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| 00:00.08 | rocketma1net | i have the file allready downloaded |
| 00:00.11 | gerund_fecund | c has subroutines |
| 00:00.12 | gerund_fecund | who needs objects when ya have subroutines! |
| 00:00.16 | gerund_fecund | yeah! |
| 00:00.29 | gerund_fecund | Im so sick of all the young women jsut wanting me for sex |
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| 00:00.45 | alterego | Have they removed the apache2-ssl-certificate script? |
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| 00:01.34 | alterego | Nevermind. Found what I was looking for :D |
| 00:01.37 | stoned | krazykit: do hex next :D |
| 00:01.47 | stoned | argh i gotta go pickup some people, bye |
| 00:04.09 | gat-man | can someone please link me to a tutorial on installing beryl\xgl on Etch with an ATi? |
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| 00:04.51 | julian_demarchi | google it |
| 00:04.58 | gat-man | I di |
| 00:05.00 | gat-man | d |
| 00:05.05 | julian_demarchi | did the beryl website not help? |
| 00:05.06 | gat-man | all I got was ubuntu stuff |
| 00:05.15 | gat-man | can you just link? |
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| 00:05.29 | kritical | I'm trying to do `apt-get -t testing install libfuse2` and it's installing the stable version, can anyone see what I might be doing wrong? |
| 00:05.40 | julian_demarchi | http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 00:06.18 | dogmeat | how can i view the list of processes that are using shared memory? |
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| 00:06.54 | DragonD | where can i find some info on the /etc/network/inderfaces file? |
| 00:07.09 | julian_demarchi | google it! |
| 00:07.24 | streuner | DragonD: ifupdown package |
| 00:07.44 | streuner | DragonD: (/usr/share/doc/ifupdown) |
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| 00:08.17 | DragonD | streuner: know where i can find that online? |
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| 00:08.29 | gat-man | that wiki site isnt working for me... |
| 00:08.36 | eifzon | whathell can be this problem? i can play Quake4 in newplayer, but when i am trying to start an multiplayer game, my q4 just restarts and it came a black screen |
| 00:08.42 | streuner | DragonD: are you allowed to use google in your country? |
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| 00:09.18 | ki11bi11 | how can i tell which boot loader i'm using |
| 00:09.36 | DragonD | streuner: umm yeah but google is not really finding what i'm looking for but i found some info that's helping me |
| 00:09.40 | streuner | if you dont know prolly grub |
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| 00:10.03 | krazykit | ki11bi11, grub or lilo. ls /boot/. if you see grub... you're using grub |
| 00:10.18 | streuner | DragonD: what kind of info do you need exactly? |
| 00:10.34 | urv | dogmeat: lsof |
| 00:10.38 | streuner | DragonD: only some examples? |
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| 00:11.19 | ki11bi11 | krazykit, thx |
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| 00:11.53 | DragonD | dows this /etc/network/interfaces look right? http://pastebin.ca/602304 |
| 00:11.58 | Exy | Which toolkit is more commonly used, GTK or QT? |
| 00:12.12 | cafuego | Yes |
| 00:12.49 | krazykit | Exy, hard to say. why does it matter? |
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| 00:13.20 | cafuego | Qt is used more oftn by KDE developers, gtk by Gnome devs. |
| 00:13.29 | Exy | krazykit, Just trying to decide on KDE or Gnome and I really can't choose :/ Just trying to find reasons to go more with one over the other |
| 00:13.40 | firsm | I'm trying to remove a package, but I can't get it off my system, any ideas? http://rafb.net/p/I8zw3R25.html |
| 00:14.02 | krazykit | Exy, gnome is more about "hide away settings and crap" and kde is more like "hey all the sttings are right freakin here!". it's just a matter of preference. |
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| 00:14.17 | DragonD | streuner: i need to set multiple ips on one interface(eth0) did you look at that like? does it look right? |
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| 00:15.35 | Exy | krazykit, Well, it's the feel and look too that makes a big difference... |
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| 00:16.13 | Exy | krazykit, Gnome is annoying me though how it completely wrecks my gnome panel layouts if I change screenmode |
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| 00:16.33 | krazykit | Exy, xfce is an option too ;-) |
| 00:17.11 | Exy | krazykit, I want a full desktop |
| 00:17.26 | krazykit | depends on your definition of "full" :P |
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| 00:17.29 | rocketma1net | how to install gpg key into apt ?? |
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| 00:17.52 | streuner | DragonD: no idea, but just read that http://paste.debian.net/31952 |
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| 00:18.38 | julian_demarchi | eth0:1 is the correct sytax dragonD |
| 00:18.46 | julian_demarchi | then setup like usual under that |
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| 00:19.04 | urv | rocketma1net: apt-key |
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| 00:20.02 | julian_demarchi | DragonD: Here is an example |
| 00:20.04 | julian_demarchi | auto eth1:0 |
| 00:20.04 | julian_demarchi | iface eth1:0 inet static |
| 00:20.05 | julian_demarchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.05 | julian_demarchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.05 | julian_demarchi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:20.06 | DragonD | umm so i have this remote server that i have to configure lots of files to edit and it is really annoying tring to use putty with a 2-3 second lag cause of my internet connection. anyone know of any alternative way to configure everything that would be eiser on my laggy connection? |
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| 00:21.15 | dondelelcaro | DragonD: you can use emacs or vim's remote edit support |
| 00:22.06 | DragonD | streuner: thanks. |
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| 00:22.43 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | help, how I can share mi pppoe internet connection on debian??? |
| 00:23.02 | streuner | ipmasq |
| 00:23.20 | streuner | apt-get install ipmasq |
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| 00:26.10 | eifzon | Anyone know how i can get icons on desktop that shows my HDD/GPU and CPU temp? |
| 00:26.24 | julian_demarchi | Gdesklets |
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| 00:26.29 | streuner | or gkrellm |
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| 00:29.32 | lusher00 | is there something special i have to do to get KDE? Do i have to install it seperatly because i finish my install and i have the most generic desktop i have ever seen with no apps what so ever |
| 00:29.48 | julian_demarchi | KDE is not installed by default |
| 00:29.55 | julian_demarchi | Do u have the KDE install cd? |
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| 00:30.12 | lusher00 | i do now... I didnt notice there was one till this morning |
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| 00:30.27 | julian_demarchi | should be able to install it of the CD/DVD |
| 00:30.36 | lusher00 | but im using the netinstall now |
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| 00:30.42 | fd | how do I back up a fat file system? |
| 00:30.56 | julian_demarchi | ok, you have to finish of the instlal then install KDE next, via apt or synaptic |
| 00:31.05 | julian_demarchi | dd to another disk? |
| 00:31.29 | lusher00 | thankyou, ill be back with more questions later. I use slackware but im doing this for someone else |
| 00:31.41 | julian_demarchi | ok. :) |
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| 00:34.16 | fd | julian_demarchi dd to a file (if possible I would like to mount the file with -o loop) |
| 00:34.16 | DragonD | Is this right: http://pastebin.ca/602333? |
| 00:34.44 | julian_demarchi | correct DragonD |
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| 00:35.47 | eifzon | how do i uinstall a game like quake4? |
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| 00:36.38 | h3xis | eifzon does it not come with an uninstaller? it's been a while since i've installed it but i think there's a script that will do it for you |
| 00:36.57 | nitro4ce | eifzon: execute the uninstall script |
| 00:37.20 | eifzon | nitro4ce: how |
| 00:37.49 | nitro4ce | eifzon: cd <dir> |
| 00:37.52 | nitro4ce | eifzon: ./<name of the uninstall script> |
| 00:38.12 | eifzon | nitro4ce: i dont know what the uninstall script is |
| 00:38.27 | nitro4ce | eifzon: take a look at the game directory |
| 00:38.43 | eifzon | I am in there nitro4ce |
| 00:39.19 | nitro4ce | eifzon: i don't have quake4 but there should be a file named 'uninstall' |
| 00:39.43 | eifzon | it isnt |
| 00:39.46 | eifzon | i tried ./uninstall |
| 00:39.52 | julian_demarchi | where is uninstall, will return alot but could help you find what u want |
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| 00:40.09 | DragonD | julian_demarchi: i ask cause it changed the file then ran /etc/init.d/networking restart and it didn't work. network didn't start back up. now i lost connection to my server. and that's bad |
| 00:40.31 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | streuner: hey... I install ipmasq |
| 00:40.50 | julian_demarchi | DragonD: You should do ifup eth0:XX or ifdown eth0:XX |
| 00:40.55 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | streuner: the clients can ping ips, but they can't resolve names |
| 00:40.59 | nitro4ce | eifzon: i think you can just remove the game directory |
| 00:41.05 | nitro4ce | eifzon: not sure |
| 00:41.24 | eifzon | nitro4ce: it must erase all data in my opinion |
| 00:41.45 | julian_demarchi | DragonD: those commands should get your interfaces backup. Do have any other methods to access your server? |
| 00:41.51 | nitro4ce | eifzon: that data is in /home/user/.quake4 |
| 00:41.58 | streuner | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R: did you tell your 'clients' the gateway (debian box)? |
| 00:42.05 | eifzon | nitro4ce: its in /home/user/.games/quake4 for me |
| 00:42.15 | nitro4ce | eifzon: ok |
| 00:42.26 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | streuner: the box is debian... the clients are windows boxes |
| 00:42.37 | streuner | sure, just set that up too |
| 00:42.43 | nitro4ce | eifzon: rm -r /home/user/.games/quake4 |
| 00:42.46 | eifzon | i did nitro4ce |
| 00:42.56 | eifzon | now i am going to install it again :D |
| 00:42.58 | eifzon | hmm |
| 00:43.00 | fd | so, is "dd -if=/dev/hda1 of=hda1.img" all I need? do I need byte size or something else? |
| 00:43.05 | eifzon | shall i install teh game as root or normal user? |
| 00:43.14 | nitro4ce | eifzon: normal |
| 00:43.15 | DragonD | julian_demarchi: nope have to wait for the server company to reset it. |
| 00:43.19 | eifzon | nitro4ce: ok |
| 00:43.29 | eifzon | nitro4ce: where shall the "Binary path:" bee? |
| 00:43.32 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | streuner: you are tell me that configure manually the dns servers for windows clients??? |
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| 00:43.39 | eifzon | nitro4ce: cause my install path is: /home/user/.games/quake4 |
| 00:43.45 | nitro4ce | eifzon: you don't need to be root unless you have problems with your system. |
| 00:43.58 | streuner | no, i wanna tell you exactly what i wrote above |
| 00:44.17 | nitro4ce | eifzon: or unless you want to update, etc |
| 00:44.28 | eifzon | ok nitro4ce |
| 00:44.32 | eifzon | but hmm nitro4ce, what binary path? |
| 00:44.33 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | streuner: from windows I can ping ips from internet... but the client can't resolve any name through debian box how dns server |
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| 00:44.44 | julian_demarchi | DragonD: Thats not good, and your conifg was fine! |
| 00:45.23 | streuner | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R: Again, did you set in your windows box the gateway (Debian box)? |
| 00:45.37 | Guerin | grrf, why is my damn dvd drive not working? |
| 00:45.38 | nitro4ce | eifzon: binary path? |
| 00:45.42 | eifzon | nitro4ce: yes? |
| 00:45.43 | Guerin | it just says `no medium found' |
| 00:45.47 | eifzon | it says Install path and Binary path |
| 00:45.50 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | streuner: yes.. because of that I can ping internet ips... |
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| 00:45.58 | streuner | Guerin: use another DVD? |
| 00:46.05 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | streuner: but I can't resolve names... |
| 00:46.12 | nitro4ce | eifzon: i think it is /usr/share/bin |
| 00:46.17 | julian_demarchi | Did you setup the DNS settings? |
| 00:46.22 | Guerin | streuner: same behaviour. Also with a cd. Known-good. And the same when I try cat /dev/hdd > foo |
| 00:46.23 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | streuner: my debian box resolve names without problems |
| 00:46.29 | streuner | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R: well, how about to set DNS in windows client? |
| 00:46.35 | julian_demarchi | your win clients need the DNS settings! |
| 00:46.47 | nitro4ce | eifzon: or /usr/bin |
| 00:46.50 | Guerin | !nickometer N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R |
| 00:46.51 | dpkg | 'N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R' is 99.9224% lame, guerin |
| 00:46.58 | eifzon | nitro4ce: you sure i can do that without root? |
| 00:46.59 | Guerin | i think that's about right |
| 00:47.12 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | streuner: dns in windows clients are config with ip of debian box... |
| 00:47.12 | eifzon | I need root premisions there |
| 00:47.27 | nitro4ce | eifzon: you should be able to |
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| 00:47.56 | streuner | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R: thats wrong |
| 00:47.57 | eifzon | nitro4ce: noo |
| 00:48.01 | Guerin | no way in hell you can write to /usr without root |
| 00:48.12 | Guerin | unless you've badly broken something |
| 00:48.14 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | streuner: I need to configure the dns from my isqp??? |
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| 00:48.23 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | streuner: isp? |
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| 00:48.27 | streuner | yes |
| 00:48.51 | streuner | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:49.02 | nitro4ce | eifzon: no clue |
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| 00:49.42 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | streuner: but... when my isp change the dns servers? |
| 00:49.53 | Guerin | !htfswk N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R |
| 00:49.53 | dpkg | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 00:50.33 | streuner | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R: usually that doesnt happens very often... |
| 00:51.27 | streuner | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R: i personally use the same DNS server since '99 |
| 00:51.43 | amphi | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R: you could use the opendns servers |
| 00:52.10 | julian_demarchi | OpenNIC run some good servers now that give you access to their TLDs |
| 00:52.28 | Guerin | dig ns1.someisp.com |
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| 00:57.53 | cTaT1k | Why isn't Debian recognized as a fully free GNU/Linux system by the GNU project? |
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| 00:58.27 | cTaT1k | Oh, I suppose the existence of non-free repos. |
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| 01:01.52 | BonnieFrasie | Hello. I have installed the latest stable version of Debian on my DEC Alpha with a network install. When the computer boots it automatically goes in to the GUI login, I would like for it to boot to a text interface. Can anyone tell me how to do this? |
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| 01:05.39 | cTaT1k | BonnieFrasie: look in /etf/inittab |
| 01:06.13 | cTaT1k | erp |
| 01:06.29 | stew | BonnieFrasie: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 01:06.32 | streuner | BonnieFrasie: did you finish the install process yet? |
| 01:06.47 | BonnieFrasie | Yes, the install process is done |
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| 01:06.51 | cTaT1k | /etc/inittab |
| 01:06.55 | streuner | if yes, just do what stew said |
| 01:06.57 | cTaT1k | BonnieFrasie: Does that file exist for you? |
| 01:07.26 | cTaT1k | actually stew's seems to be more debian-like |
| 01:07.27 | stew | cTaT1k: of course it exists, but what would you have him do with it? |
| 01:07.51 | cTaT1k | on my ubuntu system, /etc/inittab is gone, but on other systems you change the runtime level |
| 01:07.54 | cTaT1k | from 5 to 3 |
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| 01:08.16 | stew | cTaT1k: he would currently be on 2, and 2-5 would all be identical |
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| 01:09.32 | cTaT1k | oh strange on slackware it's like 5 for X11 and 3 for text |
| 01:09.46 | BonnieFrasie | when i enter "/msg dpkg nodm" i get "bash: /msg: No such file or directory" |
| 01:09.58 | cTaT1k | lol put that in IRC :p |
| 01:10.02 | streuner | here in IRC |
| 01:10.05 | stew | BonnieFrasie: no, in your irc client. dpkg is a bot that will give you info |
| 01:10.22 | BonnieFrasie | oh |
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| 01:12.44 | BonnieFrasie | I don't want to get rid of the GUI, I just want to boot to text, then be able to switch between text and GUI |
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| 01:13.14 | stew | BonnieFrasie: use rc.d to setup one of the runlevels to not start x |
| 01:13.20 | magyar | hi, linux sw-raid vs adaptec hw-raid. Any performance hits? |
| 01:13.20 | stew | err, update-rc.d |
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| 01:14.38 | _orian | bonniefrasie why not just contol + alt f1, etc |
| 01:15.11 | stoned | !tell BonnieFrasie -about dpkgbot |
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| 01:16.48 | BonnieFrasie | ok, contol + alt f1 takes me from gui to text, which is a start. How do i go from text to gui |
| 01:16.49 | BonnieFrasie | ? |
| 01:17.04 | _orian | f7 |
| 01:17.06 | cTaT1k | control + alt + f7 |
| 01:18.16 | BonnieFrasie | control + alt + f7 doesn't do anything, still in text |
| 01:18.31 | julian_demarchi | /etc/init.d/gdm restart? |
| 01:19.04 | _orian | try again bonniefrasie this works for all distros |
| 01:19.08 | julian_demarchi | CTRL + ALt + BCKSPC also could work |
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| 01:21.51 | kritical | I'm trying to do `apt-get -t testing install libfuse2` and it's installing the stable version, can anyone see what I might be doing wrong? |
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| 01:23.25 | waspius | hi...for some reason my external hard drive stop being mounted..i tried mounting it but i get the error mount: can't find /dev/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab...any help? |
| 01:23.46 | julian_demarchi | how do u try and mount it? |
| 01:24.15 | waspius | mount /dev/sda1 |
| 01:24.23 | julian_demarchi | ok that is incorrect |
| 01:24.47 | julian_demarchi | mount -t FSTYPE /dev/sda1 /mnt/dirtomountto |
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| 01:25.34 | waspius | i will try thanx |
| 01:25.53 | julian_demarchi | all good :) |
| 01:26.37 | waspius | well before i go on..it does not automatically mount any usb drives..not even my usb stick |
| 01:27.10 | julian_demarchi | not sure why that would be sorry/ Maybe an issue with natulis |
| 01:27.17 | julian_demarchi | i think that is the app that auto-mounts devices |
| 01:27.36 | waspius | so any idea what i could do?it suddently happened |
| 01:28.02 | waspius | and whenever i press the shif button the sticky windows shows up:S |
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| 01:28.09 | waspius | sticky keys |
| 01:28.32 | julian_demarchi | as with any issue start looking at the log files, I.E tail -f /var/log/syslog then plug in your usb device and look for errors |
| 01:29.19 | omri | how do I authenticate NFS clients with a username & password? (without SSH tunneling) |
| 01:29.56 | fedor-emelianenk | does debian net install comes with "debmenu" package |
| 01:29.59 | slack101 | MangosDebian, you back yet ? :P |
| 01:29.59 | fedor-emelianenk | ??? |
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| 01:30.58 | waspius | julian_demarchi: and how am i supposed to understand the log file:( |
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| 01:31.58 | julian_demarchi | waspius: It is easy to understand, i will help. Did you do what i asked first? |
| 01:32.09 | dacs | what is suiduser |
| 01:32.26 | waspius | yes...i run the command and pluged it in |
| 01:32.31 | fedor-emelianenk | does anyone knows if DEBMENU comes with DEBIAN NET-INSTALL ? |
| 01:32.34 | dacs | how can i determin which one please |
| 01:32.36 | stoned | fedor kicks ass |
| 01:32.41 | stoned | fedor-emelianenk: its called 'menu' |
| 01:32.43 | waspius | but no errors showed i think |
| 01:32.50 | stoned | fedor-emelianenk: aptitude install menu |
| 01:33.07 | julian_demarchi | did it show you an error waspius? |
| 01:33.14 | stoned | fedor-emelianenk: oh and also, sudo update-menus if you need to refresh it |
| 01:33.44 | waspius | julian_demarchi: from what i see no |
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| 01:34.03 | fedor-emelianenk | stoned: i am not using debian right now! i am on fedora, but i am thinking to move to debian |
| 01:34.06 | stoned | fedor-emelianenk: its not a part of the base install afaik |
| 01:34.12 | stoned | fedor-emelianenk: just move man |
| 01:34.47 | julian_demarchi | waspius: did the manual mount work by the way? |
| 01:35.07 | waspius | well i did not try it..i will now.. |
| 01:35.17 | julian_demarchi | thanks, cause it might be a USB drama |
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| 01:35.44 | fedor-emelianenk | stoned: let me ask you one more thing, i promisse! in fedora, there is a package called system-config-services, system-config-etc... does this exists on debian? it is very useful for me!!! |
| 01:35.59 | stoned | fedor-emelianenk: what do these packages do? |
| 01:38.12 | stoned | dacs: why are you messaging me? |
| 01:38.35 | stoned | dacs: ask in #debian please |
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| 01:38.52 | waspius | what is the fstype?v32? |
| 01:39.00 | waspius | i dont remeber how it goes. |
| 01:39.04 | waspius | ntfs is one |
| 01:39.08 | fedor-emelianenk | stoned: system-config-serves opens a gui windows that let me select all the services i want to run on system start, like bluetooth, selinux, cron, etc. |
| 01:39.08 | julian_demarchi | ext3 |
| 01:39.11 | julian_demarchi | there are lots |
| 01:39.15 | dacs | stoned: that what i tried but i am sorry i had msg and didn't pay attention to it |
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| 01:39.45 | waspius | well what do external hard drives need to be to work under linux?not ntfs the other |
| 01:39.46 | stoned | fedor-emelianenk: I'm sure you can find packages in gnome or kde that do similar things. I'd rather just modify them by hand. and I would suppose so |
| 01:39.55 | julian_demarchi | ext3 then |
| 01:39.57 | julian_demarchi | Is it formatted? |
| 01:40.15 | waspius | it is formatted under windows |
| 01:40.24 | waspius | but not ext3 |
| 01:40.24 | julian_demarchi | ok, so it will be ntfs |
| 01:40.27 | waspius | no |
| 01:40.30 | waspius | the other one |
| 01:40.32 | julian_demarchi | and you will only be able to read it |
| 01:40.35 | julian_demarchi | not write to it |
| 01:40.40 | julian_demarchi | fat32? |
| 01:40.46 | waspius | yeap thats the one |
| 01:40.50 | julian_demarchi | ok good |
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| 01:40.55 | julian_demarchi | vfat i think the FS is |
| 01:41.01 | waspius | ok thanx |
| 01:41.04 | julian_demarchi | and with fat32 u can read and write |
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| 01:42.27 | fedor-emelianenk | stoned: i used to do this when i was on slackware, but on debian i have no idea how to do this! in slackware is very easy |
| 01:42.48 | fedor-emelianenk | chmod 644 rc.pcmcia, etc. |
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| 01:43.45 | waspius | yes it worked |
| 01:43.53 | julian_demarchi | good! |
| 01:44.11 | waspius | so how do we check the auto now? |
| 01:44.40 | piper69 | can i ask for help to setup kismet file |
| 01:45.03 | julian_demarchi | I am unsure of that since the devices did not print any error msgs to syslog. Sorry! |
| 01:45.39 | waspius | ok..thanx allot though |
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| 01:49.06 | waspius | so how i can see what my device name has?ie for my usb stick? |
| 01:49.35 | julian_demarchi | what do you mean sorry? Are you refering to the name windows gives HDDs? |
| 01:49.39 | streuner | try lsusb |
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| 01:50.38 | hozomean | you can also look at dmesg directly after you insert it, it will usually dump a little message with the device info as its plugged in |
| 01:50.44 | waspius | well that gives me the actual name but not the mounting name..ie sda1 |
| 01:51.21 | julian_demarchi | monuting name would hten be the folder you mount the device to |
| 01:51.33 | julian_demarchi | ie /medis/myusbdisk |
| 01:51.42 | krazykit | bleh. thunar isn't automounting external drives anymore :-/ |
| 01:51.53 | waspius | oh..ok thank you |
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| 01:53.24 | waspius | question..but when i write mount -t vfat /dev/what goes here? |
| 01:53.35 | waspius | whatever name i want? |
| 01:53.43 | julian_demarchi | the device name sda1 for u |
| 01:54.03 | BonnieFrasie | I have been trying to figure out my text/GUI problem but what little of the suggestions I can understand down't work when I try them, and the rest I do not get at all. If I reinstall will there be a point at which I can choose to boot to text? |
| 01:54.08 | waspius | ok..thank you..but how could i find out if u were not here:P |
| 01:54.08 | julian_demarchi | then after that is the mounting dir i.e /media/nameofdir |
| 01:54.54 | smacnay_ | I am trying to find the module mfpport.ko when recompiling my kernel. Does anyone know if this exists and, if so, where it is in the menu selection area? |
| 01:55.18 | waspius | it says it does not exist |
| 01:55.21 | hozomean | waspius that thing i mentioned about dmesg... when you plug in a usb device, the kernel will give info about it |
| 01:55.29 | waspius | oh ok |
| 01:55.48 | hozomean | it should include the device name |
| 01:56.04 | hozomean | assuming the system is all setup for usb (modules loaded, etc) |
| 01:56.53 | hozomean | BonnieFrasie not sure what your asking |
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| 01:58.29 | Exy | Damn, everyone kept saying about how good Lost is but it's just horribly corny |
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| 01:59.32 | BonnieFrasie | I want to boot to a text interface instead of gui. then I want to be able switch between text and gui. I can use Crtl Alt F1 to go to text interface, but then Crtl Alt F7 and Crtl Alt Backspace doesn't work to get back to the GUI. |
| 01:59.34 | waspius | well i tried all i found but all supposedly dont exist:S |
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| 02:00.01 | BonnieFrasie | sorry, Ctrl |
| 02:00.05 | lusher00 | i just installed Debian and when it goes into gnome its like the desktop is split in half. I have two cursers and i cant get back out. ctrl alt del doesnt do anything and i can click on the drop down menu where shutdown should be |
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| 02:01.01 | hozomean | BonnieFrasie when you're in console mode (text) and you press Alt-F7, what happens? black screen? |
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| 02:02.25 | beardy | lusher00: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace kills your xserver. Ctrl-Alt-F1 - F6 brings you to your vty:s. X is on F7. To restart your X server, '/etc/init.d/?dm restart'. |
| 02:02.29 | fedor-emelianenk | is true that debian is the most used linux distribution on servers? |
| 02:02.31 | beardy | !groudning |
| 02:02.32 | BonnieFrasie | hozomean, I have been trying Ctrl-Alt-F7, and when I do that nothing happens |
| 02:02.38 | waspius | ok fixed it..thanx |
| 02:02.40 | beardy | !grounding |
| 02:02.40 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
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| 02:03.13 | beardy | !drxx lusher00 |
| 02:03.13 | dpkg | lusher00: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 02:03.18 | beardy | !resolution |
| 02:03.18 | dpkg | i heard resolution is How fine the pixels are. The higher the resolution, the more pixels that can be squeezed onto a screen, thereby giving the appearance that the pictures on your screen are smaller without losing any detail. Because the pictures are smaller you now have room to place more on your screen.. Use ctrl-alt-numpad_plus/minus to change it. Or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, or man xrandr, or see hwinfo, or ask me about drxx |
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| 02:03.30 | Absolute0 | anyone knows how i can make mplayer play movies in iceweasel instead of totem? |
| 02:05.07 | lusher00 | now im just locked up in a broken screen. Its just two black and white stripes |
| 02:05.13 | krazykit | Absolute0, you want mplayerplug-in |
| 02:05.32 | Absolute0 | i installed it |
| 02:05.39 | Absolute0 | but totem still plays everything |
| 02:05.41 | beardy | lusher00: Ctrl-Alt-F1 ? |
| 02:05.41 | krazykit | did you remove totem's plugin? |
| 02:05.45 | lusher00 | nothing |
| 02:06.05 | Absolute0 | oh |
| 02:06.13 | Absolute0 | whats the pkg name for totem's plugin? |
| 02:06.16 | beardy | lusher00: Now, try Ctrl-Alt-Del |
| 02:06.20 | Absolute0 | it came with the debian install... |
| 02:06.35 | beardy | lusher00: If you manged to change, even if you can't see it, you should be rebooting cleanly. |
| 02:06.50 | beardy | lusher00: Then you'd want to reconfigure your X. |
| 02:07.00 | lusher00 | i tried ctrl ald del |
| 02:07.03 | beardy | lusher00: If not, ssh in and do what you need. |
| 02:07.23 | beardy | lusher00: Numlock still working? |
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| 02:07.29 | lusher00 | i cant even get to a shell nor do i know the ip address (DHCP) |
| 02:08.01 | lusher00 | i dont think im locked up though |
| 02:08.05 | Absolute0 | totem-mozilla |
| 02:08.06 | beardy | For next time: |
| 02:08.12 | beardy | !serial console |
| 02:08.19 | beardy | !serial tty |
| 02:08.19 | dpkg | Edit /etc/inittab, at the bottom, there are commented examples, uncomment the ttyS0 line, if you use the first serial port (configure the line if you have to) run 'init q' to reinitialize the /etc/inittab, connect the cable, on the other box, run a terminalprogram, like minicom, telix, or whatever is available on that box/os. |
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| 02:08.49 | k-man_ | how do i tell the mail command to set a different from address? |
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| 02:09.15 | beardy | k-man_: I'd be surprised if the manual does not tell you. |
| 02:09.38 | k-man_ | beardy, my initial check through didn't reveal anything |
| 02:09.48 | waspius | why am i not allowed to cut and paste in my external devices? |
| 02:09.56 | waspius | the permissions allow it!! |
| 02:10.51 | GreaseMonkey | waspius: did you mount -o rw ? |
| 02:11.02 | waspius | no |
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| 02:11.24 | GreaseMonkey | umount it, then mount -o rw (normal parameters) |
| 02:11.35 | GreaseMonkey | oh, and also |
| 02:11.57 | GreaseMonkey | if that doesn't work: mount -o rw,uid=(username) ...... |
| 02:12.09 | waspius | ok..thank you |
| 02:12.13 | GreaseMonkey | yw |
| 02:12.37 | GreaseMonkey | if you're stuck with other things, man 8 mount |
| 02:12.43 | GreaseMonkey | there's lots of options there |
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| 02:13.52 | waspius | well nothing changed...and i cant seem to run the second command right |
| 02:14.01 | beardy | k-man_: Good question. |
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| 02:14.13 | julian_demarchi | ls -l the dir the mount dir is in. |
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| 02:15.12 | waspius | yeah |
| 02:15.21 | julian_demarchi | what permissions are the dir u mount. |
| 02:15.31 | regeya | anyone here able to use blender with an old ati radeon (in my case 7000/ve, yeah, I know, it sucks)? |
| 02:15.38 | k-man_ | beardy, any suggestions as to how to do it? |
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| 02:15.54 | waspius | drwxr-xr-x |
| 02:16.06 | julian_demarchi | and the owner uusername and group? |
| 02:16.19 | waspius | root |
| 02:16.21 | beardy | k-man_: Then I would have said. |
| 02:16.25 | slack101 | anyway i can test my compiled kernel before i go and try it in my server |
| 02:16.30 | beardy | k-man_: I only find how to set Reply-to. |
| 02:16.33 | k-man_ | beardy, yeah ok :) |
| 02:16.33 | julian_demarchi | ok, are u trying to wirte to the device as a user or root? |
| 02:16.45 | Kevin` | slack101 qemu? |
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| 02:16.48 | waspius | well i mounted them as root |
| 02:16.57 | julian_demarchi | so u should be able to write to the deivce as root. |
| 02:17.03 | waspius | but i am loged in as user |
| 02:17.09 | julian_demarchi | ok, so su |
| 02:17.16 | slack101 | Kevin`, so just download my / ? how do i set it up in qemu ? |
| 02:17.17 | julian_demarchi | in shell, then touch test |
| 02:17.18 | waspius | can i mount them as user? |
| 02:17.30 | Kevin` | slack101 use your imagination dude :) |
| 02:17.38 | Kevin` | slack101 set it up so the test will make some sense |
| 02:17.51 | julian_demarchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.54 | slack101 | Kevin`, i am in windows will vmware work anyone else here use that ? |
| 02:18.12 | Kevin` | slack101 vmware should work, but it's not as configurable |
| 02:18.19 | julian_demarchi | that is what some wrote to you a little bit ago. That should help. :) |
| 02:18.45 | slack101 | Kevin`, i just want to make sure the kernel boots |
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| 02:20.38 | GreaseMonkey | waspius: what error do you get with mount -o rw,uid=(user) ..... ? |
| 02:21.01 | regeya | bah, slack101, playing with kernels is a perfect reason to keep a knoppix disk around |
| 02:21.17 | slack101 | its for a remote server |
| 02:21.39 | Kevin` | too bad they don't have a remote kvm you can use |
| 02:21.47 | slack101 | remote kvm ? |
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| 02:22.20 | Kevin` | google ip kvm and you'll find some overpriced devices and a general idea |
| 02:22.31 | slack101 | remote comnsole ? |
| 02:22.38 | Kevin` | yes |
| 02:22.38 | waspius | julian_demarchi: thnak you it worked |
| 02:22.45 | sharp15 | does debian have a method for installing gnome without draging in abiword and other unrelated packages? |
| 02:25.03 | slack101 | Kevin`, i will have one of those soon but right now i dont have that |
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| 02:25.36 | streuner | !install gnome |
| 02:25.36 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 02:25.49 | regeya | heh, gears.google.com claims iceweasel isn't supported but I installed it anyway :-P |
| 02:26.28 | sharp15 | streuner: thank you. |
| 02:26.36 | streuner | sharp15: np |
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| 02:27.47 | GreaseMonkey | generally i only ask for linux help when i don't know what tool to use or the man pages fail |
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| 02:30.27 | waspius | goodnight all.and thank for the help |
| 02:30.32 | julian_demarchi | night! |
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| 02:39.50 | cTaT1k | `which command` |
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| 02:40.27 | kyrbe | howdy all! |
| 02:40.39 | cTaT1k | hi |
| 02:40.52 | kyrbe | I'm ssh'd into a shared hosting account. What's the easiest way to find out what flavor of linux I'm on? |
| 02:41.09 | inFw | kyrbe: ls /etc/*version probably |
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| 02:42.26 | inFw | kyrbe: if it's an hosting account I *think* phpinfo(); also outputs the system it's on. |
| 02:43.12 | cTaT1k | kyrbe: `uname -a` and `less /etc/issue` and `lsb_release` might also help |
| 02:43.26 | regeya | oh, shazbot. mach64_ioctl.c:190: error: âdrm_mach64_blit_tâ has no member named âidxâ |
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| 02:44.13 | kyrbe | yea cTaT1k! less/etc/issue did the trick |
| 02:44.13 | kyrbe | Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS release 3 (Taroon) |
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| 02:44.32 | kyrbe | thanks for the helps all. |
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| 02:49.39 | slack101 | i need ot make init image |
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| 02:49.57 | TonyRad | Hello |
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| 02:51.08 | fr0x65nchy | hi |
| 02:51.09 | Azar | hello honorables |
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| 02:52.36 | TonyRad | I have a question it'd be great if I could get some help... I updated my debian install a month or so ago to the updated version and everything seemed to work ok, except for one thing.. I can't x/kde to show.. It looks like it's just a matter of the resolution was set to something outside of what the video card can handle... How do I change my X resolution via prompt? |
| 02:54.11 | shingouz | TonyRad: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 02:54.11 | Azar | TonyRad: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86(or xorg) |
| 02:55.17 | Azar | TonyRad: assuming you updated Debian Sarge >> to Debian Etch and you previously used xfree86 and did not changed to xorg.. |
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| 02:56.35 | TonyRad | hmm.. I don't know if it went to xorg or not.. I went from sarge to etch, and used xfree86... |
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| 02:57.35 | slack101 | if i just rm'd a file anyway to bring it back real quick ? |
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| 02:57.46 | Azar | then use the xserver-xfree86 on that command |
| 02:57.50 | zu22 | does anyone know why arts is running and won't let me play any sound? it was installed with some kde dependency when i installed twinkle, now alsa doesn't work, is being over-run by arts, complains it can't create an mcop directory for the socket, ugh anyone know way to keep twinkle installed yet have it stop running arts? i did ps and see no arts process running yet when i run strace on 'mpgh123 foo.mp3' i see it is running arts libraries |
| 02:58.04 | stew | TonyRad: if you upgraded to etch, you are running xor |
| 02:58.15 | stew | xorg* |
| 02:58.23 | stew | slack101: nope |
| 02:58.29 | slack101 | dammmn |
| 02:58.35 | Azar | stew, it does change to xorg? my last year upgrade did not changed xfree86 |
| 02:58.36 | slack101 | i think i jus deleted my kernel |
| 02:58.38 | slack101 | damn |
| 02:58.47 | TonyRad | Yup, that would be the problem.. xorg needs reconfiged.. It had the res set outside of the vid card bounds... |
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| 02:59.29 | stew | Azar: yes. xfree86 doesn't exist in etch |
| 03:00.04 | shingouz | slack101: reinstall it |
| 03:00.06 | Azar | wow, gotta check my old box where I have the etch "testing".. |
| 03:00.13 | slack101 | i jus did |
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| 03:00.32 | shingouz | slack101: and after a reboot you see if it still owrks |
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| 03:00.51 | krazykit | slack101, which is why you always keep a known-good kernel on the system |
| 03:01.07 | piukeman | hi .......i am going to buy an -- usb wifi -- |
| 03:01.16 | piukeman | wich is better for linux ??? |
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| 03:01.34 | Kevin` | piukeman for several reasons you should avoid usb wifi if you can |
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| 03:02.17 | Azar | piukeman: my guess would be any wifi that is not made for windows ... :) |
| 03:02.18 | piukeman | Kevin`, why ?? |
| 03:02.29 | piukeman | :) |
| 03:02.44 | Kevin` | piukeman well, they don't usually perform as well as the pccard or pci based variants |
| 03:02.45 | Azar | avoid "madwifi" drivers |
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| 03:02.56 | Kevin` | piukeman plus drivers are harder to find for usb |
| 03:03.01 | Kevin` | why avoid madwifi? |
| 03:03.04 | Kevin` | (for pci) |
| 03:03.12 | piukeman | is this ok keman well, they don't usually perform as well as the pccard or pci based variants |
| 03:03.12 | piukeman | <Azar> avoid "madwifi" drivers |
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| 03:03.12 | piukeman | <Kevin`> piukeman plus drivers are harder to find for usb |
| 03:03.12 | piukeman | <Kevin`> why avoid madwifi? |
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| 03:03.27 | Azar | many people have hard time to configure madwifi drivers |
| 03:03.43 | kamui | so why did you copy and paste that piukeman |
| 03:03.43 | krazykit | really? |
| 03:03.45 | Kevin` | many people have problems configuring anything |
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| 03:03.59 | Kevin` | if that's the only reason it's not worth mentioning IMO, since madwifi has some of the best features |
| 03:04.22 | piukeman | http://www.eusso.com/Models/Wireless/UGL2454-U2Z/UGL2454-U2Z.htm |
| 03:04.23 | stew | madwifi doesn't have any free drivers |
| 03:04.29 | piukeman | is that one a good choise |
| 03:04.37 | krazykit | there's a free HAL, i thought. |
| 03:04.39 | Kevin` | stew that's not really correct |
| 03:04.46 | stew | Kevin`: it is really correct |
| 03:04.54 | piukeman | my laptop hp has a bradcom....wifi |
| 03:04.59 | Kevin` | stew at least, it's very misleading |
| 03:05.02 | Azar | Kevin`: show us madwifi free drivers |
| 03:05.06 | piukeman | and with nsdiwrapper work really bad |
| 03:05.38 | krazykit | piukeman, yeah. the bcm43xx might work better, might work worse. |
| 03:05.45 | Azar | Kevin`: many people who are misleading themselves thinking that Debian is open source are usually going wrong |
| 03:05.48 | shingouz | piukeman: anything with prism2, orinoco or atheros. even intel 2100 1nd 2200 work |
| 03:05.55 | Kevin` | piukeman zydas is supported I believe, i'm not sure if it's the best for usb |
| 03:06.18 | stew | krazykit: oh you mean you can use the free parts of madwifi with some free replacement for their non-free 'hal'? |
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| 03:06.34 | carl-m | anyone here have experience with virtual server hosting that provides debian servers? |
| 03:06.37 | krazykit | stew, as i understand it, yes. i haven't investigated further, though. |
| 03:06.52 | piukeman | Kevin`, what good be a good choise for usb.... dlink linksys |
| 03:06.54 | piukeman | ?? |
| 03:06.59 | Kevin` | the hal for madwifi really is a hal, it's not the entire driver in a blob with a kernel interface |
| 03:07.16 | amon__ | Is the current "Debian Etch" stable? |
| 03:07.16 | Kevin` | piukeman rule #1, DO NOT think by manufacturer |
| 03:07.21 | krazykit | amon__, read the topic |
| 03:07.21 | Azar | amon__: yes |
| 03:07.24 | Kevin` | yes, amon__ |
| 03:07.30 | amon__ | Ok thanks. |
| 03:07.32 | piukeman | Kevin`, OK :) |
| 03:07.32 | kamui | did the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file format change between debian etch and the current unstable? I think Im running xorg 1.3.0. My dual monitor setup using MergeFB (ati radeon driver powering ati radeon 7000) literally went from dual headed to single headed after the dist-upgrade |
| 03:07.49 | Kevin` | piukeman manufacturers will use different chipsets in each model, the chipset is what's important for drivers (for any os, actually) |
| 03:07.51 | amon__ | My client for some reason does not display topics, it displays a whole bunch of symbols. |
| 03:07.55 | k-man_ | beardy, fyi, I gave up trying to get mail to do it in the end, but mutt can do it if you set up your muttrc file :) |
| 03:08.02 | piukeman | Kevin`, it 's a bad choise an USB WIFI |
| 03:08.05 | piukeman | ?? |
| 03:08.16 | shingouz | piukeman: the wlan thingies change chipsets more often than you change your shirt, sometimes even the country of origin can make the part go from native linux to ndiswrapper |
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| 03:08.23 | zu22 | any ideas? |
| 03:08.36 | Kevin` | piukeman well, if you research well i'm sure you could get it working ok, but cardbus or minipci are usually better choices |
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| 03:08.44 | krazykit | !any ideas |
| 03:08.44 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little cod liver oil, and 5 or 6 starving kittens. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 03:08.45 | zu22 | does anyone know why arts is running and won't let me play any sound? it was installed with some kde dependency when i installed twinkle, now alsa doesn't work, is being over-run by arts, complains it can't create an mcop directory for the socket, ugh anyone know way to keep twinkle installed yet have it stop running arts? i did ps and see no arts process running yet when i run strace on 'mpg123 foo.mp3' i see it is running arts libraries.. |
| 03:09.03 | piukeman | Kevin`, thanks a lot........ |
| 03:09.13 | krazykit | zu22, you could kill arts and configure everything not to use it |
| 03:09.19 | piukeman | otherwise i need and usb wifi..........i |
| 03:09.26 | piukeman | an in some case laptops....... |
| 03:09.41 | piukeman | that i do not have wifi built in.... |
| 03:09.48 | piukeman | so may i can use an usb wifi |
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| 03:09.57 | Kevin` | piukeman a lot of laptops you can remove a panel and put in a minipci card |
| 03:10.20 | Azar | zu22: like krazykit said, if that "arts" thingie took over and screwed your alsa, remove it |
| 03:10.35 | piukeman | Kevin`, i will have it in mind :) |
| 03:10.41 | zu22 | krazykit: yes exactly how do i configure things to not use it? i setup my alsa and it worked fine, then after i installed twinkle i get this arts nonsense |
| 03:10.43 | Kevin` | piukeman and your laptop has no pcmcia/cardbus? |
| 03:11.07 | krazykit | piukeman, if it's hp or compaq, don't bother with a minipci card. they only take hp-branded cards. |
| 03:11.16 | Kevin` | or the newer little hotpluggable pci express slots |
| 03:11.24 | zu22 | Azar: when i view ps i see no arts processes running yet something is telling sound to use arts weird, i will have to purge twinkle to remove the 2 arts libraries, those are only 'arts' packages i found when i did 'dpkg -l' |
| 03:11.32 | carl-m | really, anyone here use a hosting service with debian? |
| 03:11.33 | Kevin` | krazykit mine does, actually |
| 03:11.52 | zu22 | would be nice if i could keep twinkle installed and not have arts stomping over my sound |
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| 03:11.54 | krazykit | Kevin`, strange. recent ones don't seem to. i had to hack the EEPROM on my ipw2200 card to get the laptop to boot |
| 03:12.09 | Azar | zu22: obviously that program was intrusive and disruptive |
| 03:12.21 | zu22 | Azar: yeah guess it gotta go |
| 03:12.36 | shingouz | krazykit: i guess hp had the idea that you should buy their card, not hack the eeprom... :p |
| 03:12.40 | Ramon | hello .. =) .. Im having some issues with rinetd, it is stopping by itself... |
| 03:12.50 | krazykit | shingouz, yeah, but this way, i saved $50 |
| 03:12.52 | Kevin` | shingouz the idea is you shouldn't buy HP, obviously ;) |
| 03:13.07 | Ramon | i already removed it and reinstalled it and the same thing happens over and over.. it stays for 5 mins and then it stops automatically |
| 03:13.09 | shingouz | krazykit: and it has a nice hack quotient |
| 03:13.41 | shingouz | kevin don't worry, i use ibm |
| 03:14.45 | Ramon | can someone help me please? |
| 03:14.58 | zu22 | anyone know a nice cheap laser printer (b&w) that works well in linux? |
| 03:15.02 | Azar | news: backports for etch http://lists.backports.org/lurker-bpo/message/20070419.092600.5007052f.en.html |
| 03:15.19 | shingouz | zu22: anything with postscript |
| 03:15.24 | carl-m | Ramon: any idea why it's stopping? |
| 03:15.44 | Ramon | carl-m : no ideas :S it happens because im redirecting port 84 to another box |
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| 03:16.05 | zu22 | shingouz: cool |
| 03:16.09 | Ramon | and when i check with ps aux | grep rinetd it is not showing anymore after i access the port 1 time |
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| 03:16.33 | Guerin | Ramon: redirecting with netfilter? |
| 03:16.42 | Ramon | rinetd |
| 03:16.43 | zu22 | i need a program that plays Sun .AU files (mono), mg123 and aplay aren't doing the job, also be nice to play Real Audio files |
| 03:16.52 | shingouz | zu22: if you are a real cheapskate, go dumpster diving and you will find something like.. umm.. hp laserjet II and 3 for free |
| 03:16.54 | Guerin | !info rinetd |
| 03:16.59 | dpkg | rinetd: (Internet TCP redirection server), section net, is optional. Version: 0.62-5 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 140 kB |
| 03:17.12 | Guerin | zu22: mplayer plays practically everything |
| 03:17.12 | zu22 | shingouz: wow cool hey i don't mind dumpster diving for functional hardware hehe |
| 03:17.21 | simonrvn | zu22: you can cat those directly to the sound device file IIRC |
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| 03:17.25 | zu22 | Guerin: ah lemme see if that's in testing |
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| 03:17.34 | Guerin | yes, .au files are just uncompressed pcm |
| 03:17.45 | simonrvn | cat file.au > /dev/snd/whatever or /dev/dsp |
| 03:17.58 | Azar | heh, interesting... backported packages needs to be removed before a dist-upgrade to etch |
| 03:18.06 | Guerin | Azar: *shock* |
| 03:18.27 | Azar | mister Guerinnnn :) I never knew before |
| 03:18.28 | zu22 | simonrvn: heh 'cat foo.au >> /dev/dsp` worked nice |
| 03:19.00 | Ramon | ....? |
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| 03:19.19 | simonrvn | one of those little trvia things i have in my head... and you wonder why i get confused sometimes ;p |
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| 03:20.22 | zu22 | running testing, installing mplayer suggests libdvdcss2 yet apt says this has no installation candidate, file bug report? |
| 03:20.28 | simonrvn | no |
| 03:20.30 | zu22 | simonrvn: indeed |
| 03:20.44 | Ramon | is there any other TCP redirection server? |
| 03:20.51 | zu22 | if it suggests package that doesn't exist that is a bug methinks |
| 03:20.54 | shingouz | zu22: ask dpkg about debian multimedia... :) |
| 03:21.06 | zu22 | shingouz: okey to blootbot i go |
| 03:21.09 | simonrvn | zu22: it's actually illegal in some countries |
| 03:21.22 | simonrvn | zu22: it's not |
| 03:21.27 | zu22 | simonrvn: oh i see |
| 03:21.40 | simonrvn | rtfm for the libdvdread or whatever it came from |
| 03:21.48 | Guerin | Ramon:port forwarding is best done in netfilter |
| 03:21.48 | carl-m | zu22: they should both be on marillat |
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| 03:22.25 | I_Rebel | iz here a gud plc for help? |
| 03:22.27 | Ramon | ok guerin I will try that |
| 03:22.31 | zu22 | debian-miltimedia.etch is mentioned i guess i can use same instructions modified for testing (lenny) |
| 03:22.41 | Ramon | guerin: even if I redirect that to another IP? |
| 03:22.54 | zu22 | carl-m: marillat is that a special repo? |
| 03:23.00 | Penix | I_Rebel: it's a good place to use proper spelling |
| 03:23.10 | simonrvn | sorry i don't speak aoldumbspeak |
| 03:23.28 | carl-m | zu22: it's not the official debian servers, it's the one that has mplayer on it |
| 03:23.32 | Azar | I_Rebel: damn if I understood what you said |
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| 03:23.38 | zu22 | carl-m: ok i'll google for it, thx |
| 03:23.47 | Guerin | Ramon: that i'm not sure about. |
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| 03:24.16 | Ramon | the thing is that what i want to do is to redirect the traffic that goes to an ip to another one |
| 03:24.18 | Guerin | hey, he's REBELLING against our oppressive spelling rewquirements |
| 03:24.35 | Ramon | and thats why i was using rinetd... but it seems there are no other programs for that :S and mine just dont want to work |
| 03:24.50 | Guerin | Ramon: you could ask in #netfilter to see if it can be done in iptables |
| 03:24.57 | Guerin | or in #iptables |
| 03:25.02 | carl-m | zu22: I think it's called debian multimedia now |
| 03:25.29 | Ramon | ahhh ok :) thanks |
| 03:25.33 | quasisane | zu22: www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 03:25.45 | simonrvn | i guess being understood is maintaining the status quo |
| 03:26.08 | simonrvn | if lazy spelling is rebelling |
| 03:26.16 | wfq | HI |
| 03:26.36 | zu22 | cool |
| 03:26.37 | simonrvn | I_Rebel: what kind of help? |
| 03:26.42 | Guerin | oh gods, not wfq |
| 03:26.49 | zu22 | Guerin: ah the American method :) |
| 03:26.58 | simonrvn | you can always /ignore him/her Guerin |
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| 03:27.13 | Guerin | simonrvn: this argument has been had before |
| 03:27.30 | I_Rebel | simonrvn: i loaded sarge on a lappy...and now only see this promp: |
| 03:27.31 | I_Rebel | grub>_ |
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| 03:27.40 | simonrvn | and resolved simply with an /ignore ;) |
| 03:27.51 | I_Rebel | whats next? |
| 03:28.03 | Guerin | igrub didn't install properly. |
| 03:28.12 | simonrvn | I_Rebel: grub isn't configured, and you need to dist-upgrade ;) |
| 03:28.15 | Guerin | I_Rebel: you should probably try installing Etch, not sarge. |
| 03:28.34 | zu22 | I_Rebel: oh you mean a _laptop_ or _notebook_ computer ;-) |
| 03:28.46 | Guerin | zu22: there's no need to take the piss |
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| 03:28.52 | I_Rebel | Guerin: sarge is what I have |
| 03:29.01 | zu22 | Guerin: heh sorry |
| 03:29.13 | Guerin | I_Rebel: etch is what you should have. Is it a particularly new box? |
| 03:29.49 | I_Rebel | hp omnibook 6000: 'designed for windows 2k' |
| 03:29.55 | Guerin | heh, ok |
| 03:30.13 | Guerin | sarge should be ok in terms of drivers, then |
| 03:30.14 | simonrvn | you should probably take that icky sticker off ;) |
| 03:30.21 | zu22 | gotta love that branding |
| 03:30.31 | Guerin | the glue on the back of those stickers is alcohol-soluble |
| 03:30.37 | zu22 | simonrvn: and replace with a "Linux Inside" |
| 03:31.04 | I_Rebel | sticker upgrade will come, once i learn this thing |
| 03:31.12 | zu22 | Guerin: i've found many adhesives to be water soluble |
| 03:31.15 | I_Rebel | *nix that is |
| 03:31.41 | Guerin | zu22: not that particular one. At least not at a temperature and quantity I'd use near an electrical appliance |
| 03:31.56 | zu22 | Guerin: ah |
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| 03:32.41 | zu22 | i sanded down one of those Win2K stickers so now i have a little mirror on my laptop hehe |
| 03:32.54 | flyinprogramer | is it ok to be lazy and use ubuntu instead of installing debian on my laptop... because ubuntu already has everything working..? |
| 03:33.14 | Guerin | flyinprogramer: why should we acare what you use? |
| 03:33.16 | carl-m | flyinprogramer: why not |
| 03:33.20 | zu22 | !ubuntu |
| 03:33.21 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu - See also <based on debian caveats>. |
| 03:33.21 | flyinprogramer | idk |
| 03:33.25 | carl-m | flyinprogramer: but debian has mostly everything too |
| 03:33.28 | Guerin | flyinprogramer: just don't ask us for help. |
| 03:33.30 | I_Rebel | is this why most people tried to talk me out of debian? |
| 03:33.32 | flyinprogramer | iok |
| 03:33.37 | flyinprogramer | *ok |
| 03:33.44 | carl-m | I_Rebel: dunno |
| 03:33.46 | Guerin | I_Rebel: how can we know the motivations of random unknown people? |
| 03:33.54 | wfq | oh gods, not wfq... o gods, The God Guerin is back |
| 03:34.04 | krazykit | the god of pedantry? |
| 03:34.07 | krazykit | ;-) |
| 03:34.08 | Guerin | if only I were a god |
| 03:34.09 | stoned | hey Guerin man whats up |
| 03:34.21 | Guerin | stoned: fuel prices? |
| 03:34.27 | stoned | that they are yes |
| 03:34.31 | Azar | mister stonnneeeddd :) |
| 03:34.33 | Guerin | defying gravity since 2003! |
| 03:34.41 | stoned | hey Azar my main dude man homie bro |
| 03:34.47 | stoned | you just made gravity highlight |
| 03:34.48 | Azar | I_Rebel: try both, see which one will suit your habits better |
| 03:34.52 | stoned | oh wait, now i just did it |
| 03:34.54 | stoned | heh |
| 03:35.00 | zu22 | the inflation rate, the income gap, ... |
| 03:35.02 | Azar | hehe |
| 03:35.06 | stoned | outsouced jobs |
| 03:35.09 | Guerin | zu22: balance of payments |
| 03:35.13 | carl-m | By the way, I love debian, just feel like sharing that |
| 03:35.15 | stoned | thats what america will celebrate tommorrow |
| 03:35.20 | Guerin | casualty list |
| 03:35.26 | stoned | the outsourcing of jobs to india and phillipines |
| 03:35.29 | Guerin | amount of time it takes to get through a departure gate |
| 03:35.30 | zu22 | :) |
| 03:35.38 | I_Rebel | Azar: i just tried debian...that's why I found this channel...it's broke already |
| 03:35.43 | Azar | stoned: you remember how abrotman was making fun of me on "transformers" cartoons? hah! sweet revenge, now it is a full-blown movie |
| 03:35.47 | Guerin | see, all the important indicators are soaring! |
| 03:35.51 | stoned | you broke debian ahahaha |
| 03:36.05 | stoned | I_Rebel: what did you break? |
| 03:36.10 | Azar | I_Rebel: try both, see which one makes you happier |
| 03:36.12 | Guerin | Azar: what makes you think that's something to be proud of? |
| 03:36.25 | zu22 | Azar: haha i watched the original Transformers when it aired in the 80s and used to own quite a few alas! |
| 03:36.33 | stoned | dude |
| 03:36.33 | Azar | Guerin: yes because transformers was a great cartoon |
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| 03:36.36 | stoned | thats nothing |
| 03:36.52 | I_Rebel | got this prompt: |
| 03:36.53 | stoned | I have two cats at my moms house, she calls em snowball and fluffy |
| 03:36.55 | I_Rebel | grub>_ |
| 03:36.55 | Guerin | Azar: what makes you think the movie will be great? |
| 03:37.02 | stoned | but I call em Megatron, and Optimus Prime |
| 03:37.07 | Azar | zu22: in fact, I was not exactly referring to the original but about the first 3D: Beast Wars |
| 03:37.19 | carl-m | anyone here have debian on a web hosting service? |
| 03:37.22 | stoned | remember Silver Hawks |
| 03:37.30 | stoned | or Hackle and Jackle |
| 03:37.31 | zu22 | Azar: my favs were Voltron, He-Man, Transformers, Robotech, GI Joe, Thundercats |
| 03:37.31 | I_Rebel | sliver hawks ROCKED |
| 03:37.32 | Azar | :) Azar salutes mister shingouz |
| 03:37.37 | stoned | I_Rebel: hell yeah |
| 03:37.37 | dondelelcaro | carl-m: lots of people have |
| 03:37.43 | karsten | stew: You were asking what packag(s) are installed in base? |
| 03:37.50 | zu22 | Azar: beast wars yeah i saw that also |
| 03:38.07 | zu22 | stoned: the 80s ruled woo! |
| 03:38.08 | karsten | stew: I've got a fresh qemu install. 140 total packages. Do you recall what it was you were interested in? |
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| 03:38.12 | carl-m | dondelelcaro: I'm looking for a recommendation |
| 03:38.14 | Azar | heh I still have the entire collection on DVD |
| 03:38.18 | stoned | zu22: I'm not that old, I was born in 81 |
| 03:38.19 | I_Rebel | robotech (and STILL great) |
| 03:38.24 | flyinprogramer | yay i'll have ubuntu in minutes :) |
| 03:38.25 | shingouz | stoned: kid |
| 03:38.29 | carl-m | dondelelcaro: otherwise I have to find a way to get a static IP at home |
| 03:38.31 | stoned | yessir I am |
| 03:38.34 | zu22 | stoned: ah 75 here |
| 03:38.37 | dondelelcaro | carl-m: dreamhost is what I've used; they're pretty reasonable |
| 03:38.46 | dondelelcaro | carl-m: really depends on what you need, though |
| 03:39.16 | stoned | I need to blaze man |
| 03:39.16 | carl-m | dondelelcaro: I have been running debain at home forever. Just a virtual server with a static IP that I can set up my mail and web on |
| 03:39.23 | shingouz | ..and here i remember watching armstrong taking the first steps on the moon.... :s |
| 03:39.23 | stoned | my new job kicks so much ass man its not even like, you know.. |
| 03:39.34 | Azar | stoned: I will buy two tickets for the movie, you are invited |
| 03:39.35 | stoned | I do at work, what I normally would do at home |
| 03:39.38 | stoned | I love it man |
| 03:39.45 | zu22 | carl-m: if you have the spare bandwidth maybe run your own web server? you can use something like dyndns if u don't got static ip |
| 03:39.49 | stoned | Azar: buy me a plane ticket to cali man I'll come chill with ya |
| 03:39.51 | Azar | stoned: what job? |
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| 03:40.14 | stoned | Azar: I assistant manage a PC repair shop |
| 03:40.22 | Azar | wow, man... nice |
| 03:40.23 | carl-m | zu22: I use dyndns right now, for ssh, but I want a real domain name, so I need a static IP. I can get one here, but that's a tradeoff for various reasons |
| 03:40.29 | Guerin | I_Rebel: some setp of the install failed. Re-run it. |
| 03:40.40 | Guerin | I_Rebel: and try not to whine. |
| 03:40.47 | zu22 | stoned: do you keep track of the median number of Windoze viruses, worms, malware? :) |
| 03:40.52 | stoned | Azar: yeh man, it pays pretty good, I fix computers, hw and sw, and some office work, like very very light |
| 03:41.01 | zu22 | carl-m: ah i see |
| 03:41.16 | Guerin | stoned: you're an AssMan! |
| 03:41.18 | stoned | zu22: I wish I could get high at work, that would kick ass |
| 03:41.24 | Guerin | !pal stoned |
| 03:41.28 | stoned | I am an assman |
| 03:41.32 | stoned | I get to do all the work |
| 03:41.36 | stoned | while the owner makes all the money |
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| 03:41.40 | Azar | stoned: I find that kind of job comfy and good experience on all fields: hardware, software, customer service.... |
| 03:41.47 | zu22 | stoned: i know dude that runs PC repair shop here and he says it's not uncommon for ppl to bring in Windoze boxen with "tens of thousands" of virus/malware/adware haha |
| 03:41.58 | stoned | boxen! |
| 03:42.01 | krazykit | yeah, i see that sometimes |
| 03:42.03 | I_Rebel | Guerin: thnx |
| 03:42.03 | stoned | its boxes and thats that. |
| 03:42.08 | Guerin | stoned: see, it's not just me! |
| 03:42.11 | krazykit | boxen like oxen! |
| 03:42.14 | *** part/#debian khwu- (n=khwu@java.cs.nctu.edu.tw) |
| 03:42.17 | stoned | fuck boxen man |
| 03:42.20 | stoned | its boxes |
| 03:42.23 | Guerin | no |
| 03:42.25 | stoned | y;es |
| 03:42.26 | zu22 | lol |
| 03:42.28 | shingouz | boxen, virii... |
| 03:42.30 | stoned | is too |
| 03:42.32 | Guerin | those are square carboard things bananas come in |
| 03:42.33 | karsten | exit |
| 03:42.34 | zu22 | stoned: vaxen boxen vaxen boxen! |
| 03:42.36 | karsten | Doh. |
| 03:42.44 | stoned | suxen my dixen |
| 03:42.45 | Guerin | shingouz: viruxen! |
| 03:42.46 | stoned | . |
| 03:42.47 | Azar | haxorz |
| 03:42.54 | shingouz | Guerin: that too |
| 03:43.02 | karsten | stew: "discover" is *not* in a base (minimal) install. |
| 03:43.08 | zu22 | karsten: Milk got? (: |
| 03:43.13 | stoned | !milk |
| 03:43.17 | shingouz | Guerin: fortunately viruxen do not do very well on unices |
| 03:43.23 | stoned | damn dpkg |
| 03:43.24 | Guerin | shingouz: or unixen |
| 03:43.32 | shingouz | heh |
| 03:43.37 | karsten | zu22: Heh. |
| 03:43.41 | stoned | dpkg hi |
| 03:43.41 | dpkg | hi |
| 03:43.51 | stoned | dpkg do you know what milk is? |
| 03:44.06 | Guerin | ... |
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| 03:44.48 | stoned | what the shit is with this botxen |
| 03:45.03 | carl-m | how many people here use fvwm? |
| 03:45.07 | shingouz | stoned: he is stoned? |
| 03:45.09 | stoned | !polls |
| 03:45.09 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 03:45.13 | wols_ | stoned: why plural? pluralis majestatis |
| 03:45.26 | carl-m | dpkg, please leave me alone |
| 03:45.33 | stoned | !poll |
| 03:45.34 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 03:45.36 | klobster | anyone here from the UK? |
| 03:45.37 | stoned | happy? |
| 03:45.38 | zu22 | carl-m: i run fvwm2 soemtimes |
| 03:45.40 | krazykit | !kick carl-m |
| 03:45.41 | Guerin | carl-m: stop asking stupid questions and perhaps he will. |
| 03:45.50 | carl-m | He's free to |
| 03:46.02 | wols_ | carl-m: then don't ask stupid questions. or sussudio _will_ badger you |
| 03:46.09 | stoned | seriously |
| 03:46.10 | wols_ | and dpkg is the better choice |
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| 03:46.12 | stoned | I've seen it happen |
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| 03:46.17 | stoned | its not gonna be good |
| 03:46.25 | stoned | in fact, its not gonna be good for anyone |
| 03:46.33 | shingouz | badgers? no, they are 3v1l |
| 03:46.41 | krazykit | %bite shingouz |
| 03:46.43 | zu22 | !eat stoned |
| 03:46.49 | stoned | !stoned |
| 03:46.51 | dondelelcaro | please stop with the bot abuse. |
| 03:46.55 | shingouz | krazykit: hey! |
| 03:46.56 | stoned | yes |
| 03:47.12 | wols_ | carl-m: so do you have a serious question or not? |
| 03:47.18 | stoned | so anyway, what do you want with fvwm? |
| 03:47.42 | carl-m | wols_: my serious question is recommendations for debian on a virtual server hosting company |
| 03:47.56 | stoned | thats not a question. |
| 03:48.04 | carl-m | my nonserious question is how many people are left who don't run gnome or kde |
| 03:48.10 | carl-m | both are questions |
| 03:48.12 | shingouz | carl-m: google? |
| 03:48.25 | wols_ | CalJohn: are they are stand right now, both are stupid |
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| 03:48.31 | wols_ | -are |
| 03:48.32 | carl-m | shingouz: I trust google slightly less than I trust anonymous recommendations in a chat room |
| 03:48.38 | dondelelcaro | carl-m: if you want to know about what people are running, look at popcon.debian.org |
| 03:48.39 | Guerin | carl-m: i recommend rimuhosting.com |
| 03:48.51 | krazykit | Guerin, rim u? sounds dirty. |
| 03:48.56 | stoned | !tell carl-m -about popcon |
| 03:49.07 | carl-m | shingouz: because the sites on google at least have time to prepare to lie to me |
| 03:49.09 | Guerin | krazykit: heh. A rimu is a tree |
| 03:49.16 | dondelelcaro | carl-m: as far as virtual hosting goes, there are a bunch of them. Pick one that has reasonable costs without lockin, and try it out; worst case, you switch to someone else. |
| 03:49.38 | carl-m | stoned: I know about popcon |
| 03:49.48 | stoned | I like it with butter |
| 03:49.50 | stoned | extra butter |
| 03:49.54 | wols_ | carl-m: if you can, pick a xen using one, not ULM |
| 03:49.56 | wols_ | *ZMK |
| 03:50.03 | wols_ | doh!. UML |
| 03:50.09 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:50.16 | stoned | universal markup language? |
| 03:50.23 | Guerin | wols_ is using a transcription cipher, how quaint |
| 03:50.26 | carl-m | stoned: I'm sure you do, right now |
| 03:50.26 | cast | usermode loonix |
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| 03:50.52 | wols_ | carl-m: they are all loonatics in #debian. why would you trust asylum inmates? |
| 03:51.04 | carl-m | wols_: better than professional liars |
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| 03:51.12 | stoned | wols_: hey you have a tail |
| 03:51.32 | simonrvn | when you're not getting any ... |
| 03:51.34 | wols_ | we're better. we're _compulsive_ liars. we don't do it for our own gain |
| 03:51.37 | Guerin | stoned: you're just jealous |
| 03:51.44 | wols_ | does this turn you on? |
| 03:51.53 | stoned | simonrvn: hey man how are you |
| 03:51.57 | carl-m | wols_: as in, debian is better, it builds character, etc. I have the same compulsion |
| 03:52.00 | simonrvn | good, you? |
| 03:52.03 | stoned | Guerin: but sometimes he doesn't have one |
| 03:52.06 | stoned | simonrvn: I am grand |
| 03:52.16 | simonrvn | v.cool |
| 03:52.31 | stoned | I started a new job, I can finally toke up now too |
| 03:52.33 | Guerin | mmm, goat shanks for dinnar |
| 03:52.40 | stoned | I'm just kickin back maxin and relaxin |
| 03:52.49 | _ | all cool? |
| 03:52.49 | stoned | it really aint too taxin' |
| 03:53.00 | wols_ | Guerin: why not the customary sheep entrails? |
| 03:53.07 | stoned | yo |
| 03:53.09 | Guerin | _: best nick evar |
| 03:53.10 | wfq | I am loggin in by ssh into a server. I have added a new enviroment variable to .bash_profile and even to .bashrc but I can see it when I echo it |
| 03:53.13 | stoned | ever been in a haunted house? |
| 03:53.15 | zu22 | mint jelly goes nicely with goat |
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| 03:53.22 | stoned | they throw fake blood and intestines on ya |
| 03:53.34 | Guerin | wols_: sheep entrails aren't customary in my part of the world. |
| 03:53.36 | stoned | try to scare you, but I made it to the end once, and won $100 |
| 03:53.39 | zu22 | stoned: welcome to the Internets! |
| 03:53.54 | stoned | zu22: you should have welcomed me in 1994 |
| 03:54.03 | wols_ | Guerin: why not? I'm sure you have plenty of them so why waste them? |
| 03:54.07 | stoned | you are about 13 years too late |
| 03:54.34 | stoned | hey goat balls are a delicacy in pakistan |
| 03:54.37 | zu22 | stoned: i was around when the good ol' NSF was running things :P |
| 03:54.38 | Guerin | wfq: source .bashrc |
| 03:54.50 | stoned | ahh word |
| 03:54.52 | Guerin | wfq: New Zealanders are wussy when it comes to offal |
| 03:55.00 | stoned | offal? what is that |
| 03:55.06 | simonrvn | Guerin: you're just offal |
| 03:55.09 | Guerin | stoned: mm, sheep balls are awesome things |
| 03:55.11 | wols_ | zu22: aren't they still? somebody has to run the world government now that FEMA is all out in the open and has shown how incompetent they are |
| 03:55.13 | shingouz | stoned: something you do nto like to eat |
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| 03:55.22 | Guerin | simonrvn: you have to pronounce it like a valley girl for full effect |
| 03:55.24 | stoned | I try not to eat balls if i can help it |
| 03:55.26 | stoned | :/ |
| 03:55.32 | wfq | Guerin, I have tried and works but when I log out and log in back by ssh the env var is not |
| 03:55.38 | Guerin | stoned: we ate them in china, and they're sublime |
| 03:55.39 | zu22 | wols_: it's all about the Illuminati (shh) |
| 03:55.47 | simonrvn | Guerin: that's how it's getting pronounced in my head :P |
| 03:55.49 | stoned | Guerin: I've had em once in pakistan on a family dinner |
| 03:55.51 | Guerin | wfq: what line did you put in .bashrc? |
| 03:56.19 | Guerin | i love the third world; civilisation is a bit boring |
| 03:56.20 | wfq | Guerin, http://pastebin.ca/602478 |
| 03:56.23 | zu22 | Guerin: i like to eat baby squid |
| 03:56.40 | stoned | yes Guerat |
| 03:56.43 | stoned | I mena Guerin |
| 03:56.49 | Guerin | zu22: yeah, they're good, but I'm allergic to anything with >4 legs |
| 03:57.01 | stoned | get it, you + borat |
| 03:57.08 | stoned | Guerat |
| 03:57.09 | stoned | nm |
| 03:57.10 | zu22 | Guerin: ah |
| 03:57.14 | shingouz | Guerin: lobster too? |
| 03:57.16 | wfq | if I do ln -s .bash_profile .profile then works but the env path changes |
| 03:57.27 | Guerin | wfq: that's just fucked |
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| 03:58.35 | zu22 | my chinese is here, time to eat, bbl |
| 03:58.41 | Guerin | wfq: http://pastebin.ca/602540 |
| 03:58.48 | Guerin | wfq: that should work |
| 03:58.58 | Guerin | shingouz: sadly so. |
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| 03:59.58 | shingouz | Guerin: yuo really must be allergic to anything with over four legs... personally i do not eat even four-legged things that say "woof" |
| 04:00.34 | stoned | ever had sheep large intestine? |
| 04:00.40 | stoned | they eat that in pakistan too |
| 04:00.44 | stoned | they call it Ojhri |
| 04:00.45 | wfq | Guerin, I have done before but the problem is when I do: echo $PERL5LIB is printed as empty. |
| 04:00.46 | Azar | WoW!!! Apt-on-CD!! |
| 04:00.54 | shingouz | nver been to pakistan so i am nto sure |
| 04:00.54 | Guerin | shingouz: yeah, squid/occy, crab, shrimp, lobster/etc, tarantulas, crickets, etc... |
| 04:00.58 | Penix | kangaroo's pretty tasty |
| 04:00.58 | Azar | thats exactly what I was looking for |
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| 04:01.06 | stoned | hahaha |
| 04:01.08 | wfq | Could it be a sshd_config setting? |
| 04:01.09 | Guerin | stoned: i have had it, yeah. Chewy. |
| 04:01.09 | stoned | Penix: what a nick |
| 04:01.14 | stoned | Guerin: ugh. |
| 04:01.34 | Penix | stoned: welcome to five years ago |
| 04:01.42 | stoned | ? |
| 04:01.43 | Guerin | wfq: put export in fron of the initial declaration |
| 04:01.54 | Guerin | stoned: Penix is from days of yore |
| 04:01.54 | stoned | !penixstrike Penix |
| 04:01.55 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Penix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 04:02.32 | Azar | haha |
| 04:03.10 | Guerin | can Penix create a Penix large enough to knock Penix to the ground? |
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| 04:03.19 | krazykit | apparently so |
| 04:03.24 | hiyah | how do you rsync a directory name with spacing? i tried to use "\ " to replace the space but failed |
| 04:03.27 | wols_ | Guerin: yes, he's powerful enough |
| 04:03.31 | Penix | I was just pondering the same basic penix hypothesis |
| 04:03.36 | krazykit | hiyah, "" perhaps |
| 04:03.46 | Guerin | hiyah: one of " " or \ |
| 04:03.48 | Guerin | hiyah: not both |
| 04:04.09 | Guerin | wols_: that breaks a lot of judeo-christian theosophy |
| 04:04.34 | Penix | heh |
| 04:04.34 | Azar | bah... damn why they mix debian-based packages on the Debian news.. dammit |
| 04:04.34 | stoned | Dragon Penix Z - Super Penix with power level 10000 |
| 04:04.34 | stoned | or more whatever |
| 04:04.34 | wols_ | Guerin: who cares? they never recovered fromt hat galileo thing anyways |
| 04:04.37 | Guerin | wols_: heh |
| 04:04.44 | shingouz | Guerin: a bug against Penix? ou sure that helps? |
| 04:04.48 | Guerin | wols_: i see you've been listening to Moglen as well |
| 04:04.52 | Penix | shingouz: couldn't hurt |
| 04:04.57 | shingouz | heh |
| 04:05.05 | Guerin | shingouz: no, against libreligion-judeo-christian-base |
| 04:05.11 | shingouz | k |
| 04:05.11 | simonrvn | file a bug report against the JC god |
| 04:05.16 | wols_ | Guerin: not really? what did he do? design a new license for the vatican? |
| 04:05.24 | Azar | haha |
| 04:05.30 | Guerin | wols_: galileo == stallman |
| 04:05.46 | wols_ | galileo = galileo |
| 04:05.46 | Azar | et pur si muove |
| 04:05.56 | hiyah | rsync "abc@xyz:/home/My Documents/" . |
| 04:05.58 | krazykit | stoned, it's over 9000! |
| 04:05.59 | wols_ | how is rms like galileo? Is MS the inquisition now? |
| 04:05.59 | hiyah | failed.. |
| 04:06.01 | Guerin | wols_: i jest. But you should listen to it. |
| 04:06.07 | _ | prolly not the right channel for this but is ther an IRC client that will let you log in to two nicks at the same time? |
| 04:06.20 | Penix | imagine the conflicts for that package |
| 04:06.22 | Guerin | hiyah: "/home/My Documents/" |
| 04:06.28 | Azar | earth rotation compared with freedom of software concepts |
| 04:06.34 | krazykit | _, irssi will. just /connect a second time |
| 04:06.34 | wols_ | Guerin: listen to what? those GNU dude talk so _much_: hard to choose :) |
| 04:06.40 | shingouz | _: xchat |
| 04:06.53 | Guerin | wols_: http://www.archive.org/details/EbenMoglenLectureEdinburghJune2007 |
| 04:06.59 | rlc` | Hi |
| 04:07.07 | wols_ | senks |
| 04:07.09 | I_Rebel | loading module 'yenta socket' |
| 04:07.13 | hiyah | Guerin: no it doesn't work... |
| 04:07.24 | hiyah | rsync abc@xyz:"/home/My Documents/" . |
| 04:07.35 | Guerin | hiyah: then try My\ Documents |
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| 04:08.21 | zinx | because |
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| 04:08.28 | hiyah | ok now it works with the \ |
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| 04:08.31 | zinx | using rsync like that expands twice |
| 04:08.44 | zinx | once due to shell expansion, and once due to shell expansion on the remote machine |
| 04:08.48 | Guerin | zinx: oh, ok. |
| 04:08.54 | Guerin | so double-quoting? |
| 04:08.56 | zinx | yeah |
| 04:09.07 | Guerin | that way lies symmetric quote hell |
| 04:09.17 | zinx | i use 's usually |
| 04:09.29 | zinx | rsyng 'abc@xyz:"/foo/file with spaces or whatever"' |
| 04:09.34 | zinx | erh, rsync |
| 04:09.51 | hiyah | oh if i use ', i don't need the \ |
| 04:10.06 | Guerin | right |
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| 04:12.23 | metbsd | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28449/ can someone give me a hand? i'm tring to setup ssh server |
| 04:12.53 | Guerin | metbsd: ssh server takes no setup |
| 04:12.58 | Guerin | metbsd: aptitude install ssh |
| 04:12.59 | Guerin | done |
| 04:13.17 | metbsd | so i uninstall ssh-server package? |
| 04:13.41 | Guerin | no, ssh is a metapackage which should install the right stuff |
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| 04:13.58 | karsten | Any good way to set up a Linux Thinkpad to be a wireless router/relay for an iMac which can't see my AP? |
| 04:14.22 | hiyah | why is it that when i type apt-get install xxx(tab) on a system, it can auto search for the matching.. but on some systems it doesn't work? |
| 04:14.41 | wols_ | bash tab completion not enabled |
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| 04:15.10 | stoned | is it possible to tab complete dpkg commands etc.? |
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| 04:15.18 | stoned | and apt commands to |
| 04:15.24 | stoned | stuff like that? |
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| 04:16.05 | simonrvn | stoned: in zsh yes |
| 04:16.15 | stoned | bash? |
| 04:16.17 | Guerin | simonrvn: yes and no. Yes in zsh, no in bash. |
| 04:16.22 | stoned | damnit |
| 04:16.25 | simonrvn | bash too, with bash_completion, but zsh's is better IMO |
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| 04:16.37 | stoned | !zsh |
| 04:16.37 | dpkg | methinks zsh is at http://www.zsh.org (Powerful UNIX shell), usage tips at http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/zsh/tips.html, or good article here: http://www.daemonnews.org/199910/zsh.html, or much more powerful than bash, or going from bash to zsh is like switching from redhat to debian, or #zsh, or postpone questions until finishing http://zsh.sunsite.dk/Guide/ |
| 04:17.00 | metbsd | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28450/ i still have problem |
| 04:17.26 | klobster | anyone here from the UK? |
| 04:17.44 | metbsd | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28450/ severe aptitude problem |
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| 04:17.57 | Guerin | /usr/share/debconf/confmodule: line 45: read: read error: 0: Resource temporarily unavailable # funky |
| 04:17.58 | shingouz | klobster: no, we are all from mars |
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| 04:18.10 | Guerin | metbsd: check BTS. What branch are you using? |
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| 04:18.21 | metbsd | bt? |
| 04:18.21 | Guerin | stable? |
| 04:18.27 | metbsd | yes |
| 04:18.28 | metbsd | etch |
| 04:18.35 | Guerin | !topicbadger metbsd |
| 04:18.35 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that metbsd didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 04:18.48 | metbsd | ?? |
| 04:18.50 | klobster | metbsd: try installing openssh-server first, then ssh... |
| 04:19.03 | metbsd | klobster, i did that, same thing |
| 04:19.27 | klobster | metbsd: it says not installed...\ |
| 04:19.50 | metbsd | but when i tried to install openssh-server i had old pastebin |
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| 04:19.52 | wfq | Guerin, Thanks a lot anyway. It does not work by ssh and yes by source, once you have logged in. I have tried to change the PATH and changes were not made. However, if I create a .profile, then it works so I think is ssh enviroment problem. |
| 04:19.58 | Guerin | klobster: the problem seems to be that debconf is failing |
| 04:20.10 | metbsd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:20.31 | Guerin | wfq: ssh can be configured as a login shell or not |
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| 04:20.37 | Guerin | wfq: that makes a difference |
| 04:21.28 | simonrvn | fuck i hope this aptitude update makes it load the package state faster... |
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| 04:21.41 | wfq | Guerin, yes I know. I am goint to take a look at it. |
| 04:21.52 | klobster | metbsd: can you cat /usr/share/debconf/confmodule | pastebin? |
| 04:22.01 | simonrvn | 15-20 m to load a package state is crap. dselect on a m68k is faster than this |
| 04:22.02 | metbsd | yes |
| 04:23.07 | wfq | Guerin, even it could be ssh as login shell is set to take into account just the .profile instead the .bashrc |
| 04:23.24 | wfq | *instead of |
| 04:23.50 | metbsd | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28451/ klobster |
| 04:24.07 | simonrvn | is the k for kooked? |
| 04:24.26 | Guerin | wfq: no, it won't use root's login files unless you're logging in as root |
| 04:24.37 | Guerin | simonrvn: krunchy |
| 04:24.39 | simonrvn | a red lobster is a c{k}ooked lobster |
| 04:25.17 | simonrvn | mm, krunchy isn't that good ;) |
| 04:25.26 | klobster | how do you know it isn't clobster? |
| 04:25.29 | simonrvn | then you're eating carapace |
| 04:26.19 | simonrvn | i could always do: |
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| 04:26.22 | wfq | Guerin, I am logging in as normal user. Root's access is disabled. Anyway I am 'googling'. |
| 04:27.00 | klobster | metbsd: can you tell me the output of readlink /bin/sh |
| 04:27.07 | kjikaqawej | 'ook-chee-ga'-ha'-wetch |
| 04:27.19 | metbsd | sorry what is readlink? |
| 04:27.26 | klobster | its K[DE]lobster, BTW |
| 04:27.31 | kjikaqawej | ooh |
| 04:27.42 | kjikaqawej | ok |
| 04:27.58 | klobster | it tells you the file a symlink is linked to. |
| 04:28.04 | klobster | good instinct |
| 04:28.26 | metbsd | the link that /bin/sh links to? |
| 04:28.31 | klobster | 8yes |
| 04:28.41 | metbsd | bash |
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| 04:28.44 | kjikaqawej | /bin/sh is a link, it'll tell you what the real file is |
| 04:28.59 | metbsd | is that' how linux assign default shell for root? |
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| 04:29.03 | kjikaqawej | er, non-symlink file, rather |
| 04:29.11 | metbsd | bash |
| 04:29.14 | kjikaqawej | no, the whole system |
| 04:29.18 | Guerin | wfq: bravo. |
| 04:29.26 | metbsd | it's funny though |
| 04:29.39 | metbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.47 | kjikaqawej | \o/ it does fix it :) |
| 04:29.48 | Guerin | kjikaqawej: server won't accept unicode? |
| 04:29.51 | metbsd | bash is bourne-again |
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| 04:30.08 | metbsd | there's no point to make a link for /bin/sh |
| 04:30.16 | metbsd | everyone can do chsh |
| 04:30.25 | kjikaqawej | it's the roman orthography, i don't know the characters for the L'nu that well |
| 04:30.32 | Guerin | fair enough |
| 04:30.46 | kjikaqawej | though there should be an accent.. |
| 04:30.52 | wols | stew: see? no tail |
| 04:30.59 | wols | stoned: |
| 04:31.23 | klobster | metbsd: just makin sure you did not switch it to dash, some people do... |
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| 04:31.53 | stoned | word |
| 04:32.02 | kjikaqawej | nope, doesn't like accents |
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| 04:32.47 | Gigantic | .!boo |
| 04:32.58 | metbsd | usually unix system won't do that |
| 04:33.41 | kjikaqawej | i did, i prefer it that way. if you stick bashisms in your 'sh' scripts, use #!/bin/bash and don't inflict the rest of us with them ;p |
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| 04:34.42 | klobster | Guerin: hey can you tell me where this is set: _db_internal_line from http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28451/ |
| 04:35.18 | metbsd | klobster, can that problem be fixed? |
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| 04:36.15 | klobster | metbsd: I am looking.. |
| 04:36.23 | metbsd | thanks |
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| 04:39.54 | Guerin | klobster: i have no idea |
| 04:40.03 | klobster | i'm listening |
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| 04:40.34 | Guerin | ... |
| 04:42.25 | floppypond | in /proc/loadavg, what are the last two numbers? |
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| 04:44.12 | Guerin | floppypond: it's probably documented in the kernel doc |
| 04:44.31 | floppypond | I'm having trouble finding it |
| 04:45.22 | klobster | Guerin: oh I saw "an"; != no |
| 04:45.46 | klobster | guerin: you couldn't see where that var got filled? |
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| 04:49.00 | Guerin | klobster: i don't really know enough about the subsystem to be of any use. You could ask #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, but this looks to me like a PEBCAK problem since I know for a fact that package works on stable (unless there's a new one from security.d.o) |
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| 04:50.39 | klobster | guerin: the line it hangs on (cant get file) is 45, which states read -r $some_lame_var, but I cant find where it is defined. is this a lib sript for another script? |
| 04:51.12 | Guerin | klobster: how clear can I make this: I HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA |
| 04:51.24 | Guerin | i could probably find out |
| 04:51.30 | klobster | guerin: heheh. sorry. my bad |
| 04:51.34 | Guerin | but then I'd have to UTSL, and I'm busy ;) |
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| 04:52.18 | klobster | brb smoking... |
| 04:54.10 | klobster | metbsd: try to upgrade debconf? |
| 04:54.33 | Guerin | stable shoud not need updates except from security |
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| 04:57.57 | squidly | hello. I've got a problem. I cant seem to get the /dev/lp to show up |
| 04:58.24 | witless | i'm trying to install etch on an intel DG965WHMKR motherboard with a celeron D CPU. during hardware detection i'm getting "no common cdrom found" error. is there a fix? |
| 05:00.12 | Guerin | witless: boot in expert and try disabling some of the cd/ide drivers |
| 05:00.18 | wols | !tell witless about kmuto |
| 05:00.28 | Guerin | oh, or that |
| 05:00.50 | witless | i have PM disabled - what's kmuto? |
| 05:00.50 | jelly-home | btw, how does disabling ide drivers help? |
| 05:00.55 | Guerin | squidly: modprobe lp and/or usblp |
| 05:01.08 | zu22 | i would like to maintain a package for Debian, i've never done this before, how do i get started? it is a game client (yes it's open source) and is not yet packaged |
| 05:01.27 | Guerin | jelly-home: in rare cases the excess drivers confuse the kernel. I had a box which would only detect the installer disk if only the generic drivers were loaded. |
| 05:01.30 | squidly | Guerin: modprobe lp returned no errors and it still does not show up |
| 05:01.39 | Guerin | squidly: i blame udev, then. |
| 05:02.05 | metbsd | klobster, i tried upgrade debconf |
| 05:02.06 | Guerin | zu22: #debian-mentors irc.debian.org - suggest reading the nm guide, which dpkg will happily tell you about |
| 05:02.07 | metbsd | same things |
| 05:02.14 | metbsd | it keeps complaiining about ssh |
| 05:02.17 | zu22 | squidly: did you roll the kernel yourself or it's a stock one? |
| 05:02.24 | zu22 | Guerin: cool |
| 05:02.44 | squidly | zu22: its a fresh Etch Stable install |
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| 05:03.21 | Guerin | witless: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 05:03.36 | zu22 | squidly: maybe try running strace and see if something is failing behind the scenes, or else try a different debian kernel image |
| 05:04.04 | witless | no workee |
| 05:04.19 | Guerin | witless: grr |
| 05:04.23 | Guerin | !kmuto |
| 05:04.23 | dpkg | For sarge with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 05:04.32 | witless | thanks |
| 05:04.36 | klobster | metbsd: sorry I am at a loss. I cant figure out where it's getting that variable. you could add a printf $_db_internal_line to line 44, and we could find out what it says, but don't forget to change it back |
| 05:04.55 | witless | um, sarge? |
| 05:04.56 | Guerin | witless: making yourself difficult to help makes it difficult to help you |
| 05:05.42 | witless | is there an equivalent for etch? |
| 05:05.56 | wols | witless: no. but why would you need to have one? |
| 05:06.02 | Guerin | witless: apparently not. Is your box extremely new? |
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| 05:06.23 | Guerin | wols: some boxen need .21 |
| 05:06.33 | Guerin | damn that progress! |
| 05:06.35 | wols | Guerin: what kind of them? |
| 05:06.37 | wols | and why? |
| 05:06.46 | witless | intel DG965WH motherboard with a celeron D CPU |
| 05:06.53 | metbsd | i have a fucked up debian etch, aptitude gets me errors and comlaints |
| 05:06.54 | Guerin | wols: drivers. Don't ask me, I never buy anything less than a year old. |
| 05:07.05 | metbsd | it seems there's no way to fix it |
| 05:07.14 | metbsd | unless i wipe out debian and reinstall |
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| 05:07.25 | wols | nevyn: dibÄt firget ti reubstakk wubdiws |
| 05:07.26 | Guerin | wols: that means nothing to us, but it might mean something to google. I'd try one of the new testing installers - i think there's one with .21 |
| 05:07.29 | wols | *reinstall windows |
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| 05:07.56 | MangosDebian | mornin |
| 05:08.06 | Guerin | metbsd: output of aptitude -f install; |
| 05:08.07 | witless | the odd thing is that i installed etch on this motherboard on another machine |
| 05:08.38 | wols | metbsd: can you just answer me one thing: why are you running etch with some packages held back? |
| 05:09.12 | Guerin | wols: because following instructions is for sissies |
| 05:09.19 | witless | what about installing off a usb memory stick? |
| 05:09.21 | wols | Guerin: thought so |
| 05:09.26 | Guerin | wols: doable |
| 05:09.29 | wols | !d-i |
| 05:09.29 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 05:09.30 | Guerin | witless: doable |
| 05:09.32 | wols | witless: read that |
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| 05:11.00 | metbsd | wols, ?? what you mean |
| 05:11.12 | metbsd | it isn't my system, it's from the previous administrator who quit the job |
| 05:11.35 | Guerin | metbsd: make it yours |
| 05:11.42 | metbsd | i can't |
| 05:11.44 | wols | metbsd: I do not believe you. especially since you didnt fix it first thing you got |
| 05:11.44 | Guerin | because it sure is yours now |
| 05:11.47 | metbsd | alot exim script being setup |
| 05:11.58 | metbsd | i know jackshit about exim, and it's hard to config as hell |
| 05:12.07 | metbsd | the old guy is pretty good though |
| 05:12.16 | metbsd | was |
| 05:12.19 | wols | s/exim/anything/ |
| 05:12.25 | Guerin | metbsd: if you want help, tell me what I asked for. |
| 05:12.28 | metbsd | again, i can't |
| 05:12.32 | metbsd | it's a backup smtp server |
| 05:12.33 | zu22 | i was just browing a package's cache (gnome-terminal) and i noticed some of the letters in the maintainer's name were replaced by white diamonds with a black question mark inside, i assume it's trying to render some character (accent etc.) it doesn't know about, any clue how to fix this? (the same characters show up as white solid squares in regular linux virtual terminals) |
| 05:12.48 | metbsd | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28452/ Guerin |
| 05:12.59 | metbsd | the output of aptitude -f install |
| 05:13.00 | wols | zu22: what is your locale? |
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| 05:13.18 | witless | do i want mini.iso? |
| 05:13.22 | metbsd | it's abackup exim4 smtp server with SA, clamav, mysql.. i can't replace it with something else |
| 05:13.34 | zu22 | wols: i did env|grep LOCALE and it returned nothing hmm |
| 05:13.55 | Guerin | metbsd: absolutely nothing is going to work until you fix that breakage. |
| 05:13.58 | wols | zu22: and why did you do that? |
| 05:14.03 | m0rbid_ | o.O |
| 05:14.08 | Guerin | zu22: locales |
| 05:14.12 | Guerin | err locale |
| 05:14.32 | metbsd | Guerin, weird thing is, if i complete purge ssh, and install other things, no error, but once i try to install ssh, it happens |
| 05:14.56 | Guerin | metbsd: so i suggest you notify your users of some backup MX downtime, and upgrade all those held-back packages, and fix the breakage as it comes in. |
| 05:15.13 | metbsd | i can't afford downtime |
| 05:15.20 | metbsd | other two mail servers being used |
| 05:15.23 | Guerin | metbsd: it looks like there's x and a bunch of other stupid this on there, too - why |
| 05:15.30 | zu22 | wols: LANG=C |
| 05:15.34 | Guerin | metbsd: this is a backup MX and you can't afford to take it down? |
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| 05:15.49 | Guerin | zu22: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 05:15.49 | metbsd | what are you suggesting? |
| 05:15.56 | zu22 | wols: every LC_ is set to "C" |
| 05:15.56 | metbsd | do i reinstall debian? |
| 05:16.00 | Guerin | metbsd: i'm suggesting it's not actually a BACKUP MX |
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| 05:16.06 | zu22 | Guerin: k |
| 05:16.09 | Guerin | metbsd: that would mean DOWNTIME, no? |
| 05:16.16 | metbsd | it's already down |
| 05:16.22 | Guerin | metbsd: so fucking fix it already |
| 05:16.25 | metbsd | i swap it with one of the other two |
| 05:16.30 | Guerin | Jesusfuckingchrist |
| 05:16.31 | metbsd | HOW TO FUCKING FIX IT |
| 05:16.37 | metbsd | that's the problem |
| 05:16.38 | Guerin | metbsd: un-hold those packages |
| 05:16.38 | metbsd | i can't |
| 05:16.44 | Guerin | yes, you fucking can |
| 05:16.48 | metbsd | i already purge them |
| 05:16.52 | metbsd | many many times |
| 05:16.57 | Guerin | if you can't then you should tell your boss to hire someone competent |
| 05:16.58 | metbsd | when i try to reinstall |
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| 05:17.01 | metbsd | they just come back |
| 05:17.10 | Guerin | I didn't say purge |
| 05:17.14 | metbsd | nobody can fix it |
| 05:17.16 | zu22 | will UTF-8 give me a bigger character set than ISO 8859-1? |
| 05:17.20 | metbsd | remove? |
| 05:17.21 | grew | its fixable |
| 05:17.26 | Guerin | I said un-hold - that means let them upgrade |
| 05:17.28 | metbsd | or you want me delete all packages? |
| 05:17.34 | grew | but possibly not without downtime |
| 05:17.42 | grew | maintenance requires downtime in many cases |
| 05:17.42 | Guerin | i mean `go and slam your head in a filing cabinet' |
| 05:17.43 | metbsd | you've seen how it is when i upgrade it |
| 05:17.58 | grew | if your boss is not ok with that, he should have redundant systems |
| 05:18.38 | MangosDebian | Guerin: rather than get all worked up over someone else's job, why not just leave him to fix it himself, or hire real help? |
| 05:18.50 | metbsd | is there any experienced debian developer here |
| 05:18.53 | MangosDebian | this aint your job |
| 05:18.58 | Azar | yep, that's our Guerin fixing stuff with a stick |
| 05:19.03 | Guerin | metbsd: you don't need a developer, you need a competent admin |
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| 05:19.27 | metbsd | i can't fix it |
| 05:19.42 | Guerin | metbsd: then quit your job and tell your boss to hire someone who can |
| 05:19.43 | metbsd | any competent admin here |
| 05:19.55 | metbsd | yes fuck you Guerin |
| 05:19.59 | Guerin | metbsd: aptitude purge ssh openssh-server |
| 05:20.01 | Guerin | start there |
| 05:20.02 | shingouz | metbsd: take the packages off hold and let them upgrade |
| 05:20.07 | MangosDebian | metbsd!? |
| 05:20.18 | Guerin | %bear metbsd |
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| 05:21.01 | metbsd | uninstall package, and upgrade? |
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| 05:21.07 | metbsd | wtf you talking about |
| 05:21.14 | Guerin | metbsd: just uninstall those two at theis stage. |
| 05:21.14 | Azar | interesting how one gets paid to fix issues, comes here for free help then kicks the helper in the nuts |
| 05:21.19 | metbsd | uninstall package a, and upgrade package a |
| 05:21.40 | MangosDebian | Azar: yes, interesting times we live in |
| 05:22.00 | Guerin | metbsd: either follow my fucking directions or piss off. I might be able to help you but you have to actually do what I say, and stop whining./ |
| 05:22.18 | metbsd | ok |
| 05:22.47 | metbsd | i only have openssh-client and ssh though |
| 05:22.58 | Guerin | uninstall them |
| 05:23.02 | MangosDebian | Anyone else think, The Cult - Painted on my heart sounds like Supertramp singer? |
| 05:23.03 | Guerin | get a local console login |
| 05:24.09 | metbsd | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28453/ Guerin |
| 05:24.40 | Guerin | metbsd: does it run clean? |
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| 05:25.11 | shortcake | hey i'm running debian with xfce and i dont know how to setup dhcp |
| 05:25.14 | metbsd | looks like it, except for not able to delete directorys with public keys |
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| 05:25.24 | Guerin | metbsd: ignore that. |
| 05:25.35 | shortcake | i googled but only found how to setup dhcp servers |
| 05:25.39 | Guerin | metbsd: not dpkg --get-selection |grep -v install |
| 05:25.47 | Guerin | metbsd: anything with `hold'? |
| 05:25.56 | MangosDebian | shortcake: man interfaces |
| 05:26.05 | Guerin | shortcake: you want to run a dhcp server or no?> |
| 05:26.05 | shortcake | whats that? |
| 05:26.13 | shey | anyone manage to get nvidia working in SID? |
| 05:26.20 | shortcake | no server my net is set to static or something |
| 05:26.28 | shortcake | i cant get online |
| 05:26.35 | Guerin | !anyone use nvidia working in SID? |
| 05:26.35 | dpkg | No, no one uses nvidia working in SID, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:26.38 | shortcake | i just need to tell auto dhcp |
| 05:26.43 | MangosDebian | shortcake: type it and find out. It wont matter if its static or dhcp, that man page will explain all |
| 05:26.47 | Guerin | shortcake: run the command `man interfaces' at a terminal |
| 05:27.03 | shortcake | man interfaces in console? |
| 05:27.07 | shortcake | oh ok |
| 05:27.08 | metbsd | dpkg: unknown option --get-selection |
| 05:27.09 | shortcake | thanks |
| 05:27.19 | Guerin | metbsd: selections |
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| 05:28.14 | metbsd | Guerin, that command returns nothing |
| 05:28.30 | Guerin | metbsd: good. now aptitude -f install; |
| 05:29.10 | MangosDebian | metbsd: unknown option cause you typed it wrong, man dpkg and search for what you typed should reveal something interesting |
| 05:29.21 | metbsd | a blue menu comes up |
| 05:29.34 | Guerin | metbsd: follow instructions |
| 05:29.36 | metbsd | ispell |
| 05:29.46 | zu22 | i ran dpkg-reconfigure locales and selected en_US.UTF-8 but when i run `locale` i still see "LANG=C" hmm is a reboot needed for it to take effect? |
| 05:29.59 | Guerin | zu22: login/out |
| 05:30.04 | Guerin | err, out/in |
| 05:30.10 | zu22 | Guerin: ah :) |
| 05:30.24 | Guerin | zu22: or you can manually set it |
| 05:30.30 | MangosDebian | zu22: next time remember, export VARNAME="foo" makes it perm for that session |
| 05:30.31 | Guerin | but I forget the command |
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| 05:30.56 | metbsd | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28454/ Guerin |
| 05:31.27 | metbsd | do i try installing ssh? |
| 05:31.41 | Guerin | no |
| 05:31.47 | shortcake | i think thats above me |
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| 05:32.12 | MangosDebian | shortcake: then our help wont make much sense to you either |
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| 05:32.20 | zu22 | Guerin: success, i'll remember that |
| 05:32.36 | Guerin | metbsd: run it again; if it runs clean (no packages acted on) tell me |
| 05:32.44 | Guerin | winnar! |
| 05:32.45 | metbsd | ok |
| 05:32.50 | shortcake | is there a gui or something? |
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| 05:33.15 | metbsd | no error, no package insatlled, Guerin |
| 05:33.25 | Guerin | metbsd: paste output again |
| 05:33.39 | MangosDebian | shortcake: /etc/network/interfaces is the file you seek. Good luck! |
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| 05:33.49 | Guerin | shortcake: it's just a test file |
| 05:33.54 | Guerin | err, text file |
| 05:34.06 | metbsd | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28455/ |
| 05:34.26 | Guerin | metbsd: aptitude install libclamav2 libkrb53 libpq4 linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 05:34.31 | shortcake | ok |
| 05:34.39 | metbsd | no |
| 05:34.43 | metbsd | i'm using a custom kernel |
| 05:35.02 | Guerin | metbsd: NMFP |
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| 05:35.10 | Guerin | metbsd: you can still install the debian package |
| 05:35.26 | metbsd | will it delete the lilo |
| 05:35.38 | Guerin | metbsd: not if you configure your shit properly |
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| 05:35.50 | metbsd | ok so i 'll do that |
| 05:36.27 | slack101 | MangosDebian, guess what ? |
| 05:36.39 | MangosDebian | slack101: ?! what? |
| 05:36.49 | slack101 | server works .......new kernel compiled good |
| 05:36.58 | slack101 | just had ot answer all those new questions |
| 05:37.10 | slack101 | lol |
| 05:37.19 | MangosDebian | :) gratz |
| 05:37.21 | slack101 | i was happy as hell when it worked |
| 05:37.30 | slack101 | Backuping up server |
| 05:37.31 | metbsd | Guerin, it's done without error |
| 05:37.32 | slack101 | :P |
| 05:37.45 | metbsd | can i install ssh now? |
| 05:38.00 | zu22 | !kill MangosDebian |
| 05:38.01 | MangosDebian | ya, i woke up in some trash bin down on 3rd street after a week long bender celebrating my first compile |
| 05:38.06 | Guerin | metbsd: now paste sources.list and /etc/apt/preferences |
| 05:39.39 | metbsd | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28456/ |
| 05:39.39 | MangosDebian | slack101: so, you use this particular box locally/console? or remote/ssh only |
| 05:39.47 | Guerin | 6 |
| 05:40.04 | Guerin | FFS |
| 05:40.05 | slack101 | MangosDebian, remote/ssh but it will have a remote console soon |
| 05:40.31 | Guerin | metbsd: delete /etc/apt/preferences; sources.list is ok |
| 05:40.44 | metbsd | ok |
| 05:40.46 | Guerin | metbsd: once done, do aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 05:40.50 | Azar | where is deb src ? |
| 05:41.00 | Guerin | Azar: context |
| 05:41.05 | Azar | ah ok |
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| 05:41.12 | metbsd | deleted |
| 05:41.24 | SirSherlock | hi from console how would i turn off the screen command? |
| 05:41.27 | SirSherlock | no X running |
| 05:41.59 | Guerin | SirSherlock: what screen command? |
| 05:42.28 | SirSherlock | sry, what command would i use to turn off the screen |
| 05:42.37 | SirSherlock | not just to blank, but powerdown the screen |
| 05:42.39 | Guerin | SirSherlock: WHAT fucking screen? |
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| 05:42.40 | SirSherlock | (running etch) |
| 05:42.44 | Guerin | the monitor? |
| 05:42.45 | SirSherlock | moniter |
| 05:42.50 | Azar | :) nice |
| 05:43.01 | SirSherlock | laptop moniter |
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| 05:43.06 | metbsd | Guerin, i've delete apt/preferences, what to do now? |
| 05:43.27 | Azar | < Guerin> metbsd: once done, do aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 05:43.28 | Guerin | SirSherlock: depends on what system you have. |
| 05:43.33 | Guerin | SirSherlock: suggest powersaved |
| 05:43.46 | Guerin | metbsd: 17:40:45 < Guerin> metbsd: once done, do aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 05:43.55 | SirSherlock | what is powersaved? |
| 05:44.00 | SirSherlock | packages/command? |
| 05:44.04 | metbsd | ok |
| 05:44.06 | metbsd | missed that |
| 05:44.23 | Guerin | SirSherlock: /msg dpkg search |
| 05:44.29 | metbsd | both done, with no update whatsoever |
| 05:44.29 | SirSherlock | k |
| 05:44.43 | Azar | Guerin you are five hours early to my timezone :) |
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| 05:45.22 | metbsd | now i install ssh? |
| 05:45.39 | Guerin | metbsd: if it runs clean, yes. |
| 05:46.15 | metbsd | fck this system |
| 05:46.23 | metbsd | same error |
| 05:46.35 | Guerin | metbsd: then something is horribly fucked with debconf |
| 05:46.54 | metbsd | but i've reinstalled it |
| 05:46.59 | Guerin | metbsd: you can try rteinstalling debconf manually |
| 05:47.03 | metbsd | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28457/ |
| 05:47.07 | metbsd | how do i do that |
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| 05:47.46 | rossMoHaX | hi all! How to redirect kernel boot output to serial? |
| 05:47.48 | Guerin | hey |
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| 05:48.07 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: console=/dev/ttyS0 iirc |
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| 05:48.20 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: not sure if debian has that built in or not though |
| 05:48.36 | Guerin | metbsd: find out what package owns /usr/share/debconf/confmodule; manually download and reinstall that package using dpkg -i |
| 05:48.47 | Guerin | metbsd: you might try looking at line 45, also |
| 05:49.04 | Guerin | oh, i think that was done already |
| 05:49.10 | metbsd | line 45 of what |
| 05:49.10 | Azar | hehehe: "additional penises upon retirement." http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Peddling-Pensions.aspx |
| 05:49.29 | Guerin | !dselect status |
| 05:49.36 | Guerin | !status file |
| 05:49.39 | Guerin | bah |
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| 05:50.14 | Michael_K | does anyone know how to enable flashplayer in konqueror browser? |
| 05:50.34 | zu22 | mplayer is fantastic woo |
| 05:50.37 | Guerin | kintaro0e: ask #debian-kde |
| 05:50.40 | Guerin | bah |
| 05:50.44 | Guerin | Michael_K: â |
| 05:51.39 | Michael_K | Guerin: yow i have been all over google tryin to see if i can get this damn thing to work.....but nothin |
| 05:51.47 | Guerin | metbsd: you might also try rebuilding the dpkg status file |
| 05:51.53 | Guerin | Michael_K: complain to macdobedia |
| 05:52.07 | rossMoHaX | MangosDebian, it has builtin serial suport (not as module I mean), but I recieve ony "o7" when grub loads kernel =( |
| 05:52.33 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: 9800,8,N,1 iirc |
| 05:52.37 | Michael_K | Guerin: i even tried addin the url thingy to the source list to get it and i keep runnin into problems |
| 05:52.43 | MangosDebian | err 9600 ;) |
| 05:53.11 | metbsd | maybe i should use the system with that error then |
| 05:53.16 | Michael_K | Guerin: cause i found the flashplayer at http://packages.debian.org/flashplugin-nonfree |
| 05:53.19 | metbsd | i have exim work ahead |
| 05:53.30 | Guerin | Michael_K: flash is NOFP |
| 05:53.35 | rossMoHaX | MangosDebian, Where these params I should put to? |
| 05:53.43 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: terminal software |
| 05:53.51 | Guerin | metbsd: you should fix it, because it's going to prevent you from installing stuff |
| 05:53.58 | rossMoHaX | MangosDebian, My hyperterm already uses them |
| 05:54.15 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: you using a null modem link? |
| 05:54.36 | rossMoHaX | MangosDebian, yes, grub console redirects fine |
| 05:54.49 | Guerin | metbsd: can you install any other ransom package ... like, say, hello |
| 05:55.00 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: no idea then |
| 05:55.04 | rossMoHaX | MangosDebian, but kernel output not =( |
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| 05:55.36 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: are you booting the kernel with the console= line? |
| 05:55.42 | Michael_K | Guerin: but i can't add that url to the source list ,.......and i did read the it wasn't really free ....so i was checkin out gnash....but that is in testin |
| 05:55.52 | metbsd | Guerin, yes installed fine, but with error message about ssh |
| 05:56.01 | Guerin | gnash is very experimental, too |
| 05:56.23 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: grub may display, but the kernel kernel needs to be started with console=, I think you can change its speed too, but 9600 is good default to get everything working first |
| 05:56.28 | Guerin | metbsd: remove ssh and openssh again; run aptitude clean and try again |
| 05:56.38 | Michael_K | Guerin: so any ideas on how to get konqueror browser to use flashplayers |
| 05:56.42 | Guerin | metbsd: have you checked the BTS yet? |
| 05:56.57 | Guerin | Michael_K: the very first thing I told you to do was an idea |
| 05:57.05 | metbsd | what is BTS |
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| 05:57.16 | jhulst | Hey guys, I'm trying to compile the drivers for my wireless card, a RaLink 2561 and when I run make all, I get /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build: No such file or directory, what do I need to do to get those files? |
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| 05:57.33 | Guerin | metbsd: FUCKINGHELL |
| 05:57.38 | Guerin | !topicbadger metbsd |
| 05:57.38 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that metbsd didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 05:57.44 | rossMoHaX | MangosDebian, yes, I boot kernel with console=/dev/ttyS0 |
| 05:57.45 | Michael_K | Guerin: complain to them.....fo real |
| 05:57.52 | metbsd | sorry |
| 05:57.56 | metbsd | didn't catch that |
| 05:57.56 | Guerin | Michael_K: yep. And ask #debian-kde |
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| 05:58.27 | Guerin | jhulst: probably linux-headers-$version |
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| 05:58.58 | zu22 | sheesh |
| 05:58.59 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: perhaps the kernel uses a different default speed *shrug*. look up to syntax to specify 9600,8,N,1 just in case (might be console=/dev/ttyS0,9600,8,N,1 though) |
| 05:59.12 | rossMoHaX | MangosDebian, When does it do output in realtime? or only when root is mounted and /dev files created? |
| 05:59.28 | Michael_K | Guerin: but adobe flashplayer isn't quite free right? |
| 05:59.34 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: should be soon as it starts |
| 05:59.42 | Azar | rossMoHaX and Michael_K : Debian is the operating system, kde, gnome, flash, are packages independent, "at free will" installed by users, that are not part of Debian. Debian provides the non-free packages as a courtesy, not because they must be there |
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| 06:00.05 | Guerin | because some eejits claim they must be there |
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| 06:00.46 | Azar | Debian can be run without third party packages, if you "must have" them is your and their creators business to fix |
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| 06:01.33 | Michael_K | oh ok |
| 06:01.43 | Michael_K | seen |
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| 06:02.00 | karsten | Man, real light show over Chicago tonight. |
| 06:02.15 | Azar | karsten: omg you guys started too early... |
| 06:02.23 | karsten | Azar: ?? |
| 06:02.30 | Azar | the fireworks? |
| 06:02.32 | karsten | Azar: No, lightening. |
| 06:02.40 | karsten | erm, lightning. |
| 06:02.41 | Azar | ah... natural celebration |
| 06:02.44 | karsten | Yeah. |
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| 06:02.56 | klobster | metbsd: did you fix it? |
| 06:03.01 | Azar | take some pics, show us when you get the chance |
| 06:03.02 | karsten | Considering I'll miss the fireworks this evening, I suppose it's appropriate. Should catch 'em in SF though. |
| 06:03.06 | roxy_ | After reading the news letter I decided to install apparix. Set up went ok, but all bookmars are stored as !* . The alias is: alias to='cd `(apparix -favour rOl \!* || echo -n .)` && pwd' . Is that ok for bash or should I change !* to something else ? |
| 06:03.09 | metbsd | klobster, nope |
| 06:03.14 | karsten | Azar: I tried that once. Came out horribly. |
| 06:03.26 | klobster | metbsd: where are you at? |
| 06:03.27 | zu22 | karsten: cool |
| 06:03.39 | metbsd | at where i was originally from |
| 06:03.47 | Azar | roxy_: and what is apparix? |
| 06:03.53 | metbsd | Guerin, thanks for your efford |
| 06:04.03 | zu22 | karsten: need long exposure time for lightning |
| 06:04.10 | Azar | !beer Guerin |
| 06:04.22 | Azar | ah so nice to see someone thanking... Guerin |
| 06:04.23 | karsten | zu22: yeah, I was doing 10-30 seconds with a cable release. |
| 06:04.29 | zu22 | karsten: ah |
| 06:04.34 | karsten | zu22: I can only do about 1-2 seconds with my current camera. |
| 06:04.36 | roxy_ | Azar: a pkg new in debian to bookmark directory and navigate to it: http://micans.org/apparix/ |
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| 06:04.47 | rossMoHaX | MangosDebian, console=ttyS0,9600 works well |
| 06:04.50 | zu22 | karsten: u need decent camera and tripod for cool shots, a nice wideangle lens helps |
| 06:04.55 | rossMoHaX | MangosDebian, thx a loyt |
| 06:04.58 | rossMoHaX | *lot |
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| 06:05.18 | karsten | The problem was we're surrounded by trees, most of the strikes are in the clouds, and what you end up with is some shots of what look like diffuse outdoor lighting with a bunch of blurry (moving around during the exposure) objects in 'em. |
| 06:05.34 | zu22 | karsten: ya high ground is essential |
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| 06:06.00 | zu22 | karsten: just don't go climbing up the tallest tree during the lightning storm ;) |
| 06:06.01 | Azar | roxy_: it does not say is a debian package... micans.org is not debian.org |
| 06:06.05 | karsten | zu22: Yeah, I know WRT camera and tripod. I've got a Stylus 770 (Olympus) ATM. Good for basics. |
| 06:06.08 | karsten | Heh! |
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| 06:06.11 | zu22 | heh |
| 06:06.16 | karsten | Now, that storm in Colorado.... |
| 06:06.41 | Azar | roxy_: that it MIGHT work with debian, that is a .deb package but is still a 3rd party package |
| 06:06.41 | shortcake | whats the correct way to release and renew your dhcp |
| 06:06.45 | siimo | zu22: we have a lightnin storm right now o_O a small tornado hit too |
| 06:06.47 | shortcake | ifconfig.. |
| 06:07.05 | zu22 | karsten: our physics teacher was amateur photographer, he got some really nice lightning shots over our downtown |
| 06:07.06 | karsten | shortcake: ifconfig down <interface>; dhclient <interface> |
| 06:07.20 | karsten | zu22: And where might this downtown be? |
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| 06:07.27 | zu22 | siimo: eek |
| 06:07.29 | zu22 | karsten: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania |
| 06:07.33 | shortcake | interface is eth0 right? |
| 06:07.40 | karsten | zu22: I thought you were in Germany. |
| 06:07.42 | Azar | karsten: myself I gathered some cool storm pictures from the net, saved them to use as bg wallpaper |
| 06:07.47 | Gigantic | ifdown better |
| 06:07.48 | zu22 | karsten: there is tall hillside above, so perfect spot to setup for lightning |
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| 06:07.59 | karsten | Azar: I've been shooting stuff around lately, using as wallpaper. |
| 06:08.03 | zu22 | karsten: nah i just got friends there |
| 06:08.34 | roxy_ | Azar: http://packages.debian.org/testing/utils/apparix (you're not reading the newletter, it is item #87) |
| 06:08.39 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: np |
| 06:08.39 | karsten | zu22: OK. |
| 06:09.01 | shortcake | ifdown? |
| 06:09.14 | indraveni | I want to know which file is responsible to map the icons to different applications, filesystem etc |
| 06:09.27 | Azar | roxy_: ah you are using Debian Lenny? |
| 06:09.34 | roxy_ | Azar: I just think I got a bcsh to bash translation small problem |
| 06:09.41 | roxy_ | Azar: yes |
| 06:09.46 | indraveni | I am using debian unstable and U I am seeing that all svg icons are used |
| 06:09.50 | Azar | roxy_: ah that why.. |
| 06:10.08 | karsten | shortcake: man ifupdown |
| 06:10.17 | karsten | bcsh? |
| 06:10.22 | indraveni | but I have my own theme, which has all ong images for icon theme, so I want to know where does the icon mapping is done |
| 06:10.25 | roxy_ | Azar: what is \!* in bash ? |
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| 06:10.32 | karsten | indraveni: Um, what desktop? |
| 06:10.42 | karsten | indraveni: ... and why does it matter to you? |
| 06:10.44 | indraveni | kakarot, gnome desktop |
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| 06:11.29 | indraveni | I am having all my icons replaced, except the gnome-fs-desktop.png, is not getting replaced |
| 06:13.05 | Azar | roxy_: the package seem fresh, no bugs reported yet, be the first to contact the maintainer: http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/apparix.html |
| 06:13.22 | shortcake | so.. *ifconfig down eth0 ? |
| 06:13.45 | shortcake | it said host name lookup failure |
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| 06:14.20 | Azar | roxy_: did you read the manual? |
| 06:14.27 | roxy_ | Azar: I don't think it is a bug. The script is for csh, I am trying to use it with bash. I think bash doesn't understand \!* same as csh. I need to change \!* to the same meaning for bash |
| 06:14.40 | roxy_ | Azar: I am reading csh and apparix manual atm |
| 06:14.55 | Azar | ok, maybe you find your solution there |
| 06:15.02 | roxy_ | :-) |
| 06:15.34 | shortcake | is there an example of the interfaces file somewhere i can look at that is running auto dhcp?? |
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| 06:16.00 | shortcake | then all i have to do is change it to my host nam |
| 06:16.03 | shortcake | name.. |
| 06:16.20 | kjikaqawej | auto eth0 |
| 06:16.31 | kjikaqawej | man interfaces |
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| 06:18.48 | Azar | shortcake: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html << navigate the chapters to find exactly what you need |
| 06:18.51 | roxy_ | Azar: found the problem. I didn't know that you could use a function as command in bash, so I alias the function using csh style alias. Taking aliases out of profile makes it work. |
| 06:19.24 | Azar | roxy_: dive in bash scripting for a while :) |
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| 06:19.59 | Azar | way thanks |
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| 06:21.09 | MangosDebian | hmmm, seems gates isnt the richest man anymore :) |
| 06:21.13 | MangosDebian | its a sign heh |
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| 06:21.50 | julian_demarchi | who is now? |
| 06:21.56 | julian_demarchi | Great news that gates is not. |
| 06:22.12 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: him and Larry Ellison have been trading back and forth for quite some time |
| 06:22.33 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: no, this is some mexican tycoon apparently |
| 06:22.49 | MangosDebian | http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/322239_richest04.html?source=mypi |
| 06:23.34 | MangosDebian | of course stock markets and fluctuating currency change that overnight. but still :) |
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| 06:24.29 | julian_demarchi | ahhh thats how he got ahead, go the stock market. |
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| 06:26.02 | witless | usb stick install - fail. |
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| 06:29.46 | Guerin | i'm just puzzled as to why anyone would care |
| 06:29.59 | Guerin | you know |
| 06:30.10 | Guerin | why people concern themselves with famous people, in general |
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| 06:30.56 | rati | how to genrate SYN flood for testing purpose |
| 06:31.09 | Guerin | rati: ask in #123 |
| 06:31.11 | Kevin` | rati packit or another program |
| 06:31.48 | Guerin | in this case `testing purpose' is `i want to be a skr1p7 k1DD13 but I'm too lame |
| 06:31.50 | Guerin | ' |
| 06:32.10 | Kevin` | you never know. i've had to ask that question before :) |
| 06:32.31 | Guerin | !iyhtays |
| 06:32.31 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 06:32.50 | MangosDebian | rati: if you knew what a SYN packet was, you would know how easy it is to test that |
| 06:32.55 | Kevin` | don't be silly. the alternative is writing your own, which is annoying |
| 06:33.08 | Guerin | Kevin`: no. The alternative is using google. |
| 06:33.24 | Guerin | Kevin`: or reading the documentation to an IDS tester, of which several exist. |
| 06:34.06 | Kevin` | Guerin googling for it finds me a mailing list post of someone asking for it :) |
| 06:34.22 | Guerin | google harder ;) |
| 06:34.22 | xushi | just to make sure, the minimal install cd is called the netinst.iso , right ? |
| 06:34.39 | Guerin | xushi: that's not minimal mut it's quite small |
| 06:34.58 | Kevin` | Guerin big brother won't like me then |
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| 06:35.06 | xushi | thanks |
| 06:35.12 | Guerin | Kevin`: tell your dad |
| 06:35.25 | Kevin` | tell him what |
| 06:35.26 | hiyah | is there a command to insert a line "xhost +" just before "exit 0" in /etc/rc.local? i need to add it in a script |
| 06:35.45 | Guerin | !xhost |
| 06:35.45 | dpkg | i heard xhost is EVIL! Ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about "sshx", or "nolisten" if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. use sux instead of su |
| 06:35.55 | Guerin | hiyah: you don't need xhost. |
| 06:36.32 | Kevin` | hiyah it's practices like that that keep the kiddies in business =p |
| 06:37.10 | Guerin | Kevin`: and like telling people without two clues to rub together how to generate a SYN flood |
| 06:37.21 | hiyah | what? |
| 06:38.04 | Guerin | hiyah: what what? |
| 06:38.22 | hiyah | why do u guys talk in your own world? did i ask about if i need xhost? |
| 06:38.40 | rossMoHaX | I'm trying to setup mini debian on usb stick. I use custom kernel config. No initrd. When kernel boots it see my usb stick fine, but no sd* asigment take place =( last string is USB Mass Storage support registreed, before it there is info that new high speed USB device found and "scsi0 : SCSI Emulation for USB Mass Storage devices". What else I shoul check in menuconfig to be able to see USB stick at boot time? |
| 06:38.41 | Guerin | hiyah: you don't. No point in asking. |
| 06:39.06 | Kevin` | hiyah heh, this is irc, get used to having silly questions questioned. "ed" could probably do what you want |
| 06:39.07 | rati | Guerin: is there any tool to genrate SYN flood and SYN spoof |
| 06:39.13 | Guerin | rati: yes. |
| 06:39.19 | hiyah | weird pple here.. my question is to ask if there is a command to insert a line, not asking if i need xhost or not |
| 06:39.26 | MangosDebian | hiyah: perhaps its the fact that the command you mention has the look of a script kiddies attempt to automate a weakening of someones X install |
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| 06:39.38 | Kevin` | rati probably looked at my program and thought it needed too much reading to work? ;p |
| 06:39.41 | Guerin | hiyah: there are several ways of doing that. /msg dpkg bootmisc |
| 06:39.46 | hiyah | and pple here starts to say "oohh u don't need xhost xhost is bad for u..here's a slap..kid" wtf? weird |
| 06:39.53 | rati | what are those tools ??? |
| 06:40.37 | Guerin | hiyah: it's not weird, it's sensible. xhost is bad, you shouldn't use it. You might think you're clever and 1337 enough that the insecurity isn't an issue, but if you're seriously considering using xhost, chances are you're not. Advice is a public service. |
| 06:40.49 | MangosDebian | hiyah: sounds more like your trying to be some sleezebag by trojaning someones install with a command that has serious security implications |
| 06:40.58 | Guerin | !fgi rati how+to+generate+syn+flood |
| 06:40.58 | dpkg | rati: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=how+to+generate+syn+flood |
| 06:41.06 | Kevin` | especially 'xhost +', allowing every host in the world to observe your X sessions |
| 06:41.31 | Kevin` | I suspect sed could also do what you want, but I don't know sed well |
| 06:41.53 | Kevin` | obviously a little script could, but that's annoying for simple tasks |
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| 06:42.18 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 06:42.30 | Guerin | sed is a text manipulation language |
| 06:42.36 | Guerin | nothing to do with boot-time commmands |
| 06:42.41 | Kevin` | .. |
| 06:43.01 | Kevin` | so you need a boot-time command manipulation program to insert a line into text? |
| 06:44.03 | Guerin | i gtet the feeling he doesn't so much want help editing a file as in knowing what file to edit, and how |
| 06:44.03 | rossMoHaX | how to build initrd for custom kernel? |
| 06:44.11 | Guerin | rati: man mkinitrd |
| 06:44.20 | MangosDebian | Guerin: initramfs plz |
| 06:44.22 | Guerin | rati: easiest way is to have make-kpkg do it at build time |
| 06:44.23 | Kevin` | Guerin he said exactly what file he wanted to edit |
| 06:44.32 | Guerin | MangosDebian: not what he asked for |
| 06:44.44 | MangosDebian | Guerin: yes it is :) |
| 06:44.51 | Guerin | Kevin`: oh, right you are |
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| 06:44.53 | MangosDebian | initrd depreciated by many tools |
| 06:45.11 | MangosDebian | plus initramfs has better hook/scripts setup |
| 06:45.39 | Guerin | ZOMG |
| 06:45.42 | Kevin` | initrd and initramfs really should have the same scripts, the usage is so similar.. |
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| 06:46.13 | Kevin` | except for destruction and some special cases |
| 06:48.29 | hiyah | i'm installing mplayer for serval workstations to be able to stream videos out from the server that's why i needed xhost for them..wtf is with the assumption that im trying to be sleezebag by trojaning? |
| 06:48.42 | hiyah | seriously, forget it. i regret asking |
| 06:49.03 | Kevin` | hiyah vlc is designed for streaming media |
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| 06:49.32 | Kevin` | or mplayer on a network share or stream |
| 06:49.39 | Kevin` | will be much faster then using X directly |
| 06:49.55 | Kevin` | and sound works |
| 06:49.57 | Guerin | hiyah: it's just precautionary. |
| 06:50.40 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:50.59 | Kevin` | probably completely ignored the useful suggestions :) |
| 06:51.00 | Guerin | singaporeans, once again rivalling israelis for the most twattish IRC users |
| 06:51.11 | Kevin` | as well as my actual answers to his first question |
| 06:51.23 | Kevin` | well, that's irc for you :) |
| 06:51.41 | MangosDebian | the fact that it took him 20 minutes to reply gives me doubts |
| 06:51.53 | Kevin` | openembedded takes forever to compile :/ |
| 06:52.04 | Guerin | well, there's the remote possibility he was actually doing some work |
| 06:52.25 | Guerin | i tend to agree that mplayer remotely over x is braindead - I tried a similar thing once and it was abysmal |
| 06:52.31 | MangosDebian | "Hi, can you point me to some kegs of gun powder, a box of nails and some lead pipes? WTF! I make my own shells and need to build a bathroom!" |
| 06:52.32 | Guerin | though I was using xdmcp |
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| 06:52.53 | Kevin` | see, if he would have asked that in the first place, he would have gotten 15 ways to do it properly |
| 06:52.53 | Guerin | MangosDebian: heh |
| 06:53.09 | Kevin` | now he's going to spend a week writing a program to do it the stupid way and find out it doesn't work :D |
| 06:53.13 | rossMoHaX | How to build init rd for custom kernel which is NOT loaded on build muchine? |
| 06:53.15 | Guerin | there's a hard way to do anything |
| 06:53.48 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: update-initramfs |
| 06:54.05 | Kevin` | rossMoHaX why do you need an initrd or initramfs for a custom kernel? |
| 06:54.07 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: you can specify kernel to built for with "-k <ver>" |
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| 06:54.41 | grew | why does my ifdown eth1 command return Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device eth1 ; Operation not supported. |
| 06:54.44 | MangosDebian | Kevin`: encrypted fs's would be one example. init script needs to ask for password |
| 06:54.49 | Guerin | wow, that's heaps easier than mkinitrd |
| 06:54.50 | grew | when ifup eth1 works just fine |
| 06:55.08 | Kevin` | Magilla yes, it would, but I doubt he's doing it, he's probably doing it because the distro did it, like so many people before.. |
| 06:55.08 | MangosDebian | Guerin? |
| 06:55.16 | arooni | im on ubuntu... but im having massive problems getting my nvidia twinview working. would you folks have any expertise with xorg config files and the nvidia-settings application? |
| 06:55.21 | Guerin | grew: you have some option set which isn't allowed, or it's trying to set it so on down |
| 06:55.25 | arooni | i already asked in #ubuntu |
| 06:55.32 | arooni | and they don't know whats going on |
| 06:55.38 | arooni | with thsi specific problem |
| 06:55.38 | Guerin | grew: i came across this with my ralink wireless card, but it's harmless as far as I figure |
| 06:55.56 | Guerin | arooni: we'll be happy to help you install debian. |
| 06:56.01 | Kevin` | grew does ifconfig whatever down work? |
| 06:56.10 | arooni | hehe |
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| 06:57.04 | dvs01 | how do i prevent kernel messages from appearing in the terminal? "Message from syslogd@deimos at Wed Jul 4 02:43:58 2007 ..." |
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| 06:57.25 | MangosDebian | dvs01: /etc/defaults/klogd, "-c 5" |
| 06:57.43 | mesut | hello,ive 15 identical pcs,and will install etch on them (same install). is there a way to clone or something like ? |
| 06:57.43 | Kevin` | no, that's different.. why is it writing to him? |
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| 06:57.59 | MangosDebian | dvs01: well, where 5 = a lvl lower than message you recieved. but for msg's, try "msg n" |
| 06:58.09 | Kevin` | mesg n * |
| 06:58.10 | MangosDebian | or is it biff n |
| 06:58.11 | julian_demarchi | Nesut: use ghost4linux |
| 06:58.19 | MangosDebian | Kevin`: oops, thanks |
| 06:58.20 | julian_demarchi | or partimage i think the package is called |
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| 06:58.29 | mesut | julian_demarchi, ty |
| 06:58.41 | julian_demarchi | nesut: NP |
| 06:58.49 | Kevin` | I think ghost4linux is a simplistic program that uses raw copies |
| 06:58.58 | Kevin` | has the saving grace of a gui ;p |
| 06:59.07 | Kevin` | or has it improved recently |
| 06:59.15 | julian_demarchi | Unsure if it has sorry. |
| 06:59.22 | mesut | julian_demarchi, why insisting nesut instead of mesut ? |
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| 06:59.42 | dvs01 | thanks MangosDebian |
| 06:59.42 | Kevin` | mesut http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 07:00.02 | MangosDebian | dvs01: which one solved it btw? |
| 07:00.04 | julian_demarchi | lol, did not see the M thought it was a N lol |
| 07:00.12 | dvs01 | MangosDebian: mesg didnt, but editing the file did |
| 07:00.20 | dvs01 | its /etc/default tho, not /etc/defaults |
| 07:00.22 | mesut | hehe Judgen_ |
| 07:00.26 | mesut | oops julian_demarchi * |
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| 07:00.31 | Kevin` | mesut in your place, I would probably use a tar file and a little script to install things, though |
| 07:00.39 | mesut | Kevin`, thanks,but taking image will be easier/faster i guess |
| 07:00.39 | MangosDebian | dvs01: ahh. theres also "biff n" which is specific to email notification. |
| 07:00.49 | Kevin` | faster? no. easier? yes |
| 07:00.57 | dvs01 | ah |
| 07:01.09 | Kevin` | images are large and inneficient when you don't need an image |
| 07:01.25 | MangosDebian | dvs01: hard to say nowadays, so many ways to put stuff on your screen ;) |
| 07:01.29 | julian_demarchi | but for that amount of machines it would be perfect |
| 07:01.33 | dvs01 | hehe yea |
| 07:01.59 | rossMoHaX | Kevin`, because even If I compile everything related to USB Mass storage in kernel, it still doesn't able to boot - it seems it simply doesn't wait until sda created, and reports that couldn't mount root |
| 07:02.01 | mesut | Kevin`, it wont be large i guess, less than 1gb of disk is used. |
| 07:02.27 | witless | debian sarge custom isntaller 2.6.20 - fail. |
| 07:02.44 | Kevin` | how long would it take to netboot a kernel+init script which partitions the disk, does wget -O - http://server/root.tgz |tar x; grub-install --root-directory=blah /dev/hda |
| 07:02.46 | Kevin` | :) |
| 07:02.55 | mesut | lol |
| 07:02.58 | julian_demarchi | :) lol |
| 07:03.08 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: is your usb fs crypted? or just standard? |
| 07:03.21 | rossMoHaX | MangosDebian, standart |
| 07:03.30 | Kevin` | rossMoHaX your correct there. it's possible to have the kernel wait several seconds before mounting the root device, though, which might work for oyu |
| 07:03.31 | witless | etch installer - fail. |
| 07:03.40 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: debian initrd's should wait for rootfs by default. and soon as the usb gets loaded it proceeds |
| 07:03.40 | witless | usb stick installer - fail. |
| 07:04.07 | squidly | what's the command to have apt-get configure xorg for me? |
| 07:04.28 | Kevin` | witless ? |
| 07:04.56 | Kevin` | !drxx |
| 07:04.56 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 07:05.43 | witless | Kevin`: "no common cdrom found" with debian-etch and debian sarge custom (2.6.20) installers. "boot error" with usb stick installer. |
| 07:05.48 | squidly | Kevin`: thanks |
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| 07:06.18 | MangosDebian | Kevin`: you only need the extra delay for cryption. normally it waits until you put in the usb for rootfs btw |
| 07:06.43 | Kevin` | it bieng the kernel or a script |
| 07:06.46 | Kevin` | I mean without the script |
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| 07:06.51 | MangosDebian | and thats only cause cryptsetup gets called in the initramfs local-top section |
| 07:07.06 | rossMoHaX | Kevin`, MangosDebian : so I could compile custom kernel with make-kpkg, then install it on build system (but do not boot under it) and then build initrd with update-initramfs -k all? |
| 07:07.23 | Kevin` | witless is the controller your cdrom is attached to in some way non-standard? |
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| 07:07.42 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: well, when you install the package i think update-initramfs gets triggered, but ya sounds pretty decent |
| 07:08.09 | Kevin` | witless can you boot anything? |
| 07:08.15 | Kevin` | witless knoppix perhaps? |
| 07:08.24 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: if anything, you will have problems if you use /dev/sda and you have another device plugged in. Usually better to mount by uuid or label |
| 07:09.11 | MangosDebian | unfortunately ive only had the joy of learning initrd's + usb this last few days. but its been good so far |
| 07:09.26 | MangosDebian | so forgive if some steps are inaccurate |
| 07:09.28 | rossMoHaX | MangosDebian, could I use lables it grub.conf? |
| 07:10.23 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: im pretty sure you can pass a label to root. but i went with uuid for boot |
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| 07:11.16 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: i use /dev/mapper/rootfs, which gets mapped to my crypt fs though |
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| 07:12.11 | witless | Kevin`: the cdrom is connected to the single ide connector on the intel DG965WH motherboard. there is a sata drive attached to the first sata controller. there is an old promise ide raid controller configured in ide mode. there is a 3ware 4-port raid5 array in it. one memory slot has a 512mb stick in it |
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| 07:12.52 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: if you can get the uuid of the fs though, you should be able to use something like /dev/disk/by-{id,label,uuid} |
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| 07:13.09 | Kevin` | does knoppix boot, witless ? |
| 07:13.11 | rossMoHaX | Kevin` : update-initramfs -cv -k 'all' doesn't see my custom kernel =( |
| 07:13.22 | witless | Kevin`: no idea - i don't have t |
| 07:13.46 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: is it in /boot? |
| 07:13.48 | rossMoHaX | MangosDebian, thx for info, uuid will be next step, now it will be good if I just be able to boot =) |
| 07:14.44 | Guerin | rossMoHaX: did you build your kernel using make-kpkg (and if not, why not?) |
| 07:14.58 | MangosDebian | i think he said he did Guerin |
| 07:15.06 | rossMoHaX | MangosDebian, yes. it has version 2.6.18 - maybe thats the problem? |
| 07:15.10 | Guerin | i've been in the steamroom |
| 07:15.12 | rossMoHaX | Guerin, yes, make-kpkg |
| 07:15.16 | Guerin | rossMoHaX: cool. |
| 07:15.41 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: the version shouldnt matter. it should spit out an error and redisplay the help though. by default it wont replace it unless you force it |
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| 07:15.52 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: -t is takeover which is basically force |
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| 07:17.35 | rossMoHaX | MangosDebian, initramfs -vc -k '2.6.18' works. =) thx. but why initramfs -vc -k 'all' doesnt? |
| 07:17.54 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: maybe the ''? |
| 07:18.31 | MangosDebian | although i cant see how considering thats bash interrepting that |
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| 07:19.58 | roxy_ | I can see character from unicode in emacs and web but not with pdf. (I produced on my machine). What should I add to see it ? |
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| 07:23.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've got an external USB hard drive with ext3. Lately, when I try to mount it, mount starts using 100% of the CPU and has to be kill -9-ed. |
| 07:24.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone give me a hand with it? |
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| 07:26.41 | Gigantic | Dark_Apostrophe: check what dmsg say |
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| 07:26.53 | wolaoye | i want to provide online video-based tutorial. is there a ready-made program for this? |
| 07:26.59 | Gigantic | Dark_Apostrophe: maybe somthing is wrong with the drivers or the device itself |
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| 07:27.45 | Gigantic | wolaoye: you can make flash anim of VNC or use 'recordmydesktop' |
| 07:27.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | Gigantic: http://paste.debian.net/31956 |
| 07:27.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | Gigantic: dmesg ^ |
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| 07:29.06 | wolaoye | Gigantic, yeah, i use recordmydesk. but is this case, i am talking about realtime online video with data, say, document, on the same screen. |
| 07:29.25 | Gigantic | Dark_Apostrophe: o.O That's it? |
| 07:29.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah |
| 07:29.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | Nothing useful whatsoever |
| 07:29.45 | Gigantic | Dark_Apostrophe: *nod |
| 07:30.04 | Gigantic | wolaoye: you can broadcast trough VLC or Xine |
| 07:30.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Gigantic: What do I do? |
| 07:31.04 | Gigantic | Dark_Apostrophe: I am thinking in a madness: lsmod | grep ehci_hcd |
| 07:31.12 | Gigantic | Dark_Apostrophe: it's there? |
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| 07:31.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | ehci_hcd 37900 0 |
| 07:31.34 | Gigantic | Dark_Apostrophe: modprobe -r ehci_hcd |
| 07:31.39 | Gigantic | Dark_Apostrophe: and remount |
| 07:31.50 | Gigantic | Dark_Apostrophe: err: recconnect |
| 07:31.56 | Gigantic | phisically |
| 07:32.38 | wolaoye | Gigantic, say i want to couch someone on a certain subject. program like skype would allow both of us to talk face to face. what i can't figure out is how to have to the same material, docs, images... appear on both screens for discussion. |
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| 07:33.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Gigantic: Ok, reconnected - do I remount too? |
| 07:33.09 | Gigantic | wolaoye: vnc or rdesktop then |
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| 07:33.24 | Gigantic | Dark_Apostrophe: if hal is not installed, yes |
| 07:33.27 | beasty_ | is the gosa package broken on debian ? |
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| 07:33.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | Gigantic: I think Hal is installed, but it didn't seem to do anything |
| 07:33.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | Dammit, there it goes using 100% CPU again |
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| 07:34.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | kill -9 again? |
| 07:34.06 | Gigantic | Dark_Apostrophe: Well I mean any hot/coldplug and such |
| 07:34.15 | wolaoye | Gigantic, vnc would allow me control his screen. would he still be able to control it too? |
| 07:34.22 | Gigantic | Dark_Apostrophe: modprobe ehci_hcd |
| 07:34.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Still 100% |
| 07:34.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Gigantic: Do I kill -9 it? |
| 07:35.17 | Gigantic | wolaoye: of couse... you want to take complete possession of the poor guy! |
| 07:35.24 | Gigantic | Dark_Apostrophe: just run modprobe ehci_hcd |
| 07:35.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | I did |
| 07:35.36 | Gigantic | Dark_Apostrophe: to fix what we break |
| 07:35.48 | Gigantic | Dark_Apostrophe: well my friend... |
| 07:35.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's still using 100% |
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| 07:36.03 | Gigantic | Dark_Apostrophe: I have no freaking idean what's going on :) |
| 07:36.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | I killed it. |
| 07:36.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | I hope the disk isn't damaged, cause it has lots of stuff I don't wanna lose :( |
| 07:36.35 | Gigantic | Dark_Apostrophe: maybe another usb port, maybe test with another Linux version just to see if the same happen (live cd) |
| 07:36.36 | wolaoye | Gigantic, no really, sometimes I would want him to input data too. |
| 07:36.43 | Gigantic | Dark_Apostrophe: dunno |
| 07:36.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hmm... :( |
| 07:37.32 | Gigantic | wolaoye: no, it is shared or nothing, there's nothing that allow you to do that |
| 07:38.05 | Gigantic | wolaoye: you can just tell the guy to keep the hands in the head :p |
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| 07:38.59 | Gigantic | wolaoye: or maybe you can activate/deactivate the keyboard |
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| 07:39.40 | Abhilash | if i have to choose between ubuntu and debian for a server.. which one i should go? |
| 07:39.53 | Gigantic | wolaoye: unless what you mean is like a remote twin screen... |
| 07:40.01 | Abhilash | i know ubuntu is based on debian.. stilll then |
| 07:40.39 | streuner | Abhilash: what kind of answer do you expect in #debian? |
| 07:40.47 | Gigantic | !ubuntu |
| 07:40.47 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu - See also <based on debian caveats>. |
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| 07:41.38 | wolaoye | Gigantic, i don't know the correct terms to use, but I know what i want. I know a site which has a video of two persons, one couching the other to learn a language. |
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| 07:42.00 | Gigantic | wolaoye: link? |
| 07:42.11 | wolaoye | Gigantic, hang on. |
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| 07:42.18 | Abhilash | i want to chooser a server which wil host svn, smptp server and apache |
| 07:42.54 | samesame | is it possible to install debian etch on a usb pendrive, or would it be better to use a dedicated distro for the task? |
| 07:42.57 | Gigantic | Abhilash: All major Linux version do it |
| 07:43.26 | Gigantic | Abhilash: Look at the philosophy of the distro and use the one that fits you better. Everything else is vanity |
| 07:43.28 | Abhilash | i want fairly ease of use |
| 07:43.28 | Kevin` | Abhilash I recommand debian |
| 07:43.35 | wolaoye | Gigantic, here it is: http://www.hellomandarin.com/program/program-google.html?gclid=CIm9gbzRi40CFQQRYwod_3HApA |
| 07:43.35 | Kevin` | ;p |
| 07:43.37 | mosty | samesame, it's possible. probably easier to use knoppix, because of the hardware autodetection |
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| 07:45.11 | samesame | i found a good site with lots of info regarding distros and USB pen drives |
| 07:45.12 | samesame | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ |
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| 07:45.54 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 07:45.59 | mosty | are there any video chat software for linux that is compatible with ichat or whatever they use on osx? |
| 07:46.08 | DukeDrake | what's command for checking of memory again? |
| 07:46.16 | samesame | mem ? |
| 07:46.23 | rumpl | free -m |
| 07:47.12 | DukeDrake | ah |
| 07:47.18 | Gigantic | wolaoye: It's a custom application. But it seem to be basic technology. just vnc/rdesktop in the right and videoconference in the left |
| 07:47.23 | DukeDrake | (mem doesn't work) |
| 07:47.36 | dimir | Moin moin moin! |
| 07:47.47 | Gigantic | wolaoye: Dunno about any software tho. But you can just use vnc and skype :) |
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| 07:49.28 | Gigantic | wolaoye: If you have the money, someone can make one :) |
| 07:50.26 | wolaoye | Gigantic, you in this sort of business? |
| 07:50.54 | Gigantic | wolaoye: Well, no... not exactly |
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| 07:51.12 | wolaoye | Gigantic, you know Mandarin? |
| 07:51.12 | Gigantic | wolaoye: But does not seem too complicated |
| 07:51.55 | wolaoye | Gigantic, you are right. it uses existing tech in a composite way. skype and vnc should do the trick. thks. |
| 07:52.10 | Gigantic | wolaoye: This is the only mandarin I know: http://www.educa.madrid.org/web/cp.garciamarquez.getafe/Imagenes/Mandarina.jpg |
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| 07:53.08 | Gigantic | wolaoye: here's one way: |
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| 07:54.44 | wolaoye | Gigantic, :D. You have a good sense of humor. |
| 07:55.18 | Abhilash | to install debian, how many cds i need? |
| 07:55.28 | SlayerXP | abchirk: zero. |
| 07:55.32 | SlayerXP | err |
| 07:55.35 | SlayerXP | Abhilash: zero. |
| 07:55.59 | Abhilash | i want to download the iso images |
| 07:56.09 | SlayerXP | Abhilash: okay, you have our permission to do so. |
| 07:56.24 | Abhilash | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/jigdo-cd/ |
| 07:56.27 | mosty | Abhilash, just get the first one |
| 07:57.01 | Abhilash | mosty, the i can issue aptget for the files i need? |
| 07:57.20 | Abhilash | *then |
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| 07:57.33 | mosty | Abhilash, get the netinstall iso if that's what you want |
| 07:58.04 | Abhilash | ok |
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| 07:58.49 | rossMoHaX | MangosDebian, Kevin` : initrd really waits for root. My problem is solved, thanks to both of us =) |
| 07:59.11 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: gratz |
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| 07:59.38 | P4W3R | hi |
| 07:59.47 | P4W3R | what is the command to compile a single module? |
| 08:00.00 | P4W3R | of the kernel |
| 08:00.24 | rossMoHaX | MangosDebian, I should use UUID to avoid situations when my stick becames not sda? |
| 08:00.24 | mosty | P4W3R, look in the makefile |
| 08:00.47 | P4W3R | no the module is in the kernel source |
| 08:01.01 | P4W3R | module-assistant does? |
| 08:01.05 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: up to you. good way to avoid it in the furture |
| 08:01.10 | Abhilash | mosty, debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso .. is that the one for net install? |
| 08:01.16 | P4W3R | i do not want to compile the entire kernel |
| 08:01.26 | rossMoHaX | MangosDebian, but in grub in devices.map there is (hd0) /dev/sda |
| 08:01.27 | squidly | where does one go to clean out the downloaded packages? |
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| 08:01.49 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: erase the map file and it should detect on each boot iirc |
| 08:01.54 | streuner | squidly: apt-get (auto)clean |
| 08:01.59 | squidly | streuner: thanks |
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| 08:02.25 | rossMoHaX | MangosDebian, you suppose even in such low level UUID will work? |
| 08:02.30 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: basically just leave out the root (hdX,X) part in grub and it will use the device you booted from to find kernel/initrd |
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| 08:03.20 | zu22 | squidly: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 08:03.44 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: just add another grub entry to test calling it with UUID. when you get it working, erase the old one |
| 08:03.58 | mosty | Abhilash, what do you think the netinstall in that filename means? |
| 08:04.02 | squidly | zu22: the clean did just fine.. though that is good ifo |
| 08:04.16 | MangosDebian | rossMoHaX: when you boot, if there are problems, you usually get a buybox shell to poke around with and check /dev names |
| 08:04.27 | rossMoHaX | MangosDebian, !you should change your nick to linuxpedia =) |
| 08:04.34 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 08:04.55 | MangosDebian | i would, but i will have forgetton all this by next week again |
| 08:05.27 | rossMoHaX | I've seen many grub howto's but never seen info that I could miss root (hd0) in menu.lst |
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| 08:06.01 | MangosDebian | cause most grub howto's assume a static install on a hd. try using a cdrom with that ;) |
| 08:07.04 | Abhilash | mosty, fine |
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| 08:09.07 | P4W3R | anybody knows how to compile a single kernel module, not the entire kernel? |
| 08:09.39 | mosty | P4W3R, see the makefile in the directory |
| 08:09.41 | wols | the time you asked this you could have compiled all modules already :) |
| 08:09.57 | zu22 | wols: lol |
| 08:10.02 | samesame | P4W3R: the solution is in here: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/index.en.html |
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| 08:10.34 | P4W3R | thank you |
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| 08:15.34 | samesame | does anybody know the name of a server hosting company what beging with 'g' they are cheap but i cant remember the full name |
| 08:15.41 | samesame | *begins |
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| 08:16.06 | MangosDebian | samesame: well that sure narrows it down... |
| 08:16.25 | samesame | gu* |
| 08:16.31 | samesame | they got a nice website |
| 08:16.37 | MangosDebian | samesame: well that sure narrows it down... |
| 08:16.44 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 08:16.57 | Gigantic | samesame: cheap like in sucks or cheap like in low price :) |
| 08:17.17 | samesame | low price |
| 08:17.30 | samesame | the website has a light yellow background with green bits |
| 08:17.37 | samesame | nice layout |
| 08:17.42 | MangosDebian | what about cheap as in like your mom? :) |
| 08:17.48 | samesame | o_0 |
| 08:17.54 | MangosDebian | thats a whole other class of sites lol |
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| 08:18.22 | MangosDebian | sorry, couldnt resist ;) |
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| 08:18.28 | Gigantic | go daddy? |
| 08:18.31 | samesame | no |
| 08:18.38 | samesame | im sure its gu* something |
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| 08:19.32 | Gigantic | samesame: at least remember the country or something? |
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| 08:19.39 | samesame | i think its US based |
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| 08:21.20 | snowgirl | Good morning |
| 08:21.48 | snowgirl | The debian stable version needs a kernel newer that debian oldstable. right? |
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| 08:21.58 | Guerin | samesame: gandi.net |
| 08:22.11 | wols | snowgirl: yes |
| 08:22.21 | Guerin | âŹ12/year, and you actually get to retain ownership of the name |
| 08:22.22 | samesame | not gandi |
| 08:22.26 | Guerin | unlike fucking evil godaddy |
| 08:22.31 | P4W3R | answer was: make modules snd/ppc |
| 08:22.37 | wols | Guerin: gandi is a DNS provider. no hoster |
| 08:22.37 | P4W3R | or any other directory |
| 08:22.43 | wols | registrar |
| 08:22.51 | Guerin | wols: they're a registrar and dns host |
| 08:23.06 | wols | Guerin: they don't do server hosting tho |
| 08:23.30 | wols | snowgirl: debian oldstable has 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 and stable has 2.6.18 |
| 08:24.09 | Guerin | nope, that they don't |
| 08:24.19 | Guerin | but neither does godaddy |
| 08:24.33 | Gigantic | samesame: www.hostsearch.com |
| 08:24.41 | snowgirl | wols that means that it is unpossible to update a vserver, right? |
| 08:24.46 | snowgirl | upgrade not update |
| 08:24.50 | Guerin | nothing i s unpssible |
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| 08:25.11 | Gigantic | Guerin: except that word |
| 08:25.20 | Guerin | snowgirl: until the host updates the host kernel, you probably can't run the new one |
| 08:25.27 | Guerin | Gigantic: it's perfectly cromulent! |
| 08:25.47 | Gigantic | Guerin: srue! |
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| 08:26.24 | snowgirl | guerin is it possible to check which kernel is running at the host? |
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| 08:26.47 | Gigantic | snowgirl: uname -a |
| 08:26.51 | Exy | hrm, is there any way to have KDE sort the applications in the KDE menu by name? They seem utterly random :/ |
| 08:27.30 | Gigantic | Exy: it's by category, ask here: #kde |
| 08:27.30 | snowgirl | 2.6.9-023stab044.1-smp #1 SMP Sat May 5 12:04:40 MSD 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 08:28.31 | Guerin | ISTR stable requiring 2.6.10 |
| 08:28.33 | snowgirl | The support toldme that they aren't advised to update the kernel from oldstable to stable |
| 08:28.39 | snowgirl | but i don't know why |
| 08:28.41 | Guerin | snowgirl: ask your host why they're running such an old kernel |
| 08:28.55 | Guerin | snowgirl: well, do what they told you |
| 08:28.59 | snowgirl | Guerin it's server4you |
| 08:29.00 | samesame | its not a web server company more of a dedicated server and VPS company |
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| 08:30.23 | Gigantic | samesame: did you look in the link I sent? |
| 08:30.35 | anapivirtua | Hi world |
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| 08:31.05 | samesame | Gigantic: yes that was more to do with web hosting companies |
| 08:31.21 | samesame | somone from this room originally recommeneded it to me |
| 08:31.33 | samesame | they been using it for years, but i again forgot who that was too :( |
| 08:31.34 | Gigantic | anapivirtua: Hello france! |
| 08:31.38 | Stonekeeper | hi all. I'll confess, I'm a debian noob. However, I'll be installing etch today. Can anyone tell me how long security updates will be available for etch? thanks! |
| 08:31.51 | anapivirtua | Gigantic, Hi :] |
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| 08:34.00 | shortcake | ok |
| 08:34.12 | shortcake | what repositories do i want.. |
| 08:34.17 | shortcake | i need to install k3b |
| 08:35.10 | shortcake | or if someone with a good source list would like to upload the text that would rock.. |
| 08:35.47 | Gigantic | isn't k3b in the default sources.list ? |
| 08:35.51 | tarzeau | Gigantic: yes it is |
| 08:36.13 | shortcake | i have them all commented out |
| 08:36.33 | shortcake | i'm on an experimental distro |
| 08:36.51 | Gigantic | mmm |
| 08:37.07 | Penix | !cluebat shortcake |
| 08:37.28 | tarzeau | shortcake: which is called what? |
| 08:37.31 | shortcake | i just need to know of good sources all the other distros people go "don't get shit from that repository!" or "get this in the sources" |
| 08:37.31 | tarzeau | shortcake: is it debian or not? |
| 08:37.41 | shortcake | xubuntu buts it's funky |
| 08:37.44 | tarzeau | shortcake: only use debian.org repositories or your own |
| 08:37.47 | shortcake | shit |
| 08:37.55 | tarzeau | shortcake: it's not debian |
| 08:37.59 | shortcake | i typed in the wrong server window |
| 08:38.02 | shortcake | sorry |
| 08:38.14 | shortcake | i'm running 2 distros side by side |
| 08:38.23 | shortcake | compairing them |
| 08:38.30 | Gigantic | !ubuntu |
| 08:38.30 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu - See also <based on debian caveats>. |
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| 08:38.38 | shortcake | i know |
| 08:38.41 | Gigantic | I'm getting tired of that... |
| 08:38.43 | shortcake | it was an accident |
| 08:39.07 | shortcake | i'm in ubuntu |
| 08:39.10 | shortcake | and debian |
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| 08:45.30 | geo-rge | looking to do audio file format conversion... example, wav -> mp3... what are the available tools? |
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| 08:46.46 | Gigantic | geo-rge: lame |
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| 08:47.00 | Gigantic | geo-rge: mencoder, vlc, xine,... |
| 08:47.24 | geo-rge | thanks :) |
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| 08:47.42 | geo-rge | can I set the mp3 quality with any/all of those? |
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| 08:47.59 | Gigantic | geo-rge: sure but why not to take a look to ogg |
| 08:48.13 | Gigantic | instead of mp3 |
| 08:48.31 | geo-rge | the player I got doesn't do oggs |
| 08:49.00 | Gigantic | geo-rge: replace it! |
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| 08:49.36 | Gigantic | geo-rge: all iPods support it and most other portable. Mac trough Quicktime does, and don't say about Linux |
| 08:50.09 | Gigantic | geo-rge: I dunno about Win mediaplayer but all other good media players for Win do |
| 08:50.13 | fireba11 | Gigantic: tried playing an ogg on iPod shuffle ? :-) |
| 08:50.28 | Exy | Why would want an iPod shuffle anyway |
| 08:50.31 | Exy | *Who |
| 08:50.42 | fireba11 | Exy: i do |
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| 08:50.59 | Gigantic | fireba11: not in a shuffle but in regular pods work fine... |
| 08:51.13 | geo-rge | ipods make you use itunes instead of the -reasonable- mount / cp solution |
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| 08:51.40 | Gigantic | iAudio are pretty nice tho |
| 08:51.43 | geo-rge | the player cost me 40 bux, it has a voice recorder |
| 08:51.48 | Gigantic | geo-rge: there's Rockbox |
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| 08:52.02 | geo-rge | what's lamed? |
| 08:52.04 | Gigantic | geo-rge: http://www.rockbox.org/ |
| 08:52.20 | Gigantic | geo-rge: man -f lame |
| 08:52.30 | samesame | i found it |
| 08:52.35 | samesame | it wasnt G after it!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:52.36 | samesame | http://rimuhosting.com/ |
| 08:53.02 | Gigantic | ah, yes |
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| 08:53.29 | Gigantic | samesame: not that cheap tho |
| 08:53.38 | geo-rge | lamed has something to do wit tex |
| 08:53.40 | samesame | but good customer service |
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| 08:54.47 | Gigantic | samesame: I can sell you space in my VMware :p |
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| 08:54.59 | ttl_work | greetings |
| 08:55.00 | Gigantic | samesame: you'd be a happy Cx |
| 08:55.20 | ttl_work | is there a support channel for evince? |
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| 08:55.39 | ttl_work | i have a few pdf files which do not open in evince |
| 08:56.04 | Serge_K | Hi debianers:) |
| 08:56.13 | edistar | ttl_work: thats normal.. |
| 08:56.21 | tarzeau | ttl_work: report a bug ? |
| 08:56.24 | edistar | Serge_K: hello debianer ;) |
| 08:56.28 | ttl_work | hi Serge_K |
| 08:56.37 | Gigantic | ttl_work: use xpdf or kpdf or gs better |
| 08:56.44 | metbsd | how do i untar a bunch of tgz? |
| 08:56.49 | tarzeau | ttl_work: there's a support channel for gnome software in general |
| 08:56.55 | Gigantic | ttl_work: if even so you can't then it'll need Acrobat |
| 08:57.07 | edistar | tarzeau: is evince gnome software? |
| 08:57.08 | ttl_work | ok thanks |
| 08:57.14 | tarzeau | edistar: isn't it? |
| 08:57.30 | Gigantic | google say so |
| 08:57.42 | edistar | tarzeau: I don't know, I thought it was gtk.. not gnome ;) but I might be confused now :P |
| 08:57.44 | tarzeau | edistar: yes from apt-cache show evince | grep gnome looking at that it is |
| 08:57.56 | tarzeau | edistar: if it was only gtk it wouldn't use gnome libraries |
| 08:58.04 | edistar | okey :) |
| 08:58.43 | Gigantic | samesame: I was using connectria.com |
| 08:58.46 | edistar | anyone here done anything with openembedded? cause I get errors with apt when I try to install things from their reop |
| 08:58.50 | edistar | repo |
| 08:59.05 | Stonekeeper | anyone know of a samb/ldap tutorial for etch? |
| 08:59.20 | edistar | but why is there evince for the maemo platform then? |
| 08:59.57 | Gigantic | samesame: till the patriot act, now a couple of friends and I setup a custom real server |
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| 09:04.12 | edistar | Gigantic: doesn't taste good, does it? |
| 09:04.33 | AbsintheSyringe | guys I installed all possible codecs, and again whatever I play whetver wmv or mov or 3gp or anything I keep saying this black screen |
| 09:04.40 | Gigantic | edistar: but helps me to shut up |
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| 09:04.44 | edistar | Gigantic: ah |
| 09:04.57 | edistar | Gigantic: but why? |
| 09:05.40 | West_ | metbsd, "tar -xf filename.tgz" |
| 09:05.45 | Gigantic | edistar: 'casue I'm sleepy and son't want to say something stupid |
| 09:05.45 | Serge_K_ | AbsintheSyringe: first you have to use mplayer.. next you have to install w32codecs.. then it'll go ok |
| 09:05.56 | metbsd | how do i untar a BUNCH of tgz? |
| 09:06.10 | siimo | hi can someone tell me how to set up a reiserfs partition so that the files on it are owned by anyone that mounts it |
| 09:06.47 | metbsd | siimo, you can't |
| 09:07.11 | siimo | metbsd: user,exec,owner doesnt work? |
| 09:07.14 | edistar | metbsd: what kind of bunch? |
| 09:07.23 | metbsd | .tgz |
| 09:07.26 | Gigantic | metbsd: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFAQ#head-590f0a3ee41da32fb949a23423096437367343b0 |
| 09:07.49 | Gigantic | metbsd: pipe the output to tar xzvf |
| 09:08.16 | Gigantic | metbsd: or if you have good processor just use a wildcard :) |
| 09:08.51 | siimo | metbsd: so i need to change the owner of the mount point so that user has rw access? |
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| 09:09.11 | Gigantic | siimo: set user in fstab |
| 09:09.19 | metbsd | file rw, permission, owner, are written on files, not mount point |
| 09:09.48 | Gigantic | but I think you mean the root of the partition right? |
| 09:10.09 | metbsd | you can set who to mount the partition |
| 09:10.16 | metbsd | but it won't change attibutes in those files |
| 09:10.33 | metbsd | unless you manually change them |
| 09:10.41 | metbsd | with chmod, chown,chgrp |
| 09:10.51 | siimo | ok |
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| 09:11.14 | edistar | hey Serge_K ;) |
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| 09:17.20 | Gigantic | !quotd0 |
| 09:17.26 | Gigantic | !qotd0 |
| 09:17.26 | dpkg | methinks qotd105 is bob2: rexec makes baby jesus cry |
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| 09:18.13 | juice` | what was the address of the site, that had all previous versions of packages ? |
| 09:18.56 | AbsintheSyringe | ok I did everything I was suppoused and still all I see is black screen |
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| 09:25.28 | Gigantic | heh :) somebody has read the ntop faqs? :D |
| 09:25.34 | Gigantic | funny... |
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| 09:31.44 | juice` | what is the address of the site, that had all previous versions of packages ? |
| 09:32.58 | edistar | I had a repo in my sources.list that was somehow not good.. now I keep on getting errors when I install anything with apt... how can I remove these packages from the apt's memory that it doesn't always try to install them? |
| 09:33.10 | edistar | I have removed it from the sources.list already |
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| 09:33.45 | quasisane | juice`: archive.debian.org |
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| 09:34.02 | MangosDebian | zomfg, the dvd's i downloaded suck! Not a SINGLE ONE has a signed Release file, wtf |
| 09:34.32 | snowgirl | Can anybody tell me what the program iog is for? |
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| 09:35.02 | quasisane | juice`: at least that has all prior releases |
| 09:35.03 | edistar | snowgirl: http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/iog |
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| 09:36.07 | edistar | I get dependancy errors.. how can I just cancel the installation? :( |
| 09:36.18 | wols | it cancels itself basically :) |
| 09:37.05 | edistar | wols: well, but it keeps on trying everytime I do an apt-get upgrade or an apt-get install [anything] |
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| 09:41.44 | Exy | Is there any way to stop this from happening in KDE? (pointless sub-menus) : http://winehq.atomnet.co.uk/bluemenu.png . #kde says it's a Debian issue as it shouldn't happen by default |
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| 09:44.00 | valdyn | Exy: those menus are autogenerated. |
| 09:44.22 | valdyn | Exy: and they're not 'adjusted' when you have to few packages installed for the submenu to make sense |
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| 09:44.48 | wols | edistar: /msg dpkg bat |
| 09:44.48 | metrics | Hi all...is anyone noticing strange 'pauses' on sid? Basically, the mouse locks up and everything stops. Seems to only happen when I have kde apps running. |
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| 09:45.06 | GreaseMonkey | gonna sleep, gnight |
| 09:45.18 | Exy | valdyn, Where is it generated? |
| 09:45.23 | valdyn | Exy: what you can do is file a bug report against bluefish, suggesting a better place in the menu hierarchy |
| 09:45.51 | Exy | valdyn, God knows how many apps (like 30 or 40) are all in these annoying damn submenus |
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| 09:46.12 | wols | edistar: debconf. apt-cache show menu |
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| 09:46.32 | wols | edistar: any app you install will be put in one |
| 09:46.45 | wols | and while it may annoy you, it's also a good thing(tm) |
| 09:46.53 | Exy | wols, I assume you're trying to talk to me? |
| 09:47.01 | wols | doh. yes |
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| 09:47.16 | valdyn | Exy: those submenus are the same , no matter if you have 100 or 10000 packages installed |
| 09:47.30 | Exy | wols, No, things annoying me is not a good thing at all, I have stress issues and stupid fucking icon placement does not help |
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| 09:47.40 | Exy | Excuse my French |
| 09:47.42 | valdyn | Exy: sure what's good for others may not be your ideal - so beside filing a bug report, you can make your own menu |
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| 09:48.14 | Exy | valdyn, If you change any stuff in the KDE menu it doesn't auto-sort them by name anymore meaning it creates another crappy issue |
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| 09:48.45 | rmrfchik | is Daniel Burrows here? |
| 09:49.08 | valdyn | Exy: 'sorting' is done by whoever maintains the menu. That's a script right now, i think |
| 09:49.48 | Exy | Why are these desktop envs so crap... seriously, it's like they try and think up loads of annoying little things to piss people off |
| 09:50.02 | valdyn | Exy: i do agree that the kde menu sucks, the one of gnome is nice - go ahead suggest a solution etc.. |
| 09:50.05 | wols | Exy: stop your whining |
| 09:50.40 | valdyn | Exy: that has nothing at all to do with the 'desktop env' its the policy of specifically the kde maintainer group |
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| 09:51.45 | valdyn | Exy: the gnome team maintains an extra menu called 'Debian' with all those submenus, and a flat one, quite similar to gnome's default menu, i guess |
| 09:51.53 | Exy | valdyn, Thats the thing, the Gnome menu is nice but Nautilus sucks (no set icon sizes, no sort to grid, lacking features, etc). KDEs menu sucks and Konq/Desktop thing works well but SVG rendering sucks. Gnome panels lose formatting easily and KDE ones stick but KDE menus are screwy, etc. I can't find one I like because they both have too many annoying issues. |
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| 09:52.10 | Exy | valdyn, The Debian one is mainly for stuff that has no proper home |
| 09:52.22 | valdyn | Exy: no, the Debian one is for everything |
| 09:52.42 | valdyn | Exy: you should see all stuff in the other menus appear a 2nd time in the debian menu |
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| 09:52.52 | Exy | Ah yes, didn't look at it again since I first installed because I don't like it, heh |
| 09:53.42 | valdyn | Exy: every properly support 'app' that offers such a menu has that 'Debian' menu. Just not kde |
| 09:54.11 | Exy | ... right |
| 09:54.23 | valdyn | Exy: kde maintainer chose the way you see... so - go ahead ask them to change it |
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| 09:54.40 | Exy | I'm sure they'll do that just for me... |
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| 09:55.08 | valdyn | Exy: that's how debian works. They always do something 'just for one' bug report |
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| 09:55.30 | Exy | valdyn, I have outstanding bugs for years or whatever, I can't say I have faith in the process |
| 09:55.46 | valdyn | Exy: makes me wonder why you use debian then |
| 09:55.55 | huhmz | What is a good tool to make disk images of a box and restore them via pxe? |
| 09:56.06 | valdyn | Exy: ( my own experience with bug handling is more than decent ) |
| 09:56.11 | wols | huhmz: dd? |
| 09:56.30 | Exy | valdyn, Because I've yet to find one which does have decent bug handling to be honest, Ubuntu's ones get responded to faster but that's about it |
| 09:56.41 | huhmz | wols: something i don't have to spend 5 days researching and writing scripts to do |
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| 09:56.59 | wols | dd is a tool to make an exact image |
| 09:57.01 | wols | of whatever |
| 09:57.14 | wols | dd if=file of=file. done |
| 09:57.18 | valdyn | Exy: maybe its just related to the 'type' of bugs you report. There's the thing that you cant accomodate everyone's wishes |
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| 09:58.07 | Exy | valdyn, Well I was referring to actual bugs, I think a request like this has zero chance of anyone ever looking at it, well, at least in the timeframe before I go insane having to use it |
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| 10:01.41 | WP-Gast856 | why |
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| 10:03.53 | Exy | wols, WP-Gast856 is either a bot or troll, he just says why every time someone talks, he's doing it in #kde too |
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| 10:04.30 | WP-Gast856 | Exy sucks |
| 10:08.20 | Exy | !ops WP-Gast856 Is probably a bot and is joining random channels saying "Why?" over and over then picks out a random name of someone speaking or being spoken to saying "<whoever> sucks" |
| 10:08.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: exy complains about: WP-Gast856 Is probably a bot and is joining random channels saying "Why?" over and over then picks out a random name of someone speaking or being spoken to saying "<whoever> sucks" |
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| 10:10.30 | g0rd0n | hello. debian etch doesn't recognize nvidia raids. fine. bought a third hd to use for linux experiments etc. installed debian on the whole hd, the whole disk for himself... it instsalled grub, i rebooted. pc DEAD. no signs of life after BIOS post! i'm starting to get frustrated... sarge didn't recognize my net controllers, i hoped etch would work fine dammit! :( |
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| 10:11.01 | peterS | WP-Gast856: /msg me if Exy is full of crap and you actually have an alternate side of the story to tell |
| 10:11.42 | quasisane | WP-Gast856 just did the same over in #haskell, and got booted |
| 10:11.44 | Gigantic | ah, now I remember... do you know of a good opensource firewall for Windows? |
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| 10:12.03 | roland_ | hey im having a problem with my soundcard |
| 10:12.12 | Exy | But hey, what do I know |
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| 10:12.24 | roland_ | localhost:/home/roland# alsamixer |
| 10:12.24 | roland_ | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 10:12.48 | peterS | quasisane: *nod*. booting isn't needed in this sort of case, I don't mind if bots _idle_, so long as they can't _talk_. unless they happen to gather nicks so they can spam them in /query. that type of bot, we actually do kill on sight |
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| 10:13.59 | harpal | any one has used l2tpns |
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| 10:14.24 | AA|ZeZInArms | visik7: buongiorno |
| 10:14.39 | visik7 | ? |
| 10:15.05 | AA|ZeZInArms | visik7: dove sei? |
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| 10:15.18 | Mashuuk | Hi, which filesystem is the fastest one ? |
| 10:15.38 | cydork | !fs comparison |
| 10:15.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 10:15.47 | valdyn | g0rd0n: you installed grub to the first disk, and your bios is trying to boot from its fakeraid |
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| 10:16.01 | valdyn | g0rd0n: that _has_ _to_ break things.. pebkac |
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| 10:18.20 | g0rd0n | valdyn: no, i set up the bios to boot from the disk! not the raid |
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| 10:21.30 | Stonekeeper | wow. I'm getting: "fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied" for user root, when root _owns_ it! any ideas? |
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| 10:24.00 | korhojoa | 'lo there |
| 10:24.11 | korhojoa | anyone give me an example program to compile to test out distcc ? |
| 10:24.16 | MangosDebian | can someone verify the fingerprint of gpg key ID 88C7C1F7 for me please? |
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| 10:25.00 | cast | it's AC65 6D79 E362 32CF 77BB B0E8 7C3B 7970 88C7 C1F7 but..isn't the key signed by some master debian key? |
| 10:25.17 | NetEcho | anyone think lenny is fairly stable? |
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| 10:25.36 | chemist | trtr |
| 10:25.44 | NetEcho | I've been using etc since it was in testing |
| 10:25.45 | cast | NetEcho: windows users, probably ubuntu users too |
| 10:25.46 | MangosDebian | cast: thanks, matches. not sure which other key might sign it yes |
| 10:25.49 | MangosDebian | yet* |
| 10:25.51 | NetEcho | haven't updated stuff in ages |
| 10:26.04 | NetEcho | cast what are you talking about? |
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| 10:26.16 | cast | MangosDebian: keep in mind i only got it off subkeys.pgp.net too :P |
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| 10:27.02 | MangosDebian | cast: true, but at least i dont have to worry about some network virii altering my key in transit, unless we both have the same attacker on our network |
| 10:27.11 | NetEcho | lenny is fairly stable for experienced users correct? |
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| 10:27.52 | MangosDebian | cast: i assume your USA? Im canada here, so unless our governments are in cahoots I think I can bump the trust level up one on that key |
| 10:27.54 | cast | NetEcho: if you are asking you are not an experienced user and thus how is it relevent! i found testing to be stable |
| 10:27.58 | cast | au. |
| 10:28.02 | cast | keyserver is probably i the US |
| 10:28.12 | NetEcho | cast you're being quite the elitest |
| 10:28.15 | MangosDebian | even better. i grabbed mine from keyring.debian.org |
| 10:28.16 | NetEcho | I haven't touched debian in some times |
| 10:28.22 | mosty | i just installed wengophone, but there's no wengophone binary or manpage, or anything besides a changelog in /usr/share/doc/wengophone/ - how the hell do i start this thing? ;) |
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| 10:28.41 | wols | mosty: dpkg -L <packagename> | grep bin |
| 10:28.45 | NetEcho | I guess since you're not willing to render a relevant oppinion you can keep your comments to yourself |
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| 10:28.50 | NetEcho | -p |
| 10:29.29 | mosty | wols, that's going into my book of tricks- thanks |
| 10:29.37 | wols | NetEcho: have fun getting answers. or will you only want answers you like? |
| 10:30.04 | NetEcho | wols I would like relevant answers |
| 10:30.12 | NetEcho | such as I don't believe lenny is stable for use yet or I do belive |
| 10:30.25 | wols | it is NOT stable. it's testing duh! |
| 10:30.32 | NetEcho | I'll probably end up doing a dist-upgrade anyway |
| 10:30.41 | wols | and if you really knew about debian you wouldn't have to ask |
| 10:30.43 | NetEcho | etch was testing but it worked like a charm |
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| 10:30.48 | MangosDebian | cast: realistically though, it wouldnt be hard to grep the tcp stack for any/all occurences of that fingerprint as well and swap them with the fake one in case someone tries what I just did. But I dont feel the need to ask you to split it up and scramble the order just to verify a tad more :) |
| 10:30.56 | NetEcho | thats the thing as I said I haven't touched debian in a while |
| 10:30.58 | wols | NetEcho: your questions betray how inexperienced you are |
| 10:31.06 | NetEcho | been mostly following slackware development lately |
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| 10:31.17 | cast | MangosDebian: i think we should just work out the keyid of the key that signs all the dd keys, if there is one. |
| 10:31.22 | ssss | hi |
| 10:31.37 | ssss | !nvidia one-liner |
| 10:31.37 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
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| 10:32.26 | valdyn | NetEcho: slackware mostly just ships bleeding edge upstream releases. Debian is a distro with a _very_ different demand on quality on packages. Testing should be quite stable enough |
| 10:32.35 | MangosDebian | cast: well, i only show 3 keys on my fresh install via apt-key list. If its going to be one of them, its probably ADB11277 or 6070D3A1 |
| 10:32.40 | chronographer | hello. I have a small problem with my digital camera on feisty... I asked them to help but they wont. Can someone suggest a reason f-spot will import fiels from my Ricoh as empty, but correctly named image files? |
| 10:32.48 | NetEcho | thankyou valdyn thats all I was asking for |
| 10:33.11 | NetEcho | so lenny is being handled the same way as etch with almost daily updates? |
| 10:33.16 | wols | chronographer: we won't either. see topic |
| 10:33.24 | cast | NetEcho: you notice the paradox...if testing was stable it would be stable....so you've asked a question where the answer is pretty arbitrary, how would you like to define stable? :) |
| 10:33.34 | chronographer | =) |
| 10:33.36 | h3sp4wn | NetEcho: historically slackware has not shipped bleeding edge (only this one release) |
| 10:33.45 | chronographer | it was worth a try.. thanks anyway |
| 10:33.53 | valdyn | NetEcho: testing is the 'prepare' stage of the new stable, codemaned lenny, same as the previous etch |
| 10:33.54 | NetEcho | I meant stable in the sense where everything doesn't seem to conflict with everything else |
| 10:34.08 | NetEcho | not stable as in every package has been tested and patched for a proper release |
| 10:34.27 | NetEcho | how long has lenny been out valdyn? |
| 10:34.40 | valdyn | NetEcho: hmm? |
| 10:34.47 | mike1o | I interrupted an ongoing package installation... now ive got dependency problems caused by this error: "/var/lib/dpkg/info/tetex-bin.postinst: line 948: /usr/share/tex-common/tetex-bin-upgrade: No such file or directory" |
| 10:34.48 | NetEcho | h3sp4wn yea slackware is usualy behind |
| 10:34.54 | valdyn | NetEcho: lenny changes constantly, its out since etch is released, as always |
| 10:35.02 | NetEcho | valdyn I mean to say how long has it been the new test distro? |
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| 10:35.11 | siimo | hi is vlc not available in lenny |
| 10:35.15 | NetEcho | yea I don't know when etch was released |
| 10:35.23 | valdyn | !etch |
| 10:35.23 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
| 10:35.28 | NetEcho | tx |
| 10:36.08 | valdyn | h3sp4wn: 11 and 12 |
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| 10:36.35 | ssss | bye |
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| 10:37.56 | ironfroggy | I'm trying to test my MTA, and the logs look fine trying to send a test email to my gmail address, i get " Message accepted for delivery" and "OK" messages in the logs. yet, its been 10 minutes and i still dont see it in my inbox. |
| 10:38.07 | h3sp4wn | valdyn: I wouldn't call 2.4.33 - xorg 6.9 / glibc 2.3.6 bleeding edge (xorg 7 and glibc 2.4 was at least released then) |
| 10:38.29 | ironfroggy | could i be missing something or might it just take longer than i thought to get the mail out? |
| 10:38.46 | valdyn | h3sp4wn: yea, conservative with the kernel |
| 10:38.59 | valdyn | h3sp4wn: the xorg version is only a packaging thing though |
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| 10:39.50 | h3sp4wn | Yeah (No idea whether 7.1 was out then though) |
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| 10:39.58 | ssss | hi again |
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| 10:40.52 | valdyn | ironfroggy: i thought the logs told you that they already are out |
| 10:41.06 | valdyn | ironfroggy: sending mail goes almost instantly by default |
| 10:41.28 | valdyn | ironfroggy: gmail may be slow though, or you might be reading the wrong log |
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| 10:42.47 | ssss | could anyone tell me how can i check that i have (or no) graphical acceleration? i've installed drivers using debian's way |
| 10:43.06 | valdyn | ssss: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 10:43.07 | ssss | glxinfo | grep direct doesn't work |
| 10:43.09 | ssss | aaa |
| 10:43.14 | ssss | :P |
| 10:43.15 | mike1o | ssss, try running google earth |
| 10:43.42 | wols | ssss: /msg pdkg doesn't work |
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| 10:43.59 | ssss | valdyn : glxinfo : command not found |
| 10:44.11 | valdyn | ssss: apt-get install mesa-utils |
| 10:44.18 | wols | ssss: /msg dpkg installit |
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| 10:45.12 | eifzon | how can i get my hddtemp/cpu temp on my desktop? |
| 10:45.34 | wols | lm-sensors is loaded and working? |
| 10:45.35 | ssss | valdyn : thanx, it works :P |
| 10:45.45 | Stonekeeper | hi what's the name of that utility to auto create packages when you run "make". It's auto-something I'm sure.... |
| 10:45.47 | ssss | see ya all :P |
| 10:45.52 | eifzon | wols: lm-sensors is already the newest version. |
| 10:45.57 | eifzon | wols: how do i "activate" it? |
| 10:46.02 | siimo | any idea when this will reenter testing http://packages.qa.debian.org/v/vlc.html |
| 10:46.08 | wols | sensors-detect for example |
| 10:46.21 | wols | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 10:46.21 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
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| 10:47.19 | siimo | god thats huge dependency breakages |
| 10:47.24 | eifzon | siimo: i have done that |
| 10:47.52 | siimo | eifzon: ? |
| 10:48.37 | eifzon | wols: i have done the sensors-detect |
| 10:48.42 | eifzon | siimo: sorry for teh highlight |
| 10:49.07 | wols | eifzon: use somethng like gkrellm or conky then to display the values |
| 10:49.15 | eifzon | wols: |
| 10:49.20 | eifzon | what one doo you recommend? :) |
| 10:49.31 | wols | none |
| 10:50.10 | cydork | eifzon: conky! |
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| 10:50.40 | eifzon | cydork: ok |
| 10:50.47 | Tenkawa | quick q.. how can you force apt to ignore cascading dependencies on an apt-get remove? |
| 10:50.51 | eifzon | cydork: how can i configure my conky |
| 10:51.04 | cydork | Tenkawa: you don't. |
| 10:51.15 | mosty | Tenkawa, wouldn't that leave the installed packages in an inconsistent state? |
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| 10:51.23 | Tenkawa | cydork: I have a scenario where I need to... |
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| 10:51.39 | cydork | eifzon: man conky :) |
| 10:51.42 | Tenkawa | mosty: well I'm replacing the packages that are being removed.. but with tweaked versions |
| 10:51.59 | cydork | Tenkawa: tweaked versions? |
| 10:52.01 | Tenkawa | and mysql(the ones in question) definitely have a cascading effect |
| 10:52.23 | mike1o | I am unable to remove the package lmodern, it says: "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 does not exist or is not a directory" how can I force it? |
| 10:52.41 | ironfroggy | valdyn: would /var/log/mail.log right or wrong? |
| 10:53.00 | wols | ironfroggy: right |
| 10:53.05 | mosty | Tenkawa, how are you replacing these packages? |
| 10:53.06 | cydork | Tenkawa: i think you want equivs |
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| 10:53.32 | Tenkawa | ok.. I think I know an alternate method.. thanks all |
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| 10:53.38 | valdyn | ironfroggy: /var/log/exim4/ |
| 10:53.39 | ironfroggy | well the thing still hasnt' shown up at gmail :-/ |
| 10:53.48 | valdyn | ironfroggy: or are you not using exim4? |
| 10:54.08 | cydork | efaistos: also conky project site had some interesting configurations. |
| 10:54.16 | eifzon | cydork: i cant see cpu temp with conky? |
| 10:54.30 | cydork | eifzon: yes |
| 10:54.34 | eifzon | how? |
| 10:54.59 | ironfroggy | i think its exim 3, but i checked those logs (/var/log/exim/mainlog) and i see the mail getting out as well |
| 10:55.17 | ironfroggy | if i send to my address on the local system (not just the username, but actually with the domain) it goes through instantly. |
| 10:55.32 | ironfroggy | when i sign up for services it never takes this long for gmail to get the registration email |
| 10:55.48 | cydork | eifzon: check /usr/share/doc/conky/examples/conkyrc.sample.gz |
| 10:55.58 | raqamy | how to restart bind? |
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| 10:56.22 | petemc | raqamy: /etc/init.d/bind9 restart , or if you just want zone files updated rndc reload |
| 10:56.34 | raqamy | petemc, thanks |
| 10:56.37 | petemc | np |
| 10:56.40 | Noborusan | anyone is still awake ? |
| 10:56.51 | eifzon | cydork: didnt find the option for it there |
| 10:57.53 | Noborusan | hi petemc,are you peterS ? |
| 10:58.01 | ironfroggy | uh oh! gmail thinks im spamming me! |
| 10:58.07 | petemc | no, peterS is peterS , im petemc |
| 10:58.29 | Noborusan | oh,sorry |
| 10:58.32 | petemc | s'ok |
| 10:58.41 | petemc | i get highlights for him all the time |
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| 10:59.19 | cydork | eifzon: man conky search for acpitemp |
| 10:59.21 | Scurz | hi |
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| 10:59.47 | shanky | good morning |
| 11:00.08 | eifzon | cydork: ok i see |
| 11:00.10 | eifzon | cydork: how do i edit it |
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| 11:00.50 | Scurz | I have this error message '2007/07/04-12:59:01 CONNECT TCP Peer: "127.0.0.1:38081" Local: "127.0.0.1:4949"', what to make please ? I have no idea... |
| 11:00.53 | shanky | I'm trying to build a sort of metapackage, just to define which packages to install/uninstall and make some configurations |
| 11:01.12 | cydork | eifzon: edit .conkyrc |
| 11:01.23 | valdyn | Scurz: why would that be an error? |
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| 11:01.51 | eifzon | cydork: where shall i add the option? |
| 11:01.53 | shanky | I have used dh_make to create the propers debian/* files |
| 11:02.51 | cast | Scurz: thats munin-node isn't it? could be a little less descriptive |
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| 11:03.32 | shanky | but when I try to debuid it, I get this error message: |
| 11:03.52 | shanky | dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot read files list file: |
| 11:04.11 | Scurz | cast: yes |
| 11:04.37 | cast | Scurz: and is that an error message? |
| 11:04.39 | cydork | eifzon: add something like ${color lightgrey}CPU Temp:${color #cc2222} $acpitemp% after TEXT |
| 11:05.03 | shanky | it suppose to be because I don't have debian/files, but even creating it, it fails |
| 11:05.06 | cydork | eifzon: check the man page. and as i said the site has some good examples. |
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| 11:05.26 | Scurz | cast: this message appaers in the logs /var/log/munin/munin-node.log |
| 11:05.51 | Scurz | appears* |
| 11:06.21 | cast | Scurz: ok. so it appears in a log. that doesn't make it an error message, munin is just logging when it gets polled |
| 11:06.36 | Scurz | cast: on accout of this message, i can't to use munin |
| 11:07.03 | Scurz | cast: ok |
| 11:07.05 | cast | Scurz: i have serveral hundred of those messages, they are not error messages |
| 11:07.15 | Scurz | cast: ah okay |
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| 11:07.27 | cast | Scurz: you can telnet localhost 4949 to make sure munin-node is functioning correctly |
| 11:07.39 | geo-rge | scurz: that doesn't look like an error message... |
| 11:07.50 | Scurz | geo-rge: okok |
| 11:08.18 | Scurz | cast: yes http://paste.debian.net/31958 |
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| 11:09.25 | cast | Scurz: and type something in the telnet session, it has help. |
| 11:09.31 | cast | Scurz: is pretty intuitive |
| 11:10.30 | Scurz | cast: but I have no graphic with munin, they don't make themselves |
| 11:11.05 | eifzon | anyone here using gkrellm ? |
| 11:11.13 | Scurz | http://munin.projects.linpro.no/wiki/Debugging_Munin_plugins |
| 11:11.20 | cast | Scurz: when you have a problem you should state it at the beginning, not the end ;) |
| 11:11.39 | geo-rge | Scurz: that output looks good |
| 11:11.56 | Scurz | cast: ok, sorry ;) |
| 11:12.00 | Arafangion | What's a decent WM that automatically maximizes your windows or otherwise arranges your windows "nicely" automatically? |
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| 11:12.26 | Gigantic | 'nice' is subjective |
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| 11:12.34 | Arafangion | Gigantic: I know :( |
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| 11:12.53 | Gigantic | try Enlightenment and kwin |
| 11:13.02 | geo-rge | Arafangion: consequently... you will have to try lotsa wms |
| 11:13.12 | Arafangion | Gigantic: Hence the use of *indicates a wierd signal with his hands* "quotation marks". |
| 11:14.04 | geo-rge | well... so you're defining that term for yourself... so, you'll have to be the one to determine a wm that satisfies your criteria :) |
| 11:14.19 | geo-rge | it's not difficult, just install them and try em out |
| 11:14.22 | Scurz | cast, geo-rge : I don't succeed has to solve the problem |
| 11:14.25 | Arafangion | geo-rge: Well, I can't be bothered to install xmonad, I'm disastified with fluxbox, gnome is definetly too slow, ion is too damn wierd (and I've got a mouse, why can't I use it if I want to?), I don't like windowmaker, don't like fvwm... |
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| 11:14.43 | Gigantic | Arafangion: just do apt-get install * :p |
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| 11:14.50 | Gigantic | Arafangion: and try 'em all |
| 11:15.08 | efaistos | cydork: ?? |
| 11:15.12 | Arafangion | geo-rge: E16, I liked for quite a while, though - I might end up installing that again, but looking for something else. :( |
| 11:15.19 | geo-rge | Arafangion: better you than me :) |
| 11:15.23 | Gigantic | !beer to cast |
| 11:15.24 | Arafangion | Gigantic: That's like looking for a needle in a haystack! |
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| 11:15.54 | geo-rge | !beer to for six eight |
| 11:15.55 | cydork | efaistos: baah that comment was for eifzon, sorry! |
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| 11:16.10 | efaistos | ah ok np |
| 11:16.13 | Gigantic | Arafangion: you'll tell me terhe's something else you have to do? |
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| 11:17.06 | Gigantic | ... eh, yah... |
| 11:17.10 | Arafangion | Gigantic: there is, indeed :( |
| 11:17.17 | geo-rge | Scurz: ok, so now you're looking for why that is |
| 11:18.37 | Scurz | geo-rge: I have no idea |
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| 11:20.21 | Scurz | geo-rge: that's why I ask you the help |
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| 11:21.11 | geo-rge | Scurz: when people face any problem, where you are ("I have no idea") is where they start, whether they just start to fix things or have been doing it for years |
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| 11:22.27 | geo-rge | I'm not necessarily saying "noone's going to help you" but I am saying "you're closer" |
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| 11:22.34 | Scurz | geo-rge: okok |
| 11:22.46 | iKernel | um. |
| 11:22.56 | geo-rge | sum. |
| 11:23.00 | iKernel | Why is the iceweasel process name still caleld firefox-bin? |
| 11:23.03 | iKernel | dum |
| 11:23.10 | geo-rge | rum! |
| 11:23.30 | geo-rge | someone forgot :) |
| 11:23.32 | iKernel | yum |
| 11:23.44 | valdyn | iKernel: its probably not necessary to change that too |
| 11:24.10 | iKernel | I would make it nessecary. |
| 11:24.25 | iKernel | Why change the name of a program if you don't even change the name of the actual program? |
| 11:24.55 | geo-rge | if you were to... |
| 11:24.58 | geo-rge | zoom out |
| 11:25.11 | iKernel | and? |
| 11:25.12 | geo-rge | and see all the packages people would work on... |
| 11:25.18 | iKernel | true |
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| 11:26.28 | geo-rge | you might see the need for certain laziness :) |
| 11:26.30 | xand | iKernel: because things rely on it being called that? |
| 11:26.48 | geo-rge | well, but then how do you go about killing the thing |
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| 11:27.20 | geo-rge | oh, you're saying things are relying on the old name |
| 11:27.27 | xand | yes |
| 11:27.31 | mikes1 | beryl is no longer |
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| 11:27.37 | xand | awww |
| 11:27.38 | geo-rge | which implies it's more work to fix |
| 11:27.39 | mikes1 | :( |
| 11:27.50 | valdyn | geo-rge: even if they just 'might' |
| 11:27.55 | inetd | wats this wmii people refering to ? |
| 11:29.02 | inetd | ahh i found it http://www.suckless.org/wiki/wmii |
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| 11:32.07 | lvh | hi |
| 11:32.17 | mikes1 | hello |
| 11:32.24 | mikes1 | From New Zealand |
| 11:32.28 | lvh | I'm trying to get grub to boot off an usb disk that has winxp on it (I know, it's not my box.) |
| 11:32.38 | lvh | mikes1: isn't it, like, evening over there? |
| 11:32.49 | lvh | mikes1: or early, depends what way you look at it ^^ |
| 11:32.53 | valdyn | lvh: where is grub? |
| 11:32.59 | valdyn | lvh: on your harddisk? |
| 11:33.02 | lvh | valdyn: (hd0,0) |
| 11:33.05 | lvh | valdyn: yes. |
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| 11:33.12 | valdyn | lvh: its probably not possible |
| 11:33.13 | geo-rge | hello... from the milky way... |
| 11:33.17 | mikes1 | lvh: 11:33 |
| 11:33.20 | mikes1 | pm |
| 11:33.27 | lvh | valdyn: the funny thing is, when im booted in debian |
| 11:33.31 | iKernel | 13:37 |
| 11:33.35 | valdyn | lvh: grub references disk via bios - and that usb disk needs to be referenced by the bios for grub to boot from it |
| 11:33.55 | iKernel | as long as your bios can handle USB it's possible right? |
| 11:34.07 | valdyn | not exactly |
| 11:34.07 | geo-rge | yeah, it worked for me |
| 11:34.11 | iKernel | most modern basic input output systems can |
| 11:34.19 | geo-rge | but I ran into a certain difficulty |
| 11:34.27 | valdyn | iKernel: but i dont actually know what the bios does with usb disks when its not supposed to boot off it |
| 11:34.32 | lvh | valdyn: yep, my thought exactly. when im booted in debian and it probes disks to pretend to be my bios, it sees (hd1,0) (ntfs partition on my usb disk) |
| 11:34.57 | lvh | valdyn: when I [e]dit that line when grub starts at boot time, it doesn't. |
| 11:35.01 | geo-rge | I have a laptop with winxp on it, and an external usb which I was going to put linux on (I did.. but, getting ahead of myself) |
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| 11:35.13 | valdyn | lvh: maybe making the usb disk 2nd in boot order will do it |
| 11:35.26 | lvh | valdyn: nope, thats even worse! |
| 11:35.33 | valdyn | lvh: but most bioses dont have a decent selection option to pick drive D: ( in dos terms ) |
| 11:35.40 | lvh | valdyn: it boots when i mount it in my laptop and pretend its my only hard drive |
| 11:35.48 | lvh | valdyn: i can pick it, but it wont boot from it |
| 11:35.49 | geo-rge | so I tried installing grub on the external drive and getting the bios to give me the one-time which-device-to-boot menu |
| 11:35.57 | lvh | valdyn: wait, no, im lying |
| 11:35.57 | geo-rge | I picked the external |
| 11:36.04 | valdyn | lvh: exactly, it'll oinly let it make you drive C:, not D:, probably |
| 11:36.19 | lvh | valdyn: if i mount the drive internally in my laptop, it boots fine |
| 11:36.27 | lvh | valdyn: if i mount it in a usb enclosure, it doesnt boot |
| 11:36.29 | geo-rge | it responded by "swapping" which drive was hd0 and which was hd1 |
| 11:36.51 | valdyn | lvh: can that laptop even boot from usb? |
| 11:36.55 | lvh | valdyn: i can ask the bios to boot from it, but I get an error message |
| 11:36.56 | shingouz | lvh: make the laptop bootorder: usb, cd, hd? |
| 11:36.56 | lvh | valdyn: yes. |
| 11:37.21 | lvh | shingouz: that doesnt fix my problem: i can't boot from usb |
| 11:37.21 | geo-rge | bad things can happen when it does that :) it ended up rewriting the partition table to the wrong drive |
| 11:37.21 | shingouz | or usb, hd for that matter |
| 11:37.21 | geo-rge | OOOOPS |
| 11:37.21 | valdyn | lvh: i would probably look into the 'smart boot manager' |
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| 11:37.21 | shingouz | lvh: that sucks |
| 11:37.24 | lvh | the bios allows it, but i cant boot from this particular disk |
| 11:37.30 | shingouz | ah |
| 11:37.31 | valdyn | lvh: that one probably has most options in that direction |
| 11:37.44 | lvh | which led me to believe the disk is broken, which is why i mounted it internally |
| 11:37.47 | lvh | and tadaa, it worked fine :( |
| 11:38.09 | lvh | i have similar behaviour on five other boxes (1 identical laptop and 4 random desktops) |
| 11:38.14 | valdyn | lvh: for instance it could boot off a cdrom when the bios doesnt even support that ( but ihavent used it for years, so no idea about usb support ) |
| 11:38.29 | lvh | which led me to believe the usb enclosure was off, so i switched usb enclosures |
| 11:38.35 | lvh | and the problem persisted |
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| 11:38.50 | lvh | which makes me sad. |
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| 11:39.20 | lvh | the usb disk right now has a 15GB ntfs partition with winxp on it, and 35 (i think) gb of unformatted, but partitioned space |
| 11:39.26 | RichiH | man will always use $PAGER to display, correct? |
| 11:39.35 | shingouz | lvh: now that you switched the enclosure, why not try another set of internals in the new enclosure? :p |
| 11:39.35 | lvh | RichiH: yes. |
| 11:39.41 | lvh | RichiH: $PAGER=hexdump for laughs |
| 11:39.47 | RichiH | heh |
| 11:39.49 | iKernel | :D |
| 11:39.51 | hermuli | does anyone happen to have any idea why i might get "connection refused" from putty any time i restart my debian etch box? i mean i can't connect after the debian box has booted up (it even says "starting sshd" on screen of the box) |
| 11:39.54 | iKernel | *does it* |
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| 11:40.18 | RichiH | ft: thanks for your input |
| 11:40.25 | geo-rge | hermuli: what are you trying to do with putty |
| 11:40.28 | RichiH | ft: i can now replace most (yay) |
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| 11:40.39 | roland_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.39 | roland_ | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 11:40.42 | roland_ | help |
| 11:40.45 | iKernel | kernel@debian:~$ $PAGER=hexdump |
| 11:40.45 | iKernel | bash: =hexdump: command not found |
| 11:40.46 | iKernel | :( |
| 11:40.53 | lvh | iKernel: learn to use bash |
| 11:40.53 | hermuli | i got windows machine + debian etch server... trying to remote control the debian |
| 11:40.58 | lvh | iKernel: PAGER=hexdump man ls |
| 11:41.02 | shingouz | hermuli: your box is configured to refuse connections on sshd, you hosts.deny or hosts.allow deny it, wrong port you are trying to connect to come first into my mind |
| 11:41.03 | iKernel | :D |
| 11:41.11 | geo-rge | $PAGER=/usr/games/chef |
| 11:41.21 | lvh | haha |
| 11:41.24 | hermuli | shingouz. thanks i'll look in to that |
| 11:41.46 | iKernel | man pages look no different to me |
| 11:41.52 | geo-rge | #!/usr/bin/cat |
| 11:42.00 | ft | RichiH: eh, no problem. :) - However I only stumbled across it while surfing the web. |
| 11:42.00 | shingouz | hermuli: of course if you have a firewall running on the debian box, even that can deny access |
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| 11:42.40 | geo-rge | or if your putty tries regular telnet for some reason |
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| 11:42.49 | lvh | ls - leest deerectury cuntunts |
| 11:43.06 | xand | !connection refused |
| 11:43.07 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 11:43.09 | hermuli | i did change hosts settings just prior to reboot... |
| 11:43.14 | lvh | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.31 | iKernel | wtf lvh |
| 11:43.42 | lvh | iKernel: PAGER=chef man ls |
| 11:43.46 | iKernel | :D |
| 11:43.48 | cast_ | as long as my connections stable i'm happy. |
| 11:44.08 | xand | !comfort cast |
| 11:44.08 | dpkg | There, there, cast. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 11:44.17 | shingouz | lvh: you can actually set the pager for chef? that is scary |
| 11:44.27 | hermuli | i guess my brain is slow after lunch... |
| 11:44.34 | lvh | shingouz: why not? |
| 11:44.45 | lvh | shingouz: you can set the pager to anything that will take stdin |
| 11:44.45 | shingouz | jfc... :) |
| 11:44.57 | lvh | shingouz: in fact, it doesnt have to, but that wouldn't be too useful |
| 11:45.00 | shingouz | but chef? scary thing |
| 11:45.08 | geo-rge | ok, jive :) |
| 11:45.14 | shingouz | borkborkbork |
| 11:45.23 | lvh | MANDA2RY ARGUMENTZ 2 LONG OPSHUNZ ARE MANDA2RY 4 SHORT OPSHUNZ |
| 11:45.24 | lvh | GAH |
| 11:45.27 | lvh | b1ff :p |
| 11:45.28 | geo-rge | or chef | jive |
| 11:45.50 | geo-rge | or chef | jive | b1ff |
| 11:46.03 | RichiH | ft: well, it still helped me :) |
| 11:46.09 | shingouz | maybe if we set the default pager to be l337 we would have more debian users... :p |
| 11:46.16 | lvh | unlikely. |
| 11:46.24 | iKernel | aaaw fuck |
| 11:46.27 | lvh | newspeak! |
| 11:46.33 | iKernel | PAGER=/dev/urandom man ls |
| 11:46.37 | iKernel | I'm gonaa try iyt |
| 11:46.41 | shingouz | heh |
| 11:46.57 | lvh | errr, i'm pretty sure you wouldnt want to execute /dev/urandom |
| 11:46.58 | iKernel | kernel@debian:~$ PAGER=/dev/urandom man ls |
| 11:46.58 | iKernel | Reformatting ls(1), please wait... |
| 11:46.58 | iKernel | man: can't execute /dev/urandom: Permission denied |
| 11:46.58 | iKernel | man: command exited with status 65280: /usr/bin/zsoelim /tmp/zmanIKkR4N | /usr/bin/tbl | /usr/bin/nroff -mandoc -rLL=121n -rLT=121n -Tutf8 | /dev/urandom |
| 11:46.58 | iKernel | man: can't remove /tmp/zmanIKkR4N: No such file or director |
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| 11:47.26 | lvh | why are you trying to execute /dev/urandom? |
| 11:47.32 | iKernel | debhelper = debnuber |
| 11:47.47 | iKernel | lvh, I don't know exactly how EVERYTHING in linux works quite yet :) |
| 11:47.53 | ft | RichiH: well, you're welcome, then. :) |
| 11:47.56 | iKernel | probably nevver will |
| 11:49.37 | hermuli | removed all entries i added to hosts and still nothing... it's a really fresh install... all i did was install openssh-server, connected with putty, changed some hosts settings (undone) and rebooted... after that no connection until i "ssh restart"... help? |
| 11:50.35 | shingouz | hermuli: does the sshd even start at boot time? |
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| 11:50.56 | geo-rge | interesting question... |
| 11:51.11 | hermuli | shingouz: yes, it says so on the screen of the box |
| 11:51.29 | shingouz | hermuli: and what does ps say about it? |
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| 11:52.14 | lvh | ffs. |
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| 11:55.18 | hermuli | err |
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| 11:56.32 | RichiH | ft :) |
| 11:56.38 | mikes1 | glxgears is not giving me fps? |
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| 11:56.52 | hermuli | shingouz: that doesn't seem to list it |
| 11:56.53 | streuner | RichiH: are you using X-Chat? |
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| 11:57.31 | shingouz | hermuli: that is why it does nto allow you to log in, it is not running. i guess you screwed with the /etc/init.d directory somehow |
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| 11:58.04 | japan | open source - shit!!! |
| 11:58.05 | japan | open source - shit!!! |
| 11:58.05 | *** kick/#debian [japan!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
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| 11:58.25 | japan | open source - shit!!! |
| 11:58.26 | hermuli | shingouz: awww... i didn't even touch it! :( |
| 11:58.27 | japan | open source - shit!!! |
| 11:58.32 | geo-rge | you evedently have no e4xperience with software |
| 11:58.33 | cydork | !ops japan is spamming |
| 11:58.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cydork complains about: japan is spamming |
| 11:58.41 | streuner | RichiH: using X-Chat, i use "raw mode streuner +i" in order to use umode +i |
| 11:58.43 | japan | open source - shit!!! |
| 11:58.45 | japan | open source - shit!!! |
| 11:58.47 | japan | open source - shit!!! |
| 11:58.49 | japan | open source - shit!!! |
| 11:58.51 | geo-rge | uhoh, hiroshima#2 |
| 11:58.52 | shingouz | hermuli: it looks like something happened to the init scripts |
| 11:58.52 | streuner | RichiH: but that doesnt work, any ideas? |
| 11:59.14 | japan | open source - shit!!! |
| 11:59.15 | japan | open source - shit!!!open source - shit!!! |
| 11:59.15 | japan | open source - shit!!! |
| 11:59.15 | *** kick/#debian [japan!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 11:59.23 | streuner | finally :-) |
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| 11:59.39 | japan | open source - shit!!! |
| 11:59.41 | shingouz | hermuli: you could try remove --purge the sshd and reinstall it. that is the easiest way for now |
| 11:59.42 | cydork | not over yet! |
| 11:59.43 | japan | open source - shit!!! |
| 11:59.45 | japan | open source - shit!!! |
| 11:59.46 | cydork | !ops japan is spamming |
| 11:59.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cydork complains about: japan is spamming |
| 12:00.04 | japan | open source - shit!!! |
| 12:00.05 | japan | open source - shit!!! |
| 12:00.06 | streuner | cydork: one time is enough.. |
| 12:00.07 | japan | open source - shit!!! |
| 12:00.11 | japan | open source - shit!!! |
| 12:00.17 | cast | streuner: but its less ironic that way |
| 12:00.19 | *** part/#debian japan (n=proprie@91.145.199.64) |
| 12:00.20 | cydork | streuner: that was mistake a :) |
| 12:00.21 | geo-rge | the spam in japan is manly... see the plan? |
| 12:00.39 | shingouz | see what using windows does to you? |
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| 12:01.20 | edg3 | how do I upgrade things? |
| 12:01.28 | geo-rge | apt-get install things |
| 12:01.36 | cydork | edg3: man aptitude/apt-get |
| 12:01.37 | edg3 | thanks |
| 12:01.41 | streuner | edg3: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 12:01.51 | dimir | LOL |
| 12:02.05 | geo-rge | WUBWUBWUBWUB! |
| 12:02.12 | geo-rge | it won't stop! |
| 12:02.20 | RichiH | cydork: thanks, i will trace him |
| 12:02.22 | korhojoa | geo-rge: why are you throwing windows at japan? |
| 12:02.29 | korhojoa | that's like the ultimate insult |
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| 12:02.40 | dimir | :-D |
| 12:02.40 | cydork | RichiH: no problem! |
| 12:02.42 | geo-rge | because japan is throwing spam at me... |
| 12:02.45 | korhojoa | :/ |
| 12:02.46 | geo-rge | and I don't like spam! |
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| 12:03.01 | korhojoa | well. how about you going over there and drinking more sake than they can take in their whole lifetime |
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| 12:03.15 | streuner | RichiH: using X-Chat, i use "raw mode streuner +i" in order to use umode +i |
| 12:03.20 | geo-rge | I'd quickly die... |
| 12:03.20 | streuner | RichiH: but that doesnt work, any ideas? |
| 12:03.22 | edg3 | No manual entry for aptitude/apt-get |
| 12:03.24 | geo-rge | can't do that :P |
| 12:03.38 | hermuli | shingouz: thanks. seems like reinstallin it helped... for now at least :P |
| 12:03.59 | RichiH | streuner: /quote mode streuner +i should work |
| 12:04.04 | RichiH | you can also try /umode +i |
| 12:04.09 | shingouz | hermuli: the next time you do "something at the host settings" be a bit more careful :) |
| 12:04.33 | hermuli | shingouz: yeah... live and learn |
| 12:04.40 | shingouz | hermuli: so very true |
| 12:04.53 | geo-rge | sake is not ineffective... |
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| 12:06.54 | streuner | RichiH: i used /umode +i, but that doesnt work either, do you think i should set it after +e or before? |
| 12:07.05 | MangosDebian | RichiH: btw, nice wallop other day about gpl3, you die hard ;p |
| 12:07.13 | RichiH | streuner: doesn't matter |
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| 12:07.42 | RichiH | MangosDebian: personally, i think gplv3 is great and we all need to adopt it |
| 12:07.44 | MangosDebian | didnt even realize you were an oper all these years actually |
| 12:07.47 | RichiH | but you can't take sides in wallops |
| 12:08.11 | MangosDebian | :) ill have to read gpl3 yet though |
| 12:08.30 | geo-rge | btw, has anyone seen the spore demo movies |
| 12:08.32 | RichiH | i am still waiting for fsf to release a colored diff |
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| 12:08.58 | MangosDebian | i wouldnt be surprised if vim had that built in ;) |
| 12:09.02 | iKernel | diffcolor |
| 12:09.07 | iKernel | colordiff* |
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| 12:10.32 | Petfrogg | trying to use the netinstall but it hangs on retriving the last file 8/8 from the cd |
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| 12:10.55 | MangosDebian | Petfrogg: try run integrity check on cd yet? |
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| 12:11.24 | Petfrogg | seems like it hangs on retrieving using a mirror to ftp.sunet.se too |
| 12:11.34 | Petfrogg | gonna give it a third try |
| 12:11.36 | Petfrogg | sorry |
| 12:11.40 | Petfrogg | Hello everyone! |
| 12:11.46 | MangosDebian | Hi! :) |
| 12:11.59 | Petfrogg | MangosDebian: i think my osx did the checking |
| 12:12.01 | geo-rge | !moo |
| 12:12.02 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 12:12.26 | MangosDebian | Petfrogg: check the syslog during install. might even be hardware related, who knows these things? |
| 12:12.34 | Petfrogg | ahh |
| 12:12.36 | Petfrogg | ofcourse |
| 12:13.14 | Petfrogg | tail ... |
| 12:13.26 | MangosDebian | Petfrogg: unfortunately, all my skills are derived from my patented vulcan mind meld when in close proximity to the troublesome hardware. I cant work it over tcp/ip yet unfortunately |
| 12:13.47 | Petfrogg | MangosDebian: ? |
| 12:13.54 | MangosDebian | just fsckin with ya ;) |
| 12:13.58 | Petfrogg | hehe |
| 12:14.14 | MangosDebian | although I did knock the roof off my building once during a brain flex ;P |
| 12:14.19 | Petfrogg | i got this 8 gb testdisk now so i wont break anything |
| 12:14.34 | Petfrogg | if someone knows hardware trouble it is me.... |
| 12:14.35 | MangosDebian | 8gb? ouch |
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| 12:14.49 | Petfrogg | i got such bad computer karma i would be illegal for me to use computers |
| 12:15.00 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 12:15.07 | MangosDebian | !karma Petfrogg |
| 12:15.07 | dpkg | petfrogg has neutral karma |
| 12:15.15 | MangosDebian | Petfrogg++ |
| 12:15.20 | Petfrogg | hehe |
| 12:15.21 | MangosDebian | !Petfrogg++ |
| 12:15.27 | geo-rge | !dogma petfrogg |
| 12:15.32 | Petfrogg | well spent loads of money getting my computer work the way it should |
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| 12:15.47 | abrotman | 8GB is fine |
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| 12:15.49 | Petfrogg | just to find out that really needs that fscking nvidia driver.. |
| 12:15.53 | Petfrogg | it is just a test disk |
| 12:16.06 | Petfrogg | i physicaly removes it when working |
| 12:16.08 | Petfrogg | making test possible |
| 12:16.11 | MangosDebian | abrotman: im not questioniing the size, just the age of that old beast |
| 12:16.14 | Petfrogg | nice to have a small one just to test stuff |
| 12:16.15 | geo-rge | Petfrogg: what else happened while you were doing that |
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| 12:16.22 | Petfrogg | ehh |
| 12:16.23 | abrotman | MangosDebian: i have a 540MB drive here :) |
| 12:16.25 | Petfrogg | you don't wanna know |
| 12:16.37 | MangosDebian | Petfrogg: thats what i keep tellin the old lady, but you think she understands? NO! |
| 12:16.47 | geo-rge | had you ever built a computer before |
| 12:16.50 | shingouz | abrotman: that is huge |
| 12:16.58 | abrotman | shingouz: that's all one drive too! |
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| 12:17.08 | Petfrogg | my set up is a Intel E6800, 4 GB ram, Nvidia 6800 (or 7300) - full VT compatible |
| 12:17.19 | shingouz | wow. for me to get the 540 i need to use several drives, abrotman |
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| 12:17.33 | MangosDebian | abrotman: how many bytes/minute you get with that old thing? |
| 12:17.34 | Petfrogg | two 24" widescreens monitors running 1920x1200 |
| 12:17.41 | abrotman | shingouz: you need a bernouli drive! |
| 12:17.52 | shingouz | abrotman: as a matter of fact i have one |
| 12:17.57 | abrotman | MangosDebian: i think it's liminted by the bus in the 486 :) |
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| 12:18.20 | MangosDebian | abrotman: lol. $5 says theres just a rotating punch card for a platter inside it |
| 12:18.27 | Petfrogg | all i want is full screen support and running xen |
| 12:18.29 | abrotman | perhaps |
| 12:18.29 | shingouz | :D |
| 12:18.40 | abrotman | Petfrogg: how does it feel to want ? |
| 12:18.49 | Petfrogg | hehe |
| 12:19.08 | Petfrogg | well i really would have liked to run NetBSD as dom0 but it is not possible due to the nvidia driver |
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| 12:19.18 | Petfrogg | Solaris can not be dom0 and use the nvidia driver |
| 12:19.31 | geo-rge | how does it want to feel? |
| 12:19.59 | Petfrogg | darn it - i am allways on the edge... |
| 12:19.59 | shingouz | i feel i want a tylenol... |
| 12:20.06 | h3sp4wn | Petfrogg: pay xensource |
| 12:20.16 | abrotman | shingouz: and a big pile of bacon ? |
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| 12:20.34 | Ronin | abrotman: bacon and eggs would be nice |
| 12:20.47 | Petfrogg | hmm lunch wouldnt be that bad |
| 12:20.51 | abrotman | Ronin: i have .. an egg .. no more bacon .. used it all to make liver :) |
| 12:20.54 | shingouz | abrotman: hmm... mmnnoo... not today. pad thai sounds better |
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| 12:23.25 | Petfrogg | hmm |
| 12:23.49 | Petfrogg | ok - why is the second mirror hanging on retrieving file 81 of 81 |
| 12:23.53 | Petfrogg | what is that last file? |
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| 12:24.36 | Petfrogg | ok - is it only me or is this a normal probleem? |
| 12:24.46 | MangosDebian | only you :) |
| 12:24.59 | Petfrogg | ahh |
| 12:25.08 | Petfrogg | can someone lift the jinx on me? |
| 12:25.22 | MangosDebian | only you can do that |
| 12:25.26 | abrotman | !bless Petfrogg |
| 12:25.26 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child Petfrogg, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 12:28.51 | wathek | hello all |
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| 12:29.48 | wathek | I've installed a wifi card on my Debian and I've to use ndiswrapper to be able to use the card, ndiswrapper could load the windows driver and everything is ok with ndiswrapper how ever when I try to do modprobe ndiswrapper it says FATAL : there nos ndiswrapper module |
| 12:30.32 | wathek | I've installed ndiswrapper with apt-get |
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| 12:31.16 | wathek | my wifi card is an rtl8185 I'm using Debian Etch with kernel 2.6.18-4 |
| 12:32.37 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 12:32.38 | dpkg | i guess ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 12:33.03 | wathek | ok |
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| 12:34.59 | Anselm | could anybody plz tell me why i cannot write with this fstab entry: /dev/sda8 /media/xchange vfat rw,nodiratime,nosuid,nodev,noexec,fmask=000,dmask=000,shortname=mixed 0 0 |
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| 12:35.22 | RichiH | Anselm: what error do you get? |
| 12:35.28 | artagnon | When I want to schedule cron jobs of apt-get update && apt-get upgrade as a nonroot user, how should I code in the password required for sudo? |
| 12:35.38 | Anselm | @Richih: I get none |
| 12:35.41 | ghatak | Hi, How can i get access to packages for Sarge? I want certain packages for sarge but I can only see listing of Stable (ETCH) on packages.debian.org |
| 12:35.41 | Anselm | i just cant write |
| 12:36.00 | xand | artagnon: you should do it as root, but not sure that's wise for apt-get upgrade. |
| 12:36.11 | xand | artagnon: apt-get upgrade is interactive |
| 12:36.17 | RichiH | Anselm: you must be root to save to fstab |
| 12:36.25 | fireba11 | ghatak: you're not supposed to mix sarge and etch |
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| 12:36.38 | artagnon | xand: hmm... what if root isn't logged on at that time? |
| 12:36.39 | Anselm | @RichiH: i do know that |
| 12:36.42 | Petfrogg | hmm and all the sudden the whole channel awoke |
| 12:36.53 | Ronin | artagnon: then you use su |
| 12:37.02 | ghatak | ghatak: i am not, my current distro is Sarge, and i want packages for it. |
| 12:37.13 | artagnon | Ronin: well, I'll have to pass the root password to su then |
| 12:37.15 | abrotman | ghatak: point your sources at sarge or oldstable |
| 12:37.17 | xand | artagnon: cron doesn't need people to be logged on... but I wouldn't run apt-get upgrade from cron anyway as it can ask you questions. |
| 12:37.37 | Anselm | @RichiH: And thats what i did but the rw isnt helping for writing |
| 12:37.38 | ghatak | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 12:37.40 | artagnon | xand: Okay, I understand |
| 12:37.40 | xand | and it could break things |
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| 12:37.52 | artagnon | xand: could you suggest alternatives? |
| 12:37.54 | nono31 | hi |
| 12:38.02 | xand | artagnon: upgrade manually :) |
| 12:38.09 | nono31 | How do i install nvidia driver on 2.6.21 sid? |
| 12:38.13 | xand | it's dangerous to do it automatically |
| 12:38.14 | artagnon | Ronin: su doesn't accept piped input |
| 12:38.50 | Petfrogg | nono31: keep me posted on that one |
| 12:38.53 | Petfrogg | i will be there soon |
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| 12:39.03 | artagnon | xand: Okay forget that task. What about other tasks that require root priviliges |
| 12:39.15 | ghatak | abrotman: ok i got another problem, curl installed on my Sarge says that it does not have ssl support when i try to access https pages. Curl is installed as debian package, i am just looking for a version which has SSL support |
| 12:39.16 | xand | artagnon: use root's crontab |
| 12:39.23 | ghatak | for Sarge |
| 12:39.42 | abrotman | ghatak: the app or the library ? |
| 12:39.42 | xand | artagnon: or the global one |
| 12:39.58 | artagnon | xand: Okay, I'd better not try stunts with sudo |
| 12:40.03 | ghatak | abrotman: app is primary preference, but if i can find libary too then that will be a plus |
| 12:40.08 | abrotman | ghatak: IIRC .. SSL requires some wacky license exemption .. maybe try wget ? |
| 12:40.34 | nono31 | There is no work around to install nvidia driver on 2.6.21? |
| 12:40.51 | abrotman | why does it need a workaround ? |
| 12:40.59 | ghatak | abrotman: I guess i will need to compile myself |
| 12:41.10 | abrotman | ghatak: that's another option |
| 12:41.11 | artagnon | xand: Okay, a third related question. What if I want to execute a command as root as a nonroot user noninteractively (ie. I don't want to wait for stdout to prompt for a password |
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| 12:41.32 | xand | why would you want to do that? |
| 12:41.35 | Noborusan | I have a question please |
| 12:41.41 | xand | ask it then, Noborusan |
| 12:41.41 | abrotman | ghatak: if it makes you feel better .. curl on etch links to libssl |
| 12:41.49 | nono31 | btw, i tried to install nvidia driver on 2.6.18-4-486 but debian package for 2.6.18, are 2.6.18-4-686 but there is no 2.6.18-4-686 kernel available |
| 12:41.51 | xand | artagnon: if it needs root access, why aren't you running it as root? |
| 12:42.01 | xand | (from cron) |
| 12:42.07 | nono31 | abrotman: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol |
| 12:42.15 | abrotman | that's normal |
| 12:42.19 | artagnon | xand: no, forget cron |
| 12:42.21 | nono31 | I get this errer when i install via m-a |
| 12:42.28 | ghatak | ghatak: hmm... would that be any good on Sarge ? |
| 12:42.30 | Noborusan | ok, before you send your server to ISP datacenter, what info you gotta know at least to let ssh work peroperly ? assume ssh is installed and configured no problem |
| 12:42.31 | ghatak | damn |
| 12:42.38 | Petfrogg | nono31: tried to just install it anyway and see what happens? |
| 12:42.40 | ghatak | abrotman: hmm... would that be any good on Sarge ? |
| 12:42.45 | Noborusan | i mean, a static IP and ... ? so that i can configure them before send |
| 12:42.49 | xand | artagnon: you don't then |
| 12:42.56 | abrotman | ghatak: you'd have to backport the package .. are you not upgrading to etch for a resason ? |
| 12:43.00 | artagnon | xand: I have this nopaste script I made for irssi. And what if it needs to execute something that requires root priviliges and then paste it? |
| 12:43.16 | nono31 | Petfrogg: it fails compiling |
| 12:43.29 | abrotman | Noborusan: your network info .. and a contact number in case it doesn't work :) |
| 12:43.30 | xand | artagnon: you can make sudo work passwordless, but it's insecure |
| 12:43.38 | xand | artagnon: there isn't a secure way of doing it. |
| 12:43.47 | ghatak | abrotman: yea lot of stuff is linked with custom code which wont work on ETCH |
| 12:43.58 | artagnon | xand: I was thinking of something like piping the password to sudo... ? |
| 12:44.07 | Petfrogg | nono31: that was strange |
| 12:44.07 | ghatak | abrotman: how do i backport it, is there a guide on it ? |
| 12:44.11 | abrotman | ghatak: oh ok .. |
| 12:44.12 | xand | artagnon: insecure... it can be accessed using ps. |
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| 12:44.19 | Petfrogg | tried to compile the nvidia source by itself? |
| 12:44.23 | abrotman | ghatak: but if you backport it .. you might mess up somehting else ? |
| 12:44.25 | artagnon | xand: ah, that's alright |
| 12:44.29 | geo-rge | ghatak: hmm, you'd have to rebuild said custom code... |
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| 12:44.33 | abrotman | !tell ghatak about simple sid backport |
| 12:44.44 | Noborusan | abrotman, here what does network info include ? |
| 12:44.46 | xand | artagnon: I doubt many programs provide the facility for that... you'd have to edit their source code |
| 12:45.07 | abrotman | Noborusan: ip/netmask/network/broadcast/gateway |
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| 12:45.13 | abrotman | Noborusan: and dns servers |
| 12:45.24 | artagnon | xand: actually I think it works ie. piping password to sudo |
| 12:45.33 | Noborusan | wait,please,without dns setup,i can still remotely ssh by ip right |
| 12:45.33 | nono31 | Petfrogg: there is no 2.6.21 already compiled kernel module, maybe because of this problem? |
| 12:46.00 | abrotman | Noborusan: sure |
| 12:46.01 | Petfrogg | hmm |
| 12:46.15 | artagnon | xand: it's only sudo I have to look at, right? Whether it supports a piped input for the password |
| 12:46.20 | Petfrogg | ok: what version is your kernel? kernelheaders installed? kernel source installed? |
| 12:46.22 | Noborusan | abrotman, okay, so in debian, how do i do the rest of thing you were talking about ? |
| 12:46.26 | xand | artagnon: I suppose |
| 12:46.35 | Noborusan | abrotman, i mean,can i do it when installing debian ? |
| 12:46.52 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 12:46.52 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 12:46.55 | Noborusan | and i do not understand that broadcast part |
| 12:46.59 | snowman | could anybody explain how to get rid of this error? postfix/smtpd warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory |
| 12:47.12 | snowman | I upgraded my system and know I cannot send mails anymore |
| 12:47.14 | FalscherHase | hi. X question: what happens if you configure a true multihead setup without xinerama. i get two seperated screens, right? how do i start programs on the second screen? |
| 12:47.21 | snowman | The saslauthd is running |
| 12:47.40 | snowman | And I found out with Google that there have been changes to debaian/sasl |
| 12:47.57 | nono31 | Petfrogg: 2.6.21-2-686 kernel headers installed |
| 12:48.01 | artagnon | xand: you know there's this time interval for which I don't have to supply the password to sudo after performing a successful sudo command.... how do I give up that special privilige? |
| 12:48.10 | nono31 | kernel source not isntalled (because using stock kern el |
| 12:48.22 | Noborusan | abrotman, okay,i will check ,thanks,by the way, will you please help me to confirm them right before i m ready to send ? to make sure ,i cannot stand by then i cannot access to my server and have to take it back haha |
| 12:48.28 | xand | artagnon: I don't know, I don't use sudo |
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| 12:48.45 | abrotman | Noborusan: uhm .. it's not that hard :) |
| 12:48.48 | artagnon | xand: what do you do then? |
| 12:48.53 | Noborusan | abrotman, Thanks |
| 12:49.00 | xand | artagnon: I use su |
| 12:49.10 | abrotman | Noborusan: there are lots of people here you can ask |
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| 12:49.18 | |chiz| | artagnon: I'm goin sure but I would guess it's in the /etc/sudoers file |
| 12:49.23 | Noborusan | okay |
| 12:49.30 | artagnon | xand: okay, thanks for all your help |
| 12:49.55 | valdyn | nono31: fix the source code or use an older kernel, stock nvidia does not compile on stock 2.6.21 |
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| 12:50.04 | artagnon | |chiz|: nope, no timeout information in the sudoers file |
| 12:50.59 | |chiz| | artagnon: did you check the man page for sudo? |
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| 12:51.29 | artagnon | nono31: you'll find this useful: http://grizach.sc18.info/nvpatch/ |
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| 12:51.54 | nono31 | valdyn: I tried to install nvidia driver on 2.6.18 stock kernel. but could no make it work. available kernel is 2.6.18-4-484 but nvidia-kernel available is 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 12:52.19 | valdyn | nono31: there should be both |
| 12:52.19 | artagnon | |chiz|: Indeed there's this "... (or whatever the timeout is set to in sudoers) ..." in the manpage |
| 12:52.26 | nono31 | there is a 2.6.18-4-486 but it is 7184 version while glx is 7185 version and it fails |
| 12:52.26 | artagnon | I should read and find out how to set the timeout |
| 12:52.42 | nono31 | valdyn: apt-cache search does not list it for me |
| 12:53.02 | valdyn | nono31: in lenny? |
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| 12:54.05 | |chiz| | artagnon: check man sudoers |
| 12:54.47 | valdyn | nono31: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=nvidia-kernel&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 12:54.51 | artagnon | |chiz|: timestamp_timeout, thanks |
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| 12:55.52 | nono31 | valdyn: sid |
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| 12:56.32 | nono31 | valdyn: nvidia has both. the veryy own kernel is not instalable as 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 12:57.02 | valdyn | nono31: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=nvidia-kernel&searchon=names&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all |
| 12:57.16 | valdyn | ah |
| 12:57.36 | valdyn | nono31: that's unstable |
| 12:58.00 | roxy_ | I can connect to a ftp server, but ls or get give: falling back to port instead of pasv, and then failed to establish connection. I tried with both ftp and ncftp, and with the -p option |
| 12:58.19 | valdyn | nono31: there's no solution in unstable |
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| 12:59.25 | valdyn | nono31: you're not even supposed to run unstable |
| 13:00.06 | valdyn | nono31: but - the etch kernel and nvidia stuff might still work fine in unstable, same for the lenny stuff |
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| 13:00.36 | nono31 | valdyn: thanks, i 'll try the nvidia patch a shot. if not I'll get 686 kernel from etch repo |
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| 13:02.36 | snowman | how can i find out chroot issues ? |
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| 13:03.42 | valdyn | snowman: by reading the error message(s) |
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| 13:04.38 | acardenas | hello |
| 13:05.17 | acardenas | i'm new in debian and when start the X the video is very bad, where can i' change the config of X ? |
| 13:05.25 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 13:05.25 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 13:05.42 | abrotman | acardenas: what is your video card ? |
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| 13:07.45 | acardenas | intel 915 gm |
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| 13:08.04 | sonmez | Hi. Where INFOPATH variable is stored? |
| 13:08.07 | Absolute0 | can i design with flash on debian or am i stuck with using macromedia mx on windows? |
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| 13:08.50 | abrotman | does it run in wine ? |
| 13:08.50 | Absolute0 | i dont like to wine applications, they always end up being all bugged up |
| 13:09.08 | abrotman | xen? qemu? |
| 13:09.15 | abrotman | (which still requires windows i guess) |
| 13:09.47 | valdyn | kvm! |
| 13:10.15 | Absolute0 | huh? |
| 13:10.48 | Absolute0 | i can't believe there isnt a flash mx clone for linux... :( |
| 13:10.56 | Absolute0 | don't linux people use flash? |
| 13:10.58 | Jckf | There isn't? |
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| 13:11.15 | Absolute0 | Jckf: do you know of one? |
| 13:11.18 | BotaniCar | noone sane uses flash :)= xpt for flash games :) |
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| 13:11.24 | Jckf | No |
| 13:11.38 | Absolute0 | it would be nice to make a nice flash game |
| 13:12.06 | Absolute0 | whats the best api i can use for graphing data from mysql databases? |
| 13:12.10 | Jckf | Absolute0: http://www.flashguru.co.uk/flash-mx-on-linux/ |
| 13:12.10 | abrotman | Absolute0: i've made flash bits in php |
| 13:12.13 | Absolute0 | on a web page? |
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| 13:12.36 | abrotman | Absolute0: sure |
| 13:13.11 | Absolute0 | Jckf: crossover is just a version of wine :-P |
| 13:13.17 | Absolute0 | that costs money |
| 13:13.18 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 13:13.39 | Jckf | Oh. I didn't read through it. I just copied the first google result ;P |
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| 13:14.32 | snowman | can anybody explain me this or tell me he need to know to help me? after upgrading my debian system i cannot send mails anymore. the saslauthdis running. warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory |
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| 13:16.24 | dcorking | Absolute0 - is flash mx a developer tool or a player? |
| 13:16.24 | Absolute0 | thing is i dont have flash mx so i dont feel like buying it(or downloading it) id rather use some free open source version of it.. |
| 13:16.32 | Absolute0 | developer tool |
| 13:16.34 | abrotman | dcorking: development |
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| 13:17.06 | dcorking | what is your goal for developing? do you need something that plays on Adobe Flash player plugins? |
| 13:17.23 | abrotman | uhm .. that'd be a good plan eh ? |
| 13:17.32 | dcorking | ? |
| 13:17.51 | abrotman | you'd do what else with it ? |
| 13:17.59 | Absolute0 | dcorking: i just want to learn flash |
| 13:18.12 | wathek | abrotman: I'm trying what you told me to do but I get errors look http://paste.debian.net/31973 |
| 13:18.14 | Absolute0 | it seems like a necessary skill in web design today... |
| 13:18.17 | snowman | Who knows something about postfix / saslauthd and can help me out here? |
| 13:19.11 | abrotman | wathek: this is for nvidia stuff ? |
| 13:19.20 | wathek | no for my wifi card |
| 13:19.33 | abrotman | for ndiswrapper ? |
| 13:19.36 | wathek | that's that |
| 13:19.38 | dcorking | well I was thinking of other plugins that are equally as functional as the Flash player abrotman |
| 13:19.46 | abrotman | there is one ? |
| 13:19.53 | abrotman | wathek: are you on etch ? |
| 13:20.00 | wathek | yes |
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| 13:20.36 | dcorking | Absolute0: there are a few open source tools that can play a limited version of actionscript ... |
| 13:20.41 | abrotman | wathek: was this box upgraded from sarge or anything ? |
| 13:20.50 | wathek | no |
| 13:20.51 | dcorking | ... but I think you can write actionscript with a text editor |
| 13:21.05 | wathek | I've download the netinstall of Etche and I've installed it |
| 13:21.10 | abrotman | he could use SVG and CSS and javascript! |
| 13:21.12 | wathek | I didn't any upgrade |
| 13:21.20 | snowman | Well isn't this actually the #debian channel and #not the #flash channel ;-) ? |
| 13:21.33 | Absolute0 | dcorking: i am talking about playing firefox can simply install the plugins necessary! |
| 13:21.42 | Absolute0 | i need to actually create those actionscripts |
| 13:21.46 | Absolute0 | whateer forget about it |
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| 13:21.59 | Absolute0 | snowman: i want a flash app for my debian system :-P |
| 13:22.17 | snowman | lol |
| 13:22.22 | sonmez | Is there a way of updating INFO's dir page automatically? |
| 13:22.25 | dcorking | abrotman: the squeak plugin hasall the functionality of Flash, afaik, is open source, but IS NOT COMPATIBLE with flash, and should work in iceweasel (debian firefox) |
| 13:22.40 | abrotman | so .. not flash :) |
| 13:22.50 | abrotman | which is what he wanted to learn |
| 13:22.52 | dcorking | right abrotman :) |
| 13:23.07 | snowman | abrotman can you help me out with y postfix problem? |
| 13:23.10 | dcorking | I was answering your question about equal functionality |
| 13:23.22 | abrotman | snowman: turn off SASL ? |
| 13:23.31 | snowman | why turning off? |
| 13:23.38 | snowman | i want to use sasl |
| 13:23.45 | abrotman | dcorking: not equal . only flash is flash .. hell even the adobe flash linux player isn't equal |
| 13:24.08 | abrotman | wathek: do you have non-free and contrib sources ? |
| 13:24.16 | snowman | and it works if i use testsaslauthd |
| 13:24.21 | wathek | abrotman: no |
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| 13:25.33 | abrotman | oh wait .. i guess you don't need them |
| 13:25.46 | dcorking | for Absolute0 's question about learning flash but staying open source, I hear good things about http://www.openlaszlo.org/ and http://wiki.freaks-unidos.net/gordon I imagine both will work well on debian |
| 13:27.47 | stoned | man |
| 13:27.50 | abrotman | wathek: did you try again ? |
| 13:27.53 | stoned | I have to go to work rightn ow |
| 13:28.15 | stoned | sucks |
| 13:28.16 | wathek | abrotman: I'm trying this since yesterday |
| 13:28.25 | wathek | it freaks me :( |
| 13:29.02 | jetscreamer | later stoned |
| 13:30.03 | abrotman | wathek: any other odd system errors ? |
| 13:30.15 | wathek | no |
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| 13:30.33 | abrotman | wathek: aptitude install build-essential .. does that do anything ? |
| 13:30.54 | wathek | when i try again I get an other error |
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| 13:31.00 | stoned | jetscreamer: its just that I'm going to get high before I go |
| 13:31.20 | wathek | http://paste.debian.net/31975 |
| 13:31.27 | wathek | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/31975 look at it |
| 13:31.43 | stoned | more than likely the boss won't be there, and all I have to do is bios pw recovery, and replace a motherboard in another one, and I think remove spyware from another one, thats it, two hours tops, I'm comin home |
| 13:31.43 | jetscreamer | stoned: why i thought you quit |
| 13:31.49 | jetscreamer | stoned: well have fun |
| 13:31.53 | stoned | jetscreamer: well yeh, I did |
| 13:32.03 | stoned | but I got a job and I don't have to worry about a pee test anymore |
| 13:32.05 | stoned | :D |
| 13:32.10 | jetscreamer | sounds like you'll fry something |
| 13:32.12 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 13:32.12 | stoned | so I'm taking it easy for a while |
| 13:32.20 | jetscreamer | brain... |
| 13:32.24 | stoned | jetscreamer: hehe |
| 13:32.26 | ghatak | how do i check version of a package on debian? |
| 13:32.27 | abrotman | wathek: any errors in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog ? |
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| 13:32.30 | stoned | !version |
| 13:32.31 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
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| 13:32.56 | metbsd | how do i swich back to console in centos? |
| 13:33.03 | abrotman | ask #centos |
| 13:33.05 | stoned | jetscreamer: you know the cool part |
| 13:33.05 | wathek | abrotman: no error in messages |
| 13:33.18 | stoned | I do at my new job, what I would normally do if I were to stay home and relax |
| 13:33.22 | jetscreamer | ctrl alt f1 |
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| 13:33.27 | wathek | nor in syslog |
| 13:33.27 | stoned | jetscreamer: only thing is, at work its less pottage |
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| 13:33.32 | jetscreamer | centos rocks but this isn't #cento |
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| 13:33.40 | jetscreamer | stoned: yep |
| 13:34.19 | stoned | my first day at work, I installed sid and beryl |
| 13:34.21 | h3sp4wn | metbsd: Debian is control + alt + number |
| 13:34.34 | stoned | the techs that work under me think I'm a linux guru |
| 13:34.40 | delliott | Do you need to install support for MP3 audio playback in Debian? |
| 13:34.44 | stoned | they were all trying to show me vista and windowblinds and shit |
| 13:34.49 | stoned | I just loaded up beryl and they all shut up |
| 13:34.59 | abrotman | no |
| 13:35.31 | stoned | the bossman wanted to officilly support linux using me |
| 13:35.34 | snowman | abrotman i just configured a little it mor, and now i have a warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: Connection refused |
| 13:35.43 | snowman | Can you help me now? |
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| 13:35.51 | stoned | but I told him, if anyone is already running linux, they won't bring thier system in, they pretty know how to fix it |
| 13:35.57 | stoned | !help |
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| 13:36.02 | jetscreamer | stoned: so #debian should be a work requirement then... |
| 13:36.04 | stoned | nope |
| 13:36.11 | abrotman | isn't there a SASL readme in the /usr/share/doc/postfix/ ? |
| 13:36.11 | stoned | jetscreamer: meaning/ |
| 13:36.13 | stoned | ? |
| 13:36.28 | jetscreamer | stoned: meaning you'll have to suffer and have irc at work |
| 13:36.36 | stoned | suffer? |
| 13:36.41 | jetscreamer | yes.. agony |
| 13:36.43 | stoned | if its a joke I am not getting it |
| 13:36.48 | stoned | why agony? |
| 13:36.55 | jetscreamer | geh.... |
| 13:37.04 | jetscreamer | you tell the boss it's needed for work |
| 13:37.09 | stoned | yeh I did |
| 13:37.14 | jetscreamer | it's a rough job, but somebody has to do it... |
| 13:37.17 | stoned | well not #debian, but debian |
| 13:37.30 | jetscreamer | you will be happy to volunteer to put yourself through that agony |
| 13:37.33 | jetscreamer | for the job |
| 13:37.38 | stoned | I said look man, fuck windows, I only use linux. he tried to tell me no, but I said either this or I wont work |
| 13:37.49 | stoned | now he wants linux on his desktop too |
| 13:37.58 | stoned | hes a very good and cool guy |
| 13:38.05 | stoned | hes just a jew,thats all |
| 13:38.11 | stoned | nice guy, pays me well enough |
| 13:38.15 | jetscreamer | nothing wrong with jewish ppl |
| 13:38.21 | jetscreamer | or any ppl |
| 13:38.21 | stoned | absolutely not |
| 13:38.26 | jetscreamer | cept the asshole ppl |
| 13:38.29 | stoned | indeed |
| 13:38.43 | stoned | alright man |
| 13:38.46 | jetscreamer | i call them a diff word, but skin has nothing to do with it |
| 13:38.46 | stoned | I'm going |
| 13:38.51 | jetscreamer | ciao |
| 13:38.52 | stoned | I'll see you from work in like 20 min |
| 13:38.59 | snowman | abrotman there is a README.dbian, but no HOWTO |
| 13:39.01 | stoned | *out* |
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| 13:39.57 | somian[0] | Hrmph, whadda .. mkisofs: "Total extents scheduled to be written = 44223" ... what's an "extant"; I want to know in KB. Any ideas? |
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| 13:40.18 | abrotman | snowman: do you have the postfix-tls package installed ? |
| 13:40.35 | abrotman | snowman: the README has info about SASL |
| 13:40.42 | jetscreamer | extent or extant |
| 13:41.16 | snowman | abrotman: apt-get install postfix-tls |
| 13:41.16 | snowman | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 13:41.16 | snowman | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 13:41.16 | snowman | Note, selecting postfix instead of postfix-tls |
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| 13:41.31 | jetscreamer | http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/extant |
| 13:41.45 | abrotman | snowman: i didn't ask you to install it |
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| 13:42.04 | snowman | i just approved it by rying to install it |
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| 13:42.20 | snowman | as you can see, it was installed before |
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| 13:43.13 | petemc | you cant see that, but dont bother pasting again... |
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| 13:43.24 | shuveb | hi, in etch whats the name of the package that contains libxen? |
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| 13:45.32 | metbsd | can't believe openrelay is so easy to do in exim |
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| 13:46.16 | petemc | metbsd: really, go troll somewhere else |
| 13:46.26 | shuveb | hi, can someone tell me which package contain's xen's "xm" file? |
| 13:46.34 | stew | shuveb: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 13:46.40 | shuveb | ok |
| 13:46.58 | petemc | xen-utils |
| 13:47.03 | metbsd | i didn't say your mom is bad |
| 13:47.10 | metbsd | how did i troll |
| 13:47.18 | minus | Does someone know how to make the computer to automaticly do a "dhclient" if the internetconnection goes down? |
| 13:47.32 | shuveb | petemc, thanks |
| 13:47.43 | petemc | np |
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| 13:50.37 | lilalinux | is anybody there using misdn with debian? |
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| 13:57.20 | shuveb | is there a libxen package for etch somewhere that i can use? |
| 13:57.40 | RichiH | hmm |
| 13:58.22 | RichiH | the make-kpkg mantra fails on both the most current and next-to-most current 2.6.21 sources |
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| 13:59.06 | stew | RichiH: fails how? |
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| 13:59.21 | uwe | hello, i want to test both exim4 and sendmail on my debian machine, but the insist on conflicting ... how can i force them to co-exist ? |
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| 14:00.37 | RichiH | hmm, it seems it is automagically grabbing the binary blob by nvidia (even though i did not tell it to do so) |
| 14:01.01 | RichiH | http://paste.debian.net/31977 |
| 14:01.49 | jetscreamer | RichiH: grep -i paravirt_ops /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 14:01.58 | jetscreamer | oh nm maybe |
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| 14:02.32 | roland_ | hi |
| 14:02.45 | roland_ | im having a issue with my soundcard, i cant run alsamixer |
| 14:02.57 | roland_ | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 14:03.15 | abrotman | modprobe snd_pcm_oss ? |
| 14:03.17 | jetscreamer | RichiH: nvidia (the binary at least) doesn't like paravirt_ops enabled in the kernel ... .20 & .21 |
| 14:03.26 | roland_ | i have a sis sound card, and its weird but system sounds (like gaim ) works |
| 14:03.32 | stoned | ok |
| 14:03.37 | stoned | I'm back |
| 14:03.47 | jetscreamer | no you're not |
| 14:03.51 | jetscreamer | you're there |
| 14:03.52 | stoned | yes I am |
| 14:04.07 | RichiH | jetscreamer: the source i am trying to build has the gpl check disabled |
| 14:04.11 | RichiH | for exactly that reason ;) |
| 14:04.18 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 14:04.47 | roland_ | dunno why beeps and gaim sounds work and also the volume shows up correctly but i have no sound for example on youtube videos |
| 14:04.53 | jetscreamer | so you're amending the nvidia source... i heard about that as a fix, but went with recompiling my kernel |
| 14:05.07 | cast | is that check going to be removed in .22? |
| 14:05.12 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 14:05.12 | dpkg | alsa one-liner is, like, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 14:05.24 | jetscreamer | i heard they are non-gpl-only'ing paravirt_ops |
| 14:05.37 | jetscreamer | as in making it not gpl only |
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| 14:05.48 | jetscreamer | gah that is like a triple negative or something? |
| 14:05.52 | tsimmes | Hey, after upgrading from stable to testing I get error when I try to startx that the module nvidia doesn't exist, what can I do? |
| 14:05.54 | roland_ | i have installed those already |
| 14:05.55 | roland_ | alsamixer |
| 14:05.55 | roland_ | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 14:06.03 | jetscreamer | tsimmes: redo the nvidia thing |
| 14:06.11 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | I have ipmasq to share internet... how I can make a DMZ to 1 internal pc? |
| 14:06.16 | abrotman | tsimmes: did you install the nvidia driver after the upgrade ? |
| 14:06.19 | abrotman | or rather .. reinstall |
| 14:06.23 | jetscreamer | ipmasq to share internet? |
| 14:06.24 | tsimmes | jetscreamer, I have the package nvidia-glx, what else do I need? |
| 14:06.37 | jetscreamer | tsimmes: the kernel stuff |
| 14:06.42 | abrotman | !yinzersmite damog |
| 14:06.52 | damog | :-O |
| 14:06.54 | jetscreamer | tsimmes: just m-a a-i nvidia again |
| 14:07.03 | jetscreamer | tsimmes: just m-a a-i -f nvidia again |
| 14:07.14 | h3sp4wn | tsimmes: what does cat /proc/driver/nvidia say |
| 14:07.30 | damog | does CompWizrd work at CompUsa? |
| 14:07.36 | damog | wrong chan. |
| 14:07.36 | jetscreamer | and if the sources aren't borked, should work out |
| 14:07.38 | h3sp4wn | tsimmes: (you might actually have the correct module already (otherwise nvidia-glx wouldn't install) |
| 14:07.41 | CompWizrd | damog: NO DAMMIT |
| 14:07.43 | roland_ | alsamixer |
| 14:07.44 | roland_ | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 14:07.51 | tsimmes | h3sp4wn, cat: /proc/driver/nvidia: Is a directory |
| 14:07.52 | roland_ | installed everything alsa* |
| 14:07.59 | h3sp4wn | tsimmes: hence only need - modprobe -r nvidia && modprobe nvidia |
| 14:07.59 | roland_ | lspci says i have sis soundcard |
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| 14:08.09 | tsimmes | jetscreamer, what does it mean? and I have nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 14:08.10 | h3sp4wn | tsimmes: cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version |
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| 14:08.32 | tsimmes | h3sp4wn, NVRM version: NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module 1.0-8776 Mon Oct 16 21:56:04 PDT 2006 |
| 14:08.32 | tsimmes | GCC version: gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21) |
| 14:08.59 | jetscreamer | tsimmes: how did you get nvidia installed in the first place |
| 14:09.11 | h3sp4wn | tsimmes: aptitude show nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` | awk '/Version/ {printf "%s\n", $2}' |
| 14:09.12 | tsimmes | h3sp4wn, the module nvidia is written in /etc/modules |
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| 14:09.45 | h3sp4wn | !info nvidia-glx lenny |
| 14:10.01 | ziombka | hi |
| 14:10.03 | tsimmes | h3sp4wn, 1.0.8776+6 |
| 14:10.03 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776-4 (lenny), Packaged size: 3217 kB, Installed size: 10624 kB |
| 14:10.10 | jetscreamer | lenny has a tendency to be mismatched in nvidia |
| 14:10.21 | jetscreamer | more than sid or stable |
| 14:10.22 | h3sp4wn | tsimmes: Ah you need a newer version |
| 14:10.33 | ziombka | can someone tell me why in process list on debian router i have every process doubled at least two times? |
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| 14:10.55 | tsimmes | h3sp4wn, newer version of what? and from where I get it? |
| 14:11.03 | jetscreamer | tsimmes: how did you get nvidia installed in the first place |
| 14:11.20 | h3sp4wn | tsimmes: You need to build nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 14:11.37 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | someone knows how to make an dmz? |
| 14:11.48 | jetscreamer | !no |
| 14:11.48 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 14:11.55 | roland_ | help, alsamixer doesnt work : function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 14:11.55 | roland_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:12.03 | h3sp4wn | tsimmes: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:12.05 | tsimmes | jetscreamer, I installed nvidia-glx and the nvidia-kernel package and I added nvidia to /etc/modules If I remember correct |
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| 14:12.08 | h3sp4wn | tsimmes: http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers.html |
| 14:12.23 | h3sp4wn | tsimmes: build 100.14.11 |
| 14:12.41 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 14:12.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 14:12.49 | tsimmes | h3sp4wn, jetscreamer, ok thank you I'll try it :-) |
| 14:13.23 | jetscreamer | tsimmes: just m-a a-i -f nvidia should do what you want.... |
| 14:13.31 | h3sp4wn | jetscreamer: No it won't |
| 14:13.33 | jetscreamer | but you need a sane dev env |
| 14:13.36 | jetscreamer | ok nm |
| 14:13.45 | jetscreamer | /ignore me |
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| 14:14.19 | tsimmes | jetscreamer, I'm sorry I didn't understand what does it mean |
| 14:14.31 | jetscreamer | tsimmes: do what h3sp4wn says |
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| 14:14.43 | zamuro | /ignore jetscreamer*!*@* ALL |
| 14:14.51 | tsimmes | ok |
| 14:14.52 | h3sp4wn | tsimmes: after following the dpkg backport advice - You will have the deb's you need but you won't be able to install the nvidia-glx package until you build the kernel module |
| 14:14.53 | jetscreamer | zamuro: that might be a mistake though |
| 14:15.03 | jetscreamer | backport? |
| 14:15.05 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 14:15.12 | jetscreamer | he went lenny from etch |
| 14:15.28 | h3sp4wn | And for the version of xserver-xorg-core |
| 14:15.36 | jetscreamer | he seemed to indicate that nvidia was functional in etch |
| 14:15.37 | zamuro | You told to ignore you. I'm just doing it so :P |
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| 14:15.40 | h3sp4wn | that is in lenny he needs nvidia-graphics-drivers from sid |
| 14:15.42 | jetscreamer | oh ok |
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| 14:16.01 | h3sp4wn | !info xserver-xorg-core lenny |
| 14:16.04 | jetscreamer | fuggit :) |
| 14:16.05 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-core: (X.Org X server -- core server), section x11, is optional. Version: 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-6 (lenny), Packaged size: 3533 kB, Installed size: 10168 kB |
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| 14:16.22 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt <--that installs nvidia also |
| 14:16.33 | jetscreamer | use it when you're desperate |
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| 14:17.20 | h3sp4wn | I would rather use nv for a bit then mess up the packaging system |
| 14:17.27 | roland_ | function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 14:17.27 | roland_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.49 | dererk | May it work here? |
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| 14:18.13 | jetscreamer | roland_: lsmod | grep snd_ |
| 14:18.15 | h3sp4wn | roland_: ls /dev/snd |
| 14:18.30 | dererk | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.30 | dererk | ups |
| 14:18.32 | roland_ | ls /dev/snd |
| 14:18.32 | roland_ | timer |
| 14:18.47 | h3sp4wn | roland_: Looks like you are not using udev |
| 14:18.58 | jetscreamer | dererk: i said earlier "just ignore me" to somebody else |
| 14:18.59 | h3sp4wn | roland_: What version of Debian are you running |
| 14:19.03 | roland_ | 4.0 |
| 14:19.09 | roland_ | default kernekl |
| 14:19.10 | jetscreamer | cept i said just /ignore me |
| 14:19.25 | h3sp4wn | roland_: installed from scratch or upgraded from sarge ? |
| 14:19.32 | roland_ | installed from scratch |
| 14:19.36 | roland_ | (netinstall) |
| 14:19.44 | dererk | jetscreamer, :P |
| 14:19.55 | jetscreamer | do you have alsa-oss-compat package? |
| 14:20.00 | jetscreamer | !find alsa-oss |
| 14:20.06 | roland_ | how do i check |
| 14:20.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'alsa-oss' (1): (/usr/share/lintian/overrides/alsa-oss) in sound/alsa-oss. |
| 14:20.16 | h3sp4wn | Its alsa that is complaining not oss |
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| 14:20.41 | RichiH | stew: any idea? |
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| 14:21.00 | h3sp4wn | roland_: Have you run alsaconf |
| 14:21.15 | dererk | RichiH, hi there :) |
| 14:21.23 | stew | RichiH: i stopped reading when i saw 'nvidia' |
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| 14:21.52 | ghatak | Hi, I am trying to use curl to access https pages, it complains that libcurl3 does not have ssl support. while debian package says it is compiled with ssl support |
| 14:21.55 | ghatak | ii libcurl3 7.13.2-2sarge5 Multi-protocol file transfer library, now with SSL support! |
| 14:22.00 | RichiH | stew: believe me, i would rather have dual screens without that pos blob, either.. |
| 14:22.05 | RichiH | dererk: oi |
| 14:22.10 | h3sp4wn | roland_: actually install linux-sound-base |
| 14:23.02 | h3sp4wn | roland_: (that message indicates a lack of /dev/snd/controlC0) or I had in a similar situation where that device didn't exist |
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| 14:24.56 | h3sp4wn | !tell tsimmes about nvidia_post_etch |
| 14:25.16 | roland_ | k3sp4wn thanks it works now |
| 14:25.20 | roland_ | needed to run alsaconf |
| 14:25.29 | h3sp4wn | tsimmes: after you do the backport then you can that tells you the module assistant part |
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| 14:26.21 | rocketmagnet | morning |
| 14:27.15 | rocketmagnet | does someone know where i can set the lenght of icon text ? because when an icon has a long name it gets broken into multiple lines |
| 14:27.34 | rocketmagnet | like "Person\nal Fold\ner" |
| 14:27.39 | rocketmagnet | \n for newline |
| 14:27.52 | rocketmagnet | i've set this somewhere and can't remember where |
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| 14:34.11 | RichiH | what is the 'good' way of calling patch to create diffs, again? |
| 14:35.22 | harpal | how can I find out how much space used by some folder |
| 14:35.35 | gamayun | hi guys. i started second gui session with "startx -- :1 vt6" command. how can i stop the X on vt6 without interrupting another gui session on vt7? |
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| 14:35.59 | asg | RichiH: patch doesn't create diffs, diff does. (and diff -u is what you want) |
| 14:36.14 | asg | harpal: du -hs /dir |
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| 14:36.31 | RichiH | asg: oh, heh, yes |
| 14:36.42 | h3sp4wn | RichiH: diff -Nur tree1/file.c tree2/file.c or diff -Naur tree1 tree2 |
| 14:38.01 | asg | gamayun: use ps to find the PID of the X server on vt6 and kill it |
| 14:38.15 | RichiH | aye, thanks |
| 14:38.23 | gamayun | asg: thanks |
| 14:39.06 | asg | gamayun: also, you should be able to chvt 6 (to get to that X session) and CTRL+ALT+BKSP |
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| 14:40.11 | harpal | asg: thanx |
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| 14:40.35 | Niacin | i'm having issues with chat and pppd... well it works fine with wvdial but chat doesn't seem to work |
| 14:40.36 | Niacin | http://www.pastebin.ca/603032 |
| 14:40.45 | Niacin | it gets caught waiting for CONNECT.. |
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| 14:41.13 | Niacin | if i cu it... for some reason it only lets me send one char at a time... any thoughts? |
| 14:41.40 | harpal | When I start my linux then it show me TUN universal drivers then it brings up tun0 new ethernet |
| 14:41.52 | harpal | it stops communication |
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| 14:42.05 | harpal | after starting TUN |
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| 14:43.04 | Niacin | http://www.pastebin.ca/603081 why does it send char by char |
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| 14:43.57 | aksn | hi all |
| 14:44.01 | sam_ | Hi are there any other installers that I could use for etch other than the official? I understand that morphix is one option, but i'm not sure how 'true' to debian it is.. |
| 14:44.37 | aksn | i'm using 2.6.16-2-amd64-k8-smp kernel and i'd like to upgrade but, i can only find linux-image-2.6.21-2-amd64 with no SMP, there is no higher SMP supported kernel version? i'm using debian unstable x64 |
| 14:44.40 | tsimmes | How can I check which video card I have? |
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| 14:44.50 | sam_ | someone suggested the siddux installer, would it be very difficult to backport to etch? |
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| 14:45.20 | fireba11 | aksn : all new kernels are smp |
| 14:45.40 | sam_ | I am looking for something that is user-friendly |
| 14:45.54 | aksn | fireba11, i was thinking that...so linux-image-2.6.21-2-amd64 is smp? |
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| 14:46.24 | fireba11 | aksn : yes .. since dual core is common now all kernels are build with smp |
| 14:46.47 | aksn | fireba11, ok, thanks! |
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| 14:48.04 | waspius | hi..i tried running a game with wine and i get the error couldn't load wined3d-opengl libs not present? any ideas |
| 14:48.50 | Azar | waspius: if something is not "present" or not "found" you can allways "install" it |
| 14:48.52 | fsteves | What would cause my chroot not to have network access |
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| 14:49.12 | waspius | Azar: correct :P |
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| 14:50.26 | vin` | sam_: what is not user-friendly with the etch installer? |
| 14:50.27 | Azar | sam_: etch has the most user-friendly installer of all previous Debian installers |
| 14:50.57 | tsimmes | Hey I tried to install the nvidia graphic drivers and I got this error "Unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel.", what can I do? |
| 14:51.23 | gamayun | <chvt> worked. but the system crashed a bit. |
| 14:51.31 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | how I can restart iptables on debian??... don't exist the script on my box |
| 14:51.56 | xmyth | tsimmes, install the kernel-header |
| 14:52.05 | asg | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R: read /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian* (It explains why there isn't one and many ways to accomplish what you want) |
| 14:52.49 | aksn | tsimmes, install your kernel headers |
| 14:52.50 | tsimmes | xmyth, The package linux-kernel-headers is already installed |
| 14:52.54 | Azar | sam_: ilustrated installation: http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_debian_etch |
| 14:53.06 | asg | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R: nevermind, LJ removed that file since it was apparently too confusing. |
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| 14:54.08 | tsimmes | xmyth, never mind I found it, thanks :) |
| 14:54.27 | xmyth | np |
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| 14:54.38 | asg | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R: basically, you create your own init.d script (see /etc/init.d/skeleton for an example) that calls /sbin/iptables-restore </path/to/rules. You could also use firehol or another firewall builder package. |
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| 15:02.12 | waspius | can you check this please http://pastebin.ca/603100 |
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| 15:03.10 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | asg: I'm using ipmasq |
| 15:03.13 | abrotman | waspius: ask #winehq |
| 15:03.22 | waspius | ok thanx |
| 15:03.34 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | asg: I'm only finding how to make an DMZ to an internal ip on my lan |
| 15:03.43 | dimir | !nickometer N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R |
| 15:03.45 | dpkg | 'N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R' is 99.9224% lame, dimir |
| 15:04.18 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | dimir: are you bored? |
| 15:04.20 | Azar | waspius: it looks that it gives you a LOT of advices.. |
| 15:04.34 | abrotman | Azar: not really |
| 15:04.35 | Azar | good morning honorable abrotman :) |
| 15:05.00 | Azar | abrotman I would go first with line # |
| 15:05.07 | Azar | line 8 |
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| 15:05.25 | abrotman | Azar: right .. ask #winehq :) |
| 15:05.28 | Azar | hehe |
| 15:06.08 | Azar | abrotman: just for a second let me gloat about the new movie coming up: "trans..ers" |
| 15:06.20 | asg | Azar: transexualers? |
| 15:06.27 | Azar | haha no, transformers |
| 15:06.28 | abrotman | Azar: it's crap |
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| 15:07.08 | abrotman | blame michael bay |
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| 15:07.43 | Azar | well |
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| 15:07.56 | Azar | it was good enough to have a movie made after the original series |
| 15:07.57 | stoned | whoah |
| 15:07.59 | stoned | man |
| 15:08.05 | stoned | transformers are awesome |
| 15:08.13 | stoned | if you don't like, you can just get out |
| 15:08.14 | Azar | yeah stoned and I will go see it |
| 15:08.23 | stoned | dude you're on the other end of the country! |
| 15:08.40 | Azar | stoned: nm we will see it wherever we are |
| 15:08.48 | stoned | lol word |
| 15:08.50 | asg | stoned: you could text each other at the same time |
| 15:08.58 | stoned | lol |
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| 15:09.01 | Azar | :) |
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| 15:09.18 | OradeaCity | hello :) What should I do in this situation: http://pastebin.ca/603113 ? |
| 15:09.54 | asg | OradeaCity: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 15:10.05 | dimir | OradeaCity: dpkg -P the fscker. |
| 15:10.08 | OradeaCity | Lenny |
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| 15:10.35 | Azar | OradeaCity: did you stopped the daemon before removing? |
| 15:10.41 | OradeaCity | no :) |
| 15:10.43 | asg | OradeaCity: well, first check the BTS (file a bug otherwise) and then hack the prerm script in /var/lib/dpkg/info to not break |
| 15:10.49 | abrotman | Azar: shouldn't matter |
| 15:10.49 | Azar | OradeaCity: well do that first |
| 15:10.58 | abrotman | Azar: the removal script should stop it |
| 15:11.07 | Azar | abrotman: ah I thought sometimes "remove" hangs on running daemons |
| 15:11.25 | OradeaCity | OradeaCity:~# /usr/bin/mbmon stop |
| 15:11.25 | OradeaCity | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.33 | Azar | OradeaCity: and try the magic "aptitude remove" |
| 15:11.42 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:11.56 | asg | abrotman: nfc |
| 15:12.02 | OradeaCity | Azar: when I use aptitude .. it`s the same thing |
| 15:12.03 | dimir | OradeaCity: rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/mbom.prerm |
| 15:12.15 | dimir | and then do it again |
| 15:12.33 | OradeaCity | rm: cannot remove `/var/lib/dpkg/info/mbom.prerm': No such file or directory |
| 15:12.35 | abrotman | that's a bit violent .. but okay |
| 15:12.41 | dimir | hehe |
| 15:12.55 | dimir | well, see where the fscker is. |
| 15:13.01 | dimir | ls var/lib/dpkg/info/mbom* |
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| 15:13.06 | asg | OradeaCity: it's mbmon according to your pastebin |
| 15:13.10 | dimir | add / |
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| 15:13.30 | dimir | oh yeah. |
| 15:13.33 | abrotman | dimir: couldn't you just put exit 0 at the top? :) |
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| 15:13.50 | asg | abrotman: it's better to find where it fails and hack around it just in case other cleanup needs doing. |
| 15:14.23 | dimir | abrot: also good idea. :-) |
| 15:14.25 | abrotman | asg: i know that ... but not everyone can do that :) |
| 15:14.32 | dimir | abrotman: also good idea. :-) |
| 15:14.36 | asg | abrotman: then they shouldn't be running testing should they |
| 15:14.42 | abrotman | asg: if you're just going to ignore the whole thing .. at least don't take the file away |
| 15:14.44 | OradeaCity | http://pastebin.ca/603118 |
| 15:14.46 | Petfrogg | what source do i need to add in source.list in order to get the nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 15:15.02 | abrotman | Petfrogg: probably non-free and contrib |
| 15:15.09 | dimir | OradeaCity: /var/lib/dpkg/info/mbmon.prerm <-- remove this fscker |
| 15:15.11 | Petfrogg | ok |
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| 15:16.04 | dimir | removing init symlinks probably. |
| 15:16.13 | OradeaCity | rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/mbmon.prerm and now is working :) |
| 15:16.17 | OradeaCity | thanks guys! ;) |
| 15:16.19 | dimir | \o/ |
| 15:16.23 | dimir | np |
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| 15:18.29 | Absolute0 | abrotman: in archlinux its customary to do a dist upgrade everyday... |
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| 15:18.54 | abrotman | Absolute0: i meant from etch to lenny .. |
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| 15:19.29 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: libc6 will be updated to 2.6 soon |
| 15:19.40 | abrotman | i should wait ? |
| 15:19.43 | h3sp4wn | (so loads of stuff will be held back again) |
| 15:19.48 | Absolute0 | oh |
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| 15:19.53 | Absolute0 | abrotman: no! |
| 15:19.54 | reber | hey |
| 15:20.00 | Absolute0 | lenny isnt stable |
| 15:20.01 | abrotman | bah .. it's just a libc6 transition .. what could go wrong |
| 15:20.07 | abrotman | Absolute0: i know .. i'm fine with that |
| 15:20.16 | Absolute0 | nvidia is bugged... |
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| 15:20.31 | Absolute0 | yeah wait for lenny to become stable |
| 15:20.31 | rdesh | hi all |
| 15:20.42 | abrotman | Absolute0: i'll be fine |
| 15:20.48 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: sid or etch (wouldn't use anything else) |
| 15:20.48 | abrotman | Absolute0: and i don't buy nvidia crap hardware |
| 15:20.49 | reber | Is this line corect : 0 1 * * * root /opt/backups/script_backup.sh in /etc/cron.d/mycron |
| 15:20.54 | rdesh | i am trying to find all files in a directory that don't have numbers in them. how come this does not work? --> ls | grep -L '*[0-9]*' |
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| 15:20.59 | Absolute0 | why is nvidia crap? |
| 15:21.02 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: bah .. testing is fun |
| 15:21.10 | abrotman | Absolute0: as you just said .. it's bugged/broke |
| 15:21.13 | Azar | intel core2 is crap |
| 15:21.21 | reber | nvidia is not crap |
| 15:21.22 | Absolute0 | the driver is bugged not the hardware.. |
| 15:21.23 | abrotman | Azar: at least it works |
| 15:21.24 | reber | anyway |
| 15:21.28 | Absolute0 | its not stable... |
| 15:21.30 | abrotman | Absolute0: i'm well aware .. which makes it crap |
| 15:21.32 | Absolute0 | in the lenny repo.. |
| 15:21.37 | abrotman | Azar: and core2 is a CPU .. not a VGA |
| 15:21.46 | Azar | hah, all my hardware is amd / nvidia and "just works" |
| 15:21.55 | reber | Azar, +1 |
| 15:22.09 | abrotman | Azar: and how old is your nvidia hardware ? |
| 15:22.11 | uwe | im sorry, i posted the question previously here but i lost the log, and i dont know if it was answered, i want to test both exim4 and sendmail on my debian machine, but the insist on conflicting ... how can i force them to co-exist ? |
| 15:22.12 | h3sp4wn | My nvidia card sucks big time |
| 15:22.17 | reber | anyway, any ideas for the cron thing ? |
| 15:22.17 | Azar | abrotman: 3 years old |
| 15:22.25 | abrotman | Azar: right .. thanks for playing .. try again later |
| 15:22.31 | Azar | :) |
| 15:22.40 | Azar | well all _new_ hardware is crap |
| 15:22.45 | abrotman | reber: when do you want it to run ? |
| 15:22.56 | reber | abrotman, every night, 1:00 Am |
| 15:23.13 | abrotman | reber: seems like it should work .. does it not ? |
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| 15:23.21 | abrotman | reber: oh .. can't have a . in there |
| 15:23.22 | reber | abrotman, no it doesn't |
| 15:23.28 | h3sp4wn | Azar: I think its more anything that deviates (even slightly) from the nvidia reference design is crap |
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| 15:23.55 | reber | abrotman, a "." ? how that ? |
| 15:24.07 | abrotman | reber: see the file name ? |
| 15:24.12 | reber | ouch |
| 15:24.13 | reber | ok |
| 15:24.15 | reber | weird |
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| 15:24.35 | asg | reber: read the run-parts manpage for the allowed names of files |
| 15:24.41 | abrotman | reber: man run-parts |
| 15:24.42 | abrotman | doh@! |
| 15:24.47 | reber | heh |
| 15:25.14 | Azar | h3sp4wn: I guess it takes at least six months for new drivers' bugs to be discovered and fixed |
| 15:26.20 | h3sp4wn | Azar: Its not that (that is my issue) its that there are only generic nvidia drivers for linux (whereas with windows the provide drivers that are modified for the hardware they make - with linux you don't get that) |
| 15:26.48 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 15:27.07 | h3sp4wn | Only thing is if you want fanless - the reference design isn't fanless |
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| 15:27.23 | haxality | hi |
| 15:27.34 | reber | "the names must consist entirely of upper and lower case letters, digits, underscores, hyphens and periods" |
| 15:27.34 | Mazingaro | please got a problem with my pc: sporadic freezes... :( time ago I removed a lot of dust from cpu heatsink (the fan was completely closed by it) |
| 15:27.51 | haxality | I was wondering if there's a tool I can use to send simple text messages from one computer in a network to another |
| 15:27.54 | Mazingaro | now cpu temp is below 320K |
| 15:28.11 | haxality | something super-simple, preferrably CLI |
| 15:28.12 | h3sp4wn | haxality: wall and ssh |
| 15:28.16 | haxality | oh really |
| 15:28.23 | Azar | well, if I am not mistaken windows swalows all new hardware with their rotten drivers fixed or not they all cash in then let the users deal with the bomb like guinea pigs |
| 15:28.26 | asg | haxality: you could also use write instead of wall |
| 15:28.32 | haxality | oh neat |
| 15:28.33 | abrotman | reber: it's an option .. |
| 15:28.38 | abrotman | reber: read the first part |
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| 15:28.44 | haxality | I figured that had to be built in to linux, just didn't know the command |
| 15:28.45 | haxality | thanks |
| 15:28.46 | haxality | :) |
| 15:28.57 | asg | haxality: if you aren't to bothered about security, there is also talk and ytalk for inter-machine chattage |
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| 15:29.03 | asg | *too |
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| 15:29.15 | haxality | awesome |
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| 15:31.26 | sam_ | vin Azar sorry got called away. I am looking for something like the ubuntu or Mepis installer. Something that Doze users would find palatable.. I may be able to pay for some development work if that is what it takes... |
| 15:31.51 | abrotman | sam_: there's a GUI installer for etch |
| 15:31.58 | abrotman | sam_: there's also a liveCD |
| 15:32.27 | sam_ | the red-on blue thing? |
| 15:32.45 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:32.49 | abrotman | oh .. no |
| 15:33.11 | abrotman | http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=724&slide=2 |
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| 15:33.14 | abrotman | kind of like that |
| 15:33.17 | sam_ | is it part of the 'official' 4 release? |
| 15:33.36 | abrotman | yep |
| 15:33.52 | wols | ysa gui installer is, live cd is not |
| 15:34.28 | h3sp4wn | sam_: I dunno how much easier it would make it (if they still need non free drivers) |
| 15:34.49 | Azar | sam_: did you looked at ilustrated installation on the link I gave you? |
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| 15:35.09 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds06.html.en |
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| 15:35.55 | ida01 | I want to give to somebody without internet access the non-free contrib and marillat repositories in a DVD - how do I do that ? |
| 15:36.05 | sam_ | thx will look |
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| 15:36.23 | abrotman | !installgui is <reply>That's right folks, with the release of Etch, Debian now has a point/click installer. Type "installgui" at the prompt. http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds06.html.en |
| 15:36.23 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 15:36.24 | ida01 | I guess the non-free and contrib are not in the main DVDs you download with etch |
| 15:36.25 | Azar | sam_: all you need is have your hardware specs noted down, and all you do is follow the installer answering questions |
| 15:37.24 | asg | sam_: depending on your skills, you could build your own livecd + installer with the bootcd package. |
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| 15:38.22 | sam_ | ok will look into |
| 15:38.26 | sam_ | thx |
| 15:39.36 | h3sp4wn | ida01: You could just get all the deb's add to suitable directories and build a simple Packages.gz with dpkg-scanpackages |
| 15:39.46 | Azar | ida01: as it should be, but the 2.6.18 kernel should have support for most hardware, basic stuff to get you going |
| 15:39.49 | h3sp4wn | ida01: then use file:// in sources.list |
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| 15:40.36 | crazypac16 | where can i find a how-to for WoW on etch? |
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| 15:41.01 | ida01 | thanks guys - I also found APTonCD it seem it does something what you suggested - I will try that |
| 15:41.43 | cast | crazypac16: you've got to be kidding....but stfw |
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| 15:41.46 | abrotman | crazypac16: that's a windows game |
| 15:41.52 | wols | crazypac16: winehq.com I guess |
| 15:41.54 | Azar | ... last time I read about APTonCD the specs were for ubuntu.. not sure if it is on Debian stable |
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| 15:42.12 | Adriano | crazypac16: tried on the winehq app database? usually there's a howto for some distro |
| 15:42.24 | crazypac16 | Adriano: thanks - |
| 15:42.31 | abrotman | or maybe ask #winehq |
| 15:43.40 | abrotman | god .. i have a lot of garbage installed :) |
| 15:43.44 | crazypac16 | will do, abrotman |
| 15:44.27 | asg | abrotman: first you binge, then you purge |
| 15:44.40 | abrotman | asg: but i should have purged before the dist-upgrade :) |
| 15:44.53 | asg | abrotman: ^c |
| 15:45.15 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. i could have .. it was too much effort :) |
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| 15:45.47 | asg | abrotman: way to get your lazy on, bravo |
| 15:45.54 | abrotman | asg: such as .. for some reason ... i have htdig installed ... |
| 15:46.10 | asg | abrotman: you were implementing Spotlight for yourself? |
| 15:46.18 | abrotman | nah |
| 15:46.38 | abrotman | not that i know of anyways :) |
| 15:47.13 | asg | abrotman: t'would be an interesting planet meme to get a list of installed packages that they didn't know they had installed. |
| 15:47.37 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. i had nexiuz installed also |
| 15:47.39 | mne | hi, i have a maxtor disk with an unreadable sector. after reading through the smartd FAQ i found out that there should be some tool that forces the disk to replace the bad sector by a spare one. now, what can i do ? do you guys know such a tool ? is there maybe even something in the debian distribution ? |
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| 15:47.51 | abrotman | asg: let's get stew to start it! |
| 15:48.12 | asg | abrotman: I have emacs installed ... time to get rid of that |
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| 15:48.37 | abrotman | asg: how often do you boot that ? |
| 15:48.58 | asg | abrotman: not often |
| 15:49.11 | asg | abrotman: hahaha, I have oneko installed |
| 15:49.14 | abrotman | asg: i'm pretty sure i don't have emacs at all .. |
| 15:49.44 | abrotman | i have acx100 but no acx100 card! |
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| 15:50.02 | abrotman | i think from when my wifi AP died and i was playing with the internal card in that |
| 15:50.57 | h3sp4wn | incidently if I am using the Debian version of emacs-snapshot - what the correct way to get it to source the stuff in /etc/emacs/site-start* |
| 15:51.03 | abrotman | i had bouncy installed at some point |
| 15:51.31 | abrotman | asg: OMFG .. i have cowsay installed!!! |
| 15:51.43 | asg | abrotman: that's standard on all our builds |
| 15:51.51 | wols | mne: smartmontools. and maxtor also makes a tool to do it (that is DOS/windows only tho( |
| 15:51.56 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
| 15:52.33 | asg | abrotman: also, filters(6) is a requirement |
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| 15:52.44 | mne | wols, i have the smartmontools installed but i'm not aware that these tools can also correct the sector problem. i'll have a look at the maxtor tool as well, thanks |
| 15:52.45 | wols | abrotman: I recently installed kde, and it installed htdig for some reason |
| 15:52.48 | abrotman | asg: i have it! |
| 15:52.58 | abrotman | wols: i dont' have KDE .. but maybe some kde libs i guess |
| 15:52.58 | wols | mne: the long test should do it |
| 15:53.04 | asg | abrotman: and {asr|funny}-manpages |
| 15:54.19 | mne | wols, are you sure ? i have a long test in my cron jobs (it does a long test once each day) and the problem is still there |
| 15:54.19 | wols | hell? |
| 15:54.22 | asg | abrotman: you probably piped something to kenny |
| 15:54.35 | abrotman | asg: for filters .. sure .. but ffmpeg ? |
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| 15:55.34 | abrotman | eww .. i have irssi installed .. |
| 15:55.43 | petemc | ! |
| 15:55.44 | abrotman | :) |
| 15:55.44 | asg | abrotman: you probably did something like 'sudo apt-get install $(kenny <<<emacs)' |
| 15:56.32 | abrotman | asg: maybe a better meme would be to see how many libraries you have installed :) |
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| 15:57.15 | peter__ | clear |
| 15:57.19 | peter__ | hello |
| 15:57.23 | abrotman | AGAIN! |
| 15:57.25 | peter__ | I have problem with my debian |
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| 15:57.59 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. might be time to clean up a bit |
| 15:58.03 | asg | abrotman: asg@grep:~$ dpkg -l | awk '/^ii lib/{print $2}' | wc -l |
| 15:58.03 | asg | 362 |
| 15:58.13 | abrotman | asg: you don't want -dev |
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| 15:58.39 | asg | abrotman: 349 |
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| 15:59.36 | abrotman | asg: 542 :) |
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| 15:59.49 | peter__ | Half hour ago, I installed Debian Etch, I made apt-get dist-update, then I have put to sources.list repo of lenny. After that I made dist-update. Done... Now, my debian dont want to startx with "mesa" in xorg.conf. I have ati x700. What should I do ? :( |
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| 16:00.14 | abrotman | use etch ? |
| 16:00.31 | peter__ | abrotman: I dont want use etch, I need lenny |
| 16:00.45 | humbolto | Should a minimal etch detect a hotplugged USB drive by itself (udev, hal, ...). What packages are necessary for that? Do I need hal for that? |
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| 16:00.49 | abrotman | need? |
| 16:00.50 | compDo | is there any possibility to search for a file within all existing Debian packages? I wanted to know if any package contains the executable m68hc11-sim |
| 16:00.52 | humbolto | I am talking about detecting not mounting |
| 16:00.57 | asg | compDo: apt-file |
| 16:01.10 | wols | compDo: /mesg dpkg search |
| 16:01.13 | peter__ | I have install debian few times, and everything was correct, now I dont know what to do when startx dont work |
| 16:01.33 | abrotman | peter__: paste your log somewhere |
| 16:01.34 | abrotman | !paste |
| 16:01.35 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 16:01.38 | wols | peter__: why do you have mesa in xorg.conf? |
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| 16:01.56 | stoned | yo |
| 16:01.58 | Haris | Hello folks |
| 16:02.00 | peter__ | wols I havent install ati drivers when Etch was working |
| 16:02.03 | Haris | Has anyone heard of or use flexbackup? |
| 16:02.10 | stoned | !flex |
| 16:02.11 | dpkg | [flex] a sucky nick used by freaks, or flex is also the Fast Lexical analyzer generator. A Lex compatible scanner generator. |
| 16:02.17 | stoned | !anyone |
| 16:02.17 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:02.28 | stoned | hi, I'm anyone. No I don't know about flexbackup. |
| 16:02.55 | wols | Haris: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 16:02.57 | peter__ | wols: first I launch X under "vesa" drivers... it was working, then I made update to lenny and "vesa" stops working |
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| 16:03.19 | Haris | wols: Yes, I went through that sarcastic piece of crap a long time ago |
| 16:03.22 | aksn | hi all |
| 16:03.24 | Haris | someone put it up on a web page |
| 16:03.28 | Haris | and everyone now links to it |
| 16:03.30 | humbolto | How can I check if my USB drive has been detected if I can't use dmesg since it is full of one unrelated other error message, which makes dmesg hard to read. |
| 16:03.39 | wols | Haris: then read it again. this time make an effort to understand. you need it |
| 16:03.52 | streuner | humbolto: lsusb |
| 16:03.55 | compDo | asg, when I run "apt-file search m68hc11-sim" I get the output "dejagnu: usr/share/dejagnu/baseboards/m68hc11-sim.exp". What does this mean |
| 16:03.57 | wols | esr always put his excrements on a webpage. not just "someone" |
| 16:04.05 | peter__ | any idea how to help me ? system is fresh and new, only after update to lenny |
| 16:04.12 | lilalinux | What is "http://pkg-voip.buildserver.net/debian"? Is it a repository that gives all voip packages in the current version to all releases? Or is it only a build server for the maintaners? |
| 16:04.14 | wols | compDo: package dejagnu. man apt-file |
| 16:04.22 | abrotman | peter__: where's your X log ? |
| 16:04.23 | aksn | i'm trying to build nvidia module, but i need gcc-4.0. however i can't find that version, but yes 3.4, 4.1....how could i solve it? |
| 16:04.26 | wols | peter__: someone already did but you ignored him |
| 16:04.31 | abrotman | lilalinux: unofficial sources |
| 16:04.37 | wols | aksn: why do you need it? |
| 16:04.40 | peter__ | abrotman: how can I put it somewere in text mode ? |
| 16:04.45 | wols | aksn: what kernel exactly (uname -a) |
| 16:04.52 | abrotman | !pastewithoutx |
| 16:04.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 16:04.53 | wols | !pastewithoutx |
| 16:04.58 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 16:05.04 | wols | !lart abrotman |
| 16:05.11 | Haris | Let me reput it, maybe this will make sense ... does flexbackup have auto-removal of backups built-in? |
| 16:05.14 | aksn | wols, 2.6.21-2-amd64 |
| 16:05.28 | Haris | Looks like no one knows about it |
| 16:05.37 | asg | Haris: http://www.edwinh.org/flexbackup/ |
| 16:05.44 | wols | aksn: there is a prebuilt nvidia module in sid. use it |
| 16:06.17 | humbolto | I read the firewire stack is currently rewritten in Linux kernel, since it kind of sucked. Did it suck so much, that I should rather use USB than firewire if my external harddrive supports it? |
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| 16:06.49 | peter__ | abrotman: unfortunatly my repos dont have w3m |
| 16:06.51 | cast | humbolto: try both. usb is quite slow, id use fw if it was faster |
| 16:07.04 | abrotman | peter__: links or links2 or lynx will work |
| 16:07.09 | peter__ | lynx |
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| 16:07.35 | Haris | asg: Yes, I can read the website for hours and find nothing. Asking the community might help me in this case |
| 16:07.38 | Haris | Thankyou |
| 16:07.50 | peter__ | abrotman: lynx also isnt in my repo |
| 16:07.52 | aksn | wols, i can only see it until 2.6.18-4 version |
| 16:08.09 | peter__ | ok links is |
| 16:08.36 | Petfrogg | hmm what stuff should i change when switchiing from stable to unstable in etch? |
| 16:08.46 | Petfrogg | all main to unstable? |
| 16:08.48 | humbolto | Is there a way to set HZ in runtime? |
| 16:09.34 | Petfrogg | sorry |
| 16:09.34 | peter__ | abrotman: what file do you need exactly? |
| 16:09.52 | abrotman | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 16:12.42 | abrotman | FFS .. who designs icons |
| 16:12.59 | asg | abrotman: dwarves |
| 16:13.10 | Haris | is dvd1 for debian 4.0 enough for an install with some good ammount of apps, or does it need to have dvd2 and 3 as well |
| 16:13.23 | abrotman | Haris: you can't use the netinst ? |
| 16:13.35 | Haris | abrotman: Why would I need it? |
| 16:13.44 | abrotman | why would you need DVD1 |
| 16:13.50 | Haris | to install it |
| 16:14.06 | Haris | I'm installing debian on a vm |
| 16:14.19 | Haris | do I need to strain my internet connection when I have dvd1 |
| 16:14.19 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 16:14.19 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 16:15.00 | abrotman | !tell MrWup about root |
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| 16:15.17 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a way to convert a modplug .it file to a mp3? it identifies for file as TAKATISB.IT: Impulse Tracker module sound data - "Takatis Credits" compatible w/ITv217 created w/ITv214 |
| 16:15.20 | Haris | Time to run home |
| 16:15.44 | peter__ | abrotman: done, but I cant find link to it... it was on pastebin.ca try find it in first files that were uploaded few secounds ago |
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| 16:16.07 | loopdee | .it is from impulse tracker, modplug can export to wav or even mp3 i think |
| 16:16.21 | peter__ | abrotman: I got it? |
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| 16:16.57 | abrotman | peter__: did you use a name ? |
| 16:17.01 | HardDisk_WP | loopdee, modplug isnt available in debian repos :( |
| 16:17.13 | loopdee | modpolug is for windows, try soundtracker |
| 16:17.16 | peter__ | abrotman: not, it is as anornymous |
| 16:17.19 | loopdee | there is a few other ones too |
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| 16:17.41 | loopdee | dont know if soundtracker can export to wav |
| 16:17.44 | peter__ | abrotman: while uploading I couldnt find name pool |
| 16:17.47 | abrotman | peter__: can't find it |
| 16:17.51 | peter__ | damn |
| 16:17.59 | peter__ | abrotman: I will try once again |
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| 16:19.19 | decan | greetings everybody...... |
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| 16:19.48 | albert | hi |
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| 16:20.32 | HardDisk_WP | loopdee, soundtracker doesnt support it |
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| 16:21.15 | peter__ | !pastebin |
| 16:21.15 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
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| 16:22.03 | rhsanborn | This may be a silly question, but, I know linux can be run from a usb key drive, knoppix for example. But when knoppix is run from a CD, it cannot be changed, can linux on a flash drive be used like a native linux install, i.e. changes will be there when you reboot? |
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| 16:23.07 | peter__ | abrotman: rafb.net/paste provides also file upload? |
| 16:23.16 | xand | rhsanborn: yes, it works as if the usb drive was a harddisk |
| 16:23.18 | loopdee | Soundtracker can save module as a wav then you can take that to a mp3 |
| 16:23.25 | stonekeeper | wth! i just installed etch and did an apt-get upgrade and it's moaning that the kernel update is installing the same running kernel!?!?! |
| 16:23.38 | cast | rhsanborn: y ou can change the knoppix fs, but its just not permanent :) [i think, i forget the name of the thing that does that] |
| 16:23.40 | abrotman | peter__: nope |
| 16:23.41 | loopdee | but doesnt support it ? |
| 16:23.53 | peter__ | !pastebin |
| 16:23.53 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 16:23.55 | cast | !tell stonekeeper about aptitude |
| 16:23.59 | abrotman | peter__: http://paste.debian.net/ does |
| 16:24.11 | rhsanborn | xand, great, thanks. I don't have my own desktop with me, I'mmm living with family/etc for the summer. It would be nice to have a dynamic system that was all my own. |
| 16:24.43 | stonekeeper | now i never knew that. Thanks cast. |
| 16:25.22 | cast | ahh unionfs is what its called - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnionFS |
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| 16:25.58 | rhsanborn | cast, but, if I don't use knoppix, I will probably be alright. Don't you think? |
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| 16:27.33 | xand | rhsanborn: just get a decent sized usb stick |
| 16:27.58 | cast | rhsanborn: definitely. you might have some fucking around with computers that support only usb-hdd booting, or only usb-zip, or neither |
| 16:28.01 | Adriano | I'm trying to understand where mpg123 is sending the audio: works well, but I can't find a thing in /dev where it could be pushing the bits |
| 16:28.10 | Adriano | no /dev/dsp |
| 16:28.16 | rhsanborn | xand, aye, I'm going to try and use a sd card with a reader, can get a 2-4 gig car |
| 16:28.17 | peter__ | abrotman: lol, I think I spamm whole paste.debian.net for mistake |
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| 16:28.23 | abrotman | cute |
| 16:28.30 | Adriano | card uses snd-cmipci |
| 16:28.38 | abrotman | peter__: at least you got it :) |
| 16:28.43 | peter__ | abrotman: yes, ;) |
| 16:28.44 | rhsanborn | cast, aye, at worst, I think can make a bootable CD that forces the computer to boot from a usb drive |
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| 16:29.11 | xand | rhsanborn: I have a 4GB usb stick which i might use for such a thing; i used a 1GB one before but it was very tight for space |
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| 16:29.48 | peter__ | abrotman: did you see te Xorg.0.log? is it bad? |
| 16:29.56 | hark | peter__: mesa? |
| 16:29.59 | rhsanborn | xand, aye, I'll have to b very seelective of the packages I will use. It won't b that hard though, I have a pretty small list of things I need a computer for |
| 16:29.59 | cast | lol @ is it bad |
| 16:30.14 | abrotman | peter__: so where are you trying ot use the mesa driver ? |
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| 16:30.32 | Adriano | hilfe? |
| 16:30.36 | rhsanborn | This is off topic, but I'm at the airport, and the security lady is putting on rubber gloves, wonder if I should be worried... |
| 16:30.41 | peter__ | abrotman: I was trying to use vesa, mesa and ati, and fglrx, no about them work |
| 16:30.50 | abrotman | peter__: mesa isn't a driver |
| 16:30.56 | abrotman | peter__: what is your video card ? |
| 16:30.58 | peter__ | abrotman: good to know |
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| 16:31.05 | peter__ | abrotman: ati radeon x700 mobility |
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| 16:31.24 | peter__ | I need to write it somewere "mesa isnt driver you fool" |
| 16:31.30 | abrotman | !fgrlx one-liner |
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| 16:31.36 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 16:31.36 | dpkg | i heard fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 16:31.55 | wols | peter__: where did you upload the log to? I can't see a url from you |
| 16:32.10 | rhsanborn | Thanks foir the help guys, I'm sure I'll be back as I try to put this flash drive together |
| 16:32.11 | peter__ | wols paste.debian.net/31987 |
| 16:32.13 | abrotman | http://paste.debian.net/31997 |
| 16:32.18 | abrotman | wols: one of about 10 :) |
| 16:32.28 | hark | wols: just pick any one from paste.debian.net ;) |
| 16:32.31 | peter__ | yes, well sorry to paste.debian.net |
| 16:32.50 | simmerz | how do I stop a NIC being associated with a particular MAC? I've installed debian as a vmware guest, then copied the image and amended the MAC address in the config, but debian thinks it's associated and won't let me use eth0 |
| 16:33.07 | wols | simmerz: associated? |
| 16:33.20 | eifzon | hmm, i am trying to install the nvidia drivers and i get this error: "be sure you got the kernel-source" how can i fix this? i am on debian-etch |
| 16:33.24 | mmlj4 | NICs are hard-coded with MACs |
| 16:33.25 | wols | and amended it in what config? |
| 16:33.44 | wols | eifzon: how are you trying to install it? nvidia.com drivers? |
| 16:33.49 | eifzon | wols: yes |
| 16:34.00 | wols | eifzon: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 16:34.07 | eifzon | wols: not needed |
| 16:34.18 | eifzon | it worked before, but now i have formatted my disk and just installed it again |
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| 16:34.25 | wols | eifzon: you apparently do. for your problem: ask nvidia.com, not us |
| 16:34.27 | eifzon | i dont just recogznie what to do |
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| 16:34.35 | wols | dpkg tells you what to do exactly |
| 16:34.43 | wols | if you don't want to: have your way |
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| 16:35.11 | peter__ | mhm I see |
| 16:35.47 | wols | peter__: use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and choose vesa. then paste that log if it doesn't work |
| 16:36.01 | simmerz | wols: config for the vmware image. why would two identical images have two different NICs being used? |
| 16:36.36 | wols | used for what? |
| 16:36.39 | wols | !vmware |
| 16:36.40 | dpkg | well, vmware is Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 16:36.46 | xand | simmerz: MAC addresses are programmed into NICs. |
| 16:36.59 | wols | and in case of virutal nics they are fully in software |
| 16:37.05 | wols | *virtual |
| 16:37.22 | simmerz | xand: yes and in vmware you can set the MAC manually. so I have done. I have two images (1) and (2). (2) is a direct copy of (1). |
| 16:37.42 | xand | simmerz: if you want to change the link between MAC and ethX number, edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 16:37.54 | simmerz | xand: that's what I was after. thanks |
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| 16:42.53 | peter__ | wols: abrotman works with vesa... so, when I have installed fglrx it is same as ati drivers? |
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| 16:43.30 | wols | peter__: no |
| 16:43.38 | wols | ati drivers and fglrx drivers are different |
| 16:43.38 | peter__ | wols: so, what is fglrx ? |
| 16:43.50 | wols | the proprietary driver made by AMD |
| 16:43.56 | wols | !fglrx |
| 16:43.56 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
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| 16:44.37 | agent | What happened to the vlc packages in testing? Were they renamed? |
| 16:44.44 | peter__ | wols:"binary driver made available by ati" - what does it means? its like opensource drivers? |
| 16:44.48 | hark | agent: removed |
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| 16:45.11 | agent | hark: Why? Is VLC non-free now? |
| 16:45.21 | wols | !why is vlc not in etch |
| 16:45.21 | dpkg | wols: what are you talking about? |
| 16:45.27 | wols | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 16:45.27 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 16:45.29 | abrotman | !info vlc sid |
| 16:45.33 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player and streamer), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.6.c-1+b2 (sid), Packaged size: 1127 kB, Installed size: 3044 kB |
| 16:45.34 | wols | peter__: I told you what it is. pay attention |
| 16:45.47 | abrotman | doesn't seem non-free to me |
| 16:45.58 | wols | of course it's not.it's a dependecy issue |
| 16:46.07 | loopdee | question about vncviewer, i looked through the man pages, didnt see this if its there, is there a switch for vncviewer to listen on a port for a server trying to connect to it |
| 16:46.27 | agent | Okay, thank you for clearing that up. :) |
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| 16:50.05 | loopdee | nm, it was at the top lol |
| 16:50.10 | loopdee | shows how much i pay attention |
| 16:50.25 | ariel | alquien habla espaĂąol |
| 16:50.32 | krazykit | !es |
| 16:50.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:51.19 | ariel | pero no puedo entrar a ese canal |
| 16:51.20 | HardDisk_WP | how can I dump everything what applications send to the speakers? |
| 16:51.27 | HardDisk_WP | !es |
| 16:51.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:51.37 | ariel | #debian-es |
| 16:52.54 | cast | loopdee: the search in more/less/most is handy |
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| 16:53.53 | eifzon | how can i fix this error? sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Jul 4 20:22:21 2007 |
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| 16:54.12 | wols | HardDisk_WP: /msg dpkg soundcheck |
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| 16:55.44 | HardDisk_WP | wols, no, my stuff works, i only want to capture the output of a game |
| 16:56.05 | abrotman | eifzon: still ? |
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| 16:56.37 | eifzon | abrotman: no, i just installed debian on neew computer |
| 16:56.41 | eifzon | abrotman: i got this error yes.. |
| 16:56.45 | eifzon | abrotman: and i forgot how to resolve it |
| 16:56.54 | cast | 'Personalized Results 1 - 10 of about 23,700 for sudo: timestamp too far in the future. (0.19 seconds) ' seems common enough |
| 16:56.55 | wols | HardDisk_WP: it shows you how to do that |
| 16:58.01 | eifzon | abrotman: you know how to resolve it? |
| 16:58.18 | abrotman | see cast |
| 16:58.24 | HardDisk_WP | <dpkg> Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 16:58.31 | HardDisk_WP | this is the only output from dpkg |
| 16:59.22 | wols | HardDisk_WP: yes. and it shows you how to redirect output to a soundcard |
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| 17:00.11 | pippijn | how do I add a make definition to a debian/rules file? |
| 17:00.12 | HardDisk_WP | wols, nope, I want to redirect that what comes to the soundcard |
| 17:00.21 | pippijn | like: make OPTION=1 |
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| 17:02.01 | piukeman | _ |
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| 17:03.29 | slack | hi |
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| 17:03.51 | slack | how i can launch on crontab any app to run one time for hour, all days |
| 17:03.52 | slack | ? |
| 17:03.56 | slack | 24 times at day |
| 17:04.18 | abrotman | 01 * * * * |
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| 17:04.49 | slack | thanks |
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| 17:05.06 | pippijn | does anyone know? |
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| 17:05.47 | cajetanus | <--- has problem with apt-get, would appreciate any help |
| 17:06.01 | cajetanus | How do you unselect all the packages that were kept back ? |
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| 17:06.41 | Azar | cajetanus: what was the apt-get command you did? |
| 17:06.49 | cajetanus | apt-get install |
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| 17:06.55 | cajetanus | <pkg-name> |
| 17:07.01 | ksdncv | did I miss something, or daily installer doesnt ask what to install and installs lots of useless stuff ? |
| 17:07.01 | cajetanus | then the dependencies fail |
| 17:07.07 | cajetanus | tried -dist-upgrade |
| 17:07.10 | cajetanus | no dice |
| 17:07.17 | Azar | cajetanus: probably kept back packages because would not resolve dependencies |
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| 17:07.26 | cajetanus | problem is that this machine is running PLESK |
| 17:07.31 | cajetanus | so there is another dpkg channel |
| 17:07.33 | abrotman | plesk isn't in debian |
| 17:07.35 | cajetanus | and it seems to conflict |
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| 17:07.53 | Azar | cajetanus: apt knows and will not install packages that will not solve dependencies, to protect your system |
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| 17:07.57 | cajetanus | abrotman: of course, but it is a dpkg and installs |
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| 17:08.23 | cajetanus | Azar - yes, I know, but how can I get it to unselect these packages? |
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| 17:08.39 | Azar | what is more important to you? the package you want or your system's stability? |
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| 17:09.00 | cajetanus | The problem is that it tries to install php4 which conflicts with Plesk version |
| 17:09.06 | cajetanus | so when plesk updates, I get problems |
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| 17:09.24 | cajetanus | I just want apt-get to not try to install php4 |
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| 17:09.44 | Azar | cajetanus: run the plesk version that "just works" with your Debian version |
| 17:09.45 | cajetanus | so basically removing from its install list all these conflicting packages |
| 17:10.04 | earthian | hello, i have noticed that i cant view video that is encoded by IV50 codec which i think belongs to Intel. Does anybody know about this? |
| 17:10.06 | cajetanus | Azar: it did work perfectly until version 8.1.1 which hosed something |
| 17:10.06 | Azar | cajetanus: the "kept back" packages will not be installed |
| 17:10.22 | earthian | How would i install a codec that is made for windows? want to use it on VLC :S |
| 17:10.25 | cajetanus | Is there a way to dselect them ? |
| 17:10.35 | abrotman | !hold |
| 17:10.35 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 17:10.44 | Azar | cajetanus: might be but your system will crash |
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| 17:11.05 | cajetanus | dpkg - thanks |
| 17:11.12 | stoned | man |
| 17:11.19 | stoned | I have no done a single minute of work |
| 17:11.27 | stoned | and I'm at work, past 3 hours I been watchin you tube |
| 17:11.29 | ksdncv | earthian dont know of vlc, but mplayer iirc can use windows codecs, would use that as last resort tho |
| 17:11.32 | Azar | stoned: is 4th of July, relax, have a beer |
| 17:11.38 | stoned | can't drink |
| 17:11.40 | stoned | im at work |
| 17:11.42 | stoned | :( |
| 17:11.42 | ksdncv | you need wine anyways |
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| 17:12.06 | stoned | wine is for the pompous pseudo sophisticated wannabes |
| 17:12.23 | stoned | beer is for the common average human |
| 17:12.26 | stoned | which is what I am |
| 17:12.55 | abrotman | Azar: it's 10am there |
| 17:12.59 | wols | stoned: and vodka is for the drunks like me |
| 17:13.08 | Azar | abrotman: same here :) |
| 17:13.18 | stoned | hell yeh |
| 17:13.20 | abrotman | Azar: it's not 10am here |
| 17:13.23 | ksdncv | watching what installer is installing, and half of it is going to get deleted as soon as installer ends, why does it even not ask now what to install ? |
| 17:13.25 | stoned | I only have one vice |
| 17:13.29 | stoned | doobery |
| 17:13.32 | Azar | ah... "there" |
| 17:13.33 | stoned | herbage |
| 17:13.41 | cajetanus | this command is useful: |
| 17:13.41 | cajetanus | apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes dist-upgrade |
| 17:13.44 | ksdncv | what a way to waste mirrors bandwidth and end user time :/ |
| 17:13.48 | Azar | stoned, you are into chamomille tea? |
| 17:13.57 | stoned | I don't even know what that is |
| 17:13.58 | cajetanus | get all sorts of messages : |
| 17:13.59 | cajetanus | Package php4-domxml has broken dep on php4-common |
| 17:14.04 | abrotman | ksdncv: are you using the netinst or soemthing else ? |
| 17:14.17 | ksdncv | netinst daily build |
| 17:14.24 | cajetanus | Package psa-php4-configurator has broken dep on libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 17:14.26 | ksdncv | weekly, sorry |
| 17:14.31 | cast | ksdncv: what packages? |
| 17:14.36 | ksdncv | http://saimei.acc.umu.se/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso |
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| 17:14.45 | abrotman | ksdncv: did you use tasksel ? |
| 17:14.53 | ksdncv | wait, not this iirc |
| 17:14.59 | Azar | cajetanus: just good to know, the Debian "stable" will never have / get package upgrades... only the next Debian release will have them. "upgrades" are only the security patches. |
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| 17:15.15 | wols | Azar: well, there will be new kernels :) |
| 17:15.19 | ksdncv | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso this one |
| 17:15.20 | cajetanus | Azar - thanks. |
| 17:15.29 | Azar | wols: ahhh yay, thanks |
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| 17:16.01 | cast | ksdncv: everyone loves debootstrap! :) |
| 17:16.11 | cajetanus | Azar: iI think the problem is here: Fixing psa-php4-configurator via keep of libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 17:16.15 | cast | well, at least, i feel they *should*. |
| 17:16.25 | cajetanus | psa-php4-configurator package is broken |
| 17:16.32 | ksdncv | it is even installing both xfce and gnome :/ |
| 17:16.43 | cajetanus | PLESK is a pain in the ASS! |
| 17:16.44 | Azar | cajetanus: for example say openoffice gets out a new version..... that will not apply to the Debian stable, Debian will only apply security upgrades towards a package like OpenOffice |
| 17:17.19 | cajetanus | PLESK = false security for customers, PITA for administrators !!! |
| 17:17.26 | Azar | wols: what was in Debian weekly news about php4 being removed from testing/unstable? |
| 17:17.29 | wols | !info psa-php4-configurator |
| 17:17.31 | ksdncv | even worse, some time ago recommended someone to install debian for a server, and later complained too it installed gnome on the server |
| 17:17.37 | wols | Azar: no clue |
| 17:17.46 | cajetanus | psa-php-configurator is a plesk dpkg |
| 17:17.47 | ksdncv | though he didnt see an option, but I didnt see it myself either now |
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| 17:17.48 | wols | I refuse to acknowledge php below v5 |
| 17:17.51 | cajetanus | it isn't debian |
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| 17:18.44 | cast | ksdncv: that sounds really, really, really odd. is what id expect to happen if you selected desktop environment in tasksel |
| 17:18.46 | cajetanus | if there is anyone out there using Plesk, DON'T install update 8.1.1.!!!!! |
| 17:18.55 | habeeb | Hello there. I've been using Ubuntu in my PPC laptop for a while, but I'm thinking of switching to Debian. Till now Ubuntu worked greatly in the hardware sector, I mean.. detecting hardware, automounting it, puting it to the desktop. Will I have the same great results with Debian? |
| 17:19.04 | Ronin | ksdncv: thats the users problem then if it installed gnome on a server, i suspect they didnt read and understand what they were being asked by the installer |
| 17:19.13 | Azar | wols: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/05/msg00126.html |
| 17:19.23 | rhsanborn | Has anyone here installed debian onto a USB hard drive? Do you know how difficult/possible it is? |
| 17:19.24 | cajetanus | habeeb: welcome to your roots, man |
| 17:19.45 | cast | habeeb: what does the "Till now" relate to out of curiosity? |
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| 17:19.56 | ksdncv | didnt even see myself that option either :/, and installed carefully checking every step the installer asked |
| 17:20.00 | smacnay | anyone using gcstar and find that all information lookups do not complete? |
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| 17:20.11 | ksdncv | if there was a question of what install, it was not visible at all |
| 17:20.14 | cajetanus | There isn't too many differences between Ubuntu and Debian, but Debian I think is far more solid |
| 17:20.15 | habeeb | cast: Should I take it that the answer is, yes? |
| 17:20.23 | Ronin | ksdncv: it was in sarge and etch when i installed it |
| 17:20.35 | habeeb | cajetanus: I see. But well, will it have MTP device support enabled by default, etc? |
| 17:20.58 | smacnay | habeeb: MTP? |
| 17:21.03 | habeeb | I'm gonna take the laptop in a trip without internets and stuff, so I would like to be sure that everything works. Any external HD that my friends bring, etc. |
| 17:21.07 | Azar | habeeb: the current Debian Etch / stable has a great user-friendly installer. The hardware is auto-detected |
| 17:21.13 | habeeb | smacnay: yes, like a Creative Zen. |
| 17:21.15 | cajetanus | Media tranfer protocol?? |
| 17:21.25 | ksdncv | when I installed woody here saw it too, but now installing on new pc didnt see anything at all related to it, I usually like to install bare minimum for apt-get and apt-get myself later all additional stuff |
| 17:21.30 | OceanSpray | MTP? |
| 17:21.37 | smacnay | habeeb: ah, I have a simple MUVO player |
| 17:21.44 | cajetanus | MTP -> Amarok stuff ?? |
| 17:21.47 | OceanSpray | I got a clix that I've been (unsuccessfully) trying to get to work in linux |
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| 17:21.52 | OceanSpray | any pointers? |
| 17:22.05 | habeeb | cajetanus: no. it's a protocol or something. Creative Zen V/M use it for example. |
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| 17:22.12 | cast | habeeb: oh. i'm not commenting yes or no ;) sounds like ubuntu was flawless for you, can't see how you can improve on that |
| 17:22.25 | L0cKn | hello :D |
| 17:22.34 | Azar | habeeb: lots of 3rd party non-free software are NOT included with Debian, you will have to install them separately |
| 17:22.40 | cajetanus | habeeb, understood. Well, no idea if it installs by default, but certainly can't be more than an apt-get away |
| 17:22.44 | ksdncv | totem-xine ? isnt that kde too ? |
| 17:22.44 | habeeb | cast: Not that flawless. From the point that Canonical stopped the official support of the platform, reps are dying etc. |
| 17:23.20 | Azar | welcome to the great advantage of "release not so often" |
| 17:23.30 | cajetanus | difference between ubuntu and debian is that at times you have to add channels to dpkg manager in order to get non-free stuff |
| 17:23.33 | Azar | where is Sam H to see that? |
| 17:23.44 | abrotman | ksdncv: no |
| 17:23.46 | habeeb | cajetanus: "channels" ? |
| 17:24.05 | cajetanus | habeeb: like in Ubuntu's 'software repositories' in Synaptic |
| 17:24.09 | smacnay | I think he meant sources. |
| 17:24.16 | habeeb | Aw. |
| 17:24.17 | cajetanus | sorry, I meant sources |
| 17:24.19 | Azar | wow they don't edit the /sources.list file :) |
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| 17:24.32 | cast | habeeb: ahh. so thats what the 'till now' meant |
| 17:24.37 | habeeb | Azar: I do. Never liked Synaptic. |
| 17:25.02 | jzxu | how do I get dpkg to tell me the canonical make-kpkg command? |
| 17:25.08 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu |
| 17:25.09 | Azar | habeeb: well, try Debian but be warned... less support here for non-free... |
| 17:25.32 | habeeb | What do you mean non-free? |
| 17:25.40 | habeeb | I know what non-free is, but could I have an example? |
| 17:25.44 | cajetanus | non-free is big problem: contra GPL |
| 17:25.56 | cast | habeeb: flash |
| 17:25.59 | abrotman | !Non-free |
| 17:25.59 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 17:26.00 | Azar | habeeb: packages that are not included/recommended by Debian, gadgets that involve non-free software |
| 17:26.14 | ksdncv | habeeb an example, nvidia drivers for geforce cards |
| 17:26.34 | habeeb | I see. |
| 17:26.37 | Azar | well hardware drivers might be a "must" that somewhat is understood |
| 17:26.59 | cajetanus | Debian = pure GPL, like Pharisees - Ubuntu = trying to wed non-free/free like Saducees |
| 17:27.16 | abrotman | not pure GPL ... |
| 17:27.24 | h3sp4wn | Debian still has non-free - ubuntu has restricted or whatever |
| 17:27.26 | Azar | ... as it should |
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| 17:27.48 | abrotman | cajetanus: the stuff in main meets the DFSG .. things like postgresql are not GPL but still in main |
| 17:27.58 | cajetanus | correction taken |
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| 17:28.15 | cajetanus | postrgresql is still free as in source available, etc. |
| 17:28.19 | cast | non-free is handy for GFDL stuff, too |
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| 17:28.37 | abrotman | cajetanus: sure .. it's BSDL |
| 17:28.43 | cajetanus | like some BSD license stuff is also in main I believe |
| 17:28.46 | abrotman | IIRC anyways |
| 17:28.55 | Azar | debian should not compete with proprietary software by using proprietary software |
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| 17:29.04 | cast | cajetanus: certainly, but rather than saying GPL say 'free software' :) since GPL is only a subset |
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| 17:29.24 | azeem | cajetanus: BSD is *totally fine* for Debian main |
| 17:29.40 | themill | abrotman: BSD licence doesn't *always* mean that the source is available if you have the binary. Think win32 TCP/IP stack. |
| 17:29.46 | cajetanus | but I believe MIT license is not, or am I mistaken ? |
| 17:29.53 | azeem | cajetanus: as well |
| 17:29.59 | abrotman | TheMagician: i'm aware of what it means |
| 17:30.02 | cajetanus | Apache had problems if I remember some 10 years ago |
| 17:30.02 | abrotman | themill: |
| 17:30.08 | themill | cajetanus: MIT is fine |
| 17:30.10 | azeem | there's some broken variants of that, but the 3-clause BSD and regular MIT license are fine |
| 17:30.11 | abrotman | i'm not aware of how to work my irc client :) |
| 17:30.22 | Azar | hehe |
| 17:30.27 | themill | abrotman: :) |
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| 17:31.43 | Azar | I agree that in order to have some essential hardware functionality a compromise is made, but I don't agree on compromises involving use of frivolous non-essential software only because "other distros have them" |
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| 17:32.43 | streuner | you think someone is care what you saying about? |
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| 17:32.53 | Azar | streuner: I am sure not... |
| 17:33.04 | cajetanus | attention do not feed the troll.... |
| 17:33.49 | streuner | cajetanus: if you want discuss licenses discuss that elsewhere |
| 17:33.52 | Azar | some come in here stomping: "i want mirc, xdistro has it, why debian does not" (mirc as example)... wtf is mirc essential to Debian don't have idea |
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| 17:34.45 | cajetanus | discuss license discuss debian is |
| 17:35.22 | Azar | meh, going on the patio barbequing my beef :) |
| 17:36.13 | Benny_ | mm beef |
| 17:36.15 | streuner | cajetanus: true, but keep in mind other people make those decisions |
| 17:36.41 | streuner | and if you want change something, you should discuss that with them |
| 17:36.58 | cajetanus | streuner: of course, but this channel I believe is for discussing debian, so I believe we can rant and rave about this or that license |
| 17:37.22 | cajetanus | Plus I was thinking of adding some software to main which I wrote under BSD license, where else to discuss it than here ??? |
| 17:37.31 | streuner | discussing about license-issuses sounds mostly to me like trolling here |
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| 17:39.15 | bronaugh | hmm; anyone here have experience with nfsv4? |
| 17:39.29 | bronaugh | trying to get it working. I've got v3 working, but v4 chokes, usually reporting something like... |
| 17:39.31 | azeem | bronaugh: try to ask a specific question, and/or describe your problems |
| 17:39.36 | azeem | ok. |
| 17:39.41 | ubsafder | anyone got a debian on nslu2 |
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| 17:39.52 | bronaugh | mount: block device 192.168.1.1:/home/data is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 17:39.55 | bronaugh | mount: cannot mount block device 192.168.1.1:/home/data read-only |
| 17:40.24 | bronaugh | anyhow, I've strace'd mount -- the mount call fails, it retries it read-only, and that fails too. |
| 17:40.41 | azeem | anything more verbose in syslog, maybe? |
| 17:40.42 | bronaugh | what could be going wrong here / what else should I be looking at / looking for? |
| 17:40.53 | bronaugh | azeem: not really. I checked, and there's no spew on either end. |
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| 17:41.15 | peter__ | abrotman: so, If I can ask a question. Now I have install some fglrx things as you said. And set "vesa" in my xorg.conf. Should I install drivers from Ati.amd.com? |
| 17:41.41 | abrotman | uhm .. no |
| 17:41.47 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 17:41.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 17:41.57 | Benny_ | azeem: I'm bengrubb from the other irc, I ended up getting my debian all fixed :) |
| 17:42.00 | abrotman | when you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg . choose fglrx from the list |
| 17:42.12 | peter__ | abrotman: ah I see |
| 17:42.19 | azeem | Benny_: great! |
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| 17:42.44 | Benny_ | azeem: yup, just kept gathering all the dependancies |
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| 17:43.12 | cajetanus | bronaugh - are you mounting through fstab? |
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| 17:43.20 | bronaugh | cajetanus: no. |
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| 17:43.55 | bronaugh | cajetanus: doing it on the command line, because that way I can retry easily and it's more clear what's going on. |
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| 17:44.18 | streuner | cajetanus: /j |
| 17:44.33 | streuner | cajetanus: /j #debian-devel or #debian-legal (OFTC) |
| 17:44.51 | cajetanus | have you tried mount -o vers=3 server:/directory /destination |
| 17:44.58 | azeem | cajetanus: eh, as I said, BSD is fine |
| 17:45.04 | azeem | see /usr/share/common-licenses/BSD |
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| 17:45.16 | cajetanus | Azeem: thanks for info |
| 17:45.19 | bronaugh | cajetanus: yes, and that works. |
| 17:45.31 | bronaugh | cajetanus: it's just v4 that doesn't, in any form; with or without kerberos auth. |
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| 17:45.42 | cajetanus | bronaugh: try adding to /etc/exports: |
| 17:46.00 | bronaugh | oh, except now v3 fails. |
| 17:46.02 | bronaugh | argh. |
| 17:46.42 | bronaugh | cajetanus: anyhow, continue. |
| 17:46.51 | bronaugh | /home/data *(rw,fsid=0,no_subtree_check) |
| 17:46.55 | bronaugh | that's what /etc/exports says now. |
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| 17:47.15 | cajetanus | sorry got disconnected |
| 17:48.22 | bronaugh | cajetanus: continue with what I should try adding to /etc/exports... |
| 17:48.24 | bronaugh | /home/data *(rw,fsid=0,no_subtree_check) |
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| 17:48.27 | bronaugh | that's what's currently there. |
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| 17:48.44 | cajetanus | try adding the 'insecure' keyword |
| 17:48.53 | bronaugh | I'll try that for v3. |
| 17:48.57 | cajetanus | as well as 'no_root_squash' |
| 17:49.13 | cajetanus | the insecure will allow requests from non-reserved ports |
| 17:49.23 | cajetanus | I had that problem on a Solaris client |
| 17:49.37 | bronaugh | cajetanus: yeah, I've used that before. no change. |
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| 17:49.45 | cajetanus | I would add 'sync' too, but that is just me |
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| 17:49.57 | bronaugh | 1073741824 1 tcp 42496 |
| 17:49.57 | kencausey | What's the deal with erlang in unstable? |
| 17:49.59 | bronaugh | this is kinda screwed. |
| 17:50.09 | bronaugh | from rpcinfo |
| 17:50.15 | bronaugh | mountd isn't running. |
| 17:50.20 | cajetanus | are you using NIS as well ? |
| 17:50.39 | bronaugh | no |
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| 17:51.05 | cajetanus | so you are just getting the permissions error? |
| 17:51.08 | dondelelcaro | kencausey: what about it? |
| 17:51.22 | cajetanus | are you using nfs acls ? |
| 17:51.37 | kencausey | dondelelcaro: I haven't been able to upgrade it now for several days, unmet dependencies. |
| 17:51.53 | bronaugh | cajetanus: not afaik, no |
| 17:52.00 | cajetanus | if so, just do -o acl=nfs4+max |
| 17:52.02 | bronaugh | mountd isn't running, though; that's the main reason that v3 mounts fail. |
| 17:52.12 | kencausey | dondelelcaro: Oh wait, maybe I can force it |
| 17:52.15 | cajetanus | well, looks like you have to restart the service... |
| 17:52.28 | cajetanus | maybe try -o noacl |
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| 17:52.57 | cajetanus | I used to get these errors because my fstab had mount read-only and root |
| 17:52.59 | kencausey | dondelelcaro: No it's looking for 1:11.b.4-4 versions but can't find them. |
| 17:53.06 | cajetanus | but looks like you might have a bigger problem |
| 17:53.30 | dondelelcaro | kencausey: it's just because erlang-nox hasn't been built. Check the bts, and you'll find #431149 |
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| 17:53.51 | bronaugh | huh; wierd. wonder why mountd doesn't start... |
| 17:53.58 | kencausey | dondelelcaro: Well, same story for other erlang-* too, but thanks. |
| 17:54.00 | cajetanus | look syslog |
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| 17:54.16 | cajetanus | ought to have some exit error at least |
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| 17:54.45 | dondelelcaro | kencausey: the other erlang-*; are dependencies of erlang. If they can't be installed, apt and/or aptitude won't upgrade them. |
| 17:54.51 | bronaugh | cajetanus: it doesn't. I started mountd manually, and now I can mount v3... |
| 17:54.56 | bronaugh | but now we're back to problems mounting v4. |
| 17:55.02 | bronaugh | mount: special device 192.168.1.1:/home/data does not exist |
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| 17:55.46 | tzfardea | Hey I have problem with the nvidia driver, when I install it then it starts x and it works fine but in the next time I'm trying to startx it just shows me black window and installing the driver again works, how can I solve this problem? |
| 17:56.04 | cajetanus | that's a kerberos error I believe |
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| 17:56.08 | legion | yo |
| 17:56.20 | bronaugh | cajetanus: ok, but I'm not trying to auth with kerberos. |
| 17:56.40 | bronaugh | cajetanus: regardless, rpc.svcgssd is failing because of some keytab error; so I should probably solve that. |
| 17:56.44 | bronaugh | (on the server) |
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| 17:57.17 | h3sp4wn | tzfardea: don't use the nvidia.com installer then /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 17:57.46 | tzfardea | h3sp4wn, ok I'll check it :) |
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| 17:58.42 | cajetanus | bronaugh: what is your output from |
| 17:58.45 | cajetanus | fdisk -l |
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| 17:59.53 | bronaugh | cajetanus: I don't see how that's relevant; it's all on RAID. |
| 18:00.01 | cajetanus | ah |
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| 18:01.02 | js_ | does anybody here recommend bacula over backuppc? |
| 18:01.19 | bronaugh | amanda is from what I have heard one of the less shitty backup options. |
| 18:01.51 | bronaugh | dunno anything about the other 2 you mentioned. |
| 18:01.59 | js_ | i see |
| 18:02.12 | ksdncv | seems will spend some serious time building the biggest black list of cleanup ever made |
| 18:02.17 | js_ | ive been using backuppc for a while and it runs well.. but im setting up a new backup system now so im checking other options |
| 18:02.32 | cast | rdiff-backup is pretty neat [incremental mirror] |
| 18:03.57 | cajetanus | rsync to server share works for me |
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| 18:06.28 | ksdncv | ok, there is no doubt, "select and install programs" (or whatever is translated) while installer in experte mode, went back to it, doesnt ask anything at all, just install whatever it wants |
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| 18:07.41 | dondelelcaro | ksdncv: it has to isntall the base system; the other packages that are installed are done according to whatever else is selected in tasksel. You later select the packages you want using aptitude. |
| 18:08.07 | dondelelcaro | (the option should be something like "manually install packages" or similar) |
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| 18:09.34 | ksdncv | dondelelcaro, gnome doesnt seem for me too much of "base" system |
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| 18:09.53 | peter__ | !vesa |
| 18:09.53 | dpkg | VESA, arguable at least, stands for "video electronics standards association" and is a mode that can be used on vid cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. not accelerated |
| 18:09.54 | ksdncv | or gimp, nor openoffice, nor totem-xine, and so |
| 18:10.09 | dondelelcaro | ksdncv: you had desktop selected, then. |
| 18:10.35 | peter__ | !glx |
| 18:10.36 | dpkg | methinks glx is OpenGL Extension to the X Window System |
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| 18:10.44 | peter__ | !ati |
| 18:10.44 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com |
| 18:10.44 | ksdncv | havent seen any question of what install during all the instalation |
| 18:10.52 | dondelelcaro | peter__: please /msg the bug |
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| 18:10.55 | dondelelcaro | s/bug/bot/ |
| 18:11.05 | peter__ | don_inlab, ? |
| 18:11.12 | abrotman | peter__: /msg dpkg hi |
| 18:11.15 | dondelelcaro | peter__: use /msg dpkg foothing; don't use !. |
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| 18:11.30 | peter__ | ah, I understand |
| 18:11.32 | peter__ | sorry |
| 18:11.32 | ksdncv | going to install soon another pc, so will have another chance to check, but i'm sure it didnt even ask at any point |
| 18:11.42 | dondelelcaro | ksdncv: the very screen that you were quoting from is the screen that gives you the option of what to install. |
| 18:11.56 | ksdncv | it didnt ask anything |
| 18:12.00 | dondelelcaro | ksdncv: there aren't very many options, because it just has a list of tasks. |
| 18:12.03 | ksdncv | goes straight to install things |
| 18:12.08 | dondelelcaro | ksdncv: no, it doesn't. |
| 18:12.22 | abrotman | he is using the XFCE CD1 |
| 18:12.34 | dondelelcaro | the xfce cd should still be using tasksel |
| 18:12.35 | abrotman | does that auto install the task ? |
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| 18:14.15 | dondelelcaro | I can't imagine it doing so; AFAIK the only difference with those cds is the set of packages, possibly a slightly different desktop task too. |
| 18:14.21 | ksdncv | someone about a month ago installed debian on a server from normal installation cd, and complained me (I recommended him using debian) that it installed gnome without asking, so tried xfce so at least installs xfce which is smaller and the one I'm going to use parts of, and stil, it didnt ask, just installed things, even gnome |
| 18:14.51 | abrotman | ksdncv: then they used tasksel |
| 18:14.58 | dondelelcaro | ksdncv: it's most likely a case where the tasksel screen wasn't obvious to whoever it was that it was selecting packages. |
| 18:15.00 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i am tracking sid dist. when i launch konsole it says it needs rw access to pty and exits. a search on the web said something about suid bit for kgrantpty, i verfied that. i am unable to launch eterm, xterm |
| 18:15.18 | dondelelcaro | ksdncv: since getting gnome without asking is the desktop task, and that is what is selected by default. |
| 18:15.24 | bronaugh | thelostbutler: is the ptyfs mounted? |
| 18:15.34 | dondelelcaro | (but you do have to press return at the tasksel screen) |
| 18:15.41 | bronaugh | devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620) |
| 18:15.44 | ksdncv | dondelelcaro, have been searching for this screen myself during complete installation since wanted to install bare minimum to apt-get all remaining things, and havent seen myself either that screen |
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| 18:16.12 | cajetanus | bronaugh: can't think of anything more help for nfs4 ... sorry. |
| 18:16.23 | bronaugh | cajetanus: no worries, it was helpful anyhow. |
| 18:16.32 | bronaugh | cajetanus: got me to probe around the right places. |
| 18:17.11 | cajetanus | will meditate a little on it though. I've never done NFS with RAID - |
| 18:17.21 | bronaugh | the raid isn't much of a complication. |
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| 18:17.24 | ksdncv | have saved install logs before finishing isntall, is there some log that can be useful for tracking this issue ? |
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| 18:18.05 | thelostbutler | bronaugh: no it is not mounted |
| 18:18.11 | bronaugh | thelostbutler: mount it :) |
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| 18:18.20 | bronaugh | thelostbutler: then all your terminals will likely work. |
| 18:18.30 | ksdncv | doesnt seem to be any log of what installer did, just the installation of packages |
| 18:18.43 | bronaugh | thelostbutler: alternatively, make sure udev is installed and running. |
| 18:18.47 | bronaugh | thelostbutler: afaik it mounts that fs |
| 18:18.50 | dondelelcaro | ksdncv: http://blog.thedebianuser.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/screenshot-qemu-46.png <-- this is the task selection |
| 18:18.59 | peter__ | abrotman, dpkg says If I would like to use ati drivers fglrx I should install them from stanchina.net/blablabla. But there are 8.28.8-5. On ati.amd.com they give you 8.38.6. fglrxinfo shows 8.37.6... so dpkg is just saying old history ? |
| 18:19.01 | dondelelcaro | ksdncv: and yes, there is a log of what the installer did; it's in /var/log/ |
| 18:19.08 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, there used to be) |
| 18:19.11 | abrotman | peter__: that's wrong |
| 18:19.16 | ksdncv | this screen didnt appear at all |
| 18:19.18 | abrotman | peter__: /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner |
| 18:19.22 | stoned | im back at home |
| 18:19.30 | thelostbutler | bronaugh: hmmn. i see udev when starting up. how do i mount it though and where ? |
| 18:19.39 | bronaugh | thelostbutler: well.... |
| 18:19.41 | ksdncv | dondelelcaro, try setting language to install in spanish, is the only difference I can think of |
| 18:19.48 | pingouin_ | where can i learn to configure my keyboard with xorg and debian ? |
| 18:19.52 | dondelelcaro | ksdncv: I almost guarantee it did, cause if it didn't, you wouldn't have been able to install anything. |
| 18:20.00 | bronaugh | thelostbutler: mount -t devpts devpts /dev/pts |
| 18:20.01 | ksdncv | installer disk used is this http://saimei.acc.umu.se/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 18:20.01 | bronaugh | should work. |
| 18:20.02 | dondelelcaro | ksdncv: it's the step immediately before where it starts to install packages. |
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| 18:20.18 | cajetanus | Bronaugh: this showed up in google groups : |
| 18:20.19 | thelostbutler | bronaugh: udev is mounted on /dev type tmpfs 755 . |
| 18:20.19 | cajetanus | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/b750969e6e95a840/7bd1d504e1eb76ee?lnk=st&q=debian+nfs4+mount+device+not+exist&rnum=1&hl=en#7bd1d504e1eb76ee |
| 18:21.19 | bronaugh | cajetanus: joy. doesn't sound like it's what's affecting me, but interesting to know. |
| 18:21.54 | stoned | does anyone know if there are etch backports for kde 3.5.7 |
| 18:22.05 | stoned | I can't seem to find any on google |
| 18:22.16 | stoned | lest I backport them myself |
| 18:22.23 | thelostbutler | bronaugh: thanks. it works now. if i reboot and udev doesn't automatically mount it , how do i go about debuggin what causing it fail to mount ? |
| 18:22.47 | dondelelcaro | ksdncv: and you really should be using the etch d-i cds, as the testing ones could be in any state of brokenness. |
| 18:22.50 | pingouin_ | when i want to mount a windows directory on my linux with : mount -t smbfs //PHPASRV01/folder /mnt/Winwin/ -o me=password |
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| 18:23.17 | pingouin_ | i got an : cli_negprot: SMB signing is mandatory and we have disabled it. |
| 18:23.20 | pingouin_ | error |
| 18:23.21 | bronaugh | thelostbutler: I think when this happened to me I used strace |
| 18:23.38 | ksdncv | have been using testing since woody without any problems |
| 18:24.13 | pingouin_ | so i tried with : smbmount -t smbfs -o username=me,password=mypass //PHPASRV01/folder /mnt/Winwin/ |
| 18:24.16 | thelostbutler | bronaugh: hmmn. but udev mounting it happens during run levels ? so do i add strace to one of the init scripts ? |
| 18:24.23 | pingouin_ | but the same, any idea how to solve this ? |
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| 18:24.29 | bronaugh | thelostbutler: as to why udev isn't mounting it - I don't know. |
| 18:24.32 | dondelelcaro | ksdncv: that's great, but the CDs you are showing me are weekly builds of the d-i repository. At any moment they could be completely broken, since it's just a build of a checkout. |
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| 18:24.58 | dondelelcaro | ksdncv: I don't care if you run testing, but using those CDs and complaining about things that the installer does isn't terribly productive. |
| 18:25.18 | thelostbutler | bronaugh: thank you. for the suggestion |
| 18:25.24 | dondelelcaro | (since even if it does do things incorrectly, it's probably already changed now) |
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| 18:25.31 | ksdncv | since what is on those cds, specially the installer is going to be the next one as stable, fixing problems in it would be useful imho |
| 18:25.35 | peter__ | abrotman, I have read this when was problem with startx. I have installed as it says and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Right now flgrxinfo shows 8.37.6 is it correct ? |
| 18:26.01 | abrotman | peter__: did you look in the log to see what the error is now ? |
| 18:26.05 | dondelelcaro | ksdncv: if that was actually a released that had been blessed for testing by the d-i team, sure. But that's not the case. |
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| 18:26.46 | dondelelcaro | (in fact, those builds have even been disabled for the time being) |
| 18:26.49 | peter__ | abrotman, but there is no error ? X works fine, there is native resolution on my widescreen - 1280x800. Im just asking if 8.37.6 are right |
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| 18:29.14 | peter__ | abrotman, /msg dpkg shows some site with old drivers 8.28.5, right now I have 8.37.6, and on ati.amd.com there are drivers 8.38.6, I need to know if I should install drivers from ati.amd.com. Damn is it so hard or Im just to stupid to understand this? |
| 18:29.36 | fat-lobyte | Hi! I cant access my scanner device with normal user, but i can with root. How can I change permissions for the scanner? |
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| 18:30.49 | abrotman | peter__: oh .. stachio's site is very out of date |
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| 18:31.39 | kenboo | how can i get IP of the machine? is there better way than ifconfig eth0 |awk '/inet addr:/{ print substr($2, 6); }' |
| 18:31.50 | vorpal | fat-lobyte: set group permissions on the device file, and add your user to the group. you need to re-login |
| 18:32.05 | wols | vorpal: external or internal ip? |
| 18:32.11 | wols | kenboo: ^^ |
| 18:32.26 | kenboo | er...the one assigned to eth0 |
| 18:32.33 | fat-lobyte | vorpal, do you know what device file it is? |
| 18:32.34 | wols | peter__: /msg dpkg ati one-liner |
| 18:32.35 | bronaugh | kenboo: I think that you might be able to get it in a slightly cleaner way using ip |
| 18:32.36 | wols | that is all you need |
| 18:32.42 | peter__ | abrotman, ok, so now I understand that my fglrx drivers are more new then on stachio`s site. I have installed drivers as dpkg said... and fglrx shows 8.37.6 - but on ati.amd.com are 8.38.6. It means they are new one... should I install them ? |
| 18:32.55 | bronaugh | "ip addr" |
| 18:32.57 | wols | peter__: only if you want to be on your own |
| 18:32.57 | kenboo | oh...i didn't know 'ip' command exists |
| 18:33.03 | abrotman | peter__: if it works .. i wouldn't |
| 18:33.04 | kenboo | thanks |
| 18:33.24 | bronaugh | ip addr show eth0 |
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| 18:33.32 | peter__ | wols, but I have install drivers as dpkg said, but the drivers that I have installed are older than on ati.amd.com |
| 18:33.49 | peter__ | abrotman, that is answer I was needed :) |
| 18:33.57 | bronaugh | kenboo: as I said, I don't know if it's really much easier to parse. |
| 18:34.00 | abrotman | peter__: unless those drivers fix a problem you have .. i wouldn't bother |
| 18:34.02 | bronaugh | just a different way. |
| 18:34.15 | kenboo | bronaugh, i'll look into the options |
| 18:34.46 | peter__ | abrotman, on #winehq they are telling me that I should install drivers from ati.amd.com for wine and games run correctly |
| 18:35.06 | abrotman | peter__: are they going to help you if they don't install correctly ? |
| 18:35.34 | peter__ | abrotman, they says that if it dont works it means I dont have new drivers from ati.amd.com :) |
| 18:35.44 | peter__ | abrotman, and they cant help me :) |
| 18:35.44 | abrotman | peter__: but ti does work ... |
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| 18:36.07 | peter__ | abrotman, as now, yes. X are working, I will try right now wine and some game |
| 18:36.13 | abrotman | good plan |
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| 18:37.45 | ksdncv | wow, it actually instaleld kde stuff too, xfce, gnome and kde all in one installer that doesnt even ask |
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| 18:38.23 | stoned | tasksel? |
| 18:38.40 | stoned | the desktop env. might install all 3 |
| 18:38.53 | stoned | I think it does, might have happened to me, I can't remember |
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| 18:40.36 | dererk | does anyone around have a debian fw/router to check? |
| 18:40.52 | dererk | I think there's a problem with /etc/sysctl.conf file |
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| 18:46.11 | nite613_ | What does it usually mean when my load is high and top reports that over 97% is "wa" (waiting?) |
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| 18:46.32 | bronaugh | nite613_: disk activity. |
| 18:46.34 | goban | if i get openvz hosting do i shill have ssh access? zen lists console under features but vz doenst |
| 18:46.42 | bronaugh | nite613_: processes are waiting on system calls to finish. |
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| 18:47.09 | nite613_ | bronaugh: I thought so, thanks |
| 18:47.10 | goban | how would i do anything without console? |
| 18:47.25 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 18:47.44 | nite613_ | bronaugh: Is there an easy way to see which syscalls are causing the hangup, or do I isolate the process causing the load and strace it? |
| 18:47.54 | bronaugh | nite613_: you can kind of use vmstat |
| 18:48.01 | bronaugh | other than that, I don't know |
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| 18:48.50 | glombool | Does the debian zabbix-server-mysql add a password to the default Admin account? |
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| 18:50.44 | stoned | the fuck |
| 18:51.10 | wols | it's a brazilian asshole? what do you expect? |
| 18:51.24 | geo-rge | for it to be wide? |
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| 18:56.24 | tzfardea | Hey, when I run bzflag I get the error "Segmentation fault", what can I do? |
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| 18:58.49 | pm2 | Hi - If I'm configuring my network interfaces manually, which file do I store the gateway address in? |
| 18:59.00 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 18:59.00 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
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| 19:02.21 | pm2 | abrotman, thanks |
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| 19:02.27 | Exy | What's the LANG for Spanish? |
| 19:02.45 | abrotman | es_<something>.whatever |
| 19:02.52 | stoned | install hydrogen |
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| 19:02.55 | stoned | oop |
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| 19:05.07 | Exy | abrotman, I'd guessed that much :/ |
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| 19:05.54 | abrotman | then why'd you ask ? |
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| 19:06.16 | Adriano | Exy: es_ES for spain |
| 19:06.23 | Adriano | which one do you need? |
| 19:06.42 | solemnwarning | Is there a way I can view the amount of physical RAM in a machine from xen dom0? |
| 19:06.46 | Exy | Thanks |
| 19:06.54 | Exy | abrotman, BEcause I needed the WHOLE thing, obviously |
| 19:07.12 | abrotman | did you generate any .es locales ? |
| 19:07.23 | Adriano | there's a good 15 es_ locales, at least |
| 19:07.33 | Adriano | and spanish is not _SP |
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| 19:08.32 | Exy | What is German? |
| 19:08.32 | TrueDD | Salut ŕ tous |
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| 19:08.38 | Adriano | DE? |
| 19:08.43 | Adriano | de_DE? |
| 19:08.50 | Exy | Ah, should have guessed |
| 19:08.56 | SamuraiDio | how can i check/edit the default browser of my system? |
| 19:09.12 | abrotman | update-alternatives .. and in gnome there's an additional applet |
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| 19:09.35 | Crack92 | hi everybody! |
| 19:10.36 | Crack92 | who know a repository for install beryl on debian lenny? |
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| 19:11.56 | Ronin | !tell Crack92 about beryl |
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| 19:17.21 | edistar | hey, anyone here who can help me with the /etc/sudoers file? |
| 19:17.46 | edistar | I need to set a group to be allowed to execute one specific binary... |
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| 19:19.21 | glombool | Why can I not log in to my Zabbix web frontend!? I just installed it. Does anyone know? |
| 19:19.45 | glombool | The Admin, no pass does not work. |
| 19:19.50 | glombool | Is this a debian package thing? |
| 19:20.19 | Ronin | glombool: does it log? check them if so |
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| 19:21.07 | glombool | Ronin: zabbix is logging, but the login attempts don't show up in that log... should they be in the apache2 log? |
| 19:21.38 | Ronin | glombool: possibly or the apache error log, never ran zabbix so take it at what it's worth |
| 19:22.19 | glombool | Ronin: Nope, nothing at all |
| 19:22.33 | Ronin | glombool: zabbix manual |
| 19:22.39 | glombool | Ronin: I read it. |
| 19:23.05 | glombool | Ronin: It says to log in as Admin with no pass. Didn't work. I edited the database and changed the existing password. Still unable to log in. |
| 19:23.20 | glombool | I checked all the conf files, they are correct |
| 19:24.23 | glombool | I tried the zabbix chat room, no one there can help |
| 19:27.21 | minus | Ehm.. Guys. The noob is back.. I have this LVM setup.. And /dev/sdb2 is belonging to the VG swirl but i think i got to do pvcreate to make it usable for puting stuff on it.. |
| 19:27.26 | minus | Can someone please guide me? |
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| 19:28.24 | geo-rge | well you have to have a pv before it can be a part of a vg |
| 19:29.15 | geo-rge | you're saying you put the partition in the vg before making it a pv? |
| 19:29.25 | minus | ehm.. Its already a part ov a VG... or.. hm.. |
| 19:29.34 | geo-rge | see if you can take it out of the vol group |
| 19:29.36 | minus | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.36 | minus | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.46 | geo-rge | it's COMPLETELY empty, right? |
| 19:29.47 | minus | It says PV.. |
| 19:29.51 | minus | Yeah.. |
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| 19:30.01 | minus | atleast /dev/sdb2 is |
| 19:30.08 | minus | sdb1 isnt.. |
| 19:30.20 | geo-rge | ok, and you're also saying you didn't run pvcreate on it? |
| 19:30.23 | minus | Its an old bootpartition on sdb1 |
| 19:30.36 | minus | I dont remember acctually ^^ |
| 19:30.39 | geo-rge | hmm, I'm a little confused |
| 19:31.02 | minus | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.02 | minus | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.05 | geo-rge | which partition are you having trouble with? |
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| 19:31.26 | minus | You see that.. I want to be able to use those 232GB to mount it in my /home/minus/extended |
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| 19:32.02 | geo-rge | what's the 698.30g? |
| 19:32.05 | minus | geo-rge, not "trouble" really.. Just want guiding on what i must to mount it in /home/minus/extended |
| 19:32.16 | minus | geo-rge, the VG swirl |
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| 19:32.31 | geo-rge | which consists of what pvs? |
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| 19:32.45 | geo-rge | just one? or more than one? |
| 19:32.52 | minus | Yeah.. The ones i pasted uo there.. |
| 19:32.55 | minus | 2 |
| 19:33.03 | minus | One 500GB disk and one 250GB disk |
| 19:33.27 | geo-rge | ahh, sda5 and sdb2? |
| 19:33.27 | minus | Exactly.. |
| 19:33.30 | geo-rge | ok |
| 19:33.36 | minus | the sda5 was configured by the debian installer |
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| 19:34.03 | geo-rge | and now you want to add another (sdb2) manually |
| 19:34.06 | geo-rge | yes? :) |
| 19:34.13 | minus | Yeah.. |
| 19:34.53 | geo-rge | ok, and you did not run pvcreate on it and yet it accepted sdb2 into the vg? |
| 19:34.56 | minus | I want to mount the sdb2 on /home/minus/extended but stilll be in the LVM VG "swirl" |
| 19:35.12 | geo-rge | you can't do that |
| 19:35.19 | minus | geo-rge, As i said.. I truly dont remember ^^ |
| 19:35.24 | geo-rge | ok |
| 19:35.29 | minus | geo-rge, Cant I ? |
| 19:35.35 | geo-rge | well |
| 19:35.41 | geo-rge | here's the thing... |
| 19:35.56 | geo-rge | you know about pvs and vgs... |
| 19:36.04 | geo-rge | these are managed by lvm |
| 19:36.10 | minus | Yeah |
| 19:36.17 | geo-rge | (there's one more, lv, but I'm getting ahead of myself |
| 19:36.18 | geo-rge | ) |
| 19:36.40 | minus | lvm> lvscan |
| 19:36.40 | minus | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.40 | minus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:37.37 | minus | Hm.. maybe its a LV im supposed to do? |
| 19:37.42 | minus | lvcreate |
| 19:37.45 | geo-rge | so are you saying you want another lv in swirl to mount (somewhere)? |
| 19:37.57 | geo-rge | here's the structure... |
| 19:38.00 | minus | Exactly :) |
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| 19:38.32 | geo-rge | lvm is for what you want... and it also lets you add/remove storage on the fly |
| 19:38.36 | minus | I want the /dev/sdb2 to be in /dev/swirl/"name" so that i can mount that in my homedir |
| 19:38.48 | minus | geo-rge, ok.. |
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| 19:39.28 | geo-rge | when you added BOTH partitions sda5 AND sdb2 to swirl, you' |
| 19:39.33 | geo-rge | are saying: |
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| 19:39.58 | damog | stew: you should package plwm! |
| 19:39.59 | geo-rge | "I want the storage in these to be allocated freely to logical volumes I create" |
| 19:40.34 | geo-rge | so if you allocate stuff from swirl, you have something like 750g available to allocate |
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| 19:40.36 | geo-rge | SO: |
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| 19:41.21 | geo-rge | any of your logical volumes can be on EITHER or even BOTH of these partitions (because the storage in swirl is on BOTH of these drives) |
| 19:41.30 | geo-rge | got that part? |
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| 19:41.43 | minus | Yeah... |
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| 19:41.49 | geo-rge | maybe instead, you want to separate the storage? |
| 19:41.59 | minus | Exactly.. |
| 19:42.02 | geo-rge | or is that the situation you want? |
| 19:42.12 | minus | I want a drive where i can stor my warez on ^^ |
| 19:42.16 | geo-rge | ok, so you want to separate it |
| 19:42.16 | damog | :s |
| 19:42.24 | minus | geo-rge, I guess |
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| 19:43.12 | geo-rge | remove sdb2 from swirl, make a new volume group (maybe called squarehair) and add sdb2 to that |
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| 19:43.28 | geo-rge | then you have a choice |
| 19:43.42 | minus | Is there any idea of using LVM at al then? |
| 19:43.44 | minus | all* |
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| 19:44.43 | geo-rge | well, me personally, I don't like combining drives like that |
| 19:45.15 | minus | So what i should do is do "pvremove" and then "vgcreate" and then add the /dev/sdb2 to the new vg |
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| 19:45.43 | geo-rge | yes, if you want the storage to be separate |
| 19:45.56 | minus | Ok :) |
| 19:46.00 | minus | As you say master |
| 19:46.20 | geo-rge | you are the master: you have the choice |
| 19:46.36 | minus | But Its exactly what i want to do.. |
| 19:46.43 | minus | I dont want to mix the disks |
| 19:46.44 | geo-rge | ok, cool |
| 19:47.05 | minus | so.. pvremove.. is it just "pvremove /dev/sdb2" ? |
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| 19:47.29 | geo-rge | the only way I would want to mix, is if I wanted to raid the disks together and then make a pv out of the raided result |
| 19:47.32 | minus | the "man pvremove" isn't telling me mush |
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| 19:48.24 | geo-rge | does "pvremove /dev/sdb2" match what the man page says? |
| 19:48.40 | cTaT1k | How can I specify the order in which the programs listed in Desktop->Preferences->Sessions->Startup Programs are executed? |
| 19:49.11 | minus | geo-rge, It sais I have to use -ff |
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| 19:49.30 | geo-rge | ok |
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| 19:49.37 | minus | Done |
| 19:49.44 | minus | So now its vgcreat then |
| 19:49.46 | geo-rge | so now, go back to the man page and see what -ff means |
| 19:50.00 | minus | its probably "force" |
| 19:50.09 | geo-rge | good guess :) |
| 19:50.11 | vlt | Hello. Today I want to create an HTML email (don't laugh!) and place an image file at a certain position. How can I do this with KMail? |
| 19:50.18 | geo-rge | see how the man page expresses that |
| 19:50.31 | minus | its "--force[--force]" |
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| 19:50.36 | minus | what is that o_O |
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| 19:51.21 | minus | Is it that its forceing the first complain from the system and then forces to ignore the second complain ? |
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| 19:52.18 | geo-rge | ok, if you look at it, notice it says [-f[f]] |
| 19:52.32 | minus | Mhm.. |
| 19:52.56 | geo-rge | the brackets are telling you things about the command (not for putting them there) |
| 19:53.16 | geo-rge | it means that the thing inside the brackets are optional |
| 19:53.47 | minus | ok.. so waht would hav happened if i had done just pvremove -f instead of -ff? |
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| 19:53.59 | geo-rge | try it :) |
| 19:54.09 | geo-rge | put it back then try removing it |
| 19:54.27 | minus | but then I have to pvvreat again.. ^^ |
| 19:54.27 | Enverex | Can someone quickly explain the difference between /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/sbin ? |
| 19:54.32 | minus | Ok.. |
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| 19:54.39 | geo-rge | probably no... |
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| 19:55.01 | geo-rge | pvcreate prepares a partition for lvm |
| 19:55.07 | geo-rge | so if you do it once, it |
| 19:55.11 | geo-rge | 's enough |
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| 19:55.58 | Enverex | I assume the s is superuser, but what's the difference between /bin and /usr/bin ? |
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| 19:57.35 | Enverex | wow... ls -lah shows this in a folder for a file "?--------- ? ? ? ? ? /usr/local/games/PenumbraEp1Demo/lib" |
| 19:57.42 | Enverex | ah, nvm |
| 19:57.46 | Enverex | being blonde |
| 19:57.53 | minus | geo-rge, Im getting all these errors now ^^ |
| 19:58.11 | geo-rge | as you already described? |
| 19:58.15 | cTaT1k | Enverex: I believe /bin/ is for binary programs automatically executed by the system, and /usr/bin/ is meant for programs that are manually executed by the user. |
| 19:58.23 | Enverex | cTaT1k, Ah, thanks |
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| 20:00.21 | geo-rge | minus: what are you doing when you first get errors |
| 20:00.45 | minus | I first did the "pvremove" to remove the /dev/sdb2 from swirl |
| 20:01.08 | geo-rge | ok, howbout when you do pvremove -f? |
| 20:01.24 | minus | but its alreasdy removed.. |
| 20:01.31 | cTaT1k | How might one set the order in which ~/.config/autostart/ programs are executed? |
| 20:01.34 | geo-rge | ohh, put it back first :P |
| 20:01.46 | minus | geo-rge, thats the thing that i dont know.. |
| 20:02.00 | minus | I guess its lvextend? |
| 20:02.02 | minus | right? |
| 20:02.08 | flami | Enverex, look here if you want to have the filesystem explained : http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html |
| 20:02.13 | minus | So i did.. And then the errors flodded me xP |
| 20:02.16 | geo-rge | no, that resizes a lv |
| 20:02.21 | minus | ah.. |
| 20:02.35 | geo-rge | lvextend grows an lv |
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| 20:03.04 | minus | ok.. |
| 20:03.16 | minus | but why cant i do vgs or vgscan |
| 20:03.21 | minus | I get all those error then |
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| 20:04.54 | minus | I've probably like ruined my whole filesystem now xP |
| 20:05.11 | geo-rge | maybe removing the pv was a bad idea... |
| 20:05.20 | minus | I think so.. ^^ |
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| 20:05.30 | minus | How do i add it back.. |
| 20:05.30 | geo-rge | trying to remember how to put it back |
| 20:05.49 | minus | ehm.. the "lvm> help" doesn't really help me.. |
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| 20:06.25 | geo-rge | you're gaining the skill to read those things... that will change |
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| 20:06.44 | geo-rge | try vgextend |
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| 20:07.52 | Enverex | What's the env variable to set the library folder on the fly? |
| 20:07.58 | Enverex | LD_something= |
| 20:08.05 | geo-rge | ld_library_path |
| 20:08.10 | geo-rge | upcase it |
| 20:08.15 | minus | geo-rge, I get the same error as i pasted to you in "priv" |
| 20:08.45 | minus | vgextend swirl /dev/sdb2 Isn't that the right command? |
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| 20:09.14 | geo-rge | yeah, I'm looking at the man page now |
| 20:09.20 | geo-rge | looks right |
| 20:09.43 | minus | I think that pvremove was a really bad move ^^ |
| 20:09.53 | scoopex | is there a possibilty to create a debian-package of my python scripts, directly from my checked out subversion repository ? i'm currently creating rpms by writing a specfile which defines mappings between the file of my repository and the target directory....ist there a similar way for debian ? |
| 20:10.09 | minus | Can I convert the system to just a regular EXT3 system without LVM |
| 20:10.09 | geo-rge | a backup would have been a really good thing... but 500 gigs??! |
| 20:10.24 | minus | geo-rge, Its not 500GB |
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| 20:10.43 | geo-rge | how much have you used? |
| 20:10.45 | minus | /dev/mapper/swirl-root |
| 20:10.45 | minus | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.00 | minus | I've only had this system upp for about a Week |
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| 20:11.23 | minus | Maybe i should reinstall it? |
| 20:11.32 | minus | without LVM.. |
| 20:11.40 | nzk | Is it true I can get support faster if I say "Linux sucks, it can't do XXX like Windows..."? |
| 20:11.45 | minus | Because i dont se any good with it.. |
| 20:11.54 | geo-rge | let me understand something first... |
| 20:12.01 | geo-rge | you JUST installed this? |
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| 20:12.13 | minus | geo-rge, nono.. I installed it last week |
| 20:12.15 | minus | :P |
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| 20:12.31 | geo-rge | ok, and so there's a week's worth of stuff on there? |
| 20:12.33 | minus | But maybe you can say i "just" installed it |
| 20:12.38 | minus | Yeah... |
| 20:12.46 | minus | I have al my stuff on my ntfs disk |
| 20:12.46 | geo-rge | so it's not empty. |
| 20:13.06 | geo-rge | so you have copies of everything? |
| 20:13.17 | minus | the 250GB is empty.. but the main LVM 500GB is the one that debian installation made |
| 20:13.38 | minus | There isn't anything hyperimportant on it.. |
| 20:13.47 | geo-rge | ok |
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| 20:14.07 | minus | Al my "important things" is on the 320GB disk.. thats NTFS |
| 20:14.20 | minus | and its only warez |
| 20:14.26 | minus | /dev/sdc1 299G 226G 73G 76% /home/minus/Warez |
| 20:14.26 | minus | XP |
| 20:14.33 | geo-rge | well, if that's the case you could blow the non-ntfs vols away and start again |
| 20:15.23 | minus | I'll think i'll go with SID this time.. Cause my computer and 2.6.18 kernel did not work out at all.. |
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| 20:15.57 | minus | And the nvidia-installer didn't work out with my current kernel 2.6.21 so a fresh start would be nice acctually |
| 20:16.05 | Exy | What's the correct way to control daemons in Debian? |
| 20:16.19 | petemc | scripts in /etc/init.d/ |
| 20:16.25 | minus | Daemons.. You fight em with witchcraft! |
| 20:16.28 | minus | :D |
| 20:16.33 | Exy | How do I stop them from autostarting though |
| 20:16.38 | petemc | update-rc.d |
| 20:16.45 | Exy | Seems everything I install starts at startup, system is horribly bogged down |
| 20:16.45 | petemc | or one of the many other ways |
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| 20:16.54 | petemc | bogged down? |
| 20:17.08 | Exy | petemc, Well it takes ages to boot for a start |
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| 20:17.18 | mzuverink | anyone know how to get proftp to allow root logins? |
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| 20:18.16 | Exy | Is there a way to list all services for a runlevel? |
| 20:18.29 | mzuverink | Or can help me figure out a way to get html files and stuff to the apache www dir from one machine to another |
| 20:18.36 | petemc | !services |
| 20:18.36 | dpkg | i guess services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 20:18.43 | geo-rge | Exy: you can start and stop them using scripts that are supposed to be in /etc/init.d/ |
| 20:19.01 | Exy | geo-rge, I know that, that has nothing to do with what I asked |
| 20:19.09 | geo-rge | look at /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 20:19.39 | Exy | geo-rge, I think you misunderstood the question |
| 20:19.46 | geo-rge | oh, ls /etc/rc<runlevel>.d |
| 20:20.10 | geo-rge | look in /etc/inittab for the default runlevel |
| 20:20.22 | geo-rge | probably it's 2 |
| 20:21.00 | geo-rge | if you want to see for runlevel 2 try ls /etc/rc2.d |
| 20:21.35 | Exy | "update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/clamav-daemon exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force)" That makes it sound like it's going to remove the init.d entry too... |
| 20:21.57 | geo-rge | back it up then try |
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| 20:22.32 | geo-rge | truthfully I went thru this but I don't remember if it does remove the init.d script too |
| 20:22.45 | petemc | it doesnt |
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| 20:22.56 | petemc | that would be a bit silly |
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| 20:24.03 | minus | With is the "standard" kernel on the SID release right now? |
| 20:24.13 | minus | The one thats installed during a netinstall |
| 20:25.22 | geo-rge | first off... are you -really- sure you want sid? |
| 20:25.30 | geo-rge | there are implications |
| 20:25.41 | h3sp4wn | minus: not installed it recently - linux-2.6 -> linux-image-2.6.21-2-amd64 |
| 20:25.50 | zinx | is aptitude still broken in sid i386? |
| 20:26.06 | geo-rge | and also sid is what the developers add to directly |
| 20:26.14 | h3sp4wn | zinx: No |
| 20:26.21 | geo-rge | so things can get broken right out from under you |
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| 20:26.48 | minus | geo-rge, Yeah.. The standardkernel on lenny gives me alot of startup errors.. |
| 20:27.05 | minus | in other words 2.6.18 |
| 20:27.18 | minus | and the fucking nvidiathing doesnt work or something o_O |
| 20:27.32 | minus | I want to be able to play games sometimes.. |
| 20:27.46 | minus | And that without proper drivers is reaaally bad |
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| 20:28.15 | geo-rge | yeah, way too slow |
| 20:28.28 | dondelelcaro | minus: 2.6.21-2 is what is in sid, but there's nothing stoping you from using whatever kernel you want. |
| 20:28.44 | geo-rge | from 60 fps -> a frame every 5 secs |
| 20:28.45 | h3sp4wn | minus: you could just backport nvidia-graphics-drivers to lenny |
| 20:29.09 | minus | dondelelcaro, I know.. |
| 20:29.29 | minus | But the 2.6.21 is the only kernel that i know works well on my comp. |
| 20:29.43 | dondelelcaro | so use it |
| 20:29.47 | minus | 2.6.21-1-686 to be more specific ^^ |
| 20:30.09 | geo-rge | you could try just installing that kernel into lenny |
| 20:30.11 | minus | Is it possible to convert from SID to Lenny? |
| 20:30.15 | craigevil | rather than mess with Sid, why not just roll your own kernel |
| 20:30.16 | minus | or the other way around? |
| 20:30.19 | dondelelcaro | minus: yes, but we don't support it. |
| 20:30.26 | minus | geo-rge, Im using it right now.. |
| 20:30.32 | geo-rge | not possible to DOWNgrade |
| 20:30.38 | minus | But as i said.. nvidiathingy isn't working.. :/ |
| 20:30.41 | geo-rge | but is possible to upgrade |
| 20:30.55 | dondelelcaro | craigevil: it's actually far, far easier to just install the appropriate kernel package from sid... |
| 20:31.20 | craigevil | probably but then he has to worry about Sid dependencies being pulled in |
| 20:31.23 | minus | So what do you really recommend? |
| 20:31.27 | minus | Lenny or SID? |
| 20:31.45 | dondelelcaro | craigevil: the kernel doesn't have any sid dependencies |
| 20:31.55 | minus | And dont say Etch.. Thats crap.. |
| 20:31.56 | minus | ^^ |
| 20:32.08 | geo-rge | I dunno... I use it :) |
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| 20:32.14 | geo-rge | it's fine when you're learning |
| 20:32.20 | craigevil | ok but what about the nvidia modules from Sid |
| 20:32.20 | minus | Are you using Etch? |
| 20:32.24 | geo-rge | yep |
| 20:32.53 | minus | craigevil, Im looking it up right now.. |
| 20:33.30 | tarzeau | i found a bug! |
| 20:33.45 | geo-rge | eeeewwww! bug! |
| 20:33.55 | minus | tarzeau, ? |
| 20:34.10 | tarzeau | minus: in gzip (well zgrep to be exact) |
| 20:34.33 | tarzeau | minus: if you use grep -h somepatter file1 file2 that works |
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| 20:34.40 | dondelelcaro | craigevil: those don't have any other dependencies, either. |
| 20:34.48 | tarzeau | minus: do the same with zgrep, doesn't work. according the manual page it should, though |
| 20:35.00 | minus | :) |
| 20:35.09 | tarzeau | minus: not funny :) |
| 20:35.24 | minus | So whats your verdict guys?! What should a noob like me use.. Lenny or sid?! |
| 20:35.33 | tarzeau | minus: etch |
| 20:35.34 | dondelelcaro | minus: etch. |
| 20:35.37 | minus | lol |
| 20:35.39 | minus | ETCH |
| 20:35.43 | minus | Forget it! |
| 20:35.50 | minus | Lenny then I guess.. |
| 20:35.50 | tarzeau | but you're noob? |
| 20:35.54 | minus | So.. |
| 20:35.58 | geo-rge | well run what you want... |
| 20:35.59 | Ronin | minus: etch if you're new |
| 20:36.00 | geo-rge | but |
| 20:36.02 | dondelelcaro | if you have to ask, you should start with etch. If for some reason it's not sufficient, you can upgrade to testing, but you should start with etch. |
| 20:36.08 | geo-rge | there could be consequences :) |
| 20:36.16 | minus | Ive been running etch since it came out on another machine |
| 20:36.25 | minus | Im not that new.. |
| 20:36.29 | geo-rge | the thing is if you're learning learn on a still target |
| 20:36.32 | tarzeau | yeah you can always go forwards and up (but not back) |
| 20:36.43 | minus | Since the beginning of the year i've been running Debian.. |
| 20:36.46 | dondelelcaro | minus: so why can't you run etch on whatever machine you're talking about now? |
| 20:37.04 | minus | ops* Lenny* |
| 20:37.28 | minus | Whatever.. Your never supposed to do stable on a Workstation.. |
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| 20:37.35 | minus | Stable is for servers only xP |
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| 20:37.46 | Ronin | minus: on the contrary |
| 20:37.47 | dondelelcaro | minus: uh, no. |
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| 20:38.01 | cartesian1984 | I want to extract and concatenate the contents of some multipart zip. |
| 20:38.05 | cartesian1984 | How can I do that? |
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| 20:38.24 | revil | can I somehow use pkg-config with debian? Can i train it to understand how to use apt-tools to serve the configure script? |
| 20:38.29 | geo-rge | get an old crap machine and run etch on that (not a good video, maybe not much ram or disk) |
| 20:38.40 | dondelelcaro | craigevil: unzip -p foo.zip; or whatever? |
| 20:38.57 | minus | multipart zipextraction isnät available for linux yet? Atleast not when i tried the last time ^^ |
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| 20:39.01 | cartesian1984 | dondelelcaro: thank you :) |
| 20:39.08 | blackbart | On FreeBSD I was able to hit C-c to cancel certain things during boot up, for instance if it was trying to mount nfs and I was offline. Is there a way I do this on Debian? |
| 20:39.24 | dondelelcaro | blackbart: the same thing will work in some cases. |
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| 20:39.36 | dondelelcaro | blackbart: all C-c does is send a SIGINT to whatever is running |
| 20:39.48 | frankg | WHat system backup software would your recommend |
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| 20:40.52 | dondelelcaro | cartesian1984: you may have to concatenate the .zip parts and -F them first, though |
| 20:41.19 | revil | in debian how can I query the libraries to use when compiling with a library libLIB ? |
| 20:41.36 | dondelelcaro | revil: depends on what the library is |
| 20:41.42 | revil | gtk+2.o |
| 20:42.05 | revil | gtk+-2.0 or something. Isn't there some apt-cache query syntax? |
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| 20:42.18 | revil | like pkg-config thingy? |
| 20:43.08 | dondelelcaro | revil: probably with pkg-config --libs gtk; or whatever. |
| 20:43.10 | geo-rge | revil: you can find for a -package- what -packages- it depends on |
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| 20:43.34 | dondelelcaro | revil: as far as figuring out the dependencies, that's done by specifying the Build-Depends: manually, and dpkg-shlibdeps |
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| 20:45.25 | Exy | Are there any graphical runlevel service editors? |
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| 20:46.03 | tzfardea | What do I need for editing ogg files' tags? |
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| 20:46.17 | revil | dondelelcaro, I have a Makefile that depends on pkg-config paths. My debian has the libs, and pkg-config, but not a trained one. My copy of pkg-config does not seem to know where the libs are. (Maybe I don;t jave the devels?) How Can I substitute the pkg-config syntax with a apt-tools one? |
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| 20:46.30 | geo-rge | direct answer: probably no (what would it do... move files around, not much more other than manage its own window) |
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| 20:46.49 | minus | I wonder for how long i'll have to stay awake tonight to get debian working.. |
| 20:47.01 | sussudio | 14 hours |
| 20:47.03 | minus | burning the CD right now atleast XP |
| 20:47.11 | minus | lol 14 hours... |
| 20:47.15 | dondelelcaro | revil: there is no apt-tools one; you just need to have the appropriate libfoo-dev; packages installed. |
| 20:47.24 | dondelelcaro | revil: then you just use pkg-config as usual. |
| 20:47.29 | geo-rge | the debian bias is typically "wtf?! if you understand the shell and even if that's a very limited understanding, you can copy/move/create/edit files" |
| 20:47.33 | minus | 7 hours till i have to get to work.. |
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| 20:48.05 | DragoraN | is it possible to make ssh tunnel not only for forwading ports? complete IP tunnel.. |
| 20:48.59 | geo-rge | minus: slept yet? |
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| 20:49.12 | h3sp4wn | DragoraN: You can do a crappy ssh + ppp vpn (for tcp only) |
| 20:49.26 | minus | geo-rge, Nope.. |
| 20:49.34 | DragoraN | ok |
| 20:49.37 | geo-rge | you might consider it :) |
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| 20:50.02 | dondelelcaro | DragoraN: not with just ssh, but it can be done; though, you usually use openvpn for that sort of thign |
| 20:50.07 | minus | Anyways.. so now i'll reinstall my system.. bye everyone.. Cya laters maybe ^^ |
| 20:50.32 | minus | Wish mne luck on the debian installationthingy,. |
| 20:50.33 | minus | ^^ |
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| 20:51.13 | geo-rge | minus: backing things up can be a good thing |
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| 20:51.56 | Petfrogg | ok |
| 20:51.59 | geo-rge | just keep that in mind before someone suggests something sorta dangerous (as I did) |
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| 20:52.20 | revil | ok, how can I search in what package does /usr/include/gtk/* belong? |
| 20:52.28 | Petfrogg | where do i find the linux-headers-2.6.16-xen? |
| 20:52.36 | Petfrogg | can i use the latest linux-headers? |
| 20:52.36 | abrotman | revil: dpkg -S |
| 20:52.54 | geo-rge | I didn't mean to fuck things up for ya... but seems it happened... sorry |
| 20:52.55 | abrotman | revil: also apt-file |
| 20:53.42 | revil | ehm.. I shoulit is d have mentioned that it is not currently installed. I am just lookingfor the forsaken devel packages.. |
| 20:54.13 | abrotman | revil: then use apt-file |
| 20:54.15 | abrotman | revil: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 20:54.47 | h3sp4wn | Petfrogg: snapshot.debian.net (has a linux-2.16 branch) |
| 20:56.25 | revil | apt-file search /usr/include/gtk returns nothing... Failed... |
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| 20:56.55 | abrotman | revil: what file are you lookign for ? |
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| 20:57.18 | Petfrogg | hmm h3sp4wn: no package found... |
| 20:58.09 | revil | abrotman, I am looking for the packages that could provide gtk+-2.0 libraries, as reuested by a source code tarball using the pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0 |
| 20:58.18 | revil | requested |
| 20:58.25 | abrotman | revil: apt-cache -- search gtk -dev |
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| 20:59.20 | revil | abrotman, the yielded list is enourmous |
| 20:59.39 | abrotman | libgtk2.0-dev .. roughly |
| 20:59.42 | abrotman | maybe 2.2 |
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| 21:01.00 | bzed | revil: apt-file search gtk+-2.0.pc |
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| 21:08.28 | pedro_mg | hi, anyone using http://xenplanet.com/ ? |
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| 21:09.49 | slack101 | http://phpfi.com/247369 |
| 21:09.53 | slack101 | what went wrong here ? |
| 21:10.58 | Gathond | slack101: the linker is missing some symbols |
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| 21:11.03 | azeem | slack101: probably a missing -lxml2 or something |
| 21:11.19 | dondelelcaro | slack101: it looks like you don't have libxml-dev or libxml2-dev installed. |
| 21:11.33 | slack101 | i have libxml2-dev |
| 21:11.34 | Gathond | most likely you need to add a -l argument of some sort |
| 21:11.36 | azeem | I wonder how src/xml.o managed to compile |
| 21:11.46 | azeem | slack101: then the build system is broken |
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| 21:11.51 | Gathond | that or include it in the standard location |
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| 21:12.08 | Gathond | azeem most likely gcc could find the headers through its default path |
| 21:12.35 | azeem | Gathond: then it would error out usually, no? |
| 21:12.38 | Gathond | slack101: try running the command with -lxml2 included in the command |
| 21:12.49 | slack101 | what do you mean ? |
| 21:12.55 | Gathond | azeem: not if it can find the header files |
| 21:12.59 | slack101 | make -lxml2 |
| 21:13.00 | slack101 | ? |
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| 21:13.20 | Gathond | azeem: the compiler can be able to find the headers without the linker being able to find the code |
| 21:13.39 | azeem | true dat |
| 21:13.51 | azeem | slack101: no, the build system is broken, check the Makefiles |
| 21:14.02 | azeem | slack101: if don't grok Makefiles, why do you compile this? |
| 21:14.03 | Gathond | slack101: the second line in that output you pasted: add -lxml2 just after the gcc part |
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| 21:14.15 | Gathond | before -lsqlite3 |
| 21:14.31 | Gathond | however if you used make then something is wrong with the Makefile |
| 21:14.45 | slack101 | hmm |
| 21:15.15 | Gathond | azeem another option might be the source containing prototypes of these functions |
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| 21:15.38 | azeem | -I/usr/include/libxml2 |
| 21:15.41 | azeem | so far it knows about it |
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| 21:15.49 | piero | What is the best way to install a program that isn't from debian project? Like sun java from tar.bz2 file downloaded from java.com ? |
| 21:16.20 | craigevil | Sun Java is in non-free |
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| 21:16.24 | slack101 | azeem, i mean its using -libxml2 in all the functions pretty much |
| 21:16.29 | piero | I think that ./configure make make install isn't good. I want to create a deb file |
| 21:16.30 | slack101 | i dont see what the problem is grr |
| 21:16.46 | slack101 | azeem, maybe missing another library for it ? |
| 21:16.50 | piero | craigevil, yeah! It is just a example. I need to learn how to do it |
| 21:16.59 | Gathond | azeem yeah, seems like the -I is there but not the -l to fit it |
| 21:17.10 | putterson | uhg i hate dependancies |
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| 21:17.18 | putterson | woops |
| 21:17.20 | putterson | wrong channel |
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| 21:17.30 | azeem | slack101: what do you mean "using -lxml2 in all the functions"? |
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| 21:18.17 | slack101 | azeem, http://phpfi.com/247372 |
| 21:18.20 | slack101 | theres some more for ya |
| 21:18.36 | slack101 | oops you have ot scroll to the right |
| 21:18.50 | azeem | it doesn't say -lxml2 in there either |
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| 21:19.10 | slack101 | wtf |
| 21:19.49 | slack101 | theres tons more |
| 21:19.52 | slack101 | the pastebin wont show it |
| 21:20.12 | Gathond | slack101: I cant see -lxml2 in that gcc line that fails, only -I/usr/include/libxml2 |
| 21:20.20 | Gathond | which DOES not do the same thing |
| 21:20.26 | ghatak_mobil1 | Hi guys, i am stuck with curl and ssl drama, dpkg -l libcurl3 reports that it is installed with ssl support but curl https://anything.com says that libcurl does not have ssl support |
| 21:20.28 | slack101 | yea |
| 21:20.28 | slack101 | 1 sec |
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| 21:20.50 | peter__ | is there any chance to rewind deletey file ? I mean to return him... |
| 21:20.54 | Gathond | however its, getting late and I have to go to bed |
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| 21:21.34 | dondelelcaro | ghatak_mobil1: in Debian libcurl3 is linked with libssl, so yes, it has ssl support. |
| 21:22.26 | ghatak_mobil1 | dondelelcaro: I wonder why curl throws the error that libcurl does not have ssl support |
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| 21:23.06 | ghatak_mobil1 | curl: (1) libcurl was built with SSL disabled, https: not supported! |
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| 21:24.18 | azeem | ghatak_mobil1: which version of Debian? |
| 21:24.41 | ghatak_mobil1 | azeem: it is Debian Sarge 3.1 |
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| 21:25.48 | dondelelcaro | ghatak_mobil1: sarge's curl should have ssl support too |
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| 21:27.54 | ghatak_mobil1 | Yes it does, dpkg -l libcurl3 | tail -1 returns this >>> ii libcurl3 7.13.2-2sarge5 Multi-protocol file transfer library, now with SSL support! |
| 21:28.23 | daeos | so... i would think that it being the 4th of July and all... some americans would take a break from lurking around the debian irc room... except for those who are at work.. like me.. working on a day like this... a national holiday... |
| 21:28.40 | dondelelcaro | ghatak_mobil1: are you sure you're running /usr/bin/curl? |
| 21:28.51 | dondelelcaro | ghatak_mobil1: does that correspond to the version which was distributed with Debian? |
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| 21:29.01 | mzuverink | whats the apt-get XXX for reinstall a pachage? |
| 21:29.07 | dondelelcaro | mzuverink: aptitude reinstall foopkg; |
| 21:29.09 | mzuverink | package |
| 21:29.15 | mzuverink | ok |
| 21:29.52 | godlkwrth | how do I get a full OOPS log following a hard crash? |
| 21:30.23 | godlkwrth | I can't see the full output on the console or in xorg |
| 21:31.14 | Petfrogg | ok... how do i get rid of a trouble of "unconfigured krnel source" |
| 21:31.20 | dondelelcaro | godlkwrth: if you're lucky, it should appear on the console. If not, then the only way to get at it is to have a serial console plugged in and hopefully it'll manage to output the oops to the serial console. |
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| 21:31.32 | dondelelcaro | godlkwrth: that said, it's quite possible for oops to happen in such a way that there is no output. |
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| 21:31.44 | godlkwrth | I can see some of it |
| 21:31.45 | dondelelcaro | (or for the kernel to just hang and never return) |
| 21:32.07 | godlkwrth | but my console is only 24 lines |
| 21:32.19 | godlkwrth | I'm trying to load framebuffer device, to no avail |
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| 21:32.31 | godlkwrth | I've never been able to get a framebuffer console |
| 21:32.41 | ghatak_mobil1 | dondelelcaro: you are star, you are right, it is just not using the right version of libcurl |
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| 21:33.46 | jgalvez | how do I ignore a dependency when running apt-get? like, it doesn't run because of a required package I don't have, but I want to install it anyway... |
| 21:34.06 | godlkwrth | is there a framebuffer guide, somewhere? |
| 21:34.09 | dondelelcaro | jgalvez: you don't. Instead, you fix the dependency |
| 21:34.15 | geo-rge | how will it run if you don't have what it needs? |
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| 21:34.30 | jgalvez | dondelelcaro: you worked for us at blogamundo, right? |
| 21:34.36 | dondelelcaro | jgalvez: yeah |
| 21:34.41 | jgalvez | can you PM me? |
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| 21:36.22 | frankr | whats a wildcard in regexp? |
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| 21:36.32 | dondelelcaro | frankr: . |
| 21:36.36 | eifzon | Is it necessary to install x-window-system? |
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| 21:36.42 | eifzon | Is x-window-system-core enough? |
| 21:36.49 | dondelelcaro | eifzon: possibly; depends on what you're doing. |
| 21:36.54 | eifzon | dondelelcaro: doing? |
| 21:37.20 | peter__ | is there any chance to retrive deleted file ? |
| 21:37.29 | eifzon | dondelelcaro: i installed both |
| 21:37.36 | dondelelcaro | peter__: on ext2 using e2undelete, maybe. On other filesystems, probably not. |
| 21:38.13 | dondelelcaro | eifzon: actually, they both depend on xorg, so it doesn't really matter. |
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| 21:40.01 | Ranpha1 | anybody have any qemu knowledge? |
| 21:40.26 | dondelelcaro | Ranpha1: best to just ask your question |
| 21:41.05 | Ranpha1 | okay how do i install win2000 on qemu? after 12 houres i almost giving this up to run windows 200 on qemu |
| 21:42.12 | eifzon | dondelelcaro: okok |
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| 21:45.17 | jer-flow | whats a smiple way to implement a local DNS server so that users can resolve hostnames to IPs on the LAN? |
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| 21:46.10 | petemc | jer-flow: aptitude install bind9 , or dnsmasq |
| 21:46.33 | vorpal | or nis, or manually synched hosts files... |
| 21:46.45 | geo-rge | jer-flow: apt-get install bind9 :) |
| 21:46.48 | petemc | simple? |
| 21:47.25 | godlkwrth | what's the proper way to enable a framebuffer console? I compiled fbcon and my gfx card's driver as modules, passed append="video=<gfxcardhere>:1024x768,bpp=16" vga=791 and it boots with a blank screen (apparently the fb driver didn't load) |
| 21:47.36 | geo-rge | vorpal: but those are not dns (even tho they once served the same func) |
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| 21:47.56 | xerophyte | growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd -J -R /path/to/disc/root if you burn DVD with that option how can i mount the DVD ? |
| 21:47.57 | tosh| | I was trying to upgrade glibc but the libc6 package gives me errors that were encountered when processing the package and apt-get won't let me install anything else. apt-get -f install gives me a list of packages that "won't be installed" because of versioning. How do I "reset" apt-get so it doesn't want to do that upgrade anymore and apt-get -f install can save my day? |
| 21:47.58 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 21:48.30 | xerophyte | I tried to mount with mount -t iso9660 -r /dev/dvd /mnt/dvd .. i get wrong file type |
| 21:48.32 | ribnitz | xerophyte: mount -t iso9660 .. |
| 21:48.38 | vorpal | geo-rge: he said resolve hostnames to IPs on the local LAN. those will fulfill that functino |
| 21:48.45 | xerophyte | ribnitz, i get wrong file sytem time |
| 21:49.21 | jer-flow | any differnce between bind9 & dnsmasq? |
| 21:49.27 | ribnitz | xerophyte: I stopped worrying about such things, I usually use k3b to burn things. |
| 21:49.59 | ribnitz | jer-flow: Bind9 is probably more widely deployed, and easier to get help for. |
| 21:50.13 | geo-rge | vorpal: sigh... reread his comment |
| 21:50.33 | ribnitz | gah.. make-kpkg is taking ages.. |
| 21:50.46 | geo-rge | aside: no one wants to manually sync host files... |
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| 21:51.29 | vorpal | ribnitz: ccache and distcc ( if you have more than one mahcine available ) make a huge difference |
| 21:51.49 | ribnitz | vorpal: unfortunately I dont. |
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| 21:52.02 | ribnitz | vorpal: what does ccache do? |
| 21:52.20 | vorpal | ribnitz: well, ccache ought to help if you are building more than once |
| 21:52.34 | h3sp4wn | jer-flow: If you don't need to use bind 9 then don't bother |
| 21:52.35 | vorpal | ribnitz: ccache is a compiler cache. |
| 21:52.44 | ribnitz | vorpal: ah.. |
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| 21:53.22 | vorpal | ribnitz: i bang out kernels using my work cluster in about a minute |
| 21:53.38 | ribnitz | vorpal: had my system die on cannot open root dev... when I realized I had forgotten the initrd... |
| 21:54.02 | vorpal | doh |
| 21:54.35 | ribnitz | vorpal: one make-kpkg run takes metween 15 and 20 mins. |
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| 21:55.09 | vorpal | ribnitz: there was a time you could avoid initrd by making stuff built-in. alas it doesn't seem to be possible anymore with udev stuff |
| 21:55.48 | vorpal | ribnitz: kernel builds take about an hour on my tecra 8000! |
| 21:55.49 | Petfrogg | ok... |
| 21:56.02 | Petfrogg | is there anyone here using xen and the nvidia driver? |
| 21:56.03 | ribnitz | vorpal: I have nothing against initd... its just not nice to notice you forgot it, only after you installed.. |
| 21:56.08 | Petfrogg | and can pack it for me? |
| 21:56.21 | Petfrogg | cause i am going nuts trying to get thise togeather |
| 21:56.34 | vorpal | ribnitz: are you using --initrd option for make-kpkg? |
| 21:56.40 | ribnitz | vorpal: P4, 3.2 Ghz, a little low on mem though, with 1 GB: |
| 21:57.00 | Petfrogg | using the module-asstant but it claims the linux-headers does not work... |
| 21:57.01 | Petfrogg | ahh |
| 21:57.10 | vorpal | ribnitz: that will automatically setup initrd image for you when you install the kernel image |
| 21:57.25 | vorpal | s/kernel image/kernel package/ |
| 21:58.03 | ribnitz | vorpal: make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd buildpacka |
| 21:58.06 | ribnitz | ge |
| 21:58.28 | ribnitz | vorpal: on 2.6.22 rc5.. |
| 21:59.02 | ribnitz | btw: how od I get rid of the perl locale warnings? |
| 21:59.21 | streuner | configure locales? |
| 21:59.30 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | streuner: hi buddy |
| 21:59.36 | streuner | hi |
| 21:59.50 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | streuner: how I can enable dmz to my box? |
| 22:00.05 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | streuner: I'm using ipmasq to internet sharing |
| 22:00.20 | sussudio | %fist N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R |
| 22:01.11 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | streuner: when I restart ipmasq, this flush iptables rules |
| 22:01.51 | streuner | ipmasq is itself a iptables script... |
| 22:02.04 | abrotman | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R: netfilter.org and lartc.org .. start reading |
| 22:02.05 | streuner | just add those to your needs |
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| 22:02.37 | streuner | you could easily edit ipmasq |
| 22:02.46 | abrotman | ipmasq does also have settings for that |
| 22:02.51 | ribnitz | cp: preserving times for `debian/control.dist': Operation not permitted |
| 22:02.54 | ribnitz | ? |
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| 22:05.42 | N3BUCH4DN3ZZ4R | streuner: there are a lot of files in /etc/ipmasq/rules .... where I can put my commands??? |
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| 22:07.07 | valdyn | ribnitz: copying to a filesystem that does not support all timestamps? |
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| 22:07.28 | tosh| | can anyone tell me what is going on here? http://pastebin.com/942192 glibc is giving me a hard time when trying to install a 2.6 kernel image |
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| 22:07.45 | ribnitz | valdyn: like xfs? |
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| 22:08.06 | valdyn | tosh|: did you read the release notes before upgrading past sarge? |
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| 22:08.10 | azeem | tosh|: you need to upgrade to a 2.6 kernel first |
| 22:08.19 | tosh| | azeem thats what I'm trying to do |
| 22:08.22 | azeem | tosh|: which version of debian are you running? |
| 22:08.25 | tosh| | im trying to install that 2.6 kernel image |
| 22:08.28 | tosh| | unstable |
| 22:08.28 | valdyn | tosh|: that's a rethorical question - you should have done that |
| 22:08.34 | valdyn | geez |
| 22:08.46 | eifzon | how much swap is needed for a 500GB HDD? |
| 22:08.53 | tosh| | unstable, 3.0 |
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| 22:09.01 | valdyn | tosh|: not it is not |
| 22:09.11 | azeem | tosh|: switch your sources to stable and install that 2.6 image |
| 22:09.12 | valdyn | tosh|: and there's no such thing as "unstable 3.0" |
| 22:09.25 | azeem | then put them back to unstable and upgrade |
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| 22:09.29 | tosh| | thats what /etc/debian_version and /etc/apt/sources.list tell me |
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| 22:09.46 | daquin1 | how do i use dpkg to get a description of a currently installed file ? |
| 22:09.51 | valdyn | tosh|: those are justr files from packages. They dont fix your manually breaking the system |
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| 22:10.12 | tosh| | so you suggest I should switch my sources to stable and try to install that image? |
| 22:10.16 | ribnitz | valdyn: did I miss your answer? |
| 22:10.19 | azeem | tosh|: yes |
| 22:10.43 | valdyn | ribnitz: xfs is fine. |
| 22:11.33 | tosh| | azeem I'll give it a shot |
| 22:11.34 | valdyn | daquin1: package you mean? |
| 22:11.44 | slack101 | back to trying to get this to compile |
| 22:12.33 | valdyn | tosh|: im not that sure that stable is ok, probably you need oldstable / sarge |
| 22:12.47 | valdyn | tosh|: which 3.0 really is |
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| 22:13.00 | valdyn | tosh|: and is the last release that supports 2.4 kernels |
| 22:13.20 | valdyn | !sarge |
| 22:13.20 | dpkg | methinks sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 22:13.32 | valdyn | tosh|: oh geez, that's a half-woody system? |
| 22:13.41 | azeem | valdyn: no |
| 22:13.52 | dondelelcaro | slack101: run the above command, and choose a smaller resolution. That should fix you up |
| 22:13.53 | azeem | valdyn: he /needs/ to install the etch kernel |
| 22:14.05 | valdyn | azeem: his /etc/debian_version seemed to imply that its still half woody |
| 22:14.06 | dondelelcaro | ECHAN |
| 22:14.18 | azeem | this is not about 2.4 kernels, this is about providing a way to install a 2.6 kernel |
| 22:14.20 | tosh| | valdyn, trying to install the 2.6.18-4-686 kernel image package now and I get the same dependency problems |
| 22:14.30 | onikazi | Guerin: thanks for your help and patience. I finally have a fully functional etch system running and have completely removed xandros. |
| 22:14.35 | azeem | tosh|: pastebin |
| 22:14.38 | valdyn | tosh|: try woody |
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| 22:15.01 | valdyn | tosh|: or what azeem sais, i just *know* that your system was woody is is at least partially still woody |
| 22:15.10 | tosh| | now trying apt-get -f install |
| 22:15.16 | valdyn | !woody |
| 22:15.16 | tosh| | valdyn that might very well be.. :-/ |
| 22:15.16 | dpkg | i guess woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>. |
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| 22:16.16 | valdyn | tosh|: skipping releases on upgrades is not supported at all - ymmv |
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| 22:16.48 | tosh| | valdyn its downloading packages now, waiting for it to finish.. |
| 22:17.01 | daeos | abrotman: do you know if there a book in print about debian for say.. certification? |
| 22:17.04 | valdyn | tosh|: good luck, you need that |
| 22:17.07 | azeem | tosh|: when did you last upgrade? |
| 22:17.15 | abrotman | !books |
| 22:17.15 | dpkg | books is probably http://www.debian.org/doc/books |
| 22:17.25 | tosh| | azeem this laptop? somewhere in the 1800s |
| 22:17.37 | azeem | tosh|: dude |
| 22:17.46 | azeem | tosh|: if you want help, be *precise* |
| 22:18.14 | azeem | tosh|: I suggest you cancel that upgrade and figure out what state your system is in exactly |
| 22:18.21 | abrotman | a bad one! |
| 22:18.25 | azeem | only cancel if it didn't start installing packages already |
| 22:18.40 | tosh| | azeem, I think it worked |
| 22:18.53 | tosh| | it passed glibc |
| 22:19.02 | azeem | that doesn't mean it worked |
| 22:19.05 | tosh| | I know ;) |
| 22:19.36 | tosh| | I'll see how crippled my system is after this |
| 22:19.43 | daeos | abrotman: thanks.... |
| 22:19.52 | abrotman | daeos: only ones i know of |
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| 22:20.59 | tosh| | im missing update-rc.d apparantly now |
| 22:21.25 | valdyn | !find update-rc.d etch |
| 22:21.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'update-rc.d' (5): (/usr/sbin/update-rc.d-insserv) in misc/insserv ;; (/usr/share/sysvinit/update-rc.d) in admin/sysvinit ;; (/usr/sbin/update-rc.d) in admin/file-rc,admin/sysv-rc ;; (/usr/share/zsh/4.3.2/functions/Completion/Debian/_update-rc.d) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/4.3.2-dev-1/functions/Completion/Debian/_update-rc.d) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 22:21.51 | azeem | tosh|: did you run `su'? |
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| 22:24.30 | tosh| | azeem I'm root? |
| 22:24.41 | azeem | tosh|: how is that the answer to my question? |
| 22:25.45 | tosh| | azeem you asked if I ran su suggesting I should use 'su' to launch a command, so I replied I'm root which would suggest I don't need su? |
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| 22:26.05 | azeem | tosh|: ok, so let me rephrase: How did you become root? |
| 22:26.22 | ribnitz | With CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2 I get 10% idle.. |
| 22:26.28 | tosh| | azeem I have physical access to the console and logged in as root |
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| 22:26.33 | azeem | ok |
| 22:26.34 | valdyn | ribnitz: so? |
| 22:26.41 | azeem | tosh|: so is /usr/sbin/update-rc.d available? |
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| 22:27.07 | tosh| | azeem I don't have that binary or the package |
| 22:27.12 | tosh| | azeem looking to get it installed |
| 22:27.21 | ribnitz | valdyn: those 10% are not spent in IOwait, they are simply idling cpu.. (with a kernel build).. |
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| 22:27.27 | valdyn | tosh|: install sysv-rc |
| 22:27.35 | valdyn | ribnitz: process accounting is highly inaccurate |
| 22:27.41 | valdyn | ribnitz: it just lies to you |
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| 22:27.53 | onikazi | does anyone know if final cut pro will work on debian? I'm not asking for myself, I'm trying to convince someone not to buy a mac. I searched the web and couldn't find anything useful. I did find open source alternatives but I don't know if he will accept those nor have I been able to find a direct comparison for funcionality, they sound close. |
| 22:28.24 | valdyn | ribnitz: ..depending on kernel etc, but _lately_ there have been changes making it even more inaccurate |
| 22:28.39 | daeos | abrotman: perfect actually... i found one i like... have you seen anyone make any 'hosted on' or any similar images for websites that host on debian? |
| 22:28.47 | ribnitz | onikazi: mac os X is a BSD, at heart. |
| 22:28.52 | azeem | ribnitz: eh |
| 22:28.53 | abrotman | daeos: they have a pile of images |
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| 22:29.13 | tosh| | valdyn I'll try that, thanks |
| 22:29.13 | ribnitz | azeem: is it not? |
| 22:29.22 | azeem | ribnitz: it might be, but how is this relevant? |
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| 22:29.39 | valdyn | tosh|: you need to get your system far enough to complete apt-get dist-upgrade or aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 22:29.59 | azeem | onikazi: if somebody needs Final Cut Pro for their living, I wouldn't dare talk them out of it, unless you want to hear them lamenting on how inferior all those Open Source programs are |
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| 22:30.14 | valdyn | tosh|: and you cant 'downgrade' so you will probably be stuck with 'skipping' sarge in your upgrade process, which might be tricky, or not, its unsupported |
| 22:30.34 | ribnitz | azeem: Unless tzhey use some TPM chip (which is highly likely), it would make 'porting' easier, no? |
| 22:30.44 | onikazi | azeem: he's a college student and I think it's more of a hobby interest |
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| 22:31.25 | valdyn | ribnitz: if they used only the posix api, but mac os x has a whole GUI to port too |
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| 22:31.46 | tosh| | valdyn understood |
| 22:31.49 | azeem | ribnitz: uhm, no |
| 22:31.52 | tosh| | valdyn http://pastebin.com/942204 :( |
| 22:31.58 | azeem | ribnitz: the Mac OS X GUI is very much not like BSD |
| 22:32.07 | slack101 | http://phpfi.com/247372 |
| 22:32.10 | slack101 | \whats the problem here |
| 22:32.13 | slack101 | still cant compile this |
| 22:32.20 | valdyn | tosh|: is 'stable' the highest distro in your sources.list now? |
| 22:32.31 | tosh| | valdyn yes sir |
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| 22:32.38 | ribnitz | valdyn: There are wms that look similar to mac. |
| 22:32.42 | krazykit_ | slack101, sounds like you need something xml related |
| 22:32.44 | valdyn | tosh|: did you 'apt-get update' |
| 22:32.52 | tosh| | valdyn I did |
| 22:32.55 | slack101 | krazykit, i dont know what that is though |
| 22:32.57 | onikazi | ribnitz: I know it's BSD based (can't get any mac users to admit it though), do you think I should suggest a BSD instead of debian? |
| 22:32.58 | valdyn | ribnitz: umm, what does that have to do with porting the GUI? |
| 22:32.59 | azeem | ribnitz: how does that mean you can run Mac Apps on GNU/Linux? |
| 22:33.37 | valdyn | ribnitz: you're right without knowing it though, there's openstep |
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| 22:34.10 | tosh| | I used to run openstep heh |
| 22:34.14 | valdyn | tosh|: dpkg -l binutils | tail -1 |
| 22:34.20 | tosh| | icons big enough to land helicopters on |
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| 22:34.36 | ribnitz | valdyn: more though about XFCE (the CDE look, ya know..) |
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| 22:34.46 | tosh| | valdyn, iU binutils 2.17cvs2007042 |
| 22:35.00 | valdyn | !info binutils etch |
| 22:35.03 | dpkg | binutils: (The GNU assembler, linker and binary utilities), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.17-3 (etch), Packaged size: 2544 kB, Installed size: 7132 kB |
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| 22:35.42 | valdyn | !sysvinit etch |
| 22:35.58 | valdyn | !info sysvinit etch |
| 22:36.02 | dpkg | sysvinit: (System-V-like init utilities), section admin, is required. Version: 2.86.ds1-38 (etch), Packaged size: 104 kB, Installed size: 272 kB |
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| 22:36.06 | slack101 | anyone else here ? |
| 22:36.15 | valdyn | tosh|: that binutils package is to new |
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| 22:36.36 | valdyn | tosh|: get the older package from http://packages.debian.org/ and dpkg -i that.deb |
| 22:36.36 | irule_ | where is netstat? apt-get install says ts not there? |
| 22:36.38 | chemist | how can I put tunes on an ipod with debian? |
| 22:36.52 | valdyn | tosh|: you might have to repeat that for more packages that are to new |
| 22:36.53 | azeem | slack101: we told you what exactly the problem is |
| 22:36.59 | slack101 | did ? |
| 22:37.08 | slack101 | sorry i went to eat |
| 22:37.12 | tosh| | valdyn, understood, I'll try that, thanks for your help |
| 22:37.14 | onikazi | azeem: so you think I shouldn't try to talk him out of the mac? the closet thing I could find to final cut pro was cinelerra. |
| 22:37.22 | ribnitz | chemist: I heard (but did neither verify, for lack of ipod that the ipod behaves like an usb storage device. |
| 22:37.28 | tosh| | azeem thanks also for the pointers |
| 22:37.36 | azeem | onikazi: is he a professional musician |
| 22:37.39 | slack101 | azeem, what was that problem again ? |
| 22:37.41 | onikazi | no |
| 22:37.58 | azeem | slack101: the build system does not add -lxml2 |
| 22:38.00 | ribnitz | onikazi: Is he a Comp. Sci professional? |
| 22:38.04 | onikazi | azeem: no, |
| 22:38.14 | chemist | ribnitz: it does, but its formated "ipod style" not as a removable hd |
| 22:38.16 | slack101 | azeem, how did it compile xml.o then ? |
| 22:38.24 | valdyn | tosh|: or sysvinit, which you somehow seem to have removed. Dont even think about rebooting before that is fixed |
| 22:38.27 | onikazi | ribnitz: no he just got out of high school |
| 22:38.31 | azeem | slack101: compiling is something different to linking |
| 22:38.43 | azeem | you only need headers to compile something, you need the actual library to link something |
| 22:38.52 | slack101 | azeem, i jus top make ........ so do i have to change the make file ? |
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| 22:39.05 | azeem | the former went fine (because the build system added -I/usr/include/xml2), the latter not |
| 22:39.06 | ribnitz | onikazi: Macs are perfectly fine; except for being a little pricey. |
| 22:39.27 | slack101 | azeem, do i add that in the make file ? |
| 22:39.45 | ribnitz | onikazi: They are also not systems to play around with, on a hw level. |
| 22:39.56 | azeem | slack101: I told you before, you need to fix the build system, yes |
| 22:40.15 | slack101 | could you sort of assist me with that ? |
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| 22:41.09 | onikazi | ribnitz: thanks, I'll stop trying to talk him out of the mac. |
| 22:41.10 | ribnitz | onikazi: I am getting my mother one, because I am sick of her computer support questions. |
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| 22:41.42 | ribnitz | onikazi: Mac is the sexsiest unix you can get. |
| 22:42.31 | martiinez | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.40 | onikazi | ribnitz: I don't have a real issue with it. I just don't like it's price or the arrogance of most of its users |
| 22:42.51 | slack101 | azeem, what should i do change the make file or ? |
| 22:43.15 | valdyn | macbooks used to be cheap actually, i dont know how prices changed since then |
| 22:43.49 | azeem | slack101: if you do not know how to fix the Makefile, don't compile it by hand |
| 22:43.52 | azeem | slack101: or ask the author |
| 22:44.02 | slack101 | ive jusnever had ot do it |
| 22:44.37 | valdyn | slack101: what are you trying to compile btw? |
| 22:44.42 | slack101 | azeem, LDFLAGS= -lxml2 << this is in the make file |
| 22:45.06 | azeem | slack101: then find out why it did not propagate to the compile line, where is LDFLAGS being used? |
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| 22:45.35 | slack101 | all i need ot be looking at is the makefile right ? |
| 22:45.36 | ribnitz | valdyn: 1100-1500 US, with 1 gig of mem, 13" display, and betwen 80 and 160 GB HDD |
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| 22:46.04 | trotrozoulie | coucou |
| 22:46.12 | madahnono | salut |
| 22:46.15 | madahnono | ca va? |
| 22:46.52 | trotrozoulie | eh |
| 22:46.55 | trotrozoulie | on se reveille |
| 22:46.55 | madahnono | les pd |
| 22:46.57 | trotrozoulie | sinon j'appelle |
| 22:46.59 | trotrozoulie | félicien |
| 22:47.12 | azeem | trotrozoulie, madahnono: This is an english channel |
| 22:47.13 | madahnono | il a chopé le coum coum? |
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| 22:47.19 | madahnono | what do you mean azeem? |
| 22:47.25 | azeem | write in english |
| 22:47.26 | azeem | !fr |
| 22:47.26 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:47.28 | valdyn | ribnitz: cheaper than thinkpad t series, but probably not as good as ;) |
| 22:47.29 | trotrozoulie | cum cum mania |
| 22:47.33 | trotrozoulie | cum cum mania |
| 22:47.37 | madahnono | i don't understand |
| 22:47.41 | madahnono | what do you mean? |
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| 22:48.04 | ribnitz | valdyn: about 200-300 US more expensive than a similarly equipped other-brand. |
| 22:48.10 | azeem | trotrozoulie: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for writing non-english |
| 22:48.11 | onikazi | valdyn: if you compare a mac to a high end dell or hp they are cheaper. but how many people do you know that spend a few thousand on a dell or hp? most people I know either buy a computer around $600 or get a custom built. |
| 22:48.17 | madahnono | lol |
| 22:48.19 | madahnono | trotrozoulie |
| 22:48.20 | azeem | trotrozoulie: please go to #debian-fr for french support |
| 22:48.25 | madahnono | un arabe t'as dit de te taire |
| 22:48.27 | madahnono | je l'aurais mal pris |
| 22:48.30 | madahnono | azeem |
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| 22:48.39 | azeem | madahnono: you as well |
| 22:48.57 | trotrozoulie | pd |
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| 22:49.14 | slack101 | azeem, what are you doing ? |
| 22:49.20 | abrotman | the same guys again ? |
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| 22:49.29 | slack101 | banned like 3 people |
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| 22:49.45 | valdyn | onikazi: yea, talking desktops, sure |
| 22:49.46 | azeem | slack101: and? |
| 22:49.55 | valdyn | onikazi: i was talking notebooks ( without saying ) |
| 22:50.00 | slack101 | feel a little powerful today ? |
| 22:50.53 | tosh| | valdyn, trying to install the .deb of sysv-rc from packages.debian.org but dpkg wants update-rc.d which is IN the sysv-rc package.. chicken-egg kinda situation ;) |
| 22:51.22 | valdyn | tosh|: cpio i <file.deb>, contains tar's, which again contain files.. |
| 22:51.36 | valdyn | toch|: cpio -i even |
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| 22:52.17 | azeem | slack101: do you think it is alright to spam this channel with french nonsense? |
| 22:52.21 | onikazi | valdyn: notebooks are expensive regardless of platform, although I have heard macbooks have more reliable hardware. don't know if that is just mac hype though |
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| 22:54.55 | ribnitz | onikazi: It all depends on usage pattern I guess. I would not want a notebook as only comp. |
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| 22:58.12 | onikazi | ribnitz: I understand I've had both. I would never rely on a laptop for very long, they were great when I had to work out of town alot, but both laptops I bought had major hardware failures with less than 2 years of use. |
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| 22:58.59 | slack101 | azeem, no i was just messing but a kick would have been better ;) |
| 22:59.13 | slack101 | azeem, i still need help compiling my app |
| 22:59.13 | valdyn | onikazi: that's common. That's why you buy notebooks with 3 years warrenty and good support. |
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| 22:59.43 | azeem | did you figure out whether LDFLAGS gets used to link? |
| 23:00.16 | slack101 | how cna i figure that out ? |
| 23:00.43 | azeem | see where else in the Makefile it gets referenced |
| 23:01.14 | onikazi | valdyn: I know, it was my fault I was being cheap and didn't buy a long enough warranty. |
| 23:01.16 | daeos | azeem: those guys were in here ... wasn't it 3 or 4 days ago? |
| 23:01.30 | daeos | i think you kicked them at that time also |
| 23:01.49 | slack101 | azeem, http://phpfi.com/247399 |
| 23:01.56 | slack101 | theres the makefile |
| 23:02.13 | azeem | daeos: yes |
| 23:02.35 | _RedShift_ | you know what i notice? |
| 23:02.48 | azeem | slack101: seems like $(LDFLAGS) doesn't get used in the link line |
| 23:02.53 | _RedShift_ | my laptop battery runs three times as long under debian as it does under winxp |
| 23:02.53 | daeos | azeem: i guess banning does not really help... |
| 23:02.54 | azeem | (line 15) |
| 23:03.07 | azeem | daeos: no, being eternally vigilant helps :) |
| 23:03.09 | slack101 | azeem, so how cna i fix this :P |
| 23:04.24 | azeem | slack101: try to add $(LDFLAGS) next to $(LIBS) in line 15 |
| 23:05.00 | onikazi | _Redshift_: I wonder if it has to do with resource usage |
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| 23:06.59 | valdyn | _RedShift_: the XP installation that it shipped with? |
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| 23:08.30 | slack101 | azeem, same problem |
| 23:08.37 | slack101 | http://phpfi.com/247401 |
| 23:08.41 | slack101 | theres after the change |
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| 23:10.07 | azeem | slack101: is LDFLAGS being overwritten by environment or something? |
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| 23:10.47 | slack101 | azeem, how would that happen ? |
| 23:11.16 | slack101 | azeem, does it make a new makefile everytime i compile ? |
| 23:11.18 | slack101 | sorry |
| 23:11.19 | slack101 | configure ? |
| 23:12.03 | azeem | are you rerunning configure? |
| 23:12.06 | valdyn | slack101: why are you dealing with this pos that cant even ship a non-broken makefile? |
| 23:12.13 | azeem | check whether the Makefile still has your modification |
| 23:12.26 | slack101 | azeem, i did |
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| 23:12.41 | azeem | then you will have to change Makefile.in or Makefile.am |
| 23:12.54 | slack101 | ok worked |
| 23:13.00 | slack101 | it worked |
| 23:13.08 | tosh| | anyone know what to do when the pre/post installscript fails when installing a .deb package? http://pastebin.com/942211 in this case sed is the evildoer. I could manually install the files but then the package would be absent which would break dependencies with other packages... |
| 23:13.40 | azeem | tosh|: upgrade sed first |
| 23:13.46 | valdyn | !info initramfs-tools sid |
| 23:13.49 | dpkg | initramfs-tools: (tools for generating an initramfs), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.88 (sid), Packaged size: 64 kB, Installed size: 388 kB |
| 23:14.32 | valdyn | !info initramfs-tools etch |
| 23:14.35 | dpkg | initramfs-tools: (tools for generating an initramfs), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.85g (etch), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 157 kB |
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| 23:15.00 | valdyn | tosh|: i dont believe the package is broken, but your sed might be an ancient version still |
| 23:15.34 | valdyn | tosh|: so there's various ways to solve this- but maybe installing the etch sed is best |
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| 23:15.52 | tosh| | valdyn alrighty |
| 23:16.08 | ribnitz | looks like the compile worked. |
| 23:16.13 | ribnitz | going to test. |
| 23:16.42 | daeos | looking up the definition of 'ping' is really funny |
| 23:17.01 | mosno | daeos: paste URL |
| 23:17.19 | daeos | i can just tell you the acronym |
| 23:17.22 | ribnitz | daeos: Packet Internet Network Gopher.. |
| 23:17.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay, guys - I have a very strange Debian problem. Basically, when I try to mount my external hard drive, mount starts eating up all the CPU cycles on that particular CPU core - yet I tried to mount it on a livecd, and that works perfectly |
| 23:17.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out? |
| 23:17.57 | daeos | ribnitz: someone did a typeo on this site then |
| 23:18.03 | valdyn | hah, i always assumed it was a nautic ( sonar ) expression |
| 23:18.09 | ribnitz | daeos: I might be wrong |
| 23:18.33 | slack101 | what is the dev package of GTK called ? |
| 23:18.47 | daeos | ribnitz: PING (Packet Internet Groper) |
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| 23:19.02 | daeos | i found the groper part funny |
| 23:19.23 | ribnitz | daeos: yep. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ping |
| 23:19.44 | vorpal | slack101: http://packages.debian.org |
| 23:19.49 | ribnitz | rebooting. might never see you again |
| 23:20.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello, can anyone please give me a hand? :) |
| 23:20.01 | vorpal | slack101: apt-cache searck gtk | grep dev |
| 23:20.51 | daeos | !hand Dark_Apostrophe |
| 23:20.59 | daeos | guess not |
| 23:21.13 | daeos | !applaude Dark_Apostrophe |
| 23:21.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | *can anyone please help me out? |
| 23:21.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | :P |
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| 23:21.40 | daeos | !ask |
| 23:21.40 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:21.46 | vorpal | !smart-questions Dark_Apostrophe |
| 23:21.47 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: stop being annoying |
| 23:21.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | I already asked it... |
| 23:21.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | Half a page up |
| 23:22.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'll repeat it: |
| 23:22.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay, guys - I have a very strange Debian problem. Basically, when I try to mount my external hard drive, mount starts eating up all the CPU cycles on that particular CPU core - yet I tried to mount it on a livecd, and that works perfectly |
| 23:22.06 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: don't |
| 23:22.09 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: debug it |
| 23:22.16 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 23:22.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | I looked at dmesg - nothing useful |
| 23:22.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | Sid |
| 23:22.31 | azeem | try with other media |
| 23:22.45 | eifzon | what is the debian etch mulitmedia repo? |
| 23:22.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | USB sticks work fine |
| 23:22.47 | onikazi | Dark_Apostrophe: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise |
| 23:23.01 | vorpal | Dark_Apostrophe: any particular reason you are using sid? |
| 23:23.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Only the hard drive has the problem |
| 23:23.13 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: then debug it |
| 23:23.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | vorpal: Yeah, I got sick of packages being four weeks old in Lenny |
| 23:23.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: How? I tried dmesg.. |
| 23:23.30 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: did you go to the BTS ? |
| 23:23.33 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: gdb/strace |
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| 23:23.43 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: or try to downgrade to the testing kernel/mount |
| 23:23.56 | vorpal | Dark_Apostrophe: sid is for testers. congratulations, you are now a tester. test away ;-) |
| 23:23.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: Also, I need to kill -9 to kill mount, regular killall won't work |
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| 23:24.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: BTS? |
| 23:24.16 | abrotman | wow |
| 23:24.20 | abrotman | !btssmite Dark_Apostrophe |
| 23:24.21 | azeem | !bts |
| 23:24.21 | dpkg | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 23:24.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | *doh* |
| 23:24.37 | ksdncv | is there some tricky way to compile a module instead of make path/to/module.ko so init and termination functions are called ? just compiled a module and the first printk in the init function doesnt even get called |
| 23:25.07 | ksdncv | apparently all compiles fine, can modprobe it properly, appears in lsmod, just doesnt init |
| 23:25.24 | azeem | ksdncv: try a kernel programming chan |
| 23:25.27 | vorpal | ksdncv: did you check the log? |
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| 23:25.55 | ksdncv | azeem, which channel would you recommend? |
| 23:26.03 | vorpal | ksdncv: printks only go to the console and syslog |
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| 23:26.06 | azeem | #kernelnewbies on oftc |
| 23:26.31 | ksdncv | checked both console and dmesg, no trace there of messages |
| 23:26.33 | valdyn | ksdncv: how are you accessing those printks? |
| 23:26.38 | ksdncv | azeem thx |
| 23:26.50 | valdyn | ksdncv: the way you compiled is fine. |
| 23:27.01 | valdyn | ksdncv: got to be your code, i guess |
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| 23:27.46 | h3sp4wn | ksdncv: example of a Makefile I recently wrote (original build system is massively complicated) - http://paste.debian.net/32039 |
| 23:28.05 | ksdncv | applied coretemp patch |
| 23:28.10 | eifzon | anyone got a multimedia repo for debian etch? |
| 23:28.22 | h3sp4wn | !tell eifzon about debian-multimedia |
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| 23:29.01 | stoned | eifzon: what are you looking for? |
| 23:29.10 | eifzon | stoned: multimedia repo :P |
| 23:29.16 | stoned | eifzon: but what exactly? |
| 23:29.29 | eifzon | stoned: so i can get like vlc, rar, unrar and so on |
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| 23:29.36 | stoned | !dmm |
| 23:29.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 23:29.43 | stoned | vlc rar unrar are not here |
| 23:29.49 | stoned | rar unrar are in non-free |
| 23:29.54 | eifzon | ok |
| 23:29.55 | stoned | vlc is in debian main |
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| 23:30.00 | eifzon | where shall i edit that |
| 23:30.04 | onikazi | eifzon: I installed automatix 2, I have everything from there |
| 23:30.10 | stoned | debian multimedia only contains mplayer + w32codecs |
| 23:30.34 | stoned | onikazi: this is debian, not ubuntu. Etch automatix if one exists is highly inadvisable |
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| 23:30.53 | stoned | not advised |
| 23:31.07 | onikazi | stoned: it worked, everything is fully functional |
| 23:31.27 | abrotman | automatix isn't even based on debian |
| 23:31.27 | azeem | onikazi: please don't advertise it in here |
| 23:31.31 | onikazi | azeem: ok, sorry |
| 23:31.44 | stoned | eifzon: you edit sources in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:31.46 | abrotman | oh .. it goes over top of your distro .. like the ximian stuff |
| 23:31.55 | stoned | !tell eifzon -about non-free |
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| 23:32.44 | wireddd | ok all of the icons in my qt apps are not showing up |
| 23:32.54 | koekiejup | Can sombody explain me when i do apt-get install vnc4server , why does this not work ? |
| 23:32.55 | abrotman | eh .. kind of |
| 23:33.22 | stoned | !doesn't work |
| 23:33.22 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 23:33.27 | slack101 | im searchhing for a file on my system |
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| 23:33.34 | slack101 | whats the easiest way to find it ? |
| 23:33.39 | tosh| | valdyn, manually installed a bunch of packages which fixed the glibc upgrade process. installed my 2.6.18 kernel image successfully and now doing a dist-upgrade. looking good! |
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| 23:33.55 | stoned | slack101: sudo updatedb, then use locate |
| 23:33.55 | valdyn | tosh|: nice! |
| 23:34.22 | koekiejup | yea doesn't |
| 23:34.26 | valdyn | tosh|: did you reboot already once? |
| 23:34.28 | onikazi | what about adept? |
| 23:34.42 | valdyn | tosh|: i.e. is that 2.6.18 the one you are running now? |
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| 23:35.12 | valdyn | onikazi: that's just another package manager for debian, not different packages |
| 23:35.16 | tosh| | valdyn gonna reboot after the dist-upgrade, not running it yet |
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| 23:35.54 | onikazi | valdyn: I just remember finding the non-free rar packages there |
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| 23:36.10 | valdyn | onikazi: that is not a feature of adept |
| 23:36.22 | Neil- | Hi guys.. how does debian probe for monitor/vga card information? |
| 23:36.37 | azeem | Neil-: depends on the version, I guess |
| 23:36.39 | Neil- | My debian machine makes a perfect xorg.conf, with resolutions, refresh rates /sync rates, names of devices, everything.. |
| 23:36.41 | valdyn | onikazi: apt-get would have it too, or aptitude, or synaptic, or whatever debian package manager |
| 23:37.00 | Neil- | I have another similar machine with slack that makes completely generic useless config files for xorg.. |
| 23:37.01 | onikazi | valdyn: ok |
| 23:37.11 | Neil- | Debian 4.. Trying to figure out how to imitate it |
| 23:37.30 | valdyn | Neil-: get-edid | parse-edid or somesuch |
| 23:37.39 | abrotman | read-edid ? |
| 23:37.39 | stoned | read-edid |
| 23:37.45 | stoned | !install x |
| 23:37.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or <xorg> |
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| 23:37.55 | abrotman | i thought .. |
| 23:38.11 | valdyn | Neil-: or maybe not at all, new Xorg does all that on runtime |
| 23:38.17 | wireddd | edid does not work correctly for me |
| 23:38.36 | abrotman | oh .. the package is read-edid |
| 23:38.41 | stoned | etch detects my monitor and video card and stuff perfectly |
| 23:39.06 | valdyn | does etch still write modelines into /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 23:39.09 | wireddd | my monitors return bad edid info |
| 23:39.17 | stoned | valdyn: not that i kno of |
| 23:39.32 | Neil- | ta guys |
| 23:39.38 | wireddd | my monitor claims to support more refresh rates than it actually does |
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| 23:41.40 | peter__ | what was the microsoft fonts package name ? |
| 23:42.09 | stoned | until I installed windows xp, I didn't know my monitor could do 1024x768@115Hz |
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| 23:42.15 | abrotman | msttcorefonts |
| 23:42.19 | peter__ | thanks |
| 23:42.36 | stoned | !tell peter__ -about search |
| 23:42.44 | abrotman | peter__: apt-cache search microsoft fonts |
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| 23:43.25 | peter__ | bye |
| 23:43.53 | valdyn | dpkg: install x =~ s/read-edid/read-edid (386 only)/ |
| 23:43.53 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'read-edid', valdyn |
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| 23:44.05 | valdyn | dpkg: 'install x' =~ s/read-edid/read-edid (386 only)/ |
| 23:44.06 | dpkg | valdyn: i didn't have anything called ''install x'' to modify |
| 23:44.06 | abrotman | !literal install x |
| 23:44.06 | dpkg | "install x" is "<reply> see install xf4" |
| 23:44.24 | valdyn | !xf4 |
| 23:44.24 | dpkg | xf4 is, like, XFree86 version 4.x (http://www.xfree86.org/), or packaged by Branden 'Overfiend' Robinson (http://people.debian.org/~branden). For XF4 for potato goto (http://people.debian.org/~cpbotha/), or note that xf4 on potato is *not* considered stable, or ask me about xf4.2, or you shouldn't be using potato anyway |
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| 23:44.54 | valdyn | wtf |
| 23:45.17 | abrotman | !install xf43 |
| 23:45.18 | abrotman | !install xf4 |
| 23:45.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or <xorg> |
| 23:45.30 | abrotman | dpkg: install xf4 =~ s/read-edid/read-edid (386 only)/ |
| 23:45.31 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 23:46.07 | abrotman | valdyn: feel better? :) |
| 23:46.08 | valdyn | potato.. |
| 23:46.20 | valdyn | abrotman: nah, i feel like deleting the whole thing |
| 23:46.31 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:47.15 | daeos | isn't xorg ... better than xfree? |
| 23:47.31 | frankr | anyone here heard of something called relaxscan |
| 23:47.35 | abrotman | xfree isn't really developed anymore |
| 23:47.40 | abrotman | frankg: google ? |
| 23:47.45 | abrotman | grr .. frankr |
| 23:47.46 | daeos | oh i see, but xorg is active... great news |
| 23:47.54 | frankr | I tried |
| 23:47.55 | frankr | nothing |
| 23:48.07 | frankr | It corrected to the name of some matress company |
| 23:48.23 | daeos | i googled relaxscan.... and.... |
| 23:48.27 | frankr | its a brute force password checking program I think for linux.. and I found it on my dedicated server a few minutes ago, dunno how someone got it in /dev/shm |
| 23:48.32 | daeos | notta |
| 23:49.09 | frankr | I gotta firewall that thing.. I need a really simple, easy to setup firewall.. iptables confuses me |
| 23:49.31 | vorpal | frankr: apt-cache search firewall |
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| 23:50.35 | vorpal | frankr: i'm using arno-iptablkes-firewall. it's very simple |
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| 23:51.54 | nite613_ | I suggest narc |
| 23:52.49 | Solid | hi, why can't i change the brightness and constrast in totem on GNOME? |
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| 23:54.40 | legis | Hi, how do i start a new X session? |
| 23:54.55 | azeem | what happened to your current one? |
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| 23:55.47 | geo-rge | or, what do you want to do with your current one? |
| 23:55.48 | legis | azeem: nothing, just wanna try to wm. |
| 23:55.54 | legis | two |
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| 23:56.11 | legis | at the same time. |
| 23:56.26 | geo-rge | oh, howbout having an X on :1 and vt8 |
| 23:56.28 | valdyn | legis: try running gdmflexiserver |
| 23:56.51 | geo-rge | or just xn |
| 23:56.56 | geo-rge | err xnest |
| 23:57.09 | ksdncv | ok, now works, for some reason apt-get source gave me the source of a different kernel and didnt notice :( thx |
| 23:57.10 | legis | how about startx -- :1 ? |
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