| 00:00.07 | bpun | micky, so you probably want to use multi-link no? |
| 00:00.11 | simonrvn | ethernet bridging |
| 00:01.02 | micky | bpun it doesnt matter as long as i can either ( add a new virtual subnet and have new clients go through that connection ) or do something else ( no idea what ) |
| 00:01.04 | bpun | micky, check out for any packages that offer load-balancing.. |
| 00:01.07 | puddingpimp_work | micky, so is it ethernet over ADSL or PPPo[AE] half-bridge? |
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| 00:02.27 | kelm | hi all |
| 00:02.32 | micky | puddingpimp_work there are 2 adsl routers with ethernet connections in front of the server ( but i can use usb adsl routers to pppo[ae] if required) |
| 00:03.04 | puddingpimp_work | micky, ring your isp and find out if they can do PPP-multilink, and look into setting that up |
| 00:03.07 | bpun | micky, you may also wanto to look into QOS |
| 00:03.24 | bpun | micky, and make priority rules |
| 00:03.37 | puddingpimp_work | micky, if they will only do separate accounts, then use BGP |
| 00:04.08 | simonrvn | i would imagine be already QoS since it's adsl and not sdsl |
| 00:04.15 | simonrvn | already using* |
| 00:04.38 | micky | could be |
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| 00:06.06 | bpun | micky or you can always try to be smart and uncap your isp modem :) |
| 00:06.10 | micky | hmm going to set up a box and another 2 to act as internet servers and 2 for clients and see what i can come up with withouth having to ask my isp to change their stuff |
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| 00:07.06 | bpun | micky, so if you're running a sever(webserver i presume), i see some things in the way.. |
| 00:07.13 | micky | bpun well the modems are not capped.. the adsl line is in their main telephone exchange unit is |
| 00:07.37 | puddingpimp_work | micky, I don't know what your isp is like, but I generally find it easier to ask my ISP to do things properly than build huge kludges which only sometimes work... |
| 00:07.51 | micky | bpun no web server, it`s a box used for traffic shaping and routing |
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| 00:08.07 | eifzon | how do i get the libc header files for debian etch? |
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| 00:08.27 | karsten | eifzon: Install them. |
| 00:08.29 | micky | puddingpimp_work if i would like my isp to do bgp i would have to go to their hq and doo it myself.. so imagine :) |
| 00:08.34 | eifzon | karsten: name of it |
| 00:08.43 | karsten | !tell eifzon about search |
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| 00:08.51 | simonrvn | !tell eifzon -about search |
| 00:08.56 | simonrvn | teehee |
| 00:09.16 | karsten | simonrvn: hee | tee |
| 00:09.22 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:09.26 | simonrvn | good one |
| 00:09.31 | eifzon | libc6-dev was the na,e :D |
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| 00:09.39 | puddingpimp_work | micky, you have serious problems if your isp can't do BGP :O |
| 00:09.46 | simonrvn | see, that was easy wasn't it? |
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| 00:09.47 | karsten | eifzon: Yeah, sounds about right. |
| 00:09.50 | kelm | hi all |
| 00:10.02 | eifzon | hehe karsten .) |
| 00:10.28 | bpun | micky, you probably then want to look into igmp if you have another remote gatepoint.. |
| 00:10.31 | simonrvn | karsten: good evening young sir |
| 00:10.44 | abrotman | young ? |
| 00:10.53 | simonrvn | younger than 70 |
| 00:10.59 | abrotman | younger than a tortoise :) |
| 00:10.59 | micky | puddingpimp_work they probably have 2-3 admins that set up all the equipment in the country and have ppl with very little computer experience working as tech support.. |
| 00:11.00 | karsten | eifzon: Hnestly: 1, 20k+ packages in Debian, I don't know 'em all by name, and 2, I don't do a lot of dev work (and/or have libraries already installed). |
| 00:11.09 | karsten | simonrvn: Thank ye kindly. |
| 00:11.13 | simonrvn | and not showing grey (i think) |
| 00:11.15 | puddingpimp_work | micky, CHANGE ISP |
| 00:11.33 | simonrvn | micky: oh man, i second puddingpimp_work there |
| 00:11.48 | karsten | eifzon: Another handy trick to know is auto-apt, particularly when building third-party sources, which can identify referenced files which aren't installed but are known to Debian, and install them for you. |
| 00:12.11 | micky | puddingpimp_work i dont have a choice there.. no other isp`s in the whole county |
| 00:12.14 | karsten | simonrvn: A we bit. Actually copying pics off the camera right now. Shooting mom's garden, which is increadible. |
| 00:12.15 | simonrvn | auto-apt update, then when building, auto-apt run |
| 00:12.24 | karsten | simonrvn: Lots of cicadas. |
| 00:12.26 | simonrvn | karsten: oh yeh, neat |
| 00:12.27 | puddingpimp_work | simonrvn, an ISP that can't do BGP is like a mechanic that can't do oil changes :/ |
| 00:12.29 | simonrvn | ooh |
| 00:12.36 | simonrvn | puddingpimp_work: yup |
| 00:12.56 | simonrvn | :D |
| 00:12.57 | pingouiin | is nvu (the wysiwyg html) is in package under another name ? i cant find it on the debian search packages page ? |
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| 00:13.07 | simonrvn | pingouiin: not in debian |
| 00:13.16 | eifzon | hmm, it says i need "kernel-source" now when i am trying to install my nvidia-drivers, how do i get it? |
| 00:13.17 | karsten | pingouiin: It's been dropped. |
| 00:13.28 | bpun | puddingpimp_work, isn't he just residential? |
| 00:13.42 | karsten | pingouiin: Look in snapshots, or IIRC blue?? or apt-cache search html editor. |
| 00:13.56 | karsten | micky: Standard or phillips? |
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| 00:14.04 | heavensrevenge | hello |
| 00:14.08 | simonrvn | *groan* |
| 00:14.16 | heavensrevenge | how can i get kmix to start while kde boots MINIMIZED |
| 00:14.17 | heavensrevenge | ? |
| 00:14.20 | pingouiin | ok thanks simonrvn , karsten |
| 00:14.32 | pingouiin | i guess i gonna try the tar.gz from the website |
| 00:14.34 | puddingpimp_work | bpun, sounds like it, but where I live you can get ADSL through any of the national providers, anywhere, not really used to this 1 dsl provider, 1 isp shenanigans |
| 00:14.37 | bpun | heavensrevenge, it's got an option |
| 00:14.43 | pingouiin | i wanted to be sure before |
| 00:14.52 | karsten | heavensrevenge: I don't know if there's any generalized X way to boot an app minimized. KDE's got a startup feature though. |
| 00:15.02 | karsten | heavensrevenge: ... otherwise check kmix cli options. |
| 00:15.14 | karsten | heavensrevenge: There's also a couple of X scripting languages.... |
| 00:15.14 | davidL | i=0; while [ $i -lt 256 ]; do echo -ne "\033[48;5;${i}m \033[0m"; i=$[$i+1]; sleep 0.001; done; echo |
| 00:15.47 | simonrvn | davidL: wrong window |
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| 00:15.49 | Miles_Prower | Any undelete method for ext3? partition is dismounted, files deleted ~30s pre-dismount |
| 00:15.52 | davidL | yah :( |
| 00:16.11 | karsten | heavensrevenge: xwit |
| 00:16.28 | heavensrevenge | xwit? |
| 00:16.43 | simonrvn | Miles_Prower: restore from backups |
| 00:17.01 | karsten | Miles_Prower: ... if you'd like an alternative solution ... |
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| 00:17.07 | karsten | Miles_Prower: ... restore from _recent_ backups. |
| 00:17.09 | Miles_Prower | simonrvn: have none |
| 00:17.14 | simonrvn | karsten: well, yeh, but that's not a wm feature, that's a user feature ;) |
| 00:17.16 | karsten | Miles_Prower: Sucks to be you. |
| 00:17.19 | karsten | !restore |
| 00:17.25 | karsten | Hrm... |
| 00:17.36 | bpun | puddingpimp_work, wouldn't it be possible to uncap adsl modems to enforce bgp? hehe |
| 00:17.37 | karsten | Miles_Prower: This is a learning experience. Don't be stuck this way again. |
| 00:17.40 | abrotman | !undelete |
| 00:17.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems. |
| 00:18.04 | bpun | micky, hey micky maybe you might be able to uncap your dsl modem to provide bgp :) (just kidding) |
| 00:18.17 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 00:18.21 | simonrvn | heh |
| 00:18.39 | Kevin` | dsl is almost always capped on the other end |
| 00:18.47 | Kevin` | the modem just runs at max speed |
| 00:18.49 | Miles_Prower | karsten: correction. Have a backup but no way to reach it as the asshole who has it isn't answering either phone or IM's. |
| 00:19.01 | micky | bpun :) hehe |
| 00:19.03 | simonrvn | Kevin`: exactly |
| 00:19.27 | karsten | Miles_Prower: Your situation's improved somewhat. |
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| 00:20.06 | Miles_Prower | karsten: checking what dpkg said, but I don't see any way to do what it asks. (never used mc before) |
| 00:20.09 | karsten | Miles_Prower: Your problem is now "get asshole to answer phone/IMs". If s/he's a cow-orker, got to boss. |
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| 00:20.15 | sid | What happens if I dd a 3 gig hdd to a 7 gig hdd, will the partitions tables transfer also? ie, will the 7 gig show as a 3 gig hdd? |
| 00:20.17 | karsten | Miles_Prower: It won't work for ext3. |
| 00:20.19 | clacker | hey sid, when the hell are you going to be stable?!? |
| 00:20.27 | karsten | Miles_Prower: Otherwise, read the mc docs. |
| 00:20.31 | clacker | I've been waiting frikkin forever! |
| 00:20.33 | Miles_Prower | karsten, then why did anyone even mention it? |
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| 00:20.41 | karsten | Miles_Prower: mount -o remount,ro the filesystem in the meantime. |
| 00:20.52 | karsten | Miles_Prower: To raise false hopes. |
| 00:21.04 | karsten | Miles_Prower: ... also, it *does* work, if you're very lucky, for ext2fs. |
| 00:21.23 | Miles_Prower | karsten: my request specified ext3. |
| 00:21.30 | valdyn | sid: it will show as a harddisk with 3gig partitioned space, 5 gig free space |
| 00:21.35 | davidL | you can mount ext3 as ext2 |
| 00:21.40 | karsten | Miles_Prower: Right. If you'll note, *I* didn't mention the mc trick. |
| 00:21.50 | sid | valdyn: So I just fdisk it and make a new partition? |
| 00:21.54 | karsten | davidL: That won't let you recover deleted files due to journaling issues. |
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| 00:22.09 | micky | could i for example have a default gateway for a specific source address ? |
| 00:22.10 | valdyn | sid: yea |
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| 00:22.21 | Miles_Prower | karsten: true, point taken. *whallops abrotman w/salmon* |
| 00:22.42 | gAri- | hi there, is there a way to upgrade from etch 32bit to etch 64 bit, without reinstalling the whole system? Or at least is there a way for this to be done remotely? |
| 00:23.02 | minus_ | How do i sett my standard eth device? |
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| 00:23.26 | minus_ | set* |
| 00:23.37 | bpun | gAri-, you can use dpkg selections and save this list, save foreign packages..etc.. |
| 00:24.02 | bpun | !tell gAri about selections |
| 00:24.31 | valdyn | !clone debian |
| 00:24.43 | valdyn | !debian cline |
| 00:24.47 | valdyn | !debian clone |
| 00:24.47 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 00:24.50 | sid | thanks valdyn, I appreciate the help. |
| 00:25.32 | clacker | minus: I usually edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 00:26.33 | karsten | Miles_Prower: If it makes you feel any better, work (billion dollar firm) just had a situation where someone who very much knows better managed to nuke a production Oracle DB during a putative OS upgrade (and no, it wasn't me). |
| 00:26.49 | karsten | Miles_Prower: ... so this shit happens. I've done it myself. |
| 00:27.07 | clacker | I nuked a linksys router with dd once |
| 00:27.15 | clacker | "oops.." |
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| 00:27.29 | karsten | clacker: Feature! |
| 00:27.41 | clacker | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.58 | micky | could i for example have a default gateway 192.168.0.1 for a specific source address 192.168.0.2 and another one 192.168.0.100 for 192.168.0.102 ? |
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| 00:28.47 | micky | i mean can i have the box do it using iptables or something like that |
| 00:28.48 | gAri- | bpun: thats all right but how do I upgrade to 64 bit packages online? are the 64 bit packages called the same than the 32 bit ones? I presume no, so get-selections wont work as usual, am I right? |
| 00:29.07 | valdyn | gAri-: it will work for most packages. |
| 00:29.20 | valdyn | gAri-: not the kernel and very few other things |
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| 00:29.52 | bpun | gAri-, same package names, different compiles.. your foreign, if any, 32-bit packages ought to run on the 64bit machine.. |
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| 00:30.11 | gAri- | "your foreign, if any, 32-bit packages ought to run on the 64bit machine.." -> what does this mean I dont understand |
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| 00:30.36 | bpun | gAri-, software that you bought (32-bit compiles).. |
| 00:30.46 | gAri- | valdyn: okay how to manage that while the machine is online? I'M really tired to go and make a fresh install |
| 00:30.53 | gAri- | bpun: thank you |
| 00:30.58 | simonrvn | run implies well, running it, not building it |
| 00:31.03 | amon__ | Hrmm, If I wish to remove KDE - do I just remove it through Synaptic or will I leave a whole bunch of unused files along with it that will not be cleaned up? |
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| 00:31.23 | simonrvn | amon__: start by removing "essential" kde libs |
| 00:31.42 | abrotman | !remove kde |
| 00:31.42 | dpkg | remove kde is, like, aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
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| 00:32.23 | gAri- | vadyn: (somewhere I read its not straightforward to install 64 bit while the machine is online) |
| 00:32.24 | ooosanteooo | hi |
| 00:33.17 | ooosanteooo | i have a little question if anyone cud help, ive installed debian on 2 harddrives with the one having mountpoint / and the other /home , now i want to remove the 2nd hdd and use it for something else, what the best way to move all associations with /home to the other harddisk and format the 2nd one ?? |
| 00:34.23 | micky | ooosanteooo just unmount /home and mount it under /mnt/home or other mount point, create /home and copy /mnt/home to /home |
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| 00:34.33 | micky | and you`re done :) |
| 00:34.51 | abrotman | don't forget to edit the fstab |
| 00:35.01 | ooosanteooo | but do i have to modify anything in my startup script ? |
| 00:35.16 | ooosanteooo | so that when i restart it keeps the change ? |
| 00:35.25 | simonrvn | "startup script"? |
| 00:35.40 | ooosanteooo | bashrc or whatever |
| 00:35.45 | ooosanteooo | ahh sorry |
| 00:35.52 | ooosanteooo | no i wont need to do so actually right ? |
| 00:35.54 | micky | you`ll need to edit /etc/fstab to not mount /dev/hdX ( hdX is your second hard drive ) as /home |
| 00:36.00 | ooosanteooo | ok |
| 00:36.04 | ooosanteooo | got it thanks! |
| 00:36.22 | micky | ooosanteooo basicly remove the line that has /home in it :) |
| 00:36.27 | ooosanteooo | yes |
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| 00:37.38 | ooosanteooo | says /home busy (naturally) since im logged in as a normal user |
| 00:38.26 | ooosanteooo | shall i use -f ? |
| 00:38.28 | Miles_Prower | My mirror server is good. |
| 00:38.32 | Miles_Prower | he has a 2wk old cop |
| 00:38.34 | Miles_Prower | *copy |
| 00:38.35 | xsdg | ooosanteooo: no |
| 00:38.46 | ooosanteooo | logout from this account and do as root ? |
| 00:38.47 | xsdg | ooosanteooo: just log out and do it as root |
| 00:38.50 | xsdg | yup |
| 00:38.50 | ooosanteooo | ok |
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| 00:40.02 | Acu01 | how can we restore a failed hard disk on a RAID1 ? |
| 00:41.32 | cafuego | swap it for a non-broken hdd, add it back in via mdadm --manage /dev/mdX --add /dev/partition |
| 00:41.43 | cafuego | (make sure the partition size is correct) |
| 00:43.34 | Acu01 | cafuego: thanks |
| 00:45.24 | gAri- | !debian aptitude clone |
| 00:46.03 | gAri- | how to ask the bot about aptitude clone? |
| 00:46.11 | wols | !help |
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| 00:46.29 | wols | dpkg: lazy piece of shit wake up |
| 00:46.49 | azeem | !hi |
| 00:46.50 | dpkg | hello, azeem |
| 00:47.17 | wols | !aptitude clone |
| 00:47.17 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude upgrade; on the other machine. |
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| 00:50.52 | Fathefner | anyone know about dreamlinux |
| 00:51.02 | azeem | this channel is about Debian, sorry |
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| 00:52.20 | micky | Fathefner try ##linux :) |
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| 00:59.45 | JeffH | someone help me out here.. how do you spell utubanu? |
| 01:00.03 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu |
| 01:00.13 | JeffH | thanks |
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| 01:01.43 | pingouiin | how can i see the structure of my hardrives (hdax, hdax etc...) ? without lauching cfdisk ? |
| 01:01.44 | Daveyboy | hello |
| 01:02.15 | tmorton | pingouiin, you can use fdisk... |
| 01:02.16 | Daveyboy | du -f |
| 01:03.28 | Daveyboy | df |
| 01:04.18 | daeos | what log can i check to see why or what caused a kernal panic on boot? |
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| 01:05.45 | pingouiin | ok thanks |
| 01:06.13 | Daveyboy | kern.log |
| 01:06.15 | abrotman | or type mount |
| 01:06.51 | factor | daeos also /var/log/messages is a good one. |
| 01:07.03 | factor | that is like dmesg |
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| 01:07.35 | factor | kern.log can beconfigured in the etc dir to do special logs as well |
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| 01:07.43 | bpun | pingouiin, there's no structures to harddrives |
| 01:07.51 | daeos | factor: nothing in there except time stamps |
| 01:08.14 | w3rd | hey guys, question, im running debian 2.6 on a media temple gs pkge, trying to config subdomains in my /home/domains/subdomain directories... i can hit my primary domain but im unable to access install.php in my subdir when i point to in via my browser, any ideas? rm -R??? |
| 01:08.59 | blackbart | I have an Acer laptop with an Intel 945GM video chipset. What driver should I use for xorg? |
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| 01:09.32 | factor | daeos: /etc/syslog.conf shows all your log file locatations. |
| 01:10.01 | factor | daeos: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:10.07 | factor | to get a kern panic? |
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| 01:10.48 | abrotman | blackbart: i810 |
| 01:11.47 | nikosapi | If I select "Desktop environment" during the debian install process, what do I get? |
| 01:12.21 | daeos | factor: im not trying to MAKE one, im trying to find out what *caused* it |
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| 01:13.02 | blackbart | abrotman, thanks, it was already installed too :) |
| 01:13.08 | factor | daeos:good plan to not make one, what whappend before you got the kern panic or was the system already in the shape when you got to it? |
| 01:13.08 | abrotman | nikosapi: usually Gnome |
| 01:13.59 | daeos | factor: i just upgraded my ram from 384 to 768, deb went crazy, then after going back to my ram config before i upgraded, deb runs fine |
| 01:14.09 | factor | ahh |
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| 01:14.12 | daeos | so.. |
| 01:14.16 | daeos | i wanted to see *why* |
| 01:14.27 | factor | what version of debian |
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| 01:14.37 | daeos | 4 |
| 01:14.42 | daeos | etch |
| 01:14.44 | factor | right |
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| 01:15.04 | factor | will that ram work on other OS's? |
| 01:15.08 | nikosapi | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:15.11 | factor | maybe a mem issue? |
| 01:15.27 | abrotman | nikosapi: most people don't use tasksel |
| 01:15.41 | factor | debian i think will do a memtest |
| 01:15.47 | factor | 4.0 and up |
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| 01:16.22 | Ezep_Notebook | anybody can show me a sources.list for sid? |
| 01:16.36 | factor | daeos:it is in the boot option I think. have to pull out my etch 4 install |
| 01:18.35 | abrotman | Ezep_Notebook: if you're running sid .. you should already know how to create one |
| 01:19.17 | Ezep_Notebook | nono, i want to upgrade from etch to sid.. |
| 01:19.36 | nikosapi | abrotman: then what do they use? |
| 01:19.49 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 01:19.49 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 01:19.53 | abrotman | nikosapi: aptitude |
| 01:20.04 | Ezep_Notebook | but i have problems with http://security.debian.org |
| 01:20.15 | azeem | Ezep_Notebook: how is that related to sid? |
| 01:20.17 | nikosapi | abrotman: even for the initial install? |
| 01:20.38 | abrotman | nikosapi: after the install you'd just install what you want |
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| 01:21.10 | Ezep_Notebook | azeem: sid don't use this repository? |
| 01:21.17 | azeem | no |
| 01:21.32 | azeem | but that's probably the worest reason to update to sid |
| 01:21.37 | azeem | if you really mean that |
| 01:21.37 | nikosapi | abrotman: oh, ok. thanks again |
| 01:22.06 | Ezep_Notebook | ok, thanks azeem :) |
| 01:22.09 | Ezep_Notebook | bytes |
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| 01:22.29 | daeos | factor: so is there a package i can run to do a memcheck? |
| 01:22.36 | daeos | or should i just run a mem tester from a cd ? |
| 01:22.45 | factor | daeos:it is a boot option |
| 01:22.50 | abrotman | you can run memcheck from the OS if you choose |
| 01:22.56 | factor | daeos:part of etch boot install |
| 01:23.09 | factor | no special soft needed |
| 01:23.31 | kelm | bye all |
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| 01:23.42 | gat-man | hey guys, do I have to get all of these disks? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 01:23.48 | daeos | abrotman: ok.... |
| 01:23.59 | abrotman | !d-i gat-man |
| 01:24.00 | dpkg | gat-man, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:24.29 | gat-man | abortman: please, it's a simple question, why can't I get a simple answer? do I need 3 disks or just one? |
| 01:24.46 | abrotman | gat-man: we really recommend you just use the netinst |
| 01:24.53 | abrotman | unless you ahve special needs |
| 01:24.57 | gat-man | I do |
| 01:25.10 | gat-man | I will have no internet from next week on |
| 01:25.14 | gat-man | I already have the netinst |
| 01:25.22 | gat-man | now please, answer my question. |
| 01:25.28 | abrotman | if you think you'll need packages from all those DVDs .. then yes .. you'd need all of them |
| 01:25.55 | gAri- | is there a way to intsall debian etch using an usb stick? I only found cdrom images |
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| 01:26.42 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 01:26.42 | dpkg | usb-install is, like, Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
| 01:26.55 | daeos | factor: i hate not having a long enough kvm to control the damn box |
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| 01:27.03 | gat-man | abortman: so one dvd will NOT install the minimal amount of packages? |
| 01:27.25 | gAri- | thx |
| 01:27.25 | abrotman | sure .. the first |
| 01:27.37 | abrotman | but you don't seem to know which you'll need |
| 01:28.07 | gAri- | and uhm amd64 architecture equals to x86_64 right? when downloading etch |
| 01:28.15 | azeem | gAri-: yes |
| 01:28.20 | gAri- | it needs to run on a core2duo cpu |
| 01:28.24 | gAri- | azeem: thx |
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| 01:29.49 | factor | daeos:I am installing a os right now or I could help you i cant find any documents on the net exdept a boot param you might try |
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| 01:31.33 | ApAvOrAdO | alguem pode me ajudar em pvt !!! sobre estalacao do gnome plxx =) |
| 01:31.52 | daeos | factor: ok |
| 01:32.06 | factor | daeos: on boot option add this to your list of params mem=768000k <---the amount that post on bios |
| 01:32.12 | daeos | factor: all i really need is just to find a log saying why a kernal panic happened... maybe bard ram? |
| 01:32.15 | ApAvOrAdO | alguem pode me ajudar em pvt !!! sobre estalacao do gnome plxx =) |
| 01:32.23 | daeos | factor: ok i see |
| 01:32.33 | abrotman | !br |
| 01:32.33 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:32.38 | factor | daeos:could be dont know until you test it |
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| 01:35.45 | daeos | bad* |
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| 01:36.16 | trotrozoulie | coucou |
| 01:36.17 | trotrozoulie | a va ? |
| 01:36.25 | madahnono | bien le bonsoir |
| 01:36.26 | factor | daeos:bad* whee does it say that? |
| 01:36.34 | abrotman | !fr |
| 01:36.34 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:36.35 | trotrozoulie | bon |
| 01:36.38 | trotrozoulie | on change les regles |
| 01:36.38 | madahnono | nous, francais, qui recueillons tous les noirs et les arabes du monde |
| 01:36.39 | trotrozoulie | maintenant |
| 01:36.42 | trotrozoulie | on parle francais |
| 01:36.43 | madahnono | venons rclamer notre du |
| 01:36.52 | madahnono | on loge vos merdes, alors parlez notre langue |
| 01:36.58 | abrotman | english here .. try #debian-fr |
| 01:37.02 | trotrozoulie | non |
| 01:37.04 | madahnono | pussy |
| 01:37.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:37.04 | trotrozoulie | francais ici |
| 01:37.08 | trotrozoulie | si t'es pas content |
| 01:37.09 | madahnono | ici francais |
| 01:37.10 | trotrozoulie | tu t'en vas |
| 01:37.11 | trotrozoulie | ok ? |
| 01:37.12 | madahnono | vous comprendre? |
| 01:37.15 | abrotman | !fr |
| 01:37.15 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:37.16 | trotrozoulie | on reprend nos terres |
| 01:37.26 | abrotman | trotrozoulie: madahnono : please go to #debian-fr |
| 01:37.30 | madahnono | non |
| 01:37.39 | madahnono | mais c'est gentil de proposer |
| 01:37.51 | madahnono | on ira les faire chier une fois que vous nous aurez vir |
| 01:38.02 | abrotman | trotrozoulie: madahnono : please go to #debian-fr |
| 01:38.06 | trotrozoulie | pas encore |
| 01:38.07 | madahnono | non non |
| 01:38.14 | trotrozoulie | pas tant que tu reconnais pas le canada francais |
| 01:38.16 | abrotman | !ops trotrozoulie madahnono |
| 01:38.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: trotrozoulie madahnono |
| 01:38.27 | madahnono | !ops abrotman |
| 01:38.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: madahnono complains about: abrotman |
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| 01:38.37 | xbaez | whats up how you doing ! |
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| 01:39.17 | madahnono | on avait dit non |
| 01:39.18 | trotrozoulie | coucou c'est nous |
| 01:39.21 | abrotman | LoRez: again please |
| 01:39.26 | MangosDebian | CLEAR! |
| 01:39.26 | madahnono | :( |
| 01:39.27 | trotrozoulie | vous vous croyez ou |
| 01:39.31 | trotrozoulie | en angleterre ? |
| 01:39.34 | madahnono | clear |
| 01:39.40 | trotrozoulie | perfect |
| 01:39.41 | madahnono | We |
| 01:39.46 | madahnono | people from France |
| 01:39.50 | madahnono | Say |
| 01:40.01 | Ed_L` | yes, and #debian-fr is for help in french |
| 01:40.03 | madahnono | that your chan, is now a french one |
| 01:40.07 | madahnono | so |
| 01:40.11 | madahnono | speak french |
| 01:40.17 | madahnono | fripouille |
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| 01:40.19 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ATuileries-153-1-103-188.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] by azeem |
| 01:40.19 | *** kick/#debian [trotrozoulie!n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-19-74.dynamic.mnet-online.de] by azeem (you should know better) |
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| 01:40.36 | madahnono | azeem |
| 01:40.39 | madahnono | c'est arabe ca |
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| 01:40.50 | azeem | madahnono: do you have a Debian question? |
| 01:41.04 | madahnono | non, je suis la pour vous faire chier |
| 01:41.05 | MangosDebian | azeem: lot of good that was heh |
| 01:41.12 | madahnono | I'm just a pain in the ass |
| 01:41.28 | azeem | ok |
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| 01:41.30 | *** kick/#debian [madahnono!n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-19-74.dynamic.mnet-online.de] by azeem (you should know better) |
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| 01:41.42 | abrotman | azeem: thank you |
| 01:41.58 | MangosDebian | ill never understand how a few lines of text on my screen can be a pain in my ass though |
| 01:42.26 | Ed_L` | MangosDebian: you've obviously never been to the ICQ IRC servers ;) |
| 01:42.53 | MangosDebian | no heh. but it still is just text. not like it can kill me or cause me bodily harm |
| 01:43.12 | factor | try rm -rf on your command line |
| 01:43.27 | abrotman | factor: not funny |
| 01:43.32 | factor | or rm -rf / that is a pain in the but |
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| 01:43.55 | azeem | factor: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for giving bad advice |
| 01:44.08 | MangosDebian | well, i kinda provoked that. sorry |
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| 01:44.50 | daeos | that madahnono, really didn't like azeem, i did a google translate... however bad translation, didn't say a very nice thing |
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| 01:45.12 | azeem | I understand french |
| 01:45.35 | daeos | yeah google told me 1 word... |
| 01:45.40 | MangosDebian | anyways, I installed bootsplash and pacthed my kernel. looks b.e.a.utiful! but i notice that the rc init file only has patch for usplash. anyone know of easy way for bootsplash to work in inits? the patch in structions look like they will butcher my init scripts |
| 01:45.40 | daeos | that made complete sense to kick him |
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| 01:46.58 | dragonfly | how do I create a user that cannot login, but still has a password? |
| 01:46.59 | MangosDebian | my thought is to slightly alter the rc init and change the usplash to bootsplash, but the syntax for PROGRESS looks slightly different. anyone been through this before? |
| 01:47.28 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: set shell to /bin/false and/or set home dir to nonexistant? |
| 01:47.47 | MangosDebian | that or pam settings |
| 01:48.11 | dragonfly | after i had created the user i did usermod -s /bin/false <user> but the user can still login via ssh |
| 01:48.29 | dragonfly | i need home dir to exist b/c the users Maildir is in /home/<user>/Maildir |
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| 01:48.54 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: ya figured that. use pam then. you can setup exceptions for logins for say just ssh or similar |
| 01:49.14 | el_isma | Hello. I have an ssh server, but it doesn't work unless I'm using it from internet (ie: can't do ssh localhost) Any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 01:49.31 | dragonfly | el_isma: check your hostname settings |
| 01:49.38 | MangosDebian | like make a ssh.deny file and require the user not be in that list for ssh |
| 01:50.02 | el_isma | dragonfly: what should be there? |
| 01:50.14 | MangosDebian | el_isma: what does host localhost say? |
| 01:50.28 | el_isma | I also tried both 127.0.0.1 and my local ip (given by my router) |
| 01:50.38 | el_isma | MangosDebian: Not Found :S |
| 01:50.57 | MangosDebian | is lo up in ifconfig ? |
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| 01:51.21 | stoned | what is a good mac os style panel for kde |
| 01:51.21 | el_isma | MangosDebian: No... I must have brought it down accidentally |
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| 01:51.40 | MangosDebian | el_isma: ya. ifdown -a could do that |
| 01:51.48 | dragonfly | MangosDebian: shouldn't setting the shell to /bin/false prevent the user from logging in though? |
| 01:52.11 | el_isma | MangosDebian: Yeah, I was trying to get iptables to forward traffic to ath0 (wifi card) |
| 01:52.43 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: for login shells ya, but a daemon can use whatever it wants i think. ssh might have a use login variable though. i dont know unless i check though |
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| 01:52.54 | el_isma | lol... and all that breakage just for not having loopback... |
| 01:53.13 | MangosDebian | el_isma: good lesson though. bet that wont happen again :) |
| 01:53.21 | el_isma | indeed :) |
| 01:53.37 | dragonfly | i'd like to be able to create users that can't do anything....they just exist and can access their email (which is why they need to have a password) |
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| 01:54.53 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: in sshd config try set UseLogin yes |
| 01:55.06 | el_isma | MangosDebian: Thanks :) |
| 01:55.20 | MangosDebian | el_isma: np |
| 01:56.18 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: just be sure to double check each daemon for access that you didnt intend. not something you want to forget about when you say enable ftp or something that also avoids shell setting |
| 01:57.11 | dragonfly | that's why I was hoping for some sort of no-login option |
| 01:57.51 | MangosDebian | thats what pam is for really. but its not the easiest thing in the world for a newcomer to play with |
| 01:58.04 | MangosDebian | can lock root out with one bad line |
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| 01:59.58 | anon32 | !ubuntu |
| 01:59.59 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu - See also <based on debian caveats>. |
| 02:00.06 | dragonfly | i added UseLogin yes in sshd_conf and then /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
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| 02:00.10 | dragonfly | user can still login |
| 02:00.18 | anon32 | hmm, that wasn't the effect I was looking for |
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| 02:01.17 | dragonfly | can pam use some sort of ssh.allow file and then I just put the users I want to have ssh access in to that file |
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| 02:01.22 | Growly|VM | hello friends |
| 02:01.28 | dragonfly | maybe that would be easier |
| 02:01.33 | dragonfly | hello Growly|VM |
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| 02:02.16 | Growly|VM | quick question: is there a reason I don't have libstdc++.so.5 (i have .6) while firefox wants me to have it? |
| 02:02.25 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: well, i suppose an easier way would be to just force ssh keys on the users and dont get that user access to the authorized keys file |
| 02:03.12 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: but yes, pam can use files that are parsed for different names and deny/allow based on those files |
| 02:04.34 | kritical | Hi there, I was wondering if anyone could help me troubleshoot this issue, I have a server which is sitting at 3+ load consistently, CPU usage is below 10%, plenty of free ram, nothing using swap... I just can't figure out what's causing the high load |
| 02:04.48 | abrotman | iowait ? |
| 02:05.08 | dragonfly | MangosDebian: so given the situation, what is your recommendation for what would be easiest to understand/implement |
| 02:05.40 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: do your users have access to write/upload files anywhere in their home dir? |
| 02:05.45 | daeos | abrotman: would you say that if lshw says my ram capacity is 768.. that i can trust that as true and not have an issue with good ram to upgrade? |
| 02:06.04 | dragonfly | yes, but I suppose that would not be necessary for email only users |
| 02:06.33 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: then i would go with forced keys. its good for security and if they cant add files to the authorized_keys file, they cant login |
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| 02:07.44 | dragonfly | have a link handy for me to read up on them? |
| 02:07.56 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: on ssh? |
| 02:08.06 | abrotman | daeos: i have no idea .. 768MB seems like an odd max |
| 02:08.20 | MangosDebian | !+listvalues authorized_keys |
| 02:08.21 | kritical | abrotman, was your 'iowait' aimed at me? |
| 02:08.22 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'authorized_keys' by value (1): ssh without passwd. |
| 02:08.34 | abrotman | kritical: yes |
| 02:08.36 | MangosDebian | !tell dragonfly about ssh without password |
| 02:08.40 | dragonfly | well, as of now, i think ssh, email, and ports 443 & 80 are the only things this box has open to the outside world |
| 02:08.44 | daeos | abrotman: its a gateway 2k mobo |
| 02:08.51 | daeos | abrotman: 3 slots |
| 02:08.56 | abrotman | okay .. then maybe |
| 02:08.59 | kritical | abrotman, excuse my ignorance, do you know of any commands which I can use to try and see if that's the casE? |
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| 02:09.08 | abrotman | daeos: of course .. you could just use crucial.com or gateway.com |
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| 02:09.22 | abrotman | kritical: in top .. is there any %wa ? |
| 02:09.32 | daeos | abrotman: yeah i know, i should get the #### from the mobo |
| 02:09.46 | abrotman | daeos: ah .. no .. there's a tag or model number on the case somewhere |
| 02:09.48 | dragonfly | ....except then any time I ssh in from a user that does have access, I need to have the key...might not be such a useful idea for me |
| 02:09.51 | kritical | abrotman, it's very low, 0.0% most of the time |
| 02:09.59 | daeos | abrotman: oh i see.... yeah.. i'll have to find that one |
| 02:10.19 | abrotman | daeos: likely on the back or side/top |
| 02:10.29 | abrotman | kritical: any of those high ? |
| 02:10.43 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: i wouldnt dismiss it though, its a very secure setup. even if they watch you type your key with a keylogger or you tell them it, they still cant login without the key |
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| 02:10.51 | stoned | i love apples |
| 02:10.55 | kritical | abrotman, idle is around 97%+ the majority of the time |
| 02:11.13 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: and if your root, it dont need to. you just su to that account and do whatever |
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| 02:11.59 | dragonfly | just need the root key then |
| 02:12.48 | kritical | abrotman, and now it's up to 4 :/ |
| 02:13.10 | abrotman | kritical: is anything using a lot of CPU ? |
| 02:13.16 | abrotman | or is a zombie ? |
| 02:13.24 | MangosDebian | ywell, if you wanna login remotely ya. trust me you DONT want ssh open to the world with only password access and root account enabled. you pick a dictionary password and your rooted overnight |
| 02:14.15 | kritical | abrotman, nothing that I can see in `top` or `ps`.... top reports 0 zombie processes |
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| 02:14.26 | dragonfly | where is the setting to disable password access in sshd? i'm not seeing it |
| 02:14.26 | daeos | MangosDebian: how could i disabled root from being logged in via ssh? |
| 02:14.44 | abrotman | kritical: nothing is using a lot of CPU ? |
| 02:14.48 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: disable root logins, and use a normal user to su to root and then su to an account if anything. you just need to add your pub key to each authorized keys file you wanna login with. even better, change the settng and put the authorized keys for each user in a diff dir that nobody has access to but you |
| 02:14.52 | kritical | abrotman, nothing at all... |
| 02:15.20 | MangosDebian | daeos: /etc/ssh/sshd_config, PermitRootLogin No |
| 02:15.36 | abrotman | kritical: is it always like this ? |
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| 02:15.53 | kritical | abrotman, yes it's not going down, it's staying above 3 |
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| 02:16.04 | MangosDebian | then PublikeyAthentication yes, and PasswordAuthentication No |
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| 02:16.24 | abrotman | kritical: i mean .. the machine has always been like this ? |
| 02:16.39 | kritical | abrotman, no it's only been like this for about a week |
| 02:16.50 | abrotman | any new packages installed or new kernels ? |
| 02:17.13 | dragonfly | how about RSA Authentication? |
| 02:17.29 | kritical | abrotman, I'm running the vserver kernel and packages now... |
| 02:17.39 | kritical | abrotman, but after turning the vserver off I still have the problems |
| 02:17.41 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: key that if you want |
| 02:17.54 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: just dont use rhosts |
| 02:17.54 | dragonfly | not sure what it is |
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| 02:18.04 | kingsley | Is there a safe way to reload a kernel module named snd_via82xx that's being used by FireFox without killing FireFox? Or, is there a way to save a flash file that's waiting to be played in Adobe's flash player within FireFox, and then somehow reload and play it after restarting FireFox? |
| 02:18.06 | abrotman | kritical: can you boot the regular kernel ? |
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| 02:18.54 | kritical | abrotman, I presume so, it's worth mentioning that I've been runnign the vserver kernel for over 3 months without a problem, only recently did I activate a vserver on it |
| 02:18.56 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: well, its for protocol v1 only which i would say is insecure |
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| 02:19.14 | MangosDebian | believe there were timing attacks or something for it |
| 02:19.23 | abrotman | kritical: ah .. |
| 02:19.38 | abrotman | kritical: what if you boot the system without starting the vserver ? |
| 02:20.04 | daeos | MangosDebian: ssh shouldn't kick me out if i reset the daemon right? |
| 02:20.13 | MangosDebian | daeos: no |
| 02:20.14 | dragonfly | daeos: no |
| 02:20.17 | dondelelcaro | daeos: so long as you do it using the init script, no. |
| 02:20.28 | kritical | abrotman, I haven't rebooted recently, it's running an IRC hub which is why I try to avoid that when possible... but... if there's nothing else I can try to figure this out then I can do this? |
| 02:20.57 | kritical | abrotman, you can't think of any other command's or tools to try to figure this out? |
| 02:21.00 | daeos | dondelelcaro: sudo /init.d/sshd restart ... something like that right? |
| 02:21.06 | abrotman | kritical: ah ok |
| 02:21.16 | dondelelcaro | daeos: yerp |
| 02:21.17 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: disable rsa auth too. no idea why anyone would want that enabled by default |
| 02:21.24 | abrotman | kritical: vmstat/iostat/free/top |
| 02:21.47 | daeos | he, didn't need the 'd' after ssh |
| 02:21.53 | daeos | rsa auth? |
| 02:21.55 | MangosDebian | considering protocol 2 is the default, rsa shouldnt ever happen |
| 02:21.57 | daeos | as in shared key? |
| 02:21.57 | kritical | dpkg -s iostat |
| 02:21.58 | dpkg | Badgers ate my iostat! |
| 02:21.58 | badgers | dpkg: bugger all, i dunno |
| 02:22.05 | kritical | dpkg -S iostat |
| 02:22.05 | dpkg | Package: iostat: Status: install ok installed |
| 02:22.08 | dragonfly | do I need a seperate key for each box that I wish to login from or can I just create 1 and then copy it to my USB drive, etc |
| 02:22.28 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: one key and copy it |
| 02:22.32 | dondelelcaro | dragonfly: you can just create one, but I suggest carrying it with you on a USB key. |
| 02:22.52 | dondelelcaro | (I also suggest making sure the key has a password, and using ssh-agent to unlock it) |
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| 02:23.30 | MangosDebian | never was a fan of agent |
| 02:23.44 | dragonfly | well, i'd have mulitple copies of it (usb key, laptop, both desktops, etc)....and are the keys generated by ssh-keygen different from what would be created by putty using puttygen? |
| 02:23.54 | dragonfly | (yes I still use windows boxes many times) |
| 02:24.12 | TraceGreen | Hello, are there any tools to help me to check which netcard(I have two netcard) is pluged a ethereal line? |
| 02:24.39 | TraceGreen | I once try to use mii-tool , but find it is not good enough |
| 02:24.42 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: puttygen syntax is diff, but it can export a auth keys file compatible line you can copy paste |
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| 02:25.13 | daeos | MangosDebian: so.... rsa auth.. as in a shared key? |
| 02:25.22 | daeos | MangosDebian: anything wrong with key input? |
| 02:25.41 | MangosDebian | daeos: no, the pub keys is: PubkeyAuthentication yes |
| 02:25.42 | dragonfly | ok....and for ssh-keygen, how does that work for who can use it? (the user that created it only? and thus needs to be the same on both machines?) |
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| 02:26.48 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: anyone with shell access can run ssh-keygen, and anyone with access to upload to the AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys path can add a key |
| 02:27.02 | daeos | MangosDebian: then what is rsa |
| 02:27.05 | MangosDebian | thus i suggest you switch that to a status dir |
| 02:27.53 | MangosDebian | daeos: google it, for protocol 1, pure rsa auth according to manual |
| 02:28.09 | MangosDebian | !rsaauthentication |
| 02:28.13 | dragonfly | but what determines what user is logged in when logging in using the key? |
| 02:28.51 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: they still specifiy the user to login as when they connect |
| 02:29.15 | dragonfly | ok |
| 02:29.18 | dragonfly | i'll experiment |
| 02:29.56 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: but the system will inform them that passwords are disabled and ask them for a pub key, it then checks in the home dir authorized keys file for that key and allows access after performing some handshakes to verify you have the right key and password to unlock it |
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| 02:31.40 | daeos | MangosDebian: but you recommend *not* using it then? |
| 02:32.11 | MangosDebian | daeos: i recommend finding out what it does first :) i dont know tbh |
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| 02:35.36 | MangosDebian | i think rsa auth is the authorized key access, not sure what pubkey is then :/ |
| 02:35.38 | MangosDebian | anyone know? |
| 02:36.26 | MangosDebian | seems like RSA is protocol 1 and Pubkey is protocol 2. but that might be wrong |
| 02:36.54 | MangosDebian | but since debian defaults to only protocol 2, rsa shouldnt be a factor |
| 02:37.15 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: that sound right? |
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| 02:37.50 | daeos | so then why did you recommend not to have it enabled? |
| 02:38.41 | MangosDebian | daeos: cause protocol 1 sepcific, which i recall having an attack issue to due with timing. basically i say no to protocol 1 and only use 2 |
| 02:38.56 | MangosDebian | daeos: with mine disabled i can still use my keys fine |
| 02:39.31 | daeos | ok with 2 , key input works also right? |
| 02:39.38 | daeos | im lazy and didn't setup a key for it |
| 02:40.33 | MangosDebian | yes, pubkey with protocol 2 works fine |
| 02:40.37 | dragonfly | is authorized_keys supposed to be a file or directory? is it ok to put it in /etc/ssh/authorized_keys? |
| 02:41.04 | MangosDebian | i tried enabled protocolo 1,2 but 1 wont start since my host doesnt have a key generated. so i cant test protocol 1 for you |
| 02:41.17 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: its a file |
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| 02:44.10 | Growly|VM | can anyone recommend an IDE for debian |
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| 02:44.19 | Growly|VM | ? |
| 02:44.31 | Growly|VM | thanks in advance |
| 02:44.33 | Growly|VM | hehehehe |
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| 02:45.42 | MangosDebian | daeos: would seem that ssh in debian only generates the ssh2 hostkeys. so rsa auth should not be possible by default |
| 02:45.47 | abrotman | Growly|VM: an IDE for what ? |
| 02:45.57 | MangosDebian | Growly|VM: vim or emacs? |
| 02:46.11 | Kevin` | MangosDebian i've never had a problem with it.. |
| 02:47.10 | MangosDebian | Kevin`: with what? |
| 02:47.13 | daeos | MangosDebian: ok then |
| 02:47.24 | Kevin` | MangosDebian rsa auth |
| 02:47.33 | daeos | MangosDebian: i'll read over what you told that person earlier about makinga key with putty |
| 02:47.36 | daeos | and using it |
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| 02:47.54 | abrotman | Growly|VM: ? |
| 02:47.57 | MangosDebian | Kevin`: you use protocol 1 in ssh? |
| 02:48.07 | Kevin` | MangosDebian I sure hope not, it's insecure |
| 02:48.25 | MangosDebian | Kevin`: then your using Pubkey not RSAAuth setting |
| 02:48.32 | Kevin` | ah |
| 02:49.06 | MangosDebian | Kevin`: the manual specifically says: "This option applies to protocol version 1 only." |
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| 02:50.01 | MangosDebian | and debian only generates a sshv2 set of hostkeys. so unless you specically generated sshv1 keys you cant even use that setting to my understanding |
| 02:50.06 | daeos | wow, i tell someone to unplug ethernet and they unplug power... how did i get that confused?!!?!? |
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| 02:51.55 | dragonfly | i have AuthorizedKeysFile/etc/ssh/authorized_keys |
| 02:52.14 | dragonfly | and I copied and pasted my public key into that file |
| 02:52.48 | dragonfly | but when I try to log in, i get an error that "server refused our key" |
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| 02:54.28 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: make sure you have no extra lines. the key should be one long line, not split across several |
| 02:54.31 | daeos | i got this error ; Unable to use key file (not a private key) ( i took out the file path but it tells me this) |
| 02:55.17 | micky | i have 1 lan and 2 wan interfaces is there a way i could reroute traffic to a specific port (5050) through the 2nd wan interface while allowing the rest of the traffic to go through the 1st wan interface? |
| 02:56.04 | dragonfly | oops |
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| 02:57.22 | dragonfly | MangosDebian: does that include the comment? |
| 02:58.29 | daeos | eww... i am trying to use an rsa key! |
| 02:58.31 | daeos | not good |
| 02:58.33 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: everything should be one line, includeing the user@host and any comments, so yes |
| 02:58.39 | daeos | so how do i make an ssh2 compatible key? |
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| 02:58.50 | MangosDebian | daeos: ssh-keygen does v2 by default |
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| 03:00.00 | MangosDebian | you need -t rsa1 to make a v1 key. and the host needs one generated too |
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| 03:03.15 | dragonfly | i'm still getting permission denied (public key) |
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| 03:03.51 | MangosDebian | paste your line to me or pastebin |
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| 03:04.42 | daeos | Enter file in which to save the key (/root/.ssh/id_rsa): |
| 03:05.39 | MangosDebian | press enter :) |
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| 03:07.24 | L1nuxBabe | hey |
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| 03:07.39 | L1nuxBabe | does anyone know if I could get visualbasic support on freenode ? |
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| 03:08.34 | Guerin | L1nuxBabe: #mono |
| 03:08.46 | sparr | how can i get clamav to stop spamming my cron output (which gets emailed to me) with warnings that it is out of date? |
| 03:08.59 | L1nuxBabe | Guerin :) |
| 03:09.01 | Guerin | sparr: ask #clamav or similar |
| 03:09.08 | sparr | Guerin: of course |
| 03:09.22 | MangosDebian | daeos: yes, i suggest you use a password for a key. especially root |
| 03:09.45 | TheWarrior | I am running debian 4.0 and I have problems with the eth0, it looses connection to often.... |
| 03:09.58 | dragonfly | what is the syntax to specify a key with ssh |
| 03:10.00 | Guerin | TheWarrior: try another nic |
| 03:10.10 | Guerin | dragonfly: man ssh |
| 03:10.17 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: ok, your authorized_keys file is only read on connect. and i think i know what you did wrong. you put one global key file for every account |
| 03:10.24 | L1nuxBabe | thankiu Guerin |
| 03:10.33 | daeos | MangosDebian: im not doing it for root |
| 03:10.35 | daeos | MangosDebian: for mine |
| 03:10.42 | Guerin | L1nuxBabe: i hope you didn't actually ask in #mono |
| 03:10.42 | TheWarrior | what is nic Guerin??? |
| 03:10.48 | Guerin | !nic |
| 03:10.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, nic is (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 03:10.51 | dragonfly | so i have to have a seperate key for each user? |
| 03:10.55 | L1nuxBabe | Guerin na I didn't |
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| 03:11.23 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: you misunderstood what I meant. make a dir mkdir /etc/ssh/authorized_keys, then in that dir, put a filename named by username with the keys. |
| 03:12.02 | TheWarrior | !nic |
| 03:12.02 | dpkg | nic is probably (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 03:12.19 | daeos | MangosDebian: do i need to keep the finger print? |
| 03:12.22 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: and in sshd_config: AuthorizedKeysFile /etc/ssh/authorized_keys/%u |
| 03:12.24 | Guerin | TheWarrior: monkey see, monkey do |
| 03:12.34 | MangosDebian | daeos: yes |
| 03:12.49 | daeos | MangosDebian: what do i do with it |
| 03:13.08 | MangosDebian | write it down |
| 03:13.08 | TheWarrior | Guerin I understud you that that is what I have to do to get the info, was I not right? |
| 03:13.39 | Guerin | TheWarrior: step 1 in testing hardware is to try a different piece of hardware (if you can) |
| 03:13.48 | L1nuxBabe | Guerin one more question if you don't mind |
| 03:13.49 | MangosDebian | daeos: more important is the host fingerprint. when you connect to your home pc, the fingerprint will let you know if someone is pretending to be your server |
| 03:13.58 | Guerin | TheWarrior: so get anbother NIC and see if it gives the same problems |
| 03:14.17 | daeos | ok |
| 03:14.33 | L1nuxBabe | Guerin do you have a piercing ? :) |
| 03:14.43 | Guerin | L1nuxBabe: not any more. |
| 03:14.43 | dragonfly | actually, when I pointed to the private key directly and set the permissions to 600, it worked like a charm....ssh -i <private key> <user>@domain |
| 03:14.49 | MangosDebian | daeos: its just a hash/checksum of the public key the server sends to you. smaller and easier to verify by humans |
| 03:14.53 | dragonfly | same password for each user, but with the keys it don't matter |
| 03:15.03 | L1nuxBabe | Guerin if you could tell me the place you had it.. |
| 03:15.28 | dragonfly | just don't work from putty yet |
| 03:15.37 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: did you make that dir? /etc/ssh/authorized_keys? |
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| 03:15.54 | daeos | MangosDebian: ah like a md5 file.. ok |
| 03:15.58 | dragonfly | no...this is with just a file name authorized_keys |
| 03:16.01 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: then for say user "bob", you would paste his pub key in: /etc/ssh/authorized_keys/bob |
| 03:16.37 | TheWarrior | Guerin I will do that, I just didn't know if it was a setting or someting on the debian that might do that .. but I will thy new nic, thanks |
| 03:16.42 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: ya sorry, when you asked about that file, yes it is a file, but when you change the sshd_config, it expects each user to have a file, not one global file |
| 03:17.00 | dragonfly | ok |
| 03:17.24 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: mkdir /etc/ssh/authorized_keys, then add a file for each user under there that matches the user name, and put the key in that |
| 03:17.40 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: then in sshd_config, use: AuthorizedKeysFile /etc/ssh/authorized_keys/%u |
| 03:18.18 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: so when bob tries to login, it will look for his keys in: /etc/ssh/authorized_keys/bob |
| 03:18.52 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: the way you had it, any user with a key in that file could login as any user they specified ;) |
| 03:20.19 | dragonfly | how about to keep things a bit simpler as far as key numbers go...../etc/ssh/authorized_keys/authorized_keys then ln -s /etc..../authorized_keys <user> |
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| 03:20.45 | dragonfly | then I can use the same key for any user I wish to log in as....I could still do a seperate file for a given user if I wanted to be sure they couldn't log in as one of the other users |
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| 03:21.02 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: that wont work as you expect, simple is the way i pasted |
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| 03:21.24 | dragonfly | but I can do this for myself to log in as root or a couple other usernames that I use without having multiple keys |
| 03:21.26 | atula | hey guys. it's weird. I did "sudo aptitude --purge remove apache" and apache2... but there were still files like /etc/apache and such... shouldn't these be removed already? |
| 03:21.35 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: well, if you only ever want yourself to have ssh access then it will work fine, but then you only need one authorized key file really |
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| 03:22.04 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: in that case: AuthorizedKeysFile /etc/ssh/authorized_keys, then just make that a file instead of a dir and put your key in it |
| 03:22.26 | daeos | MangosDebian: check my new error |
| 03:22.28 | dragonfly | but then if later I decide to give "jim" ssh access i can create a seperate key and in /etc.../authorized_keys/jim |
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| 03:23.07 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: ah, well that works then |
| 03:23.10 | dragonfly | then jim would not be able to log in a root or me |
| 03:23.17 | dragonfly | hey, you helped me figure that out :P |
| 03:23.18 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: sounds like you got it all figured out. now go test it :) |
| 03:23.20 | daeos | MangosDebian: i think im doing this wrong |
| 03:24.00 | MangosDebian | daeos: run ssh-keygen, and just accept the default key filenames and enter a password. thats all you need to do |
| 03:24.05 | daeos | right |
| 03:24.06 | daeos | did that |
| 03:24.11 | daeos | and copied the file contents |
| 03:24.15 | daeos | and am trying to use it |
| 03:24.20 | daeos | and i got the error i msgd you |
| 03:24.32 | dragonfly | MangosDebian: so to go back to my original thing then, I can just use adduser with the default settings and not worry about it because I currently do not have ftp running, and the server runs headless, so the only way to log in to it is through ssh so I shouldn't have to worry about anything, correct? |
| 03:24.36 | MangosDebian | why are you copying the key files? daeos |
| 03:24.59 | daeos | because i do not know what i am suppose to do i suppose..... ? |
| 03:25.07 | dragonfly | ....except the putty login still does not work |
| 03:25.20 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: yes thats right. but careful if you ever add another service that would allow them to login as well |
| 03:25.50 | dragonfly | MangosDebian: if/when I decide to do that, i'll be back here :) |
| 03:26.08 | MangosDebian | daeos: ls ~/.ssh, what files do you have there? (paste all one line here please) |
| 03:26.19 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: :) |
| 03:26.32 | dragonfly | MangosDebian: any thoughts on the putty login problem? I know it's a windows thing, but just in case :D |
| 03:27.03 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: you have to tell putty in the settings to use your keyfile you generated and saved |
| 03:27.22 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: then save those settings to a name and double click them each time you run putty |
| 03:27.28 | dragonfly | did that but it says the server won't accept the key or something along those lines |
| 03:27.29 | daeos | MangosDebian: i used putty gen to make a key, Server refused our key |
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| 03:27.48 | dragonfly | i've tried in putty and in winscp which uses the putty keys |
| 03:27.59 | MangosDebian | dragonfly: make sure you restarted ssh on linux. start by testing ssh locally first is probably a good idea |
| 03:28.33 | MangosDebian | daeos: your authorized_key file is probably go bad info then, check the man pages |
| 03:28.48 | MangosDebian | my ssh support is over now :) good luck guys |
| 03:28.58 | dragonfly | MangosDebian: I have restarted and can login using the ssh-keygen key from another linux box |
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| 03:29.05 | dragonfly | ok, thanks MangosDebian |
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| 03:29.09 | MangosDebian | np |
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| 03:30.23 | MangosDebian | thanks to you two for helping me solidify my ssh knowledge though, /me bows |
| 03:30.32 | atula | I am so disappointed! aptitude remove package still leave files in /etc? |
| 03:30.48 | atula | even aptitude --purge package as well |
| 03:30.52 | vorpal | atula: you might need to purge them |
| 03:31.23 | MangosDebian | atula: purge wont touch modified files or new files you added |
| 03:31.56 | MangosDebian | purge only removed original unmodified configs iirc |
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| 03:32.06 | dondelelcaro | no, it removes all configuration files belonging to a package. |
| 03:32.21 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: even new and modified ones? |
| 03:32.23 | dondelelcaro | however, you actually have to be purging the package which owns the configuration files, which you may not be doing. |
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| 03:32.37 | MangosDebian | ahh, i stand corrected |
| 03:32.44 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: new configuration files don't belong to the package; modified ones do, and they should be removed. |
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| 03:33.04 | MangosDebian | ok, that makes sense |
| 03:33.23 | dondelelcaro | atula: which configuration files aren't being removed when you purge a package? |
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| 03:34.06 | floppyears | hi what's the difference between /var/spool/mail and /var/amil ? |
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| 03:34.51 | atula | dondelelcaro, the whole damn /etc dir and there are other places... like /var /usr and such |
| 03:34.56 | stew | floppyears: one is a symlink to the other |
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| 03:35.19 | atula | dondelelcaro, I tried it out with apt-get --purge remove packages as well which is weird |
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| 03:35.48 | floppyears | hmm |
| 03:36.13 | atula | dondelelcaro, aptitude remove pacakge definitely removed all involved packages though... but not the darn directories... I just know that when I do a locate.. they're all there.. (I did updatedb first as well) |
| 03:36.19 | floppyears | stew: thanks |
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| 03:36.52 | floppyears | stew: quick question why does the mail server first put the email in /var/mail/username and then after read moves it to ~/mbox ? |
| 03:38.05 | nvz | time to change my passwords |
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| 03:39.54 | dondelelcaro | atula: the directories will stay as long as there are files inside of them. |
| 03:40.20 | dondelelcaro | atula: /var for example contains files which don't belong specifically to a package, as well as /etc. |
| 03:40.35 | atula | dondelelcaro, oh I know I know |
| 03:40.52 | dondelelcaro | atula: so... what exactly is the problem? |
| 03:40.53 | atula | dondelelcaro, I'm talking about specific dirs belonging to the package |
| 03:41.05 | dondelelcaro | atula: directories don't belong to specific packages, actually. |
| 03:41.21 | atula | dondelelcaro, /etc/apache /etc/apache2 |
| 03:41.22 | dondelelcaro | atula: they're just removed after the last package that uses them is removed/purged, assuming they're empty. |
| 03:41.56 | MangosDebian | atula: what filenames exist in /etc/apache(2)? |
| 03:42.06 | dondelelcaro | atula: those directories don't belong to a specific package; lots of packages install configuration files into /etc/apache or /etc/apache2, so just removing the apache or apache2 package isn't going to do much. |
| 03:42.32 | atula | hmmm. lemme paste the locate file |
| 03:42.56 | MangosDebian | ls them, just use locate in case your updatedb has issues |
| 03:42.56 | dondelelcaro | atula: don't give us the locate file; just ls -lR those directories. |
| 03:43.06 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: :) |
| 03:43.39 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: at this point, im expecting his updatedb is immutable or something silly. in here it wouldnt surprise me |
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| 03:44.05 | mosno | What's the deal with this? Does this mean the Packages file for the repo has issues or something? ---> E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/j/jack-audio-connection-kit/jackd_0.101.1-2_i386.deb: Size mismatch |
| 03:44.06 | atula | !paste |
| 03:44.06 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 03:44.29 | dondelelcaro | mosno: generally; try running apt-get update; again. |
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| 03:45.04 | mosno | mosno, last time this happened i grabbed the .deb and installed it manually with dpkg and it worked, but why is this happening in the first place? dondelelcaro i tried that (followed by an aptitude update, and running aptitude in ncurses-mode to install the kde-core metapackage) |
| 03:45.07 | dondelelcaro | (it could also mean that you happened to try downloading that file when whatever mirror you're connecting to was still downloading it) |
| 03:45.35 | dondelelcaro | mosno: it's happening because the .deb on whatever mirror you're using doesn't match the Packages file. Generally that means that something is wrong. |
| 03:45.38 | mosno | dondelelcaro, interesting. so it could be a transient thing |
| 03:45.48 | dondelelcaro | mosno: you probably should switch to a different mirror if that happens occasionally. |
| 03:45.48 | mosno | gasp. |
| 03:46.08 | mosno | this *is* the different mirror (i was using http:://ftp.au.debian.org before) |
| 03:46.24 | mosno | always followed by apt-get update && aptitude update && aptitude |
| 03:46.30 | dondelelcaro | mosno: do you have a proxy in between you and the mirror? |
| 03:46.39 | mosno | dondelelcaro, aaaaah. yes. damn it. |
| 03:46.44 | MangosDebian | mosno: apt-get update = aptitude update? |
| 03:46.55 | rainabba_ | I made edits to /etc/pam.d/common-* and /etc/vsswitch.conf (I think one or two others) to setup samba authentication with Windows AD and suddenly can't login as anything (local user, root, AD accounts). They all say invalid account after the username (never gets to password). I thought I've undone all the edits, but I'm still locked out (using single-user for repair). What have I likely missed? |
| 03:47.12 | mosno | MangosDebian, in the past ive noticed if i change my sources.list and DONT run apt-get update and just depend on aptitude update, then aptitude fails to grab the files |
| 03:47.23 | mosno | so i got into the habit of the && set that i pasted |
| 03:47.45 | MangosDebian | mosno: ah, just wondering. i avoid aptitude like the plague. just thought they used the same sources |
| 03:47.46 | mosno | dondelelcaro, i might try switching to ftp which shouldn't be intercepted by our proxy |
| 03:47.53 | dondelelcaro | mosno: yeah, it's probably the proxy that's screwing things up. md5sum the .deb as you wget it; it probably doesn't match 3e5b39b1b2dc7ae7cfa24cb46f1cb419 |
| 03:48.08 | mosno | MangosDebian, they do, theoretically. dont ask me the details of my workaround, i just know that it "works" :) |
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| 03:48.17 | atula | dondek, http://paste.debian.net/31815 and http://paste.debian.net/31816 |
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| 03:48.26 | atula | dondelelcaro, , http://paste.debian.net/31815 and http://paste.debian.net/31816 |
| 03:48.30 | MangosDebian | mosno: possible your proxy doesnt realise the file changed since the date stayed the same or something? |
| 03:48.43 | mosno | 3e5b39b1b2dc7ae7cfa24cb46f1cb419 jackd_0.101.1-2_i386.deb |
| 03:48.46 | mosno | that's on a manual wget |
| 03:49.06 | dondelelcaro | atula: and which packages have you perged? |
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| 03:49.18 | dondelelcaro | s/per/pur/ |
| 03:49.18 | atula | dondelelcaro, apache and apache2 |
| 03:49.24 | Guerin | grrr |
| 03:49.26 | Guerin | metapackages |
| 03:49.39 | dondelelcaro | atula: those are just meta packages. You want to purge *all* of the apache and apache2 related packages. |
| 03:49.49 | dondelelcaro | atula: like apache2-common and apache-common. |
| 03:50.03 | atula | lemme give that a try |
| 03:50.22 | TheWarrior | Guerin can I pvt you? |
| 03:50.27 | mosno | MangosDebian, possibly, but i'd rather avoid trying to diagnose it, it's a RHEL+InterScan pos |
| 03:50.28 | MangosDebian | Guerin: /nick Grrrin :) |
| 03:50.31 | dondelelcaro | atula: dpkg -S foofile; and dpkg -L foopkg; will help you figure this sort of thing out in the future. |
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| 03:51.42 | MangosDebian | mosno: i agree, sometimes its easier to just purge the file in question from the cache than to just figure out why its broken. doesnt sound like a good problem to leave alone though |
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| 03:52.57 | mosno | MangosDebian, it's okay, i resigned two weeks ago, only two weeks left and i dont have to worry about this hellhole's dodgy IT |
| 03:53.00 | mosno | :) |
| 03:53.09 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 03:53.12 | BigGayBill | Hello everybody |
| 03:53.22 | MangosDebian | tell me you didnt quit cause of the proxy software? :) |
| 03:53.32 | daeos | what does %h/ mean ?? does it mean user hoem dir? |
| 03:53.36 | daeos | home* |
| 03:53.43 | MangosDebian | daeos: man sshd_config |
| 03:53.50 | BigGayBill | I had a question and was told to come here to ask it |
| 03:53.51 | BigGayBill | well 2 |
| 03:53.52 | mosno | MangosDebian, if only. |
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| 03:54.46 | BigGayBill | 1) I want to upgrad emy tandy 1000 to a 20MB HDD.. where can I find one. 2) I want to upgrade it to a 286 also. Where can I get it and how do I install it? |
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| 03:55.26 | TheWarrior | Guerin I just got new nic, can debian autodetect it or will I have ti install it manualy? |
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| 03:56.34 | atula | dondelelcaro, so it's safe to remove those directories? |
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| 03:58.52 | k-man__ | are there any video cards with TV-out that have proper open source drivers? |
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| 03:59.05 | k-man__ | i'm sick to death of nvidia propriatry crap |
| 03:59.37 | dondelelcaro | atula: uh, no. You need to purge the packages which actually own those files, not a random metapackage. |
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| 04:08.59 | klobster | If I download a debian dvd, do I need all three? |
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| 04:11.27 | jzxu | there's something really weird with my sound. I can only hear sound when I trigger the system bell continuously |
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| 04:12.01 | TheWarrior | does any one know how can I autodetect hardware in debian? |
| 04:12.33 | jzxu | TheWarrior: lspci? |
| 04:13.04 | sparr | uǝʞoɹq s,ɹǝʇndɯoɔ ʎɯ |
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| 04:14.02 | TheWarrior | yes, network card, I am trying to replace the current one that is onbord jzxu |
| 04:14.04 | RememberPOL | oh my god? |
| 04:14.17 | RememberPOL | i've never seen text displayed upsidedown on my irc client like that\ |
| 04:14.25 | RememberPOL | sparr: how'd you do that? |
| 04:14.49 | jzxu | TheWarrior: well, that's probably going to involve figuring out which kernel module supports that card and loading that module instead of your old one |
| 04:15.18 | TheWarrior | jzxu, can you give a lil more help pls |
| 04:15.39 | jzxu | TheWarrior: what's your network card? |
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| 04:16.28 | TheWarrior | I have 2 , I just placed the d-link on right now... ( the other one is 3Com we can do whatever is easyer |
| 04:16.46 | hark | klobster: depends on what you need, the first one would do |
| 04:16.49 | ggl_7 | hi what's a good wireless card i can use for debian/linux? |
| 04:17.06 | hark | jzxu: gnome? |
| 04:17.10 | klobster | hark: are they different, or just add on packages? |
| 04:17.18 | jzxu | hark: yes |
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| 04:17.46 | TheWarrior | I have 2 , I just placed the d-link on right now... ( the other one is 3Com we can do whatever is easyer ) jzxu |
| 04:18.05 | jzxu | TheWarrior: well I think 3com is pretty well supported |
| 04:18.09 | hark | jzxu: it's esd probably which is messing things up.. run gstreamer-properties and try alsa |
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| 04:18.19 | RememberPOL | well does anyone else understand how this text was produced?uǝʞoɹq s,ɹǝʇndɯoɔ ʎɯ |
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| 04:18.33 | TheWarrior | ok jzxu let me replace the d-link now |
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| 04:18.57 | hark | ggl_7: the fsf has a list: http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html |
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| 04:19.23 | dotCOMmie | anyone been having problems with xorg and i915 lately? |
| 04:19.36 | jzxu | hark: I'm getting the same thing with alsa |
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| 04:20.07 | klobster | RememberPOL: special font? |
| 04:20.44 | RememberPOL | that doesn't help |
| 04:20.58 | RememberPOL | i mean say i wanted to make my own upside-down text string? how would i |
| 04:21.00 | RememberPOL | hah |
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| 04:22.08 | RememberPOL | sparr: care to explain? |
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| 04:22.35 | sparr | RememberPOL: fun with unicode :) |
| 04:22.37 | hark | jzxu: lsof /dev/snd/* and see what's using the card |
| 04:23.13 | RememberPOL | sparr: which program did you use? |
| 04:23.22 | sparr | that would be telling |
| 04:23.40 | RememberPOL | please? |
| 04:23.47 | jzxu | hark: /dev/snd/controlC0 |
| 04:24.01 | RememberPOL | sparr: I want to have fun with unicode too. |
| 04:24.41 | jzxu | RememberPOL: it's not really anything special, the gnome charactermap will probably do |
| 04:24.54 | Wyzard | dotCOMmie: I haven't seen any problems on my laptop |
| 04:25.09 | dotCOMmie | Wyzard: done upgrade lately? |
| 04:25.10 | hark | jzxu: no, on the left like (mixer_app) |
| 04:25.33 | jzxu | hark: mixer_app 3586 jzxu 39u CHR 116,0 6217 /dev/snd/controlC0 |
| 04:25.55 | Wyzard | dotCOMmie: I upgrade daily |
| 04:26.12 | Wyzard | dotCOMmie: and it was rebooted yesterday, so I know I'm actually running the driver that was current as of that time |
| 04:26.21 | Wyzard | dotCOMmie: What problem were you having? |
| 04:26.29 | dotCOMmie | Wyzard: XV is broken |
| 04:26.46 | Wyzard | hmm, I haven't watched any videos... I'll try one |
| 04:27.23 | hark | jzxu: aplay a wav and see |
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| 04:27.34 | bangers | how do I see memory info on debian? |
| 04:27.36 | hark | jzxu: say, aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav |
| 04:27.38 | bangers | ie, how much |
| 04:27.45 | bangers | what kind of memory? DDR? ECC etc |
| 04:28.00 | jzxu | bangers: cat /proc/meminfo |
| 04:28.16 | jzxu | bangers: oops, sorry |
| 04:28.26 | jzxu | bangers: can't tell what kind from that |
| 04:28.29 | dotCOMmie | Someone on #xorg is talking about a i915 patch, anyone heard anything of the sort? |
| 04:28.35 | RememberPOL | jzxu: thanks |
| 04:28.38 | Wyzard | dotCOMmie: I can successfully watch videos in both Totem and mplayer, using xserver-xorg-video-intel version 2:2.0.0-1 |
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| 04:29.15 | TheWarrior | jzxu the debian recognized the 3com by it self, i only had to put in the ip config stuff.... |
| 04:29.20 | TheWarrior | thanks a lot |
| 04:29.21 | jzxu | hark: what am I looking for? |
| 04:29.34 | dotCOMmie | Wyzard: and you have XV enabled? |
| 04:29.39 | hark | jzxu: does it play ? |
| 04:29.41 | jzxu | TheWarrior: no problem, I'm glad it worked out automatically for you |
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| 04:30.09 | jzxu | hark: it's the same deal, if I activate the system beep while it's playing, I can hear the sound |
| 04:30.40 | Wyzard | dotCOMmie: yes, mplayer is using "-vo xv" and totem is using GStreamer's XV output plugin |
| 04:31.19 | dotCOMmie | Wyzard: thanks, I guess something is broken on my end? |
| 04:31.31 | rainabba_ | There a definative Debian/WinBind/AD authentication howto? |
| 04:32.00 | Wyzard | dotCOMmie: could be, but I don't really know |
| 04:32.07 | jbinder | weeeooo |
| 04:32.19 | jbinder | weeeeutiful |
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| 04:33.14 | jbinder | weepooo |
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| 04:34.07 | jbinder | woopeeeee |
| 04:34.11 | jbinder | moomeee |
| 04:34.12 | hark | jzxu: and you're in the audio group right. Is esd running? if you can logout and back in after setting gstreamer properties to alsa. |
| 04:34.21 | jbinder | moo moo meep |
| 04:34.53 | Rodger | hello everyone |
| 04:35.02 | Rodger | what browser do you guys use in Debian? |
| 04:35.04 | jbinder | wpppppppppppppooooo |
| 04:35.20 | jzxu | hark: I am in the audio group |
| 04:35.22 | Rodger | I got epiphany and iceweasel |
| 04:35.31 | jzxu | hark: and esd is not running |
| 04:35.40 | Rodger | both of them are terrible when I was reading my yahoo mail |
| 04:35.57 | jbinder | mooooeeeeep |
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| 04:35.59 | jbinder | mopey |
| 04:36.19 | Rodger | mopey? |
| 04:36.26 | jbinder | wee mopey!!! |
| 04:36.28 | jbinder | MOPEY! |
| 04:37.03 | jzxu | jbinder: I know the cartoon you're referencing |
| 04:37.11 | jbinder | wat |
| 04:37.15 | jzxu | sorry de snorry jbinder |
| 04:37.36 | jbinder | mmmdd |
| 04:38.16 | jbinder | moooooooooooop |
| 04:38.23 | jbinder | wooooopoooooooooo |
| 04:38.30 | jbinder | Nooooooooooooober!!! |
| 04:40.12 | jbinder | mooopeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 04:40.21 | jbinder | ddddddddddddddddddddaadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadaadaddadaad |
| 04:40.25 | jbinder | kooooool |
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| 04:40.30 | jbinder | loooooooook |
| 04:40.33 | wols_ | jbinder: if you are drunk, go to bed |
| 04:40.37 | jbinder | unupers |
| 04:40.45 | jbinder | bde?? |
| 04:40.56 | jbinder | i make noise |
| 04:40.59 | jbinder | boooo |
| 04:41.13 | jbinder | WEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOO |
| 04:41.22 | wols_ | you are making yourself a nuisance. please stop |
| 04:41.29 | jbinder | awww :)((( |
| 04:41.36 | jbinder | kkk |
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| 04:47.32 | RememberPOL | \callvote kick jbinder |
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| 04:49.36 | jbinder | Ummm.... |
| 04:49.38 | jbinder | Lol. |
| 04:49.41 | jbinder | That was someone else... |
| 04:49.44 | jbinder | I just got out of the shower. |
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| 04:49.54 | jbinder | I think someone sshed to my box and screen -xed. |
| 04:50.19 | Wyzard | jbinder: Do you normally allow other people remote access to your login session? |
| 04:50.24 | bpun | jbinder, that was me |
| 04:50.27 | jbinder | Lies! |
| 04:50.28 | bpun | :) |
| 04:50.29 | Wyzard | jbinder: That's sort of a gaping security hole |
| 04:50.43 | jbinder | Wyzard: Lol... only one person knows a password for a sudo account. |
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| 04:52.10 | wols_ | Wyzard: It's basically terminal stupidity |
| 04:52.23 | wols_ | jbinder: one person too many if ti's not you |
| 04:52.28 | jbinder | Lol. |
| 04:52.39 | floppyears | hi has anybody setup squirrelMail through apache using https ? |
| 04:52.46 | floppyears | I'm wondering how hard or complex it is |
| 04:53.04 | floppyears | I already have setup postfix and apache with port 80 |
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| 05:00.23 | mosno | damn Debian, this KDE is legit! |
| 05:00.26 | mosno | :P |
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| 05:08.40 | hark | RememberPOL: http://www.revfad.com/flip.html :) |
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| 05:08.59 | Grenade | MangosDebian: hey! |
| 05:09.10 | stoned | fuck |
| 05:10.12 | Grenade | can anyoen recommend a good mail server ? |
| 05:10.28 | Grenade | qmail still the cats ass ? |
| 05:11.06 | grew | postfix is good |
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| 05:11.41 | Grenade | ok, ill check it out in the morning |
| 05:12.05 | rainabba_ | Best way to cp .* from one folder to another? (I know .* won't work because it will reference the partent folder also, but i don't know what i should use) |
| 05:12.18 | rainabba_ | s/partent/parent |
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| 05:18.46 | peter_ | hm... my xaos stops working |
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| 05:21.47 | lymeca | I run sid but I want lenny's 2.6.18 Xen kernel. Is there something important I should keep in mind if I want to use testing kernel on sid? |
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| 05:23.44 | floppyears | hi |
| 05:23.51 | dotCOMmie | Wyzard: I think I got it |
| 05:23.58 | floppyears | I'm setting up my machine to be more of a server so that I can play around |
| 05:24.07 | floppyears | I have setup postfix and can send & receive msg |
| 05:24.08 | dotCOMmie | Wyzard: composite seems to be interfering with XV |
| 05:24.22 | Wyzard | dotCOMmie: ah... that's not surprising |
| 05:24.23 | floppyears | how can I setup so that root@localhost really is bob@localhost |
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| 05:24.50 | RememberPOL | ǝɹɐnbs ǝɹɐnbs ǝɹɐnbs ʇɟǝ1 ǝpnp ʞɔɐqʎɐ1d ǝɥʇ ǝʇɐɥ ǝɹɐnbs ʇɟǝ1 ǝpnp ǝɹɐnbs ʇɟǝ1 sn ʇsıʍʇ ǝʍ |
| 05:24.51 | floppyears | or is it more common to have an email root@localhost where all those messages go ? |
| 05:24.55 | dotCOMmie | Wyzard: if you get a chance could you enable compsite and see if you get same behaviour? |
| 05:25.48 | hark | floppyears: man 5 aliases |
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| 05:26.27 | floppyears | thanks hark |
| 05:26.47 | LunarCrisis | what do I need to do to make a mounted device in my fstab only read/writable by 1 user? |
| 05:27.06 | LunarCrisis | not the device itself but the mounted files |
| 05:27.59 | dotCOMmie | LunarCrisis: uid/umask |
| 05:28.34 | dotCOMmie | LunarCrisis: man mount and look for uid/umask |
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| 05:29.10 | LunarCrisis | do those apply to ext3 as well? |
| 05:29.35 | dotCOMmie | why wouldnt they? |
| 05:29.42 | dotCOMmie | oh |
| 05:30.05 | LunarCrisis | because they only appear in FS-specific sections for other FS types |
| 05:30.13 | LunarCrisis | in the man page |
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| 05:30.37 | LunarCrisis | Is all I need to do set the permissions on the mount point? |
| 05:30.41 | dotCOMmie | myeah, just chown the dir |
| 05:30.46 | LunarCrisis | ah, okay |
| 05:30.49 | dotCOMmie | and chmod |
| 05:30.49 | LunarCrisis | thanks |
| 05:31.19 | RememberPOL | hark: awesome, what about a right-to-left version? ;x |
| 05:32.03 | peter_ | damn, somethings wrong with my debian ;/ |
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| 05:32.40 | peter_ | afk |
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| 05:43.53 | floppyears | hi |
| 05:44.00 | floppyears | I'm wondering what to use: apt-get or aptitude |
| 05:44.28 | vorpal | has anyone gotten wpa_supplicant working with a cardbus adapter? |
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| 05:44.54 | RememberPOL | floppyears: synaptic |
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| 05:44.57 | vorpal | floppyears: aptitude is safer |
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| 05:45.28 | Guerin | floppyears: there is no good reason for a newbie to use anything other than aptitude |
| 05:45.45 | Guerin | synaptic and apt-get are the past, aptitude is the future |
| 05:46.48 | RememberPOL | I thought the rule was that GUI methods are preferred over text methods by newbies? |
| 05:47.07 | Guerin | RememberPOL: what's preferred is irrelevant. It's more about what's actually better. |
| 05:47.32 | Guerin | the fact is aptitude can do more, and do it better than any other apt tool, and it has a gui to boot |
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| 05:47.44 | Guerin | (if you consider curses a gui, which I do) |
| 05:47.49 | RememberPOL | Well if I had to order it by 'newbie-friendliness', I'd have to say synaptic > aptitude > apt-get |
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| 05:48.42 | Guerin | RememberPOL: that's fine until synaptic breaks some dependencies, or fails to install or uninstall some additional packages when required. Or when you have to dist-upgrade. |
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| 05:49.36 | Guerin | vorpal: and shock, there is! |
| 05:49.57 | vorpal | Guerin: it appears to be vestigial |
| 05:50.23 | Guerin | vorpal: #wireless was working fine for me a few months ago |
| 05:50.30 | vorpal | ah, i tried wifi |
| 05:50.54 | vorpal | cool, thanks |
| 05:51.03 | vorpal | i'll whine and moan over there |
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| 05:53.27 | klobster | what files (besides home) should I be backing up? it is not possible to do a full snapshot. |
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| 05:54.10 | kesson | hi |
| 05:54.32 | floppyears | RememberPOL: I would except, I need a command line based program |
| 05:55.05 | Guerin | klobster: it depends. I back up /etc and /usr/local and /var/www and /root and a couple of miscellaneous places |
| 05:55.07 | floppyears | Guerin: so why is aptitude better ? that's actually the one that I use, but I was just checking what you guys suggested |
| 05:55.11 | Guerin | !aptitude |
| 05:55.12 | dpkg | aptitude is probably "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 05:55.21 | Guerin | floppyears: for those reasons ↑ |
| 05:55.23 | RememberPOL | floppyears: apt-get install/remove/update/upgrade/dist-upgrade + apt-cache search have been pretty sufficient for me |
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| 05:55.44 | floppyears | thanks Guerin |
| 05:55.50 | Guerin | welcome |
| 05:55.50 | kesson | downloaded skype-1.4, the beta with video. should i remove the old version (sound only)before 'dpkg -i' this one? |
| 05:56.03 | Guerin | kesson: ask the vendor |
| 05:56.20 | Guerin | kesson: skype won't be supported in debian until it's free software |
| 05:56.26 | kesson | Guerin, have u by any chance try it? |
| 05:56.31 | Guerin | kesson: nope. |
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| 05:57.17 | kesson | Guerin, there is a .deb for skype-1.4.0.74. |
| 05:57.27 | kesson | and it is freeeeeeee... |
| 05:57.32 | Guerin | kesson: i don't care; it's not supported here and has nothing to do with us. |
| 05:57.39 | Guerin | !free software |
| 05:57.39 | dpkg | [free software] at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html, or "Linus is in Finland and I am in The Netherlands. Are we reaching a situation where another critical industry, free software, that had been totally dominated by the U.S. is being taken over by the foreign competition?" - Andy Tanenbaum, Feb 1992. . Software Freedom Day is August 28th |
| 05:57.46 | Guerin | kesson: not really free. |
| 05:57.53 | kesson | Guerin, FO. |
| 05:58.03 | Guerin | ah, more singtards |
| 05:58.26 | Guerin | or maybe it's just the same one, with a bad 'tude, giving his countryment a poor rep |
| 05:59.07 | streuner | maybe the .sg troll |
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| 05:59.24 | RememberPOL | you refer to #debian as a 'countryment'? |
| 05:59.25 | RememberPOL | heh |
| 05:59.41 | Guerin | RememberPOL: no, i just suck at typing. I meant `countrymen' as in, other singaporeans |
| 05:59.42 | RememberPOL | what ever happened to 'channel' or 'community'? ;x |
| 05:59.48 | RememberPOL | oh |
| 05:59.55 | Guerin | RememberPOL: no, the people in here are known collectively as Debiankind |
| 06:00.20 | RememberPOL | ohh that's too german for me |
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| 06:00.31 | Guerin | \not kind as in children |
| 06:00.38 | Guerin | kind as in `humankind' |
| 06:00.44 | RememberPOL | ;x |
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| 06:01.00 | RememberPOL | is two 'ian's too redundant? |
| 06:01.03 | RememberPOL | Debianians? ;x |
| 06:01.08 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:01.15 | Guerin | that has a certain silly charm |
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| 06:01.30 | siimo | its debianates |
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| 06:01.48 | Guerin | siimo: do you mean Debianites? |
| 06:01.56 | siimo | yeh |
| 06:02.00 | RememberPOL | yeah I like that one |
| 06:02.06 | Guerin | too ordinary |
| 06:02.35 | RememberPOL | and as far as VoIP goes, I've been using #mumble.sf.net lately |
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| 06:03.14 | RememberPOL | Feel free to connect to my Murmur server running on S11.Info. ^_^ |
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| 06:04.51 | Guerin | nifty |
| 06:05.44 | streuner | Guerin: s(he) is now in OFTC |
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| 06:06.14 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:06.46 | RememberPOL | streuner: Are you referring to me? |
| 06:07.00 | streuner | nah |
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| 06:23.59 | suppaman | hi |
| 06:24.17 | RememberPOL | sup? |
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| 06:29.51 | lymeca | I run sid but I want lenny's 2.6.18 Xen kernel. Is there something important I should keep in mind if I want to use testing kernel on sid? |
| 06:31.09 | Guerin | lymeca: it should work reasonably well |
| 06:31.28 | Guerin | lymeca: just keep an eye on deps and you should be fine |
| 06:32.35 | lymeca | Guerin: Should I install the Xen hypervisor and admin tools from lenny? |
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| 06:32.41 | lymeca | And not the packages in sid? |
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| 06:32.50 | lymeca | The only thing missing from sid is the Xen kernel |
| 06:33.00 | lymeca | But the hypervisor is apparently still there |
| 06:33.08 | cat | how do you update a package with apt-get update? |
| 06:33.08 | lymeca | I would think getting the lenny Xen packages would be best |
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| 06:33.14 | cat | to update an expecific package |
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| 06:33.36 | RememberPOL | apt-get install <package> |
| 06:33.39 | oush | whats the most suitable os for a server |
| 06:33.45 | cat | to update a package |
| 06:33.50 | RememberPOL | yes |
| 06:33.52 | oush | cant decide between debian, freebsd or fedora! |
| 06:34.08 | suppaman | I want to install tremulous but the needed package tremulous-data isn't in repository |
| 06:34.15 | RememberPOL | oush: I vote: debian |
| 06:34.22 | MangosDebian | RememberPOL: you would! |
| 06:34.29 | cat | that's to installed a package u dumb ass |
| 06:34.48 | RememberPOL | But if it's already installed and outdated, then it will upgrade it, u dumb ass |
| 06:35.01 | MangosDebian | oush: Windows 2000 Advanced Server of course |
| 06:35.08 | lymeca | suppaman: tremulous-data is in non-free, so be sure to have that section enabled in your sources.list for you repostory |
| 06:35.24 | suppaman | lymeca: why is it in non-free ? afaik it's CC |
| 06:35.31 | MangosDebian | cat: apt-get update not work for you? |
| 06:35.33 | RememberPOL | suppaman: For some reason... the tremulous-data package is listed as 'non-free' ... so make sure your apt system is set up to allow non-free repo grabs. |
| 06:35.41 | suppaman | ok thanks |
| 06:35.43 | lymeca | suppaman: In the new version of Tremulous, the content will be CC 3.0 licensed which meets the DFSG so both packages should go into main |
| 06:35.54 | lymeca | suppaman: CC 2.x is non-free by the DFSG |
| 06:36.27 | suppaman | now I have "etch main contrib", non-free is literally "non-free" ? |
| 06:36.37 | lymeca | I'm fairly certain CC 3.0 is DFSG-free though so it should be fine on the next Tremulous version |
| 06:36.38 | lymeca | yes |
| 06:36.42 | lymeca | etch main contrib non-free |
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| 06:37.48 | Guerin | lymeca: i can't answer that, sorry. Check the deps, they might be version-agnostic. |
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| 06:38.25 | rainabba | Best way to install Kiba-dock on Etch? |
| 06:38.38 | Guerin | rainabba: aptitude install kiba-dock |
| 06:38.46 | suppaman | is anyone aware of a debian gnu-darwin port ? |
| 06:39.00 | suppaman | I found a reference somewhere but am not able to find it anymore |
| 06:39.12 | tarzeau | suppaman: no? |
| 06:39.12 | Guerin | suppaman: i don't believe such exists; unsurprisingly, since there's alread a debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 06:39.27 | lymeca | Guerin: Do you happen to know the difference between linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 and linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-amd64 ? |
| 06:39.29 | RememberPOL | lymeca: Why is CC 2.x considered non-free by the DFSG, and what difference in CC 3.0 would make it acceptable? |
| 06:39.31 | tarzeau | suppaman: there also was debian gnu/netbsd (but it's not updated anymore), but debian gnu/kfreebsd is very active |
| 06:39.31 | Guerin | lymeca: nope. |
| 06:39.38 | lymeca | What makes the vserver package different? |
| 06:39.49 | tarzeau | suppaman: did you try the gnu/hurd or plan9? nexenta gnu/solaris? |
| 06:40.05 | tarzeau | suppaman: minix3? |
| 06:40.22 | lymeca | RememberPOL: Unfortunately I'm not 100% sure myself, although I've been intending on looking into that. I'd check past debian-legal discussions. |
| 06:40.29 | RememberPOL | suppaman: http://gnu-darwin.org/ |
| 06:40.42 | MangosDebian | omg, almost 300 bans here?! you guys sure dont believe in house cleaning do ya. And why is mwilson and fieldysnuts banned?! |
| 06:40.44 | tarzeau | RememberPOL, suppaman: gnu-darwin and minix probably lack seriously drivers |
| 06:41.08 | Guerin | MangosDebian: for the reason. |
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| 06:41.45 | MangosDebian | Guerin: not quite a full sentence there |
| 06:42.00 | Guerin | MangosDebian: They are banned for the reason. There. |
| 06:42.09 | rainabba | Guerin: No solution is found that will install kiba-dock, kiba-plugins, kiba-setttings, and libakamaru0. They all say "..keep the following packages.... [Not Installed]" |
| 06:42.17 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: it's called "ellipse". in a dialog there's no need for sentences as in verb (and whatever is needed for sentences) |
| 06:42.24 | MangosDebian | or did you mean, "foo --->_THE_ <--- reason" :) |
| 06:42.25 | Guerin | rainabba: then it's not in etch. |
| 06:42.30 | MangosDebian | s/foo/for |
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| 06:42.47 | Guerin | MangosDebian: yes, the reason why each was banned. |
| 06:42.50 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: maybe this explains: http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable |
| 06:42.53 | cat | hey how do you make an powerpc boot from the cd, what key do you press. because everytime i press any key it doesn't work |
| 06:42.56 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: but he didnt use and elipse... |
| 06:42.59 | cat | the cd it doesn't boot |
| 06:43.00 | tarzeau | Guerin: it is not the same for everyone, is it? |
| 06:43.03 | suppaman | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.04 | streuner | tarzeau: nah |
| 06:43.12 | Guerin | tarzeau: no, hence my later correction. |
| 06:43.16 | rainabba | Guerin: Hmm, that is why I specified Etch. I want to know the best way to get it installed. Apparently that's not a viable answer. Thanks though. |
| 06:43.17 | tarzeau | streuner: nah to what? |
| 06:43.36 | streuner | tarzeau: mwilson has/had different reason(s) |
| 06:43.50 | tarzeau | streuner: well that's why i said maybe. because i don't know |
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| 06:44.24 | MangosDebian | dont mean to stir up old crap or anything, just their names caught my eyes and were right beside each other in the list. mainly i was curious when freenode allowed such large ban lists though |
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| 06:45.29 | random | are there any known issues with the nvidia driver and xorg in testing? a mate is getting an odd error where nvidia driver compile dies complaining that it cant find dosemu/tmp etc |
| 06:45.45 | Guerin | rainabba: BTS |
| 06:45.47 | Guerin | bah |
| 06:45.50 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: thanks, give me a minute to read though :/ |
| 06:45.51 | Guerin | random: BTS. |
| 06:46.13 | random | bts means nothing |
| 06:46.21 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: what's your irc client? |
| 06:46.28 | Guerin | random: it means plenty. |
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| 06:46.44 | random | Bacon Tomato Sauce? |
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| 06:46.54 | dondelelcaro | !bts |
| 06:46.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 06:46.56 | Guerin | !topicbadger random |
| 06:46.56 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that random didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 06:47.00 | Guerin | oh, too slow |
| 06:47.05 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: irssi |
| 06:47.11 | suppaman | random: sounds tasty |
| 06:47.26 | random | Guerin, you are a real champion of the open source support community |
| 06:47.41 | Guerin | random: I have nothing to do with open source, thanks plenty. |
| 06:47.48 | random | suppaman, I thought so :) |
| 06:47.51 | tarzeau | Guerin: free software? |
| 06:47.59 | random | Guerin, ah, that explains why you can't offer much help |
| 06:47.59 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: why? |
| 06:48.01 | Guerin | tarzeau: you know me all too well. |
| 06:48.24 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: i was just curious. i also have irssi, but i only see a list with /names and the names are not next to each other (mabye because i don't have 80x24) |
| 06:48.32 | tarzeau | Guerin: :) you're great |
| 06:48.33 | Guerin | random: i gavce you plenty of help; I can't change the fact you'd rather get pissy about it than put it to use. |
| 06:48.39 | Guerin | !beer tarzeau |
| 06:49.14 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: im in vga= mode atm, and my list wasnt in numerical order. just luck i guess |
| 06:49.43 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: in channels with 20+ people i only use /names to see how many people are in |
| 06:50.12 | MangosDebian | 02:38 -!- 180 - #debian: ban mwilson*!*@* [by douglas.freenode.net, 3813162 secs ago] 02:38 -!- 182 - #debian: ban fieldysnuts*!*@* [by douglas.freenode.net, 3813162 secs ago] |
| 06:50.22 | dondelelcaro | random: in case you haven't caught on yet, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=nvidia-glx;dist=unstable <-- this is what Guerin is getting at. |
| 06:50.26 | MangosDebian | well, sorry, seperrated by one nick, but still |
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| 06:50.45 | dondelelcaro | random: if the issue isn't listed there, then no one knows about it. |
| 06:50.45 | streuner | o.O |
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| 06:50.51 | RememberPOL | :o |
| 06:50.52 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: i used /bans not /names |
| 06:51.04 | MangosDebian | zome fieldysnuts were just here lol |
| 06:51.29 | Guerin | tarzeau: i am listening to Moglen's latest spiel as we speak |
| 06:51.39 | Guerin | the man is a champion |
| 06:51.43 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: ahhh, i never use that but thanks |
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| 06:51.57 | rainabba | Guerin: BTS? |
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| 06:52.04 | Guerin | rainabba: misfire, sorry. |
| 06:52.14 | rainabba | k |
| 06:52.22 | Koffa | should installing linux-image-xen-686 on etch add it to the grub automagically? |
| 06:52.31 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: careful, its a screenful or two :) |
| 06:52.37 | Guerin | Koffa: it should. If you think it hasn't, run update-grub |
| 06:52.48 | Koffa | Guerin: tried running over and over again |
| 06:52.49 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: not as worse as /list -yes is it? |
| 06:52.52 | random | oh no dondelelcaro, I caught on, I'd checked BTS before wandering on here, and I'd googled and found some clues either, I was just after generall yes/no if any one had heard about the issue as it appears to have been around for awhile. |
| 06:53.00 | Koffa | Guerin: only the default kernel (non-xen) shows up in menu.lst |
| 06:53.05 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: nah, only like 3 or 4 screens depending on your res |
| 06:53.12 | dondelelcaro | random: if someone here had, they'd have filed a bug about it |
| 06:53.15 | random | s/earlier/either/ |
| 06:53.15 | rainabba | Koffa: I was thinking of taking my 3rd stab at installing Xen on Etch. You got it working before? |
| 06:53.16 | Guerin | random: if anyone had, don't you think they'd have posted it to the BTS? |
| 06:53.20 | MangosDebian | 280 bans roughly |
| 06:53.24 | Koffa | Guerin: fresh 4.0r0 install |
| 06:53.35 | Guerin | Koffa: you can add a manual entry, but I don't see why it shouldn't work. |
| 06:53.41 | random | dondelelcaro, oh really? you mean every day debian users file bugs? odd... |
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| 06:54.08 | dondelelcaro | random: sometimes it even happens twice a day. |
| 06:54.08 | random | "end users don't file bugs; news at 11" |
| 06:54.14 | random | dondelelcaro, :) |
| 06:54.54 | Koffa | Guerin: neither can I :/ |
| 06:55.17 | dondelelcaro | Koffa: if you show us your menu.lst, we may be able to tell. Use a paste site. |
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| 06:56.05 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: lol, Knoppixton and Ubuntubia :) nice read though |
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| 06:58.20 | appelza | hi, I have two network interfaces. (sky2 and e1000). how can I force eth0 to be the e1000 ? |
| 06:58.29 | MangosDebian | appelza: man nameif |
| 06:58.42 | appelza | thanks |
| 06:58.51 | MangosDebian | that or udev, but i recommend nameif |
| 06:59.13 | tarzeau | appelza: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/502 |
| 06:59.24 | appelza | thanks |
| 06:59.24 | Guerin | ifrename is deprecated nowadays? |
| 06:59.31 | MangosDebian | u think you can do it with kernel boot param too |
| 06:59.37 | tarzeau | Guerin: i wish i knew, my problem is i need the right name at install time |
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| 06:59.49 | Guerin | hm, ifrename works fine for me |
| 06:59.56 | tarzeau | Guerin: so i build my own kernel without firewire support. and still there are workstations with more than one real network interface |
| 07:00.06 | MangosDebian | Guerin: its all the same in the end :) |
| 07:00.07 | tarzeau | Guerin: during install time, with preseeding? |
| 07:00.08 | Guerin | tarzeau: argh |
| 07:00.25 | Guerin | tarzeau: nono, i was talking about my own case. |
| 07:00.30 | tarzeau | Guerin: nvidia nics cause problems with working when used with pxe, sometimes |
| 07:00.45 | tarzeau | Guerin: and i was being selfish trying to get my problems solved |
| 07:01.05 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:01.51 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: lol, reminds me of a quote I seen once: "When I come online, I expect to have my questions answered as quick as possible! I pay for my internet access and therefore I pay for access to your services" |
| 07:02.23 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: hahaha, good one :) |
| 07:02.27 | tarzeau | did you know if you mirror all data from the BTS you get like 26 GB |
| 07:02.42 | Guerin | yikes |
| 07:02.45 | MangosDebian | ouch |
| 07:02.45 | Guerin | see |
| 07:02.56 | Guerin | that's how much is wrong with debian - 26GB of BUGS! |
| 07:03.04 | tarzeau | (but that's with metainformation like indexes) |
| 07:03.07 | Guerin | that's more than the whole of all windows versions PUT TOGETHER |
| 07:03.13 | tarzeau | Guerin: and most of them are FIXED! |
| 07:03.28 | Guerin | tarzeau: you and your logic |
| 07:03.44 | MangosDebian | Guerin: you realised the next windows is gonna ship on hddvd right? :) |
| 07:03.45 | Koffa | dondelelcaro: sorry, didn't notice in time... zapped it already. anyway it was the default menu.lst after a 'normal' (non-expert) install with small /boot and lvm for the rest... tried to change to ...-xen-686 after the very first boot... |
| 07:03.52 | tarzeau | Guerin: i made a mirror to do some graphic plots about it to extract information |
| 07:04.05 | Guerin | MangosDebian: heh |
| 07:04.07 | tarzeau | Guerin: like get all email addresses and sell them^W^W^Werrr |
| 07:04.13 | Guerin | tarzeau: heh |
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| 07:04.26 | Guerin | tarzeau: you'll make zillions! |
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| 07:04.44 | tarzeau | Guerin: i'm just curious how many people have used BTS |
| 07:05.03 | fireba11 | tarzeau: and how many did use it ? |
| 07:05.20 | suppaman | bye |
| 07:05.26 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: SELECT count(*) FROM stolen_email_addresses_from_bts; ;) |
| 07:05.35 | tarzeau | fireba11: hehe, i just finished with the rsync, i don't know yet. but be sure you'll be the first to know (if you stay in #debian) |
| 07:05.49 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: i won't use any SQL for this |
| 07:06.14 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: here: also very much data but all without SQL :) http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ |
| 07:06.14 | MangosDebian | sql is nice for anything large imho |
| 07:06.18 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: updating it takes 2 hours |
| 07:07.02 | MangosDebian | 404 |
| 07:07.25 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: ouch, let me chec |
| 07:08.01 | oush | how old is debian? How long has it been around for? |
| 07:08.13 | streuner | !history |
| 07:08.13 | dpkg | [history] old and boring or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version |
| 07:08.27 | MangosDebian | must be mid to late 90's |
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| 07:09.49 | Guerin | try early |
| 07:09.50 | MangosDebian | 96 or so is my guess. god, has it been that long guys? :) |
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| 07:10.45 | MangosDebian | i know ive been using for about 10 years now on and off |
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| 07:11.22 | MangosDebian | and operating systems anonymous refuses to give me much need help for my addiction :( |
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| 07:12.18 | floppyears | hi |
| 07:12.29 | floppyears | how can I monitor bandwidth in my network ? |
| 07:12.41 | MangosDebian | ethstatus? |
| 07:12.47 | streuner | iptraf? |
| 07:13.11 | MangosDebian | i think ethstatus looks better though |
| 07:13.16 | streuner | !info iptraf |
| 07:13.23 | floppyears | I want to be able to monitor the total amount of bandwith of a specific machine as well as outgoing through the network with lots of graphs, reports, etc |
| 07:13.29 | dpkg | iptraf: (Interactive Colorful IP LAN Monitor), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 159 kB, Installed size: 732 kB |
| 07:13.30 | floppyears | thanks guys |
| 07:13.44 | Guerin | iptop |
| 07:13.49 | Guerin | or iftop? I forget |
| 07:13.54 | MangosDebian | streuner: apt-get install ethstatus, tell me what you think |
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| 07:14.36 | floppyears | can those programs keep a total amount of bandwith used over a period of time like months, and then do reports ? |
| 07:14.51 | MangosDebian | streuner: its nowhere near as indepth, but its simple and clean |
| 07:15.14 | MangosDebian | floppyears: i think firewall is better choice to keep stats |
| 07:15.30 | MangosDebian | doesnt require a running daemon either |
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| 07:15.49 | Koffa | dondelelcaro/guerin: it's the hypervisor-package that updates the menu.lst... |
| 07:15.50 | Guerin | writing the rules canbe tricky, though |
| 07:15.53 | streuner | MangoD: hm, it looks like pppstatus :-) |
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| 07:16.01 | MangosDebian | Guerin: shorewall |
| 07:16.13 | Guerin | MangosDebian: shitewall, you mean. No thanks. |
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| 07:16.25 | MangosDebian | streuner: ya, simple and nice though when you just need a quick glance |
| 07:16.30 | Guerin | anyway, for my purposes I'd need it to run on openbsd. |
| 07:16.33 | Arafangion | shorewall's good for basic firewall configuration |
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| 07:16.45 | Guerin | ipmasq is good for a basic firewall configuration |
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| 07:17.04 | Koffa | $EDITOR ? |
| 07:17.06 | Guerin | shorewall, firehol, etc have moving parts and abstraction layers, and are therefore complicated |
| 07:17.12 | MangosDebian | Guerin: basic firewall? thats askin for trouble heh |
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| 07:17.34 | Rodger_ | does Debian etch comes with hibernate function? |
| 07:17.37 | Guerin | MangosDebian: not at all. Anything more than basic is troublesome, because it usually means running commands you don't understand. |
| 07:17.47 | MangosDebian | shorewall is very nice though |
| 07:17.54 | Guerin | Rodger_: yes and no. It does, but support depends on your hardware. |
| 07:18.05 | Arafangion | Rodger_: ATI cards are particularly troublesome. |
| 07:18.17 | Guerin | MangosDebian: it was easier for me to learn iptables than shorewall's stupid config rules. |
| 07:18.24 | MangosDebian | Guerin: problem with manual iptables commands is that your security depends on how well you understand tcp in the first place |
| 07:18.54 | Rodger_ | Arafangion and Guerin: I do have a ATI card |
| 07:18.57 | Guerin | MangosDebian: not really. If you have a default DROP there's very little you can do to harm yourself, within reason. |
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| 07:19.24 | Arafangion | Rodger_: I suggest you try the very latest ATI driver, then, or stick to the opensource driver, and pray. |
| 07:19.25 | Guerin | Rodger_: when you install powersaved, make sure you force it to unload the module and switch_vt whenever you hibernate |
| 07:19.26 | indraveni | could someone tell me, which is the documentroot path for the mailman in debian |
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| 07:19.53 | Arafangion | Guerin: One of the recent (but not the latest) ATI drivers wouldn't even allow standby. |
| 07:20.02 | floppyears | thanks for the suggestion guys |
| 07:20.18 | indraveni | in the sample file of mailman, its given /var/www/lists, whereas, under /var/www/ there is no such folder |
| 07:20.23 | floppyears | MangosDebian: I would, except that I don't have a dedicated firewall since my linksys router doesn't count as one :( |
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| 07:21.03 | MangosDebian | floppyears: you would what? |
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| 07:22.03 | floppyears | MangosDebian: I'm just saying that I don't have a dedicated firewall |
| 07:22.10 | liable | indraveni: have you read the README.debian? |
| 07:22.14 | floppyears | all poor floppy has is a linksys router |
| 07:22.38 | MangosDebian | floppyears: ah. well, thats better than a wide open box with ssh and stuff open to the world |
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| 07:23.01 | liable | why do I visualise floppyears as a rabbit? |
| 07:23.10 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 07:23.45 | Rodger_ | I just installed acpi-support and hibernate packages |
| 07:23.46 | indraveni | liable, yes, in that its written to create a link for /etc/mailman/apache.conf in the /etc/apache2/conf.d directory |
| 07:23.52 | Rodger_ | how do I actually do hibernate? |
| 07:24.06 | indraveni | liable, but all the apache configurations are commented and after uncommenting them |
| 07:24.18 | liable | Rodger_: eat a shitload for three months, find a warm place, sleep for 6 months :) |
| 07:24.22 | indraveni | liable, I am see that there is no /var/www/lists direcotry |
| 07:24.37 | MangosDebian | liable: I like your attitude! |
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| 07:25.13 | liable | MangosDebian: i am not even drunk yet either! ;) |
| 07:25.14 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: fixed: http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ |
| 07:25.17 | MangosDebian | ha |
| 07:25.24 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: that was a quick apache 1 to 2 migration :) |
| 07:25.26 | Rodger | hey, I got it hibernated |
| 07:25.27 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: 200 :) |
| 07:25.34 | Rodger | it is really quick |
| 07:25.44 | Rodger | not sure if it will boot up right |
| 07:25.49 | liable | indraveni: and what happens when you create that dir? |
| 07:25.58 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: heh nice. but nasty cursor :/ |
| 07:26.10 | MangosDebian | lol, is that a butterfly? |
| 07:26.52 | Rodger_ | haha |
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| 07:26.53 | liable | indraveni: surely there is more info than what you have read. though after installing a couple of web apps from debian repos i have found the documentation to be a little lacking |
| 07:26.56 | Rodger_ | liable |
| 07:26.59 | Rodger_ | realy funny |
| 07:27.15 | Rodger_ | I just went hibernate for 1 min and come back |
| 07:27.20 | Rodger_ | it works!!!! |
| 07:27.23 | Rodger_ | Debian rocks |
| 07:27.47 | MangosDebian | sing it brother |
| 07:27.48 | Rodger_ | I am about to hibernate now |
| 07:27.54 | Rodger_ | so see you all |
| 07:27.57 | Arafangion | Rodger_: Cya in 6 months. |
| 07:28.29 | Arafangion | Where do I get Debian On A Stick? |
| 07:28.41 | floppyears | quick question guys |
| 07:28.56 | Rodger | well, I still have my windows running, so |
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| 07:28.57 | floppyears | can either iftop, iptraf or ethstatus be run as a daemon ? |
| 07:28.59 | Rodger | not so long |
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| 07:29.17 | floppyears | I want somthing that is running in the background and I can check once in a while to see the amount of bandwidth used |
| 07:29.23 | cast | floppyears: munin |
| 07:29.24 | MangosDebian | floppyears: just edit yout inittab and toss it on a vt |
| 07:29.26 | liable | floppyears: theres the web one iftop? iptop? that runs as a daemon |
| 07:29.39 | cast | liable: ntop? |
| 07:29.54 | Arafangion | floppyears: I'd run something, such as ntop, on the router. |
| 07:30.27 | liable | cast: thats the one |
| 07:30.31 | liable | ntop |
| 07:30.42 | cast | munin is pretty sweet though. |
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| 07:31.19 | rainabba | Is the package checkinstall known by another name now? |
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| 07:31.30 | rainabba | nm |
| 07:31.39 | liable | heh, been a while, and theres some funny new bash.org quotes |
| 07:31.46 | Arafangion | rainabba: It's nearly trivial to install programs the debian way. |
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| 07:32.09 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: yea, animated if on windows w/ ie |
| 07:32.57 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: cause nobody suspects the butterfly? :) |
| 07:32.58 | Guerin | liable: impossible! |
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| 07:33.34 | liable | Guerin: i am easily amused |
| 07:33.42 | liable | or bored i guess |
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| 07:33.52 | Guerin | liable: you're from queensland, that goes without saying |
| 07:34.12 | Guerin | i mean, you guys like cane toad golf |
| 07:34.26 | liable | Guerin: actually, i didnt grow up in queensland, and i dont live there anymore either, unfortunately |
| 07:34.41 | liable | Guerin: its a fun game! |
| 07:34.46 | Guerin | oh, i thought you did |
| 07:34.50 | Guerin | yes, it is a fun game ;) |
| 07:35.25 | Bushmills | how can a single person maintain 220 debian packages? |
| 07:35.27 | liable | the popping noise is very satisfactory |
| 07:35.32 | Bushmills | *boggle* |
| 07:35.46 | Guerin | Bushmills: i suppose it depends on the packages. |
| 07:37.05 | floppyears | thanks for the help guys |
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| 07:37.56 | RememberPOL | Bushmills: What if each package has an up-to-date website with a .deb link and the 220-package maintainer just has a script to grab them all and verify authenticity and add them to the proper spot in the repository? ;x |
| 07:38.25 | hark | tarzeau: wtf with the butterfly ;) ? |
| 07:38.32 | Bushmills | just looking through the list of packages |
| 07:38.42 | liable | and where is my pony cursor! |
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| 07:39.11 | Bushmills | ok, some of them appear to be easy maintenance |
| 07:39.31 | cydork | liable: you mean sheep? :P |
| 07:39.40 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: wanna see something sexy? http://s193.photobucket.com/albums/z63/mangosdebian/?action=view¤t=mangosdebian.jpg (password "thanks") |
| 07:40.11 | Arafangion | Bushmills: Some people even maintain their entire OS from scratch, no package manager at all or anything else but their own programs. |
| 07:40.27 | Guerin | MangosDebian: what's sexy about that? |
| 07:40.36 | MangosDebian | Guerin: the debian logo :) |
| 07:40.36 | liable | cydork: i wish you guys would get your stereotypical joke correct! :P |
| 07:40.55 | Guerin | MangosDebian: is it actually on the console? |
| 07:40.59 | MangosDebian | yup |
| 07:41.03 | MangosDebian | bootsplash patch |
| 07:41.07 | cydork | liable: heh |
| 07:41.07 | Guerin | hm, i suppose that is nifty |
| 07:41.12 | Guerin | but logos are a WOFT |
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| 07:41.16 | MangosDebian | i can even clear screen and it doesnt earase unlike most patches |
| 07:41.18 | Bushmills | Arafangion: that's different, as this does not require installation package creation and provision to a user community |
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| 07:42.28 | Arafangion | Bushmills: Many write scripts to automate things that are more complex, besides, making debian packages is not honestly that hard. |
| 07:42.39 | MangosDebian | although im rather miffed that the debian rc scripts support "SPLASH" for usplash, but not bootsplash :( |
| 07:42.48 | liable | i wouldnt mind prettying up my console like that |
| 07:43.04 | MangosDebian | so i dont get the moving progress indicators yet til i hack up my rc's |
| 07:43.09 | Bushmills | Arafangion: i'd say it depends on the bitchiness of the program one tries to pack. |
| 07:43.40 | Arafangion | Bushmills: Haskell and Java are probably the worst. |
| 07:43.41 | Bushmills | Arafangion: but in that list are a lot which are probably easy to do. data files, for example |
| 07:43.50 | Bushmills | I18n stuff |
| 07:43.51 | MangosDebian | liable: if you trust me, i can send you the debian package with it already patched. you just need to install the usespace tools and add a splash=silent to grub |
| 07:44.00 | Guerin | Arafangion: kde |
| 07:44.33 | Arafangion | Guerin: Getting the package deps right for KDE would be difficult indeed, especially since they change so much. |
| 07:45.59 | Guerin | Arafangion: yeah, and because kde users always want the version which is about to be released tomorrow |
| 07:46.13 | lymeca | I ran module-assistant auto-install nvidia in an attempt to get Nvidia grpahics drivers installed on my 2.6.18 Xen kernel from lenny. X.Org won't work though unless the driver is ;nv' and not 'nvidia' |
| 07:46.21 | lymeca | How can I check how it installed incorrectly? |
| 07:46.24 | Arafangion | Guerin: Do we want such users in #debian anyway? ;) |
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| 07:46.26 | rainabba | Are there any docks like Engage or kiba-dock that ARE in the stable repos? |
| 07:46.45 | Guerin | Arafangion: sure, as long as they STFU |
| 07:46.46 | liable | MangosDebian: remind me in two weeks. i think it would be quite popular if you could get that in the repo btw |
| 07:46.52 | Guerin | rainabba: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:46.52 | lymeca | $ lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 07:46.56 | lymeca | Turns up NOTHING |
| 07:47.02 | lymeca | Do I have to manually load the module? |
| 07:47.03 | cydork | rainabba: nope. but gdesklets has something like that. |
| 07:47.06 | Guerin | lymeca: i surmise you don't have nvidia loaded |
| 07:47.15 | Guerin | lymeca: that'll be $150 for an hour's consultant fees |
| 07:47.40 | rainabba | Guerin: You get a lot of lazy users here don't you? |
| 07:47.46 | Guerin | rainabba: a *lot* |
| 07:47.47 | rainabba | cydork: ty |
| 07:47.59 | rainabba | Guerin: YOu're cynicism gives that away |
| 07:48.03 | rainabba | Your |
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| 07:48.05 | Guerin | !you're |
| 07:48.12 | Guerin | ah, fair catch |
| 07:48.12 | rainabba | Beat ya to it ;) |
| 07:48.16 | MangosDebian | liable: np. i still need to work on the progress indicators though. usplash seems to have similar syntax, if not identical. and the rc file already has it built in |
| 07:48.18 | Guerin | happen's to the best of us sometime's |
| 07:48.25 | rainabba | Ha |
| 07:48.38 | alt_nick | Hello. Could anyone recommend a resource monitor/grapher suitable for a large cluster? Centralized collection and low load on the nodes, if possible. |
| 07:48.46 | Guerin | rainabba: i'm not cynical, i just resent people who are lazier than me, because I'm DAMNED lazy |
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| 07:49.10 | alt_nick | IO, CPU breakdown, Mem breakdown and Net. |
| 07:49.33 | Guerin | alt_nick: #beowulf? |
| 07:49.51 | alt_nick | Guerin: Empty ;) |
| 07:49.52 | rainabba | Guerin: I say you're cynical considering "/msg dpkg search" I'm searched repos and google, but the only thing I found was kxdock (or something like that) and it looked like ass. |
| 07:50.01 | cydork | alt_nick: ganglia? |
| 07:50.02 | rainabba | Not saying I blame ya though |
| 07:50.35 | rainabba | Guerin: ^^^ Just pointing out the obvious |
| 07:50.51 | Guerin | rainabba: well, the bit where MY laziness comes in is that I have no idea what kiba-dock or the other one you wanted are like, so in lieu of telling you to explain stuff, I figured I'd give you a tool you might not hasve considered yet. |
| 07:51.06 | tarzeau | hark: i made the butterfly :) |
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| 07:51.41 | cydork | !worship tarzeau |
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| 07:52.49 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: nice |
| 07:53.08 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: i'm using terminal.app, i really like the fonts it can use and the size as well as the meta-n key it supports |
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| 07:53.10 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: ? the screeny? |
| 07:53.15 | rainabba | Guerin: Hmm, sounds like you're right. You're not cynical, you're lazy so you expect others to be. Am I understanding now? :) |
| 07:53.17 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: yes i've seen it |
| 07:53.30 | lymeca | Guerin: I want my $150 back |
| 07:53.32 | lymeca | modprobe nvidia loaded the module, but I tried to use it and X.Org still fails and complains of no such driver as "nvidia" |
| 07:53.35 | lymeca | What exactly did "module-assistant auto-install nvidia" do? |
| 07:53.35 | alt_nick | cydork: Thanks. You wouldn't know if it does IO too? |
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| 07:53.52 | rainabba | Guerin: Btw, for a lazy person, you sure do provide a lot of useful feedback in here. |
| 07:53.58 | lymeca | I'm a bit worried because if Xen + Nvidia doesn't work out for me I'm going to want to switch back to a non-Xen Debian kernel and I want graphics drivers to work THERE. |
| 07:54.06 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: ahh yea, its nice. gonna try usplash real quick on a vm box. that was apt-get install bootsplash though. usplash i dont know if as good. sec |
| 07:54.17 | Guerin | lymeca: but nvidia WASN'T loaded at the time, so I was right. I should charge you another hour for this analysis, but you've got another five minutes ;) |
| 07:54.17 | cydork | alt_nick: don't remember about that. check the site :) |
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| 07:54.50 | Guerin | rainabba: more or less. Though it's not just projection; it's mostly derived from experience. |
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| 07:55.01 | alt_nick | mhm, reading. If anyone can think of any others I could still use options. |
| 07:55.23 | lymeca | Aye, well, it's loaded now, and I'll be dammed if it doesn't want to work |
| 07:55.42 | Guerin | lymeca: does that mean you will or won't be damned? |
| 07:55.53 | lymeca | I haven't figured that out yet... |
| 07:56.12 | lymeca | ...maybe I should be thinking about that instead of graphics drivers and virtualisation. |
| 07:56.26 | rainabba | Guerin: Nasty combination |
| 07:57.16 | rainabba | Hadn't thought of this till now. if I install a xen kernel, will I lose the ability to run nvidia module (or compile new one using their script) ? Is that what you two are getting at? |
| 07:58.39 | Guerin | lymeca: maybe you won't not be not damned ... or you will not not be damned |
| 08:00.08 | liable | damned if you do, damned if ... oh nevermind |
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| 08:01.18 | Guerin | holy fuck, Shogun just brought in half a huge rat |
| 08:01.25 | Guerin | not too bad for a kitten |
| 08:02.05 | lymeca | rainabba: I'm struggling with that right now. I just installed the Xen kernel in lenny and headers, and I tried running Nvidia's installer and it said it doesn't support Xen kernels and quit. |
| 08:02.14 | liable | i would be more worried about the ones he missed |
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| 08:03.22 | mastroDani | hi all.. i wanna take to your attention this bug with update-manager in lenny: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/9158e26a7fb9db6/6b3dfad434448366?lnk=st&q=AttributeError%3A+%27module%27+object+has+no+attribute+%27GetPkgActionGroup%27&rnum=1&hl=en#6b3dfad434448366 |
| 08:03.45 | mastroDani | i don't know if someone is allready taking care of this.. but someone should... |
| 08:04.06 | Guerin | mastroDani: is it on bugs.debian.org? |
| 08:04.16 | Guerin | mastroDani: if not, it's not getting any attention. |
| 08:04.18 | liable | thats in debian? |
| 08:04.24 | Guerin | lymeca: in lenny, apparently |
| 08:04.28 | Guerin | lilalinux: |
| 08:04.30 | Guerin | bollocks |
| 08:04.33 | liable | haha |
| 08:04.35 | Guerin | you know who I'm talking to |
| 08:04.51 | lymeca | ?!? |
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| 08:05.01 | Guerin | lymeca: stop having a nick that begins with l |
| 08:05.02 | mastroDani | Guerin: i can't find it |
| 08:05.05 | Guerin | you're confusing me |
| 08:05.17 | Guerin | mastroDani: have you experienced that bug firsthand? |
| 08:05.23 | liable | whos aptitude wont search? |
| 08:05.27 | mastroDani | Guerin: yes i am |
| 08:05.52 | Guerin | mastroDani: then run `bugreport' and put all the relevant information in there |
| 08:06.09 | Guerin | mastroDani: it will give you all the instructions you need |
| 08:06.35 | mastroDani | Guerin: wich package i need? |
| 08:06.57 | Guerin | mastroDani: you should need no package ... err ... reportbug |
| 08:06.59 | Guerin | not bugreport |
| 08:07.12 | Guerin | verbnoun, like the good Bog intended |
| 08:07.15 | mastroDani | oh.. ok |
| 08:07.16 | liable | reportbug |
| 08:07.46 | liable | i was having a brainfart when i saw that and couldn't work out why it didn't sound right |
| 08:07.54 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:08.09 | lymeca | Okay so I ran "module-assistant auto-install nvidia" and I want to undo that now |
| 08:08.59 | Guerin | lymeca: dpkg -l |awk '/nvidia/ {print $2}' |xargs aptitude purge |
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| 08:09.19 | lymeca | Wow |
| 08:09.36 | Guerin | there are easier ways, but I'm too lazy to figure them out |
| 08:09.39 | lymeca | Now *that's* more the kind of stuff I like to see before parting with $150 |
| 08:09.44 | Guerin | hah |
| 08:09.54 | lymeca | Easier than one line? |
| 08:10.05 | Guerin | good point |
| 08:10.34 | mastroDani | Guerin: k |
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| 08:11.01 | lymeca | Argh it even made a nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 package! |
| 08:11.14 | Guerin | of course |
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| 08:11.47 | lymeca | It looks like when I ran "module-assistant auto-install nvidia" it actually installed Nvidia drivers for Xen! |
| 08:12.00 | lymeca | Or... are those not the Nvidia drivers themselves? |
| 08:12.07 | Guerin | they are |
| 08:12.09 | Guerin | i think |
| 08:12.15 | lymeca | nvidia-kernel? |
| 08:12.15 | Guerin | i don't do retarded proprietary shite |
| 08:12.20 | lymeca | Aye |
| 08:12.24 | lymeca | I want an Intel card =[ |
| 08:12.25 | Guerin | but that's what I understand from observing people in here |
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| 08:13.04 | lymeca | So if m-a built a driver for Xen, why's it not working? |
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| 08:13.50 | liable | i fucking wish they would archive bugs that they arent going to fix. aptitude has about 100 that are older than 1 year. |
| 08:14.14 | liable | and several of those are older than 3 years |
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| 08:14.32 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:14.51 | Guerin | lymeca: nvidia in xen is just taking the piss |
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| 08:17.30 | liable | aptitude has 328 bugs on the default bug page, thats just stupid |
| 08:17.53 | liable | no wonder people dont bother reading bts |
| 08:18.00 | tarzeau | liable: i do read them |
| 08:18.00 | NetSpirit | Hi! I have a problem since upgrade from sarge to etch: samba users are disconnected from server every few minutes... they have to authentify each time :\ I asked on #samba too, still waiting for a response... I prefere ask here because I have to solve this problem very quickly as this is on a customer network. |
| 08:18.04 | MangosDebian | ooooh, someone already made a rc patch :) |
| 08:18.10 | MangosDebian | i gotta test this hehe |
| 08:18.19 | tarzeau | liable: you just need a faster way to scan and drop unimportant stuff :) |
| 08:18.54 | liable | tarzeau: no, debian needs to fix the default, and make so i can scan for more if i wish |
| 08:19.19 | tarzeau | liable: i'm glad i don't maintaint THOSE webpages, i'm not sure how hard/easy it'd be to do that |
| 08:19.19 | liable | tarzeau: the amount of bugs you see that are 3 years old and not archived is totally annoying |
| 08:19.31 | tarzeau | liable: aren't they sorted by time? |
| 08:19.46 | tarzeau | liable: i'm glad i can use one large page and grep through it |
| 08:19.54 | tarzeau | liable: instead of of clicking many links to also scan the rest |
| 08:20.01 | liable | tarzeau: thats not the point though |
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| 08:20.22 | tarzeau | liable: true, the problem is with bug reporters that report bugs that aren't really bugs |
| 08:20.46 | tarzeau | liable: and bug reports who report bugs without the needed amount of detail, then are not reachable again |
| 08:20.59 | liable | tarzeau: yes, and those bugs should have a tag and only be shown when they are specifically searched for |
| 08:21.05 | tarzeau | liable: i agree |
| 08:21.11 | tarzeau | liable: what would you call that tag? |
| 08:21.22 | Guerin | liable: implement a javascript hider thingy on it |
| 08:21.28 | tarzeau | Guerin: NO! :) |
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| 08:21.40 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 08:22.01 | tarzeau | liable: you know what? you can mirror the bts and do exactly what you want :) |
| 08:22.12 | liable | tarzeau: thats not an answer |
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| 08:22.14 | Guerin | if you have 26GB of bandwidth to spare |
| 08:22.26 | tarzeau | Guerin: i can provide that |
| 08:22.26 | mastroDani | Guerin: done it.. hope i have exim4 configured to send email outside |
| 08:22.31 | mastroDani | i am not sure |
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| 08:22.40 | liable | tarzeau: we make people search bts all the time, when you see a page like aptitudes, no wonder they give in |
| 08:22.41 | Guerin | mastroDani: reportbug will complain if it fails |
| 08:23.07 | mastroDani | ok.. Sending message via /usr/sbin/sendmail... Bug report submitted to: "Debian Bug Tracking System" <submit@bugs.debian.org> |
| 08:23.08 | tarzeau | liable: so if you had a 1 kg needle in a very lage haystack, you wouldn't search it because the very large amount of hay? |
| 08:23.11 | mastroDani | i think it's ok then |
| 08:23.17 | tarzeau | the 1kg needle is made of real gold |
| 08:23.29 | Guerin | tarzeau: easy - metal detector |
| 08:23.38 | tarzeau | (like the bts sometimes has the solution to a problem) |
| 08:23.42 | liable | or fire is even easier |
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| 08:23.52 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:23.54 | Guerin | quality |
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| 08:23.55 | tarzeau | unf |
| 08:24.02 | B_Raven | Just a quick question. Which versions of KDE comes with Debian stable and testing these days? |
| 08:24.11 | sussudio | gold isn't magnetic, is it. |
| 08:24.16 | tarzeau | sussudio: no it's not |
| 08:24.17 | simonrvn | nope |
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| 08:24.30 | sussudio | well, bollocks to Guerin's metal detector then. |
| 08:24.33 | liable | whats that got to do with metal detectors? |
| 08:24.36 | tarzeau | sussudio: haha :) |
| 08:24.39 | Guerin | B_Raven: /msg dpkg search |
| 08:24.40 | simonrvn | it's conductive, but doesn't even have para-magnetic properties |
| 08:24.44 | liable | %do sussudio |
| 08:24.50 | sussudio | %bear liable |
| 08:24.53 | Guerin | metal detectors don't only work on metallicness |
| 08:24.55 | mosno | B_Raven: 3.5.5 i've got on Etch |
| 08:24.59 | delliott | B_Raven, if you ask http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages then you can find out :-) |
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| 08:25.15 | liable | sussudio: you actually have to get a special metal detector that can only find ferrous metal |
| 08:25.26 | mosno | B_Raven: i swear yesterday pdo said Etch had 3.4.x, which was wak |
| 08:25.26 | Guerin | some work on magnetism; others work on ultrasound, and respond to anything especially hard |
| 08:25.30 | simonrvn | i meant electrical conductivity, not heat |
| 08:25.35 | Guerin | or dense, to be more correct |
| 08:25.44 | mosno | must have been my imagination. |
| 08:26.01 | B_Raven | Guerin, delliott, did search in the package list, versions did not make sense (said 5:something). Thanks, mosno. |
| 08:26.04 | simonrvn | 'whack' |
| 08:26.08 | sussudio | %dict wak |
| 08:26.10 | badgers | could not find definition for wak |
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| 08:26.27 | Guerin | B_Raven: anything before a : is an epoch version - for debia's pacjkage system only, ignore it |
| 08:26.30 | mosno | B_Raven: you were looking at a Debian metapackage (or whatever its called), dig deeper (ie. look at its deps) |
| 08:26.37 | simonrvn | i don't think dict has urban dictionary in it ;) |
| 08:26.50 | mosno | aah but yea kdelibs has epoch 4 |
| 08:27.04 | B_Raven | Well, if it's 3.5.x as you say all is cool. |
| 08:27.16 | tarzeau | B_Raven: but not their print dialog |
| 08:27.31 | tarzeau | i've had a user not able to print because of kde print dialog |
| 08:27.31 | mosno | B_Raven: my only beef with KDE is konqueror doesn't support stuff like Gmail (but it's probably Gmails's fault, not KDE's) |
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| 08:27.43 | simonrvn | you can fake it... |
| 08:27.59 | B_Raven | Never did use konqueror for web browsing, prefere firefox. |
| 08:27.59 | mosno | B_Raven: what's wrong with the print dialog? |
| 08:28.01 | simonrvn | it reads the user agent.. |
| 08:28.12 | mosno | B_Raven: yea i fall back to iceweasel for poo websites |
| 08:28.28 | B_Raven | Ehhh? Something's wrong with their print dialog? |
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| 08:28.43 | mosno | but i find konqueror nicer faster and well integrated to the desktop, in general |
| 08:28.58 | Guerin | that's only true if you run kde |
| 08:28.58 | B_Raven | *shrugs* Haven't used a printer in... oh, about 7 years or so. So really wouldn't know, was a windoze person back then. |
| 08:29.00 | simonrvn | yeh, it says "go fuck yourself, foo' !" instead of print on the button |
| 08:29.08 | Guerin | in which case you've given up on lightness as an objective |
| 08:29.21 | mosno | Guerin: not relative to Gnome i haven't. |
| 08:29.30 | liable | i cant remember what i did, but iceweasel shows up in my apache logs as MS for ages, even after they changed that switcher thing |
| 08:29.48 | simonrvn | about:config ? |
| 08:29.48 | Guerin | mosno: but gnome is about as light as a pregnant hippo |
| 08:29.52 | Guerin | and about as useful |
| 08:30.14 | simonrvn | well ti hippos she's very useful ;) |
| 08:30.17 | simonrvn | to* |
| 08:30.44 | mosno | Guerin: well, i personally find i can't really do without a full desktop environment on my work/home PCs. :-\ |
| 08:30.46 | Guerin | simonrvn: what are you saying about gnome users? |
| 08:30.47 | B_Raven | Ehhh, rate gnome up there with fedora and mandriva. May be all nice and shiny, but it makes me want to pull my hair out. And if there is one thing I'd like to avoid it's going bald in my mind 20s. |
| 08:31.06 | simonrvn | Guerin: what are you saying about hippos? :P |
| 08:31.07 | Guerin | mosno: you have my condolences. I bet you also drive a 5000cc v8 to the shops. |
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| 08:31.21 | liable | bald is bueatifull |
| 08:31.28 | Guerin | with automatic transmission |
| 08:31.36 | mosno | B_Raven: yea Gnome is a pita where it shouldn't be. imho they haven't done a great job integrating different parts of the desktop that imho should be integrated. |
| 08:32.00 | simonrvn | that's probably the biggest complaint |
| 08:32.08 | mosno | Guerin: actually i drive a 1.3L EFI hatchback :) |
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| 08:32.24 | simonrvn | i drive a pair of feet, or a bicycle |
| 08:32.28 | liable | bet your a hairdresser too! |
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| 08:32.34 | mosno | who me? |
| 08:32.37 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: lol |
| 08:32.39 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:33.06 | mosno | i wish, maybe if i was i'd score more sex :P |
| 08:33.13 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: what kinda miles per gallon of jolt cola you get on that? |
| 08:33.16 | Guerin | my sister is getting a mitsubishi l200 with huge wheels and spotlights, in matte black |
| 08:33.18 | B_Raven | Well, the part that drove me nutters was it assuming that either I am a moron that should be protected, or I am advanced enough to not mind digging through non-documented config files. KDE lets me do stuff just the way I want to without having to read manuals for a week before touching it. |
| 08:33.21 | liable | mosno: yes. sorry, was having a flashback and thinking of toyota celicas |
| 08:33.32 | Guerin | it's not her fault, her mate is a redneck mechanic who needs to lighten his inventory |
| 08:33.44 | nomad_cz | Hi. Anyone who could help me with pam_mysql on Debian ? ;) It works unitil I change passwd vi courierpassd - then there is something like {CRYPT}CRYPTED_PASSWD in crypt filed in mysql and it stops working :/ Without {CRYPT} prefix works ok. What to do ? |
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| 08:34.01 | Guerin | nomad_cz: don't use crypt -> solved |
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| 08:34.25 | nomad_cz | Guerin: ;) I'd like to use crypt ;) |
| 08:34.41 | mosno | B_Raven: yes, kde is more intuitive i find for most people. a lot of the time in gnome you right click something and stuff that should be in the context menu isn't. you have to open up a seperate app and do your thing there where in kde you'd have it in your context menu |
| 08:34.41 | simonrvn | there's better hash schemes ;) |
| 08:34.49 | liable | i havent come to grips with PAM yet, she is the crazy lady that throws cats at you when you knock on her door.. |
| 08:35.12 | simonrvn | VELCRO CAT! LOOK OUT! |
| 08:35.16 | Guerin | mosno: by `intuitive' you actually mean `windows-like' |
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| 08:35.30 | mosno | Guerin: i mean 'modern-gui-like' |
| 08:35.46 | mosno | Guerin: if it was windows like, i probably wouldn't use it :) |
| 08:35.48 | simonrvn | nothing modern about being windows-ish |
| 08:36.09 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:36.26 | liable | nothing to do with computers is intuitive imho |
| 08:36.49 | mosno | liable: except perhaps a well designed UI |
| 08:36.55 | simonrvn | it's an oer-used, mis-used word, when it comes to this sort of thing |
| 08:36.59 | B_Raven | What's wrong with "windows-like"? Not liking their philosophy does not preclude liking their interface. Some stuff in windows does come under the heading of "works quite well". |
| 08:37.12 | Guerin | mosno: no, the fundamental design metaphors behind KDE are windows (and CDE), whereas with gnome they're OSX (and *step) |
| 08:37.17 | simonrvn | gimme unix |
| 08:37.22 | _lyte_ | join #mediawiki |
| 08:37.28 | liable | gimme beer |
| 08:37.29 | Guerin | mosno: which means that, without realising it, if you gre up using windows, KDE seems more intuitive |
| 08:37.55 | mosno | Guerin: interesting theory. |
| 08:37.56 | Guerin | i used kde when I first switched, for the same reason ... and still find it saner than gnome |
| 08:38.08 | liable | i actually like kde, mostly just the look. |
| 08:38.16 | Guerin | mosno: it's not really a theory, it's the entire reason there are two competing desktop systems. |
| 08:38.22 | mosno | funnily enough i think gnome looks better, but kde "just works" better |
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| 08:38.41 | mosno | Guerin: it's not "the entire reason". |
| 08:38.56 | liable | gtk i find ugly as fuck, but, thats what preferences are about |
| 08:39.04 | mosno | Guerin: if you recall, Gnome Project started because Qt was non-free |
| 08:39.13 | militant | hi guys. anyone wanna point me to a good article somewhere, or give me an idea where to start, if i wanna run 2 connections? one ethernet, one wifi? maybe put bit torrent on one, other stuff on the other, or just load balance? |
| 08:39.15 | MangosDebian | liable: gtk has theme support though |
| 08:39.23 | simonrvn | now, if they can learn to trim down on resource use, they'd be better off. at least it isn't hastalavista in terms of resource use... |
| 08:39.26 | mosno | Guerin: besides, i dont buy your over-generalising theory. |
| 08:39.35 | mosno | Guerin: no offence, i just happen to disagree :) |
| 08:39.35 | liable | MangosDebian: yes, several ugly themes |
| 08:39.43 | B_Raven | Wasn't QT released under the GPL a while back? |
| 08:39.53 | simonrvn | long time ago |
| 08:39.53 | mosno | B_Raven: yea. it's dual licensed. |
| 08:40.02 | MangosDebian | liable: ive seen gtk themes that were Mac OS clones, very good looking compared to default widget sets |
| 08:40.10 | B_Raven | Shiny. |
| 08:40.22 | mosno | Gnome Platform does a lot of things right, Gnome Desktop doesn't. |
| 08:40.23 | mosno | imho. |
| 08:40.36 | simonrvn | B_Raven: figures someone with a nick like yours would say that ;) |
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| 08:40.49 | liable | its hilarious that there is several of these sort of conversations every day |
| 08:41.04 | mosno | interesting also to note that parts of Gnome Platform (or at least parts that were originally seen implemented into a working system) are beginning to be used in KDE (cite dbus/hal) |
| 08:41.12 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: your one to talk simon raven :p |
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| 08:41.29 | B_Raven | For me gnome seems to be a better desktop for people who are new to computers in general, seems to hide all the hideously complex configuration options from plain view. Personaly I love hidiously complex configutations options. |
| 08:41.40 | simonrvn | mosno: that's because they're trying to merge the backend stuff, or at least sync |
| 08:41.48 | mosno | B_Raven: :-) be glad that both exist, i say |
| 08:41.50 | B_Raven | simonrvn, Aye, I say "nevermore" a lot too. ;) |
| 08:41.56 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 08:41.58 | MangosDebian | lol |
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| 08:42.00 | mosno | simonrvn: a good thing |
| 08:42.08 | liable | mosno: they are just nice tools, nothing to do with the actual look of the desktop |
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| 08:42.20 | simonrvn | mosno: it is. grab the best of both |
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| 08:42.30 | mosno | jah, iceweasel :P |
| 08:42.35 | Enverex | I like Gnome but to be honest Nautilus is really severely lacking many needed features which makes it annoying. |
| 08:42.40 | mosno | even though that's not gnome in Debian |
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| 08:43.28 | mosno | Enverex: and implements some really stupid useless ones (notes and emblems for files) |
| 08:43.59 | militant | ahh, i'm seeing here that all i have to do is turn on the 2 nics and it should just work? |
| 08:44.01 | mosno | yay an emblem! that i can't search on! or use outside limited parts of the Gnome desktop! woo! |
| 08:44.02 | B_Raven | mosno, That I can agree with. Having two major (and several handfuls of minor) desktop systems helps a lot in not only maintaining diversity, but also leads to better solutions being found (by more possible solutions being tried). |
| 08:44.14 | simonrvn | mosno: that's what freedesktop.org is for, to make some common features, standards, with the 3 major ones (xfce, kde, gnome) |
| 08:44.39 | nozy | wow did 4 runs will on my old p160 |
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| 08:44.46 | nozy | ^^debain |
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| 08:44.48 | B_Raven | liable, that'd be me, sorry. |
| 08:44.53 | Enverex | Things I want to see are being able to set icons all to the same size and being able to align to a grid (both of which KDE can do but something in KDE bugs me) |
| 08:44.57 | mosno | B_Raven: jah, cite using beagle libs in a kde search tool |
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| 08:45.13 | mosno | simonrvn: fdo ftw |
| 08:45.25 | liable | B_Raven: you are officialy off my christmas card list |
| 08:45.25 | mosno | anyway i should get my arse off this PC and over to a friend's. |
| 08:45.28 | mosno | later |
| 08:45.49 | simonrvn | liable: can i be off it too? :) |
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| 08:46.15 | simonrvn | anyway, later people |
| 08:46.16 | liable | simonrvn: sure, you were gonna get money in the card this year too! |
| 08:46.23 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:46.53 | liable | bye bye |
| 08:47.01 | mosno | Enverex: you could possibly change your Gnome session to run nautilus with the --no-desktop (or whatever) switch, then use some desktop-icon-displayer app.... just a thought |
| 08:47.19 | liable | mosno: go to your friends house! |
| 08:47.28 | mosno | liable: too much gui for you? :) |
| 08:47.38 | liable | yes |
| 08:48.02 | mosno | forgive me, i'm stuck in RHEL and OpenServer ssh xterms all day |
| 08:48.03 | liable | well, too much pointless quaraling |
| 08:48.23 | liable | no wonder you seem a little on edge |
| 08:48.40 | mosno | not quareling, just having a hearty discussion on the interface that lets me use my computer each day |
| 08:48.50 | mosno | and yea i am on edge. freezing my arse off and hungry |
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| 08:49.53 | liable | stupid winter, its cold here too |
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| 08:50.05 | mosno | lol, i'll refrain. see ya |
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| 08:54.21 | MangosDebian | oh god no. some 7-11's are turning into simpson kwik-e-marts lol |
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| 08:55.01 | liable | come again? |
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| 08:55.29 | ab3l | hi on boot it says : /bin/cat: /sys/block/sdb/dev: No such file or directory ||| Waiting 1 seconds for /sys/block/sdb/dev to show up |
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| 08:55.46 | MangosDebian | liable: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070701/ap_on_bi_ge/7_eleven_kwik_e_mart;_ylt=AhW2xk_50Ugddf6jQM7aTrzMWM0F |
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| 08:55.52 | js_ | does a firewall require a lot of memory? |
| 08:56.01 | MangosDebian | js_: no |
| 08:56.12 | MangosDebian | unless you have a bazillion rules |
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| 08:56.37 | js_ | MangosDebian: alright, thakns |
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| 08:57.56 | MangosDebian | ya ya, i thought so lol |
| 08:58.16 | MangosDebian | my original reply was "thank you..." |
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| 08:59.43 | ab3l | hi on boot it says : /bin/cat: /sys/block/sdb/dev: No such file or directory ||| Waiting 1 seconds for /sys/block/sdb/dev to show up - What's this ? /sys/block/sdb/dev exists |
| 08:59.50 | militant | hmmm is it unadvisable or exceedingly complicated to run 2 simultaneous connections? i'm not finding a lot of direct references |
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| 09:00.27 | MangosDebian | militant: 2 isps? |
| 09:00.43 | militant | well i have cable modem here, and there's wifi available free in the building too |
| 09:00.50 | liable | on a side note, a brewery made cartons of duff for a short period when the simpsond first came out, i heard years later that they were selling for about ten grand a piece years after they were sued for making them |
| 09:00.52 | MangosDebian | ab3l: sdb as in scsi disk b. not sure what it means, but any use in fstab for it? |
| 09:01.08 | militant | i'd like to run both, share the load, or perhaps stick some things on one connection so my other isn't clogged |
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| 09:02.02 | MangosDebian | militant: well, there is diff routes that are static to keep it simple. or you can do a kind of round robin route setup so each new connection goes out alternating connections. |
| 09:02.17 | ab3l | MangosDebian> sdb is the decive my usb 320gb hdd belongs to and it's the one system boot from |
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| 09:02.53 | militant | MangosDebian: well it's dynamic on one, has to be, and the other i think i can get static. i can get static on both if i get a 2nd router if it's really necessary |
| 09:02.53 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 09:02.54 | ab3l | the strange thing is kernel 2.6.18 works - 2.6.21 pops this message |
| 09:02.54 | MangosDebian | ab3l: is /sys mounted currently? |
| 09:03.05 | ab3l | u mean in fstab ? |
| 09:03.08 | ab3l | no |
| 09:03.21 | ab3l | but the strange thing is kernel 2.6.18 works - 2.6.21 pops this message |
| 09:03.23 | MangosDebian | ab3l: no, right now in .21. perhaps your missing sysfs support from kernel? |
| 09:03.43 | Fox_1_ | people I need to redirect all ssh connections by other gateway. how to do that by iptables? |
| 09:03.48 | ab3l | compiled 2.6.21-5 with default optioons |
| 09:03.51 | ab3l | changed nothing |
| 09:03.58 | MangosDebian | militant: i mean static/load balanced routes. "route -n" |
| 09:04.08 | w3rd | anybody installed openfire? |
| 09:04.27 | MangosDebian | militant: basically you can just say anything for <irc ip> goes out route 1, anything else default route etc |
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| 09:04.45 | militant | MangosDebian: ahh, iptables then? |
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| 09:05.08 | fanen | hi |
| 09:05.11 | fanen | i'm compiling a kernel |
| 09:05.18 | fanen | everything built fine, |
| 09:05.23 | MangosDebian | ab3l: thats avoiding the underlying question i asked though. is /sys mounted and workin in .21? i dont care if you compiled the same options or not, cause theres always room for error |
| 09:05.32 | liable | but it wont boot ? |
| 09:05.37 | fanen | but yes |
| 09:05.40 | fanen | it wot boot |
| 09:05.44 | liable | haha |
| 09:05.46 | fanen | says invalid root file sys or somethign |
| 09:05.54 | fanen | i gues it has to do with initrd |
| 09:06.03 | fanen | i scan around and find update-init* |
| 09:06.11 | MangosDebian | militant: well, iptables can mark the packets according to your TOS or whatever and then you can route based on that using routing tables. your really getting into a complex art though :) |
| 09:06.12 | fanen | but i can't use it to create an initrd img |
| 09:06.30 | fanen | liable: any tips? |
| 09:06.50 | militant | hrrrm. i have a buddy that might be able to help me with this, he likes it when i have to ask him things |
| 09:07.00 | liable | fanen: try again. you need your fs driver and your hd controller driver built in |
| 09:07.11 | fanen | ext3 |
| 09:07.12 | harpal | faben: you have grub installed |
| 09:07.19 | fanen | yes, it lists in there |
| 09:07.21 | ab3l | MangosDebian> there's no entry for /sys in fstab but mount returns sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
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| 09:07.41 | fanen | i don't know my controller driver |
| 09:07.45 | fanen | how do i find that out? |
| 09:07.46 | MangosDebian | militant: there are plenty of howtos for this out there if you feel like doing your own research |
| 09:07.51 | harpal | then you have to make new initrd image for new kernel |
| 09:08.05 | fanen | harpal: what command should i run? |
| 09:08.07 | militant | MangosDebian: i couldn't find any directly, though i just hit the first dozen google links on 2 or 3 searches |
| 09:08.10 | valdyn | ab3l: sys doesnt need an fstab entry on debian |
| 09:08.15 | valdyn | ab3l: sysfs doesnt need an fstab entry on debian |
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| 09:08.24 | militant | or, perhaps i just didn't know enough to know if they were describing what i want to do |
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| 09:08.42 | harpal | mkinitrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18 2.6.18 |
| 09:08.44 | fanen | btw, if i have a file named .config then the config options are read from it right? |
| 09:09.01 | harpal | this 2.6.18 is kernel version |
| 09:09.10 | MangosDebian | ab3l: so ls -l /sys while booted in .21 shows files? does the file in question exist? |
| 09:09.18 | harpal | you can replace this 2.6.18 with your version |
| 09:09.28 | tarzeau | have people noticed autofs die often? |
| 09:09.30 | ab3l | valdyn ok but at boot-time it says : /bin/cat: /sys/block/sdb/dev: No such file or directory ||| Waiting 1 seconds for /sys/block/sdb/dev to show up |
| 09:09.38 | fanen | hmm mkinitrd not found |
| 09:09.46 | ab3l | MangosDebian, once booted /sys/block/sdb/dev is a text fil |
| 09:09.48 | tarzeau | i'm using it for /home directories and it happens on etch amd64 as well as i386 |
| 09:09.55 | MangosDebian | militant: try google: linux multiple routes |
| 09:09.58 | ab3l | s/fil/file which says 8:16 |
| 09:10.02 | Fox_1_ | people any idea? |
| 09:10.03 | fanen | apt-gettig it now |
| 09:10.13 | valdyn | ab3l: that probably is supposed to mean that your sdb isnt found, not that sysfs is broken |
| 09:10.14 | militant | ok, i was doing 'multiple network connections' and such |
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| 09:10.27 | cope[dev] | s |
| 09:10.35 | quasisane | militant: google for 'Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO' |
| 09:10.37 | fanen | can't find mkinitrd |
| 09:10.44 | ab3l | valdyn, the strange thing is kernel 2.618 does not pops this error |
| 09:10.44 | MangosDebian | ab3l: well, least it exists. no idea what would want that info though, sorry |
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| 09:10.52 | MangosDebian | quasisane: thanks |
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| 09:11.03 | militant | ahh |
| 09:11.08 | quasisane | yw |
| 09:11.12 | valdyn | !custom kernel |
| 09:11.13 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
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| 09:11.31 | militant | i'm starting to get an idea. similar to when i had 4 nics in my old box long ago, to feed the other 3 computers in the house. |
| 09:11.34 | militant | got it |
| 09:11.36 | militant | thanks folks, naptime |
| 09:12.26 | Rapp | can someone explain to me, why kdepim 3.5.7 is not yet in testing, but the rest of kde 3.5.7 is? i see that it has not been build on some platform, but why does this block the mainstream platforms? |
| 09:12.34 | militant | i drove 12 hours each way to des moines for the iowa tax forum and rp's event after, i'm too beat to deal with this tonight |
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| 09:13.22 | harpal | faben: you have initrd-tools installed on your system |
| 09:13.24 | MangosDebian | militant: its ok, the dark arts require full attention, lest you want to hurt yourself ;) |
| 09:13.50 | harpal | faben: that contains mkinitrd |
| 09:13.56 | militant | lul. it has indeed been a while since i tried anything complicated |
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| 09:14.29 | ab3l | valdyn, i guess something's wrong with initrd |
| 09:14.34 | Klavier | is there anybody uses flash player + firefox? i need a favor |
| 09:14.43 | MangosDebian | militant: most people here are the same prolly. thats the kinda thing you setup once and just backup and forget it :) |
| 09:15.26 | militant | yep. like the old days, slack 7.1 and p3 smp, 2 dsl lines and 4 nics. didn't want to set that up twice. |
| 09:15.28 | fanen | harpal: its mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.21.5 |
| 09:15.40 | fanen | btw, the name spells with an 'n' not a 'b' |
| 09:15.44 | MangosDebian | militant: if we all remembered every command option for every daemon on a typical linux box, we would go insane, or get alzheimers :) |
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| 09:15.49 | fanen | hope its not charset issues :) |
| 09:16.24 | MangosDebian | fanen: whats wrong with update-initramfs? |
| 09:17.08 | harpal | mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18 2.6.18 |
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| 09:17.22 | harpal | this is corrected one |
| 09:17.44 | MangosDebian | harpal: mkinitrd is depreciated in favour of mkinitramfs i believe |
| 09:18.04 | MangosDebian | well, for 2.6.8+ or .11+ or something like that |
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| 09:19.41 | fanen | MangosDebian: i meant that was the correct command |
| 09:19.43 | fanen | i've run it |
| 09:19.47 | fanen | seemd to work |
| 09:19.53 | fanen | now i gotta reboot to find out.... |
| 09:20.18 | harpal | MangosDebian: no its working |
| 09:20.41 | harpal | I am running that on 2.6.8+ |
| 09:20.49 | fanen | i used mkinitramfs |
| 09:20.54 | fanen | i'm using 2.6.21.1 |
| 09:20.55 | MangosDebian | was 2.6.12+ anyways |
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| 09:21.12 | fanen | btw, |
| 09:21.23 | fanen | my network admin tool doesn't list my network devices anymore |
| 09:21.42 | MangosDebian | !comfort fanen |
| 09:21.42 | dpkg | There, there, fanen. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 09:22.05 | Gigantic | .!boo |
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| 09:22.15 | MangosDebian | !fail Gigantic |
| 09:22.23 | MangosDebian | bah |
| 09:24.10 | Gigantic | !test to MangosDebian |
| 09:24.10 | dpkg | Testing to MangosDebian... *****$$#$ |
| 09:24.19 | Gigantic | :) |
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| 09:24.54 | fanen | yeah dpkg |
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| 09:25.02 | fanen | first i must apologise, |
| 09:25.05 | fanen | i'm running debian sid |
| 09:25.11 | fanen | i guess this is an etch channel |
| 09:25.25 | fanen | dpkg: network admin tool doesn't list my network devices any more |
| 09:25.43 | fanen | : i'm guessing its dbus related, but there've been no new updates to sid for a while now |
| 09:25.47 | fanen | at least none relevant to me |
| 09:25.52 | fanen | and my predicament |
| 09:27.30 | Gigantic | this is a Debian channel, regardless of the model... but Sid should be used only if you really damn know what the hell you are doing |
| 09:27.49 | fanen | yeah, what if you 'wanna know damn well what you're doing? |
| 09:27.55 | fanen | i suppose that's how you get better |
| 09:28.03 | fanen | two years ago, i didn't know how to 'mkdir' |
| 09:28.07 | fanen | now i'm building my kernel |
| 09:28.32 | Gigantic | fanen: not with SID |
| 09:28.55 | fanen | Gigantic: ubuntu stable is not challenging |
| 09:29.00 | Gigantic | fanen: Learn with Stable. Sid is for development, NOTHING else |
| 09:29.04 | fanen | debian etch: is also 'too 'just works' for me |
| 09:29.40 | Gigantic | fanen: ubuntu? ...pfff |
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| 09:30.12 | liable | sid is perfectly fine for people with a little dpkg foo |
| 09:30.37 | liable | and no care if shit breaks horribly |
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| 09:31.52 | liable | i dont mind helping people with a little bit of a clue with sid breakage, as long as they can take a proactive role when you suggest something |
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| 09:32.12 | Raging_Hog | is there a minimal rss reader for debian? |
| 09:32.16 | cafuego | if you need a challenging OS, i suggest vista on a P3/500 |
| 09:32.25 | liable | and asking "how do i downgrade foopkg" isnt those people |
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| 09:32.55 | liable | i just wish i could get the same response |
| 09:33.16 | liable | cafuego: i would rather tongue kiss my grandpa |
| 09:34.38 | liable | hrm, thats a good way to stop conversation i guess.. |
| 09:34.58 | Gigantic | talking about challenging... I want to make double DNS check and if some IP does not match to report and/or avoid connection |
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| 09:35.38 | Gigantic | a couple of DNS IP's available in resolv.conf could be checked |
| 09:36.11 | MangosDebian | lol cafuego |
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| 09:36.32 | js_ | do i need any iptables at all if i want to use a machine as router for public ips |
| 09:36.36 | js_ | ? |
| 09:36.38 | MangosDebian | hell, i wouldnt even try sid, nor have I in a decade |
| 09:36.46 | Gigantic | js_: ! |
| 09:37.02 | valdyn | js_: nope |
| 09:37.08 | Gigantic | js_: sure! |
| 09:37.11 | Gigantic | js_: even if not as router... |
| 09:37.21 | wols_ | js_: what do you want do to? |
| 09:38.20 | js_ | wols_: with this question, understand more about routing.. in reality, protect my racked machines using a dedicated firewall box which only has one IP.. their all connected to the same switch, but i want one of the machiens to act firewall for them all |
| 09:38.54 | valdyn | !confuse js_ |
| 09:38.54 | dpkg | No, where was my hamster yesterday, js_? wellies of the dictatorship of tibet with extra cheese |
| 09:39.18 | liable | if you are wanting a machine to act as a firewall, one would imagine iptables might be intrinsic to that plan |
| 09:39.21 | wols_ | js_: so your machines beind the firewall have no public IP? |
| 09:39.28 | js_ | wols_: they do |
| 09:39.29 | js_ | all of them do |
| 09:39.38 | Gigantic | js_: weel, it is not necesary for routing itself, of course but having a computer without firewall is a madness to me, and specially if used as router |
| 09:39.39 | js_ | but i dont want to maintain separate firewalls for each machine |
| 09:40.09 | wols_ | js_: how many machines? |
| 09:40.10 | liable | !irritate me |
| 09:40.10 | dpkg | liable: HELP ME!!! who uses dvd ???/ |
| 09:40.11 | js_ | Gigantic: yes, the whole point is to have a single firewall for all machines in the end |
| 09:40.12 | MangosDebian | js_: shorewall and shorewall-lite on the others |
| 09:40.22 | js_ | wols_: 20 or so |
| 09:40.28 | wols_ | Gigantic: why does a router need a firewall? |
| 09:40.34 | wols_ | js_: hire a conslutant |
| 09:40.41 | Gigantic | js_: Then you need proxy |
| 09:40.41 | js_ | MangosDebian: yeah, i'm looking at shoerwall now.. but it seems to require two interfaces (one for inet and one for my machines) |
| 09:40.51 | valdyn | geez |
| 09:40.54 | MangosDebian | js_: nah it doesnt. |
| 09:40.57 | wols_ | js_: routers always do |
| 09:41.18 | wols_ | MangosDebian: hwy not? |
| 09:41.19 | Gigantic | wols_: not per se as I said |
| 09:41.44 | wols_ | "a computer without firewall is a madness to me and specially if used as router" |
| 09:41.49 | wols_ | Gigantic: thatis simply: BS |
| 09:42.00 | js_ | MangosDebian: alrighty, i'll read some more about it |
| 09:42.07 | MangosDebian | wols_: shorewall doesnt require 2 nics, but its recommended of course |
| 09:42.30 | valdyn | MangosDebian: bullshit |
| 09:42.38 | wols_ | routing over a isngle interface is not what I call secure |
| 09:42.45 | MangosDebian | valdyn: ? |
| 09:42.56 | valdyn | nic != interface |
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| 09:43.44 | MangosDebian | valdyn: call it what you want, nic/interface, i know you can define multiple zones over 1 interface |
| 09:43.59 | manoflinux | hi guys |
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| 09:44.32 | Gigantic | valdyn: Network Interface Card... |
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| 09:44.41 | Gigantic | so, almost = |
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| 09:44.52 | manoflinux | I have a question. I have a laptop that does not boot to usb drives. and I have debian on a usb drive. how can I boot to it inside of windows? |
| 09:45.01 | themill | Is there a particular reason why wxwidgets hasn't been updated yet (to 2.8) in Debian? Or is it just working its way through the processes... 2.8 was released 6 months ago... |
| 09:45.19 | valdyn | MangosDebian: nic implies physical hardware, a linux interface does not, thats a huge difference |
| 09:45.32 | xixor | manoflinux: probably just need to make sure USB boot devices are enabled in the bios and reboot? |
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| 09:45.34 | wols_ | themill: etch is stable. it won't get wx 2.8 |
| 09:45.35 | Gigantic | valdyn: right (almost) |
| 09:45.39 | manoflinux | when I say debian on a usb drive I mean a bootable copy on the drive not an iso. have booted it on other machines |
| 09:45.46 | wols_ | themill: and lenny/sid hasn't seen the need yet I guess |
| 09:45.56 | manoflinux | xixor this bios does not have the option. |
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| 09:46.07 | Gigantic | valdyn: I mean' there's always a NIC for every interface, but it can be virtual isn't it? |
| 09:46.33 | MangosDebian | valdyn: i dont think im following you. I understand what you mean by nic/interface fine, but how is what i said bullshit? |
| 09:46.41 | themill | wols_: I know etch won't see them (except maybe through a backport). Just working up some packaging for other things that seem to require 2.8 |
| 09:47.07 | manoflinux | can I use loadlin to do that? |
| 09:47.08 | MangosDebian | perhaps i worded something wrong, but I know my shorewall is working just fine |
| 09:47.22 | themill | wols_: wx has deb packages on their site that I'll try for the time being. |
| 09:47.30 | Orionisti | Well hello again. I need to install gtk+, glib, atk, pango and cairo among others, but I can't find them in Synaptic. Maybe I'm missing some important repositories, which ones would I need to add? |
| 09:47.42 | manoflinux | could I boot off a live cd that is setup to actually boot from the usb drive? |
| 09:48.01 | liable | all repositories are made equal |
| 09:48.05 | Gigantic | maybe |
| 09:48.46 | liable | thats the end of my phylosiphying for tonight |
| 09:49.02 | MangosDebian | manoflinux: your livecd using grub/lilo/syslinux than you can boot whatever the hell you feel like booting |
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| 09:50.50 | manoflinux | ok. thanks guys. |
| 09:51.53 | MangosDebian | manoflinux: note: some usb sticks cant be booted directly, so you would need to actually boot the kernel off the cd first and then use the rootfs from the usb stick after that |
| 09:52.01 | Gigantic | ok, I guess no one mistrust his dns servers right? |
| 09:52.33 | MangosDebian | Gigantic: i dont trust any servers, especially dns. but you have to accept it |
| 09:52.59 | MangosDebian | you ISP/police/governemnt are the real controllers of dns, so the question is, do you trust them |
| 09:53.18 | Gigantic | MangosDebian: (*whisper: that's the point) |
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| 09:53.24 | MangosDebian | unless you have dns with some sort of cryptographic signature that you personally verified in person... |
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| 09:54.30 | MangosDebian | Gigantic: best you can do is use root servers only and avoid your isp, but thats a simple workaround for them to redirect _all_ dns through them anyways. so it dont matter much. if I can do it, your ISP can definetly do it (hijack dns) |
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| 09:54.57 | Bushmills | MangosDebian: not simple for them, you can defeat that |
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| 09:54.59 | MangosDebian | the current interenet is really just sad imho |
| 09:55.12 | MangosDebian | Bushmills: no you cant unless you encrypt a tunnel out |
| 09:55.22 | Bushmills | MangosDebian: yes. a VPN for example |
| 09:55.23 | MangosDebian | or have another server outside |
| 09:55.29 | Gigantic | MangosDebian: I have some ORSN servers for example, that's why I want to make double/multiple requests |
| 09:55.34 | logd | Hi, there's a way to call bootlogd as soon as possible so that it can record ALL messages ? |
| 09:55.35 | Bushmills | MangosDebian: that is what i refer to |
| 09:55.46 | Bushmills | MangosDebian: and that is what i use, btw |
| 09:56.05 | MangosDebian | Bushmills: ya, thats about the only way, but if its in the same country or juridiction, you must assume that they same rogue dns affects them too |
| 09:56.11 | liable | logd: it gets run as soon as it can |
| 09:56.12 | Gigantic | logd: isn't it in syslog? |
| 09:56.44 | liable | you cant run shit untill init starts, before that, you miss out |
| 09:56.56 | Bushmills | MangosDebian: i run my own DNS servers, but pull from root server. from different root server networks, though. |
| 09:56.56 | MangosDebian | Bushmills: curious, ever wonder about the "blackhole" in dns? <grin> |
| 09:56.58 | logd | in my sys bootlgd only saves about 12 messages (those after it'd benn called) |
| 09:57.18 | liable | logd: what did you do to start booylogd? |
| 09:57.23 | logd | <Gigantic> syslog isn't "verbose" mean only some things 're stored at least in my sys |
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| 09:57.39 | MangosDebian | Bushmills: all the guru's know its bs, but hey, what can you do/prove right |
| 09:57.43 | logd | just set Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd |
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| 09:58.20 | liable | then there aint much you can do |
| 09:58.43 | Gigantic | well, we can build massive WOMAN |
| 09:58.55 | Bushmills | MangosDebian: not sure whether you can prove anything. at least, you can reduce the chance of working with corrupted zones |
| 09:58.58 | Gigantic | per to peer connection, at it should |
| 10:00.00 | MangosDebian | Bushmills: very true. realistically you would be best to hack bind to verify against your second network to detect "discrepencies" in zones. but the overhead would only be pratical on small net's, not some ISP with 1000's of clients |
| 10:00.47 | liable | the last thing i want is a massive WOMAN that does peer to peer |
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| 10:00.56 | MangosDebian | liable: :) |
| 10:00.58 | Bushmills | MangosDebian: not using bind :) trying to not use the server, used by most, lol. |
| 10:01.37 | MangosDebian | Bushmills: i understand, but bind in a chroot on a grsec locked down box is about as safe as you can get |
| 10:02.24 | Bushmills | actually, i intend to have bind running too. 3 different program for DNS would be ok. |
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| 10:02.51 | MangosDebian | Bushmills: statistically your just increasing the odds of being hacked though |
| 10:02.52 | Bushmills | (different servers, of course) |
| 10:02.57 | MangosDebian | ahh k then |
| 10:03.05 | MangosDebian | as DNS works now |
| 10:03.14 | Bushmills | MangosDebian: possibly, but reducing the impact per event |
| 10:03.40 | MangosDebian | true |
| 10:04.06 | Gigantic | that's why... now... where's the how? |
| 10:04.16 | MangosDebian | Bushmills: but you would need each machine completely untrusted to each other. one infected machine gets network access its all over with mac spoofing and arp takleovers |
| 10:04.19 | Bushmills | i learned to appreciate kernel dnotify extension btw. |
| 10:04.21 | Gigantic | :) |
| 10:04.40 | Bushmills | MangosDebian: they are in different locations |
| 10:04.44 | MangosDebian | dnotify? inode modify notification? |
| 10:04.48 | Bushmills | yes |
| 10:05.02 | MangosDebian | again, grsecurity ftw. |
| 10:05.10 | Bushmills | great for monitoring file system changes on strategical spots |
| 10:05.55 | MangosDebian | Bushmills: ideally, you would want the machine using readonly burned cdrom (not cdrw) with 1 minute checks on file intergrity |
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| 10:06.55 | MangosDebian | although an attack would probably not bother modifying files when it can just issue network packets via shell code anyways. so long as the bug is open you wouldnt notice unless you monitor network |
| 10:07.03 | Bushmills | reducing kernel capabilities plus chattr can go a long way too, though. i am even not paranoid enough to set the servers up like that. |
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| 10:08.07 | MangosDebian | really though, the only hackers you have to worry about are the ones that do things like build cpu's and have extremly advanced eletrical knowledge. and they would probably go van eck on you rather than use tcp |
| 10:08.29 | MangosDebian | script kiddies are a joke imho. too easy to detect |
| 10:08.44 | MangosDebian | and the good sploits never make it into their hands until long after its public and useless |
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| 10:09.08 | MangosDebian | firmware hacking is where its at these days |
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| 10:10.09 | Gigantic | MangosDebian: you can walk tangled with copper :p |
| 10:10.15 | Enverex | MangosDebian, Well, other than that DCC SEND LOLS one which no-one seems to have patched their machines for |
| 10:10.44 | MangosDebian | Enverex: and then theres ego sploits which cause people to blurt out their best attacks.... ;) |
| 10:11.08 | Enverex | ... right.... |
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| 10:12.04 | MangosDebian | Enverex: i wouldnt be too concerned with a buggy irc client unless they could execure shell code with it though |
| 10:12.10 | MangosDebian | Gigantic: ? |
| 10:12.29 | Gigantic | MangosDebian: for Van Eck... |
| 10:12.37 | Enverex | MangosDebian, afaik it reboots their rooter or something stupid |
| 10:12.38 | MangosDebian | ahh heh |
| 10:13.06 | Fox_1_ | I need to use an other gateway for ssh connections, please anyone help with this issue. |
| 10:13.09 | MangosDebian | Enverex: must be a cheap router firmware if it cant handle a typical tcp packet |
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| 10:13.34 | MangosDebian | Gigantic: i hear they have paint that helps block certain frequencies nowadays |
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| 10:13.50 | Enverex | MangosDebian, It's anything that uses a certain chipset. Can't remember which chipset but some Linksys routers are effected and I Can't remember the others |
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| 10:14.41 | MangosDebian | Enverex: im wondering is thats what someone tried the other day in unbuntu. they mentioned router issue, just wasnt sure how a irc protocol could be router related. interesting though |
| 10:14.43 | liable | Fox_1_: erm, you didnt describe an issue, you just made a vague statement |
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| 10:15.52 | Enverex | MangosDebian, Baiscally I think if someone sends a malformed DCC over 12 characters then their rooter reboots. Doesn't really make any sense. |
| 10:16.06 | Gigantic | MangosDebian: http://www.lessemf.com/index.html |
| 10:16.09 | MangosDebian | Enverex: must be related to the port the attacker sends in the payload. prolly causes issues when you open that port outgoing |
| 10:16.30 | liable | its from irc.. |
| 10:16.32 | MangosDebian | Enverex: i mean like dest port 0 or something kinda thing |
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| 10:16.56 | Gigantic | MangosDebian: indeed, there are lots of techniques, actually is pretty easy to protect compared to the effort needed to exploit it :) |
| 10:16.59 | liable | has nothing to do with a listening port |
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| 10:17.25 | AbsintheSyringe | exit |
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| 10:17.44 | liable | its an attack via irc on whatever port your client is listening to, which kills the router |
| 10:18.10 | liable | hrm, i just contradicted myself sort of |
| 10:18.21 | MangosDebian | Gigantic: a while ago i wouldnt be as concerned with van eck, but nowadays, anyone with a credit card and some education in electroonics can get the tools to play with the spectrum. especially with all those software radios out there and knowledge on azimuth and such and antennas |
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| 10:20.01 | MangosDebian | liable: the problem is the router is meant to be protocol agnostic. what port/protocol/ip dest packets use going out should not matter. unless the router has a special port open and reserved for some special control i cant see how such an attack could work |
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| 10:20.03 | Gigantic | MangosDebian: right, we must return to an stick and stone society :p |
| 10:20.42 | MangosDebian | Gigantic: believe me, ill be stick'n'stoning anyone I catch outside my block with radio equipment :) |
| 10:21.55 | Gigantic | MangosDebian: Well, but it's easy to protect against most radio too |
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| 10:22.13 | MangosDebian | liable: i would have to check the rfc on dcc protocol, but unless the attacker can specify the ip of router as the reply address and the port used for special purposes, then the attack shouldnt work |
| 10:22.32 | Bushmills | should be relatively easy to decoy against van eck. |
| 10:22.35 | liable | MangosDebian: right, it *shouldnt* |
| 10:22.45 | liable | but it does, with shit routers |
| 10:22.52 | Gigantic | MangosDebian: unless there's someone with the money to use gamma, you can be safe |
| 10:23.05 | Lemming | The debian-live usb images, do they write to the usb stick, or set up a ram drive like cds? |
| 10:23.17 | MangosDebian | liable: again, must be the return ip/port combo used, and the text that is used to send to that port |
| 10:23.43 | liable | MangosDebian: i am not sure what you are trying to tell me, because its a well known hack that most of us have seen here many times |
| 10:23.45 | MangosDebian | i would be interested in seeing a copy of the dcc for that attack if anyone can msg me with it to disect |
| 10:24.00 | Gigantic | debian-live? |
| 10:24.18 | Lemming | http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 10:24.27 | MangosDebian | liable: well, ive seen dcc's all the time, just never had them reboot my router :) didnt realise it was that big a problem til the other day |
| 10:24.59 | Gigantic | My Debian -live has always been Knoppix :) |
| 10:25.11 | Bushmills | MangosDebian: ZyXEL router, by any chance? |
| 10:25.34 | MangosDebian | Gigantic: so whats your suggestion to block the frequencies my monitor and mobo give off? |
| 10:25.48 | MangosDebian | Bushmills: no, but thanks for the model if thats it |
| 10:25.49 | Gigantic | Lemming: Well, dunno, but maybe you can use toram or something alike |
| 10:26.11 | Lemming | will look that up |
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| 10:26.42 | Gigantic | Lemming: F2 at boot up show some of the options |
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| 10:28.10 | Gigantic | MangosDebian: move to the hight forest of Africa and hire a couple of mercenaries to keep everyone away ;) |
| 10:28.28 | Lemming | to put an .img on the usb drive, can I simply do image.img > /dev/sda |
| 10:28.30 | Bushmills | MangosDebian: the relatively common Zyxel Prestige series seem to have a flaw when too many new connect attempts in too short time occur. resulting in, established connection staying on, but no new connects possible. |
| 10:29.03 | Bushmills | sounds pretty DoSsable to me |
| 10:29.15 | MangosDebian | Bushmills: ya, seeing lot of hits on syn+fin and other malformed packet issues |
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| 10:29.55 | MangosDebian | Bushmills: although I would think that the issue would be nonexistant if you setup dmz to a _real_ firewall since it should just blindly forward everything and not care about flags anymore |
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| 10:30.29 | Bushmills | MangosDebian: not using the router as router, but as modem, and handling the link by a computer, should help |
| 10:30.37 | Gigantic | MangosDebian: Carry your LapTop in a suitcase with layers of 2mm of aluminium plus DataStop |
| 10:31.00 | fanen | liable: i know how to downgrade package foo. |
| 10:31.01 | Bushmills | "transparent mode" it is called iirc |
| 10:32.30 | MangosDebian | Bushmills: i found one page that google translated, but its rough. seems to mention port 4500 or something. hard to make out |
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| 10:33.03 | MangosDebian | Gigantic: i dont have a laptop though! nor would i ever let one with built in wifi near my network |
| 10:34.11 | Gigantic | MangosDebian: Well LapTop is physically safer and the wlan can be deactivated, uninstalled, or used for uninportant crap |
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| 10:34.29 | jeremy_g | hi |
| 10:34.48 | Gigantic | MangosDebian: or you can buy a gigantic hard bx to keep the computer inside ;p |
| 10:34.55 | jeremy_g | what is dpkg equivalent of rpm -qf /path/to/file |
| 10:35.13 | jeremy_g | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/include/sys/types.h', needed by `localtime.o'. Stop. |
| 10:35.16 | MangosDebian | Bushmills: seems to be he mentions how in mirc you set your ip, he suggests that you set it to a 192.168. ip and send the troublesome dcc, which the client would try connect to. but that could be old. interesting though |
| 10:35.25 | jeremy_g | which package provides this /sys/types.h |
| 10:36.01 | Gigantic | jeremy_g: man, man.... man! |
| 10:36.22 | sn- | jeremy_g there are many, please see http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=types.h&searchmode=searchfilesanddirs&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386&page=1&number=all |
| 10:36.27 | valdyn | jeremy_g: /msg dpkg search |
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| 10:40.29 | themill | jeremy_g: the package apt-file is your friend. aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search sys/types.h |
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| 10:45.45 | Lemming | how do I get an img file on to the flash drive? |
| 10:46.03 | Lemming | cp image /dev/sda? |
| 10:46.14 | Gigantic | dd ? |
| 10:46.20 | Lemming | thanks |
| 10:46.20 | Gigantic | or partimage |
| 10:46.26 | Gigantic | second best |
| 10:48.27 | liable | !ping |
| 10:48.27 | dpkg | pong |
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| 10:50.14 | Lemming | Gigantic: "dd if=image of=/dev/sda" ? |
| 10:50.48 | Gigantic | Lemming: dd if=/dev/sda of=/home/user/myfile |
| 10:50.53 | Gigantic | Lemming: but... |
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| 10:51.12 | Lemming | I want to get the image on the drive |
| 10:51.14 | Lemming | not drive to image |
| 10:51.14 | themill | Gigantic: other way around "on to the flash drive" |
| 10:51.25 | Fox_1_ | in our company we have two internet lines. each has server. by default we use line1. now in my local machine (linux debian 4.0) I want to use second line (line2) for ssh connections. is it clear? |
| 10:51.30 | Gigantic | Lemming: dd will create a dumb copy, ie: an sda of 2GB will make a 2GB image |
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| 10:52.19 | Gigantic | Lemming: it also copy the empty space. Partimage skip empty space and also compress the data |
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| 10:52.37 | Lemming | Can I simply just use the debian installer to get debian on an usb mem? |
| 10:52.42 | Gigantic | Lemming: apt-get install partimage |
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| 10:53.10 | Gigantic | Lemming: Yes |
| 10:53.28 | Lemming | ah, then that's my solution :P |
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| 10:54.52 | Gigantic | oh, I just realize you wanted 1+2 not 2+1 :) |
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| 10:56.32 | Lemming | debian-installer should have "swe"->Sweden |
| 10:56.32 | fanen | back now |
| 10:56.36 | Lemming | and not swe->e* |
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| 10:56.45 | fanen | can someone explain why everyone discourages people from using debian sid? |
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| 10:57.02 | fanen | i mean, is it a bad thing to want a challenge? |
| 10:57.41 | fanen | then you need help and you ask for help, and people are saying you shouldn't be trying to use sid... |
| 10:57.43 | fanen | blah blah |
| 10:57.56 | fanen | how did the people who use sid get so good? |
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| 10:58.56 | Gigantic | fanen: They start with stable :) |
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| 10:59.04 | fanen | i used sarge |
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| 10:59.12 | fanen | then i used etch while it was testing |
| 10:59.15 | fanen | an now i'm using sid |
| 10:59.21 | sn- | fanen sid isn't supported really i guess, so need to cater for yourself if using it (i am) |
| 10:59.32 | fanen | i do as much as i can |
| 10:59.33 | cydork | fanen: well it's unstable. things change quite often. Most of the time it's not possible to support sid. |
| 10:59.37 | fanen | no one set up my wireless etc for me |
| 10:59.42 | Gigantic | fanen: The thing is that to be good you don't have to use the most unstable version, actually it just make it more dificult |
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| 11:00.02 | Gigantic | fanen: Sid is just the sand box |
| 11:00.10 | fanen | thing is , because of sid, i now know how to use module-assistant |
| 11:00.20 | cydork | fanen: huh? |
| 11:00.31 | fanen | yes, if i was using sarge |
| 11:00.38 | fanen | ipw drivers woulda been apt-get away |
| 11:00.51 | fanen | with sid, i was forced to compilethe modules and |
| 11:00.59 | fanen | edit necessary files |
| 11:01.08 | Gigantic | then try LFS |
| 11:01.18 | fanen | been thinking of that too. |
| 11:01.25 | fanen | just don't have a spare pc to play around with. |
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| 11:02.01 | Gigantic | fanen: use chroot :) |
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| 11:02.09 | Gigantic | fanen: or any VM |
| 11:02.09 | fanen | nice |
| 11:02.18 | fanen | qemu don't work so nice |
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| 11:02.28 | fanen | should upgrade my ram then i guess. |
| 11:02.34 | Gigantic | fanen: Run an stable version and learn with a VM |
| 11:02.40 | fanen | btw, i'll have to investigate the chroot thing |
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| 11:02.47 | fanen | another reason i'm running sid is this: |
| 11:02.52 | fanen | i'm using an hp nx9420 |
| 11:02.57 | fanen | ubuntu fiesty doesn't work on it |
| 11:03.05 | fanen | debian etch works, with a lot of things not workign properly |
| 11:03.17 | fanen | like battery status, |
| 11:03.22 | fanen | dri |
| 11:03.47 | fanen | sid solves all these problems |
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| 11:04.46 | minerale | ook , how would I do sudo cat zyx >> etc/config.conf |
| 11:04.53 | minerale | ie the sudo does not carry past the pipe |
| 11:04.57 | minerale | there was a way around it, using tea or a command that sounded like tea |
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| 11:05.47 | Coweater | minerale: tee, dunno if that's the way though |
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| 11:06.05 | sinizzl | hi tehre |
| 11:06.13 | capiira | hmmm still no newer desktop versions in testing :/ |
| 11:06.16 | Gigantic | minerale: tee |
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| 11:06.31 | Gigantic | *late |
| 11:06.49 | Gigantic | *stupid lagging... |
| 11:06.50 | sinizzl | i configured my eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces to have the adress 192.168.0.1 (with subnetmask 255.255.255.0) <- a very basic setup, as we all know it from our childhoods. the thing is that when i boot the computer the settings are *not* adapted <- it just doesn't have an ip or anything else. |
| 11:07.33 | GutterPunk | Hi. I'm looking for the module "libapache2-mod-auth-mysql" but I can't find it in main contrib non-free. I'm trying to make an htaccess file get user information from a database. How should I do this? |
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| 11:07.42 | valdyn | sinizzl: 'ifup eth1' |
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| 11:07.56 | sinizzl_ | i configured my eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces to have the adress 192.168.0.1 (with subnetmask 255.255.255.0) <- a very basic setup, as we all know it from our childhoods. the thing is that when i boot the computer the settings are *not* adapted <- it just doesn't have an ip or anything else. <- sorry to post the question again |
| 11:08.08 | valdyn | sinizzl: or add an 'auto eth1' or just 'eth1' to the auto line you should already have |
| 11:08.16 | sinizzl_ | valdyn: what auto line ? |
| 11:08.27 | valdyn | sinizzl_: the one starthing with 'auto' |
| 11:08.41 | themill | GutterPunk: libapache2-mod-auth-mysql isn't in etch. |
| 11:09.31 | sinizzl_ | valdyn: thx a lot, gonna check this out right now, if u aint hearin anything more from me means either my computer broke or im fine :D |
| 11:09.47 | themill | GutterPunk: it's only in etch and sid |
| 11:09.57 | themill | GutterPunk: sorry it's only in lenny and sid |
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| 11:14.18 | sinizzl | valdyn: thx for helping, ur advice did the trick ^_^ :D |
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| 11:15.02 | valdyn | sinizzl: welcome |
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| 11:15.48 | sinizzl | i still got a couple of questions though for anybody who might be able to help me with 'em.... does anyone know if the kernel module crashes the system when using iptables ??? "p4-clockmod" (it's used to let the computer 'downclock' the pentium 4 processor. i don't need 2.66GHz for a fileserver, more like a quarter of it or so) |
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| 11:15.48 | Anoninon | Is Etch not stable ? |
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| 11:16.02 | sinizzl | Anoninon: i guess it's supposed to be |
| 11:16.11 | MangosDebian | Anoninon: /topic |
| 11:16.14 | sinizzl | omg, my english sucks, gotta rephrase that question |
| 11:16.20 | Anoninon | sinizzl: that was my assumption also. |
| 11:16.31 | valdyn | sinizzl: that modules sounds like something not in mainline kernels? |
| 11:16.36 | sinizzl | does the pentium 4 clock modulation module crash a system? |
| 11:16.38 | Anoninon | I know Debian says Etch is stable, but I'm asking it's users if it is. |
| 11:16.42 | sinizzl | valdyn: indeed it is. |
| 11:16.59 | sinizzl | i use the standard kernel taht came along with etch |
| 11:17.03 | Anoninon | I'm having a hell of a time with Etch, very surprised in a bad way. |
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| 11:17.16 | sinizzl | it's not loaded automatically at boot time though, i had to add it in /etc/modules |
| 11:17.16 | MangosDebian | Gigantic: good eating tonight! |
| 11:17.40 | valdyn | sinizzl: that's ok, cpufreq drivers aren't loaded automagically |
| 11:17.51 | valdyn | sinizzl: why do you think its that module that is causing the crash? |
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| 11:18.07 | valdyn | !find p4-clockmod.ko |
| 11:18.13 | themill | Anoninon: in what way? |
| 11:18.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'p4-clockmod.ko' (3 of 6): (/lib/modules/2.6.21-2-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/p4-clockmod.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.21-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.21-2-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/p4-clockmod.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.21-2-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.21-2-486/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/p4-clockmod.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.21-2-486. |
| 11:18.25 | Anoninon | After installation trying to "shut down" froze gnome. Upon running serveral applications for the first time they froze and crashed. My audio decides to work when it wants. |
| 11:18.28 | sinizzl | the thing is, i used to have a different motherboard for my "server" which allowed me to downscale cpu freq. from 2.66ghz to 2ghz in the bios. using p4-clockmod seemed to crash the machine though. my new board (same cpu) doesn't allow me to scale cpu in the bios so i need to have this p4-clockmod workign reliably (or pay hell of an electricity bill) |
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| 11:18.42 | Anoninon | themill: and the installation (on two computers) crashed multiple times ! |
| 11:18.42 | valdyn | Anoninon: hardware issues? |
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| 11:18.49 | szymon_g | hi |
| 11:18.52 | sinizzl | valdyn: because the machine *crashed* when this module was loaded |
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| 11:19.03 | Anoninon | The important note is, with no other distro have I had such issues (even debian based distros) |
| 11:19.04 | valdyn | Anoninon: keep in mind though, 'stable' means 'not changing'. Bugfree software does not exist. |
| 11:19.08 | sinizzl | that motherboard had some other issues too though so it might be *coincidence* |
| 11:19.17 | GutterPunk | themill, alright thanks! I'll add those sources |
| 11:19.22 | szymon_g | i've got question: how big should be my swap if i wanna tu use uswsusp? i've got 2gram |
| 11:19.23 | Anoninon | valdyn: I understand. I use many distros and these `issues` have been a surprise to me. |
| 11:19.32 | sinizzl | that's why i decided to buy an (overpriced) intel motherboard with integrated graphics and 4 SATA ports |
| 11:19.54 | themill | GutterPunk: no worries -- it's a bit of a dog to use though. Not as flexible as one might like |
| 11:19.58 | valdyn | szymon_g: for what? |
| 11:20.03 | szymon_g | desktop |
| 11:20.10 | valdyn | szymon_g: ops, sorry |
| 11:20.13 | themill | Anoninon: that sounds pretty weird |
| 11:20.35 | GutterPunk | themill, I just gotta install it :) other peops will be using it |
| 11:20.51 | valdyn | szymon_g: swap size = ram size is fine, normally |
| 11:21.05 | sinizzl | ok, now i got probably the most stupid questions of em all: i have this nice /services/iptables.sh skript. how can i let it be loaded at boot time? |
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| 11:21.35 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 11:21.35 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot |
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| 11:21.38 | valdyn | szymon_g: you can double it if you want to be very safe, i dont remember if uswsusp supports compressing the image |
| 11:21.49 | szymon_g | valdyn : it supports |
| 11:21.57 | szymon_g | it supports compression of image |
| 11:22.00 | valdyn | szymon_g: use compression, make swap=ram |
| 11:22.07 | valdyn | szymon_g: compression is faster too.. |
| 11:22.15 | joey[] | why I get error locating Net/SNMP.pm if I install it with apt-get install libsnmp-perl? |
| 11:22.37 | szymon_g | ok, thanks, an see ya all |
| 11:22.52 | valdyn | szymon_g: particularily on a desktop i assume you WONT use much swap at all |
| 11:23.22 | Gigantic | joey[]: updatedb need to be run by nobody and nobody need access to those directories |
| 11:23.29 | valdyn | sinizzl: on which debian release? |
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| 11:23.51 | sinizzl | valdyn: etch |
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| 11:24.03 | valdyn | !rc.local |
| 11:24.03 | dpkg | i guess rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.lcoal). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s |
| 11:24.33 | sinizzl | thx |
| 11:24.36 | valdyn | !!info initscripts etch |
| 11:24.41 | valdyn | !info initscripts etch |
| 11:24.44 | dpkg | initscripts: (Scripts for initializing and shutting down the system), section admin, is required. Version: 2.86.ds1-38 (etch), Packaged size: 57 kB, Installed size: 376 kB |
| 11:24.55 | valdyn | sinizzl: guess rc.local is ok for this |
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| 11:25.13 | sinizzl | valdyn: guess so too, thx very much |
| 11:25.19 | valdyn | sinizzl: not 100% perfect, not 100% safe, but its an iptables.sh, so cant expect that |
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| 11:25.42 | sinizzl | i guess it is also suitable to run a cpufreq-set command at boot ? |
| 11:25.51 | joey[] | Gigantic: I tried running updatedb, but doesnt help :( |
| 11:25.59 | valdyn | sinizzl: yes, but use the package called 'cpufrequtils' |
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| 11:26.06 | sinizzl | i installed it already |
| 11:26.11 | abrotman | !find SNMP.pm etch |
| 11:26.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'SNMP.pm' (4): (/usr/lib/perl5/SNMP.pm) in perl/libsnmp-perl ;; (/usr/share/perl5/Mon/SNMP.pm) in perl/libmon-perl ;; (/usr/share/perl5/Net/SNMP.pm) in perl/libnet-snmp-perl ;; (/usr/share/perl5/Torrus/Collector/SNMP.pm) in net/torrus-common. |
| 11:26.18 | sinizzl | but the init script uses some weird frequency by default |
| 11:26.20 | valdyn | sinizzl: then edit /etc/default/cpufrequtils |
| 11:26.23 | sinizzl | ah |
| 11:26.25 | sinizzl | hmm... nicce :D |
| 11:26.34 | valdyn | sinizzl: and keep your p4-clockmod in /etc/modules |
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| 11:26.47 | abrotman | joey[]: seems to be in libnet-snmp-perl |
| 11:27.10 | valdyn | sinizzl: use debian stuff where possible .. i would advise against creating iptables.sh, but since uyou already have it.. its not to bad |
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| 11:27.28 | abrotman | joey[]: you could use apt-file to find items like that |
| 11:27.28 | sinizzl | valdyn: what would you recommmend then instead? |
| 11:27.40 | joey[] | thank you, it's working with libnet-snmp-perl |
| 11:27.48 | valdyn | sinizzl: shorewall-lite or ipmasq, or one of the other firewall frameworks i know nothing about |
| 11:27.49 | joey[] | abrotman: yes? sorry, how? |
| 11:28.00 | sinizzl | hmm... tehere are actuallyf rameworks? how nice :D |
| 11:28.29 | sinizzl | no, i find iptables rather comfortable.. once u got it it's really nice to set up port forwarding, routing among 4 eths etc. |
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| 11:29.21 | abrotman | joey[]: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search Net/SNMP.pm |
| 11:29.58 | joey[] | thx |
| 11:30.05 | sinizzl | well... i guess i'll be going now... thx very much for all the information u guys provided me, esspecially valdyn |
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| 11:34.34 | peter_ | hi |
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| 11:45.13 | Lemming | When debian-installer asks for installing GRUB, is that always to the drive that you installed to? |
| 11:45.29 | Lemming | eg. usb mem, or is it to the first physical hard drive? |
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| 11:51.33 | valdyn | Lemming: not physical, that does not matter, the boot device probably, that is whatever device your bios made 'first' |
| 11:52.09 | Lemming | So though I installed to the usb memory, it'll install to the hdd already in there? |
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| 11:52.59 | AbsintheSyringe | if my GUI is on ctrl + alt + f1 and I wanna switch to ctrl + alt + f2 to console for some reason, once I want to go back up in my GUI on ctrl + alt + f1 I'll press ctrl + alt + f7 but that one doesnt put me back up to my gui ... all I see is basically my kdm wallpaper and a mouse cursor ... bug or it's me? |
| 11:53.02 | Lemming | the usb mem is /dev/sda btw. |
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| 11:53.48 | valdyn | AbsintheSyringe: uh? if your 'GUI' is on ctrl-alt-f1, what does ctrl-alt-f7 have to do with it? typo? |
| 11:54.43 | AbsintheSyringe | valdyn, when I press ctrl + alt + f1 I'll still stay in console, seeing code of my GUI, if I want to see my GUI (no code) I'll press ctrl + alt + f7 ... right? |
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| 11:55.14 | valdyn | AbsintheSyringe: your gui could be on any fx, i dont know where yours is, its commonly f7 |
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| 11:55.42 | AbsintheSyringe | valdyn, I know, why doesnt it boot it back up then ... |
| 11:56.07 | Lemming | valdyn: The device my bios made 'first', is that the device already booting before I installed debian? |
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| 11:56.44 | harpal | any one used pptpd for vpn |
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| 11:56.47 | valdyn | Lemming: yea |
| 11:56.58 | valdyn | Lemming: doesnt d-i offer you a choice as to where to install grub? |
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| 11:57.09 | Lemming | possibly, if I choose no |
| 11:57.18 | Lemming | "Install GRUB to MBR" |
| 11:57.37 | pocukrani | i have problem with usb disk |
| 11:57.45 | pocukrani | when i try something to copy on disk then i get this error: hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000 |
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| 11:58.05 | valdyn | Lemming: that ought to be driver C:, C: is determined by your bios settings |
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| 11:58.29 | valdyn | Lemming: but grub could be installed anywhere so.. you should see a choice at some point |
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| 11:59.01 | Lemming | yep, selecting no got me an option to choose |
| 11:59.05 | Lemming | so I put in /dev/sda |
| 11:59.43 | Lemming | wee, didn't fail :D |
| 11:59.47 | Enverex | I love how people keep joining the Wine channel asking how they "run" .bin files they downloaded through bittorrent |
| 12:00.03 | valdyn | geez |
| 12:00.05 | mypapit | hehe |
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| 12:00.22 | Lemming | bin files? o.o |
| 12:00.32 | Lemming | aren't those images? |
| 12:01.08 | valdyn | Lemming: if its pirate software, most probably |
| 12:01.31 | valdyn | Lemming: its its movies, then its that, and an mpeg too |
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| 12:01.44 | Lemming | ok |
| 12:02.11 | Lemming | right, this won't boot on the laptop |
| 12:02.15 | Lemming | will check if it boots here |
| 12:02.16 | Lemming | brb |
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| 12:03.59 | Haris | Hello folks |
| 12:04.45 | Haris | I read the find man page. What I found were switches for last accessed time for file. Is there a switch that is for when it was created. I'm writing a small shell script to find files older than 7 days within 1 folder and delete them |
| 12:05.23 | valdyn | Haris: atime -> ctime |
| 12:05.26 | AbsintheSyringe | valdyn, I dont know why but ctrl + alt + f8 worked out for me instead of ctrl + alt + f7 |
| 12:05.57 | valdyn | Haris: or mtime, ops |
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| 12:06.20 | valdyn | Haris: there's no such thing |
| 12:06.36 | abrotman | Haris: stat ? |
| 12:07.23 | abrotman | oh .. that doesn't have a created either |
| 12:07.39 | valdyn | Haris: maybe ctime or mtime is good enough for you though |
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| 12:08.00 | Lemming | usb won't boot :/ |
| 12:08.15 | Haris | There are three times. Access, Modify, Change |
| 12:08.15 | Lemming | but there's even a grub folder on the memory |
| 12:08.19 | valdyn | Lemming: that's a bios thing |
| 12:08.29 | valdyn | Lemming: or at which state is it getting stuck? |
| 12:08.30 | Haris | which should I use to check a file ot know its older than 7 days |
| 12:08.44 | Lemming | I've tried on two computers with removable device/usb fdd as first device |
| 12:08.52 | valdyn | Haris: that creation time of a file is not stored, it would be misleading anyway |
| 12:09.27 | Haris | valdyn: A file could have been changed/access/modified at anytime. How can I then make sure I find files that are older than 7 days |
| 12:09.59 | valdyn | Haris: you cant do that just with what a filesystem provides |
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| 12:10.25 | Lemming | valdyn: Any pointers? |
| 12:10.43 | valdyn | Lemming: i dont really know your error |
| 12:10.59 | valdyn | Lemming: what's happening when usb is the only choice to boot from ? |
| 12:11.07 | Lemming | will check that |
| 12:12.31 | Lemming | can only set priorities on laptop bios, need to reboot |
| 12:12.33 | Lemming | brb =) |
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| 12:12.42 | faik | When a user installs a package from a stable repository, and than that package is removed from debian repositories (will not be maintained for some reason)... does dpkg do something to remove that package |
| 12:12.58 | valdyn | faik: no |
| 12:13.10 | faik | there may be security related issues with that package for instance |
| 12:13.11 | valdyn | faik: that rarely happens btw |
| 12:13.15 | jeremy_g | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/include/sys/types.h', needed by `localtime.o'. Stop. <-- this file resides in glibc-2.5-r3 |
| 12:13.32 | jeremy_g | so should i do apt-get install glibc-2.5-r3 |
| 12:13.43 | valdyn | faik: packages dont just get removed like that |
| 12:13.54 | valdyn | faik: ( from stable ) |
| 12:13.59 | jeremy_g | my distro has got only libc6 and no glib. is that weird |
| 12:14.12 | faik | valdyn: ok, thanks |
| 12:14.41 | valdyn | faik: it happens sometimes, and only at times when a new release happens, like 4.0r0 ( current) -> 4.0.r1 ( does not exist yet ) |
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| 12:16.18 | valdyn | faik: there need to be very serious issues for a package to be removed from stable |
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| 12:17.40 | valdyn | faik: like license issues or serious brokenness ( you wouldnt even use it if it was that broken.. ) |
| 12:17.50 | faik | valdyn: hmm, so very very rarelly... but when it happens those packages left on the system and later problems of that package are ignored... |
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| 12:18.43 | valdyn | faik: by the package tools, mostly, you're expected to read errata though and release notes |
| 12:19.33 | onur | Hi. I am trying to build nvidia module. It's say: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'pa... |
| 12:19.48 | valdyn | onur: google for a fix, or use a kernel < 2.6.21 |
| 12:20.41 | valdyn | onur: its supposedly fixed with 2.6.22 too, but that's not release yet |
| 12:20.57 | onur | i see. Thanks valdyn |
| 12:20.59 | faik | valdyn: thanks :) errata and release notes are fine with me |
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| 12:22.18 | valdyn | jeremy_g: you're confused: there's a glibc, which just denotes that its the Gnu c library, it implements libc6, glib is something else |
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| 12:29.21 | erore | I have been wondering, I prefer router based on iptables, I use old computers to do it, but I am curious, is there a hardware solution? I mean the hardware routers that they sell are based on the producer's system usually not iptables or if so it is not the same as if I put linux onto a classic pc... |
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| 12:29.57 | valdyn | erore: umm |
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| 12:30.51 | valdyn | erore: there's a ton of embedded routers, being either based on linux or whatever OS or for carriers real hardware routers |
| 12:31.06 | erore | give me a sample I looked at |
| 12:31.16 | erore | 3com or cisco but they don |
| 12:31.35 | valdyn | erore: for what exactly? |
| 12:31.40 | erore | (sorry my hands are a bit shaky today :( ) |
| 12:31.46 | abrotman | less coffee |
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| 12:32.38 | MangosDebian | abrotman: bah, after so many coffee, the effect reverses |
| 12:32.40 | erore | basicly a router for about 6 networks based on iptables |
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| 12:32.53 | abrotman | erore: cisco certainly has hardware routers |
| 12:33.58 | Kaiten4 | How do I tell which version of gcc a prebuilt kernel was built with? Thank you. |
| 12:33.58 | abrotman | is the kernel running ? |
| 12:33.58 | Kaiten4 | yes |
| 12:33.58 | abrotman | cat /proc/version |
| 12:33.58 | themill | jeremy_g: should just need libc6-dev |
| 12:34.02 | erore | abrotman: they do have but not iptables based as far as I know or they are mixed routers/switches with... |
| 12:34.10 | Kaiten4 | Thank you |
| 12:34.16 | abrotman | erore: so you want an iptables-based hardware router ? |
| 12:34.23 | erore | yes |
| 12:34.31 | abrotman | ask #iptables |
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| 12:34.53 | abrotman | you oculd get one of those cheap linksys things and run openwrt on it |
| 12:34.55 | valdyn | erore: use google |
| 12:35.02 | valdyn | erore: http://www.citylink.co.nz/services/hardware/router.html |
| 12:35.50 | Kaiten4 | It was built with 4.1.2, gcc-4.1 will take care of this, no? |
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| 12:36.39 | xand | erore: hardware-based and iptables are kinda mutually exclusive |
| 12:44.56 | vorpal | erore: the distinction of a "hardware-based" router is a bit vague. even cisco routers run an operating system with a certain amount of their functionality implemented in software |
| 12:44.56 | valdyn | Kaiten4: wild combinations or kernel parts compiled with variosu differnt gcc versions 'just work'. For your own safety you should use the same |
| 12:44.56 | xand | erore: I recommend a soekris net4801 |
| 12:44.56 | Kaiten4 | valdyn: I'm trying to compile a VMware module, and I am getting segfaults |
| 12:44.56 | erore | xand: what I meant was a box looking like a switch working as a router with linux :) |
| 12:44.56 | vorpal | erore: certainly they probably have ASICs to do some stuff... |
| 12:44.56 | valdyn | Kaiten4: when its doing insmod? |
| 12:44.56 | valdyn | Kaiten4: how is that the compilers fault? |
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| 12:44.56 | Kaiten4 | valdyn: indeed |
| 12:44.56 | xand | erore: see recommendation, though not the cheapest |
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| 12:44.58 | vorpal | erore: if you are just looking for a compact, diskless, and power-efficient device on which you can run a linux-based router, you could probably cobble something together |
| 12:44.58 | Kaiten4 | valdyn: I don't know. The script said that the segfault may be due to a slight difference in my compiler version and the one the running kernel was built with. |
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| 12:44.58 | valdyn | Kaiten4: insmod currently segfaults when there's no / in the comand |
| 12:44.58 | valdyn | Kaiten4: 'insmod file' will segfault, 'insmod ./file' wont |
| 12:44.58 | Kaiten4 | valdyn: are you saying I should edit the script? |
| 12:44.58 | valdyn | Kaiten4: yea |
| 12:44.58 | abrotman | it's because vmware sucks :) |
| 12:44.58 | Kaiten4 | valdyn: I don't know perl. I'll check to see if anyones done it before |
| 12:45.00 | MangosDebian | abrotman: bite your tongue! |
| 12:45.00 | abrotman | i'm not sure how this hasn't made it into their FAQ yet |
| 12:45.00 | xand | http://www.soekris.com/net4801.htm |
| 12:45.00 | valdyn | its because that insmod version is broken |
| 12:45.00 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: yeah, most things do suck |
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| 12:45.00 | valdyn | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425458 |
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| 12:45.02 | Lemming | valdyn: Got a little progress :) |
| 12:45.02 | Lemming | It boots grub, but grub doesn't load debian |
| 12:45.02 | monteiro | anyone has a lacie external hard drive working in debian? |
| 12:45.02 | Lemming | possibly because debian isn't at hd1,0 or /dev/sda1 |
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| 12:45.02 | Lemming | at that system |
| 12:45.02 | valdyn | Lemming: it is sda1, its not hd1,0 |
| 12:45.03 | valdyn | Lemming: you can edit that in grub |
| 12:45.04 | Lemming | menu.lst? |
| 12:45.04 | valdyn | Lemming: hit E in the grub menu.. |
| 12:45.04 | Lemming | gotta get an irc client on the laptop so I can do these things simultaneously |
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| 12:46.42 | Lemming2 | There, now I can reboot and do the grub thing |
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| 12:47.22 | Kaiten4 | here is a line in the script, how would I tell it to at a ./? |
| 12:47.24 | Kaiten4 | /sbin/insmod -s -f "/lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc/$1.o" || exit 1 |
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| 12:49.41 | Lemming2 | valdyn: Error 23: Error while parsing number |
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| 12:50.00 | Lemming2 | root (sda1,0) |
| 12:50.42 | valdyn | Lemming2: wth, thats (0,0), not (sda1,0) |
| 12:50.48 | Lemming2 | ah, thanks |
| 12:51.00 | Lemming2 | root (0,0)? |
| 12:51.19 | Lemming2 | or sda0,0 |
| 12:51.42 | valdyn | Lemming2: sda is a linuxism, grub does know nothing about it |
| 12:51.51 | valdyn | Lemming2: root (0,0) |
| 12:52.03 | valdyn | err |
| 12:52.14 | Lemming2 | Error 11: Unrecognized device string |
| 12:52.22 | valdyn | Lemming2: (hd0,0) |
| 12:52.42 | Lemming2 | seems it may be working :D |
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| 12:54.52 | N05F3RA1U | hello |
| 12:55.13 | N05F3RA1U | I've got a problem with a package called pam_usb could anyone help me ? |
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| 12:56.42 | xand | N05F3RA1U: just ask |
| 12:57.57 | N05F3RA1U | I've installed the package pamusb and the pam usb tools |
| 12:58.07 | N05F3RA1U | all has been done well |
| 12:58.22 | N05F3RA1U | but when i've tried to add a device to pamusb |
| 12:58.29 | N05F3RA1U | it says always no device found |
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| 12:58.43 | valdyn | N05F3RA1U: there's no such package |
| 12:58.45 | Kaiten4 | Fuck it. Where can I get a working version of insmod? |
| 12:58.50 | N05F3RA1U | maybe it's hal or dbus which works bad |
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| 12:58.57 | N05F3RA1U | there is a package |
| 12:59.02 | N05F3RA1U | in testing and unstable |
| 12:59.16 | Lemming2 | valdyn: I'm in! :D |
| 12:59.23 | Lemming2 | Thank you <3 |
| 12:59.25 | N05F3RA1U | apt-get install libpam-usb pamusb-tools |
| 12:59.38 | N05F3RA1U | that's what i've done |
| 12:59.41 | BillyCrook_ | is there a command I could feed a username and password, and it tell me if its valid or not? I'm writing a script that needs to validate credentials |
| 13:00.07 | Lemming2 | valdyn: Have one problem though, whether it's on /dev/sda1 or /dev/sdb1 will vary depending on the system where I boot it |
| 13:00.17 | Lemming2 | this time I had to set kernel arg to sdb |
| 13:01.15 | Kaiten4 | *Install insmod from stable* |
| 13:01.52 | valdyn | Lemming2: you can use /dev/disk/by-id/<whatever> I think |
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| 13:02.53 | N05F3RA1U | any idea why this package doesn't works ? |
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| 13:04.12 | Lemming2 | valdyn: Seems to work, thanks yet again =) |
| 13:05.07 | Lemming2 | valdyn: Also, will it *always* be hd0,0? |
| 13:06.08 | valdyn | Lemming2: yes |
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| 13:06.41 | Kaiten4 | great insmod is broken in stable too |
| 13:06.44 | Lemming2 | So hd0 is always the boot device? |
| 13:06.45 | valdyn | Lemming2: grub uses the bios order, linux uses whatever order determined by which controllers it finds in which order |
| 13:06.49 | Kaiten4 | what the hell is wrong with debian?? |
| 13:07.13 | Kaiten4 | I mean, I've used it for years as my exclusive OS |
| 13:07.20 | Kaiten4 | but what the hell |
| 13:07.24 | valdyn | Kaiten4: why dont you read the bts? |
| 13:07.29 | valdyn | Kaiten4: stop whining |
| 13:07.36 | Lemming2 | valdyn: so if I have my regular hd as second in bios, it's *always* hd1 |
| 13:07.38 | tralala | Kaiten4, use modprobe |
| 13:07.46 | valdyn | Lemming2: yes |
| 13:08.16 | Lemming2 | what if usb's second boot device, but first doesn't boot, then I just edit the script with E? |
| 13:08.26 | Lemming2 | or can that be accounted for? |
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| 13:08.55 | valdyn | Lemming2: i think bios will make that 2nd first if first didnt boot |
| 13:09.03 | Lemming2 | oki |
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| 13:10.20 | jeremy_g | where do i get these for debian? its an output from ldd |
| 13:10.21 | jeremy_g | libssl.so.0.9.8 => /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.8 (0xb7e0a000) |
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| 13:10.36 | tralala | jeremiahzg[afk], /msg dpkg paste |
| 13:10.39 | tralala | meh |
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| 13:11.20 | jeremy_g | how do i install libssl over debian? i mean apt-get libssl wont work |
| 13:11.29 | jeremy_g | neither does openssl |
| 13:11.41 | tralala | jeremy_g, /msg dpkg search |
| 13:13.12 | themill | jeremy_g: once again... apt-file search |
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| 13:14.42 | jeremy_g | themill:doesnt have apt-file and apt-get install libssl... as suggested by the bot doesnt work as well |
| 13:14.54 | Arafangion | If I want a package that shows spectrograph and frequency analysis of my music (mp3's), what options do I have? |
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| 13:15.20 | themill | jeremy_g: what do you mean "doesnt have apt-file" |
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| 13:15.46 | jeremy_g | when i type apt- and tab it doesnt autocomplete to file rather auto-ftp sth.. |
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| 13:16.08 | themill | jeremy_g: aptitude install apt-file |
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| 13:16.41 | alt_nick | or just use apt-cache search |
| 13:16.50 | jeremy_g | no such thing as aptitude |
| 13:17.00 | themill | jeremy_g: apt-get install apt-file aptitude |
| 13:17.04 | jeremy_g | :) |
| 13:17.12 | nn_ | Arafangion: xmms-blursk |
| 13:17.27 | themill | alt_nick: that won't tell you what package owns what file though... unless there's some other incantation that I don't know |
| 13:17.48 | jeremy_g | dependency broke |
| 13:17.48 | Arafangion | nn_: Does it give frequency information? |
| 13:18.04 | themill | jeremy_g: ??? what have you been doing to your box? |
| 13:18.20 | alt_nick | themill: No, but it'll find him libssl : |
| 13:18.28 | nn_ | Arafangion: it can generate fourier spectrums, but it doesn't provide you with any kind of numeric information |
| 13:18.41 | jeremy_g | themill:its a live knoppix CD to whose read-write cloop image i have chrooted into |
| 13:18.42 | samesame | does anybody fancy fiddling with my box? |
| 13:18.43 | Arafangion | nn_: I want numeric and fourier :( |
| 13:18.54 | themill | alt_nick: fair call |
| 13:18.56 | nn_ | Arafangion: me too :) |
| 13:19.06 | jeremy_g | and i just need libssl in it |
| 13:19.21 | themill | jeremy_g: knoppix != debian.... there's only so much we can do |
| 13:19.36 | jeremy_g | themill:it is based on debian |
| 13:19.56 | samesame | my brain is based on debian |
| 13:20.02 | jeremy_g | i wish i had used debian instead of redhat |
| 13:20.09 | jeremy_g | 7 years ago when i started |
| 13:20.14 | themill | jeremy_g: yes, but it's also not debian. It has different versions of packages |
| 13:20.45 | jeremy_g | yep |
| 13:20.49 | nn_ | I wish I had abondoned using linux when 2.6 came out ;) |
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| 13:21.12 | samesame | jeremy_g: why do u wish that? for some reason i wish i started on fedora core instead of debian for linux admin experience |
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| 13:21.57 | jeremy_g | samesame:cuz its more frustrating to use rpm and manually install all the dependency when debian already had this apt system. |
| 13:22.05 | jeremy_g | yum is not as old as apt.. |
| 13:22.16 | samesame | jeremy_g: but if u get a job in the real world u might need that rpm experience? |
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| 13:22.35 | jeremy_g | samesame:rpm is so easy and yet so frustrating |
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| 13:22.46 | DooMRunneR | hi |
| 13:23.01 | jeremy_g | i think gentoo also copied apt concept as emerge and eix |
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| 13:23.20 | Chrom_ | hi all |
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| 13:24.13 | Chrom_ | I'm looking for a quick advice. I have to install a php forum software on one of my servers. Does anyone have a suggestion on which software to use? |
| 13:24.14 | nn_ | jeremy_g: gentoo is using a freebsd ports style concept, it has nothing in common with debian |
| 13:24.15 | Arafangion | jeremy_g: More like they copied a subset of ports. |
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| 13:24.49 | nn_ | Chrom_: install a nntp server |
| 13:25.01 | Arafangion | nn_: It'd also be *seriously* cool if I were able to remap the music frequencies. ;) |
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| 13:25.11 | DooMRunneR | does anyone know the bash command to check if the privious program runs correct? |
| 13:25.13 | Chrom_ | I'm sorry I should have specified that I need a web based php forum |
| 13:25.38 | alt_nick | vBulletin is the best one I've seen. |
| 13:25.50 | wols_ | Chrom_: http://www.simplemachines.org/ |
| 13:26.00 | Chrom_ | vBulletin? Is it secure? |
| 13:26.16 | alt_nick | afaik |
| 13:26.40 | samesame | Chrom_: vbulletin is not free but i think its the most secure and gets updated quickly with bug fixes |
| 13:26.59 | Chrom_ | I need a free and open solution |
| 13:27.36 | samesame | im free and open but not a bulletin board o_0 |
| 13:27.45 | nn_ | nntp is :P |
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| 13:28.14 | Chrom_ | so no experience with punbb for example? |
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| 13:28.34 | Chrom_ | you know freshmeat is really full of BB software and I'm lost |
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| 13:29.52 | wols_ | Chrom_: /msg dpkg search. apart from that: #web |
| 13:30.04 | ktwilight | is there a log file that dpkg/apt keeps on installed packages and failed ones? |
| 13:30.25 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.33 | Chrom_ | Wols_: I know but unfortunately dpkg isn't good at giving advices |
| 13:30.42 | Chrom_ | that's why I'm here |
| 13:31.03 | wols_ | you are OT |
| 13:32.27 | Chrom_ | am I OT guys? |
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| 13:32.58 | wols_ | Chrom_: this is a debian support channel. what has your question to do with debian? |
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| 13:33.32 | Chrom_ | if you read my first message, I asked for an advice on a software widely supported by the Debian community. |
| 13:33.50 | Chrom_ | because it's going to be installed on a Deb server |
| 13:33.52 | tralala | Chrom_, /msg dpkg popcon |
| 13:33.56 | tralala | Chrom_, /msg dpkg search |
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| 13:34.16 | wols_ | Chrom_: you already got several suggestions |
| 13:34.30 | wols_ | and we support what /msg dpkg search tells you |
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| 13:35.48 | Chrom_ | wols_:indeed my question was about which of the debian supported software was the best choice in my situation. I don't think I'm OT at all, I'm sorry. |
| 13:36.16 | wols_ | !best |
| 13:36.16 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 13:36.31 | tralala | Chrom_, your best choice depends on many factors most or all of which are unknown to us |
| 13:36.34 | Lemming2 | !best text edit |
| 13:36.44 | Lemming2 | uh uh dpkg |
| 13:36.45 | Lemming2 | XD |
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| 13:36.57 | jeremy_g | i have one simple question, where can i get the .deb file for libssl. |
| 13:37.06 | humbolto | how do I set the domainname of my host? |
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| 13:37.15 | Deformative | Hmm.. |
| 13:37.21 | humbolto | the /etc/hostname file should not be the place for that, should it? |
| 13:37.25 | Chrom_ | best, as I already wrote, for my situation is a free, open source, php based, supported and secure |
| 13:37.36 | tralala | jeremy_g, I've told you already - /msg dpkg search |
| 13:37.47 | valdyn | Chrom_: secure and php in the same sentence.. =/ |
| 13:37.58 | jeremy_g | tralala:it gives up just like the debian website search engine for packages. |
| 13:37.59 | tralala | Chrom_, php based and secure is already self contradictory requirement |
| 13:38.02 | Deformative | My Pentium 1 does not have a ethernet port, is there another way to get internet? |
| 13:38.16 | wols_ | Deformative: modem |
| 13:38.17 | tralala | jeremy_g, exactly - use them to find out what you're looking for |
| 13:38.25 | Chrom_ | ok, let's say less insecure as possible |
| 13:38.25 | valdyn | Chrom_: just use phpbb2 or phpbb3, both in debian, used by tons of sites |
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| 13:38.37 | wols_ | valdyn: tons of defaced sites? |
| 13:38.45 | valdyn | wols_: that too i guess |
| 13:38.53 | kombi_ | christ, I forget things badly.. how do you md5 a string again? |
| 13:39.03 | Deformative | I don't have dial up. |
| 13:39.11 | jeremy_g | tralala:there really seem to be an issue in finding libssl for debian |
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| 13:39.24 | wols_ | Deformative: nullmodem cable and pppd |
| 13:39.27 | jeremy_g | it cant be found anywhere |
| 13:39.52 | alt_nick | Deformative: Plug in a network card? |
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| 13:39.55 | Deformative | wols_ what does that mean? |
| 13:40.06 | wols_ | jeremy_g: there really seems to be a problem with your reading skills |
| 13:40.07 | Deformative | I don't wanna go buy one... |
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| 13:40.34 | valdyn | jeremy_g: apt-cache search libssl |
| 13:40.36 | tralala | jeremy_g, what did you try so far? |
| 13:40.38 | alt_nick | Two days of work messing with legacy equipment and software or ten bucks? |
| 13:40.45 | wols_ | Deformative: this is not #hardware. so google the terms you don't understand |
| 13:40.48 | valdyn | jeremy_g: and learn about searching, seriously, /msg dpkg search |
| 13:41.54 | Deformative | alt_nick, I just want to use this box to test my software. |
| 13:42.08 | valdyn | Deformative: ethernet cards can easily be scavanged at your local trash dump |
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| 13:42.35 | Deformative | ...True. |
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| 13:42.48 | valdyn | Deformative: probably something nicer than a p1 too ;) |
| 13:43.00 | Deformative | No. |
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| 13:43.09 | Deformative | I want a shitty pc for testing my software. |
| 13:43.23 | tralala | Deformative, use qemu to emulate one |
| 13:43.28 | valdyn | Deformative: im sure 'qemu' can emulate a shitty pc just fine |
| 13:43.44 | tralala | valdyn, heh, I like your thinking ;) |
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| 13:44.35 | stickybit` | i am trying to connect another debian machine with xdmcp but not getting gdm |
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| 13:44.58 | Deformative | Perhaps I should just find a distro that has a full installation. |
| 13:45.00 | stickybit` | on server i just edited /etc/gdm/gdm.conf to enable xdmcp |
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| 13:45.13 | stickybit` | but not getting the gdm of server |
| 13:45.17 | tralala | Deformative, that'll definately save us trouble |
| 13:45.33 | stickybit` | server is in 2nd runlevel |
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| 13:45.37 | valdyn | Deformative: you are sure that debian does not have that? |
| 13:45.38 | ktwilight | makedev fuse c 10 229 root root 0660: failed <- am trying to understand this sentence that apt-get spewed out. what does c 10 and 229 mean? |
| 13:45.43 | Deformative | Or coppy all the .deb packages to a flash drive. |
| 13:45.52 | ktwilight | i know root and 0660 is the ownership and permission level |
| 13:46.00 | valdyn | ktwilight: character device named fuse with major 10 and minor 229 |
| 13:46.01 | ktwilight | am trying to see whether i can replicate this 'error' manually. |
| 13:46.09 | ktwilight | ah |
| 13:46.15 | Deformative | valdyn, well debian does,s ure. |
| 13:46.17 | ktwilight | makedev's man doesn't say mucho |
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| 13:46.43 | valdyn | ktwilight: it just uses mknod |
| 13:46.47 | ktwilight | valdyn, how would i run through this on makedev manually? |
| 13:46.54 | ktwilight | ah, was looking at the wrong thing then |
| 13:47.06 | ktwilight | ah ok, i see it. thanks valdyn :) |
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| 13:47.38 | Lemming2 | How do I set up network devices? |
| 13:47.49 | Lemming2 | All that's showing is the loopback device |
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| 13:47.52 | Lemming2 | in ifconfig that is |
| 13:48.00 | Absolute0 | whats the best way to create a thumbnail->enlargement page? |
| 13:48.51 | tralala | Absolute0, igal |
| 13:49.18 | abrotman | or gallery |
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| 13:49.46 | Absolute0 | tralala: thanks |
| 13:49.59 | Absolute0 | do most hosting servers have perl support? |
| 13:50.06 | nn_ | there's a plugin for firefox that generates enlargeable thumbnails automatically from links to images |
| 13:50.14 | nn_ | "url2image" |
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| 13:50.32 | shwouchk | hi |
| 13:50.42 | shwouchk | is it possible to migrate ubuntu to debian? |
| 13:50.48 | shwouchk | w/o reinstall? |
| 13:50.58 | Arafangion | shwouchk: No. They are different OS's. |
| 13:51.03 | Absolute0 | shwouchk: i would want to reinstall.. |
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| 13:51.14 | tralala | shwouchk, no |
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| 13:51.49 | shwouchk | overwhelming NO :) |
| 13:51.51 | shwouchk | :( |
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| 13:52.30 | MrKeuner_ | hi, is there a best way to go over random lockups? |
| 13:53.03 | abrotman | find the source and fix it |
| 13:53.04 | wols_ | Lemming2: man interfaces |
| 13:53.05 | nn_ | buy a new power supply / mainboard / computer |
| 13:53.09 | Arafangion | MrKeuner_: mentest86 |
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| 13:53.21 | Arafangion | *memtest86 |
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| 13:53.29 | alt_nick | or check the logs to see if you can find the problem there first. |
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| 13:54.02 | Absolute0 | tralala: well the whole point of posing my question was to avoid the many different html files for each "slide" i want one site to have all the thumbnails and when one is clicked its enlarged... |
| 13:54.06 | MrKeuner_ | Arafangion: will I just observe if any errors are existent, or is there any other things that I should be lookign for? |
| 13:54.19 | Arafangion | MrKeuner_: If you have errors, your ram is likely FUBAR! |
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| 13:54.36 | MrKeuner_ | Arafangion: otherwise? |
| 13:54.40 | abrotman | Absolute0: i wrote a hackish php script that kind of does that .. but it likely isn't what you're looking for |
| 13:54.48 | Arafangion | MrKeuner_: Power supply. |
| 13:54.49 | tralala | Absolute0, are you sure igal doesn't have any options to do that? |
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| 13:54.56 | stew | now that there are badram patches, even it if is FU its no necessarily BAR |
| 13:54.57 | Arafangion | MrKeuner_: Try a better, perhaps higher-rated, power supply. |
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| 13:55.10 | MrKeuner_ | Arafangion: thinkpad r52, here |
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| 13:55.22 | Lemming2 | wols_: Can I reload that config? |
| 13:55.24 | Absolute0 | tralala: it says directly on the site that igal is static... |
| 13:55.26 | MrKeuner_ | Arafangion: with no addons |
| 13:55.47 | vorpal | MrKeuner_: do you have any console messages that might indicate the source of the problem? |
| 13:55.48 | Absolute0 | and when you click on the galleries it isnt either.. |
| 13:55.52 | tralala | Absolute0, I think you ought to read the manual carefully |
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| 13:56.00 | MrKeuner_ | vorpal: non that I could find relevant |
| 13:56.34 | vorpal | MrKeuner_: can you monitor any hardware vitals, such as voltage or temp? |
| 13:56.39 | abrotman | Absolute0: you just want to drop pics in a dir and have it thumbnail them ? |
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| 13:57.00 | MrKeuner_ | vorpal: I have gkrellm installed will that do? |
| 13:57.09 | Absolute0 | abrotman: yes |
| 13:57.27 | vorpal | MrKeuner_: i don't know, haven't used it |
| 13:57.35 | abrotman | Absolute0: i have something that does that .. but it doesn't cache the thumbnails so they have to be regenerated each time (not a fast process) |
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| 13:58.04 | Absolute0 | abrotman: please send it or paste it.. |
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| 13:58.15 | abrotman | Absolute0: moment .. it's two bits |
| 13:58.16 | MrKeuner_ | vorpal: Jul 2 08:57:36 host dhclient: No DHCPOFFERS received. this is the closest entry |
| 13:58.24 | Absolute0 | 2 bits wow? |
| 13:58.25 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 13:58.32 | eMish | How do I check whether my debian is stable or unstable ? |
| 13:58.38 | vorpal | MrKeuner_: closest to what? :-) |
| 13:58.41 | eMish | Some /etc/*release* file ? |
| 13:58.47 | MrKeuner_ | vorpal: to lockup |
| 13:59.02 | tralala | Absolute0, igal has to be run every time you put new pictures there so yes, it's static but you can use it in a post script after the new images are added |
| 13:59.02 | vorpal | oh, temporally closest |
| 13:59.35 | Arafangion | eMish: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:59.37 | Absolute0 | ah |
| 13:59.50 | MrKeuner_ | vorpal: being close in time yes :) |
| 13:59.51 | Arafangion | eMish: Doesn't neccessarily mean that the packages you have installed correspond to that. |
| 14:00.04 | vorpal | MrKeuner_: if you have a bad fan, or power supply, something like lm-sensors could tell you about it |
| 14:00.19 | Absolute0 | tralala: well the examples given dont show that all pictures can be enlarged on the same page... |
| 14:00.23 | eMish | Arafangion, it does not say 'stable' or 'unstable' anywhere |
| 14:00.29 | abrotman | Absolute0: you want it or not ? |
| 14:00.30 | Arafangion | eMish: What does it say? |
| 14:00.45 | Absolute0 | abrotman: yes |
| 14:00.45 | eMish | etch |
| 14:00.50 | abrotman | god ... i used to write some awful code |
| 14:00.51 | abrotman | http://paste.debian.net/31828 |
| 14:00.53 | Arafangion | eMish: Try reading the topic ;) |
| 14:00.53 | abrotman | Absolute0: ^^ |
| 14:01.09 | abrotman | it's not even w3 compliant HTML ..; |
| 14:01.11 | vorpal | MrKeuner_: in the worst case, you are stuck with swapping out components, as suggested earlier, but unless those are readily available... |
| 14:01.16 | tralala | Absolute0, what do you mean enlarged on the same page? Do you want some fancy ajax like opening of the pics? |
| 14:01.19 | Absolute0 | abrotman: great thanks |
| 14:01.24 | eMish | Ah ok. For the record: the debian versioning scheme is the ....est thing in all Universe. |
| 14:01.26 | abrotman | Absolute0: i make no promises about the quality of the code :) |
| 14:01.30 | Absolute0 | lol |
| 14:01.47 | abrotman | Absolute0: and it's pretty slow on large images or large directories |
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| 14:01.53 | abrotman | Absolute0: and your server won't be happy with you |
| 14:01.58 | Absolute0 | i need to learn php... |
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| 14:02.22 | Arafangion | abrotman: pidgin HTML ;) |
| 14:02.32 | abrotman | Arafangion: something like that |
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| 14:02.45 | Arafangion | abrotman: Consider yourself equal with the latin and elvish speakers :) |
| 14:02.49 | abrotman | Absolute0: and that script expects the image filenames to start with 'p' (my camera works like that) |
| 14:02.55 | abrotman | Arafangion: hehe |
| 14:03.16 | MrKeuner_ | vorpal: does lm-sensors application do benchmarking on the power supply or should I just be watching the voltages and decide myself? |
| 14:03.23 | eMish | Any plans to switch to normal 5.4 normal and understandable versioning scheme anytmie soon ? |
| 14:03.54 | eMish | Like, 5.4 is newer than 4.5 and older than 6.3 ? |
| 14:03.59 | abrotman | what? |
| 14:04.08 | valdyn | !confuse eMish |
| 14:04.08 | dpkg | No, those was our ferret yesterday, eMish? shirts of the monarchy of belarus with extra cheese |
| 14:04.08 | eMish | No, we debians are much smarter than that |
| 14:04.14 | Absolute0 | abrotman: don't worry it will be a good example for me.. |
| 14:04.33 | eMish | "Now 4.3 is the newest version!. The 7.3is now obsolete! 1.3 will ne the next year version!" |
| 14:04.40 | abrotman | Absolute0: if you ask very nicely .. some day i had intended to have it cache those thumbnails |
| 14:04.51 | abrotman | eMish: lay off the crack |
| 14:05.08 | Absolute0 | how about just have 2 dirs? |
| 14:05.10 | nvz | seriously |
| 14:05.13 | Arafangion | abrotman: In your defense, that code was quick to write, and did the job perfectly adequately to your immediate needs, while being perfectly maintainable tomorrow. |
| 14:05.14 | vorpal | MrKeuner_: lm-sensors just reports values. |
| 14:05.19 | Absolute0 | one with the thumbnails and one with regular pics |
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| 14:05.26 | Absolute0 | that way no caching necessary |
| 14:05.27 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 14:05.35 | abrotman | Arafangion: it's still slow :) |
| 14:05.41 | Arafangion | abrotman: You didn't spend two days making the best possible design with XHTML strict. |
| 14:05.43 | vorpal | MrKeuner_: one more thing... you do have a console open, right? |
| 14:05.44 | abrotman | Absolute0: sure .. but i still have to write it |
| 14:05.46 | Absolute0 | i am sure there are apps that generate thumbnails from pics |
| 14:05.52 | abrotman | Arafangion: xhtml isn't that bad :) |
| 14:05.59 | MrKeuner_ | vorpal: should I be looking for sudden changes in the voltage? or droppping down below a limit? or anything else? |
| 14:05.59 | abrotman | Absolute0: there are tons .. but i wanted it on the floy |
| 14:06.00 | abrotman | fly |
| 14:06.01 | flami | eMish, maybe for you 4 comes before 3.2 but in my world debian was always in th right numeric order. |
| 14:06.01 | Absolute0 | photoshop/gimp does them one at a time.. |
| 14:06.03 | MrKeuner_ | vorpal: yes, do |
| 14:06.06 | eMish | Let me understand. Etch is v4 this year, will be v3 next year ? |
| 14:06.11 | abrotman | Absolute0: imagemagick |
| 14:06.12 | eMish | how smart |
| 14:06.19 | abrotman | eMish: you're not making any sense |
| 14:06.33 | nvz | eMish: etch will always be version 4.0 |
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| 14:06.45 | eMish | abrotman, I am poking fun at "versioning without nunbers" |
| 14:06.45 | flami | eMish, what are you talking about ? |
| 14:06.50 | Arafangion | abrotman: I prefer HTML (strict) with CSS, but if you looked at my website, you'll see that I'm very pedantic to correct style and standards - yet the most basic of html and css code doesn't actually work :) |
| 14:06.52 | vorpal | MrKeuner_: fatal messages will sometimes not make it to the log. |
| 14:07.00 | Arafangion | abrotman: www.fussycoder.id.au <-- Does not work on IE! |
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| 14:07.15 | abrotman | eMish: okeedokee ... |
| 14:07.29 | MrKeuner_ | vorpal: Oh, you mean just a leave a gnome-termianl open all the times to catch a broadcast message |
| 14:07.30 | valdyn | eMish: there's verious places where you can read up on debian release names. Stop talking nonsense though in here. |
| 14:08.00 | nvz | eMish: everything in debian has version numbers and they don't work the way you keep ranting about |
| 14:08.01 | vorpal | MrKeuner_: well, sort of. |
| 14:08.04 | abrotman | Arafangion: better than my 'homepage' ... "<html><p>hi there!</p></html> |
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| 14:08.13 | Arafangion | abrotman: At least IE renders that. |
| 14:08.16 | abrotman | it does |
| 14:08.17 | Arafangion | abrotman: It doesn't render mine. |
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| 14:08.39 | abrotman | Arafangion: eh .. IE7 murders it |
| 14:08.50 | Arafangion | abrotman: IE6 is wierd as well :) |
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| 14:08.57 | Adriano | Arafangion: ie renders mine, though |
| 14:08.57 | abrotman | i suspect that's CSS issues though |
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| 14:09.21 | Adriano | moranar.com.ar |
| 14:09.21 | Arafangion | abrotman: It is - they don't seem to support the box model properly, but even then, the particular way that IE6 misrenders it is *wierd* |
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| 14:09.54 | Arafangion | abrotman: You must first forgive the way it likes to position things, then you have to manually highlight the area where the header *should* be, then hey presto! The header's now visible! |
| 14:10.03 | Arafangion | abrotman: Even when you remove the highlight. |
| 14:10.36 | _eXoDuS | Arafangion: there's many things that firefox renders like crap too, it's not 100% good :) |
| 14:10.36 | Arafangion | Adriano: Completely and utterly irrelevant. |
| 14:10.40 | wols_ | Lemming2: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 14:10.57 | Arafangion | _eXoDuS: Yes, but what web browser has an excuse not to render mine? |
| 14:11.19 | Arafangion | _eXoDuS: Even blazer, on the Palm OS, renders it perfectly. |
| 14:11.31 | abrotman | _eXoDuS: his point is that he's HTML4/CSS w3 compliant |
| 14:11.36 | _eXoDuS | you just happen to use features that IE implements differently |
| 14:11.42 | Arafangion | _eXoDuS: All the way to links, lynx, etc. IE is the ONLY standout. |
| 14:11.47 | _eXoDuS | if you use features that firefox implements differently the story would be on the other side |
| 14:11.47 | Adriano | "we own the market" is their excuse |
| 14:11.49 | Arafangion | _eXoDuS: What features? |
| 14:12.07 | Arafangion | _eXoDuS: I'm using such a minimal basic subset of html and css it isn't even funny. |
| 14:12.10 | _eXoDuS | pfft, there are lots |
| 14:12.14 | _eXoDuS | block-inline for example |
| 14:12.19 | Arafangion | _eXoDuS: Nope, not using that. |
| 14:12.24 | _eXoDuS | i know you are not |
| 14:12.27 | _eXoDuS | that's my point |
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| 14:12.38 | _eXoDuS | I can point you to websites that IE renders properly and IE fucks up |
| 14:12.40 | Adriano | my point was that it's painful, not impossible, to code up to std and make it look good on IE |
| 14:12.46 | _eXoDuS | err |
| 14:12.47 | MrKeuner_ | vorpal: thank you for the insight |
| 14:12.48 | _eXoDuS | Firefox fucks up |
| 14:12.49 | _eXoDuS | sorry |
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| 14:13.02 | _eXoDuS | and my point is |
| 14:13.15 | _eXoDuS | that it's also painful coding to standards and making it work on Firefox and Safari |
| 14:13.27 | _eXoDuS | Not as painful as IE |
| 14:13.32 | Arafangion | _eXoDuS: I am literally using nothing but <img>, <p>, <div>, <h1>, <h2>, maybe <h3>, <a>, and maybe <span>, and some really basic css that doesn't even attempt to dynamically resize things on mouseover, except for the link over colour changes. |
| 14:13.33 | _eXoDuS | but it's painfull nontheless |
| 14:13.40 | vorpal | MrKeuner_: np |
| 14:13.47 | Arafangion | _eXoDuS: Oh, and a list. |
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| 14:13.56 | Arafangion | _eXoDuS: <ol> and <li>. |
| 14:14.00 | _eXoDuS | it doesnt matter what tags you use |
| 14:14.01 | Arafangion | _eXoDuS: That's it. |
| 14:14.03 | _eXoDuS | it's the combination of em |
| 14:14.06 | _eXoDuS | that makes browsers fart |
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| 14:14.27 | omri | does linux's software raid support raid 6? |
| 14:14.28 | _eXoDuS | at least they are doing something about it |
| 14:14.30 | Arafangion | _eXoDuS: I'll bet even the crappiest browser on the plannet will render my website fine, yes, even Dillo. |
| 14:14.35 | _eXoDuS | IE7 is a step in the good direction |
| 14:14.35 | Adriano | Arafangion: did you make sure that IE is not running in quirks mode? |
| 14:14.39 | _eXoDuS | and Firefox 3.0 is awesome |
| 14:15.04 | _eXoDuS | Adriano: good point |
| 14:15.06 | Arafangion | Adriano: Check the dtd. |
| 14:15.12 | Arafangion | Adriano: Even covered that :) |
| 14:15.24 | Adriano | url? |
| 14:15.29 | Arafangion | Adriano: www.fussycoder.id.au |
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| 14:15.37 | _eXoDuS | anyway :) |
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| 14:16.00 | Arafangion | Adriano: And as you can see, I've even put it through the w3c conformance tests, for good measure, though that was a while ago... |
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| 14:16.18 | _eXoDuS | w3c my ass :) |
| 14:16.27 | _eXoDuS | what's the point if it doesnt work |
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| 14:18.08 | Arafangion | _eXoDuS: It is _their_ *standard* |
| 14:18.09 | Lemming2 | I still cannot get my network card to show under ifconfig |
| 14:18.16 | Adriano | Arafangion: it'd be useful if the w3c was how MS actually implemented the IE engine, but this way is useless |
| 14:18.22 | _eXoDuS | Arafangion: yea, so? |
| 14:18.37 | Arafangion | Adriano: Yes, but still, it's incredible how it misrenders my site! |
| 14:18.41 | Lemming2 | (btw, it does work with livecds, and I used a netinst to install the system) |
| 14:18.58 | _eXoDuS | Arafangion: incredible or not, it's your problem right now, not theirs :) |
| 14:19.08 | Arafangion | _eXoDuS: No it isn't my "problem" :) |
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| 14:19.28 | _eXoDuS | Arafangion: sure it is, your site doesnt render well :) |
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| 14:19.39 | abrotman | _eXoDuS: because they don't implement the spec correctly |
| 14:19.40 | Arafangion | _eXoDuS: I literally can't be bothered to tweak my site according to unpublished, broken, or overly complex specs, and my friends all use non-IE browsers. |
| 14:19.55 | _eXoDuS | abrotman: i know that, but that doesnt change the fact that the site doesnt work |
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| 14:20.24 | Arafangion | _eXoDuS: The IE browsers still get the *content*, at least, so it degrades sufficiently well for old, broken, or crap browsers, of which IE is in a group of one. |
| 14:20.45 | abrotman | _eXoDuS: that's not his fault |
| 14:21.39 | Arafangion | abrotman: Forget it, MS has trained him too well. |
| 14:21.44 | _eXoDuS | abrotman: bitching about it wont change the facts |
| 14:21.53 | _eXoDuS | pfft |
| 14:21.56 | _eXoDuS | I'm not trained by MS |
| 14:21.58 | abrotman | _eXoDuS: it will if you stop using IE :) |
| 14:22.03 | _eXoDuS | I've been using Linux since '96 |
| 14:22.07 | _eXoDuS | and I hate IE |
| 14:22.12 | _eXoDuS | but I'm also a webdeveloper |
| 14:22.15 | Adriano | Arafangion: it's not ms training, it's the little fact that IE owns the market |
| 14:22.32 | _eXoDuS | and my clients don't give a damn if Microsoft didnt implement the spec properly, they want the site to work on their browser, and their's momma's |
| 14:22.39 | Adriano | if you want your page to display correctly, it's your problem to do it right |
| 14:22.47 | abrotman | _eXoDuS: that's fine .. if he doesn't care .. that's good for him .. it's still the fault of the browser .. not the developer |
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| 14:23.38 | Arafangion | Adriano: It has displayed well on every user's website I have ever given it to, except for those in this particular discussion, and one other user, who was able to get the content anyway. |
| 14:23.44 | _eXoDuS | abrotman: sure, but my client could go to another company that will make his site work in IE |
| 14:23.47 | Arafangion | Adriano: In 3 years |
| 14:23.57 | abrotman | _eXoDuS: as i said .. he doesn't care .. |
| 14:24.05 | Adriano | abrotman: that reasoning is so nice, it's a shame web devs don't get paid when they apologise with "but it's the browser's fault" |
| 14:24.13 | abrotman | heh |
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| 14:24.54 | Arafangion | Adriano: Besides, if I were to compete with my friend's website, I'd have absolutely no time left in the world. (valorin.net) |
| 14:25.01 | Adriano | web standards are nice, I follow them, but if you want the page to display well in ie, it's extra work |
| 14:25.15 | _eXoDuS | indeed |
| 14:25.21 | nn_ | "webdeveloper" are not the victims, but the source of all the problems |
| 14:25.30 | Arafangion | Adriano: And I have other things to do, such as learning a second language, implementing an ambitious game project, etc :) |
| 14:25.31 | Adriano | Arafangion, it's useless to show me urls now, I have only links |
| 14:25.41 | Adriano | thanks, though |
| 14:25.50 | Arafangion | Adriano: It should work in links -g :) |
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| 14:26.10 | Lemming2 | valdyn: Thanks a lot for all your help, will try getting networking up later :) |
| 14:26.11 | Adriano | yes, but I'm not going to notice much of the style, am I? |
| 14:26.11 | Arafangion | Adriano: My site works perfectly in that too,l and so does his. |
| 14:26.20 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - can somebody help me with this problem: http://rafb.net/p/2mziAF23.txt - the disk should be fixed now, but it wont boot - any ideas? |
| 14:26.31 | Adriano | nn_: nah, some stuff is due to lawyers |
| 14:26.38 | Adriano | and beancounters |
| 14:26.40 | Arafangion | Adriano: Even his source is nice to look at. |
| 14:26.41 | Adriano | and managers |
| 14:26.47 | Adriano | lessee |
| 14:28.01 | Arafangion | Adriano: Actually, he uses alot of javascript, though he uses it as little as possible for what he wants, which means he does have to do quite a bit of work for browser compatibility. Last I heard he was working on getting it to work on Opera - Opera does some things differently, but they still follow the various standards.. |
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| 14:28.35 | Adriano | ok, that's definitely not visible here |
| 14:28.47 | _eXoDuS | Opera is one of the most compliant browsers I've seen |
| 14:29.17 | _eXoDuS | I built a super complex website, and when I tested it in Opera there was only one minor thing to fix, with javascript's DOM in Opera |
| 14:29.23 | abrotman | _eXoDuS: but when it screws up .. it goes all to hell :) |
| 14:29.40 | _eXoDuS | abrotman: not as much as with IE :) |
| 14:29.50 | abrotman | ie just screws up all the time |
| 14:29.54 | _eXoDuS | it was just a lil simple fix I had to do, and Opera was rocking |
| 14:30.06 | _eXoDuS | and Opera is faster than Firefox at rendering |
| 14:30.11 | _eXoDuS | too bad it uses QT |
| 14:30.21 | Adriano | yes, when I do webdev I usually code for ffox or opera |
| 14:30.34 | Adriano | and then hack in ie support |
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| 14:31.14 | Adriano | I usually don't have to touch the code to adapt it to opera |
| 14:31.16 | _eXoDuS | Adriano: same here |
| 14:31.23 | abrotman | i wonder if absolute0 has figured out that my code was crap yet? :) |
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| 14:32.14 | Arafangion | Adriano: You should test against konq or safari as well. |
| 14:32.27 | _eXoDuS | Arafangion: give me a mac :P |
| 14:32.33 | _eXoDuS | i do test against konq |
| 14:33.09 | Arafangion | _eXoDuS: Safari works on windows, you know. |
| 14:33.09 | Adriano | I usually used the sites that check the websites you submit to them |
| 14:33.15 | Adriano | can't remember the name |
| 14:33.25 | Arafangion | Adriano: Ahh, those are good, but nobody can ever remember the name ;) |
| 14:33.29 | _eXoDuS | Arafangion: no, i didnt know :) |
| 14:33.37 | Adriano | safari has only worked for a few weeks on win |
| 14:33.42 | _eXoDuS | Arafangion: I don't even have windows right now, though. :P |
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| 14:34.06 | Adriano | and the beta crapped itself out when I pushed the "bookmarks" button |
| 14:34.10 | Arafangion | _eXoDuS: Getting a copy of windows is still slightly cheaper than getting a mac. :) |
| 14:34.25 | wols_ | _eXoDuS: run safari for windows |
| 14:34.37 | Adriano | plus, the quantity of people that browse my site in either safari or konq is negligible |
| 14:34.59 | _eXoDuS | wols_: <_eXoDuS> Arafangion: I don't even have windows right now, though. :P |
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| 14:35.12 | Absolute0 | I switched to lenny and now X wont start, it says nvidia module failed to load... I ran 'modprobe nvidia' and the problem persists. any suggestions? |
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| 14:35.19 | Arafangion | Adriano: It's getting pretty close to Every Single Mac User, afaik. |
| 14:35.31 | Adriano | what is? |
| 14:35.31 | _eXoDuS | Absolute0: lsmod | grep nvidia is it there? |
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| 14:35.45 | Absolute0 | nvidia 4550548 0 |
| 14:35.46 | Absolute0 | i2c_core 20096 4 nvidia,via686a,i2c_isa,i2c_viapro |
| 14:35.46 | Absolute0 | agpgart 30216 2 nvidia,via_agp |
| 14:35.48 | Arafangion | Adriano: Those who use the KHTML engine. |
| 14:35.57 | Absolute0 | i guess so.. |
| 14:36.00 | _eXoDuS | Absolute0: what does the Xorg.0.log say? |
| 14:36.08 | Adriano | I know, but they're still few and far between |
| 14:36.20 | Adriano | my site looks fine on konq |
| 14:36.26 | _eXoDuS | I thought most mac users used IE for mac anyway |
| 14:36.38 | Arafangion | Adriano: I'd probably be happy with that ;) |
| 14:36.45 | Adriano | if the quantity of safari users grows, I'll think of supporting them better |
| 14:36.46 | Arafangion | _eXoDuS: I think the latest version of IE for the mac was 5.1 |
| 14:36.56 | _eXoDuS | Arafangion: oh |
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| 14:37.01 | Adriano | (visiting my site, I mean)) |
| 14:37.03 | Absolute0 | (EE) No drivers available. ± ³ ± ³ Fatal server error: þ ³ no screens found |
| 14:37.24 | _eXoDuS | Absolute0: xorg.conf has driver set to nvidia ? |
| 14:37.25 | Absolute0 | i ran nvidia-xconfig too.. |
| 14:37.28 | Arafangion | Adriano: It's very common for browsers to lie, you know. |
| 14:37.33 | Adriano | yes |
| 14:37.42 | Adriano | I don't condone lying |
| 14:37.51 | smacnay | Hi, which apache package is the one to install? Just 'apache2' or one of the 'mpm-x' packages? |
| 14:37.53 | Absolute0 | _eXoDuS: |
| 14:37.56 | Absolute0 | _eXoDuS: yes |
| 14:38.00 | Arafangion | Adriano: There are alot of shit websites that encourage lying, though. :( |
| 14:38.09 | Adriano | if you browse using "nutscrape" I'm not going to program for your browser :) |
| 14:38.15 | _eXoDuS | Absolute0: mmmmmm |
| 14:38.23 | smacnay | Absolute0: what kernel are you using? new install? is nvidiafb running? |
| 14:38.28 | _eXoDuS | Absolute0: any other clues in xorg.0.log? |
| 14:38.33 | Absolute0 | agh |
| 14:38.41 | Absolute0 | sorry guys i am not so experienced with debian.. |
| 14:38.46 | Absolute0 | or nvidia.. |
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| 14:39.07 | Absolute0 | whats the full path to xorg.0.log? |
| 14:39.07 | _eXoDuS | Absolute0: did you reboot after upgrading? |
| 14:39.13 | Absolute0 | _eXoDuS: i did |
| 14:39.14 | smacnay | Absolute0: type 'lsmod | grep nv' in a console and see what is there. |
| 14:39.14 | Arafangion | Adriano: You're experienced enough to say if it's a new install, or not, right? |
| 14:39.22 | _eXoDuS | Absolute0: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:39.31 | Adriano | a new install of what? |
| 14:39.46 | Arafangion | Oops, Adriano That was meant to be Absolute0 :( |
| 14:39.52 | smacnay | Absolute0: I had issues with the current nvidia drivers in Debian 'testing/lenny' |
| 14:40.17 | Absolute0 | Is there any app that pastes files to some paste site? |
| 14:40.18 | Arafangion | smacnay: Gee, what a surprise(!) I wonder why it's called 'testing'? |
| 14:40.22 | Absolute0 | in archlinux theres nopaste.. |
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| 14:40.37 | smacnay | Absolute0: I guess xorg upgraded and the current nvidia drivers don't work with it. |
| 14:40.41 | Absolute0 | smacnay: so you |
| 14:40.51 | Absolute0 | smacnay: so you're using the stable version of the driver? |
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| 14:41.32 | roxy_ | is there an open-source project management system ? (sort of ms project) |
| 14:41.34 | smacnay | Absolute0: I downloaded a newer version of the nvidia driver. Did your system upgrade? Are you running lenny? |
| 14:41.47 | Arafangion | roxy_: gnome-project. |
| 14:41.51 | _eXoDuS | roxy_: Planner |
| 14:41.59 | Absolute0 | smacnay: yes i am running lenny |
| 14:42.05 | Absolute0 | i ran dist-upgrade.. |
| 14:42.05 | Arafangion | roxy_: Planner's the latest name. |
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| 14:42.12 | Absolute0 | and that causes xorg to not start.. |
| 14:42.28 | nn_ | how long do you think it will take, until all commercial linux apps have been ported to amd64 so there's no more need for a chroot enviromnent? |
| 14:42.28 | _eXoDuS | Absolute0: you could use the 'nv' driver till the nvidia is fixed in testing |
| 14:42.39 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - can somebody help me with this problem: http://rafb.net/p/2mziAF23.txt - the disk should be fixed now, but it wont boot |
| 14:42.51 | Absolute0 | but then i wont have opengl :( |
| 14:42.52 | roxy_ | Arafangion, _eXoDuS: thanks. |
| 14:42.58 | Arafangion | Absolute0: You do realise that "testing" means just that... "testing". Thankyou for discovering a problem, now you should learn how to use the bts :) (Bug Tracking System) |
| 14:43.14 | smacnay | Absolute0: If what is happening to you is what happened to me, you need newer nvidia drivers. I have the three packages here but you can get them from www.khensu.org/nvidia |
| 14:43.27 | Absolute0 | oh ok.. |
| 14:43.29 | Absolute0 | thanks |
| 14:43.33 | Arafangion | Absolute0: Or... You could've just stuck with stable, it's recently updated anyway, and it WORKS. |
| 14:43.34 | Adriano | Absolute0: you do know there's not much opengl actually does nowadays on linux? |
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| 14:44.09 | Absolute0 | Adriano: your sentences is ambiguous please rephrase :) |
| 14:44.14 | Adriano | bubbling icons, a few games, sure, but you won't die for the lack of them |
| 14:44.18 | smacnay | Absolute0: yes, testing will through curves at you. You will either go back to a stable linux distro or become quickly proficient at solving problems. |
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| 14:44.49 | Absolute0 | smacnay: in that case you should switch to archlinux :-P |
| 14:44.58 | Absolute0 | all you do is solve problems there |
| 14:45.03 | Adriano | less ambiguously: opengl is not necessary. It is only nice |
| 14:45.05 | Absolute0 | all configs are done by you.. |
| 14:45.18 | Absolute0 | Adriano: i like opengl |
| 14:45.22 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 14:45.33 | Adriano | I like it too |
| 14:45.33 | smacnay | Absolute0: to just get x running with no accelerated stuff, run as root 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and change the setting 'nvidia' to 'nv' when you come to it. |
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| 14:45.52 | Absolute0 | smacnay: or i can just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf :-P |
| 14:45.57 | Absolute0 | and change one freakin line! |
| 14:46.10 | jdolan_ | to adjust global PATH for all users, do i edit /etc/environment or /etc/login.defs? |
| 14:46.12 | Adriano | but this is a celeron with 64 mb of ram, text-mode only, and I haven't died yet |
| 14:46.15 | jdolan_ | i see PATH specified in both. |
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| 14:46.29 | Arafangion | Adriano: :) |
| 14:46.34 | smacnay | Absolute0: yes, but doing so will require some other alterations if you want to run dpkg-reconfigure on xserver-xorg later on. your call. |
| 14:46.46 | Absolute0 | smacnay: i am going back to etch |
| 14:46.51 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 14:46.52 | Arafangion | Adriano: I'm running on VESA mode here :) |
| 14:47.08 | Adriano | oh, I can run x |
| 14:47.10 | smacnay | Absolute0: there is a simple fix for your problem. |
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| 14:47.27 | Adriano | it's just that it's too uncomfortable |
| 14:47.38 | Absolute0 | smacnay: you seem very determined :) i should just download those newere drivers? |
| 14:47.49 | Arafangion | Adriano: With VESA mode, I run fluxbox, an rxvt, and one really big screen session :) |
| 14:47.54 | smacnay | Absolute0: it will work. Faster than a reinstall |
| 14:48.01 | Absolute0 | huh |
| 14:48.07 | Adriano | I just edited inittab to give me more consoles |
| 14:48.07 | Absolute0 | ye reinstall takes about 30 min :( |
| 14:48.12 | smacnay | Arafangion: I love screen. |
| 14:48.25 | Absolute0 | smacnay: but is lenny any different than etch? |
| 14:48.29 | Arafangion | Adriano: On the next "desktop", I run some applications that insist on graphics, though soon I'll get an nvidia card so that I can nicely run multimedia... I'm a deaf person, I want my videos! |
| 14:48.31 | Absolute0 | stable stuff is always nicer |
| 14:48.42 | Bushmills | actually, there is a point in favour for nvidia rather than nv driver in X (with my controller, at least, an old NV18) - nvidia runs 2d operations, like moving a window on the screen, visibly faster |
| 14:49.26 | Adriano | plus, I discovered the nice chvt command |
| 14:49.26 | Arafangion | Bushmills: Hello? I'm running VESA here!? |
| 14:49.33 | wols_ | xored`off: WINE |
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| 14:49.35 | smacnay | Absolute0: I can dcc you these drivers or go to the website I listed and grab the nvidia-kernel nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev drivers with the 100.14.xxx tag line (also the i386 in the line as well). |
| 14:49.54 | Absolute0 | smacnay: dcc them |
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| 14:50.01 | Absolute0 | i dont have firefox and too lazy to use elinks.. |
| 14:50.02 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 14:50.23 | Arafangion | Adriano: Though, other than my want for multimedia (I couldn't care less about sound, it's the graphics I want), it's also the ease of changign my keyboard bindings without root access that keeps me in x11. |
| 14:50.36 | smacnay | Absolute0: just a little more current. I am not sure about now, but the stable distros of Debian seemed to lag bahind current software after a while. With testing, things stay more current with a few minor inconveniences. |
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| 14:50.47 | Bushmills | Absolute0: the differences between lenny and etch become bigger every day |
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| 14:51.05 | Absolute0 | when is lenny gonna be stable!? |
| 14:51.13 | Bushmills | Absolute0: oooof ... |
| 14:51.18 | Adriano | Absolute0 in a few years? |
| 14:51.26 | Adriano | (few >= 1) |
| 14:51.38 | smacnay | Bushmills: I agree. |
| 14:51.39 | stew | Adriano: when the RC bug count against it hits zero: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 14:51.54 | Absolute0 | oh shit i edited sources.list back to etch but update && dist-upgrade does nothing |
| 14:51.55 | smacnay | Absolute0: did you get my dcc? |
| 14:52.02 | Adriano | you know, if you want the bleeding metal, you know where to find it |
| 14:52.05 | Absolute0 | smacnay: nope |
| 14:52.16 | Adriano | Absolute0 you need to downgrade too |
| 14:52.19 | Arafangion | Absolute0: We dont' support downgrades. |
| 14:52.20 | stew | Absolute0: what did you have in there previously? |
| 14:52.25 | Absolute0 | lenny |
| 14:52.33 | Absolute0 | this stinks... |
| 14:52.41 | Absolute0 | curiosity killed the cat :( |
| 14:52.57 | smacnay | Absolute0: you can't go back... :) |
| 14:52.58 | Adriano | nah, only made it reinstall debian |
| 14:53.08 | stew | Absolute0: this means that for the packages you have installed, there are no newer versions available in etch than in lenny, which is expected |
| 14:53.17 | Arafangion | Absolute0: Well, if something was drawn on a sign and stuck infront of your face, the words "TESTING", what the heck do you think it means? :) |
| 14:53.27 | Bushmills | Absolute0: hang on ... you had lenny before, and you did an dist-upgrade ... that means, you're on sid now? |
| 14:53.29 | Absolute0 | Arafangion: can you please shut the hell up? |
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| 14:53.49 | Arafangion | Absolute0: I've been enjoying myself too much, but I'm going to bed now, so I'll give you a rest :) |
| 14:53.50 | Absolute0 | Arafangion: you keep mentioning that! i just wanted to test it out since it is after all testing |
| 14:53.53 | stew | Arafangion: please keep it constructive |
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| 14:54.15 | Arafangion | stew: As long as Absolute0 doesn't end up giving Unstable a go, I'll consider it constructive :) |
| 14:54.21 | omri | is it possible to do username\password authentication for NFS? |
| 14:54.22 | Arafangion | stew: It's Unstable, you know. :) |
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| 14:54.42 | Absolute0 | smacnay: can you give me that link again? |
| 14:54.48 | Adriano | seriously, though, reinstalling might be a windowsy thing, but it's certainly going to take you less than the alternative |
| 14:54.49 | Absolute0 | i'll just download the files from there |
| 14:54.55 | smacnay | Absolute0: www.khensu.org |
| 14:55.03 | stew | Arafangion: asking him about some non-existent sign isn't, and there was no reason for him to believe that becuase it was labelled testing this would have anything to do with switching to stable, which is what he was asking about |
| 14:55.10 | smacnay | Absolute0: sorry, www.khensu.org/nvidia |
| 14:55.18 | Arafangion | Absolute0: Though, one thing that new users often don't realise about debian, is that while testing eventually becomes stable, sid (unstable) is always sid. It never becomes testing. |
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| 14:55.20 | Bushmills | omri, yes, indirectly. via newgrp |
| 14:55.30 | JordiGH | How can I stitch together a bunch of images into a movie? |
| 14:55.33 | omri | is there a good howto explaining how to do this? |
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| 14:55.57 | smacnay | Absolute0: don't go with sid... you can spend a lot of time dealing with bugs. I am not prepared nor capable so I sit on testing. |
| 14:56.04 | Bushmills | omri: set access privs to allow a certain group only, and give out the pasword to change to that group |
| 14:56.06 | stew | JordiGH: kino perhaps? |
| 14:56.12 | maxamillion | would anyone know where i might find information about running an encrypted file system on an etch installation? |
| 14:56.13 | Adriano | omri: did you read the nfs howto? I don't remember if it talks about it, but... |
| 14:56.24 | JordiGH | stew: Alright, let me check it out... I hope it does Theora. :-) |
| 14:56.41 | Absolute0 | smacnay: you mentioned 3 files... |
| 14:56.43 | Adriano | otherwise, the Linux Network Administrator's Guide should at least give some pointers |
| 14:56.43 | stew | JordiGH: looking at the dependencies, it should |
| 14:56.44 | Absolute0 | i onle see one.. |
| 14:56.54 | Absolute0 | oh now 2 |
| 14:56.55 | Absolute0 | :-P |
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| 14:57.00 | omri | Adriano, no, didn't really need it. NFS is quite simple :) |
| 14:57.03 | JordiGH | stew: I'm reading that opendx could work too... |
| 14:57.05 | omri | I'll read it later, thanks |
| 14:57.16 | Absolute0 | so install glx and legacy? |
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| 14:57.39 | smacnay | Yes, nvidia-kernel-source.100.xx i386.deb, nvidia-glx_100.xx.i386.deb, and nvidia-glx-dev_100.xx.i386.dev |
| 14:57.42 | smacnay | deb |
| 14:57.59 | smacnay | Absolute0: no, not legacy |
| 14:58.08 | gAri- | hi there, I need to set up an encrypted connection between two machines, without password. can somebody give me advice what to search for? |
| 14:58.12 | Bushmills | legacy is for ppl like me |
| 14:58.18 | smacnay | Absolute0: the ones with 100 in their names |
| 14:58.23 | Bushmills | :) |
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| 14:58.37 | smacnay | Absolute0: how old is your nvidia card? |
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| 14:58.52 | smacnay | Absolute0: what is the model number? |
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| 14:59.08 | Absolute0 | smacnay: i need legacy |
| 14:59.12 | Absolute0 | i got the older card.. |
| 14:59.17 | Absolute0 | 96xx |
| 14:59.19 | JordiGH | stew: !! kino has vi keybinding. :-( |
| 14:59.28 | JordiGH | s/:-(/;-) |
| 14:59.30 | Bushmills | that sounds like ATI ... |
| 14:59.36 | _eXoDuS | what card do you have?? |
| 14:59.43 | Absolute0 | do i also install dev? |
| 14:59.47 | smacnay | Absolute0: how old is that? Because the legacy drivers won't install using modules-assistant. |
| 14:59.56 | Absolute0 | ahh shit |
| 15:00.00 | Absolute0 | i wanted to avoid that |
| 15:00.01 | abrotman | there's aonther compare thing .. diff/cmp .. what else ? |
| 15:00.09 | Absolute0 | i didnt do module assist on nvidia... |
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| 15:00.15 | Absolute0 | i just ran apt-get nvida* |
| 15:00.22 | Adriano | gAri- : check ssh, but the "no password" requirementis a bit... |
| 15:00.29 | Absolute0 | seemed simpler :-P |
| 15:00.34 | smacnay | Absolute0: module-assistant is actually really easy |
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| 15:01.30 | JordiGH | Hm, interesting. libquicktime0 is in main. No patent problems with quicktime? |
| 15:01.36 | Absolute0 | smacnay: its simple but it takes a long time.. |
| 15:02.02 | smacnay | Absolute0: I used to do it by hand with make-kpkg but m-a was a real godsend. |
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| 15:03.02 | roxy_ | Arafangion, _eXoDuS: would you know, in the context of project management, something that could help manage, search and stored delivarable documentation ? |
| 15:03.07 | smacnay | Absolute0: you could also try the #nvidia channel and ask there. That is where I got my help installing and fixing the same problem you have now. Or, run with the 'nv' driver until the nvidia maintainers fix the break. |
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| 15:03.30 | Adriano | JordiGH: I don't think the implementation of quicktime is complete |
| 15:03.45 | Adriano | but it's most probably unencumbered |
| 15:03.53 | _eXoDuS | roxy_: a wiki? |
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| 15:04.40 | Absolute0 | why the hell i can't go back to etch?? |
| 15:04.46 | Adriano | roxy_ what about CMS do you want to know? |
| 15:04.47 | abrotman | downgrade not possible |
| 15:04.59 | Absolute0 | doesnt it check all the etch pkgs and install whats latest in there? |
| 15:05.12 | _eXoDuS | nope |
| 15:05.16 | _eXoDuS | apt-get doesnt downgrade |
| 15:05.16 | Absolute0 | abrotman: i believe thats a debian flaw :( |
| 15:05.26 | _eXoDuS | not really |
| 15:05.33 | _eXoDuS | if you installed a deb from another source |
| 15:05.37 | JordiGH | stew: Hm. I'm not seeing anything about kino being able to put together a movie from many images. |
| 15:05.41 | _eXoDuS | with a higher version number |
| 15:05.48 | _eXoDuS | you wouldnt want apt-get to downgrade it in each update |
| 15:05.56 | Absolute0 | _eXoDuS: not really? i made a mistake and now i wanna go back but wait i cant! :) |
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| 15:06.09 | _eXoDuS | you *can* |
| 15:06.09 | Adriano | I think you can pin packages to avoid that |
| 15:06.16 | _eXoDuS | but it's gonna require lots of knowledge and time :) |
| 15:06.19 | JordiGH | Adriano: I thought that patents made it illegal to even attempt to implement a version of a proprietary codec. But I guess you're right that quicktime must be unencumbered. |
| 15:06.25 | abrotman | Absolute0: have you ever tried to downgrade another OS ? |
| 15:06.26 | _eXoDuS | I've gone from deb to ubuntu and from ubuntu back to deb |
| 15:06.28 | Adriano | but I'm not sure about it on a downgrade |
| 15:06.29 | _eXoDuS | without reinstalling |
| 15:06.31 | Absolute0 | fuck it i am gonna reboot with the install cd and do everyhint allll over again :( |
| 15:06.33 | _eXoDuS | it's just a pain in the ass |
| 15:07.03 | Adriano | Absolute0: just make a backup of the config files |
| 15:07.12 | Absolute0 | abrotman: you can downgrade pkgs in archlinux.. |
| 15:07.16 | Adriano | and replace them |
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| 15:07.23 | _eXoDuS | Absolute0: you CAN downgrade a package dude |
| 15:07.25 | _eXoDuS | but manually |
| 15:07.28 | _eXoDuS | not automatically |
| 15:07.32 | _eXoDuS | --force-downgrade |
| 15:07.38 | _eXoDuS | read the man page |
| 15:07.50 | abrotman | Absolute0: the OS .. nto a package |
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| 15:08.57 | roxy_ | _eXoDuS: wiki is good but my user may not all be able/willing to use one. Something accepting .pdf or .doc would be nicer. |
| 15:08.57 | roxy_ | Adriano: we're using spip but no searching of .doc or .pdf. |
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| 15:09.27 | jeremy_g | I tried to apt-cache search libssl and others |
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| 15:09.54 | jeremy_g | then apt-get install -ssl-lib-from-above |
| 15:09.59 | jeremy_g | but had a lot of dependency issues |
| 15:10.07 | jeremy_g | :( |
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| 15:11.25 | mord | oversimplified question, need a simple yes/no answer. i have 24 machines running mostly fedora/something loosely based on fedora. they form 2 clusters, 10 each and the four extras are for apache, bind et cetera. q: am i going to be in a world of pain if i have to convert these boxes to debian within 2 weeks? |
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| 15:12.16 | Haris | Hello folks |
| 15:12.32 | maxamillion | mord: no |
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| 15:12.46 | n30 | mord: not if you backup your config-files :) |
| 15:12.53 | Bushmills | opinion fishing ... what simple wiki, other than kwiki, would one consider to install on a server which is accessable from a residential LAN only? |
| 15:12.58 | maxamillion | mord: well, you will be in about as much pain as it takes to backup configs and install the right packages |
| 15:13.06 | maxamillion | bah, n30 beat me to it :P |
| 15:13.09 | n30 | hihi :) |
| 15:13.16 | maxamillion | hello |
| 15:13.36 | maxamillion | Bushmills: define "simple" |
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| 15:13.41 | mord | maxamillion, n30: of course i keep constant backups :p. just wondering about all the custom scripts and stuff sort of depend on files not being where they tend to be on debian |
| 15:14.00 | mord | is there a map or something on how to find one's way around deb after deadrat? :D |
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| 15:14.09 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 15:14.10 | dpkg | i guess refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 15:14.11 | mord | one thing that puzzles me is dumping initV |
| 15:14.18 | mord | dpkg: ty |
| 15:14.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, ty is thank you, or cobb -- a baseball player, or the company that creates Beanie Babies(TM) |
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| 15:14.22 | stew | mord: dumping? |
| 15:14.25 | stew | !red hat tools |
| 15:14.26 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc. in more recent debian versions /etc/init.d/rc.local exists, see the script for more info |
| 15:14.35 | Bushmills | maxamillion: just the essentials. links, images, bullets, bold, underscore, italics, full text search, maybe RCS support ... |
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| 15:14.59 | mord | ok. so it's feasible |
| 15:15.05 | stew | mord: and install apt-howto-en and read those docs |
| 15:15.12 | Haris | A client has this going through their mind. Scenario: I have a server on debian, I want to move off this server onto a Windows server which has vmware running and debian installed on one instance on it. I have a full back tar of the original debian server, which also has a kernel compiled specially for raid. Will restoring this kernel on a new hardware and environment cause problems for me? |
| 15:15.12 | maxamillion | Bushmills: well, i personally think moinmoin is a solid wiki, but its extremely feature rich (though, thanks to apt it isn't very hard to get up and running) |
| 15:15.19 | JordiGH | Hm. swftools could generate a swf movie. |
| 15:15.30 | JordiGH | Which hopefully gnash could display... |
| 15:15.34 | Bushmills | maxamillion: overkill, i'm afraid. |
| 15:15.35 | stew | JordiGH: i have no idea about kino, it was merely a guess |
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| 15:15.54 | mord | stew: fiddled a bit around with ubuntu (i know not debian) so i sorta have a feeling of how it works. everything seems just so Debian Way(tm) (don't get me started on dash and legacy scripts ;) |
| 15:16.12 | maxamillion | Haris: don't hold me to it, but i think the kernel won't boot |
| 15:16.14 | artagnon | How can I get the wmv9 codec? I need it to encode a wmv file out of its present file format |
| 15:16.25 | abrotman | !tell artagnon about w32codecs |
| 15:16.28 | smacnay | Which apache2 version is best suited for a small home network? |
| 15:16.34 | JordiGH | Ubuntu feels very unlike Debian to me at times. I had issues with a known bug in its kernel that made laptop overheat. etch didn't have this problem. |
| 15:16.46 | Haris | maxamillion: Ok, if I don't use this kernel, then it'll work fine? |
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| 15:17.03 | artagnon | abrotman: Right. Thanks |
| 15:17.08 | mord | artagnon: http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/ might be helpful |
| 15:17.19 | Haris | assuming I"m using the default that will come with the debian install in vm |
| 15:17.22 | maxamillion | Haris: i can't promise that ... but you would probably have a better chance of success |
| 15:17.34 | maxamillion | Haris: yes, that would probably work |
| 15:17.41 | Bushmills | i might look at dokiwiki |
| 15:17.45 | Bushmills | doku... |
| 15:17.49 | artagnon | mord: I'll have a look, thanks |
| 15:17.49 | maxamillion | Haris: honestly, i would do a fresh install on the vmware and just copy the data over |
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| 15:17.56 | Haris | Then I can later on manually re-compile the kernel for all kinds of optimizations and bla bla and it would work smooth? |
| 15:18.34 | Bushmills | Haris: you can compile your own kernel when it suits you |
| 15:18.41 | wols_ | !gentoosmite Haris |
| 15:18.52 | JordiGH | In case anyone cares, Beryl's water effect: http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/beryl-water.mpeg |
| 15:18.56 | Haris | haha! |
| 15:19.16 | Bushmills | uhhhh... no dokuwiki ! |
| 15:19.24 | wols_ | Is there a howto how tu _use_ beryl? I got it installed just fine but how would I actually use it? |
| 15:19.25 | JordiGH | The actual framerate doesn't actually look that bad at all, it just got slow when I was doing the video capture. |
| 15:19.27 | Bushmills | it wants *php* |
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| 15:19.45 | JordiGH | wols_: Poke around the beryl manager. The shortcuts are all there. |
| 15:20.20 | JordiGH | wols_: Mouse to the top right corner is the expose effect, very useful. You'll probably eventually find that out by accident, though. |
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| 15:23.39 | wydd | On stable each I had to edit /etc/gtk-2/gtk-immodules to get c-cedilla working (otherwise I had an acute over the c); now after my dist-upgrade to lenny I got back my broken c-cedilla and the former file does not existe any longer. Help needed, please. |
| 15:24.11 | JordiGH | wydd: You type the cedilla with dead keys? |
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| 15:24.15 | suppaman | hi |
| 15:24.24 | JordiGH | ççç |
| 15:24.28 | wydd | JordiGH, yes, deadkeus, US-intl |
| 15:24.42 | Adriano | suppaman: hi, just aaask. |
| 15:24.44 | wydd | But I got ć instead of ç |
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| 15:24.57 | suppaman | Adrian: what ? |
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| 15:25.18 | wydd | JordiGH, it was korking ok before dist-upgrade to lenny |
| 15:25.19 | JordiGH | wydd: Hm. Sorry. I can't help. |
| 15:25.22 | suppaman | Adriano: I meant you |
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| 15:26.00 | Adriano | suppaman: I know, I meant, just go ahead and ask if you have any questions |
| 15:26.13 | suppaman | Adriano: not for now, thanks |
| 15:26.27 | wydd | Anyone with c-cedilla problem with lenny??? |
| 15:26.28 | suppaman | Adriano: my install was even too smooth |
| 15:26.36 | stew | wydd: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:27.27 | JordiGH | How do deadkeys work anyways? I guess I know how to use xmodmap to remap keys, but how do you remap deadkeys? |
| 15:27.40 | suppaman | Adriano: actually I have a problem but I don't think it's debian-related: I cannot acces to my debian share via samba on user home |
| 15:28.02 | suppaman | Adriano: though I can acces the public share, i.e. the one with guest ok = yes in config |
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| 15:33.30 | JordiGH | stew: mencoder can do it. |
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| 15:34.02 | Adriano | JordiGH : I think that using a layout that interprets them correctly would be easiest |
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| 15:34.23 | Adriano | after all, they are swappable |
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| 15:35.01 | Adriano | otherwise, the answer might lie with /usr/something/Xsomething/xkb/ and the like |
| 15:35.14 | Adriano | suppaman sorry, can't help much there |
| 15:35.51 | Adriano | I've had to touch xkb a few times, but I always managed to forget what I did soon enough |
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| 15:38.29 | Zvpun | is there a viewer like xdvi that updates if the document changes for pdf files? |
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| 15:39.09 | ramiro | when I run "last", I see this : "root pts/0 amontpellier-257" ... how to know the ip number ??? |
| 15:39.26 | JordiGH | Zvpun: kpdf does it. I think xpdf does it too. |
| 15:39.54 | JordiGH | Zvpun: You be a-TeXXin', eh? |
| 15:40.02 | Zvpun | JordiGH: what? |
| 15:40.23 | JordiGH | Zvpun: Nothing. I was trying to be funny and ask you if you were writing something in (La)TeX. |
| 15:41.04 | abrotman | ramiro: COLUMNS=200 last .. do you get the full hostname ? |
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| 15:42.10 | Zvpun | JordiGH: ah, okay, sorry I am not a native speaker |
| 15:42.38 | JordiGH | Neither am I. Except when it's in my best interest to declare that I am. |
| 15:42.40 | ramiro | <abrotman> no |
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| 15:44.09 | ramiro | <abrotman> sorry, this is : montpellier-257-1-113-21.w90-0.abo.wanadoo.fr |
| 15:44.35 | abrotman | oh .. so do an nslookup or host or dig |
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| 15:57.37 | ramiro | <abrotman> but.. is there a way to log only the Ip number, instead the hostname ? |
| 15:59.02 | abrotman | ramiro: oh .. never looked |
| 15:59.44 | abrotman | ramiro: last -i .. man last |
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| 16:00.39 | ramiro | <abrotman> great !!! thank |
| 16:00.54 | stew | ramiro: btw. when you say "<abrotman>" it looks like you misquoting him, please use "abrotman:" or "abrotman,", your' client should make this easy for you if you use the tab key to complete his name |
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| 16:02.26 | abrotman | cute |
| 16:03.02 | fsteves | Guys, I have a few questions before I delve into a project. I have a rsync'd copy of one drive on another physical drive. If I were to chroot into that drive and do a dist-upgrade on it, would that even work? I want to test the dist-upgrade against a live system, without affecting my other system |
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| 16:03.37 | blinx | I want to check the security of my html login field. Which tool you can recommend to use like a "hacker"? |
| 16:03.47 | fsteves | Really, I want to minimize downtime, and maximize the upgrade |
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| 16:11.37 | karmatronic | hello |
| 16:11.55 | themill | Zvpun: kdvi works nicely |
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| 16:13.14 | alazred | hi everyone |
| 16:14.09 | maxamillion | alazred: hi hi |
| 16:14.26 | alazred | i'm a bit noob with debian and i need your help to get some source to put in my source.list |
| 16:14.57 | alazred | im using etch 4.0 |
| 16:15.02 | maxamillion | alazred: ok, what all do you need? |
| 16:15.27 | De_Mon | alazred try apt-setup |
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| 16:16.14 | alazred | command not found |
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| 16:16.44 | alazred | De_Mon, it dont work it say command not found |
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| 16:17.05 | maxamillion | alazred: here is my current etch sources.list ... http://pastebin.ca/600033 |
| 16:17.16 | maxamillion | everything i need, nothing i don't :) |
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| 16:17.48 | alazred | ok ty maxamillion |
| 16:18.09 | maxamillion | alazred: no problem |
| 16:19.53 | cydork | De_Mon: apt-setup is not in etch |
| 16:20.00 | cydork | alazred: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 16:21.49 | SR71-Blackbird | !beer alazred |
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| 16:27.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone give me a hand with this? http://pastebin.ca/600047 |
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| 16:33.19 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: doesn't look very debian specific |
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| 16:33.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: No, but it's supposed to compile on all systems. Anyway, I figured it out - I used qmake instead of qmake-qt4. Once I used the latter, it worked. |
| 16:34.32 | jelly-home | great |
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| 16:38.37 | alazred | SR71-Blackbird, ?? |
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| 16:39.13 | SR71-Blackbird | alazred, hah.. never mind.. |
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| 16:39.58 | alazred | SR71-Blackbird, you like beer ?? |
| 16:40.31 | alazred | SR71-Blackbird, if yes you probably know unibroue !?! |
| 16:40.41 | SR71-Blackbird | alazred, why? |
| 16:40.49 | SR71-Blackbird | alazred, yeah i like beer |
| 16:41.29 | alazred | SR71-Blackbird, its my job to brew beer !! |
| 16:41.36 | alazred | for unibroue |
| 16:41.43 | alazred | lol |
| 16:41.52 | azeem | alazred: please keep it on topic |
| 16:41.58 | alazred | sry |
| 16:42.13 | alazred | azeem, |
| 16:42.58 | alazred | so i still need help to get more sources in my sources.list |
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| 16:45.27 | suppaman_ | alazred: add them, then |
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| 16:45.52 | chrisjs169 | what daemon controls the cd drive? |
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| 16:46.04 | HyperDevil | rm: argument list to long.. how can i delete things then? |
| 16:46.04 | alazred | suppaman, where can i find them ?? |
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| 16:46.22 | De_Mon | cydork it was there when etch was unstable -- why is it removed? |
| 16:46.32 | fantomas | Hi. Debian-live question. Does anybody know the password of the root? >:-| |
| 16:46.50 | irule | what is the document root in apache2 at debian sarge 3.1? |
| 16:46.59 | dimsuz | hi! when I do aptitude upgrade it suggests to remove several packages which I actually use (k3b,kmail etc). How to fine tune this? |
| 16:47.36 | karsten | dimsuz: Install after upgrade, or mark them "hold". |
| 16:47.38 | \amethyst | dimsuz: at the y/n/? prompt, type +k3b kmail etc etc |
| 16:48.03 | karsten | dimsuz: I'd strongly recommend you use aptitude rather than apt-get, particularly once you start using aptitude. What release are you aon? |
| 16:48.04 | De_Mon | dimsuz have you tried aptitude install k3b kmail etc? |
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| 16:48.25 | \amethyst | dimsuz: probably they're marked as automatically installed, and a package that depends on them is being removed for dependency reasons |
| 16:48.29 | karsten | Hrm: how doyou check the installed / installed to satisfy deps status of a given package? |
| 16:48.40 | chrisjs169 | \amethyst: remember me from yesterday? (usb problem) |
| 16:48.51 | dimsuz | karsten: i'm on testing |
| 16:49.05 | \amethyst | chrisjs169: needed to run udev? |
| 16:49.07 | suppaman_ | alazred: I think it depends on what software are you searching |
| 16:49.15 | karsten | dimsuz: What De_Mon and \amethyst have suggested as well as my own comments. |
| 16:49.23 | chrisjs169 | \amethyst: yeah |
| 16:49.24 | dimsuz | \amethyst: probably. but seems like they arent. i installed them using apt-get install manually |
| 16:49.48 | \amethyst | karsten: aptitude show package | grep "^Automatically" |
| 16:49.57 | dimsuz | De_Mon: nice tip! so if it removes it I should do aptitude install, yes? |
| 16:50.02 | karsten | \amethyst: Danke |
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| 16:50.10 | karsten | dimsuz: Yes. |
| 16:50.12 | alazred | suppaman_, ok ty |
| 16:50.36 | dimsuz | \amethyst, karsten, De_Mon; thanks, guys! :) |
| 16:50.38 | suppaman_ | alazred: are you searching something specific ? |
| 16:50.58 | chrisjs169 | \amethyst: any ideas on what service/daemon controls the CD/DVD drive? =) |
| 16:51.14 | \amethyst | chrisjs169: controls it how? |
| 16:51.17 | dimsuz | does anyone use initng with Debian? how well it works? |
| 16:51.22 | alazred | Suppaman madwifi for atheros card |
| 16:51.32 | \amethyst | chrisjs169: same issue with missing device nodes? |
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| 16:52.05 | [Nande] | hi, i have a problem with compiz on debian 2.6.18-4-486 testing , the desktop "freezes" (only draws the windows when i move them) anyone have a tip? |
| 16:52.31 | chrisjs169 | \amethyst: yeah |
| 16:52.40 | \amethyst | chrisjs169: that's also handled by udev |
| 16:52.46 | chrisjs169 | \amethyst: weird |
| 16:53.02 | chrisjs169 | \amethyst: I probably should just restart this computer, clear up all the problems |
| 16:53.09 | suppaman_ | alazred: it seems that a repository is at http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi |
| 16:53.17 | \amethyst | chrisjs169: if udev is running, you could try looking in /dev/disk/by-id/, that lists all the disks udev knows about |
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| 16:53.55 | alazred | suppaman_, ty |
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| 16:54.13 | chrisjs169 | \amethyst: I tried restarting udev again and it worked - I still think I might as well just restart the computer |
| 16:54.28 | \amethyst | chrisjs169: probably wouldn't hurt :) |
| 16:54.32 | \amethyst | anyway, I've gtg |
| 16:54.38 | \amethyst | chrisjs169: good luck |
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| 17:00.45 | SR71-Blackbird | alazred, haha.. like moe? |
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| 17:01.43 | alazred | SR71-Blackbird, i dont sell i brew !!! in the brewhouse !! |
| 17:02.17 | SR71-Blackbird | alazred, ohh... |
| 17:02.33 | SR71-Blackbird | alazred, making beer must be real fun |
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| 17:02.46 | alazred | SR71-Blackbird, yeah ! |
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| 17:06.07 | karsten | SR71-Blackbird: http://www.voidspace.org.uk/gallery/silly/big_cup_of_STFU.jpg |
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| 17:07.11 | SR71-Blackbird | karsten, hah.. |
| 17:07.12 | tech13 | i'm trying to use xargs and replace together. how do I get this to work? the double dash isn't being sent to replace. find . .... | xargs replace "a" "b" -- |
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| 17:07.43 | mancubus | Sirs! I have strange issue. When I try run "Skype" DEBIAN return me "Floating point exception". Starce stops on .Xauthoruty file. Does any meet same issue??? |
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| 17:09.37 | maxamillion | anyone have any experience with encrypted file systems? |
| 17:09.52 | rahul | mancubus: try #skype... maybe they know of a specific binary for debian |
| 17:10.15 | mancubus | rahul, i have same issue for "kate" |
| 17:10.23 | rahul | dunno what kate is |
| 17:10.23 | maxamillion | i am installing right now and i chose the option to do use LVM with encrypted file system and it is erasing the drive right now, i was wondering if everything from here was rather straight forward or if there is documentation somewhere i needed to be reading |
| 17:10.37 | rahul | but if she has a hot ass, I'm there |
| 17:10.55 | maxamillion | rahul: if my memory serves me correctly, kate is a text editor for kde |
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| 17:11.02 | jdolan_ | how do i query available packages? i don't see a search command in apt-get's man page. |
| 17:11.02 | maxamillion | rahul: kinda like gedit |
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| 17:11.17 | karsten | More signs like this: http://www.fortliberty.org/patriotic-humor/patriotic-pictures/this-sign-has-sharp-edges.jpg |
| 17:11.18 | maxamillion | jdolan_: "apt-cache search <package>" |
| 17:11.24 | jdolan_ | maxamillion, thanks! |
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| 17:11.29 | maxamillion | jdolan_: no problem :) |
| 17:11.30 | rahul | mancubus: same issue with reading xauthority and getting sigfpe? |
| 17:11.47 | [Nande] | hi, i have a problem with compiz on debian 2.6.18-4-486 testing , the desktop "freezes" (only draws the windows when i move them) anyone have a tip? |
| 17:12.36 | mancubus | rahul, Yes. Strace says "--- SIGFPE (Floating point exception) @ 0 (0) ---" Do you know solution? |
| 17:12.50 | piti | Hi everyone. I'd like to do some music with my debian box, but I've find somewhere I need a "special kernel" which is specially tuned to realtime use. where may I find this kind of, or what should I do ? |
| 17:12.56 | rahul | I never understood why sigfpes were signalled in totally random situations :\ |
| 17:13.09 | Spyro_boy | <3 |
| 17:13.16 | rahul | piti: why do you think you need that? |
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| 17:13.36 | cahoot | mancubus, checked who owns ~/.Xauthority? |
| 17:13.42 | rahul | piti: what kind of guaranteed-latency kind of tasks will you need to do? |
| 17:14.02 | piti | rahul: I'd like to make live music (ie rosgarden and zynaddsubfx) |
| 17:14.12 | rahul | ok |
| 17:14.21 | rahul | piti: maybe people are in #rtlinux |
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| 17:14.40 | rahul | piti: then, check out debian's kernel-package |
| 17:14.48 | piti | rahul : thanks I did'nt knew such a channel exists... |
| 17:14.50 | rahul | !tell piti about kernel-package |
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| 17:16.03 | mancubus | cahoot, I'm owner |
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| 17:18.46 | jeward | I installed xfce4, then xdm, but the only way I can get X to start is as root. |
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| 17:19.15 | jeward | What did I do wrong? (PPC eMac)? |
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| 17:20.01 | rahul | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common, I think |
| 17:20.18 | rahul | you need to allow people to start X from the console, regardless of user |
| 17:20.28 | jeward | rahul: I'll try that, one moment. |
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| 17:22.25 | jeward | rahul: Package `xserver-common' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 17:22.31 | rahul | hrm |
| 17:22.45 | jeward | rahul: And it says it's not something I can install. |
| 17:22.47 | cahoot | xserver-xorg? |
| 17:22.49 | rahul | right |
| 17:22.55 | jeward | Okie, one sec. |
| 17:22.57 | rahul | cahoot: no, whatever has the wrapper |
| 17:22.58 | hark | x11-common |
| 17:23.05 | cahoot | ok |
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| 17:25.13 | jeward | rahul: Same error. |
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| 17:26.00 | jeward | rahul: It's unable to load/run a module. |
| 17:26.21 | rahul | oh that's different |
| 17:26.33 | HardDisk_WP | hi, i found a bug in the manpage of xrandr (debian testing) |
| 17:26.54 | HardDisk_WP | in the last section:"They are still valid for newer X servers, but they don’t" |
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| 17:27.00 | Hillview_ | hi.. I have a program (on lenny, amd64) that I'm trying to use.. but it kills x with http://www.pastebin.ca/600130 - any ideas? |
| 17:27.01 | HardDisk_WP | the last words are missing |
| 17:27.26 | rahul | what module? |
| 17:27.51 | jeward | rahul: One that isn't on the disk... |
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| 17:28.18 | AndroidData | Um. Is there any way to ´revert´ Debian? :\ |
| 17:28.47 | AndroidData | To reinstall it without actrually reformatting everything and... reinstalling it. To, like, --purge remove all custom packages installed? |
| 17:28.51 | rahul | jeward: then don't load it, heh |
| 17:28.55 | kingsley | Sound stops working intermittently on my computer. Should I try changing the default driver from "alsa09" to "alsa" in /etc/libao.conf? |
| 17:29.13 | jeward | rahul: It only tries to load it if X is no started as root. |
| 17:29.16 | jeward | nor |
| 17:29.17 | jeward | not |
| 17:29.26 | rahul | jeward: that's... strange... |
| 17:29.35 | jeward | rahul: Very. |
| 17:29.53 | rahul | so um... what module? |
| 17:30.04 | jeward | Okay, let me reproduce the error. |
| 17:30.12 | kingsley | Is there a utility that accepts a package name as a parameter and returns a status of 0 if the latest version of that package is installed? |
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| 17:30.58 | jeward | rahul: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 17:31.04 | pickcoder | AndroidData: if you have plenty of free time, sure |
| 17:31.15 | jeward | rahul: Didn't see that before... |
| 17:31.33 | rahul | jeward: that's the setting I'm talking about |
| 17:32.13 | jeward | rahul: And that's set in the reconfigure? |
| 17:32.24 | rahul | yeah... just can't figure out which package :\ |
| 17:32.30 | jeward | Let me reconfigure from the console, I couldn't see everything from a remote login. |
| 17:32.32 | pickcoder | AndroidData: dpkg will let you do whatever you want with the installed packages.. you will have to manually fix broken dependencies |
| 17:32.55 | rahul | jeward: it's probably x11-common |
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| 17:34.22 | jeward | Found it! Thanks! |
| 17:34.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | I think my computer was broken into somehow (SSH is not running... rsync was, but I turned that off.. not sure if that's how they got in.) I'm behind a NAT router. |
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| 17:35.05 | massi | hi guys, could you suggest a good newsread for X? |
| 17:35.06 | rahul | my ass just got badgered |
| 17:35.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | There's a file in my home directory that is surely not mine |
| 17:35.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | It contains links to megaupload |
| 17:35.15 | rahul | massi: gnus |
| 17:35.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | What do I do? |
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| 17:35.38 | Enverex | Dark_Apostrophe, Cry. Then run rkhunter |
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| 17:35.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | WTF?! rkhunter isn't installed?! |
| 17:36.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | I had it installed! |
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| 17:36.18 | zinx | Dark: disconnect it from the internet, then reinstall |
| 17:36.23 | pickcoder | Dark_Apostrophe: you may want to boot from a live CD and run it |
| 17:36.24 | massi | rahul: thank you |
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| 17:36.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | :( |
| 17:36.44 | Enverex | Dark_Apostrophe, Did you have an easy password? |
| 17:36.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | No, alphanumeric 12-digit |
| 17:37.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | Both user and root password |
| 17:37.13 | aadil | as in 5h4d0wf4X? |
| 17:37.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah |
| 17:37.19 | aadil | :3 |
| 17:37.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | Wait |
| 17:37.28 | aadil | no wonder they got in some easily |
| 17:37.29 | aadil | :D |
| 17:37.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | Not that easy, that's 1337 :P |
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| 17:37.43 | trader_poon | hey guys...I'm trying to setup a script in cron to run every 10 minutes |
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| 17:38.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | aadil: How did you know my hostname? |
| 17:38.16 | trader_poon | I have the following line entry in crontab: 10 * * * * root /var/local/scripts/run_script |
| 17:38.27 | trader_poon | right now, its running every hour at 10 minutes past.... |
| 17:38.32 | trader_poon | did I set it up wrong? |
| 17:38.38 | alt_nick | trader_poon: */10 instead of 10 |
| 17:38.46 | aadil | wow, i know ur hostname? |
| 17:38.52 | abrotman | trader_poon: what did you want it to do ? |
| 17:38.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah, Shadowfax |
| 17:38.57 | aadil | i guess i teh 1337 |
| 17:39.01 | pickcoder | trader_poon: or list each 10-minute interval, separated by commans |
| 17:39.03 | aadil | :D |
| 17:39.18 | trader_poon | okay |
| 17:39.25 | trader_poon | so 10,20,30,40,50 |
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| 17:39.56 | pickcoder | if you want 0, 10 ,20, then use */10 |
| 17:40.04 | Danielss89 | how do i send a test email with postfix from SSH? |
| 17:40.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | aadil: How did you know? |
| 17:40.18 | aadil | Dark_Apostrophe, dunno what u are talking about |
| 17:40.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | aadil: How did you know my hostname? |
| 17:41.02 | abrotman | !smtp test |
| 17:41.02 | dpkg | "telnet myserver 25", "HELO world", "MAIL FROM:<evil@spammer.org>", "RCPT TO:<a@fake.address>", "DATA", "Subject: spam test", "", ".", "QUIT" |
| 17:41.13 | aadil | i just guessed |
| 17:41.14 | aadil | :p |
| 17:41.21 | aadil | kinda lame if u want to know |
| 17:41.22 | aadil | :p |
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| 17:42.07 | trader_poon | thanks guys! |
| 17:42.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | aadil: Ok, but I use random passwords of the kind you see on grc.com/passwords |
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| 17:43.30 | aadil | u probably have a Frodo Baggins pyjamas too |
| 17:43.33 | aadil | :> |
| 17:43.33 | EMPER0R | hi anyone active to can help me with my debmirror command line.. -> http://pastebin.ca/600153 i'm trying to make a new mirror and just out this |
| 17:43.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | aadil: That hostname is as far as my LOTR mania goes |
| 17:43.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | I haven't seen the movies in ages |
| 17:44.02 | aadil | :D |
| 17:44.03 | aadil | oki |
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| 17:44.58 | abrotman | EMPER0R: uhm .. ask #ubuntu ? |
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| 17:45.24 | EMPER0R | for what? the dist not import.. debmirror command is the problem |
| 17:45.40 | abrotman | it is if they've patched it |
| 17:45.57 | dkr | EMPER0R: the distro is important so us, though |
| 17:46.04 | EMPER0R | i'm use debian.. just have make a ubuntu mirror.. |
| 17:46.05 | dkr | s/so/to/ |
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| 17:46.17 | EMPER0R | so have to use debmirror package of debian |
| 17:46.42 | abrotman | !apt-key 437D05B5 |
| 17:46.42 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 437D05B5 ; gpg --export 437D05B5 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 17:46.48 | EMPER0R | some days ago worked.. don't know what happend now |
| 17:46.49 | Hillview_ | http://www.pastebin.ca/600130 <-- anyone able to point me in the right direction to figure this out? |
| 17:47.21 | abrotman | Hillview_: is that the whole error ? |
| 17:47.31 | Hillview_ | abrotman, near as I can tell.. |
| 17:47.34 | abrotman | DRI shouldn't be a fatal error AFAIK |
| 17:48.05 | abrotman | Hillview_: look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 17:49.49 | Hillview | abrotman, this log file rebuilts each time X starts? |
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| 17:52.12 | abrotman | yes |
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| 17:53.45 | Hillview | ok, I'll have to grab it. brb. |
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| 17:55.56 | abrotman | that was fast |
| 17:56.00 | Hillview | abrotman, looks the same. new pastebin coming. |
| 17:56.39 | Hillview | eh, kill X, grab the logfile, starx ;) |
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| 17:58.41 | Hillview | http://www.pastebin.ca/600193 |
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| 18:00.42 | doudou | I have installed qemu, but it says kqemu is not present, i tried to find kqemu, and to search google |
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| 18:01.50 | abrotman | Hillview: for starters .. it doesn't look like your nvidia driver is installed correctly .. secondly .. i'm not even sure if the binary nvidia drivers work with aiglx |
| 18:02.04 | abrotman | Hillview: see around line 412 |
| 18:02.05 | doudou | !qemu |
| 18:02.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qemu is a fast PC emulator that can be found at http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/, or the KQEMU accelerator is now released under GPL (previously proprietary). |
| 18:02.11 | junix-other | my machine is keeps locking up, while using stable...i'm not sure why, could it be the ACPI? |
| 18:02.34 | abrotman | doudou: m-a a-i kqemu |
| 18:02.41 | Hillview | hmm.. I know it's worked on other distro's.. |
| 18:02.58 | Hillview | oh, snap. I never reinstalled it after I dist-upgrade to lenny. |
| 18:03.35 | davidL | clear |
| 18:03.40 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:03.40 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
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| 18:04.49 | doudou | deb:/home/doudou# m-a a-i kqemu |
| 18:04.52 | doudou | kqemu, qu'est-ce que kqemu ? |
| 18:05.00 | Hillview | abrotman, I'm using nvidia's binary DL driver, and I don't think I reinstalled after dist-upgrade. going to give that a go and see what haps... thanks. |
| 18:05.05 | abrotman | !info kqemu-source etch |
| 18:05.09 | abrotman | Hillview: ah ok |
| 18:05.30 | dpkg | kqemu-source: (Source for the QEMU Accelerator module), section non-free/misc, is optional. Version: 1.3.0~pre9-12 (etch), Packaged size: 123 kB, Installed size: 164 kB |
| 18:05.38 | abrotman | doudou: you need non-free sources |
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| 18:06.40 | doudou | abrotman, but dpkg told it is GPL now, GPL is not enought free? |
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| 18:08.03 | tvynr | Anyone have any ideas how I tell whether or not my box is properly recognizing my fax modem? |
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| 18:08.25 | tvynr | I see it under lspci and setserial seems to know it's there, but I'm not sure how to verify the system can use it before setting up Hylafax. |
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| 18:09.27 | doudou | abrotman, what should i do if i want kqemu, i started to install debian from debian with qemu but it is very slow |
| 18:09.31 | Hillview | abrotman, that was it.. working fine now, ty. |
| 18:10.03 | abrotman | doudou: i just told you |
| 18:10.05 | abrotman | Hillview: enjoy |
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| 18:10.26 | abrotman | doudou: ah .. it was NOT GPLed before etch's release though .. or not in time |
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| 18:10.50 | doudou | abrotman, ok, so i must find sources and install this way? |
| 18:10.54 | Hillview | abrotman, something about watching a penguin careening headfirst down a hill makes it all worthwhile... ;) |
| 18:12.14 | abrotman | doudou: i told you .. add non-free sources .. use `m-a a-i kqemu` |
| 18:12.19 | abrotman | Hillview: heh |
| 18:14.57 | doudou | abrotman, i try and gave you the answer of command : m-a a-i kqemu answer is kqemu, qu'est-ce que kqemu (meaning kqemu what is kqemu) |
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| 18:16.06 | msetim | Is there anyone that have a Keyspan Remote Control? |
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| 18:16.16 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 18:16.17 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 18:16.45 | doudou | abrotman, i dont understand how it is possible, and who gave this answer (kqemu did?) |
| 18:17.06 | abrotman | !non-free |
| 18:17.06 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
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| 18:17.45 | putridp | Why is opera 'non-free'? |
| 18:17.56 | azeem | putridp: because the source code is proprietary |
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| 18:18.09 | Enverex | "It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it" is that actually true or just written by zealot types? |
| 18:18.24 | azeem | Enverex: that depends on the context |
| 18:18.29 | azeem | ah |
| 18:18.48 | azeem | Enverex: depends on how you define `Debianista' |
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| 18:19.08 | msetim | dpkg: I have a Keyspan Remote Control and I would like to know it work on linux. LIRC doesn't apper support it :( |
| 18:19.17 | Enverex | azeem, It's not even a word! |
| 18:19.18 | abrotman | msetim: dpkg is a bot |
| 18:19.23 | putridp | azeem: ah. shame, best browser about IMHO |
| 18:19.27 | abrotman | neither is enverex |
| 18:19.47 | abrotman | putridp: opera is free, not Free. and IIRC, they don't allow redistribution |
| 18:20.04 | grew | operas rendering sucks |
| 18:20.05 | msetim | abrotman: Ohhh, shame.. heh |
| 18:20.14 | Danielss89 | how do i give a user access to the whole server when ftp'ing? |
| 18:20.23 | tvynr | If I have a device under lspci showing with an I/O port of 0x8000 and an IRQ of 217, do I assume it's not working? |
| 18:20.24 | abrotman | grew: right .. because other browsers have no problem |
| 18:20.30 | abrotman | Danielss89: you don't want to |
| 18:20.42 | grew | abrotman: firefox's rendering is far better than operas |
| 18:20.46 | abrotman | lies! |
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| 18:20.56 | abrotman | they each have issues in different areas IMO |
| 18:21.00 | Enverex | abrotman, That's completely irrelivant. This is a personal name that isn't supposed to mean anything. That's a collective name like "geek" or "idiot" which have a description. |
| 18:21.03 | grew | true |
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| 18:21.10 | grew | ive always found operas font rendering to be ugly |
| 18:21.24 | abrotman | grew: that could have been a config issue on your side |
| 18:21.42 | Enverex | Firefox has slow rendering most the time and crashes often. It used to be such a good browser :( |
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| 18:21.47 | grew | abrotman: howso? |
| 18:21.56 | grew | all others apps are fine |
| 18:21.59 | grew | s/are/were |
| 18:22.00 | stew | i leave firefox running for weeks with no problem |
| 18:22.00 | Danielss89 | abrotman yes i want to :P |
| 18:22.01 | abrotman | grew: it's a Qt app! :) |
| 18:22.08 | Danielss89 | im the only one using the server.. |
| 18:22.08 | grew | ahh |
| 18:22.10 | abrotman | Danielss89: FTP is horribly insecure |
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| 18:22.14 | Danielss89 | :P |
| 18:22.17 | grew | its probably the only qt app i had |
| 18:22.25 | Danielss89 | i think SFTP was very slow.. |
| 18:23.15 | stew | Danielss89: its not very slow |
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| 18:23.32 | Danielss89 | stew ok.. |
| 18:23.45 | abrotman | grew: and i can't say for certain if the Qt font engine is different than the gtk/gnome/x or not |
| 18:23.47 | junix-other | my machine is keeps locking up, while using stable...i'm not sure why, could it be the ACPI? |
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| 18:26.32 | bubux | hey all. i put this on my .bash_aliases file: alias php-gtk2="/usr/bin/php5 -c /etc/php5/cli/php-gtk.ini" but still i don't have that alias in my terminal... can anyone help me? |
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| 18:31.19 | abrotman | bubux: did you logout/login ? |
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| 18:32.09 | deeperror | need to install mssql functions on php...using etch can anyone assist with this? |
| 18:32.19 | abrotman | php5-sybase IIRC |
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| 18:32.21 | deeperror | need mssql_init() function to work or some equivalent |
| 18:32.33 | abrotman | deeperror: apt-cache search php5 mssql |
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| 18:32.49 | putridp | Not really relevant to real-world opera vs firefox, but http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html ;-) |
| 18:33.03 | deeperror | abrotman: nothing comes up |
| 18:33.17 | stew | why doesn't awk have -i like sed? |
| 18:34.29 | abrotman | stew: how do i use cmp/diff to only compare the first N number of chars in a line? :) |
| 18:34.53 | abrotman | oh wait .. maybe -n on cmp |
| 18:35.06 | abrotman | oh .. that's for the whole file .. |
| 18:35.14 | stew | no idea |
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| 18:35.25 | abrotman | stew: awk has no -i ? |
| 18:35.28 | stew | no |
| 18:35.43 | stew | at least no the one i'm looking at, we of course have 3 alternatives |
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| 18:36.11 | Master_Medic | hey |
| 18:36.20 | Master_Medic | i have a 8 button mouse |
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| 18:36.44 | Master_Medic | and i want to make the buttons on the side change to the next and previous workspaces |
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| 18:37.14 | abrotman | grr .. i can't remember the other diff tool |
| 18:37.20 | Master_Medic | but in the window manager keyboard window shortcuts it isnt recognizing the mouse button when i press it |
| 18:37.47 | Master_Medic | the mouse is the logitech mx510 |
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| 18:39.36 | bubux | abrotman: yes... many times.. even restarted =).. i even trid to put it in .bash_profile but no sucess |
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| 18:40.21 | abrotman | is this an xterm ? |
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| 18:40.46 | bubux | abrotman: it's gnome terminal |
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| 18:41.05 | abrotman | isn't .bash_profile just for login shells ? |
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| 18:41.18 | bubux | i dunno =p |
| 18:41.18 | bubux | abrotman: i will create a bash file under /usr/bin/phpgtk2 to start it... i will forget the aliases perhaps =) |
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| 18:43.29 | bubux | abrotman: thanks anway! |
| 18:44.01 | Danielss89 | well abrotman how do i allow a user to go to /var/www/xxx then? |
| 18:44.09 | uruclef | hey guys |
| 18:44.10 | Danielss89 | can i just make a symlink? |
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| 18:44.15 | uruclef | how do I change default X fonts? |
| 18:44.24 | uruclef | the font of firefox menus and such |
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| 18:44.55 | abrotman | Danielss89: you could make it the homedir for the user .. but that's not really a great idea either .. butyou seem very determined |
| 18:44.59 | Capn_Fish | Would editing ~/.gtkrc-2.0 do it? |
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| 18:45.10 | Capn_Fish | I'm not entirely sure. |
| 18:45.29 | Danielss89 | hehe yeah abrotman i need ftp access to that directory with ftp |
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| 18:47.03 | nn_ | why is qiv screwed up in etch? -x -y -z no longer work.. |
| 18:47.46 | Danielss89 | abrotman how can i change the homedir for the user then? |
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| 18:48.11 | flami | Danielss89, edit in the /etc/passwd to change the homedir |
| 18:48.20 | Danielss89 | oki thx |
| 18:48.29 | TrueDD | Salut tous |
| 18:48.35 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 18:48.49 | dkr | nn_: works for me |
| 18:48.56 | Capn_Fish | turedd: hey |
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| 18:50.11 | uruclef | hey guys |
| 18:50.13 | uruclef | how do I change default X fonts? |
| 18:50.17 | uruclef | the font of firefox menus and such |
| 18:50.32 | abrotman | gtk-theme-switch or gtk-theme-switch2 .. i think |
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| 18:51.58 | nn_ | dkr: -x -y -z don't work for me and they are no longer listed in the documentation, however pressing x, y and z while qiv is running still works |
| 18:53.00 | dkr | nn_: oh, I thought you were using those as generic terms for options, what do you think those are supposed to do? |
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| 18:54.20 | dkr | ah, I see, undocumented feature to set as background. heh. never knew of/used that |
| 18:54.27 | nn_ | dkr: set images on the root window |
| 18:54.35 | uruclef | abrotman: thank you a lot .) |
| 18:54.40 | nn_ | they were not undocumented in sarge |
| 18:54.55 | Danielss89 | flami should i restart something after editing? |
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| 18:56.44 | dkr | nn_: well, the functionality is there, as we can see. so perhaps it's just a bug in commandline parsing. check the changelog? |
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| 18:58.57 | Hillview | hm, trying to install vlc in lenny (amd64) and it's not showing up in the testing repos.. any ideas? |
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| 18:59.35 | uruclef | Hillview: have you got debian multimedia repos? |
| 18:59.44 | abrotman | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 18:59.44 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 18:59.54 | stew | !info vlc testing |
| 18:59.57 | abrotman | and there you have it! |
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| 19:00.04 | abrotman | vlc is not yet built on amd64: 0.8.6.a.debian-6 vs 0.8.6.c-1 (missing 9 binaries) |
| 19:00.48 | stew | it was probably bounced out for the jackd transition or something |
| 19:01.24 | Hillview | uruclef, http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main ? |
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| 19:02.29 | abrotman | is vlc even in debian-multimeda ? |
| 19:02.47 | uruclef | yeah Hillview |
| 19:02.52 | uruclef | and yeah abrotman :) |
| 19:02.57 | abrotman | ah .. no |
| 19:03.03 | abrotman | http://mirror.home-dn.net/debian-multimedia/pool/main/v/ |
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| 19:03.20 | uruclef | :| |
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| 19:03.31 | Hillview | hmm, okay. was wondering - I know I've used vlc in other amd64 distros, just not debian? |
| 19:03.51 | abrotman | Hillview: it's not intsallable right now on lenny |
| 19:03.59 | abrotman | such is one of the dangers of using testing |
| 19:04.03 | Hillview | ok, ty. :)\ |
| 19:04.14 | stew | Hillview: no debian distributes it for amd64, its been removed from testing teporarily, probably due to a library transition |
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| 19:05.13 | xand | how can I tell what "hd0,0" type number a harddisk is so that I can add it to menu.lst? |
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| 19:06.04 | stoned | type number? |
| 19:06.06 | stew | xand: lookup the disk name in device.map, then the partitions are 0 indexed |
| 19:06.31 | stew | xand: hd0,0 means the first partition on whatever device is labeled hd0 in the device map |
| 19:06.31 | xand | stoned: I mean what "root" should be in menu.lst for that disk. |
| 19:06.31 | stoned | i see |
| 19:06.49 | xand | stew: it's not in that file |
| 19:07.04 | stew | xand: then edit the file |
| 19:07.11 | lymeca | I have nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 installed, but my nvidia driver isn't working (xorg flips out and complains there's no such thing as nvidia). I have the nvidia module loaded, so that's not the issue. |
| 19:07.13 | xand | but I don't know what to put in there |
| 19:07.30 | xand | oh I ssee |
| 19:07.31 | xand | -s |
| 19:07.38 | lymeca | However I just noticed that I have no nvidia-glx package installed. Do I need that package or will nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 sufffice for all parts of the driver? |
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| 19:08.42 | stoned | my new job kicks ass |
| 19:08.48 | flami | Danielss89, no need to restart , we are not weenydows . |
| 19:09.00 | arcil | i can only access my debian box via the ip in my local network, what do i have to configure to use its network name? do i need the whole samba package or can i do this in a different way |
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| 19:11.39 | Hillview | arcil, unless you're running dns somewhere in your network, you'll need to put it in the hosts file on the box you're trying to access it from, I think..? |
| 19:11.40 | xand | grr |
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| 19:12.55 | pickcoder | arcil: network names are netbios inventions and have nothing to do with DNS |
| 19:13.15 | arcil | Hillview: is it possible to do this like my other windows clients. i know it is possible through the samba package |
| 19:13.24 | arcil | i do not want to add the ip to every client |
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| 19:14.06 | pickcoder | arcil: if you want to browse the netbios shares from windoze, then you have to run the samba server and configure shares |
| 19:14.09 | Hillview | arcil, I think from what pickcoder says you should ignore my suggestion. |
| 19:14.24 | Thursley | Hi, I'm having issues with my laptop's inet connection. During my etch install the internet worked fine off my usb network card. But now I am not able to get it to work. It sees the card when I plug it in, and makes it eth1, but fails to get dhcp offer when I do a "networking restart". Anyone that can give me a few pointers? |
| 19:15.22 | irwiss | Thursley, tried sniffing what you get from dhcp with wireshark/something similar? |
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| 19:16.11 | Thursley | irwiss: no, I'm not a real linux hero :P But, isn't the script/program that the installer uses to get my network card to work available somewhere? |
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| 19:18.36 | irwiss | Thursley, sure, on the installer media ;) I'd try sudo dhclient eth1 and a sniffer on the other end of the cable if that doesn't work. Before messing with that installer spaghetti... |
| 19:18.58 | pickcoder | Thursley: what is in /etc/network/interfaces for eth1? |
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| 19:19.14 | Thursley | hmm I suppose, it's just that my laptop doesn't have a internet connection to download a sniffer and a like |
| 19:19.28 | pickcoder | Thursley: ifconfig -a will list all of your interfaces, whether they are up or down |
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| 19:19.46 | pickcoder | iwconfig will list all interfaces that have loaded wireless extensions |
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| 19:20.15 | Ind[y] | In order for the service mysql to function properly, do I need to have enabled also, mysql-ndb and mysql-ndb-mgm? |
| 19:20.32 | pickcoder | if this is a usb lan adapter, then you won't need iwconfig |
| 19:20.58 | Thursley | pickcoder: "auto eth1\n iface eth1 inet dhcp" and ifconfig shows eth0 and eth1 but without an ip |
| 19:21.15 | Thursley | and "lo" is in interfaces to* |
| 19:21.32 | HardDisk_WP | how do I download & import a GPG key from a keyserver if I know the key ID? |
| 19:21.45 | Lectus | Hello! I installed Debian using the netinst CD. When it tries to configure the network it fails because I don't have DHCP. So it can't download the packages. Now I have base system. I try adsl-setup but the command does not exit. I have a PPPoE connection with dynamic IP. How to configure it so I can download basic packages like window managers, etc? Thanks |
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| 19:22.43 | Sven`home | which package do I need to install to get the python module "japanese"? |
| 19:22.44 | irwiss | Thursley, just wondering, what's eth0? |
| 19:23.00 | Thursley | irwiss: no clue :P something with a long hw address |
| 19:23.54 | roxy_ | How can I check if I have a BOM at the start of a file ? |
| 19:24.19 | Lectus | Anyone? |
| 19:24.24 | irwiss | Thursley, Ah most likely firewire then, it's odd it's loaded first. Did you try setting ip manually? |
| 19:25.18 | Thursley | irwiss: aah that could be yes, firewire. I have tried manually also yes |
| 19:25.31 | roxy_ | in other words, how can I have a look at the file first byte ? |
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| 19:25.36 | Thursley | bit worried I did something wrong, but seems odd the installer was able to get me online without problems |
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| 19:25.55 | pickcoder | Thursley: check dmesg |
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| 19:26.51 | sgeigerbot | What's the best way to find disk space used in a certain directory and subdirectories *while* excluding some of the subdirectories? |
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| 19:27.25 | Thursley | pickcoder: will do, just on a reboot now |
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| 19:28.00 | dkr | sgeigerbot: cd dir; du subdirIwant anothersubdirIwant :) |
| 19:28.30 | sgeigerbot | dkr: not an option. |
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| 19:28.42 | NetGangsta | hi how can I modify my ulimit to 40000 ? |
| 19:28.48 | bkw | Is reiserfs/xfs more suitable in any way than ext3 for a mailserver in production with 2k users and a disksize of 250GB? |
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| 19:29.23 | sgeigerbot | NetGangsta: ulimit -f 40000 |
| 19:29.25 | dkr | sgeigerbot: use find to generate list of dirs you do want, and use as arg to du |
| 19:29.42 | sgeigerbot | dkr: yeah. |
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| 19:30.10 | sgeigerbot | dkr: except...creating that is a bit of a pain. |
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| 19:31.06 | sgeigerbot | dkr: what's the du portion of the command going to be? |
| 19:31.18 | Lectus | How to setup PPPoE connection on netinst so I can download the packages? |
| 19:31.30 | dkr | sgeigerbot: find dir -type d \! -name "exlcudeddirname" -print0 | xargs -0 du -sck |
| 19:31.34 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: ls /path/ | du -sk .. or du -sh |
| 19:31.49 | abrotman | argh .. darn excluder |
| 19:31.53 | abrotman | grep and xargs! |
| 19:32.12 | sgeigerbot | Actually, I think du -c is more what I want. |
| 19:32.49 | dkr | Lectus: that's covered in the debian installation instructions |
| 19:33.10 | JuNiOx | hello guys, does anyone know some program for linux, of course, similar to 'pinnacle studio' (win program)? |
| 19:33.45 | dkr | search for pppoe in the doc, I think it boils down to just running pppoe-config from console at a certain point |
| 19:34.25 | Thursley | back, sorry screwed up the network (again).. |
| 19:34.29 | dkr | JuNiOx: you are more likely to get an answer if you describe what the software does, nto many of us are MS fans, :) |
| 19:34.41 | Thursley | pickcoder: what am I looking for in dmesg? |
| 19:34.42 | wols_ | bkw: what mailbox format? |
| 19:34.54 | bkw | wols_: maildir |
| 19:35.04 | wols_ | xfs bad. too many small files |
| 19:35.14 | wols_ | reiser might be a good one. or ext3 without atime |
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| 19:35.49 | bkw | wols_: Actually it's reiserfs today... |
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| 19:36.19 | JuNiOx | dkr, hi sorry my mistake... i'm looking for a video editor program... I mentioned 'pinnacle studio' because it's one of the most famous and useful |
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| 19:36.32 | Lectus | dkr: I follow the installation instructions but I can't configure the network during installation. I don't have DHCP and I don't what to do next. Sorry, I'm new to Linux. Only used Ubuntu before and just had to do "sudo pppoeconf". But I really want to try Debian. I've passed all installation screens, but can't configure the network to download packages. |
| 19:36.40 | roxy_ | how can I strip a file of its first byte ? |
| 19:36.46 | irule | how may I react to an applications' return value? most aps say they return 0 or 1 depending on status |
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| 19:36.59 | wols_ | junix|work: kino, cinelerra, etc |
| 19:37.30 | dkr | roxy_: dd if=foo of=bar bs=1 skip=1 |
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| 19:39.36 | dkr | Lectus: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds05.html.en |
| 19:39.41 | JuNiOx | wols_, hi.. i believe your last message was directed to me... thanks |
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| 19:40.06 | Thursley | pickcoder: it has "drivers/usb/net/trl8150.x Rx status -84" in dmesg a lot, like when I plug it in and out. Is there something wrong with the module you think? |
| 19:40.18 | Thursley | rtl* |
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| 19:41.21 | roxy_ | dkr: thanks |
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| 19:41.53 | valdyn | Thursley: i would expect a network driver to throw an error when you unplug it, nothing unusual |
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| 19:42.13 | junix|work | how do i find out what nvidia card i have in my system |
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| 19:42.32 | valdyn | junix|work: with lspci |
| 19:42.32 | dkr | irule: command && echo it worked command || echo it did not work |
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| 19:42.56 | junix|work | valdyn: what if its agp? |
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| 19:43.04 | Thursley | ok valdyn, thanks. Do you have any idea why my usb network card might not work now (no dhcp offer, but during netinstall it and dhcp worked fine) |
| 19:43.16 | wols_ | junix|work: nothing |
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| 19:44.03 | nn_ | damned this t7200 cpu is really fast.. and I still use pwm |
| 19:44.05 | junix|work | wols_: ?? |
| 19:44.37 | bkw | wols_: I will migrate that physical host to a virtual machine. Do you think reiserfs still if the right option for the mailserver? |
| 19:45.15 | junix|work | i will reboot to find out |
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| 19:48.16 | suppaman | hi |
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| 19:49.58 | hinders | hey, is there any way to unload the IPv6 module in debian without having to reboot? |
| 19:50.35 | valdyn | hinders: no |
| 19:50.50 | hinders | damn |
| 19:51.14 | hinders | having problems with a server program conflicting with ipv6 |
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| 19:56.12 | Sven`home | which package do I need to install to get the python module "japanese"? |
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| 19:57.40 | abrotman | !find japanese etch |
| 19:57.44 | pickcoder | !tell Sven`home about search |
| 19:57.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'japanese' (6 of 47): (/usr/share/doc/dbacl/japanese.txt.gz) in text/dbacl ;; (/usr/share/uim/japanese-azik.scm) in text/uim-common ;; (/usr/share/opendb/images/japanese.gif) in web/opendb ;; (/usr/share/doc/minicom/intl/japanese) in comm/minicom ;; (/usr/share/langdrill/japanese.drill) in gnome/langdrill ;; (/usr/share/phpwiki/lib/fpdf/japanese.php) in web/phpwiki. |
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| 19:59.30 | junix-other | waht version of the nvidia kernel is in stable?? |
| 19:59.40 | Sven`home | pickcoder: I am searching for 1 hour now.. |
| 19:59.45 | Sven`home | abrotman: I am on sarge |
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| 20:00.41 | abrotman | !find japanese sarge |
| 20:00.44 | swiergot | anyone using lighttpd? |
| 20:00.49 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'japanese' (6 of 49): (/usr/share/elog/eloglang.japanese) in web/elog ;; (/usr/share/opendb/images/japanese.gif) in web/opendb ;; (/usr/share/doc/minicom/intl/japanese) in comm/minicom ;; (/usr/share/langdrill/japanese.drill) in gnome/langdrill ;; (/usr/share/roxen4/languages/japanese.pike) in web/roxen4 ;; (/usr/lib/moodss/myerrorlog/japanese.txt) in admin/moodss. |
| 20:00.51 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:01.09 | stew | "apt-file search japanese | grep py" didn't turn up any results |
| 20:01.12 | abrotman | Sven`home: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search japanese | less |
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| 20:01.17 | stew | Sven`home: perhaps what you are looking for isn't packaged |
| 20:02.04 | Sven`home | so, what can I do? I am trying to install mailman |
| 20:02.20 | stew | Sven`home: aptitude install mailman |
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| 20:03.15 | NetGangsta | sgeigerbot I used that but my unreal ircd still dont want start |
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| 20:06.37 | sgeigerbot | NetGangsta: have you been monitoring the logs? Is that actually the problem? |
| 20:07.22 | sgeigerbot | NetGangsta: try "ulimit -a" to verify that you have changed things. |
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| 20:07.46 | sgeigerbot | NetGangsta: and are you changing them for the proper user? |
| 20:08.07 | brad | anyway to recreate /var/log/ ? It kind of got deleted |
| 20:08.22 | valdyn | brad: uh? |
| 20:08.30 | brad | got hacked :) |
| 20:08.35 | valdyn | brad: restore from backup |
| 20:08.41 | brad | heh, if only.. |
| 20:09.19 | wols_ | when you are hacked and root owned files are deleted: that box is beyond redemtption |
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| 20:09.25 | sgeigerbot | brad: So the machine got hacked and you want to continue using it as is? If this is not a production machine (which I would guess it is not since you aren't doing backups) I'd say you'd be better off starting fresh. |
| 20:09.27 | wols_ | there is only reinstall, ntohing else |
| 20:09.47 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 20:09.57 | HardDisk_WP | which player plays files which identify by TAKATIS4.IT: Impulse Tracker module sound data - "Takatis - Intro MT zockt" compatible w/ITv217 created w/ITv214 |
| 20:10.07 | brad | it is a production machine... I've just never had the need for full backups before :-/ |
| 20:10.22 | sgeigerbot | brad: it's either: 1) start over, or 2) live with the hacker owning your system. |
| 20:10.38 | brad | alright, thx |
| 20:10.49 | brad | guess option 1 looks better right now |
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| 20:11.14 | wols_ | sgeigerbot: 2) is no option. I don'care how many h4x0rs brad had on his systems, but those h4x0rs contune to start trouble from their owned machines for the rest of the internet. and that I do mind |
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| 20:11.25 | sgeigerbot | wols_: No kidding. ;-) |
| 20:11.31 | sgeigerbot | wols_: I was hoping he would realize that. |
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| 20:12.27 | NetGangsta | what I must check in ulimit -a ? |
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| 20:12.34 | NetGangsta | max user processes (-u) 32639 |
| 20:12.36 | sgeigerbot | brad: And also learn about backups. incremental backups with hard links and rsync via the netowrk and the idea backup scenario in most cases, I've found. |
| 20:12.50 | sgeigerbot | NetGangsta: did your changes take effect? |
| 20:13.04 | Enverex | I want to know how people keep getting "hacked"... |
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| 20:13.16 | NetGangsta | yeah |
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| 20:13.35 | NetGangsta | but my unreal |
| 20:13.42 | wols_ | Enverex: php? |
| 20:13.45 | NetGangsta | Hard Limit: 1024 MAXCONNECTIONS: 40000 |
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| 20:13.48 | NetGangsta | weird |
| 20:14.23 | Enverex | brad, Was that machine a server running something with PHP? |
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| 20:14.31 | brad | Enverex: yes |
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| 20:14.44 | brad | apache/mysql/php/etc. |
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| 20:14.55 | sgeigerbot | Enverex: why? |
| 20:15.05 | Enverex | sgeigerbot, Just seeing if wols_ was right |
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| 20:15.25 | sgeigerbot | wols_: why did you ask? |
| 20:15.37 | bzed | Enverex: that was obvious :) |
| 20:15.41 | wols_ | sgeigerbot: more like I answered Enverex |
| 20:15.44 | anapivirtua_ | Bonsoir |
| 20:15.47 | bzed | brad: when did you do the last update of that machine? |
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| 20:16.05 | brad | it's a fairly recent install.... a couple of months ago |
| 20:16.16 | bzed | brad: MONTHS? |
| 20:16.27 | xand | A duck says... |
| 20:16.33 | wols_ | bzed: and no updates since then? |
| 20:16.45 | brad | no :( |
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| 20:17.11 | bzed | brad: you're learning security the hard way, eh? |
| 20:17.12 | wols_ | bzed: how do you expect me to press that key when you hit me with it? sheesh |
| 20:17.25 | brad | bzed: yea, it seems so |
| 20:17.27 | bzed | wols_: I hit you with MY poor tab key. |
| 20:17.35 | bzed | brad: reinstall the machine. |
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| 20:18.01 | matiu | I built a special ffmpeg on debian lenny, and put everything in /usr/local. How can I make it so that I don't have to go: sudo ldconfig /usr/local/lib; before everytime I run it? |
| 20:18.07 | brad | I will, when I've got things backed up |
| 20:18.24 | brad | I was lucky enough not to be rm -rf /'ed |
| 20:18.26 | bzed | brad: don't backup any binaries |
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| 20:18.33 | bzed | you can't trust them |
| 20:18.36 | brad | ok |
| 20:18.51 | bzed | same for shell scripts |
| 20:18.54 | Erick | ? |
| 20:18.58 | bzed | if you want to reuse them, read every line |
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| 20:19.44 | valdyn | matiu: LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/lib runprogram or edit /etc/ld.so.cache |
| 20:19.46 | valdyn | matiu: LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/lib runprogram or edit /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 20:20.00 | matiu | Thanks valdyn |
| 20:20.55 | wols_ | bzed: you only confuse me cause I then have 2 tab keys and dunno what to press |
| 20:21.14 | NetGangsta | ulimit -n - 1024 wtf ? lolz |
| 20:21.18 | bzed | wols_: no, I take my one back of course. after cleaning it properly |
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| 20:21.44 | stoned | I want the nvidia drivers that are newer than the ones in etch. I am trying to run the nvidia installer .run file but I get errors concerning /lib/modules/kenrlversionhere/build/include/linux/modversion does not exist and that kernel header files were not configured |
| 20:21.49 | stoned | I've never seen this error before, help |
| 20:22.11 | valdyn | stoned: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 20:22.27 | stoned | I think I have them |
| 20:22.28 | bzed | stoned: and don't use this broken nvidia installer :\ |
| 20:22.41 | stoned | because I build the nvida dirver in etch |
| 20:22.41 | bzed | better backport the nvidia packages from unstable or testing |
| 20:22.46 | stoned | I used module assistant |
| 20:22.54 | stoned | bzed: I just had this idea 20 secs before you said it |
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| 20:23.30 | stoned | sid drivers backported would work then? |
| 20:24.03 | bzed | they should |
| 20:24.08 | bzed | if they still support your card |
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| 20:24.43 | bzed | you can probably jsut install the prebuilt .debs, if you're using the etch kernel |
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| 20:24.59 | bzed | not sure though |
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| 20:26.10 | stoned | argh! |
| 20:26.26 | stoned | I added the sid repo |
| 20:26.28 | brad | what's the best way to limit SSH access to just 2 IP addresses? iptables? |
| 20:26.42 | stoned | now I just backport individual packages or use m-a? |
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| 20:27.20 | daeos | is the user "nobody" normal to have ? |
| 20:27.23 | junix-other | hi, what if i have 2 Video cards??? |
| 20:27.28 | valdyn | daeos: yes |
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| 20:28.00 | valdyn | daeos: its just a standard name for a user that owns no files or anything |
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| 20:28.15 | junix-other | if i have 2 video cards how do i set it up to do dual screen in stable? |
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| 20:28.42 | daeos | valdyn: ok just wondering... saw it running vsftp |
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| 20:32.06 | peter_ | hello |
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| 20:33.25 | Scurz | yop |
| 20:33.40 | Scurz | I don't succeed to change the langague of the system, My /etc/locale.gen : http://paste.debian.net/31854 what do make ? |
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| 20:34.17 | peter_ | :) better, my debian change language in menu aplication when he want to :) |
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| 20:35.04 | Scurz | lol |
| 20:36.23 | outlawBR | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:43.32 | pickcoder | outlawBR: iptables can affect one protocol or all "man iptables" |
| 20:43.51 | wols_ | Scurz: /msg dpkg locales |
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| 20:46.36 | DavidProck1981 | is there a way i can set the temp / tmp folders to empty its self on a shut down or start up |
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| 20:47.16 | DavidProck1981 | i think ive seen the option somewhere before |
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| 20:47.46 | dkr | that happens byd efault |
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| 20:48.11 | DavidProck1981 | not for me |
| 20:48.45 | dkr | /etc/init.d/bootclean |
| 20:49.01 | dkr | bootclean:# Clean /tmp. Clean /var/run and /var/lock if not mounted as tmpfs |
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| 20:49.37 | irule | find / -name mysql.sock finds nothing, what should I do in this case? this is debian sarge and I already created the db table with phpmyadmin |
| 20:49.37 | dkr | mayeb you changed permissions of it? |
| 20:49.43 | dkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.38 | dkr | irule: /var/run/mysqld: |
| 20:50.38 | dkr | mysqld.sock@ |
| 20:50.52 | stew | irule: /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
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| 20:51.14 | maxxle | I've problems installing an actual Debian. "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources". This cannot be the truth? |
| 20:51.15 | irule | yes its there, thanks! |
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| 20:53.34 | maxxle | ok. My console tells me that the Package "console-tools" is not available. This happens during the install step "Install the base system". What the hell? |
| 20:53.45 | pickcoder | maxxle: provide more information like version, type of install, etc |
| 20:53.53 | stew | maxxle: what version of debian are you installing? |
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| 20:54.00 | arcil | where can i find a repository with a decent nintendo 64 emulator in it? |
| 20:54.43 | maxxle | I've downloaded the "XFCE Debian 4.0" Version from an official Debian Mirror. The filename is: debian-40r0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 20:54.58 | DavidProck1981 | maxxle do u get a option on the cd, so it can check its self |
| 20:55.30 | abrotman | arcil: apt-cache search nintendo emu |
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| 20:56.28 | arcil | abrotman: only for nes and snes http://pastebin.ca/600404 |
| 20:56.43 | DavidProck1981 | maxxle are you there? |
| 20:56.46 | maxxle | DavidProck1981: I've just burned that disc. This really shouldn't be the problem |
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| 20:57.09 | junix|work | hi, i have a dual display nvidia geforce 2 mx 440, i don't want to go through the xorg.conf file to get dual screens, but is there another way? |
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| 20:57.35 | DavidProck1981 | ive been in a similer situation before, but with a different file, and the cd looked flaw-LESS |
| 20:57.56 | NetGangsta | when I try to compile my Unreal Ircd I got "configure: error: Cannot find a type with size of 16 bits" |
| 20:58.00 | DavidProck1981 | but i did a check and there was data coruption |
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| 20:58.45 | bonez44 | which file contains information about other machines on a network? for example, let's say i have a machine named 'david' with IP 192.168.1.20 and I want to just type ssh david instead of ssh 192.168.1.20 where do I enter david 192.168.1.20 to make that work? in which file? |
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| 20:58.59 | maxxle | DavidProck1981: Is there a way to verify the disc during the installation-process? |
| 20:59.01 | Scurz | wols_: thank you |
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| 20:59.59 | DavidProck1981 | maxxle one of the first few menus before u get started with installing, u should see a option the check the data on the cd |
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| 21:00.59 | maxxle | DavidProck1981: ok - I saw the option. I'm checking the disc |
| 21:01.12 | DavidProck1981 | good idea |
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| 21:01.30 | DavidProck1981 | let me know how it turns out |
| 21:01.42 | maxxle | ok |
| 21:02.03 | sonmez | Hi, I have a 15.4" screen. Just installed Debian. And, current screen resolution is 1024x768.. Most of you probably know that current display is not so good. Specially for fonts... How can I set screen resolution to a higher one? It only lists 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768.. I think there should be 1280x800 for 15.4" screens.. |
| 21:02.10 | sonmez | Can anyone help me? :-) |
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| 21:02.51 | maxxle | sonmez: maybe check your config in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 21:03.02 | tvynr | This might sound a bit silly... I'm trying to fetch stable sources so I can build a cross-dev toolchain for Etch. How do I fetch the stable sources? "apt-get source gcc-4.1 binutils libc6 -t etch" starts downloading things from unstable. |
| 21:03.06 | tsimmes | hey i tried to install the nvidia driver so i installed the required packages and changed the drvier to "nvidia" but then the X server failed to load and i changed it back to "nv", can somebody help me? |
| 21:03.24 | pickcoder | !tell sonmez about drxx |
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| 21:03.31 | tvynr | tsimmes: pastebin the Xorg.0.log.old for the failed run. |
| 21:04.00 | sonmez | pickcoder: drxx? |
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| 21:04.37 | pickcoder | sonmez: dpkg should have messaged you |
| 21:05.05 | sonmez | pickcoder: ah right! |
| 21:05.06 | DavidProck1981 | sonmez: find a web site that sells your same monitor and...... |
| 21:05.18 | maxxle | DavidProck1981: Very funny. Now my installer is on Alt+F4 and there's nothing left from my debug output. Very nice. I think this is not my day. |
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| 21:05.37 | pickcoder | maxxle: what speed did you burn the ISO at? |
| 21:05.40 | sonmez | pickcoder: thanks.. |
| 21:05.55 | tvynr | Anyone know how to apt-get sources from Etch? |
| 21:06.13 | maxxle | DavidProck1981: Will work on it tomorrow. Maybe i've more luck tomorrow :) |
| 21:06.56 | maxxle | bye! |
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| 21:09.28 | tsimmes | tvynr, http://pastebin.ca/600425 |
| 21:10.27 | tvynr | tsimmes: Are you aware of the fact that there are two components to the display driver? You must have installed both the nVidia kernel module and the nVidia X server module. |
| 21:10.45 | DavidProck1981 | sonmez: find a web site that sells your same monitor and look at the specs and get the vertical and horizontal sync ranges and wright them down and when u do dpkg-reconfigre xserver-xorg manualy put the ranges in and it should show your avaible ranges |
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| 21:11.15 | tvynr | tsimmes: From what I'm reading in that log, you never loaded the nVidia kernel module. Installing the kernel module package (ex. "nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64") is not sufficient; you must also "modprobe nvidia". |
| 21:11.19 | SimplySeth | .topic |
| 21:11.26 | sonmez | DavidProck1981: Ah.. Thanks! That will be helpful |
| 21:11.33 | tvynr | tsimmes: You can get that modprobe on startup by appending the line "nvidia" to your /etc/modules. |
| 21:11.59 | sonmez | Actually, it is a laptop and probably all of 15.4" monitors sync ranges would be same? |
| 21:12.05 | DavidProck1981 | sonmez cause some times it dont git corectly, mine was like that |
| 21:12.07 | SimplySeth | is there a wiki or portal for deb noobs that shows me how to make KDE default and stuff like that ? |
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| 21:12.47 | smacnay | sonmez: my monitor was acurately detected and the proper ranges were put in (I checked after the fact) - I got lucky. |
| 21:13.24 | tvynr | Is there any way to get Etch sources from apt-get source other than to research each and every version number? |
| 21:13.41 | tsimmes | tvynr, when i do that i get "FATAL: Module nvidia not found." |
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| 21:13.58 | tvynr | tsimmes: That means that you don't have an nVidia kernel module installed on your system. |
| 21:14.06 | DavidProck1981 | sonmez and it might have something to do with your driver too? |
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| 21:14.15 | tsimmes | tvynr, i have the package nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-486 |
| 21:14.28 | alindeman | My `apt-get remove php4-common` command is wanting to remove e2fsprogs :-/ ... which apt-get doesn't like .. what's up with that? |
| 21:14.31 | alindeman | I just want to nuke PHP4, and add PHP5 |
| 21:14.34 | tvynr | tsimmes: And "uname -r" produces "2.6.18-4-486"? |
| 21:14.34 | sonmez | DavidProck1981: maybe.. it is intel 945 chipset |
| 21:14.42 | tsimmes | tvynr, yes |
| 21:14.51 | pickcoder | alindeman: have you updated in a while? |
| 21:14.55 | tsimmes | tvynr, oh oops its 686 sorry |
| 21:14.57 | tsimmes | just a second |
| 21:15.09 | DavidProck1981 | sonmez is the video built into the mother bord |
| 21:15.10 | sonmez | DavidProck1981: but in the dpkg-reconfigure it is detected it as i810, what should i choose at there? |
| 21:15.15 | tvynr | tsimmes: sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) :-P |
| 21:15.18 | sonmez | DavidProck1981: yes, as usual for laptops :-) |
| 21:15.20 | abrotman | alindeman: you can install php5 along with php4 IIRC |
| 21:15.27 | alindeman | abrotman: Yah, but it seems pointless |
| 21:15.35 | alindeman | pickcoder: Yah, nothing seems to need upgrading |
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| 21:15.51 | abrotman | what if you aptitude install php5-common e2fsprogs ? |
| 21:15.53 | tsimmes | tvynr, thank you very much, i'll try it now :) |
| 21:15.58 | tvynr | tsimmes: Good luck. :) |
| 21:16.13 | DavidProck1981 | not sure what to do in the i810 situation, But make sure the ranges are correct |
| 21:16.35 | tvynr | Can anyone tell me how I download sources for Etch using apt-get source? The -t flag doesn't seem to have any effect on which sources it downloads. Should I file a bug report against that? |
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| 21:16.49 | alindeman | OK, so trying to install anything wants me to remove e2fsprogs |
| 21:16.52 | abrotman | tvynr: do you have deb-src lines? |
| 21:16.53 | alindeman | Hmpf |
| 21:17.04 | abrotman | alindeman: and installing just e2fsprogs ? |
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| 21:17.24 | tsimmes | great it works |
| 21:17.37 | tvynr | abrotman: Yep. The problem isn't that it can't find sources; it downloads them just fine. But they're the wrong ones. I have an /etc/apt/sources.list with lines for stable, unstable, and testing... they're pinned in preferences so I can run a hybrid system (in theory). |
| 21:17.53 | abrotman | tvynr: mixing is bad :) |
| 21:17.54 | alindeman | abrotman: Same error .. "E; This installation will require the temporarily rmeoving the essential package e2fsprogs ..." |
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| 21:18.00 | alindeman | I think my apt is broken somewhere |
| 21:18.03 | abrotman | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 21:18.03 | dpkg | well, e2fsprogs loop is you are running package older than the sarge release and are trying to upgrade to etch or later. skipping releases is not supported. you must first upgrade to sarge, then to etch. edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace 'testing' or 'etch' or 'stable' or 'unstable' with 'sarge' then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade' then ask me about <sarge->etch> for instruction on upgrading to etch |
| 21:18.03 | alindeman | Like, overall |
| 21:18.08 | tvynr | abrotman: But apt-get source always downloads the highest version; it's ignoring pinning and it's ignoring "-t etch". |
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| 21:18.11 | abrotman | alindeman: does the above sound familiar ? |
| 21:18.23 | abrotman | tvynr: maybe pinning is differwent for source ? |
| 21:18.24 | alindeman | Ahh, maybe so, yah |
| 21:18.37 | alindeman | I guess I'm way out of the loop |
| 21:18.46 | grendal_prime | what is a good too to install grub onto an existing ....well like if i wanted to reainstall grub have it set up the mbr again and set up the menu.lst and whatnot? |
| 21:18.54 | grendal_prime | good tool that is |
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| 21:19.01 | alindeman | Wasn't even aware of etch becoming stable |
| 21:19.06 | DavidProck1981 | sonmez, did u find out the ranges for your monitor |
| 21:19.07 | alindeman | Thanks abrotman |
| 21:19.27 | abrotman | alindeman: that's a big rock you're living under :) |
| 21:19.37 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: update-grub && grub-install |
| 21:19.40 | sonmez | DavidProck1981: not yet.. I have just went through with standard values.. now i'm gonna restart for it.. then will check for it.. so see you in seconds |
| 21:20.24 | grendal_prime | on the etch install cd? |
| 21:20.47 | grendal_prime | or is there like a recovery disk specifically for that sort of thing |
| 21:20.52 | grendal_prime | i have system resuce |
| 21:20.57 | alindeman | abrotman: Yaaaaahhh :-) |
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| 21:21.14 | tvynr | abrotman: Regardless of pinning, I'd expect -t to do its job. I think that apt-get source is ignoring the release information entirely. |
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| 21:21.20 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: boot a live CD and chroot to your / |
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| 21:21.23 | pickcoder | then run that |
| 21:21.28 | gimmal | anyone know how to launch a shell from the debian install DVDs? |
| 21:21.41 | grendal_prime | just chroot / |
| 21:21.42 | pickcoder | make sure you remount your / as read/write before you try the grub stuff |
| 21:21.52 | gimmal | I remember there being an option for it, roundabout the potato installers (?) but couldn't find such an option, even under expert mode, on the 4.0r0 installers |
| 21:21.55 | nn__ | gimmal: alt+f2? |
| 21:22.01 | tvynr | gimmal: You can get a pretty restricted one by hitting Alt+Right. |
| 21:22.01 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: no.. the live CD will auto-mount your partitions under /media/ |
| 21:22.05 | pickcoder | but they will be read-only |
| 21:22.16 | pickcoder | you will need to remount them manually as root, and then chroot that dir |
| 21:22.20 | gimmal | tvynr: ahah, thank you |
| 21:22.33 | gimmal | tvynr: any guess for whether there's a dd on the installer disc? |
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| 21:22.38 | grendal_prime | k got it...ive never chrooted but ill mount it and go from there |
| 21:22.46 | pickcoder | er.. you only need to remount the / partition |
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| 21:23.09 | pickcoder | then "chroot /media/sda0" or whereever it's mounted |
| 21:23.13 | tvynr | gimmal: I'm gonna guess no. When I say restricted, I really do mean it. :-/ But if you have a second optical media drive, you can pop a Knoppix disc in there or something, mount it, and chroot into it. :-P |
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| 21:23.27 | sonmez | DavidProck1981: hi again :-) |
| 21:23.31 | DavidProck1981 | hi |
| 21:23.34 | DavidProck1981 | well |
| 21:23.35 | gimmal | tvynr: yeah, that would be nice, hehe |
| 21:23.37 | grendal_prime | right so mkdir in mnt...say redo then mount hda1 to redo |
| 21:23.57 | sonmez | david-work: didn't work.. so, i'm gonna look for it huh.. |
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| 21:24.33 | DavidProck1981 | do u have the books that come with your laptop |
| 21:24.33 | grendal_prime | then chroot /mnt/redo |
| 21:24.56 | gimmal | hmmm. if only rawrite could access an xfs partition |
| 21:25.20 | DavidProck1981 | if so u proble can fine the *sync ranges in there |
| 21:25.24 | sonmez | DavidProck1981: yes but just using manual |
| 21:25.26 | gimmal | need to get 512 bytes from /dev/sda2 (xfs) into a file, to shove it into the phucking vista bunkloader |
| 21:25.32 | gimmal | the boot sector, or some shytte |
| 21:25.56 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: right, then run "update-grub" and "grub-install" |
| 21:26.03 | DavidProck1981 | manual , as in? |
| 21:26.10 | pickcoder | that will restore your intial boot settings |
| 21:26.21 | pickcoder | and update any additional kernels/etc that may have been added |
| 21:26.55 | lymeca | I want to run a command on Screen 1 from a terminal in Screen 0. How do I specify which Screen I want? |
| 21:26.57 | DavidProck1981 | u lost me on that last comment sonmez: DavidProck1981: yes but just using manual |
| 21:26.58 | gimmal | alright, maybe it'll work with what i've already got; thanks for the help |
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| 21:27.03 | lymeca | SCREEN=:1 command ?? |
| 21:27.09 | lymeca | that doesn't seem to work |
| 21:27.29 | grendal_prime | gives me an error about cannot run command /bin/zsh no such file or directory |
| 21:27.31 | sonmez | DavidProck1981: just says two resolution 1280x800 and 1680x1050 and say scren is 15.4" |
| 21:27.47 | grendal_prime | thats when i try the chroot /mnt/redo |
| 21:27.48 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: did you boot from a live CD like Knoppix? |
| 21:27.59 | grendal_prime | system rescue |
| 21:28.00 | DavidProck1981 | oh in the book that come with it ? |
| 21:28.16 | grendal_prime | needs to be knoppix hu |
| 21:28.18 | grendal_prime | k ill get that |
| 21:28.19 | junix-other | if i have 2 video cards how do i set it up to do dual screen in stable? |
| 21:28.21 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: I have never used a rescue disk |
| 21:28.22 | sonmez | DavidProck1981: yes.. i could get those values by morning calling their technical service.. |
| 21:28.23 | tvynr | abrotman: The only solution I could find was to comment out my deb-src lines for testing and unstable. Think I should report a bug? |
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| 21:28.33 | abrotman | tvynr: i can't remember if it's aptitude or apt-get .. but there's also a way to use the veresion number |
| 21:28.34 | junix-other | i take that back |
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| 21:28.45 | abrotman | tvynr: like .. aptitude install blah=4.5.7632-45hafh-debian |
| 21:28.48 | tvynr | abrotman: Yeah, such as "gcc-4.1=4.1.2-12" |
| 21:28.58 | sonmez | DavidProck1981: of course if they knows what they are selling |
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| 21:29.01 | junix-other | i have a dual head nvidia video card, i want it to display an extended desktop...is that possible? |
| 21:29.17 | tvynr | abrotman: But then it kept complaining that it couldn't find that source package. Limiting it to just the stable deb-src line seems to have worked. |
| 21:29.19 | kennyk | I just installed debian and am trying to figure out how to start these services, is there not a sevice command? |
| 21:29.25 | abrotman | tvynr: ah ok |
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| 21:29.46 | tvynr | But for that, I needed priviledges. Strikes me as not good. Think I should submit something to BTS? |
| 21:29.59 | DavidProck1981 | sonmez if u tell them u took off windows and puting on linux they probly not want to help u and say that u just borke your warinty |
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| 21:30.01 | pickcoder | kennyk: Debian != redhat |
| 21:30.06 | pickcoder | but they both have init.d scripts |
| 21:30.10 | abrotman | tvynr: you could .. or ask the maintainers |
| 21:30.13 | abrotman | !u |
| 21:30.13 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 21:30.32 | kennyk | pickcoder mandriva also had service too, so thats why i asked |
| 21:30.35 | sonmez | DavidProck1981: i have told them today that i'm gonna install gnu/linux and will remove that vista stickers from the computer |
| 21:30.42 | sonmez | DavidProck1981: they said, it is oka.. |
| 21:30.42 | sonmez | y |
| 21:31.05 | DavidProck1981 | what company is it from |
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| 21:31.28 | pickcoder | kennyk: you could write your own "service" script in bash |
| 21:31.40 | sonmez | DavidProck1981: Casper, a domestic company in Turkey |
| 21:31.48 | DavidProck1981 | oh |
| 21:32.10 | DavidProck1981 | not is the US ?? |
| 21:32.14 | sonmez | Isn't it should be standard for all 15.4" screens? |
| 21:32.31 | sonmez | DavidProck1981: No, It isn't |
| 21:32.40 | tsimmes | hey im trying to mount my windows partition, but i can mount it only with root and my user can't get permission to that folder ("read-only file system") , how can i change the permissions? |
| 21:32.49 | junix-other | i have a dual head nvidia video card, i want it to display an extended desktop...is that possible? |
| 21:33.23 | tvynr | tsimmes: There's some option you can stuff in the fstab that'll make the mount be owned by a given user. Might be "uid=username,gid=groupname" but I'm not sure. |
| 21:33.40 | pickcoder | !ntfs |
| 21:33.40 | dpkg | ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsro>, <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
| 21:33.41 | grendal_prime | its gonna take some time to down load that.. |
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| 21:34.15 | tsimmes | tvynr, hey thanks again :) i'll follow that idea |
| 21:34.15 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: yeah, but it's worth having a live CD around for issues that a rescue disk may not be helpful with |
| 21:34.20 | sonmez | DavidProck1981: what should i select from x server driver list? i810 (mine is i945..) or vga? or vesa? i don't know when i used ututo xs gnu it is selected vesa by default |
| 21:34.24 | kennyk | pickcoder, great, something im not good at haha |
| 21:34.41 | pickcoder | kennyk: the "service" tool is just eye candy IMO |
| 21:34.55 | pickcoder | just start and stop the services you want under /etc/init.d |
| 21:34.58 | tvynr | junix-other: I know it's possible; I played with it for a bit but was disappointed by the fact that full-screen games would disable the second monitor. I added a TwinView section to my /etc/X11/xorg.conf for my nVidia card, IIRC. |
| 21:34.59 | swiergot | i'm looking for buildlogs of debian packages |
| 21:35.06 | grendal_prime | ok pickcoder i tried grub-install directly to the device..(its a DOM Disk On Module) Like a flash thing..it comes back with /dev/hda1 dows not have any corresponding bios drive. does that make any sence at all? |
| 21:35.24 | kennyk | pickcoder, okay, well i had to add sshd so thats why i was asking. does debian have a package system? |
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| 21:35.30 | junix-other | tvynr: this is for work..so games need not apply |
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| 21:35.41 | junix-other | tvynr: i'm having issues with the drivers tho.. |
| 21:35.50 | tvynr | junix-other: How so? |
| 21:35.50 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: did you boot the live CD already? |
| 21:35.59 | DavidProck1981 | sonmez eeehhhhh im not sure, but to be sure u can see on the next start up i would pick vesa |
| 21:36.00 | pickcoder | kennyk: package system? |
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| 21:36.10 | junix-other | tvynr: i've tried the standard drivers and the legacy, its not working |
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| 21:36.24 | junix-other | tvynr: it says no devices found...or not screens found |
| 21:36.29 | DavidProck1981 | but dont quote me on that |
| 21:36.35 | tvynr | sonmez: vesa will almost always work but doesn't have ANY acceleration... so things might get jerky if you scroll and so forth |
| 21:36.36 | grendal_prime | i had system rescue in the drive, so i was givving it a shot while knoppix was downloading |
| 21:36.40 | sonmez | DavidProck1981: Ok, thanks. I'll try again now. See you :) |
| 21:36.53 | kennyk | pickcoder, yea, mandriva has urpmi, i forget what redhat is, just asking if debian had somethign |
| 21:37.00 | sonmez | tvynr: i understand.. |
| 21:37.02 | tvynr | junix-other: Which card is it? |
| 21:37.11 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: I'm not sure if the live CD is going to support the DOM, but it's worth a try |
| 21:37.14 | sonmez | tvynr: at least i should try.. fonts are so messy |
| 21:37.16 | junix-other | GeForce 2 MX 440, Dual head |
| 21:37.18 | junix-other | AGP |
| 21:37.26 | sonmez | bye for a while |
| 21:37.31 | pickcoder | kennyk: .deb are Debian packages. There are many package tools. |
| 21:37.33 | grendal_prime | kennyk: ya dpkg |
| 21:37.38 | pickcoder | aptitude is the most recent addition |
| 21:37.42 | pickcoder | for command line |
| 21:37.42 | holycow | how do you set the proper timezone via command line on debian? |
| 21:38.15 | pickcoder | !apt |
| 21:38.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 21:38.24 | pickcoder | !aptitude |
| 21:38.25 | dpkg | i guess aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
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| 21:39.23 | tvynr | junix-other: Ah. Not familiar with that one. From what I'm reading, though, the open source nv driver is not up to the task... so you'll need to get the nVidia drivers working before you can go dual-head. What problems were you having? Did you install both the nVidia kernel module (nvidia-kernel-*) and the X display driver (nvidia-glx)? Did you modprobe the kernel module so it would actually get loaded? |
| 21:39.24 | grendal_prime | i can reinstall it with the debian install disk..but its kinda a pain |
| 21:39.59 | junix-other | ah |
| 21:40.06 | junix-other | tvynr: modprobe what module? |
| 21:40.12 | junix-other | modprobe nvidia? |
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| 21:41.00 | pickcoder | !tell junix-other about nvidia one-liner |
| 21:41.30 | tvynr | junix-other: Yeah. Installing the package installs the module file, but it doesn't load it. |
| 21:41.32 | kennyk | pickcoder thanks mate |
| 21:41.46 | tvynr | junix-other: You have to modprobe it to load it. You can put the module name in /etc/modules to do that at startup. |
| 21:42.07 | junix-other | so for the legacy..it would be modprobe nvidia-legacy? |
| 21:42.53 | pickcoder | kennyk: dpkg actually does the work |
| 21:43.18 | holycow | anyone here use ntp on production servers without having it try to check for time on bootup but simply cronned? |
| 21:43.25 | pickcoder | higher level apps deal with package depenencies, downloading, removing package files, etc |
| 21:44.16 | pickcoder | holycow: eh? |
| 21:44.44 | holycow | i've had ntp hang the system on boot if it cannot get network access so looking to not have it do a check on boot |
| 21:45.10 | pickcoder | holycow: run ntpd and have it sync to another time server |
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| 21:46.06 | pickcoder | unless time accuracy isn't that big of an issue |
| 21:46.19 | pickcoder | crontabs for ntpdate are all over Google |
| 21:46.37 | holycow | cool, already there |
| 21:46.58 | pickcoder | the only issue there is if you roll back the clock |
| 21:47.18 | pickcoder | you're still better off running ntpd |
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| 21:47.22 | pickcoder | it's not that big of a program |
| 21:47.23 | holycow | funny you mention that |
| 21:47.27 | holycow | the box is 8 hours ahead |
| 21:47.29 | tbamr | !beer SR71-Blackbird |
| 21:47.32 | holycow | i need to actually roll back the time |
| 21:47.43 | tbamr | !more SR71-Blackbird |
| 21:47.48 | tbamr | :P |
| 21:47.54 | pickcoder | the bandwidth usage is hardly measurable |
| 21:48.08 | tbamr | !more beer SR71-Blackbird |
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| 21:48.13 | swiergot | i can't find a buildlog exactly for lighttpd 1.4.13-4etch1, where is it? |
| 21:48.17 | tbamr | damn i need more beer |
| 21:48.19 | szymon_g | hi |
| 21:48.26 | pickcoder | you want ntpd to load before time sensitive apps start up |
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| 21:48.32 | pickcoder | and a crontab won't do that |
| 21:48.34 | szymon_g | tbamr : fuck beer, cider is better ;p |
| 21:48.42 | SR71-Blackbird | !beer tbamr |
| 21:48.43 | tbamr | haha |
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| 21:48.46 | pickcoder | apt-get install ntp-server |
| 21:48.51 | holycow | pickcoder, ntpdate will try to check time on boot tho right? |
| 21:48.53 | SR71-Blackbird | !more beer tbamr |
| 21:49.04 | tbamr | SR71-Blackbird: dpkg doesn't like giving beer for free |
| 21:49.05 | tbamr | :) |
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| 21:49.08 | pickcoder | holycow: you don't need ntpdate if you run ntpd |
| 21:49.16 | cokeslut | sup? |
| 21:49.29 | NeanT | i wanna install a pkg with apt-get but every time I get this about the kernel: " The following packges have unmet dependencies: kernel-image-2.4.27-2-i386: Depends: initrd-tools (>=0.1.48) but it is not installed |
| 21:49.32 | holycow | *nod* thats what online posts suggest |
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| 21:49.53 | pickcoder | holycow: you need to set your RTC first, though |
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| 21:50.11 | holycow | lol time is far more complicated than i anticapated |
| 21:50.15 | pickcoder | set the time manually in the shell and sync it with hwclock --systohc |
| 21:50.19 | SR71-Blackbird | tbamr, why...? |
| 21:50.22 | pickcoder | or use ntpdate to set it |
| 21:50.23 | holycow | aha |
| 21:50.25 | pickcoder | and then use hwclock |
| 21:50.31 | tbamr | SR71-Blackbird: never mind |
| 21:50.31 | tbamr | :) |
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| 21:50.39 | holycow | okay thats what i was getting confused about okay |
| 21:51.03 | pickcoder | ntpd will then keep the clock set for you |
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| 21:51.16 | pickcoder | and you can also use it as a local time server |
| 21:51.36 | holycow | pickcoder, and lastly on bootup ... anything to worry abput? |
| 21:51.42 | pickcoder | nope |
| 21:51.47 | holycow | okay cool |
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| 21:51.50 | pickcoder | ntpd will sync as soon as it loads |
| 21:52.01 | holycow | on bootup? |
| 21:52.06 | pickcoder | it will try to |
| 21:52.09 | DavidProck1981 | sonmez must be having problems cause he not back yeat, and i need to go, Can someone tell him about Ctrl+Alt++ and also Ctrl+Alt+- to change the resoultion once the gui is loaded, That might help him, and mention to use the + & - on the number pad |
| 21:52.10 | holycow | what if it doesn't have a network connection? |
| 21:52.18 | cokeslut | secret |
| 21:52.21 | pickcoder | then you should be setting your time with the Network Time Protocol |
| 21:52.22 | holycow | i'm tryin to avoid hangs in boot, i've run into that a while back |
| 21:52.25 | pickcoder | gah |
| 21:52.27 | pickcoder | shouldn't |
| 21:52.33 | pickcoder | get rid of both of those tools then |
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| 21:52.54 | holycow | pickcoder, then cronjob ntpdate instead right? |
| 21:52.59 | pickcoder | erm.. no |
| 21:53.05 | pickcoder | why don't you have a net connection |
| 21:53.14 | tbamr | DavidProck1981: there's always xrandr to change resolution |
| 21:53.17 | holycow | what do you mean ... switches go down |
| 21:53.19 | pickcoder | ntpd will load after network services are started |
| 21:53.21 | holycow | routers have issues |
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| 21:53.37 | pickcoder | holycow: ntpd will try to sync at first and then time out |
| 21:53.40 | holycow | having a machine gracefully not hang on bootup is a good thing |
| 21:53.45 | pickcoder | it will continue to try to sync |
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| 21:53.57 | DavidProck1981 | tbamr but when he loaded it with vesa if he cant see, u know |
| 21:54.25 | lymeca | How can I make an alias global and consistant across logoff and reboots? |
| 21:54.26 | pickcoder | running ntpdate from cron is doable, but it's not a good idea |
| 21:54.31 | tbamr | DavidProck1981: try it ans see |
| 21:54.44 | pickcoder | you are better off letting ntpd do its thing |
| 21:54.47 | pickcoder | and stay clear of ntpdate |
| 21:54.50 | szymon_g | hi, did anyone experienced problem with running tc-elite? |
| 21:54.56 | holycow | pickcoder, *hmmm* i can't remember if it was a suse box or debian when i ran into the ntp issue but it required pressing ctrl / c to keep it booting when access to the internet wasn't available |
| 21:55.00 | pickcoder | ntpd wil be backgrounded when it loads |
| 21:55.07 | pickcoder | ntpdate is not a daemon |
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| 21:55.21 | holycow | right |
| 21:55.26 | tbamr | lymeca: what alias ? |
| 21:55.30 | pickcoder | ctrl-c kills the foreground process |
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| 21:55.37 | pickcoder | ntpd isn't a foreground process |
| 21:55.43 | holycow | well i guess i haveto look at ntpd config, and see if there is a timeout feature |
| 21:55.44 | pickcoder | but it will still try to sync at boot-up |
| 21:55.50 | lymeca | A command alias tbamr, such as alias ls='ls -l' |
| 21:55.54 | holycow | aha, neato |
| 21:56.10 | pickcoder | apache loads, even if you don't have a network connection |
| 21:56.13 | pickcoder | same for ntpd |
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| 21:56.28 | pickcoder | well.. the service example is backwards |
| 21:56.30 | tbamr | lymeca: look for bashrc in your /etc/ or /etc/profile |
| 21:56.33 | pickcoder | anyhoo |
| 21:56.41 | DavidProck1981 | sonmez what is your status? |
| 21:56.48 | holycow | *nod* i wonder then what i was looking at that i had to ctrl/c to keep the system booting |
| 21:56.53 | sonmez | DavidProck1981: Hi again. I will call them and ask for that values. Thanks DavidProck1981, pickcoder and tvynr .. I hope I won't be have to work with current display |
| 21:57.14 | pickcoder | sendmail used to hang big time |
| 21:57.14 | sonmez | DavidProck1981: well, same :-) |
| 21:57.16 | pickcoder | it would sit for 5+ minutes until a reverse resolution timed out on the hostname |
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| 21:57.37 | sonmez | I think they're buying parts from an USA company named Macrovision Corporation.. |
| 21:57.39 | pickcoder | it still does, I think, if your box doesn't have a resolvable hostname |
| 21:57.54 | pickcoder | bbiab |
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| 21:57.58 | tbamr | lymeca: uncomment that line there -> alias ll='ls -l' |
| 21:57.59 | holycow | andmy box doesn't |
| 21:58.05 | holycow | that would explain ntp hanging too |
| 21:58.06 | sonmez | DavidProck1981: maybe they have informations about their products.. i'll check it and then sleep |
| 21:58.14 | junix-other | tvynr: i got it!!! thanks!!! |
| 21:58.24 | DavidProck1981 | sonmez, if u dont to wait to make the call (if u have to), then go to the sight that sells them and get the ranges from there |
| 21:58.25 | tbamr | sonmez: what's hapen ? |
| 21:58.27 | tvynr | junix-other: np :-D |
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| 21:58.48 | tbamr | !resolution |
| 21:58.48 | dpkg | hmm... resolution is How fine the pixels are. The higher the resolution, the more pixels that can be squeezed onto a screen, thereby giving the appearance that the pictures on your screen are smaller without losing any detail. Because the pictures are smaller you now have room to place more on your screen.. Use ctrl-alt-numpad_plus/minus to change it. Or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, or man xrandr, or see hwinfo, or ask me about drxx |
| 21:58.49 | pickcoder | holycow: update /etc/hosts with a name/IP pair fixes that issue |
| 21:58.54 | tbamr | !resolution | sonmez |
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| 21:59.39 | sonmez | tbamr: Didn't get message from dpkg yet |
| 21:59.49 | tbamr | !resolution > sonmez |
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| 21:59.54 | sonmez | tbamr: Do you know sync ranges of a 15.4" screen? :-) |
| 21:59.55 | tbamr | damnit |
| 22:00.02 | tbamr | !tell sonmez about resolution |
| 22:00.42 | szymon_g | could anyone look at this http://www.wklej.org/id/4d0be965a8 i've got no idea what's wrong :-/ |
| 22:00.55 | tbamr | sonmez: 1280x 800 works fine for me. |
| 22:00.59 | tbamr | sonmez: that's 15.4 |
| 22:00.59 | DavidProck1981 | sonmez i dont think all 15.4" will all be the same, cause on the inside thire not all the same |
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| 22:01.26 | solar_ant | amphi: any leads ?// |
| 22:01.36 | holycow | pickcoder, thank you for all that info bro |
| 22:01.43 | holycow | that was very educational |
| 22:01.45 | holycow | appreciate the effort |
| 22:01.56 | sonmez | tbamr: It is 1024x768 for me :-( |
| 22:01.56 | amphi | solar_ant: I answered you in the appropriate channel ;) |
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| 22:02.18 | tbamr | sonmez: what does 'xrandr' do in the terminal ? |
| 22:02.26 | sonmez | tbamr: let me check.. |
| 22:02.34 | lymeca | If I change /etc/profile how do I apply the changes? |
| 22:02.41 | tbamr | lymeca: reload the shell |
| 22:03.00 | tbamr | lymeca: CTRL+D and then exec the shell again. change will be assured |
| 22:03.01 | sonmez | tbamr: lists three resolutions.. 1024x768, 800x ... |
| 22:03.07 | tbamr | sonmez: awesome |
| 22:03.14 | tbamr | sonmez: now do 'xrandr -h' |
| 22:03.36 | sonmez | then? |
| 22:03.38 | DavidProck1981 | sonmez i got a 22" wide screen LCD running at 1680x1050@60hz |
| 22:03.45 | tbamr | sonmez: read |
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| 22:04.28 | sonmez | DavidProck1981: ah that's good for you :-) |
| 22:04.40 | sonmez | tbamr: i have read but i don't know what to do with it |
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| 22:05.39 | tbamr | sonmez: 'xrandr -s 0' or 'xrand -s 1' or 'xrandr -s 2'. do that |
| 22:06.18 | DavidProck1981 | bbl |
| 22:06.27 | sonmez | well then i should type xrandr -s -1 to get 1280x800 :P |
| 22:06.34 | tbamr | not -1 ! sonmez |
| 22:06.46 | sonmez | tbamr: 1280x800 is not in the list |
| 22:06.55 | tbamr | sonmez: then you'd probably have to edit your xorg file |
| 22:07.05 | tbamr | sonmez: did you read dpkg's message ? |
| 22:07.13 | tbamr | !tell sonmez about resolution |
| 22:07.21 | sonmez | tbamr: then i need to know my sync ranges.. which i'm gonna learn by tomorrow morning |
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| 22:07.30 | tbamr | sonmez: godluck |
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| 22:07.53 | Lectus | Hello! I installed Debian, but I can't see my ntfs partition. How do I mount it? How do I enable automount? |
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| 22:08.07 | sonmez | tbamr: i hope technical service of company i bought this laptop knows that values |
| 22:08.15 | tbamr | !tell sonmez about ntfs-3g |
| 22:08.21 | tbamr | !tell Lectus about ntfs-3g |
| 22:08.26 | tbamr | sonmez: ok |
| 22:08.27 | sonmez | tbamr: not to me :-) |
| 22:08.39 | sonmez | thanks everyone.. |
| 22:08.46 | tbamr | goodluck |
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| 22:08.49 | NetGangsta | Hi, when I try to compile all my application on linux when I type "make" I get "make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop." |
| 22:08.57 | sonmez | and happy hacking |
| 22:09.06 | tbamr | NetGangsta: nano Makefile and see what's there |
| 22:09.21 | NetGangsta | nothing |
| 22:09.22 | tbamr | !tell NetGangsta about Makefile |
| 22:09.43 | tbamr | NetGangsta: then you -need- something in there |
| 22:09.44 | tbamr | :) |
| 22:09.48 | tbamr | rules to make a binary |
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| 22:10.55 | NetGangsta | maybe I need to reinstall make? |
| 22:11.00 | tsimmes | how can i install gtk2.0.3 or above for xchat2.8.4? |
| 22:11.32 | tsimmes | in the packages i have only libgtk2.0 |
| 22:12.39 | tbamr | NetGangsta: no make is a tool that uses Makefile to build a binary |
| 22:12.45 | Bogus8 | can you use msmtp alone to send email or do I need an "editor" or something to "form" the email message first? |
| 22:12.55 | tbamr | NetGangsta: if you don't have make, then -yes- you need make |
| 22:12.59 | tbamr | NetGangsta: i mean install it |
| 22:13.08 | NetGangsta | how can I know if I got make or not |
| 22:13.23 | tbamr | NetGangsta: type 'make' in the terminal |
| 22:13.38 | NetGangsta | make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 22:13.51 | tbamr | NetGangsta: ok you have 'make' but your Makefile isn't valid or missing |
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| 22:14.39 | tbamr | !tell NetGangsta about make |
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| 22:15.58 | Lectus | Where can I get ntfs-3g and ntfs-config packages? I can't find the on synaptic |
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| 22:16.34 | tbamr | !tell Lectus about ntfs-3g |
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| 22:17.06 | NetGangsta | im so fucked with that |
| 22:17.21 | NetGangsta | I dont really know how to fix that |
| 22:17.47 | tbamr | NetGangsta: download it again |
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| 22:18.13 | tbamr | NetGangsta: probably Makefile is corrupted. |
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| 22:18.28 | epp | hey |
| 22:18.45 | epp | whtas the package in etch thats the kernel sources? |
| 22:18.54 | epp | kernel-source-2.6? |
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| 22:19.22 | NetGangsta | so I need to reinstall my os? |
| 22:19.31 | Lectus | where can I find more repositories for apt? |
| 22:20.04 | valdyn | Lectus: uname -r |
| 22:20.36 | SimplySeth | is there a "switchdesk" app that lets yu switch from gnome to kde ? |
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| 22:21.21 | krazykit | SimplySeth: sort of. you can log out and back in with GDM/KDM. or start anther x session in vt8 or something |
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| 22:22.24 | SimplySeth | krazykit: so that means .. I'm missin' a package if it doesn't show up session types ... *sigh* .. |
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| 22:22.57 | valdyn | !install gnome |
| 22:22.58 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 22:23.11 | SimplySeth | !install kde |
| 22:23.11 | dpkg | somebody said install kde was In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 22:23.17 | logd | hi, i've a problem /dev/rfccomm dosn't exists but bluetooth services like obex works - how do i enable rfcomm and establish a spp connection to a mobile phone ? |
| 22:24.30 | SimplySeth | !list package |
| 22:24.38 | SimplySeth | !list files |
| 22:24.42 | slack101 | yo |
| 22:24.48 | slack101 | anyone here ever compiled a kernel ? |
| 22:25.09 | streuner | still no luck? |
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| 22:25.18 | SR71-Blackbird | NetGangsta, does every application give the same error? |
| 22:25.26 | slack101 | streuner, talking to me ? :P |
| 22:25.30 | tsimmes | hey i have a router and my domain name server always change to 10.0.0.138 and then i have dns problem, how can i resolve this problem? |
| 22:25.37 | SimplySeth | !show files |
| 22:25.43 | Lectus | my sources.list got messed up. Where can I find default repos? |
| 22:26.09 | NetGangsta | where can I get a clean version of Makefile ? |
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| 22:26.33 | evri2 | !showfiles |
| 22:26.50 | NetGangsta | !showfiles |
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| 22:27.02 | Enverex | What are you retards doing? |
| 22:27.02 | felix_ | !showfiles |
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| 22:27.58 | BadHorsie | haha |
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| 22:28.12 | evri2 | !showbabies |
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| 22:28.20 | SR71-Blackbird | Lectus, try this http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/pkgadm.htm |
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| 22:29.02 | SR71-Blackbird | NetGangsta, I think you need to download the file again |
| 22:29.05 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 22:29.11 | SimplySeth | wow this is frustratin |
| 22:29.39 | dondelelcaro | SimplySeth: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:29.56 | felix | dondelelcaro, ? |
| 22:30.24 | SimplySeth | dondelelcaro: list the packages installed by a particular program |
| 22:30.27 | krazykit | slack101: yes, i've compiled a kernel, but i can't answer questions for 20 minutes or so |
| 22:30.29 | dondelelcaro | SimplySeth: dpkg -L foopkg; |
| 22:30.53 | SimplySeth | dondelelcaro: por fin .. gracias .. thanks |
| 22:31.16 | dondelelcaro | felix: if you're actually here to ask debian related questions, I'll unsilence you |
| 22:31.24 | SR71-Blackbird | NetGangsta, what are u compiling.. is there a Makefile there anyways? |
| 22:32.11 | dondelelcaro | felix: but when the first and only thing you do when you join this channel is to ask a bot, you look suspicious. |
| 22:32.17 | NetGangsta | Makefile.in |
| 22:32.40 | epp | how to i check what kenel version im running? |
| 22:32.44 | felix | dondelelcaro, I won't ask nothing about debian at the moment. But I don't want to be silenced. |
| 22:32.46 | epp | krenel* |
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| 22:32.51 | epp | kernel** |
| 22:32.57 | streuner | epp: cat /proc/version |
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| 22:33.16 | epp | streuner, thx |
| 22:33.17 | felix | dondelelcaro, I assume my mistake. Sorry. I was kidding because everyone was asking that... sorry. I won't do that anymore. |
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| 22:34.55 | rainabba | Just woke up to find my screen blank and my box completely locked, couldn't even get a terminal on Ctrl-Alt-F1, F2, etc... SoI did a reset and fsck ran finding lots of errors. It rebooted again and now /sbin/getty doesn't exist so I don't have any terminals still. My install corrupt now? |
| 22:35.45 | SR71-Blackbird | epp, u can do uname -a too |
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| 22:36.33 | epp | SR71-Blackbird, yeh hoold on |
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| 22:36.38 | epp | im rebooting |
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| 22:39.26 | streuner | hm |
| 22:39.30 | dkr | SR71-Blackbird: the sr71 is the most awesome plane ever made. I just had to say that. |
| 22:39.58 | SR71-Blackbird | dkr, ok |
| 22:40.07 | dkr | a bit poor for an irc nickname, though. :) |
| 22:40.13 | dvs | dkr: too bad it's been decommissioned |
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| 22:40.39 | SR71-Blackbird | dkr, dvs its my way of giving tribute to such a great plane |
| 22:40.54 | dondelelcaro | ls |
| 22:41.04 | SR71-Blackbird | !ls |
| 22:41.04 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 22:41.11 | dvs | heh |
| 22:41.18 | dvs | that's dir |
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| 22:41.30 | SR71-Blackbird | !dir |
| 22:41.31 | dpkg | wrong OS, foo. CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 22:42.01 | epp | Linux debian.localdomain.local 2.4.31-box #1 Fri Jun 10 17:57:47 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:42.03 | clacker | and good ol' io.sys |
| 22:42.06 | epp | thats my uname -a |
| 22:42.24 | streuner | epp: so custom kernel? |
| 22:42.28 | epp | yes |
| 22:42.46 | epp | it was modified to run on the xbox without eroor |
| 22:43.04 | streuner | hm |
| 22:43.21 | streuner | not many people run xbox here with Debian |
| 22:43.46 | epp | yeh im having some troubles getting my kernel upgraded to 2.6 |
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| 22:43.59 | streuner | why do you want that? |
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| 22:44.03 | epp | 2.6? |
| 22:44.07 | streuner | yes |
| 22:44.18 | simonrvn | who was that? |
| 22:44.39 | streuner | 2.4.x kernels arent that big vs. 2.6.x, they have advantages |
| 22:44.57 | krazykit | epp: xebian? |
| 22:44.58 | simonrvn | ah |
| 22:45.13 | epp | no, i just took xebians kernel |
| 22:45.29 | epp | my os is Etch through and through |
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| 22:45.48 | streuner | but those kernels doesnt work for your box? |
| 22:46.00 | epp | yes |
| 22:46.03 | epp | 2.4 does |
| 22:46.05 | krazykit | epp: then you'll want to figure out what they patched 2.4 with and hope they have patches for 2.6, or good luck with porting them forward |
| 22:46.09 | epp | but i get this error on running this program |
| 22:46.11 | epp | Could not create epoll fd (/dev/epoll). |
| 22:46.22 | epp | says i need 2.6 |
| 22:46.36 | epp | krazykit, someone has done it |
| 22:46.38 | epp | http://xbox.coresec.de/ |
| 22:46.48 | epp | i just install that package and it whould work |
| 22:46.50 | epp | but its not |
| 22:46.59 | epp | i get a kernel panic |
| 22:47.01 | simonrvn | epp: yes, epoll was introduced in 2.6 |
| 22:47.18 | simonrvn | 2.4 kernels do not have epoll |
| 22:47.29 | simonrvn | 'would' |
| 22:47.32 | epp | yeh, thats why im upgrading |
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| 22:48.11 | DavidProck1981 | epp did u have to apply a hardware modifaction to the xbox to get linux / debian on it? |
| 22:48.13 | dclarke | anyone here familiar with USB sticks and how to create partition tables etc ? |
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| 22:48.35 | epp | DavidProck1981, i had to flash cromwell bios onto it |
| 22:48.41 | simonrvn | dclarke: AFAIK you don't. IIRC you treat them like a floppy |
| 22:48.52 | dclarke | simmerz : thanks |
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| 22:49.11 | dclarke | simonrvn : sorry .. I meant your nick there |
| 22:49.38 | dclarke | simonrvn : well ... I need to lay down a partition table and filesystem that is both bootable and readable by other machines too |
| 22:49.42 | xand | that's not necessarily correct |
| 22:49.48 | xand | you can treat them like USB harddisks |
| 22:49.59 | xand | you can have partitions or not, doesn't matter much |
| 22:50.03 | simonrvn | ok, wasn't sure if you can *also* do that |
| 22:50.04 | dclarke | USB hard disk .. yes .. that seems to be what I see here |
| 22:50.11 | simonrvn | s,can,could, |
| 22:51.01 | dclarke | http://rafb.net/p/l0DB3J70.htm |
| 22:51.22 | dclarke | there .. you can see that my debian stable system recognixes and automounts the USB hard disk |
| 22:51.49 | dclarke | it seems able to "see" the two filesystem there .. both created by Solaris x86 |
| 22:52.40 | dclarke | sysadm@aequitas:~/local$ ls -lap /dev/sda* |
| 22:52.40 | dclarke | brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 8, 0 2007-07-02 18:46 /dev/sda |
| 22:52.46 | dclarke | looks like a floppy however |
| 22:52.50 | dclarke | it says floppy there |
| 22:53.26 | holycow | *hmmm* |
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| 22:53.57 | holycow | if i have extended partitions and try to dd out the mbr ... wouldn't the extended partition data located in the mbr? |
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| 22:54.05 | epp | AH ficed it im booting 2.6 |
| 22:54.19 | holycow | when i dd back the file i don't see any of the subpartition tables show up |
| 22:54.25 | dclarke | http://rafb.net/p/eVG5rG98.html |
| 22:54.31 | dclarke | there is the partition table |
| 22:54.34 | kamui | need some advice, I set up a new installation of debian at work for my workstation pc. I didnt' realize that the ssh server wasn't running by default. is there any way I can remotely log into the machine to configure it from home or am I screwed until tomorrow |
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| 22:55.09 | dclarke | kamui : I guess telnet won't work eh ? |
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| 22:55.30 | kamui | I didn't think ANY linux distro had unsecure telnetd running at boot time by default |
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| 22:55.44 | holycow | none do |
| 22:55.58 | dclarke | sorry .. just a wild guess on my part |
| 22:56.02 | streuner | Debian doesnt run telnetd by default |
| 22:56.05 | kamui | are remote X connections off by defualt as well? |
| 22:56.12 | holycow | yep |
| 22:56.16 | holycow | everything is |
| 22:56.20 | kamui | damn it |
| 22:56.30 | kamui | I guess Ill have to wait until tomorrow |
| 22:56.42 | dclarke | you can always drive back tonight |
| 22:56.46 | kamui | naah |
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| 22:56.49 | dclarke | its an option .. and its not pretty |
| 22:56.56 | kamui | I just wanted to start some remote installs |
| 22:57.01 | kamui | no way Im going back in tonight :) |
| 22:57.18 | dclarke | okay .. yeah .. well then your screwed until tomorrow |
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| 22:57.34 | kamui | one more thing, anyone know off the top of their head if debian has support for the wifimax out of the box? |
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| 22:57.50 | omha | hey guys from uk |
| 22:57.51 | dclarke | I don't even know what wifimax is |
| 22:57.53 | omha | apple likes you |
| 22:57.54 | omha | http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=6C04E07A&nplm=TM258 |
| 22:57.59 | omha | 1tb hhd 20 quit |
| 22:58.03 | omha | hdd* |
| 22:58.25 | kamui | I believe the wifimax uses the ZD1211B zydias driver |
| 22:58.27 | streuner | omha: wtf are you telling that us, wanna spam us? |
| 22:58.42 | omha | streuner, wanna help you |
| 22:58.52 | omha | streuner, apple did a mistake on pricing |
| 22:58.58 | dclarke | omha : it says $19.95 for 1 TB |
| 22:59.04 | dclarke | oops .. someone screwed up |
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| 22:59.18 | simmerz | yeah just a touch. |
| 22:59.21 | omha | dclarke, pretty nice offer |
| 22:59.36 | dclarke | its a digit slip and they will never ship it |
| 22:59.38 | simmerz | problem is, i've known that other online retailers haven't honoured sales like that |
| 22:59.46 | dclarke | meanwhile .. I need to install GRUB2 here |
| 23:00.00 | Sven`home | Hi, I am trying to compile irssi from source to get the proxy module. configure doesn't find termcap/terminfo althought I installed ncurses-term. is there anything else I need to install? |
| 23:00.04 | omha | dclarke, many ppl have already bought it |
| 23:00.15 | dclarke | oh |
| 23:00.16 | dclarke | wow |
| 23:00.27 | dclarke | but will they ever "get it" |
| 23:00.30 | dclarke | that is the issue |
| 23:00.32 | valdyn | omha: such an offer isnt binding, in many countries |
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| 23:00.52 | simmerz | anyway, its incredibly off-topic in here |
| 23:01.09 | dclarke | tis indeed |
| 23:01.32 | simmerz | omha: #hardware might be the place to chat about it |
| 23:02.14 | davidL | so what happens when you buy that? |
| 23:02.41 | omha | davidL, you get a 1tb hdd |
| 23:02.59 | valdyn | davidL: they'll run out of stock, for instance |
| 23:03.17 | damog | Sven`home: are you trying to rebuild the source? |
| 23:03.31 | davidL | but the price is £25.24?? |
| 23:03.37 | Sven`home | damog: ? |
| 23:03.45 | damog | |
| 23:03.54 | valdyn | davidL: wow, more expensive in the uk than usa? |
| 23:04.22 | streuner | damog: hi |
| 23:04.24 | streuner | :-) |
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| 23:04.35 | davidL | valdyn: that's a mistake though............... |
| 23:04.37 | Sven`home | damog: I downloaded the irssi-sources and am trying to ./configure |
| 23:04.48 | simmerz | it's always more expensive in the uk than the usa. unless its debian! :P |
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| 23:05.13 | davidL | are you saying that if I pay £25.24, I will get a 1 tb harddrive |
| 23:05.39 | simmerz | davidL: I would suggest that you'd be hard pushed to actually receive the item. can this conversation be taken elsewhere? |
| 23:05.52 | rainabba | Just woke up to find my screen blank and my box completely locked, couldn't even get a terminal on Ctrl-Alt-F1, F2, etc... SoI did a reset and fsck ran finding lots of errors. It rebooted again and now /sbin/getty doesn't exist so I don't have any terminals still. My install corrupt now? |
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| 23:05.53 | damog | streuner: heya! |
| 23:06.08 | krazykit | rainabba: sounds like it. |
| 23:06.14 | damog | Sven`home: You can check the build-deps of the irssi package |
| 23:06.25 | simonrvn | rainabba: bad drive it sounds like |
| 23:06.30 | simonrvn | check your drive |
| 23:06.50 | rainabba | Running 4-disk Raid-5 so that should be the case... unless linux software Raid is unreliable. |
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| 23:07.30 | simonrvn | plenty of people run it, with no problems |
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| 23:09.26 | valdyn | rainabba: is the raid still complete? |
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| 23:10.20 | rudenstam | I upgraded a sarge installation to etch, also upgraded the kernel... now I intended to reboot into the new kernel but I get |
| 23:10.24 | rudenstam | shutdown: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl |
| 23:10.24 | rudenstam | init: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl |
| 23:10.27 | rudenstam | any tips ? |
| 23:10.36 | dclarke | can I get a hand here ? I want to create a FAT filesystem on a USB stick such that it is portable between systems |
| 23:10.46 | dclarke | I would rather use ufs |
| 23:10.57 | dclarke | but it looks like I can not mount ufs with debian |
| 23:11.08 | krazykit | dclarke: mkfs.vfat |
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| 23:11.21 | dclarke | sorry .. before I try that |
| 23:11.28 | dclarke | can I mount ufs ? |
| 23:11.32 | krazykit | dclarke: ufs is bsd? |
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| 23:11.49 | dclarke | the USB thumbdrive has a ufs filesystem on it from Solaris x86 |
| 23:11.57 | krazykit | ooh, solaris. |
| 23:12.03 | rainabba | valdyn: Shows clean with mdadm |
| 23:12.07 | krazykit | there might be a read-only driver in the kernel. |
| 23:12.14 | krazykit | dclarke: can't solaris mount ext2? |
| 23:12.16 | dclarke | mount -v -t ufs ufstype=sunx86 -o noatime /dev/sda6 /mnt |
| 23:12.35 | dclarke | krazykit : maybe it can .. maybe it can't |
| 23:12.37 | davidL | ufs support on debian is experimental |
| 23:12.43 | dclarke | oh heck |
| 23:13.30 | dclarke | so there is no easy way to mount this ufs filesystem in read-write mode |
| 23:13.43 | davidL | ufsutils -- |
| 23:13.48 | dclarke | unless I recompile mount |
| 23:13.55 | dclarke | ufsutils ? |
| 23:13.59 | davidL | ufsutils -- http://packages.debian.org/experimental/utils/ufsutils |
| 23:14.04 | dclarke | hrmm .. let me run aptitude search |
| 23:14.31 | krazykit | dclarke: it won't show up unless you have experimental as a repo (not a good idea, really) |
| 23:14.31 | valdyn | rainabba: there cant really be alot gone |
| 23:14.31 | davidL | WARNING: This is an experimental package, it may damage your filesystem. |
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| 23:15.10 | valdyn | rainabba: getty missing is somewhat strange, on a system where that file isnt actually being touched |
| 23:15.32 | pickcoder | rudenstam: is init running? |
| 23:15.37 | dclarke | davidL : is there a wy I can grab the sources to ufsutils and build it on my stable system here ? |
| 23:15.39 | davidL | dclarke: there are really only two ways you can go to share drives between linux and bsd: ext2 or msdosfs (or ext3) |
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| 23:15.56 | rainabba | valdyn: Getty is pretty core too right? That's why I'm concerned here. |
| 23:15.56 | davidL | dclarke: yeah I believe so |
| 23:15.59 | dclarke | hrmmm |
| 23:16.02 | valdyn | rainabba: i'd chroot to your system and use debsums ( or boot the system if you can ) |
| 23:16.07 | valdyn | rainabba: sure it is |
| 23:16.16 | rudenstam | pickcoder: init with pid 1 is running.. also have a [init] defunct though.. |
| 23:16.25 | rudenstam | [init] <defunct> even |
| 23:16.30 | dclarke | davidL : strange that there is no decent UFS support in debian given that Solaris uses it almost exclusively |
| 23:16.45 | rainabba | valdyn: I'm booted now. Into X at that. Only trouble I'm noticing is the missing getty |
| 23:16.45 | davidL | dclarke: yes I agree, it bugs the hell out of me |
| 23:16.52 | dclarke | davidL : I guess we have to wait for ZFS to get all over the place |
| 23:16.57 | davidL | heh |
| 23:17.12 | davidL | freebsd 7.0 should be out in a month or so |
| 23:17.12 | dclarke | in the mean time .. I have to figure out how to install grub2 on this stick |
| 23:17.16 | rainabba | Hmm, just noticed my time is wrong too...... Uhh ohhh |
| 23:17.43 | valdyn | rainabba: apt-get install --reinstall util-linux |
| 23:17.45 | pickcoder | rudenstam: hm |
| 23:18.13 | dclarke | aptitude search grub2 returns .. nothing |
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| 23:18.20 | valdyn | rainabba: is that an internet exposed server that could have been cracked ? |
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| 23:18.42 | pickcoder | rudenstam: what does "telinit q" do |
| 23:18.43 | davidL | dclarke: you can download it here: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/u/ufsutils/ufsutils_0.0+2004.06.26.orig.tar.gz |
| 23:19.01 | rudenstam | pickcoder: also times out |
| 23:19.02 | rainabba | valdyn: Looks like it's just a UTC issue |
| 23:19.10 | rainabba | Supprised I had noticed it before |
| 23:19.13 | pickcoder | can you halt the box? |
| 23:19.21 | dclarke | 19:19:18 (192.19 KB/s) - `ufsutils_0.0+2004.06.26.orig.tar.gz' saved [410121/410121] |
| 23:19.24 | dclarke | thank you |
| 23:19.32 | valdyn | rainabba: utc issue doesnt rm /sbin/getty |
| 23:19.33 | GreaseMonkey | "Q or q tell init to re-examine the /etc/inittab file." |
| 23:19.40 | rudenstam | pickcoder: hmm.. I can try I guess.. let's hope the local guy is awake :) |
| 23:19.47 | pickcoder | oh |
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| 23:19.53 | pickcoder | you may have to power cycle t he box |
| 23:20.01 | pickcoder | init didn't reload properly |
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| 23:20.07 | rainabba | valdyn: :) I meant about the time being wrong |
| 23:20.13 | pickcoder | one option is to go to single user |
| 23:20.18 | rudenstam | pickcoder: you think it will boot properly if powercycled ? |
| 23:20.19 | pickcoder | and then switch back |
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| 23:20.36 | pickcoder | rudenstam: who knows.. something definately broke during upgrade |
| 23:20.55 | pickcoder | more than likely it will be fine |
| 23:21.00 | pickcoder | once the defunct init is gone |
| 23:21.05 | pickcoder | and the other init reloads |
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| 23:21.16 | rainabba | I have it in my head that most other distros talk down Fedora, that true or wrong? If true, why? |
| 23:21.34 | rudenstam | pickcoder: hmm.. okey |
| 23:21.35 | dondelelcaro | rainabba: we don't really talk about Fedora at all. |
| 23:21.42 | dondelelcaro | down, up, left, right, or otherwise. |
| 23:21.46 | dclarke | hrmm .. looks like building ufsutils-0.0+2004.06.26 will be non-trivial |
| 23:21.59 | rudenstam | pickcoder: let's hope for the best :) |
| 23:22.04 | damog | dclarke: why? |
| 23:22.07 | dclarke | what's Fedora ? |
| 23:22.18 | valdyn | !fedora |
| 23:22.18 | dpkg | Fedora is the Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, altough it is not supported by RedHat officially, you can get help from the comunity: #fedora http://fedoraproject.org/ |
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| 23:22.36 | dclarke | damog : stacks of Makefiles .. looks like I have to get in there and make em all individually and then try a linking stage |
| 23:22.58 | rudenstam | pickcoder: how about feeding -n to shutdown ? |
| 23:23.09 | pickcoder | you can try it, but more than likely init is going to complain |
| 23:23.19 | rudenstam | okey :) |
| 23:23.28 | rudenstam | ssh died at least |
| 23:23.32 | SimplySeth | !whatprovides |
| 23:24.06 | valdyn | rudenstam: i would mount -o rw the mounted partitions first.., at least run sync |
| 23:24.26 | valdyn | rudenstam: err, mount -o ro |
| 23:24.41 | rudenstam | pickcoder: rebooted nicely |
| 23:24.56 | pickcoder | I would force an fsck on another reboot |
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| 23:25.10 | pickcoder | unless you don't have console access |
| 23:25.20 | rudenstam | pickcoder: the force fsck... works on all fs ? |
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| 23:25.45 | Lectus | Hello! I'm having trouble mounting my NTFS partition. I can't see it on /media/ |
| 23:25.54 | pickcoder | you mean there's not another FS other than ext2? |
| 23:25.57 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 23:26.01 | Lectus | what's the problem? Also i can't find ntfs-3g on the repositories |
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| 23:26.14 | damog | Try Ext4! |
| 23:26.41 | pickcoder | rudenstam: there shouldn't be any problems, but it wouldn't hurt to check whatever fs you use |
| 23:26.47 | dclarke | anyone here ever worked with grub2 ? |
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| 23:26.53 | rudenstam | pickcoder: just out of curiousity.. it's an ext3 so shouldn't be any problem :) |
| 23:27.00 | bzed | Lectus: sounds like you're using etch |
| 23:27.01 | bzed | :) |
| 23:27.10 | pickcoder | ext3 is ext2 with journals turned on |
| 23:27.16 | bzed | Lectus: probably the ntfs-3g is on backports.org |
| 23:27.18 | rudenstam | yeah.. I know :) |
| 23:27.21 | holycow | i love linux. hotdamn. this imaging of hds is just a bloody breeze and so fast on this platform |
| 23:27.27 | holycow | stuff *just works* (tm) |
| 23:27.29 | rudenstam | more like if it was reiser or something.. |
| 23:27.41 | bzed | holycow: hds? as in hitachi data storage? |
| 23:28.09 | holycow | no hard drives ... i'm imaging data between hds not necessarily of the same size |
| 23:28.45 | Lectus | bzed: Yes, I'm using etch. Should I install the other version? |
| 23:28.49 | holycow | pickcoder, lol! |
| 23:28.54 | Lectus | I really want a stable one, not testing |
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| 23:29.24 | valdyn | !ntfsrw |
| 23:29.25 | dpkg | from memory, ntfsrw is for beta-quality write support on i386, amd64 and possibly others, see <ntfs-3g>. For stable read-only support, ask me about <read-ntfs> |
| 23:29.28 | krazykit | Lectus: then stick with etch |
| 23:29.32 | reno | re |
| 23:29.35 | valdyn | !ntfsro |
| 23:29.35 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 23:30.22 | valdyn | pickcoder: its referring to debian archesm wrongly |
| 23:30.51 | bzed | Lectus: |
| 23:30.54 | bzed | Lectus: no |
| 23:30.56 | pickcoder | bad dpkg! no cookie |
| 23:31.10 | bzed | Lectus: go to backports.org and check if there's a backport for etch, of ntfs-3g |
| 23:31.15 | bzed | Lectus: and isntall that one |
| 23:31.36 | Lectus | bzed: OK. I'll try. |
| 23:31.39 | dkr | ntfs-3g is already in etch |
| 23:31.46 | bzed | dkr: it was removed |
| 23:31.55 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 23:31.59 | dkr | oh really? I didn't notice |
| 23:32.15 | dvs | !info ntfs-3g |
| 23:32.19 | dpkg | ntfs-3g: (read-write NTFS driver for FUSE), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1:1.616-1 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 23:32.21 | rainabba | So about this missing Getty. Should I now consider this install unstable and start over? |
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| 23:32.56 | dondelelcaro | rainabba: you can just reinstall util-linux or whatever you're doing. |
| 23:33.12 | bzed | rainabba: sounds more like a dying disk drive to me, I never managed to get rid of getty by doing hard resets... |
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| 23:33.32 | dkr | removing software from stable seems a bit odd, though. isn't that against policy? |
| 23:33.34 | bzed | rainabba: but as dondelelcaro said - reinstalling the broken packages sounds better |
| 23:33.46 | bzed | dkr: before it was released of course |
| 23:34.09 | dondelelcaro | dkr: it's done in a few cases; generally when it's so buggy that no one should even attempt to use it, or it's illegal for us to distribute |
| 23:34.15 | dondelelcaro | (but in general it's not done0 |
| 23:34.15 | grendal_prime | if iwanted to dd an entire hd...it would be like...dd /dev/hda of=/mnt/backups/myback.img |
| 23:34.18 | grendal_prime | is that right? |
| 23:34.29 | dkr | ah |
| 23:34.31 | dclarke | add in a block size also |
| 23:34.36 | grendal_prime | and that should get the mbr as well right? |
| 23:34.39 | rainabba | bzed: I agree, but if one thing that critical has gone missing, I wonder what else has. Thinking I should treat this like I would a virus infection and just play it safe. Overboard? |
| 23:34.54 | valdyn | grendal_prime: you would probably use a tool that does this better |
| 23:34.59 | dclarke | grendal_prime : there are better ways to do a backup |
| 23:35.00 | bzed | rainabba: virus on linux? I doubt that. |
| 23:35.12 | dkr | hrm, lighting/thunder outside and now I can't ping my box at home |
| 23:35.29 | valdyn | rainabba: use debsums |
| 23:35.33 | grendal_prime | valdyn: ya well we have tried all kinds of things..problem is...this is on a dom and it seems the only way to really get every thing is to use something very low level |
| 23:35.47 | dclarke | dkr : the internet was designed to survive a nuclear blast .. not rain |
| 23:35.48 | valdyn | grendal_prime: partimage? |
| 23:35.56 | grendal_prime | partimage cant seem to get the mbr off |
| 23:36.36 | rainabba | bzed: Not saying it's a virus, saying I wonder if I should handle it like one (not knowing what is broken and what's not). I'll man debsums, never used it. |
| 23:36.37 | grendal_prime | that was what we wanted to do..we can get the primary partition but every time we try and get the mbr from the image we get an cant find block 0 error |
| 23:37.07 | grendal_prime | the entire install is only 320 megs and the storage device is only a gig. |
| 23:37.11 | valdyn | grendal_prime: your primary partition has an mbr? |
| 23:37.28 | valdyn | grendal_prime: umm |
| 23:37.33 | grendal_prime | no, but i cant seem to get the hd0 |
| 23:38.09 | grendal_prime | if you can explain what im doing wrong that would be great cause im obciously not doing something right and i would love to use partimage to do this. |
| 23:38.23 | bzed | grendal_prime: reading the manpage would help. |
| 23:38.33 | bzed | grendal_prime: it's dd if=/dev/foo of=/dev/bar |
| 23:38.40 | grendal_prime | by the way the guys in the windows lab thought that ghost would do it for sure...which was wrong |
| 23:38.42 | valdyn | grendal_prime: i dont really know what you are trying to do exactly |
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| 23:39.12 | bzed | grendal_prime: also that's a pretty slow way to make a backup of a disk, tar would be my way of choice |
| 23:39.14 | valdyn | grendal_prime: dd cant miss stuff , nor can partimage, unless you specify the wrong block device.. |
| 23:39.28 | grendal_prime | well...i have an appliance..its on a ram module thing...DOM its called. |
| 23:40.12 | grendal_prime | and im trying to take the production device and dup it to several others...the boot process is crucial..its part of the appliance.. |
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| 23:41.34 | grendal_prime | if i could partimage the hda device (the DOM) to a file then parimage back onto the new DOMS that would be great..but when i partimage the hda1 that is all i get im not presented with just hda |
| 23:42.00 | grendal_prime | kim assuming that the mbr is on hda0 ? |
| 23:42.12 | valdyn | grendal_prime: its on hda |
| 23:42.18 | grendal_prime | hmm |
| 23:42.29 | valdyn | grendal_prime: the first few bytes, dont know exactly |
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| 23:42.41 | grendal_prime | i dont get the option of hda |
| 23:42.55 | grendal_prime | only hda1 and mbr is on the first 512 i think |
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| 23:43.07 | valdyn | grendal_prime: dd is fine.. |
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| 23:43.36 | k-man_ | i didn't realise userdel doesn't remove home dirs by default |
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| 23:43.49 | valdyn | k-man_: you're supposed to use deluser |
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| 23:43.55 | k-man_ | how can i check for homedirs that have no corresponding user in /etc/passwd? |
| 23:44.06 | k-man_ | valdyn, oh... well, that doesn't remove home dirs by default either |
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| 23:44.14 | Atomy | hi how can i reinstall or repair this: /sbin/chkconfig: No such file or directory |
| 23:44.15 | valdyn | k-man_: right |
| 23:44.43 | k-man_ | valdyn, so how can i find all home dirs with no corresponding user (home dirs in /home) |
| 23:44.44 | valdyn | !find sbin/chkconfig |
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| 23:44.52 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'sbin/chkconfig' returned no results. |
| 23:45.03 | Atomy | !find chkconfig |
| 23:45.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'chkconfig' (3): (/usr/share/lyx/chkconfig.ltx) in editors/lyx-common ;; (/usr/share/zsh/4.3.4/functions/Completion/Unix/_chkconfig) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/4.3.4-dev-0/functions/Completion/Unix/_chkconfig) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 23:45.41 | valdyn | k-man_: obviously that file is nowhere in debian |
| 23:46.09 | k-man_ | valdyn, huh? |
| 23:46.13 | grendal_prime | looks like its stuck |
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| 23:46.32 | cheeseboy | im trying to compile mysql i get these errors http://pastebin.ca/600579 how do i fix? |
| 23:46.33 | grendal_prime | nevermind it did it |
| 23:46.33 | rahul | k-man_: what is a "home dir"? |
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| 23:46.49 | rahul | k-man_: if it's not specified as a home dir for a user in /etc/passwd, it's not a home dir |
| 23:47.05 | rahul | k-man_: so you'd probably end up wanting to delete 99% of the dirs on your disk |
| 23:47.12 | k-man_ | ok |
| 23:47.14 | k-man_ | whatever |
| 23:47.26 | valdyn | k-man_: maybe looking at the deluser manpage is a good idea |
| 23:47.51 | rahul | yeah, whatever |
| 23:47.51 | rahul | pff. |
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| 23:51.10 | Wyzard | Is it just me, or is aptitude really slow on amd64 since the update (in sid) a few days ago? |
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| 23:51.27 | simonrvn | you've had an update for aptitude? |
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| 23:52.06 | Wyzard | simonrvn: apt, apt-utils, and aptitude all got upgraded on Friday |
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| 23:52.24 | simonrvn | meh |
| 23:52.29 | Wyzard | simonrvn: 0.6.46.4-0.1 -> 0.7.2-0.1 for the first two, 0.4.4-4 -> 0.4.4-4+b1 for the latter |
| 23:52.39 | simonrvn | ok |
| 23:52.59 | Wyzard | It's fine in i386, but quite slow at "reading package lists", or whatever that step is, on amd64 |
| 23:53.02 | simonrvn | duh, had it on hold... |
| 23:53.19 | valdyn | Wyzard: very slow |
| 23:53.27 | valdyn | Wyzard: or very very slow =/ |
| 23:53.40 | simonrvn | libept probably |
| 23:53.44 | Wyzard | yeah, probably |
| 23:53.58 | Wyzard | valdyn: well, it takes a minute or two to start now, rather than a few seconds :-/ |
| 23:54.50 | valdyn | Building tag database... Done ... |
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| 23:55.14 | dclarke | question : what is a "GPT partitioned system" ? |
| 23:55.49 | reiser2 | Hi |
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| 23:56.11 | karrotx | hmm |
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| 23:57.30 | simonrvn | valdyn: it's supposed to run the debtags update daily in cron... maybe it isn't? |
| 23:58.31 | julian_demarchi | has there been an update on automatrix2 for amd64? have not seen a post on the website for some time now |
| 23:58.49 | valdyn | simonrvn: weird that its stuck between 2 jobs , between Building tag database... Done <- long wait -> The following packages have been kept back: |
| 23:59.06 | Wyzard | julian_demarchi: That looks like a tool for Ubuntu, not Debian |
| 23:59.24 | julian_demarchi | Wyzard: No it is debian to. |
| 23:59.52 | valdyn | simonrvn: debtags was not even installed |
| 23:59.58 | valdyn | simonrvn: if that's what it is |
