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| 00:06.02 | legis | thanks |
| 00:06.14 | RvGaTe | http://www.linuxalt.com/ <- maybe a good idea to add this to the bot.. for all the newcomers to linux... ? |
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| 00:06.39 | stoned | RvGaTe: yo |
| 00:06.45 | RvGaTe | stoned, omg ! |
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| 00:06.47 | RvGaTe | :) |
| 00:07.00 | stoned | whats goin on man |
| 00:07.09 | RvGaTe | just browsing |
| 00:07.35 | stoned | me too man, I'm just stonin |
| 00:07.48 | stoned | I ditched xp cuz i finished playing oblivion man |
| 00:07.54 | RvGaTe | haha |
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| 00:08.06 | RvGaTe | i got stoned for the first time last weekend :O |
| 00:08.06 | stoned | I am now back on debian with my desktop |
| 00:08.13 | stoned | omg haha |
| 00:08.21 | RvGaTe | we baked a spacecake |
| 00:08.27 | RvGaTe | took 2 slices.. |
| 00:08.27 | Ramon | Hello... :)... how can I make my debian recognize the "atx form card" it has (it is the one that has 2 usb ports, one ps/2 and one infrared" |
| 00:08.31 | RvGaTe | man, i was sick.. |
| 00:08.42 | stoned | RvGaTe: sick as in good, or bad? |
| 00:08.54 | RvGaTe | stoned, as in terrible... very bad experience |
| 00:09.03 | stoned | RvGaTe: that sucks |
| 00:09.24 | RvGaTe | stoned, maybe not... at least it makes sure im never touching it again.. |
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| 00:09.46 | Ramon | ...spacecakes hehe :P |
| 00:09.49 | Ramon | cool |
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| 00:10.15 | Ramon | but... is there anyway to install an "atx form card" to my computer and make debian recognize it |
| 00:10.40 | stoned | RvGaTe: yeh man, stay away from that shit |
| 00:11.12 | stoned | that stuff will melt your brain man, you shouldn't do drugs. |
| 00:11.24 | RvGaTe | tells a guy named stoned.. :P |
| 00:11.59 | stoned | yes he does, doesn't he |
| 00:12.06 | tosh| | I got a new 2.6.18 kernel image installed but when trying to boot it, the laptop reboots after loading initrd.. any ideas? |
| 00:13.08 | Ramon | hello.. I have an "ATX form card" installed on my linux box.. that card has 2 usb, 1 ps2 and 1 infrared.. debian recognizes the ps2 and the infrared but the usb's are not working.. what can I do? |
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| 00:13.37 | cTaT1k | Does Debian stable ever get package updates? |
| 00:13.45 | daeos | spacecake? |
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| 00:14.03 | RvGaTe | daeos, just a cake, with a shitload of weed in it.. |
| 00:14.07 | abrotman | cTaT1k: for security and some RC bugs |
| 00:14.08 | daeos | oh i see |
| 00:14.11 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 00:14.11 | dpkg | "Stable" is a release, and it does not change much at all over its lifetime. There is a known set of bugs, and it gets security updates, and point releases. Some will consider this as 'stale', while others consider this one of the great advantages of Debian. http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
| 00:15.07 | cTaT1k | abrotman: Okay well say I installed etch 4.0rev0 and put three stable repos in my apt sources.list, will I get non security updates when a new release is made? |
| 00:15.31 | cTaT1k | Esentially I'd have to upgrade from etch->lenny, right? |
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| 00:15.40 | RvGaTe | stoned, im trying to adjust my interface to something new... i wanna try a dark theme... know any good ones? :) (i know you got a shitload of themes :P) |
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| 00:15.53 | wireddd | when lenny becomes stable |
| 00:15.58 | abrotman | cTaT1k: no .. when there is a point release (4.0r1) you'll get those |
| 00:16.10 | stoned | RvGaTe: I'm a light colored man |
| 00:16.26 | RvGaTe | stoned, im sure you got some nice dark themes :P |
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| 00:16.33 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 00:16.39 | Ramon | hello.. can someone please help me? |
| 00:16.41 | Ramon | hello.. I have an "ATX form card" installed on my linux box.. that card has 2 usb, 1 ps2 and 1 infrared.. debian recognizes the ps2 and the infrared but the usb's are not working.. what can I do? |
| 00:16.56 | cTaT1k | abrotman: Are new packages ever added to point releases? Like say for example now that 'gaim' has renamed to 'pidgin', would that likely be in 4.0rc1? |
| 00:17.26 | abrotman | no |
| 00:17.36 | stoned | RvGaTe: http://youfuck.mypets.ws/screenshots/kde.mac.jpg |
| 00:17.36 | abrotman | it's not 4.0rc1 .. just 4.0r1 |
| 00:17.38 | abrotman | no 'c' |
| 00:17.59 | stoned | RvGaTe: not really, I don't like dark themes |
| 00:18.09 | wireddd | cTaT1k: you really want to be running testing |
| 00:18.20 | RvGaTe | abrotman, could you add a a faq to the bot, http://www.linuxalt.com/ for beginners who need to find the right software... ? |
| 00:18.27 | Ramon | hello.. I have an "ATX form card" installed on my linux box.. that card has 2 usb, 1 ps2 and 1 infrared.. debian recognizes the ps2 and the infrared but the usb's are not working.. what can I do? |
| 00:18.49 | RvGaTe | Ramon, you can start with not repeating ur question :) |
| 00:19.03 | Ramon | sorry but i thought no one was reading me |
| 00:19.07 | Ramon | no one answers.. |
| 00:19.10 | cTaT1k | wireddd: Why are you suggesting testing to me if you run unstable? |
| 00:19.41 | stoned | Ramon: then either no one knows, or no one cares |
| 00:19.48 | Ramon | i go for the 2nd one |
| 00:19.50 | RvGaTe | Ramon, dont worry about that, people always read, but only answer when they can |
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| 00:20.06 | Ramon | ... thanks anyways |
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| 00:20.16 | RvGaTe | what a moron.. |
| 00:20.19 | wireddd | because testing is very close to unstable, with about a 14 day lag if the package has no bugs |
| 00:20.35 | cTaT1k | okay |
| 00:21.25 | wireddd | just go in /etc/apt/sources.list and change etch or stable to testing, do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:22.58 | ksdncv | cTaT1k you can also use backports (www.backports.org iirc), never tried using those tho |
| 00:22.59 | cTaT1k | I like the idea of staying on stable on manually compiling any new package functionality I need. ;x |
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| 00:23.37 | mosno | cTaT1k: check out pbuilder |
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| 00:23.56 | mosno | cTaT1k: i haven't yet used it (it's on the TODO, learning C first!) -- but it seems perfect for backporting. |
| 00:25.23 | wireddd | cTaT1k: it is a waste of time testing is very stable |
| 00:25.55 | mosno | wireddd: Debian Testing? |
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| 00:26.04 | wireddd | yes |
| 00:26.08 | Arafangion | wireddd: For you, perhaps. |
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| 00:26.36 | mosno | yea, Testing is not stable. This should be obvious :) |
| 00:26.41 | frankr | SFTP operates on port 22 right |
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| 00:26.54 | wireddd | if you are going to be backporting more than a few packages and it is a home system, testing is a better option IMO |
| 00:27.18 | cartesian1984 | Is it possible to get 3D acceleration with open drivers and an ATI Radeon X300? This: http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=7481 seems to indicate that it's possible, but I have no idea what to do. |
| 00:27.26 | mosno | wireddd: depends if you like unpredicatble breakage or not |
| 00:27.32 | cartesian1984 | At least, the ones shipping with Debian aren't giving me DRI. |
| 00:27.34 | abrotman | use the radeon driver |
| 00:27.41 | Arafangion | cartesian1984: open drivers are /partially/ accelerated. |
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| 00:27.51 | mosno | wireddd: if you can't handle backporting, you theoretically can't handle Testing (unless it's late in the release cycle for say Lenny) |
| 00:27.55 | abrotman | Arafangion: depending on your card |
| 00:27.58 | Arafangion | cartesian1984: Just not to the same degree of the ATI binary drivers. |
| 00:28.02 | Arafangion | abrotman: Oh? Cool. |
| 00:29.18 | cartesian1984 | Arafangion: yeah, but with many of them, it seems pretty complete, as, at very least, the games actually run. Another problem I'm having is that when anything tries to go fullscreen, I get a 'Cannot display this video mode' on my monitor and I have to kill X. |
| 00:30.05 | cartesian1984 | I get good framerates with the closed drivers, it's just that I can't go fullscreen. Haven't tried with the open drivers yet. |
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| 00:30.37 | Arafangion | cartesian1984: Some (most? all?)of the ATI closed drivers are frankly buggy. |
| 00:31.31 | wireddd | mosno: frankly I have had more problems with stable than testing |
| 00:31.52 | wireddd | mostly due to older versions of applications |
| 00:31.59 | cartesian1984 | Arafangion: I've gotten it to work with the ATI closed drivers before though (but I really wish there were good open drivers). |
| 00:32.16 | mosno | wireddd: fair enough. but testing is not "very stable". |
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| 00:32.20 | cartesian1984 | Well, "complete" open drivers I should say. |
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| 00:32.41 | wireddd | mosno: I disagree |
| 00:32.52 | Arafangion | cartesian1984: The ones I'm using at the moment for perfectly for every situation except the damned standby/hibernation :( |
| 00:32.54 | wireddd | mosno: It is stable from the point of reliability |
| 00:33.13 | Arafangion | wireddd: Also more stable in that updates don't change random stuff. |
| 00:33.34 | mosno | wireddd: your mileage seemingly does vary |
| 00:33.41 | Arafangion | wireddd: In stable, things are required to work the same as, or better - there should be absolutely no regressions (ideally). |
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| 00:33.50 | Arafangion | wireddd: But testing is allowed to regress. |
| 00:34.10 | Arafangion | wireddd: And change, you might have to reconfigure some application, for example. |
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| 00:34.43 | frankr | huh, thats good |
| 00:34.48 | wireddd | Arafangion: but running testing is a better idea than constantly backporting |
| 00:34.59 | frankr | installed and ran arno-iptables-firewall.. made sure to have port 22 open for ssh |
| 00:35.05 | frankr | and now ssh won't connect |
| 00:35.07 | frankr | and no ports are open |
| 00:35.21 | frankr | not even.. 80 |
| 00:35.22 | frankr | x_x |
| 00:35.36 | Arafangion | wireddd: One wonders why you're constantly backporting. I have only had to backport a very few programs, and nothing stops you from ./configure --prefix=/home/user'ing your ownprograms. |
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| 00:36.51 | limpio | hi, anybody using the artwiz-cursor? |
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| 00:37.20 | wireddd | Arafangion: I don't anymore, I use unstable now |
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| 00:39.15 | cartesian1984 | Gentlemen, depending on the level of your religiosity, please say a prayer, or say a hope :) |
| 00:39.35 | wireddd | a hope |
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| 00:42.50 | frankr | .. haha |
| 00:42.52 | frankr | iptables v1.3.6: invalid port/service `80,22,21,443' specified |
| 00:42.53 | frankr | ooops |
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| 00:46.29 | stoned | RvGaTe: food |
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| 00:56.32 | mikes1 | Is it possible to install a boot screen in Debian 4.0 |
| 00:56.34 | mikes1 | ? |
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| 00:56.55 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:56.57 | GreaseMonkey | mikes1: i think that's a bootloader thing |
| 00:57.17 | abrotman | there's both |
| 00:57.26 | GreaseMonkey | oh yeah |
| 00:57.30 | force | I know this is a debian channel but most of you people are familiar with GNU tools, what tool can i use to find out physical info on \Device\Harddisk3 on a windows server? I just need to find out what this "\Device\Hardisk3" actually maps to |
| 00:57.38 | GreaseMonkey | hmm, you COULD set up something in your init script |
| 00:57.42 | force | I've used it months ago I just have a bad memory |
| 00:57.52 | force | it's something along the lines of d* with a --list flag |
| 00:58.07 | abrotman | force: maps to in WHAT os ? |
| 00:58.12 | force | windows |
| 00:58.49 | geo-rge | force: coincidentally, I have a bad memory about windows too... |
| 00:59.06 | force | well it's more how do i interpret \Device\Harddisk3 |
| 00:59.07 | geo-rge | I think it has something to do with not learning anything about it... |
| 00:59.28 | force | when they're all sata drives.. |
| 00:59.30 | force | it's hard |
| 00:59.37 | mikes1 | It would be nice to have a boot screen but not vital |
| 00:59.40 | abrotman | try ##windows |
| 00:59.45 | force | okay cheers |
| 01:00.58 | shingouz | someone actually set up such an 3vil channel on this network? very scary thought |
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| 01:05.13 | ksdncv | bye, and thx for your help before |
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| 01:06.46 | stoned | RvGaTe: food |
| 01:07.05 | RvGaTe | stoned, great.. :) thx for that :) |
| 01:08.25 | eifzon | how do i fix this error? "be sure you have "kernel-source" installed", i am trying to install nvidia driver, i am using kernel: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 01:08.44 | mosno | eifzon: are you following the guide on wiki.debian.org |
| 01:08.56 | eifzon | mosno: i cant |
| 01:09.01 | abrotman | why not? |
| 01:09.17 | eifzon | abrotman: i dont know how to use links :P |
| 01:09.24 | abrotman | the browser ? |
| 01:09.55 | geo-rge | (I have to do this...) but, correct me if I'm wrong... you CAN learn, yes? |
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| 01:11.32 | eifzon | :s |
| 01:11.54 | eifzon | abrotman: icant |
| 01:12.01 | abrotman | can't what ? |
| 01:12.08 | abrotman | what does lynx have to do with it ? |
| 01:12.09 | eifzon | use the browser |
| 01:12.10 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:12.10 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 01:12.12 | eifzon | dont got a x |
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| 01:12.28 | eifzon | abrotman: i did another command eariler today |
| 01:13.10 | geo-rge | I'm not actually very sorry to have to say this... but I don't believe you when you say you can't use the browser... is it because you don't know how? or because of some other issue? |
| 01:14.59 | frankr | if I am remote-administering a dedicated server, and I install iptables and it decides to not take my input and block all of the ports, how can iptables be killed other then connecting a monitor and keyboard to the server? is there anyway? |
| 01:15.10 | frankr | this problem seems to have no solutions |
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| 01:16.16 | geo-rge | frankr: a separate port connected to the serial port of the remote which is ssh-able |
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| 01:16.43 | geo-rge | (this comes under the category of "what you can do next time") |
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| 01:17.23 | geo-rge | if you do that, you also need to configure the serial link and then hang a getty on it |
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| 01:18.24 | geo-rge | if you can get a login prompt from the serial line, then you have successfully added a "serial console" to the remote... |
| 01:18.35 | cilkay | Hello. In Mandriva, there is a convenience feature for binding additional IP addresses to eth0. All one has to do is specify the starting and the ending IP address and restart networking. Is there something similar in Etch? I know I can bind additional addresses one at a time but I'm looking for a shortcut. |
| 01:18.40 | geo-rge | on the other side, you somehow have to arrange for it to be sshable |
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| 01:19.25 | slack101 | anyone here ever use Lighttpd ? |
| 01:19.45 | krazykit | !anyone use lighttpd |
| 01:19.45 | dpkg | No, no one uses lighttpd, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:20.14 | daeos | that was cruel |
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| 01:20.24 | geo-rge | !polls |
| 01:20.24 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 01:20.48 | daeos | i like that song |
| 01:20.53 | daeos | !sussudio |
| 01:20.53 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass, daeos! |
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| 01:23.06 | sussudio | ... |
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| 01:24.32 | GreaseMonkey | hehe, just found something cheeky: |
| 01:24.35 | GreaseMonkey | !windows |
| 01:24.35 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 01:24.52 | Krhis | Hahaha |
| 01:24.57 | peterS | that joke is ruined by two things. the (R), and it being really old |
| 01:25.13 | GreaseMonkey | but still, it's nice to have SOMETHING there |
| 01:25.31 | GreaseMonkey | it's not as crap as: |
| 01:25.33 | GreaseMonkey | !microsoft |
| 01:25.33 | dpkg | microsoft is probably the soft conglomerate of stature that provides the food to billions of apathetic morons who want to sit on the asses of their undoing so their minds can melt into the pixelized universe that is The Daily Show |
| 01:25.58 | peterS | GreaseMonkey: both Windows and Microsoft are also off-topic. you can use /msg. |
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| 01:26.28 | GreaseMonkey | i thought nothing was happening :\ |
| 01:27.12 | daeos | yeah |
| 01:27.14 | daeos | nothing is happening |
| 01:27.17 | geo-rge | ...when what was actually happening was someone was watching intently for a violation :) |
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| 01:27.56 | peterS | nothing is, but we still have nothing to do with Microsoft or Windows here. the problem with rampant OT discussion (not that yours was exactly rampant) is that when someone comes in who actually does have a question, one of two things happen: either they feel like they'd be intruding so they keep quiet, or they ask their question and nobody notices. we don't like either of those things. |
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| 01:28.33 | geo-rge | that's fair |
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| 01:29.26 | peterS | also, I have a pet peeve about people who cannot talk about Linux without also talking about Microsoft, as though there were nothing to be said about the one without comparing it to the other. so I'm not as objective about that sort of thing as I could be. |
| 01:29.39 | xored | is it normal that vsftpd runs under root ? |
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| 01:30.00 | peterS | xored: any ftp server has to be able to bind to TCP ports 20 and 21. this usually requires root. |
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| 01:30.26 | peterS | xored: now, inetd can take care of binding 21 for you, but the ftp daemon may still need port 20 after inetd launches it |
| 01:30.28 | xored | peterS: thank you |
| 01:30.59 | xored | peterS: are there any free "mail.servers" for muni alert messages available ? |
| 01:31.15 | geo-rge | xored: but ftpd and telnetd are not so normal because they're insecure |
| 01:31.18 | peterS | "muni alert messages"? I have no idea what you are talking about. so I don't know |
| 01:31.45 | peterS | geo-rge: nonsense, ftpd is only insecure if it you use it for user access. everyone these days uses it mainly for anonymous access |
| 01:31.48 | daeos | peterS: how about people comparing linux to macosx ? ;) |
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| 01:32.16 | peterS | daeos: those are much rarer so they don't bother me as much. but it's the same principle. if you can't talk about Linux without trying to make a comparison to some other system, you aren't a user, you're a fanboy |
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| 01:34.55 | dvs | Avochelm: do some work ;-) |
| 01:35.25 | Avochelm | dvs: no, youtube awaits :) |
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| 01:35.46 | geo-rge | search for "talking cats" on youtube |
| 01:36.09 | Avochelm | must... resist... |
| 01:36.40 | frankr | if someone is doing a regular logon on command prompt, how much time would it take for it to time out? |
| 01:36.43 | frankr | like, a minute or so? |
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| 01:37.17 | peterS | frankr: what do you mean? there is no mechanism to kick you off your terminal installed by default in Debian |
| 01:37.29 | SirSherlock | hi i have a question about a kernel recompilation? |
| 01:37.31 | peterS | you can stay logged in for months |
| 01:37.31 | SirSherlock | ha |
| 01:37.38 | xored | peterS: i mean, if services fail on my server, i want to be messaged. When my mailserver is down, i cant use my local mailserver to do so, so iam asking, if there are free mailserver to do so |
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| 01:37.58 | peterS | xored: oh, I dunno |
| 01:38.05 | SirSherlock | anyone know about recompiling a kernel, ? |
| 01:38.13 | frankr | no, I mean if you're at the login prompt, and its taking forever to type a password, would the login eventually time out? |
| 01:38.17 | peterS | xored: quis custodiet ipsos custodes, though? |
| 01:38.19 | xored | SirSherlock: why do you need that ? |
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| 01:38.30 | geo-rge | !sicco |
| 01:38.30 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 01:38.35 | peterS | frankr: I don't believe it will |
| 01:38.37 | SirSherlock | to get setterm to poweroff my moniter |
| 01:38.47 | SirSherlock | check this link http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=342388 |
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| 01:39.24 | SirSherlock | when konsolebox shows that code...is that dealing with the kernel? |
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| 01:40.18 | daeos | peterS: what did oyu just say? |
| 01:40.21 | daeos | peterS: thats not english |
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| 01:40.45 | peterS | daeos: a well-known Latin phrase, "who will guard the guards?" In this case, I mean who will monitor your monitor daemon? |
| 01:41.55 | daeos | peterS: oh i see |
| 01:42.04 | daeos | peterS: i do not know latin.. sorry |
| 01:42.15 | peterS | daeos: nor do I, that's just a well-known phrase |
| 01:42.28 | daeos | peterS: nor do i know latin phrases |
| 01:42.45 | daeos | but good to learn ;) |
| 01:43.02 | peterS | I've been trying off-and-on to learn Latin for a couple years now, so as to seem more educated. it is slow going when I'm not taking any sort of formal course |
| 01:43.20 | daeos | 'seem' yes... |
| 01:43.20 | daeos | hehe |
| 01:43.36 | abrotman | peterS: it's not working! |
| 01:44.15 | shingouz | abrotman: shh... |
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| 01:45.23 | abrotman | not that i have any room to talk |
| 01:45.51 | xored | i have install monin, configured it to start on port 2812 ( std ) to have an webinsterface. Starting the service and connecting to the port does not work |
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| 01:46.13 | xored | set httpd port 2812 and |
| 01:46.19 | xored | allow XXXX:XXXX |
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| 01:49.14 | Azar | speaking of latin: et pur si muove applies today to the energizer bunny |
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| 01:51.23 | dudeman | energizer |
| 01:51.37 | abrotman | grrr |
| 01:52.13 | shingouz | keeps on going and going and going... i loved the one where he was in the bermuda triangle |
| 01:52.52 | Azar | I love the one where he is abducted by aliens |
| 01:53.25 | shingouz | not seen that one. pity. maybe google would find it? |
| 01:53.47 | Azar | hmmm phoronix now is the third time making noise around ATI linux |
| 01:54.49 | geo-rge | the abducted one is where he does his energy thing which refuels their spaceship... so... they find him... useful... |
| 01:55.08 | dvs | geo-rge: and take him away for good? |
| 01:55.10 | Azar | :) |
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| 01:55.26 | Azar | yeah.. |
| 01:55.43 | geo-rge | dvs: until next commercial :) |
| 01:55.48 | dvs | heh |
| 01:55.53 | Azar | and the earthians are left energizer bunny-less |
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| 01:57.10 | shingouz | i just hope that in the next commercial he does nto appear with a sat dish like cartman did |
| 01:58.01 | dvs | shingouz: now THAT'S a classic! |
| 01:58.09 | Azar | is it just me or there are "suggestions" on the news that Sam H and Mark S are trying to somehow create a Debian-Ubuntu coalition? |
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| 01:58.29 | Azar | hehe shingouz .. |
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| 02:05.27 | maddash_ | !css |
| 02:05.27 | dpkg | CSS DVD security lock see http://livid.on.openprojects.net/ for more information, or cascading style sheets, or http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ or http://www.webreference.com/html/tutorials/ |
| 02:05.45 | dvs | maddash_: pirate! |
| 02:05.57 | maddash_ | dvs: huh? |
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| 02:07.26 | abrotman | maddash_: one C&D wasn't enough ? |
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| 02:08.06 | maddash_ | 'C&D'? |
| 02:08.21 | wols_ | cease and desist |
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| 02:10.22 | maddash_ | er. i'm trying to rescue my 'Independence Day' DVD... |
| 02:12.57 | Azar | hmmm is anyone using CSS anymore? :) |
| 02:13.26 | maddash_ | yep. |
| 02:13.31 | wols_ | maddash_: I tell you a secret: W. Smith wins |
| 02:13.31 | wireddd | anyone else using kde on unstable and not have any icons showing up inside of programs? |
| 02:14.00 | Azar | maddash_: I guess that by now is just a hobby.. |
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| 02:14.22 | maddash_ | wols_: fuck. I was rooting for the screeching flying scarabs. |
| 02:14.34 | Azar | maddash_: forget about Independence Day, try get Transformers :) |
| 02:14.54 | monokrome | Independence Day rox0rs :/ |
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| 02:15.30 | shingouz | ..but does not.. |
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| 02:16.10 | force | i wish australia had an independence day |
| 02:16.12 | force | :( |
| 02:16.14 | force | i'm stuck at work |
| 02:16.25 | Azar | force: fight for it, create one |
| 02:16.31 | abrotman | force: uhm .. you were a penal colony .. no one wanted you :) |
| 02:16.46 | force | haha actually i wasn't.. my grand parents are english |
| 02:16.50 | force | :) |
| 02:17.00 | force | i was just born here |
| 02:17.00 | wireddd | well if you are using unstable and qt apps, don't upgrade right now... |
| 02:17.02 | el_isma | I have a proxy with only one open port (8081). I want to redirect all traffic to that port. The traffic is generated locally. Proxy's IP is 172.16.0.2. As most programs don't support proxys, I thought that maybe rerouting the packets with iptables would do the job. These ( http://paste.debian.net/32041 ) are the rules that I came up with, I'd appreciate if anyone could tell me if they'll work, or if there's another option to do this. |
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| 02:17.11 | Azar | abrotman: meh, they were deported only because they were "different", "rebels" against a rotting society |
| 02:17.16 | maddash_ | abrotman: rofl. |
| 02:18.42 | Azar | the pilgrims left on their own, refusing to live under tyrany, the "future" aussies were just rebels trying to fight for their stuff therefore were deported by force |
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| 02:19.29 | force | i know nothing of australian history and im australian |
| 02:19.31 | force | heh |
| 02:19.48 | Azar | force: you should, it is very interesting... don't miss your history |
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| 02:20.51 | force | hmm |
| 02:21.01 | force | i'd rather fill my brain with technical info |
| 02:21.03 | force | :P lol |
| 02:21.28 | Azar | force: then never try to kiss a girl |
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| 02:21.48 | [Tiju4n0] | ! |
| 02:21.57 | [Tiju4n0] | hi! |
| 02:22.44 | force | i'm surprised i have |
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| 02:29.38 | qwandor | hi, what is the Debian way to configure iptables? |
| 02:29.47 | dvs | ipmasq |
| 02:29.54 | qwandor | I keep seeing references to /etc/init.d/iptables, but I have no such file |
| 02:29.55 | abrotman | ?? |
| 02:30.16 | el_isma | dvs: ipmasq is for masquerade |
| 02:30.46 | dvs | el_isma: it's for masquerading, rerouting, forwarding and a whole bunch of other stuff |
| 02:30.47 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/iptables/* .. start reading |
| 02:32.05 | qwandor | I already know what rules I want; I just need to know where to put them so they will survive a reboot |
| 02:32.22 | dudeman | scorpion wins |
| 02:32.24 | dudeman | fatality! |
| 02:32.40 | cafuego | qwandor: You use iptables-save and iptables-restore in the up and down lines for the interface in interfaces(5) |
| 02:33.04 | cafuego | qwandor: /etc/init.d/iptables is from sarge, not etch. |
| 02:33.07 | el_isma | speaking of which... I need help with my iptables rules.. http://paste.debian.net/32041 |
| 02:33.30 | el_isma | I'm not even sure I need to use iptables |
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| 02:35.13 | intergalactic | I have the same problem... I want to make a DMZ to a internal pc on my network.... still no luck |
| 02:35.58 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 02:35.58 | dpkg | [iptables] the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 02:36.04 | cafuego | just forward all new packets to the DMZ IP, and allow through any non-new packets. |
| 02:36.23 | cafuego | that ort to do it, i think. |
| 02:36.28 | daeos | still on that topic? |
| 02:36.28 | daeos | wow |
| 02:36.49 | intergalactic | I'm using ipmasq... and this script have some rules by default.... |
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| 02:37.19 | cafuego | ipatbles -t nat -A PREROUTING -i ppp0 -j DNAT --to-address <dmz_host_ip> |
| 02:37.26 | cafuego | something like that |
| 02:37.30 | intergalactic | I think that some rule make that my new additions to iptables... |
| 02:38.06 | cafuego | probably check the original to address before doing that |
| 02:38.07 | intergalactic | a question... when I execute the iptables command... is necessary restart iptables??... |
| 02:38.12 | cafuego | intergalactic: no |
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| 02:38.57 | qwandor | abrotman: thanks, but that seems to be about the Sarge way |
| 02:38.57 | Azar | wanna compile your food tonight? http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/obligatory-july-4th-post/how-you-should-cook-your-hot-dogs-tonight-with-electricity-275017.php |
| 02:39.06 | qwandor | cafuego: thanks, I will look at that |
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| 02:39.35 | cTaT1k | What's the functional difference between unrar and unrar-free? |
| 02:39.51 | abrotman | qwandor: they should be for the release you're on |
| 02:39.55 | cafuego | the free one doesn't uncompress some winows torrent porn and warez |
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| 02:41.03 | intergalactic | cafuego: hey |
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| 02:41.08 | cTaT1k | cafuego: Actually, unrar-free doesn't plug into file-roller, like unrar does which allows for GUI extraction. |
| 02:41.29 | el_isma | ark doesn't like unrar-free either |
| 02:41.32 | intergalactic | cafuego: --to-address is bad syntax |
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| 02:42.01 | daeos | im wondering... is there another project similar to wine ? there is a windows app that i want to use and its the only reason why im not fully converting to debian/linux |
| 02:42.07 | cafuego | intergalactic: The man page will tell you the correct syntax. |
| 02:42.32 | intergalactic | cafuego: may be --to-destination? |
| 02:42.42 | daeos | wine does not support the application i use, and so far, no luck in using wine at all with it. |
| 02:42.43 | cafuego | sounds about right, yp |
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| 02:46.55 | Azar | wasn't unrar the bsd baby and unrar-free the debian baby? |
| 02:47.09 | cTaT1k | It looks like all I have to do to have file-roller access .rar files is make a symlink from /usr/bin/unrar to /usr/bin/unrar-free after installing the unrar-free package. (: |
| 02:47.30 | xjkx | i have a router and two machines to share connection, how i block some packages, i mean, the firewall...i want machine 10.0.0.1 to have firewall rules that machine 10.0.0.2 will have to follow |
| 02:48.11 | Azar | daeos: there are lots of packages in Debian that may substitute programs that run under windows.. |
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| 02:49.29 | Azar | meh unrar-free is listed on the unstable |
| 02:50.15 | xjkx | :< |
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| 02:51.56 | daeos | Azar: this is a game |
| 02:52.17 | daeos | Azar: "Conquer Online" |
| 02:52.37 | Azar | daeos: oh.. |
| 02:52.54 | shingouz | daeos: try cedega |
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| 02:54.20 | daeos | not free huh |
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| 02:59.05 | SirSherlock | hi debian users |
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| 02:59.40 | SirSherlock | if i download a new kernel from kernel.org, and use my old 2.6.18 config file.....will that be fine, or will i get errors/secuirty holes...etc?? |
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| 03:00.21 | abrotman | if there are holes in the kernel you compile .. then yes |
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| 03:01.24 | SirSherlock | abrotman: one more thing, when i try to compile i get this error ' NOTHING TO BE DONE' and quits |
| 03:01.35 | SirSherlock | i followed these directions http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
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| 03:01.57 | cTaT1k | I was wrong. file-roller only reads the filenames with unrar-free and can't actually extract the files, hah |
| 03:02.26 | el_isma | cTaT1k: Almost as useless. |
| 03:02.56 | Growly|Work | !yecc |
| 03:03.05 | Growly|Work | !yacc |
| 03:03.05 | dpkg | it has been said that yacc is Yet Another Compiler Compiler, or apt-get install bison |
| 03:03.45 | Growly|Work | i love you dpkg |
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| 03:06.19 | daeos | shingouz: other than cedega, any other suggestions? i'd rather not pay $5 a month for 1 game to work. |
| 03:06.31 | daeos | shingouz: this is a free online game.. i'd like to keep it free |
| 03:06.44 | wols_ | daeos: cedega CVS version |
| 03:07.03 | daeos | cvs ? as in i fix my problems? nice hehe |
| 03:07.08 | wols_ | only difference is copy protection support usually |
| 03:07.14 | wols_ | no, not like that. cedega cvs |
| 03:07.22 | wols_ | their "free" version |
| 03:07.34 | wols_ | cause I doubt your online game has a copy protection built in |
| 03:07.43 | daeos | wols_: oh! "formally known as 'winex' hehe |
| 03:07.52 | daeos | wols_: it doesn't |
| 03:08.08 | daeos | wols_: i edit it with a hex editor to allow multi clients open |
| 03:08.21 | daeos | 'i can' |
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| 03:11.13 | el_isma | wols_: Are there prebuilt debs of cedega cvs? |
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| 03:13.37 | daeos | el_isma: good question, i'd like to know also |
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| 03:20.21 | daeos | wols_: is there? |
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| 03:24.18 | daeos | ok then, is there a known debian package for Cadega CVS? or am I looking at building from scratch on my own? |
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| 03:25.39 | cafuego | you are looking at building from scratch on your own probably |
| 03:26.34 | daeos | ok then |
| 03:26.46 | daeos | looks like im looking into "how to use cvs" |
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| 03:27.30 | daeos | which is good.. i'll be needing it .. for a hl2 mod |
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| 03:30.00 | S4nD3r | hi there |
| 03:30.06 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:30.27 | daeos | !ask |
| 03:30.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:30.35 | S4nD3r | When I try to access my localhost in my webbrowser, it do not answer to 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:30.59 | daeos | S4nD3r: do you have a webserver active? |
| 03:31.13 | S4nD3r | yes |
| 03:31.22 | S4nD3r | ITs in my local machine |
| 03:31.38 | nn-rand-wifi | S4nD4 have done /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 03:31.48 | S4nD3r | sure |
| 03:32.17 | S4nD3r | [Thu Jul 05 00:32:01 2007] [error] [client ::1] Directory index forbidden by Options directive: /Disk1_Dados/Site/ |
| 03:32.22 | S4nD3r | This is my error |
| 03:32.27 | nn-rand-wifi | have you deited enabled-hosts/000-default |
| 03:32.28 | daeos | S4nD3r: can you reach it, remotly? such as http://yourip ?? |
| 03:32.33 | S4nD3r | in error.log |
| 03:32.46 | S4nD3r | I can ping myself |
| 03:33.25 | guisf | S4nD3r: take a look at "/etc/hosts" and see if "/etc/apache/ports.conf" has the line: Listen 80 |
| 03:33.30 | daeos | S4nD3r: can you tell us if you are using apache or some other webserver? |
| 03:33.55 | S4nD3r | Im using apache2 |
| 03:34.04 | S4nD3r | in ports.conf is listen 80 |
| 03:34.20 | S4nD3r | 127.0.0.1 matrix localhost Is in hosts |
| 03:34.46 | shingouz | S4nD3r: i suspect your file permissions are wrong |
| 03:35.16 | guisf | S4nD3r: try to change this line to: "127.0.0.1 localhost" only, restart apache |
| 03:36.15 | wols_ | guisf: erm have you read his error message? |
| 03:36.29 | guisf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:36.54 | guisf | wols_: no i haven't |
| 03:37.01 | S4nD3r | no worked |
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| 03:37.45 | nn-rand-wifi | S4nD3r up load apaches error.conf to http://filebin.info/bin2/filebin.php |
| 03:37.47 | wols_ | guisf: it was a rhetorical question. But maybe you read it now and act accordingliy? |
| 03:37.58 | julian_demarchi | Try a netstat -tap and llok for *:80 |
| 03:38.04 | S4nD3r | ??? |
| 03:38.05 | nn-rand-wifi | so i can look at it |
| 03:38.39 | nn-rand-wifi | S4nD3r up load apaches error.log* to http://filebin.info/bin2/filebin.php |
| 03:39.48 | S4nD3r | julian_demarchi, theres no *:80 |
| 03:39.57 | S4nD3r | nn-firedragon, The file is there |
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| 03:40.09 | guisf | wols_: thanks, I haven't seen the error! |
| 03:40.45 | cafuego | too bad most mini frames only allow one or two hdds :-( |
| 03:41.09 | cafuego | otherwise the new server here would be tiny as well |
| 03:41.37 | cast | i like midtowers like sonatas, which hold at least 4 hd bays |
| 03:42.29 | cafuego | i have space for 12 drives in my desktop box (stupidly large) |
| 03:42.49 | Madd_Matt | I'm considering getting a second old case just to hold more hard drives. |
| 03:42.54 | cafuego | i would've liked a shuttle, but i need at least 4 drives |
| 03:43.05 | wols_ | smacnay: what has case size to do with PSU size? |
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| 03:43.20 | cast | gig eth + NAS? :) |
| 03:43.20 | S4nD3r | nn-rand-wifi, |
| 03:43.29 | S4nD3r | nn-rand-wifi, is there the error.log* |
| 03:43.30 | cafuego | cast: e-sata |
| 03:43.43 | cast | ahh |
| 03:44.07 | julian_demarchi | s4nD3r: /var/log/apache2/ |
| 03:44.07 | smacnay | wols_: nothing. But having little room to expand with internal drives and such removes some of the need for higher wattage psu's. No? |
| 03:44.24 | cafuego | likes the raid array to always be with the server ;-) |
| 03:44.27 | wols_ | smacnay: no. the main power eaters are CPU and video |
| 03:44.58 | cafuego | wols_: what! these 4 PCIe cards use power!??!?!?! |
| 03:45.09 | wols_ | the only time a drive needs some current is on powerup |
| 03:45.13 | S4nD3r | ::1 - - [05/Jul/2007:00:35:42 -0300] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 403 273 "-" "Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) (internal dummy connection)" This is n access.log |
| 03:45.20 | smacnay | wols_: ah, well, my cpu is an older procesor but gpu may be a bit of a pig. |
| 03:45.25 | wols_ | cafuego: I told you not to buy those 8800gtx, but you wouldn't listen |
| 03:45.30 | julian_demarchi | s4nD3r: look for error.log |
| 03:45.34 | cafuego | wols_: :-) |
| 03:45.38 | smacnay | wols_: I am only working with 200W. |
| 03:45.58 | S4nD3r | [Thu Jul 05 00:37:25 2007] [notice] Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 03:45.59 | daeos | same here |
| 03:46.02 | daeos | 200w is perfect |
| 03:46.05 | S4nD3r | [Thu Jul 05 00:37:15 2007] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down |
| 03:46.07 | cast | my celeron 433 had a 100W psu :\ |
| 03:46.15 | S4nD3r | [Thu Jul 05 00:35:42 2007] [error] [client ::1] Directory index forbidden by Options directive: /Disk1_Dados/Site/ |
| 03:46.18 | wols_ | smacnay: a 3.0+ Ghz prescot is old and a poewreater. so are willamettes |
| 03:46.22 | daeos | yuk celeron |
| 03:46.24 | wols_ | or nortwoods beyond 3.2GHz |
| 03:46.34 | smacnay | wols_: I don't mind less power to also get away from cooling needs. |
| 03:46.54 | smacnay | wols_: mine is older and slower than that I believe. |
| 03:47.12 | guisf | S4nD3r: how did you installed apache? |
| 03:47.24 | S4nD3r | It was working until yesterday |
| 03:47.27 | julian_demarchi | s4nD3r: add this line to your fealut file under the direcotry statement |
| 03:47.30 | julian_demarchi | Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews |
| 03:47.38 | S4nD3r | I installed using apt-get |
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| 03:48.23 | daeos | is there a special 'debain-based' utility i should use to help me build cedegacvs ? |
| 03:48.48 | guisf | S4nD3r: I'm asking because the default directory is /var/www ... have you looked for the permissions on the directory: /Disk1_Dados/Site/ ? |
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| 03:50.20 | S4nD3r | yest |
| 03:50.22 | S4nD3r | 755 |
| 03:51.11 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 03:51.16 | S4nD3r | I will reboot my machine |
| 03:51.31 | julian_demarchi | the poblem is with the directroy option in the default config file |
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| 03:52.45 | S4nD3r | the apache2.conf and /etc/apache2/sites-available/default files are in filebin.info/bin2/filebin.php |
| 03:52.53 | `Nick | why does a Debian-based distro sometimes have issues with a Dell Inspiron |
| 03:54.07 | `Nick | and why would a debian based distro have issues when installed on a Dell Inspiron [Intel Celeron processor] |
| 03:54.48 | guisf | S4nD3r: in your default you have: /var/www not /Disk1_Dados/Site/ |
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| 03:57.52 | nn-laptop | Who was having trubble with local host? |
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| 03:58.03 | nn-laptop | and webserving |
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| 03:58.22 | wols_ | `Nick: which "debian based" distro? |
| 03:58.28 | `Nick | DreamLinux |
| 03:58.39 | wols_ | `Nick: we don't support zhat |
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| 03:58.48 | wols_ | ask the dreamlinux folks |
| 03:58.52 | `Nick | which do you support then? |
| 03:59.09 | wols_ | debian. and debian only |
| 03:59.24 | `Nick | is their a normal Debian distro that'll work on a Intel Celeron? |
| 03:59.39 | wols_ | any distro works on a celeron |
| 03:59.52 | `Nick | oh, ok =] |
| 03:59.53 | `Nick | thanks, i didn't know that lol |
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| 04:03.10 | daeos | `Nick: it would be best to get debian as anyone here would give you a direct and helpful answer to your issue *if* you are on debian. Not something that is *based* on debian |
| 04:03.47 | `Nick | daeos: i'm getting debian now, cuz ubuntu is not very supportive about the fact that ubuntu hates my monitor |
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| 04:05.03 | `Nick | which distro of debian should i get? cuz a i have a Intel Pentium 4 and a Intel Celeron |
| 04:05.24 | cast | etch i386 |
| 04:05.27 | `Nick | ok |
| 04:05.29 | cTaT1k | is there a public log for this channel? |
| 04:05.33 | daeos | `Nick: debian etch i386 would be best |
| 04:05.44 | `Nick | daeos: ok |
| 04:05.59 | daeos | `Nick: im running etch on a p3 |
| 04:06.04 | `Nick | ok |
| 04:06.07 | `Nick | what do you mean etch? |
| 04:06.13 | cast | etch aka stable |
| 04:06.20 | `Nick | oh kk |
| 04:06.23 | daeos | its the name of the release |
| 04:06.36 | `Nick | so that would be 4.0 r0? |
| 04:06.37 | dondelelcaro | cTaT1k: not really; though there may be unofficial bots storing it |
| 04:06.39 | daeos | such as sarge used to be stable, etch use to be testing and now etch is stable |
| 04:06.42 | daeos | yes 4.0r0 |
| 04:06.50 | wols_ | `Nick: debian 4.0r0 "etch" i386 |
| 04:06.55 | `Nick | wols_: ok |
| 04:07.20 | `Nick | what's the difference between jigdo, iso, and bt? |
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| 04:07.26 | wols_ | `Nick: get the ISO |
| 04:07.30 | `Nick | ok |
| 04:07.43 | wols_ | and you only need either CD1 or the netinst IOS |
| 04:07.44 | nn-laptop | is there a simple wifi package out there for debian |
| 04:07.48 | S4nD3r | ok |
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| 04:07.50 | S4nD3r | Now worked |
| 04:07.56 | `Nick | wols_: i wont need an internet connection, will i? |
| 04:07.57 | wols_ | `Nick: what desktop environment do you prefer? gnome, kde or xfce? |
| 04:08.02 | `Nick | xfce |
| 04:08.06 | S4nD3r | Just to restart linux, and then...worked fine |
| 04:08.09 | S4nD3r | now |
| 04:08.18 | daeos | hrm... im looking over the cedega install readme and it wants me to have xlib6g-dev installed, i tried to search for it in apt-cache but turned up nothing... is there a replacement package? |
| 04:08.19 | S4nD3r | I will try to setup apache2 to work with php |
| 04:08.21 | `Nick | wols_: xfce |
| 04:08.40 | nn-laptop | S4nD3r fix all thoes other errors |
| 04:08.49 | `Nick | wols_: so debian-40r0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso then? |
| 04:08.56 | wols_ | `Nick: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 04:08.56 | nn-laptop | or you will be wasting log space lol |
| 04:08.59 | wols_ | yes that one |
| 04:09.01 | `Nick | ok |
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| 04:09.40 | wols_ | daeos: libx11-dev probably |
| 04:09.53 | daeos | ok |
| 04:10.03 | wols_ | as for internet connection: it helps to have it with debian |
| 04:10.19 | daeos | internet connection is ... about 99% required |
| 04:10.22 | S4nD3r | nn-laptop, which ?? |
| 04:10.32 | `Nick | well can i do a base install from the cd then update it later? |
| 04:10.37 | daeos | unless you are gonna burn all of the cds |
| 04:10.40 | wols_ | yes you can |
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| 04:10.57 | `Nick | will i have to download more cds to install the base then update it? |
| 04:10.59 | wols_ | daeos: no |
| 04:11.04 | nn-laptop | php error .icon error i forget if there were any more S4nD3r |
| 04:11.05 | geo-rge | `Nick: yes. the base is just enough to install or upgrade. |
| 04:11.07 | tuliox | Apt-get is currently not installed. You can install it by typing apt-get install apt |
| 04:11.11 | kjikaqawej | meh, doesn't like accents |
| 04:11.14 | wols_ | `Nick: there are sevreal ways. this is one of them |
| 04:11.30 | wols_ | tuliox: what debian are you running? |
| 04:11.32 | `Nick | wols_: well i wont have an internet connection on the laptop unless i disconnect from here |
| 04:11.39 | tuliox | unstable |
| 04:12.12 | wols_ | tuliox: apt-get is part of a base debian instally. you must've uninstalled it on your own |
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| 04:12.24 | S4nD3r | ok I saw nn-laptop |
| 04:12.30 | wols_ | `Nick: what WLAN? |
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| 04:12.40 | geo-rge | hmm, when is aptitude going to be in the base? |
| 04:12.43 | S4nD3r | Now, I have a tutorial to setup apache and php |
| 04:12.54 | `Nick | wols_: WLAN and wired LAN, but i dont have another ethernet cable |
| 04:12.54 | S4nD3r | but, its not with apache2 |
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| 04:13.04 | kjikaqawej | 'apt-get', not Apt-get, APT-GET, nor Apt-Get |
| 04:13.04 | daeos | man i love this wine installer |
| 04:13.05 | wols_ | S4nD3r: why do you need a tutorial? you apt-get libapace2-mod-php5 and you're done |
| 04:13.26 | wols_ | *libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 04:13.35 | geo-rge | wols: install :) |
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| 04:14.02 | daeos | it tells me to be in the root dir of the source and run the installer program at a certain path and i get an error telling me im not in the right path... and *I* am |
| 04:14.28 | daeos | wonder if there is a freenode cedega channel |
| 04:14.29 | wols_ | cedega never really liked their CVS version. it costs them revenue |
| 04:14.35 | daeos | ha |
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| 04:14.44 | daeos | well i hate this installer |
| 04:14.51 | daeos | doesn't even work |
| 04:15.08 | S4nD3r | wols_, its installed |
| 04:15.11 | wols_ | `Nick: you don't have an AP either |
| 04:15.13 | S4nD3r | but, not working properly |
| 04:15.18 | `Nick | wols_: ap? |
| 04:15.29 | wols_ | `Nick: WLAN access point |
| 04:15.38 | daeos | access point |
| 04:15.38 | `Nick | wols_: i'm right by the router |
| 04:15.42 | `Nick | within 2 feet of the router |
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| 04:15.53 | S4nD3r | Which file to setup to open php files ? |
| 04:15.55 | `Nick | wireless with 3 unused wired connection |
| 04:16.03 | wols_ | if it has WLAN capability you don't need a ethernet cable... |
| 04:16.13 | geo-rge | `Nick no one there can lend you a cable? |
| 04:16.18 | `Nick | wols_: the laptop does NOT have wireless capabilites - that's the whole issue |
| 04:16.32 | wols_ | S4nD3r: grep -r -i php /etc/apache2/* |
| 04:16.36 | wols_ | S4nD3r: pastebin that |
| 04:16.37 | `Nick | geo-rge: my computer is the only one hooked to the router via ethernet |
| 04:16.37 | geo-rge | anyone there have a wlan card? |
| 04:16.47 | `Nick | geo-rge: not for a lappy |
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| 04:17.04 | wols_ | `Nick: pcmcia card |
| 04:17.09 | S4nD3r | Was found in dir.conf |
| 04:17.15 | `Nick | wols_: ? |
| 04:17.18 | S4nD3r | in php4.load |
| 04:17.19 | kjikaqawej | apache2.conf |
| 04:17.25 | S4nD3r | in php4.conf |
| 04:17.27 | wols_ | S4nD3r: I told you to pastebin it |
| 04:17.31 | S4nD3r | sorry |
| 04:18.06 | S4nD3r | http://pastebin.com/942291 |
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| 04:18.16 | `Nick | ahh evil button! stay in! |
| 04:18.30 | `Nick | ...and it still pops back out |
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| 04:18.56 | daeos | ok guys, im out... i'll be back to pester you all later |
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| 04:19.24 | I_Rebel | is there a channel for sarge specifically |
| 04:19.26 | I_Rebel | ? |
| 04:19.32 | kjikaqawej | no |
| 04:20.07 | geo-rge | do you want to upgrade from sarge? |
| 04:20.13 | `Nick | wols_: pcmcia card? |
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| 04:21.34 | S4nD3r | ITs complicated wols_ |
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| 04:22.01 | I_Rebel | geo-rge: nah...not yet anyway |
| 04:22.05 | guisf | S4nD3r: you just need to do: apt-get install php5 libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 04:22.24 | `Nick | what's a pcmcia card? |
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| 04:22.30 | S4nD3r | both are installed |
| 04:23.41 | guisf | S4nD3r: have you tried to open some file with php code in the browser? |
| 04:24.17 | S4nD3r | yes |
| 04:24.48 | S4nD3r | I tried, but, opens a window to save/open the php file |
| 04:25.31 | nn-laptop | S4nD3r, if you need a filebin script use the one here : http://filebin.info/bin2 |
| 04:26.20 | cast | awesome. attaching a file in hotmail seems to have removed all the new lines in the email. i'm impressed! </ot> |
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| 04:26.30 | Guerin | ... |
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| 04:27.04 | S4nD3r | nn-laptop, |
| 04:27.08 | S4nD3r | I have nn-laptop |
| 04:27.37 | nn-laptop | S4nD3r, yes? |
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| 04:27.54 | mkl1525 | Hi, does anybody know a bugtracking system that has a mail2bug interface (if you send a mail to xxx@xxx.com with some keywords a new bug is opened)? |
| 04:27.54 | guisf | S4nD3r: see if you have this file: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load |
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| 04:28.10 | Guerin | mkl1525: you mean, like the debian BTS? |
| 04:28.15 | wols_ | `Nick: for the WLAN. |
| 04:28.18 | xerophyte | is there any command which allow me to find the current resolution from the shell ? |
| 04:28.29 | S4nD3r | yes I have |
| 04:28.30 | mkl1525 | Guerin, never have used it so don't know it |
| 04:28.31 | `Nick | wols_: i have no way to hook my desktop or laptop to the wlan |
| 04:28.32 | Guerin | xerophyte: svgatextmode |
| 04:28.40 | `Nick | wols_: i have to use an ethernet cable |
| 04:28.41 | xerophyte | Guerin, in the gui ? |
| 04:28.41 | nn-laptop | kk |
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| 04:29.02 | wols_ | `Nick: http://www.ipwireless.com/images/prod_pcmcia_big.jpg |
| 04:29.03 | aztec105 | hmmm any on here atempt to install etch on a dell latitude a300st ? |
| 04:29.13 | bronaugh | hmm; where do the lm_sensors folks hang out? |
| 04:29.14 | Guerin | mkl1525: that's exactly how debian's BTS works - all control is done by email. Much to the furt of bugzilla fanatics. |
| 04:29.18 | wols_ | !tell aztec105 about anyone |
| 04:29.19 | `Nick | wols_: dont have one |
| 04:29.28 | guisf | S4nD3r: and what is inside? |
| 04:29.31 | bronaugh | curious about the ADT7475 chip |
| 04:29.31 | Guerin | xerophyte: xrandr? |
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| 04:29.38 | bronaugh | specifically, about support for the pwm |
| 04:29.45 | S4nD3r | LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so |
| 04:29.53 | wols_ | bronaugh: they have a mL. use that |
| 04:30.04 | bronaugh | wols_: *shrug* I guess I will, then. |
| 04:30.19 | bronaugh | kind of tempted to just hack the lm85 driver. |
| 04:30.34 | mkl1525 | Guerin, thanks for the info will have a look at it |
| 04:30.57 | guisf | S4nD3r: it seems ok to me, i don't know what is hapening ... sorry |
| 04:31.21 | S4nD3r | ok then |
| 04:31.23 | S4nD3r | thans |
| 04:31.25 | S4nD3r | thanks |
| 04:31.29 | S4nD3r | I will format this one |
| 04:31.32 | aztec105 | ok specificly trying to install etch on a ltitude a300st and it lock after detecting hardware. I have tried using switches like lowmem laptop noacpi and still hangs |
| 04:31.42 | `Nick | wols_: actually, idk if this has wireless built into it in some weird way, i'll try running internet on dreamlinux again |
| 04:32.16 | wols_ | `Nick: run "lspci" |
| 04:32.25 | `Nick | well |
| 04:32.26 | aztec105 | personally from what I have seen I like the old installer set up better. this one seems all over the place |
| 04:32.27 | `Nick | first |
| 04:32.30 | `Nick | it needs to start... |
| 04:32.30 | wols_ | `Nick: and paste its output |
| 04:32.50 | wols_ | aztec105: what version of debian? |
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| 04:33.22 | S4nD3r | httpd.conf is empty |
| 04:33.31 | wols_ | S4nD3r: it always is |
| 04:33.46 | `Nick | wols_: i have to wait for the dvd drive to cool so it wont overheat |
| 04:33.49 | S4nD3r | If I uninstall some packages |
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| 04:34.27 | aztec105 | wols_: current release candidate for Etch |
| 04:34.30 | wols_ | S4nD3r: dpkg -l |grep php |
| 04:34.31 | ampex | anyone know why I'm seeing "ext3_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode" messages when I mount an LVM2 snapshot? |
| 04:34.40 | dansushi | hello people, i'm trying to use jpilot to connect my palm pilot to my computer but i get an error saying that "pi_bind error: /dev/pilot No such file or directory" how do i create /dev/pilot? |
| 04:34.41 | wols_ | aztec105: there is no release candidate for etch |
| 04:34.43 | wols_ | etch is stable now |
| 04:35.14 | geo-rge | the caddidate has already wonm |
| 04:35.25 | S4nD3r | http://pastebin.com/942295 here wols_ |
| 04:35.32 | aztec105 | wols_: current release of Etch sorry my bad on verbage |
| 04:35.58 | wols_ | S4nD3r: do not use pastebin.com |
| 04:36.07 | S4nD3r | ?? |
| 04:36.16 | S4nD3r | why not ? |
| 04:36.25 | wols_ | cause it'S slooooowww |
| 04:36.27 | geo-rge | wh |
| 04:36.30 | S4nD3r | oh |
| 04:36.31 | geo-rge | oh ok |
| 04:36.31 | S4nD3r | sorry |
| 04:36.33 | wols_ | and purge your php4 stuff |
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| 04:37.43 | S4nD3r | I removed php4 |
| 04:37.52 | S4nD3r | but It keeps in list |
| 04:38.01 | S4nD3r | of dpkg -l | grep php |
| 04:38.31 | `Nick | wols_: alright i'm waitin for the main screen to load now |
| 04:38.53 | wols_ | S4nD3r: I told you to purge it |
| 04:39.07 | S4nD3r | ??? |
| 04:39.15 | wols_ | !tell S4nD3r about apt |
| 04:39.33 | wols_ | !tell S4nD3r about apt howto |
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| 04:40.37 | guisf | S4nD3r: apt-get remove --purge php4* |
| 04:40.39 | `Nick | wols_: no internet, can have internet on it if i disconnect from this comp though |
| 04:40.41 | dansushi | how do i create a character device for my palm pilot (/etc/pilot)? |
| 04:41.05 | S4nD3r | it willl remove php5 too |
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| 04:41.35 | S4nD3r | ready |
| 04:41.46 | S4nD3r | I tried to do this one when I said remove |
| 04:41.56 | wols_ | `Nick: but you have lspci |
| 04:42.03 | wols_ | and you can see if/what WLAN it has |
| 04:42.04 | `Nick | lspci? |
| 04:42.04 | S4nD3r | rc libapache2-mod-php4 4.4.4-8+etch3 server-side, HTML-embedded scripting languag |
| 04:42.09 | S4nD3r | rc php4-gd 4.4.4-8+etch3 GD module for php4 |
| 04:42.13 | S4nD3r | rc php4-mysql 4.4.4-8+etch3 MySQL module for php4 |
| 04:42.17 | wols_ | S4nD3r: stop! |
| 04:42.20 | S4nD3r | Its here yet |
| 04:42.24 | S4nD3r | o??? |
| 04:42.25 | wols_ | then purge it |
| 04:42.52 | wols_ | dpkg --purge <package> |
| 04:42.55 | S4nD3r | It says that the package is not installed |
| 04:43.05 | geo-rge | S4nD3r: think of the diff btw purge and remove |
| 04:43.35 | wols_ | S4nD3r: use your brain and don't follow guisf advice |
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| 04:44.02 | S4nD3r | ok |
| 04:44.06 | S4nD3r | I got to purge |
| 04:44.33 | hackmiker | how do i list recently installed packages? |
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| 04:44.44 | S4nD3r | dpkg -l |
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| 04:44.46 | S4nD3r | hackmiker, |
| 04:44.48 | wols_ | hackmiker: you can cat /var/log/dpkg.log.* |
| 04:44.59 | hackmiker | okay |
| 04:45.11 | hackmiker | yeah that works |
| 04:45.13 | hackmiker | thanks |
| 04:45.15 | S4nD3r | now, Its to install php5 ? |
| 04:45.20 | S4nD3r | or php4, right? |
| 04:45.36 | wols_ | you already have php5 installed |
| 04:45.38 | aztec105 | wols_: ah to heck wwith it will go with 3.1.4 sarge it does not lock up |
| 04:45.46 | wols_ | but if you want you can purge it all too and reinstall it with apt-get |
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| 04:46.09 | wols_ | aztec105: install sarge and upgrade to etch perhaps? |
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| 04:46.33 | wols_ | and usually it's acpi=off noapic nolapic irqpoll |
| 04:46.36 | wols_ | or something like that |
| 04:46.57 | `Nick | wols_: i did lspci, now i'm trying firefox again |
| 04:46.58 | aztec105 | wols_: yep will do that all thougbh the last couple of times I tried PCMCIA services were lost |
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| 04:49.13 | wols_ | `Nick: what did lspci say? |
| 04:49.21 | `Nick | alot of stuff |
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| 04:49.29 | Syntux | guys, how to change the font size of terminal interface (CTRL ALT F1) ? |
| 04:49.33 | `Nick | it wont let me open ff though |
| 04:49.56 | wols_ | `Nick: the point of running lspci was telling us about it... |
| 04:50.03 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.07 | S4nD3r | I installed again |
| 04:50.08 | S4nD3r | but... |
| 04:50.09 | S4nD3r | nothing |
| 04:50.14 | S4nD3r | I will format it |
| 04:50.23 | S4nD3r | thanks everybody |
| 04:50.57 | `Nick | is debian the one that lets you use IRC and such while installing it? |
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| 04:52.30 | `Nick | installin Debian now, be back in a bit |
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| 04:55.15 | _RedShift_ | ... w... t... f? |
| 04:55.21 | smacnay | netsplit? |
| 04:58.20 | geo-rge | `Nick: you can after you install the base and establish networking... because then you can apt-get install some-random-irc-client |
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| 04:59.08 | S4nD3r | wols_, |
| 04:59.13 | S4nD3r | wols_, I have another problem |
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| 04:59.25 | streuner | !netsplit |
| 04:59.25 | dpkg | netsplit is, like, A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
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| 04:59.40 | S4nD3r | The php was not running why I need to restart my system |
| 04:59.46 | S4nD3r | its not normal in linux |
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| 05:00.11 | geo-rge | you probably had to restart apache, but not your whole system |
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| 05:01.10 | S4nD3r | how to put off some services to run when started my ph ? |
| 05:01.13 | S4nD3r | pc? |
| 05:01.16 | S4nD3r | init ? |
| 05:01.28 | S4nD3r | I know that they are in /etc/init.d |
| 05:01.34 | streuner | remove the package or use update-rc.d |
| 05:01.47 | geo-rge | you just install the package of it, and it starts becasue the packaging starts it immediately |
| 05:02.18 | streuner | thats permanantly |
| 05:02.25 | geo-rge | I must have misparsed your question,,, you want to -start- a service? |
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| 05:05.26 | Guerin | S4nD3r: try to speak english |
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| 05:05.44 | S4nD3r | Guerin, thanks |
| 05:05.58 | S4nD3r | I want to stop a service |
| 05:06.10 | S4nD3r | To never starts again |
| 05:06.11 | Guerin | man invoke-rc.d |
| 05:06.20 | Guerin | S4nD3r: remove the package which starts it |
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| 05:10.23 | WaxyFresh | hi i just installed debian for the first time,im used to ubuntu,when i try to install a package using apt it says im not in the sudoers file,whats up?sudo -su dosent work what did i do wrong? |
| 05:10.44 | geo-rge | be root |
| 05:10.51 | Guerin | WaxyFresh: debian doesn't use sudo by default. become root by running `su' |
| 05:10.57 | geo-rge | you cannot install if you're not root |
| 05:11.05 | S4nD3r | thanks anyway |
| 05:11.08 | S4nD3r | thanks so much |
| 05:11.15 | Guerin | sudo, as deployed by ubuntu, is fundamentally broken and stupid for all byt a very small minority of uses |
| 05:11.18 | S4nD3r | Im going to sleep right now |
| 05:11.24 | Guerin | S4nD3r: we care. |
| 05:11.39 | S4nD3r | all of you are so helpful |
| 05:12.11 | geo-rge | the biggest help that can be offered is when we insist you think through your own problems |
| 05:12.26 | Guerin | or just that you think |
| 05:12.44 | WaxyFresh | geo-rge: that can be scary and helpfull at the same time! |
| 05:12.59 | Guerin | fear is good ;) |
| 05:13.16 | geo-rge | WaxyFresh: sure; most of the time it's very new and unfamiliar |
| 05:13.35 | Guerin | geo-rge: by definition, it can't be unfamiliar *most* of the time |
| 05:13.47 | Guerin | and something can only be new *once* |
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| 05:14.04 | geo-rge | each next thing you work on is new tho |
| 05:14.17 | Guerin | but principles carry from one to the next |
| 05:14.27 | PrinceAMD | hey guys what command can i type in terminal to show me all my hard drives and the partitions? |
| 05:14.36 | Guerin | PrinceAMD: fdisk -l |
| 05:14.37 | vin` | unless you have a serious case of amnesia |
| 05:14.50 | geo-rge | that part is new as well. not everyone will get that immediately |
| 05:14.58 | Guerin | vin`: in which case running debian is probably not high on your list of Things To Do |
| 05:15.07 | PrinceAMD | Guerin, thanks |
| 05:15.11 | WaxyFresh | geo-rge: i just remember trying to help in #gentoo... "read the faq" is all they tell you |
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| 05:15.37 | Guerin | in fairness |
| 05:15.45 | Guerin | gentoo's faq is pretty comprehensive |
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| 05:15.58 | doolin | where does debian hide rc.modules? |
| 05:16.12 | Guerin | i mean, it has to be when the whole distro hinges on one's ability to cutnpaste commands from a wiki |
| 05:16.31 | Guerin | doolin: what is a rc.module in some terminology that you didn't make up right this moment |
| 05:16.34 | Guerin | ? |
| 05:16.42 | WaxyFresh | yes it is but when your a nooB its not very helpfull,well then again gentoo isnt a noob system |
| 05:16.52 | geo-rge | oh, I see... gentoo was pretty much a reaction to debian's stance on not building everything as optimized as it could be... so it's a reaction to something debian does... and once they try to support people, they start to see how difficult it is... |
| 05:16.59 | Guerin | i ran gentoo as a non-noob, and it wasn't a non-noob system either |
| 05:17.15 | doolin | Guerin: rc.modules is a slack thing then i guess |
| 05:17.25 | Guerin | doolin: i guess so. WHat does it do? |
| 05:17.44 | vin` | i started with gentoo as a n00b, gentoo's penguin looked intriguing |
| 05:17.46 | WaxyFresh | um i just installled 64bit debian and i have no sound any ideas? |
| 05:17.53 | doolin | where modules are loaded and removed durning boot |
| 05:17.56 | Guerin | WaxyFresh: /msg dpkg sound |
| 05:18.25 | Guerin | doolin: adding `foo' to /etc/modules will load foo at boot |
| 05:18.48 | Guerin | there are few reasons to remove a module, and I don't know how to do it ottomh |
| 05:19.03 | Guerin | other than modprobe -r, natch |
| 05:19.16 | doolin | Guerin: i need to pass some augments also, namely modprove -r xxxx |
| 05:19.34 | WaxyFresh | Guerin: that does nothing besides bring up the dpkg help screen |
| 05:19.43 | Guerin | doolin: best to use modconf, then - there's possibly another way but I don't know how to do it |
| 05:19.49 | Guerin | WaxyFresh: in the irc channel |
| 05:20.10 | vin` | doolin: /etc/modules can take arguments as well, man modules |
| 05:20.17 | Guerin | oh, it can? |
| 05:20.19 | Guerin | nifty |
| 05:21.01 | doolin | vin`: good, im installed some funky wifi drivers and i have to remove the mod to load the correct one, and i am far to lazy to track down the real problem |
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| 05:21.18 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:21.21 | vin` | doolin: what wifi chip? |
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| 05:21.57 | doolin | vin`: atherous(sp) |
| 05:22.24 | linsux | all wifi are atheros |
| 05:22.26 | Guerin | that narrows it down to about 11 |
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| 05:22.33 | Guerin | linsux: a common delusion. |
| 05:22.44 | doolin | vin`: don't bother trying to help me.. nothing works except the some hacking and some driver wrappering |
| 05:22.46 | linsux | hi Guerin |
| 05:22.54 | vin` | doolin: ok |
| 05:22.54 | Guerin | linsux: did you get your box fix0red? |
| 05:22.54 | linsux | thanks for helping me yesterday |
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| 05:23.06 | linsux | Guerin, no, i'm configuring exim server now |
| 05:23.42 | doolin | vin`: thanks tho :) i dont mean to sound ungreateful |
| 05:23.48 | Guerin | linsux: a reinstall to straighten out debconf might be the way forward. If you back up /etc and all your data it shoudl be easy enough. |
| 05:24.11 | linsux | Guerin, no can't afford that |
| 05:24.22 | Guerin | why? it's an hour's work. |
| 05:24.28 | Guerin | maybe two |
| 05:24.35 | linsux | what if something don't work? then im screwed |
| 05:24.41 | geo-rge | linsux: backing up is very important |
| 05:24.48 | Guerin | linsux: that's why you back up all the config |
| 05:24.50 | doolin | so /etc/modules will run modprobe -r? |
| 05:25.02 | linsux | i don't want to take responsibility, i just want to make it to work. that's it |
| 05:25.10 | linsux | no fancy shit |
| 05:25.12 | Guerin | doolin: i don't believe so. You can blacklist it to prevent it loading at all. |
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| 05:25.26 | doolin | that'll work |
| 05:25.28 | Guerin | linsux: then I guess you live without ssh. you could install lsh or something else. |
| 05:25.36 | Guerin | doolin: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 05:25.37 | geo-rge | "i don't want to take responsibility, but I -do- want to take credit" |
| 05:25.46 | Guerin | geo-rge: it's the Asian Way |
| 05:25.52 | linsux | besides i've no kvm to that box, i can't reinstall it |
| 05:25.57 | Guerin | wtf |
| 05:25.57 | linsux | i only have ssh access to it |
| 05:26.15 | linsux | the box at opposite of the earth |
| 05:26.17 | Guerin | since when did a kvm become necesary? And isn't the whole point that you can't install ssh? |
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| 05:26.39 | linsux | i've been using ssh |
| 05:26.50 | Guerin | you'd better install lsh pronto then, because if it goes down without sshd installed, you're properly fucked. |
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| 05:27.00 | Guerin | lsh is good; works just like ssh |
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| 05:29.14 | MangosDebian | ....friggin....damn stupid, bah! |
| 05:29.19 | MangosDebian | howdy |
| 05:29.29 | Guerin | !greet MangosDebian |
| 05:29.29 | dpkg | Wassup, MangosDebian |
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| 05:31.00 | MangosDebian | \amethyst: <ding>methyst! |
| 05:31.13 | \amethyst | MangosDebian: :) |
| 05:31.26 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 05:31.39 | PrinceAMD | ok i know i can grep "like |
| 05:31.50 | PrinceAMD | how do i get it to ignore a special line |
| 05:31.57 | Guerin | PrinceAMD: man grep |
| 05:31.58 | MangosDebian | thats this now prince? |
| 05:32.02 | MangosDebian | whats* |
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| 05:32.25 | eald | hi, after etch release I think I read about a guide to change from any charset to UTF (including changing name to files and so), but I can't find it right now, does anyone have a clue about where to find it? |
| 05:32.33 | dasunt | I need a tool in etch to back up many gigs to DVDs. |
| 05:32.39 | dasunt | A directory, not an entire partition. |
| 05:32.41 | PrinceAMD | MangosDebian, fdisk -l | grep "Linux" works good but i dont want it to show swap |
| 05:32.42 | dasunt | Suggestion? |
| 05:32.48 | Guerin | eald: dpkg-reconfigure locales is a good start |
| 05:33.02 | MangosDebian | PrinceAMD: then | grep -v "swap" |
| 05:33.06 | Guerin | dasunt: mondo is supposed to be good for disks |
| 05:33.23 | eald | Guerin, no doubt, I'm just trying to find the doc before doing all steps |
| 05:33.38 | PrinceAMD | MangosDebian, awesome THANKS!!! |
| 05:33.41 | Guerin | not many steps beyond that one |
| 05:33.42 | MangosDebian | PrinceAMD: i mean, there is a limit to how much pipe work you can do, but i dont think bash will mind a few extra harmless redirects |
| 05:34.02 | PrinceAMD | ok |
| 05:34.04 | Guerin | most programs support utf-8; the only common ones which don't are those which use gtk+ and xterm |
| 05:34.20 | geo-rge | PrinceAMD: the important thing is to understand how it works enough so you can do this yourself |
| 05:35.02 | PrinceAMD | geo-rge, i think i do grep "name" shows it grep -v "name" dont show it :) |
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| 05:35.07 | eald | mmm, nautilus actually write its files in utf even now that I'm in iso8859-1, I hate him for that, but my point is that I can see at least a partial utf-8 support there |
| 05:35.17 | \amethyst | Guerin: most gtk+ programs support unicode, as does xterm with the right options |
| 05:35.24 | PrinceAMD | MangosDebian geo-rge, i am trying to make a automounter script |
| 05:35.52 | Guerin | \amethyst: uxterm does, and gtk+ only does with a bunch of extra hacks which are flakey at best |
| 05:36.02 | Zap-W | # apt-cache search xmotd xmotd - a message of the day browser for X # apt-get build-dep xmotd ,Building dependency tree... Done E: Unable to find a source package for xmotd , w00t ?? |
| 05:36.08 | geo-rge | PrinceAMD: so if you want to see all the lines that say Linux except the lines that say swap... what did you do then? |
| 05:36.25 | Zap-W | ahh |
| 05:36.26 | Zap-W | ok |
| 05:36.28 | MangosDebian | PrinceAMD: your probably reinventing half a dosen wheels and cog's, but hey, whatever floats your boat :) |
| 05:36.28 | Zap-W | never mind |
| 05:36.28 | PrinceAMD | geo-rge, fdisk -l |grep "Linux" |grep -v swap |
| 05:36.48 | eald | well, thanks guys |
| 05:36.51 | geo-rge | yep. so you take the first filtered result and filter it again |
| 05:36.56 | PrinceAMD | MangosDebian, if u know an easier way, just say it man |
| 05:37.06 | \amethyst | Guerin: these days uxterm is a shell script that runs xterm |
| 05:37.07 | PrinceAMD | geo-rge, yes |
| 05:37.16 | MangosDebian | PrinceAMD: well, easier is a relative term ;) |
| 05:37.18 | PrinceAMD | i am a filter -er |
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| 05:37.32 | MangosDebian | PrinceAMD: but there are many ways to mount stuff. udev is popular |
| 05:37.35 | PrinceAMD | MangosDebian, are u trying to be funny? |
| 05:37.36 | Guerin | \amethyst: ah, nifty |
| 05:37.37 | geo-rge | here's a filter: /usr/games/chef |
| 05:37.55 | \amethyst | Guerin: I guess you mean gtk+ 1.x ? |
| 05:37.58 | MangosDebian | PrinceAMD: well i thought so, guess not then ;) |
| 05:38.00 | Guerin | MangosDebian: are you 'avin' a laff'? |
| 05:38.01 | PrinceAMD | MangosDebian, hm. i dont think i got udev up n runnin i think it's in the cold |
| 05:38.28 | Guerin | \amethyst: yes, is the 2.0 not just called GTK? |
| 05:38.35 | MangosDebian | PrinceAMD: well, udev does come standard with debian |
| 05:38.38 | PrinceAMD | MangosDebian, thanks again any other sugesstions? |
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| 05:38.49 | PrinceAMD | MangosDebian, but how do i get it up? |
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| 05:39.02 | \amethyst | Guerin: gtk.org still calls it GTK+ |
| 05:39.04 | Guerin | PrinceAMD: i recommend libgirlfriend |
| 05:39.05 | eald | GTK is the gui control part of the GTK+ thing |
| 05:39.21 | Guerin | \amethyst: ah, there I go, being wrong again. |
| 05:39.22 | PrinceAMD | Guerin, got one already |
| 05:39.31 | Guerin | PrinceAMD: and you still have tro0uble getting it up? |
| 05:39.34 | PrinceAMD | Guerin, trying to be more beeking now |
| 05:39.36 | waltercool | exist a mixer for oss? |
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| 05:39.39 | PrinceAMD | Guerin, trying to be more geeking now |
| 05:39.44 | Guerin | waltercool: aumix |
| 05:39.53 | MangosDebian | PrinceAMD: well, its probably already "up". You just need to configure stuff. Depends what you want to automount. Tryying a fs thats on the hd? or something like a cdrom or usb? fstab is usually easiest |
| 05:40.01 | waltercool | Guerin: Seeking... |
| 05:40.06 | Guerin | PrinceAMD: why would you bother? It's not something you attain by trying. |
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| 05:40.14 | waltercool | exit |
| 05:40.22 | waltercool | sorry xD |
| 05:40.30 | Guerin | so su next |
| 05:40.35 | Guerin | much more fun |
| 05:40.48 | PrinceAMD | Guerin, better try that, just be, noob |
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| 05:41.00 | Guerin | PrinceAMD: it's almost poetry |
| 05:41.08 | Guerin | and you know it, G |
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| 05:41.42 | eald | utf8-migration-tool that's what I have read about |
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| 05:41.46 | barnydan | anyone in here farmiliar with and/or used Dirac video codec? |
| 05:42.04 | DaveLib | hello i run testing also gmail there does anyone know the status of package gmail-notify? the faq in gmail help says don't use gmail with 3rd party software interacting with it but googles notifier isnt for linux so is it ok to use gmail-notifier? |
| 05:42.39 | Guerin | barnydan: the BBC are pretty good with it |
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| 05:43.03 | geo-rge | yeah I'm beekin... I'm beeking for the geeking... I'm seeking the beek so that I can be the geek... |
| 05:43.05 | Guerin | dpkg, codecs is also for a run-down of various free(ish) codecs and container formats, see http://www.avidemux.org/admForum/viewtopic.php?pid=19555 |
| 05:43.05 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 05:43.32 | Guerin | dpkg: ask google |
| 05:43.36 | Guerin | bollocks |
| 05:43.37 | waltercool | Guerin: Thanks+ |
| 05:43.40 | Guerin | DaveLib: ask google |
| 05:43.57 | DaveLib | i asked on #google and no one is saying anything |
| 05:43.57 | \amethyst | DaveLib: Where is the note in the help you are talking about? |
| 05:44.06 | Guerin | DaveLib: all software in debian is provided with no warranty whatdsoever and what you do with it is your own stupid fault |
| 05:44.08 | barnydan | Guerin dpkg codecs in here? |
| 05:44.11 | barnydan | dpkg codecs |
| 05:44.12 | dpkg | somebody said codecs was See w32codecs, or for a run-down of various free(ish) codecs and container formats, see http://www.avidemux.org/admForum/viewtopic.php?pid=19555 |
| 05:44.12 | \amethyst | DaveLib: aha, found it |
| 05:44.19 | DaveLib | let me check amethyst ah ok |
| 05:44.22 | Guerin | barnydan: that was a tangent |
| 05:44.25 | DaveLib | ya a faq section |
| 05:44.50 | DaveLib | i thought people here might know something about issues for that package |
| 05:45.09 | Guerin | DaveLib: if so, it will be in the package documentation |
| 05:45.11 | DaveLib | there is also a kde gmail notifier in debian packages |
| 05:45.42 | \amethyst | DaveLib: I haven't used the package (I don't use gmail). Basically, if it breaks something, Google will tell you "tough luck" |
| 05:45.43 | DaveLib | ahh ok guerin so maybe install it and then look over the docs |
| 05:45.54 | Guerin | yes |
| 05:46.02 | \amethyst | DaveLib: and if they wanted to be dicks about it, they could remove your account for using it, but they're not usually dicks like that |
| 05:46.08 | Guerin | if you're concerned ab0out breaking google's TOS, you should ask them |
| 05:46.09 | DaveLib | but they said it violates terrms of service and could result in losing your account |
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| 05:46.15 | Guerin | DaveLib: so don't use it. |
| 05:47.50 | \amethyst | DaveLib: TOS provision 5.3 is the relevant one |
| 05:48.44 | barnydan | I want to Video record my LUG meetings and post them in a free codec. |
| 05:48.54 | DaveLib | thanks amethyst |
| 05:49.05 | linsux | how do i enable an ftp server in debian |
| 05:49.13 | linsux | isn't there one in inetd.conf? |
| 05:49.28 | MangosDebian | linsux: you expect help with a name like that? :) |
| 05:49.34 | \amethyst | DaveLib: you might want to read the gmail-notify faq: http://gmail-notify.sourceforge.net/faq.php |
| 05:49.34 | geo-rge | linsux: install the package of it |
| 05:49.42 | linsux | the ftp package? |
| 05:50.00 | shingouz | linsux: any ftpd |
| 05:50.04 | geo-rge | linsux ftp server packages (one of them) |
| 05:50.07 | DaveLib | thanks amethyst will call that up now |
| 05:50.17 | linsux | i want the one that works in inetd.conf |
| 05:50.46 | barnydan | Guerin do you know if there are binaries of these somwhere? http://sourceforge.net/projects/schrodinger |
| 05:50.47 | geo-rge | linsux: have you ever considered looking at the list of packages in debian? :) |
| 05:51.08 | geo-rge | take a look at packages.debian.org |
| 05:51.11 | MangosDebian | barnydan: hey! a local :) |
| 05:51.14 | DaveLib | ok that url you sent amy |
| 05:51.36 | barnydan | MangosDebian how do you know? |
| 05:51.39 | linsux | how do i restart inetd? |
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| 05:51.54 | DaveLib | amethyst has a question is it ok to use this which sort of a\saysd its ok |
| 05:51.57 | geo-rge | man inetd |
| 05:52.03 | DaveLib | i guess thats good enought for me |
| 05:52.08 | eald | like any other service in systemV |
| 05:52.21 | \amethyst | DaveLib: Basically, it's technically a violation of your TOS, but no one has gotten kicked off for it yet |
| 05:52.26 | linsux | i rather bsd way, but oh well |
| 05:52.28 | DaveLib | ok |
| 05:52.30 | Guerin | barnydan: /msg dpkg search |
| 05:52.32 | linsux | it's not in /etc/init.d |
| 05:52.34 | barnydan | MangosDebian I'm from Peterborough area. |
| 05:52.38 | Guerin | barnydan: you want to encode, or decode? |
| 05:52.41 | DaveLib | i suppose i would get a warning first and could take it off then |
| 05:52.49 | \amethyst | linsux: /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd maybe? |
| 05:53.01 | MangosDebian | barnydan: ummm, nexicom? been around hastings |
| 05:53.04 | barnydan | Guerin encode |
| 05:53.12 | DaveLib | actually i reread the google notioce too they dont say about kicking you off say dont support |
| 05:53.14 | Guerin | barnydan: see if mencoder supports it |
| 05:53.16 | \amethyst | linsux: or inetutils-inetd, depending on which inetd you have |
| 05:53.28 | \amethyst | DaveLib: Read the Google.com TOS section 5.3 |
| 05:53.48 | \amethyst | DaveLib: http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS |
| 05:54.04 | \amethyst | DaveLib: "You agree not to access (or attempt to access) any of the Services by any means other than through the interface that is provided by Google. . . ." |
| 05:54.13 | DaveLib | yeah i did amethyst that sounds bad |
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| 05:54.32 | barnydan | MangosDebian, yeah I've been to hastings. I've been all over southern Ontario. |
| 05:54.36 | omfgtard | I don't suppose anyone in here has a demonoid dot com invite code? |
| 05:54.38 | DaveLib | but this package is just doing for linuc the same thing googles notifier does |
| 05:54.52 | MangosDebian | barnydan: hows the weather down there anyways these days? |
| 05:54.59 | eald | DaveLib, 2 things: you could have your browser with a tab on gmail always or pop3 to another account where you can put a monitor |
| 05:55.28 | barnydan | MangosDebian, Its been way to hot and dry for this time of year. We finaly got some rain today, but not enough. |
| 05:55.39 | \amethyst | DaveLib: If google did punish people for using it, there would be a huge outcry, and they'd lose a lot of business. So keep that in mind :) |
| 05:55.53 | DaveLib | eald: yeah thats what i do tab on gmail always and i keep flipping back to the vt to see if anything came in |
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| 05:56.03 | MangosDebian | barnydan: coool. well, sell hello to the folk for me would ya ;þ |
| 05:56.18 | barnydan | ok lol ;) |
| 05:56.43 | DaveLib | i gues i shoud jsut go ahaead |
| 05:56.56 | DaveLib | the fact too thats its an official debian package |
| 05:57.05 | barnydan | Guerin, I don't think Mencoder supports it yet. |
| 05:57.59 | Guerin | mm. |
| 05:58.18 | Guerin | barnydan: UTSL ;) |
| 05:58.39 | Guerin | barnydan: see if anything else on debian-multimedia or rarewares does it |
| 05:58.51 | PrinceAMD | if i am on livecd on which tab should udev be enable on in sysv-rc-conf? |
| 05:59.02 | barnydan | wahts UTSL? |
| 05:59.08 | Guerin | !utsl |
| 05:59.08 | dpkg | [utsl] Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
| 05:59.28 | Guerin | PrinceAMD: debian has no livecd. |
| 05:59.41 | PrinceAMD | Guerin, debian live project |
| 05:59.53 | Guerin | PrinceAMD: unofficial, and unsupported here. |
| 05:59.59 | PrinceAMD | grr :) |
| 06:00.02 | Guerin | (and most of us haven't used it) |
| 06:00.15 | PrinceAMD | so debian live is not family member of debian? |
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| 06:01.13 | PrinceAMD | Guerin, ok as normal user? |
| 06:01.13 | Guerin | debian.org = official; debian.net = not |
| 06:01.25 | PrinceAMD | if i am not using fstab |
| 06:01.28 | \amethyst | Guerin: err, debian-live is an alioth project |
| 06:01.30 | Guerin | PrinceAMD: i have no idea what you mean by `tab' in this context |
| 06:01.45 | \amethyst | Guerin: so it has a debian.org address at this point |
| 06:01.51 | PrinceAMD | Guerin, tab = init levels 0 1 2 4 5 6 S |
| 06:01.51 | Guerin | \amethyst: isn't it live.debian.net? |
| 06:02.00 | Guerin | PrinceAMD: don't fuck with inittab |
| 06:02.14 | Guerin | man, wrong again |
| 06:02.16 | PrinceAMD | Guerin, well it's too late |
| 06:02.31 | Guerin | and alioth is for experimental stuff, not official stuff |
| 06:02.39 | PrinceAMD | Guerin, if i dont "fuck with it" how can i know what will happen or how it feels lol |
| 06:02.41 | \amethyst | Guerin: Man, you're just behind the times today :) |
| 06:02.50 | Guerin | PrinceAMD: perhaps you won't. |
| 06:03.15 | Guerin | \amethyst: maybe i need to dist-upgrade my brain |
| 06:03.27 | waltercool | i have benefits installing 64bits Debian? |
| 06:03.35 | Guerin | DJ3RAS3R: don't message me. Ask your question in the channel./ |
| 06:03.45 | Guerin | waltercool: you tell us. |
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| 06:03.55 | DaveLib | under gmail help i found a google group for help discussio i guess i will ask there |
| 06:03.58 | \amethyst | waltercool: Do you need Flash and Java? |
| 06:04.08 | waltercool | \amethyst: java, yes |
| 06:04.18 | \amethyst | DaveLib: Some people say it's better to ask forgiveness than permission :) |
| 06:04.45 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:04.48 | Nopalin | i just installe a kernel from kernel.org, but when reboot into this new kernel (2.6.21.5) i get this error : /sys/block/sda/dev no such file or directory.. am i missing something? |
| 06:04.55 | waltercool | is because i have 64bits installed, but i cant use some programs... |
| 06:05.00 | Guerin | Nopalin: use a debian kernel |
| 06:05.03 | \amethyst | waltercool: java you should be fine with, actually. It's flash, and some other proprietary software, that doesn't have 64-bit versions |
| 06:05.26 | Nopalin | Guerin: i'd like to get the kernel working from this way |
| 06:05.35 | barnydan | Guerin, I didn't see anything. So I've tried to compile that Schrodinger package. when I run ./configure I get this error "checking for LIBOIL... configure: error: liboil-0.3 >= 0.3.12 is required" IF I upgrade Liboil-0.3.10 to liboil-0.3.12 will it break things? I'm also not sure how to upgrade that file either. |
| 06:05.37 | waltercool | \amethyst: But 64bit is better than 32bit in something? |
| 06:05.44 | \amethyst | waltercool: If you use 64-bit debian, you can set up a 32-bit debian in a chroot and run software there |
| 06:06.07 | Guerin | DJ3RAS3R: because you're logged in as root. Log in as a normal user. |
| 06:06.08 | \amethyst | waltercool: A single program can have more than 4GB of address space; the whole computer can have more than 16TB |
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| 06:06.27 | eald | waltercool, in large memory setups and in big data types like double (in C) |
| 06:06.30 | Guerin | barnydan: what branch of debian are you running? |
| 06:06.39 | waltercool | \amethyst: If i have 1GB of ram? xD |
| 06:06.40 | \amethyst | waltercool: And the intel/amd 64-bit processors are supposed to be faster in 64-bit mode than in 32-bit |
| 06:06.50 | barnydan | Guerin etch |
| 06:06.56 | wols_ | waltercool: mo. only above 1GB |
| 06:07.03 | Guerin | Nopalin: then learn how to build it properly. Custom kernels aren't supported in here. Ask #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net, and/or /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 06:07.06 | waltercool | mmm |
| 06:07.25 | Guerin | barnydan: if that version isn't in etch you may need to backport the lib from lenny, and that way lies pain. |
| 06:07.29 | \amethyst | Even with 1GB to about 16TB you can still use a 32-bit kernel, with bigmem |
| 06:07.32 | Nopalin | Guerin: ok thanks anyway |
| 06:07.36 | waltercool | for change of 64bit to 32bit... i need install all again? |
| 06:07.41 | Guerin | waltercool: yes. |
| 06:07.44 | eald | no |
| 06:07.45 | waltercool | crap... |
| 06:07.48 | waltercool | no? |
| 06:07.52 | eald | choroot |
| 06:07.55 | eald | chroot |
| 06:07.58 | Guerin | more work than reinstall |
| 06:08.02 | \amethyst | Actually, I guess bigmem limit is about 64GB not 16TB |
| 06:08.03 | wols_ | eald: that is a reinstall |
| 06:08.04 | barnydan | Guerin would it be wise to upgrade? |
| 06:08.05 | eald | oh yes :D |
| 06:08.07 | Guerin | and more confusing for someone who's new |
| 06:08.07 | waltercool | but how chroot? |
| 06:08.29 | wols_ | waltercool: he didn't know what he was talking about |
| 06:08.40 | Guerin | barnydan: that's a decision only you can make. If you're pretty confident, sure. |
| 06:08.40 | cafuego | \amethyst: On your flimsy 32bit hardware maybe... ;-) |
| 06:08.43 | waltercool | lol |
| 06:08.43 | barnydan | guerin I still have loads to learn about Debian. |
| 06:08.43 | eald | I'm know what I'm saying |
| 06:08.51 | Guerin | barnydan: so do I ;) |
| 06:08.53 | eald | you just copy files |
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| 06:09.06 | wols_ | eald: you don't have a clue. now go and convert to utf8 again |
| 06:09.07 | eald | but installing is easier than that |
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| 06:09.13 | barnydan | Guerin, so far everything runs exelent. |
| 06:09.18 | \amethyst | cafuego: Can 32-bit kernels do more than 64GB on 64-bit machines? |
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| 06:09.22 | eald | :) |
| 06:09.28 | cafuego | \amethyst: I doubt it |
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| 06:09.43 | waltercool | eald: But what i need chroot? xD |
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| 06:09.48 | wols_ | \amethyst: highest they can go is 36bit via PAE |
| 06:09.52 | cafuego | \amethyst: That would be interesign with a 32bit userspace on a 64bit ekrnel on 64bit hardware <heh> |
| 06:10.02 | barnydan | Guerin, I'll probably upgrade. Save some hassle for now. I can always go back. :D |
| 06:10.09 | eald | waltercool, really. reinstalling is easier |
| 06:10.13 | \amethyst | yeah, that would support lots of memory, still only 4GB per process |
| 06:10.24 | waltercool | crap... xD lol |
| 06:10.27 | DJ3RAS3R | i updated my debian and pam fucked i cant use su and passwd now how to fix it ? |
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| 06:10.51 | waltercool | how can i resize my principal partition? |
| 06:11.16 | wols_ | waltercool: reboot from a live cd, use gparted |
| 06:11.33 | waltercool | debian have a live cd? |
| 06:11.34 | wols_ | DJ3RAS3R: more input -> more answers |
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| 06:11.42 | wols_ | waltercool: not officially |
| 06:11.42 | redax | hi |
| 06:11.45 | DJ3RAS3R | passwd: Permission denied |
| 06:11.51 | DJ3RAS3R | su: Permission denied |
| 06:11.51 | DJ3RAS3R | (Ignored) |
| 06:12.01 | waltercool | mmm... i going to try with a ubuntu... |
| 06:12.21 | redax | what do I run in the chroot'ed area of a debootstrap stuff to finish the install? |
| 06:12.25 | waltercool | thanks :) |
| 06:12.27 | redax | ie. configure the system ? |
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| 06:13.48 | DJ3RAS3R | PAM no modules loaded for `su' service |
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| 06:14.26 | Guerin | redax: read the debootstrap instructions. You might mean d-r base-config? |
| 06:14.43 | Guerin | DJ3RAS3R: your system is horribly broken. Reinstall. |
| 06:14.54 | Guerin | (either that or it's not debian) |
| 06:15.20 | DJ3RAS3R | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l |
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| 06:15.25 | DJ3RAS3R | from 1 update ? |
| 06:15.31 | \amethyst | DJ3RAS3R: does the file /etc/pam.d/su exist? |
| 06:15.43 | Guerin | and if not, why not? |
| 06:15.44 | DJ3RAS3R | yes |
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| 06:15.57 | DJ3RAS3R | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2305 2006-12-07 20:02 /etc/pam.d/su |
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| 06:16.35 | t1n0m3n | looking for some wireless help getting my 3945 intel card to see an 802.11a AP |
| 06:16.35 | cast | identical to mine |
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| 06:17.06 | cast | DJ3RAS3R: what does cksum /etc/pam.d/su report, just to be sure? |
| 06:17.23 | \amethyst | DJ3RAS3R: when you updated, did it give you any error messages? |
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| 06:17.33 | DJ3RAS3R | no errors |
| 06:17.33 | DJ3RAS3R | b40e581d3eb12ffbd0a260710934093f /etc/pam.d/su |
| 06:18.13 | DJ3RAS3R | i removed openssh pam support so i can login in system all is fucked now :( |
| 06:18.26 | Guerin | ... |
| 06:18.32 | \amethyst | Removed openssh pam support? |
| 06:18.34 | t1n0m3n | I tried "iwpriv eth1 set_mode 1" and then "iwconfig eth1 channel 44" but I still cant see the AP. I put an XP harddrive in my laptop, and it sees both networks |
| 06:18.34 | \amethyst | how? |
| 06:18.39 | cast | if pam is raped i suggest a system reinstall, since it is kinda important security wise |
| 06:18.44 | DJ3RAS3R | from sshd_config |
| 06:18.48 | Guerin | DJ3RAS3R: reinstall, and don't fuck with it next time. |
| 06:19.03 | Guerin | pam is not something you can afford to fuck with |
| 06:19.07 | tralala | DJ3RAS3R, if you disable pam support from ssh you need to do key auth |
| 06:19.10 | DJ3RAS3R | apt-get update fucked it :) |
| 06:19.13 | \amethyst | DJ3RAS3R: hm... that itself shouldn't have affected anything else pamwise... did you uninstall anything? |
| 06:19.26 | cafuego | Guerin: It's fine, unless you can't boot init=bin/bash |
| 06:19.31 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:19.33 | DJ3RAS3R | i use password auth now for sshd |
| 06:19.34 | Guerin | well |
| 06:19.37 | cast | DJ3RAS3R: use aptitude instead of apt-get, btw :> |
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| 06:19.52 | Guerin | ther'es a hard way to do anything |
| 06:20.01 | tralala | DJ3RAS3R, why did you disable the pam auth then?! |
| 06:20.27 | DJ3RAS3R | becouse pam is fucked i cant login to any service that use pam now |
| 06:21.07 | tralala | and this happend on upgrade? |
| 06:21.13 | DJ3RAS3R | yes |
| 06:21.19 | t1n0m3n | looking for some wireless help getting my 3945 intel card to see a Cisco 1200 802.11a AP |
| 06:21.24 | \amethyst | DJ3RAS3R: upgrading from what to what, btw? |
| 06:21.24 | Guerin | on etch? you're on crack. |
| 06:21.28 | dondelelcaro | DJ3RAS3R: if you don't already have a root shell, and can't get one going, then you'll have to restart with init=/bin/bash and fix pam. |
| 06:21.31 | Guerin | there's something you're not tleling us. |
| 06:22.00 | tralala | DJ3RAS3R, paste your sources.list |
| 06:22.00 | DJ3RAS3R | im root now but how to reinstall fucking pam |
| 06:22.05 | tralala | DJ3RAS3R, /msg dpkg paste |
| 06:22.19 | Guerin | man dpkg will tell you how to reinstall a package |
| 06:22.37 | dondelelcaro | DJ3RAS3R: it's rather unlikely that it's actually pam that's the problem; more likely that it's your pam configuration that is wrong. What is the error messages that you're getting? |
| 06:22.39 | mosno | the funny thing about sources.list is you can make it look pristine after whoring it out with 3rd party repos and installign stuff |
| 06:23.16 | tralala | mosno, don't give him hints! |
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| 06:23.31 | \amethyst | DJ3RAS3R: try dpkg-reconfigure libpam-modules If that doesn't work, you can try reinstalling it, but that's not likely to help either |
| 06:23.34 | mosno | tralala: just pointing out a flaw in the whole 'show me ur sources.list!!11' |
| 06:23.40 | Guerin | mosno: yes, but you can never fool apt-cache policy troublesome-package |
| 06:23.48 | mosno | Guerin: nice |
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| 06:24.08 | DJ3RAS3R | i tryed samo su: Permission denied |
| 06:24.10 | mosno | Guerin: is there a way to see for all time the total set of sources.list lines that apt has encountered? |
| 06:24.15 | mosno | i'm guessing "lol no" |
| 06:24.20 | dondelelcaro | mosno: nope. |
| 06:24.24 | mosno | ok |
| 06:24.27 | DJ3RAS3R | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib |
| 06:24.32 | \amethyst | DJ3RAS3R: You can't ssh as root? |
| 06:24.32 | dondelelcaro | mosno: you can track some of it by looking at the logs, but that's about it. |
| 06:24.34 | tralala | mosno, I give the benefit of doubt with regard to malicious intends |
| 06:24.35 | DJ3RAS3R | deb ftp://debian.ludost.net/debian/ stable main |
| 06:24.42 | DJ3RAS3R | deb-src ftp://debian.ludost.net/debian/ stable main |
| 06:24.43 | Guerin | mosno: no. I wrote a very ugly script to sort all packages by oprigina once, but it gor nuked in a failed backup0. |
| 06:24.43 | tralala | in this case anyway |
| 06:24.47 | DJ3RAS3R | this is list |
| 06:25.10 | DJ3RAS3R | i can login in sshd as root |
| 06:25.13 | Guerin | origin, got, you realise |
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| 06:25.21 | dondelelcaro | DJ3RAS3R: so the only thing that isn't working is su? |
| 06:25.41 | DJ3RAS3R | su sudo passwd |
| 06:25.56 | mosno | Guerin: damn. one of the issues i'd have as a Debian neophyte was figuring out from where apt had pulled (or would pull) debs from. |
| 06:25.58 | DJ3RAS3R | openssh too but i removed UsePAM |
| 06:26.15 | Guerin | mosno: would pull is easy. Had pulled is more tricky. |
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| 06:27.06 | dondelelcaro | DJ3RAS3R: and what does stat /bin/su /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/passwd; say? Give us the contents of /etc/pam.d/*; too. |
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| 06:27.32 | mosno | Guerin: so apt-get policy covers "would pull" |
| 06:28.36 | tralala | DJ3RAS3R, do these checksums match? http://rafb.net/p/BLlRJ354.html |
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| 06:28.42 | mosno | Guerin: in your nuked script were you looking in /var/lib/dpkg for the origin info? |
| 06:28.53 | Guerin | mosno: apt-cache. Yes. Once you grok the apt pinning rules it's quite easy to predict. also. |
| 06:28.56 | DJ3RAS3R | su[25101]: PAM (su) illegal module type: @include |
| 06:29.04 | DJ3RAS3R | su[25101]: PAM (su) no module name supplied |
| 06:29.17 | Guerin | mosno: it parsed the output of apt-cache policy into a meaningful summary |
| 06:29.30 | Guerin | i wouldn't like to have to write it again, it was uuuug-ly |
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| 06:29.44 | cast | DJ3RAS3R: really. reinstall. |
| 06:29.54 | cast | DJ3RAS3R: machine has been compromised |
| 06:30.02 | mosno | Guerin: aah, so it wouldn't cover the "has pulled" case |
| 06:30.16 | DJ3RAS3R | damn L( |
| 06:30.48 | DJ3RAS3R | i ll never use apt-get again :P |
| 06:30.48 | tralala | DJ3RAS3R, the checksums... |
| 06:30.58 | Guerin | mosno: no, it explicitly did. As well as apt-cache policy it checked apt-cache show and some other things and gave output like packagename version repositoryname sourceurl |
| 06:31.09 | DJ3RAS3R | checksums are fine |
| 06:31.17 | mosno | Guerin: nice. |
| 06:32.03 | dondelelcaro | DJ3RAS3R: so your su configuration is wrong. |
| 06:32.05 | tralala | DJ3RAS3R, we might be speaking about a security breach then |
| 06:32.34 | DJ3RAS3R | and what should i do now |
| 06:32.39 | dondelelcaro | DJ3RAS3R: if you're not going to supply the configuration, we can't help you. |
| 06:33.15 | dondelelcaro | (since it seems rather clear that you've munged the su configuration or one of the @include'd configurations) |
| 06:33.27 | DJ3RAS3R | @include common-auth |
| 06:33.27 | DJ3RAS3R | @include common-account |
| 06:33.27 | DJ3RAS3R | @include common-session |
| 06:33.30 | Guerin | that would probably be the something he's not telling us |
| 06:33.32 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: Actually, it's saying it doesn't recognize @include |
| 06:33.34 | dondelelcaro | DJ3RAS3R: do not paste it here. |
| 06:33.44 | DJ3RAS3R | where ? |
| 06:33.50 | \amethyst | !paste |
| 06:33.50 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 06:34.20 | tralala | DJ3RAS3R, did you really verify the checksums I've sent you? |
| 06:34.34 | DJ3RAS3R | they match |
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| 06:34.44 | Guerin | dpkg, paste is also Don't eat it, either. It's only yummy at first. |
| 06:34.45 | dpkg | is also Don't eat it, either. It's only yummy at first.: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 06:34.52 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: paste =~ s/don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel,/do not paste anything at all to this channel/ |
| 06:34.52 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 06:34.56 | Guerin | <sigh> |
| 06:35.17 | DJ3RAS3R | http://paste.debian.net/32044 |
| 06:35.20 | cast | to be fair he did only paste 3 lines, maybe update dpkg to say 2? |
| 06:35.34 | Guerin | cast: ESLIPPERYSLOPE |
| 06:35.47 | cast | just seen people paste 3 lines and get told off a few times |
| 06:35.58 | Azar | speaking of paste : Day changed to 04 Jul 2007 << wtf? supposed to show 5th |
| 06:36.19 | tralala | Azar, you clock's wrong |
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| 06:36.43 | DJ3RAS3R | so ? |
| 06:37.15 | Azar | noo no way, my current and _correct_ time now is 23:37 July 4th |
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| 06:37.41 | Azar | chanserv is wrong |
| 06:38.02 | Azar | I checked with my radio clock |
| 06:38.04 | Coke | Is it possible to execute x86 code (32 bit, from shared objects and what not) in AMD 64 bit Debian? |
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| 06:38.34 | Guerin | Azar: WTF, you trust a radio clock? |
| 06:38.59 | Azar | Guerin: my radio clock, my vcr, my phone clock.. are correct all |
| 06:39.07 | dondelelcaro | DJ3RAS3R: the su configuration looks right; what does common-auth, common-account and common-session say? what does dpkg -l libpam0g; md5sum /lib/libpam.so.0.*; say? |
| 06:39.09 | Guerin | Azar: I trust my seiko perpetual, Radio New Zealand and NTP servers, and nothing else |
| 06:39.35 | Azar | Guerin: radio clock takes time from the Colorado transmitter |
| 06:39.38 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: some radio clocks are set by WWV or similar. |
| 06:40.13 | Coke | Hm, I suspect ia32-libs have something to do with it. |
| 06:40.13 | tralala | DJ3RAS3R, dpkg -l libpam-modules libpam-runtime libpam0g |
| 06:40.13 | Guerin | Coke: i understand so. ask #debian-amd64 |
| 06:40.14 | dondelelcaro | (WWV Colorado being one of the at the tone, the coordinated universal time will be... places) |
| 06:40.15 | Azar | hm .. ok might be from yesterday's night |
| 06:40.51 | Azar | got 10 min to check chanserv .. |
| 06:40.59 | Coke | Guerin: yeah, I just used google instead. turns out it's more common than I thought. I never quite understood why you would buy a 64-bit arch and then run it 32-bit. Turns out non-free software is a decade behind. As usual. |
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| 06:41.00 | sledgeas | hello |
| 06:41.10 | DJ3RAS3R | http://paste.debian.net/32046 |
| 06:41.23 | tralala | dondelelcaro, he's already verified the checksums of all the pam.d against mine and they match |
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| 06:41.34 | Azar | Coke: lots of free or non-free are behind, hardware drivers included |
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| 06:41.41 | sledgeas | How many Debian CDs (there are >20!) should I download to have enough of running a file server with minimum GUI? |
| 06:41.53 | Guerin | oh, really |
| 06:42.00 | \amethyst | sledgeas: will you have network access while you're installing? |
| 06:42.11 | sledgeas | yes |
| 06:42.18 | \amethyst | sledgeas: then the netinst mini-CD should be sufficient |
| 06:42.24 | Guerin | oh, wait - you mean a time signal on a radio station, not a clock/radio alarm on your bedside table? |
| 06:42.26 | dondelelcaro | DJ3RAS3R: why do you have a libpam.0.81.6 installed? |
| 06:42.36 | tralala | sledgeas, if you nic is supported by the installer you can use the netinst cd |
| 06:42.37 | sledgeas | will it have the GUI and options to install packages? |
| 06:42.39 | \amethyst | sledgeas: First CD if you want to reduce the install-time downloads a bit |
| 06:42.49 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: some clock radios are set using a time signal |
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| 06:43.00 | DJ3RAS3R | dondelelcaro ask apt-get ;] |
| 06:43.05 | Azar | Guerin: this clock is a sangean automatic gets the time from Boulder Colorado atomic by time zone |
| 06:43.38 | sledgeas | ok, perfect, thanks! |
| 06:43.43 | MangosDebian | Azar: well, the time might be accurate, but the dates wrong :) |
| 06:43.43 | dondelelcaro | DJ3RAS3R: uh... that version has never been released by Debian. |
| 06:43.49 | dondelelcaro | DJ3RAS3R: care to explain how it got there? |
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| 06:44.04 | tralala | DJ3RAS3R, dpkg -S /lib/libpam.so.0.81.6 |
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| 06:44.16 | DJ3RAS3R | i didnt installed it |
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| 06:44.36 | dondelelcaro | since Debian is running 0.79 and has been for quite some time. |
| 06:44.47 | Azar | Guerin: http://www.amazon.com/Sangean-RCR-1-Advanced-Atomic-Clock/dp/B0000CFYNH/ref=sr_1_8/104-1195274-0329562?ie=UTF8&s=audio-video&qid=1183617849&sr=1-8 |
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| 06:45.12 | tralala | neither did dpkg, as the above command will reveal |
| 06:45.14 | DJ3RAS3R | dpkg: /lib/libpam.so.0.81.6 not found. |
| 06:45.26 | cast | Azar: what common free pieces are behind? [imho wines primary use is to run non-free] |
| 06:45.43 | dondelelcaro | DJ3RAS3R: so you need to figure out what installed that file. If you didn't install it or cause it to be installed, you should assume that your machine has been compromised, and reinstall it. |
| 06:46.05 | tralala | DJ3RAS3R, exactly - apt did not put this file there. Something has been messed up about this system and it was not done by apt |
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| 06:46.38 | dimir | Moin |
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| 06:47.00 | Azar | cast, I did not got the time to compare and check.... generally speaking from what I read on various articles |
| 06:47.20 | Azar | monsieur dimir , oin indeed |
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| 06:47.51 | MangosDebian | DJ3RAS3R: you got some extra file installed that shouldnt be? sorry not really following the thread |
| 06:47.53 | Guerin | hm, interesting. |
| 06:47.53 | Guerin | that's nifty |
| 06:47.53 | Guerin | mine is a 9.99 ugly evil thing with abysmal reception |
| 06:47.53 | Guerin | i hate it all the more because it wakes me at 05:02 each morning |
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| 06:47.54 | DJ3RAS3R | im gonna reinstall ;] |
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| 06:48.42 | Azar | Guerin come back |
| 06:48.45 | dimir | azar: Good morning. :-) |
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| 06:48.50 | Azar | :) |
| 06:49.02 | DJ3RAS3R | thanks all for help |
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| 06:50.18 | cast | is the 'user's initial login group' anything special? is adding a few users with adduser -g users going to cause issues? there aren't any issues with them being in the same groups, but i'm not sure if 'initial login group' has some special properties or not |
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| 06:52.11 | geo-rge | cast: so you don't want a separate group for each user? |
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| 06:52.18 | Guerin | WTF |
| 06:52.22 | Guerin | did I paste a bunch of shite? |
| 06:52.28 | MangosDebian | yes |
| 06:52.32 | \amethyst | Guerin: you typed four lines quickly |
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| 06:52.41 | Guerin | oh, it must have been laggage |
| 06:52.41 | cast | geo-rge: i'm not sure. i don't think so. i was thinking, is there much/any point? |
| 06:52.46 | Azar | Guerin: I only see 4 lines |
| 06:52.55 | \amethyst | cast: At any given time, a user has a current group and a set of supplimental groups. The initial login group will be the "current group" when they login, until they do newgrp |
| 06:53.08 | Azar | 23:48 -!- Guerin was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood] |
| 06:53.18 | Guerin | Azar: i saw that bit, yeah |
| 06:53.24 | MangosDebian | Guerin: maybe you lagged? |
| 06:53.35 | geo-rge | or the bot did? |
| 06:53.38 | Guerin | i blame HellstraQueer |
| 06:53.40 | \amethyst | cast: You can access any file (etc) your supplemental groups will let you access. But when you create a new file, it will be owned by the current group |
| 06:53.42 | geo-rge | or the server did? |
| 06:53.49 | Azar | Guerin: anyways, since I got my mini-portable sangean radio I am sold to them: the best radio reception I ever had |
| 06:54.19 | \amethyst | cast: So the "initial login group" will be the group owner of new files the user creates, unless they take special steps to give them a different group |
| 06:54.27 | Guerin | Azar: i get quite poor reception here, I'm out on the south coast in a valley, with a 300M high hill between me and the transmitte |
| 06:54.30 | Guerin | r |
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| 06:54.47 | \amethyst | cas: unless they (the user) take special steps to give them (the files) a different group |
| 06:54.53 | cast | alright. sounds like its fine to have multiple users in the same initial group. they'll just have that group as the default group ownership of their files, which is no biggy as the default umask is g=rx |
| 06:54.58 | Azar | Guerin: I live in L.A. california and my radio gets the signal from Colorado... |
| 06:55.06 | Guerin | haha |
| 06:55.10 | Azar | :) |
| 06:55.31 | geo-rge | really??! you mean the pollution in LA doesn't block all radio? |
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| 06:55.45 | Azar | it sets itself once and works correctly all the way daylight saving included |
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| 06:55.59 | geo-rge | I guess if it did there wouldn't be much of an entertainment industry... |
| 06:56.01 | Azar | geo-rge: it blocks me sometimes :) |
| 06:56.03 | \amethyst | geo-rge: usually the pollution is radio-transparent |
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| 06:56.27 | cartesian1984 | Is dpkg a blootbot? |
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| 06:56.34 | MangosDebian | Azar: so you have a radio device to sync your computers clocks? |
| 06:56.35 | geo-rge | if not sky-opaque :) |
| 06:56.42 | \amethyst | dpkg: what are you |
| 06:56.42 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 06:56.49 | Azar | the small pocket radio gets a flawless reception anywhere: tunnels, underground parking, computer room at work.. electronic security gates.. |
| 06:56.56 | geo-rge | apt-get install ntp-simple |
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| 06:57.06 | Azar | MangosDebian: no, I use ntp |
| 06:57.27 | MangosDebian | Azar: ah ok, thought you were using some radio clock or something in your pc, my bad |
| 06:57.41 | cartesian1984 | \amethyst: thanks. |
| 06:57.44 | geo-rge | if he did, he could be an ntp server :) |
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| 06:57.58 | Azar | MangosDebian: scroll way up to find the original discussion :) |
| 06:58.14 | MangosDebian | take me 30 minutes to trace the thread ;( |
| 06:58.39 | Azar | although is a good idea to build the bios clock to sync with the Colorado transmitter.. |
| 06:58.56 | geo-rge | is that wwv? |
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| 06:59.11 | Azar | what wwv? |
| 06:59.19 | Azar | radio clock, radio waves.. |
| 06:59.25 | geo-rge | the colorado transmitter's callsign |
| 06:59.43 | \amethyst | Azar: until you try using the computer in a faraday cage :) |
| 06:59.51 | MangosDebian | heh |
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| 07:00.25 | Azar | oh yes |
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| 07:00.30 | Azar | http://www.ntp-time-server.com/atomic-clock.htm |
| 07:00.32 | geo-rge | when you listen to it directly, do you hear a tick every second and some guy saying stuff every minute? |
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| 07:00.39 | \amethyst | geo-rge: probably WWVB |
| 07:00.58 | geo-rge | what's the b? |
| 07:01.15 | giwe | how to I make a program sleep while it waits a return from a blocking function? |
| 07:01.34 | \amethyst | geo-rge: WWVB transmits in BCD on a 60 Hz carrier |
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| 07:01.53 | MangosDebian | cast: what uses are there for to the ms time accuracy? security? |
| 07:01.59 | DJ3RAS3R | bye all :) |
| 07:02.03 | geo-rge | giwe: just call the funtion, it blocks, when it returns, your program comes to life |
| 07:02.46 | giwe | geo-rge, the problem is that it looks like my program eats CPU while it is blocking. is it possible? |
| 07:03.02 | Azar | I used to have a programmed clock that will auto-change at the daylight saving time... but since the gov changed the dst, I decided to buy an atomic-clock.. I hate to change the time twice / year |
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| 07:03.04 | geo-rge | not sure |
| 07:03.06 | giwe | geo-rge, I would like my program to sleep . |
| 07:03.11 | geo-rge | I don't see why |
| 07:03.12 | \amethyst | geo-rge: 60 kHz, sorry |
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| 07:03.30 | cast | MangosDebian: i can't think of many, physics experiments? in light of all the latency about i can't imagine a few ms skew being the end of the world for many people. GPS units need to keep accurate time over short intervals, but they sync with satelites so no issue there |
| 07:03.41 | MangosDebian | Azar: what use do you have for an atomic clock anyways? |
| 07:03.47 | giwe | geo-rge, you mean, my program should be really already sleeping while it is blocked? |
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| 07:04.01 | Azar | MangosDebian: it changes the dst automatically |
| 07:04.12 | geo-rge | not "sleeping" but if it's blocked I don't see how it takes cpu |
| 07:04.16 | cast | [the needing to keep accurate time is a bit different from needing the correct time, though. you can appreciate how important delta t would be in calculating position] |
| 07:04.23 | MangosDebian | Azar: thats the only reason you got one? lol |
| 07:04.46 | giwe | geo-rge, well, would it spin in a sequence of noops? |
| 07:04.55 | Azar | yep plus the good frequence of sangean's radio |
| 07:05.05 | geo-rge | do you have a noops loop in your program? :) |
| 07:05.33 | geo-rge | if no, and it is eating cpu, it |
| 07:05.36 | giwe | geo-rge, no. to be more specific, the fuction that blocks is a DMA call. |
| 07:05.39 | geo-rge | is not your program doing that |
| 07:06.34 | geo-rge | so this wwvb transmits at 60khz? |
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| 07:06.49 | Azar | 50,000 watts, 60,000 Hz |
| 07:06.57 | giwe | geo-rge, I see it using 100% cpu time in top. |
| 07:07.00 | Azar | that for the receiver |
| 07:07.11 | MangosDebian | 50kw? wow |
| 07:07.22 | giwe | geo-rge, it sure does other things when it is not calling the DMA function. |
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| 07:07.27 | \amethyst | geo-rge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWVB |
| 07:07.35 | geo-rge | receiver uses 50kw?! |
| 07:07.36 | Azar | well guys, read the link , all the specs there |
| 07:07.38 | geo-rge | umm :) |
| 07:07.47 | geo-rge | must get hot in your house :) |
| 07:08.30 | MangosDebian | isnt 1amp ~= 100watts? |
| 07:08.45 | MangosDebian | on 60hz, 120v |
| 07:08.48 | \amethyst | Azar: it's the transmitter that uses 50kW, not the receiver |
| 07:09.40 | Azar | the receiver on the California, that broadcast to my radio |
| 07:09.50 | Azar | WWVB atomic clock receiver << read that |
| 07:09.53 | \amethyst | oh, retransmitter |
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| 07:11.08 | geo-rge | oic, you're saying there are repeaters |
| 07:11.20 | Azar | geo-rge: I would assume :) |
| 07:11.28 | \amethyst | not normally... the WWVB signal should reach the whole continental US |
| 07:11.31 | Azar | my radio clock is pretty small and cool.. |
| 07:11.40 | Azar | http://www.ntp-time-server.com/atomic-clock.htm |
| 07:12.30 | \amethyst | But if the clock doesn't have to be adjusted for DST, even when the rules change, there's someone else talking to it besides WWVB |
| 07:12.59 | geo-rge | it looks like the time code it sends is UTC |
| 07:13.03 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 07:13.11 | Azar | yep, same with ntp in computers |
| 07:13.44 | geo-rge | well with ntp in computers you have a config file :) |
| 07:14.04 | Guerin | crikey |
| 07:14.10 | Guerin | you lot are still on about ntp |
| 07:14.33 | geo-rge | my ntp has a first name... |
| 07:14.33 | \amethyst | Guerin: We could talk about the Gregorian calendar instead |
| 07:14.35 | geo-rge | it's n |
| 07:14.37 | Guerin | in that time I wired a better aerial into my $9.99 clock radio so i don't get woken up by fuzzy broadcasts at 05:02 |
| 07:14.46 | treeshoo | shell:/usr/bin# php |
| 07:14.46 | treeshoo | PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library ' |
| 07:15.01 | treeshoo | How do I fix my php it keeps giving me ^ error |
| 07:15.06 | Guerin | treeshoo: try installing lib' |
| 07:15.12 | geo-rge | are you sure you want to do normal stuff as root? |
| 07:15.15 | \amethyst | treeshoo: err, wasn't there something after the quote? |
| 07:15.24 | treeshoo | gd |
| 07:15.25 | treeshoo | something |
| 07:15.28 | treeshoo | with version |
| 07:15.31 | Guerin | ... |
| 07:15.34 | \amethyst | geo-rge: especially run PHP as root :) |
| 07:15.38 | Guerin | !inatallit |
| 07:15.44 | Guerin | !installit |
| 07:15.44 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
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| 07:15.49 | Guerin | treeshoo: how did you install php? |
| 07:15.56 | treeshoo | . /usr/lib/php5/20060613/gd.so' |
| 07:16.01 | Azar | it looks like it is receiving and decoding a NIST radio signal |
| 07:16.08 | epsilon | you mean 'php -v'? |
| 07:16.11 | treeshoo | it was working, but I tried to downgrade to php4 from php5 |
| 07:16.16 | Guerin | treeshoo: you lose. |
| 07:16.17 | geo-rge | how? |
| 07:16.28 | treeshoo | apt-get install php4 |
| 07:16.38 | Azar | again, php4? |
| 07:16.40 | Azar | damn! |
| 07:16.41 | epsilon | or php5 if etch |
| 07:16.47 | Azar | just ready today that php4 is dropped |
| 07:17.04 | treeshoo | well this application I need does not support php4 |
| 07:17.18 | epsilon | ... so you need 4 or 5 |
| 07:17.22 | epsilon | ? |
| 07:17.23 | geo-rge | ok, so why downgrade to php4? |
| 07:17.24 | treeshoo | I need php4 |
| 07:17.30 | treeshoo | sorry it doesnt suppor 5 |
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| 07:17.36 | geo-rge | oh, ok |
| 07:17.58 | treeshoo | how would I go about removing it completely to reinstall? |
| 07:17.59 | Azar | I am not sure about etch, but lenny and sid dropped php4 |
| 07:18.28 | \amethyst | treeshoo: What version of debian is this? |
| 07:18.32 | geo-rge | learn tcl and use aolserver |
| 07:19.00 | treeshoo | 4. somethign |
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| 07:19.36 | geo-rge | what does uname -r say? |
| 07:19.39 | Azar | treeshoo: php4 might not be working on etch |
| 07:20.02 | treeshoo | 2.6.9-023stab043.1-enterprise |
| 07:20.10 | Azar | whaaat? omg! |
| 07:20.19 | treeshoo | tell me that not red hat? |
| 07:20.21 | geo-rge | allllrightey then :) |
| 07:20.22 | Azar | he might run sarge |
| 07:20.41 | Azar | enterprise? wtf? :P |
| 07:20.43 | Azar | haha |
| 07:20.54 | treeshoo | its a VPS |
| 07:21.06 | treeshoo | I ordered debian 4 |
| 07:21.07 | Azar | virtual play station? |
| 07:21.27 | Azar | guys does Debian has an enterprise version? |
| 07:21.27 | geo-rge | hmm, ok, so they're using the redhat kernel for the debian 4? |
| 07:21.36 | treeshoo | not sure |
| 07:21.36 | predder | When my logrotate cron runs, one of the init scripts outputs a message to stderr. I get this output emailed to me by cron once a day for our 12 odd servers. I tried being tricky so I would be sent any other stderr messages with the following: |
| 07:21.40 | siimo | Azar: debian etch is enterprise class OS! |
| 07:21.44 | treeshoo | where else can I check if its debian? |
| 07:21.45 | cast | its pretty normal for VPS providers to give you a custom kernel |
| 07:21.53 | predder | /etc/init.d/stunnel4_server restart 2>&1 > /dev/null | /bin/grep -v 'Peer certificate location' but unfortunately now I get "exited with return code 1" |
| 07:22.02 | Azar | treeshoo: show us the content of your /etc/apt/sources.list :P |
| 07:22.12 | Azar | use a paster |
| 07:22.14 | treeshoo | with pleasure .. |
| 07:22.14 | Azar | !paste |
| 07:22.14 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 07:22.21 | siimo | treeshoo: Show us the output of: cat /etc/issue |
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| 07:22.26 | geo-rge | treeshoo: try: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:22.38 | Azar | sources.list don't fail |
| 07:22.44 | predder | Any ideas? Can I not put a | grep in a log rotate "postrotate" directive?? |
| 07:22.45 | treeshoo | shell:/usr/bin# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:22.45 | treeshoo | 4.0 |
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| 07:23.03 | siimo | wtf |
| 07:23.03 | Azar | nonono, please... /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:23.10 | geo-rge | that could be what you ordered then... but with a weird kernel :) |
| 07:23.10 | siimo | thats fake ? |
| 07:23.32 | geo-rge | it's a virtual server whose physical server runs redhat |
| 07:23.33 | treeshoo | http://pastebin.ca/604014 |
| 07:23.42 | treeshoo | there... |
| 07:24.10 | siimo | :o) |
| 07:24.23 | treeshoo | it is debian right? |
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| 07:24.29 | geo-rge | looks that way |
| 07:24.38 | treeshoo | whats with the kernel then? |
| 07:24.49 | Azar | he has a sarge/stable mixture |
| 07:24.54 | Azar | and very old non-us sources |
| 07:25.01 | geo-rge | it's a kernel that is shared among all the linuxes on the physical box |
| 07:25.11 | treeshoo | ok |
| 07:25.11 | siimo | looks like someone pwned treeshoo's system |
| 07:25.22 | treeshoo | that'd be me just messing about |
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| 07:25.45 | treeshoo | back to the original question about fixing php? |
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| 07:26.04 | treeshoo | PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library ' |
| 07:26.37 | geo-rge | you have to find out why that's happening |
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| 07:26.37 | geo-rge | I would remove apache and reinstall it maybe |
| 07:26.49 | treeshoo | stay with 2 or go back to 1? |
| 07:26.52 | geo-rge | could be that will take all the php stuff and libs with it |
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| 07:27.01 | Azar | treeshoo: you are running a sarge (oldstable) system mixed with the current stable system, and the package _youwant_ don't fit on that config |
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| 07:27.36 | treeshoo | what can I do to fix this? |
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| 07:27.47 | Azar | treeshoo: you should cleanup, upgrade to etch then try to install stuff |
| 07:27.48 | ttl_work | greetings all |
| 07:28.17 | treeshoo | to upgrade to etch can this be done remotely? I do not have physical access |
| 07:28.20 | Azar | first remove all non-us sources: they are obsolete |
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| 07:28.39 | treeshoo | ie: if the box reboots, it needs to come up with the same ip |
| 07:28.39 | Adriano | how do I add proper utf-8 support for terminals after tty6? |
| 07:28.42 | geo-rge | treeshoo: hmm, that is kinda iffy, especially with the kernel thing |
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| 07:28.54 | Azar | second change all sources to "sarge", then aptitude update, aptitude upgrade... lots of junk to be removed |
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| 07:29.06 | anditosan | when installing the opensource ati drivers on debian, what lines do I need to add to Xorg? |
| 07:29.08 | Adriano | I used dpkg-reconfigure console-setup, and set it for ttys 1 - 11 |
| 07:29.08 | treeshoo | aptitude is not installed |
| 07:29.15 | Azar | treeshoo: well, install it |
| 07:29.17 | Adriano | but it won't work |
| 07:29.31 | treeshoo | how does that differ from apt-get |
| 07:29.56 | Azar | treeshoo: then read the upgrade release notes to prepare for the upgrade to Debian Etch... it will tell you what is changed and what you need to backup |
| 07:30.14 | geo-rge | aptitude has a separate database it uses to determine what gets installed at each single aptitude invocation |
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| 07:30.32 | Azar | treeshoo: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 07:30.41 | treeshoo | thanks |
| 07:30.57 | Azar | treeshoo: aptitude acts like apt-get only it also cleans up junk packages that have dependency issues |
| 07:30.57 | geo-rge | I'm pretty much skeptical about upgrading anything until you understand exactly what will happen |
| 07:31.12 | treeshoo | its a pretty new box |
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| 07:31.15 | treeshoo | so I dont really mid |
| 07:31.18 | ttl_work | Iceweasel seems to crash with segfault while selecting another pdf viewer, the crash occurs while browsing to /user/bin, i'm using Debian Lenny |
| 07:31.19 | Azar | cleanup, study the notes, then upgrade |
| 07:31.25 | geo-rge | if this is a production server... don't upgrade |
| 07:31.26 | treeshoo | mind, worst case scenario I can ask the host to reimage |
| 07:31.34 | geo-rge | oh, it's a new box? |
| 07:31.38 | anditosan | I get this error everytime I try to run compiz |
| 07:31.39 | anditosan | compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No GLXFBConfig for default depth, this isn't going to work. compiz.real (core) - Error: Failed to manage screen: 0 compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0 |
| 07:31.40 | treeshoo | like 2 days |
| 07:31.44 | anditosan | help please |
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| 07:32.02 | Azar | anditosan: never used compiz |
| 07:32.15 | treeshoo | thats the cool beryl stuff right? |
| 07:32.19 | geo-rge | treeshoo: so you're ok with that? |
| 07:32.22 | treeshoo | yea |
| 07:32.23 | anditosan | yeah, that is right |
| 07:32.35 | geo-rge | ok, I'm less skeptical in that case |
| 07:32.42 | anditosan | Azar: do you know of some tutorials on how to install it? |
| 07:32.59 | Adriano | help? |
| 07:33.19 | Azar | ttl_work: pdf is a 3rd party, proprietary software, not part of Debian or free software, I find it normal that Debian would vomite on it |
| 07:33.40 | Azar | anditosan: no, I was and am never interested in compiz or beryl |
| 07:34.13 | ttl_work | Azar: it Crahes while selecting a viewer not while loading the viewer. |
| 07:34.25 | anditosan | ok |
| 07:34.31 | Azar | Adriano: sorry I have not been reading clearly, F1 through F6 is tty, the rest are for X |
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| 07:34.51 | Azar | ttl_work: pdf or pdf viewer is not _part_ of Debian |
| 07:35.03 | kenji | guys can you help me with exim? Im getting this: http://rafb.net/p/jnSzlf69.html |
| 07:35.16 | ttl_work | Azar: so xpdf is not part of debian? |
| 07:35.34 | Azar | ttl_work: right, I guess Debian uses something like odf.. |
| 07:35.42 | Adriano | Azar: I know, I added more ttys on inittab on purpose |
| 07:35.43 | kenji | ttl_work xpdf its a package in debian |
| 07:35.49 | Adriano | now tty12 is for x |
| 07:35.56 | geo-rge | well anything that's non-free according to DFSG is not part of debian |
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| 07:36.45 | treeshoo | is that why the mp3 lame encoder isnt included |
| 07:36.50 | geo-rge | I thought just "main" was "part of debian" |
| 07:37.03 | kenji | guys can you give me a hand with exim? |
| 07:37.21 | Adriano | treeshoo: no, lame itself is free software (or open source) |
| 07:37.30 | Azar | treeshoo: because is not Debian |
| 07:37.33 | Adriano | the mp3 spec is patent-encumbered, tho |
| 07:37.59 | geo-rge | what about mpeg4? |
| 07:38.08 | Azar | treeshoo: there are tons of packages, free or not free available for installation on Debian repositories |
| 07:38.20 | Azar | but Debian does not "have to" contain them |
| 07:38.37 | treeshoo | whats a good list of sources for my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:38.54 | geo-rge | it has to be a list... |
| 07:38.57 | Adriano | kenji: here, a hand |
| 07:39.04 | geo-rge | the elements of that list has to be sources... |
| 07:39.12 | geo-rge | and it has to be GOOD! |
| 07:39.12 | kenji | Adriano tnks, Im getting this in the exim logs http://rafb.net/p/jnSzlf69.html |
| 07:39.30 | treeshoo | a url would be nice geo-rge |
| 07:40.10 | Azar | treeshoo: your sources.list is good but: remove all non-us lines, change the "stable" with "sarge" on each |
| 07:40.12 | geo-rge | a nicely universal resource locator... |
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| 07:40.31 | treeshoo | thanks Azar |
| 07:40.40 | geo-rge | oh, I see, he has to get sarge first |
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| 07:40.44 | cTaT1k | Is there a way for aptitude to automatically purge all packages which I have remove with apt-get? |
| 07:40.48 | kenji | Adriano, any idea? |
| 07:40.51 | Adriano | no |
| 07:40.52 | Azar | treeshoo: when done, install and use aptitude update ... aptitude upgrade |
| 07:41.05 | Adriano | I was just saying to ask your question |
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| 07:41.20 | geo-rge | cTaT1k: no; the idea is maybe you might need the config files |
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| 07:41.29 | cTaT1k | Why would I need them? |
| 07:41.39 | geo-rge | in case you reinstalled the package |
| 07:41.42 | cTaT1k | If I removed the package completely ^^ |
| 07:41.43 | cTaT1k | hm ok |
| 07:41.56 | geo-rge | but maybe you don't want the configs too... |
| 07:42.00 | geo-rge | so THEN you purge |
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| 07:42.03 | geo-rge | or, |
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| 07:42.13 | Azar | cTaT1k: it might happen that packages you installed with apt-get not been "seen" by aptitude |
| 07:42.21 | geo-rge | maybe you think you messed up the config totally |
| 07:42.27 | geo-rge | so you purge and reinstall |
| 07:42.37 | geo-rge | and you then get the default configs back |
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| 07:45.00 | kenji | guys can you help me with exim? I need a hand please |
| 07:45.20 | cast | #exim might be better if its not a deb specific thing |
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| 07:46.44 | treeshoo | how do I trust the packages and get rid of that warning each time I use aptget or aptitude |
| 07:46.57 | geo-rge | you can get the key |
| 07:47.18 | ttl_work | Azar: WhenEver i select another viewer for WhatEver type of file iceweasel crashes when trying to browse /usr/bin |
| 07:47.21 | geo-rge | but wait, did you get to the sarge point? |
| 07:47.42 | treeshoo | I changed all the sources to sarge, yes |
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| 07:47.51 | treeshoo | and install aptitude did the update/upgrade stuff |
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| 07:47.57 | kenji | I don't get help on #exim, can you give me a hand? |
| 07:48.02 | geo-rge | ok, Azar: what does he do after that? |
| 07:48.13 | appelza | how do I create a user that cant leave their home directory? (chroot) |
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| 07:48.40 | kenji | what do you mean with can't leave their home appelza? |
| 07:49.37 | geo-rge | if you don't trust your users don't give them shell accounts!!@ |
| 07:49.54 | geo-rge | that will solve A LOT of problems |
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| 07:51.28 | treeshoo | there was this jailroot I was given on one shared host, I was able to tar extract, etc but couldnt go ouside my home folder. Dont konw how to set it up though |
| 07:52.07 | treeshoo | jailshell rather |
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| 07:59.49 | dotz | i accidently created a file called -dvddevice .. i try to rm -dvddevice but can't..tried with "" and ''s.. how? |
| 08:00.16 | geo-rge | dotz: rm /full/path/to/-file |
| 08:00.23 | Staz | rm -- -dvddevice |
| 08:00.27 | dotz | oh |
| 08:00.29 | dotz | lemme try |
| 08:00.44 | dotz | ah thx |
| 08:01.14 | dotz | is this some kind of secret? |
| 08:01.34 | geo-rge | which? --? |
| 08:01.34 | Staz | err secret? |
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| 08:01.46 | dotz | can't find in the manual :( |
| 08:01.47 | geo-rge | evidently not :) |
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| 08:02.27 | geo-rge | well you have to figure that all unix commands can have option switches you can give them, and they start with - |
| 08:02.37 | Staz | A -- signals the end of options and disables further option processing. |
| 08:02.52 | Staz | quoted from 'man bash' |
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| 08:03.11 | geo-rge | well that might not apply to any ol command |
| 08:03.12 | Staz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:03.18 | Staz | names. |
| 08:03.31 | geo-rge | that would have to apply to rm |
| 08:03.34 | waltercool | hi there... someone know how transform a ubuntu into debian pure? |
| 08:03.49 | waltercool | i dont have cd for burn it |
| 08:03.54 | geo-rge | back up FIRST |
| 08:04.20 | geo-rge | everything you care about or all of your hds, whichever is larger |
| 08:04.53 | geo-rge | once you have this backup you should be able to just reinstall |
| 08:04.58 | eifzon | Why do I get this error when I am trying to install beryl at debian etch? http://www.pastebin.ca/604036 I am following the: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian exactly |
| 08:05.09 | shingouz | waltercool: back up your /home and whatever else data you want to save, then format and install debian |
| 08:05.12 | SlayerXP | waltercool: you don't, you install debian after backing up important data |
| 08:05.28 | waltercool | lol... my problem is "how i get debian" xD |
| 08:05.36 | waltercool | i only have a 64bit cd |
| 08:05.40 | waltercool | and i need install 32bit |
| 08:05.46 | waltercool | and i cant copy cds |
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| 08:05.54 | geo-rge | get the 32b netinst cd |
| 08:05.56 | treeshoo | download the 32 bit net install or have someone do it for you |
| 08:05.57 | geo-rge | or floppies |
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| 08:06.21 | geo-rge | good floppies are hard to come by |
| 08:06.24 | waltercool | lol... floppies xD |
| 08:06.24 | cTaT1k | How do you clear an env var? |
| 08:06.37 | geo-rge | unset |
| 08:07.04 | geo-rge | (it will be a builtin command of the shell; for bash it's unset) |
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| 08:07.33 | cTaT1k | thanks |
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| 08:09.01 | eifzon | Anyone here running Window Avant Navigator on Debian Etch? |
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| 08:11.02 | geo-rge | eifzon: is there a debian package for that? |
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| 08:11.32 | eifzon | geo-rge: i dont know |
| 08:13.03 | geo-rge | eifzon: are you running it? |
| 08:13.08 | eifzon | No |
| 08:13.11 | eifzon | I want it |
| 08:13.32 | geo-rge | try searching packages.debian.org |
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| 08:16.47 | geo-rge | or if you're not running debian you could also search google |
| 08:17.55 | eifzon | heeh geo-rge |
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| 08:18.02 | eifzon | but hm, why do i get this errorr? |
| 08:18.06 | eifzon | Why do I get this error when I am trying to install beryl at debian etch? http://www.pastebin.ca/604036 I am following the: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian exactly |
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| 08:19.39 | uwe | hello, im unable to find any document on senmail + smtp auth (sasl) on debian that does not involve (re)compiling |
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| 08:20.25 | geo-rge | uwe: got the o'reilly Sendmail book? |
| 08:20.26 | Adriano | should I happen to add more consoles in /etc/inittab, how could I ensure that the new ones get configured with the same locale as the others? currently, half of them show accents correctly, the others show fun stuff like ñ |
| 08:20.58 | Adriano | dpkg-reconfigure console-setup doesn't seem to be the answer |
| 08:21.54 | Adriano | plus, stuff like centericq-utf8 and links suffer, and don't display borders as on the other consoles |
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| 08:23.20 | geo-rge | what is a .vob file? like vts_01_1.vob |
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| 08:23.44 | valdyn | geo-rge: part of a video dvd |
| 08:23.57 | Adriano | geo-rge: a video object file, see valdyn's answer |
| 08:24.39 | eifzon | anyone here using awn? |
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| 08:26.00 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 08:26.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 08:26.22 | valdyn | eifzon: why dont you use the compiz packages from debian repositories? |
| 08:26.34 | eifzon | valdyn: huh? |
| 08:26.48 | eifzon | valdyn: i want beryl |
| 08:26.51 | geo-rge | eifzon: huh isn't really an understandable answer |
| 08:26.55 | cast | geo-rge: looks like you've been ripping dvds! |
| 08:26.58 | markus | i want to use sftp instead of ftp to close another port on my webserver. is there a sftp-client that ignores hidden files/directories? i upload from a svn copy and gftp/filezilla always upload all the .svn dirs. |
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| 08:27.04 | valdyn | eifzon: beryl is just the bloated version of compiz... |
| 08:27.13 | eifzon | valdyn: ok? |
| 08:27.16 | geo-rge | yeah, it turned out I didn't want to :) |
| 08:27.18 | eifzon | but i just wonder why i get that erro |
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| 08:30.03 | tim__ | does anyone know the package i need to install to get GL/glxext.h ? |
| 08:30.26 | cafuego | !find GL/glxext.h |
| 08:30.31 | streuner | !tell tim__ about search |
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| 08:31.17 | tim__ | steuner, that didnt actually do anything |
| 08:31.32 | streuner | tim__: /msg dpkg search |
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| 08:31.57 | valdyn | eifzon: your nameserver is resolving debian.beryl-project.org to 80.77.247.17, while the correct ip is 82.140.42.54 |
| 08:32.20 | valdyn | eifzon: that's probably just temporary, you can probably use the IP instead of the name meanwhile |
| 08:32.32 | tim__ | streuner, `thanks |
| 08:32.35 | cafuego | valdyn: valdyn Actually, it's a round-robin with three different IPs. |
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| 08:32.44 | cafuego | 80.77.247.17, 82.140.42.54, 208.113.193.9 |
| 08:32.49 | valdyn | cafuego: ah, so maybe one is broken |
| 08:32.55 | cafuego | quite possible |
| 08:32.55 | eddie | is there any to auto install debian with PXE and kickstart scripts |
| 08:33.00 | Penix | !spank realtime-lsm |
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| 08:33.07 | Penix | thank $deity for Ingo Molnar and the PAM developers/packagers. |
| 08:33.09 | eifzon | valdyn: what how shall i write tehn |
| 08:33.23 | eddie | if so can some one point in the right direction? |
| 08:33.34 | eddie | I have my PXE server nfs working with centos... |
| 08:33.39 | eddie | i need to the same with debian?? |
| 08:33.47 | valdyn | eifzon: replace debian.beryl-project.org with any of the ips that cafuego listed, except 80.77.247.17 |
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| 08:34.07 | valdyn | eifzon: 82.140.42.54 just worked for me. |
| 08:34.13 | eifzon | valdyn: and how di you write it |
| 08:35.08 | Penix | eddie: the manual should tell you how. /msg dpkg install guide |
| 08:35.29 | Penix | eddie: if not, google for debian, pxe boot etc. |
| 08:36.17 | valdyn | eifzon: replace "debian.beryl-project.org" with one of those ips, cant be easier |
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| 08:37.19 | eddie | Penix: well yes. |
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| 08:40.05 | ir8 | Penix: there are no howto's there. |
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| 08:40.41 | geo-rge | irb: then find where they are! |
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| 08:42.14 | cafuego | valdyn: if they're name-based vhosts that won't work, btw |
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| 08:43.20 | DawnLight | how do i know which physical port is ethx? |
| 08:43.45 | klikklak | can someone help me out with kernel problems? ... I need two modules nvidia blob (well, not mandatory, but I'm considering a second monitor) and lirc. Lirc crashes with problems finding the headers, what environment variable can I use to make it find the headers? |
| 08:44.06 | klikklak | nvidia crashes with gpl only symbol complaint, is there a way around this? |
| 08:44.15 | oandrew | how can i go straight from using windows to using linux in under ONE week??? |
| 08:44.21 | geo-rge | DawnLight: some ethx have physical hardware, some don't |
| 08:44.30 | cast | oandrew: it only takes an hour. |
| 08:44.37 | cast | oandrew: you download a cd, pop it in. reboot. |
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| 08:45.17 | DawnLight | klikklak: i am working with two monitors with nvidia, so if you have any questions |
| 08:45.27 | oandrew | cast >>i have done that but i cant access the internet now |
| 08:45.34 | Penix | klikklak: what makes you think env variables are the solution? have you got the lirc development package(s) installed? |
| 08:45.37 | erik | DEBIAN is not allowed to include JRE in the distro (I have the 3 ETCH DVD's). How would I install a JRE anyway ? |
| 08:45.57 | geo-rge | I thought that changed somehow |
| 08:45.59 | oandrew | unstable |
| 08:46.11 | cydork | erik: check /msg dpkg install java |
| 08:46.39 | oandrew | erik, YuP just grab the Unstable package |
| 08:46.47 | cydork | erik: sun-java5-jdk is in non-free. |
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| 08:46.54 | cydork | oandrew: huh? why? |
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| 08:47.21 | oandrew | (if you don't have the unstable source (place) listed in your apt-get config then you'll not be able to get it |
| 08:47.24 | DawnLight | i have a firewire and two ethernet ports. debian made eth0, eth1 and eth2 for me. how do i know which is which? |
| 08:47.28 | cast | oandrew: ok. now try again and use stable this time |
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| 08:47.32 | klikklak | Penix: well, it can't find the headers so I thought pointing at them might help. But no, I haven't got lirc development files, the only one I could find was liblircclient-dev, did you mean this one? otherwise I've got all the files m-a a-i lirc gives me |
| 08:47.43 | valdyn | klikklak: nvidia drivers do not work with 2.6.21 kernels, use older or newer |
| 08:47.58 | oandrew | cast >> ive checkt it out |
| 08:48.01 | Penix | klikklak: are you talking about lirc-modules-source or the lirc application? |
| 08:48.03 | klikklak | valdyn: finally I got confirmation on what I thought was wrong. |
| 08:48.05 | geo-rge | DawnLight: ahh... you could try ifconfig -a |
| 08:48.06 | Penix | kingsley: what's m-a a-i?... |
| 08:48.08 | klikklak | Penix: lirc-modules-source |
| 08:48.09 | geo-rge | and look at them |
| 08:48.26 | oandrew | cast >> it's a bloody "winmodem?!?" (whatever that is) |
| 08:48.29 | cydork | Penix: man m-a :) |
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| 08:48.39 | valdyn | klikklak: .. or fix the code, which should be very simple, and a patch should be around somewhere |
| 08:48.44 | klikklak | valdyn: older or newer? you mean 2.6.22 would work as well? |
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| 08:48.56 | valdyn | klikklak: yea, afaik |
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| 08:49.11 | cast | oandrew: ahh. go buy a new modem. you might be able to get it to work, but winmodems are another word for 'software modem' aka 'controllerless modem' they save money by doing work in sw instead of hw like real modems |
| 08:49.31 | klikklak | valdyn: hmm, ok, I'll move to the experimental kernel's then *sigh* I thought that was what was giving me trouble |
| 08:49.37 | geo-rge | then you try each to see which of eth* works when you connect to the physical ethernet connecto |
| 08:49.39 | geo-rge | r |
| 08:49.46 | valdyn | klikklak: patching is easy too |
| 08:50.02 | valdyn | klikklak: probably easier than compiling a kernel... |
| 08:50.35 | Penix | I've been using 9755 with a 2.6.21 kernel for quite a while without any problems. |
| 08:50.36 | DawnLight | thanks geo-rge. now i know that eth0 is the firewire. how about the other two? what is an easy way to konw which is which? |
| 08:50.39 | cast | oandrew: when i say you might be able to get it to work, i did when i first started using 'linux'. but even then i went and bought a real modem |
| 08:50.45 | Penix | even with the realtime patch |
| 08:51.08 | valdyn | klikklak: its only a legalese thing, in a way, as nvidia _claims_ to be non-free, where the kernel _claims_ that symbol to be gpl only, either part can be changed - google may know |
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| 08:51.30 | oandrew | cast >> how much did it cost though? (i FouNd this computer) |
| 08:51.40 | geo-rge | apply the same technique recursively |
| 08:51.59 | madriss | can anyone help me understand what all these backup files on my server are? i have "myservername-bin.#" where # is a number. there are between 2 and 4 of these files for every single day of varying sizes and they all belong to mysql |
| 08:52.08 | cast | oandrew: the winmodem? probably the cost of 3 people eating lunch at mcdonalds |
| 08:52.18 | Penix | oandrew: I was a lucent winmodem user for years. best thing I ever bought (besides my dsl modem) was a proper, hardware us robotics serial modem |
| 08:52.42 | oandrew | cool cast |
| 08:52.48 | klikklak | valdyn: ok, I'll look into patching, I'd like to stay in sid with my kernel |
| 08:52.49 | oandrew | cool penix |
| 08:53.20 | oandrew | mines a conexant i think, but i'll have to go buy one then |
| 08:54.13 | cast | oandrew: and install debian stable, if you haven't already |
| 08:54.35 | oandrew | ok, i was just using "damn small" |
| 08:54.47 | oandrew | (it's good too) |
| 08:55.07 | oandrew | no blender though (that was my favourite) |
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| 09:00.07 | starz | Error: The GUI requires libavcodec with PNG support. |
| 09:00.30 | starz | trying to compile mplayer - compiled x264 then ffmpeg and i'm getting that any clues guyz? |
| 09:00.41 | geo-rge | SO: you probably shouldh't fulfill the requirements |
| 09:01.02 | geo-rge | are there any cluze in the message you posted? |
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| 09:01.47 | cafuego | starz: ffmpeg with x264 requires more work still, plus a non-broken libmp4v2 |
| 09:02.00 | hyperi_ | Does someone know that when I've 'screen' progran on, and I accidentally typo CTRL-A-S it totally freezes |
| 09:02.02 | cafuego | starz: it's a can of worms |
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| 09:02.19 | cafuego | hyperi_: That's "scroll lock" |
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| 09:02.27 | cafuego | hyperi_: ctrl-a-q to unlock |
| 09:02.28 | hyperi_ | cafuego: And how do I get it off? |
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| 09:02.41 | hyperi_ | cafuego: Didn't help :/ |
| 09:02.42 | starz | mm |
| 09:02.44 | starz | nice |
| 09:02.44 | cafuego | much lik ctrl-a/ctrl-q on a normal terminal |
| 09:02.57 | starz | thanx cafuego / geo-rge |
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| 09:03.25 | cafuego | starz: http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
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| 09:04.03 | hyperi_ | cafuego: Ok, now it worked on other screen, but other instance is still frozen :/ (I've done other screens in same instance) |
| 09:04.24 | geo-rge | hyperi_: to find out how to get it off, you need to consult a tantric yogi |
| 09:04.36 | starz | ty more |
| 09:04.41 | hyperi_ | geo-rge: huh? |
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| 09:05.15 | geo-rge | not even a clue... |
| 09:05.23 | cafuego | hyperi_: hmm, odd |
| 09:05.35 | klikklak | that's strange, I try to compile the kernel and it gives me: no make file in headers' directory |
| 09:05.48 | hyperi_ | cafuego: cafuego Only one out of four froze still :/ |
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| 09:06.41 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
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| 09:22.42 | klikklak | duh |
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| 09:24.12 | massctrl | hi I just tried to "apt-get install mysql-server-5.0" and it failed with "dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure): \ subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" how can I fix this ? |
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| 09:29.26 | erik | where is an APT source for JRE or JDB for ETCH ? http://www.debian-unofficial.org/mirrors.html says that ftp://ftp.tiscali.nl/debian-unofficial/ would be one, but APT cannot find the sun-j2se5.0-jre-binary there, it says.... |
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| 09:30.14 | erik | JDB = JDK |
| 09:30.49 | valdyn | !info sun-java5-jdk |
| 09:30.53 | valdyn | !info sun-java5-jdk etch |
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| 09:31.08 | erik | !info sun-java5-jdk etch |
| 09:32.00 | valdyn | erik: its there, its just in non-free |
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| 09:32.39 | dpkg | sun-java5-jdk: (Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0), section non-free/devel, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-12-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4932 kB, Installed size: 11452 kB |
| 09:32.41 | dpkg | sun-java5-jdk: (Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0), section non-free/devel, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-10-3 (etch), Packaged size: 4923 kB, Installed size: 11420 kB |
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| 09:34.01 | erik | valdyn: yes, non-free, so I added the line "deb ftp://ftp.tiscali.nl/debian-unofficial/ etch main contrib non-free restricted" to sources.list....and then it could not find it.... |
| 09:34.13 | azeem | debian-unofficial is not debian |
| 09:35.56 | valdyn | erik: that's hardly an official debian repository, as the name sais |
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| 09:38.41 | erik | valdyn: hm.. I see more packages in ftp.debian.org/debian/pool.... so tiscali is not a mirror... that what you mean ? |
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| 09:39.22 | rossMoHaX | How to compile own openvz kernel? I've followed http://wiki.openvz.org/Installation_on_Debian but it fails to compile, even more, there is no CONFIG_VE_* options in menuconfig |
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| 09:40.40 | azeem | erik: that directory of tiscali is a mirror of debian-unofficial, not of debian |
| 09:41.15 | eifzon | i did install 100.14.11 nvidia driver, and i get this error: "NVIDIA kernel and module's doesent match" |
| 09:41.20 | azeem | erik: ftp://ftp.tiscali.nl/debian is the debian mirror |
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| 09:43.31 | sneharajr | how to check remote port status |
| 09:43.41 | petemc | telnet remote port |
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| 09:44.12 | sneharajr | telnet is taking long time |
| 09:44.23 | petemc | then theres probably a firewall or something |
| 09:44.24 | sneharajr | to come out |
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| 09:45.14 | sneharajr | i tried telnet in shell script but it's taking long time |
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| 09:46.02 | rossMoHaX | solved, problem was dependency on security |
| 09:46.15 | erik | azeem: would I put the line "deb ftp://ftp.tiscali.nl/debian/pool/ etch main contrib non-free restricted" in my sources.list ? or without the "pool" ? |
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| 09:48.33 | azeem | erik: don't you have a etch line in there already? |
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| 09:49.05 | nse | I love you, Debian!!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:49.15 | erik | Azeem: I had: |
| 09:49.16 | erik | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 09:49.18 | erik | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 09:49.19 | erik | deb http://apt.tt-solutions.com/debian/ etch main |
| 09:49.32 | azeem | the last one being the main etch line |
| 09:49.40 | azeem | just append non-free to it |
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| 09:49.45 | azeem | if you want to activate non-free |
| 09:50.20 | nmee | How do I forward all mails received on a server (exim4, Debian 4.0) to an external smtp address? (a single address, not a server) |
| 09:50.39 | azeem | nmee: what is "a single smtp address"? |
| 09:50.52 | nmee | nmee@domain.com |
| 09:51.03 | azeem | that's an email address |
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| 09:51.17 | nmee | okay, e-mail address then |
| 09:51.24 | azeem | nmee: did you try to put it into your ~/.forward` |
| 09:51.24 | azeem | ? |
| 09:51.27 | azeem | without the ` |
| 09:51.33 | erik | azeem: hm...i think that repos. does not have the non-free... not really a mirror I suppose.... |
| 09:51.46 | nmee | azeem: I want to forward all mail, not just for a single user |
| 09:52.00 | azeem | erik: then I suggest you get a proper Debian mirror first |
| 09:52.03 | nmee | (regardless of whether the user exists or not on the server in question) |
| 09:52.27 | erik | azeem: yes. thanx I think I get the picture now. much obliged. |
| 09:52.30 | azeem | nmee: but you listen for incoming smtp connection? |
| 09:52.42 | azeem | or where are the mails coming from? |
| 09:52.53 | nmee | azeem: I do, yes |
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| 09:56.11 | the_angry_angel | Hi guys. Wonder if I could get any advice - I've got a box running lenny and its periodically just dropping off the network. mrtg runs accessing local host and whilst the box isn't responding mrtg doesn't record anything so I doubt it's a hardware fault but *shrug* any suggestions at all? |
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| 09:58.10 | cast | does dmesg show eth going down? |
| 09:58.26 | the_angry_angel | nope |
| 09:58.30 | GreaseMonkey | getting off now, gnight |
| 09:58.38 | the_angry_angel | thats the weird thing the box is behaving normally then everything just stops |
| 09:58.54 | geert_ | when trying to execute a 32bits executable on a 64 bits system I get "Exec format error". See here for output: http://www.pastebin.ca/604122 any1 have a clue? |
| 09:58.56 | the_angry_angel | no eth going away, nothing else being logged |
| 09:59.02 | the_angry_angel | just stops |
| 09:59.09 | vlt | Hello. Is there an easy way to connect eth0 to the wifi device ath0? My notebook is connected to an AP and I want to share this connection with other wired devices (on MAC layer). |
| 09:59.34 | cast | install the ipmasq pkg to do NAT |
| 09:59.45 | cast | oh, dunno @ mac layer |
| 09:59.59 | vlt | cast: yes, mac layer |
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| 10:00.53 | nmee | azeem: I just don't wont any mails to be orphaned on the server |
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| 10:03.08 | xored`off | iam getting spammed with : monit alert -- Monit instance ...by my new monin instanallation but i cant get why...its like its restarting every 1 minut ? |
| 10:04.24 | cast | pastebin the log and what the logfile is |
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| 10:05.34 | Uno | >mke2fs /dev/sda2 |
| 10:05.39 | Uno | on usb |
| 10:05.44 | xored`off | cast: set logfile syslog facility log_daemon |
| 10:06.04 | xored`off | cast: is set this as logging, cant find a log under /var/log anywhere |
| 10:06.05 | Uno | >device descriptor read/64, error -110 |
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| 10:06.26 | Uno | pendrive |
| 10:07.12 | Uno | the led non stop |
| 10:07.28 | Uno | any solutions |
| 10:07.36 | lexoplex | When I write a shell script that has no shebang line, make it executable and then run it, it is still executed by a shell. How does that work? Is that Debian-specific? |
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| 10:08.27 | petemc | lexoplex: in the same way you dont need to have a shebang line for commands you type into your shell |
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| 10:09.08 | xored`off | cast: its weared, it even sends me altets when i stop monin |
| 10:09.13 | xored`off | monit |
| 10:09.26 | lexoplex | petemc: But I think it's still executed in a child shell... I'm not 100% sure, though. |
| 10:09.39 | petemc | lexoplex: any command you run is |
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| 10:11.16 | lexoplex | petemc: It is? OK, I see. So such a script will always be executed by an instance of the current shell program... |
| 10:11.20 | lexoplex | petemc: Thanks. |
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| 10:11.39 | petemc | im pretty sure thats what happens |
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| 10:15.14 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to have Linux run a shell script when an USB devices is connected (in this case a harddisk or USB memory key) |
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| 10:15.54 | petemc | usbmount might be able to do that |
| 10:16.38 | cydork | Jemt: ivman can do that |
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| 10:17.25 | Jemt | Great, thanks - I'll check those solutions out :) |
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| 10:30.20 | xored`off | i dont get rid of it. My monit is starting and stopping itself all the time ( an alerts me for that )..is that normal ( restart every minute ) |
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| 10:33.37 | wols_ | xored`off: what do your logs say? |
| 10:34.17 | erik | APT-question: I want to include "non-free" in the sources.list. Now I see in the mirror's directory structure, that there is a http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/non-free/ and a http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/ . I see the package I need in that last branch. What would be my line in sources.list ? |
| 10:34.19 | erik | deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ etch non-free |
| 10:34.20 | erik | or |
| 10:34.22 | erik | deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/pool/ etch non-free |
| 10:34.23 | erik | or |
| 10:34.25 | erik | deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ etch pool/non-free |
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| 10:34.36 | aslakjo | i'm looking for some standard solution to gather all info in one place when making .deb packages from autoconf automake projects |
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| 10:36.34 | Xik0 | hello, it's possible to change mirror during the installation in debian net install? cause the mirror i seletected is very slow and i would like to change it |
| 10:37.02 | diilbertAtWork | What is the getopt command? I am getting an error that this "command not found" when trying to apt-get install php5-gd |
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| 10:38.15 | petemc | diilbertAtWork: its a function to help commands parse command line options |
| 10:38.15 | diilbertAtWork | See: http://pastebin.ca/604157 |
| 10:38.28 | diilbertAtWork | petmec: Is it possible to be missing ? |
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| 10:39.08 | erik | diilbert: getopt is a c-function to process commandline options |
| 10:39.09 | petemc | diilbertAtWork: get<tab><tab> |
| 10:39.47 | diilbertAtWork | petemc: I have getoptS |
| 10:39.49 | cydork | diilbertAtWork: you have util-linux installed? |
| 10:39.51 | diilbertAtWork | with an s |
| 10:40.00 | cydork | diilbertAtWork: that's a bash builtin |
| 10:40.13 | cydork | diilbertAtWork: you need /usr/bin/getopt which is in util-linux |
| 10:41.13 | cast | wait...whats up with needing authentication to add a printer to http://localhost:631/admin, thats not the root pass is it? |
| 10:41.14 | cydork | diilbertAtWork: which should be installed anyways. |
| 10:41.41 | diilbertAtWork | It does not seem to be there... but if I try installing it I get: unmet dependencies: util-linux Depends tzdata (>= 2006c-2) |
| 10:41.42 | cydork | cast: yes, it is by default! |
| 10:42.13 | azeem | Package: util-linux |
| 10:42.13 | azeem | Essential: yes |
| 10:42.24 | azeem | diilbertAtWork: which version of Debian is that? |
| 10:42.59 | diilbertAtWork | I have a feeling I know what it is... Some genius thought it would be wise to install etch unstable like 5 months ago... I was getting errors yesterday when trying to install something so I did a apt-get update and am now in this mess |
| 10:43.16 | diilbertAtWork | now my server is in a mess |
| 10:43.35 | azeem | who is "Some genius", and why do they have root on your server? |
| 10:44.10 | diilbertAtWork | The guy who runs the it department and the one who initially set them up |
| 10:44.24 | diilbertAtWork | And from your comment I am guessing that is the problem |
| 10:44.36 | azeem | what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 10:44.51 | diilbertAtWork | The worst thinking is my production servers are running the same version, I am happen I tried it on this one first |
| 10:45.24 | diilbertAtWork | ii libc6 2.5-9 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 10:47.13 | azeem | diilbertAtWork: so that is testing or unstable |
| 10:47.50 | diilbertAtWork | unstable is my guess since it is pulling packages from the unstable directory on the repos |
| 10:47.57 | azeem | ok |
| 10:48.02 | azeem | restore from backups then |
| 10:48.16 | diilbertAtWork | Restore what ? |
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| 10:48.47 | diilbertAtWork | So there is nothing that can be done ? |
| 10:49.01 | azeem | I assume you don't want to have unstable running on your server? |
| 10:49.31 | azeem | restoring a backup is easier than manually trying to downgrade stuff, which is likely to break |
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| 10:50.14 | Adriano | I dread to ask: you _do_ have backups, don't you? |
| 10:50.19 | Adriano | in any case |
| 10:50.34 | Deepa | always carry a case of backups |
| 10:51.03 | diilbertAtWork | One server was built and the others were replicated from that server... I am going to try pulling the getopt off another one |
| 10:51.25 | diilbertAtWork | And there are data backups, other then that we have an admin who takes care of that |
| 10:51.53 | azeem | diilbertAtWork: look, if util-linux is missing you have bigger problems than getopt not being around |
| 10:52.11 | azeem | diilbertAtWork: does `dmesg' work? |
| 10:52.34 | diilbertAtWork | no |
| 10:52.54 | azeem | so try to get util-linux installed first then |
| 10:53.04 | azeem | but really, what's the use if this server is FUBAR? |
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| 10:54.17 | Adriano | diilbertAtWork: document all of the things you are about to do |
| 10:55.01 | diilbertAtWork | Adriano: I copied over getopt and the packages installed... but util-linux is still failing |
| 10:55.26 | Adriano | no, I mean to write down all you had to do to solve this |
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| 10:56.08 | Adriano | if someone's so clever as to run unstable on a production server, you want to protect yourself when cleaning up their mess |
| 10:56.20 | azeem | it's the backup server |
| 10:56.31 | xand | backups are kinda important |
| 10:56.51 | petemc | platitudes arent really useful |
| 10:57.10 | diilbertAtWork | No kidding |
| 10:57.24 | diilbertAtWork | Thanks. |
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| 11:15.54 | edistar | is there an easy virtualization program that can emulate an OS? I would need to be able to install the OS by cd and it needs to be a protected env.. |
| 11:16.04 | edistar | like vmware, only OSS |
| 11:16.18 | dark_wise | qamu, try it |
| 11:16.51 | edistar | dark_wise: qamu or qemu? |
| 11:17.01 | Coweater | qemu, bochs |
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| 11:17.03 | dark_wise | yes sorry, qemu |
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| 11:20.07 | jelly-home | the "easy" part is debatable |
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| 11:25.22 | xored`off | how would i monitor the load of the mysql server with munin-node ? |
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| 11:29.59 | tsimmes | Hey, when I run bzflag I get the error "Segmentation fault", what can I do? |
| 11:30.11 | edistar | tsimmes: reinstall drivers |
| 11:31.21 | tsimmes | edistar, ok I'll try |
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| 11:34.41 | urv | ls |
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| 11:36.12 | tsimmes | I Installed the driver again and it didn't help |
| 11:37.02 | cast | xored`off: you would google, and discover that theres a large collection of user created plugins on a website somewhere, some of which deal with mysql. you would then either use one of them, or google again, this time for writing munin-node plugins, and write your own |
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| 11:39.49 | xored`off | cast: sorry, I will look that up, thank you |
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| 11:41.04 | cast | xored`off: dpkg -L munin-node|grep ^/usr/share/munin/plugins/mysql |
| 11:41.08 | cast | as well ;) |
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| 11:41.41 | |DuReX| | http://users.telenet.be/dupondje/error.txt <- any id how i can fix this ? pc is crashing like every week :( its getting anoying, and i'm unable to fix it :( |
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| 11:45.42 | fasta | |DuReX|: sounds lke something you should report |
| 11:45.57 | fasta | |DuReX|: reportbug or Linux kernel mailing list |
| 11:46.27 | fasta | |DuReX|: could also be bad hardware |
| 11:46.47 | |DuReX| | isn't it the module that is crashing ? |
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| 11:47.30 | rmrfchik | i'm trying to start tomcat5.5. |
| 11:47.41 | rmrfchik | /etc/init.d/tomcat5.5 start |
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| 11:48.09 | rmrfchik | Starting Tomcat servlet engine: tomcat5.5. |
| 11:48.22 | rmrfchik | but tomcat5.5 is not started |
| 11:48.33 | rmrfchik | only jsvc process is in memory |
| 11:48.36 | rmrfchik | no logs |
| 11:48.46 | rmrfchik | no .pid file |
| 11:48.52 | rmrfchik | any ideas? |
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| 11:50.44 | micky | hello, i'm trying to setup traffic shaping using htb.init and it seems i succedeed in shaping dowload speeds but not upload ones, could you give some pointers ? my htb.init config files can be found at http://permhost.com/htb/ |
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| 11:51.08 | rossMoHaX | I've both cdrom and debian.org in sources list. How to temporary prevent apt from seeking cdrom when I install package? |
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| 11:51.40 | fasta | |DuReX|: yes, the problem seems to be in xfs, but since xfs is included in the kernel, but it might be that there is a specific mailing list for xfs. |
| 11:51.42 | micky | rossMoHaX edit /etc/apt/sources.list and put a # in front of the cd-rom line ( usually the 3rd line) |
| 11:52.05 | rossMoHaX | micky, if I uncomment it later do I need to do apt-get update again? |
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| 11:53.15 | micky | rossMoHaX no aptitude update is not required |
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| 11:53.22 | magnet_ | hi |
| 11:53.27 | micky | rossMoHaX no idea about apt tho |
| 11:53.39 | jaimelepinard | http://pinaroland.miniville.fr/ |
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| 11:53.43 | jaimelepinard | http://pinaroland.miniville.fr/ |
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| 11:53.51 | magnet_ | pft |
| 11:54.29 | cartesian1984 | Where would I find netinet/protocols.h? In what debian package? |
| 11:54.50 | magnet_ | I got some strange behaviors from pure-ftpd with mysql on debian stable, can somebody help me please ? |
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| 11:56.02 | |DuReX| | fasta: 2) NO BINARY MODULES or other tainted kernels. Do not file bugs here if you have any binary kernel modules loaded, reproduce without that module first. |
| 11:56.02 | |DuReX| | NVIDIA users - THIS MEANS YOU! |
| 11:56.53 | fasta | |DuReX|: switch to the nv driver and wait for it to crash again |
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| 11:57.09 | |DuReX| | its not nv (nvidia) |
| 11:57.13 | |DuReX| | its mv (marvell) |
| 11:57.13 | fasta | |DuReX|: then you can get "support" again |
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| 11:57.17 | |DuReX| | and the marvell doesn't work |
| 11:57.22 | fasta | |DuReX|: ok |
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| 11:57.43 | fasta | |DuReX|: There are drivers for marvell in the kernel |
| 11:57.44 | marc_ | cartesian1984: use apt-file search <filename> |
| 11:57.50 | fasta | |DuReX|: I am using one. |
| 11:58.01 | |DuReX| | i know fasta, but they seems not working :( |
| 11:58.04 | cartesian1984 | marc_: thanks. |
| 11:58.08 | fasta | |DuReX|: That's odd. |
| 11:58.16 | fasta | |DuReX|: Then you should report that. |
| 11:58.29 | js_ | what's a good system for notifying me about who has logged on to my machine and stuff like that? |
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| 11:58.44 | fasta | |DuReX|: It doesn't solve your immediate problem, but you reporting it makes life easier for everyone. |
| 11:58.52 | fasta | |DuReX|: imagine everyone doing that. |
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| 11:59.10 | |DuReX| | i know! having this prob for almost a year now :( |
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| 11:59.18 | |DuReX| | mailed highpoint with debug etc |
| 11:59.22 | |DuReX| | they never fixxed it :( |
| 11:59.27 | fasta | |DuReX|: highpoint? |
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| 11:59.38 | fasta | |DuReX|: who/what is that? |
| 11:59.41 | |DuReX| | Modules linked in: hptmv6(P) |
| 11:59.42 | |DuReX| | ... |
| 11:59.56 | |DuReX| | its a driver for my highpoint raid controller ... |
| 11:59.56 | |DuReX| | :p |
| 11:59.57 | |DuReX| | lol |
| 12:00.29 | fasta | |DuReX|: You lost me. |
| 12:00.40 | cartesian1984 | marc_: oh, wait, does that still work if I don't have the package installed? |
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| 12:04.15 | wathek | hello all I need some help I'm trying to configure a wireless network between a Debian server and a Windows Client the wifi cards are working in both Debian and Windows Box |
| 12:04.31 | wathek | but when I try to ping I get no answer |
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| 12:05.37 | wathek | the IP of Debian box is 192.168.0.1 and the one of the windows box is 192.168.0.2 it's an Ad-Hoc network the windows can connect to the network but I don't see why I can't ping |
| 12:06.05 | wols_ | wathek: what port(s) are open on the debian side? |
| 12:06.19 | wathek | wols_: there is no firewall |
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| 12:06.34 | wathek | neither is Debian nor in Windows |
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| 12:06.57 | wols_ | wathek: that is not what I asked you |
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| 12:07.03 | wathek | ? |
| 12:07.17 | wathek | the ports I can past the result of netstat -a in the pastebin ? |
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| 12:09.57 | Absolute0 | is there any "mac dock clone" pkg available for debian? |
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| 12:10.24 | edistar | Hey, I want to automatically install programs on different pcs, is there a tool to do that kind of thing? |
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| 12:10.59 | wols_ | !fai |
| 12:11.00 | dpkg | i heard fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 12:11.29 | Absolute0 | edistar: you can just schedule cron jobs... |
| 12:11.34 | edistar | wols_: thx |
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| 12:13.16 | metbsd | where do debian store eth* config file? |
| 12:13.32 | |DuReX| | /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:13.58 | fasta | Where is openpgp packaged in Debian? |
| 12:14.02 | fasta | Or isn't it? |
| 12:14.12 | wols_ | fasta: it's not |
| 12:14.21 | vorpal | last time i looked at fai, it was a monstrosity, to put it mildly |
| 12:14.24 | cast_ | fasta: its a standard not a program |
| 12:14.29 | mutante | gnupg is |
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| 12:16.54 | fasta | cast_: ok, well, there are reference implementations of it, but never mind. |
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| 12:18.36 | fasta | Better question: is there software for bulk generation (10,000 or so) of 512 bit prime numbers? |
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| 12:18.45 | fasta | (random, that is) |
| 12:19.00 | andreav | Absolute0: there's an ITP avant: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=428246 |
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| 12:22.24 | Frozen | Hey all, I'm having trouble mounting my cdrom on a new debian etch install. The /dev/cdrom doesn't exist and /dev/hdb or /dev/hdc is non existant. My HDD's are connected by SATA and CDROM by IDE |
| 12:22.37 | Frozen | any ideas what to do or what to mount? |
| 12:22.53 | _RedShift_ | Is your CDROM on IDE primary master? |
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| 12:23.33 | Frozen | think so |
| 12:23.45 | Frozen | its recognised by bios because i could install debian from the same cdrom drive just fine |
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| 12:23.49 | _RedShift_ | Try /dev/hda |
| 12:23.56 | Frozen | i already did |
| 12:24.00 | Frozen | hda is the hdd |
| 12:24.13 | Frozen | i could check the jumpers to check if its indeed primary master |
| 12:24.15 | _RedShift_ | You said that your hard drives were SATA. |
| 12:24.19 | Frozen | they are |
| 12:24.26 | _RedShift_ | If that's true, then they're SDA, SDB, etc. |
| 12:24.33 | Frozen | sorry |
| 12:24.33 | _RedShift_ | SATA is connected via the SCSI layer. |
| 12:24.33 | Frozen | sda |
| 12:24.35 | Frozen | indeed |
| 12:24.38 | _RedShift_ | Then try HDA. |
| 12:24.44 | _RedShift_ | HDA = IDE primary master. |
| 12:25.02 | Frozen | special device hda doesnt exist |
| 12:25.09 | Frozen | :/ |
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| 12:25.25 | _RedShift_ | Try /dev/cdrom |
| 12:25.34 | Frozen | also non existant |
| 12:25.58 | _RedShift_ | Try rebooting. |
| 12:26.05 | Frozen | ls: /dev/hd*: No such file or directory |
| 12:26.06 | _RedShift_ | It might not have populated /dev correctly. |
| 12:26.15 | Frozen | already rebooted twice |
| 12:26.23 | Frozen | ill check that jumper on the back of the cdrom drive |
| 12:26.25 | Penix | udev handles that |
| 12:26.30 | Penix | you don't have to reboot |
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| 12:27.04 | Frozen | in /etc/fstab it has /dev/hda with mount point /media/cdrom0 |
| 12:27.19 | Frozen | but in /dev there is no hda |
| 12:27.22 | dylan` | Anybody know how to get emacs-w3m to use cookies? |
| 12:27.54 | Penix | Frozen: lsmod |grep ide |
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| 12:28.33 | Penix | Frozen: and also, dmesg |grep hd (or IDE etc.) |
| 12:28.56 | Frozen | Penix: grep ide outputs ide_core |
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| 12:29.28 | Penix | Frozen: what about dmesg? is there an ide controller mentioned, or any drives? |
| 12:29.35 | Frozen | i checked, couldnt find any |
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| 12:29.45 | Frozen | only read something about an ATA controller |
| 12:29.56 | Frozen | dmesg has "Unable to identify CD-ROM format" in it |
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| 12:30.40 | Frozen | and "Uniform multi-platform E-IDE driver revision: 7.00alpha2" |
| 12:30.49 | RvGaTe | cool... since when has pidgin been added to lenny ? |
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| 12:31.13 | bmc | RvGaTe: sometime after Etch released ;-) |
| 12:31.22 | RvGaTe | bmc, o'rly? :P |
| 12:31.23 | Penix | Frozen: what about after that? if it's detected and initialized the controller, it'll mention it there |
| 12:31.30 | bmc | heh |
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| 12:32.00 | Penix | Frozen: should see something along the lines of: VP_IDE: VIA vt8235 (rev 00) IDE UDMA133 controller on pci0000:00:11.1 |
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| 12:32.22 | Penix | Frozen: but for your particular chip ofcourse |
| 12:32.42 | Frozen | after the uniform dirver bit it says Assuming 33Mhz system bus speed |
| 12:32.49 | Frozen | then some ACPI: PCI interrupt messages |
| 12:33.03 | Frozen | and then some messages about SCSI sda |
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| 12:33.43 | Frozen | so no messages about hda devices at all |
| 12:33.53 | Frozen | oh and it also metnions the 1394 firewire device |
| 12:34.16 | Frozen | weird huh |
| 12:34.44 | Penix | Frozen: I'm guessing if the controller is actually enabled in the bios, the driver for it is just not being loaded perhaps |
| 12:34.50 | apk | Does it hurt anything to unplug (from the USB hub) a USB mass storage device that is mounted read-only? |
| 12:35.01 | Penix | I have no experience with sata, but maybe ther ide driver is in an initrd and not being loaded for some reason |
| 12:35.10 | Penix | s/ther/the/ |
| 12:35.21 | Frozen | its a nVidia nForce 630A chipset |
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| 12:36.34 | tralala | apk, any processes that might be accessing files on this device |
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| 12:37.58 | apk | tralala: There are none. |
| 12:38.10 | tralala | it should be fine then |
| 12:38.40 | Penix | Frozen: try modprobe amd74xx |
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| 12:39.12 | Penix | Frozen: then check dmesg's output |
| 12:41.30 | Frozen | 1sec |
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| 12:45.43 | lrpcub | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.06 | Penix | lrpcub: a what rule? |
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| 12:46.42 | kexman | hi |
| 12:46.47 | arroda | hi, highlight (source code colorizer) is coredumping sice I switched to etch, any clue ? |
| 12:47.02 | kexman | can anyone tell me which switches are the most reliable / best :) make / model ? |
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| 12:47.26 | wols_ | kexman: no. you are in the wrong channel |
| 12:47.35 | cartesian1984 | Apparently, I'm allergic to potato chips. |
| 12:47.46 | kexman | wols_: well maybe there are a couple of netadmins around who could tell me they're opinion |
| 12:47.51 | Frozen | penix, makes no difference |
| 12:47.55 | kexman | i didnt came to this channel by misstake :) |
| 12:47.58 | wols_ | kexman: you are still OT. now go away |
| 12:48.01 | pourriture | I am shopping for a VPS provider that is debian friendly. The big names like godaddy and 1and1 etc seem to use fedora and/cent ... I have found several providers that offer debian VPS, but am not familiar with their reputations. Can anyone offer me thier experience? |
| 12:48.02 | kexman | pfff |
| 12:48.04 | kexman | whatever |
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| 12:48.12 | Penix | Frozen: try the same thing again with modprobe ide-generic |
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| 12:48.30 | wols_ | Penix: #web or something like that |
| 12:48.42 | wols_ | oops. |
| 12:48.45 | wols_ | pourriture: ^^ |
| 12:48.50 | lrpcub | a dont know |
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| 12:49.07 | Frozen | penix, today you're my hero |
| 12:49.08 | Frozen | heh |
| 12:49.09 | Frozen | hda detected |
| 12:49.18 | Frozen | thx |
| 12:49.22 | Penix | Frozen: that'll atleast get you basic support without dma |
| 12:49.24 | lrpcub | thats what i am asking because the .forward alias in the home user is not working or i have the wrong script |
| 12:49.49 | Penix | Frozen: try to find out the exact type of ide chipset you have and look up the proper driver. should be a bit faster |
| 12:50.05 | lrpcub | Penix: thats what i am asking because the .forward alias in the home user is not working or i have the wrong script |
| 12:50.08 | Penix | although, I suppose it's only for a cd drive |
| 12:50.10 | Frozen | ill look into it, thanks |
| 12:50.12 | lrpcub | understand my friends? |
| 12:50.20 | Frozen | i probably wont be using the cdrom much after this initial install |
| 12:50.31 | pourriture | wols_: are you suggesting that I ask in #web? Or is that the name of a vps provider? |
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| 12:51.29 | arroda | anyone using highlight as a less preprocessor in debian etch ? |
| 12:52.28 | floe | hi all. I try to get my bluetooth headset working with alsa-bluetooth, scoflowcontrolpatch-4.x and kernel 2.6.21. Even though I applied the patch my box crashes when using aplay... anyone got that working? Any hints? |
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| 12:58.23 | wathek | wols_: any idea on how to solve my wifi prob ? |
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| 13:01.49 | mancubus | Does anyone know how write in file SSH output? I have read man, but didn't find needed option |
| 13:02.37 | themill | mancubus: script is probably what you are looking for |
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| 13:03.27 | mancubus | themill, Hmm... Thank you this is not what I want. Do you think ssh client can't write such file? |
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| 13:04.00 | themill | mancubus: what do you want in the output file? |
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| 13:04.31 | mancubus | themill, output(log) of SSH session. |
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| 13:05.11 | themill | mancubus: as in the commands that were typed and the output of the commands? |
| 13:05.36 | mancubus | themill, exactly |
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| 13:06.17 | themill | mancubus: the the command "script" will do that nicely for you. script logfile.txt; ssh thehost |
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| 13:07.04 | busfahrer | Has there been a change in sid not to contain aptitude anymore? |
| 13:07.44 | fasta | busfahrer: improbable, but the one from experimental works a lot better |
| 13:08.21 | busfahrer | fasta, the question should perhaps be, did aptitude belong to the base system some weeks back |
| 13:08.36 | fasta | busfahrer: I think so, yes |
| 13:09.15 | busfahrer | Because my sid system removed aptitude a while back during apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 13:09.38 | fasta | busfahrer: I don't know why it did that. |
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| 13:09.49 | flami | sid now has apt-get with the same dependecy management as aptitude. |
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| 13:09.56 | themill | mancubus: does that work for you? |
| 13:10.23 | mancubus | themill, thank you. But command like script -c 'ssh thehost' kkkk doesn't work =( |
| 13:11.14 | hozomean | mancubus you could also use something like screen to log anything you do on a shell |
| 13:11.21 | mancubus | themill, I may use putty for log. But I want find solution on openssh client |
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| 13:11.33 | hozomean | if thats more intuitive |
| 13:11.50 | themill | mancubus: you don't need to use -c with it. Just issue the separate commands: script kkk; ssh myhost |
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| 13:12.13 | themill | mancubus: I know it works because I routinely use it :) |
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| 13:13.59 | mancubus | themill, I can't enter password in such command. I see prompt for enter password, but can't enter it. |
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| 13:15.18 | buscon | Hi, I need a tool for dowloading all the links of a internet site - what can I use? |
| 13:15.39 | mancubus | buscon, wget / wgetpro |
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| 13:16.31 | buscon | mancubus: I've already tried to read wget manual but no results |
| 13:16.50 | hozomean | mancubus: run screen |
| 13:17.02 | hozomean | once your in the screen session typ ctrl-c : |
| 13:17.06 | hozomean | and then type log |
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| 13:17.19 | hozomean | and it will log everything you do on that shell |
| 13:17.28 | mancubus | buscon, use recursive download |
| 13:17.42 | mancubus | hozomean, thnx. Let me try it =) |
| 13:17.53 | wols_ | wathek: tell me what I asked for |
| 13:18.21 | buscon | mancubus: but I don't want to download the html page, I need just the links of that internet site |
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| 13:19.58 | maddash | !vlc |
| 13:19.58 | dpkg | well, vlc is the VideoLAN Client. It's a MPEG2 client/server program for broadcasting. It can also be used standalone as an normal MPEG2/DVD player. See http://www.videolan.org, or apt-gettable. |
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| 13:21.36 | jazbo2185 | Is it possible to determine that date that an item was added to an rss feed? |
| 13:21.54 | wathek | wols_: the ports that are opened are http, ssh, |
| 13:22.17 | wathek | nfs |
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| 13:23.20 | mancubus | Thank all who help with SSH logging. I'll use putty with standard logging function =) |
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| 13:23.50 | Noborusan | Im so pissed :( |
| 13:24.03 | maddash | why is vlc absent from the testing repository? |
| 13:24.19 | stew | maddash: probably bumped out for a library transition |
| 13:24.25 | Noborusan | when i was trying to install sarge on my server,it says many files are corrupt |
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| 13:24.37 | maddash | er, wtf? now what? |
| 13:24.38 | Noborusan | even the base system and kernel image |
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| 13:24.55 | streuner | maddash: use xine |
| 13:24.55 | stew | maddash: to figure out when it might return: /msg dpkg why is vlc not in testing |
| 13:24.58 | Noborusan | i think i should reburn it ? |
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| 13:25.20 | greatme | is there any good documentation on modutils? |
| 13:25.56 | greatme | for some reason my sound-card moule does not load automatically |
| 13:26.15 | Penix | greatme: why modutils? are you using a 2.4 kernel? |
| 13:26.19 | streuner | greatme: cat /proc/version |
| 13:26.20 | maddash | hm, maybe i'll go back to ubuntu |
| 13:26.24 | stew | maddash: yeah, its probably caught up in the flac transition |
| 13:26.30 | greatme | 2.6 kernel |
| 13:26.30 | abrotman | yay! |
| 13:26.32 | wols_ | wathek: telnet <debian ip> 80 |
| 13:26.36 | streuner | yeah!! |
| 13:26.45 | abrotman | stew: it's held back by *tons* of stuff |
| 13:26.49 | jazbo2185 | vlc aint so great anyway |
| 13:26.56 | jazbo2185 | xine |
| 13:27.20 | stew | abrotman: yeah, i'm jut saying flac is probably why it was bounced out of testing in the first place |
| 13:27.38 | Penix | greatme: modutils is for 2.4 module-init-tools is for 2.6. as for your sound module; easiest way is to add it to /etc/modules |
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| 13:28.00 | themill | mancubus: sorry -- was away for a while. When I use script then ssh I get a passwd prompt and can type it in without any problems. |
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| 13:29.17 | jazbo2185 | what is a .mk4 file? |
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| 13:29.40 | merc_work | damnit, last update b0rked my mail system up |
| 13:29.52 | wathek | wols_: doesn't work |
| 13:30.04 | merc_work | cant get mail via thunderbird, only when i log in to console and use 'mail' |
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| 13:30.24 | greatme | Actually, my problem is that alsaconf fails to load the sound driver, but "modprobe snd-hda-intel" works |
| 13:30.25 | mancubus | themill, script test ; ssh 192.168.100.129 Script started, file is test And no any prompt |
| 13:32.59 | themill | mancubus: how odd... just tried it and it works for me. Are you running etch? |
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| 13:33.50 | mancubus | themill, No I'm on unstable release. |
| 13:34.32 | mancubus | themill, script from util-linux-2.12r |
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| 13:35.38 | rossMoHaX | how to make _remote_ port forwarding using ssh? |
| 13:36.02 | rossMoHaX | I'd like to forward port from ssh server to client |
| 13:36.08 | themill | mancubus: Ahh.... I vaguely remember something about a recent-ish ssh change about prompting for passwords when not in an interactive tty |
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| 13:38.32 | mancubus | themill, thank you for help. I done with it. I need script test.log & ssh thehost works. Thank again |
| 13:39.04 | themill | mancubus: no probs. glad you got there in the end |
| 13:39.08 | mancubus | themill, Another point it's start new terminal with script and try establish connection. |
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| 13:40.16 | solemnwarning | Is intel PRO/100 ethernet supported? |
| 13:40.37 | Arafangion | solemnwarning: It works. |
| 13:40.45 | solemnwarning | thanks |
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| 13:41.08 | Arafangion | solemnwarning: But if for some reason it breaks down for you, we're not going to spend a huge amount of time, so hence is probably "unsupported". |
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| 13:41.19 | Arafangion | solemnwarning: But it works quite well :) |
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| 13:41.26 | solemnwarning | ^^ |
| 13:41.40 | Kate|work | What works well? |
| 13:41.41 | Kate|work | =P |
| 13:41.49 | solemnwarning | It's a better card then an RTL, right? |
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| 13:41.55 | Arafangion | solemnwarning: Not sure.] |
| 13:42.12 | themill | mancubus: duh.... your last comment makes sense of it all for me.... the commands for script and ssh need to be typed one after... ; will not work in this case. |
| 13:42.18 | Blackvel | hi. does anyone use qpopper or some similar pop3-server? I have the problem that email from 2006 gets resent every time I poll for messages. Any idea? |
| 13:42.39 | Arafangion | Blackvel: Never had that problem. |
| 13:42.54 | themill | Blackvel: sounds like your mail client misbehaving |
| 13:42.56 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: Works as well as anything for me (this box has 3) |
| 13:42.58 | Noborusan | The installer says : blah blah.deb on cdrom is corrupt,does this definitely mean the file on CD is bad in physically ? |
| 13:43.09 | Blackvel | isn't the message in the mailbox file be tagged as downloaded? |
| 13:43.10 | mancubus | themill, script crates new tty as I understand... |
| 13:43.28 | Blackvel | what is the name of the tag in the message file? Maybe I could check if it is corrupted? |
| 13:43.29 | wathek | wols_: it doesn't work telnet |
| 13:43.50 | mancubus | themill, No... I'm wrong |
| 13:43.58 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: Its the newer ones that are not fully supported (with the coprocessors on them) |
| 13:44.23 | themill | mancubus: yep, you're spot on. that's why they have to be typed in one after the other rather than being run on the same command line. Otherwise, the ssh command is run by the original shell not by the script-captured shell. |
| 13:44.27 | mancubus | themill, enter "script test" and look at TTY with "who" command |
| 13:44.42 | Blackvel | themill: just outlook 2003, just pop3. didn't have the problem until this afternoon |
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| 13:45.00 | Blackvel | mail from 2007 doesn't get sent. so this is realy weird |
| 13:45.04 | Blackvel | really |
| 13:45.28 | themill | Blackvel: Are you sending through pop? (hence using qpopper) |
| 13:46.03 | mancubus | themill, however. Thank for help =) I need make note, before I'll forget about it =))))) |
| 13:46.21 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: or even some of the older ones (PRO/100S) |
| 13:46.29 | themill | mancubus: no problems. Glad to be of assistance... and learnt something myself too :) |
| 13:46.38 | Dharmesh | My debian system is randomly killing some process and gives message like "Out of Memory: Killed process 3549 (havp)." Can anyone give solution?? |
| 13:46.45 | Blackvel | themill: right |
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| 13:47.14 | Blackvel | themill: postfix writes mail into mailbox file and qpopper sends it to outlook |
| 13:47.15 | psyco-obiwan | Dharmesh: Not enough memory for havp and clamav ? |
| 13:47.45 | Blackvel | unfortunately I do know too less from pop3 and content of emails in mailbox files |
| 13:47.57 | themill | Blackvel: then my assumption would be that LookOut is trying to send things out of the outbox queue (whatever that's called). qpopper has to be fed the emails by something... |
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| 13:48.52 | Dharmesh | I am getting such errors today only, earlier it killed the snort process repeatedly. |
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| 13:49.30 | psyco-obiwan | check "free" and "top" to see if you have runaway processes eating up mem. You can sort by mem usage in top by pressing M |
| 13:49.43 | themill | Blackvel: I don't use qpopper any more, but it does log sending messages to IIRC. |
| 13:50.03 | Blackvel | themill: no emails in outbox queue in outlook |
| 13:50.13 | psyco-obiwan | Dharmesh: havp scanning some large files might quite use memory, maybe somebody inhouse doing excessive downloading over havp |
| 13:50.15 | Blackvel | it only sends me messages I received in 2006 yet |
| 13:50.21 | Kobaz | or enable nifty color mode with z and use the <> keys to sort by the column of choice |
| 13:50.26 | Blackvel | well not only, also new messages from today |
| 13:50.46 | themill | Blackvel: ahh... you're receiving mail again. Sorry, I figured you were sending mail again. |
| 13:51.08 | Blackvel | sorry my email is not that good :) |
| 13:51.12 | Blackvel | my english |
| 13:51.20 | themill | Blackvel: np. |
| 13:51.21 | Blackvel | jupp |
| 13:51.35 | Blackvel | mail doesn't get deleted in the mailbox file (configured it in that way) |
| 13:52.02 | themill | Blackvel: you're mbox on the server must be pretty huge then. Popping must take ages! |
| 13:52.07 | Blackvel | have all mails in outlook yet (from 2006) and suddenly today qpopper re-transmits those old emails so i recieve all 230 emails again :( |
| 13:52.13 | themill | Blackvel: s/your're/your |
| 13:52.18 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: iirc POP3 servers do not keep track of unread and read messages, that is the job of the pop3 client |
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| 13:52.37 | Blackvel | ah |
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| 13:52.42 | Blackvel | well yes, its 45MB |
| 13:52.51 | Blackvel | but usually popping is quite hugh. |
| 13:52.53 | themill | Blackvel, psyco-obiwan: that sounds familiar. |
| 13:52.57 | CaptSolo | what's the quickest way to install Java 1.5 on Debian stable? |
| 13:53.02 | psyco-obiwan | thats your outlook that messed up, also many pop server have feature to renumber messages to make life harder for clients leaving their mail on the server |
| 13:53.05 | Blackvel | so suddenly a bug with outloo? |
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| 13:53.24 | psyco-obiwan | outlook has many bugs ;-) maybe you just experienced them yet ;-) |
| 13:53.25 | CaptSolo | some FAQs say start with "apt-get install java-package", but well - the package not found |
| 13:53.31 | themill | Blackvel, psyco-obiwan: the pop server will keep track of new/old and the client will track seen/unseen. it's a complicated arrangement.... |
| 13:53.37 | merc_work | is there a way to figure out what files an upgrade might have changed? -- my spamassassin(i think its spamassassin), is not delivering to /var/mail instead of Maildir |
| 13:53.44 | Fraen | hello |
| 13:53.46 | merc_work | s/not/now/ |
| 13:53.48 | psyco-obiwan | try another pop3 client to access your mailbox and you'll see something different im sure |
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| 13:54.05 | Blackvel | how does the pop server track of new/old? |
| 13:54.13 | Blackvel | is there any flag per msg in the mailbox file? |
| 13:54.27 | themill | Blackvel: I believe so. Haven't used pop in a long time though |
| 13:54.28 | erik | I have etch installed and try to get my Canon iP4200 printer working.I downloaded stuff from the Canon site for Linux and installed the "printer filter". No printing however... what do I do with the HP stuff that came with etch ? do I do anything with cups ? ( there is no cups daemon... etc... may questions... |
| 13:55.06 | azeem | erik: installing cups looks like a good idea, did you check www.linuxprinting.org? |
| 13:55.10 | Fraen | as I see, service management under debian is ugly and complicated. How can I see what service is running, for example samba? Under gentoo for example I do "rc-update samba status" and under pclinuxos I do "service smb status". How can I do it under debian? |
| 13:55.12 | Blackvel | may the cause of the error reaching a 45MB file limit? |
| 13:55.22 | Blackvel | just an idea |
| 13:55.28 | Noborusan | I hate it that i plan to buy a cd/dvd burner just to burn a sarge install CD :( |
| 13:55.39 | azeem | Fraen: services who have a S* link in your current runlevel should be running |
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| 13:57.20 | themill | psyco-obiwan: there's a lot that some pop clients and servers do that won't be covered in the rfc.... qpopper in particular has lots of eudora extensions |
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| 13:57.46 | cast | $KEYSCRIPT $key <&1 | $CRYPTCMD $PARAMS luksOpen $src $dst <--so what does <&1 do? |
| 13:58.05 | Fraen | azeem, well, suppose that I am a dumbass and I do not want do do ps aux | grep smbd nmbd. I just want with a command be able to add/remove services to runlevel, start, stop, restart or watch status. I do not want to run ofuscated commands like update-rd.c that seem quite unwritable and hard to remmember. |
| 13:58.27 | Fraen | *update-rc.d |
| 13:58.32 | azeem | Fraen: you can maintain the links manually as well, if you like |
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| 13:59.26 | erik | azeem: I just did: not much help... I did install the Canon stuff... but apparently, more i needed... should I see the cupsd daemon in ps aux ? |
| 13:59.29 | Fraen | azeem, it is quite complicated for one that comes from ubuntu. I want to propose that services management under debian/ubuntu is not well integrated and is hard to avhieve mantainement. |
| 14:00.01 | azeem | Fraen: how is that a proposal? It's a statement. |
| 14:00.21 | Dharmesh | psyco-obiwan: I monitored memory thru free and top. Only 2 Mb of memory is free out of 256 and really some of the process are consuming unusually large memory, I am checking for that. However I am the only person using my web proxy. |
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| 14:00.44 | azeem | if you're running a Samba server and don't know whether Samba is running or not, I'm not sure better tools will be of much help |
| 14:00.47 | Fraen | azeem, well, that is unilateral does not mean that is a proposal :P |
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| 14:01.09 | psyco-obiwan | Dharmesh: from what you named , havp and snort 256MB maybe not enough..maybe increase swap as temporary measure |
| 14:01.16 | Fraen | azeem, how could I know what services are runnin and what not of the ones present in init.d? |
| 14:01.28 | Blackvel | themill: what do you think will be more likely? corrupted mail file, bug in qpopper, bug in outlook 2003 which suddenly shows up? |
| 14:01.32 | Fraen | I cannot do /etc/init.d/samba status |
| 14:01.39 | azeem | 15:54 < azeem> Fraen: services who have a S* link in your current runlevel should be running |
| 14:01.44 | azeem | s/who/which/ |
| 14:01.48 | psyco-obiwan | themill: I stay with my argument: POP3 do not store read/unread status, at least my qpopper does not. Clients identify messages by the generated UIDL of the pop3 server. |
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| 14:02.00 | Dharmesh | psyco-obiwan:I do not have swap partition, and I was not facing such problem earlier... |
| 14:02.17 | Blackvel | as each time it downloads those 230 messages from the server. read/unread does not make any difference |
| 14:02.25 | wathek | any one could help me with my wifi I'm trying to configure an Ad Hoc network between 2 computers the network works but I can't ping ! |
| 14:02.34 | psyco-obiwan | Dharmesh: ohh...install one with 256MB ram only would be my advice, thats quite tight |
| 14:02.41 | WaxyFres1 | why does debian use iceweasle instead of FF? |
| 14:02.52 | bmc | azeem, i think Fraen is looking for some kind of task-specific shell for system services management |
| 14:02.58 | Fraen | azeem, and why decided debian people that does not belong to the init script itself, and using instead a bunch of commands to do one thing that could be clearly done in one |
| 14:03.04 | WaxyFres1 | and whats the diffrence inbetween the two?^^^ |
| 14:03.13 | Blackvel | psyco-obiwan: but UIDL's in the message file are not likely to change from one day to another? |
| 14:03.18 | azeem | Fraen: I'm not sure what you're talking about |
| 14:03.28 | Fraen | bmc, no, I think that is too way complicated service management under debian |
| 14:03.28 | themill | psyco-obiwan: hmmm... I remember when I was using both Eudora+qpopper and pine+mailspool that I could tell which messages had been read by the other method. Must have been some marker in the mailspool to do that. Perhaps configurable? |
| 14:03.32 | azeem | Fraen: anyway, I don't think complaining in here will help in any way. |
| 14:03.37 | bmc | Fraen: that's what i'm saying. |
| 14:03.47 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: telnet to port 110 of the server, login with "user <yourusername>" "pass <yourpass>" and then send the command retr 1 to display the first msg in the box. Check the line with UIDL in the header, write it down, quit and repeat the procedure and compare both UIDL |
| 14:03.50 | flami | a |
| 14:03.52 | Dharmesh | psyco-obiwan: Then, should I create swap partition for that??? |
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| 14:04.00 | bmc | Fraen: you're looking for the "easy way" to manage your services right? |
| 14:04.02 | azeem | WaxyFres1: Iceweasel /is/ Firefox |
| 14:04.05 | Fraen | bmc I know |
| 14:04.08 | psyco-obiwan | themill: at least no feature of POP3 afaics |
| 14:04.19 | bmc | Fraen: like the Red Hat tools which do this? system-configure-services or whatever it is |
| 14:04.27 | Dharmesh | however time being I think restarting memory consuming processes should solve the problem... |
| 14:04.31 | themill | Blackvel: can't really take a guess on where the problem lies. |
| 14:04.33 | bmc | Fraen: maybe Webmin, though I've seldom used it. |
| 14:04.36 | Fraen | bmc,yeah, something like that. Like services.msc in windows, you've got all the stull there |
| 14:04.37 | azeem | Fraen: upstart is available in experimental |
| 14:04.41 | psyco-obiwan | Dharmesh: that would be definitely a help, or put some more ram in, at least 128MB more...better go up to 512MB and have peace of mind |
| 14:04.49 | themill | Blackvel: psyco-obiwan seems to have the right idea here |
| 14:05.08 | Fraen | bmc webmin sucks and is poorly integrated with debian. Forget it. |
| 14:05.22 | bmc | Fraen: ok. i wouldn't know, i just use bash to do it. |
| 14:05.24 | WaxyFres1 | azeem but there difrent builds so something has to be diffrent right? |
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| 14:05.32 | valdyn | Dharmesh: no linux system will have free memory after some time running, beyond very few mb |
| 14:05.44 | valdyn | Dharmesh: that has yet nothing to do with memory being exhausted by programs |
| 14:05.57 | psyco-obiwan | modern pop3 servers have switches so that they generate new UIDLs on every connect and therefor force clients to redownload everything from new. That way they want to force the users to not leave the mail on the server. |
| 14:06.14 | JarJarBinks | dpkg: hurd |
| 14:06.14 | dpkg | hurd is, like, a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see http://hurd.gnu.org, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hurd on irc.freenode.net |
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| 14:06.29 | bmc | JarJarBinks: i wish |
| 14:06.45 | JarJarBinks | :) |
| 14:07.07 | Fraen | azeem, does upstart do what I am looking for? |
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| 14:07.27 | valdyn | Fraen: no |
| 14:07.34 | Fraen | allright |
| 14:07.35 | valdyn | Fraen: and its also not part of debian ( yet ) |
| 14:08.01 | themill | psyco-obiwan: nice touch... random UIDLs. Not sure how I was seeing state like that with pine vs eudora and the pop links.... All too long ago now and brings back all sorts of painful memories from when I was using some other obsolete operating system. |
| 14:08.14 | Bushmills | Dharmesh: what for do you want unused memory? |
| 14:08.50 | Bushmills | sounds to me like, putting it into the drawer rather than into the computer has the same effect |
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| 14:09.20 | bmc | JarJarBinks: Hurd does look seriously kick-arse. As far as I can tell it's just lacking in "nice" features and drivers. |
| 14:09.23 | Blackvel | themill, psyco-obiwan: thanks. trying my best to find the error. going to try to update to sp4 of outlook too. |
| 14:09.35 | Blackvel | to damn its my own companies bussiness mailbox |
| 14:09.48 | bmc | ie. completely unusable |
| 14:09.52 | Dharmesh | valdyn,psyco-obiwan: Then this problem is normal behaviour of the system after running continuously for long hours. Also I would like to know that how much swap I should allocate if I want make this system gateway for 5 to 7 other system?? |
| 14:09.56 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: does your server offer imap ? |
| 14:10.10 | valdyn | Dharmesh: zero |
| 14:10.19 | valdyn | Dharmesh: is it supposed to do anything else though? |
| 14:10.34 | psyco-obiwan | valdyn: ?? his programs report out of memory ?? |
| 14:11.06 | Dharmesh | ya programs reported that.. |
| 14:11.17 | valdyn | psyco-obiwan: he asked if he needs swap to use his box as a network router |
| 14:11.17 | Blackvel | psyco-obiwan: its my own vserver. i don't run a imap server on it yet |
| 14:11.17 | Blackvel | was afraid of all the time it will take me. but maybe I should switch |
| 14:11.50 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: its worth it if you want to leave your mail on the server and it solves all the probs you have now and you can use your existing mailbox if you use i.e. uw-imap |
| 14:12.31 | psyco-obiwan | valdyn: he runs havp antivirus web proxy that calls clamav and also snort on the box with 256MB and no swap, that really is a warranty for probs |
| 14:12.44 | Blackvel | at least its no 5 minute switch |
| 14:12.53 | valdyn | psyco-obiwan: very true |
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| 14:13.02 | Blackvel | have to get a webinterface like squirrelmail or better running on server too :) |
| 14:13.06 | Blackvel | would hav |
| 14:13.09 | Blackvel | have |
| 14:13.18 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: if you're on debian, install the uw-imap package and you should be done... |
| 14:13.24 | JarJarBinks | bmc: at least it need to be installable without another OS i think |
| 14:13.32 | valdyn | Dharmesh: dont understand me wrong: processes being killed for memory exhaustion is a sign of issues. Ram being completely used is not at all. |
| 14:13.42 | JarJarBinks | bmc: just wanted to see how the progress was |
| 14:14.13 | psyco-obiwan | uw-imapd package maybe what you're looking for, its not the fastest imap server but it works with your mbox file |
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| 14:14.41 | valdyn | Dharmesh: and running snort is a huge amount of system load compared to jsut 'using the system as a gateway' |
| 14:15.11 | Blackvel | psyco-obiwan: thats a good tip |
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| 14:15.54 | themill | psyco-obiwan: nice ideas. might push a couple of my boxen in that direction too. |
| 14:15.54 | Blackvel | too bad. retr 1 returns me a long html jboss message. can't find UIDL in it as it scrolls out of my telnet buffer |
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| 14:16.13 | themill | Blackvel: dovecot can also do mbox files, I think |
| 14:16.22 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: also your mbox is probably not corrupted that gives different behaviour, caus the pop3 server parses the whole file upon connect and reports problems... |
| 14:16.34 | Dharmesh | valdyn: What kind of issue u r talking about?? ""Processes being killed for memory exhaustion is a sign of issues"" |
| 14:16.36 | psyco-obiwan | i heard a lot of good about dovecot but never used it myself yet |
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| 14:16.55 | valdyn | Dharmesh: the ones you're having |
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| 14:17.16 | Dharmesh | Oh!! |
| 14:17.18 | Arafangion | psyco-obiwan: dovecot is a nice, simple and easy to use server that's probably perfectly fine for small setups, though I'd like to benchmark and test it for larget setups, as it's relatively new. |
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| 14:17.57 | ci_omegadog | what do i add to my sources.list to get the most recent debs for everything? |
| 14:18.06 | psyco-obiwan | Arafangion: thx, well all mbox based imap server suffer from the fileformat at some time in scaling up, but mailspool for a handful of user is prolly overkill |
| 14:18.17 | Blackvel | but I still can't believe that qpopper sends all 1000 messages to outlook, really? |
| 14:18.41 | Blackvel | that means outlook would have to parse all messages and find the new ones |
| 14:18.45 | ci_omegadog | anyone here use apt? :) |
| 14:18.49 | Arafangion | Blackvel: It doesn't. |
| 14:18.49 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: your looking the wrong way at it, its not qpopper that sends the messages, its your outlook that fetches them... |
| 14:19.06 | Arafangion | ci_omegadog: Could you ask a more idiotic uestion? |
| 14:19.24 | Blackvel | psyco-obiwan: so instead of retr 1 outlook sends: retr 1200? |
| 14:19.31 | Arafangion | ci_omegadog: It's like walking to a crowded catholic church, and asking if anyone attends mass. |
| 14:19.32 | jazbo2185 | Arafangion: could you be more of an ass? |
| 14:19.40 | ci_omegadog | it was a joke. This is not an idiotic question: what do i add to my sources.list to get the most recent debs for everything? |
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| 14:20.04 | stew | ci_omegadog: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:20.05 | jazbo2185 | Arafangion: retracted, |
| 14:20.06 | Dharmesh | valdyn, psyco-obiwan: What I got from this chat is "I should create swap partition" and "should opt for system with more memory". Is it right |
| 14:20.09 | ci_omegadog | Etch |
| 14:20.09 | psyco-obiwan | no, it sends retr1, retr2, retr3 or prolly starts at the end with retr 1200 etc. but you get the idea. Try pop3 manually and you'll soon get an idea on how it works |
| 14:20.12 | wols_ | ci_omegadog: it IS an very dumb and idiotic question. and: try apt-spy |
| 14:20.16 | jazbo2185 | Arafangion: thought you were responding to his first question |
| 14:20.25 | valdyn | Dharmesh: right |
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| 14:20.31 | Arafangion | jazbo2185: My memory doesn't last that long. :( |
| 14:20.41 | psyco-obiwan | Dharmesh: in my book yes, i would go for both if you want to have more users using it. |
| 14:20.49 | stew | wols_: that is not helpful |
| 14:21.01 | psyco-obiwan | since a proxy swapping isnt really fun for the user using it ,) |
| 14:21.10 | stew | ci_omegadog: the recommended way to get more recent versions of packages onto stable would be to use backports /msg dpkg backports |
| 14:21.14 | valdyn | Dharmesh: however you dont even want to use swap. At least i cant imagine snort having to be swapped out not completely fucking your network performance |
| 14:21.34 | ci_omegadog | i thought this would be an easy question like etch main contrib non-free foo bar... |
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| 14:21.50 | Dharmesh | valdyn, psyco-obiwan: Currently my experimental system is running with 5 internal computers. And in future we are planning to provide system for about 100 computers... |
| 14:21.54 | psyco-obiwan | good point valdyn, once the boxes starts swapping your toasted anyway |
| 14:21.56 | ci_omegadog | stew: ty |
| 14:21.56 | valdyn | Dharmesh: some swap is better than no swap anyway |
| 14:22.30 | psyco-obiwan | Dharmesh: i installed a havp for about 250 seats lately, 4GB Ram and 4GB swap for safety... |
| 14:22.30 | valdyn | Dharmesh: quite irrelevant, more relevant is how much traffic snort will have to scan , and how you configure your snort |
| 14:22.36 | Dharmesh | At this moment how much swap is enough for the load of 7 computers??? |
| 14:23.05 | merc_work | is there a way to see what files a recent upgrade has changed? |
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| 14:23.12 | Blackvel | psyco-obiwan: xxx has 1203 visible messages (0 hidden) in 46411621 octets |
| 14:23.14 | psyco-obiwan | Dharmesh: swap is like it wont help you the box do more than it can with its memory, but once you run out of memory your i.e. sshd won't die and let you (slowly) log in and fix things |
| 14:23.18 | xand | grrrr |
| 14:23.49 | valdyn | Dharmesh: think traffic, not number of computers... |
| 14:23.51 | Blackvel | psyco-obiwan: does that mean that outlook parses 1203 messages all the time by retr 1, retr2, retr3, retr 1203? :) |
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| 14:24.22 | Dharmesh | Oh!! |
| 14:24.26 | stew | ci_omegadog: your other option would be to upgrade to testing, but testing will have lots of things broken/missing these days as major transitions are taking place |
| 14:24.33 | wols_ | Blackvel: if you don't delete them when fetching them, then yes |
| 14:25.04 | wols_ | merc_work: you can only check what packages you recently installed |
| 14:25.17 | Blackvel | wolfs_: right now I don'T |
| 14:25.17 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: I would kindly point to #outlook for this question ;-)) |
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| 14:25.22 | Blackvel | hehe |
| 14:25.24 | wols_ | merc_work: and then check what files are in that package |
| 14:25.55 | Blackvel | oh empty channel. i really know why I ask all those linux/pop3 questions in a linux channel :) |
| 14:25.58 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: did you ever try thunderbird, excuse me icedove as MUA ? |
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| 14:26.06 | Blackvel | not yet |
| 14:26.31 | Dharmesh | valdyn, obiwan: Currently we are using 256 kbps leased line, and it is used quite heavily among about 5 computers. How much swap partition would you suggest?? |
| 14:26.34 | wols_ | Blackvel: do you need a PIM or an email client? |
| 14:26.35 | Blackvel | outlook has a cool plugin, called business contact manager |
| 14:26.47 | Arafangion | Blackvel: YOu do realise that most clients will download all *unseen* messages. |
| 14:26.50 | Blackvel | helps me to organize some sales stuff |
| 14:27.08 | Arafangion | Blackvel: Maybe multiple times if it decides that it's list of message id's is out of date. |
| 14:28.05 | Blackvel | as performance has never been a real issue I expected that it always receives unseen messages |
| 14:28.19 | Blackvel | well, this only changed today hehe |
| 14:28.50 | Blackvel | Arafangion: right. it does this every time, even I got the same msg 10 times |
| 14:29.00 | Blackvel | .. before |
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| 14:29.30 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: install an imap daemon, you can still access you mbox via pop3 and you'll have your folders on the server usable even from a future webmail client.. |
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| 14:31.21 | Blackvel | looks like I have to do this |
| 14:31.22 | netiz | hi im working with debian and heartbeat i got the ip addr 192.168.1.71 (eth0) and for mcast i got : mcast 255.0.0.1 694 1 1 and i got a mcast error... how can i calculate a right mcast value then? |
| 14:33.35 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: at least give it a try, backup you mbox, even the install won't touch it, just to make sure, run apt-get install uw-imapd and you should be able to connect via pop3. Add an account in your evil mailreader and retrieve your inbox...thats it afaics |
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| 14:35.24 | Blackvel | btw, what does "Status: RO" mean in a msg in a mailbox file? |
| 14:35.42 | Blackvel | at least the UIDL stays the same |
| 14:35.54 | Blackvel | bbl |
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| 14:47.17 | ale5 | hello, can somebody tell me what is this ? http://pastebin.ca/604413 |
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| 14:50.58 | abrotman | ale5: that's a kernel oops |
| 14:51.56 | Binary | clear |
| 14:52.22 | Binary | dpkg help |
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| 14:53.23 | xand | !help |
| 14:53.25 | Binary | dpkg backport |
| 14:53.27 | Binary | dpkg backports |
| 14:53.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get ... |
| 14:53.35 | Ronin | !tell Binary about backports |
| 14:53.37 | Ronin | doh |
| 14:53.38 | dpkg | i guess backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 14:53.38 | wols_ | Binary: msg the bot |
| 14:53.50 | Binary | lol woops sorry |
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| 14:57.15 | abrotman | ale5: that's not a debian kernel though |
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| 15:00.07 | hjb | hi. how can i make tun/tap networking available to a normal user? |
| 15:00.27 | hjb | I've tried "chgrp netdev /dev/net/tun" |
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| 15:00.35 | hjb | But that didn't work |
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| 15:00.53 | simmerz | does etch have the evms-installer built into the installer? |
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| 15:07.22 | efaistos | did someone already patch a remedy server on a sybase db ? |
| 15:07.48 | wols_ | is sybase now running under linux? |
| 15:09.05 | simmerz | does etch have the evms-udeb built into the installer? |
| 15:09.31 | efaistos | nope its a sun box but since i cant find any even zith some nmc guys i thought maybe here could help |
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| 15:13.01 | jakub_ | hello |
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| 15:13.08 | jakub_ | it said if i did m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 15:19.46 | DragonD | i'm tring to decide which MTA to use sendmail postfix qmail or exim. but i want one that can reject spam/virus. work with virtual domains via mysql. any suggestions? |
| 15:19.58 | Binary | exim was easy for me |
| 15:20.08 | Binary | I don't know about spam/virus |
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| 15:20.27 | Binary | actually mine is a very basic configuration so I should of read the rest of the question before answering :-P |
| 15:20.41 | DragonD | i was just about to ask |
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| 15:22.56 | stew | DragonD: since qmail isn't in debian, we'd probably try to steer you away from qmail |
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| 15:24.53 | Azar | oh mister dpkg was flooded then |
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| 15:28.46 | DragonD | stew: ok so postfix or exim? |
| 15:28.50 | Ronin | DragonD: they all do what your asking about |
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| 15:29.10 | stew | DragonD: yes, and you probably can't make a bad choice between the two |
| 15:29.30 | DragonD | Ronin: but which is eiser/more secure? |
| 15:29.38 | Ronin | *cough* qmail but its not technically in debian and not the easiest to install |
| 15:29.48 | Ronin | DragonD: all of them or none of them, that depends on teh admin |
| 15:29.59 | DragonD | ahh i see |
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| 15:31.57 | pickcoder | DragonD: why don't you provide your "ideal" setup to #exim and #postfix |
| 15:32.08 | pickcoder | and ask how complicated the setup would be |
| 15:32.14 | pickcoder | ask for links to docs |
| 15:32.51 | Ronin | there are hundreds of sites with tutorials on setting a mta up with mysql, virtual users etc. |
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| 15:33.32 | pickcoder | Ronin: yes, but if IRC wasn't a priority choice for help then he/she wouldn't be asking in here |
| 15:33.43 | kynarion | hi |
| 15:33.50 | Ronin | pickcoder: ya so many folks have that order backwards that im no longer surprised |
| 15:34.36 | kriston | I put a new volume for /usr/local into /etc/fstab and now an icon always appears on my desktop as "5.8 GB Volume" and I can't remove the icon. How do I remove this icon? |
| 15:35.00 | pickcoder | and the fact is, many of those FAQs are either outdated(missing critical config differences) or don't always match the versions of software in the Debian version that's installed |
| 15:35.48 | pickcoder | though luckily, there's almost always a feature package that has configuration steps |
| 15:35.52 | kynarion | I've got a problem after configuring LILO (but I did a kernel update short time ago, too): VFS: Unable to mount root fs |
| 15:36.17 | hark | kriston: gnome? |
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| 15:36.45 | kriston | hark: Yes, I assume it has a built-in list of volumes that don't show up on the desktop. |
| 15:36.56 | hark | kriston: /apps/nautilus/destop/volumes_visible .. uncheck it (use the gconf-editor) |
| 15:37.23 | hark | or gconftool-2 |
| 15:37.30 | stew | kynarion: are you using a debian kernel or a custom kernel? |
| 15:37.54 | kriston | hark: Will the volume manager for CDROMS and stuff still work if I uncheck that option? |
| 15:37.57 | kynarion | a debian kernel |
| 15:38.18 | hark | kriston: it's all or none (just won't show up on the desktop) |
| 15:38.33 | stew | kynarion: did you tell lilo about the initrd? |
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| 15:39.02 | forger007 | how can i send an email using mail command? i tried this and it doesn't work: echo "test" | mail -s "test" some@mail.com |
| 15:39.04 | kriston | hark: Hrm, I am curious if there were options on that, since it clearly differentiates between volumes it knows about versus ones it doesn't. |
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| 15:39.46 | kynarion | stew: uhm... It was a adept-update; in fact i didn't anything concerning the kernel |
| 15:40.38 | hark | kriston: maybe nautilus has an option for that now, don't know |
| 15:40.39 | stew | kynarion: what does "adept-update" mean? does the kernel you are trying to boot have an inird= line in lilo.conf? |
| 15:40.41 | adikt | ?? |
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| 15:40.50 | kriston | hark: Thanks much |
| 15:41.28 | kynarion | stew: nope, i don't think so... |
| 15:41.38 | hark | kriston: you try #gnome on gimpnet, maybe they'll know |
| 15:42.20 | stew | kynarion: that is the problem then. debian kernels require an inird in order to load the modules needed to mount the root partition, you'll need a line like 'initrd=/boot/initrd-image-2.6.18-4-686' |
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| 15:43.19 | kynarion | stew: thanks, I'll try that |
| 15:43.47 | stew | kynarion: of course, re-run lilo after editing lilo.conf |
| 15:44.09 | forger007 | hm.. |
| 15:44.11 | forger007 | A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its |
| 15:44.12 | forger007 | recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: |
| 15:44.13 | kynarion | yes |
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| 15:44.38 | forger007 | do i need smtpd to send a mail? |
| 15:44.58 | valdyn | forger007: exim4 is an mta, should be installed by default |
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| 15:45.21 | Ronin | but no you dont as long as you use say your isps for example |
| 15:45.27 | valdyn | forger007: its also what generated the mail you just pasted an excerpt of |
| 15:45.48 | valdyn | forger007: includes an smtp server. |
| 15:46.15 | forger007 | valdyn, thanks, but it looks like it doesn't send it |
| 15:46.32 | valdyn | forger007: maybe you want to paste the whole message on a paste site. It does tell why it couldnt send, probably |
| 15:48.02 | maxamillion | has anyone else had issues adding samba printers on etch? ... i've had this printer working before but not since i installed etch ... it seems like it just doesn't add the printer once i am done configuring it |
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| 15:48.11 | forger007 | ah, valdyn: Mailing to remote domains not supported |
| 15:48.19 | forger007 | heh bummer |
| 15:48.29 | valdyn | forger007: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 15:48.52 | valdyn | forger007: you will probably need to use a smarthost for practical reasons |
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| 15:49.31 | forger007 | via smtp or fetchmail ? |
| 15:50.09 | |DuReX| | dmraid can't find my raid devices |
| 15:50.09 | |DuReX| | :s |
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| 15:50.10 | |DuReX| | weird |
| 15:50.18 | valdyn | forger007: a smarthost is another mail relaying smtp server. fetchmail has nothing to do with that |
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| 15:51.21 | |DuReX| | dmraid -r should find all my raid drives no ? |
| 15:51.25 | aztek | anyone have a tut/howto on building LAMP in vservers |
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| 15:55.36 | goldfischli | hi all |
| 15:56.10 | goldfischli | i search a small httpd for sarge, but not so small like thttpd (need some php5 features) |
| 15:58.09 | xand | goldfischli: lighttpd? maybe that does php5, dunno |
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| 15:58.31 | Ecco | Hello :-) |
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| 15:58.35 | waqjan | lighttpd does php |
| 15:59.16 | Ecco | I've a pretty simple question about debian : will "apt-get dist-upgrade" bring me to the latest Debian version ? |
| 15:59.23 | intergalactic | anybody can guide me to make dmz on my network?... I try many times with no luck... plz help |
| 15:59.41 | Ecco | intergalactic: You should check an iptables how-to |
| 15:59.59 | intergalactic | ecco: I check and read many articles... |
| 16:00.02 | chops | Ecco: Yes, if your source.list is set up correctly. 'aptitude dist-upgrade' is now the preferred way of doing it, but 'apt-get dist-upgrade' should work as well. |
| 16:00.14 | chops | Ecco: Also, if you're upgrading from one stable release to another, read the release notes |
| 16:00.16 | intergalactic | ecco: but I don't know why iptables don't apply my rule |
| 16:00.19 | goldfischli | xand: not in sarge :( .. that was my first try, but i have to update the whole lsb-base and i'm afraid I have to change the libc6 :( |
| 16:00.33 | Ecco | chops : Thanks. Actually I'm running Debian on an ARM plateform. Any recommendation ? |
| 16:01.19 | Ecco | intergalactic: Hmm... I've no idea. iptables works just really fine everywhere I tried it. It's pretty tricky to really understand how it works, and it's generally a *really* bad idea to copy/paste iptables rules |
| 16:01.21 | intergalactic | ecco: actually I have a pppoe internet connection.. and I'm sharing that internet connection with ipmasq script.... |
| 16:01.38 | Ecco | intergalactic: pretty much same setup here. No trouble so far ^^ |
| 16:01.53 | intergalactic | ecco: can you give me some advice??? |
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| 16:02.11 | Ecco | intergalactic: Well, .... read an iptables documentation |
| 16:02.13 | Ecco | not a tutorial |
| 16:02.19 | intergalactic | ecco: what interface I need to forward??? eth1 or ppp0??? |
| 16:02.38 | Ecco | intergalactic: You wanna setup a whole NAT solution |
| 16:02.38 | intergalactic | ecco: I tried with both with no luck |
| 16:02.48 | Ecco | Believe me, read a comprehensive guide |
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| 16:03.00 | Ecco | chops: How can I tell which Debien version I'm using ? |
| 16:03.05 | intergalactic | ecco: I read for 2 days... :( |
| 16:03.10 | Ecco | Well, that question could be answered by virtually anyone |
| 16:03.24 | maher | Ecco: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:03.29 | Ecco | intergalactic: well... then maybe you should give up, and buy a small NAT-router that'll do the trick |
| 16:03.45 | Ecco | maher: Actually I did that already, but I just got "testing". What does it mean ? |
| 16:03.50 | intergalactic | ecco: is not the solution... that is evasion |
| 16:04.02 | maher | Ecco: it measn you are running testing? |
| 16:04.09 | Ecco | maher: ha ha :-) Yeah, right |
| 16:04.31 | Ecco | Ok, so now what's "etch, sarge, etc..." |
| 16:04.34 | maher | Ecco: look in /etc/apt/sources.list and see where you packages come from |
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| 16:04.48 | maher | Ecco: stable = etch, testing = lenny |
| 16:05.06 | Ecco | maher: Actually they come both from testing main |
| 16:05.07 | forger007 | valdyn, my smarthost should be my router? |
| 16:05.08 | Ecco | Hmm |
| 16:05.14 | Ecco | maher : ok |
| 16:05.18 | Ecco | But how do I know that ? |
| 16:05.27 | Ecco | From what I understand, there are several "versions" of Debian |
| 16:05.30 | maher | Ecco: how do you nkow what? |
| 16:05.32 | Ecco | let's say 3, 4 and 5 |
| 16:05.50 | Ecco | 3 is an old one |
| 16:05.53 | Ecco | 4 is said to be stable |
| 16:06.01 | Ecco | and we nicknamed it "etch", for instance |
| 16:06.03 | aztek | mine goes up to 11 |
| 16:06.12 | Ecco | and then 5 would be unstable and named lenny |
| 16:06.29 | maher | Ecco: unstable is always called sid |
| 16:06.36 | Ecco | oh, okay |
| 16:06.41 | maher | Ecco: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 16:06.48 | Ecco | Damn |
| 16:06.55 | Ecco | That's *exactly* what I was looking for |
| 16:06.59 | Ecco | thank you very much Maher |
| 16:07.42 | Ecco | So,now : is it feasible to switch from a pretty old sid (let's say at least 1 year old) to Etch ? |
| 16:08.09 | Ecco | And, even more important : is it a good idea, given that the machine I'm running debian on isn't "critical" (laptop) |
| 16:09.07 | maher | Ecco: if you haven't upgraded the sid install for a year then you could probably try switching to etch |
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| 16:09.21 | Ecco | Great |
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| 16:09.39 | maher | Ecco: stuff that was newer in sid than in the current etch won't be rolled back... |
| 16:09.51 | Ecco | Okay |
| 16:09.58 | Ecco | Is it likely to break my sytem ? |
| 16:10.03 | Ecco | And would you even recommend doing it ? |
| 16:10.19 | FromTO | has anyone tried to triple head their workstation. i.e. I want to setup a debian box with three screen and I need a triple or quad head card. Do you know which one works |
| 16:10.36 | Ecco | FromTO: I think you're better off buying 2 cards |
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| 16:10.54 | maher | Ecco: you're probably better off running etch than sid |
| 16:12.17 | FromTO | Ecco: have you tried 2 dual heads and I thought that takes a lot of power. That is why I wanted to buy a quad card |
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| 16:15.07 | eddie | dose anyone have a kickstart pxe install script for debian? |
| 16:15.13 | eddie | for network auto isntalls? |
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| 16:16.42 | namit|laptop | when installing apache-ssl I get error "processing apache-ssl --configure" |
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| 16:18.27 | trym | when i want to install a new package now, (running sarge), apt-get wants to remove my custom kernel.. how can I prevent it from doing that |
| 16:18.54 | trym | it also wants to remove initrd-tools |
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| 16:19.20 | nslater | Doean the GPLv3 satisfy the DFSG? |
| 16:20.35 | vin` | nslater: read debian-legal mailing lists |
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| 16:21.09 | nslater | vin, do you know the answer? |
| 16:21.11 | trym | anyone? |
| 16:21.23 | maher | nslater: yes |
| 16:21.26 | stew | nslater: yes |
| 16:21.38 | nslater | Good stuff, thanks. |
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| 16:22.06 | stew | it would probably be easier if it didnt' |
| 16:22.31 | stew | we've had at least one (that i know of) piece of GPLv3 software uploaded |
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| 16:23.08 | zwox | hi |
| 16:23.08 | stew | we haven't yet had something that was trying to mix GPLv2 and v3, but you know someone will try to, becuase they don't know any better |
| 16:23.25 | zwox | could someone help to find a regexp please ? |
| 16:23.44 | stew | zwox: you'll have to be more specific |
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| 16:24.04 | maher | stew: nearly all gplv2 is in fact gplv2 or later... |
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| 16:24.32 | stew | maher: yes, but not all. and v2 and v3 are not compatible (you cannot mix the two in the same project) |
| 16:24.40 | zwox | i need a regexp to delete everything on a line witch is not %string% |
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| 16:24.56 | vin` | stew: so if the kernel stays v2, we're off track? |
| 16:25.28 | maher | stew: well - I'm sure things will get sorted out - after all you can do apl/gplv3 so there is one fewer problem |
| 16:25.44 | stew | vin`: if the kernel stays v2, (which it will since its going to be near impossible to contact all of the copyright holders), then the kernel cannot borrow code from v3 projects, and v3 projects cannot borrow code from the kernel |
| 16:26.36 | vin` | stew: I knew that, thought you implied debian when you said project |
| 16:27.01 | stew | vin`: oh, no, i meant a single piece of software |
| 16:28.16 | vin` | stew: ok |
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| 16:29.08 | Blackvel | hi all. i am back :) |
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| 16:29.27 | Blackvel | psyco-obiwan: are you still there? :) |
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| 16:29.39 | stew | !dbugs 431109 |
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| 16:29.43 | dpkg | #431109:W[debian-policy] [PROPOSAL] Disambiguate of Section 12.5, Deprecate GPL/LGPL symlinks; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:33:01 UTC |
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| 16:29.46 | stew | that has some interesting discussion |
| 16:30.47 | Ecco | What should I do to switch from sid to etch ? |
| 16:31.19 | stew | Ecco: reinstall |
| 16:31.25 | Ecco | Eeew |
| 16:31.28 | Ecco | No other way ? |
| 16:31.29 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: idling around, kinda |
| 16:31.34 | maher | Ecco: go through /etc/apt/sources.list and change all the testings/unstable to etch |
| 16:31.43 | Ecco | Ok, thanks |
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| 16:31.44 | stew | maher: and then? |
| 16:31.50 | stew | Ecco: /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 16:31.50 | maher | Ecco: this will only work if you haven't upgraded for about a year |
| 16:31.52 | Ecco | Wat about /etc/debian_version then ? |
| 16:31.59 | maher | Ecco: forget about that |
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| 16:32.06 | Ecco | Oh, ok |
| 16:32.08 | Ecco | Well |
| 16:32.26 | Ecco | I'll stick with sid then |
| 16:32.38 | Ecco | Which actually seems pretty stable to me |
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| 16:33.06 | Ecco | does "apt-get -u dist-upgrade" have any sense on sid ? |
| 16:33.07 | maher | Ecco: california seemed pretty stable to me last time i was there |
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| 16:33.21 | Ecco | maher: ha ha ha ^^ Nice one :-D |
| 16:33.21 | Ronin | heh |
| 16:33.23 | reber | hi all |
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| 16:33.30 | Blackvel | I found out that it is some issue with the mbox file when outlook re-receives 220 messages from 2006 while it shouldn't. Replaced the mbox file with one from may where thisdoes not happen. stopped inetd and postfix and copied over the mbox from today. what happend? outlook re-retrieved all 1300 messages. after a 2nd try, again only the 20 from 2006. So something must be screwed with the mbox from today (have no backup from last |
| 16:33.55 | reber | i'd like to REinstall a package already installed. Is it a way to do that with apt(-get|itude) ? |
| 16:34.02 | maher | reber --reinstall |
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| 16:34.16 | stew | reber: aptitude reinstall packagename |
| 16:34.18 | l3on | hi all |
| 16:34.21 | l3on | :) |
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| 16:34.29 | reber | maher, stew smooth, thanks |
| 16:34.30 | stew | reber: note that it won't touch any config files |
| 16:34.43 | l3on | audacious works on your machine ? |
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| 16:34.48 | Blackvel | I would love to find out how to set the correct message flag in my mbox file so all the messages are not re-retrieved again ;) ;). But where could I learn/read about the content structure of a mbox file and mail? |
| 16:34.52 | maher | reber: apt-get install --reinstall |
| 16:35.15 | reber | stew, exactly what i need just restore one binary i scratched. |
| 16:35.30 | xand | !why is tor not in testing |
| 16:35.30 | dpkg | tor is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=tor |
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| 16:35.35 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: i cant think of anything in the mbox file that should result in that behavious, maybe you should consider the other end too.. I've seen OL fail on so many occasions ... try a webmail or another mailclient then you have a real answer if the mbox or the MUA is the culprit |
| 16:35.37 | yoq | www.tamsohbet.comwww.tamsohbet.comwww.tamsohbet.comwww.tamsohbet.comwww.tamsohbet.comwww.tamsohbet.comwww.tamsohbet.comwww.tamsohbet.comwww.tamsohbet.comwww.tamsohbet.comwww.tamsohbet.com come here |
| 16:35.44 | yoq | www.tamsohbet.comwww.tamsohbet.comwww.tamsohbet.comwww.tamsohbet.comwww.tamsohbet.comwww.tamsohbet.comwww.tamsohbet.comwww.tamsohbet.comwww.tamsohbet.comwww.tamsohbet.comwww.tamsohbet.com come here |
| 16:35.50 | Ronin | !op yoq is flooding |
| 16:35.50 | dpkg | Ronin: okay |
| 16:35.54 | Ronin | doh |
| 16:35.55 | xand | !ops yoq spam |
| 16:35.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: yoq spam |
| 16:36.01 | yoq | :) |
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| 16:37.05 | geo-rge | evidently yoq was causing problems on other channels as well... |
| 16:37.45 | vin` | dpkg: forget op yoq |
| 16:37.45 | dpkg | vin`: i forgot op yoq |
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| 16:38.07 | Vookimedlo | /whois |
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| 16:38.52 | Bogus8 | looking for opinions on a good ncurses (or any cli) newsreader |
| 16:38.58 | Bogus8 | something good for binaries |
| 16:39.05 | intergalactic | stew: hi stew |
| 16:39.38 | namit|laptop | how do I see what a packages dependence's are? |
| 16:40.07 | geo-rge | Bogus8: I think debian has a news section... go to packages.debian.org and see |
| 16:40.11 | maher | namit|laptop: apt-cache show package |
| 16:40.14 | stew | namit|laptop: apt-cache depends packagename |
| 16:40.15 | Bogus8 | namit|laptop: there is a page on debian's site that list packages and dependancies |
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| 16:40.26 | geo-rge | namit|laptop: or dpkg --help |
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| 16:40.44 | Bogus8 | namit|laptop: the same page that geo-rge told me to go to ;) |
| 16:40.58 | namit|laptop | k its just when I do apt-get install dovecot its trying to install apache-ssl but it crashes out |
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| 16:41.17 | geo-rge | crashes out? how? |
| 16:41.18 | cmo-0 | how to make tty[0-3] display smaller fonts as if i'm looking at xterm in 1280x1024 |
| 16:41.20 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: I was looking for opinions of the options though |
| 16:41.32 | Bogus8 | real world usage opinions |
| 16:41.36 | geo-rge | it's nice to know the options first tho :) |
| 16:41.44 | Ronin | opinions are like ... :) |
| 16:41.59 | trym | how can I prevent apt-get from removing my custom kernel? |
| 16:41.59 | namit|laptop | geo-rge: yes one sec |
| 16:42.08 | trym | I have an old-stable box |
| 16:42.29 | geo-rge | sarge? |
| 16:42.49 | Bushmills | namit|laptop: just dovecot, or dovecot-imapd / dovecot-pop3d? |
| 16:42.53 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: yeah, I googled a little already |
| 16:42.57 | namit|laptop | geo-rge: yes http://paste.debian.net/32091 |
| 16:43.02 | geo-rge | is your custom kernel in a package? (did you build it by using make-kpkg?) |
| 16:43.13 | namit|laptop | Bushmills: dovecot + imapd + pop3d |
| 16:43.38 | namit|laptop | I am just after doing upgrade to etch |
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| 16:43.46 | pm2 | Hi - I'm looking for some type of instant messaging software than can run on a linux server, but can have Windows clients. I'm just looking for something for an internal small-office network - any ideas? |
| 16:43.56 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: also packages.debian.org isn't coming up |
| 16:43.58 | geo-rge | Bogus8: aha, in THAT case,,, you can be more specific... maybe you want to compare two specific newsreaders |
| 16:43.58 | Ecco | Is it possible to get Debian stickers somewhere ? |
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| 16:44.04 | namit|laptop | pm2: any jabber server should do |
| 16:44.09 | Bushmills | namit|laptop: strange. i have dovecot-imapd, but no apache-ssl |
| 16:44.29 | pm2 | namit_home, can jabber be locked down to, say, users with accounts on the system? |
| 16:44.29 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: but sometimes you overlook lesser known good apps |
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| 16:44.34 | namit|laptop | Bushmills: odd because it keeps trying to install |
| 16:44.40 | vin` | trym: 2.4? |
| 16:44.42 | namit|laptop | pm2: yes |
| 16:44.47 | heanol | i did apt-get --purge remove nfs-common and aborted it in the middle of the removal with ctrl+c (don't ask why), and now i can't install it again. I get this error: http://pastebin.ca/604550 |
| 16:44.49 | pm2 | ok thanks |
| 16:44.53 | Bushmills | namit|laptop: etch,lenny,sid? |
| 16:44.55 | Bogus8 | example would be when I was looking for a CLI IM client... I had never seen bitlbee because it's not really CLI but it was EXACTLY what I was looking for |
| 16:45.03 | heanol | Its obviously keeping some information about it even though i've purged it |
| 16:45.05 | namit|laptop | Bushmills: etch |
| 16:45.06 | heanol | Anyone know where/how? |
| 16:45.36 | trym | vin`: 2.6.17-3 |
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| 16:45.47 | maher | heanol: try purging it again? |
| 16:45.54 | heanol | maher, i did |
| 16:45.56 | heanol | still doesnt work |
| 16:45.57 | barnydan | how can I list irc channels alphabeticaly like in mirc in xchat |
| 16:46.04 | rocketmagnet | hi folks, does someone know the packages name of tor for etch ? when i try apt-cache search tor i get toooo many results |
| 16:46.04 | heanol | i dont understand where it keeps this state |
| 16:46.05 | eald | he need to install to purge again iirc |
| 16:46.09 | heanol | and why it keeps it even though its purged |
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| 16:46.24 | eald | the post-install script |
| 16:46.38 | heanol | eald, where is that located? |
| 16:46.47 | heanol | and why is it kept? |
| 16:46.56 | heanol | shouldn't it use the script from the .deb |
| 16:47.03 | eald | heanol, I'm looking for and is in something that is in /var |
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| 16:47.44 | eald | not sure how it works, but it extracts somefiles first that are the script that handle install and unistall |
| 16:47.47 | geo-rge | Bogus8: aha. in that case you could specify what attributes in a newsreader you're looking for since (1) p.d.o seem to be working find and (2) the descriptions there say which are x-based and which are term-based |
| 16:47.53 | namit|laptop | anyone know what the problem is here? http://paste.debian.net/32092 |
| 16:48.06 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: I mentioned good for binaries |
| 16:48.20 | eald | /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 16:48.26 | Bogus8 | and cli probably ncurses being best |
| 16:48.40 | heanol | eald, yeah i can see it puts /var/lib/dpkg/info/nfs-common.post* stuff there when i install it |
| 16:48.44 | heanol | but it dissapears when i purge the package |
| 16:48.44 | Bushmills | namit|laptop: probably faulty apache config |
| 16:48.49 | heanol | so that shouldn't be the problem |
| 16:48.51 | vin` | trym: tried putting it on hold? |
| 16:49.05 | namit|laptop | Bushmills: so what ya recommend I do? |
| 16:49.29 | geo-rge | look at the postinst script... |
| 16:49.39 | namit|laptop | Bushmills: when I did upgrade I kept my old configuration |
| 16:49.44 | geo-rge | try running each line and see where it errors |
| 16:49.54 | Bushmills | namit|laptop: /var/log/apache may have information on the reason why it doesn't start. |
| 16:50.28 | Bushmills | namit|laptop: otherwise, try to start from shell, /etc/init.d/apache (or apache-ssl?) start |
| 16:50.28 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: hmm, all other pages (search and such) come up but packages.debian.org ends up forwarding to http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages and giving me a connection closed error |
| 16:51.10 | rocketmagnet | how to install PGP keys so apt-get does not ask everytime if this source is ok |
| 16:51.17 | rocketmagnet | ? |
| 16:51.24 | geo-rge | Bogus8: what dist are you running |
| 16:51.28 | XtypeWriter74 | hi am running etch with xfce4 and orinoco pcmcia card on laptop... when i boot up there a long delay and and reads something like ??? MTA before that there a line the says starting networkmanager.... can i deinstall network-manager and still be able to access the internet |
| 16:51.38 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: etch |
| 16:51.48 | geo-rge | http://packages.debian.org/stable/news/ |
| 16:52.25 | vin` | trym: you did read the release notes right? follow it if you haven't |
| 16:52.27 | heanol | geo-rge, I've found the error |
| 16:52.43 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: yeah, I got there via the "stable" link on google, but the main url timed out |
| 16:52.43 | geo-rge | you did? what is it? |
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| 16:53.34 | geo-rge | well look thru that list |
| 16:53.37 | heanol | geo-rge, the error is on this line "ucf --three-way /usr/share/nfs-common/conffiles/idmapd.conf /etc/idmapd.conf" |
| 16:54.14 | rocketmagnet | does someone know what the rpcbind process if for ?? |
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| 16:55.13 | geo-rge | heanol what does the error message say |
| 16:55.56 | heanol | Can't call method "description" on an undefined value at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Question.pm line 93, <GEN0> line 1. |
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| 16:56.11 | intergalactic | I have troubles trying to setup a DMZ on my lan... I'm using ipmasq to share a pppoe connection... my debian box have 2 nics |
| 16:56.33 | geo-rge | heanol: that's a perl oop error |
| 16:56.38 | heanol | yeah |
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| 16:56.45 | heanol | i'm trying to figure out what causes it with the command :/ |
| 16:57.28 | stew | intergalactic: you need 3 nics to setup a DMZ |
| 16:57.30 | maher | heanol: maybe your debconf db is messed up |
| 16:57.38 | shogunx | whats the problem intergalactic? |
| 16:57.41 | heanol | matty-, yes, can i recreate it? |
| 16:57.46 | maher | heanol: try dpkg-reocnfigure -plow nfs-common |
| 16:57.57 | maher | heanol: try dpkg-reconfigure -plow nfs-common |
| 16:58.06 | heanol | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: nfs-common is broken or not fully installed |
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| 16:59.08 | geo-rge | return $this->_expand_vars($this->template->description); |
| 16:59.31 | geo-rge | that's line 93 of /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Question.pm |
| 16:59.32 | bengrubb | heanol: Which version of debian are you using |
| 16:59.38 | heanol | bengrubb, etch |
| 17:00.03 | heanol | geo-rge, i guess i'll just have to backtrack and see what it's supposed to be set to |
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| 17:00.48 | heanol | meh |
| 17:00.50 | heanol | i suck at perl :( |
| 17:01.18 | geo-rge | show the message one more time? |
| 17:01.21 | bengrubb | heanol: wget http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/nfs-utils/nfs-common_1.0.10-6_i386.deb then dpkg -i nfs-common_1.0.10-6_i386.deb ? |
| 17:01.39 | bengrubb | (I just joined so I don't know the exact problem) |
| 17:01.45 | heanol | it's amd64 |
| 17:01.48 | bengrubb | ah |
| 17:02.01 | bengrubb | wget http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/nfs-utils/nfs-common_1.0.10-6_amd64.deb |
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| 17:02.10 | heanol | bengrubb, i get the same error as before |
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| 17:02.29 | heanol | bengrubb, the problem is i get the error "Can't call method "description" on an undefined value at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Question.pm line 93, <GEN0> line 1." when it tries to configure the package when installing |
| 17:02.40 | stew | heanol: what version of debconf is installed? |
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| 17:02.43 | heanol | i created the error by purging the package and aborting it in the middle of the removal |
| 17:02.53 | heanol | after that i can't get it to install again, even after purging it |
| 17:02.55 | bengrubb | heanol: I see |
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| 17:03.11 | bengrubb | dpkg -r you've tried all that |
| 17:03.15 | heanol | stew, the one in etch.. |
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| 17:03.28 | stew | heanol: how did you check that? |
| 17:03.34 | geo-rge | heanol: cool. could you show again the line in the postinst script that generates that error? |
| 17:03.35 | minuss | Ehm.. i dont really get any help over att the ubuntuians.. What do i do if i cant install Xubuntu in my 250Gb that Lenny ruined ^^ |
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| 17:03.49 | minuss | Xubuntu cant make the partitions.. |
| 17:04.00 | stew | minuss: ask #ubuntu or #xubuntu |
| 17:04.08 | intergalactic | stew: why I need 3 nics? |
| 17:04.15 | heanol | stew, check what? |
| 17:04.19 | minuss | stew: As I said.. They dont give me any support.. |
| 17:04.20 | geo-rge | minuss: or install -etch- |
| 17:04.25 | stew | intergalactic: one for trusted, one for untrusted, one for dmz |
| 17:04.26 | heanol | geo-rge, return $this->_expand_vars($this->template->description); |
| 17:04.26 | markybob | can anyone tell me how i can make -lboost_date_time call -lboost_date_time-mt ? |
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| 17:04.31 | stew | heanol: what version of debconf you had installed? |
| 17:04.38 | minuss | No.. Etch cant boot on this.. or something.. |
| 17:05.00 | heanol | stew, uh, well, i installed etch from dvd, so i'm assuming its the etch version since i've never installed from any other repositories |
| 17:05.03 | stew | minuss: we can't support xubuntu. why can't etch boot? |
| 17:05.04 | geo-rge | heanol: nono, not line 93 of that debconf thing, the line in the script |
| 17:05.07 | intergalactic | stew: you know some tutorial or example? |
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| 17:05.19 | Blackvel | any grep/egrep experts here? is there any way for me to scan a mbox file for a missing "Status: R" tag? |
| 17:05.20 | stew | intergalactic: the iptables howto |
| 17:05.22 | heanol | actually |
| 17:05.24 | heanol | its both of these |
| 17:05.25 | heanol | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.28 | heanol | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.31 | geo-rge | minuss: hmmm... |
| 17:05.43 | XtypeWriter74 | hi do i need the packages dbus an network-manager to access the internet ? |
| 17:05.51 | eald | no |
| 17:06.05 | minuss | stew: Or "i couln't install it" cause Lenny had partition the /dev/sdb disk and then it didn't boot, so i truied etch and it couldn't see the disk that lenny had Partitioned.. |
| 17:06.24 | XtypeWriter74 | eald ??was that for me?? |
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| 17:06.39 | stew | minuss: what kind of HD controller is it? |
| 17:06.41 | eald | XtypeWriter74, yes |
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| 17:06.48 | XtypeWriter74 | thanx ;) |
| 17:06.50 | minuss | stew: s-ata 2 |
| 17:06.59 | stew | minuss: do you know which kernel driver it needs? |
| 17:07.00 | Bushmills | heanol: strace the installation attempt - it should tell you which files are accessed |
| 17:07.11 | minuss | stew: No idea acctually.. |
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| 17:07.19 | minuss | I can search.. |
| 17:07.25 | Bushmills | heanol: therefore also the file which is corrupted/contains that state |
| 17:07.29 | aztek | shit i just blew up my test box |
| 17:07.31 | aztek | haha |
| 17:07.40 | stew | minuss: '/msg dpkg hcl' the kmuto.jp link would tell you |
| 17:08.10 | bengrubb | aztek: when you say vlow up do you mean bang! |
| 17:08.15 | bengrubb | blow up * |
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| 17:08.45 | markybob | i wish he'd upgrade that from 2.6.18 |
| 17:08.53 | minuss | stew: Ok.. |
| 17:08.58 | aztek | no not that dramatic. just made a mess of the installed debian setup |
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| 17:09.33 | bengrubb | aztek: I did that yesterday :) |
| 17:09.39 | stew | minuss: or tell me what the vendorid:deviceid for that sata controller is, and I can probably tell you if the etch installer supports it |
| 17:09.46 | bengrubb | actually 2 days ago now |
| 17:10.13 | stew | bengrubb: were you actually able to get back to a working sarge install? |
| 17:10.13 | markybob | can someone tell me how to make an alias for a library? i want -lboost_date_time to link up to -lboost_date_time-mt |
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| 17:10.23 | bengrubb | stew: Yes :D |
| 17:10.42 | bengrubb | stew: I successfully downgraded |
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| 17:11.00 | minuss | stew: Intel and 82801H (ICH8 Family) 4 port SATA |
| 17:11.37 | stew | minuss: that doesn't help me as much as the vendorid:deviceid would (which you can get from lspci -n) |
| 17:11.45 | minuss | stew: I have 2 other disks in the computer that are of the exact same brand and on the exact same controller. |
| 17:11.46 | heanol | is it safe to remove the files in /var/cache/{apt,debconf}/ ? |
| 17:11.48 | stew | minuss: something like 8086:xxxx |
| 17:11.52 | minuss | ah |
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| 17:12.10 | minuss | 80862820 like that stew ? |
| 17:12.13 | stew | heanol: its safe to remove any file in /var/cache but it is not safe to remove directories from /var/cache |
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| 17:12.51 | stew | minuss: that one is not supported by the etch kernel |
| 17:12.51 | minuss | 80862825 and 80862820 are the two controllers that I have, stew |
| 17:13.08 | nn | where can I find the configure options that were used for the 2.6 kernel images that ships with etch? |
| 17:13.24 | minuss | stew: ok.. but how come i could se 2 of the other disks that are of the exact same brand and on the exact same controller |
| 17:13.26 | heanol | heh |
| 17:13.27 | minuss | ? |
| 17:13.27 | stew | minuss: i lied, they both are, by the ata_piix module |
| 17:13.29 | heanol | that did the trick |
| 17:13.32 | cahoot | nn, in /boot/config... |
| 17:13.40 | nn | thank you |
| 17:13.40 | minuss | stew: ok.. |
| 17:13.41 | stew | minuss: oh, you can see some drives but not all? |
| 17:13.51 | minuss | stew: exactly |
| 17:13.55 | heanol | Problem solved! by clearing out the /var/cache/{apt,debconf}/ files! :) |
| 17:13.58 | heanol | thanks all! |
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| 17:14.05 | Blackvel | psyco-obiwan: I have an idea :) |
| 17:14.14 | stew | minuss: thats odd |
| 17:14.19 | bengrubb | heanol: :D |
| 17:14.24 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: oh.. ;-) |
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| 17:14.33 | minuss | stew: and the drive is partitioned by Debian lenny |
| 17:14.42 | stew | minuss: using what tool? |
| 17:14.48 | minuss | stew: the installer |
| 17:14.49 | Blackvel | psyco-obiwan: It looks like all re-downloaded old messages from 2006 can be found it outlook as "time modified today" |
| 17:14.56 | Blackvel | in outlook |
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| 17:15.04 | limpio | hi, i'm having with the time on my box, am running 2 hours ahead, i changed the time in my bios, installed ntpdate, changed my location time/zone in /etc, rebooted and still no joy! any ideas? I tried to install 'tzconfig' but it's not in the repos any more |
| 17:15.10 | Blackvel | it does not find them last week or yesterday |
| 17:15.16 | DragonD | how do i replace exim4 with postfix? i'm tring to use aptitude but it doesn't want to work. |
| 17:15.24 | psyco-obiwan | what means time-modified ? |
| 17:15.30 | stew | minuss: does "fdisk -l" show the drive? |
| 17:15.44 | Gathond | DragonD: should be as simple as installing postfix through aptitude, how does that fail? |
| 17:15.45 | Bushmills | DragonD: apt-get install postfix |
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| 17:16.03 | limpio | DragonD, try installing postfix, it will uninstall exim4 |
| 17:16.05 | Blackvel | it looks to me that ihs time modified (dunno what it is) corrupted the mbox file, this outlook downloaded "modified" messages, even with "Status: RO" |
| 17:16.19 | minuss | stew: /dev/sdd1 1 455 14531+ 1 FAT12 |
| 17:16.22 | Blackvel | I have no idea what modified the time |
| 17:17.03 | Blackvel | but I need to find a way to revoke it |
| 17:17.05 | minuss | stew: but im running liveCD right now.. so thats probably my camera, im going to upload some photos of the boot error after installing Lenny |
| 17:17.08 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: strange... checked your date on the server and your client ? |
| 17:17.20 | bengrubb | yay fat12.. |
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| 17:17.54 | minuss | bengrubb: Its a camera... |
| 17:18.06 | bengrubb | minuss: Yes, you said |
| 17:18.16 | minuss | bengrubb: :) |
| 17:18.19 | minuss | stew: /dev/sdd1 1 455 14531+ 1 FAT12 |
| 17:18.21 | minuss | ops |
| 17:18.26 | Blackvel | Thu Jul 5 19:18:02 CEST 2007 |
| 17:18.32 | Blackvel | i am on GMT+1 |
| 17:18.36 | minuss | stew: http://dump.n-fx.org/files/pict3118.jpg |
| 17:18.37 | Blackvel | same time on my client |
| 17:18.45 | DragonD | Gathond, limpio: "Resolve Dependencies" two options exim4-daemon-light or postfix... option exim wants to "Remove exim4" "Cancel the removal of exim4-daemon-light" and "Install exim4-daemon-heavy" option postfix wants to "Remove exim4-daemon-light" and "Cancel the installation of postfix" |
| 17:18.54 | Blackvel | I believe the time field is screwed for those 220 messages |
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| 17:18.56 | minuss | there the error of the booting after installing Lenny, stew |
| 17:18.57 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: ah germany ;-)... |
| 17:19.04 | stew | minuss: can you show us the output of "fisk -l" use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:19.13 | bengrubb | Blackvel: Me = Fri Jul 6 03:18:46 EST 2007 |
| 17:19.20 | minuss | stew: But it was only 2 lines stew ^^ |
| 17:19.32 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: you can check it easily, make a copy of your mbox and open it in vi or another editor |
| 17:19.36 | minuss | and i know.. pastebin.ca |
| 17:19.41 | Blackvel | 3 in the morning? still not sleeping? :) |
| 17:19.54 | psyco-obiwan | ohh...that explains a lot maybe |
| 17:19.55 | DragonD | Gathond, limpio: so it is a loose, loose situation. |
| 17:19.55 | minuss | stew: did you see te photo of the boot error? |
| 17:20.03 | bengrubb | Blackvel: Is your problem that the time keeps changing? |
| 17:20.08 | stew | minuss: is ata_piix loaded? |
| 17:20.10 | stew | minuss: yes |
| 17:20.15 | Blackvel | psyco-obiwan: doing this already the whole day :) Not too easy to find the right emails |
| 17:20.30 | Blackvel | bengrubb: outlook re-downloads 220 mails from 2006 |
| 17:20.35 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: lol |
| 17:20.49 | bengrubb | Blackvel: btw i didn't mean a pun there |
| 17:20.56 | maher | limpio: /usr/sbin/tzconfig |
| 17:21.12 | Blackvel | but they have "Status: RO". so must be some problem of a modified time of the msges in the mbox |
| 17:21.25 | minuss | stew: I have no clue.. isn't that supposed to be automatic after installing a totally new system? |
| 17:21.32 | Blackvel | at least out look can find them (the new downloaded ones from 2006) as time modified today |
| 17:21.37 | bengrubb | Blackvel: So you have a mail server, and you just downloaded a heap of mail and it had that timestamp |
| 17:21.47 | stew | minuss: you aren't running a new system, you are running a livecd, right? |
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| 17:22.11 | Blackvel | bengrubb: it sends (for each poll) while it shouldn't do |
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| 17:22.21 | Blackvel | mbox is crashed or somewhat |
| 17:22.24 | psyco-obiwan | bengrubb: i try to convince him that his outlook is hosed since it redownloads messages over and over from a POP3 server ;-) |
| 17:22.43 | Blackvel | well |
| 17:22.43 | minuss | stew: Yeah.. but that was after installing Debian Lenny.. And now im rinnung LiveCd cause Lenny doenn't boot.. |
| 17:22.48 | Blackvel | not with this old backup from may |
| 17:22.49 | minuss | doesn't* |
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| 17:22.54 | Blackvel | ;) |
| 17:22.57 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: Say it after me: Your qpopper does not send messages, your outlook fetches them. Say it. |
| 17:23.00 | psyco-obiwan | SAY IT ! |
| 17:23.08 | psyco-obiwan | :-) |
| 17:23.20 | bengrubb | psyco-obiwan: hehe |
| 17:23.34 | Blackvel | I can play bart and write it on board ;) |
| 17:23.49 | bengrubb | Blackvel: Have you told outlook to delete messages from the pop server when receiving them |
| 17:23.54 | psyco-obiwan | another thing i try to convince him of since late afternoon ;-) |
| 17:23.55 | DragonD | Gathond, limpio: ? |
| 17:24.13 | Blackvel | bengrubb: of course not :) |
| 17:24.17 | Blackvel | hehe |
| 17:24.24 | bengrubb | Blackvel: ... |
| 17:24.30 | Gathond | DragonD: probably not hopeless, although I've not seen that problem. I'm eating right now though :) |
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| 17:25.12 | bengrubb | Blackvel: And i'm guessing you just set up outlook on another pc and put in all the details and it tried to download all the old messages |
| 17:25.22 | minuss | stew: any tips? |
| 17:25.35 | stew | minuss: yes, load ata_piix and show me the output of "fdisk -l" |
| 17:25.38 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: do yourself a favour and get rid of that ancient mail client as well as that ancient mail retrieval protocol, you want IMAP. Write it on the chalkboard a hundred times...: I want IMAP and a real mailclient ;-) |
| 17:25.40 | Blackvel | of con ot |
| 17:25.56 | Blackvel | of course not |
| 17:26.16 | bengrubb | Like... thunderbird or ... Apple Mail |
| 17:26.20 | bengrubb | :p |
| 17:26.24 | bengrubb | Anyway back on topic |
| 17:26.26 | Blackvel | i have another pc, right (there don't want to delete mails) but I didn't put it on. trust me |
| 17:26.38 | Blackvel | therefore |
| 17:26.53 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: believe me, IMAP is your answer and the transition is painless, outlook tends to hose with POP3 earlier or later |
| 17:26.55 | Blackvel | its this laptop which SUDDENLY receives mails it should not |
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| 17:27.01 | endra | hey guys |
| 17:27.13 | Blackvel | going to shoot me in my knees |
| 17:27.22 | bengrubb | Blackvel: Listen to psyco |
| 17:27.33 | endra | quick question, say I had a sd card and I wanted to install an application on that sd card, and not on the hard disk, how can I do that with aptitude (including all dependencies, etc) |
| 17:27.49 | endra | Say I want to install.. apache for example, instead of aptitude install apache2, what would I type to have it install to a sd card |
| 17:27.57 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: again, you say receive...your not an SMTP server your a client and your fetching them ;-) Hang on I'll materialize a chalkboard from a simpson .avi for you... |
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| 17:28.03 | endra | So that if I switch computers, and run apache, it would run fine from the sd card |
| 17:28.06 | stew | endra: you can't unless you move all of /usr onto that card |
| 17:28.08 | limpio | maher, "command not found", i tried 'apt-cache show tzconfig', nothing |
| 17:28.23 | bengrubb | endra: How big is the card |
| 17:28.26 | psyco-obiwan | bengrubb: thanks for the assistance ;-) |
| 17:28.29 | endra | bengrubb: 2GB |
| 17:28.31 | stew | limpio: its called tzselect now |
| 17:28.34 | wols_ | limpio: tzdata |
| 17:28.40 | limpio | ok |
| 17:28.41 | minuss | stew: anyways.. how do i load it? |
| 17:28.43 | endra | stew: ah, I see |
| 17:28.53 | endra | stew: .. there is no other alternative? |
| 17:28.56 | Blackvel | pardon for my English. I don't have always the right words ready |
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| 17:29.21 | stew | endra: why do you want apache on a sd card? |
| 17:29.29 | stew | minuss: sudo modprobe ata_piix |
| 17:29.32 | endra | stew: I don't, just naming it as an example |
| 17:29.42 | Blackvel | whats the best imap server? |
| 17:29.56 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: no prob, if it helps you i can convince you of imap and thunderbird in german and french (if that helps) |
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| 17:30.08 | bengrubb | Blackvel: The one you are about to configure |
| 17:30.11 | endra | stew: I was hoping that aptitude had some sort of parameter where you can specify the root to install everything in |
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| 17:30.14 | minuss | stew: fdisk -l gives me nothing :) |
| 17:30.23 | psyco-obiwan | bengrubb: touché ;-) |
| 17:30.30 | bengrubb | :p |
| 17:30.57 | stew | endra: it doesn't. dpkg does, but its probably not going to do what you want |
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| 17:31.15 | psyco-obiwan | try uw-imap Blackvel |
| 17:31.32 | endra | stew: probably not, even if it did, I'd have to find a way to load it back in share on the hard disk on the other computer |
| 17:31.32 | stew | minuss: what about "fdisk -l /dev/sda" "fdisk -l /dev/sdb" etc... do any of them look to be the disk you are looking for? |
| 17:31.35 | psyco-obiwan | or dovecoat as others proposed |
| 17:31.49 | tnks | I'm a little confused by how resolv.conf is being handled. I'm dealing with some DNS servers. Due to VPN complexities, I have two servers that each resolve different addresses. I thought the nameservers in resolv.conf are searched in order until resolution is acheived, but I'm not seeing that. |
| 17:31.52 | stew | endra: what are you actually trying to do? what do you mean by "the other computer"? |
| 17:32.01 | DragonD | Bushmills: lol. i should have tried your way first... |
| 17:32.22 | minuss | stew: got Cannot open /dev/sda |
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| 17:32.34 | minuss | on all sda 1 2 5 thing |
| 17:32.34 | psyco-obiwan | tnks: Im not sure about linux/debian, but i've found that in BSD the latter are only consulted when the first one failes |
| 17:33.03 | endra | stew: well, I have packages that I want to have working with all their dependencies on the sd card because I have multiple computers, and I don't want to re-install everything on every computer, so whichever one I work on, I just run them off the card instead |
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| 17:33.11 | stew | tnks: yes, that is what happens, the nameservers will be queried in order until one responds |
| 17:33.12 | minuss | stew: nvm.. forgot to be root |
| 17:33.12 | bengrubb | Blackvel: http://packages.debian.org/stable/mail/uw-imapd (what version of debian do you have, please say you are actually using debian) |
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| 17:33.22 | tnks | psyco-obiwan: that's exactly what I want, but I'm having a hard time getting that kind of behavior. |
| 17:33.38 | stew | tnks: what you are seeing is that the first one is responding with a "not found" response |
| 17:33.47 | tnks | If I do a "host some_name_resolved_by_dns_2 dns_2" I get a reponse. |
| 17:33.51 | psyco-obiwan | tnks: maybe the app is giving up/timeouting before the resolver switches to the next.. |
| 17:33.53 | stew | tnks: (so the resolver doesn't try the second, since the first responded) |
| 17:34.03 | minuss | http://pastebin.ca/604632 there you go stew |
| 17:34.17 | tnks | stew: I think you're exactly right. |
| 17:34.30 | psyco-obiwan | stew: yeah, sure...the first one says "NO EXIST THIS THINGGIE" which is an answer... |
| 17:34.34 | tnks | I didn't realize that a "not found" wasn't a "fail". |
| 17:34.39 | tnks | How can I get around this? |
| 17:34.57 | stew | tnks: it only tries the second if the first times out |
| 17:35.03 | endra | A second question i have is if I have a custom kernel, how do I tell it to load the old config before I do make menuconfig? |
| 17:35.21 | tnks | stew: crap... I think this is due to a recent change with the network. |
| 17:35.29 | stew | endra: there is no way to do what you want to do with that sd card using debian packages |
| 17:35.42 | psyco-obiwan | tnks: does not one of the servers have all answers you need ? do you need both ? |
| 17:35.45 | endra | stew: I figured, it is no problem |
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| 17:36.08 | tnks | psyco-obiwan: that's exactly my problem. Both are returning "not found" for the other's entries. |
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| 17:36.31 | minuss | it crashed.. |
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| 17:36.45 | endra | anyways, thank you for your help. |
| 17:36.47 | minuss | Have you said anyrhing to me stew in the past minutes? |
| 17:36.55 | endra | stew: thanks |
| 17:36.59 | Blackvel | bengrubb: this vserver uses debian, right :) |
| 17:37.18 | bengrubb | I'm asking you |
| 17:37.26 | stew | minuss: you have 3 hard drives there, a 500g a 250g and a 320g, is one of them the one you are looking for? |
| 17:37.27 | psyco-obiwan | tnks: at the moment i can only think of setting your own dns up and pulling the important zone as sec. from the other two |
| 17:37.35 | psyco-obiwan | but that's overkill i guess |
| 17:37.37 | minuss | 250GB |
| 17:37.44 | minuss | Thats the one that Etch couldn't see |
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| 17:38.04 | `Nick | wols_: you here? |
| 17:38.07 | bengrubb | Blackvel: You have a server correct? |
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| 17:38.19 | minuss | stew: * |
| 17:38.21 | bengrubb | Blackvel: That runs a mail server |
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| 17:38.34 | minuss | damn i forget to highlight.. |
| 17:38.39 | stew | minuss: i don't see any reason it would be able to see the 500 but not the 250 |
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| 17:38.54 | minuss | stew: me neither.. but it didn't |
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| 17:39.11 | stew | hmm, i dunno if the etch cd has fdisk or not |
| 17:39.15 | tnks | psyco-obiwan: yeah... that absolutely sucks. |
| 17:39.26 | minuss | stew: I'll download debian again and try installing it again.. |
| 17:39.28 | stew | minuss: were you trying guided or manual partitioning? |
| 17:39.32 | `Nick | anyone know about installing Debian on a lappy...? |
| 17:39.38 | minuss | stew: guided |
| 17:39.40 | stew | `Nick: lots of people |
| 17:39.46 | psyco-obiwan | tnks: sorry, but it's the only idea i come up with atm |
| 17:40.10 | tnks | I hate setting up bind9. Last I did something like that, I didn't enjoy reading the documentation, and found the config file cryptic. |
| 17:40.26 | `Nick | stew: what about Dell Inspiron 1150? cuz that seems to have issues with networking on the debian installer |
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| 17:40.44 | stew | `Nick: /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 17:40.55 | stew | minuss: i'd try manual |
| 17:41.05 | stew | but then again, i'd always use manual |
| 17:41.18 | psyco-obiwan | tnks: oh...no bind can be your friend, i know bind 4 seemed easier but bind8/9 is not hard to maintain, else there are a lot of lightweight daemons you could use for your purpose like djbdns etc. |
| 17:41.20 | minuss | stew: ^^ |
| 17:41.44 | bengrubb | bind is the devil. |
| 17:41.47 | Blackvel | bengrubb: yes, it's running postfix and qpopper |
| 17:41.59 | minuss | stew: I guess i have to check the debian documentation for that.. Im a bit of a newb as you probably have noticed ^^ |
| 17:42.12 | stew | minuss: the manual partitioning is not very hard |
| 17:42.16 | stew | minuss: just try it |
| 17:42.17 | pickcoder | minuss: are they on the same controller? |
| 17:42.25 | minuss | pickcoder: Yeah |
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| 17:42.55 | minuss | stew: yeah.. but i still got to w8 for the downloading of debian netinstall image.. so i can read some while it does it.. |
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| 17:44.07 | stew | minuss: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 17:44.51 | minuss | stew: I was already there, but thanks for the linking thingy ^^ |
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| 17:45.48 | Blackvel | I am feeling very tired now |
| 17:46.19 | Blackvel | going to have a break. Have good evening. thanks psyco-obiwan, bengrubb |
| 17:46.29 | Blackvel | cu |
| 17:46.32 | psyco-obiwan | Blackvel: you're welcome, have a nice break |
| 17:46.53 | `Nick | stew: the sites dpkg gives are telling me to install debian 3.x but i have 4.0r0 |
| 17:47.18 | stew | `Nick: do you have a specific question about installing on that laptop? |
| 17:48.03 | aztek | when i setup a vserver and choose web server anyone know which packages its installing? |
| 17:48.12 | `Nick | stew: why would it be able to detect the network, figure out that the network is online, but not be able to set it up via DHCP - which is on |
| 17:48.16 | minuss | stew: the documentation weren't that understandable or readable.. so i guess i'll just try it out.. ^^ |
| 17:48.27 | bengrubb | Blacvel: :) Break is a good idea |
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| 17:48.53 | stew | minuss: if you have a specific question about some part of the documentation, please ask |
| 17:48.58 | bengrubb | as long as you don't BREAK your server |
| 17:49.04 | bengrubb | like me :p\ |
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| 17:49.14 | stew | `Nick: what do you mean by "figure out that the network is online" ? |
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| 17:49.29 | Blackvel | this crap cost me the whole day |
| 17:49.32 | stoned | hola |
| 17:49.43 | psyco-obiwan | bengrubb: as i says dont drink and install (or was that drive..) |
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| 17:49.47 | stoned | whoah irssi lags like shit |
| 17:50.00 | Blackvel | instead I wanted to study for my j2ee architect certfication |
| 17:50.07 | `Nick | stew: it says 'if possible the first network to connect has been selected' and it selects my wireless network, but then says it cant setup via DHCP |
| 17:50.34 | `Nick | stew: and when i skip that, it gets stuck at Partitions formatting: 33%; for 20 minutes |
| 17:50.36 | `Nick | as it is right now |
| 17:50.59 | stew | `Nick: perhaps you need to manually associate it with an AP in the text console at alt-f2 |
| 17:51.01 | minuss | stew: I will, during the installation and stuff.. :P' |
| 17:51.09 | stew | `Nick: it getting stuck at 33% has nothing to do with netowrking |
| 17:51.36 | karmatronic | i ve got a friend with laptop ahtec , and sound doesnt work.it uses snd-hda-intel and latest alsa version (with kernel 2.6.18), we tried booting with acpi, lapic and apic disabled but didnt work,also works aby possible combination of model=... but sound is still mute although alsamixer shows up.any more ideas? |
| 17:51.56 | kynarion | stew: I'm sorry... i forgott the lilo keyword :( Could you repeat it please? |
| 17:52.03 | `Nick | stew: well, if it messes up on the networking, but then continues - it finishes the partitions formatting & throws an error - if i skip the networking it just stays at 33% every time |
| 17:52.39 | stew | kynarion: initrd |
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| 17:52.47 | kynarion | ok, thanks ;-) |
| 17:52.50 | kynarion | by now |
| 17:52.59 | stew | `Nick: try associating it with an access point manually using iwconfig in a text console |
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| 17:53.21 | `Nick | stew: to get it to that, wouldn't it have to actually install? |
| 17:53.46 | stew | `Nick: no, i don't think so |
| 17:53.56 | stew | i would assume iwconfig is part of the installer |
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| 17:54.12 | `Nick | stew: it goes to the GUI even when i choose the text-based one |
| 17:54.20 | bengrubb | I don't think iwconfig is in the net install |
| 17:54.21 | stew | `Nick: that shouldnt' matter |
| 17:54.35 | `Nick | stew: in the gui their is no access to anything but the gui |
| 17:54.36 | stew | `Nick: in any case, do you not have a wired interface you can use for installing? |
| 17:54.45 | `Nick | that one doesn't work either |
| 17:54.51 | `Nick | theirs some issue between the laptop and my router |
| 17:54.58 | `Nick | regardless of wether i use wired or wireless |
| 17:55.12 | stew | `Nick: what happens if you hit ctrl-alt-f2 from the gui installer? |
| 17:55.12 | Flawless | I keep hitting a bug(?) in trac - I recently upgraded from debian 3.1 to 4.0, which triggered this problem. |
| 17:55.21 | stew | `Nick: what happens when you try to use the wired interface? |
| 17:55.21 | Flawless | full trace here: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/P637.html |
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| 17:55.26 | Flawless | seems to be a locale problem. I'm not sure how to debug or solve this |
| 17:55.27 | amine | hi |
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| 17:55.28 | Flawless | any ideas? |
| 17:55.38 | `Nick | stew: when i use wired, it doest he same thing but for the other connection |
| 17:55.50 | `Nick | [the wired connection] |
| 17:55.50 | amine | say I wanted to get the .deb file for a package, how can I do that? (including all of its dependencies) |
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| 17:56.29 | bengrubb | anime: Go to packages.debian.org |
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| 17:56.43 | stew | Flawless: is your LANG variable actually set to en_DK? i would not be suprised if no such locale exists |
| 17:56.45 | karmatronic | amine: when you apt-get the package ,it downlads the .deb in /var/apt/archives |
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| 17:57.12 | jeward | I just applied libkrb53 update and perl started spewing errors: perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). |
| 17:57.18 | jeward | How do I fix this? |
| 17:57.18 | stew | amine: aptitude -d install packagename |
| 17:57.30 | Flawless | stew: LANG=en_DK.UTF-8 |
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| 17:57.50 | minuss | stew: Now is the time.. I'll contact you from my other computer if I need help :P |
| 17:57.55 | stew | jeward: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:57.56 | minuss | *poof* |
| 17:58.10 | jeward | stew: I tried that to no avail. |
| 17:58.12 | nn | is it true that the kernel irq balancer is sort of broken and inferior to the userland balancer? |
| 17:58.34 | aztek | I'm confused. I have a vserver that seems to have apache and php installed, but when I try to goto it with a test.php and specify the vservers IP address it pulls from real servers apache install |
| 17:58.51 | `Nick | stew: it's at 'detecting hardware to find cd-rom drives' |
| 17:58.55 | `Nick | done |
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| 17:59.19 | jeward | stew: What else can I try? |
| 17:59.43 | stew | jeward: did you logout and log back in since reconfiguring locales? |
| 18:00.06 | jeward | stew: The messages are coming from cron jobs...shall I reboot? |
| 18:00.13 | eald | restart cron |
| 18:00.17 | jeward | Check. |
| 18:00.21 | `Nick | stew: i'm at the console |
| 18:00.24 | bengrubb | aztek: What happens when you go to the .php file specifically |
| 18:01.03 | bengrubb | aztek: Does you browser try an download the .php file by any chance? |
| 18:01.20 | abhi | I have installed the kbfx. but not able to add the kbfx applet to taskbar. because there is no such applet . pls help. |
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| 18:01.31 | `Nick | stew: ctrl+alt+f2 takes me to the console |
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| 18:01.40 | aztek | like if i goto http://<ip>/test.php it shows the config |
| 18:01.55 | bengrubb | the config of ? |
| 18:01.59 | bengrubb | whats in the file? |
| 18:02.01 | aztek | the php config |
| 18:02.02 | toraton | Hi, I'm looking for advice regarding debian system administration, apache, and user/group settings. Is this a good place for it, or is there a better channel? |
| 18:02.15 | bengrubb | so it outputs exactly what is in it |
| 18:02.27 | aztek | <?php phpinfo(); ?> is what's in it |
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| 18:02.40 | bengrubb | And that is what it displays? that code |
| 18:02.48 | aztek | no it display the php config page |
| 18:03.00 | bengrubb | It is meant to |
| 18:03.06 | jeward | restarting cron didn't seem to fix it either. |
| 18:03.18 | kingsley | Is there a current howto for installing alsa? |
| 18:03.18 | toraton | I run a system with many users, and each user has a public_html dir in their homedir. What is a good way to give apache r/w access to everyone's homedir, without adding any users to the apache group? |
| 18:03.19 | aztek | yeah but it is showing the wrong one |
| 18:03.24 | bengrubb | oh |
| 18:03.38 | toraton | Furthermore, what if a user script tells apache to delete a file in another user's dir ? |
| 18:03.46 | aztek | it's showing the php info for the actual computer, not the vserver |
| 18:03.49 | toraton | This worries me, but I can't figure out a good way to set it up |
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| 18:04.58 | bengrubb | aztek: Ahh, I have never dealt with that before, but checking your php.ini or pastebining it may help |
| 18:05.00 | minus | stew: I loaded the Etch netinstall disk and when the partitioning thingy started, my 250GB disk was gone.. |
| 18:05.19 | minus | stew: Is there anything that I can do to try and make it appear? |
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| 18:05.43 | abhi | help pls? |
| 18:05.46 | Nuxis | where can I find the firmwire of acx100? |
| 18:05.47 | aztek | i don't think it has to do with php really and apache. cuz if i just goto the ip in a browser it shows apaches IT WORKS! page but if i edit that file in the vserver it does reflect the changes |
| 18:06.03 | aztek | "php really but apache" that was worded bad |
| 18:06.11 | valdyn | toraton: you make that dir world readable |
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| 18:06.29 | aztek | man that whole post was worded poorly |
| 18:06.35 | toraton | valdyn, but I don't want users reading each other's homedirs |
| 18:06.38 | aztek | i need to lay off the coffee my brain doesn't keep up with my fingers |
| 18:06.43 | toraton | valdyn, I'm looking into suEXEC right now |
| 18:06.48 | valdyn | toraton: not the homedir, the public_html dir |
| 18:07.23 | toraton | Ah, I see. |
| 18:07.45 | bengrubb | aztek: :p |
| 18:07.50 | flami | toraton, the easiest way to separate the vhosts is to set open basedir to the vhosts directory |
| 18:08.36 | Nuxis | anyone? |
| 18:08.48 | toraton | flami, not familiar with that terminology, "open basedir" |
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| 18:08.58 | toraton | I'll google it |
| 18:09.00 | flami | toraton, its fro php |
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| 18:09.10 | minus | *poke* @ stew are you still here? |
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| 18:09.40 | flami | toraton, you have to set it in your vhosts config . it tells php where it can be executed for that particular vhost |
| 18:09.50 | bengrubb | aztek: Even if you edit the file and it reflects the changes *stop mid sentence* what is the file btw |
| 18:10.10 | aztek | the one in /var/www/apache2-default/index.html |
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| 18:10.35 | bengrubb | That means that apache is working, doesn't mean that php may not be working |
| 18:10.38 | Nuxis | can anyonse say me wehre I can find the firmwire directory of acx100 |
| 18:10.41 | bengrubb | correctly. |
| 18:10.54 | amine | hey |
| 18:11.00 | amine | whats the dpkg command for kernel compiling? |
| 18:11.13 | amine | dpkg = the bot, not the application |
| 18:11.19 | aztek | right but it's the same thing. if i put in the IP for the vserver it pulls the webpage stuff from the real server, not my vserver, even though i specified the vservers ip |
| 18:11.21 | pickcoder | amine: make-kpkg |
| 18:11.25 | flami | amine, make-kpkg |
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| 18:11.54 | amine | i meant kp-mantra, thanks |
| 18:11.58 | amine | !kp-mantra |
| 18:11.58 | dpkg | it has been said that kp mantra is make-kpkg clean && VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') && NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=-$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 18:12.00 | amine | that :P |
| 18:12.34 | minus | Does anyone know what to do if Etch installation doesn't find one of my s-ata2 disks but finds 2 other s-ata2 disk that are of the exact same brand as the one that one that isn't found? |
| 18:12.59 | Nuxis | anyone....?? |
| 18:13.07 | valdyn | toraton: http://pastebin.com/942644 |
| 18:13.19 | amine | thanks |
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| 18:14.00 | bengrubb | aztek: are your virtual hosts pointing to the correct place |
| 18:14.05 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 18:14.20 | flami | amine, you migth want to try :/msg dpkg listkeys or listvalues if you want to search for somethin |
| 18:14.26 | aztek | that's a good question. probably not because i didn't even think of it utnil now. :D |
| 18:14.37 | xlq | Will x86 debian packages work on x86_64 architecture? |
| 18:14.38 | amine | flami: yes, i tried 'search kernel' but it never responded |
| 18:14.56 | valdyn | minus: you have 3 disks of the same brand? |
| 18:14.56 | toraton | valdyn, I'm not explaining myself very well |
| 18:14.58 | flami | its not search , its list values , or listkeys |
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| 18:15.07 | bengrubb | !french |
| 18:15.07 | toraton | However, I think mod_suexec is the answer to my question |
| 18:15.13 | toraton | It seems to be |
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| 18:15.30 | toraton | That way, users cannot use CGI to modify the contents of other users public_html or whatever |
| 18:15.47 | toraton | Because apache generally needs write access to do magic things like create dirs/files |
| 18:15.47 | Nuxis | NVM |
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| 18:15.53 | toraton | This way, apache will run as the user in question |
| 18:15.59 | toraton | I'll just set it up on a per-vhost basis |
| 18:16.17 | minus | valdyn: Yeah, 500GB Caviar 320GB Caviar 250GB Caviar, All are S-ata2 16MB cache and the 250Gb disk in not found by debian etch netinstall CD |
| 18:16.23 | flami | toraton, take a look at this http://www.seaoffire.net/fcgi-faq.html . its a really complex setup but also really secure |
| 18:16.43 | xlq | I'm not sure whether to use x86 or x86_64, because if I can't run x86 packages on x86_64 debian, then I'll probably use x86 |
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| 18:16.59 | valdyn | minus: are those disks on different controllers? |
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| 18:17.22 | eddie__ | dose anyone here have kickstart or jumpstart for debain for auto isntalls? |
| 18:17.30 | eddie__ | or know where or how i can find one? |
| 18:17.37 | toraton | flami, thanks! |
| 18:17.37 | flami | toraton, and i recommend mod_fcgid, mod_fastcgi isnt as good as mod_fcgid . ( suexec only executes CGI with the specified user , not html ( which isnt a problem , i cant really think of a way to exploit pure html ;) ) |
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| 18:17.57 | bengrubb | TrueDD: Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 18:18.07 | toraton | Well, I've just turned on suexec, but I'll definitely give this a read |
| 18:18.08 | pb_werkin | crap. somehow i went from trying to apt-get install wireshark on a 3.1 system to a now heavily confused attempt at upgrading to 4.0 (and i'm not even sure how). short of backing up and installing clean, is there some way i can reconcile this and get the system back to functional? |
| 18:18.23 | toraton | flami, I'm tentatively going to host more and more people, so I'm starting to worry about security more. |
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| 18:18.23 | flami | toraton, this is about suexec |
| 18:18.30 | toraton | Right, I see that |
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| 18:18.40 | toraton | The chroot would be awesome |
| 18:19.23 | minus | valdyn: nope.. they are all in the same.. |
| 18:19.24 | flami | toraton, here a few tips : keep the chroots small, out the vhosts on a no suid partition , harden the chroots with rsbac or grsec or whatever . |
| 18:19.40 | flami | ... out -> put |
| 18:19.54 | valdyn | minus: alt-f2, run 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi', see how many disks it lists |
| 18:20.07 | bengrubb | toraton: And turn on php safe mode! |
| 18:20.11 | toraton | In my current state, I can't change the partition :/ |
| 18:20.22 | toraton | But thanks. |
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| 18:20.49 | flami | ok but dont leave anything that can suid root in the chroots. |
| 18:21.45 | kingsley | How does one know which drivers to build from alsa-source? |
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| 18:22.04 | TrueDD | bengrubb, I don't need for help, sorry, the message "Salut à tous" is generated by a perl script and it don't make the difference between french and english channels. thank you for information ! ;) |
| 18:22.04 | stoned | hola again |
| 18:22.07 | anapivirtua_ | cya |
| 18:22.13 | pb_werkin | wireshark wanted a newer glibc, okay. so i updated the package list, it recommended a bunch of updates, okay. after the glibc update, samba was throwing a malloc() error on restart, so i did "apt-get upgrade samba", then things REALLY started going downhill. |
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| 18:22.50 | valdyn | pb_werkin: 'apt-get upgrade' does not take a package as argument |
| 18:23.18 | valdyn | pb_werkin: reverting a libc6 upgrade is quite difficult, reinstall is easier |
| 18:23.19 | flami | toraton, are you on a vserver ? dont put too many vhosts on there , these things tend to run out of resources quite fast. (leaving you with a nice lag ) |
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| 18:23.31 | bengrubb | valdyn: I downgraded |
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| 18:23.42 | minus | valdyn: there are 2 disks |
| 18:23.43 | bengrubb | Took me a while though |
| 18:23.47 | pb_werkin | i had a bad feeling that's what i did wrong. |
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| 18:23.56 | toraton | flami, dedicated |
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| 18:24.02 | minus | Only my 500GB and my 320GB disk but not my 250GB |
| 18:24.16 | olspookishmagus | Q: hello... can someone look at this -> http://pastebin.ca/604652 and tell me what do I need to do? |
| 18:24.17 | flami | toraton, why cant you cahnegt eh partitions then ? |
| 18:24.19 | toraton | flami, it should handle quite a few hosts, especially because the vhosts I've got so far are VERY light |
| 18:24.39 | flami | wow change ... no cashgg ;) |
| 18:24.45 | toraton | flami, I'd have to pay someone to reinstall debian with special instructions, no physical access |
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| 18:24.56 | flami | wow what a crappy host ;) |
| 18:25.00 | bengrubb | olspoolishmagus: what did you do...... |
| 18:25.02 | toraton | flami, It's in germany, I'm in Seattle, WA :P |
| 18:25.13 | JordiGH | olspookishmagus: Are you on testing or unstable? |
| 18:25.20 | toraton | flami, well, it's dedicated hosting for $55/month, you get what you pay for |
| 18:25.21 | flami | no resqueue system? |
| 18:25.25 | toraton | Looking into a colo right now |
| 18:25.34 | olspookishmagus | JordiGH: aye, on lenny (unstable) |
| 18:25.40 | flami | i got it for less and i got a resqeue system . |
| 18:25.41 | toraton | I'm not totally sure of my options for rescue at the moment |
| 18:25.42 | JordiGH | lenny is testing. |
| 18:25.46 | bengrubb | olspookishmagus: where do your sources point to |
| 18:25.47 | Bushmills | even for 55$ system reinstall can be free |
| 18:25.53 | olspookishmagus | hold on |
| 18:25.57 | flami | toraton are you at hetzner maybe ? |
| 18:25.57 | toraton | flami, you get dedicated for less than that? link me! |
| 18:26.01 | toraton | hetzner, yeah |
| 18:26.01 | bengrubb | pastebin them |
| 18:26.07 | pb_werkin | libc6 itself upgraded fine, "apt-get -f install" now fails complaining about a conflict between x11-common and nedit, and neither wants to budge. |
| 18:26.08 | Bushmills | provider choice, i reckon |
| 18:26.18 | olspookishmagus | deb http://debian.otenet.gr/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 18:26.18 | olspookishmagus | deb-src http://debian.otenet.gr/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 18:26.18 | flami | its ultra easy to reinstall and repartiotion |
| 18:26.23 | flami | read their wiki |
| 18:26.32 | JordiGH | olspookishmagus: Well, the problem is that gcc-4.1-base has a packaging error. You'll have to get a different version or wait until a newer version trickles down to testing. |
| 18:26.36 | toraton | haha, I can't read german! I'll have to learn |
| 18:26.41 | toraton | flami, I'll look into it, though |
| 18:26.43 | olspookishmagus | ok I'll wait then |
| 18:27.13 | flami | they have some command on the resqueue system that lets you reinstall + repartiotion really easy |
| 18:27.36 | JordiGH | Sometimes, occasionally, when they say testing isn't stable they really aren't kidding. :-) |
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| 18:27.53 | vdv | hi all |
| 18:27.58 | bengrubb | JoedinGH: heh |
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| 18:28.08 | vdv | there's a video card from Asus, EN7300GS/HTD. it's on GeForce 7300GS chipset. won't there any problems with that videocard in Linux? |
| 18:28.14 | JordiGH | !info gcc-4.1-base testing |
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| 18:28.30 | flami | jesux i make so many typing errors lately |
| 18:28.35 | bengrubb | this is freenode, dpkg doesn't like talking back |
| 18:28.59 | dpkg | gcc-4.1-base: (The GNU Compiler Collection (base package)), section devel, is required. Version: 4.1.2-12 (lenny), Packaged size: 197 kB, Installed size: 260 kB |
| 18:29.00 | grendal_prime | hey guys, im trying to create a signing request.. ive created the key with this openssl genrsa -out server.key 1024 |
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| 18:29.06 | bengrubb | ahh there we go |
| 18:29.19 | grendal_prime | and now im trying to -out it...with this openssl req -key server.key -out server.csr |
| 18:29.36 | pb_werkin | welp. i guess i'll just throw a new drive in the box and start with a clean etch install. |
| 18:29.45 | grendal_prime | but the machine seems to just hang doing nothing ..and never producing the .csr..what step am i missing here? |
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| 18:32.25 | JordiGH | Hm. Strange. gcc-base-4.1 only has one bug filed against it. |
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| 18:32.50 | webmind | 2.6.21-2-686 is fubar |
| 18:33.14 | webmind | no problem with -1 |
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| 18:34.23 | webmind | but -1 is no longer available |
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| 18:35.28 | JordiGH | Someone messed up the aptitude manpage, right? |
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| 18:35.51 | runev | how do i completely uninstall a package fetched with apt-get, including conf files etc? |
| 18:35.58 | JordiGH | runev: --purge |
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| 18:37.10 | MrLeavy7 | http://www.AWSurveys.com/HomeMain.cfm?RefID=hai2u <-- If anyone wants a quick $6 in their paypal sign right up |
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| 18:38.41 | stoned | the fuck |
| 18:38.55 | stoned | runev: apt-get --purge remove blah |
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| 18:40.04 | pb_werkin | is it normal for "apt-get upgrade" to try to bounce a stable 3.1 box to 4.0? i figured that's what dist-upgrade was for as opposed to upgrade. |
| 18:40.48 | maher | pb_werkin: why not read the release notes and follow the instructions... |
| 18:40.54 | stoned | distupgrade is comprehensive afaik, and a bit more forceful about what it upgrades |
| 18:41.24 | stoned | I myself am, now that I think about it, unclear as to what the real distinction is |
| 18:41.24 | mith | so how do i get the xscreensaver hacks that are supposed to take pictures of the screen to actually do so instead of showing that ugly X test image? |
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| 18:41.26 | flami | pb_werkin, if your sources.list is set to stable, and not sarge, then itll get you the etch stuff now |
| 18:41.27 | JordiGH | pb_werkin: dist-upgrade is more aggressive. upgrade won't attempt to install new packages or remove existing ones. It only attempts to bump up the versions of whatever it can. |
| 18:41.29 | peter__ | Hello |
| 18:41.30 | gnudo | i am trying to install etch on my laptop using CD1. I have booted from that CD and verified its integrity on several PCs and laptops but on MY laptop i when i boot from it i get "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(104,7)" Help!!! |
| 18:41.36 | pickcoder | pb_werkin: if you specify "stable" in your sources.list, yes |
| 18:41.45 | grendal_prime | nm i found it |
| 18:42.15 | pb_werkin | ah. that's what did it then. |
| 18:42.17 | mith | gnudo: something is wrong with your laptop and it's not being able to either a) create the virtual disk in memory or b) not being able to read the drive |
| 18:42.30 | JordiGH | mith: run xscreen-saver, there's a preferences option, somewhere there's an advanced tab or something and there's a tickbox for grabbing desktop images. |
| 18:42.47 | mith | JordiGH: you mean xscreensaver-demo right? |
| 18:42.57 | mith | oh ya i didn't even notice the advanced tab on that, haha |
| 18:43.00 | JordiGH | mith: No, I mean xscreen[tab] |
| 18:43.15 | mith | no you mean xscreensaver-demo that's the one that brings up the config dialog :P |
| 18:43.34 | gnudo | <mith> i can boot other distros inc live cds OK but i want etch! |
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| 18:43.47 | JordiGH | I mean just tab until you get whatever it's supposed to be. It's not -demo on mine. |
| 18:44.02 | maher | gnudo: what make/model laptop |
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| 18:44.27 | gnudo | Siemens Scenic Mobile 350 |
| 18:44.44 | nuxis_ | Can someone help me with my acx100 driver, he see my card. But I can scan for networks |
| 18:44.50 | JordiGH | Er, what's the ar command for extracting a dotdeb? |
| 18:45.27 | JordiGH | ar x package.deb |
| 18:45.29 | JordiGH | n/m |
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| 18:47.14 | JordiGH | Gawd. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you put a space between the shebag and the /bin/bash string, you'll get problems, right? |
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| 18:49.12 | JordiGH | Hm. Not so. |
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| 18:50.14 | JordiGH | I wonder what the problem up there with gcc-4.1-base 4.1.2-12 was. The postinst script seems to run fine here. |
| 18:50.34 | mith | ah, actually had to kill xscreensaver and restart it for it to stop using the default test image instead of just hitting the 'restart daemon' option |
| 18:50.35 | MangosDebian | btw, its shebang ;) |
| 18:50.50 | JordiGH | MangosDebian: That's what I meant. Typo. |
| 18:51.05 | MangosDebian | i figured |
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| 18:56.10 | JordiGH | Strange... gcc-4.1-base doesn't contain any binary data at all. It just installs some stuff in /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.1-base I guess they have it around for packaging tidyness issues |
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| 18:58.53 | pb_werkin | "dpkg --remove nedit" pried it loose. it's resumed installation. fingers crossed for luck. |
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| 19:02.46 | nuxis_ | pff nvm |
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| 19:06.15 | abhi | I have install the kbfx. but not able to find the applet. help pls |
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| 19:09.40 | abhi | help pls |
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| 19:10.40 | vorsprung | yawn |
| 19:12.00 | BrownFrog | After the Etch release, I haven't updated my Debian Sid partition for a while, as I assumed Sid would be unstable (well, more than usual ;) ) for a time after release. Is now a good time to do a dist-upgrade? |
| 19:13.10 | Eulex | !tell BrownFrog about apt-listbugs |
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| 19:17.30 | abhi | help pls |
| 19:17.31 | abhi | help pls |
| 19:17.37 | stoned | ! |
| 19:17.44 | stoned | !ask |
| 19:17.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 19:18.05 | nuxis_ | stoned: he alredy asked his question |
| 19:18.11 | peter__ | I have question, can I ask ? :) |
| 19:18.18 | Maakuth | please do |
| 19:18.20 | nuxis_ | :D |
| 19:18.20 | stoned | sorry |
| 19:18.39 | nuxis | but abhi wait a second :D |
| 19:18.50 | abhi | I have install the kbfx. but not able to find the applet. I am using gnome debian 4 |
| 19:19.09 | MUTU | which is the SSH server generally installed on Debian pls? |
| 19:19.30 | peter__ | there was a program inksomething, and scrubius something like that... who know it? |
| 19:19.36 | Ronin | isnt kbfx a kde menu thing? |
| 19:19.38 | peter__ | it was for graphic use |
| 19:19.43 | stew | MUTU: the only ssh server debian distributes is openssh |
| 19:19.47 | stew | peter__: inkscape? |
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| 19:19.59 | peter__ | steve, exactly, and the secound one ? |
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| 19:20.15 | nn | stew: how impacient ;-) |
| 19:20.17 | hark | peter__: scribus |
| 19:20.19 | stew | MUTU: the only ssh server debian distributes is openssh |
| 19:20.24 | stew | nn: what? |
| 19:20.26 | abhi | Ronin: that is where I am stuck |
| 19:20.27 | peter__ | hark, thanks |
| 19:20.40 | nn | MUTU: packagename openssh-server |
| 19:20.44 | JordiGH | peter__: You should also check out xara. |
| 19:20.48 | Ronin | abhi: log onto kde and see? dont run kde personally |
| 19:20.51 | JordiGH | peter__: apt-cache search for it. |
| 19:20.54 | nn | stew: he quit before you answered |
| 19:20.55 | MUTU | thanks guys |
| 19:21.04 | peter__ | JordiGH, thanks, I will |
| 19:21.07 | abhi | Ronin: so me too |
| 19:21.15 | MUTU | so "apt-get openssh-server"? |
| 19:21.30 | nuxis | MUTU: yes |
| 19:21.33 | Maakuth | apt-get install openssh-server |
| 19:21.37 | abhi | is there any debian package for gimmie? |
| 19:21.39 | nuxis | yea soz install :D |
| 19:21.40 | chops | MUTU: Close. 'apt-get install openssh-server'. |
| 19:21.50 | MUTU | cheers :) |
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| 19:22.18 | stew | abhi: /msg dpkg search |
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| 19:22.58 | stoned | stew: hi |
| 19:23.00 | stew | hi |
| 19:23.14 | jabka | how do i compile a kernel module (i have the svn tree) i tried running make from the directory but i get lots of header missing errors |
| 19:23.15 | stoned | I got kubuntu |
| 19:23.18 | abhi | stew: what? |
| 19:23.20 | nuxis | mhh |
| 19:23.28 | stew | !tell abhi about search |
| 19:23.39 | peter__ | JordiGH, xara-gtk = xara-gtk-byte ? |
| 19:24.00 | nuxis | I compiled and installed acx100 source succesfull and I put the firmwire in /lib/firmwire, but I can't find any aps |
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| 19:24.15 | valdyn | jabka: 'apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)', then try again |
| 19:24.23 | jabka | did it |
| 19:24.40 | jabka | the code searches for linux/headers |
| 19:24.43 | naitram | running etch, my dmesg log shows messages suprressed, whats going on here? |
| 19:24.53 | nuxis | it say's "wlanO Interface doesn't support scanning. |
| 19:24.55 | valdyn | jabka: what is it? vmware? |
| 19:25.07 | jabka | m560x webcam driver |
| 19:25.31 | edistar | why isn't the eric IDE in debian testing version 4 already? |
| 19:25.36 | hark | abhi: you'll have to use kicker for kbfx afaik |
| 19:25.38 | jabka | i downled it from the svn |
| 19:25.57 | Eulex | nuxis, I'd say that that means that there's something wrong with your driver. wireless nics should support scanning. |
| 19:26.07 | valdyn | jabka: read the documentation coming with that driver, you should be able to point it to /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 19:26.48 | abhi | hark: then what should i install |
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| 19:26.49 | nuxis | Eulex: I know, but last time I get it worked ... maybe I will do some more research tnx |
| 19:26.49 | valdyn | jabka: or just create a symlink... |
| 19:26.52 | MilhousePunkRock | Hello everyone |
| 19:26.53 | jabka | valdyn : tried it the documentation just takes after the compile |
| 19:27.09 | naitram | what does this mean -- 4gb seg fixup, process mixer_applet2 in syslog |
| 19:27.37 | stew | edistar: becuase version 4 hasn't been uploaded to unstable yet |
| 19:27.47 | edistar | stew: how long would that take? |
| 19:28.00 | stew | edistar: what do you mean exactly? |
| 19:28.03 | MilhousePunkRock | How do I add daemons to be started in certain runlevels? What "rc-update add foobar default" does on Gentoo... |
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| 19:28.15 | Eulex | edistar, it will take as much time as will pass until someone does that. |
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| 19:28.44 | hark | abhi: install for what? |
| 19:28.44 | edistar | hm ;) |
| 19:29.32 | naitram | what does this mean -- 4gb seg fixup, process mixer_applet2 in syslog |
| 19:29.49 | abhi | hark: could you pls explain what is kicker? |
| 19:29.58 | stew | edistar: check to see if a wishlist bug has been filed against eric notifying the maintainer that a new upstream release is available |
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| 19:30.06 | webmind | can anyone explain me how I can in debian/unstable use an older kernel ? |
| 19:30.13 | edistar | stew: where would I check that? |
| 19:30.18 | stew | edistar: /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:30.31 | hark | abhi: kde's panel |
| 19:31.00 | abhi | hark: then it can't be used in gnome..... |
| 19:31.18 | hark | abhi: well, it can |
| 19:31.35 | nite613_ | What do I need to do to get MPPE support for my pppd? |
| 19:31.36 | abhi | hark: pls tell how. |
| 19:31.44 | nite613_ | In etch |
| 19:31.44 | peter__ | my free pascal gives me error about "saving configuration" |
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| 19:31.56 | xpato | hi, anyone knows how many luns the kernel 2.4 support? |
| 19:32.30 | stew | nite613_: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:32.51 | stew | nite613_: or what does "grep MPPE /boot/config-$(uname -r)" say? |
| 19:33.08 | webmind | is there anyway of getting 2.6.20 or something as a debian package ? |
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| 19:33.19 | hark | abhi: just run 'kicker' . You can get rid of gnome-panel if you want to. |
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| 19:33.57 | Eulex | webmind, 2.6.21 is already in unstable |
| 19:34.02 | jeward | I have a debian mirror of etch that has missing packages. This seems to have hapenned since etch was released. Can someone help me figure out why? |
| 19:34.05 | nite613_ | stew: I got it, thank you |
| 19:34.11 | gnudo | is it possible to install etch using CD1 but with kernel 2.4 instead of 2.6 . what is the actual argument? |
| 19:34.22 | gnudo | boot argument(s) |
| 19:34.26 | stew | nite613_: are you looking at the pptp-linux package? |
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| 19:34.36 | webmind | Eulex, yes and 2.6.21-2 is causing data corruption here |
| 19:34.36 | abhi | hark: it is saying unknown app |
| 19:34.39 | stew | gnudo: no, 2.4 is not supported under etch |
| 19:34.43 | Eulex | gnudo, etch does not afaik support linux 2.4. |
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| 19:34.54 | webmind | Eulex, if I dd from my USB stick I get I/O errors in -2, not in -1 |
| 19:35.12 | gnudo | <stew> can you help me? |
| 19:35.16 | Eulex | !tell webmind about snapshot |
| 19:35.21 | nite613_ | stew: Using pptp. Whats the diff between that and pptp-linux? |
| 19:35.21 | hark | abhi: installing it helps :) |
| 19:35.28 | Eulex | webmind, you might be able to find 2.6.20 images at that site |
| 19:35.34 | webmind | thanks |
| 19:35.47 | stew | nite613_: pptp-linux is the package that contains pptp client software |
| 19:35.57 | stew | gnudo: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 19:36.00 | gnudo | i am trying to install etch on my laptop using CD1. I have booted from that CD and verified its integrity on several PCs and laptops but on MY laptop i when i boot from it i get "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(104,7)" Help!!! |
| 19:36.09 | nite613_ | stew: This is a server. Still gettign pppd[4241]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x3 "MPPE required but not available"] |
| 19:36.14 | nite613_ | no client needed |
| 19:36.20 | gnudo | i can boot other distros inc live cds OK but i want etch! |
| 19:36.40 | abhi | hark: ok |
| 19:36.49 | stew | nite613_: is the ppp_mpp3 kernel module loaded? |
| 19:36.56 | stew | err ppp_mpp3 rather |
| 19:36.57 | jeward | My etch mirror is missing packages and I can't figure out why. |
| 19:36.58 | stew | omg |
| 19:37.16 | nite613_ | stew: ppp_mppe yes |
| 19:37.19 | stew | nite613_: ppp_mppe ; i seem to have l33t speak stuck in my fingers |
| 19:37.22 | nite613_ | haha |
| 19:37.34 | nite613_ | It's loaded, and I restarted pptpd, but it's still throwing that herror |
| 19:37.38 | xembrx | ick |
| 19:37.47 | Eulex | gnudo, you might want to try an image from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 19:38.40 | nn | 2.4 was fun a few years ago, but most of nowadays driver will not compile for it.. |
| 19:38.56 | nn | I mean 3rd party driver |
| 19:38.57 | nn | s |
| 19:39.17 | Eulex | 2.4 is obsolete |
| 19:39.29 | valdyn | gnudo: you can alternatively use also a sarge installer ( if its a relatively old notebook ). Upgradeing is relatively easy. |
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| 19:39.58 | jeward | Can anyone help me make my etch mirror silver? |
| 19:40.14 | gnudo | what? how? i do not have the bandwith |
| 19:40.20 | Eulex | jeward, specifics please. what's missing? |
| 19:40.45 | jeward | Eulex: A libpng package, let me check. |
| 19:41.16 | jabka | thnx ppl |
| 19:41.26 | jeward | Eulex: Err http://debian.prime.chinoc.net etch/main libpng12-dev 1.2.15~beta5-1 |
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| 19:41.35 | nite613_ | Anyone? "MPPE required but not available" even with ppp_mppe module loaded |
| 19:41.38 | endra | hey |
| 19:41.39 | jeward | Eulex: Err http://debian.prime.chinoc.net etch/main libpng12-0 1.2.15~beta5-1 |
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| 19:41.47 | endra | can someone assist me in getting my SD card to work properly? |
| 19:41.52 | jeward | Eulex: Those two for certain. |
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| 19:42.38 | aztek | hm |
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| 19:43.04 | Eulex | jeward, apt-get update; if that doesn't fix it, try another mirror. |
| 19:43.23 | jeward | Eulex: Can I add them manually? The thing that worries me is that they are in other repositories. Why not mine? |
| 19:43.36 | aztek | to stop a vserver it's vserver <servername> stop right? |
| 19:43.39 | jeward | Eulex: That's just it, it's MY mirror. |
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| 19:43.53 | jeward | Eulex: I'm trying to figure out why it's missing packages. |
| 19:43.54 | Eulex | jeward, eh, you created it? |
| 19:44.00 | jeward | Eulex: Yes. |
| 19:44.15 | Eulex | jeward, well, how did you create it? |
| 19:44.21 | jeward | Eulex: We have 220+ servers that use it. |
| 19:44.31 | jeward | One sec, let me find the program. |
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| 19:45.48 | MUTU | how do i install termcap-compat pls? |
| 19:45.56 | MilhousePunkRock | How would I display what groups and users exist? |
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| 19:46.40 | jeward | Eulex: apt-mirror |
| 19:47.03 | hark | MUTU: what debian version? |
| 19:47.45 | \amethyst | MilhousePunkRock: getent passwd | cut -d: -f1 and getent group | cut -d: -f1 |
| 19:48.00 | MUTU | hark: 4.0 with kernel linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 19:48.28 | nite613_ | Got it, there was an old nomppe-40 line that was causing the trouble somehow. Yay for VPN tunnels landing |
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| 19:48.37 | MilhousePunkRock | \amethyst: Great, thanks... |
| 19:48.42 | jeward | Eulex: apt-mirror |
| 19:48.54 | Eulex | jeward, I'd suggest debmirror or apt-cacher. |
| 19:49.14 | jeward | Eulex: It'll work with my existing mirror? |
| 19:49.21 | stew | MUTU: what software are you running that actually needs termcap-compat? |
| 19:49.25 | Eulex | jeward, dunno |
| 19:49.37 | hark | must be a really old app |
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| 19:49.38 | jeward | Eulex: Do you have a preference for either? |
| 19:49.42 | _fjh_ | Hi my usbstick gets mounted at /media/disk now instead of /media/usbdisk. Why? |
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| 19:50.22 | MUTU | stew: I am trying to install etded (wolfenstein enemy territory game server) following this tutorial: http://tjw.org/etded/ |
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| 19:51.09 | HardDisk_WP | does hdb: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 19:51.11 | HardDisk_WP | hdb: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } |
| 19:51.13 | HardDisk_WP | ide: failed opcode was: unknown in my dmesg mean my hard drive goes broken soon? |
| 19:51.15 | HardDisk_WP | this is the first time I get this |
| 19:51.31 | Eulex | jeward, in any case, apt-mirror doesn't seem to be very maintained or updated. debmirror is supposed to do roughly the same thing, but seems to be actively developed. I haven't got onhand experience with either, but I've used apt-cacher (which isn't really the same thing, it will just download packages and cache them when needed, not keep a full mirror if not needed) and it has worked very well in my experience. |
| 19:51.40 | stew | HardDisk_WP: either your hard drive or you cable is going bad, probably the drive |
| 19:51.46 | jeward | Eulex: debmirror is for partial mirrors? Ours is full for a couple of architectures. |
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| 19:52.16 | jeward | Eulex: Sounds like I need to swap in debmirror. |
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| 19:52.35 | lense | motherfuckers |
| 19:52.37 | Eulex | jeward, I'd assume that you can setup it to handle any part of the mirrors you want, all or parts or whatever you'd want. |
| 19:52.46 | hark | MUTU: well, you can't unfortunately |
| 19:52.49 | jeward | Eulex: Okay, thanks very much! |
| 19:52.55 | lense | dead to America |
| 19:52.57 | lense | Allah |
| 19:52.57 | stew | MUTU: well termcap-compat is no longer in debian stable as it is only required by very old non-debian apps, you can try to install it from oldstable by downloading it from packages.debian.org |
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| 19:53.31 | MUTU | hark and stew: thanks |
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| 19:53.42 | smacnay | stew: thanks |
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| 19:54.00 | hark | there's no libc6 version afaik |
| 19:54.08 | stew | no, its not necessary with libc6 |
| 19:54.13 | stew | aiui |
| 19:54.14 | HardDisk_WP | stew, sh*t...can I test all my sectors if their data are intact? |
| 19:55.04 | stew | HardDisk_WP: i don't know how you would |
| 19:55.24 | nn | if you got a copy of all your data :P |
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| 19:55.52 | HardDisk_WP | stew, :(. can i at least read the SMART data in debian? |
| 19:56.04 | abhi | can I assign the window button to the gmenu? |
| 19:56.49 | stew | HardDisk_WP: yes, with smartmontools |
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| 19:58.13 | endra | !sd |
| 19:58.13 | dpkg | It's always Sunday in #debian!!! |
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| 19:58.38 | karsten | What's the networking setting which causes some webservers to fail to talk to a Linux box? I'm getting long timeouts / failed loads on a fair number of sites at present. |
| 19:58.40 | RvGaTe | im looking for a widely used webdevelopent tool, altho i forgot the name... its one of those editors with multilanguage syntax highliting, autocompletion, codehinting, build in php engine, ajax debugger etc etc... it is available for all platforms... but i forgot the name./... :S anyone ? |
| 19:58.45 | nn | did anyone ever see a damaged hdd with a not-OK smart status? |
| 19:58.48 | karsten | Not sure if it's that setting or my (snarfed) wifi net. |
| 19:58.50 | nn | i didn't |
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| 19:59.37 | erik | nn: nobody ever was interested with smart data of a dead disk... |
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| 19:59.43 | esaym | anyone use kmail with 2 email accounts? |
| 20:00.05 | erik | dead=dead... walk on to new pastures... |
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| 20:00.44 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 20:00.49 | pb_werkin | while trying to remove sawfish-gnome, i'm getting "update-alternatives: --slave only allowed with --install", some way to make this execute? |
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| 20:01.48 | ribnitz | is it possible ot cross-compile the nvidia mods for another kernel version? |
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| 20:02.57 | nn | ribnitz: I guess so.. if you supply the corresponding kernel headers.. |
| 20:03.35 | hajhouse | the package gql-shell and its libs are missing from stable (in oldstable only). is there a workalike replacement for this package? |
| 20:04.00 | abrotman | and this package does ? |
| 20:04.13 | ribnitz | nn: will it save time (compared to first compiling the other kernel |
| 20:04.43 | abrotman | !info gql-shell oldstable |
| 20:04.46 | dpkg | gql-shell: (An Interactive Database Terminal based on GQL), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.5.7-7.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 51 kB, Installed size: 140 kB |
| 20:04.47 | hajhouse | "GQL-Shell is database frontend similar to PostgreSQL's psql." -- packages.debian.org/gql-shell |
| 20:04.58 | abhi | hark: installed the kicker. but not able to configure it. such as size of kicker etc. |
| 20:05.04 | abrotman | hajhouse: for which database ? |
| 20:05.17 | hajhouse | abrotman: sqlite |
| 20:05.33 | ribnitz | hajhouse: is that a database at all? |
| 20:05.54 | hajhouse | ribnitz: yes, it's not client-server though |
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| 20:06.36 | abrotman | hajhouse: dbishell ? |
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| 20:06.56 | abrotman | !info dbishell etch |
| 20:06.59 | dpkg | dbishell: (Interactive SQL shell with readline support), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.8.9-7.2 (etch), Packaged size: 164 kB, Installed size: 616 kB |
| 20:07.04 | hajhouse | abrotman: dbishell looks promising, will try! |
| 20:07.10 | nn | ribnitz: how is compiling the driver before the kernel supposed to save time? |
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| 20:07.16 | abrotman | hajhouse: might want to read the desciprtion first |
| 20:07.24 | hark | abhi: right click it and see properties or something similar |
| 20:07.25 | abrotman | hajhouse: also .. if it's GUI .. tora might work |
| 20:07.37 | ribnitz | nn: I only recompile the kernel atm.. |
| 20:08.21 | hajhouse | abrotman: i am specifically interested in a command-line tool. it looks like dbishell can be made to work for what i want. :) |
| 20:08.45 | abrotman | hajhouse: okay .. enjoy |
| 20:08.50 | abhi | hark: yes in the configuration when i press each tab i shows error due to some missing libs |
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| 20:08.55 | dvs01 | what should i do if i want to start up my own open source project? im trying to basically get all the info i need that encompasses it, which would include software engineering theory, project management, revision control, etc. i want to go beyond just editing a source file and using it |
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| 20:09.04 | hajhouse | abrotman: thanks :) |
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| 20:09.38 | themill | How can I use sun-java6-jdk inside a pbuilder environment? (including it in the Build-depends causes a spit because the sun-dlj-v1-1 license can't be presented) |
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| 20:10.13 | ribnitz | dvs01: know the tools. Know the community. |
| 20:10.29 | edistar | dvs01: good luck |
| 20:10.35 | dvs01 | any recommended google keywords? =D |
| 20:10.43 | stew | themill: ask #debian-java or #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
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| 20:11.04 | themill | stew: cheers.... didn't know they existed. |
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| 20:11.40 | ribnitz | dvs01: when you say "software design", that is usually a 2 term course at univ. level, plus about 15 design patterns. |
| 20:11.42 | smacnay | It almost seems that to integrate mailing addresses and contact info into OpenOffice apps, one must use Evolution as the mail client rather than Icedove/Thunderbird. |
| 20:12.14 | ribnitz | smacnay: bad app design.. |
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| 20:12.35 | lindenle | is there a way to throttle a connection that is already established? |
| 20:12.49 | streuner | not by default |
| 20:12.55 | dvs01 | ribnitz: i cant take any courses, but i will use the resources i have. possibly some books. is there anything you'd recommend? |
| 20:13.08 | smacnay | ribnitz: Evolution? Or just the integration of apps? |
| 20:13.30 | stew | lindenle: you can using the kernel's qos, via the tc command |
| 20:13.35 | stew | lindenle: lartc.org |
| 20:13.40 | lindenle | stew: looking |
| 20:13.54 | streuner | lindenle: or any app. which support that |
| 20:14.00 | ribnitz | dvs01: Big four (on design paterns) (or wikipedia to get an idea what a design pattern is) |
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| 20:14.24 | stew | gang of four? |
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| 20:15.24 | loesh | i allways think fo goths when i think of gang of four.. |
| 20:15.27 | loesh | strange.. |
| 20:15.28 | dvs01 | thanks |
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| 20:15.56 | \amethyst | loesh: I think of Chinese Communists |
| 20:16.00 | smacnay | ribnitz: sorry, I didn't understand what you meant by "bad design"? |
| 20:16.14 | loesh | \amethyst, O_O |
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| 20:16.34 | vdv | hi all |
| 20:16.37 | ribnitz | stew: Design Patterns:Elements of Reusable Object-Oriented Software. |
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| 20:16.53 | vdv | what's the difference between sarge and ordinary debian? |
| 20:16.55 | ribnitz | smacnay: tightly coupled apps. |
| 20:17.07 | \amethyst | vdv: sarge is the previous version of debian |
| 20:17.22 | \amethyst | vdv: etch is the current version |
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| 20:17.25 | stew | vdv: sarge is now labelled "oldstable" it was replaced by the current stable named "etch" sarge will only receive security support for a few more months |
| 20:17.39 | streuner | !sarge |
| 20:17.39 | dpkg | hmm... sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 20:17.48 | smaug9 | i have a two debian 4.0 machines that im trying to set up publickey ssh authentication for |
| 20:18.01 | smaug9 | i've created the private key, copied the publickey to .ssh/authorizedkeys2 |
| 20:18.07 | smaug9 | chmod 640 on authkeys |
| 20:18.14 | smaug9 | and still i get prompted for a password |
| 20:18.17 | vdv | well, i've decided to switch to debian. can anybody give me the link where can i download images? |
| 20:18.31 | streuner | !d-i vdv |
| 20:18.31 | dpkg | vdv, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:18.32 | stew | smaug9: use ssh-copy-id from the client machine to copy the key to the server |
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| 20:18.33 | hark | loesh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Four |
| 20:18.36 | vdv | is that http://www.us.debian.org/CD/ ? |
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| 20:19.17 | stew | vdv: get.debian.net |
| 20:19.26 | ribnitz | I actually meant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_patterns |
| 20:19.31 | pb_werkin | .ssh probably needs to be 700, and the home directory may need to be g-w. |
| 20:19.37 | vdv | ftp://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/debian-cd/4.0_r0/amd64/iso-cd |
| 20:19.45 | stew | vdv: yes, that would work |
| 20:19.45 | streuner | oh, AMD64? |
| 20:19.54 | vdv | there's 19 images |
| 20:19.59 | streuner | vdv: are you sure you need AMD64? |
| 20:20.06 | vdv | yeah, amd athlon 3600 |
| 20:20.14 | streuner | vdv: use netinstal |
| 20:20.23 | stew | vdv: you only need the first cd or a netinst cd as long as you can get onto the internet using a stock debian kernel |
| 20:20.25 | ribnitz | vdv: you want a net install, not 19 cds that are old tomorrow. |
| 20:20.32 | stew | ribnitz: old tomorrow? |
| 20:20.36 | streuner | !amd64 |
| 20:20.36 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about nspluginwrapper |
| 20:20.42 | sebastian | is there any way of removing the gray spots on the panel in gnome.. you know http://dump.n-fx.org/files/screenshot.png |
| 20:20.45 | keith_ | i just setup a squid proxy, and am trying to figure out if it's working or not. i hit whatismyip.com, thinking it might report the IP of the proxy, but it doesn't. any ideas? |
| 20:20.45 | sebastian | whose |
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| 20:20.48 | sebastian | those* |
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| 20:21.14 | vdv | aren't they release images? |
| 20:21.14 | K-Ryan | What are the minimum specs for Debian? |
| 20:21.16 | smacnay | ribnitz: yes, too bad exporting Icedove addresses doesn't work with OO importing (at least I haven't figured it out). Makes me want to create an SQL db of addresses and such and just access the db. |
| 20:21.20 | stew | K-Ryan: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 20:21.38 | ribnitz | K-Ryan: for what? |
| 20:21.39 | smaug9 | stew: thanks |
| 20:21.49 | K-Ryan | Thanks stew |
| 20:21.51 | loesh | hark, i know what it is :).. still makes me think of goths though.. guessing it was the way our professor pronounced it :).. |
| 20:22.18 | vdv | where can i read about the contents of whole 4.0_r0 distribution? |
| 20:22.20 | karsten | K-Ryan: Read the installation guide |
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| 20:22.28 | K-Ryan | Well the thing is I have a 10 year old computer that I'm trying to get up and running with linux. Currently it doesn't have an OS |
| 20:22.37 | valdyn | !cd contents |
| 20:22.37 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 20:22.38 | karsten | vdv: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 20:22.45 | stew | vdv: http://packages.debian.org |
| 20:22.50 | K-Ryan | Booting from CDs keeps giving me errors, so I was looking into this floppy thing. |
| 20:22.51 | Eulex | K-Ryan, install manual. |
| 20:22.52 | vdv | i.e. what those images contain |
| 20:22.53 | keith_ | has anyone used squid on debian? |
| 20:23.01 | K-Ryan | Eulex: I get it =) |
| 20:23.04 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 20:23.04 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:23.16 | streuner | hm |
| 20:23.18 | ribnitz | K-Ryan: I made good experiences with netboot. |
| 20:23.27 | stew | keith_: lots of people have used squid |
| 20:24.16 | streuner | abrotman: ping |
| 20:24.37 | abrotman | hi! |
| 20:24.45 | nn | !hdaps |
| 20:24.58 | keith_ | is the packaged squid.conf very different from the upstream one? |
| 20:24.58 | streuner | abrotman: How are you using +i (umode) in X-Chat? |
| 20:25.02 | abrotman | i am ? |
| 20:25.08 | streuner | abrotman: invisible |
| 20:25.19 | vdv | actually, i'm always make packages myself. but i want whole distribution to give a present for my friend, who doesn't like building packages |
| 20:25.21 | abrotman | i'm invisible?!??! WOOHOO! |
| 20:25.21 | streuner | abrotman: well, i thought you using X-Chat? |
| 20:25.28 | abrotman | streuner: right now i am .. yes |
| 20:25.34 | xembrx | no you're not, I can see you! |
| 20:25.37 | karsten | K-Ryan: An alternative formulation for your question is "I've got a system with X CPU, X RAM, and X HD, what sort of Debian experience might I expect?". Though the answer to *that* is *also* in the install guide |
| 20:25.40 | streuner | abrotman: are you using |
| 20:25.43 | keith_ | stew: i just setup a squid proxy, and am trying to figure out if it's working or not. i hit whatismyip.com, thinking it might report the IP of the proxy, but it doesn't. any ideas? |
| 20:25.49 | streuner | abrotman: are you using +i (invisible) too? |
| 20:25.52 | xembrx | !! |
| 20:25.52 | dpkg | methinks ! is I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
| 20:25.58 | abrotman | streuner: /mode abrotman just says +e |
| 20:25.58 | karsten | keith_: Squid is a myth. |
| 20:26.02 | abrotman | streuner: why do you ask ? |
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| 20:26.10 | karsten | !tell keith_ about ask |
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| 20:26.28 | streuner | abrotman: well, /umode streuner +i doesnt work, /raw mode streuner +i too. |
| 20:26.28 | sebastian | So is there a way of removing the gray spots on the gnome panel? http://dump.n-fx.org/files/screenshot.png |
| 20:26.45 | abrotman | streuner: well .. i never tried to be invisible .. let me try |
| 20:26.51 | keith_ | karsten: for the third time, i'll ask: i just setup a squid proxy, and am trying to figure out if it's working or not. i hit whatismyip.com, thinking it might report the IP of the proxy, but it doesn't. any ideas? |
| 20:26.53 | abrotman | woohoo .. i'm invisible! |
| 20:26.58 | jelly | !penixstrike abrotman |
| 20:26.58 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking abrotman to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:27.05 | streuner | Yes, you are! :-) |
| 20:27.11 | abrotman | invisible people still leave wet spots |
| 20:27.22 | streuner | hm |
| 20:27.30 | abrotman | streuner: i just did a /mode abrotman +i |
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| 20:27.48 | YazzY | hi guys |
| 20:27.53 | YazzY | any idea why editing /etc/network/interfaces and adding there an alias interface does not bring it up on boot? |
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| 20:27.55 | ribnitz | hello |
| 20:28.00 | karsten | keith_: check your proxy log. |
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| 20:28.01 | YazzY | it should be correct http://rafb.net/p/8ejIvm36.html |
| 20:28.17 | karsten | YazzY: iface <interface> auto |
| 20:28.28 | trym | how do I make custom libraries in lib/ automatically reload like the others in dev mode |
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| 20:29.20 | YazzY | karsten: strange, there is another entry there saying |
| 20:29.23 | YazzY | auto eth0 |
| 20:29.23 | YazzY | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 20:29.28 | YazzY | why is that working ? |
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| 20:29.43 | trym | err wrong chan |
| 20:30.19 | karsten | YazzY: Aliased interfaces (eth: eth0:0) need to be brought up *after* the primary interface. man 5 interfaces. I'm not completely up to speed on this. |
| 20:30.45 | Feto | how do I install flash players for firefox: |
| 20:30.45 | Feto | ? |
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| 20:31.08 | streuner | Feto: apt-cache search flash |
| 20:31.13 | karsten | Feto: Install the flash plugin from within your Firefox session seems to be the best way. |
| 20:31.24 | YazzY | karsten: thanks, its just strange it works fine when i run /etc/init.d/networing restart but not on boot |
| 20:32.05 | YazzY | karsten: so you mean it's becouse the dhcp thing, that it is now working? I mean, if i dont get any IP for eth0 , the eth0:0 alias would never work ? |
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| 20:32.24 | karsten | YazzY: Right. |
| 20:32.34 | abrotman | streuner: did you get it ? |
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| 20:33.03 | YazzY | karsten: would i maybe ifconfig up the eth0 to make eth0:0 work even if eth0 does not receive any IP ? |
| 20:33.19 | xerophyte | if i have raid5 with 5 disk, and if the 2 disk gone bad... can i able to restore the data ? |
| 20:33.32 | YazzY | karsten: what i basically need is a static interface with a static ip, like lo0 |
| 20:33.44 | karsten | YazzY: If you want these to be two seperate configurations of eth0 to be used exclusive of one another, there's a way to do that, not sure myself. |
| 20:33.49 | streuner | abrotman: sure, but this doesnt work either, the same with the other 100 options |
| 20:33.55 | YazzY | i could propably use bridge or tap or even assign a second ip to the loopback |
| 20:33.56 | abrotman | xerophyte: was one of the disks a hot spare ? |
| 20:34.26 | xerophyte | abrotman, nope seems like all the drive in the raid |
| 20:34.34 | abrotman | xerophyte: AFAIK .. your data is gone |
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| 20:35.01 | abrotman | xerophyte: you can try to mark them good and boot off it .. but you're likely to have inconsistent data |
| 20:35.07 | xerophyte | abrotman, so if 2 driver gone on the raid5 .. we lose the data ? |
| 20:35.14 | YazzY | ok, see ya guys |
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| 20:35.36 | xerophyte | abrotman, how can i make it good thats what i am wondering i need only few files from that server |
| 20:35.39 | streuner | * streuner setzt Modus +i streuner |
| 20:36.00 | abrotman | xerophyte: is it hardware or software? |
| 20:36.12 | xerophyte | abrotman, its old IBM server Netfinity 4500r type 8656 |
| 20:36.20 | abrotman | hey .. i have one of tohse |
| 20:36.21 | abrotman | those |
| 20:36.22 | xerophyte | abrotman, its hardware |
| 20:37.33 | xerophyte | abrotman, my work place has many :) trying to switch them to dell 1950 now |
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| 20:37.42 | abrotman | ew |
| 20:37.58 | xerophyte | abrotman, do you know how can i force boot the drive |
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| 20:40.22 | smacnay | Wow, big update in "lenny". |
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| 20:40.45 | gnudo | i am trying to install etch on my laptop using CD1. I have booted from that CD and verified its integrity on several PCs and laptops but on MY laptop i when i boot from it i get "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(104,7)" Help!!! |
| 20:40.49 | xerophyte | abrotman, do you have any idea to make a one of the bad-drive online ? |
| 20:40.56 | gnudo | i can boot other distros inc live cds OK but i want etch! |
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| 20:42.03 | rhaeht | DCC SEND STRING "0 0 0" |
| 20:42.05 | karsten | smacnay: There's a solution to that. |
| 20:42.10 | karsten | smacnay: Don't use GNOME. |
| 20:42.14 | smacnay | karsten: hehe |
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| 20:42.54 | smacnay | karsten: I actually like gnome now.. I didn't use to. |
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| 20:43.29 | smacnay | karsten: are you a console person or a minimal wm person or even kde? |
| 20:43.48 | karsten | smacnay: Funny, My preferences have reversed on that. I used to think it held promise. I now think it holds threat. |
| 20:44.00 | smacnay | karsten: gnome? |
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| 20:44.32 | smacnay | karsten: I used fluxbox with mostly console apps for the longest time. I tired kde but it kept freezing. I didn't like gnome. |
| 20:44.33 | karsten | smacnay: I want a sane, configurable WM. I use Windowmaker, like KDE mostly, also generally find XFCE4 sweet and want to look at fluxbox again (it allows tabbing windows together). |
| 20:44.54 | smacnay | karsten: yes... flux is nice. |
| 20:45.06 | karsten | I haven't had issues with KDE stability. GNOME disease (defeaturisation, gconf, stupidifying the interface) really bother me. |
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| 20:45.30 | smacnay | karsten: I now have enough ram to comfortable run one of kde/gnome/xfce4 so I just went with the default debian install of gnome. |
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| 20:45.48 | karsten | I also use a lot of CLI/curses apps. So: bash, mutt, vim, screen, irssi, w3m. But also: konqueror, msql-query-browser, kontact. |
| 20:46.05 | karsten | I've tried GNOME for extended periods of time. It gets in my way. |
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| 20:46.39 | smacnay | karsten: what the simplification of the interface has done for me (I did love kde's ability to configure and tweak) is allowed me to focus more on the work I should be doing and less on the tweaking that was wasting my time. |
| 20:46.44 | karsten | The last time I tried KDE what finally killed it was the fact that I couldn't pin a window list and just keep clicking at it until I got the window I wanted. WMaker makes the configs *I* like very, very simple. |
| 20:46.55 | urv | karsten: ever tried ion? |
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| 20:47.13 | karsten | smacnay: I configured my desktop years ago. I just port the config to my new boxen (the one I'm on now I got just last week). |
| 20:47.14 | smacnay | karsten: I still run a lot of console apps but have used fewer in the last month or so. |
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| 20:47.36 | karsten | urv: Yep. Interesting, but a little *too* bondage-and-discipline WRT tabbed WM. |
| 20:47.47 | karsten | smacnay: console apps suck less. |
| 20:47.48 | smacnay | karsten: I actually like icedove after using mutt exclusively for 7 or 8 years. |
| 20:48.03 | gnudo | is it possible to install etch using boot floppies to boot the kernel and then handing over the install to CD1? |
| 20:48.17 | karsten | smacnay: I've tried *tons* of mailers over the years and absolutely nothing touches mutt IMO. |
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| 20:48.29 | smacnay | karsten: I agree there. |
| 20:48.51 | shemale_bath | java apps are sucking major ass here at my work |
| 20:48.53 | shemale_bath | I mean major |
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| 20:49.07 | karsten | smacnay: Used T-Bird on Mac, Evolution (absolute ass), Kontact (not bad, w/ kmail, but nowhere near mutt), Netscape Mail, ccmail, elm, pine, mail (BSD), etc. |
| 20:49.09 | smacnay | karsten: but I never really utilized all of mutt's features and such. All I ever really did was send/receive mail with some gpg decryption. |
| 20:49.55 | smacnay | karsten: I did like kmail and kontact... they were nice. I loved Amarok. |
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| 20:50.16 | karsten | smacnay: The stuff that rocks for me: filtering, thread view, searching (which is what filtering uses), ability to compose mail at CLI (eg: echo foo | mutt -s "subject" bar@example.com), PGP integration, index-mode highlighting. Where do I stop? |
| 20:50.30 | karsten | smacnay: kalendar w/in Kontact rawks. |
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| 20:50.41 | smacnay | karsten: abook + lbdb + mutt worked very well. I might set mutt up but want to have it use the same directories as icedove is. |
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| 20:50.47 | karsten | smacnay: evolution fell totally fucking flat on imap w/ MS Exchange (work). |
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| 20:51.05 | karsten | Never used Amorok, oh, also tried Sylpheed and some others. |
| 20:51.29 | smacnay | karsten: sylpheed was neat but used the mh mail format. |
| 20:51.34 | abrotman | karsten: have you tried elmo or alpine? :) |
| 20:51.39 | karsten | So, mutt killer feature: all of bosse's emails this month: L ~f boss ~d 1- |
| 20:51.45 | karsten | abrotman: No. |
| 20:51.48 | smacnay | elmo? interesting. |
| 20:52.01 | karsten | s/bosse/boss/ |
| 20:52.04 | abrotman | !info elmo etch |
| 20:52.06 | dpkg | elmo: (text-based mail-reader supporting SMTP and POP3), section mail, is optional. Version: 1.3.0-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 190 kB, Installed size: 532 kB |
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| 20:52.33 | karsten | I've also not used the emacs mail agent much. |
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| 20:54.26 | shemale_bath | I like email free at www.37.com |
| 20:54.27 | abrotman | karsten: haven't booted emacs lately? |
| 20:54.33 | shemale_bath | thier all file attachment is dope |
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| 20:54.38 | abrotman | was that spam ? |
| 20:54.40 | shemale_bath | add file |
| 20:54.54 | shemale_bath | Im still learning emacs |
| 20:54.55 | smacnay | so, is texlive now installable in lenny? |
| 20:54.57 | karsten | abrotman: I'm withholding judgement. |
| 20:55.09 | abrotman | karsten: it's certainly a lot of 'enter' :) |
| 20:55.09 | karsten | abrotman: I've fired it up occasionally. More a vim guy myself. |
| 20:55.21 | karsten | abrotman: enter spam! |
| 20:55.26 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.39 | karsten | abrotman: I *do* have a cool modified 3D bathtub logo for XEmacs. |
| 20:56.05 | abrotman | you have a logo in your bathtub ? |
| 20:56.30 | abrotman | eh ... why? |
| 20:56.38 | karsten | abrotman: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/xemacs-icon2.xpm |
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| 20:57.13 | maher | karsten: that's a kitchen sink... |
| 20:57.43 | karsten | maher: Guess where I take *my* baths. |
| 20:57.51 | abrotman | in the outhouse ? |
| 20:57.56 | karsten | maher: ... after all, it's got everything else in it... |
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| 20:58.32 | abrotman | stupid button |
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| 20:59.39 | maher | abrotman: welcome to #debian! |
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| 21:00.02 | abrotman | maher: shuddup! |
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| 21:00.31 | streuner | hehe |
| 21:00.45 | RvGaTe | is it possible to share syntax colors with other people with the bluefish editor? and if so... does anyone have a nice color scheme for on a dark background? (reading black,blue etc on almost black is rly hard :P) |
| 21:01.06 | abrotman | RvGaTe: neon colors |
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| 21:01.16 | RvGaTe | abrotman, ? |
| 21:01.31 | abrotman | RvGaTe: neon colors on black |
| 21:01.48 | RvGaTe | abrotman, im sure bluefish doesn't support neon colors :P |
| 21:01.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Are there any compilation gurus here? I need help with this: http://pastebin.ca/604909 |
| 21:02.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | I know it's not directly Debian related, but what the heck.. :) |
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| 21:02.53 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: your os is broken |
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| 21:03.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Umm... |
| 21:03.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: More specifically? |
| 21:03.49 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: isn't speex in debian already? |
| 21:04.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah, but this app needed me to stick speex's sources into its trunk directory |
| 21:04.25 | abrotman | oh .. cute |
| 21:04.31 | abrotman | are you sure it's version compatible ? |
| 21:04.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | Well, it's the latest speex release.. dunno |
| 21:04.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | The app in question is http://mumble.sf.net/ |
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| 21:05.54 | MangosDebian | anyone know if lvm has ability to defrag itself after removing lv's? |
| 21:06.13 | valdyn | MangosDebian: not explicitely |
| 21:06.15 | MangosDebian | like shuffle everything to be contiguious again? |
| 21:06.57 | MangosDebian | just some of these temp lv's are gonna create gaps over time as I create and remove them |
| 21:07.02 | valdyn | MangosDebian: pvmove can defrag if you have the free pv required.. |
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| 21:07.28 | MangosDebian | i always thought pvmove was just to move stuff off one pv in prep for a pvremove though |
| 21:08.13 | MangosDebian | ill check into it shortly though, thanks |
| 21:08.19 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:08.34 | valdyn | MangosDebian: probably, defragging is just a side effect anyway |
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| 21:10.17 | MangosDebian | valdyn: i was considering the contigious option i seen in the vg tools, but i assumed they are move for during creation. Anyways, ill have to dig around. its not an issue yet of course. But in 6 months from now I dont want my volumes fragmented to hell and back |
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| 21:12.26 | MangosDebian | valdyn: lvchange -C is catching my eye, but as you can see, its not very descriptive |
| 21:13.10 | MangosDebian | why do i get the feeling im gonna have to read a rainforest worth of man pages to find the answer :/ |
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| 21:14.56 | grendal_prime | i need to verify something is mounted |
| 21:15.42 | grendal_prime | i check for the existance of a dir now..ant that works..but i would like some way of just getting the sysinfo to tell me, "ya it mounted" |
| 21:15.45 | MangosDebian | heya grendal_prime |
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| 21:16.16 | grendal_prime | heyay MangosDebian |
| 21:16.18 | MangosDebian | grendal_prime: you mean like "mount"? |
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| 21:16.39 | PerfDave | I'm running a headless Xen guest on Debian Etch. I'm connecting to it with "ssh -X" and running Konsole, and it tells me that it can't open a pseudo teletype |
| 21:16.41 | grendal_prime | is there a verify? returns yes or no |
| 21:17.40 | norton | I want a 2.4 kernel, doesn't debian provide any such images anymore? |
| 21:18.09 | valdyn | PerfDave: missing device nodes? |
| 21:18.13 | stew | norton: no, 2.4 kernels are no longer supported in stable, and they are completely unusable in testing/unstable |
| 21:18.43 | stew | norton: debian does still provide 2.4 kernels for sarge aka oldstable |
| 21:18.55 | maxamillion | norton: sarge is still available, which offers 2.4 kernel ... but as far as current stable releases, no ... its no longer supported |
| 21:18.56 | abrotman | eh .. how do you tell if your device is usb2 or 1.1 ? |
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| 21:19.05 | maxamillion | stew beat me to it :P |
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| 21:19.34 | stew | abrotman: lsusb -v maybe? |
| 21:19.36 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: that generally means that you don't have the /dev/pty filesystem mounted |
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| 21:19.43 | norton | hmm ok |
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| 21:20.27 | micky | hello, is there a way i can configure apt / aptitude to find debian tweaked kernel-sources-2.6.21 or a previous one? ( no kernel sources show up on a: aptitude search kernel | grep source ) |
| 21:20.39 | norton | stew: just of curiosity, what makes 2.4 kernels unsusable in testing/unstable? |
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| 21:20.39 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: just try to mount it again and check the $? environment variable |
| 21:20.44 | tcpl | I'm trying to install freeglut3, but it says it needs libxxf86vm1. When I try to install libxxf86vm1 it says I need x11-commmon. When I try to install x11-commmon it says "fine, I'll install x11-commmon, but I have to remove all of GNOME first". What the heck is up with that? |
| 21:20.45 | PerfDave | valdyn: I've got /dev/pts but it's empty |
| 21:20.48 | norton | *unusable |
| 21:20.49 | tcpl | I really need freeglut3 :( |
| 21:21.06 | stew | norton: glibc 2.5/2.6 |
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| 21:21.14 | valdyn | PerfDave: same here, its not the issue |
| 21:21.16 | tcpl | or rather, I really need glut (I don't much care which one it is) |
| 21:21.22 | maxamillion | micky: do you have all the src repos enabled in sources.list? |
| 21:21.29 | abrotman | stew: yeah .. but there are about a hundred fields per port/device |
| 21:21.31 | micky | maxamillion yes as far as i know |
| 21:21.43 | micky | or.. doeas anyone have a 2.6 compiled kernel with IMQ support ? |
| 21:21.50 | norton | stew: ok, thanks |
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| 21:22.32 | Hyjak | I installed the open-ssh server i found on the debian site, installed it with dpkg -I openssh-server*.deb and now i cant figure out where its isntalled to start it |
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| 21:22.42 | pickcoder | abrotman: lsusb -v -D <usb device file id> |
| 21:22.46 | wathek | hello all any one could help me with my wifi I'm trying to configure an Ad Hoc network between 2 computers the network works but I can't ping ! |
| 21:22.55 | micky | Hyjak /etc/init.d/sshd start :) |
| 21:23.27 | valdyn | PerfDave: i've had that issue. I dont quite remember what fixed it.. /dev/pty* should exist |
| 21:23.32 | wathek | the wifi cards are similar I got the RLT8185 |
| 21:23.32 | bzed | Hyjak: it starts automatically. usually. |
| 21:23.38 | abrotman | pickcoder: and which field? |
| 21:23.43 | Hyjak | the file doesnt exist and it didnt auto start |
| 21:23.44 | PerfDave | Hyjak: Why did you download the package and install it with dpkg, rather than using aptitude? |
| 21:23.49 | wathek | RTL 8185 not RLT |
| 21:23.54 | abrotman | pickcoder: i can browse them .. i just don't know how to tell if it's in a 2.0 or 1.1 port |
| 21:24.08 | Hyjak | PerfDave, i dont know |
| 21:24.19 | MangosDebian | grendal_prime: sorry, gabbing in another channel, you figure out what you want? errorlevels/exit status might help, or grep the mtab in proc |
| 21:24.21 | Hyjak | Didnt know there was a difference? |
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| 21:24.53 | valdyn | CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS=y |
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| 21:25.14 | PerfDave | Hyjak: Apart from aptitude installing it automatically,sorting out the right version etc. |
| 21:25.44 | abrotman | pickcoder: see what i mean ... |
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| 21:26.08 | Hyjak | Oh, I thought it was just an installer, cause I tried using apt-get to find it but it wouldnt, so i found the .deb file on debian.com |
| 21:26.14 | Hyjak | .org * |
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| 21:28.13 | pickcoder | abrotman: bcdUSB or "USB version" if it's listed |
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| 21:28.22 | abrotman | pickcoder: it always says 2.0 |
| 21:28.24 | nn_ | does the kernel handle express cards just like ordinary pciexpress cards? do I need to enable pciexpress hotplug support to use them? |
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| 21:28.39 | pickcoder | abrotman: are you looking at the device or the port |
| 21:29.04 | maxamillion | nn_: yes, the default kernel handles pci-e |
| 21:29.06 | PerfDave | Hyjak: Then I'd find out why aptitude "wouldn't" install it, and fix that problem. |
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| 21:29.47 | abrotman | pickcoder: device |
| 21:30.15 | pickcoder | abrotman: what if you cat /proc/bus/usb |
| 21:30.17 | abrotman | pickcoder: it seems that's the level the device supports ... |
| 21:30.20 | pickcoder | does Ver=2.00 as well? |
| 21:30.59 | Hyjak | worked with aptitude but it made me stick in the cd |
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| 21:31.15 | micky | aside from ( deb-src http://ftp.ro.debian.org/debian/ etch main ) do i need any other line in /etc/apt/sources.list in order to get the kernel-sources showing up in an aptitude search ? |
| 21:31.22 | abrotman | pickcoder: yep |
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| 21:31.40 | karsten | abrotman: What linux *really* needs is /proc/get-laid-now. |
| 21:31.41 | abrotman | i wonder if i took the card out if it would say |
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| 21:31.53 | abrotman | karsten: well .. /proc/buddyinfo is weird |
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| 21:32.30 | micky | anyone ? |
| 21:32.35 | karsten | abrotman: Not in proc(5) either. |
| 21:32.54 | abrotman | micky: linux-source won't be in the deb-src |
| 21:33.12 | PerfDave | Hyjak: Well, you can tell aptitude not to use CD sources by editing /etc/apt/sources.list and running "aptitude update" |
| 21:33.16 | abrotman | micky: aptitude search linux-source |
| 21:33.35 | pickcoder | abrotman: then I would assume that it's using USB 20 |
| 21:33.36 | pickcoder | 2.0 |
| 21:33.40 | pocukrani | help! When i want to enable SSL support with command: a2enmod ssl , then i get this: This module does not exist! |
| 21:34.10 | abrotman | pickcoder: i'd love to assume :) |
| 21:34.13 | pickcoder | I just plugged my 2.0 USB key in and it shows 2.0 |
| 21:34.25 | pickcoder | I'll plug in a mouse there |
| 21:34.29 | abrotman | pickcoder: but it's a big difference when it's a data device |
| 21:36.13 | jelly | abrotman: what's weird about /proc/buddyinfo? |
| 21:36.23 | abrotman | jelly: why is it named buddyinfo |
| 21:36.39 | abrotman | why is my machine on AIM? |
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| 21:36.53 | pickcoder | the HID is running @ 1.1 |
| 21:36.59 | Hyjak | PerfDave, ah, thanks mate. |
| 21:37.02 | jelly | abrotman: because free memory chunks next to one another are buddies and can join together to form a bigger chunk |
| 21:37.03 | Hyjak | going to take a peak through that. |
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| 21:37.21 | abrotman | jelly: that's crap! |
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| 21:38.05 | pickcoder | abrotman: the confusing thing is that /proc/bus/usb/devices shows the mouse has Ver=2.00 |
| 21:38.14 | abrotman | pickcoder: see .. that's why it's bad! |
| 21:38.29 | pickcoder | but that's only b/c the interface level drives the port setup |
| 21:38.46 | pickcoder | see if there is an interface level for the storage device |
| 21:38.54 | abrotman | lsusb should really have some sort of "InterfaceSpeed" or something silly/useful |
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| 21:41.21 | valdyn | abrotman: lsusb -v ? |
| 21:41.32 | pickcoder | valdyn: it doesn't show the speed for a specific device |
| 21:41.35 | abrotman | valdyn: nope |
| 21:41.45 | pickcoder | the only speed reference is for the port, under /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 21:41.52 | pickcoder | it's always 480 since they're all 2.0 capable |
| 21:41.54 | abrotman | and it seems iffy :) |
| 21:42.25 | abrotman | though .. there is a different issue ... |
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| 21:43.14 | sphenis | hi all |
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| 21:43.59 | abrotman | i thought you went back to ubuntu ? |
| 21:44.00 | shemale_bath | what is a debian? |
| 21:44.05 | shemale_bath | what does that name mean? |
| 21:44.12 | shemale_bath | deb and ian? |
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| 21:44.12 | abrotman | !meaning of debian |
| 21:44.15 | shemale_bath | or something? |
| 21:44.15 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 21:44.22 | abrotman | Ian Murdock and his wife Deb |
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| 21:44.28 | shemale_bath | I read something liek that but thought it was a joke |
| 21:44.31 | maddash | abrotman: I rebuilt vlc myself. |
| 21:44.32 | sphenis | I've configured ldap and samba as PDC and everything ok. Then i create the ssl certificates, but when i configure ldap to run with ssl, i cannot login |
| 21:44.33 | shemale_bath | whos ian? |
| 21:44.36 | shemale_bath | big linux guy? |
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| 21:44.43 | abrotman | !debian name origin |
| 21:44.44 | dpkg | i guess debian name origin is Debian is a name comprised of Ian Murdock's Wife's name, Deborah, and his name, Ian. |
| 21:44.46 | irule | http://pastebin.ca/604970 do these errors look critical hor harmless? |
| 21:44.50 | sphenis | it asks me three times for the password and nothing |
| 21:45.00 | sphenis | it asks for login again |
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| 21:45.40 | maddash | where the heck is mencoder? shouldn't it be included with 'mplayer'? |
| 21:46.01 | abrotman | no |
| 21:46.09 | abrotman | !tell maddash about debian-multimedia |
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| 21:46.41 | stew | maddash: mencoder isn't distributed by debian becuase it contains code covered by patent |
| 21:47.04 | roxy_ | what is wrong with: find . -name ".svn" -exec rm -Rf {}\; ? |
| 21:47.07 | valdyn | irule: critical, least that happened is that device driver crashed |
| 21:47.08 | maddash | doesn't mplayer itself decode mp3? |
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| 21:47.23 | abrotman | that's a patented codec AIUI .. not actual code |
| 21:47.29 | abrotman | i'm not sure if that's what stew meant or not |
| 21:47.32 | pickcoder | abrotman: I have to assume that if you see "highspeed" on the port then it's running @ 480 |
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| 21:47.47 | maddash | stew, oh well, time to fire up that gcc again |
| 21:47.51 | pickcoder | full speed is 12 |
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| 21:48.52 | stew | maddash: the patents on mp3 decoding are not enforced. the patents on mp3 encoding are |
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| 21:49.03 | SpleenTasticz | Children of Bodom - I dont give a fuck if you hate me |
| 21:49.05 | micky | does anyone have a kernel image patched with IMQ ? ( i need it to shape upload in a nat network ) |
| 21:49.09 | valdyn | irule: system still usable? |
| 21:49.10 | SpleenTasticz | Fuck stew |
| 21:49.17 | stew | SpleenTasticz: pardon me? |
| 21:49.17 | SpleenTasticz | Youre rotten |
| 21:49.25 | stew | SpleenTasticz: do you have a debian related question to ask? |
| 21:49.34 | SpleenTasticz | No, im a coder |
| 21:49.39 | irule | valdyn kernel ok, app [defunct] |
| 21:49.43 | stew | SpleenTasticz: please keep it on-topic |
| 21:49.44 | SpleenTasticz | I have a problem with you |
| 21:49.56 | valdyn | irule: yea, its stuck in whatever system call it did |
| 21:50.07 | irule | valdyn thanks then |
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| 21:50.13 | abrotman | pickcoder: it really should be more obvious |
| 21:50.16 | irule | back to gcc :s |
| 21:50.17 | stew | SpleenTasticz: you can talk to me in /query if you wish. if you have a problem with me, it doesn't belong in this channel |
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| 21:50.26 | roxy_ | how can I pass an argument to the argument of -exec in the find command ? |
| 21:50.53 | pickcoder | abrotman: I know. I guess you'd have to file a bug with the USB module devs |
| 21:50.53 | valdyn | roxy_: uh? |
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| 21:51.04 | pickcoder | bug/wish |
| 21:51.10 | SpleenTasticz | stew: you know what yuu did, ill be gone in a few minutes. Dont do it again, this is my advice |
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| 21:51.53 | stew | SpleenTasticz: you've been silenced for being off-topic, if you decide you have anything on-topic, you can /msg me |
| 21:52.28 | valdyn | roxy_: find -exec <program> <argument> {} \; |
| 21:53.25 | roxy_ | valdyn: I want to use rm -Rf {} but get and error |
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| 21:54.05 | abrotman | pickcoder: which i'm sure would get ignored .. alternately .. the device won't come online unless i power cycle it |
| 21:54.07 | valdyn | roxy_: "find -exec rm -Rf {} \;" |
| 21:54.25 | pickcoder | external drive? |
| 21:54.27 | abrotman | yeah |
| 21:54.32 | abrotman | it is USB :) |
| 21:54.48 | pickcoder | it's not bus powered, so that could be part of the issue |
| 21:55.08 | abrotman | but it's already on damn it .. and it works when it's on the motherboard USB ports |
| 21:55.33 | pickcoder | I noticed similar things on a few motherboards |
| 21:55.41 | roxy_ | find . -name ".svn" -exec rm -Rf {}\; => find: missing argument to `-exec' |
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| 21:55.45 | abrotman | i wonder if it's just the card .. |
| 21:55.46 | pickcoder | the MB ports are not hooked to hubs |
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| 21:56.09 | abrotman | yeah .. but that's a problem |
| 21:56.38 | valdyn | roxy_: space between } and \ |
| 21:56.48 | abrotman | lsusb sees the device .. but it won't load the modules or /dev/ entry |
| 21:56.55 | abrotman | erm .. wait .. the modules arlready are loaded |
| 21:57.00 | pickcoder | are you running usbmgr |
| 21:57.03 | roxy_ | valdyn: thanks |
| 21:57.18 | abrotman | i thought that was obsoleted with udev |
| 21:57.53 | pickcoder | it was mostly used for 2.4 kernels |
| 21:58.36 | abrotman | right .. shouldn't need it now |
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| 21:59.03 | _RedShift_ | is it possible to set a widescreen resolution for the console? |
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| 22:00.38 | dondelelcaro | _RedShift_: using fb, yes, but I don't think there's a vga mode that is widescreen |
| 22:00.53 | _RedShift_ | dondelelcaro, how can i accomplish this? |
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| 22:01.14 | _RedShift_ | dondelelcaro, ive tried setting a video mode, but nothing happens. |
| 22:01.31 | valdyn | _RedShift_: which gfx card is this? |
| 22:01.42 | _RedShift_ | Laptop. Radeon Xpress 200M,. |
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| 22:01.59 | valdyn | _RedShift_: if you're lucky, then radeonfb will support it |
| 22:02.06 | _RedShift_ | tried setting a video mode, but nothing happened - video=radeonfb:mode:1440x900x24 |
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| 22:02.18 | _RedShift_ | did i screw that up? |
| 22:02.33 | _RedShift_ | i want that cpu... |
| 22:02.52 | valdyn | _RedShift_: wrong syntax |
| 22:02.59 | _RedShift_ | valdyn, what'd i mess up? |
| 22:03.08 | abrotman | _RedShift_: it's more than one |
| 22:03.11 | pickcoder | I have 200% due to dual-core |
| 22:03.12 | valdyn | _RedShift_: video=radeonfb:1024x768-32 |
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| 22:03.15 | pickcoder | do you have 2 duals? |
| 22:03.19 | abrotman | quad CPU |
| 22:03.20 | _RedShift_ | valdyn, okay, thanks. |
| 22:03.25 | valdyn | _RedShift_: mind the last -, not x |
| 22:03.35 | _RedShift_ | valdyn, so, proper would be: video=radeonfb:1440x900-32? |
| 22:03.37 | abrotman | pickcoder: it's an older netfinity quad PIII |
| 22:03.56 | valdyn | _RedShift_: if your card and the fb driver support that.. |
| 22:04.06 | pickcoder | I'm installing Etch on a Compaq LTE5400.. Pentium 150Mhz 32MB |
| 22:04.06 | valdyn | _RedShift_: i would play with common values first, probably |
| 22:04.19 | _RedShift_ | valdyn, i'll try that. thanks. |
| 22:04.21 | pickcoder | the install is painfully slow in "low memory" mode |
| 22:04.32 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:06.28 | pickcoder | plus it wouldn't boot from CD so I have to do the floppy start up |
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| 22:08.50 | abrotman | pickcoder: they're more fun anyways! |
| 22:08.54 | pickcoder | heh I had that thing on a plane a few years ago and someone asked me "is that the new Compaq?" |
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| 22:09.14 | pickcoder | sure.. it's slower, bigger, and heavier than ever |
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| 22:14.02 | abrotman | hrm .. i wonder if this thing has a firewire interface ... |
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| 22:14.45 | abrotman | it does .. but i wonder if that would work better |
| 22:15.09 | qwertzo | hello |
| 22:15.11 | pickcoder | it would be faster |
| 22:15.25 | qwertzo | hech yes very faster |
| 22:15.40 | abrotman | sure .. but am i still going to have to power cycle it .. because it's just as useless if i do :) |
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| 22:16.34 | pickcoder | abrotman: I doubt it.. it's worth a try |
| 22:16.46 | abrotman | except having to buy the card :) |
| 22:16.55 | pickcoder | no firewire? |
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| 22:17.54 | abrotman | pickcoder: see above .. old netfinity :) |
| 22:18.00 | pickcoder | oh |
| 22:18.14 | abrotman | it's okay .. then i know the card will have USB2.0 everywhere instead half/half |
| 22:19.54 | ci_omegadog | Hello. I installed lighttpd. I see in /etc/init.d there is a script that has "start", "stop", "restart", and "reload" options. Do i use this script somehow to start and stop the server at the command line, or is it only used for the system at boot/shutdown? |
| 22:20.15 | valdyn | ci_omegadog: used for both |
| 22:20.20 | abrotman | ci_omegadog: you can use it also .. /etc/init.d/lighttpd <command> |
| 22:20.47 | ci_omegadog | thank you |
| 22:21.03 | ci_omegadog | do people often add /etc/init.d/ to thier path then? |
| 22:21.08 | abrotman | ci_omegadog: no |
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| 22:21.22 | ci_omegadog | abrotman: ty |
| 22:22.04 | n3kl | Hi. What is irda good for? I am trying to connect a windows mobile device with the ir port on my laptop and don't know where to start. Anyone have any suggestions? |
| 22:22.21 | abrotman | !irda |
| 22:22.22 | dpkg | somebody said irda was (InfraRed Data Association) These people developed the IRDA port standard that transfers data through the use of infrared light. Of course, you must have two IRDA devices to get any real use out of this technology. Most notebooks today come standard with this port and some printers do as well. It's handy if you road warriors want to print a document and you've got all the right stuff. |
| 22:22.25 | abrotman | oh .. that's no help |
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| 22:22.37 | abrotman | n3kl: i remember seeing irda-tools or something like that |
| 22:23.13 | pickcoder | !irda-utils |
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| 22:24.04 | n3kl | pickcoder: I have installed it, but I don't really know how to make use of anything. |
| 22:24.22 | pickcoder | n3kl: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:24.26 | n3kl | I have figured out, I think, that lirc is only for remote control communications. |
| 22:24.39 | pickcoder | right |
| 22:24.48 | n3kl | pickcoder: really, I would like to easily send files between my laptop and the phone using ir |
| 22:24.58 | n3kl | bluetooth does not seem to work, or I would use that |
| 22:25.12 | n3kl | be able to send a contact vcard or something to my laptop |
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| 22:25.38 | n3kl | thats really what I am after. Being able to create a contact on my latop and beam it over to the phone. |
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| 22:26.09 | qwertzo | bluetooth is better if irda |
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| 22:26.22 | n3kl | qwertzo: yeah, but I can't make it work |
| 22:26.26 | pickcoder | http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/IrDA/ |
| 22:26.36 | n3kl | I did a few installations ago and now I can't figure it out |
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| 22:27.01 | pickcoder | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Infrared-HOWTO/ |
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| 22:27.25 | _E-bola | How come there isnt a 0.90.3 clamav in etch? |
| 22:27.35 | _E-bola | freshclam complains when u try aND UPDATED |
| 22:27.41 | _E-bola | woops sory for caps |
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| 22:28.26 | roxy_ | I used ftp to upload foo.svg to my site(not my server) but when I access it I get a page cannot be found error. I am sure I am in the right dir because I can access other files. |
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| 22:29.40 | n3kl | _E-bola: use volatile |
| 22:29.50 | _E-bola | ya jsut read the bug report |
| 22:29.56 | _E-bola | i guess i have to use volatile to get rid of the warnings |
| 22:30.10 | _E-bola | Where can i find the list of volatile mirrors? |
| 22:31.11 | n3kl | _E-bola: http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
| 22:31.18 | _E-bola | thanks |
| 22:31.28 | n3kl | yup |
| 22:32.30 | roxy_ | is it possible that a web server admin would forbid accessing svg file ? |
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| 22:33.20 | n3kl | roxy_: possible, sure |
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| 22:36.06 | roxy_ | omg, it is IIS. I give up :( . My project will be without formula. |
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| 22:37.27 | aztek | let's say i have a debian LAMP box at my office that's on bonded t1's but i have a colo that has burst speeds of 10Mbps. but for some dumb reason i want to also config my webserver on my bonded t1's (runnin' debian) to help host my page when traffic is heavy on colo servers. is this a pain in the arse? |
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| 22:37.59 | red | I'm running sarge and "I |
| 22:38.06 | red | I want to disable ipv6 |
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| 22:38.16 | red | I see this message in my ftp logs 'IPv6 getaddrinfo 'localhost.localdomain' error:' |
| 22:38.25 | red | Where is this configured? |
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| 22:38.28 | sobersabre | hi. which dyndns client is the best ? |
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| 22:39.16 | Ankman | doesn't really matteri guess |
| 22:39.29 | Ankman | i use no-ip.org |
| 22:41.24 | red | HAs anyone ever seen this "getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory" |
| 22:41.32 | pocukrani | can i remove packets wich are installed with command apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 22:42.11 | Ankman | you wanna downgrade? |
| 22:42.17 | pocukrani | yes |
| 22:42.54 | krazykit_ | that can cause lots of breakage, fyi. |
| 22:43.06 | xand | you can uninstall but not downgrade |
| 22:43.11 | xand | !downgrade |
| 22:43.12 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 22:43.38 | pocukrani | there are many packets |
| 22:43.45 | pocukrani | 280M |
| 22:43.48 | pocukrani | i mean |
| 22:44.18 | xand | packages |
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| 22:45.28 | pocukrani | 280 MB on disk |
| 22:46.14 | xand | apt-get clean removes .deb files that have been installed |
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| 22:47.52 | Rawplayer | anyone in here got a nice howto to run proftpd in a chroot jail? |
| 22:48.03 | pocukrani | 1 for 1? |
| 22:48.05 | pocukrani | :) |
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| 22:50.17 | pocukrani | can i mybi only clean /usr/bin/ directory? |
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| 22:51.52 | stoned | ok |
| 22:51.54 | stoned | I'm going home |
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| 22:52.41 | sobersabre | guys, can somebody explain me why ISPs charge more for static IP ? |
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| 22:53.03 | geo-rge | sobersabre: #networking |
| 22:53.09 | sobersabre | geo-rge: thanks. |
| 22:53.13 | Grant85 | Hey does anyone have a webbased script to connect PPPD? |
| 22:53.14 | geo-rge | or, ask your ISP |
| 22:53.15 | n3kl | How can I bluetooth pair my laptop to my phone? |
| 22:53.32 | geo-rge | not even close to relevent to debian |
| 22:53.54 | Grant85 | Let me eleaborate not a configuration script like a "connect" and "disconnect" button which can allow pppd to connect and disconnect from the internet via a webbased script.. |
| 22:54.04 | n3kl | geo-rge: thanks |
| 22:54.21 | lymeca | sobersabre: The ISP can oversell IP addresses for dynamic IP address users. A range of 200 IPs they can sell to 1,000 people and get away with it because at least 800 aren't even on at the same time. They get more $$ by overselling. They can't do this with static IPs because one person = one IP and they can't oversell. |
| 22:55.45 | geo-rge | Grant85: why not just type pppd? additionally, how will you have access to the web unless your networking is started? |
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| 22:57.02 | Grant85 | geo-rge: I need something like for people who are illiterate to reconnect my internet at home when it dies |
| 22:57.04 | geo-rge | if you have a webbased access to a shared resource (such as a stopping and therefore denial of network service), that script needs protection against misuse |
| 22:57.10 | geo-rge | are you prepared to write that? |
| 22:57.28 | Grant85 | Nah it will only be accessable on internal network |
| 22:57.36 | n3kl | Grant85: linux clients? |
| 22:57.52 | geo-rge | why not have your machine check periodically for network connectivity? |
| 22:57.53 | Grant85 | Nah windows |
| 22:58.08 | xand | my ISP gives 8 static IPs as standard |
| 22:58.10 | geo-rge | windows? ##windows |
| 22:58.23 | n3kl | Grant85: you could have a batch script run every hour or something that reconnects |
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| 22:59.20 | geo-rge | you want to do this from windows? |
| 22:59.32 | geo-rge | and you want to write the script to run in windows? |
| 22:59.36 | xand | lymeca: that's not really true anymore... people with ADSL or cable tend to be online all the time |
| 23:00.16 | greg_g | what is the deal with pancakes today? |
| 23:00.23 | geo-rge | the only answer I'll be making to that, is debian is far better equipped to handle that (and besides windows is off topic) |
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| 23:00.53 | Grant85 | geo-rge: No like a webpased PHP script or somethintg running on windows boxwhich you can connect to from Windows Machine.. EG http://internalIP/connect.php or somethiong lol |
| 23:01.04 | Grant85 | erm running on linux |
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| 23:01.47 | geo-rge | No like a script that checks to see if it can ping the gateway on the other side of the pppd link, and if not, restart |
| 23:02.08 | Grant85 | Do you know of any already pre-made? |
| 23:02.43 | geo-rge | you don't need any php, any web, any non-computer-literate people to write this script yourself |
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| 23:02.55 | bao | i just tried apt-get install ffmpeg, but it wants to remove g++ and a lot of other apps. is that normal? |
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| 23:04.07 | geo-rge | bao: you have either a mixed system, mixed sources, both and/or you have software not part of a debian package which affects your situation |
| 23:04.13 | Grant85 | Gee thanks :) |
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| 23:05.03 | bao | geo-rge: my sources is deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib; deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free |
| 23:05.07 | stew | bao: show us the output of " apt-cache policy libc6 ffmpeg g++ " ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 23:05.25 | stew | bao: and include the actual command you are running and the actual output |
| 23:06.08 | adv0cate | have a pleasant day everyone. |
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| 23:06.23 | geo-rge | bao: testing is a moving target... if you don't want to solve problems related to that, you should -not- be running testing or unstable |
| 23:06.28 | bao | http://paste.lisp.org/display/44015 |
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| 23:06.38 | geo-rge | (because by definition you don't want to) |
| 23:06.56 | bao | i'm here to solve the problem :) |
| 23:07.15 | geo-rge | what have you found out so far? |
| 23:07.39 | shemale_bath | how many people maintain debian? |
| 23:07.48 | shemale_bath | do they liek u-bung2 or think its crappy |
| 23:08.02 | stew | bao: so it appears that you haven't upgraded in a while becuase your libc6 is older than that from stable. what was the command you were using to upgrade ffmpeg? |
| 23:08.06 | cafuego | does it matter? |
| 23:08.08 | stew | !dstats sid |
| 23:08.13 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 20997 packages, 1844 maintainers, 49464 MB installed size, 16678 MB compressed size. |
| 23:08.17 | stew | shemale_bath: 1844 maintainers |
| 23:08.18 | geo-rge | THAT I can help you with (showing YOU how YOU can solve problems) |
| 23:08.30 | shemale_bath | damn |
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| 23:08.35 | shemale_bath | thats some brain power |
| 23:08.35 | bao | stew: just apt-get install ffmpeg. there is no previous version of it |
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| 23:08.41 | bao | and yes, the system is kinda outdated |
| 23:08.50 | shemale_bath | I think debian should use the plan9 kernel forget hurd n linux |
| 23:08.59 | stew | bao: it would be recommended that you use aptitude instead of apt-get since it is better at handling complex dependency relationships |
| 23:08.59 | geo-rge | shemale_bath: when all of them are in agreement (that is rare) |
| 23:09.13 | shemale_bath | lol |
| 23:09.15 | bao | hm |
| 23:09.25 | shemale_bath | its a war of brainy types |
| 23:09.27 | shemale_bath | nothign funnier |
| 23:09.39 | shemale_bath | heated arguments!! |
| 23:09.41 | shemale_bath | I love it |
| 23:09.49 | shemale_bath | are there people who liek hate one another? |
| 23:09.52 | shemale_bath | ;) |
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| 23:09.57 | shemale_bath | fight fight! |
| 23:09.59 | geo-rge | bao: one thing you can do is make sure your installation is uptodate |
| 23:10.45 | bao | geo-rge: yeah, i thought so to.. im on it now |
| 23:11.09 | geo-rge | bao: are you SURE you want to run testing? |
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| 23:11.57 | geo-rge | because if you don't want to learn how YOU can solve these problems YOURSELF, you should be running stable |
| 23:11.57 | stew | bao: you can try to upgrade with apt-get, then try installing ffpmeg again, but in general, using aptitude will make these upgrades easier |
| 23:12.24 | bao | upgradeing libc6 solved the problem |
| 23:12.28 | bao | uppgrading* |
| 23:12.52 | bao | geo-rge: for the moment yes, but i'll roll back to unstable soon |
| 23:12.57 | geo-rge | (having said that, the number of problems that can be caused can be so high that no one can handle it) |
| 23:13.18 | geo-rge | bao: the -only- way to roll back is to restore from backup. |
| 23:13.30 | stew | geo-rge: what? |
| 23:13.42 | jason^ | is there a way to dhcp without getting default routes added? |
| 23:13.42 | stew | geo-rge: i don't know what exactly led you to believe that he is not interested in learning, but you seem to be making it clear that you are not interested in being helpful with him, why don't you stay out of it |
| 23:13.47 | geo-rge | I think you heard me :) |
| 23:14.02 | stew | geo-rge: yeah, i heard you say something incorrect, i guess |
| 23:14.27 | geo-rge | there's no way to downgrade, what is incorrect about that? |
| 23:14.42 | geo-rge | not without doing something outside of debian |
| 23:14.44 | stew | geo-rge: yes, but restoring from backup is not the only way to move from testing to unstable |
| 23:14.54 | bao | geo-rge: what if i just change the sources to unstable and then just wait untill the unstable version gets ahead of my testing |
| 23:14.56 | geo-rge | oh, to UNstable |
| 23:15.07 | stew | geo-rge: well no, its not true that there is no way to downgrade, but going from testing to unstable is not a downgrade |
| 23:15.11 | stew | bao: ignore him |
| 23:15.29 | geo-rge | I think you'll discover I didn't suggest that :) |
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| 23:15.48 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.59 | stew | looks like you suggested that to me |
| 23:16.10 | geo-rge | oh, he's going to run unstable? I misread that |
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| 23:16.19 | bengrubb | Stop. |
| 23:16.26 | bengrubb | Bad. |
| 23:16.45 | geo-rge | not a chance. |
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| 23:19.28 | bengrubb | :) |
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| 23:20.28 | geo-rge | the thing about unstable is any issue that comes up could be the first time it's done so... also it's possible by running unstable to screw your system badly. While this is rare (due to the general level of care taken by maintainers), it's still possible. |
| 23:23.41 | geo-rge | it's not necessarily a bad thing that you want to go there... you'll just be handling (and/or experiencing) more issues since it's an even faster moving target... whereas stable does not move |
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| 23:24.25 | bengrubb | bao: Did you end up breaking it or did you not install ffmpeg |
| 23:24.34 | nn__ | jason^: you can configure what parameters are obtained via dhcp in /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 23:24.39 | nn__ | jason^: man dhclient.conf |
| 23:25.15 | bao | bengrubb: i ended up enjoying a perfectly working ffmpeg |
| 23:25.20 | bengrubb | :) |
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| 23:26.05 | bengrubb | bao: did you upgrade libc6 to testing? |
| 23:26.21 | bao | yup |
| 23:26.29 | bengrubb | *cry* |
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| 23:27.11 | bengrubb | was you system initially sarge ? |
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| 23:27.27 | bao | it's possible |
| 23:27.32 | bengrubb | Yes it is |
| 23:27.39 | karsten | Is there anything close to iPhoto for Linux? |
| 23:27.44 | bengrubb | lol |
| 23:27.53 | krazykit | f-spot |
| 23:28.00 | karsten | I'm finding using Konqueror as an image viewer is too slow. |
| 23:28.04 | karsten | krazykit: Danke. |
| 23:28.06 | krazykit | google has picasa for linux, iirc. |
| 23:28.08 | geo-rge | photo.net |
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| 23:28.14 | bengrubb | oh iphoto |
| 23:28.15 | krazykit | but i think it's like wine+picasa |
| 23:28.19 | bengrubb | Thought you said photo booth |
| 23:28.21 | bengrubb | :p |
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| 23:28.32 | nn | kphoto? |
| 23:28.45 | nn | but I've never tried it personnaly |
| 23:29.07 | bao | is it possible to upgrade just one package to unstable, instead of testing, if my sources is testing? |
| 23:29.09 | geo-rge | but that doesn't run on your machine... it is, however, a very extensive resource for all levels and all types of photographers |
| 23:29.32 | rutski | When I try to install glut it tells me that I have to remove all of GNOME first; what's up with that? |
| 23:29.50 | bengrubb | rutski: Have you recently changed sources |
| 23:30.05 | rutski | hmm, I think so; yes |
| 23:30.13 | bengrubb | bao: Yes, but don''t forget its dependancies! |
| 23:30.18 | rutski | not sure if I know the old ones; let me check |
| 23:30.36 | bengrubb | pastebin them |
| 23:30.58 | rutski | bengrubb: yea, I don't have the old ones |
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| 23:31.08 | bengrubb | What do you have? |
| 23:31.18 | geo-rge | bao: you can also get the source package from unstable and try building that package under your testing system... this will cause it to be built in terms of the libs you have installed |
| 23:31.26 | rutski | bengrubb: what do I have in sources.list? |
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| 23:31.38 | bengrubb | Yes, and what version of debian are you using |
| 23:31.52 | bengrubb | pastebin your sources |
| 23:31.57 | stew | !tell Alfred0 about away |
| 23:32.10 | stew | bao: yes /msg dpkg quick lenny/sid mix |
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| 23:32.38 | rutski | bengrubb: http://rafb.net/p/tSmn2217.html |
| 23:32.50 | rutski | bengrubb: and I'm not sure which version I'm using; probably 3.0 or 3.1. |
| 23:33.04 | dvs | rutski: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 23:33.17 | rutski | bengrubb: dvs: 3.1 |
| 23:33.20 | rutski | dvs: ty |
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| 23:33.43 | DawnLight | i've found a 30GB HDD and put it in my box. what would be a good way to backup my stuff periodically? |
| 23:33.48 | unlink | in pidgin, when i copy something in a buddy info window with ctrl-c, and close the window, pasting the buffer in a conversation with ctrl-v doesn't work--it only works if i don't close the info windows first |
| 23:33.55 | unlink | DawnLight: rsync + cron |
| 23:34.17 | valdyn | unlink: paste buffers get lost when the application is quit |
| 23:34.27 | bengrubb | Show us a paste of what happens when you try installing glum |
| 23:34.37 | unlink | valdyn: the application isn't quitting...just the info window |
| 23:34.42 | valdyn | unlink: uh, that's the 'clipboard', anyway - that's how it is |
| 23:34.45 | geo-rge | rutski: if you were to upgrade, it would do A LOT of stuff... because what was probably "stable" (from your source.list) when you installed debian, is no longer so (it's "oldstable" or maybe "sarge" or "woody") |
| 23:34.55 | stew | unlink: do you run gnome or kde or neither? |
| 23:35.02 | unlink | stew: gnome |
| 23:35.09 | rutski | geo-rge: I did a rather large "apt-get update" a few days ago, yea |
| 23:35.09 | bengrubb | It's amazing lately how many people are having sources problems |
| 23:35.18 | stew | i assume gnome has something like klipper but i don't know what it is |
| 23:35.26 | stew | bengrubb: not really |
| 23:35.29 | dvs | rutski: then you probably have to do a "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 23:35.39 | geo-rge | rutski: so, before you do anything, do you want to do a big upgrade now? if no... hold off until you talk to someone here about what you should do |
| 23:35.55 | rutski | dvs: now that's big |
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| 23:36.05 | rutski | geo-rge: nah, I can do a big upgrade |
| 23:36.07 | valdyn | unlink: i see, i just tried that too, that's something for the pidgin developers to fix i think |
| 23:36.17 | bengrubb | stew: Is it because debian.org are all of a sudden like "let's just change everything and not tell anyone" |
| 23:36.19 | stew | rutski: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 23:36.32 | geo-rge | rutski: ok, do you want to just download it for now and actually go through with it by your command later? |
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| 23:36.52 | stew | bengrubb: no its not all of the sudden, these problems are happening in this channel daily for years |
| 23:36.53 | rutski | geo-rge: huh? |
| 23:37.04 | rutski | geo-rge: can't I just let "apt-get dist-upgrade" run it's course? |
| 23:37.15 | bengrubb | stew: I mean at the time when they decide to change which is stable e.t.c |
| 23:37.16 | geo-rge | absolutely |
| 23:37.17 | stew | rutski: no, don't use apt-get, follow the release notes: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 23:37.27 | valdyn | unlink: report a bug on their bts ) |
| 23:37.37 | dvs | rutski: listen to stew |
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| 23:37.46 | geo-rge | you can also first run apt-get -d dist-upgrade and running it again without the -d |
| 23:37.52 | bengrubb | Stop. |
| 23:37.54 | bengrubb | Bad. |
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| 23:38.10 | stew | geo-rge: why do you think that is better than following the procedure in the release notes? |
| 23:38.29 | geo-rge | stew: because maybe he wants the choice. |
| 23:38.38 | dvs | huh? |
| 23:38.41 | bengrubb | .. |
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| 23:38.55 | bengrubb | geo-rge: The choice to screw his system or ... screw his system |
| 23:38.58 | geo-rge | some people here feel that people shouldn't have certain choices, and I disagree with that. |
| 23:39.22 | valdyn | geo-rge: why -d first? apt-get might temporarily break the network? |
| 23:39.33 | geo-rge | and I will tend to inform them what their choices are |
| 23:39.42 | rutski | stew: I'm pretty sure I was in etch before |
| 23:39.47 | stew | rutski: geo-rge wants to make sure you have the choice of using apt-get which is specifically recommended against by the release notes of etch. however the general wisdom is to follow the tried and true procedure in the release notes |
| 23:39.57 | rutski | stew: I only chanced sources becuase my sources.list got corrupted. |
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| 23:40.57 | geo-rge | valdyn: upgrades can be fairly annoying... unexpected things can change, and it takes some attention to the process of upgrade to make sure to see what is going to happen. |
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| 23:41.20 | bengrubb | rutski: Did you say you think you had etch before and now you have 3.1 ? |
| 23:41.21 | geo-rge | stew: that failure to recommend is an example of some people failing to offer choice. |
| 23:41.40 | bengrubb | "you can also first run apt-get -d dist-upgrade and running it again without the -d" how is that "choices" |
| 23:41.47 | geo-rge | why was that recommendation made? |
| 23:43.08 | stew | becuase aptitude does a much better job of handling complex dependency issues |
| 23:43.16 | geo-rge | ohh, ok |
| 23:43.34 | stew | the release team spent a lot of time honing the upgrade procedure, you might as well follow their recommendations |
| 23:43.35 | geo-rge | so you were talking about apt-get versus aptitude this whole time |
| 23:43.54 | geo-rge | yes? |
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| 23:44.07 | bengrubb | stew: Remember when you were helping me, I tried using aptitude, and just couldn't master is, the GUI made me angry |
| 23:44.07 | stew | rutski: if your /etc/debian_version still says 3.1 you never fully upgraded to etch, and you should be following the upgrade procedure |
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| 23:44.20 | stew | bengrubb: yes, i remember |
| 23:44.34 | rutski | stew: what a sec... is etch 3.2 then? |
| 23:44.38 | bengrubb | stew: I still can't master that GUI, makes me so angry |
| 23:44.39 | dvs | bengrubb: that GUI makes me mad too |
| 23:44.40 | stew | rutski: 4.0 |
| 23:44.41 | geo-rge | no, 4.0 |
| 23:44.51 | stew | bengrubb: he won't be using the gui, and he won't be trying to downgrade a broken sarge/lenny mix |
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| 23:45.18 | bengrubb | 4 |
| 23:45.38 | eifzon | what kernel is best for debian etch and i am using Intel Core 2 Duo |
| 23:45.45 | dvs | eifzon: 686 |
| 23:45.53 | geo-rge | the other thing about this, is the issue of unexpected upgrading... which is part of this |
| 23:46.10 | eifzon | dvs: 2.6.18-4-686 ? |
| 23:46.16 | dvs | eifzon: yes |
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| 23:46.27 | bengrubb | geo-rge: You mean accidental upgrade, because debian decided to change which is stable? |
| 23:46.38 | eifzon | dvs: you sure i cant get anyone better? :P |
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| 23:46.56 | geo-rge | rutski: if you want, you can stick with -this- version of debian by replacing where it says "stable" with "etch" |
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| 23:47.32 | dvs | eifzon: 686-smp if you wish |
| 23:47.36 | geo-rge | if you decide not to do that, then every time debian releases a new dist, you'll have a very large upgrade to go thru... |
| 23:47.38 | rutski | geo-rge: too late |
| 23:47.50 | geo-rge | yes, I know... but for next time. |
| 23:48.01 | rutski | heh, yea |
| 23:48.18 | geo-rge | etch is what you're upgrading to now |
| 23:48.30 | bengrubb | rutski: Good Luck :) |
| 23:48.35 | geo-rge | I'm talking about when they release (say) lenny |
| 23:49.04 | eifzon | dvs: what will the difference be? |
| 23:49.21 | dvs | eifzon: 686-smp will use both cores in the CPU |
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| 23:49.58 | geo-rge | smp is a kind of multicpu system that includes hardware support on the motherboard and cpus |
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| 23:50.14 | eifzon | dvs: then i get it? :) |
| 23:50.19 | rutski | bengrubb: none needed; I'll just reinstall the hole OS |
| 23:50.22 | dvs | eifzon: hey, it's your computer. |
| 23:50.22 | rutski | bengrubb: :) |
| 23:50.29 | eifzon | dvs: it will be faster? |
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| 23:50.40 | bengrubb | rutski: Ahh good, at least you have local access to yours |
| 23:50.48 | dvs | eifzon: well, it probably won't be faster but it will be more responsive. |
| 23:50.55 | valdyn | eifzon: the -686 is smp, the explicit -smp is obsolete |
| 23:50.56 | eifzon | ok, good |
| 23:51.03 | eifzon | valdyn: you sure? ,o |
| 23:51.06 | eifzon | valdyn: how can i check |
| 23:51.15 | dvs | valdyn: isn't that for lenny? |
| 23:51.21 | valdyn | eifzon: apt-cache show <packagename> probably |
| 23:51.51 | eifzon | cant find |
| 23:51.57 | geo-rge | valdyn: the kernel people did that? |
| 23:52.19 | valdyn | dvs: just looking if p.d.o isnt playing tricks with me.. |
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| 23:52.27 | dvs | ok |
| 23:53.12 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.17 | rutski | bengrubb: ha, yea :) |
| 23:53.20 | dvs | !beer valdyn |
| 23:53.24 | eifzon | vlt: so i got smp? ;P |
| 23:53.37 | eifzon | it just says 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 23:53.40 | P_Kable | Hi there, I lost the rights on my own /home :( how can I get read-write permission just for me and nobody else please ? |
| 23:53.47 | dvs | eifzon: apparently |
| 23:54.15 | geo-rge | P_Kable: if you do ls -ld ~ |
| 23:54.24 | geo-rge | does it say that's owned by you? |
| 23:54.37 | P_Kable | drwxrwxr-x 56 david david 4096 2007-07-05 16:48 /home/david |
| 23:54.52 | stew | P_Kable: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 23:54.57 | geo-rge | are you using the david login? |
| 23:55.01 | P_Kable | yep |
| 23:55.03 | P_Kable | it's me |
| 23:55.15 | valdyn | P_Kable: what's wrong with it? |
| 23:55.22 | geo-rge | you could try chmod 700 ~ |
| 23:55.28 | geo-rge | but hold on, |
| 23:55.40 | geo-rge | you say you -lost- access? |
| 23:55.51 | P_Kable | I get a message when I login, and subversion tells me that I do not have the rights when I want to update the sources |
| 23:56.14 | valdyn | P_Kable: and what does that have to do with your /home/david ? |
| 23:56.17 | stew | P_Kable: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 23:56.29 | P_Kable | svn: Can't open file '/home/david/.subversion/servers': Permission denied |
| 23:56.37 | pingouin | where are the fonts with Etch+xorg ? |
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| 23:57.28 | valdyn | P_Kable: so show us ~/.subversion and the 'servers' : ls -ld ~/.subversion |
| 23:57.55 | P_Kable | drwxrwx--- 3 root root 4096 2007-04-28 18:10 /home/david/.subversion |
| 23:57.56 | P_Kable | arf |
| 23:57.59 | P_Kable | it's root |
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| 23:58.09 | P_Kable | how come ? |
| 23:58.15 | geo-rge | so: you did some subversion thing as root? |
| 23:58.20 | dondelelcaro | 'cause you were running subversion as root |
| 23:58.22 | valdyn | P_Kable: you did a 'sudo svn blah' ? |
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| 23:58.28 | dondelelcaro | (which you shouldn't be doing) |
| 23:58.34 | P_Kable | I want all the files and folders in /home/david |
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| 23:58.46 | P_Kable | valdyn, nop |
| 23:59.07 | geo-rge | ok, you would have to listen closely, because if you do this wrong you can fuck things up :) |
| 23:59.09 | slack101 | trying to find a php.ini file whats easiest way to search for it ? |
| 23:59.10 | geo-rge | ok, agreed? |
| 23:59.22 | P_Kable | I just changed some permission before the vacations 10 days ago, I do not rembember why or what :) |
