| 00:00.08 | lonnie | Wyzard: Well I put rules in 25-iftab.rules but they seem to have had no effect. |
| 00:00.24 | Wyzard | lonnie: then you should ask in #ubuntu why it didn't work |
| 00:00.37 | lonnie | KERNEL=="eth*", SYSFS{address}=="00:0C:41:E8:BB:25", NAME="eth1" (how's my syntax?) |
| 00:00.55 | cafuego | lonnie: Like I said, use /etc/iftab instead ;-) |
| 00:01.17 | lonnie | /etc/iftab Ok, I'll try that. |
| 00:01.23 | aztec105 | MangosDebian: gah all I can see is lists of scripts now way to change in what order they are loaded |
| 00:01.24 | Wyzard | lonnie: That's udev syntax, but the criteria are different than what's in my z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 00:01.38 | cafuego | Most likely it exists already and you only need to change the interface names in the file. |
| 00:01.53 | spieman | hola |
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| 00:02.13 | MangosDebian | aztec105: and here I thought the numbers in the file names were an obvious indication of load order... |
| 00:02.21 | lonnie | Wyzard: I'm wondering if I were to add file: z25_persistent-net.rules would that do it? Maybe? |
| 00:02.31 | cafuego | MangosDebian: Oh shaddap. The number of Debian vms outweighs the number of Ubuntu vms here ;-) |
| 00:02.39 | MangosDebian | ok guys, you hear that, your numbering scheme is too complicated in debian, time to scrap the project |
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| 00:02.57 | MangosDebian | cafuego: lol |
| 00:03.40 | Wyzard | lonnie: It might, but rather than trying random things and hoping they work, why not ask in #ubuntu? |
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| 00:03.49 | cafuego | Yeah, 2 ubuntu, 5 debian |
| 00:03.52 | aztec105 | MangosDebian: ok i am missing something here |
| 00:03.54 | Wyzard | lonnie: You're offtopic here, especially since this is (apparently) something that's done differently in Ubuntu than in Debian |
| 00:04.07 | MangosDebian | aztec105: apprently how to count ascendingly ;) |
| 00:05.04 | cafuego | Wyzard: Well, debian used to have iftab too before etch and this udev malarkey. |
| 00:05.21 | cafuego | Wyzard: So if he only said "i use sarge" he'd have been fine ;-) |
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| 00:05.44 | Wyzard | cafuego: I know, but if that doesn't work in Ubuntu then the Ubuntu way is probably not something that's ever been the Debian way |
| 00:05.44 | grendal_prime | man i am trying like hell to format a drive...it is just not working |
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| 00:06.01 | grendal_prime | firs i cfdisk to sdb right...whipe out the partions |
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| 00:06.12 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.14 | MangosDebian | cafuego: sssssh you fool. now were gonna get people join under a new ip and ask the same question but say they are using sarge thanks to you :( |
| 00:06.22 | lonnie | Wyzard: Sorry to be so persistant, but the folks on #ubuntu don't seem to know. |
| 00:06.32 | cafuego | MangosDebian: What can I say, I'm just this helpful guy! |
| 00:06.42 | Wyzard | lonnie: Well, we don't know any better than they do -- it's their distro, not ours |
| 00:07.03 | Marc1 | Anyone using Xen on lenny? I'm wondering how stable it is on non-VT hardware. |
| 00:07.10 | grendal_prime | then fsck it as an ext3. it says everything went well. but then when i mount the drive it says its only 1 gig in size..(the size of the previouse partion) and all the shit that was on the drive is still there!!! |
| 00:07.13 | metbsd | does the installation cd 1 iso inlcude kde? |
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| 00:07.20 | Wyzard | Marc1: I use it on etch and it works fine |
| 00:07.24 | cafuego | lonnie: happy now? |
| 00:07.45 | MangosDebian | metbsd: no, but there is a cd iso version of disc one that does |
| 00:07.45 | cafuego | Marc1: it was okay on my non-VT athlon xp |
| 00:08.03 | cafuego | Marc1: but far nicer on my VT athlon64 ;-) |
| 00:08.04 | RA3OR | i am using sarge |
| 00:08.22 | MangosDebian | RA3OR: very funny :p |
| 00:08.40 | MangosDebian | decided to stop join/quit and join the party for a change eh? :) |
| 00:08.48 | cafuego | MangosDebian: it's not impossible; *I* use sarge. |
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| 00:08.53 | aztec105 | MangosDebian: ok so if I understand this correctly then move PCMCIA out of rcX.d to rcX.d with lower number |
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| 00:09.05 | Marc1 | Wyzard: cafuego: thanks. I'll give it a try on my athlon xp or whatever. I have it working fine on my intel duo core T2700 with VT (on some other distro I won't mention) |
| 00:09.20 | MangosDebian | aztec105: well, just rename the file yes |
| 00:09.41 | Wyzard | Marc1: VT is needed for running a non-paravirtualized OS like Windows, but not needed at all for running a paravirtualized kernel |
| 00:09.44 | MangosDebian | aztec105: S means start, K means stop btw in the file names |
| 00:10.10 | cafuego | but 'stop' starts with an S too! |
| 00:10.19 | aztec105 | MangosDebian: OK got it hay I never claimed to be a programmer but we all have to start somewhere |
| 00:10.20 | frank | k for kill |
| 00:10.21 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: When you save the changes in fdisk, if anything on the disk is still in use the kernel won't be able to load the new partition table, so it'll still effectively "see" the old partition layout until your next reboot |
| 00:10.24 | cafuego | they should've used B and S. |
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| 00:10.39 | Marc1 | Wyzard: yeah, I just want to isolate some stuff; going to use debian and maybe ubuntu in the guests. |
| 00:11.03 | MangosDebian | aztec105: well, i wouldnt really consider renaming files programming, but np hehe, just buggin ya |
| 00:11.29 | Wyzard | Marc1: I use Xen with etch as both dom0 and domUs on my router... took a little work to set up, since it's not as point-and-click convenient as VMware, but it's working fine |
| 00:11.30 | MangosDebian | cafuego: what would B stand for? |
| 00:11.35 | cafuego | MangosDebian: begin |
| 00:11.36 | RA3OR | MangosDebian: Linux ns.x.ro 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Tue Aug 16 13:22:48 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:11.50 | MangosDebian | cafuego: shouldnt it be B and E for end then? :) |
| 00:12.12 | cafuego | MangosDebian: That would be acceptable, but 'E' is a somewhat tinny letter. |
| 00:12.13 | Marc1 | Wyzard: well RHEL5 makes it pretty point-n-clicky... Still 'sudo xm ... |
| 00:12.16 | Marc1 | is my friend |
| 00:12.17 | MangosDebian | RA3OR: havent tried etch yet? rather nice. btw, how goes your gateway woes? |
| 00:13.10 | RA3OR | MangosDebian: did try etch, amazed by it, 2 be honest, gateways still sux, hate ISP, 8 days since it acts up like this ... |
| 00:13.21 | MangosDebian | cafuego: thats why we invented a thing called captialization :) |
| 00:13.25 | Wyzard | lonnie: FWIW, I just took a look at 25-iftab.rules on an XUbuntu box, and /etc/iftab looks like the way to go |
| 00:13.35 | RA3OR | MangosDebian: got 3 servers, no .. 4 servers running etch |
| 00:13.37 | Wyzard | lonnie: and it is indeed completely different from how Debian does it |
| 00:13.54 | cafuego | MangosDebian: I'mNotAFanOfCapitalLettersUsedOnCaseSensitiveFileSystems |
| 00:14.09 | cafuego | ... and the best of times. |
| 00:14.10 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 00:14.14 | cafuego | s/and/at/ |
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| 00:19.31 | HostilePenguin | this is where i get stuck with cups every time i try to use 600 dpi and i lose color i can print color at 300x300 dpi 600x600 cups wont let me use cmyk and 600dpi |
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| 00:19.55 | Mole | how do i make "diff" only show new lines when i compare files? trying to update an old config-file |
| 00:20.25 | archangelpetro | new lines? |
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| 00:20.55 | js_ | Mole: there's no such thing as a "new line", only difference |
| 00:21.06 | Mole | thats the problem :) |
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| 00:21.19 | Wyzard | HostilePenguin: What kind of printer, and what driver? |
| 00:21.38 | Wyzard | HostilePenguin: And are you sure the printer is capable of that? |
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| 00:21.41 | Mole | js_ : i changed all lines but i need to find the ones that got added in the new version |
| 00:21.44 | dondelelcaro | Mole: diff -u|grep ^+ |
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| 00:22.04 | Wyzard | Mole: A "change" to a line consists of removing a line and adding a different line, as far as diff is concerned |
| 00:22.17 | dondelelcaro | Mole: what types of changes were made to the lines that weren't added? |
| 00:22.20 | Wyzard | Mole: It can't tell the difference between a line that you changed and a line that you added |
| 00:22.40 | HostilePenguin | hp printer and foomatic-dp-hpijs |
| 00:22.45 | Mole | ok im stuck with checking everything manually then |
| 00:22.49 | Mole | thanks ;) |
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| 00:23.05 | HostilePenguin | im using deskjet 842c |
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| 00:23.26 | Wyzard | HostilePenguin: That's the appropriate driver to use... did you set up the printer using the CUPS web UI? |
| 00:23.29 | HostilePenguin | should be able to print way higher resolution than even 600x600 |
| 00:24.18 | Wyzard | HostilePenguin: Actually, you should install hplip |
| 00:24.48 | Wyzard | HostilePenguin: Rather than using foomatic-configure or whatever, hplip registers its drivers with CUPS directly so you can add the printer right from the CUPS web UI |
| 00:25.02 | Wyzard | HostilePenguin: and it uses its own communication backend for talking to the printer |
| 00:25.20 | Wyzard | HostilePenguin: Setting up my LaserJet 1300 was pretty straightforward that way |
| 00:25.28 | HostilePenguin | aptitude remove hpijs? |
| 00:25.39 | Wyzard | HostilePenguin: no, hplip depends on hpijs |
| 00:25.44 | Wyzard | HostilePenguin: but you can remove the foomatic stuff |
| 00:26.10 | HostilePenguin | alright |
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| 00:26.25 | Wyzard | HostilePenguin: hplip also gives you a toolbox program that you can use to check your ink levels, btw |
| 00:27.20 | HostilePenguin | very nice |
| 00:27.32 | Wyzard | HostilePenguin: Is it a USB printer? |
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| 00:29.05 | Wyzard | If so, CUPS should notice it automatically and give you a button you can click in the web UI to set it up, I believe |
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| 00:32.39 | acehigh | sup everyone |
| 00:32.52 | acehigh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:34.12 | krazykit | !tell acehigh about webmin |
| 00:35.13 | Fjordside | how to view the current throughput on a interface? |
| 00:35.22 | Wyzard | Fjordside: install bwm (or bwm-ng) |
| 00:35.35 | Wyzard | Fjordside: or use something graphical like the GNOME System Monitor |
| 00:35.41 | HostilePenguin | sorry yes its usb |
| 00:35.52 | Fjordside | im in terminal no gui |
| 00:35.57 | Wyzard | Fjordside: then bwm |
| 00:36.37 | acehigh | krazykit this is a box that is behind a firewall so security is not a issue atm and i have already looked at www.webmin.com and also looked at mailing list for debian and also search in google |
| 00:37.03 | Wyzard | acehigh: That's assuming there are no attackers inside the firewall :-) |
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| 00:37.49 | Wyzard | acehigh: rooted Windows box, rogue user, etc. |
| 00:38.25 | acehigh | Wyzard its my personnel network and only my computers hooked to it so unless i rogue myself dont think that is going to be a issue :P |
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| 00:41.58 | goldfischli | hi all |
| 00:42.10 | acehigh | any good help how-to's on troubleshooting it or a good recommendation of a system that can do the same things? |
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| 00:43.26 | rainabba_ | When using tftpserver for PXE boot, DHCP must be setup to refer to pxelinux.0. When I setup different option files for different MAC addresses, each for a different distro, will the one pxelinux.0 file work for all? |
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| 00:46.32 | piper69_ | where can i find fish tank screensaver for debian |
| 00:47.12 | Wyzard | rainabba_: Is pxelinux.0 supposed to be a kernel, or something else? |
| 00:47.44 | rainabba_ | Not sure. Guess that would be good to know :) |
| 00:48.12 | Wyzard | If so, you should serve each distro its own kernel |
| 00:48.22 | krazykit | piper69_: probably in one of the xscreensaver packages. |
| 00:48.37 | Wyzard | though the kernel probably needs to be built with NFS-root support or whatever, so hopefully they all support that |
| 00:49.21 | Gryfelhase | what does it mean: (translated from german): "No rule, to make modules" ? When using make |
| 00:49.43 | frank | no target modules? |
| 00:50.17 | piper69_ | krazykit: not there, i am using gnome |
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| 00:51.00 | krazykit | piper69_: then maybe there's no such screensaver. |
| 00:52.32 | piper69_ | krazykit: :( |
| 00:53.13 | krazykit | piper69_: i have one with dolphins and stuff called "Atlantis". is that what you want? |
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| 00:56.06 | zaius | hi all, is there an easy way to upgrade vim to 7.0 using apt? |
| 00:56.27 | zaius | or even 7.1 now that that's out |
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| 00:58.04 | krazykit | zaius: depends on what you're running. 7.1 is in sid, possibly lenny. |
| 00:58.22 | nn_ | do you think I can get $$$ for unixware 7 on ebay? |
| 00:58.35 | krazykit | nn_: offtopic. |
| 00:59.21 | zaius | hmm.. how can i tell what release i'm using? |
| 00:59.41 | nn_ | krazykit: you're only jealous on my unixware cd kit |
| 00:59.44 | krazykit | zaius: less /etc/debian_version |
| 01:00.09 | piper69_ | krazykit: yes , yes please |
| 01:00.12 | zaius | ok, i have 3.1 |
| 01:00.21 | krazykit | nn_: i wouldn't touch an sco product with a 12.19m pole |
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| 01:01.00 | krazykit | zaius: that's sarge, which is oldstable. there may be a backport, or you could compile it yourself. alternatively, there may be a backport for etch, which is the new stable |
| 01:01.22 | zinx | krazykit: sco has products?? |
| 01:01.26 | zaius | right.. will doing an apt-get upgrade get me to etch? |
| 01:01.36 | krazykit | zaius: not quite. |
| 01:01.44 | krazykit | !tell zaius about sarge->etch |
| 01:02.02 | piper69_ | krazykit: where can i download it |
| 01:02.02 | krazykit | zinx: i mean, they SAY they do. |
| 01:02.09 | zinx | krazykit: ahhh |
| 01:02.12 | acehigh | any recommendations for a configuration interface then besides webmin? |
| 01:02.18 | acehigh | thats in deb |
| 01:02.28 | krazykit | piper69_: in the xscreensaver package. |
| 01:02.32 | zaius | krazykit: thx |
| 01:02.51 | piper69_ | krazykit: and i can run it in gnomw |
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| 01:02.55 | piper69_ | *gnome |
| 01:03.13 | zaius | krazykit: it's a remote server and i'm a bit nervous about doing upgrades when i have no idea :) |
| 01:03.43 | krazykit | zaius: fair enough. in that case, check for a backport to sarge or make one yourself |
| 01:04.07 | krazykit | piper69_: run xscreensaver in gnome? of course. |
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| 01:04.48 | eifzon | how can i upgrade to the newest release if i am on etch? |
| 01:04.54 | danoob | good evening |
| 01:05.20 | krazykit | eifzon: etch IS the newest release. lenny is testing and sid is (as always) unstable |
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| 01:05.53 | eifzon | okok krazykit |
| 01:06.04 | eifzon | krazykit: but it seems i dont got so many packages |
| 01:06.15 | eifzon | cant find pidgin in apt-get :( |
| 01:06.21 | danoob | thats because etch moves at a snails pace |
| 01:06.23 | acehigh | any recommendations for a configuration interface then besides webmin? |
| 01:06.30 | Kevin` | might be called gaim |
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| 01:06.39 | Kevin` | danoob ETCH DOES NOT MOVE, it's already been released |
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| 01:06.46 | zaius | krazykit: found a backport, thanks for the help |
| 01:07.11 | eifzon | Kevin`: but pidgin looks better :P |
| 01:07.46 | krazykit | eifzon: then get a backport or build it yourself :P |
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| 01:08.12 | eifzon | krazykit: noway :s |
| 01:08.34 | Kevin` | I just installed debian in a virtual machine with software raid1. if I remove the first disk and boot from the second the system does not boot |
| 01:08.41 | Kevin` | anyone want to handle this as the bug level? |
| 01:08.45 | HostilePenguin | how do i get printer uri? |
| 01:09.04 | danoob | Kevin`: whats the error? |
| 01:09.14 | archangelpetro | i am correct in thinking that.. once i've downloaded the source for my wireless module.. and then m-a prepare, m-a a-i madwifi-source, then modprobed the module.. my wlan0 interface should be detected.. right? |
| 01:09.18 | Kevin` | danoob moment. |
| 01:09.21 | HostilePenguin | is it the whole line or just serial=bla bla |
| 01:09.24 | danoob | and did you let the md device sync up before you tried that? |
| 01:09.37 | Kevin` | danoob yes, shut down properly |
| 01:09.52 | krazykit | eifzon: well, not much choice. if you want pidgin, you'll either 1. find a backport 2. build it yourself or 3. upgrade to testing or unstable. |
| 01:10.14 | Kevin` | danoob http://bart.kwzs.be/raid.jpg |
| 01:10.16 | danoob | Kevin`: you shut down properly but was the output of cat /proc/mdstat showing that everything was in working order and not still syncing |
| 01:10.30 | archangelpetro | (not too stupid a question, i hope) |
| 01:10.37 | Kevin` | let me boot normally and check, but I believe so. |
| 01:10.42 | eifzon | krazykit: i wont do a shit then, i stick to gaim |
| 01:10.50 | acehigh | any recommendations for a configuration interface then besides webmin? |
| 01:11.26 | danoob | acehigh: dosent look like it ... |
| 01:11.28 | archangelpetro | hmm |
| 01:11.49 | Kevin` | danoob yes, the array works fine and is synced |
| 01:11.54 | acehigh | danoob there is just no answer |
| 01:12.04 | cartesian1984 | Hello. When trying to go into fullscreen mode with any program, my dell LCD monitor displays the message "Cannot display this video mode." I am not sure why this is, whether the details for my monitor are wrong in my xorg.conf, or if it's the crappy ATI drivers, or something entirely different. |
| 01:12.17 | acehigh | danoob im always treated like a newb but oh well |
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| 01:12.40 | archangelpetro | anyone? |
| 01:12.45 | krazykit | cartesian1984: programs like what? mplayer? it maybe is trying to set it at a resolution your monitor doesn't support |
| 01:12.57 | krazykit | archangelpetro: yeah, that ought to work |
| 01:13.05 | Kevin` | danoob I suspect the problem is related to how grub was installed, since it never shows up |
| 01:13.12 | archangelpetro | odd, that i still dont have the interface when i 'iwconfig' |
| 01:13.20 | danoob | acehigh: webmin is about your best free bet otherwise your going to need to look into something like cpanel or plesk or learn how to mess with the configs manually |
| 01:13.34 | danoob | Kevin`: you dont ever get a grub prompt? |
| 01:13.37 | krazykit | archangelpetro: the modules are all there? ath_hal ath_pci and whatnot? |
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| 01:13.46 | Kevin` | correct danoob, screen stays just like in the screenshot |
| 01:13.48 | archangelpetro | yea |
| 01:13.59 | acehigh | danoob problem is the page wont load as the port isnt listening but the log files state it is started |
| 01:14.00 | archangelpetro | krazykit, which ones do i have to modprobe? all o fthem? |
| 01:14.12 | acehigh | danoob so im a bit lost as to why |
| 01:14.24 | danoob | maybe it only accepts connections on localhost |
| 01:14.39 | acehigh | danoob tried that same result |
| 01:14.41 | Kevin` | acehigh what does netstat say |
| 01:14.43 | danoob | Kevin`: boot with both disks installed |
| 01:14.44 | rainabba_ | LVM on Linux Software Raid 5 over 4 disks; I'm hearing that LVM significantly hurt performance. True/False? |
| 01:14.53 | Kevin` | danoob normally? |
| 01:14.55 | krazykit | archangelpetro: i don't recall, actually. i just let startup scripts take care of it, really. |
| 01:14.56 | danoob | then install grub on the second disk manually |
| 01:15.01 | danoob | Kevin`: yeh |
| 01:15.05 | Kevin` | heh, ok |
| 01:15.12 | danoob | grub |
| 01:15.15 | krazykit | archangelpetro: maybe the interface is ath0? |
| 01:15.21 | danoob | root (hd1,0) |
| 01:15.27 | danoob | setup (hd1) |
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| 01:15.32 | danoob | that ought to do it |
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| 01:15.48 | Kevin` | booting.. |
| 01:15.49 | danoob | if i remember correctly anyway |
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| 01:15.54 | cartesian1984 | krazykit: oh, sorry for the latency. Any game. |
| 01:15.54 | archangelpetro | krazykit, well, if it was, i didnt find it |
| 01:16.05 | acehigh | Kevin` it gives a bus error |
| 01:16.15 | danoob | :( my touchpad doesnt work anymore |
| 01:16.21 | Kevin` | shutting down and testing |
| 01:16.22 | Fjordside | I wish to keep a really clean debian system so im thinking of using debfoster, anyone has som experience with this? |
| 01:16.28 | Fjordside | does it work well and so? |
| 01:16.34 | danoob | well the hardware functions but i cant seem to get it to work with my x config anymore |
| 01:16.34 | Kevin` | just running netstat gives a bus error?! |
| 01:16.46 | Fjordside | some* |
| 01:16.49 | acehigh | Kevin` sec ill pastebin it |
| 01:16.50 | GhostlyDeath | nautilus is bugged, it won't let you make a new folder the same name as a file |
| 01:17.06 | krazykit | archangelpetro: ehh, then i dunno, sorry :/ |
| 01:17.07 | GhostlyDeath | can't a folder named "pizza" and a file named "pizza" |
| 01:17.20 | Kevin` | a folder is a file |
| 01:17.25 | Kevin` | think of that way |
| 01:17.25 | archangelpetro | krazykit, odd that it's in .../net instead of .../net/wireless/ |
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| 01:17.46 | Kevin` | danoob that did it. system booted |
| 01:17.46 | krazykit | archangelpetro: i'm not at my machine with an atheros card, so i can't check |
| 01:17.53 | acehigh | Kevin` http://pastebin.com/939319 |
| 01:18.08 | GhostlyDeath | Kevin`: ext3 treats directories as files? |
| 01:18.15 | archangelpetro | ok krazykit well, i might bug you at a later date? and see if you can look it up for me, if that's ok? in the meantime ill keep looking |
| 01:18.32 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath well, they are obviously used differently, but at some levels yes |
| 01:18.48 | krazykit | archangelpetro: no time man. i won't be at that machine til mid august :P |
| 01:18.49 | Kevin` | acehigh that really doesn't look good. try strace netstat |
| 01:18.56 | archangelpetro | lol |
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| 01:19.04 | archangelpetro | sucks |
| 01:19.28 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath in bsd you can actually usually read a directory |
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| 01:19.54 | Kevin` | (cat directory and get a bunch of crap) |
| 01:19.57 | acehigh | Kevin` all kinds of stuff came up |
| 01:20.10 | GhostlyDeath | so copying FAT stuff to Ext3 may cause problems |
| 01:20.12 | acehigh | 7296 processes detected |
| 01:20.25 | acehigh | something aint right |
| 01:20.57 | acehigh | fresh install and i get this hehe |
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| 01:21.29 | Kevin` | acehigh does dmesg say anything interesting? also run memtest86+ (if you are on x86) |
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| 01:21.44 | acehigh | Kevin` sparc |
| 01:21.48 | acehigh | ulta 10 |
| 01:21.51 | Kevin` | cool :) |
| 01:21.53 | acehigh | ultra 10 |
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| 01:22.09 | Kevin` | i'm not sure of memory test programs for sparc :/ |
| 01:22.24 | danoob | hpl |
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| 01:23.02 | danoob | measures flops but has been a good memory tester for me in the past |
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| 01:23.31 | acehigh | Kevin` interesting ill paste it |
| 01:23.49 | acehigh | Kevin` http://pastebin.com/939319 |
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| 01:24.09 | Kevin` | pastebin.com is so slow :/ |
| 01:24.22 | acehigh | sorry it was the first i googled |
| 01:24.42 | Kevin` | i'm still waiting for the site to respond |
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| 01:25.10 | piper69_ | krazykit: i installed the xscreensaver, but "Atlantics" was not installed will you help me install it |
| 01:25.10 | Kevin` | acehigh erm that looks like the same paste as before |
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| 01:25.30 | acehigh | opps |
| 01:25.32 | acehigh | http://pastebin.com/939320 |
| 01:25.35 | acehigh | sorry |
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| 01:26.08 | krazykit | piper69_: xscreensaver-gl, i'd bet. |
| 01:26.12 | Kevin` | acehigh well that definitely looks unhealthy :), i'm not sure what that particular message means, not a kernel hacker |
| 01:26.31 | acehigh | guess im reinstalling again |
| 01:26.41 | acehigh | arg this is getting upsetting |
| 01:26.57 | piper69_ | krazykit: thanks , will install it right now |
| 01:26.57 | Kevin` | well it might not be an issue that reinstalling would matter for |
| 01:27.02 | Kevin` | unless you have problems with the storage |
| 01:27.03 | acehigh | never had this problem on i386 and x64 |
| 01:27.52 | archangelpetro | i cant understand why it's not bloody working |
| 01:27.57 | Kevin` | i've never had that problem on anything :), I have had similar issues though, from odd drivers |
| 01:28.16 | Kevin` | acehigh hm, might be worth trying a new kernel version |
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| 01:28.39 | acehigh | 2.6.18-4-sparc64 |
| 01:28.55 | Kevin` | I mean like 2.6.21.5 |
| 01:29.08 | acehigh | thats what is currently installed |
| 01:29.18 | acehigh | and that was a netinstall from lastnight |
| 01:29.49 | Kevin` | custom kernel from kernel.org, not a debian kernel, to see if it's an issue fixed by later code |
| 01:30.37 | acehigh | k thats going to be fun as i haven't built kernels for over a year at least |
| 01:30.52 | Kevin` | acehigh also whether the same userland program ALWAYS causes this or not |
| 01:30.53 | acehigh | nice thing about debian is once you get it right never have to touch it |
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| 01:31.45 | acehigh | hrm i wonder |
| 01:31.58 | Kevin` | acehigh hmm, looking into similar messages more, this does seem like it's most likely a userland issue |
| 01:32.00 | acehigh | Kevin` stupid question here |
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| 01:32.05 | pipegeek | Hi, folks |
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| 01:32.17 | Kevin` | (even though you get kernel messages) |
| 01:32.18 | pipegeek | anyone have any experience with grepping through a hard drive for a lost partition? |
| 01:32.20 | acehigh | Kevin` meaning? |
| 01:32.21 | pipegeek | grep is running out of memory. |
| 01:32.25 | pipegeek | as in: |
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| 01:32.38 | pipegeek | grep: /dev/hdc: Cannot allocate memory |
| 01:32.42 | Kevin` | acehigh meaning it might be a bug in netstat, or netstat on your particular cpu version |
| 01:32.59 | pipegeek | not doing anything complicated with regexps, just: |
| 01:33.02 | acehigh | Kevin` k that could make sense |
| 01:33.07 | pipegeek | $ grep -ab LABELONE /dev/hdc |
| 01:33.12 | acehigh | Kevin` but lets say it isnt |
| 01:33.26 | acehigh | Kevin` ultra 10 is a 64 bit sparc right? |
| 01:33.36 | Kevin` | acehigh never had one myself |
| 01:33.50 | Kevin` | i've had most things BUT sparc, actually |
| 01:33.50 | pipegeek | using debian sarge, though I doubt that's relevant |
| 01:33.51 | XxBMWxX | where are the compilation options located in a source package? are they available anywhere else like cvs? |
| 01:34.23 | acehigh | Kevin` this is what i have http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Systems/U10/U10.html |
| 01:35.24 | smacnay | I just installed lenny and used the yorku.ca repository for "main" repository. Are there other sources I should add? |
| 01:37.14 | Kevin` | hm, is anyone here familiar with arm eabi? |
| 01:37.47 | Internat | so can anyone give me a crash course in recompiling apache 2.2, so i can give suexec a different docroot? |
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| 01:43.58 | jzxu | if I'm using the nvidia display drivers, should I be seeing cpu activity when I move windows around? |
| 01:44.19 | karsten | jzxu: generally, yes, some, I'd think. |
| 01:44.28 | Wyzard | Yes, that's normal |
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| 01:44.37 | Kevin` | I see some, but very little |
| 01:44.59 | jzxu | hmm, I'm seeing complete usage of one of my cpus |
| 01:45.17 | jzxu | plus I get a lot of lag |
| 01:45.21 | Wyzard | Hide some other windows and try it again |
| 01:45.22 | jzxu | and this is on a brand new machine |
| 01:45.44 | Kevin` | jzxu are you sure your using a 2d accellerated (at least) driver? |
| 01:45.53 | GhostlyDeath | how do I delete the files ending in .c~ and .h~ ? |
| 01:45.54 | Wyzard | and make sure you're using the driver you think you are, and not the generic VESA one |
| 01:45.59 | jzxu | Kevin`: I'm using the nvidia driver |
| 01:46.00 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: with rm |
| 01:46.29 | jzxu | Kevin`: as in having a driver "nvidia" line in xorg.conf |
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| 01:46.46 | Wyzard | jzxu: glxinfo | grep "vendor string" |
| 01:46.59 | asg | GhostlyDeath: rm -- .c~ |
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| 01:47.32 | Kevin` | .c~ won't expand to anything else, you don't need special handlign |
| 01:47.38 | jzxu | Wyzard: I don't have that program |
| 01:47.46 | Wyzard | asg: The -- shouldn't be needed for that |
| 01:47.53 | asg | Kevin`: indeed |
| 01:48.14 | Kevin` | although I suppose in any case using -- is proper |
| 01:48.18 | Wyzard | jzxu: It's in mesa-utils |
| 01:48.31 | Wyzard | jzxu: The output should be "NVIDIA Corporation" -- if not, you're not using the driver you think you are |
| 01:48.31 | Kevin` | glxinfo|less |
| 01:48.32 | Kevin` | erm |
| 01:48.43 | asg | Kevin`: it isn't, I was hoping that GD was going to ask why (because it is useful in a majority of odd cases) |
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| 01:49.30 | jzxu | yeah it is Nvidia |
| 01:49.34 | Wyzard | ok |
| 01:49.34 | Kevin` | asg touch ./-rf\ .c~ :) |
| 01:49.38 | jzxu | and direct rendering is enabled |
| 01:49.58 | Wyzard | jzxu: Direct rendering doesn't matter for this, unless you're using Compiz/Beryl -- I just wanted to check what video driver you're using |
| 01:50.01 | asg | Kevin`: a deadly touch, no less |
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| 01:50.20 | jzxu | Wyzard: I see, thanks |
| 01:50.38 | jzxu | well, gotta run anyway, thanks for the help |
| 01:50.39 | Wyzard | jzxu: and it so happens that glxinfo will always report NVIDIA Corporation when you're using their driver (even though technically glxinfo doesn't query the video driver, it queries the OpenGL library, with nVidia they're bundled together) |
| 01:51.01 | giwe | Does anyone know if there is RTLinuxFree available from 2.6 kernels? www.rtlinuxfree.com doesn't have download links. |
| 01:51.01 | Wyzard | jzxu: Anyway, open top (or htop, for nicer output) and see which program is spiking the CPU while you drag windows around |
| 01:52.04 | Wyzard | jzxu: Every time a window moves, everything else below it gets "woken up" to redraw any newly-exposed areas of itself, so it could be that one of your other visible windows is just really slow at redrawing itself |
| 01:53.28 | stoned | roll roll roll a ... |
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| 01:54.24 | doolin | I need to install ndiswrapper, but I the info that I can find online says I need ndiswrapper-modules and I can't seem to find it. running Etch |
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| 01:54.49 | Kevin` | doolin what network chipset do you have that you need ndiswrapper? |
| 01:54.50 | asg | doolin: install module-assistant ; m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 01:54.56 | Kevin` | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 01:54.56 | dpkg | ndiswrapper one-liner is, like, apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 01:55.12 | doolin | holy hell you people are helpful |
| 01:55.20 | abrotman | now our reputation is ruined! |
| 01:55.41 | asg | doolin: you'll still have to manually download the windows driver blob for your card though |
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| 01:55.48 | sleek | hi |
| 01:55.48 | Kevin` | doolin do tell me though, I don't like people using ndiswrapper when they don't have to (or at all, really =p) |
| 01:55.49 | doolin | :) im new to debian, but have some linux IQ under my belt |
| 01:56.05 | asg | abrotman: we've been neutered for a long time |
| 01:56.20 | stew | doolin: under your belt? you should put it somewhere more handy |
| 01:56.31 | sleek | I need to set dhclient.conf to use 2 custom dns instead of getting it from the router |
| 01:56.38 | sleek | how should I use supersede in this case ? |
| 01:56.54 | asg | stew: It's common knowledge that a man thinks with his donk |
| 01:57.02 | doolin | so I need to apt-get install module-assistant? |
| 01:57.18 | asg | doolin: apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 01:57.53 | stew | ndiswrapper-source is going to be pulled by a-i anyway |
| 01:58.12 | Wyzard | Doesn't m-a install build-essential too? |
| 01:58.14 | regulate | y0 |
| 01:58.17 | Kevin` | doolin which wireless chipset do you have |
| 01:58.24 | stew | !depends module-assistant |
| 01:58.24 | asg | stew: then the factoid needs to be changed |
| 01:58.27 | dpkg | module-assistant: depends on perl, libtext-wrapi18n-perl |
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| 01:58.44 | Wyzard | stew: No, I mean when you run it to build a module |
| 01:58.46 | doolin | Kevin`: something that's not supported very well |
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| 01:58.55 | Kevin` | doolin such as? :) |
| 01:58.58 | Wyzard | though maybe that's only done by its "prepare" command |
| 01:59.14 | doolin | Kevin`: I used to use suse and the only way I could get it working was it ndiswrapper |
| 01:59.16 | stew | Wyzard: i'm not sure, i wouldn't be suprised if it didn't so that you could have a custom toolchain or something |
| 01:59.27 | Kevin` | doolin well that doesn't mean everything. |
| 01:59.45 | doolin | Kevin`: I'm not sure, I have the .inf on my filesystem |
| 01:59.51 | doolin | Kevin`: ill check |
| 01:59.52 | Kevin` | doolin just check lspci |
| 01:59.56 | asg | doolin: just run lspci |
| 02:00.19 | Kevin` | you'll see something that doesn't look like this, only similar =p : |
| 02:00.20 | Kevin` | 02:03.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) |
| 02:00.34 | doolin | that's it |
| 02:00.41 | Kevin` | erm, that's exactly it? |
| 02:00.49 | Wyzard | If you have one of those, you don't want ndiswrapper, you want madwifi |
| 02:00.53 | doolin | you have a t60? |
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| 02:01.14 | Kevin` | doolin no, but if you have one of these cards using ndiswrapper is a sin :) |
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| 02:01.33 | Kevin` | they support damn near everything natively |
| 02:01.39 | Kevin` | and support much more then windows ever will. |
| 02:01.52 | doolin | well. I have some crazy problems with madwifi in suse |
| 02:02.09 | Kevin` | maybe it will work nice now, who knows :) |
| 02:02.10 | doolin | like, I had to be 2 feet from my router |
| 02:02.17 | asg | doolin: that doesn't mean you will have them with Debian though |
| 02:02.24 | doolin | I know |
| 02:02.29 | Kevin` | what version of madwifi were you using, do you remember? |
| 02:02.41 | doolin | nope |
| 02:02.55 | doolin | I tried the stable and current about 3 months ago |
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| 02:04.17 | Kevin` | mine doesn't support double width channels though (108mbps mode), which makes me sad :( |
| 02:04.29 | Kevin` | should have gotten the fancy one |
| 02:04.40 | doolin | well... how do get madwifi working? |
| 02:04.56 | Kevin` | I personally download it from madwifi.org and compile normally |
| 02:05.13 | Kevin` | !madwifi-install |
| 02:05.14 | dpkg | from memory, madwifi-install is ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 02:05.14 | Wyzard | Why not use the packages? |
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| 02:05.39 | Kevin` | Wyzard because I usually want the svn version |
| 02:06.16 | Kevin` | actually for madwifi you can name them whatever you want when you create them |
| 02:06.30 | Kevin` | wlanconfig ap0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode ap |
| 02:06.43 | Kevin` | wlanconfig sta0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode sta nosbeacon |
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| 02:06.45 | Kevin` | ex |
| 02:06.47 | Kevin` | anyway, |
| 02:06.52 | Wyzard | Well, you can rename any interface, but it'd be nice if the default naming convention was "wlan*" for all of them |
| 02:07.10 | Kevin` | wlan is one letter longer! |
| 02:07.47 | Kevin` | maybe once everything uses a standard 802.11 stack that will happen |
| 02:07.55 | Kevin` | probably call them something silly like ethx though |
| 02:07.55 | Wyzard | "eth*" would be workable too, though 802.11 is not Ethernet (despite being related) |
| 02:08.06 | Wyzard | but at least *something* consistent would be nice |
| 02:08.10 | Kevin` | at the userland level it's usually ethernet |
| 02:08.24 | Kevin` | unless your in rfmon mode your not sending 802.11 packets on the interface |
| 02:08.45 | Wyzard | Logically it looks like Ethernet, I know |
| 02:09.06 | Wyzard | but I doubt you'd call a Token Ring device "eth*" |
| 02:09.15 | Kevin` | i'd hope not |
| 02:09.17 | Kevin` | as it's not :) |
| 02:09.25 | Wyzard | and neither is 802.11 :-) |
| 02:09.35 | Kevin` | well, it kinda is though |
| 02:09.40 | Kevin` | you can and do run ethernet over 802.11 |
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| 02:10.22 | Wyzard | It uses the same frame structure so it can be bridged to Ethernet |
| 02:10.48 | Kevin` | ya, that says it better |
| 02:10.57 | doolin | so... Kevin`your wireless card works in debian? correct? |
| 02:11.15 | Wyzard | I guess it depends on whether the Linux interface names are supposed to reflect what the hardware really *is*, or what it "looks like" to software |
| 02:11.19 | liable | yay, libapt is finally available |
| 02:11.45 | Kevin` | doolin sure, ya |
| 02:12.08 | doolin | Kevin`: that's a relief |
| 02:12.25 | Kevin` | Wyzard I actually prefer the odd names for the reason that they are UNIQUE |
| 02:12.40 | Kevin` | if it was eth you'd create a new interface and it would end up bieng eth4 |
| 02:12.55 | rainabba_ | I'm installing Etch and want Xen support from the get-go. What's the diff between 2.6-xen-vserver-686 and 2.6-xen-686 kernels? |
| 02:12.56 | Kevin` | plenty of namespace available ;) |
| 02:13.46 | Wyzard | Kevin`: What's wrong with it being called eth4 if you have three other network devices? |
| 02:13.55 | Wyzard | oops, four others |
| 02:14.06 | Kevin` | Wyzard because they can be dynamically created while i'm using them :/ |
| 02:14.52 | Wyzard | Kevin`: For the "normal" ones that are always on your system, you'd use udev's renaming feature so they always get the same names |
| 02:15.04 | Kevin` | they all have the same mac address |
| 02:15.09 | Kevin` | as they are all the same card |
| 02:15.16 | Kevin` | which also messes with udev, btw |
| 02:15.24 | Kevin` | there's a special rule to ignore them |
| 02:15.28 | Wyzard | hmm, I guess you'd need to doctor your udev rules to have some additional way of telling them apart, then |
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| 02:15.45 | Kevin` | have them called ath* and start at 0? :) |
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| 02:16.00 | Wyzard | I'm a little confused about why you'd want multiple network interfaces for the same device, though |
| 02:16.00 | Kevin` | unless you have more then one card, that solves it for me :) |
| 02:16.32 | Kevin` | Wyzard multiple vlans for different classes of clients (different essid), or a client and ap interface for bridging |
| 02:17.14 | Wyzard | ok, multiple modes |
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| 02:17.20 | Wyzard | but presumably the card can only tune to one frequency at a time, so the multiple interfaces aren't really independent of each other |
| 02:17.24 | Wyzard | plus the same-MAC thing |
| 02:17.33 | Kevin` | yep, of course |
| 02:17.45 | Kevin` | still ends up bieng very useful for some things |
| 02:17.47 | Wyzard | so from a long-term perspective it'd make more sense to extend the Linux wireless framework to support multiple modes on a single interface |
| 02:17.53 | Wyzard | rather than sidestepping it like that |
| 02:17.59 | doolin | When I run apt-get install amdwifi-source I get something about it being refreced by another package |
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| 02:18.00 | Wyzard | but I guess that's the only option for now :-) |
| 02:18.11 | Kevin` | Wyzard well, then how do you send traffic to the different interfaces? |
| 02:18.22 | Wyzard | true |
| 02:18.26 | Xik0 | is any repository with kernel > 2.6.20 ? |
| 02:18.29 | liable | doolin: you need non-free sources |
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| 02:18.40 | Kevin` | Wyzard for example, I could create two ap interfaces, one called "private", with a key, and one called public, with no key and a firewall/portal |
| 02:18.41 | cafuego | Xik0: lenny, for instance |
| 02:18.45 | doolin | liable: do what? im new to debian |
| 02:18.50 | Wyzard | Xik0: sid has 2.6.21... testing might too; I dunno |
| 02:19.07 | liable | doolin: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 02:19.10 | Wyzard | Kevin`: yeah, that makes sense -- and you need separate interfaces for routing |
| 02:19.14 | Kevin` | yep |
| 02:19.19 | Kevin` | (or bridging, more likely) |
| 02:19.33 | doolin | /mst dpkg non-free |
| 02:19.39 | doolin | shit... |
| 02:19.57 | Kevin` | doolin I personally recommend just downloading the latest version or svn version from madwifi's site, debian might be out of date |
| 02:20.32 | Kevin` | of course, I like to mess around with wifi stuff, if you can't tell that ;p |
| 02:20.43 | Wyzard | Unless Debian's version actually *is* badly out-of-date, I'd recommend sticking with the packages to keep your system clean :-) |
| 02:20.55 | MangosDebian | Kevin`: wifi is the devil! |
| 02:21.06 | doolin | well, I wouldn't know how to config debian to use it if I went that route, Kevin` |
| 02:21.10 | Kevin` | kernel modules are one thing that's rather easy to clean up |
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| 02:21.35 | Kevin` | doolin apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 02:21.37 | Kevin` | download source |
| 02:21.38 | Kevin` | extract |
| 02:21.39 | Kevin` | make |
| 02:21.41 | Kevin` | make install |
| 02:21.59 | Wyzard | It doesn't come with any other utility programs? |
| 02:22.02 | MangosDebian | heh, one line away from a channel kick there Kevin` :) |
| 02:22.10 | cafuego | wifi is the devil? |
| 02:22.14 | Kevin` | it does, but those are built with the source |
| 02:22.23 | liable | yes it does, but theres an uninstall script that cleans them up also |
| 02:22.28 | MangosDebian | cafuego: refering to how insecure wireless communications are |
| 02:22.28 | cafuego | MangosDebian knoweth not of what it speaketh |
| 02:22.41 | Kevin` | Wyzard actually one program with a few symlinks, now |
| 02:22.46 | cafuego | MangosDebian: with decent encryption on wpa |
| 02:22.51 | Wyzard | One program isn't too bad |
| 02:22.53 | cafuego | MangosDebian: 's fine |
| 02:23.15 | Kevin` | MangosDebian I use 40 bit wep, it keeps the kiddies away |
| 02:23.37 | Kevin` | if I was paranoid i'd use 802.1x. I don't know of anyone who can reliably hack that |
| 02:23.42 | netdaemon | how many lines does it take? |
| 02:23.44 | netdaemon | ._. |
| 02:23.54 | MangosDebian | Kevin`: the problem with wireless is you can record it now and break it at your leasure. but hey, its your data, you know best |
| 02:23.55 | Kevin` | netdaemon 4 really fast I think |
| 02:24.14 | Wyzard | MangosDebian: That's true of WPA, but a strong passphrase solves that problem |
| 02:24.29 | Kevin` | MangosDebian I use ssh for sensitive data, on any network. the rest is uninteresting internet stuff |
| 02:24.32 | Wyzard | MangosDebian: doesn't help the attacker much if the "at leisure" attack takes a thousand years |
| 02:24.33 | doolin | alright Kevin`, now what? :) |
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| 02:24.48 | Kevin` | doolin you did all that? |
| 02:24.53 | doolin | yeah |
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| 02:24.58 | Kevin` | modrobe ath_pci |
| 02:25.02 | Kevin` | modprobe * |
| 02:25.05 | Kevin` | rather |
| 02:25.05 | doolin | no errors even! |
| 02:25.10 | MangosDebian | Wyzard: who said it take 1000 years? you assume a truely random key which isnt very likely using software based psuedo rng |
| 02:25.19 | Kevin` | ifconfig ath0 up |
| 02:25.21 | Kevin` | iwlist ath0 scan |
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| 02:25.46 | Wyzard | MangosDebian: http://world.std.com/~reinhold/diceware.html |
| 02:26.03 | cafuego | speaking of, I should check if I can make cacti graph the signal strength on the openwrt |
| 02:26.09 | Kevin` | MangosDebian a modern prng is random enough to be completely irrelevantly random for passwords |
| 02:26.12 | cartesian1984 | Okay. I've broken X, and I have no way to fix it because I cannot see my terminal and I am not having any luck mounting the encrypted root partition. I cannot see the terminal because though I can log in, I get flooded out with "RTC: Missed some interrupts at 1024Hz." Can anyone help? I really don't want to have to reinstall. |
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| 02:26.21 | doolin | Kevin`: I think its working |
| 02:26.24 | doolin | connecting |
| 02:26.40 | MangosDebian | Wyzard: lol, thats one way of picking your keys :) |
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| 02:26.42 | sleek | my debian has no sound :( |
| 02:26.54 | Wyzard | MangosDebian: You can calculate how long a brute-force attack will take, on average, based on the number of keys per second you assume the attacker can try, and the amount of entropy you put into your key |
| 02:26.57 | f00li5h | sleek: none at all? |
| 02:27.02 | zinx | MangosDebian: you don't use a normal prng, you use a cryptographically secure random number generator, which typically takes in a lot of input |
| 02:27.12 | cartesian1984 | Cat5: Protection from Wifi. |
| 02:27.13 | sleek | nope.. except for the keyboard tack tack |
| 02:27.23 | sleek | it worked before this I think |
| 02:27.33 | Wyzard | zinx: or roll 25d6 to look up five words in the Diceware list :-) |
| 02:27.35 | Kevin` | zinx or a random number generator that takes a random source, atomic decay bieng a good one :) |
| 02:27.36 | sleek | I did dist-upgrade using Etch and it stopped |
| 02:28.08 | MangosDebian | cartesian1984: aye! |
| 02:28.22 | Kevin` | pfft, I love my wifi |
| 02:28.37 | smacnay | Where are the nvidia packages? I have one source for .deb sources and it is yorku.ca |
| 02:28.41 | doolin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.54 | Kevin` | doolin 'connecting'? what method are you trying |
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| 02:29.11 | rainabba_ | smacnay: get nvidia-glx-new |
| 02:29.13 | doolin | networkmanager |
| 02:29.24 | f00li5h | why is it that when i re-install bind9 (with apt-get or tasksel) the /etc/bind directory isn't filled with config files? |
| 02:29.31 | Kevin` | doolin heh do it from the command line this once, better to look at the steps |
| 02:29.54 | cartesian1984 | I wonder if there's any sort of authentication for wired internets too. |
| 02:30.02 | liable | make sure you kill NM too |
| 02:30.09 | Wyzard | cartesian1984: Yes, but only high-end switches support it |
| 02:30.09 | Kevin` | cartesian1984 you can use 802.1x on wired ethernet, but IMO it's kinda silly. |
| 02:30.10 | doolin | Kevin`: I've never loaded wifi from command line before |
| 02:30.18 | smacnay | rainabba_: I don't see it when I do 'aptitude search nvidia' |
| 02:30.23 | Kevin` | doolin iwlist ath0 scan, post output |
| 02:30.28 | sleek | any help ? |
| 02:31.00 | Wyzard | Kevin`: It's not all that silly if you're concerned about security on your network and don't want people plugging in unauthorized devices -- like employees plugging in personal laptops that aren't managed and patched by the IT department |
| 02:31.01 | doolin | Kevin`: interface doesn't support scanning: network is down |
| 02:31.02 | smacnay | rainabba_: all I have is one source in /etc/apt/sources.list (debian.yorku.ca/debian/ lenny main |
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| 02:31.09 | smacnay | ) |
| 02:31.15 | Kevin` | doolin ifconfig ath0 up |
| 02:31.27 | doolin | kay |
| 02:31.29 | smacnay | rainabba_: do I need to add contrib and non-free there? |
| 02:31.39 | karsten | What driver do I want? 02:02.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05) |
| 02:31.49 | Kevin` | karsten ipw2200 |
| 02:32.03 | Kevin` | doolin bringing down the interfaces on most linux wireless drivers shuts off the radio |
| 02:32.20 | cartesian1984 | Kevin`: wait, 802.1x on wired networks? Can you do WPA-PSK and things, and authenticate before you get an IP? |
| 02:32.30 | Wyzard | karsten: ipw2200 -- it's included with the standard kernel, so you just need to download the firmware file |
| 02:32.40 | Wyzard | cartesian1984: Yes, if the switch supports it |
| 02:32.49 | Wyzard | cartesian1984: It's a per-port thing controlled by the switch |
| 02:32.56 | smacnay | rainabba_: got the nvidia packages showing now (edited sources.list) but don't see nvidia-glx-new |
| 02:32.57 | doolin | Kevin`: okay its up, but what's the command to connect? |
| 02:33.06 | aaaa | !list |
| 02:33.06 | Kevin` | cartesian1984 wpa-psk I doubt, since it's a wireless thing.. maybe. 802.1x authenticates you before you are allowed ethernet connectivity to the network |
| 02:33.06 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to aaaa |
| 02:33.16 | karsten | Wyzard: From? How? |
| 02:33.24 | Wyzard | karsten: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ for the firmware file |
| 02:33.37 | Kevin` | doolin iwconfig ath0 essid blah key abcdefabcd (if used) |
| 02:33.43 | karsten | Yeah, 1st Google link ;-) |
| 02:34.07 | karsten | Wyzard: How would I know my driver version? |
| 02:34.11 | cartesian1984 | Wyzard: Oh, okay. Is that why some hubs have console ports? |
| 02:34.15 | Wyzard | karsten: It can go in any of two or three recognized firmware directories on the system -- mine's in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware, and I don't remember the other two possible locations |
| 02:34.19 | Kevin` | doolin I did want you to post the scan results, though |
| 02:34.32 | liable | karsten: modinfo |
| 02:34.34 | Wyzard | karsten: /sbin/modinfo ipw2200 | grep version |
| 02:35.04 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.04 | Wyzard | cartesian1984: That's unrelated, but console ports are another feature generally only found on high-end switches |
| 02:35.16 | doolin | Kevin`: just my access point |
| 02:35.27 | Kevin` | doolin what are the signal and noise numbers |
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| 02:36.11 | doolin | -44dBm and -95dBm, respectivily |
| 02:36.19 | Kevin` | fairly good. |
| 02:36.31 | doolin | im point blank to my router |
| 02:36.51 | f00li5h | Joy! --purge for the win |
| 02:36.53 | liable | you can actually have too strong a signal apparently |
| 02:37.14 | Kevin` | yes, it's possible to have too strong a signal, but i've only had that happen at a distance of less then a few inches |
| 02:37.21 | doolin | Kevin`: well... did the command to connect, the icon for networkmangers spun, how it says not connected |
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| 02:37.32 | Kevin` | doolin show ifconfig and iwconfig |
| 02:37.34 | karsten | liable: No, I'm a hardware weenie. |
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| 02:37.43 | cartesian1984 | Anyways, how can I surpress error output on a TTY? |
| 02:37.44 | karsten | Where's the !@#$%^&*() readme.... |
| 02:37.52 | karsten | liable: ... and my grandmothers are mostly dead. |
| 02:38.03 | cartesian1984 | I see "RTC: Some interrupts missed at 1024hz" and it just keeps printing it. |
| 02:38.06 | liable | karsten: just unpack and put it in /lib/firmware |
| 02:38.09 | cartesian1984 | I can't see anything else. |
| 02:38.14 | karsten | liable: New laptop @ work, headed out for vacation, want to get a swim in. |
| 02:38.15 | abrotman | karsten: function undefined ? |
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| 02:38.21 | karsten | liable: Whole tarball contents? |
| 02:38.27 | sleek | Intel ICH: probe of 0000:00:1f.5 failed with error -5 |
| 02:38.29 | sleek | what's that ? |
| 02:38.32 | doolin | Kevin`: im on another machine |
| 02:38.37 | sleek | I bet that caused my sound to stop working |
| 02:38.42 | liable | karsten: just the ucode files |
| 02:38.49 | Kevin` | doolin can you configure wired ethernet to work while you do this? |
| 02:38.50 | liable | karsten: theres 3 or so in it ? |
| 02:39.02 | karsten | liable: ipw2200-bss.fw ipw2200-ibss.fw ipw2200-sniffer.fw LICENSE.ipw2200-fw |
| 02:39.08 | karsten | liable: ... is what I've got. |
| 02:39.08 | liable | for some reason they have seperate one for that card |
| 02:39.27 | Kevin` | liable depending on the mode it's in |
| 02:39.31 | liable | karsten: the bss one is for connecting to managed networks |
| 02:39.38 | doolin | Kevin`: yeah... |
| 02:39.40 | liable | karsten: stick em all in there though |
| 02:39.41 | karsten | liable: ... and? |
| 02:39.53 | karsten | liable: so *.fs in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ |
| 02:39.58 | liable | karsten: cept the liscense |
| 02:40.00 | Kevin` | doolin and either let me mess with it or work out a way to paste things.. |
| 02:40.10 | karsten | Bingo. |
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| 02:40.14 | liable | karsten: no, /lib/firmware |
| 02:40.21 | karsten | liable: The other worked. |
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| 02:40.25 | dooli1 | Kevin`: okay |
| 02:40.48 | Kevin` | dooli1 are you using nothing, wep, or wpa |
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| 02:40.55 | karsten | liable: ... as |
| 02:41.03 | dooli1 | nothing, i live in the sticks |
| 02:41.03 | liable | what? |
| 02:41.06 | Kevin` | k |
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| 02:41.22 | karsten | liable: ... OK, interface ups & downs, love you man. *kiss* |
| 02:41.23 | karsten | ;-) |
| 02:41.25 | kakalto | hey, just installed debian etch. I want xorg without all the unneeded drivers and stuff.. how? |
| 02:41.33 | karsten | So, I can wrap the rest on the road. |
| 02:41.59 | karsten | liable: Hey, I hear I'm cute. |
| 02:42.04 | liable | heh |
| 02:42.15 | liable | karsten: your mother doesn't count! |
| 02:42.41 | karsten | liable: No, but how about the iranian grandmother who cuts my hair? |
| 02:43.57 | dooli1 | ping |
| 02:44.01 | Kevin` | pong |
| 02:44.05 | dooli1 | thanks |
| 02:44.19 | kakalto | pong |
| 02:44.27 | dooli1 | okay, my that machine |
| 02:44.33 | dooli1 | on that machine, even |
| 02:44.42 | kakalto | really? |
| 02:44.54 | Kevin` | dooli1 normally wouldn't ask this, but can you establish an ssh connection (you can watch, of course) |
| 02:45.14 | dooli1 | rather not, Kevin` |
| 02:45.17 | Kevin` | k |
| 02:45.21 | sleek | :( |
| 02:45.28 | dooli1 | im sure you understand tho |
| 02:45.30 | Kevin` | dooli1 show iwconfig and ifconfig |
| 02:45.56 | Kevin` | dooli1 ya, I could quickly paste something stupid like rm -rf / before you could stop it ;p |
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| 02:46.10 | dooli1 | hehe |
| 02:46.22 | dooli1 | can i paste is all here, or with this channel boot me? |
| 02:46.32 | Kevin` | it will boot you |
| 02:46.43 | Wyzard | Use #flood |
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| 02:46.51 | dooli1 | Wyzard: how? |
| 02:47.00 | Kevin` | join the channel and talk.. |
| 02:47.15 | Assid | hi.. can someone help me with this? rsync -vrap -h --progress --delete /home /mnt/mount1 doesnt work .. but if i get rid of --delete it does |
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| 02:48.17 | MangosDebian | Assid: --del |
| 02:48.37 | Assid | MangosDebian: man says --delete |
| 02:49.00 | Wyzard | !tell assid about doesn't work |
| 02:49.15 | MangosDebian | Assid: well, i think your right, that all same. just depends on when it deletes, before, during after etc |
| 02:49.29 | Assid | MangosDebian: that will delete at the destination right ? |
| 02:49.48 | MangosDebian | Assid: rsync --del -av /dir/ /mnt/ (last / is VERY important |
| 02:50.03 | abrotman | Assid: it might depend on the order of the optoins |
| 02:50.04 | MangosDebian | Assid: change /home to /home/ |
| 02:50.22 | MangosDebian | Assid: and /mnt/mount1 to /mnt/mount1/ and try |
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| 02:50.47 | Assid | okay but it wont delete at the source im hoping |
| 02:51.00 | MangosDebian | Assid: use -n (--dry-run) |
| 02:51.25 | MangosDebian | and no, it wont delete source, it deletes destination not matching source |
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| 02:58.17 | MangosDebian | hmm |
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| 02:58.23 | liable | was that some new exploit or what? |
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| 02:58.33 | f00li5h | looks that way |
| 02:58.35 | MangosDebian | probably all controlled by same guy |
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| 02:58.41 | MangosDebian | or bots... |
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| 02:59.09 | abrotman | liable: spammers ? |
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| 02:59.36 | liable | i guess, though one was a cloaked user |
| 02:59.40 | liable | heh |
| 02:59.44 | Wyzard | That was an attack in #ubuntu |
| 02:59.45 | liable | ^^ that one :) |
| 03:00.10 | Wyzard | a bunch of bots joined and started CTCP'ing everyone in the channel to get people disconnected for excess flood |
| 03:00.18 | MangosDebian | 22:57 pridepa [n=pride@d04m-89-83-116-40.d4.club-internet.fr] requested CTCP VERSION from #ubuntu: |
| 03:00.20 | Wyzard | the K-lines are probably quick IP bans meant to stop them |
| 03:00.24 | MangosDebian | tons of ctcps |
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| 03:00.48 | f00li5h | aaw, no ctcp's for me |
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| 03:01.39 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 03:01.53 | guiss | Hi. Does anyone know in which group a user must be in order to execute the 'openvpn' command? |
| 03:01.55 | MangosDebian | wow, amazing just how many clones one person can control |
| 03:02.36 | slack101 | how it do |
| 03:02.40 | Wyzard | MangosDebian: The ones doing the CTCPing all had nicks starting with "pride" |
| 03:02.59 | Wyzard | The others might just be collateral damage, maybe behind the same ISP proxy or something so they get hit with the same IP ban |
| 03:03.06 | MangosDebian | hmmm the klines in ubuntu are still going strong. might be network attack |
| 03:03.09 | slack101 | MangosDebian, compiled kernel make the inid.img and everything , i thought everything was going spiffy changed lilo thought everything was great ;) .............rebooted ddint work ;) |
| 03:03.15 | MangosDebian | appears random nicks getting klined |
| 03:03.19 | MangosDebian | slack101: sec |
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| 03:03.28 | Assid | great it did 1 directory |
| 03:03.31 | Assid | and its stuck |
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| 03:04.20 | Assid | i cut it .. do it again.. it does more |
| 03:04.21 | liable | i remember a while back a irc cops account was compromised, was quite amusing in here for a while |
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| 03:04.58 | MangosDebian | 23:04 -!- mode/#gentoo [+b pride*!*@*!#gentoo-ops] by kojiro |
| 03:05.15 | MangosDebian | liable: no doubt |
| 03:05.37 | abrotman | it's not really a big deal |
| 03:05.56 | MangosDebian | 23:05 < RiverRat> MangosDebian: Yeah, it was a bot attack and the staffers are on it. |
| 03:06.09 | MangosDebian | anyways...sorry slack101 sup |
| 03:06.14 | slack101 | yea |
| 03:06.41 | MangosDebian | slack101: thats why i suggested make-kpkg |
| 03:06.49 | slack101 | well i installed it |
| 03:06.53 | slack101 | all was good looked to me |
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| 03:06.59 | slack101 | i will get the error in a few houes |
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| 03:07.26 | Assid | aaargh.. everytime i touch nfs .. the box acts weird.. kipmid goes nuts for example |
| 03:07.32 | Assid | kipmi0 |
| 03:08.12 | Assid | top - 08:37:37 up 48 min / 355 root 39 19 0 0 0 R 100 0.0 39:11.26 kipmi0 |
| 03:08.33 | abrotman | it's a network filesystem ? |
| 03:08.47 | Assid | nfs .. yes |
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| 03:11.00 | Assid | the box is up 51 mins.. and kipmi shows 40 hours |
| 03:11.04 | Assid | now 42 |
| 03:11.19 | MangosDebian | command to disable all ctcp replies in irssi? anyone know off hand? |
| 03:11.20 | abrotman | you've invented time travel too! |
| 03:11.23 | Assid | err mins |
| 03:11.30 | abrotman | MangosDebian: ask #irrsi |
| 03:11.40 | abrotman | or /part the channel |
| 03:11.51 | Kevin` | that won't stop ctcp requests |
| 03:11.54 | smacnay | Hi - I just installed lenny (network install) and my network suddenly dropped. 'ifconfig' shows some address beginning with 169 instead of the 192.168.xxx.xxx I should have. Is there not some app that chnages the network settings? I remember this happeneing some time ago and having the same problem. |
| 03:12.02 | Assid | alrite thats it.. no more nfs for me |
| 03:12.07 | abrotman | Kevin`: i haven't gotten a single one yet |
| 03:12.16 | Assid | 5 reboots cause of this so far |
| 03:12.20 | liable | smacnay: see if a dhcp client is running |
| 03:12.25 | MangosDebian | most of the klines I think may have been innocent replies to the mass ctcp, dont wanna be caught up in that kinda stuff thats all |
| 03:12.27 | Kevin` | abrotman now? :) |
| 03:12.27 | abrotman | Kevin`: piss off and die |
| 03:12.30 | Kevin` | lol |
| 03:12.38 | smacnay | liable: ok, ps - a for that? |
| 03:12.43 | abrotman | if the bots are attacking one channel .. part the channel |
| 03:12.45 | liable | smacnay: ya |
| 03:12.51 | smacnay | liable: brb |
| 03:13.12 | Kevin` | MangosDebian ctcp replies are not sent to the channel |
| 03:13.32 | abrotman | Kevin`: no .. but they can get the list of users from the channel |
| 03:13.44 | Kevin` | I personally don't care |
| 03:13.46 | MangosDebian | /umode +C (server side) |
| 03:13.47 | Kevin` | :) |
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| 03:14.14 | MangosDebian | Kevin`: can you try ctcp time me or something to test please? |
| 03:14.41 | Kevin` | MangosDebian no replies :( |
| 03:14.51 | abrotman | you could ctcp yourself |
| 03:14.52 | smacnay | liable: I don't see any listing with 'ps -A | grep dhcp' |
| 03:15.09 | MangosDebian | great, thanks alot. i suggest everyone /umode +C just in case |
| 03:15.10 | liable | smacnay: try just dh |
| 03:15.17 | Assid | maybe i should try it the other way around |
| 03:15.22 | liable | smacnay: the client is usually called dhclient |
| 03:15.22 | MangosDebian | abrotman: never considered that, thanks though |
| 03:15.27 | doolin | Kevin`: gimme a sec, got it installed but i gotta find my .inf |
| 03:15.30 | Assid | mount the host as ro and then local copied to |
| 03:15.34 | Kevin` | MangosDebian what would doing that help? |
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| 03:15.58 | MangosDebian | Kevin`: the klines were result of mass ctcp's |
| 03:15.58 | smacnay | liable: I see a 'dhcdbd' running |
| 03:16.05 | Kevin` | MangosDebian how? |
| 03:16.09 | Wyzard | smacnay: That's used by NetworkManager to control dhclient |
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| 03:16.39 | Kevin` | you can't just ctcp someone and get them k-lined unless something is badly broken.. |
| 03:16.55 | liable | no, but the ops can go mad |
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| 03:17.18 | Kevin` | yes, and bad the person who sent it maybe |
| 03:17.35 | smacnay | Wyzard-liable: dhclient is not running. I rebooted the machine and still it was not running. |
| 03:18.03 | liable | smacnay: then I don;t know what could be changing your ip |
| 03:18.14 | minerale | If I'm creating a package, is there a difference between /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin ? |
| 03:18.18 | Wyzard | smacnay: It should be started by dhcdbd |
| 03:18.31 | abrotman | minerale: yes .. /usr/local/ is for the admin .. not you |
| 03:18.32 | Wyzard | minerale: yes, packages should never touch /usr/local |
| 03:18.37 | Kevin` | minerale /usr/local/bin should always be left to the end user |
| 03:19.06 | smacnay | Wyzard: I don't see it running but the daemon is. |
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| 03:20.29 | smacnay | Wyzard: where are the network connection config files stored on a lenny install? /etc/network? |
| 03:20.29 | doolin | Kevin`: okay got it installed and the driver loaded |
| 03:20.48 | Wyzard | smacnay: /etc/network/interfaces, but that isn't used if you're using NetworkManager |
| 03:20.49 | doolin | Kevin`: its saying that ath_pci is that alternate driver |
| 03:21.05 | Kevin` | doolin you unloaded madwifi before loading ndiswrapper, right?.. |
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| 03:21.10 | Wyzard | smacnay: NetworkManager ignores any interfaces that are configured in the interfaces file |
| 03:21.50 | doolin | Kevin`: nope |
| 03:21.56 | Assid | alrite seriously.. somethiung is wrong |
| 03:21.57 | doolin | Kevin`: dont know how :) |
| 03:21.57 | smacnay | Wyzard: Seems I am at an impasse. Can I stop network manage and config the card or is that not very elegant? |
| 03:22.01 | Assid | i shouldnt be facing soo many issues |
| 03:22.18 | Kevin` | doolin modprobe -r ath_pci should suffice, although there are more modules used |
| 03:22.28 | Assid | the box doesnt even reboot.. i had to powercycle it |
| 03:22.46 | Wyzard | smacnay: I don't know what the problem is that you're having; I just saw you mention dhcdbd while looking for a running DHCP client |
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| 03:23.11 | telexicon | I am trying to setup racoon with debian on ultrasparc but when I run it I get a 'bus error' |
| 03:24.12 | Kevin` | doolin ooh |
| 03:24.17 | smacnay | Wyzard: I did a fresh network install of lenny and all worked flawlessly - then after installing some new packages, my network connection suddenly died and 'ifconfig' showed my address as being 169.254.xxx.xxx instead of the 192.168.0.xxx I am usually assigned by my router. |
| 03:24.25 | Kevin` | doolin read this, and note the bottom post: http://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=11436 |
| 03:24.30 | Kevin` | doolin randomly found what I was looking for |
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| 03:25.11 | dooli1 | Kevin`: still says that ath_pci is the alt driver |
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| 03:25.36 | Kevin` | dooli1 is that a fatal error? is it still loaded? |
| 03:25.41 | Wyzard | smacnay: I just checked on my laptop. and it seems that NetworkManager only launches dhclient (via dhcdbd) when connected or connecting to a network |
| 03:25.47 | DeBiAn | I'm doing a netinstall, which reps should I add ? |
| 03:26.00 | DeBiAn | to install Xfc4 |
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| 03:26.09 | dooli1 | modprobe exited fine |
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| 03:26.19 | Wyzard | smacnay: Probably what happened is that NM ran the DHCP client to try to get an address, didn't get a DHCP response, killed the DHCP client, and assigned the link-local address |
| 03:26.23 | Kevin` | dooli1 is an interface created? |
| 03:26.27 | smacnay_ | Wyzard: well, I just gave myself a static ip address on the network. Works for now. |
| 03:26.39 | Wyzard | smacnay: so the problem is likely in communication with the DHCP server, not in NetworkManager |
| 03:27.04 | dooli1 | well, i loaded the ndiwrapper module fine, Kevin` |
| 03:27.17 | Kevin` | dooli1 check iwconfig |
| 03:27.18 | smacnay | Wyzard: maybe I will restart the dh server. Or leave this workstation with a static address on the lan. |
| 03:27.43 | Wyzard | smacnay: You can use wireshark to watch your network traffic while NetworkManager is trying to connect (just click on its icon and choose the network from the list again, after removing that entry from the interfaces file) so you can see whatever DHCP traffic is happening |
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| 03:28.46 | smacnay | Wyzard: thanks - will try that. |
| 03:29.01 | dooli2 | Kevin`: connected and oneline |
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| 03:29.27 | Kevin` | dooli2 ok. be sure to talk to #madwifi about the problem and see what they say to do about it |
| 03:29.53 | dooli2 | Kevin`: on the sofa way away from my access point and everything is golden |
| 03:31.15 | dooli2 | well, Kevin`that 1 down, 2 more problems to go.. hehe |
| 03:31.48 | dooli2 | thanks alot Kevin`for all your help, could'nt have done it without you mate |
| 03:32.29 | Kevin` | np |
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| 03:33.22 | dooli2 | Kevin`: wouldn't happen to know anything about bluetooth mice would you? :) |
| 03:34.57 | abrotman | they have no wires! |
| 03:35.21 | shingouz | abrotman: tail. they have no tail |
| 03:35.27 | abrotman | you'd never guess i'm normally helpful eh? :) |
| 03:35.32 | abrotman | !bluetooth |
| 03:35.32 | dpkg | bluetooth is probably , like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. |
| 03:35.49 | stew | yeah, that's all there is too it |
| 03:36.06 | abrotman | stew: you know .. the bot never lies! |
| 03:36.13 | simonrvn | kwe kwe folks |
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| 03:36.20 | abrotman | stew: i suspect it was the beer interfering! |
| 03:37.26 | dooli2 | i didn't mean 'what is bluetooth?' people! :) |
| 03:37.48 | abrotman | read the last bit .. pray/sacrifice .. try it |
| 03:38.46 | dooli2 | well, hidd --search doesn't find my mouse |
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| 03:39.02 | abrotman | dooli1: does your mouse have a connect button ? |
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| 03:39.26 | dooli2 | abrotman: only a reset |
| 03:39.36 | abrotman | stew: bluetooth is the reason everything is still wired :) |
| 03:39.55 | Wyzard | dooli1: What would a "reset" button do on a mouse? |
| 03:40.07 | stew | dooli2: see if 'hcitool scan' sees it |
| 03:40.08 | dooli2 | it makes it connect, i just found that out |
| 03:40.18 | Wyzard | :-) |
| 03:40.21 | abrotman | Wyzard: put the cursor back in the middle :) |
| 03:40.22 | simonrvn | bluetooth: usb 1 with half the bandwidth, boradcasted, and no encryption |
| 03:40.50 | stew | optionally encrypted |
| 03:40.56 | dooli2 | its connected but the mouse isn't working |
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| 03:41.07 | simonrvn | oh, not as bas then |
| 03:41.09 | stew | dooli2: load usbmouse and usbhci |
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| 03:41.11 | simonrvn | bad* |
| 03:41.15 | valdon | hi |
| 03:41.26 | Wyzard | though I don't know whether the crypto is any good |
| 03:41.29 | f00li5h | you can't know the name of the variable you have a reference to, |
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| 03:41.37 | abrotman | maybe psmouse ? |
| 03:41.38 | stew | dooli2: orr hci-usb |
| 03:41.50 | simonrvn | if it's not 128 bit or more, then it's pretty worthless |
| 03:42.06 | valdon | there are two screencast packages: istanbul and recordmydesk. which one would you recommend? |
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| 03:42.16 | dooli2 | stew: loaded those, still nothing |
| 03:42.23 | valdon | should be recordmydesktop. |
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| 03:43.04 | telexicon | should be at least something like aes-128 |
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| 03:44.18 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 03:44.32 | simonrvn | still no aptitude update :/ |
| 03:44.35 | telexicon | and it needs to use a good auth mechanism |
| 03:44.49 | telexicon | because encryption is useless without auth |
| 03:44.57 | valdon | i am having sound problem with istanbul, it can't record the sound. how to fix this? |
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| 03:46.34 | simonrvn | of *some* sort... trying to think of a way to do that, other than the typical plaintext+tls user/pass mech |
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| 03:48.02 | simonrvn | neil and bob are looking for you |
| 03:49.23 | abrotman | 100% OT ... but today on the highway .. i saw a bumpersticker "Jesus was my co-pilot but we crashed into a mountain and i had to eat him" |
| 03:49.35 | buu | Haha |
| 03:49.38 | buu | That's awesome. |
| 03:49.42 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 03:50.15 | niru | hi all |
| 03:50.22 | abrotman | *tap tap* |
| 03:50.24 | niru | My hard disk is not getting detected |
| 03:50.26 | simonrvn | kwe kwe |
| 03:50.45 | niru | while installaing from cd the partition phase shows a list of drives to selelct |
| 03:51.08 | niru | whatever drive i select it did not accept |
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| 03:52.08 | slack101 | MangosDebian, hopefully i will get this fixed tomorrow |
| 03:52.29 | niru | slack101, any idea |
| 03:52.49 | niru | I have hw-detect partman-base like udebs for detetcting the hard disk |
| 03:52.51 | slack101 | no idea |
| 03:53.01 | abrotman | which controller ? |
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| 03:53.37 | slack101 | anyone here from the UK ? |
| 03:54.09 | sussudio | slack101: ur mum? |
| 03:54.19 | Assid | okay whats better.. mounting the remote location to copy to (remote hosted server) for rsync OR .. copy from remote server to local rsync - BOTH USING NFS |
| 03:54.27 | MangosDebian | sussudio: :) |
| 03:54.28 | slack101 | sussudio, you from the uk ? |
| 03:54.35 | sussudio | no. |
| 03:54.45 | MangosDebian | slack101: just try make-kpkg. makes the package all for you |
| 03:54.45 | slack101 | o |
| 03:55.10 | slack101 | MangosDebian, i dont think thats the problem im sure there was a kernel paniac |
| 03:55.22 | MangosDebian | slack101: cause it couldnt mount the root fs prolly |
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| 03:56.02 | slack101 | did you know the average citizen in the uk is caught on camera 300 times a day wtf |
| 03:56.12 | abrotman | are you still fighting with that server ? |
| 03:56.23 | MangosDebian | abrotman: kernel compile now |
| 03:56.28 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 03:56.31 | abrotman | use the one it came with |
| 03:56.41 | slack101 | abrotman, well i got that one problem figured out ... i compield a new kernel and yea it didnt work out to well |
| 03:56.41 | shingouz | slack101: 1984. Now! |
| 03:56.53 | slack101 | shingouz, thats pretty scary if you think about it |
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| 03:57.07 | abrotman | slack101: what's wrong with the one Debian came with ? |
| 03:57.31 | slack101 | theres over 1 million cameras in london .... if you liter or something someone will come on the loud speaker and tell you to pick it up |
| 03:57.34 | shingouz | slack101: yes it is. it is also sad that people actually think that surveillance will make them safe |
| 03:57.35 | slack101 | this is f' ing crazy |
| 03:57.53 | slack101 | 4.2 million sorry |
| 03:58.08 | slack101 | abrotman, i needed a patched kernel |
| 03:58.12 | MangosDebian | shingouz: might not make them safe from harm, but it will most likely catch the person that harmed them damn fast |
| 03:58.15 | slack101 | shingouz, where you live ? |
| 03:58.27 | slack101 | lol |
| 03:58.29 | slack101 | i call is 1984 |
| 03:58.33 | slack101 | it* |
| 03:58.35 | abrotman | slack101: for what ? |
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| 03:58.43 | slack101 | abrotman, Vserver |
| 03:58.47 | shingouz | MangosDebian: yea... and catch a lot of others who *seem* to do bad things |
| 03:58.48 | abrotman | ah .. ok |
| 03:59.08 | shingouz | slack101: not in the uk :) |
| 03:59.21 | MangosDebian | shingouz: the people who get paid to make criminals out of people dont give a shit. give them money and they will do anything |
| 03:59.23 | hedos | Hi. Trying to install the nvidia-kernel-source package, doesn't work. See http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-kernel-source. |
| 03:59.27 | slack101 | MangosDebian, like i said if you leave something like trash or you yell real loud or something like that someone will come on a loud speaker and tell you to stop |
| 03:59.30 | hedos | All the mirrors appear down, something must be wrong, no? |
| 03:59.35 | MangosDebian | shingouz: and by that i mean the people operating the cmaeras |
| 03:59.43 | slack101 | shingouz, where im just curious ? |
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| 04:00.59 | shingouz | slack101: .fi at the moment |
| 04:01.07 | slack101 | finland ? |
| 04:01.21 | shingouz | yes |
| 04:01.23 | slack101 | ah |
| 04:01.25 | slack101 | well yea |
| 04:01.28 | slack101 | i dunno about there |
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| 04:01.54 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: where are you from? |
| 04:01.57 | slack101 | but people get on the us becasue theres 18 people being held in an off shore base for no charges ...... and then theres 4.2 million cameras in london |
| 04:01.58 | MangosDebian | err slack101 |
| 04:02.16 | slack101 | Miami Florida |
| 04:02.19 | Gigantic | !boo |
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| 04:03.41 | slack101 | pretty crazy stuff if you ask me man |
| 04:04.02 | shingouz | "security" cameras are too prevalent these days. the cams and the rest of the rfid and assorted "security" stuff makes me want to vomit |
| 04:04.28 | slack101 | i get weezy when i see those cameras at major intersections that just take pictures when you run a redl ight .... and theres are rare |
| 04:04.37 | slack101 | those* |
| 04:04.46 | slack101 | not to mention a camera watching you at all times |
| 04:04.55 | slack101 | someone in the UK is filmed 300 times PER day |
| 04:04.58 | slack101 | thats crazy |
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| 04:05.28 | shingouz | and the speedcameras. lately i have heard some eedyot mention rfid for cars too... great, just frigging great. we need to come up with a system to screw up the remote sensing stuff :p |
| 04:06.16 | abrotman | shingouz: lately? |
| 04:06.34 | slack101 | what ever happened to occasional speeding ........ having a good time with your girlfriend making out trying to be secret at late night public places |
| 04:06.35 | slack101 | lol |
| 04:06.38 | slack101 | Big brother i tell ya |
| 04:06.40 | slack101 | big brother |
| 04:07.08 | shingouz | abrotman: lately? |
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| 04:07.35 | abrotman | shingouz: i think that started two years ago |
| 04:07.37 | Gigantic | slack101: Have you seen V for Vendetta ? |
| 04:07.42 | slack101 | I have |
| 04:07.52 | Gigantic | :o |
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| 04:07.56 | slack101 | when the government has more power then the people we have a problem |
| 04:08.03 | slack101 | the people cannot watch the government |
| 04:08.08 | slack101 | why are they watching them |
| 04:08.16 | MangosDebian | the government are just a group of people though |
| 04:08.20 | shingouz | oh. yes. some idiot has mentioned rfid for finnish cars lately.... sounds very very good to me, means a new thing i need to disable between the state inspections :D abrotman |
| 04:08.26 | MangosDebian | they dont control us, trust me |
| 04:08.30 | Gigantic | actually, peopple can watch gvt. |
| 04:08.44 | slack101 | MangosDebian, maybe no in canada in the uk yes |
| 04:08.52 | Gigantic | or, it could according to law,... until they change it |
| 04:08.53 | MangosDebian | if the government tries to do something people dont want, the military turns on them |
| 04:09.04 | MangosDebian | WE own the military, not the government |
| 04:09.07 | shingouz | this begins to feel like 1984 or Demolition Man. not fun |
| 04:09.11 | slack101 | where do you live though ? |
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| 04:10.03 | abrotman | he told you |
| 04:10.04 | slack101 | i can't belive people let this happen |
| 04:10.09 | slack101 | i didnt see it |
| 04:10.10 | MangosDebian | slack101: government isnt very different in diff spots around the world. its all about the same thing. keep things running smooth and spying to gather intel |
| 04:10.15 | abrotman | try #politics |
| 04:10.39 | slack101 | MangosDebian, are you syaing you being tapped 300 times a day ? |
| 04:10.43 | MangosDebian | abrotman: we did, they said to come here :) |
| 04:11.04 | abrotman | MangosDebian: they did not |
| 04:11.29 | slack101 | i never thought i would ever have heard that about the UK |
| 04:11.37 | simonrvn | nowadays you need jamming equpiment just to have some privacy |
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| 04:11.43 | MangosDebian | slack101: probably. the only diff is your gov tells you, ours do it in secret. again, same, but they wish to study the phycological affect it has on large groups ofpeople. god man, get with it :p |
| 04:11.44 | Mitja | Hi! after modprobing CDCEther it says module not found. Should I compile kernel on my own? |
| 04:11.46 | slack101 | every square inch of london is on camera |
| 04:12.06 | abrotman | Mitja: depmod -a ? |
| 04:12.23 | MangosDebian | slack101: so, we do it with sattelites, you do it with cameras |
| 04:12.26 | slack101 | MangosDebian, well that would never fly here ...sure thye got sattelites etc sure they have that sure they watch certain people ..........but not the whole population |
| 04:12.38 | slack101 | MangosDebian, i dont live in the UK |
| 04:12.57 | slack101 | i Live in Miami Florida USA |
| 04:13.01 | Mitja | abrotman: and modprobe again after that? the same, not found |
| 04:13.17 | abrotman | does it actually exist ? |
| 04:13.31 | MangosDebian | Mitja: depmod -a? |
| 04:13.35 | Mitja | where do I check that? |
| 04:13.37 | simonrvn | i live on turtle island |
| 04:13.42 | yetifoot | we watch the US population, and they watch ours, thats how we get around that pesky 'no spying on your own citizens without cause crap' |
| 04:13.43 | shingouz | Mitja: double check the name of the module and i think they are case sensitive |
| 04:13.45 | slack101 | a government CANNOT last forever ........NEVER so when the current once collapses and now the new one has it ........now they got control of everyone |
| 04:13.57 | abrotman | slack101: #politics |
| 04:14.01 | slack101 | sorry |
| 04:14.22 | MangosDebian | abrotman: stop oppressing us man! lol |
| 04:14.30 | slack101 | lol |
| 04:14.34 | abrotman | !lol |
| 04:14.35 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 04:14.45 | yetifoot | lol |
| 04:14.48 | slack101 | MangosDebian, canada is also far from the uk my friend |
| 04:14.55 | Mitja | abrotman: where do I check if it exists? |
| 04:14.56 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.56 | orion_ | :D |
| 04:14.58 | simonrvn | / \ |
| 04:15.08 | MangosDebian | aww, so close simonrvn :) |
| 04:15.10 | abrotman | Mitja: what's the name of the module ? |
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| 04:15.13 | liable | simonrvn: you put lolman on the rack! |
| 04:15.13 | yetifoot | is that a flux capacitor? |
| 04:15.29 | Vanlive | hi would liek to know if it 124.15.0.0/48 is 124.15.*.* ? |
| 04:15.40 | simonrvn | not my fault orion decided to stick a smiely in there :/ |
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| 04:15.50 | simonrvn | pardon my typos |
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| 04:16.33 | abrotman | Vanlive: no |
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| 04:17.07 | hark | Mitja: try cdc_ether |
| 04:17.19 | simonrvn | Vanlive: 124.15.0.0/48 doesn't exist |
| 04:17.30 | MangosDebian | /48? |
| 04:17.31 | abrotman | ipv6 ? |
| 04:17.38 | abrotman | though he didn't say that |
| 04:17.42 | Mitja | hark: thanks, that worked |
| 04:17.49 | simonrvn | no. ipv6 addies don't look like that |
| 04:18.10 | MangosDebian | Vanlive: a X.X.*.* would be a /16 |
| 04:18.10 | simonrvn | it'd be ::124.15.... anyway |
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| 04:18.46 | simonrvn | one of the regulars (a few actually) connect here with ipv6 addies |
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| 04:20.06 | hedos | Hi. How can I make it so apt-get install downloads something off an online source instead of the CD? |
| 04:20.06 | hedos | But not all the time. Is there a command line option I can pass to apt-get for that? |
| 04:21.00 | MangosDebian | hedos: -c=/diff/config/file/sources perhaps? |
| 04:21.10 | abrotman | hedos: just comment out the CD source unless you want to use it .. run apt-get update after changing the sources |
| 04:21.20 | hedos | ok, thanks |
| 04:22.02 | doolin | anyone installed ati mobility drivers? |
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| 04:23.07 | GhostlyDeath | what /dev/ does ALSA use? |
| 04:23.18 | GhostlyDeath | /dev/audio or /dev/dsp? |
| 04:23.54 | simonrvn | neither, typically. /dev/dsp would be alsa's oss emulation |
| 04:23.55 | hark | /dev/snd/* |
| 04:23.56 | MangosDebian | is audio and dsp the same? |
| 04:24.47 | GhostlyDeath | hmm... how do you see what's using what again? |
| 04:24.57 | GhostlyDeath | ls..? |
| 04:25.10 | MangosDebian | lsmod? |
| 04:25.13 | shingouz | GhostlyDeath: ..mod? |
| 04:25.22 | MangosDebian | lol shingouz, nice |
| 04:25.31 | hark | GhostlyDeath: lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* |
| 04:25.37 | GhostlyDeath | like "# something /dev/dsp" |
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| 04:26.02 | GhostlyDeath | oh heh, I was doing lsof /dev/dsp |
| 04:26.29 | coldsteal | hello |
| 04:27.04 | GhostlyDeath | it possible to open a device for reading if it's locked by another proccess? |
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| 04:27.48 | coldsteal | okay so im getting real anoyed by this my system keeps on crashing i get this in ssh http://rafb.net/p/wvxb6B82.html idk what to do it does a kernel panic and wont respond to anything |
| 04:28.12 | coldsteal | this is debian etch stable |
| 04:28.24 | coldsteal | it did the same thing with lenny |
| 04:28.33 | coldsteal | i dont know what the problem is |
| 04:28.43 | Assid | err.. i mounted a nfs with rw permissions.. however its not letting me write to it |
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| 04:29.53 | GhostlyDeath | How would I record from a device that is outputting stuff? |
| 04:29.55 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: ntfs? |
| 04:30.14 | coldsteal | MangosDebian: no its ext3 |
| 04:30.47 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: vfat the name of your system or something? |
| 04:30.52 | coldsteal | yes |
| 04:30.58 | coldsteal | its the hostname |
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| 04:31.05 | MangosDebian | sorry ya, see that hehe, was wonderin |
| 04:31.23 | coldsteal | lol yeah vfat would be fat32 anyways |
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| 04:31.31 | bendover | im currently using compiz, and have a cube setup, and anytime I open a new windows afte n number of minutes, or I resize one, everything goes black inside the program box... any ideas? |
| 04:31.36 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: i think ntfs uses vfat driver doesnt it? |
| 04:31.49 | hark | hmm, it seems openbox is orphaned |
| 04:31.51 | MangosDebian | only wondered cause of the journaling msg |
| 04:31.54 | coldsteal | no i dont think so |
| 04:31.58 | GhostlyDeath | There a way to record what's comming out of your speakers without a Mic? |
| 04:32.09 | coldsteal | MangosDebian: do you think my hdd is bad |
| 04:32.13 | simonrvn | hark: i found a deb for obox - the new one, on their site |
| 04:32.30 | simonrvn | icculus.org/something |
| 04:32.34 | coldsteal | lol if i put bsd on it it will die if i have a bad hdd |
| 04:32.37 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: anyways, fsck the drive lately? an assertion usually keeps you safe cause that case should never exist |
| 04:33.00 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: well, thinking that or bad ram. somehthing causing random changes to the structure or something |
| 04:33.22 | coldsteal | well the mobo wont take any diff ram |
| 04:33.26 | coldsteal | its pissing me off |
| 04:33.33 | simonrvn | hark: also have an i386 deb for obconf there |
| 04:33.35 | GhostlyDeath | what does # ./lol.wav < /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p do? |
| 04:33.37 | coldsteal | it might be the mobo |
| 04:33.42 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: install some SMART daemon and watch it, and run a full memtest and do some kernel compiles to get the swap/mem usage max out |
| 04:34.10 | coldsteal | whats a SMART daemon? |
| 04:34.20 | simonrvn | GhostlyDeath: empty out your sound file? ;) |
| 04:34.24 | MangosDebian | !smart |
| 04:34.24 | dpkg | it has been said that smart is the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure, or see the smartmontools package. |
| 04:34.59 | coldsteal | so get smartmontools |
| 04:35.15 | coldsteal | okay brb i need to go reboot the server |
| 04:35.28 | MangosDebian | think those are the ones |
| 04:35.44 | hark | simonrvn: ah, yes i see it now |
| 04:35.47 | Assid | err can someone help me with this.. i am mounting a nfs location but it only comes as readonly .... i cant write to it.. i am exporting as rw and mounting as rw |
| 04:35.53 | GhostlyDeath | There any way to intercept ALSA's PCM sound output and record it into a file while still playing sounds out of your speakers? |
| 04:37.19 | hark | GhostlyDeath: try #alsa maybe as well? |
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| 04:37.56 | Assid | hrmm this is weird. i needed no_root_squash to make it work |
| 04:38.11 | coldsteal | MangosDebian: okay back |
| 04:38.21 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: smartd[2053]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure Attribute: 7 Seek_Error_Rate changed from 100 to 200 |
| 04:38.28 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: theres a sample to watch out for |
| 04:38.39 | GhostlyDeath | hark: I can;t get in #alsa because I'm in too many channels |
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| 04:38.43 | MangosDebian | i get to deal with that daily :) |
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| 04:40.06 | coldsteal | MangosDebian: im installing smartmontools |
| 04:40.16 | DebianServerUser | I'm having trouble with samba...I set everything up correctly. when I enter in my ip address and connect to the box, I can connect, but when I try to click the share and it gives me generic windows error " Public is not accessible" wtf? == ALSO i can't see the box under network throught a windows GUI??? HERE is my http://pastebin.ca/596720 |
| 04:40.20 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: k. syslog will hold the errors by default |
| 04:40.47 | coldsteal | MangosDebian: can i pm u |
| 04:40.57 | MangosDebian | no plz |
| 04:41.36 | liable | GhostlyDeath: try the stuff at the bottom of this page http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Saa7134-alsa |
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| 04:41.46 | coldsteal | dam |
| 04:41.47 | coldsteal | lol |
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| 04:43.13 | coldsteal | MangosDebian: okay well i install it and i get http://rafb.net/p/kgvnpc37.html |
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| 04:44.05 | coldsteal | MangosDebian: okay i think i fixed that |
| 04:44.21 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: ya, edit the defaults file for it |
| 04:44.54 | coldsteal | okay now how do i use this |
| 04:45.04 | coldsteal | to see a roport like u pasted |
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| 04:45.59 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: just tail the syslog. if it detects anything it will report there |
| 04:46.24 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: could always try updatedb and stress the hd a bit with bonnie++ or hdparm |
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| 04:49.38 | coldsteal | MangosDebian: it crashed again |
| 04:50.01 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: since you pasted a journaling panic, perhaps try create a ext2 fs and stress test that |
| 04:50.21 | coldsteal | lol this is so anoying |
| 04:50.30 | coldsteal | MangosDebian: pm please? |
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| 04:51.00 | MangosDebian | what do you need to tell me thats so secret that the rest of the channel cant see? |
| 04:51.21 | coldsteal | MangosDebian: ssh? |
| 04:51.42 | Assid | stupid rsync .. i cant kill the process |
| 04:51.45 | stoned | I like mangos |
| 04:51.45 | MangosDebian | why would i need to ssh into your box? |
| 04:51.57 | coldsteal | MangosDebian: to help |
| 04:52.11 | JPQ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.14 | JPQ | lol |
| 04:52.15 | MangosDebian | lol, you mean to watch your box panic and do it for you? :) |
| 04:52.27 | coldsteal | lol to try |
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| 04:52.58 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: go run a mem test. and try stress test a ext2. also, try mount your / as ext2 for the journaling code inst in use |
| 04:53.15 | coldsteal | i can do that? |
| 04:53.25 | coldsteal | so say that a ext3 is a ext2? |
| 04:53.29 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: just beware a panic during use can corrupt stuff, so dont use any files that are important, and run init 1 so minimal stuff is loaded |
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| 04:53.45 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: change it in fstab from ext3 to ext2 |
| 04:54.18 | coldsteal | i didnt know it would do that okat ill try that i need to reboot the box again |
| 04:54.47 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: just be sure to drop down to single user mode either on start, or once you log in so nothing is running hardly |
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| 04:55.12 | coldsteal | ill do it at start with grub |
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| 04:55.56 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: curious, using stock kernel? |
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| 04:58.04 | gumpish | Is there a command for viewing filesystem activity? |
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| 04:59.27 | smtlaissezfaire | gumpish: What do you mean by file system activity? |
| 04:59.33 | MangosDebian | gumpish: you mean like filemon in windows? |
| 05:00.00 | MangosDebian | i mean, see what is doing stuff? |
| 05:00.37 | smtlaissezfaire | Would anyone know if there is any easy way to delete an 'md' raid device, created accidentally by mdadm ? |
| 05:00.40 | gumpish | Right, see which process is reading and writing which files... |
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| 05:01.57 | MangosDebian | gumpish: dont know of any tools of hand, but I think grsecurity is the easiest |
| 05:02.13 | MangosDebian | gumpish: just audit all fs access attempts for / |
| 05:02.43 | Mitja- | Can anyone help me connect cable modem Arris with a laptop through USB? lsusb shows modem manufacturer, but the connection doesn't work. dmesg | tail says no configuration chosen from 1 choice |
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| 05:06.25 | giwe | Anyone knows where to get RTLinuxFree for 2.6 kernels? |
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| 05:11.58 | nsx | any of you know if it's possible to force media keys to generate acpi events that otherwise don't do so? |
| 05:12.44 | MangosDebian | like your sleep button make the pc go to sleep? |
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| 05:12.59 | nsx | I don't have a sleep button |
| 05:13.07 | MangosDebian | that was an example :) |
| 05:13.09 | nsx | I'm thinking more along the lines of my volume button to decrease the volume |
| 05:13.46 | MangosDebian | think thats all mapping related or something. i know my volume dial works in gnome |
| 05:13.59 | smacnay | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.12 | nsx | oh it works fine for me in blackbox, because I've set up bbkeys to work with them |
| 05:14.18 | nsx | but I want it to work always |
| 05:14.20 | nsx | even outside X |
| 05:14.50 | nsx | it'd be nice if I could just handle them with acpi. for some laptops, media keys *do* generate acpi events. for mine, they do not. |
| 05:14.52 | MangosDebian | hmm, not sure about outside X. would need to setup those keys to call a program or something perhaps |
| 05:15.09 | MangosDebian | wish I could help you, just not sure |
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| 05:15.37 | MangosDebian | smacnay: what kinda "gizmo"? it show up as a device? |
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| 05:16.28 | smacnay | MangosDebian: yes, it shows up as a usb disk. |
| 05:16.39 | MangosDebian | smacnay: why cant you just mount it then? |
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| 05:17.03 | Kodomut | HI |
| 05:17.06 | dav7 | hi |
| 05:17.11 | dav7 | :D |
| 05:17.15 | Kodomut | my debian box doesn't get an IP address from the router |
| 05:17.25 | Kodomut | ifconfig doesnt show eth0 |
| 05:17.29 | dav7 | wow. |
| 05:18.00 | smacnay | MangosDebian: It auto mounts in Debian but the volumes are not displayed correctly. |
| 05:18.07 | MangosDebian | Kodomut: then you need to find the module to load for your nic |
| 05:18.12 | dav7 | ah |
| 05:18.25 | kingsley | Can a local package be installed if it depends on other packages that reside in a remote repository? If so, how? |
| 05:18.46 | MangosDebian | smacnay: your using lvm on a usb stick? |
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| 05:19.24 | __david | how do I recover a broken dpkg instance? my computer crashed, and now /var/lib/dpkg is gone |
| 05:19.25 | MangosDebian | smacnay: try a vgscan after its brought up? |
| 05:19.46 | smacnay | MangosDebian: no, the hard drive in question was my main drive... now it is no longer in my old computer and I want to grab some files from it - vgscan - will try |
| 05:20.26 | MangosDebian | smacnay: ahh, your hd is in an usb enclosure? |
| 05:20.36 | kingsley | __david: That looks like it might be a good google research project. |
| 05:21.15 | __david | kingsley: I found scripts to do such a thing, but they needed /var/lib/dpkg/available to do the rebuild. I don't even have this file |
| 05:21.24 | MangosDebian | __david: normally this is where we say: you restore from backups of course :) |
| 05:21.55 | __david | This is a fresh install...I changed 3 files. Netinst for the lose. |
| 05:22.08 | MangosDebian | what erase your /var/lib then? |
| 05:23.14 | __david | A xen instance decided to crash on a random int20 while dpkg was working |
| 05:23.28 | smacnay | MangosDebian: looks like vgscan located the volume group. |
| 05:23.39 | MangosDebian | smacnay: all good then? |
| 05:23.58 | smacnay | yes, but how do I access it? |
| 05:23.59 | __david | MangosDebian: it also took part of a raid array with it, but the array way recoverable--just the root fs was broken |
| 05:24.12 | MangosDebian | smacnay: umm, mount the volume somewhere? :) |
| 05:24.56 | smacnay | ok, it is mounted (the device) already but not the volume. I need to read up on lvm and volume management |
| 05:25.39 | MangosDebian | smacnay: do you know the name of the volmume on the device? it should be /dev/<volumename>/<logical vol name> |
| 05:25.58 | MangosDebian | err /dev/<volume group name>/<logical volume name> |
| 05:26.23 | MangosDebian | vgdisplay -a iirc |
| 05:27.08 | hedos | Where can I find a good source for my apt-get? All those I've tried didn't work. |
| 05:27.13 | hedos | I want one with unstable releases. |
| 05:27.35 | coldsteal | MangosDebian: yes im using a stock kernel |
| 05:27.45 | MangosDebian | hedos: if you dont know how to switch to sid, then you wont like sid much |
| 05:28.01 | hedos | What is sid, MangosDebian? |
| 05:28.07 | hedos | Still in development? |
| 05:28.14 | MangosDebian | hedos: /msg dpkg sid |
| 05:28.37 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: so how did all the tests go? it panic as ext2? memtest? |
| 05:29.03 | hedos | Well, I just want one unstable package in particular. |
| 05:29.12 | coldsteal | it wont mount as ext2 even tho i put it in fstab |
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| 05:29.25 | coldsteal | MangosDebian: im doing a memtest rightnow |
| 05:30.08 | MangosDebian | hmmm |
| 05:30.18 | MangosDebian | hedos: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 05:30.34 | coldsteal | when i type mount it says its mounted as ext3 |
| 05:30.58 | MangosDebian | even with ext2 in fstab? |
| 05:31.19 | coldsteal | MangosDebian: yes |
| 05:31.26 | f00li5h | what is the format for no-ip.conf? it's not documented anywhere |
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| 05:34.08 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: well, i can mount -t ext2 a ext3 here, but boot probably goes by the fs type |
| 05:34.29 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: you might need to drop the journal first for a boot up ext2 mount i guess |
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| 05:37.09 | f00li5h | turns out that no-ip -C will write one for me ;) |
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| 05:39.07 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: tune2fs -O ^has_journal /dev/XXX while its not mounted, then mount as ext2 should work |
| 05:39.35 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: use a boot disk I guess so / isnt mounted |
| 05:40.41 | MangosDebian | coldsteal: file -s /dev/XXX should show ext2 if you did it right |
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| 05:55.24 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 05:55.25 | dpkg | from memory, qotd172 is <abrotman> !maint sex |
| 05:57.03 | hark | sex is wnpp ;) |
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| 05:57.12 | liable | wnpp? |
| 05:57.24 | MangosDebian | !wtf wnpp |
| 05:57.25 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what wnpp means... |
| 05:57.42 | hark | !wnpp |
| 05:57.42 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp. |
| 05:57.42 | liable | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 05:57.42 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
| 05:57.52 | liable | ah |
| 05:58.04 | shingouz | that bot is getting scarier every time i listen to him |
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| 06:04.54 | stoned | yo |
| 06:05.02 | stoned | that bot is the shiznat |
| 06:05.43 | rainabba_ | I just finished a netboot install with no errors, but on reboot I'm only getting a "grub>" prompt. Grub stage 1 isn't loading? |
| 06:06.10 | liable | rainabba_: do you know what drive and partition debian is on? |
| 06:07.31 | rainabba_ | liable: /dev/sda is what's getting booted and has grub. / should be getting mounted on /dev/VG_Raid5/LV_root. That's on md2 which is spanned across 4 drives. |
| 06:07.46 | liable | eww |
| 06:08.10 | liable | lv_root? is that lvm? |
| 06:08.15 | rainabba_ | Yes |
| 06:08.25 | liable | boot is on a non lvm partition? |
| 06:08.40 | rainabba_ | Yes, /boot is on md1, no lvm though |
| 06:09.03 | rainabba_ | I never saw the grub menu though. That's what's throwing me off. |
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| 06:10.30 | liable | try root (hd1,0); setup (md0) |
| 06:11.10 | liable | actually (hd0,0) prolly if its sda |
| 06:11.17 | liable | unless you have ide too? |
| 06:11.36 | rainabba_ | "Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0xfd"; "Error 23: Error while parsing number" |
| 06:12.42 | liable | i havent seen a partiton type in hex that i can remember |
| 06:13.00 | liable | but luckily I dont mess with this stuff often |
| 06:13.28 | cast | FD Linux raid autodetec |
| 06:13.53 | rainabba_ | cast: ? |
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| 06:25.36 | mosno | rainabba_: use fdisk interactive mode to list hex numbers, you can (pretend to change the type of an existant partition, but dont commit the change) |
| 06:28.21 | grendal_prime | hey is it possible to make a tarball that will extract several different files into several different locations? |
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| 06:28.46 | grendal_prime | like an installer app basically...i was under the impression that tar was desigened around this ability? |
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| 06:38.36 | MangosDebian | grendal_prime: depends if you premake the tarball with the dir structure you want ahead of time |
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| 06:39.12 | MangosDebian | grendal_prime: or you could just run multiple un tars to diff dir's picking only the dest dir and files to extract as you see fit |
| 06:39.30 | MangosDebian | its more of a scripting thing than something built into tar |
| 06:41.10 | rahul | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 |
| 06:41.10 | dpkg | 1 |
| 06:41.14 | rahul | heh |
| 06:41.19 | rahul | never understood that |
| 06:42.31 | MangosDebian | what happens when you change the number of !'s and use say 22? |
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| 06:46.17 | shingouz | MangosDebian: dpkg runs over to your place and raids the refrig? |
| 06:46.34 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 06:47.24 | MangosDebian | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 |
| 06:47.25 | dpkg | 1 |
| 06:47.30 | MangosDebian | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!22 |
| 06:47.31 | dpkg | 1 |
| 06:47.43 | MangosDebian | interesting though |
| 06:47.46 | tenzind | !tar |
| 06:47.46 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
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| 06:48.45 | MangosDebian | rahul: probably returning 1 or true as the result of that command or something |
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| 06:49.55 | kamui | I need to make one small change from the debian stock 2.6.21 kernel, how can I go about loading the old configuration using menuconfig of the current running kernel? |
| 06:50.55 | kamui | I just need to disable paravirtualization so nvidia kernel module will build |
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| 06:51.28 | cahoot_ | kamui: the debian config is in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 06:51.31 | level1_ | !fglrx one-liner |
| 06:51.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 06:52.07 | liable | wtf does update-pciids have to do with fglrx? |
| 06:52.25 | level1_ | liable: I don't know, I'm a ubuntu user |
| 06:52.52 | liable | level1_: go harass your ubuntu bot then :P |
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| 06:53.15 | level1_ | liable: Is debian "hard"? I know thats a loaded question, but I'm trying to figure out if can replace ubuntu for me |
| 06:53.22 | level1_ | liable: ubotu? |
| 06:53.42 | liable | yes, i am sure it has most of the factoids dpkg does |
| 06:53.55 | liable | level1_: hard depends on lots of things |
| 06:54.14 | level1_ | okay... |
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| 06:54.50 | level1_ | like, i've been using linux for about 6 months, mostly kubuntu, and I'm dealing with errors a lot... I really want things to "just work" |
| 06:55.22 | liable | etch will be nice and stable, but its not for you if you have snss |
| 06:56.00 | mick_home | i have a bit of an off topic question, i'm forced by my ISP to use their SMTP servers (my email account is w/ a free email service - not my ISP's -- so they don't match). When I email some people I get SPF bounces. How can I stop that from happening? |
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| 06:56.25 | mick_home | it seems like they are 2 incompatible systems to reduce spam |
| 06:56.42 | mick_home | since not everyone uses SPF either |
| 06:56.59 | MangosDebian | reneducate your isp :) |
| 06:57.02 | level1_ | whats snss? |
| 06:57.25 | liable | snss = shiny new shit syndrome :) |
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| 06:57.46 | mick_home | MangosDebian: but don't i need to have them add an SPF record for my originating emaila ddress or something? |
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| 06:57.52 | level1_ | liable: you mean a newer computer? |
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| 06:58.00 | liable | level1_: software |
| 06:58.07 | mick_home | http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/22/1547225 <--- i was reading this and i was reminded how much i hate SPF |
| 06:58.18 | mick_home | i've only seen legit emails bounce |
| 06:58.19 | liable | level1_: etch is great, but everyone seems to whine about how old the software is |
| 06:58.29 | mick_home | and i know i am not the only one |
| 06:58.32 | MangosDebian | mick_home: do you control the dns for the domain for your email? |
| 06:58.48 | mick_home | i don't and can't |
| 06:58.57 | liable | level1_: not so bad now, as it wasnt released too long ago |
| 06:59.00 | MangosDebian | mick_home: then i guess your sol |
| 06:59.16 | mick_home | i use gmx.net (free email service) to receive emails |
| 06:59.23 | mick_home | and to send i use my ISP |
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| 06:59.47 | mick_home | mail.bellsouth.net or smtp.comcast.net (depending on where i am) |
| 06:59.50 | MangosDebian | mick_home: contact gmx or your isp and put them in contact with each other than |
| 06:59.55 | liable | level1_: lenny is generally not to bad for a home desktop machine, but it can have pretty bad bugs at times, but i doubt its much worse than ubuntu if at all. |
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| 07:00.24 | mick_home | MangosDebian: if i am traveling somewhere and they say "you must use our SMTP server" |
| 07:00.32 | level1_ | liable: is lenny etch+1 or etch-1? |
| 07:00.34 | MangosDebian | mick_home: that or politely ask your isp to allow past the firewall directly to gmx.net only port 25 |
| 07:00.35 | liable | level1_: make room and give debian a go. |
| 07:00.51 | level1_ | liable: I'm putting it on a usb drive |
| 07:00.53 | liable | level1_: +1, its currently testing, will be the next stable release |
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| 07:04.13 | mick_home | MangosDebian: thanks for the info, i'll see what i can figure out |
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| 07:15.18 | mosno | what's the deal with utahglx project? is it unsupported in xorg or something? |
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| 07:19.20 | valdyn | mosno: why would you need it? |
| 07:20.15 | mosno | valdyn: their homepage mentions that quake runs on nvidia under utahglx |
| 07:20.43 | mosno | valdyn: afaik noveau either isn't ready, or doesn't support RIVA TNT chip, take your pick |
| 07:20.50 | valdyn | mosno: quake? |
| 07:21.02 | mosno | valdyn: so i'm left with nvidia-legacy package (non-free) |
| 07:21.02 | valdyn | mosno: do you really intend to play 'quake' ? not quake2 or 3 ? |
| 07:21.25 | mosno | valdyn: no, i just figure if it can manage quake 3d then it can do other interesting stuff |
| 07:21.33 | valdyn | mosno: you cant |
| 07:21.35 | mosno | ? |
| 07:21.40 | mosno | so it's shit |
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| 07:21.49 | valdyn | mosno: its old, not shit |
| 07:22.01 | mosno | ok. is it supported in xorg? |
| 07:22.09 | mosno | i'm guessing no |
| 07:22.13 | mosno | they talk about xfree |
| 07:22.33 | mosno | and i dont see it in etch repos |
| 07:22.45 | valdyn | mosno: their nvidia support is probably for nvidia riva cards, 10 years old... |
| 07:23.11 | mosno | valdyn: i figure, but xorg... |
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| 07:23.34 | valdyn | mosno: shouldnt make a difference , xorg is just a name and license |
| 07:24.06 | hairy_potter | what will be the next set of 'code names' for debian, given soon ToyStory characters will run out? :) |
| 07:24.07 | mosno | hrm, status page last modified 2003 -- xorg probably wasn't a player back then |
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| 07:24.15 | valdyn | mosno: its only for xfree 3.3 |
| 07:24.36 | mosno | valdyn: ok. thanks |
| 07:24.39 | hairy_potter | apt: hi :) |
| 07:24.53 | apt | Many greetings, :), most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 07:24.53 | hairy_potter | what happened to apt? :( |
| 07:24.57 | hairy_potter | ah ok |
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| 07:25.24 | valdyn | mosno: the glx that now is in xorg should be based on utah-glx, which was back then a seperate project |
| 07:26.25 | mosno | valdyn: yet nv driver doesn't do 3d |
| 07:26.42 | mosno | maybe nouveau eh |
| 07:26.51 | valdyn | mosno: yea, nv is made by nvidia, explicitely unreadable code and intentionally no 3d |
| 07:27.05 | mosno | hrm i thought it was a community thing |
| 07:27.18 | valdyn | mosno: so it doesnt really get more than bugfixes and support for new hw |
| 07:27.24 | mosno | sucks. |
| 07:27.31 | mosno | i'm running that pos right now |
| 07:27.32 | valdyn | mosno: its free, it can be modified, but its unreadable, far as i know |
| 07:27.49 | mosno | nvidia sure do suck the fatty |
| 07:27.57 | valdyn | mosno: nvidias proprietary driver is fine, mostly |
| 07:28.08 | mosno | i dont get it.. if they supported linux, they'd surely get a stack of revenue globally from GNU/Linux enthusiasts |
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| 07:29.09 | cahoot_ | mosno: last time I looked nvidia didn't have the full rigths to all the code behind its drivers |
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| 07:33.50 | __david | My system is crashing due to an unhandled int20--what does this mean, and how do I fix it? |
| 07:34.04 | valdyn | __david: give us the complete error |
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| 07:34.23 | __david | it hasn't happened this session yet--when it does, i'll type it in |
| 07:34.27 | __maiju_| | __david: can u be a bit more specific |
| 07:34.28 | __david | what does int20 even do? |
| 07:34.36 | __david | i'm running xen-pv domain |
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| 07:34.39 | jzxu | why is glxgears taking 100% cpu even though I'm using the nvidia drivers? |
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| 07:34.53 | __david | the guest gets the graphics card through pci-passthrough |
| 07:34.54 | valdyn | __david: its an interrupt. An interrupt being unhandled _alone_ does not hurt at all |
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| 07:35.29 | valdyn | __david: 'cat /proc/interrupts | grep 20' should tell you the device on it |
| 07:35.52 | __david | thank you! That'll help me a ton w/ debugging |
| 07:36.22 | valdyn | mosno: btw, nvidia is the only working choice for linux 'enthusiasts' needing highend 3D accel already, so that's that.. they might not see much point |
| 07:36.32 | valdyn | mosno: ati drivers are much worse |
| 07:36.51 | __maiju_| | official ati drivers are non existent (almost) |
| 07:40.27 | Scurz | hi |
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| 07:41.19 | Scurz | Can I recover a file deleted via 'rm' ? |
| 07:42.24 | cast | Scurz: name your filesystem! |
| 07:42.24 | __maiju_| | what is ur FS ? |
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| 07:42.34 | Scurz | ext3 |
| 07:42.36 | cast | Scurz: probably, but it might be difficult |
| 07:42.41 | cast | Scurz: what was the file? |
| 07:42.46 | hairy_potter | Scurz: congrats ;) |
| 07:42.53 | Scurz | an archive .tar.gz cast |
| 07:43.01 | cast | Scurz: and as soon as you acidently delete the file stop using the filesystem in rw mode |
| 07:43.16 | cast | Scurz: thats really important, otherwise you might overwrite the file |
| 07:44.04 | Scurz | ok |
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| 07:44.46 | __maiju_| | 'rm'ed files are marked for deletion and the file entry is removed from the file table, it is physically removed after a while ... |
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| 07:45.18 | Scurz | :/ |
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| 07:46.59 | valdyn | Scurz: use a trashbin in the future.. |
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| 07:47.01 | cast | hmm, .tar.gz is tricky. i dunno what you would grep for |
| 07:47.05 | Dabiged | umm hello |
| 07:47.06 | valdyn | Scurz: or just dont use rm |
| 07:47.23 | valdyn | Scurz: rm is stuid anyway |
| 07:47.37 | Scurz | ok |
| 07:47.37 | Dabiged | i need some help with something that you are all going to laugh at |
| 07:47.38 | hairy_potter | Scurz: actually if your file is still being written to by someone else |
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| 07:47.45 | hairy_potter | (say, the program that is generating the .tar.gz) |
| 07:47.51 | Scurz | ok |
| 07:47.53 | hairy_potter | then you can do lsof and grep for your file |
| 07:48.23 | hairy_potter | you can see the 'pid' of the program, then go to /proc/<pid>/ and see the list of open fds. copy it over and voila your file will be back :) |
| 07:48.54 | hairy_potter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:49.01 | Dabiged | i changed my libc version and i need to change it back.... waits for laugh |
| 07:49.27 | Scurz | hairy_potter: It's a backup generated bye me. |
| 07:49.30 | Scurz | -e |
| 07:49.35 | hairy_potter | Scurz: cool :) |
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| 07:50.14 | Dabiged | does anybody know how to downgrade a libc6 version using debs? |
| 07:50.16 | Scurz | so, it's not a program which has generated this archive... |
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| 07:51.43 | cast | Dabiged: afaik apt doesn't do downgrading |
| 07:52.11 | cast | hairy_potter: hey nice idea :) |
| 07:53.05 | shingouz | Dabiged: with dpkg and a *lot* of patience |
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| 07:53.43 | Dabiged | I need to revert my libc6 version to a earlier version and i keep getting an error about "dpkg: error processing libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22_i386.deb (--install): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/zoneinfo/Africa/Algiers', which is also in package tzdata dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)" |
| 07:54.32 | shingouz | Dabiged: you can force dpkg to do things but in that case you are on your own |
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| 07:56.39 | Dabiged | i have tried --force-downgrade |
| 07:57.24 | mosno | this is major tom to nv control... i'm feeling very scared... and i think my driver knows which way to go... |
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| 07:58.24 | shingouz | Dabiged: maybe you can remove tzdata for now but make dpkg keep the dependencies? this is all guessing, keep that in mind. your system may get very seriously borked |
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| 07:58.56 | hairy_potter | man, my wife makes a lot of noise while playing XBox |
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| 07:59.03 | tof_ | hi |
| 07:59.33 | shingouz | hairy_potter: replace it with a sony plaguestation? |
| 07:59.40 | tof_ | i use totem but i can't see wmv file |
| 07:59.43 | ice63 | broken |
| 08:00.05 | tof_ | i have installed w32codecs package |
| 08:00.11 | hairy_potter | shingouz: ps3 sucks, doesn't it? |
| 08:00.20 | hairy_potter | shingouz: besides, its mighty expensive! |
| 08:00.24 | shingouz | hairy_potter: no idea, never tried |
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| 08:01.07 | hairy_potter | I'm just waiting for the warranty period to be over so that I can start hacking around with it. tri-core CPU x 3.2GHz, imagine! :D |
| 08:01.34 | shingouz | hehe.. hairy_potter, you are an evil man |
| 08:02.23 | cast | howis a 360 cheaper than two dual core amd cpus? |
| 08:02.35 | cast | -how |
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| 08:04.35 | hairy_potter | cast: oh yeah, that way, it is not. But its also the gaming fun, isn't it? |
| 08:05.03 | hairy_potter | cast: if I'm to buy a _good_ gaming setup, I will end up spending more or less the same as what I've done for the XBox |
| 08:05.08 | shingouz | hairy_potter: why not confess you bought the xbox just so you can see if you can outhack Largo |
| 08:05.15 | billy | could someone pastebin their sources.list ? mine's a little fubar. thanks |
| 08:05.18 | hairy_potter | shingouz: :D |
| 08:05.35 | cast | billy: http://rafb.net/p/pELLHm71.txt |
| 08:05.35 | billy | for etch, that is. |
| 08:05.48 | billy | thx cast |
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| 08:06.22 | cast | use your own mirrors, though |
| 08:07.08 | billy | they'll do for now. apt-spy segfaulting for anyone else? |
| 08:08.21 | quitte_ | billy: heard that before |
| 08:08.33 | billy | quitte_: not sure I understand you. |
| 08:08.36 | tof_ | can you read MSS2 codec ? |
| 08:08.55 | billy | no. |
| 08:09.00 | quitte_ | billy: it doesn'T happen here. but someone else already had that poblem |
| 08:09.15 | billy | ah. i see. |
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| 08:13.12 | __david | after i've ran my computer about 20 minutes without touching it, an int20 occurs that kills the system, halting the virtual machine the interrup occured in as well as the host. This is very bad for me. The irq is bound to uhci_hcd:usb4 |
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| 08:14.01 | __david | usb bus 4 has has nothing connected to it, according to lsusb |
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| 08:20.27 | g00se | Always get confused by Exim term 'smarthost'. If my ISP is the host *actually* sending the mail, is that the smarthost or is the localhost 'smart' because it's delegating the job to the ISP? |
| 08:21.11 | simonrvn | the former, because it's the one actually doing the work |
| 08:21.44 | simonrvn | your localhost is just acting like a forwarder. nothing smart about that |
| 08:21.57 | Internat | think of it as ur local computer is dumb and doesnt know how to do anythin with it |
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| 08:24.14 | simonrvn | s,acting like,acting as, |
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| 08:26.32 | edistar | good morning |
| 08:27.11 | tof_ | edistar hi |
| 08:27.58 | g00se | simonrvn: thanks - so when they ask about the smarthost address, i put in the ISP's address? |
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| 08:28.08 | simonrvn | yes |
| 08:28.14 | edistar | my gui update manager is broken btw... apt-get still works though, anyone have the same problems? |
| 08:28.33 | simonrvn | !anyone |
| 08:28.33 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 08:28.41 | g00se | simonrvn: Thanks |
| 08:28.46 | simonrvn | np |
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| 08:28.59 | edistar | simonrvn: I was asking if it is a bug maybe |
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| 08:29.35 | cahoot | edistar, someone else reported issues with that on oftc |
| 08:30.03 | simonrvn | what "gui update manager"? that gnome applet? |
| 08:30.22 | simonrvn | (which ultimately runs synpatic) |
| 08:30.22 | edistar | cahoot: thanks |
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| 08:30.29 | simonrvn | synaptic* |
| 08:30.39 | edistar | simonrvn: I think so, yes |
| 08:30.39 | tof_ | an idea for codec windows for totem (MSS2) |
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| 08:31.05 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 08:31.17 | edistar | but synaptic runs fine |
| 08:31.32 | edistar | tof_: vlc ;) |
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| 08:31.47 | cahoot | edistar, silently dies after the auth? |
| 08:31.52 | tof_ | edistar there are the same |
| 08:32.14 | quitte_ | tof_: debian-multimedia doesn't include it? |
| 08:32.32 | tof_ | quitte_ i use etch |
| 08:32.57 | tof_ | quitte_ deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ etch main |
| 08:33.39 | tof_ | [00000288] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `MSS2'. |
| 08:33.59 | quitte_ | tof_: right. and it'S not in the w32codecs package? |
| 08:34.13 | tof_ | quitte_ i installed it, but nothing :o( |
| 08:34.26 | simonrvn | i don't think w32codecs will work with totem |
| 08:34.43 | tof_ | simonrvn how configure totem to that ? |
| 08:34.59 | simonrvn | i don't think w32codecs will work with totem |
| 08:35.09 | quitte_ | tof_: a quick google indicates that mplayer supports that codec |
| 08:35.22 | tof_ | quitte_ ok, i must install mplayer |
| 08:35.26 | simonrvn | you could *try*, would have to symlink them to toem's plugin dir or whatever it has |
| 08:35.41 | simonrvn | yes, mplayer runs them |
| 08:36.07 | tof_ | simonrvn i see, but where totem can find this codec ? |
| 08:36.24 | simonrvn | i'm not repeating myself again ;) |
| 08:36.30 | tof_ | quitte_ yes, mplayer run well with this codec :) |
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| 08:37.49 | tof_ | simonrvn excuse me, but i don't undestand |
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| 08:38.39 | simonrvn | frankly, don't bother, just run your video or whatever it is with mplayer |
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| 08:39.30 | tof_ | simonrvn ok ok |
| 08:40.23 | tof_ | with totem i can see movie with no sound, and listen music with rythm, but with mplayer, the canal sound is the same as both |
| 08:40.27 | simonrvn | it'll be easier... but if you want, as a mini project, find out if totem supports plugins, if so, make a set of symlinks of the codec to totem's plugin directory, or something |
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| 08:41.46 | tof_ | simonrvn yes, i know what you say, but, i can't find any documentation of totem to find where totem use this codec, and where there is the configure file |
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| 08:42.15 | chosig | i saw a job opening that requires a "BS in CS", since I'm not english... what on earth does CS stand for? Computer Science? |
| 08:42.16 | tof_ | simonrvn i search on net, but nothing, and with man, there no information |
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| 08:43.15 | simonrvn | chosig: yeh |
| 08:43.26 | chosig | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 08:44.08 | tof_ | simonrvn i try strace to totem, but nothing |
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| 08:45.43 | unixoide | Hi all , I'm trying to stream jpg or png file on UDP protocol. Anyone has idea about syntaxe and specially --sout '......' ? |
| 08:45.46 | unixoide | thx for help |
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| 08:48.53 | cast_ | unixoide: why? |
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| 08:49.40 | cast_ | unixoide: tar c *png|cstream -SOMETHING| nc -u host port will do me thinks |
| 08:49.41 | unixoide | cast, I wana use it to stream images collected from IP camera |
| 08:49.57 | mosno | interesting... http://blogs.sun.com/josephgeorge/entry/opensolaris_under_gplv3 |
| 08:50.01 | cast_ | ahh. |
| 08:50.04 | unixoide | cast, can u explain more plz |
| 08:51.03 | unixoide | cast, I dont understand ur replay can u explain more plz |
| 08:52.49 | cast | is eweek reliable? |
| 08:53.01 | cast | unixoide: oh, i do not know anything about ip cameras. |
| 08:53.51 | unixoide | Dont warry I wana just use temporary img in the cache of IP camera |
| 08:54.05 | unixoide | like an image from web server |
| 08:55.05 | unixoide | cast, if u have any idea about streaming of png or jpg files, I will be graceful |
| 08:55.21 | cahoot | unixoide, looked at 'motion' ? |
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| 08:55.52 | unixoide | cahoot, forget IP camera |
| 08:56.04 | unixoide | I wanna just stream images |
| 08:56.12 | unixoide | is it possible with VLC ! |
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| 08:56.43 | tobi1canobe | hello, how can I extract the contents of a .deb package? (I'm trying to install a ubuntu kernel on fedora) |
| 08:57.01 | cahoot | ar + tar |
| 08:57.15 | cast | mc will read .deb, too |
| 08:57.17 | tobi1canobe | cahoot, is that for me? |
| 08:57.25 | cast | tobi1canobe: are you sue you should be doing that? |
| 08:58.08 | tobi1canobe | cast it's been rumored thtat the laptop I'm using was stable when it had ubuntu on it. With fedora it sucks atm |
| 08:58.43 | cahoot | sucks? |
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| 08:59.25 | tobi1canobe | it freezes. I think it's overheating, but want to try the ubuntu kernel anyhow (the vanilla kernel is worse than the fedora one) |
| 09:04.59 | g00se | Thought that aptitude (recently got into using it) purge xx would also remove all config files for xx. It doesn't. What would? |
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| 09:05.30 | valdyn | g00se: it does, you're just purging the wrong package |
| 09:05.42 | valdyn | g00se: dpkg -S /path/to/configfile |
| 09:05.43 | g00se | Ah it's exim4-confg |
| 09:05.50 | g00se | (?) |
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| 09:17.02 | dworkin | i have a nfs directory which i want to export in a way that all files written to it will have 777 permissions (regardless of user's umask). is it possible? |
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| 09:22.21 | simonrvn | even if it were, i'd try hard to dissuade you from doing something so foolish |
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| 09:23.56 | dworkin | simonrvn, i am aware of all implications. it is what i need. |
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| 09:28.58 | ringo999 | hi. i have a winbox and would like to install debian on a seperate partition. Thought about using gparted creating a new partition (reduzing the others). Is this the right way to do it? Will Grub show the windows partition automatically? |
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| 09:29.10 | gD|Lukemob | Hey, is there any way how to get removed all the programmes I already installed? |
| 09:29.16 | ringo999 | will i be able to acces the other winbox partitions from debian? |
| 09:29.21 | Anoninon | ringo999: yes |
| 09:29.38 | ringo999 | Anoninon: to all of my questions? |
| 09:30.09 | ringo999 | Anoninon: how big should i make the debian partition, is 10GB enough? |
| 09:30.32 | Anoninon | ringo999: I just installed debian on a drive with a ntfs partition. Grub setup everything properly. I'm also able to access my ntfs drive. |
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| 09:30.53 | Anoninon | ringo999: I'm not sure |
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| 09:31.09 | ringo999 | Anoninon: and no data lost of the ntfs partition? |
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| 09:31.29 | ringo999 | or you had free space in the first place? |
| 09:31.43 | yetifoot | ringo999 the way you say sounds fine, if you can give more than 10gb thats good, but i only actually use about 8 and i have lots of stuff installed, and files there. The only thing i would say is backup, backup, backup, because even those of use who've partioned so mnay drives we can't remember still make a mistake sometimes |
| 09:31.51 | wols_ | Anoninon: you cannot install debian to ntfs. not possible |
| 09:31.56 | Anoninon | ringo999: I didn't resize the NTFS partition, the linux partitions already existed. I forgot when I set that up |
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| 09:32.03 | Anoninon | wols_: I wasn't trying to claim it was. |
| 09:32.16 | cast | wols_: not possible or just not painless? |
| 09:32.22 | wols_ | cast: not possible |
| 09:32.31 | wols_ | Anoninon: then I misread you |
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| 09:32.42 | gD|Lukemob | Anyone know an answer on my question? :) |
| 09:32.48 | wols_ | cast: only way to access ntfs is fuse, which is why debian can't use it as / |
| 09:32.49 | Anoninon | The drive I installed on contains a ntfs partion, it also has three linux partitions. |
| 09:32.55 | g00se | ringo999: You might find it easier - possibly safer - to use a live CD first to do the prep |
| 09:33.09 | Anoninon | ringo999: make sure to defrag the windows drive before resizing it |
| 09:33.09 | yetifoot | gD|Lukemob, you could look at dpkg -l to get a list of what you have installed |
| 09:33.18 | ringo999 | g00se: live CD? you mean gparted live cd? |
| 09:33.28 | wols_ | gD|Lukemob: you neec to ask a more precise question: delete the debian partition and yes all programs are removed... |
| 09:33.31 | ringo999 | Anoninon: ok |
| 09:33.33 | wols_ | but I doubt you wanted to hear that |
| 09:33.49 | wols_ | ringo999: go to the gparted site and download their live CD |
| 09:33.55 | wols_ | or use knoppix or a similar one |
| 09:34.00 | gD|Lukemob | wols_, isn't there a way how to get the system in after-install status? |
| 09:34.01 | ringo999 | wols_: yeah, i have alreay burned the cd |
| 09:34.02 | maxamillion | ringo999: any live cd that has gparted (or other partition tools) should suffice, but yes ... the gparted live cd will do fine |
| 09:34.02 | g00se | Maybe. Haven't used that one. Any should do. qtparted could be nicer |
| 09:34.08 | ringo999 | wols_: now all i need is a debian cd |
| 09:34.16 | ringo999 | and a backup of the windows part |
| 09:34.17 | wols_ | gD|Lukemob: define "after install status". with ore without tasksel |
| 09:34.25 | maxamillion | ringo999: www.debian.org <---enjoy :) |
| 09:34.26 | yetifoot | gD|Lukemob, is what you want to do basically roll back to how it was at first install? |
| 09:34.39 | ringo999 | maxamillion: yeah :-) |
| 09:34.51 | edistar | isn't the gparted live cd a bit behind? I noticed that it had an older version of gparted and didn't recognize my software raid once. |
| 09:35.10 | ringo999 | i've been running debian using virtualbox.org under wbox, but i'm tired of that, I want the "real" one... |
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| 09:35.49 | maxamillion | ringo999: its a wonderful place to be |
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| 09:36.35 | ringo999 | well, i'm going to give it a try, hopefully it will work...looking forward to those times... |
| 09:36.41 | ringo999 | so tired of wbox! |
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| 09:37.05 | ringo999 | (its my work computer) im forced to used it...(slavery) |
| 09:37.11 | Zyroth | using 'local: $ ssh server export' gives me different environment variables then 'server: $export'. Specifically, the first does not use my .bashrc. How can I make it use it? |
| 09:38.23 | gD|Lukemob | yetifoot, yes, right. No programmes and no tasks... just how it was after install... |
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| 09:38.58 | wols_ | gD|Lukemob: eaierst would be to reinstall. but why'd you want this? |
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| 09:39.22 | wols_ | gD|Lukemob: all thingas dpkg installd are loged in /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 09:40.33 | sanelson_ | other than fsck, is there a tool suitable for diagnosing whether there are hardware problems with an ide disk? |
| 09:41.03 | wols_ | sanelson_: smartmontools |
| 09:41.13 | wols_ | fsck isn't diagnosing the disk, it'S diagnosing the filesystem |
| 09:41.22 | keyn | sanelson_: hdparm |
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| 09:41.44 | wols_ | keyn: how does this diagnose disk problems? |
| 09:41.47 | sanelson_ | yes, i wondered about hdparm |
| 09:41.56 | sanelson_ | how can that diagnose/ |
| 09:42.04 | keyn | wols_: it can check transfer speeds |
| 09:42.16 | wols_ | that is not the disk. more like the controller settings |
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| 09:42.34 | wols_ | sanelson_: have you tied smartmontools? |
| 09:42.38 | keyn | well it's still pretty useful |
| 09:42.45 | wols_ | *tried |
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| 09:43.49 | Halleck | Does anyone know if it's possible to load an old debian release on an 80386 with.. ~4 mb RAM? just for kicks :D |
| 09:44.07 | sanelson_ | wols_: yes - the device does not support SMART |
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| 09:44.37 | wols_ | sanelson_: I do not believe you |
| 09:44.42 | wols_ | unless you have a disk from ca. 1990 |
| 09:45.07 | wols_ | Halleck: some potato or slick I guess |
| 09:45.15 | wols_ | even then it will swap horribly :) |
| 09:45.27 | wols_ | sanelson_: what disk is it? |
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| 09:46.29 | wols_ | sanelson_: oh yes, usb disks too. the IDE over usb protocol won't allow smart. stupid gits |
| 09:46.40 | GhostlyDeath_ | oo 2.18 is nice |
| 09:47.09 | lymeca | What happened to the Xen kernel in sid? |
| 09:47.33 | cast | lymeca: it got stuck to the chicken? |
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| 09:49.06 | sanelson_ | # smartctl --all /dev/sda | grep SMART |
| 09:49.07 | sanelson_ | Device does not support SMART |
| 09:49.13 | sanelson_ | yes - it is an old disk |
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| 09:49.36 | GhostlyDeath_ | How do I make it so i ONLY connect to my secure wireless network? |
| 09:49.45 | GhostlyDeath_ | err |
| 09:49.55 | GhostlyDeath_ | for my wireless - I use GNOME's network manager |
| 09:49.59 | gD|Lukemob | Guys |
| 09:50.06 | gD|Lukemob | Please have a look at this: |
| 09:50.13 | gD|Lukemob | http://gamesdesign.org/phpmyadmin |
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| 09:50.18 | gD|Lukemob | Where should be a prob? |
| 09:50.19 | hark | if it's secure, only you will ;) |
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| 09:50.33 | SoulChild | Why is VLC not in testing packages list anymore ??? |
| 09:50.42 | SoulChild | I mean the VideoLan Player |
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| 09:50.47 | GhostlyDeath_ | Not downloading anything gD|Lukemob |
| 09:51.18 | gD|Lukemob | It has to view a php file, not let you download a thing. |
| 09:51.28 | hark | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 09:51.28 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 09:51.40 | gD|Lukemob | Don't you know, where should be a prob? |
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| 09:51.59 | wols_ | !info vlc lenny |
| 09:52.25 | hark | !+info vlc lenny |
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| 09:52.27 | dpkg | Package 'vlc' does not exist. |
| 09:52.29 | rhalff | what's that utility named, that converts windows line breaks to unix, unix.. something |
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| 09:53.05 | keyn | rhalff: dos2unix |
| 09:53.28 | rhalff | ah great |
| 09:53.30 | rhalff | thanks |
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| 09:54.33 | SoulChild | ABout VideoLan Player: SO what does that mean now ,... how do i install it ,... is it going to be added soon ? |
| 09:54.40 | unixoide | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.14 | SoulChild | VLC is still here http://packages.debian.org/testing/graphics/vlc |
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| 09:56.33 | liable | !whis is vlc not in testing? |
| 09:56.34 | dpkg | liable: okay |
| 09:56.41 | liable | !why is is vlc not in testing? |
| 09:56.41 | dpkg | is vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=is vlc |
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| 09:56.56 | liable | dpkg: forget whis |
| 09:56.56 | dpkg | liable: i forgot whis |
| 09:56.56 | hark | SoulChild: http://packages.qa.debian.org/v/vlc/news/20070629T223919Z.html |
| 09:57.30 | GhostlyDeath_ | I'm going to compile libsdl_mixer from source, should I uninstall the package or just make install over it? |
| 09:58.49 | SoulChild | There is "main","contrib","non-free" and what else ? |
| 09:59.01 | GhostlyDeath_ | SoulChild: source? |
| 09:59.15 | edistar | GhostlyDeath_: I would uninstall |
| 09:59.17 | SoulChild | GhostlyDeath_: ahh ok, i don't need that,... anything else ? |
| 09:59.33 | GhostlyDeath_ | SoulChild: dunno |
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| 09:59.59 | GhostlyDeath_ | edistar: problems, some packages depend on the mixer |
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| 10:00.35 | GhostlyDeath_ | should I lock what depends on it? |
| 10:00.39 | edistar | GhostlyDeath_: then try compiling, but look out that you have to link everything properly |
| 10:01.12 | GhostlyDeath_ | nope heh |
| 10:02.03 | GhostlyDeath_ | edistar: there libsdl_mixer 1.2.7 or higher in lenny or sid? |
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| 10:03.51 | edistar | GhostlyDeath_: no, 1.2.6 |
| 10:03.56 | edistar | in lenny |
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| 10:04.49 | GhostlyDeath_ | guess I should compile then |
| 10:04.58 | SoulChild | is there a good tutorial on using sources and how to compile and instal ,... i want to learn it (anyway i have 6 years experence in Delphi/Pascal) ,... |
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| 10:05.41 | SoulChild | Just need the basics where to find the source, what is needed to edit/compile and how to install the package |
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| 10:05.56 | wols_ | hehe |
| 10:06.01 | wols_ | "just the basics". good one |
| 10:06.33 | SoulChild | wols_: yes ^^ or is it more complicated? |
| 10:07.08 | wols_ | nah,not at all, don't worry. you be fine |
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| 10:08.16 | eifzon | how do i open a iso file? in kde |
| 10:08.36 | cast | eifzon: you google for mounting iso files in linux |
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| 10:08.48 | SoulChild | eifzon: look for an packagemanager that can handle iso files ,... maybe Ark in KDE but i dunno, not using KDE. |
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| 10:09.02 | SoulChild | eifzon: *packagesmanger=Zip Programm |
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| 10:16.13 | Greyscale | BUUUUUUUUUU |
| 10:16.18 | Greyscale | *zzz* |
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| 10:19.00 | limcore | hello, is it possible to install a debian using fast-clone method? |
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| 10:19.18 | cast | what is fast-clone method? |
| 10:19.20 | limcore | like download a small .tar unpack it to target harddrive and done? |
| 10:19.26 | cast | sure |
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| 10:19.33 | limcore | where can I get this tar? |
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| 10:20.30 | ktwilight_ | just type tra |
| 10:20.30 | ktwilight_ | tar |
| 10:20.30 | limcore | (just unpack it - to a mounted harddrive - not boot from CD) |
| 10:20.30 | cast | there is a basedebs.tar that debootstrap can use, but i'm not sure how complete that is, why don't you tarball up an existing install configured how you wish? |
| 10:20.38 | limcore | ktwilight_: you are so funny, thanks |
| 10:20.49 | liable | !debian clone |
| 10:20.49 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 10:21.00 | liable | meh |
| 10:21.06 | ktwilight_ | :) |
| 10:21.16 | mosno | is it just me, or out of (xterm, aterm, and Eterm), only Eterm (on a basic Debian Etch with Xorg and Sawfish) handles readline's ALT-F style keybindings properly? |
| 10:21.22 | limcore | liable: actually I wanted to have a clone of the minimal debian installation and apt-get the rest |
| 10:21.31 | cast | !basedebs |
| 10:21.31 | dpkg | [basedebs.tgz] non-existant, except unofficially (woody) (as of 09-16-01) |
| 10:21.40 | limcore | this computer doesnt have floppy nor cd working nor usb |
| 10:21.45 | cast | hmm, woops. seems i'm out of date by 6 years. |
| 10:21.48 | mosno | xterm prints bizarre latin chars when i try and do forward-word in bash, eg. |
| 10:22.01 | mosno | so does aterm |
| 10:22.45 | limcore | what is the other way, to make a clone NOT of my machine but of minimal debian install? |
| 10:23.54 | jmd | Whenever I start iceweasel it gives me an annoying (and untruthful) dialog box saying "Your last Iceweasel session closed unexpectedly....". How do I stop that hapenning? |
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| 10:35.20 | martiinez | hello |
| 10:35.39 | rainabba_ | I just finished a netboot install with no errors, but on reboot I'm only getting a "grub>" prompt. Grub stage 1 isn't loading? I'm never even seeing the menu. When I run the rescue mode, I can mount all the filesystems fine and I don't see anything wrong with the mounted contents of /boot... |
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| 10:43.05 | martiinez | rainabba_ : 1. You should boot your system with CD linux kernel image + root=(partition) parametr and check grub configuration |
| 10:43.17 | wols_ | rainabba_: menu.lst is wrong or not existing I guess |
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| 10:45.00 | liable | rainabba_: using an etch installer or a new lenny one? |
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| 10:46.21 | Firefalcon | Hi, I've got a problem with a persistent attacker trying to use my server as a spam relay. Unfortunately they appear to be using a distributed approach, so manually blocking IPs isn't practical. I'm trying to write a script to pick out the IP addresses from the logs, but I'll not good at scripted filtering. Could anyone give me a hand? |
| 10:47.10 | Gathond | Firefalcon: are you actually relaying mail from unknown addresses? |
| 10:47.37 | Firefalcon | Gathond - No, but they are filling my logs |
| 10:47.39 | Gathond | Firefalcon: because then I would just suggest disabling that |
| 10:47.54 | Firefalcon | Gathond - 2400+ attempts today |
| 10:47.58 | Gathond | Firefalcon: I would not bother in that case |
| 10:48.24 | Gathond | I suppose you might be able to get your smtpd to ignore more than x attempts |
| 10:48.34 | Gathond | but I'm not sure how |
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| 10:48.50 | Firefalcon | Gathond - I'm using Exim - any pointers? |
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| 10:49.10 | Firefalcon | Gathond - oops just saw our other msg :-) |
| 10:49.14 | Gathond | Firefalcon: no, never managed to get exim to work:) |
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| 10:49.32 | Firefalcon | Gathond - Ok, thank you :-) |
| 10:50.03 | liable | !fail2ban |
| 10:50.03 | dpkg | fail2ban is a small python program that runs rules when people fail to logon after a certain number of tries. By default it works with ssh and iptunnel, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using. |
| 10:50.24 | liable | should cover relay attempts |
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| 10:50.25 | Gathond | there might be support for it in fail2ban, although I think its mostly about user auth on the box, not smtp relays |
| 10:50.35 | Gathond | ok, so I'm wrong:) |
| 10:50.44 | martiinez | Firefalcon : You're logging mail events by syslog or mail daemon? |
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| 10:50.49 | Firefalcon | Liable - I've tried to set up pam_abl (auto blacklist), but it's not working for courier-authdaemon |
| 10:51.07 | Thursley | Hi, I am using a nvidia geforece 6150 video card. I installed the non free driver with debian binaries via apt. This worked fine for a while, but google earth needed a newer driver. So I downloaded the driver in binary from nvidia's site. Install worked, and edit my xorg conf. The problem is that when I reboot my X won't start until I reinstall the nvidia driver, anyone know why this could happen? |
| 10:51.14 | Firefalcon | martiinez - The default - I think syslog |
| 10:51.23 | Firefalcon | martiinez - Running Debian Sarge |
| 10:52.06 | martiinez | syslog can drop reapeated lines |
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| 10:52.21 | rainabba_ | martiinez: Sorry for lag. Don't know how I'd do that w/o the grub menu. |
| 10:52.52 | Firefalcon | martiinez - it is, but there's still quite a few. I'd rather block them as they appear to be trying to auth as root... |
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| 10:52.55 | rainabba_ | wols_: In rescue I can mount /dev/md0 to /boot and I do see /boot/grub/menu.lst, but I don't see /boot/grub/device.map |
| 10:53.17 | rainabba_ | liable: Etch installer afaik |
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| 10:54.14 | amon__ | Where can I find a manual on how to add users to the sudoers file, anyone have a link to one? |
| 10:54.39 | liable | rainabba_: k, just someone had a problem with grub earlier and i was wondering if there was a link |
| 10:54.43 | Firefalcon | Tailed from Exim mainlog: |
| 10:54.43 | Firefalcon | 2007-06-30 11:55:38 plain_courier_authdaemon authenticator failed for (ZHENKEYAO) [61.37.57.2]: 535 Incorrect authentication data (set_id=root) |
| 10:54.43 | Firefalcon | 2007-06-30 11:55:57 plain_courier_authdaemon authenticator failed for (sudu-r2qvb4sioe) [68.149.34.44]: 535 Incorrect authentication data (set_id=root) |
| 10:54.43 | Firefalcon | 2007-06-30 11:56:04 plain_courier_authdaemon authenticator failed for dsl51b610ee.pool.t-online.hu (ZHENKEYAO) [81.182.16.238]: 535 Incorrect authentication data (set_id=root) |
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| 10:55.27 | Firefalcon | oops - sorry - got auto kicked |
| 10:55.55 | Firefalcon | apologies for the excessive lines - were meant to be one message |
| 10:57.08 | Thursley | !tell amon__ about sudo |
| 10:57.15 | Firefalcon | amon - try this http://www.gratisoft.us/sudo/man/sudoers.html |
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| 11:01.16 | amon__ | thanks for the help :o) |
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| 11:02.17 | rainabba_ | Any other tips? I'm completely lost and this is totally ironic. I'm trying to setup a linux desktop because I'm sick of Windows install bs, but now linux is giving me just as much crap. |
| 11:03.26 | rainabba_ | I'm at the grub prompt and tried "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-xen-686 root=/dev/VG_Raid5/LV_root" and I get "Error 13: Invalid or unsupported executable format" |
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| 11:03.33 | rainabba_ | Am I even on the right path? |
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| 11:04.25 | cast | rainabba_: don't you need to be booting the xen hypervisor, and passing linux to it as a module? |
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| 11:05.12 | rainabba_ | I dunno. Thought the point of the installer was to take care of all that |
| 11:05.34 | rainabba_ | Tell me that Xen is causing me these headaches.... |
| 11:05.41 | cast | the installer doesn't install the xen kernel AFAIK |
| 11:05.47 | rainabba_ | It was an option |
| 11:05.54 | rainabba_ | Quite a few actually |
| 11:06.31 | cast | really, this is the stable netinst install? |
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| 11:07.44 | rainabba_ | ?? http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz |
| 11:08.03 | rainabba_ | I'm using PXE boot if that's not implied here |
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| 11:08.37 | cast | ohh, netboot != netinst. my bad :). i don't know what that means so am probably not much help. |
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| 11:09.14 | rainabba_ | Essentialy the same. Difference is that I boot via PXE instead of CDROM. From there the options should be the same. |
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| 11:09.53 | cast | http://www.option-c.com/xwiki/Xen_Debian_Quick_Start#The_.22unofficial.22_Xen_Debian_Packages_.28for_Xen_Stable_version_2.0.7.29 thats what your grub entry should look like if you're trying to boot into xen |
| 11:10.02 | cast | but, i suggest you get a normal kernel working first |
| 11:10.41 | rainabba_ | cast: I'm agreeing but I've already wasted two days of my life trying that in recent history. XenSource is great, but Xen OpenSource is a freakin PITA so far. :( |
| 11:10.47 | rainabba_ | I'll go read that link, ty. |
| 11:10.55 | wols_ | rainabba_: why do you have /boot inside the raid? |
| 11:11.57 | rainabba_ | Why not? :) It's Raid1 and if I only put boot on 1 disk, I'd be wasting the space on the other 3. This way if disk dies and I need to reboot, I can boot another disk and life goes on. |
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| 11:13.34 | wols_ | raid 1 with 3 spares? |
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| 11:14.33 | war | wols_: hey ya. |
| 11:14.35 | war | wols_: btw |
| 11:14.40 | war | wols_: over the past week I tweaked my raid |
| 11:14.45 | rainabba_ | No, raid 1 across 4 drives. That way all 4 are identical constantly |
| 11:14.58 | war | 10737418240 bytes (11 GB) copied, 23.1476 seconds, 464 MB/s (write) |
| 11:15.01 | war | 10737418240 bytes (11 GB) copied, 17.1347 seconds, 627 MB/s (read) |
| 11:15.04 | rainabba_ | war: Software Raid? Tweaked? |
| 11:15.05 | war | sw raid5 |
| 11:15.06 | war | yep |
| 11:15.07 | rainabba_ | Nice stats |
| 11:15.18 | rainabba_ | What's your config ? |
| 11:15.28 | cast | rainabba_: how is that not 3 spares? |
| 11:15.35 | war | rainabba_: 10 raptor 150s |
| 11:15.44 | war | rainabba_: and raid1 dual raptor 150 for root |
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| 11:15.47 | war | rainabba_: I don't touch LVM though |
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| 11:15.52 | war | rainabba_: that incurs a nasty perf hit. |
| 11:15.55 | rainabba_ | cast: It's just not. spares are explicitly declared. |
| 11:16.11 | rainabba_ | war: Damn :) |
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| 11:16.26 | busfahrer | rainabba_: What else? Motherboard? Controller? CPU? |
| 11:16.28 | rainabba_ | war: I keep hearing that, but I can't find any supporting evidence. |
| 11:16.33 | cast | rainabba_: well, 3 redundant drives. i don't know how raid terminology works |
| 11:16.37 | war | rainabba_: there's benchmarks if you search around |
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| 11:16.47 | war | cast: you can use raid1 with 10 drives if you want |
| 11:16.47 | rainabba_ | war: I have |
| 11:16.52 | eifzon | how can i fix this: timestamp too far in the future: Jul 1 12:55:19 2007 ? |
| 11:17.06 | rainabba_ | Spares are called in ONLY when a drive fails. |
| 11:17.06 | war | eifzon: ntpdate time.nist.gov |
| 11:17.18 | rainabba_ | My config will keep 4 copies at all times |
| 11:17.26 | eifzon | war: command not foudn |
| 11:17.31 | war | eifzon: then install it |
| 11:17.34 | war | apt-get |
| 11:17.37 | rainabba_ | busfahrer: My hardware? |
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| 11:17.47 | busfahrer | eifzon: If 'date' shows your correct timezone and time, just wait for the problem to solve itself. |
| 11:17.56 | cast | rainabba_: i get ya. so what is the reason for having such a high level of redundancy? |
| 11:17.58 | war | rainabba_: how many hdd do you use? |
| 11:18.01 | war | rainabba_: what hw/sw raid card? |
| 11:18.06 | busfahrer | rainabba_: Yeah, I'd be interested in what setup yields that kind of performance. I mean there is more to it than just the disks. |
| 11:18.09 | war | rainabba_: btw I completely understand 3 disks |
| 11:18.17 | war | rainabba_: because I assume you raid1 the first 3 for boot/root whatever |
| 11:18.21 | war | rainabba_: and then raid5 the other partitions |
| 11:18.55 | rainabba_ | busfaherer: Those weren't my stats. I'm not even running :) That was war |
| 11:19.11 | busfahrer | Oops. |
| 11:19.11 | eifzon | busfahrer: Sat Jun 30 15:19:04 CEST 2007 |
| 11:19.13 | war | busfahrer: hi |
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| 11:19.21 | busfahrer | war: What other stuff is in that box? |
| 11:19.23 | eifzon | busfahrer: think its wrong |
| 11:19.25 | war | busfahrer: 10 raptors on $19.99 pci-e cards |
| 11:19.30 | rainabba_ | war: 4 drives, but yah. Raid1 over 4 for boot. Raid0 over 4 for swap. Raid5 over 4 for / |
| 11:19.31 | war | busfahrer: and 6 on the 965 chipset |
| 11:19.38 | war | rainabba_: ah |
| 11:19.39 | busfahrer | what CPU? |
| 11:19.41 | war | rainabba_: raid0 over swap is a bad idea |
| 11:19.47 | war | busfahrer: e6300 cheapest one |
| 11:19.52 | busfahrer | eifzon: I don't know what time and timezone is correct for you |
| 11:19.52 | war | busfahrer: but recently I upgraded to q6600 |
| 11:20.29 | busfahrer | nice |
| 11:20.30 | granden | I got a WLAN problem, my Wlan worked great yesterday, with debian etch, I got a IPW-2100 card. And today when booting It cant find the WLAN at all. |
| 11:20.37 | rainabba_ | war: go raid5 there too then? |
| 11:20.39 | granden | I try to scan for it with iwlist eth1 scan |
| 11:20.41 | granden | But no results |
| 11:20.46 | war | rainabba_: nope |
| 11:20.48 | war | rainabba_: RAID1 |
| 11:20.51 | granden | I got a little hand held device tha finds it great |
| 11:21.07 | war | rainabba_: swap is accessed a lot , raid5 is not good for small read/write |
| 11:21.12 | war | rainabba_: raid0 is stupid because |
| 11:21.15 | war | rainabba_: if you have a drive failure |
| 11:21.18 | rainabba_ | war: I know |
| 11:21.20 | war | rainabba_: everything in swap will get corrupted |
| 11:21.26 | war | rainabba_: and crash your machine most likely |
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| 11:21.31 | war | rainabba_: btw what type of hdd do you use? |
| 11:21.34 | war | rainabba_: what type of raid card? |
| 11:21.36 | war | rainabba_: what mobo? |
| 11:21.56 | rainabba_ | Seagate 7200.10 (SATA300, 16MB cache, 300GB) |
| 11:22.20 | rainabba_ | Not using raid card, using sw raid. Gigabyte DQ6 965 chipset |
| 11:22.28 | war | DQ6 board, very sexy. |
| 11:22.31 | war | I have a question for YOU!! |
| 11:22.38 | war | did you try using those purple ports? |
| 11:22.39 | war | in Linux? |
| 11:22.51 | rainabba_ | Yah, linux doesn't support Intel Raid matrix :( |
| 11:23.06 | war | I read the technical layout aspect/bus speeds and it doesn't ssay whether the purple ports (Gigabytes) are on PCI-e or not |
| 11:23.07 | war | no no |
| 11:23.10 | war | they are Gigabyte's SATA ports |
| 11:23.12 | war | those ones |
| 11:23.12 | rainabba_ | It's considered fake-raid even though it kicks the hell outta $500 controllers |
| 11:23.16 | rainabba_ | Ohh |
| 11:23.26 | rainabba_ | Not sure I have tried. |
| 11:23.36 | rainabba_ | if I get up and running, I'll try. |
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| 11:23.39 | war | rainabba_: lspci -vx for me? |
| 11:23.43 | war | rainabba_: is the box up? |
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| 11:23.56 | rainabba_ | war: You just join the conversation? :) |
| 11:24.02 | war | rainabba_: yes |
| 11:24.06 | war | oh you cant boot |
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| 11:24.33 | war | rainabba_: I use LILO here w/RAID1, what are you doing different? |
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| 11:25.37 | war | rainabba_: ? |
| 11:25.44 | rainabba_ | Tried 3 times with Kubuntu (don't ask), on try number 3 with Debian Etch now and I've never had problems with debian before. |
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| 11:26.00 | war | rainabba_: must you use LVM? |
| 11:26.25 | war | rainabba_: easiest way to fix you is this |
| 11:26.30 | war | rainabba_: install Debian Etch on 1 hDD |
| 11:26.31 | rainabba_ | Using PXEBOOT to netboot. No, but I'd prefer to see supporting evidence that it's evil, because it is useful. |
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| 11:26.42 | war | rainabba_: boot knoppix |
| 11:26.42 | eifzon | busfahrer: i live in sweden/stockhol, |
| 11:26.45 | war | rainabba_: set it up how you want |
| 11:26.54 | war | rainabba_: chroot into the md/lvm/whatever |
| 11:26.59 | war | rainabba_: compile your own kernel for the environment |
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| 11:27.07 | war | rainabba_: mdadm --examine --scan |
| 11:27.10 | war | rainabba_: write out your mdadm.conf |
| 11:27.14 | war | rainabba_: then reboot |
| 11:27.20 | war | rainabba_: that's the fastest way |
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| 11:27.55 | rainabba_ | war: At that rate, I might as well go continue fighting to get my Windows install up. As I said, I'm trying this because I believed I'd end up with a fast, productive desktop sooner and that's proving to be very wrong. |
| 11:27.58 | eifzon | I wanna fix this timestamp problem |
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| 11:28.10 | war | rainabba_: at that rate? its quite fast doing it that way but ok |
| 11:28.12 | war | eifzon: I told you |
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| 11:28.14 | malmen | hellp |
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| 11:28.16 | war | eifzon: ntpdate time.nist.gov |
| 11:28.19 | malmen | how to update timezone ? :X |
| 11:28.45 | war | malmen: cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/EST5EDT /etc/localtime |
| 11:28.46 | eifzon | war: command not found.. |
| 11:28.53 | war | eifzon: apt-get install ntpdate |
| 11:28.56 | war | eifzon: ntpdate time.nist.gov |
| 11:28.59 | war | eifzon: ??? |
| 11:29.01 | eifzon | ECAT, Automation |
| 11:29.01 | eifzon | Utbildningsanordnare:Stockholms stad |
| 11:29.06 | eifzon | ops |
| 11:29.10 | malmen | war, i was put the timezone how i want on /etc/timezone |
| 11:29.10 | Firefalcon | eifzon - apt-get install ntpdate |
| 11:29.14 | malmen | but the time not update |
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| 11:29.16 | eifzon | cant still |
| 11:29.25 | eifzon | sudo: timestamp too far in the future: |
| 11:29.45 | Firefalcon | hmmm |
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| 11:29.49 | eifzon | nv |
| 11:29.50 | eifzon | m |
| 11:29.50 | war | eifzon: then set your date in the past |
| 11:29.54 | war | eifzon: date --date 20060101 |
| 11:30.00 | war | eifzon: then ntpdate time.nist.gov |
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| 11:30.43 | eifzon | war: do i have to reboot after? |
| 11:31.20 | rainabba_ | war: I do appriciate the help and I'm not trying to knock it, but those directions appear incomplete to me (most likely because my lack of linux knowledge), and what I do recognize don't appear relevant if all I've done is install to 1 hdd (again, likely because I don't have the experience). I've installed Debian to software raid and LVM before with no troulbe. I think the problem is that I tried to go straight to xen support, and once agai |
| 11:31.39 | war | eifzon: no |
| 11:31.52 | malmen | pepsrv:~# cat /etc/timezone |
| 11:31.52 | malmen | User defined |
| 11:31.53 | malmen | :( |
| 11:31.54 | rainabba_ | I'm trying the install again w/o any focus on xen |
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| 11:31.58 | war | rainabba_: ah you are new to linux? |
| 11:32.17 | war | eifzon: did it work? |
| 11:32.19 | rainabba_ | war: I wouldn't say that, but then again I come up against something every day that makes me question it. |
| 11:32.30 | rainabba_ | war: Try me :) |
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| 11:32.50 | war | rainabba_: what are the top 5 optimizations you can utilize for your SW RAID5? |
| 11:32.52 | rainabba_ | war: Also, got any links about LVM performance. I have Googled and found nothing solid |
| 11:32.53 | eifzon | sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Jul 1 12:55:19 2007 |
| 11:32.54 | eifzon | war: still |
| 11:32.59 | war | eifzon: hmm |
| 11:33.00 | Kumbi | hi guys, how do i install something from a deb package |
| 11:33.15 | jduggan | dpkg -i package.deb |
| 11:33.17 | war | eifzon: as root type: date --date 20060101 |
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| 11:33.21 | war | eifzon: as root type /sbin/hwclock --sync |
| 11:33.26 | war | eifzon: as root type ntpdate time.nist.gov |
| 11:33.28 | war | eifzon: as root type /sbin/hwclock --sync |
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| 11:33.39 | Kumbi | how do i install pidgin on debian |
| 11:33.46 | Kumbi | aptitude install pidgin does nothing |
| 11:33.50 | Firefalcon | Eifzon - Read the bottom comment on this page: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=173505 apparently sudo -k will help |
| 11:34.19 | malmen | help me please -> http://www.pastebin.ca/597039 <- i select the timezone how i want but the date not update :( |
| 11:34.31 | rainabba_ | war: Not a clue really. Stripe size is critical on my raid controllers. :) |
| 11:35.01 | Firefalcon | malmen - what does the output of running "date" say? |
| 11:35.02 | HostilePenguin | hplip i cant print color at 600x600 only 300x300 what can i do hp deskjet 840 c |
| 11:35.07 | war | rainabba_: mainly a windows guy? :) |
| 11:35.19 | war | rainabba_: you'll learn a lot more doing it the way I suggested |
| 11:35.24 | war | rainabba_: rather thatn just having it 'just work' |
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| 11:35.59 | rainabba_ | war: Mainly. I use pfSense for a router, FC5 for a vmware host, Xen Express 3.2 for a different VM host. |
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| 11:37.08 | rainabba_ | war: I know the LVM2 tools and mdadm. That's part of why those directions weren't clear; they didn't seem to apply my knowledge. |
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| 11:37.27 | malmen | Sat Jun 30 07:33:25 EDT 2007 |
| 11:37.32 | malmen | Firefalcon, Sat Jun 30 07:33:25 EDT 2007 |
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| 11:37.55 | Firefalcon | Malmen - is EDT your timezone? |
| 11:37.57 | malmen | in portugal date should be 12:33:25 |
| 11:38.03 | war | rainabba_: still don't knoww why on earth you would use lvm |
| 11:38.07 | malmen | nopt |
| 11:38.09 | malmen | note |
| 11:38.16 | Firefalcon | Malmen - ah, you want CEDT I think, yes? |
| 11:38.30 | Firefalcon | malmen - CEST even |
| 11:38.34 | malmen | i want Listbon/Portugal |
| 11:38.44 | malmen | Europe/Lisbon |
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| 11:39.00 | rainabba_ | war: Why anyone does; flexibility. I like options. That's 99% of why linux appeals to me. |
| 11:39.01 | Kumbi | how do i get compiz installed on debian |
| 11:39.30 | war | rainabba_: so you feel you need to change teh sizes of your disk every 5 minutes? |
| 11:39.39 | war | rainabba_: it just doesnt make sense to me |
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| 11:40.11 | malmen | like that -> http://www.pastebin.ca/597039 i update that to my timezone but date continue show another timezone :\ |
| 11:40.33 | malmen | cat /etc/timezone return User defined |
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| 11:40.36 | rainabba_ | war: Not a matter of frequency. It's a matter of simplicity when it needs to be done. Though I do change more often than most I guess. Being that I'm a developer and like to play with new technology/concepts, the ability to change and adapt is of high value to me. |
| 11:40.36 | Firefalcon | Malmen - you need to use tzconfig to change the time zone |
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| 11:40.54 | malmen | Firefalcon, and i use |
| 11:40.55 | malmen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:41.11 | war | rainabba_: so speed doesnt matter to you |
| 11:41.13 | war | rainabba_: got it |
| 11:41.18 | Firefalcon | Malmen - ah, I see |
| 11:41.31 | Firefalcon | Malmen - are you doing this as root/su? |
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| 11:42.14 | rainabba_ | war: You're starting to sound condescending. Speed does matter, but that doesn't mean it overrides flexibility. That's why I'm running a 4 disk raid5. I have performance enough to get a fair bit of both. |
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| 11:42.27 | Firefalcon | Malmen - because I wonder if it just is for you as a local user |
| 11:42.30 | war | rainabba_: got it |
| 11:42.42 | stew | war: lvm does not noticably affect speed |
| 11:42.46 | GhostlyDeath | in GNOME: If I go to "Desktop > Log Out <user>..." and do switch user, will all my open apps stay open? |
| 11:43.11 | Firefalcon | Malmen - see here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
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| 11:43.37 | war | stew, have benchmakrs to prove that? :) |
| 11:43.48 | stew | war: one reason i've been happy to use lvm is that when i had a disk starting to go bad on me, i could add a second disk, and pvmove from one disk to another |
| 11:43.51 | stew | war: yeah, hold on |
| 11:43.53 | rainabba_ | war: have benchmarks to prove otherwise? :) |
| 11:44.10 | rainabba_ | Someone just get me benchmarks !!! :) |
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| 11:44.59 | Kumbi | hey what vnc viewer can i install on debian 4.0 |
| 11:45.10 | Kumbi | aptitude install vncviewer has NOTHING again |
| 11:45.19 | war | rainabba_: http://osdir.com/ml/linux.lvm.general/2004-06/msg00049.html |
| 11:45.21 | war | rainabba_: 33% hit |
| 11:45.42 | Firefalcon | Kumbi - try aptitude search vnc |
| 11:45.52 | rainabba_ | war: That was in 2004? |
| 11:46.01 | war | rainabba_: http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20070525.084047.0c392700.en.html |
| 11:46.03 | war | rainabba_: 72% performance hit |
| 11:46.07 | war | 2007 |
| 11:46.12 | stew | war: http://blog.andrew.net.au/2006/08/09#lvm_vs_straight_disk |
| 11:46.30 | war | stew: not valid |
| 11:46.34 | war | stew: need LVM vs. MD raid |
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| 11:47.09 | war | rainabba_: so because of benchmarks like that, I would never EVER use LVM |
| 11:47.14 | rainabba_ | war: That was LVM with striping that gave -72% |
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| 11:47.22 | stew | war: not valid? |
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| 11:47.57 | war | stew: no, it is not applicable |
| 11:48.05 | stew | to what? |
| 11:48.06 | war | stew, we're talking about md vs. md+lvm |
| 11:48.07 | b_jonas | hello. I've installed openoffice not from packages on sarge, but now that I've upgraded to etch I want to install it from packages instead. |
| 11:48.14 | war | stew: not lvm vs. single disk |
| 11:48.45 | b_jonas | could you assure me that the debian packages for openoffice.org don't put anything in /opt because I want to make sure I don't delete anything installed newly when I delete the previous installation. |
| 11:48.52 | b_jonas | thanks in advance |
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| 11:49.05 | xand | b_jonas: they don't |
| 11:49.10 | cast | b_jonas: ~$ ls -l /opt => total 0 |
| 11:49.24 | b_jonas | ok, thank you |
| 11:49.27 | xand | the only thing i have in opt is a mpd idrectory |
| 11:49.49 | xand | b_jonas: opt isn't used by the packaged manager |
| 11:49.56 | xand | it's like /usr/local |
| 11:50.21 | war | rainabba_: only 3-4% hit here http://www.issociate.de/board/post/435984/LVM_on_raid10_-_severe_performance_drop.html |
| 11:50.34 | war | rainabba_: maybe LVM isn't too bad if optimized |
| 11:50.43 | war | rainabba_: MD RAID for my raptors only does 220MB/s |
| 11:50.46 | war | before optimizations |
| 11:50.47 | b_jonas | funnily, now that I've deleted openoffice I don't have anything in opt either |
| 11:50.51 | war | so perhaps LVM has same problems |
| 11:51.02 | war | nobody knows/doesnt bother how to optimize their LVm |
| 11:51.03 | war | so it is shit |
| 11:51.05 | b_jonas | that surprises me because on previous systems it had lots of stuff like acrobat reader |
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| 11:51.28 | b_jonas | and netscape |
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| 11:51.47 | b_jonas | hmm, where on earth is acrobat reader installed now? /me checks out |
| 11:52.03 | b_jonas | ah, in my home |
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| 11:52.16 | war | heh |
| 11:52.19 | war | b_jonas: are you ok? :) |
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| 11:53.14 | b_jonas | why? you see some pdfs floating around that only acrobat reader can display well. |
| 11:53.23 | b_jonas | and I don't have netscape anymore of course |
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| 11:53.59 | quitte_ | ah. and i already wanted to surprise you eith the fact that it_'s the year 2007 |
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| 11:54.05 | war | quitte_: lol |
| 11:54.13 | mbuf | hi, is there a quick tutorial on how to make .ogg movies by running the openoffice impress presentation and recording audio? |
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| 11:54.18 | b_jonas | so all my extra stuff is now under either /usr/local or /home/ |
| 11:54.22 | mbuf | similar to the training videos prepared here, http://business.newsforge.com/business/05/11/09/2044220.shtml?tid=35&tid=136&tid=130 |
| 11:54.35 | b_jonas | when I upgraded to etch, lots of those stuff got superseded by distro installations |
| 11:54.37 | slidesinger | b_jonas: did you get acroread able to access all the system fonts? |
| 11:54.50 | b_jonas | slidesinger: I don't know. |
| 11:55.15 | b_jonas | I just installed it and read or convert to ps those pdf documents that gv can't show up |
| 11:55.27 | quitte_ | acrobat reader is in non-free. no reason to have it in home |
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| 11:56.21 | b_jonas | this ooffice installation was real quick |
| 11:56.52 | b_jonas | I remember compiling it for hours on the gentoo system (pentium 2 with I think 128 M ram) |
| 11:57.09 | b_jonas | though some packages of it was already installed |
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| 12:02.11 | g00se | What part of my Exim config is not working, given this extract from the debug log?: http://paste.debian.net/31701 |
| 12:02.43 | Internat | anyone got a crash course for building mysql auth support into apache 2.2 on debian? |
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| 12:09.38 | slidesinger | gocr, ocrad, or tesseract-ocr? Opinions, please. |
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| 12:15.19 | malmen | damn |
| 12:15.20 | malmen | pepsrv:~# export TZ=WEST |
| 12:15.20 | malmen | pepsrv:~# date |
| 12:15.20 | malmen | Sat Jun 30 12:15:02 UTC 2007 |
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| 12:16.25 | malmen | sorry |
| 12:16.36 | malmen | pepsrv:~# export TZ=WEST AND pepsrv:~# date AND Sat Jun 30 12:15:02 UTC 2007 |
| 12:16.39 | malmen | what is wrong ? |
| 12:17.09 | Firefalcon | Malmen - one moment |
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| 12:17.31 | wols_ | malmen: hwclock --show |
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| 12:19.10 | malmen | Sat 30 Jun 2007 12:17:24 PM UTC -0.517387 seconds |
| 12:20.19 | ctp | hi folks. how to extract the kernel config etch uses in 2.6.18-4? i wanna use that .config (oldconfig) for 2.6.21-5 and not configure all the stuff manually. |
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| 12:20.19 | abrotman | ctp: do you already have the kernel installed on your system ? |
| 12:20.22 | abrotman | if so, look in /boot/ |
| 12:20.35 | wols_ | malmen: /etc/default/rcS |
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| 12:21.30 | ctp | abrotman: ah, ok. thx ;-) |
| 12:22.11 | samesame | i wonder if there will one day be a debian 'davis' |
| 12:22.20 | gcj | hi all, i'd like to download and run debian etch easily and fast, to debug an application. I have a running FC6 system and would like to just chroot into an etch environment. can anyone recommend an easy way to do that? i.e. what files do i need to download to get an environment with a compiler? |
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| 12:22.26 | Internat | i always seem to have this problem with building from source, that once it builds and i install the package that it built.. next time i run apt-get update/upgrade it trys to replace it |
| 12:23.39 | Python-Idle | anybody here has experience with the "debian from scratch" distro? |
| 12:23.42 | xand | Internat: apt doesn't know about things you've installed from source. |
| 12:23.56 | Internat | oh.. hmms |
| 12:23.59 | Firefalcon | malmen - what is the output of locales? (paste to http://paste.debian.net/ and give link) |
| 12:24.04 | Internat | then why is it trying to ovewrite it? |
| 12:25.12 | wols_ | Internat: bad version numbers. apt sees a newer vresion is available and snatches it |
| 12:25.24 | wols_ | Internat: that is if you created .debs |
| 12:25.32 | wols_ | !tell Internat about equivs |
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| 12:26.28 | malmen | output of locales ? |
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| 12:26.35 | malmen | -bash: locales: command not found |
| 12:27.27 | delliott | How can I install a package from unstable without affecting the testing nature of my system? I am only looking to install tomcat5.5.20-5 and any unstable dependencies associated with it |
| 12:27.45 | samesame | delliott: install it in chroot |
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| 12:28.18 | Firefalcon | Malmen - sorry "locale" |
| 12:28.53 | malmen | http://paste.debian.net/31702 |
| 12:29.14 | delliott | samesame, ok, thanks. |
| 12:29.15 | noxem | Y are there more people in the #gentoo room? *just joking* :) |
| 12:30.10 | samesame | noxem: because many people have too much time on their hands.. |
| 12:30.10 | gcj | anyone know an easy way to get a debian root fs that i can chroot into? |
| 12:30.11 | Firefalcon | Malman - aha - that's the problem - your system is all set to the US locale - I bet some of the keys don't come out right as well? (or is it a remote system?) |
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| 12:30.36 | Firefalcon | malmen - this system is just one you use, yes? |
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| 12:30.42 | eifzon | hmm, i still got the timestamp problem, but it seems i only got it with sudo |
| 12:30.44 | stew | gcj: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 12:30.53 | gcj | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:31.00 | gcj | sorry :-) bad copy and paste |
| 12:31.04 | gcj | thanks stew |
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| 12:31.28 | Firefalcon | Eifzon, did you look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=173505 ? |
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| 12:34.27 | eifzon | 2. Use Adjust Date & Time to set the date/time to the sudo timestamp or later. |
| 12:34.29 | eifzon | How do i do that |
| 12:35.20 | abrotman | eifzon: what's the problem ? |
| 12:35.44 | Firefalcon | Eifzon - do you have a desktop environment, if not use "date" from the command line |
| 12:36.00 | xand | install ntp |
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| 12:36.16 | malmen | Firefalcon, its a remote system |
| 12:36.17 | eifzon | abrotman: i get, sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Jul 1 12:55:19 2007 |
| 12:36.24 | malmen | are on my datacenter |
| 12:36.29 | malmen | *is |
| 12:36.35 | xand | eifzon: well that time is wrong |
| 12:36.48 | malmen | what i need to change ? :X |
| 12:36.49 | abrotman | eifzon: what time is it really there ? |
| 12:37.07 | abrotman | eifzon: install and use ntp |
| 12:37.12 | eifzon | abrotman: 14:37 |
| 12:37.13 | eifzon | install ? |
| 12:37.18 | abrotman | !ntp |
| 12:37.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 12:37.34 | xand | ntp comes preconfigured these days... those instructions are bogus |
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| 12:38.05 | eifzon | abrotman: my timezone is correct |
| 12:38.07 | eifzon | but stil ldont work |
| 12:38.10 | abrotman | xand: perhaps |
| 12:38.11 | xand | apt-get install ntp |
| 12:38.18 | abrotman | eifzon: it doesn't mean your clock is |
| 12:38.52 | abrotman | eifzon: grep UTC /etc/default/rcS |
| 12:38.55 | Enverex | Which Torrent Tracker software is easiest to use? |
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| 12:39.10 | abrotman | Enverex: cosnole? kde? gnome? web? |
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| 12:39.42 | eifzon | abrotman: UTC=yes |
| 12:39.49 | Enverex | abrotman, Torrent tracker software, not torrent downloading. Console anyway as it's on my headless server |
| 12:40.00 | Firefalcon | Malmen - sorry was away - what does locale -a say? |
| 12:40.10 | abrotman | eifzon: date && hwclock |
| 12:40.17 | abrotman | oh . nfc |
| 12:40.28 | abrotman | i thought they were the same |
| 12:40.51 | eifzon | Sat Jun 30 14:40:39 CEST 2007 |
| 12:40.52 | eifzon | select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 12:41.22 | abrotman | so only the sudo date is wrong ? |
| 12:41.31 | eifzon | yes |
| 12:41.50 | malmen | http://paste.debian.net/31703 |
| 12:42.15 | abrotman | what sudo command are you using ? |
| 12:42.24 | Firefalcon | Eifzon - did you try sudo -k? |
| 12:42.30 | abrotman | eifzon: and when are you getting that error ? |
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| 12:42.59 | Enverex | Erm, if in my control file it says Arch: any, why does the .deb builder make files that end in amd64.deb? Shouldn't it be "all"? |
| 12:43.00 | eifzon | abrotman: when i am on normal using and trying: sudo apt-get install whatever.. |
| 12:43.26 | abrotman | eifzon: what if you use regular su ? |
| 12:43.43 | abrotman | Enverex: are you on an amd64 box ? |
| 12:43.49 | malmen | Firefalcon, http://paste.debian.net/31703 |
| 12:43.59 | eifzon | abrotman: su works fine |
| 12:44.04 | eifzon | but i want sudo to work |
| 12:44.26 | Firefalcon | Malmen - you need to add the Portugese locale for it to be available, although I think that is separate to the timezone, but would probably be good to sort both |
| 12:44.59 | Enverex | abrotman, Yeah |
| 12:45.11 | abrotman | eifzon: paste the full error |
| 12:45.21 | eifzon | howhow |
| 12:45.32 | eifzon | sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Jul 1 12:55:19 2007 |
| 12:45.51 | abrotman | eifzon: try the -k option |
| 12:45.58 | eifzon | as normal user? |
| 12:46.14 | abrotman | sudo -k |
| 12:46.18 | eifzon | still same problem |
| 12:46.30 | abrotman | do a strace on your command |
| 12:46.36 | eifzon | how? |
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| 12:46.45 | abrotman | strace <command> |
| 12:46.54 | Enverex | abrotman, How do I get it to make an all file rather than amd64? |
| 12:47.03 | abrotman | NFC |
| 12:47.19 | eifzon | abrotman: ok |
| 12:47.21 | eifzon | wrote that command |
| 12:47.23 | eifzon | what to do next? |
| 12:47.25 | abrotman | Enverex: does it really matter ? |
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| 12:47.30 | abrotman | eifzon: paste the output ?> |
| 12:47.33 | abrotman | !paste |
| 12:47.33 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 12:47.55 | gcj | stew, sorry i'm having problems with debootstrap, i'm trying to install sarge but it fails with "E: Couldn't download gcc-3.2-base", any ideas? |
| 12:47.58 | Enverex | abrotman, Well yeah, if someone on i386 tries to install it it would complain that it's the wrong arch wont it? |
| 12:48.27 | nn | how do I change the order of entries in the partion table, i.e. assign which partition becomes sda1 and so on? |
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| 12:49.19 | abrotman | eifzon: paste the command and output .. like you see it on your box |
| 12:49.20 | nvz | how can I run a cgi script as a specific user with apache? |
| 12:49.33 | eifzon | abrotman: huh? |
| 12:49.38 | Enverex | abrotman, Or is it just being retarded and putting amd64 in the name but really it wont complain on an i386 machine? |
| 12:49.52 | abrotman | eifzon: run the command as you normally do .. i want to see the actual output |
| 12:50.14 | nvz | or rather what user would it normally run as, the user apache is running as? |
| 12:50.27 | abrotman | Enverex: dpkg -I <file> .. what's the Arch ? |
| 12:50.32 | stew | gcj: 3.2? are you sure? there is no such package in debian. what version of debootstrap are you using? |
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| 12:50.57 | stew | nvz: you'd need to enable suexec, which iirc you can enable with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 12:51.05 | eifzon | abrotman: what command.. |
| 12:51.07 | stew | nvz: otherwise, yes, the script is run as www-data |
| 12:51.16 | abrotman | the sudo command |
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| 12:51.20 | gcj | stew, debootstrap-0.2.23-1 rpm that i found on the net, i'm not sure how to build the latest debootstrap .deb on a fedora system, sorry :-( |
| 12:51.44 | stew | gcj: that's very old, you should get the source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap |
| 12:52.02 | nvz | hmm I wonder.. |
| 12:52.10 | Enverex | abrotman, The package SHOULD be arch independant, but -I says amd64 |
| 12:52.23 | stew | gcj: debootstrap isn't somethihng you have to build, its just a perl script |
| 12:52.29 | stew | (or is it a sh script?) |
| 12:52.44 | eifzon | sudo apt-get install program abrotman ? |
| 12:52.59 | gcj | stew, it appears to be a shell script, but it has files that it expects to be in certain places, not sure how to do that from the source distribution |
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| 12:53.11 | abrotman | eifzon: i'm not a program! |
| 12:53.14 | nvz | stew: is the suexec thing documented in the standard apache docs in debian I guess? |
| 12:53.20 | abrotman | eifzon: sudo aptitude install <whatever> |
| 12:54.08 | nvz | I think I rather run this cgi as root than allow apache's user to run useradd the script is highly paranoid as it is :P |
| 12:54.16 | eifzon | abrotman: sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Jul 1 12:55:19 2007 |
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| 12:54.33 | abrotman | that's the only line ? |
| 12:54.53 | eifzon | i did |
| 12:54.56 | eifzon | sudo apt-get install amsn |
| 12:54.58 | eifzon | then i got that |
| 12:55.03 | abrotman | and that's the only line ? |
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| 12:55.13 | eifzon | error line |
| 12:55.14 | eifzon | ye |
| 12:55.31 | abrotman | the other paste shows a different error |
| 12:55.37 | abrotman | write(2, "must be setuid root", 19must be setuid root) = 19 |
| 12:55.38 | DHT | ANy bodybuilders around? |
| 12:55.40 | stew | nvz: yeah, it should be in apache2-doc |
| 12:55.51 | stew | DHT: please keep it on-topic |
| 12:55.52 | eifzon | abrotman: how to fix that? |
| 12:56.10 | nvz | stew: I'm running apache, is there any reason I should be running apache2? |
| 12:56.23 | abrotman | eifzon: try to find which file has that jul 1 timestamp first |
| 12:56.27 | DHT | ok sorry just curious |
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| 12:56.36 | stew | nvz: not currently, but its likely to be removed before lenny releases |
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| 12:56.43 | eifzon | abrotman: in where?;} |
| 12:57.03 | nvz | stew: oh really? apache 1.3 you mean? |
| 12:57.06 | stew | nvz: yes |
| 12:57.11 | abrotman | use the -o option of strace .. then find the error .. and find what file it's trying to open |
| 12:57.14 | gcj | stew, ok i think i hacked it to run with env variables and symlinks :-) |
| 12:57.44 | Enverex | abrotman, ... so... ideas? |
| 12:57.47 | nvz | stew: hmm I should be able to figure apache2 out by then. the upgrade should be fairly painless I would assume |
| 12:57.54 | abrotman | eifzon: or try to use find |
| 12:57.56 | bh | Is there some kind of copy protection on Alpha Centauri? The cd is mounted in /mnt/cdrom and still the installer can't find the disc. Using PPC installer btw |
| 12:57.58 | abrotman | Enverex: nope |
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| 12:58.28 | eifzon | abrotman: find what? :P |
| 12:58.46 | abrotman | man find |
| 12:59.00 | malmen | Firefalcon, locale is now seted to portugal |
| 12:59.10 | malmen | but the timezone continue the same :( |
| 12:59.15 | Enverex | *sighs* I'm trying to make a Debian package but it keeps making it as amd64. How do I tell it to make it "all" instead? |
| 12:59.56 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 12:59.56 | dpkg | somebody said mentors was Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
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| 13:00.17 | quitte_ | Enverex: in the control file |
| 13:00.20 | stew | Enverex: change 'any' to 'all' in the control file |
| 13:00.31 | nn | I once had a mentor, he ruined my life. |
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| 13:02.36 | Firefalcon | Malmen - now try editing /etc/timezone as root to Europe/Lisbon |
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| 13:02.46 | nvz | hmm well it seems suExec will not let me run this cgi as root, so I gotta figure out another way of running useradd from the script |
| 13:03.24 | Enverex | stew, aaah, that was it, thanks |
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| 13:03.58 | nvz | this is a PITA I really can't just let apache's user have sudo permissions to run useradd |
| 13:04.08 | nvz | I'd rather trust my script to run as root than do that |
| 13:04.32 | eifzon | abrotman: i dont know what to search for :P |
| 13:04.49 | gcj | nvz, write a script that useradds only certain user names under conditions you specify, and let apache run that script with sudo |
| 13:05.11 | nvz | gcj: thats what my cgi script does already.. heh |
| 13:05.21 | abrotman | the error |
| 13:05.55 | gcj | nvz, ok then move those conditions to the script that runs under sudo, that enforces the security better than your cgi because the script is owned by root and runs as root |
| 13:06.10 | nvz | gcj: the cgi script uses a single-use time expiring no-failures ticket based system :P |
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| 13:07.00 | gcj | nvz, but if it needs apache to allow it to trun |
| 13:07.05 | eifzon | abrotman: what's the error |
| 13:07.21 | gcj | nvz, if it needs you to allow apache to run useradd as root, then it's the wrong side of the security barrier |
| 13:07.22 | nvz | gcj: I was gonna make a 2nd script that actually adds the user but now I gotta figure out how to make sure apache's user can run that but only if this script says so |
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| 13:07.23 | abrotman | the time stamp error |
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| 13:07.32 | StuckMojo | trying to upgrade from woody to etch |
| 13:07.35 | eifzon | abrotman: the whole line? |
| 13:07.36 | StuckMojo | i should probably go to sarge first |
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| 13:07.40 | eifzon | sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Jul 1 12:55:19 2007 |
| 13:07.43 | abrotman | or just part of it |
| 13:07.45 | gcj | nvz, put your security logic on the right side of the security barrier and all will be well |
| 13:09.15 | StuckMojo | seems to be working better |
| 13:09.33 | StuckMojo | i've got a couple other woody boxen hanging around... |
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| 13:09.50 | StuckMojo | it would be nice to know the recommended method.... |
| 13:10.16 | nvz | gcj: hmm.. my security logic requires entering of a user that owns the ticket, and a ticket id string that will be hashed from the website.. I really don't want to allow passing that much data around. just passing it to a cgi script is one thing, but passing it to another script seems risky. I'll figure something out I guess. |
| 13:10.44 | nvz | gcj: part of the security of this script is that it swallowed any data comming from the website, didn't pass it along anywhere |
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| 13:11.22 | gcj | nvz, for a little extra security by obscurity, encrypt all that data in your cgi script, pass it encrypted to the one that runs as root, and decrypt it there and verify it again |
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| 13:11.29 | stew | StuckMojo: skipping releases is not supported, you should upgrade to sarge first: /msg dpkg woody->sarge ; then upgrade to etch: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 13:11.54 | stew | StuckMojo: note that both have somewhat specific and differing recommended upgrade procedures |
| 13:12.24 | nvz | gcj: I suppose the cgi script is already hashing the data to compare with the ticket data.. so I guess it can't really hurt |
| 13:13.12 | gcj | nvz, just make sure that your suid script verifies everything before allowing the operation to proceed |
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| 13:14.09 | stoned | good morning |
| 13:15.36 | sn0 | afternoon stoned |
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| 13:16.25 | unixoide | !ping |
| 13:16.26 | dpkg | pong |
| 13:16.26 | Jerom80 | Pong! |
| 13:16.35 | nvz | I already planned on this being a 3 script system one to do the cgi, one for the admin to create tickets, and one to actually do the dirty work |
| 13:16.37 | gcj | nvz, your cgi doesn't really have to check the data integrity, you can let the suid script do that for you |
| 13:16.45 | wols_ | !ping |
| 13:16.45 | dpkg | pong |
| 13:16.45 | Jerom80 | Pong! |
| 13:16.48 | gcj | the cgi is on the wrong side of the security barrier so it can be bypassed |
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| 13:16.54 | wols_ | Jerom80: stop your bot please |
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| 13:17.22 | g00se | What part of my Exim config is not working, given this extract from the debug log? Meant to be acting as relay to my ISP for hosts on LAN: http://paste.debian.net/31701 |
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| 13:17.30 | nvz | gcj: I suppose. right now my cgi script is the one that checks that the user has a ticket, that its not expired, and that the ticket string's hashes match.. |
| 13:17.51 | liable | !rdepends avahi-daemon |
| 13:18.07 | nvz | gcj: I guess from what you're saying the other script should be doing all that and all the cgi needs to do is pass the hashed form data along |
| 13:18.18 | Firefalcon | Manmen - I hope you've managed to resolve your problem - I need to go now, cya |
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| 13:27.54 | liable | wtf does sun-java need avahi-daemon? |
| 13:28.30 | stew | heh, maybe it was starting to stabilize |
| 13:28.32 | Halleck | hah! I got debian 0.91 and 1.1 to boot on my 80386 :D |
| 13:28.34 | dromer | hi all, I'm getting [warn] NameVirtualHost <old-dns>:443 has no VirtualHosts when I restart apache, which .conf do I need to change to fix this? can't find it anywhere in the apache docs |
| 13:28.38 | stew | so they had to add some unstable dependencies |
| 13:29.27 | stew | Halleck: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 13:29.43 | Halleck | stew: huh? |
| 13:30.09 | stew | i'm just curious which kernel you got running with those old version of debian |
| 13:30.10 | Halleck | the kernel version? |
| 13:30.27 | wfq | stew, when some one ask you for your dsa key, you have to give the right part of "blablablablabla"=key, that is to say, "key". |
| 13:30.41 | Halleck | let's see... I need to write a root floppy for 1.1 first |
| 13:30.57 | wfq | I mean the one who you can see in id_dsa.pub |
| 13:31.00 | stew | wfq: i'm not sure i know wat you mean? what is the context? |
| 13:31.16 | stew | wfq: oh the entire contents of id_dsa.pub |
| 13:31.36 | wfq | stew, some asked me for my dsa key so that I can get in his system |
| 13:31.51 | wfq | ok. got it |
| 13:31.51 | stew | wfq: yeah, the entire file |
| 13:31.55 | wfq | thanks |
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| 13:34.42 | malmen | pepsrv:~# cat /etc/timezone |
| 13:34.42 | malmen | Europe/Lisbon |
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| 13:35.01 | malmen | date -> Sat Jun 30 13:34:44 UTC 2007 |
| 13:35.08 | malmen | the real date here is Sat Jun 30 14:34:44 UTC 2007 |
| 13:35.09 | malmen | :s |
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| 13:36.10 | nn | Is there a scientific term for people who have problems making decisions? |
| 13:36.15 | nn | I needed two days for deciding how to partition my harddisk |
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| 13:38.02 | abrotman | you could have just used the guided partitioning :) |
| 13:39.24 | g00se | If you want to relay for/to all domains what should dc_relay_domains be set to in Exim? |
| 13:39.53 | wols_ | nn: undecisive? |
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| 13:41.02 | abrotman | g00se: you want to be an open relay ? |
| 13:41.19 | g00se | Only from my LAN |
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| 13:42.53 | g00se | abrotman: The server will only accessible from inside the LAN. Currently exim is blocking relaying from its own LAN |
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| 13:43.54 | tarzeau | can i create .ani files in linux somehow? gimp didn't know about .ani |
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| 13:44.24 | nvz | touch files.ani |
| 13:44.35 | nvz | wth is an .ani file? |
| 13:44.47 | tarzeau | nvz: like .ico (favicon) but for mouse cursors and animated |
| 13:44.47 | wols_ | animated cursor. windows stuff |
| 13:44.55 | tarzeau | nvz: i want a mouse cursor like http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/butterfly.gif |
| 13:45.03 | tarzeau | wols_: firefox handles it too |
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| 13:45.21 | wols_ | tarzeau: you are out of your mind. but that's nothing new |
| 13:45.25 | nvz | is it a real format or just a renamed gif? :P |
| 13:45.25 | wols_ | a butterfly... |
| 13:45.42 | liable | what, no pony mouse cursor? |
| 13:45.42 | tarzeau | nvz: oh let me try that |
| 13:45.52 | tarzeau | liable: i can make a pink pony mouse cursor only for you! |
| 13:45.58 | nvz | tarzeau: try finding one and running gnu file on it :P |
| 13:46.01 | wols_ | liable: ponies are too big and too pretty to end up as mousecursors |
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| 13:46.16 | wols_ | it's hard to hit a button with that big behind of a pony! |
| 13:46.18 | tarzeau | nvz: pity that doesn't work |
| 13:46.45 | wols_ | tarzeau: windows program + wine |
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| 13:47.06 | nvz | tarzeau: teh google says its a structured RIFF file format |
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| 13:49.14 | wols_ | http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/butterfly.gif |
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| 13:50.56 | nvz | tarzeau: http://www.gdgsoft.com/anituner/help/aniformat.htm the bottom section "For Programmers Only" |
| 13:51.38 | tarzeau | nvz: why can't they just supported gif :( |
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| 13:54.36 | Enverex | erm, on amd64 is there any way of playing WMP9 files? |
| 13:55.00 | nvz | tarzeau: cause you can't put a virus in it? |
| 13:55.20 | tarzeau | Enverex: with mplayer? |
| 13:55.22 | nvz | tarzeau: I'm seeing articles all over the web about animated cursor exploits using that file format |
| 13:55.27 | tarzeau | Enverex: got an example wmp9 file? |
| 13:55.42 | tarzeau | nvz: yes i also found one. but i really only want that butterfly |
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| 13:56.03 | nvz | tarzeau: this seems to be microsoft's end goal to create as many ways to write viruses as possible |
| 13:56.06 | Enverex | tarzeau, It's like 900MB so not really an example, heh |
| 13:56.21 | tarzeau | Enverex: you can give me only the first 10 mb |
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| 13:56.59 | Enverex | tarzeau, Actually MPlayer works, it was just totem |
| 13:57.05 | tarzeau | Enverex: great :) |
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| 13:57.46 | Enverex | Wonder what I need for Totem... |
| 13:58.09 | nvz | Enverex: they (all movie players) should read the codecs if they are installed |
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| 13:58.20 | nvz | some movie players just suck.. totem is one of them :P |
| 13:58.41 | dhakatel | I want to install downloaded software by apt-get to another pc having same vertion of debian |
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| 13:58.50 | dhakatel | how can I do that |
| 13:59.14 | zamuro | Same arch? |
| 13:59.25 | nvz | dhakatel: you're gonna have to be more specific about downloaded software and another pc |
| 13:59.26 | stoned | nvz: yo |
| 13:59.31 | nvz | stoned: yo what? |
| 13:59.36 | stew | dhakatel: you mean, you have installed the debs on one machine, and now you want to install them on another without redownloading them? |
| 13:59.43 | stoned | nvz: yo man what up |
| 14:00.02 | nvz | stoned: not much just pondering a minor security problem |
| 14:00.07 | dhakatel | stew: yap |
| 14:00.09 | stoned | which is? |
| 14:00.34 | dhakatel | stew: how can I do that |
| 14:00.37 | stew | dhakatel: use apt-move |
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| 14:01.12 | nvz | stoned: I was writing a program for web developers to create accounts and upload public keys to the webserver but I'm confused about how to implement it now that I got something that looks somewhat complete |
| 14:01.32 | dhakatel | stew: one pc is in my office and another pc at my home |
| 14:02.00 | stoned | nvz: hey weren't you gonna code a keyboard/guitar app? |
| 14:02.01 | dhakatel | I want a another media like flash drive |
| 14:02.07 | stew | dhakatel: then use apt-zip |
| 14:02.29 | dhakatel | thanks a lot |
| 14:02.30 | asg | stoned: it only plays 'Smoke on the Water' though |
| 14:02.51 | b_jonas | windowmanager workspaces rock |
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| 14:03.04 | nvz | stoned: thats not important.. heh |
| 14:03.26 | stoned | its very important |
| 14:03.39 | nvz | stoned: I've got things higher up on the list.. and my programming skills are rusty I need practice |
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| 14:04.40 | nvz | stoned: http://rafb.net/p/YBcgD610.html this is what I got for the webserver right now I'm wondering if I should just make this adduser.www command I mentioned and set it suid or rework everything I done so far |
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| 14:09.14 | SM7X | hi |
| 14:09.32 | SM7X | i am searching the sourcecode of /bin/login and after hours of googling i did not find it on the gnu-page |
| 14:09.36 | SM7X | lol |
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| 14:09.40 | SM7X | hi Thursley ^^ |
| 14:10.31 | asg | SM7X: apt-get source login |
| 14:10.38 | nvz | obviously I can't do that.. or else I might as well just let everone into the system.. the security is in the wrong place.. I was planning on this script being privlaged to run the adduser when I wrote it.. now I obviously got to move all the verification into the other script that runs suid |
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| 14:12.07 | asg | nvz: better to use sudo than suid so you can better restrict who can run the script with rootly privs |
| 14:12.28 | SM7X | thx asg |
| 14:12.29 | SM7X | :0) |
| 14:12.33 | nvz | asg: yeah but I only want this script to run it.. I don't want to let apache's user run it obviously |
| 14:12.44 | Thursley | login is part of the GNU SASL library |
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| 14:13.09 | nvz | asg: if I can figure out a way that only this script can call it, then I can leave everything as-is cause this script is already verifying everything |
| 14:14.19 | nvz | asg: the security protocol I am using to ultimately add the user requires a time-expiring single-use ticket filled out by the admin that will be removed on any failures |
| 14:14.40 | tarzeau | any of you remember bub-n-bros ? someone made an editor for levels: http://bilious.homelinux.org/~paxed/test/bnbedit/ |
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| 14:17.25 | nvz | I guess I can just say to hell with making the script add users at all and just make it for uploading public keys |
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| 14:18.31 | nvz | I was going to make the authorized_keys files -rw-r--r-- root:root but having them www-data:www-data doesn't seem to make a difference.. they are still world readable and not writable by the users |
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| 14:18.56 | confrey | hi everybody |
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| 14:19.51 | liable | hi Dr Nick |
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| 14:20.32 | Gul | hi, how do i get the mail command in debian? is this part of mailx? |
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| 14:20.32 | flami | anyone have some experience with mod_fcgid , I just switched from mod_fastcgi where i normally used the PHP_FCGI_CHILDREN variable in my startscript to use the php process manager ,as the fastcgi one wanst alwaays efficient. I want to know if I still need to use this with mod_fcgid ( they advertise with their improved PM ). |
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| 14:24.54 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 14:25.01 | HardDisk_WP | how do I find out if my IR is working? |
| 14:25.26 | HardDisk_WP | My motherboard lets me choose if the 2nd serial port should act as a COM port or as a IR port. |
| 14:25.44 | HardDisk_WP | I chose the IR option and can recieve data, but I cant send any data to the IR port |
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| 14:29.51 | confrey | I have installed Firefox from binary tar.gz; I'd like to use with several linux distribution : is there a way to put plugins in an other location than /usr/lib/mozilla? |
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| 14:31.23 | nvz | confrey: that's not exactly on-topic here. You should use the debian package, or ask the firefox developers |
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| 14:33.03 | confrey | I'm using debian etch, so I was thinking this was the right place to ask... |
| 14:33.13 | infernix | how can I get dpgk-buildpackage to pass -j3 to make? export MAKEOPTS=-j3 doesn't seem to work |
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| 14:33.27 | asg | confrey: non-package software should never put anything in /usr/lib. It should go in /usr/local/lib or fully in /opt/<software> |
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| 14:34.26 | abrotman | infernix: in the rules |
| 14:34.52 | nvz | confrey: in debian etch we use the debian etch packages but asg better answered your question if you must use 3rd party software |
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| 14:35.59 | infernix | abrotman: export MAKEOPTS there or is there a DH_MAKEOPTS sort of var? |
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| 14:37.10 | abrotman | maybe the CFLAGS ? |
| 14:37.21 | abrotman | wait .. that's not right is it ? |
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| 14:38.03 | confrey | asg, so, I have firefox installed in a dir /dati/firefox; I have linked firefox in /usr/bin; when I change distribution, I only link firefox again, and bookmarks too |
| 14:38.29 | confrey | asg, how can I install plugins to have them avalaible in all distributions? |
| 14:38.34 | h3sp4wn | infernix: try - CONCURRENCY_LEVEL (at least with make-kpkg you are not supposed to set MAKEOPTS directly) |
| 14:38.48 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: it doesn't work there AIUI |
| 14:38.53 | infernix | can't be CFLAGS |
| 14:38.57 | infernix | it'll pass -j3 to gcc |
| 14:39.20 | abrotman | i see a $(MAKE) |
| 14:39.44 | infernix | its not CONC* |
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| 14:40.33 | asg | confrey: the firefox package from mozilla.org should not put plugins in /usr/lib. If it does, that's a bug. Plugins should go in /dati/firefox/<odd funky string>/plugins |
| 14:40.34 | infernix | hmm, might be export MAKE=make -j3 |
| 14:40.57 | h3sp4wn | there should be a better way to do it than that |
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| 14:41.10 | infernix | getting an error while building now though. hmm |
| 14:41.34 | abrotman | gmake ? |
| 14:41.58 | h3sp4wn | make is gmake isn't it (except on bsd) |
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| 14:42.21 | abrotman | hrm .. okay |
| 14:43.03 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: and solaris |
| 14:43.06 | abrotman | last i used it anyways |
| 14:43.14 | confrey | asg thanks |
| 14:43.52 | infernix | ${MAKE} --> ${MAKE} -j3 |
| 14:43.54 | infernix | rest isnt working |
| 14:44.08 | infernix | thats fine though, but not all rules scripts use ${MAKE} |
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| 14:47.33 | smacnay | Is there a gcstar app for cataloging things? |
| 14:47.41 | smacnay | I can't find it in my repositories. |
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| 14:49.52 | Debdict | hi, how come that under stable install of hotplug wants remove kernel2.6-18-4 and hal? |
| 14:50.09 | valdyn | Debdict: why are you trying to install 'hotplug' ? |
| 14:50.24 | Debdict | i want usbsticks to automatically mount |
| 14:50.30 | Debdict | and i do not use gnome, but xfce or flux |
| 14:50.36 | valdyn | Debdict: install udev |
| 14:50.39 | Debdict | oh right |
| 14:50.47 | Debdict | *pokes hisself in the eye* |
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| 14:50.49 | Debdict | thx |
| 14:50.51 | Debdict | forgot about that one |
| 14:51.09 | Debdict | and uhm |
| 14:51.16 | Debdict | how do i make udev mount automatically again? |
| 14:51.18 | valdyn | Debdict: and ivman |
| 14:51.27 | valdyn | Debdict: you dont, that's not udevs job |
| 14:51.39 | Debdict | what do i need for that |
| 14:51.44 | valdyn | ivman |
| 14:51.47 | Debdict | k |
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| 14:51.54 | Debdict | i'll rtfm, thx |
| 14:52.55 | shingouz | valdyn: dpkg says ivman is on testing and unstable only |
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| 14:54.21 | valdyn | ops |
| 14:54.43 | valdyn | shingouz: hmm, dpkg lies |
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| 14:55.20 | valdyn | !info ivman etch |
| 14:55.29 | dpkg | ivman: (daemon to auto-mount and manage media devices), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.6.12-5 (etch), Packaged size: 57 kB, Installed size: 272 kB |
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| 14:55.54 | shingouz | valdyn: hehe... you better tell him about it, i do not want to risk him getting angry at me |
| 14:56.00 | shingouz | !ivman |
| 14:56.00 | dpkg | somebody said ivman was an alternative to gnome-volume-manager that uses dbus and hal to be notified (upon other things) about when volumes are attached and detached allowing you to auto-mount or run scripts. http://ivman.sf.net. It is currently in testing and unstable only. |
| 14:56.17 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: Yeah and Solaris / (probably IRIX and the others as well - but typing gmake is the least of your problems then) |
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| 14:56.29 | valdyn | dpkg: ivman =~ s/ It is currently in testing and unstable only.// |
| 14:56.29 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
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| 14:56.33 | valdyn | !ivman |
| 14:56.33 | dpkg | methinks ivman is an alternative to gnome-volume-manager that uses dbus and hal to be notified (upon other things) about when volumes are attached and detached allowing you to auto-mount or run scripts. http://ivman.sf.net. |
| 14:57.07 | shingouz | nice |
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| 15:01.28 | Debdict | thx anybody |
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| 15:02.48 | Ace_NoOne | hi - can anyone explain why the following command does not work (I want to remove trailing spaces): |
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| 15:02.56 | Ace_NoOne | find . -name *.php -exec sed -e s/\s+$//g {} \; |
| 15:03.51 | asg | Ace_NoOne: I *think* that's answered in the FAQ (http://www.faqs.org/faqs/editor-faq/sed/) |
| 15:04.03 | Ace_NoOne | ok thx |
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| 15:10.27 | Ace_NoOne | asg: that solution works only with spaces and tabs, not with newlines |
| 15:11.27 | asg | Ace_NoOne: section 5.10 indicates why you can't remove a newline with sed using '\n' |
| 15:11.46 | Ace_NoOne | oooh I remember |
| 15:12.03 | Ace_NoOne | that's why I stopped my efforts yesterday (I was sleepy... ) |
| 15:12.26 | asg | hehe, I've always removed newlines with "... | tr -d '\n'" |
| 15:12.53 | Ace_NoOne | asg: oculd you explain that? (I'm still new to the Linux CLI) |
| 15:12.58 | Ace_NoOne | *could |
| 15:13.14 | Lukian | man tr |
| 15:13.18 | asg | Ace_NoOne: tr(1) is a utility to translate characters in various ways. |
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| 15:13.45 | Ace_NoOne | yeah, but that won't work with RegEx!? |
| 15:13.52 | Ace_NoOne | so no "\n$" |
| 15:15.00 | Lukian | I could be wrong, but doesn't $ mean end of line? |
| 15:15.06 | Lukian | where else are you going to find a line break? :p |
| 15:15.19 | asg | Ace_NoOne: it supports gnu classes like [:blank:]. If you are mangling a lot of text, I'd look at perl though. |
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| 15:15.55 | Ace_NoOne | Lukian: $ means end of string - which might contain line breaks (though since SED works on a per-line basis... ) |
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| 15:16.25 | Ace_NoOne | asg: I'll look into perl then... who woulda thought stripping trailing spaces was be this difficult... |
| 15:16.47 | DavidProck1981 | any one know how to tell it a video is in NTSC or PAL, what program would i use |
| 15:17.00 | xand | DavidProck1981: video files aren't either |
| 15:17.01 | asg | Ace_NoOne: it isn't difficult in perl because it has much richer regex language |
| 15:17.12 | Ace_NoOne | asg: could you give me a head start? |
| 15:17.20 | Ace_NoOne | i.e. a quick example? |
| 15:17.47 | DavidProck1981 | xand r u sure |
| 15:17.53 | Gryfelhase | To tell whom, a video? is pal or ntsc? |
| 15:18.09 | xand | DavidProck1981: pardon? |
| 15:18.15 | DavidProck1981 | well....... |
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| 15:18.23 | xand | !u |
| 15:18.23 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 15:19.08 | Gryfelhase | David: A framegrapper? A tv-card? a software-videoplayer? |
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| 15:19.16 | Gryfelhase | -pp +bb |
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| 15:19.21 | DavidProck1981 | when i used to use windows with Nero, on some .avi files it would tell me it is in PAL format and it needs to be converted |
| 15:19.34 | DavidProck1981 | and on some i would not get that message |
| 15:19.41 | DavidProck1981 | xand? |
| 15:19.44 | asg | Ace_NoOne: <somelist of files> | perl -ne 's/[ +|\n]//g;print' |
| 15:19.54 | Ace_NoOne | thx asg |
| 15:20.09 | archangelpetro | !lol |
| 15:20.09 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 15:20.13 | asg | Ace_NoOne: there are innumerable ways to do it but look at perlre(1) manpage |
| 15:20.22 | Gryfelhase | david: You're using nero playing avi files or burning them as....... dvd? vcd? svcd? |
| 15:20.35 | Ace_NoOne | will do, asg |
| 15:20.36 | DavidProck1981 | burning as dvd |
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| 15:21.10 | Gryfelhase | ok.... you want to burn (standard)-dvds... |
| 15:21.17 | DavidProck1981 | ya |
| 15:21.28 | Gryfelhase | you can transform videos in other formats with avidemux |
| 15:21.52 | Gryfelhase | in seperate work |
| 15:22.33 | Gryfelhase | but I'm not familar with standard-dvds.... usede it just to cut avis and make xvids out of it |
| 15:22.34 | DavidProck1981 | im installing avidemux as of now |
| 15:22.40 | Hungmanmoojoo | umm.. hi!.. i have some questions |
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| 15:23.09 | Hungmanmoojoo | anyone Here guru at package management? |
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| 15:23.31 | Lukian | Hungmanmoojoo, just ask your question. |
| 15:23.38 | Lukian | You'll either get answered or not :p |
| 15:23.43 | Hungmanmoojoo | hehe |
| 15:23.46 | Hungmanmoojoo | sure |
| 15:23.49 | Gryfelhase | David: There may be somewhere in debian (nonfree or so) win32-codecs |
| 15:24.04 | Gryfelhase | so thjat you can see more formats |
| 15:24.28 | frank | debian-multimedia.org iirc |
| 15:24.30 | DavidProck1981 | ive got the w32codecs |
| 15:24.34 | Hungmanmoojoo | how do i remove a package thats in a metapackage.. without aptitude wanting me to remove the whole shebang? |
| 15:24.58 | Lukian | Hungmanmoojoo, are you using ubuntu? :p |
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| 15:25.39 | DavidProck1981 | how can i get a man page for avidemux |
| 15:25.53 | shingouz | Gryfelhase: /msg dpkg debian multimedia |
| 15:25.54 | Hungmanmoojoo | uh no |
| 15:26.10 | Hungmanmoojoo | i'm on debian... lenny right now |
| 15:26.20 | Lukian | Hmm, I haven't had that issue since using debian as I install the minimum packages possible :o |
| 15:26.23 | Kevin` | Hungmanmoojoo what does it matter if the metapackage swere removed? |
| 15:27.36 | frank | Hungmanmoojoo: tried aptitude -R remove <package> ? |
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| 15:28.31 | Haris | Is this mirror slow -> http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-dvd/debian-40r0-i386-DVD-1.iso |
| 15:28.32 | Hungmanmoojoo | eh ok... take this senario.. my cdplayer doesnt work.. i want to remove the cd burnig software that comes with gnome-desktop.. aptitude tells me.. "ok.. if you dont need cd burner.. then you dont need gnome." |
| 15:28.33 | Ace_NoOne | asg: I can't get this to work, as I have no idea how to operate the perl command - and the man pages didn't really help me |
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| 15:28.50 | Hungmanmoojoo | nope frank |
| 15:28.57 | Hungmanmoojoo | whats -R |
| 15:28.58 | Kevin` | Hungmanmoojoo removing just the gnome metapackage won't remove all the gnome stuff |
| 15:28.58 | Hungmanmoojoo | ? |
| 15:29.06 | frank | man aptitude |
| 15:29.25 | Haris | Is this mirror slow? -> http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-dvd/debian-40r0-i386-DVD-1.iso |
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| 15:29.36 | Kevin` | Haris I don't know, is it? |
| 15:29.45 | Haris | I'm only getting 7KB/s off of it |
| 15:29.52 | Haris | It makes me think my adsl is not working properly |
| 15:30.16 | Hungmanmoojoo | hmm.. it was a couple of months i tried it.. but i'm sure it wanted me to basically remove my whole system.. |
| 15:30.38 | Kevin` | Haris i'm getting about 50 from it, but it' |
| 15:30.41 | Kevin` | s intermittant |
| 15:30.48 | Haris | Could someone please check? Pleaes try downloading 2-25 odd MBs off of it |
| 15:30.55 | Haris | ah |
| 15:31.07 | Haris | So, it does come way down? |
| 15:31.13 | Haris | What's a faster one? |
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| 15:31.46 | Kevin` | I pick fairly randomly or use the round robin names |
| 15:31.53 | Hungmanmoojoo | ok.. i'll be back later.. i'll play around a bit |
| 15:32.36 | Hungmanmoojoo | do you guys think its better to use aptitude than synaptic? |
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| 15:33.01 | Kevin` | ya, I'd need to start a gui to use synaptic |
| 15:33.49 | Hungmanmoojoo | well.. i'm in gnome |
| 15:35.00 | Hungmanmoojoo | but i want to change to enlightment e17.. and that wants unstable... and i want to minimize the packages that can crash the system.. |
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| 15:35.40 | Lukian | I'm using unstable and the only thing segfault'ing on me is kopete on msn :p |
| 15:35.54 | shingouz | Hungmanmoojoo: if you have to ask questions like taht do not install sid please, you will bork your system eventually |
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| 15:37.00 | Lukian | Indeed, you should know how to fix any issues you may encounter before using sid ;) |
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| 15:37.31 | liable | well, be prepared to learn at any rate.. |
| 15:37.51 | Lukian | hehe true |
| 15:38.32 | Hungmanmoojoo | umm. but is there a way to use enlightenment dr17 without ubgrading to unstable? |
| 15:38.56 | mosno | Hungmanmoojoo: backport the sid package maybe |
| 15:39.05 | mosno | Hungmanmoojoo: check out pbuilder |
| 15:39.06 | liable | sid has e17? |
| 15:39.06 | Hungmanmoojoo | backport? |
| 15:39.18 | h3sp4wn | When did sid get e17 ? |
| 15:39.23 | Hungmanmoojoo | no |
| 15:39.27 | mosno | it's pretty hardcore stuff. you could always check E17's site and just build from cvs or whatever |
| 15:39.38 | mosno | liable: no idea, i'm presuming he's done a search. |
| 15:39.43 | Hungmanmoojoo | but e17 needs librarys that are in sid |
| 15:39.59 | h3sp4wn | It doesn't |
| 15:40.08 | Haris | Getting much better speed off the other miror |
| 15:40.16 | Hungmanmoojoo | ok? |
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| 15:40.19 | SKOM | hi |
| 15:40.25 | Haris | I have cd1 and I'm downloading DVD1 as wlel |
| 15:40.31 | Haris | Can I use both just to install |
| 15:40.35 | h3sp4wn | Hungmanmoojoo: use - http://omicron.homeip.net/projects/easy_e17/easy_e17.sh |
| 15:40.41 | Haris | do a basic install with some apps |
| 15:40.43 | SKOM | i have problem with my PC. i am running Etch 4.0 |
| 15:41.00 | Haris | Correction I have cd1 at office, not here :| |
| 15:41.02 | h3sp4wn | Hungmanmoojoo: or checkout the cvs and use dpkg-buildpackage in the right order (I forget what the order is though) |
| 15:41.11 | SKOM | Not found any [active partition] in HDD |
| 15:41.12 | SKOM | DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSTERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS NETER |
| 15:41.21 | SKOM | does anybody know what problem is it ? |
| 15:41.37 | Hungmanmoojoo | umm. compiling is abit out of my league |
| 15:41.42 | tvynr | SKOM: Did you set the bootable flag on your root partition? |
| 15:41.52 | mosno | tvynr: you dont need to for leenarks |
| 15:41.55 | liable | SKOM: sounds like your bios isnt seeing your disk |
| 15:41.57 | SKOM | when i boot using booting floppy and select "boot from HDD" its ok, |
| 15:42.04 | mosno | SKOM: your bootloader is probably shagged |
| 15:42.08 | tvynr | monso: Something tells me that wasn't actually for me? |
| 15:42.22 | SKOM | ok, so what i should do |
| 15:42.30 | SKOM | try to repair grub |
| 15:42.35 | h3sp4wn | Hungmanmoojoo: The edevelop repository is only for sid afaik |
| 15:42.39 | mosno | s/tvynr/liable |
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| 15:42.46 | tvynr | mosno: :) |
| 15:42.59 | bonez44 | ethernet/debian3.1/network is up...yet...(here's my question) I can email out...I run exim4...and mutt as my mail client, but I can't get any email IN...nothing comes in... but was working fine yesterday |
| 15:43.01 | mosno | tvynr: nothing a little irc-sed can't fix ;) |
| 15:43.14 | bonez44 | I ran apt-get dist-upgrade yesterday...and it upgraded evolution, which I don't use now, but I can't remove it as it would rip gnome out too...would an evolution upgrade wipe out exim4 for incoming email? |
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| 15:43.54 | mosno | bonez44: uninstall the gnome metapackage then uninstall evolution |
| 15:43.55 | Kevin` | bonez44 rip out gnome? removing the 'gnome' package won't actually remove any files |
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| 15:44.24 | mosno | bonez44: you can check what depends on evo easily by loading aptitude, finding evolution package and pressing 'r' on it |
| 15:44.29 | bonez44 | Kevin`, but I use and like gnome environment....will it take it down, if i remove gnome? |
| 15:44.40 | bonez44 | mosno, I'll try aptitude first |
| 15:44.42 | wols_ | bonez44: no. it's a metapackage only |
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| 15:45.21 | h3sp4wn | Hungmanmoojoo: You could try the elive repository but then you run the risk of people in here saying you are no longer running Debian |
| 15:45.29 | mosno | bonez44: not unless you installed 'gnome' via aptitude and aptitude marked it's deps as automatic |
| 15:45.42 | Hungmanmoojoo | i think bonez is having the same problem as me |
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| 15:45.50 | bonez44 | mosno, I am pretty sure I ran apt-get install gnome to install it |
| 15:45.57 | mosno | bonez44: in which case the simple way to do it would be use apt-get to remove gnome package, since apt-get doesn't know about the auto-dps |
| 15:46.01 | mosno | bonez44: then you're sweet. |
| 15:46.14 | bonez44 | Hungmanmoojoo, do you host your own email? mine has worked fine until yesterday, after mailing out to a mailman list |
| 15:46.25 | Hungmanmoojoo | nonono |
| 15:46.30 | Hungmanmoojoo | i dont host email |
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| 15:46.46 | Hungmanmoojoo | im experimenti with debian |
| 15:47.14 | SKOM | how can i find that my root partition have set bootable flag ? |
| 15:47.20 | Hungmanmoojoo | how do i use teh elive repo h3sp4wn? |
| 15:47.40 | bonez44 | mosno, I have gdm as my manager when I boot up... to give me my GUI...will removing gnome wipe that out too? |
| 15:47.49 | mosno | SKOM: fdisk on the drive and 'p' to list the partition table |
| 15:48.35 | h3sp4wn | Hungmanmoojoo: I don't know - (I know they do have one though and afaik they are based on etch) |
| 15:48.52 | SKOM | ok i have list of /dev/hda |
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| 15:49.18 | SKOM | where can i see it ? |
| 15:49.26 | mosno | SKOM: see the Boot column? |
| 15:49.37 | SKOM | boot partition ? |
| 15:49.39 | gladiatr | hey all |
| 15:49.41 | mosno | SKOM: column. |
| 15:49.49 | SKOM | bo |
| 15:49.50 | SKOM | no |
| 15:49.52 | mosno | co |
| 15:49.53 | XJih78 | hi everyone |
| 15:49.53 | mosno | yes |
| 15:49.54 | Hungmanmoojoo | ok.. |
| 15:49.55 | mosno | :P |
| 15:49.58 | XJih78 | i have a little issue with samba |
| 15:50.16 | tvynr | expound ;) |
| 15:50.24 | Hungmanmoojoo | h3sp4wn: but are they using dr17? |
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| 15:50.41 | SKOM | hmmmm |
| 15:50.44 | h3sp4wn | Hungmanmoojoo: . |
| 15:51.32 | Hungmanmoojoo | .? |
| 15:51.57 | XJih78 | http://paste.debian.net/31709 |
| 15:53.19 | Haris | I want to install debian in MS Virtual Server 2005 environment. Should I be aware of pitfalls? |
| 15:53.20 | mosno | XJih78: can the nobody user access ur files? |
| 15:53.26 | mosno | XJih78: i'm guessing no |
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| 15:53.32 | XJih78 | no. should it? |
| 15:53.35 | h3sp4wn | Hungmanmoojoo: please don't ask me any more questions (I wouldn't have said use their repo if they were not) |
| 15:53.35 | Juz_moi | !help |
| 15:53.36 | Jerom80 | Here is the help you requested: |
| 15:53.36 | Jerom80 | !seen <nick> will display the last seen info for <nick> |
| 15:53.36 | Jerom80 | !quote add <nick> "<quote>" will add <quote> for <nick>. If a quote exists, this will overwrite the current quote. |
| 15:53.36 | Jerom80 | !quote <nick> will return quote for <nick> if one exists |
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| 15:53.40 | mosno | XJih78: not by convention. |
| 15:53.44 | dpkg | Jerom80: i haven't seen '<nick> will display the last seen info for <nick>' |
| 15:53.46 | dpkg | WILL: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A 11:-47am, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; RETURN: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; QUOTE: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; FOR: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; IF: 10.4199 (10.43/10.30), 6/29/2007 3:59pm, Opened 10.30, Volume 30,200, Change +0.1999 ;; ONE: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; EXISTS: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), ... |
| 15:53.47 | Haris | I have a local testing server at home I want to run multiple OS off of it |
| 15:53.51 | dpkg | ADD: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A 10:-92am, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; WILL: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; ADD: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; FOR: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A -17:32am, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; .: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A -18:20am, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; IF: 10.4199 (10.43/10.30), 6/29/2007 3:59pm, Opened 10.30, Volume 30,200, Change +0.1999 ;; A: 38.44 ... |
| 15:53.52 | mosno | XJih78: check that ur guest account line is valid |
| 15:53.53 | Kevin` | Haris other then virtual server bieng a bad choice for server virtualization IMO, I think it will work fine |
| 15:54.09 | liable | oh dear, dpkg is having a fit |
| 15:54.13 | XJih78 | in the config file there is guest account = xjih78 |
| 15:54.17 | stew | liable: its Jerom80's fault |
| 15:54.28 | liable | dpkg: are you ok? do you need a bex? |
| 15:54.31 | Haris | I want to install debian in MS Virtual Server 2005 environment. Should I be aware of pitfalls? I have a local testing server at home I want to run multiple OS off of it |
| 15:54.34 | liable | stew: ya |
| 15:54.35 | Haris | oops |
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| 15:54.50 | Haris | Kevin`: bad choice? How? |
| 15:54.53 | XJih78 | drwxrwxrwx 14 xjih78 665534 4096 Jun 25 23:58 .. |
| 15:54.55 | mosno | XJih78: find $sharepoint ! -user $shareuser |
| 15:55.01 | sweetandy | it would appear that gnome-terminal is my default X session. How might I change this to xterm? |
| 15:55.09 | Kevin` | Haris for production, it doesn't have as good performance as other options |
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| 15:55.10 | sweetandy | pardon me, X-session emulator |
| 15:55.21 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@IGLD-83-130-224-196.inter.net.il] by stew |
| 15:55.27 | mosno | XJih78: then do one for -perm to make sure the $shareuser can read files and read+execute dirs |
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| 15:55.54 | Haris | Kevin`: Well, I mentioned its a home system for local testing to work on my skills |
| 15:56.03 | XJih78 | mosno, sorry. i didn't quite understand. |
| 15:56.09 | Kevin` | Haris which, of course, is fine ;) |
| 15:56.21 | Haris | What's a good linux based vm I can use? free/open source one :-) |
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| 15:56.26 | mosno | XJih78: which bit |
| 15:56.40 | nvz | stew: I reported that host to the staff weeks ago.. /who his host and you can tell he's up to something.. running bots all over the place |
| 15:56.46 | bonez44 | mosno, I loaded aptitude..and hit 'g' and it's ripping out several applications I use every day....is it really? or just packages..just .debs for them? |
| 15:56.49 | bonez44 | I am nervous now |
| 15:56.51 | mosno | Haris: xen or kvm ftw, but only on intel vt or amd pacifica capable procs |
| 15:56.52 | Hungmanmoojoo | umm.. did i offend you h3sp4wn? or dont ya know how to help me? :) |
| 15:56.56 | Haris | ftw? |
| 15:57.00 | Kevin` | Haris does it need to be open source? I rather like vmware. qemu is completely open source and fairly fast. xen is awesome in every way if you have the proper hardware. virtualbox i've never tried |
| 15:57.04 | XJih78 | "find $sharepoint ! -user $shareuser" and "do one for -perm" |
| 15:57.05 | mosno | Haris: for the win |
| 15:57.08 | Haris | I'm an intel guy |
| 15:57.13 | xand | bonez44: yes, it's probably removing them cos it's crap and thinks you don't want them |
| 15:57.20 | Haris | I thin AMD procs' heat up big time |
| 15:57.26 | h3sp4wn | mosno: xen is best with paravirt |
| 15:57.32 | Haris | and I'm rich enough to own A/C units for me |
| 15:57.34 | mosno | Haris: which intel proc |
| 15:57.38 | Haris | own/use |
| 15:57.48 | bonez44 | xand, what the hell.. Ineed to purge aptitude from my system then.... |
| 15:57.48 | Haris | think+ |
| 15:58.02 | mosno | bonez44: why? |
| 15:58.09 | nvz | stew: I thought they were just silent logging bots, as they respond to the command !seen but who knows what this person is planning to do with all those clones |
| 15:58.11 | xand | bonez44: there's a way of making it not do that, but i dont know how |
| 15:58.15 | Kevin` | Haris for testing I normally use qemu, as it supports a wide range of configuration quickly |
| 15:58.28 | XJih78 | mosno, "find $sharepoint ! -user $shareuser" and "do one for -perm" |
| 15:58.32 | stew | nvz: i'm notifying RichiH, thanks for the headsup |
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| 15:58.55 | mosno | XJih78: guest account should own all the files and be able to r-x dirs and r-- files |
| 15:59.02 | cookie | :D |
| 15:59.03 | Kevin` | Haris_ eh, did you get disconnected? |
| 15:59.05 | mosno | XJih78: get it? |
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| 15:59.19 | Haris | I think so, I'm not sure why, I'm on broadband |
| 15:59.27 | Kevin` | Haris for testing I normally use qemu, as it supports a wide range of configuration quickly |
| 15:59.32 | XJih78 | mosno, drwxrwxrwx 4 xjih78 xjih78 4096 Jun 8 23:02 . and same for the other subdirs |
| 15:59.49 | valdyn | !kvm |
| 15:59.49 | dpkg | kvm is probably kernel virtual memory (kernel address space), or keyboard/video/mouse Or Kernel-based Virtual Machine. check http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/Debian for installation instructions. |
| 15:59.51 | mosno | XJih78: also from your log it shows that user nobody is guest, nor ur custom user |
| 15:59.52 | Haris | Time to brace for load shedding |
| 15:59.56 | Haris | bbl folks |
| 16:00.02 | Haris | ..and Thanks! |
| 16:00.11 | XJih78 | mosno, yeah im trying to understand why |
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| 16:00.15 | bonez44 | xand, in the future..I should just never run aptitude, right? |
| 16:00.21 | mosno | XJih78: testparm |
| 16:00.28 | mosno | XJih78: run it on your config file |
| 16:00.30 | valdyn | bonez44: what?? |
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| 16:01.08 | bonez44 | valdyn, I opened aptitude...hoping it would clear up some problems..I hit 'g' to have it proceed with listed tasks..and it wiped out several applications I use al the time |
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| 16:01.43 | valdyn | bonez44: so reinstall those and read the aptitude docs? |
| 16:01.48 | liable | damn, i'm gonna have to hide from Guerin for a few days. the all blacks are kicking our ass.. |
| 16:01.50 | mosno | bonez44: you should have disabled autodepds |
| 16:01.53 | mosno | -d |
| 16:02.07 | valdyn | bonez44: its the recommended package manager, and i suppose it will remain that for the forseeable future |
| 16:02.18 | mosno | people seriously need to rtfm |
| 16:02.28 | mosno | unless there is no rtfm |
| 16:02.34 | bonez44 | valdyn, but ... when it wipes out stuff..that I want and need and use? |
| 16:02.39 | mosno | but there is for most problems i've seen in the last 20min |
| 16:02.42 | bonez44 | it's never done that to me before..in the past |
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| 16:02.56 | h3sp4wn | bonez44: use unmarkauto |
| 16:03.05 | valdyn | bonez44: you should only use aptitude, probably, and RTFM |
| 16:03.25 | bonez44 | ok, jpilot is back...after reinstall |
| 16:03.38 | bonez44 | valdyn, most of the time I run apt-get |
| 16:03.51 | liable | dont mix and match the two |
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| 16:04.01 | mosno | i remember the old days in here i'd get yelled at for not rtfm ing |
| 16:04.04 | valdyn | bonez44: yea, i know, that's why aptitude acted seemingly weird |
| 16:04.06 | liable | aptitude will sometime have a fit and remove a shitload of stuff |
| 16:04.09 | XJih78 | mosno, on the [upload] section it doesn't show the defined guest account |
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| 16:04.49 | mosno | XJih78: nice |
| 16:05.35 | XJih78 | what does this mean? |
| 16:05.35 | bonez44 | liable, why the hell would I want to deal with something like aptitude that has a mind of its own then? I am married? I have enough fun being married to a woman who does what the hell ever she wants..I'd think my computer would be a bit more predictable |
| 16:05.35 | XJih78 | everything else is ok |
| 16:05.55 | valdyn | bonez44: this is a feature of aptitude, not a 'mind of its own'. You are not supposed to mix aptitude with using different package managers |
| 16:05.57 | mosno | XJih78: bonez44 aptitude is predictable if you spend time learning it. it has reasonably good doc. |
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| 16:06.10 | valdyn | bonez44: if you want to use a different package manager, DONT use aptitude at all |
| 16:06.14 | Hungmanmoojoo | i've kinda read aptitude manual. but i dont understand half of it... that is probably th biggest problem |
| 16:06.31 | limpio | try wajig is pretty good |
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| 16:06.47 | limpio | it's simple |
| 16:06.49 | bonez44 | mosno, ok, clearly, I need to and will read the aptitude documentation |
| 16:06.50 | dondelelcaro | bonez44: just mentally map all of your apt-get actions onto aptitude, you'll be ok |
| 16:06.56 | mosno | valdyn: turn off autodeps and install-recommended and you've got a souped up apt-get |
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| 16:07.03 | zekus_ | hello there |
| 16:07.13 | valdyn | bonez44: ^^^ what mosno said |
| 16:07.21 | zekus_ | i have a fresh installation of debian testing. but i can not boot the system. |
| 16:07.21 | mosno | :) |
| 16:07.32 | mosno | zekus_: Etch! |
| 16:07.49 | zekus_ | it saya while mouting the root /dev/sda1 does not exist ana drop to busybox |
| 16:07.59 | zekus_ | i have a sata disk |
| 16:08.01 | dondelelcaro | mosno: you pretty much don't want to do that; apt-get in unstable also already supports both of those. just as aptitutde does. |
| 16:08.05 | XJih78 | http://paste.debian.net/31709 |
| 16:08.15 | valdyn | zekus_: we cant support beta installers very well, any reason why you did not install etch first? |
| 16:08.15 | mosno | dondelelcaro: no shit. |
| 16:08.16 | XJih78 | sorry abt that |
| 16:08.42 | mosno | dondelelcaro: is lenny to switch away from aptitude as the recommended default? |
| 16:08.46 | dondelelcaro | mosno: no. |
| 16:09.00 | zekus_ | i had downloaded it 3 weeks ago and i use the classic installer |
| 16:09.13 | wols_ | zekus_: why did you install testing? |
| 16:09.29 | mosno | dondelelcaro: then why wouldn't i want to turn off the dangerous/differentiating features of aptitude if they seem to trip me up? |
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| 16:09.33 | Hungmanmoojoo | is man aptitude the whole manual flr aptitude? |
| 16:09.42 | mosno | Hungmanmoojoo: no |
| 16:09.47 | zekus_ | not special reason i think it was more update |
| 16:09.50 | mosno | Hungmanmoojoo: install aptitude-doc-en |
| 16:09.54 | valdyn | Hungmanmoojoo: aptitude-doc-en |
| 16:10.02 | stew | Hungmanmoojoo: /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README or install aptitude-doc-en and read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html |
| 16:10.08 | Hungmanmoojoo | is that better that man aptitude? |
| 16:10.12 | zekus_ | i can not see anything about sda or hda with ls /dev at busybox |
| 16:10.20 | mosno | Hungmanmoojoo: it's like supersizing your meal combo |
| 16:10.29 | Hungmanmoojoo | hehe |
| 16:10.37 | valdyn | zekus_: use the stable installer, then come back if it does not work |
| 16:10.47 | mosno | stable is the key |
| 16:10.50 | Hungmanmoojoo | but damn... i'm not THAT hungry :) |
| 16:10.51 | dondelelcaro | mosno: because neither of those features are dangerous. The first of them is extreemly useful if you have the manually/automatically installed list setup, and the second is a almost always what you want. Failure to install recommends is a problem that we deal with here quite often. |
| 16:11.17 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: it just confuses the hell out of *some* people |
| 16:11.25 | mosno | dondelelcaro: agreed. but this guy here thinks it's a pos just because he doesn't understand it. so i made a suggestion to him. |
| 16:11.46 | mosno | i also yelled RTFM! from the rooftops :) |
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| 16:12.14 | Hungmanmoojoo | uhh.. now you lost me |
| 16:12.16 | dondelelcaro | mosno: I'm pointing out that it's not a useful suggestion; the right thing to do is to learn how to use the tools, not turn off their useful features |
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| 16:12.39 | mosno | dondelelcaro: yaar. defenetely lrrn. yrr. |
| 16:12.40 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: probably... but as things move on, it'll start to appear natural. |
| 16:13.06 | valdyn | right, no more 'how do i remove gnome' |
| 16:13.06 | Hungmanmoojoo | umm.. hmm.. |
| 16:13.11 | valdyn | ( or less at least ) |
| 16:13.15 | mosno | i missed aptitude and non-broken packages when i moved to sid (like a fool, for the new gnome) |
| 16:13.28 | mosno | so i banished myself to a non-gnome sawfish etch |
| 16:13.39 | Hungmanmoojoo | is there no aptitude in sid? |
| 16:13.46 | Enverex | lol |
| 16:13.47 | mosno | Hungmanmoojoo: it was broken at the time |
| 16:13.52 | Hungmanmoojoo | ah |
| 16:13.57 | Hungmanmoojoo | whew |
| 16:14.04 | mosno | Hungmanmoojoo: so was something else, openoffice or something |
| 16:14.07 | Hungmanmoojoo | you really scared me there.. |
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| 16:14.35 | dondelelcaro | it's been quite a while since aptitude has been broken in etch, though occasionally you can't upgrade if libapt is transitioning. |
| 16:14.40 | dondelelcaro | s/etch/unstable/ |
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| 16:14.58 | Hungmanmoojoo | what are backports? |
| 16:15.02 | SKOM | I must work with instalation disc. I have it saved on disk like *.iso, can i work with it ? can Debian work with iso images ? |
| 16:15.06 | wols_ | !backport |
| 16:15.07 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get ... |
| 16:15.30 | dondelelcaro | mosno: xterm doesn't have a problem with it, nor does rxvt... |
| 16:15.33 | wols_ | SKOM: of course it can |
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| 16:15.43 | mosno | dondelelcaro: why is my system broken? i'm too dumb to figure it out. |
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| 16:16.03 | mosno | i think i need to redefine xterm escapes sent |
| 16:16.08 | SKOM | wols_: and how can i run instalation from iso ? |
| 16:16.22 | wols_ | SKOM: you can't |
| 16:16.32 | wols_ | but you can always use debootstrap |
| 16:16.34 | mosno | but i figure this should be done by default in Etch, and can't for the life of my figure out what i might have done wrong to cause this issue |
| 16:16.56 | Hungmanmoojoo | if i need librarys that are in unstable.. is it better to run etch with backports or mininimize the amount of packages and run sid.? |
| 16:17.06 | dondelelcaro | mosno: UXTerm*metaSendsEscape: true <-- this is what you want in your .Xresources |
| 16:17.22 | wols_ | Hungmanmoojoo: usually backports |
| 16:17.24 | SKOM | wols_: naaaah, but i do not know how to usi debootstrap |
| 16:17.25 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you've got alt assigned to meta1) |
| 16:17.55 | mosno | dondelelcaro: thanks. do you know the rationale for why that isn't a Debian default? |
| 16:17.59 | Hungmanmoojoo | damn this is hard... |
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| 16:19.08 | dondelelcaro | mosno: because that's the default upstream, for whatever reason |
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| 16:19.40 | Hungmanmoojoo | ok. |
| 16:19.42 | Hungmanmoojoo | .. |
| 16:20.27 | Hungmanmoojoo | c ya later.. thanx for all the help |
| 16:20.27 | mosno | dondelelcaro: lol, that fixed uxterm but causes xterm regular alphabet keys to print letters with accents and stuff |
| 16:20.40 | mosno | iirc the source reads 'abandon all hope all ye who enter here' |
| 16:20.45 | mosno | or somethign like that |
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| 16:20.52 | Hungmanmoojoo | especially h3s |
| 16:20.58 | Hungmanmoojoo | later |
| 16:21.06 | dondelelcaro | mosno: so set 8bitInput: false |
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| 16:28.13 | cottima | hello, does anyone use ntfsclone? part of ntfsprogs |
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| 16:29.03 | tarzeau | cottima: i've used dd to clone windows systems |
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| 16:30.10 | Kevin` | cottima i've used it, worked fine.. |
| 16:30.54 | cottima | Kevin` (the great), how are you? |
| 16:30.54 | dpkg | cottima: mas o menos |
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| 16:31.10 | System_aqp | hola |
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| 16:31.15 | Kevin` | cottima fine |
| 16:31.41 | cottima | Kevin` about the special image format... |
| 16:32.00 | Kevin` | yes? |
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| 16:33.03 | cottima | Kevin` it says the sif conserves space, but if I do not use it that it can mount the image (as an ntfs parition). Is it possible to mount a special image format? |
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| 16:33.24 | Kevin` | cottima not as far as I know, you would have to extract it first |
| 16:33.39 | Kevin` | cottima if you are storing the files on a linux system and want to mount them, you could use a sparse file |
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| 16:36.24 | cottima | Kevin`, okay. |
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| 16:38.06 | bonez44 | I can email out...I run exim4...and mutt as my mail client, but I can't get any email IN...nothing comes in... but was working fine yesterday |
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| 16:38.59 | xand | bonez44: check the log |
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| 16:39.26 | bonez44 | xand, ah, gladly, but which..there are many logs...., the exim4 log? |
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| 16:40.18 | xand | bonez44: yes |
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| 16:41.21 | bonez44 | xand, I find in /var/log/exim4/mainlog reference to this message which I purge with this > >> exim -Mrm 1I4PXL-00010R-6A |
| 16:41.27 | bonez44 | it shows that it is gone..... |
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| 16:41.42 | liable | Guerin: ner ner na ner ner :P |
| 16:42.29 | nvz | liable: are you Dick Cheney? |
| 16:42.38 | xand | bonez44: gone where? run mailq to see if stuff is queued |
| 16:42.44 | bonez44 | xand, I run /etc/init.d/exim4 restart .. |
| 16:43.35 | liable | nvz: no, but my rugby team just beat his rugby team.. :) |
| 16:43.38 | bonez44 | just 'mailq' at the prompt? not familiar, until now, with mailq |
| 16:44.17 | bonez44 | xand, mailq returns nothing, just a prompt, i.e., then nothing is queued right? |
| 16:44.37 | nvz | liable: ah, thats right.. Dick Cheney is Rah rah ra rah rah.. |
| 16:45.01 | bonez44 | xand, the fact is, there are likely several hundred messages...somewhere which normally would dump into my inbox..but at this point aren't dumping in.... |
| 16:45.24 | bonez44 | xand, this is incoming email from yesterday around 10:00 am...should be a hundred or so..based on prior experience |
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| 16:46.07 | bonez44 | xand, sorry....I think I have exceed my quota with you, eh? |
| 16:46.09 | liable | nvz: i am not into US politics that much to know wtf dick cheney says :P |
| 16:46.11 | xand | bonez44: the exim log should show what happened to them... |
| 16:46.17 | xand | haha. |
| 16:46.23 | bonez44 | to them, to the incoming email messages? |
| 16:46.42 | tc75 | hi, is there a ps tool to print a one-page ps on 4 different pages to be taped to each other to have a huge print? |
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| 16:47.56 | xand | bonez44: yes... if you send yourself a message from an external address does it arrive? |
| 16:48.13 | xand | tail -f /var/log/exim4/mainlog while you send it and you should see what happens |
| 16:48.42 | bonez44 | xand, the log shows 277 emails mailed out from my mailman installation, then one address which was and is 'BAD' ..and which I have purged via 'exim -Mrm emailidgoeshere' and it shows....removed..... |
| 16:49.01 | nvz | liable: nobody knows what he says it all sounds like "reh reh reh reh reh reh" |
| 16:49.11 | bonez44 | xand, no, email from outside address or from friends I am chatting, who have sent me email, do not arrive.. |
| 16:49.14 | bonez44 | nothing comes in.. |
| 16:49.28 | bonez44 | it's like a black whole..in reverse...it sends all out..but nothing at all comes back in |
| 16:49.59 | Scurz | [3~ |
| 16:50.02 | Scurz | oops |
| 16:50.11 | xand | bonez44: is your mX record set correctly? can you telnet to port 25 on the server from the internet? |
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| 16:50.52 | quasisane | tc75: 'poster' looks like it does what you want |
| 16:51.30 | bonez44 | I have a dynamic IP from comcast..and it's worked just fine for 4 months now...no trouble....not sure about my MX record...I'll test from then net... would that be 'telnet my.ip,add.ress'? |
| 16:52.22 | xand | bonez44: maybe your IP address changed? how does email get directed to your server? |
| 16:52.30 | xand | and it would be "telnet ipaddress 25" |
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| 16:52.55 | bonez44 | xand I have told comcast to just let it flow directly to me...my machine here has port 22 forwarded....... |
| 16:53.12 | tc75 | quasisane: thx! installing it to check it out... |
| 16:53.14 | xand | bonez44: 22 is for ssh you want 25 for smtp. |
| 16:53.29 | bonez44 | right, and 25 is forwarded too...to this machine |
| 16:53.31 | xand | bonez44: and that doesn't make much sense to me... flow directly how? |
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| 16:54.02 | xand | have you got your own domain that uses your server as its mail server? |
| 16:54.06 | dnanar | hi all ! |
| 16:54.09 | dnanar | i woul |
| 16:54.11 | dnanar | ops =) |
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| 16:54.42 | dnanar | i would like to know how to know the size of a directory on console please ? because ls gives only "4.0K" =( |
| 16:55.02 | bonez44 | when I contracted for service with comcast, I said..I run my own mail server here..in my office...they said..that's fine...if you have email to a certain address (scott@fyrenice.com) and you manage it yourself, it will , it should just come to your box and you handle it..they didn't really do anything for me that way...just said it was fine for me to do this |
| 16:55.20 | bonez44 | I have my own domain..and it is registered...and directed to my box here.... |
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| 16:55.49 | xand | bonez44: 71.195.250.0 is your IP address there? |
| 16:56.14 | xand | bonez44: because that's where email to that direct will go |
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| 16:57.09 | bonez44 | scott@zugraum:~$ telnet fyrenice.com |
| 16:57.09 | bonez44 | Trying 71.195.250.0... |
| 16:57.09 | bonez44 | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out |
| 16:57.14 | bonez44 | that's the output from telnet attempt |
| 16:57.17 | xand | you need 25 on the end |
| 16:57.18 | bonez44 | yes |
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| 16:57.51 | bonez44 | 'telnet fyrenice.com:25' thus? |
| 16:57.53 | xand | I can see what the problem is |
| 16:58.01 | valdyn | bonez44: no : |
| 16:58.02 | xand | no, "telnet fyrenice.com 25" |
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| 16:58.38 | valdyn | host is down or firewalled |
| 16:58.40 | xand | bonez44: your IP address has changed from 71.195.250.0 to 71.195.243.49 |
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| 16:59.07 | xand | bonez44: assuming it's the same address as where you're connected from. |
| 17:00.10 | xand | bonez44: you need to update your DNS records for mail.fyrenice.com (which is your domain's MX) to point at your current IP address... I use dyndns.org for such things |
| 17:00.26 | valdyn | dnanar: ls gives 4.0K for what? |
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| 17:02.16 | maher | anyone got an apple tv? |
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| 17:02.23 | xand | !anyone |
| 17:02.23 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 17:02.51 | maher | anyone got an apple tv an dwants to send me boot.efi? |
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| 17:03.21 | ChaosR | how do I enable crontab? |
| 17:03.30 | tarzeau | nvz: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Using_URL_values_for_the_cursor_property |
| 17:03.43 | tarzeau | And even if you specify an animated GIF, the cursor will not be an animated cursor. This limitation may be removed in future releases. |
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| 17:03.59 | xand | ChaosR: cron is enabled by default, do you want to add something to your crontab? if so, crontab -e |
| 17:04.26 | ChaosR | xand: I did that, I tried it, but it doesn't work |
| 17:04.37 | ChaosR | things is cronjob never run |
| 17:04.38 | xand | !doesn't work |
| 17:04.38 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 17:04.40 | ChaosR | in* |
| 17:04.51 | ChaosR | xand: yesyes |
| 17:04.52 | xand | maybe you specified it wrongly? |
| 17:05.37 | xand | what did you put in the crontab? |
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| 17:06.04 | ChaosR | a lot |
| 17:06.09 | ChaosR | sec |
| 17:06.21 | xand | pastebin if it's multiple lines |
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| 17:06.45 | ChaosR | example: /usr/bin/apt-get update |
| 17:06.52 | ChaosR | as command |
| 17:06.58 | xand | and what numbers? |
| 17:06.59 | ChaosR | do you want the whole line? |
| 17:07.03 | xand | yes |
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| 17:07.28 | xand | and is this root's crontab, one in /etc, or a user's? |
| 17:07.41 | ChaosR | root, give me a sec to connect to my server |
| 17:08.00 | liable | why not use cron-apt |
| 17:08.40 | ChaosR | 0 0 * * * /bin/usr/apt-get update |
| 17:09.11 | zinx | the path is wrong at the very least |
| 17:09.18 | ChaosR | lol |
| 17:09.22 | ChaosR | typo, on my side |
| 17:09.32 | ChaosR | it's correct on the server |
| 17:09.42 | zinx | i suspect that's going to be emailing you a lot if you get it to work |
| 17:09.48 | unlink | ChaosR: man apt.conf |
| 17:09.59 | xand | did you check root's email to see if cron mailed? |
| 17:10.07 | ChaosR | and how do I do that? |
| 17:10.11 | unlink | debian never delivers mail to root |
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| 17:10.34 | unlink | to check who the mail is delivered to, check /etc/aliases |
| 17:10.34 | valdyn | uh? |
| 17:10.34 | valdyn | it optionally does |
| 17:10.39 | unlink | right, but not by default |
| 17:10.54 | valdyn | iirc the installer asks 'where do you want system mail to be sent to?' |
| 17:10.57 | ChaosR | all are set to root, and root to chaosr |
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| 17:11.07 | xand | unlink: yes it does |
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| 17:11.18 | xand | well, as much as anywhere else |
| 17:11.20 | ChaosR | how do I check my mail? |
| 17:11.28 | unlink | ChaosR: use a mail client, like mutt |
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| 17:13.40 | [Nande] | hello, is here someone with time to give me a hint on a nvidia card installation? |
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| 17:13.58 | tarzeau | !nvidia |
| 17:13.58 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 17:14.33 | maher | ChaosR: its /usr/bin not /bin/usr |
| 17:14.43 | [Nande] | thanks a lot. tarzeau, |
| 17:14.45 | ChaosR | maher: I know, I made a mistake copying it |
| 17:14.48 | maher | ChaosR: just type mutt on the command line to see local mail |
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| 17:15.03 | ChaosR | maher: already installing it |
| 17:15.23 | Vanpriest | does magic quotes thing remove sql injection? |
| 17:15.37 | maher | ChaosR: you might like the package cron-apt |
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| 17:16.09 | ChaosR | maher: can cron-apt do also other commands |
| 17:17.02 | maher | ChaosR: i dunno exactly what it does... |
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| 17:20.42 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 17:20.49 | rahul | what about me? |
| 17:21.09 | Azar | rahul :) |
| 17:21.43 | rahul | damn, that girl called me back |
| 17:21.44 | Azar | question: I have removed "portmap", since I seem not having a use for it... was that a dumb move? |
| 17:21.53 | rahul | Azar: no |
| 17:22.09 | Azar | rahul... you are sooo beautiful.. tomeeee |
| 17:22.12 | rahul | if you needed it, the apt would have told you |
| 17:22.14 | rahul | heh |
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| 17:22.31 | xand | bless |
| 17:22.51 | Azar | hi mister xand |
| 17:22.55 | xand | hello |
| 17:23.08 | nvz | I wonder how long it would take me to adjust if I changed my keyboard layout |
| 17:23.15 | rahul | well, she's not picking up |
| 17:23.21 | rahul | and I have a date with another girl |
| 17:23.31 | rahul | Azar: go take this girl out on a date for me |
| 17:23.37 | Azar | oh oh rahul has a kissing chance |
| 17:23.44 | rahul | heh |
| 17:23.55 | rahul | nvz: usually a month |
| 17:24.36 | Azar | nvz: brilliant move... nobody will be able to physically tap on your system with a scrambled keyboard layout |
| 17:24.50 | rahul | sigh |
| 17:25.00 | rahul | oh well, good thing the OTHER girl isn't coming up |
| 17:25.18 | rahul | now I just have to get alex to not say anything that will get me in trouble |
| 17:25.27 | nvz | I was at first considering trying one of those one-handed keyboards but then they are expensive and who knows if they even work on linux.. but I was reading up on the DVORAK layout which is suppose to be more comfortable and quicker for typing |
| 17:25.31 | rahul | (like that's possible) |
| 17:25.51 | rahul | one-handed keyboards are very useful |
| 17:25.56 | rahul | ahem... I mean... uh |
| 17:26.09 | rahul | oof |
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| 17:26.38 | rahul | ok, I better run |
| 17:26.53 | Azar | have fun, rahul... think of me too... |
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| 17:27.19 | rahul | I'll think of you while I'm kissing her |
| 17:27.24 | rahul | :P |
| 17:27.43 | Azar | nvz: last year I gifted a friend with a blank keyboard.... from the thinkgeek store... it seems it works with linux |
| 17:27.56 | Azar | hehe rahul] |
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| 17:28.57 | nvz | Azar: I was gonna do that with my black keyboard.. I started doing it with just the extra mm keys cause the suggested functions on them were very stupid. |
| 17:28.59 | sn0 | azar daskeyboard ? :) |
| 17:29.07 | Azar | sn0: yes |
| 17:29.13 | nvz | Azar: and for the QWERTY layout I don't need to see what's on the keys anyhow |
| 17:29.14 | sn0 | i have one (v2) and love it |
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| 17:29.39 | Azar | nvz: yea you could just erase the marks on the keys.. :) |
| 17:29.48 | nvz | Azar: but I was thinking I can pop all the keys off and re-arrange em then just change my map to DVORAK and see if I can get used to it and if it makes me type faster and more comfortably |
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| 17:30.32 | Azar | nvz: eh, if you are to pop up the keys you could as well scramble them and use the ol' qwerty typing |
| 17:30.49 | Azar | fuzzing confuzzing intruders |
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| 17:30.55 | stew | nvz: its not likely to make you faster, it rarely does, but it does make people more comfortable if you can adapt to it |
| 17:30.58 | Hillview | hi.. can anyone give me an idea of how much time it'll take for my box to --dist-upgrade to lenny from etch on a 512k line? |
| 17:31.04 | stew | nvz: apt-cache show dvorak7min |
| 17:31.06 | nvz | I dont have intruders |
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| 17:31.41 | Azar | hi mister stew :) |
| 17:31.43 | stew | hi |
| 17:31.55 | nvz | stew: idk it says its got an inward stroke pattern to it and all this blah blah blah I just read.. seems like once I'm used to it, it could be more effecient and comfortable |
| 17:32.26 | stew | Hillview: its dependent on what you have installed, if you run "aptitude -s dist-upgrade " it shoud tell you something like "need to download 313MB of data..." and you can calculate for yourself |
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| 17:33.00 | Hillview | stew, ty. Just a base xfce install from cd, hoping it won't take too long.. :) |
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| 17:34.08 | stew | Hillview: you can also use -d to download the packages but not install them, if you want to pre-download the packages overnight, or something, then do the actual upgrade the next day |
| 17:34.09 | nvz | only thing that worries me is I won't be able to login anymore I don't know my passwords half the time, I just know the feel of it |
| 17:34.23 | nvz | and what would happen when I am using somone elses QWERTY pc |
| 17:34.30 | nvz | once I get used to a different layout |
| 17:34.47 | stew | nvz: dvorak7min comes with "asdf" and "aeou" scripts in $doc/examples that let you quickly switch between them |
| 17:34.50 | Azar | nvz: it gonna be like speaking spanglish |
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| 17:35.16 | dan2 | I am having a hell of a time with openoffice |
| 17:35.18 | dan2 | all it is doing is crashing |
| 17:35.49 | Azar | dan2: usually crashing applications happen in debian sid |
| 17:35.56 | Hillview | stew, thanks. this is just a desktop pc, I'd like to use some of the newer packages that weren't in etch but I see them in testing.. they should be stable enough there for me? |
| 17:36.05 | dan2 | no kidding |
| 17:36.17 | stew | Hillview: you can also use backpors: /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 17:36.56 | Azar | well my open office never crashed |
| 17:37.35 | Vasistha | hmm, I've definitely had sarge and etch "stable" OOo crash, but not really a whole lot. But it happens. |
| 17:38.06 | Azar | damn I must be doing something right, to have OO running ok |
| 17:38.07 | tarzeau | Azar: oh they happen in stable too |
| 17:38.12 | nvz | stew: would be nice if there was something like this Dvorak - Qwerty Command deal I read about.. where you can toggle keymaps with a modifier key |
| 17:38.23 | Azar | mister tarzeau! how nice to see you back.. |
| 17:38.35 | liable | i usually give in after the first 5 minutes waiting for it to open a file, so its never crashed for me |
| 17:38.46 | basti | does anyone know how i can add a button in kde 3.5 that doe something like "show desktop"? |
| 17:38.51 | Azar | yeah is kinda slow.. |
| 17:39.04 | nvz | hmm I guess I can setup a sawfish binding for easy changing of keymaps with some of the similar keys |
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| 17:39.20 | Hillview | stew, interesting.. thanks. |
| 17:39.22 | nvz | which gets me thinking.. all my damn key bindings are gonna change :P |
| 17:40.10 | liable | nvz: dont think. it leads to long off topic posts on #debian :P |
| 17:40.12 | Azar | nvz: playing nethack for a while will get you used to the new layout |
| 17:40.24 | nvz | I'll just switch my layout and keep typing like I'm used to.. and you all will think its ciphertext |
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| 17:40.36 | Vasistha | basti: rightclicking the panel, I see an option "add applet". If I click on that, I get a list of things to add, and "show desktop" is one of them. Ask in #kde if that doesn't work. |
| 17:40.37 | Azar | liable: but today is .... saturday :) |
| 17:40.45 | Azar | or no more o/t on weekends? |
| 17:41.37 | Vasistha | nvz: heh, I have a buddy who uses dvorak sometimes, and one of the things he has done is to alias 'no' or something like that to 'ls', because the reflex to type 'ls' where those two keys are is so strong |
| 17:42.01 | zinx | Vasistha: he's a closet qwerty user |
| 17:42.15 | zinx | i'm more likely to type p; than no :P |
| 17:42.28 | Vasistha | zinx: hehheh. or maybe he's just a slow learner |
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| 17:42.37 | basti | Vasistha: hmm. i don´t have anything like that... i will ask there. thanks |
| 17:42.40 | nvz | Vasistha: yeah I have to do stuff like that when I am forced to use windows. ls: bad command of file name :( |
| 17:42.53 | Vasistha | nvz: haha. yeah, that happened to me recently |
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| 17:43.36 | Vasistha | nvz: one of these days I'm gonna get cygwin+bash on a usb flash drive so I can just use bash whenever I service a windows box |
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| 17:44.48 | nvz | Vasistha: cygwin is a pita.. gnuwin32 seems easier to me. and the more recent shells in windows aren't as bad as they were once you drop gnuwin32 tools into the system32 folder |
| 17:45.24 | tvn | how do I find all files that were changed in the last 3 days ? |
| 17:45.40 | Vasistha | nvz: hmm. well, I want to continue this but it's just too OT :) thanks for the gnuwin32 tip, though! |
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| 17:46.02 | Vasistha | tvn: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/UsingFind |
| 17:46.18 | wwasher | what is it that gnome-volume-control does to audio to turn the output on? |
| 17:46.48 | Vasistha | wwasher: are you asking HOW to turn audio on, or are you asking about how the internals of the system work? |
| 17:46.54 | nvz | wwasher: wth are you talking about? |
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| 17:48.00 | wwasher | everytime i reboot (since sometime in etch/testing) the volume is turned off; since i can't get X started again to (sheepishly) to use the gnome volume control to listen to music while i figure out wth nvidia is doing, i figure i'll start there.... |
| 17:48.22 | wwasher | Vasistha : i think i'm asking the first, tho i'm curious about the second :) |
| 17:48.24 | Vasistha | wwasher: ohh, that sounds more like a real question |
| 17:48.57 | hark | wwasher: install alsa-utils |
| 17:48.59 | nvz | wwasher: sounds like your mixer settings arent being loaded/saved properly |
| 17:49.41 | wwasher | Vasistha : i Think i'm using alsa already (mplayer *assures* me it is playing fine to alsa) |
| 17:49.54 | nvz | hark, the herald angels sing.. |
| 17:50.02 | nvz | ...fa la la la la.. |
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| 17:50.43 | metalkitty | help guys, fresh debian etch instsall my touchpad is incredibly slow |
| 17:50.44 | wwasher | nvz - arg. i was already singing "silver bows" (to the tune of "silver bells," yes) |
| 17:50.49 | nvz | turn the volume up, and you'll hear it.. fa la la la la.. la la la la.. |
| 17:50.52 | hark | glory! |
| 17:51.24 | xand | UHOH nvz is singing |
| 17:51.37 | __david | my softraid array thinks it died, but i don't think it did. Is there a way to force it to recombine? |
| 17:52.04 | nvz | heh. could be worse.. I could play the b flat scale on the butt trumpet |
| 17:52.06 | wwasher | er... apt-get wants linux-sound-base ..... wouldn't i, shouldn't i, already have had such things? music was fine till i rebooted 5minutes ago... |
| 17:52.08 | Roey | ghi |
| 17:52.09 | Roey | hi |
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| 17:52.38 | wwasher | Roey : gthanks. :) |
| 17:52.42 | hark | wwasher: alsa-utils will store/restore your mixer settings. |
| 17:52.42 | Roey | np :) |
| 17:52.51 | nvz | wwasher: all of ur linux-sound-base r belong to us |
| 17:53.02 | wwasher | nvz - i think so..... |
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| 17:53.06 | mickky_ | hi |
| 17:53.18 | hark | im in ur pc saving ur snd |
| 17:53.29 | Azar | :P |
| 17:53.53 | wwasher | hark : i hopeu like what im playing |
| 17:53.53 | mickky_ | how can a know in which package is nslookup program??? |
| 17:53.58 | Roey | So I took a look at /proc/mdstat and found this: md3 : active raid1 sdb3[0] / 43214784 blocks [2/1] [U_]. How would I know if md encountered a hardware error? If it's not a hardware issue, do I use mdadm --assemble or mdadm --incremental to insert the missing drive backinto the array? |
| 17:54.00 | wwasher | hark - haha |
| 17:54.05 | aztec105 | hello all does any one know if there is an installer switch to tell the debian installer not to not probe for scussi devices |
| 17:54.07 | tarzeau | hark: hehe. http://music.istheshit.net/ |
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| 17:54.17 | tarzeau | and http://audio.istheshit.net/ |
| 17:54.29 | frank | !tell mickky_ about search |
| 17:54.29 | liable | mickky_: /msg dpkg search (its dnsutils btw) |
| 17:54.47 | xand | Roey: look in dmesg for errors |
| 17:54.54 | mickky_ | liable, thanks |
| 17:55.02 | Roey | xand: well I've grepped /var/log/syslog for "sd" and it found nothing |
| 17:55.13 | liable | aztec105: hit f3 or f2 when the cd boots |
| 17:55.29 | Azar | wwasher: when you use alsamixer to raise the volume, when you are done you have to save the settings with : alsactl store |
| 17:55.30 | liable | aztec105: iirc there may be a noscsi param |
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| 17:56.04 | xand | Roey: what about /var/log/dmesg |
| 17:56.05 | aztec105 | Liable: been there done that could not find a switch paramete for do not probe for scussi |
| 17:56.06 | wwasher | azar : thanks. i was about to ask about this. |
| 17:56.23 | hark | tarzeau: heh, the site is fun :) |
| 17:56.38 | Azar | hehe tarzeau, hilarious |
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| 17:58.07 | suppaman | hello |
| 17:58.10 | dav7 | hi |
| 17:58.13 | Roey | xand: Now that you've mentioned /var/log/dmesg, I see this: http://rafb.net/p/eU4mYf91.html |
| 17:58.21 | bknitram | how do I make apt list all installed packages |
| 17:58.35 | tarzeau | !list packages |
| 17:58.42 | nvz | bknitram: dpkg -l | egrep ^.i | less |
| 17:58.43 | hark | !installed |
| 17:58.43 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
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| 17:59.39 | nvz | bknitram: apt is a frontend that fetches packages and resolves dependencies.. its not your package manager, dpkg is |
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| 18:01.12 | aztec105 | arggh tried noscsi param stil hangs |
| 18:01.57 | bonez44 | xand, ok, added an account at dyndns.org...I have one there already for my home domain...my only question is about how the dyndns.org will affect mailman, and others who email me....do they have to email to the extended address? |
| 18:02.23 | wwasher | nvz, azar, hark, Vasistha : thanks. music at least while i work out the other issues. |
| 18:02.23 | Roey | xand: did you look at my post? |
| 18:02.46 | starz | mmmm |
| 18:02.54 | xand | yes |
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| 18:03.07 | starz | is there a way to reinstall grub somehow so that it completely scans all partitions on all drives like it does during install? |
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| 18:03.17 | xand | bonez44: no, change your MX record to point to the dyndns adress |
| 18:03.18 | xand | +d |
| 18:03.25 | tvynr | I'm running testing and am having difficulty building a kernel module for my running kernel (linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64=2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2). That kernel was apparently built using gcc 4.1.2 and the gcc I have on my system (gcc-4.1=4.1.2-12) is claiming to be 4.1.3. Anyone have any idea how I can build this kernel module? |
| 18:03.26 | starz | got a quad boot system here and so far it seems the only way to do this is on a reinstall |
| 18:03.28 | starz | which sux |
| 18:03.42 | tvynr | starz: update-grub? |
| 18:03.43 | starz | seems the only thing that auto updates is each install itself. |
| 18:03.51 | starz | tvynr, yeah doesnt seem to catch em all |
| 18:03.52 | xand | Roey: I guess it's "md: kicking non-fresh sda3 from array!" that's the "error", but no idea what that means |
| 18:04.03 | slack101 | datacents suck |
| 18:04.19 | starz | say hda2 is ubuntu edgy hda3 is windows hdb1 is debian and hdb2 is fedora |
| 18:04.31 | tvynr | starz: Some reason you can't just edit /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 18:04.36 | tarzeau | starz: is this a quiz? |
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| 18:04.47 | starz | tvynr, because between them all kernels tend to update all the time |
| 18:04.49 | Roey | xand: would you rule out a hardware (disk) erro? |
| 18:04.53 | starz | its quite a task. tarzeau nope |
| 18:04.57 | IceGuest_7 | how do i re-setup apt-get to pull from different sources... |
| 18:05.04 | Roey | xand: I suppose I can issue a SMART check |
| 18:05.09 | tvynr | starz: Well, only one of those OSes should have the grub package installed. |
| 18:05.15 | tvynr | starz: I think. |
| 18:05.18 | starz | the idea is i was hoping to get the kinda scan that you get during the install where it actually looks for them all. |
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| 18:05.54 | starz | ive been using the ubuntu one as primary, and it only scans itself looking for updated kernels - doesnt look at the debian or fedora partitions |
| 18:06.09 | xand | Roey: that's not the message I got when one of my mdadm raid disks failed :| |
| 18:06.14 | Roey | hmm |
| 18:06.18 | starz | so sure. one could certainly edit manually but.... just seems like it shouldnt be quite that complicated |
| 18:06.19 | starz | lol |
| 18:06.19 | Roey | what message do you get when your raid disk fails? |
| 18:06.20 | Roey | :) |
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| 18:06.35 | minerale | Hi, can someone tell me how to have the framebuffer resolution native to my monitor ( 1920x1200 ) |
| 18:06.36 | Roey | (hmm, I wonder if it's a kernel issue? Maybe I'll finally install a new kernel?? ;) |
| 18:07.14 | xand | don't remember exactly, it's gone from dmesg |
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| 18:07.25 | starz | hm |
| 18:07.35 | starz | how hard would it be to bash script something like that? |
| 18:07.40 | xand | Roey: actually I *do* have that message when it boots (for the failed disk) :S |
| 18:07.48 | xand | but it had other messages when it was actually dying |
| 18:07.53 | xand | i should really replace that disk :S |
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| 18:08.05 | KeepW | hi all |
| 18:08.33 | Roey | ahhhh |
| 18:08.36 | Roey | xand :) :) |
| 18:08.41 | Roey | xand: btw, what's your name? |
| 18:08.48 | Roey | xand: I've seen ya around here before |
| 18:08.51 | Roey | thanks btw. |
| 18:08.52 | starz | ooo |
| 18:08.54 | Roey | maybe my disk failed. |
| 18:08.57 | Roey | ffs I hate disks |
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| 18:09.02 | starz | there's a package to build install disks right? |
| 18:09.04 | Vasistha | KeepW: why are you logging in as 'admin'? |
| 18:09.21 | xand | Roey: that's because I've been here years :P |
| 18:09.28 | starz | could one build a custom install disk that only has normal stuff up to partitioning manager and then goes next step directly to grub? |
| 18:09.32 | Roey | xand :) |
| 18:09.38 | KeepW | Vasistha: its just my username, no admin privileges |
| 18:09.39 | starz | doesnt do the actual install? and if so where would i start looking >? |
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| 18:10.17 | metalkitty | can anyone please tell me how I can make my touchpad faster, somwhere within xorg or something |
| 18:10.46 | zinx | metalkitty: do you use a desktop environment? |
| 18:10.55 | metalkitty | zinx, yes kde |
| 18:11.06 | zinx | metalkitty: it should be in the mouse configuration |
| 18:11.18 | metalkitty | zinx, it is and it does nothing ... |
| 18:11.24 | metalkitty | so that options is ... nothign form e |
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| 18:12.17 | Vasistha | metalkitty: if you happen to have a synaptics touchpad (they're pretty common) then you might check out the ksynaptics configuration tool |
| 18:12.29 | metalkitty | YES! |
| 18:12.33 | metalkitty | synaptics touchpad |
| 18:12.34 | minerale | Hi, can someone tell me how to have the framebuffer resolution native to my monitor ( 1920x1200 ) |
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| 18:12.52 | KeepW | where can i add SFS file system support? network file system in kernel conf? |
| 18:12.54 | Vasistha | metalkitty: yeah, they're the best :D |
| 18:13.23 | bonez44 | xand, I find the following and make the changes: Under mail settings I put in 'fyrenice.dynalias.com' per address set at dyndns.org... under 'HOST'.. is that what's needed to make this work? |
| 18:13.27 | Vasistha | minerale: have you installed the framebuffer package? I don't remember what it's called... |
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| 18:14.00 | xand | bonez44: probably |
| 18:14.15 | kalopsian | It seems like my bash_profile and bashrc scripts are not getting called... |
| 18:14.29 | Vasistha | !dotfiles |
| 18:14.29 | dpkg | i guess dotfiles is http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
| 18:14.30 | kalopsian | is there a setting somewhere that would prevent those from firing off upon login? |
| 18:14.43 | Vasistha | ^^^ kalopsian read that ^^^ |
| 18:15.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm running on a dual core AMD64 machine.. I'm running a gameserver that's consuming a lot of resources. It seems that all the apps are focused on a single core - Anything I do slows the game down. Is there a way to force it to use the core that is least in use? |
| 18:15.18 | kalopsian | Vasistha: reading... :) |
| 18:15.20 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: use nice? |
| 18:15.24 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: what gameserver is this? |
| 18:15.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Warsow |
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| 18:15.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: I don't want the gameserver to use less, on the contrary - I want the other apps to use less |
| 18:15.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | But there are hundreds of processes running |
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| 18:16.26 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: you can use renice on the others? |
| 18:16.37 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: you know ps and grep? |
| 18:16.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Never mind... |
| 18:16.57 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: there's also and, the auto nice daemon and there's positive and negative nice values |
| 18:17.04 | metalkitty | Vasistha, how come there are no results by ksynaptics |
| 18:17.25 | Vasistha | metalkitty: let's see your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:17.29 | Vasistha | !paster |
| 18:17.29 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 18:18.30 | metalkitty | Vasistha, http://paste.debian.net/31720 |
| 18:18.35 | metalkitty | I'll add non free and lenny will that be enough? |
| 18:18.55 | Vasistha | metalkitty: no, you don't need to add those |
| 18:19.14 | metalkitty | Vasistha, k, what should I add? |
| 18:19.18 | Vasistha | !tell metalkitty -about sources.list |
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| 18:20.01 | metalkitty | hey thanks :) |
| 18:20.05 | kalopsian | Vasistha: okay -- so PAM is running first -- but I guess it's not getting to the bash_profile part |
| 18:20.15 | Vasistha | metalkitty: you've got the DVD ISO, and the security updates, but you don't have a link into the main repos -- so that factoid should help you add it |
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| 18:21.49 | Vasistha | kalopsian: that sounds like an intereting problem, and I just have no idea how to help you :P If you manually source them in a shell, does that work? |
| 18:22.00 | kamui | is cpu powermanagement only available with ACPI? |
| 18:22.09 | kalopsian | Vasistha: if I do it manually yes |
| 18:22.21 | kamui | Im trying to build an apm only kernel to see if I can suspend using apm since acpi crashes my box |
| 18:22.31 | Vasistha | kamui: what kinda box you got? |
| 18:22.35 | kalopsian | no problems -- but when i ssh in -- it doesn't call bash_profile |
| 18:22.43 | kalopsian | because I have bashrc sourced from there |
| 18:22.46 | Vasistha | kalopsian: ohh... that may be an ssh issue |
| 18:22.50 | kalopsian | hrm |
| 18:22.56 | kamui | Vasistha, its a toshiba tecra M4 |
| 18:23.12 | Vasistha | kamui: how old is that? |
| 18:23.26 | kamui | Vasistha, maybe 1.5 - 2 years old |
| 18:23.42 | Vasistha | kamui: acpi ought to be well-supported on that machine. have you checked the laptop pages? |
| 18:23.44 | Vasistha | !laptop |
| 18:23.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 18:24.04 | kamui | Vasistha, I did, nothing on my specific model (linux-laptop.net) |
| 18:24.16 | kamui | ill check out tuxmobile |
| 18:24.29 | Vasistha | kamui: the other thing to do is check out similar models :P |
| 18:24.47 | KeepW | do i need kernel support for selfcertifyed file system or with fuse fs its ok? |
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| 18:24.56 | suppaman | bye |
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| 18:25.13 | Vasistha | kalopsian: have you taken a look at /etc/pam.d/login and /etc/pam.d/ssh ? |
| 18:26.01 | kamui | Vasistha, the M4 is a great depature from the other M's as its a tabletpc, however, I was able to find somene who has a tecra who said they had to use apm -s to suspend, for whatever reason when I s2ram with uwsusp I lock up before the laptop actually suspends, it looks like its in text mode with the text cursor flying all over the screen |
| 18:26.20 | kamui | that other person doesn't have an M4 though |
| 18:27.37 | bonez44 | xand, I mail myself a message....and the windows with 'tail -f /var/log/exim4/mainlog' shows it going out and then coming back in...completing..yet still nothing mails in to this box...nothing makes it in |
| 18:27.50 | Vasistha | kamui: ahha ... exotic hardware. In that case, yeah, you might be stuck with apm if the full acpi support hasn't been built yet. I'm not really sure about cpu power management, but it's kinda doubtful. I know you can't get temperature readouts. |
| 18:28.07 | kalopsian | Vasistha: /etc/pam.d/ssh http://paste.debian.net/31721 |
| 18:28.38 | KeepW | do i need kernel support for selfcertifyed file system or with fuse fs its ok? |
| 18:28.44 | kamui | Vasistha, I can live with that, I just dont' want the cpu constantly pumping at 2ghz if Im mostly idle |
| 18:28.50 | kamui | fan is loud and it get real hot |
| 18:29.01 | xand | bonez44: MX records take a while to update |
| 18:29.19 | xand | bonez44: half an hour in your case |
| 18:29.23 | Vasistha | kamui: have you tried running apm to see how it behaves? |
| 18:29.38 | bonez44 | well, it's been 20 minutes...... ok... waiting a while longer.... |
| 18:29.52 | bonez44 | xand, know any good primers on understanding MX records? |
| 18:30.50 | xand | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mx_record |
| 18:32.03 | metalkitty | Vasistha, I isntalled ksynaptics what now? |
| 18:32.15 | bonez44 | scott@fyrenice:~$ telnet fyrenice.com 25 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. 220 fyrenice.com ESMTP Exim 4.63 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:31:46 -0600 |
| 18:32.24 | bonez44 | xand....telnet finally seems to be working |
| 18:32.30 | bonez44 | that's a good sign, right? |
| 18:32.35 | metalkitty | valdyn, restart x or something? |
| 18:32.36 | xand | telnet to what? |
| 18:32.42 | metalkitty | valdyn, sorry not you |
| 18:33.27 | kamui | Vasistha, Im building a new kernel with apm and without previrtualization right now to try it and see |
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| 18:34.16 | bonez44 | xand, works now locally, but not sure yet about from remote machine..trying by sshing to home, then telneting back to check my server |
| 18:34.39 | xand | bonez44: telnet to whatever the mx record says |
| 18:35.36 | bonez44 | scott@zugraum:~$ telnet fyrenice.dynalias.com 25 Trying 71.195.243.49...Connected to fyrenice.dynalias.com.Escape character is '^]'.220 fyrenice.com ESMTP Exim 4.63 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:35:03 -0600 |
| 18:35.37 | *** part/#debian Humanoid (n=anonymou@unaffiliated/humanoid) |
| 18:35.40 | bonez44 | that seems to work now |
| 18:36.33 | hackeron_ | hey, is the kernel package currently broken in sid? -- I get: linux-image-2.6-686: Depends: linux-image-2.6.21-1-686 but it is not installable |
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| 18:37.02 | xand | bonez44: your mx record needs to go to fyrenice.dynalias.com |
| 18:37.19 | xand | bonez44: "dig mx fyrenice.com" will say what it is... the line with "IN MX" in |
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| 18:38.31 | kamui | ok, testing the new kernel bbl |
| 18:38.33 | bonez44 | xand, that's what I have set > shows this >> ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;fyrenice.com. IN MX |
| 18:38.36 | kamui | thanks for the advice Vasistha |
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| 18:39.11 | minus | how do i upgrade from lenny to sid ? |
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| 18:39.23 | Gast770 | www.poker-jack.6x.to |
| 18:40.15 | cydork | !iyhtays minus |
| 18:40.15 | dpkg | minus: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
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| 18:41.05 | minus | cydork, -.- |
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| 18:42.35 | bonez44 | scott@fyrenice:~$ telnet fyrenice.dynalias.com 25 Trying 71.195.243.49... Connected to fyrenice.dynalias.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220 fyrenice.com ESMTP Exim 4.63 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:42:05 -0600 |
| 18:42.38 | xand | bonez44: what's at the end of that line after "MX"? |
| 18:42.48 | simonrvn | !ops Gast770 is a spammer |
| 18:42.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: Gast770 is a spammer |
| 18:42.54 | xand | the one before that |
| 18:42.57 | xand | simonrvn: and has left. |
| 18:43.06 | bonez44 | xand NOTHING is at the end of that line..nothing lists there... |
| 18:43.10 | nn | i hate sf so much |
| 18:43.19 | simonrvn | xand: and? |
| 18:43.42 | bonez44 | fyrenice.com. 680 IN MX 10 mail.fyrenice.com. |
| 18:43.50 | bonez44 | xand, that's the answer section... |
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| 18:44.06 | bonez44 | xand, from dig mx fyrenice.com |
| 18:44.11 | xand | and is mail.fyrenice.com the same as fyrenice.dynalias.com? |
| 18:44.12 | hackeron_ | anyone else seeing this? -- linux-image-2.6-686: Depends: linux-image-2.6.21-1-686 but it is not installable |
| 18:44.52 | bonez44 | xand, well, no....it's different... |
| 18:45.06 | nn | !sourceforge |
| 18:45.06 | dpkg | methinks sourceforge is an insecure site http://www.sf.net, sponsored by VA Linux, they will give your project free webspace, cvs, email, ftp, bug tracking and much more. Many projects are moving there, because it's a nice and easy way to get everything in one free package, and makes starting projects much simpler, so you can focus on the project, not the administration of it. It doesn't work if you've signed up recently! Grr! |
| 18:45.08 | espen77 | are there any way i can get uuid of my swap drive? |
| 18:45.14 | wols_ | !tell hackeron_ about bat |
| 18:45.36 | nn | nice&easy.. yomama is n&a |
| 18:45.43 | bonez44 | xand if I run dig mx fyrenice.dynalias.com then I get this >> dynalias.com. 600 IN SOA ns1.dyndns.org. hostmaster.dyndns.org. 2024542503 600 300 604800 600 |
| 18:45.46 | kalopsian | Ah, the reason bash_profile and bashrc were not being processed is because I used useradd instead of adduser |
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| 18:47.32 | jpin | Hi, is it possible to "unapply" a patch? |
| 18:47.32 | hackeron_ | wols_: http://paste.debian.net/31727 |
| 18:47.59 | jpin | i forgot to make a backup (after i applied a patch) |
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| 18:48.12 | xand | bonez44: no that's not what I mean |
| 18:48.31 | nn | does anyone know whether the bug that causes 99% packetloss has been fixed in the latest e1000 driver? |
| 18:48.38 | nn | I can't find the changelog.. |
| 18:48.41 | xand | bonez44: you need to change the DNS settings for your fyrenice.com domain and tell it that fyrenice.dynalias.com is its MX |
| 18:49.01 | xand | nn: I have no problems with my e1000 card |
| 18:49.44 | wols_ | !latest |
| 18:49.44 | dpkg | well, latest is not meaningful. Latest when? Latest in what distribution? Latest stable or latest development? Refer to software by version number - that's what it's for. Refer to debian by its codename or other identifiable feature: 'woody' (3.0), 'sarge' (3.1), 'etch' (testing), 'sid' (unstable). |
| 18:49.53 | wols_ | !kernel |
| 18:49.55 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.21.5, prepatch: 2.6.22-rc6, snapshot: 2.6.22-rc6-git4, 2.4: 2.4.34.5, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre5, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.22-rc6-mm1 |
| 18:49.56 | behrad | how can i check the DVD directly?(not from its iso file ) |
| 18:50.15 | wols_ | behrad: check in what way? |
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| 18:50.25 | wols_ | hackeron_: no mirror seems to have 2.6.21-686 right now |
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| 18:50.34 | wols_ | hackeron_: you are running sid. deal with it |
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| 18:51.20 | loopdee | i have a question about dual screen with an ati 9500, seems like its working, but the second screen is stretched beyond the panel.. can it be fullscreen? |
| 18:51.29 | hackeron_ | wols_: lol, right -- my question was if this is a known problem or not - cant see a report on bugs.debian.org or anything -- dpkg-make it is then |
| 18:51.32 | Enverex | hackeron_, Aren't they helpful |
| 18:51.33 | Enverex | heh |
| 18:51.55 | wols_ | hackeron_: check what linux-image packages are availabe with apt-cache search |
| 18:52.04 | behrad | wols_, I cant enough space too make the iso file and check the MD5. how can i sure that DVDs is safe? |
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| 18:52.23 | hackeron_ | Enverex: well, I don't mind if the stable repositories were secure -- I got seriously bitten when using debian stable in a corporate environment when a cricial openldap bug was failed to be patched by debian security for MONTHS |
| 18:52.27 | wols_ | hackeron_: linux-image-2.6.21-2-686 |
| 18:52.44 | behrad | wols_, sorry s/i cant/i dont have |
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| 18:53.19 | wols_ | behrad: you mean you don't have enough room on disk to copy the CD over and do a md5sum check on the ISO file then? |
| 18:53.34 | wols_ | behrad: if so, simply check /devhdX whater X is in your system |
| 18:53.48 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.02 | hackeron_ | Enverex: so switched to sid, which is frequently broken :) -- oh well, better than RHEL |
| 18:54.12 | wols_ | Enverex: someone who has a problem with a simple dependency is not fit tu run sid |
| 18:54.17 | behrad | wols_, is it take me same md5sum? |
| 18:54.25 | wols_ | it better be |
| 18:54.40 | wols_ | hackeron_: have you looked at my suggestioned package name? |
| 18:54.46 | behrad | wols_, soory for my english :( s/take/give |
| 18:55.10 | wols_ | np. as I said: it better be |
| 18:55.23 | hackeron_ | wols_: sorry, yes, I have, thanks for that -- I think I'm going to roll my own though, excited about the power saving 2.6.22 has to offer |
| 18:55.43 | wols_ | powertop? |
| 18:55.56 | behrad | wols_, thanks |
| 18:56.14 | hackeron_ | wols_: yeah, I know it works on 2.6.21 but the dynamic timer or whatever it was is only in 2.6.22, right? |
| 18:56.49 | wols_ | no clue. my notebooks is too old to profit from that newgangled gadgetry :P |
| 18:57.09 | nn | is it appropriate to remove the locales package on an english system? |
| 18:57.26 | simonrvn | no |
| 18:57.35 | nn | why not? |
| 18:57.41 | hackeron_ | wols_: lol, it seems a little bit broken at the moment - tried it on a pentium-m laptop, kernel paniced every other hour and boot time slowed from around 30 seconds to 3 minutes, lol |
| 18:57.46 | SKOM | where can i see file encoding ? |
| 18:58.02 | behrad | wols_, did debian have any command to check all MD5 of package in DVD? |
| 18:58.05 | nn | what are locales good for on an english system? |
| 18:58.21 | SKOM | utf-8 |
| 18:58.29 | hackeron_ | wols_: my macbook still holds a charge, so want to try it on that :) -- with the monthly battery recalls, I have so many fresh batteries ;) |
| 18:59.25 | HardDisk_WP | how do I convert a CUE into a ISO? |
| 18:59.33 | simonrvn | nn: if you have to ask, don't mess with it... they're used all over the place... |
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| 19:00.16 | nn | !locales |
| 19:00.17 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
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| 19:02.58 | VI_Lenin | Hi people, can you please give me an advice: I've got wrong grub MBR during Etch install. I want to install LILO, but see no LILO executable in installation. Can I just unpack LILO from .deb ant put it there manually, then run it? |
| 19:03.24 | tarzeau | VI_Lenin: yeah that should work |
| 19:03.35 | tarzeau | VI_Lenin: and you sure don't want GRUB? |
| 19:03.48 | simonrvn | you should install it normally afterwards |
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| 19:04.07 | xand | no thanks o.O |
| 19:04.24 | simonrvn | how about deer? |
| 19:04.28 | jpin | Does anyone ever had the PARAVIRT GPL problem when installing fglrx kernel src ? |
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| 19:05.12 | VI_Lenin | I have disk=/dev/hda bios=0x81 strings in LILO config to work fine. I just don't know GRUB analogs. |
| 19:05.56 | Halleck | what partitioner is used in debian-installer? |
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| 19:07.25 | VI_Lenin | tarzeau: Is it enouth to provide just LILO executable and lilo.conf, with no additional files? |
| 19:07.34 | tarzeau | VI_Lenin: i think so |
| 19:07.49 | tarzeau | VI_Lenin: it's many years ago i've used lilo. i really like grub better, not only because it can boot the Hurd |
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| 19:09.32 | Harley^ | Howdy :) |
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| 19:10.25 | VI_Lenin | tarzeau: I have GRUB config too, but I need to fix it. What command should I run to write GRUB into MBR, when config is ready? |
| 19:10.38 | doudou | Hi, the system is GMT UTC time, my zoninfo is different how do i set this? |
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| 19:10.52 | tarzeau | VI_Lenin: for grub you need a /boot directory with the stuff of it, on any filesystem it supports |
| 19:11.05 | tarzeau | VI_Lenin: grub-install or install-grub i never know |
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| 19:12.09 | doudou | tarzeau, is there only one tarzeau? |
| 19:12.10 | Harley^ | Would someone please direct me to CLEAR and concise directions for ADDING AMD 32 libs to a Debian Etch 4.0 install to enable SWF to work under Firefox to access Google Maps routing ? |
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| 19:12.24 | tarzeau | doudou: yes |
| 19:12.51 | zinx | Harley^: aptitude install nspluginwrapper |
| 19:13.02 | Mitja | Does any Debian distro include Reiser4? |
| 19:13.09 | tarzeau | doudou: t'existe combien fois? |
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| 19:13.41 | VI_Lenin | tarzeau: I have boot dir with stuff. Just to be sure: /boot/grub/menu.lst is a config, wright? |
| 19:13.43 | zinx | Harley^: download the flash 9 tarball and extract the .so in it to somewhere, then run nspluginwrapper --install /path/to/.so |
| 19:13.51 | doudou | tarzeau, new one each boot |
| 19:13.54 | tarzeau | VI_Lenin: yes right |
| 19:14.03 | smacnay | Hi, my debian install boots using the nvidiafb module. I want that stopped. If I blacklist it, will my boot fail or will it jut use vga? |
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| 19:14.12 | tarzeau | Mitja: should just work? i haven't ever had the urge to use reiserfs though |
| 19:14.21 | tarzeau | smacnay: it won't fail |
| 19:14.35 | nn | simonrvn: I was asking because I don't see what I am missing when I uninstall the locales package.. only the warnings from various programs are annoying |
| 19:14.35 | Halleck | looks like it uses partman |
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| 19:14.41 | archangelpetro | does anyone here have a DLINK wireless card? |
| 19:14.56 | Harley^ | zinx and that will enable swf files to work under Iceweasel in a Debian Etch AMD 64 system ? |
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| 19:16.26 | doudou | tarzeau, i bought a 250GB disk, i made 50 4GB partitions, so i will begin to install freebsd, damsamallinux, and many new ones tell me the word to search in man so user doudou can set his own zoninfo |
| 19:16.26 | blaamann | archangelpetro: D-LINK cards contains various chips. |
| 19:16.39 | archangelpetro | yea, i figured as much im having difficulty :P |
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| 19:16.44 | mancubus | hi all |
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| 19:17.11 | wols_ | archangelpetro: so what chip does yours have? |
| 19:17.15 | tarzeau | doudou: dont't forget plan9, hurd, openstep and debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 19:17.19 | blaamann | archangelpetro: Figure out what chip it has and try to search for linux support |
| 19:17.24 | mancubus | I can't make "apt-get install lame" Err: E: Package lame has no installation candidate |
| 19:17.29 | doudou | tarzeau, i will launch debian within debian and qemu, and xen too |
| 19:17.38 | mancubus | Any body know what it may be? |
| 19:17.55 | wols_ | !tell mancubus about search |
| 19:17.58 | doudou | tarzeau, yes wikipedia gave me new fields ... plan9 cant compile firefox |
| 19:18.08 | tarzeau | mancubus: build your own? or use http://snow.ethz.ch/debian/lame/ ? |
| 19:18.24 | wols_ | or use debian-multimedia.org |
| 19:18.40 | cottima | Kevin` I am having problems mounting the images made with ntfsclone http://rafb.net/p/t1k2au32.html |
| 19:18.41 | mancubus | tabris|away, i use link from repos. |
| 19:18.41 | archangelpetro | wols_, im thinking it's prism |
| 19:19.01 | wols_ | archangelpetro: we don't like thinkers, we like checkers more |
| 19:19.06 | archangelpetro | ;) |
| 19:19.08 | archangelpetro | let me check ;) |
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| 19:20.08 | mancubus | wols_, i used this for search |
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| 19:20.26 | doudou | tarzeau, you told me answer, but i lost my previous debian in my previous disk, it is a story with .bash_profile and some env line about timezone |
| 19:21.00 | archangelpetro | actually, it wasnt the card i thought it was.. lol. i'm goign to have to use ndiswrapper i believe. |
| 19:21.01 | tarzeau | doudou: i don't remember |
| 19:21.13 | wols_ | archangelpetro: so what chip is it? |
| 19:21.28 | zinx | Harley^: Yes. |
| 19:21.30 | archangelpetro | im finding out exactly |
| 19:21.38 | doudou | tarzeau, maybe it was not you, thanks |
| 19:21.46 | n0mad | is the output while boot-up logged somewhere ? (i dont´ t need the kernel messages ) |
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| 19:22.13 | wols_ | n0mad: check syslog, kern.log |
| 19:22.25 | Harley^ | ls |
| 19:22.39 | pedro_mg | Lenovo R61 14" and Etch... anyone ? any problems ? |
| 19:22.54 | archangelpetro | wols_, acx100 |
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| 19:23.09 | wols_ | archangelpetro: no need for ndiswrapper |
| 19:23.10 | ma3x | some time ago, when I did sudo debf+tab it autocompleted the command debfoster. and now it doesn't. is it because I run the etch version of sudo ? |
| 19:23.30 | cottima | Sorry Kevin` I figured it out, I used ntfsmount instead of mount -t ntfs -o loop. |
| 19:23.37 | archangelpetro | wols_, aye, as far as i'm reading here, there are some drivers for it.. |
| 19:23.50 | wols_ | archangelpetro: shitty drivers, but drivers |
| 19:23.55 | archangelpetro | lol yea |
| 19:23.57 | tarzeau | ma3x: which shell? |
| 19:24.01 | archangelpetro | well i guess i'll install them and see |
| 19:24.02 | nn | pedro_mg: the e1000 driver is broken on my t60p.. |
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| 19:24.07 | tarzeau | ma3x: did you update your shell? |
| 19:24.08 | ma3x | tarzeau, bash |
| 19:24.14 | xand | YO |
| 19:24.15 | ma3x | tarzeau, it's uptodate in etch |
| 19:24.19 | doudou | tarzeau, i know what i appreciate with debian, packages are very fast to install, what i dont like is that there are too many packages, i did not find how to know names of packages that handle specific feature or command, many told me gentoo is closer to my feelings |
| 19:24.23 | ma3x | tarzeau, it completes when i do debf+tab |
| 19:24.29 | ma3x | but not when i do sudo debf+tab |
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| 19:24.30 | pedro_mg | ethernet 1000 ? wow... damn |
| 19:24.41 | archangelpetro | wols_, i worry :P maybe i should just buy a new card ;) |
| 19:24.42 | tarzeau | doudou: then feel free to try and use gentoo |
| 19:24.45 | Lukemob | hi, does anyone here have a knowledges with PhpMyAdmin? |
| 19:24.57 | tarzeau | doudou: debian gives you. you decide what you take |
| 19:25.00 | wols_ | !tell Lukemob about anyone |
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| 19:25.35 | pedro_mg | Lukemob, yes ? |
| 19:25.44 | xand | doudou: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:25.48 | Lukemob | I'm having a problem. |
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| 19:25.56 | xand | Lukemob: what problem? |
| 19:26.05 | Lukemob | Take a look here: http://gamesdesign.org/phpmyadmin |
| 19:26.13 | Lukemob | It doesn't run properly... |
| 19:26.17 | n0mad | wols_: i did. i saw a kernel (?) -message about failure to load speedstep module, but it doesnt turn up in messages, kern or syslog |
| 19:26.30 | wols_ | n0mad: lsmod |
| 19:26.34 | pedro_mg | ok |
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| 19:26.41 | nn | pedro_mg: the default configuration appears to lose packet with the recent etch kernel |
| 19:26.42 | wols_ | Lukemob: dpkg -l |grep php |
| 19:27.05 | Lukemob | Yea, and? |
| 19:27.07 | pedro_mg | nn, is it not any Router problem ? |
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| 19:27.30 | Lukemob | With PhpMyAdmin? |
| 19:27.34 | wols_ | Lukemob: pastebin the output |
| 19:27.52 | n0mad | wols_: is there a way to get the complete output while boot-up saved in a file somwhere ? |
| 19:27.57 | dererk | Lukemob, you don't appear to have well configured apachephp module |
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| 19:28.09 | Lukemob | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27984/ |
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| 19:28.10 | wols_ | n0mad: not that I know of |
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| 19:28.28 | ma3x | tarzeau, well? |
| 19:28.36 | nn | pedro_mg: the problem has also been described by other users.. |
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| 19:29.17 | Lukemob | wols_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27984/ |
| 19:29.23 | dererk | first, start checking if php it's enabled, Lukemob |
| 19:29.32 | pedro_mg | nn, thank you i'll investigate it. Do you have it connected via VGA to a TFT ? |
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| 19:29.38 | tarzeau | ma3x: no idea, i use zsh |
| 19:29.51 | Lukemob | dererk, how? |
| 19:30.07 | nn | pedro_mg: what connection are you talking about? |
| 19:30.08 | ma3x | tarzeau, is that the hackerish shell? |
| 19:30.19 | archangelpetro | wols_, still doesnt bloody work |
| 19:30.20 | doudou | xand, i new and i tried this, but it is not sufficient, i will give you an example : i need svn command, i did aptitude search svn -> i have too many irelevant answers ... |
| 19:30.25 | wols_ | Lukemob: a2enmod php5 and make sure /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf has the line AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3 .phpx |
| 19:30.31 | dacs | hi, i am running etch, i would like to setup a network between debian box and xp box , can i get help please? |
| 19:30.35 | tarzeau | ma3x: it's the shell with the right homepage, www.zsh.org |
| 19:30.38 | pedro_mg | nn, video, now i'm talking about video :) |
| 19:30.41 | dererk | Lukemob, a2enmod php5/4 |
| 19:30.44 | tarzeau | ma3x: bash didn't manage to have www.bash.org |
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| 19:31.03 | ma3x | tarzeau, so you're using it just because it has a homepage? |
| 19:31.19 | tarzeau | ma3x: no, i use one special feature together with screen, www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ |
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| 19:31.28 | tarzeau | ma3x: please look at my dotscreenrc and dotzshrc |
| 19:31.30 | nn | pedro_mg: the t60p does not have a dvi port, but I am using no external display anyway |
| 19:31.30 | archangelpetro | crappy card tbh. |
| 19:31.32 | [Nande] | !composite |
| 19:31.46 | sweetandy | What app can extract .bz2 files? |
| 19:31.55 | archangelpetro | sweetandy, |
| 19:31.57 | tarzeau | sweetandy: bunzip2 |
| 19:32.01 | archangelpetro | tar -xjf |
| 19:32.05 | archangelpetro | oh |
| 19:32.10 | archangelpetro | nvm |
| 19:32.20 | valdyn | 7z x |
| 19:32.23 | pedro_mg | nn, is the quality good ? Can you have both monitors on ? R61 14" does not have DVI. Only the 15.4 (huge) :( |
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| 19:32.40 | sweetandy | thanks |
| 19:33.02 | Lukemob | Snake-Eyes: wols_ and dererk, still the same. |
| 19:33.22 | dererk | Lukemob, what did it say? |
| 19:33.22 | nn | pedro_mg: eventually you get dvi support with a docking station, dunno about the multidisplay capabilities of the r61 |
| 19:33.23 | wols_ | tarzeau: what special feature? |
| 19:33.43 | dererk | Lukemob, if it wasn't enabled, you have to reload configuration |
| 19:33.52 | tarzeau | wols_: see the preexec in my .zshrc ? |
| 19:34.04 | pedro_mg | nn, yes maybe i'll go for the Dock Station. TY ;) They are nice machines, no ? |
| 19:34.04 | Lukemob | dererk: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27985/ |
| 19:34.19 | wols_ | yes. but I dunno what it does and too lazy to google for it :) |
| 19:34.23 | wols_ | so I ask you |
| 19:35.00 | dererk | Lukemob, you have to have just one version of php apache module enabled |
| 19:35.14 | dacs | i have a wireless AP both my XP box and Debian Box are connected to that AP i need help to network the two box together please? |
| 19:35.21 | tarzeau | wols_: if you run screen and split screens |
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| 19:35.27 | dererk | Lukemob, and you seem to have just php5 |
| 19:35.32 | dererk | (one) |
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| 19:35.38 | valdyn | dacs: they already are , probably, tried ping? |
| 19:35.38 | Lukemob | How do I disable the second one, dererk? |
| 19:35.44 | tarzeau | wols_: or just windows, the window will be labeled after the command you run in them |
| 19:35.51 | tarzeau | wols_: very nice if you use MANY screen windows |
| 19:35.53 | nn | pedro_mg: I don't know.. maybe I'd prefer a machine without built-in keyboard if I was looking for a tablet pc |
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| 19:35.58 | dererk | Lukemob, a2dismod <module> |
| 19:36.01 | tarzeau | wols_: instead of having labels like "bash", "bash", "bash" |
| 19:36.08 | zophy | as much as i rely upon debian, i do realize that most of it's components are there because they are free |
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| 19:36.20 | tarzeau | wols_: they'll be like "gcc", "make", "mc", "zsh"... |
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| 19:36.45 | Lukemob | Ok, dererk, thanks. So, what now? |
| 19:36.46 | valdyn | zophy: most? |
| 19:37.05 | dererk | Lukemob, enable the php5 module |
| 19:37.09 | dererk | Lukemob, and reload |
| 19:37.14 | Lukemob | I have already, dererk. |
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| 19:37.32 | Lukemob | Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...httpd (no pid file) not running |
| 19:37.36 | zophy | valdyn, some of the components are there because they are the best |
| 19:37.38 | Lukemob | What does it mean? |
| 19:37.42 | valdyn | zophy: nah |
| 19:37.43 | Hotwire | anyone have any ideas why realplayer will run fine when i run it from inside my etch 32bit chroot but fails when i run it via dchroot in my etch amd64 system? |
| 19:37.48 | dererk | that it's not running, Lukemob |
| 19:38.00 | ma3x | tarzeau, why did you name them dotzshrc? why not .zshrc? will it not be visible on the site? |
| 19:38.12 | valdyn | zophy: everything in debian is in debian because 1) its dfsg free and 2) because someone packaged it |
| 19:38.14 | Lukemob | Yea, but why, dererk? |
| 19:38.34 | tarzeau | ma3x: yes, but it can be made visible, if you configure the webserver to show them |
| 19:38.40 | Lukemob | dererk: look at here: http://gamesdesign.org/test.php |
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| 19:38.48 | simonrvn | Lukemob: error and warning messages are 90% actually useful in *nix, unlike some left-to-be-unnamed OSes |
| 19:38.53 | ma3x | tarzeau, what do you run? apache2? |
| 19:39.12 | tarzeau | ma3x: apache 1 |
| 19:39.27 | ma3x | tarzeau, why 1? is it more stable or what |
| 19:39.36 | tarzeau | ma3x: because i just didn't upgrade to 2 yet :) |
| 19:40.00 | ma3x | tarzeau, i guess you run sarge too |
| 19:40.05 | tarzeau | ma3x: sid |
| 19:40.08 | dererk | Lukemob, you could have a dead apache procedure, not linked with the initscript pidfile |
| 19:40.09 | simonrvn | (probably higher percentage, too) |
| 19:40.17 | tarzeau | ma3x: we run sarge at work, but i've already upgraded 50% to etch |
| 19:40.28 | dererk | Kill the process and start it by the initscript |
| 19:40.31 | Lukemob | dererk, okey. How to fix that? ;) |
| 19:40.41 | simonrvn | actually if the pid file isn't there, it isn't running |
| 19:40.46 | xand | doudou: grep :P |
| 19:40.58 | simonrvn | in its case, it is a reliable measure |
| 19:41.18 | portofu | i can download pr0n w/ ipv6? |
| 19:41.20 | ma3x | tarzeau, what does sid offer you but newer packages? |
| 19:41.21 | portofu | mistell |
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| 19:41.32 | nn | can I use a framebuffer console together with the propietary ati driver? |
| 19:41.34 | wols_ | portofu: loads |
| 19:41.48 | wols_ | portofu: unfrotunately, it's all male gay pr0n. sorry |
| 19:41.48 | tarzeau | ma3x: newer packages :) |
| 19:41.57 | portofu | lol |
| 19:41.58 | [Nande] | hey everyone, can i ask a simple question? |
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| 19:42.03 | wols_ | tarzeau: and the knowledge of living dangerously |
| 19:42.05 | valdyn | !justask |
| 19:42.05 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:42.09 | Harley^ | zinx ? |
| 19:42.11 | tarzeau | wols_: no |
| 19:42.26 | wols_ | tarzeau: don't be in denial |
| 19:42.32 | Harley^ | zinx I get compiling errors at http://pastebin.ca/597721 |
| 19:42.34 | tarzeau | wols_: the street is dangerous, more people die there by car accidents |
| 19:42.35 | ma3x | tarzeau, i had problems running sid on my laptop, clock interferred with touchpad |
| 19:42.49 | valdyn | ma3x: funny |
| 19:42.57 | tarzeau | wols_: i don't think anyone dies because he uses sid. it's not dangerous when my computer doesn't work anymore, and i can fix it myself |
| 19:43.05 | tarzeau | ma3x: that was your problem |
| 19:43.11 | [Nande] | what's the most compatible composite window manager for debian 2.6.18-4-486 etch on kde (no gnome) that is on the deb repository, plis? |
| 19:43.25 | ma3x | valdyn, when i fresh installed etch it occured again, but then I don't know what happened and the problem disappeared |
| 19:43.28 | valdyn | [Nande]: there's only compiz |
| 19:43.46 | [Nande] | thanks valdyn |
| 19:43.52 | valdyn | [Nande]: ...which supports both, kde and gnome |
| 19:43.58 | ma3x | very strange how kernel works with certain laptops |
| 19:44.04 | doudou | xand, stupidly i do not use grep as i never understood enought well some details, svn example is not so good because every body knows subversion, but i got same trick with a difficult command i cant remmember, anyway there are plenty examples making linux in general a tools for only experts or students |
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| 19:44.30 | valdyn | [Nande]: i assume you really mean aiglx window manager, as kde's default wm can use composite. |
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| 19:45.07 | ma3x | doudou, linux is like driving a car - you have to know it a little bit |
| 19:45.30 | [Nande] | valdyn, sorry i have no idea whats aiglx . |
| 19:45.30 | valdyn | [Nande]: just composite is significantly less nice than what compiz does |
| 19:45.46 | tarzeau | doudou: if you have people setting up linux and software for you, it can be used by anyone |
| 19:45.51 | dacs | valdyn: i am able to ping the xp box from my debian box, but when i click on the network icon i don't see my xp box |
| 19:45.54 | doudou | ma3x, you are right in a way, but wrong in the fact that this little bit is changing all the time |
| 19:45.57 | valdyn | [Nande]: its what you want, what enables those neat graphical effects when moving windows etc |
| 19:46.11 | tarzeau | doudou: we have such users where i work. they get an account and the login and use it (graphical login (wdm), and a menu with software (fvwm)) |
| 19:46.17 | valdyn | dacs: so both computers are networked just fine |
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| 19:46.24 | valdyn | dacs: i guess you want samba to share files |
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| 19:46.34 | loswillios | hi |
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| 19:46.55 | zinx | !info nspluginwrapper etch |
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| 19:47.04 | valdyn | dacs: your xp box too is only visible when you enable network shares. but that's for a different channel.. |
| 19:47.11 | loswillios | I don't have to move /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template to exim4.conf or do I? |
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| 19:47.26 | JC_Denton_ | How do you log off an XDMCP session? |
| 19:47.49 | valdyn | loswillios: NO |
| 19:48.05 | ma3x | tarzeau, is most of the ethz equiped with debian? |
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| 19:48.07 | loswillios | valdyn: cause I have some weird "spamd connection to 127.0.0.1, port 783 failed: Connection refused" messages in my log: http://pastebin.archlinux.org/7014 |
| 19:48.09 | dacs | valdyn: let me check and see if i have a shared drive in xp |
| 19:48.17 | tarzeau | ma3x: no |
| 19:48.31 | loswillios | valdyn: and I clearly commented the spam_address line. I don't get it… |
| 19:48.31 | kingsley | How does one split merged cells in oocalc? |
| 19:48.40 | valdyn | loswillios: update-exim4.conf uses the template and update-exim4.conf.conf to generate exims config |
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| 19:48.54 | tarzeau | ma3x: ok let me summarise it from what i know, the whole ethz is pretty large, twice as big as mit.edu, and it has like 1/3 of windows, 1/3 of mac os x and 1/3 of linux (and unix/bsd systems) |
| 19:49.01 | valdyn | loswillios: where did you comment it? in the template? |
| 19:49.07 | loswillios | valdyn: yes |
| 19:49.15 | tarzeau | ma3x: where i am, department of physics, we chose to have debian (about 150 workstations) |
| 19:49.23 | gumpish | =/ How long are Debian stable releases maintained? (And why isn't this in the FAQ or wikipedia page?) |
| 19:49.26 | ma3x | tarzeau, and you admin all of them? |
| 19:49.26 | chance2105 | VICE's display in Etch seems to have just a solid black display window, on AMD64. Is this a known issue .. ? |
| 19:49.31 | valdyn | loswillios: im not sure that's the good way to do this.. but you need to run 'update-exim4.conf' to merge your changes and restart exim4 |
| 19:49.38 | RichiH | !key |
| 19:49.38 | dpkg | methinks key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
| 19:49.42 | doudou | tarzeau, mainly i think you can too easily be catch with problems unsolvable, simple as coming here is a too big problem for simple users that want only a tool to discuss with their family |
| 19:49.58 | tarzeau | ma3x: the 150, yes. and about 150 printers, and about 30 servers (fbsd,osx,linux) and like 70 or so windows machines |
| 19:50.16 | ma3x | tarzeau, great job |
| 19:50.26 | ma3x | tarzeau, so you mess with windows too :) |
| 19:50.30 | tarzeau | ma3x: the people are great |
| 19:50.46 | tarzeau | ma3x: no, i talked we, for our group (6 people), i don't touch the windows ones |
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| 19:51.04 | dacs | valdyn: "Windows Network: workgroup" couldn't be found. Perhaps it has recently been deleted |
| 19:51.04 | tarzeau | ma3x: but all the rest. well i do, but only if nobody else is around and that's seldomly the case |
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| 19:51.11 | Lukemob | dererk, any idea mate? |
| 19:51.15 | ma3x | tarzeau, and you got some special kind of linux education? or net engineer? |
| 19:51.22 | valdyn | doudou: you're being mislead, gentoo is for people who dont mind spending _alot_ of time configuring / installing. Debian is for easy maintenance |
| 19:51.34 | tarzeau | ma3x: no, i started using it when i got fed up with windows 98 (like in 1999) |
| 19:51.52 | dererk | Lukemob, I lost you in the way. what did you last do? |
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| 19:52.00 | valdyn | dacs: so? who's giving that error? |
| 19:52.10 | dacs | valdyn: debian |
| 19:52.15 | ma3x | tarzeau, but you graduated on the ethz? |
| 19:52.18 | pedro_mg | hikenboot, atomic_bety |
| 19:52.22 | Lukemob | (21:40:05) (dererk) Lukemob, you could have a dead apache procedure, not linked with the initscript pidfile |
| 19:52.23 | valdyn | dacs: did you install samba yet? |
| 19:52.25 | Lukemob | (21:40:28) (Lukemob) dererk, okey. How to fix that? ;) |
| 19:52.33 | tarzeau | ma3x: no, i took an apprenticeship as business clerk |
| 19:52.34 | pedro_mg | pedro_mg |
| 19:52.47 | ma3x | tarzeau, i mean they do require you informatics education, no? |
| 19:52.47 | dacs | valdyn: not yet, how can i see if its installed |
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| 19:52.56 | valdyn | dacs: dpkg -l samba |
| 19:52.58 | dacs | valdyn: before i apt-get install ut |
| 19:53.02 | tarzeau | ma3x: then went to work in a hardware company doing assembly and repair of computer hardware |
| 19:53.06 | loswillios | valdyn: I did all this already… What would be "the good way" to do this? |
| 19:53.08 | tarzeau | ma3x: no, they don't |
| 19:53.11 | valdyn | dacs: at least you need to install 'smbfs' to see windows shares |
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| 19:53.39 | tarzeau | ma3x: actually just one in our group has an informatics education |
| 19:53.47 | valdyn | loswillios: ideally you only have to modify the small update-exim4.conf.conf, dont ask me more - i forgot most of it ( my exim4 just works....) |
| 19:53.57 | doudou | waldyn, i am looking for a simple system to advice too my uncle or family, something robust, i feel despear knowing him buying all new windows and still be afraid of viruses and not confident with computers |
| 19:54.01 | loswillios | valdyn: heh, alright. thx |
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| 19:54.33 | ma3x | tarzeau, i've seen the job offers in swiss job directories - %90 of them require you to have hochschule degree in informatics or physics... |
| 19:54.46 | valdyn | doudou: that excludes gentoo |
| 19:55.05 | doudou | waldyn, so i try to understand how it works, i think debian mask too many, gentoo may help to understand more |
| 19:55.05 | dererk | Lukemob, kill all apache processes, and then start it up using the initscript: (kill -9 `pidof apache2`; /etc/init.d/apache2 start) |
| 19:55.16 | tarzeau | ma3x: that's what managers think |
| 19:55.29 | dacs | valdyn: it's already installed |
| 19:55.39 | valdyn | doudou: im not sure you're the right person to assist others with their computer issues when you need help yourself |
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| 19:56.00 | Lukemob | dererk, okey thanks sir. It works now! |
| 19:56.08 | Lukemob | So, now, how about the PhpMyAdmin? |
| 19:56.11 | valdyn | dacs: then you need to create shares on winxp |
| 19:56.29 | doudou | waldyn, very funny, you prefer change people than machines, this is most dangerous way |
| 19:56.30 | ma3x | tarzeau, if 100 people apply for the same job, how they decide who gets the job, they invite a selective group on interview or they choose the most qualified one? |
| 19:56.34 | dacs | valdyn: it is shared |
| 19:56.45 | tarzeau | ma3x: yes an interview happens |
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| 19:56.59 | tarzeau | ma3x: if 100 people apply for a job, you'll invite like 2-5 |
| 19:57.02 | dacs | valdyn: i am going to read about samba and come back if i have questions |
| 19:57.10 | valdyn | ma3x: they _guess_ who is the most qualified one |
| 19:57.18 | tarzeau | ma3x: i don't know any company who chooses the most qualified one without interview |
| 19:57.34 | ma3x | valdyn, based on your diplom right? |
| 19:57.37 | valdyn | dacs: smbfs is for reading remote shares, samba for sharing to remove computers |
| 19:57.39 | tarzeau | ma3x: no business can work like that |
| 19:57.41 | doudou | waldyn, you discover things are simple when human dont want anymore to pull money making mystery with simple things |
| 19:58.09 | valdyn | doudou: gentoo is ok to learn some things |
| 19:58.28 | loswillios | valdyn: it was some spamd-calls in vexim-acl-check-content.conf. Works now, thx |
| 19:58.38 | valdyn | doudou: I dont think its useful to learn decent admin habbits |
| 19:58.41 | ma3x | tarzeau, so these 2-5 must have some kind of good degree |
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| 19:58.48 | dererk | Lukemob, check whether or not, php5 module is enabled on apache |
| 19:58.54 | tarzeau | ma3x: no |
| 19:59.02 | tarzeau | ma3x: they must be the right for the job |
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| 19:59.13 | tarzeau | ma3x: i was the right for eth because of my debian packaging |
| 19:59.26 | tarzeau | ma3x: and now again, i was contacted by people because of my packaging for debian |
| 19:59.28 | Lukemob | dererk |
| 19:59.29 | Lukemob | This module is already enabled! |
| 19:59.36 | tarzeau | ma3x: and it also happened another time |
| 19:59.53 | tarzeau | ma3x: debian's good. really good |
| 20:00.04 | dererk | grep "AddType" /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf |
| 20:00.05 | doudou | waldyn, i am not looking for admin skill, i want only to understand enought to be able to choose between simple and fair linux or complex and proprietary linux |
| 20:00.05 | ma3x | tarzeau, there are jobs that specifically require dpkg skills? |
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| 20:00.13 | dererk | Lukemob, grep "AddType" /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf * |
| 20:00.17 | tarzeau | ma3x: no, it's not about "dpkg skills" |
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| 20:00.28 | nn | what xserver-xorg-video-* package do I need for use with the propietary ati driver? |
| 20:00.31 | tarzeau | ma3x: it's the whole, not the single point |
| 20:00.49 | ma3x | tarzeau, but again it's debian, not just any linux |
| 20:00.55 | valdyn | nn: its easier to just 'apt-get install xorg' |
| 20:01.09 | Lukemob | dererk: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27986/ |
| 20:01.16 | tarzeau | ma3x: you don't just look at the womans' ass, you look at her as a whole. don't you? |
| 20:01.16 | valdyn | nn: but - if any can work its xserver-xorg-video-ati or xserver-xorg-video-vesa |
| 20:01.35 | tarzeau | ma3x: yes, it's also the hurd, gnu/kfreebsd and what not. a immensly large amount of free software |
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| 20:01.37 | ma3x | tarzeau, haha hell yeah |
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| 20:01.50 | tarzeau | ma3x: there's that really great sloc stats page about etch, good read |
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| 20:01.58 | tarzeau | ma3x: you do, right? |
| 20:02.37 | ma3x | tarzeau, depends in which kanton you live I guess? :) |
| 20:02.54 | dererk | Lukemob, does /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load say LoadModule? |
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| 20:03.25 | Lukemob | dererk |
| 20:03.25 | Lukemob | -bash: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load: Permission denied |
| 20:04.09 | dererk | Lukemob, I meant the file content |
| 20:04.16 | Lukemob | Ah |
| 20:04.17 | Lukemob | :D |
| 20:04.18 | Lukemob | Sry |
| 20:04.55 | Lukemob | LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so |
| 20:05.17 | dererk | Lukemob, :/ |
| 20:05.25 | dererk | Lukemob, I don't know then :/ |
| 20:05.45 | Lukemob | Okey, dererk, thanks a lot for trying. ;) |
| 20:05.48 | ma3x | tarzeau, so about the job, these servers and workstations. are they to be kept rather old and stable or they are being updated all the time? |
| 20:06.16 | dererk | Lukemob, keep around, in case somebody knows |
| 20:06.16 | tarzeau | ma3x: they are stable. installed with stable software and daily security updates |
| 20:06.23 | Lukemob | okey |
| 20:06.36 | Lukemob | I guess wols_ should know it. :S |
| 20:06.38 | tarzeau | ma3x: we have quite a large repository of software not in debian that we maintain ourselves |
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| 20:07.57 | ma3x | tarzeau, is there sometimes breach or security problem on the servers, or they're %99,9 secured? |
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| 20:08.13 | Lukian | <valdyn> nn: its easier to just 'apt-get install xorg' <- by that logic, it's easier to use windows :p |
| 20:08.29 | tarzeau | ma3x: we don't know of any since the time i'm there |
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| 20:08.31 | valdyn | ... |
| 20:08.41 | tarzeau | ma3x: but yes there sometimes happen breakins on systems, and they are detected |
| 20:08.50 | tarzeau | ma3x: it happens on mac os x, windows and linux |
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| 20:09.12 | ma3x | tarzeau, you know mac os too? |
| 20:09.19 | tarzeau | ma3x: yeah pretty well |
| 20:09.27 | valdyn | Lukian: its not that trivial to get a functional X without 'apt-get install xorg' and picking components instead |
| 20:09.48 | tarzeau | ma3x: the thing is we have many many people, and they work at worldwide. so chances are high they get catched their password with keyloggers |
| 20:09.57 | ma3x | tarzeau, isn't it kind of limited - the software possibilities i mean when compared to debian? |
| 20:09.58 | Lukian | valdyn, I didn't have any issue with it, why install useless packages? |
| 20:10.02 | doudou | tarzeau, You need a C++ compiler (g++) to compiler aMSN. Please install g++ and try again, and gcc -v Configured with: ../src/configure -v --enable-languages=c,c++,fortran,objc,obj-c++,treelang, what is my problem? |
| 20:10.07 | tarzeau | ma3x: we are enforcing good passwords and encrypted authentication |
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| 20:10.21 | tarzeau | doudou: why don't you just apt-get install amsn ? |
| 20:10.27 | tarzeau | doudou: do you have g++ installed? |
| 20:10.37 | doudou | tarzeau, it dont want to install last version |
| 20:10.41 | tarzeau | ma3x: no i wouldn't say it in that way |
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| 20:11.06 | tarzeau | ma3x: mac os x is what 90 % of the people (that have windows right know) would be happy with |
| 20:11.17 | tarzeau | ma3x: but i'm still looking for the button to destroy microsoft |
| 20:11.45 | doudou | tarzeau, i have not installed g++, thought gcc can compile c++, and i dont know how to find g++ packaging, aptitude saerch g++ give me all packages |
| 20:12.10 | ma3x | tarzeau, if you use good pass and encrypted authentication, pass would still get cautgh. you'd have to use a list of passwords.. |
| 20:12.13 | chance2105 | I have the problem listed in this bug ( http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-rc@lists.debian.org/msg101581.html ). I applied the patch and built the package, and the issue is fixed. It appears a security update to a package caused another to break - and it appears the fix was applied to only the i386 version of the package. Is this a bug I can poke on, to get the package updated for the other arch's? (I'm on AMD64 and |
| 20:12.13 | chance2105 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.29 | tarzeau | ma3x: true but try that on 3000 people |
| 20:12.46 | ma3x | tarzeau, try what? |
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| 20:12.58 | tarzeau | ma3x: the effort is not worth it. so we just disable the users accounts that get abused |
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| 20:13.29 | ma3x | tarzeau, how do you detect it if it's the real user or not |
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| 20:13.36 | jlund | Is there a standard location for custom shell scripts, or a best practice? I have just been throwing them in /usr/bin and I found myself questioning whether or not that was appropriate today. |
| 20:13.48 | tarzeau | ma3x: if the user abuses the resources |
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| 20:13.52 | doudou | tarzeau, !fork tarzeau is not enought and i dont know thread programming |
| 20:13.54 | quitte_ | hmm there is no man page for dpkg-substvars on my system. |
| 20:13.58 | tarzeau | ma3x: like p2p, movie sharing and the like |
| 20:14.17 | wwasher | i'm retrying the nvidia-installer (thnk you dpkg) with apt-get, and the m-a autoinstall step gives me an error suggesting that i put contrib & non-free in apt.sources. it's there! are there other reasons that it doesn't mention? does it go out to the apt-sources list to bring in the files? |
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| 20:14.47 | tarzeau | ma3x: we can track what ip is where (geographically) |
| 20:14.49 | Mitja | How can IEEE1394 be used for normal data transfer, not just audio and video files? |
| 20:14.50 | ma3x | tarzeau, in other words, you keep history of what they do and monitor network activity |
| 20:14.55 | wwasher | jlund -- depends on who uses the shell scripts |
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| 20:14.59 | tarzeau | ma3x: no |
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| 20:15.23 | quitte_ | wwasher: did you run apt-get update after putting contrib and non-free in there? |
| 20:15.25 | tarzeau | ma3x: we have an active monitoring of the machines that we manage. the border routers people detect network traffic that is unusual |
| 20:15.38 | tarzeau | ma3x: and report that to the person responsible for that network part |
| 20:15.48 | wwasher | jlund -- i put two or three in /usr/local/bin because i wanted to make them available to other users on my machine (all 1 of them!) |
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| 20:15.57 | smacnay | Hi, I have tried to blacklist a module by adding it to the /etc/modprobe.d as install nvidiafb /bin/true and updated my initramfs with dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 - no luck. |
| 20:16.00 | tarzeau | ma3x: every computer has three registered people responsible for the machine (a user, and admin (can be the same), and a backup person) |
| 20:16.03 | Mitja | I've successfully connected two etch distros by firewire and would like to know how to transfer files between them. Any ideas? |
| 20:16.08 | wwasher | jlund -- the others i just droppd in ~/bin cos it didnt matter |
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| 20:16.23 | jlund | wwasher: Thanks! |
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| 20:16.59 | foug | when i install debian through the netinst, will it ask me if i want to partition my drive? i need to keep windows on my comp. And how do i switch betwee the two |
| 20:17.00 | wwasher | quitte_ : i've had contrib & non-free in there for several months and i did an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade this morning |
| 20:17.01 | Sonderblade | how do you make a graph of the dependencies of all installed packages? |
| 20:17.02 | quitte_ | jlund: you shouldn't put anything in /usr/bin /bin... that'S what usr/local is for. |
| 20:17.18 | tarzeau | ma3x: we're no babysitters, besides that there's no time for that |
| 20:17.26 | ma3x | tarzeau, but if the person who uses the account went on holiday to brazil for example and he's connecting from there, how would you know it's not him if he wouldn't tell you he's on vacation for a couple of days |
| 20:17.46 | tarzeau | ma3x: we wouldn't know that |
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| 20:17.56 | wwasher | jlund -- i dont recall any other scripts being in /usr/local/bin/ & /usr/local/sbin/ .... i'd guess that it would depend on who the intended audience is for. |
| 20:18.31 | tarzeau | ma3x: he can use his account, but the accounts are personal and shouldn't be shared |
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| 20:19.28 | ma3x | tarzeau, but again, if resources are very important and users not so careful, there could be a possible damage |
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| 20:19.28 | tarzeau | ma3x: yes. our users are very careful |
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| 20:19.36 | wwasher | i suppose there is good room for "how do i get my mouse supported in tty console modes (particularly since i don't have a working X)?" |
| 20:19.51 | quitte_ | wwasher: imho thre is no audience that you want to put scripts in /usr/bin for. if it's not a deb i don't wantit to putfiles thre |
| 20:20.06 | smacnay | be back |
| 20:20.10 | Azar | wwasher: someone told you what to do about your sources, you were busy showing someone else something... |
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| 20:20.28 | wwasher | quitte_ : yeh, /usr/bin/ would be the wrong place |
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| 20:20.43 | Azar | see? |
| 20:20.50 | tarzeau | ma3x: here's an example what we monitor: http://bb.phys.ethz.ch/bb/bb.html |
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| 20:21.41 | wwasher | azar - yeh, i saw quitte_ suggest i update, but i did that this morning. does it become that old that quickly? |
| 20:21.45 | Lukemob | Guys, I'd need help with that: http://gamesdesign.org/phpmyadmin --- PLEASE HELP ME :( |
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| 20:22.12 | Azar | wwasher: usually you update after you edit your sources.list (by adding non-free and contrib) |
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| 20:22.54 | quitte_ | wwasher: can you paste your sources.list and the m-a command you run in a pastebin? |
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| 20:23.11 | Azar | quitte_: he does not have a running x |
| 20:23.16 | wwasher | azar : as i told quitte_, i updated sources.list to include that months ago! |
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| 20:23.27 | quitte_ | Azar: so? gpm works fine. |
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| 20:23.55 | Azar | wwasher: then your sources are incorrect... try paste in #paste or a paster so we can see what is wrong |
| 20:23.57 | wwasher | quitte_ : i'll see if i can -- i don't have X and i have never gotten the mouse to work under console modes |
| 20:24.06 | ma3x | tarzeau, did you name those servers? :) |
| 20:24.15 | tarzeau | ma3x: no |
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| 20:24.41 | smacnay | does one need discover on a machine using udev |
| 20:24.42 | tarzeau | ma3x: the ones i named are gnu, cow, io, and asdfasdf (but they are not really servers, workstations that run daemon software) |
| 20:24.59 | quitte | wwasher: just typing the relevant lines from sources.list and th command should be sufficient. i don'T expect there t be a lot of interestin stuff in the error message |
| 20:25.03 | ma3x | tarzeau, the godfather of those servers likes 'stock' |
| 20:25.30 | tarzeau | ma3x: these are mountain names of switzerland |
| 20:25.47 | tarzeau | ma3x: from the kanton glarus: http://berge.gl/ |
| 20:26.05 | hackeron_ | anyone has E17 running on sid? -- I tried to use edevelop.org repository but can't find the public key - anyone can point me to some docs? |
| 20:26.20 | Azar | wwasher: you can open an second tty and fire up the irc, join #paste and paste there... or copy the lines there |
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| 20:27.37 | Azar | wwasher: sorry, I ment join #flood |
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| 20:31.46 | smacnay | hmm, blacklisting modules on my new "lenny" install is not working. Are there some things that dpkg blacklist and dpkg blacklist-initramfs don't tell me? |
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| 20:31.55 | sanelson_ | I have unalias ls set in my bashrc... I don't dig xmas tree ls; however, under emacs, M-x shell calls it too, and of course after login, the ls alias is no longer there, so it bitches! what's teh best way around this? |
| 20:32.08 | smacnay | I really want to blacklist nvidiafb at boot |
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| 20:34.09 | foug | when i install debian through the netinst, will it ask me if i want to partition my drive? i need to keep windows on my comp. And how do i switch betwee the two |
| 20:34.18 | doudou | tarzeau, i found how to change time for user in utc system, in .bash_profile i put TZ=Europe/madrid; export TZ; thats all |
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| 20:35.17 | doudou | tarzeau, this did not work with xdm, i stop xdm and startx from hand |
| 20:35.35 | stew | foug: it will provide you with several partitioning options. it will install a bootloader that gives you a menu at boot that will let you choose between debian and windows |
| 20:35.46 | doudou | can someone tell me how to install g++ ? |
| 20:35.48 | tarzeau | doudou: cool, i also prefer startx. we run wdm at work |
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| 20:35.50 | foug | stew: thanks |
| 20:35.53 | tarzeau | doudou: apt-get install g++ |
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| 20:36.44 | hackeron_ | can someone using sid share their sources.list? - many packages missing in the official repositories |
| 20:36.53 | tarzeau | hackeron_: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 20:37.00 | valdyn | smacnay: nvidiafb? is this a custom kernel? |
| 20:37.29 | smacnay | valdyn: no, a debian stock kernel |
| 20:37.36 | hackeron_ | tarzeau: cheers |
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| 20:37.50 | black_13 | can make-kpgk build the initial ram disk |
| 20:37.51 | smacnay | seems that the kernel is correctly finding my card and loading the nvidiafb module on boot. |
| 20:37.54 | tarzeau | hackeron_: my pleasure |
| 20:38.04 | doudou | tarzeau, aptitude search g++ give all packages, aptitude install g++ install g++, maybe i am too rigid |
| 20:38.06 | tarzeau | hackeron_: you might want to use a mirror nearer to you |
| 20:38.26 | tarzeau | has someone seen "the hills have eyes II"? |
| 20:38.30 | valdyn | smacnay: 'zgrep FB_NVIDIA /proc/config.gz' |
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| 20:38.52 | hackeron_ | tarzeau: I'm using http://ftp.uk.debian.org |
| 20:39.09 | tarzeau | hackeron_: so you're located near the loch ness |
| 20:39.09 | smacnay | valdyn: no such file or directory |
| 20:39.23 | valdyn | smacnay: so its not a debian kernel |
| 20:39.31 | valdyn | smacnay: uname -r |
| 20:39.50 | smacnay | 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 20:40.07 | smacnay | valdyn: I downloaded it and installed it as a .deb. |
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| 20:40.24 | valdyn | uh, debian at least used to have this /proc/config.gz |
| 20:40.37 | tarzeau | just use /boot/config-whatever |
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| 20:42.16 | zophy | mindterm freezes up when it tries to use the gtk filechooser, why ? |
| 20:42.23 | valdyn | CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC=y is a debian kernel, this confuses me |
| 20:42.43 | smacnay | going to try something different |
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| 20:44.03 | doudou | tarzeau, eventually my logitech pro 5000 works, only with svn sources of berlios, linux-uvc-sources does not handle my version of webcam |
| 20:44.36 | doudou | tarzeau, and i have been able to compile last amsn version from sources |
| 20:45.02 | nn_ | can I keep exactly the same list of installed packages when migrating from i386 to amd64? |
| 20:45.03 | tarzeau | doudou: latest |
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| 20:45.16 | valdyn | nn_: no |
| 20:45.21 | tarzeau | valdyn: we don't know |
| 20:45.30 | tarzeau | valdyn: probably he can, chances are small he can't |
| 20:45.39 | smacnay | valdyn: Well, following the deb instructions on how to blacklist doesn't work. |
| 20:45.50 | nn_ | valdyn: are there differences in the dependencies, or where's the problem? |
| 20:45.56 | tarzeau | nn_: i was able to do so with our workstations that have 2500 packages (there was about 10 that didn't exist for amd64) |
| 20:46.04 | tarzeau | nn_: but only because debian didn't build them |
| 20:46.09 | valdyn | tarzeau: linux-image-2.6.21-1-amd64 < cant keep that one ( or his kernel ) |
| 20:46.12 | tarzeau | nn_: some software is i386 specific |
| 20:46.36 | tarzeau | valdyn: that's obvious |
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| 20:46.44 | valdyn | nn_: there's very few special packages, one of those is the kernel, you can keep the rest |
| 20:46.54 | level1 | hI, I'm trying to put linux on a usb hard drive... I installed extlinux to it, and it needs a particular file to boot... some variation on extlinux.conf or syslinux.cfg... but nothing seems to boot... it just gives me a boot prompt... whats the file? |
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| 20:47.20 | nn_ | ok, I hope I am lucky with my 140 packages |
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| 20:47.36 | doudou | tarzeau, sorry for all kind people suffering when trying to read my english, if it makes them feel better my mother language is not so good |
| 20:47.55 | doudou | good night |
| 20:48.21 | level1 | If I type "vmlinuz" at the prompt I get some loading information, and then it kernel panics... I need the second line, append initrd, to make it work, but I can't fit that into the prompt |
| 20:48.28 | level1 | it only gives me one line |
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| 20:48.59 | Azar | valdyn: isn't amd86 the -k8 ? |
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| 20:49.16 | tarzeau | level1: something like /boot/initrd.img-2.6.21.3-1 ? |
| 20:49.25 | valdyn | Azar: whatever, kernel is just a package he cant keep |
| 20:49.29 | tarzeau | Azar: you mean amd64 |
| 20:49.35 | level1 | tarzeau: yeah, I have a symbolic link there |
| 20:49.37 | Azar | ah, yes, and yes |
| 20:49.41 | tarzeau | Azar: you can build 32bit k8 kernels and 64bit ones |
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| 20:49.50 | level1 | tarzeau: append initrd=initrd.img root=LABEL=portcompy |
| 20:49.51 | tarzeau | level1: in gnu grub you can use e to edit lines |
| 20:50.01 | level1 | tarzeau: this isn't grub |
| 20:50.08 | level1 | tarzeau: its just an mbr |
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| 20:50.46 | valdyn | level1: lilo can load the initrd from command line? |
| 20:50.51 | valdyn | level1: that's news |
| 20:50.58 | level1 | valdyn: its not lilo either |
| 20:51.03 | level1 | its just extlinux |
| 20:51.06 | Azar | tehee |
| 20:51.07 | valdyn | level1: ah |
| 20:51.09 | level1 | this is on a usb drive |
| 20:51.26 | valdyn | level1: WHAT is it? does it support initrds at all? |
| 20:51.32 | level1 | it should |
| 20:51.39 | valdyn | should? |
| 20:51.42 | valdyn | umm |
| 20:51.51 | Azar | then try to add it to your bootloader |
| 20:51.59 | level1 | the person who was helping me did the samething with his usb drive |
| 20:52.05 | level1 | Azar: ? |
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| 20:52.09 | valdyn | level1: in order to read a random initrd it needs to be able to read the filesystem. that's alot for a random boot manager |
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| 20:52.37 | Azar | level1: dunno what extlinux is but say it does not have the initrd added... like lilo. try to edit/add |
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| 20:52.57 | level1 | valdyn: I'd put grub on there but he said he never got grub to work on a usb drive |
| 20:53.10 | robin_sz | has the debian team come to a concensus on gpl3 yet? |
| 20:53.35 | level1 | how do I install grub or lilo onto this thing? |
| 20:53.48 | quitte | robin_sz: was there even a dicussion? |
| 20:54.16 | Azar | robin_sz: we will be announced if/when debian team takes a decision |
| 20:54.19 | tarzeau | quitte: they're discussing, yes |
| 20:54.41 | quitte | wow. got a link to the thread? |
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| 20:54.57 | Azar | usually discussions are not public... only the decisions |
| 20:55.09 | quitte | huh? since when? |
| 20:55.17 | tarzeau | quitte: i think it was in #debain-devel |
| 20:55.27 | tarzeau | Azar: yes they are |
| 20:55.29 | Azar | since, uh.... |
| 20:55.30 | quitte | oh. nothing on the mailinglists? |
| 20:55.38 | tarzeau | quitte: certainly there as well |
| 20:55.50 | quitte | some conflict with the dfsg? |
| 20:55.53 | tarzeau | quitte: i guess debian-legal and/or debian-devel would be a good start |
| 20:55.56 | Azar | Azar: if abrotman would not show me the voting articles, I would never know that we are using a tainted kernel |
| 20:56.02 | Azar | it was quite a shock for me |
| 20:56.05 | level1 | how would I install grub on a hard drive? |
| 20:56.16 | tarzeau | level1: grub-install or install-grub |
| 20:56.49 | black_13 | how do install the vmware tools for a debian guest o/s ? |
| 20:57.52 | tarzeau | black_13: you should check with www.vmware.com |
| 20:57.59 | Azar | so now I am contemplating to go back and using woody |
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| 20:58.07 | black_13 | tarzeau, why |
| 20:58.21 | tarzeau | black_13: because we can use free software like virtualbox |
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| 20:58.38 | black_13 | zealot |
| 20:58.46 | robin_sz | Azar, thanks, I'll watch with interest ... I was reading Groklaw with various people saying "GPL3 has been warmly welcomed by debian, MySQL blah ..." and I thought it was not so |
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| 20:59.12 | Azar | robin_sz: at this point, personally I really don't care what gpl we will be using... |
| 20:59.25 | tarzeau | black_13: i'm not a member of an ancient Jewish sect in Judea |
| 20:59.29 | Azar | pushers like black_13 is weakening debian |
| 20:59.43 | black_13 | how i use it |
| 20:59.55 | level1 | tarzeau: grub keeps saying "format of install device not recognized" |
| 21:00.09 | tarzeau | Azar: it's up to the people who write software what license they use for their software |
| 21:00.19 | tarzeau | level1: what are you typing exactly? |
| 21:00.30 | robin_sz | tarzeau, the peoples popular front of judea? |
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| 21:00.46 | Azar | tarzeau: rightly so.. |
| 21:00.52 | level1 | grub-install sdb; grub-install sdb1; grub-install /dev/sdb; grub-install /dev/sdb1 |
| 21:00.53 | black_13 | eletist bs what is funny when im in the vmware group i get the crap ... go ask the debian people |
| 21:00.58 | Michael_K | Hello People everything kool? |
| 21:00.59 | level1 | tarzeau: nothing works |
| 21:01.08 | tarzeau | level1: and install-grub ? |
| 21:01.42 | level1 | tarzeau: not a command |
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| 21:01.58 | tarzeau | level1: then i don't know, the /dev/sdb should work |
| 21:02.07 | Azar | black_13: vmware is not a Debian package, if you want to use virtualbox, read about it on google articles |
| 21:02.08 | DragoraN | is tcng developed, or stopped? or under other name? |
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| 21:02.57 | black_13 | Azar, it just doesnt have the same performance |
| 21:03.03 | Azar | !tcng |
| 21:03.03 | dpkg | tcng is, like, a tool to ease writing the rules for the Quality of Service (QoS), traffic shaping , and Internet speeds limiting comapared to using the `tc` command . tcng uses C++ dialect when written . tcng code is convered to `tc` shell commands with its options. Best for Linux Admins and Network Engineers. It can really replace Cisco routers if used with Quagga router package. try it also in the PPP interface startup/shudown scripts. Tested and |
| 21:03.05 | valdyn | black_13: kvm support is in debian too ( though you need a modern cpu for it ) |
| 21:03.21 | valdyn | black_13: that one should outperform vmware, but i haven't tested |
| 21:03.40 | black_13 | when debian works its awesome in a vwmare |
| 21:03.51 | black_13 | or as a guest i mean |
| 21:04.18 | Azar | black_13: why do you like debian over another linux distro? |
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| 21:04.32 | Azar | err what do you like about debian? |
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| 21:04.39 | black_13 | size |
| 21:04.50 | black_13 | and debian-live |
| 21:04.56 | Azar | oh, interesting.. thanks |
| 21:04.58 | black_13 | i love DEBIAN-LIVE! |
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| 21:06.21 | DragoraN | so? |
| 21:06.49 | Azar | DragoraN: dunno just tried to have an info from dpkg.... you can't find the package? |
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| 21:07.08 | DragoraN | Azar: i have all installed, just asking of status of that project |
| 21:08.09 | Azar | DragoraN: contact the maintainer: http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/tcng |
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| 21:10.49 | DragoraN | thx |
| 21:11.17 | Obligatory | Hi all! What's the best/fastest free/nonfree java on Debian? I don't want to write programs, just run a few things like 'freeguide' & 'azureus'... |
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| 21:12.48 | Wyzard | Obligatory: Sun Java is in non-free |
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| 21:13.39 | Wyzard | Obligatory: That is the most complete (and generally the fastest, I believe) implementation |
| 21:14.15 | witless | hello. how do i renew a courier imap ssl certificate on etch? |
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| 21:15.34 | Southern | Hi |
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| 21:16.22 | Obligatory | Wyzard, thanks. 2nd Question: the other night I tried Sun Java, and loaded 'www.cartoonnetwork.com' and it hung 'iceweasel'. To be expected, or is my system probably configured wrong? |
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| 21:17.28 | Wyzard | Obligatory: No, that shouldn't happen |
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| 21:17.57 | smacnay | Are there any caveats to blacklisting in "testing"? The instructions I followed have not helped. |
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| 21:20.36 | smacnay | how does one determine if a module is called by another? |
| 21:20.38 | Obligatory | Wyzard, ... "that" shouldn't happen, as in that page loads on correctly configured systems or your system? |
| 21:21.20 | Wyzard | Obligatory: I don't have a Java browser plugin on this system (there is none for 64-bit, oddly, even though there's a 64-bit JRE) so I can't check |
| 21:21.33 | Wyzard | but loading a web page is never *supposed* to hang your system |
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| 21:22.41 | DragoraN | x |
| 21:22.54 | Obligatory | Wyzard, thanks for the clarification. Note that it didn't hang my system, just 'iceweasel'. |
| 21:23.29 | Wyzard | Obligatory: Well, that's not supposed to happen either |
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| 21:25.04 | Obligatory | Wyzard, yea. |
| 21:26.40 | Obligatory | Question for anybody daring and also running some flavor of Java: can your browser open 'www.cartoonnetwork.com' without crashing? |
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| 21:31.07 | Marenz | is there a way to hide .* files in the gtk file dialog ? |
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| 21:31.29 | valdyn | Obligatory: you're on debian/i386 ? is sun-java5-plugin installed and used ? or a different vm? |
| 21:31.33 | Obligatory | I'm testing too. Galeon/gij-4.1 also hangs... |
| 21:32.41 | Obligatory | valdyn, oh I had it installed last night, and wasn't doing that great, so I got to trying various alternatives. Then I figured, instead of trial & error, I'll ask around... |
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| 21:32.53 | valdyn | Obligatory: its hanging |
| 21:33.00 | Obligatory | valdyn, yes debian unstable/686 |
| 21:33.23 | valdyn | Obligatory: hanging on etch - nothing unusual, java plugins suck |
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| 21:33.39 | foug | debian wants me to choose which network interface to use and i'm not sure which to pick. Firewire or broadcom. I was thinking firewire |
| 21:33.41 | Obligatory | valdyn, "its" meaning your system on that web page? |
| 21:33.45 | valdyn | Obligatory: ( maybe java as a whole does, i cant argue that ) |
| 21:33.55 | valdyn | Obligatory: my webbrowser, on debian etch |
| 21:34.18 | Obligatory | valdyn, thanks, good it's not just me... |
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| 21:34.41 | foug | anyone know which i should pick? |
| 21:34.58 | Obligatory | valdyn, for the record, what Java do you have installed? |
| 21:35.00 | valdyn | foug: more likely broadcom |
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| 21:35.19 | foug | valdyn: why? whichever one, i need my laptop to connect to my wireless network |
| 21:35.32 | valdyn | Obligatory: oh, its gcj |
| 21:36.01 | valdyn | Obligatory: you want to do about:plugins on your browser btw, if you havent done that.. |
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| 21:37.14 | foug | valdyn: why broadcom? |
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| 21:37.54 | valdyn | foug: because that's a hardware nic, firewire is something like a usb port than can be used as a network device |
| 21:38.13 | foug | k ty |
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| 21:39.12 | valdyn | Obligatory: ah ,its hanging just the same with sun java5, weird |
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| 21:40.05 | foug | valdyn: Your network is probably not using the DHCP protocol. Alternatively, the DHCP server ,may be slow or some network hardware is not working properly |
| 21:40.11 | foug | is the error i got |
| 21:40.41 | Obligatory | valdyn, yeah I've done the 'about:plugins'. So far that page seems to hang everything. |
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| 21:41.23 | Obligatory | ahem, 'everything'='every java' |
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| 21:43.05 | foug | anyone? having trouble installing debian, i'm at the network part |
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| 21:43.41 | Obligatory | valdyn, so using that page, we've both hung Sun Java, you're hung gcj, I've hung gij-4.1... |
| 21:43.41 | gordboy | !anyone |
| 21:43.41 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 21:45.12 | Obligatory | gordboy, whassup? |
| 21:45.15 | sinizzl | hi folks |
| 21:45.38 | sinizzl | if i configure my network settings in /etc/networks/interfaces they should be automatically loaded at boot, shouldn't they?` |
| 21:45.53 | gordboy | Obligatory, nothing much i'm just wondering whether to go for coldplay or stereophonics :) |
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| 21:46.41 | Obligatory | gordboy, I suggest Wynonnie Harris. |
| 21:46.51 | gordboy | oh ? |
| 21:47.19 | Obligatory | De gustibus est non disputandem... |
| 21:48.08 | foug | when i manually setup my network, do i put in the computers IP or my networks IP? |
| 21:48.11 | gordboy | no comprendo latino |
| 21:48.21 | robin_sz | the gestation period of a bus is not in dispute? |
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| 21:49.08 | gordboy | quos deus vult perdere, prius redhatat - those whom god wished to destroy, he first gives redhat |
| 21:50.20 | Obligatory | gordboy, you learn fast. |
| 21:50.41 | gordboy | :) |
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| 21:51.13 | rolnxyz | how do I get the sources of X deb package with apt? |
| 21:51.40 | stew | rolnxyz: apt-get source packagename |
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| 21:51.49 | rolnxyz | thanks |
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| 21:52.19 | foug | anyone know the answer to my Q? |
| 21:52.22 | foug | when i manually setup my network, do i put in the computers IP or my networks IP? |
| 21:52.34 | techbee1 | !anyone |
| 21:52.34 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:52.38 | jpin | FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module fglrx.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops' |
| 21:52.41 | jpin | what now? |
| 21:52.43 | stew | foug: you are editing /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:52.45 | Obligatory | Well, tentative conclusions for my present Xchat foray -- apparently some pages can break any Java, whether Sun or free-ish. |
| 21:52.51 | foug | stew: no i'm trying to install debian |
| 21:52.59 | stew | foug: you put your computer's ip |
| 21:53.04 | sinizzl | debian sux0r |
| 21:53.08 | foug | stew: i chose broadcom for my network interface and it couldn't connect to the DHCP |
| 21:53.09 | Obligatory | is 'dpkg' human or a bot? |
| 21:53.13 | stew | sinizzl: troll elsewhere |
| 21:53.18 | stew | !what are you |
| 21:53.18 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 21:53.20 | sinizzl | hehe, stew :D |
| 21:53.23 | k1piee | investigating |
| 21:54.00 | Obligatory | sinizzl, yeah but we like it anyway. |
| 21:54.15 | stew | foug: do you have a dhcp server? is the fact that it didn't get an address via dhcp unexpected? |
| 21:54.39 | sinizzl | me too |
| 21:54.41 | sinizzl | i likes teh debian |
| 21:54.45 | sinizzl | it be teh cool |
| 21:54.46 | foug | stew: well i dunno man this is kind of new to me, i chose broadcom and not firewire. I had no problem connecting my laptop to my wireless network under XP |
| 21:55.33 | Obligatory | sinizzl, do you have browser with java? |
| 21:55.46 | sinizzl | no |
| 21:55.57 | sinizzl | i has links |
| 21:56.03 | robin_sz | I have beer, is that similar? |
| 21:56.07 | sinizzl | almost. |
| 21:56.12 | sinizzl | i has beer too. |
| 21:56.18 | sinizzl | *drink* |
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| 21:56.21 | robin_sz | Theakstons? |
| 21:56.26 | sinizzl | nope |
| 21:56.29 | robin_sz | shame |
| 21:56.34 | sinizzl | i'm drinking a swiss beer |
| 21:56.40 | stew | foug: oh, if it is wireless, the problem is probably that you aren't associated with the AP. i haven't done a wireless netinstall before, I'd probably hit alt-f2 to get to a text console and use iwconfig to manually associate it with the ap, then retry dhcp |
| 21:56.44 | robin_sz | oh, shame :) |
| 21:56.47 | gordboy | theakstons op ? i haven't heard of that for ages |
| 21:56.56 | robin_sz | gordboy, it is indeed OP :) |
| 21:57.16 | robin_sz | a fine brew. you can stand a spoon up in it :) |
| 21:57.23 | foug | stew: what's AP |
| 21:57.33 | robin_sz | access point |
| 21:57.53 | foug | thanks |
| 21:58.43 | robin_sz | sinizzl, swiss beer is like swiss wine ... *technically* it is a beer ... |
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| 21:58.55 | foug | what does LVM stand for? |
| 21:59.08 | robin_sz | linux volume manager |
| 21:59.08 | beardy | !lvm |
| 21:59.08 | dpkg | it has been said that lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 21:59.16 | robin_sz | logical |
| 21:59.20 | robin_sz | same thing |
| 21:59.20 | beardy | Mm. |
| 21:59.23 | beardy | No. |
| 21:59.52 | beardy | That'll fix it. |
| 22:00.11 | robin_sz | a pint of OP fixes *anything* |
| 22:00.21 | grew | OP? |
| 22:00.23 | grew | OPP |
| 22:00.29 | krazykit | yeah you know me. |
| 22:00.48 | gordboy | old peculier. notice the peculiar spelling of peculier |
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| 22:01.06 | Obligatory | New question: 'freeguide' is this balky java + XML based tvguide proggie. Pretty, but slow. Anything better, preferably not java? (Yes I've looked around, but live opinions are nice too...) |
| 22:01.32 | gordboy | Obligatory, i use mythweb. works nice |
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| 22:01.54 | foug | i'm confused with how to parition my drive. I only want linux to take up about 5-10GB |
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| 22:02.06 | krazykit | foug: then configure it that way. |
| 22:02.13 | beardy | !beer krazykit |
| 22:02.29 | foug | krazykit: dunno how :P i went to manual patition and got confused |
| 22:02.40 | stew | foug: then create two partitions. one that is 5-10gb and one that is a half a gb for swap |
| 22:02.44 | Obligatory | gordboy, do I have to run Mythtv too? I'm more of a 'tvtime' man... |
| 22:02.52 | foug | stew: how do i do that? |
| 22:03.13 | foug | sorry i'm a big time noobie |
| 22:03.17 | gordboy | Obligatory, you'll be glad you did. mythtv is the zenith of current linux tv tech |
| 22:04.30 | Obligatory | gordboy, well for what it does yes, but for NTSC live TV out of a coax, 'tvtime' is better. (Myth compresses everything before you ever see it.) |
| 22:04.32 | beardy | foug: It is quite intuitivie, isn't it? But firstly, this drive you are installing on, is there anything else installed on it, any data at all on it? |
| 22:04.44 | foug | beardy: yea windows |
| 22:05.14 | ShiFTKey | is it ok if debian my 500 GB Drive, but the bios only see 137? |
| 22:05.15 | stew | foug: do you have some unpartitioned free space? |
| 22:05.19 | Obligatory | ahem, by "better", I meant tvtime give a better picture. |
| 22:05.19 | ShiFTKey | see's* |
| 22:05.21 | gordboy | Obligatory, i have a cheapo cx88 dvb-t card, an internal aerial & an rf amplifier. and i get super-duper sound & vision, with pause, fast forward, rewind etc of "live" tv |
| 22:05.52 | gordboy | Obligatory, for your setup, i wouldn't know. ntsc is some kind of 1950s suckage |
| 22:06.00 | foug | stew: #1 primary 65MB #1 primary 80 GB |
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| 22:06.40 | gordboy | Obligatory, but you don't need mythtv, to have mythweb. it uses apache2 & mysql |
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| 22:07.52 | Obligatory | gordboy, I know, MythTV's swell; nothing against it for what it is. For DVB, there's no difference, as DVB is already compressed -- analog NTSC is a special case. |
| 22:08.43 | Obligatory | gordboy, thanks, I'm tempted... the 'depends' field of 'mythweb' does mention 'mythtv-common' tho'. |
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| 22:09.04 | foug | stew: if i hit enter on those do i get to edit them? |
| 22:09.17 | foug | installing ubuntu was easy i just moved a slider up and down lol |
| 22:09.41 | krazykit | foug: yes. hit enter. |
| 22:09.50 | krazykit | silly people wanting to use a mouse |
| 22:09.59 | foug | krazykit: no no to edit them |
| 22:10.08 | foug | krazykit: and change it to 10gb instead of taking up my whole drive |
| 22:10.13 | Obligatory | gordboy, for example, to install 'mythweb' apt-get says I need 17 megs of stuff. Ow! |
| 22:10.15 | foug | krazykit: it's my fathers laptop so i have to keep windows on it |
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| 22:10.40 | krazykit | foug: yes. to edit them, hit enter. |
| 22:10.50 | socialist | does anyone know where "dpkg --print-architecture" gets it's arch information from? Mine is outputting nothing |
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| 22:11.42 | foug | krazykit: what's the difference between primary #1 and 2 and pri/log ? |
| 22:11.45 | Obligatory | socialist, I don't know, but mine prints 'i386'. |
| 22:12.19 | krazykit | foug: primary vs. logical partitions. if you're unsure, go with primary. iirc, you can have 4 primary partitions. |
| 22:12.26 | Wyzard | foug: A partition table can hold up to four partitions, but one of those can be subdivided into multiple "logical drives" with its own internal structure |
| 22:12.35 | robin_sz | " it's my fathers laptop so i have to keep windows on it" ... is this some sort of law in yor country? |
| 22:12.43 | foug | krazykit: Wyzard: i see... |
| 22:12.56 | Wyzard | foug: Of the 4 entries in the partition table, a partition whose contents are used directly is a "primary partition", and one that's subdivided into logical drives is an "extended partition" |
| 22:13.14 | foug | Wyzard: there's also fat32 and ntfs next to them, which do i choose? |
| 22:13.19 | socialist | Obligatory: yeah, mine should as well |
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| 22:13.52 | robin_sz | probably the same guy that decided 640K would be aenough |
| 22:13.56 | socialist | robin_sz: logical partitions...? |
| 22:14.05 | Wyzard | foug: If you're in the partitioning step of the installer, these are existing partitions on your hard drive |
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| 22:14.12 | Wyzard | foug: Leave them alone unless you want to overwrite them |
| 22:14.23 | Obligatory | 2nd tentative conclusion of todays foray: current GUI tvguide programs tend to be big, or attached to a big infrastructure. |
| 22:14.23 | foug | Wyzard: o, no, i don't not at all, i want a new parition |
| 22:14.35 | Wyzard | foug: Do you have some unpartitioned space somewhere on your drive? |
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| 22:15.15 | foug | Wyzard: not sure i don't think so |
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| 22:15.27 | Wyzard | foug: Then you'll need to shrink one of the existing partitions |
| 22:15.37 | Wyzard | foug: You can do that by selecting one and changing its size |
| 22:15.49 | Wyzard | foug: and you should be reading the installation manual for this... |
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| 22:16.19 | robin_sz | gordboy, FYI, the OP is now gone, time to start on some "Olde Speckled Hen" :) |
| 22:16.50 | stew | old specked hen should only be drank from a nitro tap |
| 22:16.52 | foug | Wyzard: i like live help, people like you :) uhm, should i resize the ntfs one? or fat32? i'm thinking ntfs |
| 22:17.30 | Wyzard | foug: Shrink whichever one has more free space, I guess |
| 22:17.31 | Obligatory | L8a & thanks for the data... |
| 22:18.28 | jpin | how can i make a module GPL? Isn't it just a line like MODULE_LICENSE("GPL") ? |
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| 22:19.12 | kamui | my tecra is now 99% finished |
| 22:19.30 | steve | anyone know whether the interface type (sata/pata etc) affects the internal components of an HDD or is it just the logic board? |
| 22:19.33 | kamui | after rebuilding the kernel and finally getting the nvidia kernel driver to build, I've only got to figure out how to get suspend to turn back on |
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| 22:19.38 | stew | jpin: you are the module author? |
| 22:19.47 | jpin | steve: no :P |
| 22:19.57 | krazykit | jpin: then you can't magically make it gpl |
| 22:20.03 | stew | jpin: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:20.05 | kamui | s2ram dies with the error s2ram_do: No such device |
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| 22:20.23 | kamui | hibernate seems to work fine though its quite slow |
| 22:20.24 | stew | steve: do you get annoyed that people hilight you instead of me like 30 times a day? |
| 22:20.25 | jpin | well.. i was trying to (as a proof of concept) to have a module to be loaded by making it GPl |
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| 22:20.42 | steve | stew: mm very annoyed :P |
| 22:21.26 | Wyzard | jpin: Modules can be loaded even when they're non-GPL, so that can't be the whole story |
| 22:22.05 | foug | Wyzard: k i resized the ntfs parition to 70GB instead of 80Gb, now should i go to Use the largest continuous free space in guided install? will that put it on the 10GB? |
| 22:22.11 | jpin | stew: it's not. ->FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module fglrx.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops' |
| 22:22.13 | Gryfelhase | how do i specify a port, when using modconf? Is this module-specific? |
| 22:22.26 | jpin | i mean *Wyzard |
| 22:22.29 | Wyzard | foug: You can do that, yes |
| 22:22.48 | Wyzard | jpin: That's a bug in the kernel -- paravirt_ops wasn't meant to be GPL-only -- and it's fixed in 2.6.21 |
| 22:22.59 | jpin | Wyzard: i'm using 2.6.21 |
| 22:23.13 | Wyzard | jpin: Debian's? |
| 22:23.16 | jpin | yeah |
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| 22:23.36 | Wyzard | jpin: I ran into that issue with nVidia's driver on 2.6.20, but it's fine on 2.6.21 |
| 22:23.46 | jpin | Wyzard: hm.. so what now? |
| 22:24.17 | jpin | Wyzard: anyway, as a proof of concept, if i change the module to GPL, shouldn't it work?! |
| 22:24.17 | Wyzard | jpin: You could compile a custom kernel with paravirt omitted, since you're probably not using it anyway |
| 22:24.29 | Wyzard | jpin: It should work, yes |
| 22:24.45 | Wyzard | jpin: And it might not even be copyright infringement, assuming you don't distribute the resulting .ko file |
| 22:24.55 | Wyzard | jpin: but I'm not a lawyer so don't take my word for it |
| 22:25.14 | jpin | Wyzard: in practice, i really just wan't to have a driver working on my laptop :P |
| 22:25.22 | Wyzard | jpin: It'd be better to fix the GPL-only-ness of paravirt_ops than to circumvent ATI's license |
| 22:25.45 | jpin | Wyzard: but that leads me to compile the whole kernel, no? |
| 22:25.51 | Wyzard | probably, yeah |
| 22:25.58 | jpin | that stinks! |
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| 22:26.37 | __david | how do i tell debian to stop all my softraid devices, delete them, and let me make a new one? |
| 22:26.37 | stew | jpin: which radeon chipset are you using? |
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| 22:26.47 | jpin | stew: x700 ati |
| 22:26.49 | Szeraax | ok guys, question. how do i add a cd into my apt sources.list? |
| 22:27.21 | stew | jpin: do you need 3d accelleration? |
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| 22:27.37 | Wyzard | jpin: hmm, weird... looks like the paravirt thing might actually not be fixed until 2.6.22, so I'm not sure why nvidia.ko built successfully on my 2.6.21 |
| 22:27.52 | jpin | stew: if my laptop supports it, why wouldn't i want it to be working? |
| 22:28.00 | kamui | Wyzard, simple answer, turn off previrtualization in your kernel |
| 22:28.08 | jpin | Wyzard: thanks for looking into that |
| 22:28.19 | kamui | nvidia kernel driver will buied easy without that stupid gpl dependency error |
| 22:28.23 | stew | jpin: becuaes it requires you to jump through the hoops your are unsuccessfully trying to jump through to use a non-free driver |
| 22:28.56 | jpin | stew: :-), a good reason would be for instance... google earth |
| 22:28.58 | kamui | just built the 9755 drivers in 2.6.21-1 |
| 22:28.59 | Wyzard | kamui: That was my suggestion to jpin, but I'm using Debian's stock 2.6.21 didn't encounter the problem |
| 22:29.04 | foug | The specified Debian archive mirror is either not availble, or does not have a valid Release file on it. |
| 22:29.05 | Wyzard | kamui: That's what's confusing me |
| 22:29.06 | foug | what should i do? |
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| 22:29.18 | kamui | weird Wyzard I used stock .21 kernel and I got the previrt error |
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| 22:29.25 | kamui | thats why I had to rebuild it |
| 22:29.29 | kamui | after that it worked fine |
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| 22:29.44 | Wyzard | kamui: weird... I didn't have to rebuild anything |
| 22:29.46 | kamui | the other solution is to manually patch the nvidia kernel driver to not check gpl deps |
| 22:29.46 | foug | i tried debian.org and debian.us.org, neither work it seems. |
| 22:29.55 | kamui | Wyzard, very strange |
| 22:29.56 | Wyzard | kamui: On 2.6.20 I had that happen, but 2.6.21 was fine |
| 22:30.07 | kamui | Wyzard, well, I guess just be happy then |
| 22:30.09 | jpin | kamui: how do you make it to _not_ check gpl desp? |
| 22:30.17 | jpin | *deps |
| 22:30.29 | kamui | jpin, its much much much much harder than simply removing previrtualization from your kernel |
| 22:30.35 | kamui | save yourself an hour |
| 22:30.39 | kamui | rebuild your kernel |
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| 22:30.52 | jpin | kamui: ?! .. shouldn't it be just make the module GPL? |
| 22:31.39 | kamui | jpin: I spend half a day trying to patch the nvidia kernel driver, and I would keep hitting errors at different points in the build process, its not worth the effort |
| 22:31.49 | jpin | when is .22 coming out on debian anyway.... 3 ot 4 weeks? |
| 22:31.50 | kamui | jpin: just uncheck previrtualization and be done with it |
| 22:32.00 | kamui | is there some need for you to have it enabled in your kernel? |
| 22:32.12 | Wyzard | jpin: Adding that MODULE_LICENSE thing doesn't actually make the module GPL, it just lies to the kernel to make it *think* the module is GPL |
| 22:32.15 | jpin | kamui: nope.. at least for now |
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| 22:32.33 | krazykit | jpin: sometime after .22 is released :P |
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| 22:32.42 | jpin | Wyzard: so why is the kernel so *smart* and doesn't get tricked? |
| 22:32.42 | Wyzard | kamui: Presumably jpin would prefer not to compile a whole custom kernel just for the sake of loading one driver |
| 22:32.49 | foug | do i need to set up an HTTP proxy for it to work? |
| 22:32.58 | kamui | jpin: if you want, Iill link you to the directions to patch the nvidia kernel, its not for debian but it works, so if you want to give that a try, you're welcome to it |
| 22:33.06 | Wyzard | kamui: especially when it's a known bug that'll be fixed in 2.6.22 anyway |
| 22:33.08 | jpin | krazykit: :-) |
| 22:33.14 | stew | its not a bug |
| 22:33.21 | stew | its a feature |
| 22:33.34 | kamui | well, they said that since 2.6.18, and its not been fixed by 2.6.21, so I wouldn't hold your breath |
| 22:33.35 | jpin | kamui: i have ati x700 |
| 22:33.39 | stew | the kernel prevents you from creating an illegal configuration |
| 22:33.44 | kamui | why do you need nvidia drivers then jpin |
| 22:33.50 | dansushi[server] | hey, just wondering people, anyone think this is a good deal for a 500Gb HD? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152052 |
| 22:33.57 | jpin | kamui: i don't, i'm talking from nvidia since the start |
| 22:34.01 | jpin | *ati i mean |
| 22:34.08 | jpin | :P |
| 22:34.16 | kamui | Im totally confused |
| 22:34.20 | krazykit | dansushi[server]: why didn't you just say th $amt? |
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| 22:34.38 | dansushi[server] | oh, well, the amount isn't it all |
| 22:34.39 | Wyzard | stew: "The NVIDIA Linux graphics driver calls udelay(), which has traditionally been available to non-GPL licensed modules; it seems that on kernels configured with CONFIG_PARAVIRT, udelay() references the GPL-only symbol paravirt_ops, thereby becoming a GPL-only utility macro itself. This is a regression in the Linux kernel." |
| 22:34.40 | dansushi[server] | but it's 109 |
| 22:34.41 | jpin | kamui: the problem is identical.. fatal error on paravirt |
| 22:34.43 | Wyzard | stew: That's the bug |
| 22:34.45 | dansushi[server] | us$ |
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| 22:35.01 | Wyzard | stew: It wasn't intended to be GPL-only |
| 22:35.26 | krazykit | dansushi[server]: good price. i'd buy 2 and put them in raid |
| 22:35.31 | krazykit | if i had 200bux |
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| 22:35.52 | dansushi[server] | krazykit: i probably should, but don't have that much $ |
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| 22:36.03 | stew | i don't believe it, i can't believe someone wrote some software, and forgot to not make it gpl only. i think someone released some software and later decided to add an additional licenase |
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| 22:37.02 | Wyzard | stew: As I understand it, paravirt_ops is a table of function pointers, and on a paravirt-enabled kernel, udelay() is a macro which invokes one of the pointers in the paravirt_ops table |
| 22:37.11 | stew | yes |
| 22:37.27 | Wyzard | stew: Even if the target of that pointer (the actual udelay() function) is non-GPL-only, it gets snagged on paravirt_ops itself being GPL-only |
| 22:37.43 | stew | ok |
| 22:38.02 | simonrvn | holy smokes that's fucked up |
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| 22:38.12 | Wyzard | stew: and paravirt_ops wasn't really intended to be forbidden to non-GPL modules; it was marked that way because (reportedly) its structure isn't stabilized yet |
| 22:38.33 | Wyzard | but it wasn't intended to cause problems like this so they're removing the GPL-only tag |
| 22:38.42 | simonrvn | er, that's not the way to lock it out... |
| 22:38.45 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 22:39.24 | stew | i need to try harder to stay out of discussions about non-free software in here |
| 22:40.10 | simonrvn | i'd just mark it EXPERIMENTAL... and then not doing anything except license it properly (IN COMMENTS) |
| 22:40.16 | zinx | stew: too bad /ignore doesn't work on yourself, eh? |
| 22:40.24 | kamui | gangster |
| 22:40.29 | Wyzard | simonrvn: yeah, somebody goofed |
| 22:40.43 | kamui | anyway, previrtualization goodbye = beryl hello |
| 22:40.57 | zinx | beryl is dead now |
| 22:40.58 | Wyzard | kamui: para, not pre |
| 22:41.02 | kamui | please |
| 22:41.08 | kamui | what a silly statement zinx |
| 22:41.14 | kamui | beryl is very much alive and kicking |
| 22:41.25 | socialist | I'm running it now |
| 22:41.27 | zinx | ... no it isn't |
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| 22:41.39 | socialist | fusion isn't stabilized yet |
| 22:41.47 | stew | kamui: aiui the good features are getting rolled into compiz instead of developing beryl much farther |
| 22:41.57 | slack101 | MangosDebian, you up ? lol |
| 22:42.03 | kamui | yea, I heard beryl and compiz are remerging |
| 22:42.05 | branstrom | What privilege options are there for a user specification in the sudoers file? I can't find that stuff in the manuals |
| 22:42.10 | kamui | doesn't make beryl dead |
| 22:42.11 | socialist | kamui: compiz-fusion, yes |
| 22:42.17 | socialist | kamui: exactly |
| 22:42.32 | kamui | just means the project is being renamed for all intents and purposes |
| 22:42.33 | zinx | it makes beryl dead |
| 22:42.36 | zinx | and compiz-fusion alive |
| 22:42.36 | zinx | :P |
| 22:42.48 | zinx | no, compiz + beryl is not compiz or beryl |
| 22:42.58 | zinx | it's not a 'rename' |
| 22:42.59 | kamui | yea, I guess you can say that, just like you can say a blow job isn't sex |
| 22:43.05 | simonrvn | it's an unfork and merge :P |
| 22:43.16 | branstrom | Right now there's one line for root only, root ALL(=ALL) ALL |
| 22:43.19 | socialist | kamui: hahaha |
| 22:43.19 | zinx | a rename is when the same code gets called something else - that's not the case here |
| 22:43.53 | kamui | zinx I give, I give, the point is more or less that we'll be seeing more of the same goodness in the future |
| 22:43.55 | socialist | this argument is pointless |
| 22:43.59 | zinx | well sure |
| 22:44.00 | stew | its probably not important for use to nail down specific terminology for what is happening |
| 22:44.10 | zinx | socialist: sorry, nothing better to do |
| 22:44.11 | stew | ^use^us |
| 22:44.19 | socialist | zinx: heheh me neither apparently ;) |
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| 22:45.41 | socialist | do the debian beryl packages work alright? |
| 22:46.02 | zinx | if they're not in experimental or a third-party repository, they probably work fine |
| 22:46.08 | stew | socialist: there are no debian beryl packages |
| 22:46.20 | socialist | that answers that |
| 22:46.37 | socialist | all my deb boxes are headless, I'm on gentoo here |
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| 22:47.19 | socialist | hm, compiz but not beryl |
| 22:47.30 | bzed | beryl is merged into compix anyway |
| 22:47.35 | bzed | at least most parts of it |
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| 22:47.46 | stew | bzed: welcome to 5 minutes ago :) |
| 22:47.50 | socialist | haha |
| 22:48.01 | _RedShift_ | just wondering... if I was going to set up a graphical interface for someone to manage their virtual server, what's a good choice? kde, or gnome? |
| 22:48.14 | __david | _RedShift_: what about fluxbox? |
| 22:48.24 | Wyzard | _RedShift_: XFCE at most... a full desktop environment is big-time overkill on a server |
| 22:48.32 | socialist | _RedShift_: open/black/fluxbox, windowmaker, xfce |
| 22:48.34 | _RedShift_ | __david, haven't had any experience with it. |
| 22:48.37 | Wyzard | _RedShift_: No DE at all would be preferable -- just a window manager and whatever app(s) you need |
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| 22:48.43 | __david | _RedShift_: it's retardedly simple |
| 22:48.53 | __david | the launcher is activated with a right click |
| 22:49.02 | __david | and it's just normal X beyond that |
| 22:49.08 | _RedShift_ | wow |
| 22:49.14 | __david | ultra-minimal |
| 22:49.18 | nofxxx | best command to remove comments on a file?? this is not working: sed '/ *#/d; /^ *$/d' |
| 22:49.30 | _RedShift_ | ... i just did a check on gnomes footprint vs fluxbox |
| 22:49.35 | _RedShift_ | gnome: 1006MB |
| 22:49.39 | _RedShift_ | fluxbox: 5MB |
| 22:49.42 | nofxxx | geez |
| 22:49.42 | __david | in ram? |
| 22:49.48 | _RedShift_ | hard drive. |
| 22:49.53 | __david | oh, yea |
| 22:50.04 | __david | fluxbox is just the desktop |
| 22:50.08 | __david | gnome has applications |
| 22:50.13 | stew | nofxxx: cp /dev/null filename |
| 22:50.17 | __david | you'll want to install the usability stuff if you use fluxbox |
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| 22:50.27 | __david | gedit, emacs, gvim, xterm, etc |
| 22:50.35 | nsx | and blackbox is even less space |
| 22:50.35 | bzed | stew: :P |
| 22:50.39 | __david | whatever floats your boat, but it probably isn't included |
| 22:50.46 | socialist | stew: evil |
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| 22:50.49 | _RedShift_ | whats the difference between blackbox and fluxbox? |
| 22:50.50 | __david | ratpoison's small too, i think |
| 22:51.01 | nsx | fluxbox has gay tabs |
| 22:51.03 | nsx | :) |
| 22:51.14 | _RedShift_ | tabs...? |
| 22:51.21 | __david | i've never used tabs |
| 22:51.26 | socialist | what tabs? |
| 22:51.26 | stew | socialist: eh? why? |
| 22:51.31 | nofxxx | stew, why you hate me, brotha? |
| 22:51.37 | bzed | !tell nsx about gay |
| 22:51.42 | stew | nofxxx: what? |
| 22:51.52 | nsx | I really don't know what the difference by now is, but it seemed like fluxbox was a little more monolithic |
| 22:51.53 | socialist | harhar |
| 22:51.56 | stew | nofxxx: oh i'm sorry |
| 22:52.04 | stew | nofxxx: I read comments as contents |
| 22:52.10 | __david | so, how do I make the installer overwrite partitions that it thinks are in a raid array but aren't |
| 22:52.12 | _RedShift_ | blackbox: 1400kb |
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| 22:53.03 | nofxxx | stew, xDD heheh cool man .. I was thinking that will run it somehow.. almost typed it... |
| 22:53.04 | stew | nofxxx: sed 's/#.*//' |
| 22:53.19 | stew | nofxxx: yeah, i've very sorry, glad you had the sense not to run it |
| 22:53.25 | donaldo | does samba cache directory listings? and does samba use libfam to keep those up to date? |
| 22:53.34 | _RedShift_ | what dm should I use? xdm? |
| 22:53.36 | kamui | testing hibernation time brb |
| 22:53.37 | nsx | there's no way you can remove comments with sed |
| 22:53.59 | nsx | sed works on lines |
| 22:54.05 | nsx | comments can span multiple lines |
| 22:54.28 | simonrvn | better do 's/^#.*//g' |
| 22:54.35 | nsx | but simple # comments can be removed with s/^#.*// or something of the sort |
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| 22:54.43 | oush | what do u have to do to transfer channel owner ship to someone? |
| 22:54.44 | nsx | no need for /g. |
| 22:54.56 | simonrvn | habit heh |
| 22:54.58 | stew | oush: ask in #freenode |
| 22:55.09 | oush | i have |
| 22:55.11 | oush | no reply :S |
| 22:55.29 | donaldo | oush: that doesn't make this channel a more appopriate place to ask |
| 22:55.33 | stew | oush: you are currently the owner? |
| 22:55.40 | nofxxx | stew , cool man... I say thanks to you... tryed to help me...that is what matter xD |
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| 22:56.01 | kingsley | Can a local package be installed if it depends on other packages that reside in a remote repository? If so, how? |
| 22:56.02 | nofxxx | wait.. trying all that out... |
| 22:56.22 | stew | kingsley: dpkg -i packagename ; aptitutde -f install |
| 22:56.27 | oush | stew can i pm? |
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| 22:56.55 | oush | my friend wants to transfer the chan to me |
| 22:56.59 | oush | should he set it to 50? |
| 22:57.13 | foug | what's the command to turn my computer off |
| 22:57.14 | foug | shutdown? |
| 22:57.29 | foug | nope, just tried it |
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| 22:57.40 | kingsley | stew: Is it necessary to use both "dpkg" and "aptitude"? |
| 22:57.56 | stew | oush: he should set you as channel contact too, /msg chanserv help set |
| 22:57.57 | stew | kingsley: yes |
| 22:58.03 | {cyborg} | foug: shutdown -h now, halt, poweroff |
| 22:58.15 | eifzon | anyone here using ext2resize? |
| 22:58.15 | foug | what's the h stand for |
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| 22:58.21 | __david | so, if linux thinks that "The device or resource is busy" that i'm trying to add to a raid array (b/c it got corrupted, but still works), what do I need to do to free it again? |
| 22:58.21 | __david | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.27 | {cyborg} | foug: halt the system |
| 22:58.34 | foug | none of those commands worked |
| 22:58.38 | foug | i'm using the netinstall |
| 22:58.52 | stew | __david: you need to stop the processes that are making the device busy |
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| 22:59.09 | oush | thanks got it |
| 22:59.10 | {cyborg} | foug: some computers have problems being halted down. It's mainly an ACPI problem. |
| 22:59.12 | __david | stew: i'm using a recovery cd--it should even be mounting the disks |
| 22:59.20 | foug | {cyborg}: shutdown -h now |
| 22:59.22 | foug | command not found |
| 22:59.22 | __david | and I'm not sure how to figure out what, if anything, is using them |
| 22:59.48 | __david | stew: shouldn't even be.. |
| 23:00.06 | {cyborg} | foug: you told about netinstall, if so then try 'reboot' instead |
| 23:00.16 | kingsley | stew: I'm curious how using two commands helps, and if you'd care to elaborate, I'll read your reply with interest. |
| 23:00.45 | foug | {cyborg}: command not found |
| 23:00.52 | foug | this is stupid |
| 23:01.12 | {cyborg} | foug: try with absolute paths |
| 23:02.07 | foug | {cyborg}: how do i do that |
| 23:02.19 | {cyborg} | foug: enter /sbin/halt for example |
| 23:02.28 | nn | eifzon: I've used xfsresize.. |
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| 23:03.16 | rainabba_ | On a new install of Etch, I used Synaptics to install nvidia-glx and the associated kernel updates, ran dpkgk reconfigure xserver-xorg, now X refuses to start and reports "Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module". Do I really need to go follow one of these involved howto's to fix this? What's going on? |
| 23:03.25 | foug | {cyborg}: i don't get it, i just need to turn off or reboot my system. And why won't shutdown work |
| 23:03.41 | stew | kingsley: neither apt-get nor aptitude has the ability to install a local file, they only now how to install from repositories. dpkg has no ability to resolve dependencies, so you use dpkg to install, then apt-get or aptitude with -f install to resolve the (now broken) dependencies |
| 23:03.55 | foug | stew: how can i shut my comp off? |
| 23:03.58 | stew | kingsley: it could be that synaptic has the ability to do both, i don't konw though i've never used it |
| 23:04.02 | stew | foug: run "halt" |
| 23:04.02 | _RedShift_ | foug, shutdown -h now |
| 23:04.10 | foug | _RedShift_: command not found |
| 23:04.14 | rainabba_ | apt-get install ./localfile should work |
| 23:04.14 | stew | foug: as root |
| 23:04.17 | _RedShift_ | foug, did you do it as root? |
| 23:04.18 | foug | how do i become root |
| 23:04.33 | kingsley | stew: I see. |
| 23:04.56 | foug | i tried sudo in front of it and it didn't work |
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| 23:05.07 | foug | this is upsetting me |
| 23:05.11 | slack101 | stew, http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/205/11111oi0.jpg :D |
| 23:06.09 | rainabba_ | foug: Open another terminal and login as root, su -, sudu su; any of those should work |
| 23:06.18 | rainabba_ | Or one of them anyway |
| 23:06.28 | foug | rainabba_: i'm using the netinst, i have no gui dude |
| 23:06.41 | rainabba_ | foug: I didn't say anything about a gui |
| 23:06.51 | stew | foug: use "su" to become root |
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| 23:08.49 | foug | stew: i think that worked |
| 23:08.54 | foug | stew: it did! thanks |
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| 23:09.05 | foug | rainabba_: i have no idea how to open another terminal unless i have a gui, can ya tell me real qiuck? |
| 23:09.21 | rainabba_ | Ctrl-alt F1, F2, F3.... Those are all terminals |
| 23:09.35 | rainabba_ | F7 typically has X when it's running |
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| 23:11.31 | bonez39 | xand, still around? got another minute? |
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| 23:11.35 | rainabba_ | foug: That's pretty basic linux knowledge so I suggest you go grap a book or readup online. Find some Linux for dummies or something. |
| 23:11.44 | rainabba_ | s/grap/grab |
| 23:11.50 | robin_sz | bah, iceweasel, bag of pooh |
| 23:11.59 | foug | rainabba_: i'm still new :P thanks though man |
| 23:12.09 | robin_sz | locking up trying to contact doubleclick |
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| 23:13.12 | nn | lol "fireglcontrol" is such a crap.. even the "link sliders" function doesn't work |
| 23:13.17 | bonez39 | xand, I am back home now...I ssh'ed to my office machine, where I was earlier...su'd to root to run 'tail -f /var/log/exim4/mainlog' then sent myself an email...and got the following: 2007-06-30 17:09:46 H=wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180] F=<sanchiro@gmail. com> rejected RCPT <scott@fyrenice.dynalias.com>: relay not permitted |
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| 23:16.59 | xand | bonez39: you need to tell exim that fyrenice.dynalias.com is a local domain |
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| 23:17.52 | bonez39 | xand, ok.....where do I tell exim that? in exim's conf file? or /etc/hosts/ or where? |
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| 23:19.13 | xand | bonez39: the former... running "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" is easiest |
| 23:19.20 | bonez39 | ok.... |
| 23:19.45 | cottima | Kevin` sorry to bother you but, in theory for ntfsclone, do you think I could restore a special image format to a new image as a sparse file? So I can backup with sparse, and if I need to mount it, just restore to a sparse file. |
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| 23:21.03 | bonez39 | xand, one more quick question...that first question...about whether I use a smarthost or am directly an internet site..I think I use comcast as my smarthost... |
| 23:21.36 | xand | it remembers what the current setting is |
| 23:21.41 | xand | so if sending works, don't change it |
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| 23:29.36 | bonez39 | I ran dpkg-configure....but doubt I added 'fyrenice.dynalias.com' in the correct screen |
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| 23:32.16 | CXR|Anthony | Hi all :) |
| 23:33.39 | CXR|Anthony | I want to know if when i reload bind the under field is immediatly activated ? |
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| 23:35.34 | Kevin` | !bind bin/tip |
| 23:35.45 | Kevin` | !find bin/tip |
| 23:35.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/tip' (1): (/usr/bin/tipptrainer) in games/tipptrainer. |
| 23:36.02 | Kevin` | :( |
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| 23:36.40 | klobster | what is debians default sh, dash or bash? |
| 23:36.47 | beardy | bash |
| 23:37.14 | beardy | klobster: 'ls -la /bin/sh' and you would have seen |
| 23:37.36 | RichiH | klobster: bash |
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| 23:38.31 | RichiH | beardy: that is not reliable, though |
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| 23:40.06 | rainabba_ | Has debian.beryl-project.org been hacked? |
| 23:40.33 | Enverex | Why do you say that? |
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| 23:41.34 | klobster | beardy: I am on ubuntu, not "pure" debian, so I was hoping someone would do a readlink /bin/sh to tell me |
| 23:41.47 | klobster | thank you though. |
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| 23:42.28 | loxley_ | rainabba_: it sure looks, err, strange :) |
| 23:42.32 | kingsley | Does Quake have any non-violent derivatives? |
| 23:43.16 | rainabba_ | Enverex: Have you looked at it today? |
| 23:43.23 | rainabba_ | Shrine of Osaka? |
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| 23:43.58 | Enverex | rainabba_, Looked fine for me |
| 23:44.19 | Enverex | rainabba_, Looks like either your machine or DNS has been hacked |
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| 23:46.24 | _gpg_ | mercurial people seem to be sleep :) |
| 23:46.29 | eifzon | anyone here good of changing size on a harddrive? |
| 23:46.47 | _gpg_ | i would like if someone knowa GUI for mercurial please |
| 23:47.28 | _gpg_ | google returned me just few broken links |
| 23:47.41 | zinx | _gpg_: it suggests one |
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| 23:47.56 | _gpg_ | zinx wich one ? |
| 23:48.07 | zinx | _gpg_: the one the mercurial package suggests |
| 23:48.36 | zinx | _gpg_: you can also search for mercurial, and get a few related packages including some GUIs |
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| 23:52.20 | rainabba_ | That could explain why the repos aren't responding either, but otherwise makes no sense. Someone hacked Cox.net DNS servers only for debian.beryl-project.org ? |
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| 23:53.06 | Enverex | rainabba_, Check your /etc/hosts |
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| 23:55.23 | eli1 | anyone using debian + X11 + two screens ? |
| 23:56.22 | eli1 | I cannot change between screens using only keyboard, I have to move the mouse pointer. |
| 23:56.43 | eli1 | There is a way to get around this ? |
| 23:56.57 | eli1 | I'm using gnome. |
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| 23:57.02 | eli1 | as WM |
| 23:57.03 | dcordes | eli1, try XGL :) two screens and compositing is fun! |
| 23:57.40 | dcordes | eli1, many of the released images are obsolete |
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| 23:57.49 | stew | eli1: how to do it would depend on which window manager you are using |
| 23:57.54 | stew | eli1: gnome isn't a window manager |
| 23:57.58 | qrck | anyones using linux-image-2.6.21-1-686 with etch ? |
| 23:58.02 | dcordes | sorry, chan. |
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| 23:59.05 | smimp | qrck, nope.. do you need to grab it from unstable? i'm doing it now |
| 23:59.09 | eli1 | stew: My WM I think is gnome... well how do I discover it... |
| 23:59.48 | qrck | i installed lenny and used that kernel, some things went smooth but some not, but the system was more responsive |
