason *NOT* to run an MTA, just leave it be. Configure for local transport only if you really don't it to talk to anything. There are also a copule of really minimal MTAs for the basics (cron/at messages, etc.). Linux more or less assumes mail works. |
| 21:06.16 | eifzon | streuner: cause i got a core2duo computer, it runs best with i686, and i could run my nvidia driver perfectly on ubuntu with i686 so |
| 21:06.25 | karsten | !nvidia |
| 21:06.25 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 21:06.38 | karsten | eifzon: ^^ |
| 21:06.38 | printman | hi, i got a problem - printing is extremely slow - printer: epson stylus photo rx560 - driver pipslite-cups |
| 21:07.16 | karsten | !tell printman about repeat |
| 21:07.20 | streuner | check out linuxprinting.org for other drivers, if you think its a driver problem |
| 21:07.32 | karsten | helo: scp tab-completes? |
| 21:07.41 | karsten | helo: ... noninteractively? |
| 21:07.46 | eifzon | karsten: you know how to fix this |
| 21:07.55 | karsten | eifzon: No. |
| 21:07.58 | ludwig_ | Is there a way to customize passwd's prompt to inform the user of PAM-enforced password quality policy? |
| 21:08.22 | karsten | ludwig_: IIRC that's a banner invoked by login. |
| 21:08.40 | printman | streuner: that is the driver reccomended by EPSON - btw i want to try with gutenprint ... but i haven't been successfult updating it to version 5.13 (which support rx560) |
| 21:08.51 | junix|work | is there a program that will monitor disc writes on a software raid? |
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| 21:09.16 | karsten | junix|work: Um, iostat, atop, maybe? |
| 21:09.44 | streuner | printman: so what stops you to install gutenprint, its in Debian... |
| 21:10.06 | junix|work | karsten: thanks |
| 21:10.09 | printman | ? |
| 21:10.25 | printman | i've gunteprint 5.0.3 installed but need to updaate to 5.1.3 |
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| 21:11.14 | streuner | oh, ic |
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| 21:11.48 | streuner | !info cupsys-driver-gutenprint |
| 21:11.50 | dpkg | cupsys-driver-gutenprint: (printer drivers for CUPS), section graphics, is optional. Version: 5.0.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 979 kB, Installed size: 1244 kB |
| 21:11.53 | helo | karsten: yeah... it is insane... you have to have passwordless authentication (with keys) setup first, but you can scp user@server:/etc/hosts.al<tab> and it will complete the rest :D |
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| 21:12.42 | karsten | helo: What shell? |
| 21:12.44 | printman | streuner: i downloaded source of 5.13 di ./configure - make -- make install - but system still has 5.0.4 |
| 21:12.49 | printman | 5.0.3* |
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| 21:13.02 | helo | karsten: bash |
| 21:13.16 | karsten | helo: F*CK ME! OMG. |
| 21:13.16 | streuner | printman: make a deb out of the tarball |
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| 21:13.53 | printman | ? |
| 21:14.00 | karsten | helo: When the heck did that happen? |
| 21:14.02 | streuner | printman: all you need is debian/rules, just get that and make a deb out of it |
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| 21:14.22 | streuner | printman: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 21:14.38 | Gul | hi, is there a program under debian which tells me the owner of a file? |
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| 21:14.46 | helo | karsten: yeah, it just made my day :) |
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| 21:14.52 | Gul | under rh i have `owner` |
| 21:14.55 | karsten | Gul: ls |
| 21:15.02 | frank | Gul: ls -l |
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| 21:15.03 | streuner | Gul: /msg dpkg permissions |
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| 21:15.16 | helo | apparently it is controlled by /etc/bash_completion |
| 21:15.29 | karsten | helo: Um, I don't think it's doing that. Are you sure that your filesystem structure isn't the same on both sides? |
| 21:15.34 | georgy28 | Gul : ls -l file |
| 21:15.46 | karsten | helo: I'm traversing a path I know I've got remotely but not locally, it doesn't expand. |
| 21:15.49 | Gul | ls -l file gives me too much info |
| 21:16.06 | Gul | (which i could parse) |
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| 21:17.05 | karsten | Gul: Which RH? |
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| 21:17.10 | scenestar | good eve |
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| 21:17.23 | scenestar | i have a problem with a debian server |
| 21:17.37 | helo | karsten: yeah, i'm positive it is working here... the remote host is a redhat box with all kinds of nasty stuff in /opt that i don't have installed |
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| 21:17.42 | scenestar | after i invok /etc/init.d/networking restart the network wont come up again |
| 21:18.14 | scenestar | i have to reset the server for it to come up again |
| 21:18.16 | karsten | helo: Definitely _not_ working here best I can tell. |
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| 21:18.47 | frank | Gul: stat --format =%U file |
| 21:18.52 | frank | Gul: stat --format=%U file |
| 21:19.08 | scenestar | i cant ping my own nic either |
| 21:19.43 | helo | karsten: look in /etc/bash_completion:2566 if you're running latest etch |
| 21:20.00 | Gul | karsten: rh7.3 |
| 21:20.03 | karsten | scenestar: what interface, what error messages? What's "ifconfig <interface>" say? Try "ifconfig <interface> down; ifdown <interface>; Then try to bring it up again. |
| 21:20.16 | eifzon | gah? is on one good here at nvidia/nvidia kernels? |
| 21:20.30 | helo | karsten: you can see where it ssh's into the remote host and gets the output of ls, etc |
| 21:20.43 | scenestar | karsten im connected via SSH |
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| 21:20.58 | Gul | frank: nice! that was exactly what i was looking for. thank you. |
| 21:21.06 | karsten | helo: Right. |
| 21:21.12 | scenestar | and when i do eth0 down |
| 21:21.14 | scenestar | it dies |
| 21:21.15 | scenestar | :P |
| 21:21.27 | karsten | Gul: I suspect "owner" is a shell script, function, or alias which does just that. |
| 21:21.36 | karsten | scenestar: "it" ? |
| 21:21.49 | Gul | karsten: lemme find out |
| 21:22.00 | karsten | Gul: Possibly locally defined. I don't find any command on rhel3 or rhel4 |
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| 21:22.21 | Gul | just migrating rh7.3 -> debian etch, what an absolute joy it is :) |
| 21:22.35 | scenestar | karsten networking |
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| 21:23.43 | jnorell | I'd like to use etch's encrypted root filesystem setup on a somewhat flaky laptop; am I just begging for total filesystem loss, or does encryption not make that any worse than unencrypted? |
| 21:23.55 | Gul | ohh, it is actually a 3 line ruby script, i like the stat command better :) |
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| 21:24.21 | F-Lelo | Hi guys |
| 21:24.29 | F-Lelo | can't remember how I change locales for apache... |
| 21:24.41 | F-Lelo | my web pages keep showing question marks instead of the accented vowel |
| 21:24.44 | karsten | Gul: Welcome to the current millennium. |
| 21:25.13 | karsten | f-eYou're going to want to set encoding (on the server), and ensure you've got a font with the appropriate characters (on your browser). |
| 21:25.17 | \amethyst | F-Lelo: What's the URL? |
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| 21:25.21 | Gul | karsten: thanks |
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| 21:25.24 | gat-man | guys I just apt-update, and I got this message: http://24.64.120.79/error.txt |
| 21:25.52 | F-Lelo | karsten: how do I set this encoding? |
| 21:26.14 | F-Lelo | \amethyst: don't think u need the url for that hehehe |
| 21:26.21 | karsten | gat-man: /topic |
| 21:26.39 | \amethyst | F-Lelo: What encoding are the files actually in, and what encoding are they being served as? |
| 21:27.03 | F-Lelo | \amethyst: it should be pt_br |
| 21:27.15 | \amethyst | F-Lelo: pt_br isn't an encoding |
| 21:27.27 | \amethyst | F-Lelo: ISO-8859-1, ISO-8859-15, or UTF-8 ? |
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| 21:27.44 | alexou | I install beryl and : libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b |
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| 21:28.06 | F-Lelo | zamuro: how do I check hat |
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| 21:29.40 | F-Lelo | ops |
| 21:29.45 | F-Lelo | \amethyst: how do I check it? |
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| 21:29.55 | gat-man | <karsten> what about the topic? |
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| 21:30.49 | georgy28 | F-Lelo, : /etc/apache2/conf.d/charset |
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| 21:31.08 | F-Lelo | UTF-8 |
| 21:31.12 | \amethyst | F-Lelo: if you're using pt_br, it's probably ISO-8859-1 (Latin-1) |
| 21:31.16 | cydork | gat-man: PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE part in topic. |
| 21:31.31 | F-Lelo | hmmm so it should be ISO-8859-1 but it is UTF-8 |
| 21:31.42 | F-Lelo | do I change on /etc/apache2/conf.d/charset to it and restart apache? |
| 21:31.50 | slack101 | stew, you still there ? |
| 21:31.55 | georgy28 | F-Lelo, : yes |
| 21:32.01 | F-Lelo | ok, let me try:) |
| 21:32.03 | stew | slack101: yes, steve probably is as well |
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| 21:32.49 | \amethyst | F-Lelo: Edit the file then do /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload |
| 21:32.50 | slack101 | stew, iam ssh'd in everything seems cool but its still getting that error, what should i do ? |
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| 21:33.05 | Bi||aBong | i burn a data dvd with the *.vob and others files but this don't play |
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| 21:33.11 | slack101 | steve, also should fstab showthe swap ? |
| 21:33.16 | stew | ... |
| 21:33.17 | mo1991 | can someone help me configuring exim4 |
| 21:33.24 | F-Lelo | cool.. Thanks \amethyst and georgy28 |
| 21:33.26 | F-Lelo | it works :) |
| 21:33.28 | mo1991 | I believe it is set up to send mail but doesn't send |
| 21:33.40 | mo1991 | looking to see how I troubleshoot it |
| 21:33.57 | stew | slack101: what error, show me the output of "mount ; mount -a ; fdisk -ls" use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:33.58 | mo1991 | trying to send mail from localhost sendmail |
| 21:34.04 | stew | slack101: and please stop calling me steve |
| 21:34.19 | georgy28 | F-Lelo, : np ;) |
| 21:34.29 | F-Lelo | ;)) |
| 21:34.38 | Bi||aBong | somebody can help me? |
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| 21:34.56 | \amethyst | gat-man: Do you trust trevi55@gmail.com ? |
| 21:35.07 | gat-man | huh? |
| 21:35.15 | \amethyst | gat-man: that's the owner of that public key |
| 21:35.33 | gat-man | I dunno what a public key is really, but I got it working... |
| 21:35.51 | gat-man | :) |
| 21:35.58 | beefsalad | I did a dist-upgrade on my unstable install today, and now X does not work. I use the i810 driver (i830M chipset), when I startx I get errors regarding sil164 and ch7xxx, http://lists.freedesktoip.org/archives/xorg/2006-November.txt.gz contains dialog between a few people in regards to an identical issue...can anyone provide suggestions on getting this issue fixed? |
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| 21:36.23 | gat-man | quit <brb, restarting X> |
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| 21:36.41 | Maerz | Bi||aBong apt-cache show dvdauthor |
| 21:36.41 | slack101 | stew, http://phpfi.com/245716 |
| 21:36.46 | Maerz | lol |
| 21:36.52 | mo1991 | do I need to have sendmail installed for exim to send mail out? |
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| 21:36.58 | mo1991 | I have exim installed but not sendmail |
| 21:37.01 | petemc | no |
| 21:37.02 | beefsalad | no |
| 21:37.08 | petemc | exim is a replacement for sendmail |
| 21:37.25 | Maliuta | in which universe? |
| 21:37.26 | mo1991 | so what do I put in the smtp portion of my client to send mail |
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| 21:37.29 | mo1991 | localhost? |
| 21:37.48 | petemc | mo1991: you need to configure exim, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 21:37.55 | mo1991 | I did that |
| 21:37.55 | petemc | Maliuta: hmm? |
| 21:38.00 | mo1991 | petemc |
| 21:38.06 | mo1991 | did standard config |
| 21:38.07 | petemc | mo1991: then check the log, /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 21:38.07 | stew | slack101: and what exactly is the error you are referring to? |
| 21:38.09 | Maliuta | mo1991: does your isp have an outgoing smtp server you should be hubbing through? |
| 21:38.12 | karmatronic | mo1991: use postfix |
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| 21:38.16 | mo1991 | yes it does |
| 21:38.23 | pickcoder | mo1991: there are sendmail compatibility tools for applications that are used to sendmail-type command line tools |
| 21:38.24 | mo1991 | exim should just work to send mail correct |
| 21:38.30 | beefsalad | is it just me, or is unstable really screwed up at the moment? |
| 21:38.34 | Maliuta | mo1991: then there you go |
| 21:38.58 | slack101 | stew, you saw the screen , failed to mount local file systems |
| 21:39.03 | Maliuta | mo1991: unless you really need to setup an MTA for network reasons just forward through your ISP |
| 21:39.04 | mo1991 | do I use localhost as the smtp in my email client ?? |
| 21:39.26 | mo1991 | Maliuta I know, just like to be able to send straight from my box |
| 21:39.35 | mo1991 | sendmail did this by default |
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| 21:39.50 | mo1991 | how do I set up exim to be smtp server |
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| 21:39.58 | pickcoder | MTAs in general accept and send mail.. |
| 21:40.08 | pickcoder | exim, postfix, and sendmail are all MTAs |
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| 21:40.41 | Maliuta | there are a number of reasons you might not be able to get an outgoing smtp connection though |
| 21:40.55 | karmatronic | mo1991: juste dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
| 21:41.02 | Maliuta | these days most ISP's are forcing people through their mailhubs to reduce spam |
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| 21:41.09 | Suprano | my /proc/acpi/battery dir is empty after i recompiled my kernel, although i compiled acpi and battery and smart battery into the kernel. Any ideas ? |
| 21:41.15 | slack101 | stew, anything ? |
| 21:41.16 | dromer | heuhm, doing (another) debootstrap (sarge again) trying to install the kernel (2.6-386) from chroot and I get: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: Cannot determine root device I mounted /dev/ and /proc/ to the chroot |
| 21:41.17 | pickcoder | mo1991: do you plan on accepting mail from the Internet? |
| 21:41.19 | karmatronic | mo1991: choose option 1 |
| 21:41.29 | Suprano | (i am running a T23) |
| 21:41.30 | mo1991 | karmatronic - I did that |
| 21:41.34 | wols_ | and if they don't force you, many MTAs won't accept a connection from you since you're in a dilaup range |
| 21:41.36 | mo1991 | not sure what options tho |
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| 21:41.46 | wols_ | which means you should use a smarthiost (like your ISP) anyways |
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| 21:41.51 | karmatronic | mo1991: and put a correct visible name |
| 21:41.58 | mo1991 | karmatronic what should I put in theas the smtp |
| 21:42.04 | mo1991 | shouldn't localhost just work |
| 21:42.08 | karmatronic | mo1991: like mo1992.dyndns.org |
| 21:42.25 | karmatronic | mo1991: if you want to be able to send mails to internet yes |
| 21:42.31 | mo1991 | ok, but shouldn't putting localhost just work |
| 21:42.51 | karmatronic | mo1991: but if you want people to send mail to you then, obviously you need a correct name |
| 21:43.14 | mo1991 | right, I just want to send out but can't get that working right now either |
| 21:43.37 | mo1991 | using evolution email and putting "localhost" into the smtp field |
| 21:43.45 | petemc | mo1991: people can only guess until you check the logs |
| 21:44.02 | pickcoder | mo1991: is exim running? |
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| 21:44.21 | pickcoder | also check /etc/default/ for an exim file |
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| 21:44.28 | beefsalad | is there an easy way to downgrade certain packages (such as xserver-xorg-video-i810) from unstable to stable/or testing? |
| 21:45.05 | pickcoder | there may be a "start at bootup?" option that you have to manually switch |
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| 21:46.57 | urso_ | Is true the ubuntu founder was the first african go to the space? |
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| 21:47.12 | Ronin | urso_: ask in #ubuntu |
| 21:47.12 | slack101 | stew, nothing ? :P |
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| 21:47.56 | stew | slack101: everything looks ok to me, and it seems to be working, is it just the two entries in /etc/fstab? |
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| 21:48.30 | slack101 | stew, mount is not showing my swap |
| 21:48.51 | slack101 | is that what is not mounting ? |
| 21:48.55 | frank | free will |
| 21:48.56 | mo1991 | Error while reading message with no usable sender address (R=1HbyX4-0005Et-KG): at least one malformed recipient address: root@(none - domain missing or malformed |
| 21:48.58 | slack101 | also df -h is not shwoing my swap |
| 21:49.07 | frank | slack101: free |
| 21:49.07 | stew | slack101: it wouldn't, does cat /proc/swaps show your swap? |
| 21:49.09 | georgy28 | slack101, : free |
| 21:49.13 | mo1991 | is this due to incorrect setup in exim-config |
| 21:49.28 | slack101 | df -h should show your swap though correct ? |
| 21:49.31 | beefsalad | looks like user error...try just mail to root, not root@ |
| 21:49.48 | slack101 | but yea free is shwoing my swap |
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| 21:50.22 | mo1991 | petermc - do I have to have a name setup to eamil out |
| 21:50.42 | slack101 | stew, if i do mount /dev/sda2 << my swap it says mount point does not exist |
| 21:50.53 | pickcoder | mo1991: yes.. you have to have a domain name for return mail. |
| 21:51.08 | pickcoder | you can not use "localhost" unless the mail is being read and delivered locally |
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| 21:51.21 | slack101 | stew, yes it does and about my question about mount /dev/sda2 ? |
| 21:51.30 | slack101 | should i take my swap out of my fstab ? |
| 21:52.28 | stew | slack101: no, leave it there, you can't mount swap |
| 21:52.30 | frank | slack101: no, and mount always needs a mountpoint |
| 21:52.35 | stew | slack101: but it does belong there |
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| 21:53.02 | mo1991 | pickcoder - I just want to be able to send mails out |
| 21:53.02 | stew | slack101: and "df -h" should NOT show your swap |
| 21:53.02 | frank | for swap you use swapon/off |
| 21:53.10 | slack101 | ok |
| 21:53.11 | slack101 | http://phpfi.com/245718 |
| 21:53.18 | mo1991 | pickcoder - I have dsl though so no name |
| 21:53.19 | slack101 | theres everything together |
| 21:53.26 | slack101 | tell me if it all looks right |
| 21:53.33 | slack101 | casue something is casuing this thing to say this |
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| 21:53.58 | mo1991 | mo1991 - I used to be able to just send the mail out regardless and it took the domain name from evolution email for reply to - I used sendmail - can exim not do this |
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| 21:54.13 | mo1991 | ? |
| 21:54.19 | pickcoder | mo1991: I don't run exim, I run postfix so I have no idea. |
| 21:54.22 | maxamillion | anyone know how to set and save the set nice value for a certain application? |
| 21:54.26 | pickcoder | ask #exim |
| 21:54.32 | beefsalad | grrrr damnit, it'd be nice if I could use aptitude |
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| 21:55.59 | slack101 | stew, did you take a look at that last link ? |
| 21:56.36 | demo_ | could anyone tell me how to find kernel headers for a 2.6.20 kernel please? |
| 21:56.36 | damog | beefsalad: aptitude into it! |
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| 21:57.02 | damog | demo_: apt-cache search linux header 2.6.20 |
| 21:57.08 | edistar | when will centerim be in lenny? |
| 21:57.09 | damog | headers, also |
| 21:57.12 | maxamillion | demo_: http://packages.debian.org ... search for them and then install via aptitude or apt-get |
| 21:57.31 | demo_ | maxamillion, it's not in debian yet |
| 21:57.34 | damog | edistar: when it goes through unstable and then passes the urgency period |
| 21:57.41 | edistar | okey :) |
| 21:57.51 | edistar | damog: how long does that usually take? |
| 21:57.51 | demo_ | i know it's not stricctly a #debian question |
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| 21:58.05 | stew | slack101: no i didn't |
| 21:58.13 | demo_ | it's the only way i can get my wifi working though... |
| 21:58.16 | damog | edistar: after it was uploaded to unstable, around 15 days, I think, if it's urgency low |
| 21:58.21 | slack101 | stew, could you please check it overview it one more time for me |
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| 21:59.22 | Min464 | WOW! Free phone calls - http://callfree.point-serv.com/en/ |
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| 21:59.34 | frank | demo_: why don't you just install a debian kernel and headers? i guess that would be easiest for you |
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| 21:59.49 | Ronin | !ops Min464 is spamming free phone calls |
| 21:59.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ronin complains about: Min464 is spamming free phone calls |
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| 21:59.53 | maxamillion | demo_: well technically its not in etch |
| 21:59.59 | MangosDebian | Ronin: good call |
| 22:00.09 | Ronin | id rather have the winning lottery numbers |
| 22:00.46 | karsten | Ronin: But does he have Paris Hilton's number? |
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| 22:00.52 | Ind[y] | I have (for testing reasons) tried to open a file with many different applications, so when I right click to a file of that type, I get a huge menu. How can I remove all the "open with <foo>" options? |
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| 22:01.03 | demo_ | frank - i could not use wireless then |
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| 22:01.28 | demo_ | maxamillion, not in unstable either is it? |
| 22:01.32 | karsten | Ind[y]: What desktop? |
| 22:01.48 | fungo | is someone here using emacs22-gtk? :) |
| 22:01.52 | CalJohn_ | stew: what was that ban for? |
| 22:02.03 | Ind[y] | karsten: gnome |
| 22:02.12 | stew | CalJohn_: Min464 spamming |
| 22:02.30 | Ronin | karsten: ewww even if they do ill pass |
| 22:03.00 | slack101 | stew, anything :D |
| 22:03.01 | Ronin | stew: off topic i know but you got the rims system running? |
| 22:03.16 | stew | i'm busy |
| 22:03.20 | Ronin | :( |
| 22:03.28 | stew | Ronin: not yet |
| 22:03.45 | maxamillion | demo_: yes it is |
| 22:03.52 | Ind[y] | karsten: so, any idea? |
| 22:04.06 | demo_ | ohh OK thanks |
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| 22:04.27 | karsten | Ind[y]: Somewhere in the gnome-control-panel should be a handlers / mime-types type dialog. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to find and confgure this. |
| 22:04.45 | maxamillion | demo_: actually ... 2.6.20 is for sparc and itanium, but it seems that 2.6.21 is for x86 |
| 22:04.58 | Ind[y] | karsten: ok, thanks :P |
| 22:04.58 | dotCOMmie | hello, anyone know if its possible to have keychain start but not ask for passphrase until first login? |
| 22:05.00 | Ind[y] | :-) |
| 22:05.05 | slack101 | has anyone here ever got the error failed to mount local file systems error ? |
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| 22:05.13 | hark | Ind[y]: right click the file; properties->Open With tab. |
| 22:05.23 | dotCOMmie | err |
| 22:05.27 | dotCOMmie | thats not what I mean |
| 22:05.28 | demo_ | maxamillion, do you have a URL?- I have looked but was unable to find |
| 22:05.49 | dotCOMmie | hello, anyone know if its possible to have keychain start but not ask for passphrase until the first time it needs it? |
| 22:05.50 | Ind[y] | hark: I can't remove from there |
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| 22:06.28 | hark | why not? |
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| 22:06.37 | maxamillion | demo_: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kernel&searchon=names&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all |
| 22:06.59 | karsten | dotCOMmie: Which keychain? |
| 22:07.13 | karsten | dotCOMmie: and/or man ssh-agent ssh-add |
| 22:07.33 | dotCOMmie | http://packages.debian.org/testing/net/keychain |
| 22:08.02 | dotCOMmie | karsten: you mean man keychain? |
| 22:08.14 | karsten | dotCOMmie: That too. |
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| 22:08.31 | karsten | dotCOMmie: Dunno. You can use ssh-add to manage passphrases, which is what I do. |
| 22:08.33 | dotCOMmie | I checked keychain main page it didn't say anything |
| 22:08.56 | Ind[y] | karsten: there is no such application as "gnome-control-panel" |
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| 22:09.04 | karsten | dotCOMmie: I don't use keychain, just ssh-agent / ssh-add. |
| 22:09.13 | Ind[y] | hark: There isn't such functionality |
| 22:09.28 | karsten | Ind[y]: gnome-control-something. Maybe "center". It keeps changing, and I don't run GNOME> |
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| 22:10.34 | Ind[y] | karsten: yes, it is center. but this is just the System menu |
| 22:10.53 | MangosDebian | ZOFG! another kerberos bug? Is this the decade of krb bugs or somehitng? a new one every fsckin week! |
| 22:10.56 | Ind[y] | I can't find where to edit the "open with" for each file type |
| 22:11.09 | demo_ | sorry i still don't see a kernel + headers for 686... |
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| 22:11.35 | hark | Ind[y]: is this nautilus? |
| 22:11.37 | karsten | Ind[y]: See above. |
| 22:11.54 | Ind[y] | karsten: where "above"? |
| 22:12.14 | Ind[y] | hark: I use Nautilus but I don't think this is Nautilus-related. |
| 22:12.29 | karsten | Ind[y]: Higher. |
| 22:12.55 | karsten | Ind[y]: gnome-control-something. Maybe "center". It keeps changing, and I don't run GNOME> |
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| 22:13.02 | kryl | hi |
| 22:13.21 | Ind[y] | karsten: yes, it is center |
| 22:13.26 | Ind[y] | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2161195 |
| 22:13.30 | kryl | does anyone allready tryed mysql cluster in real condition ? |
| 22:13.30 | Ind[y] | found it |
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| 22:18.32 | helo | what is the proper way in bash to ls *.[cpp,h]? |
| 22:18.45 | zinx | helo: ls *.cpp *.h :P |
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| 22:18.59 | zinx | helo: you can also do *.{cpp,h}, but that's equivilant |
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| 22:19.03 | ricky | helo: ls *.{cpp,h} |
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| 22:19.10 | helo | ahh, ty |
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| 22:19.24 | zinx | (i.e., the ordering of the arguments before ls sorts them will be *.cpp *.h either way) |
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| 22:21.22 | slack101 | anyone got a min to help me ? |
| 22:22.26 | rahul | slack101: you know better than to ask that... |
| 22:23.08 | slack101 | http://phpfi.com/245718 |
| 22:23.16 | slack101 | rahul, take a look at that |
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| 22:23.40 | slack101 | i am still getting the error failed to mount local file systems .....yet im sshd into the server and i can read / write to the system |
| 22:24.08 | MangosDebian | slack101: how goes the battle? |
| 22:25.03 | slack101 | MangosDebian, server is working iam ssh'd in |
| 22:25.24 | slack101 | i am read / write to the file system but yet when it starts up it still says failed to mount local file system |
| 22:25.25 | slack101 | wierd |
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| 22:25.28 | endra | hey |
| 22:25.39 | endra | say I want the latest version of PHP but im using etch how can I do |
| 22:25.49 | demo_ | hi I have a custom installation of debian i would like to share, could anyone recommend a installer (other than the official installer) that i could use on a live cd? |
| 22:26.01 | MangosDebian | slack101: gratz. fstab issues? |
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| 22:26.32 | slack101 | MangosDebian, i dunno http://phpfi.com/245718 theres about everything about my file system feel free to take a look :P |
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| 22:26.42 | mnguyen | Hi, I have a MAC and a DEBIAN machine and I have an external hard drive I want to use on both systems. Which filesystem should I use for my external HD? |
| 22:26.51 | slack101 | but as i said i can read / write to the file system and i am sshd into in real mode not no network crap |
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| 22:28.22 | MangosDebian | slack101: oh, you mean like a network screen/keyboard or something? |
| 22:28.46 | MangosDebian | drac card i guess? |
| 22:29.40 | slack101 | huh ? |
| 22:30.16 | MangosDebian | http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/power/en/ps2q02_bell |
| 22:30.26 | MangosDebian | i mean like one of those |
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| 22:39.55 | WindowsUninstall | Anyone can tell me how to change compiler used by apt-build? |
| 22:40.58 | Thms_ | my debian server has a big load average ~7.50, and in top there is nothing which use the CPU... |
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| 22:41.27 | stew | Thms_: /msg dpkg am i swapping |
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| 22:41.42 | stew | Thms_: it could be a lot of apps not using cpu but waiting on disk io |
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| 22:42.07 | Thms_ | stew: yes but how can I see i/o ? |
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| 22:42.20 | stew | Thms_: vmstat 1 |
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| 22:43.48 | Thms_ | stew: with vmstat 3 i'm not swapping |
| 22:43.55 | dromer | hmm, what does this mean? <0>Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 22:44.10 | stew | Thms_: look for processes in the D state |
| 22:44.14 | WindowsUninstall | stew, Sorry If I bother you with this stupid questions: did you know how to tell apt-build to use another compiler? |
| 22:44.14 | Thms_ | stew: and with vmstat 1 there is not a lot of i/o |
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| 22:44.21 | stew | WindowsUninstall: no |
| 22:44.33 | Thms_ | stew: with which command for D state? |
| 22:44.39 | stew | Thms_: ps |
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| 22:45.16 | JarJarBinks | how do you make apt-get download multiple packages simultanously (in parallel) |
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| 22:45.29 | stew | JarJarBinks: you can't |
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| 22:45.36 | stew | JarJarBinks: unless they are coming from different releases |
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| 22:45.50 | JarJarBinks | okay |
| 22:45.54 | nvz_ | it already does sometimes if you're getting something big |
| 22:45.56 | Thms_ | stew: how to know the state ? |
| 22:45.57 | pickcoder | WindowsUninstall: look at the manpage for apt-build.. there is a --build-command param |
| 22:46.10 | stew | Thms_: ps aux will tell you in the 8th column |
| 22:46.15 | JarJarBinks | stew: thanks |
| 22:46.37 | JarJarBinks | Thms_: ps auxww will give you the lines with wrap |
| 22:46.56 | Thms_ | stew: nothing in DF state |
| 22:46.58 | Thms_ | D* |
| 22:47.06 | stew | Thms_: what about Z? |
| 22:47.11 | pickcoder | I've always wondered why apt-get didn't fork download processes |
| 22:47.47 | Thms_ | stew: nothing too |
| 22:47.50 | stew | pickcoder: becuase just about anyone should be able to find a mirror to fill their pipe, otherwise they are downloaded so fast it really doesn't matter |
| 22:47.52 | JarJarBinks | I'm pretty sure I've seen a way to do it |
| 22:47.55 | WindowsUninstall | pickcoder, And If I want to gcc-3.4 instrad of gcc-4.1 I can use --build-command, right? |
| 22:47.58 | stew | pickcoder: (that's been my assumption) |
| 22:48.32 | pickcoder | WindowsUninstall: I guess so. I haven't selected a GCC compiler version different than the one my kernel was built using |
| 22:48.40 | pickcoder | kernel modules don't like that |
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| 22:49.04 | pickcoder | stew: I've never found a mirror that could max out my download rate |
| 22:49.24 | Thms_ | stew: any other ideas ? |
| 22:49.41 | pickcoder | mostly because I've never found a mirror that could do over 150KB/sec |
| 22:50.01 | pickcoder | I'm sure the mirrors have throttling in place |
| 22:50.01 | nvz | pickcoder: O.O |
| 22:50.14 | JarJarBinks | pickcoder: same here, unless I've not found one that could give 20Mbit/s |
| 22:50.14 | Thms_ | stew: no 13 of load average |
| 22:50.17 | pickcoder | I've seen packages jump to over 400K and then dwindle down to like 120K |
| 22:50.45 | pickcoder | otherwise one user would saturate the mirror |
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| 22:51.03 | pickcoder | maybe that's why apt-get only allows one download at a time? |
| 22:51.05 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 22:51.11 | JarJarBinks | :) |
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| 22:51.39 | MangosDebian | pickcoder: what about a p2p apt-get? |
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| 22:51.55 | nvz | you people need a local mirror if this is a problem.. any machine/mirror combo I've ever been on its the installing/unpacking that takes a long time.. the downloads are super fast |
| 22:51.57 | pickcoder | p2p? you mean a local repos? |
| 22:51.59 | slack101 | yoo |
| 22:52.05 | slack101 | i still havent got my problem figured out |
| 22:52.16 | slack101 | i dont think its much of an isssue but i would liek to get rid of it |
| 22:52.16 | pickcoder | nvz: except when a version is released as stable |
| 22:52.18 | pickcoder | heh |
| 22:52.19 | unlink | i have kvm support enabled in my kernel, but i cannot see a device /dev/kvm. |
| 22:52.21 | MangosDebian | pickcoder: no, i mean wonder what would be like is apt-get was p2p from each user |
| 22:53.22 | pickcoder | MangosDebian: oh.. I think that would be a organizational nightmare |
| 22:53.44 | unlink | not really |
| 22:53.48 | unlink | you can centralize some things |
| 22:53.59 | WindowsUninstall | And how to change the default compiler? |
| 22:54.08 | MangosDebian | pickcoder: i wouldnt doubt it :) not to mention a security nightmare if any p2p user could see all the packages you have avilable and thus mostlikely installed |
| 22:54.26 | unlink | why would they? |
| 22:54.29 | MangosDebian | WindowsUninstall: you tried export CC="...." yet? |
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| 22:54.46 | WindowsUninstall | MangosDebian, no |
| 22:55.02 | pickcoder | I guess it would work if there was a central p2p manager |
| 22:55.06 | eifzon | When i am trying to install the nvidia-drivers i get this error: Please install your distrubution's libc. |
| 22:55.10 | eifzon | how to fix it? |
| 22:55.18 | MangosDebian | WindowsUninstall: may not work but its worth a shot. thats the usual way to override cc |
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| 22:55.30 | pickcoder | but wouldn't the management of the p2p network just waste more bandwidth in "hey.. are you there?" communications |
| 22:55.49 | MangosDebian | no idea, not a big p2p fan |
| 22:55.52 | slack101 | anyone care to just help me with this small prob for 1 min :P |
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| 22:56.59 | simonrvn | woooot! |
| 22:57.07 | MangosDebian | that and most isp's seem to frown on p2p thinking its pure warez use only. last thing you want is your snooping just cause they see p2p or worse, throttling your connection or canceling your account cause of unacceptable use (hosting a server, which can be interprested anyway they want) |
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| 22:58.04 | jetscreamer | whoot |
| 22:58.26 | MangosDebian | zomg! what simonrvn? |
| 22:58.28 | pickcoder | slack101: what is the exact error message when it boots? |
| 22:58.29 | jetscreamer | eifzon: wtf are you doing |
| 22:58.36 | jetscreamer | i mean exactly |
| 22:58.46 | eifzon | jetscreamer: trying to install my nvidia-drivers |
| 22:58.51 | slack101 | pickcoder, failed ot mount local file systems |
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| 22:59.04 | pickcoder | slack101: at what point do you see that in the boot sequence? |
| 22:59.05 | jetscreamer | how exact and precise are your detailed descriptions, eifzon |
| 22:59.10 | jetscreamer | you rock |
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| 22:59.15 | jetscreamer | !worship eifzon |
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| 22:59.30 | tc-will | where do i find what dns server my server is currently using? |
| 22:59.39 | jetscreamer | eifzon: i mean what commands are you doing |
| 22:59.46 | MangosDebian | /etc/resolve.conf |
| 22:59.51 | mosno | -e |
| 22:59.57 | MangosDebian | ty ;) |
| 22:59.58 | eifzon | jetscreamer: i did it from ctrl+alt+F1, sh NVIDIA... |
| 23:00.02 | eifzon | sudo sh NVIDIA * |
| 23:00.11 | MangosDebian | tc-will: -e as mosno said |
| 23:00.19 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:00.43 | mosno | np. also check /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/hosts.conf (?) to see which resolver takes precedence |
| 23:00.55 | jetscreamer | eifzon: what gpu and version of the .run, and does sn NVIDIA-whatever.run --uninstall work? |
| 23:01.11 | eifzon | i got geforce 7950gt |
| 23:01.17 | eifzon | and i got latest release of nvidia |
| 23:01.21 | pickcoder | slack101: I would load the / partition after the special device filesystems like tmpfs and proc |
| 23:01.21 | jetscreamer | !enter |
| 23:01.22 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying, and scrolls our windows extraneously. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. We'll be more inclined to help you if you are considerate! |
| 23:01.29 | jetscreamer | define latest |
| 23:01.33 | jetscreamer | as in version # |
| 23:01.33 | pickcoder | try moving your / to after those in fstab |
| 23:01.43 | eifzon | 100.14.11 |
| 23:01.59 | jetscreamer | ok how about the --uninstall, eifzon |
| 23:02.06 | jetscreamer | or did it just not install anything |
| 23:02.12 | eifzon | huh? |
| 23:02.13 | eifzon | ;O |
| 23:02.15 | MangosDebian | pickcoder: you want him to mount / _after_ /proc and /tmp? |
| 23:02.16 | eifzon | havent come that far :P |
| 23:02.26 | pickcoder | MangosDebian: mine does |
| 23:02.29 | jetscreamer | ok so you just need a good command to get the .run to work? |
| 23:02.37 | eifzon | it says it needs a libc file |
| 23:02.41 | eifzon | no jetscreamer .. |
| 23:02.53 | jetscreamer | do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:03.02 | MangosDebian | pickcoder: cant say ive seen that before, nor understand how it could possibly work, but ok |
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| 23:03.14 | jetscreamer | you should have one or your system wouldn't be running |
| 23:03.19 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 23:03.20 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.24 | UbuntuServerUser | I have a samba question. I'm following this guide (http://howtoforge.com/samba_domaincontroller_setup_ubuntu_6.10_p4?s=46e820405a536935a1b1047787c75c6a&) and its all for one HDD. I have /dev/hdb1 mounted on /srv, and thats where I want the files to be stored. What do I have to change in order for samba and its users to write to /srv ??????? |
| 23:03.28 | slack101 | pickcoder, http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/6773/imagewk1.jpg heres filesystem info http://phpfi.com/245718 |
| 23:03.33 | MangosDebian | pickcoder: hmmm, seemed your right, my / has proc before it on another box. *shrug* |
| 23:03.35 | eifzon | jetscreamer: hmm |
| 23:03.35 | jetscreamer | !ubuntu |
| 23:03.35 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu - See also <based on debian caveats>. |
| 23:03.38 | WindowsUninstall | MangosDebian, No, I can't ovveride with CC |
| 23:03.50 | jetscreamer | eifzon: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 23:03.57 | pickcoder | I dunno if maybe the udev detection relies on /proc being there before the disks will be mounted |
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| 23:04.14 | pickcoder | I don't use udev on some of the other distros here and / is always mounted first |
| 23:04.16 | dromer | hmm, can someone help me with this kernel panic I'm getting? |
| 23:04.23 | scenestar | letRegistering block device major 8 |
| 23:04.23 | scenestar | No filesystem could mount root, tried: cramfs |
| 23:04.23 | scenestar | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,1) |
| 23:04.29 | MangosDebian | WindowsUninstall: well, since its a dpkg/apt related build, you may be able to specify some sort of APT::Build option or something. check the man pages. worst case, just KISS and edit the makefile ;) |
| 23:04.29 | jetscreamer | custom kernel, dromer? |
| 23:04.31 | scenestar | how do i solve this bullshit error |
| 23:04.39 | slack101 | pickcoder, did you see those links |
| 23:04.39 | UbuntuServerUser | !pastebin | scenestar |
| 23:04.39 | scenestar | its pissing me off |
| 23:04.40 | jetscreamer | same for you, scenestar i think |
| 23:04.42 | eifzon | jetscreamer: ahh! |
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| 23:04.43 | eifzon | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.50 | eifzon | jetscreamer: now it installed: libkrb53 |
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| 23:04.52 | jetscreamer | !initrd |
| 23:04.53 | dpkg | i heard initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
| 23:04.54 | inFw | hum dumb question I guess, but when sshd is installed it will start on boot right? |
| 23:04.57 | scenestar | i know what it is |
| 23:05.06 | UbuntuServerUser | I have a samba question. I'm following this guide (http://howtoforge.com/samba_domaincontroller_setup_ubuntu_6.10_p4?s=46e820405a536935a1b1047787c75c6a&) and its all for one HDD. I have /dev/hdb1 mounted on /srv, and thats where I want the files to be stored. What do I have to change in order for samba and its users to write to /srv ??????? |
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| 23:05.18 | scenestar | but why does it not work for 2.6.18-4-xen-686 |
| 23:05.27 | pickcoder | slack101: did you try putting /proc first? |
| 23:05.28 | eifzon | jetscreamer: now a "Configuring linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 came" |
| 23:05.29 | scenestar | and UbuntuServerUser go back to your #ubuntu |
| 23:05.29 | pickcoder | in fstab |
| 23:05.33 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:05.34 | scenestar | your operating system sucks |
| 23:05.44 | jetscreamer | i don't know xen sowwy |
| 23:05.49 | azeem | scenestar: no need to diss other free software projects |
| 23:05.50 | slack101 | pickcoder, are you sure thats it ? :P |
| 23:05.52 | DebianServerUser | sorry meant I was using Debian |
| 23:05.53 | jetscreamer | heh a clever disguise, DebianServerUser |
| 23:05.54 | eifzon | jetscreamer: shall i reboot now? |
| 23:05.59 | pickcoder | slack101: I have no idea what could be going on without sitting down at a console |
| 23:06.00 | azeem | scenestar: a gentle reminder is good enough |
| 23:06.03 | jetscreamer | eifzon: is it all done upgrading? |
| 23:06.10 | eifzon | jetscreamer: think so |
| 23:06.10 | dromer | jetscreamer: no not yet, atm trying sarge, I've found a way htat I can get grub setup all nice through chroot, but this kernel (2.4.27 btw, tried 2.6 also) gives a panic on: Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual adress bd79b950 |
| 23:06.11 | eifzon | ye |
| 23:06.12 | scenestar | azeem yeah he harressed me with his bot |
| 23:06.25 | MangosDebian | DebianServerUser: loo, respec |
| 23:06.29 | MangosDebian | lol* |
| 23:06.33 | jetscreamer | eifzon: yeah boot to the new kernel |
| 23:06.35 | pickcoder | slack101: are all of the fstab entries valid? |
| 23:06.37 | slack101 | pickcoder, thing is since the server is remote i cannot see that part of the boot |
| 23:06.42 | pickcoder | if one of them fails, you will see a failed messages |
| 23:06.48 | jetscreamer | eifzon: you have to build/install the driver on each kernel |
| 23:06.49 | slack101 | pickcoder, look at those links ;) |
| 23:06.49 | scenestar | but anyways, DebianServerUser ubuntu uses retarded configurations |
| 23:06.55 | scenestar | so i suggest you dont ask here |
| 23:06.57 | eifzon | jetscreamer: lame, i was used to ubuntu :( easy |
| 23:07.00 | jetscreamer | eifzon: so you might as well be running the one you want to use |
| 23:07.04 | dromer | jetscreamer: I really should make my own kernel huh ;/ |
| 23:07.13 | scenestar | because all support for debian breaks on ubuntu |
| 23:07.17 | jetscreamer | eifzon: you have to reboot to a new kernel in ubuntu also |
| 23:07.26 | jetscreamer | dromer: only if you can do it right |
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| 23:07.32 | eifzon | jetscreamer: i dont use ubuntu anymore :) i left to debian |
| 23:07.33 | pickcoder | slack101: look in the logs to see if something is failing at boot |
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| 23:07.36 | dromer | jetscreamer: this would be my first time :P |
| 23:07.37 | jetscreamer | dromer: a stock kernel 'should' work |
| 23:07.37 | MangosDebian | slack101: dmesg | less or less /var/log/syslog or /var/log/dmesg? |
| 23:07.40 | stew | pickcoder: really?, i get as much as 30mb/s (at which point i don't care how fast it is) |
| 23:07.40 | slack101 | pickcoder, which logs ? |
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| 23:07.48 | pickcoder | stew: which mirror? |
| 23:07.53 | slack101 | nope |
| 23:07.54 | pickcoder | slack101: kernel and syslog |
| 23:07.56 | slack101 | nope |
| 23:07.58 | slack101 | kerrnel ? |
| 23:07.58 | stew | pickcoder: mirrors.kernel.org |
| 23:08.03 | slack101 | what is kernel ? |
| 23:08.05 | jetscreamer | eifzon: it's the same cept xorg is packaged different, some sysv init stuff, and one other thing i forget which |
| 23:08.09 | dromer | jetscreamer: where could I get a 'stock' kernel? and how do I implement one? |
| 23:08.09 | jetscreamer | or so yymv |
| 23:08.12 | pickcoder | stew: I get horrible rates from them |
| 23:08.15 | slack101 | syslog and dmesg have nothing on this |
| 23:08.15 | eifzon | hehe jetscreamer, but ill reboot now, brb :} |
| 23:08.30 | jetscreamer | dromer: apt-get install linux-image-whatever... kernel-image for sarge |
| 23:08.30 | pickcoder | gah.. forget kernel |
| 23:08.31 | stew | slack101: /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 23:08.32 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 23:08.32 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 23:08.46 | slack101 | stew, what will bootlog do ? |
| 23:08.53 | inFw | where do I check services enabled on boot on debian? |
| 23:08.59 | scenestar | init |
| 23:09.03 | Nemoder | If you have several entries in your sources.list is there a way to see what server an installed package came from? |
| 23:09.11 | scenestar | nemoder yes |
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| 23:09.28 | stew | slack101: show you the log of the boot process, which it seemed like someone was asking you for |
| 23:09.34 | unlink | when i boot up i get the error special device /var/run does not exist |
| 23:09.36 | jetscreamer | inFw: they're in /etc/rc2 or whatever |
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| 23:09.43 | Nemoder | scenestar: how? |
| 23:09.45 | jetscreamer | rc.2 or rc2.d |
| 23:09.47 | unlink | i have RAMRUN in /etc/default/rcS |
| 23:09.48 | scenestar | i dont know |
| 23:09.53 | slack101 | stew, doesnt dmesg and syslog do that ? |
| 23:09.54 | scenestar | im gonna smoke meth |
| 23:10.00 | scenestar | ill be back after that with more patience |
| 23:10.07 | mo1991 | can someone help me with sendmail? I get a command not found when issuing a sendmail command by anyone but root |
| 23:10.12 | pickcoder | slack101: did you try using "defaults" for / |
| 23:10.18 | mo1991 | how do I get sendmail to work for all users |
| 23:10.28 | scenestar | mo1991 you do NOT use sendmail as root |
| 23:10.29 | slack101 | pickcoder, for what file ? |
| 23:10.30 | stew | slack101: they do as well |
| 23:10.38 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.44 | pickcoder | that's my root fs entry in fstab |
| 23:10.48 | slack101 | stew, well thjjat fialed thing is not shwoing up ..........in either of those |
| 23:10.52 | dromer | jetscreamer: I'm not sure what you mean exactly, I installed the kernels through apt: kernel-image-2.4.27-3-386 |
| 23:11.00 | mo1991 | scenestar - as a user I get command not found when giving the sendmail command |
| 23:11.06 | stew | slack101: yeah, it would show up in the bootlog |
| 23:11.09 | jetscreamer | dromer: -3 is very old iirc |
| 23:11.12 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 23:11.19 | slack101 | stew, i will install then |
| 23:11.28 | jetscreamer | dromer: i jumped on the 2.6 bandwagon as soon as i could |
| 23:11.28 | dromer | jetscreamer: I tried a 2.6 also, same error |
| 23:11.36 | pickcoder | another box: /dev/sda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 23:11.36 | mo1991 | scenestar - how do I configure sendmail so that all users have access to the sendmail command |
| 23:11.41 | slack101 | stew, packages doesnt exist |
| 23:11.41 | dromer | jetscreamer: Etch just takes too much ram :( |
| 23:11.59 | jetscreamer | ya |
| 23:11.59 | stew | slack101: no, it doesn't |
| 23:12.04 | dromer | jetscreamer: and Sarge gives panics on both kernels :( |
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| 23:12.07 | pickcoder | dromer: too much ram? |
| 23:12.09 | stew | slack101: its not a package |
| 23:12.14 | slack101 | stew, better yet what rc file is this exact thing coming from ? i could see what its trying to do and debug from there |
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| 23:12.21 | dromer | pickcoder: takes up |
| 23:12.42 | dromer | pickcoder: the machine has only 16 |
| 23:12.42 | jetscreamer | pickcoder: he only has 16mb iirc |
| 23:12.42 | pickcoder | oh |
| 23:12.42 | stew | slack101: i told you twice, and told you the command it is running |
| 23:12.46 | inFw | jetscreamer: I'd spotted it from less /etc/init.d/rcS :) thanks anyway |
| 23:12.49 | pickcoder | so compile your own reduced kernel using make-kpkg |
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| 23:13.02 | slack101 | stew, i would liek to see if casue everytime i do mount -a it works |
| 23:13.04 | jetscreamer | dromer: there is a list of how much ram diff versions of debian want on debian.org iirc |
| 23:13.08 | mo1991 | anyone help me with sendmail here - I cannot run the sendmail command as a user - only as root - how do I change this? |
| 23:13.15 | slack101 | soo it must be doing something a little differently |
| 23:13.25 | jetscreamer | dromer: you might wanna look as damn small linux but i know nothing |
| 23:13.36 | dromer | jetscreamer: ok, that could be handy, all I know is someone installed woody to the same type of laptop before :P |
| 23:13.38 | tvynr | Okay, this feels ridiculous... but I'm having trouble getting my nVidia drivers to work. I've installed nvidia-glx and run m-a a-i nvidia. The X server claims that the X driver module for nVidia doesn't exist, but I'm looking right at it: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o |
| 23:13.39 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i am trying to compile kvm , it complains that it is missing -luuid ? can any one tell me what lib provides -luuid ? |
| 23:13.59 | dromer | jetscreamer: damn small linux give other kernel panics :/ and I can't do a debootstrap and chroot with it .. have to boot a cd etc. :/ |
| 23:14.13 | pickcoder | !libuuid |
| 23:14.26 | dromer | jetscreamer: though I'm thinking on trying qemu again .. except I can't get kqemu to work so it's taking ages to complete _anything_ :/ |
| 23:14.32 | pickcoder | !libuuid1 |
| 23:15.00 | stew | mo1991: what happens when you try to run it as a user? |
| 23:15.00 | MangosDebian | mo1991: ls -l `which sendmail` |
| 23:15.06 | jetscreamer | dromer: how's the pxe boot on that thing, can you? |
| 23:15.16 | jetscreamer | boot from lan |
| 23:15.19 | dromer | jetscreamer: what do you mean? |
| 23:15.20 | thelostbutler | pickcoder: i found it. thanks |
| 23:15.25 | jetscreamer | !pxe |
| 23:15.25 | dpkg | well, pxe is a network boot protocol. http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
| 23:15.34 | dromer | jetscreamer: how? I need the pcmcia to work first then |
| 23:15.37 | MangosDebian | pickcoder: i thought dpkg only accepts loonies now? :) |
| 23:15.38 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:15.55 | slack101 | how do i seach over command line ? |
| 23:16.01 | tvynr | Can anyone help with the nVidia problem? Google is turning up nothing for this and I've never had module-assistant fail on me before. |
| 23:16.05 | dromer | slack101: search what? |
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| 23:16.16 | jetscreamer | tvynr: what version xorg |
| 23:16.17 | slack101 | the words Mounting local |
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| 23:16.29 | slack101 | trying to find out what file that is coming from |
| 23:16.29 | tvynr | jetscreamer: Fresh Lenny install, so Xorg 7.2-5. |
| 23:16.31 | dromer | resstle with the laptop some other time ;) |
| 23:16.41 | pickcoder | slack101: grep "word" /path/to/file |
| 23:16.48 | slack101 | i dont know what file |
| 23:16.48 | pickcoder | or "string" |
| 23:16.58 | hermogenes | tvynr: how did you changed the driver for X? you just edited xorg.conf? |
| 23:17.05 | tvynr | jetscreamer: I took your advice and reinstalled. Still didn't fix my fakechroot problem :( but I'm focusing on getting my box back up and running before I fight with this some more. |
| 23:17.13 | tvynr | hermogenes: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:17.13 | slack101 | pickcoder, how cna i search the whole system its small 250 mb |
| 23:17.35 | MangosDebian | slack101: grep -R "word" / |
| 23:17.38 | hermogenes | tvynr: hum... |
| 23:17.44 | mo1991 | stew - I get a command not found when I type sendmail as a user |
| 23:17.54 | hermogenes | tvynr: could you paste the error? |
| 23:18.01 | MangosDebian | hmm, actually that prolly wont work without specifiy /* or a start file :/ |
| 23:18.07 | slack101 | MangosDebian, do i need quotes ? |
| 23:18.25 | tvynr | hermogenes: Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 23:18.31 | jetscreamer | tvynr: check the versions of glx and the nvidia-kernelmake sure they match? |
| 23:18.46 | jetscreamer | and did you m-a a-i aginst the running kernel? |
| 23:18.47 | stew | mo1991: its in /usr/sbin and /usr/sbin isn't in your PATH |
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| 23:19.22 | MangosDebian | slack101: not if its one word |
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| 23:19.54 | eifzon | jetscreamer: still dont working |
| 23:19.57 | slack101 | well atleast it works |
| 23:19.58 | slack101 | :P |
| 23:20.02 | slack101 | system works |
| 23:20.03 | tvynr | jetscreamer: Actually, the present arrangement is just the stock testing packages nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64; sorry I misrepresented. But their versions are 1.0.8776-4 and 1.0.8776+6, respectively. |
| 23:20.03 | mo1991 | stew, how do I fix this? it runs properly as root or if I point to the file /usr/lib/smbin/sendmail but shouldn't it ust work if I type sendmail from anywhere? |
| 23:20.14 | MangosDebian | slack101: the shell normally seperates each param to a command using the space, thus if you want the second param to a command to be two words, you tell the shell that with ""'s |
| 23:20.19 | mo1991 | I want to send emails via evolution which is set to use sendmail - |
| 23:20.22 | mo1991 | stew above |
| 23:20.27 | hermogenes | tvynr: maybe you could paste the complete error log to http://paste.debian.net? |
| 23:20.33 | eifzon | tvynr: cant you either get the latest nvidia driver? |
| 23:20.35 | stew | mo1991: set evolution to use /usr/bin/sendmail not sendmail |
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| 23:20.46 | slack101 | MangosDebian, yes its searchign prolly gonna take a few mins |
| 23:20.53 | tvynr | eifzon: That's the latest in testing atm. |
| 23:20.55 | stew | mo1991: what do you mean "point to the file"? |
| 23:20.55 | DebianServerUser | hey guys, love debian, have a simple question though, Is there any other way to define hosts in /etc/hosts like through MAC address or somethin??? |
| 23:20.57 | jetscreamer | eifzon: did the installer error out, or did it work but xorg doesn't |
| 23:21.02 | eifzon | jetscreamer: error out |
| 23:21.08 | WindowsUninstall | damn |
| 23:21.15 | stew | DebianServerUser: man ethers |
| 23:21.15 | kingsley | Do any "file" managers work with individual files, as opposed to entire directories? |
| 23:21.20 | mo1991 | stew - evolution just has the option for server as sendmail |
| 23:21.22 | MangosDebian | slack101: oh no doubt. considering your gonna search /proc with that too, it could be longer :) |
| 23:21.22 | jetscreamer | eifzon: what does less /var/log/nvidia-installer say about why |
| 23:21.26 | DebianServerUser | thanks stew |
| 23:21.30 | stew | mo1991: then alter your path to include /usr/sbin |
| 23:21.35 | eifzon | jetscreamer: nvidia-glx doesent have problems |
| 23:21.36 | slack101 | MangosDebian, im patient :P |
| 23:21.38 | eifzon | jetscreamer: its new one i tries |
| 23:21.56 | DebianServerUser | stew, that works for any distro of linux, say...ubuntu, right? |
| 23:21.57 | jetscreamer | eifzon: if you're using the .run you don't want nvidia-glx package |
| 23:22.00 | WindowsUninstall | I can't choose the version of gcc to use to build a package |
| 23:22.04 | mo1991 | stew - I think it invokes the sendmail command - it also does not allow to alter the path, just has a drop down box |
| 23:22.04 | stew | DebianServerUser: i don't know |
| 23:22.07 | slack101 | MangosDebian, as i said reguardless of the error the system works ..... i can mount anything i want |
| 23:22.16 | MangosDebian | slack101: find tends to be more tuneable, but its syntax can be a pain sometimes, and the -exec cmd {} |
| 23:22.31 | MangosDebian | syntax is slow to fork for grep's |
| 23:22.34 | eifzon | jetscreamer: http://www.pastebin.ca/594466 |
| 23:22.36 | stew | mo1991: http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
| 23:22.56 | jetscreamer | stew: did you see 'Debian'ServerUser get insto his clever disguise? |
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| 23:23.16 | DebianServerUser | disguise? Now why would I need a disguise? |
| 23:23.21 | hermogenes | WindowsUninstall: Yes, you can. |
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| 23:23.32 | stew | DebianServerUser: if you are running ubuntu, you shouldn't be seeking help here |
| 23:23.45 | slack101 | MangosDebian, as i said atleast it works :P ..........thje error is prolly some dumb entry in the fstab or something that sint exactly correct or something |
| 23:23.47 | tvynr | hermogenes: Complete log here: http://paste.debian.net/31625 |
| 23:23.59 | DebianServerUser | We're all linux users here right? No wonder linux can't overtake windows you unixers can't even get your multiple distro shit together |
| 23:24.09 | DebianServerUser | thanks again stew ;) |
| 23:24.11 | jetscreamer | eifzon: according to your log, you didn't put exactly what i said to |
| 23:24.12 | stew | DebianServerUser: please keep it on topic |
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| 23:24.27 | eifzon | jetscreamer: what you mean? : |
| 23:24.32 | WindowsUninstall | hermogenes, How? |
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| 23:26.11 | MangosDebian | slack101: well, hope you find it. I still dont have any idea what your error was though |
| 23:26.14 | jetscreamer | eifzon: http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt |
| 23:26.43 | jetscreamer | i also said apt-get remove --purge nvidia* first |
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| 23:27.02 | slack101 | MangosDebian, failed to mount local filesystems |
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| 23:27.12 | nn__ | ls |
| 23:27.47 | MangosDebian | slack101: which one? /? or any of them? |
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| 23:29.23 | pickcoder | I wonder if there's an entry somewhere in udev for a usb drive that it keeps trying to mount |
| 23:29.25 | slack101 | MangosDebian, doesnt say |
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| 23:29.36 | slack101 | MangosDebian, this is whati have been tryign to find out |
| 23:29.57 | MangosDebian | slack101: do you at least have a copy of the error msg? |
| 23:30.02 | hermogenes | tvynr: there may be a problem with line 296 |
| 23:30.04 | pickcoder | slack101: the machine is obviously booting and mounting / so it has to be something else |
| 23:30.16 | slack101 | yea |
| 23:30.18 | jetscreamer | you're not using UUID in fstab are you |
| 23:30.18 | slack101 | no idea though |
| 23:30.21 | Decepticon | what is the ncftpput equivalent on debian |
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| 23:30.28 | slack101 | lol |
| 23:30.29 | slack101 | http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/6773/imagewk1.jpg |
| 23:30.31 | MangosDebian | jetscreamer: him? i highly doubt it :) |
| 23:30.32 | hermogenes | tvynr: DRI should be removed |
| 23:30.33 | slack101 | this is all i know so far guys |
| 23:30.38 | MangosDebian | sec |
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| 23:30.47 | slack101 | MangosDebian, look at that image |
| 23:31.20 | hermogenes | WindowsUninstall: change the GCC_VERSION (or something similar) variable in the make files or use update-alternatives |
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| 23:31.45 | jetscreamer | export gcc mismatch something something |
| 23:31.55 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 23:32.03 | jetscreamer | never knew exactly rather |
| 23:32.12 | jetscreamer | !gcc mismatch |
| 23:32.35 | jetscreamer | export GCC= |
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| 23:32.41 | nn__ | do I need any qt or kde libs to install google earth, or is the binary static? |
| 23:32.41 | jetscreamer | fixes mismatch i thin |
| 23:32.59 | jetscreamer | no dri no fbdev/framebuffer for nvidia |
| 23:33.06 | jetscreamer | in xorg.conf |
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| 23:33.39 | tvynr | hermogenes: my xorg.conf seems to be smaller than usual... http://paste.debian.net/31626 |
| 23:34.12 | MangosDebian | slack101: thats from /etc/rcS.d/S35mountall.sh |
| 23:34.17 | slack101 | yea |
| 23:34.20 | slack101 | i got it ;) |
| 23:34.24 | MangosDebian | slack101: it just issues a mount -a <all fs types> |
| 23:34.25 | slack101 | im seeing the command it ran |
| 23:34.36 | slack101 | well when i run it it doesnt giove no error |
| 23:34.59 | MangosDebian | slack101: so when you run that command manually it doesnt give any errors? |
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| 23:35.32 | MangosDebian | slack101: after you run that command try echo $? |
| 23:35.34 | slack101 | MangosDebian, nope |
| 23:35.35 | slack101 | mount -a -t nonfs,nfs4,smbfs,cifs,ncp,ncpfs,coda,ocfs2,gfs |
| 23:35.40 | slack101 | doesnt give no errors |
| 23:36.02 | MangosDebian | slack101: you misssed the -O |
| 23:36.06 | slack101 | yea |
| 23:36.08 | hermogenes | tvynr: Yes. It is small |
| 23:36.09 | slack101 | putting it in |
| 23:36.12 | MangosDebian | and soon as you done typin it, echo $? |
| 23:36.24 | hermogenes | tvynr: the fonts section for example is missing |
| 23:36.25 | MangosDebian | that will tell you the error level it quit with |
| 23:36.35 | slack101 | mount -a -t nonfs,nfs4,smbfs,cifs,ncp,ncpfs,coda,ocfs2,gfs -O no_netdev |
| 23:36.39 | slack101 | that -O ? |
| 23:36.53 | tvynr | hermogenes: That's the config that was produced by dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:36.59 | nn__ | can anyone recommend a usable graphical file manager besides nautilus/kfm? |
| 23:37.00 | slack101 | mount -a -t nonfs,nfs4,smbfs,cifs,ncp,ncpfs,coda,ocfs2,gfs -O no_netdev did not throw any error either |
| 23:37.24 | hermogenes | tvynr: maybe it would be a good idea to run dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
| 23:37.57 | MangosDebian | slack101: so it returns 0? |
| 23:38.21 | slack101 | it jus took me to the command line |
| 23:38.37 | MangosDebian | slack101: i said after that type echo $? as the next command |
| 23:38.39 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 23:38.42 | jetscreamer | btw |
| 23:38.49 | MangosDebian | slack101: "echo $?" |
| 23:38.52 | slack101 | oo |
| 23:39.00 | jetscreamer | nvida may have a problem with paravit_ops in .21 and .20 |
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| 23:39.06 | jetscreamer | paravirt |
| 23:39.15 | MangosDebian | it must be the exact next command though. wont work if you type anything else after mount |
| 23:39.15 | slack101 | MangosDebian, in quotes ? |
| 23:39.17 | WindowsUninstall | hermogenes, sigh. It tell me that there is only a program (/usr/bin/gcc) |
| 23:39.29 | MangosDebian | slack101: no quotes, just so you didnt think ? was a question mark |
| 23:39.39 | jetscreamer | so install the gcc version you want to use |
| 23:39.42 | hermogenes | tvynr: also, take a look at /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.Debian |
| 23:39.55 | slack101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.55 | slack101 | 32 |
| 23:40.06 | MangosDebian | slack101: k, now man mount for error 32 |
| 23:40.06 | hermogenes | WindowsUninstall: install the gcc version you need |
| 23:40.08 | jetscreamer | compile your own kernel will fix the mismatch |
| 23:40.17 | jetscreamer | and be running it |
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| 23:40.39 | tvynr | hermogenes: For reference, http://paste.debian.net/31627 as xorg.conf produces the same behavior. |
| 23:40.45 | MangosDebian | slack101: btw, you got a copy of your fstab available? |
| 23:40.47 | WindowsUninstall | hermogenes, I've installed them some hours ago :P |
| 23:41.12 | Decepticon | how do i get scp to understand i have a space in my remote username |
| 23:41.14 | slack101 | MangosDebian, yes |
| 23:41.24 | Decepticon | it keeps rejecting it saying, invalid username |
| 23:41.26 | slack101 | MangosDebian, http://phpfi.com/245718 little bit of everything there |
| 23:41.28 | MangosDebian | slack101: might be just complaining about floppy or something |
| 23:41.29 | Decepticon | when i say Bill\ Gates |
| 23:41.37 | hermogenes | WindowsUninstall: than run update-alternatives --config gcc to choose to what gcc version the /usr/bin/gcc link will point to |
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| 23:42.02 | korupt_ | hey guys need help with ndiswrapper |
| 23:42.03 | slack101 | MangosDebian, where i find this error 32 anywhere ? |
| 23:42.08 | korupt_ | i already installed my driver |
| 23:42.10 | WindowsUninstall | hermogenes, I've only an alternative |
| 23:42.16 | hermogenes | WindowsUninstall: gcc --version |
| 23:42.16 | pickcoder | 32 is mount failure |
| 23:42.18 | korupt_ | i just need to figure out how to modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 23:42.19 | WindowsUninstall | I can't choose anything |
| 23:42.29 | korupt_ | i guess this is a bit diffrent than ubuntu |
| 23:42.35 | slack101 | pickcoder, i get no more info then that ? |
| 23:42.37 | slack101 | :( |
| 23:42.42 | WindowsUninstall | gcc gcc-3.3 gcc-3.4 gcc-4.0 gcc-4.1 gccbug gccbug-3.3 gccbug-3.4 gccbug-4.0 gccbug-4.1 |
| 23:42.42 | MangosDebian | slack101: source code is only place sometimes in a header file, but man pages tend to document them |
| 23:42.48 | pickcoder | slack101: man mount will tell what error codes mount will return |
| 23:42.49 | WindowsUninstall | I should have more alternatives |
| 23:43.00 | slack101 | i didnt see them there |
| 23:43.06 | hermogenes | WindowsUninstall: better: gcc -V |
| 23:43.10 | slack101 | so 32 just means failure ? |
| 23:43.15 | korupt_ | oh hey ya slack101 its Dsl_ lol |
| 23:43.22 | korupt_ | i got debian installed now |
| 23:43.25 | slack101 | what it do :P |
| 23:43.27 | pickcoder | -v will provide verbose output |
| 23:43.31 | pickcoder | that's all in the man page |
| 23:43.38 | korupt_ | looks alot like ubuntu or maybe its the other way around ubuntu looks alot like debian |
| 23:43.43 | pickcoder | the return codes are at the bottom |
| 23:43.46 | slack101 | pickcoder, what would i do with the -v ? |
| 23:43.52 | tvynr | hermogenes: I can run with the nv driver just fine, but I'd like to be able to use my video card for 3D. I've read the nVidia guides for Debian many times and am usually quite comfortable with this kind of work. But the X server is claiming the nvidia driver isn't even *there* AFAICT and I'm looking at the .o file. |
| 23:44.06 | jetscreamer | you need a .ko file |
| 23:44.09 | jetscreamer | not .o |
| 23:44.18 | pickcoder | slack101: uh.. it's a command line option |
| 23:44.24 | slack101 | i know |
| 23:44.32 | slack101 | verbsoe but what wouldi sue it with ? |
| 23:44.32 | korupt_ | slack need some help with the ndiswrapper i installed my driver but when i go to try and modprobe ndiswrapper it says that the module cant be found?? |
| 23:44.35 | MangosDebian | slack101: thats a pretty barebone and risk fstab though. you should at least use the errors=remount-ro for / |
| 23:44.42 | korupt_ | i have it installed |
| 23:44.42 | WindowsUninstall | hermogenes, :/ |
| 23:44.51 | MangosDebian | risk->risky |
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| 23:44.58 | pickcoder | slack101: we're talking about mount, right? |
| 23:45.02 | hermogenes | WindowsUninstall: strange |
| 23:45.05 | WindowsUninstall | hermogenes, Using gcc -V it doesn't seems a good choise for big packages |
| 23:45.16 | MangosDebian | slack101: he means type that long mount command again, and add a -v onto it |
| 23:45.22 | tvynr | hermogenes: I've noticed something, though... every time I try to remove nvidia-glx, I get the message "rm: cannot remove /usr/lib/libGL.so: no such file or directory" |
| 23:45.23 | WindowsUninstall | # gcc -V 3.4 |
| 23:45.23 | WindowsUninstall | sparc-linux-gnu-gcc-3.4: no input file |
| 23:45.24 | slack101 | .-v means version |
| 23:45.28 | tvynr | hermogenes: This strikes me as... bad... |
| 23:45.42 | nn__ | yes very bad |
| 23:45.45 | WindowsUninstall | slack101, -v print version and -V choose version :) |
| 23:45.59 | jetscreamer | http://nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=72490 |
| 23:46.06 | pickcoder | according to the man page -v is verbose mode |
| 23:46.13 | korupt_ | mrv8335 driver installed, hardware (11AB:FAB) present |
| 23:46.15 | jetscreamer | if you want to try the .run.. second post |
| 23:46.19 | eifzon | hey jetscreamer |
| 23:46.23 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i just installed mysql 5 on etch and i tried to do mysql -u root and it prompted me for a password that i didn't know. this is the default install. now do i have to shutdown the server and run mysqld_safe to set the root password ? |
| 23:46.23 | eifzon | i followed that command |
| 23:46.24 | jetscreamer | yo |
| 23:46.26 | eifzon | took 10minutes |
| 23:46.26 | eifzon | lol |
| 23:46.26 | hermogenes | WindowsUninstall: what version do you have installed? |
| 23:46.33 | jetscreamer | did it work? |
| 23:46.38 | eifzon | jetscreamer: how to check? |
| 23:46.50 | korupt_ | but i dont know why it wont let me modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 23:46.50 | pickcoder | -V is version |
| 23:46.51 | MangosDebian | slack101: mount --help, what flag is verbose (hint, this is good lesson) |
| 23:47.01 | jetscreamer | eifzon: what do you mean.. is xorg running? |
| 23:47.10 | WindowsUninstall | hermogenes, I've installed now: 3.3, 3.4, 4.0, 4.1 |
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| 23:47.15 | WindowsUninstall | but default is 4.1 |
| 23:47.30 | jetscreamer | WindowsUninstall: update-alternatives |
| 23:47.35 | eifzon | jetscreamer: i no |
| 23:47.40 | slack101 | MangosDebian, i dont even see the verbose option there ;) |
| 23:47.55 | jetscreamer | eifzon: is it not running because it won't or you haven't tried |
| 23:47.55 | hermogenes | WindowsUninstall: do you have them all in /usr/bin? |
| 23:48.11 | WindowsUninstall | sure |
| 23:48.12 | MangosDebian | slack101: in your fstab, add "0 0" to the other two lines |
| 23:48.17 | eifzon | jetscreamer: anything else i shall do? |
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| 23:48.18 | eifzon | before starting X+ |
| 23:48.23 | ko12upt | there im registered lol need some help with modprobe ndiswrapper <------------------- I dont know if this is the correct way to probe the windows driver for wireless |
| 23:48.28 | hermogenes | jetscreamer: update-alternatives only shows one option |
| 23:48.35 | jetscreamer | eifzon: no, except xorg.conf |
| 23:48.41 | slack101 | MangosDebian, mount -a -t -v nonfs,nfs4,smbfs,cifs,ncp,ncpfs,coda,ocfs2,gfs -O no_netdev |
| 23:48.44 | slack101 | is that correct ? |
| 23:48.53 | jetscreamer | eifzon: did you let the installer fix it up for you? |
| 23:48.55 | Kevin` | ko12upt that's the correct way to load ndiswrapper, but did you install the windows driver so ndiswrapper uses it? |
| 23:48.56 | MangosDebian | slack101: -v is verbose (man mount; /verbose) |
| 23:48.59 | jetscreamer | or did you fix it yourself? |
| 23:49.03 | KDan_ | Ok... so if i have a system that's running very fine on /dev/hda, and I have a /dev/hdc that's exactly identical (hardware-wise), what's the easiest and quickest way for me to tell my debian system to mirror hda onto hdc (ie a kind of software RAID mirror)? |
| 23:49.06 | Kevin` | ko12upt and of coruse, are you sure you need to use a windows driver? |
| 23:49.12 | eifzon | jetscreamer: ye |
| 23:49.16 | eifzon | jetscreamer: what shall i change in xorg? |
| 23:49.20 | MangosDebian | slack101: no thats not, -t expects the next word(s) to be the fstypes, but you put -v in between |
| 23:49.33 | ko12upt | kevin i did a ndiswrapper -l out put is mrv8335 driver installed, hardware is present |
| 23:49.48 | ko12upt | but heres the thing watch this |
| 23:50.10 | ko12upt | FATAL:Module ndiswrapper not found |
| 23:50.11 | jetscreamer | eifzon: should 'just work' ... driver nv to driver nvidia... Driver"nvidia" |
| 23:50.18 | hermogenes | tvynr: something seens to be broken... i just don't know what |
| 23:50.20 | slack101 | MangosDebian, proc already mounted |
| 23:50.24 | slack101 | thats all i got |
| 23:50.24 | ko12upt | ?? lol im lost from that point |
| 23:50.25 | Kevin` | ko12upt seems you don't have ndiswrapper completely installed |
| 23:50.32 | ko12upt | hmm |
| 23:50.37 | jetscreamer | eifzon: if you let the installer fix the xorg for you like it asked, you should be good to go |
| 23:50.38 | pedro_mg | hi, Lenovo R61 and Etch. Any problem ? |
| 23:50.39 | ko12upt | ill retry |
| 23:50.42 | Kevin` | ko12upt what chipset is your card? |
| 23:50.53 | eifzon | gah dont work |
| 23:50.54 | eifzon | :S |
| 23:51.01 | MangosDebian | slack101: add a 0 0 to end of the 2 lines in fstab and retry |
| 23:51.06 | ko12upt | darn lol everyone asks that and i forget |
| 23:51.09 | tvynr | hermogenes: As this is a fresh install, I'm rather unnerved. If I had a box to spare, I'd play around with it and submit a bug report... bug I don't. |
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| 23:51.16 | jetscreamer | eifzon: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 23:51.19 | ko12upt | but i used it in dsl ubuntu |
| 23:51.26 | ko12upt | opensuse |
| 23:51.41 | ko12upt | mandriva |
| 23:51.50 | Kevin` | heh, that's the most important thing you should know since it determines what driver to use and whether you have native support |
| 23:51.53 | slack101 | MangosDebian, 0 0 ? |
| 23:52.07 | hermogenes | tvynr: the nvidia packages installed without errors? |
| 23:52.09 | ko12upt | pclinux lol i have tried alot of os and it worked in all of them |
| 23:52.16 | tvynr | hermogenes: Yep. |
| 23:52.29 | Kevin` | ko12upt out of the box? |
| 23:52.33 | ko12upt | yep |
| 23:52.34 | MangosDebian | slack101: http://www.pastebin.ca/594529 |
| 23:52.34 | ko12upt | no |
| 23:52.39 | eifzon | jetscreamer: http://www.pastebin.ca/594530 |
| 23:52.43 | ko12upt | lol i use te windows xp dirver |
| 23:52.46 | mo1991_ | can someone help me with this sendmail problem - I get there errror unqualified hostname (localhost) in the log - is there a way I can have it ignore this error - I am an unqualified hostname as I am dynamic - in sarge I believe that sendmail would just send and ignore this |
| 23:52.49 | Kevin` | ko12upt what does lspci say it is |
| 23:52.50 | ko12upt | *driver |
| 23:52.59 | ko12upt | hmm hold on please |
| 23:53.09 | MangosDebian | slack101: ive never left those out, but thats all i can see that might be diff compared to my working fstabs |
| 23:53.11 | hermogenes | tvynr: this things make me puzzled... :-/ |
| 23:53.14 | nn__ | Is anyone here using a graphical filemanager other than nautilus/kfm? |
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| 23:53.44 | tvynr | hermogenes: Well, thanks anyway for your help. No idea what's wrong, so I'm just going to have to use the open source nv driver for now. |
| 23:53.46 | MangosDebian | slack101: oops, also, change your / line from defaults, to defaults,errors=remount-ro |
| 23:53.53 | jetscreamer | eifzon: grep nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:54.00 | ko12upt | bingo |
| 23:54.00 | tvynr | hermogenes: This means no neverball or planetpenguin-racer, though. :( I'm going to have to fix it soon. ;) |
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| 23:54.04 | ko12upt | its marvel tech |
| 23:54.07 | eifzon | jetscreamer: then? |
| 23:54.10 | pedro_mg | Thinkpad R61 14.1" and Etch, anyone ? |
| 23:54.24 | hermogenes | tvynr: neverball is nice. i play it too |
| 23:54.25 | ko12upt | Kevin did ya get that marvel tech |
| 23:54.26 | jetscreamer | eifzon: just does it come back, or does it say not found... |
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| 23:54.31 | Kevin` | ko12upt what model? |
| 23:54.35 | ko12upt | hmm |
| 23:54.37 | eifzon | jetscreamer: it doesent say anything |
| 23:55.07 | jetscreamer | eifzon: what about grep "nvidia" /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:55.15 | ko12upt | 88w8335 |
| 23:55.23 | Kevin` | ko12upt anyway, what all did you install for ndiswrapper, there should be two packages, one for the kernel module (dependent on kernel version) and one for the utility |
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| 23:55.30 | eifzon | nope jetscreamer :S |
| 23:55.46 | ko12upt | yes ndiswrapper-common and ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 |
| 23:55.46 | jetscreamer | eifzon: afaict your xorg.conf isn't fixed |
| 23:55.53 | eifzon | ok |
| 23:55.55 | jetscreamer | eifzon: do the drxx dance |
| 23:55.59 | eifzon | but |
| 23:56.01 | eifzon | i am on vesa now |
| 23:56.05 | eifzon | problably the answe |
| 23:56.05 | jetscreamer | why |
| 23:56.07 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:56.10 | eifzon | cause i needed X :S |
| 23:56.15 | Kevin` | ko12upt hmm I don't think either of those is the module |
| 23:56.17 | slack101 | MangosDebian, http://phpfi.com/245746 like this ? |
| 23:56.18 | slack101 | :P |
| 23:56.24 | jetscreamer | eifzon: apt-get instal irssi gpm |
| 23:56.33 | ko12upt | 2.6.18-4-k7 my kernel version |
| 23:56.46 | MangosDebian | slack101: ya, try that first |
| 23:56.50 | Kevin` | ahh, you have to compile it |
| 23:56.54 | Kevin` | !ndiswrapper one-line |
| 23:56.56 | jetscreamer | !tell eifzon -about drxx |
| 23:56.56 | Supaplex | how do I get init to use / instead of an old pivotroot? |
| 23:56.56 | Kevin` | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 23:56.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 23:56.58 | ko12upt | hmm let me check lol thats what i always get |
| 23:57.03 | slack101 | MangosDebian, save and restart ? |
| 23:57.11 | Kevin` | ko12upt ^ |
| 23:57.17 | ko12upt | yep i see it |
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| 23:57.35 | Kevin` | you could also do it the "normal" way if you know how, of course |
| 23:57.36 | jetscreamer | eifzon: i need to see the EE when you use the nvidia driver in xorg.conf |
| 23:57.46 | slack101 | MangosDebian, or should i do that mount thing again ? |
| 23:57.53 | eifzon | jetscreamer: ok |
| 23:57.56 | slack101 | MangosDebian, or reboot server ? |
| 23:58.02 | MangosDebian | slack101: hmmm, "none /proc proc" should be: "proc /proc proc...." |
| 23:58.14 | KDan | how do you tell a debian system to download/insmod/whatever whichever module is required so that /proc/mdstat is created (for RAID)? |
| 23:58.16 | jetscreamer | eifzon: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log > ee_error.txt would work to save it to a file |
| 23:58.23 | ko12upt | im going to try something really quick see if this works out |
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| 23:58.26 | jetscreamer | !modconf |
| 23:58.26 | dpkg | modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will update /etc/modules, or fix drivers/net no-view bug with http://bugs.debian.org/358855 |
| 23:58.35 | slack101 | MangosDebian, http://phpfi.com/245747 like thius ? |
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| 23:58.49 | KDan | jetscreamer: was that for me? |
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| 23:59.02 | ko12upt | lol whats the normal way? |
| 23:59.03 | eifzon | jetscreamer: now i am "using" nvidia |
| 23:59.04 | MangosDebian | slack101: http://www.pastebin.ca/594546 |
| 23:59.04 | jetscreamer | i know nothing about raid.. but yes |
| 23:59.12 | KDan | but which module is it? |
| 23:59.14 | jetscreamer | eifzon: and it's working? |
| 23:59.17 | eifzon | jetscreamer: no |
| 23:59.22 | eifzon | thats why i said: "using" |
| 23:59.23 | eifzon | :P |
| 23:59.24 | MangosDebian | slack101: ya, like that. try a reboot |
| 23:59.28 | jetscreamer | eifzon: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log > ee_error.txt would work to save it to a file |
| 23:59.32 | ko12upt | i have to compile the source |
| 23:59.36 | Supaplex | nm, telinit u |
| 23:59.37 | Kevin` | ko12upt compiling it with make etc, without making a package. normal as in generic linux |
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| 23:59.50 | Kevin` | ko12upt you could actually just type that one line up above :) |
| 23:59.57 | ko12upt | aww okay |
