| 00:00.07 | printman | hi some1 knows a command that issued pops a windows asking for a string and returns the value entered ? |
| 00:00.08 | MangosDebian | slack101: you cant really just run the mount -a again since everything is mounted already and will probably give an error accordingly |
| 00:00.08 | cafuego | KDan: sudo modprobe raid1 (or raid0 (brr) or raid5) |
| 00:00.16 | KDan | chers |
| 00:00.24 | KDan | *cheers |
| 00:00.28 | ko12upt | woot lol |
| 00:00.33 | KDan | raid1 is mirrorring yeah? |
| 00:00.35 | ko12upt | very nice |
| 00:00.36 | slack101 | MangosDebian, so reboot ? |
| 00:00.40 | Kevin` | yes, KDan |
| 00:00.41 | MangosDebian | slack101: ya |
| 00:00.47 | KDan | thanks |
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| 00:00.58 | ko12upt | i like this alot lol apt-get is my best friend |
| 00:01.07 | hermogenes | printman: man zenity |
| 00:01.08 | WindowsUninstall | apt-build is evil |
| 00:01.12 | djw | apt-get moo |
| 00:01.14 | jetscreamer | ~love ko12upt |
| 00:01.15 | apt | If you love ko12upt so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 00:01.28 | WindowsUninstall | it want to install some X11's libraries on my server |
| 00:01.35 | slack101 | MangosDebian, but i cant see those errros unless i ask the datacenter for a screenie becasue it doesnt write that part to the dmesg or syslog |
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| 00:01.40 | ko12upt | lol |
| 00:01.51 | Supaplex | if lsof shows no files open below /media, why is it busy? |
| 00:02.01 | jetscreamer | it wants the -dev libs probably |
| 00:02.03 | jetscreamer | doh |
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| 00:02.28 | ko12upt | okay kevin one more thing i see iwconfig doesnt work |
| 00:02.30 | djw | Supaplex: a terminal has the 'pwd' within something in /media? |
| 00:02.36 | ko12upt | lol never mind |
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| 00:02.53 | Supaplex | djw: pwd shows up in lsof |
| 00:02.56 | jetscreamer | eifzon: bbl installing hd |
| 00:03.00 | ko12upt | im now connected wireless |
| 00:03.04 | MangosDebian | slack101: just ask em for a screenshot. but honestly, the error is minor since all your fs's are mounted anyways |
| 00:03.12 | jauio | using xmms on streaming, what is the way to see the 'author and song name' ? |
| 00:03.15 | slack101 | MangosDebian, yea i know |
| 00:03.24 | eifzon | jelly-home: ok |
| 00:03.28 | eifzon | ops |
| 00:03.33 | djw | Supaplex: type 'pwd' in a terminal... Present Working Directory |
| 00:03.37 | slack101 | MangosDebian, is thier anyway i can install something that will log EVERYTHING in the boot process ? |
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| 00:03.41 | Supaplex | djw: /root |
| 00:03.48 | korupt | sorry accidently hit x |
| 00:03.51 | MangosDebian | slack101: not sure, might be |
| 00:03.55 | korupt | thank you Kevin |
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| 00:04.01 | Supaplex | I know how pwd works. fuser has no results for /media either |
| 00:04.03 | slack101 | MangosDebian, hmmm |
| 00:04.18 | hermogenes | WindowsUninstall: Its that gcc problem or is apt-build annoying you with something else? |
| 00:04.21 | slack101 | stew, you still there , didnt u say there was something like this |
| 00:04.25 | djw | Supaplex: something has to have something open in /media/* |
| 00:04.43 | WindowsUninstall | hermogenes, the second one |
| 00:04.51 | MangosDebian | slack101: short of editing the startup script temporary to output everything through "tee" command and log it somewhere |
| 00:04.58 | WindowsUninstall | hermogenes, for the gcc problem I've choosen to use -V 3.4 |
| 00:05.03 | djw | Supaplex: and cd /media/foo would have /media/foo open, so it can't be umounted |
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| 00:05.49 | hermogenes | WindowsUninstall: how exactly is apt-build annoying you? |
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| 00:06.17 | mo1991 | can anyone help me with this sendmail error log ????My unqualified host name (localhost) unknown; sleeping for retry |
| 00:06.38 | WindowsUninstall | hermogenes, He want some x11 related packets: like libx11-6 libx11-data libxau6 libxaw7 libxdmcp6 libxext6 libxfont1 libxmu6 libxpm4 libxt6 libzephyr-dev tcl8.3 tcl8.3-dev transfig x11-common |
| 00:06.40 | slack101 | MangosDebian, to much work :P |
| 00:06.43 | nn__ | Uwk |
| 00:06.48 | Supaplex | djw: http://rafb.net/p/QHZjMt14.html |
| 00:06.54 | WindowsUninstall | hermogenes, while I'm trying to build cyrus on my server |
| 00:07.01 | WindowsUninstall | It isn't a good thing |
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| 00:07.29 | KDan | one more question about raid... you can set up a raid without reformatting both devices right?? ie if hda already has stuff (e.g. the OS...) on it, you can tell linux raid to mirror on there without wiping out the whole thing, right? |
| 00:08.08 | hermogenes | WindowsUninstall: are you trying to build it from a debian source package? |
| 00:08.24 | Supaplex | KDan: I think you have to setup the empty drive as the master, copy your data, then setup and rebuild the missing drive as the mirror |
| 00:08.32 | MangosDebian | slack101: in /etc/rcS.d/S35mountall.sh, look for the do_start() line |
| 00:08.35 | hatter | KDan, yes, search for a tutorial on google, there are a few good ones |
| 00:08.39 | WindowsUninstall | hermogenes, yes |
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| 00:08.52 | MangosDebian | slack101: change it to: do_start() |
| 00:08.54 | slack101 | MangosDebian, anything else ? i told them to reboot and see if its still giving that error |
| 00:09.03 | MangosDebian | slack101: change it to: do_start() | /usr/bin/tee /root/log.txt |
| 00:09.07 | hatter | Supaplex, thats what you do, shame its not as easy as that one sentence :) |
| 00:09.17 | KDan | hatter, Supaplex - so which is it? is it possible? This is a remote system, on a dedicated server... i obviously have no interest in wiping anything |
| 00:09.25 | slack101 | MangosDebian, i already told them top reboot and see if its still failing |
| 00:09.29 | hatter | KDan, the answer is yes |
| 00:09.40 | MangosDebian | slack101: after you reboot, the exact output should be placed in /root/log.txt for you |
| 00:09.45 | KDan | if it's not possible to do it safely, i'd rather even go with the very basic option of creating a big partition on the second drive and using it as a backup |
| 00:09.51 | slack101 | MangosDebian, ayting else i should check first before i restart in case that wasnt the thing ? |
| 00:10.03 | Ubuntu-Craft | :) |
| 00:10.04 | hatter | KDan, do what you like, it is safe if you are careful |
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| 00:10.13 | KDan | hatter: i'm currently reading the raid howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html - any other tutorials you'd recommend? |
| 00:10.17 | MangosDebian | slack101: i would just do that for now. |
| 00:10.26 | hatter | KDan, I will just check |
| 00:10.34 | KDan | thank you very much |
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| 00:10.47 | omri | does /etc/network/interfaces support ipip tunnels? |
| 00:10.47 | MangosDebian | slack101: check the log file and see what it says on reboot. just dont put any typos or you wont be able to boot :) |
| 00:10.58 | slack101 | MangosDebian, i will wait until they reboot it to see if that fixed it |
| 00:11.03 | slack101 | if not i will do what you said |
| 00:11.23 | MangosDebian | slack101: you can test it first by manually running /etc/rcS.d/S35mountall.sh, then seeing if the log.txt file appears |
| 00:11.35 | hatter | KDan, I think i have used this one : http://www200.pair.com/mecham/raid/raid1-degraded-etch.html |
| 00:11.41 | hatter | KDan, a remote system ? |
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| 00:11.50 | hermogenes | WindowsUninstall: that's strange behaviour... i never had any problems with apt-build though |
| 00:11.50 | korupt_ | okay now im wireless lo |
| 00:11.51 | korupt_ | lol |
| 00:11.53 | KDan | yeah, as in i don't have access to the hardware |
| 00:11.56 | hatter | I wouldnt do it on a remote system. |
| 00:12.14 | KDan | haha, i like the warnings at the beginning of this thing |
| 00:12.16 | nn__ | sourceforge is such a piece of *(ยง"/)(/ |
| 00:12.23 | korupt_ | thank you once again kevin |
| 00:12.25 | hatter | unless i spent a day with the same h/w in my lab and knew it implicitly |
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| 00:12.53 | hatter | KDan, you have to rebuild the initrd.img and reboot a few times, |
| 00:12.57 | Supaplex | what good is raid if it's DOA on reboot? :P |
| 00:13.01 | korupt_ | now i have a question who stole who's idea ubuntu took debians idea or debian took ubuntus |
| 00:13.02 | hatter | nope. I wouldnt do it remote. |
| 00:13.03 | KDan | eek |
| 00:13.16 | KDan | ok, i guess i'll go the backup route then! |
| 00:13.36 | hatter | KDan, good plan i think |
| 00:13.37 | KDan | i thought there would be a reasonably easy way to mirror the 1st hdd onto the second (hence why we're renting a system with 2 hdd's) |
| 00:13.43 | Supaplex | korupt_: everyone is suppose to share :) if you wondering who's been around longer, that's easy. |
| 00:13.56 | KDan | but if there isn't, i'm certainly not going to take the risk - especially since this system is supposed to go live on sunday |
| 00:14.00 | korupt_ | debian most likely |
| 00:14.09 | hatter | KDan, its not rocket science, but there are lots of steps and a wrong one could be bad |
| 00:14.28 | KDan | yep, warning heeded |
| 00:14.33 | korupt_ | supaplex quick question say i have a via s3g unichrome pro igp graphics chip how would i enable this on debian |
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| 00:14.54 | Supaplex | korupt_: what's wrong with it now? Does it work any other way? |
| 00:14.57 | karsten | Supaplex: IMO RAID is highly overrated as a data security measure. |
| 00:14.59 | KDan | i shall forget about these silly plans to set up a raid remotely on a soon-to-be-production system :-) |
| 00:15.14 | karsten | Supaplex: You can impace disk performance (both positively and negatively) depending on selections though. |
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| 00:15.17 | korupt_ | supaplex lol i should check wine really quick to see if my game works |
| 00:15.19 | hatter | KDan, good wisdom |
| 00:15.25 | smacnay | Anyone know if linux supports the usb floppy drives with the card readers built in? |
| 00:15.26 | karsten | KDan: Good plan. |
| 00:15.31 | KDan | hatter: thanks for the advice |
| 00:15.31 | korupt_ | i have a tendency to speak before i think about stuff |
| 00:15.37 | hatter | KDan, np |
| 00:15.37 | KDan | saved me from making a very costly mistake |
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| 00:15.45 | korupt_ | i get into alot of mess lol |
| 00:15.50 | korupt_ | let me check really quick |
| 00:16.11 | karsten | What's a good ntp for a laptop? |
| 00:16.18 | korupt_ | lol okay works good does debian have a ftp client installed by default |
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| 00:16.25 | karsten | Eg: periodically online, periodically suspended device. |
| 00:16.28 | hatter | karsten, RAID highly overrated ? I have seen so many hard drives fail in the last 3 or 4 years I am scared not to run RAID |
| 00:16.34 | printman | hi some1 knows a command that issued pops a windows asking for a string and returns the value entered ? - something like xmessage but for input |
| 00:16.39 | karsten | korupt_: /msg dpkg installit. ncftpd maybe. |
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| 00:17.00 | MangosDebian | karsten: i would be more scared not to run backups ;) |
| 00:17.29 | hatter | backups as well of course |
| 00:17.34 | karsten | hatter: The problem is that RAID often doesn't really buy you recovery. It might. |
| 00:17.37 | karsten | What you really want are failover and backups |
| 00:17.40 | jmd | I'm rather interested that /usr/share/doc/kernel-image-*/copyright on my machine says I can distribute under GPLv2 *or later* !!!! I thought that linux was GPLv2 ONLY? |
| 00:17.43 | karsten | MangosDebian: Bingo. |
| 00:17.49 | KDan | karsten: we'll be getting that |
| 00:18.10 | KDan | karsten: as soon as the business starts making some $$$ that is |
| 00:18.17 | Supaplex | GAH how the *@$(@$ is it busy. I ran pivot_root you tool! *@$(@$ |
| 00:18.19 | KDan | :-) |
| 00:18.25 | korupt_ | brb |
| 00:18.31 | slack101 | MangosDebian, so just replace do_start with do_start() | /usr/bin/tee /root/log.txt ???? |
| 00:18.44 | Supaplex | cool. it worked. |
| 00:18.45 | MangosDebian | slack101: well, without the ()'s sorry |
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| 00:19.04 | karsten | Supaplex: fuser -mv is your friend. |
| 00:19.07 | karsten | Supaplex: Also lsof |
| 00:19.11 | slack101 | MangosDebian, lol |
| 00:19.12 | MangosDebian | slack101: basically just add a | tee /usr/bin/tee /root/log/txt and then manually run the command |
| 00:19.14 | karsten | Supaplex: Happiness? |
| 00:19.15 | slack101 | i almost restarted |
| 00:19.16 | KDan | karsten: backups, backups, backups... i guess :-) |
| 00:19.19 | Supaplex | karsten: no :P http://rafb.net/p/QHZjMt14.html |
| 00:19.30 | slack101 | do_start | /usr/bin/tee /root/log.txt |
| 00:19.32 | slack101 | like this ? |
| 00:19.40 | nn__ | whatis kfreebsd-i386? |
| 00:19.42 | Supaplex | karsten: stuff was masked by mount. grep seagate /proc/mounts was > all the others. :P |
| 00:19.42 | MangosDebian | slack101: dont restart, manually run the command first, it should display standand line and crate the log as well. yes like that |
| 00:19.57 | karsten | Supaplex: Oh yeah, fuser just told me: it's *my* friend, not yours. |
| 00:20.02 | MangosDebian | slack101: if running the command manually works, your safe to reboot. |
| 00:20.09 | karsten | Supaplex: That'll do it. |
| 00:20.24 | Supaplex | cute :) |
| 00:20.28 | karsten | KDan: There are three golden rules of data security. |
| 00:20.39 | KDan | those i just mentioned? |
| 00:20.48 | hatter | Backup Backup Backup 1,2,3 |
| 00:20.52 | KDan | :-) |
| 00:21.14 | nn__ | hy |
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| 00:21.45 | MangosDebian | NO! backup backup backup | gpg --encrypt! |
| 00:21.48 | Supaplex | backup123? sounds like a cheezy lotus123 ;) |
| 00:22.05 | MangosDebian | non encrypted backups, sheesh you guys! |
| 00:22.21 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 00:22.40 | KDan | can i just do something like: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdc ? |
| 00:22.41 | slack101 | MangosDebian, like this http://phpfi.com/245755 |
| 00:22.48 | KDan | or is that not the best way? |
| 00:22.49 | mo1991 | where is the repository for sarge? |
| 00:22.55 | mo1991 | old stable???? |
| 00:22.58 | slack101 | MangosDebian, could you check that before i save it and try it |
| 00:23.04 | MangosDebian | sec |
| 00:23.10 | KDan | i mean, basically i have 2 hdd's, one is completely blank, and one has a live system on it - but the hardware is identical |
| 00:23.20 | hatter | KDan, are they the same drives ? |
| 00:23.24 | KDan | yes |
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| 00:23.41 | hatter | then you can, but it will take a while |
| 00:23.44 | MangosDebian | slack101: wheres the rest of the file? i only got the top |
| 00:23.47 | KDan | high cpu usage too? |
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| 00:23.59 | slack101 | MangosDebian, thats all i copied |
| 00:24.06 | hatter | i dont know |
| 00:24.09 | stoned | what? |
| 00:24.10 | KDan | that will copy everything including the blank areas, won't it, though? |
| 00:24.20 | slack101 | MangosDebian, the major part is at the top :P |
| 00:24.24 | hatter | thats why it takes a long time |
| 00:24.27 | hatter | there are better ways |
| 00:24.28 | KDan | hmm |
| 00:24.58 | MangosDebian | slack101: you shouldnt have changed anything at the top. just near bottom where do_start is |
| 00:25.09 | MangosDebian | slack101: you put it in the wrong spot |
| 00:25.13 | slack101 | o damn |
| 00:25.18 | slack101 | hoep they dont restart lol |
| 00:25.24 | slack101 | theres mutiple do starts |
| 00:25.24 | MangosDebian | slack101: thats the function definition, not the call to it below |
| 00:25.45 | KDan | ooh... could just use rsync i suppose |
| 00:25.46 | MangosDebian | slack101: you want the one in the "case" statement below |
| 00:25.56 | hatter | such an extreme difference in questions from people on #debian to #ubuntu |
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| 00:26.21 | KDan | hatter: sure thing |
| 00:26.36 | KDan | hatter: i struggle to get any sort of question in over there |
| 00:26.58 | Supaplex | and ##windows vs #ubuntu ? |
| 00:27.01 | cafuego | KDan: tar is probably quier than rsync when copying data |
| 00:27.08 | hatter | #ubuntu is for windows converters , not really server management |
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| 00:27.18 | cafuego | (unless there is already some data in the target dir) |
| 00:27.25 | MangosDebian | cafuego: quier? |
| 00:27.32 | KDan | cafuego: there will be... i'll be running this as regularly as i can |
| 00:27.32 | cafuego | MangosDebian: quicker |
| 00:27.34 | MangosDebian | quicker? quiter? :) |
| 00:27.34 | Thorrn4 | hello, Im trying to play an audio cd, which program should I use? |
| 00:27.37 | MangosDebian | hehe k |
| 00:27.50 | cafuego | KDan: keep 'em in sync? prolly rsync then. |
| 00:27.51 | KDan | hell, if i can tell rsync to sync up every 5 minutes (and it doesn't kill performance), I will! |
| 00:27.53 | hatter | hehe i read it as quicker |
| 00:28.27 | cafuego | KDan: actually, MAYBE you can use drbd |
| 00:28.38 | cafuego | just use localhost:otherdisk as the mirror |
| 00:28.42 | KDan | drbd?? |
| 00:28.46 | slack101 | MangosDebian, http://phpfi.com/245757 theres the file i dont really see what you talking about though i only see do_start once |
| 00:28.52 | cafuego | distributed replicating block device |
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| 00:29.00 | cafuego | www.drbd.org |
| 00:29.24 | slack101 | oooo i seee |
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| 00:29.30 | MangosDebian | slack101: line 81, in the case "$1" in .... |
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| 00:30.09 | KDan | cafuego: that looks about 100 thousand times more useful than RAID |
| 00:30.13 | KDan | especially going forward |
| 00:30.17 | KDan | thanks a lot for the link |
| 00:30.18 | slack101 | MangosDebian, like this do_start() | /usr/bin/tee /root/log.txt |
| 00:30.21 | slack101 | damn |
| 00:30.21 | cafuego | KDan: well |
| 00:30.22 | slack101 | ooops |
| 00:30.30 | slack101 | http://phpfi.com/245758 |
| 00:30.33 | slack101 | like this |
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| 00:30.35 | MangosDebian | slack101: i told you, dont add the ()'s |
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| 00:30.42 | cafuego | KDan: it's no rpalcement of backups; if one writes bad data, so will the other. |
| 00:30.50 | KDan | yeah |
| 00:30.53 | MangosDebian | slack101: that looks ok |
| 00:31.03 | MangosDebian | heh |
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| 00:31.22 | cafuego | KDan: I usually run raid (1 or 5) and use rdiff-backup once a week to store incremental chanegs to external media (usually a usb hdd) |
| 00:31.23 | Thorrn4 | hello, in fstab, my cdrom is set to mount at /media/cdrom0 but when I go to the directory nothing is there |
| 00:31.23 | MangosDebian | slack101: now save it and try manually run /etc/rcS.d/S35mountall.sh |
| 00:31.45 | MangosDebian | slack101: it should says 2 lines, and exit. and those exact lines should appear in /root/log.txt |
| 00:31.53 | nvz | raid and incremental backup eh.. |
| 00:32.01 | nvz | pfft I don't do either.. heh |
| 00:32.09 | KDan | cafuego: our main concern atm is to not lose: 1) the db, 2) the user file storage... the rest is just config |
| 00:32.13 | cafuego | nvz: for my homedir and the production server |
| 00:32.20 | omri | speaking of incremental backups, would you recommand backing up /var/lib/mysql incrementally? |
| 00:32.27 | KDan | so i think i'll just back those up and keep drbd in mind as a more long-term solution |
| 00:32.28 | cafuego | omri: No |
| 00:32.40 | omri | cafuego, how fast will it "grow" ? |
| 00:32.46 | nvz | well I just setup a webserver.. I'm still working on security and user registration stuff.. but data integrity is next.. |
| 00:32.47 | MangosDebian | omri: mysqldump and backup the dumps |
| 00:32.49 | cafuego | omri: you can inrementally backup dir of mysqldump results though |
| 00:33.11 | cafuego | omri: the size doesn't matter, you can reliably restore /var/lib/mysql |
| 00:33.11 | omri | yes, I'm aware of that, but I'm asking about incrementally backing up the data files themselves |
| 00:33.16 | cafuego | can't |
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| 00:33.30 | Supaplex | replication :) |
| 00:33.49 | nvz | what I am wondering is this.. I started with an old 15gb drive.. if I get a new drive say 250gb or whatever is on sale these days.. can I setup a decent raid between them until I get around to getting another new drive that is bigger. |
| 00:33.52 | omri | Supaplex, replication is not an option; I'm not backing up one server, and the mysql version varies |
| 00:34.00 | slack101 | MangosDebian, /etc/rcS.d/S35mountall.sh |
| 00:34.00 | slack101 | Mounting local filesystems...done. |
| 00:34.00 | slack101 | Activating swapfile swap...done. |
| 00:34.02 | MangosDebian | omri: mysqldump them, and commit each dump to svn so its delta'd, then incrementally backup the svnroot of that. can be more efficient |
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| 00:34.14 | omri | how does backuppc's incremental backup work? does it store the whole file if it changes? |
| 00:34.14 | cafuego | Supaplex: that's of course the best bet, and then mysqdump the slave, to not affect primary performance |
| 00:34.17 | MangosDebian | slack101: ok, that appear in /root/log.txt too? |
| 00:34.24 | MangosDebian | omri: yes |
| 00:34.36 | nvz | or should I wait and do incremental backups until I get two drives that are the same |
| 00:34.41 | omri | so I guess backuppc isn't really good for that |
| 00:34.45 | MangosDebian | omri: thus if you commit the dump to svn you get more efficient delta/diff of it |
| 00:34.48 | slack101 | MangosDebian, yes |
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| 00:35.03 | MangosDebian | slack101: good, reboot and recheck that file. it will be overwritten each boot |
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| 00:35.17 | slack101 | i |
| 00:35.20 | slack101 | erased the file |
| 00:35.25 | omri | MangosDebian, I understand you're doing the same? |
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| 00:36.18 | Overflo1 | hello, does someone have joost? |
| 00:36.21 | MangosDebian | omri: yes and no. mainly i use for schema not the full data |
| 00:36.54 | MangosDebian | omri: the one gotcha is how poorly svn can diff something when the line order changes. thus you may need to sort the inserts first with some shell commands |
| 00:37.21 | omri | why would the line order change? I'm not ALTER TABLE'ing |
| 00:37.24 | MangosDebian | omri: assuming a dump always dumps in the same order though, should get a clean diff. svn diff and compare |
| 00:37.50 | omri | I don't want to start messing with SVN, I might consider using regular diff and patch |
| 00:37.56 | MangosDebian | omri: should be fine then. that or skip svn and script your own diff commands. i just find svn easier and well supported |
| 00:38.17 | omri | but there's a problem here, after about a 100 patches, it starts getting in efficient |
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| 00:38.31 | omri | what I should do is store the last version, and patches to change it back |
| 00:38.37 | MangosDebian | omri: mkdir ~/svnroot && svnadmin create ~/svnroot && svn import ..... |
| 00:38.40 | omri | reverse patches, if I can call it this way |
| 00:38.44 | slack101 | MangosDebian, Mounting local filesystems...done. |
| 00:38.44 | slack101 | Activating swapfile swap...done. |
| 00:38.45 | StrongArm | how can I stop and start the cdrom volume manager |
| 00:38.46 | slack101 | same thing |
| 00:38.58 | StrongArm | how can I stop and start the cdrom controller |
| 00:39.02 | MangosDebian | slack101: looks like its fine then. rm the file and reboot once to be sure |
| 00:39.06 | StrongArm | my cdrom wont eject |
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| 00:39.25 | MangosDebian | StrongArm: apt-get install eject? |
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| 00:39.47 | omri | another question. how does diff work with binary files? any success stories? |
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| 00:40.38 | Supaplex | omri: man page says plenty |
| 00:41.11 | slack101 | also |
| 00:41.14 | MangosDebian | omri: mangos modb uses binaries in svn, no idea what the diff's efficiency is though. but it is supported apparently well |
| 00:41.47 | slack101 | MangosDebian, i removed grub .... apt-get remove --purge grub .... but theres still a grub dir in the /boot ? |
| 00:41.50 | StrongArm | MangosDebian: apt-get install eject? are u sure? |
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| 00:42.18 | StrongArm | how can I stop and start the cdrom controller |
| 00:42.22 | omri | Supaplex, no mention of "binary" in man diff |
| 00:42.23 | MangosDebian | StrongArm: well, i cant promise its gonna magically fix broken hardware :) but i know it ejects cdroms fine for me |
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| 00:42.33 | MangosDebian | slack101: dpkg -P grub |
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| 00:42.50 | slack101 | MangosDebian, by the way restarted again same thing says done no error |
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| 00:43.23 | omri | MangosDebian, I might give it a try sunday :) |
| 00:43.24 | MangosDebian | StrongArm: not sure about doing the controller unles maybe you unload and reload the module. but even then...think you need kill power to device maybe? |
| 00:43.51 | slack101 | MangosDebian, it says its already gone should i just remove the grub foler myself ? |
| 00:44.02 | Supaplex | omri: afaik binaries and diff don't play well. unless you prefilter it with, say hd. |
| 00:44.13 | irwiss_ | Is it possible to tell userland not to touch a net interface at all(and by at all I mean, don't touch it with a 10 meter stick)? Not bind to them nor open sockets on it |
| 00:44.21 | StrongArm | yes I use to be able to stop the CDROM volume manager in Solaris, how do you do that on Debian |
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| 00:44.45 | MangosDebian | omri: let us know :) the theory of svn incremntal backups is solid, but things always diff in reality :) |
| 00:45.02 | omri | seems like SVN is the best choice |
| 00:45.05 | slack101 | MangosDebian, i think its becasue grub-install or w/e put it in there and apt-get doesnt see that onbiously anyways yea removed PLUS file systems things says done ........wow FREAKING 3 DAYS becasue of that simple little FSTAB |
| 00:45.08 | slack101 | thanks a BUNCH |
| 00:45.12 | omri | but... that's a new system to get fimilar with |
| 00:45.21 | MangosDebian | slack101: if your sure you removed grub than your call |
| 00:45.42 | slack101 | MangosDebian, 100 percent sure and i said grub install adds that dir im pretty sure |
| 00:45.51 | slack101 | MangosDebian, nothing was in the directory either |
| 00:45.57 | slack101 | i use lilo btw :P |
| 00:46.02 | MangosDebian | slack101: pretty sure dpkg doesnt remove altered or added files on purge, but i may be wrong |
| 00:46.06 | slack101 | i prolly should use grub |
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| 00:46.25 | slack101 | but since Lilo works why bother |
| 00:46.33 | MangosDebian | if lilo works, stick with it, but most debian ppl use grub, as well as make-kpkg |
| 00:46.47 | slack101 | as i said it works ;) |
| 00:46.57 | MangosDebian | just be sure to rerun lilo every time you change kernels and I think you be fine |
| 00:47.05 | slack101 | yea |
| 00:47.14 | slack101 | only 1 more thing i need to do tonight |
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| 00:47.22 | slack101 | re compile my kerrnel :( |
| 00:47.22 | _RedShift_ | hey, does anyone know why my wlan gets an ip, but can't resolve any hosts until i ifdown/ifup the interface? |
| 00:47.26 | MangosDebian | slack101: get drunk to celebrate? |
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| 00:47.32 | slack101 | well maybe that too :P |
| 00:48.12 | MangosDebian | slack101: if everything is workin, dont forget to remove that edit you made too. or you be stuck with a log.txt forever :) |
| 00:48.13 | slack101 | usually kernel compiling sint to bad though |
| 00:48.20 | slack101 | lol |
| 00:48.21 | slack101 | yea |
| 00:48.33 | Supaplex | but my 486 iz tEh sl0w |
| 00:48.37 | MangosDebian | slack101: well, that or add tee to every single log file so you know what is going on during startup |
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| 00:49.35 | MangosDebian | Supaplex: 486's pwn |
| 00:49.37 | Supaplex | it's bad when things fall very close to your cpu fan |
| 00:49.43 | slack101 | MangosDebian, jus back to normal do_start correct ? |
| 00:49.45 | maek | sorry to be stupid but I cant seem to find majordomo in apt. is it in there? I have non-free in my sources.list. thanks. |
| 00:49.55 | MangosDebian | slack101: of course |
| 00:50.12 | MangosDebian | slack101: again, manually test the file to ensure it outputs expected text |
| 00:50.17 | slack101 | ok done |
| 00:50.25 | slack101 | well it wont output anything now will it lol ? |
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| 00:50.38 | MangosDebian | slack101: to the screen yes, to the file no |
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| 00:51.07 | MangosDebian | slack101: tee just takes a copy of what goes to the screen and saves it to a file. so you will still see the 2 lines |
| 00:51.36 | _RedShift_ | hey, does anyone know why my wlan gets an ip, but can't resolve any hosts until i ifdown/ifup the interface? |
| 00:51.42 | cafuego | !info majordomo |
| 00:51.49 | stoned | output anything now will it lol ? |
| 00:51.55 | slack101 | MangosDebian, yep same thing done done |
| 00:51.59 | MangosDebian | cafuego: majordomo executus?! :) |
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| 00:52.02 | cafuego | maek: no majordomo, dpkg says. |
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| 00:52.10 | maek | cafuego: thanks. |
| 00:52.15 | slack101 | MangosDebian, all of this becasue of a mis formatted fstab |
| 00:52.15 | cafuego | MangosDebian: in hortus amulans |
| 00:52.15 | MangosDebian | RAGNAROS! |
| 00:52.31 | slack101 | MangosDebian, i should have read the Fstab man page and did it very precicely |
| 00:52.38 | Supaplex | _RedShift_: nope. I give up. why? |
| 00:52.40 | cafuego | maek: I've found `mailman' to work very nicely |
| 00:52.56 | MangosDebian | slack101: yes, but the hands on approach is better imho |
| 00:52.57 | reiser2 | how can i choose default charset to iceweasel, firefox ? |
| 00:53.01 | _RedShift_ | Supaplex, was hoping you could tell me... |
| 00:53.06 | maek | cafuego: thanks :) |
| 00:53.19 | MangosDebian | cafuego: never played wow i assume |
| 00:53.27 | slack101 | MangosDebian, they told me the server wasnt starting .........but it was |
| 00:53.32 | slack101 | that made matters 50x worse |
| 00:53.37 | MangosDebian | cafuego: http://www.wowwiki.com/Majordomo |
| 00:53.51 | Supaplex | _RedShift_: is /etc/resolv.conf same before and after? ip address? is the dns outside your network? |
| 00:53.52 | cafuego | MangosDebian: got no windows and got no closed source gaming |
| 00:53.53 | MangosDebian | he a tough sob too :) |
| 00:54.20 | _RedShift_ | Supaplex, let me check the resolv, and as for the dns, it's my isp dns, so yes. |
| 00:54.36 | stoned | Stadenko |
| 00:54.47 | Supaplex | _RedShift_: can you ping outside your network before? |
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| 00:55.45 | slack101 | MangosDebian, i hope compiling the kernel isnt all to bad either :P |
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| 00:56.58 | MangosDebian | slack101: i hope so for your sake too cause youve spent all your credits with me today :) |
| 00:57.13 | Supaplex | _RedShift_: I'll bbiaw. ask the rest of # - good luck. |
| 00:57.15 | cafuego | compiling a kernel is trivial. |
| 00:57.28 | cafuego | the trick is confuguring it so it works |
| 00:57.33 | slack101 | MangosDebian, ive compilied a few kernels in Vmware and they worked |
| 00:57.36 | MangosDebian | slack101: you owe me a favor now. heck, if I need someone whacked, you better be on the next plane and at my door by morning :) |
| 00:57.48 | KDan | woo, go bzip2! 300 megs of repetitive sql compressed into 5.7 megs once bzipped! |
| 00:57.50 | slack101 | lol if you need any server space feel free :P |
| 00:57.54 | slack101 | good connections toooo |
| 00:57.58 | MangosDebian | KDan: bzaip -9 |
| 00:58.05 | MangosDebian | err bzip2 -9 |
| 00:58.16 | KDan | no need, 5 meg is very bearable |
| 00:58.24 | MangosDebian | bah |
| 00:58.38 | KDan | need to do something about that 3.5 million row log table though... :-) |
| 00:58.41 | MangosDebian | KDan: but 4mb is even better! |
| 00:58.54 | KDan | MangosDebian: not if it takes an extra 20 minutes at 99% cpu :-P |
| 00:59.03 | MangosDebian | lol true |
| 00:59.10 | cafuego | MangosDebian: tree killer! |
| 00:59.13 | MangosDebian | thats what nice is for :) |
| 00:59.19 | slack101 | MangosDebian, what you live ? UK ? |
| 00:59.42 | MangosDebian | slack101: O'Canada |
| 00:59.45 | slack101 | ah |
| 00:59.50 | cafuego | wasdting cpu (and thus power) to gain 1Mb of disk space. may as well run gentoo!!@@@!! |
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| 00:59.58 | MangosDebian | home of the weed, land of the stoned :) |
| 00:59.58 | slack101 | i was in canada once |
| 01:00.14 | CalJohn | I'm looking for the db_dump and db_load utilities for bdb. what package are they in? |
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| 01:00.26 | cafuego | !find db_dump |
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| 01:00.33 | MangosDebian | cafuego: ahh. well in that case should use gzip :p |
| 01:00.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'db_dump' (4 of 5): (/usr/bin/htdb_dump) in web/htdig ;; (/usr/lib/rpm/rpmdb_dump) in admin/rpm ;; (/usr/share/doc/db4.5-doc/utility/db_dump.html, /usr/share/doc/db4.5-doc/ref/upgrade.3.2/db_dump.html) in doc/db4.5-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/db4.3-doc/utility/db_dump.html, /usr/share/doc/db4.3-doc/ref/upgrade.3.2/db_dump.html) in libs/db4.3-doc. |
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| 01:01.28 | slack101 | MangosDebian, canada too cold :P |
| 01:01.35 | MangosDebian | only in the winter my lad |
| 01:01.42 | slack101 | fall ? |
| 01:01.43 | slack101 | :P |
| 01:01.57 | MangosDebian | in the summer its perfect. not some scorched waste land of humidity |
| 01:02.12 | slack101 | i would miss Miami to much |
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| 01:02.26 | slack101 | Miami is good im summer too :P |
| 01:02.55 | MangosDebian | slack101: if you've ever been in a northern hemisphere im sure you can agree that colder air is nice to breath |
| 01:03.06 | slack101 | well |
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| 01:03.32 | MangosDebian | mind you, being in a city like TO would suck smog wise. and lets not even talk about that smell of manour near farm land... |
| 01:03.42 | slack101 | i live in the northern hemisphere l() |
| 01:03.43 | slack101 | ;) |
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| 01:04.25 | slack101 | MangosDebian, northern hemisphere doesnt stop until right below brazil |
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| 01:04.37 | waltz | anyone know anything about the ASUS P5N32-E SLI Plus motherboard? |
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| 01:04.48 | scenestar | no |
| 01:04.53 | reiser2 | how can i choose default charset to iceweasel ? |
| 01:04.55 | waltz | i see |
| 01:05.00 | slack101 | MangosDebian, but belive it or not you get used to the south's high humiddity ....i dont even notice it |
| 01:05.10 | reiser2 | i see ? when there is a ร |
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| 01:05.35 | MangosDebian | slack101: i still prefer the north's built in free air conditioning for extra few months :) |
| 01:05.42 | cafuego | reiser2: it should just pick up the locale, i'd say |
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| 01:07.17 | reiser2 | i can't |
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| 01:07.43 | slack101 | MangosDebian, but then you dont have blue skies palm trees and clear waters ;) |
| 01:09.06 | MangosDebian | slack101: well, our trees have their own looks. the red orange look in the fall is a sight to see for sure. but i think our skies are just as clear as any place. anyways.... |
| 01:09.20 | slack101 | :P |
| 01:09.30 | slack101 | i was in the canada next to niagra falls |
| 01:09.34 | MangosDebian | slack101: be sure to ask the tech for a screenshot to be sure. curious how it went after all this |
| 01:09.50 | slack101 | they said it said done |
| 01:10.16 | MangosDebian | montana/north dakota etc are pretty well canada anyways :p |
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| 01:10.42 | MangosDebian | all your states are our new provinces :p |
| 01:10.52 | slack101 | whop lives in those ? |
| 01:11.03 | slack101 | ND and montanna ? |
| 01:11.37 | MangosDebian | just saying they are about the same longatude as i am in ontario |
| 01:11.48 | MangosDebian | so same weather |
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| 01:12.52 | slack101 | MangosDebian, i dont live over there |
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| 01:13.34 | slack101 | MangosDebian, Miami Flroida charleston south carolina New Orleans Houston texas are the spots |
| 01:13.40 | happy_broccoli | i have x.org running off my nvidia card. it is a high powered card with 256 mb of vram. yet in xrandr or the xrandr,the max resolution i am allowed is 1280x1024. My monitor supports 1600px wide resolution. so am i missing some nvidia tool? |
| 01:13.45 | slack101 | and none of them see cold weather ;) |
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| 01:16.37 | lymeca | I have x86_64 Debian installed on a 7GB / partition with a 450GB /home partition with my data. I want to install and start using Xen and I'm wondering if I need to either repartition or at least wipe my 7GB / partition and install Debian from scratch again. |
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| 01:17.29 | MangosDebian | lymeca: could always just put your xen fs's in /home? |
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| 01:18.09 | lymeca | MangosDebian: Xen fs's? you mean my domU disk image files? |
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| 01:18.50 | MangosDebian | lymeca: whatever its called, ya |
| 01:19.05 | lymeca | MangosDebian: Well I'm not so much worried about my domU guest OSes |
| 01:19.53 | MangosDebian | why redo your / then? |
| 01:19.56 | lymeca | I'm more concerned about how to configure the Xen hypervisor and dom0 combination which I want to be Debian sid x86_64 (I'm already running that sans Xen). I want Xen+Debian dom0 to be on my first 7GB root partition. |
| 01:20.37 | lymeca | I'm wondering if configuring my current Debian installation to be dom0 with working Xen is as simple as installing Xen packages from the sid repos. |
| 01:20.45 | MangosDebian | well, you could always make a dir say /home/xen, and bind mount it under /xen |
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| 01:21.14 | lymeca | Again, I'm not too worried about the domU guest OSes |
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| 01:21.28 | MangosDebian | physical location doesnt really mean much these days |
| 01:21.41 | MangosDebian | what are you worried about? |
| 01:21.43 | lymeca | I'm concerned about how to migrate from my current amd64 Debian installation to running it as a dom0 Xen guest OS |
| 01:22.29 | MangosDebian | oh, you want to move the current install into xen and make a new install as the host? |
| 01:22.45 | lymeca | No, dom0 = host OS |
| 01:22.51 | MangosDebian | sorry |
| 01:23.06 | lymeca | I want my current install to be the 'host' (it's really just a priveleged guest OS with Xen) |
| 01:23.11 | lymeca | which is called dom0 |
| 01:24.04 | MangosDebian | well, dont see how it would be a problem if you boot off a rescue cd with tools to access the fs and cp -xa everything to / |
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| 01:25.07 | WindowsUninstall | I solved all my problems |
| 01:25.13 | MangosDebian | !cookie WindowsUninstall |
| 01:25.15 | dpkg | Hey mangosdebian, is |
| 01:25.27 | MangosDebian | hmm |
| 01:25.29 | WindowsUninstall | The cyrus package on debian etch is broken |
| 01:25.40 | MangosDebian | !literal cookie |
| 01:25.41 | WindowsUninstall | it must be compiled with gcc 3.4 |
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| 01:26.02 | WindowsUninstall | the version compiled with gcc 4.1 doesn't works |
| 01:26.15 | WindowsUninstall | (sometimes I get SIGBUS) |
| 01:26.38 | WindowsUninstall | instead the version compiled with gcc 3.4 works very well |
| 01:26.41 | MangosDebian | WindowsUninstall: ive heard horror stories of using diff gcc's for different stuff |
| 01:27.20 | WindowsUninstall | MangosDebian, This stories are less horror than the mine story with cyrus |
| 01:27.40 | WindowsUninstall | cyrus musn't be compiled with gcc 4.1. |
| 01:28.07 | MangosDebian | cyrus + gcc 4.1 = apocalypse?! |
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| 01:30.18 | happy_broccoli | how can i start/stop x? |
| 01:30.27 | WindowsUninstall | <MangosDebian> cyrus + gcc 4.1 = apocalypse?! true |
| 01:30.48 | WindowsUninstall | happy_broccoli, /etc/init.d/$YOUR_DM stop |
| 01:31.02 | WindowsUninstall | $YOUR_DM can be KDM, GDM or XDM |
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| 01:32.12 | hsimah | hey im having a little apache trouble |
| 01:32.40 | dondelelcaro | hsimah: best to ask your question |
| 01:32.57 | hsimah | well i installed it, but theres no /etc/apache |
| 01:33.01 | hsimah | or /etc/apache2 |
| 01:33.21 | dondelelcaro | hsimah: did you install apache2? |
| 01:33.26 | hsimah | that too |
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| 01:33.38 | hsimah | apt-get says they are at the latest versions |
| 01:33.50 | dondelelcaro | hsimah: did you delete /etc or do anything else wierd? |
| 01:34.09 | hsimah | not that i know of, /etc is there. everything else is working fine |
| 01:34.32 | hsimah | i just apt-get install apache2 earlier and seem to have gotten nothing |
| 01:35.10 | dondelelcaro | hsimah: well, for whatever reason, you or someone before you most likely deleted /etc/apache2 or /etc/apache; if you're absolutely certain that you've installed apache2, then you need to use the confmiss option to reinstall apache2-common |
| 01:35.39 | hsimah | ok |
| 01:35.53 | hsimah | how do i do that, the confmiss |
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| 01:36.17 | slack101 | if i make a new kerrnel do i have to make a new initr.img or w/e too ? |
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| 01:39.16 | rahul | slack101: only if you need it |
| 01:39.17 | rahul | heh |
| 01:39.27 | slack101 | dont i need it ? |
| 01:39.30 | rahul | slack101: compile in the drivers for your basic needed hardware and you won't need it |
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| 01:39.38 | rahul | only you know if you need it |
| 01:40.00 | rahul | ok, I gotta get food before heading out to jersey |
| 01:40.11 | rahul | cause I don't trust the food over there! |
| 01:40.11 | rahul | heh |
| 01:40.25 | slack101 | where you now ? |
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| 01:41.00 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss |
| 01:41.00 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 01:41.05 | dondelelcaro | hsimah: ^^^; |
| 01:41.26 | hsimah | thanks |
| 01:45.32 | hsimah | hmm that didnt seem to work |
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| 01:45.39 | hsimah | ive still got no /etc/apache |
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| 01:47.55 | liable | did you selete the whole dir? |
| 01:48.09 | karsten | liable: selete? |
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| 01:48.22 | karsten | liable: Is that a deletional selection or a selective deletion? |
| 01:48.34 | korupt | aright heres the new problem with my wine apt err:ddraw:DDRAW_Create Couldn't load WineD3D - OpenGL libs not present? |
| 01:48.37 | liable | karsten: selete= sillily delete |
| 01:48.50 | korupt | do i need to intsall opengl? |
| 01:48.57 | karsten | Hrm... |
| 01:49.07 | karsten | liable: So are there siris deletes as well? |
| 01:49.12 | hsimah | hmm |
| 01:49.18 | karsten | (s-iris, for those not paying attention). |
| 01:49.26 | hsimah | just say i have deleted it, which knowing my i prolly did |
| 01:49.31 | hsimah | how do i fix that? |
| 01:49.32 | karsten | korupt: Yes, it's now mandated by DHS. |
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| 01:49.52 | korupt | aww i see |
| 01:49.57 | karsten | hsimah: Don't do it again / recover from backups. |
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| 01:50.07 | liable | hsimah: make the dir and try confmiss again |
| 01:50.12 | mo1991 | can someone help me with sendmail |
| 01:50.13 | hsimah | it was a fresh install of debian |
| 01:50.15 | karsten | korupt: I am not entirely trustworthy today. |
| 01:50.16 | hsimah | i dont have any backups |
| 01:50.19 | karsten | !tell mo1991 about ask |
| 01:50.26 | karsten | hsimah: Don't do that again either. |
| 01:50.42 | karsten | mo1991: ... and the best help for sendmail is to purge it and install exim4 or postfix instead. |
| 01:50.55 | karsten | !sendmail |
| 01:50.56 | dpkg | sendmail is, like, one of the orginal MTAs. Generally, if you don't know why you'd want to run sendmail, you shouldn't. Use nullmailer, esmtp, exim or postfix instead. see the oreilly book of the same name. |
| 01:50.56 | hsimah | well i only installed this morning, i didnt have time to back anything up :P |
| 01:51.37 | korupt | which one would i need to get? |
| 01:51.45 | korupt | there is libopengl-perl |
| 01:51.51 | korupt | libopengl-python |
| 01:51.59 | abrotman | mo1991: help with what ? |
| 01:52.03 | korupt | bla bla etc etc so many lol |
| 01:52.10 | mo1991 | can someone help me with sendmail - when I use sendmail at the command - Connecting to [127.0.0.1] port 587 - Connecting to [127.0.0.1] port 587 |
| 01:52.10 | karsten | abrotman: sendmail |
| 01:52.13 | karsten | !tell mo1991 about ask |
| 01:52.31 | karsten | abrotman: send *mail* not send *hits*. |
| 01:52.34 | mo1991 | Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1] |
| 01:53.01 | mo1991 | abrotman - does that mean anything to you |
| 01:53.06 | karsten | mo1991: Why are you using sendmail instead of a (simpler, better, much easier to understand) alternate MTA such as exim4 or postfix? |
| 01:53.13 | mo1991 | I am just using sendmail from the command prompt |
| 01:53.19 | abrotman | you're using mail ? |
| 01:53.27 | mo1991 | karsten - want to send using this computer |
| 01:53.31 | mo1991 | abrotman |
| 01:53.35 | mo1991 | using sendmail |
| 01:53.46 | mo1991 | command sendmail recipient ctr D |
| 01:53.48 | karsten | abrotman: Wearing it. It's the hottest summer fashion. |
| 01:53.52 | abrotman | echo "blah" | mail blah@yourdomain.com |
| 01:54.01 | karsten | mo1991: What MTA do you have installed? |
| 01:54.03 | abrotman | karsten: next is jail time! |
| 01:54.11 | mo1991 | karsten sendmail |
| 01:54.25 | abrotman | why god why! |
| 01:54.31 | WindowsUninstall | lol |
| 01:54.38 | slack101 | anyone here ever compile a kernel before ? |
| 01:54.51 | slack101 | abrotman, that whole file system issue was due to a badly formed fstab |
| 01:54.56 | korupt | karsten i figured it out i need to install my graphics driver but heres another problem its a chip on the mother board its via s3 unichrome pro igp |
| 01:54.57 | abrotman | eh .. that sucks |
| 01:55.09 | mo1991 | abrotman - can you help me with sendmail or no? |
| 01:55.12 | karsten | mo1991: 1. Sendmail is a pain in the ass. 2. If you want sendmail support, very few Debian users run it, fewer of them here. Find a Sendmail support channel. 3. Unless you've got a *damned* good reason to run sendmail, don't. I've given you the alternatives twice. I'm out. |
| 01:55.14 | slack101 | 3 days to fix that |
| 01:55.18 | karsten | !anyone |
| 01:55.18 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 01:55.23 | abrotman | mo1991: telnet localhost 25 .. does it answer ? |
| 01:55.24 | karsten | slack101: Stop asking stupid questions. |
| 01:55.29 | abrotman | !smtp test |
| 01:55.29 | dpkg | "telnet myserver 25", "HELO world", "MAIL FROM:<evil@spammer.org>", "RCPT TO:<a@fake.address>", "DATA", "Subject: spam test", "", ".", "QUIT" |
| 01:55.39 | slack101 | karsten, im about ot compile a kerrnel |
| 01:55.47 | abrotman | !kp |
| 01:55.47 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 01:55.50 | karsten | !win slack101 |
| 01:55.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, slack101! You have won the US presidency! |
| 01:55.50 | korupt | and im not sure if debian supports this |
| 01:55.55 | slack101 | the kernel jus consisst of vmlinuz correct ? |
| 01:56.07 | mo1991 | abrotman - no it doesn't |
| 01:56.14 | karsten | slack101: And about 15 million kernel modules, sure. |
| 01:56.32 | abrotman | mo1991: is there a *good* reason you're using sendmail instead of exim or postfix ? |
| 01:56.36 | slack101 | karsten, where are they stored ? |
| 01:56.58 | mo1991 | abrotman - I need to send emails that have the user @ whatever I want.com |
| 01:56.58 | ko12upt | karsten does debian support via chipsets i.e i have s3g unichrome pro igp and need the driver for it |
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| 01:57.12 | abrotman | mo1991: that doesn't really answer the question |
| 01:57.13 | mo1991 | abrotman - I used to do this with sendmail and don't believe exim lets you |
| 01:57.17 | karsten | slack101: Um, what exactly do you want to know? After compiling: /lib/modules/<kernel-version>/ Before compiling: the source tree. |
| 01:57.23 | karsten | ko12upt: Yes. |
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| 01:57.37 | karsten | ko12upt: I think those are unaccelerated graphics drivers though. |
| 01:57.38 | abrotman | mo1991: any SMTP server will let you do that if you've configured it correctly/wrongly |
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| 01:57.52 | mo1991 | abrotman - what I mean is send a mail and have the server not say the email address is not from the same domain |
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| 01:58.15 | ko12upt | karsten it works with windowz the game but im not sure if it will work with debian |
| 01:58.17 | karsten | mo1991: INSTALL EXIM4. CONFIGURE IT. THEN COME BACK AND ASK YOUR QUESTION. |
| 01:58.25 | abrotman | or postfix :) |
| 01:58.28 | WindowsUninstall | lol |
| 01:58.35 | karsten | abrotman: Don't confuse him. |
| 01:58.37 | mo1991 | abrotman - sendmail used to use the settings from the email client's "email from" setting |
| 01:58.44 | ko12upt | brb im going to do a google really quick |
| 01:58.48 | abrotman | karsten: we're way beyond that point :) |
| 01:59.00 | Supaplex | dpkg -i google |
| 01:59.00 | dpkg | package google is already installed |
| 01:59.07 | Supaplex | nice |
| 01:59.08 | mo1991 | abrotman - so by changing evolutions "from" address sendmail would send it out looking like it came from that address |
| 01:59.29 | abrotman | mo1991: that has nothing to do with sendmail vs exim vs postfix |
| 01:59.32 | karsten | mo1991: Between abrotman and myself you've got 3 or 4 decades of Unix + Linux experience here. Suggest you listen. |
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| 01:59.34 | mo1991 | abrotman - do you understand what I'm saying |
| 01:59.36 | abrotman | you can configure any of them to do that |
| 01:59.43 | mo1991 | ok |
| 01:59.56 | mo1991 | just wasn't sure you got what I was trying to do |
| 02:00.02 | mo1991 | can you help me set up exim to do that? |
| 02:00.14 | karsten | mo1991: Install it. |
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| 02:00.18 | Supaplex | for a fee |
| 02:00.20 | Supaplex | :P |
| 02:00.24 | abrotman | mo1991: in postfix .. you can set it to accept any mail from an IP range(s) .. which will send anything .. |
| 02:00.26 | karsten | mo1991: It will very likely be configured to do what you want when you're don.e |
| 02:00.36 | WindowsUninstall | mo1991, The only thing you need to know is "don't use sendmail" |
| 02:00.36 | WindowsUninstall | :) |
| 02:00.48 | Supaplex | !nickometer WindowsUninstall |
| 02:00.50 | dpkg | 'WindowsUninstall' is 0.000% lame, supaplex |
| 02:00.58 | mo1991 | ok, you guys have me convinced - |
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| 02:01.05 | WindowsUninstall | nice |
| 02:01.07 | Supaplex | I beg to differ ;) I say it's 3.5% lame. :P |
| 02:01.14 | abrotman | Supaplex: i disagree .. there's a capital letter in there! |
| 02:01.21 | mo1991 | abrotman - will exim allow me to send emails that look like there from @whatever? |
| 02:01.28 | mo1991 | or do you recommend postfix |
| 02:01.32 | abrotman | mo1991: if you configure it ... "badly" .. yhes |
| 02:01.36 | Supaplex | !start an mta war |
| 02:01.36 | dpkg | postfix owns |
| 02:01.37 | slack101 | mo1991, any will allow that |
| 02:01.47 | karsten | mo1991: And pour yourself a Leini while you're at it. |
| 02:01.49 | ko12upt | woot i love google |
| 02:01.53 | cafuego | mo1991: postfix or exim are preferred (a lot) |
| 02:01.54 | ko12upt | yes ill marry it |
| 02:02.02 | mo1991 | karsten - would like a leini |
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| 02:02.06 | karsten | ko12upt: Google won't have you. |
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| 02:02.21 | haxality | hello |
| 02:02.37 | ko12upt | lol |
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| 02:03.03 | ko12upt | too bad im a pretty swell guy |
| 02:03.05 | ko12upt | :P |
| 02:03.11 | haxality | I originally installed my system with gnome and gdm, but I was wondering how I could switch it to 'startx' to initiate the DE |
| 02:03.26 | abrotman | /usr/bin/gnome-session |
| 02:03.29 | anapivirtua | Hi world |
| 02:03.35 | haxality | buh? |
| 02:03.57 | abrotman | anapivirtua: cout? echo ? print? |
| 02:04.06 | anapivirtua | echo :> |
| 02:04.25 | ko12upt | karsten if anyone comes in here with s3g unichrome trouble heres a web site you might be able to send to them |
| 02:04.29 | hsimah | le sigh, still not working with the apache2 stuff. there isnt a way to just completely reinstall it ? |
| 02:04.33 | abrotman | argh . i forgot printf |
| 02:04.36 | ko12upt | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome <------------only if you really like helping out |
| 02:05.28 | haxality | ..ok |
| 02:05.34 | mo1991 | abrotman - exim is installed |
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| 02:05.43 | karsten | dpkg: sg3 unichrome is see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome |
| 02:05.43 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 02:05.48 | karsten | ko12upt: Thanks. |
| 02:06.03 | karsten | hsimah: purge and reinstall. |
| 02:06.13 | hsimah | how do i purge? |
| 02:06.23 | ko12upt | karsten will that work on deb? |
| 02:06.29 | ko12upt | i dont want to mess up my system lol |
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| 02:06.59 | haxality | ... |
| 02:07.02 | mo1991 | karsten - I have installed exim4 |
| 02:07.08 | karsten | ko12upt: aptitude purge <packagename> |
| 02:07.09 | haxality | 'aptitude purge packagename' |
| 02:07.10 | haxality | not hard. |
| 02:07.20 | mo1991 | can I still use a sendmail command from the command line or is there a different command |
| 02:07.26 | abrotman | karsten: /msg dpkg unichrome |
| 02:07.27 | ko12upt | lol okay |
| 02:07.32 | karsten | mo1991: OK, there should have been a configuration script that ran, some prompts for where you want to send/receive mail from. |
| 02:07.36 | hsimah | thanks haxality |
| 02:07.44 | mo1991 | karsten - yes I chose internet |
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| 02:07.55 | karsten | mo1991: Yes, 'sendmail' is an alias for exim. Sendmail-specific commandline options work. 'man exim' for details. |
| 02:08.09 | karsten | mo1991: There's also some good exim4 docs available for install. |
| 02:08.22 | ko12upt | sudo apt-get aptitude purge build-dep xserver-xorg-video-via <----------like this? |
| 02:08.23 | Supaplex | any sane mta will have postfix, I mean sendmail compatibility >:) |
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| 02:09.13 | mo1991 | karsten - exim is installed OK used default and ran dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 02:09.25 | mo1991 | how do I set up my mail client to use exim to send |
| 02:09.36 | karsten | Supaplex: Hush, child. |
| 02:09.37 | mo1991 | meaning what do I put in the smtp portion |
| 02:09.46 | karsten | mo1991: localhost |
| 02:10.00 | karsten | mo1991: localhost:25 if you need to specify a port. |
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| 02:11.48 | mo1991 | karsten ok - did that - doesn't send - checking exim log |
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| 02:12.54 | Balzaca2 | ello |
| 02:12.58 | Balzaca2 | anyone here mature? |
| 02:13.00 | janrocks | morning |
| 02:13.13 | Supaplex | Balzaca2: we're not efnet |
| 02:13.18 | ko12upt | Karsten okay its saying it cant find one of the packages how do i enable universe and multiverse repositories |
| 02:13.22 | mo1991 | karsten - I get a mailing to remote domains is not supported |
| 02:13.23 | Balzaca2 | yeah this server is a step above |
| 02:13.38 | karsten | ko12upt: /join #ubuntu |
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| 02:13.43 | ko12upt | is shh enabled |
| 02:13.44 | Balzaca2 | ubuntu= spamfest |
| 02:13.50 | hsimah | hmm i did the aptitude purge then reinstalled apache, but theres still no /etc/apache2 folder |
| 02:13.51 | ko12upt | karsten im using Debian |
| 02:13.54 | abrotman | so much for mature |
| 02:14.00 | karsten | mo1991: Well, one possibility may be that you're on a blacklisted IP block. |
| 02:14.11 | Balzaca2 | abrotman: uh? |
| 02:14.13 | abrotman | or the ISP has 25 outbound blocked .. |
| 02:14.14 | karsten | ko12upt: Then why would you want to use universe/multiverse? |
| 02:14.17 | Supaplex | hsimah: there are multiple apache packages. apache2 is what you wanted? |
| 02:14.43 | karsten | ko12upt: Debian doesn't have those. What packages are you trying to install? |
| 02:14.44 | ko12upt | oh never mind im so stupid |
| 02:14.47 | liable | apache2.2-common has the config iirc |
| 02:14.51 | ko12upt | im reading the website all wrong |
| 02:15.01 | Balzaca2 | are you korupt |
| 02:15.42 | mo1991 | karsten - I am not using this to spam and am trying to send to my own gmail, aol, etc account |
| 02:15.42 | ko12upt | i only use one of the two to build the darn driver dur |
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| 02:15.42 | Balzaca2 | corrupt* |
| 02:15.42 | ko12upt | okay <------------------takes a deep breathe lets keep going lol |
| 02:15.42 | hsimah | ah its worked this time - i spoke too soon |
| 02:15.42 | ko12upt | omg panic attack rofl |
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| 02:15.48 | Balzaca2 | ;P |
| 02:15.57 | karsten | mo1991: That's not going to help you if you're being blocked by either your ISP or remote sites using various DNSBLs. |
| 02:16.27 | Balzaca2 | ok |
| 02:16.42 | Balzaca2 | whats your fav. linux command combo all? |
| 02:16.43 | ko12upt | ooo so beautiful its working |
| 02:16.50 | ko12upt | aww su |
| 02:16.53 | ko12upt | haha |
| 02:17.08 | karsten | mo1991: You can test port 25 access by doing: telnet <mailserver-host> 25, then: HELO\n\lHELP\n\lQUIT\n\l |
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| 02:17.19 | mo1991 | karsten - I've checked my isp - doesn't block port 25 |
| 02:17.24 | karsten | mo1991: ... where the \n\l is the RFC-required <CR><LF> sequence. |
| 02:17.32 | abrotman | that was the quickest ISP call .. ever |
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| 02:17.57 | karsten | mo1991: You can talk directly to the remote server via SMTP as well. |
| 02:18.00 | karsten | abrotman: ?? |
| 02:18.07 | abrotman | karsten: !! |
| 02:18.13 | karsten | abrotman: :: |
| 02:18.24 | abrotman | karsten: @! |
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| 02:22.35 | mo1991 | karsten - ok I can telnet to the port |
| 02:22.41 | mo1991 | not sure what to do now though |
| 02:22.48 | Supaplex | !panic |
| 02:22.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, panic is STAY CALM DAMMIT! |
| 02:22.55 | Supaplex | ;) jk |
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| 02:23.06 | Supaplex | mo1991: try HELP<enter> |
| 02:23.09 | ko12upt | woot take that stupid s3g unichrome piece of rawrawr damn driver i wish i didnt give my mother my nvidia card |
| 02:23.14 | karsten | mo1991: Then the problem is your configuration. I'm outta here, ask channel. |
| 02:23.52 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:24.24 | karsten | ko12upt: Friends don't give mothers Nvidia cards. |
| 02:24.44 | zinx | unichrome.. that's like, a VGA Port, not a video card. |
| 02:24.53 | abrotman | it's not that bad |
| 02:25.00 | abrotman | at least it's not the Trio cards :) |
| 02:25.02 | zinx | it's pretty bad :) |
| 02:25.07 | Supaplex | it's the winmodem of vga cards? ;) |
| 02:25.08 | zinx | or my neomagic 256av? |
| 02:25.12 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:25.16 | zinx | (worst card EVER) |
| 02:25.18 | abrotman | only gateway used those things |
| 02:25.30 | zinx | my thinkpad 600e has a neomagic 256av |
| 02:25.38 | zinx | it can barely do 2d :P |
| 02:25.44 | zinx | and only at 16bpp |
| 02:25.48 | abrotman | zinx: and you're the idiot that bought it :) |
| 02:25.54 | zinx | i didn't buy it |
| 02:25.57 | zinx | it was given to me :P |
| 02:26.06 | abrotman | should have rejected it |
| 02:26.11 | zinx | i'd be laptopless without it |
| 02:26.36 | abrotman | zinx: don't you have a cozy job writing video games ? |
| 02:26.52 | zinx | abrotman: not a job, no |
| 02:26.58 | abrotman | just a hobby eh ? |
| 02:27.04 | zinx | my desktop is significantly better fwiw :P |
| 02:27.23 | abrotman | zinx: a PII huh ? |
| 02:27.25 | zinx | abrotman: contract work pops up here and there |
| 02:27.40 | zinx | abrotman: haws, the thinkpad is actually a p2-mobile 366 or so |
| 02:27.40 | hsimah | ok so i installed apache2, but it says it cant start cause of an error in the config file, but i just downloaded it |
| 02:27.55 | zinx | abrotman: my main system is a X2 4400+ w/ 7800 GTX |
| 02:27.57 | abrotman | zinx: i'd trade you .. but my lappie is my main system |
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| 02:28.30 | abrotman | though i may get another soon |
| 02:28.39 | zinx | i hope to get another laptop soon :/ |
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| 02:28.54 | abrotman | it's so hard to give up a system where everything works with linux without issue |
| 02:28.55 | zinx | i don't think i'd be able to stand game dev on a mac |
| 02:29.38 | abrotman | oh .. except i have an slmodem i never use |
| 02:29.45 | abrotman | but easily done with m0a |
| 02:29.46 | abrotman | m-a |
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| 02:30.20 | unlink | stew: i have something of the form <ivm:Match name="hal.udi" value="/org/freedesktop/..."><ivm:Option name="exec" value="some_script_i_wrote" /></ivm:Match> in my ~/.ivman/IvmConfigActions.xml. when i run ivman -d, i can see the device with that udi appearing when i insert it, but i see nothing about my command being run or failing |
| 02:30.50 | ko12upt | what is this used for i dont see it in debian linux-headers-generic do i need to upgrade my headers |
| 02:31.06 | ko12upt | oh i think i know the software header has to match the kernel header |
| 02:31.26 | abrotman | kernel is software |
| 02:31.57 | ko12upt | hmm okay heres the line this is suppose to work for debian and ubuntu with mark up |
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| 02:32.12 | ko12upt | sudo apt-get install git-core linux-headers-generic |
| 02:32.19 | ko12upt | im not sure what is going on here |
| 02:32.50 | ko12upt | its getting git-core i already have that but is linux-headers-generic neccessary |
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| 02:32.54 | abrotman | ko12upt: did you try asking #ubuntu ? |
| 02:33.07 | ko12upt | abrotman im using debian lol |
| 02:33.14 | ko12upt | but here take a look |
| 02:33.21 | ko12upt | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome |
| 02:33.32 | ko12upt | this page says its for debian and ubuntu |
| 02:33.38 | ko12upt | read the top |
| 02:33.57 | ko12upt | This howto will help you compile and install the openChrome driver in Ubuntu 6.06 LTS and up. It should also work on Debian and other Debian based distributions like Kanotix and Knoppix. |
| 02:33.59 | abrotman | ko12upt: what is your card ? |
| 02:34.04 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
| 02:34.08 | ko12upt | s3g unicrome |
| 02:34.25 | Supaplex | ko12upt: "should" = famous last words. :) (sometimes anyway) |
| 02:34.26 | abrotman | great .. which actual model ? |
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| 02:34.49 | ko12upt | via s3g unichrome pro igp |
| 02:35.07 | abrotman | the unichrome driver is in etch already |
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| 02:35.28 | ko12upt | abrotman with no 3d acceleration |
| 02:35.36 | abrotman | i asked for the lspci line for a reason |
| 02:35.44 | ko12upt | k |
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| 02:36.07 | ko12upt | 00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 ISA bridge [KT600/K8T800/K8T890 South] |
| 02:36.49 | ko12upt | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapter (rev 01) |
| 02:36.51 | abrotman | that's not the VGA line |
| 02:36.53 | abrotman | ah there we go |
| 02:36.57 | ko12upt | yea |
| 02:36.58 | ko12upt | lol |
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| 02:37.31 | abrotman | that's a vague descriptoin .. damn via |
| 02:37.46 | ko12upt | sorry about that |
| 02:37.59 | ko12upt | i took the information down in windows so i could use it with linux |
| 02:38.01 | abrotman | it's not your fault |
| 02:38.08 | ko12upt | becaus i know some times its veage |
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| 02:38.57 | abrotman | i can't imagine that's not supported in etch .. |
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| 02:39.06 | ko12upt | im compiling lol while we speak |
| 02:39.13 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 02:39.13 | ko12upt | i know i cant believe it either |
| 02:39.19 | ko12upt | i went to run with wine |
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| 02:39.37 | ko12upt | and starcraft gave me the error that opengl wasnt installed |
| 02:39.47 | ko12upt | so i figured its not getting 3d support |
| 02:40.00 | ko12upt | because of that stupid direct x crap with microsoft |
| 02:40.03 | abrotman | isn't starcraft a windows game ? |
| 02:40.14 | ko12upt | yep |
| 02:40.17 | Kevin` | or you dont have opengl libraries installed.. |
| 02:40.24 | ko12upt | and i got it running with wine |
| 02:40.32 | ko12upt | kevin i think i do |
| 02:40.33 | abrotman | so wait .. you're compiling your X driver to get it working in wine ? |
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| 02:40.40 | ko12upt | yep lol |
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| 02:41.08 | abrotman | !info freecraft etch |
| 02:41.12 | dpkg | freecraft: (Realtime fantasy strategy game for Unix and X), section games, is optional. Version: 1:1.18-2.3 (etch), Packaged size: 698 kB, Installed size: 1728 kB |
| 02:41.53 | ko12upt | lol abrotman im so far into compileing i think its either i get my starcraft to work or well really i just get it to work |
| 02:42.20 | abrotman | did you think to ask #winehq ? |
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| 02:43.12 | ko12upt | glxinfo | grep render |
| 02:43.19 | ko12upt | what command will make this work |
| 02:43.25 | abrotman | did you install mesa-utils ? |
| 02:43.28 | ko12upt | im almost done need to test it |
| 02:43.29 | ko12upt | yes |
| 02:43.34 | ko12upt | that was in the install |
| 02:43.39 | abrotman | not likely |
| 02:43.44 | abrotman | !find glxinfo etch |
| 02:43.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'glxinfo' (3): (/usr/bin/glxinfo) in x11/mesa-utils ;; (/usr/share/mesademos/progs/xdemos/glxinfo.c) in graphics/mesademos ;; (/usr/share/doc/libgtkglext1-dev/examples/glxinfo.c.gz) in libdevel/libgtkglext1-dev. |
| 02:44.50 | ko12upt | abrotman lol okay so install mesa-utils |
| 02:45.06 | abrotman | i asked if it was installed |
| 02:45.12 | ko12upt | nope lol |
| 02:45.16 | ko12upt | you were right |
| 02:45.30 | abrotman | that happens sometimes |
| 02:46.04 | ko12upt | :P |
| 02:46.19 | ko12upt | so how would i install apt-get install mesa-utils? |
| 02:46.35 | ko12upt | yep |
| 02:46.39 | ko12upt | lol i tested it |
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| 02:47.08 | jeffwheeler | I'm running Sid and I haven't noticed any system updates in about a week; is something going on? |
| 02:47.21 | ko12upt | woot i fixed tha thing |
| 02:47.23 | ko12upt | direct rendering: Yes |
| 02:47.23 | ko12upt | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI UniChrome (K8M800) 20060710 |
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| 02:47.31 | ko12upt | thats money |
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| 02:48.43 | ko12upt | oo im good <--------------runs around naked wooo feels like i won a million dollars from the horse races picture me now picture me now rofl thanks everyone for the help |
| 02:48.50 | mo1991 | abrotman - I am able to telnet into exim on port 25 locally - I am having timeout issues sending emails according to log - can you help me with the commands to see what is wrong |
| 02:49.01 | mo1991 | abrotman - I am able to telnet into exim on port 25 locally - I am having timeout issues sending emails according to log - |
| 02:49.06 | abrotman | mo1991: telnet is enough |
| 02:49.07 | MangosDebian | ko12upt: RUN FOREST, RUN! |
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| 02:49.36 | ko12upt | im running im running |
| 02:49.52 | mo1991 | abrotman - I can't get it to send out to any emails using localhost:25 as the smtp |
| 02:49.52 | ko12upt | <------------hits a tree still running on the ground |
| 02:50.08 | abrotman | mo1991: i'd imagine your ISP is blocking |
| 02:50.15 | mo1991 | is there a way to see if my isp is blocking port 25 |
| 02:50.24 | mo1991 | they said they aren't but may be I have to call back |
| 02:50.47 | abrotman | telnet mail.yahoo.com |
| 02:50.49 | mo1991 | abrotman - my own firewall wouldn't matter would it |
| 02:50.50 | abrotman | telnet mail.yahoo.com 25 |
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| 02:50.56 | abrotman | of course it would |
| 02:50.57 | n3kl__ | Hi. Here is a complete backup script written in perl that I have been using, but I can't set it up on a cronjob easily. http://pastebin.ca/594777 I need to convert this to bash, but I really like the way it parses the hosts.txt file. Does bash support ${array[-1] or something, so that I can say use $1 in the file as a host, and the rest as directories? |
| 02:51.01 | ko12upt | im a hummin im a hummin lol okay seriously last question then im done how do i add the modules so that they are launched at start up |
| 02:51.06 | ko12upt | here are the lines |
| 02:51.12 | n3kl__ | Any thouhgts on how I would achieve this or something better? |
| 02:51.15 | ko12upt | echo "drm" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules |
| 02:51.15 | ko12upt | echo "via" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules |
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| 02:51.28 | CMA | hello |
| 02:51.30 | ko12upt | aww there already in there doh |
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| 02:52.03 | ko12upt | wish me luck im rebooting now :O so scared |
| 02:52.14 | Old_Fogie | gl ko12upt |
| 02:52.20 | ko12upt | :) |
| 02:53.04 | Old_Fogie | hello all, is there a way to "print out a list in my terminal" of my currently installed packages by "category". for example, how would I print to my terminal a list of installed games? |
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| 02:54.09 | Old_Fogie | My goal is to reduce setup time for another pc that I for the most part want to duplicate the installed packages on this one pc to another. |
| 02:54.17 | hsimah | how do i list all installed .deb files? |
| 02:54.17 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 02:54.18 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 02:54.23 | abrotman | !installed |
| 02:54.24 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 02:54.27 | Old_Fogie | So I was thinking of doing a install.sh kind of file that calls aptitude for those files. |
| 02:55.33 | Old_Fogie | wow cool, I give that a shot :D |
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| 02:56.39 | unlink | how do i have gnome-session run something when it starts? |
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| 02:57.07 | Old_Fogie | unlink: you mean like a startup with gnome? |
| 02:57.10 | unlink | while preserving the defaults in /usr/share/gnome/default.session |
| 02:57.47 | mo1991 | abrotman - if I can't telnet to mail.yahoo.com 25 after uninstalling firewall then my isp is blocking correct? |
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| 03:00.16 | unlink | Old_Fogie: yeah |
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| 03:01.07 | korupt | okay heres my error err:ddraw:DDRAW_Create Couldn't load WineD3D - OpenGL libs not present? |
| 03:01.13 | korupt | but heres the thing i dont get |
| 03:01.45 | Old_Fogie | unlink: in preferences there is 'sessions' and in there you can add start-up apps. that's per user so it shouldnt affect your global. |
| 03:01.54 | korupt | direct rendering: Yes |
| 03:01.54 | korupt | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI UniChrome (K8M800) 20060710 |
| 03:01.57 | unlink | Old_Fogie: i just noticed that actually. thanks. |
| 03:02.06 | Old_Fogie | unlink: :D |
| 03:02.21 | Old_Fogie | !aptitude clone |
| 03:02.21 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude upgrade; on the other machine. |
| 03:02.26 | korupt | old_fogie do you know wat is going on? |
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| 03:02.58 | korupt | old fogieis that to me? |
| 03:03.07 | Old_Fogie | shh, I know some thingies just dont tell noone. |
| 03:03.32 | korupt | aww okay i wont tell anyone if ya help me a little :) |
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| 03:04.05 | korupt | above is my error and below that i show what is going on with glxinfo | grep render |
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| 03:04.52 | korupt | err:ddraw:DDRAW_Create Couldn't load WineD3D - OpenGL libs not present? and glxinfo | grep render says err:ddraw:DDRAW_Create Couldn't load WineD3D - OpenGL libs not present? |
| 03:05.02 | korupt | oops |
| 03:05.11 | korupt | direct rendering: Yes |
| 03:05.11 | korupt | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI UniChrome (K8M800) 20060710 |
| 03:05.14 | Old_Fogie | korupt: sorry can't help ya on wine, i use bleeding edge version. |
| 03:05.33 | Old_Fogie | but you might do 'winecfg' and see what your settings are |
| 03:05.33 | korupt | aww nutts |
| 03:05.41 | korupt | i did that |
| 03:05.51 | korupt | i dont see what is going on :( |
| 03:06.02 | Old_Fogie | well opengl libs not present |
| 03:06.13 | Old_Fogie | did you make your own? |
| 03:06.31 | Old_Fogie | package that is. |
| 03:06.42 | korupt | old fogie opengl renerer string is mesa dri unichrome that is right? |
| 03:07.00 | korupt | or besides that no i didnt install the opengl |
| 03:07.24 | korupt | what should i install libopengl-perl? |
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| 03:07.46 | Old_Fogie | Yeah you dont need to install any extra opengl stuff for wine on stock debian 4 |
| 03:08.12 | Old_Fogie | if you were to make your own then you would. |
| 03:08.15 | Old_Fogie | as you'd need some dependencies dev's. |
| 03:08.27 | korupt | aww i see |
| 03:08.31 | Old_Fogie | but if you're getting DRI and it wont work with your application |
| 03:08.40 | Old_Fogie | then it's a good chance thatyou may need to change the windows version |
| 03:08.48 | korupt | how can i tell if opengl exsists |
| 03:08.49 | Old_Fogie | that wine tries to duplicate for you for the app. |
| 03:09.02 | Old_Fogie | well you ran "glxinfo |grep render" right? |
| 03:09.10 | korupt | yep |
| 03:09.11 | Old_Fogie | that's in the mesa-utils package |
| 03:09.12 | Old_Fogie | ok |
| 03:09.15 | Old_Fogie | and you get DRI |
| 03:09.21 | korupt | this is what i get |
| 03:09.42 | korupt | direct rendering: Yes |
| 03:09.42 | korupt | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI UniChrome (K8M800) 20060710 |
| 03:10.08 | Old_Fogie | if you run in a terminal "glxgears -printfps" do you get any screwy errors spammed in the console? |
| 03:10.37 | korupt | let me check |
| 03:10.54 | korupt | nope i see em running |
| 03:10.59 | korupt | pretty fast |
| 03:11.00 | Old_Fogie | k |
| 03:11.15 | korupt | 2530 frames in 5.0 seconds = 505.831 FPS |
| 03:11.57 | korupt | so everything is checking out? |
| 03:12.07 | unlink | is there a way to either (1) blacklist a certain device from being mounted by gnome-volume-manager, or (2) ensure that a certain device (say, /dev/backup) gets mounted to a certain mount point by gnome-volume-manager? |
| 03:12.47 | Old_Fogie | yea the dri seems good on your boxen. you may have to play with the tab for 'graphics' in 'winecfg' and check your settings in there and see if it still happens. or check the wine database and see if there is some kind of fix for your application. |
| 03:13.04 | korupt | k |
| 03:13.32 | Old_Fogie | other than that maybe try playing with the windows version in the winecfg and reload your app seeing that new wine version. |
| 03:13.44 | korupt | yea im trying that |
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| 03:14.14 | Old_Fogie | Other than that I really cant say, I'm not a wine guru :D |
| 03:14.26 | korupt | :) |
| 03:14.45 | korupt | thank you |
| 03:15.58 | korupt | one more thing old fogie where do i check my color resolution? |
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| 03:16.34 | Old_Fogie | korupt: just so you know, you can rebuild wine on your own for debian if you wanted to try a later version. it buids quite well with the checkinstall applicatoino. wine changes so much there could be a fix for the D3D in it? just a thought. |
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| 03:16.58 | Old_Fogie | korupt: check in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file there should be "default" there near the end. |
| 03:17.07 | korupt | aww okay |
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| 03:17.46 | Old_Fogie | korupt: I really dont use wine for anything except checking if a web page works in IE, not for games, but the change logs for latest wine shows alot for D3D as wine is heavily geared at gaming. |
| 03:18.01 | korupt | i see |
| 03:18.08 | Old_Fogie | *eh, webpage I make |
| 03:18.09 | Zoo | hey, is there any user who has configured pygtk2.10 into debian before? just asking, to see if I'm right about this 1.. |
| 03:18.15 | korupt | hmm can i set default to 32? |
| 03:18.26 | Old_Fogie | korupt: well, depending on your video card |
| 03:18.31 | Old_Fogie | you might lose your DRI |
| 03:18.39 | Old_Fogie | some card only yield dri at certain depths. |
| 03:18.39 | korupt | i hope not |
| 03:18.42 | Old_Fogie | what card? |
| 03:18.46 | korupt | its set at 24 right now |
| 03:19.11 | korupt | its via s3g unichrome pro graphics |
| 03:19.17 | korupt | well pro igp |
| 03:19.46 | Old_Fogie | check the man page for your card, it should tell you about dri specific color depth. your probably gonna have to go 16 vs 32. |
| 03:20.08 | korupt | aright |
| 03:20.27 | Zoo | wouldn't it just be a ./configure --prefix=/usr or ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --disable-kde |
| 03:20.28 | korupt | su |
| 03:20.30 | korupt | oops |
| 03:20.31 | Zoo | I"m in gnome etc |
| 03:20.38 | Old_Fogie | rofl |
| 03:20.51 | korupt | :) |
| 03:20.52 | Old_Fogie | korupt: that's funny. |
| 03:20.56 | mo1991 | abrotman - I now have mail sending via localhost:25 |
| 03:20.57 | korupt | i do that alot |
| 03:21.00 | Zoo | I've alrady compiled compiz-fusion, everything from git, on etch |
| 03:21.05 | Old_Fogie | I saw a guy forget the / in msg nickserv and give out his irc pass LOL. |
| 03:21.07 | korupt | almost had the password going too |
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| 03:21.14 | Zoo | just need this, pygtk2.10 or higher etc |
| 03:21.21 | Zoo | its for ccsm |
| 03:21.32 | mo1991 | abrotman - now how do I set up to use as smtp from remote host - it is denying connection right now |
| 03:21.33 | Old_Fogie | you could add yourself to the man group btw if that was what your doing so you can view them so linux doesnt break your chops korupt |
| 03:21.41 | Old_Fogie | youll have to log/in/out for it tho. |
| 03:21.59 | korupt | hmm |
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| 03:22.42 | ko12upt | oh i was doing a su then gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 03:22.49 | ko12upt | :) |
| 03:23.37 | ko12upt | im going to go bust #wine chops for a bit see if i can get this working |
| 03:23.56 | ko12upt | wow three people |
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| 03:26.57 | mo1991 | can someone help me with exim4. It works sending mail out using localhost as the smtp but doesn't work using from outside local network. Is there a setting I need to change? |
| 03:26.59 | ko12upt | i bet its something simple like the linker isnt in place |
| 03:27.08 | PiousMinion | Anyone know why this doesn't work evn though the binary exists ?? update-alternatives --set x-window-manager /usr/bin/startxfce4 |
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| 03:29.19 | n3kl__ | is enemy territory in apt? |
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| 03:29.54 | PiousMinion | n3kl__: apt-cache search |
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| 03:32.15 | kritical | My Debian box has a high load (over 2 consistently)... I can't see what's causing it in `top`, does anyone know what other commands might be helpful? |
| 03:32.30 | apk | kritical: htop |
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| 03:33.05 | kritical | dpkg -S htop |
| 03:33.05 | dpkg | There is no record of a htop package |
| 03:33.05 | kritical | dpkg: *htop* not found. |
| 03:33.10 | f00li5h | hi'ya folks |
| 03:33.19 | kritical | apk, any idea what package that's in? |
| 03:33.39 | apk | kritical: I have an htop package installed (lenny) |
| 03:33.54 | ko12upt | thats it im going to build wine lol |
| 03:33.59 | apk | kritical: Maybe it is in non-free or contrib. |
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| 03:34.21 | f00li5h | i'm trying to install (i think etch... 4.0 anyway) and it complains that all my packages are invalid (or corrupted) and won't let me install. i get no space left on device for mkdir /target/var/lib/dpkg on tty4 |
| 03:34.47 | kritical | ahh non-free there we go |
| 03:35.36 | f00li5h | i think the most interesting part is that the installer worked yesterday, from this cd. |
| 03:35.42 | apk | kritical: It is like top, but has filters and navigation and search, and other neat tricks. |
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| 03:37.09 | Old_Fogie | would doing this command "dpkg --list |grep game" shown me the list of games "installed" or is that showing me packages that have the word "game" in their name and/or description? |
| 03:37.23 | Supaplex | where's a vserver support channel? freenode apparently has none. |
| 03:37.36 | dondelelcaro | Old_Fogie: the latter. |
| 03:37.37 | Old_Fogie | ok ty dondelelcaro |
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| 03:37.53 | Old_Fogie | yeah i'm looking for how to get the first. |
| 03:38.12 | epsilon | how can I rip RealMedia video stream (rtsp)? |
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| 03:38.54 | lymeca | Are the xen-linux-system-* packages gone from sid completely or are they renamed?? |
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| 03:40.51 | f00li5h | when in the instller is /target mounted? |
| 03:41.41 | dondelelcaro | Old_Fogie: you can get at some of it by searching for something like aptitude search ~i~sgames; or similar. |
| 03:43.03 | MangosDebian | epsilon: just ask the creator to convert it for you :p |
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| 03:43.07 | Ze-M | how can i uninstall a package with apt but without verying dependencies? |
| 03:43.22 | dondelelcaro | Ze-M: why would you want to do that? |
| 03:43.25 | f00li5h | Ze-M: won't it just fail? |
| 03:43.37 | Ze-M | does any one knows? |
| 03:44.12 | dondelelcaro | Ze-M: we know, but we're not into giving you bad advice. |
| 03:44.16 | epsilon | never mind, find the solution |
| 03:44.28 | Ze-M | man |
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| 03:45.02 | dondelelcaro | you'll be happer if you answer the questions that I ask, though. |
| 03:45.07 | Ze-M | i know what im doing, i had packaged a package but have problems and i want to just remove it without the dependencies |
| 03:45.21 | mo1991_ | can somoeone help me with exim - it works but can only log in on local machine - how do I change the acess to port 25 to all |
| 03:45.27 | mo1991_ | can somoeone help me with exim - it works but can only log in on local machine - how do I change the acess |
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| 03:45.36 | dondelelcaro | Ze-M: if you've packaged a package which has problems and other packages depend on it, fix those problems, and just install the fixed version. |
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| 03:45.51 | Ze-M | dondelelcaro: your a joke |
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| 03:46.25 | f00li5h | dondelelcaro: can you tell me how to make this installer behave? |
| 03:46.27 | lymeca | Anyone know what happens to the Xen kernel packages in sid? |
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| 03:46.32 | epsilon | *found |
| 03:46.35 | dondelelcaro | f00li5h: what's it doing? |
| 03:47.10 | f00li5h | dondelelcaro: it complains that all my packages (in base) are corrupt... on tty4 i get No space left on device, many many times |
| 03:47.21 | f00li5h | i get a feeling it hasn't mounted /target yet -_- |
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| 03:50.09 | rabies | hello party goers |
| 03:50.15 | f00li5h | rabies: meow |
| 03:50.28 | rabies | i see the clientell hasnt changed |
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| 03:52.25 | f00li5h | how can i save the answers i've given the installer so far? |
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| 03:54.52 | dondelelcaro | f00li5h: yeah, that's probably it |
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| 03:55.15 | f00li5h | dondelelcaro: do you know when that is mounted? |
| 03:55.15 | dondelelcaro | f00li5h: you can use debconf-get-selections (assuming it exists) to rip the selections out |
| 03:55.32 | dondelelcaro | f00li5h: it should happen at the end of partitioning |
| 03:56.22 | f00li5h | dondelelcaro: hrm, it doesn't seem to ... i think i'll restart the install |
| 03:56.36 | mo1991 | can anyone help me getting exim4 to act as an smtp server for internet users rather than just local ones? |
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| 03:57.09 | f00li5h | mo1991: doesn't debconf ask you about that when you install it? |
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| 03:58.02 | f00li5h | i wish i had my infrastructure back -_- |
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| 04:01.02 | jipp_ | hey guys - any pointers on how to setup apache2+ssl if i have a server key file from an older install? |
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| 04:03.51 | scenestar | jipp_ yeah |
| 04:03.54 | mo1991 | foolish, I don't think so |
| 04:03.55 | scenestar | just back up the key |
| 04:04.03 | scenestar | instal all that crap |
| 04:04.09 | scenestar | then replace the set key with the backed up one |
| 04:04.13 | scenestar | duuhh |
| 04:04.41 | jipp_ | ... |
| 04:04.53 | jipp_ | you always this nice? |
| 04:05.03 | scenestar | no, usually im a complete dick |
| 04:05.14 | jipp_ | no kidding |
| 04:05.19 | jipp_ | thanks |
| 04:05.22 | scenestar | apt-get install apache-ssl |
| 04:05.28 | scenestar | i dont see the big issue |
| 04:06.04 | liable | mo1991: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 04:06.12 | scenestar | jipp_ im assuming by key you mean /etc/apache2/apache.pem |
| 04:06.14 | liable | mo1991: chose internet option.. |
| 04:06.41 | scenestar | or /etc/apache/ssl.crt/server.crt and /etc/apache/ssl.key/server.key |
| 04:06.59 | speeves | jipp_: don't apt-get install apache-ssl, as that will install apache1.3 |
| 04:07.09 | speeves | jipp_: apt-get install apache2 is fine |
| 04:07.29 | speeves | then run: a2enmod ssl |
| 04:07.43 | scenestar | he said apache |
| 04:07.45 | scenestar | not apache2 |
| 04:07.49 | mo1991 | liable - I did choose internet option - what else do I have to do - right now I can only access as localhost - should I have it listen on ppo0 as well as 127.0.0.1 |
| 04:07.54 | mo1991 | please let me know |
| 04:07.58 | speeves | scenestar: he asked about apache2 :) |
| 04:08.05 | scenestar | oh |
| 04:08.10 | scenestar | yeah now i see |
| 04:08.23 | liable | mo1991: does netstat show it as listening on 0.0.0.0 ? |
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| 04:09.04 | mo1991 | liable - I am trying to use as smtp for external users |
| 04:09.11 | mo1991 | what would be the netstat command |
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| 04:09.38 | liable | mo1991: netstat -plunt |
| 04:09.51 | scenestar | nmap -vv localhost? |
| 04:10.00 | liable | mo1991: are you sure you want a mail server? they are a bitch to set up properly |
| 04:10.34 | scenestar | yeah no shit |
| 04:10.37 | mo1991 | liable yes - do I need to specify the IP ranges that it accepts from or can I just listen on the internet IP |
| 04:10.37 | liable | and exim's configs can cause insanity |
| 04:10.51 | scenestar | i prefer posfix |
| 04:11.08 | speeves | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config makes it pretty easy |
| 04:11.09 | scenestar | but yeah mo1991 you have no idea what the hell you are getting yourself itno |
| 04:11.10 | mo1991 | liable basically I want to be able to use exim as an smtp from other hosts |
| 04:11.11 | speeves | plus secure |
| 04:11.31 | scenestar | uhm |
| 04:11.31 | scenestar | no? |
| 04:11.42 | speeves | mo1991: you want to allow other hosts to relay? |
| 04:11.48 | speeves | using SMTP_AUTH? |
| 04:11.55 | mo1991 | scenestar - isn't there a simple way to settup an smtp server on debian that requires a user/pass that I'm trying to do |
| 04:11.56 | speeves | or without? |
| 04:12.06 | mo1991 | speeves does that make sense? |
| 04:12.07 | scenestar | mo1991 AHJAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA |
| 04:12.11 | scenestar | NO FUCKING WAY |
| 04:12.20 | speeves | SMTP_AUTH is a bit more complicated |
| 04:12.22 | scenestar | dude, mailservers are IMPOSSIBLE to setup right |
| 04:12.24 | speeves | but more secure |
| 04:12.38 | scenestar | please save the internet from another open relay for spammers |
| 04:12.42 | scenestar | and *dont do it* |
| 04:12.59 | speeves | scenestar: exim4 straight config on Debian doesn't allow open-relays |
| 04:13.01 | mo1991 | can't I setup so it uses user and pass to login |
| 04:13.12 | mo1991 | how would anyone else login |
| 04:13.13 | scenestar | speeves hum |
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| 04:13.32 | scenestar | i dunno, i run an isp so my config is more tweaked |
| 04:13.38 | scenestar | but yeah i suppose it could work |
| 04:13.39 | cafuego | scenestar: mailservers are quite easy to setup right |
| 04:13.45 | cafuego | scenestar: Just not sendmail ones ;-) |
| 04:13.53 | regulate | why does at depend on exim4 |
| 04:13.55 | speeves | cafuego: absolutely |
| 04:14.01 | scenestar | hoi cafuego , ben je wel niet heel erg vroeg wakker |
| 04:14.09 | mo1991 | cafuego - can you help me set up as smtp for external hosts |
| 04:14.16 | cafuego | scenestar: het is hier twee uur 's middags |
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| 04:14.22 | scenestar | waar zit jij nu dan? |
| 04:14.23 | cafuego | mo1991: Not exim4, no. |
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| 04:14.34 | mo1991 | cafuego - what should I use then |
| 04:14.34 | cafuego | scenestar: ik woon in melbourn (al jaren) |
| 04:14.43 | scenestar | oooh |
| 04:14.49 | scenestar | ik dacht in almere |
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| 04:14.50 | scenestar | :P |
| 04:14.54 | cafuego | mo1991: exim4 is fine, I just can't help you with it, as I don't use it. |
| 04:15.02 | cafuego | nooit geweest |
| 04:15.28 | speeves | mo1991: you can refer to the readme in /usr/share/doc/exim4* |
| 04:15.48 | speeves | it will show you how to configure it as a server or client with SMTP_AUTH |
| 04:15.54 | speeves | piece o cake :) |
| 04:16.09 | nvz | cafuego: and, no cheeswiz to you too |
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| 04:16.31 | cafuego | nvz: that's fine, i'm not generally a fan of eating pastics |
| 04:16.53 | Supaplex | cafuego: but it's low in carbs! ;-D |
| 04:16.57 | scenestar | but then again |
| 04:16.58 | scenestar | im leet |
| 04:17.11 | speeves | !leet |
| 04:17.11 | dpkg | /me is leet cos he can start lines with a / |
| 04:17.17 | smimp | i''m running gentoo on some odd hardware.. i want to try out debian on it, but the only space i have is an lvm volume... so what all would be needed there? justa hefty initrd? and the proper grub line? |
| 04:17.18 | nvz | cafuego: heh. my friend was just telling me thats the secret incredient to Eat&Park's philly steak on their summer menu |
| 04:17.21 | nvz | sound gross |
| 04:18.08 | Supaplex | smimp: install guide describes how to install from an existing linux install. are you looking to take over the old install? or run an alternate distro side by side? |
| 04:18.15 | slack101 | when adding more ip's to the interface file whats the syntax ... i just have 1 entry in there so i dont know how more are to look ? |
| 04:18.37 | smimp | side by side for now |
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| 04:19.40 | Supaplex | smimp: sharing grub might get sticky, but I like the menu option myself. (menu options to the alternate distro, from each). but if you share /boot (eg, it's a dedicated fs) then all in one is possible (but debian might assume options for your gentoo kernels, and duplicate entries) |
| 04:19.49 | Supaplex | !tell smimp -about i-g |
| 04:19.59 | Supaplex | smimp: from the TOC, it's one of the last sections |
| 04:21.38 | cafuego | nvz: being from europe and dutch, I've grown up with actual cheese. |
| 04:21.48 | scenestar | ugh |
| 04:21.49 | scenestar | cheese |
| 04:21.58 | scenestar | i eat too mcuh of it |
| 04:22.19 | Supaplex | he's the cheezey bastage ;) |
| 04:22.26 | speeves | lol |
| 04:23.00 | cafuego | scenestar: there is no such thing as too much cheese |
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| 04:23.11 | scenestar | ooh |
| 04:23.48 | scenestar | cafuego not if you eat as much cheese as i do >:| |
| 04:23.56 | scenestar | btw |
| 04:23.58 | PiousMinion | Is there a way to tell apt/aptitude to install a specific version of a package? |
| 04:24.07 | scenestar | yes |
| 04:24.11 | Supaplex | I wonder if there's an easy way to allow dhcp assignment of multiple alias interfaces. (eg, multiple ips on the same mac address, but for different client ids?) |
| 04:24.37 | PiousMinion | scenestar: Care to share that info? 8) |
| 04:24.45 | scenestar | no |
| 04:24.59 | scenestar | PiousMinion just open aptitude |
| 04:25.03 | scenestar | go to the package you want |
| 04:25.05 | scenestar | press enter |
| 04:25.11 | scenestar | then pick from the cli menu |
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| 04:26.04 | Supaplex | how do I reinstall a package (apt-get install --reinstall dhcp3-server), and not start/restart the service from it? |
| 04:26.04 | scenestar | please keep your goatse references to yourself |
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| 04:26.12 | PiousMinion | wow, lol |
| 04:26.44 | Supaplex | PiousMinion: see the -t switch |
| 04:27.10 | Supaplex | PiousMinion: failing that, I know it's on backports homepage. /msg dpkg backports |
| 04:28.46 | smimp | Supaplex: thanks.. ill attempt it when im not quite so tired ;p |
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| 04:30.56 | scenestar | god |
| 04:31.08 | scenestar | im gonna strangle whichever fucktard packaged Xen |
| 04:31.35 | PiousMinion | Supaplex: The repository I am trying to install from has several versions of the same package. |
| 04:32.08 | scenestar | PiousMinion i just gave you the goddamn answer |
| 04:32.09 | scenestar | please quit wastin valuable time |
| 04:32.59 | Supaplex | cli menu = tui |
| 04:33.13 | PiousMinion | scenestar: I am not comfortable with the 'aptitude' program enough to go looking for a package within it. Wasting time would be me trying to do that. |
| 04:33.43 | scenestar | look, i dont feel like getting banned so im gonna keep this short |
| 04:33.49 | scenestar | read up on fucking apt-pinning |
| 04:34.02 | scenestar | and for fucks sake JUST FUCKING TRY INSTEAD OF FUCKING ASKING |
| 04:34.18 | mo1991 | speeves - I have smtp listening on the internet now - if I want to use as an smtp for internet users is that relaying mail?? |
| 04:34.41 | Supaplex | !tell PiousMinion -about pinning |
| 04:34.45 | PiousMinion | I understand the concept. Considering that there are several gigs of packages to rummage though finding the specific package I want could take several hours. This is why I ask. |
| 04:35.00 | mike_ | scenestar: Really helping this forums reputation huh |
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| 04:36.23 | PiousMinion | scenestar: Stating "I am too belligerent to admit that I do not know" would have sufficed. |
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| 04:36.51 | doesnothelp | hi all |
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| 04:37.22 | scenestar | PiousMinion im sure it would, but for now you are going to have to settle for "fuckoff and die" |
| 04:37.26 | scenestar | "in a fire" |
| 04:37.27 | doesnothelp | who likes Debbie does Dallas |
| 04:37.51 | PiousMinion | scenestar: You're funny. I like you. |
| 04:38.00 | doesnothelp | Prahu Oca Srbije |
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| 04:38.18 | PiousMinion | hmm, spam much? |
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| 04:38.35 | liable | !ops doesnothelp pasting dutch story |
| 04:38.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: doesnothelp pasting dutch story |
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| 04:38.57 | speeves | i think it is czech |
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| 04:39.04 | speeves | or polish |
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| 04:39.06 | liable | ya |
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| 04:39.10 | httped | wtf? |
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| 04:39.11 | httped | +k |
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| 04:39.13 | stoned | whoch |
| 04:39.14 | stoned | wtf |
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| 04:39.21 | liable | wasnt sure, as long as it gets banned soon |
| 04:39.21 | Supaplex | wtf |
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| 04:39.29 | Supaplex | !tell doesnothelp -about flood |
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| 04:39.33 | Supaplex | !ops doesnothelp is flooding |
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| 04:39.51 | doesnothelp | Knez Rade, brat vladike Danila |
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| 04:40.00 | httped | it is a bot |
| 04:40.01 | doesnothelp | Vojvoda Draลกko |
| 04:40.01 | liable | what a strange thing to do |
| 04:40.03 | doesnothelp | Vojvoda Milija |
| 04:40.05 | doesnothelp | Vojvoda Stanko (Ljub.) |
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| 04:40.08 | httped | lets dos the hell outta him |
| 04:40.09 | doesnothelp | Tomaลก Martinoviฤ |
| 04:40.09 | tvynr | This is... most peculiar... |
| 04:40.09 | httped | haha |
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| 04:40.16 | PiousMinion | Doesnothelp: Is this your triangulated family tree? |
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| 04:40.35 | doesnothelp | Hadลพi-Ali Medoviฤ, kadija |
| 04:40.36 | stoned | someone has to be awake |
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| 04:40.43 | doesnothelp | Kavazbaลกa Ferat Zaฤir |
| 04:40.45 | doesnothelp | Ridลพal Osman |
| 04:40.47 | doesnothelp | Jedna baba |
| 04:40.49 | stoned | !ops wake up ! doesnothelp is flooding |
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| 04:40.49 | liable | doesn't appear so |
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| 04:40.55 | doesnothelp | Skupลกtina uoฤi Trojiฤina dne na Lovฤenu |
| 04:40.56 | stoned | wake up damn you |
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| 04:41.07 | tvynr | yaaaaay! |
| 04:41.09 | stoned | thank you sir |
| 04:41.28 | scrillaz | indeed |
| 04:41.55 | cafuego | scenestar: wtf is it with these monkeys today. they're mis-timing the weekend. |
| 04:42.04 | stoned | lol |
| 04:42.09 | mike_ | huh |
| 04:42.17 | GreaseMonkey | hmm, doesnothelp looks like a targeted bot |
| 04:42.32 | stoned | GreaseMonkey: you have grease on you |
| 04:42.42 | GreaseMonkey | wait, it's chatzilla |
| 04:43.03 | k-os | is there a pppoeconf or pppoe-setup script available in Debian, from the installation DVD? |
| 04:43.05 | Supaplex | stoned: and your crackpipe is busted! |
| 04:43.12 | Supaplex | wait. ;) |
| 04:43.30 | liable | k-os: there is a package, dunno if its on the first dvd |
| 04:43.38 | liable | would imagine so though |
| 04:43.40 | nvz | is it just me or was that person pasting a russian phone book in here? |
| 04:43.49 | stoned | im getting bitched at |
| 04:43.55 | Supaplex | it's greek to me |
| 04:43.58 | k-os | liable: i just can't run "sudo pppoeconf" ? |
| 04:44.11 | liable | k-os: if its installed |
| 04:44.11 | stoned | I just got chewed out man |
| 04:44.14 | mike_ | stoned: You married or paranoid hehe |
| 04:44.28 | stoned | I wish I was married |
| 04:44.36 | stoned | soon... |
| 04:44.39 | mike_ | huh!! |
| 04:44.55 | mike_ | Stayoff the cabbage dood |
| 04:44.57 | stoned | yeh I'm not like typical western guys who think marriage is a pain in the ass |
| 04:45.13 | stoned | its a delight to be married to women from my culture |
| 04:45.15 | stoned | :D |
| 04:45.33 | PiousMinion | stoned: What culture would that be if you don't mind me asking? |
| 04:45.45 | stoned | Why would I mind you asking? |
| 04:45.50 | mike_ | cmon |
| 04:45.58 | PiousMinion | stoned: Some people are weird like that. |
| 04:46.01 | mike_ | ok Can we guess |
| 04:46.21 | stoned | PiousMinion: are you implying that I'm weird? or that I might be weird? |
| 04:46.48 | mike_ | dpkg-Ifigure stoner=Indian |
| 04:46.56 | PiousMinion | stoned: That you might. Based solely on the fact that I know nothing about you. |
| 04:46.56 | n3kl__ | Is there any way to highlight logs that a are printed to the console? |
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| 04:47.41 | scenestar | stoned |
| 04:47.44 | scenestar | dont you like |
| 04:47.44 | stoned | yo |
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| 04:47.49 | scenestar | get appointed a hot wife |
| 04:47.50 | scenestar | and hten |
| 04:47.56 | scenestar | have her do cooking and cleaning and shit |
| 04:47.58 | stoned | !enter |
| 04:47.59 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying, and scrolls our windows extraneously. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. We'll be more inclined to help you if you are considerate! |
| 04:47.59 | scenestar | for the rest of your life |
| 04:48.34 | tvynr | I'm having rather a lot of difficulty with chrooting lately. |
| 04:48.54 | PiousMinion | stoned: Although I don't know what culture you and the others are reffering to it's starting to sound very positive. |
| 04:49.04 | mike_ | If you murder your wife you get 7yrs if you don't you get life hehe |
| 04:49.12 | tvynr | ... |
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| 04:49.36 | litage_ | why would this nullmailer message have the priority "err"?: nullmailer[17486]: smtp: Succeeded: 250 Ok: queued as 1DA407EAC |
| 04:49.41 | stoned | mike_: then don't get married |
| 04:49.45 | k-os | liable: ok, if i install the basic system, do you think it will give me some sort of pppoe-setup options? |
| 04:49.55 | mike_ | stoned: exactly |
| 04:49.55 | tvynr | I just recently reinstalled my box in a desperate attempt to fix whatever was wrong with it and the problem does not seem to have gone away. chroot is working, but schroot and fakechroot are both broken. |
| 04:50.11 | mike_ | damn |
| 04:50.22 | stoned | tvynr: check the bts related to those packages |
| 04:50.31 | liable | k-os: you need to explicitly install the pppoeconf package |
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| 04:51.07 | tvynr | stoned: Did that earlier today before I wound up reinstalling my system; didn't find anything. Things are now worse than they were before (problems with nvidia quite probably unrelated to all of this) and still no progress on the chrooting. |
| 04:51.11 | k-os | liable: ok, i better go for the full install. i need pppoeconf to get the net, so i wont get that package without net i guess |
| 04:51.38 | liable | k-os: you can install it after installing base. no problem |
| 04:51.49 | k-os | without internet? |
| 04:52.11 | liable | k-os: if its on whatever install media you have, sure |
| 04:52.22 | k-os | how can i check that before i install? |
| 04:53.04 | liable | !cd contents |
| 04:53.04 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 04:53.11 | hark | k-os: the installer has the option for it. check the install guide |
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| 04:53.22 | tvynr | Anyone have any idea what "ld.so: object 'libfakechroot.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored" indicates? |
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| 04:54.52 | killown | ops |
| 04:54.52 | killown | sorry |
| 04:54.56 | liable | no thanks |
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| 04:58.16 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 04:58.16 | dpkg | i guess qotd163 is <Shadowwulf> note to self - note to learn the difference between 8 megs and 8 gig <Shadowwulf> i musta somehow thought i could install debian on 8 meg |
| 04:58.35 | tvynr | I'm on a fresh Lenny install and fakechroot doesn't work in any way, shape, or form. Neither does schroot. This is, of course, getting rather frustrating. Does anyone know of any resources I can use or any people with whom I can speak in an effort to get my computer back into the state of working it was in a week or so ago? |
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| 05:00.45 | endra | hey |
| 05:00.54 | endra | say i wanted the configure line that php5 package uses, how can i get it |
| 05:02.20 | liable | endra: from the source package, in the debian/rules file |
| 05:02.41 | hark | /msg dpkg debian/rules |
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| 05:04.23 | endra | thank you |
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| 05:06.46 | k-os | where can i read the contents of the basic installation cd? |
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| 05:07.26 | liable | k-os: scroll up, to where i did the cd contents factoid |
| 05:07.42 | endra | wait, what? |
| 05:07.51 | endra | I got hte source package, but I dont see debian/rules |
| 05:08.05 | hark | k-os: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds05.html.en |
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| 05:08.25 | k-os | thanks |
| 05:08.25 | liable | endra: the *debian* source? |
| 05:08.32 | endra | liable: yes, from debian.org |
| 05:08.42 | endra | http://packages.debian.org/stable/source/php5 |
| 05:08.48 | hark | k-os: http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE |
| 05:08.51 | liable | endra: its should have a debian dir, and a rules file inside it |
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| 05:09.19 | k-os | thanks a lot |
| 05:09.24 | Old_Fogie | Woohoo! I found out my answer to my question of how to search installed packages by category, using "ara" |
| 05:09.33 | liable | endra: thats a meta package |
| 05:09.35 | k-os | this wont work if i install from the basics cd? |
| 05:09.56 | endra | liable: oh, so where do i get the source from? |
| 05:10.08 | hark | k-os: what basics cd? |
| 05:10.10 | liable | endra: whatever packages that package pulls in |
| 05:10.30 | endra | liable: oh. |
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| 05:10.59 | k-os | hark: i guess there is an image that has the basic foundation, no x or something like that? |
| 05:11.05 | liable | endra: php5-common is prolly what you are after |
| 05:11.11 | k-os | maybe i am talking about net install? |
| 05:11.34 | endra | liable: yea, but no php5-common source |
| 05:11.45 | hark | k-os: yes, will work for it |
| 05:12.22 | speeves | endra: what about apt-get source php5? |
| 05:12.51 | endra | speeves: you mean php5-common? |
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| 05:13.34 | endra | !sources.list |
| 05:13.34 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 05:13.35 | speeves | php5 (im guessing) will build all of the associated deb packages (including php5-common) |
| 05:13.45 | xerophyte | Does anybody know how can start xterm with big font and specific font size in gnome when i start from run box , i have mad a alias xterm with -font and geometry option but it only works in another xterm not in the gnome run box .. does anybody have any way other making another shell script to call xterm with those parameters |
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| 05:15.29 | liable | endra: apt-get source php5 will give you what you want |
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| 05:15.49 | endra | liable: but i dont want it to install it |
| 05:16.10 | hark | you won't be |
| 05:16.28 | endra | ok, thank you |
| 05:16.32 | endra | where does the source end up? |
| 05:16.34 | liable | it just downloads the source |
| 05:16.45 | liable | in whatever dir you ran the command from |
| 05:16.48 | endra | ls |
| 05:16.48 | speeves | endra: into your current dir |
| 05:16.50 | endra | whoops, thx |
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| 05:20.15 | mike_ | Tried to install printer,,Sidux locked up and now will not reboot |
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| 05:21.08 | endra | this rules files.. I can run it and it will configure php the way it usually does? |
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| 05:22.25 | speeves | endra: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
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| 05:22.31 | speeves | sections 6.13+ |
| 05:22.36 | speeves | night y'all |
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| 05:23.34 | ColdFyre | * You have been invited to #mIRCSetUp by corka (irc.SHOUTcast.com) does anyone else get that daily? |
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| 05:24.44 | ricky | Nope. - is it the same user each time? |
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| 05:25.24 | endra | speeves: yes, but i want the latest php with the same settings as this one, which is why i was wondering if i copy over the rules file and run it, if it will configure it the same way, i basicly just need the configuration of php |
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| 05:28.08 | liable | xorg-dev |
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| 05:28.30 | jair | xenix? |
| 05:29.04 | PiousMinion | liable: thanks |
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| 05:42.51 | nanotube | every time I reboot server, my network interface increases by one:-)) from eth5 I get eth6 and os on.... any idea what it can be...thanks |
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| 05:44.02 | shingouz | eugh... on windows and this is even xp. makes me shiver but no choice for now |
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| 05:45.13 | liable | blame udev |
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| 05:45.55 | liable | nanotube: i recall someone having a similar issue with a network card that bizzarely decided to change its mac address all the time |
| 05:45.56 | shingouz | anyways, hints on how to enable a pccard modem on a custom 2.6.17? works nicely with older kernels but now it does not give me /dev/ttyS2, only a barf about "2.6 kernels use pcmciamtd instead of memory_cs and do not require special MTD handling" |
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| 05:46.57 | liable | nanotube: have a look in the persistent-net.rules file in /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
| 05:47.12 | Old_Fogie | heh liable beat me to it! |
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| 05:47.38 | jair | shingouz: how can i partition a second drive in debian etch stable? |
| 05:47.40 | quitte | shingouz: are you sure those messages are related? |
| 05:47.41 | shingouz | the card in question is a psion godl card with a 56 modem and 10 base T |
| 05:47.42 | Old_Fogie | i got two network cards so I get issues on that, and like liable said nanotube, that'll do it for ya. |
| 05:47.58 | jair | shingouz: I already run "cfdisk /dev/sda" |
| 05:48.06 | shingouz | jair, as root? |
| 05:48.12 | jair | shingouz: yes |
| 05:48.13 | shingouz | quitte, nope |
| 05:48.20 | shingouz | jair, and not working? |
| 05:48.40 | shingouz | jair, wait? second hd? that would be hdb |
| 05:48.48 | jair | shingouz: it is working but from the option "L" or list of FS I can not see which one is the "XFS" one :( |
| 05:48.49 | shingouz | um. sdb |
| 05:48.56 | quitte | shingouz: ok s they are probably not. mtd are to access ram,rom or flash chips |
| 05:49.24 | jair | shingouz: it is a sata drive |
| 05:49.26 | shingouz | quitte, that is what i think too but that is the only barf i get and it does not install the modules at all |
| 05:49.28 | jair | I have ide and sata |
| 05:49.32 | shingouz | jair, sdb in that case |
| 05:49.41 | jair | I have only one sata |
| 05:49.48 | shingouz | or sda... not sure how many physical drives you have there |
| 05:49.57 | jair | I have this: hda, hdb, sda |
| 05:50.05 | jair | haha :) |
| 05:50.40 | jair | anyway, so if I do the cfdisk or fdisk "/dev/sda" I can get the menu to configure it |
| 05:50.46 | shingouz | k.. |
| 05:50.54 | jair | but I want to select XFS instead ext3 or resiser fs |
| 05:51.11 | quitte | shingouz: does the ethernet part of it work? |
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| 05:51.40 | quitte | shingouz: also i'd try a debian kernel. i'd assume you just forgot some kernel option |
| 05:52.00 | nanotube | liable: thanks... how dod you know? :-)) |
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| 05:52.27 | jair | shingouz: which one here is XFS? http://rafb.net/p/jGqUvF65.html |
| 05:52.33 | shingouz | quitte, the card is completely dead at the moment. cardctl ident tells me it is a psion eth/modem card but nothing shows in /proc |
| 05:52.45 | shingouz | jair, sec, takes a while, i am on a modem |
| 05:53.06 | jair | hshs |
| 05:53.08 | jair | haha |
| 05:53.10 | jair | all right |
| 05:53.23 | jair | hey by the way i can not see JFS either :( |
| 05:53.54 | shingouz | quitte, even that is possible but i cannot get rfmon to work on debian kernels for orinocos. kismet likes rfmon |
| 05:53.56 | jair | old minix? |
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| 05:54.13 | quitte | shingouz: the way pcmcia hot plug&play works changed. pcmcia hot plug and play is handled by udev,too now. |
| 05:54.16 | shingouz | jair, you can only see linux |
| 05:54.30 | jair | I did paste this: http://rafb.net/p/jGqUvF65.html |
| 05:54.36 | jair | shingouz: that is what i see |
| 05:54.38 | shingouz | quitte, how can i easily check for udev on the laptop? |
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| 05:55.25 | pidator | when setting up samba users I run into erro "failed to modify password ntry for user josh" when using the command sudo smbpasswd -L -a josh |
| 05:55.25 | quitte | shingouz: is udevd running? |
| 05:55.25 | liable | nanotube: udev seems to like messing with network cards for some reason |
| 05:55.29 | shingouz | quitte, negative udev here |
| 05:55.46 | quitte | shingouz: hmm. 2.6.17. is that sarge? |
| 05:56.29 | shingouz | quitte, this is actually something that has been on three laptops already and been trasferred a few times to newer boxen. sources point to sid |
| 05:56.44 | jair | shingouz: I think that the option is (83) |
| 05:56.55 | shingouz | jair, yes |
| 05:57.01 | quitte | shingouz: why are you using this old kernel? |
| 05:57.30 | quitte | shingouz: also did you upgrade regularly, oris this some ancient sid? |
| 05:57.37 | shingouz | quitte, because i cannot get the rfmon to work on anything newer at the moment. trust me i have tried >) |
| 05:57.43 | pidator | man you guys have ghetto-as-fuck websie |
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| 05:58.16 | shingouz | quitte, last upgrade about two weeks ago just before i flew to bangkok. i have a 10mb connection home and this is only a modem i can use here |
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| 05:58.45 | quitte | shingouz: ok. i'd try installing udev from lenny then |
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| 05:59.16 | shingouz | quitte, nice idea but i cannot get online with the box to install anything |
| 05:59.36 | quitte | shingouz: it'S probably a problem that no hotplug script is registered in the kernel to load the modules |
| 06:00.01 | quitte | shingouz: no way of transferring data to it? like an usb stick? |
| 06:00.16 | shingouz | quitte, true.... ideas on how to figure out which modules i should look at? |
| 06:00.54 | quitte | shingouz: the pccia-utils always had a list of card to module mapping in /etc |
| 06:01.05 | shingouz | quitte, mmm... problem is that i cannot get the packages onto any computer in any reasonable amount of time now. my connection to the outside world is a bit... slow |
| 06:01.18 | shingouz | quitte, k, i will look at that |
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| 06:01.38 | quitte | shingouz: udev is rather small |
| 06:02.02 | quitte | Size: 263416 |
| 06:02.34 | shingouz | quitte, when i get this bloody thing connected somehow i will apt-get it in. needs to be dine in anycase so why the hell not now |
| 06:02.42 | shingouz | s/dine/done/ |
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| 06:03.05 | quitte | shingouz: is that 16 or 32bit pcmcia? |
| 06:03.09 | shingouz | 16 |
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| 06:06.32 | mo1991 | using exim4 with smtp_auth and tls setup correctly - I can log in via evolution using TLS as encrption but not using ssl as encryption - |
| 06:07.00 | mo1991 | can someone explain this to me - I need to connect via my ssl encryption mobile phone and it doesn't have a tls option |
| 06:07.10 | mo1991 | I am listening on both 25 and 465 |
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| 06:09.04 | gat-man | hi |
| 06:09.18 | gat-man | does anyone here know about kiba-dock? |
| 06:09.32 | shingouz | grrr... one more custom kernel. this time with smc92c91 enabled. i wonder how the fsck i missed that when configuring the kernel. and serial_cs gives me ttyS2 as it should. thanks quitte |
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| 06:10.27 | jair | shingouz: by the way i got the way of creating the XFS and JFS file systems on Linux ;) |
| 06:10.30 | jair | Thank you anyway |
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| 06:11.48 | shingouz | jair: excellent |
| 06:11.49 | jair | just so other newbies know: 1) select the code (83) on the cfdisk or fdisk program to pation it, then ring the commands => mkfs.xfs -f /dev/hda or sda :) |
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| 06:12.29 | shingouz | strange, config.gz in proc shows that i have the smc92c91 as a module as i should but modprobe fails to find it |
| 06:12.40 | jair | and for JFS, jfs_mkfs -c /dev/hda or sda |
| 06:12.42 | jair | :) |
| 06:12.47 | jair | enjoy it |
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| 06:13.26 | ironfroggy | anyone here know how to write an init.d script? |
| 06:13.55 | Hansel | ironfroggy - just throw extra stuff in /etc/init.d/rc.local |
| 06:14.02 | Hansel | easiest way and wont disrupt the boot process |
| 06:14.36 | ironfroggy | i have no rc.local |
| 06:14.37 | shingouz | ironfroggy: check the init.d directory, you should have a template there. after that use update-init.d |
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| 06:15.19 | simonrvn | shingouz: depmod -Aa |
| 06:15.22 | shingouz | ironfroggy: and do not do init scripts uless you *really* have to, borkage vrey likely |
| 06:15.25 | simonrvn | shingouz: then try again |
| 06:15.51 | shingouz | simonrvn: ty. man depmod first because i do not remember what A does |
| 06:15.59 | ironfroggy | im just wanting to get my svnserve process running |
| 06:16.21 | Ace_NoOne | I'm struggling with making find & grep do what I need, so maybe someone here can help me: how can I, via the shell, quickly replace all occurrences of "?>\s+$" with "?>" in .php files (recursively in all subdirs) |
| 06:16.47 | simonrvn | Ace_NoOne: rpl |
| 06:17.00 | Ace_NoOne | simonrvn: sorry? |
| 06:17.02 | simonrvn | with grep you won't replace anything |
| 06:17.18 | Ace_NoOne | well, I was trying to find the occurrences with grep |
| 06:17.26 | Ace_NoOne | but that didn't work either |
| 06:17.26 | ironfroggy | i dont see any templates |
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| 06:18.02 | Hansel | you'll need to use a massive combo of sed/awk with cat and grep probably heh. |
| 06:18.04 | Hansel | just use rpl |
| 06:18.11 | Ace_NoOne | I'll try |
| 06:18.31 | Hansel | too much piping to tinker with when there is a util for it. |
| 06:18.47 | Hansel | ironfroggy - locate rc.local |
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| 06:19.01 | ironfroggy | nothing comes up |
| 06:19.06 | Hansel | ironfroggy, - http://www.linux.com/articles/46892 |
| 06:19.12 | simonrvn | Ace_NoOne: apt-get it |
| 06:19.22 | Ace_NoOne | simonrvn: I can't - no rights |
| 06:19.26 | simonrvn | has a no-do option, -s too |
| 06:19.32 | Ace_NoOne | there is a replace command tho |
| 06:19.39 | simonrvn | that'll do |
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| 06:19.46 | Ace_NoOne | reading up on that right now |
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| 06:20.09 | shingouz | simonrvn: no luck. the smc91c92 should be in modules/kernelversion/kernel/drivers/pcmcia if i am not quite mistaken. it is not there even if /proc/config.gz shows it as a module |
| 06:20.12 | simonrvn | i like rpl better 'cause it's quicker on many files |
| 06:20.38 | simonrvn | shingouz: :/ |
| 06:21.32 | shingouz | wtf? drivers/net/pcmcia shows it? not want to modprobe even after the depmod... strange. hammer, anyone? |
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| 06:22.21 | shingouz | eh. i definitely need caffine. smc91c92_c |
| 06:22.32 | Ace_NoOne | simonrvn: could you help me out? I don't quite understand the "from to from to" part |
| 06:22.32 | simonrvn | sledge* |
| 06:22.37 | shingouz | thanks :) |
| 06:22.50 | simonrvn | 's,from,to,' |
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| 06:24.22 | Ace_NoOne | simonrvn: replace -v 's,\?>\s+$,\?>' didn't work |
| 06:24.43 | simonrvn | check your syntax |
| 06:24.50 | Ace_NoOne | simonrvn: I'm not sure what for |
| 06:24.58 | simonrvn | missing comma |
| 06:25.03 | Ace_NoOne | ohh |
| 06:25.06 | Ace_NoOne | thanks |
| 06:25.10 | simonrvn | :) |
| 06:25.48 | Ace_NoOne | simonrvn: replace -v 's,\?>\s+$,\?>,' didn't work either I'm afraid "replace: No to-string for last from-string" |
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| 06:26.19 | simonrvn | i probably gave you the wrong syntax... lemme check |
| 06:26.38 | Ace_NoOne | it's this "from to from to" that I don't get |
| 06:27.57 | simonrvn | oh silly me, just from to, so something like '\?>\s+$' '\?>' |
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| 06:28.30 | Hansel | shingouz, wireless network card problems? |
| 06:28.37 | shingouz | looks like i will hack into some configs later today to get the modules installed when i plug in the card, not a problem now that i know where the problem is. the next problem will be to try to clean up a very yucky IBM 9103 tablet that i found at Zeer yesterday |
| 06:28.46 | shingouz | Hansel: no, why? |
| 06:29.00 | Hansel | just wondering... it seems to be the only thing in Linux I can never get to work right... |
| 06:29.01 | simonrvn | tablet eh? neat |
| 06:29.34 | simonrvn | considering that most are closed source crappies, not surprising |
| 06:29.36 | shingouz | simonrvn: yup. and it looks like it has a gunze sangyo ahl-51 screen so it should be supported since 2.6.11 iirc |
| 06:29.39 | Ace_NoOne | simonrvn: replace -v '\?>\s+$' '\?>' doesn't do anything (looks like it's waiting for more input) |
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| 06:30.08 | shingouz | Hansel: just get a card that actually has linux drivers and ditch all the ndiswrapper crap |
| 06:30.12 | simonrvn | you need the file(s) as an argument... man replace |
| 06:30.31 | Hansel | shingouz - seriously... i keep trying to use the onboard ones and they are totally ghey. |
| 06:30.32 | simonrvn | this is where you'd use find and xargs |
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| 06:31.00 | Hansel | I did get a dlink card that is supposedly supported via madwifi-ng... cant get it to work though (think the internal card is interfering mebbe?) |
| 06:31.04 | shingouz | Hansel: and the onboard things are? most of them work. not all but most |
| 06:31.18 | shingouz | Hansel: type? |
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| 06:31.34 | Ace_NoOne | simonrvn: I'd tried that, but always get "No to-string for last from-string" |
| 06:31.34 | Hansel | shinouz - dont recall anymore... havent messed with it in about 2 weeks. I temporarily gave up on it hehe. |
| 06:31.40 | Ace_NoOne | sorry for being a moron here |
| 06:31.41 | Hansel | the dlink is WNA-1330 |
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| 06:31.46 | simonrvn | crap what am i still doing awake? *sigh* |
| 06:31.54 | Ace_NoOne | hehe |
| 06:32.03 | simonrvn | it's ok, it's pretty dumb... |
| 06:32.08 | shingouz | simonrvn: a bit more bragging: industrial version sold in asia only in very limited quantities :) |
| 06:32.13 | simonrvn | i have to get up earlier than usual |
| 06:32.18 | simonrvn | heh |
| 06:33.07 | ironfroggy | http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/5296 |
| 06:33.13 | ironfroggy | What might be wrong with that? |
| 06:33.17 | shingouz | ...paid a whopping 1kbaht for it including the stylus, power adapter and two batteries that work.... woooo |
| 06:33.33 | ironfroggy | i am getting " option requires an argument -- d" |
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| 06:34.32 | simonrvn | good night, good luck, and have fun boyz and grrls |
| 06:34.44 | shingouz | sleep tight simonrvn |
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| 06:34.54 | simonrvn | wela'lin |
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| 06:37.08 | Supaplex | I have "client vh" in interfaces(5), but dhcpdump shows no indication of a client id in the request. I'm using dhcp3-client. What should I look into? |
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| 06:40.05 | sep | Supaplex, man page say Client identifier (dhcpcd, udhcpc) i assume that means you should use one of those 2 clients and not dhcp3-cleint |
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| 06:46.35 | Supaplex | nope. looks current. weird symlink of dhclient |
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| 06:54.22 | rahul | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:54.57 | shingouz | rahul: too much coffee for you today |
| 06:55.02 | rahul | no |
| 06:55.04 | rahul | no coffe |
| 06:55.05 | rahul | e |
| 06:55.09 | rahul | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 |
| 06:55.10 | dpkg | 1 |
| 06:55.22 | rahul | !2 |
| 06:55.22 | dpkg | It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL. |
| 06:55.34 | rahul | dpkg: you're a strange fella |
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| 06:59.31 | k-os | ok, so i installed with the ppp-udeb setup, how do i make it start after the installation? |
| 06:59.54 | k-os | i need to know how i start the pppoe connection |
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| 07:02.42 | wols | Konky: try pppoeconf |
| 07:03.04 | liable | k-os: if you used pppoeconf, you should be able to start it with pon |
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| 07:03.31 | k-os | pon dsl-provider? |
| 07:03.52 | liable | yes, thats the usual name for it iirc |
| 07:04.05 | liable | default |
| 07:04.20 | liable | just pon should run it anyway |
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| 07:05.03 | samesame | i didnt realise ALL the debian codenames were taken from toy story |
| 07:05.05 | samesame | Etch (Etch-a-Sketch) was the blackboard |
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| 07:05.19 | samesame | what was lenny in toystory? |
| 07:05.23 | samesame | *who |
| 07:05.34 | quitte | goggles iirc |
| 07:06.21 | samesame | Sarge was a leader of the Green Plastic Army Men |
| 07:06.45 | fireba11 | "lenny the binoculars" |
| 07:07.00 | quitte | ah, yes thats the word i was looking for |
| 07:07.44 | samesame | Woody was the cowboy |
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| 07:07.44 | quitte | samesame: please don't tell us all characters/releases or do it in a single line |
| 07:07.44 | k-os | will there be Debian Buzz? |
| 07:07.44 | quitte | k-os: there already was |
| 07:07.50 | k-os | cool |
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| 07:08.31 | samesame | there already was |
| 07:08.49 | samesame | "Buzz" for release 1.1 |
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| 07:11.24 | sawii | can anyone connect to http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 07:11.41 | k-os | liable: writing just pon did not work |
| 07:11.46 | k-os | and pppoeconf is not found |
| 07:11.53 | k-os | neither is ppoe-setup |
| 07:12.03 | samesame | i can sawii |
| 07:12.30 | liable | k-os: it wont work if you havent run pppoeconf.. |
| 07:12.48 | Matt4781581 | can someone tell me what $? means in a script |
| 07:12.52 | k-os | pppoeconf, that is not fond, no such thing.. |
| 07:12.55 | sawii | samesame: hmm, i see, it works in firefox but not opera |
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| 07:13.28 | k-os | liable: pppoeconf: command not found |
| 07:13.41 | liable | k-os: then you need to install it. |
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| 07:13.56 | k-os | how can i without internet? |
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| 07:15.55 | k-os | liable: nvm, it was on the cd |
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| 07:17.19 | samesame | what is fakeroot? why do u need a fakeroot? |
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| 07:19.01 | shingouz | samesame: when compiling kernels? |
| 07:19.43 | samesame | whats wrong with a real root? |
| 07:20.20 | shingouz | samesame: because if you cmopile stuff as root you may clobber something by accident. it has happened on some kernels before |
| 07:20.44 | samesame | ok |
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| 07:20.50 | shingouz | samesame: with fakeroot you can compile as a normal user, you just install the new kernel as root when the package is done |
| 07:21.06 | Halleck | Is there still a way to access package repositories for sarge from apt? |
| 07:21.27 | shingouz | Halleck: point your sources to sarge |
| 07:21.39 | Halleck | shingouz: so replace "stable" |
| 07:21.50 | Halleck | with "sarge" in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 07:22.04 | shingouz | Halleck: in that case it will result in some borkage if you already are running stable |
| 07:22.26 | Matt4781581 | can someone tell me what $? means in a script |
| 07:22.40 | shingouz | but,yes in theory you can do it... Halleck |
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| 07:23.49 | Halleck | shingouz: I'm running sarge on this box, which was stable at the time I installed it. Now when I try to install pretty much anything with aptitude, it tells me it will remove my kernel image |
| 07:23.51 | wols | Matt4781581: denotes variables ususally |
| 07:24.06 | wols | Halleck: stable chas changed |
| 07:24.13 | wols | it's not sarge anymore but etch |
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| 07:24.22 | samesame | sarge is now in old archive |
| 07:24.27 | Halleck | wols: Yeah I know, this is a stopgap pretty much while I phase in my new etch box |
| 07:24.31 | shingouz | Halleck: does it want to install a new kernel too? |
| 07:24.40 | wols | either edit your sources.list to contain "sarge" instead of "stable" OR you upgrade to etch |
| 07:24.46 | wols | !sarge->etch |
| 07:24.46 | dpkg | well, sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
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| 07:25.19 | Halleck | wols: Thanks. I think I'll skip the upgrade right now as I'm planning to shelf this machine in a month or two |
| 07:26.07 | shingouz | Halleck: DCC send the computer to me, i can always use new toys :p |
| 07:26.12 | Halleck | shingouz: doesn't look like it's trying to install a new kernel |
| 07:26.43 | wols | shingouz: I helped him. It's mine, mine all MINE. |
| 07:26.49 | wols | ...maybe the computer has a pony on it? |
| 07:26.57 | shingouz | Halleck: unless you really need to upgrade/update some package and you really are going to shelf it soon, just let the old dog sleep |
| 07:27.07 | shingouz | wols: bah :p |
| 07:27.37 | Halleck | Haha... sorry fellas but this is gonna be my project box once I get my new etch server in place |
| 07:27.48 | Halleck | might take the time to upgrade it then |
| 07:28.08 | shingouz | Halleck: project boxen are a Good Thing |
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| 07:28.35 | Halleck | plus you really really don't want it... pentium 2 :) |
| 07:28.56 | shingouz | Halleck: i have sid on a 486... |
| 07:29.19 | samesame | one day id like to become a junior linux administrator and im thinking about using fedora core instead of debian, would having fc experience prove a advantage to me in this line of work? |
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| 07:29.56 | shingouz | samesame: yes i think so i fyou really want to be immersed in rpm hell |
| 07:30.11 | samesame | i dont want to no |
| 07:30.35 | fireba11 | haha |
| 07:30.50 | Halleck | RPM = evil |
| 07:30.59 | samesame | ive heard many people say the same thing |
| 07:31.33 | shingouz | maybe there is some truth in it |
| 07:32.17 | Halleck | but I think you might find more red hat systems in situations where you would be paid to administer them- doesn't hurt to be familiar with them |
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| 07:32.40 | shingouz | hear hear |
| 07:32.47 | samesame | RPMS are a dependancy hell? |
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| 07:33.52 | streuner | samesame: we help with Debian issues, keep that in mind... |
| 07:34.05 | shingouz | pity the carriers have such draconian rules about luggage. i would so like to take home another toy, an old IBM AS/400 that should be able to run linux. the frigging thing sits at Zeer Rangsit and can be had cheap. weighs somewhere close to 200 pounds though |
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| 07:34.11 | shingouz | samesame: of course they are |
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| 07:34.29 | samesame | ok |
| 07:34.45 | slack101 | what is ncurses called in apt-get ? |
| 07:34.56 | streuner | libncurses or such |
| 07:35.02 | streuner | !find libncures |
| 07:35.20 | shingouz | !find libncurses |
| 07:35.22 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libncurses' (10): libncurses-ruby ;; libncurses-ruby1.8 ;; libncurses-ruby1.9 ;; libncurses4 ;; libncurses5 ;; libncurses5-dbg ;; libncurses5-dev ;; libncursesw5 ;; libncursesw5-dbg ;; libncursesw5-dev. |
| 07:35.59 | streuner | usually you need libncurses5, why? |
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| 07:36.22 | streuner | slack101: ^^^ |
| 07:36.24 | wols | streuner: kernel compile? |
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| 07:36.44 | wols | slack101: do you want to config a kernel? |
| 07:36.50 | streuner | wols: well, i would _guess_ the same, but life is more complicate ;-) |
| 07:36.51 | MangosDebian | he does |
| 07:36.56 | shingouz | libncurses5-dev in that case iirc |
| 07:36.57 | MangosDebian | libncurses5-dev |
| 07:37.09 | MangosDebian | slack101: how goes the battle? |
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| 07:37.23 | slack101 | MangosDebian, its a stuggle |
| 07:37.27 | slack101 | http://phpfi.com/245781 |
| 07:37.32 | slack101 | any idea here anyone ? |
| 07:37.42 | slack101 | i thought i was missing ncurses but i have it installed |
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| 07:37.55 | MangosDebian | libncurses we just mnentioned |
| 07:38.14 | shingouz | slack101: cut me some slcak here, i am sitting on a modem so it takes time |
| 07:38.25 | samesame | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/ncurses |
| 07:38.40 | shingouz | slack101: libncurses5-dev |
| 07:38.43 | MangosDebian | slack101: apt-get install libncurses5-dev yet? |
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| 07:39.32 | slack101 | oops sorry |
| 07:39.37 | slack101 | forgot in debian they seperate |
| 07:39.42 | slack101 | in slackware its all the same |
| 07:40.17 | streuner | !b-e slack101 |
| 07:40.17 | dpkg | slack101: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 07:40.27 | slack101 | i have that already |
| 07:40.30 | slack101 | ;) |
| 07:40.40 | slack101 | didnt install dev of ncurses though |
| 07:40.50 | streuner | hm |
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| 07:41.13 | slack101 | wow this make menuconfig looks really friendly |
| 07:41.14 | slack101 | o man |
| 07:41.15 | slack101 | lol |
| 07:41.27 | metbsd | is there a way to turn an ide hard drive into a usb hard drive? |
| 07:41.50 | streuner | Why do you think you need that? |
| 07:41.50 | shingouz | metbsd: yes, get a usb-ide converter from the store |
| 07:41.51 | Supaplex | metbsd: external usb hdd adapter. yes. |
| 07:42.00 | slack101 | they make things you can buy to turn your dive into a ide to a usb |
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| 07:42.14 | slack101 | i got one ;) |
| 07:42.27 | metbsd | shingouz, how much would it cost? |
| 07:42.41 | slack101 | holy crap theres so much stuffff in the make menufocnfig wow |
| 07:42.44 | slack101 | << 12.99 |
| 07:42.52 | shingouz | metbsd: no idea, i saw some yesterday for about 200 baht here |
| 07:42.52 | Halleck | Perfect... aptitude no longer tries to delete my kernel image |
| 07:43.00 | metbsd | 200 what? |
| 07:43.03 | metbsd | baht? |
| 07:43.09 | shingouz | baht |
| 07:43.12 | streuner | slack101: what reason do you have to get more headaches (compile kernels)? |
| 07:43.20 | samesame | what model laptop have u installed debian onto? |
| 07:43.37 | slack101 | streuner, its required here |
| 07:43.38 | shingouz | samesame: is this a trick question? |
| 07:43.45 | samesame | no |
| 07:43.52 | MangosDebian | slack101: it looks friends, til it starts kicking your ass over the course of 3 or 4 hours of hard core tuning :) |
| 07:44.23 | shingouz | samesame: several thinkpads |
| 07:44.29 | samesame | ok |
| 07:44.36 | slack101 | MangosDebian, do i need to even do anything ? |
| 07:44.47 | samesame | i do like the look of the thinkpad x60, cute, small and sexy |
| 07:44.50 | slack101 | MangosDebian, or is it pretty much configured for what i need ? |
| 07:45.07 | slack101 | thinkpad lost thier quality with lenovo or w/e bought them |
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| 07:45.14 | shingouz | slack101: yes you do. go through everything and make the kernel just so for your system. takes a few tries and a lot of caffeine |
| 07:45.27 | slack101 | o dammit lol |
| 07:45.32 | MangosDebian | slack101: depends |
| 07:45.40 | Halleck | thanks all |
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| 07:45.44 | shingouz | slack101: welcome to custom kernels |
| 07:45.48 | Supaplex | i perfer a known .config, and make oldconfig, then make menuconfig, then make-kpkg |
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| 07:46.21 | slack101 | i mean are the default options pretty much good for most people ? |
| 07:46.28 | shingouz | Supaplex: so do i but for the first custom it can take some time to get the exact config done |
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| 07:46.34 | Sleek | hello peeps |
| 07:46.37 | MangosDebian | slack101: first, load in your config from /boot. once thats loaded, you can pretty much compile, unless you need to add/remove something. but you should set your cpu and arch etc to your box |
| 07:46.46 | Sleek | I need help installing debian |
| 07:47.02 | slack101 | MangosDebian, you mean the config of the debian i am using now ? |
| 07:47.03 | streuner | slack101: did you read an HOWTO yet? |
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| 07:47.06 | slack101 | yes |
| 07:47.09 | shingouz | slack101: yes and no, depends on what you have. even depends on if you are going to use initrd or go with a kernel with the root fs static |
| 07:47.13 | MangosDebian | slack101: its a trade off, the time you spend removing stuff you will never use/own/etc you would spend compiling if you leave it in as a module |
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| 07:47.23 | Sleek | I have finished installing, but the kernel couldn't mount my root |
| 07:47.24 | streuner | well, you did read the wrong one :-) |
| 07:47.25 | MangosDebian | slack101: yes, use the working config and go from there |
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| 07:47.31 | Sleek | (/dev/hda3) |
| 07:47.33 | slack101 | ok |
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| 07:48.35 | MangosDebian | slack101: keep in mind, leaving all that stuff in is rather handy, especially if you dont know any better. sometimes the less obvious stuff like devices and firewall stuff can be accidently disabled. best to leave most stuff as modules |
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| 07:49.09 | streuner | slack101: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 07:49.18 | Sleek | :'( |
| 07:49.20 | slack101 | MangosDebian, i will just use the config my systtem is using now |
| 07:50.03 | MangosDebian | slack101: smart choice. compile that, reboot, test. if that goes good, keep the menu entry and redo it again with some tweaks |
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| 07:50.18 | streuner | slack101: Chapter: 2.2 What to install : 6. #libncurses5-dev |
| 07:50.32 | shingouz | how the fluck would i remove some waterbased stickers off a thinkpad, they do not react to isopropanol, ethanol or methanol. mechanical removal usually screws up the surface. grrr.... the things people do to their computers... and i have to buy them used when i see something exotic |
| 07:50.33 | MangosDebian | slack101: i strongly suggest you use make-kpkg though, or rather learn it, its the "debian way" |
| 07:51.02 | shingouz | slack101: make-kpkg definitely. helps when installing |
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| 07:53.13 | slack101 | i got a better idea |
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| 07:54.26 | liable | i am afraid to ask why you need to soak the screen bezel |
| 07:54.37 | Sleek | Lenny's kernel is compiled with ext3 as a module |
| 07:54.50 | Sleek | now I cant boot my ext3 / |
| 07:54.56 | Supaplex | liable: haha good call. :-D |
| 07:54.58 | shingouz | liable: because some moron has used these cutey flower stickers on it |
| 07:55.01 | liable | debian kernels are compiled with almost everything as modules |
| 07:55.16 | MangosDebian | Sleek: add the initrd to your boot loader |
| 07:55.27 | Sleek | ahh |
| 07:55.31 | Sleek | stupid installer |
| 07:55.44 | Sleek | let me try loading the initrd |
| 07:55.46 | slack101 | after i am done configuring it saves changed autoamtically right ? |
| 07:55.51 | liable | if you are going to compile a kernel, make sure your needed drivers are built in |
| 07:56.08 | shingouz | slack101: no, before you exit the menuconfig you need to save it |
| 07:56.09 | MangosDebian | slack101: it will ask you to save changes on exit |
| 07:56.25 | MangosDebian | shingouz: it asks you, it doesnt just quit |
| 07:56.32 | Sleek | any reason why the installer didnt put the initrd in grub's config ? |
| 07:56.56 | shingouz | MangosDebian: true but you still have to save it... not everyone reads waht the screen says |
| 07:57.01 | vook | bored and thought I'd share : for those who live at console, how to add some color to the output of everyday commands - create color file i.e.(/etc/colors/green) containing (with escape sequence) "^[[32;40m" , then create aliases within the shell, such as "alias ifconfig=cat /etc/colors/green && ifconfig" kinda cool ... |
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| 07:57.03 | slack101 | ok its making |
| 07:57.06 | liable | the actuall debian install didnt add the initrd to grub? |
| 07:57.08 | MangosDebian | shingouz: thats why the default is yes |
| 07:57.08 | Sleek | I'm an old slackware user.. returning to linux after a long time on windowsXP |
| 07:57.55 | slack101 | MangosDebian, basically since i am just upgrading my system with a neer version of linux vserver i jus used my old kernel vserver config .... pretty sure this should work |
| 07:57.56 | shingouz | MangosDebian: so very true. been using menuconfig too many times for the past four days |
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| 07:58.04 | MangosDebian | slack101: you just type make? or you using make-kpkg? you wont be able to boot if your dont build the initrd when you use the debian config since all the fs stuff is modules |
| 07:58.24 | slack101 | MangosDebian, i am just making it now |
| 07:58.32 | slack101 | i will make a new inirg.img too |
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| 07:59.03 | slack101 | its taking a while to make |
| 07:59.14 | MangosDebian | slack101: pizza and a beer |
| 07:59.40 | slack101 | Rice and Black Beans here :P |
| 07:59.57 | MangosDebian | nm... |
| 08:00.14 | shingouz | should be as the first include in the kernel source in anycase, #include <pizza_beer.h> |
| 08:00.16 | Sleek | there is no initrd.gz in /boot |
| 08:00.19 | Fedor_Emelianenk | hi, i am using fedora right now, when i "yum update", fedora every new package, even if it is not critical, like gnome-games... in debian is possible to download only the critical packages? |
| 08:00.21 | Sleek | where else might it be ? |
| 08:00.46 | shingouz | Fedor_Emelianenk: yes |
| 08:01.00 | MangosDebian | shingouz: :) |
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| 08:01.43 | Fedor_Emelianenk | shingouz: really? i've got fedora 7, it is pretty new (3 weeks ago)... i wrote "yum update" and there was 190mb to download |
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| 08:02.16 | MangosDebian | Fedor_Emelianenk: an apt-get update/upgrade only grabs stuff from security, there are no "new versions just because they are new" with debian. that distinction is done with stable/testing/unstable |
| 08:02.42 | Hedenberg | I cant get my wireless network up again. Specifying essid and mode in /etc/netowork/interfaces after that iface row. What more is needed? iwconfig shows eth2 as the wireless device. |
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| 08:02.49 | wols | Fedor_Emelianenk: unless a new version becomes stable of course. e.g. debian 3.1 went to 4.0 |
| 08:02.59 | Fedor_Emelianenk | i get it, thank you |
| 08:03.13 | Fedor_Emelianenk | =) |
| 08:03.14 | Sleek | oh well |
| 08:03.17 | shingouz | Hedenberg: your possible encryption, dhcp and others |
| 08:03.24 | wols | Hedenberg: /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools |
| 08:03.24 | Sleek | I guess I'll install ubuntu instead |
| 08:03.51 | MangosDebian | Fedor_Emelianenk: one exception, we are at 4.0r0 atm, when all the manual typos and minor bug fixes are well tested, we will switch to r1 etc. basically all the security updates become the next revision |
| 08:04.12 | wols | Sleek: you install stable and upgrade. lenny installers are for debugging the installer |
| 08:04.13 | Hedenberg | No encryption. Running dhcp on startup and tried it manualy with dhclient. |
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| 08:04.25 | wols | Hedenberg: error messages are a wonderful thing to see |
| 08:04.26 | slack101 | still going |
| 08:04.29 | MangosDebian | slack101: blasphemy! |
| 08:04.42 | MangosDebian | err Sleek |
| 08:05.01 | Fedor_Emelianenk | MangosDebian: tnx |
| 08:05.09 | shingouz | Hedenberg: man iwconfig and do it manually first. when you know what you need, put the stuff in interfaces and you should be done with it |
| 08:05.10 | Hedenberg | wols only error message is that dhcp doesnt get an adress after trying for a minute |
| 08:05.29 | Sleek | okay thanks wols |
| 08:05.45 | wols | Hedenberg: what does iwconfig eth0 say? what does dmesg say after you insert the dirver, etc? |
| 08:05.47 | slack101 | MangosDebian, im still amazed i spent 2 days worrying about not having two 0's added to my fstab |
| 08:05.51 | Sleek | somebody told me stable is pretty 'old' so I just grabbed the newest CD image |
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| 08:06.12 | MangosDebian | slack101: was probably the proc being none, not the 0's |
| 08:06.19 | Hedenberg | I've used iwconfig to specify the ESSID and Channel of the router. |
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| 08:06.51 | Sleek | onoz.. I have already deleted my winXP partition ! |
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| 08:07.18 | Hedenberg | wois: it's eth2, and iwconfig eth2 says regular stuff, my essid, Mode:Managed etc... but Link quality=0/100 so something is for sure wrong. |
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| 08:08.22 | Eclipser | can I use debian netinstallation cd to chroot into existing installation and run my grub? |
| 08:08.43 | vin` | Eclipser: yes |
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| 08:10.01 | Eclipser | ok thanks |
| 08:10.15 | Hedenberg | shouldnt "ifconfig eth2 up dhcp" work? Im getting the error "dhcp: unknow host" |
| 08:10.46 | liable | Hedenberg: bring the iface up, then run dhclient |
| 08:11.09 | liable | Hedenberg: you are confuding interfaces file syntax with ifconfig syntax |
| 08:11.41 | liable | confusing even |
| 08:12.11 | Hedenberg | ok, thanks |
| 08:12.54 | Hedenberg | I guess my real issue with the wireless is how to specify which wireless network to use. Do I need to specify more than the ESSID and the Channel? |
| 08:13.32 | liable | setting just the essid should work |
| 08:13.36 | shingouz | Hedenberg: essid should be enough but sometimes it helps to give the channel |
| 08:15.26 | Hedenberg | so ifconfig eth2 down, iwconfig eth2 essid emils, ifconfig eth2 up, dhclient should be enough to bring it all up working? (emils is the essid of my access point) |
| 08:15.52 | shingouz | Hedenberg: yes |
| 08:16.12 | Hedenberg | But it's not. :/ No dhcpoffers |
| 08:16.27 | liable | does it show as associated? |
| 08:16.34 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 08:16.52 | Hedenberg | associated where? |
| 08:17.16 | liable | in iwconfig output |
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| 08:18.37 | Hedenberg | not really then |
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| 08:18.59 | cdufouil | Hi all |
| 08:19.55 | Hedenberg | since it's showing in iwconfig at all, it means the moduledriver for my wireless card is loading, right? |
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| 08:20.51 | cdufouil | I have troubles installing debian on my new motherboard with Intel integrated graphic card GMA3000. When I try to startx, I have : http://www.tsleg.com/upload/data/STJ4_log . So I tried to install drivers from Intel site, and I get : http://www.tsleg.com/upload/data/QT5Y_log |
| 08:21.04 | cdufouil | Can anybody help me ? Thanks |
| 08:22.10 | liable | Hedenberg: yes. which driver btw? |
| 08:22.17 | Hedenberg | rt2500 |
| 08:22.32 | liable | Hedenberg: does iwlist scan show your ap? |
| 08:22.41 | liable | Hedenberg: and i presume its an open ap? |
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| 08:23.16 | Hedenberg | my accesspoint is open aye |
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| 08:23.41 | Hedenberg | iwlist ap shows "Interface doesnt have a list of peers/Access-points" on all interfaces, including eth2 |
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| 08:24.03 | liable | Hedenberg: iwlist eth2 scan |
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| 08:25.22 | Hedenberg | then he's showing all three availible aps |
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| 08:26.06 | Hedenberg | all with a quality of 0/100. I figure that has nothing to do with actual signal strength then |
| 08:26.50 | liable | Hedenberg: they show 0/100 from the scan command? |
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| 08:26.50 | vin` | cdufouil: is intel-agp loaded? |
| 08:26.50 | Hedenberg | aye |
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| 08:27.39 | liable | Hedenberg: hrm, put your ifconfig, iwconfig and scan results on a pastebot |
| 08:28.33 | cdufouil | vin`, I tried "modprobe intel-agp" and I get "FATAL: Module intel_agp not found." |
| 08:28.42 | Hedenberg | that machine is without a connection as long as the wireless is down :/ |
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| 08:29.46 | Hedenberg | im trying to find the guide I used to make it work last time. Think it was a debian specific wireless howto. |
| 08:29.50 | cdufouil | PS : My lspci : http://www.tsleg.com/upload/data/WWLP_log |
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| 08:31.54 | Hedenberg | illable: the ifconfig shouldn't be mattering much since dhclient dont work anyway? I think i used some tool to rename the interface into eth2 or something. Dont remember. Damn guess I should find the guide to see what I did the first time. |
| 08:32.37 | liable | Hedenberg: you wont get a lease from dhcpd if you arent associated to an ap |
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| 08:34.00 | Hedenberg | and the association to the ap is done through ifconfig? |
| 08:34.08 | liable | no, iwconfig |
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| 08:34.21 | wols | cdufouil: why did you use intel.com drivers? debian comes with perfectly fine drivres for your chipset |
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| 08:35.06 | vin` | cdufouil: what about agpgart? |
| 08:35.13 | wols | cdufouil: what kernel? |
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| 08:35.47 | Hedenberg | how should an association look like there then? |
| 08:35.48 | vin` | wols: it failed, so still sane afaics |
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| 08:36.59 | wols | vin`: huh? |
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| 08:37.22 | wols | Hedenberg: you still there? |
| 08:37.30 | Hedenberg | aye |
| 08:37.32 | vin` | wols: his installation of intel drivers |
| 08:37.53 | Hedenberg | i'll try to write my iwconfig output to a pastebin |
| 08:38.13 | wols | ah. didn't look at that |
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| 08:38.48 | wols | vin`: seems his irc connection failed too. poor guy |
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| 08:39.29 | buu | Woah. |
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| 08:40.55 | Suprano | Hi there |
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| 08:42.01 | Hedenberg | liable: http://pastebin.com/938870 |
| 08:42.06 | Suprano | i patched by kernel with the bootsplash stuff, but they created a depend on vesafb, i however wanted to use savagefb, now i see in my log that savageb is loading, but the vesafb loads also and screws up the stuff that savaefb loaded.. |
| 08:42.06 | Hedenberg | brb |
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| 08:44.25 | ice63 | hmm i never installed a bootsplash..what is it called ? |
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| 08:44.51 | vin` | Suprano: you can pass options in grub to disable it iirc, forgot the syntax, googled? |
| 08:45.56 | otwin | i'm going to setup my first opteron-based server (dl385). are there any reasons not to use the amd64 port of debian? this machine will mainly run samba, ldap, mysql and bind. |
| 08:46.16 | Suprano | hmm the option video=savagefb:.... is already passed, but i seem to have to disable vesafb explicit |
| 08:46.48 | cast | otwin: not that i know of. check the BTS though, but i run amd64 on desktop and its pretty flawless |
| 08:46.52 | vin` | Suprano: vesafb=off or somesuch |
| 08:47.20 | Suprano | google says video=vesafb:off , can i write 2 vedio parameters ? |
| 08:47.27 | Suprano | *video |
| 08:47.36 | wols | otwin: as long as you can run dbeian main software only, there shouldn't be any problems. if you have more than 1GB or so RAM (as you probably have), it should be better anyways |
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| 08:48.12 | wols | problems usually start with proprietary software, (acrobat, flash, etc) |
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| 08:50.49 | cdufouil | wols, I went on intel.com because X reffused to launch ;) My kernel is 2.6.18 |
| 08:52.02 | cdufouil | vin`, agpgart is loaded : http://www.tsleg.com/upload/data/4N7A_log |
| 08:52.56 | otwin | wols: yes it has 4gb - no proprietary will be used. no X server. i just never used that branch, but i guess debian stable packages should be equally stable in amd64 than in i386. |
| 08:56.12 | vin` | cdufouil: looks fine, dunno sorry |
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| 08:58.13 | cdufouil | vin`, wo0zy How can I get 2.6.20 "easily" (and testing, I only have 2.6.18) and can it resolve my problem ? |
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| 09:01.00 | mosno | wow. debian still doesn't protect against shell fork bombs by default. |
| 09:01.06 | mosno | why? |
| 09:01.30 | cast | remind me of the line of bash to do that |
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| 09:01.41 | cast | i thought debian was the only one that it didn't work on :\ |
| 09:01.53 | azeem | eh, do that elsewhere |
| 09:02.08 | mosno | cast: i just ran one that worked |
| 09:02.09 | mosno | on etch |
| 09:02.13 | mosno | want me to paste it? :) :) |
| 09:02.29 | Hedenberg | liable: I still can't get it up. Since i can scan for network, I'd guess that the hardware is running with correct driver. So it's all about errors in the network configuration. |
| 09:02.32 | cast | mosno: sure |
| 09:02.33 | azeem | mosno: I think debian doesn't consider local DOSes as critical, the admin should configure their system if they don't like it |
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| 09:02.37 | azeem | mosno: but I'm not sure |
| 09:02.42 | Hedenberg | What's really needed to configure a wireless network then? |
| 09:02.45 | mosno | azeem: ok |
| 09:02.49 | mosno | cast: one sec |
| 09:03.21 | mosno | cast: i think this is it: :(){ :|:& };: |
| 09:03.27 | cast | trying now |
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| 09:04.19 | mosno | cast: are you still alive? :D |
| 09:04.20 | cydork | cast: you don't want to!! |
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| 09:04.39 | mosno | cast: ground control to major tom |
| 09:05.01 | mosno | cast: take your protein pills and put your helmet on |
| 09:05.21 | cydork | heh |
| 09:05.24 | cdufouil | lo |
| 09:05.25 | cdufouil | lol |
| 09:05.30 | cdufouil | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.37 | mosno | ba-da-boom |
| 09:05.40 | cdufouil | he's gone (sorry) |
| 09:05.42 | mosno | and for my next trick... |
| 09:05.53 | mosno | well, i did warn him. |
| 09:06.11 | Hedenberg | mosno: now hack my wireless network into workin :> |
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| 09:06.25 | mosno | Hedenberg: heh. chances. i'm still in the wired stoneage |
| 09:06.32 | Hedenberg | my wireless network is a notwork. |
| 09:06.37 | Matt4781581 | are there any shell scripters here? |
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| 09:06.41 | otwin | thx guys for your comments, cu |
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| 09:06.59 | possie | where can i see what the maximum allowed processes is? |
| 09:07.18 | possie | because i have a system which is running 2600 processes, and now certain "forks()" start to fail |
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| 09:10.18 | mosno | /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 09:10.30 | mosno | possie: ^ |
| 09:10.42 | mosno | see the Securing Debian document |
| 09:11.14 | mosno | "This _resource exhaustion_ problem can be fixed by the use of PAM. |
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| 09:11.44 | cast | that worked pretty well. |
| 09:11.46 | possie | kthanks |
| 09:11.51 | mosno | cast: hiya |
| 09:12.06 | mosno | cast: you were down for the count, sonny :) |
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| 09:13.41 | cdufouil | cast, lol |
| 09:17.44 | Hedenberg | I need some help with my wireless net still. I have a card and are using RT2500 for it. the interface for the card is eth2. I can do "iwlist eth2 scan" and see the three accessible networks in my building, though with Qualith: 0/100 - not sure if that matters. Then I try to configure it with ifconfig eth2 up, iwconfig channel 5, iwconfig essid Emils, dhclient eth2 - and I dont get any respons from the dhcp |
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| 09:18.30 | Hedenberg | my accesspoint is using essid Emils and channel 5 as I wrote above, and with a work dhcp etc (using it on this machine) What can be the reason of my problems? |
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| 09:19.12 | azeem | Hedenberg: maybe the access points do MAC address filtering? |
| 09:19.19 | liable | Hedenberg: where did you get the driver from? |
| 09:19.38 | liable | i am inclined to say buggy driver |
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| 09:20.03 | Hedenberg | I got the driver from apt. I used it on last boot and had network up and working flawless. A busy week later I return to my system and it's not working. |
| 09:20.05 | jzxu | i made the madwifi modules with module-assistant, but when I modprobe it the only message I see on dmesg is "ath_pci: 0.9.4.5 (0.9.3)" is this normal? |
| 09:20.50 | Hedenberg | azeem The access point doesnt filter by mac, and even if it did, it still works on win on the same machine. |
| 09:20.53 | liable | jzxu: whats the lspci output for the card? |
| 09:21.09 | liable | Hedenberg: so, a week later, what has changed? |
| 09:21.15 | jzxu | liable: 03:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. Unknown device 0024 (rev 01) |
| 09:21.26 | liable | Hedenberg: can you set a static ip? |
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| 09:22.36 | wols | jzxu: update-pciids |
| 09:22.39 | Hedenberg | i can set a static ip on the interface, but since it doesnt seem to be on the right wireless net, I cant ping or anything |
| 09:22.49 | wols | afaik it's nothing to worry about. just use iwconfig no |
| 09:22.52 | wols | now |
| 09:23.28 | jzxu | wols: wow, thanks, I never knew about this |
| 09:23.45 | jzxu | liable: new output is "03:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5418 802.11a/b/g/n Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)" |
| 09:23.56 | Hedenberg | what has changed. Pretty much nothing. Perhaps last time it connected to one of the other open wireless networks in the building and that network changed hence it didn't work today. :/ |
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| 09:24.03 | wols | jzxu: useful in this case since not all atheros are supported |
| 09:24.05 | mateuszk | Hi |
| 09:24.41 | liable | jzxu: check the compatibility page at madwifi.org |
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| 09:24.52 | jzxu | liable, k, thanks |
| 09:25.08 | liable | jzxu: though you should get a hal error if its not supported. |
| 09:25.12 | h3sp4wn | jzxu: I think you will need to use madwifi trunk |
| 09:25.37 | liable | jzxu: and you should get more than the output you pasted for a normal module load |
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| 09:26.09 | h3sp4wn | jzxu: (the hal in 0.9.3 won't support those cards) |
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| 09:26.14 | wols | liable: not necessarily. if you dismiss the "eth0: link up" messages, stuff like my realteks won't output more either |
| 09:26.39 | liable | wols: the madwifi module does. |
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| 09:26.54 | wols | ha, ok |
| 09:27.27 | Phil4 | hi guys, I was wondering why so many packages are being "kept back" when I do apt-get upgrade |
| 09:27.41 | Phil4 | there's 76 in total |
| 09:27.57 | Hedenberg | liable: so what difference does it make if I can give the interface a static IP or not? I still dont know if it's associated with any wireless network. |
| 09:27.58 | liable | Phil4: because you havent learnt what the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade is |
| 09:28.01 | wols | !tell Phil4 about kept back |
| 09:28.11 | Suprano | ahm.. could you tell me how to use this patch? i removed the first lines including index 82... and did patch patchfile.diff drivers/acpi/ec.c but 2 chunks failed http://bugzilla.kernel.org/attachment.cgi?id=11724&action=view |
| 09:28.30 | Suprano | i mean i did patch drivers/acpi/ec.c patchfile.diff |
| 09:28.36 | Suprano | not the other way |
| 09:29.24 | liable | Hedenberg: if you arent associated, it wont make any difference. but seeing as I cant see exactly whats going on, its just one thing to try that may work. btw, you need to set a route as well when you set an ip statically |
| 09:29.50 | Hedenberg | liable: a route to where? |
| 09:30.10 | Hedenberg | liable: I can only assume Im not associated because something is made incorrectly |
| 09:30.14 | Phil4 | I dist-upgraded to Lenny a while ago |
| 09:30.22 | Phil4 | what is the reason for me needing to do it again? :S |
| 09:30.23 | Suprano | i removed all lines till +++ b/drivers/acpi/ec.c |
| 09:30.49 | liable | Phil4: you lack an understanding of what dist-upgrade means |
| 09:30.51 | Hedenberg | liable: So I pretty much need to know the steps for making a wireless notwork into a network from the start and up so I can find the problem. |
| 09:30.55 | liable | Phil4: man apt-get |
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| 09:31.12 | Hedenberg | The real question is: How do I specificaly tell the wireless interface "join this network"? It's enough to have the interface UP and give it a ESSID with iwconfig? |
| 09:31.21 | wols | Phil4: read th apt howto |
| 09:31.23 | liable | usually, yes |
| 09:31.40 | wols | Hedenberg: you mean it should try to start after bootup immediately? man interfaces then |
| 09:32.02 | Hedenberg | wols: I dont know anything about your problem, Im talking about my own, sorry. |
| 09:32.08 | Phil4 | ok, thanks :) |
| 09:32.13 | wols | Hedenberg: I am too |
| 09:32.24 | Hedenberg | ah |
| 09:32.29 | wols | cause my WLAN works (evern when that shitty driver has no WPA support) |
| 09:33.12 | Hedenberg | wols: it does try to start then, but wont get anything from the dhcp (which is working on the real network) ergo the problem is that it's not associated with a network |
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| 09:33.27 | Hedenberg | liable: Ok. So what could caus the unusualness of my problems? |
| 09:33.34 | jzxu | h3sp4wn: I just compiled and installed svn trunk of madwifi, and it looks like the dmesg messages are now correct |
| 09:33.37 | wols | what does "making a wireless notwork into a network from the start" mean then? |
| 09:33.47 | jzxu | thanks, liable h3sp4wn |
| 09:33.53 | wols | Hedenberg: does your drivre have debug settings? |
| 09:33.56 | Hedenberg | liable: Software bugs? Hardware bugs? Brinbugs? |
| 09:34.00 | wols | e.g. more logging to kernel log? |
| 09:34.09 | Hedenberg | wols: I dont know. |
| 09:34.21 | wols | find ouz then :) |
| 09:34.38 | wols | e.g. I put some printk statemens into mine the first time I needed to get it to run |
| 09:35.19 | liable | Hedenberg: if it used to work and doesnt now, and you say nothing has changed, then I have no idea |
| 09:35.21 | h3sp4wn | jzxu: I don't think the support for n is fully complete but it should work ok at the lower speeds |
| 09:35.40 | liable | madwifi wont support n for some time |
| 09:35.45 | jzxu | h3sp4wn, yeah, I don't have any n-based aps anyway |
| 09:36.02 | jzxu | I have no idea why I decided to get the a/b/g/n version |
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| 09:37.56 | Hedenberg | liable: Ok. Nothing in the system -should- have changed. I did install a whole lot of software through apt last time I had it up. But nothing that really should mess with it. Something might have happened to the wireless networks - I didn't specify ESSID last time, he just grabbed a network and I didn't know how to but was thrilled that I got the network. |
| 09:38.27 | h3sp4wn | jzxu: If you have only a mini pci express card socket then your options are more limited anyway |
| 09:38.47 | liable | Hedenberg: and were you using network manager then or how did you configure it? |
| 09:38.53 | Hedenberg | liable: So lets assume everything could have changed. Or better yet, lets pretend it never worked at all and just go from the bottom and up to find out why. |
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| 09:39.11 | Hedenberg | liable: I used this guide: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Debian_rt2500_Howto |
| 09:40.19 | liable | Hedenberg: when cards are being problematic for me, the order i do things is. ifconfig eth1 up; iwlist scan; iwconfig essid foo channel bah ap <mac of ap> |
| 09:40.50 | liable | then see if it actually is associated |
| 09:41.16 | liable | the fact that your driver doesnt show signal levels of ap's is problematic for a start |
| 09:41.35 | liable | but not neccesarily the cause. |
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| 09:41.57 | liable | it may still work fine even though it doesnt show signal levels correctly |
| 09:42.18 | Hedenberg | so you just do the above iwconfig command without specifying the interface? |
| 09:42.56 | liable | yes, specify the iface, i forgot that |
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| 09:44.00 | liable | mac of ap with the < > |
| 09:44.19 | liable | without! |
| 09:44.26 | Hedenberg | mm |
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| 09:45.05 | Hedenberg | Doesn't really change anything in eth2 on iwconfig, besides the ESSID. Nothing that shows that Im more or less associated |
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| 09:45.21 | Hedenberg | did I mess up in mode? Should be Managed right? |
| 09:45.28 | sputnick | hello |
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| 09:46.06 | Enverex | Does anyone here use Wine and Debian Sid? |
| 09:46.27 | Quiddity | Hi, I'm trying to install debian 4 (lenny) on a powerpc tibook without physical media... I've put the files from dists/lenny/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/netboot/ into the root of the drive and am trying to use 'df' to find out which partition will be used by debian when I try to run the installer but I need some help... :) |
| 09:46.28 | Enverex | (don't give me the does anyone message, I need to speak to people specifically with the issue) |
| 09:47.04 | Lukian | I use wine with sid Enverex, what's the issue? |
| 09:47.43 | Quiddity | I'm thinking its something simple like needing to mount the image but I've never done this before, so... |
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| 09:48.16 | Hedenberg | liable: Mode should be Managed, right? |
| 09:48.20 | liable | the reason the 'does anyone use' factoid exists is because its stupid to ask that question. instead just explain the problem, sometimes someone who deosnt even use it may be able to help... |
| 09:48.26 | liable | Hedenberg: yep |
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| 09:49.07 | Hedenberg | then since it's still not showing anything similar to association I should assume it's in the driver or below then |
| 09:49.11 | Enverex | Lukian, Can you run this in a terminal please: "wine iexplore http://winehq.org" and see what happens? |
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| 09:49.57 | Lukian | Enverex, atm it's installing gecko as I haven't done that yet :) |
| 09:50.10 | Enverex | Lukian, Ok, let me know when its done |
| 09:50.36 | chuckkh | I'm running a kernel patched to 2.6.22, and in a fit of not paying attention upgraded in Synaptic, reinstalling 2.6.18 |
| 09:50.42 | chuckkh | will "make modules" help me? |
| 09:50.53 | chuckkh | the thing is that my wireless card is only supported in 2.6.22 |
| 09:50.57 | liable | Hedenberg: have you checked the bts for the rt2500 source package? |
| 09:51.06 | Hedenberg | bts? |
| 09:51.06 | chuckkh | and my audio |
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| 09:51.14 | Lukian | Enverex, I get a blank grey window titled "Wine Internet Explorer" |
| 09:51.30 | liable | Hedenberg: bugs.debian.org |
| 09:53.01 | Lukian | Enverex, I'm not using accelerated drivers atm, so that could be my issue - http://paste.debian.net/31647 |
| 09:53.02 | Enverex | Lukian, Yeah, that's what I feared. Wine loses all networking ability in Debian Sid and it's a Sid issue not Wine :( |
| 09:53.15 | Enverex | Problem is I can't figure out why it happens |
| 09:53.18 | Enverex | It used to work |
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| 09:53.47 | ogamiitto | i have a problem running mysqldump on debian etch, when running the command (without redirection to a file) it only displays the first lines of the dump and then hangs, any clues? |
| 09:54.36 | Lukian | Enverex, try an older version of wine perhaps? |
| 09:54.39 | Enverex | I need to find a Debian developer though who's likely to know about changes lately in-depth that may be able to help |
| 09:54.43 | Enverex | Lukian, Already have, no change |
| 09:55.00 | Enverex | Lukian, Something's changed in Sid and that is what broke it, I can't figure out what though |
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| 09:55.41 | Hedenberg | liable: Thanks, but I'll let it rest now. I remember when I installed Sarge and could get the card to work even in the installation, those were the days :) Any suggestion on a wireless card I can buy with a higher probability to work on Debian? |
| 09:56.29 | sawii | anyone know how i can set my system to boot to a text login prompt instead of gdm? |
| 09:56.59 | Enverex | sawii, Append "single" to the end of the kernel boot line |
| 09:57.07 | liable | Hedenberg: RT's are actually supposedly pretty good as they release specs for the card |
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| 09:57.18 | sawii | Enverex: not really what i am going for |
| 09:57.24 | Phil | if I update the options of a mount in fstab, how do I remount it in order for them to apply? |
| 09:57.34 | eplison_ | sawii: don't start X? |
| 09:57.52 | sawii | X starts automatically, thats what i'm trying to stop |
| 09:59.20 | Enverex | Hrm, does anyone know if the glibc maintainer is in here or know a lot about the Debian glibc package? (libc6) |
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| 10:00.33 | nvz | sawii: update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 10:00.47 | nvz | sawii: assuming you are using gdm |
| 10:02.07 | Guerin | Enverex: you should ask debian-devel@lists.debian.org |
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| 10:02.13 | nvz | sawii: after removing the links you _could_ put them back for say runlevels 3,4, and 5 since debian boots to 2 by default that way if you change the runlevel it will come back on |
| 10:02.21 | azeem | Guerin: why that? |
| 10:02.35 | Guerin | azeem: because that's where debian developers tend to hang out? |
| 10:02.46 | azeem | Guerin: that doesn't mean any questions are on-topic there |
| 10:03.03 | Guerin | azeem: this is true. WHat's a better place? debian-user? |
| 10:03.08 | nvz | sawii: if you are always going to login via text mode, then you could just remove gdm altogether |
| 10:03.19 | azeem | Guerin: how about figuring out the question first, and then finding the best place? |
| 10:03.26 | sawii | nvz: i would like to remove gdm/gnome as well |
| 10:03.34 | Guerin | azeem: the question is `i want to talk to the maintainer' |
| 10:03.52 | cydork | sawii: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 10:03.53 | Guerin | (or someone similar) |
| 10:04.11 | azeem | Guerin: apparently he has issues with wine and sid |
| 10:04.14 | cydork | sawii: also check /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 10:04.20 | Guerin | oh, i didn't see any backstory |
| 10:04.31 | azeem | Guerin: the approrpriate way to "talk to the maintainer" is to file a bug, usually |
| 10:04.34 | azeem | not mail debian-devel |
| 10:04.49 | Guerin | azeem: you'd recommend filing a bug for any inquiry? |
| 10:04.54 | Enverex | Guerin, I'm worried that'll get ignored though. |
| 10:04.58 | azeem | Enverex: wtg |
| 10:04.59 | azeem | wtf |
| 10:05.03 | Guerin | Enverex: why? |
| 10:05.07 | sawii | cydork: thanks, will look |
| 10:05.18 | azeem | Enverex: if you aren't even able to articulate your problem here, it is sure likey it'll get ignored |
| 10:05.32 | Enverex | azeem, I already explained it earlier, you obviously didn't see it |
| 10:05.59 | Enverex | Guerin, I'm guessing that's a busy list and this is kinda an external problem (but on the other hand it's not...) |
| 10:06.09 | azeem | 11:51 < Enverex> Lukian, Yeah, that's what I feared. Wine loses all networking ability in Debian Sid and it's a Sid issue not Wine :( |
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| 10:06.21 | azeem | Enverex: so get wine to fix their code for the new glibc |
| 10:06.24 | Guerin | Enverex: well, if it's a problem with a package, or interaction between packages, file bug(s) |
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| 10:07.03 | Guerin | Enverex: if it's sid, that is quite literally the only forum you're liable to get any sympathy |
| 10:07.27 | Enverex | azeem, Well I've not tracked it down to glibc, it was an educated guess from trying older versions of most other dependencies |
| 10:07.28 | azeem | Enverex: did you check the BTS for wine and/or at winehq about this? |
| 10:07.45 | Enverex | azeem, I'm a Wine dev, I'm the one dealing with it |
| 10:07.49 | azeem | eh. |
| 10:07.51 | Hedenberg | liable: Ok, thanks. So it's pretty much "Choose another dist" or "buy a damn cable" for me :) |
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| 10:08.08 | azeem | Enverex: so confirm your "educated guess" first |
| 10:08.24 | AjeZ | hi |
| 10:08.45 | azeem | Enverex: also, maybe try with the glibc in experimental |
| 10:08.47 | AjeZ | i've a question, a simple question :P |
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| 10:09.10 | Enverex | azeem, I would but it's not that simple, as you can guess glibc has a lot of deps and it ends up becoming almost circular but I guess I have no choice, I just wanted to talk it through with one of the Debian guys that worked on the glibc package to see if they may have a better guess |
| 10:09.22 | Enverex | azeem, I'll try that then start working back versions |
| 10:09.51 | azeem | Enverex: with as much info as "wine breaks in sid", what kind of answer do you expect? |
| 10:09.58 | liable | Hedenberg: having a cable so you can use ethernet to help while debugging is a good idea |
| 10:10.01 | azeem | the usual answer from glibc maintainers is "show me the backtrace" |
| 10:10.06 | Guerin | yeh |
| 10:10.12 | Guerin | um |
| 10:10.19 | Guerin | glibc doesn't have that many deps |
| 10:10.23 | AjeZ | i've never used debian before .. i've to update proftd on a server .. if i update it via apt-get, the config file will be overwritten with a default one or not? |
| 10:10.33 | azeem | Enverex: bootstrap a chroot and test there, e.g. |
| 10:10.47 | azeem | Guerin: it's not easy to downgrade due to the Debian package inter-dependencies though |
| 10:10.52 | azeem | downgrade glibc |
| 10:10.56 | Guerin | oh, indeed |
| 10:11.03 | Guerin | in fact |
| 10:11.14 | liable | AjeZ: if theres a new config, then it will ask you if you want to keep your old one. |
| 10:11.15 | Guerin | that would be a good use of chroot |
| 10:11.46 | AjeZ | liable, thx.. the exact command is apt-get upgrade proftpd ?? |
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| 10:12.02 | azeem | Guerin: bottom line, people wanting to contact specific people in Debian usually shouldn't need to, try to figure out their real need first if possible |
| 10:12.28 | Guerin | AjeZ: apt-get install proftpd |
| 10:12.28 | liable | AjeZ: just apt-get upgrade will install it if theres a new one available |
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| 10:12.59 | AjeZ | ok .. so if i want to upgrade only proftpd, apt-get install proftpd ? |
| 10:13.02 | Guerin | azeem: you're right; however I knew Enverex was a wine dev and figured he probably had a legitimate reason to contact the maintainer. |
| 10:13.06 | AjeZ | just to be sure :P |
| 10:13.17 | liable | yes |
| 10:13.18 | Guerin | hence the unorthodox recommendation |
| 10:13.31 | AjeZ | ok, thx guys |
| 10:13.50 | azeem | Guerin: ok |
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| 10:16.03 | AjeZ | w00t! |
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| 10:16.07 | AjeZ | last question :P |
| 10:16.16 | AjeZ | how i restart proftpd ? |
| 10:16.23 | AjeZ | :P |
| 10:16.26 | azeem | AjeZ: via /etc/init.d |
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| 10:17.05 | AjeZ | ok, same as gentoo :P |
| 10:17.06 | AjeZ | thx |
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| 10:21.02 | MasterGH | hi, do things listed in a user's crontab have the same permisions as the user? |
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| 10:21.57 | MasterGH | for example, if I wanted to run something that acessed some datafiles in my home dir (which isn't readable to those outsite the user/group), what that work? |
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| 10:22.47 | rossMoHaX | I've 3 disks (3 PV) in one VG, where is one LV defined and formatted to ext3. if one of disks breaks, what happened then? Will be that LV still usable (will it possible to read/write files which located on other two disks)? |
| 10:22.52 | Guerin | MasterGH: i suggest you read the cron documentation, and test your proposals yourself; but the short answer is that a user's cron items are run as that user |
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| 10:23.03 | Guerin | MasterGH: otherwise it'd be a guaranteed root hole, no? |
| 10:23.37 | MasterGH | Guerin: thanks |
| 10:23.53 | MasterGH | Guerin: I have been trying something, but it doesn't seem to load, which was why I asked |
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| 10:25.15 | MasterGH | Guerin: nvm...seemes to have started... |
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| 10:25.52 | eplison_ | rossMoHaX: then you will loose at least 1/3 of the filesystem |
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| 10:26.24 | cast | eplison_: not neccesarily |
| 10:26.26 | eplison_ | rossMoHaX: how you'll be able to access the filesystem - only the hardware god knows |
| 10:26.31 | Guerin | !loose |
| 10:26.31 | dpkg | i heard loose is the most annoying spelling error. It's LOSE you moron. Unless of course you're using loose in a Madonna sorta way. |
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| 10:28.24 | rossMoHaX | epsilon, It's ok to lose 1/3 =) I'm wory if other 2/3 will still accessible? |
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| 10:30.57 | epsilon | rossMoHaX: the LVM should be accessable, but who knows what happens to the filesystem |
| 10:32.09 | epsilon | and chaining is like RAID0 not the best solution. With 3 disks, I'd use some RAID >=1 |
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| 10:32.41 | Enverex | azeem, The odd thing was that Sid is still on 2.5 of LibC6, I could understand if there was a version bump but it's been 2.5 for ages... |
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| 10:34.19 | dimmur | Hi everyone. I've one question about setting variables - where have i add entry like export VARIABLE=VALUE that every user (especially for www-data) ? |
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| 10:39.26 | nvz | dimmur: well you dont need to use export when defining them in a config that is sourced in, /etc/profile IIRC would work for logins |
| 10:40.26 | nvz | dimmur: I have no idea for non-login users I wouldnt even know where to begin on that one |
| 10:40.33 | \amethyst | nvz: you still need export if you want it to be an environment variable |
| 10:41.24 | \amethyst | dimmur: To set an environment variable for apache, use the SetEnv apache config directive |
| 10:41.32 | nvz | \amethyst: ah, I see the export PATH at the end of /etc/profile |
| 10:42.23 | nvz | \amethyst: anyone ever tell you starting a nick with a backslash is lame? :P |
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| 10:42.46 | dimmur | \amethyst: i use lighttpd right now but i check with apache - i've already exported in /etc/profile but didn't work for lighttpd (restarted machine) |
| 10:43.08 | \amethyst | dimmur: because lighttpd isn't running in a login shell |
| 10:43.51 | MangosDebian | dimmur: export it ifrom the init wscript that starts it |
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| 10:45.03 | shingouz | nvz: i guess it is humor |
| 10:45.08 | shingouz | ..not like i know what that means... |
| 10:45.13 | nvz | MangosDebian: I'm not sure that would work |
| 10:45.25 | cydork | nvz: you suck at acronyms :P |
| 10:45.29 | nvz | shingouz: I'm not laughing with it, I'm laughing at it |
| 10:45.49 | xand | humor is a poor form of humour ;) |
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| 10:46.18 | shingouz | nvz: point taken |
| 10:46.24 | nvz | highumor is easier to manage |
| 10:46.35 | nvz | if I was stoned maybe I'd find it funny |
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| 10:47.23 | petemc | im not sure such a thing as universal humour exists |
| 10:47.28 | nvz | though I can still laugh at Mitch Headburg even when I'm not stoned.. but that's just cause he still manages to be somewhat funny in a stupid way |
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| 10:48.00 | shingouz | amazing how much better it feels to be back on a real o/s instead of the xp i had to use earlier today. pity i am just so lazy i do not have the energy to start up a decent irc client |
| 10:48.11 | cydork | petemc: i _believe_ it exists! just like ... |
| 10:48.25 | nvz | like that joke about putting a map of the world on his wall and putting tacks everywhere he'd gone.. but first he'd have to travel to the four corners of the globe so it wouldn't fall down :P |
| 10:48.30 | Enverex | GRRR |
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| 10:48.54 | Manas | hello who install irda on debian? |
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| 10:50.02 | Manas | who is install irda on Deb? |
| 10:50.17 | harpal | To make system secure is ti necessary to install SElinux |
| 10:50.18 | shingouz | Manas: we already saw that question. |
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| 10:51.06 | Manas | irda-utils |
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| 10:51.07 | shingouz | !tell Manas about ask |
| 10:51.24 | dimmur | MangosDebian: \amethyst thanks for help |
| 10:51.42 | petemc | harpal: depends on your definition of secure, if you apply security updates as they come out and only run services you require, in an intelligent manner, you can be fairly secure without selinix |
| 10:51.46 | petemc | linux |
| 10:51.56 | shingouz | Manas: and to install irda-utils, aptitude install irda-utils and oyu should be done with it |
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| 10:52.00 | Enverex | azeem, This is messy, every time I try and force a version of something apt wants to uninstall pretty much my entire machine |
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| 10:52.22 | unlink | petemc: can't count on that. remember, all vulnerabilities start unpublished |
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| 10:52.38 | si0ux | hi all! |
| 10:52.40 | nvz | selinux seems like more trouble than its worth |
| 10:52.46 | petemc | unlink: you'll notice i didnt use any absolutes |
| 10:52.49 | petemc | unlink: but, thanks |
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| 10:52.57 | jzxu | does the default debian kernel have cpu frequency scaling options enabled? |
| 10:53.09 | harpal | petemc: I have used firewall and I want to make no one can that system |
| 10:53.13 | unlink | petemc: security updates are no good for vulnerabilities only the blackhats know about |
| 10:53.13 | nvz | you gotta take all that time comming up with a policy that you can't change easily once you pull the plug |
| 10:53.20 | petemc | urgh |
| 10:53.23 | petemc | whatever |
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| 10:54.14 | \amethyst | harpal: do you know what selinux does? |
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| 10:54.33 | harpal | no |
| 10:54.51 | \amethyst | harpal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selinux |
| 10:54.53 | nvz | it implements mandatory access controls at a kernel level |
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| 10:55.27 | Manas | <shingouz> sec |
| 10:55.34 | nvz | requires creation of a strict policy that says who can to what and how.. etc.. its more of a PITA then really useful in most cases |
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| 10:56.17 | unlink | suppose you have SELinux policies implemented for sshd, and sshd is compromised. your loss is mitigated, because you already decided what sshd can and cannot do. |
| 10:56.44 | nvz | but just further proves that security isn't a piece of software you can install.. its an ideal that you can hold and audit frequently ultimately providing some degree of a FEELING of security |
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| 11:00.17 | harpal | so if I can implement that with firawall then Is it good? |
| 11:00.24 | Manas | Debian 2.6.18, mobile Siemens C75, irda port, problem connect over irda mobile |
| 11:00.26 | nvz | haha |
| 11:00.30 | harpal | because it may create some problem |
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| 11:00.39 | nvz | you can implement a firewall and have no more security than without it |
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| 11:01.10 | nvz | generally speaking if you ask these sorts of questions a firewall is useless to you |
| 11:01.24 | Manas | no connect mobile over irda port |
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| 11:02.04 | Manas | install irda-utils |
| 11:02.14 | harpal | SELinux can create some problem while operating some software |
| 11:02.35 | harpal | I will not use SELinux |
| 11:02.42 | nvz | thats like my grandma who uses all this freedom security suite software from her ISP cause she "does online banking" all the while she allows MSIE to do this with full access privlages through the firewall.. thus it provides her NO SECURITY what so ever for online banking |
| 11:02.43 | harpal | thanx nvz |
| 11:02.44 | Manas | who speak russ& |
| 11:02.45 | Manas | ? |
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| 11:03.01 | liable | !ru |
| 11:03.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 11:03.14 | Manas | da russian |
| 11:03.28 | unlink | what good does UsePAM do me in my sshd_config if i use pubkey auth exclusively? |
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| 11:03.39 | urv | Is there any possibility to set up a MTA (which one?) to find out dynamically (through a DNS lookup or so) where to relay the mails to depending on who i plugged in my laptop? |
| 11:03.47 | nvz | unlink: allows people to still login via pam with passwords |
| 11:04.18 | unlink | nvz: how can that be done? |
| 11:04.24 | nvz | unlink: I left it in on my webserver cause the only account that's not disabled in /etc/shadow is root, and sshd isn't configured to use root logins |
| 11:04.47 | nvz | unlink: if they dont have a key, they are prompted with standard interactive password login |
| 11:04.48 | Phil | urv, I'm not quite sure what you want |
| 11:05.00 | nvz | unlink: or you can use command line options to say which method you prefer |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libncures' returned no results. |
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| 11:05.12 | Manas | who is install mobile over irda on Debian? |
| 11:05.18 | Phil | you want to relay mails to different locations depending on the IP address of the person sending it? |
| 11:05.29 | wols | !tell manas about search |
| 11:05.34 | wols | !tell Manas about repeat |
| 11:05.48 | urv | Phil: ehm - i have a laptop. so i want my MTA to find out where to relay my mails to depending to where i plugged in my laptop, meaning at home, at the university etc... |
| 11:05.51 | nvz | so leaving PAM on my server just gives people the idea that they can't brute-force when in reality they cant.. it'll let them try.. but no matter what they type it won't work |
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| 11:06.29 | Phil | where do you need to relay them to urv? |
| 11:06.30 | wols | urv: edit your /etc/network/interfaces script, ad a if-up script for the interace and change accordingly |
| 11:06.51 | Manas | wols, I wont connect mobile Siemens c75 over irda to Debian 2.6.18 |
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| 11:06.55 | urv | Phil: to the ISP relay mail server |
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| 11:07.22 | unlink | nvz: oh |
| 11:07.23 | apt_get | How can i modify the caracter in crontab? |
| 11:07.27 | Phil | oh I see, you don't want local delivery? |
| 11:07.35 | shingouz | Manas: do you have irda installed on your computer? lsmod and see if you have any irda modules running |
| 11:07.41 | urv | Phil: no just outgoing mails |
| 11:07.46 | harpal | how can I apply spam protection |
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| 11:08.03 | shingouz | harpal: bogofilter works nicely |
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| 11:08.13 | wols | harpal: protection against what klnd of spam? |
| 11:08.16 | nvz | unlink: the important question is wtf that Password Authentication or whatever its called option does.. cause its the UsePam that ultimately enables or disables password logins.. I can set that other option to no, and still login with a password |
| 11:08.24 | Phil | oh right, you want to relay mails through either the ISP or Uni's mail server depending on where you are? |
| 11:08.39 | wols | harpal: spamassassin, but it's a hog, dspam,etc |
| 11:08.40 | harpal | wols : mails |
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| 11:08.58 | urv | Phil: exactly. |
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| 11:09.14 | harpal | spamassian can scan http traffic |
| 11:09.18 | Phil | hrmmmmm |
| 11:09.20 | Starke | hey anybody know how do i edit compile flags in debian? |
| 11:09.40 | wols | Starke: export CFLAGS=... |
| 11:09.48 | Phil | can you not deliver mail directly from the mail server? |
| 11:09.52 | urv | Phil: so my question is - is there any DNS query which informs we about the mail toplogy of that network |
| 11:10.07 | harpal | because I would like to use that on a gateway |
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| 11:10.42 | wols | urv: mx records. but unlikely it works for what you want |
| 11:10.54 | Starke | wols isnt there a file i can just edit? |
| 11:11.05 | urv | Phil: yes but i could be thought to be spam by some recipient mail servers i guess |
| 11:11.08 | wols | Starke: you mean system wide? |
| 11:11.13 | Starke | yes |
| 11:11.18 | wols | Starke: debian is not gentoo |
| 11:11.19 | urv | wols: yes i think that's not it really |
| 11:11.23 | wols | we don't do USE flags |
| 11:11.34 | Phil | I see your point |
| 11:11.35 | Starke | no -nocorna? |
| 11:11.36 | wols | urv: but that's all there is |
| 11:11.40 | Phil | seems like mail spoofing |
| 11:11.43 | msn | is it okey to ask a sendmail aliases questionm since the sendmail channel is pretty quiet |
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| 11:12.16 | msn | just a doubt though |
| 11:12.25 | wols | msn: is sendmail running on debian for you? and: just expect random "user postfixง" or "use exim4" posts. btw: hhose are right |
| 11:12.35 | msn | if I want to forward mail from foo to bar and also send it to foo itself the /etc/mail/aliases would be "foo: foo,bar", will the email loop for foo? |
| 11:12.39 | azeem | Enverex: try to downgrade to the testing version of libc6 perhaps |
| 11:13.20 | Phil | Postfix can possibly do it urv |
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| 11:14.03 | Phil | it can certainly deal with client IPs and relaying |
| 11:14.20 | Phil | but exactly how to configure it for what you want would probably be a question for #postfix |
| 11:14.21 | Enverex | azeem, Trying but about 20 apps seem to depend on it, I'm forcing it anyway (they are dev and emul packages that apparently break so no big deal) |
| 11:14.46 | urv | Phil, wols: ok. thnx a lot! |
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| 11:15.20 | Enverex | azeem, Ok, forced all the 2.5-8 libc6 packages (+i386 ones) and no change in behavior so it's not them. Going to try the libstdc++ ones next |
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| 11:18.36 | mne | hi. i would like to test the crypto algo performance for disk encryption using cryptsetup. to avoid disk issues, i would like to set up a ramdisk (128 MB or greater) and then create a cryptodisk on it. how can i create a 128MB ramdisk ? it seems to be that /dev/ramN can't be resized during runtime and tmpfs does not create a block device which can be used with cryptsetup |
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| 11:21.34 | Starke | man shoot |
| 11:21.50 | Starke | flash isnt supported in x64 |
| 11:22.09 | petemc | no youtube for you! |
| 11:22.15 | wols | gnash maybe |
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| 11:22.39 | Starke | screw youtube |
| 11:22.49 | Starke | screw you....................................................tube |
| 11:23.04 | Starke | i use streetfire |
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| 11:23.16 | Starke | right lambda ? |
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| 11:23.24 | liable | youtube is about the only thing flash is usefull for |
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| 11:24.20 | lambda | yes right |
| 11:24.21 | Xires | flash is great for making annoying, resource-hungry banners |
| 11:24.38 | mne | how can i resize a ramdisk (/dev/ramN) during runtime ? |
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| 11:24.44 | Manas | shingouz: I install irda-utils, insert irda-port on USB, check var/log/messages, there look Jun 28 12:53:10 Linux kernel: usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 2 |
| 11:24.45 | Manas | Jun 28 12:53:13 Linux kernel: usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 4 |
| 11:24.45 | Manas | Jun 28 12:53:13 Linux kernel: usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 11:24.45 | Manas | Jun 28 12:53:13 Linux kernel: SigmaTel STIr4200 IRDA/USB found at address 4, Vendor: 66f, Product: 4200 |
| 11:24.46 | Manas | Jun 28 12:53:13 Linux kernel: drivers/net/irda/stir4200.c: IrDA: Registered SigmaTel device irda0 |
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| 11:24.52 | mbs_ | you may create sandbox |
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| 11:25.41 | Enverex | azeem, Ok, I've downgraded libc6, libc6-i386, lib32stdc++, libstdc++, and still getting the same behavior, what else would you recommend? |
| 11:26.03 | azeem | Enverex: are you /sure/ that this version of Wine used to work in unstable? When did it work? |
| 11:26.28 | Enverex | azeem, I've tried older versions of Wine, changing the Wine version makes no difference at all |
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| 11:26.56 | dextor | ้๎๏๒! |
| 11:26.56 | Enverex | azeem, It used to work a few weeks ago, but I can't be anymore specific than that (as I'd not used anything network related in Wine for a while) |
| 11:27.15 | dextor | ํเ๐๎ไ๓ ๒๎) |
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| 11:27.28 | Enverex | dextor, This is an English speaking channel |
| 11:27.46 | azeem | !ru |
| 11:27.46 | dpkg | somebody said ru was Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 11:27.50 | dextor | i know |
| 11:28.14 | azeem | Enverex: maybe try to find somebody verfying that it works in stable and maybe testing |
| 11:28.43 | Enverex | Ok so in that case, anyone here running Stable or Testing? heh. |
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| 11:28.57 | Enverex | azeem, Gotta love Synaptic. "You have 178 broken packages on your system" |
| 11:28.58 | azeem | Enverex: at this point, nobody followed the conversatoin |
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| 11:29.25 | azeem | so better ask "can somebody running wine on stable or testing please try $FOO" |
| 11:30.31 | Enverex | azeem, True but it's easier to talk when you know who you're talking to... else you get people submitting bad results because they didn't read the question right in the first place, at least when adressing specific people you can make sure first... |
| 11:30.44 | Manas | install irda-utils, insert irda-port on USB, check var/log/messages, there look my irda, later include irda on my mobile and put by irda, check cat/proc/irda/discovery he empty... what make? |
| 11:31.05 | Manas | who know? |
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| 11:32.03 | shingouz | Manas: you have irda0 on your system now, check with ifconfig -a. if you want to have it working as a serial port, i do not know. also, what is your native language? |
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| 11:32.04 | Manas | mobile not find ( |
| 11:32.42 | azeem | Enverex: most people in here will not bother to answer to generic requests, the more they know, the less likely they will |
| 11:32.46 | shingouz | Manas: irda0 is a network interface, not serial like the mobile usualy likes |
| 11:32.54 | Enverex | Fair enough |
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| 11:34.02 | Enverex | Ok people, can anyone running Stable, Testing or Experimental that has Wine installed please do the following in the terminal "wine iexplore http://winehq.org" (if it asks to install Gecko click install). Then tell me if it displayed the page or not and what version of Debian you're on, thanks. |
| 11:35.28 | Thms | !paste |
| 11:35.28 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 11:36.33 | dextor | somebody use xinerama+suspend2? (sorry for my bad english) :) |
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| 11:37.02 | dextor | *using |
| 11:37.05 | Enverex | azeem, Thrilling response :/ Any ideas for channels where this may get more attention? |
| 11:37.50 | petemc | Enverex: are you a member of your local linux user group? |
| 11:37.51 | shingouz | dextor: just tell us what the problem is and someone will answer. do not poll |
| 11:38.03 | Manas | shingouz: my language russ, irda not find my mobile Siemens C75, but I install irda-utils and my kernel support irda |
| 11:38.04 | Enverex | petemc, There isn't one here, so that's not much use |
| 11:38.10 | petemc | start one! |
| 11:38.20 | Enverex | petemc, What does this have to do with anything? |
| 11:38.23 | petemc | doesnt solve your immediate problem, admittedly |
| 11:38.40 | petemc | Enverex: easy tiger, im just making conversation |
| 11:38.48 | shingouz | Manas: #debian-ru would be the place. the problem you have right now is that your irda is a network device, you need it to be a serial |
| 11:38.59 | Enverex | I need to get this sorted ASAP else Wine's likely to lose lots of functionality on Debian and Ubuntu and that's gonna make lots of hordes of angry newbies and I'm not in the state to deal with that |
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| 11:39.56 | abrotman | wtf |
| 11:40.13 | shingouz | abrotman: no wtf, i am really online :p |
| 11:40.25 | abrotman | you're always online! |
| 11:40.42 | shingouz | yea.. not at the keyboard though. most of the timee that is |
| 11:40.46 | apt_get | Hi . I'm using rrdtool to see some proc graphs in debian.. and confusing why in a clean debian install, every 10minutes from 01:00 to 06:00 have some high results in uptime load average |
| 11:41.18 | rossMoHaX | I'm building new raid 5 array right now (5 disks). According to "iostat -k 1" it reads from four disks and writes down to 5-th disk. does it mean that that disk is only one who contain checksums? I thought that RAID5 has checksums on all of disks |
| 11:41.52 | apt_get | like something load average: 1.90, 0.70, 0.33 |
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| 11:42.19 | stew | rossMoHaX: yes, if its really raid 5 the checksums are spread around all of the disks |
| 11:42.28 | petemc | apt_get: the db for locate is updated at some point |
| 11:42.38 | apt_get | hmmm |
| 11:42.43 | stew | but not every 10 minutes, that would be once at 6:25 |
| 11:42.49 | apt_get | but in cron only runs this in 06:25 |
| 11:42.49 | petemc | right |
| 11:43.04 | nvz | Enverex: wtf would you want to run MSIE on linux anyhow.. thats sick |
| 11:43.16 | Enverex | nvz, It's not MSIE |
| 11:43.25 | apt_get | 25 6 * * * root AND 17 * * * * root cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly |
| 11:43.28 | Manas | shingouz: #debian-ru - all lamers :), Debian find irda, this see in log /var/log/messages, irda not see mobile this problem |
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| 11:43.55 | nvz | I find there is virtually nothing some plugins running through crossover and a user-agent switcher plugin can't handle that lies and says firefox/linux is MSIE7/Vista |
| 11:44.21 | Enverex | nvz, Did you even read my response? |
| 11:44.29 | Enverex | Do you even know what I'm trying to do? |
| 11:45.02 | nvz | Enverex: I read run iexplorer which last I checked is MSIE |
| 11:45.11 | petemc | iexplore |
| 11:45.20 | shingouz | Manas: your mobile wants a serial line. you need to connect to it from /dev/ttySX not irdaX |
| 11:45.21 | Enverex | nvz, I really don't have time for this. It's NOT MS IE |
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| 11:45.33 | azeem | Enverex: are you using winehq packages or Debian packages? |
| 11:45.52 | Enverex | azeem, Building manually from GIT |
| 11:46.06 | azeem | Enverex: did you try stock packages? |
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| 11:46.45 | Enverex | azeem, No, Wine's packages are bastardised on Debian so people are told immediately to upgrade to a normal one before asking for help. Plus the ones in Debian's official repos are very out of date. |
| 11:47.05 | Enverex | azeem, I tried the Ubuntu Feisty package though (as WineHQ doesn't have an x86_64 package for Debian) and that had the same behavior. |
| 11:47.07 | azeem | Enverex: what is current right now? |
| 11:47.22 | Enverex | azeem, 0.9.40 will be released in a day or two, or possibly today |
| 11:47.29 | azeem | Enverex: what is current right now? |
| 11:47.37 | Enverex | 0.9.39 obviously |
| 11:47.38 | Manas | shingouz: My mobile not see irda, I look /cat/proc/irda/discovery is empty :( |
| 11:47.44 | azeem | okk |
| 11:47.53 | Enverex | .34 is the latest in Debian |
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| 11:48.30 | shingouz | Manas: yes i understand. do you understand that your mobile CANNOT SEE a network device? it needs a SERIAL. |
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| 11:50.09 | shingouz | Manas: i am not sure but try modprobing irtty-sir and see if you get a serial port with taht. if you have, point your access software to that |
| 11:50.23 | azeem | did you try ircomm-tty? |
| 11:51.00 | shingouz | Manas: ircomm-tty is a good one too. never tried to hack the infrared for a mobile phone |
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| 11:51.44 | Enverex | Does anyone in this channel actually run testing? |
| 11:51.51 | stew | Enverex: lots of people |
| 11:51.55 | nvz | If My phone ran debian, I'd never get anything done |
| 11:52.11 | Enverex | stew, What do you run? |
| 11:52.25 | stew | Enverex: stable, testing, unstable |
| 11:52.40 | stew | and sarge |
| 11:52.42 | Enverex | stew, Can you do me a favour then and do what I asked earlier? |
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| 11:52.57 | stew | Enverex: sorry, no |
| 11:53.17 | Enverex | Guess getting help from this channel is going to be like getting blood out of a stone |
| 11:53.37 | nvz | I don't see what your issue has to do with anyone in this channel |
| 11:54.09 | nvz | you should have a debian system to test on if thats what you want.. get vmware player and one of their vms of debian testing |
| 11:54.29 | Enverex | Oh, excuse me for thinking anyone else may actually be helpful... |
| 11:54.36 | Enverex | nvz, Wine loses networking ability on Sid. When the Sid package that causes this issue filters down through the other versions of Debian then those systems will also lose networking in Wine |
| 11:54.49 | Manas | shingouz: My mobile support irda, I include irda on my mobile, and check this on winXP all works, but Debian not find my mobile :( |
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| 11:55.08 | nvz | Enverex: uh, so file a bug, take that up with the maintainer. |
| 11:55.11 | h3sp4wn | Enverex: You already said you are not using the debian packages |
| 11:55.18 | Enverex | nvz, It's not a maintainer issue |
| 11:55.51 | nvz | Enverex: its not our issue either.. we are humble users of debian packages which you aren't even using..and you are getting all huffy cause we won't test shit for you |
| 11:56.09 | Enverex | Try looking at the big picture |
| 11:56.13 | shingouz | Manas: would you please read my responses? |
| 11:56.30 | stew | Enverex: if you think there is a bug in the debian package, please file a bug. It would also get the benefit for you of other people actually testing the scenario you are describing, and telling you about any workarounds they find |
| 11:56.56 | nvz | I am looking at a big picture you painted where you think we are guinea pigs for your experiments instead of getting yourself your own lab |
| 11:57.11 | Enverex | stew, I already pointed out it's not an issue with the Debian package, it occurs even if you build from source but this bug ONLY occurs on Debian Sid. No other distro, no other version. |
| 11:57.18 | Enverex | I am trying to track down WHAT in Sid causes this |
| 11:57.42 | Enverex | nvz, Look, seriously if all you're going to do is try and piss me off then just **** off |
| 11:57.42 | stew | Enverex: yeah, well, then file a bug, and hopefully others will help get the bug reassigned if its not a problem with wine itself |
| 11:57.50 | stew | Enverex: nvz: use ignore |
| 11:58.07 | ace____ | how can i conduct a remote login session using x-windows env |
| 11:58.09 | Manas | shingouz: Siemens C75 + irda + WinXP == work |
| 11:58.26 | Enverex | stew, I was hoping to find the issue sooner before it spreads to places like Ubuntu or testing Debian which will make this an absoloute nightmare |
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| 11:59.07 | shingouz | Manas: listen to me now very carefully: you need a serial connection to the phone. irda0 is a network connection. ircomm-tty and see if you get a new nice /dev/ttyS on your system |
| 11:59.09 | nvz | ace____: ssh |
| 11:59.13 | stew | Enverex: then definately file a bug |
| 11:59.21 | nvz | ace____: sorry, I read without X |
| 11:59.31 | nvz | ace____: you want either rfb or vnc |
| 11:59.35 | stew | ace____: look for documentation on xdcmp |
| 12:00.01 | Enverex | stew, I'm concerned about a ping pong situation though. Debian devs will claim it's a Wine bug and needs to be taken up/filed there and Wine's gonna throw it back to Debian because that's the only place it ever happens |
| 12:00.50 | stew | Enverex: so its better to keep this a secret from the debian maintainers? |
| 12:00.52 | shingouz | Enverex: it is not a debian bug if it occurs even when you compile from pure wine sources like you just said |
| 12:01.05 | ace____ | okay cheers |
| 12:01.11 | shingouz | file a bug and be done with it ffs... |
| 12:01.29 | Enverex | shingouz, It only occurs on Debian Sid, no other distros, no other versions. I'm GOING to file a bug, jesus christ you people need to calm down. |
| 12:01.32 | unlink | sound is gone after suspend, and only a module remove/reload will bring it back (Linux version 2.6.21-1-amd64 (Debian 2.6.21-4) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20070518 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-8)) #1 SMP Sat May 26 17:22:54 CEST 2007) |
| 12:01.33 | stew | or its a bug with some other package, in which case, hopefully the wine maintainers will help find which package to reassign the bug to |
| 12:01.45 | Enverex | stew, I'm guessing that's the case |
| 12:01.51 | nvz | ace____: if you want to actually have a login screen remotely, you can probably enable xdcmp from your display-manager's login screen under the config option |
| 12:02.14 | stew | unlink: that's common |
| 12:02.24 | unlink | stew: i know :\ |
| 12:02.39 | unlink | stew: you'd think there'd be a readily available fix |
| 12:02.40 | stew | unlink: write a suspend script that removes the module, then suspends, then loads the module |
| 12:02.42 | shingouz | unlink: a nice dirty option is to put a modprobe -r /modprobe in your suspend script ;) |
| 12:02.50 | Manas | shingouz: tell me about serial please |
| 12:03.03 | shingouz | Manas: modprobe ircomm-tty already |
| 12:03.07 | unlink | stew: it's not trivial to simply remove the module, as an arbitrary number of processes might be using it |
| 12:03.56 | stew | unlink: using alsa? /etc/init.d/alsa stop |
| 12:04.39 | Manas | shingouz: ircomm-tty ? |
| 12:04.57 | nvz | seems you just tripped on the answer.. you need to /etc/init.d/alsa restart on the resume |
| 12:04.57 | shingouz | Manas: yes. for the fourth or fifth time |
| 12:04.57 | ace____ | nvz i just want to export the client console for netbackup for solaris 8 |
| 12:05.06 | war | netbackup :] |
| 12:05.08 | nvz | either that or stop on suspend, and start on resume |
| 12:05.09 | Enverex | stew, shingouz nvz : Just for the record, the same happens with the Debian package (from Debian's own repos). |
| 12:05.14 | unlink | stew: unload? |
| 12:05.34 | nvz | ace____: you want to view a session that is already running remotely? |
| 12:05.34 | unlink | stew: unload has the same limitations of modprobe -r |
| 12:05.53 | ace____ | correct |
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| 12:06.14 | ma3x | how do you mount a partition over the lan? |
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| 12:06.23 | nvz | ace____: then install the rfb package, and run x0rfbserv on that desktop, then use a standard vnc viewer remotely to connect to it |
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| 12:06.33 | shingouz | must be sunday somewhere. i need to go kick the trashcan. back when the trashcan is unconscious |
| 12:06.43 | screenn | ma3x: nfs |
| 12:06.48 | ace____ | okay cheers |
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| 12:06.52 | stew | unlink: '/etc/init.d/alsa force-unload' doesn't have this limitation |
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| 12:07.29 | stew | ma3x: what type of network filesystem is it? |
| 12:07.31 | unknow990 | Hello, |
| 12:07.32 | Manas | shingouz: tell me please for ircomm-tty |
| 12:07.35 | unlink | stew: correct, but that forcibly stops all processes using sound |
| 12:07.39 | stew | unlink: yes |
| 12:07.57 | unknow990 | anybody that can help me with configuration of mail gateway?? |
| 12:08.12 | ma3x | stew, i have ext 1 partition on pc1 and another ext on pc2. i connect them with lan cable i wanna transfer some files |
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| 12:08.30 | nvz | Enverex: all I'm trying to say is you gotta do things the right way to get help. You need to file a bug, you can try getting interested people on mailing lists debian-users, wine mailing list..etc and you need to setup your own sandbox to do testing, run diffs/checksums, traces..etc to narrow the problem down. Someone in here running arbitrary commands for you solves absolutly nothing |
| 12:08.35 | ma3x | must i use rcp |
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| 12:08.59 | stew | ma3x: you can export the volume using nfs or use sshfs |
| 12:09.22 | nvz | Enverex: I understand the whole idea that you are concerned about the problem escalating and the devs upstream and in debian bouncing the issue around, but you gotta put the ball in the court to see what will happen.. this is the wrong court |
| 12:09.24 | shingouz | Manas: modprobe ircomm-tty |
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| 12:09.51 | ma3x | stew, i dont wanna export it, just preview the files and copy what i need |
| 12:09.57 | ma3x | does export copy the whole? |
| 12:10.13 | Manas | shingouz: modprobe ??? |
| 12:10.33 | shingouz | Manas: yes. modprobe. a command. read the manual |
| 12:10.37 | stew | ma3x: export does something similar to making it a windows share, if you are familiar with that. it would let you mount it on your other machine as if it were a local filesystsm |
| 12:10.56 | unknow990 | anybody that can help with the mail gateway ?? |
| 12:11.15 | stew | ma3x: if you don't want that, perhaps sshfs, (which achieves something similar, via a different means, and doesn't require server side configuration) |
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| 12:11.38 | unknow990 | anybody that knows request tracker? |
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| 12:11.54 | ma3x | stew, i'll go for sshfs |
| 12:12.07 | Manas | shingouz: active irda on phone? I test this |
| 12:12.58 | shingouz | Manas: no. modprobe ircomm-tty on your frigging computer! |
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| 12:13.26 | ma3x | stew, what about rcp? that could copy over ssh too |
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| 12:13.53 | shingouz | Manas: one more time: your computer CANNOT SEE your phone now. you need to get a serial interface on your computer, not a network interface |
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| 12:14.31 | stew | ma3x: no, rcp copies over rsh, scp copies over ssh |
| 12:14.38 | ma3x | stew, does sshfs mount it as read only or i can change things on the network partition |
| 12:14.57 | stew | ma3x: read-write |
| 12:15.03 | Manas | shingouz: how install serial interfac? |
| 12:15.29 | azeem | Manas: do you have the ircomm-tty module loaded? |
| 12:16.11 | shingouz | is it sunday already? <mumblegrumble> |
| 12:16.24 | Manas | azeem: not ( |
| 12:16.29 | azeem | Manas: then load it |
| 12:17.02 | ma3x | stew, when i type rcp it's a synonym of scp |
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| 12:17.28 | Manas | azeem: install this pack paircomm-tty ? |
| 12:17.33 | azeem | Manas: no |
| 12:17.39 | azeem | Manas: load the kernel module ircomm-tty |
| 12:17.49 | azeem | ma3x: that doesn't mean the concept of rcp is synonym, just that ssh provides rcp as well |
| 12:17.52 | Manas | azeem: aa |
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| 12:18.31 | Manas | azeem: my kernel support ircomm-tty, I check |
| 12:18.40 | ma3x | how do i rip audio cd to wav tracks? |
| 12:18.57 | stew | ma3x: ssh was written as an rsh replacement that is secure (rsh does everything in plaintext), so by default debian ships ssh to be an alternative to rsh. you probably having install rsh yet (not many people do, most people just use ssh/scp since it is secure) |
| 12:19.01 | simonrvn | shingouz: nope. friedday |
| 12:19.05 | azeem | ma3x: there's plenty of tools doing that |
| 12:19.15 | ma3x | azeem, suggest some please |
| 12:19.18 | shingouz | i've been away too long... |
| 12:19.19 | ma3x | something simple |
| 12:19.29 | azeem | ma3x: sound-juicer |
| 12:20.01 | ma3x | azeem, there is a thing in konq that allows you to browse audiocd:/ i know it's a plugin, but does it use a command line? |
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| 12:20.54 | Enverex | Does Thunderbird 2 not support or have PGP/GPG support yet? |
| 12:21.15 | Bushmills | what is the program i'd want to look at its config for launching usbnet upon insertion of a usbnet-capable device? |
| 12:21.59 | abrotman | Enverex: icedove you mean ? |
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| 12:22.16 | Manas | azeem: thanks |
| 12:22.18 | eifzon | how is x64 version working on c2d? |
| 12:23.07 | Manas | shingouz: thanks |
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| 12:23.29 | hark | Enverex: there's the enigmail extension |
| 12:23.43 | azeem | ma3x: why do you ask me? |
| 12:23.54 | ma3x | forget |
| 12:24.07 | Enverex | hark, Only for 1.5 is seems, not 2.x |
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| 12:24.52 | xand | Enverex: why are you asking here? |
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| 12:25.17 | Enverex | xand, Because I'm browsing through Synaptic... |
| 12:25.19 | eifzon | Can anyone help me so i can use flash on my x64 (core2duo)? :) |
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| 12:25.29 | abrotman | Enverex: in synaptic it would be icedove .. not TB2 |
| 12:25.47 | hark | Enverex: no, it works afaik |
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| 12:28.43 | simonrvn | eifzon: AFAIK you don't |
| 12:28.54 | Enverex | abrotman, Force of habit to call it that |
| 12:28.55 | eifzon | smiler: i heard it work |
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| 12:29.04 | stew | eifzon: what version of debian are you running? |
| 12:29.13 | Enverex | hark, Last time I tried it wanted to uninstall 2.x and reinstall 1.5 |
| 12:29.24 | hark | wonder what sunbird will be called :) |
| 12:29.34 | Enverex | hark, Ah, it's been upgraded |
| 12:29.35 | simonrvn | icepoo |
| 12:29.40 | Enverex | Moonweasel? |
| 12:29.44 | eifzon | stew: newest |
| 12:29.48 | eifzon | stew: think its etch |
| 12:30.20 | stew | eifzon: then you can try to backport gnash, or wait for someone to backport gnash: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 12:31.29 | Anoninon | ktwilight_: it really depends where you're at |
| 12:31.40 | ktwilight_ | yea i know |
| 12:31.41 | ma3x | stew, is scp fast as cp? or can you say in percentage if slower? |
| 12:31.43 | ktwilight_ | i'm in #linux :) |
| 12:31.51 | stew | ma3x: no and no |
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| 12:33.30 | azeem | ma3x: you mean if scp on a local machine? |
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| 12:33.33 | azeem | +you |
| 12:33.38 | Enverex | ... why would you do that? heh |
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| 12:34.04 | ma3x | azeem, yeah or on lan with 10 mbps connectivity |
| 12:34.26 | azeem | ma3x: how would you use `cp' over the lan to compare? |
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| 12:34.41 | ma3x | azeem, localhost |
| 12:35.02 | smacnay | Can a hard disk using lvm be mounted if it is plugged in externally through a usb device? |
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| 12:36.14 | ma3x | well you could use cp if you have nfs |
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| 12:36.27 | petemc | smacnay: vgscan and vgchange -ay |
| 12:36.43 | ma3x | but in most cases that's what i had in mind on a local machine |
| 12:36.48 | smacnay | petemc: thanks |
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| 12:39.06 | prestwick | Hey guys, trying to install Debian 4.0 on my PC via the network install. Everything installs okay but depite choosing GRUB and then LILO, neither of them will boot Debian. Both merely hang after listing "GRUB" or "LILO 22.6.1 Loading Linux." Debian is the only thing on my hard disk. |
| 12:40.13 | prestwick | Anyone know how I can get Debian to boot? |
| 12:40.42 | ma3x | prestwick, yeah it happens- install in expert mode |
| 12:40.44 | unlink | when i'm booting, it tries to mount /var/run and /var/lock before mounting /var |
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| 12:40.58 | unlink | which clearly won't work, since /var is not on my / filesystem |
| 12:41.19 | prestwick | Okay, but I get an error in expert mode when it tries to detect my on board network adapters. |
| 12:41.21 | unlink | is this a feature? |
| 12:41.43 | nvz | prestwick: gonna need more info to figure out what the problem is grub doesn't give an error code? |
| 12:41.44 | stew | unlink: what is trying to mount /var/run? mountall? |
| 12:42.03 | unlink | stew: i have RAMRUN and RAMLOCK in /etc/default/rcS |
| 12:42.20 | prestwick | NVZ: Neither Grub nor LILO give an error code, they just hang. |
| 12:43.28 | unlink | stew: i think it's /etc/init.d/mtab.sh |
| 12:44.38 | prestwick | ma3x: oh, its found the network adapters this time haha |
| 12:44.41 | nvz | prestwick: well they both give error codes even if they hang.. grub says loading stage.. blah and LILO each letter of the LILO is a stage if its hanging at the last stage its failed to copy the kernel into memory and/or decompress it |
| 12:44.48 | stew | unlink: and where in /etc/rcS is this running? |
| 12:45.07 | prestwick | NVZ: Grub literally just posts "GRUB" just after post and then hangs and does nothing. |
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| 12:46.09 | nvz | prestwick: hmm. sounds like its not reading the boot partiton at all then |
| 12:46.26 | nvz | prestwick: details about the drive you are installing to might be important to mention here |
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| 12:47.10 | ma3x | prestwick, expert mode installs well |
| 12:47.16 | unlink | stew: it's a standard debian unstable setup. i think S12mtab.sh, which of course is before S35mountall |
| 12:47.27 | prestwick | nvz: Oh, sorry, I am currently using a Maxtor Diamondmax 9 80gb IDE drive |
| 12:47.42 | nvz | prestwick: you also need to make sure your BIOS doesnt have some kind of virus protection or something stupid like that interfering |
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| 12:48.31 | prestwick | Would SMART interfere? |
| 12:48.35 | nvz | prestwick: sounds standard hardware.. any special kind of controller card? what fs did you use? |
| 12:48.39 | nvz | prestwick: shouldnt |
| 12:49.15 | prestwick | I used the one Debian set up for me, EXT3 I think. No controller cards or on board RAID. |
| 12:49.18 | stew | unlink: wait, mtab.sh doesn't actually mount anything, does it? |
| 12:49.30 | simonrvn | no, cleans up mtab IIRC |
| 12:49.48 | nvz | prestwick: so you installed the bootloader onto the MBR /dev/hda then |
| 12:50.06 | nvz | prestwick: and there is no bios virus protection or it is disabled? |
| 12:50.10 | unlink | stew: on line 121 i have domtab tmpfs /var/run "varrun" -omode=0755,nosuid$RUN_OPT |
| 12:50.13 | prestwick | Yep and yep |
| 12:50.27 | unlink | stew: which goes back to line 62: mount -f -t $1 $OPTS $4 $NAME $2 < /dev/nul |
| 12:51.07 | prestwick | The motherboard has SATA and IDE ports and I was using a SATA drive until recently. Would that have any bearing on the problem? |
| 12:51.52 | nvz | prestwick: hmm shouldnt. if we are using solely PATA Ide for this install.. the mbr and boot/root partition are on the same drive right? |
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| 12:53.13 | prestwick | Yep |
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| 12:58.44 | nvz | prestwick: idk every possibility I can think of shouldnt be happening on your hardware.. your bios should be new enough to see the drive and access it entirely.. might be something wrong with /boot/grub/device.map |
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| 12:59.06 | nvz | prestwick: a generic test to rule out size issues would be to make a small /boot partition on the beginning of the drive |
| 12:59.49 | nvz | prestwick: if that solves the problem then you need a bios upgrade. make sure your bios can see the 80gb drive and is using LBA |
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| 13:00.32 | prestwick | Okay then, I'll have a look at it |
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| 13:02.18 | nvz | prestwick: usually a small 15-50mb /boot partition will solve these sorts of issues |
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| 13:03.07 | nvz | prestwick: most all possible situations I can think of causing this problem should not only not be happening on a system new enough to have SATA onboard.. but should be reporting some kind of error code from either LILO or GRUB |
| 13:04.28 | tdonahue-laptop | hi all, i just made myself a mirror of etch with apt-mirror and was looking to install from that mirror, but the net install iso is looking for stable, not etch |
| 13:04.41 | prestwick | Okay then |
| 13:04.52 | tdonahue-laptop | would the best way be to just ln etch stable? |
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| 13:07.49 | cydork | tdonahue-laptop: "ln etch stable"? |
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| 13:09.01 | cydork | tdonahue-laptop: aah.. just create a link from etch in your mirror. |
| 13:09.22 | stew | unlink: man mount, lookup what -f does |
| 13:09.45 | tdonahue-laptop | cydork, yeah, that probably should have been in backticks... |
| 13:10.34 | eifzon | what nvidia-driver is best for my nvidia geforce 7950gt? |
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| 13:11.53 | MoDaX | eifzon: the newest |
| 13:12.15 | MoDaX | !info nvidia-glx |
| 13:12.16 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary Xorg driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 100.14.09-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4139 kB, Installed size: 13172 kB |
| 13:12.27 | unlink | stew: perhaps then it is /etc/rcS.d/S02mountkernfs.sh that does it: domount tmpfs "" /var/run varrun -omode=0755,nosuid$RUN_OPT |
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| 13:12.44 | eifzon | MoDaX: can i get it with apt-get ? |
| 13:13.01 | MoDaX | yeah, if you're on unstable |
| 13:13.10 | eifzon | MoDaX: i got etch |
| 13:13.15 | prestwick | Ah, I reinstalled and now it works. Strange. |
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| 13:13.42 | MoDaX | then it would be more difficult |
| 13:14.03 | MoDaX | there is nvidia-glx in etch |
| 13:14.07 | humbolto | I had the following in my grub menu.lst: # kopt=root=/dev/sda1 ro #clock=pit nosmp noapic nolapic |
| 13:14.11 | MoDaX | if it works, use it |
| 13:14.24 | prestwick | Argh, and now I need to configure xorg! |
| 13:15.14 | Bushmills | trying run usbnet upon connecting my inet, i am toying with an udev rule, added to /etc/udev/rules.d. simplified it to BUS="usb", ACTION="add", PROGRAM="/usr/bin/touch /tmp/usbdeviceadded" and reloading udev, i'd expected it to create /tmp/usbdeviceadded when i connect just any usb device. but it doesn't. i think i am missing something here. hints? |
| 13:15.19 | eifzon | MoDaX: but i cant use dualview there i thin |
| 13:15.27 | humbolto | Unfortunately update-grub added the stuff behind #clock... to the kernel options as well. |
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| 13:15.49 | nvz | prestwick: oh stfu.. debian's debconf is way nicer than xf86config was back when I first started using X |
| 13:15.50 | humbolto | how can I find out, which boot options were actually recognized at boot? |
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| 13:16.02 | karmatronic | eifzon: you can install from website its easiesr |
| 13:16.10 | humbolto | dmesg does not show what was appended |
| 13:16.18 | prestwick | Oh debconf? What is this debconf that you speak of?! |
| 13:16.21 | nvz | humbolto: less /var/log/dmesg its the first line |
| 13:16.22 | stew | unlink: that gets run if RAMRUN is set, do you know where RAMRUN is being set? |
| 13:16.38 | nvz | prestwick: its the debian configuration program that you see when you install packages that need configured |
| 13:16.48 | unlink | stew: /etc/default/rcS |
| 13:17.00 | stew | ahh |
| 13:17.05 | humbolto | nvz: no, dmesg does not show this! |
| 13:17.09 | eifzon | karmatronic: how? |
| 13:17.39 | nvz | humbolto: then you didn't append anything |
| 13:17.48 | prestwick | NVZ: How would I launch debconf to configure X then? |
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| 13:18.10 | karmatronic | eifzon: wget http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9639/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9639-pkg1.run |
| 13:18.14 | stew | prestwick: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:18.17 | nvz | humbolto: grep "Kernel command line" /var/log/dmesg |
| 13:18.26 | prestwick | stew: thanks |
| 13:18.29 | eifzon | karmatronic: i got x64 on c2d |
| 13:18.49 | stew | humbolto: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 13:18.52 | nvz | humbolto: apparently they've changed the way and time the command line appears in the kernel messages.. it used to be right at the top |
| 13:18.59 | karmatronic | eifzon: sorry? |
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| 13:19.12 | rossMoHaX | who knows any terminal emulator which could work via COM ports and has Xmodem file transfer protocol? |
| 13:19.19 | eifzon | karmatronic: then i shall not get x86? |
| 13:19.50 | nvz | grep -n "Kernel command line" /var/log/dmesg |
| 13:19.54 | nvz | 40:Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda1 ro |
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| 13:20.17 | simonrvn | you can also do cat /proc/cmdline |
| 13:20.31 | karmatronic | eifzon: you mean you have a 64 bits machine |
| 13:20.41 | karmatronic | eifzon: but with an intel processor ? |
| 13:20.42 | eifzon | karmatronic: core2duo |
| 13:20.44 | eifzon | yes |
| 13:20.51 | eifzon | Intel Core |
| 13:20.53 | nvz | simonrvn: yeah I can also dance a jig.. but I'm not going to :P |
| 13:21.11 | karmatronic | eifzon: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-ia64/1.0-5336/NVIDIA-Linux-ia64-1.0-5336-pkg1.run |
| 13:21.13 | Bushmills | rossMoHaX: minicom |
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| 13:21.26 | simonrvn | it's there, might as well use it ;p |
| 13:21.29 | prestwick | Right, we're in business, cheers. |
| 13:21.30 | stew | karmatronic: no, he doesnt have a ia64 |
| 13:21.30 | Bushmills | rossMoHaX: possibly picocom too, not sure about the ladder |
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| 13:22.27 | eifzon | karmatronic: what to do then |
| 13:22.29 | nvz | simonrvn: *nod* thats fuzzy logic though.. if that's the way things worked I'd pull a fire alarm every time I walked into a public building |
| 13:22.39 | stew | eifzon: you don't want to use that link, its not for your machine |
| 13:22.48 | simonrvn | nvz: only when you need it ;) |
| 13:22.51 | stew | eifzon: and afaik, running the nvidia intaller is recommended against |
| 13:23.36 | eifzon | stew: but i got x64 |
| 13:23.37 | rossMoHaX | Bushmills, thx a lot! minicom look pretty good |
| 13:23.46 | stew | eifzon: right, you have an amd64, not a ia64 |
| 13:23.52 | eifzon | NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.11-pkg2.run |
| 13:23.54 | eifzon | that one? |
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| 13:24.04 | dnanar | hi all ! |
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| 13:24.29 | simonrvn | all would say hi, but she left earlier |
| 13:24.39 | karmatronic | eifzon: you told me yuo had intel ,not amd , right ? |
| 13:25.05 | stew | karmatronic: yes, he has an intel core2duo |
| 13:25.07 | peregrine007 | why so many ways to remote desktop in debian, what's the *best* way |
| 13:25.07 | dnanar | i'm looking for a tool to know which programm is bind to a connection. When i do an "nmap 127.0.0.1" i've got some unknown open port and i don't know why -_-. May anyone help me please ? =) |
| 13:25.13 | stew | karmatronic: he does not have an itanium |
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| 13:25.17 | peregrine007 | <cringes in anticipation of response> |
| 13:25.24 | wols | dnanar: nestat |
| 13:25.25 | cast | dnanar: man netstat, man lsof |
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| 13:25.38 | wols | dnanar: never nmap localhost |
| 13:25.53 | Bushmills | peregrine007: there are so many fruit too. what is the best fruit? |
| 13:25.58 | cast | wols: why not? |
| 13:26.02 | peregrine007 | kiwi! |
| 13:26.11 | peregrine007 | clearly indisputable |
| 13:26.22 | kbrooks | I am informed that soon posessing or distributing "hacker tools" may soon be illegal in germany, given that they are working on a law for that. |
| 13:26.25 | peregrine007 | yummy and fun to say |
| 13:26.31 | simonrvn | peregrine007: so pick your kiwi and run with it (and don't smoosh it) |
| 13:26.32 | stew | kbrooks: please keep it on topic |
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| 13:27.30 | Bushmills | kbrooks: maybe they'll outlaw solder irons? |
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| 13:27.41 | simonrvn | kbrooks: sorry for the /msg but just keeping on topic |
| 13:27.44 | eifzon | stew: how to install that driver now? |
| 13:27.46 | peregrine007 | ah ok, rephrase of question: which form of remote desktop in linux gives the best responsiveness over a low bandwidth connection? |
| 13:27.57 | peregrine007 | assume kde |
| 13:28.01 | stew | eifzon: don't ask me |
| 13:28.14 | dnanar | wols & cast ok thanks =) |
| 13:28.36 | peregrine007 | forget that, use xfce gnome whatever, best performance most like being on the box |
| 13:28.40 | eifzon | stew: ok |
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| 13:28.50 | eifzon | anyone can help me install my nvidia x64? |
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| 13:29.56 | peregrine007 | still too fuzzy? |
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| 13:30.44 | cast | eifzon: i just ran the nvidia.com installer. worked great. etch. some people say you shouldn't do that. |
| 13:30.48 | peregrine007 | by your silence no doubt you mean that I should bite the bullet and use ssh and learn to love command line |
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| 13:31.28 | cast | peregrine007: you need x for some things, but if you really want to use debian properly get familar with the command line :) i think the majority of my tasks are completed with it |
| 13:31.29 | wols | peregrine007: freenx probably |
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| 13:31.59 | cast | s/properly/powerfully |
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| 13:32.24 | wols | karmatronic: why are you telling people to use the nvidia.com drivers? |
| 13:32.32 | peregrine007 | kk |
| 13:32.43 | wols | eifzon: we don't support that driver here |
| 13:32.51 | eifzon | ok wols |
| 13:32.51 | wols | !tell eifzon about nvidia |
| 13:33.16 | wols | debian has nvidia drivers in contrib/non-free. those are the only ones we support usually |
| 13:33.18 | karmatronic | wols: hum , cos i m a debian addict |
| 13:33.24 | wols | karmatronic: you are not |
| 13:33.35 | wols | cause you don't walk the debian way |
| 13:33.46 | karmatronic | wols: but that doesnt mean i must sacrify that not using latest driver |
| 13:34.10 | wols | karmatronic: in private you can do anything you want. in here when advising others, you should use the debian way |
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| 13:34.23 | karmatronic | wols: beeing a debian s fan doesnt mean never compiling anything |
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| 13:34.47 | wols | but it means to stay inside the packaging system and not break users systems |
| 13:34.54 | karmatronic | wols: i think giving support also implies giving several options |
| 13:35.08 | wols | the first option you gave was the wrong one however |
| 13:35.28 | karmatronic | wols: i agree with that and i apologize by the way |
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| 13:35.35 | karmatronic | wols: but that s not your point |
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| 13:36.13 | wols | my point is that you told people to use nvidia.com without any reason, thereby possibly breaking their systems int he future uneedlessly |
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| 13:36.45 | karmatronic | wols: a advise him to get nvidia latest driver cos |
| 13:36.55 | karmatronic | wols: the package nvida-glx was not in etch |
| 13:37.13 | wols | karmatronic: I said it's in ocntrib/non-free |
| 13:37.15 | wols | and there it is |
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| 13:37.49 | rossMoHaX | Does anybody know lightweight (not KDE or Gnome) GUI network configurator (just to setup dhcp/static, dns, ip, netmask, gateway)? |
| 13:37.52 | karmatronic | wols: ok you gave him an option , i gave him another one |
| 13:37.54 | wols | btw: the newest drivers currently are in debian. in sid. do a backport if necessary (for 8500 and 8600 mainly) |
| 13:38.04 | karmatronic | wols: so he has choice |
| 13:38.18 | karmatronic | wols: having choice is not the point of using linux? |
| 13:38.32 | wols | giving people bad advice isn't |
| 13:38.48 | stew | karmatronic: and the choice you gave him was to use an installer for a completely different architecture from the one he is running |
| 13:39.01 | simonrvn | options only matter if they're *good* options |
| 13:39.08 | karmatronic | wols: if you tell me i gave him bad advice cos i recommended the wrong downlad i ll agree |
| 13:39.11 | cast | rossMoHaX: not that i know about, but the syntax of /etc/network/interfaces is really trivial |
| 13:39.30 | wols | karmatronic: no. cause you circumvented the packaging system without any reason |
| 13:39.46 | karmatronic | wols: sorry , we wont agree |
| 13:40.02 | wols | so what was your reason? |
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| 13:40.30 | stew | i can't imagine this discussion is going to go anywhere useful... |
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| 13:41.05 | xBill | rossMoHaX: there is a tool called "rutilt", originally designed for configuring ralink-gpl-drivers, but it can also handle other cards |
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| 13:41.10 | karmatronic | wols: my reason was that lookin at the conversation gave me the feeling it reached a dead end , when installing through nvidia package is like a 3 command trick |
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| 13:43.12 | wols | eifzon: how is your nvidia installer going? |
| 13:43.22 | wols | or installation rather |
| 13:43.25 | eifzon | wols: hmm, like shit+ :p |
| 13:43.43 | wols | !tell eifzon about nvidia one-liner |
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| 13:44.42 | wols | eifzon: either that or you ask karmatronic about his way. for they way dpkg told you about you need config and non-free sources |
| 13:44.49 | eifzon | iok |
| 13:44.54 | wols | why ick? |
| 13:45.57 | PhorceP | I have a lenny install on a computer I do not have physical access to. Everything is on one partition. I need to force an fsck on reboot, however I need absolutely no prompts. Will -y do the trick and if so where do I specify it? |
| 13:46.18 | eifzon | wols: ? |
| 13:46.25 | eifzon | wols: what's ick |
| 13:46.26 | wols | eifzon: you said "ick" |
| 13:46.32 | eifzon | no, iok |
| 13:46.36 | eifzon | i should write: ok |
| 13:46.42 | wols | oops. you said "iok". whatever that means |
| 13:46.49 | eifzon | :P |
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| 13:47.20 | wols | PhorceP: touch /forcefsck will fsck that fs on next boot. I dunno about any prompts tho |
| 13:47.46 | wols | stew: what I wanted to ask you: how does grub determine if the kernel loaded successfully with his fallback method? |
| 13:47.56 | wols | e.g. that it can mount the root fs and such via init? |
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| 13:48.14 | stew | wols: i've wondered myself |
| 13:48.51 | stew | wols: i've actually only used it on headless, remote boxes, so i haven't even seen it in person, i've only seen the results |
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| 13:49.07 | wols | what kind of errors did it catch? |
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| 13:51.18 | karmatronic | eifzon: ok let s go the debian way then :) |
| 13:52.10 | stew | heh, "Score is -10142" i guess aptitude really doesn't want to do this :) |
| 13:52.37 | rossMoHaX | I've no dch tool, where I could find it? |
| 13:52.58 | stew | rossMoHaX: devscripts (/msg dpkg apt-file) |
| 13:53.09 | cydork | stew: what were you trying to do? :) |
| 13:53.35 | tvynr | I'm on a fresh Lenny install and I can't get schroot, dchroot, or fakechroot to work properly. I'd provide more information before asking for help, but I'm not sure what to give; each program is giving a different set of error messages, none of which I understand or have seen before. |
| 13:53.40 | stew | cydork: install gnash on an sorta out of date sid box |
| 13:53.53 | stew | cydork: and that was the highest, i saw alternatives as low as -15000 |
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| 13:54.21 | cydork | stew: -15000??? lowest i have seen was -5000 something :) |
| 13:54.29 | yopyop | anyone know where i can get help with saslauthd and ldap ? there is no doc on package |
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| 13:54.59 | stew | cydork: well it decided that not only could i not have gnash, but it was going to remove a bunch of other random packages just for having me ask it to do anything |
| 13:55.16 | fasta | Iceweasel crashed more in the last month than it did in the years before. Am I the only one with those issues? |
| 13:55.26 | stew | cydork: friday night is upgrade night, i'll sort it all out later |
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| 13:55.35 | cydork | stew: :) |
| 13:56.00 | stew | cydork: i only upgrade on friday or saturday so i have two days to get things working for monday |
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| 13:56.07 | andypandy | hi |
| 13:56.19 | tvynr | fasta: I've noticed an increasing instability as well. I'm assuming that v2.0 has some shaky bits that need ironed out. |
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| 13:56.42 | stew | fasta: try removing some extensions/plugins |
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| 13:57.27 | cydork | stew: heh. |
| 13:57.44 | mancubus | How I may configure virtual interface(TUN/TAP) for my vserver? |
| 13:57.50 | andypandy | can a partition which is static be partitioned ie in my case ext3 /./dev/static/dev 10.3gb? |
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| 13:57.58 | fasta | The only value Firefox has to me is its adblock filters. |
| 13:58.06 | mancubus | I don't have free PHY interface for VServer =( |
| 13:58.06 | tvynr | Can anyone here who is running Lenny run this command without an error or warning? fakeroot fakechroot debootstrap --variant=fakechroot etch . 'http://http.us.debian.org/debian' |
| 13:58.07 | fasta | (via extensions) |
| 13:58.20 | fasta | Otherwise, I'd rather just run Konqueror. |
| 13:58.21 | tvynr | (Remember to replace . with the appropriate temporary directory) |
| 13:58.42 | shingouz | tvynr: try with fakeroot-sysv |
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| 13:59.08 | tvynr | shingouz: What is fakeroot-sysv? (apt-cache searching now...) |
| 13:59.19 | azeem | tvynr: it's in the fakeroot package |
| 13:59.25 | azeem | and it's what gets usually usd |
| 13:59.27 | Bushmills | fasta, wider range of useful extension are available for firefox |
| 13:59.27 | azeem | used* |
| 13:59.32 | shingouz | tvynr: it should be installed if you installed fakeroot |
| 13:59.48 | andypandy | stew: any ideas on my question please |
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| 14:00.14 | shingouz | for some reason or other my sid did install fakeroot nicely but does not have anything called "fakeroot" in it. "fakeroot-sysv" is and works perfectly |
| 14:00.17 | stew | andypandy: i didn't understand your question |
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| 14:00.35 | tvynr | azeem, shingouz: I'll give that a try. One problem, however, is that I can't schroot or dchroot either. |
| 14:00.57 | shingouz | neva hoid of them :s |
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| 14:01.34 | wols | andypandy: what partition would /dev/static/dev ? be exactly? |
| 14:01.49 | andypandy | stew: ok I have etch running on vmware workstation and i want to set up loop-aes can I partition the 10.3 gig partirion to make it smaller for example |
| 14:02.09 | tvynr | shingouz, azeem: Ah ha. /usr/bin/fakeroot -> /etc/alternatives/fakeroot -> /usr/bin/fakeroot-sysv ... any other suggestions? |
| 14:02.16 | cast | andypandy: dm-crypt is in the kernel, not that i'm saying don't use loop-aes or anything :) |
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| 14:02.29 | wols | if you already have a partition you can't sub partition it. only drives can be partitioned |
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| 14:03.25 | stew | andypandy: what about /./dev/static/dev? what were you asking about that? |
| 14:03.47 | tvynr | shingouz, azeem: Running either schroot or dchroot produces "E: locale::facet::_S_create_c_locale name not valid" |
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| 14:04.08 | shingouz | tvynr: you sure your locales are correct? |
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| 14:04.28 | tvynr | shingouz: The locales package is installed and configured. I'll configure it again. |
| 14:04.34 | whazilla | whats beryll for debian chan ? |
| 14:04.59 | shingouz | tvynr: just to be on the safe side... honestly i have no idea what is the real problem, just trying to bounce some ideas off you |
| 14:05.14 | stew | whazilla: i doubt one exists |
| 14:05.20 | azeem | tvynr: no idea |
| 14:05.33 | whazilla | stew really ? |
| 14:05.36 | whazilla | :$ |
| 14:05.39 | tvynr | shingouz: Oh, I understand. I have no idea what the real problem is either. Honestly, the only reason I haven't reverted to Etch and waited it out at this point is because I'm trying to track down the source of all of this so I can submit a bug report. |
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| 14:05.46 | andypandy | stew: i want to encrypt it with loop-aes (that comes with etch in the packages but I think I will need to reinstall etch I cannot seem to find any howto's |
| 14:05.55 | shingouz | tvynr: more power to you |
| 14:06.02 | stew | andypandy: are you talking about /dev/.static/ ? or what? |
| 14:06.19 | stew | andypandy: becuase that cannot be on another partition, and it wouldn't make much sense to encrypt it |
| 14:06.34 | whazilla | so whats the latest desktop effects for debian ? |
| 14:06.38 | whazilla | still beryll ? |
| 14:06.41 | wols | whazilla: just ask your question. if we can, we will answer it |
| 14:06.49 | wols | !info beryl |
| 14:06.52 | shingouz | well... when it goes offline i do not think i stumble here again today. tomorrow maybe before we fly to phuket for the weekend :p |
| 14:06.52 | whazilla | got a howto for beryll ? |
| 14:06.53 | stew | whazilla: beryl has never been in debian |
| 14:07.00 | whazilla | o_0 |
| 14:07.03 | Bushmills | oh ... i found the answer to my earlier udev question, if anybody cares to know. |
| 14:07.12 | wols | !beryl |
| 14:07.12 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 14:07.12 | tvynr | shingouz: So dpkg-reconfigure locales didn't fix it at all. I think the locales error is a red herring, though. I have a valid Debian root that, if I try to fakeroot fakechroot /usr/sbin/chroot into, I get the message "ERROR: ld.so: object 'libfakechroot.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored." |
| 14:07.16 | shingouz | Bushmills: try us ;) |
| 14:07.35 | wols | whazilla: see what dpkg |
| 14:07.39 | tvynr | shingouz: Do you know why that might be happening? I don't know how to find out *why* LD_libfakechroot.so can't be preloaded. |
| 14:07.39 | wols | ...said |
| 14:07.43 | Bushmills | i used assignments (=) where i should have use comparison (==) |
| 14:07.44 | whazilla | yah thkx wols |
| 14:07.49 | andypandy | stew: thanks I will take a look around |
| 14:07.58 | shingouz | tvynr: you run two fakeroots in the same command? maybe it does not like that |
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| 14:08.23 | tvynr | shingouz: You have to fakeroot fakechroot to be able to run chroot under fakeroot. fakechroot wraps a few additional libraries. |
| 14:08.50 | Bushmills | in addition, using PROGRAM= where RUN+= was due |
| 14:09.03 | shingouz | tvynr: you hurt my head. why not do that for real without the fakeroot? i mean, is there any advantage in what you try? |
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| 14:09.35 | montoya | Hi, I have this errors (or warnings) |
| 14:09.40 | stew | tvynr: i thought the whole point of fakechroot was to do the fakerooting for you |
| 14:09.42 | montoya | http://rafb.net/p/Ul4C0C79.html |
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| 14:09.53 | tvynr | shingouz: You mean why am I using "fakeroot fakechroot" at all? Because I don't want to need root privileges to set up a root on my machine. I'm working on developing a LiveCD and don't want the build script to be superuser. |
| 14:10.09 | kupesoft | If I buy an el cheapo usb sound dongle, (my built in VIA 8237 doesn't work) what are my odds it'll work? |
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| 14:11.01 | stew | tvynr: what happens if you use fakechroot without fakeroot? |
| 14:11.17 | tvynr | stew: Running "fakechroot debootstrap --variant=fakechroot etch . 'http://http.us.debian.org/debian'" produces the error message "debootstrap can only run as root". fakechroot does not wrap a superset of the libraries; it wraps an additional set to allow /usr/sbin/chroot to be faked. |
| 14:11.44 | stew | tvynr: well fakeroot isn't going to help with that |
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| 14:12.06 | shingouz | ok. the wife came home, looks like i gotta go :D |
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| 14:12.14 | tvynr | stew: Just for reference, this process was working brilliantly about a week ago. |
| 14:12.22 | tvynr | shingouz: 'kay, thanks for the help. :) |
| 14:12.35 | shingouz | tvynr: no problem :) |
| 14:13.14 | tvynr | stew: Not sure what changed in the last week exactly. I'm suspecting it might be libc6, which is now 2.5-9 and was 2.3.6 the last time I remember this working. |
| 14:13.28 | tvynr | AFAICT, 2.5-9 is in testing. |
| 14:13.49 | stew | tvynr: sounds like you should file a bug if none has been filed |
| 14:14.15 | jnorell | I'd like to use etch's encrypted root filesystem setup on a somewhat flaky laptop; am I just begging for total filesystem loss, or does encryption not make that any worse than unencrypted? |
| 14:14.16 | Bushmills | yes! usbnet powering up an connecting device on insertion. *happy* |
| 14:14.20 | Bushmills | on |
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| 14:14.41 | tvynr | stew: That's just the problem. I don't know against what to file the bug. I'm trying to track down a specific source of the problem. Or should I just file it and let someone else sort it out? |
| 14:15.05 | tvynr | stew: Out of curiosity, do you know of any other libraries I could put into LD_PRELOAD to see if that's the hanging point in general? |
| 14:15.23 | stew | tvynr: strace or ltrace? |
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| 14:15.56 | tvynr | stew: Also, it may be unrelated, but on this most recent install of Lenny, I can't get nvidia-glx to work. The X server is claiming that the nVidia module isn't there even though I'm staring right at it. Not sure if that's important at all. |
| 14:16.01 | Enverex | Is there a command to list all the dependencies of a package (installed or not) and their versions? |
| 14:16.08 | tvynr | stew: I'll strace on the chroot thing and see what I get. |
| 14:16.52 | Bushmills | tvynr: "there" as in, as file on your disk, or loaded, seen with lsmod? |
| 14:17.07 | fasta | Bushmills: there is a webdevelop extension which seems nice, CustomizeGoogle is nice, but most of it is crap written by amateurs. |
| 14:17.26 | stew | Enverex: apt-cache depends packagename? |
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| 14:17.31 | fasta | Bushmills: I don't think there are 10 extensions that are good. |
| 14:17.39 | tvynr | Bushmills: The error message I'm getting is "(EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)" |
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| 14:17.46 | Bushmills | fasta: oh, you know all extensions? including the ones which i like? |
| 14:17.56 | tvynr | Bushmills: But the module itself exists (or existed; I'm running nv right now to try to fix the fakeroot thing) |
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| 14:18.00 | fasta | Bushmills: I looked at the "most popular" list. |
| 14:18.02 | Enverex | stew, That doesn't list the versions and I have a feeling it's missing some stuff... |
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| 14:18.23 | fasta | Bushmills: it might be that popular != good. |
| 14:19.01 | stew | Enverex: dpkg -s emacs21 | grep Depends |
| 14:19.01 | stew | Enverex: or look at grep-status from grep-dctrl |
| 14:19.02 | Bushmills | fasta, is windows popular? |
| 14:19.02 | sunkan | I purged the sudo package by accident, what is the configuration that is installed by d-i if you choose to disable root logins? |
| 14:19.17 | Enverex | stew, I mean I need it to list the currently installed version of the deps, not the version that it requires |
| 14:19.22 | Suprano | can you tell me if it is using savagefb, or vesafb? -> http://paste.debian.net/31654 |
| 14:19.29 | Bushmills | fasta: i avoided, for ambiguity reasons, the qualification "good" and called them "useful" |
| 14:19.51 | stew | Enverex: apt-cache depends packagename | awk '/Depends/{print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy |
| 14:19.52 | Bushmills | which is, again, something else then "popular" |
| 14:20.08 | Bushmills | than |
| 14:20.43 | fasta | Bushmills: ok, so, can you point me at a list that is good? |
| 14:20.52 | Enverex | stew, Great thanks |
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| 14:21.15 | Bushmills | fasta: not at a list, because what one considers useful is a matter of personal preferences and needs |
| 14:21.43 | Bushmills | fasta: i can accept that among those may be none which are useful to you, personally. |
| 14:21.50 | fasta | Bushmills: which one do you use? |
| 14:21.53 | fasta | ones* |
| 14:22.09 | egypcio | http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=118296441702631 |
| 14:22.12 | Bushmills | fasta: mind if i query you, that's a bit off topic |
| 14:22.20 | fasta | Bushmills: no, I don't mind. |
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| 14:23.30 | tvynr | stew: Well, strace works fine. Trying to figure out if the actual strace results will get me anywhere in figuring out what's causing the chroot problems. |
| 14:24.13 | mancubus | All, how I may unload module? |
| 14:24.25 | tvynr | mancubus: A kernel module? modprobe -r <name> |
| 14:24.47 | mancubus | tvynr, Yes. Thnx. |
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| 14:25.43 | Enverex | Can someone do me a favour and tell me if any of the packages referenced on this pastebin have anything to do with DNS resolution? |
| 14:25.44 | Enverex | http://pastebin.ca/595383 |
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| 14:27.50 | stew | Enverex: well gethostbyname(3) is in libc6 |
| 14:28.17 | printman | hi, does ipmasquerade is the best way for internet connection sharing over a small lan (without router) ? |
| 14:28.28 | Enverex | stew, Any others? |
| 14:28.57 | mancubus | Enverex, nslookup |
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| 14:29.23 | stew | Enverex: i can't imaging what else could possibly have to do with name resolution, even if i didn't look at that list |
| 14:29.30 | cydork | printman: yes. |
| 14:29.46 | Enverex | mancubus, Erm, I didn't see nslookup on that list |
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| 14:30.50 | printman | cydork: ok, thx - just a question default config is enough or there're rules to edit ? (i just wanna clients to be able to connect to the internet - web-msn-mail) |
| 14:31.00 | killux | does debian etch give the option if installing xfce instead of gnome? |
| 14:31.14 | cast | killux: yes. |
| 14:31.21 | Enverex | stew, Right, ok if those were depencencies for a 32bit app. If I'm on an x86_64 system it would be using libc6-i386 wouldn't it? (rather than lib32stdc++6) |
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| 14:31.34 | cast | killux: don't select 'desktop environment' and later on run aptitude install xorg xfce4 :) |
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| 14:32.03 | cydork | printman: defalt should be enough. |
| 14:32.12 | printman | cydork: ok, thx vm |
| 14:32.26 | killux | cast do you think ill see a difference between kde/gnome and xfce |
| 14:32.32 | cast | killux: yes. |
| 14:32.36 | shingouz | see ya later, sleep |
| 14:32.47 | shingouz | comanded by The Wife ;) |
| 14:32.51 | stew | Enverex: lib32stdc++6 are c++ libraries not c libraries. aiui, if you were on a x86_64 platform then you would be using libc6 for 64 bit apps and libc6-1386 for 32 bit apps |
| 14:33.04 | Enverex | Ok thanks |
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| 14:33.59 | killux | cast how come you said run aptitude instead of apt-get install |
| 14:34.14 | cast | !tell killux about aptitude |
| 14:34.19 | stew | killux: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 14:34.32 | mancubus | Can somebody help with TUN device creation? I loaded TUN module, but can't bid address on with "ifconfig tun0" |
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| 14:35.18 | killux | ok |
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| 14:35.32 | zck | hi |
| 14:35.43 | zck | please, a command-line program to burn iso cd images? |
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| 14:36.10 | tvynr | zck: wodim |
| 14:36.23 | zck | thx |
| 14:36.33 | Anoninon | cdrecord is my favorite. |
| 14:36.43 | stew | Anoninon: wodim is a fork of cdrecord |
| 14:37.05 | zck | wodim is't included in knoppix |
| 14:37.07 | Anoninon | I see , what is the difference ? |
| 14:37.14 | stew | Anoninon: (and cdrecord is not in debian any longer) |
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| 14:37.30 | zck | stew, why not? |
| 14:37.37 | Anoninon | stew: Note taken, how unfortunate. |
| 14:37.41 | stew | Anoninon: they forked it becuase the cdrecord author was hard to work with and started threatening lawsuits to debian developers |
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| 14:37.55 | zck | wow |
| 14:37.58 | Anoninon | Good choice |
| 14:37.58 | zck | what a pitty |
| 14:38.15 | Anoninon | I like the way debian does things. |
| 14:38.23 | Anoninon | As an organization |
| 14:38.32 | stoned | I like the chicken, I like the chicken! |
| 14:38.46 | stew | zck: if you are using knoppix, you should be seeking help in #knoppix |
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| 14:39.04 | stoned | good morning stew man |
| 14:39.08 | stew | stoned: aloha |
| 14:39.17 | stoned | whats going on this fine morning |
| 14:39.21 | stoned | I'm soooo happy! |
| 14:39.25 | stew | happy friday |
| 14:39.30 | stoned | happy new job |
| 14:39.39 | stoned | hehe, no more selling clothes and stackin pants |
| 14:40.05 | Anoninon | stoned: grats |
| 14:40.08 | stoned | thanks |
| 14:40.20 | zck | stew: ok, thx |
| 14:40.28 | r0dr1g0 | stoned: what's your new job ? |
| 14:40.37 | stoned | I also put an ad on craigslist, and someone called me, a $300 contract, to fix his network/pc |
| 14:40.52 | stoned | r0dr1g0: I now manage 7 techs at a PC repair shop |
| 14:41.14 | r0dr1g0 | good |
| 14:41.37 | stoned | right now only 1 store, but hopefuly down the road I'll be taking care of all the offices |
| 14:41.50 | stoned | it pays twice as much as I was making sellin clothes |
| 14:41.51 | stoned | hehe |
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| 14:44.05 | stoned | oh and they don't even drug test |
| 14:44.06 | stoned | :D |
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| 14:44.15 | Dewi | stoned: is that... unusual? |
| 14:44.21 | stoned | yup |
| 14:44.29 | stoned | normally everyone does a UA |
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| 14:44.41 | Dewi | stoned: .... why? |
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| 14:44.53 | stoned | cuz they don't want to hire irresponsible stoners |
| 14:44.58 | stoned | I dunno |
| 14:45.03 | rgsteele | Hey guys - I've got a goofy box that I don't manage using YP passwords. How can you go about changing one if you don't know what it currently is? For example, user foo doesn't know his password, so you 'su - foo' and then run 'passwd'. But, it prompts you for the existing one before it'll let you go any farther. Any ideas? |
| 14:45.03 | stoned | maybe cuz of insurance reasons |
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| 14:45.24 | Dantix | hi all, what is the name of the package that give me all the necessary to copile? |
| 14:45.27 | stoned | rgsteele: as root passwd foo |
| 14:45.27 | xand | rgsteele: change the password as root |
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| 14:45.45 | rgsteele | xand: Won't let me. |
| 14:45.45 | stoned | !b-e |
| 14:45.45 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential |
| 14:45.52 | xand | rgsteele: why not? |
| 14:46.08 | rgsteele | xand: passwd: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. |
| 14:46.12 | rgsteele | Seems like a PAM issue |
| 14:46.14 | Dewi | stoned: I hope that police state is confined to that bastion of democracy you've got there |
| 14:46.20 | rgsteele | But, it lets me do that just fine if I'm not root. |
| 14:46.21 | ricky | rgsteele: Isn't there a yppasswd or something? |
| 14:46.27 | Dewi | stoned: and that it isn't leaking out into the rest of the world too quickly |
| 14:46.28 | rgsteele | ricky: Maybe? :) |
| 14:46.52 | stoned | Dewi: I don't understand |
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| 14:47.12 | Dewi | stoned: I haven't heard of these drug testing employers outside the states |
| 14:47.16 | mancubus | I can't see tun0 interfaces after load tun module... What i need to check? |
| 14:47.17 | rgsteele | ricky: So there is. Thanks much. |
| 14:47.21 | Dewi | stoned: and I sure hope that's because that is where the insanity is confined |
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| 14:47.28 | ricky | :) |
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| 14:47.37 | stoned | Dewi: I'm lost |
| 14:48.04 | Dewi | stoned: well, I always thought things like urine / blood tests were medical records, and private |
| 14:48.10 | stew | stoned: i can translate for you, what he meant by his last line was, "wow, thats interesting, perhaps you and I should find a more appropriate channel to discuss this in" |
| 14:48.28 | stoned | stew: hehe, well I was trying to not discuss it |
| 14:48.33 | Dewi | yeah, I guess that must have been what I meant |
| 14:48.40 | rgsteele | stew: You speak so many languages so well! |
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| 14:48.54 | stew | rgsteele: years of online training |
| 14:49.03 | FrozenDawn | hi there ! |
| 14:49.06 | stoned | man stew is the shit |
| 14:49.07 | ricky | Hi! |
| 14:49.26 | stew | No manual entry for stew |
| 14:49.28 | stoned | at first I thought he was some old guy of like 50 |
| 14:49.41 | stoned | but i met him and hes like only 30 or something |
| 14:49.50 | stoned | I probably woulda said twenties |
| 14:49.55 | FrozenDawn | I am sorry, because I know the question I am about to ask can be found on google. I just could not manage to (this time ...) ^^' |
| 14:49.56 | stoned | but whatever you know, I was close |
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| 14:50.14 | stoned | I'm 26, and people say I sound like a 12 year old |
| 14:50.17 | stoned | so theres that |
| 14:50.20 | ricky | FrozenDawn: Just ask and see. |
| 14:50.49 | FrozenDawn | how do I upgrade my kernel without the compiling ? with an apt-get or the like ? |
| 14:50.57 | stoned | FrozenDawn: what kernel do you have? |
| 14:51.00 | stew | FrozenDawn: /msg dpkg upgrade kernel |
| 14:51.03 | Dewi | FrozenDawn: sure there are kernel packages called linux-image-* |
| 14:51.04 | stew | i'm 35 |
| 14:51.04 | stoned | FrozenDawn: just install the new kernel image |
| 14:51.13 | ricky | Wow, dpkg knows everything :) |
| 14:51.13 | stoned | stew: yeh thats messed up man |
| 14:51.14 | FrozenDawn | oh |
| 14:51.19 | FrozenDawn | thanks ^^ |
| 14:51.19 | stoned | stew: you look very youn |
| 14:51.20 | Anoninon | I'm 30teen. |
| 14:51.31 | Dewi | I'm 25 and I look and feel about 60 |
| 14:51.39 | Dewi | night all. |
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| 14:51.51 | stoned | g'night |
| 14:52.45 | gorun | anyone familiar with the session recorder Istanbul? video session recorded without sound,. how to set it right? |
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| 14:53.12 | gorun | stoned, its night over your side? what time? |
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| 14:53.29 | Dewi | gorun: that would be me. Brisbane australia, 1am |
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| 14:53.37 | stoned | no |
| 14:53.46 | stoned | I was saying night to Dewi |
| 14:53.52 | stoned | I'm in nyc man, daytime here |
| 14:53.55 | stoned | GMD-5 |
| 14:53.58 | stoned | T |
| 14:54.07 | gorun | Dewi, ho, i got it wrong. 1am and still awake. amazing. |
| 14:54.08 | stew | gorun: check /usr/share/doc/istanbul/ if you haven't already |
| 14:54.09 | rgsteele | I wish it was 1am here. I would be into the weekend. |
| 14:54.24 | stoned | hehe |
| 14:54.35 | stoned | rahul: I'm off today and tomorrow... /msg me |
| 14:54.48 | stoned | stew: you wanna go drink tonight? |
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| 14:54.54 | AnAnt | Hello, if I get a source package from Debian repos & build it under Ubuntu, then I found a bug, is it appropriate to report it to Debian guys ? |
| 14:54.57 | AnAnt | or should it be built/installed in Debian to do so ? |
| 14:55.26 | Dewi | AnAnt: repeat it under debian before reporting a bug, yeah |
| 14:55.35 | gorun | stew, yeah, took a look, no help there. |
| 14:55.43 | stoned | Dewi: go to bed already |
| 14:55.45 | stoned | ;) |
| 14:55.56 | stew | stoned: not tonight, mrs. stew has other plans for us |
| 14:56.06 | stoned | hehe, have fun budd |
| 14:56.10 | stew | AnAnt: you might email the maintainer and ask what he would like you to do |
| 14:56.13 | stoned | I'm gonna bug rahul then |
| 14:56.38 | Dewi | stoned: hehe. I'm not really going to bed, just getting off this channel before I piss off stew and others :) |
| 14:56.42 | AnAnt | stew: ok |
| 14:56.43 | stoned | nah |
| 14:56.49 | Dewi | but a good night to you all just the same :P |
| 14:56.55 | stoned | word man |
| 14:56.58 | stoned | I thought you was leavin |
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| 14:58.15 | scanf | I upgraded to etch |
| 14:58.20 | stoned | congrats |
| 14:58.29 | scanf | now cups-pdf doesn't work |
| 14:58.43 | stoned | !doesn't work |
| 14:58.43 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 14:59.06 | scanf | just an error saying "/usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf failed" |
| 14:59.39 | karmatronic | stoned: available for an off-optic question? |
| 14:59.51 | stoned | karmatronic: here or pm, sure |
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| 15:00.07 | karmatronic | stoned: do you do MAO? |
| 15:00.11 | stoned | mao? |
| 15:00.14 | scanf | permissions on that file are -rwsr-xr-- 1 root lp |
| 15:00.22 | karmatronic | stoned: home studio |
| 15:00.28 | scanf | but |
| 15:00.29 | stoned | karmatronic: yes I do |
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| 15:00.34 | stoned | karmatronic: and its fully debian based |
| 15:00.34 | azeem | scanf: did you read README.Debian, or so? |
| 15:00.39 | karmatronic | stoned: what do you use ? |
| 15:00.48 | scanf | azeem yes not very specific |
| 15:00.58 | azeem | or checked the BTS |
| 15:00.58 | karmatronic | stoned: i mean obvisoulsy you ll use ardour+jack+hydrogen |
| 15:01.07 | stoned | karmatronic: I use hydrogen advanced drumkit for linux to do my drums, I use audacity to record and multitrack |
| 15:01.14 | stoned | karmatronic: there are some other tools I use too |
| 15:01.21 | stoned | not ardour/jack |
| 15:01.28 | stoned | just alsa/dmix |
| 15:01.29 | karmatronic | stoned: dont like ardour? |
| 15:01.35 | scanf | what is interesting is |
| 15:01.36 | stoned | I've never heard of it |
| 15:01.37 | karmatronic | stoned: it s damn cool |
| 15:01.38 | scanf | sudo ls -l /var/spool/cups-pdf/ |
| 15:01.48 | scanf | drwxr-x--x 2 root lpadmin |
| 15:01.50 | karmatronic | stoned: ardour= protools for linux |
| 15:02.04 | scanf | why? |
| 15:02.07 | Anoninon | karmatronic: how is its stability ? |
| 15:02.11 | blackbart | I've noticed some docs in /usr/share/doc/ are gzipped. If I gunzip them, will it confuse the dpkg if I want to remove the package? |
| 15:02.11 | karmatronic | stoned: but my question was more hardware specific |
| 15:02.13 | azeem | scanf: why what? |
| 15:02.23 | stoned | karmatronic: I'll look it up. Here is a sample of the audio quality and capability of such software on debian... http://youfuck.mypets.ws/music/Mortal.mp3 |
| 15:02.26 | karmatronic | Anoninon: works perfect here |
| 15:02.26 | scanf | the group set for "/usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf is lp |
| 15:02.35 | azeem | ah |
| 15:02.39 | stoned | karmatronic: stereo, you need left and right to hear it |
| 15:02.43 | Anoninon | karmatronic: glad to hear. how long have you been using it ? |
| 15:02.56 | whazilla | how do i install the nvidea glx new driver on debian etch ? |
| 15:02.57 | scanf | but the group for /var/spool/cups-pdf/SPOOL is lpadmin |
| 15:02.59 | stoned | karmatronic: well I just use a onboard soundcard |
| 15:03.00 | karmatronic | Anoninon: for 3 months |
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| 15:03.05 | stew | blackbart: you can use zless to read them while still compressed |
| 15:03.06 | stoned | karmatronic: I really should get another soundcard for recording |
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| 15:03.29 | scanf | so why a group 'lp' and a group 'lpadmin' |
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| 15:03.36 | karmatronic | sstowell it s not that much the sound card |
| 15:03.45 | karmatronic | stoned: it s more the mics and the preamp |
| 15:03.47 | magical_trevsky | runlevel 3 starts without X, right? |
| 15:03.54 | whazilla | hi |
| 15:03.55 | whazilla | how do i install the nvidea glx new driver on debian etch ? |
| 15:04.14 | blackbart | thanks again stew :) |
| 15:04.15 | scanf | I did a dpkg -P cups-pdf and reinstalled |
| 15:04.18 | whazilla | magical_trevsky, runlevel 5 = X |
| 15:04.28 | stew | magical_trevsky: debian treats all runlevels 2-5 the same. if you want them to do somehtign different, you have to set them up that way |
| 15:04.30 | scanf | but still the groups are different |
| 15:04.33 | stoned | karmatronic: here is my setup. Guitar > FX Board > AMP > Preamp out > Normalizer > Line-in. I clean the rest of the signal with noise filters under audacity |
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| 15:04.49 | scanf | can someone at least confirm these two groups both belong |
| 15:04.49 | stew | whazilla: if he has a DM insttalled then 2,3,4 are also X |
| 15:04.50 | magical_trevsky | scanf, ah, I just want to boot to a console but it boots to gdm atm |
| 15:05.05 | karmatronic | stoned: simple it s cool |
| 15:05.06 | whazilla | stew do u know my Q above ? |
| 15:05.09 | stoned | karmatronic: I multitrack with audacity, after I export drums in hydrogen |
| 15:05.18 | stew | whazilla: i don't help with non-free drivers |
| 15:05.23 | stoned | karmatronic: what do you think of the sound quality about the link I posted? |
| 15:05.27 | stoned | karmatronic: its quite clean eh |
| 15:05.28 | magical_trevsky | if I just chmod -x gdm and /usr/bin/X would that work? |
| 15:05.29 | whazilla | howcomes ? |
| 15:05.30 | mancubus | Does any one know VServer? |
| 15:05.37 | stew | magical_trevsky: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 15:05.49 | stew | magical_trevsky: or use update-rc.d to setup the different runlevels differently |
| 15:05.49 | magical_trevsky | stew, thanks |
| 15:06.05 | mancubus | May I write in virtual machine kernel differ default route? |
| 15:06.11 | whazilla | stew why no help with non free <_> |
| 15:06.15 | stoned | karmatronic: why do you ask though? Are you into recording as well? |
| 15:06.16 | karmatronic | stoned: yes it s really impressive |
| 15:06.20 | stoned | karmatronic: what tools do you use? |
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| 15:06.35 | karmatronic | stoned: ardour +jack+hydrogen |
| 15:06.35 | stew | whazilla: becuase i'm against it in principal |
| 15:06.41 | shay | magical_trevsky, update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 15:06.46 | karmatronic | some qsynth stuff to add violin or piano |
| 15:06.47 | rahul | stoned: hrm |
| 15:06.55 | rahul | stoned: I'm all over the place this weekend :\ |
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| 15:07.07 | whazilla | fuck this :$ |
| 15:07.13 | karmatronic | stoned: i m impressed by the quality of your sound |
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| 15:07.21 | stoned | thanks |
| 15:07.53 | karmatronic | stoned: i love shredding and stuff like yours but my music is more folk oriented ,singing too |
| 15:08.06 | stoned | ardour huh |
| 15:08.10 | stoned | I gotta look it up |
| 15:08.14 | rahul | magical_trevsky: or just uninstall xdm or whatever you have installed that you don't want |
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| 15:08.22 | shay | magical_trevsky, anyway, why would you want ot boot to a console when you can just use crtl+alt+f1 |
| 15:08.23 | rahul | if you don't want it, don't uninstall it. simple as that |
| 15:08.26 | karmatronic | stoned: the cool thing for you with ardour |
| 15:08.45 | karmatronic | stoned: is that you can pilot hydrogen directly from ardour |
| 15:08.47 | magical_trevsky | shay, hw problems |
| 15:08.58 | shay | magical_trevsky, then remove GDM until you fix them |
| 15:09.00 | magical_trevsky | it segfaults if X starts D: |
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| 15:09.04 | stoned | yeh.. give another 15-20 years and by the time im 45-50 years old I'll be a shred master |
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| 15:09.12 | karmatronic | stoned: you can also easily set up loops for improvising |
| 15:09.12 | stoned | its only been 22 years so far, so im not that good yet |
| 15:09.21 | magical_trevsky | err, -segfaults +kernel panics |
| 15:09.23 | stoned | is it packed on debian? |
| 15:09.30 | stoned | packaged* |
| 15:09.37 | shay | magical_trevsky, run the kernel in single user mode and fix it from there |
| 15:09.39 | karmatronic | stoned: yeah |
| 15:09.56 | rahul | does hydrogen do stuff like allow you to say I'm gonna hit this tom with this kind of strength on this part of the head? |
| 15:10.03 | stoned | rahul: yes |
| 15:10.11 | stoned | rahul: you can adjust the intensity of the strike |
| 15:10.22 | rahul | like maybe have 4 strength levels and 4 locations on the tom |
| 15:10.26 | stoned | rahul: basically just the volume level for individual beats |
| 15:10.30 | karmatronic | stoned,rahul yeah but it s not like a real drum machine |
| 15:10.35 | stoned | rahul: not locations |
| 15:10.46 | rahul | doesn't location make a big diff? |
| 15:10.51 | karmatronic | in the sense that it s tough to get real battery sounds |
| 15:10.59 | stoned | karmatronic: here you might like these |
| 15:11.16 | stoned | http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/index.php?page=hydrogen |
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| 15:11.29 | karmatronic | stoned: if you like shred , look here http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cesar+huesca&search= |
| 15:11.37 | stoned | thats way too much ot |
| 15:11.39 | karmatronic | stoned: this guy has the cleanest sound ever |
| 15:11.40 | stoned | heh |
| 15:11.59 | stoned | this is my crappy little site |
| 15:12.03 | stoned | just messin with css one day |
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| 15:12.40 | karmatronic | stoned: cool , gonna take your beats to have some fun |
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| 15:15.04 | karmatronic | stoned: btw , do you like ron thal ? |
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| 15:15.13 | stoned | never heard |
| 15:15.22 | stoned | check beat1.h2song |
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| 15:16.50 | stoned | rahul: are you looking for drum software? |
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| 15:17.16 | karmatronic | stoned: cant check your beats now , i m also working :) |
| 15:17.21 | stoned | ahh |
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| 15:18.01 | dworkin | where is my path and umask defined? |
| 15:18.46 | stoned | $PATH |
| 15:18.46 | stoned | ? |
| 15:18.46 | stew | dworkin: /etc/profile |
| 15:18.49 | stoned | oh where its defined |
| 15:18.50 | rahul | stoned: not really... was kinda wondering if there'd be any benefit in developing a way to modulate the sound based on what part of the head was being hit, actually... see if other software had already figured this out |
| 15:18.51 | dworkin | steve, thank you |
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| 15:18.57 | stew | dworkin: you can override them in .bash_profile |
| 15:19.04 | stew | (in your home directory) |
| 15:19.10 | stoned | stew: wouldn't they be in ~/.bash_profile |
| 15:19.11 | stoned | nm |
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| 15:19.24 | dworkin | steve, that's exactly what i wanted |
| 15:19.27 | stoned | instead of messing with /etc/profile |
| 15:19.33 | printman | hi, there's a command to launch .desktop files from cmdline ? |
| 15:19.43 | stew | i'm amazed that steve hasn't gotten annoyed and changed nicks |
| 15:19.48 | stoned | lol |
| 15:19.53 | stoned | dworkin: stew |
| 15:19.53 | stew | he gets hilighted instead of me 30 times a day |
| 15:20.04 | stoned | happens to me in ##hardware all the time |
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| 15:20.13 | stoned | there is this dude called StoneNewt |
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| 15:20.23 | stoned | I get highlighted all the time cuz of him |
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| 15:22.16 | stoned | man this green is sooo fluffy |
| 15:22.19 | rahul | damn newts |
| 15:22.32 | stoned | man I went 5 months sober man |
| 15:22.34 | rahul | julia doesn't toke :\ |
| 15:22.47 | stoned | too bad |
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| 15:23.03 | rahul | hrm, I better call her |
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| 15:24.01 | rahul | Anoninon? heh |
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| 15:25.12 | archangelpetro | back |
| 15:25.51 | stoned | man I don't have to go outside to smoke the budds anymore. :D |
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| 15:26.12 | stoned | I should make a debian linux distro for stoners all decked out in budd art |
| 15:26.26 | plb | stoned: Try Ubuntu |
| 15:26.31 | stoned | lol |
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| 15:27.03 | HostilePenguin | im working on my girlfriends pc i want to put a power down button on there for her ive never used one so i dont know what would be the best way to do that ? |
| 15:27.04 | stoned | screw it man, after this weekened I'll probably take it easy for anothe few months |
| 15:27.10 | loufoque | I'm having an issue with module-assistant, it says my module is already installed while it is not (lsmod doesn't list it) |
| 15:27.22 | loufoque | how can I tell module-assistant to install it anyway? |
| 15:27.24 | plb | loufoque: did you modprobe? |
| 15:27.29 | stoned | HostilePenguin: just make a desktop shortcut for sudo shutdown now |
| 15:27.42 | stoned | HostilePenguin: is this what you're asking? |
| 15:28.00 | rahul | uBLUNTu |
| 15:28.01 | cahoot | loufoque, installed is different from loaded |
| 15:28.06 | plb | So I have an X1400 Mobility, with 2.6.21 and it appears I am just f'd when it comes to hardware acceleration |
| 15:28.09 | HostilePenguin | yep thanks good idea its for her convenience |
| 15:28.47 | plb | hrmm.. Ubuntu: Linux for People Ubluntu: Linux for Stoners |
| 15:29.00 | stoned | no man |
| 15:29.02 | archangelpetro | they are developing religious versions of ubuntu right? |
| 15:29.06 | stoned | stonedian |
| 15:29.11 | archangelpetro | like 'for christians, etc |
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| 15:29.27 | rahul | heh |
| 15:29.31 | stoned | oh no |
| 15:29.33 | archangelpetro | it's a little amusing. |
| 15:29.42 | plb | make sense because Debian is Deb + Ian... |
| 15:29.45 | plb | :-P |
| 15:29.51 | cahoot | loufoque, i e the module might very well be installed and available but you haven't loaded it - put it's name in /etc/modules if yiu want it autoloaded |
| 15:29.54 | stoned | well I'm not called Ian |
| 15:30.14 | plb | yes but it is based on Debian, so Ian needs his props ;-) |
| 15:30.21 | stoned | word |
| 15:30.39 | loufoque | OK, I loaded it with modprobe. This is actually the openafs module (which the openafs client daemon needs). However, when I launch the openafs client daemon, the module gets unloaded. |
| 15:30.39 | stoned | seriously man, I'm not gonna let this idea go |
| 15:30.57 | loufoque | and of course, openafs doesn't work |
| 15:31.05 | plb | loufoque: anything in dmesg about it? |
| 15:31.37 | stoned | its funny, I think I'll actually make a Stonerbuntu: Linux for huma....I mean Linux for Junkies |
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| 15:32.02 | plb | btw.. am I the only one who can't make sense of which pidgin icon is logging on and which is logging off |
| 15:32.04 | plb | :-P |
| 15:32.31 | renewbie | hi, what I need to enable l18n layout? I am trying to enable hindi in my etch |
| 15:32.41 | stoned | I'm gonna go play The Matrix: Path of Neo |
| 15:32.52 | stoned | that game kicks ass |
| 15:32.59 | loufoque | plb: only a message when loading the module, Found system call table at 0xc02f4500 (pattern scan) |
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| 15:34.00 | rahul | stoned: yeah? |
| 15:34.02 | rahul | never played it |
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| 15:34.10 | archangelpetro | hahah |
| 15:34.15 | archangelpetro | a version of ubuntu for satanists. |
| 15:34.17 | archangelpetro | haha |
| 15:34.20 | plb | loufoque: I'm not familiar with openafs per se... there wouldn't happen to be any log with a message appropriate |
| 15:34.23 | stoned | i have xp just for gaming |
| 15:34.30 | stoned | otherwise my main desktop would run debian |
| 15:34.33 | plb | archangelpetro: Fedora |
| 15:34.34 | rahul | hehe |
| 15:34.41 | archangelpetro | plb, lol |
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| 15:35.01 | rahul | fedora isn't for satanists, it's for baby-killers :\ |
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| 15:35.15 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 15:35.23 | xerophyte | is there something better than VNC for remote desktop ? |
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| 15:35.25 | rahul | I know, because using it at work makes me want to kill anything |
| 15:35.32 | plb | rahul: true, satanists have some dignity |
| 15:35.32 | rahul | (good thing I work at home) |
| 15:35.53 | rahul | xerophyte: VNC is the best app that does what it does |
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| 15:36.06 | rahul | xerophyte: if you want _different_ features, there may be better ways |
| 15:36.16 | plb | xerophyte: VNC is fairly generic.. what do you need to do? |
| 15:36.18 | xerophyte | rahul, thnks |
| 15:36.36 | archangelpetro | rahul, what's your job? |
| 15:36.41 | archangelpetro | (i wanna work from home too ;)) |
| 15:36.49 | xerophyte | rahul, plb i just want to know if there anything better than VNC because i use so just wondrering |
| 15:36.49 | rahul | cofing |
| 15:36.54 | rahul | coding, too |
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| 15:37.05 | loufoque | plb: nothing obvious. I think I probably messed up too much when trying to install an openafs server on this machine, I guess I'll just have to uninstall and reinstall everything. |
| 15:37.05 | archangelpetro | just software development? |
| 15:37.08 | rahul | yeah |
| 15:37.21 | rahul | that and dating rock stars :P |
| 15:37.24 | archangelpetro | any specific lang? or just any that needs it? |
| 15:37.26 | archangelpetro | hahah |
| 15:37.35 | rahul | she wants to see shrek with me, heh |
| 15:37.45 | rahul | rock stars are strange. |
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| 15:37.56 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 15:38.10 | plb | xerophyte: I use x11vnc because I want to remotely control my media pc from my laptop... |
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| 15:38.32 | xerophyte | plb, thanks |
| 15:38.33 | rahul | she's all pissed because she didn't get to see her favorite local band and I did last night |
| 15:38.39 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 15:38.49 | wols | !tell xerophyte about better |
| 15:38.50 | archangelpetro | poor her :) |
| 15:38.54 | rahul | I offered her my place so she didn't have to trek back to queens, heh |
| 15:39.11 | archangelpetro | hahah |
| 15:39.14 | archangelpetro | poor you plb ;) |
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| 15:39.19 | rahul | even then, I only got back at 3 in the morning... which was what she expected |
| 15:39.27 | archangelpetro | country music fell from th ebowels of satan |
| 15:39.28 | archangelpetro | haha |
| 15:39.37 | rahul | she has to be at work at 9, heh |
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| 15:39.48 | rahul | archangelpetro: nah, there's some good stuff |
| 15:39.51 | rahul | like Cash. |
| 15:39.53 | plb | hell... texas... hrm... |
| 15:39.57 | rahul | haha |
| 15:40.05 | rahul | oh, texas. I see. |
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| 15:40.23 | archangelpetro | well |
| 15:40.33 | archangelpetro | Johnny Cash is cool, Elvis did some good stuff too :) |
| 15:40.40 | rahul | Elvis wasn't really country |
| 15:40.47 | archangelpetro | well, he did a lot of country music too |
| 15:40.59 | rahul | he did covers of country, no? |
| 15:41.10 | rahul | but they were more proto-rock style |
| 15:41.11 | archangelpetro | well, he did covers.. i'm sure he did some original country stuff too |
| 15:41.19 | archangelpetro | well, not all :) |
| 15:41.22 | rahul | actually, no, I think he never wrote a song of his own |
| 15:41.27 | archangelpetro | no, he didnt |
| 15:41.28 | bdc34 | I just installed 4.0r0 x86 from netinstall on a x30, that went find but then I dist-upgraded to lenny and now xwindows loads into an odd green to pink fade of fuzz |
| 15:41.33 | rahul | that's how rock was back then |
| 15:41.35 | bdc34 | What is the deal with this? |
| 15:41.36 | archangelpetro | but some songs were written specifically for him |
| 15:41.45 | rahul | bdc34: wacky drivers, I guess |
| 15:41.50 | plb | Isn't ironic that Country is filled with sex, infidelity, murder, crime, and drugs... yet the Republicans love it... |
| 15:41.53 | rahul | archangelpetro: yeah, I suppose so |
| 15:41.58 | rahul | plb: well duh |
| 15:42.08 | rahul | plb: they make it illegal so only those with power can do it, heh |
| 15:42.10 | renewbie | any1 here can help me with l18n layout for hi_IN? |
| 15:42.12 | plb | seriously the difference between Gangster Rap and Texas Country is the twang |
| 15:42.13 | bdc34 | rahul: so there is no fuzz that is supose to be there. |
| 15:42.29 | archangelpetro | (sadly, my mum is the biggest elvis fan in the world ;) i've heard every story, seen every movie, .. even been to his house ;)... it's a pain.. didnt know any other artists existed til i was 8 hahah) |
| 15:42.36 | rahul | plb: yeah, pretty much |
| 15:42.44 | rahul | archangelpetro: haha |
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| 15:42.49 | plb | archangelpetro: which house? the one in Memphis or the one he was born in? |
| 15:42.58 | archangelpetro | actually, i think ive been to both |
| 15:43.04 | archangelpetro | the one he was born in when i was 3 |
| 15:43.09 | archangelpetro | but i went to graceland when i was about 14-15 |
| 15:43.09 | plb | archangelpetro: one of my labmates is from the town he was born in |
| 15:43.20 | archangelpetro | Tupolo mississipi |
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| 15:43.28 | plb | yep |
| 15:43.28 | archangelpetro | :D |
| 15:43.34 | archangelpetro | (spelling?:P) |
| 15:43.38 | plb | Texas: at least it's not Mississippi |
| 15:43.45 | archangelpetro | hehe |
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| 15:44.35 | archangelpetro | I think it's amusing that the US declares war on everything |
| 15:44.46 | archangelpetro | war on crime, war on drugs, war on terrorism.... |
| 15:44.53 | plb | http://www.mcsweeneys.net/links/lists/13JamesMurrayandAndrewMeek.html |
| 15:45.00 | plb | archangelpetro: go there |
| 15:45.06 | cahoot | archangelpetro, is all this even vaguely on topic? |
| 15:45.24 | plb | ....topic was abandoned around Ubluntu |
| 15:45.31 | archangelpetro | well, maybe ... if you can loosely couple freedoms with open source |
| 15:45.43 | rahul | bdc34: yeah, your driver is probably a little confused... |
| 15:45.47 | cast | open source isn't about freedoms, its about a better development model |
| 15:45.55 | cast | free software is about freedoms ;) |
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| 15:46.12 | plb | cast: but limited freedoms... |
| 15:46.14 | killux | I just did guided partioning on etch install |
| 15:46.22 | speeves | cast: dead-on :) |
| 15:46.24 | cast | killux: congrats! |
| 15:46.27 | killux | and it has 1.3 GB of swap space |
| 15:46.30 | killux | isnt that too much |
| 15:46.35 | killux | lol |
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| 15:46.46 | plb | killux: the old metric I used to work on 2x physical memory |
| 15:46.47 | archangelpetro | cast, aye |
| 15:46.53 | cast | killux: probably, you'll never use it all unless somethings wrong. but disk is cheap, what do you care |
| 15:47.15 | killux | its a 60 GB hard drive |
| 15:47.20 | killux | idk it just seems like a lot |
| 15:47.21 | plb | killux: of course now in days some machine really don't need swap |
| 15:47.37 | killux | does swap even really help that much? |
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| 15:47.43 | cast | killux: how much ram do you have? |
| 15:47.48 | killux | 512 MB |
| 15:48.02 | cast | killux: then setup 256mb if you're worried about disk space |
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| 15:48.19 | plb | killux: and what are you doing with the machine? eg my Eclipse dev box has 2.25gb of RAM which I have saturated before |
| 15:48.23 | killux | Its not that I am worried, but is it worth it have 1GB |
| 15:48.29 | killux | of swap |
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| 15:48.37 | killux | plb just normal things |
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| 15:48.52 | killux | maybe some devel nothing special though |
| 15:48.56 | archangelpetro | plb, that's because you're using java ;) |
| 15:48.56 | archangelpetro | haha |
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| 15:49.30 | killux | My real question is will 1 gig of swap make a difference in preformance? |
| 15:49.32 | plb | archangelpetro: My lab is a Java shop :-P |
| 15:49.46 | archangelpetro | hehe, well that explains how u can saturate ur RAM ;) |
| 15:49.51 | archangelpetro | i wrote my dissertation in java |
| 15:49.58 | SoulChild | Yeah finally GDM 2.18 appered in testing |
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| 15:50.05 | archangelpetro | which was using genetic programming to generate programs automatically |
| 15:50.21 | archangelpetro | (can generate correct code in arbitary languages) |
| 15:50.39 | cast | killux: if you're heavily into using swap performance will suck |
| 15:50.40 | archangelpetro | but.. because i used java.. and generated over a million programs which each had to be compiled |
| 15:50.45 | archangelpetro | iot killed my memory |
| 15:50.53 | killux | cast what? |
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| 15:50.56 | killux | heavily into? |
| 15:51.14 | plb | archangelpetro: My senior (HS) independant research project was a GA system to derive equations for modelling hydrocarbon transportation in soil |
| 15:51.14 | cast | killux: using alot and using often |
| 15:51.23 | rahul | archangelpetro: java sucks for compiling |
| 15:51.34 | tvynr | Whenever I attempt to run the command "fakeroot fakechroot chroot /some/root/path/" I get the error message "ERROR: ld.so: object 'libfakechroot.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. ERROR: ld.so: object 'libfakeroot-sysv.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.". I've pasted an strace of the situation here: http://paste.debian.net/31660 I think there's something wrong with Lenny and I'm trying to get enough info to file a |
| 15:51.35 | tvynr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.47 | killux | no cast, im asking will I see a difference in preformance between 265mb of swap and 1 gig of swap? |
| 15:51.57 | \amethyst | killux: Probably not |
| 15:52.06 | rahul | archangelpetro: you're better off interpreting a custom data structure |
| 15:52.17 | tvynr | killux: Only if you're using a lot of your swap as it is. |
| 15:52.18 | cast | killux: i doubt it. |
| 15:52.23 | rahul | archangelpetro: or using Lisp, the language that's the perfect match for this :) |
| 15:52.29 | killux | ok, and should I be putting my /home /var and /tmp on different partitions? |
| 15:52.34 | rahul | compiling single functions in lisp is very fast and easy |
| 15:52.37 | killux | I always put it on one |
| 15:52.55 | killux | but why do people put the dirs on different partitions? |
| 15:52.58 | cast | killux: definitely /home, maybe the others? i use lvm too. its neat. |
| 15:52.59 | tvynr | killux: I have 4Gb of swap at the moment and I have a tendency to use it. But that's because my usage style includes (1) having 12 virtual desktops and (2) never closing anything. |
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| 15:53.00 | killux | just for organization |
| 15:53.21 | rahul | actually, a common technique for high-performance stuff. basically you replace constants into a template and let the compiler constant fold and optimize |
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| 15:53.27 | killux | wait you can tell your system when to use swap? |
| 15:53.34 | killux | i thought it did it on its on |
| 15:53.35 | plb | My advisor has actively discouraged people from not using Java... of course I am in DL and IR and not HPC or AI |
| 15:53.40 | cast | killux: if you put /home on another partition it means you can easily reinstall debian or another distro you can keep all your personal files without hassle |
| 15:53.43 | rahul | killux: yeah, swapoff/swapon :) |
| 15:53.50 | rahul | wax on. wax off. |
| 15:54.00 | killux | but will it still use the RAM |
| 15:54.09 | tvynr | killux: By "I have a tendency to use it" I mean I tend to need it 'cause I fill up my 3Gb of RAM. |
| 15:54.15 | rahul | no, it'll stop using RAM... ?!? |
| 15:54.25 | killux | what? |
| 15:54.27 | \amethyst | killux: Swap is for when the RAM fills up |
| 15:54.39 | plb | killux: RAM is always used... the question is more about thrashing when a swap occurs between disk cache and RAM |
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| 15:54.47 | killux | ok |
| 15:54.49 | cast | killux: just set 256mb swap and if anythings wrong. change it ;) |
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| 15:54.59 | cast | killux: you can change these things quite trivially |
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| 15:55.47 | archangelpetro | rahul, yea, i agree but the libraries i had to use were in java.. so it seemed logical to continue that trend |
| 15:55.55 | plb | of course I did have a question 50 mins ago when I came in here :-P Using a x1400 Mobility with the 2.6.21 kernel am I just f'd when it comes to hardware accel for X? |
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| 15:56.14 | rahul | archangelpetro: eh, they're probably a 15-minute rewrite in lisp |
| 15:56.16 | SoulChild | I am bored, what to do ? any ideas? please help |
| 15:56.23 | rahul | archangelpetro: and then you'll end up with something faster anyway :) |
| 15:56.25 | killux | how come /home gets 51GBS and / gets 7? |
| 15:56.35 | rahul | damn it |
| 15:56.40 | rvalles | mplayer -cache 1024 http://livestream.fsf.org:8800/ |
| 15:56.43 | rahul | shrek isn't playing in the evening |
| 15:56.45 | rvalles | right now, RMS is about to release the GPLv3 |
| 15:56.54 | rahul | we'll have to make our own entertainment, then |
| 15:56.56 | archangelpetro | well tbh rahul yea... java did suck for my dissertation.. i should have used C/c++ i think |
| 15:56.57 | xand | killux: / doesn't need much if stuff is in partitions |
| 15:57.07 | \amethyst | killux: because /home is where you're most likely to put things like your porn^Wmp3 collection |
| 15:57.12 | cydork | SoulChild: install gentoo? :) |
| 15:57.17 | rahul | archangelpetro: going genetic programming in C/C++ is pretty much pure pain |
| 15:57.25 | archangelpetro | haha |
| 15:57.28 | tvynr | Can I get anyone to help regarding the fakechroot thing? |
| 15:57.29 | plb | Greenspun's Tenth Rule |
| 15:57.32 | archangelpetro | i imagine it's less stressful than java ;) |
| 15:57.32 | cast | killux: stop asking questions and discover :) / can easily be only 0.1g without issue in common enough setups |
| 15:57.34 | rahul | it's like ubuntu |
| 15:57.36 | SoulChild | cydork: Noooooo ,... please no |
| 15:57.46 | rahul | no, like fedora... makes you want to kill babies :( |
| 15:57.56 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 15:58.02 | rahul | ubuntu just makes you want to kill ubuntu users :P |
| 15:58.05 | archangelpetro | i was on gentoo for a while |
| 15:58.15 | rahul | my condolences |
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| 15:58.17 | killux | xand: isnt that where all the programs get install in like /usr/bin? |
| 15:58.19 | archangelpetro | well, i must admit.. ubuntu users have that facade of being more friendly |
| 15:58.31 | rahul | archangelpetro: just like stupid girls |
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| 15:58.38 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 15:58.46 | archangelpetro | well, i can fuck stupid girls :P |
| 15:58.49 | charlie_ | mmm i dont have iptables installed but sshing to my new debian box yields connection refused |
| 15:58.51 | SoulChild | what's the difference between fakeroot and sudo su ? |
| 15:58.53 | charlie_ | even from the box itself |
| 15:58.53 | archangelpetro | i tend to get fucked when using the OS |
| 15:58.58 | rahul | hehe |
| 15:59.00 | archangelpetro | forgive the language :D |
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| 15:59.03 | charlie_ | any help? |
| 15:59.04 | archangelpetro | in fact |
| 15:59.15 | archangelpetro | i did install feisty for ubuntu.. and it was awful.. bugged to death |
| 15:59.16 | rahul | lesson for the day: OSes and girls are inverses of each other |
| 15:59.21 | xand | charlie_: apt-get install ssh |
| 15:59.25 | rahul | archangelpetro: stoned did, too |
| 15:59.28 | charlie_ | mmm will try |
| 15:59.32 | charlie_ | brb, forgot to screen irssi |
| 15:59.32 | stew | archangelpetro: please keep it on-topic |
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| 15:59.43 | archangelpetro | lol ok |
| 15:59.47 | rahul | heh, sorry |
| 15:59.49 | \amethyst | SoulChild: sudo su requires you to be in /etc/sudoers, and gives you root privileges. fakeroot doesn't and doesn't |
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| 16:00.10 | rahul | and doesn't some more |
| 16:00.19 | xand | SoulChild: I'm sorry. |
| 16:00.41 | SoulChild | xand: for waht ? |
| 16:00.48 | tvynr | If I think that Lenny's fakechroot is broken in a serious way, how could I verify this before I submit a report to BTS? |
| 16:00.49 | xand | * SoulChild got Ubuntu CD by post for free today!!! |
| 16:01.03 | \amethyst | SoulChild: fakeroot basically tricks a program into thinking it's running as root. When the program changes the ownership of a file (for example), the fakeroot wrapper makes the program think the owner have been changed even though they really haven't |
| 16:01.17 | SoulChild | xand LOL ,... anyway i rather use debian etch which also is included as CD on a 4 $ magazin |
| 16:01.43 | plb | So is the fglrx module just broke at the moment with 2.6.21? |
| 16:01.47 | SoulChild | \amethyst: ahhh thanks for that good explaination |
| 16:02.04 | \amethyst | plb: is this the GPL symbol problem? |
| 16:02.11 | cast | aww shit. i suck. forgot /tmp stuff might not survive a reboot |
| 16:02.21 | plb | \amethyst: yes |
| 16:02.43 | xand | wtf is this for: "sdate - never ending September date" |
| 16:03.00 | \amethyst | plb: Are you comfortable with recompiling your kernel in a Debian environment? |
| 16:03.16 | plb | \amethyst: yes I have many times before |
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| 16:03.50 | rahul | xand: for old timers |
| 16:04.01 | cydork | xand: http://www.df7cb.de/projects/sdate/ check the screenshot |
| 16:04.51 | xand | cydork: yes, but what's the point |
| 16:05.05 | rahul | xand: to simulate the eternal september |
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| 16:05.21 | xand | rahul: why?! |
| 16:05.25 | cydork | xand: why do you think there is any? :) |
| 16:05.31 | xand | what's so good about september? |
| 16:05.36 | rahul | good?!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!? |
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| 16:05.39 | archangelpetro | rofl |
| 16:05.45 | archangelpetro | september 11th? |
| 16:05.48 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 16:05.49 | tralala | xand, read the jargon file |
| 16:05.49 | rahul | no |
| 16:05.53 | archangelpetro | no? |
| 16:05.56 | archangelpetro | whoops |
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| 16:06.03 | rahul | september, the month schools get new students |
| 16:06.13 | archangelpetro | ah, that one ;) |
| 16:06.15 | rahul | a flood of newbies onto the interwebs |
| 16:06.32 | rahul | (before the interwebs were called as such) |
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| 16:07.00 | rahul | thanks to compuserv and AOL, every month became september |
| 16:07.09 | rahul | just like every day is sunday in #debian |
| 16:07.10 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 16:07.13 | fsteves | Guys, what can I do to get a Raid IDE controller working in netinstall? Do I need to debootstrap and rebuild the kernel used in the netinstaller? |
| 16:07.26 | fsteves | its a Promise Fasttrack 100 IDE controller card |
| 16:07.27 | rahul | fsteves: use the scsi boot image |
| 16:07.31 | rahul | oh, that's not RAID |
| 16:07.38 | xand | OK I get it. |
| 16:07.45 | fsteves | err, sorry, i misspoke |
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| 16:07.50 | Kevin` | fsteves you do know those type of cards are software based, right? |
| 16:08.01 | rahul | fsteves: good luck... you should have gotten either a RAID controller or an IDE controller, not one that can do neither properly |
| 16:08.21 | fsteves | Its an IDE controller card, that I am going to do software raid across |
| 16:08.21 | archangelpetro | nice. |
| 16:08.21 | Kevin` | fsteves then just do software raid.. |
| 16:08.21 | rahul | fsteves: then you should just be able to use software raid |
| 16:08.23 | fsteves | rahul: Its old. Would I be better taking it out of the equation? |
| 16:08.24 | Kevin` | using linux's generic tools |
| 16:08.34 | zophy | hi |
| 16:08.34 | rahul | fsteves: if you don't need it, don't use it |
| 16:08.44 | rahul | fsteves: they're painful to deal with |
| 16:08.56 | fsteves | fsteves: And if it IS needed? I would have to rebuild the kernel, correct? |
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| 16:09.01 | rahul | I guess so |
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| 16:09.11 | rahul | but you have to answre yourself, since you asked yourself :P |
| 16:09.16 | Kevin` | fsteves i'm pretty sure debian includes linux raid support by default. |
| 16:09.18 | fsteves | hehe |
| 16:09.20 | PhorceP | Using lenny. Upgraded from stock kernel 2.6.16-2 to stock 2.6.18-4. My iptables rules no longer appear to exist. Are they gone or do they need to be migrated somehow? |
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| 16:09.31 | fsteves | Kevin`: well of course |
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| 16:09.49 | Kevin` | so, what's the problem? |
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| 16:09.56 | tralala | PhorceP, if you have rebooted the machine and you didn't have the rules saved they're gone |
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| 16:10.09 | cast | omfg. i finally learnt how to scroll back in more, its b |
| 16:10.22 | archangelpetro | well done cast |
| 16:10.26 | archangelpetro | ;) |
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| 16:10.50 | Kevin` | fsteves unless you plan to use the same format the "raid" card does, the installer should be able to set up an array just fine |
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| 16:12.04 | fsteves | Kevin`: I am going to do LVM across a Raid1. I have done software raid many a times. This system isn't mine, its what I was given to work with. It just seems natively, i am not going to be able to use this IDE controller card |
| 16:12.25 | Kevin` | the drives aren't detected at all? |
| 16:12.35 | fsteves | Only one of them |
| 16:12.46 | Kevin` | one of the drives ON THE CARD is detected? |
| 16:12.52 | Kevin` | check your cabling :) |
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| 16:13.20 | fsteves | Kevin`: Let me restate, that I am doing this remotely, with someone on the other end. I am getting my list of questions together now |
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| 16:13.28 | fsteves | before I rebuild the netinstall disk... |
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| 16:13.31 | VolkerH | hi |
| 16:13.36 | archangelpetro | hi |
| 16:13.44 | VolkerH | whats the url to download the _latest_ nvidia debian packages? |
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| 16:13.58 | Kevin` | fsteves if it detects on of the drives already I doubt rebuilting the netinstall disk will help, since it obviously detects the controller... |
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| 16:14.25 | VolkerH | or are 1.0.8776-4 the latest? |
| 16:14.59 | cast | VolkerH: go to packages.debian.org...thats a good start. |
| 16:15.09 | Kevin` | I think it might, but I'd trust md more for that sort of thing |
| 16:15.32 | fsteves | mdadm and hdparm |
| 16:15.41 | fsteves | Must be built into the kernel |
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| 16:15.50 | Kevin` | those are userspace tools |
| 16:15.53 | Kevin` | not part of the kernel |
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| 16:16.09 | fsteves | err installed |
| 16:16.10 | fsteves | sorry |
| 16:16.14 | fsteves | im doing 5 things at once |
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| 16:16.37 | Kevin` | are you sure the installer doesn't have them or an equivalent? how else does it do the raid setup during install |
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| 16:18.19 | tralala | !qotd0 |
| 16:18.19 | dpkg | < RichiH> stable is for masochist fetishists with serverphobia ;) |
| 16:18.30 | tralala | ai! |
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| 16:19.50 | my007ms | hello all |
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| 16:20.12 | zck | hi |
| 16:20.23 | killux_ | what does the laptop package install on installation? |
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| 16:22.17 | hark | killux_: tasksel --task-packages laptop |
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| 16:25.09 | zck | please, where can I find a good howto to install debian using netboot? |
| 16:25.40 | tralala | zck, did you check debian.org? |
| 16:25.43 | Kevin` | hmm, kqemu does indeed have a speed advantage :) |
| 16:26.00 | zck | tralala: yes |
| 16:26.07 | hark | zck: /msg dpkg ig |
| 16:26.09 | zck | but I don't understand |
| 16:26.21 | stew | !ig |
| 16:26.21 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 16:26.56 | stew | zck: in the above guide |
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| 16:27.57 | zck | stew: yeah, that's what I've just read |
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| 16:28.15 | zck | but i don't know where can I find the .img file |
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| 16:29.55 | cast | honest question here, linux have anything that compares to the self healing in zfs? |
| 16:30.02 | cast | +does |
| 16:30.25 | tralala | fsck I guess |
| 16:30.28 | Kevin` | i've found ext3 to be fairly resiliant |
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| 16:31.24 | cast | i think those are a bit differen.t if you have say, hda and hdb setup in a mirror configuration, and hdb becomes corrupted zfs will rewrite the correct information hdb |
| 16:32.07 | tralala | that's what any mirroring tools should do |
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| 16:32.33 | cast | i've never used mdadm or hw raid before so i am unaware of such things is all :) |
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| 16:33.19 | cast | how would, say, mdadm know which copy was correct? does it keep cksums? [in a dead simple block for block mirroring scheme i can't see how you'd tell which copy was the correct one] |
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| 16:33.49 | Kevin` | cast there is a superblock on each disk which has the entire state of the array |
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| 16:34.06 | mememe | hello boys |
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| 16:34.36 | killux_ | aptitude madwifi? |
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| 16:34.44 | killux_ | will that install the madwifi drivers |
| 16:34.57 | liable | !madwifi |
| 16:34.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. |
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| 16:35.23 | killux_ | !madwifi-install |
| 16:35.24 | dpkg | madwifi-install is, like, ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 16:35.24 | liable | !madwifi-install |
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| 16:35.53 | mememe | anybody knows a distribution or how to implement wondershaper on debian?? |
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| 16:36.27 | Kevin` | mememe diff wondershaper QoS? |
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| 16:36.40 | sn- | mememe you can install it from apt-get/debian repositories |
| 16:36.51 | mememe | yes I know |
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| 16:37.33 | Kevin` | i'm trying to install debian on a software raid1 now in qemu, never tried that before |
| 16:37.37 | mememe | but I want a debian router with firewall and wondershaper capabilities and web interface administration |
| 16:37.44 | Kevin` | because fsteves was complaining so much about it :) |
| 16:37.44 | mememe | that exist? |
| 16:37.48 | Kevin` | seems to be working fine though |
| 16:38.12 | minus | Hi ppl.. it says: "ERROR! Unbale to find kernel source tree for the currently running kernel" |
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| 16:38.22 | szymon_g | hi |
| 16:38.24 | minus | The "NVIDIA installer" |
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| 16:38.44 | szymon_g | !nvidia |
| 16:38.44 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 16:39.08 | minus | szymon_g: I want to use the ones from NVIDIA... |
| 16:39.25 | tralala | minus, then you'd need to ask the nvidia forums |
| 16:39.36 | maxamillion | minus: the ones in the repository are _from_ nvidia, they are just packaged and put in the repo |
| 16:39.42 | szymon_g | did you checked it : http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 16:39.47 | szymon_g | ?? |
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| 16:40.03 | minus | szymon_g: I had to start X first :) |
| 16:40.08 | minus | I'll check it now |
| 16:40.25 | szymon_g | minus : everything has got it's price ;p |
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| 16:40.33 | szymon_g | or something like that ;p |
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| 16:41.03 | szymon_g | ! nvidia one-liner |
| 16:41.03 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
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| 16:42.24 | killux_ | m-a prepare, does that install the kernel sources? |
| 16:43.08 | azeem | killux_: the headers |
| 16:43.17 | killux_ | ok |
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| 16:43.43 | tralala | which as far as m-a is concerned, is all that's needed |
| 16:43.48 | \amethyst | killux_: m-a prepare should do what you need... I doubt the nvidia drivers need the whole source, just the headers probably |
| 16:44.03 | killux_ | huh? |
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| 16:44.45 | \amethyst | killux_: m-a prepare installs the header files, which are the parts of the kernel source that third-party libraries need |
| 16:45.00 | minus | szymon_g, Ehm.. nvidias "apt" does not have my kernel |
| 16:45.03 | \amethyst | (as well as installing build-essential, to make sure you can actually compile things) |
| 16:45.14 | minus | so i cant install it with the apt-get |
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| 16:47.56 | killux_ | does m-a compile the modules and then add them to the kernel |
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| 16:53.57 | tvynr | er... I have gcc=4.1.2-12 installed, but gcc -v says it's version "version 4.1.3 20070601 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-12)". Any idea what gives? The stock kernel is compiled with 4.1.2 but I can't compile any kernel modules. |
| 16:54.42 | tralala | tvynr, perhpas you should try gcc-4.1.2 |
| 16:54.52 | tralala | or something |
| 16:55.19 | Enverex | tvynr, The package number doesn't always match GCC version number |
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| 16:56.04 | tvynr | Enverex: Any idea what I can do to compile a kernel module for my running kernel? |
| 16:56.14 | Enverex | tvynr, It should work anyway to be honest... |
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| 16:56.25 | szymon_g | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:56.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 16:56.43 | Kevin` | tvynr apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r` then build as normal.. |
| 16:57.54 | tvynr | Kevin`, Enverex: I'm trying to install a kernel module from an automatic build script and it's saying that the current compiler's version and the running kernel's compiler version don't match. If I tell it to go ahead anyway, it can build the module but that module then fails to load. |
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| 16:58.40 | Kevin` | tvynr are you using the official debian stuff? |
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| 16:59.02 | tvynr | Kevin`: How do you mean? I'm running stock kernel linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 and stock gcc=4.1.2-12 |
| 16:59.03 | killux_ | how can I start xfce on boot instead of having to type startx all the the time? |
| 16:59.11 | Kevin` | tvynr that's what I mean |
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| 16:59.39 | Kevin` | tvynr try building some simple test module to see if it's the script or your system |
| 16:59.59 | tvynr | Kevin`: I'm pretty sure it's not the script; I've run this exact same script before without any difficulties. |
| 17:00.06 | tvynr | Kevin`: Know of a small test module I can try to build? |
| 17:00.15 | Enverex | tvynr, hrm, stupidly anal modules... |
| 17:00.45 | tralala | I think it's the kernel that doesn't accept modules compiled with different gcc version |
| 17:00.47 | Kevin` | tvynr yes, let me find a link |
| 17:00.58 | Kevin` | tralala he shouldn't have a different version though, it's odd |
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| 17:01.33 | tralala | He might have caught sid/lenney in a bad mood |
| 17:01.33 | Kevin` | tvynr http://linuxdriver.co.il/ldd3/linuxdrive3-CHP-2-SECT-2.html perhaps |
| 17:01.36 | tvynr | Kevin`, Enverex: If it helps at all, this is a recently installed Lenny system. I want to install this kernel module so I can get a nice VM system up and running. Then, I can use *that* to install a bunch of other Debian systems because I'm pretty sure Lenny's fakechroot is broken but I don't know why. |
| 17:01.50 | Kevin` | ah lenny |
| 17:01.54 | tvynr | Kevin`, Enverex: I suppose I should just try to use QEmu for now without the accelerator module. |
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| 17:02.47 | Kevin` | tvynr well, since your using testing i'm more likely to suspect the message is correct. perhaps you could just recompile your kernel with the current compiler? |
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| 17:04.58 | minus | Which is the best console web browser? |
| 17:05.03 | rahul | links |
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| 17:05.16 | Kevin` | minus try links, lins2, elinks, w3m |
| 17:05.18 | minus | rahul: ok.. The rest of you in here? |
| 17:05.19 | minus | ok |
| 17:05.26 | Kevin` | in no particular order! |
| 17:05.32 | rahul | and w3.el!!! |
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| 17:05.33 | rahul | heh |
| 17:05.35 | tvynr | Kevin`: I could try that, yes... |
| 17:05.56 | tvynr | Kevin`: Doesn't it strike you as peculiar policy not to have the compiler that compiled the stock kernel in the repository? |
| 17:06.08 | tvynr | Kevin`: I just want to see if my feel on this is right. |
| 17:06.19 | Kevin` | tvynr I suspect it's an oversight of some sort |
| 17:06.21 | tralala | tvynr, testing has no policy |
| 17:06.33 | Kevin` | and yes, it's testing ;) |
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| 17:07.01 | Kevin` | debian install to software raid seems to have worked as expected, I wonder what that one guy was complaining about before |
| 17:07.03 | tralala | they call it testing because bugs get in and people are supposed to find them and report them |
| 17:07.04 | tvynr | Starting to wonder if I should just install Etch and run a hybrid Etch/Lenny *without* running dist-upgrade. |
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| 17:07.41 | minus | ^x |
| 17:07.44 | minus | ops |
| 17:07.48 | Kevin` | I personally just run etch. I might switch to lenny when the difference in software versions becomes important |
| 17:07.54 | tvynr | tralala: Well, indeed. It's just that there are two or three problems I've encountered in the last few days that are more the sort of problem I would've expected from Sid. |
| 17:08.21 | cast | ahh. time to start using GPLv3 it seems :) |
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| 17:08.26 | Zap-W | do i need to lower the MTU for vlan interfaces |
| 17:08.27 | tralala | tvynr, lenny is a simply a few days old sid |
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| 17:08.47 | Kevin` | Zap-W not that i've ever noticed, but that's a rather good question |
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| 17:09.49 | tvynr | tralala: I'm somewhat familiar with how the packaging policy works. But I'm also pretty sure that some of the devs out there run Sid for the exclusive purpose of finding those sorts of bugs, yes? It's kind of hard to imagine not having run into the fact that schroot/dchroot don't work at all. But this is just me fussing... I've had a bad 24 hours of computing. :-/ |
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| 17:11.07 | NiLon | how i can check version of packet? |
| 17:12.03 | tralala | tvynr, packages migrate to testing automatically and the sid users are not so many to be able to catch all of the bugs. And even if they do the package would *probably* still enter testing. |
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| 17:12.52 | tralala | NiLon, a package? |
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| 17:13.11 | renewbie | hi, how can I add a keyboard layout to etch gnome? |
| 17:13.24 | tvynr | tralala: Ah. *nods* 'kay. I'd now proceed to asking how I might install an older testing package than what is current in the repos, but I don't know which packages are causing my numerous problems. :-/ |
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| 17:13.35 | NiLon | like i probally have installed already newer version but it still offers me packet |
| 17:14.17 | tralala | tvynr, this is why you don't use testing for work, but for testing |
| 17:14.29 | tralala | NiLon, aptitude show <package name> |
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| 17:15.44 | NiLon | tralala ok thanks :) |
| 17:15.46 | tvynr | tralala: I'll make a note. When I initially started using Debian in January 2006, though, Sarge was woefully out of date with a number of applications I wanted to use. This is why I got into the habit of running a testing desktop. :-P |
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| 17:16.15 | tralala | tvynr, and if you need badly something newer you try bpo or backport it yourself (/msg dpkg bpo) |
| 17:16.24 | killux_ | how can I have X startup automatically on boot? |
| 17:16.37 | tralala | killux_, do you use kde or gnome? |
| 17:16.39 | killux_ | with something like SLiM |
| 17:16.42 | Scurz | hi |
| 17:16.42 | killux_ | xfce |
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| 17:16.48 | tralala | killux_, install gdm |
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| 17:17.07 | killux_ | inst that for gnome? |
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| 17:17.36 | unlink | it works with gnome |
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| 17:17.39 | Scurz | It's possible to recover a file deleted ? |
| 17:17.41 | tralala | generally yes, but it can be used for anything though without the nice integration |
| 17:17.48 | Scurz | (with rm) |
| 17:17.48 | tralala | !undelete |
| 17:17.48 | dpkg | undelete is, like, great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems. |
| 17:18.06 | aarkerio | hi! how can I backup only the .py files on /var/www directory using tar? |
| 17:18.07 | Scurz | tralala: for me ? |
| 17:18.12 | tralala | yes |
| 17:18.14 | killux_ | tralala: will it automatically boot into gdn? |
| 17:18.15 | Scurz | okay |
| 17:18.29 | blood | hello |
| 17:18.30 | killux_ | *gdm |
| 17:18.40 | cast | that undelete factoid should be fixed perhaps, it doesn't work for anything other than ext2 right? |
| 17:18.48 | Scurz | cast: ext3 |
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| 17:19.06 | tralala | aarkerio, check tar's --include* options |
| 17:19.09 | blood | I have a problem with alsa. I have no sound after each reboot |
| 17:19.10 | cast | Scurz: ahh. the current factoid specifically says it doesn't worked for journalled, |
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| 17:19.26 | aarkerio | tralala, thx! |
| 17:19.29 | blood | i need to use alsaconf after each login |
| 17:19.30 | Scurz | cast: so, it's not possible? |
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| 17:20.05 | cast | Scurz: anythings possible. |
| 17:20.13 | Scurz | erf |
| 17:20.26 | tralala | Scurz, if you don't have a backup, forget about it |
| 17:20.27 | cast | Scurz: you can probably recover it |
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| 17:20.57 | Scurz | tralala: the file is a backup ! :-) |
| 17:21.02 | Scurz | cast: how ? |
| 17:21.57 | Scurz | too bad ! |
| 17:22.00 | blood | i have all required modules loaded, all channels are unmuted, but still there is no sound |
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| 17:22.49 | Seba_soy | I need some help to solve this :( |
| 17:22.58 | Seba_soy | Jun 30 11:35:20 ttel-homero kernel: <IRQ> [<ffffffff802a4c07>] __report_bad_irq+0x30/0x7d |
| 17:22.59 | Seba_soy | Jun 30 11:35:20 ttel-homero kernel: [<ffffffff802a4e41>] note_interrupt+0x1ed/0x22e |
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| 17:23.44 | blood | i was looking for solution to this on several forums, but nobody was able to help me |
| 17:23.55 | Seba_soy | same? |
| 17:24.06 | Seba_soy | my eth0 goes down :(:(:( |
| 17:24.18 | blood | so i decided to ask for help on this channel; any ideas what could be wrong? |
| 17:24.41 | Seba_soy | this, I need help for this |
| 17:24.42 | Seba_soy | http://pastebin.com/939080 |
| 17:25.16 | cahoot | blood, try this: invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
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| 17:25.46 | tralala | blood, normally alsaconf should take care to remember your settings |
| 17:26.16 | cahoot | tralala, alsa-utils fulfills that in etch |
| 17:26.41 | blood | tralala i know it, i tried also 'alsactl store' |
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| 17:27.00 | Seba_soy | I dont know how to solve that... :( |
| 17:27.04 | saleyk | hi. what was the command to create or extract .po files? |
| 17:27.29 | blood | the sound dissapeared when i upgraded my etch to lenny |
| 17:28.16 | tralala | blood, oh lenny... |
| 17:28.22 | killux_ | where can i put startup scirpts? |
| 17:28.30 | blood | cahoot, it returns 'Resetting ALSA card 0...failed (none loaded).'; i haven't done 'alsaconf' in this session |
| 17:28.36 | tralala | killux_, what startup scripts? |
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| 17:29.11 | tralala | actually startup scripts to do what? |
| 17:29.22 | killux_ | nevermind |
| 17:29.31 | killux_ | i was going to put one in for SLiM |
| 17:29.36 | killux_ | but it loads by default |
| 17:29.36 | Seba_soy | .... ttel-homero kernel: Disabling IRQ #7 |
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| 17:30.29 | cahoot | blood, run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
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| 17:32.57 | blood | cahoot, done; now i'm going to reboot, then i'll inform you if that helped |
| 17:33.12 | cahoot | no reboot needed' |
| 17:33.38 | blood | but at least logout is required |
| 17:33.40 | cahoot | blood, at least not for alsa |
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| 17:35.45 | tralala | cahoot, don't break windows' people habits ;) |
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| 17:38.08 | sess | Im trying an installation for the first time with sata, I get an ata2: failed to recover some devices, retrying i n5 secs error over and over at boot, what does this mean |
| 17:38.12 | tatoo | hello all |
| 17:38.31 | blood | nope, i still have no sound; 'alsamixer' returns 'No mixer elems found' |
| 17:39.08 | cahoot | blood, does lsmod|grep snd return anything? |
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| 17:39.27 | KyNDeR | why, when I type aptitude remove udev , it removes a lot of gnome packages ? |
| 17:39.39 | microtux | i have a question, can i ask? |
| 17:39.52 | cast | udev is kind of handy |
| 17:39.58 | cast | !ask |
| 17:39.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:40.08 | tralala | KyNDeR, why do you want to remove udev? |
| 17:40.11 | tatoo | I have a doubt about traceroute. When I trace a IP address, I noticed 3 events for the same address w/ different times between then. I explain: when I traceroute "www.abc.com", I can see the same IP on the final of the trace 3 times. Can somebody know explain why it's happening? |
| 17:40.34 | microtux | dpkg, i made a mistake and removed the trash , how can i restore it? |
| 17:40.55 | tralala | dpkg, answer! |
| 17:40.55 | dpkg | It is common on #debian to tell people what they need to know, not what they _think_ they want to know |
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| 17:41.31 | microtux | dpkg, so? |
| 17:41.31 | dpkg | so are you broken? |
| 17:41.32 | xand | microtux: restore it from backup |
| 17:41.40 | tralala | microtux, dpkg is a bot |
| 17:42.05 | microtux | tralala, ah |
| 17:42.13 | sussudio | %bear tralala |
| 17:42.15 | tralala | how did you remove your trash? |
| 17:42.42 | KyNDeR | tralala, because I want to downgrade it, I need to use xorg 6.9 so I puted a 3.0r0 mirror for apt mirros list, because before I wanted to install nis but my mirror was an etch one so trying to install nis it installed another kernel and upgrade my udev, than everything stoped to work |
| 17:42.46 | microtux | i selected it and clcked on remove to trash?? hihihi ;) |
| 17:42.59 | microtux | tralala, it' funny but true |
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| 17:43.05 | blood | cahoot, yes, a bunch of modules is listed; you can see them here: http://debian.linux.pl/viewtopic.php?p=19616 |
| 17:43.07 | tralala | KyNDeR, /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 17:43.23 | tralala | microtux, gnome or kde? |
| 17:43.38 | microtux | kde |
| 17:43.42 | microtux | tralala, kde |
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| 17:44.21 | microtux | tralala, i have debian etch |
| 17:44.28 | Seba_soy | anybody can help me with this?: kernel: Disabling IRQ #7 --> then my ETH0 goes OFF... not work anymore :( |
| 17:44.43 | cahoot | blood, so you have two sounddevices - might explain you apparent silence - how are the listed in /proc/asound/cards? |
| 17:44.58 | tralala | microtux, right click -> create new -> link to address -> in the target type trash:/ |
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| 17:45.40 | KyNDeR | tralala, so I will have to reinstall debian 3.0r0 to fix my problem generated by aptitude because I wanted to install nis and I had a wrong mirror in my list ? |
| 17:46.08 | tralala | KyNDeR, debian 3.0 aka sarge is the old stable. I'd suggest you install etch |
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| 17:46.41 | naitram | anyone know of an rfc868 complient time server for debian |
| 17:46.41 | Supaplex | KyNDeR: if you have 'stable' in sources.list you're pulling etch now. |
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| 17:46.47 | microtux | tralala, thx, it works |
| 17:46.51 | blood | cahoot, there is only one device listed - my usb camera |
| 17:46.55 | tralala | microtux, you're welcome |
| 17:47.10 | cahoot | blood, cute |
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| 17:47.37 | aztec105 | Hello all |
| 17:47.44 | cahoot | blood, unplug the camera, run invoke-rc.d alsa --force-reload |
| 17:48.07 | KyNDeR | tralala, Supaplex, thanks... I will reinstall 3 |
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| 17:48.22 | tralala | KyNDeR, sarge doesn't have xorg |
| 17:48.36 | tralala | it has xfree 4.3 or so |
| 17:48.49 | aztec105 | installing debian on an old Dell Latitude a300st with a neomagic256 video card (onboard of course) and I am not sure what hte correct bus identifier should be any one happen to know ? |
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| 17:49.27 | cahoot | aztec105, tried leaiving that empty? |
| 17:49.28 | KyNDeR | tralala, ok I will try to do with etch what I need. |
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| 17:51.13 | sess | is anyone using a toshiba laptop |
| 17:51.29 | tralala | sess, all the toshiba customers |
| 17:51.49 | sess | well tralala, are any of them in here? |
| 17:52.03 | tralala | sess, just ask your question or check /msg dpkg laptops |
| 17:52.31 | sess | I'd like to find out if anyone has successfully gotten a tecra to suspend and resume in debian |
| 17:52.54 | Kevin` | sess actually.. yesz |
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| 17:53.27 | Kevin` | sess I think either apm -s or -S Just Worked, and hibernate works |
| 17:53.30 | sess | Kevin` Im struggling with my tecra M4, it locks up before it suspends, so all the suspend troubleshooting tips I'm finding are for problems with resume |
| 17:53.37 | sess | oh, I should use APM |
| 17:53.41 | sess | I was using acpi afaik |
| 17:53.45 | sess | !!! |
| 17:53.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ! is I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
| 17:53.47 | Kevin` | well, mine doesn't have apci |
| 17:53.48 | Kevin` | :) |
| 17:53.59 | Kevin` | you just said tecra :) |
| 17:54.05 | tralala | !!!! |
| 17:54.05 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 17:54.22 | killux_ | how can you run a program from a terminal but hide the terminal after it loads |
| 17:54.40 | tralala | killux_, with screen or dtach |
| 17:54.52 | killux_ | ? |
| 17:54.53 | sess | well kevin its worth a shot, Im about to pull some hair out |
| 17:55.03 | tralala | !laptops |
| 17:55.04 | dpkg | laptop is, like, All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 17:55.22 | tralala | sess, check the above urls for plenty of info about linux on laptops |
| 17:55.40 | Kevin` | sess btw, hibernate is almost sure to work whether your computer supports power management or not |
| 17:55.49 | sess | thanks for the urls, Im looking at linux-laptop.net now |
| 17:55.58 | sess | Kevin` I thought so too, but when I try to hibernate, same problem |
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| 17:56.12 | Kevin` | odd, does shutdown work? |
| 17:56.14 | sess | Im doing a fresh debian 4 install now, so let see if that helps |
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| 17:56.37 | sess | kevin: honestly, I have no idea, I never actually tried a software shutdown, that could be part of the problem |
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| 17:59.24 | aztec105 | cahoot> Hmm actually looking at the xserver logs it is failing at finding core pointer |
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| 18:00.31 | yeonhoo | question : how I can change console font? |
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| 18:00.40 | cahoot | aztec105, running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 18:01.30 | tvynr | killux_: Try running the program wth " &" tacked onto the end (or, once it starts running, press Ctrl+Z and run "bg") and then closing the console with Ctrl+D or logout. |
| 18:01.35 | yeonhoo | cahoot, do you know how i can change console font? |
| 18:01.54 | tralala | yeonhoo, man consolechars |
| 18:01.57 | aztec105 | cahoot> no after trying ot start x and it fails I look at the logs and it is failing at finding hte core pointer |
| 18:02.08 | yeonhoo | tralala, ok i willi verify |
| 18:02.18 | cahoot | aztec105, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow |
| 18:02.39 | yeonhoo | tralala, i dont have man file for consolechar |
| 18:02.54 | yeonhoo | tralala, what is the name of this man file to download? |
| 18:02.54 | aztec105 | cahoot> ok |
| 18:03.12 | tralala | yeonhoo, you might have one for consolechars |
| 18:03.24 | aztec105 | cahoot> also may have set the mem to high for the video card :? |
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| 18:03.45 | cahoot | aztec105, leave empty |
| 18:03.50 | x_link | Anybody here using any GUI program to burn CDs with DVD-burner? |
| 18:04.04 | x_link | hmm maybe wrong channel to ask. |
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| 18:04.08 | compDo | hikenboot, how can I send a broadcast message to all users that are currently logged on a machine (via ssh) ? |
| 18:04.13 | x_link | But I can't burn any CDs with my DVD-burner. |
| 18:04.25 | sess | k3b is all I can think off of the top of my head |
| 18:04.27 | cahoot | compDo, wall or such |
| 18:04.47 | Kevin` | x_link wodim or growisofs or .. |
| 18:04.51 | sess | maybe toast? |
| 18:05.04 | Kevin` | oh you want a gui program |
| 18:05.09 | x_link | Kevin`: Yeah. |
| 18:05.23 | Seba_soy | any help with this? kernel: Disabling IRQ #7 |
| 18:05.26 | x_link | I really don't understand why I can't burn CD-R CDs with my DVD-burner in k3b. |
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| 18:05.42 | Kevin` | well, you should be able to |
| 18:06.05 | x_link | I know, but I can't.- |
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| 18:07.45 | printman | hi, why does it says "only root can umount device xxxxxxxx" when attempting to un-mount devices mounted with fuse+ntfs-3g |
| 18:07.47 | sess | x_link apt-cache search cdrecord I think that will give you a list of gui apps as well as console apps, I think toast is gnomes burning app, but I cna't remember for sure, check there |
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| 18:08.35 | aztec105 | cahoot> well partial success |
| 18:08.39 | x_link | sess: I already haave k3b. Thanks anyway. |
| 18:08.43 | dmlb2000 | Is there a standard firewall type scripts for debian? or do I have to use something like shorewall? |
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| 18:09.32 | cast | dmlb2000: just install it, aptitude install shorewall, and read /usr/share/doc/shorewall/README.Debian |
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| 18:10.17 | yeonhoo | tralala, i think consolechars doenst load .ttf files |
| 18:10.18 | sess | x_link its called gnomebaker |
| 18:10.27 | yeonhoo | tralala, i want to change terminal font |
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| 18:11.00 | yeonhoo | how can i change terminal font? |
| 18:11.00 | dmlb2000 | cast: yeah but technically that's a third party package, I was hoping that there'd be a simple 'deny everything except ssh/http/https' type package or something done by debian developers... |
| 18:11.25 | yeonhoo | im trying to change using consolechars but i think it doenst load .ttf font files |
| 18:11.27 | zinx | yeonhoo: it doesn't, and most TTF fonts would probably look bad.. the console font is a fixed-size bitmap font (no kerning/etc) |
| 18:11.28 | x_link | sess: Okej, but I already have a k3b. |
| 18:11.31 | xand | dmlb2000: that's piss easy to do with iptables. |
| 18:11.43 | cast | dmlb2000: how is that technically a third party package? |
| 18:12.05 | cahoot | x_link, run k3b-setup as root? |
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| 18:12.14 | dmlb2000 | cast: shorewall has its own developers, so its not me or debian doing the development, hence third party |
| 18:12.22 | yeonhoo | zinx, ah ok you mean console fonts are fixed-size bitmap not like ttf that has many sizes |
| 18:12.29 | cast | dmlb2000: ahh. i see. |
| 18:12.41 | yeonhoo | zinx, but there is a specific file format to console font? |
| 18:12.41 | aztec105 | cahoot> now get x starting with a terminal window |
| 18:12.47 | cast | dmlb2000: there is /etc/init.d/iptables, but you're not supposed to use that...or something |
| 18:12.54 | zinx | yeonhoo: yeah |
| 18:12.56 | xand | dmlb2000: write a 10 line script and stick it in /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
| 18:13.05 | cast | dmlb2000: woops. its been removed. nevermind :) |
| 18:13.11 | cahoot | aztec105, no window manager installed/started? |
| 18:13.49 | yeonhoo | zinx, ?? what did you mean with yeal? |
| 18:13.49 | zinx | yeonhoo: i think psf is one of the more common ones |
| 18:13.49 | dmlb2000 | xand: is that really the perfered way of doing that? |
| 18:13.49 | x_link | cahoot: OKej |
| 18:13.49 | aztec105 | cahoot> hmmm possible ....gdm should have been installed |
| 18:13.49 | yeonhoo | zinx, do you know where is conf file for terminal font? |
| 18:13.49 | xand | dmlb2000: probably a matter of opinion... it's how I do it |
| 18:13.51 | dmlb2000 | okay... |
| 18:13.52 | cahoot | aztec105, gnome? |
| 18:13.53 | yeonhoo | zinx, to see what font the terminal is using? |
| 18:14.01 | aztec105 | cahoot> yes |
| 18:14.05 | zinx | yeonhoo: i'd imagine it's in /etc/default, but i'm not sure |
| 18:14.17 | aztec105 | cahoot> or would you recommend something else |
| 18:14.23 | zinx | i stopped using the console a while back |
| 18:14.26 | cahoot | aztec105, how did you start x then? |
| 18:14.32 | zinx | before switching to debian :/ |
| 18:14.36 | aztec105 | cahoot> startx |
| 18:14.40 | x_link | cahoot: I couldn't run "k3b-setup" as root in my konsole. |
| 18:15.13 | cahoot | x_link, no error msg? |
| 18:15.30 | x_link | No |
| 18:15.34 | x_link | Nothing at all. |
| 18:15.45 | x_link | I'm burning a DVD now and it works great. |
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| 18:15.50 | aztec105 | cahoot> well I'll be damned GDM was not installed |
| 18:16.04 | helo | anyone know of a commonly installed command-line program that grabs a desktop screenshot of the running X session? |
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| 18:16.15 | cahoot | xwd |
| 18:16.15 | xand | helo: import |
| 18:16.25 | helo | ahh, thats the ticket |
| 18:16.42 | sess | Kevin` well fresh install appears to soft reboot, let go ahead and enable and try suspend... |
| 18:17.06 | aztec105 | cahoot> erg still only have terminal |
| 18:17.18 | sess | Im still getting this stupid error, ATA2: failed to recover some devices, retrying in 5 seconds |
| 18:17.25 | sess | adds an extra minute to my boot time |
| 18:17.36 | cahoot | aztec105, exit x, run invoke-rc.d gdm start |
| 18:17.37 | yeonhoo | IS there a command to know if a specific font is fixed-size bitmap or not? |
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| 18:19.57 | minus | Can someone help me get the Nvidia driver to work with 2.6.21-1-686 ? |
| 18:20.07 | aztec105 | cahoot> rebooted sytem and gdm was invoked |
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| 18:20.49 | aztec105 | cahoot> still only terminal window though |
| 18:20.51 | helo | minus: are you using the debian packages or the nvidia installer? |
| 18:21.08 | cahoot | aztec105, gnome really installed? |
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| 18:21.32 | aztec105 | cahoot> yes... had the Gnome login screen |
| 18:21.42 | minus | helo, I've tried both |
| 18:21.44 | cahoot | that's gdm I suppose |
| 18:22.34 | aztec105 | cahoot> yes |
| 18:23.13 | cahoot | aztec105, if gnome really was installed I think you'd have had gdm too |
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| 18:24.43 | rahul | fucking assweasel |
| 18:24.49 | rahul | BADGERS |
| 18:24.49 | aztec105 | cahoot> well if all else fails you have provided me with some insight on the video adapter selection I may just re-install from scratch...not like this is a production system for me |
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| 18:28.23 | helo | minus: try #nvidia |
| 18:29.07 | minus | helo, found a "guide" so i dont think its nesessary :P |
| 18:30.19 | slack101 | i have made my kernel compiled it and the modules |
| 18:30.25 | slack101 | should i just do a make install |
| 18:30.32 | slack101 | or should i do a more debian way ? |
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| 18:31.34 | aztec105 | cahoot> and considering I have about 10 hours into this system ... I am glad it is not for a "customer" |
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| 18:32.48 | sess | Kevin` half the battle is won! Hibernate worked in debian |
| 18:33.04 | sess | suspend failed to even start however, so I think I've got my work cut out for me |
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| 18:34.30 | wols | is a SOCKS proxy securely transmitting passwords or does it need a SSL tunnel? |
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| 18:35.18 | yeonhoo | how can i change terminal font??!?!?!?! |
| 18:35.38 | yeonhoo | i dont know what extension for terminal |
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| 18:35.56 | flami | wols : This document describes a subnegotiation that provides authentication |
| 18:35.56 | flami | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.56 | flami | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.56 | flami | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.56 | flami | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:35.59 | yeonhoo | im trying to consolechars -f xxxxxxxx/xxxx.ttf |
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| 18:36.01 | flami | woops |
| 18:36.15 | yeonhoo | system say that its not valid extension!!!! |
| 18:36.16 | wols | flami: thank you. SSL it is then |
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| 18:36.24 | flami | http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1929.html |
| 18:36.25 | wols | yeonhoo: less /etc/console-tools/config |
| 18:36.30 | flami | there you can read it :P |
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| 18:38.40 | yeonhoo | SCREEN_FONT=lat1-16 |
| 18:38.40 | yeonhoo | SCREEN_FONT_vc2=lat1-16 |
| 18:38.40 | yeonhoo | SCREEN_FONT_vc3=lat1-16 |
| 18:38.40 | yeonhoo | SCREEN_FONT_vc4=lat1-16 |
| 18:38.41 | yeonhoo | SCREEN_FONT_vc5=lat1-16 |
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| 18:38.56 | cga | hi all, how do i stick the dhcp/my connection??? everytime i login i have to /sbin/dhclinet. thanks |
| 18:38.58 | yeonhoo | yeonhoo> SCREEN_FONT=lat1-16 |
| 18:38.58 | yeonhoo | <yeonhoo> SCREEN_FONT_vc2=lat1-16 |
| 18:38.58 | yeonhoo | <yeonhoo> SCREEN_FONT_vc3=lat1-16 |
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| 18:39.13 | yeonhoo | wols, is this a my font name? |
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| 18:39.19 | dondelelcaro | yeonhoo: please don't paste here. |
| 18:39.20 | yeonhoo | wols, lat1-1 ? |
| 18:39.24 | karsten | !tell yeonhoo about paste |
| 18:39.28 | rahul | doubleyoo. tee. eff. |
| 18:39.29 | Kevin` | cga /etc/network/interfacs has the configuration for this |
| 18:39.39 | cga | thanks Kevin` |
| 18:39.43 | yeonhoo | dondelelcaro, karsten sorry.. |
| 18:39.56 | rahul | somebody play shrek at a theater near me, ffs. |
| 18:40.12 | yeonhoo | -_- |
| 18:40.29 | karsten | OT: http://i17.tinypic.com/4kxy2l1.jpg |
| 18:40.32 | wols | cga: man interfaces |
| 18:40.38 | yeonhoo | hum.. |
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| 18:40.45 | cga | thanks wols |
| 18:41.11 | rahul | eew |
| 18:41.21 | rahul | I don't need the lap dance |
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| 18:41.29 | rahul | I have a provider for that |
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| 18:41.58 | rahul | heh |
| 18:42.04 | anomaly | green suit...hrmm. |
| 18:42.17 | anomaly | forest green, maybe.. or red. heh |
| 18:42.32 | baconbacon | could somebody help me out with debootstraping an etch from the /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 18:43.54 | karsten | !tell baconbacon about ask |
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| 18:46.11 | karsten | baconbacon: Ask your question. |
| 18:46.21 | anomaly | nice to see dpkg scripts still about.. how about apt? |
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| 18:46.28 | baconbacon | im on it |
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| 18:48.32 | baconbacon | OK, I did "apt-move update" to get /mirrors/debian set up. now when i try debootstraping I get http://paste.debian.net/31667 . What do I have to do now? |
| 18:49.18 | yeonhoo | humm.. |
| 18:49.27 | yeonhoo | i still cant change terminal font |
| 18:49.39 | yeonhoo | anyone can help me? |
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| 18:49.51 | anomaly | as in an xterm? |
| 18:49.55 | anomaly | or cli? |
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| 18:50.28 | haxx0r | i get a blank screen when using nvidia-driver for my geforce 6800 gt |
| 18:50.29 | karsten | !mirros |
| 18:50.31 | haxx0r | no error by xinit |
| 18:50.33 | karsten | !mirrors |
| 18:50.33 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 18:50.33 | anomaly | yeonhoo ? |
| 18:50.49 | karsten | baconbacon: Configure your /etc/apt/sources.list correctly. Paste what you've currently got to pastebin. |
| 18:51.01 | yeonhoo | anomaly, xterm |
| 18:51.23 | ChaosR | A small problem, I was going to test the debian freebsd version, but for some reason it automaticly took one of my partitions and basicly destroyed it. It was an ext3 partition, is there are way to either restore or get data from that partition |
| 18:51.37 | yeonhoo | anomaly, i tried firstly using consolechars command but i dont know what file to load |
| 18:51.41 | ChaosR | I think it simply losts its ext3 label |
| 18:51.44 | anomaly | easy...: xterm -font <fontname> |
| 18:51.58 | baconbacon | my sources.list : http://paste.debian.net/31669 |
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| 18:52.15 | yeonhoo | anomaly, what is extension of font? |
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| 18:53.28 | anomaly | yeonhoo since I am feeling nice, here goes: xterm -fn "-*-courier-medium-*" |
| 18:53.40 | anomaly | of course, I do not know all the fonts you have on your personal system |
| 18:53.48 | anomaly | but that one is fairly stock |
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| 18:54.49 | yeonhoo | anomaly, i understood and could you tell where i can see my font's list? |
| 18:54.57 | rudenstam | anyone have any idea how to check how many threads a single process is allowed to have ? |
| 18:55.01 | ChaosR | please, I need the data back, there was some important stuff on it |
| 18:55.18 | yeonhoo | anomaly, i usually fc-list |
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| 18:55.56 | yeonhoo | anomaly, but i dont know where you got this name like -*-courier-medium- |
| 18:56.01 | karsten | baconbacon: Maybe a broken mirror. Try 'aptitude update' and retry, um, what is apt-move anyway? |
| 18:56.16 | pickcoder | how can I mount and format an SRAM PCMCIA card? I've had no luck getting the memory.opts to mount something in /mnt/ |
| 18:56.25 | karsten | !wayttd baconbacon |
| 18:56.25 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, baconbacon? |
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| 18:57.16 | yeonhoo | anomaly, one more.. xterm is not gnome default console? |
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| 18:57.26 | anomaly | lets see.. how about just doing: find / -name "*font*" -print in an xterm |
| 18:57.26 | baconbacon | What I'm trying to do is a debootsrap from the local apt cache |
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| 18:57.41 | anomaly | xterm is a general purpose term. for any wm |
| 18:57.53 | weasel00 | what does this error mean? (gdmsetup:10095): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 18:58.01 | karsten | baconbacon: You don't need apt-move for that. |
| 18:58.11 | karsten | baconbacon: apt-move is used for mirror maintenance. |
| 18:58.18 | anomaly | gee, I dunno... it cannot open the display |
| 18:58.27 | karsten | baconbacon: You're running apt-proxy locally? |
| 18:58.43 | anomaly | weasel00 google the exact error, it almost always gives something useful |
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| 18:59.28 | yeonhoo | anomaly, did you write a correct expression? |
| 18:59.44 | anomaly | heh |
| 18:59.50 | yeonhoo | anomaly, humm.... |
| 18:59.53 | weasel00 | anomaly, i did and it didnt =( |
| 19:00.19 | yeonhoo | anomaly, because it say to follow expressoin blablablabla.... |
| 19:00.24 | xerophyte | ls |
| 19:00.30 | yeonhoo | anomaly, like when you do enter a invalid expression |
| 19:00.32 | anomaly | its not an expression..its a command for a term |
| 19:00.44 | xerophyte | if i have logfile.tar now can i tail around 100 lines ? |
| 19:00.57 | anomaly | man tail, xero |
| 19:01.37 | anomaly | yeonhoo call up an xterm or switch to a cli and type: find / -name "*font*" -print |more |
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| 19:02.21 | baconbacon | karsten: "apt-proxy locally?" No, should I? I'm looking for the simplest way to debootstrap without downloading a lot of stuff from a debian mirror, I thought the local cache could be used but I'm probably going the wrong way |
| 19:02.23 | anomaly | weasel00 did it just start happening? or is this a first install? |
| 19:02.47 | yeonhoo | anomaly, yes i found some directory |
| 19:02.49 | weasel00 | anomaly, fresh install of etch |
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| 19:03.12 | yeonhoo | anomaly, no no its not directory its file |
| 19:03.12 | anomaly | weasel00 does running X manually give you anything? as in "X" or "startx" |
| 19:03.12 | vin` | !greetings |
| 19:03.12 | dpkg | hello, vin` |
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| 19:04.35 | karsten | baconbacon: What's your network connection speed? |
| 19:05.24 | karsten | baconbacon: I suspect you're going to spend more time ironing this out than you would just installing over the network if you've got DSL or better. You can also pre-seed the installation system's package cache by shelling into the system and copying DEBs to it by hand. |
| 19:05.42 | weasel00 | anomaly, im trying to setup ltsp... here is the log from startx http://rafb.net/p/jPxc9661.html |
| 19:06.20 | karsten | baconbacon: If you're planning on doing this sort of thing often, or run multiple Debian systems at a single location, then you'd be very well advised to set up an apt-proxy server (or just set up a caching web proxy, eg: squid). |
| 19:06.27 | anomaly | yeonhoo in xterm, try man xlsfonts :) |
| 19:06.58 | baconbacon | ok |
| 19:07.29 | anomaly | hrmm..terminal server project.. |
| 19:07.30 | yeonhoo | anomaly, linux vvvvvvvvvvvvery is difficult |
| 19:07.43 | yeonhoo | ahhhhhhh and its very stressful |
| 19:07.43 | anomaly | yeonhoo nah, its just really choosey about its friends |
| 19:07.50 | yeonhoo | huhuhu.. |
| 19:08.02 | weasel00 | anomaly, should i go bang on their door? |
| 19:08.10 | karsten | !tell yeonhoo about enter |
| 19:08.18 | dkr | anomaly: that joke is better with the user-friendly prelude. :) |
| 19:08.46 | anomaly | dkr true. |
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| 19:10.12 | yeonhoo | anomaly, good... i cant understand this man file hehehehehehe.. -_-... i dont know what is wildcard....well... just for change a simple font for another.... |
| 19:10.24 | baconbacon | karsten: here, university grade connection, but at home where I'm doing most testing, I'm almost past my bw limit and into the 1$/100MB zone :/. It's I'll just do my bootstrap(s) at univ. |
| 19:10.28 | anomaly | don't mind me though, been listening to back to back episodes of old lugradio |
| 19:10.47 | anomaly | lucky I am not just bleeting "bugger" "bullocks" and etc |
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| 19:11.57 | weasel00 | stupid question.. if i installed as a workstation.. how to get it to start to a console instead of gnome? |
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| 19:12.33 | cast | update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 19:12.44 | anomaly | good call. |
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| 19:14.28 | weasel00 | thank you |
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| 19:14.38 | markusmarky | hi folks |
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| 19:14.45 | markusmarky | does debian have any tool to configure the keyboard from the console? |
| 19:14.48 | markusmarky | such as netenv for the network |
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| 19:17.11 | aarkerio | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.13 | aarkerio | tar -cvfz php-backups.tar.gz / var/www/*.php |
| 19:17.22 | cast | wont work. |
| 19:17.30 | cast | you need the f last |
| 19:17.33 | aarkerio | but only backups files on /var/www/ |
| 19:17.41 | Kevin` | you do not need the f last |
| 19:18.18 | baconbacon | I think you do, |
| 19:18.26 | Kevin` | try it, you don'y.. |
| 19:18.52 | cast | weird. you don't :o |
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| 19:19.30 | baconbacon | tar -cvfz bob.tar.gz * creates a file called z ??? |
| 19:19.36 | baconbacon | whatever |
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| 19:20.37 | cast | tar cvfz bob.tar.gz * worked, tar -cvfz bob.tar.gz * died |
| 19:20.53 | cast | [tar: bob.tar.gz: Cannot stat: No such file or directory] |
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| 19:21.02 | fungo | what's the best way to compile a kernel inside debian? |
| 19:21.33 | pickcoder | this is odd.. the card shows up in cardctl but it's not configured |
| 19:21.35 | cast | fungo: google, its with make-kpkg |
| 19:21.37 | karsten | fungo: Correctly. |
| 19:21.40 | vin` | fungo: install kernel-package, man make-kpkg |
| 19:21.40 | karsten | !kp |
| 19:21.40 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 19:22.04 | rgl | !kp mantra |
| 19:22.04 | dpkg | it has been said that kp mantra is make-kpkg clean && VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') && NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=-$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 19:22.22 | rgl | gag! |
| 19:22.24 | aarkerio | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.25 | vin` | the kp mantra factoid is overkill |
| 19:22.34 | aarkerio | but not recursively |
| 19:22.38 | anomaly | perhaps msg'ng dpkg instead of flooding the chan might be a bit more polite heh |
| 19:22.49 | cast | Kevin`: really does seem that while tar cvfz works fine tar -cvfz doesn't |
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| 19:23.09 | aarkerio | only backup .php on /var/www/*.php |
| 19:23.09 | Kevin` | well, I never use - :) |
| 19:24.08 | fungo | i'm with a friend trying to use htb-tools with debian, and he's telling me it isn't running |
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| 19:24.25 | Gathond | cast: well tar expects the filename after the f so that stands to reason that should be the last argument |
| 19:24.26 | fungo | because of the kernel lack of support to htb |
| 19:24.36 | Gathond | although GNU tar might differ some |
| 19:24.47 | mickky_ | hi |
| 19:25.10 | cast | Gathond: well the confusion to me is why it doesn't work like that if you omit the - |
| 19:25.34 | mickky_ | how is a file sended via scp between a win client and debian server???? |
| 19:25.46 | Gathond | cast: might be some GNU'ishm mode without -, I'm not sure non GNU tars accept that at all |
| 19:26.05 | cast | Gathond: scroll up :) |
| 19:26.05 | aarkerio | my backup command is: |
| 19:26.06 | aarkerio | tar cvfzP backup-php.tar.gz /var/morg/chipotle/centauro/*.php |
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| 19:26.20 | cast | assasukasse: so you want to beackup every file in /var/www? |
| 19:26.25 | aarkerio | but is not recursive |
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| 19:26.49 | cast | aarkerio: ahh. we can do that easily enough with find and cpio or pax |
| 19:26.53 | aarkerio | I have five *.php files but many inside directories |
| 19:27.04 | Gathond | cast: I'm not willing to reread it, I still think its some GNU'ishm, the - thing might be for backward compatibility with other Unixec |
| 19:27.13 | assasukasse | cast: ? |
| 19:27.32 | cast | assasukasse: sorry, was kinda like aarkerio |
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| 19:28.11 | xerophyte | one block how many bytes ? |
| 19:28.43 | assasukasse | cast: :) |
| 19:29.04 | cast | xerophyte: 512 if its a hard disk is the normal |
| 19:29.47 | xerophyte | cast so its 512kbytes am i right |
| 19:30.08 | baconbacon | 2048 for optical disks |
| 19:30.17 | cast | xerophyte: i thought it was 512 bytes, wikipedia will have an article on block devices and/or block sizes :) |
| 19:31.36 | rudenstam | 512 bytes in harddrive sectors usually yes |
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| 19:33.24 | haxx0r | #debian.de sucks - please don't support them |
| 19:33.35 | haxx0r | they're worse then openbsd :D |
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| 19:35.28 | cast | what did they do haxx0r? |
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| 19:40.55 | xand | why hello |
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| 19:42.29 | eifzon | how can i get nvidia-glx-new for debian etch? |
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| 19:43.09 | Kadran | apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 19:44.13 | haxx0r | any great games i can try with my new direct rendering ability? |
| 19:44.17 | eifzon | Kadran: i said -NEW |
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| 19:45.00 | cast | aarkerio: find . -iregex '.*\.php'|pax -vw -f backup.tar might work |
| 19:45.00 | xerophyte | one block is 512 bytes am i right .. is it 1024 .. i mean i have disk says 241746048 blocks and it size 230G .. just wondering how much is a block |
| 19:45.09 | Kadran | you can type the version number for example 'apt-get install nvidia-glx=100.14.09' |
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| 19:45.25 | cast | xerophyte: well divide 230G by 241746048 |
| 19:45.56 | xerophyte | thats give me 1024 as a block |
| 19:46.13 | Fjordside | xerophyte, lasse? |
| 19:46.54 | cast | blockdev --getbsz |
| 19:46.56 | Kadran | haxx0r: i like this fighting game 'gl-117' |
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| 19:47.47 | aarkerio | cast, mercy! |
| 19:47.53 | xerophyte | Fjordside, ? |
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| 19:48.47 | Fjordside | xerophyte, nm |
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| 19:48.58 | markusmarky | Hello |
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| 19:49.06 | markusmarky | does debian have any console tool to configure the keyboard layout? |
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| 19:51.24 | dkr | vi |
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| 19:51.29 | markusmarky | what? |
| 19:51.32 | lusher00 | hello, I am having a heck of a time installing sarge on an old Dell laptop. I dont think Im getting any errors I just dont see any packages when Im done installing. When I try to use apt during the install process I get a warning that im about to delete the running kernel and that is really stupid so dont do it. When I agree not to do it then the install/update of packages exits and i have nothing on my system |
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| 19:52.10 | dkr | markusmarky: do you want to maek a custmo one, or just choose a different default one? |
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| 19:52.30 | markusmarky | dkr: I want to choose a default one. |
| 19:53.07 | Badran | lusher00: change the work stable to sarge in the /etc/apt/sources.list however it would be nice to install etch as it is the current stable |
| 19:53.08 | dkr | you could run dpkg-reconfigure uhm, forgot which package |
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| 19:54.22 | markusmarky | dpkg-reconfigure what :) |
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| 19:55.17 | dkr | hrm, can't find it, but I know one of the base packages let's you choose kb layout.. or maybe use this package. kbd - Linux console font and keytable utilities |
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| 19:55.34 | deny[all] | markusmarky: try dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 19:56.13 | eifzon | anyone can help me get nvidia-glx-new for my debian etch? |
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| 19:57.02 | madclicker | hi, what would this error stand for? "bond0: duplicate address detected!" |
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| 19:58.34 | Badran | eifzon: sorry, maybe i didn't understand you :( what version you wanna install? |
| 19:58.41 | eifzon | Badran: newest one |
| 19:58.45 | eifzon | Badran: but from terminal |
| 19:58.58 | eifzon | Badran: nvidia-glx is very old, and i cant get dualview work with it |
| 19:59.49 | deny[all] | eifzon: why you don't use the source from nvidia and compile them? |
| 20:00.24 | eifzon | deny[all]: if i knew how to do, i would do it? |
| 20:00.28 | Badran | eifzon: so you need to get the latest nvidia driver from the nvidia site and install the kernel header, and compile it |
| 20:00.47 | lusher00 | Badrn: Im not sure how to go about that. There is not much in that file and i dont see anything that looks like it needs to be changed to sarge |
| 20:01.11 | xerophyte | does the debian install support software raid configuration ? |
| 20:01.59 | deny[all] | xerophyte: fake-raid or software? |
| 20:02.14 | xerophyte | deny[all], software raid |
| 20:02.52 | deny[all] | if it software you can make the raid after installation |
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| 20:03.15 | Badran | eifzon: go to this url and download the driver http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html |
| 20:03.55 | Badran | lusher00: you will have a word 'stable' change to 'sarge' if you really wanna install sarge |
| 20:04.01 | eifzon | Badran: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.11.html not that one? :S |
| 20:04.04 | eifzon | cause i use x86 |
| 20:04.59 | Badran | it is Intel Archeticture 32 so it is x86 |
| 20:05.28 | deconvolution | hi, I have an avi file which can play on my desktop debian box, however, it cannot be playback on my laptop which I installed the same packages like my desktop. Do I miss something? |
| 20:05.43 | deny[all] | eifzon: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/HOWTO_Installing_nVidia_Grapics_Drivers_on_Debian_Etch |
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| 20:06.01 | deny[all] | it's not that hard search in google |
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| 20:06.09 | xerophyte | deny[all], actually installation does support raid configuration |
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| 20:07.40 | deny[all] | xerophyte: ok |
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| 20:08.58 | westyvw | USB device shows up in KDE, asks to mount, cant mount. No automonting maybe something wrong with hal? driving me nut. debian sid, worked fine until recently |
| 20:09.49 | jakub_ | hello |
| 20:09.53 | jakub_ | i have problem with my microphone |
| 20:10.07 | jakub_ | i can hear me in normally .. |
| 20:10.12 | jakub_ | in voices from computer |
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| 20:10.17 | jakub_ | but in skype it doesnt work |
| 20:10.17 | jakub_ | :-) |
| 20:10.21 | jakub_ | please help me |
| 20:10.46 | rahul | I hear voices! |
| 20:10.54 | rahul | they're telling me... |
| 20:10.57 | rahul | to go get some food |
| 20:11.19 | stoned | wolsni: man I have to drive to jackson heights |
| 20:11.21 | jakub_ | i cant hear me |
| 20:11.24 | jakub_ | in skype |
| 20:11.25 | stoned | its bullsit |
| 20:11.25 | jakub_ | test call |
| 20:11.27 | jakub_ | please help |
| 20:11.38 | stoned | !enter |
| 20:11.38 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying, and scrolls our windows extraneously. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. We'll be more inclined to help you if you are considerate! |
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| 20:11.42 | rahul | stoned: hah |
| 20:11.45 | andypandy | hi |
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| 20:11.51 | rahul | stoned: julia wants to see that new rat movie with me, heh |
| 20:11.51 | jakub_ | hmm thank you for help |
| 20:11.58 | stoned | wrong guy |
| 20:11.59 | jakub_ | i`m exhausted to it now |
| 20:12.21 | stoned | jakub_: is there a #skype |
| 20:12.25 | jakub_ | no |
| 20:12.29 | jakub_ | but its a global problem |
| 20:12.34 | jakub_ | i cant hear me in teamspeak and other applications |
| 20:13.02 | sess | is there a way to install a generic 2.6.21 kernel in debian without building my own? Im having a little troube getting my Sata drive to boot |
| 20:13.14 | westyvw | have you tried the skype forums? |
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| 20:13.48 | rahul | sess: I think it's in unstable now |
| 20:13.50 | westyvw | you might try using a different mixer, or making sure its connected to the mixer that works |
| 20:13.58 | andypandy | I am about to install etch for the 2nd time and i am going to set up partions manually and use the physical volume for encryption method with loop-aes do I have to be in expert mode to do this? |
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| 20:14.06 | cast | sess: /msg dpkg bpo perhaps |
| 20:14.29 | cydork | sess: are you using etch? |
| 20:14.38 | sess | 4.0 |
| 20:14.45 | Seba_soy | someone can enter on my debian and see why my second ethernet is not working? |
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| 20:14.48 | cydork | sess: then /msg dpkg bpo |
| 20:14.52 | Seba_soy | it has all correct |
| 20:14.56 | Seba_soy | and nothing... :( |
| 20:14.58 | westyvw | i am going nuts with hal and udev, usb wont mount, but kde sees it. Why did it used to work? Did they change the way it interacts with the kernel? |
| 20:15.12 | cydork | sess: backports.org has one. |
| 20:15.21 | jakub_ | thank you |
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| 20:15.49 | jakub_ | debian is still help himself |
| 20:15.53 | jakub_ | dont help to others |
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| 20:16.17 | westyvw | jakub_ i gave you two good ideas. And skype is not FOSS. |
| 20:16.26 | jakub_ | i using alsa or oss |
| 20:16.29 | jakub_ | it can be both |
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| 20:16.50 | TheNetuse | # Appears as ANNA |
| 20:16.51 | cydork | jakub_: blame skype. Its not debian's problem :) |
| 20:16.52 | jakub_ | but my microphone dont works under teamspeak and other applications, i can hear me only in <--- -----> |
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| 20:16.58 | jakub_ | sorry for my english |
| 20:17.02 | jakub_ | if i unmute microphone i can hear it |
| 20:17.03 | TheNetuse | (#G7::E010M1) Hi. |
| 20:17.08 | jakub_ | nothing more |
| 20:17.11 | TheNetuse | (#G=10E210M1) <Chr> |
| 20:17.17 | jakub_ | yes it`s debian problem |
| 20:17.22 | dkr | lol |
| 20:17.33 | dkr | talk about passive aggressive |
| 20:17.36 | sess | here's a better question |
| 20:17.48 | rahul | oh my |
| 20:17.56 | sess | do 'i just need to build sata support into the kernel but can leave all the actual drivers as modulees to still boot from a sata drive? |
| 20:17.57 | rahul | !ops TheNetuse comicchat |
| 20:17.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: rahul complains about: TheNetuse comicchat |
| 20:17.59 | TheNetuse | (#G1<:E;10M1) I have a question about Debian's software license. |
| 20:18.22 | dondelelcaro | TheNetuse: can you please use an IRC client which doesn't stick wierd characters at the start of every line? |
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| 20:18.32 | TheNetuse | (#G210E=10M1) Okay. |
| 20:18.43 | TheNetuse | (#G610E@10M5) will leave |
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| 20:18.46 | Seba_soy | where I can check why my ethernet is not working??... |
| 20:18.54 | Seba_soy | just not send packets |
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| 20:21.07 | westyvw | jakub: settings/options and call your sound device /dev/dsp0 |
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| 20:21.08 | westyvw | does that work? |
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| 20:22.14 | Xik0 | is any easy tutorial to put 3g vodafone card working with kernel 2.6.20? :) |
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| 20:22.46 | WindowsUninstall | Hi all |
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| 20:24.52 | WindowsUninstall | I've a question: which is the inode ratio of standard use of ext3? |
| 20:25.00 | noob_ | i wrote a cron (* * * * * /home/user/script.pl) called runme and dropped it into my cron.d folder, but it doesn't seem like it's running. (I restarted cron.d, but it didn't help) |
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| 20:25.30 | stoned | heence the nick |
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| 20:25.31 | stoned | ;) |
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| 20:25.56 | noob_ | yea |
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| 20:26.10 | lusher00 | Badran: i want the most recent edition but that seems to be what is complaining to me about removing the current kernel image. I dont know Debian, I am a slackware guy but I need Debian for a project. |
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| 20:26.25 | tvynr | noob_: What behavior were you expecting? |
| 20:27.00 | noob_ | tvynr: I wanted the script to run every minute (until I know it's working), then I'll change it to every day. |
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| 20:27.58 | Badran | lusher00: i think you chose no when it asks you about uninstalling the kernel, then so apt-get dist-upgrade and everything would go fine |
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| 20:28.21 | tvynr | noob_: So you modified /etc/crontab to contain that line you described? |
| 20:29.05 | noob_ | no, i just put that "runme" file in cron.d |
| 20:29.06 | noob_ | i thought that might work |
| 20:29.06 | lusher00 | ok i changed that line anyways though, what do i need to do now? |
| 20:29.14 | Badran | apt-get update |
| 20:29.22 | tvynr | Well, according to man cron, it appears that it should. But I'm not clear on the format of the file yet. |
| 20:29.58 | noob_ | tvynr: I just wrote it using nano |
| 20:30.00 | lusher00 | then what? |
| 20:30.28 | tvynr | noob_: Your cron job description looks as if it is lacking the username field. Perhaps it should be "* * * * * user /home/user/script.pl"? |
| 20:30.51 | tvynr | noob_: Look at the /etc/crontab file to see what I mean. |
| 20:30.54 | noob_ | tvynr: can I put "root" in there? |
| 20:31.04 | tvynr | noob_: I should think so, but I wouldn't advise it. |
| 20:31.15 | tvynr | noob_: Thou shalt not take the name of root in vain. ;) |
| 20:31.16 | noob_ | tvynr: if I edit crontab (-e), how do i save when I'm done? |
| 20:31.22 | noob_ | tvynr: heheheh |
| 20:31.22 | Badran | lusher00: apt-get upgrade |
| 20:32.05 | tvynr | noob_: I'd just edit the crontab with vi. According to the comments in my crontab: "Unlike any other crontab you don't have to run the `crontab' command to install the new version when you edit this file and files in /etc/cron.d." |
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| 20:32.37 | lusher00 | the first thing it wants to do is remove the running kernel image and it tells me how stupid this is and that i really shouldnt do it |
| 20:32.44 | lusher00 | all i want is a stupid desktop enviornment |
| 20:33.02 | noob_ | tvynr: I don't know how to change the editor.. i just tried using "crontab -e" but didn't kno whow to save and close |
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| 20:33.51 | tvynr | noob_: Well, with nano I *think* it's Ctrl-O and Ctrl-Q. With vi, you'd press escape (to ensure you're not in insert mode) and then type ":wq". |
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| 20:34.16 | Seba_soy | some guru that can enter on my linux box and check my problem :) |
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| 20:34.41 | Badran | lusher00: apt-get install linux-image-2.6 |
| 20:34.50 | Jonny| | whats the current etch sources.list entries for apt? |
| 20:34.55 | cast | Seba_soy: then backdoor it, download child porn and terrorist propaganda, and laugh when you end up in jail? |
| 20:35.01 | noob_ | tvynr: how do I specify nano as my editor for crontab? |
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| 20:35.09 | noob_ | tvynr: or vi |
| 20:35.20 | helo | lusher00: there are plenty of stupid desktop environments to choose from... knowing you seek stupidity is the first (and most crucial) step |
| 20:35.22 | Seba_soy | just I dont know how to solve my problem |
| 20:35.22 | tvynr | noob_: No idea. I've never used "crontab -e" before. I always just "vi /etc/crontab". |
| 20:35.27 | dkr | export EDITOR=nano |
| 20:35.41 | Jonny| | whats the current etch sources.list entries for apt? |
| 20:35.46 | cast | noob_: is it chmod +x btw? |
| 20:35.48 | tvynr | Seba_soy: Please describe your problem and we'll help you learn how to fix it. ;) |
| 20:35.52 | stew | lusher00: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:35.59 | Seba_soy | my problem is with my ethernets |
| 20:36.00 | dkr | "The -e option is used to edit the current crontab using the editor specified by the VISUAL or EDITOR environment variables" |
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| 20:36.16 | Seba_soy | I have 2, and only 1 works... |
| 20:36.20 | lusher00 | sarge |
| 20:36.23 | Seba_soy | the other one is correct configured.. |
| 20:36.26 | Seba_soy | ip is ok |
| 20:36.28 | Seba_soy | lspci shows ok |
| 20:36.30 | Seba_soy | all is ok |
| 20:36.32 | noob_ | cast: yes, it's +x |
| 20:36.35 | jakub_ | i love linux |
| 20:36.35 | Seba_soy | but, ping and nothing |
| 20:36.36 | jakub_ | i fixed it :-) |
| 20:36.39 | jakub_ | best thing |
| 20:36.43 | jakub_ | alsaconf :-) |
| 20:36.55 | stew | lusher00: and what command did you run that made it try to remove your running kernel? |
| 20:37.00 | noob_ | dkr: so the command is "crontab -e EDITOR=nano" ? |
| 20:37.14 | tvynr | noob_: Nope. EDITOR=nano crontab -e |
| 20:37.28 | lusher00 | apt-get -f install |
| 20:37.29 | dkr | noob_: just set the EDITOR env var in your ~/.bashrc so it is always set as your preferred editor |
| 20:37.36 | tvynr | noob_: Or you can just stick "export EDITOR=nano" in your ~/.bashrc |
| 20:37.40 | Seba_soy | so, I dont know why it is happening!! |
| 20:37.44 | Seba_soy | some irq problem... |
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| 20:37.57 | eifzon | why i get this error when i am trying to start nvidia-settigns? |
| 20:37.58 | eifzon | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 20:37.58 | eifzon | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 20:37.59 | eifzon | (nvidia-settings:3199): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 20:38.03 | noob_ | tvynr: cool.. i can edit with nano now.. thanks guys. |
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| 20:38.13 | noob_ | i'll restart cron now that I have my user in there and see if it works |
| 20:38.20 | stew | lusher00: can you show us the output of " apt-cache policy libc6 " ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:38.25 | Seba_soy | did you read tvynr? |
| 20:38.39 | tvynr | Seba_soy: Let's start with "cat /proc/net/dev"; how many cards show up there? |
| 20:38.40 | dkr | you don't have to restart crond, it checks the config files every minute for changes |
| 20:38.47 | markusmarky | dpkg-reconfigure console-setup does configure the whole console, I would like to configure the keyboard only |
| 20:38.48 | lusher00 | not really because i dont have internet access or a desktop enviornment |
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| 20:38.52 | noob_ | dkr: oh. thot you had to. |
| 20:38.56 | eifzon | anyone can answer my question? |
| 20:39.08 | Seba_soy | tvynr: do you need pastebin? |
| 20:39.11 | Seba_soy | I se 2 cards |
| 20:39.12 | tvynr | eifzon: Use a pastebin. We didn't get your message 'cause you pasted it. |
| 20:39.15 | Seba_soy | I see 2 cards |
| 20:39.17 | stew | lusher00: what does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for "Installed:" and "Candidate:" ? |
| 20:39.32 | markusmarky | any way to configure the "keyboard" only through dpkg-reconfigure console-setup and not the entire console? |
| 20:39.33 | tvynr | Seba_soy: If you see two cards there, then Linux is aware of both of them. |
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| 20:39.40 | tvynr | Seba_soy: Now please pastebin /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:39.52 | eifzon | http://pastebin.ca/596182 tvynr there you got |
| 20:39.54 | yoshio | eifzon: can you start xeyes or any other X program? |
| 20:40.12 | eifzon | yoshio: xeyes? |
| 20:40.32 | lusher00 | 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4 for both |
| 20:40.38 | tvynr | eifzon: Are you running nvidia-settings as root? |
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| 20:40.44 | eifzon | tvynr: yes |
| 20:40.49 | tvynr | eifzon: 'cause your X session isn't owned by root. |
| 20:40.53 | eifzon | ahhh!! |
| 20:40.55 | archangelpetro | eifzon, |
| 20:40.56 | eifzon | it worked without :} |
| 20:40.56 | archangelpetro | yea |
| 20:40.59 | archangelpetro | make sure ur not root |
| 20:41.01 | yoshio | eifzon: when you see the "cannot open display:" that means you can't start any graphical programs |
| 20:41.02 | eifzon | <333 |
| 20:41.07 | eifzon | ok yoshio, ty |
| 20:41.08 | tvynr | eifzon: So do this: gksu nvidia-settings |
| 20:41.19 | tvynr | eifzon: (If the program needs to be run as root, that is.) |
| 20:41.40 | eifzon | When i am trying to save my X config it says like this: ERROR: Unable to remove old X config backup file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup'. |
| 20:41.47 | noob_ | tvynr: thanks for the help, buddy (you too, dkr, cast) .. you solved my problems as usual. |
| 20:41.54 | tvynr | noob_: Glad to help. :) |
| 20:41.59 | archangelpetro | eifzon, that might be because you're not root ;) |
| 20:42.00 | archangelpetro | hehe |
| 20:42.11 | eifzon | archangelpetro: lol |
| 20:42.19 | archangelpetro | i know :/ |
| 20:42.20 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 20:42.35 | Jonny| | whats the current etch sources.list entries for apt? |
| 20:42.37 | archangelpetro | graphical programs can be run as root using gksu |
| 20:42.40 | Seba_soy | tvynr: this is pastebin: http://pastebin.com/939211 |
| 20:42.50 | archangelpetro | but.. to change any files in /etc you need to be root ;) |
| 20:43.03 | sess | is it possible to use APM and ACPI at the same time/ |
| 20:43.04 | sess | ? |
| 20:43.25 | eifzon | archangelpetro: hehe |
| 20:43.31 | archangelpetro | confuzzling? :d |
| 20:43.35 | eifzon | yes :E |
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| 20:43.40 | cast | Jonny|: http://rafb.net/p/Fjbt4K62.txt those are mine, you'll have to get a different mirror but you get the idea :) |
| 20:43.43 | eifzon | I suppose i will learn |
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| 20:44.13 | tvynr | Seba_soy: I'm going to ask you to pastebin the results of two more commands, if that's okay. "ifconfig" and "route -n" |
| 20:44.21 | Seba_soy | ok |
| 20:44.23 | Seba_soy | wait |
| 20:44.35 | eifzon | anyone here using compiz-fusion? |
| 20:45.17 | markusmarky | is there any printer configuration tool on the console? |
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| 20:45.49 | tvynr | markusmarky: You could use "lynx http://localhost:631" to configure CUPS. :-P But other than that, not that I know. |
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| 20:46.24 | archangelpetro | aye |
| 20:46.25 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 20:47.23 | Seba_soy | tvynr: http://pastebin.com/939213 |
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| 20:48.33 | archangelpetro | pastebin is so damn slow |
| 20:48.38 | tvynr | Seba_soy: I'm assuming, of course, that the cards that showed up in /proc/net/dev were "eth0" and "eth1" |
| 20:48.57 | tvynr | archangelpetro: It's being slow-ish for me atm as well. Can't say I'm surprised. |
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| 20:49.05 | Scurz | Where are the mysql databases in the system ? |
| 20:49.06 | archangelpetro | it's always like that |
| 20:49.32 | peregrine007 | wheres the howto for setting up ssh on my server with .deny and .allow. all i find is client side stuff |
| 20:49.39 | archangelpetro | i cant load the page, it's being slooooooooww |
| 20:49.49 | archangelpetro | peregrine007, sshd? |
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| 20:49.57 | peregrine007 | yes! |
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| 20:50.21 | tvynr | Seba_soy: I see what you mean. That all looks fine. What are you trying to ping that you can't reach? |
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| 20:50.41 | Seba_soy | 192.168.0.x |
| 20:50.43 | Seba_soy | wire is OK |
| 20:50.46 | Seba_soy | all is ok |
| 20:50.53 | Seba_soy | card is ok, I tested it |
| 20:51.01 | Seba_soy | it shows link on switch |
| 20:51.06 | tvynr | Seba_soy: Quite sure that the target machine is receiving ping? |
| 20:51.12 | Seba_soy | yes VERY SURE |
| 20:51.20 | Seba_soy | I tested too |
| 20:51.32 | Seba_soy | I was having troubles with IRQ |
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| 20:51.46 | Seba_soy | linux shows "disabling irq xxx" |
| 20:51.47 | tvynr | Seba_soy: Or for that matter, responding to it? I'm curious because I know that, for instance, my gaming box's default settings were to drop ping. But I imagine you've covered that, of course. |
| 20:51.54 | tvynr | Seba_soy: One sec. |
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| 20:52.13 | Seba_soy | I upgraded kernel to 2.6.21 |
| 20:52.23 | kubrick | congrats |
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| 20:53.02 | tvynr | Seba_soy: Hmm... and that seems to have caused the problem? Anything in dmesg beyond the "disabling IRQ" message? |
| 20:53.09 | Gnea | Seba_soy: is that a PCI nic? |
| 20:53.51 | Seba_soy | it was, let me show |
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| 20:54.00 | Seba_soy | now after upgrade kernel not more that |
| 20:54.05 | Seba_soy | but card still not working |
| 20:54.19 | Gnea | Seba_soy: do you have the older kernel installed still? |
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| 20:54.46 | Seba_soy | both, yes |
| 20:54.59 | Seba_soy | it is a problem of APIC |
| 20:55.02 | Seba_soy | ACPI |
| 20:55.03 | Jonny| | whats the current etch sources.list entries for apt? |
| 20:55.03 | Seba_soy | and all that |
| 20:55.15 | Gnea | Seba_soy: if you know the problem, then why are you telling us? |
| 20:55.21 | Seba_soy | I cant install etch if I dont put NOAPIC on kernel parameters |
| 20:55.30 | Seba_soy | I cant solve it |
| 20:55.33 | Seba_soy | dont know how |
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| 20:55.42 | Gnea | then answer the questions and follow directions |
| 20:55.43 | Seba_soy | let me show what I was getting |
| 20:56.14 | Gnea | Seba_soy: either the kernel driver is bad or the nic died or maybe, yeah, it could be an ACPI issue |
| 20:56.58 | Seba_soy | problem is I cant have 2 network cards working |
| 20:56.59 | Gnea | Seba_soy: the only way to PROVE that is to reboot the system to the previous kernel and see if it loses IRQ or not. you may need to restart the 2.6.21 kernel with a pci=routeirq |
| 20:57.00 | Seba_soy | only 1 works |
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| 20:57.35 | Gnea | Seba_soy: that's fine, so just go ahead and follow those directions and see what happens |
| 20:58.18 | utopia | heh just had my freinds over who never ever use computers, only windows-users when they do, and they no problem using my *nix comp..it show's how much linuxs userbility as a workstation has grown! |
| 20:58.21 | tvynr | Seba_soy: Your error looks something like this? "ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APC5] (IRQs *16), disabled." |
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| 20:59.02 | Seba_soy | I will show pastebin |
| 20:59.06 | Gnea | utopia: yeah, it's come a long way :) |
| 20:59.08 | Seba_soy | http://pastebin.com/939226 |
| 20:59.58 | tvynr | utopia: Indeed. I usually put 'em on one of my spare virtual desktops, though, just to make sure they don't mess with any of my open programs and the like. ;) |
| 21:00.01 | utopia | sure gas |
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| 21:00.06 | utopia | s/gas/has/; |
| 21:00.20 | utopia | heh |
| 21:00.32 | slack101 | hey how do i makt a initrg.img ? |
| 21:01.06 | Gnea | !tell slack101 about initrd |
| 21:01.08 | tvynr | slack101: For what purpose? If you need to create something custom in the boot-up process, you'll probably want to look at initramfs-tools. |
| 21:01.08 | slack101 | i need to make a new one for the new kernel i jus compiled and installed |
| 21:01.22 | slack101 | well i know the command and stuff |
| 21:01.37 | slack101 | mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.13.2 2.6.13.2 |
| 21:01.43 | slack101 | theres an exampl command from the readme |
| 21:01.47 | Gnea | Seba_soy: see, that sort of information is useless. if you are unwilling to perform the steps that i have provided, then you don't deserve any help at all. |
| 21:01.54 | tvynr | slack101: If you install the kernel the "Debian Way" (as they are wont to call it), the Debianization of the build process will do all that for you. |
| 21:01.56 | slack101 | but i want it ot make one from the new kerne,ll i just created |
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| 21:02.15 | slack101 | tvynr, yea i didntdo it that way but all modules and the kernel is installed |
| 21:02.19 | Seba_soy | ok it will take some time |
| 21:02.32 | slack101 | i jus need to make the inirg.img or w/e now |
| 21:02.35 | stew | slack101: don't use mkinitrd for kernels newer than 2.6.13, use mkiniramfs if you use udev, or yaird otherwise |
| 21:02.36 | Seba_soy | so, reboot with old kernel and try with pci=routeirq |
| 21:02.52 | slack101 | ok |
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| 21:03.08 | stew | slack101: if you are compiling a kernel, you should be using make-kpkg and passing it the --initrd option, which will cause an initrd to be generated when the pacakge is installed: /msg dpkg kp |
| 21:03.34 | slack101 | stew, i already did a make install |
| 21:03.41 | slack101 | i guesss i could uninstall it |
| 21:04.00 | stew | slack101: just keep it in mind for future reference, this would require a complete recompie |
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| 21:04.16 | slack101 | stew, well its all installed now |
| 21:04.22 | slack101 | i just need ot make the .img and be done |
| 21:04.31 | tvynr | slack101: I used to do my own custom kernels with Debian as well. When I did so, I found it *much* easier to deal with it via the kernel-package tools rather than doing it myself. It gives you roughly the same level of control but integrates the kernel nicely with Debian's packaging system. |
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| 21:04.48 | slack101 | yea i know |
| 21:04.53 | tvynr | slack101: But if all you need to do is build the .img, just take a look at mkinitramfs (I think that's what it's called). |
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| 21:04.56 | slack101 | but i jus did a make install should i uninstall ? |
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| 21:05.43 | tvynr | slack101: Well, your choice. You can either figure out how to do the mkinitramfs manually (which will be faster if it goes smoothly) or uninstall the kernel and do it using the Debian tools (which will take a bit longer but do most of the stuff for you). |
| 21:05.48 | slack101 | what decides what makes the .img ? |
| 21:06.01 | slack101 | the kernel ? |
| 21:06.04 | slack101 | or the config ? |
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| 21:06.24 | Casperu | hello! |
| 21:06.32 | slack101 | what does mkinitramfs look at the kernel or the config to decide how to make it ? |
| 21:06.36 | Casperu | I have a problem : |
| 21:06.36 | Casperu | W: GPG error: http://ftp.lug.ro etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 21:06.37 | Casperu | W: GPG error: http://ftp.ro.debian.org etch Release: Unknown error executing gpg |
| 21:06.39 | Casperu | what means ? |
| 21:06.52 | slack101 | Casperu, what does this mean << |
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| 21:07.26 | Casperu | when i type apt-get update ... gives me that error |
| 21:07.35 | tvynr | slack101: The kernel version decides whether or not the kernel can handle an initramfs. The newer kernels can still handle initrd images IIRC, but initramfs is smoother for several reasons. |
| 21:08.13 | slack101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.50 | Casperu | what can I do with that error ? |
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| 21:09.05 | tvynr | slack101: Looks like an initramfs sorta kernel then. ;) But what's in /lib/modules? You have to give the name of one of those directories to mkinit{ramfs,rd} if I'm remembering right. |
| 21:10.37 | slack101 | tvynr, im trying ot google to see ho to make this image kinda hard |
| 21:11.11 | Casperu | does anybody knows how to solve the problem ? |
| 21:11.40 | tvynr | slack101: Well, "/usr/sbin/mkinitramfs -o /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.21.5-vs2.2.0-rc3.img <insert name found in /lib/modules here>" comes to mind. :) |
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| 21:11.57 | tvynr | Casperu: I'd love to help, but I haven't many clues. |
| 21:12.02 | tvynr | Casperu: Is gpg installed? |
| 21:12.10 | archangelpetro | Casperu, it's because your sources list |
| 21:12.20 | archangelpetro | for the 'multimedia' debian source (probably) |
| 21:12.23 | archangelpetro | you need to register the key |
| 21:12.41 | archangelpetro | ill get you a link, one sec |
| 21:12.43 | Casperu | I tried a lot of repo`s and gives me the same error |
| 21:12.45 | tvynr | archangelpetro: I believe you get a very different error message for that. |
| 21:12.48 | archangelpetro | oh. |
| 21:12.53 | archangelpetro | sorry, i didnt read the whole thing |
| 21:12.54 | archangelpetro | my bad |
| 21:12.55 | Casperu | I reinstalled debian .. and the same error |
| 21:13.09 | tvynr | archangelpetro: It looks like his copy of gpg is actually failing to run properly... although it'd be nice if apt would confess as to why. ;) |
| 21:13.21 | archangelpetro | gdb? ;) |
| 21:13.21 | archangelpetro | hehe |
| 21:14.02 | Casperu | and what you suggest me ? |
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| 21:14.33 | tvynr | Casperu: Does "which gpg" give you the path of gpg? |
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| 21:15.34 | helo | is it possible to read input directly from /dev/psaux? |
| 21:15.42 | Casperu | debian:~# which gpg |
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| 21:15.49 | tvynr | helo: "cat /dev/psaux"? |
| 21:15.58 | tvynr | Casperu: Didn't get anything? |
| 21:15.59 | helo | tvynr: doesn't do anything, as far as i can tell |
| 21:16.04 | Casperu | gives me this: /usr/bin/gpg |
| 21:16.49 | tvynr | Casperu: Ah. Well, that means gpg is at least installed. To tell truth, I don't know why you're having difficulty. apt doesn't keep any logs AFAIK. |
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| 21:17.22 | tvynr | helo: Not sure, then. Certain something's hooked up to it? My mouse is at /dev/input/mice. Or perhaps something else already has the device and that's why you're not getting any data from it? |
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| 21:17.48 | Casperu | pff .. ok :( |
| 21:17.54 | tvynr | Casperu: Sorry. :( |
| 21:18.16 | tvynr | Casperu: You might try again in a couple hours; not many people seem to be about right now. |
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| 21:18.46 | Casperu | k, thx |
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| 21:20.03 | yoshio | tvynr: /var/log/aptitude in Etch |
| 21:20.03 | helo | ohhhh... i was thinking psaux was keyboard... i'm looking for a way to directly read keyboard data |
| 21:20.03 | aeyakovenko | does anyone how do find out what files where installed with a package |
| 21:20.22 | yoshio | aeyakovenko: dpkg -L packagename |
| 21:20.46 | aeyakovenko | yoshio, thanks |
| 21:20.54 | tvynr | helo: Directly? As in not through standard input? |
| 21:20.58 | tvynr | helo: Any particular reason? |
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| 21:21.19 | yoshio | aeyakovenko: if you have a file, and want to search for which package owns it, type dpkg -S filename |
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| 21:21.45 | aeyakovenko | yoshio, ah, thanks that will come in handy |
| 21:22.08 | helo | tvynr: it's a bit complicated... i have this sdl app that needs to read input from a barcode scanner (that masquerades as a keyboard)... the barcode scanner is sending the characters too fast for sdl's polling to pick up the keyup/down events, so i need a different method of accessing keystrokes |
| 21:24.29 | tvynr | helo: Heh... polling? Yick... I can see why. Well, if it's a character device, cat /dev/name should work just fine AFAIK. But I'm guessing it's not. |
| 21:24.43 | eifzon | aeyakovenko: hi |
| 21:24.45 | tvynr | helo: You say it masquerades as a keyboard? So if you scan something, it pops up the barcode as if you typed it? |
| 21:24.54 | helo | it hooks up into the keyboard port |
| 21:24.55 | helo | yeah |
| 21:25.04 | jabka | where can i find kernel-image-2.6.20 for amd SMP ? |
| 21:25.29 | tvynr | helo: Oof... that could get ugly if, say, a USB keyboard were also attached. Hmm... |
| 21:25.57 | helo | i am not going to use a usb keyboard with it :) |
| 21:26.20 | peppe | jabka: all kernel images are SMP since 2.6.something... |
| 21:27.11 | tvynr | helo: Hrm... would it be possible for you to write some C or Python or something? I'm guessing the easiest way to get your hands on that raw input is with a curses library. |
| 21:27.47 | jabka | peppe , strange so why are there kernel version for smp (example: kernel-image-amd64-k8-smp) |
| 21:28.31 | helo | jabka: i think just to appease people used to installing -smp kernels |
| 21:28.43 | jabka | oo .. |
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| 21:30.31 | helo | tvynr: hmm, not really... this app is pretty complicated :) |
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| 21:31.05 | maxamillion | uhmmm... why isn't eth0 in /dev/ ? |
| 21:31.08 | Enverex | Erm, XP used to work, now when Grub tries to boot it it just says "root (hd1,0), Filesystem type unknown, savedefault, makeactive, chainloader +1" but just stays there on that screen |
| 21:31.22 | Enverex | Is Debian likely to have changed anything for that to happen/ |
| 21:31.24 | Enverex | *? |
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| 21:31.28 | gat-man | hey guys |
| 21:31.39 | gat-man | is there a screen recorder on apt? |
| 21:31.45 | rainabba_ | Still not clear; Etch is a specific version of Debian, or just the name for the currently Unstable version. IOW, i installed Etch a few months back. It is still Etch, or is there a new Etch? |
| 21:31.49 | gat-man | the default repos |
| 21:32.02 | peppe | jabka: -smp packages are just for transitions |
| 21:32.13 | tvynr | helo: It strikes me as odd that the SDL would be using a polling approach to something like keyboard input. There isn't an event-based library for input anywhere? |
| 21:32.46 | peppe | jabka: btw, linux kernels are in linux-image-2.6-... packages, not kernel-image |
| 21:33.23 | tvynr | rainabba_: Etch is currently Stable. Lenny is Testing. If you installed Testing Etch (Etch before it was Stable), then there is a "new" Etch, yes. If you installed Etch Stable, the only difference between yours and the current one would be available backports and security patches. |
| 21:33.36 | peppe | gat-man: apt-cache search screen record ... |
| 21:33.40 | helo | tvynr: it is event-based, but i think the underlying mechanism that determines whether a key event is to be generated relies on polling... so my app isn't receiving all of the keydown events that occur |
| 21:34.11 | rainabba_ | tvynr: Ultimately I think it's always going to come down to polling because of the way the key-buffer works. If a library provides an event, it mostly like just abstracting that. |
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| 21:34.42 | tvynr | helo, rainabba_: Devices like keyboards use IRQs for notifying the CPU of input, though, right? It's event-based at the hardware level. |
| 21:34.43 | rainabba_ | tvynr: To make my Etch Stable, I just do apt-get update? |
| 21:34.53 | gat-man | peppe: good idea, lol. |
| 21:35.32 | tvynr | rainabba_: apt-get update will update your sources; definitely do that. But if you want to move to the newest distro specified in your /etc/apt/sources.list (which, in this case, should be "stable" or "etch" and NOT "testing" or "unstable"), run apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 21:35.53 | rainabba_ | tvynr: I'd call Interupts an event-based model, yes. I don't think that's the case for the keyboard though (AFAIK). |
| 21:36.20 | rainabba_ | tvynr: Ty, that makes sense |
| 21:36.51 | tvynr | rainabba_: The difference between apt-get dist-upgrade and just apt-get upgrade is that apt-get dist-upgrade will make rather radical changes if it has to do so in order to move you to the most recent system (such as removing devfs or uninstalling hotplug). |
| 21:37.23 | tvynr | rainabba_: apt-get upgrade, on the other hand, would simply install as much new stuff as it could without causing conflicts. |
| 21:37.31 | rainabba_ | As opposed to package upgrades, what would you call those sort of changes? |
| 21:38.04 | rainabba_ | Refering to devfs and hotplug, etc... |
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| 21:39.01 | jabka | peppe - thank you i found one on unstable (2.6.21) |
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| 21:39.44 | jabka | any one with zd1211 wifi card here (i need to check some thing relating to zd1211rw module) |
| 21:40.54 | tvynr | rainabba_: Package removals? |
| 21:40.59 | nofxx | there is some tool to read logs ? on the prompt |
| 21:41.00 | Zoo | is it possible to install pygtk2.10 on etch? without having to install all those extra packages from unstable? |
| 21:41.03 | tvynr | rainabba_: Not sure what you mean. :) |
| 21:41.17 | tvynr | nofxx: cat? less? ex. less /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:41.37 | rainabba_ | I was thinking it was something different. You're saying dist-upgrade will remove packages if needed whereas upgrade or update won't? |
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| 21:41.45 | nofxx | tvynr, yea I know... I mean some helper like... I add all the logs I want... and then just.. up and down... enter... see it... esc...choose another one |
| 21:41.59 | Zoo | I've almost got compiz-fusion fully configured, however I need pygtk2.10 or higher for ccsm |
| 21:42.26 | tvynr | rainabba_: update is nothing like upgrade; make sure you put that out of your mind. "update" will update the /package lists/ that you have... the information about what packages and versions are available in the repository, for example. "upgrade" will actually install /new/ packages. |
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| 21:42.36 | Zoo | and ever since this guy ewan, taught me how to write a script, thats pretty cool as well, I do also want to compile banshee into my system from svn, but its erroring out from something on there end looks like :S |
| 21:42.41 | tvynr | rainabba_: I run apt-get update before pretty much every apt operation I do. |
| 21:42.45 | tvynr | nofxx: Not AFAIK. |
| 21:42.46 | Zoo | hey tvynr |
| 21:42.59 | tvynr | Zoo: Hi; how goes? |
| 21:43.04 | Zoo | its goin I tell ya lol |
| 21:43.06 | rainabba_ | tvynr: Understood |
| 21:43.30 | Zoo | wondering if its possible to configure pygtk2.10 without having a whole lot of issues, just the fact its needing other packages etc |
| 21:43.48 | tvynr | rainabba_: And yes, your other understanding is correct; dist-upgrade will remove packages if it has to do so to get you up to your preferred distro while upgrade won't remove things unless they conflict with the specific upgrade you requested. |
| 21:44.17 | nofxx | tvynr, ok.. thanks |
| 21:44.23 | Zoo | almost got compiz-fusion working , spent alot of time compiling it into etch, and sorting out dependency issues, and now i have an issue with ccsm needing pygtk2.10 or higher, I swear, always some kind of dependcy issue with deb |
| 21:44.25 | Zoo | :( |
| 21:44.45 | sussudio | %do Zoo |
| 21:44.51 | slack101 | tvynr, what name is the modules ? |
| 21:44.59 | tvynr | Zoo: Well, I'm definitely no expert. But if pygtk2.10 is in unstable, it might have dependencies on other unstable packages. The only other way I can think to get it onto your system is to compile it yourself, which stikes me as less than fun. |
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| 21:45.12 | Zoo | yep |
| 21:45.13 | tvynr | slack101: Sorry? /lib/modules/*? |
| 21:45.30 | Zoo | yeah, thats what I was trying to do as well, I'll show you what i get, when I try to compile it |
| 21:45.43 | Zoo | should just be a ... ./configure --prefix=/usr right? |
| 21:46.22 | Zoo | for compiz-fusion I did, ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr/local --disable-kde |
| 21:46.22 | slack101 | tvynr, how does it know what kernel i am using ? |
| 21:47.17 | Zoo | yep I know its in unstable, thats why I was trying to configure it from source package |
| 21:48.41 | tvynr | slack101: uname -r :) |
| 21:48.45 | Zoo | I'll show you something |
| 21:49.06 | slack101 | tvynr, i dont want to build it for the kernel i am running i want it to build it for the one i just installed |
| 21:49.14 | Zoo | http://pastebin.ca/596350 |
| 21:49.46 | roxy_ | I am trying to use ncftpput. Whit -p and -u option it works, with -f and file with username/password/host it doesn't. Using the d option I can see that with -f, the password is refused. I am 100% sure of the password I cut/paste it. Where could that come from ? |
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| 21:51.08 | Zoo | any ideas? |
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| 21:52.08 | Enverex | Erm, XP used to work, now when Grub tries to boot it it just says "root (hd1,0), Filesystem type unknown, savedefault, makeactive, chainloader +1" but just stays there on that screen |
| 21:52.16 | Zoo | well I guess, I can just get everything it wants, and configure them each, and menipulate them like how I had to do compiz-fusion packages.. until they all make and make install right |
| 21:53.04 | tvynr | Zoo: Am I wrong or is it asking for pygtk2.11 and not pygtk2.10? |
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| 21:54.02 | Zoo | for ccsm? |
| 21:54.12 | tvynr | Zoo: In the thing you just pasted me. |
| 21:54.19 | Zoo | PyGtk 2.10.0 or later required |
| 21:54.31 | Zoo | so when I tried to configure 2.10 I got that |
| 21:54.48 | tvynr | Zoo: Aah. |
| 21:54.49 | Zoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.59 | Zoo | 2.11.1 |
| 21:55.24 | peregrine007_ | what is the equivalent of 'net send' in debian |
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| 21:55.32 | Zoo | well, dl that package |
| 21:55.40 | tvynr | Zoo: The software you're installing... is it possible for you to install a slightly older version which doesn't have such aggressive requirements? I know that's not what you had in mind but you might find it rather more stable. |
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| 21:55.57 | slack101 | man someone who has used mkinitramfs help me out |
| 21:56.01 | slack101 | lol i cant find nothing on it |
| 21:56.04 | peregrine007_ | i.e. net send username 'I'm booting your butt' |
| 21:56.07 | Zoo | will see what happens, I guess its okay to give it this arg, ./configure --prefix=/usr --disable-kde |
| 21:56.27 | Zoo | nope, because all the packages in compiz-fusion are in beta etc |
| 21:56.38 | Zoo | and I compiled compiz-fusion all from git |
| 21:56.44 | eifzon | how do i set a new KDM theme? |
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| 21:56.56 | tvynr | slack101: Sorry, missed your post up there. Run "mkinitramfs --help" to get an idea of the command-line syntax. The general idea is "mkinitramfs -o outputfile.img kernelversion" |
| 21:57.00 | Zoo | and I had dependency hell as well |
| 21:57.08 | Zoo | and used this for the packages , etc.. "./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr/local --disable-kde |
| 21:57.25 | slack101 | tvynr, what would i use for my kernel version in my case ? |
| 21:57.35 | tvynr | slack101: Again, what is in your /lib/modules? |
| 21:57.43 | Zoo | so, for configuring packages and stuff, and compiling.. since I was using that, and a user, using gentoo told me to go ahead and use that.. --prefix=/usr/local --disable-kde |
| 21:57.52 | Zoo | should I use that for configuring all source packages then? |
| 21:57.53 | tvynr | slack101: When you did make install on the kernel, it would've put a directory in /lib/modules |
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| 21:58.13 | slack101 | i dont have that |
| 21:58.30 | slack101 | dont have that ;) |
| 21:58.52 | tvynr | Zoo: I'm really not sure. Each package is going to have its own command-line flags but some of them are going to be similar across packages. I'm not particularly good at source compiling. |
| 21:59.05 | slack101 | tvynr, but i did do a make install and it did put stuff in the /boot etc |
| 21:59.05 | Zoo | tar.gz , theres many ways you can extract the extension eh.. I have seen and done.. tar xzf tar zxf tar -xzvf |
| 21:59.09 | tvynr | slack101: You don't have a /lib/modules directory at all...? |
| 21:59.18 | Zoo | gee, is there really a perfect way of extracting a tar.gz |
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| 21:59.31 | slack101 | my bad i was looking in /usr/lib |
| 21:59.34 | slack101 | yes i have it |
| 21:59.40 | tvynr | slack101: Which directories are in there? |
| 21:59.45 | Zoo | see, and thats what I'm really trying to get better at, I am good with some other things.. :-) |
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| 21:59.57 | slack101 | 3 different kernel versions |
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| 21:59.58 | slack101 | ;) |
| 22:00.02 | Zoo | figured out.. firmware alot better, for getting my wireless working with ubuntu and then debian, back in 2006 |
| 22:00.03 | tvynr | For instance, if I do "ls /lib/modules", I get just one (since I only have one kernel installed): 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 22:00.05 | slack101 | including the one i want to use |
| 22:00.23 | tvynr | slack101: Well, you put that directory name in the kernel version space in the call to mkinitramfs. What is it called there? |
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| 22:00.37 | slack101 | 2.6.21.5-vs2.2.0-rc3 |
| 22:00.40 | Zoo | everything just takes lots of time and patience with a linux distribution, thats for sure.. been interested in messing with gentoo again though and I have the Mandriva Corporate Desktop 4, I am suppose to be testing for Mandriva |
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| 22:00.57 | Zoo | well then I guess I should be asking as well, anything here good as source compiling? |
| 22:01.11 | Zoo | or even taking an rpm package, or deb package, and converting it to source |
| 22:01.13 | tvynr | slack101: So try something like "mkinitramfs -o /boot/initramfs-2.6.21.5-vs2.2.0-rc3.img 2.6.21.5-vs2.2.0-rc3" |
| 22:01.27 | tvynr | Zoo: If you want the source from a Debian package, apt-get source packagename |
| 22:01.31 | Zoo | so much I have to study and really need to read the books I got as well ;P |
| 22:01.38 | Zoo | well rpm for right now |
| 22:01.42 | Zoo | :-) |
| 22:01.47 | tvynr | Zoo: I don't do RedHat. :-P |
| 22:01.50 | Zoo | hee |
| 22:02.10 | Zoo | well , just some packages I want to make into deb from my mandriva system |
| 22:02.15 | Zoo | and also support other users.. :-) |
| 22:02.16 | slack101 | tvynr, worked only its called initramfs-2.6.21.5-vs2.2.0-rc3.img |
| 22:02.32 | slack101 | i think it should be like initrd.* |
| 22:02.37 | slack101 | right ? |
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| 22:02.41 | Zoo | erm, well then let me check on that as well, but I guess its safe to do.. ./configure --prefix=/usr eh? |
| 22:02.56 | Zoo | is there anyone for pete sakes out of all the 714 users here, know about source compling lol |
| 22:03.05 | Zoo | ^_^ |
| 22:03.46 | Zoo | lol |
| 22:03.50 | Zoo | iphone goes on sale at 6 |
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| 22:04.13 | Zoo | I would call up AT&T and be like, I want 1, because I have good credit for them, but I'm just going to wait.. until prices drop, and they improve the space, and fix the bugs |
| 22:04.21 | slack101 | tvynr, mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.21.5-vs2.2.0-rc3 2.6.21.5-vs2.2.0-rc3 does this look ok ? |
| 22:05.57 | Zoo | I'll get it all figured out though tvynr, I am determined :-) |
| 22:06.00 | tvynr | slack101: Yeah, sure; change the filename to whatever you want, so long as you point GRUB or LILO or whatever to it. :) |
| 22:06.05 | slack101 | tvynr, do i need to update the symbolic link thing in my / dir too ? |
| 22:06.12 | slack101 | tvynr, yea already did that |
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| 22:06.24 | slack101 | what about the inird and the vmlinuz file in my / dir ? |
| 22:06.25 | tvynr | Zoo: Good luck. :) |
| 22:06.35 | peregrine007_ | i figured it out, to talk to another user on your linux bow its write username Hey Spanky! |
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| 22:06.41 | peregrine007_ | box* |
| 22:06.52 | tvynr | slack101: You can update those if you like. I'm not sure why they'd be necessary other than establishing defaults. |
| 22:07.08 | slack101 | so jus dont owrry about them ? |
| 22:07.19 | Zoo | oh okay, so I just have to find out where python is installed |
| 22:07.27 | eifzon | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://download.tuxfamily.org ./ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/download.tuxfamily.org_myberyl_shame_debian-sid_beryl-svn_unstable-daily_._Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) , how can i fix that? |
| 22:07.34 | madclicker | is there a way to get etch installer to ask for additional modules to load during install? |
| 22:07.42 | tvynr | slack101: I wouldn't. Of course, it's all of these little details that make me like Debian kernel packaging. Take a look into it once you have everything running the way you want. |
| 22:07.52 | tvynr | eifzon: apt-get update? :) |
| 22:08.31 | eifzon | tvynr: still same problem |
| 22:08.40 | slack101 | tvynr, i mean they dont do much do i ? |
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| 22:09.33 | tvynr | eifzon: Hrm... not sure. If you did an apt-get update, apt should clean up the repository listing. What does your sources.list look like? |
| 22:09.45 | tvynr | slack101: I wouldn't bother with them. |
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| 22:10.18 | eifzon | tvynr: ill paste |
| 22:10.51 | eifzon | http://pastebin.ca/596371 tvynr |
| 22:11.20 | Gryfelhase | Hello. I'm installing Sarge on a laptop with only a cd-romdrive and a external (usb)-dvd-rom. |
| 22:11.26 | pickcoder | eifzon: there is no Packages file at that URL. is that a valid debian repos? |
| 22:11.47 | eifzon | pickcoder: i dont know :P |
| 22:11.49 | eifzon | a guy wrote it to me |
| 22:11.51 | Gryfelhase | I use the netinstall cd and tell in the base-config it should use /dev/scd0 |
| 22:11.57 | tvynr | eifzon: Does the apt-get update for that last entry succeed in getting a copy of the repostory's listing? |
| 22:12.04 | Gryfelhase | to read my dvds |
| 22:12.13 | eifzon | tvynr: shall i remove that last line? |
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| 22:12.27 | tvynr | eifzon: If you remove it and run apt-get update, the problem will probably go away. :) |
| 22:12.33 | eifzon | Ok |
| 22:13.06 | eifzon | yes! |
| 22:13.21 | Gryfelhase | I removed the link /media/cdrom from tghe internal drive to the external dvd-rom |
| 22:13.50 | Gryfelhase | and now i must always mount the dvd-rom manual |
| 22:14.20 | Gryfelhase | is there a solution so that it (apt) mount the dvds by itself ? |
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| 22:24.19 | slack101 | tvynr, any other thing i should check ? befroe i restart |
| 22:24.35 | nofxx | anyone tryed this kind of thing ? http://coolblog.profit42.com/2007/06/25/osx-10410-vista-dual-boot-intelamd/ |
| 22:24.47 | nofxx | the guy even says osX runs faster then on the ppc!!! xDDD |
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| 22:26.02 | lymeca | nofxx: I hardly see what dual-booting two proprietary operating systems has to do with Debian. |
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| 22:27.05 | lymeca | Besides, if the x86 CPU is considerably faster than the PPC CPU on which Mac OS X runs, then of course it will perform better. Looking into the future where Apple is no longer selling PPC machines and x86 technology only gets faster, yes of course Mac OS X will perform better from now on with x86 CPUs. |
| 22:27.23 | jelly-home | future? |
| 22:27.58 | nofxx | lymeca, I wish I could run osX .. its like having the best of both worlds |
| 22:28.19 | nofxx | and in my scenario I would change to osX / some linux distro xD |
| 22:28.20 | lymeca | jelly-home: Aye, future and present. ;-] |
| 22:28.46 | illo | nofxx i used to run mac on linux, it worked :) i didn't like osx 10.2 console anyway. |
| 22:29.02 | illo | nofxx maconlinux, thatis |
| 22:29.04 | illo | :) |
| 22:29.04 | lymeca | nofxx: In that case, yes it is possible to install Mac OS X on a non-Apple x86 machine and dual-boot it alongside, say, Debian. I doubt you'd get support for that process here though. |
| 22:29.22 | nofxx | illo, on a virtual machine? |
| 22:29.40 | illo | no, nofxx mac on linux on powerpc, no emulation. near native speed. |
| 22:29.51 | nofxx | lymeca, yea.. cool.. just to talk about it... not asking for support xD |
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| 22:32.00 | lymeca | Theoretically it's also possible to virtualise Mac OS X unmodified as a domU guest OS with Xen as long as you have the CPU extensions to support native virtualisation. |
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| 22:32.10 | lymeca | I've never tried that myself though. |
| 22:32.28 | Guerin | the major question is: why bother? |
| 22:32.28 | nofxx | lymeca, sse3? |
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| 22:33.04 | lymeca | Guerin: I suppose if you were developing a cross-platform application to run on both GNU+Linux and Mac OS X... |
| 22:33.12 | nofxx | Guerin, ahh.. just wanna try osX without paying jobs's acid trips |
| 22:33.21 | nofxx | lymeca, and that... |
| 22:33.29 | Guerin | nofxx: you still have to *buy* osx, though |
| 22:33.45 | lymeca | It sounds like we have a software pirate in our midst =] |
| 22:33.46 | nofxx | Guerin, isnt a 30-day trial ?? xDDD |
| 22:33.56 | oush | Is debian suitable for running a HTTP Server, Mail Server and an IRC Bouncer from? |
| 22:33.57 | Guerin | nofxx: you lose. |
| 22:34.05 | Guerin | pirating shitty software is *lame* |
| 22:34.12 | oush | me? |
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| 22:34.42 | _RedShift_ | Supaplex, fixed that stupid connection problem I was having. |
| 22:34.47 | lymeca | I'm not aware of a 30-day trial for Mac OS X. You can't even buy an OS X license without an Apple computer... |
| 22:34.52 | lymeca | oush: Sure it is. |
| 22:35.05 | illo | If there ever were a time to sell stand alone OSX it was just before vista, with the ipod making headlines and windows XP behind everyone else Well, not my biz |
| 22:35.12 | oush | is it hard to learn how to use? And whats the uptime usually like? |
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| 22:35.17 | oush | DOes it support most drivers? |
| 22:35.32 | Guerin | oush: it supports more drivers than any version if windows ever has. |
| 22:35.37 | Guerin | s/if/of/ |
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| 22:35.44 | oush | debian is free? :P |
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| 22:35.54 | Guerin | oush: no, it costs you $0.00 |
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| 22:36.08 | Guerin | oush: per-copy |
| 22:36.09 | nofxxxx | Guerin, . just wanna play around a lil... never touched osX |
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| 22:36.21 | Guerin | oush: and you have to pay double if you want to give copies to your friends |
| 22:36.22 | lymeca | oush: Have you used a distribution of GNU+Linux before? |
| 22:36.26 | oxylin | Hi, I wonder if it's unsecure to build a server with a debian testing? |
| 22:36.37 | _RedShift_ | oxylin, it's what my server runs. |
| 22:36.39 | Guerin | oush: depends how vigilant you are. |
| 22:36.44 | oush | yesh iv used Ubuntu |
| 22:36.48 | oush | for a few months |
| 22:36.51 | Guerin | oxylin: depends how vigilant you are. |
| 22:36.53 | oush | and backtrack |
| 22:37.02 | ezu5t | hi - i just installed a package that had the incorrect version in its CONTROL file, so the filename looks like packagename-1.4.deb and the control file says it's version 1.3. Now I can't remove the package, it keeps telling me " Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal.". I would do that if I could, but it won't let me. How can I manually get rid of all traces of this bad package? |
| 22:37.20 | lymeca | oush: Debian is Free Software. All packages officially supported and in the Debian operating system are Freely licensed according to the Free Software Guildlines in Debian's social contract here: http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 22:37.22 | oxylin | _RedShift_, do you have significants problem linked with the testing release? |
| 22:37.33 | _RedShift_ | oxylin, haven't had a problem at all. |
| 22:37.38 | Guerin | ezu5t: which package, in what branch? |
| 22:37.48 | oxylin | Guerin, I'm vigilant, why do you say thaht? for security updates? |
| 22:37.48 | oush | thanks |
| 22:37.49 | ezu5t | it's not a package I got from debian, it's one I'm making myself |
| 22:38.03 | _RedShift_ | oxylin, been running for over a year, now |
| 22:38.03 | Guerin | oxylin: there *are* security issues with testing, because it gets irregular security updates. |
| 22:38.05 | lymeca | oush: Ubuntu is based off of Debian so they are very similar. Especially since Ubuntu uses the same package technology as Debian, APT. |
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| 22:38.21 | Guerin | and just because _RedShift_ has had no problems (that he's aware of) doesn't mean there aren't any |
| 22:38.34 | oush | Debian has a server version? |
| 22:38.43 | oxylin | _RedShift_, ok . Do you have some advice for me? I'm a bit new to server administration |
| 22:38.54 | Guerin | oxylin: basically, running testing means you need to take responsibility for monitoring security.debian.org and backporting your own packages |
| 22:38.56 | illo | oush server vs. desktop is more of a marketing distinction, not a functional one |
| 22:39.03 | oush | ahh ok |
| 22:39.03 | lymeca | oush: Debian doesn't split up versions for Desktop, Server, and Mobile like Ubuntu. |
| 22:39.07 | Guerin | oxylin: i strongly advise you to run stable if you don't know what that means |
| 22:39.15 | oush | [alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] [source] [multi-arch] |
| 22:39.21 | oush | which do i download for a p4 64 bit pc? |
| 22:39.24 | Guerin | oush: you want 1386 |
| 22:39.32 | Guerin | you don't want to use amd64 |
| 22:39.40 | oush | i386 supports 64 bit? |
| 22:39.41 | lymeca | oush: Debian has a very large amount of software for running a server or a desktop. |
| 22:39.43 | Guerin | because a bunch of stuff still doesn't work on it |
| 22:40.04 | oxylin | Guerin, I know what's monitoring... I a bit new to that things but i've no problems to get this responsability |
| 22:40.07 | oush | i see |
| 22:40.15 | slack101 | tvynr, didnt work |
| 22:40.18 | oush | so not worth installing 64 bit then? |
| 22:40.19 | lymeca | oush: Of those architectures listed, you would be ABLE to run amd64 or i386, which are 64-bit x86 and 32-bit x86 respectively. |
| 22:40.43 | oush | i see ok |
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| 22:40.48 | oush | i should go for i386 then :) |
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| 22:41.09 | oxylin | Guerin, testing much more unsecure than stable? I need testing to install a correct vserver for my server architecture |
| 22:41.11 | lymeca | oush: While I run amd64 Debian myself, I agree with Guerin and will recommend you use the i386 compiled version. |
| 22:41.16 | Guerin | oxylin: ok. it's quite a lot of work. I'd still advise running stable; you can always upgrade to testing if you need to, but you can't go back the other way. |
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| 22:41.23 | oush | ok thanks |
| 22:41.27 | bobofetth | ah yes the mighty debian distribution |
| 22:41.39 | bobofetth | archlinux might cut into his popularity yes yes |
| 22:41.46 | bobofetth | yeahehahaeesss |
| 22:41.57 | oxylin | Guerin, ok... I notice... |
| 22:42.01 | Guerin | oxylin: it's variable. Some weeks it's fine, others it's not. The problem is that a major security hole in stable might take hours or days to fix, whereas it might take weeks in testing. |
| 22:42.07 | oush | so just to clarriy im kinda slow so sorry about this |
| 22:42.11 | oush | i386 IS 64bit yes? |
| 22:42.16 | Guerin | bobofetth: not really. Not that we care. |
| 22:42.17 | Enverex | How do I get GIT to use nano rather than Vi? |
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| 22:42.43 | Guerin | oush: no, i386 is 32-boit intel and clones. amd64 is 654-bit amd and clones (including modern intel) |
| 22:42.48 | Gul | hey there, where is the best place to execute my firewall script (iptables)? since there is no /etc/sysconfig/iptables in debian |
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| 22:43.13 | oush | i see |
| 22:43.14 | Guerin | Gul: I put mine in an `up' statement on my interface, see man interfaces |
| 22:43.19 | sussudio | %sysconfig |
| 22:43.23 | lymeca | oush: No. i386 = 32-bit x86. Your CPU can SUPPORT running 64-bit x86 (aka amd64 or em64t) compiled operating systems and software, but it can also simply run a 32-bit x86 (aka i386) operating system at native speed. |
| 22:43.25 | oush | would it be hard to upgrade from 32 to 64 in the future when 64 is more stabler? |
| 22:43.28 | illo | gul i'd say an init.d script? see what arno-iptables-firewall package does and do the same |
| 22:43.45 | Guerin | oush: it's quite hard to switch arches, yes. |
| 22:43.49 | _RedShift_ | one thing i've always wondered... is it possible to force a mass-downgrade from, say, unstable to testing? |
| 22:43.56 | Guerin | _RedShift_: no. |
| 22:44.02 | oush | so why shouldnt i go for the 64 bit? due to it not being stable? |
| 22:44.04 | oxylin | Guerin, Ok. Then I have another question... I have to patch the kernel 2.6.18 because my server have a via C7 processor and I have to be compatible with vserver at the same time, how can I do that? what's the best way? I tried to patch the kernel for 686, with vserver support, but patch give me errors |
| 22:44.06 | oush | surely thats being patched? |
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| 22:44.36 | Guerin | oxylin: it is stable, but certain things simply don't work. I don't know the whole list, but these reputedly include java, flash and wine, and probably some others |
| 22:44.39 | Gul | Guerin: thx, i think that is a good idea |
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| 22:44.56 | lymeca | oush: You would need to reinstall from scratch to switch from one microarchitecture to another. I did it recently and it was quite easy for me because I keep my /home directory on a different partition so all I needed to do was wipe my small / partition and reinstall Debian and all my data and application settings stayed the same. |
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| 22:45.16 | Guerin | oxylin: i would get a vanilla kernel.org source and patch that, then build it with make-kpkg (/msg dpkg kp mantra) |
| 22:45.31 | oxylin | ok |
| 22:45.31 | Guerin | Gul: works for me |
| 22:45.40 | oush | ok im going to take a risk and go wit h64 |
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| 22:45.46 | Guerin | oush: good luck. |
| 22:45.52 | oxylin | thanks for you answer... I've to go |
| 22:45.59 | oxylin | bye and thx a lot |
| 22:46.00 | oxylin | ++ |
| 22:46.05 | oush | would the amd64 support Intel chips? Why havent they got one called Intel :P |
| 22:46.23 | Guerin | oush: names mean nothing |
| 22:46.31 | oush | ok i see |
| 22:46.44 | oush | so the amd64 one would be the best for my intel 64 bit chip right? |
| 22:46.45 | lymeca | oush: It's not that 64-bit x86 Debian isn't as stable, there's just more of a chance odd thigns will work fine with i386 because it's been around longer and there's more 32-bit software out there. |
| 22:46.56 | oush | ahh i see |
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| 22:47.40 | oush | so whats the ia64? |
| 22:47.44 | lymeca | oush: It's called AMD64 because AMD created these particular 64-bit extensions. They are also sometimes referred to as x86_64. Intel later adapted them and called them EM64T. So AMD64 = EM64T = x86_64. They all refer to the same thing for all intents and purposes. |
| 22:48.08 | oush | ok i see |
| 22:48.39 | Guerin | ia64 is quite different, though |
| 22:48.43 | oush | whats that then? |
| 22:48.50 | jelly-home | !itanium |
| 22:48.51 | dpkg | hmm... itanium is intels 64 bit processor, or vaporware |
| 22:48.52 | Guerin | itanium, a completely different CPU |
| 22:48.56 | lymeca | oush: IA-64 is something completely different. Before AMD64 was created, Intel made their own 64-bit extensions called IA-64 or Intel Architecture 64-bit. This largely failed because IA-64 is not backwards compatable with normal 32-bit x86 code. So you can't install and run an IA-64 OS on your IA-64 CPU and run i386 code at native speeds. |
| 22:49.16 | oush | ok i get ya |
| 22:49.19 | oush | thank u for all ur help |
| 22:49.23 | Guerin | someone got fired over that decision |
| 22:49.26 | oush | im just download amd64 right now :) |
| 22:49.35 | lymeca | oush: However, with my AMD64/x86_64 Debian I can run software compiled for i386 32-bit at native speeds with no problems. |
| 22:49.57 | jelly-home | i thinks that are good dicision |
| 22:50.00 | oush | and ur processor is AMD? |
| 22:50.16 | Guerin | jelly-home: the only good use for a filing cabinet, as far as I figure |
| 22:50.46 | lymeca | oush: Yes I have an AMD CPU which supports x86_64 extensions. It shouldn't matter if your CPU is AMD or Intel though, as long as it supports x86_64 (also called AMD64 and EM64T, remember). |
| 22:51.09 | oush | oh yeh true |
| 22:51.13 | oush | ok thanks alot everyone! |
| 22:51.14 | oush | :) |
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| 22:51.17 | Guerin | !alot |
| 22:51.17 | dpkg | Yeah, I'd like to allot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think alot is a word. |
| 22:51.22 | Guerin | grrr |
| 22:51.24 | lymeca | Hahaha |
| 22:51.25 | Internat | Howdy all.. im basicly trying to come up with a way of recursive group quotas.. if i give groupa 200mb, and groub2 100mb, whatever groupb uses i want to be counted in groupas quota as well |
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| 22:51.53 | jelly-home | Internat: create a third group with separate settings? |
| 22:52.09 | oush | lol |
| 22:52.14 | Internat | nah.. not really an option |
| 22:52.26 | lymeca | Any idea why there is no linux-image-xen-amd64 (or even i386) package in unstable? |
| 22:52.33 | Guerin | sounds like the rube goldberg quota management system |
| 22:52.38 | jelly-home | ah, but changing sematics of POSIX quotas is? |
| 22:52.47 | Internat | jelly-home: sure :) |
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| 22:53.01 | Internat | rube goldberg quota system?? |
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| 22:53.12 | Guerin | !rube goldberg install |
| 22:53.12 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 22:53.22 | Guerin | Internat: one which is far more complicated than necessary |
| 22:53.31 | jelly-home | usb dot matrix printer?? |
| 22:53.37 | Internat | i was hoping that if a group was a memeber of a group that the qutoas would wokr that way, but apparently you cant have a group as a memeber of a group |
| 22:53.42 | Guerin | jelly-home: hilarious, isn't it |
| 22:53.58 | jelly-home | Guerin: well, punch card readers at least exist |
| 22:54.07 | Guerin | tvynr: but you could make each indivisual user members of more than one quota group, no? |
| 22:54.29 | Guerin | jelly-home: it's comedy, son. Laugh. |
| 22:54.50 | _RedShift_ | Guerin, tough crowd, tough crowd |
| 22:55.03 | jelly-home | Guerin: comedy doesn't have to be nonsensical! |
| 22:55.06 | Guerin | *pfft* *pfft*, is this thing on? |
| 22:55.28 | jelly-home | an* |
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| 22:55.46 | jelly-home | splat |
| 22:55.49 | Internat | yeah.. i could, but im trying to keep the users out of this.. and have it managed solely by group quotas |
| 22:55.55 | Guerin | jelly-home: now THIS is comedy |
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| 22:56.42 | WindowsUninstall | Hi * |
| 22:56.45 | jelly-home | Guerin's excellent adventure is about to start! |
| 22:56.54 | Internat | anywho on the note of quotas.. i was reading somewhere, that for file storage with quotas.. xfs is probably the better way to go.. any one aggree/disagree? |
| 22:57.53 | _RedShift_ | !start an fs war |
| 22:57.53 | dpkg | Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency! |
| 22:58.10 | Guerin | time to charge the powertools, lock up the cats and crank up the chicago blues |
| 22:58.33 | Internat | bah! i wasnt meaning in that terms, just the article mentioned that XFS had better support for quotas, hence me asking |
| 22:58.35 | WindowsUninstall | http://pastebin.ca/596420 |
| 22:58.38 | WindowsUninstall | damn! |
| 22:58.43 | Zoo | I"m figuring this stuff out better than before |
| 22:58.45 | Zoo | http://pastebin.ca/596421 |
| 22:59.16 | WindowsUninstall | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.20 | Zoo | heh |
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| 22:59.31 | WindowsUninstall | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.56 | WindowsUninstall | Does it means that php4 need php5 |
| 22:59.58 | WindowsUninstall | ? |
| 22:59.59 | Zoo | I"m feelin a little bit better |
| 23:00.10 | jelly-home | WindowsUninstall: do you have a deb line with security.debian.org in your sources.list? |
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| 23:00.19 | WindowsUninstall | jelly-home, yes |
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| 23:00.48 | Zoo | ah dang, I got happy too quick |
| 23:00.52 | whooper_ | hello.. ive just installed debian and have trouble getting wlan to work.. drivers seem fine and all, but can't get iwconfig to work.. can anyone recommend some graphical utility to do this? |
| 23:01.22 | WindowsUninstall | jelly-home, I have to comment it? |
| 23:01.23 | denoob | can somone point me to some documentation how I might be able to use the sid kernel in etch? |
| 23:01.24 | WindowsUninstall | *them |
| 23:01.45 | jelly-home | WindowsUninstall: no |
| 23:01.50 | WindowsUninstall | nozy, it doesn't seem a solution :/ |
| 23:02.24 | techbee1 | denoob:!backport |
| 23:02.53 | denoob | thanks ill check that out |
| 23:03.10 | denoob | !backport |
| 23:03.10 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get ... |
| 23:03.20 | WindowsUninstall | jelly-home, What I should do? |
| 23:03.42 | Zoo | okay, maybe someone can help me with issues with gtkmodules |
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| 23:04.43 | jelly-home | WindowsUninstall: does "apt-cache policy php5-common" show 5.2.0-8+etch4 version of php5-common as available? |
| 23:04.50 | Zoo | http://pastebin.ca/596426 |
| 23:05.22 | h3sp4wn | I thought that backports was pinned to 200 so you wouldn't get them *all* |
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| 23:05.41 | WindowsUninstall | jelly-home, no |
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| 23:05.51 | jelly-home | WindowsUninstall: try doing an apt-get update if it doesn't. If it's not available after that, you probably don't have a correct line for security.d.o |
| 23:06.28 | WindowsUninstall | jelly-home, OK. I redo apt-get update |
| 23:07.05 | WindowsUninstall | Nothing change |
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| 23:07.31 | jelly-home | WindowsUninstall: pastebin your sources.list or confirm that you have "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in it |
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| 23:07.58 | jelly-home | WindowsUninstall: possibly with "etch" instead of "stable", and maybe "contrib non-free" missing |
| 23:08.23 | WindowsUninstall | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free <-- right |
| 23:08.39 | jelly-home | WindowsUninstall: looks about right, yes |
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| 23:10.46 | jelly-home | WindowsUninstall: that line works here (on i386 arch) and gives me php5-common 5.2.0-8+etch4 |
| 23:10.49 | WindowsUninstall | jelly-home, I've just installed this system |
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| 23:11.01 | WindowsUninstall | jelly-home, Anyway I don't want php5 |
| 23:11.11 | jelly-home | WindowsUninstall: that's just php5-common |
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| 23:12.19 | jelly-home | WindowsUninstall: you won't be getting a php5 interpreter |
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| 23:12.59 | WindowsUninstall | jelly-home, OK. I discovered the problem: is securety.debian |
| 23:13.15 | WindowsUninstall | s/securety/security/ |
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| 23:19.31 | _RedShift_ | in xfs, how much of a performance benefit does mounting with noatime give? |
| 23:20.08 | rahul | _RedShift_: anywhere from 1 to 50% |
| 23:20.22 | rahul | depends how often you access files without modifying them |
| 23:20.25 | MangosDebian | _RedShift_: if I get in a care and drive, how fast do I go |
| 23:20.38 | rahul | your care drives? |
| 23:20.39 | MangosDebian | car* |
| 23:20.42 | rahul | heh |
| 23:20.43 | MangosDebian | :) |
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| 23:21.33 | westyvw | Usb automount isnt working. Kde catches the devices, but when I go to mount I get an error. Used to work, somethings changed. Debian Sid |
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| 23:22.33 | stoned | rahul: sup |
| 23:22.56 | WindowsUninstall | jelly-home, Anyway I can't install them: php4-domxml: Depends: php4-common (= 6:4.4.4-8+etch1) but 6:4.4.4-8+etch3 is to be installed |
| 23:23.02 | westyvw | anyone able to explain udev and hal and why that can couse problems? |
| 23:23.19 | rahul | stoned: not much |
| 23:23.43 | rahul | stoned: julia REALLY wanted to see shrek, which is only playing in forest hills, so I have tonight free |
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| 23:24.41 | stoned | hey msg |
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| 23:25.26 | bonez44 | how do I stop this >>> 2007-06-29 17:16:40 1I4IqM-0007zP-46 SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<terson@domain.com>: host smtp.comcast.net [204.127.200.17]: 450 [TEMPFAIL] destination not valid within DNS |
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| 23:25.58 | ezu5t | Guerin: dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq --remove packageName was what I needed to do to get rid of this bad package, fyi |
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| 23:29.22 | westyvw | no ideas about my usbmounting problems eh? |
| 23:29.54 | HostilePenguin | what do i use for printing server i want to be able to print to a printer from 5 debian boxes |
| 23:30.11 | Guerin | HostilePenguin: install cups on all of them and it will work automagically |
| 23:30.12 | MangosDebian | westyvw: i think nobody cares since you said "sid" :) |
| 23:30.18 | Guerin | HostilePenguin: (once you configure the print server) |
| 23:30.32 | Guerin | MangosDebian: right you are |
| 23:30.33 | westyvw | MangosDebian: ok, i guess i could see that |
| 23:30.42 | MangosDebian | westyvw: i mean, if something doesnt work in sid, you check bug tracker, not here :) |
| 23:31.32 | westyvw | I dont think its a sid issue itself, I have another sid box this is not affecting. I little help with how the udev and hal system work couldnt hurt :) |
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| 23:32.03 | HostilePenguin | ok ill try that |
| 23:32.38 | westyvw | I have been pulling this box along for 2 years though..... |
| 23:33.06 | aztec105 | Quick question how does one change the order in which hardware is loaded... Laptop is currently trying to load network interface before the PCMCIA card services are loaded and is failing |
| 23:33.30 | MangosDebian | aztec105: /etc/rcX.d/ |
| 23:34.04 | aztec105 | MangosDebian: TY |
| 23:34.06 | MangosDebian | where X is in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 S |
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| 23:34.40 | MangosDebian | aztec105: apt-get install sysv-rc-conf <- handy tool, simple too |
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| 23:35.07 | MangosDebian | (that wont change order of loading though now that i think about it. but still :) |
| 23:35.22 | aztec105 | MangosDebian: would be good gotta get network connectivity back though :) |
| 23:35.37 | HostilePenguin | just cupsys? what is the hpijs? |
| 23:35.52 | westyvw | Hostile: only if you have HP printers |
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| 23:36.05 | nikhil | Does anyone know of an x11 interface to merge/diff files? |
| 23:36.11 | HostilePenguin | i never have good luck with my printer hp 842c |
| 23:36.29 | MangosDebian | nikhil: xterm + patch/diff too complicate? :) |
| 23:36.56 | nikhil | MangosDebian : was looking for like an x11 contextual diff client/program to diff two directories |
| 23:37.06 | jelly-home | WindowsUninstall: sounds like you didn't do an update even after correcting the security.d.o line? |
| 23:37.47 | MangosDebian | nikhil: dont use X, sorry I cant help though |
| 23:37.53 | nikhil | MangosDebian: thanks tho |
| 23:38.10 | WindowsUninstall | jelly-home, I've done 10^9 times the update |
| 23:38.38 | rgl_ | nikhil, meld ? |
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| 23:39.08 | nikhil | rgl_: thanks i'll try that :) |
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| 23:40.33 | cafuego | xfdiff - graphical "diff" and "patch" utility |
| 23:42.10 | jelly-home | WindowsUninstall: Please pastebin your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy php4-common php4-domxml" |
| 23:42.19 | Braguz | (Etch Stable)Hello, my laptop screen goes blank after some time. I tried setting up Gnome Power Manager and Screensaver. |
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| 23:43.04 | stoned | hi |
| 23:43.31 | aztec105 | MangosDebian: ok this tells me what modules are loaded I need to know how to edit the order in which they are loaded so PCMCIA card services are started before IFUp is loaded |
| 23:43.42 | WindowsUninstall | jelly-home, I solved the problem: I've installed package manually adding and removing # from security line |
| 23:44.14 | jelly-home | great |
| 23:44.33 | nikhil | rgl_: meld rocks.. thanks :) |
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| 23:45.26 | MangosDebian | aztec105: you refering to that sysv-rc-conf I mentioned? |
| 23:45.31 | Wyzard | aztec105: You're actually using an old 16-bit PCMCIA card? |
| 23:45.42 | Wyzard | aztec105: and not one of the (more common) newer 32-bit ones? |
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| 23:46.06 | cafuego | Wyzard: lotsa old 16 bit cards around, orinocos etc. |
| 23:46.30 | Wyzard | I suppose... it's been a long time since I've seen one, personally |
| 23:46.39 | Braguz | (Etch Stable)Hello, my laptop screen goes blank after some time. I tried setting up Gnome Power Manager and Screensaver, didn't help. |
| 23:46.40 | aztec105 | MangosDebian: you refered to /etc/rcX.d/ |
| 23:46.44 | MangosDebian | aztec105: If so, yes, as I said, that doesnt change the order, just what gets loaded. If you need to change the order, either use update-rc.d or go and make some sym links (ln -s) by hand in rcS.d (or better yet, mv the files to a name to start first) |
| 23:46.47 | stoned | !pcmcia |
| 23:46.47 | dpkg | PCMCIA is a hardware expansion technology for laptop computers. It stands for, "People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms". Ask me about <pcmcia cards>. Okay, okay, the real acronym can be found on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCMCIA Communication is similar to PCI or ISA, but a PCMCIA or CardBus bridge has a credit-card-sized form factor, and many cards are hot-pluggable. |
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| 23:47.15 | stoned | word |
| 23:47.22 | cafuego | what is the word? |
| 23:47.36 | MangosDebian | word up! |
| 23:47.39 | zinx | libre |
| 23:47.43 | stoned | nacho |
| 23:47.45 | cafuego | 'sky' ? |
| 23:47.48 | aztec105 | bird is the word |
| 23:48.03 | stoned | word spelled backwards is drow |
| 23:48.07 | stoned | like the dark elf |
| 23:48.08 | Wyzard | pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis :-) |
| 23:48.14 | cafuego | !dict drow |
| 23:48.15 | dpkg | could not find definition for drow |
| 23:48.18 | zinx | fake disease'd |
| 23:48.25 | stoned | drow elves from D&D |
| 23:48.31 | aztec105 | drowssap = password |
| 23:48.39 | Wyzard | zinx: It's in the dictionary so presumably it's a real one |
| 23:48.40 | stoned | yes |
| 23:48.42 | stoned | yes it is |
| 23:48.51 | zinx | Wyzard: which dictionary is that? |
| 23:48.53 | cafuego | earth to planet stoned...? |
| 23:48.58 | stoned | lol |
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| 23:49.04 | stoned | I wish there was a planet budd |
| 23:49.10 | stoned | a whole planet made of pot |
| 23:49.12 | stoned | that would be nice |
| 23:49.20 | stoned | anyway |
| 23:49.22 | aztec105 | from varied past of mudding and mushing |
| 23:49.28 | stoned | muds |
| 23:49.31 | stoned | Dragonlance muds |
| 23:49.32 | MangosDebian | stoned: I take it you tossed your 5 months out the window recently? :) |
| 23:49.39 | Wyzard | zinx: World Book unabridged dictionary that my family bought about 15 years ago |
| 23:49.48 | cafuego | anyway, these are all english words, which are a rather tiny subset of all available words, so let's throw them out. |
| 23:49.54 | stoned | MangosDebian: o yeah, this is party weekend |
| 23:49.58 | zinx | Wyzard: really, well, it's in the Oxford English Dictionary too, and it's defined as being a fake word. |
| 23:50.01 | stoned | then I'll take it easy for another few months |
| 23:50.02 | Wyzard | zinx: I've seen it in a few others too, but I haven't looked at any recent dictionaries |
| 23:50.04 | cafuego | today's word is 'kip' |
| 23:50.07 | zinx | Wyzard: what definition does your dictionary give? |
| 23:50.12 | Wyzard | zinx: interesting |
| 23:50.26 | Wyzard | zinx: dunno, that dictionary belongs to my parents so I don't have access to it now |
| 23:50.39 | stoned | what mud client is the easiest to use and configure when it comes to aliases and triggers etc. |
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| 23:50.49 | Wyzard | zinx: but it was something along the lines of "a lung disease caused by inhaling very small silica particles" |
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| 23:51.06 | stoned | one that has a mapping utility as well |
| 23:51.09 | stoned | prefrebly |
| 23:51.30 | zinx | Wyzard: you mean silicosis? :P |
| 23:51.59 | Wyzard | zinx: dunno, I'm not a doctor :-) |
| 23:52.03 | cafuego | zinx: that's the tendency to spend too munch koney on computer hardware |
| 23:52.08 | cafuego | s/k/m/ |
| 23:52.09 | Wyzard | zinx: So what's the longest *real* word in the OED? |
| 23:52.11 | zinx | Wyzard: but yes, that's what it's made up to be a description of |
| 23:52.15 | zinx | Wyzard: I don't know that. |
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| 23:53.24 | lonnie | What file do you edit to tel udev to assign NICs consistant names? |
| 23:53.48 | cafuego | lonnie: /etc/udev.d/rules/ ... um ... |
| 23:53.49 | Wyzard | lonnie: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 23:53.55 | cafuego | that one |
| 23:53.56 | Wyzard | lonnie: It should add entries automatically though |
| 23:54.02 | MangosDebian | !z25 |
| 23:54.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to staticly rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. the addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. if you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory |
| 23:54.21 | zinx | Wyzard: wikipedia does: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_word_in_English |
| 23:54.50 | Wyzard | zinx: nifty, thanks :-) |
| 23:55.09 | stoned | ahhh |
| 23:55.14 | stoned | I remember now |
| 23:55.16 | lonnie | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.21 | zinx | Wyzard: as far as i'm concerned, it's antidisestablishmentarianism |
| 23:55.26 | stoned | pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis |
| 23:55.35 | stoned | I knew i'd heard it somewhere when you first mentioned it |
| 23:55.40 | stoned | its in the movie Beer Fest |
| 23:55.46 | lonnie | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.49 | stoned | hahaha |
| 23:56.24 | Wyzard | lonnie: I don't have that file on my system |
| 23:56.32 | lonnie | Actually, this is a Ubuntu system |
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| 23:56.38 | Wyzard | lonnie: #ubuntu then |
| 23:56.45 | cafuego | lonnie: you're on the wrong channel then. |
| 23:56.59 | lonnie | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.10 | stoned | !based on debian |
| 23:57.10 | dpkg | Your distribution uses <apt>, but is not officialy Debian maintained (see <why Debian>), nor do we manage all aspects of it. (see <Debian policy>) Therefore, we are not obligated to help you (see <based on Debian caveats>). Please visit the proper IRC channel for your distribution. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> to name a few. |
| 23:57.13 | lonnie | I just thought Ubuntu was just a pretty debian. |
| 23:57.43 | lonnie | Ok, thank you dpkg :) |
| 23:57.45 | Wyzard | It has its own maintainership and its own release engineering |
| 23:57.56 | Wyzard | It's similar to Debian overall, but different in many details |
| 23:58.24 | lonnie | Wyzard: and getting more and more different as time goes on...? |
| 23:58.25 | MangosDebian | I love it when youbuntu ppl sneak in, pose a quick question while hiding the fact they aren't using debian, and the get caught red handed :) |
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| 23:58.56 | Wyzard | probably, though Debian maintainers do sometimes incorporate changes that were originally made in Ubuntu packages |
| 23:58.56 | lonnie | MangosDebian: |
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| 23:59.08 | lonnie | I've been nabbed! |
| 23:59.11 | stoned | its because no one in #ubuntu can get help beyond how to install xmms |
| 23:59.19 | MangosDebian | lonnie: A+ for effort though :) |
| 23:59.20 | cafuego | stoned: liar |
| 23:59.35 | lonnie | :):):) |
| 23:59.36 | stoned | cafuego: that was sarcasm |
| 23:59.37 | cafuego | lonnie: Anyway, you can use /etc/iftab in Ubuntu |
