| 00:00.16 | MangosDebian | RichiH: hey, whats up with in-addr.arpa on simmerz when you get this |
| 00:00.29 | MangosDebian | bah he afk oh well |
| 00:01.17 | simmerz | MangosDebian: ah, just looked at my account settings and I don't have a reverse dns set up. I've just set it to sort one out automatically for now |
| 00:01.18 | j777m | valdyn: cool, its working. |
| 00:01.22 | MangosDebian | simmerz: the only way i could see that happening is if you controlled your rev dns and it was set incorrectly, but you claim adsl so...here we are |
| 00:01.27 | MangosDebian | ah |
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| 00:01.49 | j777m | valdyn: so how will i get this to start say after I restart my computer? |
| 00:01.49 | simmerz | yeah, adsl with a huge amount of control... |
| 00:01.49 | valdyn | j777m: neat, including that expose-like feature? |
| 00:02.07 | MangosDebian | simmerz: im rather surprised freenode doesnt do a fwd->rev/rev->fwd check though |
| 00:02.08 | simmerz | like direct access to rdns and ripe without having to first contact my ISP |
| 00:02.15 | simmerz | oh well. there you go |
| 00:02.43 | MangosDebian | oh the fun you can have with rev dns though :) |
| 00:02.49 | valdyn | j777m: you need to modify the session startup of xfce4 |
| 00:03.02 | valdyn | j777m: i dont know how xfce does it, i suppose they do have a GUI for taht too |
| 00:03.07 | simmerz | I will mess with it when i'm in my new flat. my dad really doesn't need a special rdns entry... |
| 00:03.34 | MangosDebian | simmerz: perhaps not, but it should at least be something a little more sane :) |
| 00:03.51 | valdyn | j777m: also possibly its saved automagically - im just clueless about xfce |
| 00:04.29 | simmerz | it should be shortly. |
| 00:04.35 | MangosDebian | i dont honestly know if thats a "legal" dns by rfc though. technically if the in-addr.arpa is accurate theres no harm. but my problem is the dns should point to a proper forward dns if you know what i mean |
| 00:05.02 | simmerz | well it is a static IP as well, so it does technically. |
| 00:05.05 | j777m | valdyn: okay i know how to do that, but for the run command should i do 'compiz' or 'killall xfwm4 && compiz'? |
| 00:05.26 | valdyn | j777m: is xfwm4 not listed in taht session? |
| 00:05.42 | MangosDebian | least your not firewalling the irc servers from dns or something to cause grief :) |
| 00:05.54 | simmerz | hmm, i'll need to disconnect/reconnect to make the change now right? |
| 00:05.58 | valdyn | j777m: i.e. is xfwm4 also started from where you modify the session, or somewhere else? |
| 00:06.08 | simmerz | to irc i mean, not to the internet generally |
| 00:06.08 | MangosDebian | simmerz: depends what the ttl is on the record really |
| 00:06.29 | simmerz | true |
| 00:06.41 | MangosDebian | simmerz: if you had say a 1 day ttl on rev zone and freenode just looked it up, wouldnt matter for 24hours |
| 00:06.56 | simmerz | wonder if the tech docs tell me |
| 00:07.00 | geo-rge | [M]Fox : so you're more busy than everyone here, and you want to tell us all about it... bite me, and turn the damn thing off |
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| 00:07.18 | simmerz | isp provides literally everything |
| 00:07.25 | MangosDebian | must be nice |
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| 00:07.36 | simmerz | I just hadn't clocked the "none" option on the rdns! oops |
| 00:07.37 | MangosDebian | most isp's treat their customers like kids with computers |
| 00:07.48 | krazykit | if they're lucky. |
| 00:07.52 | simmerz | aaisp.net |
| 00:07.57 | krazykit | even more assume they're as dumb as george bush. |
| 00:07.57 | simmerz | they're aimed at geeks |
| 00:08.00 | j777m | valdyn: there is an autostarted applications area in the settings of xfce4 |
| 00:08.14 | MangosDebian | simmerz: i could care less. i just find it odd that such an issue would even let you connect. gues freenode isnt very strict with such issues |
| 00:08.15 | simmerz | their support page specifically says "we won't assume you have a start icon on your desktop" |
| 00:08.18 | valdyn | j777m: and xfwm4 is started elsewhere, i guess |
| 00:08.23 | MangosDebian | more intrigued than anything |
| 00:08.27 | simmerz | yeah fair enough |
| 00:08.29 | j777m | valdyn: how do u check if it is listed in the session? |
| 00:08.33 | geo-rge | * [[M]Fox] (i=MFox@89.165.6.27): MFox (\n) * [[M]Fox] #remote-exploit #debian #ubuntu |
| 00:08.40 | valdyn | j777m: best solution would be to replace xfwm4 wherever its started |
| 00:08.50 | simmerz | still, nice to have a nice isp who let me have control, even if that control is a little misplaced sometimes ;-) |
| 00:08.52 | valdyn | j777m: no idea |
| 00:08.57 | MangosDebian | geo-rge: what are you doing in #remote-exploit is my question heh |
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| 00:09.17 | valdyn | j777m: but you can try 'killall xfwm4 && compiz' if you cant find that anyway |
| 00:09.26 | geo-rge | MangosDebian: that would be my question to [M]Fox |
| 00:09.28 | j777m | valdyn: ok i'll try to figure it out on my own |
| 00:09.29 | MangosDebian | simmerz: aye |
| 00:10.00 | j777m | valdyn: besides that, thanks for all your help. really, i mean it. |
| 00:10.05 | MangosDebian | geo-rge: who knows :/ |
| 00:11.06 | simmerz | MangosDebian: geo-rge: presumably, [M]Fox does |
| 00:11.38 | geo-rge | simmerz: the only thing I really want to know is that he has turned his away message off |
| 00:11.41 | MangosDebian | mmeh, whatever way you can get your info/knowledge i guess |
| 00:11.53 | simmerz | heh |
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| 00:12.11 | MangosDebian | ya, the away msg gives us something to bitch about :) |
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| 00:12.14 | valdyn | j777m: /etc/xdg/xfce4-session/xfce4-session.rc would be one i found, but that's not really good either, since /etc is global |
| 00:12.43 | MangosDebian | that and I have a trigger finger when it comes to !ops ;) |
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| 00:13.11 | MangosDebian | oh the satisfaction of using the forbidden command :) |
| 00:13.35 | MangosDebian | like being allowed to pull a fire alarm heh |
| 00:14.05 | j777m | valdyn: currently i have 256mb ram and I am noticing lag now(certainly to be expected). However, I have 1gig of ram coming that should be here tuesday. So, do you think I will notice a significant improvement in performance as far as compiz goes? |
| 00:14.23 | valdyn | j777m: how's it being slow? |
| 00:14.30 | simmerz | MangosDebian: lol. i always wanted to pull the emergency alarm on trains lol |
| 00:14.32 | geo-rge | j777m: are you swapping? |
| 00:14.59 | valdyn | j777m: compiz has small demands on the gfx hardware |
| 00:15.00 | MangosDebian | simmerz: zomg, you ever see the big honkin pull stations in the subways in TO?! |
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| 00:15.20 | MangosDebian | always wanted to pull one of those puppies for some strange reason |
| 00:15.24 | valdyn | j777m: now without knowing exactly what's slow i cant tell if it could be your nvidia card or if its just lack of ram |
| 00:15.28 | simmerz | MangosDebian: no. I live in the UK! |
| 00:15.30 | cafuego | Yes, my glx was busted and I didn't even notice it on compiz performance <heh> |
| 00:15.33 | Doufer | debian makes a kick ass server?? |
| 00:15.41 | valdyn | Doufer: better than that |
| 00:15.46 | Doufer | better than freebsd? |
| 00:15.47 | MangosDebian | simmerz: you guys dont have a subway with them?! |
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| 00:15.59 | valdyn | Doufer: sure |
| 00:16.00 | simmerz | no, we have mini pull handles next to the doors |
| 00:16.13 | MangosDebian | Doufer: hmmm, whatever your comfortable with I guess |
| 00:16.16 | Doufer | ok... debian for net-management |
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| 00:16.20 | Doufer | such as cacti |
| 00:16.24 | Doufer | nagios |
| 00:16.34 | valdyn | Doufer: its all in debian |
| 00:16.41 | Doufer | easy to install port?? |
| 00:16.52 | valdyn | Doufer: 'port' ? |
| 00:16.54 | Doufer | no more tar xvf and ./configure bs |
| 00:16.56 | valdyn | Doufer: that's a bsd term |
| 00:17.06 | MangosDebian | simmerz: ahh, not sure about those. but each subway station has these massive emergency breakers at the end of each part of the station that shuts down the whole line in an emergency (someone on tracks etc) |
| 00:17.15 | j777m | valdyn: i notice that switching tabs(in opera) is a little bit slower, as well as maximizing, minimizing, and resizing windows is a tad slower |
| 00:17.15 | Doufer | apt get? |
| 00:17.16 | apt | i heard get is search http://www.apt-get.org |
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| 00:17.21 | Doufer | ok |
| 00:17.21 | valdyn | Doufer: just 'apt-get install2' or somesuch |
| 00:17.26 | valdyn | Doufer: just 'apt-get install nagios2' or somesuch |
| 00:17.26 | Doufer | debian support apt-get? |
| 00:17.30 | cafuego | apt_: are you a bot? |
| 00:17.31 | Doufer | awesome!! |
| 00:17.44 | valdyn | Doufer: actually aptitude is recommended, apt-get deprecated |
| 00:17.47 | j777m | valdyn: its nothing to complain about |
| 00:18.06 | Doufer | how to enable rc.d? |
| 00:18.09 | valdyn | j777m: resiszing is defenitely a weakness in compiz / beryl |
| 00:18.16 | j777m | valdyn: I happen to know that my video card's memory is 64mb |
| 00:18.18 | Doufer | in freebsd we have rc script "rc.conf" |
| 00:18.32 | valdyn | j777m: its slow independent of the video card |
| 00:18.42 | valdyn | j777m: the resizing |
| 00:19.06 | Doufer | ok does debian also support CVSUP? |
| 00:19.07 | karsten | Doufer: Yeah, that's bsd-style init. Linux uses SysvInit. I much prefer the latter. |
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| 00:19.46 | valdyn | Doufer: what's cvsup ? |
| 00:20.00 | Doufer | to update the source |
| 00:20.01 | j777m | valdyn: so the ram may help? |
| 00:20.05 | Doufer | kind of like windows update |
| 00:20.07 | karsten | valdyn: CVS update command. |
| 00:20.34 | valdyn | Doufer: debian is maintained with precompiled packages |
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| 00:21.18 | valdyn | Doufer: other than that, sure, no os has better upgrade mechanisms than debian |
| 00:21.49 | j777m | valdyn: also, all those .deb files we installed, should I delete them or just leave them? |
| 00:22.10 | valdyn | j777m: entirely up to you |
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| 00:22.31 | o2T7 | hi |
| 00:22.40 | valdyn | j777m: they are there too: http://valdyn.us.to/~valdyn/nvidia/ |
| 00:22.45 | brainy_sexy_man | hm |
| 00:22.48 | brainy_sexy_man | archlinux |
| 00:22.51 | brainy_sexy_man | has today kernel |
| 00:22.55 | brainy_sexy_man | debian does not |
| 00:23.00 | brainy_sexy_man | how important is this stability? |
| 00:23.18 | valdyn | !confuse brainy_sexy_man |
| 00:23.18 | dpkg | No, who is our gerbil yesterday, brainy_sexy_man? trousers of the people's republic of tahiti with extra herring |
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| 00:23.38 | o2T7 | I am looking for a device which would substitute my cablemodem |
| 00:23.52 | o2T7 | is this possible? |
| 00:24.07 | MangosDebian | simmerz: wb |
| 00:24.23 | simmerz | thanks. |
| 00:24.55 | simmerz | was that a split or just me? |
| 00:25.35 | simmerz | ooo, looks like a split from the #kde log |
| 00:25.38 | j777m | valdyn: ok, I have one more question for you. What if compiz does run at every boot, but I only want it to run when I tell it? |
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| 00:26.28 | Doufer | compiz? |
| 00:26.30 | Doufer | whats that |
| 00:26.30 | valdyn | j777m: 'killall compiz.real && xfwm4' |
| 00:26.46 | valdyn | Doufer: window manager with max os x like features |
| 00:26.52 | Doufer | really?? |
| 00:27.02 | valdyn | Doufer: Expose etc |
| 00:27.04 | Doufer | any video card can handle that? |
| 00:27.14 | krazykit | Doufer, no, but many can. |
| 00:27.36 | krazykit | even stuff on the ati 7000 level can handle some of it |
| 00:27.40 | krazykit | er, like the ati |
| 00:27.42 | MangosDebian | simmerz: looks like just you. only thing we seen was the nick collide |
| 00:27.47 | valdyn | can handle all o fit |
| 00:27.55 | simmerz | hmm ok |
| 00:28.11 | simmerz | probably still issues with my telco, BT. they're messing around in my exchange at the moment |
| 00:28.23 | simmerz | i lost connection for over an hour earlier |
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| 00:29.46 | j777m | valdyn: do I need the folder created by this installation? I probably do as it contains all the drivers. ie the folder named nvidia-graphics-drivers-blah-blah |
| 00:29.51 | ndee | hello there, how can I use the output of a command in my crontab? I would do something like that: * * * * * /usr/bin/scp /root/test.sql root@host1:/root/test`date "+%j"`.sql |
| 00:30.04 | valdyn | j777m: nope |
| 00:30.23 | valdyn | j777m: that's just the source code your debs are compiled from |
| 00:30.40 | j777m | valdyn: oh, really. Where then are the drivers located for the computer to use? |
| 00:31.04 | valdyn | j777m: various places |
| 00:31.48 | valdyn | j777m: /lib/modules/$(uname -r) (kernel driver), /usr/lib/xorg/ ( X stuff ) and /usr/lib/libGL.so* |
| 00:32.21 | j777m | valdyn: ok. Once again thanks. I am leaving to learn and read. You were a great help |
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| 00:35.30 | MangosDebian | simmerz: phone lines arent the greatest form of connections these days |
| 00:36.51 | simmerz | MangosDebian: a better solution? :P |
| 00:36.54 | simmerz | that exists... |
| 00:37.03 | MangosDebian | simmerz: fiber :) |
| 00:37.16 | simmerz | that exists to the consumer... |
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| 00:37.43 | MangosDebian | simmerz: well, cable get better shielding. but i dont trust it far as I can throw it comapred to dsl |
| 00:37.50 | simmerz | nor I |
| 00:38.13 | simmerz | it's not the copper as such that's so bad. its British Telecom messing in the exchanges! |
| 00:38.27 | MangosDebian | not that buildings phone wiring is great. high rise run the phone lines up the riser to each apt so anyone above below you can snoop ya too |
| 00:39.18 | MangosDebian | "wiretap friendly" is built into everything im afraid ;) |
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| 00:39.57 | JeffH | I'm running the setup for hpoj and it gives me an error and in syslog there's a message saying ptal-mlcd already running. Anyone know how to solve this problem? |
| 00:40.08 | simmerz | yeah, im in a converted house. separate lines |
| 00:41.45 | MangosDebian | simmerz: surprised you dont have better signal. unless its just hardware/network/admin issues |
| 00:42.24 | _3yE_ | Hello. What is the way to determine, what configuration files have to be updated after a dist-upgrade? |
| 00:42.53 | _3yE_ | i mean, in the case i have messed with configuration files and they are not updated automatically when a package is updated. |
| 00:44.17 | simmerz | it's wireless which doesn't help particularly, but that's quite stable. it happens rarely enough and at particular times of day that are "low usage" that makes me think it's the telco rather than anything else |
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| 00:44.55 | valdyn | _3yE_: find /etc/ -name "*.dpkg-dist" |
| 00:45.22 | valdyn | _3yE_: you do get notified though during isntallation |
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| 00:46.27 | _3yE_ | thanks valdyn |
| 00:46.31 | valdyn | _3yE_: ...if there's a _new_ config file |
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| 00:51.21 | alexbodn | i have upgraded to gnome 2.18 and i can't use shift/ctrl + with arrows in gnome terminal. i'm getting, for instance "1;2C" in my text instead of marking text in mcedit. any idea? |
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| 00:55.32 | _3yE_ | mcedit doesn't support marking text with arrows. nontheless, extra text should not happen. |
| 00:55.52 | MangosDebian | simmerz: wireless? possibly interference? |
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| 00:56.32 | simmerz | nah, the wireless has a great signal. |
| 00:56.53 | alexbodn | _3yE_:it did support it untill yesterday morning ;) |
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| 00:58.45 | MangosDebian | simmerz: good signal doesnt mean some{one,thing} isnt affecting it when it disconnects |
| 00:58.55 | _3yE_ | hey, wtf, i can mark text with arrows in mcedit running in a textmode terminal, but not in KDE Konsole. :) |
| 00:59.10 | amphi | heh |
| 00:59.46 | simmerz | but I'm not losing the wireless connection at all... |
| 00:59.56 | simmerz | and I'm 5 feet from the ap |
| 01:00.01 | simmerz | in line of sight |
| 01:01.02 | alexbodn | _3yE_: sorry, you had to face it sometimes :) |
| 01:01.18 | _3yE_ | it even works in xterm |
| 01:01.57 | simmerz | _3yE_: I suggest you ask robert knight. he might or might not be in #kde-devel |
| 01:02.29 | alexbodn | ok, thanks. but i use gnome |
| 01:02.29 | _3yE_ | aaaaah i know. shift-left and shift-right are simply bound to change sessions. |
| 01:02.49 | _3yE_ | yes, alexbodn has a serious problem. |
| 01:02.57 | _3yE_ | i don't. |
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| 01:03.52 | _3yE_ | no, the bindings are not quite the reason. |
| 01:04.12 | MangosDebian | simmerz: blame the solar flares ;) |
| 01:05.22 | alexbodn | _3yE_ if i see the queer strings in the editor the window does receive the signal |
| 01:05.22 | simmerz | MangosDebian: lol. I blamed the thunder the other week. my old router killed off both the wireless and adsl connections every time we had a minor emp burst from the thunder... |
| 01:05.36 | alexbodn | it just misinterprets it |
| 01:06.16 | MangosDebian | simmerz: lightening gives off that much of emp to affect electronics? |
| 01:06.28 | simmerz | shouldn't do |
| 01:06.36 | simmerz | not with enough shielding anyway |
| 01:07.06 | MangosDebian | im sure your wifi/ap isnt hardended |
| 01:07.08 | simmerz | however, this particular router had been sitting under a boiler unit that started leaking and got drowned. i took it apart and dried it out, and it carried on working ok. |
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| 01:07.20 | simmerz | except that we didn't have thunder until now |
| 01:07.41 | simmerz | clearly, some of the shielding or power was lost in the drowning.. |
| 01:07.54 | MangosDebian | strange times we live in to say the least. hard to know what causes such issues without proper equipment |
| 01:08.06 | simmerz | so i bought a new ap and this one is fine, even during thunder strikes |
| 01:08.27 | MangosDebian | simmerz: you should have seen what happened to 2 of my ups's one day |
| 01:08.35 | simmerz | I'm going based on visual evidence only... |
| 01:08.53 | MangosDebian | made a huge bbbbbbzzzzzzzzzzzzaaaap! then they reset. the insides are all exploded looking |
| 01:09.02 | simmerz | nice! |
| 01:09.10 | MangosDebian | sounded like they were gonna blow |
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| 01:09.35 | simmerz | I did that with a fusebox once. the lighting circuit blew, so i went to turn it on again and the fusebox caught fire. |
| 01:09.36 | MangosDebian | although ive been told a loose ground wire can cause "issues" |
| 01:09.46 | simmerz | that was exactly that. a loose ground |
| 01:09.47 | omfgtard | has anyone here tried WASTE (the p2p program) in nix? |
| 01:09.55 | MangosDebian | lightning circuit? you mean ground? |
| 01:10.02 | simmerz | no, I mean lighting |
| 01:10.07 | simmerz | as in the things that you turn on to see |
| 01:10.23 | simmerz | you normally have them on a separate circuit to the ring main |
| 01:10.26 | krazykit | MangosDebian, i read it as lightning circuit the first time too :P |
| 01:10.40 | MangosDebian | never heard of a lightning cicuit, unless you mean the ones with the curly neutral that help absorb voltage from strikes |
| 01:11.00 | simmerz | lighting, -n |
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| 01:11.22 | MangosDebian | cant think of the name atm |
| 01:11.33 | simmerz | im not talking about them, so it doesn't much matter |
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| 01:12.22 | simmerz | i'm talking about the circuit that runs the halogen and argon filled little balls of glass... |
| 01:12.42 | MangosDebian | havent seen those before |
| 01:12.58 | Nyle | hey |
| 01:12.58 | MangosDebian | or you mean the mains breakers? |
| 01:13.07 | Nyle | wtf are you talking about |
| 01:13.13 | MangosDebian | they have a sort of glass window to them |
| 01:13.14 | Nyle | this is #debian |
| 01:13.19 | Nyle | what in the shit man |
| 01:13.29 | MangosDebian | Nyle: sure looks busy in here |
| 01:13.36 | Nyle | its not about that |
| 01:13.39 | simmerz | MangosDebian: I'm talking about the damned cicuit that runs the lights in your house!!!! |
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| 01:13.54 | simmerz | Nyle: it all started off with wifi talk |
| 01:14.26 | Nyle | it all started when god farted |
| 01:14.32 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 01:14.33 | Nyle | goddamn bigbang |
| 01:14.35 | simmerz | yeah. that was a long time ago though |
| 01:14.38 | simmerz | were you there? |
| 01:14.40 | simmerz | :P |
| 01:14.42 | Nyle | and now we're here in this crappy fuckin world |
| 01:14.48 | Nyle | having to deal with these assholes |
| 01:14.49 | MangosDebian | amen |
| 01:14.55 | simmerz | now now. this is #debian |
| 01:14.57 | simmerz | ;-) |
| 01:15.00 | Nyle | ahh boy |
| 01:15.08 | Nyle | simmerz: so whats goin on with you man |
| 01:15.15 | Nyle | blowin some shit up there? |
| 01:15.30 | simmerz | seriously, can you get a sentence out without swearing? |
| 01:15.31 | Nyle | frying boards and shit man |
| 01:15.39 | Nyle | not fuckin really |
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| 01:15.49 | simmerz | I noticed. try, at least |
| 01:15.51 | Nyle | ok that was a misplaced swear |
| 01:16.17 | Nyle | simmerz: /ignore nyle |
| 01:16.22 | Nyle | it works wonders I hear |
| 01:16.31 | simmerz | yeah. I'm lazy |
| 01:16.37 | Nyle | or just bored eh ;) |
| 01:16.40 | simmerz | that too |
| 01:16.57 | Nyle | I like it here cuz if you swear |
| 01:17.03 | MangosDebian | i think were all bored or we wouldnt be in #debian unless something broke |
| 01:17.04 | Nyle | no one usually gives a flying shit |
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| 01:17.24 | simmerz | I leave konversation sitting in #debian waiting for something to break |
| 01:17.36 | Nyle | konversation |
| 01:17.37 | Nyle | hehe |
| 01:17.49 | Nyle | I point and laugh at the piece of software |
| 01:18.04 | MangosDebian | like to see you write something better ;) |
| 01:18.11 | Nyle | I wouldn't want to |
| 01:18.14 | simmerz | do you now Nyle? |
| 01:18.14 | Nyle | I've got irssi |
| 01:18.26 | rickbot_ | i break my debian and then open konversation to cry about it |
| 01:18.33 | Nyle | rickbot_: word man |
| 01:18.37 | Nyle | I like to hear that |
| 01:18.44 | Nyle | no for real |
| 01:18.50 | alexbodn | _3yE_: do you see things like "1;2C" when pressing shift-right in mcedit/kdeterm? |
| 01:18.59 | Nyle | i'd actually pay to see a grown man cry over a broken debian |
| 01:19.03 | Nyle | that would be funny |
| 01:19.24 | MangosDebian | if my machine broke i would cry your damn right! |
| 01:19.31 | simmerz | too hard to break debian. try gentoo |
| 01:19.31 | stoned | bah |
| 01:19.32 | rickbot_ | pay, how much you got in mind? ;) |
| 01:19.33 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 01:19.35 | stoned | I'd just fix it up |
| 01:19.41 | MangosDebian | sup |
| 01:19.42 | stoned | suck it up, be a man, and get readin |
| 01:19.58 | stoned | rickbot_: 1 dollar |
| 01:20.07 | stoned | don't judge me man |
| 01:20.10 | simmerz | ;-) |
| 01:20.12 | rickbot_ | i've cried for less |
| 01:20.16 | stoned | rickbot_: damn |
| 01:20.24 | rickbot_ | but not this time |
| 01:20.29 | simmerz | yeah but thats because you were trying to get 100 dollars! |
| 01:20.30 | rickbot_ | ;) |
| 01:20.40 | rickbot_ | yeah, so? |
| 01:20.42 | stoned | rickbot_: are you really a bot? |
| 01:20.56 | stoned | I used to be a spam bot, but then I changed. |
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| 01:21.15 | rickbot_ | dunno. some bots are programmed to not know they are bots |
| 01:21.21 | stoned | I always wanted to grow up and be a modem |
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| 01:21.23 | krazykit | stoned, did penguin-jesus turn you into a real boy? |
| 01:21.31 | rickbot_ | i could be a sleeper bot |
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| 01:21.38 | stoned | I think modems are wicked awesome |
| 01:21.46 | stoned | especially dialup |
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| 01:21.54 | MangosDebian | get with the times :) |
| 01:21.54 | stoned | oh sweet sweet 2400 baud |
| 01:22.12 | stoned | those were the days |
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| 01:22.13 | MangosDebian | 33.6 pwnt |
| 01:22.17 | krazykit | boooooooooo beep beep bup bup beee boop beep. eeeee oooooh. aaaahhhhhhhh gzzzzzzzz dweedledweedledweedle |
| 01:22.19 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:22.32 | stoned | its like music to mine ears mate |
| 01:22.57 | MangosDebian | stoned: people just dont understand what its like hearing old handshakes |
| 01:23.20 | stoned | broadband |
| 01:23.21 | stoned | sure its fast |
| 01:23.24 | simmerz | oh yes I do. its like hell, unless you're trying to turn the sound of your winmodem up and it refuses... |
| 01:23.24 | stoned | but it has no personality |
| 01:23.46 | MangosDebian | bah, dont get me started on winmodems |
| 01:23.52 | rickbot_ | saw a definition of a bot somewhere. said 'something that passes for human'. i liked it |
| 01:24.00 | stoned | word |
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| 01:24.03 | stoned | I could pass for a human |
| 01:24.23 | stoned | I'm trying to find this rusty cooley song man |
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| 01:24.30 | stoned | I burned it on cd from someone a long time ago |
| 01:24.34 | stoned | and i have no idea what its called |
| 01:24.37 | MangosDebian | rusty cooley? wtf is that? |
| 01:24.49 | stoned | hes one of the worlds best guitarists |
| 01:25.05 | stoned | hes one of the best of the best |
| 01:25.07 | unlink | hmm........ |
| 01:25.08 | MangosDebian | never heard of him, and ive heard a lot of tunes |
| 01:25.23 | MangosDebian | he's from estonia |
| 01:25.28 | stoned | MangosDebian: what about malmsteen? or mcalpine? |
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| 01:25.35 | MangosDebian | stoned: nope :( |
| 01:25.40 | stoned | MangosDebian: ever heard of francesco ferrari |
| 01:25.45 | stoned | MangosDebian: michaelangelo batio |
| 01:25.46 | simmerz | lol MangosDebian |
| 01:25.51 | stoned | MangosDebian: bah |
| 01:25.55 | MangosDebian | stoned: im just a wannabe though, i dont actually know the real names of the guitarists |
| 01:26.09 | stoned | MangosDebian: I eat sleep breath worship fuck guitars |
| 01:26.11 | unlink | hold on, you're forgetting bellas |
| 01:26.18 | stoned | rickbot_: don't do that here please |
| 01:26.22 | MangosDebian | !fuck guitar |
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| 01:26.28 | stoned | !why debian |
| 01:26.28 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ or see <overfiendsphallus> |
| 01:26.30 | MangosDebian | hmm, no idea :) |
| 01:26.33 | stoned | !popcon |
| 01:26.33 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 01:26.36 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 01:26.36 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 01:26.40 | unlink | george bellas is essential to any list of overrated bedroom shredders |
| 01:26.48 | stoned | I'm gonn ago smoke, have fun with some reading material |
| 01:26.57 | MangosDebian | enjoy ;) |
| 01:27.11 | stoned | its good to read the wiki page |
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| 01:27.32 | MangosDebian | dont matter what i read, something always gets pushed out the other side |
| 01:28.09 | ctatuk | Does Etch 4.0 come with linux-kernel-headers installed by default? Because it seems to be installed now and I didn't manually install it so I'm wondering if anything will break if I remove it. |
| 01:28.19 | abrotman | no |
| 01:28.24 | unlink | you need it if you want to compile anything |
| 01:28.33 | abrotman | ctatuk: you mean linux-headers? |
| 01:28.56 | ctatuk | linux-kernel-headers |
| 01:28.56 | valdyn | unlink: umm |
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| 01:29.42 | abrotman | ctatuk: if you install libc6-dev .. they get pulled in |
| 01:29.46 | unlink | seeing that it's a dependency of libc6-dev |
| 01:30.04 | ctatuk | yah |
| 01:30.14 | ctatuk | i suppose I'll leave it |
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| 01:30.57 | ctatuk | same with my unused 484 kernel/nvidia drivers because 686 works but nvidia-glx originally grabbed 486 :| |
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| 01:37.46 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:37.46 | dpkg | <scarynetworkguy> yea any book that has the phrase 'Pig-fisting' in it is gonna be good |
| 01:37.51 | JeffH | Anyone here setup hpoj before? When it tries to find my device it says there's a problem.. when I look in the syslog it says an instance of ptal-mlcd already exists.. |
| 01:38.09 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 01:38.21 | MangosDebian | how does dpkg pick those anyways> |
| 01:38.33 | abrotman | MangosDebian: there are about 200 in his database |
| 01:38.49 | MangosDebian | abrotman: but who "picks" them? |
| 01:38.53 | abrotman | !cookie abrotman |
| 01:38.54 | dpkg | Hey abrotman, sarge pool 4 is Keep 'em coming! blk=2005-01-23 <alejandro_>=2005-02-15 #perl-magic-8-ball-bot=2005-01-01 Zone=2004-11-29 karsten=2003-12-01 abrotman=2004-10-02 Guerin=2005-03-13 Kerpal=2005-01-01 FieldySnuts=2009-12-31 scarynetworkguy=2005-01-03 directhex=2004-12-25 <cantona>=2004-08-19 <cantona>=2004-8-19 andika=2005-01-31 Cit=2004-05-20 g0llum=2004-07-26 dan2=2004-06-24 bztunk=2004-09-11 obake=2004-04-31 guestish=2004-05-30 <galois>=2004-07- |
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| 01:39.03 | abrotman | MangosDebian: someone just makes one |
| 01:39.05 | MangosDebian | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.10 | MangosDebian | i mean how |
| 01:39.27 | abrotman | you must know bot-fu |
| 01:39.40 | MangosDebian | ive seen !qotd's with same 0 with diff quotes |
| 01:39.54 | MangosDebian | unless they are just using (foo|bar) |
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| 01:40.48 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:40.48 | dpkg | methinks qotd158 is <paulswm> They don't make 2.25 ton mass storage drives any more :( |
| 01:40.57 | MangosDebian | !literal qotd0 |
| 01:40.58 | dpkg | "qotd0" is "<reply> see qotd(|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18)(0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)" |
| 01:41.02 | aum | hi - how do i print n copies of a postscript file without CUPS sending the file's data n times to the printer? |
| 01:41.04 | abrotman | make sense now ? |
| 01:41.08 | MangosDebian | yup |
| 01:41.28 | MangosDebian | !literal qotd1 |
| 01:41.28 | dpkg | "qotd1" is "<reply> <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it" |
| 01:41.28 | JeffH | I can't fucking believe I'm the ONLY one with this damned problem.. I can't find anything on the web. |
| 01:41.53 | MangosDebian | JeffH: ? |
| 01:42.45 | JeffH | MangosDebian: Trying to get hpoj running and detecting my hardware.. it gets an error saying an instance of ptal-mlcd already extists for the device. |
| 01:43.27 | MangosDebian | hpoj? printer? |
| 01:43.33 | MangosDebian | office jet? |
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| 01:44.55 | MangosDebian | hmm |
| 01:44.59 | JeffH | yes, my printer. |
| 01:45.10 | abrotman | !info printconf etch |
| 01:45.16 | dpkg | printconf: (automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.7 (etch), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
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| 01:47.16 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know how to install the new blender 2.44 with etch ? i can update my 1.32 with apt-get |
| 01:47.35 | rocketmagnet | should i install it twice if there is no package available ? |
| 01:47.42 | MangosDebian | can = can't? |
| 01:48.16 | stoned | I'll roll a fat one and go on a nature walk |
| 01:48.17 | stoned | heh |
| 01:48.29 | JeffH | if I install a package and 5 packages get installed to satisfy dependencies, then I want to remove the package... how do I have the dependencies automatically removed too? |
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| 01:48.45 | abrotman | use aptitude |
| 01:48.48 | dazjorz | Hi there |
| 01:48.54 | MangosDebian | JeffH: debfoster? |
| 01:49.02 | dazjorz | I'm trying to install Debian GNU/Hurd |
| 01:49.07 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:49.08 | dazjorz | in a vmware virtual machine |
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| 01:49.09 | abrotman | whoops ... |
| 01:49.28 | dazjorz | I've come to the point where I select a network server to install from |
| 01:49.44 | dazjorz | For every Debian mirror I take, it says "The server was unavailable or contained no Release file" |
| 01:49.52 | abrotman | !hurd |
| 01:49.52 | dpkg | it has been said that hurd is a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see http://hurd.gnu.org, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hurd on irc.freenode.net |
| 01:49.59 | dazjorz | When I go to a shell, they ping just fine |
| 01:50.44 | dazjorz | abrotman: I'm still in Linux, since the installation is running Linux |
| 01:50.53 | dazjorz | there's no installation program on Hurd itself |
| 01:50.54 | dazjorz | the* hurd |
| 01:51.15 | dazjorz | so, what's this Release file? |
| 01:52.16 | abrotman | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian4.0r0/ |
| 01:52.20 | abrotman | see .. Release file |
| 01:52.51 | JeffH | what's the key sequence to search in aptitude? |
| 01:53.18 | dazjorz | then I wonder why it moos about the Release file =/ |
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| 01:56.01 | abrotman | JeffH: aptitude search ? |
| 01:56.02 | krazykit | JeffH, / for simple searches |
| 01:56.07 | abrotman | or you mean in the interf .. |
| 01:56.34 | JeffH | so in aptitude how do I delete a package and all it's orphaned dependencies? |
| 01:56.47 | abrotman | aptitude remove <pkg> |
| 01:56.52 | abrotman | but it has to be installed with aptitude |
| 01:56.59 | rocketmagnet | how to update to latest blender ?? or how to find out which is the latest version available in my repositories ?? |
| 01:57.01 | JeffH | well, that's fucked up. |
| 01:57.18 | abrotman | you can mark them as auto |
| 01:57.26 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: apt-cache policy blender* |
| 01:57.36 | krazykit | JeffH, not really. apt-get doesn't dependencies like that |
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| 01:57.56 | abrotman | JeffH: you can use deborphan |
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| 01:58.40 | JeffH | well, fortunatey I saved a list of the packages that were installed.. so Ill just remove them one by one. |
| 01:59.16 | rocketmagnet | abrotman: could not find packet blender* |
| 01:59.30 | rocketmagnet | ahhh - thx |
| 01:59.31 | abrotman | oh .. just try blender |
| 01:59.46 | rocketmagnet | and what to do if i can't find my version here =( =( |
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| 02:00.02 | rocketmagnet | install it by hand inside /usr/local/share/newblender/ ? |
| 02:00.22 | JeffH | this is a pain in the farking ass.. |
| 02:00.43 | JeffH | I hate having orphaned packages installed on my system. |
| 02:01.26 | abrotman | !deborphan |
| 02:01.26 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd. |
| 02:01.36 | abrotman | deborphan can also do regular packages |
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| 02:03.24 | xfilesv | hello |
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| 02:04.12 | StarManta_ | hay guys |
| 02:04.33 | StarManta_ | so i'm having some trouble booting a fresh debian install |
| 02:04.48 | StarManta_ | at first, i put in a second hard disk |
| 02:05.05 | StarManta_ | which turned the boot volume from sda into sdb |
| 02:05.40 | StarManta_ | however, it then failed to boot because it was trying to boot off the other disk |
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| 02:06.07 | StarManta_ | thusly, i just reinstalled it, and now it gives me "partition not found" errors in GRUB |
| 02:06.19 | StarManta_ | despite a seamless install |
| 02:06.24 | StarManta_ | any ideas? |
| 02:07.49 | xembrx | hm |
| 02:08.15 | xembrx | usually when that happens to me I get one of those "oh shit" moments |
| 02:08.18 | StarManta_ | ps: running etch, 2.6.18 kernel |
| 02:08.19 | StarManta_ | haha |
| 02:08.24 | JeffH | does aptitude use apt-* under the covers? |
| 02:08.28 | StarManta_ | no sensitive data lost yet |
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| 02:09.05 | StarManta_ | but i do need to boot off the second disk |
| 02:09.09 | xembrx | I did a stage 1 gentoo once, and accidently hit rm -fr .* |
| 02:09.19 | StarManta_ | and it's the second disk no matter what, because it's SATA and the other disk is IDE ;_; |
| 02:09.20 | xembrx | it traversed all the hardlinks :( |
| 02:09.25 | StarManta_ | oh god |
| 02:09.32 | StarManta_ | that's an oh shit moment for the record books |
| 02:09.39 | JeffH | WTF.. why in the world does hplip require libqt3-mt? |
| 02:09.59 | StarManta_ | hmm |
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| 02:10.07 | StarManta_ | does the installer allow partition resizing? |
| 02:10.12 | JeffH | someone needs to re-evaluate those dependencies. |
| 02:10.54 | StarManta_ | hmm |
| 02:10.57 | JeffH | why a print driver needs anything to do with Qt or X is assinine. |
| 02:11.13 | StarManta_ | maybe /boot needs to be on the first hard disk.... |
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| 02:11.21 | StarManta_ | JeffH: of course it needs graphics |
| 02:11.31 | StarManta_ | printers can print pictures, after all :P |
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| 02:12.35 | JeffH | StarManta_: sure.. but it should use libraries that aren't specific to X or Qt.. |
| 02:12.43 | StarManta_ | JeffH: agreed |
| 02:12.47 | JeffH | I don't know if I want to install this now. |
| 02:12.57 | Guerin | x, sure |
| 02:12.59 | Guerin | qt - no |
| 02:13.17 | JeffH | Guerin: why X? |
| 02:13.25 | Guerin | i think the problem is that hplip has a retarded GUI written in qt |
| 02:13.39 | Guerin | JeffH: a bunch of image manipulation and postscript stuff requires X libs |
| 02:13.47 | JeffH | I don't need that extra CRAP! |
| 02:13.59 | Guerin | JeffH: see if it's dependencies or just recommends: |
| 02:14.14 | Guerin | if the latter, you can disable them quite trivially in aptitude config |
| 02:14.57 | Guerin | JeffH: aptitude is actually a whole different program to apt-* |
| 02:15.08 | Guerin | JeffH: both use libapt, but that's where the relationship ends |
| 02:15.13 | JeffH | depends python-qt3. |
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| 02:15.36 | Guerin | JeffH: i guess you should blame HP |
| 02:15.39 | JeffH | wonder if I can compile it by hand to get rid of that dependency.. |
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| 02:15.50 | Guerin | why bother? |
| 02:15.59 | Guerin | disk space is cheap and it won't interfere with anything |
| 02:16.04 | JeffH | because I don't need/want all that crap on my system. |
| 02:16.05 | helo_ | guerin: any specific problems with qt? |
| 02:16.21 | Guerin | helo_: other than the fact that it's utterly huge, not really |
| 02:16.42 | Guerin | JeffH: the question is how much work are you prepared to make for yourserlf to not have it. |
| 02:16.48 | Guerin | at some point you might as well run gentoo |
| 02:16.53 | JeffH | I don't like this so much I'd be willing to switch distros.. |
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| 02:17.20 | Guerin | JeffH: good luck finding a distro (other than gentoo) which doesn't require qt for hplip |
| 02:17.28 | xembrx | i've had good experiences with both gentoo and openbsd, but I think i'm stuck on debian |
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| 02:17.52 | JeffH | the whole "Disk space is cheap" is an anoying excuse.. it's what's gotten us into needing HUGE hard drives to begin with. |
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| 02:18.25 | JeffH | <-- minimalist |
| 02:18.36 | StarManta_ | i don't run a gui on my other box ^_^ |
| 02:18.38 | Guerin | JeffH: well, the other option is having dozens of packages called hplip-no-qt hplip-no-badgers hplip-for-jeffh |
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| 02:19.13 | JeffH | Guerin: I just fail to understand why hplip needs it in the first place. |
| 02:19.20 | sussudio | %do Guerin |
| 02:19.25 | sussudio | darn. |
| 02:19.30 | Guerin | debian builds most things like that, but some things need built with the kitchen sink because that's what most people want |
| 02:19.38 | krazykit | sussudio, yeah, badgers isn't there :P |
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| 02:19.44 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 02:19.48 | Guerin | JeffH: because it has a qt frontend, as I understand |
| 02:19.49 | sussudio | %bear krazykit |
| 02:20.02 | Guerin | JeffH: i agree it's stupid. |
| 02:20.08 | krazykit | oh noes |
| 02:20.25 | JeffH | great.. more useless software to install. |
| 02:20.31 | Guerin | but what I'm trying to say is, do you want to spend your hours worring and complaining about it, or do you want to just install the fucking thing and go have a beer? |
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| 02:21.05 | JeffH | I'll install it for now until I can find a better solution. |
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| 02:21.22 | Guerin | is hplip the only driver which will run your printer? |
| 02:21.30 | xembrx | hm, beer |
| 02:21.39 | Guerin | hplip is a pain in the arse because it runs a daemon of its own and a bunch of other shit too |
| 02:21.46 | Guerin | i'd advise doing without it if you can |
| 02:22.06 | JeffH | Guerin: I have an HP printer.. don't think I can. |
| 02:22.19 | Guerin | i have a HP printer and it's fune on plain old cups |
| 02:22.30 | Guerin | though it is one of the most common printers ever produced\ |
| 02:22.55 | JeffH | hm.. I was under the impression I needed to use hplip |
| 02:23.09 | Guerin | perhaps you do |
| 02:23.12 | Guerin | but you shoucl check |
| 02:23.33 | Guerin | i find gimp-print and foomatic tends to have more betterer drivers |
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| 02:29.18 | inetd_ | how do i use DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS to build pkgs? without compiling? |
| 02:29.44 | smacnay | mkfs cannot make a vfat fs - which util will make a fs that can be read by Windows, on a dvd? |
| 02:30.37 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: growisofs |
| 02:30.56 | dondelelcaro | (you don't put VFAT filesystems onto cds or dvds) |
| 02:31.48 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: and actually, mkfs will make a vfat filesystem, you just have to have dosfsutils installed. |
| 02:31.58 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: thanks - you don't. Oh. I have a DVD RAM that has been wiped and need to make it usable. |
| 02:34.36 | dondelelcaro | you can just append stuff to it using growisofs, or you can just have your windows machine alter it into the appropriate format |
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| 02:38.11 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: Well, you /could/ put VFAT filesystems onto cd's or dvd's ;) |
| 02:38.15 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: so just use growisofs to write to the dvd (it is not mountable right now) and append until full. |
| 02:38.46 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: right |
| 02:39.03 | smacnay | Arafangion: I think there was one on this disc before it got wiped. With a fs on the disk, could I not then just write to the disc and delete from it? dvd-ram |
| 02:39.21 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: I will try this and see how it works. |
| 02:40.04 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: I plan to create a tar file of all my photos and just keep updating the tar file as I add photos. |
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| 02:41.52 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: if there is a fs in place, I can just refresh the tar file. Without, I will need to remove the tar file and rewrite the file every time. |
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| 02:46.18 | _3yE_ | just installed Debian Sid on my laptop, and not getting any 3D acceleration. 3D chip is i915-based. It worked on Ubuntu Feisty. Xorg driver is "intel" in both cases. |
| 02:46.49 | abrotman | should be i810 |
| 02:46.51 | _3yE_ | i don't have Ubuntu at hand to check any longer. any other way i could diagnose the problem? |
| 02:47.11 | _3yE_ | it worked both with "i810" and with "intel" back then |
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| 02:47.34 | _3yE_ | but "intel" had some advantage, don't remember which. |
| 02:48.20 | abrotman | look in your X log |
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| 02:50.12 | smacnay | _3yE_: You could always just run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and make sure the driver you want is selected. |
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| 02:53.55 | _3yE_ | (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) |
| 02:53.55 | _3yE_ | (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering |
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| 02:54.36 | PrinceAMD | hey anyone here know the name of the package that tells u a joke or say a poem in terminal when the user open it? |
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| 02:55.25 | vorpal | PrinceAMD: fortune |
| 02:56.36 | PrinceAMD | vorpal, thanks |
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| 02:59.26 | Nurbs | PrinceAMD: don't forget to install the fortunes-{bofh-excuses,debian-hints,off} packages. well, mainly debian-hints X) |
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| 03:08.14 | Azar | _3yE_: any particular reason you installed Debian unstable ? |
| 03:08.55 | _3yE_ | i reran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it changed to i810, same problem. |
| 03:09.03 | _3yE_ | Azar, rather for fun. |
| 03:09.18 | Azar | _3yE_: then you have it... your fun |
| 03:09.36 | _3yE_ | Azar, i have stable on my other computer, which happens to be away from me for a while. |
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| 03:09.45 | Azar | Debian Sid gives you this kind of fun and you have to deal with |
| 03:10.13 | Azar | _3yE_: and do you have same issue with Debian Stable? |
| 03:10.39 | _3yE_ | i have not used debian stable on this computer, so i cannot say. |
| 03:10.48 | _3yE_ | the other computer has nvidia. |
| 03:10.59 | _3yE_ | and debian stable working well. |
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| 03:11.26 | Azar | _3yE_: I would assume that when you run sid you will have to get the driver from the site, download, compile and make sure you fix its dependencies.... on your own |
| 03:11.41 | PrinceAMD | Nurbs ok |
| 03:11.43 | _3yE_ | ok. |
| 03:11.50 | _3yE_ | :) |
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| 03:12.27 | Azar | you should work hard, and report bugs, that for is sid |
| 03:12.35 | Preto1ab | hello everyone |
| 03:12.36 | _3yE_ | "from site"... both intel and i810 are part of official xorg. |
| 03:12.53 | Preto1ab | can anyone help me find a way to install the xvid codec pls |
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| 03:13.13 | Preto1ab | i am trying to use ffmpeg to encode a movie using the xvid codec |
| 03:13.28 | Azar | _3yE_: then ask xorg... |
| 03:14.08 | Preto1ab | i went to xvid.org and downloaded what i thought to be the right files and cmopiled and installed them (i think ) but when using ffmpeg it still says Unknown codec 'xvid' |
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| 03:14.57 | aztec105 | argh it seems installing gnome, gnome-desktop, etc etc resulted in hotplug being removed I attempt to re-install hotplug and it wants then to remove gnome etc etc any ideas how to resolve this ? I need hotplug but I also need gmome |
| 03:15.04 | PrinceAMD | Nurbs, i install it all but still it's not showing in my terminal |
| 03:15.19 | Nurbs | PrinceAMD: you'll have to run it from somewhere, too |
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| 03:16.07 | aztec105 | !dpkg hotplug |
| 03:16.12 | PrinceAMD | Nurbs, so i have to configure my short cut to load xterm with fortune? |
| 03:16.13 | Azar | aztec105: what are you doing? |
| 03:16.28 | Nurbs | PrinceAMD: your what? |
| 03:16.44 | PrinceAMD | .desktop file nunu_ |
| 03:16.47 | PrinceAMD | .desktop file Nurbs |
| 03:17.01 | PrinceAMD | or make a script to do it :) |
| 03:17.03 | PrinceAMD | yeah! |
| 03:17.09 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: I notice that writing a 2.9 gig file to a 4.3 gig DVD RAM disc with growisofs, fills up the disc. |
| 03:17.25 | Nurbs | PrinceAMD: I've put [ - x /usr/games/fortune ] && /usr/games/fortune -a in my ~/.bashrc (_after_ at least [ -z "$PS1" ] && return) |
| 03:17.26 | aztec105 | Azar: currently trying to get a desktop environment going with network connectivity on a dell latitude a300st |
| 03:17.55 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: it shouldn't be completely full |
| 03:18.07 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: updating the tar file on the disc means writing over the current tar file? Would it not be faster to put a fs on the dvd ram disc and just freshen the tar file? |
| 03:18.11 | Nurbs | PrinceAMD: If you want it only for login shells use ~/.bash_profile instead |
| 03:18.12 | Azar | aztec105: depending on your Debian version, hotplug seems to have been replaced by udev.. |
| 03:18.17 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: well, it reports being full... |
| 03:18.25 | Nurbs | PrinceAMD: assuming that you use bash as your shell, that is |
| 03:18.38 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: you can just add an additional tarfile that contains the updated files |
| 03:18.45 | dondelelcaro | since tarballs can be concatenated |
| 03:18.50 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: /exec -o df | grep /dev/hdc |
| 03:19.21 | aztec105 | Azar: yep I see that. problem is udev requires kernel version I am not running atm |
| 03:19.25 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: that information isn't particularly useful |
| 03:19.31 | Azar | aztec105: you can trust installation by using "aptitude install"... it will clean, remove and replace correct package |
| 03:19.52 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: hmm, well, no big deal - the photos are backed up. |
| 03:19.54 | Azar | aztec105: it is allways better to start with kernel upgrade before installing packages |
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| 03:20.04 | PrinceAMD | Nurbs, thanks for the info there thanks |
| 03:20.26 | Azar | aztec105: this way you already have a "modern" base that supports more and more packages, hardware..etc |
| 03:20.35 | aztec105 | Azar: OK but the conundrum begins... can't get network up without hotplug... |
| 03:20.37 | PrinceAMD | Nurbs, bash: [: x: binary operator expected |
| 03:20.37 | PrinceAMD | PrinceAMD@Elive[~]$ |
| 03:21.02 | aztec105 | Azar: lovely chicken and eggs |
| 03:21.07 | PrinceAMD | Nurbs, nvm fixed |
| 03:21.09 | Azar | aztec105: .. in the dark here... lighten me up, what Debian version? |
| 03:21.56 | Nurbs | PrinceAMD: sorry for the space :) |
| 03:22.06 | PrinceAMD | yeah i noticed it :) |
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| 03:22.09 | aztec105 | Azar: Etch, kernel version 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 03:22.16 | Azar | oh my god!!! |
| 03:22.24 | Azar | total kaboom |
| 03:22.31 | PrinceAMD | Nurbs, do u know what like i have to add to bash.bashrc to make glxgears show fps? |
| 03:22.38 | Azar | Debian 3.0? Debian 3.1? Debian 4.0 ? |
| 03:22.39 | Nurbs | PrinceAMD: -a will get you "offensive" fortunes, too, if you've installed them. |
| 03:22.56 | PrinceAMD | lol |
| 03:22.56 | aztec105 | Azar: I could not get the installer to run on the laptop for kernel version 2.6.xxxx |
| 03:23.14 | aztec105 | Azar: Debian 4.0 |
| 03:23.14 | PrinceAMD | Nurbs, so i am guess "-a" means all |
| 03:23.19 | Azar | aztec105: Debian Etch CAN'T run on a 2.4.x kernel |
| 03:23.22 | Nurbs | PrinceAMD: Don't know. |
| 03:23.26 | Azar | omg omg |
| 03:23.31 | Nurbs | PrinceAMD: well... just rtfm ;) |
| 03:23.32 | Azar | get the kernel first! |
| 03:23.43 | aztec105 | Azar: will do |
| 03:24.01 | Azar | aztec105: apt-cache search kernel-image ... look for any 2.6.18 kernels for 386 |
| 03:24.17 | Azar | aztec105: copy the line then paste it after: aptitude install |
| 03:24.51 | _3yE_ | what laptop does aztec105 have? |
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| 03:25.23 | Azar | aztec105: if you run LILO, pay attention to the recommendations and edit /etc/lilo.conf after kernel upgrade with the initrd line recommended. save then run /sbin/lilo. Then reboot |
| 03:26.00 | Azar | pretty old laptop if he runs on 2.4..x kernel |
| 03:26.17 | Azar | that was a woody kernel |
| 03:26.26 | wols_ | no. sarge had 2.4 too |
| 03:26.33 | wols_ | and it even was the default |
| 03:26.41 | Azar | oh yes .27 was sarge, woody had .18 |
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| 03:27.35 | wols_ | aztec105: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 03:27.41 | wols_ | what version number exactly does it show? |
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| 03:43.13 | cilkay | Hello. I have multiple IP addresses bound to eth0. When I run route -n, I see as many routes as there are virtual interfaces, though Destination, Gateway, and Genmask are the same for the all the virtual interfaces. |
| 03:43.17 | cilkay | Is that normal? |
| 03:43.24 | cilkay | I haven't seen this on other distros. |
| 03:44.08 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: this tar file is nearly 3 gig... |
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| 03:45.42 | cast | my backup tar is 15 :) |
| 03:46.27 | smacnay | cast: this is just photos I am backing up right now. |
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| 03:54.04 | ateoh211 | does the ia64 version of etch run on a core duo, or does should I stick with i386 for that? |
| 03:54.57 | dondelelcaro | ateoh211: you're actually probably looking for the amd64 version |
| 03:54.58 | abrotman | !ia64 |
| 03:54.58 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 03:55.46 | dondelelcaro | heh. That factoid could almost be rewritten as "If your machine costs less than $5K, then it is not IA64" |
| 03:55.59 | ateoh211 | lol |
| 03:56.20 | aztec105 | _> aztec105: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 03:56.20 | aztec105 | <w |
| 03:56.24 | aztec105 | _> aztec105: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 03:56.24 | aztec105 | <w |
| 03:56.25 | aztec105 | _> aztec105: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 03:56.26 | aztec105 | <w |
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| 03:56.49 | dondelelcaro | ateoh211: please don't paste here or do whatever it is you're trying to do |
| 03:56.50 | aztec105 | dang paste |
| 03:56.57 | dondelelcaro | s/ateoh2111/aztec105/ |
| 03:57.04 | ateoh211 | yeah. |
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| 03:57.38 | aztec105 | wols_: can you repost yor last question |
| 03:58.02 | _3yE_ | this is not a terminal. :) |
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| 03:58.31 | dondelelcaro | _3yE_: well, here it is... it just happens to be a terminal that is running irssi |
| 03:59.00 | _3yE_ | ok, this is not a shell. |
| 03:59.18 | aztec105 | wols_: I think you were asking about libc6? |
| 03:59.20 | _3yE_ | this way around it is correct! |
| 03:59.42 | dondelelcaro | ateoh211: he probably wanted to know what version of libc6 you were running |
| 03:59.45 | lymeca | How do I export a directory to NFS to an entire subnet? |
| 03:59.50 | dondelelcaro | ateoh211: dpkg -l libc6; would have told you. |
| 03:59.58 | _3yE_ | gnaaah, i'd need a sleep! |
| 04:00.15 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: man exports; has the syntax |
| 04:01.32 | aztec105 | dondelelcaro: will have to wait a few moments on that one |
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| 04:03.41 | aztec105 | dondelelcaro: and to make a long story short of this the installer set up for 4.0 will not run on this laptop. it hangs after hardware detection. I had to start out with htat last sarge installer that I had and use the 2.4 kernel because every time I tried to load the 2.6 kernel it would hang |
| 04:05.06 | dondelelcaro | aztec105: have you tried starting the 2.6 kernel with noacpi? |
| 04:05.15 | dondelelcaro | aztec105: do you know at approximately what point it hangs? |
| 04:05.30 | aztec105 | dondelelcaro: noacpi causes the it to shut off |
| 04:05.47 | Guerin | it may also be worth booting into expert and manually loading the proper drivers, rather than allowing it to detect |
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| 04:05.54 | aztec105 | ah my ability to speak tonite sucks |
| 04:06.06 | dondelelcaro | right; depends whether it actually gets to the point where it can load drivers or fails very early on |
| 04:07.52 | aztec105 | dondelelcaro: cdrom is deteced then the rest of the hardware detection begins and that it is when it hangs |
| 04:08.26 | dondelelcaro | aztec105: ah, ok. It's probably one of the modules that it loads which screws everyhting |
| 04:08.39 | dondelelcaro | aztec105: if you can switch to the console before it hangs, you'll be able to see exactly which module it is |
| 04:08.53 | dondelelcaro | (or flip it into expert mode, and load only the module you know you need) |
| 04:09.05 | aztec105 | dondelelcaro: I htink it may actually be at the point it attempts to load the IDE modules |
| 04:10.01 | aztec105 | dondelelcaro: how does one switch to console during install ? |
| 04:10.57 | wols_ | aztec105: yes I were |
| 04:11.10 | wols_ | and you know the command you need to run, you pasted it often enough in here |
| 04:11.36 | dondelelcaro | aztec105: ctrl-alt-F4 should be the one you want to see |
| 04:11.37 | aztec105 | wols_: my bad...won't happen again |
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| 04:12.07 | dondelelcaro | aztec105: it's fine; you're forgiven. |
| 04:12.11 | aztec105 | dondelelcaro: ok. |
| 04:12.12 | robboplus | re |
| 04:12.38 | wols_ | yes. dondelecaro is our god :) |
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| 04:12.43 | dondelelcaro | having to deal with aging hardware is penance enough |
| 04:12.44 | wols_ | "ego te abolvo" :P |
| 04:12.58 | wols_ | *absolvo |
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| 04:13.42 | acatl | Nice to meet you |
| 04:13.47 | aztec105 | I wonder if I should just scrap this install and start fresh LOL |
| 04:14.25 | robboplus | is it possible to jail a user? |
| 04:14.36 | robboplus | i once knew a hack like this in slackware |
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| 04:16.25 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: kind of, but it usually doesn't entail what you think it does. |
| 04:16.43 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: since a user with shell access basically needs an entire chroot to actually do anything. |
| 04:16.54 | dondelelcaro | (or rather, entail what you may think it does) |
| 04:17.07 | robboplus | hello dondelelcaro |
| 04:17.39 | robboplus | well basically i need to give a shell but i want the user to stay within his home dir |
| 04:17.54 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: yeah, that's kind of what I figured. Why do you need to give the user a shell? |
| 04:18.13 | robboplus | he won't be doing much in there, more like learning commands, etc. |
| 04:18.23 | robboplus | and i don't want him to go around the box |
| 04:18.47 | robboplus | i just want to sleep well :) |
| 04:19.33 | ateoh211 | robboplus: you mean you don't want him to find your stash of porn :-) |
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| 04:19.46 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: yeah, the usual way you do this is you create an entire chroot, and give the user access to that chroot. |
| 04:19.55 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: so they can access the entire chroot, but only that chroot. |
| 04:20.23 | dondelelcaro | (there's no way to chroot a user without having /etc/passwd, /lib, /usr/lib, /bin, et al. available.) |
| 04:20.40 | Guerin | robboplus: it sounds like you don't want to give them a shell at all |
| 04:20.41 | dondelelcaro | well, you can, but you can't do anything useful if you do. |
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| 04:22.55 | robboplus | ateoh211 yesyes, how do you you this kind of stuff? personal experiences? ;) |
| 04:23.03 | robboplus | dondelelcaro hm |
| 04:23.16 | Guerin | !ssh chroot |
| 04:23.16 | dpkg | from memory, ssh chroot is Stop. Read http://www.ecediltd.com/la/secureshell@securityfocus.com/0771.html and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
| 04:23.21 | Guerin | robboplus: read that ↑ |
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| 04:23.31 | Guerin | then come back if you still think it's worth doing |
| 04:23.46 | robboplus | dondelelcaro hm then if i created a chroot at /home and mounted /lib and /usr/lib in there... would it make sense? |
| 04:23.55 | Guerin | robboplus: no. |
| 04:24.01 | robboplus | while permissions to other home dirs would stop him from sniffing around |
| 04:24.13 | Guerin | robboplus: what harm do you see him doing? |
| 04:24.20 | robboplus | does it sound sensible? |
| 04:24.32 | aztec105 | dondelelcaro: kernel: hdc lost interrupt |
| 04:24.36 | Guerin | robboplus: are you actually paying any attention? |
| 04:24.43 | robboplus | i'm just not sure if he could access mysql which might be important.. |
| 04:24.51 | Guerin | robboplus: trying to chroot a ssh user is *stupid* |
| 04:25.15 | Guerin | robboplus: how would he be able to access mysql with an ordinary user's privileges? |
| 04:25.24 | robboplus | and that article.. hm... |
| 04:26.40 | Guerin | just read point 6 |
| 04:26.41 | stoned | Guerin: hey |
| 04:26.48 | Guerin | stoned: g'day |
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| 04:26.56 | stoned | whats goin on man |
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| 04:27.07 | _3yE_ | FIXED. |
| 04:27.31 | Guerin | stoned: housework etc. |
| 04:27.41 | stoned | Guerin: word |
| 04:27.53 | stoned | Guerin: I'm thinking about music |
| 04:28.05 | stoned | analyzing some compositions etc |
| 04:28.12 | _3yE_ | libgl1_mesa_dri package was missing! |
| 04:28.37 | _3yE_ | it should probably be a dependency of mesa and any accelerated xorg module. |
| 04:28.50 | _3yE_ | apparently, it isn't. |
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| 04:30.56 | Gigantic | !boo |
| 04:31.18 | _3yE_ | !boo |
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| 04:31.31 | _3yE_ | funny |
| 04:31.31 | Guerin | money see, monkey do |
| 04:31.44 | _3yE_ | i had to try it once. |
| 04:31.53 | vorpal | apes always say it! |
| 04:31.57 | Guerin | we're all glad you've gotten that out of your system |
| 04:31.57 | vorpal | ;-) |
| 04:32.08 | _3yE_ | apes cannot talk. |
| 04:32.14 | Supaplex | !pal _3yE_ |
| 04:32.26 | Guerin | _3yE_: demonstrably untrue. Gorillas can learn to sign. |
| 04:32.45 | aztec105 | dondelelcaro: also getting an error mising modules ide-mod |
| 04:33.09 | _3yE_ | !help |
| 04:33.26 | Guerin | _3yE_: please /msg the bot |
| 04:33.48 | Guerin | this is your one and only friendly admonition |
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| 04:34.55 | adrenaline | how do I unpack a .deb package |
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| 04:35.06 | Guerin | adrenaline: ar x |
| 04:35.11 | Supaplex | adrenaline: unpack, or install? |
| 04:35.14 | Guerin | adrenaline: or dpkg -x |
| 04:35.15 | adrenaline | unpack |
| 04:35.28 | Guerin | Supaplex: he said unpack, how is that ambiguous? |
| 04:35.38 | adrenaline | thanks |
| 04:36.09 | _3yE_ | people sometimes say ramdom stuff. |
| 04:36.37 | _3yE_ | damn. havend slept since 24h |
| 04:36.38 | Supaplex | !assume |
| 04:36.38 | dpkg | [assume] the mother of all mistakes and (ASS - U - ME): makes an ass of you and makes an ass of me |
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| 04:36.43 | Supaplex | that's all. |
| 04:37.07 | Supaplex | I was restating his question to confirm what he was after. |
| 04:37.10 | adrenaline | The instructions say to unpack to the desktop |
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| 04:38.58 | Gigantic | uncomress* |
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| 04:39.12 | dasunt | I'm being lazy. |
| 04:39.18 | dasunt | I have a linux machine I want to redo. |
| 04:39.22 | dasunt | But I don't want to go downstairs to do it. |
| 04:39.34 | Gigantic | ssh |
| 04:39.36 | dasunt | I have a free partition I can temporarily install debian to to do a reinstall. And an SSH connection. |
| 04:39.42 | Gigantic | or telephaty |
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| 04:39.48 | dasunt | What do I need to get a temp minimal debian install to that partition? |
| 04:39.50 | jplastin | What's the best way to automount an NFS share on startup? |
| 04:39.57 | Supaplex | jplastin: fstab |
| 04:40.34 | Guerin | dasunt: debootstrap |
| 04:40.41 | dasunt | Guerin: Thanks. |
| 04:41.02 | Guerin | dasunt: You're welcome. |
| 04:41.14 | Guerin | gods, I almost wrote `your' |
| 04:41.30 | dasunt | I may not be able to pull this off, btw. |
| 04:41.32 | Guerin | stupiditude appears to be contaging |
| 04:41.32 | dasunt | :D |
| 04:41.39 | dasunt | But I can always go downstairs and do it manually. |
| 04:41.53 | Guerin | it's relatively easy |
| 04:41.58 | dasunt | I also want to try to gpart one partition around. |
| 04:42.01 | Supaplex | dasunt: the install guide covers using debootstrap from existing linux systems. |
| 04:42.26 | dasunt | Basically, I have a small boot partition, many tiny partitions with data I don't want, one large partition with data I do want, and a few small partitions after that. |
| 04:42.43 | dasunt | Other than the boot partition, everything is part of an extended partition. |
| 04:42.53 | dasunt | The few small partitions at the end are free for debbootstrap. |
| 04:42.55 | Gigantic | Guerin: wasn't it 'inaptidute?' |
| 04:43.29 | jplastin | How do I reload /etc/fstab to apply changes? |
| 04:43.55 | Gigantic | jplastin: rebboot |
| 04:44.09 | Gigantic | jplastin: no need just it'll be read upun boot up |
| 04:44.23 | Gigantic | .* upon |
| 04:44.23 | aztec105 | dondelelcaro: gah its the beeping cdrom drive |
| 04:44.49 | jplastin | Gigantic: What if I want to test if I got the formatting for an NFS entry correct? |
| 04:45.00 | jplastin | I don't want to have to continuously reboot to check |
| 04:45.02 | Gigantic | jplastin: use mount and umount |
| 04:45.22 | jplastin | Argh, but I want it to work in fstab so the NFS share automounts at boot! |
| 04:45.36 | Gigantic | jplastin: if works, it'll work on boot up (or it should) |
| 04:45.47 | Gigantic | jplastin: yes... |
| 04:45.54 | jplastin | Okay, right, but I entered an NFS entry into fstab and it didn't work |
| 04:46.08 | Gigantic | jplastin: if manual work and the fstab is correctly made it'll work |
| 04:46.16 | jplastin | I now need to tweak the entry to make it work, and I don't want to have to reboot everytime I change something to check |
| 04:46.23 | Gigantic | jplastin: paster just that line |
| 04:46.30 | jplastin | Manual NFS mount works, the fstab doesn't |
| 04:46.51 | jplastin | 192.168.0.3:/home/karma/nfs/incoming//nfs/nfsdefaults02 |
| 04:47.04 | Guerin | Gigantic: veritudinally |
| 04:47.10 | jplastin | The remote entry is |
| 04:47.16 | jplastin | 192.168.0.3:/home/karma/nfs/incoming/ |
| 04:47.29 | jplastin | local dir I want that mounted is "/nfs" |
| 04:47.35 | Gigantic | Device Mountpiont Filesystem Options FSCK |
| 04:47.51 | Gigantic | jplastin: where the nfs will be mounted |
| 04:47.53 | Gigantic | ? |
| 04:47.58 | Guerin | jplastin: i think the / on the end of /nfs might be doing it |
| 04:48.04 | Gigantic | fool of me... |
| 04:48.24 | adrenaline | Thanks guys it worked I got beryl working with my ATI card lol |
| 04:48.27 | jplastin | Guerin: Actually I lied there is no trailing slash on the local dir entry |
| 04:48.29 | aztec105 | how canb the install start off the CDROM then lose the CDrom during the hardware detection process? |
| 04:48.31 | Gigantic | that last line was a wrong chanel :p |
| 04:48.37 | Guerin | jplastin: in fstab? |
| 04:48.52 | Guerin | Gigantic: nobody would have cared if you didn't make such a big deal of it |
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| 04:49.18 | Gigantic | right |
| 04:49.51 | jplastin | Guerin: Yup |
| 04:50.01 | jplastin | 192.168.0.3:/home/karma/nfs/incoming/nfsnfsdefaults0 |
| 04:50.02 | Guerin | jplastin: no idea then |
| 04:50.08 | Guerin | no good reason it shouldn't work |
| 04:50.10 | jplastin | That's what I have and it doesn't mount when I reboot |
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| 04:50.32 | Gigantic | what bootlog say? |
| 04:50.40 | jplastin | mount 192.168.0.3:/home/karma/nfs/incoming /nfs <-- that works on the command line |
| 04:50.55 | cast | oh, when you reboot |
| 04:50.59 | Gigantic | jplastin: you put spaces right? |
| 04:51.12 | Guerin | jplastin: expect it's probably trying to mount before the portmapper or something else is running |
| 04:51.13 | jplastin | Gigantic: tabs |
| 04:51.21 | Guerin | jplastin: after boot, does mount -a mount it? |
| 04:51.24 | Gigantic | ok |
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| 04:52.01 | jplastin | Guerin: Yup mount -a works! |
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| 04:52.32 | Guerin | jplastin: so it's probably an order thing |
| 04:52.56 | Guerin | jplastin: you could try to solve the problem properly, otr you could put mount -a into bootmisc.sh and go have a beer |
| 04:53.00 | jplastin | Guerin: How do I find out or fix it?> |
| 04:53.13 | Guerin | i would choose option 2, which involves beer |
| 04:53.16 | jplastin | Haha okay |
| 04:53.21 | Guerin | and 30 seconds work |
| 04:53.23 | jplastin | Where's bootmisc.sh? |
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| 04:53.43 | Guerin | jplastin: just to make it a little challenging, I'll leave that as an exercise for you |
| 04:53.54 | Guerin | you have to earn beer, you know |
| 04:54.06 | Supaplex | it's next to socks-mix+match.sh |
| 04:54.10 | jplastin | I like how it would've taken less effort to just tell me rather than type it |
| 04:54.15 | jplastin | ;-] |
| 04:54.24 | jplastin | s/it/that |
| 04:54.29 | Gigantic | but where's the mount point in the fstab ? |
| 04:54.31 | Guerin | i'm all about making people be less lazy than me |
| 04:54.33 | cast | if we just tell you things then you'll just keep asking |
| 04:54.40 | jplastin | Gigantic: the fstab entry works |
| 04:54.45 | Guerin | Gigantic: KUATBT; /nfs |
| 04:54.51 | jplastin | It's not doing it in the right order or something... |
| 04:54.55 | Gigantic | KUATBT ??? |
| 04:54.59 | Guerin | !kuatbt |
| 04:54.59 | dpkg | i heard kuatbt is Keep Up At The Back There! |
| 04:55.56 | jplastin | I conquer all /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 04:56.02 | aztec105 | does anyone have the kernel-parameters all laid out in a plain text file ? |
| 04:56.12 | Guerin | aztec105: you do |
| 04:56.23 | Guerin | aztec105: it's called a `config' |
| 04:57.12 | jplastin | Guerin: Okay scary shell script |
| 04:57.22 | jplastin | Can I just add a line at the end "mount -a"? |
| 04:57.38 | Supaplex | hah. recover mysql root password by inspecting .mysql_history :P |
| 04:57.39 | aztec105 | Guerin: I was looking for the list of parameters that can be passed on to the kernel during install.. just want to make sure we are refereing to the same thing |
| 04:57.46 | cast | see, he keeps asking! |
| 04:57.47 | Guerin | jplastin: as long as it's before the exit statement. And you should put a comment there in case you forget later. |
| 04:58.00 | Guerin | Supaplex: haha |
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| 04:58.26 | aztec105 | BRB |
| 04:58.28 | Guerin | aztec105: during what install? make install? |
| 04:58.41 | Guerin | ESTUPIDQUESTION |
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| 05:00.01 | cast | hey, i forgot we had /etc/rc.local now |
| 05:00.48 | jplastin | Whateva I'm just putting it in rc.local |
| 05:00.57 | cast | i would too. |
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| 05:01.16 | cast | don't say whateva, or whatever, or wateva |
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| 05:16.08 | sweetandy | So I just installed Debian on a new computer beside my old Debian machine, and I'm setting up a few things. Trying to compile something from source, I'm faced with the idea that GCC isn't there. |
| 05:16.13 | mzb | Hi all, I've got a font problem that I seem to have introduced while attempting to configure a new monitor. Some chars are displayed as rectangles, and spaces between words are too large. |
| 05:16.24 | simonrvn | !b-e sweetandy |
| 05:16.25 | dpkg | sweetandy: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 05:16.26 | sweetandy | After installing gcc, it doesn't work. I try a simple printf("hello world"); and it doesn't work, saying stdio.h doesn't exist. |
| 05:16.31 | sweetandy | Aha!! |
| 05:16.37 | sweetandy | Thanks simonrvn |
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| 05:17.03 | simonrvn | np |
| 05:17.54 | mzb | I've tried resinstalling any package to do with xfs|font|render, running without xorg.conf, err ... etc ... but I can't fix/locate the problem |
| 05:18.03 | mzb | Can anyone help me track this down? |
| 05:18.10 | Supaplex | simonrvn: hey there. haven't seen you recently. how's it going? |
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| 05:18.24 | sweetandy | I'm building this system as Sid - this is going to be fun. |
| 05:18.26 | Supaplex | !squares |
| 05:18.26 | dpkg | don't trip man! those square characters are caused by an oversight in the application, see /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or did you see boxes too? |
| 05:18.33 | simonrvn | Supaplex: ok, you? |
| 05:19.12 | Supaplex | simonrvn: not bad. I discovered linux-vserver a week ago, and now my postgresql database is happily humming away under it. (among a handfull of other things) |
| 05:19.14 | simonrvn | !squares =~ s,xfree86,xorg, |
| 05:19.14 | dpkg | simonrvn: OK |
| 05:19.23 | simonrvn | ooh, neat |
| 05:19.39 | sweetandy | This computer is 1Ghz instead of Dual 600Mhz, it's AMD, and with 1.5x the RAM. I cannot believe how much faster it is. |
| 05:19.46 | Supaplex | The connecting applications are all happy to :) |
| 05:20.43 | simonrvn | cool :) |
| 05:21.39 | tictac | anyone here successfully gotten suspend2 to work with a luks encrypted etch system? |
| 05:23.27 | Gigantic | tictac: encrypted + suspern = not a good idea |
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| 05:24.17 | mzb | dpkg: the chars are displayed in gdm, before any user-specific settings come into play. So it's not application-specific afaict |
| 05:24.17 | dpkg | mzb: okay |
| 05:24.20 | tictac | Gigantic: its possible. |
| 05:24.31 | PrinceAMD | ok so dpkg-reconfigure -a all reconfigures everything how can i get to see what can be reconfigured? |
| 05:24.40 | cast | tictac: seems silly. |
| 05:24.47 | tictac | cast: why so? |
| 05:24.55 | mzb | hmmm ... feel like I'm talking to a bot ;) |
| 05:25.07 | Gigantic | tictac: a suspended make your encryption to be useless |
| 05:25.23 | tictac | Gigantic: not if you have an encrypted swap... |
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| 05:25.52 | Gigantic | tictac: rught, but how the hell you boot? unless you have a |
| 05:25.56 | Gigantic | external boot |
| 05:26.07 | Gigantic | ar at least unencrypted |
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| 05:26.32 | tictac | yes, an unencrypted boot that asks for passphrases for root when you boot. |
| 05:27.18 | sweetandy | How would I check to see if my video card has direct-rendering capabilities? |
| 05:28.08 | Gigantic | mzb: check ~/.bashrc |
| 05:28.20 | Gigantic | mzb: export LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 |
| 05:28.26 | Gigantic | for example |
| 05:28.40 | mzb | Gigantic: hmm ... that would be global profile, you mean :) |
| 05:28.43 | mzb | thx |
| 05:28.49 | Gigantic | tictac: and you are booting from it right now? |
| 05:28.53 | mzb | hang on ... 2yo having a fit |
| 05:29.06 | tictac | Gigantic: yes. |
| 05:29.17 | Gigantic | tictac: did you add aes modules to the init? |
| 05:29.23 | tictac | Gigantic: trying to work out the bugs of suspend2. |
| 05:29.28 | Gigantic | or twofish or whatever |
| 05:29.40 | Wyzard | Gigantic: It's done with a separate /boot which is unencrypted |
| 05:29.44 | cast | Gigantic: the deb installer sets all that up |
| 05:30.09 | Gigantic | mmm... |
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| 05:31.05 | tictac | i think i just gotta add a hook so that it mounts the swap partition before the root (and asks for its passphrase) which will make resuming from it possible |
| 05:31.10 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.10 | cast | lib/modules/2.6.18-4-vserver-amd64/kernel/crypto/aes.ko |
| 05:31.32 | Wyzard | tictac: Wait, you use LUKS for your swap too? |
| 05:31.38 | Gigantic | tictac: btw: do you have resume=/dev/hd0 ? |
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| 05:31.48 | tictac | Wyzard: yes. |
| 05:31.53 | Gigantic | tictac: so that kernel do exactly that |
| 05:31.57 | tictac | Gigantic: resume=/dev/mapper/swapfs |
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| 05:32.34 | Gigantic | m... well I've used the real file but guess it should work too... |
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| 05:32.34 | cast | tictac: did the deb installer setup luks for swap or did you? |
| 05:32.52 | Wyzard | tictac: better to use "plain" dm-crypt with /dev/random as the key -- that way each time you boot you get a different key for the swap, and when you shut down, it's gone forever |
| 05:33.04 | tictac | cast: it originally was done with the installer, but i changed it from a random key to a static key manually |
| 05:33.08 | Wyzard | tictac: (for suspend2 you'd want to have the suspend image be written to a file rather than the swapspace, in that case) |
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| 05:33.20 | tictac | Wyzard: you cant use suspend/etc with a random key :P |
| 05:33.28 | tictac | Wyzard: the kernel wont know how to unencrypt it :P |
| 05:33.42 | Wyzard | tictac: You can't if you suspend to swap, but I believe suspend2 can use a file instead |
| 05:33.55 | Wyzard | tictac: though, as I mentioned, I haven't actually looked into it |
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| 05:34.06 | smacnay | anyone using gcstar and have it not fetch movie info ? mine just seems to hang. |
| 05:34.06 | sweetandy | I can't even imagine how fast a modern computer would run Debian. |
| 05:34.12 | sweetandy | This is so blazing and this computer is old. |
| 05:34.14 | tictac | i dont want to use a file, id rather use a swap partition. you can do it with suspend2, it just takes tinkering to get working right |
| 05:34.18 | Kevin` | sweetandy quite nicely. |
| 05:34.28 | tictac | sweetandy: mine runs it nice ;) |
| 05:34.35 | rking | let's say that i'm writing a dorky file as a .doc using Abiword (because that's the format my teacher wants it in), but I want to have an always-up-to-date text version of it sitting right beside it (so I can quickly use unix tools like "grep" without having to first convert)... |
| 05:34.37 | rking | is there a way to register with the OS, somehow, to say: any time file |
| 05:34.37 | sweetandy | Have I died and gone to GNU/Linux heaven? |
| 05:34.39 | rking | `/foo/bar/baz` is changed, run `/bin/monkey`? I seem to recall some kind of |
| 05:34.41 | rking | file change monitor daemon, but I don't know if this is what it is used for. |
| 05:34.46 | rking | darn, sorry about the multi-line (long story) |
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| 05:34.49 | MONO` | i'm tryin to wipe my hd using the debian livecd, but dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdc returns 'I/O Error" |
| 05:34.58 | Wyzard | rking: apt-cache show incron |
| 05:35.10 | Kevin` | IMO debian is currently the best all-around operating system |
| 05:35.11 | tictac | hmm, well ill post some kind of howto etc, once i work out all the kinks. |
| 05:35.19 | Wyzard | rking: or do you mean FAM/gamin? |
| 05:35.21 | rking | Wyzard: radness. very, very nice |
| 05:35.21 | tictac | Kevin`: it has been for.. years. :P |
| 05:35.41 | tictac | bbiaf. work calls. |
| 05:35.43 | rking | Wyzard: famd, yes, that's what i was thinking, but incron looks like it fits the sort of thing i'd like to do |
| 05:35.55 | dasunt | Okay, another fun part. |
| 05:36.09 | MONO` | i'm tryin to wipe my hd using the debian livecd, but dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdc returns 'I/O Error", why? |
| 05:36.13 | dasunt | I'm going to radically redo the partition table of a minimally running system. |
| 05:36.16 | Gigantic | MONO`: what about if=/dev/urandom |
| 05:36.19 | dasunt | How do I do this without rebreaking everything? |
| 05:36.20 | cast | MONO`: is hdc the cdrom? |
| 05:36.24 | mzb | Gigantic: so you suspect a locale problem? I have settings for /etc/default/locale:LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 and /etc/default/gdm is unset (says it takes it from locales) |
| 05:36.25 | Gigantic | MONO`: and don't repeat yourself |
| 05:36.25 | cast | Gigantic: that'll take him all year! |
| 05:36.36 | Wyzard | rking: FAM is generally used for things like a GUI file manager updating its display when files are added or removed... incron is more for system-level stuff in the background |
| 05:36.43 | Gigantic | cast: :D |
| 05:36.50 | MONO` | Gigantic , cast: hdc is the hard drive that's corrupt so i'm trying to set all bytes to 0 |
| 05:37.07 | cast | MONO`: well maybe thats why you're getting errors... |
| 05:37.08 | Wyzard | MONO`: "corrupt" in the sense of being physically defective? |
| 05:37.26 | rking | Wyzard: cool, that's exactly the impression i got (though you phrased it way better than i would have). i don't want to have to write some funky chunk of C code to do this, so a user-level program (incron) is a good fit |
| 05:37.29 | Wyzard | MONO`: Bad sectors would certainly cause "I/O error" messages |
| 05:37.33 | MONO` | Wyzard: corrupt in the sense of some file got screwed up and the whole system got messed up |
| 05:37.39 | dasunt | Ayone? |
| 05:37.53 | Wyzard | MONO`: Check it for errors with badblocks |
| 05:37.58 | Kevin` | MONO` check smartctl |
| 05:38.05 | MONO` | smartctl? |
| 05:38.09 | Wyzard | MONO`: or, even better, by running the drive manufacturer's diagnostic tool |
| 05:38.16 | Kevin` | MONO` yes |
| 05:38.29 | MONO` | Wyzard: i don have the manufacturers anything loll |
| 05:38.36 | Kevin` | similar info to the diagnostic tool, only a lot faster and you don't have to run windows or some stupid bootdisk |
| 05:39.02 | Wyzard | MONO`: Some drive manufacturers provide a bootable floppy/CD that you can download |
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| 05:39.11 | Wyzard | MONO`: That's the most thorough test available |
| 05:39.11 | Kevin` | MONO` smartctl -a /dev/hda |
| 05:39.21 | bpun | do i use usermod to add a user to a group? (eg:usermod -g <> -G <>,<newgroupnm> <usernm>) ? |
| 05:39.23 | Kevin` | Wyzard hopefully ;) |
| 05:39.24 | cast | MONO`: use it as a ZFS drive! |
| 05:39.27 | MONO` | bah! dangit, dvd drive overheated |
| 05:39.30 | MONO` | zfs? |
| 05:39.36 | cast | MONO`: ignore me. |
| 05:39.45 | MONO` | lol |
| 05:39.52 | Kevin` | your dvd drive overheated? wtf is up with your computer |
| 05:40.30 | Wyzard | MONO`: If your cooling is that bad... overheating can cause hard drives to misbehave (corrupt data and/or stop responding) too |
| 05:40.34 | cast | raped hd, overheating optical drive, hey wait...how does a optical drive overheat? the bearing lock up..or something melts? |
| 05:40.54 | MONO` | Wyzard: running the livecd too long overheats it |
| 05:40.56 | Kevin` | cast i've had drives stop reading reliably after they get hot (dvd) |
| 05:41.13 | Kevin` | cast only in laptops and such, after extended use |
| 05:41.19 | cast | MONO`: maybe load it all into ram and take out the cd |
| 05:41.36 | cast | Kevin`: ahh. curious |
| 05:41.39 | MONO` | will the bash work that way? |
| 05:42.00 | Kevin` | everything will work, only a LOT faster |
| 05:42.03 | Kevin` | assuming you have enough ram |
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| 05:42.42 | cast | don't ask me how to do it outside of grml [grml2ram] |
| 05:42.47 | Gigantic | MONO`: is it debial live? |
| 05:42.50 | Gigantic | n |
| 05:43.05 | MONO` | dude it's a nothing drive because it's been wiped 3 times and still don work |
| 05:43.12 | Gigantic | cause knoppix has -toram |
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| 05:43.34 | Gigantic | mm |
| 05:43.37 | Wyzard | MONO`: That sounds like a damaged hard drive to me |
| 05:43.44 | cast | so how does one do -toram in debian live? |
| 05:45.03 | Gigantic | no idea... |
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| 05:46.49 | JeffH | is there a switch for find to tell it not to report the Permission denied errors? |
| 05:47.10 | dasunt | May have borked this. |
| 05:47.15 | Wyzard | JeffH: 2>/dev/null |
| 05:47.15 | cast | man enc seems to have an incomplete list of ciphers, whats the sigificance of l in -aes-256-cfb1? |
| 05:47.20 | Kevin` | JeffH maybe, but since it reports normal stuff to stdout you could just do 2>/dev/null |
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| 05:49.18 | Wyzard | cast: Just guessing, maybe the number of bytes encrypted by each step of the CFB? |
| 05:49.39 | JeffH | wow.. I think it worked. |
| 05:50.03 | cast | hmm, that is a good point |
| 05:50.39 | cast | would be handy to use openssl in ofb to wipe hds instead of using /dev/urandom me feels |
| 05:50.44 | Wyzard | cast: since it can be any number of bits less than the cipher blocksize, afaik |
| 05:51.04 | Gigantic | cast: http://www.di.ens.fr/~granboul/recherche/AES/analysis.html |
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| 05:51.44 | dondelelcaro | cast: why don't you just use wipe or shred? |
| 05:51.54 | simonrvn | Supaplex: going away from vmware is *always* a good thing ;) |
| 05:51.56 | acu | can anyone tell me howto restore xchat original networks ? |
| 05:52.36 | cast | dondelelcaro: dunno what they use for a PRNG |
| 05:52.52 | mzb | Gigantic: thx for the suggestion ... but doesn't appear to be a locale-related problem. Set the default language and no diff. printenv shows GDM_LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 |
| 05:53.25 | dondelelcaro | cast: it uses whatever device you specify |
| 05:53.27 | Gigantic | cast: /dev/urandom? |
| 05:53.33 | Gigantic | or gpg? |
| 05:53.53 | dondelelcaro | cast: and moreover, it does multiple passes, so it's far superior to just using random data |
| 05:53.56 | cast | Gigantic: nah, shred wipes way faster than urandom can output |
| 05:54.27 | acu | more importantly, can anyone tell me the easiest (preferably GUI with rightclick) way to mount automatically all hard disks in a computer? editing the fstab is still a black magic... |
| 05:54.30 | cast | dondelelcaro: well thats not true, want multipasses? use a for loop |
| 05:55.13 | Wyzard | cast: /dev/urandom can output pretty fast... are you confusing it with /dev/random? |
| 05:55.28 | cast | Wyzard: no, /dev/urandom is slow, let me wait for openssl speed to finish and ill measure it |
| 05:55.30 | dondelelcaro | cast: that'd be using random data twice. Regardless, you still don't need high quality entropy data to wipe drives. |
| 05:55.46 | Supaplex | simonrvn: I figured out the other day, dhcp3d has load balancing and failover features. |
| 05:56.00 | simonrvn | yeh, v.3 is pretty good |
| 05:56.01 | JeffH | can anyone tell me where I can find a good discussion on how CUPS works? It doesn't seem to me the model you specify means much. |
| 05:56.29 | simonrvn | also pretty smart with multiple dhcpds on the same net |
| 05:56.35 | Supaplex | simonrvn: my router+firewall has a failed cf card to boot from, but I manged to migrate it to tmpfs until the RMA gets back. (and the ups is working good) |
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| 05:56.46 | Gigantic | acu: you are in Hogwarts now :) |
| 05:56.54 | Wyzard | JeffH: The "model" you choose is actually just used to select a PPD file, which tells CUPS about the printer's capabilities (trays available, supported paper sizes, what driver to use, etc.) |
| 05:57.06 | dondelelcaro | cast: /dev/urandom is far faster than /dev/random, since it does give you any guarantee of entropy |
| 05:57.10 | simonrvn | Supaplex: holy smokes hehehe |
| 05:57.14 | dasunt | Well, that broke. |
| 05:57.20 | simonrvn | !Supaplex++ |
| 05:57.38 | dondelelcaro | s/does/& not/ |
| 05:57.44 | cast | dondelelcaro: i agree. which is why i think openssl in ofb mode could replace /dev/urandom for wiping drives. i think shred/wipe might be quite good - i have used them from time to time, but people still use dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda, maybe its because of the simplicity and knowing exactly whats going on :). urandom is sooo much slower than your max hd write speed so they end up waiting hours for it to complete |
| 05:58.00 | Wyzard | JeffH: You can find the PPD file itself in /etc/cups/ppd |
| 05:58.03 | acu | Gigantic: what is Hogwarts ? |
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| 05:58.53 | cast | Wyzard: no. /dev/urandom might be 1000x faster than random, but its still hell slow to wipe a 300gb drive with |
| 05:58.59 | JeffH | Wyzard: I know that's what it is for.. but I once accidently chose an HP deskjet instead of an HP OfficeJet and it didn't seem to make the slightest bit of difference. |
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| 05:59.13 | dondelelcaro | cast: people shouldn't ever be just using /dev/urandom; multiple passes with different algorithms is going to be better. |
| 05:59.29 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:59.29 | cast | 15597056 B 14.9 MB 3.00 s 5194003 B/s 4.95 MB/s |
| 05:59.34 | Gigantic | cast: try yarrow then |
| 05:59.40 | Gigantic | cast: faster and better |
| 05:59.47 | Wyzard | JeffH: They probably both supported the same version of PCL as input, and other details like print margins are less noticeable |
| 05:59.50 | dondelelcaro | cast: but frankly, if it's something that you're actually concerned about, wipe or shred or dd or openssl isn't going to be good enough. You have to physically destroy the media. |
| 06:00.00 | dondelelcaro | (including the controller) |
| 06:00.00 | JeffH | gotcha. |
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| 06:00.21 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: but shred /proc/kcore is so fun ;) |
| 06:00.29 | simonrvn | eek |
| 06:01.06 | dondelelcaro | if it's a case of just avoiding casual snooping, using wipe or shred is good enough |
| 06:01.12 | Supaplex | someone posted a youtube of it, I don't remember where it is |
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| 06:01.53 | cast | dondelelcaro: certainly multiple passes are from a security point of view. but most people don't want or need to wait for multiple passes, they'd be happen with just a single psuedorandom overwrite. like i said, lots of people use dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda. my personal take on secure deletion is probably the same as yours due to the mapping out of badblocks in hw etc...i think you should just encrypt it all and not have any such issues :) |
| 06:02.07 | simonrvn | -> youtube.com -> search: kcore maybe? ;) |
| 06:02.41 | Supaplex | i'm too lazy to fire up the icemonster to go find out |
| 06:02.46 | Guerin | the best use of shred I've seen recently is the NBC anchor who shredded the Paris Hilton story script on-air |
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| 06:03.11 | Guerin | i work in a media office, and there was widespread applause when that was played on the satellite feed |
| 06:03.22 | cast | dondelelcaro: fuck english there was raped. sorry. |
| 06:03.30 | acu | is an GUI to mount permanently all hard disks in a computer? |
| 06:03.31 | cast | dondelelcaro: nvm. :). |
| 06:03.50 | Guerin | acu: man fstab. |
| 06:03.54 | dragonfly | acu, depends on the settings in your /etc/fstab |
| 06:04.01 | simonrvn | Guerin: really? damn, that must've been nice to see |
| 06:04.05 | Gigantic | acu: kwickdisk in KDE |
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| 06:04.16 | Gigantic | acu: but you still need fstab |
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| 06:05.06 | Guerin | simonrvn: the anchor was Mika Brzezinski, iirc |
| 06:05.26 | Guerin | simonrvn: you can probably google it up; she first tried to light the script on fire with her stunned co-anchor's lighter |
| 06:05.32 | cast | 2/whois dondelelcaro |
| 06:05.52 | cast | [couldn't remember if you were a dd or not] |
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| 06:07.02 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 06:07.11 | dondelelcaro | db.debian.org takes irc nicks... |
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| 06:08.44 | cast | neat, did not know of that site |
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| 06:16.09 | JeffH | Is there a good application to use to document/capture configuration changes? |
| 06:16.39 | simonrvn | a few |
| 06:17.12 | JeffH | simonrvn: you wanna shed some light on their names? |
| 06:18.22 | Gigantic | JeffH: like FAM ? |
| 06:18.37 | tictac | JeffH: apt-cache search configuration changes |
| 06:21.17 | Gigantic | JeffH: also -ctime can help |
| 06:21.46 | JeffH | Gigantic: what's FAM? apt-cache show FAM doesn't produce any results |
| 06:21.59 | Gigantic | JeffH: try famd |
| 06:22.15 | Gigantic | JeffH: it's File Alteration Monitor (Daemon) |
| 06:22.41 | tictac | JeffH: apt-get install fam |
| 06:23.21 | JeffH | got i. |
| 06:23.22 | JeffH | it |
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| 06:26.03 | unlink | what's up with gnome-art? it just crashes on startup |
| 06:26.09 | unlink | right after an install |
| 06:26.17 | samesame | does anybody know where the debian thingy ma-jiggy is? |
| 06:26.42 | tictac | unlink: did u run it from a terminal? what errors did you get? have you looked at the bug listing for the program? try these first... |
| 06:27.11 | enouf | samesame: look behind you |
| 06:27.18 | Gigantic | !majiggy |
| 06:27.21 | unlink | tictac: yes, errors are in http://rafb.net/p/Sl7pzK27.html and yes, it's in bts |
| 06:27.50 | Gigantic | samesame: what is ma-jiggy ? |
| 06:27.58 | tictac | so, does the error have a work around? have you tried it? wait for it to be updated... |
| 06:28.07 | unlink | it has been updated |
| 06:28.09 | unlink | it's still broken |
| 06:28.15 | enouf | Gigantic: it's a whatcha-ma-callit |
| 06:28.33 | tictac | contact the developer :P |
| 06:28.38 | tictac | or post another bug. |
| 06:28.45 | Gigantic | ¿ -.- ? |
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| 06:29.33 | unlink | it's already got a grave severity bug confirmed *shrug* |
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| 06:38.10 | DawnLight | marvellous! my webcam is working |
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| 06:39.11 | utopia_ | what's the point of webcamera's though :) |
| 06:39.28 | DawnLight | i don't know, never used one |
| 06:39.33 | Gigantic | low quality image chating ofcourse |
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| 06:40.31 | Guerin | i thought they were just for broadcasting yourself doing naked karaoke with a hairbrush, and such vanities |
| 06:40.40 | utopia_ | haha |
| 06:40.40 | DawnLight | i've heard of ascii video. i would like to see that |
| 06:40.50 | utopia_ | ascii video =-o |
| 06:41.02 | Gigantic | with mplayer? |
| 06:41.10 | utopia_ | still wouldn't make me buy one :) |
| 06:41.14 | Guerin | DawnLight: mplayer -vo aa yourfave.avi |
| 06:41.29 | DawnLight | i'll try that... |
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| 06:41.37 | Gigantic | utopia_: apt-get install bb |
| 06:42.16 | utopia_ | whats 'bb'? |
| 06:42.44 | Guerin | utopia_: something you can learn about with aptitude show |
| 06:43.48 | DawnLight | is my webcam /dev/video0? |
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| 06:44.48 | Gigantic | DawnLight: most likely |
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| 06:45.58 | DawnLight | so how do i use it? can i tell mplayer to show me that? |
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| 06:46.32 | inetd_ | whats the best player to watch HDTV on linux? |
| 06:46.32 | Guerin | DawnLight: it sounds like you need to find some howtos |
| 06:46.44 | Guerin | !best |
| 06:46.44 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 06:46.48 | DawnLight | i think i've just hung mplayer trying to open that |
| 06:46.53 | Guerin | inetd_: i recommend mplayer and vlc, in that order |
| 06:47.06 | roxy_ | definitly Tina Turner |
| 06:47.21 | Guerin | Franklin > Turner |
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| 06:47.54 | Gigantic | DawnLight: I use vlc fo it |
| 06:47.55 | inetd_ | Guerin: mplayer can change channel wit shortcuts? |
| 06:48.04 | roxy_ | true, but I never wank thinking about franklin when I was a kid |
| 06:48.26 | DawnLight | dpkg: best is also Unlike the rest |
| 06:48.26 | dpkg | okay, DawnLight |
| 06:48.31 | DawnLight | !best |
| 06:48.32 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!. Unlike the rest |
| 06:48.39 | Guerin | inetd_: it supports lirc and a bunch of other shit; you should read the truly enormous list of things it can do to find out the details |
| 06:48.54 | Guerin | roxy_: that's jhust a generational thing. |
| 06:49.15 | Guerin | mind you, neither have a patch on the glorious Nina Simone |
| 06:50.04 | roxy_ | :-) |
| 06:50.45 | samesame | im going to buy a USB flash drive and install linux on it so when im on vacation i can boot linux from a net cafe |
| 06:50.58 | Guerin | samesame: thanks for sharing |
| 06:51.09 | Guerin | samesame: you'll find that the networks will often fail in that case |
| 06:51.16 | samesame | why? |
| 06:51.29 | Guerin | samesame: because you don't know the peroper settings |
| 06:51.37 | mzb | ok, my font spacing and "square box" problem hasn't gone away. I've now tried manually specifying GDM_LANG, comparing all my settings with an ubuntu gutsy install, and enabling debug in gdm. Can anyone think of further ideas to try? |
| 06:51.43 | samesame | some distros auto-configure the hardware and network |
| 06:51.51 | Guerin | and then you go and ask the e-minion, and he asks why do you want to know, are you trying to haxx0r? |
| 06:52.00 | samesame | heh |
| 06:52.13 | Guerin | samesame: but they can't if it's a static network, or has a domain controller which requires some sort of auth, or whatever else |
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| 06:52.23 | Guerin | i'm just saying - from experience, it doesn't work |
| 06:52.24 | samesame | dam |
| 06:52.43 | Guerin | samesame: you're better off running a sshd and using OPIE or something to do all your haxxing from home |
| 06:53.05 | Guerin | i recommend OPIE |
| 06:53.14 | samesame | never heard of it |
| 06:53.22 | Guerin | it kep[t me safe in the five or so most e-dangerous countries in the world, and it will you too |
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| 06:53.48 | samesame | Open Palmtop Integrated Environment |
| 06:54.10 | Guerin | !opie |
| 06:54.10 | dpkg | opie is probably wanted to be maintained by Espy. a PDA enviroment (usually Sharp Zaurus), or a one-time pad for passwords - see http://www.linux.ie/lists/pipermail/ilug/2005-August/083130.html |
| 06:54.21 | Guerin | the second one |
| 06:54.26 | Guerin | it's superb and awesome |
| 06:54.46 | Guerin | it's twice as awesome if you have a mp3 player or such which can display text files |
| 06:54.52 | mzb | see #opie |
| 06:54.56 | Guerin | saves you having to print a password list |
| 06:54.58 | mzb | or handhelds.org |
| 06:55.04 | samesame | interesting |
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| 06:56.05 | samesame | the most secure way of using passwords is when the server asks for random parts of the password |
| 06:56.13 | Guerin | bullshit |
| 06:56.13 | samesame | so then its keylog protected? |
| 06:56.31 | Guerin | opie doesn't need to be keylog protected, because it's one-time passwords |
| 06:56.37 | samesame | ok |
| 06:56.38 | Guerin | that's the whole purpose |
| 06:57.00 | Guerin | of course, to get full benefit you need to enable opie for everything remote - ssh, su, sudo, etc |
| 06:57.12 | DawnLight | one time passwords? that is so secure, its a little scary |
| 06:57.17 | Guerin | happyil, it's a PAM module which world transparently with other auth schemes |
| 06:57.27 | Guerin | DawnLight: just don't lose your password list |
| 06:58.16 | Gigantic | but it just move the problem of protecting the key list |
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| 06:58.43 | Supaplex | ah I see. |
| 06:58.53 | semprix | hi guys how do i install artwiz fonts on debian? |
| 06:58.59 | Supaplex | but I think I can trust my own laptop. :) |
| 06:59.32 | Guerin | Gigantic: of course it does. That problem can never be completely mitigated. |
| 06:59.37 | streuner | !tell semprix about search |
| 06:59.52 | Guerin | i kept mine on my mp3 player, in a file called tracklist.txt |
| 07:00.30 | Gigantic | maybe a one time key (key=cert) |
| 07:00.38 | semprix | fluffy:/home/semprix# apt-file search artwiz |
| 07:00.42 | Gigantic | would be better and would save that problem |
| 07:00.46 | semprix | bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 07:00.50 | Supaplex | !installit |
| 07:00.50 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 07:01.05 | semprix | !apt |
| 07:01.05 | dpkg | [apt] Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 07:01.11 | Gigantic | semprix: apt-get help |
| 07:01.14 | streuner | apt-cache search artwiz |
| 07:01.17 | Guerin | Gigantic: it's the same, since all you need is the list. |
| 07:01.25 | streuner | artwiz-cursor - artwiz futuristic mouse cursor for x11 |
| 07:01.26 | streuner | xfonts-artwiz - x11 fonts created by Artwiz, TigerT, and Daniel Erat |
| 07:01.34 | Guerin | anyway, movie time |
| 07:02.07 | Gigantic | Guerin: isn't the list in plain text? |
| 07:02.52 | streuner | semprix: Aren't you able to read the factoid (search)? |
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| 07:03.56 | Supaplex | illiterate? You can write for free help. |
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| 07:04.04 | semprix | streuner, i was but i was wondering i dont get any result after searching |
| 07:04.23 | semprix | E: Package xfonts-artwiz has no installation candidate |
| 07:04.59 | streuner | use pdo instead then |
| 07:05.02 | streuner | !pdo |
| 07:05.02 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 07:05.47 | cast | damnit. for some reason crypttab, when using luks, runs do_noluks when i try to use a keyscript |
| 07:06.34 | tbamr | "The Debian search engine has been disabled for now. We're working on it." ???? |
| 07:06.48 | cast | tbamr: would you like me to translate that for you |
| 07:06.59 | tbamr | cast: yes please |
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| 07:07.22 | cast | tbamr: well, the debian search engine, right. has been disabled for now. but they're working on it |
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| 07:07.43 | tbamr | cast: thanks. |
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| 07:15.34 | keyn | anyone know what package the libc manpages are in? it doesnt seem to be manpages or glibc-doc |
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| 07:15.52 | Arafangion | manpages-dev |
| 07:16.30 | keyn | Arafangion: thanks! |
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| 07:19.00 | streuner | keyn: its "non-free"... |
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| 07:21.13 | cast | fuck. i found my mistake |
| 07:21.14 | Supaplex | so much fun in #perl. :-x |
| 07:21.37 | Supaplex | cast: that's better than missing it, isn't it? |
| 07:21.46 | Lethias | I'm trying to set the "vga=" on my box, i have it set for 1024x768 my monitor frequency is 85hz, how do i find the setting for that? |
| 07:21.56 | Lethias | I used hwinfo --framebuffer |
| 07:22.15 | Lethias | the frequency is for 60hz |
| 07:22.21 | Supaplex | vga=ask |
| 07:22.23 | cast | i was using ' ' instead of ',' for crypttab options :( |
| 07:22.38 | cast | Supaplex: but how do you set the freq! |
| 07:22.46 | cast | Lethias: when you find out come back and tell me :) |
| 07:22.49 | jetscreamer | #perl :Cannot send to channe |
| 07:22.52 | Lethias | lol |
| 07:22.53 | Lethias | k |
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| 07:23.09 | Gigantic | hwinfo in Debian? |
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| 07:23.13 | jetscreamer | you don't do 60hz |
| 07:23.27 | jetscreamer | it's not the intention to set the refresh rate |
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| 07:23.33 | jetscreamer | it's also not for xorg |
| 07:23.37 | jetscreamer | just in case |
| 07:23.39 | Lethias | Gigantic, yea, hwinfo --framebuffer gives you a listing for your card but not the freq |
| 07:23.58 | Gigantic | Lethias: in Debian? |
| 07:24.00 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 07:24.01 | Lethias | yea |
| 07:24.06 | jetscreamer | you have to install it |
| 07:24.11 | Gigantic | ok |
| 07:24.25 | Lethias | my virtual terminals are all squished in cause its not the right freq |
| 07:24.26 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 07:24.26 | dpkg | hmm... hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 07:24.27 | Gigantic | I can't by the moment |
| 07:24.43 | Gigantic | until I get a new HD |
| 07:24.54 | cast | Lethias: wait...squished how? you should just get a shitty flickery displace |
| 07:24.59 | cast | display* |
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| 07:25.15 | jetscreamer | he's in some wierd one |
| 07:25.18 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 07:25.25 | Lethias | its pushes in on the sides. It does it if you run 1024 x 768 in 60hz |
| 07:25.37 | Lethias | you put in 85 hz and its spreads to the full width of the screen |
| 07:25.48 | jetscreamer | framebuffer isn't that |
| 07:25.49 | Lethias | its a dell monitor |
| 07:26.04 | jetscreamer | but i know what you mean |
| 07:26.09 | Gigantic | vga=0x317 |
| 07:26.13 | cast | when i run at vga -> 1280x1024 i get really machine flicker and latency when scrolling in say, less. its really annoying :( |
| 07:26.17 | jetscreamer | that is 16bit btw |
| 07:26.37 | jetscreamer | yeh i get like lag when i use a big fb |
| 07:26.47 | cahoot | video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,1024x768-32@85 ? |
| 07:27.00 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 07:27.05 | Gigantic | no unless you don't do X |
| 07:27.08 | jetscreamer | does that work? |
| 07:27.10 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 07:27.17 | jetscreamer | ah xmodule |
| 07:27.19 | Gigantic | cahoot: vga=0x317 |
| 07:27.34 | Gigantic | unless a laptop |
| 07:28.35 | Lethias | see hwinfo on my card (radeon 7000) says that 1024x768 in 32bit is 0x0323 |
| 07:29.00 | Lethias | but its not got the freq right |
| 07:29.02 | jetscreamer | Lethias: here, it says 0x0318 is... 317 is 16bit |
| 07:29.14 | Gigantic | yes but fb at 32 is not that good idea |
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| 07:29.24 | jetscreamer | Lethias: try vga=ask and experiment |
| 07:29.29 | Lethias | k |
| 07:30.29 | Lethias | what happens when i do that? |
| 07:30.52 | Gigantic | Lethias: after boot you'll be prompted from a list |
| 07:30.59 | jetscreamer | it will ask you ... what he said |
| 07:31.23 | jetscreamer | and it will wait 30 seconds for input and continue as vga=normal if you dont choose, iirc |
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| 07:33.27 | Lethias | ok that worked but lol none of them even work |
| 07:33.44 | Lethias | i have 3 that are 132 the rest are 80's. lol |
| 07:33.57 | Lethias | its like looking at an old school monitor. |
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| 07:34.33 | factor | can etch be installed on partion sda8 to sda15 |
| 07:34.43 | Gigantic | Just do 0x317 or experiment with 0x323 |
| 07:34.58 | Gigantic | factor: LVM and/or RAID |
| 07:35.15 | Gigantic | factor: or splitting dirs |
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| 07:35.34 | factor | this is a test demo system I need to install 8 differnt os's |
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| 07:36.11 | Gigantic | so? |
| 07:36.11 | factor | plus i will need swap boot and a base locagical |
| 07:36.14 | factor | no lvm or raid |
| 07:36.22 | factor | just plain install |
| 07:36.49 | Gigantic | Why not Debian in just one or two of them? |
| 07:36.52 | factor | and I have installed debian and etch seems to only have sda7 no higer |
| 07:37.23 | Gigantic | ah... |
| 07:37.34 | factor | elive kubuntu ubuntu redhat mandriva debian and some others. |
| 07:37.57 | Gigantic | it can be made |
| 07:38.01 | factor | making a lug demo box |
| 07:38.04 | ice63 | hmm i'm trying to build kernel-2.6.21.5 and i keep geting this error kernel panic on boot up :( |
| 07:38.05 | factor | yup |
| 07:38.09 | factor | makenod |
| 07:38.22 | Gigantic | *nod |
| 07:38.29 | jetscreamer | !initrd |
| 07:38.30 | dpkg | well, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
| 07:38.36 | factor | ice63:I had to make a debian kernel with the --initrd to get that kernel to work |
| 07:38.41 | Gigantic | !pvt |
| 07:38.41 | dpkg | You can also ask me in pvt so that I don't have to flood. Use /msg dpkg |
| 07:38.52 | factor | make-kpkg bla bla --initrd |
| 07:38.55 | jetscreamer | !crabpastesmite Gigantic |
| 07:38.56 | Supaplex | ice63: what's wrong with the stock kernel? |
| 07:39.34 | jetscreamer | paravirt_ops maybe |
| 07:39.34 | Gigantic | *and split |
| 07:39.41 | jetscreamer | spit? |
| 07:39.50 | Gigantic | eh... yes |
| 07:40.04 | jetscreamer | there's always licketysplit though |
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| 07:40.33 | Gigantic | :s |
| 07:41.00 | Supaplex | !lick Gigantic |
| 07:41.09 | jetscreamer | aha |
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| 07:41.11 | Supaplex | kinky bot |
| 07:41.23 | Supaplex | dpkg likes me bettah ;) |
| 07:41.28 | jetscreamer | the fuck factoid is purged... twas a good one |
| 07:41.35 | ice63 | Supaplex: by runing stock i can't learn |
| 07:41.36 | Supaplex | !sex |
| 07:41.36 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 07:41.37 | Gigantic | :D |
| 07:42.07 | jetscreamer | !literal fuck |
| 07:42.07 | dpkg | "fuck" is "cool" |
| 07:42.10 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 07:42.18 | jetscreamer | it's that cmd?* stuff |
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| 07:47.11 | Master_Medic | does debian work with laptops that have turbo memory? |
| 07:47.24 | Arafangion | Turbo memory? |
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| 07:47.40 | Master_Medic | maybe thats not a good sign :/ |
| 07:48.12 | Arafangion | Master_Medic: You could explain what it is, we don't tend to be quite up there with *marketing jargon* |
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| 07:49.02 | jetscreamer | o/c your memory on demand? |
| 07:49.04 | Gigantic | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robson_flash_memory |
| 07:49.06 | Master_Medic | well i guess some new laptops are coming with it if you pay an extra 30 bucks or something |
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| 07:49.22 | Gigantic | cpu flash |
| 07:49.26 | jetscreamer | heh push the button the fsb goes up 2 hz |
| 07:49.32 | Master_Medic | Gigantic, any konwn issues with debian? |
| 07:49.55 | Gigantic | Master_Medic: dunno, never used it |
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| 07:53.24 | Arafangion | Master_Medic: If it is possible to use it as a filesystem, I'd put /bin, /sbin, /lib, /tmp, and /usr onto it. |
| 07:54.29 | Arafangion | Master_Medic: Probably not /tmp, though. |
| 07:54.34 | Arafangion | I'd put /tmp into memory. |
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| 07:56.34 | streuner_ | apt, test |
| 07:56.34 | apt | Test Passed! |
| 07:56.59 | Gigantic | !test |
| 07:56.59 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 07:57.03 | Gigantic | mmm |
| 07:57.16 | Supaplex | !poke Gigantic |
| 07:57.27 | streuner_ | apt, literal test |
| 07:57.28 | apt | "test" is "<reply> Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! || <reply> Test Passed! || <reply> Test Failed!" |
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| 07:57.29 | SoulChild | hey all |
| 07:57.30 | suppaman | hello |
| 07:57.49 | suppaman | I've installed wmake on a fresh Etch |
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| 07:58.11 | factor | does Gigantic have a HAL daemon to recognize the stick and mount it. |
| 07:58.14 | suppaman | I'm used to app menu that are consistent while wmaker has unconsisten application menu, how's that ? |
| 07:58.30 | SoulChild | which package contains the programmm "invest-chart" ? (search didn't help) |
| 07:58.56 | streuner_ | !find invest-chart |
| 07:59.02 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'invest-chart' (2): (/usr/bin/invest-chart) in gnome/gnome-applets ;; (/usr/share/applications/invest-chart.desktop) in gnome/gnome-applets-data. |
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| 07:59.08 | Kevin` | proprietary != well programmed. it just means you can't check whether it's well programmed and can never fix it |
| 07:59.12 | Gigantic | factor: No mount point |
| 07:59.15 | SoulChild | streuner_ ahh thanks |
| 07:59.32 | factor | modprobe bigstick |
| 07:59.32 | suppaman | can you suggest me a simple x11 irc client that isn't x-chat ? |
| 07:59.40 | dondelelcaro | suppaman: irssi in an xterm |
| 07:59.53 | quasisane | erc in emacs |
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| 07:59.57 | quasisane | :) |
| 08:00.09 | suppaman | dondelelcaro: not really x11 |
| 08:00.16 | quasisane | seriously, kvirc is pretty good |
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| 08:00.34 | suppaman | I'm asking as x-chat want to install 60Mb of things (gtkish mainly) |
| 08:00.49 | Gigantic | !trout factor |
| 08:01.12 | suppaman | wow, kvirc 118Mb |
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| 08:01.21 | Gigantic | :| |
| 08:01.39 | quasisane | ah ... not a good alternative for you then |
| 08:01.54 | suppaman | quasisane: weird nick |
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| 08:02.02 | suppaman | where it's from ? |
| 08:02.08 | suppaman | is it* |
| 08:02.13 | quasisane | just made up |
| 08:02.18 | quasisane | quasi sane |
| 08:02.22 | quasisane | :) |
| 08:02.22 | suppaman | latin? |
| 08:02.27 | streuner_ | Whats 60 MB nowadays, new HDs have 500 gigs |
| 08:02.27 | Lethias | hey is vesafb installed with etch normally? |
| 08:02.33 | quasisane | as in 'not quite sane' |
| 08:02.46 | streuner_ | and 90 percent of the space is pr0n ;-) |
| 08:02.51 | suppaman | streuner: it's a matter of concept |
| 08:03.20 | suppaman | i'm using sirc now, and completion doesn't work as I'm used |
| 08:03.27 | streuner_ | if you would talking about RAM its more important... |
| 08:03.36 | streuner_ | but X-Chat doesnt use much |
| 08:03.39 | suppaman | I think I've plenty for such a task |
| 08:03.59 | streuner_ | browsers 'eats' RAM |
| 08:04.03 | streuner_ | DE's |
| 08:04.25 | Supaplex | Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) - http://irssi.org/ |
| 08:04.39 | Gigantic | but there's a difference between konquis snack and Firefox's big meal of memory ;) |
| 08:04.39 | suppaman | anyway I was used to window managers menu that were updated accordingly to installed packages, how comes wmaker has a menu of its own ? is there a way to make it consistent ? |
| 08:05.25 | suppaman | Supaples: has irssi colored text and tab-completiion ? |
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| 08:06.11 | amphi | suppaman: yes |
| 08:06.20 | suppaman | this system is pretty empty from a desktop user perspective |
| 08:06.28 | suppaman | amphi I'm installing |
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| 08:07.04 | SoulChild | !tell me about fuck |
| 08:07.11 | Gigantic | suppaman: or for GUI there's konversation :) |
| 08:07.18 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: this 'german' law is a whole mess... |
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| 08:07.43 | SoulChild | !sex |
| 08:07.43 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 08:07.57 | Gigantic | !get lost |
| 08:08.06 | SoulChild | lol |
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| 08:08.34 | Gigantic | :) |
| 08:08.44 | ice63 | lol |
| 08:08.45 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: they want use a trojan in order to check boxes out, and thats the first step |
| 08:08.56 | Arafangion | For added realism, '&&' should be used instead of ';' |
| 08:09.11 | Gigantic | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.11 | dpkg | ! is probably I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
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| 08:09.25 | Gigantic | streuner_: There you have a link? |
| 08:09.35 | streuner_ | Gigantic: in german? |
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| 08:09.46 | Gigantic | streuner_: no prob |
| 08:09.53 | Gigantic | streuner_: any lang |
| 08:10.20 | wireddd | when I try and login to xfce, it tries to load gnome, which I don't even have installed |
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| 08:10.42 | suppaman | irssi now |
| 08:10.57 | suppaman | nicer |
| 08:11.05 | suppaman | still B&W though |
| 08:11.11 | Gigantic | streuner_: never mind Google know it ;) |
| 08:11.25 | suppaman | I think I'll install xfce |
| 08:11.29 | streuner_ | Gigantic: http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/0,1518,492932,00.html |
| 08:11.31 | Gigantic | suppaman: try konverstation if you have KDE |
| 08:11.47 | ice63 | suppaman: blackbox |
| 08:12.02 | suppaman | Gigantic: I have quite nothing now, I just net-installed |
| 08:12.11 | suppaman | then issued a apt-get upgrade |
| 08:12.21 | suppaman | and installed xserver-xorg-ati wmaker |
| 08:12.26 | suppaman | and that's all |
| 08:12.42 | suppaman | anyway I never liked kde much |
| 08:13.23 | Arafangion | suppaman: irssi supports colour, try a different terminal. |
| 08:13.46 | Gigantic | well, it's just that konverstation and irsii are the best... |
| 08:14.23 | suppaman | Arafangion: a name ? i'm using xvt now |
| 08:15.15 | Arafangion | suppaman: I'm partial to rxvt. |
| 08:15.16 | amphi | suppaman: xvt doesn't support colour, does it? |
| 08:15.24 | Arafangion | rxvt-unicode, actually. |
| 08:15.32 | Arafangion | WHich installs urxvt. |
| 08:15.47 | quasisane | or if you want multiple tabs -> mrxvt |
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| 08:16.06 | Arafangion | quasisane: Bah, who needs tabs? Waste of valuable screen space. |
| 08:16.11 | suppaman | amphi: it seems it does |
| 08:16.20 | quasisane | :) |
| 08:16.41 | suppaman | I use screen on my x86 debian box |
| 08:17.08 | suppaman | to keep bittorrents instances running |
| 08:17.22 | suppaman | this is my shining ppc install |
| 08:17.34 | Supaplex | screen ftw! |
| 08:17.47 | Supaplex | it keeps my irssi on, and starts it @reboot to |
| 08:17.52 | suppaman | ftw? |
| 08:17.59 | Gigantic | !ftw |
| 08:17.59 | Supaplex | for the win |
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| 08:19.23 | suppaman | so to rebuild window manager menu ? |
| 08:20.20 | Gigantic | ah, it reminds me another weird thing I want to do... How can I use eth0 only (mainly) for download and eth1 for upstream? |
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| 08:21.12 | suppaman | is iceweasel worth it ? |
| 08:21.21 | Kevin` | worth what |
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| 08:21.29 | Kevin` | it's a reasonable web browser |
| 08:21.50 | Gigantic | so that I can make full use of two Asynchronic connections |
| 08:22.17 | Gigantic | Kevin`: r e a s o n a b l e ? |
| 08:22.35 | Kevin` | Gigantic the bonding module might be able to do that. to have downloads on the other connection would probably need configuration of the other end |
| 08:22.38 | Gigantic | suppaman: It's Firefox (TM) |
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| 08:22.41 | solars | hey, is there a console tool like wlassistant that lets me connect to a wifi automatically? tired of typing the whole iwconfig fu |
| 08:22.57 | suppaman | I think I'm gonna install a full featured browser like FF and a smaller one, I tought of Dillo but searching "light browser" reported me iceweasel |
| 08:23.14 | solars | opera is full featured and light :) |
| 08:23.15 | Kevin` | suppaman on my pda i'm using minimo, which seems rather nice |
| 08:23.16 | Gigantic | solars: make an script |
| 08:23.17 | Kevin` | good support |
| 08:23.24 | suppaman | I'm pretty out the linux/gnu world |
| 08:23.28 | Supaplex | dillo is much ligher than opera or mozilla flavors |
| 08:23.30 | Kevin` | opera doesn't work on anything except my pcs so I don't use it |
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| 08:23.32 | Gigantic | I was used to Opera,... |
| 08:23.46 | Gigantic | until I founa very nasty sec wholes... |
| 08:23.59 | Gigantic | sec=security |
| 08:23.59 | solars | Gigantic, I'd still have to select the networks by hand, besides that I'm sure there is something and I don't want to reinvent the wheel |
| 08:24.13 | suppaman | Kevin`: it's not in repository, is it ? |
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| 08:24.28 | Kevin` | suppaman it's in the angstrom repository, not sure about debian ;) |
| 08:24.31 | Gigantic | solars: nothing complicated, but you can use kwifimanager |
| 08:24.43 | suppaman | !angstrom ? |
| 08:24.46 | suppaman | !angstrom |
| 08:24.47 | Supaplex | Gigantic: I'd chase down traffic shaping, maybe there's a way with that. but unless the other side cooperates, you might get disappointed. good luck. =) |
| 08:24.48 | solars | Gigantic, isn't that a gui app ? |
| 08:25.01 | Kevin` | suppaman angstrom-distribution.org iirc |
| 08:25.16 | suppaman | Kevin`: sorry but I still havent'a browser |
| 08:25.26 | Kevin` | oh. install one then |
| 08:25.42 | Kevin` | I like to keep links2 on hand for console work |
| 08:25.47 | Kevin` | (browser) |
| 08:25.47 | Gigantic | yes, I have two dsl lines and we can switch 'em to change the params with the ISP |
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| 08:27.40 | Gigantic | Kevin`: oh... bonding... |
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| 08:28.11 | suppaman | aah I had forgot how can an unconsistent interface suck. I adore it |
| 08:29.23 | amphi | suppaman: w3m is pleasant, I find |
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| 08:29.56 | suppaman | xvt should do colour, from what I can read. it's a Vt100 emulator, is that an issue? |
| 08:30.08 | suppaman | amphi: what's w3m ? |
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| 08:30.37 | amphi | suppaman: a console browser |
| 08:30.44 | Gigantic | suppaman: w3m is like lynx but 'better' |
| 08:30.50 | suppaman | amphi: thanks |
| 08:31.21 | suppaman | btw dillo cannot resolve address, while network is obviously working, as I'm using apt-get, ircing and pinging hosts over internet |
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| 08:32.17 | ice63 | Gigantic: i have never used w3m but i have lynx |
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| 08:33.47 | Lethias | Hey when applying kernel patches, do you have to apply all patches available for that kernel or just the most recently released one. |
| 08:33.59 | amphi | ice63: w3m does some things better than lynx; tables for example |
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| 08:34.24 | Kevin` | w3m > links > lynx, but I don't know how to use w3m completely so I use links |
| 08:34.40 | ice63 | amphi: hmm ok |
| 08:35.11 | DawnLight | is there a way to access a computer that is behind NAT from the outside without having access to configure port forwarding on the NAT machine? |
| 08:35.36 | Kevin` | DawnLight make an outgoing connection from that computer |
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| 08:35.45 | psyco-obiwan | DawnLight: if you have control about the machine behind nat, yes. |
| 08:35.59 | psyco-obiwan | use netcat or such a like for a reverse shell |
| 08:36.14 | DawnLight | i would imagine that i will need some sort of referral server? |
| 08:36.34 | psyco-obiwan | DawnLight: referal ? |
| 08:36.35 | Kevin` | DawnLight don't make it complex, just connect to yourself |
| 08:36.55 | Kevin` | DawnLight I like to just use an ssh connection and forward a port reverse |
| 08:37.23 | DawnLight | i want access to my box from anywhere |
| 08:37.49 | Kevin` | do you have another computer somewhere on the Real World you can connect things two? |
| 08:38.02 | Kevin` | why don't you have access to the nat configuration, company/school? |
| 08:38.06 | simonrvn | s,to,to, |
| 08:38.08 | DawnLight | that is what i meant by referral service |
| 08:38.09 | simonrvn | er |
| 08:38.12 | simonrvn | s,two,to, |
| 08:38.45 | simonrvn | just hop from the router / gateway to the other box via ssh or such |
| 08:38.48 | Kevin` | when I was in your situation before, I just make an ssh connection that reopened itself if it died, but if I did it now, i'd use openvpn and make a proper tunnel |
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| 08:39.39 | DawnLight | and what if i don't have another box that can be accessed from the internet? |
| 08:39.48 | simonrvn | yeh, if you need something more stable a vpn is the way to go |
| 08:39.59 | Kevin` | DawnLight get one or use one of those annoying services you see advertised |
| 08:40.27 | psyco-obiwan | or get a shell account that lets you do tunnels |
| 08:40.46 | Kevin` | I would offer a shell account if you want, but i'm moving soon so it will go down until internet is sorted :) |
| 08:40.47 | DawnLight | i didn't see anything advertised... i use dyndns.org for dynamic dns. do they have such a thing? how would this be called? |
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| 08:42.12 | Gigantic | *muahaha |
| 08:42.18 | Kevin` | there's a couple services out there that bypass nat for vpn or remote access, most of them happen to be for windows since there's less demand for that sort of thing from people who can configure routers (and I personally haven't looked for them) |
| 08:42.20 | psyco-obiwan | DawnLight: i remember i remote control over irc, the recipe is in o'reilly's 100 irc hacks book |
| 08:43.13 | Kevin` | irc would be interesting to use, but it's a shit slow middle server for anything except establishing connections |
| 08:43.21 | Kevin` | maybe possible with udp tunnel |
| 08:43.22 | psyco-obiwan | basically a bot that you can send shell commands auth'ed with a password |
| 08:43.47 | Kevin` | my bot can already do that ;) |
| 08:43.57 | psyco-obiwan | this way you could setup the reverse tunnel over irc. but probably its easier to hack the nat device *lol* |
| 08:44.15 | simonrvn | makes for an interesting porject though |
| 08:44.18 | simonrvn | pro* |
| 08:44.56 | simonrvn | certainly easier to just set up the router/gateway properly ;) |
| 08:45.20 | psyco-obiwan | depens if you're more the programmer or more the networking type of guy ;-) |
| 08:45.29 | psyco-obiwan | s/depens/depends/ |
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| 08:45.52 | simonrvn | oh man, our drum might be going to val d'or/ lac simon pow-wow :). that'd be so cool, out in the bush, even for a weekend |
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| 08:46.18 | simonrvn | true. long time i was the latter, i'm slwoly picking more the former skills |
| 08:46.27 | simonrvn | picking up* |
| 08:47.13 | simonrvn | they each have their uses i think |
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| 08:47.47 | psyco-obiwan | thats a balanced oppinion...maybe talk to an oo guy and get reeducated and brainwashed like they try with me currently... |
| 08:48.09 | Kevin` | primary advantage of oo is it can be more readable and quicker to maintaian for a large project. does that make it better? :) |
| 08:48.20 | simonrvn | i'm getting into ruby again after not touching it for a while. studied and learned another language before that, so i could get some logic skills (was almost always poor at maths) |
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| 08:48.40 | suppaman | how can I check if xvt is able to display color ? |
| 08:48.43 | suppaman | colors* |
| 08:48.58 | simonrvn | i learned procedural at first, but my brain seems to adapt to oo better |
| 08:48.58 | psyco-obiwan | yeah, if i knew what maths could be good for i would have definitely given it more attention 25 yrs ago... |
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| 08:49.04 | simonrvn | suppaman: it can |
| 08:49.19 | suppaman | simonrvn: irssi isn't displaying colors, what can it be ? |
| 08:49.27 | DawnLight | so today is the seventh day, 7/7/2007 |
| 08:49.30 | simonrvn | same... *counts* almost 20 years ago for me |
| 08:49.32 | suppaman | simonrvn: btw I noticed you're on #debianppc |
| 08:49.54 | simonrvn | suppaman: just need to use a theme that does them |
| 08:49.57 | simonrvn | yes |
| 08:50.03 | suppaman | simonrvn: a irssi theme ? |
| 08:50.06 | suppaman | an* |
| 08:50.08 | simonrvn | yes |
| 08:50.14 | simonrvn | irssi.org ;) |
| 08:50.20 | suppaman | simonrvn: I had a weird issue with yaboot, now I reinstalled debian |
| 08:50.46 | simonrvn | ybin ybin ybin ;) |
| 08:50.48 | psyco-obiwan | oh...7.7.2007 = 23 .... oh.oh... |
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| 08:50.51 | suppaman | simonrvn: I mistakenly changed partition=4 to =3 in yaboot.conf and then I wasn't able to mount the rootfs anymore |
| 08:50.59 | simonrvn | woops |
| 08:51.02 | suppaman | simonrvn: what's with ybin ? |
| 08:51.30 | simonrvn | some issues can be fixed with running it. just that |
| 08:51.47 | suppaman | the point is that ybin was unaccessible to me |
| 08:51.59 | suppaman | I have OS X on partition 3 and Debian on partition 4 |
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| 08:52.02 | roland | hi |
| 08:52.07 | simonrvn | yeh, changing your partition number in your cof will do that ;) |
| 08:52.11 | simonrvn | conf* |
| 08:52.24 | roland | i need to listen to a radio station broadcast in totem movie player, but im missing plugins(probably the mp3) what do i need to install |
| 08:52.29 | roland | to support all music formats |
| 08:52.36 | suppaman | simonrvn: the poin is that even launching the kernel by hand I couldn't moutn the root fs, I got a VFS sync error |
| 08:52.37 | roland | what packages |
| 08:52.41 | simonrvn | !tell roland -about search |
| 08:52.53 | suppaman | even passing correct root= and initrd= parameters |
| 08:53.40 | roland | didnt get good results with apt-cache search |
| 08:53.41 | roland | :( |
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| 08:54.45 | simonrvn | roland: how about totem plugin as a search? |
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| 08:55.08 | simonrvn | eh, sleep time |
| 08:55.21 | psyco-obiwan | simonrvn: i thinks its only in debian-multimedia |
| 08:55.24 | psyco-obiwan | good night! |
| 08:55.31 | psyco-obiwan | its early morning here |
| 08:55.37 | simonrvn | same |
| 08:55.43 | psyco-obiwan | oh ;-) |
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| 08:57.52 | pocukrani | when i try to update : |
| 08:57.56 | pocukrani | Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages |
| 08:57.56 | pocukrani | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:58.17 | pocukrani | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 08:58.17 | pocukrani | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 08:58.21 | pocukrani | and more |
| 08:58.23 | Paracha | Its a bug |
| 08:58.26 | Paracha | :) |
| 08:58.48 | pocukrani | and how to remove it? |
| 08:58.50 | pocukrani | :=) |
| 08:59.03 | pocukrani | it`s fresh install |
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| 08:59.17 | Paracha | hehe just patch it with router connected with debian.com |
| 08:59.18 | Paracha | :P |
| 08:59.30 | DawnLight | can someone point me in the right direction for how to do this tunneling? i am willing to read and learn my ass off for this but i don't know the terminology and it would save me some time tears. |
| 08:59.32 | pocukrani | sure |
| 08:59.33 | pocukrani | :> |
| 09:00.02 | psyco-obiwan | what solution do you want to go for DawnLight ? There have been many thrown in .. |
| 09:01.01 | pocukrani | Paracha, you can update? |
| 09:01.03 | DawnLight | i am thinking VPN for the stability. my wireless network here goes down often |
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| 09:01.49 | Edgy_Eft | hi, in welcher quelle finde ich denn pcmcia-source? |
| 09:01.52 | cast | DawnLight: openvpn is easy enough VPN wise, not that i know what you're talking about |
| 09:01.58 | Paracha | letme try dude |
| 09:02.14 | psyco-obiwan | DawnLight: then your vpn will go down too i think, but it may reestablish again after connections comes back |
| 09:02.16 | Paracha | Yoow packages.gz are available |
| 09:02.18 | Paracha | :) |
| 09:02.28 | Edgy_Eft | in wich apt source i can find pcmcia-source? |
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| 09:03.01 | Paracha | Edgy_Eft : aptitude serach pcmcia-source |
| 09:03.09 | Edgy_Eft | thx |
| 09:03.13 | Paracha | hehe |
| 09:03.15 | Paracha | :D |
| 09:03.36 | Paracha | you are welcome dude |
| 09:03.46 | Edgy_Eft | nothing found :( |
| 09:03.50 | Paracha | aha |
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| 09:03.57 | Paracha | are u using ubuntu ? |
| 09:04.04 | suppaman | I got a theme |
| 09:04.09 | suppaman | but it's not colored at all |
| 09:04.17 | Edgy_Eft | no, i am switching i try to install my wifi card in debian etch |
| 09:04.32 | suppaman | btw where should I put the "/set" command to have them run at startup ? |
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| 09:05.08 | streuner_ | suppaman: irrsi? just check FAQ at irssi.org out |
| 09:05.17 | streuner_ | its there, IIRC |
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| 09:05.29 | Paracha | Edgy_Eft : tldp.org/HOWTO/Wireless-Link-sys-WPC11/x134.html |
| 09:05.35 | Edgy_Eft | thx! |
| 09:05.38 | Paracha | :) |
| 09:06.04 | samesame | is it possible to replace your router with a computer what connects directly to your ADSL line running software such as http://www.pfsense.com ? |
| 09:06.32 | Edgy_Eft | i just cant find pcmcia-source for apt-get install....in ubuntu it is in universe...but ther is no universe in debian 8) |
| 09:06.34 | Paracha | samesame : Yeah with router Os u can do that |
| 09:06.51 | psyco-obiwan | samesame: if your adsl modem is able to run in bridging mode and you load pppoe it will, yes |
| 09:06.54 | suppaman | I just installed etherape to see graphical network traffic, but is the tool just for traffic on my host or can I use it with promiscuous mode ? I'd like to see on local network what computer is generating the most traffic |
| 09:07.14 | samesame | Paracha: at the end of the day my router is plugged into the mains sucking electric, id rather that be another computer! |
| 09:07.22 | psyco-obiwan | suppaman: are you connected to a switch or hub? |
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| 09:07.38 | Paracha | samesame : just give a try to IpCop firewall :) |
| 09:07.38 | samesame | im sure a computer running the correct software would be x1000 more powerful than any cisco or netgear router..! |
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| 09:07.49 | psyco-obiwan | samesame: WRONG. |
| 09:07.52 | samesame | why? |
| 09:07.56 | psyco-obiwan | regarding cisco... |
| 09:08.02 | suppaman | psyco-obiwan: I've got both, I know the swtich won't flood the channel |
| 09:08.16 | samesame | a cisco is running software the same as ac |
| 09:08.21 | samesame | computer what is embedded on chips |
| 09:08.21 | suppaman | psyco-obiwan: to see ethernet I'll connect to the hub |
| 09:08.28 | psyco-obiwan | samesame: ciscos are specialized in hardware on packet handling/queueing and such... |
| 09:08.50 | psyco-obiwan | suppaman: then you should see the whole traffic on that hub in promiscous mode |
| 09:09.00 | samesame | does that mean my netgear is also specialized in hardware for networking, better than a computer would be? |
| 09:09.10 | Edgy_Eft | "could not find pcmcia-source" |
| 09:09.17 | Edgy_Eft | arg |
| 09:09.22 | Paracha | psyco-obiwan : I dont agree you , its not about how cisci handle the packets better , the question is about who is most poerful , or could be more powerful ? |
| 09:09.32 | Paracha | *cisco |
| 09:09.36 | suppaman | psyco-obiwan: I asked as I didn't saw an "promiscuous" option |
| 09:09.37 | psyco-obiwan | samesame: you'll need a lot of effort to make your computer as effective as any router device (given same hardware power) |
| 09:09.39 | Edgy_Eft | are ther other sources i have to declare in aptitute sourcelist? |
| 09:09.47 | psyco-obiwan | suppaman: running it as root ? |
| 09:10.01 | psyco-obiwan | onyl root can set if's to pm mode |
| 09:10.23 | psyco-obiwan | s/onyl/only/ |
| 09:10.55 | Paracha | Edgy_Eft : Dude , First go to debian website and see in faqs , whats your question is ? |
| 09:10.56 | suppaman | psyco-obiwan: sudo |
| 09:11.09 | psyco-obiwan | that should do.. |
| 09:11.17 | suppaman | psyco-obiwan: yes but I cannot see an option in prefs |
| 09:11.48 | suppaman | btw I'm not that sure I've got an hub too, I'm using an edimax 6104k that has 4 lan ports, but I think they are just a hub |
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| 09:12.14 | Paracha | suppaman : Its hub or switch ? |
| 09:12.16 | psyco-obiwan | suppaman: hang on, im launching my ape |
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| 09:13.29 | Paracha | bbl guyz |
| 09:13.31 | suppaman | Paracha: that's what I'm not able to say |
| 09:13.36 | roland | how do i play mp3 in totem , what package do i need |
| 09:13.39 | roland | i cant find it using search |
| 09:13.46 | psyco-obiwan | suppaman: my etherape on sarge just goes into pm mode, you must be behind a switch |
| 09:14.15 | suppaman | psyco-obiwan: I'm currently connected to a switch, but how do you say that ? just looking at graphic ? |
| 09:14.16 | psyco-obiwan | roland: google for "totem mp3 debian" |
| 09:14.31 | psyco-obiwan | suppaman: sorry? |
| 09:15.11 | suppaman | psyco-obiwan: how can you say "etherape goes in promiscuous mode" ? |
| 09:15.26 | Edgy_Eft | debian faq is saying "Can't find that package, at least not in that suite and on that architecture" |
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| 09:15.50 | psyco-obiwan | because i see traffic between other hosts on my etherape, that is connected to a small hub, which is uplinked to a larger switch |
| 09:16.28 | Paracha | Edgy_Eft : PLz just set you sftware oackags settings , u need edit your seourceslist |
| 09:16.38 | Paracha | *packages , |
| 09:16.48 | suppaman | psyco-obiwan: so you say it by loking at etherape's output, that's what I was asking |
| 09:16.52 | suppaman | looking* |
| 09:16.55 | hark | Edgy_Eft: what package are you looking for? |
| 09:17.02 | Edgy_Eft | pcmcia-source |
| 09:17.04 | psyco-obiwan | suppaman: y |
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| 09:18.18 | hark | Edgy_Eft: and what debian version? |
| 09:19.33 | suppaman | ok bye |
| 09:19.35 | suppaman | have to go |
| 09:19.36 | suppaman | thanks |
| 09:20.24 | lkthomas | guys |
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| 09:20.44 | lkthomas | I want to use rsync to sync with other machine after ftp upload web site is completed |
| 09:20.51 | lkthomas | should I run rsync every mins then ? |
| 09:21.47 | psyco-obiwan | sorry lkthomas im not sure what your after |
| 09:22.50 | hark | Edgy_Eft: well, i have to go now. just install pcmciautils, the kernel modules are already in the kernel iirc |
| 09:23.04 | Edgy_Eft | thx |
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| 09:24.33 | ChaosR | MP3 does not work anymore. not work as in: amarok says he can't find a decoder. This happened after I updated it to version 1.4.6 |
| 09:25.15 | quasisane | ChaosR: you are using the arts output in Amarok? |
| 09:25.34 | ChaosR | quasisane: don't think I am, i've set it to alsa |
| 09:25.43 | quasisane | hmm ... different issue then |
| 09:25.44 | Gigantic | use Xine |
| 09:25.57 | quasisane | Amarok uses xine as it's backend |
| 09:26.06 | Gigantic | by default |
| 09:26.13 | cast | quasisane: it can, you mean |
| 09:26.30 | ChaosR | quasisane: what could be wrong if it is using arts |
| 09:26.46 | Gigantic | the thing is that the pluggin is not supported (or not found) |
| 09:26.58 | Gigantic | ChaosR: can you play it with ... kaffeine? |
| 09:27.51 | ChaosR | sec |
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| 09:30.00 | pocukrani | please help! i can`t update system |
| 09:30.07 | ChaosR | Gigantic: no |
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| 09:30.15 | cast | pocukrani: and its etch? |
| 09:30.23 | pocukrani | yes |
| 09:30.24 | Gigantic | ChaosR: something is wrong wihtt Xine seamingly |
| 09:30.42 | Gigantic | pocukrani: update != upgrade |
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| 09:30.50 | ChaosR | Gigantic: it has no problems with flac, though |
| 09:30.55 | pocukrani | i know |
| 09:30.58 | MUTU | Hi, what is the FTP daemon generally installed on Debian servers pls? |
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| 09:31.03 | Gigantic | ChaosR: flac is open |
| 09:31.10 | cast | pocukrani: so whats the error. |
| 09:31.15 | Noborusan | Hi,guys,i need help |
| 09:31.20 | Gigantic | ChaosR: did it play mp3's before I guess |
| 09:31.26 | cast | MUTU: might be vsftpd, that is certainly one of the best |
| 09:31.33 | pocukrani | Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release.gpg |
| 09:31.33 | pocukrani | Ign http://ftp.si.debian.org etch Release.gpg |
| 09:31.33 | pocukrani | Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release |
| 09:31.33 | pocukrani | Ign http://ftp.si.debian.org etch Release |
| 09:31.33 | pocukrani | Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages |
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| 09:31.50 | pocukrani | Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages |
| 09:31.50 | pocukrani | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.54 | ChaosR | Gigantic: yes, like I said, it stopped playing them when I updated amarok to version 1.4.6 (i'm using lenny) |
| 09:31.59 | Gigantic | pocukrani: do not paste |
| 09:32.00 | Noborusan | I am not sure if i once have had it made that to install grub on XFS system,but this time i ve tried many times,all were failure |
| 09:32.05 | pocukrani | ok |
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| 09:32.18 | Noborusan | or,it does can work but need some tricks in partition part ? |
| 09:32.38 | cast | grub doesn't play with XFS, the debian installer warns you about it too |
| 09:32.53 | Noborusan | cast, yeah,i noticed,and it hung there |
| 09:33.06 | Gigantic | ChaosR: ah.... well but kaffeine doesn't work either... I'd reinstall xine and /or remove ~/.xine |
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| 09:33.10 | Noborusan | any tricks to get it around ? |
| 09:33.11 | Edgy_Eft | deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool pcmcia-cs worked for me |
| 09:33.15 | Edgy_Eft | thanks @ all ;) |
| 09:33.22 | cast | put /boot on a small ext3 partition, there's really not much argument for needing /boot on an xfs partition |
| 09:33.54 | Noborusan | cast, you mean manually creat a /boot and it MUST be NOT XFS ? |
| 09:34.06 | Noborusan | i meant 'Must not be' |
| 09:34.08 | hark | Edgy_Eft: that's deprecated now fyi |
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| 09:34.10 | cast | Noborusan: /boot must not be XFS. correct. |
| 09:34.11 | MUTU | cast: thanks |
| 09:34.30 | Noborusan | cast, I see, and usually, 50MB is enough for /boot ? |
| 09:34.48 | cast | Noborusan: 14M /boot, yeah, 50MB will be fine. |
| 09:35.29 | Noborusan | cast, Thank You,let me try,by the way, during install, there is menu pop up and by default 'standard system' is checkmarketed |
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| 09:35.45 | Noborusan | so if i would want a really basic system, shall i let it go or uncheckmark it ? |
| 09:35.59 | cast | Noborusan: is this in tasksel? i untick everything |
| 09:36.11 | Noborusan | i will do the same,Thanks again. |
| 09:36.20 | siimo | hi what video player is available on debian lenny currently that works? vlc is not in lenny and xine is but it stopped working today after an update o_o |
| 09:36.24 | Noborusan | brb,swithing computer. |
| 09:36.27 | cast | !tell Noborusan about aptitude |
| 09:36.30 | Noborusan | switching* |
| 09:36.32 | cast | [just in case :] |
| 09:36.38 | Noborusan | ok |
| 09:36.42 | sion1968 | Noborusan, there is a guide out there for a minimal install with only X |
| 09:36.52 | cahoot | siimo, mplayer is the genereci answer |
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| 09:37.30 | anapivirtua | Hi world. |
| 09:37.34 | siimo | i thought mplayer wouldn't support nonfree codecs in debian |
| 09:37.38 | Noborusan | sion1968, no X is needed,this is a server |
| 09:37.41 | ChaosR | Gigantic: it seemed xine wasn't installed at all |
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| 09:37.48 | ChaosR | seems* |
| 09:38.03 | sion1968 | Noborusan, google for 'debian minimal', you wont need to install X if you don't want it |
| 09:38.10 | Gigantic | ChaosR: maybe apt remove it and we didn't read it ;) |
| 09:38.21 | Noborusan | okay |
| 09:38.33 | ChaosR | Gigantic: it works now, I've installed it |
| 09:38.37 | cast | sion1968: as hes not going to select anything in tasksel i think he'll be fine :) |
| 09:38.43 | dexter | don't need X ? command line junkies ? :-P |
| 09:38.50 | Noborusan | by the way, shall i recompile kernel right now or do it later after i post my server to the datacenter ? |
| 09:38.57 | sion1968 | cast, probably, the method used there is to NOT use any net mirrors |
| 09:39.03 | ChaosR | now I wonder, if amarok uses xine, and there was no xine, how could it play flac |
| 09:39.20 | Gigantic | play |
| 09:39.34 | Gigantic | play somefile.flac |
| 09:40.03 | Gigantic | ah, no... play no... |
| 09:40.11 | Noborusan | brb |
| 09:41.45 | Gigantic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:46.34 | pigats | hello everybody. need some advice in making the debian init more fancy (with colours and text alignements... like the gentoo init, to have an idea) |
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| 09:50.20 | MangosDebian | pigats: well, it isnt colors inits, but bootsplash is nice |
| 09:50.30 | wols_ | !bootsplash |
| 09:50.30 | dpkg | well, bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot |
| 09:50.49 | wols_ | also use the kernel param "quiet" |
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| 09:51.11 | MangosDebian | ive been meaning to ask, is there a quiet for grub too? |
| 09:51.20 | Gigantic | pigats: You want LSB |
| 09:51.25 | MangosDebian | to avoid listing the kernel/initrd boot line i mean |
| 09:51.37 | Gigantic | pigats: But is not the way Debian makes it, |
| 09:51.57 | pigats | well, I was not really looking for hiding the kernel messages, but to stylize them |
| 09:52.02 | Gigantic | pigats: But I guess you can just edit the init scripts |
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| 09:52.38 | sussudio | %info bootsplash |
| 09:52.51 | Gigantic | sussudio: no, no bootsplash |
| 09:53.10 | badgers | bootsplash: (Enables a graphical boot screen), section graphics, is optional. Version: 3.3-7 (sid), Packaged size: 83 kB, Installed size: 220 kB |
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| 09:53.44 | Gigantic | pigats: svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/ddclient/trunk/svn ddclient |
| 09:53.45 | pigats | Gigantic, u said that editing the init scripts manually I should be able to get colours and alignements working? |
| 09:53.58 | Gigantic | pigats: it is an example LAB |
| 09:54.01 | Gigantic | LSB |
| 09:54.27 | Gigantic | pigats: kind of |
| 09:54.32 | Gigantic | yes |
| 09:54.42 | pigats | Gigantic, why debian doesn't have LSB by default? |
| 09:55.00 | utrrrongeeb | I find that the Xfce Generic Monitor panel applet doesn't work in Etch. |
| 09:55.07 | Gigantic | pigats: http://initscripts-ng.alioth.debian.org/soc2006-bootsystem/lsblist.html |
| 09:55.47 | semprix | how do i install skype on debian? |
| 09:55.51 | semprix | download source? |
| 09:55.59 | Gigantic | pigats: Well it din't in Sarge... dunno about Etch :( |
| 09:56.09 | MangosDebian | pigats: http://s193.photobucket.com/albums/z63/mangosdebian/?action=view¤t=mangosdebian.jpg password "thanks" |
| 09:56.12 | Gigantic | semprix: from the site |
| 09:56.14 | quasisane | semprix: they have a deb you can download |
| 09:56.19 | cahoot | semprix, the dynamic binary has worked for me |
| 09:56.19 | Gigantic | semprix: skype.com |
| 09:56.27 | semprix | thank you |
| 09:56.41 | quasisane | they also have it on an apt repository |
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| 09:57.08 | semprix | ok im really new to debian how do i install thi deb file> |
| 09:57.09 | semprix | ? |
| 09:57.13 | semprix | just run it? |
| 09:57.27 | quasisane | semprix: dpkg -i packagename |
| 09:57.31 | Gigantic | spkg -i file.deb |
| 09:57.37 | Gigantic | :) |
| 09:57.39 | cahoot | Sememmon, you want to read the debian reference |
| 09:57.45 | cahoot | semprix, |
| 09:57.51 | pigats | Gigantic, there isn't in etch too |
| 09:57.55 | Paracha | Can any one donate me shell.vps to test asterisk server ? Ill install and configure the server :P |
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| 09:58.11 | pigats | MangosDebian, thx for the screenshot |
| 09:58.12 | Gigantic | s/too/either |
| 09:58.18 | Paracha | I m on Sucking Windows Xp |
| 09:58.19 | semprix | cahoot, where is that debian reference |
| 09:58.37 | Gigantic | Paracha: Great! |
| 09:58.42 | semprix | id really love to read it than asking questions which *really* annoys everyone |
| 09:58.45 | Gigantic | Paracha: aske here: #windows |
| 09:58.52 | Paracha | Gigantic : You looking intrtested :) |
| 09:58.53 | semprix | can you give a link? |
| 09:58.53 | cahoot | semprix, aptitude search reference |
| 09:59.01 | Gigantic | Paracha: #asterix |
| 09:59.03 | pigats | well, u've all been really useful. thanks a lot. |
| 09:59.07 | pigats | thx, Gigantic |
| 09:59.09 | pigats | bye |
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| 09:59.18 | utrrrongeeb | I find that the Xfce Generic Monitor panel applet doesn't work in Etch. I can put in the panel, but it doesn't work. |
| 09:59.22 | Paracha | lolz |
| 09:59.26 | itchi | !grounding |
| 09:59.26 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 09:59.41 | Paracha | Gigantic : You also sucks like windows |
| 09:59.51 | Paracha | Gigantic : There is not channel |
| 09:59.56 | semprix | !aptitude |
| 09:59.56 | dpkg | i guess aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
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| 10:00.15 | Gigantic | !bitchslap Paracha |
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| 10:00.31 | Paracha | lolz |
| 10:00.33 | Paracha | :D |
| 10:00.39 | Paracha | dont slap me dude |
| 10:00.43 | Paracha | !whois Paracha |
| 10:00.47 | Paracha | `uptime |
| 10:00.49 | Paracha | `chaninfo |
| 10:00.56 | Paracha | `say I m paracha's Bot |
| 10:01.27 | itchi | semprix: Try out /msg dpkg grounding the same way goes for the other info dpkg may give you in private channel |
| 10:01.36 | wols_ | Paracha: can you please stop? |
| 10:01.49 | Paracha | wols_ : Sure |
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| 10:02.46 | AngusRF | 3 |
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| 10:03.42 | semprix | dependency problems - leaving unconfigured |
| 10:03.44 | wols_ | MangosDebian: sure there is. set a low/non existing timeout and choose the default kernel |
| 10:03.50 | semprix | got that when trying to install skype |
| 10:03.57 | wols_ | semprix: /msg dpkg bat |
| 10:04.02 | wols_ | also: skype is not in debian iirc |
| 10:04.34 | MangosDebian | wols_: no, i mean after you pick the kernel it pastes 5 or 6 lines of text. but it also stays on the screen for about 5 seconds until my vga= mode kicks in |
| 10:05.24 | semprix | wols_, i downloaded the .deb file on the skype site |
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| 10:05.58 | wols_ | MangosDebian: some bootsplash thingie might work |
| 10:06.03 | wols_ | semprix: I asked you something |
| 10:06.52 | MangosDebian | wols_: seems like a grub thing. i mean it is grub after all thats displaying it. oh well ill check the man page some tme and see |
| 10:07.25 | wols_ | MangosDebian: after grub is loading the kernel (you pressing enter) grub isn't displaying anything |
| 10:07.33 | semprix | wols_, nvm got it |
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| 10:07.45 | wols_ | and if you set a low timeout, then grub isn't shwoing anything at all |
| 10:07.55 | wols_ | well. "loading grub" it will always show I guess |
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| 10:08.25 | MangosDebian | wols_: i mean the time after you press enter. even with quiet passed it seems like grub still shows the kernel/initrd mem locations while it unpacks and loads |
| 10:08.49 | MangosDebian | ill see if i can catch a screeny or something for you |
| 10:09.03 | wols_ | I know what you mean but that is not grub |
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| 10:09.09 | fasta | Why does find . -not -empty work and find . -not (-empty) doesn't? |
| 10:09.12 | wols_ | and I told you what i think you could do |
| 10:09.59 | fasta | I want to make a more complicated nested expression, but the grammar says this should work, but it doesn't. |
| 10:10.18 | MangosDebian | wols_: oh ill tell you what to do alright! ;P |
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| 10:11.08 | wols_ | MangosDebian: why would you? |
| 10:11.17 | wols_ | and what makes you think I do what you tell me? |
| 10:11.32 | MangosDebian | wols_: lol, you missed the audio on that one ;) |
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| 10:17.10 | Internat | if a file runs as setuid , when i execute the file, will it show up as me running i, or the owner |
| 10:17.44 | MangosDebian | the owner of the file |
| 10:17.47 | cast | hmm, no, i think it will run as the owner of the file |
| 10:18.04 | Gigantic | no you are both wrong |
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| 10:18.14 | MangosDebian | there is effictive uid and uid though iirc |
| 10:18.15 | cast | we fail. |
| 10:18.15 | Gigantic | ti will run as the owner |
| 10:18.31 | MangosDebian | not sure how that comes into play |
| 10:18.45 | MangosDebian | Gigantic: didnt i say the owner? |
| 10:18.46 | cast | Gigantic: aren't you saying the same thing we are? |
| 10:19.03 | MangosDebian | :) |
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| 10:19.29 | cast | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setuid |
| 10:19.32 | Internat | so it wont run as me? |
| 10:19.38 | Gigantic | nope |
| 10:19.40 | Internat | will ps aux show it running as me or them? |
| 10:19.45 | MangosDebian | Internat: thats the whole point of suid's |
| 10:19.59 | Gigantic | but it will still be logged that the file is being run from a console owned by you |
| 10:20.07 | Gigantic | so, it can be backtraced! |
| 10:20.44 | cast | rm 17484 0.0 0.0 11896 1332 pts/6 SL+ 19:50 0:00 gpg |
| 10:20.57 | Internat | where does it log? |
| 10:21.11 | MangosDebian | ps show you |
| 10:21.21 | Internat | hmms.. |
| 10:21.30 | cast | [gpg is setuid. so i'm confused too] |
| 10:21.41 | MangosDebian | gpg is? |
| 10:21.49 | cast | to lock pages, or something. |
| 10:22.01 | MangosDebian | ahh ya would make sense |
| 10:22.10 | MangosDebian | or else your keys would get cached to disk |
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| 10:22.39 | Internat | ok so if a file is setuid/setguid root:root.. i assume the file has to have o+x for everyone to execute it? |
| 10:23.03 | Gigantic | the user does not run gpg setuided directly tho |
| 10:23.31 | Gigantic | Internat: not everyone need to be able to execute it |
| 10:23.39 | SmallR2002 | anyone else having vmware issues with the latest kernel? |
| 10:23.58 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 10:23.58 | dpkg | from memory, vmware is Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 10:23.59 | Internat | well if i want everyone to ebe able tol execute this file |
| 10:24.10 | Internat | and execute it as root |
| 10:24.17 | MangosDebian | Internat: then yes o+x |
| 10:24.25 | Gigantic | you can set the same persissions, just that it'll run as if were run by the target user (which need to be authorized to exec) |
| 10:24.43 | SmallR2002 | wols_, i was wondering if there was anyone here who could give me a little community support if they happened to be in receipt of appropriate knowledge :) |
| 10:25.03 | MangosDebian | i think there are issues with suid scripts though |
| 10:25.08 | Internat | grr.. why the hell is maildrop dieing then |
| 10:25.24 | Internat | as root it does what it wants to.. as the vuser it dies |
| 10:25.26 | MangosDebian | not sure if suid is ignored or only if its writable by others |
| 10:25.38 | Internat | vuser has execute via the o+x |
| 10:27.21 | Gigantic | Internat: is Postfix as root too? |
| 10:28.50 | Gigantic | Internat: http://www.postfix.org/MAILDROP_README.html |
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| 10:34.32 | Gigantic | !qotd0 |
| 10:34.32 | dpkg | [qotd159] <Brian_L> cd #debian-64 |
| 10:34.42 | Gigantic | !qotd0 |
| 10:34.42 | dpkg | hmm... qotd166 is <azeem> bengrubb: please try to be comprensible |
| 10:34.47 | Gigantic | mmm |
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| 10:38.59 | wols_ | SmallR2002: ask the vmware community then. it's their software |
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| 10:43.15 | Gigantic | btw, someone using googleearth is getting crashes since yesterday? |
| 10:43.39 | Gigantic | mine does on two computers and even reinstalled |
| 10:43.57 | Gigantic | I even try ww2 but it's not the same :0 |
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| 10:45.22 | lkthomas | guys, if debian generic kernel does not contain the module I want, can I just download the kernel source and compile the ONLY module I need ? |
| 10:45.38 | cast | m-i sounds good |
| 10:45.55 | Gigantic | lkthomas: maybe |
| 10:46.05 | Gigantic | lkthomas: just download the source and try it |
| 10:46.22 | lkthomas | cast: actually, how could I use m-a to build the module I need ? |
| 10:46.29 | Gigantic | lkthomas: sometimes it does work, another times doesn't |
| 10:46.29 | samesame | lkthomas: some of your answers might be here: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/index.en.html |
| 10:46.33 | cast | ahh, m-a sorry :) |
| 10:48.08 | lkthomas | samesame: sorry, which part is it ? |
| 10:48.15 | lkthomas | cast: so any howto ? |
| 10:48.16 | samesame | if i was to buy shell space would it be better to buy from somewhere in my own country to stop latency issues? |
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| 10:48.44 | samesame | lkthomas: check the kernel sections |
| 10:49.00 | lkthomas | samesame: does not help |
| 10:49.15 | Gigantic | buy shell? |
| 10:49.22 | samesame | yes for IRC |
| 10:49.33 | Gigantic | why? |
| 10:49.41 | cast | samesame: i'd go buy a vps instead :) |
| 10:49.42 | lkthomas | cast: does module-assistant could build kernel module from kernel source ? |
| 10:49.48 | Gigantic | anonimity? |
| 10:49.52 | cast | lkthomas: i do not know |
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| 10:51.04 | lkthomas | I repeat my question again, can I compile a kernel module without recompile the whole kernel ? |
| 10:51.12 | Gigantic | samesame: http://209.237.230.67/ |
| 10:51.37 | Gigantic | samesame: if you want anonymity that would help, but ensure to put a CLIENT |
| 10:51.40 | samesame | cast: most server companies dont allow IRC |
| 10:52.12 | Gigantic | samesame: but they do ssh ? |
| 10:52.20 | Gigantic | no irc but ssh? |
| 10:52.22 | samesame | ? |
| 10:52.39 | cast | samesame: i had a problem with a datacenter blocking irc, so i got moved to another one |
| 10:52.42 | samesame | i think server companies avoid IRC because of DoS attacks etc |
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| 10:53.09 | foutrelis | I set up a debian VPS and dnsstuff.com says that the server is blocking DNS packets from low source port numbers. A firewall issue? |
| 10:53.49 | Gigantic | foutrelis: don't think so |
| 10:54.13 | foutrelis | Gigantic: hmmm.. what could be the cause of this |
| 10:54.13 | Gigantic | samesame: well that desn't help a lot |
| 10:54.15 | foutrelis | ? |
| 10:54.43 | Gigantic | foutrelis: maybe the provider close certain ports |
| 10:54.51 | Gigantic | foutrelis: or even the ISP |
| 10:54.52 | cast | samesame: if you go with linode.com you can request what datacenter your vps is in, 2/3 allow irc |
| 10:55.08 | foutrelis | Gigantic: I'll ask them :) Thanks |
| 10:55.13 | samesame | is it really worth having a VPS just for irc? |
| 10:55.37 | Gigantic | no |
| 10:55.39 | samesame | i would of thought a chroot jailed shell account would be sufficient |
| 10:55.59 | cast | samesame: its probably not worth having a linode, since they start at 20$, but there are cheaper vps providers. at any rate i missed what the point was |
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| 10:56.33 | samesame | i think im off topic here.. |
| 10:56.43 | samesame | lets pretend they are debian based ;) |
| 10:57.02 | cast | samesame: if you merely want to mask your host on irc make a donation :) |
| 10:57.40 | samesame | i need 4 background processes, 2 eggdrop bots for my channel |
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| 10:58.28 | Gigantic | ah, so it's to mantain a bot on a channel? |
| 10:58.37 | samesame | yes |
| 10:59.05 | Gigantic | then you'll need a shell or vps indeed |
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| 10:59.20 | Gigantic | or have a lot of operators :) |
| 10:59.27 | samesame | ok |
| 10:59.42 | Gigantic | or just leave the computer always online |
| 11:00.03 | samesame | im also SERIOUSLY thinking about buying this box and installing pfSense onto it to replace to my netgear router |
| 11:00.06 | samesame | http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=10909 |
| 11:00.33 | SR71-Blackbird | !beer |
| 11:00.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 11:00.56 | Gigantic | !fullofcrap |
| 11:01.10 | Gigantic | !beer to fakuser |
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| 11:07.31 | samesame | what is openVZ ? |
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| 11:07.49 | wols_ | virtuozzo GPLed |
| 11:07.55 | wols_ | a "lite" version of it |
| 11:08.05 | Noborusan | I have just got debian installed on my server :D |
| 11:08.06 | samesame | ok |
| 11:08.10 | wols_ | so they can put in some of their crap into the kernel and doN#t have to maintain it themselves |
| 11:08.13 | Noborusan | i have to tell,the installer of etch has some bugs |
| 11:08.36 | Noborusan | it couldn't find an available kernel to intall but it worked after i manually redo the part |
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| 11:08.42 | samesame | Noborusan: the creepy crawly type? |
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| 11:09.08 | cast | samesame: os level virtualization, like verserver in debian |
| 11:09.11 | Noborusan | samesame, i don't understand you,sorry |
| 11:09.20 | cast | vserver even |
| 11:09.23 | Noborusan | hey cast,XFS is working :D,thanks |
| 11:09.27 | rlc` | sup? |
| 11:09.28 | Gigantic | like vmware |
| 11:09.34 | cast | Gigantic: no! |
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| 11:10.28 | Noborusan | So i think i should recompile kernel now before i send my server to the datacenter,cuz once its failure it won't even boot :( |
| 11:10.51 | cast | hmm, anything wrong with just a stock kernel? |
| 11:11.12 | Gigantic | well like Xen |
| 11:11.19 | Noborusan | well,you cannot connect to your server via ssh remotely when trying to use a new kernel to boot |
| 11:11.21 | cast | Gigantic: still no :P |
| 11:11.22 | sebastian | Wtf! My X doesn't boot :/ |
| 11:11.25 | Gigantic | :p |
| 11:11.28 | Noborusan | i mean,if something is wrong with the kernel |
| 11:12.18 | cast | Gigantic: vserver/openvz only run a single kernel for everything, which its advantages and limitations [you can't run another OS or kernel ver in a guest for starters...] |
| 11:12.36 | wols_ | sebastian: did you use the nvidia.com installer? |
| 11:12.42 | sebastian | wols_: Yeah... |
| 11:12.49 | psyco-obiwan | Noborusan: you maybe had an outdated installer |
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| 11:13.04 | Gigantic | cast: oh |
| 11:13.16 | cast | Gigantic: think of them like solaris containers/bsd jails |
| 11:13.21 | Noborusan | okay,here i have some question please help me, in dmesg,it says eth0: Tigon3 [parton (BCM95721) rev 4101 PHY (5750) I ( PCI EXPRESS) 10/100/1000 BASE T ETHERNET, In kernel recompile, does this card included ? |
| 11:13.44 | Noborusan | psyco-obiwan, I was installing debian etch using the 1st CD that is all. |
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| 11:13.57 | sebastian | wols_: It complains about "module already built-in" and "fatal IO error 104" |
| 11:13.58 | cast | Noborusan: see. just use a stock kernel. unless you have reason to compile your own you'll just be creating issues for yourself |
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| 11:14.17 | Noborusan | cast, what do you mean by a 'stock kernel' ? |
| 11:14.17 | wols_ | sebastian: we don't care. I told you yesterday |
| 11:14.25 | rlc` | I'll think about it |
| 11:14.51 | cast | Noborusan: one you get via aptitude install linux-image-2.6 etc....stock is one provided by debian. as opposed to one compiled by you |
| 11:14.59 | Noborusan | cast, I mean,i will recompile kernel just for Once,then i send it to the datacenter,yeah have to test it locally to make sure of course |
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| 11:15.38 | blackest | hi an idea how i can fix a messed up perl installation |
| 11:15.45 | Noborusan | cast, but i always recompile kernel using the 'regular way'not the 'debian way' |
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| 11:15.55 | cast | Noborusan: i understand what you're wanting to do, i just don't think theres any point. is there some reason not to use a stock kernel? |
| 11:16.17 | Noborusan | cast, a stock kernel,i.e. the one that comes from etch install ? |
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| 11:17.03 | cast | Noborusan: hmm. maybe we have a slight language barrier. a stock kernel is one installed with apt-get or aptitude. it is NOT compiled by you. it is compiled by debian. |
| 11:17.06 | wols_ | blackest: depends how it got messed up |
| 11:17.20 | qrck | is hal not able to be started from within an chroot ? |
| 11:17.23 | Noborusan | cast, hmm,i guess,for example,by default sound is loaded in kernel that way,so i would like to kill it and stuff i don't need. |
| 11:17.25 | wols_ | Noborusan: and there is more than one stock kernel |
| 11:17.36 | sebastian | wols_: I think the problem is that I installed Compiz yesterday.. But i'm not sure... |
| 11:17.41 | qrck | i mean do i have to start into the real system ? |
| 11:17.42 | wols_ | qrck: not without /proc, /dev, etc |
| 11:17.47 | qrck | oh |
| 11:17.51 | qrck | i didn't check dev |
| 11:18.03 | Noborusan | cast, hmmm |
| 11:18.05 | wols_ | sebastian: I told you before you installed your nvidia.com drivers: we don't support them. ask elsewhere |
| 11:18.24 | cast | Noborusan: why? for example your sound driver is probably compiled as a module, you can just blacklist it so it never loads and never takes up any memory |
| 11:18.28 | blackest | i deleted some cpan stuff |
| 11:18.28 | Deepa | how do I make sendmail accept any email sent to it? |
| 11:18.31 | qrck | wols_, it's all there... |
| 11:18.38 | qrck | i get a failure upon startup |
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| 11:19.08 | Noborusan | cast, so in most of cases, we should try the debian way to get a newer kernel rather than manually do it manually like in the old days ? |
| 11:19.52 | sebastian | wols_: What do you support then? |
| 11:20.08 | sebastian | wols_: And whatelse driver to nvidia can i use? |
| 11:20.29 | sebastian | nvidia-glx wasn't that pleasing you know.. |
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| 11:20.39 | wols_ | sebastian: the debian supplied ones |
| 11:20.44 | cast | Noborusan: well in debian you should always use make-kpkg to compile kernels, but what i'm saying is use the stock kernel. that way you'll get security updates, and a well tested kernel. you have not stated any reason to use a custom kernel at all, hence why i advise against it |
| 11:20.54 | Internat | is it a bad idea to create users/groups with .'s or -'s in the name? and if so why? |
| 11:21.09 | cast | Noborusan: but. its your box. do as you wish :) |
| 11:21.15 | wols_ | sebastian: your card will work with those drivers, so what is your problem? |
| 11:21.29 | sebastian | wols_: X doesn't start |
| 11:21.39 | sebastian | Can you support me on that then? |
| 11:21.54 | Noborusan | cast, huh ? i dont get when you say ' that way you'll get security updates' |
| 11:21.57 | wols_ | sebastian: are you running lenny or sid? |
| 11:22.14 | wols_ | Noborusan: if you compile your own kernel you have to provide your own security updates for it too |
| 11:22.22 | wols_ | if you use a debian one, debian will provide them |
| 11:22.28 | Noborusan | wols_, oh,I see |
| 11:22.28 | HostilePenguin | bery and compiz both work terrific with open drivers |
| 11:23.01 | wols_ | HostilePenguin: depends on the videocard :) |
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| 11:23.39 | Preto1ab | hello everyone |
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| 11:23.52 | HostilePenguin | yes it does what video card is sebastian using thats you cue sebastian |
| 11:24.10 | wols_ | HostilePenguin: nvidia 7950 |
| 11:24.11 | Noborusan | would you suggest me one neat kernel for me in debian way please ? i will write it down then do it the other day ,thanks. by the way, my cpu is Pentium D 2.8Ghz, in this default kernel, i do see it reports CPU0 and CPU1 ,seems it does find my dual core cpu . |
| 11:24.29 | wols_ | Noborusan: how much memory? |
| 11:24.29 | Preto1ab | how do i install the xvid codec on Debian 4.0 please |
| 11:24.45 | Noborusan | wols_, 2GIG ECC RAM now. |
| 11:25.08 | wols_ | Noborusan: the linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 11:25.19 | siimo | Preto1ab: cant you just install vlc player if its for playback |
| 11:25.46 | wols_ | Preto1ab: we need more info before we can give you an answer |
| 11:26.02 | Noborusan | wols_, i think it is listed during installing etch,however,i selected image-686 without the exact version number ;( |
| 11:26.08 | Preto1ab | siimo: i want it for use with ffmpeg to encode with the parameter -vcodec xvid |
| 11:26.17 | cast | i'd go with one with vserver enabled, linux-image-2.6-vserver, since its far better than trying to chroot services. but thats just me. |
| 11:26.21 | wols_ | Noborusan: that is 2.6.18-4 |
| 11:26.27 | Preto1ab | i already have vlc installed and working siimo |
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| 11:26.32 | HostilePenguin | then just aptitude install the proper kernel |
| 11:26.36 | siimo | avifile-xvid-plugin - XviD video encoding plugin for libavifile |
| 11:26.44 | Noborusan | wols_, so mine is alreayd a stock one ? |
| 11:26.45 | wols_ | ffmpeg |
| 11:27.10 | wols_ | Noborusan: directly after install you always have a stock debian kernel unless you use a custom installer... |
| 11:27.30 | HostilePenguin | image-686 just gives you the newest linux-image |
| 11:27.31 | wols_ | Noborusan: and with all your babbling up to now, I haven't seen a proper problem description yet |
| 11:27.35 | Noborusan | wols_, I see,so i almost do not need a newer kernel by far |
| 11:27.36 | wols_ | maybe you can give us one? |
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| 11:28.18 | Noborusan | yeah ,for example, do ifconfig -a,there is a thing named 'sit0' which i have never seen it in my debian experience |
| 11:28.44 | Noborusan | sit0 ipv6-in-ipv4 |
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| 11:29.25 | Noborusan | yeah,also in dmesg,it tries to find ipv6 protocol but it cannot,this is one of the reason i wanted to recompile kernel ,cuz i do not use ipv6.hmm |
| 11:30.25 | wols_ | Noborusan: those are not problems in the slightest |
| 11:30.30 | Noborusan | another thing is marked in red colour when boot that read as: Not starting internet superserver: no services enabled |
| 11:30.32 | wols_ | do you have a real problem? |
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| 11:30.55 | wols_ | Noborusan: come back when you have a problem |
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| 11:31.41 | jwisher | does anyone know how i can make debian get more than 1 ip address from the dhcp server? I have a dedicated server with 1&1, I ordered an extra IP address, but debian hasn't picked it up, I tried rebooting. |
| 11:32.14 | Noborusan | which command to find what service is running on a port ? |
| 11:32.14 | wols_ | jwisher: how many interfaces do you have? |
| 11:32.14 | jwisher | just 1 nic |
| 11:32.21 | wols_ | Noborusan: netstat -anp |less as root |
| 11:32.28 | Noborusan | i wanted to make sure ssh is working fine,i just did 'ps aux | grep ssh',yeah its there |
| 11:32.31 | wols_ | jwisher: that's not what I asked you. I asked you how many interfaces |
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| 11:32.34 | Noborusan | wols_, Thanks |
| 11:33.03 | wols_ | jwisher: you need a virtual interface for each additional IP |
| 11:33.18 | jwisher | oh right, there is only eth0 and lo |
| 11:33.21 | abrotman | what kind of hosting company does dhcp |
| 11:33.33 | Preto1ab | do i need a new repository to allow me to install avifile-xvid-plugin? |
| 11:34.01 | wols_ | abrotman: 1&1 I guess. and it might be easier for them than let their customers assign static IPs and fsck their network up :) |
| 11:34.20 | wols_ | Preto1ab: you need a repo for anything you install. with aptitude at least |
| 11:34.23 | abrotman | ew |
| 11:34.37 | Preto1ab | pls re-read |
| 11:34.49 | wols_ | Preto1ab: please rethink your question |
| 11:35.07 | wols_ | abrotman: 1&1 selss rootservers if you remember |
| 11:35.08 | Preto1ab | do i need a NEW repository implies i already have one |
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| 11:35.18 | abrotman | wols_: rooted ? |
| 11:35.30 | jwisher | wols_, thanks for your help i found it on google from what you said |
| 11:35.32 | wols_ | Preto1ab: do you think we are psychic? we don't know what you have right now |
| 11:35.44 | wols_ | abrotman: rootservers as the customre has root on the box |
| 11:35.46 | abrotman | !info avifile-xvid-plugin etch |
| 11:35.47 | dpkg | avifile-xvid-plugin: (XviD video encoding plugin for libavifile), section contrib/libs, is optional. Version: 1:0.7.44.20051021-2.2+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 0 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 11:35.59 | abrotman | Preto1ab: that package is in contrib .. /msg dpkg contrib |
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| 11:36.06 | wols_ | e.g. you rent a server. they put linux or windows on it. from this time you are the full admin. it is "yours" |
| 11:36.15 | Preto1ab | thanks wols_ |
| 11:36.51 | abrotman | wtf did wols_ do damn it! |
| 11:37.15 | wols_ | abrotman: being the usual, lovable smartass :P |
| 11:37.20 | HostilePenguin | i think that was an attemped kiss ass |
| 11:37.24 | abrotman | and you get all the praise! |
| 11:37.50 | wols_ | abrotman: yes, be more of a smartass and get stew to msg you :) |
| 11:38.12 | abrotman | wols_: that seems like a bad idea .. dunno |
| 11:38.31 | wols_ | well, If I'm suddenly absent, you will know why I guess :) |
| 11:38.44 | abrotman | wols_: your machine failed? |
| 11:38.48 | wols_ | thanks: i was getting peckish |
| 11:38.55 | wols_ | abrotman: unlikely but possible |
| 11:38.56 | alexbodn | bye all |
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| 11:39.14 | logd | hi, what stuff i've to add to kernel default config to support ipmasq ? |
| 11:39.19 | abrotman | wols_: you'll be going the way of mwilson? :) |
| 11:39.20 | Noborusan | hi wols_ ,please check http://pastebin.ca/607142 which info from there i must need from my ISP to configure them properly before i send it to their datacenter,so that remotely internet access by then wouldn't be a problem,thanks |
| 11:39.20 | wols_ | for me to forego my irc fix, mroe than one machine would have to fail |
| 11:39.28 | wols_ | logd: nothing. you simply use a debian kernel |
| 11:39.35 | abrotman | logd: debian kernels have that alrwady |
| 11:39.41 | Noborusan | wols_, I know they will give me a static IP,netmask,how about others ? |
| 11:39.54 | logd | i'm testing kernel 2.6.22-rc7 |
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| 11:40.20 | wols_ | Noborusan: iface eth0 inet static, not allow-hotplug... |
| 11:40.22 | Noborusan | wols_, those info are current info for my internet,they work fine. |
| 11:40.52 | Noborusan | wols_, okay,i will remove that line |
| 11:40.57 | wols_ | Noborusan: if they work for your current inet I doubt it will work for the hoster's datacenter |
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| 11:41.04 | wols_ | Noborusan: not remove. replace |
| 11:41.20 | wols_ | and there is no "auto eth0" I can see anywhere |
| 11:41.45 | Noborusan | you mean replace that line with 'auto eth0' ? |
| 11:41.47 | wols_ | ouch. I'm a dork |
| 11:41.59 | wols_ | you need a "auto eth0" instead of allow-hotpluy eth0 |
| 11:42.07 | wols_ | rest stays as it is |
| 11:42.21 | wols_ | abrotman: why didn't you correct me? I'm disappointed in you |
| 11:42.22 | Noborusan | I see. |
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| 11:43.10 | bzed | Noborusan: and then you want to get IP/netmask/network/gateway from your ISP |
| 11:43.22 | bzed | and the broadcast address |
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| 11:43.53 | Noborusan | wols_, so i will use the new public static IP and blah to replace them there,one which i dont understand is "network 172.17.236.0' which i didnt specify it,but it appears there |
| 11:43.57 | dimsuz | hi! anyone knows why debdelta stopped working recently? |
| 11:44.16 | Noborusan | wols_, the last one i dont get is 'broadcast' that line |
| 11:44.20 | wols_ | Noborusan: man interfaces |
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| 11:44.38 | Mitja | How do I kill a detached screen? |
| 11:44.48 | Noborusan | bzed, how about that one 'broadcast' ? |
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| 11:45.13 | KDan | is any mod_ package available to enable db logging in apache under debian? |
| 11:45.17 | wols_ | Mitja: ps aux |grep -i screen. kill them all |
| 11:45.32 | bzed | Noborusan: what about that one? you want to ask your ISP just for all those things. |
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| 11:45.38 | wols_ | the main server process is called SCREEN iirc |
| 11:45.55 | Noborusan | bzed, So in my post,all items listed there are a must ? |
| 11:45.58 | logd | hi, what stuff i've to add to kernel default config to support ipmasq ? |
| 11:46.09 | cast | logd: nothing. |
| 11:46.24 | logd | <cast> i'm not using debian kernel |
| 11:46.32 | logd | compiled myself 2.6.22-rc7 |
| 11:46.40 | bzed | Noborusan: I think network and broadcast can be set automatically, but depending on the weirdness of a network you should just specify them |
| 11:46.47 | logd | but i can't figure out what'smissing |
| 11:46.49 | wols_ | logd: then you can fix your troubles yourself with it :) |
| 11:46.59 | wols_ | logd: ##linux, #kernelnewbies |
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| 11:47.11 | Mitja | wols_: thanks |
| 11:47.14 | Noborusan | bzed, I see.i will tell them know.thanks. |
| 11:47.26 | abrotman | wols_: i was making my bagel ddamn it! |
| 11:47.26 | logd | wols_, gazed menuconfig many times but iptables won't came built |
| 11:47.42 | wols_ | abrotman: and yes, it tasted great. thank you# |
| 11:47.46 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 11:48.10 | wols_ | logd: why are you making your own kernel? |
| 11:48.30 | Preto1ab | wols_: i isntalled the extra repo and then installed avifile-xvid-plugin then reinstalled ffmpeg - but i still get the message unknown codec xvid when i try to encode using ffmpeg -vcodec xvid - any ideas? |
| 11:48.36 | logd | wols_>not exactly making "my" kernel just testing 2.6.22-rc7 |
| 11:49.00 | bzed | logd: and why do you try to build a release candidate? if you don;t know how to configure it, I doubt you know what to do if $RANDOM bug hits you hard. |
| 11:49.25 | abrotman | eats your $HOME! |
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| 11:49.31 | wols_ | Preto1ab: does "divx" work? |
| 11:49.33 | Internat | is it a bad idea to create users/groups with .'s or -'s in the name? and if so why? |
| 11:49.56 | Preto1ab | same unknown codec wols_ |
| 11:50.13 | wols_ | abrotman: it was high time it was cleaned anyways. thanks for removing the data trash in there, but careful: might give you diarrhea (sp?) |
| 11:50.17 | Preto1ab | i am installnig the avifile-divx-plugin now wols |
| 11:50.30 | wols_ | Preto1ab: /msg dpkg debian-multimedia |
| 11:50.35 | abrotman | wols_: heh |
| 11:50.41 | Preto1ab | thanks wols |
| 11:50.46 | logd | <bzed>i would have the same problem on any kernel config (the problem: find iptable support in config) no matter if it's rc or older |
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| 11:50.53 | cast | logd: bpo doe have 2.6.21 |
| 11:51.02 | logd | and me too |
| 11:51.07 | logd | but i'm testing 2.6.22 |
| 11:51.08 | logd | :P |
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| 11:51.11 | bzed | logd: then you don't know how to configure it. open your eyes. |
| 11:51.27 | logd | <bzed>already said it |
| 11:51.32 | bzed | logd: and you don;t want to test it if you don;t know enough about kernels. |
| 11:51.37 | logd | checked everything under netfilter |
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| 11:51.39 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.40 | cast | CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_MASQUERADE=m |
| 11:51.46 | logd | but iptables doesn't came built |
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| 11:51.52 | bzed | logd: and you're still in the wrong room here, that's off-toic. |
| 11:52.01 | Noborusan | so with a stock kernel, iptables is not included by default ? |
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| 11:52.15 | cast | Noborusan: no, it is. pretty much anything you want is in the stock kernel |
| 11:52.15 | bzed | iptables is a userspace program |
| 11:52.16 | hthtthtt | Sure are alot of Windoze fags in here who like Bill Gates! |
| 11:52.21 | bzed | which is shipped in a package. |
| 11:52.22 | hthtthtt | Sure are alot of Windoze fags in here who like Bill Gates! |
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| 11:52.29 | babilen | hi there... how do i change the language in which is program is localized? i tries setting LANG and LC_ALL to "de_DE" in a shell from which i start the program but they are still english... |
| 11:52.36 | Noborusan | cast, you meant, yes,it is included ? |
| 11:52.40 | abrotman | !locales |
| 11:52.40 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 11:52.59 | bzed | Noborusan: the userspace program 'iptables' is in the package iptables. the netfilter modules are in the kernel |
| 11:53.07 | babilen | abrotman: i have all those locales generated, they are listed by "locales -a" |
| 11:53.09 | cast | Noborusan: well, what bzed said. |
| 11:53.18 | Noborusan | cool |
| 11:53.35 | babilen | abrotman: and the programs do _not_ complain about missing locales using fallbock "C" or something like that |
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| 11:54.18 | logd | <cast>i should add CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_MASQUERADE=m to .config and rebuild modules without using menuconfig ? |
| 11:54.25 | abrotman | babilen: if you try like a LANG=de_DE.<whatever> <command> .. what happens |
| 11:54.35 | abrotman | logd: ask ##kernel |
| 11:54.38 | Noborusan | bzed, by the way,do you understand what does this mean that it appears in boot :Not starting internet superserver: no services available |
| 11:54.39 | bzed | logd: no, you want to configure it properly. if you dont; ask how, go to #kernelnewbies. |
| 11:54.47 | abrotman | logd: for all we know .. iptables in that version is totally knackered |
| 11:54.58 | logd | <bzed>asked there but got no answer |
| 11:55.07 | bzed | Noborusan: I think that's what inetd says when you don;t have any services enabled in the configuration |
| 11:55.09 | abrotman | that doesn't make this the right place |
| 11:55.20 | fasta | Is there a command that I give an Emacs regular expression and findout whether it completely matches? |
| 11:55.23 | babilen | abrotman: the program is starting still localized in my default locale (en_US) |
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| 11:55.36 | MUTU | what is the command to search apts pls? |
| 11:55.37 | fasta | It appears that find and grep have a different idea of what matches and what doesn't. |
| 11:55.45 | abrotman | babilen: what was the actual command you used ? |
| 11:55.50 | bzed | babilen: probably it was never translated, or you ahve to isntall the proper internationalization package |
| 11:55.53 | abrotman | MUTU: apt-cache search |
| 11:56.05 | MUTU | thanks |
| 11:56.15 | Noborusan | bzed, ie.e apache service ? |
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| 11:56.25 | babilen | abrotman: "LANG=de_DE.utf8 epiphany" |
| 11:56.29 | bzed | Noborusan: no, apache takes care of that by himself |
| 11:56.38 | Noborusan | bzed, i remember in sarge,this message didn't appear |
| 11:56.39 | bzed | Noborusan: tftpd for example, or telnetd |
| 11:56.43 | babilen | abrotman: i exported these env vars as well... |
| 11:56.53 | bzed | Noborusan: read /etc/inetd.conf, I think there're some examples included |
| 11:56.55 | Preto1ab | wols_: i am having trouble getting a apt-key F1D53D8C4F368D5DF can you advise please? - it was aftere adding the non-free repositories to my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:56.59 | abrotman | it's probably de_DE.UTF8 .. and capitilization matters |
| 11:57.02 | Noborusan | bzed, I see.thanks. |
| 11:57.03 | abrotman | unlike spelling :) |
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| 11:57.58 | MangosDebian | Preto1ab: that doesnt look like a valid key |
| 11:58.06 | babilen | abrotman: :-)... yes i tried that too, but no change in behaiviour... and localized webpages still assume "en" locale |
| 11:58.25 | abrotman | babilen: maybe try a text command |
| 11:58.27 | Preto1ab | wols_: i got the repos from here http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html#s-sources.list |
| 11:58.53 | abrotman | babilen: it's possible epiphany would get $LANG from some gnome setting .. and not your shell |
| 11:59.08 | babilen | abrotman: yes, that might be... |
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| 11:59.23 | phet | hello |
| 11:59.37 | babilen | abrotman: text commands work.... argh |
| 11:59.46 | abrotman | babilen: can i get a beer now? |
| 11:59.55 | abrotman | :) |
| 11:59.57 | bzed | babilen: gnome applications are always kinda special, as abrotman said |
| 12:00.01 | bzed | !beer abrotman |
| 12:00.05 | abrotman | yay! |
| 12:00.11 | abrotman | bagels and beer! |
| 12:00.12 | phet | Can anyone help me to configure php5 with apache? I cant, I have followed like 10 howtos and I cant do it |
| 12:00.24 | bzed | babilen: for me, too ? :) |
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| 12:00.37 | babilen | why not, hefeweizen for everybody! |
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| 12:00.47 | cahoot | Paulaner |
| 12:01.57 | bzed | Hacker-Pschorr :) |
| 12:02.00 | reiser2 | how can install kernel development libraries ? |
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| 12:02.37 | abrotman | either wil work for me! |
| 12:03.00 | abrotman | reiser2: apt-cache search linux-headers .. i think |
| 12:03.22 | solemnwarning | Will du -chs count the same inode more then once? |
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| 12:04.45 | Noborusan | by the way, how come when i do 'apt-get update' says many are ignored from security deiban ? |
| 12:04.50 | solemnwarning | nvm |
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| 12:05.13 | RudyValencia | Hi. Debian-installer is asking me if I want to "[install] libc-client without Maildir support"; I'm not sure what to answer. |
| 12:05.33 | valdyn | Noborusan: many WHAT |
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| 12:05.53 | valdyn | Noborusan: there's no packages being ignored. |
| 12:06.05 | Noborusan | valdyn, wait,let me check |
| 12:06.21 | valdyn | Noborusan: i already know its 'Release' files |
| 12:06.40 | valdyn | Noborusan: possibly DiffIndex |
| 12:06.52 | Noborusan | oh yeah,that thing |
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| 12:07.26 | valdyn | Noborusan: aptitude / apt-get are configurable if they download the full package list or only the delta |
| 12:07.44 | Gigantic | does any of the bots do 'mesaaging' ? |
| 12:08.00 | Gigantic | i.e.: to say something to someone upon next login |
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| 12:08.07 | Gigantic | or chat to bot |
| 12:08.13 | Noborusan | valdyn, but i didn't get those iggy message when i was using sarge,from the same debian security apt |
| 12:08.25 | valdyn | Noborusan: because sarge did not have that feature |
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| 12:08.51 | Preto1ab | done it wols_ thanks - i added the debian-multimedia repo and upgraded all, however i still have the problem with the gpg key |
| 12:08.54 | Noborusan | valdyn, anyway,i won't miss any security upgrade right ?so i will let it go |
| 12:09.06 | valdyn | Noborusan: you dont understand what delta means? |
| 12:09.11 | wols_ | Preto1ab: key for what exactly? |
| 12:09.13 | Noborusan | no |
| 12:09.17 | valdyn | Noborusan: difference |
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| 12:09.39 | Preto1ab | which pastebin shall i use |
| 12:09.43 | valdyn | Noborusan: Packages.bz2 is > 4MB, Diff would be small |
| 12:09.46 | wols_ | Preto1ab: /msg dpkg no public key |
| 12:09.51 | wols_ | !paste |
| 12:09.51 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 12:10.03 | Noborusan | valdyn, Diff ? |
| 12:10.09 | valdyn | geez |
| 12:10.11 | valdyn | DIFFERENZE |
| 12:10.18 | abrotman | s? |
| 12:10.19 | valdyn | DIFFERENZ |
| 12:10.21 | valdyn | DIFFERENCE |
| 12:10.23 | wols_ | valdyn: get used to ut |
| 12:10.26 | wols_ | *it |
| 12:10.42 | MangosDebian | damn you guys suck typing today ;) |
| 12:10.45 | Preto1ab | http://paste.debian.net/32210 << wols_ |
| 12:11.00 | abrotman | MangosDebian: it's because they were handing out beer! |
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| 12:11.06 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 12:11.06 | wols_ | MangosDebian: objection. I suck on evrey day at typing |
| 12:11.09 | Noborusan | hmm valdyn ,sorry |
| 12:11.26 | wols_ | and I thought "they" were handing out bagels |
| 12:11.27 | valdyn | Noborusan: dont tell me you still dont get it ;) |
| 12:11.28 | wols_ | sill yme |
| 12:11.50 | wols_ | Preto1ab: there is no non-us repo anymore |
| 12:12.06 | wols_ | !non-us |
| 12:12.07 | dpkg | non-us is, like, where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 12:12.13 | Preto1ab | so i remove the non-us |
| 12:13.03 | Preto1ab | thats cool -- all a-okay now !! thanks again wols_ appreciate your time very much |
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| 12:13.42 | wols_ | abrotman: I think someone put something in his water |
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| 12:13.54 | abrotman | in mine? or valdyn's ? |
| 12:14.06 | Preto1ab | see you later |
| 12:14.20 | Noborusan | valdyn, I really do not understand,but i assume i have been acting very annoying for asking too much,so i should quiet |
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| 12:14.30 | wols_ | in pretolab's |
| 12:14.33 | valdyn | Noborusan: nah |
| 12:14.45 | abrotman | ooih |
| 12:14.50 | wols_ | your craziness is inborn, not dependant on externals |
| 12:14.55 | wols_ | can't say for valdyn yet |
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| 12:15.15 | wols_ | Noborusan: the asking is not the problem per se |
| 12:15.40 | valdyn | Noborusan: difference between old Packages list and new Packages list is a small file while downloading the whole new Packages list is a large file. Hence apt-get can optionally only download the difference |
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| 12:16.54 | valdyn | Noborusan: asking is np, i just dont know how to make it any more easy to understand |
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| 12:18.23 | Noborusan | that is a fantastic |
| 12:18.41 | valdyn | Noborusan: if you're on dialup, sure |
| 12:19.05 | blackest | how do i make /dev/ttyS1 refer to ttyUSB0 |
| 12:19.17 | valdyn | blackest: why would you do that? |
| 12:19.32 | Noborusan | i meant the difference between an old and a new package in apt construction can be just a file at all,so interesting |
| 12:19.48 | blackest | i have a usb serial port but perl wants /dev/ttys1 |
| 12:20.10 | valdyn | Noborusan: no, not an old and a new package. An old and a new list of the Packages |
| 12:20.19 | blackest | so the tests fail when installing the serial package |
| 12:20.41 | valdyn | blackest: tests? |
| 12:20.51 | valdyn | blackest: what does perl know about serial ports? |
| 12:21.21 | bolt | should an intel mac mini run the 484 or 686 kernel images? |
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| 12:21.31 | valdyn | blackest: sounds like you're bending the line to make a banana look straight |
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| 12:21.37 | blackest | not a lot without the device::serial package and it complains when i try to install it coz i havent got a std serial port |
| 12:21.38 | Noborusan | valdyn, I see. |
| 12:21.44 | abrotman | bolt: yes |
| 12:21.54 | valdyn | bolt: 686 |
| 12:21.59 | abrotman | bolt: though the 486 images aren't SMP IIRC |
| 12:22.03 | blackest | thats a good way of putting it |
| 12:22.08 | Noborusan | valdyn, By the way,in source file, i commented kernel src this line,i dont think i will need this one ? |
| 12:22.25 | Noborusan | kernel src from security debian |
| 12:22.40 | valdyn | Noborusan: show it |
| 12:22.43 | Internat | with quotas.. can i specifiy a uid rather then a uname> |
| 12:22.44 | RudyValencia | Debian-installer is asking me if I want to "[install] libc-client without Maildir support"; what do I answer to this? |
| 12:22.45 | wols_ | you commented out your secrutiy.debian.org linue cause you don't need it? |
| 12:23.06 | Noborusan | valdyn, i will show you later ,sorry,now im on windows. |
| 12:23.16 | wols_ | RudyValencia: what are you installing exactly? imap stuff? |
| 12:23.31 | valdyn | RudyValencia: there's no such package |
| 12:23.32 | RudyValencia | wols_: I want to setup my server with SMTP and IMAP |
| 12:23.56 | wols_ | RudyValencia: what imap server? |
| 12:23.58 | psyco-obiwan | RudyValencia: depends on which imapd you will be using |
| 12:24.05 | RudyValencia | Well, I'm not sure which to use |
| 12:24.08 | psyco-obiwan | some of them use mailspool |
| 12:24.19 | wols_ | if you don't know: dovecot or courier-imap |
| 12:24.19 | valdyn | RudyValencia: it should be visible, which package exactly is asking that question |
| 12:24.32 | solemnwarning | Is this the right chan to ask about debian-live? |
| 12:24.33 | RudyValencia | it's "libcclient2002edebian" |
| 12:25.01 | wols_ | !live cd |
| 12:25.01 | dpkg | it has been said that live-cd is http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 12:25.09 | RudyValencia | I mistyped that I think |
| 12:25.09 | valdyn | that's the livecd? |
| 12:25.16 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 12:25.16 | dpkg | methinks livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 12:25.20 | valdyn | RudyValencia: you surely did |
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| 12:25.26 | RudyValencia | "libc-client2002edebian" actually |
| 12:25.29 | solemnwarning | I tried writing the USB xfce image to a USB flash drive |
| 12:25.47 | abrotman | dpkg: no live cd is <reply> see livecd |
| 12:25.47 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 12:25.55 | solemnwarning | Neither of the machines I've tried it in do anything, they act as if it's not there |
| 12:26.04 | solemnwarning | The BIOS is configured to boot USB before HDD |
| 12:26.13 | valdyn | RudyValencia: so you're trying to install the uw-imapd |
| 12:26.14 | RudyValencia | I'm just not sure which IMAP and SMTP services to setup |
| 12:26.22 | RudyValencia | no |
| 12:26.26 | wols_ | RudyValencia: I told you |
| 12:26.29 | RudyValencia | I just chose the "default |
| 12:26.47 | RudyValencia | I meant, I just chose the default "mailserver" package set |
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| 12:27.17 | psyco-obiwan | RudyValencia: just accept the default setup proposes and you should be fine.. |
| 12:27.32 | RudyValencia | it doesn't have a defaultr |
| 12:28.09 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:28.29 | wols_ | RudyValencia: it does. don't use tasksel to install stuff |
| 12:28.29 | RudyValencia | I'm in setup right now |
| 12:28.36 | wols_ | later after installation, use aptitude |
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| 12:28.50 | RudyValencia | I'll start over on installation |
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| 12:29.22 | valdyn | RudyValencia: the default was yes |
| 12:29.23 | wols_ | RudyValencia: simply say yes now to that question |
| 12:29.26 | wols_ | don't reinstall |
| 12:29.33 | RudyValencia | oh, rebooted, too late |
| 12:29.38 | valdyn | hah |
| 12:29.38 | RudyValencia | I'll remember to choose yes |
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| 12:29.43 | wols_ | it's not to late |
| 12:29.51 | RudyValencia | it won't take long ;) |
| 12:29.55 | _E-bola | Hi, can anybody help me change the log dir of exim? |
| 12:29.56 | valdyn | RudyValencia: that question can be answered again at any time |
| 12:29.59 | RudyValencia | kk |
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| 12:30.06 | _E-bola | even when i set LOG_FILE_PATH= it doesnt change |
| 12:30.08 | RudyValencia | didn't know |
| 12:30.18 | RudyValencia | so it's not necessary any longer? |
| 12:30.29 | valdyn | RudyValencia: its a warning that does not make that much sense on a new install, if you read the complete text |
| 12:30.33 | RudyValencia | ah |
| 12:30.36 | Preto1ab | wols_: after installing xvid codec and encoding my movie - i am now getting a message from syslogd telling me my CPU is running in clock mode - is this simply telling me that my cpu is overheating ? |
| 12:31.01 | valdyn | Preto1ab: yes |
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| 12:31.23 | valdyn | Preto1ab: your cpu does that independently, its just 'informing' linux |
| 12:31.35 | Preto1ab | and is this dangerous - should i just add some more thermal paste - i have the usual fan and a huge custom fan blowing on it |
| 12:31.52 | valdyn | Preto1ab: you should do it properly |
| 12:32.10 | valdyn | Preto1ab: not really dangerous |
| 12:32.13 | Preto1ab | is it better to use a cooler with a fan or a fin cooler with no fan do you think ? |
| 12:32.16 | zapw | isnt there an option adduser or adduser.conf that sets ,other, execute and read bits to 0 after creating the dir? |
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| 12:32.49 | solemnwarning | I zero'd a 512MB USB flash drive and wrote the debian-live USB xfce image to it with dd |
| 12:33.03 | solemnwarning | Every machine I've tried it in ignores it |
| 12:33.17 | RudyValencia | thanks for the answer to that, wols_ and valdyn |
| 12:33.23 | RudyValencia | :D |
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| 12:33.56 | wols_ | Preto1ab: you should NOT add more paste. quite the contrary usually if you put on the heatsink on your own |
| 12:34.25 | RudyValencia | this box I'm setting up is my webserver |
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| 12:34.40 | Preto1ab | sorry wols_ i meant add a freah application of thermal paste - by firstly removing any currently residing there and then appyling some more |
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| 12:34.52 | valdyn | RudyValencia: and no mailserveR? |
| 12:35.15 | RudyValencia | valdyn: I don't have enough hardware to build another box for mail |
| 12:35.25 | RudyValencia | (or for other services) |
| 12:35.26 | valdyn | Preto1ab: maybe and more likely its just not seated perfectly |
| 12:35.38 | wols_ | Preto1ab: ave you ever done that? and: the normal intel heatsink doesn't have any thermal paste |
| 12:35.44 | valdyn | Preto1ab: and the more paste you use, the more pressure you need to spread it thin |
| 12:35.56 | RudyValencia | I'm using the box I'm setting up for a lot of stuff |
| 12:35.59 | wols_ | Preto1ab: what cpu is it? and how hot is the case inside? |
| 12:36.00 | valdyn | wols_: no? |
| 12:36.15 | valdyn | wols_: mine had , even though it was on the heatsink already, nothing to do for me |
| 12:36.17 | wols_ | valdyn: cpu makers all use thermal pads |
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| 12:36.28 | valdyn | wols_: ah, not intel my case |
| 12:36.28 | wols_ | valdyn: that is not thermal paste |
| 12:36.35 | wols_ | valdyn: amd is the same for theirs |
| 12:36.35 | valdyn | wols_: it was paste |
| 12:36.47 | valdyn | wols_: i did it alot of times, i know pads and paset |
| 12:37.05 | Preto1ab | P4 3.2Ghz on a custom build with no side casing, coolermaster fan with two additional fans and vga card pci slot fans - i ahve done this many times before but am sure i should not be adding paste so often |
| 12:37.06 | semprix | im trying to install ymessenger but im having this error -->http://pastebin.ca/607188 |
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| 12:37.51 | wols_ | P4 3.2 is a hot cpu always. and what coolermaster sink? |
| 12:38.26 | Noborusan | hey coolmaster was seld out when i bought my dell server :( |
| 12:38.36 | Noborusan | they use a brand named 'coolserver' instead i checked |
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| 12:39.00 | Preto1ab | not sure wols_ it has large cooling fins with a fan on top sticker says Intel |
| 12:39.02 | semprix | anyone? |
| 12:39.20 | semprix | what should be done? |
| 12:39.25 | valdyn | Preto1ab: how do you know that your heatsink is really suitable for that particularily hot cpu? |
| 12:39.55 | Preto1ab | it came with the cpu when i bought it as a component from Dabs a while ago |
| 12:40.00 | wols_ | valdyn: it sounds like it comes from intel directly their stock cooler |
| 12:40.14 | streuner | semprix: How about exactly what the error-message suggest? |
| 12:40.21 | wols_ | Preto1ab: if you really want to do something against the heat: buy a thermalright heatsink |
| 12:40.41 | streuner | semprix: Package libssl0.9.6 is not installed. |
| 12:40.45 | Preto1ab | what is that wols_? |
| 12:40.53 | wols_ | Preto1ab: a heatsink |
| 12:40.59 | valdyn | Preto1ab: ok, paste should be thin as possible, but everywhere on the die, the heatsink needs to be seated as firm as possible without breaking anytthing |
| 12:41.04 | Preto1ab | is it water cooled or something i mean |
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| 12:41.17 | wols_ | no it's an air cooled heatsink |
| 12:41.25 | Preto1ab | does it use a fan ? |
| 12:41.46 | wols_ | since it's air cooled, what do you think? |
| 12:41.54 | valdyn | Preto1ab: heatsinks w/o fan are for silence fetishists, they cant cool as well |
| 12:42.14 | Preto1ab | air is all around - whether it is fan assisted is debatable |
| 12:42.24 | valdyn | Preto1ab: lol |
| 12:42.48 | valdyn | Preto1ab: you try stop the fan and watch your cpu reah above 100 degree centigrade and shut down itself |
| 12:43.05 | Preto1ab | looking here http://www.thermalright.com/default.htm it seems there are no fans |
| 12:43.11 | wols_ | valdyn: it won't shut down |
| 12:43.23 | valdyn | wols_: p4 wont? |
| 12:43.24 | wols_ | Preto1ab: they are. they just don't sell them with fans |
| 12:43.34 | Preto1ab | ok |
| 12:43.35 | wols_ | valdyn: nope it won't. no intel cpu after P4 |
| 12:43.52 | Preto1ab | i will try reapllying some paste for now - thanks very much for your help |
| 12:43.55 | wols_ | Preto1ab: they are simply the best air cooled heatsinks you can buy |
| 12:44.09 | wols_ | valdyn: but it will throttle to speeds slower than your i386 basically :) |
| 12:44.17 | Preto1ab | will check ebay asap |
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| 12:44.30 | valdyn | wols_: neat |
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| 12:44.53 | utopia_ | j |
| 12:45.25 | streuner | k |
| 12:45.44 | Preto1ab | err is there a way to install just firefox without iceweasel - and whats that about anyway (where's the google box gone to) |
| 12:45.58 | abrotman | !iceweasel |
| 12:45.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
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| 12:46.51 | Preto1ab | can i add a search box to iceweael ? |
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| 12:49.45 | abrotman | mine has one |
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| 12:49.58 | Rusty1_ | http://www.google.com/tools/firefox/toolbar/FT3/intl/en/index.html << Preto1ab |
| 12:50.17 | HostilePenguin | mine too |
| 12:50.53 | Preto1ab | i get a redierct to firefox ???? |
| 12:51.07 | abrotman | hell .. i don't even know how to turn it off :) |
| 12:52.15 | Preto1ab | Rusty1_: it wont install for me in iceweasel - it says you need firefox |
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| 12:54.36 | abrotman | grab the xpi and do it manually |
| 12:54.58 | HostilePenguin | are you using iceweasel 2.4 |
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| 12:56.59 | abrotman | 2.4? |
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| 12:57.14 | abrotman | !info iceweasel sid |
| 12:57.17 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7943 kB, Installed size: 25112 kB |
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| 12:59.35 | sebastian | Does anyone know a good alternative to "Reason" "Fruity loops" and such to use in linux? |
| 12:59.55 | MONO` | should the root of a linux distro be /dev/sda1 or /mnt/sda1? |
| 13:00.42 | wols_ | MONO`: /dev/sda1 |
| 13:00.47 | MONO` | ok |
| 13:01.02 | sebastian | wols_, I got it working if you wanted to know.. |
| 13:01.04 | MONO` | so it was right...hmm... |
| 13:01.12 | sebastian | just to reinstall the nvidia driver.. |
| 13:01.32 | wols_ | sebastian: have fun doing that everytime you upgrade |
| 13:01.56 | cahoot | + kernel |
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| 13:03.30 | teclo- | Hello, I have some major problem. I have two IDE disks and one SCSI disk. If I plug in only the SCSI disk, I can boot from it. If I plugin both IDE disks and the SCSI disks, I boot from the IDE disks. The BIOS does see the SCSI disk, but Debian GNU/Linux does not see the scsi disk, there is not even a sda or anything entry in /dev ... any idea ? |
| 13:03.50 | tarzeau | teclo-: driver? which kernel version? |
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| 13:04.05 | teclo- | 2.6.18 |
| 13:04.46 | teclo- | 2.6.18-4-686 that comes with Debian 4.0 |
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| 13:05.05 | teclo- | the scsi controller is known to the kernel - I have a SCSI tape drive attached |
| 13:05.46 | Olgem | how much did you pay for that SCSI setup |
| 13:05.51 | valdyn | teclo-: what does this mean ' I can boot from it ' ( referring to the scsi disk ). Are you actually running debian from those scsi disks? |
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| 13:06.19 | teclo- | valdyn: well right now both the SCSI and IDE disk contain a bootable Debian install |
| 13:06.39 | teclo- | valdyn: my goal is to replace the first IDE disk with a SCSI disk, which will be faster |
| 13:06.48 | teclo- | but leaving the second IDE disk (from /home) in place |
| 13:07.40 | teclo- | weird, I just did scsiadd -s and Debian sees the external DLT drive but not the hard disk - but the SCSI BIOS does see the hard disk |
| 13:07.46 | valdyn | teclo-: why do you think that your scsi disks are not found by debian? |
| 13:07.57 | teclo- | valdyn: no /dev/sd* |
| 13:08.09 | teclo- | valdyn: and scsiadd -s does not see it |
| 13:08.31 | teclo- | wait I'm gonna try rebooting and see if my scsi ids arent conflicting or something |
| 13:08.36 | teclo- | thanks and catch ya later |
| 13:08.43 | teclo- | shutdown -h now |
| 13:08.45 | teclo- | oops |
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| 13:13.44 | Gigantic | isn't init 0 easier? |
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| 13:13.53 | Gigantic | why nobody seem to use it |
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| 13:14.17 | teclo- | heh |
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| 13:14.36 | MONO` | teclo-: what'd you do? |
| 13:14.55 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
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| 13:15.03 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 13:15.25 | Noborusan | how come wols_ know so many about debian linux ? |
| 13:15.29 | Noborusan | im very curious |
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| 13:15.49 | Gigantic | Noborusan: Who say he know that much ? |
| 13:16.01 | Gigantic | o. |
| 13:16.19 | tarzeau | Gigantic: he does |
| 13:16.24 | tarzeau | Gigantic: i say |
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| 13:16.39 | Gigantic | ok, there are two votes.. |
| 13:16.51 | psyco-obiwan | i say it also... |
| 13:17.07 | Gigantic | vote for wols_ for pressident :p |
| 13:17.35 | Noborusan | Gigantic, cuz i always see he answers others question, never seen he asked a question lmao |
| 13:17.52 | Gigantic | at least can't do it worse than the current gvt :) |
| 13:17.53 | Noborusan | oh no,he did,it was ' what is your question' something like that lmao |
| 13:18.25 | Gigantic | Maybe my sarcasm is sleepy too... |
| 13:18.33 | Gigantic | it was a joke damn! |
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| 13:35.18 | maher | i'm getting less than 1M/sec from an external usb drive - is this normal? |
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| 13:36.14 | tarzeau | maher: no |
| 13:36.18 | tarzeau | maher: usb1? |
| 13:36.38 | maher | tarzeau: how do i tell whether the kernel sees the device as usb1 or usb2? |
| 13:36.45 | tarzeau | maher: dmesg maybe? |
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| 13:37.33 | maher | tarzeau: its weird - hdpaprm says i get 600M/sec off the disc cache but only 900K/sec off the disc |
| 13:37.40 | abrotman | maher: lspci .. do you see any 2.0 controllers ? |
| 13:38.19 | tarzeau | maher: that's like 10 mbit |
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| 13:38.53 | maher | i do have a usb2 controller |
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| 13:39.46 | Kasreyn | I have a problem with my USB keyboard and latest kernel on debian. it's generally slow and for every keystroke it prints two characters. any idea how I can fix it? |
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| 13:41.56 | maher | abrotman: tarzeau: bah - ehci-hcd wasn't loading automatically - thanks for your help |
| 13:42.18 | abrotman | bastards! |
| 13:42.19 | tarzeau | Kasreyn: which kernel is that? |
| 13:42.28 | tarzeau | Kasreyn: you know debian has stable, testing, sid... |
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| 13:43.30 | Noborusan | Anyone remember a tool to test the fastest apt mirror for you ? |
| 13:43.38 | abrotman | apt-spy |
| 13:43.40 | maher | Noborusan: apt-spy? |
| 13:43.46 | Noborusan | oh yeah.thanks |
| 13:44.10 | Kasreyn | tarzeau: 2.6.21-6 |
| 13:44.12 | Noborusan | but the result made by apt-spy may not be from debian authlowed mirrors ? |
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| 13:44.37 | abrotman | uhm .. no |
| 13:45.17 | nyx1 | i only get a black screen after the textbased boot procedure when booting my new debian etch amd64, does anybody know what the problem could be? |
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| 13:46.42 | xand | nyx1: if you press ctrl-alt-F1 do you get the console? |
| 13:46.55 | tarzeau | nyx1: it's not the screensaver is it? |
| 13:47.16 | nyx1 | tarzeau: nope it's not |
| 13:47.32 | nyx1 | xand: no, i don't press a thing |
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| 13:48.00 | nyx1 | xand: sorry, i read that too fast |
| 13:48.13 | nyx1 | xand: i only get a black screen no matter what i do |
| 13:49.13 | xand | can you ping it? |
| 13:49.51 | abrotman | framebuffer ? |
| 13:50.01 | nyx1 | i didnt try to ping it |
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| 13:50.26 | xand | well try to,. |
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| 13:50.43 | Preto1ab | hello again everyone |
| 13:51.08 | Zoo- | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.17 | Preto1ab | i am not sure what has happened but i wrote an imapsync script yesterday which worked fine - now today i am gettign an error about Can't call method "can_read" on an undefined value at /usr/share/perl5/Mail/IMAPClient.pm line 1588. |
| 13:51.37 | Preto1ab | i have not got a clue where to start - can anyone help pls |
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| 13:51.58 | xand | Preto1ab: #perl? |
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| 13:52.15 | Zoo- | hee :-) |
| 13:52.37 | wols_ | Zoo-: in china a bag of rice fell down. was it yours? |
| 13:52.47 | stoned | tail |
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| 13:53.01 | maher | wols_: it was mine - give it back! |
| 13:53.11 | wols_ | stoned: one day you make me know enough perl so I can write irssi scripts :) |
| 13:53.11 | Zoo- | yep ^_^ |
| 13:53.17 | Zoo- | rice is good |
| 13:53.27 | stoned | wols_: ok, whats the deal man |
| 13:53.27 | Zoo- | my gf is Thai and African American |
| 13:53.33 | Zoo- | heya wols |
| 13:53.43 | stoned | wols_: you're all weird like as wols, but you're cool and nice as wols_ |
| 13:53.47 | Zoo- | gm everyone else, Central , USA etc and good day to the rest |
| 13:54.01 | Zoo- | heya stoned |
| 13:54.02 | stoned | Dr. wols and mr. wols_ |
| 13:54.12 | wols_ | stoned: Itold you. I have a ISP that disconnects me every 24h. irssi reconnects to freenode after 300s, but by then the old nick isn't expired yet. so irssi chooses a tail by defualt |
| 13:54.32 | stoned | wols_: yeh, but how come when you have a tail you joke aaround and you're nice |
| 13:54.36 | Zoo- | I've decided, to keep debian, however to upgrade to either lenny or sid.. because I like developing things and really etch is limiting me to what I want to do, but I"m as well going to install my mandriva 2007.1 spring pwp |
| 13:54.40 | stoned | but when you don't have a tail your all serious like and almost a dick |
| 13:54.42 | stoned | almost |
| 13:54.45 | wols_ | stoned: don't tell lies! I'm not nice, ever |
| 13:54.48 | stoned | not qutie though, so don't mind me |
| 13:54.51 | stoned | bullshit |
| 13:54.53 | stoned | you're nice |
| 13:54.56 | Zoo- | how many of you here, running lenny or sid |
| 13:55.05 | wols_ | Zoo-: don't take polls |
| 13:55.16 | wols_ | or sussudio will make it so you don't care about rice anymore |
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| 13:55.50 | stoned | well |
| 13:55.53 | stoned | its time for wake n bake |
| 13:56.04 | Zoo- | I am not understanding the words that you are writing.. carry on with your day to day stuff |
| 13:56.24 | sn0 | here here stoned :) |
| 13:56.39 | stoned | a little here here, a little there there |
| 13:56.45 | stoned | a little here, and a little there |
| 13:56.54 | wols_ | stoned: didn't you stop it? |
| 13:57.03 | stoned | yeh for like almost 5 months man |
| 13:57.08 | stoned | drove me nuts |
| 13:57.10 | wols_ | so why starting it again? |
| 13:57.17 | stoned | just for the hell of it |
| 13:57.19 | wols_ | you are nuts by default, so what is new :) |
| 13:57.23 | wols_ | :( |
| 13:57.25 | stoned | I'll stop here after this bag |
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| 13:57.40 | wols_ | stoned: ever let your kidneys check? |
| 13:57.46 | stoned | yes |
| 13:57.48 | sn0 | nothing wrong with a little toke, my prob is stopping |
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| 13:57.53 | wols_ | good. do it regularly |
| 13:58.01 | stoned | I had jaundice/heptitis b when I was 8 |
| 13:58.07 | wols_ | cause I can tell you, dialysis sucks |
| 13:58.11 | stoned | plus I drank a lot when I shouldn't have when i was a teen |
| 13:58.13 | stoned | my liver sucks |
| 13:58.17 | wols_ | I meant: have you let them check your kidneys lately? |
| 13:58.22 | stoned | who? |
| 13:58.29 | xand | the Men In Black |
| 13:58.31 | stoned | you mean a doctor? |
| 13:58.40 | stoned | yeh sure man, but not lately |
| 13:58.40 | wols_ | the guys in the white thingies with stethoscopes around their neck |
| 13:58.47 | stoned | my last physical was in 2004 |
| 13:58.52 | stoned | and they hospitalized me |
| 13:58.57 | wols_ | what for? |
| 13:59.05 | stoned | dehydration |
| 13:59.05 | wols_ | except chronic insanity of course :) |
| 13:59.09 | cahoot | drifting OT? |
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| 13:59.12 | wols_ | ouch |
| 13:59.23 | stoned | doc said dude you're yellow as shit |
| 13:59.24 | wols_ | cahoot: do you have a debian Q? :) |
| 13:59.25 | stoned | and you're dry |
| 13:59.30 | stoned | and you're lips are all cracked |
| 13:59.35 | xand | cahoot: what's the treatment for that then? |
| 13:59.36 | stoned | you need hydration |
| 13:59.42 | stoned | I went in for a bad stomach problem |
| 13:59.42 | wols_ | xand: saline IV |
| 13:59.49 | xand | and your spelling is off! |
| 13:59.59 | stoned | then we found out, after 2 week sof testing, that i have gastro intestinal inflammatory disease |
| 14:00.03 | stoned | it sucks |
| 14:00.06 | stoned | I can't eat spicy foods |
| 14:00.07 | xand | wols_: for being offtopic? :) |
| 14:00.10 | Noborusan | hi wols_ ,i just received inet info from my ISP,so i just do what you told me early and by then wouldn't have any problem remotely ssh to my server ? |
| 14:00.19 | wols_ | xand: saline solution cures everything |
| 14:00.19 | azeem | wols_, stoned: Please take this to #debian-offtopic |
| 14:00.45 | Noborusan | wols_, i will paste it and show you to make the final sure ,thanks |
| 14:00.50 | stoned | azeem: you da man |
| 14:00.50 | wols_ | Noborusan: you need to know what IP your future ISP will assign you, but then you shouldn't |
| 14:01.00 | wols_ | Noborusan: but if you are unsure maybe hire a professional |
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| 14:02.23 | yangvnc | Can model name : Pentium MMX processor allready use kernel-image-*-686 ? |
| 14:02.36 | wols_ | yangvnc: no |
| 14:02.36 | stew | yangvnc: no |
| 14:02.47 | wols_ | yangvnc: pentium pro is the earliest that can |
| 14:02.56 | yangvnc | so, -486 then? |
| 14:03.01 | stew | yes |
| 14:03.05 | yangvnc | ok |
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| 14:05.00 | stoned | are there any big advantages to running amd64 vs. i386 |
| 14:05.12 | stoned | is 64bit faster or something? |
| 14:05.22 | stoned | for a desktop i mean |
| 14:05.57 | sn0 | stoned if your apps benefit from it, or you have lots of ram, sure |
| 14:06.00 | Gathond | for some things probably, then again for most things its probably no different in terms of user experience |
| 14:06.23 | wols_ | stoned: in some things it is. ssl and media encoding mainly |
| 14:06.30 | wols_ | but overall. maybe 5-10% or so max |
| 14:06.33 | stoned | I do neither |
| 14:06.38 | stoned | eh |
| 14:06.45 | wols_ | but you get the flash and resulting hassle |
| 14:06.50 | stoned | yup |
| 14:06.59 | stoned | and I need no hassle |
| 14:07.12 | wols_ | the upside of x86-64 is: double the GP registers and wider registers |
| 14:07.27 | wols_ | the downaside is: a much bigger operand size which uses cache more |
| 14:07.30 | sn0 | flash can be worked around, but i went back to i386 on the desktop |
| 14:07.44 | stoned | I am using kubuntu atm |
| 14:07.47 | wols_ | if you have >4GB RAM then am64 is a must tho |
| 14:07.47 | stoned | funny isn't it |
| 14:08.01 | wols_ | even with only 2GB it'S better since the kernel doesn't have to juggle memory as much |
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| 14:08.14 | stoned | I have 1 gb |
| 14:08.14 | wols_ | stoned: go away! :P |
| 14:08.21 | stoned | wols_: well I'm on sid always |
| 14:08.22 | wols_ | then it shouldn't matter really |
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| 14:08.57 | Noborusan | wols_, yeah,im too curious,why you asked me about how much ram of my server |
| 14:09.08 | stoned | Linux laptop 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:09.12 | abrotman | Noborusan: we just ask you lots of questions to confuse you |
| 14:09.14 | stoned | damn |
| 14:09.42 | stoned | holy moly |
| 14:09.52 | stoned | I don't know if i ever updated this laptop |
| 14:10.01 | semprix | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/xlockmore-gl |
| 14:10.02 | stoned | its still running 2.6.18-4 in sid |
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| 14:10.05 | stoned | ack |
| 14:10.09 | semprix | i tried apt-get install xlock |
| 14:10.17 | semprix | but its giving me an error |
| 14:10.29 | semprix | E: Package xlock has no installation candidate |
| 14:10.33 | wols_ | abrotman: we don't need to ask in Noborusan's case imho |
| 14:10.46 | wols_ | semprix: /msg dpkg bat |
| 14:10.51 | abrotman | semprix: right .. it's called xlockmore-gl ? |
| 14:11.08 | semprix | abrotman, ive also tried that |
| 14:11.23 | abrotman | semprix: which versino of debian are you using ? |
| 14:11.25 | stoned | semprix: apt-get install xlockmore |
| 14:11.33 | Noborusan | hmm, so apt-cache search kernel-image,then find a right one for me then just apt-get install kernel-image that is all ? |
| 14:11.35 | stoned | !info xlockmore |
| 14:11.39 | dpkg | xlockmore: (Lock X11 display until password is entered.), section x11, is extra. Version: 1:5.22-1.2 (sid), Packaged size: 592 kB, Installed size: 1360 kB |
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| 14:11.48 | semprix | abrotman, etch |
| 14:11.52 | abrotman | Noborusan: linux-image .. not kernel-image |
| 14:11.58 | abrotman | semprix: etch isn't unstable |
| 14:12.04 | abrotman | !find xlock etch |
| 14:12.04 | Noborusan | I see |
| 14:12.05 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'xlock' (2): libposixlock-ruby ;; libposixlock-ruby1.8. |
| 14:12.32 | tarzeau | alias xlock='xscreensaver-command -lock' |
| 14:12.33 | Noborusan | abrotman, im curious,after its done, where is the old kernel going ? |
| 14:12.38 | stoned | tarzeau: hey whats up |
| 14:12.51 | tarzeau | stoned: not much? zuerifaest in zurich |
| 14:13.00 | tarzeau | stoned: what about yourself? |
| 14:13.02 | abrotman | Noborusan: staying there |
| 14:13.12 | stoned | cool man is that like beer fest, I'm just begin myself atm :D |
| 14:13.21 | tarzeau | stoned: i've migrated our site (150 linux workstations to etch, including added a few amd64 64bit linuxes) |
| 14:13.37 | stoned | messing around I just found out I have 2.6.18 on my sid laptop and I have not updated this in ages |
| 14:13.37 | Noborusan | abrotman, so i will get a selectable menu when boot t select boot from which kernel ? |
| 14:13.46 | stoned | it wants to download 600+mb of packages :D |
| 14:13.49 | tarzeau | stoned: wow stoneage :) what about gnu/kfreebsd? |
| 14:13.55 | abrotman | you sohuld |
| 14:14.15 | stoned | tarzeau: nice man, 150 linux boxes |
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| 14:14.37 | stoned | tarzeau: I installed debian on my pc at work, and showed off beryl and made those vista assholes suck it |
| 14:14.38 | tarzeau | stoned: +/- 30 |
| 14:14.51 | stoned | my new job kicks ass |
| 14:14.58 | cope[dev] | what do you do |
| 14:14.59 | cope[dev] | ? |
| 14:15.05 | Penix | makes vista aholes suck it |
| 14:15.07 | tarzeau | stoned: astronomy and physics software packaging sucks ass |
| 14:15.13 | stoned | sit around and watch youtube or chit chat |
| 14:15.15 | Noborusan | brb |
| 14:15.21 | stoned | tarzeau: I love physics and astronomy |
| 14:15.22 | tarzeau | Penix, stoned http://vista.istheshit.net/ |
| 14:15.26 | cope[dev] | stoned, so your an admin? |
| 14:15.27 | tarzeau | stoned: me too, just not their software :) |
| 14:15.39 | stoned | cope[dev]: kinda. I admin a pc repair shop |
| 14:15.45 | cope[dev] | ahhh |
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| 14:15.46 | stoned | or manage what have you |
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| 14:15.48 | tarzeau | stoned: ever installed iraf+stsdas? supermongo? |
| 14:16.00 | stoned | tarzeau: speak english |
| 14:16.06 | Jemt | Greetz. I'm pretty familiar with the concept and use of a firewall - however, IPTables is a little to advanced for me. Could someone out there propose a console based firewall/iptables front-end? I'm quite happy with Firestarter for X, but in this case I need a console interface |
| 14:16.22 | tarzeau | stoned: or the globus grid software? |
| 14:16.26 | stoned | tarzeau: hehe no i dunno never heard of that stuff |
| 14:16.29 | tarzeau | stoned: it's english, software names |
| 14:16.56 | stoned | Jemt: apt-cache search firewall |
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| 14:17.57 | tarzeau | stoned: i wish debian new queue was processed faster |
| 14:18.01 | Jemt | stoned: That only gives me about a hundred suggestions :p |
| 14:18.16 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 14:18.16 | dpkg | i guess iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
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| 14:18.36 | Jemt | Thanks, abrotman |
| 14:18.41 | Jemt | I'll give #iptables a go :) |
| 14:18.45 | valdyn | Jemt: firestarter is very simple, shorewall is complex, fireflier is probably in between |
| 14:19.00 | Jemt | valdyn: Is fireflier console based ? |
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| 14:19.12 | stoned | man |
| 14:19.22 | stoned | tarzeau: don't even talk to me about that stuff man |
| 14:19.26 | valdyn | fireflier-client-kde - Interactive firewall rule creation tool - QT client |
| 14:19.30 | stoned | tarzeau: I'm not over what happened to me with smc |
| 14:19.32 | stoned | :( |
| 14:19.36 | tarzeau | stoned: ever played www.sauerbraten.org ? check the new map of kaiser at here http://www.quadropolis.us/node/708 |
| 14:19.42 | Jemt | valdyn: I need a console based solution, not X based. |
| 14:19.45 | xembrx | !netfilter |
| 14:19.45 | dpkg | well, netfilter is what has replaced ipchains in the >2.3.15 and 2.4.x kernels or at http://netfilter.kernelnotes.org/ , or also known as iptables (apt-get install iptables), or at http://netfilter.samba.org/ and http://netfilter.gnumonks.org/ |
| 14:19.50 | valdyn | Jemt: its both |
| 14:19.56 | valdyn | fireflier-client-shell - Interactive firewall rule creation tool - Shell client |
| 14:19.59 | stoned | tarzeau: fps? |
| 14:20.04 | tarzeau | stoned: yes |
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| 14:20.45 | Jemt | Thanks, valdyn |
| 14:20.48 | stoned | tarzeau: you want me to play it? |
| 14:20.49 | valdyn | Jemt: i like shorewall personally. Though i'm not sure how much firewall knowledge you need to make sense of it |
| 14:20.49 | Fossilet | hi |
| 14:21.00 | tarzeau | stoned: i got stoned at medusa when i came upstairs from the bottom dlvl in nethack last game |
| 14:21.06 | tarzeau | stoned: sure, it's great |
| 14:21.11 | stoned | tarzeau: haha |
| 14:21.14 | stoned | awesome |
| 14:21.20 | tarzeau | petrified i mean |
| 14:21.27 | Fossilet | I am in gnome. Is it possible to show the xwindow of a chrooted GNU/linux instalation in my gnome? |
| 14:21.29 | Fossilet | Thanks. |
| 14:21.40 | valdyn | Fossilet: sure |
| 14:21.43 | Fossilet | like xnest? |
| 14:22.04 | Fossilet | valdyn: How can I do it then? Thanks. |
| 14:22.05 | valdyn | Fossilet: your problem description is just fuzzy |
| 14:22.27 | Fossilet | Hmm, I chrooted into it in gnome-terminal. |
| 14:22.37 | valdyn | Fossilet: anything is possible, i dont really know what you want. |
| 14:22.40 | Fossilet | startx normally won't give me a xwindow of it. |
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| 14:22.44 | Fossilet | -_- |
| 14:23.00 | valdyn | Fossilet: what the hell is an xwindow? |
| 14:23.25 | xand | a form of duck |
| 14:23.37 | valdyn | !xwindows |
| 14:23.37 | dpkg | X Windows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, the X Window System, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
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| 14:24.01 | Jemt | Hm, fireHol looks like a nice tool.. |
| 14:24.02 | Fossilet | xwindow , not xwindows |
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| 14:24.10 | Jemt | valdyn: Familiar with Firehol ? |
| 14:24.13 | Fossilet | i do not think i am wrong. |
| 14:24.14 | valdyn | Fossilet: that term is your invention |
| 14:24.22 | valdyn | Jemt: i know only firestarter and shorewall |
| 14:24.30 | xembrx | hey dpkg, what about x windows trap? |
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| 14:24.46 | valdyn | Jemt: and taken a quick look at various others, not firehol |
| 14:25.11 | Jemt | valdyn: Okay, thanks :) |
| 14:25.18 | stoned | fire in the hole |
| 14:25.22 | valdyn | Fossilet: the term xwindow is your invention |
| 14:25.30 | Eric__ | hi all, what is debian tool to start some programs at the boottime? |
| 14:25.53 | Fossilet | Ok, then X widow |
| 14:25.56 | Fossilet | X window |
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| 14:26.18 | valdyn | Fossilet: do you wantto start an application in your chroot that displays on your local X server? |
| 14:26.53 | krazykit | Eric__, depends. for apps or scripts that don't have init scripts, add them to /etc/rc.local |
| 14:27.02 | stoned | i think he wants a desktop not just one app window |
| 14:27.05 | stoned | innit? |
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| 14:27.12 | valdyn | stoned: probably |
| 14:27.18 | Fossilet | valdyn: yes, but a desktop is better. |
| 14:27.41 | stoned | valdyn: he could export vncserver from the chrooted install and connect to himself? |
| 14:27.42 | Eric__ | krazykit: I remember that there was some command to add something to rc automaticaly |
| 14:27.42 | valdyn | Fossilet: a desktop in a window? or a desktop on its own X server? |
| 14:27.47 | stoned | i dunno if that would work |
| 14:28.11 | stoned | is there another way to get a desktop? |
| 14:28.20 | valdyn | stoned: that's a bad solution ( at least if he wants decent performance ), but works sure |
| 14:28.36 | stoned | valdyn: well yeh, cuz I can't see another way you can get a full desktop |
| 14:28.47 | krazykit | Eric__, are you talking about rc-update? |
| 14:28.50 | valdyn | stoned: Xnest, or just 'startx' from the chroot |
| 14:29.00 | stoned | mostly because I'm not an expert on x |
| 14:29.08 | stoned | valdyn: yeh that |
| 14:29.10 | Eric__ | krazykit: thanks, that's it |
| 14:29.51 | Fossilet | my DISPLAY is :0.0, but startx givem error. |
| 14:30.05 | Fossilet | xauth: error in locking authority file /home/tux/.serverauth.5605 |
| 14:30.25 | valdyn | Fossilet: so you actually want startx |
| 14:30.31 | valdyn | Fossilet: is it? |
| 14:30.42 | valdyn | Fossilet: why the hell would you need a $DISPLAY for startx.. |
| 14:31.25 | Fossilet | I remeber i did this in a remote shell |
| 14:32.04 | cahoot | might also check who owns /home/tux/.serverauth.5605 |
| 14:32.13 | valdyn | Fossilet: a) go to console b) log in c) run startx -- :1 d) tell the error |
| 14:32.24 | valdyn | Fossilet: ops sec |
| 14:32.32 | valdyn | Fossilet: a) go to console b) log in c) chroot d ) run startx -- :1 e) tell the error |
| 14:32.38 | valdyn | Fossilet: that one is better ^^ |
| 14:32.59 | Fossilet | startx -- :1 |
| 14:33.00 | Fossilet | hostname: Unknown host |
| 14:33.00 | Fossilet | xauth: error in locking authority file /home/tux/.serverauth.5662 |
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| 14:33.14 | cast | morning |
| 14:33.19 | valdyn | Fossilet: so fix your chroot |
| 14:33.21 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 14:33.22 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 14:34.04 | valdyn | Fossilet: uid need to match, compare the output of the 'id' command in and outside the chroot |
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| 14:35.13 | Fossilet | sigh. out is 1000(non-root), in is 0(root). |
| 14:35.31 | xembrx | there's always "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" if you're having problems with the xserver |
| 14:35.57 | valdyn | Fossilet: you shouldnt start X as root |
| 14:36.22 | Preto1ab | my fault sorry for the trouble |
| 14:37.05 | valdyn | Fossilet: some errors can be excluded by quitting your main X |
| 14:37.47 | Fossilet | I want it to be 'nested' in my X |
| 14:37.56 | valdyn | Fossilet: so you dont really want startx |
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| 14:38.52 | valdyn | Fossilet: in your chroot, make /home match your main /home, and /tmp match your main /tmp. Then you can 'just' run Xnest |
| 14:39.03 | valdyn | Fossilet: as your _user_ , not as root |
| 14:39.18 | valdyn | Fossilet: mount --bind is your friend |
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| 14:39.58 | valdyn | Fossilet: I still dont see the purpose though, as you can just run apps straight from your chroot too |
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| 14:40.25 | Fossilet | valdyn: ok. thanks, I give it a try.;) |
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| 14:42.50 | Nyle | dude |
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| 14:46.56 | Jemt | Argh! I get MD5Sum MisMatch when using Apt-Get - bad mirror ? |
| 14:47.01 | Jemt | I'm trying to install Firestarter |
| 14:47.38 | Jemt | I'm using http://ftp.dk.debian.org/ as source |
| 14:47.39 | shay | bad download |
| 14:47.44 | shay | but ou can try another mirror anyway |
| 14:47.57 | shay | try doing apt-get clean and apt-get install again |
| 14:48.04 | Jemt | Great - is there a mirror list available somewhere ? |
| 14:48.08 | Jemt | Okay |
| 14:48.12 | shay | mirror.debian.org |
| 14:48.20 | Jemt | Thanks :) |
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| 14:50.00 | Jemt | shay: Oh, 'clean' seems to do the trick :) |
| 14:50.04 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 14:50.04 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
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| 14:51.15 | Jemt | Fancy :) |
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| 14:54.08 | nyx1 | hi there |
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| 14:55.21 | nyx1 | my screen is still black after boot text messages (debian etch amd64) but ping works |
| 14:55.53 | nyx1 | so is there a way to fix that problem? |
| 14:55.53 | abrotman | is framebuffer running ? |
| 14:55.55 | wols_ | nyx1: press ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 14:56.04 | nyx1 | i tried to |
| 14:56.12 | nyx1 | but it changes nothing |
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| 14:57.12 | tarzeau | nyx1: wanna try my kernel? |
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| 14:57.29 | tarzeau | nyx1: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/linux-2.6.21.5/ |
| 14:57.32 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:57.40 | abrotman | more custom tarzeau "solutions"! |
| 14:57.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: debian way tarzeau |
| 14:58.10 | nyx1 | tarzeau: well, i just want to get a standard netinst of amd64 etch running; nothing special |
| 14:58.13 | sandman | My Debian Stable installation just froze up. How do I find out why/ |
| 14:58.15 | abrotman | no .. the tarzeau way |
| 14:58.17 | nyx1 | but thanks anyways ;) |
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| 14:58.43 | abrotman | sandman: logs ?" |
| 14:58.51 | sandman | Which one? |
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| 14:59.01 | tarzeau | nyx1: is the hw very new? what graphics card? |
| 14:59.02 | azeem | kern.log, syslog |
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| 14:59.57 | sandman | Last log entry was this: Jul 6 22:39:40 localhost kernel: [<c0101005>] kernel_thread_helper+0x5/0xb |
| 15:00.03 | sandman | But I had done things early this morning |
| 15:00.10 | sandman | Err |
| 15:00.13 | wols_ | sandman: we need the fully stack backtace please |
| 15:00.27 | wols_ | *full stack backtrace |
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| 15:00.34 | nyx1 | tarzeau: i got an ati graphics card and debian worked with the i386 version |
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| 15:00.51 | abrotman | nyx1: you might want to ask #debian-amd64 on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:00.52 | nyx1 | tarzeau: just can't get it running with amd64 |
| 15:01.00 | tarzeau | nyx1: x or console? |
| 15:01.06 | nyx1 | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:01.12 | sandman | Well, here's the thing... my kern.log displays two messages in line: Jul 6 22:39:40, the next one being at Jul 7 09:53:03. My system froze at about 9:00 |
| 15:01.13 | nyx1 | tarzeau: x |
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| 15:01.21 | Zoo- | lenny is nic |
| 15:01.22 | tarzeau | nyx1: and what driver do you use for x11? |
| 15:01.23 | Zoo- | nice* |
| 15:01.45 | Zoo- | I can't believe.. I was still using etch.. erm for what.. argh.. :).. now i can rewrite my script for compiz-fusion and buid the debs |
| 15:01.58 | sandman | So there's no log about when the system actually froze in kern.log. Where else should I check |
| 15:02.04 | Zoo- | after I compile it again, and actually get ccsm working, because it needed pygtk 2.10 or higher :-) |
| 15:02.25 | cast | Zoo-: because etch lets me run aptitude upgrade without having to worry about things changing :) |
| 15:02.41 | Zoo- | ;-) |
| 15:02.48 | nyx1 | tarzeau: i installed it with a netinst image, so i don't have a clue as i didn't use any selfmade stuff |
| 15:02.51 | tarzeau | nyx1: i've avoided ati graphics card at all cost... |
| 15:02.58 | sandman | syslog displays things at around the time when my system froze, but no errors. |
| 15:02.59 | Zoo- | whatever ;-) I"m still going to be working mainly with my Mandriva system.. spring 2007.1 power pack and cooker |
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| 15:03.07 | Zoo- | good for you cast |
| 15:03.13 | tarzeau | nyx1: it's not like selfmade stuff is bad, it's just that ati video drivers are like crap |
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| 15:03.20 | abrotman | azeem: you use gnome on testing/unstable ? |
| 15:03.40 | abrotman | oh wait .. this might be a sawfish problem |
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| 15:04.08 | nyx1 | tarzeau: i've already heard of that but i got debian etch on my notebook with an ati mobile graphics card and it works well |
| 15:04.25 | tarzeau | nyx1: yeah it very much depends on the ati card you have |
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| 15:04.36 | tarzeau | nyx1: sometimes it works (buggy) or not at all |
| 15:05.17 | tarzeau | nyx1: got a chance to exchange it with an nvidia one? |
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| 15:06.53 | nyx1 | tarzeau: i got a broken nvidia graphics card here.. this is why i have an ati graphics card in my pc now :) |
| 15:07.20 | tarzeau | nyx1: broken? fall from 10 m height? |
| 15:07.23 | xand | my radeon works just fine |
| 15:08.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: it worked in i386 |
| 15:08.13 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's an amd64 problem somehow |
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| 15:09.05 | LinZ | sup |
| 15:09.12 | LinZ | anyone use this socat? |
| 15:09.21 | LinZ | i want to use for proxy testing |
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| 15:09.57 | Techbe1 | hello al |
| 15:10.02 | wols_ | LinZ: /msg dpkg anyone |
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| 15:11.40 | LinZ | wols_ what are u doing on irc again?:) |
| 15:11.42 | abrotman | my wm is broken! |
| 15:12.46 | abrotman | well it is :) |
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| 15:13.10 | abrotman | the maximize functionality is totally shot |
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| 15:15.22 | sandman | What does it mean if my system freezes, and there's nothing in the logs about it? |
| 15:15.34 | LinZ | hw sucks |
| 15:15.43 | LinZ | check your cooler and other stuff |
| 15:15.48 | montoya | I have a big problem with Qt 4.3 (I have debian sid) |
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| 15:16.08 | Supaplex | montoya: sounds personal ;) but vague :( |
| 15:16.24 | montoya | problem with window! |
| 15:16.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah i got that |
| 15:16.41 | LinZ | montoya use ubuntu |
| 15:16.48 | montoya | if I open all apps written in Qt4, I have big problem |
| 15:16.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've never had trouble with nvidia cards on amd64 though |
| 15:16.53 | montoya | LinZ: Debian SID |
| 15:16.57 | LinZ | dont use debian for desktop |
| 15:17.02 | LinZ | thats what festy fawn for |
| 15:17.10 | Supaplex | LinZ: hey tool. |
| 15:17.22 | Supaplex | montoya: what's bts say? |
| 15:17.22 | LinZ | ubuntu is debian anyways |
| 15:17.26 | tarzeau | LinZ: no it's not |
| 15:17.29 | tarzeau | !based on debian |
| 15:17.29 | dpkg | Your distribution uses <apt>, but is not officialy Debian maintained (see <why Debian>), nor do we manage all aspects of it. (see <Debian policy>) Therefore, we are not obligated to help you (see <based on Debian caveats>). Please visit the proper IRC channel for your distribution. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> to name a few. |
| 15:17.32 | LinZ | yes it is |
| 15:17.34 | Supaplex | ubuntu is another debian ripoff |
| 15:17.36 | montoya | Supaplex: one moment! |
| 15:17.36 | tarzeau | LinZ: no it's not |
| 15:17.45 | tarzeau | !ubuntu |
| 15:17.45 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu - See also <based on debian caveats>. |
| 15:17.51 | smr | hi folks! Can somebody tell me one thing? If i have two interfaces(lan & wifi) have i write two identical scripts for iptables or how? |
| 15:17.53 | LinZ | ah |
| 15:17.54 | xand | ubuntu is debian if you ask ian murdoch :P |
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| 15:17.56 | LinZ | yeah they stole it |
| 15:18.02 | tarzeau | LinZ: no they didn't |
| 15:18.03 | LinZ | it will remain debian forever |
| 15:18.08 | LinZ | doesnt matter what they do with it |
| 15:18.10 | tarzeau | LinZ: not quite |
| 15:18.11 | xand | and he created debian so should know ;) |
| 15:18.33 | LinZ | tarzeau its not change the fact that ubuntu is better for desktop |
| 15:18.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: got what ? |
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| 15:18.40 | LinZ | and debian for server |
| 15:18.41 | tarzeau | LinZ: i disagree |
| 15:18.49 | montoya | See http://localhostr.com/files/85f8747e61b043cc2e12.png |
| 15:18.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: what his problem was |
| 15:18.50 | krazykit | LinZ, now you're just trolling. |
| 15:18.53 | abrotman | LinZ: that's bullshit |
| 15:18.54 | tarzeau | LinZ: that's just not true |
| 15:18.55 | Arbiter | Supaplex: Ubuntu is an ancient african word that means "I'm not able to install debian" |
| 15:18.57 | Arbiter | :P |
| 15:18.57 | xand | LinZ: better for n00bs maybe :) |
| 15:18.58 | Supaplex | LinZ: better by releasing buggy software w/minimal testing? |
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| 15:19.03 | tarzeau | xand: not even that |
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| 15:19.15 | Supaplex | !Arbiter++ |
| 15:19.16 | LinZ | why would it better? |
| 15:19.20 | tarzeau | !why debian |
| 15:19.20 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ or see <overfiendsphallus> |
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| 15:19.31 | tarzeau | Supaplex: and removing huge amounts of important and great software |
| 15:19.32 | LinZ | i removed many ubuntu script myself |
| 15:19.39 | LinZ | i modified it to look as debian |
| 15:19.44 | tarzeau | Supaplex: or supporting part of it 2nd class way only, or not really at all |
| 15:19.47 | LinZ | so they can go to hell |
| 15:19.57 | tarzeau | LinZ: you could've just taken debian right away, no? |
| 15:20.02 | montoya | You have idea? |
| 15:20.12 | wols_ | tarzeau: don't feed him |
| 15:20.20 | Supaplex | montoya: it's sid. you get to keep the broken pieces. |
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| 15:20.24 | LinZ | what u mean |
| 15:20.34 | LinZ | i dont have any problem with debian man |
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| 15:20.41 | cast | LinZ: some days. would you like to start a socats club? |
| 15:20.41 | montoya | Supaplex: http://localhostr.com/files/85f8747e61b043cc2e12.png |
| 15:20.47 | LinZ | i changed to ubuntu before 4.0 |
| 15:20.51 | LinZ | because it was too old |
| 15:20.54 | stew | LinZ: ubuntu is off-topic |
| 15:21.08 | LinZ | Cast i never used socat before |
| 15:21.14 | LinZ | it will be the first time |
| 15:21.16 | LinZ | :) |
| 15:21.16 | sandman | Is there a way to implement software ECC checking? |
| 15:21.23 | LinZ | so cool to read a new manual |
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| 15:22.23 | LinZ | tarzeau why are u versioning me |
| 15:22.27 | peter__ | :) hello |
| 15:22.29 | LinZ | with your idiotic host |
| 15:22.36 | LinZ | berlin has nothing to do with .ch |
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| 15:22.41 | LinZ | berlin.ethz.ch |
| 15:22.45 | LinZ | is it so tough? |
| 15:22.54 | tarzeau | LinZ: i can name my host whatever i want |
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| 15:22.59 | Supaplex | chill kids |
| 15:22.59 | cast | a mirc user? nasty! |
| 15:23.06 | abrotman | LinZ: stop already |
| 15:23.09 | cast | LinZ: whatever you say is going to be OT. |
| 15:23.11 | LinZ | ethz is a slang of eths |
| 15:23.20 | stew | LinZ: tarzeau: please take it elsewhere |
| 15:23.27 | tarzeau | stew: wtf did i do now? |
| 15:23.40 | tarzeau | stew: you know exactly he's the troll. remove him already |
| 15:23.49 | Arbiter | o.o |
| 15:23.54 | abrotman | and yoiu're not helping |
| 15:23.58 | LinZ | cast i have this thing what can change the version |
| 15:23.59 | wols_ | sandman: no |
| 15:24.00 | giwe | my kernel reboots itself but doesn't leave anything interesting in syslog. any suggestions for debugging a kernel driver? |
| 15:24.05 | stew | tarzeau: drop it, use ignore if he's bothering you. if you want to talk to him about your hostnames, take it elsewhere |
| 15:24.05 | LinZ | i can set it to irc II netbsd |
| 15:24.07 | sandman | wols_: That's too bad. |
| 15:24.07 | LinZ | nokia irc |
| 15:24.11 | LinZ | playstation irc |
| 15:24.14 | LinZ | cool? |
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| 15:24.23 | stew | LinZ: please keep it on-topic. please don't hit enter so much |
| 15:24.30 | stew | LinZ: do you have a debian related question? |
| 15:24.34 | cast | /ignore -time 3600 LinZ cool ;) |
| 15:24.36 | LinZ | yeah so anyone used sockscat for proxy testing? |
| 15:24.50 | LinZ | socat |
| 15:24.57 | wols_ | cast: thanks for that new command option. interesting |
| 15:25.03 | Supaplex | !tell LinZ -about ask |
| 15:26.11 | LinZ | Supaplex why dont u write a new opengl supaplex for linux? |
| 15:26.19 | LinZ | do something useful |
| 15:26.40 | abrotman | LinZ: have you actually tried to use sockscat for proxy testing? |
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| 15:26.52 | stew | LinZ: what he's trying to tell you is that just polling to see if someone has used software isn't really useful. someone definately has used it. just ask your real question assuming someone has used it |
| 15:26.58 | LinZ | yes i triend on other box in the meantime |
| 15:27.00 | LinZ | dont worry |
| 15:27.58 | Supaplex | !tell LinZ -about u |
| 15:28.54 | xand | hmm cycling |
| 15:28.58 | LinZ | yeah but that's shorter |
| 15:29.12 | stew | abrotman: yeah, i'm going to |
| 15:29.20 | abrotman | LinZ: so what problems are you experiencing with sockscat ? |
| 15:29.25 | abrotman | stew: just after lunch! |
| 15:29.44 | abrotman | stew: i'm going to try to bike up to reading .. should be about 40 miles, though i'm already pretty tired |
| 15:30.43 | xand | 40 miles... fun! |
| 15:30.46 | LinZ | now my biggest problem that it don't support S5 |
| 15:30.48 | abrotman | xand: go row! |
| 15:30.52 | LinZ | just noticed it |
| 15:30.53 | tarzeau | and in kilometers? |
| 15:30.57 | xand | we have the tour de france coming through our city tomorrow |
| 15:30.58 | LinZ | so maybe i gonna look for other app |
| 15:31.06 | LinZ | or write one in perl |
| 15:31.13 | abrotman | tarzeau: 16km to 10miles |
| 15:31.19 | wols_ | xand: watch out for empty syringes then |
| 15:31.29 | xand | o.O |
| 15:31.31 | wols_ | you never know what nastiness they contained |
| 15:31.47 | xand | mmkay... |
| 15:32.03 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:32.05 | xand | abrotman: I don't have room for rowing atm |
| 15:32.13 | abrotman | xand: did you move? |
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| 15:32.24 | xand | no, I have friends staying and they're in the way :P |
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| 15:32.30 | abrotman | make them help! |
| 15:32.44 | xand | help? |
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| 15:32.56 | abrotman | help row? |
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| 15:33.01 | xand | help how? |
| 15:33.09 | xand | it's not a boat |
| 15:33.15 | abrotman | oh |
| 15:33.34 | xand | I wouldn't want to get wet ;) |
| 15:33.37 | xand | it's a rowing machine |
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| 15:33.48 | abrotman | i gathered that |
| 15:33.54 | xand | though if I live oop north i could just pop out to the street for a row |
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| 15:34.44 | abrotman | why is the tour defrance in england? |
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| 15:35.07 | tarzeau | http://tourdefrance.istheshit.net/ |
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| 15:35.25 | krazykit | abrotman, i hear they want to put part of the tour de france in canada. i'd assume in quebec ;) |
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| 15:35.29 | xand | abrotman: you tell me |
| 15:35.42 | stew | abrotman: they just started going through england last year, its been a long time since its only been in france, it will also go into spain and belgium |
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| 15:35.48 | abrotman | xand: you're in kent! |
| 15:36.18 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 15:36.19 | xand | really?! |
| 15:36.19 | tarzeau | and switzerland |
| 15:36.19 | abrotman | but .. it's like .. a big thing of water in between! |
| 15:36.19 | xand | there's a tunnel |
| 15:36.19 | abrotman | i knew about spain, etc .. |
| 15:36.19 | acu | is any way to tell linux to automatically mount at boot all my hard disks ? |
| 15:36.20 | abrotman | they don't bike the tunnel! |
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| 15:36.26 | tarzeau | acu: /etc/fstab |
| 15:36.44 | xand | i wonder if they'd fit through the maintenance tunnel |
| 15:36.47 | acu | tarzeau: if you just install autofs would that do it |
| 15:36.53 | tarzeau | acu: no |
| 15:36.58 | abrotman | acu: man fstab .. man mount .. did you set noauto ? |
| 15:37.35 | tarzeau | acu: i don't know anyone using autofs for local harddisks, locally |
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| 15:38.16 | acu | it should be a way to be done automatically without editing manually fstab |
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| 15:38.33 | tarzeau | acu: i disagree |
| 15:38.34 | abrotman | acu: can you paste your fstab somewhere ? |
| 15:38.36 | acu | I heard Ubuntu does this automatically when you install it |
| 15:38.44 | tarzeau | acu: i don't think that's good |
| 15:38.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's nice .. it's still what he wants |
| 15:39.02 | krazykit | acu, editing fstab is the easiest way to do it. |
| 15:39.06 | tvynr | Hey, all. I've twice now attempted to submit a bug report against fakechroot. reportbug has claimed that the e-mail was successfully sent, but http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=fakechroot&archive=no&version=&dist=unstable#_5_3_5 doesn't show the bug report anywhere. Any ideas what's going on? |
| 15:39.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: then he can use ubuntu or configure it to be like he wants? |
| 15:39.09 | stew | acu: possibly gnome-volume-manager will do it |
| 15:39.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: he can do it with debian .. and it's what he wants .. why are you being a pain in the ass ? |
| 15:39.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm not? i think i told him how to do it? using /etc/fstab |
| 15:39.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: but he thinks there's a better way? |
| 15:40.03 | tvynr | Oh my. Into what did I walk here? |
| 15:40.18 | abrotman | tvynr: how long did you wait ? |
| 15:40.19 | stew | using /etc/fstab is not how you can get debian to mount disks without editing /etc/fstab which seems to be what he is looking for |
| 15:40.19 | wols_ | tvynr: marital differences |
| 15:40.28 | tvynr | abrotman: Submitted it last night. |
| 15:40.34 | abrotman | tvynr: ah . okay |
| 15:40.35 | tarzeau | stew: do you know of any other way? |
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| 15:40.38 | tvynr | abrotman: For reference, it is nearly noon for me. ;) |
| 15:41.00 | abrotman | tvynr: are you Supaplex ? |
| 15:41.09 | abrotman | :) |
| 15:41.12 | stew | tarzeau: yes, ivman and probably gnome-volume-manager (which ubuntu uses) |
| 15:41.14 | edistar | hey, how do I tell the bootloader to output on ttyS0? |
| 15:41.18 | tarzeau | gnome-volume-manager is great for storage that you add/remove at runtime (like usb sticks or harddisks) |
| 15:41.24 | Supaplex | I beg to differ! |
| 15:41.25 | tvynr | abrotman: I'm going to proceed with the assumption that Supaplex is an alias or screenname of some kind. So no. :) |
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| 15:41.31 | tarzeau | stew: do they use that for local harddisks that are always plugged in? |
| 15:41.36 | abrotman | tvynr: he's a person here .. who also filed a bug on that package :) |
| 15:41.45 | stew | tarzeau: i don't know, ask #ubuntu |
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| 15:42.00 | abrotman | tvynr: did you get a confirmation email from the BTS ? |
| 15:42.03 | Supaplex | uh what package? :) |
| 15:42.07 | tvynr | abrotman: No, I did not. |
| 15:42.12 | abrotman | Supaplex: fakechroot |
| 15:42.15 | tvynr | Supaplex: fakechroot - you are having trouble with it as well? |
| 15:42.28 | abrotman | tvynr: did you check in your mailqueue ? |
| 15:42.37 | acu | tarzeau: I have some some friends with dial-up access only , no knowledge of linux and wanted to dip in - but from the very first installation none of the other hardisks shows - so right of the bat - something which should be "natural" is not there, and I am show . I will try gnome-volume-manager right know |
| 15:42.40 | Supaplex | tvynr: yes, I made a bugreport on it |
| 15:42.43 | tvynr | abrotman: Pardon? |
| 15:42.47 | Nyle | hmm |
| 15:42.52 | abrotman | tvynr: did you check in your mailqueue ? |
| 15:43.10 | tvynr | Supaplex: What was the problem you were having? I'm having difficulty with it and I'm curious to know if it's the same difficulty. :) |
| 15:43.24 | Supaplex | !bug 420870 |
| 15:43.26 | tarzeau | acu: good luck |
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| 15:43.38 | abrotman | !dbugs 420870 |
| 15:43.41 | dpkg | #420870:N[fakechroot] fakechroot: chroot segfaults; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:00:02 UTC |
| 15:44.08 | tvynr | abrotman: :-P I'm not sure what you're asking for. I checked the e-mail address I provided to reportbug. Are you saying I should be checking the exim4 instance on my workstation? |
| 15:44.15 | abrotman | tvynr: you mean you didn't check the BTS before you filed your bug? :) |
| 15:44.24 | abrotman | tvynr: yes .. see if the mail didn't actually go anywhere |
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| 15:45.06 | tvynr | abrotman: I did check the BTS. I just wasn't sure when Supaplex submitted. |
| 15:45.18 | tvynr | abrotman: How would I go about checking the mailqueue on my box? :) |
| 15:45.38 | abrotman | mailq .. depends on your mta though .. |
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| 15:46.05 | l3on | hi all |
| 15:46.07 | tvynr | Supaplex, abrotman: I did see #420870 against fakechroot when submitting. I'm getting a different behavior, but yeah... Lenny's fakechroot doesn't work at all. |
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| 15:46.17 | l3on | Can you help to report a Bug? |
| 15:46.19 | quitte | how d i have to change this:sed s/foo//g so that it also works if foo is part of a word? |
| 15:46.26 | abrotman | l3on: use reportbug |
| 15:46.26 | l3on | I'm not sure it's a very bug... |
| 15:46.29 | techbie | hello all , i have debian (etch)system having lvm , and want to install another os , wat to do |
| 15:46.34 | l3on | abrotman: yep... done |
| 15:46.34 | tarzeau | quitte: it'll work if it's part of a word |
| 15:46.35 | abrotman | l3on: you're not sure it's a bug ? |
| 15:46.42 | l3on | abrotman: no.. |
| 15:46.47 | Supaplex | tvynr: there are 7 bugs reportted, I don't get why you had to ask me if it was in bts, but ok. *shrug* |
| 15:46.47 | l3on | abrotman: see that: http://paste.debian.net/32224 |
| 15:46.48 | quitte | tarzeau: ok thanks. |
| 15:46.56 | l3on | it's tilda |
| 15:46.56 | tarzeau | quitte: echo foobar foo afooa | sed s/foo//g |
| 15:46.58 | xlq | I can't find libgtk-x11-2.0.so, what package is it in? |
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| 15:47.21 | Supaplex | tvynr: besides, what's the symptom of your fakechroot issue? |
| 15:47.24 | moparisthebest | this in /etc/crontab runs the script every hour: |
| 15:47.25 | moparisthebest | 0 ** * *root /root/ssUpdate.sh |
| 15:47.27 | tvynr | abrotman: I'll go ahead and check mailq. I ran the test on a VM because I can't afford to upgrade my workstation to Lenny (which I'd like to do) until fakechroot is working. |
| 15:47.31 | moparisthebest | how would I run it every 30 minutes? |
| 15:47.41 | tarzeau | moparisthebest: */30 ? |
| 15:47.44 | dvs | moparisthebest: 0,30 * * * * root |
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| 15:48.10 | moparisthebest | so either one works? |
| 15:48.11 | tarzeau | dvs: that'd be every 30 minutes aligned to 0 |
| 15:48.12 | abrotman | l3on: looks like a bug .. but seems like a gtk bug |
| 15:48.18 | Supaplex | moparisthebest: 0,30. */30 is a little different (depending on how long it takes the job to run). man 5 crontab |
| 15:48.25 | dvs | tarzeau: yeah, isn't that every 30 minutes? |
| 15:48.35 | l3on | boh... abrotman it show only in tilda session... |
| 15:48.39 | moparisthebest | it only takes about 1-2 minutes to run |
| 15:48.43 | abrotman | l3on: then file it on tilda |
| 15:48.44 | tarzeau | Supaplex: which is which? |
| 15:48.50 | abrotman | moparisthebest: yes .. either of those will work |
| 15:48.51 | tarzeau | dvs: yes it's too |
| 15:48.58 | moparisthebest | thank you |
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| 15:49.11 | abrotman | !tell xlq about search |
| 15:49.22 | Supaplex | tarzeau: */30 would run it once, and then wait 30 minutes to run it again. if the job takes 3 minutes, it then runs about every 33 minutes. |
| 15:49.29 | l3on | abrotman: what can I do ? |
| 15:49.32 | dvs | oh, neat |
| 15:49.35 | tarzeau | Supaplex: really? i didn't know that |
| 15:49.36 | tvynr | Supaplex: Yeah... didn't note that your name here is the same as one listed in a bug report. :) I'm getting the message "dpkg: /path/to/fakeroot/lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /usr/lib/libfakeroot/libfakeroot-sysv.so)" |
| 15:49.41 | abrotman | l3on: file the bug on tilda! |
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| 15:49.53 | l3on | ah ok... :D |
| 15:50.00 | zicho | How can i check if a port is open? |
| 15:50.04 | abrotman | telnet to it |
| 15:50.08 | tarzeau | zicho: locally? |
| 15:50.13 | dvs | abrotman: ~~~~~~. Yeah, I crashed your computer! :-> |
| 15:50.18 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:50.19 | tarzeau | or netcat (if it's udp) |
| 15:50.46 | tvynr | abrotman: Good call re fakechroot; the mail is listed in my VM's mailq as "frozen". How shall I proceed? |
| 15:50.53 | zicho | how do i do that? |
| 15:50.54 | \amethyst | Supaplex: according to man crontab, */30 means the same thing as 0-59/30, which is the same as 0,30 |
| 15:51.05 | tarzeau | zicho: which port where do you want to check? |
| 15:51.05 | abrotman | tvynr: find another way to mail it ? |
| 15:51.26 | zicho | tarzea: 13209 |
| 15:51.38 | tarzeau | zicho: if it's local, you can also consult netstat -plunt |
| 15:51.42 | tvynr | abrotman: Any tips on where I can find the stored mail file so I can mail it using Icedove? |
| 15:52.06 | abrotman | tvynr: in your mailq :) |
| 15:52.10 | abrotman | /var/spool/mail/ perhaps |
| 15:52.20 | stew | Supaplex: 0/30 and 0,30 are the same |
| 15:52.26 | Supaplex | \amethyst: ok. Maybe it's different on freebsd, but I haven't used that for a while. |
| 15:52.32 | zicho | that only show the active ones |
| 15:52.43 | Supaplex | that's why I trust the man pages over my own recal. :) |
| 15:53.01 | Supaplex | zicho: netstat -l |
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| 15:53.20 | tvynr | abrotman: Thanks. :) |
| 15:53.28 | Supaplex | recall* |
| 15:53.39 | zicho | But that script only shown active internet connections |
| 15:53.50 | sandman | Is there a way to allow Debian to detect when it has frozen, and reboot? |
| 15:53.59 | Supaplex | zicho: netstat -l shows local listening ports. what else do you want? |
| 15:54.13 | l3on | abrotman: done... |
| 15:54.16 | zicho | So if my port isnt listed there, it means its not open? |
| 15:54.26 | smacnay | Was gcstar pulled from some repositories? "testing"? |
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| 15:54.33 | abrotman | l3on: good deal! |
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| 15:54.37 | l3on | :) |
| 15:54.39 | abrotman | !why is gcstar not in testing |
| 15:54.39 | dpkg | gcstar is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gcstar |
| 15:54.40 | tarzeau | smacnay: check at packages.debian.org |
| 15:54.43 | Supaplex | zicho: correct |
| 15:54.44 | h3sp4wn | sandman: you can use a watchdog |
| 15:54.57 | sandman | Do I need any special hardware for that? |
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| 15:55.16 | Chris_abyi | hey! could anyone tell me which audio and video player he is using under debian etch? (amd64) I updated my system from sarge and now xmms and totem won't work anymore |
| 15:55.18 | Chris_abyi | any idea? |
| 15:55.26 | Chris_abyi | (I just get a segfault) |
| 15:55.39 | tarzeau | Chris_abyi: i use opencubicplayer for audio, and mplayer for video |
| 15:55.42 | h3sp4wn | sandman: there is a software one for if you don't have the right hardware |
| 15:55.47 | cast | and ogg123, mpg321? |
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| 15:55.51 | Supaplex | sandman: you might have it already. there's the softdog to, which is sorta useful. |
| 15:56.00 | danilom | some screen capture software??? |
| 15:56.02 | abrotman | Chris_abyi: they should work .. better to find out why |
| 15:56.05 | tarzeau | cast: never, but madlpay sometimes |
| 15:56.07 | sandman | Well |
| 15:56.14 | abrotman | Chris_abyi: i was using both of those on etch for quite a while |
| 15:56.16 | tarzeau | danilom: scrot |
| 15:56.20 | sandman | My Debian system froze up at about 8:00 this morning, and did not restart. |
| 15:56.20 | danilom | thanks |
| 15:56.21 | Chris_abyi | abrotman: give me a hint how-to find out please |
| 15:56.22 | Supaplex | !tell Chris_abyi -about search |
| 15:56.30 | tarzeau | sandman: was the leds blinking? |
| 15:56.31 | cast | i use them often as cplay calls them |
| 15:56.31 | tvynr | abrotman: Bug report away. Much appreciated. :) |
| 15:56.31 | danilom | tarzeau, it save to mpeg? |
| 15:56.32 | sandman | So I'm pretty sure I don't have any watchdog running right now |
| 15:56.34 | abrotman | Chris_abyi: try running them from the console for starters |
| 15:56.35 | sandman | tarzeau: I don't recall |
| 15:56.44 | tarzeau | danilom: no, just screenshots, like png, jpg etc |
| 15:56.49 | abrotman | Chris_abyi: then you can do more advanced stuff if they still don't work |
| 15:56.53 | sandman | tarzeau: I just uninstalled the nvidia drivers and fell back to the nv drivers instead |
| 15:56.59 | tarzeau | sandman: nothing on the screen? |
| 15:57.04 | sandman | tarzeau: As well as uninstalling vmware and installing qemu in its place |
| 15:57.06 | Chris_abyi | okay, I'll see. thanks |
| 15:57.11 | tarzeau | sandman: tried virtualbox yet? |
| 15:57.16 | danilom | tarzeau, well i need to make a movie from my desktop |
| 15:57.16 | sandman | tarzeau: I'm going to see if that fixes anything (if it does, what a waste of an expensive license on vmware, meh) |
| 15:57.23 | sandman | tarzeau: Actually, no |
| 15:57.30 | tarzeau | sandman: did some software possibly use more memory than you have physically+swap ? |
| 15:57.48 | zicho | how do i do if i want to check only udp ports? |
| 15:57.48 | tarzeau | sandman: vmware isn't THAT expensive |
| 15:57.57 | tarzeau | zicho: using netcat |
| 15:58.14 | tarzeau | sandman: i've hardly had machines lock up because of the nvidia driver |
| 15:58.24 | sandman | tarzeau: Nah, not even close. I have 1GB of swap and I rarely use any of it. |
| 15:58.47 | tarzeau | danilom: you could use http://xvidcap.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:58.55 | danilom | THANKS |
| 15:58.59 | tarzeau | sandman: sometimes software leak memory |
| 15:59.03 | Chris_abyi | okay.. It really seems to be a more complex problem - with mplayer, I also get a segfault |
| 15:59.08 | zicho | tarzeau "netcat -l"? |
| 15:59.13 | tarzeau | zicho: no, more like -u |
| 15:59.16 | tarzeau | zicho: and maybe -z |
| 15:59.30 | sandman | Screensavers seem to cause my system a lot of trouble for some reason |
| 15:59.31 | tarzeau | zicho: and checking its return code, echo $? |
| 15:59.43 | Supaplex | sandman: modconf --restrict-section kernel/drivers/char/watchdog |
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| 15:59.51 | sandman | On several occasions my X session has locked up with a screensaver running. When I flip over to console and kill the screensaver process, though, everything starts working again |
| 16:00.08 | tarzeau | sandman: is this xscreensaver on etch? |
| 16:00.10 | zicho | netcat -z gives me a "no destination" output |
| 16:00.24 | tarzeau | zicho: how would it know which computer port to check? |
| 16:00.27 | sandman | This is an etch installation, yes. And it's gnome-screensavers, not xscreensavers |
| 16:00.36 | tarzeau | sandman: oh :) |
| 16:00.42 | zicho | well, how do i do if i just wanna see which ports are open? |
| 16:00.47 | sandman | Perhaps that's it |
| 16:00.50 | tarzeau | sandman: yeah :) |
| 16:00.58 | tarzeau | zicho: netstat |
| 16:01.01 | sandman | Which reminds me, I want to use electricsheep + xscreensaver and ditch gnome-screensaver |
| 16:01.04 | Supaplex | !tell zicho -about grounding |
| 16:01.22 | tarzeau | sandman: the gnome cups manager is dosing cups servers too, when you've got like 50+ printers |
| 16:01.49 | sandman | tarzeau: I wonder why this is |
| 16:01.54 | tarzeau | sandman: bad software |
| 16:01.56 | sandman | tarzeau: Is there some sort of pattern here? |
| 16:02.07 | Supaplex | badram? |
| 16:02.08 | tarzeau | sandman: people that think there's just one computer. one user... |
| 16:02.09 | sandman | tarzeau: Hm. |
| 16:02.30 | sandman | tarzeau: Shouldn't UNIX philosophy fix this, though? |
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| 16:02.36 | tarzeau | sandman: errr? |
| 16:02.48 | zicho | netstat only shows tcp |
| 16:02.54 | sandman | tarzeau: Ah nevermind. |
| 16:02.56 | tarzeau | sandman: C is a great programming language. yet people don't check return codes in their code |
| 16:03.07 | tarzeau | sandman: which unix philosophy are we talking on? |
| 16:03.17 | tarzeau | zicho: not if you give it the right parameter |
| 16:03.19 | aadil | zicho, netstat -nupl |
| 16:03.33 | zicho | thx |
| 16:03.36 | Supaplex | zicho: netstat displays a fistfull of protocols. |
| 16:03.42 | aadil | that's $3 |
| 16:03.44 | aadil | :3 |
| 16:03.47 | aadil | ka ching! |
| 16:03.47 | Supaplex | oh wow, it even has a manpage to! |
| 16:03.57 | tarzeau | Supaplex: which is really good |
| 16:04.06 | Supaplex | yup |
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| 16:04.13 | tarzeau | Supaplex: and ps too |
| 16:04.45 | zicho | so a [my local ip]:53 means that 53 is open? |
| 16:04.58 | m13c2yk | "irc:9~ |
| 16:05.13 | tarzeau | Supaplex: it's great how people can work on unix like systems for decades of year and not understand processes, and what not (like car users that have no idea about their motor/engine) |
| 16:05.29 | tarzeau | zicho: yes |
| 16:06.42 | zicho | thanks for your help |
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| 16:06.58 | abrotman | if you're a user .. you hope to never have to change your engine |
| 16:07.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: unless you get to the engines limits and need/want more? |
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| 16:08.06 | cahoot | then you turn to someone that does |
| 16:08.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: then you should hire a mechanic |
| 16:08.53 | tarzeau | cahoot, abrotman: yes that's what they do |
| 16:09.07 | cahoot | that's a sign of maturity |
| 16:09.08 | abrotman | if you're capable .. don't pretend you are |
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| 16:10.00 | peterS | even windows users understand processes. they may not know the word, but they know about the list of running programs you sometimes have to bring up with ctrl-alt-del and kill individually |
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| 16:10.20 | _3yE_ | hello. i need software to reconfigure my laptop eth for either static ip (dorm) or for DHCP+Cisco VPN (university), automatically. debian repositories list: laptop-net, laptop-netconf, ifplugd and whereami |
| 16:10.24 | tarzeau | peterS: do they have zombie processes? |
| 16:10.28 | _3yE_ | which of them work better with the distro? |
| 16:10.30 | tarzeau | peterS: or disk waiting state? |
| 16:10.39 | peterS | no, Windows doesn't have zombies |
| 16:10.42 | _3yE_ | i wish it would also have detection of lost packages, and also start a script in such event. |
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| 16:10.53 | tarzeau | peterS: because they don't have fork() |
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| 16:11.50 | peterS | the zombie concept doesn't depend on fork, it depends on an exit status, which can just as well come from any kind of asynchronous spawn. I don't know how Windows arranges to pass the exit status back |
| 16:11.57 | acu | is /mnt the "right" folder to mount any hard disk ? |
| 16:12.20 | \amethyst | acu: it's usually used as a temporary mount point |
| 16:12.30 | peterS | acu: /mnt is there purely for the convenience of the admin. use it however you wish - as a temporary place to mount something, or as a dir with subdirectories that you use for that |
| 16:12.32 | zicho | i think most newer distros uses /media/mnt? |
| 16:12.40 | tarzeau | zicho: yes |
| 16:12.40 | \amethyst | acu: if you're going to be mounting it long-term, you should find somewhere else |
| 16:12.55 | zicho | i use /mnt thouch |
| 16:13.08 | zicho | for my hdb, my secondary hdd |
| 16:13.09 | tarzeau | zicho: what if you need a 2nd mount point? |
| 16:13.27 | zicho | i use /media or /mnt |
| 16:13.35 | \amethyst | zicho: I'd use /media/secondary or something like that |
| 16:13.42 | cast | is /media for removable? |
| 16:13.49 | peterS | yes |
| 16:13.53 | peterS | well, subdirectories of it are |
| 16:13.59 | zicho | isnt "external" a more proper term? |
| 16:14.08 | _3yE_ | some distros use /media for everything. |
| 16:14.08 | krazykit | not really |
| 16:14.15 | zicho | all medias are removable after all |
| 16:14.21 | tarzeau | zicho: not at run-time |
| 16:14.28 | tarzeau | zicho: well, unless you don't care if it breaks |
| 16:14.34 | krazykit | zicho, cd/dvd drives use /media and they're not techincally "external" |
| 16:14.46 | zicho | true |
| 16:14.49 | krazykit | assuming they're internal drives, that is |
| 16:14.49 | cast | i did remove hdd while on, then tried to use hdc and comp locked up, that was half an hour later though :D |
| 16:14.52 | tarzeau | zicho: actually for unix like systems, nothing was removable. and removable is still causing trouble |
| 16:14.56 | sandman | virtualbox appears quite nice. |
| 16:15.00 | zicho | well the drive is internal, but the actual media, ie the cd/dvd is external |
| 16:15.05 | acu | I am trying to find some application which does not require knowledge of fstab and mounts automatically all hard disks at boot |
| 16:15.34 | _3yE_ | zicho: unless the drive swallows your disk for good. :) |
| 16:15.41 | \amethyst | should be possible to configure HAL to do that |
| 16:15.42 | tarzeau | acu: i don't think it exists |
| 16:15.42 | peterS | such a script would be fairly easy to write |
| 16:15.44 | zicho | haha |
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| 16:15.56 | peterS | but of course you'd have to make some policy decisions when writing it |
| 16:16.14 | tarzeau | peterS: like to not include usb attached storage? |
| 16:16.20 | zicho | cant you just make a shell script which mounts your harddrives and make it run at boot? |
| 16:16.25 | peterS | e.g.: for FAT filesystems, what users should be allowed to read or write the contents? since they don't already have permission bits encoded |
| 16:16.29 | acu | tarzeau: that will be very sad, as it is so basic need for any desktop use |
| 16:16.33 | tarzeau | zicho: can't he just put the drives in fstab? |
| 16:16.45 | zicho | well, yes. |
| 16:16.50 | \amethyst | zicho: You also need to find all the hard drives |
| 16:16.52 | tarzeau | acu: most people just edit their fstab. if you have many computers do it automatically |
| 16:16.56 | tarzeau | acu: it's not that hard |
| 16:17.01 | _3yE_ | acu, there are GUI configuration programs which write fstab. |
| 16:17.05 | \amethyst | since presumably the problem is that the list of hard drives is unknown |
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| 16:17.07 | sandman | tarzeau: I don't think I like virtualbox's contribution licensing. |
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| 16:17.11 | \amethyst | otherwise, why not use fstab? |
| 16:17.16 | tarzeau | \amethyst: and find out if and what partitions/filesystems it has |
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| 16:17.25 | sandman | tarzeau: Basically they're saying that you must give them permission to re-license your code as they see fit. |
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| 16:17.38 | sandman | tarzeau: In other words, does this mean they can re-license your code and charge other people money for it? |
| 16:17.38 | peterS | tarzeau: no, it is annoying, when someone else wants to plug in a USB stick and it is not accessible until you su to root and edit a stupid file. users of other OSes don't have to put up with that |
| 16:17.41 | tarzeau | sandman: *shrug* |
| 16:17.54 | tarzeau | peterS: for that i'd use gnome-volume-manager |
| 16:17.58 | sandman | tarzeau: Well, someone needs to fork their GPL project. Because that is bogus. |
| 16:18.04 | tarzeau | peterS: i wouldn't put these things into fstab |
| 16:18.13 | peterS | tarzeau: why didn't you just tell him to use that in the first place, then? that's the answer he was looking for |
| 16:18.15 | tarzeau | peterS: because you never know if it has partitions, and what filesystems it has |
| 16:18.20 | chris_debian | Hi, all. Anyone using Debian on a Sparc Station? |
| 16:18.26 | tarzeau | peterS: he was told so some hours ago |
| 16:18.27 | crescent_ | I am trying to install debian on an ancient machine though after the install option I get 'crc error --System halted' is this related to my cdrom or harddrive that I try to install on |
| 16:18.35 | tarzeau | peterS: he just keeps asking the same thing again. *shrug* |
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| 16:18.56 | tarzeau | peterS: i think he means internal harddisks, nothing usb attached, but he never said |
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| 16:19.01 | transvaal_ | i don't want a netinst, which cd should i download? i need a quite packed bedian (with no X) |
| 16:19.10 | acu | _3yE_: can you give me few examples of GUI's which configures an automount at boot of all hard drives on the system ? |
| 16:19.19 | tarzeau | peterS: and from what i know, gnome-volume-manager is told via hal what to mount and what not (cdrom, usb attached storage) |
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| 16:19.45 | peterS | transvaal_: the first regular etch CD image, or the first two, would be fine. anything that isn't on those CDs and you try to install, it will download at install time, so getting full-size CDs isn't necessary, it just saves bandwidth later on |
| 16:20.33 | witless | ok... i have a logical volume that includes a software raid1 volume in it. but it's now only using one of the raid1's physical volumes instead of the raid array. mdstat tells me there is no array. |
| 16:20.37 | transvaal_ | peterS, thanks. is there somewhere where i can see what's on the cds? |
| 16:21.00 | acu | \amethyst: it is exactly what I mean. A new comer installing Debian will find it exiting until they have to use the hard disks, then the usuall routine frustration of going to fstab, figuring all the hard drives then puting 0's and file systems |
| 16:21.08 | peterS | !searchjigdo |
| 16:21.08 | dpkg | [searchjigdo] http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search |
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| 16:21.09 | \amethyst | !cd contents |
| 16:21.09 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 16:21.15 | peterS | transvaal_: see what dpkg just said |
| 16:21.19 | _3yE_ | acu: kde-guidance, but Gnome also has a tool of such kind. |
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| 16:21.36 | \amethyst | acu: The installer gives you the option of doing that |
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| 16:21.42 | abrotman | acu: FWIW .. i use gnome .. and it seems to grab anything i stick in the box |
| 16:22.21 | acu | \amethyst: is that so, at which step? |
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| 16:23.13 | \amethyst | acu: paritioning |
| 16:23.30 | \amethyst | s/pari/parti/ |
| 16:24.54 | _3yE_ | reinstalling the system just because one gets a new internal drive is... stupid. :) |
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| 16:26.27 | Miles_Prower | I had to reinstall because I changed motherboards. |
| 16:26.40 | l3on | sorry... but mail to report a bug is: submit@bugs.debian.org ? |
| 16:26.45 | Miles_Prower | from athlon64 running debian-AMD64 to a P4 HT 3.0ghz |
| 16:26.50 | tarzeau | l3on: yes |
| 16:26.53 | l3on | ok... |
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| 16:27.33 | abrotman | uhm iirc ht isnt 64bit |
| 16:28.36 | cast | some p4s had em64t |
| 16:28.42 | abrotman | but they weren't HT |
| 16:28.49 | krazykit | they were the EEs, i think |
| 16:29.08 | wols_ | not just EEs |
| 16:29.16 | wols_ | the gen after prescott had it |
| 16:29.19 | smacnay | tarzeau: I see gcstar in stable and unstable but not in testing. Is it common for packages to be pulled from one repository? |
| 16:29.21 | wols_ | all pentium Ds do too |
| 16:29.30 | wols_ | presler had EMT64 |
| 16:29.42 | tarzeau | smacnay: not common, but it happens |
| 16:29.59 | wols_ | Miles_Prower: you never have to reinstall linux due to mobos. this is not windows |
| 16:30.01 | tarzeau | smacnay: i think someone invoked an url for the reason why it was pulled |
| 16:30.02 | abrotman | smacnay: i showed you earlier |
| 16:30.10 | abrotman | smacnay: yes it happens a fair amount |
| 16:30.11 | smacnay | tarzeau: hmm. well I hope ot comes back... |
| 16:30.19 | Miles_Prower | wols: to go from a 64-bit distro to a 32-bit one? |
| 16:30.27 | crescent_ | I tried also from my other hard drive which I have debian sarge installed but there I got 'fsck failed Please repair manually .... |
| 16:30.29 | abrotman | see!!!!!!! |
| 16:30.30 | tarzeau | smacnay: checked its bugs? you too can help get it back |
| 16:30.33 | smacnay | abrotman: sorry, I was changing a diaper and giving my baby a bottle. |
| 16:30.40 | abrotman | smacnay: crappy excuse! |
| 16:30.42 | abrotman | literally |
| 16:30.43 | wols_ | Miles_Prower: that has nothing to do with mobos |
| 16:30.48 | crescent_ | I have not used this machine for months and did not understand the problem |
| 16:30.48 | smacnay | abrotman: hehe |
| 16:30.59 | smacnay | yes, sh9tty to be exact |
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| 16:32.00 | Miles_Prower | wols_, sure it does.. my replacement motherboard doesn't support 64-bit operations. XD |
| 16:32.37 | Miles_Prower | wols_, now if only they had a way to make the kernel dualmode fully, though I admit that'd get bloaty quick. |
| 16:32.49 | smacnay | abrotman: thanks - found the link |
| 16:32.51 | Miles_Prower | I386/AMD64 dual-purpose core. |
| 16:32.54 | wols_ | Miles_Prower: no mobo supports 64bit or doesn't support it. it's purely a cpu thing |
| 16:33.12 | Miles_Prower | wols_, I switched from a mobo w/athlon64 on it.. |
| 16:33.22 | Miles_Prower | to a mobo with p4 HT on it. |
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| 16:33.58 | abrotman | wols_: a pure64 distro won't work on a 32bit CPU |
| 16:34.15 | wols_ | abrotman: but the used mobo has nothing to do with anything he said |
| 16:34.37 | abrotman | wols_: he just said he had to reinstall because he switched mobos .. and therefore CPUs ... |
| 16:34.43 | Miles_Prower | Yep. |
| 16:34.56 | abrotman | wols_: admittedly . IMO .. it's a 'no freaking duh' .. but whatever |
| 16:35.16 | Miles_Prower | I got a kickass Antec 900 case w/upgraded fans and dust filters as it's a dustmagnet without them. |
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| 16:35.29 | artagnon | How to make the initscript start pulseaudio like artagnon started it? |
| 16:35.32 | Miles_Prower | thus my linux box had to be downgraded to the older board, and my new main system built. |
| 16:35.34 | artagnon | the initscript I got is here: |
| 16:35.39 | artagnon | http://pastebin.ca/607436 |
| 16:36.23 | rob19 | i am new to linux / debian and understand that debian's 'stable' branches usually contain older versions of software as time goes on (i.e: ruby 1.8.4 even though 1.8.6 has been released since march). what would i have to do if i want to use 1.8.6? compile it myself into /usr/local? if i do this will other software installed via apt-get that depend on ruby know to use ruby 1.8.6 i installed myself or would i have to do something? |
| 16:36.30 | artagnon | I don't want root to own the process |
| 16:36.44 | abrotman | !backports |
| 16:36.44 | dpkg | backports is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 16:37.24 | crescent_ | I am getting from my sarge system fsck failed error, I tried to run fsck manually and replied anything yes at the end I got a warning message like fsck.ext3 for /dev/hda1 exited with signal 11 |
| 16:37.43 | Supaplex | ouch |
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| 16:38.53 | pocukrani | it`s advisably to have installed some firewall if i have installed only server for apache and some bots apd psybnc`s? |
| 16:39.07 | artagnon | abrotman: why are you telling me about backports? |
| 16:39.14 | abrotman | artagnon: i was telling rob19 |
| 16:39.19 | wols_ | pocukrani: no |
| 16:39.31 | abrotman | in some .. roundabout way :) |
| 16:39.49 | pocukrani | wols_, ok |
| 16:39.55 | Azar | tarzeau, ever tried synfig, 2d animation ? |
| 16:39.57 | artagnon | artagnon: okay, nvm |
| 16:40.07 | abrotman | Azar: synfig is cool |
| 16:40.16 | abrotman | artagnon: you're talking to yourself |
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| 16:40.30 | Azar | hi abrotman, :) I was just reading about... is still in experimental |
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| 16:40.38 | abrotman | Azar: nope .. it's in etch |
| 16:40.41 | tarzeau | Azar: i looked at it. but no, never used it seriously. you? ever built it yourself? |
| 16:40.48 | artagnon | .wc |
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| 16:40.58 | abrotman | !info synfig etch |
| 16:41.00 | Azar | tarzeau: I am trying to get it and learn .. |
| 16:41.06 | _E-bola | Anybody here who have tried/or uses keepalived? |
| 16:41.08 | abrotman | oh .. i thought it was |
| 16:41.12 | abrotman | !info synfig-studio etch |
| 16:41.17 | abrotman | hrm |
| 16:41.25 | tarzeau | Azar: and what about 3d stuff? or games? :) |
| 16:41.28 | abrotman | !info synfigstudio etch |
| 16:41.34 | Azar | abrotman: "in experimental stage" I ment :) |
| 16:41.34 | abrotman | damn it .. i give up |
| 16:41.45 | Azar | http://www.linux.com/feature/115325 |
| 16:41.55 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 16:42.02 | abrotman | i thought it released with etch .. guess not |
| 16:42.02 | Azar | tarzeau: nope... first time I could try on |
| 16:42.23 | abrotman | i guess i must have just pulled it from sid at some point |
| 16:43.00 | Azar | it says is still full of bugs |
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| 16:46.28 | Azar | is in unstable: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=synfig&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386 |
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| 16:47.13 | xerophyte | what is the story of the iceweasel .. do i have to install firefox or is iceweasel is real firefox |
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| 16:47.37 | tarzeau | xerophyte: the story is in bts i think .. install iceweasel, in debian yes |
| 16:47.41 | Azar | xerophyte: same package with different name for the trademark sake |
| 16:47.56 | tarzeau | Azar: gnu has a different software with the iceweasel name |
| 16:48.17 | xerophyte | Azar, so i don't have to install firefox am i right |
| 16:48.18 | Azar | tarzeau: hmmm I thought I read that is only name issue |
| 16:48.32 | Azar | xerophyte: right... |
| 16:48.47 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.01 | Azar | tarzeau: is iceweasel in any way different? as functionality, looks? |
| 16:49.04 | tarzeau | Azar: in debian yes |
| 16:49.16 | tarzeau | Azar: i don't know, you know i don't like this browser, or any other mozilla software |
| 16:49.26 | Azar | tarzeau: so which has more functionality? which one of them? |
| 16:49.31 | tarzeau | Azar: it doesn't support animated mouse cursors |
| 16:49.36 | tarzeau | Azar: internet explorer |
| 16:49.43 | tarzeau | but i prefer links2 -g |
| 16:49.59 | Azar | oh my god, don't dissapoint me with pony cursors |
| 16:50.08 | tarzeau | Azar: i think it's cool |
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| 16:50.21 | Azar | I detest that feature |
| 16:50.26 | tarzeau | Azar: if you move the mouse slow enough it really looks like the pony is riding over the webpage |
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| 16:50.38 | tarzeau | Azar: only because you see frame one only :) |
| 16:50.41 | _3yE_ | there was a difference between firefox and iceweasel back a few months ago. iseweasel included security fixes, firefox didnt. nowadays no difference. install iceweasel. |
| 16:51.10 | Azar | tarzeau: did you know that some 3 months ago that "feature" proved to be a major security bug? |
| 16:51.46 | tarzeau | Azar: yes. so? can it not be fixed like any other security bug? |
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| 16:51.49 | Azar | xerophyte: take the iceweasel, run it for a while if you don't like it, you can uninstall and install firefox over |
| 16:52.02 | tarzeau | Azar: badly written software has nothing to do with nice features, is it? |
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| 16:52.09 | lkthomas-home | hey guys |
| 16:52.14 | sandman | What's the consensus on Xen? |
| 16:52.14 | tarzeau | Azar: xorg supports colored animated cursors too, after all, or? |
| 16:52.18 | Azar | hell freeze over if I ever have to waste time on fixing a damn browser |
| 16:52.45 | tarzeau | Azar: http://hell.istheshit.net/ |
| 16:52.52 | Azar | I never got any plugins for my browser. All I use the browser for is read text |
| 16:52.59 | Azar | :) |
| 16:53.04 | tarzeau | Azar: and watch pictures? just like me |
| 16:53.22 | tarzeau | Azar: http://foxtrotters.tripod.com/litlpony2.gif |
| 16:53.43 | Azar | nah... if there are pictures there ok, but not going to use gadgets to get to watch something.. other than regular .jpg |
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| 16:54.07 | Azar | ricky: I would happily use links2, but white on black hurts my eyes |
| 16:54.14 | tarzeau | Azar: it's on gray |
| 16:54.31 | Azar | hmm not on my system |
| 16:54.38 | tarzeau | Azar: text or graphic mode? |
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| 16:54.44 | Azar | text mode |
| 16:54.53 | tarzeau | Azar: that's the terminal then, not links2 |
| 16:55.03 | tarzeau | Azar: i don't know much terminals that don't support reverse video |
| 16:55.03 | Azar | yeah |
| 16:55.09 | tarzeau | Azar: i'm talking links2 -g |
| 16:55.16 | Azar | tarzeau: you are a wiz :) |
| 16:55.23 | xbaez | whazup how you doing ... |
| 16:55.24 | Azar | yeah I ment links |
| 16:56.00 | Azar | tarzeau: now that I heard gif's patents expired or something like that.. they are up for grabs? |
| 16:56.11 | tarzeau | Azar: debian main has gifsicle long ago again |
| 16:56.31 | Azar | teheee.. love that name: gifsicle |
| 16:57.10 | _3yE_ | so sick. |
| 16:57.21 | tarzeau | Azar: bugs.debian.org/212193 |
| 16:58.09 | Azar | yo watch this: 2.6.20.15 now is stable... maybe Etch gets one soon :) |
| 16:58.18 | tarzeau | Azar: in winter 2007? |
| 16:58.35 | tarzeau | Azar: yo mean 2.6.21.6 ? |
| 16:58.45 | Azar | tarzeau: I don't see why not right away since it was voted to pass kernels with blobs in it.. |
| 16:58.53 | Azar | tarzeau: both |
| 16:59.09 | tarzeau | Azar: ah nice, and also for the installer? i can't wait for the 2.6.22.x ones |
| 16:59.16 | Azar | http://lwn.net/Articles/240915/ |
| 16:59.49 | tarzeau | Azar: i don't use the netfilter on the workstations so... |
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| 17:00.31 | Azar | I am happy for you all guys, Im not gonna upgrade anymore |
| 17:01.03 | Azar | all I have so far is good and "just works".. I am happy |
| 17:01.09 | lkthomas-home | does NIC card polling would help on crossover network ? |
| 17:01.24 | yangvnc | how can I identify which process listens on port 6970 ? |
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| 17:02.37 | Sweetandy | How do I update my time? |
| 17:02.42 | tarzeau | lkthomas-home: what's a crossover network? |
| 17:02.43 | x_link | Hi, I need some help. |
| 17:02.45 | x_link | Before I could just connect my cellphone wit the USB-wire to my computer ad transfer music etc. |
| 17:02.50 | tarzeau | Sweetandy: most people use ntp, some use rdate |
| 17:02.53 | x_link | But now when I connect my cellphone to my computer and choose Open A New Window I get a error message |
| 17:03.02 | x_link | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, missing codepage or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so |
| 17:03.09 | x_link | I get that message. Could somebody please help me with this? |
| 17:03.36 | wols_ | x_link: what if you try to mount it manually |
| 17:04.31 | x_link | wols_: I don't know how =/ |
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| 17:04.52 | wols_ | x_link: what is the partition your usb stick shows up as? |
| 17:05.00 | wols_ | dmesg will tell after you plugged it in |
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| 17:05.41 | Sweetandy | tarzeau: Okay that was way too fast. This computer is too good to be true. |
| 17:06.11 | x_link | wols_: I did dmesg yesterday, but I didn't understand anything. |
| 17:06.20 | x_link | wols_: I will plugin m y cellphone now to see. Hold on.. |
| 17:06.25 | wols_ | x_link: plug it in. paste the dmesg output |
| 17:06.32 | x_link | Okej. Thanks! |
| 17:06.39 | lkthomas-home | tarzeau: using cross over cable |
| 17:07.05 | x_link | wols_: My cellphone is plugged in now, I will run dmesg now. |
| 17:07.05 | tarzeau | lkthomas-home: no it wouldn't |
| 17:07.12 | beardy | x_link: Haven't you read the book I gave you long ago.. |
| 17:07.22 | x_link | beardy: Which book? |
| 17:07.30 | lkthomas-home | tarzeau: so it wouldn't help ? |
| 17:07.38 | tarzeau | lkthomas-home: no it wouldn't |
| 17:07.58 | tarzeau | lkthomas-home: polling or not is something for the driver, depending what/how you'll use the nic |
| 17:08.04 | tarzeau | lkthomas-home: nothing to do with crossover cables |
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| 17:08.08 | beardy | x_link: http://www.df.lth.se/~triad/gnulinux/gnulinux-2upl.pdf |
| 17:08.11 | x_link | wols_: dmesg is really long. |
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| 17:08.20 | x_link | beardy: A little bit yes. |
| 17:08.25 | beardy | All swedish reading people, read that. |
| 17:08.56 | x_link | Okej, I will start reading it |
| 17:09.25 | x_link | wols_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29011/ |
| 17:09.32 | x_link | beardy: I have been reading another book. |
| 17:09.44 | x_link | beardy: "Linux För Alla, 2:a upplagan" |
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| 17:10.00 | beardy | x_link: Right.. but that book is the only one worth reading, in swedish. |
| 17:10.08 | x_link | Okej, I will read it. |
| 17:10.48 | x_link | wols_: I did sudo aptitude install usbmount, a friend with GNOME did that as well and he get an icon in /home, so he could just right click it and choose umount before he takes the USB-wire out. |
| 17:11.02 | x_link | But I don't get that icon in my /home. |
| 17:11.59 | yangvnc | how can I identify which process listens on port 6970 ? |
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| 17:12.05 | x_link | wols_: When I put in the cellphone and choose Open New Window then the path is ---> system:/media/sdb1 |
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| 17:12.19 | cahoot | yangvnc, lsof -i |
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| 17:13.07 | beardy | !wiui yangvnc |
| 17:13.07 | dpkg | yangvnc: When trying to umount a drive, and it's busy, or just to list which processes uses a certain thing, a device, a port, and so on, run lsof(8) or fuser(1), i e like this 'lsof /dev/cdrom' (as root) to see which process and user that's using it. Also ask me about "fuser" and "lsof" |
| 17:13.44 | abrotman | yangvnc: fuser -n tcp 6970 |
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| 17:16.01 | Sweetandy | How might I find out if my graphics card is capable of direct rendering? |
| 17:16.04 | wols_ | x_link: mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 |
| 17:16.09 | wols_ | x_link: what debianb version is it btw? |
| 17:16.28 | x_link | Lenny |
| 17:16.41 | x_link | wols_: Must the cellphone be connected to the computer when I do that command? |
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| 17:16.59 | wols_ | yes |
| 17:17.01 | x_link | ok |
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| 17:18.01 | x_link | sedde@sedde:~$ sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 |
| 17:18.02 | x_link | mount: mount point /media/sdb1 does not exist |
| 17:18.06 | linux_jones | so if i set my laptop up ac a router/firewall, is the internet still functional on it? |
| 17:18.58 | abrotman | should be |
| 17:19.04 | x_link | wols_: I will just have dinner quick. be back soo |
| 17:19.25 | n0mad | hi. im using emacs22 (sid). what is the status of its xft-support. couldnt find a definitive answer in google. |
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| 17:19.54 | beardy | _in_ google? |
| 17:20.07 | wirefire | is there a lenny netinst available? |
| 17:20.17 | tarzeau | wirefire: probably, but it's not supported |
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| 17:21.15 | beardy | n0mad: Your googling sucks. |
| 17:21.17 | beardy | n0mad: Xft support didn't make it into the Emacs 22 release. Posted by Keith at Mon Jul 2 15:49:04 |
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| 17:27.16 | utopia_ | heh do you know what a Garda is where I come from Garda ? |
| 17:27.30 | Nyle | garda means the purest form of hash |
| 17:27.34 | Nyle | the way its made |
| 17:27.39 | utopia_ | haha |
| 17:27.42 | Nyle | kachha/raw garda or pakka/cooked garda |
| 17:27.43 | utopia_ | it means cop here! |
| 17:27.46 | Nyle | ahh |
| 17:27.47 | Nyle | cool |
| 17:27.52 | n0mad | beardy: i dont get this. xft support works perefctly when i build emacs22 from source on my other linux-box. but after all this months of delay and snapshots, the debian maintainers are still not able to provide the complete functionalities. |
| 17:27.58 | Garda | utopia_: you're irish right |
| 17:28.04 | Garda | i've heard it means cop in irish |
| 17:28.07 | utopia_ | i wish the cops here were made of ganja, i'd light em up and smoke em |
| 17:28.07 | Nyle | whoah Garda is a dude |
| 17:28.08 | Nyle | hehe |
| 17:28.23 | utopia_ | yep Garda |
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| 17:28.30 | scummos | hi :) |
| 17:28.42 | Nyle | garda in my language also means someone who makes rounds or someone who goes around |
| 17:28.44 | scummos | i´m just downloading debian etch and i finished dvd 1. |
| 17:28.59 | Nyle | we call cops that, cuz at night cops on duty do garda, meaning they walk around checking stuff |
| 17:29.03 | tarzeau | scummos: you don't have internet where you install it? |
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| 17:29.13 | scummos | so i tried to start it (to test the internet) with qemu |
| 17:29.22 | scummos | \ yes i have, but wlan |
| 17:29.30 | scummos | and i think it won´t work out of the box |
| 17:29.35 | tarzeau | scummos: why not? |
| 17:29.45 | scummos | hum, because it didn´t work for suse |
| 17:29.58 | scummos | i compiled the driver myself, then it was ok |
| 17:30.20 | scummos | _and_ i however will need the dvd´s later |
| 17:30.28 | scummos | give them to friends maybe usw. |
| 17:30.57 | scummos | however, i get the following message: "Your CPU does not support long mode. Use a 32bit distribution." |
| 17:31.25 | scummos | i have an intel c2d 6420 |
| 17:31.30 | scummos | 2x2,13ghz |
| 17:31.35 | scummos | that _must_ be 64bit |
| 17:31.47 | tarzeau | scummos: ia64 maybe? |
| 17:32.00 | scummos | hm, dont know |
| 17:32.07 | scummos | i startet downloading AMD64 |
| 17:32.17 | tarzeau | i only got amd64/em64t |
| 17:32.19 | scummos | because i found my processor in wikipedia there |
| 17:32.22 | tarzeau | never seen an ia64 thing |
| 17:32.36 | tictac | scummos: typing on one or two lines might make people want to help you, rather than typing 3 words per line. |
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| 17:33.22 | scummos | ok, i´ll try to avoid this.... but my typing is slow and i dont want others to think i´m away :) |
| 17:34.15 | tictac | scummos: just because your away doesnt mean someone wont see your question and answer it. |
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| 17:35.01 | beardy | n0mad: Yhey obviously need your help. |
| 17:35.19 | beardy | They |
| 17:38.39 | scummos | tictac: okay. :) \ i just wanted to know if that may be a qemu problem or if i have to download another arch... and if, which one? |
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| 17:40.41 | pipeline | tarzeau: don't be a prick :P |
| 17:41.19 | tarzeau | pipeline: huh? about what? |
| 17:41.29 | pipeline | tarzeau: ia64 my eye, nobody who comes in here asking has ia64 :P |
| 17:41.35 | pipeline | tarzeau: ia64 systems are expensive and slow. |
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| 17:42.23 | tarzeau | pipeline: yet they exist, and debian supports them as well |
| 17:42.33 | foutrelis | Is a pretty default debian LAMP installation secure? |
| 17:42.36 | tarzeau | pipeline: i've got access to some actually, but i've never seen them :) |
| 17:42.44 | tarzeau | foutrelis: yes, read harden-doc |
| 17:43.00 | foutrelis | tarzeau: Thanks. Will do. |
| 17:43.08 | wols_ | foutrelis: it's php... |
| 17:43.21 | tarzeau | wols_: and mysql |
| 17:43.26 | foutrelis | wols_: It's Drupal :P |
| 17:43.31 | tarzeau | wols_: two things i avoid at all cost |
| 17:43.39 | wols_ | well mysql is usually not exposed directly, only via php |
| 17:43.41 | foutrelis | Can't do that :( |
| 17:43.44 | wols_ | so all fault lies with the php programmer :) |
| 17:43.47 | foutrelis | :\ |
| 17:43.58 | foutrelis | so.. no coding for me.. :) |
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| 17:48.41 | n0mad | beardy: obviously. |
| 17:49.01 | urv | ls |
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| 17:52.05 | beardy | !dir |
| 17:52.05 | dpkg | wrong OS, foo. CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 17:54.51 | peter__ | My fstab shows that /dev/sda1 has mount point "/" type etx3. Is it good? Am I also asking, cause my USB external disc, want to mount as sda1 and ofcours it cant. |
| 17:56.07 | \amethyst | peter__: It sounds like your main hard drive is sda |
| 17:56.11 | xembrx | !gnash |
| 17:56.11 | dpkg | i heard gnash is a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ |
| 17:56.47 | \amethyst | peter__: If you want to find your external USB disk's device, plug it in and look in /dev/disk/by-id |
| 17:56.57 | peter__ | \amethyst, ok, thanks |
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| 17:59.50 | peter__ | \amethyst, I got long "usb_WD-800BB_Extrnal_57442D5743414D3945363835393238 and same+ "-part1" what gives me that? |
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| 18:00.40 | \amethyst | peter__: You have two options. You can use the -part1 device to mount. Or, you can ls -l and see what actual device it's linked to |
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| 18:01.34 | \amethyst | peter__: the short (sdb etc) device name might change if it's plugged in after another USB disk/ipod/etc |
| 18:02.11 | \amethyst | peter__: The long name will always refer to that particular drive, regardless of what else is plugged in |
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| 18:03.02 | peter__ | \amethyst, I have add to fstab /dev/sdb1 /media/wd ntfs-3g defaults,force 0 0, and now it gives me other error "You are not privileged to mount the volume 'WD USB'2.. |
| 18:03.22 | valdyn | peter__: its better to use the uuid in /etc/fstab |
| 18:03.33 | valdyn | peter__: certainly if the device is hotpluggable |
| 18:03.36 | \amethyst | peter__: in the column with 'defaults' also add ",user" |
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| 18:03.53 | \amethyst | peter__: And, yeah, it's better to use the long one, so it won't break if something else is plugged in |
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| 18:05.29 | \amethyst | peter__: do you want to mount it as a user or as root? |
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| 18:05.42 | peter__ | \amethyst, valdyn I dont understand ;/ I got folder /uuid. And long name of my usb external in /by-id. Also I can use fstab. |
| 18:05.47 | peter__ | \amethyst, as user |
| 18:05.48 | Scurz_ | 1 |
| 18:05.52 | Scurz_ | yop* |
| 18:05.55 | \amethyst | peter__: so /dev/disk/by-id/usb_WD-800BB_Extrnal_57442D5743414D3945363835393238-part1 /media/wd ntfs-3g defaults,force,user 0 0 |
| 18:06.21 | peter__ | \amethyst, can I add it somewere, to make it automount ? |
| 18:06.52 | \amethyst | peter__: You can do that with fstab, but then it will be root mounting it |
| 18:07.20 | peter__ | \amethyst, but, on etch, I could mount ntfs read only |
| 18:07.32 | peter__ | \amethyst, and it works |
| 18:08.05 | peter__ | \amethyst, so, is there any way to mount it read/write as user ? |
| 18:09.10 | \amethyst | peter__: So, you want it to be automatically mounted on boot, and you want a particular(?) user to be able to read/write everything on the drive? |
| 18:09.26 | \amethyst | peter__: And you want users to be able to unmount/mount it? |
| 18:09.27 | peter__ | \amethyst, yes, exactly |
| 18:09.51 | scummos | hey, again the question... which arch d´i have to download if i own an intel core2duo 6420? |
| 18:09.54 | peter__ | \amethyst, I want only one user could do that, "peter" |
| 18:09.57 | scummos | is AMD64 ok? |
| 18:10.09 | peter__ | \amethyst, and "root" ofcours |
| 18:10.46 | r4-mecha | scummos: x64? |
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| 18:11.20 | scummos | r4-mecha uuuhm... is that available? |
| 18:11.23 | \amethyst | peter__: /dev/disk/by-id/usb_WD-800BB_Extrnal_57442D5743414D3945363835393238-part1 /media/wd ntfs-3g defaults,force,owner,auto,uid=peter,umask=002 0 0 |
| 18:11.43 | peter__ | \amethyst, and I should add it to fstab yes? |
| 18:11.47 | \amethyst | peter__: yes |
| 18:12.05 | \amethyst | peter__: And you will have to arrange that "peter" owns the device... that will let peter and root, and no one else, mount the device |
| 18:12.06 | r4-mecha | scummos: dunno |
| 18:12.11 | r4-mecha | <-- hangover |
| 18:12.11 | scummos | r4-mecha no it isn´t, there´s only amd64 and ia64, which shall i take? |
| 18:12.18 | quasisane | scummos: i386 for 32-bit, or AMD64 for 64 bit ... either will work |
| 18:12.29 | quasisane | scummos: ia64 is for Itanium |
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| 18:12.55 | Jemt | !repository |
| 18:12.55 | dpkg | methinks debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 18:13.00 | scummos | <quasisane> and that means? :) in qemu, i get "Your CPU does not support long mode. Use a 32 bit distro" when starting the image |
| 18:13.11 | scummos | (of AMD64) |
| 18:13.35 | sebastian_ | DR WHO IS THE SHIT |
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| 18:13.46 | quasisane | haven't used qemu, so can't help much there |
| 18:14.24 | scummos | <quasisane> hm, ok |
| 18:14.49 | Gathond | scummos: my quess is qemu does not emulate a 64 bit CPU |
| 18:14.51 | scummos | so i think i havent any other choice to download the ia64 cd 1 and start it... and see what happens |
| 18:14.55 | Gathond | but only a 32 bit one |
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| 18:15.09 | scummos | <Gathond> ok, that´s also what i thought |
| 18:15.20 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to re-run the APT-Get configuration so I can choose a different mirror ? |
| 18:15.22 | Jemt | !apt-get |
| 18:15.22 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude> |
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| 18:15.48 | peter__ | \amethyst, can I do it frome my gnome panel ? |
| 18:15.59 | peter__ | \amethyst, I mean, give permission |
| 18:16.08 | Scurz_ | Have you a good documentation to install a raid1 ? |
| 18:16.46 | sebastian_ | MONO`, been to walmart ^^ |
| 18:16.47 | bonez44 | if one installs a package from source or tarball...versus using aptitude or apt-get..is there a customary folder into which to install? |
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| 18:16.53 | bonez44 | or does it matter? |
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| 18:17.03 | MONO` | sebastian_: yup |
| 18:17.25 | compDo | what package do I need on Etch to get additional fonts in openoffice? |
| 18:17.30 | sebastian_ | MONO`, Wish I could go there to.. But I'm not from america.. so.. |
| 18:17.57 | MONO` | i got a new jump drive and a ethernet cable [so my lappy can go online if wireless don work] |
| 18:17.58 | sebastian_ | MONO`, But I guess its nothing out of the ordinary.. Just a ordinary store? |
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| 18:18.09 | sebastian_ | MONO`, I see :) |
| 18:18.22 | MONO` | it's like a get-everything-you-could-get-everywhere-else-at-once type thing :) |
| 18:18.57 | peter__ | \amethyst, it dont work |
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| 18:19.22 | sebastian_ | So its quite out of the ordinary... Wish I could live in some kind of "Sweden/netherland/usa" mix country |
| 18:19.47 | Jemt | !repositories |
| 18:19.50 | Jemt | !repository |
| 18:19.50 | dpkg | from memory, debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 18:20.08 | \amethyst | peter__: for the moment.... as root, chown peter /dev/sdb1 |
| 18:20.18 | Jemt | Argh, can't remember where the repository mirror list is located. Could someone please help me ? |
| 18:20.18 | sebastian_ | A Mix of swedens old Socialism, netherlands liberalism and amercas conservatism |
| 18:20.37 | hark | Jemt: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 18:20.42 | sebastian_ | Jemt, What do you mean? |
| 18:20.45 | xembrx | hm |
| 18:21.04 | Jemt | Thanks, HardDisk_WP |
| 18:21.21 | xembrx | I dunno, I think of conservatism and I picture 8 trillion dollar debts now |
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| 18:22.21 | xembrx | but I guess that's a fiscal thing, not a social thing |
| 18:22.26 | peter__ | \amethyst, it still says it cannot mount volume - unable to mount the volume wd usb 2. I pasted to fstab all you said. |
| 18:22.42 | peter__ | \amethyst, but as root I can mount and unmount the drive |
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| 18:23.00 | sebastian_ | xembrx, I meant the good parts from all the countries.. |
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| 18:24.21 | sebastian_ | xembrx, You know.. Americas no. 1 place in new technology and netherlands no. 1 place in alowing people to do what ever they want (do drugs) and Swedens "give every one free hospitalcare" |
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| 18:25.07 | abrotman | stew: you know what's not fun .. when you get ready to go and find somehting about the size of a pencil point through your tire and tube ... |
| 18:25.13 | wols_ | sebastian_: ever heard of tradeoffs? your wish is about as realistic as mine to live in happy pony land |
| 18:25.28 | sebastian_ | wols_, I know.. |
| 18:25.39 | stew | abrotman: i've had 1 flat in 10 years or so |
| 18:26.07 | abrotman | stew: this is my first in quite a while |
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| 18:26.36 | sebastian_ | I want to live as Dr Who.. |
| 18:26.43 | sebastian_ | I wish that was possible.. |
| 18:26.44 | sebastian_ | ^^ |
| 18:27.28 | sebastian_ | Like, lets eat breakfast in 1960's and eat dinner in 2500's |
| 18:27.53 | sebastian_ | and like.. "Why not experience the second world war... " |
| 18:28.06 | sebastian_ | Poof there and poof here |
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| 18:28.13 | simon23 | hi- how can i ceck the vfat (fat32) filesystem of my sdcard (for my mp3 player) ? I tried to just create a new fs with mkfs.vfat and the -c option to check before creating. but this tool just crashed - no error. any other tools available? |
| 18:28.39 | simon23 | (check the Filesystem = check fs for bad blocks) |
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| 18:29.10 | simon23 | can memtest86 check for bad blocks? |
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| 18:29.31 | peter__ | \amethyst, ok, there was wrong few things in usb name. Now it gives me other error "You are not privileged to mount the volume 'WD USB 2'.. I Guess I dont have access rights to do that yes? |
| 18:29.38 | Jemt | Hm, I have started a SSH session with the -X parameter, but it gives me a warning when I try to start an X based application: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display. Do I need something like export DISPLAY=:0 that points to the computer connecting ? |
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| 18:30.38 | beardy | simon23: As in on a harddrive? No.. |
| 18:31.04 | x_link | wols_: Hi, still thre? |
| 18:31.06 | simon23 | beardy: do you know any tools to check a fs for bad blocks? |
| 18:31.35 | beardy | simon23: IIRC there is somethign called 'badblocks', and something else which I don't recall now. |
| 18:31.44 | beardy | !+find badblocks etch |
| 18:31.45 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 18:31.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'badblocks' (3): (/sbin/badblocks) in admin/e2fsprogs ;; (/usr/bin/mbadblocks) in otherosfs/mtools ;; (/usr/share/games/ketm/badblocks.bmp) in games/ketm-data. |
| 18:32.15 | x_link | beardy: Hi, do you have some time over to help me? |
| 18:32.37 | simon23 | beardy: thanks for your help ! (i think i will never learn the irc commands to get help with bots) |
| 18:32.40 | xembrx | w00h00! I got gnash to compile :) |
| 18:32.45 | beardy | x_link: I was just going to eat actually.. ask yur question to the channel and maybe someone will. |
| 18:33.05 | x_link | Okej, but can you tell me when you're back? |
| 18:33.18 | beardy | simon23: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:33.28 | x_link | Before I could just connect my cellphone wit the USB-wire to my computer ad transfer music etc. |
| 18:33.32 | beardy | simon23: Will tell you how to search for packages, and more. |
| 18:33.36 | x_link | But now when I connect my cellphone to my computer and choose Open A New Window I get a error message. |
| 18:33.43 | x_link | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, missing codepage or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so |
| 18:33.45 | simon23 | beardy: thanks.. |
| 18:33.53 | x_link | Can somebody please help me with that? |
| 18:34.22 | beardy | You asked that before, didn't you? |
| 18:34.33 | beardy | Do you have any data on it now? |
| 18:34.38 | beardy | If not, format it. |
| 18:34.39 | wols_ | xlq: it clearly said why it couldm't mount it earlier |
| 18:34.44 | Supaplex | where do I configure safe_asterisk to not run asterisk on tty9? restarting is ok, but I don't want it on tty9 |
| 18:35.01 | x_link | beardy: Take care |
| 18:35.09 | wols_ | 19:18 < x_link> mount: mount point /media/sdb1 does not exist |
| 18:35.20 | x_link | wols_: I must add that line to /etc/fstab? |
| 18:35.24 | x_link | Just a guess.. |
| 18:35.31 | wols_ | guess again |
| 18:35.37 | wols_ | and read the book beardy told you about |
| 18:35.39 | xlq | where do I fit into this? |
| 18:35.45 | wols_ | or /msg dpkg grounding |
| 18:35.52 | x_link | wols_: I think so yeah. |
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| 18:38.34 | x_link | I give up for now. |
| 18:38.34 | maniacxs | hi, has someone tried to use am-utils with ldap? |
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| 18:39.58 | x_link | wols_: Thanks anyway |
| 18:42.37 | Jemt | Can someone help me get X Remoting via SSH work? I connect to the server using 'ssh -X <hostname>'. When I start a program (as root or an ordinary user) I get this error: cannot open display - what's wrong and how do I fix it ? Thanks :) |
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| 18:43.43 | maniacxs | Jemt: You should have in your ssh config file something with ForwardX11 |
| 18:44.07 | Jemt | mandingo: XForwarding is enabled server side :) |
| 18:44.14 | Jemt | mandingo: So that's not the problem |
| 18:44.47 | Jemt | '/etc/ssh/sshd_config' contains 'X11Forwarding yes' |
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| 18:45.33 | maniacxs | Jemt: do you have DISPLAY set to localhost:xx:xx ? |
| 18:45.49 | Jemt | maniacxs: Good question. Let me just check :) |
| 18:45.52 | maniacxs | Jemt: it sets automaticly when connecting |
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| 18:46.36 | Jemt | maniacxs: How do I print the content of DISPLAY ? |
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| 18:46.58 | maniacxs | Jemt: echo $DISPLAY |
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| 18:48.04 | Stolas | Hi, ive a question about IPtables, i want to allow 1 ip on a port, and al other ip's a deny, does someone know how i must do this? |
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| 18:48.58 | ROBOd2 | hello guys |
| 18:49.14 | maniacxs | Jemt: is it set? or empty? |
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| 18:49.39 | ROBOd2 | i have a question ... is there a way to "install" a debian package without overwriting my current version? |
| 18:50.13 | Jemt | maniacxs: Oh, works now :) |
| 18:50.21 | Jemt | maniacxs: I just restarted my SSH session :) |
| 18:50.23 | ROBOd2 | say i have a debian package of firefox 1.5 and 2.0. how do i go about installing the new version without overwriting my previous version? |
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| 18:50.56 | maniacxs | Jemt: ;) |
| 18:50.59 | maniacxs | bye |
| 18:51.13 | ROBOd2 | i want to test the latest vlc 0.9.0 nightly debian package ... and i don't want to overwrite my current stable release of vlc 0.8.6 |
| 18:51.27 | Stolas | Hi, ive a question about IPtables, i want to allow 1 ip on a port, and al other ip's a deny, does someone know how i must do this? |
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| 18:52.35 | robboplus | how do you take privileges in mysql? e.g. DROP |
| 18:52.56 | robboplus | i granted DROP but i would like to take it away from someone now |
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| 18:54.01 | Mitja | robboplus: you might want to ask in #mysql |
| 18:54.36 | Stolas | Hi, ive a question about IPtables, i want to allow 1 ip on a port, and al other ip's a deny, does someone know how i must do this? |
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| 18:58.55 | crescent_ | hi I am trying to install debian etch on my old desktop P3 500 300 MB ram, but after the boot screen I am getting a crc error System halted, I have made an md5sum check it was ok. |
| 18:58.56 | dnanar | hi all ! |
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| 18:59.16 | Gathond | Stolas: iptables is first match decides, so 2 rules, one which allows whatever condition you want allowed and one after that which denies everything |
| 18:59.27 | dnanar | does anyone know how yo only allow root access on an ssh server from only a few ip address please ? |
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| 18:59.55 | Yoluca | hi |
| 18:59.58 | PetaWindows | hi |
| 19:00.01 | crescent_ | Is there a problem with my hardware I really did not get this |
| 19:00.07 | Yoluca | i had a dual boot with windows and ubuntu ... which worked fine since i had to reinstall windows again and now the dual boot menu its gone ... how do i get it back ? |
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| 19:00.22 | sn0 | !restore grub |
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| 19:00.26 | sn0 | !grub |
| 19:00.26 | dpkg | from memory, grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with XFS, or ask me about <grub dvorak>. |
| 19:00.58 | sn0 | hmm must be another bot (ubuntu), Yoluca yes using the install cd or whatever method you installed, you can chroot into the / and reinstall grub |
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| 19:01.11 | Pretor1ab | hello all |
| 19:01.22 | Pretor1ab | my system is almost complete |
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| 19:01.35 | Pretor1ab | i just have one small problem |
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| 19:02.01 | rutski | Does anybody happen to know which package I need to get to have the GLUT and for OpenGL man pages? |
| 19:02.01 | Pretor1ab | i installed zimbra for the thousandth time on debian 4.0 |
| 19:02.14 | PetaWindows | Yoluca: do you have Knoppix or any other live CD ? |
| 19:02.14 | rutski | I've been looking on http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages but I just can't find it |
| 19:02.16 | Stolas | Gathond: something like: "iptables -I INPUT 3 -i eth0 -p tcp --dport PORT -s MYIP -j ACCEPT" i want to be sure about te thing i gonna send in terminal... cause i don't wanna destruct my server :z |
| 19:02.27 | Pretor1ab | now when i restart apache i get the following errorForcing reload of web server (apache2).../usr/sbin/apache2: /opt/zimbra/cyrus-sasl/lib/libsasl2.so.2: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libldap_r.so.2) |
| 19:02.28 | Yoluca | PetaWindows yes |
| 19:02.51 | Pretor1ab | please - can anyone point me in the right direction to resolve this issue |
| 19:02.59 | valdyn | rutski: apt-cache search glut |
| 19:03.12 | Pretor1ab | i do not know enough to diagnose this problem |
| 19:03.36 | PetaWindows | Then... You can star a linux live CD, login as root and, with the chroot command, join in the partiton where you have ubuntu installed |
| 19:03.41 | rutski | valdyn: glut-doc is the only doc package I see there, and it doesn't have any man pages |
| 19:03.53 | Gathond | Stolas: something like that should be good yeah |
| 19:03.57 | PetaWindows | Yoluca: for example: chroot /mnt/hda1 |
| 19:04.20 | valdyn | rutski: they are probably in the glut packages itself |
| 19:04.28 | valdyn | !tell rutski -about search |
| 19:04.36 | Pretor1ab | i tried reinstalling apache and zimbra but still get the same error - i even tried installing slapd/removing it |
| 19:04.48 | PetaWindows | Yoluca: First I think that you have to mount the partition, and then, make the chroot comand |
| 19:05.32 | Stolas | ok Gathond thanx |
| 19:05.54 | PetaWindows | Yoluca: And... when you are in the ubuntu partition by chroot, you only have to make a comand like: grub-install hd0 |
| 19:05.56 | Pretor1ab | anyone looking into me error ? |
| 19:06.23 | Yoluca | PetaWindows ok mate i will have a look . thanks a lot |
| 19:06.34 | Pretor1ab | wols_ are you still here ? |
| 19:06.40 | quad3d | JBD: Failed to read block at offset |
| 19:06.50 | quad3d | EXT3-fs: error loading journal. |
| 19:07.02 | PetaWindows | Yoluca: another thing more easy that you can do...... is, in the ubuntu installer, select the option install grub |
| 19:07.14 | PetaWindows | but in my case, this doesn't work :S |
| 19:08.38 | Pretor1ab | wols_ are you there? its me from earlier |
| 19:09.23 | xerophyte | does anybody know which package has the xfce workspace applet for the panel ? |
| 19:10.38 | Yoluca | PetaWindows will that be save ? |
| 19:10.57 | jelly-home | xerophyte: workspace? you mean the pager thingy? |
| 19:11.20 | xerophyte | jelly-home, yes |
| 19:11.28 | PetaWindows | Yoluca: Probably |
| 19:11.41 | xerophyte | jelly-home, i have works pace setup but i don't how can i add the pager to the panel |
| 19:12.30 | epsilon | I'd like to build new testing PC to install/test various Linux/BSD, should I take ATI or nvidia card? |
| 19:12.44 | valdyn | epsilon: intel |
| 19:12.52 | Yoluca | PetaWindows When at the grub prompt, type find /boot/grub/stage2 or find /boot/grub/stage1 ? |
| 19:13.12 | jelly-home | xerophyte: it comes with xfce4-panel I think |
| 19:13.25 | PetaWindows | Yoluca: why? :S |
| 19:13.41 | epsilon | valdyn: no I want more than onboard, cause I also want to try out Vista/coming Windows server to test in network |
| 19:13.53 | Yoluca | i fallow this http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_restore_GRUB_menu_after_Windows_installation |
| 19:14.14 | jelly-home | xerophyte: do you have Pager in the list of available panel applets? |
| 19:14.17 | PetaWindows | Yoluca: the command to install grub is "grub-install hd0" hd0 or the partition where you have ubuntu (in the grub nomenclature) |
| 19:14.38 | xerophyte | jelly-home thanks i was warching for workspaces :) |
| 19:14.47 | PetaWindows | Yoluca: for exemple if you have ubuntu installed in /mnt/hda1 the grub partition is hd0 |
| 19:15.13 | PetaWindows | Yoluca: ah ok |
| 19:15.22 | Ranpha1 | i have a windows 2000 setup using vmware on debian etch. now after a while internet connection disappears and i can't ping to the outside world. Pinging on debian work perfectly |
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| 19:15.51 | peter__ | Im tried to install compiz on my debian. After that there is msg from terminal "usr/bin/compiz.real: No composite extension. What should I do? |
| 19:15.53 | jelly-home | xerophyte: ah. That thing was called Pager since fvwm1 (like 1996 maybe) |
| 19:16.00 | valdyn | Ranpha1: we cant support vmware, ask the vendor, we can surely not support win2k, ask the vendor |
| 19:16.07 | xerophyte | jelly-home, got it thanks |
| 19:16.11 | PetaWindows | Yoluca: I didn't know that method |
| 19:16.16 | Yoluca | ok |
| 19:17.13 | PetaWindows | Yoluca: It seems to be easy |
| 19:17.21 | PetaWindows | Yoluca: the method you shown me |
| 19:17.30 | Yoluca | yeah |
| 19:17.34 | Ranpha1 | valdyn i know i rather go to emu but for some reason no windows will install with me....thanks anyway...i hate winblows really i just need it for a few apps which hasn't got linux support... |
| 19:17.44 | valdyn | the willingness and motivation to try useless beta glitter software seems to be reversed propertional to linux knowledge =/ |
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| 19:17.48 | Booooi | hi guys |
| 19:17.59 | Booooi | i hope someone could help me answer a question |
| 19:18.01 | hark | !wikifaq peter__ Compiz |
| 19:18.01 | dpkg | peter__: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
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| 19:18.13 | Booooi | what is the easiest way to add another ip of debian 4.0? |
| 19:18.24 | Booooi | permenantly |
| 19:18.44 | hark | peter__: ah, if you're using fglrx drivers, that's why |
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| 19:18.56 | valdyn | Booooi: man interfaces, you add an interface like eth0:x |
| 19:18.56 | peter__ | hark, yes |
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| 19:19.47 | PetaWindows | !faq |
| 19:19.47 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC |
| 19:19.54 | PetaWindows | !faq lenny |
| 19:19.55 | dpkg | lenny: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:20.00 | hark | peter__: you'll need Xgl then for that, which is not in Debian. |
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| 19:20.25 | peter__ | hark even in lenny ? |
| 19:20.33 | valdyn | someone 'ported' beryl to fglrx, as far as i know, but i doubt its ready |
| 19:20.39 | PetaWindows | hark: I'm not sure but I think that now in the testing version of debian you only need to install the compiz package |
| 19:20.57 | linux_jones | i just got an older computer from a friend, and it has a really strange miuse, i was wondering if debian supports it |
| 19:21.12 | hark | if you've got a supported card, sure |
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| 19:22.46 | tarzeau | how can i check the expiration date of say: http://nic.phys.ethz.ch/ca.crt ? |
| 19:23.35 | valdyn | tarzeau: you load it with a webbrowser? |
| 19:23.42 | Gathond | tarzeau: your browser should have some way to provide the certificate info |
| 19:23.44 | hark | peter__: the radeon driver supports the X700, so you can use it instead. |
| 19:23.45 | tarzeau | ah and check it in the certificat viewer |
| 19:23.52 | Gathond | tarzeau: usually clicking the lock icon does the trick |
| 19:23.57 | tarzeau | Gathond: it does, thanks. but i was using it in thunderbird |
| 19:24.11 | valdyn | tarzeau: ephphany shows it as soon as i hit 'Connect' |
| 19:24.17 | tarzeau | thanks |
| 19:24.40 | epsilon | openssl x509 -text -in ca.crt |
| 19:24.42 | unlink | wajig upgrade module-init-tools has wanted to remove modutils for about a month now (unstable/amd64)... what does this mean? |
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| 19:24.51 | Nyle | tarzeau: it expires tuesday april 12th |
| 19:25.03 | Nyle | 10:20:01 2011 |
| 19:25.04 | tarzeau | Nyle: of what year? |
| 19:25.08 | tarzeau | damn |
| 19:25.09 | valdyn | unlink: just do it. |
| 19:25.19 | tarzeau | Nyle: oh so i should reimport the one from there? |
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| 19:25.26 | Nyle | if you want to |
| 19:25.39 | Pretor1ab | hello guys - i think i need to file a complaint or bug |
| 19:25.40 | Nyle | heh wajig |
| 19:25.45 | valdyn | unlink: i dont really get how you ever had modutils installed on debian/amd64 |
| 19:25.47 | Nyle | long time no use |
| 19:25.52 | xerophyte | if i want to install thunderbird 2.x how can i install ... when i say apt-get install thunderbird i only get 1.5 .. |
| 19:25.57 | Nyle | !tell Pretor1ab -about reportbug |
| 19:26.02 | Pretor1ab | nope let me retract that last |
| 19:26.13 | Pretor1ab | i just need some help |
| 19:26.17 | Pretor1ab | i am almost there |
| 19:26.21 | valdyn | unlink: These utilities are intended to make a Linux modular 2.2 or 2.4 |
| 19:26.45 | Nyle | tarzeau: From Sat Apr 14 10:20:01 2001 to Tue Apr 12 10:20:01 2011 |
| 19:27.10 | tarzeau | epsilon: oh thanks |
| 19:27.14 | Booooi | thanks |
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| 19:27.38 | Booooi | how do i reload network changes, after i made changes to /etc/network/interfaces please? |
| 19:28.00 | Nyle | Booooi: sudo ifdown ethX && sudo ifup ethX |
| 19:28.04 | valdyn | Booooi: '/etc/init.d/networking restart' |
| 19:28.09 | Nyle | oh or that |
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| 19:28.20 | Nyle | didn't know you could do it through initd |
| 19:29.07 | jakub_ | Failed to open rtsp://a626.l37286None.c37286.g.lq.akamaistream.net/7/626/37286/v0001/msnent.download.akamai.com/8725/songcontent/published/Video/controlroom/liveearth/live/qt/sdp/primary/US.sdp. |
| 19:29.11 | jakub_ | hmm please i need to play this |
| 19:29.16 | jakub_ | but i dont know how |
| 19:29.32 | wols_ | try vlc |
| 19:29.38 | jakub_ | it have problemse |
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| 19:29.48 | jakub_ | SIGSERV - wrong acess to memory |
| 19:29.48 | Supaplex | or mplayer |
| 19:29.53 | jakub_ | mplayer is this what i said |
| 19:29.57 | jakub_ | it print that |
| 19:29.58 | wols_ | jakub_: what debian branch? |
| 19:30.03 | jakub_ | unstable |
| 19:30.13 | wols_ | jakub_: then you are on your own. you know how to fix your own bugs |
| 19:30.18 | jakub_ | vlc play it but only for 3 - 4 seconds |
| 19:30.25 | Nyle | ooooh damn |
| 19:30.29 | Nyle | burned |
| 19:30.30 | jakub_ | my own bugs ? |
| 19:30.33 | Supaplex | !btssmite jakub_ |
| 19:30.38 | wols_ | jakub_: the bugs on your own system, yes |
| 19:30.47 | jakub_ | i dont have bugs |
| 19:30.50 | wols_ | jakub_: you chose unstable, you know it will break. you fix it |
| 19:30.56 | jakub_ | :| |
| 19:31.01 | Nyle | !sid faq |
| 19:31.02 | dpkg | i heard sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 19:31.05 | jakub_ | okay i have stable what i must do with it ?:-D |
| 19:31.07 | wols_ | a SIGSEGV pretty damn sounds like a bug to me |
| 19:31.07 | hark | valdyn: interesting, it dosen't support/use texture_from_pixmap,but some copy method which beryl supports. Also didn't know that the latest drivers support composite with dri as well |
| 19:31.15 | jakub_ | yeah |
| 19:31.19 | wols_ | jakub_: welcome to my ignore list for lying |
| 19:31.22 | epsilon | jakub_: is the streaming working in first place? my mplayer complains with server error |
| 19:31.37 | jakub_ | yes |
| 19:31.38 | Nyle | I'm on stable, letme check this url |
| 19:31.40 | jakub_ | me too |
| 19:31.45 | jakub_ | mplayer says server error |
| 19:31.51 | jakub_ | vlc plays it but with SIGSEGV |
| 19:32.04 | Supaplex | !gdb |
| 19:32.04 | dpkg | [gdb] gnu debugger |
| 19:32.05 | epsilon | well if the server is not streaming... |
| 19:32.10 | wols_ | interesting definition of "plays it" |
| 19:32.32 | jakub_ | i download new version of vlc |
| 19:32.41 | Nyle | Initiated "video/H264" |
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| 19:33.21 | Nyle | demux_rtp: Failed to guess the video frame rate |
| 19:33.21 | Nyle | VIDEO: [H264] 0x0 0bpp 0.000 fps 0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s) |
| 19:33.21 | Nyle | I have almost every single codec on my system |
| 19:33.29 | valdyn | Nyle: tried somaplayer yet? |
| 19:33.33 | Nyle | nope |
| 19:33.36 | Nyle | never even heard of it |
| 19:33.48 | jakub_ | hmm |
| 19:33.51 | jakub_ | microsoft did it |
| 19:33.55 | jakub_ | i know where is problem |
| 19:33.57 | Jemt | Argh! Why on earth can't I change the root password on MySQL 5 (etch) ? I can still connect using 'mysql -u root' - I'm not being prompted for a password :-S |
| 19:34.18 | Jemt | It just gives me full root access.. |
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| 19:34.56 | Nyle | Jemt: mysql -u root, at the mysql> type set password = password("newpasshere"); |
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| 19:35.18 | Nyle | Jemt: or if you are a gui person just use mysql-admin |
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| 19:35.26 | Nyle | gtk2 based mysql configurator |
| 19:35.27 | fasta | How can I start a program in the shell and terminate the shell immediately? |
| 19:35.36 | epsilon | Jemt: set password and reload the privilages |
| 19:35.50 | jakub_ | on VLC new it works |
| 19:35.51 | jakub_ | :-) |
| 19:35.53 | jakub_ | without sigsegv |
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| 19:36.28 | Jemt | epsilon: Oh - I have to reload privileges ? |
| 19:36.31 | Jemt | That explains it :) |
| 19:36.33 | Jemt | Nyle: Thanks |
| 19:36.52 | jakub_ | pomtidom |
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| 19:38.07 | jakub_ | yeah |
| 19:38.13 | jakub_ | i want to buy zune and microsoft windows system |
| 19:38.19 | epsilon | Jemt: yes, by editing the user/password, you just change value in one db. you must "tell" mysql to load this table to make it work |
| 19:39.23 | Pretor1ab | if i run etch can i use sarge repositories ? |
| 19:39.50 | kalashari | hi ppl, I have a question about 'top' command... Is it 100 % accurate... it says that almost all of my 192 MB of RAM is used.... but I dont see how is it possible.... |
| 19:39.51 | valdyn | fasta: 'nohup program & exit' |
| 19:40.22 | valdyn | kalashari: that part is very accurate |
| 19:40.26 | valdyn | !free ram |
| 19:40.27 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 19:40.46 | kalashari | I have several mysqld instances, one lighttpd and 2 php cgi proccesses + bunch of others that take a little memory |
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| 19:41.55 | Supaplex | mysql threads hang out for a while |
| 19:42.02 | simonrvn | kalashari: read what valdyn made the bot say ^^^ |
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| 19:42.23 | peter__ | hark, http://pastebin.com/943944 - error apperas, and there are no top tabs with minimalize, maximalize and close. |
| 19:43.38 | peter__ | hark, try this one http://pastebin.ca/607637 :) |
| 19:43.42 | kalashari | ok I pasted my output in #flood |
| 19:44.17 | kalashari | just the memory part of top. |
| 19:44.50 | simonrvn | Pretor1ab: why would you? the sarge software is not going to be updated, and in about a year, not available through ordinary means |
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| 19:45.23 | Pretor1ab | i just need to resolv an issue that is between apache2 libldap and libsasl |
| 19:45.30 | simonrvn | kalashari: and no, top isn't very accurate with some stuff, it's a better tool to see what's going on |
| 19:45.32 | fasta | valdyn: that doesn't work in gnome-terminal. I want that the terminal window gets closed. |
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| 19:45.47 | stoned | simonrvn: you my bro man whats up |
| 19:45.48 | valdyn | fasta: why wouldnt it work in a gnome terminal? |
| 19:45.53 | stoned | konichiwa |
| 19:45.55 | stoned | ehehe |
| 19:45.57 | valdyn | fasta: im sure it works in a gnome terminal |
| 19:46.03 | simonrvn | stoned: hey guy. the sky is. |
| 19:46.19 | simonrvn | kwe kwe, or kwe, in these parts =) |
| 19:46.23 | stoned | ahh |
| 19:46.25 | stoned | kwe kwe |
| 19:46.31 | stoned | thats cute |
| 19:46.33 | stoned | kwe hehe |
| 19:46.43 | kalashari | does "SHR" stand for how much a process takes in memory ? |
| 19:46.46 | simonrvn | means "hi, hello" |
| 19:46.53 | simonrvn | shared memory |
| 19:46.54 | Pretor1ab | simonrvn when i try to restart apache2 it give me this error "Forcing reload of web server (apache2).../usr/sbin/apache2: /opt/zimbra/cyrus-sasl/lib/libsasl2.so.2: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libldap_r.so.2) |
| 19:47.02 | kalashari | yes |
| 19:47.06 | Pretor1ab | can anoyone help pls ** |
| 19:47.16 | valdyn | kalashari: _that_ part is inaccurate |
| 19:47.26 | valdyn | kalashari: just total memory usage is accurate |
| 19:47.37 | simonrvn | the shared mem size is bigger than what it says |
| 19:47.42 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 19:48.07 | fasta | valdyn: LC_ALL=C nohup ls & exit -> [1] 5327 \n zsh: you have running jobs. \n $ nohup: appending output to `nohup.out' |
| 19:48.07 | valdyn | ... and 'virt' about pointless |
| 19:48.10 | Supaplex | Pretor1ab: that's not a debian product (zimbra) - contact the vendor. |
| 19:48.23 | kalashari | so how do I find out EXACTLY how much each mysqld process takes ? |
| 19:48.31 | Pretor1ab | no but its apache2 with the error |
| 19:48.34 | valdyn | fasta: i was assuminng you use bash |
| 19:48.41 | simonrvn | tot mem is the accurate one, like valdyn said |
| 19:48.44 | valdyn | fasta: i dont know the equivalent of & in zsh |
| 19:48.51 | Pretor1ab | zimbra throws no errors and works fine |
| 19:49.20 | Supaplex | Pretor1ab: does apache restart? |
| 19:49.20 | fasta | valdyn: ok, I will use bash. |
| 19:49.28 | simonrvn | er, RES |
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| 19:49.46 | RLa | hey |
| 19:49.48 | developement | hi sir or madam.. |
| 19:49.54 | developement | i have this problem.. |
| 19:50.00 | Supaplex | !tell developement -about ask |
| 19:50.01 | Pretor1ab | yes but with errors |
| 19:50.02 | RLa | i have problem too |
| 19:50.03 | Pretor1ab | as i mentioned |
| 19:50.07 | valdyn | kalashari: you dont |
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| 19:50.24 | developement | --=[root@PaTaTiNa]~[21:42:43]~[/var/www]=-- |
| 19:50.24 | developement | --=[#] mkdir cuoricino |
| 19:50.24 | developement | mkdir: impossibile creare la directory `cuoricino': No space left on device |
| 19:50.36 | RLa | i have usb disk (hdd in special box with usb connection) |
| 19:50.36 | developement | impossibol to create a folder |
| 19:50.39 | ricky | Well then.. |
| 19:50.40 | Pretor1ab | Supaplex so if i remove zimbra and then check for the error perhaps |
| 19:50.41 | Supaplex | Pretor1ab: then they're warnings. if it fails to start, then its an error. /opt/zimbra* is the thing with NO version information. |
| 19:50.53 | ricky | developement: Perhaps the partition is full? |
| 19:50.54 | RLa | but the disk does not want to spin down |
| 19:50.59 | Pretor1ab | ok Supaplex i see what you are saying |
| 19:51.03 | RLa | is this possible at all? |
| 19:51.06 | Pretor1ab | SubStack thanks |
| 19:51.22 | Supaplex | developement: you're out of disk space. df -h . |
| 19:51.25 | developement | /dev/hda3 9,4G 9,4G 0 100% /var |
| 19:51.31 | RLa | developement, you hard disk is full isn't it? |
| 19:51.35 | Jemt | Hm, still can't connect to my MySQL server. I have even created a new user, granted him ALL PRIVILEGES on '%' - the exact syntax I used: GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* to 'jemt'@'%' IDENTIFIED BY 'myPassword' - Do I need to change some settings to be able to connect remotely ? |
| 19:51.40 | developement | used 100% how i can expand ? |
| 19:51.54 | fasta | valdyn: right, that works indeed. |
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| 19:52.00 | RLa | what you have in /var? |
| 19:52.01 | valdyn | developement: run apt-get clean |
| 19:52.02 | Supaplex | Jemt: /etc/init.d/mysql-server reload? |
| 19:52.15 | ricky | developement: apt-get clean all should help a bit. |
| 19:52.27 | karmatronic | anyone knows a band-in-a-box substitute for linux ? |
| 19:52.33 | developement | you are very wonderfull! |
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| 19:52.48 | Jemt | Supaplex: /etc/init.d/mysql restart dosn't do the trick, no :-S |
| 19:52.49 | Supaplex | developement: and delete any other clutter you don't need :) |
| 19:52.57 | eth01 | debian comes with a GUI right? |
| 19:53.00 | valdyn | fasta: any particular reaso nwhy you used zsh btw? i thought you were new to all this ( and no reason to change the default.. ) |
| 19:53.03 | eth01 | I don't know :( |
| 19:53.09 | Supaplex | Jemt: is jemt in the user table to? |
| 19:53.41 | developement | /dev/hda3 9,4G 8,8G 134M 99% /var |
| 19:53.45 | developement | hmm 99% |
| 19:53.46 | developement | uff |
| 19:53.52 | Jemt | Supaplex: Yes, it is added when you do the GRANT statement :) |
| 19:54.06 | valdyn | developement: how did you fill your /var? with what? |
| 19:54.20 | developement | or better valdyn? |
| 19:54.21 | Supaplex | Jemt: odd. I had to add 'mysql_replication' user by hand just last night, even with a grant. |
| 19:54.29 | zicho | Hello |
| 19:54.35 | ricky | Hi! |
| 19:54.44 | valdyn | developement: anything above ~95% is very bad |
| 19:54.53 | Jemt | Supaplex: Yes, that is weird. But my user is showing in mysql.user |
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| 19:55.03 | ricky | Which is why I use LVM... |
| 19:55.04 | Supaplex | eth01: tasksel |
| 19:55.21 | zicho | which Desktop Managers do you run? Or window managers? |
| 19:55.28 | Jemt | Supaplex: I'm actually unsure whether it is a firewall problem - I don't get a "Wrong password" warning but a "Couldn't connect" warning |
| 19:55.37 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: as a rule of the thumb, even 90% can be very bad |
| 19:55.42 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: ops |
| 19:55.52 | valdyn | developement: ^^^ |
| 19:55.55 | eth01 | there is 1 iso right? |
| 19:56.00 | simonrvn | zicho: currently gdm, and openbox3 from their site (they have i386 .debs there) |
| 19:56.04 | Supaplex | Jemt: connection timeout, or connection refused, or cannot login using password: yes/no ? |
| 19:56.06 | Pretor1ab | Supaplex you are right i removed zimbra and the error is gone |
| 19:56.07 | developement | :S |
| 19:56.12 | developement | my god uff :° |
| 19:56.14 | un1xer | Hi, how do i create a floppy with madwifi driver so etch can recognize my atheros wifi card at install time? |
| 19:56.18 | Supaplex | !tell eth01 -about netinst |
| 19:56.32 | Jemt | Supaplex: ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on '62.66.193.126' (111) |
| 19:56.32 | eth01 | k thx |
| 19:56.44 | valdyn | un1xer: cant you use the first cdrom for installation instead of netinstall? |
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| 19:56.45 | fasta | valdyn: I am using zsh for some time, because it's completion worked better. |
| 19:57.00 | Supaplex | Jemt: try netcat. nc -v 62.66.193.126 mysql |
| 19:57.04 | fasta | valdyn: but that might be ignorance. |
| 19:57.09 | Jemt | Supaplex: Okay :) |
| 19:57.16 | valdyn | fasta: ah, you need to uncomment something for advanced completion in bash |
| 19:57.27 | fasta | valdyn: e.g. when I do darcs <TAB> I get a list of commands for darcs |
| 19:57.31 | un1xer | valdyn: Well, yes, i guess so, why? |
| 19:57.38 | Supaplex | un1xer: #debian-boot might know |
| 19:57.44 | eth01 | okay is netinst stable? |
| 19:57.45 | fasta | valdyn: I believe similar things exist for apt-get |
| 19:57.55 | valdyn | fasta: for many programs yes |
| 19:57.57 | fasta | valdyn: the accumulation of such features make up a new user-experience. |
| 19:58.10 | Jemt | Supaplex: That syntax dosn't work |
| 19:58.13 | fasta | valdyn: If there is something similar for bash, I am all ears. |
| 19:58.17 | valdyn | fasta: edit your ~/.bashrc |
| 19:58.22 | Jemt | Supaplex: Woops |
| 19:58.29 | valdyn | fasta: there's a few lines about completion in there |
| 19:58.38 | Jemt | Supaplex: This is what I get : nc: forward host lookup failed: Unknown host |
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| 19:58.45 | simonrvn | fasta: the completions are in /usr/share/zsh*; there's a bunch in there that debian and other people have added |
| 19:58.57 | valdyn | fasta: or /etc/bash.bashrc to change it globally |
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| 19:59.17 | fasta | valdyn: in my .bashrc there is no such uncommented option. |
| 19:59.29 | fasta | valdyn: but the manpage probably contains it. |
| 19:59.37 | valdyn | fasta: no, not in the manpage |
| 19:59.45 | valdyn | fasta: pastebin your ~/.bashrc |
| 20:00.02 | Jemt | Supaplex: The Apache server works great though - so the server is available |
| 20:00.07 | adv0cate | un1xer: I've not had much luck building modules out of the kernel tree for debian-installer kernels. |
| 20:00.07 | Jemt | At least on port 80 :) |
| 20:00.19 | Jemt | Supaplex: Port 3306 should be open too |
| 20:00.34 | Supaplex | Jemt: grep mysql /etc/services, and use say nc -vn 62.66.193.126 3306 |
| 20:00.44 | Jemt | Jemt: :) |
| 20:00.49 | Supaplex | Jemt: I get (UNKNOWN) [62.66.193.126] 3306 (mysql) : Connection refused |
| 20:00.55 | Jemt | Hmm |
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| 20:01.07 | Jemt | Supaplex: Would that suggest firewall issues ? |
| 20:01.11 | Supaplex | Jemt: double check /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 20:01.20 | Jemt | Supaplex: What am I looking for ? |
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| 20:01.27 | Supaplex | 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:01.34 | Jemt | Ok |
| 20:01.45 | Jemt | bind-address is 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:01.52 | Supaplex | Jemt: do you have a conf.d ? |
| 20:01.52 | fasta | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/32235 |
| 20:02.10 | un1xer | adv0cate: i manage to build it and it works fine, but i need to know how to put it on a floppy so the card gets recognized at install time! |
| 20:02.19 | valdyn | fasta: that doesnt look like a debian .bashrc |
| 20:02.29 | valdyn | fasta: i'll add the complete lines |
| 20:02.36 | Jemt | Supaplex: Hm, not anymore. I'm pretty sure it was there earlier today |
| 20:02.43 | fasta | valdyn: you mean there is one for "new users" |
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| 20:02.58 | valdyn | fasta: right, in /etc/skel/ |
| 20:03.03 | Supaplex | Jemt: egrep '127.0.0.1|^.mysqld.$' /etc/mysql/my.cnf | sed s/127.0.0.1/0.0.0.0/ | tee /etc/mysql/conf.d/bind-address.conf |
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| 20:03.10 | fasta | valdyn: it has been years, since I first used bash, so that might explain it. |
| 20:03.16 | Supaplex | Jemt: off the top of my head. :P I did this yesterday to. hehe. |
| 20:03.25 | Jemt | Supaplex: Wow - what does it do ? |
| 20:03.32 | adv0cate | un1xer: if you successfully built a custom d-i why didn't you include the madwifi at that time? |
| 20:03.48 | fasta | valdyn: that directory is empty here. |
| 20:03.48 | Supaplex | Jemt: creates a new config snippet, so mysql upgrades won't walk all over you |
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| 20:03.51 | valdyn | fasta: yea |
| 20:03.54 | valdyn | fasta: uh |
| 20:04.04 | valdyn | fasta: ls -a |
| 20:04.07 | valdyn | fasta: its all dotfiles |
| 20:04.19 | fasta | valdyn: right, as I said, not empty |
| 20:04.25 | Jemt | Supaplex: Oh, I see :) |
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| 20:04.44 | valdyn | fasta: http://paste.debian.net/32236, added the completion stuff |
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| 20:05.10 | Jemt | Supaplex: Would that solve my problem ? |
| 20:05.35 | un1xer | adv0cate: i needed to do a format, so all i need is the module on a floppy so when the installer asks for it. |
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| 20:05.53 | Supaplex | Jemt: it allowed my sql master to replicate to slaves. they're all happy. |
| 20:06.22 | hark | peter__: fixed it? |
| 20:06.27 | Supaplex | eth01: your hdd is win32 specific? is that why you chose ntfs? ;) as if a hdd was like a winmodem. oops? |
| 20:06.36 | Jemt | Supaplex: Can I fix the problem by copying around files and modify them by hand ? I don't understand the command you pasted to me |
| 20:06.43 | adv0cate | un1xer: more to the point... you'll need the source tree for the di kernel, named similar to linux-kernel-2.6.18-di, to build the module against. Once the module is built you can put it on any medium you like and load it from another tty once the installer has booted--though that's not the official debian way. |
| 20:06.57 | fasta | valdyn: any command to test it with? |
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| 20:07.34 | peter__ | hark, unfortunatly... meaby its old fglrx drivers foult |
| 20:07.49 | Supaplex | Jemt: yea. conf.d needs a file with "[mysqld]" followed by a "bind-address=0.0.0.0" or the like. |
| 20:07.50 | un1xer | adv0cate: so, all i need is to put the module i built in the floppy and thats all? |
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| 20:08.14 | valdyn | fasta: ls /etc/bash_completion.d/ and some things are stuffed together in /etc/bash_completion |
| 20:08.14 | scummos | hi all... i have the following problem: when starting graphical debian installations, the buttons of my mouse are kind of swapped... when moving the mouse up / down it clicks, when clicking it moves right... |
| 20:08.27 | Supaplex | un1xer: you'll want expert mode durring install. |
| 20:08.45 | adv0cate | un1xer: unofficially, yes. wait for the installer to boot, switch to tty2, mount the floppy, modprobe the module, unmount the floppy, and then switch back to the installer on tty1 |
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| 20:09.05 | scummos | the same problem occurs on suse when updateing to the newest suse-kernel... with the older kernel and my self-compiled one it works properly. is there any chance to use another kernel with debian? |
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| 20:09.40 | fasta | valdyn: heh, it appears the bash completion for darcs is smarter than zsh's. |
| 20:09.41 | un1xer | adv0cate: and if i give it when the installer asks for it, will it work? |
| 20:09.51 | fasta | valdyn: thanks |
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| 20:10.06 | hark | peter__: try with "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib compiz --replace" |
| 20:10.14 | Supaplex | Jemt: http://rafb.net/p/k5R3Gt64.html |
| 20:10.18 | valdyn | fasta: welcome |
| 20:10.28 | peter__ | hark, just type it in console ? |
| 20:10.31 | Jemt | Supaplex: Oh, okay. Thanks - I'll give it a go :) |
| 20:11.00 | adv0cate | un1xer: only if you've done things the official debian way and made a kernel module package for it (I forget what the actual term is for "debian kernel module package"). Does madwifi need any sort of firmware files available? The debian kernel module packaging system might include that, or you may have to manually place those in /lib/firmware on the virtual fs the installer creates. |
| 20:11.02 | Supaplex | Jemt: and since the socket address changes, reload isn't enough. you'll need a restart. |
| 20:11.18 | hark | peter__: yes |
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| 20:11.39 | valdyn | peter__: compiz does not work on fglrx, didnt someone already say that? |
| 20:11.40 | Jemt | Supaplex: A complete restart of the server (machine) ? |
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| 20:11.47 | Supaplex | Jemt: only mysql |
| 20:11.48 | Jemt | Supaplex: As in 'reboot' <enter> |
| 20:11.51 | Jemt | Ah, okay |
| 20:11.53 | Supaplex | !reboot |
| 20:11.53 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 20:11.53 | peter__ | valdyn, not, why it dosent work ? |
| 20:11.54 | Jemt | Supaplex: Thanks :) |
| 20:11.57 | hark | peter__: or "LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa compiz --replace" |
| 20:12.06 | peter__ | valdyn, is it connected with AIXGL or XGL ? |
| 20:12.14 | wols_ | peter__: cause fglrx never ever supported AIGLX |
| 20:12.22 | valdyn | oh you actually got xgl to run? |
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| 20:12.33 | hark | peter__: you're using xgl right? |
| 20:12.41 | Jemt | Supaplex: Wohoo - problem solved! Man you are great. Thank you SO much - you really saved the day for me :D |
| 20:12.52 | valdyn | hark: if you didnt set it up for him... no way |
| 20:13.04 | Supaplex | Jemt: np |
| 20:13.06 | peter__ | hark, I add composite to section extensions. Im running fglrx on x700 mobility |
| 20:13.23 | peter__ | hark, I follow the howto xgl+compiz |
| 20:13.25 | wols_ | peter__: that's not XGL |
| 20:13.31 | hark | oh, peter__ then no |
| 20:14.02 | wols_ | adv0cate: yes it needs firmware and no the debian packaging system doesn't include it |
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| 20:14.08 | peter__ | hark, so compiz wont run ? |
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| 20:14.42 | hark | peter__: why not try the radeon driver? |
| 20:14.46 | hacosta | is there a way to tell debian to "upgrade" packages even if the repository version of the package is lower? |
| 20:14.47 | un1xer | adv0cate: well, that's way over my knowledge, i thought all it was needed was the *.ko file and that was it! |
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| 20:14.58 | valdyn | !downgrade |
| 20:14.58 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 20:15.06 | peter__ | hark, x700 isnt supported by radeon ? |
| 20:15.10 | adv0cate | wols_: that's what I had suspected. It took quite a bit of extra effort and research for me to build a zd1211rw capable d-i, and even a little bit more to actually make it work. |
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| 20:15.40 | hacosta | so say if i upgraded to unstable there's no going back to stable |
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| 20:16.01 | Supaplex | hacosta: correct. consider a debootstrap chroot install. |
| 20:16.10 | hacosta | kk (:\ |
| 20:16.16 | adv0cate | un1xer: for the most part, if the stock d-i (businesscard, netinstall, or cd/dvd media) doesn't work for you, then you're facing a moderately difficult learning curve to successfully creating a custom one. |
| 20:16.18 | aeshyamae | is ati radeon rc410 having any free software driver?if its not having any will compiz or beryl work without its propreitory driver? |
| 20:16.32 | hark | peter__: it is afaik. check man radeon |
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| 20:16.56 | adv0cate | un1xer: if you'd like to take it to a side channel I could help walk you through it--assuming you have the time for it. I've had too much coffee to want to work on my own development work for a few more hours. |
| 20:17.08 | peter__ | hark, :) have you read man radeon ? |
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| 20:17.33 | adv0cate | unless the channel devs prefer that such a process be discussed in the midst of general channel traffic for posterity and documentation sake--though I can't promise that I'll be 100% Debian Way compliant. |
| 20:17.48 | hark | peter__: yes (RV410 Radeon X700, M26 PCIE) |
| 20:17.50 | peter__ | hark, it works 3d only, whatever it means, it dont works on my x700 mobility |
| 20:17.55 | peter__ | 2d* |
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| 20:18.51 | un1xer | adv0cate: i understand, thank you for your time, i appreciate your offer but i have to run, you have been very helpful! :) |
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| 20:19.18 | peter__ | hark, valdyn , wols_ so, compiz dont work with fglrx because it dont support xgl and aixgl ? |
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| 20:19.41 | eth01 | apititude install kde-desktop ? |
| 20:19.56 | adv0cate | un1xer; should you want to try your hand at it sometime in the future there is a FAQ on Debian.org for that sort of thing, though it takes plenty of your own effort to piece it all together. Google also helps with "debian installer custom kernel" |
| 20:20.17 | Azar | eth01: apt-cache search kde << shows you the exact name of the package, aptitude install <package> |
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| 20:20.27 | adv0cate | FAQ/HOWTO |
| 20:20.34 | eth01 | Azar: Thank you, very much :) |
| 20:20.55 | un1xer | adv0cate: Much appreciated, thank you. |
| 20:21.09 | peter__ | hark, on Debian compiz + AIGLX Howto, it says "ATI Radeon cards up to X800 series". "On other cards, Compiz would need Xgl". |
| 20:21.58 | hark | peter__: yes, 3d is supported |
| 20:22.10 | magyar | after last nights update, aptitude is dead , amarock wont play mp3. The quality of testing for package release are excelent (Lenny) |
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| 20:22.25 | Sweetandy | In Blackbox, is there a way to modifty the menu without messing with Debian's menu? |
| 20:23.27 | adv0cate | Sweetandy: the man page for "update-menus" and the docs in /usr/share for the same are fairly comprehensive on that topic. |
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| 20:24.45 | Azar | Sweetandy: I guess blackbox (like openbox that I use) gets the menus from Debian |
| 20:25.19 | Sweetandy | Azar, Indeed |
| 20:25.23 | Sweetandy | adv0cate, thanks |
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| 20:25.52 | peter__ | hark, :) thanks anyway ;> I see that it would be better if I first read about xgl, aixgl ;) |
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| 20:31.35 | peter__ | hark, ATI: Radeon 8500 through X850 with the closed fglrx driver. Uses an ancient version of the DRI driver API that can't work with the new driver loader. No ETA on closed driver support. :) |
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| 20:32.20 | |MaX| | fr chfr channel ? |
| 20:33.49 | wols_ | !fr |
| 20:33.49 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:34.03 | |MaX| | thx |
| 20:34.40 | |MaX| | i can speak english :p |
| 20:34.42 | |MaX| | so ;) |
| 20:35.03 | developement | !it |
| 20:35.03 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 20:35.04 | |MaX| | i install mail server i have error |
| 20:35.21 | |MaX| | Jul 7 22:26:45 spin-waves courierpop3login: Connection, ip=[::ffff: |
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| 20:35.33 | |MaX| | ul 7 22:26:45 spin-waves courierpop3login: chdir maxb@spin-waves.com/: No such file or directory |
| 20:36.02 | wols_ | nevyn: have you run maildirmake? |
| 20:36.12 | wols_ | |MaX|: ^^ |
| 20:37.32 | |MaX| | i use postfixadmin |
| 20:37.56 | wols_ | !info postfixadmin etch |
| 20:38.03 | wols_ | !+info postfixadmin etch |
| 20:38.05 | dpkg | Package 'postfixadmin' does not exist. |
| 20:38.13 | |MaX| | !info postfix.admin |
| 20:38.14 | |MaX| | ? |
| 20:38.14 | |MaX| | :p |
| 20:38.16 | wols_ | then ask the postfixadmin guy and not us. it's not part of debian |
| 20:38.38 | jwisher | I have a dedciated server with 1&1, they assign ip addresses via dhcp. I ordered a second ip address. I changed one line to 'auto lo eth0 eth0:0' and added the link 'iface eth0:0 inet dhcp' to /etc/network/interfaces, then i /etc/init.d/networking restart, but still no extra interface, any ideas? |
| 20:38.49 | jwisher | line* |
| 20:39.01 | |MaX| | http://sourceforge.net/projects/postfixadmin/ |
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| 20:39.31 | |MaX| | postfix admin is for all .. |
| 20:39.42 | wols_ | |MaX|: it's not debian |
| 20:39.54 | \amethyst | |MaX|: right, but #debian isn't the place to get help with it |
| 20:39.56 | |MaX| | u can t help me :-s |
| 20:40.01 | |MaX| | oki :p |
| 20:40.13 | hark | peter__: ha, their latest drivers only support the 9500 and up now iirc |
| 20:40.35 | wols_ | hark: not exactly "latest" they're doing this since last autumn, since xorg7.0 or so |
| 20:40.35 | \amethyst | jwisher: how is it supposed to figure out which interface gets which IP address? |
| 20:41.05 | peter__ | hark, so it wont work on my fglrx ;/ |
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| 20:41.08 | |MaX| | who us postfix admin ? :p |
| 20:41.48 | wols_ | !tell |MaX| about poll |
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| 20:42.52 | hark | peter__: if you want it to work with fglrx, you'll just have to use it with Xgl. |
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| 20:43.03 | \amethyst | |MaX|: have you tried the postfix admin forums? |
| 20:43.25 | wols_ | jwisher: try /sbin/ifup eth0:0 |
| 20:43.33 | Bac9 | is there a daemonized version of a bittorrent client (i.e. where a daemon runs and you can use a client to connect to it to control it)? |
| 20:43.44 | wols_ | Bac9: yes |
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| 20:43.54 | Bac9 | wols_: what's it called? |
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| 20:44.19 | clahey | Can anyone here explain the current debian naming scheme? |
| 20:44.27 | clahey | Or is there a page somewhere to describe it? |
| 20:44.39 | wols_ | clahey: characters from toy story |
| 20:44.44 | psnl | clahey: what, woody etch lenny? |
| 20:44.54 | peter__ | hark, do you have some howto ? |
| 20:44.55 | wols_ | !lenny |
| 20:44.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 20:44.56 | clahey | wols_: Which one is stable and unstable and such. |
| 20:45.13 | wols_ | clahey: sid is always unstable, always. etch is stable, lenny is testing |
| 20:45.20 | clahey | Gotcha. |
| 20:45.27 | |MaX| | don t know |
| 20:45.27 | |MaX| | :p |
| 20:45.30 | clahey | How do I tell which one I have? |
| 20:45.31 | |MaX| | where is a forum |
| 20:45.50 | peter__ | hark, I got em ;) |
| 20:45.52 | wols_ | |MaX|: sourceforge has a mailinglist for every project |
| 20:45.54 | krazykit | clahey, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:45.58 | clahey | /etc/debian_version says "testing/unstable" |
| 20:46.14 | krazykit | clahey, look in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:46.20 | Azar | clahey: Debian 4.0 (Etch) - stable , Debian Lenny - testing , Debian Sid - unstable |
| 20:46.22 | \amethyst | Bac9: you might want to look at torrentflux |
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| 20:46.34 | regulate | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.44 | tapas | what d you think? is it possible to build apt wit a prefix oh e.g. $HOME/local? |
| 20:46.57 | tapas | so i can install packages into my homedir? :) |
| 20:47.02 | peter__ | hark, how to check what xorg do I have... ? |
| 20:47.11 | clahey | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 (20060810)]/ etch main |
| 20:47.20 | clahey | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 20:47.24 | clahey | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 20:47.27 | tapas | or is thre some other way to use apt to install packages into my homedir? |
| 20:47.30 | hark | peter__: X -version or dpkg -l xorg |
| 20:47.34 | tapas | [building everything from source sucks] |
| 20:47.45 | clahey | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 20:47.47 | tapas | [in case i don't have admin access on the box i work on] |
| 20:47.50 | Azar | you got the old testing CD.. before Etch was officially released as stable |
| 20:47.55 | wols_ | clahey: don't do this |
| 20:47.58 | clahey | krazykit: Looks like I have both. |
| 20:48.05 | clahey | Should I just wipe this install and start a new one? |
| 20:48.14 | wols_ | clahey: no |
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| 20:48.21 | Azar | clahey: get the official Etch stable CD |
| 20:48.32 | Bac9 | \amethyst: hmm, web server required.... might be an option, is there anything that doesn't depend on a webserver? |
| 20:48.34 | Azar | oh ok... maybe you can fixit |
| 20:48.34 | wols_ | clahey: you can simply update with aptitude |
| 20:48.49 | clahey | I'm fine with starting from scratch. |
| 20:48.55 | psnl | tapas: I don't think so - lots of packages expect to be able to dump configs into /etc |
| 20:48.56 | regulate | no need |
| 20:49.01 | clahey | The debian install I have doesn't seem to even have a working X server. |
| 20:49.07 | wols_ | Bac9: mldonkey-server if you are on sid |
| 20:49.11 | tapas | psnl: well, if one could give apt some sort of basepath |
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| 20:49.24 | tapas | psnl: but i suppose it's just not possible due to path hardcoding in packages etc? |
| 20:49.36 | wols_ | tapas: it is possible but not supported |
| 20:49.42 | Bac9 | wols_: isn't that ED2K network? |
| 20:49.52 | tapas | wols_: how would it be done? |
| 20:50.00 | clahey | wols_: Okay. aptitude. Do I first update my sources list by hand or do I do that through aptitude? |
| 20:50.04 | wols_ | ...but not supported |
| 20:50.10 | \amethyst | tapas: the --instdir and --admindir arguments to dpkg |
| 20:50.15 | Bac9 | wols_: actually I am looking something for stable, or something installable on stable without upgrading a whole bunch of packages |
| 20:50.17 | clahey | wols_: Sorry about being a n00b, but I grew up using rpms. |
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| 20:50.27 | Azar | clahey: you can do what wols_ said, but you have to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list >> replace all "unstable" and "testing" with "etch" .... then run: aptitude update and aptitude upgrade |
| 20:50.28 | wols_ | clahey: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1. what does it say? |
| 20:50.38 | \amethyst | Bac9: you could run btdownloadheadless, but I don't know how easily controllable that is |
| 20:50.42 | clahey | wols_: You're welcome to point me to a good site to go to to find instructions. |
| 20:50.54 | \amethyst | Bac9: you'd be running one process per torrent |
| 20:50.55 | clahey | 2.3.6.ds1-2 |
| 20:50.55 | wols_ | clahey: I asked you something |
| 20:51.04 | clahey | wols_: I was already typing that line when you asked. |
| 20:51.12 | Bac9 | \amethyst: yes, that'd be anoying |
| 20:51.20 | wols_ | ok. then do as azar said. replace unstable with etch and aptitude update |
| 20:51.26 | tapas | \amethyst: thanks |
| 20:51.42 | Bac9 | \amethyst: oh well, I guess there's isn't much choice yet for bittorrent clients |
| 20:51.56 | Bac9 | \amethyst, wols_: thank you for trying |
| 20:51.57 | wols_ | Bac9: I gave you a solution already |
| 20:51.58 | clahey | wols_: I'm gonna drop the cdrom: source also. |
| 20:52.04 | \amethyst | Bac9: Process overhead isn't so bad that it matters |
| 20:52.04 | wols_ | clahey: yes |
| 20:52.30 | |MaX| | thx |
| 20:52.31 | clahey | upgrade is gonna take a good while, I'm guessing. :) |
| 20:52.44 | wols_ | dependsx how many packages you have installed |
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| 20:52.53 | wols_ | and how fast your pipe is |
| 20:52.59 | Bac9 | \amethyst: if it requires a process/torrent then it's probably a console client, so I'd need to log into the box to start/stop anything |
| 20:53.01 | clahey | GPG error, NO_PUBKEY |
| 20:53.03 | Azar | clahey: it gonna trash all stuff that is wrong, and install or repair what is needed |
| 20:53.05 | wols_ | clahey: what kernel do you run? |
| 20:53.10 | wols_ | clahey: that is no error |
| 20:53.18 | clahey | Oh, W: = warning. |
| 20:53.30 | Azar | wols_: that is because he used an old "testing" Etch.. |
| 20:53.39 | clahey | wols_: No idea what kernel. I'll check. |
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| 20:53.47 | clahey | 2.6.1-2-686 |
| 20:53.51 | Azar | ah... the TIME... fix the time |
| 20:53.54 | wols_ | wow. that is old. |
| 20:54.23 | jhulst | I'm having problems finding a package for lame, is there one available through apt? |
| 20:54.35 | \amethyst | !lame |
| 20:54.35 | dpkg | methinks lame is Binary packages available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at http://www.mp3dev.org/ or http://lame.sourceforge.net/ -- Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. |
| 20:54.50 | clahey | "Untrusted packages" |
| 20:54.51 | clahey | Ah well. |
| 20:55.05 | clahey | wols_: I think I just let it use whatever kernel it wanted to. |
| 20:55.26 | wols_ | clahey: it might not update the kernel automatically. and I strongly suggest to use 2.6.18-4 |
| 20:55.26 | jhulst | \amethyst: thanks |
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| 20:56.33 | edistar | hey, where do I set the DocumentIndex for apache? It seems that in etch all the files are somewhere else? I am quite confused.. |
| 20:56.34 | clahey | Of course, the keyring it has me download isn't signed, but I really am not worried about it. :) |
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| 20:57.07 | clahey | wols_: Cool. Thanks. |
| 20:57.07 | larsl | Are there any packages with japanese TTF fonts? |
| 20:57.15 | clahey | wols_: Re: kernel version. |
| 20:57.25 | Azar | clahey: if it does not work, get a new install: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 20:57.31 | \amethyst | edistar: apache2? |
| 20:57.39 | wols_ | edistar: why do you want to change it? |
| 20:57.42 | edistar | \amethyst: yes |
| 20:57.49 | edistar | wols_: I want to change it to index.php |
| 20:58.07 | wols_ | what has index.php to do with documentroot? |
| 20:58.15 | edistar | documentindex.. |
| 20:58.19 | wols_ | and it uses index.php just fine here |
| 20:58.33 | \amethyst | edistar: do you mean DirectoryIndex? |
| 20:58.35 | edistar | well, it takes the apache2-default folder here.. |
| 20:58.41 | edistar | yes, maybe ;) |
| 20:58.45 | clahey | Azar: Cool. Thanks. |
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| 20:59.09 | \amethyst | edistar: /etc/apache2/mods-available/dir.conf |
| 20:59.25 | \amethyst | edistar: (assuming that's enabled: a2enmod dir to enable it) |
| 20:59.31 | edistar | \amethyst: why in mods-available? seems strange.. |
| 20:59.31 | edistar | ok |
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| 20:59.54 | \amethyst | edistar: because DirectoryIndex comes from a module that might or might not be enabled |
| 20:59.57 | edistar | \amethyst: it is enabled |
| 20:59.57 | ricky | Mine has index.php already. |
| 21:00.09 | edistar | \amethyst: thanks |
| 21:00.10 | Azar | clahey: if you decide to install with netinstall, here is some help: http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_debian_etch |
| 21:00.22 | \amethyst | ricky: some people might want index.php to be earlier in the order |
| 21:00.59 | ricky | \amethyst: Aha- true. |
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| 21:01.35 | edistar | \amethyst: maybe you can help me... I have set my documentRoot to /var/www (default) but when I want to access on port 80 it opens the apache2-default |
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| 21:01.50 | edistar | \amethyst: why? |
| 21:02.36 | \amethyst | edistar: look in /etc/apache/sites-available/default |
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| 21:02.49 | \amethyst | edistar: RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/ |
| 21:02.50 | ruben | Hi, what is the way to pass LS_COLORS env var to a new xterm? |
| 21:02.53 | ruben | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.55 | ruben | does not work for me :( |
| 21:02.58 | \amethyst | edistar: Just remove that |
| 21:03.10 | \amethyst | edistar: (and invoke-rc.d apache2 force-reload) |
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| 21:03.54 | edistar | \amethyst: it's called 000-default here, normal? |
| 21:04.12 | \amethyst | edistar: you're looking in sites-enabled... that one's a symlink to the other |
| 21:04.22 | edistar | oh |
| 21:04.41 | edistar | \amethyst: just delete the line? |
| 21:04.51 | edistar | \amethyst: but why is it there in the first placeß |
| 21:04.51 | edistar | ? |
| 21:05.22 | \amethyst | edistar: The comment says why... so they can have a default "welcome to apache" page without putting it in /var/www/index.html |
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| 21:05.49 | edistar | \amethyst: okey... still strange, why not put it in the root ;) |
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| 21:06.11 | afaict | hi folks! whats the best filesystem to use in a USB pendrive installation ? |
| 21:06.19 | \amethyst | edistar: because then all the different webservers would have a conflict on /var/www/index.html :) |
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| 21:06.54 | edistar | \amethyst: thanks a lot :) |
| 21:07.03 | \amethyst | edistar: what I'd recommend: copy sites-available/default to sites-available/mysite or something like that |
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| 21:07.31 | \amethyst | edistar: edit the mysite one. then do a2dissite default; a2ensite mysite to use your site instead of the default |
| 21:07.53 | \amethyst | edistar: that way you won't have to worry about keeping/patching the file on upgrades |
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| 21:08.44 | daeos | whats the command(s) to upgrade kernal from 2.6.11 to current? |
| 21:09.59 | fasta | !kernal |
| 21:09.59 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 21:10.39 | clahey | upgrade is running now. |
| 21:10.43 | clahey | Thanks all for the help so far. :) |
| 21:11.02 | ricky | Wow, I really didn't see that coming. |
| 21:11.08 | edistar | \amethyst: sounds complex.. ;) |
| 21:11.13 | edistar | \amethyst: but thanks :) |
| 21:11.14 | ricky | dpkg never fails to surprise :) |
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| 21:12.00 | peter__ | hark, well... http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/10425 it gets me error with dependies of libdbus |
| 21:12.08 | TimbrWolf | Anyone know of any text based cd players that work with etch? |
| 21:12.13 | ricky | Awww, what's wrong with their great manual? |
| 21:12.22 | krazykit | TimbrWolf, mplayer |
| 21:12.44 | TimbrWolf | thanks, krazykit. I'll try that one. |
| 21:13.08 | Gigantic | edistar: http://www.amazon.com/Apache-Indians-North-America/dp/0791003523/ref=sr_1_1/102-3295791-3249705?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1183842750&sr=1-1 |
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| 21:13.15 | krazykit | TimbrWolf, though mplayer isn't really designed for that. there are other players, i'm sure. |
| 21:13.27 | krazykit | TimbrWolf, xmms2 should do it |
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| 21:14.24 | Azar | daeos: what Debian version are you running? 4.0 ? |
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| 21:14.57 | ctatuk | Is it possible to display all of the symlinks pointing to a specified location? |
| 21:14.58 | adv0cate | TimbrWolf: cdcd, dcd... there are a bunch in the repositories. |
| 21:15.10 | krazykit | TimbrWolf, or stuff like cdcd, cdtool, dcd, etc. |
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| 21:15.32 | adv0cate | TimbrWolf: mp3c, which is actually tailored for ripping, provides an ncurses interface and will play CDs, iirc. |
| 21:15.41 | TimbrWolf | krazykit, mplayer is listed in graphics |
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| 21:15.53 | Gigantic | TimbrWolf: any GUI player will do it, kMplayer, mplayer kaffeine xmms, vlc, juk Amarok... |
| 21:15.57 | Jemt | Yeah! I got my Apache2 Server working with one of my domains. But when I access http://domain.com/ it redirects to the default directory http://domain.com/apache2-default/ - I want my domains to have their own htdocs directory. What's wrong with my configuration file? http://codemagic.dk/apache2-default/codemagic-dk.txt |
| 21:16.11 | krazykit | Gigantic, yeah, but if you read up, you'd know he was looking for a console app :P |
| 21:16.23 | Gigantic | :p |
| 21:16.33 | TimbrWolf | thanks adv0cate |
| 21:16.51 | \amethyst | Jemt: what configuration file was it that you put there? |
| 21:17.21 | TimbrWolf | I want to be able to play a cd from the command line |
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| 21:17.45 | ricky | Jemt: Did you restart apache after commenting RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/? |
| 21:18.10 | crescent_ | exir |
| 21:18.14 | crescent_ | exit |
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| 21:18.39 | Jemt | ricky: Yes |
| 21:18.48 | Jemt | \amethyst: What do you mean ? |
| 21:18.58 | \amethyst | TimbrWolf: there's also cdcc and workbone |
| 21:19.00 | Jemt | \amethyst: Do you ask where I have placed the config file ? |
| 21:19.08 | \amethyst | Jemt: Yes |
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| 21:19.35 | Jemt | \amethyst: Okay :) I have placed it in /etc/apache2/sites-available and made a symlink to it in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| 21:19.56 | [GABRI] | hi people |
| 21:20.04 | \amethyst | Jemt: did you disable the default site? |
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| 21:20.12 | [GABRI] | i have this error |
| 21:20.15 | [GABRI] | /usr/sbin/chroot: the directory(board of directors) cannot change root to/home/enjaulado: not allowed Operation |
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| 21:20.23 | \amethyst | Jemt: You should use a2ensite and a2dissite instead of creating the symlinks manually |
| 21:20.33 | \amethyst | [GABRI]: have that error from what? |
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| 21:20.49 | Jemt | \amethyst: Why is that ? |
| 21:21.08 | Jemt | \amethyst: And no, I don't think I have disabled the default site - how do I do that ? :) |
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| 21:21.31 | scummos | hi all, i have a problem installing debian |
| 21:21.31 | Jemt | \amethyst: Ah, remove it from sites-enabled of cause |
| 21:21.35 | [GABRI] | mmm \amethyst with this shell |
| 21:21.36 | [GABRI] | #!/bin/bash |
| 21:21.36 | [GABRI] | /usr/sbin/chroot /home/enjaulado /bin/bash |
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| 21:22.00 | scummos | my mouse does´nt work , the keys are swapped (moving right clicks usw) |
| 21:22.15 | \amethyst | [GABRI]: because only root can run chroot |
| 21:22.21 | streuner | scummos: gpm? |
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| 21:22.23 | scummos | i noticed the same problem with the newest suse-kernel, but with another kernel it works... |
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| 21:22.38 | scummos | streunder> gpm? what´s that? |
| 21:22.39 | streuner | scummos: SuSE? |
| 21:22.43 | \amethyst | [GABRI]: You might want to look at fakechroot |
| 21:22.43 | streuner | scummos: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 21:23.05 | [GABRI] | mm \amethyst in visudo i have enjaulado ALL=/usr/sbin/chroot |
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| 21:23.10 | scummos | streuner> under suse? |
| 21:23.34 | \amethyst | [GABRI]: So the script should say sudo /usr/bin/chroot /home/enjaulado /bin/bash |
| 21:23.36 | Jemt | \amethyst: Ah, now it works, after I disabled the default site :D |
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| 21:23.45 | scummos | streuner> nothing, dpkg isn´t installed |
| 21:23.57 | streuner | scummos: You are in the wrong channel then |
| 21:24.00 | black_13_ | what steps to i have to do to enable networking on my machine? |
| 21:24.09 | scummos | streuner> this is not a suse problem |
| 21:24.13 | dvs | black_13_: man 5 interfaces |
| 21:24.20 | Azar | [GABRI]: what is less /etc/debian_version << say? |
| 21:24.30 | scummos | streuner> it _also_ occurs under suse, but there i could solve it |
| 21:24.33 | dvs | scummos: we only help with Debian |
| 21:24.37 | streuner | scummos: we arent care as long as you dont use Debian. |
| 21:24.49 | scummos | streuner> no installation support? :) |
| 21:24.52 | pengwyn | dpkg isn't installed <- tha's the funniest thing I heard all day!!! o;) |
| 21:25.03 | streuner | black_13_: modprobe your NIC and /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 21:25.03 | dvs | pengwyn: quote of the day? |
| 21:25.13 | [GABRI] | mm \amethyst thanks |
| 21:25.18 | pengwyn | dvs - run with it |
| 21:25.18 | black_13_ | the nic is a pcnet32 |
| 21:25.19 | scummos | lol |
| 21:25.26 | streuner | scummos: yes, of course, /msg dpkg ig |
| 21:25.31 | Azar | scummos: your voucher entitles you for help from your distro |
| 21:25.36 | dvs | black_13_: lspci | grep -i eth |
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| 21:25.56 | blinx | pengwyn: I have hadd a message on an ubuntu system like this: "apt-get: apt is not installed" |
| 21:26.04 | D0ug | Hello, can I get support for the netinst here? |
| 21:26.06 | scummos | sorry, i didn´t understand that... |
| 21:26.09 | simonrvn | just listened to a chris rock video on youtube, last line of it was "I ain't scared of al-Qaeda, I'm scared of Al Crackah" |
| 21:26.18 | Azar | teheee!! is SATURDAY! |
| 21:26.31 | black_13_ | dvs "Ethernet controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] 79970 [PCNET LANCE] |
| 21:26.34 | peter__ | bye :) |
| 21:26.34 | streuner | "permanent sunday" ;-) |
| 21:26.37 | scummos | again, where can i get installtion support if not here? :) |
| 21:26.54 | Azar | scummos: your linux distribution , not Debian |
| 21:26.55 | streuner | scummos: you didnt ask so far yet |
| 21:27.16 | simonrvn | USians and Canuckians will get that one |
| 21:27.17 | Azar | scummos: are you installing Debian? |
| 21:27.18 | scummos | yes i did... again. my mouse does not work properly in the debian installer. |
| 21:27.21 | scummos | yes |
| 21:27.28 | Azar | ok holdon |
| 21:27.31 | black_13_ | dvs, i did lsmod and the module pcnet32 is loaded |
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| 21:27.42 | \amethyst | Apparently #debian people don't like it if you've ever used another Linux distribution |
| 21:27.43 | dvs | black_13_: then /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 21:27.50 | simonrvn | Azar: no i won't hold on, get your girlfriend to do that for you |
| 21:27.51 | scummos | and to describe this problem better, i said it also occured under suse, there i solved it by updating my kernel. |
| 21:27.59 | Azar | haha |
| 21:28.01 | streuner | scummos: finish the install process and install X |
| 21:28.06 | Azar | scummos: desktop or server? |
| 21:28.09 | scummos | streuner> desktop |
| 21:28.17 | scummos | streuner> ok, i can do that :) |
| 21:28.18 | Azar | http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_debian_etch << scummos |
| 21:28.20 | [GABRI] | Can I put a different message from welcome for every user? |
| 21:29.00 | pengwyn | Azar - that tutorial rocks! don't forget automatix2 after that though... |
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| 21:29.21 | scummos | streuner> and you think that could help? :) |
| 21:29.27 | Azar | pengwyn: sigh..... ok thanks |
| 21:29.34 | krazykit | automatix2, yeah. great idea if you want to break your system. |
| 21:29.37 | scummos | streuner> okay, so i´ll try... thanks =) ~> cu then |
| 21:29.58 | Azar | I am not using gadgets, but hey for whomever likes toys... |
| 21:30.44 | pengwyn | krazykit - i hear ya. many things can break your sys. |
| 21:30.49 | Azar | I would rather encourage new users to take some days and explore debian , then jump on toys |
| 21:31.08 | black_13_ | dvs, /etc/network/interfaces looks correct |
| 21:31.10 | Azar | ...so they would learn why stuff break |
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| 21:31.26 | black_13_ | iface lo inet loopback |
| 21:31.33 | black_13_ | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 21:31.36 | dvs | !paste |
| 21:31.36 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 21:31.42 | black_13_ | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 21:31.50 | pengwyn | the tutorial still rocks... at least. |
| 21:32.04 | krazykit | except it says to use vmware instead of qemu :P |
| 21:32.52 | \amethyst | black_13_: does ifup eth0 enable it, or give you any errors or log messages? |
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| 21:34.28 | black_13_ | \amethyst, yes there are error |
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| 21:34.42 | black_13_ | SIOCSIFFADDDR no such device |
| 21:35.03 | black_13_ | eth0: ERROR while getting flags: no such device |
| 21:35.16 | simonrvn | scummos: the mouse isn't supposed to work in the installer (not the ncurses (text) one anyway) |
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| 21:35.20 | black_13_ | bind to socket to interface: no such device |
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| 21:35.59 | Jemt | Hm, I have 2 virtual hosts in Apache2 - domain1.com and domain2.com - both points just fine to my webserver, but domain2.com displays the content of domain1.com - like it uses the same directory. But according to the configuration file, it uses it's own. What could be wrong ? The configuration files : http://codemagic.dk/domain1.txt and http://codemagic.dk/domain2.txt |
| 21:36.30 | black_13_ | \amethyst, any ideas |
| 21:36.33 | [GABRI] | Can I put a different message from welcome for every user? |
| 21:36.53 | \amethyst | Jemt: Because those both say <VirtualHost *> |
| 21:37.05 | Jemt | \amethyst: Oh, I see. What should it say ? |
| 21:37.07 | \amethyst | Jemt: so both config files apply to all virtual hosts |
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| 21:37.14 | Jemt | \amethyst: Makes sense |
| 21:37.22 | Jemt | \amethyst: *.domain.com ? |
| 21:37.32 | \amethyst | Jemt: do they have the same or different IPs? |
| 21:37.46 | Jemt | They have the same IP |
| 21:38.00 | TimbrWolf | krazykit, Thanks.... xmms2 works fine. |
| 21:38.20 | TimbrWolf | I previously used workbone, but that no longer works |
| 21:38.32 | \amethyst | Jemt: Read apache2 docs, including http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/name-based.html |
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| 21:38.45 | Jemt | \amethyst: Okay, thanks :) |
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| 21:39.22 | abrotman | [GABRI]: you mean when they login via ssh ? |
| 21:39.23 | \amethyst | Jemt: The * is fine, but you need a ServerName directive |
| 21:39.42 | Jemt | Oh, okay - I'll look into that :) |
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| 21:40.10 | [GABRI] | yes abrotman |
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| 21:40.54 | bozi | hi |
| 21:41.01 | bozi | http://rafb.net/p/CR2T9h39.html |
| 21:41.04 | Azar | pengwyn: the tutorial lists your beloved automatix2 as well |
| 21:41.07 | bozi | any idea? |
| 21:41.07 | abrotman | [GABRI]: /etc/motd.tail |
| 21:41.10 | black_13_ | I FIXED IT! |
| 21:41.33 | black_13_ | see: http://www.vmware.com/community/message.jspa?messageID=677481 |
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| 21:41.45 | abrotman | bozi: what's the error you get ? |
| 21:42.02 | streuner | wb(r) abrotman |
| 21:42.05 | [GABRI] | mmm abrotman i need two different messages from user1 and user2 |
| 21:42.05 | abrotman | hhehe |
| 21:42.14 | abrotman | [GABRI]: ah .. you didn't say that .. i don't think you can |
| 21:42.16 | bozi | since last upgrade (no kernel upgraded) i cant mount usb-storage devices .... it produces 100% load |
| 21:42.32 | abrotman | [GABRI]: you could put somethin in their profile |
| 21:43.02 | abrotman | bozi: so no actual error ? |
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| 21:43.03 | bozi | mount crashs w/o message |
| 21:43.17 | Azar | sigkill message |
| 21:43.18 | bozi | only kill -9 possible |
| 21:44.13 | [GABRI] | mm abrotman where? .bash_profile? |
| 21:44.32 | abrotman | yes |
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| 21:45.12 | dacs | hi guys |
| 21:45.25 | dacs | i did apt-get install package name |
| 21:45.32 | ruben | Hi, if I have no plan to use '3d' or 'glx' in my X windows, is a good idea to use a 'nvidia' module? or is better to use a 'nv' module? |
| 21:45.43 | Azar | nv works |
| 21:45.47 | dacs | after installed how can i know the path for that package folder please |
| 21:45.49 | streuner | "nv" doesnt support 3d :-) |
| 21:46.04 | Azar | streuner: no plan to use 3d |
| 21:46.16 | streuner | Azar: me either ;-) |
| 21:46.22 | abrotman | dacs: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 21:46.33 | Azar | :) |
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| 21:46.57 | Azar | ruben: nv works for 2D and is free.... |
| 21:47.05 | streuner | well, you need non-free stuff for 3D |
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| 21:47.15 | bozi | Azar: kill -9 mount produced no messages |
| 21:47.20 | streuner | nvidia-glx or legacy |
| 21:47.23 | Azar | :) may I offer you a heinken, streuner? |
| 21:47.35 | streuner | no, thanks (i have wine here) ;-) |
| 21:47.37 | ruben | but if I don't want to use 3D, using 3d module consumes more resources than 2d? |
| 21:47.58 | Azar | bozi: your paster shows a strace original command.... which ends with +++ killed by Sigkill +++ |
| 21:48.19 | abrotman | i thik that was him hitting ctrl-c |
| 21:48.36 | bozi | this the sigkill from me (kill -9 ....) |
| 21:48.40 | Azar | ruben: if you are not interested in using 3D , great, use the free "nv" module that will render 2D only... |
| 21:48.46 | dacs | abrotman: it locates it in a lot of places |
| 21:48.58 | Jemt | I don't get it.. I can one have one <VirtualHost> per IPaddress in my Apache configuration ? |
| 21:49.03 | abrotman | dacs: you can dpkg -L <pkg> | grep bin if that helps |
| 21:49.17 | Azar | bozi: you might want to try see if the application/process does not already have a "start" and "stop" command before forcing a kill on it |
| 21:49.23 | dacs | abrotman: how can i know the version |
| 21:49.31 | ruben | Azar: this question is only, since some people tells me that using 3d memory it uses the 'memory of the nvidia card', and to use a 2d memory, it uses from my system, it is true? |
| 21:49.33 | abrotman | dpkg -l <pkg> |
| 21:49.33 | dpkg | ii <pkg> 3.1-1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 21:49.47 | \amethyst | ruben: you'd have to benchmark to see which had less resource usage... nv is 2d-accelerated, but I don't know how its 2D accel compares to the non-free nvidia modules |
| 21:50.17 | Azar | \amethyst: he is mainly concerned with memory consumption... I am not very good at this |
| 21:50.20 | Azar | tarz |
| 21:50.23 | Azar | tarzeau: |
| 21:50.42 | ruben | thanks again |
| 21:51.00 | \amethyst | memory consumption is the kind of thing you'll definitely have to benchmark, because that depends on your card and other settings |
| 21:51.10 | \amethyst | doh |
| 21:51.36 | Azar | yeah well he left... I never benchmarked , but I bet tarzeau would know about |
| 21:51.42 | Azar | mister master gamer |
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| 21:51.57 | dacs | abrotman: thank you |
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| 21:52.16 | Guerin | ah, it's my favouritest kind of day |
| 21:52.17 | abrotman | dacs: also .. man apt-cache .. great way to get lots of info |
| 21:52.22 | abrotman | Guerin: beer day ? |
| 21:52.29 | Guerin | that was yesterday |
| 21:52.30 | streuner | troll day |
| 21:52.31 | Azar | aaaaaaahhhh what a treat, mister Guerin in person |
| 21:52.34 | Guerin | today is fishing day |
| 21:52.38 | streuner | haha |
| 21:52.42 | bozi | the last action is the before i initiate sigkill is: read(3, "\353X\220CanonEOS\0\2\10 \0\2\0\0\0\0\370\0\0?\0\377\0"..., 69632) = 69632 |
| 21:52.51 | Guerin | it's really cold, and still, and the first sunny day in about three weeks |
| 21:53.07 | dvs | Guerin: really cold!?! Not here. |
| 21:53.20 | abrotman | dvs: different hemisphere ,.. |
| 21:53.26 | Guerin | dvs: where are you? |
| 21:53.34 | dvs | Guerin: Toronto |
| 21:53.36 | abrotman | Azar: quit your bitching |
| 21:53.40 | Guerin | well, that figures |
| 21:53.42 | Azar | :) |
| 21:53.51 | abrotman | Azar: in the winter it's also only 60F |
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| 21:54.23 | Azar | abrotman: by then Guerin's place would be in full summer |
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| 21:54.30 | abrotman | sure .. but it's still 60F there |
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| 21:54.37 | Guerin | abrotman: it's currently 2°C, or 35°F |
| 21:54.39 | Azar | 60F is what I love |
| 21:54.44 | abrotman | Guerin: your winter is like mine :) |
| 21:54.44 | dvs | yikes! |
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| 21:55.16 | Guerin | abrotman: nah, this is probably the coldest day this year |
| 21:55.16 | streuner | hm, "Lenin" liked 17 C. |
| 21:55.29 | Guerin | where I am, at sea level. Down south where my uncle andy lives they have it much harder |
| 21:56.21 | abrotman | Guerin: yeah .. we're usually not 35F .. but sometimes it gets even lower for a daily high .. but usually it's 40F or so |
| 21:56.45 | streuner | Azar: "Lenin" wouldnt like calfornia much, only with air-condition ;-) |
| 21:57.03 | juanramb | hi all! anyone using ocfs2? |
| 21:57.05 | Guerin | abrotman: yeh, it'd get down this cold quite regularly at night, but at the moment it's 0956 |
| 21:57.13 | abrotman | well .. sure |
| 21:57.35 | abrotman | whoa .. shocker |
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| 21:58.22 | streuner | some dude (iraq) told me, they have in EVERY place air-condition |
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| 22:00.20 | robboplus | streuner i'm not surprised |
| 22:00.23 | Supaplex | mmm ice cream. |
| 22:00.31 | [GABRI] | what is the problem? |
| 22:00.32 | [GABRI] | http://rafb.net/p/FOgjdN86.html |
| 22:00.40 | Supaplex | all your base |
| 22:00.40 | jonaskoelker | question: I just did a dist-upgrade, and now I have no sound... what do I do? |
| 22:00.40 | robboplus | e.g. in Italy you can hardly walk in the evening... too hot and humidity is killing you |
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| 22:00.53 | streuner | robboplus: after he told me, there is sometimes 40 C. and more, i wasnt supprised anymore... |
| 22:01.00 | jonaskoelker | $(asoundconf list) doesn't list any sound cards |
| 22:01.01 | valdyn | that's like 10+ degrees below iraq ( italy ) |
| 22:01.07 | valdyn | C |
| 22:01.18 | robboplus | streuner it's even worse in Italy... sun would kill you instantly if you tried to walk at noon |
| 22:01.22 | jonaskoelker | but alsamixer lists "Card: Intel ICH5" with "Chip: Analog Devices AD1985" |
| 22:01.31 | Supaplex | GABRI two things atleast. irc as root = bad. irssi is more modern. |
| 22:01.34 | streuner | robboplus: the same in greece, yeah |
| 22:01.52 | robboplus | something shitty is in the air :) |
| 22:02.08 | robboplus | hint: 2012 :) |
| 22:02.25 | pengwyn | bagh that's art bell 2012 |
| 22:02.38 | robboplus | start reading pengwyn |
| 22:02.39 | jonaskoelker | ... using mplayer -ao oss works fine, though |
| 22:02.46 | jonaskoelker | (so I know my card isn't broken) |
| 22:02.58 | robboplus | pengwyn the hyperactivity of the sun is clearly visible on earth so far... |
| 22:03.02 | pengwyn | robboplus, I been to Tikal where the actual Calendar is. |
| 22:03.07 | robboplus | and that will triple until 2012 |
| 22:03.12 | streuner | jonaskoelker: sounds like OSS modules are still installed... |
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| 22:03.26 | jonaskoelker | streuner: and that's bad? |
| 22:03.31 | robboplus | pengwyn it's not just about the calendar but some astronomical facts |
| 22:03.36 | wathek | hello |
| 22:03.44 | streuner | sure, ALSA dosnt like OSS modules much... |
| 22:03.53 | wathek | I've a problem with the Ad-Hoc configuration when I set the IPs, the network's ID PC 1 and 2 detects the network and could connect to it but they can't ping each other ! any one could help me please |
| 22:04.05 | jonaskoelker | okay... let me run alsaconf then |
| 22:04.16 | streuner | !alsa checklist |
| 22:04.16 | dpkg | i guess alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 22:04.29 | cmacis | Hi all. How can I get knetworkmanager to connect on startup and can I get it to turn on wireless automatically and search and connect to my network? |
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| 22:04.55 | jonaskoelker | alsaconf says "amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device" |
| 22:05.12 | pengwyn | robboplus, I won't argue about the sun. I also do ham radio and the sun spots been weird for too long now |
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| 22:05.27 | robboplus | pengwyn and that will get even worse soon |
| 22:05.28 | streuner | jonaskoelker: what does "cat /proc/version" say? |
| 22:05.36 | robboplus | pengwyn much worse |
| 22:05.37 | jonaskoelker | Linux version 2.6.18-4-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 |
| 22:05.43 | streuner | hm |
| 22:06.10 | streuner | jonaskoelker: show us "lsmod" in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
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| 22:06.24 | robboplus | pengwyn the sun is just a magnet, huge one, that just started to get mad |
| 22:06.46 | [GABRI] | mmm Supaplex isn't root is a chroot |
| 22:08.08 | Supaplex | oh sure chroot, then make nodes, mount proc, access raw devices and memory. 0 additional security. |
| 22:08.10 | jonaskoelker | http://paste.debian.net/32250 |
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| 22:08.14 | jonaskoelker | there ya go |
| 22:08.16 | Supaplex | !tell [GABRI] -about chroot |
| 22:08.22 | Supaplex | er |
| 22:08.24 | Supaplex | !tell [GABRI] -about root |
| 22:08.26 | Supaplex | my bad. |
| 22:08.42 | [GABRI] | isn't root Supaplex |
| 22:08.47 | Supaplex | [GABRI]: how are you logging in? |
| 22:08.49 | [GABRI] | it is a normal user with chroot |
| 22:09.09 | [GABRI] | host: cmiranda.mine.nu user:enjaulado pass:pepe |
| 22:09.13 | Supaplex | was the chroot installed via debootstrap or similar? |
| 22:09.33 | Supaplex | 'ssh' suffices. you gave every micreat your password now. |
| 22:10.00 | [GABRI] | mm Supaplex is a restricted user |
| 22:10.04 | jonaskoelker | let me guess, hunter2? ;) |
| 22:10.26 | [GABRI] | i need run Bitchx only |
| 22:11.17 | jonaskoelker | streuner: not wanting to nag (but doing it anyways), have you made any sense of my paste? |
| 22:11.21 | streuner | jonaskoelker: alsa-utils is installed? |
| 22:11.40 | jonaskoelker | yep |
| 22:11.42 | streuner | well, there is no sound module installed, AFAIK |
| 22:12.12 | streuner | jonaskoelker: what does "lspci -v | grep -i audio" say? |
| 22:12.32 | jonaskoelker | 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) Subsystem: Intel Corporation SoundMax Intergrated Digital Audio |
| 22:12.51 | streuner | jonaskoelker: GNOME or KDE? |
| 22:12.52 | jonaskoelker | (s/ (Subsystem)/\n\1/) |
| 22:12.53 | jonaskoelker | KDE |
| 22:13.01 | streuner | turn ARTS off |
| 22:13.05 | jonaskoelker | it's killed |
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| 22:13.18 | streuner | !hcl |
| 22:13.18 | dpkg | from memory, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ |
| 22:13.33 | [GABRI] | mm Supaplex what is your opinion? |
| 22:13.44 | abrotman | he ran an errand |
| 22:13.47 | streuner | well, its strange that ALSA doesnt work then (if its supported) |
| 22:13.47 | abrotman | run irssi |
| 22:13.56 | jonaskoelker | streuner: well, it worked earlier today, and I haven't rebooted |
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| 22:14.13 | streuner | hm, what did you do in the meantime? |
| 22:14.20 | jonaskoelker | streuner: aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 22:14.38 | Jemt | Ok, I don't get this at all. I just want a few domains on my Apache2 server, but both domains point to the same directory. Could someone tell me what I should change in the Virtual Host configurations ? They are available here: http://codemagic.dk/domain1.txt http://codemagic.dk/domain2.txt |
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| 22:15.33 | streuner | jonaskoelker: what did you use before, OSS? |
| 22:15.39 | jonaskoelker | streuner: no, alsa |
| 22:15.43 | streuner | hm |
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| 22:15.52 | jonaskoelker | streuner: I had `aoss esd' running, but that shouldn't matter (AFAICT) |
| 22:16.09 | streuner | jonaskoelker: from sarge to etch? |
| 22:16.13 | abrotman | Jemt: just a guess .. they're both *:80 |
| 22:16.31 | jonaskoelker | nah, I was running etch... is etch+1 (lenny?) out yet? |
| 22:16.43 | Jemt | abrotman: But what should I write instead ? I have tried *.domain:80 but it dosn't work |
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| 22:16.52 | krazykit | jonaskoelker, haha, of course not. etch was just released a few months ago. |
| 22:16.59 | streuner | jonaskoelker: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 22:17.19 | abrotman | domain:80 ? |
| 22:17.27 | jonaskoelker | ii libc6 2.5-9+b1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:17.29 | juanramb | jemt: try to put a NameVirtualHost *:80 instance in one of the domains |
| 22:18.00 | jonaskoelker | ... maybe downgrading some alsa-* packages will work? |
| 22:18.09 | Jemt | juanramb: I have one in both configurations. Should I remove it from one of them ? |
| 22:18.18 | Jemt | abrotman: I'll give it a try :) |
| 22:18.25 | juanramb | jemt: you should |
| 22:18.28 | unsolo | damnit |
| 22:18.37 | unsolo | i remotely upgraded a server to etch |
| 22:18.40 | unsolo | now i cant ssh in |
| 22:18.46 | streuner | jonaskoelker: no idea, it could be a way, just try it |
| 22:18.50 | unsolo | neither can i get my mail working |
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| 22:19.09 | streuner | jonaskoelker: there is always BTS too ;-) |
| 22:19.19 | Jemt | Hm, I get a lot of errors now : http://pastebin.ca/607813 |
| 22:19.53 | streuner | jonaskoelker: check out dpkg.log |
| 22:20.09 | sandman | Can prelink make files unstable at all in the long run? |
| 22:20.22 | sandman | Like, for instance: Should I be worried about this?: /usr/sbin/prelink.bin: /usr/lib/libglut.so.3.8.0: at least one of file's dependencies has changed since prelinking |
| 22:20.25 | unsolo | why do i get Permission denied (publickey). |
| 22:20.29 | juanramb | jemt: you should use NameVirtualhost :80 and then <VirtualHost *:80> |
| 22:20.42 | unsolo | when i try to ssh into the now etch previosuly sarge |
| 22:21.00 | Jemt | juanramb: Oh, I see. I'll give it a go :) |
| 22:21.00 | juanramb | Jemt: on each server put its name as: ServerName thenameoftheserver.domain |
| 22:21.34 | unsolo | please help |
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| 22:21.50 | Jemt | juanramb: "The address or port is invalid" |
| 22:22.04 | Jemt | juanramb: Okay |
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| 22:23.15 | Jemt | juanramb: I still get 'The address or port is invalid' |
| 22:23.33 | Jemt | Woops, wait.. |
| 22:24.00 | Jemt | No, same problem :-/ |
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| 22:24.33 | TrueDD_ | re |
| 22:24.44 | doudou | Hi, i am trying to compile faad2.5 in README.linux it is said run autoreconf -vif, i tryed autoreconf nothing, so aptitude install autoreconf, it says install autoconf2.13 so aptitude install autoconf2.13, the autoreconf -vif says unknown autoconf-wrapper: unrecognized option -vif |
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| 22:25.30 | tsrepadmin | hi |
| 22:25.31 | doudou | and it finished with error latter ... any ideas of what mess is all this? |
| 22:26.18 | abrotman | doudou: does it require a certain version of autoconf ? |
| 22:26.19 | doudou | why some people relase packages with autoreconf? |
| 22:27.26 | doudou | abrotman, how could i know? i found myself lucky to see what i saw, i came from installing pymedia, that is asking faad, and aptitude search faad is nothing, so i download sources |
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| 22:28.12 | abrotman | doudou: might be in the readme |
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| 22:28.20 | doudou | but autoconf is some kind of excentic way of releasing programs or not? |
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| 22:29.51 | abrotman | doudou: which version of debian ? |
| 22:29.54 | doudou | README.linux only give advice to use autoconf, anyway i feel lucky to find autoreconf in autoconf2.13, i me autoreconf is excentric |
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| 22:30.04 | zwox | hi |
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| 22:30.25 | doudou | excuse i mistake, i mean autoreconf is strange |
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| 22:30.48 | doudou | abrotman, etch |
| 22:30.59 | zwox | my sound is muted at the start of my debian |
| 22:31.16 | zwox | i should increase it an unmute it at each boot |
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| 22:31.18 | dondelelcaro | zwox: you want to install alsautils and have it store the sound levels |
| 22:31.22 | zwox | could you tell me why ? |
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| 22:31.38 | dondelelcaro | zwox: muted is the default state for most alsa drivers and hardware |
| 22:31.43 | zwox | _shawn: wow thank you |
| 22:31.51 | abrotman | i think etch has a newer autoconf besides 2.13 |
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| 22:32.02 | fasta | Why is it that using esd reduces sound quality? |
| 22:32.07 | dondelelcaro | zwox: the alsa init scripts job is to restore the levels on boot and store them on shutdown |
| 22:32.10 | zwox | dondelelcaro: i didn't though the problem could be so simple |
| 22:32.17 | Guerin | fasta: because esd is broken gnomeware |
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| 22:32.39 | fasta | Guerin: yes, I disabled it. Any other crap I should look out for? |
| 22:32.45 | Guerin | fasta: it's legacy shite, and there's no reason to use it in this day and age - dmix does what you probably want, and jackd does far more |
| 22:32.52 | zwox | so just apt-geting alsautils will fix it ? |
| 22:33.00 | zwox | it's ok thank you |
| 22:33.02 | Guerin | fasta: in gnome? Most everything. Beware the evil subsystems named after animals. |
| 22:33.05 | oush | Hi iv currently got windowsxp installed and have 2 partitions 1 for files 1 for OS! If i install debian over the one for OS will it still be able to see the other partition? |
| 22:33.07 | dondelelcaro | zwox: alsa-utils, yes. |
| 22:33.21 | dondelelcaro | zwox: if you've already got it installed, running /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart; should also resoslve it |
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| 22:33.27 | Guerin | oush: yes. |
| 22:33.27 | zwox | ok |
| 22:33.31 | elenril | anyone knows about a repo with libfreetype6 2.3.0+ ? |
| 22:33.41 | Guerin | elenril: you can, if you /msg dpkg search |
| 22:33.44 | zwox | and may i ask another little question |
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| 22:34.01 | Guerin | zwox: you just did |
| 22:34.07 | doudou | abrotman, can you give me a command to try another version of autoreconf? |
| 22:34.15 | abrotman | !find autoreconf etch |
| 22:34.18 | zwox | i don't remember what system file i should edit to change the information displayed at the console prompt befor to login |
| 22:34.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'autoreconf' (3): (/usr/bin/autoreconf2.13) in devel/autoconf2.13 ;; (/usr/bin/autoreconf) in devel/autoconf,devel/autoconf2.13 ;; (/usr/src/gcc-4.1/patches/autoreconf.dpatch) in devel/gcc-4.1-source. |
| 22:34.30 | abrotman | oh .. maybe not |
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| 22:34.51 | oush | You 100% sure it will still detect it? As i dont really want to loose 90GB of data! |
| 22:35.04 | fasta | Guerin: ok, is there something that isn't crap then? |
| 22:35.09 | valdyn | oush: you back up important data? |
| 22:35.12 | elenril | Guerin, ???? |
| 22:35.12 | jonaskoelker | hmm... if I start mplayer, then hit C-c, it says "MPlayer interrupted by signal 2 in module: ao2_init" |
| 22:35.16 | Guerin | oush: the partitions are separate for a reason. |
| 22:35.21 | jonaskoelker | does that hint at anything in particular? |
| 22:35.27 | oush | have nothing to bckup 90gb on! |
| 22:35.37 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: taht you sent signal 2 ? |
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| 22:35.41 | doudou | !find autoreconf etch |
| 22:35.46 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'autoreconf' (3): (/usr/bin/autoreconf2.13) in devel/autoconf2.13 ;; (/usr/bin/autoreconf) in devel/autoconf,devel/autoconf2.13 ;; (/usr/src/gcc-4.1/patches/autoreconf.dpatch) in devel/gcc-4.1-source. |
| 22:35.47 | fasta | Guerin: In my experience Gnome gives the least problems, although I considered dropping all desktop environments. |
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| 22:35.50 | Guerin | fasta: something of what type? A desktop environment? |
| 22:35.57 | fasta | Guerin: yes |
| 22:36.26 | Guerin | fasta: i recommend just using a windowmanager of your choice and some apps you like - although many apps are so tied to a DE that you basically end up running gnome or kde anyway |
| 22:36.35 | zwox | i though about editing /etc/profile but it's not the good file |
| 22:36.55 | fasta | Guerin: another problem is that lots of apps do not conform to standards. |
| 22:37.05 | Guerin | fasta: decent de-free programs include mplayer, sylpheed, firefox, xpdf/gv, emacs, vim and anythign shell-based |
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| 22:37.23 | Guerin | fasta: HID standards? You need to use a screenreader or something? |
| 22:37.38 | fasta | Guerin: e.g. the "system tray" of Amarok doesn't work in most minimalistic WM's. |
| 22:37.50 | fasta | Guerin: no, I don't need a screen reader |
| 22:37.50 | valdyn | fasta: that's a kde application |
| 22:37.52 | Guerin | right - this is a reason to avoid amorok, since it's broken kdeware |
| 22:37.55 | fasta | valdyn: I know. |
| 22:37.57 | valdyn | fasta: it wants kde |
| 22:38.00 | fasta | valdyn: I know |
| 22:38.05 | Guerin | if you run it, you might as well be running kde |
| 22:38.13 | valdyn | fasta: that's its standard - kde |
| 22:38.17 | Guerin | since all the libs are burning ram in the background |
| 22:38.36 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: well, yeah, but I was thinking more about the ao2_init part |
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| 22:38.54 | fasta | valdyn: The developer of Ion3 has a few more words to say about broken applications. |
| 22:39.05 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: you quit mplayer, incidentally it was executing code in module ao2_init |
| 22:39.16 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: that's a message you can just ignore |
| 22:39.31 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: errors will be flagged as such, warnings will be flagged as such |
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| 22:39.53 | zwox | how to remove "Debian GNU/Linux Lenny/Sid zwox tty" on the console prompt befor to login ? |
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| 22:40.19 | valdyn | fasta: sure i actually read that part, his whining is futile |
| 22:40.36 | fasta | valdyn: yes, whining usually is. |
| 22:40.39 | valdyn | fasta: when we are talking about apps that TRY to fit into their desktop environment, not into anything else.. |
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| 22:41.12 | piper69 | abrotman: what is it to get info about the newer packge |
| 22:41.26 | abrotman | !backports |
| 22:41.26 | dpkg | backports is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 22:44.31 | black_13 | when i run emacs i get funny block shapes where i should see fonts |
| 22:44.35 | lclimber | hello i hace been trying to install debian through network booting, but i ave a problem with tftp-hpa wich says "cannot bind to local socket: Address already in use", do any of you have a clue of why is this happening? |
| 22:44.35 | black_13 | how do i fix this? |
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| 22:46.54 | Azar | network booting... address already in use.... |
| 22:46.57 | felix | lclimber, Is the address:port in use? |
| 22:47.21 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: in fact this a silly message to be printed at all - by the developers - should only be there in debug mode or similar |
| 22:47.24 | lclimber | what port does it use? |
| 22:47.27 | Azar | might be that your network is using it? |
| 22:47.38 | dondelelcaro | black_13: do you see any characters? |
| 22:47.50 | [GABRI] | i have this error with strace uptime |
| 22:47.50 | black_13 | no just squares |
| 22:47.50 | xembrx | damn, I just realized the flash problems I was having is probably related to esound |
| 22:47.50 | lclimber | how do i change it |
| 22:47.51 | doudou | !find Gettext etch |
| 22:47.51 | [GABRI] | open("/proc/version", O_RDONLY) = -1 ELOOP (Too many levels of symbolic links) |
| 22:47.52 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'Gettext' (11): gettext ;; gettext-base ;; gettext-doc ;; gettext-el ;; libgettext-ruby-util ;; libgettext-ruby1.8 ;; libintl-gettext-ruby ;; libintl-gettext-ruby1.8 ;; liblocale-gettext-perl ;; php-gettext ;; smarty-gettext. |
| 22:47.53 | [GABRI] | why? |
| 22:48.06 | dondelelcaro | black_13: not even for normal latin script? |
| 22:48.22 | Azar | maybe his locales are in chinese |
| 22:48.25 | black_13 | yeah this is source code file (text) |
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| 22:48.40 | dondelelcaro | black_13: if so, then you probably don't have the default font for emacs installed, or have selected a font which does not support those glyphs |
| 22:48.43 | lclimber | felix: the port is not in use |
| 22:49.04 | dondelelcaro | black_13: does emacs -fn fixed; work? |
| 22:49.09 | tsrepadmin | if apache runs in chroot. will the exec function of php run as root? |
| 22:49.14 | black_13 | let me try |
| 22:49.29 | dondelelcaro | tsrepadmin: it'll run as whatever user is running php |
| 22:49.44 | tsrepadmin | php is running as www-data |
| 22:49.49 | dondelelcaro | tsrepadmin: if you're using the apache module, it'll be www-data. |
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| 22:49.57 | Azar | lclimber: why don't you just install it on one PC with the netinstall CD? |
| 22:50.29 | black_13 | i get Warning: Cannot convert string .... to FontStruct |
| 22:50.44 | lclimber | becouse i am trying a network install |
| 22:50.53 | black_13 | but i am able to see the text but its in a funny bitmappy font |
| 22:50.56 | tsrepadmin | dondelelcaro: and if i'm not using the module? |
| 22:51.12 | dondelelcaro | tsrepadmin: then the answer is still the same, but it could be more complicated if you're using suexec php |
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| 22:52.05 | Azar | lclimber: there are two types: server and desktop, which one you want? |
| 22:52.23 | maximusdoc | ciao a tutti |
| 22:52.46 | lclimber | i want server |
| 22:53.01 | tsrepadmin | dondelelcaro: well i only know: i'm using AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
| 22:53.03 | Azar | lclimber: see if this one helps: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch |
| 22:53.06 | maximusdoc | xdcc list |
| 22:53.15 | black_13 | dondelelcaro, where is what i get http://rafb.net/p/UikTE174.html |
| 22:53.28 | lclimber | ok, iĺl check it out |
| 22:54.50 | lclimber | no, i am trying to install a diskless computer from a tftp server |
| 22:55.11 | Azar | lclimber: ah.. I see.. |
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| 22:57.25 | maximusdoc | xdcc list |
| 22:57.37 | dondelelcaro | black_13: right, your font specification in your .emacs isn't going to work. |
| 22:57.46 | dondelelcaro | black_13: you'll have to fix it or otherwise override it |
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| 22:58.21 | black_13 | dondelelcaro, is it because i am missing fonts or emacs is incorrectly configured? |
| 22:58.23 | dondelelcaro | maximusdoc: this is not a warez channel |
| 22:58.30 | LivedRetsam | I am brazilian .. not speak very good english .. MY Send Email .. |
| 22:58.30 | LivedRetsam | it sends more does not arrive the email. they alguem helps me? |
| 22:58.38 | Azar | !br |
| 22:58.38 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:58.40 | dondelelcaro | black_13: one or the other. |
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| 22:59.24 | dondelelcaro | LivedRetsam: if #debian-br is unable to help you though, feel free to come back, and we'll try. |
| 22:59.27 | black_13 | well how do i tell if i have a minum number of fonts |
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| 22:59.40 | dondelelcaro | black_13: xfontsel will tell you if that font is available |
| 22:59.45 | LivedRetsam | dondek thanks |
| 22:59.46 | black_13 | ok thanks |
| 23:01.30 | black_13 | dondelelcaro, ists the foundry i should worry about? |
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| 23:02.52 | Azar | heh o/t news: intel + novell + M. Suttlew.. patrons of KDE |
| 23:03.24 | tsrepadmin | dondelcaro i guess i found out. how can i set up a chroot enviroment for a svn daemon? |
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| 23:04.01 | Guerin | adv0cate: intel trying to drive sales of quad-core CPUs? |
| 23:04.04 | Guerin | argh |
| 23:04.08 | Guerin | Azar: |
| 23:04.34 | LivedRetsam | dondelelcaro brazilian debian channel not responde :( |
| 23:04.44 | LivedRetsam | go try ... you help-me ? |
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| 23:05.25 | Azar | Guerin: commercial wheels.. eh |
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| 23:05.33 | tsrepadmin | how can i setup a chroot environment for a svn daemon |
| 23:06.00 | Azar | at least we got some hardware giants looking into linux's needs |
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| 23:06.35 | Azar | dondelecaro your help is requested.. :) |
| 23:06.54 | Azar | LivedRetsam: try to type clearly your problem |
| 23:07.07 | LivedRetsam | i use sendemail in debian |
| 23:07.13 | DawnLight | !hellp |
| 23:07.14 | Azar | ok, good |
| 23:07.26 | LivedRetsam | however I sending the email and it does not arrive |
| 23:07.26 | DawnLight | !are you here? |
| 23:07.27 | dpkg | Yes, I'm right here, dawnlight. |
| 23:07.40 | [GABRI] | i have problem with BitchX and chrooted environement: http://rafb.net/p/Zr9e6F90.html |
| 23:07.53 | Azar | LivedRetsam: send goes ok, but you can not receive ? |
| 23:08.01 | LivedRetsam | yeah |
| 23:08.23 | Azar | DawnLight: use /msg dpkg for your needs please |
| 23:08.32 | LivedRetsam | |
| 23:08.33 | LivedRetsam | I believe that the sending this being without problems |
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| 23:08.47 | LivedRetsam | i believe .. |
| 23:08.52 | Azar | dondelelcaro: ^^^^^^ @ LivedRetsam |
| 23:08.56 | jonaskoelker | wee, now it works |
| 23:08.58 | jonaskoelker | ^_^ |
| 23:09.02 | jonaskoelker | me kicks his puter |
| 23:09.02 | juanramb | LivedRetsam: your port 25 (smtp) should be accesible from outside |
| 23:09.05 | jonaskoelker | I hate linux |
| 23:09.05 | jonaskoelker | :D |
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| 23:09.13 | LivedRetsam | juanramb yeah |
| 23:09.16 | LivedRetsam | iptables -F |
| 23:09.20 | LivedRetsam | and not router connection |
| 23:09.38 | Azar | LivedRetsam: port 25 is released / closed by your ISP (internet service provider) |
| 23:09.42 | Absolute0 | i found a hard drive and i plugged it in how can i mount and see if it works? |
| 23:09.47 | Absolute0 | dmesg wont show it |
| 23:09.51 | DawnLight | dpkg doesn't know about installation report. where does one file an installation report? |
| 23:09.57 | jonaskoelker | everybody, thank you for your patience and advice :) |
| 23:09.58 | Absolute0 | but it was detected at boot time |
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| 23:10.09 | Absolute0 | hdc1 ? |
| 23:10.15 | LivedRetsam | Azar not .. |
| 23:10.20 | LivedRetsam | port 25 is ok ! |
| 23:10.24 | Azar | DawnLight: /msg dpkg bug report |
| 23:10.28 | Absolute0 | i have a feeling it has windows me installed on it.. |
| 23:10.34 | juanramb | LivedRetsam: check the logs /var/log/mail.log or /var/log/mail.err |
| 23:10.41 | LivedRetsam | one moment |
| 23:11.09 | LivedRetsam | not exists mail.log or mail.err |
| 23:11.10 | LivedRetsam | :( |
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| 23:11.35 | Azar | LivedRetsam: see what you have in /var/log ... something with mail? |
| 23:11.54 | LivedRetsam | root@w-xyz:/var/log# ls |
| 23:11.54 | LivedRetsam | apache2 btmp debug faillog ksymoops messages news samba syslog |
| 23:11.54 | LivedRetsam | boot clamav dmesg fsck lastlog mysql ntpstats squid wtmp |
| 23:12.01 | LivedRetsam | email not exists |
| 23:12.03 | LivedRetsam | :( |
| 23:12.17 | juanramb | Absolute0: dmesg | grep hd |
| 23:12.53 | Azar | nor auth.log... hmm |
| 23:12.55 | juanramb | LivedRetsam: maybe sendmail puts its logs on /var/log/syslog (haven't used sendmail) |
| 23:13.08 | Absolute0 | juanramb: err its not detected in gparted :( |
| 23:13.10 | DawnLight | Azar: i don't understand where dpkg points me at when i query "bug report" |
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| 23:13.23 | Absolute0 | juanramb: does that mean its not detected at all or i still have a chance? |
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| 23:13.35 | juanramb | Absolute0: check your jumper settings |
| 23:13.37 | Azar | DawnLight: it gives you the website where you damn go and read, how to report |
| 23:13.43 | Absolute0 | yup |
| 23:13.47 | Absolute0 | ok let me reboot... |
| 23:14.02 | davidh | when I boot up my computer, how do I stop from entering the gnome? |
| 23:14.17 | davidh | I want to have just console terminal to reconfigure my terminal |
| 23:14.21 | dondelelcaro | LivedRetsam: are you planning on receiving mail on this machine? |
| 23:14.28 | dondelelcaro | LivedRetsam: or are you just going to be sending mail? |
| 23:14.33 | LivedRetsam | send |
| 23:14.40 | juanramb | Absolute0: the master/slave settings on your ides, you must not have two masters on the same channel :) |
| 23:14.48 | Azar | LivedRetsam: and... receive as well? |
| 23:15.02 | LivedRetsam | hotmail |
| 23:15.04 | [GABRI] | i have problem with BitchX and chrooted environement: http://rafb.net/p/Zr9e6F90.html how i can fix the problem? |
| 23:15.10 | dondelelcaro | LivedRetsam: ok; do you know your ISP's smtp server? |
| 23:15.16 | Azar | LivedRetsam: you want >>send + <<<receive? |
| 23:15.30 | dondelelcaro | Azar: he's using hotmail to receive, and just wants to send mail using his computer |
| 23:15.40 | Azar | oh |
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| 23:15.55 | streuner | hotmail supports smarthost? |
| 23:16.00 | davidh | what command do I use to enter console terminal instead of gnome when i boot the computer up? |
| 23:16.13 | dondelelcaro | streuner: no, it doesn't matter so long as you set From: appropriately |
| 23:16.24 | davidh | any help? |
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| 23:16.32 | dondelelcaro | !nodm |
| 23:16.32 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 23:16.54 | davidh | dondelelcaro: can you help? |
| 23:16.54 | Azar | dondelelcaro: < DawnLight> yeah -- to < Azar> LivedRetsam: send goes ok, but you can not receive ? |
| 23:16.57 | LivedRetsam | Jul 7 17:34:34 w-xyz postfix/error[21440]: 7BE5D27307E: to=<lukinhass_17@hotmail.com>, relay=none, delay=151, delays=0.01/151/0/0.68, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (delivery temporarily suspended: connect to mx3.hotmail.com[65.54.244.72]: Connection timed out) |
| 23:17.00 | unlink | when i try to run kvm, i get the error "kvm kernel version too old: KVM_GET_API_VERSION ioctl not supported" with a debian kernel. it works with a homebrew kernel though. |
| 23:17.28 | juanramb | LivedRetsam: you cannot use hotmail as a smarthost :) |
| 23:17.33 | dondelelcaro | LivedRetsam: yeah, that's fine. Your mailserver is running properly, it's just hotmail timing out. |
| 23:17.41 | dondelelcaro | juanramb: he's sending mail to hotmail, so that's fine. |
| 23:18.04 | dondelelcaro | LivedRetsam: it'll retry eventually and should succeed. |
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| 23:18.13 | juanramb | ok, you can try to send an email to another address |
| 23:18.25 | LivedRetsam | my script |
| 23:18.30 | LivedRetsam | open (SENDMAIL, "| $sendmail -t"); |
| 23:18.30 | LivedRetsam | print SENDMAIL "$mailtype\n"; |
| 23:18.30 | LivedRetsam | print SENDMAIL "Subject: $subject\n"; |
| 23:18.30 | LivedRetsam | print SENDMAIL "From: $sender\n"; |
| 23:18.30 | LivedRetsam | print SENDMAIL "To: $recipient\n\n"; |
| 23:18.30 | LivedRetsam | print SENDMAIL "$corpo\n\n"; |
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| 23:18.33 | dondelelcaro | (assuming your ISP isn't blocking port 25) |
| 23:18.33 | Azar | dondelelcaro: hotmail has some limitations, restrictions I guess on some received mails.. |
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| 23:18.43 | LivedRetsam | sorry |
| 23:18.44 | LivedRetsam | ;) |
| 23:18.46 | dondelelcaro | LivedRetsam: don't paste here; your script is fine. |
| 23:19.17 | dondelelcaro | LivedRetsam: you've actually queued the mail with postfix, and it's attempting to send it, but hotmail is not connecting for whatever reason. |
| 23:19.21 | davidh | any help on how to enter console instead of gnome? |
| 23:19.28 | Azar | LivedRetsam: check the limitations imposed on your hotmail account, it might block mails from particular addresses |
| 23:19.32 | davidh | when I boot the computer up? |
| 23:19.33 | dondelelcaro | davidh: read up where dpkg answered my nodm query. |
| 23:19.48 | streuner | there are some mail-providers (for free) which support smarthost, but i didnt find some in US :-) |
| 23:19.51 | dondelelcaro | davidh: you want to remove gdm, xdm, kdm, wdm, or whatever dm you're actually using. |
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| 23:20.00 | [GABRI] | i need help people with bitchx and chrooted environement |
| 23:20.03 | [GABRI] | i am desesperating |
| 23:20.12 | Azar | LivedRetsam: try with yahoo.. or gmail |
| 23:20.14 | dondelelcaro | [GABRI]: why are you even using bitchx? |
| 23:20.25 | davidh | dondelelcaro: i am sorry, I don't follow you |
| 23:20.30 | [GABRI] | mm dondelelcaro i have a error |
| 23:20.34 | dondelelcaro | !tell davidh -about nodm |
| 23:20.40 | LivedRetsam | |
| 23:20.41 | LivedRetsam | I understand, then is impossible to send emails pro hotmail using sendmail? |
| 23:20.49 | unlink | what's the best way to install scim support? |
| 23:21.00 | dondelelcaro | LivedRetsam: it's possible, it just may not be possible for you to send it directly. |
| 23:21.01 | Azar | LivedRetsam: check the hotmail terms and conditions, ms seems to censor mail |
| 23:21.02 | unlink | for everyone |
| 23:21.08 | juanramb | davidh: if you use grub, normally there is a boot option named single |
| 23:21.10 | dondelelcaro | LivedRetsam: you may have to send it through your ISPs smarthosts |
| 23:21.45 | juanramb | dondelelcaro: i do not think so |
| 23:22.08 | davidh | juanramb: there is one called system recovery something |
| 23:22.21 | davidh | is it the one I should use to boot |
| 23:22.24 | davidh | ? |
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| 23:22.35 | LivedRetsam | i try send gmail ! |
| 23:22.36 | LivedRetsam | one moment |
| 23:23.00 | dondelelcaro | juanramb: that's single usermode, it's not the same as booting without using your DM. |
| 23:23.12 | zaius | damn having a common name like 'david' |
| 23:23.16 | zaius | my hilight is going crazy |
| 23:23.17 | juanramb | davidh: tell us about your needs, why don't you want that |
| 23:23.44 | juanramb | dondelelcaro: i know, but gives similar results |
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| 23:25.39 | ehc | is there a program that will allow me to select some part of the screen and screenshot that? |
| 23:25.57 | streuner | use gimp :-) |
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| 23:26.11 | Absolute0 | ok i figured out the windows partition is fat32 do i need some special lines in /boot/grub/menu.lst or the regular ntfs boot up ones will work? |
| 23:26.25 | Absolute0 | i also have makeactive and its not working.. |
| 23:26.34 | LivedRetsam | thanks friends go to sleep now .. after i re-try |
| 23:26.35 | LivedRetsam | ;\ |
| 23:26.37 | ricky | ehc: This would probably be complete overkill, but Compiz has that functionality. |
| 23:27.08 | IsaqueFD_ | :D |
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| 23:27.38 | ehc | ricky, okay. :) |
| 23:28.05 | juanramb | Absolute0: do you have the statement: chainloader +1 |
| 23:28.53 | Absolute0 | yes |
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| 23:29.18 | Absolute0 | juanramb: title Windows 95/98/NT/2000 |
| 23:29.18 | Absolute0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.18 | Absolute0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.18 | Absolute0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:29.35 | Absolute0 | sorry about that |
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| 23:30.04 | Absolute0 | juanramb: i am just uncommented the lines in the default in the file for windows.. |
| 23:30.05 | juanramb | Absolute0: are you sure it is (hd2,0)? :) |
| 23:30.12 | Absolute0 | its hdd |
| 23:30.16 | Absolute0 | what can it be? |
| 23:30.24 | Absolute0 | /dev/hdd |
| 23:30.31 | Absolute0 | thats how gparted picks it up |
| 23:30.41 | utopia_ | god they should rename iceweasal to unstable |
| 23:30.44 | Absolute0 | i have 3 hardrieves |
| 23:30.48 | Absolute0 | this one is the third.. |
| 23:30.59 | Absolute0 | oh d is 4 :-P |
| 23:31.04 | Absolute0 | correct? |
| 23:31.06 | juanramb | :) |
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| 23:31.09 | juanramb | i should |
| 23:31.14 | davidh | juanramb: Actually I am able to get into command prompt by booting into system mode |
| 23:31.16 | juanramb | it should |
| 23:31.27 | Absolute0 | let me try (hd3,0) |
| 23:31.35 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 23:32.01 | juanramb | davidh: you can get into command prompt even if gdm starts |
| 23:32.02 | Absolute0 | i was running out of cables so i used the connectors for my dvd drive instead.. |
| 23:32.28 | Absolute0 | juanramb: do i need the 'makeactive' line? |
| 23:32.41 | davidh | juanramb: What I need to I am using a debian distribution (2.6) with dell monitor. Now I have a LCD monitor (hp), I want to reconfigure x to use the terminal |
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| 23:33.22 | DawnLight | just to make sure, dpkg thought that bug report is "http://www.handhelds.org/bugzilla" and i've told him that it's... |
| 23:33.22 | DawnLight | !bug report |
| 23:33.22 | dpkg | bug report is probably http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 23:33.22 | davidh | Now I have console command prompt, after reconfiguration, it seems that it still could not display on the new monitor |
| 23:33.46 | juanramb | Absolute0: not sure, but you can try to edit the boot statement if it does not work |
| 23:33.46 | davidh | it may get something with the monitor configuration |
| 23:34.32 | juanramb | davidh: I have not understood what you exactly are trying to do |
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| 23:35.10 | davidh | juanramb: i need to reconfigure so that I can use a new LCD monitor |
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| 23:35.34 | davidh | the new lcd is HP 1502 |
| 23:35.46 | citkast | im new to debian, could anyone explain why there is no /sbin/hotplug? should i install the hotplug package? a PCMCIA ethernet card has been working |
| 23:35.46 | juanramb | davidh: ok, it seems your vertical refresh freq is out of range |
| 23:36.05 | davidh | juanramb: it is a small monitor |
| 23:36.18 | davidh | How do I determine these parameters? |
| 23:36.43 | juanramb | davidh: your vertical refresh must not be higher than 60 hz |
| 23:37.02 | juanramb | davidh: it is on your xorg.conf file |
| 23:37.22 | juanramb | davidh: (in case you are using xorg) |
| 23:37.54 | juanramb | davidh: i mean /etc/X11/xorg.conf ;) |
| 23:37.55 | davidh | juanramb: I tell you what question it is aksing when it boot up |
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| 23:38.25 | juanramb | davidh: forget about the boot stuff |
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| 23:39.08 | davidh | juanramb: tell me what I should do |
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| 23:40.36 | juanramb | davidh: grep Hor /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 23:41.17 | Absolute0 | juanramb: (hda3,0) fails but (hda2,0) seems to load but then it just freezes after it says that the partition is of type fat ... |
| 23:41.48 | Absolute0 | i took out makeactive and it doesnt help.. |
| 23:41.48 | juanramb | Absolute0: are you sure there is a windows install there? |
| 23:41.57 | Absolute0 | ye i mounted the partition.. |
| 23:42.08 | Absolute0 | has all the windows dirs and such.. |
| 23:42.26 | Absolute0 | america online aim :-P |
| 23:42.33 | Absolute0 | some games collection |
| 23:42.37 | Absolute0 | and a windows dir |
| 23:42.38 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 23:42.52 | Absolute0 | i dont want to partition it just yet |
| 23:43.01 | Absolute0 | maybe it has something valuable i can use |
| 23:43.05 | Absolute0 | i just installed wine.. |
| 23:43.08 | Absolute0 | let me give it a go.. |
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| 23:43.20 | juanramb | :) |
