| 00:00.49 | mbor | ricky: it says starting. no errors |
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| 00:01.42 | bagside | hi all |
| 00:01.43 | bagside | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:02.13 | predder | somevariable=`echo "hello.png" | cut -f1 -d"."` |
| 00:03.03 | ricky | bagside: variable=`basename hello.png .png` |
| 00:03.12 | ricky | ^Nicer way of doing the same thing. |
| 00:03.18 | bagside | thanks |
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| 00:04.11 | MONO` | is their a bash way of repairing sectors? |
| 00:04.42 | MONO` | oh |
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| 00:05.12 | Posterdati | hi |
| 00:05.32 | Posterdati | please I couldn't make ksensors show hddtemp output :( |
| 00:05.35 | mbor | ricky: so it seems to be starting even though it can't upgrade |
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| 00:05.52 | x_link_ | d |
| 00:06.31 | MONO` | mrsno: so you need an os to run testdisk...? |
| 00:06.39 | demo_ | is it very difficult to patch a kernel? it sounds scary and i do not understand this http://www.phoronix.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-1033.html |
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| 00:07.14 | mrsno | MONO` its a bootable iso image |
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| 00:07.32 | MONO` | mrsno: i see nothing of the such, i see operating system specific downloads |
| 00:07.37 | mrsno | demo_ do you have kernel 2.6.18 installed? it doesn't have the paravirt_ops problem |
| 00:07.43 | ricky | mbor: Hmm.. I've never dist-upgraded myself, so I'm not sure what that would happen. |
| 00:08.10 | demo_ | 2.6.18 will not allow me to use my wifi card :( |
| 00:08.24 | mbor | ricky: okay, but let us focus on my apache2 problem instead. it is critical that I get apache2 up and running soon |
| 00:08.35 | mrsno | oh MONO` i got confused sorry, testdisk is on ultimate bootcd, which is a bootable iso |
| 00:08.48 | MONO` | mrsno: um it's on UBCD? |
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| 00:09.18 | mrsno | MONO` indeed |
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| 00:09.50 | ricky | mbor: OK- so does apache2.conf include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load and /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.conf? |
| 00:09.59 | mbor | ricky: yes |
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| 00:10.02 | paradidactic | hm |
| 00:10.10 | paradidactic | damn the perl room banned me |
| 00:10.13 | stoned | home sweet home |
| 00:10.18 | paradidactic | how do I get mirc to hide who I am? |
| 00:10.19 | stoned | x_link_: hey whats up im home now |
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| 00:10.29 | ricky | mbor: And can you pastebin the entire output of /etc/init.d/apache2 start? |
| 00:10.36 | stoned | paradidactic: you are asking for mirc support on #debian |
| 00:10.43 | stoned | you see anything wrong with this picture? |
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| 00:10.46 | stoned | cuz you should. |
| 00:10.48 | paradidactic | yeah the mirc room is stinkin |
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| 00:11.18 | ricky | paradidactic: Ban evasion will likely get you in worse trouble. |
| 00:11.24 | mbor | ricky: hang on, waiting for pastebin |
| 00:11.31 | ricky | paradidactic: Perhaps try talking to the op that banned you? |
| 00:11.32 | mrsno | demo_ have you checked forums.debian.net? for said error |
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| 00:13.29 | Maerz | hmm i changed my fonts in xchat, and now the last letter is mostly only half-visible |
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| 00:13.31 | mbor | ricky: http://pastebin.com/945436 |
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| 00:13.52 | PerfDave | Maerz: You're using xcha? |
| 00:13.57 | Maerz | yes |
| 00:14.07 | ricky | mbor: By the way, does the new/default apache2.conf work properly (as opposed to the one that you kept)? |
| 00:14.33 | mbor | ricky: I think I kept my apache2.conf - where is the new apache2.conf located? |
| 00:14.48 | tuxx | hey guys |
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| 00:14.54 | tuxx | i managed to get cacti working |
| 00:14.57 | Maerz | PerfDave is it sth special that i use it, or why do you ask? |
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| 00:15.06 | tuxx | i was wondering |
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| 00:15.12 | PerfDave | Maerz: n/m :) |
| 00:15.14 | tuxx | does anyone know what the difference is between: |
| 00:15.18 | Maerz | alright |
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| 00:15.37 | tuxx | cisco cpu usage / ucd/net cpu usage and load average? |
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| 00:16.31 | mbor | ricky: I can't even try to reinstall apache2. I get that error while processing at |
| 00:16.34 | holycow | is the gcc that comes with etch (4.1.1-15) the same version of gcc that the kernel is built with? |
| 00:16.46 | stoned | man picture on my monitor was shaking so bad |
| 00:16.49 | ricky | mbor: Oh- just copy your conf elsewhere and install apache2/accept the new ones. If those work, then you just have to re-customize them a bit. |
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| 00:17.21 | stoned | i just turned it on thats all I did, and it was shaking violently. I dropped the refresh rate down to 60 and its stable. Its worked on 85Hz @ 1600x1200 for years |
| 00:17.23 | MONO` | mrsno: um i don see it |
| 00:17.32 | mbor | ricky: but I can't even reinstall apache2 because of the 'at' package |
| 00:17.33 | stoned | I dunno what suddenly happened or could cause that |
| 00:17.43 | stoned | !paster |
| 00:17.44 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:17.51 | stoned | this is quite fast ricky |
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| 00:18.00 | mrsno | MONO` under partitoon tools |
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| 00:18.18 | MONO` | ah ok |
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| 00:18.38 | ricky | stoned: Never mind- it isn't slow anymore :) |
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| 00:18.58 | ricky | stoned: (It was for another something that mbor posted) |
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| 00:19.38 | ricky | mbor: Well, I don't see any errors about Order anymore- disable mod_evasive for now and it should start: a2dismod mod_evasive20 |
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| 00:19.52 | ricky | mbor: Looks like that's for apache 2.0, whereas you're running something higher (I guess). |
| 00:21.00 | mbor | ricky: mod_evasive20 doesn't exist. I'll comment them out |
| 00:21.11 | mbor | ricky: so I have another version of apache2? :S |
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| 00:22.07 | ricky | mbor: No, I think you were just trying to load a 2.0 module in 2.2. |
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| 00:23.00 | mbor | ricky: but I can't install apache2 again since it gives me that error about 'at' |
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| 00:25.20 | mbor | ricky: http://pastebin.com/945449 here |
| 00:25.35 | mbor | anyone else can help too: I get this weird message while I try to dist-upgrade: http://pastebin.com/945449 |
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| 00:26.38 | mrsno | mbor pastebin.com is so slow :< |
| 00:26.47 | mrsno | would appreciate a mirror |
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| 00:27.33 | holycow | is the vesion of gcc shipped with etch the same as used for compiling kernel and modules? |
| 00:27.40 | ricky | mbor: You don't have to- just a2dismod evasive and try starting apache. |
| 00:27.40 | ricky | (Sorry- it was evasive, not mod_evasive20) |
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| 00:28.10 | mbor | mrsno: http://pastebin.ca/611606 |
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| 00:28.56 | ricky | mbor: Did starting apache work? |
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| 00:29.03 | mbor | ricky: now it whines about an unknown command 'Alias' in apache2.conf |
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| 00:29.18 | fungo | i'll install nvidia-glx in my i386 chroot, so i can use hardware acceleration, but it depends on nvidia-kernel and linux-image stuff i don't need, how can i think it's installed? |
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| 00:29.26 | fungo | make it think it's installed* |
| 00:29.34 | mbor | ricky: I need to reinstall apache2 to make a new apache2.conf but I can't because of that weird at error |
| 00:29.37 | nse | what is the algebirc form of a line in a 3d space? |
| 00:29.41 | mrsno | mbor what does dpkg-reconfigure at say |
| 00:29.59 | mbor | mrsno: that it is broken or not fully installed |
| 00:30.06 | Arafangi1n | nse: ax+by+cz+d=0 |
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| 00:30.25 | Macskeeball | I just made a blog entry about using cron and Twitter for automated notifications of update availability. I thought others might find it useful, and would appreciate some thoughts on it. |
| 00:30.25 | Arafangi1n | nse: For cartesian coords, anyway. |
| 00:30.39 | Macskeeball | The blog post is here: http://macskeeball.wordpress.com/2007/07/10/using-twitter-for-software-update-notifications |
| 00:30.53 | stoned | http://omega.albany.edu:8008/mat220dir/ga3d-dir/GA3d.html |
| 00:31.18 | Azar | hey nice, thank you Macskeeball |
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| 00:31.34 | stoned | Azar: yo sup |
| 00:31.44 | stoned | I'm on my last bag man |
| 00:31.52 | stoned | gonna finish it off and quit for a very long time again |
| 00:31.53 | stoned | :D |
| 00:31.57 | Azar | stoned: :) hey how you doing? |
| 00:32.05 | stoned | I'm doing great |
| 00:32.17 | stoned | I got paid today, I haven't seen this much money since I worked for dell |
| 00:32.20 | Azar | baking in NY |
| 00:32.25 | mrsno | mbor im not sure if trying to remove at will help, something sounds broken |
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| 00:32.31 | Azar | yeee, stoned with money |
| 00:32.38 | MangosDebian | stoned: can you do me a favour and ctcp me once please? anything will do. |
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| 00:32.42 | mbor | mrsno: I've tried that. same thing |
| 00:32.46 | stoned | then again, the only thing I did with myself after dell was move and sell clothes at macys |
| 00:32.49 | stoned | lol |
| 00:32.55 | stoned | now im back in the game |
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| 00:33.03 | Macskeeball | Azar: You're welcome. I've been doing this for a few days now and it's handy for my headless server, since my ISP blocks me from running my own mail server. |
| 00:33.04 | Azar | nice |
| 00:33.06 | stoned | I just got assigned a new project. |
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| 00:33.17 | stoned | I'm the head web dev now where I work |
| 00:33.25 | stoned | my boss contracts that stuff too |
| 00:33.33 | stoned | its cool man i love my job |
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| 00:33.51 | stoned | MangosDebian: ok |
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| 00:33.56 | Azar | Macskeeball: that's very nice |
| 00:34.17 | Azar | stoned: that's important, to do something you like and be paid for |
| 00:34.24 | stoned | ok Azar |
| 00:34.26 | stoned | check this out |
| 00:34.31 | Azar | :D |
| 00:34.35 | stoned | I do at work, what I would do at home, if I were to stay home. |
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| 00:34.49 | stoned | its just that I'm NOT home when I'm at work, thats about all |
| 00:34.55 | stoned | only difference |
| 00:35.02 | Azar | I'm home for the past 5 weeks and getting paid for and I hate it |
| 00:35.06 | stoned | Azar: and you are correct, it is very important to find the job you like |
| 00:35.57 | Azar | hopefully two more weeks then I finally go back at work |
| 00:36.03 | stoned | cool cool |
| 00:36.20 | stoned | glad you're getting bette |
| 00:36.43 | stoned | well since you been staying home we get to see a lot more of you hehe :D |
| 00:36.47 | Azar | I would go right now but my feet still swollen can't wear shoes |
| 00:37.08 | DawnLight | how do i make my debian box do NAT? |
| 00:37.25 | stoned | iptables + dual nic |
| 00:37.27 | MangosDebian | stoned: i take it you send one already? |
| 00:37.30 | inazad | It is possible to recreate a private key with the public key ? |
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| 00:37.34 | stoned | MangosDebian: yes a while ago |
| 00:37.50 | epsilon | inazad: nope |
| 00:37.52 | Macskeeball | inazad: no |
| 00:37.52 | MangosDebian | stoned: ok, was +C, all i needed to know, thanks |
| 00:37.54 | ricky | inazad: Nope- that's why the public key is public. |
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| 00:38.25 | Azar | wow Samba goes GPLv3 |
| 00:38.38 | inazad | Because I have a signed file I want to recover my original file.. ( I don't have it.. I erased it) |
| 00:39.00 | epsilon | Azar: WE ALL GONNA DIE1111111 |
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| 00:39.10 | Azar | hehe |
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| 00:39.32 | epsilon | wait, isn't Samba support in the kernel which is GPLv2? |
| 00:39.49 | Azar | epsilon: the future Samba versions, not the actual one |
| 00:40.11 | Azar | nah , don't think so |
| 00:40.24 | epsilon | na, as long the kernel stays v2? |
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| 00:40.43 | stoned | what is wrong with gplv3 |
| 00:41.03 | Azar | dunno... but I guess debian team might not wanna bother with it |
| 00:41.13 | DawnLight | how hard would it be for me, not knowing any programming language, to make a simple, few times a day irrigation script that sends commands to a com port? |
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| 00:41.45 | Azar | I think it gonna be ok that Debian gonna have mixed packages v2 and v3 |
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| 00:42.15 | stoned | DawnLight: if you know the command just cron it |
| 00:42.20 | epsilon | well, Debian is a distribution, it can't have v2 or v3 itself |
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| 00:42.53 | Azar | epsilon: there are tons and tons of packages in Debian... some of them might have different versions in the future |
| 00:42.58 | Arafangi1n | Sometimes debian may have both versions, but they are not neccessarily "mixed". |
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| 00:43.23 | epsilon | debian has more than these 2, look at non-free section |
| 00:43.23 | xacier_ | hmm, my first install of debian crashed just under two hours of usage |
| 00:43.29 | Azar | yo, as long as is gpl.... gonna work |
| 00:43.30 | xacier_ | what is up? |
| 00:43.36 | Arafangi1n | xacier_: Bad memory? |
| 00:43.41 | xacier_ | dunno |
| 00:43.42 | stoned | xacier_: care to be a bit more specific? |
| 00:43.46 | epsilon | explain "crash" |
| 00:43.59 | xacier_ | um, i was using dillo to download porn |
| 00:44.09 | xacier_ | um, then it just hanged |
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| 00:44.21 | xacier_ | i had to pull the power plug |
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| 00:44.34 | Azar | epsilon: I am not sure never asked how exactly works but in my perception , non-free is just a courtesy repo... not actually related with the official Debian |
| 00:44.36 | xacier_ | on/off button didn't work |
| 00:44.46 | Arafangi1n | xacier_: Did you try killing X11, or switching to a virtual console? |
| 00:44.55 | xacier_ | hmm |
| 00:44.55 | DawnLight | so i'll need to learn cron and shooting through com ports |
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| 00:45.19 | xacier_ | don't remember, but i was killing something aka destroying in debian |
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| 00:45.46 | epsilon | xacier_: in case of koitus interruptus, check the hardware first, starting with memtest86+ and your RAM |
| 00:45.57 | Azar | epsilon: hahahahahaha!!! |
| 00:46.07 | sandman | What's the point in /opt versus /usr/local ? |
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| 00:46.14 | sandman | I thought /usr/local/ was the standard? |
| 00:46.20 | xacier_ | is it really this unstable? |
| 00:46.21 | unlink | how do i implement a "default quota" policy? |
| 00:46.29 | abrotman | sandman: admin discretion |
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| 00:46.46 | abrotman | !fsh |
| 00:46.48 | abrotman | !lsb |
| 00:46.49 | dpkg | somebody said lsb was The Linux Standard Base, a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. More information can be found at http://www.linuxbase.org/, or very incomplete |
| 00:46.53 | DawnLight | what do i need to have in my routing table to enable NAT? |
| 00:47.04 | xacier_ | i mean besides windows, this is the next crashest thing |
| 00:47.08 | Azar | good day mister abrotman, what a pleasure to see you around again.. |
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| 00:47.22 | abrotman | Azar: bite me! |
| 00:47.26 | Azar | :D |
| 00:47.34 | stoned | DawnLight: http://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+setup+nat+in+linux&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS230US230 |
| 00:47.36 | epsilon | sandman: if you compile a software from source, it usualy installs in /usr/local. but /opt is supposed to be installed custom software, too - your dicision to install where |
| 00:47.39 | stoned | seriously... |
| 00:47.43 | unlink | for instance, setting a quota for users as they are created |
| 00:47.53 | DawnLight | nice of you :) |
| 00:47.57 | stoned | yeh |
| 00:48.31 | Arafangi1n | epsilon: /opt is more for software that doesn't quite fit into the standard package organization. |
| 00:48.31 | Macskeeball | xacier: Debian Etch works great for me. Extremely stable for my usage of it as a headless home server. |
| 00:48.36 | unlink | /usr/local is for site-local packages. /opt is for optional binary packages. |
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| 00:48.45 | stoned | dude etch has NEVER ever crashed on me |
| 00:48.48 | Arafangi1n | epsilon: I used to put Java into /opt/sun/java, for example. |
| 00:48.56 | stoned | not even an app, never has stable crashed on me |
| 00:49.17 | Macskeeball | Exactly, it just sits there and works. |
| 00:49.25 | stoned | sid rarely crashes too, maybe an app will screw up here and there, but debian overall is one of the most stable distros out there |
| 00:49.25 | xacier_ | is there a similar util such as fcsk? |
| 00:49.31 | abrotman | like fsck ? |
| 00:49.34 | xacier_ | yeah |
| 00:49.36 | epsilon | Arafangi1n: dito, I have /opt/java/jre pointing on /opt/java/jre<version> |
| 00:49.48 | DawnLight | bash: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward: Permission denied |
| 00:49.58 | xacier_ | hmm |
| 00:50.00 | epsilon | are you root? |
| 00:50.04 | Arafangi1n | abrotman: Be careful with him :) |
| 00:50.06 | DawnLight | sudo |
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| 00:50.29 | stoned | DawnLight: read and understand how it works. iptables is easy to figure out. until you understand what you are doing, you'll only constantly ask how to do this and how to do that. |
| 00:50.41 | DawnLight | got it |
| 00:51.07 | Azar | MUI, thats a really cool idea! mouseless user interface |
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| 00:51.22 | Arafangi1n | Azar: Shouldn't that be MlUI? |
| 00:51.30 | stoned | mouseless is one word |
| 00:51.35 | Azar | Arafangi1n: why? |
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| 00:51.38 | xacier_ | is there a util to check the file system? |
| 00:51.44 | stoned | fsck |
| 00:51.48 | Azar | ok MGUI |
| 00:51.59 | xacier_ | fsck doesn't work |
| 00:52.01 | Arafangi1n | The useage of a word in an abbreviation is rarely to imply the /negative/. |
| 00:52.01 | abrotman | like fsck ? |
| 00:52.07 | stoned | !doesn't work |
| 00:52.07 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 00:52.29 | Azar | the mouse was misused, overused and abused for a decade... let's give it a break |
| 00:52.47 | Arafangi1n | abrotman: You're dealing with a person who's highly developmental and unstable but unfinished web browser crashed - so they pulled the power plug.. |
| 00:52.57 | stoned | Azar: people need to stop having kids for like a decade or two |
| 00:53.05 | Azar | stoned: right! |
| 00:53.09 | unlink | stoned: you can |
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| 00:53.16 | stoned | I'm not people |
| 00:53.17 | abrotman | Arafangi1n: epiphamny is pretty good |
| 00:53.18 | DawnLight | is /sbin/iptables same as ip? |
| 00:53.21 | stoned | I'm A person |
| 00:53.35 | unlink | stoned: you \in people |
| 00:53.37 | Arafangi1n | abrotman: The web browser in question is Dillo. |
| 00:53.40 | Azar | stoned: a naughty one too |
| 00:53.41 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:53.44 | stoned | heh |
| 00:53.46 | ice63 | stoned: you are ) |
| 00:53.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: ? |
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| 00:54.15 | stoned | I'm a close perentheses? |
| 00:54.18 | stoned | what? |
| 00:54.23 | xacier_ | geee, this ain't pretty |
| 00:55.46 | xacier_ | what is up? stoned man |
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| 00:56.16 | Arafangi1n | xacier_: He's just a little upset at the moment, leave him be. |
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| 00:56.31 | xacier_ | fsck is running like crazy |
| 00:56.42 | xacier_ | spilling codes |
| 00:56.54 | epsilon | DawnLight: it's little older, but this teached me how to setup NAT first time: http://www.e-infomax.com/ipmasq/howto/c-html/index.html - you probably use 2.4 or 2.6 kernel, so read the sections with iptables (not ipfwadm with is for far older kernel) |
| 00:57.05 | stoned | I'm not upset |
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| 00:57.23 | stoned | I don't see why I would be upset |
| 00:57.53 | xacier_ | do you see a sun on the sky? |
| 00:57.55 | Azar | code spillage.. |
| 00:57.59 | stoned | no, its nighttime |
| 00:58.04 | stoned | sun is on the other side of the world |
| 00:58.05 | xacier_ | oh |
| 00:58.05 | Azar | close the freeway for cleanup |
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| 00:58.28 | epsilon | no, it's a grafic error |
| 00:58.44 | xacier_ | hmmm ok |
| 00:58.46 | stoned | grafic |
| 00:58.49 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:58.53 | Azar | euro word |
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| 00:59.10 | Macskeeball | hehe |
| 00:59.11 | epsilon | just blend the sun out, correct the gamma and you'll have night as supposed |
| 00:59.14 | Azar | stoned: ever played the "replace f with ph and ph with f" game? |
| 00:59.15 | Macskeeball | perentheses |
| 00:59.24 | stoned | nope |
| 00:59.28 | Azar | is phun |
| 00:59.31 | stoned | lol |
| 00:59.41 | stoned | I'm getting phat |
| 00:59.46 | stoned | I'm like 160lbs now man |
| 00:59.47 | Macskeeball | It's parenthesis. :p |
| 00:59.52 | stoned | I used to be 140 few months ago |
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| 01:00.01 | Azar | go phor a diet my phriend |
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| 01:00.12 | karmatronic | cant compile mplayer with jack support in lenny |
| 01:00.17 | Macskeeball | Are you fat like Weird Al though? |
| 01:00.30 | stoned | Macskeeball: you don't know what 160lbs looks like? |
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| 01:01.09 | Macskeeball | stoned: I was just making a reference to a Weird Al song. Search YouTube. |
| 01:01.22 | stoned | yeh I know weird al |
| 01:01.43 | epsilon | weird al in "fat"? |
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| 01:01.54 | Macskeeball | Yeah. |
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| 01:02.00 | stoned | thats why I wondered, if you know the video of weird al in , I'm fat, the song, then obviously you don't know what 160lbs looks like |
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| 01:02.31 | Macskeeball | I do, but I wasn't responding to the 160lbs. part of what you said, just the part above it. |
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| 01:02.58 | stoned | its like the big lebowski, in the beginning of the movie, this dumb blonde guy is holding a bowling ball, and looks at it and says, wtf is this?, and jeff bridges replies, obviously you are not a golfer |
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| 01:03.04 | stoned | it was hilarious |
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| 01:03.50 | stoned | yeh word man |
| 01:03.53 | stoned | its all good |
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| 01:05.03 | Macskeeball | You bet I'm a Word man. MS Word all the way! Or, uh, not. |
| 01:05.19 | stoned | lol |
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| 01:06.53 | unlink | how can i avoid setting a quota for each user manually? |
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| 01:08.25 | DawnLight | where is /etc/sysconfig/iptables-config in debian? |
| 01:08.37 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: there isn't one. |
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| 01:08.52 | ice63 | stoned: have a good night got to go |
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| 01:09.12 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: you can do the same in your rc.local, or in any other init.d file that you want. [You could even create a /etc/sysconfig/iptables-config and call it from an interface up if you wanted] |
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| 01:09.56 | DawnLight | where do i config IPTABLES_MODULES_UNLOAD, IPTABLES_SAVE_ON_STOP, and IPTABLES_SAVE_ON_RESTART |
| 01:10.11 | jnsears | Hi, I'm on etch and had postfix working. Now when I try to start it (/etc/init.d/postfix start) I get nothing. No error from the command, nothing in /var/log/mail.log, and no postfix. I tried #postfix to no avail. Anyone here have an idea where I could look. The lack of messages in the log file has me at a loss |
| 01:10.13 | DawnLight | are they kernel variables? |
| 01:10.30 | abrotman | jnsears: strace it ? |
| 01:10.47 | jnsears | sorry but what is that? |
| 01:11.15 | _Rubyxx | I am trying to copy a directory and its files to an identical one my USB drive but it ignores all the files in it and only creates empty folders....what do I do? |
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| 01:11.32 | epsilon | cp -ax |
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| 01:11.35 | _Rubyxx | on my USB Drive |
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| 01:13.08 | jnsears | oops, nevermind. just realized that installing sendmail removed postfix. |
| 01:13.16 | jnsears | relevante == newB ;) |
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| 01:16.39 | sandman | It appears that Xen is the fastest emulation method for a lot of purposes, and additionally, one may run something like Qemu within a domU. Does this sound like a viable model for virtualizing my Etch installation? |
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| 01:17.28 | epsilon | why not? |
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| 01:17.50 | epsilon | oh, and xen virtual, not a emulation |
| 01:17.58 | epsilon | +is |
| 01:18.03 | exobyte | this entry in crontab doesn't seem to run, but a similar one that just edits a file does: "51 * * * * ntpdate us.pool.ntp.org" |
| 01:18.21 | exobyte | (root's crontab) |
| 01:18.33 | Internat | probably dont know where that file is |
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| 01:19.17 | epsilon | give the full path, if you didn't set the $PATH |
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| 01:19.31 | exobyte | epsilon: oh yeah.... |
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| 01:19.42 | epsilon | and that kind of cronjob should be in /etc/cron.d(aily) |
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| 01:20.31 | exobyte | epsilon: heh... probably |
| 01:21.23 | exobyte | epsilon: I need it a litt more often, though. I lose abou 1 sec every 4 hours, so mythtv recordings can get cut wrong |
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| 01:22.47 | Ari0n | 19:46:22 grm bitte mister mod, lass mir ein wenig vergnügen |
| 01:22.47 | Ari0n | 19:46:38 this.quit = new Quit(grm, BND@FC183C8F.C5137241.532D06BD.IP, "Quit: I didn't set up UberScript properly!"); |
| 01:22.55 | Ari0n | upps |
| 01:22.56 | Ari0n | sry |
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| 01:30.01 | sandman | Are there any drawbacks to using a swapfile versus a swapfile anymore? |
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| 01:30.32 | unlink | do i have to edquota for every new user i create? |
| 01:31.25 | HaYZaM | Problem when installing Apache2 from apt-get , the version still 1.3.4 |
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| 01:32.22 | exobyte | epsilon: thank you- I have a feeling it will work, now |
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| 01:34.23 | abrotman | HaYZaM: so install apache2 |
| 01:34.36 | HaYZaM | how ? |
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| 01:34.58 | HaYZaM | can you guide me ? |
| 01:35.29 | abrotman | HaYZaM: aptitude install apache2 ? |
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| 01:37.42 | chicalinux | lol |
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| 01:40.43 | slack101 | anyone here ever program a daemon before ? |
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| 01:41.14 | slack101 | im a little confused how i should do it |
| 01:41.19 | asg | slack101: no need, there is a daemon package that takes care of the work for you |
| 01:41.33 | slack101 | what? |
| 01:42.02 | asg | slack101: apt-cache show daemon |
| 01:42.11 | slack101 | for every incoming connection i am not sure if i want to use that process which would make it non useable until its done or make every new connection spawn its own thread or fork a process |
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| 01:42.47 | abrotman | slack101: i think that's a bit outside the scope of #debian |
| 01:42.54 | slack101 | i know |
| 01:42.59 | slack101 | but still if you know help me out |
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| 01:43.16 | abrotman | maybe #c? or something ? |
| 01:43.25 | slack101 | they are not to friendly |
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| 01:43.40 | abrotman | so you came to #debian ? |
| 01:43.41 | asg | slack101: or get the Programming in the Unix Environment book. Such things are covered there. |
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| 01:44.00 | wyrm | hi guys |
| 01:44.09 | wyrm | who know a livecd of Debian4.0? |
| 01:44.13 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 01:44.13 | dpkg | i heard livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 01:44.18 | slack101 | bllah |
| 01:44.27 | ricky | wyrm: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/? |
| 01:44.31 | slack101 | all someone has to say was spawning your own process is the best idea ;) |
| 01:44.33 | slack101 | i mean thread |
| 01:44.47 | Internat | well it might not be though |
| 01:44.53 | wyrm | thanks guys |
| 01:44.55 | wyrm | a lot |
| 01:45.00 | Internat | u might want to have 5 child processes sitting and listining |
| 01:45.11 | asg | slack101: no, we won't do your homework for you. |
| 01:45.14 | Azar | slack101: check on Amazon.com : Bruce Molay - Understanding Unix/Linux Programming / A guide to Theory and Practice < excellent |
| 01:45.30 | abrotman | Azar: have you read it ? |
| 01:45.34 | wyrm | some people say the ALSA of Ubuntuers have so much hands xD |
| 01:45.40 | tuxx | does anyone know cacti? |
| 01:45.42 | slack101 | Internat, its only for 10 connections max at the same time max |
| 01:45.47 | Azar | abrotman: just started, and it is really easy on my brains |
| 01:45.50 | Internat | exactly |
| 01:45.55 | tuxx | a server statistics gathering webinterface |
| 01:46.00 | Internat | so that doesnt mean that starting a new process is the best way to do it |
| 01:46.08 | slack101 | i said thread |
| 01:46.08 | abrotman | tuxx: ask your real question |
| 01:46.22 | Internat | have u done threads in c? |
| 01:46.32 | slack101 | nope but i dont use C |
| 01:46.41 | tuxx | abrotman: well i am having trouble monitoring cpu usage and network traffic |
| 01:46.42 | slack101 | i use ocaml |
| 01:46.52 | asg | slack101: then ask #ocaml |
| 01:46.54 | tuxx | abrotman: any idea hwo to do that? |
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| 01:47.02 | Internat | fair enuff |
| 01:47.23 | slack101 | its not langauge i am wondering about just theory of best way to do it |
| 01:47.35 | asg | slack101: for 10 connections, who cares |
| 01:47.45 | Internat | well there are multiple ways of doing things it just depe4nds whats best for you |
| 01:47.53 | slack101 | ocaml gives me many features that make it fast programming and ocaml rivals c and c++ in execution speecds |
| 01:48.17 | asg | slack101: for 10 connections, just run it from inetd |
| 01:48.22 | abrotman | tuxx: do you have errors ? |
| 01:48.34 | tuxx | abrotman: no i just dont know how its done |
| 01:48.38 | slack101 | asg, im not even familiar with inetd ;) |
| 01:48.42 | tuxx | abrotman: there seems to be no tamplet for it |
| 01:48.45 | abrotman | tuxx: have you checked the docs for it ? |
| 01:49.14 | asg | slack101: are you even using a unix? |
| 01:49.19 | slack101 | yes |
| 01:49.22 | tuxx | abrotman: im googling it since quite a while |
| 01:49.24 | slack101 | but i wasnt using inetd |
| 01:49.28 | abrotman | asg: RH defaults to xinetd :) |
| 01:49.44 | asg | slack101: then you've been given a useful tidbit. Go google it and read manpages. |
| 01:49.53 | asg | abrotman: not on my RH systems it doesn't |
| 01:50.01 | slack101 | i mean i know sysCP uses inetd |
| 01:50.08 | abrotman | asg: does it install it by default and then you replace it ? |
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| 01:50.46 | asg | abrotman: it does but it gets uninstalled immediately with all the other crap. We only use it for a minimal host on some systems to run Debian OpenVZ instances. |
| 01:50.52 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 01:51.18 | epsilon | slack101: syscp doesn't use anything inetd |
| 01:51.40 | epsilon | how to setup apache/proftpd/mail is up to you |
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| 01:52.51 | slack101 | epsilon, it does |
| 01:52.56 | slack101 | look it up real time mode |
| 01:52.59 | slack101 | sysCP uses it |
| 01:53.17 | epsilon | that a customized setup |
| 01:53.30 | epsilon | +is |
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| 01:54.47 | epsilon | and IIRC the real time stuff via inetd is a dirty hack to start a script via socket |
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| 02:01.06 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:01.07 | dpkg | hmm... qotd144 is < LightVision> madradrone: if I log in at login screen as normal user, I wouldnt be IRC as root would i? |
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| 02:02.48 | windio00 | a guy in my linux user group is selling a Supermicro 4U Chassis, X5DPE-G2 Motherboard, Dual 2.4GHz Xeon CPU, 4GB RAM, 1-80GB WD HDD, Triple Redundant 600W Power Supply, CD, 3Ware 7506-8 ATA 133 Raid Controller Card, Slide Rails, 15-Drive Bays-NO DRIVES (Avid Caddy IP-010-2104 2-E IP-010-2103 2-E for ATA/IDE Hard Drive), RHEL 2.4.2 for $500 |
| 02:03.01 | ricky | windio00: Please don't spam. |
| 02:03.24 | windio00 | ricky: sorry on mine that was only two lines |
| 02:03.35 | zinx | windio00: it doesn't matter how many lines it was |
| 02:03.35 | abrotman | windio00: you shouldn't spam at all |
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| 02:03.44 | zinx | windio00: that is off-topic spam |
| 02:03.46 | windio00 | how is it spam? |
| 02:04.01 | windio00 | i was wondering if it would make a good debian file server |
| 02:04.02 | zinx | oh, it's one of those :< |
| 02:04.03 | abrotman | it's unwanted advertising ... |
| 02:04.14 | DawnLight | does iptables -L show me all the rules? |
| 02:04.16 | dan2 | abrotman: you never leave this place |
| 02:04.20 | abrotman | dan2: yes i do |
| 02:04.25 | windio00 | no i want to buy it if it will make a good home file server |
| 02:04.27 | dan2 | every time I'm on IRC |
| 02:04.28 | dan2 | you're here |
| 02:04.37 | cilkay | Hello. How would I get the size of a particular LVM2 volume expressed in blocks? I need to shrink an ext3 filesystem and the LVM docs say that the new size must be expressed in blocks. |
| 02:04.38 | ricky | No, as in this probably isn't the place to try and sell things. |
| 02:04.44 | ricky | windio00: First, it has nothing to do with Debian and /topic. |
| 02:04.59 | zinx | windio00: you don't need and can't really use a triple redundant power supply for a home file server |
| 02:05.04 | windio00 | i want to run etch onit |
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| 02:05.23 | windio00 | zinx: oh ok |
| 02:05.31 | sworoc | what question do you have about running etch on it |
| 02:05.34 | dan2 | asg: you around? |
| 02:05.38 | asg | windio00: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/ <---- I run my fileserver on one of those |
| 02:05.41 | asg | dan2: yes |
| 02:05.41 | windio00 | zinx: it sounded cool though |
| 02:05.51 | dan2 | asg: good to see ya |
| 02:05.56 | abrotman | dan2: duh .. you're in my timezone |
| 02:06.00 | DawnLight | i run "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ath0 -j MASQUERADE" and when i run iptables -L it doesn't show me any rules |
| 02:06.12 | ricky | cilkay: Doesn't lvreduce have a -L option to take the size in kb/mb/gb/tb, etc.? |
| 02:06.14 | asg | dan2: what are you up to these days? |
| 02:06.34 | dan2 | asg: building a bridge between telecom equipment and media delivery |
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| 02:06.48 | cilkay | ricky: indeed it does but resize2fs doesn't |
| 02:07.07 | windio00 | asg: ok with 15 drives i thought i could test out a lot of hard drive raid configurations . . . |
| 02:07.07 | asg | dan2: asterisky stuff or your own? |
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| 02:07.21 | zinx | windio00: it would be cool if you weren't just trying to steal peoples' $500 |
| 02:07.33 | Haris | Hello folks |
| 02:07.37 | zinx | windio00: and that's all i'm gonna say about that, so don't bother with any replies :P |
| 02:07.41 | cilkay | ricky: According to the docs here: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/reducelv.html "you must know the new size of the volume in blocks" |
| 02:07.42 | windio00 | zinx: i didnt even say where to send ur money to :p |
| 02:07.50 | dan2 | asg: today I demoed a videoserver that streams h.264/rtp to videophones. RFC2833 DTMF drive trick play (FF,REW..). On the fly with FF,REW it generates a progress bar and overlays it on the screen and reencodes delivering content to the user |
| 02:07.51 | ricky | cilkay: Really? man resize2fs (for me_ says that you can use K/M/G as a suffix to use nice units. |
| 02:07.55 | dan2 | asg: it can also swap streams on the fly |
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| 02:08.02 | Haris | How do i check the current installed packages (be them from source or binary) ? |
| 02:08.07 | windio00 | zinx: i want you to save your money to donate to the debian project |
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| 02:08.24 | dan2 | asg: you want a demo? |
| 02:08.36 | dan2 | asg: I think I can take a wireshark capture and send you a mov |
| 02:08.39 | Haris | I guess, I can't check those installed from source |
| 02:08.47 | Haris | What about the ones installed through binary? |
| 02:08.51 | Haris | apt-something? |
| 02:08.59 | asg | dan2: I'm of to .uk / .es for three weeks but catch me when I get back, I wouldn't mind a demo. |
| 02:09.02 | asg | *off |
| 02:09.16 | dan2 | asg: I mean, I can send you a video in like 5 minutes, you going to be here then? |
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| 02:09.42 | asg | dan2: I'm in and out ... trying to get all the info and music I need on my ipod. |
| 02:09.49 | dan2 | ok |
| 02:10.00 | dan2 | asg: by the time you get back, I'll have a full menuing system |
| 02:10.23 | ricky | Haris: dpkg -l |
| 02:10.56 | wyrm | who have the last Kernel? |
| 02:10.56 | wyrm | 2.6.22 |
| 02:11.45 | cilkay | ricky: man resize2fs mentions that you can use one of those K/M/G designators "for 512 byte sectors". I think my LVM volume is actually 4096 bytes, not 512 bytes, so I have no idea if those designators would work. This is a live filesystem so I'd rather not muck things up. |
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| 02:12.04 | xacier | how do i configure x to use twm? |
| 02:12.10 | xacier | is it .xinitrc? |
| 02:12.29 | xacier | btw, this is my second debian install |
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| 02:12.54 | xacier | how do i tell x to use twm? |
| 02:12.57 | xacier | anyone? |
| 02:12.57 | hopecon | bueller? |
| 02:13.20 | xacier | i don't want klogin or gnome all that crap |
| 02:13.37 | Haris | Based on the vexim (exim+mysql) package can I build a mail server that sends/receives email correctly? |
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| 02:14.08 | xacier | i thought twm is the defualt manager |
| 02:14.11 | Haris | http://freshmeat.net/projects/vexim |
| 02:14.13 | xacier | wtf am i missing? |
| 02:14.33 | windio00 | asg: that looks like a good file server for the top 1GB of important info |
| 02:15.25 | xacier | exit |
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| 02:15.51 | Azar | wtf is twm? |
| 02:16.05 | abrotman | Azar: google ? |
| 02:16.13 | asg | Azar: tiny window manager |
| 02:16.14 | Azar | way thanks mister abrotman |
| 02:16.24 | abrotman | or tabbed window manager ? |
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| 02:16.32 | Azar | asg, thanks I was thinking terminal window manager |
| 02:16.34 | sonicx2007 | I thought it was Tom's windows manager |
| 02:16.34 | asg | abrotman: yeah, you're right |
| 02:16.36 | windio00 | asg: i suppose when you consider the complete works of shakespeare is 5.32MB uncompressed puts things in perspective |
| 02:16.54 | abrotman | there are like four twm's |
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| 02:17.12 | asg | windio00: the unabridged book on tape of Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency is ~250MB |
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| 02:17.20 | ricky | cilkay: So that's 4K? |
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| 02:17.49 | Azar | so xacier you do not want a .dm login screen? |
| 02:17.52 | xacier | hmmm i just figured |
| 02:18.03 | xacier | startx & twm will do |
| 02:18.06 | cilkay | ricky: resizing now. We'll see what happens. |
| 02:18.08 | xacier | damn me damnit |
| 02:18.14 | windio00 | asg: flac? |
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| 02:18.55 | xacier | now is clean |
| 02:19.01 | asg | windio00: mp3 (64kbit mono) |
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| 02:19.52 | doolin | im getting an error compiling something... |
| 02:19.52 | doolin | linking obj/sdl/mame/file2str... |
| 02:19.53 | doolin | /usr/bin/ld: connot fine -lGL |
| 02:19.53 | doolin | collect 2:ld returned 1 exit status" |
| 02:19.53 | doolin | any idea? |
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| 02:20.38 | dan2 | asg: you want to see it? |
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| 02:20.42 | dan2 | asg: I've got the h264 file |
| 02:20.48 | abrotman | keep your pants on! |
| 02:20.57 | abrotman | doolin: libgl-dev ? |
| 02:21.31 | simonrvn | karsten: sorry dude |
| 02:21.36 | doolin | abrotman: what? |
| 02:22.08 | windio00 | asg: ah . . . i bet flac on a nice clean signal with decent speakers or a nice pair of grado's would be treat though |
| 02:22.21 | abrotman | doolin: the library ? |
| 02:22.39 | doolin | apt-get doesn't seem to have it |
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| 02:23.48 | abrotman | mesagl-dev ? |
| 02:24.02 | sonicx2007 | Does anyone know how I can reinstall wine? I get this message when I do apt-get install wine: The package wine needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 02:24.33 | o2T7 | hi |
| 02:24.59 | o2T7 | I'm having problems for changing my root's partition size |
| 02:25.02 | doolin | abrotman: installed |
| 02:25.14 | windio00 | i installed etch yesterday on an old computer with a hercules video theater xp 5.1 sound card and there was no left channel speaker . . . tried it with a usb sound card and it worked fine . . . |
| 02:25.16 | predder | under etch, I notice that if I man sh i get the bash docs.. Does this mean /bin/bash and /bin/sh are/do the same thing? |
| 02:25.29 | o2T7 | cfdisk shows a size and `df -h` shows a different one |
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| 02:26.00 | windio00 | using alsa . . . is there an alsa channel for questions on that? |
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| 02:27.09 | Azar | windio00: tried to run alsamixer to raise volumes? |
| 02:27.55 | o2T7 | Which is the best way for changing my root partition's size? |
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| 02:28.35 | Azar | o2T7: it would be helpful if you would tell more about your system |
| 02:28.42 | windio00 | Azar: yes i ran speaker-test and it ket saying left 0 |
| 02:28.57 | Azar | windio00: I was asking something else.. |
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| 02:29.19 | windio00 | windio00: i said yes to your question and the results of the speaker-test |
| 02:29.22 | Haris | Guys, is there a web based email account management system for exim? |
| 02:29.29 | o2T7 | Azar: My root partition has unassigned free space before and after it |
| 02:29.34 | windio00 | Azar: i said yes to your question and the results of the speaker-test |
| 02:29.35 | Haris | like there is for qmail, vmmi for eg |
| 02:29.49 | Azar | windio00: did you saved your settings on alsamixer? |
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| 02:30.05 | windio00 | Azar: yes |
| 02:30.31 | Azar | windio00: maybe your old sound hardware module is not installed... maybe |
| 02:31.12 | windio00 | Azar: i went to the alsa-project site, looked up the sound card, build the module installed it and it didnt work |
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| 02:31.28 | Azar | windio00: try to find out exactly (by hardware sound name) which one could be your "snd_" module and lodad it |
| 02:31.36 | windio00 | Azar: thats what i did |
| 02:31.45 | Azar | windio00: /etc/modules includes it? |
| 02:31.53 | windio00 | Azar: cs4XXX |
| 02:31.56 | xacier | is there an app like xloadimage ? |
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| 02:32.21 | doolin | abrotman: any other ideas? |
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| 02:32.24 | Azar | alsa modules start with snd_xxxxxxx |
| 02:32.29 | abrotman | doolin: moment .. let me read backlog |
| 02:32.46 | sonicx2007 | Hi, I am trying to install wine using dpkg -i but I am getting a lot of dependency problems. What should I do? |
| 02:33.18 | windio00 | Azar: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Hercules#matrix cs46XX yes |
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| 02:33.24 | abrotman | doolin: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search libGL |
| 02:34.03 | o2T7 | Changing the root partition's size shouldn't be a difficult thing |
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| 02:34.38 | o2T7 | What I don't understand is why cfdisk shows a size and df -h shows another different one |
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| 02:35.02 | sonicx2007 | Hi, I am trying to install wine using dpkg -i but I am getting a lot of dependency problems. What should I do? |
| 02:35.23 | doolin | abrotman: downloading |
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| 02:35.46 | sonicx2007 | / |
| 02:35.50 | sworoc | sonic: what's the version of wine |
| 02:35.52 | doolin | abrotman: the proggy is sldmame, for a mame cabinet, btw |
| 02:36.01 | sonicx2007 | .9.40 |
| 02:36.08 | abrotman | doolin: sdlmame ? |
| 02:36.12 | sworoc | sonic: which branch of debian are you running? |
| 02:36.13 | Azar | windio00: in /etc/modules do you see "snd-card-cs46xx" ?? |
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| 02:36.30 | doolin | abrotman: arcade emulator |
| 02:36.32 | sonicx2007 | sworoc: I am not even sure. I did not install this |
| 02:36.38 | doolin | abrotman: errored out again, same thing |
| 02:36.39 | abrotman | doolin: i meant that you mistyped it :) |
| 02:36.44 | abrotman | !find libGL etch |
| 02:36.44 | windio00 | Azar: it was there when i checked last night im not at that place today |
| 02:36.44 | sonicx2007 | sworoc: It is older though |
| 02:36.52 | sonicx2007 | sworoc: It has the 2.6.9 kernel |
| 02:36.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libGL' (5 of 19): (/usr/lib/lsb2/libGL.so) in devel/lsb-build-base2 ;; (/usr/lib/lsb3/libGL.so) in devel/lsb-build-base3 ;; (/usr/lib/{libGLEW.a|libGLEW.so}) in devel/libglew-dev ;; (/usr/lib/i686/mmx/cmov/libGL.so) in devel/libgl1-mesa-glide3-dev ;; (/usr/lib/{libGLU.a|libGLU.so}) in libdevel/libglu1-mesa-dev. |
| 02:37.37 | sworoc | sonic: i would try an older version of wine if possible |
| 02:37.43 | sonicx2007 | I did |
| 02:37.44 | windio00 | Azar: the snd-card-usb worked fine |
| 02:37.44 | doolin | abrotman: I've got nvidia drivers installed, which might have something to do with it |
| 02:38.00 | sonicx2007 | sworoc: but it does not run the applications an application that I want |
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| 02:38.11 | abrotman | doolin: try libgl1-mesa-dev |
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| 02:38.19 | windio00 | has anyone gotten google earth to run with nvidia_legacy drivers? |
| 02:38.25 | sworoc | sonic: can you use apt and the testing repositories? |
| 02:38.35 | sworoc | sonic: you may have to update several dependencies |
| 02:38.59 | sonicx2007 | sworoc: I cannot use apt-get install because it will install an older version of wine |
| 02:39.01 | doolin | abrotman: installed |
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| 02:39.22 | dondelelcaro | sonicx2007: so put wine on hold |
| 02:39.22 | Azar | windio00: yes, that means alsa works, for some reason your original sound hardware does not work correctly (left channel is not working) with alsa... read more to see how it can be fixed or discuss your problem in a forum that has as topic your particular sound hardware |
| 02:39.24 | sworoc | sonic: can you update /etc/apt/sources.list to use the testing branch? |
| 02:39.25 | abrotman | doolin: any better ? |
| 02:39.38 | sonicx2007 | sworoc: I have the unstable branch. Is that okay? |
| 02:39.39 | doolin | no, its been installed I mean. abrotman |
| 02:39.53 | abrotman | doolin: and still no workie ? |
| 02:40.06 | doolin | no workie |
| 02:40.16 | abrotman | libgl1-mesa-glx help ? |
| 02:40.18 | windio00 | Azar: its such an outdated soundcard i dont know if there will be many forums for it but thanks |
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| 02:40.26 | sworoc | hmm, maybe i'm taking the wrong approach, anybody else have ideas? |
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| 02:40.44 | sworoc | sonic: i think you might have to dist-upgrade, but that's major |
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| 02:41.12 | doolin | abrotman: libgl is part of my nvidia drivers, apparently |
| 02:41.17 | sonicx2007 | sworoc: I do not know much about debian, so I do not know |
| 02:41.27 | abrotman | doolin: i don't own any nvidia hardware |
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| 02:41.29 | sonicx2007 | sworoc: There must be another way |
| 02:41.32 | windio00 | i tried to use the the googleearth isntaller and abuncj of broken.so files showed up making the package |
| 02:41.41 | windio00 | a bunch |
| 02:41.52 | sonicx2007 | sworoc: I am doing all of this over ssh |
| 02:41.57 | doolin | abrotman: ah... this is a bummer... it machine was set to go into the cabinet |
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| 02:42.26 | Azar | windio00: on the same link you gave me, scroll down there are lots of discussions that include several pointing at your soundhardware |
| 02:42.42 | xacier | is there a browser faster than firefox? |
| 02:42.43 | abrotman | doolin: is this with make or ./configure ? |
| 02:42.49 | abrotman | xacier: fro some stuff .. yes |
| 02:43.05 | doolin | abrotman: program has no ./configure |
| 02:43.11 | xacier | it is really slow |
| 02:43.17 | level1 | Hi, I'm trying to get a debian CD... is there a liveCD+graphical installer, or a graphical installer of any kind? also, is there a way to get debian without downloading 21 CDs? |
| 02:43.18 | sonicx2007 | What can I do to solve these dependency problems? |
| 02:43.36 | abrotman | doolin: tried a make clean ? |
| 02:44.01 | doolin | abrotman: trying... |
| 02:44.09 | xacier | it is like something is leaking |
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| 02:44.17 | sworoc | sonic: unstable wine version is .9.34 |
| 02:44.20 | abrotman | like .. firefox :) |
| 02:44.21 | Azar | sonicx2007: if you do not know much about Debian you should not run the unstable version |
| 02:44.23 | ricky | !netinstall |
| 02:44.23 | dpkg | netinst is, like, a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 02:44.24 | doolin | abrotman: no dice |
| 02:44.32 | ricky | :( |
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| 02:44.44 | ricky | level1: See what dpkg said |
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| 02:44.54 | sonicx2007 | sworoc: 0.9.25 is being installed using apt-get install |
| 02:44.55 | abrotman | doolin: see if the guys in #nvidia have an idea |
| 02:44.59 | Azar | unstable means unstable.... aka crashing , freezing, etc etc |
| 02:45.24 | doolin | abrotman: ill give it a shot... |
| 02:45.50 | level1 | ricky: I already have ubuntu on another partition on my machine... is it possible to bootstrap debian from ubuntu? |
| 02:45.59 | Azar | sonicx2007: when you run unstable you have to manually solve the dependencies on your own... |
| 02:46.06 | ricky | !debootstrap |
| 02:46.06 | dpkg | [debootstrap] <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 02:46.16 | sonicx2007 | Azar: What about testing? |
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| 02:46.29 | ricky | level1: I've never tried it before myself, but I think that should work. |
| 02:46.30 | cilkay | level1: you can bootstrap Debian from virtually any Linux distro. I do it regularly on Mandriva. |
| 02:46.35 | windio00 | Azar: from 2003 and none of them are for my card it appears . . . |
| 02:46.41 | sworoc | sonic: testing should be fine, but the wine version isn't recent enough |
| 02:46.56 | Azar | sonicx2007: testing is the version where you "test" your system and packages and report bugs... runs a "little" more stable |
| 02:47.01 | sworoc | sonic: at least not by the sound of what you're telling me |
| 02:47.02 | windio00 | Azar: just the same chipset |
| 02:47.19 | level1 | cilkay: I've done it to a usb drive... but will it be able to configure things like adding an option to grub? |
| 02:47.23 | Azar | windio00: add your comment, see if maybe someone gives you a reply there |
| 02:47.38 | doolin | abrotman: a livley bunch over at #nvidia |
| 02:47.40 | sonicx2007 | sworoc: How do I install the latest version of wine? |
| 02:47.44 | windio00 | Azar: yep doing that |
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| 02:48.07 | sonicx2007 | sworoc: If I try installing the dependences, those dependences have dependences |
| 02:48.07 | abrotman | doolin: you forgot </sarcasm> |
| 02:48.07 | doolin | abrotman: hehe |
| 02:48.14 | doolin | abrotman: that is always on with me |
| 02:48.24 | Azar | windio00: you could also try asking in #hardware... maybe someone knows a trick |
| 02:48.44 | doolin | abrotman: I wake up and <sarcasm> go to bed and </scacasm> |
| 02:49.14 | sworoc | sonic: http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb |
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| 02:49.19 | Supaplex | sonicx2007: winehq has their own repo. I'm not making any reccomendation. I'm currently using their ubuntu edgy release. While it's generally discouraged to comingle with other 'debian like' repos, this one is only for wine. YMMV. |
| 02:49.26 | windio00 | Azar: thank you i might when im back over there again and have time to play around with it . . . was just looking for a few ideas i hadnt tried yet |
| 02:49.31 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:49.48 | cilkay | level1: normally, I don't touch grub at all since I don't install a kernel when I deboostrap. I'm creating Xen domUs when I do that so I don't have to fiddle with grub.conf at all. However, I've seen it in the docs. Should be feasible. Just be very careful if you don't have physical access to the machine. |
| 02:49.51 | sonicx2007 | Supaplex: I am using Debian, so the Ubuntu does not work for me |
| 02:50.07 | doolin | abrotman: try suse 10.2, and mame works but no 3d, in debian 3d works but no mame |
| 02:50.29 | Supaplex | sonicx2007: that's why I stressed it that way. I'm using it on etch. |
| 02:50.37 | abrotman | doolin: i'd go with the latter .. it's gotta be easier to fix |
| 02:51.05 | sonicx2007 | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list: No such file or directory |
| 02:51.13 | Supaplex | sonicx2007: alternatively, you could try a chroot install |
| 02:51.22 | level1 | cilkay: fortunately, I do have access to the machine, but maybe i'd be better off with a liveCD... how easy to use is the net install? I can do a few things at the command line (apt-get and all) but I'm not an expert |
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| 02:51.24 | doolin | abrotman: proving to be rather difficult |
| 02:51.35 | frankr | usbcore: registered new driver snd-usb-audio << I see this in dmesg, how can I do it manually? |
| 02:52.03 | cilkay | level1: doing a net install isn't any harder than a live cd install really. |
| 02:52.06 | sonicx2007 | Supaplex: That line does not work |
| 02:52.18 | cilkay | level1: if nothing else, you'll learn some new things. |
| 02:52.23 | cilkay | .. useful things |
| 02:52.44 | level1 | cilkay: I'm not against learn things, just not the hard way |
| 02:52.50 | abrotman | doolin: is nvidia-glx installed ? |
| 02:53.04 | Supaplex | sonicx2007: mine has this: deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main |
| 02:53.09 | abrotman | doolin: or nvidia-glx-dev ? |
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| 02:53.40 | sonicx2007 | Supaplex: I will try that |
| 02:53.47 | level1 | cilkay: anyway, ubuntu seems to have a lot of bugs and trouble for me and I'd like to see if debian is less fussy, or a least easier to fix |
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| 02:54.02 | level1 | cilkay: do you think I'll be happy with it? |
| 02:54.16 | doolin | abrotman: the dev wasn't, but I had to remove the mesa package... |
| 02:54.18 | sonicx2007 | It looks like it it working |
| 02:54.25 | sonicx2007 | I am doing an upgrade now |
| 02:54.35 | abrotman | doolin: mm .. i'll stay in my non-nvidia world :) |
| 02:55.04 | doolin | abrotman: making it again... |
| 02:55.49 | doolin | abrotman: that may have got it |
| 02:56.06 | frankr | I'm plugging in a usb sound device and dmesg isn't showing it as having a driver |
| 02:56.06 | stoned | ? |
| 02:56.20 | frankr | I was able to get it working while it gave it snd-usb-audio but its not giving it that driver now |
| 02:56.21 | doolin | abrotman: you, my friend, are forever in my thanks |
| 02:56.21 | abrotman | doolin: yay |
| 02:56.25 | frankr | how can I do that manually |
| 02:56.29 | abrotman | doolin: can i have the cabinet ? |
| 02:56.35 | doolin | HA! |
| 02:56.49 | doolin | abrotman: I've spent 2 years on the work working |
| 02:56.55 | abrotman | wow |
| 02:57.02 | doolin | abrotman: wood working rather |
| 02:57.08 | abrotman | wow |
| 02:57.12 | abrotman | that's a lot of wood |
| 02:57.17 | doolin | hehe, I know |
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| 02:57.37 | doolin | ill look for you in a few weeks, send you a website about it, once I finish it |
| 02:58.17 | abrotman | but i still don't get the cabinet ? |
| 02:58.18 | abrotman | :) |
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| 02:59.08 | doolin | abrotman: 5 grand |
| 02:59.14 | frankr | o_o |
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| 02:59.27 | abrotman | doolin: but i fixed it for you! |
| 02:59.32 | doolin | abrotman: its got about 1000 bucks worth of controls alone |
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| 02:59.46 | doolin | abrotman: it could have ran windows :-/ that was what I was avoiding |
| 02:59.48 | DawnLight | how do i keep my current iptables from changing on reboot? |
| 02:59.49 | abrotman | jeeebus |
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| 03:01.18 | frankr | guys I have a usb sound device and I'm trying toget it to be registered a driver but it wont do it - it did it before: usbcore: registered new driver snd-usb-audio in dmesg, but I can't get it to do it again |
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| 03:02.20 | Internat | my postfix knowledge is fairl minimal, but.. is it possible to have a server, as the primary mx that actually relays to another server? so basicly i want to have some servers hidden that actually store/process the mail, but a server or 2 in the middle that get everything and pass it on |
| 03:02.24 | doolin | abrotman: now I've gotta make 6500+ game files... |
| 03:02.36 | abrotman | eh ... get a backup :) |
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| 03:03.00 | doolin | well, I don't, but it does :) |
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| 03:04.30 | doolin | abrotman: for not having any nvidia hardware, your one helpful son-of-a-bitch |
| 03:04.48 | abrotman | don't tell anyone |
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| 03:05.24 | doolin | abrotman: no worries |
| 03:06.35 | xacier | got any good porn site? |
| 03:06.47 | streuner | haha |
| 03:07.24 | doolin | xacier: www.xacier'smom.com |
| 03:07.51 | xacier | ok |
| 03:07.52 | xacier | cool |
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| 03:08.20 | xacier | anything faster than the dillo? |
| 03:08.27 | abrotman | jesus |
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| 03:08.56 | xacier | but it is kinda retarded on usability |
| 03:09.03 | abrotman | then use something else |
| 03:09.11 | abrotman | there are like 10-20 damn browsers in debian |
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| 03:09.41 | xacier | well i don't use kde/gnome |
| 03:09.54 | xacier | i don't want their craps |
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| 03:10.12 | doolin | xacier: whoa... I thought you said dildo up there ^ heheheh |
| 03:11.33 | xacier | hehe |
| 03:11.54 | DawnLight | can anyone tell me how i can keep my iptables at reboot |
| 03:12.11 | streuner | iptables-save? |
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| 03:13.01 | mosno | DawnLight: i personally use pre-up in interfaces(5) to do the iptables-restore, not sure if this is the "best" way |
| 03:13.42 | streuner | DawnLight: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples |
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| 03:22.50 | DawnLight | how do i use iptables-save to put STDOUT into a file? |
| 03:24.14 | Supaplex | DawnLight: with the redirection operator. eg, iptables-save > fw.txt |
| 03:24.39 | DawnLight | easy |
| 03:24.52 | vi-config | Dawnlight http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/445 |
| 03:25.28 | DawnLight | wow, thats exactly what i want. thanks |
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| 03:34.36 | stoned | man this is like living in the desert |
| 03:34.47 | DawnLight | "echo "#!/bin/sh" > /etc/network/if-up.d/iptables" returns "bash: !/bin/sh": event not found" |
| 03:34.53 | stoned | scorching days and cool nights |
| 03:35.25 | Azar | hehehe linux install made this guy's mouth shrink: http://www.bash.org/?100336 |
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| 03:35.56 | Azar | shush stoned, you guys got 97F yesterday while here in L.A. was only 85F nananaaa |
| 03:36.34 | ricky | DawnLight: Woah, that sentence was quited strangely. |
| 03:36.39 | stoned | dude I buy a plane ticket, and come over just to beat you up |
| 03:36.51 | DawnLight | huh? |
| 03:37.03 | ricky | DawnLight: Try single quites. |
| 03:37.06 | ricky | **quotes |
| 03:37.16 | stoned | Azar: get ready here i come |
| 03:37.20 | Azar | stoned: then when you done, take a knife and carve your autograph on my back.. |
| 03:37.25 | Azar | :D |
| 03:37.35 | stoned | no man |
| 03:37.44 | Azar | "beaten by stoned in July 2007" |
| 03:37.48 | DawnLight | yey |
| 03:37.49 | stoned | no shit no, I'm not gonna do that i'll just beat yo up |
| 03:37.52 | stoned | lol |
| 03:37.57 | Azar | :) |
| 03:38.12 | ricky | DawnLight: echo '#!/bin/sh' > /etc/network/if-up.d/iptables |
| 03:38.21 | DawnLight | it worked |
| 03:38.33 | Azar | I will let you beat me only if you crossdress in leather gear and have a whip |
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| 03:38.49 | stoned | dude |
| 03:38.54 | stoned | ... what |
| 03:38.55 | ricky | DawnLight: ! is "special"- history expansion. |
| 03:39.09 | ricky | DawnLight: If you want to use double quotes, escape it with a \ |
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| 03:39.13 | stoned | thas past funny man |
| 03:39.17 | stoned | thas just creepy |
| 03:39.18 | stoned | ;) |
| 03:39.22 | Azar | stoned: so I saw in a movie man |
| 03:39.30 | stoned | little nicki? |
| 03:39.34 | Azar | hehe |
| 03:39.38 | asg | stoned: at least he didn't give you the honorary #debian ballgag |
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| 03:39.48 | stoned | lol |
| 03:39.54 | Azar | hahahaha |
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| 03:40.21 | stoned | this is still nothing compared to texas heat |
| 03:40.33 | stoned | oh man it gets pretty rough down south man |
| 03:41.04 | Azar | heat and humid like on the E coast.... ewww is worse that the dry heat in the desert |
| 03:41.15 | stoned | i like humidity |
| 03:41.20 | stoned | lots and lots of it |
| 03:41.27 | stoned | i can't stand dry air |
| 03:41.40 | stoned | i can't breath dry air man it hurts my nose and throat |
| 03:41.58 | stoned | it dries it out and it hurts to breath through my nose and itches my throat |
| 03:42.03 | holycow | stoned, you would love vancouver |
| 03:42.08 | holycow | i on the other hand love dryness :) |
| 03:42.09 | stoned | i would? |
| 03:42.18 | stoned | i like wetness |
| 03:42.19 | holycow | its fucking humid here all year round |
| 03:42.23 | holycow | rains almost every day |
| 03:42.26 | stoned | im from louisiana |
| 03:42.29 | stoned | talk about humidity |
| 03:42.35 | Azar | I don't like sweating all summer long.. |
| 03:42.48 | stoned | but thats what cools you down |
| 03:43.05 | Azar | no, I stick my tongue out and breath like the dogs :) |
| 03:43.06 | stoned | you sweat, get the moisture on you, and when air hits you, it coosl you more cuz of the moistur eon you |
| 03:43.08 | asg | stoned: only if there is a nice breeze |
| 03:43.16 | stoned | asg: yeh |
| 03:43.41 | asg | stoned: you know that breezes don't occur in the various armpits of the south |
| 03:43.43 | Guerin | sai gon is the hottest place i've ever been |
| 03:44.01 | Guerin | the all-time record low temperature recorded there is 14.5°C |
| 03:44.14 | Guerin | in the middle of the night, in the middle of winter |
| 03:44.20 | Guerin | in the 70s some time |
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| 03:44.34 | stoned | i got half a bag left |
| 03:44.39 | Azar | the hottest day in my life was when I was sweating swimming in my swimming pool one night |
| 03:44.40 | stoned | gonna finish it off and then I'm done |
| 03:44.48 | stoned | damn bag, won't go away fast enough |
| 03:44.55 | frankr | I have a usb device that I know is usb 2.0 but its only being detected as full speed usb 1.1 is there any way I can fix that? its an audio recording device, an m-box, and I have to set jackd latency to like 8192 for it not to skip. kind irritating me |
| 03:45.01 | asg | Guerin: that's pretty nasty |
| 03:45.13 | Guerin | asg: it's a disgusting place in the rainy season |
| 03:45.15 | Azar | Guerin: sounds like hot monsoon nights in India |
| 03:45.30 | DawnLight | why didn't anyone tell me that there is an easy GUI for configuring NAT? is this a conspiracy to get me to learn the debian internals? didn't anyone hear of the package guidedog? |
| 03:45.32 | asg | Guerin: sounds disgusting all the time, from a weather perspective |
| 03:45.42 | Guerin | the streets flood to about knee-deep, the filthy brown scunge of the city |
| 03:46.00 | stoned | DawnLight: there are tons of gui firewall configs |
| 03:46.06 | asg | Guerin: that happens in Charleston, SC most days |
| 03:46.08 | Azar | eekk |
| 03:46.11 | Guerin | DawnLight: there's no need for a gui to configure NAT |
| 03:46.15 | DawnLight | i don't care. i'm telling dpkg about this! |
| 03:46.22 | Azar | hahaha |
| 03:46.25 | stoned | DawnLight: like I said earlier, if you don't understand what you are doing, then you're alwyas gonna be a tool. |
| 03:46.31 | Azar | ratting to dpkg |
| 03:46.35 | stoned | !guarddog |
| 03:46.36 | Guerin | DawnLight: aptitude install ipmasq; done |
| 03:46.58 | frankr | so there's no way to force usb 2.0 speed? ahh. |
| 03:47.01 | stoned | DawnLight: do you want to be a tool? |
| 03:47.25 | Guerin | frankr: it should Just Work, if your host and client both support it. modprobe ehci_hcd might help |
| 03:47.32 | Guerin | if you have the right hardware |
| 03:47.57 | asg | stoned: Tool did a song called 'Hooker with a Penis', your trend continues |
| 03:48.06 | stoned | shaddup |
| 03:48.11 | stoned | track 7 |
| 03:48.12 | stoned | Aenima |
| 03:48.16 | stoned | the best tool cd ever |
| 03:48.55 | DawnLight | dpkg: nat is also configured easily with a GUI using the package guidedog or ipmasq or guarddog |
| 03:48.55 | dpkg | okay, DawnLight |
| 03:48.55 | Guerin | naw |
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| 03:48.55 | Guerin | undertow > * |
| 03:48.55 | stoned | its ok |
| 03:48.55 | DawnLight | huh |
| 03:48.55 | stoned | opiate is very good too |
| 03:49.01 | stoned | but I think tool really nailed it on the 3rd cd |
| 03:49.09 | Guerin | nah, ipmasq is amateur night |
| 03:49.12 | Guerin | err |
| 03:49.13 | Guerin | Opiate |
| 03:49.15 | stoned | huh? |
| 03:49.19 | stoned | hahaha |
| 03:49.21 | frankr | Guerin, I'm sure my comp supports usb 2.0 but I don't know if debian is currently equipped to handle it. I assume it is but I never used a device which actually required much bw |
| 03:49.24 | Guerin | brain no worky |
| 03:49.27 | stoned | cranial flatulance |
| 03:49.44 | Guerin | frankr: the only config needed should be loading that module |
| 03:50.38 | frankr | according to dmesg.. it seems to be loaded already: ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.1: EHCI Host Controller |
| 03:51.12 | xacier | so there is no amule? |
| 03:51.24 | Guerin | xacier: /msg dpkg search |
| 03:51.25 | xacier | what about giftcurs? |
| 03:51.43 | Guerin | xacier: 1999 wants its crappy p2p systems back |
| 03:51.45 | Rusty1 | frankr: check your bios settings if you haven't used 2.0 as such, |
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| 03:53.47 | DawnLight | okay, guidedog is crap |
| 03:53.52 | stoned | Kazaa |
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| 03:54.22 | stoned | DawnLight: nothing beats cli |
| 03:54.25 | stoned | really |
| 03:54.55 | stoned | what you can probably do in 20 mouse clicks and lots of mouse moving, you can also do with a few commands |
| 03:55.10 | DawnLight | hey, i haven't learned that lesson yet! |
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| 03:59.57 | jodan | hi |
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| 04:01.09 | jodan | how to avoid login when i run apps as non-su? |
| 04:01.46 | jodan | am i online? |
| 04:01.58 | dondelelcaro | jodan: avoid login? |
| 04:02.51 | jodan | dondelelcaro, yeah, is that not possible? i heard of sudoers, but not know how to use it. |
| 04:03.17 | dondelelcaro | jodan: oh, you mean entering the root password when you su; Use sudo to do that. |
| 04:04.01 | jodan | dondelelcaro, when there are many apps, can i not specif them in a file? |
| 04:04.31 | dondelelcaro | jodan: you don't have to specify the applications that you wish to run using sudo |
| 04:05.18 | jodan | dondelelcaro, what about this /etc/sudoer file, isn't it used for this purpose? |
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| 04:06.04 | blmartin777 | How do I upgrade from lenny to sid? |
| 04:06.37 | Supaplex | if you have to ask |
| 04:06.38 | dondelelcaro | blmartin777: you really shouldn't have to ask that question if you're ready for sid |
| 04:06.56 | Supaplex | sid is like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIqC610k1gY |
| 04:06.57 | dondelelcaro | man 5 sources.list; has the answer, though. |
| 04:07.03 | ricky | blmartin777: If you don't know, you might not want to risk playing with unstable. |
| 04:07.10 | ricky | It's very... unstable. |
| 04:07.21 | Supaplex | like lit thermite on ice |
| 04:07.33 | blmartin777 | I have always used ubuntu but want to just use debain now. Is lenny plenty? |
| 04:07.44 | dondelelcaro | blmartin777: yes, lenny is close enough to sid that you'll be happy. |
| 04:08.01 | jodan | sid is sick. |
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| 04:08.06 | blmartin777 | Ok I will pplay with that first. Thanks |
| 04:08.48 | ricky | blmartin777: Yes. Stuff is likely to break in sid. |
| 04:08.58 | blmartin777 | Can you use automatix with lenny or is that out? |
| 04:09.12 | DawnLight | nothing beats cli |
| 04:09.48 | Supaplex | if it doesn't have stable written on it, beware. |
| 04:10.04 | jodan | blmartin777, what does automatix do? |
| 04:10.52 | Supaplex | oh just a SIGKILL to apt if you interrupt it. |
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| 04:12.33 | blmartin777 | jodan: I can work without it. It installs different software. I can install them on my own but it has them in one place. |
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| 04:14.33 | adamonline46 | Is there a way to find available packages using apt-get? Like, apt-get search sqlite? |
| 04:14.44 | Supaplex | !tell adamonline46 -about search |
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| 04:15.13 | metbsd | if i want to transfer files through ssh tunnel, using ssh key, what command should i use? |
| 04:15.24 | RAOF | sftp |
| 04:15.27 | adamonline46 | Supaplex: What would the full command line be? |
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| 04:15.57 | Supaplex | use apt-cache search <...> |
| 04:15.59 | ricky | metbsd: Or scp. |
| 04:16.06 | Arafangi1n | scp's simpler. |
| 04:16.12 | dondelelcaro | metbsd: rsync or scp |
| 04:16.16 | dondelelcaro | (or ssh+tar) |
| 04:16.38 | RAOF | scp being deprecated by sftp, right? |
| 04:16.39 | numer | i'm having problems with amavis-new and postfix i'm getting a policy error all the time called amavis[8985]: (!) DENIED ACCESS from IP 83.151.28.58, policy bank '' |
| 04:16.41 | metbsd | do those command use ssh key? |
| 04:16.45 | dondelelcaro | metbsd: yes |
| 04:17.04 | metbsd | so which command is recommend? |
| 04:17.11 | adamonline46 | Supaplex: Thanks, just saw the new window :) |
| 04:17.17 | ricky | RAOF: Nope. |
| 04:17.20 | dondelelcaro | metbsd: depends; for many files, use rsync. For a few, use scp. |
| 04:17.34 | metbsd | just a few big ass files |
| 04:17.36 | dondelelcaro | metbsd: if scp and rsync is broken on the remote, use ssh+tar |
| 04:17.50 | dondelelcaro | metbsd: if there's a possibility of the transfer being interrupted, use rsync |
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| 04:17.53 | numer | i added these two settings the the 50-user configuration file in /etc/amavis/conf.d/ but it still doesn't help |
| 04:17.54 | numer | #$inet_socket_bind = '127.0.0.1'; |
| 04:17.54 | numer | #@inet_acl = qw( 127.0.0.1 ); |
| 04:18.03 | ricky | RAOF: Woah- wikipedia says that it is? Hmm... |
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| 04:18.22 | ricky | RAOF: Unsourced, of course. |
| 04:18.25 | RAOF | ricky: Oh. I thouht scp was ssh v1, and hence broken :) |
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| 04:18.48 | numer | is anyone using amavis successfully here with debian? |
| 04:18.52 | Supaplex | RAOF: only on systems that haven't upgraded for the last decade or two :P |
| 04:19.21 | dondelelcaro | superseeded is quite different from deprecated. |
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| 04:19.34 | RAOF | True |
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| 04:19.40 | kameron | i used tovid to create a mpg that's supposedly compliant with standalone dvd players. how do i burn this file? just as data? or do i have to make it a video dvd format or something? |
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| 04:20.31 | RAOF | Well, man scp and sftp don't say anything about it. so I'll trust them :) |
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| 04:22.19 | changuito | Please; could somebody search for me some public proxys for web browsing working with any port but 80 and 8080. I need them since my gateway port 80 and 8080 died, and it will take a long time since they got them fixed. I would really appreciate if anybody could make me that favor. Thanks. |
| 04:22.41 | Arafangi1n | kameron: Unlike some OS's where you hit a wierd button on the keyboard then drag the file to the trash, you must load a program to do so instead, such as k3b |
| 04:22.51 | Arafangi1n | kameron: That's somewhat tongue-in-cheek, btw :) |
| 04:23.08 | stoned | RAOF: it needs to be DVD format, and in \AUDIO_TS and \VIDEO_TS folders you need to place the transcoded VOB files |
| 04:23.15 | stoned | then you can burn it as a video dvd |
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| 04:23.24 | stoned | and I like to use k3b |
| 04:23.32 | Supaplex | changuito: never underestimate the power of ssh -D |
| 04:23.32 | kameron | .....okay. so can i burn it as straight data and it will play, or do i have to burn it as a video dvd.. orrr? i have gnomebaker and k3b Arafangi1n |
| 04:23.38 | RAOF | stoned: You're directing that at the wrong person :) |
| 04:23.46 | stoned | I am |
| 04:23.47 | Arafangi1n | stoned: The reference to the other OS, on the other hand, was tongue-in-cheek :) |
| 04:23.59 | changuito | Supaplex, well.. if there is anyway of browsing web via ssh, i am all eyes. |
| 04:24.10 | Supaplex | changuito: ssh -D. man ssh :) |
| 04:24.21 | stoned | who the hell did I just talk to now? |
| 04:24.29 | changuito | Supaplex, errr.. ok. But.... how? :-P |
| 04:24.30 | stoned | oh |
| 04:24.35 | stoned | kameron: hey i meant that for you |
| 04:24.54 | Supaplex | changuito: ask the fishing pole. I have no fish. |
| 04:25.06 | Arafangi1n | kameron: stoned is blind, sometimes he finds it confusing who si talking to who, make sure you let him know where you are if you want to talk to him properly :) |
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| 04:25.10 | stoned | kameron: it needs to be DVD format, and in \AUDIO_TS and \VIDEO_TS folders you need to place the transcoded VOB files then you can burn it as a video dvd. I like to use k3b |
| 04:25.16 | kameron | stoned, i prefer k3b too. so do i have to convert the mpg to vobs and crap? |
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| 04:25.25 | stoned | kameron: not crap I hope |
| 04:25.30 | stoned | vobs are ok |
| 04:25.36 | kameron | stoned, well, just vobs haha. how do i do that? |
| 04:25.48 | stoned | I dunno, use mencoder |
| 04:25.55 | stoned | lots to tutorials on google |
| 04:26.38 | kameron | but tovid already made it in Mpeg-layer II which i've read over and over works in a standalone dvd player. it's like a DVD-VCD or something. |
| 04:26.49 | changuito | err. ok Supaplex |
| 04:26.51 | kameron | i just don't know how to burn it stoned |
| 04:27.00 | stoned | kameron: are you serious? |
| 04:27.08 | kameron | afaik stoned |
| 04:27.15 | stoned | I _just_ now told you |
| 04:27.20 | stoned | like 1 minute ago |
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| 04:27.52 | kameron | okay so is mpeg layer II not standalone DVD compatible? |
| 04:28.03 | stoned | I dunno |
| 04:28.19 | stoned | http://www.linux.com/articles/53702 |
| 04:28.22 | stoned | here |
| 04:28.25 | stoned | have fun |
| 04:29.08 | kameron | will do. |
| 04:29.26 | Arafangi1n | stoned: I believe the expression is "Knock yourself out." |
| 04:29.32 | stoned | word |
| 04:29.43 | stoned | I'm trying to get rid of my bag so I can quit again |
| 04:29.54 | Arafangi1n | Bag? |
| 04:29.59 | stoned | so I'm kinda good and toasted ehehe |
| 04:30.01 | stoned | anyway |
| 04:30.10 | Arafangi1n | Tabacco or some some kind of weed? |
| 04:30.29 | stoned | umm... tobacco |
| 04:30.53 | kameron | stoned, okay so it is compatible, but to burn it i have to author a dvd kind of deal. |
| 04:30.55 | Arafangi1n | stoned: Here it's almost entirely dealt in cigarettes. |
| 04:31.16 | Arafangi1n | stoned: A few old country men sometimes use pipes, though. |
| 04:32.05 | Arafangi1n | stoned: Wreaks havoc with my health! Gives me asthma if I'm near smokers :( |
| 04:32.14 | stoned | yeh thats legit |
| 04:32.32 | stoned | I hate the rest of the people who complain about second hand smoke |
| 04:32.39 | stoned | my back hurts |
| 04:32.48 | Arafangi1n | stoned: Well, with me it actually does give me asthma. |
| 04:33.03 | Arafangi1n | stoned: Which is a pain because my grandparents smoke. |
| 04:33.45 | Arafangi1n | stoned: I'm of the view that smoking should be phased out - but current smokers should not be abused. |
| 04:33.53 | Arafangi1n | stoned: ie, with a generational view. |
| 04:34.05 | stoned | I don't smoke tobacco dude |
| 04:34.08 | stoned | I hate cigs |
| 04:34.17 | stoned | I smoke once in a blue moon rarely ever if i do |
| 04:34.27 | Arafangi1n | stoned: Yet you hate those who complain about second hand smoke. |
| 04:34.38 | stoned | yeh |
| 04:35.18 | Supaplex | my guess is stoned uses the 'all natural' stuff to get high. :P |
| 04:35.30 | stoned | I mean hate is a strong word |
| 04:35.40 | stoned | I just think they need to stfu |
| 04:35.47 | Guerin | is it even possible to argue that second-hand smoke isn't evil? |
| 04:35.55 | \amethyst | stoned: or at least stop driving their cars |
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| 04:36.13 | stoned | I've never heard of anyone getting cancer from second hand smoke. |
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| 04:36.38 | stoned | I've never heard of anyone having a heartattack because of second hand smoke. |
| 04:36.45 | stoned | have you? |
| 04:36.45 | Guerin | stoned: your lack of awareness of publicly available infformation is not my concern |
| 04:36.59 | Guerin | various medical councils have |
| 04:37.12 | \amethyst | You don't get cancer "from" something... various things make it more or less likely |
| 04:37.24 | Arafangi1n | And asthma /is/ an immediate consequence of second hand smoke for various people. |
| 04:37.28 | stoned | if nicotine is the most addictive substance on the planet, as they claim, and if so many people are dying from second hand smoke, then they must have been addicted to second hand smoke quite some years ago |
| 04:37.32 | stoned | right? |
| 04:37.46 | Guerin | stoned: you're stupid. |
| 04:37.49 | stoned | you see the bullshit propaganda |
| 04:37.52 | stoned | obviously not |
| 04:37.53 | Guerin | no |
| 04:37.54 | \amethyst | stoned: The problem isn't the nicotine, it's the other stuff |
| 04:38.00 | Guerin | i see bullshit justifications from a smoker |
| 04:38.13 | stoned | I don't smoke cigs |
| 04:38.16 | stoned | I hate tobacco |
| 04:38.17 | Guerin | neither do i |
| 04:38.23 | k-man_ | neither do i |
| 04:38.26 | Guerin | but when I smoke other stuff I take it the fuck outside |
| 04:38.28 | stoned | I loath it, the smell of it |
| 04:38.29 | stoned | ugh |
| 04:38.31 | \amethyst | Arafangi1n: nicotine |
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| 04:38.39 | Guerin | Arafangi1n: nicotine, by a very substantial margin |
| 04:38.47 | \amethyst | Arafangi1n: I can go a day without caffeine and, other than being a little tired, I'd hardly notice |
| 04:39.00 | stoned | there is a fundamental difiference in our thougts |
| 04:39.04 | \amethyst | Arafangi1n: I would certainly notice if my cigs went missing from two hours |
| 04:39.05 | stoned | we are not going to see eye to eye on this |
| 04:39.07 | stoned | so fuck it |
| 04:39.14 | \amethyst | s/from/for/ |
| 04:39.15 | DawnLight | i am installing debian on an irrigation valve control box, which will control valves all day and perhaps also do some minor jobs in the future. which partitioning scheme should i go for? there will be no real users on that machine |
| 04:39.16 | Guerin | stoned: yes. Yours aren't informed and are based on anecdote. |
| 04:39.21 | Arafangi1n | \amethyst: I see. |
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| 04:39.37 | stoned | Guerin: and you take life too seriously |
| 04:39.45 | Guerin | DawnLight: whichever one you know how to maintain best. |
| 04:39.47 | Arafangi1n | \amethyst: You have almost the worst nick on the channel, makes me worry about typing /amethyst each time ;) |
| 04:39.51 | Guerin | stoned: hah! |
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| 04:40.30 | DawnLight | i am thinking one partition since i see no point in seperate homes |
| 04:40.34 | \amethyst | Arafangi1n: Blame the Scandinavians and Finns |
| 04:40.52 | stoned | my point exactly |
| 04:40.56 | stoned | I always say that heh |
| 04:41.06 | Arafangi1n | My poison is my obsessive addition to coffee. |
| 04:41.12 | stoned | and whats the point in drinking if it doesn't get you drunk |
| 04:41.19 | Arafangi1n | If I sleep in, I get a headache because I've missed my "hit". |
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| 04:42.03 | Guerin | i don't believe I've ever been addicted to anything |
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| 04:42.23 | Guerin | you could argue I was addicted to coffee when I was a barista, drinking ~10 a day |
| 04:42.29 | stoned | I am an addict |
| 04:42.31 | Guerin | but then, one day, I quit my job and Just Stopped |
| 04:42.34 | stoned | I am addicted to my computer |
| 04:42.35 | Arafangi1n | Guerin: I'm addicted to chilli, and coffee. |
| 04:42.41 | \amethyst | Guerin: Does your dopamine work okay? :) |
| 04:42.41 | DawnLight | addictions are like holes in ones personnality. i won't have that |
| 04:42.42 | stoned | and I am hoplessly addicted to my guitar |
| 04:42.43 | Gigantic | .!boo |
| 04:42.57 | Guerin | \amethyst: seems to. How would I know if it didn't? |
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| 04:43.07 | Arafangi1n | What the heck is dopamine? |
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| 04:43.21 | Guerin | Arafangi1n: hormone released in response to certain drugs. |
| 04:43.22 | stoned | like truely addicted you don't understand like if I don't get to play my guitar I get really unpleasant and snappy |
| 04:43.24 | \amethyst | Guerin: Or maybe that part of your brain works better than ours |
| 04:43.35 | \amethyst | Arafangion: neurotransmitter actually |
| 04:43.36 | Guerin | \amethyst: i wouldn't necessarily say `better' |
| 04:43.38 | bkw | Is it possible to have netcat NOT overwriting existing files? |
| 04:43.43 | Arafangion | \amethyst: Ahh, cool. |
| 04:43.52 | Guerin | bkw: no. Netcat is a blunt object. |
| 04:44.09 | Arafangion | Guerin: My friends can all tell if I have had my coffee or haven't, just by observing me for about 2 seconds. |
| 04:44.13 | Guerin | bkw: you can probably pipe it into something else, though |
| 04:44.22 | Arafangion | Guerin: Despite the fact I drink extremely little coffee - I just have it very regularly. |
| 04:44.22 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:44.28 | stoned | windows should have had that stuf fin dos |
| 04:44.35 | stoned | or ms rather |
| 04:44.42 | Guerin | Arafangion: so you have one sip an hour or something? |
| 04:44.44 | Arafangion | Guerin: I drink, on average, the equivalent of 2 cups a day, but I sometimes go to 4. |
| 04:44.50 | Guerin | ah yeah |
| 04:45.04 | Guerin | i usually have coffee in the morning, but that's strictly because I get up at 0502 |
| 04:45.06 | stoned | goddamn compared to nix windows just sucks i mean i didn't realize this back then but the more i learn about nix the more i'm like damn |
| 04:45.15 | Arafangion | Guerin: I say the equivalent, because the only coffee I drink is double-shot espresso, adn if it's bitter I refuse to touch the disgusting thing. |
| 04:45.24 | xacier | what is the acrobat reader package name in debian? |
| 04:45.41 | stoned | xacier: you can just use xpdf to read pdf files |
| 04:45.46 | Guerin | Arafangion: standards. We like standards. I drink my own coffee, my brother's espresso, and not much else. |
| 04:45.47 | Arafangion | xacier: evince is nice. |
| 04:45.52 | Guerin | he runs a very famous cafe |
| 04:46.09 | stoned | xacier: if you want adobe acrobat reader you should /msg dpkg dmm and add those repositories and then do mozilla-acroread |
| 04:46.14 | stoned | i think |
| 04:46.39 | Guerin | opiates are bad |
| 04:46.45 | stoned | no they are lovely |
| 04:46.56 | streuner | drop that |
| 04:46.59 | Guerin | until you turn into an insane junkie |
| 04:47.12 | stoned | junkies are not cool |
| 04:47.15 | stoned | they smell |
| 04:48.10 | Guerin | and that's not the worst of it |
| 04:48.21 | stoned | tony hawk games |
| 04:48.25 | stoned | ollie the magic bum |
| 04:48.29 | stoned | hehe |
| 04:48.35 | DawnLight | a nice goal is to be able to bliss spontanously |
| 04:48.42 | stoned | bliss? |
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| 04:49.04 | Guerin | DawnLight: you keep with the tantric bizzo, I'll stick to sex and beer |
| 04:49.05 | Gigantic | * opium tea is not bad... |
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| 04:49.30 | stoned | poppy seed bagles |
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| 04:49.39 | stoned | with lots of cream cheese |
| 04:49.44 | DawnLight | don't seperate us like that, brother |
| 04:49.45 | Gigantic | Guerin: two things that make you sleepy |
| 04:49.48 | stoned | oh man no wonder I'm getting fat |
| 04:50.00 | Gigantic | Guerin: afterwards... |
| 04:50.05 | stoned | I gained 20 lbs in 4 months |
| 04:50.11 | Guerin | Gigantic: beer only makes you sleepy in absurd quantities |
| 04:50.13 | stoned | thats like 5 lbs a month |
| 04:50.13 | streuner | mcd? |
| 04:50.17 | stoned | all fat |
| 04:50.18 | Guerin | http://lyricwiki.org/Pat_Mccurdy:Sex_And_Beer |
| 04:50.22 | stoned | mcd? |
| 04:50.33 | Guerin | onald's |
| 04:50.49 | DawnLight | i have an addiction to sugar and something strong for food. it relaxes me |
| 04:50.55 | stoned | man mango milkshake with 2% and some honey is the bomb diggity |
| 04:51.06 | Guerin | stoned: salt lassi! |
| 04:51.10 | Guerin | FTW |
| 04:51.10 | stoned | omg! |
| 04:51.12 | stoned | yousait it |
| 04:51.18 | stoned | oh dude I haven't had that stuff in al ong time |
| 04:51.22 | stoned | I'll go make some tonight |
| 04:51.26 | Guerin | i miss salt lassi most of all |
| 04:51.30 | stoned | I got some plain white yogurt |
| 04:51.34 | stoned | and i got salt |
| 04:51.36 | Guerin | from working in a restaurant |
| 04:51.54 | stoned | alright I'm gonna go get some grub and make lassi |
| 04:52.13 | kameron | thanks stoned, burning the dvd now. |
| 04:52.18 | stoned | welcome |
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| 04:52.26 | Guerin | forget beer for killing the heat of a hot curry, lassi is the shiznit |
| 04:53.31 | Arafangion | What is salt lassi |
| 04:53.51 | Guerin | Arafangion: a salty yoghurt drink from the indian subcontinent |
| 04:54.18 | Arafangion | Ahh. |
| 04:54.45 | Guerin | no lassi for you |
| 04:54.46 | \amethyst | allergic or lactose-intolerant? |
| 04:54.51 | Arafangion | \amethyst: Allergic. |
| 04:55.20 | \amethyst | allergic to cigarette smoke, too? |
| 04:55.42 | \amethyst | I had bad allergies when I was younger |
| 04:56.17 | \amethyst | including corn, which is present in damn near everything in the united states :) |
| 04:56.25 | \amethyst | maize that is |
| 04:56.33 | Arafangion | \amethyst: I know someone who is allergic to corn starch. |
| 04:57.08 | stoned | man I dunno what the hell she cooked, its like got veges in it, some weird veges i never seen, and meat, and thick gravey, some rice, and carrots and lassi |
| 04:57.08 | Guerin | Arafangion: which means they can eat practically nothing |
| 04:57.11 | stoned | ommmm |
| 04:57.21 | Arafangion | Guerin: Processed, that is - indeed. |
| 04:57.39 | Guerin | Arafangion: as I said - in North America, practically nothing ;) |
| 04:58.04 | Arafangion | Guerin: Heh. It's not likely to be quite as bad in Australia, but damn well nearly everything here has milk in it :( |
| 04:58.11 | Arafangion | Guerin: Including salt and vinegar chips. :( |
| 04:58.16 | Guerin | hah |
| 04:58.24 | Arafangion | Guerin: Heck, including ham, depending on where you get it. |
| 04:58.29 | stoned | Guerin: lets just hope a brawndo like company dealing in maize takes over |
| 04:58.59 | Guerin | stoned: let's hope I manage to stockpile enough ammo to defend my permaculture farm before that happens |
| 04:59.08 | Arafangion | permaculture? |
| 04:59.12 | Guerin | you're welcome, but only if you bring your own ammo |
| 04:59.22 | Guerin | Arafangion: the science of sustainable farming |
| 04:59.40 | stoned | yeh |
| 04:59.44 | stoned | I can bring some cows and goats and shit |
| 04:59.52 | Arafangion | Guerin: Ahh, a worthy pursuit. |
| 04:59.57 | stoned | you got camels? |
| 05:00.02 | Guerin | goats+ |
| 05:00.05 | stoned | do u like camels? you want camels? |
| 05:00.08 | Guerin | no camels, durn import permits |
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| 05:00.20 | stoned | ever had a six piece camel nugget? |
| 05:00.27 | stoned | quarter pounder camel with cheese |
| 05:00.28 | Arafangion | Guerin: So long as you investigate economies of scale. |
| 05:00.32 | Supaplex | don't shoot a camel in Arizona. It's like a federal offence or something. |
| 05:00.37 | Guerin | no, camel is one thing I've never had the pleasure of trying |
| 05:00.40 | Guerin | and horse |
| 05:00.46 | Arafangion | I've eaten croc :) |
| 05:00.51 | Guerin | yeah, I have too |
| 05:00.52 | stoned | they got quarter pounder camel cheeseburgers in arabia |
| 05:00.55 | Arafangion | Rather interesting meat. |
| 05:00.56 | \amethyst | Llamas are easier to procure than camels, and make better clothing |
| 05:01.07 | Arafangion | I had it on pizza, back when I could handle a little dairy. |
| 05:01.12 | Guerin | goats are apparently the most bestest animal for permaculture |
| 05:01.15 | \amethyst | How they work the little knitting needles, I'll never know |
| 05:01.21 | Arafangion | Guerin: What about kangaroo? |
| 05:01.25 | Arafangion | Guerin ;) |
| 05:01.36 | Arafangion | Guerin: No hooves. |
| 05:01.39 | Guerin | they breed and grow fast, eat anything, are extremely hardy, produce lots og extremely high quality milk, and eat anything |
| 05:01.54 | Guerin | Arafangion: too dangerous, unless you put boxing gloves on them |
| 05:01.58 | Arafangion | Guerin: Haha. |
| 05:02.01 | stoned | goats kick ass |
| 05:02.06 | stoned | hail satan |
| 05:02.10 | stoned | I mean, ahem, typo |
| 05:02.13 | Arafangion | Guerin: Goat milk, if fresh, is quite good indeed. |
| 05:02.15 | stoned | goats kick ass, really |
| 05:02.20 | Guerin | oh yeah |
| 05:02.31 | Guerin | and cheap, too, and in NZ, very easy indeed to hunt |
| 05:02.34 | Arafangion | Guerin: That UHT stuff in the supermarket is shit, in the literal sense :( |
| 05:02.57 | Arafangion | Guerin: It's goat milk gone bad, but treated so that it's technically safe to drink :( |
| 05:03.02 | Guerin | Arafangion: all supermarket milk is nasty. I grew up on a dairy farm. |
| 05:03.14 | metbsd | when i use sftp, is the file being transfered encryped? |
| 05:03.22 | Guerin | metbsd: yes. |
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| 05:03.28 | xacier | is debian the only free one with no commercial influence? |
| 05:03.38 | stoned | thats why my family pays poor people to live and take care of cows back home so we can have fresh milk |
| 05:03.39 | Guerin | xacier: no. |
| 05:03.42 | Arafangion | Guerin: Many people probably don't even know what milk tastes like fresh. |
| 05:03.51 | streuner | xacier: there are plenty distros out there |
| 05:04.01 | xacier | gentoo eh |
| 05:04.03 | Guerin | xacier: it's the only one whose policy *requires* that it have no commercial interest, so in a sense the only one which can be guaranteed. |
| 05:04.10 | streuner | !gentoosmite xacier |
| 05:04.19 | Guerin | but others do - gentoo, slack, for instance. |
| 05:04.20 | xacier | oh ok |
| 05:04.30 | Guerin | Arafangion: my wife is one such person. |
| 05:05.11 | DawnLight | an old cd drive manufactured in 2000 failed to boot debian-installer. can it be that it is because it doesn't read burnt cds? |
| 05:05.18 | metbsd | i don't know how to restore a system that has raid |
| 05:05.29 | Guerin | DawnLight: possible, but unlikely. |
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| 05:05.49 | stoned | Guerin: Aisha likes kubuntu cuz it looks like windows |
| 05:05.56 | stoned | damn windows users |
| 05:05.59 | Guerin | stoned: aww. |
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| 05:06.17 | streuner | stoned: what stops her to run Debian with KDE? |
| 05:06.25 | streuner | should be the same |
| 05:06.29 | stoned | cuz im not there to configure it for her |
| 05:06.36 | stoned | med school doesn't leave too much time to computer wankery |
| 05:06.58 | streuner | Debian's KDE is well configured |
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| 05:07.09 | streuner | you dont have to do much |
| 05:07.11 | DawnLight | med school is no less wankery |
| 05:07.22 | stoned | shes never used linux before, I mailed her a kubuntu cd and told her to boot with it |
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| 05:07.37 | stoned | she isn't computer savvy, savvy? |
| 05:07.37 | streuner | oh, you were the one, shame on you :-) |
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| 05:09.14 | rokra | Hello, Is someone familiar with lighttpd? |
| 05:09.30 | streuner | !ask |
| 05:09.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 05:10.01 | metbsd | is it possible to wipe everything on an existing system, and reinstall everything? |
| 05:10.27 | stoned | metbsd: yes |
| 05:10.30 | stoned | and very easy too |
| 05:10.35 | metbsd | how |
| 05:10.39 | rokra | I have a problem with a $HTTP["host"] not matched on lighttpd , is someone know how debug this prob? |
| 05:10.40 | stoned | just download the etch cd, boot with it, during partitionsetup, wipe the disk |
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| 05:11.04 | metbsd | but i have raid configuration, can that cd install to raid, md0? |
| 05:11.22 | stoned | yes |
| 05:11.28 | stoned | !ig |
| 05:11.29 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 05:11.31 | stoned | read this |
| 05:11.42 | streuner | rokra: How did you get this error-(message)? |
| 05:11.50 | metbsd | can i mount the cd and install it |
| 05:12.19 | Guerin | you have our permission |
| 05:12.24 | stoned | lol |
| 05:12.36 | metbsd | i want to mount it and install, without rebooting |
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| 05:12.49 | stoned | read the install guide |
| 05:12.52 | Guerin | it don't work that way |
| 05:13.02 | Guerin | but you could use debootstrap |
| 05:13.17 | metbsd | i have raid1 |
| 05:13.35 | Guerin | i have beer |
| 05:14.18 | yster | guerin wins |
| 05:14.18 | streuner | rokra: +v |
| 05:15.04 | DawnLight | what is a light desktop environment? |
| 05:15.07 | rokra | streuner: when I try to acces to my domain , I m redirected to my home folder instead of the necessary folder |
| 05:15.16 | Guerin | DawnLight: xfce is one |
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| 05:15.27 | yster | twm =p |
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| 05:15.50 | DawnLight | i think i'll go with xfce just because i've heard the name the most |
| 05:15.52 | streuner | rokra: know only apache, you have to set that up there in httpd.conf or such |
| 05:15.52 | rokra | streuner: but may be the conf in the HTTP["host"] is not correct because this is a cgi mason configuration :s and I don t know where the error can be , because I m not expert lighttpd |
| 05:15.59 | DawnLight | its for my irrigation box |
| 05:16.10 | rokra | streuner: on apache2 all is working properly |
| 05:16.32 | rokra | streuner: but I want to migrate to lighttpd because mason cgi is really slow on apache |
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| 05:17.43 | stoned | irrigation? |
| 05:18.23 | Arafangion | rokra: Consider fcgi approaches. |
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| 05:22.55 | simonrvn | perl is also just plain slow too |
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| 05:24.23 | DawnLight | stoned: yea, i'm using it to control irrigation valves that give mist to my sprouts |
| 05:24.45 | Arafangion | Perl is usually fast enough. |
| 05:24.53 | Arafangion | Especially if it's already linked into apache. |
| 05:25.09 | simonrvn | mod_perl is such a hog though :/ |
| 05:25.35 | streuner | you never run a 200Mhz box and used webstats then :-) |
| 05:25.58 | Arafangion | for websites, I tend to use php :) |
| 05:26.02 | streuner | s/webstats/awstats/ |
| 05:26.03 | DawnLight | i used an irrigation app for windows to give orders to the irrigation unit through a com port but now i want to program it myself. the developer of the unit released the protocol so i'll see if i can write something |
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| 05:28.13 | streuner | php is crap |
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| 05:28.20 | streuner | many securityholes |
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| 05:29.02 | stoned | holes |
| 05:29.10 | stoned | cheese |
| 05:29.32 | streuner | stoned: :-) |
| 05:29.34 | stoned | little tiny mice |
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| 05:30.05 | stoned | streuner: whats going on ? |
| 05:30.44 | stoned | i got bit bit a friggin mosquito man |
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| 05:31.06 | stoned | that mosquito really kicked my ass, I scratched the skin off man and it still itches |
| 05:32.11 | simonrvn | DawnLight: neat |
| 05:32.47 | stoned | ahh gold bond |
| 05:32.50 | simonrvn | stoned: down there they're tiny. up here, they're the size of moose. they're the provincial bird of manitoba |
| 05:33.05 | stoned | lol |
| 05:33.11 | rokra | Arafangion: what means your sentences? |
| 05:33.11 | stoned | im from louisiana man |
| 05:33.26 | simonrvn | oh down there they're big too |
| 05:33.29 | Arafangion | rokra: My sentences mean what they are. |
| 05:33.32 | stoned | we got mosquitoes the size of wasps n shit |
| 05:33.36 | stoned | well not really but you get the piont |
| 05:33.55 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 05:34.07 | stoned | you ever heard of this rat that fulsl of nutrition |
| 05:34.13 | stoned | like a nutrarat |
| 05:34.33 | stoned | people in LA eat that stuff man |
| 05:34.47 | stoned | they catch em in lakes and ponds and shit, they arel ike giant rats |
| 05:35.00 | simonrvn | i fixed something in my MTA that was breaking some deliveries from certain kinds of hosts. took me probably 2 total days worth of time to figure it out |
| 05:35.16 | stoned | 2days is a long time |
| 05:35.18 | simonrvn | hm, no, never heard of it |
| 05:35.23 | stoned | I give up on a poop after 12 minutes |
| 05:35.25 | simonrvn | yes |
| 05:36.34 | rokra | Arafangion: so what is the fcgi approch |
| 05:36.44 | stoned | http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/7720/nutria.html |
| 05:36.49 | simonrvn | well that's good, no security updates |
| 05:36.55 | stoned | nutria rat |
| 05:37.01 | simonrvn | oh nutria, yeh, i've heard of those |
| 05:37.12 | Bogus8_ | I run a program that for some reason keeps rm'ing a directory that it needs.. kind of silly I know... but is there a way to have the user that runs the program have write access inside the dir but not be able to delete it? |
| 05:37.45 | Arafangion | Bogus8_: Deny write access to the directory. |
| 05:38.04 | Bogus8_ | Arafangion: I need to write files inside that directory though |
| 05:38.23 | Arafangion | Bogus8_: Why not allow them to delete it? |
| 05:38.26 | stoned | you do, do ya |
| 05:38.27 | Arafangion | Bogus8_: It's the same thing. |
| 05:38.31 | stoned | hmm |
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| 05:38.42 | stoned | I'm sleepy |
| 05:38.48 | Arafangion | Bogus8_: They can do alot worse with the file than merely delete it ;) |
| 05:38.48 | Bogus8_ | Arafangion: the program is doing it... but it needs it at the same time.. so I have to keep recreatingit |
| 05:38.53 | valdyn | Bogus8_: ls -ld /tmp for an example |
| 05:39.05 | simonrvn | setattr +i i don't think will work on a dir... but worth finding out |
| 05:39.21 | Arafangion | simonrvn: I think you're thinking of chmod +t |
| 05:39.22 | Bogus8_ | valdyn: what is that "t" at the end? |
| 05:39.34 | simonrvn | no i'm not |
| 05:39.43 | Arafangion | Bogus8_: A "special" bit. |
| 05:39.54 | Bogus8_ | reading chmod's man page now for it |
| 05:40.07 | Arafangion | Bogus8_: Allows you full control of a directory except that of files not owned by you. |
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| 05:40.28 | Bogus8_ | Arafangion: that would work then wouldn't it? |
| 05:40.34 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 05:40.36 | Bogus8_ | or not of the directory also? |
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| 05:42.08 | Bogus8_ | nope, it still let my user delete the directory :( |
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| 05:45.15 | Noborusan | hi guys |
| 05:45.21 | alvin_lee | Hi. I am installing debian on a k6-2 500MHz. How is the most reomended kernel image to me? |
| 05:45.59 | Guerin | alvin_lee: 486 |
| 05:45.59 | tralala | The default one |
| 05:46.14 | alvin_lee | Guerin, thanks :) |
| 05:46.27 | Guerin | NFWM |
| 05:46.29 | tralala | Guerin, 486? |
| 05:46.39 | Guerin | tralala: yes. |
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| 05:46.44 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 05:47.07 | lkthomas | if I want to assign real ip to the machine which connected to my virtual bridge br0, what should I do ? |
| 05:48.22 | tralala | hmm, no -k6 anymore |
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| 05:49.05 | Arafangion | What happened to the -k6's? |
| 05:49.48 | Coweater | they got old |
| 05:49.58 | tralala | and the whole -586 line actually |
| 05:50.27 | Coweater | probably too much work to maintain for no gains |
| 05:50.28 | Arafangion | Surely not much older than the m68k's, and it was only in Sarge that they got retired. |
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| 05:50.53 | Coweater | m68k is a seperate architecture |
| 05:51.47 | Arafangion | Merely incompatible. |
| 05:51.50 | tralala | about to be abandoned I read (a while ago) |
| 05:51.53 | Coweater | and it dates back to the 80s, much older than k6 |
| 05:52.08 | Arafangion | tralala: Is, or rather, allowed to retire. |
| 05:54.47 | tralala | heh, nice way of putting it |
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| 05:56.18 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:57.04 | karsten | simonrvn: No problems (late response) |
| 05:57.21 | hcy | i have sun ultra that doesn't show anything on the monitor when it boots up because, apparently, it's expecting to be run via serial console. a while ago someone told me that if i get a null modem cable, i'll be able to control it from my laptop. the cable just came in the mail. so, how do i use my laptop (which runs debian) as a serial console for my sun? |
| 05:57.25 | Guerin | Mayoral candidates for NZ's largest city: a former Minister of Police; a pornographer; a cereal baron; and an academic |
| 05:57.38 | Guerin | and the crazy think is that it's the former police minister who's the most insane |
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| 05:58.06 | tralala | hcy, with minicom |
| 05:58.11 | hcy | tralala: thanks |
| 05:59.12 | yangvnc | hcy: use it with the screen command - type screen /dev/ttyS0 9600 on yur laptop and plug the cable into RS-232 port |
| 05:59.25 | tralala | I wonder what's the pornographer promising... free porn stars for the people?! |
| 05:59.43 | hcy | yangvnc: thanks, that sounds even easier |
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| 06:00.15 | tralala | Oh, screen can do serial communications! yummy! |
| 06:00.47 | yangvnc | hcy: if you will have sparc related questions join Â#debin-sparc on irc.oftc.net |
| 06:00.57 | yangvnc | #debian-sparc thats it |
| 06:01.02 | hcy | thanks |
| 06:01.10 | Guerin | tralala: he organises an annual parade called Boobs On Bikes, featuring porn stars on choppers, down the main street every year; among other such events |
| 06:01.43 | yangvnc | boobs on bikes, lol |
| 06:01.47 | Guerin | sure beats a free bowl of corn flakes with every vote |
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| 06:05.36 | xacier | adioz |
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| 06:05.40 | tralala | Guerin, so his platform for the city is more "boobs on bikes"? |
| 06:06.27 | Guerin | tralala: nobody is quite sure what his platform is, but he's claiming it won't be related to his business |
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| 06:07.56 | tralala | As Pratchet would put it you "live in interesting times" |
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| 06:08.16 | Guerin | that's not pratchett |
| 06:08.23 | Guerin | that's Lao Tzu |
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| 06:10.23 | tralala | I've read only the former so my ignorance should be excused. |
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| 06:12.02 | hcy | hi, sorry, xchat crashed. i'm back. "screen" doesn't seem to be working, it says "cannot access line '/dev/ttyS0' for R/W. Permission denied. Sorry, could not find a PTY." And then exits |
| 06:12.22 | tarzeau | abchirk: ? |
| 06:13.33 | yangvnc | hcy: list your devices in /dev/ttyS* ... it could be ttyS1 or so. and you need to plug the cable into RS-232 port this is the one with 9-pins - male |
| 06:13.43 | tralala | hcy, add yourself to the group dialout, logoff and login again |
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| 06:14.33 | yangvnc | hcy: do as tralala said, or use screen as root |
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| 06:16.38 | hcy | yangvnc, tralala: thanks |
| 06:16.41 | hcy | trying |
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| 06:21.34 | hcy | is there any way to check which ttyS my computer is using, like to cat it or something? the cable's hooked up between the two properly but both screen and minicom don't do anything |
| 06:22.34 | Azar | hcy: w |
| 06:23.23 | hcy | Azar: huh? |
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| 06:23.43 | Azar | hcy: well sorry I haven't read all, now I realize what you asked |
| 06:24.33 | hcy | cat /dev/ttyS0 (from root) returns nothing, cat /dev/ttyS1 returns "Input/output error" |
| 06:25.05 | Azar | tarzeau: |
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| 06:26.58 | Azar | <ch> Cn linux just drop some chrcters from the keybord or is it more likely tht my lptop keybord is bd? |
| 06:27.27 | donaldo | i've been reading http://roumenpetrov.info/articles/locale_env_in_ssh_session.html for help on getting my locales/character encodings over ssh working properly. but on my Etch server, /etc/ssh/sshd_config already contains the line "AcceptEnv LANG LC_*" yet when i shell in, my locale environs seem to be being ignored. any advice? |
| 06:27.35 | tralala | hcy, paste the output of dmesg to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 06:27.35 | Azar | Guerin should solve that question :) |
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| 06:29.56 | hcy | tralala: http://rafb.net/p/FiDG1e12.html |
| 06:32.06 | tralala | hcy, okay, you have only one serial port - ttyS0. Is your cable connected? |
| 06:32.20 | hcy | yes |
| 06:32.52 | tralala | and cat returns nothing? |
| 06:33.17 | hcy | that's right, it just sortof hangs |
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| 06:33.38 | tralala | it's not hanging - it's waiting for input |
| 06:33.39 | yangvnc | tralala: you need to plug the cable on ULTRA into A port (DB-25pin) |
| 06:33.44 | yangvnc | erm hcy |
| 06:33.49 | tralala | anyway what's the sparc running? |
| 06:33.57 | hcy | gentoo |
| 06:34.26 | hcy | the A port is a parallel port, not a serial port. this is a nine-pin cable |
| 06:34.28 | tralala | hcy, give me gentoo's dmesg |
| 06:34.47 | yangvnc | hcy: its for serial connections |
| 06:35.13 | hcy | tralala: i can't cause the only way i can get to the gentoo will be by serial console, i used to do it with ssh but that's not working now which is why i'm trying to do it this way. darn. |
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| 06:35.18 | yangvnc | hcy: which sparc do you got? |
| 06:35.26 | hcy | ultra 5 |
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| 06:35.54 | yangvnc | hcy: Ultra-5 has 3x DB-25 ports A, B, //, you need to put the cable into A |
| 06:36.40 | tralala | hcy, I'm not sure that gentoo is set up to communicate on the serial port. |
| 06:37.02 | hcy | this is a 9-pin cable not a 25-pin one, i ordered a serial-to-serial (9 to 9pin cable) specifically because someone here told me that's what i'd have to do |
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| 06:37.11 | hcy | grumble |
| 06:37.48 | yangvnc | hcy: however to be able to log in with gentoo you need to setup getty on gentoo first, otherwise you wonßßt get the login prompt. But you will definitelly see the ultra-5 openprom screen |
| 06:38.15 | hcy | that's what i'm looking for -- the openprom screen, but i'm not getting it |
| 06:38.32 | yangvnc | with 9 pin-9pin you are out of luck, buy a converter |
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| 06:38.41 | valdyn | hcy: is that a nullmodem or just a serial cable? |
| 06:38.41 | yangvnc | 9pin to 25 pin male |
| 06:38.43 | shingouz | just a thought: the cable has to be serial-serial, not a serial null-modem? |
| 06:38.46 | hcy | nullmodem |
| 06:38.58 | hcy | it's nullmodem |
| 06:39.08 | valdyn | needs to be nullmodem.. |
| 06:39.18 | assasukasse | morning everyone |
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| 06:39.40 | hcy | it's a 9pin-9pin nullmodem. |
| 06:39.43 | hcy | so it's useless? |
| 06:40.20 | yangvnc | it isnßßt useless, its probably the right cable, but its missing db-25 plug which you need for the ultra-5 |
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| 06:40.46 | hcy | ok i'll look for a converter i guess |
| 06:40.52 | shingouz | hcy: get a nice adapter for it. 9pin to 25 pin |
| 06:40.56 | hcy | thanks |
| 06:43.23 | hcy | so once i get one, screen and/or minicom should work, yes? |
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| 06:44.00 | tralala | yes, but the chances are you won't get to gentoo |
| 06:44.16 | hcy | tralala: oh no |
| 06:44.22 | hcy | tralala: well, worth a try i suppose |
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| 06:45.09 | tralala | sure, there's almost nothing to lose (save for a few bucks on the converter and the cable) |
| 06:45.22 | hcy | k, thanks |
| 06:45.32 | tralala | why is ssh not working anyway? |
| 06:45.46 | hcy | the sun isn't connecting to the network. i have no idea why |
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| 06:46.21 | tralala | it might be clouded ;) |
| 06:46.31 | hcy | haha |
| 06:46.50 | tralala | you said it used to work - maybe the problem is with the network cables |
| 06:47.10 | hcy | no, it was working until i did one of those gentoo update things |
| 06:47.14 | hcy | (big mistake) |
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| 06:48.04 | tralala | the biggest imo is using gentoo in the first place :) |
| 06:48.53 | hcy | i'd gladly switch it to debian at this point but i'm worried about losing my data, which is in virtual drives |
| 06:48.55 | tralala | doesn't this machine have keyboard and monitor plugs? |
| 06:49.16 | tralala | virtual drives? |
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| 06:49.30 | hcy | yes but the monitor just gets to the openprom screen and then hangs, i'm told it's because it's expecting to be controlled via serial console |
| 06:49.39 | hcy | has something to do with the gentoo kernel apparently |
| 06:50.05 | tralala | umh... |
| 06:50.39 | solar_sea | erm, the mix of lenny/sid and japanese language seems to have mixed my locale settings, http://rafb.net/p/Lv3lNN49.html |
| 06:50.44 | solar_sea | can anyone tell me how to fix this ? |
| 06:50.59 | Nopalin | hello, i have a question... i make an iso file of one partition with dd, i mount then that partition and in some files i can see the size is greater than zero but when i try to see them with cat it shows me this error: cat: address.bak: Input/output error |
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| 06:52.38 | tralala | hcy, you could try to boot grml with 'serial' cheatcode and backup your data (you need the nullmodem connection first) |
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| 06:55.19 | xand | f/away |
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| 06:55.48 | hcy | tralala: grml? serial cheatcode? |
| 06:56.23 | MangosDebian | Nopalin: what are you trying to do? create a loopback fs in address.bak that you can mount and use? |
| 06:56.39 | tralala | grml is a live cd that can be used as recovery disc |
| 06:56.58 | Nopalin | MangosDebian: do you speak spanish? my english is not enough |
| 06:57.08 | Nopalin | is not good* |
| 06:57.09 | MangosDebian | no I dont sorry |
| 06:57.11 | Nopalin | ok |
| 06:57.22 | tralala | !es |
| 06:57.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:57.31 | tralala | meh |
| 06:57.32 | Nopalin | i created an iso image with dd |
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| 06:57.54 | numer | i'm using amavis and postfix on a virtual server. unfortunately amavis bounds itself to local loopbackdevice which does not exist on a vserver. does anyone know a workaround |
| 06:57.55 | Nopalin | i mount that image with -o loop |
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| 06:58.01 | kritical | Who broke the nz debian mirror :/ |
| 06:58.16 | MangosDebian | Nopalin: did you mkfs it at any stage? |
| 06:58.29 | Nopalin | MangosDebian: then i browse the mounted iso.. but when i try to copy some files it shows ijput/output error |
| 06:58.39 | Nopalin | MangosDebian: no i didnt |
| 06:58.57 | MangosDebian | Nopalin: dont mount -o loop until it has an fs on it |
| 06:59.26 | Nopalin | MangosDebian: how can i mkfs into it? |
| 06:59.34 | shingouz | a week without checking my email and spam galore |
| 06:59.47 | Nopalin | mkfs it* |
| 06:59.57 | MangosDebian | Nopalin: losetup -d /dev/loop0 address.bak |
| 07:00.23 | Nopalin | MangosDebian: well address.bak is a file inside this iso image |
| 07:00.35 | MangosDebian | Nopalin: err no -d |
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| 07:00.48 | Nopalin | the big is backup.iso |
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| 07:01.17 | MangosDebian | Nopalin: losetup /dev/loop0 address.bak ; mkfs /dev/loop0 ; losetup -d /dev/loop0 ; mount -o loop address.bak /mnt |
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| 07:01.34 | solar_sea | can I install software from etch on lenny? |
| 07:01.51 | tralala | MangosDebian, I thought he said that the immage is an .iso done by dd |
| 07:02.11 | Nopalin | tralala: yes |
| 07:02.17 | MangosDebian | tralala: im assuming he used dd to zero it, but sec |
| 07:02.19 | tralala | solar_sea, maybe |
| 07:02.23 | Guerin | solar_sea: probably not. |
| 07:02.49 | Nopalin | MangosDebian: i made this iso image from fat partition.. i mount the iso image with mount -t vfat -o loop file.iso dir |
| 07:02.53 | MangosDebian | Nopalin: is this dd image of some disc or drive? or some new fs your trying to created zero'd so you can put files in it? |
| 07:02.55 | tralala | Nopalin, did you copy it from a cd? |
| 07:03.00 | MangosDebian | ah ok |
| 07:03.09 | solar_sea | tralala, that maybe .. how?:D |
| 07:03.23 | MangosDebian | Nopalin: hold off on the mkfs's then |
| 07:03.33 | tralala | Nopalin, ai... why did you copy a fat partition with dd? |
| 07:03.38 | solar_sea | I need to get the old mono version that's in etch [1.2.2], the one in lenny [1.2.4] has a bug that prevent me from running a certain app |
| 07:03.45 | Nopalin | MangosDebian: ok, i can copy some file and other i just cant |
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| 07:03.56 | Nopalin | tralala: was a backup |
| 07:03.57 | MangosDebian | Nopalin: what command did you use for the dd? |
| 07:04.07 | yxa | does the 2.6 kernel in etch support PCI-e slots/cards? |
| 07:04.08 | Guerin | solar_sea: you can forward-port it - /msg dpkg simple sid backport, and change the repos accordingly. |
| 07:04.13 | MangosDebian | mainly, the if and of part |
| 07:04.27 | Nopalin | MangosDebian: dd if=/dev/hda1 of=file.iso |
| 07:05.13 | tralala | solar_sea, you add the etch's sources you launch aptitude interactively and you select the version from etch. If your whole distro breaks you will have learnt the lesson of not mixing branches. |
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| 07:05.31 | solar_sea | okey ^_^, thanks |
| 07:05.33 | MangosDebian | Nopalin: im assuming the fs was fsck'd and cleanly dismounted and working before you dd'd? |
| 07:05.59 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:06.02 | Nopalin | MangosDebian well this partition was windows partition |
| 07:06.14 | Nopalin | MangosDebian: i did not mount it, i just dd it |
| 07:06.18 | MangosDebian | Nopalin: i kinda figure that much |
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| 07:06.34 | tralala | I don't have a fat partition to test with, but I'm not so sure it works this way |
| 07:06.59 | MangosDebian | tralala: pretty sure you can dd any fs and mount it loop back |
| 07:07.17 | Nopalin | this is the weird thing |
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| 07:07.32 | MangosDebian | Nopalin: how big is the dd image? same size as the partition? |
| 07:07.36 | Nopalin | in the mounter iso image.. i do ls -lh and it shows the size of he file about 40 kb |
| 07:07.53 | Nopalin | but when i try to copy it outside it shows me Input/Output error :s |
| 07:08.22 | Nopalin | the image is about 15 GB, the partition is about 30GB, |
| 07:08.33 | MangosDebian | Nopalin: so it didnt copy it all |
| 07:08.48 | MangosDebian | run out of space? |
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| 07:09.02 | Nopalin | but the partition was not full of information |
| 07:09.22 | MangosDebian | Nopalin: dd is a bit for bit copy |
| 07:09.27 | tralala | it doesn't matter for dd - it copies the whole partition |
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| 07:09.31 | Nopalin | the partition does not exist anymore.. damn big fucking mistake =( |
| 07:09.38 | MangosDebian | if the part it 1gig, dd will make a 1gig file |
| 07:09.45 | Nopalin | tralala: really? i did not know that =( |
| 07:10.06 | MangosDebian | unless you compress it, it should be exact same size |
| 07:10.27 | Nopalin | MangosDebian: well, that means tha i lost info.. hehe damn it |
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| 07:10.55 | MangosDebian | Nopalin: well, you can always try a fsck if vfat has that tool and recover what you can |
| 07:11.19 | tralala | Nopalin, you backup strategy was wrong since the beginning. You should've used either tar (I'm not so sure about it) or better the windows backup tool |
| 07:11.35 | MangosDebian | Nopalin: losetup /dev/loop0 file.iso ; fsck.vfat /dev/loop0 ; losetup -d /dev/loop0 |
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| 07:12.32 | MangosDebian | tralala: tar would work fine if he mounted it loop since it would appear as linux files. |
| 07:12.49 | Nopalin | tralala: if i have had tar strategy i could not mount the backed up info since the partition where i store the file had no enogh space |
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| 07:13.53 | MangosDebian | Nopalin: tar might have worked since it can compress. but it seems you only had 15gig of space, so unless you get 50%+ and had less than the full 30gig, it may not have mattered |
| 07:13.56 | tralala | MangosDebian, for the backing up it would've worked. I'm not sure about the recovery part. |
| 07:14.20 | tralala | Nopalin, you can extract single files from tar archives |
| 07:14.27 | MangosDebian | tralala: ya, restoring a vfat from a tar seems ify |
| 07:14.28 | Nopalin | MangosDebian: hmm i have not fsck.vfat |
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| 07:14.46 | MangosDebian | Nopalin: apt-get install dosfstools or something, sec |
| 07:14.53 | MangosDebian | !info dosfstools |
| 07:15.01 | tralala | ~find fsck.vfat |
| 07:15.22 | tralala | !find fsck.vfat |
| 07:15.23 | tarzeau | Azar: yes? |
| 07:15.29 | MangosDebian | ya, its dosfstools |
| 07:15.39 | dpkg | dosfstools: (Utilities to create and check MS-DOS FAT filesystems), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 2.11-2.2 (sid), Packaged size: 51 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
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| 07:15.52 | Nopalin | MangosDebian: installing it |
| 07:16.08 | solar_sea | "apt-get -t etch -b source mono" starts downloading 1.2.4 mono from lenny, not etch. [i've added an deb-src line for etc, what;s wrong ?] |
| 07:16.11 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'fsck.vfat' (1): (/sbin/fsck.vfat) in otherosfs/dosfstools. |
| 07:16.21 | MangosDebian | at least if you fsck it, you will likely just not see the corrupted files |
| 07:16.45 | Nopalin | MangosDebian: fsck.vfat /dev/loop0 = Seek to 82343245312:Invalid argument |
| 07:16.48 | mosno | why is it that xlsfonts outputs invalid XLFD specs, ie. with spaces where there should be dashes? |
| 07:16.51 | MangosDebian | just be careful you dont end up with a near empty fs :) |
| 07:17.12 | Nopalin | MangosDebian: well i guess i have to know that i lost info |
| 07:17.13 | MangosDebian | 8gig limit? hmm |
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| 07:18.46 | MangosDebian | Nopalin: is the fs you saved the iso in full by chance? |
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| 07:19.07 | MangosDebian | just wondering if you did in fact get the whole partition after all, just have issues with large files |
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| 07:19.35 | Arafangion | 80gig limit, it seems. |
| 07:19.37 | MangosDebian | perhaps loopback doesnt go past 8gig :/ cant see that though |
| 07:19.47 | Arafangion | Which is well over twice the limit imposed by the MS tools. |
| 07:19.56 | Nopalin | MangosDebian: hehe i did not understand at all |
| 07:20.03 | solar_sea | Guerin, about that forwardporting, how do I instruct apt-get to download source from etch and not lenny ? |
| 07:20.06 | Arafangion | If one were to format it on windows, one would be limited to 32G. |
| 07:20.08 | MangosDebian | Arafangion: hmmm, ya, guess I missed a few digits, thanks |
| 07:20.15 | Nopalin | MangosDebian: well i have to put more attention on this things |
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| 07:21.14 | MangosDebian | Nopalin: what does this report: file -s /dev/loop0 |
| 07:21.41 | Nopalin | /dev/loop0: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x58, OEM-ID "MSWIN4.1", sectors/cluster 64, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, hidden sectors 63, sectors 160826652 (volumes > 32 MB) , FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 19628, reserved3 0x800000, serial number 0xf739e6c, label: "DISK1_VOL1 " |
| 07:22.25 | MangosDebian | well, i cant see anything out of place in that |
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| 07:23.02 | YoPiNoU | yep |
| 07:23.35 | Nopalin | MangosDebian: what is you answer for the problem in short? |
| 07:23.41 | Nopalin | MangosDebian: bad dd? |
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| 07:23.56 | MangosDebian | no, i think your dd may have worked for some reason |
| 07:24.28 | MangosDebian | need to work out those head/sector numbers on a calc |
| 07:24.35 | MangosDebian | !1+1 |
| 07:24.36 | dpkg | 2 |
| 07:24.56 | Nopalin | MangosDebian: where are you from? |
| 07:25.07 | Nopalin | MangosDebian: your nick.. Mangos, in spanish is a fruit |
| 07:25.23 | MangosDebian | !63*160826652*255 |
| 07:25.23 | dpkg | 2583680164380 |
| 07:25.40 | MangosDebian | !63*160826652*255/1024/1024 |
| 07:25.41 | dpkg | 2463989.414577484131 |
| 07:25.48 | MangosDebian | !63*160826652*255/1024/1024/1024 |
| 07:25.49 | dpkg | 2406.239662673324 |
| 07:26.03 | Arafangion | Nopalin: In english, too :) |
| 07:26.23 | Nopalin | Arafangion: =) |
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| 07:26.39 | MangosDebian | hmmm, missing 512/sec |
| 07:26.39 | solar_sea | how can I make "apt-get -b" to download from an old pool and not the default one ? |
| 07:26.40 | Arafangion | Nopalin: A most delicious orange fruit :) |
| 07:26.52 | MangosDebian | im canada here |
| 07:28.04 | MangosDebian | !512*160826652 |
| 07:28.05 | dpkg | 82343245824 |
| 07:28.12 | MangosDebian | ;) |
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| 07:28.33 | Nopalin | solar_sea: why dont you try to change your repository to an old one? |
| 07:28.52 | solar_sea | I've added the deb-src line for etch, did apt-get update |
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| 07:29.11 | solar_sea | still, apt-get -b source doesn;t seem to understand this |
| 07:29.17 | MangosDebian | wonder why the sectors are off so much if it was only a 30gig partiton |
| 07:29.27 | Nopalin | MangosDebian: you missed about: |
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| 07:29.42 | Nopalin | !82343245824-82343245312 |
| 07:29.42 | dpkg | 512 |
| 07:30.01 | Nopalin | no, you got 512 more |
| 07:30.02 | MangosDebian | would be br i could |
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| 07:31.00 | Nopalin | MangosDebian: well thanks for your help, |
| 07:31.06 | Nopalin | i have to go to work tomorrow |
| 07:31.14 | Nopalin | well in 5 hours in fact |
| 07:31.24 | MangosDebian | np, gl with it |
| 07:31.52 | Nopalin | i hope my friends understand, it he does not.. |
| 07:32.01 | Nopalin | well, he has to |
| 07:32.05 | Nopalin | :p |
| 07:32.17 | Nopalin | nite.. bytes and thanks again |
| 07:32.36 | MangosDebian | l8r |
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| 07:32.54 | aav | solar_sea: probably you need the --target-release option |
| 07:33.09 | solar_sea | isnt that the same as "-t" ? |
| 07:33.13 | solar_sea | so says man apt-get |
| 07:33.18 | aav | solar_sea: yeah |
| 07:33.24 | MangosDebian | guess he couldnt wait for losetup --offset :( |
| 07:33.25 | solar_sea | well, it's broken |
| 07:33.35 | solar_sea | atleast it doesn't work with 'source' command of apt-get |
| 07:33.49 | MangosDebian | !listvalues sparse file |
| 07:33.50 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'sparse file' by value (1): sparse files. |
| 07:34.05 | aav | solar_sea: or simply download the three files (tar.gz diff dsc) manually |
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| 07:34.31 | solar_sea | I'll be unable to follow the dependancies this way :/ |
| 07:34.59 | MangosDebian | hmmm, wonder what the odds are that ext saved his 80gig as a sparse file taking up 15gig |
| 07:35.04 | MangosDebian | oh well |
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| 07:36.01 | aav | solar_sea: are you using testing or Sid? |
| 07:36.09 | solar_sea | a mix of both |
| 07:36.16 | solar_sea | with default repos set at testing |
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| 07:36.30 | piztek | hello can anyone here help me? |
| 07:36.38 | solar_sea | anyway, I'm installing the binaries now and hope it won't break anything |
| 07:36.43 | piztek | I'm on Lenny, did an update, and I have no icons anywhere |
| 07:36.53 | piztek | under most menu's that is |
| 07:37.04 | aav | solar_sea: the package you need isn't in testing? |
| 07:37.27 | solar_sea | aav, it is, but the version there doesn't suit me. mono there is 1.2.4, i need the 1.2.2 in stable |
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| 07:39.43 | piztek | i can't create shorcuts in my menus |
| 07:39.51 | piztek | in the gnome menu |
| 07:39.53 | aav | solar_sea: i see, did you updated the apt list after adding the stable repository? |
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| 07:40.37 | solar_sea | aav yep, anyway, the binary packages from etch worked just fine, my app is running, case closed |
| 07:40.38 | solar_sea | :) |
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| 07:40.57 | aav | solar_sea: good |
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| 07:41.45 | ghatak | Hi, i currently have a server with TFTP, DHCP setup for pxe boot. is it possible for me to redirect all the output to console? I am able to do it once the installation is done by changing grub |
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| 07:42.52 | aav | piztek: kill and restart the panel, and to modify the menu shortcuts, right click the menu and select "Edit Menus" |
| 07:43.12 | piztek | aav, when i try to edit, I cannot create a new shorcut |
| 07:43.18 | piztek | no right click is allowed |
| 07:43.21 | piztek | nothing happens |
| 07:43.58 | aav | piztek: the launch "alacarte" directly |
| 07:45.02 | aav | piztek: i don't know how much of Gnome 2.18 landed on testing |
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| 07:47.41 | piztek | aav, i have no okay when i click new menu in alacarte in the new window |
| 07:48.09 | piztek | wait, nevermind |
| 07:48.31 | aav | piztek: it's a feature (= |
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| 07:50.02 | piztek | and what about these missing icons? |
| 07:51.13 | aav | piztek: dunno, maybe some some icons packages missing |
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| 07:52.50 | piztek | sweet the menu is working |
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| 07:53.06 | piztek | but why is it so irresponsive |
| 07:53.08 | piztek | slow! |
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| 07:54.48 | aav | piztek: try to install a fast Cairo based GTK theme, like for example the Murrine GTK engine, instead of the default (?) Clearlooks, other than that, i don't know |
| 07:54.53 | piztek | deletes in alacarte don't always work, why |
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| 07:56.26 | aav | s/fast Cairo based GTK theme/ fast Cairo based GTK engine |
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| 07:58.17 | piztek | Unable to start the settings manager 'gnome-settings-daemon'. |
| 07:58.18 | piztek | Without the GNOME settings manager running, some preferences may not take effect. This could indicate a problem with Bonobo, or a non-GNOME (e.g. KDE) settings manager may already be active and conflicting with the GNOME settings manager. |
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| 07:59.00 | piztek | this update screwed me up |
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| 08:03.19 | SlayerXP | vyrus001: I did, there was no-one there, so I left again. |
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| 08:03.30 | vyrus001 | SlayerXP, hehe |
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| 08:03.38 | vyrus001 | yea looking for a room on a server |
| 08:03.43 | vyrus001 | duno which server its on |
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| 08:04.44 | hyphenex | Hello. I'm looking to set up a port-forwarding sort of application |
| 08:05.06 | hyphenex | anybody know of any? |
| 08:05.41 | vyrus001 | hyphenex, iptables ? |
| 08:08.00 | hyphenex | vyrus001: I've only user account privileges |
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| 08:10.15 | aav | hyphenex: so you have only access to ports > 1024, will still be useful? |
| 08:12.34 | aav | aav: i suspect no (= |
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| 08:13.23 | piztek | can i set alacarte to open with edit menus? |
| 08:13.55 | aav | piztek: should be the default |
| 08:14.04 | piztek | something else opens |
| 08:14.17 | piztek | labeled edit menus |
| 08:15.01 | aav | piztek: the old menu editing application i suppose, try to remove it |
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| 08:16.22 | piztek | aav, what might it be called |
| 08:17.02 | aav | piztek: i've no idea |
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| 08:17.56 | aav | piztek: launch it, find the command name with ps or equivalent command, find the package name with dpkg -S command_name |
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| 08:30.36 | alexwx | helou friends, i have delete all my databases in the DB, and I need to recover it, undelete the files, please tell me it is possible |
| 08:30.44 | alexwx | i dont have any backups |
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| 08:31.24 | aav | alexwx: it depends on the FS |
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| 08:32.07 | aav | alexwx: for ext2 should be possible, ext3 is ext2+journaling probably the same |
| 08:32.13 | alexwx | aav what mean FS? how to check out, sorry i am not so good |
| 08:32.25 | aav | alexwx: file system |
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| 08:32.38 | alexwx | ah sorry, i am usnig debian |
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| 08:32.57 | aav | alexwx: ok you are in the right channel then |
| 08:33.06 | aav | alexwx: (= |
| 08:33.14 | alexwx | so what i can do? |
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| 08:33.29 | alexwx | please i hope i can do it :) |
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| 08:33.36 | aav | alexwx: the first thing i should do will be to mount the partition read only |
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| 08:34.56 | subx | how much space should i give a / root partition for a average debian desktop machine? |
| 08:35.10 | dondelelcaro | subx: depends on what other partitions you're going to ahve |
| 08:35.24 | aav | alexwx: then look with google, for example http://www.stud.tu-ilmenau.de/~mojo/undelete.html |
| 08:35.30 | subx | . / /home and /swap |
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| 08:35.46 | dondelelcaro | subx: how much disk space do you have? |
| 08:35.57 | subx | i have a 80 gig drive but want to use as little as possible |
| 08:36.09 | dondelelcaro | subx: figure 3G at a minimum for normal desktop packages, 6G to be safe. |
| 08:36.19 | dondelelcaro | subx: though you may just want to make a single 80G partition |
| 08:36.32 | subx | i want to make a partition on that drive for xen images |
| 08:36.34 | ricky1 | hi all, i have a dns server (bind9) running on my firewall (etch)/webserver/dns and it works locally on the lan, and from the firewall itself, but i cannot get it to work remotely |
| 08:36.37 | alexwx | aav thank you for the link, otherwise, you mean you can do that? |
| 08:36.39 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i have a complicated question, i am connecting via ssh to an university workstation, however it is behind a nat and i've to reverse the tunnel, so i do ssh -R 1542:localhost:22 user@remote in the workstation and connect to it from home with ssh -p 1542 user@localhost. Now i have another machine, in university to connect to, and i wish to access directly |
| 08:36.49 | assasukasse | how can i do if i don't want to set another revers ssh? |
| 08:36.53 | aav | alexwx: sorry? |
| 08:36.59 | ricky1 | i am using tcpdump to capture packets, but do not understand them much. wondering if anyone could take a look for me |
| 08:37.17 | dondelelcaro | assasukasse: you can set up a vpn tunnel or similar |
| 08:37.40 | dondelelcaro | ricky1: can you actually connect to the bind9 server from a remote machine? |
| 08:37.42 | alexwx | aav if you can recover it, i dont know if you want, if you have a time, cause i am not linux programmer :( |
| 08:37.58 | alexwx | aav do you have a icq? |
| 08:38.00 | assasukasse | i was thinking about giving ssh -R 1542:localhost:22 -R 1543:localhost:5600 user@remote. then ssh the second machine with ssh -L 5600:localhost:22...but it doesnt work |
| 08:38.15 | assasukasse | dondelelcaro: i don't know how to set up a vpn tunnel |
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| 08:38.25 | Guerin | assasukasse: it works in principle. I think you need a -l in there someplace |
| 08:38.32 | ricky1 | dondelelcaro: yes, a remote machine on my lan, and also the far away on internet remote machine. from the tcpdump capture it looks like its getting the request from nslookup and sends a response |
| 08:38.57 | ricky1 | but the client doesnt get the response... i am completely lost at this point on how to find where the responses are going |
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| 08:39.26 | Guerin | ricky1: route on the remove box is busted? |
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| 08:39.41 | aav | alexwx: i think i've tried once, typed too fast and a space slipped before a *, but it didn't worked (= |
| 08:39.46 | ricky1 | i dunno, i have tried it on a few remote boxes, both windows and my dreamhost shell |
| 08:39.53 | ricky1 | both dont work |
| 08:40.00 | ricky1 | but any machines on my local lan work fine |
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| 08:40.32 | dondelelcaro | ricky1: is your ISP perchance filtering port 53? |
| 08:40.34 | assasukasse | dondelelcaro: you are talking about ipsec? |
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| 08:40.42 | dondelelcaro | assasukasse: no; openvpn, actually. |
| 08:40.46 | alexwx | aav aah :( |
| 08:40.58 | assasukasse | dondelelcaro: and does it support reverse connections? |
| 08:41.27 | dondelelcaro | assasukasse: it could |
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| 08:42.32 | ricky1 | dondelelcaro it occured to me, but how would i find that out, and wouldnt that prevent me from resolving names? |
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| 08:44.13 | ricky1 | cause i clearly see the request from the remote shell come in, and it sends an answer |
| 08:44.26 | ricky1 | and then it sends another request, and another answer. |
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| 08:44.47 | ricky1 | so it seems the answer isnt getting there. so is there a way to filter only the responses? |
| 08:45.23 | ricky1 | (btw i have shorewall setup and opened udp/tcp 53) |
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| 08:47.09 | bzed | ricky: imho you don't want to have port 53 open to the wild at all, you'll just end up with people attacking your box |
| 08:47.21 | assasukasse | dondelelcaro: do u have a webpage for it? i couldn't find how to reverse connect... |
| 08:47.35 | Guerin | and there's no need for it unless you want to run a public named |
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| 08:47.52 | ricky1 | bzed: i'm hosting my domain |
| 08:47.58 | Guerin | which is pointless unless you ened something specific, since there are about 10,000 free ones out there which are faster than yours |
| 08:48.10 | ricky1 | free dns? |
| 08:48.19 | ricky1 | maybe i will just do that |
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| 08:48.58 | Guerin | well, hosting is a different matter |
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| 08:49.04 | Guerin | but granitecanyon is good for that |
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| 08:49.12 | Guerin | .net or .org or something |
| 08:49.30 | ricky1 | i just want simple dns for my A and MX records for my .name address |
| 08:49.36 | bzed | ricky: first you need two nameservers in two different networks to host a domain usually, otherwise they won;t connect it with your nameservers at all, and what's for sure: if you have no idea how to maintain a NS server, you definitely do NOT want to run one. |
| 08:49.59 | ricky1 | bzed: and how exactly do you presume i learn how? |
| 08:50.04 | bzed | ricky: running a dns is nothing you learn in a week. |
| 08:50.08 | ricky1 | the dns server is setup correctly |
| 08:50.13 | ricky1 | this is NOT a dns issue |
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| 08:50.41 | bzed | that's what you dream of, the next evi guy will whow you something else, or just DOS it |
| 08:51.06 | ricky1 | okay, well how do you presume i learn how to work with an ns if i'm not supposed to run one |
| 08:51.29 | ricky1 | the ns is sending the response or else tcpdump wouldnt catch it |
| 08:51.43 | ricky1 | so its not named thats the problem |
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| 08:55.17 | zophy | is the dpkg bot here the same exact bot as on #debian at oftc irc network ? |
| 08:55.23 | zophy | the same server ? |
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| 08:57.01 | Guerin | zophy: ask it |
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| 08:58.05 | ricky1 | grr. |
| 08:58.06 | elpaso | two Etch systems on a layer2 ether hub. both on 172.16.35.0/252 (ie. .1 and .2). i can't do any layer3 connect or icmp echo between them. one of them has an incomplete arp entry for the other, but the other system's arp entry for its neighbour is complete. how is this possible? let's assume the ether hardware is healthy, as i have no way to verify it right now. |
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| 08:59.50 | mosno | no takers? |
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| 09:00.10 | Guerin | too technical for me |
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| 09:00.28 | Guerin | i don't know anything about ethernet I didn't crib from mailing lists |
| 09:00.28 | mosno | :( |
| 09:00.35 | mosno | heh 'crib' |
| 09:00.53 | ricky1 | elpaso: what kind of hub |
| 09:01.15 | mosno | aah another hint: tcpdump shows the arp transaction is missing some other identifier from the handshake |
| 09:02.46 | thirst | nethogs shows me a root process with PID=0 using some of my bandwidth.. is there a way to find which program is actually responsible |
| 09:02.59 | mosno | ricky1: it's a "${SOME_SYMBOL}NET EH-6005S" 10Mbit/s Ethernet 10BaseT 5-port Stackable Hub" |
| 09:03.30 | mosno | s/5S"/5S |
| 09:03.41 | ricky1 | ./msg me the ifconfig of both machines |
| 09:03.42 | Guerin | thirst: something which started from init |
| 09:03.53 | mosno | ricky1: it's sound. it has been working before |
| 09:04.08 | mosno | i'm suspecting hw failure but how can ONE get the arp ok? |
| 09:04.11 | mosno | bizarre. |
| 09:04.19 | mosno | o |
| 09:04.29 | Guerin | thirst: if you can get a remote ip address it's talking to, you can grep netstat output |
| 09:04.40 | mosno | i've tried powercycling the hub and changing ports. both link lites are up. |
| 09:04.46 | ricky1 | mosno: i'd bet its the hw, but.. i dont know how hubs work inside, so maybe the failure is killing one way of the conn |
| 09:04.56 | mosno | ricky1: true |
| 09:05.43 | ricky1 | i am angry cause i found a smc desktop switch, but dont have the power cord |
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| 09:05.50 | ricky1 | so its useless to me |
| 09:06.26 | mosno | sweet, found a spare hub |
| 09:06.41 | mosno | which didn't help. i'll do a powercycle-all, brb |
| 09:06.57 | thirst | Guerin: it is using a around 20% of my b/w. all other programs(firefox, xchat etc.. ) show that they are bound to eth0, but this program has nothing written under device |
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| 09:07.29 | Guerin | thirst: funky. Any other reason to believe you might be pwned? |
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| 09:08.40 | erik | help with canon ip4200: I DLed the stuff from Canon site. made it .deb. now what ? |
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| 09:09.23 | Guerin | erik: dpkg -i? |
| 09:09.32 | Guerin | erik: you poor bastard |
| 09:09.41 | thirst | Guerin: i was just douting that.. and this funny process uses only around 20% of the total bandwidth at any given time.. |
| 09:09.47 | Guerin | having to use vendor-provided software. |
| 09:09.55 | Guerin | thirst: that's a good way to not be noticed. |
| 09:10.06 | erik | guerin: should I not do that ? |
| 09:10.13 | thirst | Guerin: ie. if i close all other apps.. this process uses 0Kb/s too |
| 09:10.19 | Guerin | erik: do it only if you have no other option/ |
| 09:10.20 | thirst | Guerin: hmm.. |
| 09:10.44 | wireddd | how do you list all of the packages you have installed |
| 09:10.55 | erik | guerin: how do I know that I have no other option ? how would I get this printer to work under etch otherwise ? |
| 09:10.59 | Guerin | thirst: definitely suspicious. You probably can't trust your diagnostics (though if it shows in nethog or whatever it's clearly not faking them ALL) |
| 09:11.09 | wireddd | in some form that I can feed back into apt-get later on |
| 09:11.28 | Guerin | erik: you'd check cups to see if it's supported already - ie, just try to install the printer |
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| 09:11.36 | Guerin | erik: aptitude install cupsys |
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| 09:11.44 | valdyn | !clone debian |
| 09:11.46 | Guerin | erik: then go to localhost:631 in a browser |
| 09:11.53 | Guerin | valdyn: swap |
| 09:12.01 | valdyn | !debian clone |
| 09:12.01 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 09:12.20 | capiira | hmm hi all does debian testing already use that lib that use sda1 2 3 for normal IDEs too ? |
| 09:12.29 | Guerin | capiira: no. |
| 09:12.51 | capiira | what will happen when they update it ? = broken system ? |
| 09:12.52 | Guerin | capiira: only sata and other scsi-ish devices |
| 09:13.05 | Guerin | capiira: usually the update process fixes what needs fixed |
| 09:13.19 | Guerin | and i see no reason to use it for ide |
| 09:13.25 | Guerin | since ide is not scsi |
| 09:13.30 | valdyn | capiira: there's ways to reference your disks without using any of sd* hd* |
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| 09:14.06 | capiira | yeah i was just wondering because other distros are starting to use it |
| 09:14.18 | erik | guerin: I am in localhost:631 and find no ip4200, only ip4000..... |
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| 09:14.56 | Guerin | erik: then I guess that answers that. |
| 09:15.08 | mosno | ..aand she's up. i suspect it was a dodgy ethernet chipset that freaked out on one of the PCs. |
| 09:15.37 | thirst | Guerin: any experience with coroner's toolkit or something.. i just dont know where to start.. dont even have a PID on me.. |
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| 09:16.06 | Guerin | thirst: not really. I've been fortunate enough to never have a box pwned (ttbomk) |
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| 09:16.28 | Guerin | though i have a funny screenshot: http://feayn.org/~lewis/chkrootkit.png |
| 09:16.46 | thirst | heh |
| 09:16.55 | Yasuekie | Hello, I will ask question about building emacs which can be run on x-window-system. |
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| 09:17.26 | mosno | is there a way to redirect an X server keyboard from the localhost to a remote ps/2 keyboard somehow? |
| 09:17.35 | Guerin | !wayc Yasuekie |
| 09:17.36 | dpkg | Yasuekie: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
| 09:17.40 | mosno | if not redirect, then reconfigure for |
| 09:17.59 | Yasuekie | because debian does not serve 22.1 |
| 09:18.01 | wired_ | first linux install I ever did got hacked in 24 hours, because I had no idea what I was doing, but that was a long time ago |
| 09:18.12 | Guerin | Yasuekie: ask #emacs |
| 09:18.23 | wired_ | I set a really weak root password.... |
| 09:18.26 | mosno | ie. i want my mouse and display on host A, but my physical keyboard from host B over IP |
| 09:18.27 | Yasuekie | thank you mr. guerin |
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| 09:18.45 | Guerin | Yasuekie: you're welcome, Yasuekie-kun |
| 09:18.52 | mosno | i suppose i'd need 'remote input device' sort of thing in Linux for that |
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| 09:19.08 | bor1 | nkd, nework keyboard device ;) |
| 09:19.22 | Guerin | kvm or something |
| 09:19.31 | Guerin | mosno: just use ssh! |
| 09:19.34 | Guerin | (heh) |
| 09:19.45 | mosno | Guerin: yes, but to control a running remote X11? |
| 09:19.45 | xand | synergy? |
| 09:19.47 | bor1 | imput director serves for same on windows |
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| 09:19.51 | mosno | xand: is that for GNU too? |
| 09:19.52 | xand | mosno: synergy maybe. |
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| 09:19.59 | mosno | i thought it was a Windows thing |
| 09:20.00 | xand | it's in debian, yes |
| 09:20.04 | mosno | wowsers |
| 09:20.09 | xand | it's cross platform, windows, mac, linux |
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| 09:21.10 | Guerin | man, i try and scare up a few episodes of `all in the family' and all I get is kiddy pr0n |
| 09:21.16 | Guerin | stupid interwebs |
| 09:21.35 | erik | Guerin: I got a test-page from the ip4200... I think this ip4000 indication was from the Canon downloaded driver software I installed. via localhost:631 i was able to make etch see and use the printer. ip4000 seems to be a sort of generic ip4xxx driver... |
| 09:21.48 | Guerin | erik: happy days :) |
| 09:22.14 | erik | Guerin: happier now. thnx :-D |
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| 09:26.07 | ricky1 | thanks for the help everyone |
| 09:26.09 | karmatronic | anyone has successfully compiled mplyaer with jack support on experimental |
| 09:26.20 | karmatronic | mplayer |
| 09:29.20 | Guerin | karmatronic: on experimental? |
| 09:29.21 | Guerin | HAHAHA |
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| 09:30.06 | Guerin | in other news, tonight a man attempted a four-minute mile on a pogo stick |
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| 09:30.09 | Guerin | blindfolded |
| 09:31.44 | GreaseMonkey | gtg, gnight |
| 09:31.49 | wired_ | this is all I need to get an nfs mount to mount at boot right? 192.168.10.1:/home/storage /mnt/fileserver/storage nfs rw,auto 0 0 |
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| 09:32.15 | karmatronic | Guerin: too ambitious? |
| 09:32.17 | Guerin | wired_: that and having all the right nfs daemons running |
| 09:32.46 | wired_ | the server is up |
| 09:32.46 | Guerin | karmatronic: it depends. Is there a reason you're using experimental as opposed to something, well, sane? |
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| 09:33.02 | Guerin | wired_: that is not all that's required. |
| 09:33.11 | Guerin | wired_: go read the nfs howto on tldp.org |
| 09:33.56 | karmatronic | Guerin: im running lenny but in installed jackd,qjackctl,... from testing branch , otherwise i wouldnt get freebob support (necessary for my firewire sound card) |
| 09:34.11 | Guerin | lenny=testing |
| 09:34.14 | Guerin | guess again |
| 09:34.25 | Guerin | and wtf, a firewire sound card? |
| 09:34.44 | Noborusan | Hi,would anyone suggest me a nice webhosting manage tool for debian ? |
| 09:34.52 | Guerin | Noborusan: no such thing. |
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| 09:34.59 | karmatronic | Guerin: i mean i installed jackd,.. from the unstable branch |
| 09:35.12 | Guerin | karmatronic: ok. Anything from experimental? |
| 09:35.25 | karmatronic | Guerin: no , i meant unstabñe |
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| 09:36.14 | Guerin | karmatronic: ok. The first thing I suggest is removing the unstable line from your sources.list |
| 09:36.24 | Guerin | does debian's mplayer package not come with jack support? |
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| 09:36.33 | karmatronic | Guerin: no |
| 09:36.36 | Guerin | debian normally builds --with-kitchen-sink |
| 09:36.41 | karmatronic | Guerin: strangely |
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| 09:37.14 | karmatronic | Guerin: but it s built with arts and esd support ....weird |
| 09:37.48 | Guerin | karmatronic: then your best bet is probably to do apt-get source mplayer and edit debian/rules to include --with-jackd or whatever it is, then run debian/rules binary |
| 09:38.02 | Guerin | karmatronic: oh |
| 09:38.26 | Guerin | karmatronic: also see the aptitude-build-dep script on p12n.org - you'll need it to get the proper dev libraries |
| 09:38.38 | wired_ | Guerin: they mount file if I do a mount -a |
| 09:38.50 | wired_ | err they mount fine if I do a mount -a |
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| 09:39.21 | karmatronic | Guerin: yeah that was my next guess, that or just not use mplayer , and substitute with mpd |
| 09:39.35 | Guerin | wired_: then your boot order is probably wrong. There's an easy and a hard way to fix this - the hard way is to find out what order is correct and change all the init scripts; the easy way is to put `mount -a' into rc.oocal or bootmisc.sh |
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| 09:39.48 | Guerin | or just not use jack |
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| 09:40.13 | Guerin | probably not an option for someone with a firewire sound card |
| 09:40.19 | Scurz | hi |
| 09:40.28 | wired_ | I think I will opt for the hard way |
| 09:40.32 | karmatronic | Guerin: yeah ...and jackd is a must to do some music recording |
| 09:40.40 | Guerin | wired_: bully for you. Enjoy. |
| 09:40.46 | Guerin | karmatronic: yeh. |
| 09:41.11 | demo_ | can anyone help me apply this kernel patch please? http://www.phoronix.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-1033.html i have never done this before... |
| 09:41.34 | Guerin | demo_: if it doesn't come with instructions, don't install it. |
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| 09:42.19 | Guerin | demo_: the generic method is patch -p1 < /path/to/the.patch while in the kernel source tree |
| 09:42.37 | Guerin | and if that makes no sense to you, you're not ready for this ride |
| 09:42.52 | demo_ | OK ;) |
| 09:43.08 | demo_ | see if i can get a collegue to do it for me.. |
| 09:43.28 | Guerin | make your workmates share your knowledge ... call it `cross-training' |
| 09:43.35 | Guerin | s/your/their/ |
| 09:44.02 | demo_ | OK |
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| 09:44.12 | wired_ | thanks Guerin |
| 09:44.14 | karmatronic | demo_: and from the forum, seems like this patch doesnt applyu well with latest kerenels |
| 09:45.08 | demo_ | OK looks like i will have to wait then.. |
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| 09:45.32 | pressenter | Mornin' |
| 09:45.46 | pressenter | Anyone maybe has a repo with the latest kde3? |
| 09:45.55 | pressenter | That with the "fancy" menu? |
| 09:45.57 | Guerin | !latest |
| 09:46.00 | dpkg | methinks latest is not meaningful. Latest when? Latest in what distribution? Latest stable or latest development? Refer to software by version number - that's what it's for. Refer to debian by its codename or other identifiable feature: 'woody' (3.0), 'sarge' (3.1), 'etch' (testing), 'sid' (unstable). |
| 09:46.22 | zecrazyt1x | wow, etch is stable now :) |
| 09:46.29 | Guerin | has been for moons |
| 09:46.33 | wireddd | yeah that needs updating |
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| 09:48.01 | pressenter | Any repo specified for kde? |
| 09:48.23 | Guerin | all three branches of debian have kde |
| 09:48.32 | Guerin | to see what version, /msg dpkg search |
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| 09:49.31 | pressenter | Ah, right, i just found the info on kde page. |
| 09:49.37 | pressenter | Guerin: Thanks for help. |
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| 09:54.30 | zecrazyt1x | btw, apt-get.org has a list of repos |
| 09:55.05 | tarzeau | i wouldn't trust any repo not at debian.org or my own |
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| 09:55.45 | wireddd | I don't trust yours tarzeau :P |
| 09:55.53 | tarzeau | wireddd: you don't have to. i do :) |
| 09:56.02 | pressenter | zecrazyt1x: Ah, thanks. |
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| 09:57.03 | karmatronic | Guerin: is there a site where one can refer regarding debian-specific things |
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| 09:57.26 | karmatronic | Guerin: like using m-a ,compiling from source using apt .... |
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| 09:59.38 | zecrazyt1x | tarzeau: on a server, i won't trust, but for a desktop... |
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| 10:04.54 | erik | which virusprotection is advisable on etch ? |
| 10:05.18 | valdyn | erik: you dont need one for etch |
| 10:05.54 | erik | valdyn: no one targetting Linux ? |
| 10:06.22 | dondelelcaro | erik: since users don't have write access to the executables they run (in most cases) viruses are rather pointless. |
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| 10:07.01 | erik | done/valdyn: ok thnx |
| 10:07.10 | karmatronic | well,mplayer doesnt compile ..... |
| 10:07.22 | mindmedic | wedge: there is the clamav virus scanner |
| 10:07.31 | mindmedic | wedge: sry |
| 10:07.33 | erik | done=dondelelcaro |
| 10:07.37 | karmatronic | guess i ll have to upgrade entire system to unstable.... |
| 10:08.09 | mindmedic | karmatronic: that sounds perfektly sane |
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| 10:09.03 | valdyn | !sarcasm |
| 10:09.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sarcasm is when you say something that you don't entirely mean in order to gain some sort of dramatic effect or other er something;; for example "that's a really good definition" |
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| 10:10.13 | utopia_ | yeah the man who doesn't get it will be saying 'thats a crap definition!' |
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| 10:12.09 | arcus | is this a good place to ask about linux software, or is it entirely about installing and configuring things on debian? |
| 10:12.28 | wols_ | depends. are you running debian? |
| 10:12.50 | wols_ | i.e. the problem you have, does it happen in your debian installation? |
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| 10:13.21 | mindmedic | arcus: just ask |
| 10:13.27 | utopia_ | Ask & find out Acrus! |
| 10:13.28 | arcus | well, my problem is that I don't know what software to use for a particular purpose, so I guess that is in a sense happening with my installation :] |
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| 10:14.11 | dondelelcaro | arcus: you can ask that sort of question here, so long as you're using Debian |
| 10:14.14 | erik | arcus: boy you keep the tension up..... |
| 10:14.37 | dondelelcaro | (or fool us into believing that you do) |
| 10:14.40 | arcus | well, what I really would like to be able to do is watch a DVD, then press some kind of 'record' button, and get the stuff from then on (until I press 'stop') outputted a file. |
| 10:14.42 | MilhousePunkRock | I just ssh'ed into my NSLU2 and got this: |
| 10:14.51 | arcus | I'm only interested in the audio, as it happens. |
| 10:14.54 | MilhousePunkRock | root@192.168.1.77's password: |
| 10:14.58 | MilhousePunkRock | Last login: Tue Jul 10 12:11:23 2007 from 192.168.1.36 |
| 10:15.02 | MilhousePunkRock | Linux localhost 2.6.18-4-ixp4xx #1 Tue Mar 27 18:01:56 BST 2007 armv5tel |
| 10:15.06 | MilhousePunkRock | ����������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������� |
| 10:15.10 | MilhousePunkRock | ����������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������� |
| 10:15.11 | MilhousePunkRock | /usr/bin/id: line 5: id:2:initdefault:: command not found |
| 10:15.11 | MilhousePunkRock | /usr/bin/id: line 9: si::sysinit:/etc/init.d/rcS: No such file or directory |
| 10:15.11 | MilhousePunkRock | /usr/bin/id: line 12: ~~:S:wait:/sbin/sulogin: No such file or directory |
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| 10:15.14 | utopia_ | wtf |
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| 10:16.15 | MilhousePunkRock | Sorry, that wasn't intended! Here's the pastebin url: http://pastebin.ca/612333 |
| 10:16.25 | erik | arcus: so you wanna rip a dvd ? |
| 10:16.36 | arcus | I don't want to rip the entire DVD, I just want about 15 seconds of audio. |
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| 10:17.22 | seepaul | good morning folks! I have a problem installing a start-stop script under debian. I want to start /opt/ggrab/sserver as daemon with arguments but it doesn't work out well with start-stop-daemon. Please help |
| 10:17.37 | arcus | I suppose I could rip the entire DVD and extract the audio somehow then splice it with some kind of audio editor, but that seems awfully complex. |
| 10:17.40 | xand | who broke this window |
| 10:18.07 | mindmedic | arcus: it is surely possible with vlc, although the command-line interface is pretty ugly and the gui may not be powerful enough for the task |
| 10:18.10 | valdyn | arcus: you can just grab the sound |
| 10:18.15 | erik | arcus: run a recorder. feed the audio back into the recorder and record ? |
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| 10:19.09 | arcus | mindmedic: I had a look at vlc, but it wasn't transparently obvious how to do it with the GUI. |
| 10:19.25 | seepaul | I have this lines in /etc/init.d/ggrab: DAEMON=/opt/ggrab/sserver and start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile /var/run/ggrab.pid --exec $DAEMON . Howto add -o /home/lxuser/Videos/Rips -e mpg -q ?? |
| 10:19.34 | arcus | valdyn: well, grabbing 2 hours of sound to get 15 seconds seem like overkill... |
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| 10:19.50 | valdyn | arcus: I didnt say that |
| 10:20.00 | erik | arcus: grabbing can be started and stopped... |
| 10:20.25 | arcus | is 'grab' a piece of software? |
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| 10:20.43 | erik | grabbing is something you can go |
| 10:20.43 | valdyn | arcus: grabbing sound is independent of the playing program, you just have to play the dvd and record with _whatever_ app |
| 10:20.55 | mindmedic | arcus: i believe you could do it with audacity.. you can set the soundcard output as recording device, play the part of the dvd that interests you and "record"... plus you can edit the file with the program as well |
| 10:21.02 | valdyn | arcus: arecord or audacity or even 'cat', whatever |
| 10:21.14 | AnyFile | Is there a way to print more than one (for example 2) page on the same sheet of paper? I have try with a2ps, but it works for acii, but when I try to print ps or pdf the results are not correct |
| 10:21.36 | dondelelcaro | AnyFile: a2ps works with ps too |
| 10:21.47 | dondelelcaro | AnyFile: if you want to deal with pdf, turn it into postscript first. |
| 10:21.48 | arcus | okay, I'll have a look at audacity. |
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| 10:22.01 | arcus | thanks. |
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| 10:22.23 | spheard | does anyone know o a switch that nats? |
| 10:22.41 | valdyn | spheard: that's called 'router' |
| 10:22.43 | AnyFile | already tryed to transform to ps first, but no good result. The pages are cropped and misplaced. Let me try removing the page format option |
| 10:22.58 | spheard | valdyn is that the definition? |
| 10:23.01 | mindmedic | AnyFile: look at the programm xpp (X printing panel) |
| 10:23.40 | valdyn | spheard: a device that does 'nat' is a router. ( Though a router doesnt necessarily do nat ) |
| 10:23.49 | AnyFile | thanks mindmedic, I will |
| 10:23.51 | mindmedic | i use it for printing long documents ( 4 pages per sheet & double sided) |
| 10:24.42 | spheard | valdyn: its finding one that isnt ADSL that the trouble |
| 10:25.26 | AnyFile | I suspect that it is a problem connected to the Binding Box of the PS, but I have no clue on how to investigate it |
| 10:25.28 | valdyn | spheard: what for? |
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| 10:26.06 | valdyn | spheard: decent routers arent exactly hard to find, they are just not consumer commidities |
| 10:26.31 | Arafangion | valdyn: What about decent laptops? :( |
| 10:26.45 | Arafangion | valdyn: Seems hard to find a laptop that lasts 5 years. :( |
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| 10:27.08 | valdyn | Arafangion: like ibm thinkpad t series? |
| 10:27.14 | spheard | valdyn: getting a new BT(uk) voip/adsl thing put in at a customers site. Im expecting the router that does voip not to do nat. so I may need to have something that does nat handy if this is indeed the case. |
| 10:27.24 | MilhousePunkRock | Can someone look at this: http://pastebin.ca/612333 That's how my server greeted my when I ssh'ed into it... |
| 10:27.57 | spheard | the bugger being that I cant get information about the router thats being installed cos its BT, the UK equivilent of AT&T |
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| 10:29.10 | Arafangion | valdyn: I keep hearing good things about those laptops. |
| 10:29.42 | Zta | Uhm I have a USB hd with a ext3 partition on /dev/sdb1. How do I mount it on /mnt/usbhd so I can write to it as a user? |
| 10:29.51 | Arafangion | valdyn: Maybe for my next laptop I should give them another go - I was one of those unfortunate enough to get the crappiest of the crappiest from IBM - the iSeries. :( |
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| 10:31.28 | valdyn | Arafangion: there's a reason why they are extremely pricey and they're still very popular in busenesses |
| 10:31.35 | MilhousePunkRock | Arafangion: I can support what valdyn said about the T series, I wouldn't trade my T23 (although it's old by now) for any low cost laptop... |
| 10:32.04 | Arafangion | valdyn: Imho, a good laptop is generally around the $3000 mark, I would not buy a $1000 laptop for my primary machine. |
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| 10:32.15 | valdyn | Arafangion: oh, no |
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| 10:33.02 | MilhousePunkRock | Zta: You could mount it with the option "users" |
| 10:33.15 | Arafangion | valdyn: Currently I have an Asus, but the screen hinge is a problem - I suspect the cable inside the joint is getting worn - it's 2 years old. |
| 10:33.27 | Arafangion | valdyn: Great laptop in all other respects, though. |
| 10:33.27 | gordboy | spheard, all BT routers do nat. if it is the BT homehub, then you are home free. it does all sorts of wonderful things. http://www.frequencycast.co.uk/homehub.html |
| 10:33.37 | valdyn | Arafangion: check out thinkpad t series somewhere. The quality is the same in each of them, yet they range from ~1300 above 3k euro |
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| 10:34.01 | Arafangion | valdyn: I think I'm going to think very hard about what my next laptop will be once this one breaks down. |
| 10:34.03 | Zta | MilhousePunkRock, I could. And I am. But that doesn't give me the permissions I need. But I've found out now. I mount it and do 'install -m 777 -d backup' which will give me a writable dir. |
| 10:34.24 | MilhousePunkRock | valdyn: I heard the quality has suffered somewhat since Lenovo took over... |
| 10:34.55 | Arafangion | valdyn: If I were to get 3 uber-cheap laptops, I could network them, with winXP on one, a win2008 server or Vista on one, and Debian on one. |
| 10:35.01 | spheard | gordboy. its not homehub, and theyre having voip put in which doesnt like nat. |
| 10:35.19 | valdyn | MilhousePunkRock: no idea, i can say that the customer service is still excellent. My thinkpad is >3 years old |
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| 10:35.31 | spheard | gordboy Im trying to get info on how it all fits together. If I can help it I dont want to move the subnet that the existing network is on |
| 10:35.38 | valdyn | MilhousePunkRock: so i know nothing about their newer products |
| 10:35.53 | Arafangion | valdyn: Or even a BSD, Debian, and Vista combination :) |
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| 10:36.09 | MilhousePunkRock | valdyn: My first hand experience is with genuine IBM too, I am on my lovely T23 right now |
| 10:36.35 | Arafangion | The IBM iSeries was /crap/ though. |
| 10:36.44 | spheard | Those knock off chinese IBMs are a nightmare, guy opens a leather jacket.... |
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| 10:37.08 | valdyn | lenovo still build good laptops |
| 10:37.09 | Arafangion | The iSeries predated the Rseries by several years, from memory. |
| 10:37.11 | valdyn | ugly but good |
| 10:37.55 | Zta | I think my next laptop will be a ThinkPad X60 |
| 10:37.58 | Zta | perhaps X61 |
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| 10:38.04 | MilhousePunkRock | Did someone look at my paste by now? http://pastebin.ca/612333 |
| 10:38.21 | Zta | I'm on a X30 now and I love it. I hope lenovo has built the X6? just a good. |
| 10:38.32 | MilhousePunkRock | Zta: That's what I'd like too, if I only had the €€€... |
| 10:39.01 | Zta | MilhousePunkRock, u needz teh m0neys! |
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| 10:39.08 | Zta | rob a bank =) |
| 10:39.09 | Arafangion | Anyway, that's settled, once this one breaks, I'll likely get a Lenovo. |
| 10:39.58 | Arafangion | Another question, one that's more relevent to me /now/, is: What program out there can I use to operate a spreadsheet in a format that allows me to usue it on my Palm PDA as well as Linux, while still being fast on the PDA? |
| 10:40.31 | Arafangion | I've got "SpreadToGo", but the format that's quick on the PDA can't be used on Debian :( |
| 10:40.50 | Arafangion | I am currently using Excel, which works but is /slow/. |
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| 10:41.25 | Zta | oocalc from OpenOffice |
| 10:41.41 | Arafangion | Zta: Haha. |
| 10:41.54 | Arafangion | Zta: You're joking, right? |
| 10:42.21 | Zta | That's the only spreadsheet I know of. How do you run Excel on Linux btw? |
| 10:42.36 | Zta | I don't think there's any light program to "operate a spreadsheet". |
| 10:42.55 | dondelelcaro | gnumeric is the other, but almost anything can open and close excel format spreadsheets. |
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| 10:42.57 | Zta | It's not like it's an easy task |
| 10:43.10 | Arafangion | Zta: There's GNumeric, but what I'm after is something that operates a spreadsheet that I can access *on my palm PDA* |
| 10:43.28 | Arafangion | And Excel Spreadsheets are slow. |
| 10:43.54 | Zta | well, start by telling what formats your pds accepts |
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| 10:44.48 | Zta | No wait.. I don't care. Editing speadssheets on a PDA sounds to stupid for me to understand =) |
| 10:44.50 | Arafangion | Zta: "SheetToGo", but I'm willing to load extra software on it. |
| 10:45.12 | Arafangion | Zta: It's not for Math, it's basically to store a single table of information that I often find. |
| 10:45.19 | Arafangion | That I often *use*, that is. |
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| 10:47.20 | loswillios | hi |
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| 10:47.30 | MilhousePunkRock | Hmmm, where does this come from? EXT3-fs error (device sda1): ext3_add_entry: bad entry in directory #127490: rec_len % 4 != 0 - offset=0, inode=4294967295, rec_len=65535, name_len=255 |
| 10:47.43 | loswillios | I wonder if I can resize a dm-crypted container on my harddrive? |
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| 10:48.23 | Thomas2 | can anyone give me a hint about which package I can install to get fonts from the helvetica font-family? |
| 10:48.40 | loswillios | I'm currently creating a dm-crypt over lvm |
| 10:49.09 | seepaul | i need help with my stop-start-script. I have these few lines: start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile /var/run/ggrab.pid --exec $DAEMON -- -o /home/lxuser/Videos/DVB-Rips/ -e mpg -q & and start-stop-daemon --stop --pidfile /var/run/ggrab.pid --exec $DAEMON -- -o /home/lxuser/Videos/DVB-Rips/ -e mpg -q for starting and stoping the daemon. I can start the daemon but i when i stop it i get this error: No /opt/ggrab/sserver found runni |
| 10:49.25 | Thursley | if I want to use the 2.6.21 kernel, should I download "linux-2.6.21.tar.bz2" or "linux-2.6.21.6.tar.bz2" ? |
| 10:49.34 | Thursley | which is newer? |
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| 10:49.52 | loswillios | is there a better irc channel available for dm-crypt related questions? |
| 10:50.26 | streuner_ | Thomas2: apt-get install ttf-freefonts? |
| 10:50.30 | karmatronic | Thursley: second one |
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| 10:50.48 | vanksi | is there any doc written on adding loop-aes support to a manually compiled kernel on debian? |
| 10:50.50 | Thursley | karmatronic: thanks |
| 10:50.58 | Thomas2 | streuner_: hmm, interesting, can't find it |
| 10:51.00 | streuner_ | Thomas2: apt-get install ttf-freefont? |
| 10:51.20 | Thomas2 | yeah, that's already installed |
| 10:51.24 | streuner_ | "These fonts are similar to the (in)famous Helvetica, Times and Courier fonts." |
| 10:51.46 | Thomas2 | yeah, I found and installed that before |
| 10:52.07 | Thomas2 | (emacs still looks ugly, and display still won't run full stop) |
| 10:52.19 | Thomas2 | I think there's a helvetica lookalike with a similar name in there though |
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| 10:53.53 | dondelelcaro | Thursley: neither; you should be using the kernel which is distributed with Debian, possibly installing the .deb from unstable if you're sure that running .21 is going to change something |
| 10:54.49 | Thursley | dondelelcaro: I want to patch the kernel (wifi drivers and bootsplash), this seems to be the only way to get it to work |
| 10:55.31 | Thomas2 | hmm, great, now i have helvetica in font sizes 0 and 17 ... |
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| 10:58.17 | wireddd | I wish there were debian kernel packages that were setup for a bootsplash |
| 11:00.18 | RichiH | i wish 2.6.22 was in experimental, already |
| 11:00.33 | RichiH | ;) |
| 11:02.03 | Supaplex | well upload it already ;) |
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| 11:05.41 | dondelelcaro | Thursley: then you'll probably want to start with the most recent, 2.6.21.6 or possibly .22 if you're corageous. |
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| 11:07.11 | Thursley | dondelelcaro: thanks :) I think I won't try .22 since the newset patches are 21, havent seen any for 22 yet |
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| 11:22.36 | Noborusan | hello guys |
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| 11:23.08 | Noborusan | if i want to install gcc and g++ support for etch,what do i do ? |
| 11:23.35 | Noborusan | I plan to install a tool which requires them, read as : Please have Basic development/compiling tools such as gcc and g++ as well as xinetd up and running (inetd on FreeBSD) |
| 11:24.28 | Thursley | Noborusan: I might be way off, but "apt-get install gcc g++" ? |
| 11:24.33 | MilhousePunkRock | Noborusan: Isn't that in build-essentials? |
| 11:24.52 | Noborusan | i dont understand 'build-essentials' |
| 11:25.11 | Noborusan | i did a basic install without selecting anything but just the basic system |
| 11:26.37 | Noborusan | brb |
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| 11:40.11 | Xblund | Hi, using syslog-ng file statement under destination, what is the way to use 'the hostname' instead of its numeric IP, using $HOST? |
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| 11:42.52 | Noborusan | seems you guys are still not awake :) |
| 11:43.21 | anapivirtua_ | Hi |
| 11:43.35 | Noborusan | haha, hi anapivirtua_ :) |
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| 11:58.20 | Arafangion | Where do I find the info pages? |
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| 11:58.36 | Arafangion | All my info documentation is just the man page, which is useless. |
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| 12:00.36 | klikklak | hah, pidgin works great, I'm finally having easy crypto IM sessions |
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| 12:01.32 | Arafangion | klikklak: You're naive. |
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| 12:02.15 | Arafangion | klikklak: s2s is generally unencrypted. |
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| 12:03.29 | tralala | Arafangion, in the related -doc packages perhaps |
| 12:03.31 | abrotman | Arafangion: those how some are |
| 12:03.50 | subx | im trying to create a fat32 file system using: mkfs -tvfat /dev/sdb4 but it says: mkfs.vfat: No such file or directory |
| 12:04.03 | Arafangion | abrotman: So, where would I find the one for getpass? |
| 12:04.30 | tralala | subx, install dosfsutils or such |
| 12:04.47 | subx | ok |
| 12:04.51 | abrotman | Arafangion: no .. i mean some info pages are just duplicates of the man pages |
| 12:05.35 | klikklak | Arafangion: I haven't looked in to OTR crypto and frankly yes, I'm naive regarding cryptography. but spare my illusion :) |
| 12:06.06 | Arafangion | klikklak: s2s, ie, server-to-server comunication, is generally unencrypted. |
| 12:06.22 | Arafangion | klikklak: Distributed encrypted communication is a very complex issue. |
| 12:06.42 | klikklak | Arafangion: ok, but since this is happening within one jabber server (gtalk), it should be ok? |
| 12:06.53 | Arafangion | klikklak: You may have an encrypted connection to the immediate server, but from then on, it's likely to be unencrypted. |
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| 12:07.14 | klikklak | Arafangion: I am actually trying to educate myself, by reading Crypto: how the code rebels blahblah, which has been an ok read so far |
| 12:07.38 | klikklak | Arafangion: ok, thanks for the warning |
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| 12:08.14 | klikklak | Arafangion: well, half of my happiness with pidgin is because irc seems usable with it and I could ditch erc and emacs |
| 12:08.39 | Arafangion | klikklak: I recommend psi for non-linux OS's :) |
| 12:08.46 | Arafangion | klikklak: But on linux, pidgin is quite nice. |
| 12:08.49 | abrotman | klikklak: you and the other person could both connect to the jabberd via ssl/tls |
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| 12:08.56 | abrotman | Arafangion: exodus! |
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| 12:10.05 | Arafangion | abrotman: Been a while since I've tried exodus - has it matured nicely? |
| 12:10.26 | abrotman | Arafangion: i'm still using the last stable build from .. 2005? |
| 12:10.47 | abrotman | Arafangion: if damn pigdin could emulate it .. i'd use that .. but it can't |
| 12:10.54 | abrotman | pidgin |
| 12:10.56 | Arafangion | abrotman: Sad to say that is slghtly more mature than I last tried it. :( |
| 12:11.11 | Arafangion | abrotman: What particular feature are you after? |
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| 12:11.56 | abrotman | Arafangion: conversations docked in the buddy list .. and minimize to systray with no other notification other than a slightly altered systray icon |
| 12:12.10 | abrotman | Arafangion: nothing much :) |
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| 12:12.32 | klikklak | abrotman: I think I can't ask for my friend to do anythign more complex than just installing otr plugin to miranda, |
| 12:12.37 | tralala | bitlbee > * |
| 12:12.40 | abrotman | klikklak: oh ok |
| 12:12.43 | Noborusan | hey tralala ,morning :D |
| 12:13.01 | tralala | Noborusan, hey |
| 12:13.07 | xoz | abrotman: im now in singapore. the place is cool. haven't encountered the bad guys visiting #debian :) |
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| 12:13.16 | Noborusan | tralala, can you tell me, Install php to be not/not to be the module of apache,which one is correct in english ? |
| 12:13.24 | klikklak | tralala: I took a very brief look at bitlbee but I didn't figure it out... having that integrated to emacs would have been an option though |
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| 12:14.58 | jnair | can i use an iso image as my apt-source ? |
| 12:15.10 | tralala | klikklak, erm... I'm a vim user |
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| 12:15.40 | jnair | i using qemu to run debain |
| 12:15.47 | amphi | !debian |
| 12:15.48 | dpkg | i heard debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 12:15.53 | amphi | er... |
| 12:16.09 | abrotman | wtf |
| 12:16.12 | abrotman | driveby xoz |
| 12:16.25 | tralala | jnair, yes, you can - man apt-cdrom |
| 12:16.49 | jnair | oh.. it is having some options like -m (no - mount) |
| 12:16.52 | tralala | Noborusan, I don't understand the question |
| 12:17.29 | jnair | still i am unable to find an option to give iso image :( |
| 12:17.48 | amphi | jnair: you can use an iso as a cdrom 'device' in qemu, if that's what you mean |
| 12:18.12 | jnair | yes.. thus i installed |
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| 12:19.14 | jnair | but for apt-get install it is asking to insert cd |
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| 12:21.06 | Thursley | shees, it takes ages to compile a 2.6.21 kernel on my 500mhz laptop : / |
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| 12:21.28 | alexbodn | hi all |
| 12:21.48 | amphi | jnair: you can use the qemu console to 'eject' and 'insert' cds IIRC |
| 12:22.48 | alexbodn | after i've upgraded exim4 in lenny yesterday, i don't receive mail anymore. |
| 12:23.56 | tralala | alexbodn, report a bug |
| 12:24.28 | alexbodn | good idea, just asked if anybody else encountered this |
| 12:25.16 | Noborusan | tralala, forget about it,i ve already gotten it posted to the forum :D |
| 12:25.44 | Noborusan | tralala, by the way, how do i install gcc and g++ support for etch to have a basic compile env. ? |
| 12:26.01 | tralala | alexbodn, if anybody has it will be reported in the bts |
| 12:26.08 | Noborusan | apt-get install gcc g++ or apt-get install gcc libg++ ? |
| 12:26.33 | alexbodn | tralala: hopefully. thanks :) |
| 12:26.36 | tralala | Noborusan, build-essential should be enough for C |
| 12:26.56 | tralala | alexbodn, you're welcome |
| 12:28.25 | Noborusan | tralala, apt-get install build-essential ? |
| 12:29.27 | tralala | yes |
| 12:30.41 | Noborusan | but by doing that would it will install something i dont need which are not related to gcc and g++ ? |
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| 12:32.07 | karmatronic | Noborusan: build-essential is the pacjage you need |
| 12:32.13 | karmatronic | package |
| 12:32.32 | Noborusan | I see,this is new thing,hmm in my notebook,i dont have it written down ,yet |
| 12:32.37 | Noborusan | Thanks anyway |
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| 12:34.07 | karmatronic | does anyone run mplayer with jack support on debian s unstable? |
| 12:34.23 | sobersabre | hi, what package shall I use to create a video snapshot of my app/X session ? |
| 12:34.28 | karmatronic | or testing? |
| 12:34.45 | karmatronic | sobersabre: vkc does it fine |
| 12:34.47 | karmatronic | vlc |
| 12:34.54 | sobersabre | oh, thanks!!! |
| 12:35.14 | karmatronic | vlc screen:// is quite fun |
| 12:36.08 | karmatronic | sobersabre: there s also xvidcap |
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| 12:36.46 | karmatronic | and it seems there sone called istanbul |
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| 12:40.33 | apt_get | Hi |
| 12:40.41 | apt_get | where can I find rcopy command to debian? |
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| 12:42.05 | krazykit_ | !find rcopy |
| 12:42.11 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'rcopy' (4 of 9): (/usr/bin/zzxorcopy) in utils/zziplib-bin ;; (/usr/lib/fai/prcopyleft) in admin/fai-client ;; (/usr/share/doc/aolserver4-doc/reference/ns_strcopy.3.htm) in doc/aolserver4-doc ;; (/var/lib/nessus/plugins/clevercopy_path_disclosure_xss.nasl) in admin/nessus-plugins. |
| 12:43.21 | abrotman | !find rcopy$ etch |
| 12:43.27 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'rcopy' (1): (/usr/bin/zzxorcopy) in utils/zziplib-bin. |
| 12:43.36 | abrotman | and that's what we have for you today ... |
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| 12:48.09 | karmatronic | why doesnt mplayer come with jack support in lenny ? |
| 12:48.53 | xand | what's jack? |
| 12:49.19 | karmatronic | xand: jackd is a sound server ,used for realtime preemption purposes |
| 12:49.36 | karmatronic | xand: to do home studio |
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| 12:50.07 | xand | I see |
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| 12:50.41 | abrotman | jack is a ripper/encoder written in python |
| 12:50.56 | aav | karmatronic: install libjack-dev and compile mplayer |
| 12:51.37 | aav | karmatronic: or is it broken? |
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| 12:52.26 | pressenter | How can i install thunderbird without the icedove ding? |
| 12:52.30 | karmatronic | aav: broken in lenny |
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| 12:52.38 | azeem | pressenter: icedove /is/ thunderbird |
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| 12:52.49 | rossMoHaX | ls |
| 12:52.52 | karmatronic | aav: so i am to upgrade to unstable - |
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| 12:53.04 | pressenter | azeem: Ah, ok. |
| 12:53.07 | aav | karmatronic: (= |
| 12:53.21 | rossMoHaX | hi! How to setup user password from script NOT intercatively? man passwd doesn't show me any info =( |
| 12:53.43 | asg | rossMoHaX: usermod |
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| 12:54.04 | karmatronic | aav: unstable is cool , but it s like ,when you go to unstable , there s not way back |
| 12:55.55 | rossMoHaX | asg, It requests encrypted password, not plaintext. Which utility could help me to encrypt plain text password? |
| 12:55.57 | subx | ive just copied a whole debian etch OS onto another HD using rsync, i updated the fstab to make sure the correct volumes get mounted but when i boot from the new image it just shows a blank screen |
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| 12:56.05 | aav | karmatronic: i'm using Sid from right after i installed Slink |
| 12:56.47 | aav | subx: did you flag the partition bootable? |
| 12:57.04 | subx | no i didnt :-S |
| 12:57.13 | subx | was i meant to of done that with fdisk? |
| 12:57.29 | aav | aav: and then you should take care of the lilo/grub stuff |
| 12:57.52 | aav | s/aav/subx |
| 12:58.07 | subx | ok thanks :) |
| 12:58.09 | wireddd | how long does it usually take a kernel to go from experimental to unstable? |
| 12:58.24 | tralala | aav, talking to oneself is always a good way for having intelligent conversation, eh? ;) |
| 12:58.31 | wols_ | aav: that flag is useless |
| 12:58.43 | aav | tralala: yeah |
| 12:58.53 | abrotman | wireddd: they don't |
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| 12:59.17 | aav | wols_: really? you learn something everyday |
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| 12:59.30 | wireddd | ok so 2.6.22 will just get added straight to unstable at some point |
| 12:59.34 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:59.42 | abrotman | but it was just released two days ago |
| 13:00.09 | wireddd | yeah, I know, it has added support for alot of the stuff on my motherboard |
| 13:00.11 | wols_ | aav: at least if you use a linux bootloader in your MBR |
| 13:00.29 | abrotman | wireddd: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 13:01.09 | wireddd | I know I could make one, but I would rather wait |
| 13:01.35 | subx | wols_: do i need to put a linux boot loader on the HD boot block? |
| 13:01.53 | abrotman | wireddd: then just wait quietly in the corner and play 'enigma' |
| 13:02.28 | karmatronic | abrotman: is it not "debian-way" to install your own kernel? |
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| 13:02.33 | tralala | subx, hd boot block?! |
| 13:02.39 | subx | MBR |
| 13:02.43 | abrotman | karmatronic: it is if you use the kernel packaging stuff |
| 13:02.44 | aav | subx: you chroot in your cloned disk/partition and launch grub-install or something |
| 13:02.47 | tralala | yes, put it there |
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| 13:03.07 | subx | ok |
| 13:03.09 | abrotman | play enigma! |
| 13:03.16 | abrotman | mirror magic is fun too :) |
| 13:03.33 | tralala | it could have the positive side effect of breaking your windows, but unfortunately that's rear |
| 13:03.38 | aav | pengupop |
| 13:04.15 | tralala | or rahter rare |
| 13:04.31 | wireddd | planet penguin racer |
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| 13:04.54 | subx | grub has its own command line interface! |
| 13:04.59 | abrotman | yes! |
| 13:05.04 | karmatronic | cool! |
| 13:05.11 | subx | im sure i can create a MBR for my hard drive from this |
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| 13:05.14 | tralala | ain't that great?! |
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| 13:06.18 | wireddd | ok abrotman I will play enigma just for you |
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| 13:06.33 | karmatronic | wireddd: try pathological too |
| 13:06.35 | abrotman | wireddd: but when you stop playing in six hours . don't blame me! |
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| 13:06.41 | nettest | re2all |
| 13:06.46 | karmatronic | wireddd: and xmahjjong |
| 13:06.54 | nettest | i need some troubles with kernel |
| 13:07.03 | wireddd | linux needs a native desktop tower defense clone |
| 13:07.12 | nettest | i can't run "make menuconfig" |
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| 13:07.26 | karmatronic | nettest: are you root ? |
| 13:07.29 | wols_ | nettest: you need the libcurses dev package |
| 13:07.49 | nettest | karmatronic, yes, i have error |
| 13:07.49 | jnair | no apt-setup in etch ? |
| 13:07.52 | nettest | sysadmin:/usr/src/linux# make menuconfig |
| 13:07.52 | nettest | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.52 | nettest | scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of ‘current_menu’ follows non-static declaration |
| 13:07.52 | nettest | scripts/kconfig/lkc.h:63: error: previous declaration of ‘current_menu’ was here |
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| 13:08.04 | keith4_ | heh |
| 13:08.21 | wols_ | merhojt: what gcc vresion is this? |
| 13:08.25 | nettest | karmatronic, are you help me? |
| 13:08.30 | subx | ive got the 2x hard drives in my box. ive booted into the original OS and ive mounted the new hard drive. is there a way to install grub onto the mounted hard drive? do i execute a dpkg ? |
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| 13:09.11 | keith4_ | subx: grub-install |
| 13:09.12 | pike__ | subx: do you want to install /boot/grub or just write grub to the mbr of new drive and use grub/ on other hd? |
| 13:09.25 | subx | just write grub to the mbr of new drive |
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| 13:09.50 | karmatronic | nettest: apt-get install bzip2 libncurses5-dev fakeroot kernel-package |
| 13:10.12 | abrotman | aptitude install! |
| 13:10.13 | aptitude | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 13:10.20 | abrotman | aptitude: shuddup |
| 13:10.20 | aptitude | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 13:10.21 | pike__ | subx: 1) sudo grub at grub> 2) root (hd0,0) <--this is the partition with boot/grub 3) setup (hd1) <--hd0 or hd1 says to write to mbr of that hd. if that makes any sense |
| 13:10.24 | karmatronic | nettest: actually bzip2 libncurses5-dev should be enough |
| 13:10.29 | Rawplayer | why isnt there a cfdisk package in debian etch for sparc64? |
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| 13:10.36 | tarzeau | zecrazyt1x: if you had 150 desktops, you wouldn't either :) |
| 13:10.43 | karmatronic | nettest: and use aptitude :) |
| 13:10.43 | subx | pike__ thanks ill test it out :) |
| 13:10.49 | keith4_ | pike__: you think that's easier than using grub-install ?? |
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| 13:11.24 | keith4_ | subx: read the man page for grub-install |
| 13:11.34 | subx | ok |
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| 13:11.42 | pike__ | keith4_: prob not. :) but it helps to understand it a bit more. |
| 13:12.09 | zecrazyt1x | tarzeau: maybe... i have one... :D my laptop |
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| 13:14.20 | jasperhax0r | i need to know what i need to get with apt-get to do most compiling of software (like ubuntus build-essential) |
| 13:14.31 | rossMoHaX | Why it refuses to start Xorg from rc.local with "su - user -c startx" ? User not authorized to start Xserver. but later, if I login intercatively and type startx it starts |
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| 13:14.34 | stoned | 4 |
| 13:14.40 | stoned | man I swear to god |
| 13:14.52 | tralala | jasperhax0r, tried build-essential? |
| 13:14.53 | alexIdoia | can a HD failure or disfunction causes my CPU to overheat ?? |
| 13:14.55 | stoned | I change my mind, man, I dislike kubuntu. Sid doesnt crash this much on me |
| 13:15.10 | stoned | after I get back from work, I'm going back to debian, cuz at work I have debian so its ok |
| 13:15.16 | jasperhax0r | doesnt exist |
| 13:15.22 | stoned | !b-e |
| 13:15.23 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential |
| 13:15.26 | nettest | karmatronic, libcurses5-dev installed, bzip2 too |
| 13:15.28 | wols_ | stoned: you are repeating yourself |
| 13:15.41 | tralala | jasperhax0r, it does in debian |
| 13:15.42 | wols_ | jelly-home: you are mistaken |
| 13:15.43 | jasperhax0r | nvfm |
| 13:15.43 | nettest | karmatronic, a use Synaptic |
| 13:15.45 | stoned | wols_: no I'm not |
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| 13:15.50 | stoned | am I? |
| 13:15.56 | jasperhax0r | i must of coppied the name rong |
| 13:15.59 | wols_ | stoned: you said the same yesterday or so |
| 13:16.08 | wols_ | don't make me grep logs |
| 13:16.08 | stoned | yeh but no I didn't |
| 13:16.18 | alexIdoia | Because I hade a HD failure on my laptop a while ago but I did not change my HD . Tho since then my CPU is overheating, ? |
| 13:16.25 | jasperhax0r | it was probably mispelled on the website |
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| 13:16.30 | jasperhax0r | thnx |
| 13:16.32 | stoned | if I said it, I don't remember saying it |
| 13:16.43 | stoned | time to fix a flat tire and get high and go to work |
| 13:16.45 | stoned | later |
| 13:16.46 | wols_ | do less weed then |
| 13:17.06 | stoned | dude |
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| 13:17.15 | stoned | soon as i run out of this bag im quittin for good |
| 13:17.17 | stoned | again |
| 13:17.22 | stoned | this time more than 5 months |
| 13:17.23 | stoned | watch |
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| 13:17.45 | stoned | I think i came to a pint where I just stopped enjoyin it |
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| 13:18.57 | stoned | *out* |
| 13:20.42 | keith4_ | wow |
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| 13:23.05 | rossMoHaX | How to start Xserver from rc.local? |
| 13:23.13 | abrotman | you wouldn't |
| 13:23.20 | abrotman | install xdm or gdm or something like that |
| 13:23.20 | keith4_ | um, gdm? |
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| 13:24.44 | rossMoHaX | abrotman, keith4_ : I'd like to use startx script, I dont need any auth, also I'd like start Xorg from user, not from root |
| 13:24.44 | junix|work | are there backports for etch?? |
| 13:24.44 | tralala | junix|work, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 13:25.12 | tarzeau | there's no 2.x icedove backport? anyone got one? |
| 13:25.18 | subx | if i boot from the new hard-drive/os instead of a blank screen it now says 'Grub Hard Disk Error' |
| 13:25.19 | tarzeau | nothing at http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/i/icedove/ |
| 13:25.22 | keith4_ | rossMoHaX: iirc, gdm can auto login |
| 13:25.28 | tralala | rossMoHaX, install a distplay manager and configure autologin |
| 13:25.42 | alexIdoia | Because I hade a HD failure on my laptop a while ago but I did not change my HD . Tho since then my CPU is overheating, ? |
| 13:25.51 | keith4_ | rossMoHaX: look in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 13:25.54 | alexIdoia | sorry to ask again but I went away from my computer |
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| 13:26.02 | aav | subx: as i've said above, chroot to the cloned partition and launch grub-install from there |
| 13:26.03 | rossMoHaX | keith4_, gdm is too heavyweight |
| 13:26.09 | keith4_ | try xdm |
| 13:26.18 | subx | ok |
| 13:26.32 | alexIdoia | could it be a realtion between the fact that my HD is not working as expected and my CPU overheating ? |
| 13:26.45 | rossMoHaX | tralala, fluxbox is already installed and it runs fine when i do "startx" interactively |
| 13:26.50 | tralala | hardly |
| 13:26.58 | keith4_ | subx: you can also use something like "grub-install --root-dir=/mnt/something /dev/something" |
| 13:27.03 | alexIdoia | tralala: that was for me right ? |
| 13:27.13 | tralala | rossMoHaX, so? |
| 13:27.19 | rossMoHaX | keith4_, X server is just a program, Why I should install logon manager if I don't need to manage any sessions? |
| 13:27.20 | subx | ill give it a try |
| 13:27.22 | tralala | yes, alexIdoia |
| 13:27.32 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: you can check temperatures with a whole set of tools: https://inventory.phys.ethz.ch/stats/ |
| 13:27.33 | keith4_ | alexbodn: seems more likely that whatever is causing your CPU to overheat might also have contributed to your HD dying, don't you think? |
| 13:27.34 | alexIdoia | tralala: not even trying to get data on and off ? |
| 13:27.44 | rossMoHaX | tralala, when I put "su - user -c startx" in rc.local it doesn't work =( |
| 13:27.50 | abrotman | rossMoHaX: gdm can do that .. other wise .. su -c |
| 13:27.59 | abrotman | rossMoHaX: what about it doesn't work ? |
| 13:27.59 | alexIdoia | tarzeau: I only have a temp sensor on my chipset and the cpu temp is 77 degree |
| 13:28.02 | abrotman | and don't use rc.local |
| 13:28.03 | tralala | rossMoHaX, because that's a nice, easy and non-hackish way of doing autologin which is what you want, isn't it? |
| 13:28.05 | abrotman | !rc.local |
| 13:28.05 | dpkg | from memory, rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.lcoal). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s |
| 13:28.19 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: that's fine. i've had cpu's run at 90 degrees for weeks |
| 13:28.26 | alexIdoia | lol |
| 13:28.35 | alexIdoia | well it does not mean this is normal |
| 13:28.54 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: 80 degrees is very normal |
| 13:28.59 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: what cpu vendor? |
| 13:29.07 | aav | tarzeau: i would call it burning test (= |
| 13:29.19 | alexIdoia | tarzeau: is it no, |
| 13:29.20 | tralala | if my cpu goes 80 degrees I'll go 43! |
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| 13:29.25 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: i've got some machines with 3-4 disks, big tower, two cpus, and doing lots of i/o at 80 degrees |
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| 13:29.38 | tarzeau | tralala: you don't do alot of calculations and disk i/o, do you? |
| 13:29.40 | tsrepadmin | Hi. Is there a possibility to trace the actions of a user on a debian system? |
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| 13:29.48 | tarzeau | aav: the usualy simulations :) |
| 13:29.57 | keith4_ | tsrepadmin: bash history? |
| 13:30.03 | alexIdoia | ok but my laptop did not heat that much before. Might it comes from a HD slow of disfunctioning ? |
| 13:30.07 | alexIdoia | tarzeau: ^^ |
| 13:30.19 | alexIdoia | Would changing my HD solve the problem ? |
| 13:30.33 | tsrepadmin | keith thats only your own history |
| 13:30.34 | aav | tarzeau: i'm scared when here i read 65~70 degrees (= |
| 13:30.51 | tsrepadmin | or where can i find the history file? |
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| 13:30.52 | rossMoHaX | abrotman, it says "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting" |
| 13:30.52 | keith4_ | tsrepadmin: each user has a separate bash hisotry |
| 13:30.58 | tralala | tarzeau, sometimes I transform raw dvs to dvd mpegs. This is high cpu and IO useage for around 3 hours. I haven't seen much over 62 degrees |
| 13:31.12 | abrotman | rossMoHaX: but as a regular user .. it works fine ? |
| 13:31.15 | tsrepadmin | keith where can i find that? |
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| 13:31.33 | tarzeau | aav: you know for making holes into the earth, they got electronics for weeks at way over 150 degrees |
| 13:31.45 | tarzeau | aav: so 65-70 degrees is only a problem for harddisks :) |
| 13:31.47 | rossMoHaX | abrotman, after that it displays me a login prompt, I login succesfully and then type "startx" and it's work =) |
| 13:32.03 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: a laptop is completely a different thing |
| 13:32.17 | alexIdoia | ah |
| 13:32.18 | keith4_ | tsrepadmin: each user's home dir, look for .bash_history |
| 13:32.23 | rossMoHaX | abrotman, before error there is xauth messages that it creattes .Xauthority and .serverauth files |
| 13:32.24 | keith4_ | assuming the users are using bash, that is |
| 13:32.28 | alexIdoia | tarzeau: in that ? |
| 13:32.35 | tarzeau | tralala: depends on the cpu type, and cooling system |
| 13:32.56 | tsrepadmin | keith: intersting. thx |
| 13:33.00 | alexIdoia | so yes or no can a HD failure cause my CPU to heat up ? |
| 13:33.07 | amphi | my pentium m used to go over 70C under load |
| 13:33.11 | tralala | admiteddly my cpu is not an extreme editioni |
| 13:33.21 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: i don't want to burn my lap with a laptop\ |
| 13:33.33 | niru | my system did not reboot automatically after fress installation |
| 13:33.38 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: in a computer system or laptop? |
| 13:33.39 | niru | it showed white screen |
| 13:33.46 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: it sure can heat up a system, definitely |
| 13:33.49 | niru | but the installation was complete |
| 13:33.54 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: but usually not more than a cpu |
| 13:33.54 | niru | may I know why is it so |
| 13:34.12 | abrotman | rossMoHaX: uhm .. su - -c ? |
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| 13:34.20 | tarzeau | alexIdoia: do you also have external heating, like direct sunshine? |
| 13:34.23 | tralala | niru, a white screen? X? |
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| 13:34.39 | niru | tralala, yup |
| 13:34.45 | niru | tralala, I have the preseed file |
| 13:34.54 | niru | In that I even gave lines as: |
| 13:35.03 | niru | d-i finish-install/reboot_in_progress note |
| 13:35.03 | niru | d-i prebaseconfig/reboot_in_progress note |
| 13:35.08 | tralala | niru, is the mouse moving? |
| 13:35.23 | niru | tralala,nothing is visisble on that white screen |
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| 13:35.31 | niru | but when I restart it manually it works |
| 13:35.39 | niru | I get the grub |
| 13:35.42 | chance2105 | How do you restart the hal services in Etch? |
| 13:35.56 | tralala | so this is how the install ends up instead of rebooting? |
| 13:36.43 | abrotman | stew: *hate* the horde packages |
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| 13:36.53 | chance2105 | There doesn't appear to be anything relevant in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 13:38.05 | rossMoHaX | abrotman, /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config solves the problem |
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| 13:39.55 | aav | chance2105:probably: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/*hal restart |
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| 13:41.54 | chance2105 | aav: That did the trick. Thanks. |
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| 13:49.17 | StarkD | I'm playing around with rcconf and found the "Bootclean" service. What is it for? |
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| 13:53.22 | alexbodn | keith4_: didn't ask about cpu overheat, sorry :) |
| 13:54.33 | alexbodn | bye all |
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| 13:57.00 | tossebear | have a question.. dual opteron 285 with 4GB of ram, but free only reports 3035MB total.. debian etch with debian 2.6.18-k7 kernel ? |
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| 14:01.14 | jelly | tossebear: I bet that kernel doesn't have support for 64GB RAM |
| 14:01.51 | jelly | tossebear: try linux-image-686-bigmem or roll your own |
| 14:02.04 | tossebear | Warning only 4GB will be used. |
| 14:02.05 | tossebear | Use a PAE enabled kernel. |
| 14:02.05 | tossebear | 3200MB HIGHMEM available. |
| 14:02.05 | tossebear | 896MB LOWMEM available. |
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| 14:02.16 | tossebear | sorry |
| 14:02.27 | tossebear | thats what it says when booting |
| 14:02.29 | jelly | that looks like 4GB to me? |
| 14:02.42 | tossebear | Mem: 3108208 431108 2677100 0 15684 365928 |
| 14:02.46 | tossebear | thats what free reports |
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| 14:04.30 | jelly | I _think_ the kernel can't report more than 3GB available to userspace |
| 14:05.25 | pickcoder | tossebear: try free -m |
| 14:05.26 | aav | tossebear: IIRC you have 3+1 GB, 1 GB for kernel 3 GB for userland |
| 14:05.33 | pickcoder | then compare against buffers |
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| 14:06.21 | jelly | I don't know much about i386, address space and stuff, but I think the solution is, like dmesg says, to use a PAE enabled kernel, ie. -bigmem |
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| 14:07.11 | wols_ | tossebear: why are you running i386? |
| 14:07.15 | pickcoder | heh.. free -g doesn't calculate properly |
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| 14:07.41 | tossebear | Mem: 3035 420 2614 0 15 357 |
| 14:07.54 | tossebear | wols_: yes |
| 14:08.06 | wols_ | tossebear: that doesn't answer my question |
| 14:08.15 | wols_ | I didn't ask if, I asked why |
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| 14:08.35 | tossebear | wols_: sorry, misread :) its running vmware server |
| 14:08.46 | wols_ | that still isn't answering my question |
| 14:08.57 | jelly | we are running both 64 and 32bit vmware guests on 64bit host |
| 14:09.01 | jelly | it works |
| 14:09.12 | jelly | (tho, the host is RHEL) |
| 14:09.33 | pickcoder | jelly: don't shake the machine too much |
| 14:09.34 | tossebear | what i've heard in the vmware community is that 64bit host doesnt improve performance |
| 14:09.49 | jelly | pickcoder: I can shake it all the way, we haff support! :-) |
| 14:10.09 | wols_ | with the amount of memory you apparently need/want, they are wrong |
| 14:10.10 | pickcoder | tossebear: 64-bit gives you more RAM support |
| 14:10.23 | jelly | tossebear: I sure improves memory availability ;-) |
| 14:10.26 | pickcoder | afterall the addressing is double the bits! |
| 14:10.39 | jelly | 48bits != double 32. :-P |
| 14:10.59 | jelly | its still plenty |
| 14:11.08 | pickcoder | 48-bits? |
| 14:11.21 | tossebear | so... 3+1GB split is the reason why i only see 3GB? |
| 14:11.23 | jelly | I think so, read the specs |
| 14:11.27 | pickcoder | hm |
| 14:11.37 | wols_ | pickcoder: physically, amd cpus can address 48bit,yes. even when thy can address 64 logically |
| 14:11.43 | pickcoder | tossebear: there is 4GB there but the kernel has used some of it for itself |
| 14:11.45 | wols_ | tossebear: yes |
| 14:12.02 | wols_ | 3GB userspace, 1GB kernel and PCI space |
| 14:12.09 | pickcoder | wols_: did not know that and I thought I was up to speed |
| 14:12.12 | tossebear | is it needed or can it be changed? |
| 14:12.13 | wols_ | usually that can but upped to 3.5GB userspace max |
| 14:12.26 | wols_ | and those 500MB minimum for kernel are needed, yes |
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| 14:12.41 | jelly | pickcoder: so mere 2^48 (about ... 10^14) bytes |
| 14:12.42 | tossebear | is that cause PAE is enabled? |
| 14:12.43 | wols_ | tossebear: note: we're talking addres space for a single process here. not RAM availability |
| 14:12.53 | wols_ | tossebear: has nothing to do with PAE |
| 14:13.04 | anarcat | anyone here would have suggestions on how to proceed to "upgrade" a debian install from a 32bit (x86) architecture to a 64bit (amd64) architecture? |
| 14:13.13 | wols_ | anarcat: easy: reinstall |
| 14:13.16 | wols_ | different platforms |
| 14:13.36 | anarcat | wols_: not reinstall, upgrade ;) |
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| 14:13.53 | anarcat | i thought of using get-selections / set-selections... |
| 14:14.01 | junix|work | i deleted my Application toolbar in gnome, how do i get it back? |
| 14:14.02 | wols_ | there is no upgrade between different plaftorms |
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| 14:14.27 | anarcat | well, i thought that since 32bit code runs under the 64bit architecture... |
| 14:14.27 | tossebear | wols_: why does another machine with a single p4ht cpu and 4GB of RAM show 3772MB in free? (tho this is a 2.6.18 kernel i compiled myself) |
| 14:15.21 | simon23 | hi, how can i find out why my kde is always crashing and restarting when i exit xine ? |
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| 14:15.39 | simon23 | i already had a look at the Xorg logfiles. |
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| 14:16.23 | simon23 | there is just a crash mentioned which isnt specified any further. |
| 14:16.29 | simon23 | help? (please) |
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| 14:16.56 | dererk | am I crazy or 2.6.21 images have been downloaded to Testing? |
| 14:17.12 | tralala | simon23, etch? |
| 14:17.23 | simon23 | oh - yes... |
| 14:17.26 | wols_ | dererk: one doesn't necessarly prclude the other |
| 14:17.31 | dokma | how to specify that I do not want pcspkr module loaded at boot? |
| 14:17.33 | simon23 | its stable now - isnt it? |
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| 14:17.43 | tralala | simon23, see ~/.xsession-errors |
| 14:17.44 | wols_ | !blacklist |
| 14:17.44 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 14:17.51 | wols_ | dpkg: welcome back |
| 14:17.51 | dpkg | it's good to be home :) |
| 14:17.57 | dererk | lol |
| 14:18.20 | anarcat | jelly: i actually thought of using the Architecture option of apt |
| 14:18.25 | dokma | :D |
| 14:18.26 | dokma | cool |
| 14:19.45 | dokma | worked like a charm |
| 14:19.56 | dokma | did a modprobe -r pcspkr for the current session |
| 14:19.58 | dokma | all fine |
| 14:20.02 | dokma | don't even need a reboot |
| 14:20.03 | jelly | boohoo, no beeping |
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| 14:20.22 | dokma | right art thou |
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| 14:21.09 | simon23 | tralala: i pastet the file here... but i cant recognize much... http://phpfi.com/248698 |
| 14:21.36 | pickcoder | anarcat: if there were only a few things to change in a 64-bit upgrade, then it would make sense to have an upgrade path |
| 14:21.48 | pickcoder | however, most of the packages are compiled for the 64-bit kernel |
| 14:21.59 | pickcoder | which is good, if you're running 64-bit |
| 14:22.11 | tralala | simon23, did you install etch after it became stable? |
| 14:22.25 | simon23 | tralala : no - before |
| 14:24.10 | StarkD | How come pmwiki is not included in debian main? It's GPL |
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| 14:24.19 | subx | ive checked my drive with: grub-install --recheck /dev/sdb1 |
| 14:24.26 | simon23 | tralala: i better perform another aptitude upgrade... |
| 14:24.32 | tralala | not everything that's gpl is in debian |
| 14:24.41 | subx | but keep on getting: /dev/sdb does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 14:24.45 | subx | when i try to install grub |
| 14:24.50 | gbw | hi, if we make any changes in /etc/environment what should we do next to make the changes effectiv? |
| 14:24.52 | tralala | simon23, what's your kde version? |
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| 14:25.14 | boro | . /etc/environment |
| 14:25.18 | StarkD | tralala: what are the requirements to be included? |
| 14:25.49 | tralala | StarkD, somebody interested to package and maintain it |
| 14:26.07 | StarkD | tralala: ok that makes sense I guess |
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| 14:26.54 | simon23 | tralala: in my k menu there is a 3.5 on the left side... but i dont know which 3.5. xx it is.. |
| 14:27.16 | anarcat | 80~90~981~ |
| 14:27.17 | anarcat | stupid cat |
| 14:27.24 | gbw | how can you unset a variable which has been exported? |
| 14:27.34 | gbw | i want to deactivate my $http_proxy variable |
| 14:27.39 | anarcat | pickcoder: so basically, i need to reinstall every package out there, right? |
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| 14:28.27 | mrdo | tell StarkD test |
| 14:28.29 | gbw | ah unset |
| 14:28.42 | DawnLight | i have two debian boxes in a network. i want to control box1's X session with box0, so that i won't need a monitor, keyboard and mouse for box1. i did it before when box1 had windows 2000 on it using VNC. what would be the best way to do it now when both boxes are running debian? |
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| 14:28.53 | mrdo | StarkD I am interested in packaging all the GPL software for debian in a rough package archive. |
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| 14:29.13 | wols_ | DawnLight: does the controlled box have a videocard? |
| 14:29.25 | mrdo | StarkD check out the google caches for frdcsa.onshore.net (it's down right now) |
| 14:29.34 | mrdo | StarkD also shops.sf.net |
| 14:29.36 | tralala | simon23, try a clean install somewhere |
| 14:30.01 | simon23 | tralala: yes - i guess thats the only solution.... |
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| 14:30.42 | tralala | it's probably some ify lib problem that will be hard to trace |
| 14:31.10 | simon23 | okay... |
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| 14:33.58 | eddie__ | anyone alive? |
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| 14:34.09 | simon23 | yes+ |
| 14:34.20 | mirza___ | Can you use apt-get to install in ~ on systems where you aren't root? |
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| 14:34.24 | eddie__ | rsync -avrt will work making a local apt repository correct for sarge? |
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| 14:35.42 | Skyrail_ | Guys can I have the link to the single Debian install CD again please :| |
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| 14:36.46 | tralala | !d-i |
| 14:36.47 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 14:37.53 | Skyrail__ | tralala: thanks |
| 14:37.57 | gbw | boro, is "." the same as "source"? |
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| 14:38.33 | abrotman | gbw: yes |
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| 14:38.43 | stoned | ? |
| 14:38.52 | gbw | ok |
| 14:39.53 | Noborusan | night guys, bye abrotman and tralala . |
| 14:40.02 | boro | gbw: yes |
| 14:40.08 | boro | late ;) |
| 14:40.42 | tralala | boro, you're not paying attention ;) |
| 14:40.53 | harpal | I have recompiled kernel 2.6.18.1 and after that when I boot from that kernel then it stop ping |
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| 14:41.10 | harpal | I cant ping from linux to other machine |
| 14:41.18 | harpal | any idea? |
| 14:41.27 | chops | harpal: Did you forget to include the driver for your network card, possibly? |
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| 14:43.02 | harpal | chops: I have proxyserver installed on that linux system so i can access that linux system |
| 14:43.22 | harpal | but internally from linux it stops pings |
| 14:43.25 | tralala | !stock kernels |
| 14:43.41 | tralala | !debian kernel images |
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| 14:43.52 | tralala | mmmmmeh! |
| 14:45.20 | eddie__ | rsync -avrt will work making a local apt repository correct for sarge? |
| 14:45.22 | eddie__ | ??? |
| 14:45.25 | chops | harpal: I doubt that "internally from Linux it stops pings" is what's really going on. Can you ping the non-pingable machine from a different machine? Can you access any services on it from the Linux machine? Can you ping unix.andrew.cmu.edu? |
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| 14:45.56 | D0ug | Hello, I have been having much difficulty using the netinst on my computer. |
| 14:46.04 | D0ug | I cannot connect to the internet at all. |
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| 14:46.19 | D0ug | I nam running a DSL modem through ethernet. |
| 14:46.40 | tralala | D0ug, try using CD1 for installing |
| 14:46.45 | D0ug | Some assistance would be VERY appreciated |
| 14:47.17 | D0ug | Is there any way I could avoid downloading 700 megs? |
| 14:48.14 | eddie__ | chops can you maybe answer my question about the debian rsync to make a local mirror? |
| 14:48.41 | chops | eddie__: Sorry, I don't know. Google "debian local mirror". |
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| 14:49.37 | tralala | D0ug, you can figure out if your nic is supported by 2.6.18 and if it isn't you can search for an unofficial installer using a more recent kernel |
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| 14:53.15 | D0ug | I know at some point in time my ISP was supported. Whenever I use a VERY old version of Knoppix (Damn Small Linux) it works perfectly, only when I upgrade it no longer works. |
| 14:53.28 | harpal | chops: I cant ping from my linux machine to any other |
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| 14:53.51 | harpal | other machine can also ping my linux machine |
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| 14:54.03 | neozyan | hi all i have problem with media players |
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| 14:54.24 | neozyan | its saysudio codec 'MPEG 1 Layer 3 CBR' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movie |
| 14:54.30 | neozyan | can any one help me |
| 14:55.21 | neozyan | i got this after i complied kernel 2.6.18.4 |
| 14:55.22 | DawnLight | i have two debian boxes in a network. i want to control box1's X session through box0, so that box1 won't have a monitor, a keyboard and a mouse attached. i've done such a thing before, when box1 ran windows 2000 using VNC. what is the best way to remote desktop now that both boxes are running debian? |
| 14:55.23 | eriberto | hi! In Iceweasel, I need to exclude a domain from proxy list except a host. Example: .test.com,! one.test.com. How to make this??? |
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| 14:55.53 | chops | harpal: Please be more specific -- you didn't try every machine in the world, so instead of saying "can't ping... to any other" say "I pinged hosts X, Y, and Z, and none of them worked." |
| 14:56.13 | chops | harpal: Also, I asked you a few debugging questions before which you still haven't answered |
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| 14:58.08 | mbor | what is the security module for apache2 called in debian? seems like it isn't libapache2-mod-security anymore |
| 14:58.52 | azeem | mbor: there's licensing issues with mod-security I think |
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| 14:59.08 | mbor | azeem: so it doesn't work any longer? |
| 14:59.54 | chops | DawnLight: X works great remotely. Use xauth on the machine to be used as the display, and reset DISPLAY on the machine to be used as the displayless machine. |
| 15:00.06 | azeem | mbor: Debian cannot distribute it |
| 15:00.32 | mbor | azeem: that sucks |
| 15:00.40 | azeem | yes, indeed |
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| 15:00.49 | chops | DawnLight: There are fancier things to do (e.g. with xdm), but it's easy to get working just to play with. |
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| 15:01.30 | DawnLight | chops: can you point me in the direction of some documentation for this, or perhaps some key words that i can use to search? |
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| 15:02.57 | chops | DawnLight: Sure, lemme look |
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| 15:04.09 | jelly | azeem: funny thing is there's no -source package either |
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| 15:04.44 | jelly | like there is for, say, djb's stuff |
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| 15:04.54 | azeem | jelly: why is that funny? |
| 15:04.58 | tzanger | debian newb here... bare install (naturally) does not have a compiler |
| 15:05.02 | azeem | -source packages are a kludge |
| 15:05.09 | urv | mbor: http://www.debian-unofficial.org/ |
| 15:05.13 | tzanger | is htere an easy way to install the compilers, headers, -dev versions the popular libraries and so on? |
| 15:05.37 | tzanger | tried aptitude but it didn't seem to work (installed gcc 3.4 but gcc wasn't here, so I apt-get installed gcc and that mostly worked |
| 15:05.42 | chops | tzanger: build-essential is probably the package you want |
| 15:05.42 | tzanger | but still something missing |
| 15:05.45 | tzanger | aha |
| 15:05.54 | chops | DawnLight: http://www.xs4all.nl/~zweije/xauth.html looks like about what you want |
| 15:06.15 | mbor | urv: nice, thanks |
| 15:06.15 | cahoot | or simply use ssh -X |
| 15:06.20 | tzanger | chops: hmm, that's saying it can't install it |
| 15:06.27 | chops | tzanger: Why not? |
| 15:06.32 | sebastian | Does anyone know why I need to reinstall my nVidia driver everytime I reboot the computer? And still there arn't any errors in the Xorg.0.log |
| 15:06.39 | tzanger | depends on libc6-dev but it's not going to be installed, same with libc-dev, g++ and dpkg-dev |
| 15:06.46 | harpal | chops: thanx for your advice |
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| 15:07.03 | harpal | Once I restart that system again then its all working |
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| 15:07.28 | chops | tzanger: Sounds like your installation is out of date. Is it stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 15:07.34 | chops | harpal: np |
| 15:07.35 | tzanger | it's sarge |
| 15:07.38 | sadsadsadA | Does anyone know why my cronjob doesnt work?: */5 * * * * root /usr/bin/php /var/www/erage/cron/usersOnline.php |
| 15:07.47 | DawnLight | won't using ssh -X be heavier on the CPU due to the encryption? |
| 15:07.55 | tzanger | chops: apt-get upgrade says there's nothing to be done |
| 15:07.58 | aav | tzanger: oldstable then |
| 15:08.29 | sadsadsadA | anyone? |
| 15:08.30 | hopecon | bueller? |
| 15:08.47 | StarkD | mrdo: interesting idea. not sure I understand what you mean with a rough package archive though |
| 15:09.07 | chops | DawnLight: Yes, it will. Depending on your needs the cost may or may not outweight the benefit. |
| 15:09.11 | jelly | hopecon: uhhh... |
| 15:09.28 | jelly | anyone? |
| 15:09.28 | hopecon | bueller? |
| 15:09.34 | sadsadsadA | Does anyone know why my cronjob doesnt work?: */5 * * * * root /usr/bin/php /var/www/erage/cron/usersOnline.php |
| 15:09.38 | chops | tzanger: Does you sources.list say 'sarge', or 'stable'? |
| 15:10.16 | jelly | sadsadsadA: is this a user's crontab, or an entry in a /etc/cron.d/ file? |
| 15:10.17 | tzanger | chops: it says sarge |
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| 15:11.37 | tzanger | should I just change that to stable and do a dist-upgrade to get to etch? |
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| 15:12.07 | jelly | sadsadsadA: do you have a newline character at the end of that line? :-) Some editors let you omit it, and Debian's cron doesn't like lines without a \n |
| 15:12.33 | tralala | tzanger, if that's what you want |
| 15:12.39 | tralala | !sarge->etch |
| 15:12.40 | dpkg | methinks sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
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| 15:13.10 | tzanger | tralala: eek okay |
| 15:13.25 | chops | tzanger: There's certainly a simpler way to solve the problem. Does 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade' want to do anything? |
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| 15:13.37 | tzanger | and if I want to just stay at sarge, am I missing a step ot get the build-essential virutal package? |
| 15:13.57 | chops | tzanger: Can you paste the full output of the failed 'apt-get install build-essential' command to a pastebin? |
| 15:14.02 | tzanger | chops: okay |
| 15:14.39 | tzanger | chops: http://www.pastebin.ca/612664 |
| 15:15.13 | chops | tzanger: Ah, broken packages |
| 15:15.29 | tzanger | how on earth did I get broken packages?? |
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| 15:17.53 | sadsadsadA | jelly, do I have to enter it in that file? |
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| 15:19.11 | chops | tzanger: Can you run 'sudo apt-get -f install' and pastebin the output? |
| 15:19.41 | tzanger | chops: no need to pastebin |
| 15:19.42 | tzanger | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 15:20.34 | jelly | sadsadsadA: enter what? newline means pressing enter at the end of the line. |
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| 15:21.29 | chops | tzanger: ? Hmm... does 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade' attempt to do anything? |
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| 15:21.36 | jelly | sadsadsadA: also, you didn't answer the first question... I asked it because this syntax is invalid for a user's crontab |
| 15:21.45 | chops | tzanger: Also, can you pastebin your sources.list? |
| 15:21.58 | olspookishmagus | what can I do to correct this? -> http://www.pastebin.ca/612503 |
| 15:22.18 | junix|work | anyone know if there is a backport of otrs for etch? |
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| 15:23.19 | _good_day | using ssh how can i open the remote machine file in gedit ? i have debian installed in both machines. |
| 15:23.26 | tzanger | chops: http://www.pastebin.ca/612670 |
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| 15:23.47 | prh | could someone remind of the the package/program that allows me to do a "make install" on something and it'll watch a record where it saves stuff so that it can later be removed? |
| 15:23.48 | tzanger | chops: aptitude update/dist-upgrade looked like it was going to do something (complained of locales missing but not fatal) but eventually did nothing |
| 15:24.17 | olspookishmagus | prh: make install && make uninstall? |
| 15:24.25 | aav | _good_day: do you have gedit on both? |
| 15:24.39 | _good_day | my friend having redhat can do it.. how can i enable it in debian. yes i do have gedit on both. |
| 15:24.44 | prh | olspookishmagus: :O) |
| 15:24.47 | streuner | olspookishmagus: apt-get remove gnopernicus |
| 15:24.50 | prh | olspookishmagus: no |
| 15:24.51 | chops | olspookishmagus: It doesn't look like there's anything to correct -- aptitude has concluded that you can't upgrade yet, because it would require the removal of gnopernicus, so it's not doing anything. |
| 15:25.04 | sadsadsadA | jelly - I want the user "root" to run that script every 5min, how to do it? |
| 15:25.05 | aav | _good_day: use the -X option of ssh |
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| 15:25.15 | olspookishmagus | well thanks chops I will try later sometimes |
| 15:25.28 | prh | olspookishmagus: checkinstall seems to be the one I'm after |
| 15:25.40 | sadsadsadA | I want it to run a php script. |
| 15:25.59 | _good_day | ohh thats good let me try. just have to append -X at the end. |
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| 15:26.14 | olspookishmagus | does anyone know what's with the sun-java6-jre package that DOES NOT come with the firefox/iceweasel plugin? =/ |
| 15:26.17 | aav | _good_day: or use sshfs, mount the remote machine, and use your local editor |
| 15:26.43 | _good_day | aav: wow.. great.. fantastic idea. |
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| 15:27.48 | jetscreamer | olspookishmagus: you probably need to enable non-free contrib and install it |
| 15:28.02 | jetscreamer | !java |
| 15:28.03 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
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| 15:28.06 | mrdo | StarkD are you still here? |
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| 15:28.15 | olspookishmagus | !install java |
| 15:28.15 | dpkg | it has been said that install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk or sun-java6-jdk package from non-free if you're using ... |
| 15:28.44 | erik | i get this when iconfiuring pifgin: |
| 15:28.46 | erik | checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool |
| 15:28.47 | erik | which package does that pertain to ? |
| 15:28.48 | chops | tzanger: Does 'apt-get install build-essential' do anything more productive now that you've done the 'aptitude update'? |
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| 15:28.59 | olspookishmagus | jetscreamer: I already have done that, but this package does not come with the firefox/iceweasel plug-in |
| 15:29.00 | tzanger | chops: no. exact same thing |
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| 15:30.07 | olspookishmagus | jetscreamer: I have initiated a aptitude reinstall sun-java6-jre |
| 15:30.21 | tzanger | chops: if I say to intall libc6 it says it's already installed, but libc6-dev says it won't install because libc6 isn't htere |
| 15:30.38 | mrdo | StarkD: are you still here? |
| 15:30.43 | chops | tzanger: What's 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
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| 15:30.50 | jetscreamer | olspookishmagus: i don't know much about java, all i know is mine works i think |
| 15:30.55 | olspookishmagus | still won't install the firefox/iceweasel plug-in |
| 15:30.59 | aav | olspookishmagus: maybe you need the sun-java6-plugin package? |
| 15:30.59 | tzanger | chops: ii libc6 2.5-9+b1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 15:31.05 | jetscreamer | !info apt-rdepends |
| 15:31.08 | dpkg | apt-rdepends: (Recursively lists package dependencies), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.3.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 15:31.12 | olspookishmagus | aav: lol... is there one? |
| 15:31.17 | jelly | sadsadsadA: you still haven't answered my first question. Where are you putting this line? |
| 15:31.19 | tzanger | chops: that's desired: install, status: install, right? |
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| 15:31.35 | sadsadsadA | Just typed it into SSH |
| 15:31.49 | aav | olspookishmagus: mmh, it's a metapackage |
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| 15:33.07 | jelly | sadsadsadA: use an editor to open a new file in /etc/cron.d/, then put that line in there. |
| 15:33.34 | sadsadsadA | then? |
| 15:33.41 | jelly | sadsadsadA: that's it |
| 15:33.50 | chops | tzanger: Aha. You have upgraded beyond sarge, so you're not able to install sarge packages that conflict with the newer packages that you have installed. |
| 15:33.50 | olspookishmagus | thanks a lot ppl |
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| 15:33.55 | sadsadsadA | ok |
| 15:34.05 | cmihai | Hi. I'm having some issues trying to burn cd's. Basically I've tried over 20 CDRW media, all good. Odd thing is, used media I can -blank works every now and then. http://paste.lisp.org/display/44290 |
| 15:34.21 | cmihai | But sometimes it just won't write a damn thing. |
| 15:34.39 | tzanger | chops: so I follow the sarge->etch update and go from there? |
| 15:34.46 | tzanger | chops: and how in the WORLD did you determine that? |
| 15:34.47 | cmihai | Tried growisofs, cdrecord (well, wodim), Nero Linux, burn, and frontends like k3b / xcdburn or whatever. |
| 15:34.53 | tzanger | (I didn't do this install, I kind of fell into it) |
| 15:35.04 | jelly | sadsadsadA: note that root will get mail containing the output of your script |
| 15:35.10 | chops | tzanger: Hmm, 2.5-9+b1 is newer than etch (etch is 2.3.6.ds1-13)... |
| 15:35.15 | cmihai | Apperently I'm hitting a really nice error here: |
| 15:35.16 | cmihai | Errno: 0 (Success), test unit ready scsi sendcmd: no error |
| 15:35.22 | cmihai | Error: no error, wow. |
| 15:35.28 | jelly | cmihai: that's no error! |
| 15:35.32 | cmihai | No shit. |
| 15:35.37 | cmihai | Well, then why isn't it BURNING |
| 15:35.58 | jelly | cmihai: because you haven't appeased the mighty scsi gods |
| 15:35.58 | chops | tzanger: I determined that by comparing your version of libc6 with ones on my sarge, etch, and sid systems :-) |
| 15:36.16 | chops | tzanger: It would have been easier to go to packages.debian.org, but that's what I did |
| 15:36.20 | cmihai | jelly: it's not a SCSI cdrw, it's a regular ATA DVDRW |
| 15:36.24 | sadsadsadA | ok jelly, but do you know where php5 is installed by default? |
| 15:36.32 | tzanger | chops: I appreciate your tenacity! I'll follow the upgrade procedure, and smack the person who did this. :-) |
| 15:36.42 | jelly | cmihai: which distro, which app, which kernel version? are you running as root? |
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| 15:37.00 | aav | cmihai: HW fails sometimes, how old is the burner? |
| 15:37.07 | cmihai | 1 year or so. |
| 15:37.12 | chops | tzanger: Okay. Be careful with the upgrade -- upgrading a newer-than-etch-but-with-some-sarge-packages system (if that is in fact what you've got) to etch might be... interesting. |
| 15:37.13 | jelly | cmihai: that doesn't matter, all burners use scsi commands ;-) |
| 15:37.23 | cmihai | Yeah, I know, just saying :-) |
| 15:37.32 | cmihai | The whole emulation deal might be broken. |
| 15:37.40 | chops | tzanger: It could also be that what you've got is a sid system with sarge in the sources.list, also, of course. |
| 15:37.55 | tzanger | chops: well it'll be a full etch system in a moment, come hell or high water |
| 15:37.56 | cmihai | Anyway, Etch, 2.6.18, all applications. |
| 15:38.24 | jelly | cmihai: are you running as user with permissions to the device? |
| 15:38.52 | cmihai | I already said so. ROOT |
| 15:38.56 | jelly | cmihai: sorr |
| 15:38.57 | cmihai | sudo mate, it's in the paste. |
| 15:38.59 | jelly | ee |
| 15:39.29 | dokma | is there a way to use find with -exec to rename hundreds of files to small caps? |
| 15:39.36 | cmihai | Heh |
| 15:39.42 | cmihai | jelly: could you do a lsmod | grep scsi for me? |
| 15:39.44 | chops | tzanger: That could be difficult as well -- downgrading from sid to etch is not generally well-supported. In any case, good luck. |
| 15:39.52 | cmihai | I think I _might_ be missing the whole ATA over SCSI thing |
| 15:40.05 | cmihai | Not sure though, but probably some module in the kernel is acting stupid |
| 15:40.15 | tzanger | chops: well if it gets too hairy, it's time for a clean install |
| 15:40.17 | jelly | cmihai: don't think so, it wouldn't work at all in that case |
| 15:40.37 | jetscreamer | dokma: small caps? but yes .. you might /join #bash or #perl for somebody who knows how... not that there aren't ppl in here who know how |
| 15:40.41 | cmihai | Yeah, I did burn 2 or so cds before. |
| 15:40.44 | cmihai | Same boot ffs. |
| 15:40.50 | jelly | cmihai: /dev/cdrw is a symlink to a /dev/hd? device I presume? |
| 15:40.58 | cmihai | jelly: yeah |
| 15:41.10 | aav | dokma: with tr, maybe |
| 15:41.11 | dokma | thanks jetscreamer |
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| 15:41.35 | cmihai | jelly: tried every device with both wodim (cdrecord) and growisofs, that's not the issue here. |
| 15:41.47 | klim_ | hi, what is the use of numa=noacpi is for? any quick explanations |
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| 15:41.54 | cmihai | jelly: besides, it even ejects -t the cd |
| 15:42.05 | stew | dokma: find ...whatever... -exec rename '$_=lc($_)' {} \; |
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| 15:42.32 | jelly | dokma: man prename, perhaps |
| 15:42.32 | stew | dokma: or, perhaps better is find ...whatever... -print0 | xargs -0 rename '$_=lc($_)' |
| 15:42.43 | jetscreamer | do you even know what numa is? |
| 15:42.48 | jetscreamer | no offense if you do |
| 15:42.54 | dokma | ahh this one looks workable |
| 15:42.59 | dokma | thanks stew |
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| 15:43.26 | jelly | stew: ooh, lc() will even take care locale into account, nice |
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| 15:44.39 | dokma | worked like a charm |
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| 15:47.03 | cmihai | Oh well, I'll try some older kernel I have around |
| 15:47.23 | cmihai | I have a 2.16 around, I hope that works. |
| 15:48.45 | jelly | cmihai: a newer one might be a better idea. Or 2.6.15, some stuff regarding ATA passthru was changed after that |
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| 15:50.25 | Rawplayer | how can i create a new /dev ? |
| 15:50.30 | Rawplayer | with all the devices included |
| 15:50.46 | stew | Rawplayer: are you using udev? |
| 15:50.52 | Rawplayer | stew: yes |
| 15:51.12 | Rawplayer | stew: i want to include the /dev into a chroot evironment |
| 15:51.48 | chops | Rawplayer: mount --bind |
| 15:51.56 | stew | Rawplayer: why not bind mount the dev from outside into the chroot environment? |
| 15:51.59 | Rawplayer | chops: thats not a option |
| 15:52.04 | Rawplayer | well |
| 15:52.05 | chops | Rawplayer: Why not? |
| 15:52.14 | stew | Rawplayer: do you actually need devices to exist in the chroot that don't exist in the real /dev ? |
| 15:52.27 | Rawplayer | i'am busy with putting my current install on a raid setup |
| 15:52.44 | Rawplayer | thats why i need to real devices |
| 15:52.51 | stew | why? |
| 15:52.57 | Rawplayer | i will remove the old later |
| 15:53.03 | Rawplayer | + installation |
| 15:53.11 | stew | so you need to talk to devices that don't exist? |
| 15:53.23 | Rawplayer | stew: in my new setup /dev is empty |
| 15:53.26 | chops | Rawplayer: You don't want to copy what udev has made in /dev into /mnt/raid/dev -- you want to set the new system up so that udev handles the RAIDed /dev the same as it handles the non-RAIDed /dev. |
| 15:54.12 | stew | Rawplayer: you can cd /dev ; /sbin/MAKDEDEV generic |
| 15:54.22 | chops | Rawplayer: I would mount your root FS again somewhere, copy the handful of devices that are there into /mnt/raid/dev (it should be console, null, and maybe 2-3 more), and let udev handle the rest. |
| 15:55.39 | dutchfish | can someone explain me (or how to solve) the fact that xen gives checksum errors on its virtual adapters (packet-check-summing) when in bridge mode? |
| 15:55.40 | chops | Rawplayer: When a udev-using system is running, what's in /dev is not at all the same as what should be in /dev on the root FS when the system is not running. |
| 15:55.58 | chops | Rawplayer: ... if that makes any sense. |
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| 15:59.46 | Rawplayer | stew: thanks |
| 16:00.09 | Rawplayer | chops: so i cant just copy /oldinstall/dev/md* into /target/dev/ ? |
| 16:00.32 | nesssy | i can't seem to get anjuta to build. The build menu is greyed out. although i can compile it |
| 16:00.41 | chops | Rawplayer: More generally, I would not recommend creating a RAID chroot based on a running system. You'll run into issues like this. |
| 16:00.46 | stew | Rawplayer: if you are going to boot that device, you want a fully populated dev, not just a few selected entries |
| 16:00.56 | nesssy | any idea anyone? |
| 16:01.05 | stew | chops: what kind of issues/ |
| 16:01.11 | Rawplayer | i'm not in a booted system |
| 16:01.18 | Rawplayer | i'm boot from installation cd |
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| 16:01.35 | Rawplayer | i have mounted the old setup in /oldinstall and the new setup in /target |
| 16:01.45 | chops | Rawplayer: Oh, beautiful. Just copy whatever's in /oldinstall to /newinstall. Whatever was in /dev on the old system will also work in the new system. |
| 16:02.21 | Rawplayer | chops: i tried that, but my filesystem runn full for a unknown reason during copying the raid devices |
| 16:02.40 | chops | stew: Issues like: /dev is different in a running system than it is on an unrunning root filesystem, pid files will get preserved and still be there when you boot the new system, unclean mysql tables... |
| 16:02.53 | chops | Rawplayer: Okay, so that's your problem. What are you using to copy? |
| 16:02.57 | stew | chops: what pid files? |
| 16:03.11 | Rawplayer | chops: cp.. |
| 16:03.21 | stew | Rawplayer: cp /dev/sda1 /some/other/dev/sda1 will actually copy the CONTENTS of the partition to a file |
| 16:03.25 | Rawplayer | but i assume i need to use something else? |
| 16:03.36 | Rawplayer | ahh |
| 16:03.37 | Rawplayer | i see |
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| 16:03.51 | Rawplayer | so what do i need to "copy" devices? |
| 16:03.52 | stew | Rawplayer: likewise cp /dev/zero /path/to/someother/dev/zero will copy zeros to the new location until the new location is full |
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| 16:04.02 | stew | Rawplayer: don't, just use MAKEDEV |
| 16:04.12 | raqamy | can i ssh to a host that is behind a gateway while i am also behind a gateway? |
| 16:04.15 | chops | stew: /var/run/gpm.pid and the like. I know /var/run gets cleaned at boot, but the general principle (don't take a snapshot of a running system and then try to boot it) is the same |
| 16:04.18 | chops | Rawplayer: Use cp -a |
| 16:04.32 | stew | chops: that's /var, not /dev |
| 16:04.40 | chops | Rawplayer: That won't just interfere with files in /dev, you'll get all sorts of wrongness if you try to copy a root filesystem with just "cp" |
| 16:05.53 | Rawplayer | i see |
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| 16:08.47 | raqamy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:09.28 | stew | raqamy: only if the remote gateway is willing to forward to port |
| 16:09.32 | pickcoder | raqamy: if port 22 is being forwarded |
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| 16:10.56 | ChaosR | !dvorak |
| 16:10.56 | dpkg | i heard dvorak is for typing better than qwerty :P, or the coolest layout ever, or at http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/, or for insecure men with small penises, or <grub dvorak> |
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| 16:11.29 | jelly | hmm, how can I make HAL use ntfs-3g for mounting ntfs instead of kernel's ntfs support? |
| 16:11.37 | raqamy | stew, pickcoder thanks |
| 16:11.42 | carl-m | Anyone know why dchroot would give the error E: locale::facet::_S_create_c_locale name not valid |
| 16:11.44 | ChaosR | how do I change my keyboard layout to dvorak? |
| 16:11.45 | stew | !dvorak =~ s#, or for insecure men with small penises## |
| 16:11.45 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 16:12.24 | carl-m | when LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 16:12.26 | jelly | carl-m: I don't, but I'd try rerunning with export LANG=C ;-) |
| 16:12.47 | carl-m | it works with LANG="" or LANG="C" |
| 16:13.03 | stew | ChaosR: setxkbmap dvorak |
| 16:13.51 | ChaosR | amazing it worked |
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| 16:14.06 | xand | you need a screwdriver |
| 16:14.16 | ChaosR | how do i change it back? |
| 16:14.37 | jelly | setxkbmap us, probably |
| 16:14.43 | ChaosR | :) |
| 16:14.55 | xand | us? in nl? |
| 16:15.00 | jelly | sure |
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| 16:15.15 | ChaosR | my wpm is back to 0.001 |
| 16:15.17 | carl-m | I suppose I'm stuck reading the source for dchroot |
| 16:15.22 | jelly | at least he'll be back to qwerty |
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| 16:16.13 | ChaosR | xand: dutch keyboards are rara here :P |
| 16:16.16 | IhAh | Hello. I'm running debian sarge and want to add a second and a third IP. How do i add them correct? |
| 16:16.18 | jelly | unfortunately there's no getxkbmap |
| 16:16.24 | ChaosR | rare* |
| 16:16.33 | xand | oh |
| 16:16.38 | xand | I hate US keyboards |
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| 16:17.11 | ChaosR | xand: all us keyboards :P |
| 16:18.03 | benjamindees | IhAh, man ifconfig |
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| 16:20.00 | jelly | benjamindees: uh, the _correct_ way would probably be man 5 interfaces |
| 16:20.09 | Rawplayer | chops, so cp -Arf is the best method? |
| 16:20.16 | jelly | benjamindees: and even that is not very helpful |
| 16:20.17 | Rawplayer | cp -arf i mean |
| 16:20.49 | xand | ChaosR: pfft. |
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| 16:29.10 | jelly | note: Das Keyboard is NOT really a German product |
| 16:29.40 | aadil | then u should say Teh Keybored |
| 16:29.41 | aadil | :d |
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| 16:29.57 | leku | hello |
| 16:30.51 | leku | anyone know when debian/ubuntu will be leveraging some of the new wireless support in the latest 2.6.22 Linux kernel? |
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| 16:32.49 | tarzeau | leku: for ubuntu ask #ubuntu |
| 16:33.05 | leku | I did |
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| 16:33.27 | tarzeau | don't ask about it in here |
| 16:33.49 | jelly | he didn't ask about ubuntu only |
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| 16:35.02 | cahoot | the 'anyone' isn't quite kosher either |
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| 16:35.37 | rocketmagnet | morning folks |
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| 16:36.04 | rocketmagnet | i have some stupid troubles with packing a directory with tar, i use tar -cvf archive.tar -C Directory/ |
| 16:36.15 | rocketmagnet | but it throws me an error: could not create empty archive |
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| 16:36.53 | Gathond | rocketmagnet: skip the -C |
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| 16:37.12 | rocketmagnet | oh |
| 16:37.22 | Gathond | rocketmagnet: that tells it to enter that directory before looking for files, and since that is the last argument it looks for no files |
| 16:37.23 | rocketmagnet | Gathond: and how to skip subdirectories ? |
| 16:37.35 | rocketmagnet | ah ok |
| 16:37.36 | rocketmagnet | thx |
| 16:37.45 | poncha | how can i get array length in bash? |
| 16:37.53 | rocketmagnet | Gathond: so as first argument it would work ? |
| 16:37.56 | Gathond | rocketmagnet: I don't know that of the top of my head |
| 16:38.05 | rocketmagnet | =)thx |
| 16:38.06 | Gathond | rocketmagnet: it does nothing for you in this case |
| 16:38.22 | Gathond | rocketmagnet: -C means it should change to that directory before doing anything |
| 16:38.38 | Gathond | you have the same effect by changing to that direcroty and run tar there |
| 16:38.55 | Gathond | you would still need to specify which files/directories to add |
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| 16:39.32 | rocketmagnet | so tar -C dirname/ -cvf packed.tar subdir1 subdir2 .. ? |
| 16:39.46 | carl-m | I am having difficulty getting openoffice to reun from a chroot, although it worked fine last time I tried it. Something must have changed in the meantime |
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| 16:39.56 | alexIdoia | hi me again about my CPU overheating, I have just started my laptop the CPU temp is already 66 degree C |
| 16:40.07 | stew | poncha: ${#varname[@]} |
| 16:40.08 | Gathond | should work, if you want to add the content of subdir1 and 2 to the archive |
| 16:40.31 | carl-m | When I run LANG="C" DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0 oowriter |
| 16:40.45 | carl-m | I get an error about the locale |
| 16:40.48 | carl-m | and then /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin X11 error: Can't open display: 127.0.0.1:0 |
| 16:41.04 | carl-m | But I turned off access control with xhost + to test it |
| 16:41.08 | carl-m | Any ideas? |
| 16:41.12 | alexIdoia | Maybe I have a HW disfunction, but my question is: is it possible that either a HD failure can cause a CPU to heat or a non well configured system |
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| 16:41.23 | poncha | steve: thanks... oops looks like my original assignment is bad too ;) in fact i am creating an array with one element that has many words.. |
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| 16:42.03 | poncha | steve: i've tried declare -a files=$(ls -1 dirname) ... which is obviousely wrong |
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| 16:42.50 | poncha | steve: how would i make it right? |
| 16:43.11 | poncha | err actually how would you make it right :) cause i'm making it wrong :))) |
| 16:44.36 | muszek | hi... I want DHCP server on my router give the same IP to my sister's laptop no matter if she's using wired or wireless connection. It refuses to assign one IP to two different MACs, so the question is: is it ok to assign the same MAC to two different devices (lan card and wi-fi card) in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 16:45.02 | poncha | steve: ok, found what i misse in manual :) thanks again |
| 16:45.07 | xand | muszek: why don't you just set a static IP address? |
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| 16:45.23 | xand | although, that's not a good idea |
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| 16:45.56 | stew | poncha: IFS=$'\n' file=($(ls)) |
| 16:45.57 | muszek | xand: DHCP is convinient... she's not geeky and I don't want her to have troubles every time she goes somewhere with her laptop |
| 16:46.18 | rocketmagnet | Gathond: thanks for you help |
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| 16:47.30 | xand | muszek: anyway, things like udev use the mac address to identify the card, so i wouldnt do it |
| 16:47.47 | muszek | xand: thanks, that's the answer I needed :) |
| 16:48.05 | adv0cate | thanks to the fellow yesterday who suggested netselect-apt to fix my apt-get upgrade problem. it works perfectly. |
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| 16:49.43 | nir | anyone knows? I put 4GB in my PC, and it sees only 3200MB |
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| 16:50.08 | mmlj4 | motherboard limitation, probablu |
| 16:50.09 | mmlj4 | y |
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| 16:51.04 | pb_werkin | that's a limitation of 32-bit architecture. |
| 16:51.11 | nir | mmlj4, the mobo write 896MB appropriated |
| 16:51.29 | h3sp4wn | nir: use the amd64 version or the bigmem kernel |
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| 16:51.42 | capiira | hmm when i check packages status on the debian page, sometimes its writen package is not in testing because not avaiable for a platform like mips. why they dont let packages that is complete/no errors on a specified platform enter testing? |
| 16:51.43 | fungo | muszek if they are on different networks, np |
| 16:51.45 | diego_r | I've just bought an USB CF/MMC/etc card reader. If I plug it in, it gets detected at boot up as /dev/sda, masking my primary SCSI hard disk and rendering my computer unbootable. What can I do? |
| 16:51.46 | nir | pb_werkin, so it will not help to put a 64bit os? |
| 16:52.03 | pb_werkin | if it's not a 64-bit system, then no. |
| 16:52.18 | stew | nir: what cpu do you have? |
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| 16:52.43 | nir | stew, PD930 |
| 16:53.06 | stew | never heard of it |
| 16:53.14 | capiira | kinda senseless not to let i386 people update to a newer version of a software because there is no package for mips, etc |
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| 16:54.13 | pb_werkin | is that the model of the computer? that doesn't say much about what the CPU is. |
| 16:54.21 | nir | steve, Pentium D 930 |
| 16:54.27 | nir | stew, Pentium D 930 |
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| 16:55.08 | stew | nir: then you can use a amd64 kernel on it which will see all of your memory. it doesn't matter if you run a 32bit or a 64bit os |
| 16:55.11 | jetscreamer | what you say? |
| 16:55.25 | xand | capiira: it would be confusing if different architectures had different versions |
| 16:55.35 | jetscreamer | if you use nvidia it might btw |
| 16:55.38 | capiira | hmmm |
| 16:55.39 | jetscreamer | but that's another story |
| 16:55.42 | stew | capiira: its not senseless to try to keep testing in a releasable state, if you want to use the version that is in unstable, then use it |
| 16:55.47 | jetscreamer | as far as the driver goes |
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| 16:56.00 | ogeidix | hi |
| 16:56.01 | nir | stew, do I need to do extra stuff beside installing the new kernel? |
| 16:56.12 | capiira | from that point of view its right yeah |
| 16:56.13 | stew | nir: no |
| 16:56.28 | nir | stew, ok, I'll upgrade the kernel then |
| 16:56.33 | ogeidix | why /etc/bash.bashrc is not executed when i logon as root ? |
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| 16:57.59 | capiira | is there a way to let apt upgrade unstable packages like i386 that cant join testing because of a missing architecture? |
| 16:58.25 | jetscreamer | you do know you can just run 32bit kernel & os eh |
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| 16:58.31 | capiira | i mean upgrade to unstable packages |
| 16:58.45 | jetscreamer | !apt-pinning |
| 16:58.45 | dpkg | [apt-pinning] read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 16:58.51 | stew | capiira: /msg dpkg quick lenny/sid mix |
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| 16:59.08 | chops | Rawplayer: Just cp -a should work fine (sorry, was at lunch) |
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| 16:59.18 | muszek | fungo: they're on the same network, but they're not connected simultaneously (spelling?). it's either wi-fi or wire. |
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| 16:59.30 | capiira | yeah i know about pinning but does apt check for approved testing packages? |
| 16:59.44 | muszek | fungo: it's only important because I want to redirect some ports to her computer, so she can steal music and movies faster |
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| 17:00.24 | stew | capiira: if your default release is testing it will install testing packages unless either a package is only available from sid, or unless you specificly request a sid version |
| 17:00.32 | muszek | and if she has different IPs all the time, then half the time ports are redirected to a wrong IP |
| 17:00.38 | stew | capiira: what is an "approved testing package" ? |
| 17:01.27 | capiira | when the package status says "cant join testing because architecture mips is missing" |
| 17:01.31 | alvin_lee | Hi. I installed debian without Xorg. But now i want to use it. What i must to install to have X11 complete? I will use twm to Window manager and xdm. |
| 17:01.35 | capiira | but i386 is ok |
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| 17:01.51 | capiira | and no release critical erros |
| 17:01.54 | capiira | r |
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| 17:02.12 | stew | capiira: no, apt has no way of checking such a thing |
| 17:02.20 | capiira | that would be cool |
| 17:02.36 | capiira | how to propose feature for apt? |
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| 17:03.20 | ssorg | hi i was wondering i cant seem to locate bootstrap.deb for amd64 in this dir http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/ |
| 17:03.21 | capiira | a simple flag would be nice so apt know if i386 is testing qualified but mips is not and then update is its i386 from unstable |
| 17:03.25 | ssorg | i only see a udeb |
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| 17:04.03 | stew | capiira: a flag where? |
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| 17:04.47 | capiira | dunno just a way to mark an architecture for testing ready so apt know that its ready |
| 17:05.17 | stew | capiira: this would not be at all easy to calculate. it has to look for the number of bugs in both the testing and unstable versions, it has to check all of the release manager hint files and possibly do this recursively for the package dependencies |
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| 17:07.02 | eddie__ | hello i used apt-mirror to mirror a debain mirror localy. |
| 17:07.17 | capiira | i mean before they release a package to testing, htey check like package xyz.deb architecture i386= ok i486=ok mips=notOk |
| 17:07.32 | eddie__ | I am doing a network install its telling me that Bad archive mirror |
| 17:07.35 | tarzeau | how can i count the dots in a string? i've come up with this very ugly zero-thinking thing: uname -r | sed "s,\.,\n,g" | wc -l | awk '{print $1-1}' (i'm so sure it's possible in a much easier and elegant way) |
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| 17:08.25 | JarJarBinks | is there a non-root version of /etc/hosts (I'd like to add a few abbreviations, but I don't have root access on the machine) |
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| 17:08.44 | capiira | then they dont release the whole package for all platforms at all but with a extra option in apt this would be possible |
| 17:09.10 | capiira | a extra pinning feature maybe |
| 17:09.25 | chops | tarzeau: uname -r | perl -e 'print scalar(grep { $_ eq '.' } split(//, join('', <>)));' maybe? |
| 17:09.36 | tarzeau | chops: ok that's not nicer :) |
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| 17:10.04 | chops | tarzeau: perl -e is rarely an indication of shell scripting zen in action :-) |
| 17:10.21 | tarzeau | chops: i don't like perl, and mine is shorter |
| 17:10.24 | Gebus | what are the benefits of using debian instead of ubuntu? |
| 17:10.30 | tarzeau | !why_debian |
| 17:10.40 | capiira | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=compiz |
| 17:10.42 | eddie__ | can anyone help me hhere |
| 17:10.44 | capiira | just an example |
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| 17:10.49 | tarzeau | did dpkg forgot about why debian? |
| 17:11.03 | Gebus | !why_debian |
| 17:11.04 | tarzeau | Gebus: http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian |
| 17:11.14 | zinx | !why debian |
| 17:11.14 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ or see <overfiendsphallus> |
| 17:11.14 | capiira | with a build for mips and mipsel compiz would join testing |
| 17:11.19 | zinx | space'd |
| 17:11.27 | Gebus | doesnt show it against ubuntu though |
| 17:11.39 | capiira | if this site can check then apt can do that too |
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| 17:11.58 | zinx | dpkg: why debian =~ s/ or see <overfiendsphallus>// |
| 17:11.58 | dpkg | zinx: OK |
| 17:12.01 | capiira | from the technical point of view |
| 17:12.02 | JarJarBinks | expr `uname -r | sed 's/[^.]//g' | wc -m ` - 1 |
| 17:12.04 | zinx | f'n tards |
| 17:12.22 | aadil | debian users get invited to parties, ubuntu users dont |
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| 17:12.30 | aadil | no wait, isnt that the other way round? |
| 17:12.32 | aadil | ;3 |
| 17:12.48 | olliwolli | is there a program which fakes the current working directory? |
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| 17:13.13 | JarJarBinks | olliwolli: chroor |
| 17:13.16 | JarJarBinks | chroot |
| 17:13.30 | olliwolli | chroot is only for root users is there something for a normal user? |
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| 17:14.13 | JarJarBinks | olliwolli: chroot isn't for root users only iiuc |
| 17:14.22 | stew | capiira: that site doesn't check everything and doesn't correctly check the things it does check |
| 17:14.22 | JarJarBinks | it fakes the root dir though |
| 17:14.50 | olliwolli | i get operation not permitted if i run it as normal user |
| 17:15.06 | JarJarBinks | you have to have access to the files needed |
| 17:15.21 | olliwolli | well i do |
| 17:15.26 | stew | well, hmm, its probably just checking the excuses file |
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| 17:16.22 | capiira | stew: hmm but how they check if a package for all architectures is ok for testing they must have a list or a way to mark an ready architecture? |
| 17:16.51 | capiira | by setting an option like i386=true |
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| 17:17.13 | capiira | mips=false |
| 17:17.16 | capiira | etc. |
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| 17:18.47 | stew | capiira: yeah, i guess there is the excuses file: http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/update_output.txt |
| 17:18.52 | g0rd0n | when trying to compile a kernel (with make-kpkg), i get this error: "I note you are using a hyphen in the revision number." what does hyphen mean? |
| 17:19.11 | g0rd0n | my --revision is 2.6.21.6-fonzie |
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| 17:19.23 | chops | g0rd0n: The "-" character |
| 17:19.33 | g0rd0n | oh... |
| 17:19.40 | chops | g0rd0n: I like to use "+" myself |
| 17:19.57 | capiira | stew: yeah apts pinning feature could be extended to check that file |
| 17:20.40 | capiira | and if the whole package for a specified architecture is testing ready then upgrade |
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| 17:21.13 | capiira | of course just as a pinning feature to keep it release qualified |
| 17:21.24 | capiira | as you said before |
| 17:21.26 | piztek | can't round corners be disabled for the window border? |
| 17:21.56 | capiira | i wonder if there is a way to talk to apt developers |
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| 17:22.55 | foutrelis | Hello. :) |
| 17:23.48 | capiira | this would be a nice usefull feature and sure not so difficult to develop |
| 17:23.49 | stew | capiira: i think it would be difficult |
| 17:23.49 | stew | capiira: but the way to ask would be via a wishlist bug |
| 17:24.09 | capiira | good idea :) |
| 17:24.20 | capiira | thank you i will try with my broken english |
| 17:24.23 | capiira | hehe |
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| 17:25.18 | stew | capiira: i'm not even sure if this file has the info needed to do what you want to do |
| 17:25.29 | slack101 | any way i can run 2 ssh servers on different ports ? |
| 17:25.34 | stew | capiira: actually no, it doesn't |
| 17:25.36 | eddie__ | has anyone here used APT-MIRROR? |
| 17:25.45 | stew | capiira: becuase it doesn't even show up in this file until it is available on all arches |
| 17:25.46 | capiira | but how the site check ? |
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| 17:25.50 | chops | slack101: Yes, use two difference sshd config files |
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| 17:25.58 | chops | *different |
| 17:26.02 | eddie__ | no one? |
| 17:26.11 | capiira | +does |
| 17:26.12 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 17:26.12 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 17:26.12 | toraton | Hi there! Anyone know where I can find information on doing an unattended debian installation? |
| 17:26.24 | chops | slack101: I've done it once by copying /etc/init.d/ssh to /etc/init.d/ssh-port2222 or whatever, and adding the argument to use a nonstandard config file. |
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| 17:26.37 | Supaplex | toraton: preeseeding |
| 17:26.39 | slack101 | ah |
| 17:26.44 | Supaplex | s/ee/e/ |
| 17:27.24 | chops | slack101: Be careful with your pid files |
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| 17:27.26 | toraton | Supaplex, thanks! |
| 17:27.34 | slack101 | chops, huh ? |
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| 17:27.54 | piztek | I updated and xserver won't start now |
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| 17:28.11 | chops | Be sure to ensure that the two servers write two different pid files, or /etc/init.d/ssh stop will interfere with the nonstandard-port server and vice versa |
| 17:28.36 | Supaplex | one server can support multiple ports |
| 17:28.41 | slack101 | anyway io can tweak the other sshd server so it runs on a certain user and only has certain things it cna do ? like possible just use 1 program ? |
| 17:28.46 | stew | slack101: why do you need 2 different ssh servers instead of one ssh server that listens to multiple ports? |
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| 17:28.55 | slack101 | ^^ |
| 17:29.05 | stew | slack101: why not limit that user via authorized_keys ? |
| 17:29.17 | Supaplex | or rbash |
| 17:29.43 | slack101 | i havent looked into it |
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| 17:29.51 | slack101 | i just thought 2 ssh servers would be easiest way |
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| 17:30.30 | piztek | no screen found!, how can I fix this/ |
| 17:30.34 | Supaplex | slack101: what advantage would there be with the user having their own sshd? seems strage. |
| 17:30.35 | slack101 | most likely i could get it down where i want a ssh server to listen on a pscific port ..........one run oin a certain user not root like the mian ssh server .......access only a few dir's and be able to execute 1 command |
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| 17:30.55 | legind | hello, I use wireless as my primary internet device on my debian machine, but I also have a crossover cable going to another computer. every time I boot up the non-debian machine, debian recognizes the eth0 connection and no longer recognizes my wifi internet. can anyone help? |
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| 17:30.58 | chops | slack101: I think they're right that you should do that by restricting the user in question, not reconfiguring the server |
| 17:31.24 | psycodad_ | slack101: i guess your approach wont work like that |
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| 17:31.33 | stew | slack101: if you want a user to only be allowed to execute one command, do it via authorized_keys assuming that you can limit them to login via keys |
| 17:31.43 | chops | slack101: You probably only want to run two different servers if you are filtering the ports differently somehow |
| 17:31.46 | piztek | can anyone help? why won't xserver recognize the screen after an update? |
| 17:31.56 | Supaplex | rbash + /etc/profile |
| 17:32.15 | Supaplex | piztek: which release? sarge? etch? lenny? sid? |
| 17:32.20 | piztek | lenny |
| 17:32.23 | valdyn | !noscreensfound |
| 17:32.23 | dpkg | i guess noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your xorg log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
| 17:32.35 | Supaplex | !tell piztek -about bts |
| 17:32.45 | Supaplex | !tell piztek -about testing |
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| 17:33.20 | piztek | i'll try to reconfigure |
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| 17:34.19 | slack101 | ok heres what i am doing, i am building a web ui for Linux Vserver to control servers etc, this needs a daemon what i need the daemon to do is simply let the web ui login execute commands get output eetc , why should i write a daemon when i have SSH to do this .......so i will use my wbe program ot connect to the ssh server and execute commands and get output BUT i ddint want to use the root ssh server.........i was hopiung it owu |
| 17:34.19 | slack101 | ld be secondary just casue i really dont want to have any mix ups , like i said i only want the web gui to be able to sen d commands dealing with linux vserver and to be able to read iptables thats it |
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| 17:34.43 | legind | Hello, I'm using Debian Etch with a wifi connection as my primary internet device, but I also use a crossover cable for direct connection to another machine. Every time I connect to the wifi, and then boot up the other machine, when the wired connection is recognized, the wifi internet stops working. any suggestions? |
| 17:34.48 | Supaplex | !tell slack101 -about sudo |
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| 17:35.08 | slack101 | i know about sudo |
| 17:35.17 | slack101 | someone just tell me what is the best way to go about this please |
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| 17:35.34 | slack101 | it would be pointless to make a daemon if SSH gives me everything i nee |
| 17:35.38 | Supaplex | slack101: I believe it's sudo. |
| 17:35.39 | stew | slack101: google for authorized_keys and command= option |
| 17:35.50 | stew | no, sudo won't do what he wants |
| 17:36.03 | Supaplex | if it's already running on the local.. but isn't root going to be running iptables? |
| 17:36.04 | psycodad_ | slack101: sudo lets you restrict your user pretty nice and whenever root is needed you don't need any thing special. I'd go for sudo. |
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| 17:36.06 | slack101 | i mena is it safe running this on the ssh server as well as using the ssh server all the root one for the server ? |
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| 17:36.21 | Supaplex | ssh would only make sence if it's configured remotely |
| 17:36.42 | Supaplex | if the webui is on the same box, why bother. what if ssh is down? |
| 17:37.08 | slack101 | what? |
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| 17:38.40 | abrotman | !tell RLa_ about root |
| 17:39.03 | ampex | slack101: openvz > vserver |
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| 17:41.19 | piztek | dpkg-reconfigure worked |
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| 17:43.34 | piztek | what can be done about updates that are being held back? |
| 17:43.56 | slack101 | ampex, and your are wrong |
| 17:44.05 | slack101 | openvz uses network stack virtulization |
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| 17:46.00 | hark | piztek: /msg dpkg held back |
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| 17:46.25 | s3w | buenas alguno tiene el ccna? |
| 17:46.40 | azeem | !es |
| 17:46.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:46.46 | s3w | ok |
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| 17:50.40 | bwlang | I'd like to make a gnome icon that executes a little java script to start a mini browser window... ideally one that minimized to the notification area... is there some applet to help me with that (like bubbles on windows?) |
| 17:51.02 | abrotman | bwlang: you might want to ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
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| 17:51.54 | legind | how do I stop my default gateway device from being changed from wifi to wired every time a wired connection is established? |
| 17:52.13 | ghatak_mobile | Hi, i am having trouble in mounting and ISO file. i have tried mount -t iso9660 -o loop file.iso /mnt but i get the error mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, |
| 17:52.19 | h3sp4wn | legind: don't use network manager |
| 17:52.35 | ghatak_mobile | I just tried the same stuff on Windows and it did not mounted on a virtual CD |
| 17:52.36 | legind | h3sp4wn, what do I use |
| 17:53.08 | h3sp4wn | legind: /etc/network/interfaces or just set up any connection manually |
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| 17:53.52 | legind | h3sp4wn, the thing is, debian automatically overrides the wireless connection, even when I don't open network manager |
| 17:54.12 | h3sp4wn | legind: doesn't for me |
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| 17:54.30 | legind | h3sp4wn, it does by default in etch |
| 17:54.39 | h3sp4wn | legind: Not true |
| 17:54.51 | hark | ghatak_mobile: file file.iso |
| 17:55.02 | h3sp4wn | legind: networkmanager is the only thing that does that |
| 17:55.05 | legind | h3sp4wn, from a clean install, it does for me |
| 17:55.12 | QliXed | Hi!, how i can tell to debian (with dpkg-reconfigure) that the HW clock is set to local time nor to UTC time |
| 17:55.13 | QliXed | ¡?? |
| 17:55.31 | azeem | QliXed: edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 17:55.50 | ghatak_mobile | hark: DTSP.iso: data |
| 17:55.53 | ghatak_mobile | interesting |
| 17:56.01 | tralala | QliXed, tzconfig I think |
| 17:56.03 | QliXed | Yes, but not exist a dpkg way? |
| 17:56.06 | ghatak_mobile | hark: what do i do now :) |
| 17:56.08 | legind | h3sp4wn, is there a way to disable the network manager daemon from changing the default gateway, or disabling it completeley |
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| 17:57.04 | h3sp4wn | legind: just purge it - aptitude purge network~nmanager~i |
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| 17:58.11 | Plouj | hi |
| 17:58.43 | Plouj | is there a package that can install everything I need to create a cluster-linux server to power a network of bootable cluster machines? |
| 17:58.45 | legind | h3sp4wn, ok thanks i'll try that |
| 17:59.03 | Plouj | something like cluster-knoppix hdd install but without disturbing my other software on the server |
| 17:59.33 | QliXed | tralala: not, :( i try dpkg-recofigure tzconfig and nothing :( |
| 18:00.05 | Supaplex | Plouj: that's a lot of variants to account for... |
| 18:00.27 | Plouj | variants of what? |
| 18:00.28 | hark | QliXed: man rcS.. /UTC |
| 18:00.52 | tralala | quad3d_, I didn't mean that but tzconfig is not helping anyway |
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| 18:01.03 | Supaplex | Plouj: machines, how to install, what to avoid, what to use. are these all configured the same? |
| 18:01.22 | Plouj | the cluster machines don't have and don't need anything installed |
| 18:01.32 | tralala | QliXed, ^^ |
| 18:01.37 | Plouj | the cluster machines should boot from the network via PXE |
| 18:01.57 | cnet2 | hi, anyone got tips on how to make apache2 and tomcat5 to work.. the apxs2 compiling (make) gives me errors |
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| 18:02.36 | Supaplex | Plouj: debian-live has pxe support |
| 18:03.00 | h3sp4wn | legind: You can read - man wireless / zless /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz / man interfaces also |
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| 18:05.29 | hark | cnet2: why compile apxs2, apache2-threaded-dev provides it |
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| 18:08.50 | DawnLight | what is a very light text editor for X? |
| 18:08.53 | stew | anyone know if there is somewhere in proc that i can get bytes in/out per tcp connection? |
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| 18:09.59 | darth_bad | alguem da lista..ja implementou qmail +mysql no debian |
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| 18:11.09 | chops | stew: You know about jnettop, right? |
| 18:11.16 | dkr | stew: iptraf, :) |
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| 18:12.10 | stew | yes, i need something not ncurses based |
| 18:12.28 | tralala | I don't think the kernel would keep something like that |
| 18:12.41 | stew | tralala: if it doesn't, how is iptraf able to display it |
| 18:12.59 | tralala | stew, by counting it from the moment it is started |
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| 18:13.30 | tralala | I know that the kernel keeps stats per netfilter line/chain, but I don't think that's what you want |
| 18:14.11 | stew | tralala: counting how is my question, i guess |
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| 18:14.47 | dkr | by looking at each packet header, figuring out which connection it is for, and incrementing a counter |
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| 18:15.28 | dkr | iptraf doesn't show totals for existing connections when it starts, just adds as packets come through |
| 18:15.40 | tralala | I don't know, but I can imagine two approaches - sniffing the interface and calculating (the hard one) or wrinting a socker wrapper that will do the counting (the easier one). |
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| 18:15.50 | stew | it doesn't sniff |
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| 18:16.02 | cnet2 | hark: but i need to compile the connector and it gives some libtool error |
| 18:16.03 | cnet2 | >S |
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| 18:16.06 | stew | bah, it is doing packet inspection |
| 18:16.22 | cnet2 | i had work arround it before.. but don-t remember how now :S |
| 18:16.24 | tralala | that's what I meant by sniffing |
| 18:16.43 | tralala | and this must be hard I imagine |
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| 18:17.21 | tralala | actually I don't see how you can do packet inspection without sniffing |
| 18:17.24 | rhalff | what do I have to do to get aliased fonts in gnome ? this system was installed very bare before. |
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| 18:18.12 | kingsley | stew: Do you happen to know whether module-assistant is smart enough to notice a change to almost any of alsa's source code files, and then recompile accordingly? (I want to enable alsa's debugging.) |
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| 18:18.30 | Kobaz | hmm, anyone know what package provides the library i need to do a gcc -ly |
| 18:18.45 | Kobaz | i can't find any lex/yacc library packages |
| 18:19.05 | stew | kingsley: in general, if you want -lfoo, you are looking for a package named "libfoo*-dev" |
| 18:19.18 | stew | kingsley: i don't know |
| 18:19.23 | Kobaz | yeah i know |
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| 18:19.31 | Kobaz | and i'm not kingsley :P |
| 18:19.58 | stew | Kobaz: so 'apt-cache search -n liby dev' should turn up liby-dev or liby0-dev or something |
| 18:20.04 | Kobaz | yeap, you would think |
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| 18:20.15 | stew | !info liby-dev |
| 18:20.19 | dpkg | liby-dev: (Y Sound Server Library Header Files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.14.5-2.2 (sid), Packaged size: 96 kB, Installed size: 384 kB |
| 18:20.42 | tralala | not quite yacc related |
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| 18:21.30 | logd | hi, some1 've been successful using bootsplash ? |
| 18:21.32 | stew | oh, debian doesn't distribute yacc / lex |
| 18:21.55 | tralala | oh, why is that? legal stuff? |
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| 18:22.09 | Kobaz | tralala: heh |
| 18:22.18 | wols_ | tralala: flex/bison |
| 18:22.23 | Kobaz | stew: yeah |
| 18:22.26 | Kobaz | stew: i noticed |
| 18:22.35 | osmosis | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main does this mean I am not running stable ? |
| 18:22.43 | stew | Kobaz: there is bison and flex instead |
| 18:22.47 | tralala | wols_, hmm I see |
| 18:22.48 | osmosis | how do I switch to stable. |
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| 18:22.54 | wols_ | osmosis: probably. dpkg -l libc6|grep tail -1 |
| 18:23.04 | wols_ | osmosis: it might mean a downgrade which is not supported |
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| 18:23.26 | stew | osmosis: what version are you running now? |
| 18:23.38 | osmosis | wols_: 2.3.2.ds1-21 this box hasnt been apt-get upgraded in a long time. |
| 18:23.52 | osmosis | I just took over the box, looks like someone was using 'testing' |
| 18:23.57 | osmosis | i need to get the box stable. |
| 18:23.59 | stew | osmosis: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 18:24.04 | wols_ | osmosis: then change "testing" to "stable", aptitude update and dist-upgrade |
| 18:24.18 | stew | osmosis: no, don't do what wols_ said, read the release notes |
| 18:24.20 | wols_ | stew: is his libc6 sarge? |
| 18:24.23 | osmosis | wols_: do I have to dist-upgrade? i really dont want to break anything. |
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| 18:24.31 | stew | wols_: almost |
| 18:24.55 | osmosis | i just want to get off testing. i dont care if I am on sarge or etch. |
| 18:25.01 | tralala | osmosis, you have to read the release notes firstly |
| 18:25.14 | osmosis | ok |
| 18:25.16 | stew | osmosis: then replace testing with sarge, and update/upgrade and you should be on sarge |
| 18:25.30 | stew | osmosis: at some point you should consider upgrading to etch. /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 18:26.02 | stew | osmosis: however you should also add a security line: "deb http://security.debian.org sarge/updates main" |
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| 18:26.42 | philips | Is there a Debian install CD that will grab IP over DHCP, start ssh and allow you to install on an x86 box w/o keyboard, mouse, monitor? |
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| 18:26.47 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know whether module-assistant routinely reads the kernel's config file, ".config"? |
| 18:26.48 | darrh00 | I have installed eclipse-gcj,but when I start eclipse,it still launches from jvm,isn't eclipse-gcj of debian natively built or independent of sun's jvm? |
| 18:26.54 | slack101 | damn these europeans man |
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| 18:27.30 | slack101 | im pulling my business out of the UK |
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| 18:29.21 | tralala | slack101, that's right man! Show us where we belong! |
| 18:29.22 | Supaplex | kingsley: you could check the source, or use strace -e open -o log -- perl m-a to find out. |
| 18:29.28 | osmosis | stew: yah, i have the security line. |
| 18:29.43 | slack101 | tralala, 57 percent taxes man |
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| 18:29.57 | slack101 | that is complete robbery |
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| 18:30.13 | Supaplex | slack101: 57% taxes? let's start a new country with our own laws! |
| 18:30.17 | slack101 | becasue i am a foregin business not a resident, dont do this dont do that |
| 18:30.32 | blizzow | 16.94.144.52 |
| 18:30.33 | slack101 | if i kept my business in the UK i would make no money |
| 18:30.37 | Supaplex | my bad. |
| 18:31.08 | slack101 | and they will let me compensate for very little i might be able to get it down to 50 |
| 18:31.41 | slack101 | so im paying them thousands of dollars so they cna install cctv cameras with more speakers to make it another page of 1984 ? i dont think so |
| 18:31.42 | Supaplex | what do they define as foregin business? |
| 18:32.00 | h3sp4wn | slack101: wtf is this to do with Debian |
| 18:32.04 | slack101 | sorry |
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| 18:32.06 | slack101 | :P |
| 18:32.11 | slack101 | just a little disaapointed |
| 18:32.17 | slack101 | typo* |
| 18:32.18 | Supaplex | only a little |
| 18:32.39 | slack101 | and people want to make the usa like europe f* that |
| 18:32.49 | Supaplex | hell no I don't |
| 18:32.52 | slack101 | my taxes for my business are like 20 percent |
| 18:33.07 | slack101 | and with buying bonds and this and that i can get it lower |
| 18:33.07 | tralala | slack101, well taxes could get improvement. I'd try Ireland if I were you. |
| 18:33.08 | logd | hi, some1 've been successful using bootsplash ? |
| 18:33.41 | slack101 | its not really UK vs Ireland its just how thier political systme is setup |
| 18:33.50 | slack101 | a business owner has a hard way to succeed |
| 18:34.03 | Supaplex | logd: I don't even remember what my boot screen looks like. why waste resources and effort on that? :) |
| 18:34.19 | logd | :) |
| 18:34.28 | tralala | slack101, you have to realize that Europe is not US and UK is not Europe. |
| 18:34.37 | slack101 | UK is not europe ? |
| 18:34.54 | slack101 | ive been looking spain UK have about the same taxes and france is a tad higher |
| 18:35.08 | inFw | UK is europe. :| |
| 18:35.12 | tralala | look Ireland |
| 18:35.14 | Supaplex | slack101: hahaha. china is not asia? haha |
| 18:35.24 | slack101 | lol |
| 18:35.35 | tralala | It has the lowest taxes and the most business friendly environment in Europe. |
| 18:35.37 | streuner | go to germany, you have to pay almost nothing :-) |
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| 18:35.53 | slack101 | i saw some a thing on UK the other day 4.2 million cameras and over 1 million speakers attached to these things |
| 18:36.09 | slack101 | good tax dollars going toward this |
| 18:36.16 | streuner | well, "big brother" watching YOU |
| 18:36.22 | slack101 | and london is filled with homeless |
| 18:36.34 | slack101 | UK is covered inch to inch |
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| 18:37.14 | slack101 | and if you do something wrong a speaker will come on and a guy will tell you what to do lol you have got to be kidding me |
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| 18:38.28 | tralala | ok, back to debian now |
| 18:38.41 | slack101 | blah |
| 18:38.47 | slack101 | im pissed |
| 18:38.50 | tralala | I think we've pretty much pointed to the downsides of EU and UK |
| 18:39.00 | slack101 | not even |
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| 18:39.29 | slack101 | i used to like europe becasue from an american point of view its utopia .......oh man its great government healthcare everyone takes care of everyone |
| 18:39.46 | slack101 | but as i have found out that is not the case |
| 18:40.25 | Supaplex | but the grass is always greener on the other side |
| 18:40.41 | tralala | slack101, it simply has a different set of tradeoffs |
| 18:40.53 | slack101 | i agree |
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| 18:41.10 | abrotman | slack101: try #politics |
| 18:41.26 | slack101 | 27 million people in the usa dont have healthcare thats less then 10 percent and 4 of those 10 have medicaid aka government healthcare but its a disgrace to have that |
| 18:41.28 | abrotman | slack101: try #politics |
| 18:41.29 | slack101 | yea i know |
| 18:41.31 | slack101 | i know |
| 18:41.34 | slack101 | sorry |
| 18:41.37 | abrotman | thank you! :) |
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| 18:43.04 | abrotman | slack101: it's not personal .. it just usually spirals out of control and then ops have to ban people .. there's crying .. and rioting .. and cake |
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| 18:43.25 | tralala | I want cake! |
| 18:43.42 | Supaplex | cake > spice girls |
| 18:43.46 | tralala | I'm crying for cake!!! |
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| 18:44.05 | Supaplex | !pancake tralala |
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| 18:44.12 | abrotman | i want a girl with a short skirt and a long jacket |
| 18:44.26 | ruben | Hi, using xterm, what is the way to copi the 'scroll up' lines without using a mouse? |
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| 18:44.34 | sohmestra | I want one with fingernails that shine like justice! |
| 18:44.52 | tralala | abrotman, you might want to reconsider that - she'll drag you into life |
| 18:44.54 | Supaplex | ruben: use script(1) before hand? |
| 18:45.11 | ruben | Supaplex: what? |
| 18:45.14 | chops | ruben: It uses the mouse, yes, but do you know the left-click/right-click trick to select large blocks of text from xterm? |
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| 18:45.29 | ruben | chops: nope :( |
| 18:45.53 | ruben | chops: but, how to do it without a mouse? |
| 18:45.58 | Supaplex | script (1) - make typescript of terminal session |
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| 18:46.29 | Supaplex | do you have a mouse? |
| 18:46.40 | ruben | nope |
| 18:46.41 | chops | ruben: You can left-click at the top of a block of text, scroll to your heart's content, and right-click at the bottom of the text, and it'll all be selected. It's a lot easier than dragging to select a large block of text |
| 18:46.53 | chops | ruben: X without a mouse is not an easy thing to use |
| 18:47.09 | ruben | chops: your way is with or without mouse? |
| 18:47.17 | tralala | ruben, shift+numlock will make your keypad a mouse |
| 18:47.23 | chops | ruben: With a mouse |
| 18:47.25 | chops | ruben: Sorry |
| 18:47.30 | Supaplex | ruben: the click part didn't give it away? |
| 18:47.42 | blizzow | isn't it ctrl - alt - numlock? |
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| 18:47.52 | tralala | it's not |
| 18:48.25 | Supaplex | if I had a spare mouse, I'd send you one |
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| 18:49.09 | abrotman | ruben: can't you just rerun the command and redirect the output ? |
| 18:49.45 | Supaplex | the terminal text is in /dev/vcs* isn't it? |
| 18:50.31 | Supaplex | but that's only if it's on screen or something. |
| 18:50.32 | maxamillion | if i use a static ip for my net install and then take the computer to a dhcp environment is there any easy tool like the one in the debian installer i can use to set this or am i stuck trudging around config files? (non-gnome, non-kde) |
| 18:50.43 | abrotman | Supaplex: sure .. root readable |
| 18:51.01 | Supaplex | maxamillion: man 5 interfaces isn't all that complicated. (it can be) |
| 18:51.15 | xand | maxamillion: you could write a script to swap interfaces files or something maybe |
| 18:51.27 | tralala | maxamillion, there are some net config tools but interfaces is probably your best bet |
| 18:51.31 | Supaplex | interfaces has roaming support |
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| 18:51.44 | Supaplex | I've not played with that feature yet |
| 18:52.07 | Supaplex | I usually rename eth0 to eth0bleh and uncomment the eth0 dhcp line. |
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| 18:53.09 | JoKo | Hi... I've recently upgraded my Debian server and I have trouble with the the MySQL extension of PHP5... Could anyone help me? |
| 18:53.14 | ejholmgren | does anyone know where the mysql-devel package went in etch? |
| 18:53.16 | abrotman | define trouble |
| 18:53.24 | tralala | you could use aliases for the different environments |
| 18:53.34 | JoKo | abrotman, something like that: PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/local/lib/php/mysql.so' - /usr/local/lib/php/mysql.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
| 18:53.42 | MatBoy | someone already tried the latest Skype Beta ? I see some CPU usage when I have the screens of skype open |
| 18:53.45 | abrotman | ejholmgren: apt-cache search mysql dev |
| 18:53.54 | abrotman | JoKo: debian doesn't put stuff in /usr/local/ |
| 18:54.02 | abrotman | MatBoy: #skype ? |
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| 18:54.20 | MatBoy | abrotman, yeah it's on Debian so I will ask there too |
| 18:54.30 | MatBoy | but skype needed some GUI thing extra |
| 18:54.34 | JoKo | abrotman, you are right... |
| 18:54.35 | MatBoy | to install in Debian |
| 18:54.50 | tralala | on debian != in debian |
| 18:54.58 | abrotman | MatBoy: it's on debian ... it's not something released by debian |
| 18:55.29 | MatBoy | yeah, indeed true, but better have 2 information lines than one |
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| 18:56.37 | Securi | Hi |
| 18:57.16 | ejholmgren | abrotman: tried that before ... must have been hiding, "libmysqlclient15-dev" |
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| 19:00.10 | Adriano | hello all, I'm looking for the package that contains info pages about shell commands, like sort and uniq |
| 19:00.27 | Adriano | and if it is coreutils-doc, it's not showing in my apt |
| 19:00.40 | grendal_prime | nvidia on etch? |
| 19:00.56 | wols_ | Adriano: probably in non-free due to fdl |
| 19:00.57 | grendal_prime | got the hp pavillion 6000 here cant get x working on it. |
| 19:01.00 | Adriano | oh |
| 19:01.08 | Adriano | I'll check that |
| 19:01.15 | wols_ | grendal_prime: what chip? |
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| 19:03.22 | techjim | Hey guys. I'm using gentoo. I'm going to emerge (install) dpkg so I can install the debian iceweasel browser. Will the thing run fine on ppc? |
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| 19:03.50 | wols_ | techjim: we don't know. we don't do gentoo tech support. ask #gentoo |
| 19:03.57 | abrotman | techjim: wouldn't it be easier to get the source package ? |
| 19:04.15 | chops | techjim: I hesitate to attempt to support gentoo, but... don't they have a firefox package of their own? |
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| 19:04.43 | techjim | wols_ : I understand. I think it's more an issue of whether or not iceweasel will run on ppc |
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| 19:04.56 | abrotman | techjim: yes .. iceweasel is a package on Debian/PPC |
| 19:04.59 | chops | techjim: I don't know about gentoo, but it seems to me that mixing package management schemes like that would be very wrong. |
| 19:05.00 | techjim | abrotman: suppose it would |
| 19:05.00 | wols_ | it unrs on debian for ppc. |
| 19:05.13 | techjim | chops: it's possible. they just become mutually exclusive |
| 19:05.18 | abrotman | techjim: http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/iceweasel |
| 19:05.28 | techjim | thanks abrotman |
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| 19:05.57 | Adriano | I see nothing on nonfree, and thinking about it, I hope the day hasn't come to pass that the gnu documentation is nonfree |
| 19:06.18 | chops | Adriano: A lot of GNU documentation is in non-free, because it has invariant sections. |
| 19:06.34 | wols_ | Adriano: gcc docs are. FDL is non free WRT the DFSG |
| 19:06.44 | Adriano | i'm drawing a blank on the name, then |
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| 19:06.50 | techjim | http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_install_programs_without_portage (if anyone is interested). nonetheless, long live debian |
| 19:06.58 | abrotman | Adriano: documents for what ? |
| 19:07.12 | Adriano | info pages for sort and other shell utils |
| 19:07.17 | maxamillion | Supaplex, tralala, and xand : thanks ... sorry for the delayed response, i am at work and its crazy around here right now |
| 19:07.18 | chops | Adriano: It's not a statement of quality or judgement; it's just that Debian's criteria don't allow nonmodifiable things into main. |
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| 19:07.27 | abrotman | Adriano: i have one .. |
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| 19:07.30 | hark | info coreutils ? |
| 19:07.30 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 19:07.51 | techjim | chops: just for clarification, we do have firefox 2.0.0.4 on ~ppc |
| 19:07.53 | Posterdati | please I've got a problem with xfig: when I print the draw, fonts are bigger than real dimension... |
| 19:07.54 | Adriano | right now, the manpages tell me that "the info page has the complete ref, use 'info sort'" but if I do, I get the manpage |
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| 19:08.14 | abrotman | Adriano: that's how some of them are |
| 19:08.23 | hark | Adriano: "info coreutils" |
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| 19:09.03 | Adriano | oh, thanks |
| 19:09.08 | Adriano | intuitive, this |
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| 19:09.22 | Adriano | I'd fill a bug report, but nah |
| 19:09.22 | buchkurish | i need help! |
| 19:09.32 | buchkurish | i need to knwo that sit that gives u domain like b labla.homelinux.com |
| 19:09.38 | buchkurish | u know? hehe =) |
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| 19:09.44 | abrotman | homelinux.com maybe ? |
| 19:09.44 | buchkurish | iforgot |
| 19:09.46 | abrotman | dyndns.org ? |
| 19:09.48 | buchkurish | no no |
| 19:09.49 | hark | !dyndns |
| 19:09.49 | dpkg | dyndns provides hostnames for dynamic/static ips for free: http://www.dyndns.org/, or apt-get install ddclient |
| 19:09.50 | buchkurish | yes yes yes =) |
| 19:10.02 | abrotman | i'm a star! |
| 19:10.02 | buchkurish | thankkk uu =\) |
| 19:10.05 | buchkurish | yesss |
| 19:10.07 | buchkurish | u are =0 |
| 19:10.07 | Adriano | thanks, people |
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| 19:10.26 | buchkurish | ihihi =) |
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| 19:15.26 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 19:15.33 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 19:15.36 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 19:25.19 | piztek | whenever I use the nvidia driver xserver crashes after updates |
| 19:25.36 | tarzeau | piztek: updates of x parts? |
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| 19:25.44 | tarzeau | piztek: you gotta rebuild the driver, maybe? |
| 19:25.45 | alexIdoia | hi I have a problem on a box I can resolve |
| 19:26.18 | alexIdoia | all services stopped and sshd only log root, the other users gets an SystemBootup in progress -- please wait |
| 19:26.32 | alexIdoia | I have started to restart it but it does do any thing |
| 19:26.51 | alexIdoia | where can I look ? |
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| 19:28.01 | torrr | hi I get '301 Moved Permanently' when trying to download new packages with synaptic |
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| 19:28.44 | torrr | anyone knows ? |
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| 19:30.18 | jelly-home | torrr: sounds like apt's http method doesn't quite support http redirection. you'll probably need to update the deb line for that repository to its new location |
| 19:30.22 | alexIdoia | can someone help me please I really don't know what to do |
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| 19:30.54 | jelly-home | torrr: if you get this on a debian mirror, it should probably be reported... somewhere ;-) |
| 19:31.10 | abrotman_ | alexIdoia: /etc/init.d/rmnologin |
| 19:31.16 | torrr | jelly-home, I don't know the new location :s |
| 19:31.19 | abrotman_ | erm .. with a start |
| 19:31.25 | torrr | Err http://mirror.hamakor.org.il etch/main Packages |
| 19:32.13 | alexIdoia | abrotman_: start ? |
| 19:32.19 | abrotman_ | alexIdoia: /etc/init.d/rmnologin start |
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| 19:32.43 | jelly-home | toraton: try accessing it with a normal browser |
| 19:32.45 | jelly-home | rer |
| 19:32.52 | jelly-home | torrr: try accessing it with a normal browser |
| 19:33.06 | torrr | ok |
| 19:33.14 | alexIdoia | abrotman_: ok done, what is it supposed to do ? |
| 19:33.32 | abrotman_ | now try to login agin |
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| 19:35.25 | alexIdoia | still the same |
| 19:35.40 | alexIdoia | I got this System bootup in progress - please wait |
| 19:35.50 | alexIdoia | only root gets through |
| 19:36.19 | torrr | jelly-home, it looks like my mirror does only gentoo now |
| 19:37.18 | torrr | I need an other mirror then |
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| 19:38.43 | torrr | is there a tool that configure a new mirror ? |
| 19:38.52 | zicho | hmm, i have an emergency on my computer and i would prefer help as fast as anyone could |
| 19:38.56 | torrr | (and knows where are all mirrors?) |
| 19:39.00 | piztek | how do i launch a window maximized -m? |
| 19:39.36 | mrsno__ | zicho try asking a quesiton :-) else we cannot help |
| 19:40.27 | zicho | my computer crashed (because of nvidias 3D-drivers Froze my computer), and when i rebooted I couldnt start mplayer, vlc, or totem. And not xmms either. I get segmentation faults, except on totem. It just doesnt start (without any shown error). I think my filesystem or something has been corrupted. What shudd i do? |
| 19:40.30 | piztek | is it possible to launch maximized? |
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| 19:41.01 | alexIdoia | abrotman_: another idea ? |
| 19:41.03 | mrsno__ | zicho do you have a livecd? or you could use the install cd to boot to a shell and run a fsck / inspect the system logs to see what is going on |
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| 19:41.55 | xerophyte | does anybody know how can i use the ipmitool to setup ip address for the BMC ? or the console ip address do i have to do using bios or can i do it with ipmitool ? |
| 19:41.55 | zicho | I only ahve a crappy ubuntu 5.10 live CD |
| 19:42.03 | piztek | nobody knows how to start a window maximized? |
| 19:42.22 | piztek | -max? |
| 19:42.23 | mrsno__ | zicho a knoppix cd is useful in these regards, or the debian cd you used to install, any cd really |
| 19:42.35 | mrsno__ | as you will need to scan the disk unmounted/from another source |
| 19:42.38 | zicho | hmm, how can i use my debian CD live? |
| 19:42.53 | chops | zicho: Does everything that doesn't have anything to do with the 3d card/DRI work acceptably? |
| 19:43.02 | alexIdoia | there are no errors in auth.log |
| 19:43.03 | mrsno__ | by default the debian cd is not a livecd , but you can use it to boot 'expert' mode and execute a shell |
| 19:43.07 | alexIdoia | but I still can't login |
| 19:43.14 | alexIdoia | can someone give me a clue please |
| 19:43.40 | benjamindees | zicho, I would just reinstall the xorg packages |
| 19:44.28 | sohmestra | alexIdoia: so if you log in as root, what runlevel is it at? |
| 19:44.47 | alexIdoia | sohmestra: how do I know that ? |
| 19:44.49 | zicho | chops: i dont know since I run the "nv"-driver now, not the "nvidia" |
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| 19:45.15 | chops | zicho: So you changed video drivers, and now totem/xmms/vlc don't work for you? |
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| 19:45.36 | zicho | chops: with a segmentation fault |
| 19:45.44 | torrr | can anyone look here and tell me how am I supposed to define it in source.list? |
| 19:45.51 | alexIdoia | sohmestra: ? |
| 19:45.51 | torrr | http://mirror.isoc.org.il/pub/debian/ |
| 19:45.51 | sohmestra | alexIdoia: /sbin/runlevel? |
| 19:45.51 | chops | zicho: How did you install the binary nvidia driver? |
| 19:46.06 | zicho | chops: nvidias crap-installer, whick sucks |
| 19:46.27 | zicho | should i reconfigure xorg, or something? |
| 19:46.28 | chops | zicho: It may have decided to overwrite some of your X client libraries; I remember seeing it do that way-back-when when I tried to use it |
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| 19:46.49 | alexIdoia | sohmestra: n2 |
| 19:46.52 | chops | zicho: I would recommend reinstalling all your X packages, seeing if the open source X driver works for you, and then if that works, installing the binary nvidia driver the Debian way and testing that |
| 19:47.04 | chops | *open source nvidia driver |
| 19:47.25 | zicho | i think i'll go with the regular free "nv"-driver, the "nvidia" has just caused trouble |
| 19:47.37 | alexIdoia | sohmestra: what is this supposed to tell me ? |
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| 19:47.40 | chops | zicho: Also, for future reference, "my movies won't play" is not an emergency :-) |
| 19:48.00 | zicho | until i switch back to my old ATi Radeon 9200 SE and run the free "ati"-drivers. They worked a lot better. |
| 19:48.14 | zicho | No but i thought my file system had been corrupted. |
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| 19:48.35 | zicho | And i dont think thats a good thing, i havent really tried doing so much so i dont know what wont work |
| 19:48.45 | alexIdoia | sohmestra: please ? |
| 19:48.48 | zicho | But which X-packages should i reinstall? |
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| 19:49.31 | chops | zicho: I would reinstall all of them. |
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| 19:49.37 | sohmestra | alexIdoia: I'm not sure...to see if your computer really was still booting up - in single user mode, or something funky. Runlevel 2 is normal...so I'm not sure it tells me much |
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| 19:49.53 | norbert_ | hi all, does anyone here know of a good secure container application for Debian (or Linux in general)? |
| 19:49.57 | chops | Also, you might want to check for spurious client libraries that the nvidia installer put there... libglx and the like. |
| 19:50.22 | fasta | Start IceWeasel, update FlashBlock. Audacious gets killed. What is this? Windows? |
| 19:50.44 | fasta | I thought there was supposed to be process isolation on Linux. |
| 19:50.51 | alexIdoia | it looks like my isp has done something with the hostname |
| 19:50.55 | zicho | Its not Linux, its GNU/Linux. |
| 19:51.10 | zicho | Unless you run a different kernel, or a different OS than GNU of course. |
| 19:51.16 | fasta | !its |
| 19:51.16 | dpkg | its is, like, the third person neuter singular possessive prononun -- "belonging to it". It does not have an apostrophe. "It's" is a contraction for "it is" and uses an apostrophe to denote removed letters. the Incompatible Timesharing System |
| 19:51.23 | fasta | zicho: ^^ |
| 19:51.49 | fasta | zicho: are you suggesting I should blame GNU too? |
| 19:52.15 | zicho | Well, I think people should refer to it byt its proper name. Thats all. |
| 19:52.40 | zicho | But i have no time to discuss that now, my xorg is evil. |
| 19:52.43 | fasta | zicho: Windows is also not referred to by Windows/Foobar |
| 19:52.53 | fasta | zicho: nor it FreeBSD |
| 19:52.57 | fasta | is* |
| 19:52.58 | xand | I'd say "linux" was more appropriate for what fasta was talking about |
| 19:53.01 | fasta | FreeBSD/GNU |
| 19:53.02 | xand | as it's kernel related |
| 19:53.26 | chops | xand: Well, regardless, it's certainly something that's worth having a good two-hour argument about |
| 19:53.31 | fasta | zicho: and actually I know pretty well what is and what is not FSF code on my system. |
| 19:53.40 | fasta | zicho: which is what is al about in the end. |
| 19:53.42 | zicho | Well, GNU is a more proper term then, since GNU is the OS. Linux is only the kernel |
| 19:53.45 | fasta | zicho: "giving credit" |
| 19:53.51 | fasta | zicho: which isn't required per the GPL |
| 19:53.56 | Guiwald | bye everyone |
| 19:54.03 | fasta | zicho: no it is a non-issue and only people like you fall in that trap |
| 19:54.17 | fasta | zicho: any more useless remarks? |
| 19:54.35 | zicho | Its not an issue, I have no troubles with people saying "Linux", but I only think that it should be referred as GNu/Linux. |
| 19:54.46 | chops | fasta: Ooh, good one. Start insulting people! Get mad! |
| 19:54.53 | fasta | zicho: learn to spell, please |
| 19:55.03 | zicho | it is a non-issue |
| 19:55.05 | xand | zicho: Linux is not the same as GNU/Linux, so no it shouldn't |
| 19:55.07 | sohmestra | fasta: classic! |
| 19:55.13 | fasta | sohmestra: I know! |
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| 19:55.44 | fasta | I know another one: |
| 19:55.45 | zicho | No, I havent said that it is the same, but mostly people refer to GNU/Linux as only Linux, which is wrong. |
| 19:56.00 | fasta | zicho: do you remember Steve Balmer years ago in that commercial? |
| 19:56.05 | fasta | zicho: you are just like him now :) |
| 19:56.36 | zicho | Well I dont think this is of grave importance, and I have no interest in discussing with someone who keeps trying to get jabs at me when I have done nothing wrong. |
| 19:56.51 | xand | zicho: off topic anyway |
| 19:56.59 | diakopter | is this the appropriate channel for debian help? |
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| 19:57.04 | fasta | zicho: you are imposing your beliefs on somebody else. |
| 19:57.05 | xand | diakopter: haha. |
| 19:57.08 | chops | diakopter: Yes |
| 19:57.36 | fasta | diakopter: no, this has become the "No, it's GNU/Linux"!-channel. |
| 19:57.43 | diakopter | are previous releases of packages in Sid not kept on the mirrors? |
| 19:57.44 | zicho | fasta: No, I am stating my opinion. But since this is off topic i think we should end here, since we're going nowhere anyway. |
| 19:57.47 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 19:57.47 | dpkg | sdn is probably go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 19:58.05 | sohmestra | fasta connects with an ad hominem to the head, zicho counters with the "innocent victim"! This is a great fight folks! |
| 19:58.06 | abrotman | diakopter: ^^ |
| 19:58.17 | diakopter | abrotman: aha; thanks |
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| 20:00.07 | alexIdoia | ok restarted, but still the same problems |
| 20:00.08 | fasta | sohmestra: more of this great stuff can be via your favourite Pay-Per-View(TM) channel, Real Soon. |
| 20:00.21 | fasta | can be seen* |
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| 20:00.43 | xand | "year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems."... nice use of RAID/backups? :) |
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| 20:01.04 | norbert_ | is there something like bestcrypt that can encrypt a container in Linux without having to encrypt entire filesystems or professionally hack the Linux kernel; in other words, is there something that I can install with the Synaptic Package Manager that will give me a normal graphical interface that can be used by actual human beings or do I need Microsoft Windows (TM) for that? |
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| 20:01.31 | fasta | norbert_: wow, that troll is almost as good as mine! |
| 20:01.37 | norbert_ | the correct answer is: you need Microsoft Windows (TM) for that |
| 20:01.44 | norbert_ | the same if you want to unpack kgb files |
| 20:01.50 | norbert_ | and even rar files, since we only have unrar |
| 20:01.55 | torrr | can anyone look here and tell me how am I supposed to define it in source.list? |
| 20:01.57 | torrr | http://mirror.isoc.org.il/pub/debian/ |
| 20:02.02 | norbert_ | fasta: thx ;-) |
| 20:02.03 | DrRighteous | I've got a debian GRUB based system that has a corrupted ext3 root filesystem.. I want to boot into a single user RO mode so I can do a fsck on it... how do I do this from GRUB? |
| 20:02.21 | sohmestra | norbert_: that was alright, but a bit too wordy. |
| 20:02.40 | sohmestra | norbert_: you've got to rouse people with a single statement. |
| 20:03.06 | abrotman | torrr: on a guess "deb http://mirror.isoc.org.il/pub/debian/ etch main" |
| 20:04.22 | norbert_ | sohmestra: how about this one... what does this mean: Makefile:33: Warning! your compiler version (4.1.3) does not match kernel compiler version (4.1.2) |
| 20:04.37 | abrotman | exactly what it says |
| 20:04.43 | fasta | norbert_: Debian is not for human beings, #ubuntu is there. I heard you need to be black to use it, though. |
| 20:05.22 | ponyofdeath | i need to copy alot of small files through an ssh tunnel whats the most efficient way to do that rsync or netcat + tar ? |
| 20:05.23 | sohmestra | fasta: that was amazing! you've got grandmaster class troll-fu |
| 20:05.27 | chops | DrRighteous: Go to the entry you want to boot, press "e" to edit the command line, and add "init=/bin/sh" to the end of the kernel command line |
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| 20:05.42 | sohmestra | norbert_: not bad |
| 20:05.50 | fasta | sohmestra: Thanks :) |
| 20:06.37 | xand | norbert_: you could try truecrypt... it's not in debian due to the license, but it's open source anyway and they provide .deb files (for ubuntu... no idea if they work on debian though) |
| 20:06.39 | chops | ponyofdeath: Both of those should get quite good speeds |
| 20:07.04 | ponyofdeath | chops: even with lots of small files |
| 20:07.16 | chops | ponyofdeath: I believe so, yes |
| 20:08.17 | FuzzyB | Anyone around know how to reset the password in a dell 5224 gbe switch? |
| 20:09.32 | Azar | hello honorables |
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| 20:10.08 | Azar | new 2.6.22 said to bring "some more" - but "not total" wireless support |
| 20:10.26 | zicho | chops: i tried reinstalling xserver-xorg but i still have the same problem |
| 20:10.27 | Azar | http://www.linux.com/feature/117060 |
| 20:10.53 | chops | zicho: You'll need to reinstall all your X-related stuff; xserver-xorg mostly just provides dependencies |
| 20:11.04 | tarzeau | Azar! |
| 20:11.13 | Azar | tarzeau! |
| 20:11.15 | Azar | :) |
| 20:11.30 | zicho | chops: exactly what packages should i reinstall then? |
| 20:11.43 | fasta | I heard that for Leenux you need a "kernel". Windows doesn't need one, right!?!?!? Why is Lenux different? |
| 20:12.03 | Azar | fasta: linux is the kernel hahahaha |
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| 20:12.36 | zicho | fasta: Ha-ha! Good one! |
| 20:12.38 | tarzeau | fasta: kernel is a word for.. well try dict kernel |
| 20:12.53 | Azar | linux _distributions_ like Debian are operating systems that run on the linux kernel |
| 20:12.56 | zinx | !permasunday |
| 20:12.56 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 20:13.07 | fasta | sohmestra: ^^ |
| 20:13.24 | tarzeau | Azar: well debian's far more than just for on linux kernels |
| 20:13.31 | tarzeau | Azar: also runs on gnu/hurd or gnu/kfreebsd |
| 20:13.34 | pb_werkin | windows has a kernel. it's just not really something windows users concerns themselves with. |
| 20:13.37 | chops | zicho: That depends on your system, and what you have installed. See http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=xorg&searchon=sourcenames&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all for a list of packages that are X-related -- try reinstalling the ones provided by "xorg" and "xorg-server". |
| 20:13.50 | Azar | tarzeau: that was just a small empirical example for new linux users |
| 20:13.58 | sohmestra | fasta: Good, but I think the ubuntu one was a little better. |
| 20:14.22 | fasta | sohmestra: yes, me too, but amazing people even actually take it seriously. |
| 20:14.35 | zicho | chops: Is there anyway to reinstall all packages beginning with xorg and xserver? |
| 20:15.02 | fasta | Azar: if case you didn't notice, you have been trolled. |
| 20:15.27 | Azar | fasta: I really don't care... things happen |
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| 20:16.01 | sohmestra | Azar: he's just trying to regain his dignity after asking a silly question |
| 20:16.03 | Azar | I am one of the happiest fencers around here |
| 20:16.10 | chops | zicho: That won't get a lot of the client-side libraries that might be what the nvidia installer corrupted |
| 20:16.24 | chops | zicho: You need a bunch of them that start with "lib" |
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| 20:16.57 | fasta | sohmestra: subtle |
| 20:17.10 | alexIdoia | I still have the same problem ssh won't log any users but root |
| 20:17.19 | alexIdoia | where can I search for an answer ? |
| 20:17.24 | alexIdoia | in auth.log there is nothing |
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| 20:18.04 | Azar | speaking of...logs... apt-get update irclog #debian |
| 20:18.06 | Azar | :D |
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| 20:19.23 | alexIdoia | ok thanks ! |
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| 20:20.53 | zicho | chops: should i purge them or just remove them, and install them again? |
| 20:21.17 | chops | zicho: I would reinstall them (apt-get install --reinstall, I believe) |
| 20:21.38 | zicho | chops: I will do that, and i hope it will work |
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| 20:23.34 | alexIdoia | so nobody will help here ? |
| 20:23.36 | Thaiger | I can print from OpenOffice and most graphical apps, can't print from lpr, and can only print from xpdf using a2ps, which of course makes it on two pages, which isn't what I want. Does anyone have any idea? |
| 20:23.43 | alexIdoia | please ? this is kinda urgent |
| 20:24.09 | streuner | !hurry |
| 20:24.10 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
| 20:25.00 | alexIdoia | streuner: that is helping |
| 20:25.27 | h3sp4wn | alexIdoia: If its urgent then pay |
| 20:25.31 | alexIdoia | why do you even take the time to answer this kinda of things, sincerely |
| 20:25.34 | h3sp4wn | someone to do it |
| 20:25.38 | alexIdoia | ok |
| 20:25.40 | alexIdoia | thanks |
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| 20:26.23 | grendal_prime | i got this machine ..it has an nvidia video card.. |
| 20:26.36 | grendal_prime | i cannot for the life of me to get X running |
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| 20:26.52 | FuzzyB | have you tried at least to get vesa working? |
| 20:27.08 | Azar | it's lunch break sorry |
| 20:27.10 | streuner | grendal_prime: why does 'nv' not work? |
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| 20:27.27 | grendal_prime | says it cannot find nividia module |
| 20:27.37 | streuner | show us your x log |
| 20:27.41 | streuner | in paster bot |
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| 20:27.53 | grendal_prime | faild to load module..i have all the nvidia kernel installed |
| 20:28.18 | grendal_prime | vesa should work? |
| 20:28.28 | streuner | in most cases |
| 20:28.28 | Azar | grendal_prime: which nvidia module? you installed fron nvidia site? |
| 20:28.34 | FuzzyB | yes without the driver |
| 20:28.42 | grendal_prime | the packages...in the repo |
| 20:28.49 | streuner | !vesa |
| 20:28.49 | dpkg | VESA, arguable at least, stands for "video electronics standards association" and is a mode that can be used on vid cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. not accelerated |
| 20:28.51 | grendal_prime | not from nvidia site |
| 20:28.57 | ruied_ | I've installed postgresql-8.1 and then removed it and tha /etc/postgresql/ directory, now I've installed again the postgresql but it didn't create the /etc/postgresql directory and conf file... |
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| 20:29.29 | Gm4n | I seem to have broken my debian system to a degree by doing a apt-get dist-upgrade. It errored out, and now can't use apt-get update (get GPG errors). I found something on google saying to use gpg --recv-keys, but GPG just says symbol lookup error. What should I do? |
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| 20:29.34 | Azar | grendal_prime: debian version, kernel version, your nvidia card specs? |
| 20:29.46 | zrin | I want to build a 2TB storage unit with SW RAID 5 (or possibly 6?) based on etch. Which SATA controller shall I buy? What about nForce 570 Chipset with 6 onboard SATA connectors? |
| 20:29.58 | FuzzyB | i have an nvidia 13000gfxsrx |
| 20:30.07 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 20:30.08 | ruied_ | what shall I do? I need the conf file but do not know exactly where postgres is going to get the conf file... /etc/postgres/????/postgresql.conf ?? |
| 20:30.13 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 20:30.25 | erik | I installed pidgin from source but now I need to enable MSN account. pidgin complains: "SSL support is needed for MSN. Please install a supported SSL library". which package do I need to install now ? or is some daemon not running ? |
| 20:30.33 | FuzzyB | zrin, 3114's work nice, anything that supports ahci fully will do, and yes you can do raid 6 you just have to do some command line stuff during the install |
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| 20:30.52 | eald | ruied_, can you install postrgres o is already installed? |
| 20:30.55 | streuner | erik: libssl dev or such, just search for that string |
| 20:31.01 | FuzzyB | erik i would guess you need libssl |
| 20:31.06 | ruied_ | eald, it's already installed |
| 20:31.08 | eald | if yes, then just PURGE and install again |
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| 20:31.40 | baikonur | hi |
| 20:31.41 | zrin | FuzzyB: 3114 ... could you give me a link? |
| 20:32.01 | eald | ruied_, reading manuals could be good I think, you don't have to mess with /etc/ files in debian, if you want that files to be removed use purge |
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| 20:32.07 | streuner | erik: just look into 'apt-cache show pidgin', it shows the depends... |
| 20:32.32 | FuzzyB | sil 3114 |
| 20:32.35 | zrin | FuzzyB: would it be an advantage to have 2x 2-port controller over 1x 4-port controller? |
| 20:32.58 | baikonur | can somebody recommend pcmcia fast ethernet or gigabit ethernet card? it seems that the supply is very low and the information about linux support or the chipset of the offered cards insufficient |
| 20:33.01 | FuzzyB | depends on the bus your using zrin |
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| 20:33.12 | ruied_ | eald, thanks |
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| 20:33.20 | eald | np |
| 20:34.02 | h3sp4wn | baikonur: I doubt a gigabit pcmcia card existsd |
| 20:34.12 | zinx | h3sp4wn: he probably means cardbus |
| 20:34.21 | zrin | FuzzyB: I'll choose a mainboard depending on available controllers, PCIE or PCI |
| 20:34.22 | baikonur | yeah carbus |
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| 20:34.39 | aav | baikonur: try looking at http://tuxmobil.org/pcmcia_linux.html |
| 20:34.49 | erik | steuner: would I need to re-config/install etc after installing libssl ? because it still complains.... |
| 20:34.52 | baikonur | at least they are marketed |
| 20:35.02 | FuzzyB | zrin, look at the Intel ESB2 then |
| 20:35.14 | streuner | !unix lessons |
| 20:35.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have ... |
| 20:35.27 | streuner | erik: read (9) |
| 20:35.34 | zinx | baikonur: sh.nu/t/yuwqyx |
| 20:35.43 | streuner | erik: you solve the first error and so on... |
| 20:35.45 | baikonur | aav: I was there, but none of the cards I'm able to buy here are listed. and the list of pcmcia-cs supported devices are from 2004 |
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| 20:36.02 | streuner | erik: of course you have to run './configure' each step |
| 20:36.08 | zinx | baikonur: the chipset is what matters really, and most chipsets are supported |
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| 20:36.34 | grendal_prime | vesa worked |
| 20:36.51 | streuner | !congratulate grendal_prime |
| 20:36.52 | dpkg | Woohoo grendal_prime, you did it! |
| 20:36.52 | grendal_prime | but it would sure be cool if i could get the acceleration working |
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| 20:36.55 | zinx | baikonur: and it's usually easier to search to see if a specific card it supported than it is to get a comprehensive list of all supported hardware |
| 20:37.04 | zrin | FuzzyB: it shall be a NAS unit with 2x GB link, IIUC that limits transfer speed to approx. 60 GB/s anyway |
| 20:37.07 | baikonur | zinx: it's hard to find out the chipset though |
| 20:37.15 | zinx | baikonur: that's why you search to see if a particular card is supported |
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| 20:37.21 | grendal_prime | nevermind now it came up all black |
| 20:37.41 | baikonur | zinx: yes, that's what I did before. That wasn't successful so I asked here. Maybe I could have got a hint |
| 20:38.29 | zicho | if I eneter multiple packages to reinstall, is there any way to make it skip reinstalling those i dont have installed, instead of exiting with a "package blabla cant be found" |
| 20:38.51 | streuner | grendal_prime: ok, run 'lspci -v | grep -i vga' and search on usenet (groups.google.com) about your problem |
| 20:38.58 | zrin | FuzzyB: 60 MB/s of course |
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| 20:39.20 | streuner | grendal_prime: besides, what does lspci tell you? |
| 20:39.22 | baikonur | Netgear GA511 is on sale here, but I wasn't able to find the chipset. maybe there were just to much price comparison hits |
| 20:39.24 | Gm4n | I broke apt-get (and probably more) by doing a apt-get dist-upgrade. It errored out, and now can't use apt-get upgrade (packages cannot be authenticated), apt-get update (get GPG errors). I found something on google saying to use gpg --recv-keys to fix the apt-get update errors, but GPG just says symbol lookup error. Which RTFM do I go read? |
| 20:39.34 | karmatronic | hi i have a weird problem on a laptop , i upgraded from sarge to etch but no new kernel package was installed, so now ,i m stuck with kernel 2.6.8 and i have the feeling that s the reason why things are screwed up on this laptop |
| 20:39.42 | streuner | Gm4n: just ignore that |
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| 20:39.52 | Gm4n | ignore which? |
| 20:39.56 | FuzzyB | zrin, then look @ 3ware cards |
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| 20:40.03 | streuner | Gm4n: GPG errors |
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| 20:40.18 | Gm4n | fair enough... but apt-get is still broken =/ |
| 20:40.26 | streuner | finish the install process and tell us what you get next |
| 20:40.30 | streuner | hm |
| 20:40.38 | streuner | show us the error in paster bot then |
| 20:40.40 | streuner | !paste |
| 20:40.41 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 20:40.44 | zicho | if I eneter multiple packages to reinstall, is there any way to make it skip reinstalling those i dont have installed, instead of exiting with a "package blabla cant be found"? Please help. |
| 20:41.29 | karmatronic | !sarge |
| 20:41.30 | dpkg | somebody said sarge was Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 20:41.32 | zrin | FuzzyB: I know 3ware, but I'd like to have SW RAID with 6 disks, RAID 5 5+1 spare or RAID 6, so I just need a SATA controller with stable linux support |
| 20:41.53 | Gm4n | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/32452 |
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| 20:42.13 | baikonur | GA511 seems to work, at least according to a newegg review. hopefully the hardware revision has not changed |
| 20:42.41 | streuner | Gm4n: nevermind, just ignore that for now |
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| 20:43.05 | Gm4n | and when I try and do an apt-get upgrade, I get: http://paste.debian.net/32453 |
| 20:43.07 | streuner | Gm4n: you need the GPG key from kernel.org, just visit the site and get it |
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| 20:43.12 | xembrx | !ding |
| 20:43.13 | dpkg | somebody said ding was a dictionary, http://www.freshmeat.net/projects/ding/, or dong |
| 20:43.17 | streuner | heh |
| 20:43.58 | streuner | Gm4n: sure, nothing important |
| 20:44.19 | streuner | Gm4n: you upgrade to lenny? |
| 20:44.40 | Gm4n | didn't try to, no |
| 20:44.49 | Gm4n | I don't exactly have physical access to this computer |
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| 20:44.58 | streuner | hm |
| 20:45.43 | zimm | hi all, been a while .. having issues with nvidia's latest and greatest efforts .. any suggestions ? |
| 20:45.47 | ruied_ | eald, I've purged postgres1l-8.1 and install it again, but I don't have the postgresql.conf file /etc/postgresql was created but it is empty... I think it should have other files too... |
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| 20:46.25 | Gm4n | when I try and add kernel.org to my gpg keys (as per http://www.kernel.org/signature.html), I get http://paste.debian.net/32455 |
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| 20:46.48 | ruied_ | I think I have 2 versions installed.... |
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| 20:48.18 | eald | there is a /etc/postgresql/<version>/ |
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| 20:48.46 | abrotman | Gm4n: leave off the 0x |
| 20:48.59 | Gm4n | exact same error, abrotman |
| 20:49.07 | chops | zimm: Get support from nvidia? |
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| 20:49.34 | dutchfish | i have a xen bridged configuration, i had packet-cheksum-errors in dom-0. Using wireshark. My eth0 in dom-0 is virtual (transferred the phys. to peth0), vif0.0, correctly there. If i use ethtool -K eth0 tx off, packet checksums are all ok. How can i do this in a startup script, do i need to edit network-bridge script, and how do i do that? |
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| 20:50.30 | eald | ruied_, installing postgres-8.2 (in my machine) I get: postgresql-client-8.2 postgresql-client-common libpq5 postgresql-common postgresql-8.2 as dependences, what I could try in your case is purging that packages and reinstalling |
| 20:51.24 | abrotman | Gm4n: just worked fine for me .. but not as root |
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| 20:51.53 | abrotman | Gm4n: first su - root .. then try it |
| 20:52.11 | Supaplex | I hope purge won't wipe the databases (if he wants them) |
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| 20:52.13 | grendal_prime | i cant even get onto that box now to get the damn xorg.cong |
| 20:52.20 | grendal_prime | conf that is |
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| 20:52.34 | grendal_prime | and now even vesa does not work.. |
| 20:52.35 | abrotman | Supaplex: i think it asks you |
| 20:52.48 | Gm4n | same errors, abrotman |
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| 20:53.11 | abrotman | Gm4n: try it as a regular user |
| 20:53.18 | Gm4n | just tried that, again, same error |
| 20:53.22 | abrotman | or ask #gnupg |
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| 20:53.52 | piztek | my backup drive suddenly isn't working |
| 20:53.56 | piztek | /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off (initramfs) is the error |
| 20:54.13 | poncha | what is wrong herer? http://pastebin.ca/613152 |
| 20:54.18 | poncha | **here :) |
| 20:54.18 | Supaplex | piztek: what did you change? |
| 20:54.31 | Supaplex | it's a .ca pastebin for 1. |
| 20:54.31 | piztek | i was on my windows hd for a while, came back and that's now my error |
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| 20:55.06 | abrotman | piztek: ask #bash |
| 20:55.21 | piztek | thanks |
| 20:55.37 | poncha | Supaplex: does that really matter? :) btw its one of the pasters suggested by dpkg (bot) :P |
| 20:56.38 | Supaplex | they're problematic, and too many ads. rafb.net/paste is always speedy and no ads. |
| 20:56.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: is this a kangoroo? http://dinner.istheshit.net/ |
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| 20:57.31 | Gm4n | abrotman: it appears that gpg throws that exact same error regardless of what I tell it to do.... including gpg --version. I think that means readline is messed up, doesn't it? |
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| 20:57.47 | piztek | why would the backup drive do such a thing |
| 20:57.55 | irule | is it possible to not answer an incomming call with an unwanted caller id? |
| 20:58.15 | poncha | Supaplex: no ads here... adblock ;-] |
| 20:58.28 | dutchfish | irule, define "incoming call" |
| 20:58.57 | irule | POTS line |
| 20:59.00 | abrotman | Gm4n: ouch .. nto good |
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| 20:59.06 | Supaplex | irule: with what software? be specific. |
| 20:59.13 | dutchfish | irule, yes its possible |
| 20:59.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: or uhm .. i forget the other animal .. roughly the same thing .. but smaller than a roo .. ask an aussie |
| 20:59.30 | irule | ? ...hmm, analog, I have an x100p |
| 20:59.35 | Gm4n | abrotman: yeah, that's what I thought... is there any way to use apt-get to downgrade my packages back to working status? |
| 20:59.36 | Supaplex | I know astiersk can. there's even some special module for it. |
| 20:59.36 | abrotman | liable: see tarzeau's URL |
| 20:59.45 | abrotman | !downgrade |
| 20:59.45 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 21:00.03 | streuner | Gm4n: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 21:00.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: the picture should really be "http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/americas_enl_1128575604/img/1.jpg" |
| 21:00.40 | Gm4n | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 21:01.01 | streuner | ok, thats still stable |
| 21:01.14 | streuner | just edit sources.list to stable/etch NOW |
| 21:01.24 | streuner | and forget testing/lenny by now |
| 21:01.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: hhaha |
| 21:01.42 | streuner | its still broken and it needs some time to be ok |
| 21:01.52 | Gm4n | right now it's just mirrors.kernel and security.debian |
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| 21:01.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/1006_051006_pythoneatsgator.html |
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| 21:02.55 | Gm4n | streuner: my entire sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/32459 |
| 21:02.58 | streuner | Gm4n: use an official server then, kernel.org is only secondary, and i dunno how to fix |
| 21:03.10 | Gm4n | what's an official one? |
| 21:03.32 | streuner | http://(TLD).debian.org |
| 21:03.34 | abrotman | the key should be the same |
| 21:03.44 | abrotman | it shouldn't matter which debian mirror it is |
| 21:04.04 | abrotman | aptitude install debian-archive-keyring && aptitude update should suffice |
| 21:04.05 | dutchfish | i have a xen bridged configuration, i had packet-checksum-errors in dom-0. Using wireshark. My eth0 in dom-0 is virtual (transferred the phys. to peth0), vif0.0, correctly there. If i use ethtool -K eth0 tx off, packet checksums are all ok. How can i do this in a startup script, do i need to edit network-bridge script, and how do i do that? |
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| 21:04.13 | eth01 | hey |
| 21:04.18 | Gm4n | security.debian.org is an official mirror, correct? |
| 21:04.30 | streuner | sure |
| 21:04.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: is there also snake eat shark eat octopus? |
| 21:04.58 | abrotman | not that i know of |
| 21:05.01 | Supaplex | !eat tarzeau with a shark |
| 21:05.15 | streuner | deb http://ftp.(TLD).debian.org/debian sarge main , Gm4n |
| 21:05.28 | irule | what is the average file size of a 1 minute call recording in gsm and wav? thanks |
| 21:05.30 | streuner | s/sarge/stable/ |
| 21:05.33 | tarzeau | Supaplex: i got drowned by some sea monsters in nethack already |
| 21:05.33 | solemnwarning | Is there a program for brute-forcing the code used to "lock" an IDE drive? |
| 21:05.41 | Supaplex | !tell Gm4n -about sources.list |
| 21:05.59 | Gm4n | thank you, Supaplex |
| 21:06.05 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: i can write one, give me an ide drive with data that i want :) |
| 21:06.10 | Supaplex | solemnwarning: what if the drive blows a secuirty bit? maybe it'll stay locked forever. |
| 21:06.16 | solemnwarning | hmm |
| 21:06.30 | tarzeau | i don't know anyone using that thing |
| 21:06.35 | solemnwarning | tarzeau: Xbox |
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| 21:06.59 | Supaplex | isn't it in the bios? |
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| 21:07.42 | zicho | chops: reinstalled them all, but still not working =/ |
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| 21:07.52 | chops | zicho: :-( |
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| 21:08.21 | zicho | chops: I have no idea what i should to except install debian all over again or fsck from a live cd |
| 21:08.24 | ugly | I upgraded to linux-image-2.6.21-2-amd64 today from 2.6.18-3-amd64 - the kernel hangs right after messages about initializing USB HID - it looks like it might not be able to mount my root filesystem, which is reiserfs - is reiserfs no longer compiled into the image? |
| 21:08.42 | chops | zicho: Did you remove all the nvidia-installed client-side libraries? You might try using debsums (IIRC) to verify that you don't have any random other libraries that aren't working. |
| 21:08.56 | bolt | I'm using apache2's reverse proxy to serve several sites from different servers in a NAT behind my main webserver. From one of the sites, just one, I get "[error] proxy: HTTP: disabled connection for (192.168.2.6)" in my access logs when I try to use the site. What could cause this? The site config is as identical as it can be (different ip addresses) to the other sites, and it works fine when contacted directly. Not sure if this is debian spe |
| 21:08.57 | bolt | cific... |
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| 21:09.17 | streuner | ugly: i doubt that |
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| 21:10.00 | h3sp4wn | ugly: Probably switched from hd? to sd? - /msg dpkg uuid - man fstab |
| 21:10.02 | zicho | chops: i will try to uninstall nvidia as far as i can |
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| 21:10.11 | streuner | ugly: out, its out |
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| 21:11.09 | Gm4n | after I changed my sources.list, I still have errors when I attempt to update: http://paste.debian.net/32462 |
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| 21:11.26 | torrr | hi |
| 21:12.11 | streuner | Gm4n: try /topic |
| 21:12.22 | ugly | h3sp4wn: so I would replace /dev/<whatever> in /etc/fstab with UUID=<whatever>? |
| 21:12.32 | h3sp4wn | ugly: yes |
| 21:12.35 | ugly | ok |
| 21:12.53 | torrr | I saw someone said that if I'll run amd64 kernel, then I will be able to see 4gb or ram that I have but I still don't see it all just 3.2gb |
| 21:12.55 | h3sp4wn | ugly: also you would have to change the grub boot line |
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| 21:13.07 | ugly | ah right, thanks |
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| 21:13.42 | h3sp4wn | ugly: eg. - # kopt=root=UUID=46175744-127e-4dc3-a120-8fb7b74afdde ro |
| 21:14.28 | chops | torrr: What is telling you that you only have 3.2gb? /proc/meminfo? |
| 21:14.59 | torrr | chops, htop |
| 21:15.07 | torrr | chops, and top too |
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| 21:16.18 | chops | torrr: Odd. Can you pastebin /proc/meminfo? |
| 21:16.28 | zicho | chops: it works now! thx for all the help man |
| 21:16.36 | chops | zicho: np |
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| 21:17.03 | chops | zicho: If you decide you want to go back to the binary nvidia driver, I recommend installing it with the Debian package :-) |
| 21:17.09 | eth01 | hi.. does kde by default include firefox? |
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| 21:17.16 | chops | eth01: No |
| 21:17.20 | torrr | chops, http://pastebin.ca/613202 |
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| 21:17.59 | zicho | chops: Nah, i wont use it. Its not free software =P |
| 21:18.13 | grendal_prime | screw it im done |
| 21:18.24 | grendal_prime | tired |
| 21:18.25 | Gm4n | streuner: I'm sorry, I can't figure out what you mean by that. |
| 21:18.30 | chops | torrr: Yep, that's 3GB all right. Your BIOS reports 4GB, right? You're sure that you actually have 4GB? :-) |
| 21:18.32 | alexIdoi1 | i still have problems with ssh, can someone please help me there |
| 21:18.33 | grendal_prime | its not even my laptop |
| 21:18.39 | alexIdoi1 | I have tried everything I could |
| 21:18.53 | alexIdoi1 | at least as far as my knownledge goes |
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| 21:19.02 | streuner | Gm4n: /topic mention '/msg dpkg no public key' |
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| 21:19.23 | streuner | dpkg, no public key |
| 21:19.24 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 21:19.26 | alexIdoi1 | ssh do not log any user but root and I got SystemBoot-up in progress -- please wait |
| 21:19.27 | eald | grendal_prime, I don't followed all the conversation, but, is another operative sistem reporting 4GB? |
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| 21:19.59 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 21:20.00 | eald | I know of certain Lenovo laptop that can be buy with 4GB when it's limit is 3GB |
| 21:20.10 | ugly | who was it that suggested using UUID? I forgot your nick :P |
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| 21:20.50 | torrr | chops, Yes I am sure I have 4gb, however my bios report 3.2, and the rest as appropriated |
| 21:20.51 | grendal_prime | i was trying to get nvidia drivers working on a laptop |
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| 21:20.51 | ugly | in any case, it still hangs |
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| 21:20.51 | torrr | chops, I don't know what it means exactly |
| 21:20.51 | eald | oh is torrr sorry |
| 21:20.56 | chops | torrr: Appropriated? |
| 21:21.05 | chops | torrr: What exactly does it say? |
| 21:21.18 | torrr | chops, exactly 896MB |
| 21:21.32 | torrr | chops, is appropriated |
| 21:21.42 | chops | torrr: No, I mean what are the exact words that it uses to describe your memory's status? |
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| 21:22.23 | Gm4n | dpkg, sarge key |
| 21:22.27 | torrr | chops, it say total: 4096MB, appropriated: 896MB and I think available 3200MB |
| 21:22.38 | torrr | chops, this is about what it says |
| 21:22.41 | streuner | Gm4n: etch |
| 21:22.47 | Gm4n | I'm on sarge, though |
| 21:22.52 | streuner | Gm4n: hm |
| 21:22.55 | chops | torrr: Hm, that sounds like a problem unrelated to Debian :-( |
| 21:23.04 | chops | torrr: Sorry |
| 21:23.05 | streuner | thats the problem :-) |
| 21:23.20 | Gm4n | should I sarge->etch now, or after I fix the problems? |
| 21:23.25 | streuner | Gm4n: you arent on sarge anymore :-) |
| 21:23.35 | Gm4n | I'm not? o.O |
| 21:23.37 | streuner | you are running etch |
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| 21:23.57 | wols_ | Gm4n: dpkg -l apt | tail -1 |
| 21:24.01 | torrr | chops, I think so too, but I got the notion that if I would use a 64bit kernel, it would go away, however no suck luck |
| 21:24.08 | streuner | Gm4n> ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 21:24.34 | Gm4n | iF apt 0.6.46.4-0.1 Advanced front-end for dpkg |
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| 21:25.01 | streuner | !info apt etch |
| 21:25.01 | dpkg | apt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section admin, is important. Version: 0.6.46.4-0.1 (etch), Packaged size: 1403 kB, Installed size: 4312 kB |
| 21:25.04 | Gm4n | alrighty, fair enough |
| 21:25.07 | Gm4n | I'm on etch |
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| 21:25.16 | Gm4n | is etch what broke everything? |
| 21:25.26 | wols_ | why do you think anything is broken? |
| 21:25.36 | streuner | its his gpg error |
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| 21:25.43 | wols_ | that is no error |
| 21:25.45 | Gm4n | because apt-get is throwing errors, and so is gpg |
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| 21:25.53 | streuner | so get the key |
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| 21:27.03 | nerd_ | hi |
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| 21:27.08 | Gm4n | dpkg, etch key |
| 21:27.09 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 21:27.16 | piztek | can anyone help me with devilspie |
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| 21:28.32 | wols_ | piztek: you should know better |
| 21:28.42 | piztek | lol, why |
| 21:28.53 | misreckoning | I want to turn of my display while I'm on sleep... is it possible - for laptops? |
| 21:28.59 | piztek | wols_: why? |
| 21:29.00 | wols_ | caise you posed a dumb question and you're not new in #debian |
| 21:29.05 | misreckoning | :%s/of/off |
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| 21:29.14 | wols_ | misreckoning: should do that by default |
| 21:29.24 | piztek | well i am quite elite, yes, i might say |
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| 21:29.31 | misreckoning | wols_: it gets blank(ed) |
| 21:29.43 | wols_ | misreckoning: acpi-tools might have something |
| 21:29.44 | misreckoning | wols_: like a big black rectangle, but it is not down |
| 21:29.54 | misreckoning | wols_: will check it, thanks |
| 21:29.56 | piztek | wols_: well it was working, then i added it to session, and now it's not working, nothing changed except the add to sessions |
| 21:30.51 | piztek | maybe i'll script it into .sessions |
| 21:31.02 | wols_ | piztek: more dumbness. /msg dpkg doesn't work |
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| 21:32.55 | piztek | who forwarded me to #bash before too, they said that that was the wrong channel |
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| 21:34.04 | nerd_ | hi i would like export my mail to kmail on evolution sorry a dont speak very good because i'm french !!!!!! |
| 21:34.23 | wols_ | !fr |
| 21:34.23 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:34.24 | streuner | !fr |
| 21:34.26 | streuner | hm |
| 21:34.53 | streuner | nerd_: there are tools for converting from Outlook, but from evolution to kmail? |
| 21:35.08 | misreckoning | wols_: google owns :) there is a tool which can turn off the display from console "radeontool light off" and thats it :P |
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| 21:35.12 | Gm4n | when I tried to update my gpg keys as told by dpkg, I got a bit of an error: http://paste.debian.net/32464 |
| 21:35.18 | Gm4n | what do I choose? |
| 21:36.50 | peterS | Gm4n: that's not an error. that is a warning about an invalid locale ("en_US"), repeated a lot of times, then a question about the /etc/services configuration file |
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| 21:39.43 | Gm4n | how do I change my locale to us? |
| 21:40.25 | streuner | !locales |
| 21:40.26 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
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| 21:42.38 | piztek | how do i roll back to grub? |
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| 21:43.40 | eyeris | When I ssh into my linux box using putty I have problems with my terminal not printing a line feed when I type past the right edge of the window, causing the text that should be on the next line down to overwrite (on the screen, not in the readline buffer) what I've already typed in. How can I fix this? putty=0.58, bash, TERM=xterm, Debian/sid |
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| 21:44.30 | Azar | wanna see hot weather? how about 196 and 506F ? |
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| 21:44.43 | xand | Azar: what's that in proper units? |
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| 21:45.02 | Gm4n | as one of those dumb americans, which locale do I choose as default? en_US, en_US.ISO-8859-15, or en_US.UFT-8? |
| 21:45.04 | Azar | xand: well I know that 95F is 40C |
| 21:45.06 | zrin | is there a way to get RAM modules info? |
| 21:45.20 | streuner | yes |
| 21:45.52 | zrin | is there a command line utility? |
| 21:46.04 | Azar | so by the rule of 3 simple, if 95F is 40C, how much C will be for say 506F? |
| 21:46.31 | streuner | zrin: it has a strange name :-) |
| 21:46.49 | Gm4n | Azar: 263C |
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| 21:47.14 | Azar | 213C |
| 21:47.16 | streuner | zrin: hold on |
| 21:47.19 | zrin | so it's not raminfo ... ok |
| 21:47.28 | streuner | no |
| 21:47.55 | Azar | http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Dress-Appropriately.aspx |
| 21:48.39 | stoned | I have a GA 965 P S3 motherbaord by gigabyte and it support FSB of 1066 and 800. I am currently using DDR2-800mhz ram. Motherboard states that Memory standard is DDR2-800. Can I put it in 1000mhz ddr2 ram? would that work? |
| 21:49.28 | Azar | stoned :), well might or might not work, but what you do to make that HD move faster? |
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| 21:50.15 | Azar | stoned: I guess the mobo specs will tell you how much max will allow.. |
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| 21:50.39 | stoned | Azar: how does the speed of ram relate to fsb? |
| 21:50.53 | Azar | stoned: ... was a joke.. :) |
| 21:51.11 | eqjoe | hi, i am trying to catch a segmentation fault on pgps called from php, does anyone perhaps know how i can do this? |
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| 21:51.19 | streuner | zrin: hardinfo is GTK-based, but there is a cli app. |
| 21:51.46 | streuner | !info hardinfo |
| 21:51.49 | dpkg | hardinfo: (Displays system information), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.4.2.1.svn30042007-1 (sid), Packaged size: 217 kB, Installed size: 538 kB |
| 21:51.50 | Skyrail | Anyone here used lighttpd before? |
| 21:52.00 | Gm4n | alright, this time around installing the debian-archive-keyring actually gave an error: http://paste.debian.net/32465 ... What do I do about this? |
| 21:52.05 | zrin | streuner: thank you |
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| 21:52.25 | Azar | Gm4n: try setting the time.. usually the key stucks on that |
| 21:52.39 | eqjoe | pgps is called from a php script, apache error log showing a segmentation fault (i know this to be pgps, but dunno where it's having probs)... i've tried getting apache to dump core but to no avail |
| 21:52.40 | piztek | can anyone here help with devilspie |
| 21:53.43 | chops | !anyone |
| 21:53.44 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 21:54.40 | piztek | chops: devilspie was working, i added it to sessions, and now does not work, if i start it from terminal, i get nothing, blinker skips a line and that's all |
| 21:55.15 | eqjoe | pgps called from cli works fine as any user, no probs there... even if script is run via cli... it only segfaults when called through browser |
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| 21:55.22 | pickcoder | can anyone recommend a routing method for splitting local NAT traffic between two gateways, based on source IP? |
| 21:55.33 | Skyrail | I'm reading through these small tutorial files and lighttpd seems like a good alternative to Apache, just for testing out and learning. Problem is that setting up PHP seems to be done using PHP4.* anyone managed to use it with php5.*? |
| 21:55.50 | pickcoder | I'm probably going to install 2 nics so that I can use different interfaces for the gateways |
| 21:56.04 | Azar | Gm4n: and try to : aptitude update and aptitude upgrade then try installing <package> using "aptitude install" |
| 21:56.07 | pickcoder | I've done source based routing, but it wasn't based on NAT |
| 21:56.09 | chops | pickcoder: I think you are entering a world of pain |
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| 21:56.18 | pickcoder | chops: I know, but I don't have much of a choice |
| 21:56.26 | pickcoder | I need to monitor and report on traffic |
| 21:56.32 | pickcoder | but I have to preserve the gateway pathing |
| 21:56.36 | Gm4n | Azar: got it |
| 21:56.42 | Azar | Gm4n: this in case you have the _correct_ sources in your sources.list |
| 21:56.46 | Gm4n | erm, trying that now, just finished making sure the date is correct |
| 21:57.39 | chops | pickcoder: The monitoring should be unrelated to the NATing and routing -- you could even do it from a different machine than the NAT if you wanted |
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| 21:58.04 | pickcoder | chops: I don't have access to one of the gateways.. it's a vendor Adtran |
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| 21:58.36 | Gm4n | Azar: I'm still getting signature verification errors |
| 21:59.27 | Gm4n | http://paste.debian.net/32466 |
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| 21:59.38 | pickcoder | hrm.. I guess I could setup 2 "gateway" IPs on here |
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| 21:59.54 | pickcoder | and set the default gateways based on interface |
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| 22:00.19 | simonrvn | !tell tuxx -about root |
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| 22:00.50 | streuner | tuxx: you arent able to speak as long as you 'root'... |
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| 22:01.19 | smithj | so... to reply to a bug just email the bugnumber@bugs.debian.org? no account needed? |
| 22:01.21 | kritical | I have a dummy0 network interface which works fine, now I'm trying to add a second interface called dummy1 into /etc/network/interfaces but every time I type `ifup dummy1` I get 'SIOCSIFADDR: No such device' |
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| 22:01.29 | simonrvn | smithj: yeh |
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| 22:01.46 | tuxx | *sigh*.... |
| 22:01.48 | tuxx | i wasnt root... |
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| 22:01.51 | tuxx | but whatever |
| 22:01.52 | simonrvn | better |
| 22:02.02 | tuxx | i'm looking for a debian packet for ispcp |
| 22:02.04 | simonrvn | tuxx i=root@81.95.4.162 has joined #debian |
| 22:02.09 | simonrvn | my client says otherwise |
| 22:02.12 | tuxx | simonrvn: SO?? its just the damn username |
| 22:02.19 | tuxx | i can sign on as "adolfhitler" |
| 22:02.24 | tuxx | doesnt mean i'm really adolfhitler |
| 22:02.26 | tuxx | whatever.. |
| 22:02.33 | Gm4n | well, duh... that name should have a space |
| 22:02.34 | Gm4n | ^_^ |
| 22:02.39 | simonrvn | take it easy |
| 22:02.39 | streuner | sure, but you need a user account :-) |
| 22:02.41 | tuxx | exactly |
| 22:02.49 | tuxx | its lame to ban root or squelch them |
| 22:02.53 | tuxx | its the noobes own fault |
| 22:02.56 | tuxx | if they get exploited |
| 22:03.02 | tuxx | and die a miserable death |
| 22:03.09 | Gm4n | hear hear! |
| 22:03.09 | simonrvn | you're talking to me as if i did it |
| 22:03.11 | rudenstam | anyone got experience with ICH9 ? my disks don't seem to show up.. on 4.0 with 2.6.18-4 |
| 22:03.21 | tuxx | anyways.. i cant find a .deb packet for ispcp on www.apt-get.org |
| 22:03.25 | Gm4n | speaking of which, don't exploit me please =P |
| 22:03.28 | tuxx | because it doesnt let me search or something |
| 22:03.41 | tuxx | any idea where i could find a source for it? |
| 22:04.04 | tuxx | streuner: ;) |
| 22:04.14 | streuner | BUT otherwise join as user :-) |
| 22:04.15 | tuxx | streuner: there is some variable oyu can set in irssi |
| 22:04.33 | streuner | well, in X-Chat too :-/ |
| 22:04.36 | Azar | Gm4n: it worked? |
| 22:04.38 | tuxx | and telnet always works "USER NOTROOT a b c\r\nNICK streuner\r\n" |
| 22:04.52 | smithj | simonrvn: how long does it normally take for it to be posted? is there a moderation queue? |
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| 22:05.08 | Gm4n | Azar: nope. Still getting signature verification errors: http://paste.debian.net/32466 |
| 22:05.11 | tuxx | anyways.. i cant seem to find a deb packet |
| 22:05.26 | simonrvn | smithj: may take time to get the confirmation, but it does get around eventually |
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| 22:05.37 | smithj | simonrvn: ok, thanks |
| 22:05.43 | tuxx | is there some better site than apt-get.org |
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| 22:05.47 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 22:05.53 | MangosDebian | Â/away |
| 22:05.58 | MangosDebian | oops |
| 22:06.00 | sobersabre | I am trying to prepare a video of my application usage. |
| 22:06.01 | _E-bola | I recently ghosted my debian box and mvoed it to new hardware. Everything works except for one small bug |
| 22:06.06 | _E-bola | i cant get the nic working as eth0 |
| 22:06.07 | MangosDebian | evenin' |
| 22:06.08 | sobersabre | I've been advised to use vlc. |
| 22:06.09 | _E-bola | it says device not found |
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| 22:06.12 | _E-bola | but it works as eth1 |
| 22:06.17 | _E-bola | how do i make it use eth0 instaid? |
| 22:06.19 | sobersabre | any other alternatives ? |
| 22:06.22 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.23 | MangosDebian | Ж) |
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| 22:06.34 | xand | _E-bola: edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 22:06.35 | Azar | is a hiccup |
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| 22:07.33 | tuxx__ | hey guys.. anyways |
| 22:07.41 | tuxx__ | my debian didnt have make or gcc installed |
| 22:07.44 | _E-bola | xand: if i delete the contents of that file |
| 22:07.47 | _E-bola | will udev fix it on reboot? |
| 22:07.49 | tuxx__ | so i installed gcc and make with apt-get |
| 22:08.01 | xand | _E-bola: probably... but i would just edit it |
| 22:08.06 | tuxx__ | now when compiling it says it cant find files such as stdlib.h and stuff |
| 22:08.10 | Azar | Gm4n: worked? |
| 22:08.15 | tuxx__ | any idea what i need to install? |
| 22:08.17 | tuxx__ | libc-dev |
| 22:08.18 | MangosDebian | tuxx__: theres a package called build-essential that you may wanna look at too |
| 22:08.19 | tuxx__ | or something? |
| 22:08.19 | sobersabre | tuxx__: install build-essentials |
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| 22:08.26 | h3sp4wn | tuxx__: install build-essential |
| 22:08.39 | tuxx__ | root@81-95-4-162:~/ispcp-omega-1.0.0-rc2c# apt-cache search build-essentials |
| 22:08.40 | tuxx__ | root@81-95-4-162:~/ispcp-omega-1.0.0-rc2c# |
| 22:08.45 | h3sp4wn | !tell tuxx__ about b-e |
| 22:08.48 | _E-bola | xand: ok then thats what ile do |
| 22:08.56 | tuxx__ | oh.. no s |
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| 22:09.03 | sobersabre | tuxx__: right, build-essential |
| 22:09.05 | sobersabre | sorry |
| 22:09.12 | sobersabre | but you still need it. |
| 22:09.13 | sobersabre | :) |
| 22:09.18 | tuxx__ | np.. i cldve figured that out :) |
| 22:09.18 | _E-bola | sobersabre: for recording ur screen i thinkt here are better alternatives than vlc |
| 22:09.21 | tuxx__ | thx |
| 22:09.32 | sobersabre | _E-bola: can you name them ? |
| 22:09.33 | sobersabre | :) |
| 22:09.44 | _E-bola | http://www.debugmode.com/wink/ |
| 22:09.45 | _E-bola | do you know wink? |
| 22:09.46 | sobersabre | and... is there one that creates, say, a flash movie ? |
| 22:09.49 | _E-bola | its made for that purpose |
| 22:10.08 | _E-bola | its not really videos per say |
| 22:10.14 | _E-bola | but i dont tihnk u really needs videos |
| 22:10.17 | sobersabre | _E-bola: I can wink: ;-), but I didn't have the urge to use such things. |
| 22:10.30 | sobersabre | it's for something I've made up. |
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| 22:10.53 | _E-bola | vlc will record ur screen |
| 22:11.00 | _E-bola | its not really easy or flexible to get going though |
| 22:11.01 | simonrvn | oh |
| 22:11.17 | simonrvn | wtf, worst /quit msg evar |
| 22:11.24 | streuner | hehe |
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| 22:11.49 | simonrvn | my xterm is set at 128 i think, and it took up almost all of that |
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| 22:11.52 | sobersabre | hmm... |
| 22:12.06 | Gm4n | Azar: nope, still no go |
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| 22:12.16 | sobersabre | how do I produce a flash movie out of, say AVI file ? |
| 22:13.11 | simonrvn | _E-bola: so vlc can record the screen? i've been asked to record a googleearth fly-by, didn't know we had something linux-based we could use. are there others? |
| 22:13.59 | Gm4n | Azar: any other ideas for fixing it? |
| 22:14.04 | Azar | Gm4n: I was following all your pasters and here what I see: one hour ago? your sources list was set to "sarge", at your second paste listed "stable" and at your last paste was listing "etch".. what did you do man? |
| 22:14.11 | Azar | what is your exact Debian version? |
| 22:14.17 | smithj | so... how can i move an issue from affecting one package to another (a lib against which it links. in this case, glibc) |
| 22:14.25 | _E-bola | simonrvn: i know vlc very well |
| 22:14.30 | kritical | Does anyone know if it's possible to have more than one dummy network interface? (etch 2.6.18-3 |
| 22:14.35 | _E-bola | i know more or less nothing about other multimedia things for linux im afraid |
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| 22:14.39 | Azar | Gm4n: less /etc/debian_version please |
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| 22:14.49 | JordiGH | !test |
| 22:14.50 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 22:14.58 | _E-bola | but again, for instructing ppl in using software, i would recomend something like wink |
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| 22:15.29 | simonrvn | _E-bola: thanks |
| 22:15.34 | sobersabre | _E-bola: what would you like to know about multimedia on linux ? |
| 22:15.37 | sD6 | hi |
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| 22:15.51 | _E-bola | sobersabre: nothing :) |
| 22:15.53 | sobersabre | I think I can point you towards audio related stuff. |
| 22:15.54 | sobersabre | :) |
| 22:15.56 | sobersabre | ok. |
| 22:15.59 | sobersabre | good point. |
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| 22:16.16 | _E-bola | Its a shame linux lacks a common multimedia framework |
| 22:16.18 | _E-bola | for media players |
| 22:16.20 | _E-bola | ala directshow |
| 22:16.26 | Azar | Gm4n: care to reply? |
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| 22:16.47 | tvynrylan | I've used debootstrap to create a Debian root with the --variant=fakechroot flag. Now I'd like to transplant that root onto a CD that I can then boot. The system works nicely in many ways, but breaks primarily because of things the --variant flag did. Does anyone know if I can sort of un-variant it? |
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| 22:16.49 | _E-bola | But since im a windows desktop user, i mainly know about streaming and encoding on linux |
| 22:16.50 | rudenstam | I read in the 2.6.19 changelog "ahci: AHCI mode SATA patch for Intel ICH9" .. does this mean that I can't find my disks on the debian stock (2.6.18-4) kernel ? |
| 22:16.58 | _E-bola | not really typical desktop tasks like playing videos etc |
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| 22:17.45 | lindenle | !dpkg epstopdf |
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| 22:18.13 | tvynr | Bah... never notice that I have the other copy of XChat running. |
| 22:18.24 | simonrvn | ok we won't :P |
| 22:18.32 | tvynr | lol |
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| 22:19.15 | Azar | Gm4n: I am steering at the screen for 4 min now waiting for you to reply. Well all I can tell you is that I do not know what Debian version you run, but I feel that you use Sarge with etch sources. Therefore you got issues. Ask someone else whenever you feel like "being here" how to fix it |
| 22:19.47 | streuner | Gm4n> ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 22:21.46 | tvynr | *points at above post by "tvynrylan"* It's getting vexing... I rewrote my build script to address the wonky symbolic links, but now it can't seem to run the Sun JRE ("could not find libjava.so"). |
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| 22:23.10 | streuner | Azar: he has apt (etch) too, iam kind of confused why he isnt able to get the key |
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| 22:27.35 | Azar | streuner: I guess he never dist-upgraded to etch and updated/upgraded ... |
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| 22:27.47 | streuner | Azar: he did |
| 22:28.04 | streuner | Azar: his libc6 and apt is etch |
| 22:28.06 | Azar | ahhhh... he did? in one hour? |
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| 22:28.33 | Azar | http://paste.debian.net/32462 << one hour ago.. well one hour and half |
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| 22:29.22 | Azar | 30 min ago > http://paste.debian.net/32466 |
| 22:29.29 | streuner | we told him to set s/sarge/etch/stable/ about 1 hour go |
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| 22:29.40 | Azar | ah I see.. |
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| 22:30.05 | stoned | heh |
| 22:30.11 | stoned | people just don't give a shit |
| 22:30.17 | Azar | I do , for you |
| 22:30.22 | stoned | awe |
| 22:30.27 | stoned | :) |
| 22:30.29 | Azar | :) |
| 22:30.35 | tvynr | nvm re the fakechroot problem; it seems to have been caused by a weird trick I performed using UnionFS. :-P |
| 22:30.47 | tvynr | at least re the fakechroot problem with reference to debootstrap --variant |
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| 22:32.10 | Gm4n | sorry Azar. I'm at work, and I have other responsibilities |
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| 22:32.15 | Gm4n | I didn't mean to leave you waiting |
| 22:32.32 | Azar | it's ok :) |
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| 22:32.43 | Azar | look at what streuner advised you... |
| 22:32.51 | Gm4n | debian version says 4.0 |
| 22:33.04 | Azar | damn, linus is crazy! 2.6.23 is on the works now |
| 22:33.19 | Azar | 2.6.22.1 went stable (so they say) |
| 22:33.39 | streuner | Linux needs some NEW hardware... |
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| 22:33.42 | streuner | driver* |
| 22:33.58 | Azar | http://lwn.net/Articles/241266/ |
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| 22:34.32 | Azar | streuner: they say that 2.6.22 is fixing _some_ of the wireless pains |
| 22:34.36 | piztek | what is the correct method for starting devilspie |
| 22:34.51 | streuner | Azar: hm |
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| 22:35.38 | piztek | from terminal and run command prompt, devilspie has stopped working |
| 22:36.04 | Gm4n | Azar, is sources.list (http://paste.debian.net/32473) what streuner told me to do? |
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| 22:36.12 | h3sp4wn | Azar: Only the stack is in (non of the actual updated drivers were merged yet) |
| 22:36.50 | streuner | Gm4n: comment (#) line 1 too |
| 22:37.04 | streuner | the syntax is wrong |
| 22:37.11 | piztek | does anyone here use sawfish? |
| 22:37.21 | Gm4n | line 1 was just put in there for recognizability |
| 22:37.25 | Gm4n | sorry |
| 22:37.38 | Gm4n | only uncommented lines are deb .... etch main and deb ..... etch/updates ... |
| 22:37.39 | tuxx__ | hey guys |
| 22:37.40 | tuxx__ | my debian |
| 22:37.46 | tuxx__ | is in german for some reason |
| 22:37.47 | Azar | Gm4n: < streuner> Gm4n> ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 22:37.55 | tuxx__ | like apt-get etc gives me error emssages in german and stuff |
| 22:37.59 | tuxx__ | is tehre some way i can make it english? |
| 22:37.59 | zinx | tuxx__: echo $LANG |
| 22:38.06 | tuxx__ | de_DE.UTF-8 |
| 22:38.08 | zinx | change LANG to something english |
| 22:38.10 | tuxx__ | what should i set it to? |
| 22:38.26 | Azar | !no public key |
| 22:38.26 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 22:38.27 | zinx | you probably want to muck with /etc/environment too |
| 22:38.39 | Azar | Gm4n: you see that? ^^^^^^^^^ |
| 22:38.40 | zinx | tuxx__: either nothing or en_US |
| 22:38.45 | zinx | tuxx__: or en_GB or whatever |
| 22:38.54 | tuxx__ | Failed to fetch http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Release.gpg Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.de.debian.org' |
| 22:39.03 | tuxx__ | is it just me |
| 22:39.07 | tuxx__ | or is that source really failing? |
| 22:39.15 | zinx | you're failing to resolve it |
| 22:39.17 | xand | ftp.de.debian.org has address 141.76.2.4 |
| 22:39.23 | tuxx__ | strange.. |
| 22:39.24 | Gm4n | I do see that, Azar. I saw that earlier, too... however, dpkg, etch key didn't help |
| 22:39.28 | tuxx__ | why is it failing all of a sudden |
| 22:39.33 | tuxx__ | it was working fine earlier |
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| 22:39.39 | xand | tuxx__: your dns may be broken |
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| 22:39.55 | l3on | Hi all... I think there is a not segnaled bug in k3b 1.0.2 |
| 22:40.01 | Azar | Gm4n: streuner knows better what you had before, what you did... maybe he can help further.. |
| 22:40.03 | tuxx__ | oh.. yea |
| 22:40.06 | tuxx__ | my dns is broken ... strange |
| 22:40.13 | l3on | It freezes system forcing me to reboot manually... |
| 22:40.13 | streuner | !kill Azar |
| 22:40.18 | stoned | hey! |
| 22:40.24 | stoned | quit killin people |
| 22:40.25 | zinx | tuxx: just swap out whatever's in /etc/resolv.conf with 4.2.2.1 for now |
| 22:40.33 | Azar | :) sorry streuner, I am confused on what he did so far under your guidance... |
| 22:40.33 | Gm4n | dpkg, etch key |
| 22:40.34 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 22:40.38 | streuner | stoned: he deserve that ;-) |
| 22:40.40 | xembrx | !kill dpkg |
| 22:40.41 | stoned | hehe |
| 22:40.46 | Azar | !etch key |
| 22:40.47 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 22:40.48 | tuxx__ | zinx: its set to localhost i'll try setting to my gateway |
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| 22:40.55 | zinx | tuxx__: yeah, that may work too |
| 22:41.02 | stoned | streuner: you da man |
| 22:41.06 | stoned | 10 more minute till I go home |
| 22:41.07 | stoned | :D |
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| 22:41.30 | Azar | stoned: when you get home, come back here.. don't be a stranger |
| 22:41.42 | stoned | im on a machine that is on 24/7/365 |
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| 22:41.52 | stoned | I run irssi < screen |
| 22:41.54 | stoned | I'm always here |
| 22:41.56 | stoned | :D |
| 22:41.59 | Azar | cool |
| 22:42.19 | stoned | umm |
| 22:42.22 | stoned | lets see what this is |
| 22:42.26 | Azar | stoned: I see rahul has divorced you |
| 22:42.31 | piztek | stoned help me with devilspie |
| 22:42.32 | Gm4n | when I try and do what dpkg reccomends, I get an error: http://paste.debian.net/32474 |
| 22:42.34 | stoned | Linux laptop 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:42.46 | rahul | heh |
| 22:42.48 | rahul | ok then |
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| 22:43.17 | streuner | Package libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 is not installed. |
| 22:43.18 | rahul | erg better get a shower soon so I can go participate in drunken geekery |
| 22:43.20 | tuxx__ | how should one set the hostname in debian? |
| 22:43.24 | tuxx__ | /etc/hostname |
| 22:43.25 | tuxx__ | or something? |
| 22:43.30 | Azar | hmm whatever could be: /usr/local/lib/libreadline.so.5: undefined symbol: BC |
| 22:43.31 | MangosDebian | stoned: found a link you may be proud of -> http://www.canada.com/cityguides/fortstjohn/story.html?id=688c8943-c48f-4ef8-b773-d1e968976ca1&k=12968 |
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| 22:43.35 | stoned | yeh you should really update first |
| 22:43.38 | stoned | then try to isntall stuff |
| 22:43.41 | rahul | tuxx__: yeah, but make sure it's listed in /etc/hosts, too |
| 22:43.43 | stoned | install that one package |
| 22:43.49 | tuxx__ | rahul: ok |
| 22:43.56 | streuner | Azar: the '/usr/local' is strange.. |
| 22:44.10 | mosno | ActiveX is evil |
| 22:44.25 | mosno | whoops wrong channel |
| 22:44.27 | streuner | Azar: there must be something else (strange thingie) |
| 22:44.28 | Azar | streuner: maybe the dist-upgrade was not done correctly? |
| 22:44.28 | Gm4n | streuner: I tried to install libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11, but that didn't work either |
| 22:44.52 | rahul | well, pot's basically legal in montreal |
| 22:44.55 | JordiGH | Probably not that wrong of a channel. I'm sure most people here aren't fans of ActiveX. :-) |
| 22:44.56 | stoned | luhar |
| 22:44.59 | stoned | my main man whats up |
| 22:45.09 | Azar | streuner: what if he : apt-get install aptitude and ran aptitude again? |
| 22:45.11 | stoned | chimta |
| 22:45.14 | JordiGH | Gm4n: Did you rund apt-get update? |
| 22:45.17 | stoned | saaeen baba |
| 22:45.19 | rahul | stoned: bitching about the shutting down of internet radio mostly |
| 22:45.25 | Azar | JordiGH: yes he did |
| 22:45.27 | tuxx__ | i have a raid-1 system |
| 22:45.37 | xand | stoned are you living up to your name? :P |
| 22:45.38 | tuxx__ | on this server it was pre-setup |
| 22:45.44 | stoned | not at work man |
| 22:45.48 | stoned | soon as I go home |
| 22:45.52 | Gm4n | JordiGH: about 10 times |
| 22:45.54 | rahul | heh |
| 22:45.55 | xand | sure |
| 22:45.56 | tuxx__ | any idea how to check if its working.. and to see information on my other hdd? like check what my old resolv.conf was? |
| 22:45.57 | stoned | i'll finish off my bag and then i quit again for a very long time |
| 22:46.27 | stoned | maybe i'll go to rahuls house and get stoned, but im never again buying or doing pot (I think) |
| 22:46.34 | JordiGH | Gm4n: That's fucked up, then. I'd call it a packaging error, except you're running etch. |
| 22:46.40 | stoned | be clean you know |
| 22:46.40 | Azar | Gm4n: try apt-get install aptitude and run aptitude update/upgrade again |
| 22:46.48 | rahul | heh |
| 22:46.49 | stoned | Azar: i told him that |
| 22:46.51 | stoned | 4 minutes ago |
| 22:46.55 | Gm4n | JordiGH: I wasn't using etch at first |
| 22:46.58 | Gm4n | it updated itself ;) |
| 22:46.59 | Azar | stoned: you are 4 min smarter than me |
| 22:47.00 | rahul | clean except when you're around me |
| 22:47.03 | stoned | lol |
| 22:47.05 | tuxx__ | hey guys... i have a server which i am remotely loged into .. it has 4gb ram.. so i want to install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 - Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 22:47.08 | tuxx__ | linux-image-2.6.18-4-686-bigmem |
| 22:47.11 | tuxx__ | oops.. |
| 22:47.12 | rahul | why is it always me? |
| 22:47.22 | Azar | rahul: ofcourse is allways about you |
| 22:47.26 | JordiGH | Gm4n: Wait, you using a mixed sarge/etch system? I think I spotted your problem. ;-) |
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| 22:47.33 | tuxx__ | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686-bigmem |
| 22:47.35 | rahul | stoned: you're not a girl, dude. you don't need to be dirty just when you're with me. |
| 22:47.37 | Azar | JordiGH: we went through that |
| 22:47.43 | tuxx__ | i gota make sure i do it right so that when it reboots it doesnt die on me |
| 22:47.52 | mosno | rahul: lol |
| 22:48.01 | Azar | rahul: I thought you were the wife side.... |
| 22:48.10 | streuner | haha |
| 22:48.11 | InYourBase | When I run network-admin, none of the interfaces show up. |
| 22:48.12 | rahul | Azar: I'm the bisexual wife, I guess |
| 22:48.26 | Gm4n | when I try to apt-get install aptitude, I have the same error as when I try and do anything else: http://paste.debian.net/32475 |
| 22:48.30 | Azar | you naughty boys you.. |
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| 22:49.06 | streuner | Azar: nah |
| 22:49.16 | piztek | the gentoo guys will know how to fix this |
| 22:49.18 | Azar | #17 is with the bug |
| 22:49.24 | streuner | both are just a little bit crazy :-) |
| 22:49.49 | Azar | he is missing libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 but apt is _not_configured_yet |
| 22:50.08 | streuner | hm |
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| 22:50.15 | Azar | hmmm what if he removes apt, and reinstalls it? |
| 22:50.30 | streuner | oh, thats not a good idea :-) |
| 22:50.41 | Azar | hehe yes.... no apt to install then |
| 22:50.46 | JordiGH | You can't remove apt. dpkg should refuse to do that. |
| 22:50.54 | Azar | remove aptitude and reinstall.. nah apt is broken |
| 22:51.04 | JordiGH | !remove apt |
| 22:51.21 | JordiGH | dpkg, remove apt is No, I won't, are you nuts?! |
| 22:51.22 | dpkg | JordiGH: okay |
| 22:51.23 | Azar | !apt one-liner |
| 22:51.24 | Azar | hehe |
| 22:52.19 | Gm4n | is there a tarball for apt out there somewhere I can use? |
| 22:52.20 | Azar | what about apt-utils? can that be replaced with a reinstall? |
| 22:52.26 | streuner | anyways, he should just ignore the warnings and install everything by now |
| 22:52.52 | JordiGH | streuner: Force it? |
| 22:52.54 | streuner | Priority: important |
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| 22:53.02 | streuner | sure |
| 22:53.10 | streuner | apt-utils is important |
| 22:53.16 | streuner | btw |
| 22:53.25 | JordiGH | Oh. It's not essential. |
| 22:53.30 | Azar | but dependencies could not be solved by apt, which is badd |
| 22:53.40 | streuner | sure |
| 22:53.49 | JordiGH | That's odd... I guess you can do everything with dpkg, then. Ugh. Was that how it was, back in the stone age? |
| 22:53.51 | stoned | ok time to go home |
| 22:54.00 | Azar | we need an apt-repair utility |
| 22:54.02 | Gm4n | umm, so what do I do? |
| 22:54.04 | Gm4n | =/ |
| 22:54.10 | streuner | apt is responsible to solve depends :-) |
| 22:54.15 | Gm4n | dibs on not making the apt-repair util |
| 22:54.46 | Gm4n | I think my libreadline is broken |
| 22:54.51 | Gm4n | no matter what I try, it blows up |
| 22:54.56 | streuner | what we told you, finish the install process |
| 22:55.02 | Gm4n | umm |
| 22:55.07 | Gm4n | I never started an install process |
| 22:55.15 | streuner | ignore all warnings by now |
| 22:55.20 | Gm4n | I did |
| 22:55.22 | Gm4n | it still dies |
| 22:55.23 | streuner | ok |
| 22:55.32 | streuner | show us the error again |
| 22:55.40 | rahul | um but libreadline in /usr/local? |
| 22:55.47 | streuner | yeah |
| 22:55.48 | rahul | that's not from debian |
| 22:55.50 | Gm4n | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.51 | streuner | thats weird |
| 22:55.54 | rahul | that's his own intentional breakage |
| 22:56.08 | Gm4n | is not =/ |
| 22:56.09 | rahul | Gm4n: uninstall the readline you manually installed |
| 22:56.14 | Azar | copyied from some forum: "simply removed all of the libreadline files in /usr/local/lib/ and ran a sudo ldconfig" |
| 22:56.21 | Azar | streuner ^^^^^^ |
| 22:56.24 | streuner | hm |
| 22:56.34 | Azar | the guy say it fixed that errors |
| 22:56.43 | Azar | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-269022.html |
| 22:56.54 | JordiGH | Ubuntu. |
| 22:56.57 | JordiGH | Ack. |
| 22:57.04 | rahul | wtf |
| 22:57.05 | streuner | well, he runs Debian |
| 22:57.08 | Azar | well close enough |
| 22:57.11 | Gm4n | hmm, it fixed that error =) |
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| 22:57.22 | rahul | so why would anyone screw up their system like that in the first place? |
| 22:57.31 | JordiGH | The problems with the Ubuntu forums is that they tell you how to use a chainsaw but neglect to say that it can also chop off your own limbs. |
| 22:57.42 | Azar | rahul: because it just works? |
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| 22:57.51 | Gm4n | hmm.... but I heard girls dig guys with one arm =D |
| 22:58.05 | rahul | uh |
| 22:58.17 | streuner | fuck |
| 22:58.23 | rahul | Azar: it doesn't work to install libs manualy that override stuff that debian installed |
| 22:58.47 | JordiGH | Libs are a nightmare if done manually. |
| 22:58.55 | JordiGH | Especially readline. :-/ |
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| 22:59.12 | zinx | readline has really bad licensing |
| 22:59.32 | JordiGH | zinx: Huh? It's not just plain (L)GPL? |
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| 22:59.36 | streuner | readline was never a problem for me |
| 22:59.37 | zinx | JordiGH: it's GPL |
| 22:59.49 | zinx | JordiGH: that means only GPL'd programs can use it. |
| 23:00.02 | Azar | rahul: I have googled for this error and this only one guy fixed his stuff... all other inquiries in the forums remain unanswered |
| 23:00.14 | JordiGH | zinx: No, it doesn't mean that. |
| 23:00.29 | enyc | gone are the days that referring to "GPL" is normally sufficient ... GPLv2 and GPLv3 are here ... lol |
| 23:00.31 | streuner | Azar: sure, because usually you dont get that problem at all |
| 23:00.37 | rahul | Azar: because the problem is that the person intentionally broke his system |
| 23:00.38 | zinx | JordiGH: Yes it does. |
| 23:00.39 | JordiGH | I'm not gonna get into a GPL flamewar here. |
| 23:00.42 | rahul | there's no simple solution to it |
| 23:00.45 | zinx | JordiGH: you're thinking of the LGPL, methinks :P |
| 23:00.56 | mosno | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/breaking_news_all_online_data (offtopic, funny) |
| 23:01.01 | JordiGH | zinx: You're misunderstanding the difference between GPL and GPL-compatible. If you want to talk about this further, I recommend you go to #gnu. |
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| 23:01.20 | Azar | Gm4n: try using apt-get or aptitude from command line.... as root (not su) see if works |
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| 23:01.23 | rahul | readline isn't gpl-compat |
| 23:01.28 | rahul | readline is gpl |
| 23:01.42 | JordiGH | zinx: And the FSF explicitly justifies why they use GPL and LGPL for readline. It's out there somewhere. |
| 23:01.48 | JordiGH | and not LGPL |
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| 23:01.55 | Gm4n | Azar: it's working with the removed readlines |
| 23:01.59 | Gm4n | now I just need to add keys |
| 23:02.07 | bronze | Should I choose "Stable" or Testing" image, and what's the difference between CD and DVD? |
| 23:02.09 | rahul | JordiGH: to force people to GPL their programs if they want to use readline |
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| 23:02.13 | Azar | you removed them? wow ok |
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| 23:02.28 | zinx | JordiGH: afaik it's GPL only |
| 23:02.37 | zinx | JordiGH: and yes, see what rahul wrote |
| 23:02.48 | DawnLight | incredible. i have this friend, whenever he comes near my linux box, it crashes |
| 23:03.04 | Azar | maybe Gm4n's box don't swallow the gpl lines :) |
| 23:03.05 | streuner | he has a root account? :-/ |
| 23:03.06 | JordiGH | zinx: It is. But that just means that the body of work conjointly has to be distributed under terms compatible with the GPL. You can take a BSD-licensed app, slap readline on it, and distribute it. |
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| 23:03.17 | Azar | the evil DRM at dark works |
| 23:03.20 | rahul | JordiGH: and then it becomes gpl |
| 23:03.23 | JordiGH | zinx: As long as you distribute it under the terms of the GPL. |
| 23:03.26 | zinx | JordiGH: no |
| 23:03.38 | Gm4n | am I breaking GPL somehow? =/ |
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| 23:03.41 | zinx | JordiGH: see 2.b |
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| 23:03.50 | Azar | Gm4n: dunno? streuner does he? |
| 23:04.05 | Gm4n | I just removed that readline install |
| 23:04.07 | StarkD | DawnLight: that is why I started to learn computers from the beginning. They just died when I looked at them :D |
| 23:04.08 | JordiGH | rahul: It doesn't become GPL. The GPL can't change the copyright statement of another piece of work; only the original copyright holders can do that. It's just that the entirety of the body has to be distributed under terms which are compatible with what the GPL says. |
| 23:04.23 | Azar | ok ok ok ATTENTION question: what is readline? |
| 23:04.31 | Supaplex | !readline |
| 23:04.32 | rahul | JordiGH: which is the GPL |
| 23:04.37 | zinx | JordiGH: see 2.b. You can't distribute software that uses readline unless it's GPL'd. |
| 23:04.40 | streuner | !listvals readline |
| 23:04.42 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'readline' by value (3): shell beep ;; spelling ability ;; python2 readline. |
| 23:04.43 | rahul | JordiGH: and a proper BSD app cannot legally be GPL'd |
| 23:04.57 | rahul | JordiGH: only BSD sans adveritising |
| 23:05.17 | JordiGH | rahul: Yes, but GPL-compatible is different from the GPL itself. And yes, BSD sans advertising. The advertising clause is rare nowadays anyways. |
| 23:05.21 | Supaplex | Azar: apropos readline shows, readline (3readline) - get a line from a user with editing |
| 23:05.27 | Supaplex | among others |
| 23:05.29 | rahul | if you do what you said exactly, you'd be breaking both licenses |
| 23:05.33 | Gm4n | what does it mean when apt-get upgrade gives a "The following packages have been kept back"? |
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| 23:05.53 | JordiGH | zinx: Again, you could take BSD-licensed work and slap readline on it. That's fine. |
| 23:05.55 | whooper | hello.. i'm running a minimal X install on debian, and I want to run xsetroot to set a background color on startup... but putting it in .xsession doesn't work, it exits immediately... any ideas? =) |
| 23:05.58 | zinx | JordiGH: you can only distribute such an application *after* it has been GPL'd. Read the GPL version 2, 2.b |
| 23:06.04 | JordiGH | zinx: And if you want to talk about this further, we can take it go #gnu. |
| 23:06.10 | enyc | Gm4n: unless you are distributing (conveying/copying) a program, you do not need a "license" etc... (as copyright does not come into this), in short (I think) |
| 23:06.12 | zinx | JordiGH: you can dual license it, yes, but for the readline version it must be GPL'd. |
| 23:06.13 | rahul | JordiGH: it's fine as long as your combined source is distributed as GPL |
| 23:06.14 | streuner | Gm4n: the depends cannot resolved or/and NEW packages are going to your system |
| 23:06.15 | Azar | oh thanks |
| 23:06.36 | zinx | JordiGH: i don't care about it enough to make room for another channel |
| 23:06.37 | Gm4n | why would an upgrade install new packages? |
| 23:06.56 | zinx | Gm4n: because some of your programs need more stuff now |
| 23:06.58 | streuner | Gm4n: new libs could be created |
| 23:07.18 | JordiGH | zinx: "Under the terms of this license" doesn't mean "under this license". YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE COPYRIGHT OF WORKS YOU DON'T OWN. |
| 23:07.24 | Azar | it seems that his dist-upgrade was done without preparation and something went really wrong.. |
| 23:07.32 | rahul | Gm4n: I think you want to read the user guide for debian |
| 23:07.41 | enyc | Gm4n: "upgrade" should not install/remove anything |
| 23:07.50 | zinx | JordiGH: i'm saying it can't be distributed |
| 23:07.50 | Azar | rahul: kinda late after dist-upgrade with a broken apt... |
| 23:07.58 | JordiGH | zinx: Yes it can. |
| 23:08.00 | rahul | Azar: shrug... |
| 23:08.02 | zinx | JordiGH: legally :P |
| 23:08.06 | rahul | Azar: better late than never |
| 23:08.06 | enyc | Gm4n: "dist-upgrade" is permitted to install/remove things to complete full package upgrade whatnot |
| 23:08.09 | JordiGH | zinx: Yes it can legally. |
| 23:08.14 | Gm4n | aha, got it |
| 23:08.19 | Gm4n | thanks, enyc |
| 23:08.20 | rahul | JordiGH: if you distribute it, you own it |
| 23:08.21 | zinx | JordiGH: the GPL v2 (or later) is the only thing that gives you the right to distribute readline |
| 23:08.27 | Azar | streuner: can he do a dist-upgrade again? |
| 23:08.36 | JordiGH | rahul: No. That's not how copyright works. I'm talking about the holder of the copyright. |
| 23:08.38 | Azar | Gm4n: did you upgraded the kernel as well? |
| 23:08.39 | streuner | Azar: never! |
| 23:08.44 | JordiGH | zinx: Readline itself, yes. |
| 23:08.45 | Gm4n | Azar: not on purpose =D |
| 23:09.00 | rahul | JordiGH: open source is about transferring ownership to all people in the world |
| 23:09.01 | Azar | Gm4n: what kernel you got now? |
| 23:09.02 | streuner | Azar: he needs some experiences first! |
| 23:09.09 | Azar | oh ok |
| 23:09.11 | Gm4n | Azar: one sec, let me see |
| 23:09.21 | JordiGH | rahul: The free software principle of "ownership" is different from the legal meaning of the owner of a copyright. |
| 23:09.32 | Gm4n | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.39 | Azar | ouch!!! OUCH!!! |
| 23:09.42 | h3sp4wn | rahul: open source is about letting people see the source code nothing else |
| 23:09.44 | rahul | JordiGH: please learn about derived works |
| 23:09.48 | Azar | NOOO no no no no no |
| 23:10.00 | DawnLight | i wish i had a place to put a third monitor... |
| 23:10.02 | Azar | upgrade to etch with a 2.4.x.!! blasphemy |
| 23:10.13 | Gm4n | I didn't intend to upgrade to etch either |
| 23:10.15 | Gm4n | it was accidental |
| 23:10.18 | JordiGH | h3sp4wn: The official definition of Open Source is much more than that. It's basically the DFSG. |
| 23:10.20 | zinx | JordiGH: so your solution is, if you distribute or publish anything non-GPL'd that uses readline, you can just stop distributing readline? |
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| 23:10.22 | Azar | ok |
| 23:10.30 | streuner | Azar: etch doesnt has a 2.4.x kernel.... |
| 23:10.33 | Azar | streuner can he get to 2.6.18 directly? |
| 23:10.37 | streuner | sure |
| 23:10.41 | Gm4n | do I need to change my kernel? |
| 23:10.42 | Azar | streuner: no, but Gm4n is using one |
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| 23:10.44 | enyc | Gm4n: well... if your /etc/apt/sources.list refers to "stable" and you do a dist-upgrade... it will upgrade lots to become etch ;-) |
| 23:10.53 | Azar | enyc: we went there |
| 23:10.54 | JordiGH | zinx: Wtf? All I'm saying is you can take anything that's licensed under something that's GPL-compatible and slap readline on it and distribute that. |
| 23:10.56 | streuner | Azar: its ok now |
| 23:10.59 | Gm4n | yeah, accidentally ;) |
| 23:11.16 | enyc | Gm4n: if your /etc/apt/sources.list refers to "etch" or "sarge" explicitly this problem wont happen ;-) |
| 23:11.21 | rahul | JordiGH: only if you distribute it _under_ _the_ _GPL_ |
| 23:11.28 | Gm4n | it refers to etc explicitly now |
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| 23:11.39 | JordiGH | rahul: Yes, but that doesn't change the copyright statement of the original piece of work. |
| 23:11.41 | rahul | JordiGH: that is the definition of gpl-compatible |
| 23:11.48 | InYourBase | If network-admin and the services dialog from system->administration menu don't work, is there a way to fix that? |
| 23:11.50 | zinx | JordiGH: let me be more clear: You can't distribute it with readline, and can't distribute readline, unless all the programs you're distributing or publishing that use readline are distributed under the terms of the GPL v2 (or later) |
| 23:11.51 | rahul | licenses that can be relicenced under gpl |
| 23:11.52 | enyc | Gm4n: e.g. ubuntu has (sensibly, imho) always installed sources.list with release names, and never using "stable" "testing" ... |
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| 23:12.15 | JordiGH | zinx: They have to distributable under terms that are compatible. So BSD code without an advertising clause is ok. |
| 23:12.19 | Azar | Gm4n: apt-cache search linux-image .. look for a 2.6.18 for your arch, then aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-blabla-blabla < the line you have chosen |
| 23:12.19 | enyc | Gm4n: whereas debian has traditionally pointed to "stable" which means you get into this fun when thereis a new debian release -;) |
| 23:12.37 | enyc | I remember very carefully reading the debian etch upgrade instructions ;-) |
| 23:12.42 | Gm4n | not I |
| 23:12.46 | Gm4n | I upgraded by accident |
| 23:12.47 | enyc | telling me all sorts of passible snages ;-) |
| 23:12.52 | enyc | Gm4n: sure... i know |
| 23:12.57 | Gm4n | hehe, I feel like one of those people who uses their CD drive as a cupholder |
| 23:13.02 | Azar | enyc: we been there, he did it BY ACCIDENT |
| 23:13.08 | zinx | JordiGH: the GPL v2 says you must distribute them under the terms of the GPL v2 specificly |
| 23:13.09 | StarkD | Gm4n: lol |
| 23:13.12 | enyc | the funnything was _no_ snags happened... debian sarge>etch kjust worked for me |
| 23:13.15 | enyc | Azar: *I KNOW* |
| 23:13.19 | Azar | Gm4n: upgrade the kernel |
| 23:13.25 | Gm4n | do I have to? |
| 23:13.29 | Azar | yes yes |
| 23:13.33 | zinx | JordiGH: which is pretty much the same as licensing it as GPL v2 |
| 23:13.36 | enyc | Im sure the new kernel was needed for udev to work right |
| 23:13.39 | JordiGH | zinx: Yes. But that doesn't change their license terms. Their license terms must already agree with the GPL to begin with. |
| 23:13.43 | enyc | (at least) |
| 23:13.44 | graytron | enyc: did you read release notes? |
| 23:13.46 | zinx | JordiGH: i'm not disputing that |
| 23:13.48 | Azar | Gm4n: you cannot possibly have a stable, good etch with an outdated kernel |
| 23:13.55 | enyc | graytron: cant remember... |
| 23:14.03 | JordiGH | zinx: So go ahead and slap readline on as much BSD code as you want. It's ok. |
| 23:14.04 | enyc | graytron: where are tnhe etch release notes? |
| 23:14.14 | streuner | !release notes |
| 23:14.14 | dpkg | it has been said that release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes |
| 23:14.14 | zinx | JordiGH: but the work is then no longer BSD'd |
| 23:14.19 | zinx | JordiGH: *THAT* is the problem |
| 23:14.28 | JordiGH | zinx: Why? |
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| 23:14.37 | rahul | BECAUSE IT USES READLINE |
| 23:14.41 | zinx | friggen |
| 23:14.41 | streuner | haha |
| 23:14.43 | graytron | enyc: just wondering. don't ask me :) i should upgrade also |
| 23:14.45 | JordiGH | No, I mean, why is that a problem? |
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| 23:14.48 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html << eny |
| 23:14.57 | zinx | JordiGH: because not everyone is a GNU let's take over the world with the GPL zealot |
| 23:15.00 | rahul | JordiGH: because the original author wanted a BSD-licensed program |
| 23:15.05 | zinx | JordiGH: some people *WANT* their code to be BSD'd |
| 23:15.07 | Fuzzy | has anyone tried to install mysql-server latley? Seems that the apt package has a bug |
| 23:15.15 | rahul | clearly BSD people are evil |
| 23:15.16 | Azar | kids, stop the politics.. |
| 23:15.20 | JordiGH | rahul: so the original author must say that their code can always be included in proprietary programs and that nobody can forbid this. |
| 23:15.21 | zinx | JordiGH: as hard as that may be to imagine for you :P |
| 23:15.23 | Gm4n | I'm assuming aptitude and apt-get are the same thing? |
| 23:15.29 | streuner | no |
| 23:15.32 | zinx | Gm4n: no, but you should use aptitude |
| 23:15.39 | Azar | Gm4n: on dist-upgrade and kernel upgrades, best is using aptitude |
| 23:15.42 | zinx | Gm4n: it accepts most of the the command-line arguments |
| 23:15.42 | rahul | JordiGH: then it's NOT GPL COMPATIBLE |
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| 23:15.49 | zinx | Gm4n: it also has a TUI interface though |
| 23:15.53 | Azar | stop the politics gents! |
| 23:15.55 | enyc | graytron: i think ive seen this.. id say i probably did read release notes |
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| 23:16.09 | zinx | Gm4n: and it does a lot more trying to figure out what you mean when dependency conflicts arise |
| 23:16.09 | Azar | enyc: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 23:16.14 | Azar | graytron: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 23:16.32 | Azar | anyone else wants the release notes? |
| 23:16.48 | JordiGH | zinx: BSD people have much too idealistic of a license. It's simplistic. Either they take a stance on not letting their code be forbidden from being included in proprietary software, or they don't. Since they don't take a stance in their license either way, the GPL can forbid their code from being included in proprietary software. |
| 23:16.48 | rahul | you shouldn't tell people to use aptitude |
| 23:16.50 | rahul | you'll get banned |
| 23:16.58 | streuner | heh |
| 23:17.17 | Azar | rahul: aptitude finally gained recognition on this channel |
| 23:17.21 | Gm4n | how do you figure out which architecture you have again? It was a long time ago I set this thing up, and I'm not positive on what processor is in it |
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| 23:17.26 | StarkD | Gm4n: also aptitude keeps an eye on which packages that are not are unused and remove them, if you install packages with aptitude that is |
| 23:17.26 | streuner | well, aptitude has a big lobby, but SO big? |
| 23:17.32 | enyc | Azar: A.2. Checking your sources list |
| 23:17.44 | Azar | Gm4n: k7 or k8 is amd, smp is intel ... right streuner? |
| 23:17.45 | enyc | Azar: very sensibly explains the sources.list "stable" etc. |
| 23:17.58 | streuner | Azar: yes |
| 23:18.12 | Azar | enyc: I know and told Gm4n but he dist-upgrade by mistake..... |
| 23:18.17 | Azar | not prepared |
| 23:18.23 | streuner | Azar: keep in mind, default in Debian is nowadays SMP anyways... |
| 23:18.27 | enyc | Question ;-) --- Does Debian etch now install a sources.list by-default (new install) refering to "etch" rather than "stable" ? |
| 23:18.39 | enyc | (I haven't install etch from scratcht...) |
| 23:18.40 | Azar | streuner: for intel only, right? |
| 23:18.49 | _E-bola | Where do i get the binary arptables from in debian? |
| 23:18.50 | graytron | hasn't aptitude been the recommended way since sarge or woody? |
| 23:18.51 | streuner | Azar: whatever kernel you install, SMP is enabled by default |
| 23:18.53 | _E-bola | cant find it in any pacakges in stable |
| 23:19.00 | _E-bola | ohh nm doh |
| 23:19.02 | Gm4n | I just installed etch from scratch on a different computer, let me look |
| 23:19.17 | rahul | graytron: er, did it exist in sarge? |
| 23:19.19 | streuner | oh, that makes sence then |
| 23:19.20 | enyc | Gm4n: thanks ;-) |
| 23:19.29 | Azar | enyc: no , default allways go with "stable".. but I practice the change for the "toynames" not to be surprised by a new release |
| 23:19.49 | graytron | rahul: i thought so |
| 23:19.50 | Azar | streuner: and kn was scrapped? |
| 23:19.59 | streuner | "kn"? |
| 23:20.05 | Azar | K7, K8 |
| 23:20.18 | Azar | amd arch |
| 23:20.34 | Gm4n | enyc: a new etch install references etch, not stable |
| 23:20.50 | Azar | oh cool |
| 23:21.04 | enyc | Azar: hrrm Gm4n said something contradictory to you ;-) |
| 23:21.16 | enyc | Gm4n: thats more sensible ;-) |
| 23:21.25 | Azar | enyc: because I never used the Etch installer, I just upgraded |
| 23:21.37 | Azar | Gm4n: did you installed the new kernel? |
| 23:21.40 | Gm4n | this is a brand new etch install on a brand new computer |
| 23:21.44 | Gm4n | I'm about to |
| 23:21.54 | Gm4n | soon as I figure out which one |
| 23:22.06 | Azar | Gm4n: what bootloader you got? lilo? |
| 23:22.15 | Gm4n | on which machine? |
| 23:22.28 | Azar | on the one with sarge/etch upgrade by mistake |
| 23:22.32 | Gm4n | hmm |
| 23:22.42 | Gm4n | whichever installed by default with sarge |
| 23:22.45 | Gm4n | grub, methings |
| 23:22.46 | Azar | on the one you ask for help |
| 23:22.47 | Gm4n | *methinks |
| 23:22.52 | Azar | ah ok |
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| 23:24.03 | Gm4n | I'm not positive, how do I check? |
| 23:24.11 | piztek | anyone here informed about devilspie? |
| 23:24.16 | Gm4n | ah, must be grub |
| 23:24.22 | Gm4n | there's /sbin/grub-* |
| 23:24.25 | Azar | Because of the many changes in the kernel between sarge and etch regarding drivers, hardware discovery and the naming and ordering of device files, there is a real risk that you may experience problems rebooting your system after the upgrade. << that why you READ and PREPARE before moving to Etch |
| 23:24.30 | enyc | Gm4n: what kini of cpu arch you using? |
| 23:24.51 | Gm4n | and older intel chip, I'm not sure about that either |
| 23:24.52 | Gm4n | -_- |
| 23:24.55 | baikonur | anyone using a Realtek 8169 (cardbus) ethernet card and can tell his experience? is it good supported under linux? |
| 23:25.04 | enyc | Gm4n: grub can be installed, but not in use... |
| 23:25.08 | Azar | Gm4n: then a 2.6.18 smp... linux-image |
| 23:25.10 | Rawplayer | can anyone give me advice about a mailserver that only should send email from localhost |
| 23:25.14 | rahul | better get a shower now |
| 23:25.17 | Rawplayer | so a lightweight mailserver preferred |
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| 23:25.24 | rahul | drunken geekery awaits |
| 23:25.31 | rahul | or maybe geeken drunkery |
| 23:25.33 | Azar | rahul: that's an invitation? |
| 23:25.37 | rahul | heh |
| 23:25.41 | rahul | only for julia |
| 23:25.50 | enyc | Gm4n: I would "apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686" ... |
| 23:25.54 | Azar | that's stoned's nickname? |
| 23:25.59 | Gm4n | linux-image-2.6-686-smp, right? |
| 23:26.06 | Azar | Gm4n: right |
| 23:26.07 | enyc | rahul: you might want ssmtp |
| 23:26.08 | Gm4n | apt-get, not aptitude? |
| 23:26.16 | stoned | ok im back |
| 23:26.18 | Azar | aptitude |
| 23:26.46 | enyc | Gm4n: I think that the -smp kernels just link to the normal image... they are all compiled with smp now iirc |
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| 23:26.46 | Azar | stoned: you better readup |
| 23:26.46 | stoned | home sweet home |
| 23:26.48 | stoned | nah fuck readin man im gonna indulge in a bit of tokage |
| 23:26.52 | Gm4n | installing =) |
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| 23:27.12 | stoned | its a beautiful day outside |
| 23:27.16 | enyc | rahul: well ssmtp may install a simple "sendmail" with another external host for smtp service... do you really need TCP/25 listener? |
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| 23:27.20 | stoned | evening rather, very nice cool strong breeze |
| 23:27.33 | Azar | stoned: here too, first cloudy day in 250 days |
| 23:27.37 | enyc | errr |
| 23:27.41 | enyc | rahul: wrong person ;-) |
| 23:27.59 | enyc | Rawplayer: well ssmtp may install a simple "sendmail" with another external host for smtp service... do you really need TCP/25 listener? |
| 23:28.00 | Azar | rahul: you been humped for a while :) |
| 23:28.01 | stoned | lol |
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| 23:28.26 | Azar | well he needed some anyways.. |
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| 23:28.51 | stoned | lol |
| 23:28.56 | spheard | whats the best way to get a display of cpu loads over a day? I have about 3 or 4 servers I want to look a |
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| 23:29.23 | Gm4n | it says please purge the hotplug package... will it break anything if I do? |
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| 23:30.01 | Azar | Gm4n: go with it, there are replacements for it |
| 23:30.07 | JT | the deb packages for apache: apache2 and apache2.2-common, what's the difference? they conflict but provide the same version of apache (2.2.3) |
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| 23:30.18 | Azar | etch uses udev instead |
| 23:30.54 | Azar | JT maybe security packages for it |
| 23:31.17 | Gm4n | is linux-headers-2.6.18-4-486 the right headers to be installing? |
| 23:31.21 | pipeline | JT: apache2 is a transitional package |
| 23:33.07 | JT | pipeline: so should it not be used? |
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| 23:39.43 | MajorPoopyPants | ok so if forced to choose between a p4 2.6 with HT and a p4 3.6 without HT, which would be the better choice for use on a debian server |
| 23:41.03 | CompWizrd | what is the server doing? |
| 23:41.18 | CompWizrd | and i don't remember there being a 3.6 without HT, but whichever :) |
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| 23:41.40 | Ankman | http://flickr.com/photos/urban_data/766589103/in/pool-graffitiresearchlab/ |
| 23:42.26 | MajorPoopyPants | the server will be doing apache/php, shoutcast, occasional video compression |
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| 23:44.54 | Gm4n | now that I installed a new kernel, removed whatever it wanted removed, and installed the kernel headers too.... should I reboot? |
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| 23:45.44 | Mattz0r | just double check the grub.conf to make sure the new kernel is in there... if it is, then yes its safe to reboot |
| 23:45.46 | vorpal | moment of truth! |
| 23:46.01 | MajorPoopyPants | ok so if forced to choose between a p4 2.6 with HT and a p4 3.6 without HT, which would be the better choice for use on a debian server |
| 23:46.04 | MajorPoopyPants | the server will be doing apache/php, shoutcast, occasional video compression |
| 23:47.13 | repyskichboarder | Buona notte |
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| 23:47.26 | vorpal | MajorPoopyPants: assuming you are referriing to clock speed, it is not info |
| 23:47.38 | vorpal | hnot eniugh |
| 23:47.39 | Fuzzy | MajorPoopyPants, skip both of those |
| 23:47.54 | Fuzzy | get your self a real core 2 |
| 23:47.57 | Mattz0r | just use ur own initiative.... go with AMD :D |
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| 23:48.11 | Mattz0r | AMD = ftw |
| 23:48.16 | Ankman | MajorPoopyPants: i have a poor 128 MB (dynamically 256 MB) 400 MHZ vserver doing that, often throwing erros at me of no memory for certain tasks. but run icecast, FTP, video streaming (if some one wants to see), mail and other stuff on it |
| 23:48.25 | Fuzzy | just as soon as they quit falsifing reports of their new processors sure |
| 23:48.34 | Mattz0r | lol |
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| 23:48.57 | Fuzzy | don't get me wrong, i like amd for a few reasons, servers isn't one of them |
| 23:49.00 | MajorPoopyPants | I have a core2duo 1.86 but I use that for gaming and my desktop |
| 23:49.14 | vorpal | MajorPoopyPants: clock speed is not everything. |
| 23:49.30 | Fuzzy | yea but short stepping pipelines ( read core 2 ) are everything |
| 23:49.34 | Mattz0r | AuthenticAMD Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3100+, 1808MHz <-- i had one of them doing video streaming |
| 23:50.31 | Fuzzy | cough *Clovertown* cough |
| 23:50.31 | vorpal | Fuzzy: short stepping? |
| 23:50.47 | MajorPoopyPants | how much is smp a factor in doing these things |
| 23:50.53 | epsilon | I never had good experience with Semprons or Celerons :-/ |
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| 23:50.55 | dmorris_ | is the apache2 mysql auth mod packaged in etch? |
| 23:51.00 | Fuzzy | vorpal, in core 2 intel reduced the amount of steps to get in and out of the processor to a 14 step pipeline |
| 23:51.14 | Fuzzy | vs. the 36 step in cedar mill |
| 23:51.17 | epsilon | dmorris_: apt-cache search |
| 23:51.19 | Fuzzy | or the 24 step in prescott |
| 23:51.20 | Rawplayer | enyc: i have smail already |
| 23:51.25 | Rawplayer | enyc: thanks anyway |
| 23:51.27 | MajorPoopyPants | how about in northwood? |
| 23:51.31 | Fuzzy | 24 step |
| 23:51.36 | stoned | 12 |
| 23:51.40 | epsilon | I have northwood ATM |
| 23:51.40 | stoned | AA |
| 23:51.47 | stoned | I have a core 3 duo |
| 23:51.52 | stoned | 2 |
| 23:52.01 | MajorPoopyPants | so is northwood > prescott overall or no? |
| 23:52.05 | Fuzzy | no |
| 23:52.06 | piztek | god please devilpie help! |
| 23:52.15 | stoned | piztek: what |
| 23:52.18 | Fuzzy | prescott is a decent chip |
| 23:52.22 | stoned | ask and ye shall recieve |
| 23:52.23 | Fuzzy | cedar mills are a joke |
| 23:52.24 | vorpal | Fuzzy: it seems that a short pipeline would have pros and cons |
| 23:52.29 | piztek | stoned can you help me with a devilspie question |
| 23:52.33 | epsilon | prescott is the successor, faster and *hotter* |
| 23:52.35 | MajorPoopyPants | how about an overclocked celeron w 256 l2? |
| 23:52.39 | stoned | what/ |
| 23:52.40 | vorpal | Fuzzy: a stall would last longer, for instance |
| 23:52.43 | piztek | it was working, made a startup shortcut in sessions, now it doesn't work |
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| 23:52.50 | Fuzzy | vorpal: history has proved that a shorter pipeline has serious benifits |
| 23:52.51 | MajorPoopyPants | celeron prescott core |
| 23:52.52 | stoned | you know whats better than having a 3.5ghz cpu? |
| 23:52.55 | epsilon | MajorPoopyPants: Celerons stay Celerons |
| 23:53.06 | stoned | having a 3.5ghz core 2 cpu |
| 23:53.11 | cafuego | stoned: have a life |
| 23:53.14 | Fuzzy | vorpal, look into the alpha chips with their 4 and 8 step pipelines |
| 23:53.15 | stoned | cafuego: hehe |
| 23:53.48 | stoned | I need faster ralm |
| 23:53.57 | vorpal | Fuzzy: the only pipeline i know about is the one taught in comp. arch. ! |
| 23:54.04 | stoned | I got 800mhz right now, I'm sure I ccould get at leat 3.8ghz out of this thing |
| 23:54.15 | rahul | heh |
| 23:54.16 | Fuzzy | vorpal, the key to the whole processor game is that both intel and amd are both right, but for different reasons. Yes the memory controller on die is a good idea, but the shared cache is really really really good idea |
| 23:54.18 | stoned | 300mhz more |
| 23:54.22 | rahul | !penixstrike Azar |
| 23:54.23 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Azar to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 23:54.24 | vorpal | i.e. hennessy and patterson |
| 23:54.25 | stoned | thats all I need |
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| 23:54.39 | Fuzzy | vorpal <- former intel debug tech |
| 23:54.43 | stoned | cafuego: they are both important |
| 23:54.45 | rahul | oh my |
| 23:54.53 | rahul | my JC girl texted me |
| 23:54.58 | cafuego | stoned: i tend to run otu of ram before anything else |
| 23:55.03 | Fuzzy | anyways i gotta get back to work |
| 23:55.05 | cafuego | stoned: death by swapping out |
| 23:55.09 | vorpal | Fuzzy: ah, cool. shared cache between cores? |
| 23:55.11 | stoned | same here |
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| 23:55.15 | stoned | I got 2gb righ tnow |
| 23:55.18 | Azar | whatever 486 means |
| 23:55.22 | epsilon | Am I the only one confused by all these C2D variations? all numers of the 4 digits means own (sub)version - I lost coun which is "new" or "better/faster" |
| 23:55.29 | Fuzzy | vorpal, yea core 2 has shared cache between the cores, so if the process migrates cores there is no cache miss |
| 23:55.31 | Azar | hehe rahul... |
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| 23:55.37 | stoned | I'm gonna sell these 4 sticks of 512 each and get 2x1gb 800 |
| 23:55.42 | vorpal | Fuzzy: nice |
| 23:55.47 | rahul | she's always putting a smiley after her texts |
| 23:55.49 | Fuzzy | it's very nice |
| 23:55.51 | cafuego | epsilon: Depending on what you use it for, the amd64 is probably better/faster. |
| 23:55.57 | vorpal | Fuzzy: however, i would hope that the cache is larger |
| 23:55.58 | Fuzzy | but let's not take any light from the memory controller on die |
| 23:55.59 | stoned | then later I'm going to put in 2x1gb more for 4gb ram |
| 23:56.01 | rahul | I could imagine she dots her i's with circles |
| 23:56.01 | cafuego | certainly far cheaper per unit of work done |
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| 23:56.20 | stoned | 3500mhz c2d + 4gb ram |
| 23:56.25 | Fuzzy | vorpal, so like i said, the first one to get shared cache and a memory controller on chip is going to rule the x86 world for a while |
| 23:56.26 | rahul | she is a jewelry designer after all |
| 23:56.36 | stoned | that ought to be a sweet machine, and soon as I get my 8000 i'll be set |
| 23:56.40 | Fuzzy | vorpal, unless cell and powerpc finally get the respect they deserve |
| 23:56.50 | stoned | Azar: yeh, rahul is lame |
| 23:56.55 | Azar | :) |
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| 23:56.57 | rahul | heh |
| 23:56.59 | stoned | Azar: rahul talks about girls |
| 23:57.00 | Fuzzy | vorpal ( i believe cell has both shared cache and memory controller on die ) |
| 23:57.03 | stoned | bah, what a tool |
| 23:57.08 | stoned | I talk computers |
| 23:57.09 | stoned | :D |
| 23:57.11 | Supaplex | is there a gtk/qt/x app that will prompt me for an ssh password so it'll run a remote X app? like ssh -nX host app &>/dev/null + prompt me for the password. |
| 23:57.11 | rahul | heh |
| 23:57.23 | vorpal | Fuzzy: from personal experience, i can tell you that cell is going to need better software tools |
| 23:57.23 | rahul | no, I _have_ a tool |
| 23:57.27 | Azar | stoned: yea and you reply with comments about your sweet machine |
| 23:57.29 | rahul | (ahem) |
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| 23:57.31 | stoned | 3500ghz cpu > girl |
| 23:57.32 | stoned | . |
| 23:57.39 | Fuzzy | vorpal, true that, but the concept is just incredible |
| 23:57.49 | Supaplex | stoned: I'd have to agree. |
| 23:57.49 | rahul | stoned: two is more fun than one |
| 23:57.52 | stoned | i don't care how hot you are, thats a good round number speed to have |
| 23:58.04 | stoned | thats like a cpu so fast its instant |
| 23:58.10 | Fuzzy | so what do you call a girl with a pair of clovertowns? |
| 23:58.12 | Azar | let's just sit at a round table like in that 70 show |
| 23:58.14 | rahul | model name : AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 250 |
| 23:58.15 | stoned | damn cpu can think faster then nerve conduction velocity |
| 23:58.15 | vorpal | Fuzzy: true... my boss was sold on it, and allocated 6 months of my life to it |
| 23:58.16 | Supaplex | stoned: upgrading soon? |
| 23:58.21 | stoned | Supaplex: trying to |
| 23:58.27 | pab | hi, i hvae this problem while booting: mount failed for selinuxfs on /selinux: no such device INIT:cannot excecute "7etc/init.d/rc" |
| 23:58.36 | rahul | Fuzzy: a build host? |
| 23:58.39 | Supaplex | stoned: holding your breath for that cpu? :) |
| 23:58.41 | Fuzzy | rahul, my xen host? |
| 23:58.44 | Fuzzy | :] |
| 23:58.47 | CompWizrd | rahul: i have two servesr with dual 265's, i'm disappointed the upgrade path is so expensive :) |
| 23:58.48 | stoned | Supaplex: nah man, I'm gonn ainvent it |
| 23:58.50 | rahul | heh |
| 23:58.57 | stoned | Supaplex: instead of electricity it will use optical signals |
| 23:59.03 | rahul | CompWizrd: shrug, it's the company's box. |
| 23:59.07 | Fuzzy | stoned, why dont' you get the new ppc chip it's clocked @ 4.7 ghz |
| 23:59.17 | rahul | CompWizrd: if they want to buy something better, they'll do that :) |
| 23:59.18 | stoned | and gate logic is similar to transistor logic but its gonna be like all optical and with lights and lasers and such |
| 23:59.19 | Supaplex | stoned: how fast does electricity travel vs light? |
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| 23:59.26 | Fuzzy | Supaplex, ur mean |
| 23:59.26 | stoned | umm |
| 23:59.28 | rahul | Supaplex: depends on the wire |
| 23:59.31 | Fuzzy | no |
| 23:59.39 | rahul | Supaplex: and what you're define as electricity |
| 23:59.41 | Fuzzy | they travel at the same speed |
| 23:59.45 | Supaplex | I think the issue is, propagation delay. |
| 23:59.47 | stoned | electricity travels at the speed of light? |
| 23:59.59 | Fuzzy | so i've been told |
