| 00:00.09 | Azar | stoned: look at lightning and think electricity |
| 00:00.13 | rahul | Fuzzy: in theory they travel at the same speed |
| 00:00.17 | stoned | i mean the flow of electrons is slower than a energized photons? |
| 00:00.20 | stoned | or am I wrong? |
| 00:00.28 | Fuzzy | http://amasci.com/miscon/speed.html |
| 00:00.38 | rahul | technically, it IS the same flow |
| 00:00.42 | rahul | just at different frequenciesd |
| 00:00.45 | stoned | talking about the medium, because the electrons run into resitance from the metal |
| 00:00.48 | stoned | or the medium |
| 00:00.54 | rahul | stoned: not resistance, capacitance |
| 00:01.02 | epsilon | but IIRC the electrons in copper cable is only moving with few cm/sec? |
| 00:01.10 | rahul | epsilon: but that's not electric signals |
| 00:01.17 | pab | hi, i hvae this problem while booting: mount failed for selinuxfs on /selinux: no such device INIT:cannot excecute "7etc/init.d/rc" |
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| 00:01.20 | rahul | epsilon: they push electrons in front of them |
| 00:01.29 | stoned | rahul: you sure? |
| 00:01.31 | rahul | pab: 7? |
| 00:01.34 | rahul | stoned: yes |
| 00:01.36 | Supaplex | that's why I asked. to get you thinking. :) worry about propagation delay. if light is just as fast, but has lousy propagaton delay in circuit switching, what's the point? never mind light can cross the same physical paths. |
| 00:01.49 | stoned | I think its resistance from the metal, thats why shit gets hot |
| 00:01.49 | rahul | stoned: resistance is the reduction in voltage |
| 00:01.54 | pab | rahul: sorry that 7 doesnt go |
| 00:01.59 | vorpal | stoned, it's not actually electrons that makes a circuit work. it's electrical potential |
| 00:02.03 | stoned | its been AGES since I took physics |
| 00:02.06 | rahul | stoned: it's orthogonal |
| 00:02.08 | Supaplex | resistance creates heat, it takes work to get through it. |
| 00:02.15 | rahul | Azar: YES /. has the TRUTH |
| 00:02.21 | rahul | Supaplex: but not time |
| 00:02.23 | pab | rahul: can i repare it? what should i do? |
| 00:02.28 | Azar | and I was _right_ all this time! |
| 00:02.40 | Azar | rahul ma man, read the article |
| 00:02.48 | rahul | pab: pass init=/bin/sh or something on the kernel bootup line |
| 00:03.12 | Supaplex | !tell pab -about single |
| 00:03.16 | rahul | pab: edit, sync, mount / -o remount,ro and then init 6 |
| 00:03.18 | Azar | I am the living proof, that smoking is NOT killing |
| 00:03.22 | Fuzzy | So anyone hear anything new on the debian microsoft rumor? |
| 00:03.25 | rahul | Azar: I don't read /. |
| 00:03.41 | rahul | Fuzzy: I heard a rumor that there is no rumor |
| 00:03.42 | Supaplex | Fuzzy: are you serious? smells like troll bait. |
| 00:03.52 | pab | rahul: that on grub? |
| 00:03.52 | vorpal | Azar: yes but your lungs are black and you stink |
| 00:03.53 | Azar | rahul: you rabid fanatic read this then: http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/06/nicotine |
| 00:03.54 | Fuzzy | hehe |
| 00:03.57 | bipolar | does anyone here know how to spawn a process and automate it with expect, then keep it running in the background even if the script closes? I'm trying to build an init script for the eval version of sybase, but it requires you to ack that it's an eval version by hitting 'Y' before it will run. |
| 00:04.03 | Fuzzy | Supaplex, that's not bait, that's the whole cow |
| 00:04.09 | bipolar | maybe there is a better way to do it? |
| 00:04.09 | pab | rahul> pab: pass init=/bin/sh or something on the kernel bootup line |
| 00:04.10 | pab | 02:02 < Supaplex> !tell pab -about single |
| 00:04.10 | pab | 02:02 < rahul> pab: edit, sync, mount / -o remount,ro and then init 6 |
| 00:04.15 | Azar | Fuzzy: we here ignore any other OS-es there, never discuss them |
| 00:04.17 | rahul | Azar: nicotine means /. is true? |
| 00:04.30 | rahul | ANYWAY |
| 00:04.34 | Azar | rahul: no, the article is true, not the site |
| 00:04.35 | Fuzzy | Azar, that's a load of crap, what happens when someone asks a samba question |
| 00:04.37 | Supaplex | bipolar: screen ? |
| 00:04.38 | rahul | geeken drunkery awaits |
| 00:04.47 | Azar | Fuzzy: is samba an OS? |
| 00:04.49 | rahul | Azar: the speed of the front is light-like |
| 00:04.55 | vorpal | Azar: do you think having tar-coated lungs is going to help in any way? |
| 00:05.04 | Fuzzy | Azar, no but it does talk to windows incase you've decided to skip over that brain cell |
| 00:05.05 | Iridos | hm? |
| 00:05.06 | rahul | Azar: an index of refraction applies, of course |
| 00:05.11 | guogou | tde0pöohug9uyi |
| 00:05.15 | Azar | vorpal: that's bull, my family smokes from like forever.. |
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| 00:05.34 | Azar | nobody in my family died of lung issues, or cancer.. |
| 00:05.35 | vorpal | Azar: i bet you can't run 50 yards without being winded |
| 00:05.45 | rahul | Azar: and there are diffraction effects to consider, as it's not a coherent wave |
| 00:06.19 | Azar | vorpal: wrong, I played on my school football team until I fell one day and screwed my back |
| 00:06.30 | bipolar | Supaplex: hmm.... |
| 00:06.39 | rahul | lots of singers I know smoke |
| 00:06.54 | Azar | yea and they need good breath to scream... so.. |
| 00:06.55 | bipolar | Supaplex: that might work. I'll give it a shot. |
| 00:07.11 | rahul | Azar: no, they need me on top of them to scream |
| 00:07.14 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.18 | Azar | hahaha |
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| 00:07.27 | Azar | Gm4n-away: how is going? |
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| 00:07.59 | Gm4n | seems to be working fine =) |
| 00:08.02 | Azar | awww you will be missed |
| 00:08.12 | stoned | man this is too gay |
| 00:08.13 | Gm4n | in case you didn't guess, I'm on IRC through the same computer that just got the kernel upgrade |
| 00:08.15 | Azar | Gm4n: so update/upgrade works with no errors now ? |
| 00:08.20 | Gm4n | yep |
| 00:08.22 | Gm4n | perfeclty =) |
| 00:08.23 | Azar | cool |
| 00:08.27 | stoned | rahul: go away :/ |
| 00:08.34 | rahul | stoned: at least I don't do it IRL, just in IRC :P |
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| 00:08.56 | rahul | and ass slapping is perfectly straight. look at sports players. |
| 00:09.11 | stoned | do I look like a sports player? |
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| 00:09.15 | rahul | heh |
| 00:09.17 | rahul | do I? |
| 00:09.23 | xacier | how do i check my debian version? |
| 00:09.27 | stoned | !version |
| 00:09.27 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 00:09.29 | rahul | xacier: /etc/debian_version |
| 00:09.30 | Azar | I don't mind a tiny slap |
| 00:09.39 | rahul | what about a squeeze? |
| 00:09.49 | stoned | dude no one but my mom or my gf ever get close to my ass |
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| 00:09.58 | stoned | first in life I used to get spanked by my mom |
| 00:10.03 | rahul | heh |
| 00:10.07 | stoned | and then later on my gf started spankin me |
| 00:10.11 | rahul | !! |
| 00:10.11 | dpkg | i heard ! is I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
| 00:10.15 | Azar | xacier: also /etc/debian_version |
| 00:10.18 | stoned | so its like |
| 00:10.25 | stoned | you know |
| 00:10.26 | rahul | Azar: I already said that :P |
| 00:10.37 | rahul | GEEKEN DRUNKERY, HO!!!!!!! |
| 00:10.37 | Azar | rahul: you are 2 min smarter than me |
| 00:10.53 | pab | rahul:it tells me error, i wrote init=/bin/sh before |
| 00:10.54 | rahul | enough of this silliness |
| 00:11.04 | stoned | yeh so I was right |
| 00:11.08 | Azar | rahul: >> to the pub |
| 00:11.10 | stoned | electcity travels at the speed of light |
| 00:11.20 | Azar | :) |
| 00:11.21 | stoned | 186k m/s |
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| 00:11.36 | stoned | but due to impedance, resistance, and all that, its slows down |
| 00:11.43 | stoned | still not as fast as light itself |
| 00:12.14 | stoned | so an optical cpu might be better |
| 00:13.03 | Azar | my my canonical gets kudos all over the news.. |
| 00:13.11 | stoned | http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=12403 |
| 00:13.17 | xacier | is there a util that cleans up the os maybe defrag or garbage collection? |
| 00:13.19 | stoned | lookit this |
| 00:13.25 | Azar | looking |
| 00:13.29 | stoned | Israeli startup – Lenslet – has developed an optical DSP that can perform eight trillion operations per second. |
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| 00:13.41 | pab | rahul: yes, i did it, the init=/bin/sh now i am on initramfs |
| 00:14.06 | pab | rahul: what should i do now? |
| 00:14.53 | Azar | wow nice |
| 00:15.02 | Iridos | what? |
| 00:15.20 | Azar | pab: rahul left.. |
| 00:15.31 | pab | Azar: what shouldi do? |
| 00:15.35 | osmosis_ | how do I start a newly configured eth1 interface? |
| 00:15.45 | Azar | pab: rahul is 4 min smarter than me... sorry I don't know |
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| 00:15.55 | Iridos | stick your arm in a meat grinder :) |
| 00:16.07 | pab | Azar: i hvae this problem while booting: mount failed for selinuxfs on /selinux: no such device INIT:cannot excecute "/etc/init.d/rc" |
| 00:16.09 | Azar | awww not nice |
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| 00:16.21 | cafuego | stoned: i just discovered what's better than a 3.8GHz cpu |
| 00:16.26 | stoned | 2 girls? |
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| 00:16.31 | Azar | pab: I dont' know what is selinux |
| 00:16.36 | vorpal | stoned: i'd settle for one |
| 00:16.38 | stoned | at the same time? |
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| 00:16.39 | Iridos | Azar: secure linux... |
| 00:16.48 | Supaplex | cafuego: he didn't say 3.8ghz. he said 3800ghz |
| 00:16.49 | cafuego | a cpu with less than 10grams of dust in its heatsink |
| 00:16.52 | Azar | Iridos: thanks... |
| 00:16.53 | Iridos | Azar: security enhanced... kernel, I think... |
| 00:17.06 | Iridos | not so sure... never used it |
| 00:17.08 | stoned | I just picked a number man |
| 00:17.13 | stoned | 50000ghz |
| 00:17.16 | stoned | whatever |
| 00:17.16 | baikonur | anyone using a Realtek 8169 (cardbus) ethernet card and can tell his experience? or name a good supported fast/gigabit ethernet cardbus card? |
| 00:17.22 | osmosis_ | how do I start a newly configured eth1 interface? |
| 00:17.34 | Iridos | stoned: 2 girls could be worse than 1 :) |
| 00:17.38 | Azar | pab: I guess you have to start your question over and someone else, who knows more than me to start helping you |
| 00:17.40 | vorpal | stoned x GHz, one hot and ready girl. your pick |
| 00:17.42 | Supaplex | baikonur: cardbus is pointless on gigabit. max throughput is 54mbit |
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| 00:17.51 | Iridos | stoned: e.g. if they fight with each other all the time |
| 00:18.05 | xacier | hmmm, i am still usin 450MHZ |
| 00:18.08 | stoned | lol |
| 00:18.10 | CompWizrd | eh, cardbus goes over 54mbit.. it's PCI based, after all |
| 00:18.11 | teksimian | hey, how come dump isnt in the base system? what should i be using to do backups with? |
| 00:18.13 | CompWizrd | pcmcia was limited though |
| 00:18.14 | stoned | I have an ancient laptop |
| 00:18.16 | xacier | 50000ghz? |
| 00:18.19 | stoned | 25.33mhz |
| 00:18.25 | stoned | 4mb ram, 80mb hdd |
| 00:18.37 | stoned | the best money had to offer in 1992 |
| 00:18.38 | baikonur | Supaplex: can't you transfer 133 MB/s with cardbus? |
| 00:18.48 | Supaplex | let's find out |
| 00:19.01 | CompWizrd | yeah, 32bit, 33mhz pci |
| 00:19.07 | Iridos | vorpal: what's the 3rd alternative? |
| 00:19.09 | xacier | as long as it still moves, i ain't buyin a new one |
| 00:19.20 | CompWizrd | 132MB/s theorectically |
| 00:19.36 | teksimian | anyone? |
| 00:19.36 | hopecon | bueller? |
| 00:19.37 | xacier | wtf do people need a 5ghz machine for? |
| 00:19.40 | osmosis | how do I start a newly configured eth1 interface? |
| 00:19.41 | vorpal | Iridos: a computer that can make a holodeck |
| 00:19.48 | Iridos | hmm |
| 00:20.06 | Iridos | guess that one... |
| 00:20.11 | vorpal | hehe |
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| 00:20.26 | osmosis | ifup or something ? |
| 00:20.27 | Iridos | the girl gets old, the computer gets outdated |
| 00:20.29 | xacier | i figured my imac still can play music cd |
| 00:20.33 | Iridos | or was it the other way around? |
| 00:20.50 | xacier | other than that it is a piece of crap built by apple inc |
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| 00:21.25 | cafuego | xacier: a faster cpu can process media files a tad quicker than slower ones, I find. |
| 00:21.31 | baikonur | I'm just trying to find a good supported ethernet cardbus card. but it's not that simple. I found out that Netgear's GA511 has a Realtek 8169, though I read in some forums that people are running this card with ndiswrapper. I don't like buying hardware |
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| 00:21.58 | cafuego | xacier: and converting svg to pdf takes *forever* on a 600Mhz box, quicker is better. |
| 00:22.04 | xacier | yes if you do graphics |
| 00:22.35 | xacier | what are those svg's? |
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| 00:22.50 | graytron | and gentoo |
| 00:22.53 | cafuego | dynamic generated reports |
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| 00:23.22 | xacier | oh ok i thought it is some mathematics formula or something |
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| 00:23.40 | Supaplex | baikonur: you're right. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardbus#CardBus |
| 00:24.20 | Supaplex | baikonur: the ne2k and clones should be more compatible. I had a xircom card so many ages ago |
| 00:24.44 | cafuego | xacier: No, 'scalable vector graphics' |
| 00:25.07 | xacier | are you a w3c developer? |
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| 00:25.11 | cafuego | nope |
| 00:25.12 | xacier | or user? |
| 00:25.13 | baikonur | Supaplex: I bought a 100Mbps 16 bit pcmcia ethernet card once though :-) |
| 00:25.41 | Supaplex | I have a 100mbit usb 1.1 nic to, but we all know... it sucks like a 10mbit one. :P |
| 00:25.45 | stoned | I once bought some chocolates for a girl, but ate them all before I got to her house |
| 00:25.52 | xacier | oh ok |
| 00:26.12 | baikonur | hehe stoned |
| 00:26.22 | scrillaz | hehehe |
| 00:26.54 | baikonur | Supaplex: hard to find out which chipsets are used. the vendors don't care to supply any additional information |
| 00:27.32 | CompWizrd | i'd expect it to be similar to standard PCI support, at least you're not trying to find a 54g wireless card, heh |
| 00:27.41 | Supaplex | baikonur: I might have a 10/100mbit linksys floating around here. the clip on the dongle is worn (it falls out depending how you tug on the cable) |
| 00:27.56 | CompWizrd | for 100mbit, i used the realport units, they were nice and easy to work with |
| 00:28.14 | cafuego | yup |
| 00:28.30 | CompWizrd | they were great, no worries about breaking it |
| 00:28.31 | Supaplex | yea. I've only had xircom and linksys (long before cisco snatched them up) |
| 00:28.38 | CompWizrd | cause it was 5-10 dollars more for another one off ebay :) |
| 00:29.02 | Supaplex | I was lucky. I got it with my laptop. |
| 00:29.03 | teksimian | SO What do i use to do backups with in debian? |
| 00:29.04 | cafuego | but they were a bitch of you needed them *and* a wifi card |
| 00:29.14 | baikonur | Supaplex: why did they produce these dongle cards anyway? the dongle breaks so easily |
| 00:29.17 | Supaplex | I later sold off that laptop with a smaller hdd and no xircom in it :) |
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| 00:29.46 | CompWizrd | my girlfriend did break one or two of the xircoms |
| 00:29.48 | Supaplex | baikonur: why is printer ink so steep? |
| 00:29.49 | stoned | Supaplex: know any good resources or tips for web designers |
| 00:29.54 | CompWizrd | but then again, her laptop is missing most of its screws, so you can picture what kind of a life the laptop has led. |
| 00:29.54 | Supaplex | wow. she must be rought. |
| 00:29.55 | stoned | sites i mean |
| 00:30.04 | CompWizrd | and to make it even worse, it was a dell inspiron 2500 |
| 00:30.20 | CompWizrd | i'm impressed the screen was still attached after the 6-7 years it spent in a backpack or carry bag |
| 00:30.20 | cafuego | baikonur: some laptops only have a single pcmcia slot, so bigger cards wouldn't fit.. and people don't always want to use up 2 slots for just one card. |
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| 00:30.39 | baikonur | cafuego: yeah that's right |
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| 00:30.53 | Supaplex | stoned: not entirely. you know my sites. I go for a light weight and easy to work with approach. I avoid php where possible, and sometimes use perl to. |
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| 00:31.03 | Supaplex | !tell teksimian -about sucks |
| 00:31.07 | Supaplex | heh. just for fun. :P |
| 00:31.07 | cafuego | i used to have to swap to a 3com if i needed to use my firewire card as well as the network |
| 00:31.20 | simonrvn | we didn't ask you to be here teksimian |
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| 00:31.34 | simonrvn | too bad he's gone, he'd get an earful |
| 00:31.44 | cafuego | and earful of cheese! |
| 00:31.51 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 00:32.04 | Supaplex | !breastfeed teksimian |
| 00:32.25 | simonrvn | ok ok, he *is* gone after all |
| 00:32.34 | Supaplex | I know. :) |
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| 00:32.58 | pab | Supaplex: ok, and once i boot in single user mod, what should i do, i have the same init.d/rc error |
| 00:33.10 | Supaplex | !single |
| 00:33.10 | dpkg | single is, like, 'single user mode' to boot for recovery/rescue. man init, or boot with "single" as a kernel option. Also, init=/bin/bash if init is very brain dead. (filesystems are usually readonly and shell has no job control. unmount and reboot with care) |
| 00:33.16 | Supaplex | pab: you'll need init=/bin/sh |
| 00:33.29 | Supaplex | your init is busticated. |
| 00:33.30 | pab | Supaplex: what for? |
| 00:33.51 | Supaplex | sounds like your filesystem is either hosed, or you need to reinstall init. |
| 00:34.05 | simonrvn | package is sysvinit, FYI |
| 00:34.06 | Supaplex | ps, / is readonly on boot. (usually) |
| 00:34.26 | pab | Supaplex: so i cant do anything to rescue it? |
| 00:34.34 | Supaplex | you can |
| 00:34.39 | simonrvn | um, he's tell you *how* to fix it |
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| 00:34.54 | Supaplex | get to a root shell first |
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| 00:35.06 | Supaplex | I won't back fill you with all the 1389 possibilities |
| 00:35.17 | SAJChurchey | Anybody know how to make driver floppies for Etch? |
| 00:36.13 | Supaplex | SAJChurchey: which driver? |
| 00:36.20 | TrueDD | good night all |
| 00:36.23 | SAJChurchey | megaraid |
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| 00:36.51 | Supaplex | SAJChurchey: did you try expert mode? is megaraid on the installer? |
| 00:36.57 | simonrvn | don't the floppies have megaraid on them already? |
| 00:37.09 | simonrvn | i think so |
| 00:37.10 | SAJChurchey | hmmm...i'll try expert |
| 00:37.40 | simonrvn | they were in sarge, don't se why they'd remove that in etch |
| 00:37.49 | simonrvn | see* |
| 00:38.02 | Supaplex | I think it's one of a handfull of modules that might not load unless you poke them to |
| 00:38.06 | cafuego | no hardware manufactured after 1984 uses megaraid anymore |
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| 00:38.10 | Supaplex | stability/autodetection issues or something |
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| 00:38.54 | nima | Hello |
| 00:38.59 | simonrvn | probably. i have a card that uses that driver and locks up the machine every time the module loads |
| 00:39.06 | nima | I want to keep gnome, but remove totem-mozilla. However, aptitude wants to remove gnome when I try to remove totem-mozilla. Is there any way to gnome and get rid of totem-mozilla? |
| 00:39.17 | nima | keep* |
| 00:39.24 | simonrvn | 'gnome' is just a meta-package |
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| 00:40.02 | nima | Aye, but if I let it remove it, it also wants to remove everything gnome depends on |
| 00:40.10 | Wolfcastle | hello |
| 00:40.21 | xacier | probably gnome is using mozilla as their windoz |
| 00:40.27 | Supaplex | hehee |
| 00:40.29 | xacier | gee |
| 00:40.39 | Wolfcastle | when fsck is run on boot i get an error message saying "fsck died with exit status 3" |
| 00:40.45 | Wolfcastle | anyone knows what it means? |
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| 00:41.00 | Supaplex | xacier: don't encourrage them. they'll start using xul |
| 00:41.30 | Supaplex | Wolfcastle: any hints from google? sounds a little scarry. |
| 00:41.31 | xacier | never fsck on an encrypted partition, i did and you know what |
| 00:41.55 | Wolfcastle | Supaplex: I searched that error in google and there's nothing relevant |
| 00:42.01 | Supaplex | Wolfcastle: man fsck has hints. search for exit status. |
| 00:42.12 | Wolfcastle | Supaplex: ah thanx I'll do that |
| 00:42.13 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.13 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.21 | Supaplex | so both apply. 2+1=3 |
| 00:42.38 | Supaplex | is this the only time you saw this exit status? |
| 00:42.47 | Supaplex | or does it keep rebooting and doing the same? |
| 00:43.00 | Wolfcastle | Supaplex: nop almost every time it checks the file system on boot |
| 00:43.09 | Supaplex | exit status 1 is promising. |
| 00:43.11 | simonrvn | "The exit code returned when multiple file systems are checked is the bit-wise OR of the exit codes for each file system that is checked." |
| 00:43.35 | Wolfcastle | ok but then error 3 means errors were corrected |
| 00:43.39 | Wolfcastle | maybe it's not so bad |
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| 00:43.49 | Supaplex | so atleast one filesystem was corrected, but still needs rebooting. |
| 00:44.27 | SAJChurchey | Supaplex, megaraid is not listed in the selection when I go to detect the disks |
| 00:44.33 | Wolfcastle | ok excellent at least i know what it means now, thanx |
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| 00:46.22 | Matria | can anyone help me with an apache roblem on my debian box |
| 00:46.37 | Supaplex | !tell Matria -about ask |
| 00:47.11 | daeos | abrotman: got a simple question for you.... what is the major difference between plain debian... and the debian that used in knoppix? my friend is using knoppix and he's having a hard time with using apt-get and other programs. Is there a major difference? or is it just a distro that uses packages from other distros? |
| 00:47.47 | abrotman | without being too much of a dick .. that's a question for #knoppix :) |
| 00:48.19 | daeos | abrotman: "i really don't know" would have worked also |
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| 00:49.31 | abrotman | daeos: it wouldn't matter if i knew or not .. i'm not going to discuss it in here |
| 00:49.35 | Supaplex | !tell daeos -about based on debian |
| 00:49.43 | daeos | Supaplex: i do not need to read that |
| 00:49.55 | daeos | Supaplex: my question was directed at a specific person |
| 00:50.06 | Supaplex | ok. |
| 00:50.29 | Matria | how to i make apache2 in debian read a index.php file instead of index.htm |
| 00:50.45 | daeos | Matria: edit your config file |
| 00:51.00 | daeos | Matria: there is a line that has default pages to use... ie. index.html |
| 00:51.09 | dvs | DirectoryIndex |
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| 00:52.25 | daeos | Matria: edit your apache2.conf file.... |
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| 00:53.40 | Supaplex | SAJChurchey: I dind't find much in the install guide, but - someone asked that earlier. if you let us know your findings, I might thow a factoid at dpkg for easier use later. #debian-boot on freshmeat.net might have answers (though response times can be slow) |
| 00:54.26 | Matria | therse nothing in the apache2.conf file that looks like what i need to change |
| 00:54.27 | SAJChurchey | thanks Supaplex |
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| 00:55.08 | daeos | Matria: im looking .... |
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| 00:55.25 | daeos | Matria: its been about 2 years since i did that.. |
| 00:55.40 | waspius | hi does anyone know where i can find the repo for this libpigment0 |
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| 00:56.42 | epsilon | Matria: usualy I change the DirectoryIndex, HostnameLookups, removind alias... |
| 00:57.18 | Supaplex | Matria: if directoryindex isn't there, add it. keep it in the same container docroot is in (in the directory/location container that applies) |
| 00:58.21 | epsilon | Matria: look at /etc/apache2/mods-available(dir.conf |
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| 01:03.30 | cchance | guys, i havent installed stuff in a long time. i have make and build essential installed and ive cd'd into the vhcs directory and did make install but i dont know what to do next it didnt install any software any one else ever installed vhcs? |
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| 01:03.56 | cchance | do i have to do make install in each of the root directories? They all have make files |
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| 01:05.10 | cchance | their documentation is offline for somereason also otherwise i wouldent be here |
| 01:05.16 | abrotman | cchance: ask them |
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| 01:05.41 | cchance | yeah theyl charge me for it |
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| 01:06.39 | peterS | cchance: any software that comes with source but the source doesn't have build instructions in a README or INSTALL file is a pile of crap and you should tell them that |
| 01:07.04 | Turophile | Morning guys. I was wondering if there's a way on Debian to do a clean install on a system which someone toasted the install on, without the need for physical access? (We don't need to keep any of the data on the drive) |
| 01:07.11 | cchance | well i wish i could find another open source Webhosting script |
| 01:07.31 | abrotman | vi works |
| 01:07.32 | cchance | the onlything its got is a changelog |
| 01:07.36 | Turophile | cchance: what script are you using? |
| 01:07.47 | cchance | trying to install vhcs2 |
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| 01:07.56 | abrotman | Turophile: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 01:08.07 | Turophile | abrotman: Ah, so it's possible? Awesome :) |
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| 01:08.19 | abrotman | Turophile: if i understood your question correctly .. yes |
| 01:08.28 | abrotman | Turophile: the current install .. boots.. right ? |
| 01:08.36 | daeos | abrotman: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 01:08.39 | Turophile | Yep. Just some tool deleted python in a messy way |
| 01:08.43 | peterS | daeos: uh...? |
| 01:08.44 | abrotman | daeos: ? |
| 01:08.47 | daeos | err |
| 01:08.52 | daeos | hrm... |
| 01:08.56 | abrotman | you can stop now |
| 01:08.58 | daeos | must have been a hot key |
| 01:09.16 | peterS | I don't buy that. watch it. |
| 01:09.17 | Turophile | Unless there's a way to re-install python 2.4 from apt even though it's missing the /lib dir and py_compile.py ? |
| 01:09.27 | daeos | ? watch what |
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| 01:10.02 | Matria | cool for the .PHP working just trying to understand why it forwards to /apache2-default/ when its not in the apache2.conf any ideas |
| 01:10.08 | abrotman | Turophile: you can manually unpack it possibly |
| 01:10.12 | Turophile | cchance: Last time I check VHCS2, it ran fine... |
| 01:10.21 | cchance | not on my etch |
| 01:10.26 | cchance | how did you install it? |
| 01:10.30 | Turophile | abrotman: Ew. The idea of debootstrapping irks me less. |
| 01:10.37 | abrotman | Matria: it's in the included conf files |
| 01:10.38 | peterS | daeos: I don't really think you did that accidentally. if you're just trying to annoy people, consider this your first and last warning. i.e., don't do it again |
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| 01:11.33 | Turophile | mmm... by hand I Thought cchance :) |
| 01:11.41 | daeos | peterS: excuse me but i was not trying to annoy anyone |
| 01:12.06 | abrotman | cchance: there is a #vhcs |
| 01:12.17 | Turophile | Although cchance ... http://vhcs.net/new/modules/news/article.php?storyid=25 |
| 01:12.18 | cchance | no ones there |
| 01:12.31 | Turophile | I assume you tried that? |
| 01:12.35 | abrotman | there are eight people there |
| 01:12.38 | daeos | peterS: i noticed that i was still in trying to talk to abrotman , but forgot about it when i noticed the bootstrap link to dpkg and was going to ask dpkg about it.. abrotman knows i am not a troll nor do i pick on anyone. |
| 01:12.42 | Guerin | daeos: do not meddle in the affairs of peterS, for he is subtle and quick to anger |
| 01:12.50 | peterS | I am not subtle |
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| 01:13.03 | Guerin | so you ARE quick to anger |
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| 01:13.18 | peterS | anyway, daeos, if you don't do other things that look like you're trying to annoy people, you'll be fine |
| 01:13.30 | tekk | hi guys... is fat32 support in debian reliable? |
| 01:13.37 | daeos | peterS: i guess thats wht happens to me when im doing 3 things at once |
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| 01:13.47 | peterS | tekk: as far as I know. the linux 'vfat' filesystem hasn't failed me in the 10 years I've used it |
| 01:14.04 | Turophile | I also don't think it's changed in 10 years. It works well tekk. |
| 01:14.09 | peterS | tekk: (I think that's about how long vfat has included fat32 support) |
| 01:14.12 | tekk | good to know cheers =) |
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| 01:14.17 | Turophile | If you're using it on a dual boot, consider Ext2/3 and the Ext2 driver for Windows though. |
| 01:14.22 | tekk | doesnt make a difference that its a usb drive? |
| 01:14.26 | Gnu_raiz | ouch |
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| 01:14.29 | Turophile | Ah, no :) |
| 01:14.30 | dondelelcaro | tekk: nope |
| 01:14.50 | tekk | nice one :) would be mega hassle for me to get it to a journalling fs |
| 01:14.50 | peterS | tekk: I use the vfat filesystem on usb drives all the time. though my flash drive isn't big enough to warrant fat32, it is fat16 |
| 01:14.55 | Turophile | tekk: iirc the standard format for a usb-key (small usb drive) is vfat/fat32. |
| 01:14.58 | dondelelcaro | (though you can easily use ext2/3 on a usb drive if you don't care about anyone else using it) |
| 01:15.20 | cchance | i cant naviagte their support for some reason, Turophile can you give me a link to their installation instructions? |
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| 01:15.24 | Turophile | dondelelcaro: Er... Mac OS X can read Ext2? |
| 01:15.29 | Turophile | Also, Windows can read/write it. |
| 01:15.32 | abrotman | so can windows |
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| 01:16.07 | dondelelcaro | oh, sure; it usually requires slightly more work than if it was just vfat, though. |
| 01:16.21 | peterS | the problem with ext2 for removable media is that it has users and permissions. if the user names/IDs don't match between different systems, it is a PITA even when you _do_ use it exclusively on Linux boxes |
| 01:16.27 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:16.40 | tekk | its not a flash drive |
| 01:17.03 | tekk | but im gonna keep it in fat... why fix what isnt broken;) |
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| 01:17.36 | peterS | tekk: well, fat has annoying filename limitations, like you can't have ":" in a filename. if you don't mind _that_, and you don't mind not getting to use symlinks or turn on/off execute permission... |
| 01:18.10 | peterS | tekk: you might not think ":" is an important character in a filename, but I have tons of .ogg audio files that have : in their names |
| 01:18.25 | daeos | abrotman: i will appologize to you directly then, i was not trying to be annoying, i was, at that moment thinking about an item you told Turophile about, and was going to look at it , but forgot that i was also going to ask you if i could message you about the knoppix question outside of this channel... did not mean to 'repeat' what you said.... as you know from talking to be before, i do not troll, nor do i on purpose pick on anyone |
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| 01:18.38 | Turophile | peterS: I find adding "Turophile" with the ID "31337" is almost a certainty :P |
| 01:18.43 | tekk | i can almost guarantee none of the data has : in the file names or any special characters ;:p |
| 01:18.49 | tekk | and no file is over 4gb |
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| 01:19.02 | abrotman | daeos: you may troll .. but you imp! |
| 01:19.06 | abrotman | erm .. may not |
| 01:19.11 | Turophile | tekk: He means in general. |
| 01:19.16 | tekk | out of interest... which filesystem is actually better for data reliability fat or ext ? |
| 01:19.22 | tekk | or is it purely all opinion based |
| 01:19.26 | abrotman | tekk: have you ever used windows 95 ? |
| 01:19.30 | tekk | heh |
| 01:19.39 | daeos | ? |
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| 01:19.51 | Turophile | I can only respond with "lol" to that abrotman. |
| 01:19.52 | zinx | tekk: ext3 |
| 01:20.00 | peterS | tekk: it's mostly about what OS is writing the data. I'd trust both the ext2 and vfat Linux implementations. I don't know whether one is more solid than the other, to be honest |
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| 01:20.07 | waspius | anyone know of a media center?i tried elisa but i cannot install it |
| 01:20.14 | Turophile | zinx: I'd argue Ext4 is more reliable than Ext3. |
| 01:20.19 | Turophile | Er |
| 01:20.22 | Turophile | Ext4 > Fat32 |
| 01:20.24 | zinx | Turophile: perhaps so, but ext4 isn't in wide use |
| 01:20.24 | tekk | ok reiser vs ext? |
| 01:20.25 | Guerin | Turophile: impossible to argue |
| 01:20.34 | zinx | tekk: ext3 |
| 01:20.36 | peterS | tekk: reiserfs vs. anything at all, I would never bet on reiserfs |
| 01:20.39 | Turophile | Yeah, I meant Ext4 > Fat32 :P |
| 01:20.40 | Guerin | Turophile: since ext4 isn't mature enough to have been possibly tested |
| 01:20.49 | Guerin | Turophile: still impossible to argue. |
| 01:20.51 | Turophile | Guerin: And Fat32 is horrible :P |
| 01:20.59 | daeos | abrotman: i did not get your comment |
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| 01:21.07 | Guerin | Turophile: it's horrible, but outside of certain conditions it has proven very reliable. |
| 01:21.09 | peterS | Turophile: are you trying to say something nice about the Linux ext4 developers, or something mean about the Linux vfat developers? |
| 01:21.20 | abrotman | daeos: it's okay |
| 01:21.22 | zinx | tekk: note that i'm not going to claim ext2 is any more reliable than FAT, however. |
| 01:21.28 | Turophile | peterS: ext4 devs. I have a test box running it. |
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| 01:21.45 | Guerin | FWIW I found ricer4 very reliable |
| 01:22.00 | peterS | yeah by all reports, r4 is a lot less horrible than r3 |
| 01:22.00 | Guerin | though nine months doesn't really qualify as a sane amount of data |
| 01:22.01 | Turophile | Yeah, but RicerFS has always been good :) |
| 01:22.07 | Guerin | Turophile: except for 3 |
| 01:22.20 | Guerin | it's fine until it has a problem ... then you're fucked |
| 01:22.23 | Turophile | I don't know... for someone that makes a habit of resizing partitions... |
| 01:22.27 | Guerin | like buying an audi |
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| 01:22.41 | peterS | you're not an audiphile, then? |
| 01:22.42 | Guerin | goes, and goes, and then doesn't. And you have to import bolts for $200 each |
| 01:22.47 | Turophile | I would've said "like running Debian" :P |
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| 01:22.55 | merlincorey | what programs should I be looking at for copying mass amounts of data from one drive to another? I keep killing the drive with input/output errors I assume because cp is less than sufficient for it :P |
| 01:23.02 | Turophile | You do something *stupid* and you need to almost completely re-install. |
| 01:23.06 | Guerin | peterS: i drive a subaru legacy - commodity gear FTW |
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| 01:23.45 | merlincorey | subaru FTW |
| 01:23.45 | merlincorey | hey Guerin :) |
| 01:23.45 | Guerin | merlincorey: rsync FTW |
| 01:23.45 | Turophile | You can't rsync yourself to work though. |
| 01:23.45 | Turophile | yet. |
| 01:23.46 | peterS | merlincorey: if you kill the drive with I/O errors, it isn't the fault of the application, it's the fault of the drive |
| 01:23.46 | Guerin | merlincorey: g'day bro |
| 01:23.48 | Turophile | Speaking of which, anyone know how people over Ethernet is going? :P |
| 01:24.00 | Guerin | Turophile: a bit slower than sport-o-e |
| 01:24.02 | merlincorey | Setting up rsync (2.6.9-3) ... |
| 01:24.03 | Guerin | err |
| 01:24.03 | merlincorey | thanks :) |
| 01:24.03 | peterS | well, PoE works fine, but that would be power, not people |
| 01:24.04 | Guerin | sporK |
| 01:24.06 | Turophile | Guerin: Wii :P |
| 01:24.08 | Gnu_raiz | you mean power over ethernet |
| 01:24.11 | merlincorey | any other suggestions whilst I read up on rsync? |
| 01:24.12 | Guerin | not sport |
| 01:24.25 | Turophile | Wii has Sport over Ethernet :) So that's one big stumbling block. |
| 01:24.46 | peterS | Wii has ethernet? |
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| 01:24.57 | Turophile | er, yes? |
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| 01:25.24 | peterS | I guess the more important question is whether it has signal. as in, "Wii GOT SIGNAL !!" |
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| 01:25.43 | daeos | peterS: i hope you really don't think i did what happened on purpose |
| 01:25.47 | Gnu_raiz | rofl like Wii got game! |
| 01:25.48 | merlincorey | peterS: well, I assume that the application is doing as much as it can as quickly as it can, and I would certainly consider failure due to that its own fault |
| 01:25.51 | abrotman | daeos: drop it already |
| 01:26.02 | Turophile | I still giggle at the way "Wiimote" sounds scarily like "Remote" said by a 6 year old with speech issues. |
| 01:26.21 | peterS | Turophile: they seem to have picked that name in order to make a lot of bad puns |
| 01:26.24 | Turophile | I know. |
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| 01:26.54 | Guerin | classy, my iriver just crashed |
| 01:27.00 | Turophile | I've dubbed ours the Micturition. |
| 01:27.02 | peterS | 60 years from now people will be saying "back in 2007, when I was a Wii gamer..." |
| 01:27.26 | spheard | Anyone any Idea why my webalizer stats are getting so messed up? http://www.lloydsenergy.co.uk/webalizer/usage_200707.html |
| 01:27.29 | Turophile | The "Nintendo Micturition" or N.M. for short, makes playing with yourself fun. |
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| 01:27.50 | Turophile | spheard: "mixed"? |
| 01:27.56 | abrotman | spheard: it's obvious people only visit your site at 10AM |
| 01:27.58 | Turophile | Existing purely on one day? :P |
| 01:28.05 | spheard | scroll down |
| 01:28.13 | abrotman | oh .. on the 10th :) |
| 01:28.15 | abrotman | not 10AM |
| 01:28.37 | Turophile | LOL |
| 01:29.00 | Turophile | How does one pull negative data? |
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| 01:29.03 | abrotman | spheard: if i had to guess .. webalizer doesn't understand your log format |
| 01:29.06 | Turophile | spheard: Your logs are borked. |
| 01:29.21 | spheard | Turophile: I deleted all my logs |
| 01:29.41 | Guerin | spheard: that might be part of the reason |
| 01:29.43 | Turophile | What abrotman said. So, restart webalizer... |
| 01:29.47 | Guerin | just an idea |
| 01:29.51 | Turophile | as in, delete your stats. |
| 01:29.55 | Turophile | Start again. |
| 01:30.08 | Turophile | It's parsing over old data and screaming "WTF WTF WTF WHERE ARE THE LOGS?!" |
| 01:30.15 | Turophile | Hence the negative data usage. |
| 01:30.16 | abrotman | and fix the website :) |
| 01:30.23 | abrotman | spheard: did you change the log format ? |
| 01:30.32 | Turophile | THat or you're screwing with your host so that you don't have to pay for bandwidth? |
| 01:30.37 | Turophile | And if that's the case, explain it to me. |
| 01:30.53 | Turophile | Free or negative bandwidth appeals to me. |
| 01:31.16 | spheard | I am my own host :-) |
| 01:31.21 | Guerin | that could indeed be a boon |
| 01:31.23 | abrotman | fix the website! |
| 01:31.32 | Guerin | imagine - you'd be able to sell bandwidth to others! |
| 01:31.42 | Guerin | and the more you sold, the more you'd make |
| 01:31.43 | Turophile | How *small* can you make a Debian install? :P |
| 01:31.55 | abrotman | 250MB or so .. maybe less |
| 01:32.01 | Guerin | Turophile: depends how much you care. Under 100MB has been done. |
| 01:32.11 | Guerin | but it takes work to get under about 200MB |
| 01:32.18 | stoned | is aol still trying to push dialup? |
| 01:32.29 | Turophile | abrotman: I can't debootstrap :) |
| 01:32.32 | Turophile | It requires python. |
| 01:32.33 | spheard | abrotman: whats wrong with the website? |
| 01:32.46 | abrotman | there's no content ? |
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| 01:33.05 | abrotman | Turophile: /msg dpkg debtakeover! :) |
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| 01:33.23 | Turophile | But thanks :) |
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| 01:35.00 | Turophile | abrotman: I can compile debootstrap on another system can't I? |
| 01:35.09 | abrotman | i would imagine so |
| 01:35.15 | Turophile | Awesome, Gentoo it is :P |
| 01:35.30 | Turophile | I know it has workign python - if it didn't I'd be *totally* screwed. |
| 01:35.46 | spheard | abrotman: there isnt meant to be |
| 01:35.51 | abrotman | okay |
| 01:36.08 | spheard | Its poised for deployment |
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| 01:36.41 | Turophile | there's even an ebuild :| |
| 01:36.48 | Guerin | Turophile: the preferred nomenclature is `Gentoobie' |
| 01:37.43 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:38.28 | Guerin | hm, these aren't bad for a $20 pair of phones |
| 01:38.43 | Guerin | err, $30 |
| 01:38.59 | Guerin | NZ$30, US$25 I suppose |
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| 01:39.07 | abrotman | headphones or cellphones ? |
| 01:39.12 | Guerin | headphones |
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| 01:39.17 | Turophile | Guerin: Just because I only know how to remote install Gentoo doesn't make me a newb :P |
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| 01:39.32 | Guerin | Turophile: no reflection on you personally. Only on gentoo users ;) |
| 01:39.38 | Guerin | !gentoosmite Turophile |
| 01:39.39 | Turophile | Just makes the distros different. It's that kind of elitism that pisses me off with the FLOSS world. :P |
| 01:40.02 | Turophile | Gentoo isn't about optimisation. It's about removing things you don't want :P |
| 01:40.08 | Turophile | (Like friends? :P) |
| 01:40.48 | abrotman | not much of a friend then |
| 01:41.24 | Guerin | Turophile: tell that to the fanboiz; I know it, having also used gentoo (and given up because I was sick of hand-holding broken build tools) |
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| 01:42.32 | Turophile | Agreed abrotman :P |
| 01:42.40 | Turophile | Guerin: Yeah, it's useful and decent for proper use. |
| 01:42.56 | Turophile | But being an rabid fanboi is stupid. Honestly, everything is good if you use it right. |
| 01:43.33 | Turophile | I just like Gentoo for my laptop, because Ubuntu irritates the hell out of me with it's "Oh, hi, we're installing most of the FLOSS software on your hard drive. Try and remove one thing and we'll take most of it!" |
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| 01:46.10 | treyh0 | lol gentoosmite |
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| 01:46.49 | Guerin | hm, is it the fat filesystems which have a stupid limit of 12 characters in any path? |
| 01:46.55 | _RedShift_ | anyone here good with apache2? |
| 01:47.03 | Turophile | And yes, I do go off the handle anytime someone makes a stupid crack about Gentoo users being ricers... I personally hate rice. |
| 01:47.09 | Guerin | _RedShift_: the peoplr in #apache are pretty good |
| 01:47.24 | Guerin | !comfort Turophile |
| 01:47.25 | dpkg | There, there, Turophile. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:47.34 | Turophile | _RedShift_: If you can't load a module, it's a2enmod. |
| 01:48.04 | Gnu_raiz | I have a rice burner, ie a motorcycle! guess that makes me an ricer! |
| 01:48.27 | peterS | Guerin: that would be classic fat without the win95 vfat extension. but win95 was 12 years ago and (almost) everything since then has supported vfat |
| 01:48.47 | Guerin | peterS: does vfat have a similar restriction? |
| 01:49.10 | peterS | Guerin: no, it's something like 255 chars, though I'm not certain. and by "chars" I mean Unicode chars, it is natively unicode (UTF-16) |
| 01:49.22 | Guerin | mm, yeah |
| 01:49.29 | Guerin | so I wonder wtf this is dying |
| 01:49.35 | peterS | also, ISO-9660 CDs have some odd limits, if you don't use Rock Ridge or Joliet |
| 01:50.20 | peterS | technically an iso-9660 filename can go up to I think 31 chars, but you're really supposed to limit them to the 12-char FAT limit, just in case you use the CD with a truly ancient OS.... |
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| 01:50.20 | Guerin | yeah, I know about them |
| 01:50.22 | Guerin | this mp3 player is crashing on certain file transfers |
| 01:50.29 | Guerin | trying to narrow it down to some reason |
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| 01:53.38 | jrm_debian | logoff |
| 01:53.43 | jrm_debian | exit |
| 01:53.47 | jrm_debian | quit |
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| 01:53.50 | jrm_debian | bye |
| 01:53.55 | MangosDebian | !win jrm_debian |
| 01:53.55 | dpkg | Congratulations, jrm_debian! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
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| 01:54.22 | jrm_debian | ok mail me the tickets |
| 01:54.45 | Guerin | jrm_debian: give us your address and we will ;) |
| 01:55.03 | jrm_debian | 123 main street, anytown, usa |
| 01:55.43 | Turophile | jrm_debian: got a zip? or d owe just assume bzip2? :) |
| 01:55.52 | Turophile | Or might you prefer your mail uncompressed? :) |
| 01:55.54 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 01:56.21 | jrm_debian | actually it's tar.gz |
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| 01:57.31 | MangosDebian | Ñ |
| 01:57.37 | Turophile | I wonder... |
| 01:57.47 | abrotman | they made .. an .. Underdog movie .. live action ... |
| 01:58.07 | Turophile | bitchin. |
| 01:58.13 | Turophile | The shell host I use runs Python 2.1 =\ |
| 01:58.36 | jrm_debian | first time on freenode, just saw a simple how-to, thought I'd try it |
| 01:58.37 | merlincorey | so peterS apparently it is most likely my kernel :) |
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| 01:59.06 | merlincorey | thanks for getting me to look elsewhere |
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| 01:59.20 | peterS | that or your hardware |
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| 01:59.51 | jrm_debian | anybody know anything about making a gigafast pcmcia wireless card work? I fought this battle for weeks and finally spent $ to buy a broadcom pci. Never did get gigafast/amel working |
| 02:00.56 | Turophile | ew, broadcom. |
| 02:01.01 | Turophile | jrm_debian: enable the kernel modules! :) |
| 02:01.31 | Supaplex | uh oops. /etc# chgrp freerad * - ahh cool. egerything except gshadow and shadow is gid root. yay. (fresh install) |
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| 02:02.35 | Turophile | I decided, I could care less if I hose the system |
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| 02:02.41 | Turophile | and ran deboot etch / |
| 02:04.18 | jrm_debian | been there done that, yeah broadcom is weak but it was cheap and it works! |
| 02:04.22 | stoned | soilwork |
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| 02:06.29 | piztek | anyone with information on how to fix devils pie? |
| 02:06.53 | jrm_debian | bye y'all |
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| 02:07.12 | abrotman | piztek: any information on what's broken ? |
| 02:07.42 | piztek | abrotman: it worked perfectly at maximizing the windows, then i rebooted and it stopped working |
| 02:07.56 | abrotman | piztek: do other windows maximize ? |
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| 02:08.10 | piztek | no, none that i made maximize scripts for |
| 02:08.17 | piztek | its as if the program died |
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| 02:09.33 | piztek | abrotman: even if i use "devilspie" which worked before in terminal, it doesn't work now |
| 02:09.50 | piztek | blinker hops to the next line and nothing works |
| 02:10.01 | piztek | i removed the program and reinstalled it with no luck |
| 02:10.07 | abrotman | piztek: maximize scripts ? |
| 02:10.12 | piztek | I even emailed the guy |
| 02:10.24 | piztek | yeah, i have to make these scripts to perform the actions |
| 02:10.35 | piztek | like if window equals gnome-terminal than maximize |
| 02:10.41 | piztek | and it was working fine |
| 02:10.42 | abrotman | piztek: no .. i mean .. does any app at all maxmize .. currently .. none of my apps will maximize |
| 02:10.59 | piztek | abrotman: no, none of them maximize |
| 02:11.00 | tekk | hi guys... im using pptpd on debian... however when i connect to it from my home machine it uses that tunnel for all Internet traffic and not my existing internet connection... how can i sort this? surely its a config issue server-side ? |
| 02:11.12 | piztek | i'm sure it's the program |
| 02:11.25 | tekk | http://rafb.net/p/fspfCF46.html thats my config |
| 02:11.27 | abrotman | piztek: no .. i mean .. my xterms won't maximize when i click the maximize button |
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| 02:11.49 | piztek | oh well gnome-terminal does maximize |
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| 02:13.39 | piztek | someone else had this problem and they said that the startup command "devilspie &" fixed it for them, but it never fixed it for me |
| 02:13.48 | piztek | how can a program only work the first time you use it |
| 02:13.50 | piztek | that makes no sense |
| 02:14.21 | abrotman | did you check the bts ? |
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| 02:15.13 | piztek | what is bts? |
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| 02:15.18 | jetscreamer | fonts fonts fonts |
| 02:15.21 | tzanger | good evening everyone |
| 02:15.21 | stoned | !bts |
| 02:15.22 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 02:15.22 | jetscreamer | !bts |
| 02:15.29 | tzanger | debian newb here again with an issue. :-( |
| 02:15.31 | jetscreamer | any questions? |
| 02:15.35 | piztek | let me check |
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| 02:15.50 | tzanger | I accidentaly apt-get dist-upgraded sarge to etch |
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| 02:15.59 | jetscreamer | welcome to etch |
| 02:16.01 | tzanger | trying to get python to uninstall so the next version can be upgraded |
| 02:16.03 | tzanger | er installed |
| 02:16.15 | tzanger | but there are two packages that depend on it and I can't uninstall them |
| 02:16.26 | hatter | hello, anyone know which driver to use for the via8237 sata chipset ? my etch disk is not detecting it , the via_sata driver is not working nor the via82cxx driver |
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| 02:17.06 | jetscreamer | tzanger: usually best to just let it uninstall them, then reinstall them after has been my experience.. ymmv |
| 02:17.11 | tzanger | I can't though |
| 02:17.13 | tzanger | it won't let me |
| 02:17.14 | jetscreamer | see also hold |
| 02:17.20 | jetscreamer | which packages |
| 02:17.22 | tzanger | I'd like to do exactly what you want |
| 02:17.32 | tzanger | mailman and bittornado |
| 02:17.46 | jetscreamer | why can't you uninstall them |
| 02:18.22 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge bittornado bittornado-gui |
| 02:18.24 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 02:18.25 | tzanger | well it tries to stop mailman first and can't as python isn't there (bad interpreter) |
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| 02:18.43 | tzanger | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.46 | tzanger | jetscreamer: ^^ |
| 02:18.48 | piztek | i checked it and there's nothing with related to the problem i'm having |
| 02:18.54 | tzanger | suggests apt-get -f install without any packages |
| 02:18.57 | tzanger | but that fails the same way |
| 02:19.15 | jetscreamer | tzanger: you 'can' edit the script and just comment out the part that stops the service |
| 02:19.37 | tzanger | jetscreamer: which script, the /etc/init.d/mailman script? |
| 02:19.41 | jetscreamer | the script is in... |
| 02:19.59 | jetscreamer | no the pre-uninst..... |
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| 02:20.17 | jetscreamer | i'm hazy exactly where it is... /var/cache/apt/somewhere 'maybe' |
| 02:20.48 | tzanger | hmm |
| 02:20.55 | tzanger | the only directory offof that is the archive of debs |
| 02:21.12 | Supaplex | holy smokes the new box is fast. |
| 02:21.25 | Guerin | !test |
| 02:21.26 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 02:21.30 | Guerin | :( |
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| 02:21.45 | jetscreamer | guerin where are the pre & post inst scripts unpacked |
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| 02:21.53 | jetscreamer | when dpkg'ing |
| 02:21.54 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 02:21.58 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:22.53 | stoned | Supaplex: what did you get? |
| 02:22.57 | tzanger | hmm |
| 02:23.00 | tzanger | I edited that |
| 02:23.01 | tzanger | trying |
| 02:23.05 | stoned | Supaplex: you got a 3500ghz cpu? |
| 02:24.24 | piztek | abrotman: some guy on mandriva has the problem i have |
| 02:25.06 | jetscreamer | tzanger: there is also dpkg --purge --force-something <package> but ppl seem to have a problem saying that cuz nobody wants to help fix your box if you break it messing around :) |
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| 02:25.26 | abrotman | piztek: did you contact ross ? |
| 02:25.33 | abrotman | piztek: or file a bug ? |
| 02:25.36 | karsten | Where would I find info on a package removed from Debian? (the siag office suite FWIW). |
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| 02:25.52 | karsten | BTS has some old bugs but no "this was removed" notice. |
| 02:25.52 | abrotman | karsten: you mean why? |
| 02:26.01 | tzanger | jetscreamer: I got it I think, thank you for hte help |
| 02:26.02 | abrotman | karsten: ask the ftp masters ? |
| 02:26.11 | abrotman | or the old maintainer |
| 02:26.11 | tzanger | should I just follow the sarge->etch update info to complete this? |
| 02:26.13 | piztek | abrotman: i emailed ross |
| 02:26.21 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah. Sorry, mass lag. |
| 02:26.26 | piztek | lol, i want this to work |
| 02:26.32 | jetscreamer | aptitude update && aptitude sidt-upgrade probably |
| 02:26.36 | jetscreamer | err dist |
| 02:26.37 | Supaplex | stoned: old server |
| 02:26.38 | jetscreamer | but whatever |
| 02:26.39 | piztek | are there any other ways i could cause windows to maximize abrotman? |
| 02:26.58 | jetscreamer | keyboard shortcuts you mean, piztek? |
| 02:27.07 | jetscreamer | or mouse gestures? |
| 02:27.12 | jetscreamer | sure |
| 02:27.13 | tzanger | wow I think that worked |
| 02:27.13 | piztek | no, like if i open a program it then maximizes |
| 02:27.15 | tzanger | thank you! |
| 02:27.25 | Guerin | fuck's sakes, I think this fucker is busted |
| 02:27.27 | jetscreamer | np |
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| 02:27.38 | jetscreamer | fuckfuckfuck a duckduckduck |
| 02:27.54 | CompWizrd | jetscreamer: does it float? |
| 02:28.07 | jetscreamer | then it must be a witch! |
| 02:28.17 | jetscreamer | burn him! |
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| 02:28.33 | GreaseMonkey | erm, wtf? Err http://security.debian.org etch/main Packages ||| 404 Not Found [IP: 128.31.0.36 80] |
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| 02:28.36 | karsten | abnrotman: http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt |
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| 02:29.39 | karsten | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=92447 |
| 02:29.59 | stoned | jetscreamer: stop fucking random animals ;) |
| 02:30.12 | jetscreamer | GreaseMonkey: try again in a few seconds |
| 02:30.36 | jetscreamer | hey nyle |
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| 02:30.41 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 02:30.43 | stoned | yo |
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| 02:31.05 | jetscreamer | oh... does this work for you? http://amigo.hfds.com/amigo/ |
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| 02:31.17 | jetscreamer | maybe a nice data error? |
| 02:31.20 | Nyle | nope |
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| 02:31.23 | Nyle | no go |
| 02:31.24 | jetscreamer | el borko? |
| 02:31.26 | abrotman | karsten: are you going to package it ? |
| 02:31.29 | Nyle | el mucho broko |
| 02:31.37 | jetscreamer | what does the error say |
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| 02:31.57 | Nyle | HTTP Error 404 - File or directory not found. |
| 02:32.19 | jetscreamer | ah oh the dns hasn't propagated probably |
| 02:32.28 | jetscreamer | try http://mclark.hfds.com/amigo/ |
| 02:32.38 | karsten | abrotman: <coff> |
| 02:32.48 | abrotman | karsten: then why do you care ? |
| 02:33.00 | Guerin | godfuckingdamnit |
| 02:33.09 | jetscreamer | hey cool iceweasel renders it better than ff in windows |
| 02:33.12 | abrotman | karsten: i can't even find a URL for it |
| 02:33.47 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I'm seriously getting into some web designing lately |
| 02:34.08 | karsten | abrotman: There was a reveiw of the suite at one of the Linux sites today. I remember trying it some years ago (have a bug filed against it in Debian). Turns out it was dropped in 2003. |
| 02:34.09 | jetscreamer | Nyle: i kind of like have to now at work |
| 02:34.11 | Nyle | its fun stuff |
| 02:34.17 | karsten | abrotman: http://siag.nu/ |
| 02:34.19 | Nyle | jetscreamer: me too |
| 02:34.21 | jetscreamer | yeh and you can code a site in perl |
| 02:34.26 | jetscreamer | well i can't |
| 02:34.31 | Nyle | neither can I |
| 02:34.32 | karsten | abrotman: Scoot time. |
| 02:34.32 | jetscreamer | but it can be done |
| 02:34.33 | Nyle | perl scares me |
| 02:34.44 | Nyle | its all about time |
| 02:34.46 | abrotman | karsten: nah .. i'm home already |
| 02:34.56 | Nyle | or saving time rather |
| 02:35.07 | Nyle | jetscreamer: time is money :D |
| 02:35.12 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 02:35.14 | phogg | jetscreamer: looks fine in opera 9 |
| 02:35.16 | abrotman | karsten: seems pretty basic |
| 02:35.17 | karsten | abrotmaI'm not |
| 02:35.26 | Nyle | lol |
| 02:35.28 | jetscreamer | cool phoog thanke |
| 02:35.28 | karsten | abrotman: Nor will I be for some time, but it's time to scoot from here. |
| 02:35.29 | jetscreamer | e |
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| 02:35.42 | Nyle | I read it as abrotmal |
| 02:35.47 | abrotman | karsten: it'd be a nice alternative to the bloated OO/Koffice/GnomeOffice |
| 02:35.49 | Nyle | like abismal |
| 02:35.51 | abrotman | i think anyways |
| 02:35.52 | Nyle | from alladin hehehe |
| 02:35.53 | jetscreamer | it was breaking.... intermittenly.... (zomg msft) |
| 02:35.53 | karsten | abrotman: It is. One-man show. I guess if you've *got* to run something minimal it's there. I'd as soon drop to curses: vim, sc. |
| 02:36.04 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:36.08 | karsten | abrotman: ... and the aa-lib animator. |
| 02:36.10 | jetscreamer | now i can't get it to break anymore... good i guess? |
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| 02:37.46 | Nyle | now I actually have to think about IE users while desining my sites |
| 02:37.49 | Nyle | it sucks |
| 02:38.08 | Nyle | before I just simply said fuck ie users |
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| 02:38.38 | jetscreamer | !penixstrike |
| 02:38.38 | dpkg | Dozens of Penices shower from the heavens, pummelling the inhabitants of #debian, leaving half-conscious debian users and wet spots everywhere. |
| 02:38.52 | Nyle | jees |
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| 02:38.57 | Penix | stupid rtorrent eating all my memory |
| 02:39.00 | Supaplex | Penix: welcome :) |
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| 02:39.10 | Penix | spose I should use swap |
| 02:39.11 | GreaseMonkey | erm, where did kdevelop go? |
| 02:39.25 | jetscreamer | !find kdevelop |
| 02:39.38 | jetscreamer | !msg |
| 02:39.39 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 02:39.48 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'kdevelop' (4 of 16): (/usr/lib/{libkdevelop.la|libkdevelop.so}) in kde/kdevelop-dev ;; (/usr/share/icewm/themes/SilverXP/icons/kdevelop.xpm) in x11/icewm-themes ;; (/usr/share/icons/Crystal/48x48/apps/kdevelop1.png) in kde/kde-icons-crystal ;; (/usr/share/app-install/desktop/{kdevelop3.desktop|kdevelop_c_cpp.desktop|kdevelop_kde_cpp.desktop|...}) in x11/app-install-data. |
| 02:40.15 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 02:40.15 | dpkg | i heard search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 02:40.21 | GreaseMonkey | k |
| 02:40.33 | abrotman | GreaseMonkey: apt-cache search kdevelop |
| 02:40.49 | GreaseMonkey | abrotman, nothing popped up :( |
| 02:41.04 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 02:41.08 | GreaseMonkey | 4.0 |
| 02:41.09 | jetscreamer | might not be in etch or lenny |
| 02:41.13 | abrotman | it's in lenny |
| 02:41.18 | jetscreamer | !find kdevelop etch |
| 02:41.28 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=kdevelop |
| 02:41.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'kdevelop' (4 of 16): (/usr/lib/{libkdevelop.la|libkdevelop.so}) in kde/kdevelop-dev ;; (/usr/share/icewm/themes/SilverXP/icons/kdevelop.xpm) in x11/icewm-themes ;; (/usr/share/icons/Crystal/48x48/apps/kdevelop1.png) in kde/kde-icons-crystal ;; (/usr/share/app-install/desktop/{kdevelop3.desktop|kdevelop_c_cpp.desktop|kdevelop_kde_cpp.desktop|...}) in x11/app-install-data. |
| 02:41.49 | GreaseMonkey | either kdevelop or glade-designer will do |
| 02:42.03 | jetscreamer | apt-get update ? |
| 02:42.10 | abrotman | GreaseMonkey: kdevelop is in etch |
| 02:42.19 | GreaseMonkey | k |
| 02:42.40 | abrotman | !info kdevelop etch |
| 02:43.25 | dpkg | kdevelop: (An IDE for Unix/X11), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.5-1 (etch), Packaged size: 7944 kB, Installed size: 24684 kB |
| 02:43.49 | GreaseMonkey | ah, i think i know why apt-get isn't finding it |
| 02:43.57 | abrotman | because you broke it ? |
| 02:44.10 | jetscreamer | sources |
| 02:44.15 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 02:44.25 | jetscreamer | quit using penix.com/etch |
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| 02:45.11 | Nyle | hey |
| 02:45.15 | Nyle | fuck penix man |
| 02:45.21 | Nyle | that shit is utterly retarded |
| 02:45.30 | Nyle | and I'm gonna beat up rahul too |
| 02:45.38 | Nyle | goddamn penixes |
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| 02:46.55 | piztek | does anything else do that devilspie does |
| 02:47.02 | abrotman | what does it do ? |
| 02:47.04 | piztek | what* |
| 02:47.13 | piztek | handle windows as they're opened |
| 02:47.21 | piztek | maximize them, etc |
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| 02:47.44 | Rawplayer | anyone in here got apache running with php4-mysql php4-gd php4-curl and php4-gd? |
| 02:47.45 | premier_ | hello, I'm trying to perform a net install with a debian liveCD... it got to the part where it tries to connect to the internet... GUIs usually configure this pretty well, but debian is complaining, saying "it probably does not use the dhcp protocall" |
| 02:47.52 | premier_ | This is with an ethernet connection |
| 02:48.13 | Nyle | premier_: do you have a dhcp server on the network? |
| 02:48.33 | premier_ | Nyle: I'm not sure... its trough a home dsl router |
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| 02:48.45 | premier_ | Nyle: |
| 02:48.49 | Nyle | premier_: if its not picking up through dhcp then you don't have dhcp running |
| 02:49.01 | jetscreamer | debian live cd? |
| 02:49.06 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 02:49.06 | dpkg | it has been said that livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 02:49.13 | hatter | anyone use the via8237 sata chjipset with etch ? |
| 02:49.13 | Nyle | premier_: try to configure it manually, do you know your gateway and dns servers? |
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| 02:49.30 | premier_ | Nyle: I can try it through wifi, but its the same router, would it be any different? |
| 02:49.36 | Nyle | no |
| 02:49.42 | premier_ | Nyle: not sure, I might be able to look them up, hold on |
| 02:49.59 | Nyle | premier_: can you get to your router's config page? |
| 02:50.17 | Nyle | premier_: if you can get there you can enable dhcp |
| 02:50.19 | premier_ | I'm looking at it right now |
| 02:51.02 | Nyle | premier_: check portforward.com or something to see if your router is listed there and it should have instructions on how to enable/disable dhcp |
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| 02:51.37 | piztek | does anyone use swordfish? |
| 02:51.42 | Nyle | !anyone use |
| 02:51.42 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 02:53.49 | zenwryly | Hmm, I'm chrooting to repair a debian installation, but dns isn't working under chroot so I can't get apt to work |
| 02:53.56 | witless | i have an LVM composed of a raid1 software raid volume, and a raid5 hardware raid volume. i have a number of these errors in my logs: |
| 02:54.00 | zenwryly | anyone have any idea what might be happening there? |
| 02:54.20 | witless | EXT3-fs error (device dm-0): ext3_free_blocks_sb: bit already cleared for block 237338618 |
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| 02:55.52 | simonrvn | zenwryly: /etc/resolv.conf ; check it, fix it |
| 02:57.00 | zenwryly | simonrvn: ah! It's the laptop dynamic stuff that isn't running! |
| 02:57.01 | zenwryly | thanks |
| 02:57.16 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: aren't you the popular one tonight |
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| 02:58.39 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.45 | premier_ | Nyle: the page you sent me isn't correct for my software anymore |
| 02:59.03 | Nyle | ok |
| 02:59.08 | Nyle | where is your router's manual? |
| 02:59.13 | Nyle | open it up and configure it |
| 02:59.27 | Supaplex | woops |
| 02:59.28 | Nyle | or just browse around the settings |
| 02:59.37 | Nyle | try to figure it out |
| 02:59.56 | Nyle | my guess is that it would be on the main settings tab somewhere if you router can't do dhcp then is a pos. |
| 03:00.07 | Nyle | is it a dsl modem or an actual router? |
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| 03:00.21 | Nyle | is it even a router? |
| 03:00.27 | Nyle | do you know what a router is? |
| 03:00.51 | premier_ | Nyle: its a dsl modem... it has wireless and can network several computers, I just assumed that made it a router |
| 03:01.01 | Nyle | premier_: yes it is a dsl router |
| 03:01.13 | Nyle | ok so look through the settings, you will find dhcp somewhere |
| 03:01.23 | premier_ | Nyle: alright, so theres a page that allows me to manually configure it |
| 03:01.30 | Nyle | it? |
| 03:01.48 | premier_ | I have to give an IP address, a subnet mask, and a DCHP address (two actually)\ |
| 03:01.59 | Nyle | premier_: no |
| 03:02.04 | Nyle | what |
| 03:03.14 | esaym | can anyone recommend a good chess game? You know, with cool graphics and stuff :D |
| 03:03.30 | Nyle | brutalchess |
| 03:03.35 | abrotman | brutalchess .. i think |
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| 03:04.04 | esaym | I will look it up :p |
| 03:04.13 | Nyle | pouetchess |
| 03:04.17 | Nyle | got nice gfx |
| 03:04.20 | esaym | I never played before, but got the itch for some reason.... idk |
| 03:04.32 | Nyle | http://pouetchess.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Image:V0.2_s2.jpg |
| 03:05.08 | Guerin | go > chess |
| 03:05.29 | Guerin | though i'll admit it's not quite as visually appealing |
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| 03:06.33 | Nyle | Oblivion + QTP3 == The best video game graphics EVER |
| 03:07.13 | Nyle | 4gb of ultra quality textures and meshes for oblivion, everything is so detailed and just goddamn |
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| 03:07.41 | Nyle | requires like a super advanced gpu with tons and tons of video ram |
| 03:07.50 | premier__ | Nyle: I'm not getting it |
| 03:08.08 | Nyle | premier__: can you take a screenshot of the page and i can probably tell you what to do |
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| 03:08.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know what effect the new completely fair scheduler in 2.6.23 will have for desktop users? More speed/stability? |
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| 03:12.07 | esaym | I think brutalchess looks better |
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| 03:12.35 | jetscreamer | suse had a glchess that looked good.. the one in sid doesn't look gl-ish at all |
| 03:12.38 | Supaplex | Dark_Apostrophe: the starfox port from nintendo will FINALLY run smoothly. ;) |
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| 03:14.55 | premier__ | http://img451.imageshack.us/my.php?image=networknf9.png <- Can you read that? |
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| 03:16.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | Supaplex: YAY! |
| 03:16.40 | Supaplex | premier__: yeah. premiersullivan at geezze mail eh? |
| 03:16.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | Supaplex: ;) |
| 03:16.58 | Supaplex | Dark_Apostrophe: hehe :)))) |
| 03:17.23 | premier__ | Supaplex: congraduations, now you can send me spam |
| 03:17.26 | xacier | does debian fully support ia64? |
| 03:17.32 | dondelelcaro | xacier: yes. |
| 03:17.46 | xacier | to what extend? |
| 03:17.52 | dondelelcaro | though the posibility is high that you really mean do we support amd64. |
| 03:18.04 | xacier | um |
| 03:18.11 | dondelelcaro | xacier: uh... to the extent that project servers are IA64 and of course are running Debian. |
| 03:18.15 | xacier | ia64 aka itanium |
| 03:18.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Core2Duo processors are x86-64 and can be used with the AMD64 port, right? |
| 03:18.32 | xacier | you know that um |
| 03:18.40 | xacier | that itanium from intel |
| 03:18.49 | dondelelcaro | xacier: yes, I'm familiar with it. |
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| 03:19.15 | premier__ | Nyle: http://img451.imageshack.us/my.php?image=networknf9.png and http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=network2it2.png |
| 03:19.58 | dondelelcaro | xacier: it's just not uncommon that we have people here asking about IA64 who really want to ask about x86-64; but in any event, yes, IA64 is supported just like the other architectures that Debian supports; almost all of the packages available for i386 are built for it, and everything pretty much just works. |
| 03:20.48 | xacier | cool |
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| 03:21.06 | Nyle | premier__: yeh dhcp is not on |
| 03:21.10 | When_I_Fall | does this channel have a log? |
| 03:21.21 | premier__ | Nyle: really? so why is debian not working? |
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| 03:21.38 | Nyle | premier__: select 192... option in first ss |
| 03:21.40 | dondelelcaro | When_I_Fall: soem people may be logging it, but there's generally not publicly available ones |
| 03:21.44 | Nyle | also check enable dhcp |
| 03:21.49 | When_I_Fall | dondelelcaro: alright |
| 03:22.19 | Nyle | premier__: for first dhcp address enter 192.168.0.100 |
| 03:22.22 | metbsd | sftp works with directory transfer? |
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| 03:22.43 | Nyle | premier__: for last dhcp address enter 192.168.0.150 |
| 03:22.44 | premier__ | Nyle: I can't do it with choosing "manual configure"... the gui won't let me |
| 03:22.47 | piztek | devilspie is jacked |
| 03:23.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | premier__: Can you telnet into the router? |
| 03:23.51 | Nyle | premier__: wait, looks like dhcp is on |
| 03:23.58 | Nyle | the ss is so small man i can't read anything |
| 03:24.13 | premier__ | sorry... you want me to try to get a better one? |
| 03:24.19 | Nyle | nah |
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| 03:24.36 | Nyle | your network is in the 172 |
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| 03:24.49 | Nyle | you got 3 devices connected through dhcp |
| 03:25.01 | Nyle | if your debian box doesn't pickup dhcp check yoru cables? |
| 03:25.06 | Nyle | make sure your nic works |
| 03:25.23 | Nyle | is it wired or wireless? |
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| 03:25.36 | premier__ | Nyle: wired, but I can go wireless |
| 03:25.42 | Nyle | do it wired |
| 03:25.53 | Nyle | for now at least till you get it to work |
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| 03:26.22 | Nyle | premier__: you can always manually set it |
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| 03:26.33 | metbsd | so how do i remove all packages including apt-get and aptitude, i want to restart over |
| 03:26.34 | Nyle | premier__: give your debian box custom entwork settings during install |
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| 03:26.58 | fuzzy | metbsd, look into debootstrap |
| 03:27.15 | Nyle | premier__: all the info debian would need you can get from your router |
| 03:27.18 | bknitram | metbsd, back up /home and reinstall? |
| 03:27.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | metbsd: rm -rf / |
| 03:27.28 | Nyle | must take trash out |
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| 03:27.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | metbsd: Just kidding, don't do that :) |
| 03:28.10 | chuck | Dark_Apostrophe: :P |
| 03:28.21 | tzanger | good evening... how do I get ssh to generate new host keys for me? I thought it'd automatically do it on boot, but that isn't the case, and dpkg-reconfigure doesn't seem to do it either |
| 03:28.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | chuck... Chuck Norris? AAAAAAAAAAAA |
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| 03:29.28 | MangosDebian | tzanger: ssh-keygen is used to generate keys, including your host keys |
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| 03:29.59 | tzanger | MangosDebian: ahh, did not know that |
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| 03:30.23 | Guerin | hm |
| 03:30.24 | zieuAymkG | Are you GAY? |
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| 03:30.28 | zieuAymkG | GNAA Announces Cleansing Of The Star Trek Gene Pool |
| 03:30.30 | zieuAymkG | GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being GAY NIGGERS. |
| 03:30.32 | chuck | lol |
| 03:30.33 | BcphSCRLzg | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 03:30.33 | zieuAymkG | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 03:30.35 | Guerin | !ops zieuAymkG |
| 03:30.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: zieuAymkG |
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| 03:30.36 | zieuAymkG | The two Steves got married, and eventually introduced Intel processors as a standard in Macs by the end of 2007. |
| 03:30.39 | BcphSCRLzg | Jews4Profit |
| 03:30.42 | KOOeOVqCer | The overwhelming success of the operation was reflected by the failed moderator Ravager|CH own words: [23:37] <Ravager|CH> another ruined night.. |
| 03:30.42 | zieuAymkG | If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is NiggerNET, and you can connect to irc.gnaa.us as our official server. Follow this link if you are using an irc client such as mIRC. |
| 03:30.44 | BcphSCRLzg | About Apple |
| 03:30.46 | zieuAymkG | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 03:30.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | nalioth |
| 03:30.48 | KOOeOVqCer | Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership. |
| 03:30.48 | BcphSCRLzg | Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA First Post on slashdot.org, a popular "news for trolls" website. |
| 03:30.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | nalioth: Crapflood, as you can see |
| 03:30.53 | KOOeOVqCer | Freenet is a secure and anonymous content distribution system designed by a team of expert child pornographers attempting to create a more secure network for the acquisition and distribution of child pornography. |
| 03:30.54 | chuck | !ops BcphSCRLzg |
| 03:30.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: chuck complains about: BcphSCRLzg |
| 03:30.56 | zieuAymkG | If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is NiggerNET, and you can connect to irc.gnaa.us as our official server. Follow this link if you are using an irc client such as mIRC. |
| 03:30.56 | KOOeOVqCer | First, you have to obtain a copy of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE and watch it. You can download the movie (~130mb) using BitTorrent. |
| 03:30.57 | BcphSCRLzg | Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign up today! Upon submitting your application, you will be required to submit links to your successful First Post, and you will be tested on your knowledge of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE. |
| 03:30.59 | KOOeOVqCer | The organisers of the stunt then feared for his safety as Blaine reached for his erect penis, as the palms of his hands were suffering from myosis. With this, two divers jumped into the water to save Blaine before he had a chance to touch his throbbing rod, and succeeded in pulling him out in time. He was out of breath as he was rushed to hospital, suffering from the effects of the stunt upon his body. |
| 03:31.03 | BcphSCRLzg | Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA First Post on slashdot.org, a popular "news for trolls" website. |
| 03:31.04 | zieuAymkG | First, you have to obtain a copy of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE and watch it. You can download the movie (~130mb) using BitTorrent. |
| 03:31.06 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
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| 03:31.07 | BcphSCRLzg | About TWiT |
| 03:31.08 | zieuAymkG | If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been looking for! |
| 03:31.09 | BcphSCRLzg | GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the fastest-growing GAY NIGGER community with THOUSANDS of members all over United States of America and the World! You, too, can be a part of GNAA if you join today! |
| 03:31.09 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
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| 03:31.25 | Nyle | whoahholy fucking shit! |
| 03:31.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | Crapflooding :( |
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| 03:31.31 | Guerin | nothing to see here |
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| 03:31.33 | zinx | peterS: heh, you need to turn off your auto-deop-self :P |
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| 03:31.39 | IH8DebChan | Acabo de querer que usted saber, que muchos de ustedes personas son rameras y yo espero que usted se muera, en su mayor parte wols... |
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| 03:31.42 | MangosDebian | Guerin: :) |
| 03:31.43 | chuck | !ops |
| 03:31.43 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
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| 03:32.19 | tzanger | MangosDebian: thank you! |
| 03:32.19 | Guerin | ban the /24 for about a week |
| 03:32.19 | MangosDebian | tzanger: np |
| 03:32.19 | peterS | that's a thought |
| 03:32.21 | Nyle | ouch |
| 03:32.34 | MangosDebian | Guerin: kline the /24 for a week and tell the isp more like it |
| 03:32.35 | peterS | but it's two /24s |
| 03:32.44 | Guerin | MangosDebian: that's for staff, not chanops |
| 03:32.55 | Guerin | peterS: oo, so we get to do without 512 losers. |
| 03:32.55 | MangosDebian | of course |
| 03:33.08 | Guerin | well, 508 more likely |
| 03:33.12 | Guerin | but still |
| 03:33.17 | Guerin | on to more topical topics |
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| 03:33.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Why don't you guys make this channel moderated, and make dpkg voice people after random intervals - it would prevent coordinated crapfloods like this |
| 03:33.36 | Guerin | can someone tell me why cp copies things by age, rather than filename? |
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| 03:33.54 | chuck | !ops IH8DebChan |
| 03:33.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: chuck complains about: IH8DebChan |
| 03:33.55 | MangosDebian | Guerin: alias? |
| 03:33.57 | peterS | I see it |
| 03:34.02 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: what do you mean, they'd never let me be an op in #debian, and rightly so |
| 03:34.04 | Nyle | ahh boy |
| 03:34.07 | Gigantic | muahaha |
| 03:34.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Oh, you're not an op? |
| 03:34.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Who is? |
| 03:34.14 | Guerin | hell no |
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| 03:34.16 | unlink | is anyone interested in collaborating on an ipod gnomevfs module? |
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| 03:34.23 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-f282b39a5cbb12b1] by peterS |
| 03:34.24 | Nyle | Dark_Apostrophe: are you blind? |
| 03:34.30 | Guerin | i'm usually about one outburst away from being banned myself |
| 03:34.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh, right. |
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| 03:34.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hi, peterS :) |
| 03:34.50 | peterS | in fact, why are we allowing cgi gateways at all? |
| 03:34.57 | Nyle | peterS: can you ban stoned? that guy sucks |
| 03:34.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | peterS: Why don't you guys make this channel moderated, and make dpkg voice people after random intervals - it would prevent coordinated crapfloods like this |
| 03:35.02 | chuck | peterS: you might want to do a bad w/o the x-f282kklfsjdf shit at the end, i think thats randomly generated each time they login |
| 03:35.04 | Guerin | peterS: so people can irc from work, natch |
| 03:35.05 | peterS | Nyle: I'll get right on that |
| 03:35.06 | Nyle | :D |
| 03:35.09 | chuck | s/bad/ban/ |
| 03:35.24 | MangosDebian | peterS: good point. and tor |
| 03:35.31 | Gigantic | damn... |
| 03:35.36 | peterS | chuck: it is, I just don't want to ban an entire web irc gateway without thinking about it |
| 03:35.57 | chuck | well yeah, just for a few minutes to turn him off, he's planning on flooding the channel i think |
| 03:36.07 | Nyle | well it isn't going on anymore |
| 03:36.08 | peterS | if he reappears, the heavier hammer will be used |
| 03:36.11 | Nyle | so whats there to discuss |
| 03:36.26 | Nyle | so anyway |
| 03:36.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | peterS? |
| 03:36.55 | chuck | MangosDebian: lol |
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| 03:37.12 | metbsd | where is raid configuration saved? |
| 03:37.20 | unlink | CMOS? |
| 03:37.21 | Guerin | hm, what's the tool to randomise lines of a textfile? |
| 03:37.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Gigantic: Oh noes! |
| 03:37.25 | Guerin | rnd or something |
| 03:37.42 | peterS | Dark_Apostrophe: a moderated channel with explicit voice sounds annoying. people wander in here, legitimately, to ask questions all the time |
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| 03:38.02 | stew | its not like these floods happen often enough to put up with a daily annoyance |
| 03:38.05 | Nyle | Guerin: you could probably make a perl script that takes an input and outputs random line numbers rearranged |
| 03:38.06 | Gigantic | Guerin: 'random' |
| 03:38.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | peterS: Yes, and I agree completely - I hate channels that have that, but it beats constant crapflooding |
| 03:38.14 | Gigantic | Guerin: there's a faq in #bash |
| 03:38.20 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: we don't have constant crapflooding |
| 03:38.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | peterS: The alternative is having far more ops, but that's dangerous... |
| 03:38.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hmm.. I recall several instances of crapfloods |
| 03:38.42 | peterS | Dark_Apostrophe: it's not like it's just stew and me, we do have quite a few ops, usually there's someone around somewhere |
| 03:38.42 | Guerin | Gigantic: is it a bash function, or a binary? |
| 03:38.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Maybe it wasn't just this channel |
| 03:38.45 | somian[0] | How much dangerous? |
| 03:38.48 | Guerin | Nyle: i could, but I'm *lazy* |
| 03:38.56 | Nyle | yeh well that too |
| 03:38.59 | Nyle | hehe |
| 03:39.04 | somian[0] | Seems to me that fewer ops doesn't automatically mean safer. |
| 03:39.20 | somian[0] | At least based on what i've observed on freenode. |
| 03:39.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | somian[0]: Well, the more ops you have, the more likely you are that someone makes a mistake or abuses their op powers or something |
| 03:39.26 | Gigantic | Guerin: function |
| 03:39.27 | metbsd | i'm using raid1, but not know what conf file it is using |
| 03:39.32 | llwek | hi everyone |
| 03:39.56 | somian[0] | That is as likely to happen when someone who's been op-ping for a while is burned, in a bad mood, Dark_Apostrophe |
| 03:40.03 | Guerin | Gigantic: cheers |
| 03:40.09 | Gigantic | :0 |
| 03:40.33 | somian[0] | The best system would have a largish pool of people opping on a rotating basis, but i'm not holding my breath for anything like that to get implemented |
| 03:40.50 | somian[0] | bah, s/burned/burned out/ |
| 03:41.03 | Nyle | I burned out once |
| 03:41.08 | peterS | a rotating basis? yeesh, with like pager duty signups and crap? |
| 03:41.09 | Nyle | long time ago |
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| 03:41.42 | somian[0] | peterS: that 'tude is exactly why i don't expect it to ever happen, even if it would make irc better. ;) |
| 03:41.46 | Nyle | lol, community/volunteer based moderation |
| 03:41.52 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: the best basis is having people in each timezone who would typically be around, which used to be the case |
| 03:41.56 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:42.00 | Guerin | somian[0]: ↑ |
| 03:42.08 | piztek | anyone informed with devilspie |
| 03:42.14 | metbsd | nobody use raid in debian? |
| 03:42.15 | peterS | Nyle: next someone will suggest that each line typed by each person has to get a certain number of diggs |
| 03:42.23 | Nyle | lol yeh |
| 03:42.24 | Guerin | somian[0]: when ircops get paid, you can expect them to turn up. |
| 03:42.25 | somian[0] | piztek: no, not i; never heard of it |
| 03:42.48 | piztek | well, nobody uses it |
| 03:42.52 | MangosDebian | peterS: you know.... |
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| 03:43.10 | ricky | Guerin: This might or might not work: perl -MList::Util -e 'open(my $file,"<",$ARGV[0]); my @lines = <$file>; print List::Util::shuffle(@lines);' file |
| 03:43.18 | Guerin | !beer |
| 03:43.18 | dpkg | beer is probably liquid gold mate |
| 03:43.21 | Guerin | !beer ricky |
| 03:43.21 | ricky | (And might be horrible inefficient too :)) |
| 03:43.30 | Guerin | ricky: thanks mate, I solved it already ;) |
| 03:43.39 | Nyle | la de da |
| 03:43.47 | ricky | Guerin: Aha- was there a convenient bash command? |
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| 03:44.04 | somian[0] | Dark_Apostrophe: I do agree though that sometimes channel ops are worse than the problem they're supposedly there to solve. On specific channels, sometimes the old adage "chanop: r\the troll who was in the channel first" applies too well. |
| 03:44.04 | Nyle | this is the last of it |
| 03:44.36 | metbsd | where can i find more info about raidtab |
| 03:44.51 | ricky | Oh, random- aha. |
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| 03:46.04 | Guerin | ricky: f'real |
| 03:46.11 | Nyle | moderating something is about reponsibility not power stuff |
| 03:46.29 | Nyle | then again ops are human, and when you prick them, they bleed |
| 03:46.33 | unlink | Guerin: http://tmp.caira.com/randomize_file.py |
| 03:46.49 | peterS | metbsd: raidtab is really only used by raidtools2, which few people use these days. mdadm uses /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf instead |
| 03:46.52 | Nyle | and #debian lets so much shit slide its not even f unny |
| 03:47.05 | mosno | is xlsfonts supposed to print *valid* XLFD lines? because on my Etch system, some lines that at first glance look valid actually have spaces in them (where presumably there'd be a dash).. |
| 03:47.12 | Nyle | like I could go off about like some random shit for a while, and you know they'll probably only tell me once to stfu |
| 03:47.16 | Nyle | just once |
| 03:47.16 | Nyle | if that |
| 03:47.16 | metbsd | but we use raidtab |
| 03:47.17 | Nyle | :D |
| 03:47.25 | unlink | Guerin: if you haven't found something already.... |
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| 03:47.35 | syntaxx | i added alias in one of my interface however i cant ping using the alias ip what seems to be the problem? |
| 03:47.43 | peterS | metbsd: many/most config files in debian have manpages. so if you have raidtools2 installed, try 'man raidtab' |
| 03:47.46 | mosno | Nyle: thank $deity for that. i hate being overly censored like in #fedora or #ubuntu |
| 03:47.49 | Guerin | unlink: solution #3. Nice. |
| 03:47.54 | unlink | Guerin: rofl. |
| 03:47.57 | somian[0] | On one channel here on freenode, #perl, there's an op that many people support who claims that ops there are just the Greek Gods, Nyle. |
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| 03:48.00 | Guerin | unlink: cheers anyway |
| 03:48.00 | unlink | Guerin: python randomize_file.py infile outfile |
| 03:48.04 | cp1 | Arrests are expected to begin within the week. |
| 03:48.07 | Eelco45 | Rucas - Dongs-Hojrup, Denmark |
| 03:48.07 | cp1 | After DiKKy collapsed in a pool of his own filth, GNAA Security officer supers made the following statement, "Once we were able to trace which IPs had been uploading child pornography to the network (which in the end turned out to be every host that had ever connected to the network,) we were able to remove every IP controlled by our leader, timecop, from our compiled database and submit the remaining information to the Department of Justice. Fags." |
| 03:48.07 | Guerin | you guys are so helpfulz |
| 03:48.09 | cp1 | After DiKKy collapsed in a pool of his own filth, GNAA Security officer supers made the following statement, "Once we were able to trace which IPs had been uploading child pornography to the network (which in the end turned out to be every host that had ever connected to the network,) we were able to remove every IP controlled by our leader, timecop, from our compiled database and submit the remaining information to the Department of Justice. Fags." |
| 03:48.10 | Eelco45 | Rucas - Dongs-Hojrup, Denmark |
| 03:48.12 | Nyle | somian[0]: thats highly ot |
| 03:48.13 | cp1 | After DiKKy collapsed in a pool of his own filth, GNAA Security officer supers made the following statement, "Once we were able to trace which IPs had been uploading child pornography to the network (which in the end turned out to be every host that had ever connected to the network,) we were able to remove every IP controlled by our leader, timecop, from our compiled database and submit the remaining information to the Department of Justice. Fags." |
| 03:48.13 | Eelco45 | Rucas - Dongs-Hojrup, Denmark |
| 03:48.14 | Nyle | oh god |
| 03:48.16 | cp1 | After DiKKy collapsed in a pool of his own filth, GNAA Security officer supers made the following statement, "Once we were able to trace which IPs had been uploading child pornography to the network (which in the end turned out to be every host that had ever connected to the network,) we were able to remove every IP controlled by our leader, timecop, from our compiled database and submit the remaining information to the Department of Justice. Fags." |
| 03:48.16 | Eelco45 | Rucas - Dongs-Hojrup, Denmark |
| 03:48.16 | eternal_drake41 | Early this Afternoon the Gay Nigger Association of America claimed responsibility for the compromising of over 10,000 Freenet user identities. Norwegian correspondant DiKKy explained, "LOL by using a huge Turkish botnet LOL HY HY we were able to create drones on the Freenet network LOL. Using these drones HY HY HY we were able to triangulate, by IP LOL, who was responsible for the introduction of any file on the Freenet network LOL GLUG GLUG |
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| 03:48.17 | Nyle | peter man |
| 03:48.18 | Eelco45 | Rucas - Dongs-Hojrup, Denmark |
| 03:48.19 | eternal_drake41 | Early this Afternoon the Gay Nigger Association of America claimed responsibility for the compromising of over 10,000 Freenet user identities. Norwegian correspondant DiKKy explained, "LOL by using a huge Turkish botnet LOL HY HY we were able to create drones on the Freenet network LOL. Using these drones HY HY HY we were able to triangulate, by IP LOL, who was responsible for the introduction of any file on the Freenet network LOL GLUG GLUG |
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| 03:48.21 | unlink | Guerin: don't supply outfile for it to overwrite itself |
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| 03:48.22 | Eelco45 | Rucas - Dongs-Hojrup, Denmark |
| 03:48.22 | cp1 | After DiKKy collapsed in a pool of his own filth, GNAA Security officer supers made the following statement, "Once we were able to trace which IPs had been uploading child pornography to the network (which in the end turned out to be every host that had ever connected to the network,) we were able to remove every IP controlled by our leader, timecop, from our compiled database and submit the remaining information to the Department of Justice. Fags." |
| 03:48.22 | eternal_drake41 | Early this Afternoon the Gay Nigger Association of America claimed responsibility for the compromising of over 10,000 Freenet user identities. Norwegian correspondant DiKKy explained, "LOL by using a huge Turkish botnet LOL HY HY we were able to create drones on the Freenet network LOL. Using these drones HY HY HY we were able to triangulate, by IP LOL, who was responsible for the introduction of any file on the Freenet network LOL GLUG GLUG |
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| 03:48.26 | Eelco45 | Rucas - Dongs-Hojrup, Denmark |
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| 03:48.29 | Eelco45 | Rucas - Dongs-Hojrup, Denmark |
| 03:48.29 | cp1 | After DiKKy collapsed in a pool of his own filth, GNAA Security officer supers made the following statement, "Once we were able to trace which IPs had been uploading child pornography to the network (which in the end turned out to be every host that had ever connected to the network,) we were able to remove every IP controlled by our leader, timecop, from our compiled database and submit the remaining information to the Department of Justice. Fags." |
| 03:48.29 | eternal_drake41 | Early this Afternoon the Gay Nigger Association of America claimed responsibility for the compromising of over 10,000 Freenet user identities. Norwegian correspondant DiKKy explained, "LOL by using a huge Turkish botnet LOL HY HY we were able to create drones on the Freenet network LOL. Using these drones HY HY HY we were able to triangulate, by IP LOL, who was responsible for the introduction of any file on the Freenet network LOL GLUG GLUG |
| 03:48.31 | Eelco45 | Rucas - Dongs-Hojrup, Denmark |
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| 03:48.34 | cp1 | After DiKKy collapsed in a pool of his own filth, GNAA Security officer supers made the following statement, "Once we were able to trace which IPs had been uploading child pornography to the network (which in the end turned out to be every host that had ever connected to the network,) we were able to remove every IP controlled by our leader, timecop, from our compiled database and submit the remaining information to the Department of Justice. Fags." |
| 03:48.36 | eternal_drake41 | Early this Afternoon the Gay Nigger Association of America claimed responsibility for the compromising of over 10,000 Freenet user identities. Norwegian correspondant DiKKy explained, "LOL by using a huge Turkish botnet LOL HY HY we were able to create drones on the Freenet network LOL. Using these drones HY HY HY we were able to triangulate, by IP LOL, who was responsible for the introduction of any file on the Freenet network LOL GLUG GLUG |
| 03:48.36 | Nyle | my eyes hurt |
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| 03:49.40 | stew | Guerin: iirc that is in the bashfaq |
| 03:49.40 | somian[0] | Nyle: nobody read it anyway, i'd guess, coming just before the flood as it were ;-) ... but are you serious? You are talking about what opping is about, are you now saying that you're being OT? |
| 03:49.49 | Nyle | no discussing other channels ops and stuff and gossipin |
| 03:49.53 | Nyle | i am not down with that man |
| 03:50.11 | somian[0] | Tough luck. I'm down with reality , man. |
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| 03:50.34 | somian[0] | Sorry if intruded on your private world of fantasy. |
| 03:50.47 | Nyle | what? |
| 03:50.49 | Guerin | stew: indeed it is. |
| 03:50.57 | Guerin | yay, laggage |
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| 03:51.27 | syntaxx | i added alias in one of my interface however i cant ping using the alias ip what seems to be the problem? |
| 03:51.28 | Guerin | well, happy days - my supposedly broken iriver was actually the fault of a faulty usb lead |
| 03:51.33 | llwek | bye |
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| 03:51.48 | Guerin | actually - I say `my' but it's actually Deb's, and she'll be pleased |
| 03:52.05 | Guerin | actually, not pleased; she just won't be angry at me for breaking her shit |
| 03:52.11 | Guerin | which is just about as good |
| 03:52.17 | peterS | I wondered if llwek would try to be part of the gnaa thing, given the web gateway address |
| 03:52.20 | Nyle | yeh its not cool to get yelled at by woman |
| 03:52.30 | premier__ | so my net install cd is stopping on the step where it installs software from ftp.debian.org (or whatever)... so I don't think that I have the internet configured |
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| 03:52.36 | Guerin | Nyle: she doesn't yell |
| 03:52.46 | Guerin | Nyle: it's much worse than that. |
| 03:52.59 | Nyle | premier__: why its not picking up your dhcp is weird |
| 03:53.16 | Nyle | premier__: check tty4 and see what in there |
| 03:53.21 | Nyle | when you try to configure network |
| 03:54.20 | Nyle | you should read up the networking terms you see in the configure page btw. premier__ then will you learn what those things are, and the more you know/understand, the easier it becomes to configure stuff |
| 03:54.33 | Nyle | if you know how it works you can configure it. just read, its not hard |
| 03:54.47 | premier__ | what page? |
| 03:54.56 | Nyle | your router config page |
| 03:55.24 | premier__ | okay, I'm looking at tty4, and I see some info, what kinds of stuff should I be looking for |
| 03:55.40 | premier__ | Nyle: I doubt my router page has anything that technical |
| 03:56.02 | piztek | my "w" key stops working sometimes |
| 03:56.06 | Guerin | you know it's cold when: you leave beer on the bench for 4 hours and it's still cole enough to drink |
| 03:56.17 | Nyle | premier__: do you know what dhcp is? or how it aquired configuration info automatically? do you know what a gateway is and how to get a gateway address? do you know subnet masks? |
| 03:56.58 | premier__ | well no... but the answers are certianly not on my router config page |
| 03:57.19 | Nyle | I didn't say they would e |
| 03:57.36 | Nyle | I said you should read up on these terms to learn what they are and stuff |
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| 03:58.28 | Nyle | set your configs manually in debian. use manual network config, give it an ip on yoru subnet, give a subnet mask, enter your router's ip address as the gateway and dns, and you are done |
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| 03:59.59 | Nyle | premier__: tty4 is pretty much showing you whats going on. look through it as soon as you select configure network with dhcp to see what is happening, and which step it fails at, does it even get a reply back from a dhcp server? |
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| 04:00.11 | metbsd | is it possible to install debian on raid partition? |
| 04:00.11 | piztek | how can i create a shutdown launcher? |
| 04:00.27 | Nyle | metbsd: yees |
| 04:00.36 | peterS | metbsd: have you tried it? the installer should offer to build various raid and lvm configurations |
| 04:00.45 | Nyle | !ig |
| 04:00.45 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 04:00.48 | Nyle | read this too |
| 04:01.00 | metbsd | lvm? |
| 04:01.09 | premier__ | Nyle: "dhclient: No DHCPOFFERS recieved" |
| 04:01.19 | peterS | logical volume manager. how to create, delete, resize filesystems without the limitations of fixed partitions |
| 04:01.36 | Nyle | premier__: are your cables connected? and you're sure the nic works? |
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| 04:02.00 | peterS | (basically by treating a group of partitions as a "filesystem" where you can allocate and resize "files" i.e. block devices, without worrying about exact disk layout within what is known as the volume group) |
| 04:02.03 | Nyle | I see on your screenshot that you have 3 devices connected to your router through dhcp, so dhcp is on |
| 04:02.12 | kintaro0e | hi guys.need help..if i tried: whichis java it shows java: /usr/bin/java /opt/java/bin/java /opt/jdk1.5.0_12/bin/java /opt/jdk1.5.0_06/bin/java, how can i change it that the the path /opt/jdk1.5.0_12/bin/java will be called 1st? |
| 04:02.15 | Nyle | premier__: ^^ |
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| 04:02.38 | premier__ | Nyle: well, I can get online in other OSes, the gui configs usually get this no fuss, so I know the internet basically works... I checked the cables |
| 04:03.15 | Nyle | premier__: what nic do you have? |
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| 04:03.36 | piztek | how can i change the resolution of the gdm login screen? |
| 04:03.53 | Nyle | piztek: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 04:04.00 | premier__ | Nyle: its a dell laptop, inspiron E1705... I don't know what nic I have, should I bring up the bios and see? |
| 04:04.12 | peterS | premier__: run 'lspci', that will usually tell you |
| 04:04.13 | Nyle | first resolution specified in mode in the Screen section will be it |
| 04:04.24 | peterS | premier__: that is, if you have 'pciutils' installed yet |
| 04:04.35 | Nyle | peterS: he boots from etch installer |
| 04:04.57 | peterS | Nyle: oh so that doesn't have it. and modern kernels no longer have a /proc/pci. so inconvenient. |
| 04:05.05 | Nyle | mmhm |
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| 04:05.14 | premier__ | yeah, I don't have it |
| 04:05.20 | Nyle | premier__: which nic do you have? |
| 04:05.28 | premier__ | Nyle: I don't know! |
| 04:05.33 | Nyle | premier__: is it onboard? lookup your motherboard specs and see |
| 04:05.39 | premier__ | its onboard |
| 04:05.45 | Nyle | dell should have details on the model somewhere |
| 04:05.54 | Nyle | they usually have them in their tech support stuff |
| 04:06.01 | Nyle | product specs |
| 04:06.02 | jetscreamer | how would you delete all the symlinks in a given directory and all subdirectories |
| 04:06.14 | peterS | jetscreamer: find . -type l -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
| 04:06.22 | jetscreamer | ooo |
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| 04:06.41 | piztek | Nyle: what do i edit? |
| 04:06.55 | Nyle | premier__: if you enter your service tag number it should give you all the information on that product |
| 04:06.56 | peterS | jetscreamer: where "." really is "a given directory", no need to cd to it first, just give the dir name |
| 04:07.07 | Nyle | premier__: service tag should be on the bottom of the laptop |
| 04:07.18 | Nyle | piztek: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 04:07.23 | jetscreamer | peterS: but if i'm in the dir will . work? |
| 04:07.30 | peterS | yeah, since . means current directory |
| 04:07.43 | Nyle | .. means parent, innit? |
| 04:07.47 | peterS | yes |
| 04:07.48 | jetscreamer | 'thought' so |
| 04:07.49 | Nyle | word |
| 04:08.02 | peterS | unless you're at the root, in which case it is its own parent, not to say its own grandpa |
| 04:08.12 | Nyle | lol |
| 04:08.21 | premier__ | Nyle: dell doesn't say |
| 04:08.25 | peterS | it's true though, /.. is the same as / |
| 04:08.28 | jetscreamer | !peterS++ |
| 04:08.42 | Nyle | premier__: do you have a service tag #? |
| 04:08.50 | jetscreamer | yeh you can keep going up |
| 04:09.04 | jetscreamer | but there's nothing there but a lotta ../../.../ |
| 04:09.06 | peterS | careful, premier__, next Nyle is going to ask you for your bank account number and online banking password |
| 04:09.21 | Nyle | peterS: im not asking for it lol |
| 04:09.29 | piztek | what can you do if you're sick of typing in passwords for root? |
| 04:09.44 | jetscreamer | be a sudo god |
| 04:09.49 | Nyle | you can install sudo |
| 04:09.50 | piztek | how? |
| 04:09.53 | Nyle | !sudo |
| 04:09.53 | dpkg | it has been said that sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 04:10.13 | piztek | Nyle: is it just package sudo? |
| 04:10.15 | Nyle | piztek: by default it stores pass for 15 minutes |
| 04:10.16 | peterS | jetscreamer: this is useful for cracking sploits, if you want to read /etc/passwd as a relative path because you've found some hole where a web service doesn't check for .. or whatever, you just say ../../../../../../../../../../../../etc/passwd and you don't have to know how many levels there actually are |
| 04:10.20 | Nyle | apt-get install sudo |
| 04:10.32 | jetscreamer | that, addyourself to the sudo group, edit sudoers correctly |
| 04:10.38 | piztek | but that can be changed, the storage time? |
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| 04:10.48 | premier__ | Nyle: is this it? 1NC293CARD (CIRCUIT), NETWORK, MINICARD, 3945ULD, MOW1 |
| 04:10.52 | piztek | sudo is installed |
| 04:11.01 | Nyle | premier__: dude don't tell me |
| 04:11.08 | Nyle | premier__: just enter it in dell page |
| 04:11.15 | Nyle | it will give you all the details on that model |
| 04:11.17 | peterS | premier__: sounds like it, but 3945 makes me think of an Adaptec scsi card, which can't be right |
| 04:11.21 | piztek | Nyle: can you help me set it up? |
| 04:11.45 | premier__ | Nyle: no, thats what I got on the service page when I entered the data... that was the only thing that even sounded like a network card |
| 04:12.01 | Nyle | piztek: first type in apt-get install sudo |
| 04:12.09 | piztek | Okay thats done |
| 04:12.10 | jetscreamer | [23.10.57] <piztek> sudo is installed |
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| 04:12.17 | Nyle | piztek: then type visudo |
| 04:12.19 | premier__ | I'm going to boot back up ubuntu and look at the dhcp... maybe I can just do a debbootstrap |
| 04:12.30 | jetscreamer | is that as root or what |
| 04:12.36 | peterS | n.b. debootstrap only has one b |
| 04:12.44 | peterS | which always seemed odd to me, but whatever |
| 04:12.47 | premier__ | b+ |
| 04:12.49 | premier__ | b? |
| 04:12.58 | jetscreamer | deboot |
| 04:12.59 | piztek | okay that is done Nyle |
| 04:13.02 | Nyle | piztek: then you will see this line at the bottom of /etc/sudoers |
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| 04:13.04 | Nyle | piztek: root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 04:13.11 | dasunt | Where does etch keep the list of modules it loads? |
| 04:13.13 | piztek | yes i see that |
| 04:13.16 | dasunt | Er, it will load at boot. |
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| 04:13.19 | dasunt | /etc/modules? |
| 04:13.20 | Nyle | piztek: copy this line, to another line, and change root to your username |
| 04:13.30 | Nyle | piztek: so you will then have two entries, one for root, and one for username |
| 04:13.32 | peterS | dasunt: /etc/modules for one list, but there is also udev which loads modules based on detected hardware and other things |
| 04:13.35 | piztek | yes! |
| 04:13.37 | piztek | thank you |
| 04:13.38 | cchance | Can some one help resolve this: http://pastebin.ca/613721 |
| 04:13.41 | Nyle | piztek: push F3 to save, and F2 to exit |
| 04:13.50 | piztek | Nyle: will this last only 15 minutes with the password? |
| 04:13.51 | cchance | this is the only thing preventing me from starting my company up. |
| 04:13.55 | Nyle | piztek: type sudo apt-get update as user |
| 04:14.04 | Nyle | piztek: 15 idle minutes yes |
| 04:14.11 | piztek | can i expand that time |
| 04:14.16 | dasunt | peterS: Hmmm, I'm not getting sound. |
| 04:14.17 | piztek | or make it neverending? |
| 04:14.18 | jetscreamer | hey nyle i just found this dude i used to roadie for 20 years ago on teh intarweb... i emailed him... he seems to be into rap nowadays? |
| 04:14.19 | Nyle | piztek: no sudo activity for 15 minutes, then it will forget pass |
| 04:14.22 | dasunt | peterS: Old box did. :/ |
| 04:14.25 | Nyle | piztek: yes you can extend it |
| 04:14.27 | Nyle | piztek: man sudo |
| 04:14.34 | peterS | cchance: looks like your 'vhcs' package has a bug, see line 9. the rest of the spew is a result of that bug |
| 04:14.36 | dasunt | Er, Woody did. |
| 04:14.38 | Nyle | jetscreamer: word man |
| 04:14.39 | dasunt | Etch did not. |
| 04:14.46 | Nyle | roadie rapper |
| 04:14.48 | dasunt | Clean install, Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI for the card. |
| 04:14.58 | jetscreamer | it was rock back then |
| 04:15.10 | jetscreamer | metal |
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| 04:15.22 | peterS | dasunt: have you got the snd-ens1371 module loaded? run 'lsmod' to see |
| 04:15.48 | dasunt | peterS: Let me check. |
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| 04:15.50 | cchance | so how do i fix? |
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| 04:15.55 | premier__ | Nyle: okay, its a "Ethernet Controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev 02) |
| 04:16.07 | Guerin | cchance: i fear for your customers |
| 04:16.08 | Nyle | see thats helpful |
| 04:16.15 | peterS | cchance: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/vhcs.postinst (the file which has the bug), fix the bug in that file, then run 'dpkg --pending --configure' |
| 04:16.17 | cchance | ha ha ha |
| 04:16.26 | Nyle | this should be supported by 2.6.18 in etch |
| 04:16.30 | Nyle | i think |
| 04:16.49 | Guerin | cchance: no, really - because you should either be fixing it yourself, or hiring someone competent to fix it |
| 04:16.51 | jetscreamer | you just look for what the error looked like and do something to it |
| 04:17.05 | peterS | well, there is the b44 module, yeah |
| 04:17.13 | peterS | it claims to support that chip |
| 04:17.38 | Nyle | !bcm44xx |
| 04:17.43 | Nyle | hmm |
| 04:17.45 | Nyle | !bcm43xx |
| 04:17.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bcm43xx is the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. http://wiki.debian.org/BCM43xx |
| 04:17.52 | cchance | well, i got no money to hire and i got to learn so |
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| 04:18.31 | jetscreamer | learn fast, learn well, my son |
| 04:18.31 | piztek | Nyle: will i still have to su to do updates? |
| 04:18.36 | jetscreamer | for the customer's sakes |
| 04:18.41 | premier__ | there is also a wireless card, its an intel card |
| 04:18.45 | peterS | cchance: you can always "fix" the problem the broken way, by just commenting out the line that causes problems, or removing the -e or set -e from the top of the script, but then who knows whether the package will work correctly. best to actually fix the bug |
| 04:18.48 | Nyle | piztek: not at all |
| 04:18.48 | jetscreamer | no you just do sudo <command> |
| 04:18.50 | cchance | its because i couldent install those packages |
| 04:19.00 | piztek | oh |
| 04:19.03 | piztek | cool |
| 04:19.06 | Nyle | piztek: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade and you only have to enter password once |
| 04:19.08 | jetscreamer | or you aren't trying hard |
| 04:19.10 | dasunt | peterS: I have snd_es1371 and es1371 loaded. |
| 04:19.23 | dasunt | Er snd_ens1371 |
| 04:19.23 | jetscreamer | aha! |
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| 04:19.36 | peterS | dasunt: that's a problem. both modules will want to drive the same piece of hardware. one is ALSA, the other is OSS. so whichever one loads first (which may be semi-random) will get it. |
| 04:19.36 | somian[0] | Broadcom support, cool. I think that applies to my Buffalo wifi router. |
| 04:20.18 | piztek | Nyle: where do i change the time? |
| 04:20.23 | linux_jones | if im using fluxbox how come theres still alot of k* stuff in top? |
| 04:20.24 | Nyle | man date |
| 04:20.28 | dasunt | peterS: How do I fix? I grepped /etc/* and /etc/*/* for 1371, doesn't show up. |
| 04:20.34 | piztek | man date? |
| 04:20.39 | cchance | what does it mean by it couldnet verify? |
| 04:20.40 | Nyle | piztek: apt-get install ntpdate && sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 04:20.41 | piztek | no i mean for the sudo key |
| 04:20.42 | peterS | dasunt: best to blacklist es1371, IMO, or actually what I'd probably do is hardcode snd_ens1371 and snd_pcm_oss into /etc/modules so they will load early on before es1371 has a chance to intrude |
| 04:20.49 | cchance | it couldent find the packages? |
| 04:20.56 | Nyle | piztek: I'm not sure read the man page |
| 04:21.00 | piztek | Nyle i mean the sudo key time |
| 04:21.07 | piztek | i did and there was nothing there about time |
| 04:21.11 | dasunt | peterS: What is this blacklist? |
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| 04:21.16 | peterS | !blacklist |
| 04:21.17 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 04:21.18 | premier__ | Nyle: how hard is it to install debian through debootstrap? I'll have to reconfigure my grub right? |
| 04:21.27 | piztek | okay i have another question anyways, sometimes my w key stops working and I even tried a new keyboard |
| 04:21.29 | Nyle | premier__: /msg dpkg ig |
| 04:21.35 | peterS | cchance: I don't see the word "verify" anywhere in your paste, sorry |
| 04:21.36 | Nyle | premier__: see if it looks too difficult |
| 04:21.39 | dasunt | peterS: Okay. |
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| 04:21.48 | cchance | sorry it was before |
| 04:21.58 | cchance | i couldent get it because my ssh client cut it off |
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| 04:22.11 | peterS | well, I told you what the error is, it's what you see on line 9 |
| 04:22.32 | jetscreamer | how would you phrase, for google-ing, 'how do you keep firefox/iceweasel from rendering pages differently whether there is a scrollbar or not' |
| 04:22.33 | peterS | which points to line 1887 of a particular script in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 04:22.55 | jetscreamer | in the webpage's code |
| 04:24.03 | peterS | cchance: also, I would raise an eyebrow at the words "chosen cipher's key length of 56 bytes". I don't know of any cipher that uses a 56-byte key. DES uses a 56-_bit_ key, but I hope nobody is still using DES for any serious encryption |
| 04:24.13 | peterS | (but note, 56-bit is not the same as 56-byte, and the error message said 56-byte) |
| 04:24.17 | jetscreamer | 128 is minimum |
| 04:24.28 | cchance | hmm |
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| 04:24.32 | jetscreamer | ah the key is 56 chars |
| 04:24.42 | Guerin | and infinity-bit is better |
| 04:24.44 | cchance | its their script maby they have a reason for it being that |
| 04:24.59 | peterS | jetscreamer: yeah, but whoever heard of a 448-bit algorithm? I thought people went straight from 384 bits to 512 bits |
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| 04:25.07 | jetscreamer | wtf is math |
| 04:25.13 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 04:25.18 | jetscreamer | my downfall |
| 04:25.23 | metbsd | math is like 1+1=2 |
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| 04:25.34 | jetscreamer | i got lost in algebra 2 |
| 04:25.45 | dasunt | !tell dasunt about blacklist |
| 04:25.46 | peterS | you should've taken algebra 1+1, it was easier |
| 04:25.47 | Guerin | that's not maths, as a mathematician friend of mine once said - that's arithmetic |
| 04:25.52 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 04:26.05 | jetscreamer | i hang in #math |
| 04:26.14 | jetscreamer | i like not knowing wtf they're saying |
| 04:26.31 | peterS | you'd do well in #debian-it then |
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| 04:26.32 | lkthomas | guys |
| 04:26.38 | peterS | unless you actually do speak italian, then you'd know wtf they're saying |
| 04:26.42 | lkthomas | anyone try to setup iptables firewalling with real ip ? |
| 04:26.53 | Guerin | lkthomas: are you taking the piss? |
| 04:26.55 | jetscreamer | little spanish, it sometimes translates |
| 04:26.58 | jetscreamer | not much |
| 04:27.14 | lkthomas | Guerin: huh |
| 04:27.15 | peterS | hmm, spanish is too close. maybe you should try #debian.de, you wouldn't understand that I suppose |
| 04:27.20 | jetscreamer | i hang in #debian-es too |
| 04:27.25 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 04:27.45 | jetscreamer | sometimes i can be helpful in there |
| 04:28.15 | jetscreamer | they speak a lot of german in #kanotix |
| 04:28.29 | lkthomas | it just doesn't make sense for me, how come no one using firewall on real ip address ? |
| 04:28.37 | peterS | it is fun to try to decipher the larts that the #debian-it bots dish out |
| 04:28.40 | Guerin | lkthomas: wtf |
| 04:28.52 | jetscreamer | i have an fw in the router and i run something locally also |
| 04:29.02 | Guerin | lkthomas: what do you think you mean by `real ip'? |
| 04:29.10 | jetscreamer | static ip i guess |
| 04:29.10 | lkthomas | Guerin: public ip then |
| 04:29.15 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 04:29.24 | peterS | as opposed to integer IP, I suppose |
| 04:29.32 | peterS | I only have an integer IP |
| 04:29.36 | cchance | any one see anyproblem with this: http://pastebin.ca/613737 |
| 04:29.37 | Guerin | lkthomas: you think nobody runs an iptables script on their public ip? |
| 04:29.39 | Guerin | !pal lkthomas |
| 04:29.50 | jetscreamer | or does he want nat or something and fw |
| 04:29.56 | lkthomas | Guerin: no, listen carefully, I don't want to use NAT |
| 04:30.03 | dasunt | peterS: Thanks, trying a reboot now. |
| 04:30.10 | jetscreamer | !wayttd lkthomas |
| 04:30.11 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, lkthomas? |
| 04:30.15 | Guerin | lkthomas: whatever does NAT have to do with anything? |
| 04:30.16 | dasunt | peterS: Btw, is sound still /dev/dsp? |
| 04:30.26 | nevyn | dasunt: nope |
| 04:30.30 | kingsley | What would be a good way to reconcile the paradox of a.) defining a debugging macro in a header file and compiling with the utility named "module-assistant", with b.) the resulting executables being the same size? |
| 04:30.31 | jetscreamer | !firewall |
| 04:30.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, firewall is a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see gibraltar, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 04:30.33 | Guerin | !made-up terminology |
| 04:30.35 | peterS | dasunt: only if you load the snd_pcm_oss module. otherwise sound is accessed through ALSA devices |
| 04:30.35 | nevyn | dasunt: not if you have a good driver/card |
| 04:30.51 | dasunt | Huh, never used alsa. |
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| 04:30.54 | lkthomas | jetscreamer: I am trying to build a firewall behind a box which own a static ip |
| 04:31.00 | peterS | dasunt: most modern apps use alsa automatically if found |
| 04:31.10 | nevyn | peterS: the oss drivers still exist afaik |
| 04:31.14 | jetscreamer | !iptables |
| 04:31.14 | dpkg | iptables is probably the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 04:31.14 | dasunt | Does alsa allow multiple apps to use one dsp then? |
| 04:31.15 | Guerin | lkthomas: lartc.org |
| 04:31.22 | peterS | nevyn: I know, he loaded one, we're trying to get out from under that |
| 04:31.25 | nevyn | dasunt: not by default |
| 04:31.25 | Guerin | dasunt: with dmix, yes |
| 04:31.32 | nevyn | but yes with dmix |
| 04:31.34 | peterS | nevyn: isn't dmix on by default in etch? |
| 04:31.39 | Guerin | yes |
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| 04:31.58 | dasunt | How would I check for dmix being "on"? |
| 04:32.03 | jetscreamer | lkthomas: are you looking for a front end, or to do it yourself |
| 04:32.03 | cchance | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.13 | Guerin | dasunt: /msg dpkg dmix |
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| 04:32.24 | dondelelcaro | cchance: uh... we'd need the rest of it if we're to answer. |
| 04:32.27 | peterS | cchance: probably the rest of the expression you didn't quote, which will be on subsequent lines |
| 04:32.29 | Guerin | jetscreamer: he's frantically searching for his clue |
| 04:32.30 | dasunt | !tell me about dmix |
| 04:32.31 | lkthomas | jetscreamer: actually, DIY, but I want to know HOW is it being done first |
| 04:32.32 | dondelelcaro | cchance: and #perl is really the place to ask |
| 04:32.43 | jetscreamer | see the bot's factoid |
| 04:32.44 | lkthomas | jetscreamer: I can't find any docs telling me how to do |
| 04:32.46 | peterS | dondelelcaro: he's looking at a specific line number of a postinst which failed, and I doubt he knows perl |
| 04:32.47 | Guerin | lkthomas: lartc.org. really. and netfilter.org |
| 04:32.53 | GreaseMonkey | !dmix | dasunt |
| 04:32.56 | jetscreamer | !tell lkthomas -about iptables |
| 04:32.59 | dasunt | Hmmm, maybe I should just try the OSS emulation. |
| 04:33.00 | lkthomas | Guerin: well, www.yourass.com |
| 04:33.05 | dasunt | dpkg's dmix info is not very nice. |
| 04:33.20 | peterS | dondelelcaro: this is a non-debian package, vhcs |
| 04:33.24 | Guerin | lkthomas: don't get pissy at ME because you're too stupid to follow good advice |
| 04:33.24 | dondelelcaro | peterS: figures |
| 04:33.41 | jetscreamer | jackftw |
| 04:33.51 | cchance | or maby blowfish didnt install |
| 04:33.55 | lkthomas | Guerin: so tell me what you know other than pointing me here and there |
| 04:33.58 | peterS | dondelelcaro: it complained that he wasn't using an algorithm with a 56-byte key. which just _has_ to be a typo, wouldn't you say? |
| 04:34.20 | jetscreamer | just --purge --force it |
| 04:34.35 | Guerin | lkthomas: what I know is that the Linux Advanced Routing and Traffic Control howto is your best fucking friend if you need to learn about advanced iptables stuff |
| 04:34.41 | Guerin | lkthomas: hence: lartc.org |
| 04:34.46 | Guerin | now get to it |
| 04:34.57 | dasunt | Like, for example, one of the links dpkg tells me about asound references a 'asound.conf' file I don't seem to have. |
| 04:35.05 | dasunt | Nor do I have an 'asoundrc' |
| 04:35.10 | dasunt | >_> |
| 04:35.16 | linux_jones | if im using fluxbox how come theres still alot of k* stuff in top? |
| 04:35.18 | peterS | dasunt: we all seem to think it's on by default in the etch kernel (2.6.18) |
| 04:35.23 | Guerin | dasunt: if you come across more accurate information, tell dpkg about it |
| 04:35.29 | dasunt | Heh. |
| 04:35.33 | jetscreamer | you have kstuff runnning |
| 04:35.43 | nevyn | linux_jones: there's kstuff you're using. |
| 04:35.44 | dasunt | Guerin: 'use snd_pcm_oss & esd' :p |
| 04:35.56 | dasunt | Okay, how would I test if ALSA is working? |
| 04:36.01 | somian[1] | jetscreamer: k-thx-bye :-D |
| 04:36.07 | linux_jones | jetscreamer, like what? im trying to make this computer a little more swift, and nothing is working |
| 04:36.09 | Guerin | dasunt: aplay, or similar |
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| 04:36.16 | peterS | dasunt: install alsautils, run alsamixer, see if it knows about your sound chip |
| 04:36.30 | peterS | dasunt: I mean alsa-utils, not alsautils |
| 04:36.43 | jetscreamer | linux_jones: uninstall some stuff maybe |
| 04:36.44 | dasunt | *nods* |
| 04:36.48 | cchance | vhcs didnt install |
| 04:36.57 | cchance | how can i force it to redo |
| 04:36.57 | jetscreamer | linux_jones: or just disable stuff from starting on boot |
| 04:36.59 | dasunt | I will say this much, I did prefer the whole cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp for the OSS stuff. ;) |
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| 04:37.01 | jetscreamer | !sysv |
| 04:37.02 | dpkg | methinks sysv is dpkg --force-all --remove sysvinit && dpkg --force-all -i sysvinit && apt-get -f install |
| 04:37.03 | Guerin | cchance: because it's fucked. Contact the vendor for support. |
| 04:37.09 | peterS | cchance: I told you. dpkg --pending --configure |
| 04:37.11 | jetscreamer | wtf? |
| 04:37.28 | jetscreamer | !factinfo sysv |
| 04:37.28 | dpkg | sysv -- created by rj <rj@64.203.193.4> at Thu Mar 25 01:32:19 2004 (1203 days); it has been requested 22 times, last by jetscreamer, 26s ago. |
| 04:37.36 | cchance | :O |
| 04:37.38 | Guerin | cchance: you're trying to run a business, you owe it to your poor prospective customers to do this right., |
| 04:37.39 | linux_jones | jetscreamer, what is the most i can stop from starting and still get to a gui and network |
| 04:37.53 | jetscreamer | linux_jones: i dunno what you have installed |
| 04:37.56 | cchance | well the vhcs_daemon got installed |
| 04:38.02 | cchance | now i got two left |
| 04:38.04 | jetscreamer | most anything that's not needed? |
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| 04:38.10 | Guerin | lkthomas: some k stuff isn't kde - klogd is the kernel logger, for instance |
| 04:38.16 | jetscreamer | i just 'do it' |
| 04:38.19 | Guerin | argh |
| 04:38.26 | Guerin | linux_jones: some k stuff isn't kde - klogd is the kernel logger, for instance |
| 04:38.34 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 04:38.42 | dasunt | Woot, sound is working. |
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| 04:38.50 | peterS | dasunt: good, good |
| 04:38.52 | dasunt | Thanks Guerin, peterS, nevyn & anyone I'm missing. |
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| 04:39.03 | linux_jones | jetscreamer, im pretty new to linux, i dont know whats "needed" |
| 04:39.09 | Guerin | make sure you thank God ... and your hairdresser |
| 04:39.12 | peterS | dasunt: for more interesting info 'cat /proc/asound/cards' and other files in that directory |
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| 04:40.34 | piztek | so why does the w key sometimes stop working? |
| 04:40.39 | kingsley | How does one identify the file that a certain loaded kernel module came from? |
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| 04:41.06 | gvm | i installed Etch yesterday and i see that cpufreq is not supported i have AMD Turion Tl-52 1.6Ghz processor |
| 04:41.08 | peterS | kingsley: usually 'modinfo modulename' |
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| 04:41.31 | peterS | kingsley: but if you explicitly loaded it from some file that isn't installed in the usual /lib/modules location, all bets are off, the kernel doesn't store that information |
| 04:42.28 | kingsley | peterS: Sweet. Thanks. |
| 04:42.39 | jetscreamer | linux_jones: probably not running kde or gnome might be what you are looking for, maybe turning off the mta and such |
| 04:43.03 | jetscreamer | reading the debian newbie guide should be a step |
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| 04:43.36 | cchance | hahah |
| 04:43.40 | cchance | fixed it |
| 04:43.44 | cchance | i had to change 32 to 56 |
| 04:44.48 | jetscreamer | !congratulate cchance |
| 04:44.49 | dpkg | Woohoo cchance, you did it! |
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| 04:45.26 | jetscreamer | gvm there are kernel modules you may need to load |
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| 04:45.56 | jetscreamer | not sure about your proc, plus there may be other steps |
| 04:46.09 | gvm | jetscreamer: how to do that? |
| 04:46.48 | jetscreamer | well i don't know what you need or if it's supported in the kernel you're running... what kernel is it? |
| 04:47.00 | jetscreamer | just out of curiosity |
| 04:47.32 | jetscreamer | ah you said etch i think |
| 04:48.05 | jetscreamer | did you aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade ? |
| 04:48.19 | gvm | but it gives error |
| 04:48.26 | gvm | jetscreamer: i tried this $modprobe acpi cpufreq_userspace cpufreq_powersave |
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| 04:49.11 | metbsd | so where is iptables conf file stored? |
| 04:49.25 | syntaxx | is there a authconfig text base in debian? |
| 04:49.48 | jetscreamer | well i don't know what you need or if it's supported in the kernel you're running... what kernel is it? |
| 04:50.03 | jetscreamer | did you aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade ? |
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| 05:03.30 | Smerdyakov | I'm experiencing some problems where DVD playback fails partway through a disc. A post I found on the web recommends using ide-scsi. Can anyone second this opinion or tell me how I would use that? |
| 05:04.37 | fuzzy | ide-scsi i think has been discontiuned |
| 05:04.40 | fuzzy | look into libata i think |
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| 05:08.29 | premier__ | how do I configure grub to boot debian? the ig doesn't say |
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| 05:10.47 | premier__ | I used to be able to read grub files, but now ubuntu changed them all |
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| 05:11.35 | tonima | apt-get install grub |
| 05:11.48 | tonima | :) |
| 05:12.23 | Smerdyakov | fuzzy, I think ide-scsi was suggested as an alternative to whatever the more standard way is, because this happens to avoid exercising some bugs. |
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| 05:13.52 | niru | how to do lvm partitioning |
| 05:13.56 | niru | in debian |
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| 05:14.42 | fuzzy | look @ lv* vs* pv* |
| 05:14.50 | fuzzy | er vg* |
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| 05:15.36 | Guerin | 0WTF |
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| 05:16.14 | Guerin | Smerdyakov: ide-scsi has been deprecated since about 2004 |
| 05:16.34 | Guerin | it's probably not even an option any more |
| 05:16.52 | Smerdyakov | OK. I was able to 'modprobe' it, but it didn't help. |
| 05:17.16 | Guerin | it's usually a boot option |
| 05:17.24 | Smerdyakov | I keeping getting this "dvdreadblocks only got N, wanted M" crap. |
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| 05:17.33 | Guerin | but i suggest your problem is elsewhere |
| 05:17.50 | Smerdyakov | (for specific values of N and M) |
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| 05:22.29 | Smerdyakov | Does anyone have any advice for defeating "dvdreadblocks only got N, wanted M" errors? |
| 05:23.01 | rahul | !penixstrike Nyle |
| 05:23.02 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Nyle to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 05:23.22 | rahul | now I have a chicago/omaha girl... |
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| 05:25.35 | premier__ | I asked how to configure grub, and tonima said to "install" grub... I already have grub, I don't want to make my exsiting ubuntu and windows partitions unbootable, I just want to make my new debian partition bootable |
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| 05:26.18 | rahul | man grub-install |
| 05:26.26 | Guerin | no |
| 05:26.35 | rahul | on |
| 05:26.44 | Guerin | premier__: boot into ubuntu or whatever owns the grub, and edit the config file |
| 05:26.57 | premier__ | Guerin: okay, how? |
| 05:27.00 | Guerin | premier__: /boot/grub/menu.lst is probablt it. |
| 05:27.04 | premier__ | yeah, it is |
| 05:27.12 | rahul | he doesn't want to make other stuff bootable |
| 05:27.24 | rahul | ubuntu ist verboten! |
| 05:27.39 | Guerin | premier__: the debian config file is documented in comments; if you need further help ask #ubuntu or something since theirs might be different |
| 05:27.46 | premier__ | ubuntu uses automagic, and that tends to wipe out anything I put in there... other wise I'd just add an entry |
| 05:28.04 | Guerin | premier__: it only wipes the stuff you put in the automagic section |
| 05:28.15 | rahul | hrm |
| 05:28.21 | Guerin | premier__: put stuff outside that section and it'll persist |
| 05:28.22 | rahul | I don't get this economy setting on my A/c |
| 05:28.37 | rahul | sometimes it makes my room freezing cold, sometimes it never turns anything on |
| 05:28.59 | Guerin | rahul: it is impossible to trust anything controlled by thermostat |
| 05:29.03 | rahul | zomg |
| 05:29.06 | rahul | my CT girl |
| 05:29.07 | premier__ | how should I install kde (I just have the base system now... so I don't have X or anything |
| 05:29.12 | Guerin | rahul: except the electric frying pan I hacked to make it go up to 11 |
| 05:29.15 | rahul | I've ignored her for a whole weekend |
| 05:29.20 | rahul | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:29.22 | Guerin | rahul: cad! |
| 05:29.30 | premier__ | It goes up to 11! |
| 05:29.38 | Guerin | premier__: aptitude install kde |
| 05:29.57 | Guerin | premier__: yes, it now goes up to 11. And even a bit further. |
| 05:30.20 | Guerin | and it hasn't burned anything down yet, despite being on for 6-12 hours several times |
| 05:30.43 | Guerin | premier__: you probably want to install xorg too |
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| 05:31.00 | somian[0] | rahul: a girl in each city, eh? you a truck driver? |
| 05:31.05 | rahul | heh |
| 05:31.20 | rahul | I drive something... |
| 05:31.26 | rahul | what it is, I don't know |
| 05:31.27 | premier__ | Guerin: why isn't xorg a dependancy of kde? if kalzium is a dependency, it seems like xorg should be a dependancy |
| 05:31.42 | rahul | premier__: kde doesn't need an x server to run |
| 05:31.43 | Guerin | premier__: because kde can run on a remote x server |
| 05:31.49 | rahul | it just needs to connect to an x server |
| 05:32.01 | rahul | premier__: likewise, a web browser doesn't require apache to be installed locally |
| 05:32.28 | rahul | my JC girl also texted me tonight |
| 05:32.37 | rahul | just gotta get my hell's kitchen girl to respond :\ |
| 05:32.48 | premier__ | rahul: who are all these girls? |
| 05:32.57 | Guerin | rahul: to say `OMG IM TEH PRNGANTS OMGZOMG'? |
| 05:33.19 | somian[0] | Struck down by Gawd! |
| 05:33.23 | somian[0] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:34.37 | rahul | erm |
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| 05:34.53 | rahul | so yeah... the hell's kitchen girl is this tall, hot doctor |
| 05:35.01 | rahul | and she lives around the corner from my regular bar |
| 05:35.29 | rahul | she was like... no one knows about the sony music studio on my block! |
| 05:36.06 | Guerin | and like, omg, it was totally like, y'knoow, and she said `dude, like, what?' |
| 05:36.15 | rahul | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeah |
| 05:36.17 | Guerin | eh |
| 05:36.32 | rahul | no, she said lol |
| 05:36.47 | rahul | and I said | .... /\ |
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| 05:37.05 | rahul | somian[0]: please don't confuse inane with insane |
| 05:37.09 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:37.32 | somian[0] | If only we could apt-get install irc-geek-personality-undisorder |
| 05:37.42 | rahul | un? |
| 05:38.09 | somian[0] | Then my fingers wouldn't tire out typing "/ignore wanker!* PRIV CHAN" |
| 05:38.18 | rahul | heh |
| 05:38.28 | dondelelcaro | but I really, really, am not interested in supporting building madwifi modules from the upstream source when m-a a-i madwifi; works and is easy. |
| 05:38.34 | somian[0] | rahul: yeah, FLOSS to fix personality disorders ;-) |
| 05:39.27 | rahul | dondelelcaro: why would anyone ask for that? |
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| 05:40.39 | rahul | if you go to the upstream, you're on your own... debian doesn't NEED to support it... you just need to config the build the right way... whatever the upstream might decide to insanely require you to od |
| 05:40.47 | rahul | do, even... but you can od the files as well |
| 05:40.48 | dondelelcaro | rahul: ECHAN, but yes... |
| 05:41.46 | rahul | although modASS pisses me off |
| 05:42.07 | rahul | it makes me type extra commands to compile a kernel complete with modules |
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| 05:42.47 | dondelelcaro | rahul: you mean with make-kpkg? |
| 05:42.51 | rahul | yes |
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| 05:43.50 | dondelelcaro | rahul: ah; you can actually just do that with a single command |
| 05:43.57 | rahul | :| |
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| 05:44.06 | dondelelcaro | --added-modules foo bar baz kernel_image modules_image; or whatever |
| 05:44.07 | cat | I mean like, I have a lot of .tar'd phrack articles and I want to extract them all without typing in " tar xvf file.tar" over an over |
| 05:44.08 | rahul | is this something specific to fglrx? |
| 05:44.10 | cat | how would i do such thing? |
| 05:44.18 | rahul | dondelelcaro: that's what I've always done... doesn't work any more |
| 05:44.38 | rahul | cat: for i in *.tar; do tar xvf $i; done |
| 05:44.47 | dondelelcaro | cat: for a in *.tar; do tar xvf $a; done; |
| 05:44.57 | rahul | \o/ |
| 05:45.01 | cat | dondelelcaro: but i have a lot of files |
| 05:45.04 | dondelelcaro | cat: so? |
| 05:45.04 | cat | i want to extract them all |
| 05:45.08 | dondelelcaro | ... |
| 05:45.11 | Guerin | cat: just type it |
| 05:45.14 | cat | tar xvf $a; done; |
| 05:45.17 | rahul | cat: and you can't read? |
| 05:45.34 | Guerin | rahul: in fairness, he is a cat |
| 05:45.38 | rahul | heh |
| 05:45.49 | rahul | which means we'll have to kill him over and over to get rid of him |
| 05:45.52 | Guerin | i'm surprised he manages to type properly; all mine manage is kjdgdaaaaaaaa jhaskjhakiewl./; qwq |
| 05:46.21 | rahul | hehe |
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| 05:47.31 | cat | Unexpected token `done' |
| 05:47.40 | rahul | sigh |
| 05:47.42 | Guerin | cat: DO IT PROPERLY THIS TIME |
| 05:47.48 | Guerin | after all |
| 05:47.48 | rahul | !penixstrike cat |
| 05:47.48 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking cat to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 05:47.58 | Guerin | you could just copy and paste it and it would work perfectly |
| 05:48.02 | somian[0] | someone doesn't get a gold star in bash-fu |
| 05:48.03 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.05 | rahul | Guerin: that would be too easy |
| 05:48.06 | cat | that's what i did |
| 05:48.12 | rahul | cat: that's what we never said to do |
| 05:48.14 | Guerin | cat: that' not what they told you |
| 05:48.31 | Guerin | hint: it starts at `for' |
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| 05:48.54 | dondelelcaro | consdering that two of us gave almost exactly the same formalism... |
| 05:49.00 | cat | tar xvf $i; done |
| 05:49.07 | rahul | . . . |
| 05:49.12 | dondelelcaro | cat: the for is very, very important. |
| 05:49.13 | Guerin | cat: go and catch a mouse or something |
| 05:49.13 | cat | tar xvf $i; done |
| 05:49.15 | cat | tar xvf $i; done |
| 05:49.16 | cat | tar xvf $i; done |
| 05:49.18 | rahul | idiot |
| 05:49.21 | cat | tar xvf $i; done |
| 05:49.23 | Guerin | these computer things are better left to you humans |
| 05:49.24 | rahul | cat: grow a brain |
| 05:49.26 | cat | sorry |
| 05:49.34 | cat | about the flood |
| 05:49.35 | dondelelcaro | cat: stop repeating, please. scroll up and look again at what we said |
| 05:49.45 | somian[0] | give cat 30 years, rahul |
| 05:49.56 | rahul | if you're going to flood, at least flood what you're SUPPOSED TO HAVE READ |
| 05:50.01 | Guerin | somian[0]: 30 cat-years ? |
| 05:50.36 | rahul | 01:44 < cat> I want to extract them all without typing |
| 05:50.42 | rahul | zomg. |
| 05:51.05 | tonima | anyone knows why useradd seg.faults? |
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| 05:51.05 | tonima | /usr/sbin/useradd -d /var/lib/nfs -g nogroup -s /bin/false -u 105 statd |
| 05:51.06 | tonima | zsh: segmentation fault /usr/sbin/useradd -d /var/lib/nfs -g nogroup -s /bin/false -u 105 statd |
| 05:51.07 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:51.09 | tonima | ... on etch |
| 05:51.21 | tonima | mprotect(0xb7821000, 2147352576, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE) = -1 ENOMEM (Cannot allocate memory) |
| 05:51.27 | dondelelcaro | tonima: that's not a particularly auspicious sign |
| 05:51.34 | Guerin | tonima: buy more ram |
| 05:51.42 | cat | in *.tar; do tar xvf $a; done; |
| 05:51.43 | Guerin | tonima: zsh is hogging yo shit |
| 05:51.46 | cat | is that it? |
| 05:51.49 | Guerin | ......................................... |
| 05:51.54 | tonima | Guerin: c'mon :) |
| 05:51.58 | Guerin | cat: is that what they told you? |
| 05:52.03 | rahul | cat: do you WANT me to come over there and kick your ass? |
| 05:52.06 | cat | yeah |
| 05:52.19 | Guerin | rahul: he said `yeah' |
| 05:52.22 | rahul | oh, he's a freebsd luser |
| 05:52.33 | rahul | he's no cat. he's a troll! |
| 05:52.39 | cat | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `in' |
| 05:52.43 | Guerin | cat: go back and read |
| 05:52.51 | dondelelcaro | cat: it starts with for, not in. |
| 05:52.52 | Guerin | read it again and again until it sinks in |
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| 05:53.07 | Guerin | the farce is strong in this one |
| 05:53.14 | dondelelcaro | if your IRC client has eaten it, you may want to switch. |
| 05:53.56 | rahul | cat scratch fever |
| 05:56.10 | streuner | hm |
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| 05:57.00 | rahul | catLSD |
| 05:57.04 | metbsd | Privilege separation user sshd does not exist, when i try to start sshd |
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| 05:57.33 | rahul | metbsd: aptitude install openssh-server |
| 05:57.56 | rahul | metbsd: and uninstall whatever messed up ssh install you did |
| 05:58.07 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:58.23 | Guerin | i think this might be the box he can't install ssh on because debconf is mysteriously broke |
| 05:58.33 | rahul | oh god |
| 05:58.37 | rahul | why is it sunday today? |
| 05:58.53 | Guerin | it's sunday after every day |
| 05:58.55 | rahul | should I wake up one of my girls and talk to them instead? |
| 05:59.11 | Guerin | rahul: a little less conversation? |
| 05:59.18 | rahul | a little more action |
| 05:59.30 | metbsd | i have problem with openssh-server |
| 06:00.00 | simonrvn | rahul: naw, let them have their sleep |
| 06:00.10 | rahul | beauty sleep, yeah |
| 06:00.20 | simonrvn | kid sleep |
| 06:00.23 | rahul | pfft, they don't need to look good when they're with me |
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| 06:00.41 | rahul | oh no |
| 06:00.47 | rahul | ah, it's our brasillian |
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| 06:00.51 | simonrvn | when sleep was instant, and peaceful, and eventful |
| 06:00.53 | markybob2k | rahul, yep :) |
| 06:01.04 | rahul | markybob2k: nyc is overrun with your hometown crazies |
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| 06:01.18 | rahul | all I heard was portugese after 11:00 |
| 06:01.21 | markybob2k | rahul, it was a hell of a game |
| 06:01.28 | udos | I notice that, just to be a tiny little bit of a pain in the butt, "index.htm" is deliberately omitted from Debian Apache2 default DirectoryIndex config. |
| 06:01.32 | rahul | what game? |
| 06:01.40 | rahul | oh, the baseball? or the soccer? |
| 06:01.42 | simonrvn | udos: and? |
| 06:01.48 | simonrvn | football, silly |
| 06:01.52 | markybob2k | rahul, soccer. brazilian, silly |
| 06:01.56 | rahul | yeah |
| 06:01.58 | udos | nothing. just noticed it. |
| 06:02.04 | rahul | oh, that's why they were running around |
| 06:02.10 | rahul | yeah, that was on HELL of a match |
| 06:02.19 | markybob2k | :) |
| 06:02.20 | rahul | I almost fell over at the end |
| 06:02.43 | simonrvn | trippingover the beer bottle stacked up :P |
| 06:02.44 | markybob2k | heh. cant wait 'til the final |
| 06:03.12 | rahul | hehe |
| 06:03.23 | rahul | but those brasilians are fucking annoying |
| 06:03.29 | rahul | noisy girls |
| 06:03.59 | rahul | of course, this was after talking to one girl from chicago/omaha for half an hour and one from montreal for about 2 |
| 06:04.30 | markybob2k | rahul, i cant stand girls who talk |
| 06:04.33 | markybob2k | ;) |
| 06:04.34 | rahul | heh |
| 06:04.47 | rahul | gotta put something in their mouths to shut them up... |
| 06:05.01 | markybob2k | heh |
| 06:05.55 | rahul | hrm |
| 06:05.57 | rahul | you know what... |
| 06:06.13 | rahul | I get more kisses from rockers than from chicks |
| 06:06.16 | rahul | guy rockers |
| 06:06.41 | rahul | although I don't think alex has kissed me recently, heh |
| 06:06.48 | markybob2k | it's the drugs. they think you're a girl |
| 06:06.55 | rahul | heh |
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| 06:08.23 | markybob2k | rahul, how's your python? |
| 06:08.52 | rahul | oooooooooo |
| 06:08.55 | rahul | new collusion song |
| 06:09.10 | rahul | eew |
| 06:09.17 | rahul | markybob2k: my python is long and hard |
| 06:09.20 | rahul | erm... |
| 06:09.33 | markybob2k | nm |
| 06:09.38 | rahul | heh |
| 06:09.47 | rahul | you ask a question about crap, expect an answer that is crap |
| 06:10.10 | rahul | markybob2k: remember, there were brasilian girls all over today |
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| 06:10.25 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to change BIOS settings remotely using an IPMI card? |
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| 06:11.06 | rahul | wow, this song is nice |
| 06:11.22 | rahul | oh my, it changes |
| 06:11.39 | rahul | holy \m/ |
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| 06:15.02 | piztek | my keyboard is acting up, can anyone help me? |
| 06:15.14 | rahul | don't pee on it |
| 06:15.28 | Knight_Lord | piztek: x or console? what's the problem? |
| 06:15.31 | piztek | lol, seriously |
| 06:15.37 | rahul | egad, this girl is only 19 |
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| 06:15.57 | piztek | the problem is i made some super key combos and they work, but sometimes the "w" key will not work |
| 06:16.13 | rahul | she sings and talks so maturely.... |
| 06:16.23 | rahul | w is evil |
| 06:16.38 | MajorPayne | Hi. mutt was just updated on my testing install. I use it with an IMAP server. Now when I view the folder list it shows all the sub folders of the INBOX folder but I cant change to INBOX itself unless I type in =INBOX (It's not in the list). This only showed up after I upgraded. |
| 06:16.39 | piztek | it is! |
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| 06:16.54 | Knight_Lord | Did anyone use IPMI to change BIOS settings? |
| 06:17.14 | rahul | y'all should stop yer bitching and listen to some collusion |
| 06:17.27 | rahul | a couple hot chicks and a bunch of rocking guys |
| 06:17.35 | rahul | and no, none of them have kissed me yet |
| 06:17.37 | Cromag | pics! |
| 06:17.52 | rahul | http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o184/herculov_2007/Picture054.jpg |
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| 06:17.56 | rahul | http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o184/herculov_2007/layla.jpg |
| 06:18.01 | piztek | gah back, wrong key |
| 06:18.21 | rahul | or did you want the guys? |
| 06:18.22 | rahul | heh |
| 06:18.48 | Cromag | well, if you have an pics of chicks i would like to have a look. |
| 06:18.54 | rahul | erm |
| 06:19.00 | rahul | Cromag: did you miss them? |
| 06:19.11 | Cromag | //i120.photobucket.com/albums/o184/herculov_2007/Picture054.jpg and //i120.photobucket.com/albums/o184/herculov_2007/layla.jpg ? no. |
| 06:19.16 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know which options to pass to "module-assistant" so that it will do everything that "auto-install" does, except over-write the (modified) source code files from the source code package's tar ball? |
| 06:19.39 | rahul | Cromag: ok, then. |
| 06:19.50 | Cromag | af |
| 06:19.51 | Cromag | k |
| 06:20.02 | rahul | heh |
| 06:20.13 | rahul | (at least ONE hand is afk) |
| 06:20.47 | piztek | lol, need laptop here |
| 06:20.51 | rahul | but their guitarist, xander, rocks |
| 06:21.14 | rahul | I could almost wank just to the sound of his solos |
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| 06:22.37 | MajorPayne | Hi. mutt was just updated on my testing install. I use it with an IMAP server. Now when I view the folder list it shows all the sub folders of the INBOX folder but I cant change to INBOX itself unless I type in =INBOX (It's not in the list). This only showed up after I upgraded. |
| 06:24.04 | kingsley | MajorPayne: Perhaps you should check if anyone has reported it as a bug. |
| 06:25.15 | rahul | damn |
| 06:25.21 | MajorPayne | kingsley: Where do I check bug reports for Debian? |
| 06:25.25 | rahul | both chris and sebastian were at the statues gig last night :( |
| 06:25.43 | kingsley | MajorPayne: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 06:25.49 | rahul | !bts |
| 06:25.50 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 06:25.51 | streuner | MajorPayne: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:27.24 | rahul | wow.. whoi is cori yarcin |
| 06:27.31 | MajorPayne | streuner: ii libc6 2.5-9+b1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 06:27.33 | streuner | and WHO recommended you testing? |
| 06:27.50 | MajorPayne | streuner: I have been running testing on this thing for ages. |
| 06:28.06 | rahul | and why didn't frank tell her to stay in my apartment? |
| 06:28.12 | rahul | what kinda friend... |
| 06:30.14 | tralala | I cannot understand how is it possible that everybody is running testing for ages but nobody knows the bts. |
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| 06:30.34 | rahul | hrmf. her music is crappy |
| 06:30.45 | rahul | influenced by gwen stefani, sure... but not no doubt |
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| 06:31.39 | simonrvn | pop sucks anyway |
| 06:32.05 | rahul | eh |
| 06:32.16 | rahul | killing heidi isn't bad for pop... neither is most of no doubt |
| 06:32.49 | rahul | and I'd probably consider half of what you listen to pop :) |
| 06:33.11 | simonrvn | yeh, right. you don't know what i listen to ;) |
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| 06:33.51 | rahul | I know we've discussed this before... |
| 06:33.54 | rahul | can't remember tho |
| 06:34.00 | simonrvn | not with me |
| 06:34.37 | jelly-home | someone should create #debian-offtopic |
| 06:34.37 | rahul | hrm |
| 06:34.54 | streuner | MajorPayne: sure, but after Deban releases usually testing i fucked up... |
| 06:35.03 | rahul | jelly-home: but then all that would happen is that people will talk about debian in #debian-offtopic |
| 06:35.06 | streuner | MajorPayne: s/i/is/ |
| 06:35.16 | Cromag | !offtopic |
| 06:35.16 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
| 06:35.30 | Cromag | go ahead :) |
| 06:35.38 | simonrvn | yeh, and it isn't busy ;) |
| 06:36.29 | rahul | simonrvn: rattle off some names |
| 06:36.56 | simonrvn | red bull singers, northern cree, eyabay |
| 06:37.22 | MajorPayne | streuner: I don't see the bug listed. |
| 06:37.50 | simonrvn | whitefish jrs. ... -> |
| 06:37.53 | simonrvn | etc. |
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| 06:39.07 | rahul | you freak |
| 06:39.12 | rahul | heh |
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| 06:39.37 | simonrvn | yup :) |
| 06:39.51 | rahul | listen to some matato'a |
| 06:40.03 | simonrvn | and i sing some of those songs too (yes in public) |
| 06:40.15 | simonrvn | 'k. rings a bell |
| 06:40.59 | rahul | heh, cool. they're on national geographic's site |
| 06:41.31 | rahul | they have some HOT dancers |
| 06:41.37 | rahul | I'm told that the guys were hot, too :P |
| 06:41.45 | simonrvn | matato'a? |
| 06:42.20 | rahul | yeah |
| 06:44.52 | rahul | http://i.pbase.com/g6/04/666304/2/70725002.8jd28QbP.jpg |
| 06:44.58 | simonrvn | dancers tend to be hot, too, at least IME |
| 06:45.10 | rahul | http://i.pbase.com/g6/04/666304/2/70725011.aXts7Bxx.jpg |
| 06:45.14 | rahul | well yeah |
| 06:45.35 | rahul | http://i.pbase.com/g6/04/666304/2/70748776.vDKczCD9.jpg <- me after getting stung by a wasp |
| 06:45.59 | simonrvn | maori? |
| 06:46.20 | simonrvn | ouch :/ |
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| 06:46.44 | Cromag | where is that ? |
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| 06:46.57 | simonrvn | somewhere pacific i bet |
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| 06:50.10 | ragnul | erm |
| 06:50.20 | rahul | yeah, I'm grinning like a fool |
| 06:50.21 | rahul | kinda |
| 06:50.21 | rahul | from easter island |
| 06:50.21 | rahul | they're polynesian stock |
| 06:50.21 | simonrvn | my cron.daily run-parts keeps hanging and zombifying |
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| 06:50.27 | ragnul | I think my router got overexcited, too |
| 06:50.32 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 06:50.51 | ragnul | 02:47 < rahul> damn / I spilled water on my lap / those girls are too distracting |
| 06:51.01 | simonrvn | hehe over-excited at the nice-looking women passing through as bits |
| 06:51.14 | ragnul | yeah |
| 06:51.15 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 06:51.57 | ragnul | their bits ARE nice |
| 06:52.04 | ragnul | ooo my laptop bonged |
| 06:52.09 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 06:52.13 | Supaplex | simonrvn: logrotate? |
| 06:52.22 | simonrvn | yeh. keeps dying |
| 06:52.27 | Supaplex | erks me to |
| 06:52.37 | MajorPayne | I think I did find a bug. I just downgraded mutt and the problem is not there. |
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| 06:52.42 | Supaplex | I keep seeing that. even on podiddly boxes that are never busy |
| 06:52.44 | simonrvn | keep trying to figure out which script puking |
| 06:52.51 | simonrvn | is puking* |
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| 06:53.04 | cafuego | my script is puking |
| 06:53.10 | simonrvn | i just see it on one box |
| 06:53.30 | ragnul | ok I better start getting ready for bed |
| 06:53.36 | ragnul | gotta call julia in the morning |
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| 06:53.47 | simonrvn | g'night ragnul, take care |
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| 06:54.07 | Supaplex | ok, so soft off really means "init 0" if all the happy acpi modules are running. cute. |
| 06:54.17 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 06:54.33 | simonrvn | kill it! kill it! |
| 06:54.41 | Supaplex | it already went off |
| 06:54.41 | simonrvn | :P |
| 06:54.52 | Supaplex | I shut down everything important anyway |
| 06:55.16 | Supaplex | I really wanted it to run, but w/o so much heat at idle. |
| 06:55.47 | Supaplex | 47days of uptime go to rest. :p |
| 06:55.59 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 06:57.12 | Supaplex | it'll be one of my HA nodes before long, but it's got nothing to do right now, so woopie do on init 0 |
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| 06:59.40 | simonrvn | heh, a lappy as an ha node. funny, but why not :) |
| 06:59.49 | simonrvn | !tell CaspeR-Bz -about root |
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| 07:03.37 | ma3x | Starting powernowd: required sysfs objects not found! |
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| 07:03.42 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:03.58 | ma3x | i read that file and it says /sys needs to be mounted, but it is mounted |
| 07:04.12 | ma3x | it also says /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 07:04.18 | ma3x | that it must be made visible |
| 07:04.25 | ma3x | but how? I don't have such file |
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| 07:14.36 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: do you have the cpufreq_*; modules loaded? |
| 07:14.43 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: does your cpu actually do scaling? |
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| 07:16.45 | cat | how do i check how much ram i have on this pc? |
| 07:16.48 | iwkse | hi all, there's some breaks in libgli1-mesa-glx on sid, unable to create `./usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2' no such file or directory |
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| 07:17.05 | Guerin | cat: cat /proc/meminfo |
| 07:17.15 | Guerin | iwkse: tell the BTS |
| 07:17.28 | cat | cat: /proc/meminfo: No such file or directory |
| 07:17.38 | cafuego | cat: Open it up and look at the dimms |
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| 07:17.53 | Guerin | cat: then you're not running debian. |
| 07:17.58 | cat | right |
| 07:17.59 | Cyis | any recommendations for a GUI HTML editor? |
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| 07:18.07 | Guerin | Cyis: emacs |
| 07:18.22 | Guerin | Cyis: and firefox |
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| 07:18.56 | rob33n | hi, how can I use the file manager like admin without terminal |
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| 07:19.21 | Guerin | rob33n: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 07:19.30 | Guerin | rob33n: this is a monumentally stupifd idea. |
| 07:19.33 | rob33n | for ex, I have a folder on desktop and right click, copy and paste on system folders |
| 07:19.38 | ma3x | when I try to change cpu freq, I get errors powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0xe 0x0, vid 0x2 0x12 how do I solve it? |
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| 07:19.42 | Cyis | I'd use Eclipse except it seems to be having problems with the VPE |
| 07:19.42 | cafuego | what!!!! |
| 07:19.45 | Guerin | *monumentalls* stupid |
| 07:19.58 | iwkse | Guerin: http://pastebin.ca/613911 |
| 07:19.59 | Kaiten4 | How can I get XGL running on Lenny? |
| 07:20.09 | Guerin | iwkse: i don't care. Tell the BTS. |
| 07:20.30 | iwkse | what BTS do you mean? |
| 07:20.32 | cafuego | Any suggestions as to why when I run 'ps2pdf14 in out' on my desktop box I get a full-page PDF, wheeras when I run the same command, same software versions on my hosted server I get a scaled-back PDF. |
| 07:20.34 | Guerin | ... |
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| 07:20.40 | Guerin | !btssmite iwkse |
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| 07:20.52 | Guerin | iwkse: you run sid and don't know what the fucking BTS is? |
| 07:20.57 | Guerin | you get the chainsaw |
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| 07:21.12 | iwkse | Guerin: yes i don't know it |
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| 07:21.45 | Guerin | iwkse: i suppose you also like to run with scissors and have a handgun with no safety catch under your pillow |
| 07:21.58 | Kaiten4 | There are some people who like to use new software, thus use unstable and aren't developing it |
| 07:22.03 | wols | Guerin: we can only hope |
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| 07:22.08 | iwkse | Guerin: you call it debian bug tracking system and i get it |
| 07:22.19 | Guerin | Kaiten4: yes, and those people get derided in #debian |
| 07:22.33 | iwkse | Guerin: shut up |
| 07:22.47 | Guerin | iwkse: so why didn't you tell it about your bug, instead of us? Sid isn't really supported in here. |
| 07:22.53 | wols | !pal iwkse |
| 07:23.02 | Kaiten4 | is xgl in sid? |
| 07:23.06 | wols | Kaiten4: no |
| 07:23.07 | iwkse | Guerin: ok, next time i'll solve alone..thanks |
| 07:23.09 | Guerin | Kaiten4: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:23.12 | Kaiten4 | damn |
| 07:23.13 | wols | and xgl isn't supported in debian either |
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| 07:23.20 | Kaiten4 | I don't think it would |
| 07:23.30 | wols | why do you ask then? |
| 07:23.53 | Kaiten4 | just a hope. I've been suprised by some software in sid before |
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| 07:23.59 | Guerin | heh |
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| 07:24.06 | wols | Kaiten4: what videochip? |
| 07:24.09 | Guerin | nobody expects the Sidish Inquisition! |
| 07:24.11 | Jebediah | Is it typically problematic if the video IRQ and SMBus IRQ are shared? |
| 07:24.16 | Kaiten4 | wols: ati |
| 07:24.18 | Elephantman | hello |
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| 07:24.26 | wols | Kaiten4: that doesn't answer my question |
| 07:24.36 | Kaiten4 | xpress 200m |
| 07:24.51 | Kaiten4 | mobile/shared supported acceleration |
| 07:24.53 | wols | you could try the ati driver, it might work instead of the glrx pos |
| 07:24.59 | wols | *fglrx |
| 07:25.23 | wols | Jebediah: does the SMBus really need an irq? |
| 07:25.24 | Kaiten4 | the ati driver is unaccelerated no? |
| 07:25.30 | Elephantman | I'm wondering if there is any risk to replace testing by sarge in my sources.list (it was a sarge originally installed, but now some dependencies are requesting a kernel upgrade and I dont want to do such changes) |
| 07:25.33 | wols | no |
| 07:25.50 | Guerin | Elephantman: are you running sarge now, or testing? |
| 07:25.50 | Kaiten4 | no it's not accelerated or no it is accelerated? |
| 07:26.03 | Jebediah | wols: I don't know, but it's taking one and no way to shut it off |
| 07:26.08 | wols | Elephantman: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 07:26.14 | tralala | fglrx is accelerated |
| 07:26.14 | Elephantman | Guerin> it was installed as sarge but the sources.list mentions testing |
| 07:26.18 | wols | Jebediah: do you have any problems? |
| 07:26.27 | Guerin | Elephantman: you can't go back. |
| 07:26.36 | wols | Guerin: depends whne it was installed |
| 07:26.38 | Guerin | Elephantman: it's not a lightbulb - you can't uncrew it |
| 07:26.53 | Jebediah | wols: yes... computer acts very choppy with complex pages in firefox |
| 07:26.58 | Elephantman | Guerin> current testing is Etch ? |
| 07:27.00 | Guerin | wols: of course, he's welcome to *try*, but it's diminishingly unlikely to work |
| 07:27.07 | Guerin | Elephantman: no, etch is stable. |
| 07:27.16 | Elephantman | sid ? |
| 07:27.22 | wols | sid is always unstable |
| 07:27.23 | MajorPayne | Lenny? |
| 07:27.27 | Guerin | !sid faq |
| 07:27.27 | dpkg | [sid faq] http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 07:27.31 | Kaiten4 | Ok, how recommended is it to run the ati driver instead of fglrx under aiglx? |
| 07:27.35 | tralala | Elephantman, this and many other questions are already answered at debian.org |
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| 07:27.55 | Guerin | Kaiten4: suck and see. If it's not in debain it doesn't exist in here. |
| 07:27.59 | Elephantman | yes just seen that |
| 07:28.07 | Guerin | Kaiten4: if you want more broad opinions, ask #ati |
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| 07:28.13 | wols | Kaiten4: your question makes no sense |
| 07:28.29 | iwkse | Kaiten4: i reccomand to throw away ATi card |
| 07:28.34 | Jebediah | wols: /proc/interrupts shows no errors or conflicts, but if I grep lspci -v for IRQ 10 it show both video and SMBus using it. Turning off some onboard components in the BIOS solves the problem |
| 07:28.49 | Elephantman | wols> what was the objective of libc6 (that's the package I have the problem with) ? |
| 07:28.54 | wols | Jebediah: what components, what problem |
| 07:28.58 | Kaiten4 | iwkse: and be left with a headless laptop |
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| 07:29.05 | Elephantman | wols> + that mention |
| 07:29.22 | wols | Elephantman: the objective of libc6 is to giev you a C standard libary |
| 07:29.28 | Jebediah | wols: sound and ethernet (both); then the mouse choppiness goes away... I suspect because SMBus can get another IRQ? |
| 07:29.36 | wols | and to see what info I want: man dpkg |
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| 07:29.55 | Guerin | Elephantman: libc6 is the thing almost everything important needs to run. It's the single most important thing on the system. |
| 07:30.02 | wols | Jebediah: try it if it changes its irq. usually it doesn't |
| 07:30.08 | Elephantman | wols> yes i miss formilated the question, why did you tell me to get that information ? that's where my problem is |
| 07:30.34 | Guerin | Jebediah: you might also try booting with nolapic or noapic |
| 07:30.37 | wols | Elephantman: it's not where your problem is and: you didn't do what I asked, so I don't answer your question. quid pro quo |
| 07:30.38 | Jebediah | wols: will when I get back to the machine; I just can't figure out why I'm the only seemingly having this problem |
| 07:30.59 | Jebediah | Guerin: thanks, I used about 10 different apic boot codes already; none helped |
| 07:31.04 | Elephantman | wols> i did. ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 07:31.05 | Guerin | ah well |
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| 07:31.26 | wols | Elephantman: that is an etch libc6. upgrade to etch. you can't downgrade |
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| 07:31.33 | wols | so replace "testing" with "etch" |
| 07:31.36 | Elephantman | WARNING: POSIX threads library NPTL requires kernel version 2.6.1 or later. If you use a kernel 2.4, please upgrade it |
| 07:31.47 | Elephantman | will etch upgrade my kernel ? |
| 07:31.57 | wols | no. but you should anyway |
| 07:32.16 | Elephantman | it's a production server, I'm scared to upgrade the kernel |
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| 07:32.30 | wols | Elephantman: then hire an admin who understands the stuff |
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| 07:33.13 | Jebediah | Elephantman: if it's an important machine I'd just do security updates unless there is a pressing need |
| 07:33.33 | wols | Elephantman: btw, this machine ran testing. it can't be a production server |
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| 07:33.49 | Elephantman | Jebediah> I was running a dist-upgrade, I supposed it was sufficient |
| 07:34.19 | cvip` | can debian4 surport gbk code? |
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| 07:34.45 | Elephantman | wols> well it's a low price server for not hyper important stuff, I never changed the sources.list as it was directed to the isp repo, but I was wrong, and I'm considering moving to official repos |
| 07:34.45 | wols | cvip`: if you tell us what gbk is? |
| 07:35.13 | Jebediah | gbk = Grand Belial's Key? |
| 07:35.18 | cvip` | A chinese code. |
| 07:35.25 | wols | it's not the ISP's repo fault if you put "testing" in sources.list |
| 07:35.45 | wols | !cn |
| 07:35.46 | dpkg | well, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 07:35.53 | Elephantman | wols> they put that in when I rented it 3 years ago |
| 07:36.19 | cvip` | Thanks a lot. |
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| 07:36.49 | Elephantman | wols> anyway sticking etch in the sources.list seems to have fixed the issue, thanks |
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| 07:38.30 | wols | Elephantman: the problem will rise a gain sooner or later if you keep that server |
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| 07:38.50 | Elephantman | yep, I'm gonna move to official repo |
| 07:38.57 | Elephantman | oh you mean the box ? |
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| 07:41.49 | wols | etch won't be supported forever. and your ISP repo and the debian repo have the same software |
| 07:43.18 | Elephantman | I will be moving out of this server at the end of the year so I believe that will be okay |
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| 07:55.32 | juancgt | can someone help me with my cron... it just wont work :( |
| 07:56.07 | Guerin | juancgt: perhaps you should threaten to fire it |
| 07:56.31 | Guerin | or maybe replace it with a small shell script - that'd scare it back into line |
| 07:57.07 | Jebediah | lol, juancgt describe how it won't work plz |
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| 07:58.06 | dromer | hi all, anybody experiece with SynCE? I can't connect to my Acer N10 |
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| 07:58.08 | juancgt | Jebediah, well, im sure im putting things right on crontab, and that im on .allow and not in deny, and that the deamon is running, and things still wont run |
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| 07:58.37 | Jebediah | how are you editing the crontab? |
| 07:58.50 | Jebediah | I mean with which editor |
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| 07:59.16 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 07:59.42 | juancgt | Jebediah, crontab -e |
| 08:00.22 | Jebediah | after you exit does it say "installing new crontab"? |
| 08:00.30 | juancgt | Jebediah, yes |
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| 08:00.54 | gypsymauro | I've a project in mind, I want to install a linux desktop on a PC, then install squid on that PC and allow users to browse just through squid, so I've to block all connection to internet excepts the one arriving from squid there is a way to do that? |
| 08:01.01 | Jebediah | juancgt: very strange; have you tried running the command regularly, without crontab? Does it run? |
| 08:01.15 | juancgt | Jebediah, it wont even run xmms |
| 08:01.29 | Guerin | gypsymauro: yes, this is a very good way to make work for yourself and annoy your users. |
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| 08:02.01 | piztek | how do you unhide audacious? |
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| 08:02.17 | Guerin | !htfswk piztek |
| 08:02.18 | dpkg | piztek: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 08:02.24 | Jebediah | juancgt: what packages do you have installed? Anacron? Cron? |
| 08:03.02 | juancgt | Jebediah, i got this error "** CRITICAL **: Unable to open display" |
| 08:03.24 | piztek | where do i switch lilo to grub |
| 08:03.32 | piztek | boot? |
| 08:03.46 | Jebediah | juancgt: oh, well then that's another issue; will cron run non-graphical stuff for you? |
| 08:04.25 | Guerin | piztek: aptitude install grub grub-doc |
| 08:04.52 | Jebediah | juancgt: because if it will then your problem is of course not cron itself |
| 08:05.36 | piztek | yes but lilo remains the boot loader |
| 08:05.52 | juancgt | Jebediah, cron won't start graphic apps ? |
| 08:06.05 | Guerin | piztek: because you didn't use the second bit - reading the grub documentation |
| 08:06.32 | piztek | dpkg-reconfigure grub? |
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| 08:06.44 | Jebediah | juancgt: not sure, I've never done it... but the error you're getting suggests to me cron is doing what you're telling it to, but xmms itself is encountering an error |
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| 08:07.05 | juancgt | Jebediah, any command line mp3 player? mplayer? |
| 08:07.06 | gypsymauro | Guerin: well when this machine is in an open space and I've to register which user goes where.. I need to do this in that way |
| 08:07.16 | Jebediah | juancgt: namely that X doesn't want it running; it could be you don't have X spawned as the cron user |
| 08:07.24 | Jebediah | juancgt: what exactly are you attempting to do? |
| 08:07.29 | Guerin | gypsymauro: good luck with that. |
| 08:07.38 | Guerin | piztek: guessing will get you nowhere fast. |
| 08:07.39 | juancgt | Jebediah, set up an alarm |
| 08:08.05 | juancgt | Jebediah, but at the same time get to know cron |
| 08:08.06 | Guerin | juancgt: man at |
| 08:08.20 | Jebediah | juancgt: ahh! There are a few ways to do that. One is to just use the xmms alarm plugin. That won't teach you cron though |
| 08:08.25 | Guerin | juancgt: or sheep 8h; mplayer badgerbadgerbadger.mp3 |
| 08:08.48 | Guerin | in that foolishly optimistic world where people actually get 8 hours sleep |
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| 08:08.51 | juancgt | Jebediah, yeah i know a couple of ways... i kinda wanted to go with cron |
| 08:08.52 | Jebediah | Guerin / juancgt: at will only run something once; if he wants it to reoccur cron is much better |
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| 08:09.04 | Guerin | Jebediah: thanks, captain obvious |
| 08:09.06 | piztek | Guerin: is it /etc/lilo.conf |
| 08:09.08 | Guerin | !tahwtda |
| 08:09.09 | dpkg | There's a Hard Way To Do Anything |
| 08:09.16 | Guerin | piztek: you're still guessing. |
| 08:09.19 | Guerin | !guess |
| 08:09.20 | dpkg | well, guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 08:09.32 | Guerin | piztek: why don't you just read the grub documentation? |
| 08:09.35 | Jebediah | juancgt: if you have mpg123 (or mpg321) that would work |
| 08:10.00 | Jebediah | Guerin: that's what I'm here for. FYI water is wet :P |
| 08:10.21 | Guerin | Jebediah: so that's what that stuff all over tha cat is ... |
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| 08:11.55 | irwiss | What's the lightest mail server I could run to only receive mail locally into users' home directories? courier seems a bit heavy |
| 08:12.12 | sarapci | hello, i'm trying to install qmail, which requires ucspi-tcp-src to dedicated server but it asks me to reinstall kernel, what should i do |
| 08:12.18 | juancgt | Jebediah, thanks a lot... it worked like a charm |
| 08:12.25 | Guerin | irwiss: a mail server (any mail server) is only as heavy as its mail load |
| 08:12.38 | Jebediah | juancgt: no prob, glad I could help :) |
| 08:12.51 | Guerin | irwiss: just use exim4, the default - if you get 10,000 messages a day it will be quite heavy; if not, you'll never notice it |
| 08:13.03 | juancgt | alright... im going to bed... gnite! |
| 08:13.08 | Guerin | or whichever other one you're comfortable with |
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| 08:14.22 | wols | sarapci: not using qmail |
| 08:14.24 | wols | !mail |
| 08:14.24 | dpkg | methinks mail is a great program for sending mail, or mutt can send mail from the command line with attachments, or elm rewarded the best emailer of 1999. Pine is out. |
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| 08:14.26 | irwiss | top -b -n1|grep -c courier returns 10 processes, just for the mail server, which is never used for anything but apt-listchanges |
| 08:14.27 | wols | !qmail |
| 08:14.27 | dpkg | qmail is, like, a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it non-free. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. There were no qmail releases since 1998, and a truckload of features and security measures needed for a MTA in use on today's Internet must be patched in by external patches, invalida |
| 08:14.58 | sarapci | wols, i get that question when i try to install uspci-src |
| 08:14.58 | Guerin | irwiss: on any sane mail server you can turn that down. But so what? 10 idle processes isn't much resources. |
| 08:15.35 | irwiss | It's sexually disturbing me that they use my swap |
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| 08:16.00 | Guerin | irwiss: they use your swap? Why on earth? |
| 08:16.13 | Guerin | do you have 4MB ram on this box? |
| 08:16.55 | irwiss | 1gb, but they still end up being swapped out eventually |
| 08:17.16 | irwiss | That's not the point anyway :P |
| 08:17.25 | Guerin | well, they shouldn't be, unless you're redlining it |
| 08:17.45 | Jebediah | time to sleep, ty wols |
| 08:17.55 | Guerin | anyway, it's my prefessional opinion that you're wasting time worrying about it. Is there some other task you are trying to avoid ;)? |
| 08:18.02 | Guerin | pro |
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| 08:18.07 | Guerin | professional |
| 08:18.10 | Guerin | yeesh |
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| 08:18.57 | irwiss | Actually, yes XD, it's all in my mind |
| 08:19.07 | sarapci | http://www.pastebin.ca/613977 can anyone please help me with this? |
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| 08:19.28 | sarapci | "remove the kernel" scares me, as i'm new to debian |
| 08:19.30 | hatter | sarapci, use www.qmailrocks.org if you must us qmail |
| 08:19.44 | hatter | forget about rebuilding the kernel |
| 08:19.55 | Guerin | god no |
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| 08:20.05 | Guerin | never use qmail, ever, for anything |
| 08:20.08 | sarapci | hatter, oki thank you |
| 08:20.22 | pressenter | Mrning. |
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| 08:21.01 | pressenter | I'm trying to get my lm_sensors up, but i don't have the coretemp driver. Anyone knows how to deal with this? |
| 08:21.23 | hatter | qmail works fine. but exim is the official debian mta |
| 08:21.26 | irwiss | pressenter, coretemp is in 2.6.22 |
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| 08:21.48 | pressenter | irwiss: Wow, i have 2.6.18. :/ |
| 08:21.59 | sarapci | hatter, which one is easier to install? |
| 08:22.03 | Guerin | qmail almost works once you patch it beyond recognition, IF you consider `working' to mean `is completely fucking unmaintainable' |
| 08:22.26 | Guerin | sarapci: unless you have a very compelling reason, use exim4. |
| 08:22.33 | irwiss | pressenter, if you're only trying to showoff, install beryl or something, otherwise it shouldn't be too hard to compile 2.6.22 |
| 08:22.44 | hatter | sarapci, listen to guerin |
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| 08:23.14 | sarapci | guerin, okay thank you |
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| 08:23.40 | hatter | Guerin, not true about qmail, it does its job and is not hard to use |
| 08:24.20 | hatter | but i am sure there is a good reason exim is the default mta for debian |
| 08:24.22 | Guerin | hatter: it does its job - if its job is to triple spam. And it's not hard to use - unless you're the maintainer and ever need to change anything, in which case it's insane and evil. |
| 08:24.28 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:24.30 | Guerin | !why exim4 |
| 08:24.31 | dpkg | http://resiak.dyndns.org/~will/logloglog/?m=single&qid=31 |
| 08:24.36 | pressenter | irwiss: Ok, thanks. |
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| 08:25.26 | irwiss | pressenter, google for the debian way of compiling the kernel, will save you some headaches ;) |
| 08:26.25 | pressenter | irwiss: I've already done it a couple of time only on Gentoo, i guess here it is quite similar? :) |
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| 08:26.38 | valdyn | pressenter: temperatures could be available via acpi too |
| 08:26.43 | irwiss | pressenter, I'd say way, way easier |
| 08:26.54 | Guerin | !kp mantra |
| 08:26.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean && VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') && NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=-$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 08:27.00 | wols | hatter: yes. one reason for starters is it fully conforms to DFSG :) |
| 08:27.05 | wols | plus it's maintainted |
| 08:27.05 | Guerin | pressenter: that's how easy ↑ |
| 08:27.08 | wols | -t |
| 08:27.16 | Guerin | maintainABLE |
| 08:27.25 | valdyn | pressenter: in /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0 |
| 08:27.35 | pressenter | Guerin: Ah, thanks. :) |
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| 08:28.40 | pressenter | valdyn: Don't have anything interesting there. |
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| 08:31.24 | alecssys | how can i use two networks at the same time ? ... like if i'm trying to get to some (pages,ftps, etc) from a server i use a different gateway than usual ... |
| 08:31.27 | pressenter | Ok, thanks for help guys, the kernel is compiling. ;) |
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| 08:35.55 | xoz | apt-get install libboost* works... how can i do this in aptitude install? |
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| 08:37.43 | xoz | !ping |
| 08:37.44 | dpkg | pong |
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| 08:37.51 | alecssys | lol |
| 08:37.54 | alecssys | !ping |
| 08:37.54 | dpkg | pong |
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| 08:38.56 | psycodad | alecssys: use routes or better a routing protocol |
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| 08:39.07 | diego2 | need some help. Just installed an internal USB card reader and now I can't boot my box anymore. Root partition lives in a SCSI disk and now it's detected as /dev/sde instead of /dev/sda |
| 08:39.42 | diego2 | seems like kernel is probing usb devices before my scsi card |
| 08:39.55 | diego2 | way before udev is launched |
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| 08:40.25 | diego2 | is there any way to tweak the order devices are probed at boot? |
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| 08:40.55 | psycodad | diego2: dunno, maybe in the bios of the box ? |
| 08:41.05 | diego2 | I've tried to rebuild initfs with initramfs and yaird, but no results |
| 08:41.33 | diego2 | bios can't boot from usb, so I think that's not the problem. |
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| 08:50.42 | Penix | diego2: informed your bootloader of the changes? |
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| 08:52.20 | xyz123 | How come 2.6.22 isnt available for unstable yet? |
| 08:53.34 | shingouz | xyz123: when was it released? give the poor developers a bit of time! if your versionitis is really that bad, get it from kernel.org |
| 08:53.40 | Penix | xyz123: maybe because it came out...what? two days ago or something |
| 08:53.45 | DawnLight | i've configures a NFS server in my lan and i've noticed there's no authentication besides the address. i would like it more secure. i liked the shared/public key openssh uses. is there something like that for NFS? |
| 08:54.50 | xyz123 | shingouz, im not beeing rude, im just curious about the packaging process. What is it the package maintainer does after for example the 2.6.22 realase |
| 08:55.38 | shingouz | xyz123: adds some patches and makes a package out of it i presume |
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| 08:56.04 | kova | hi there |
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| 08:56.33 | kova | I could use some help on my debian install with strange behaviour |
| 08:56.37 | Penix | xyz123: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel |
| 08:56.43 | Penix | xyz123: the Doc section in particular might help |
| 08:58.28 | DawnLight | !tell kova about ask |
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| 08:58.55 | xyz123 | Penix, thanks |
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| 08:59.36 | kova | I have a debian system that starts behaving strangly after a night of running idle |
| 08:59.41 | Elephantman | bye :) |
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| 08:59.55 | kova | that is, some commands are getting very slow |
| 09:00.10 | DawnLight | kova: etch? |
| 09:00.22 | kova | simple things like 'free', 'df' and 'ps' run fine |
| 09:00.29 | joakim | hm. lirc is fucking with me |
| 09:00.37 | joakim | bastard. won't let me do stuff. |
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| 09:01.11 | DawnLight | don't talk about that lirc thing, he owes me money |
| 09:01.18 | kova | don't actually know what deb it is ... linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 09:01.28 | DawnLight | thats etch |
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| 09:01.53 | dimsuz | hi! after testing update, the linux kernel got updated and now nvidia-kernel doesn't work. how to fix that? |
| 09:01.58 | vince36 | hi to all, i want to log ftp request from my lan, i added a log rule but cant see it in /var/log/syslog, apparently only see it in /proc/net/ip_conntrack, im a bit lost, how can see those logs in sylog ?any ideas ? |
| 09:01.59 | DawnLight | did you install anything that isn't debian? |
| 09:02.02 | kova | 'top' doesn't show me output |
| 09:02.35 | joakim | DawnLight: dude, yeah, he owes me money too. :/ got a clue where i could find a lynch mob? |
| 09:02.37 | DawnLight | dimsuz: rebuild the nvidia driver for each kernel. after every kernel update... |
| 09:02.41 | kova | DawnLight, it's meant to run asterisk |
| 09:03.07 | dimsuz | DawnLight: well, I use nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 apt package. how to rebuild it? |
| 09:03.16 | dimsuz | i'm not using sources |
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| 09:04.15 | DawnLight | dimsuz: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 09:04.36 | h3sp4wn | !tell dimsuz about nvidia_post_etch |
| 09:04.42 | dimsuz | DawnLight: thanks! i'll read it |
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| 09:04.58 | tralala | is there a programme that will extract all the attachments from an mbox file? |
| 09:05.00 | DawnLight | kova: take off your hat run some memory tests, HDD tests, etc. |
| 09:05.13 | dimsuz | h3sp4wn: cool! you're my hero :) |
| 09:05.37 | DawnLight | dimsuz: the document explains two ways. go the debian way |
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| 09:06.14 | DawnLight | dimsuz: don't forget to uninstall all nvidia stuff from your system before you start |
| 09:06.27 | dimsuz | DawnLight: thanks, man! |
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| 09:06.43 | kova | how could hardware be the problem if most of my box stills runs fine? |
| 09:07.08 | Aav | tralala: a command line program? |
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| 09:09.13 | dimsuz | DawnLight: how to find which package are installed by mask. E.g. I want some tool so I can say: tool "nvidia*" -> and it shows me all nvidia* packages which I have installed |
| 09:09.23 | dimsuz | some dpkg | grep magick? |
| 09:10.10 | DawnLight | my pleasure |
| 09:10.42 | tralala | Aav, yes |
| 09:10.56 | dimsuz | oh, he left. can anyone please give me a quick answer on my question to DawnLight above ^^^^? |
| 09:12.33 | h3sp4wn | dimsuz: aptitude search nvidia~i |
| 09:12.58 | dimsuz | h3sp4wn: i'll never stop learning :). cool. thanks |
| 09:13.01 | Aav | tralala: i'm sure there's one in Debian, but right now i dont' recall the name, something like mime decode |
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| 09:15.20 | Aav | tralala: probably it's sharutils |
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| 09:16.48 | stew | tralala: there is uudeview, but i don't know if it will work on an entire mbox at once |
| 09:17.36 | tralala | stew, actually I need it for a simgle message in mbox format |
| 09:18.03 | cast | just open it with mutt |
| 09:19.44 | tralala | stew, uudeview seems to be just what I needed, thanks! |
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| 09:22.54 | karmatronic | what are the available terminal-base music players available with jack |
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| 09:23.30 | cast | mplayer -ao help list jack |
| 09:24.31 | karmatronic | cast: yeah , apart from mplayer and vlc |
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| 09:24.51 | karmatronic | cast: what version of debian are you running? |
| 09:25.06 | cast | etch, with a debianmultimedia mplayer me thinks |
| 09:25.09 | karmatronic | cos testing or stable dont have mplayer |
| 09:25.24 | karmatronic | stable debianmultimedia? |
| 09:25.31 | tralala | *has* mplayer! |
| 09:25.38 | tralala | stable *has* mplayer |
| 09:25.49 | streuner | !find mplayer |
| 09:25.50 | karmatronic | right, right mplayer s etch version supports jack |
| 09:26.00 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mplayer' (5 of 28): (/usr/bin/ymplayer) in sound/stymulator ;; (/usr/share/fish/completions/mplayer.fish) in shells/fish ;; (/usr/share/awstats/icon/browser/mplayer.png) in web/awstats ;; (/usr/share/doc/selflinux-pdf/pdf/mplayer.pdf) in doc/selflinux-pdf ;; (/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/emms/emms-player-mplayer.el) in sound/emms. |
| 09:26.03 | karmatronic | but etch jack doesnt support freebob |
| 09:26.33 | tralala | !info mplayer etch |
| 09:26.38 | dpkg | mplayer: (The Movie Player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0~rc1-12etch (etch), Packaged size: 4317 kB, Installed size: 9772 kB |
| 09:26.38 | karmatronic | which led me to testing since compiled jack are not "recognized" by mplayer stable version |
| 09:26.46 | solars_ | I want to set the cpu freq governor with my screenlocker, anyone got an idea how to do this? I can't echo into the scaling_governor file as a normal user, without sudo |
| 09:26.58 | subx | im trying to learn how chroot works. i want to create a test user and chroot the user to the /home/test directory. does anybody have any references on how to do this? |
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| 09:27.17 | karmatronic | tralala: mplayer s etch version has jack support but etch s jack doesnt have freebob(needed for firewire sound cards) |
| 09:27.18 | xand | !chrtoot |
| 09:27.20 | xand | !chroot |
| 09:27.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 09:27.24 | subx | thanks |
| 09:27.31 | xand | though not sure that's the right thing |
| 09:27.47 | karmatronic | tralala: i ll switch to unstable , but passing after from unstable to testing will be pain in the ass |
| 09:28.12 | tralala | karmatronic, a firewire soundcard?! You're living on the edge |
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| 09:28.35 | karmatronic | tralala: well actually it s already working , with jack and all that |
| 09:28.36 | Elephantman | hello |
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| 09:28.46 | karmatronic | tralala: only mplayer that doesnt work ... |
| 09:28.47 | tralala | karmatronic, don't go to unstable, backport the packages that you need |
| 09:28.56 | tralala | karmatronic, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 09:29.06 | karmatronic | backporting mplayer ? |
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| 09:29.45 | tralala | as far as I understand it's jack that's the problem, not mplayer |
| 09:30.11 | karmatronic | tralala: no it s not jackd cos alsaplayer works perfectly |
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| 09:30.32 | karmatronic | tralala: but i cant stand alsaplayer |
| 09:30.53 | karmatronic | tralala: finds out mpd/mpc one week ago , and it s fun too |
| 09:31.02 | tralala | is mplayer in stable compiled with jack support? |
| 09:31.06 | karmatronic | tralala: but without jack support |
| 09:31.10 | karmatronic | tralala: yes |
| 09:31.18 | karmatronic | tralala: but in testing , no .... |
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| 09:31.24 | tralala | so what's not working then? |
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| 09:31.58 | karmatronic | jack s stable version doesnt have freebob support , which is needed for firewire cards |
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| 09:32.14 | solars_ | does anyone know a way to let a normal user set the cpu speed? without sudo |
| 09:32.37 | tralala | so backport jack to stable and run stable |
| 09:33.11 | karmatronic | tralala: you mean backporting jack testing version to stable |
| 09:33.33 | Elephantman | I've intalled and configured proftpd, when I try to start it with "sudo /etc/init.d/proftpd start" it seems ok (Starting ftp server: proftpd.). but when I run a "ps aux | grep ftp" i get nothing. any clue ? |
| 09:34.08 | cafuego | Elephantman: $EDITOR /etc/defaults/proftpd |
| 09:34.10 | karmatronic | tralala: well , the other thing is that when you move to testing , it s kind of nonsense (and probably complicated) to switch back to stable |
| 09:34.23 | cafuego | Spcifcially, is it set up to run stand-alone or from inetd? |
| 09:34.32 | karmatronic | tralala: i could backport mplayer from unstable .... |
| 09:34.59 | Elephantman | cafuego> i've put standalone, inetd produced an error |
| 09:35.20 | tralala | karmatronic, you shouldn't have moved to testing in the first place |
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| 09:35.36 | karmatronic | tralala: but since mplayer ´s latest doesnt compile either , i guess my best chance now is to find out a recent version of mplayer that compiles with jack support against my testing |
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| 09:36.22 | tralala | karmatronic, you don't really need to backport mplayer in testing, you just need to recompile it with jack enabled |
| 09:36.34 | karmatronic | tralala: well actually i m kingd glad to have moved to testing , i got the latest packages , gnome2.18,.... so the real question was more , why didnt i do it before |
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| 09:36.43 | tralala | I mean rebuild it from source |
| 09:36.50 | karmatronic | tralala: right , i did that |
| 09:37.04 | karmatronic | tralala: but the version of mplayer i used couldnt compile with jack support |
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| 09:37.26 | tralala | karmatronic, these are the benefits, wait 'till you discover the drawbacks |
| 09:37.43 | karmatronic | tralala: but you re right , no that i m thinking i had better compiled an appropriate version of mplayer |
| 09:38.11 | karmatronic | tralala: well i used to run etch when it was testing ,and the problems are kind of minor |
| 09:38.43 | karmatronic | karmatronic: just have to be ready for some little problems, like , all of a sudden , you dont have X |
| 09:39.09 | karmatronic | tralala: but that doesnt happen that much |
| 09:39.24 | tralala | anyway the road to go is - take the sources from lenny, change debian/rules, rebuild |
| 09:39.52 | karmatronic | tralala: yeah did that but it didnt compile |
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| 09:40.02 | mashuuk | Hi |
| 09:40.11 | h3sp4wn | karmatronic: maybe have a look in the repository for 64studio at the source stuff there |
| 09:40.14 | mashuuk | Why apt-build doesnt use flags set in apt-build.conf ? |
| 09:40.19 | tralala | then you find out why it doesn't compile, fix it and rebuild |
| 09:40.21 | mashuuk | I am trying to rebuild bzflag package |
| 09:40.27 | mashuuk | however it doesnt use my flags |
| 09:40.28 | h3sp4wn | karmatronic: that is based on etch |
| 09:40.37 | mashuuk | instead it use the default one |
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| 09:41.14 | karmatronic | tralala: well the reason for not compiling is that i use libjack , jackd,...from the unstable version |
| 09:41.15 | mashuuk | Any ideas? |
| 09:41.25 | tralala | mashuuk, did you change debian/rules? |
| 09:41.41 | mashuuk | tralala, no |
| 09:41.55 | tralala | karmatronic, and it has incompatible api? |
| 09:41.59 | karmatronic | tralala: cos the unstable versions are the one with freebob enabled , and with qjacktl working too |
| 09:42.02 | tralala | mashdo it |
| 09:42.05 | vorpal | good morning. question about running multiple X servers: i have two graphics adapters, and i would like to have a dedicated X server running on each one. any suggestions for doing this? should i produce a xserver.conf for each one, or is there a way to specify both adapters in the original xserver.conf, and select which "screen" to use? |
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| 09:42.17 | mashuuk | tralala, hmm ok |
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| 09:42.21 | karmatronic | tralala: that s my guess for not compling |
| 09:42.21 | cat | what packaged does it bring the startx? |
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| 09:42.42 | karmatronic | tralala: so the reason for thinking of switching to unstable |
| 09:42.44 | h3sp4wn | karmatronic: http://apt.64studio.com/64studio/64studio_1.4.0.apt/pool/main/j/jack-audio-connection-kit/ (or check backports yourself) |
| 09:42.51 | o2T7 | hi |
| 09:42.59 | tralala | karmatronic, guess is not good enough when you're building from source |
| 09:43.00 | o2T7 | i have compiled a new kernel |
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| 09:43.20 | o2T7 | i was using a module with the last kernel version |
| 09:43.36 | o2T7 | After depmod -a i can't see the module anyway |
| 09:43.56 | o2T7 | Is is always necessary to compile the module with a new kernel version? |
| 09:44.00 | o2T7 | Is it* |
| 09:44.03 | karmatronic | tralala: well guess is the only rescue when googling the error message doesnt help |
| 09:44.27 | karmatronic | tralala: guess is part of the "solving procedure" |
| 09:44.29 | Aav | cat: ask dpkg, /msg dpkg find startx |
| 09:44.30 | karmatronic | :) |
| 09:44.50 | shingouz | o2T7: yes it is |
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| 09:44.55 | streuner | !startx |
| 09:44.56 | dpkg | methinks startx is a script that starts the X Window System , configure X before starting it. If the rest of X seems present, try getting xbase-clients. see starting gnome, or the way god intended X to be started. Issue 'startx <command> <xclient-options> -- <server> <xserver-options>' to specify specific client to start. Session will exit when that client exits. |
| 09:44.56 | tralala | no it is not - reading the source is |
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| 09:45.20 | o2T7 | sorry? |
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| 09:45.48 | o2T7 | tralala: what do you mean with "reading the source"? |
| 09:45.57 | tralala | o2T7, I'm speaking to karmatronic |
| 09:45.59 | shingouz | o2T7: yes it is necessary to compile the module you want to use for the specific kernel you use |
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| 09:46.16 | o2T7 | shingouz: thank you :) |
| 09:46.30 | o2T7 | tralala: excuse me ;) |
| 09:46.41 | karmatronic | tralala: ok i admit i could try reading the sources |
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| 09:48.33 | tralala | there are plenty of reasons for something not building but most often it's missing dependancies or incompatible versions |
| 09:49.17 | tralala | karmatronic, you should find out where your problems are coming from and deal with them accordingly |
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| 09:50.10 | lixus | hi, is there a way do downgrade a system with the help of apt ? I am running sarge but installed some etch packages. now my openoffice.org does not work anymore therefore I would like to make sure that I have no packages newer than sarge installe. Is this possible ? |
| 09:50.24 | karmatronic | tralala: yeah you re right, i just asked whether somebody were running an enable jack mplayer version in testing ot unstable |
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| 09:50.35 | lkthomas | guys, I don't want a shell user who could browser the whole system, what should I do? |
| 09:50.40 | tralala | lixus, /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 09:50.58 | cast | lkthomas: use vserver :) |
| 09:51.33 | lkthomas | cast: hmm ? isn't there have something call jail ?! |
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| 09:52.15 | shingouz | lixus: and in anycase if you are still running sarge, you really should upgrade to etch. etch is the new stable, you know |
| 09:52.25 | lixus | tralala: thanks, does not give me a lot of hope |
| 09:52.27 | cast | lkthomas: chroot jails mildly suck, a systrace jail would be good - but etch doesn't have systrace in apt anymore, but we do have vserver, which will do as a good step in for a short coming of chroot |
| 09:52.32 | lixus | shingouz: never change a running system |
| 09:52.50 | tralala | lixus, that's the state of affairs |
| 09:52.57 | shingouz | lixus: if i lived by that, i would still be running slink on this box |
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| 09:53.40 | tralala | s/never change/consider carefully changing/ |
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| 09:53.59 | lixus | sure you are right guys |
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| 09:57.21 | lixus | but I am interested in general: isn't there any way to check installed packages against what should be installed in a release and then downgrade the packages that are newer ? |
| 09:57.22 | joga | hello, where could I find the number of debian packages available (from the sources I currently have)? |
| 09:57.54 | lixus | or is it possible to create a profile of the system, then install some random packages and later rollback to that profile ? |
| 09:58.21 | joga | ah, apt-cache stats |
| 09:58.52 | overnout | lixus: there is |
| 09:59.36 | overnout | lixus: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-pin |
| 09:59.39 | lixus | overnout: and that is ? |
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| 10:00.07 | overnout | lixus: the article "How to keep specific versions of packages installed" |
| 10:01.06 | lixus | overnout: yes, I know about pinning but what I am looking for is "roleback" |
| 10:01.23 | overnout | oh to get the old packages ? |
| 10:01.24 | tralala | lixus, it might be possible to downgrade packages manually in some particular cases. It's up to you to find out if your case is one of them. |
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| 10:02.16 | stew | lixus: there is no automated way of doing what you want to do, perhaps something using apt-show-versions could be scripted |
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| 10:02.54 | Aav | lixus: you can take a snapshot of your patition(s), do the damage and then rollback |
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| 10:03.43 | klausjan | can anyone please look at this? http://www.pastebin.ca/614055 .. i did apt-get -f install but no luck |
| 10:04.38 | cast | so what does dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/psa-courier-imap_3.0.8-debian3.1.build82070706.15_i386.deb say? |
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| 10:04.56 | cast | it'll error in some way, i'm not suggesting running that cmd is a good idea :) |
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| 10:05.51 | Eulex | klausjan, umh, what package is that and where did you get it? also, I've never seen the warning about "Your software might be inoperable" before. |
| 10:06.29 | klausjan | eulex, i'm trying to install plesk, it gave me that |
| 10:06.43 | lkthomas | cast: any docs on vserver ? |
| 10:07.04 | stew | klausjan: that error tells you what to do |
| 10:07.07 | klausjan | cast, http://www.pastebin.ca/614068 |
| 10:07.09 | cast | lkthomas: theres a howto on a debian site, debianadministrator or some such, google :) |
| 10:07.15 | stew | "Please, contact product technical support." |
| 10:07.23 | lkthomas | cast: vserver is not Xen, right ? |
| 10:07.26 | Eulex | klausjan, the packages are built for 3.1. are you running that? |
| 10:07.36 | klausjan | yes i am |
| 10:07.55 | klausjan | running debian sarge |
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| 10:08.10 | cast | klausjan: well you can see the conflict right? |
| 10:08.14 | cast | lkthomas: it is not xen. |
| 10:08.28 | lkthomas | cast: hmm |
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| 10:08.38 | lkthomas | cast: why no support on jail anymore ? |
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| 10:09.27 | klausjan | cast, sorry to say that but.. i cant |
| 10:09.56 | stew | klausjan: you are trying to mix sarge with etch which is not supported |
| 10:10.38 | stew | klausjan: if you want to run those third party sarge packages with a mixed sarge/etch install, you should probably be seeking support from whomever built those non-debian packages |
| 10:10.44 | klausjan | stew, /etc/debian_version says 3.1, and i downloaded plesk autoinstaller for debian 3.1, what would be wrong? |
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| 10:11.11 | stew | klausjan: what is wrong is that you've installed some etch packages onto your sarge installer, such as courier-authlib which doesn't exist for sarge, only etch and later |
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| 10:11.18 | hatter_ | how can knoppix 3.9 detect a sata hard disk but etch not ? |
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| 10:11.41 | klausjan | i just need a working MTA.. exim gave me unroutable address, qmail's dependency wants me to remove kernel. plesk installs everything good so i decided on plesk but .. |
| 10:11.43 | valdyn | hatter_: which kernel is knoppix 3.9 using? |
| 10:11.53 | hatter_ | valdyn, good point, i will check |
| 10:12.34 | valdyn | !etch 2.6.21 |
| 10:12.37 | valdyn | !etch 2.6.20 |
| 10:12.37 | dpkg | well, etch 2.6.20 is avaiable at backports.org - ask me about <bpo> |
| 10:13.22 | cast | http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-latest-2.6/ only .21 in there |
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| 10:14.13 | valdyn | dpkg: no, etch 2.6.20 is replaced by <etch 2.6.21> |
| 10:14.13 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
| 10:14.41 | stew | bpo does still have 2.6.20, but sure |
| 10:14.50 | hatter_ | valdyn: the knoppix cd is using 2.6.11 |
| 10:14.51 | valdyn | dpkg: etch 2.6.21 is avaiable at backports.org - ask me about <bpo> |
| 10:14.51 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
| 10:14.58 | valdyn | stew: oh? |
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| 10:15.08 | valdyn | dpkg: no, etch 2.6.20 is avaiable at backports.org - ask me about <bpo> |
| 10:15.09 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
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| 10:15.18 | harpal | how to get website url which is accessed |
| 10:15.21 | stew | klausjan: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 10:15.28 | cast | http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ ahh my bad. .20 is there :) |
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| 10:15.52 | hatter_ | which version is the default etch kernel ? |
| 10:16.00 | hatter_ | 2.6.18 ? |
| 10:16.02 | valdyn | hatter_: ok, highly unlikely that what you say is true - though possible. Why do you think that sata disk is not found? |
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| 10:16.25 | hatter_ | valdyn, the installer says it cannot find the hard disks and brings up a list of drivers to use |
| 10:16.26 | valdyn | hatter_: yes |
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| 10:16.47 | hatter_ | i just d/l'ed the latest installer |
| 10:16.58 | hatter_ | it is a via8237 sata chipset |
| 10:17.22 | valdyn | hatter_: that's supported jsut fine by a 2.6.18 kernel |
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| 10:17.34 | valdyn | hatter_: probably not by a 2.6.11 kernel - that's confusing |
| 10:17.41 | hatter_ | i am confused |
| 10:17.56 | hatter_ | the installer stops saying it cannot find the hard disks |
| 10:18.08 | hatter_ | its not that new a mobo |
| 10:18.16 | valdyn | hatter_: maybe its the sarge installer |
| 10:18.20 | hatter_ | no |
| 10:18.26 | hatter_ | i just got the latest etch installer |
| 10:18.35 | valdyn | hatter_: do this: run lspci -n and use that at |
| 10:18.39 | valdyn | !whichi driver |
| 10:18.43 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 10:18.43 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 10:18.45 | valdyn | ^^^^^ |
| 10:18.57 | hatter_ | ok |
| 10:19.59 | hatter_ | lspci -n in the knoppix shell just gives me addresses |
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| 10:20.51 | hatter_ | ah |
| 10:20.57 | hatter_ | i just visited the website |
| 10:21.03 | valdyn | 04:01.2 0480: 14f1:8802 (rev 05) <- that's not addresses |
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| 10:21.54 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.20 |
| 10:21.55 | dpkg | from memory, sarge 2.6.20 is http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 10:21.57 | lkthomas | cast: are you using vserver now ? |
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| 10:22.33 | cast | i am |
| 10:23.13 | lkthomas | cast: it does not have any limitation on CPU / memory resource ? |
| 10:23.20 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 10:23.49 | valdyn | hatter_: its a chipset that i own |
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| 10:24.08 | valdyn | hatter_: which is why etch not supporting it sounds particularily confusing |
| 10:24.12 | SoulChild | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 10:24.12 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
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| 10:24.23 | cast | lkthomas: are you asking 'can i limit cpu/memory use' or 'is there a sigificant performance hit from using it'? |
| 10:24.37 | xipietotec | anyone know if there are any plans to add Conary-like functionality to apt? |
| 10:24.37 | lkthomas | cast: hmm, both ? :) |
| 10:25.03 | valdyn | hatter_: do you have a promise sata controller on that board too btw> |
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| 10:25.17 | GreaseMonkey | gnight everyone |
| 10:25.27 | hatter_ | its some sort of raid controller |
| 10:25.31 | hatter_ | not sure if its promise |
| 10:25.38 | cast | lkthomas: i can't remember regarding the former, regarding the later - theres always some, but compared to xen/uml the overhead is tiny |
| 10:25.45 | valdyn | hatter_: certainly fakeraid |
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| 10:26.14 | valdyn | hatter_: mainboard asus k8v se dlx ( that's mine ) |
| 10:26.16 | Slump | Hi, it is possible to create a custom facility using syslog? how? |
| 10:26.21 | hatter_ | yes, it had windows on it, so i removed the raid array in the little menu at boot |
| 10:27.08 | lkthomas | cast: so how could you control the resource management |
| 10:27.40 | valdyn | hatter_: i think its in fact not finding your CDROM drive, is that possible? |
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| 10:27.56 | hatter_ | its booting from the cdrom... |
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| 10:28.03 | hatter_ | that would make me laugh |
| 10:28.05 | hatter_ | i will check |
| 10:28.06 | cast | lkthomas: i do not know, check the documentation ;). i was not concerned with that |
| 10:28.10 | valdyn | hatter_: that means about nothing ( that it boots from it ) |
| 10:28.17 | hatter_ | yes |
| 10:28.19 | hatter_ | one sec |
| 10:28.23 | lkthomas | cast: well, I want to know how YOU did the resource management :) |
| 10:28.27 | valdyn | hatter_: linux has no proper support for the PROMISE pata connector on that mainboard |
| 10:28.42 | valdyn | hatter_: use the via chipsets pata |
| 10:28.54 | hatter_ | valdyn, its sata |
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| 10:29.04 | hatter_ | its a gigabyte ga-7vm400am |
| 10:29.08 | valdyn | hatter_: the cdrom is sata? |
| 10:29.12 | hatter_ | oops |
| 10:29.17 | hatter_ | not sure |
| 10:29.21 | hatter_ | will check |
| 10:29.29 | hatter_ | (i keep running to the other room) |
| 10:29.32 | hatter_ | hehe |
| 10:29.33 | cast | lkthomas: i didn't! i ran newvserver, and started using it. unless there were default resource constraints i used none |
| 10:29.34 | valdyn | hatter_: i need to check out that board first.. |
| 10:30.11 | hatter_ | the cdrom is pata |
| 10:30.12 | lkthomas | I see |
| 10:30.41 | valdyn | hatter_: now how many pata connectors are on that mainboard? |
| 10:31.09 | valdyn | hatter_: if its like this asus board there's ~3 and one at least is on the promise chipset and doesnt work with linux |
| 10:32.03 | hatter_ | there are 2 pata |
| 10:32.19 | hatter_ | i cant see a promise chipset |
| 10:32.22 | hatter_ | only the via one |
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| 10:32.54 | hatter_ | according to the hcl it should be the sata_via |
| 10:33.03 | hatter_ | hmmm |
| 10:33.13 | hatter_ | rebooting again now with etch netinst |
| 10:33.23 | valdyn | hatter_: sata_via is only for the sata ports |
| 10:33.31 | valdyn | hatter_: there's an extra driver for the pata ports |
| 10:34.06 | valdyn | hatter_: you want to check which disks _really_ are missing ( with cat /proc/scsi/scsi for instance ) |
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| 10:35.33 | hatter_ | it wont get past it |
| 10:35.39 | hatter_ | if i ignore the no disks |
| 10:35.51 | hatter_ | there are no partitions in the next section |
| 10:36.24 | Jun-Dai | I have a question. If I'm on an i686 machine trying to compile ruby for an amd64 machine with the same version of Debian on it (but without gcc, etc.), what's the correct way to do that? |
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| 10:37.25 | Jun-Dai | can I just do something along the lines of ./configure --target=x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu ? |
| 10:37.47 | hatter_ | would the etch installer fail if it load the pata drivers ? |
| 10:37.52 | hatter_ | 'if it cant' |
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| 10:40.58 | Michelle80xx | Really nice website vote and revenge people, feelings, faliure, the intelligent way of revenge: www.revengebay.com |
| 10:42.07 | ledet | only thing i wonder about now is how to get revenge on that website... |
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| 10:52.13 | hatter_ | valdyn, cat /proc/scsi/scsi says no attached devices |
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| 11:00.02 | x_link | sedde@sedde:~$ sudo aptitude upgrade |
| 11:00.03 | x_link | W: The "upgrade" command is deprecated; use "safe-upgrade" instead. |
| 11:00.05 | x_link | What does that mean? |
| 11:00.26 | lvh | x_link: it means you should use safe-upgrade instead |
| 11:00.35 | x_link | But what is wrong with the other thing? |
| 11:00.40 | x_link | "the other way" |
| 11:00.49 | lvh | x_link: whatis apt scores |
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| 11:01.00 | x_link | lvh: What? |
| 11:01.44 | lvh | dpkg: score |
| 11:01.45 | dpkg | Your Personal Self-Government Score is 70%, Your Economic Self-Government Score is 70%. |
| 11:01.51 | lvh | damnit. |
| 11:02.03 | x_link | dpkg: score |
| 11:02.04 | dpkg | Your Personal Self-Government Score is 90%, Your Economic Self-Government Score is 70%. |
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| 11:02.38 | x_link | lvh: Sorry, I don't really understand what you mean. But I will use sudo aptitude safe-upgrade from now on. |
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| 11:03.11 | KimuSan^ | if both apt-get remove and apt-get install of a package fails (it is installed but fails since configuration state never finished during install) what should I then do? |
| 11:03.36 | joakim | dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 11:03.44 | joakim | or use aptitude instead? |
| 11:03.55 | stew | aptitude wouldn't help |
| 11:04.03 | mx-zoom | is there a safe-upgrade? |
| 11:04.24 | Aav | KimuSan^: a bug in the package? |
| 11:04.27 | stew | KimuSan^: you can try to debug the postinst script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ by adding 'set -x' as the second line of the script |
| 11:04.49 | KimuSan^ | Aav: might be. mailscanner 4.58.9-2 |
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| 11:05.36 | stew | KimuSan^: of, if you are on testing/unstable you should definately be checking the bts: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 11:06.56 | KimuSan^ | stew: bts? |
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| 11:07.28 | KimuSan^ | ahh bugtracker |
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| 11:12.30 | nfi|ermes | how can i know which version of debian is installed ? |
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| 11:13.50 | dannx | good morning. |
| 11:13.55 | cast | !tell nfi|ermes about version |
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| 11:19.38 | dromer | can anyone here help me to set up SynCE for my Acer N10? (#synce is quite empty with no response) |
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| 11:20.01 | sussudio | dromer: no. |
| 11:20.29 | KimuSan^ | invoke-rc.d: initscript mailscanner, action "stop" failed. <-- this is what it fails with. mailscanner is not running so ofcause it cant stop it. if I start it, the script still cant stop them but leaves multiple processes behind. |
| 11:20.34 | dromer | sussudio: :( |
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| 11:28.23 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
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| 11:29.26 | xand | fail |
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| 11:30.06 | SoulChild | are there any news about the firefox flash problem ? |
| 11:30.14 | SoulChild | !flash |
| 11:30.14 | dpkg | hmm... flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 11:30.23 | SoulChild | !flash problem |
| 11:30.38 | sussudio | %flash SoulChild |
| 11:30.43 | cast | flash is a problem, |
| 11:31.05 | SoulChild | cast any alternatives? |
| 11:31.06 | _prsr_ | whats going on when apt-get wants me to use "apt-get -f install" and when i do it wants to remove way to many packages |
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| 11:31.33 | SoulChild | _prsr_: apt-get --help |
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| 11:32.07 | SoulChild | cast: so there is nor going te be a fix next time ? |
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| 11:33.20 | cast | don't look at me. i don't use flash. |
| 11:33.42 | _prsr_ | how does that explain apt-get wanting to remove all kinds of stuff that it shouldn't mess with? |
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| 11:37.26 | stew | _prsr_: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 11:37.36 | abrotman | SoulChild: flash is a problem |
| 11:38.30 | stew | SoulChild: you haven't even told us which problem you are talking about |
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| 11:39.44 | vorpal | cool. running a second X server on the second graphics adapter turned out to be quite easy |
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| 11:41.14 | _prsr_ | http://rafb.net/p/Pv4cz693.html |
| 11:41.21 | tarzeau | did anyone get maya 8.5 on debian etch to work? |
| 11:41.24 | _prsr_ | thats what i get :/ |
| 11:41.33 | tarzeau | it's crashing here: maya encountered a fatal error, Signal: 11 (Unknown Signal) |
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| 11:43.00 | metbsd | where is the soft raid information stored? |
| 11:43.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: isn't maya closed-source and not in debian ? |
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| 11:44.04 | Aav | _prsr_: mixed Sarge Etch? |
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| 11:44.48 | _prsr_ | could be yea, i changed sources.list to say sarge instead of stable though |
| 11:44.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: indeed |
| 11:45.28 | stew | _prsr_: you've already partially upgraded to etch though |
| 11:45.50 | Aav | _prsr_: bug apt doesn't know "downgrade" |
| 11:46.24 | _prsr_ | hehe, yea, i wish apt had a downgrade feature... would be quite nice in production enviroments |
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| 11:46.51 | stew | _prsr_: in a production environment, you should only ever be running stable or oldstable, and there shouldn't be need to downgrade |
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| 11:47.11 | stew | _prsr_: "/msg dpkg sarge->etch" for information on completing your upgrade to etch |
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| 11:47.26 | _prsr_ | uhm, actually i would still want to be able to downgrade within stable |
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| 11:47.58 | _prsr_ | so i suppose i'll have to go through upgrading it to etch then ? |
| 11:47.59 | stew | _prsr_: downgrade from stable to oldstable? or downgrade in order to remove a security fix? |
| 11:48.43 | Skyrail | Is there an ls command option that pauses when the files fill the screen then you can continue it on because I can't scroll using the command line |
| 11:48.43 | tarzeau | Skyrail: ls | more ? |
| 11:48.44 | stew | _prsr_: it is possible to downgrade packages, but you have to do it manually, and there is no guarantee that the package will work, since some packages make irreversible changes to config files upon upgrade |
| 11:49.00 | Aav | _prsr_: you can manually reinstall all the needed package to oldstable (Sarge), or move to stable (Etch) |
| 11:49.07 | _prsr_ | downgrading within a distribution stable/oldstable should be possible imo yea, but not really related to my apt question at the mo |
| 11:49.11 | Skyrail | tarzeau: thanks, probably missed it in the man file :( |
| 11:49.17 | tarzeau | Skyrail: it's not in the man file |
| 11:49.24 | tarzeau | Skyrail: it's how unix works |
| 11:49.50 | Skyrail | tarzeau: heh, ok so I'm just uneducated in it, not stupid as well |
| 11:50.14 | stew | _prsr_: generally the only reason that there would be a version to downgrade to within stable is when a new version was release to fix a security hole. don't know why one would want to downgrade in that case, but it would still be possible with "aptitude install package=version" |
| 11:50.25 | tarzeau | Skyrail: indeed |
| 11:50.26 | stew | _prsr_: what is your apt question at the moment then? |
| 11:50.41 | stew | Skyrail: you can also probably use ctrl+pgup to scroll |
| 11:50.57 | _prsr_ | well, i wanted to know why apt was messing with me |
| 11:51.03 | _prsr_ | which i do now, so thanks :) |
| 11:51.16 | Skyrail | stew oh ok, I'll give that a try as well thanks |
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| 11:52.27 | J_P | hi all |
| 11:52.48 | _prsr_ | is there some resource to see how i'd go about installing sarge versions of whatever packages got installed from etch? |
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| 11:53.14 | J_P | hey people, Is possible in IPtraf show IP instead MAC ADDRESS (left) ? |
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| 11:53.24 | tarzeau | J_P: sure |
| 11:53.53 | J_P | tarzeau: sould you tell how ? I see in man, but not find... |
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| 11:54.57 | tarzeau | J_P: what are you looking for, let's be in the main menu of iptraf right? |
| 11:55.16 | tarzeau | J_P: can you not just tell what you really want to find out? |
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| 11:56.14 | zwox | hi |
| 11:56.26 | Aav | _prsr_: i'll try changing apt source to Sarge and then reinstall all the packages, but probably won't work automatically |
| 11:56.34 | Aav | !reinstall |
| 11:56.35 | dpkg | methinks reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 11:56.48 | stew | no, that won't work |
| 11:57.08 | zwox | i've eard that a ati fireglv5200 could run under radeon driver, but when i try X doesn't start |
| 11:57.35 | J_P | tarzeau: In my network have someone that are using large bandwith.. and in gateway i run iptraf and show all mac in iptraf right I look what mac are using more bandwith and in Gateway I do arp -v and see who (what IP) is that MAC... |
| 11:57.46 | zwox | it only returns "no device found" |
| 11:57.51 | J_P | tarzeau: but have mac in iptraf where don't have in arp -v |
| 11:57.53 | Aav | stew: yeah, i suppose he need to do it manually |
| 11:58.05 | stew | _prsr_: if you really want to downgrade the best way is to use the aptitude frontend. when you hit enter on a package, you can select a specific version to install by hiligting it and hitting + |
| 11:58.13 | tarzeau | J_P: interesting |
| 11:58.29 | tarzeau | J_P: and you can't find out the ip address of the guy with the mac address? |
| 11:58.30 | zwox | so radeon script does not reconize the m56GL but i know it can work |
| 11:58.41 | _prsr_ | yea, no aptitude on this box though :( |
| 11:58.49 | zwox | but on every forum, doc etc etc i can find with google |
| 11:58.52 | stew | _prsr_: install it |
| 11:58.57 | metbsd | finally i reinstalled debian |
| 11:58.59 | metbsd | what a release |
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| 11:59.04 | zwox | it deals with fglrx driver |
| 11:59.15 | _prsr_ | apt-get install aptitude will make apt whine again i'm sure |
| 11:59.16 | J_P | tarzeau: exactaly |
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| 11:59.40 | J_P | tarzeau: so if is possible see in iptraf IP instead MAC is easy |
| 11:59.40 | Skyrail | Anyone managed to get php5 working with lighttpd? I'm having some problems with Firefox wanting to download the PHP file as opposed to display it...I'm not sure if it's the server or the client PCs problem :B |
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| 12:00.03 | abrotman | Skyrail: clear the browser cache and restart it |
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| 12:00.15 | stew | _prsr_: then you'll have to downgrade the packages its complaining about with "apt-get install package1=version package2=version..." |
| 12:00.49 | Skyrail | abrotman: ok |
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| 12:00.58 | _prsr_ | version is "sarge" or whatever sarge lists as the current version in, say packages.debian.org ? |
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| 12:01.17 | tarzeau | J_P: in configure go to Source MAC addrs in traffic monitor make it be On |
| 12:01.27 | stew | _prsr_: no, a specific version number, which you can find via packages.debian.org or 'apt-cache policy packagename' |
| 12:01.35 | tarzeau | J_P: then go into IP traffic monitor and press m |
| 12:01.39 | Skyrail | abrotman: thanks, it worked :) |
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| 12:03.53 | J_P | tarzeau: I would like in "LAN statio monitor" option |
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| 12:07.26 | _prsr_ | i should use the first line after "version table" then right? |
| 12:08.00 | J_P | tarzeau: or know another like as iptraf for me test ? |
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| 12:10.01 | _prsr_ | nm, found it |
| 12:10.09 | _prsr_ | thx for the tips all |
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| 12:12.53 | AKX | !ping |
| 12:12.54 | dpkg | pong |
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| 12:14.05 | Lukemob | sn0 you here, sir? |
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| 12:14.32 | Maerz | I search a minimalistic(=no menu and stuff) utf-8 supporting background displayable terminal emulator. atm i try Eterm, but no UTF8 here.. |
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| 12:14.38 | Maerz | Suggestions? |
| 12:15.05 | tarzeau | J_P: a sniffer? |
| 12:15.09 | azeem | Maerz: maybe aterm, not sure |
| 12:15.19 | azeem | (if that can do backgrounds) |
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| 12:15.28 | stew | Maerz: urxvt |
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| 12:19.23 | Lukemob | Guys, please check that: http://mysql.gamesdesign.org/ --- Where could be prob? |
| 12:19.58 | Elephantman | bye :) |
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| 12:20.16 | J_P | tarzeau: yes |
| 12:20.42 | J_P | has somes ghost MAC here :-) |
| 12:20.55 | abrotman | Lukemob: ask your admin |
| 12:21.12 | Lukemob | abrotman, I'm an admin. |
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| 12:23.48 | streuner | Lukemob: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 12:24.09 | Lukemob | streuner |
| 12:24.10 | Lukemob | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 12:25.20 | Arwen | um, how do I make a debian patch? I examined one and it looks different from the output of "diff" |
| 12:25.25 | mosty | i upgraded my sid box yesterday, now "ff" is rendered very poorly in firefox |
| 12:26.03 | stew | Arwen: dpkg-source should be one for you when you build the package |
| 12:26.04 | azeem | Arwen: they're unidiffs |
| 12:26.09 | Lukemob | streuner, I got the folder phpmyadmin in /var/www ... and then I moved it to folder of subdomain, whole folder. Now when I got to that subdomain it shows me that... |
| 12:26.12 | azeem | but yeah, what stew says |
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| 12:29.41 | stew | woah, i meant s/be/build/ |
| 12:29.59 | streuner | Lukemob: check this out http://www.apachefriends.org/f/viewtopic.php?t=14750& |
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| 12:33.56 | Fatal | anyone know if José Miguel Parrella Romero <joseparrella <at> gmail.com> hangs out in here? |
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| 12:34.06 | azeem | Fatal: why? |
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| 12:34.15 | k-man_ | hello |
| 12:34.22 | Fatal | he claims we've deprecated xmms |
| 12:34.23 | k-man_ | when i run dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 12:34.42 | abrotman | Fatal: there is xmms2 |
| 12:34.46 | Fatal | yes? |
| 12:34.50 | Fatal | it's a seperate project |
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| 12:34.52 | k-man_ | the lines on the ncurses layout are all strange characters instead of nice lines |
| 12:34.54 | azeem | Fatal: there's a thread about it on -devel, I think |
| 12:35.24 | Fatal | I saw that |
| 12:35.58 | azeem | Fatal: do you have reasons to believe he hangs out in here, or just checking? |
| 12:36.07 | Fatal | just checking |
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| 12:36.13 | azeem | because we don't keep track of nicks->realname->email mappings in here |
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| 12:36.23 | Arwen | oh yeah, anyone know what it takes to get xvmc to work? |
| 12:36.45 | Lukemob | streuner, I did it, but still not working. |
| 12:36.48 | Fatal | I'll just do what I always do, write a reply on www.xmms.org :) |
| 12:36.51 | Fatal | cheers |
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| 12:36.53 | themill | I'm trying to set up krb through pam. I have it working on and old RHEL box so I know it's possible with our setup here and I'm just being thick. How can I debug what's going wrong with the auth? Are there any command line tools I can use to test the auth as root? |
| 12:37.22 | k-man_ | i also get some strange characters when looking at man pages |
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| 12:40.26 | mancubus | Does any one know package for convert HTML/DOC files in FB2 for PocketPC? |
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| 12:41.25 | streuner | Lukemob: try #apache or/and #php or such, there seems to be not an easy way to find a solution... |
| 12:41.34 | streuner | (groups.google.com) |
| 12:41.35 | Lukemob | kk |
| 12:42.56 | k-man_ | how do i work out what codepage my system is using? |
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| 12:43.16 | k-man_ | i get weird characters when i use putty to connect to my machine |
| 12:43.24 | mancubus | k-man_, use locale command |
| 12:43.47 | k-man_ | ok |
| 12:43.57 | mancubus | k-man_, to configure locales use export LANG= |
| 12:44.02 | k-man_ | ok |
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| 12:44.25 | k-man_ | mancubus, its currently set to LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 |
| 12:44.29 | k-man_ | i am in AU |
| 12:44.33 | k-man_ | so i guess thats right |
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| 12:45.08 | mancubus | k-man_, yes, you locales must exist on system. Check it with sudi dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:45.18 | k-man_ | ok |
| 12:45.19 | k-man_ | thaks |
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| 12:46.14 | LaughingMan | hi |
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| 12:47.02 | k-man_ | mancubus, so you think after regenerating it should work? |
| 12:47.03 | LaughingMan | i create Adobe flex 2 SDK (Open sourced) deb package and i'd like to know how to submited to non-free depot ? |
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| 12:47.27 | LaughingMan | any idea to start ? (it's my first experience :) |
| 12:47.49 | anapivirtua | Hi world |
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| 12:49.59 | o2T7 | If I create a new partition before my system's root partition's one |
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| 12:50.09 | o2T7 | this last one raises one number |
| 12:50.15 | o2T7 | from hda5 to hda6 |
| 12:50.48 | o2T7 | then how to tell grub to load menu.lst from that partition ? |
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| 12:51.55 | joey[] | how can I resize swap partition? any tutorial? |
| 12:53.09 | mancubus | k-man_, yes. Some time ago I faced with same issue. |
| 12:53.28 | Gigantic | somebody know how to change the name of my FAT stick without reformat? |
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| 12:53.39 | k-man_ | mancubus, thanks |
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| 12:53.53 | k-man_ | mancubus, well, i told it to regenerate all codepages which might have been overkill |
| 12:54.10 | k-man_ | so i'm still waiting for it to finish regenerating |
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| 12:56.54 | jetscreamer | joey[]: in the usual partition resizing manner |
| 12:57.06 | jetscreamer | i prefer delete the partition and start over |
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| 12:57.19 | jetscreamer | joey[]: it might be easier just to set up a swap file |
| 12:57.24 | joey[] | and what if I have my debian under vmware? |
| 12:57.32 | jetscreamer | try a file |
| 12:57.42 | jetscreamer | i've never done vmware so no idea |
| 12:58.08 | bk | how do I findout what daemon is listening at a specific port? netstat -na doesn't list what daemon |
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| 12:59.10 | abrotman | fuser -n tcp <portnumber> .. then use ps to find it |
| 12:59.29 | bk | netstat -nap lists the deamon |
| 12:59.31 | abrotman | or .. netstat -plunt |
| 12:59.58 | o2T7 | there is no "rescue" image on the sarge installation disc |
| 13:00.05 | abrotman | !rescue |
| 13:00.06 | dpkg | i guess rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
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| 13:00.54 | o2T7 | abrotman: My problem is that i am trying to enlarge / |
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| 13:01.03 | o2T7 | but can't get it done |
| 13:01.28 | o2T7 | boot: linux root=/dev/hdaX |
| 13:01.34 | o2T7 | gives me VFS panic |
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| 13:01.56 | o2T7 | and mounting my root partition under /mnt |
| 13:02.02 | o2T7 | and running grub-install |
| 13:02.13 | o2T7 | gives me error from reading stage1 file |
| 13:02.19 | abrotman | did you try specifying an initrd? |
| 13:02.27 | o2T7 | Yes, I did |
| 13:02.38 | o2T7 | The problem is that all this happens |
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| 13:03.04 | o2T7 | when I try to create a partition immediatly before the one that is now my root partition |
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| 13:03.17 | o2T7 | so it raises un num up |
| 13:03.21 | o2T7 | from hda5 to hda6 |
| 13:03.32 | o2T7 | and then grub giver error 17 |
| 13:03.32 | abrotman | stop hitting enter |
| 13:03.44 | o2T7 | grub? |
| 13:03.48 | abrotman | google "grub error 17" |
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| 13:05.27 | joey[] | great, creating a swap file worked! |
| 13:05.45 | metbsd | great! |
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| 13:06.13 | metbsd | creating 5 soft raid device, new installation of debian, works too |
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| 13:06.47 | en1gma | sup all |
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| 13:08.05 | metbsd | sup ennigma |
| 13:08.24 | en1gma | i installed debian yesterday and dist-upgrade to lenny hoping it would let me get a new enough kernel that dont have paravirt_ops enabled so i could install my ati vcard to get 3d working and it didnt work so i did a dist-upgrade to sid and it still has the same kernels avail as in lenny |
| 13:08.43 | en1gma | what kernel can i get in a pkg that will alow me to install my ati vcard to get 3d working |
| 13:08.58 | stew | en1gma: which chipset does your card have/ |
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| 13:09.08 | en1gma | its the x1950 pro |
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| 13:09.14 | en1gma | i think r570 maybe |
| 13:09.31 | mrEiger | i'm interesting where the full list of applied kernel patches for debian can be found? |
| 13:10.07 | en1gma | i just want to GET THIS DAMN ATI VCARD WORKING |
| 13:10.14 | mrEiger | en1gma: it depends not from your kernel but from drivers for Xorg. |
| 13:10.17 | stew | en1gma: please don't use caps |
| 13:10.20 | en1gma | this is insane trying to get a damn driver to install |
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| 13:10.30 | en1gma | no this is from KERNEL! |
| 13:10.34 | en1gma | paravirt |
| 13:11.39 | en1gma | can someone just put a kernel pkg up in the repos that will let us install a vcard driver for the love of god i say |
| 13:11.49 | mrEiger | en1gma: i had some success with this card (x600) with opensource drivers and fglrx enabled. |
| 13:12.09 | en1gma | come on people i want to play quake4 thats all |
| 13:12.32 | en1gma | do i need another distro to do this....or is there a way to install my vcard drivers? |
| 13:12.44 | mrEiger | en1gma: sorry to say but ATI has very even crap propriate drivers :( |
| 13:13.19 | en1gma | no they dont...i have ran ati on linux since the 9700 vcard and its worked quite well |
| 13:13.20 | jelly | en1gma: you might have to build your own kernel without the offensive option |
| 13:13.29 | stew | en1gma: btw, i don't think that you should expect that a newer kernel from debian will have PARAVIRT disabled |
| 13:13.52 | en1gma | someone said that 2.6.22 has it fixed (not sure about disabled) |
| 13:13.55 | mrEiger | en1gma: u can try ubuntu or kubuntu. after sys installation ur card should work without tuneup |
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| 13:14.42 | en1gma | i have a sidux cd (think they have a script that lets us install it) but if they have that script shouldnt we also have it |
| 13:15.25 | beatnik | which cds i should have to install debian for desktop? |
| 13:15.42 | beatnik | first and second are enough? |
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| 13:15.50 | mrEiger | beatnik: only ferst DVD |
| 13:16.04 | beatnik | i cant write dvd i'm downloading cd iso |
| 13:16.24 | mrEiger | beatnik: i'm not sure about cds |
| 13:16.34 | tralala | beatnik, if you have a supported nic you can use the netinst cd |
| 13:16.56 | beatnik | im connecting internet on wlan |
| 13:17.10 | tralala | you mean wifi? |
| 13:17.16 | beatnik | yes wifi |
| 13:17.18 | beatnik | wireless |
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| 13:17.50 | tralala | what chipset? |
| 13:17.50 | beatnik | atheros |
| 13:17.50 | beatnik | 5005g |
| 13:18.03 | stew | en1gma: we have tools to help you build kernels and to build 3rd party drivers for pre-built kernels |
| 13:18.17 | themill | got that kerberos thing sorted.... finally worked out how to turn on some logging and found that it was a clock-skew problem. Now have ntp installed :) |
| 13:19.04 | tralala | beatnik, try with CD1 - it might be enough to let you enable the wifi support and from then on you can install anything not included from the net |
| 13:19.20 | beatnik | oh ok |
| 13:19.26 | beatnik | does it contain gnome? |
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| 13:20.35 | en1gma | stew thats kind of nice BUT that is an awfull amount of work to do just "to install a vcard driver" |
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| 13:21.03 | stew | en1gma: well if you are looking for good support for non-free software, perhaps debian isn't where you should be looking |
| 13:21.16 | jetscreamer | it has some gnome, not all... there is a list of the cd contents somewhere |
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| 13:21.29 | jetscreamer | !cd contents |
| 13:21.29 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
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| 13:21.44 | tralala | beatnik, I only have testing CD1 and it does. But it doesn't have atheros support |
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| 13:24.13 | en1gma | stew it is well know that it is the kernel causeing the problem (FREE) not the ati/nvidia drivers |
| 13:25.09 | themill | en1gma: it's the driver that is supposed to work with the kernel, not the other way around. You'll not get much sympathy around here. |
| 13:25.35 | stew | en1gma: aiui the problem is that you are trying to violate the license of the paravirt software. i don't see how that is the fault of the kernel. |
| 13:25.49 | stew | en1gma: if you are having trouble compiling a kernel without paravirt that is something we could help you with |
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| 13:26.13 | en1gma | stew it is linux that had the paravirt "modified" to accept ati and nvidia drivers in 2.6.22 |
| 13:26.20 | en1gma | linux = linus |
| 13:26.36 | metbsd | linux = kernel |
| 13:26.50 | en1gma | in my sentance above linux = linus |
| 13:27.05 | stew | en1gma: yes |
| 13:27.17 | beatnik | Atheros AR5005G 802.11abg NIC, can't i use this card for net installer? |
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| 13:27.30 | stew | en1gma: the license to paravirt was changed aiui |
| 13:28.31 | tralala | beatnik, I don't think so, but you can always try |
| 13:28.40 | en1gma | well since we know it has changed to accept ati and nvidia drivers in the newer 2.6.22 kernels can someone make a script that can fix this in kernels before that in the deb repos or at least make a script that will install those drivers |
| 13:28.44 | jetscreamer | lucy's brother's name was lie-nuhs, not lee-nuhs |
| 13:28.57 | Nyle | screw lees and screw nuhs |
| 13:29.02 | Nyle | I have to go to work |
| 13:29.09 | jetscreamer | so it's pronounced lie-nux |
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| 13:29.12 | jetscreamer | jucks |
| 13:29.12 | tralala | en1gma, it theory - yes, in practice - no |
| 13:29.13 | en1gma | or at least get a newer kernel in lenny and sid so we dont have to mess with this |
| 13:29.18 | jetscreamer | nucks |
| 13:29.25 | stew | en1gma: a newer kernel will be entering lenny |
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| 13:29.34 | jetscreamer | en1gma: just recompile |
| 13:29.39 | jetscreamer | no biggie |
| 13:29.39 | Nyle | i think wikipedia has linus pronouncing linux |
| 13:29.41 | jetscreamer | the kernel |
| 13:29.45 | en1gma | omg |
| 13:29.46 | jetscreamer | yes i heard him |
| 13:29.46 | Nyle | thats the official pronounciation of linux |
| 13:29.57 | Nyle | and its lye-nooks |
| 13:29.58 | en1gma | to install a freaking vcard driver i have to recompile |
| 13:30.00 | jetscreamer | that's why i brought up charlie brown |
| 13:30.00 | Nyle | or something |
| 13:30.04 | stew | en1gma: but no, you should not expect debian to provide a script to change the license to the software it distributes, that is up to the copyright holders, not debian |
| 13:30.07 | jetscreamer | en1gma: no you don't |
| 13:30.10 | jetscreamer | use nv :p |
| 13:30.10 | stew | en1gma: no, you don't |
| 13:30.16 | Nyle | its the sam as his last name |
| 13:30.28 | Nyle | lye-nuhs |
| 13:30.37 | jetscreamer | it's pronounced torvald? |
| 13:30.37 | en1gma | what do i need to do (ill read a howto as long as it is current and works) |
| 13:30.37 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 13:30.45 | Nyle | linus |
| 13:30.46 | hark | beatnik: unlikely, though you can just do a base install without the network |
| 13:30.47 | Nyle | etc. |
| 13:30.47 | en1gma | i just want to install quake4 and this is terrible |
| 13:30.48 | sn0 | Lukemob there are many here |
| 13:30.49 | jetscreamer | nuke paravirt_ops |
| 13:31.03 | en1gma | jetscreamer how |
| 13:31.05 | stew | en1gma: exactly what task are you currently trying to get help with? |
| 13:31.13 | chops | Nyle: In Finnish "Linus" is pronounced "lih-nus". Linus pronounces Linux as "lih-nux", like his name in Finnish, which is how most people say it. |
| 13:31.14 | stew | en1gma: if you are just here to complain, please don't bother |
| 13:31.19 | jetscreamer | so 23 will have the non-gpl only paravirt_ops ? |
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| 13:31.25 | Lukemob | sn0 welcome, allright. :) |
| 13:31.28 | jetscreamer | stew he wants nvidia not nv |
| 13:31.29 | en1gma | with installing this ati x1950 pro driver |
| 13:31.33 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 13:31.34 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 13:31.43 | stew | jetscreamer: he wants fglrx |
| 13:31.48 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 13:32.00 | stew | jetscreamer: but he also doesn't seem to want help, just a place to complain |
| 13:32.05 | en1gma | i followed the !fglrx one-liner guide and i get that paravirt error |
| 13:32.21 | en1gma | stew dont get mad at me cause i cant install a vcard driver |
| 13:32.25 | jetscreamer | en1gma: try .18 |
| 13:32.32 | jetscreamer | or recompile, or wait |
| 13:32.33 | en1gma | i want to know how to do it |
| 13:32.38 | tralala | en1gma, are you willing to compile an upstream .22 kernel yourself to get this problem fixed? |
| 13:32.39 | stew | en1gma: how to do what? |
| 13:32.48 | en1gma | nunyer@CPU01:~$ uname -r |
| 13:32.48 | en1gma | 2.6.21-2-686 |
| 13:32.59 | jetscreamer | 2.6.21.5.011 |
| 13:33.02 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 13:33.02 | en1gma | how to get my vcard driver installed so i can play q3 |
| 13:33.04 | en1gma | i mean q4 |
| 13:33.09 | jetscreamer | you recompile your kernel |
| 13:33.16 | jetscreamer | or you wait or you install a different one |
| 13:33.19 | jetscreamer | read older |
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| 13:33.44 | en1gma | "[03:30] <en1gma> to install a freaking vcard driver i have to recompile" >>>>> |
| 13:33.46 | en1gma | [03:30] <jetscreamer> en1gma: no you don't |
| 13:33.46 | en1gma | [03:30] <jetscreamer> use nv :p |
| 13:33.46 | en1gma | [03:30] <stew> en1gma: no, you don't |
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| 13:33.52 | jetscreamer | i did read and see somebody messing with the gpl only flag in the installer, but no idea |
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| 13:34.08 | jetscreamer | en1gma: make that vesa afaic |
| 13:34.17 | en1gma | where |
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| 13:34.32 | tralala | en1gma, well you can always wait for debian to release .22 |
| 13:34.33 | C2H5OH | is anyone having trouble upgrading libc6-i386 from 2.5 to 2.6 in amd64? |
| 13:34.36 | stew | en1gma: i was just saying you don't need to compile anything in order to use your video card. if you want to use fglrx, that is a different story |
| 13:34.45 | stew | en1gma: please don't paste in here |
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| 13:35.02 | en1gma | i have been saying for 3d for quake4 all this time...that means we are talking fglrx |
| 13:35.04 | ozatomic | how can i ping a specfic port |
| 13:35.21 | C2H5OH | ozatomic: use nmap |
| 13:35.25 | ozatomic | i can connect to a port on my box localy but out side they can't |
| 13:35.26 | en1gma | stew see you are trying to detour my entire conversation when i start asking for help to fix my problem |
| 13:35.27 | tralala | ozatomic, you don't ping ports |
| 13:35.36 | ozatomic | well |
| 13:35.46 | jetscreamer | en1gma: let me tell you about a different problem you will have with q4 after you get your vid card going |
| 13:35.47 | ozatomic | how can i tell if its gettign past my isp |
| 13:35.49 | abrotman | ozatomic: use netstat to see if it's listening correctly |
| 13:35.49 | en1gma | you said i was complaining and what i been asking for really is help |
| 13:35.55 | ozatomic | i cna ssh to the box jsut can't connect |
| 13:35.59 | ozatomic | k tring netstat |
| 13:36.02 | en1gma | jetscreamer uh oh what |
| 13:36.03 | jetscreamer | you want the sdl-alsa, not sdl-alll |
| 13:36.16 | jetscreamer | libsdl1.debianblahblah somethingsomething |
| 13:36.21 | en1gma | ok i copying and pasting that for future ref |
| 13:36.24 | tralala | ozatomic, for tcp port testing you can do "telnet remotehost portnumber" |
| 13:36.26 | C2H5OH | ozatomic: say your IP and we can check |
| 13:36.37 | ozatomic | no ip yet :P |
| 13:36.51 | stew | en1gma: if you are trying to install an older kernel, or compile a kernel without paravirt, i can help you with that |
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| 13:36.54 | C2H5OH | is anyone having trouble upgrading libc6-i386 from 2.5 to 2.6 in amd64? |
| 13:37.01 | chops | en1gma: You've been helped. jetscreamer told you your options: recompile, use an older kernel, or wait. The fact that you're still talking implies that you're not interested in listening to people who tell you how to solve your problem. What do you expect us to do, shell into your computer and do it for you? |
| 13:37.02 | utopia_ | don't give your IP out over this |
| 13:37.13 | jetscreamer | en1gma: easiest just to run 2.6.18 or so and wait |
| 13:37.34 | jetscreamer | run 2.6.18 and install fglrx i mean, then wait for the .22 or .23 or whatever |
| 13:37.47 | ozatomic | hmmm |
| 13:37.58 | en1gma | im running sid right now and have that 2.6.21-2 kernel installed....now can i still go back to a 2.6.18 |
| 13:38.02 | ozatomic | usi9ng netstat the post isn't showing |
| 13:38.05 | stew | en1gma: yes |
| 13:38.15 | jetscreamer | yes but you'll have to get it from etch or lenny |
| 13:38.21 | jetscreamer | it's not in sid anymore |
| 13:38.26 | jetscreamer | unless yu stil have it installed |
| 13:38.27 | en1gma | ill do it....do i need kbuild, linux-image and linux-headers |
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| 13:38.39 | jetscreamer | yes you will |
| 13:38.40 | stew | en1gma: no, you just need to use apt-get / aptitude |
| 13:38.50 | jetscreamer | for building the fglrx you will |
| 13:38.51 | tralala | + a text editor |
| 13:38.56 | jetscreamer | but do what stew says |
| 13:39.00 | jetscreamer | he knows more |
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| 13:39.15 | stew | oh, wait, what is kbuild |
| 13:39.22 | jetscreamer | he needs it |
| 13:39.30 | stew | oh, i was thinking kernel-package |
| 13:39.44 | o2T7 | I overwrote a data FAT partition by accident |
| 13:39.50 | o2T7 | And worse than that |
| 13:39.51 | jetscreamer | uh-oh |
| 13:39.58 | o2T7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.11 | ozatomic | hmm i can telnet to the port and it jsut sits there |
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| 13:40.18 | en1gma | ok so im going to change my repos from sid to lenny or etch and i should be able to grab the 2.6.18? |
| 13:40.20 | PetaWindows | hola |
| 13:40.22 | PetaWindows | hihi |
| 13:40.29 | tralala | and (let me guess) even worse than that - you don't have any backups? |
| 13:40.29 | jetscreamer | don't let anything write to it, and depending on how valuable, take it right now to the data recovery center where they wil be happy to charge you 200/hr or so |
| 13:40.31 | en1gma | is there a certain 2.6.18.xx i need |
| 13:40.32 | stew | en1gma: yes, you will need -image and -headers, -headers depends on kbuild, so that will be pulled in at the same time |
| 13:40.35 | stew | en1gma: no |
| 13:40.47 | en1gma | ok thanks going to try it right now |
| 13:40.58 | o2T7 | Although i created a new fat partition at the space i guessed the original part was |
| 13:40.59 | jetscreamer | en1gma: |
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| 13:41.12 | jetscreamer | en1gma: you can just add lenny, no need to remove the sid sources |
| 13:41.20 | stew | lenny doesn't have 2.6.18 |
| 13:41.35 | o2T7 | jetscreamer: It was the only fat partition in the disc |
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| 13:41.37 | en1gma | uh oh |
| 13:41.45 | o2T7 | No tool able to identify its stricture? |
| 13:41.46 | stew | en1gma: you'll want to add stable sources, but you can't just switch all of your sources to stable |
| 13:41.51 | o2T7 | strcture* |
| 13:41.53 | jetscreamer | o2T7: i've done that, but i made a good guess (it was easy, i had a reference) and it worked, but no idea what happens if you guess wrong |
| 13:42.01 | en1gma | ok thanks everyone ill add etch |
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| 13:45.13 | jetscreamer | o2T7: i've seen partition magic or norton guess .... it was 50% right... |
| 13:45.24 | en1gma | installing 2.6.18-4-i686 |
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| 13:45.36 | en1gma | gonna reboot brb |
| 13:45.38 | jetscreamer | hope you have an intel proc not amd en1gma |
| 13:45.44 | en1gma | i have an amd |
| 13:45.47 | PetaWindows | I have a problem..... I have bought a "SMCWUSB-G" Wireless usb adapter, and I've installed the kernel module "zd1211rw" and then I installed the package zd1211-firmware. After that, I have loaded the module. I don't know what I should do now, because when I put the command: "ifup wlan0" the answer is: Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0. |
| 13:45.47 | PetaWindows | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.47 | en1gma | amd64 |
| 13:45.57 | jetscreamer | and it's -g8g not -i686 |
| 13:46.01 | jetscreamer | err 686 |
| 13:46.04 | jetscreamer | get the -k7 |
| 13:46.07 | jetscreamer | oh wait |
| 13:46.10 | en1gma | hang on 1 sec |
| 13:46.12 | jetscreamer | not sure about 64bit |
| 13:46.24 | jetscreamer | usually it's the -k7 you want for amd though |
| 13:46.25 | en1gma | i686 should be fine for the amd64 proc shouldnt it |
| 13:46.31 | en1gma | its newer then the k7 |
| 13:46.44 | tralala | -k8 |
| 13:46.51 | tralala | if any |
| 13:46.52 | jetscreamer | -686's are optimized for intel procs afaik |
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| 13:47.07 | en1gma | cant use amd64 cause it breaks java and some flash |
| 13:47.12 | stew | they are optimized for pentium pro (circa 1996 or so) |
| 13:47.12 | en1gma | so i stick to a 32bit os |
| 13:47.14 | jetscreamer | i know with nvidia you run into problems running a 64bit kernel and 32bit userland |
| 13:47.34 | en1gma | i have an nf4 motherboard |
| 13:47.38 | stew | a 686 kernel should work fine for an amd64 |
| 13:47.42 | jetscreamer | i mean the nvidia gpu |
| 13:47.50 | jetscreamer | not the nforce |
| 13:47.55 | en1gma | it always has before but do you think k7 would be better? |
| 13:47.57 | stew | he doesn't have an nvidia gpu |
| 13:48.12 | jetscreamer | right but i'm saying i dunno about ati, but nvidia.... |
| 13:48.21 | abrotman | you're not helping :) |
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| 13:48.27 | en1gma | :) |
| 13:48.30 | hark | PetaWindows: check with iwconfig the right name of the interface |
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| 13:48.39 | tralala | and -k7 should be even better if anybody is able to actually measure the difference |
| 13:48.43 | jetscreamer | i wanna say no get the -k7 but i dunno enough |
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| 13:49.37 | PetaWindows | hark: iwconfig command only shows me that interfaces: eth0, lo, sit0 |
| 13:49.37 | tralala | -k7 and amd64 don't have to be dual core |
| 13:49.37 | PetaWindows | hark: And i don't know what lo and sit0 are :S |
| 13:49.38 | tralala | -k7 is actually single core only |
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| 13:49.57 | afed | ~. |
| 13:49.58 | apt | . |
| 13:49.58 | en1gma | this amd64 is single core |
| 13:49.59 | didek | Hi guys! |
| 13:50.08 | tralala | PetaWindows, iWconfig shows lo?! |
| 13:50.13 | tralala | or you mean ifconfig |
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| 13:50.26 | didek | Can i boot alpha from fdd for netinstall> |
| 13:50.27 | didek | ? |
| 13:50.33 | en1gma | im just wondering if i should be using the 686 or k7 someone told me 686 long time ago was the correct one for 32bit |
| 13:50.35 | hark | no, as without wireless extensions ;) |
| 13:50.36 | abrotman | didek: yes |
| 13:50.37 | en1gma | on this amd64 |
| 13:50.54 | en1gma | let me reboot |
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| 13:50.58 | en1gma | brb |
| 13:51.11 | didek | abrotman: I can't see a floppy image for this. |
| 13:51.12 | stew | tralala: when i "grep SMP /boot/config-2.6.18-4-k7" i get "CONFIG_SMP=y" is something more needed to support multiple cores? |
| 13:51.16 | abrotman | !bf |
| 13:51.17 | dpkg | methinks etch floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want lenny/testing change "etch" to "lenny". |
| 13:51.32 | didek | Huh. |
| 13:51.33 | tralala | stew, yes a multy-core hardware |
| 13:51.36 | abrotman | didek: you might have to sarge floppies ? |
| 13:51.41 | didek | It's for i386. |
| 13:51.46 | tralala | which -k7 isn't |
| 13:51.51 | jetscreamer | 64bit vs 32bit != dual cores then |
| 13:51.57 | jetscreamer | see, i know nothing |
| 13:51.58 | didek | I must use a alpha arch. |
| 13:51.59 | didek | :-( |
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| 13:52.08 | jetscreamer | change i386 to alpha, didek |
| 13:52.11 | jetscreamer | in the link |
| 13:52.18 | didek | abrotman: Of course. |
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| 13:52.21 | PetaWindows | hark: what I should do? :( |
| 13:52.23 | didek | All right. |
| 13:52.27 | stew | tralala: so you are saying if i booted this kernel on a multi-core machine it wouldnt' see both cores? are you sure? which kernel option is missing to allow mutliple cores? |
| 13:52.35 | jetscreamer | s/386/i386/ |
| 13:52.41 | hark | it should |
| 13:53.08 | abrotman | didek: if you can't find anything useful .. ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:53.09 | jetscreamer | the smp is the dualcore, the -k8 is the 64bit.. but there are no 32bit dual cores unless you count the p4 and ht |
| 13:53.17 | didek | abrotman: Ok. |
| 13:53.20 | PetaWindows | hark: :S |
| 13:53.32 | abrotman | didek: actually the last set of floppies i see are for woody .. |
| 13:53.52 | abrotman | which is kind of .. useless IMO |
| 13:54.18 | PetaWindows | hark: you know why the command iwconfig don't shows any wireless interface? |
| 13:54.19 | didek | That's no problem, |
| 13:54.27 | abrotman | didek: see archive.debian.org |
| 13:54.33 | didek | All right. |
| 13:54.55 | tralala | stew, I meant the hardware arch not the kernel. |
| 13:54.57 | hark | PetaWindows: modprobe zd1211rw and check dmesg |
| 13:54.58 | abrotman | didek: and it tells you at the bottom the deb source line .. but i'd do the woody install the dist-upgrade to sarge .. then to etch |
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| 13:55.33 | jetscreamer | me i'd try making the woody installer use etch sources first, but i'm bold and reckless |
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| 13:55.39 | tralala | -k7 is athlon xp and they come with single core only |
| 13:55.56 | PetaWindows | hark: dmesg says: "usbcore: registered new driver zd1211rw" |
| 13:56.14 | stew | tralala: not only xp |
| 13:56.16 | tralala | PetaWindows, do you have the firmware? |
| 13:56.19 | didek | Huh,. |
| 13:56.33 | didek | I doesn't see any floppy images... |
| 13:56.34 | didek | :-( |
| 13:56.38 | abrotman | didek: for woody? |
| 13:56.53 | PetaWindows | tralala: I have installed the package "zd1211-firmware" that I've foung on the debian apt repositories |
| 13:57.00 | abrotman | http://archive.debian.org/dists/woody/main/disks-alpha/3.0.23-2002-05-21/images-1.44/ |
| 13:57.07 | tralala | PetaWindows, etch? |
| 13:57.18 | didek | abrotman: Yes. |
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| 13:57.25 | abrotman | didek: see the URL i just pasted |
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| 13:57.34 | xst | Does anyone which package contains the "mail" command? |
| 13:57.40 | stew | xst: mailx |
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| 13:57.43 | PetaWindows | tralala: uhmm... i have lenny but i've installed the unstable version... |
| 13:57.54 | xst | thanks |
| 13:58.00 | didek | abrotman: On archives of debian i can't see anything. |
| 13:58.12 | didek | Any images, of course. |
| 13:58.37 | tralala | PetaWindows, at least in etch zd1211rw doesn't work with this firmware. Does dmesg say that firmware is loaded? |
| 13:58.39 | cahoot | PetaWindows, dmesg doesn't contain any complaints about firmware? |
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| 13:59.00 | jetscreamer | there's 4 images http://archive.debian.org/dists/woody/main/disks-alpha/3.0.23-2002-05-21/images-1.44/ |
| 13:59.02 | abrotman | didek: i just pasted it abive |
| 13:59.03 | abrotman | above |
| 13:59.08 | jetscreamer | yes he did |
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| 13:59.14 | jetscreamer | and i repasted |
| 13:59.17 | PetaWindows | tralala: cahoot: how I can see that? :S |
| 13:59.19 | abrotman | repaster! |
| 13:59.27 | abrotman | copycat! |
| 13:59.40 | jetscreamer | or something like that |
| 13:59.42 | tralala | PetaWindows, by reading the output of dmesg |
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| 13:59.52 | jetscreamer | dmesg|less |
| 14:00.09 | cahoot | PetaWindows, read here about what fw to use with that driver: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/zd1211rw#head-1f796c50d9ce33c563c3956d3f4823d6d6e1230d |
| 14:00.10 | PetaWindows | tralala: reading the output just when I have installed the firmware? |
| 14:00.19 | C2H5OH | windows peta |
| 14:00.24 | C2H5OH | X-D |
| 14:00.30 | PetaWindows | xD |
| 14:00.43 | jetscreamer | petang |
| 14:00.46 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 14:00.54 | PetaWindows | tralala: ok, I'm going to remove the packet and install it another time :) |
| 14:01.04 | C2H5OH | Hasefroch peta :-P |
| 14:01.18 | jetscreamer | PetaWindows: he meant type dmesg|less and look i think |
| 14:01.27 | PetaWindows | jetscreamer: ohh ok |
| 14:01.27 | C2H5OH | peta is like beta but officialy stable and with the same amount of bugs |
| 14:01.29 | C2H5OH | :-P |
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| 14:01.47 | abrotman | let's think of a nice non-CPU-intensive way to transfer 18GB of small files between hosts ... :) |
| 14:01.55 | irwiss | Are there any docs/wikis about getting backlight control working? |
| 14:02.00 | jetscreamer | man.. if i want coffee i have to make my own... |
| 14:02.02 | PetaWindows | C2H5OH: in catalan or spanish, "peta" means "broke" "crash" |
| 14:02.02 | abrotman | irwiss: for a thinkpad ? |
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| 14:02.14 | irwiss | abrotman, for HP dv6000 |
| 14:02.18 | jetscreamer | irwiss: there are kernel modules in later kernels, nowadays, all i know though |
| 14:02.19 | tralala | PetaWindows, the chances are that the debian firmware won't work with rw, so you can save yourself some trouble and just go to the link cahoot gave you |
| 14:02.20 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 14:02.21 | dpkg | laptop is probably All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 14:02.22 | C2H5OH | PetaWindows: me lo dices o me lo cuentas? |
| 14:02.23 | jetscreamer | for backlights |
| 14:02.29 | abrotman | PIGGY! |
| 14:02.30 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 14:02.30 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:02.32 | PetaWindows | C2H5OH: juajua qe cabroncete |
| 14:02.34 | abrotman | !fry piggy |
| 14:02.36 | abrotman | damn |
| 14:02.39 | irwiss | abrotman, thanks, i'll get reading |
| 14:02.46 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 14:02.47 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:02.51 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 14:02.52 | PetaWindows | !ca |
| 14:02.53 | dpkg | it has been said that ca is a Certificate Authroity. It's required when browsers check your SSL certs with the CA's digital signature. See also SSL, or dog in Mallorquí.... Canada, or see apache rootca |
| 14:03.02 | abrotman | isn't .. cabron a curse word ? |
| 14:03.09 | PetaWindows | what?! no debian-ca? :( |
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| 14:03.14 | PetaWindows | xD |
| 14:03.17 | C2H5OH | jetscreamer: don't worry, it was just a quick joke |
| 14:03.37 | tralala | the canadians are supposed to speak english |
| 14:03.46 | abrotman | quebecois |
| 14:03.54 | C2H5OH | canadians !!! LOL |
| 14:03.58 | PetaWindows | cahoot: okok, thanks :D:D |
| 14:04.09 | irwiss | abrotman, though, which area should I be looking at? What's controlling the backlight? acpi, graphics card? |
| 14:04.10 | PetaWindows | I don't have seen it |
| 14:04.15 | PetaWindows | ouch |
| 14:04.16 | C2H5OH | PetaWindows: you know it now, you speak canadian at home :-P |
| 14:04.18 | PetaWindows | i haven't seen it |
| 14:04.18 | PetaWindows | :D |
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| 14:04.53 | PetaWindows | C2H5OH: jeje, where are you from? (dande eré) |
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| 14:05.21 | jetscreamer | vive la revelution! vive quebec! |
| 14:05.24 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
| 14:05.29 | jetscreamer | my french sucks |
| 14:05.42 | tralala | your canadian too :) |
| 14:05.53 | abrotman | irwiss: i would guess acpi .. but i honestly don't know |
| 14:05.55 | jetscreamer | i lived in montreal for a year when i was a kid |
| 14:05.58 | sendell | Hi is this a proper place to ask debian-sparc questions ;) |
| 14:06.05 | abrotman | sendell: you can try here or |
| 14:06.06 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 14:06.06 | dpkg | hmm... sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 14:06.09 | azeem | sendell: you can try |
| 14:06.10 | C2H5OH | PetaWindows: Mallorca |
| 14:06.35 | C2H5OH | PetaWindows: you must be from the Països Catalans too |
| 14:06.46 | PetaWindows | C2H5OH: jaja :) |
| 14:07.11 | PetaWindows | C2H5OH: Mallorquà it's nice :) "sa mallorquÃ" |
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| 14:07.36 | PetaWindows | my english sux |
| 14:07.36 | azeem | C2H5OH, PetaWindows: Please take this conversation to a private chat or elsewhere |
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| 14:07.50 | PetaWindows | azeem, sry :p |
| 14:07.51 | C2H5OH | allright allright |
| 14:08.34 | sendell | well, i am trying to install debian on a sun ultra enterprise 450. I had difficulties booting from cd-rom but I was not successful, I netbooted and installed by that way. The problem is, the machine has 36 GB scsi disk, debian installer shows that disk is 36 GB, but as soon as I create my first partition it is shrinked to 6.4 GB with no more free space. When I create a 5GB partition, only 1+GB free space remains. |
| 14:08.35 | sebastian_ | ALCOHOL SUX! |
| 14:08.41 | sebastian_ | @ C2H5OH |
| 14:08.44 | C2H5OH | LOL |
| 14:08.46 | jm|laptop | sebastian_: it's useful for cleaning stuff |
| 14:08.50 | C2H5OH | :-* |
| 14:08.52 | sebastian_ | jm|laptop, crap! |
| 14:08.53 | sebastian_ | xP |
| 14:09.50 | sebastian_ | Does anyone know why I get dissconnected from my internet during the days when I'm @ work. |
| 14:10.00 | abrotman | is it idle? |
| 14:10.06 | sebastian_ | Yeah |
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| 14:10.16 | abrotman | check the firewalls inbetween |
| 14:10.21 | sebastian_ | IRC @ |
| 14:10.22 | sebastian_ | ops |
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| 14:10.30 | sebastian_ | There arn't any firewall abchirk |
| 14:10.33 | sebastian_ | abrotman, * |
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| 14:11.04 | didek | Hm. |
| 14:11.06 | didek | Hm. |
| 14:11.14 | cahoot | sebastian_, start irssi connected to #debian in a screen session - will sure keep the connection from timing out |
| 14:11.15 | didek | Strange |
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| 14:11.18 | C2H5OH | see you folks |
| 14:11.19 | PetaWindows | cahoot , tralala: when I have the firmware installed, my wifi should appear in "iwconfig" ¿¿? |
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| 14:11.28 | C2H5OH | PetaWindows: adeu ;-9 |
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| 14:11.34 | didek | I can't boot floppy root. |
| 14:11.36 | didek | :-( |
| 14:11.47 | sebastian_ | cahoot, Im connected to it all the time thru XChat |
| 14:11.48 | sebastian_ | :P |
| 14:11.53 | didek | I use rawwritewin and... |
| 14:11.56 | didek | Pf. |
| 14:12.03 | didek | Doesn't work. |
| 14:12.45 | cahoot | PetaWindows, dmesg says fw is loaded ok? |
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| 14:14.32 | rustalot | How do I get Debian with KDE? |
| 14:14.34 | abrotman | sebastian_: i bet tehre are |
| 14:14.50 | abrotman | rustalot: install debian .. then aptitude install xorg kde |
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| 14:17.26 | sec | hi |
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| 14:17.40 | sec | somebody knows the application name as the "dock" of macosx? |
| 14:17.50 | didek | Hm, who knows: I must to specify file to boot? |
| 14:17.55 | didek | In alpha. |
| 14:18.11 | PetaWindows | cahoot: I have finished the installation of the firmware :) |
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| 14:18.25 | PetaWindows | cahoot: now, I have to load the module? |
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| 14:18.49 | doublehp | what's the GNU application to record and replay mouse moves ? |
| 14:19.56 | PetaWindows | cahoot: now dmesh says "usbcore: registered new driver zd1211rw" |
| 14:20.25 | PetaWindows | PetaWindows: but in iwconfig the interface don't appear :( |
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| 14:22.34 | PetaWindows | cahoot: the module that I've installed by module-assistant works? :S |
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| 14:22.48 | sebastian_ | abrotman, nope.. If linux doesn't have one preinstalled |
| 14:23.44 | didek | Hm. |
| 14:23.52 | didek | "bootstrap failure" |
| 14:23.54 | didek | WTF? |
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| 14:24.20 | larsl | What packages do I need to access a scanner from the GIMP? |
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| 14:25.34 | larsl | The scanner is detected as a "USB Bidirectional printer", and some sort of driver seems to be loaded, but all I have in the "Acquire" submenu in GIMP is "Paste as new" and "Screenshot". |
| 14:25.50 | rustalot | if my hardware works fine on ubuntu, it will work on Debian, right? |
| 14:26.07 | hopecon | rustalot, yes |
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| 14:27.15 | nitro4ce | !zfs |
| 14:27.16 | dpkg | methinks zfs is http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS or http://www.wizy.org/wiki/ZFS_on_FUSE |
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| 14:29.52 | larsl | Ah, XSane. |
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| 14:31.45 | grendal_prime | sup my ninjas |
| 14:31.49 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
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| 14:33.42 | grendal_prime | i got this werid thing with my laptop, every time i do and encoding (mpegs or avis) it gets about 60 megs into the job and the proc overheats, and the machines bios shuts it down. The fans seem to be working, no werid noiseses and the fans are not blocked. |
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| 14:34.20 | grendal_prime | Is there some program where i can just turn the fans on all the time.... fans (the program) i dont think works with this machine ..its a dell 1100 inspiron. |
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| 14:34.49 | SakalR | dpkg: sarge->etch |
| 14:34.49 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
| 14:34.55 | larsl | And XSane/GIMP works flowlessly. Great work by whoever has written/packaged that. |
| 14:35.12 | larsl | flAwlessly. |
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| 14:37.03 | sebastian_ | Is there anyway to get nautilus to always be in "Browse" mode? |
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| 14:37.42 | Bushmills | g'day |
| 14:39.47 | jelly | hmm... how do I do getent in perl (find a user's $HOME)? |
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| 14:40.17 | chops | jelly: $ENV{HOME} IIRC |
| 14:40.21 | sebastian_ | :P |
| 14:40.29 | jelly | chops: not my home, any user's |
| 14:40.56 | stew | qx(getent passwd username) ? |
| 14:40.57 | SakalR | cat /usr/passwd ? |
| 14:41.04 | jelly | chops: like getent passwd username |
| 14:41.05 | SakalR | * /etc/ |
| 14:41.25 | jelly | SakalR: nope, there's a libc function for that |
| 14:41.32 | Bushmills | i think of using xmpp for signalling between machines, and look for a tool, a bit like the opposite of sendxmpp, listening to its jabber login - essentially a daemon, passing everything it receives to a user process. any ideas? |
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| 14:42.02 | SakalR | oO |
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| 14:42.16 | chops | jelly: Hm, getpwnam maybe? I thought you typoed 'getenv'. |
| 14:43.11 | jelly | chops: getpwnam it is, thanks! |
| 14:43.16 | chops | jelly: np |
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| 14:44.27 | [GABRI] | how i can change a permission to a diretory for group 1001? |
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| 14:47.23 | Solet | i have a question about etch... does it use the same version of x that woody and sarge used or has debian finally gone to a newer version? |
| 14:47.58 | harpal | [GABRI]: you can do it by chmod 755 directory |
| 14:48.04 | hopecon | I'm pretty sure etch uses Xorg |
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| 14:48.12 | chops | Solet: No two stable Debian releases are going to use the exact same X version. etch uses xorg, sarge and woody used XFree86. |
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| 14:49.31 | tarzeau | etch uses xorg, yes |
| 14:49.32 | Bushmills | Solet, lenny, which is yet not too different from etch, uses xorg X Window System Version 1.3.0 |
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| 14:51.44 | larsl | How do I set the default printer? |
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| 14:51.47 | Solet | hopecon and chops: with sarge i ran a multi head desktop (until a power outage ate my kernel and i never reinstalled cause it wasnt my primary machine), how different is the Xorg config file? any other input on random things i'm going to notice being different? |
| 14:52.17 | rob19 | debian? |
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| 14:52.59 | chops | Solet: The xorg config file is a bit different; it's similar to a major version upgrade I guess. You might have to do a small amount of fiddling before it works again after you upgrade, yes. |
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| 14:53.23 | stew | Solet: my dual head xfree86 config worked flawlessly in xorg |
| 14:54.34 | Solet | i'll be reinstalling, not upgrading... my kernel ate itself durring with the power outage, i dont know how to fix that... there's not much i need to back up on that machine. a few files and the pdf that walked me through getting my god damned wifi to work |
| 14:55.21 | Nurbs | Yuk, /home/cupsys and /home/haldaemon are ugly |
| 14:55.29 | Bushmills | Solet: if not identical, your xorg.conf will be very similar to you X11.conf file |
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| 14:55.42 | Solet | stew: awesome |
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| 14:56.47 | Bushmills | Solet: afair, my largest issue, when upgrading, was to get to know which of the config files was the one which was actually used |
| 14:56.50 | Solet | bushmills: ummm the config file i edited in sarge was like XFree86-Config_4 or something like that (this was 2 years ago i cant remember exact) |
| 14:57.09 | Solet | do you know what version of gnome etch uses? |
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| 14:58.08 | Solet | (please dont flame me for liking gnome... i know most people in here like kde... it's just too bubbly for me) |
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| 14:58.59 | Bushmills | Solet: i thought here are more openbox and wmaker and xfce4 users |
| 14:59.06 | stew | Solet: http://packages.debian.org/gnome-session will tell you which version is in stable |
| 14:59.07 | sebastian_ | Is VLC in testing yet? |
| 14:59.36 | chops | !info vlc testing |
| 14:59.38 | stew | sebastian_: http://packages.debian.org/vlc or http://packages.qa.debian.org/vlc |
| 15:00.13 | sebastian_ | apparently not... |
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| 15:01.21 | Solet | bushmills: last time i was in here and asked about gnome, a 2 hour gnome/kde war broke out :( |
| 15:01.23 | Noborusan | night,guys |
| 15:02.15 | chops | Solet: Oh, we're much more mature than that now. We straightened out that whole Linux - GNU/Linux thing, too. |
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| 15:03.57 | Posterdati | please is there a way, for a normal user not in disk group, to read hd temp via hddtemp? |
| 15:04.09 | Posterdati | I've got no clue on man hddtemp |
| 15:04.25 | Solet | i wasnt aware of a Linux - GNU/Linux issue... tbh i'm not very good with using linux in an administrative fashion... |
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| 15:05.52 | simmerz | i've created a user and set the password but I'm unable to log in (shell is /bin/bash) via su. I get authentication failure |
| 15:06.07 | cahoot | Solet, it's lignux |
| 15:06.25 | qrck | verwende xmms2 dafür |
| 15:06.25 | qrck | ups |
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| 15:06.39 | cyzie | when a vm suspend in vmware, is the memory allocated for the vm temperary free for other resources? |
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| 15:07.29 | beatnik | do you know which cds of debian i should have to install for desktop/laptop? |
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| 15:08.27 | cyzie | beatnik, netinst |
| 15:08.49 | PetaWindows | cahoot: I don't know what I should do :( ...I have the module zd1211rw loaded and the firmware installed, but the command ifup wlan0 don't work :( |
| 15:08.52 | simmerz | i've created a user and set the password but I'm unable to log in (shell is /bin/bash) via su. I get authentication failure. why would I not be able to su to the new user? |
| 15:09.04 | beatnik | i dont have internet connection on my laptop, just wifi |
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| 15:09.36 | cyzie | beatnik, then just install the driver ? |
| 15:09.46 | some_dude | make that debbot tell me about java |
| 15:09.55 | beatnik | how can i do that |
| 15:10.38 | beatnik | it's atheros ar5005g |
| 15:11.19 | cahoot | PetaWindows, sure it's called wlan0? |
| 15:11.46 | PetaWindows | no... but in iwconfig don't appear |
| 15:12.03 | cahoot | PetaWindows, look in /etc/udev/z25_persistent-net.rules - see what name it gets |
| 15:12.17 | techbee | some_dude:/msg dpkg java |
| 15:13.08 | cahoot | PetaWindows, or simply run ifconfig |
| 15:13.30 | PetaWindows | ok |
| 15:13.39 | PetaWindows | no |
| 15:13.46 | PetaWindows | only eth0 and lo |
| 15:13.49 | some_dude | where can i find the rept for non free software? |
| 15:14.04 | Solet | does Looking Glass have an irc channel anywhere? |
| 15:14.09 | tarzeau | some_dude: just add non-free to your sources.list line? |
| 15:14.29 | tarzeau | Solet: something from sun.com? |
| 15:14.34 | cahoot | PetaWindows, you have unloaded the old zd1211 module? |
| 15:14.55 | PetaWindows | yes |
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| 15:15.43 | PetaWindows | cahoot: In a section of linuxwireless webpage I have found in "known issues" that: |
| 15:15.43 | PetaWindows | <<On some distributions (e.g., Debian) dhclient scripts do an ifconfig down/up before trying to get an IP which causes the driver to disassociate. Add iface eth1 inet dhcp to your /etc/networking/interfaces and bring up the interface with ifup eth1.>> |
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| 15:16.05 | techbee | !non-free |
| 15:16.05 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
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| 15:16.45 | m4lu6 | What's the minimum x-server packages i need installed in order to export display on a headless box? |
| 15:17.21 | cahoot | PetaWindows, well - I use networkmanager hence only have lo in interfaces |
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| 15:17.27 | massctrl | hi, anyone knows if "beautify'ing the init scripts is in the pipeline?" Maybe not an issue for many people but I thinks its very handy to have these nice colored [OK] [NOTOK] indications on the right next to every init.d starting. |
| 15:17.27 | SlayerXP | m4lu6: you don't need the X server packages. |
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| 15:18.14 | m4lu6 | SlayerXP I've got X11 forwarding turned on my target box; trying to display an image w/imagemagick's 'display'; receive: display: unable to open X server `'. |
| 15:18.25 | m4lu6 | my workstation accepts from all hosts. |
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| 15:19.02 | SlayerXP | m4lu6: is your DISPLAY evn var correct? |
| 15:19.06 | m4lu6 | nope. it's null. |
| 15:19.12 | PetaWindows | cahoot: in my network-admin only appears my eth0 ethernet conexion |
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| 15:19.28 | SlayerXP | m4lu6: then that'll be why |
| 15:19.37 | m4lu6 | uh. yah. i know. |
| 15:19.45 | Bushmills | m4lu6: ssh? check your sshd config, or use command line switch with ssh |
| 15:19.50 | m4lu6 | but what's the core problem here? ssh client can fwd. server accepts fwd. |
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| 15:20.21 | Bushmills | m4lu6: -X or -Y with ssh |
| 15:20.31 | m4lu6 | yah. i know. |
| 15:21.30 | beatnik | do you know which cds of debian i should have to install for desktop/laptop? |
| 15:21.41 | Bushmills | m4lu6: try other way around: let ssh server forward, and ssh client accept |
| 15:21.45 | xand | beatnik: depends what you want. I'd recommend using netinstall |
| 15:22.16 | beatnik | i dont have internet connection on my laptop, just wifi |
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| 15:23.26 | beatnik | so i can't use netinstall |
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| 15:24.25 | Bushmills | beatnik: the conclusion is not evident. my PDA has "only" wifi, but has internet connection though it |
| 15:24.41 | m4lu6 | bah. this is not an ssh problem. i'm quite sure of it. |
| 15:25.12 | Bushmills | m4lu6: what else should set you DISPLAY variable? |
| 15:25.29 | Bushmills | if it hasn't been done, it is ssh to blame |
| 15:25.41 | beatnik | Bushmills: installer can't find my wifi card during install, that's my problem. it's atheros ar5005g |
| 15:25.55 | Bushmills | beatnik: ah. |
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| 15:26.39 | beatnik | so do you know which cds of debian i should have to install for desktop using? |
| 15:27.11 | azeem | beatnik: the first one should be fine |
| 15:27.30 | Azar | beatnik: http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_debian_etch |
| 15:27.40 | Bushmills | beatnik: usbnet can be a useful temporary network connection. but i am not sure whether that is supported by the installer. |
| 15:27.53 | Azar | good morning honorable azeem :) |
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| 15:28.39 | PetaWindows | cahoot: I think that I go to install it by ndiswrapper... fakin hardware enterprises :@ I hope their window's being infectedddddd |
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| 15:30.59 | beatnik | what is the difference of http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0 and http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/current? |
| 15:31.06 | busfahrer | How can I keep a package from upgrading? |
| 15:31.21 | Bushmills | busfahrer: put it on hold |
| 15:31.36 | busfahrer | Bushmills: How? |
| 15:31.49 | floe | hi all |
| 15:32.00 | stew | busfahrer: /msg dpkg hold |
| 15:32.10 | busfahrer | cheers |
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| 15:32.33 | asmarin | hi i need freesans.ttf without X, which package contains it? |
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| 15:33.41 | stew | asmarin: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 15:33.44 | eald | asmarin, apt-file is a nice program that could answer that for you |
| 15:33.45 | floe | I have a problem with the linux-sound-base package. I can neither upgrade nor remove it. The process (dpkg?) just hangs.... what can I do now? |
| 15:33.54 | asmarin | i do it on my console |
| 15:34.00 | asmarin | but i dont want to install X entirely |
| 15:34.06 | asmarin | i only need these file |
| 15:34.10 | asmarin | eald |
| 15:34.14 | asmarin | stew |
| 15:34.30 | stew | ok |
| 15:34.40 | beatnik | hey do you know what is the difference of http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0 and http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/current? |
| 15:34.54 | Bushmills | floe: is sound device used while trying to remove? |
| 15:35.21 | stew | beatnik: notyhing, current is a symlink to 4.0_r0 |
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| 15:35.32 | beatnik | oh thanks |
| 15:35.47 | floe | Bushmills: good question... maybe arts, since I'm running kde... I will shut X down and switch to console then retry... |
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| 15:36.08 | chuck | ##free-speech |
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| 15:37.13 | eald | asmarin, if the dependences makes you install X, then I think the answer is none, there is no "debian package" that solves your problem, you could extract that from the .deb or you could get it from the source of the package that apt-file tells you |
| 15:37.39 | asmarin | ok im doing these last...trying to download only needed file instead use apt |
| 15:37.40 | floe | Bushmills: I dont't think so... alsa isn't even installed (depends on linux-sound-base). Still the same... :( |
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| 15:38.37 | SakalR | anyone updated old sarge (rc2) to etch? now I'm reading http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ap-old-stuff but interesting know yours opinions |
| 15:39.00 | Bushmills | asmarin: there is freesansbold.ttf in python-pygame which does not depend on X if that's any help |
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| 15:39.35 | stew | asmarin: if the package containing the font you need depends on X, i'd suggest that you consider filing a wishlist bug to have those dependencies fixed |
| 15:39.45 | asmarin | no no |
| 15:39.48 | asmarin | dont worry |
| 15:39.51 | asmarin | i found file |
| 15:39.57 | asmarin | i need it for run a perl script |
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| 15:42.54 | piztek | my backup drive isn't mounting properly on bootup and i'm forced to turn the computer off and unplug it |
| 15:43.12 | piztek | i get the error message INITRAMFS |
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| 15:44.30 | Azar | SakalR: my upgrade was done last year when etch was still the "testing" and I can say it went really smooth. I have followed the release notes |
| 15:46.00 | SakalR | Azar: i'm update my home computer in march, but home place is a home place, now I want to upgrade workplace :) |
| 15:46.15 | Azar | SakalR: if you run a 2.4.x kernel is a good idea to upgrade the kernel to a 2.6.8 first, as etch does not have a 2.4 kernel |
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| 15:46.29 | SakalR | oops |
| 15:47.05 | SakalR | I have motherboard, that want a 2.4 or 2.6.9 or high |
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| 15:47.17 | SakalR | not 2.6.8 |
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| 15:47.46 | SakalR | a try to use 2.6.8 on sarge, and kernel can't start with my SATA |
| 15:47.50 | h3sp4wn | SakalR: You can update with 2.4 |
| 15:48.34 | SakalR | ok, thanks, continue reading and do it (upgrade) :) |
| 15:48.43 | Azar | SakalR: sata will not run on a 2.4 kernel anyways. upgrade to etch then upgrade the kernel to the standard 2.6.18. |
| 15:49.17 | SakalR | now: uname -a |
| 15:49.18 | SakalR | Linux roma 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 15:49.30 | SakalR | but I have one SATA Seagate |
| 15:49.32 | stew | Azar: 2.4 supports sata |
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| 15:50.16 | Azar | SakalR: well, a "good idea" is to go to etch with a 2.6 kernel (2.6.8 < sarge kernel), upgrade to etch then immediately upgrade the kernel again to 2.6.18. |
| 15:50.46 | rob19 | what do i do if im using stable and wanted to use the latest version of a package aside from compiling it manually |
| 15:50.46 | Azar | thanks stew, I did not know |
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| 15:50.46 | chops | !tell rob19 about backports |
| 15:51.05 | stew | Azar: you thihk it would be good to replace his kernel that does support his sata with one that doesn't support his sata? |
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| 15:53.07 | Azar | The udev version in etch does not support kernel versions earlier than 2.6.15 (which includes sarge 2.6.8 kernels)... |
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| 15:53.28 | stew | what does that have to do with anything? |
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| 15:54.05 | Azar | well, I guess he should do a dist-upgrade then with what he has then upgrade the kernel after that to 2.6.18 |
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| 15:54.27 | Azar | my 2.4 kernel did not support sata...back when sarge was stable |
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| 15:54.36 | stew | Azar: yes it did |
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| 15:55.06 | Azar | the sarge installer never worked, I gave the CDs to a friend as gift.. |
| 15:55.24 | DrAk0 | anyone know how set a default page type as default, for example, letter instead of a4 and also margins ? |
| 15:55.40 | DrAk0 | with OO.org |
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| 15:56.12 | stew | Azar: just becuase it didn't support YOUR sata card doesn't mean it didn't support sata |
| 15:56.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Is there a way to connect two computers with GigE ports directly to eachother without a router? |
| 15:56.26 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: use a crossover cable |
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| 15:56.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | I only have a CAT-6 cable |
| 15:56.44 | stew | Azar: my point was that he said that 2.6.8 doesn't support his hardware but 2.4 does, but you seem to be saying that it would be better for him to use this version to upgrade anyway |
| 15:56.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | My router is only 100mbit/s though |
| 15:56.51 | xVoltage | switch will work also or hub |
| 15:56.58 | Azar | stew: right |
| 15:57.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | So using it would be a major bottleneck |
| 15:57.03 | xVoltage | buy a crossover cable |
| 15:57.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't have any, xVoltage |
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| 15:57.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | So there's no way to do it directly, then? |
| 15:57.35 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: plug the cable between the two and see if you get a link light. if you do, just configure both for a static ip with no gateway |
| 15:57.39 | xVoltage | what about a pair of wire crimpers and a few ends? |
| 15:57.41 | Azar | stew: we had in here yesterday someone that dist-upgraded by accident to etch with a 2.4.27 kernel... his apt went broke.. |
| 15:57.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | stew: Hmm... sounds ok enough |
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| 15:58.16 | stew | Azar: it shouldn't happen if one follows the upgrade procedure |
| 15:58.31 | Azar | stew: right, you are right |
| 15:58.37 | xVoltage | Do I really need all three of these DVD's? |
| 15:58.50 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: it will depend on whether or not one of your cards suppoorts auto-crossover (which many gigabyte cards do) |
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| 15:59.01 | mrEiger | hi! is CML2 included to current vanilla Kernel sources and if not where i can read how to include it into kernel sources??? |
| 15:59.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | stew: One computer is my desktop which has the nForce550-based MSI K9N Neo-F motherboard, the other is my new laptop, which has some Intel chip |
| 15:59.51 | chops | mrEiger: Isn't CML2 long, long dead? |
| 16:00.04 | chops | mrEiger: Why do you want it? |
| 16:00.08 | stew | xVoltage: no, if your machine can get onto the internet using a stock debian kernel you only need one, or you could just use a 150mb netinst cd. otherwise you only need the ones containing the packages you want to be able to install with no network |
| 16:00.19 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: then it will work |
| 16:00.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | stew: Brilliant :D |
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| 16:00.50 | xVoltage | DVD1 has some common apps on it? |
| 16:00.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | stew: Transferring 50 gigs over a 100-mbit router would be painfully slow |
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| 16:02.19 | mrEiger | chops: i've found it in net and read some topics about it. figured that this should be something like advanced config system to handle deps and so on. i'm new to linux so i don't know is it dead or not/ |
| 16:03.00 | chops | mrEiger: If you are new to Linux you should probably not be fooling with reconfiguring the kernel anyway. But yes, I believe that it is long dead, having been soundly rejected by the kernel maintainers. |
| 16:03.11 | jelly | mrEiger: the config system in the kernel was improved in the meantime. Basically, if you're new, you shouldn't care about that |
| 16:03.22 | SakalR | azar, stew, thanks up... have good time :) |
| 16:04.33 | xVoltage | debian any good for hosting a web server? |
| 16:04.44 | stew | xVoltage: yes |
| 16:05.24 | Bushmills | xVoltage: no. you need a computer for it |
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| 16:05.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | xVoltage: Well...define good.. If by good, you mean something that's fast, secure and stable: Fuck yeah |
| 16:05.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | The only competitor would be OpenBSD |
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| 16:06.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | xVoltage: Note: The above comment only applies to Debian Stable |
| 16:06.44 | mrEiger | chops, jelly: i'm not such a nood in linux and have compiled kernel many times. when i was saying that i'm new i meant that i use linux for one year (kernel since 2.6) :-) Thanks for quick answer!!! |
| 16:06.55 | xVoltage | Debian Stable being which distro? |
| 16:07.02 | xVoltage | 40r0? |
| 16:07.18 | Azar | xVoltage: yes |
| 16:07.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | 4.0, aka Etch |
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| 16:08.07 | xVoltage | I used to run apache on windows 2000 but viruses took it down a lot |
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| 16:08.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Haha |
| 16:08.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | No offense, but running a server on Windows is...well... stupid |
| 16:08.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | And that's an understatement |
| 16:08.47 | xVoltage | yeah, like running a bike with flat tires |
| 16:09.09 | mrEiger | jelly: i'm not such a nood in linux and have compiled kernel many times. when i was saying that i'm new i meant that i use linux for one year (kernel since 2.6) :-) Thanks for quick answer!!! |
| 16:09.38 | mrEiger | chops: i'm not such a nood in linux and have compiled kernel many times. when i was saying that i'm new i meant that i use linux for one year (kernel since 2.6) :-) Thanks for quick answer!!! |
| 16:09.49 | xVoltage | What should I know about debian if I have been running red hat 7.1 and xandros? |
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| 16:10.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | xVoltage: It doesn't suck. :) |
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| 16:10.43 | xVoltage | haha |
| 16:11.04 | mrEiger | ok, see u!!! |
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| 16:13.07 | en1gma | sup all |
| 16:13.37 | xVoltage | hey en1gma |
| 16:13.55 | en1gma | i just installed debian amd64 with kde (cd1) and then i changed source.list to sid repos and did a apt-get dist-upgrade and it seams my sound system dont work |
| 16:14.12 | chops | !sid |
| 16:14.12 | dpkg | the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 16:14.19 | stew | en1gma: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 16:14.25 | en1gma | i have an nf4 with ck08 or something like that, that is identified and an intelx80 or something |
| 16:14.37 | en1gma | thanks stew. checking now |
| 16:15.21 | stew | en1gma: and /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 16:15.28 | en1gma | stew i did what it told me in the alsa one-liner but it says i have the newest already |
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| 16:16.04 | cahoot | en1gma, try invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 16:16.34 | en1gma | invoke-rc.d: initscript alsa-utils, action "reset" failed. |
| 16:16.40 | en1gma | i might have to logout |
| 16:16.45 | en1gma | and back in maybe |
| 16:16.51 | cahoot | alsa not loade? |
| 16:17.07 | en1gma | i ran alsaconf and it found my hardware and picked the intel driver |
| 16:17.13 | en1gma | alsamixer wouldnt run though |
| 16:17.43 | en1gma | think i just need to logout and back in? |
| 16:17.50 | en1gma | let me try that brb |
| 16:18.01 | zicho | Is there anyway to easily convert *.ape to *.flac? |
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| 16:22.54 | en1gma | i dont have the red x in my kmix speaker icon in system tray but i still hear no sound |
| 16:23.04 | stew | en1gma: does alsamixer work? |
| 16:23.11 | en1gma | it does now |
| 16:23.29 | stew | en1gma: are both master and pcm channels both unmuted and with non-zero volume? |
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| 16:23.57 | en1gma | master and pcm looked go (100%) and let me dbl check to make sure not mute...1sec |
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| 16:24.33 | en1gma | yea they look good |
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| 16:24.55 | stew | en1gma: is snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
| 16:25.37 | en1gma | will lsmod show it? |
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| 16:28.04 | en1gma | snd 65896 10 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_time |
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| 16:28.04 | eifzon | The VirtualBox kernel driver is not accessible to the current user. Make sure that the user has write permissions for /dev/vboxdrv by adding them to the vboxusers groups. How can i fix this? I am using Debian Etch 4.0/KDE |
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| 16:28.27 | en1gma | sorry |
| 16:28.27 | en1gma | i had speaker volume turned all the way down |
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| 16:28.27 | en1gma | but i did have a red speaker icon |
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| 16:28.28 | Muisje | netsplito |
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| 16:28.31 | Azar | oooo.... this is new to me |
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| 16:28.46 | Azar | now gonna list all 300+ rejoins? |
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| 16:29.40 | en1gma | ok at this point with the amd64 kernel and an ati x1950 pro pci-e vcard which is the best way to install the driver? through the fglrx one-liner instructions or through atis binary installer |
| 16:30.01 | Azar | the one-liner |
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| 16:30.03 | chops | en1gma: fglrx one-liner |
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| 16:30.16 | h3sp4wn | en1gma: use the one in the repos (version in sid is same as latest ati anyway afaik) |
| 16:30.20 | chops | en1gma: The non-Debian way is almost never going to be the best way if there is a Debian way available |
| 16:30.23 | en1gma | ok will try that but last time i did it...it didnt work right |
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| 16:30.32 | en1gma | ok will try it now |
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| 16:30.58 | Azar | en1gma: edit your sources.list to add to each at the end non-free contrib |
| 16:31.31 | en1gma | thats first thing i do when i change repos to sid |
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| 16:31.37 | en1gma | so thats taken care of |
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| 16:32.16 | en1gma | is that fglrx one-liner only for 32bit debian |
| 16:32.30 | en1gma | it started dloading 32bit libs |
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| 16:33.17 | en1gma | hello? |
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| 16:34.01 | dimsuz | why cant i find nvidia-kernel-source package using apt-search? in what repo does it resides? |
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| 16:34.24 | Azar | dimsuz: if you install from nvidia site you are not going ok |
| 16:34.40 | dimsuz | Azar: nope, I try to find debian package. |
| 16:34.49 | Supaplex | he might only have main in his sources.list |
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| 16:35.04 | dimsuz | Supaplex: nope. main contrib non-freee |
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| 16:35.13 | en1gma | [06:33] <en1gma> is that fglrx one-liner only for 32bit debian |
| 16:35.13 | en1gma | [06:33] <en1gma> it started dloading 32bit libs |
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| 16:36.05 | Supaplex | so much for ide=nodma. the kernel is hanging on boot but tries to use dma anyway. grr. |
| 16:36.06 | zinx | en1gma: uhm, no |
| 16:36.08 | dimsuz | deb & deb-src |
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| 16:36.32 | zinx | en1gma: it's not only for 32-bit.. if it downloaded 32-bit libs, it's either because you're running a 32-bit version of debian or for compatibility |
| 16:36.33 | en1gma | ok gonna run it again then |
| 16:36.40 | en1gma | ok |
| 16:36.45 | Azar | dimsuz: if you use nvidia one-liner you don't need that |
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| 16:36.57 | zinx | debian won't download/install packages for the wrong architecture |
| 16:37.03 | zinx | won't even list them |
| 16:37.07 | dimsuz | Azar: one-liner? |
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| 16:37.08 | Skyrail | Does linux treat SCSI drives much different from SATA and IDE drives? As in I'm guessing not much needs to be changed |
| 16:37.18 | Azar | dimsuz: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 16:37.36 | valdyn | Skyrail: what's your real question? |
| 16:37.44 | valdyn | Skyrail: or what are you trying to do? |
| 16:37.49 | dimsuz | Azar: huh? then what's this: update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source <-- |
| 16:37.52 | dimsuz | :) |
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| 16:38.31 | dimsuz | and search on packages.debian.org doesn't give me this package too. where is it? :-) |
| 16:38.42 | dimsuz | unstable/experimental? |
| 16:38.50 | Azar | dimsuz: did you download the nvidia installer? |
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| 16:39.02 | dimsuz | Azar: no |
| 16:39.03 | valdyn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:39.03 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
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| 16:39.35 | SoulChild | hi all |
| 16:39.37 | en1gma | in the configurator it didnt auto detect my video card now another screen came up where i can choose "vesa" and many others |
| 16:39.38 | SoulChild | is there a |
| 16:39.38 | Skyrail | valdyn: I'm not yet, I just have this server without a HD currently and I wanted to know if it's much difference to set up linux SCSI drives then others as the server supports hot swap drives |
| 16:39.50 | en1gma | i did what fglrx one-liner said to do |
| 16:39.55 | dimsuz | Azar: I'm on testing, so i use nvidia_post_etch |
| 16:40.06 | dimsuz | valdyn: ^^^ |
| 16:40.09 | Azar | dimsuz: ah, sorry I did not know that.. |
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| 16:40.25 | en1gma | i updated the pciids |
| 16:40.28 | dimsuz | and it has nvidia-kernel-source that is misteriously hidden somewere :) |
| 16:40.37 | valdyn | dimsuz: i wonder where the hell you see 'nvidia-kernel-source' mentioned as a package |
| 16:40.46 | SoulChild | how to solve the firefox/iceweasel problem with adobe's flash plugin? |
| 16:40.47 | en1gma | and i ran the fglrx one-liner command |
| 16:41.25 | dimsuz | valdyn: apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source. Isn't this a two package argument to apt get? |
| 16:41.35 | dimsuz | i may miss something of course |
| 16:41.55 | valdyn | dimsuz: where are you seeing that instruction? |
| 16:41.58 | en1gma | mine is for that ati driver using the fglrx one-liner way |
| 16:42.08 | dimsuz | valdyn: /msg dpkg nvidia_post_etch |
| 16:42.21 | valdyn | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 16:42.21 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 16:42.24 | en1gma | i have a screen up after it tried to auto detect my vcard and failed |
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| 16:42.41 | dimsuz | valdyn: see? :) is it wrong? |
| 16:42.44 | en1gma | now it shows vesa and alot more i can select from....need to know what i pick |
| 16:42.54 | Azar | might be the nvidia-linux-source ? |
| 16:43.21 | en1gma | i knew i prob should not have used the fglrx one-liner install method |
| 16:43.25 | apfel | Anyone experiencing a segmentation fault when executing update-python-modules -i /usr/share/python-support/python-gtk2 ? |
| 16:43.28 | dimsuz | Azar: no source-related package is shown when I do apt-cache search nvidia |
| 16:43.34 | valdyn | !why is nvidia-kernel-source not in testing |
| 16:43.34 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-kernel-source |
| 16:43.35 | en1gma | im just gonna quit out of that installer and get the ati one |
| 16:43.46 | apfel | after this the system pretty much hangs |
| 16:43.46 | valdyn | dimsuz: you need to get that package from sid currently |
| 16:43.48 | eald | non-free |
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| 16:44.09 | dimsuz | valdyn: ah. thanks, man! I guess I can live with nv for some time :) |
| 16:44.22 | beatnik | hello, my debian install give an md5 checksum error, what can i do? |
| 16:44.27 | valdyn | nvidia-graphics-drivers is only 8 days old. It must be 10 days old to go in. |
| 16:44.35 | valdyn | dimsuz: that's the only issue showing atm ^^^ |
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| 16:44.44 | dimsuz | valdyn: yeah, I see. how do you think is it the only... |
| 16:44.45 | dimsuz | ah :) |
| 16:44.49 | dimsuz | you answered faster |
| 16:44.50 | eifzon | how do i manage so my user can use virtualbox? |
| 16:45.16 | dimsuz | valdyn: thanks once again |
| 16:45.25 | dimsuz | Azar: thanks for your support |
| 16:45.55 | Azar | dimsuz: well, for nothing... I have no idea about "testing" issues yet :) |
| 16:46.20 | dimsuz | Azar: for trying to help :) |
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| 16:47.26 | beatnik | hello, my debian install give an md5 checksum error, what can i do? |
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| 16:50.20 | en1gma | will someone for the love of god help me get this damned driver to install |
| 16:50.27 | en1gma | this is rediculous |
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| 16:51.10 | en1gma | come on please |
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| 16:52.00 | abrotman | tried asking #ati ? |
| 16:52.13 | SoulChild | Is there a way to get packages from the gnome menu "Application->Systemtools" auto. installed to "system"?? |
| 16:52.20 | beatnik | hello, my debian install give an md5 checksum error, what can i do? |
| 16:52.58 | abrotman | md5 checksum where? |
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| 16:53.45 | beatnik | durin check cdrom integrity |
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| 16:54.16 | abrotman | what speed did you burn it ? |
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| 16:54.32 | beatnik | x4 |
| 16:54.49 | abrotman | and the install fails ? |
| 16:54.53 | beatnik | yes |
| 16:54.55 | ampex | Is there a way to extract file (default configuration file for example) from a debian package that is already installed? |
| 16:55.15 | abrotman | ampex: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 16:55.25 | abrotman | ampex: or manually extract the package and take them out |
| 16:55.34 | abrotman | beatnik: tried to burn it more than once ? |
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| 16:56.08 | ampex | abrotman: where are packages that have already been installed kept by default? |
| 16:56.11 | beatnik | no i'll try |
| 16:56.19 | abrotman | ampex: eh? |
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| 16:57.01 | ampex | abrotman: are packages that are installed cached locally? |
| 16:57.11 | abrotman | /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 16:57.16 | ampex | abrotman: thanks much |
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| 17:12.44 | ampex | zicho: http://gimpel.gi.funpic.de/wiki/index.php?title=Howto:convert_ape_to_wav/mp3/ogg_on_Linux |
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| 17:13.35 | SoulChild | Is there a way to get packages from the gnome menu "Application->Systemtools" auto. installed to "system"?? |
| 17:13.51 | ampex | zicho: more specifically, http://aidanjm.wordpress.com/2007/02/04/converting-monkey%E2%80%99s-audio-ape-files-to-flac-in-ubuntu/ |
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| 17:17.04 | abrotman | SoulChild: installed to system ? |
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| 17:20.29 | SoulChild | abrotman: into the menu "System" in gnome |
| 17:20.47 | abrotman | !menu |
| 17:20.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, menu is the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
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| 17:21.46 | en1gma | alright will some one PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me how to install my ati x1950 pro pci-e card in my nf4 motherboard with an amd64 chip running debian sid amd64 kernel |
| 17:21.53 | en1gma | ive been trying trying and trying |
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| 17:22.53 | zicho | ampex: I tried that but "mac" wont find "libc.so.6" |
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| 17:23.18 | abrotman | xand: ping! |
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| 17:24.46 | en1gma | brb rebooting |
| 17:25.09 | unlink | does installing openssh-server start sshd? |
| 17:26.01 | abrotman | it should ask you |
| 17:26.43 | unlink | thanks. |
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| 17:28.44 | en1gma | whats the one-liner to reconfigure X |
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| 17:29.26 | stew | en1gma: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 17:29.43 | en1gma | thnx |
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| 17:31.41 | en1gma | that still dont detect my video card |
| 17:31.47 | en1gma | i have no 3d accelleration |
| 17:32.02 | en1gma | ive tried the fglrx one-liner and the ati binary installer |
| 17:32.05 | en1gma | what is going on |
| 17:32.26 | abrotman | did you ask #ati yet? |
| 17:32.29 | en1gma | #ati |
| 17:32.40 | en1gma | yea but no one answers in there |
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| 17:32.53 | en1gma | certainly someone has an ati card with 3d accell working in here |
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| 17:32.57 | en1gma | there is 800 ppl |
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| 17:37.01 | abrotman | en1gma: certailny someone does .. but not everyone has the money to spend on a new video card like you do |
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| 17:38.16 | en1gma | i used to have the 8800gtx and gave it to my son...now i have the old one i bought him long time ago |
| 17:38.28 | en1gma | brb i think i might have fixed and have to logout and back in |
| 17:39.05 | tont | my audio card does not come more recognized. in fact in /proc the folder asound does not appear… if I try with one live works… what I can make? |
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| 17:40.56 | Halleck | anyone know of a linux browser that can search inside text fields? |
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| 17:41.11 | ma3x | why when I close the lid on my laptop, the action specified in /etc/acpi/lid.sh is not performed?? |
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| 17:42.30 | tarzeau | Halleck: firefox can? |
| 17:42.42 | tarzeau | Halleck: i mean iceweasel 2.0.0.4 does |
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| 17:42.48 | stew | ma3x: becuase you didn't configure it in /etc/acpi/events ? |
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| 17:42.56 | Halleck | tarzeau, really? I'll try |
| 17:43.02 | tarzeau | Halleck: yes rly! |
| 17:43.15 | Halleck | tarzeau, no wai! |
| 17:43.24 | ma3x | stew, it is configured.. look: vent=button[ /]lid |
| 17:43.24 | ma3x | action=/etc/acpi/lid.sh |
| 17:43.34 | tarzeau | Halleck: http://orly.istheshit.net/ |
| 17:44.10 | tarzeau | debian's soon 14 years old, who makes a party where? http://wiki.debian.org/Debian14th |
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| 17:44.37 | mattex | Hi. |
| 17:44.46 | ma3x | stew, is it perhaps /etc/acpi/fglrx-lid for the lid? |
| 17:44.55 | ma3x | and not /etc/acpi/lid.sh? |
| 17:45.01 | Halleck | awex0me... I'd given up on firefox but I guess they fixed this bug |
| 17:45.02 | Halleck | thanks |
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| 17:45.11 | ma3x | stew, correction of first line: /etc/acpi/fglrx-powermode.sh |
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| 17:45.21 | piztek | anyone know anything about the 64bit flash plugin? |
| 17:45.24 | piztek | when it will be ot |
| 17:45.26 | piztek | out* |
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| 17:45.41 | stew | ma3x: i don't understand the question |
| 17:46.40 | ma3x | stew, I pasted what /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn contains . it redirects me to /etc/acpi/lid.sh . and whatever I put in there, it's not working |
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| 17:47.45 | numer | hello i'm getting atal error: Call to undefined method Registry::_fillAPICache() in /var/www/mail/lib/Horde/Registry.php on line 510 failure although the horde installation is new. is there a documentation how to compile php for debian? |
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| 17:47.48 | mattex | Question: I want to execute a command to the start of my computer (the command is: stunnel - v 1 - s IRC - N ircs - d 8888 - r 127.0.0.1: 44444); I have tried to put the script in a executeable file with relative link to /etc/rcS.d/S100test , but I have a loop into the system to the boot... What can I do??? Very thankksss |
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| 17:48.49 | xand | abrotman: yes? |
| 17:49.04 | stew | ma3x: does it really say "vent=" or is it "event="? |
| 17:49.36 | stew | mattex: you should probably put that in an 'up' line in /etc/network/interfaces for whatever interface that connection is supposed to use so that it is started after the network is brought up |
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| 17:49.56 | numer | cd /join #horde |
| 17:50.02 | numer | where can i mange this? |
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| 17:50.17 | eth01 | numer: type /join #horde |
| 17:50.25 | psyco-obiwan | i just started with python and I heard the problems i have with ctrl-c on python scripts exists only on debian... is there any workaround or cure for that ? |
| 17:50.43 | giesen | Is there a lightweight serial comm program included in a debian base install? (read: not minicom) |
| 17:50.55 | stew | psyco-obiwan: what do you mean "exists only on debian"? |
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| 17:51.10 | stew | psyco-obiwan: you mean you hit ctrl-c and your python script doesn't terminate? |
| 17:51.10 | mattex | steve: I must waiting the execution of my command stunnel after the loading of another process, ircd-ircu |
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| 17:51.23 | MangosDebian | giesen: stty+cat? :) |
| 17:51.29 | mattex | ehm, stew , |
| 17:51.33 | numer | eth01 yes and they say ask debian |
| 17:51.36 | mattex | stew: I must waiting the execution of my command stunnel after the loading of another process, ircd-ircu |
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| 17:52.00 | psyco-obiwan | stew: i am not sure yet, but people sad it only occures on debians python that you have to background and kill -9 %x |
| 17:52.00 | psyco-obiwan | s/sad/said/ |
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| 17:52.22 | psyco-obiwan | yep, exactly stew |
| 17:52.23 | stew | mattex: well realize that S100foo will get executed BEFORE S10foo, you probably want something likse S99 not S100 |
| 17:53.04 | stew | psyco-obiwan: you need to trap the signal in your python code, read about the signal python module, you'll want to trap the SIGTERM signal |
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| 17:53.45 | mattex | stew: yes! you know good! i have place a file with name S100ircs , and this file looop because 100 is loading before the 10 ???? |
| 17:54.00 | psyco-obiwan | stew: thx, ill read it up, is it true that is only happening in debian or has python this problem everywhere due to its threaded nature ? |
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| 17:54.18 | stew | mattex: yes, becuase they are started in ascii order, not numerical order |
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| 17:54.32 | stew | psyco-obiwan: i don't know. i only use python under debian |
| 17:55.17 | stew | psyco-obiwan: but basically you'll be doing something like "signal.signal( signal.SIGTERM, my_term_signal_handler ) where my_term_signal_handler is a function that you want to have called when someone hits ctrl-c |
| 17:55.47 | mattex | if I change the name of file from /etc/rcS.d/S100ircs to /etc/rcS.d/S10ircs the file with my command stunnel with relative parameters not will go in looback to the boott? I have 5 minutes ago start my system in single user mode gosh damn... |
| 17:55.54 | mattex | stew: |
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| 17:56.23 | valdyn | mattex: why do you think that S100 is within the spec? |
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| 17:56.59 | psyco-obiwan | stew: thx alot, im already trying it... i was a bit bored with the first steps in python on this behaviour but meanwhile i already like python a lot for the simple syntax |
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| 17:57.22 | stew | mattex: "ls -1 /etc/rc2.d/S*" will show you the order that they are executed in |
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| 17:57.35 | krlos | hi... Iam trying to update a woody debian... but the http.us.debian.org/debian woody main me asale como no encontrado |
| 17:57.54 | stew | krlos: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 17:58.33 | krlos | soprry |
| 17:58.38 | krlos | not found |
| 17:58.52 | mattex | I have already create the link from /bin/ircs to /etc/rc2.d/S99ircs , but on the boot has crashed (sorry for my badly english, oh my gosh! :) |
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| 17:59.19 | stew | !tell krlos about woody->sarge |
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| 17:59.44 | krlos | stew: about woddy |
| 17:59.47 | krlos | woody |
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| 17:59.57 | mattex | ircs for ipotesy is the file bash with to the inside " stunnel -v 1 -s irc -N ircs -d 3333 -r 127.0.0.1:44444 " |
| 18:00.40 | blizzow | What packages should I retrieve during a netinstall of etch on a laptop? |
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| 18:00.58 | stew | mattex: if this is something that you want to have started whenever ircu is started why not just alter the /etc/init.d/ircd-ircu script? |
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| 18:01.18 | capiira | hmm is there no nvidia kernel module for the new kernel in testing ? |
| 18:02.34 | krlos | exactly i want to update woody ... no change to sarge.. just continue using woody.. but the repository sayme not foun or woody use other apt source |
| 18:02.36 | mattex | stew: ok, and the syntax for execute my file into file ircd-ircu which is? |
| 18:03.10 | stew | !it |
| 18:03.11 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
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| 18:03.31 | valdyn | krlos: woody support is discontinued for a long time already. You cant update |
| 18:03.32 | mattex | yes, ok stew |
| 18:03.38 | mattex | thanks a lot in anycase |
| 18:03.39 | stew | krlos: woody no longer receives updates, support for woody was discontinued in 2006 |
| 18:03.42 | mattex | byeZ |
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| 18:04.01 | MangosDebian | zomg, Giant badgers terrorise Iraqi port city -> http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22056684-5001028,00.html |
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| 18:04.23 | capiira | hmmm that usb_suspend feature/bug is becoming really annoying in every distro |
| 18:04.45 | krlos | stew... I know that.... but if i want tu use some packages from woody yet |
| 18:05.29 | krlos | the reposotory has changed o no |
| 18:05.36 | krlos | because tell me not found |
| 18:05.56 | valdyn | !debian archive |
| 18:05.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian archive is http://snapshot.debian.net |
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| 18:06.17 | Nyle | !snapshot |
| 18:06.18 | dpkg | somebody said debian snapshot was http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 18:06.20 | Nyle | hmm |
| 18:06.25 | Gm4n | I'm trying to setup a raid 1 on a pair of matching sata drives on my debian system (non boot drives). I found a tutorial saying to apt-get install raidtools2, but my package manager can't find them. Does this mean I need to put more sources into my sources.list? |
| 18:06.30 | stew | krlos: http://archive.debian.org/ but note that woody is not longer supported |
| 18:06.45 | capiira | hmmm is there a way to use the nvidia .18 kernel module with .21? |
| 18:06.52 | valdyn | !debian-archive |
| 18:06.59 | krlos | theanks |
| 18:06.59 | stew | valdyn: i'll change it |
| 18:07.01 | Nyle | capiira: what exactly again? |
| 18:07.23 | capiira | sec let me check for the name |
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| 18:07.43 | Nyle | capiira: you want to use a 2.6.18 compiled kernel module on 2.6.21? |
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| 18:07.55 | stew | !no debian archive is debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at http://archive.debian.org/ and old versions of packages can be found at http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 18:07.55 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 18:07.57 | capiira | i wonder if its possible |
| 18:07.59 | Nyle | more than likely it isn't going to work because it was comipled with another kernel sources version |
| 18:08.05 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 18:08.07 | capiira | :/ |
| 18:08.23 | Nyle | capiira: just use the new version of the driver |
| 18:08.37 | capiira | there is no nvidia driver non-free |
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| 18:08.44 | Nyle | capiira: if you are using .21 then you're more thanlikey on sid/testing, so just compile the nvidia module with those kernel sources |
| 18:08.49 | Drakou | hi everybody |
| 18:09.02 | Nyle | capiira: there is a free open souce nvidia driver called nv |
| 18:09.13 | Nyle | capiira: xorg-xserver-driver-nv or something |
| 18:09.15 | Nyle | I dunno |
| 18:09.21 | Nyle | it comes with xorg metapackage |
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| 18:09.25 | capiira | yeah but not hardware acceleration and no multi display |
| 18:09.27 | stew | s/driver/video/ |
| 18:09.35 | Nyle | stew: thanks |
| 18:09.48 | Nyle | capiira: unfortunately no 3d |
| 18:09.51 | stew | well its xserver-xorg-video-nv not xorg-xserver... |
| 18:09.55 | Nyle | capiira: which debian release? |
| 18:10.03 | capiira | testing |
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| 18:10.27 | Drakou | I am actually trying to use the imx_spi support and i have a problem with this driver. I keep trying to debug it for 2 weeks but now i would like some help in kernel modules debbuging. Is there anybody here who use to write kernel drivers ? |
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| 18:10.41 | capiira | and the 2d of those drivers is not that good too |
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| 18:10.46 | capiira | heh |
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| 18:11.08 | HYPOKRIT | bon |
| 18:11.08 | wols | Drakou: #krenelnewbies |
| 18:11.16 | eth01 | uswsusp says the swop partition isnt' right?! |
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| 18:11.28 | HYPOKRIT | here dounie27 you can learn a lot |
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| 18:12.30 | capiira_ | got disconnected |
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| 18:12.46 | capiira_ | me? |
| 18:12.49 | tarzeau | !enterprise |
| 18:12.50 | dpkg | hmm... enterprise is a marketing buzzword which means "big, expensive, complex, and so full of bugs that you require a support contract to keep it running" |
| 18:12.52 | Drakou | sorry :) i forgot the slash |
| 18:13.03 | capiira_ | heh |
| 18:13.08 | stew | the nv driver doesn't support xinerama? |
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| 18:13.31 | tarzeau | dpkg enterprise is also dict says an organization created for business ventures. check http://wiki.debian.org/Enterprise |
| 18:13.32 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
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| 18:13.45 | stew | i dunno why they would not want to support that, i can't imagine it would cause them to divulge trade secrets or whatever |
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| 18:14.26 | capiira_ | ekk |
| 18:14.26 | capiira_ | split |
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| 18:14.50 | piztek | devilspie is awesome! |
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| 18:15.06 | piztek | does anyone know why my backup drive is erroring at bootup? |
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| 18:16.38 | Gm4n | while we're netsplitted like crazy, does anyone know a good tutorial for setting up a raid 1 (on two non-boot disks) on etch? |
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| 18:17.00 | alanhaggai | Whenever I start a terminal, I get the messages 'CPU temperature is normal' It is hindering the work. How can I stop it? |
| 18:17.07 | tarzeau | Gm4n: if i hear raid, i always gotta check which as in http://www.linuks.mine.nu/raid.jpg :) |
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| 18:17.20 | tarzeau | alanhaggai: find out what says it and remove it? |
| 18:17.25 | Gm4n | wow, nice link tarzeau =) |
| 18:17.25 | tarzeau | alanhaggai: what says echo $SHELL ? |
| 18:17.41 | tarzeau | Gm4n: that one is funny too: http://raid.istheshit.net/ |
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| 18:18.01 | Gm4n | is the second work-safe? |
| 18:18.11 | tarzeau | Gm4n: yes |
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| 18:18.25 | tarzeau | Gm4n: raid is some insect killer product, in europe at least |
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| 18:18.36 | piztek | does anyone know how to repair a backup drive? |
| 18:18.44 | tarzeau | piztek: just like any other? |
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| 18:18.58 | tarzeau | piztek: run the manufacturer disk check tool, if it's broke, replace it |
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| 18:19.08 | piztek | tarzeau: i mean it won't boot, and i get "INITRAMFS" |
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| 18:19.21 | piztek | and i'm forced to restart |
| 18:19.31 | tarzeau | piztek: that's maybe just some software problem, i didn't follow what your problems were |
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| 18:19.38 | piztek | but i do have commands to work with |
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| 18:19.45 | Gm4n | net-unsplit |
| 18:19.45 | capiira_ | wb |
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| 18:19.47 | alanhaggai | tarzeau: /bin/bash is the output |
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| 18:19.54 | tarzeau | alanhaggai: so you use bash |
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| 18:20.03 | alanhaggai | yes. |
| 18:20.06 | piztek | tarzeau: when I boot, yes, /bin/sh: can't access tty:etc |
| 18:20.14 | tarzeau | alanhaggai: you should consult its homepage for details what its autorun things are, one would think of www.bash.org |
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| 18:20.42 | alanhaggai | tarzeau: Thanks :) |
| 18:20.55 | tarzeau | alanhaggai: but it's not the homepage like www.zsh.org is for zsh |
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| 18:21.04 | piztek | so how do i fix my drive? |
| 18:21.12 | piztek | unmount it in fstab? |
| 18:21.17 | tarzeau | alanhaggai: if you use my zshrc it looks like bash, but is much cooler: www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/dotzshrc |
| 18:21.37 | alanhaggai | aha |
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| 18:21.54 | alanhaggai | tarzeau: Which is the best terminal? |
| 18:22.02 | fuzzy | one that you can see |
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| 18:23.21 | h3sp4wn | c |
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| 18:24.31 | eth01 | how do i start SSHD? |
| 18:24.32 | tarzeau | alanhaggai: for me, terminal.app |
| 18:24.40 | tarzeau | alanhaggai: but zsh, bash etc, are not terminals, they are shells |
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| 18:24.56 | tarzeau | alanhaggai: it's like a car (what it looks like from outside, and it's engine) |
| 18:25.20 | tarzeau | eth01: /etc/init.d/ssh start ? |
| 18:25.55 | eth01 | no such file/directory |
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| 18:26.08 | tarzeau | eth01: apt-get install ssh it first? |
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| 18:27.25 | olspookishmagus | hello, is there a faq/wiki/guide on how to get (La)TEX up and running on Debian? =/ |
| 18:27.56 | aadil | google? |
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| 18:28.17 | tarzeau | olspookishmagus: just apt-get install tetex-{bin,base,doc,extra} ? |
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| 18:28.26 | tarzeau | aadil: it fits on a line :) |
| 18:28.29 | tarzeau | then pdflatex some.tex |
| 18:28.35 | aadil | :) |
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| 18:29.01 | tarzeau | aadil: really debian enables people to use software that is not so easy built by individuals |
| 18:29.10 | tarzeau | by providing ready to use, sanely configured binaries |
| 18:29.11 | piztek | am i in the correct room to be asking about this drive acting up? |
| 18:29.19 | shwouchk | Can I install debian to a machine which can netboot by bios? |
| 18:29.23 | tarzeau | and that's not all. it gets better, you can contribute to it! |
| 18:29.28 | tarzeau | shwouchk: sure! |
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| 18:29.39 | subx | has anyone used 'makejail' to create a chroot environment? |
| 18:29.45 | aadil | hurray! |
| 18:29.52 | aadil | \(^^)/ |
| 18:30.11 | aadil | (ok, i was over-enthusiat there) |
| 18:30.15 | aadil | blame it on teh beers |
| 18:30.16 | aadil | :) |
| 18:30.35 | shwouchk | tarzeau: any good guides you know about? |
| 18:30.47 | tarzeau | shwouchk: yes :) http://wiki.debian.org/Enterprise |
| 18:30.56 | beatnik | do you know where are my kernel headers? i'm on debian etch |
| 18:31.00 | blizzow | shwouchk: didn't you just ask that question in ##linux? ;) I believe you want to look up pxeboot in a search engine. |
| 18:31.00 | tarzeau | shwouchk: PXE netboot.. |
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| 18:31.02 | shwouchk | tarzeau: thanks |
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| 18:31.12 | tarzeau | blizzow: did he say on x86? |
| 18:31.18 | tarzeau | blizzow: PXE is not for sparc and all the others |
| 18:31.23 | stew | beatnik: they are in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build after you install the linux-headers-$(uname -r) package |
| 18:31.27 | tarzeau | but true he said BIOS |
| 18:31.27 | shwouchk | tarzeau: Im on x86 |
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| 18:32.13 | shwouchk | blizzow: I did :) - but I didn't notice your answer, cause it wasnt directed at me... I sometimes miss those :( |
| 18:32.41 | Phil4 | hi guys, I just noticed when looking at /etc/passwd that this debian base system install has some users on it with valid shells (9 in all). How are the passwords of these users set - are they assigned randomly or are static passwords assigned? |
| 18:32.59 | wols | Phil4: no passwords |
| 18:33.19 | tarzeau | !harden-doc |
| 18:33.19 | dpkg | it has been said that harden-doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
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| 18:33.20 | stew | Phil4: probably no passwords, /etc/shadow should confirm that they have somehting like "*" or "x" in place of a valid password hash |
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| 18:33.37 | Phil4 | so that means what wols/stew? |
| 18:33.42 | Phil4 | they can't actually be logged into? |
| 18:33.49 | wols | that mean there is no password you can use to log in to that accounts |
| 18:33.56 | wols | unless you explicitly set one of course |
| 18:34.04 | piztek | wols: can you help me fix my backup drive |
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| 18:34.20 | Phil4 | ok, so why do they exist with valid shells? |
| 18:34.27 | Phil4 | as opposed to /dev/null or w/e |
| 18:34.30 | tarzeau | Phil4: so they can do stuff |
| 18:34.33 | wols | cause for some reason or other they need a ~ |
| 18:34.49 | Phil4 | hm, ok |
| 18:34.50 | Phil4 | cheers :) |
| 18:34.51 | tarzeau | Phil4: you can't put a cow on the moon, they must be placed on grass |
| 18:35.18 | Phil4 | there is grass tarzeau |
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| 18:35.23 | Phil4 | apt-get moo |
| 18:35.30 | Phil4 | it looks a little fake, but hey, it's ascii grass |
| 18:35.32 | Phil4 | lol |
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| 18:36.05 | tarzeau | Phil4: looks like trampled grass |
| 18:36.16 | Phil4 | hehe |
| 18:36.28 | eth01 | haha lol |
| 18:36.29 | eth01 | thats cool |
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| 18:36.46 | tarzeau | you can also try aptitude moo (add some -vvv) |
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| 18:36.57 | Phil4 | yah, seen that too |
| 18:37.03 | Phil4 | anyway, thanks |
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| 18:37.22 | piztek | ah, ignoring joins is so relaxing |
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| 18:39.09 | rcbarnes | does anyone know of any decent house/architeure OSS? |
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| 18:39.33 | shwouchk | piztek: thats a good idea actually! |
| 18:39.40 | rcbarnes | It doesn't have to be great, just basic |
| 18:39.48 | FordCortina | when you unmount a usb disk in debian does gnome give some feedback on the progress of the unmounting? |
| 18:40.29 | shwouchk | piztek: what client do you use? |
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| 18:42.44 | tarzeau | FordCortina: just mount it sync? |
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| 18:43.25 | tzfardea | Hey, when I run mplayer/xmms/bzflag I get "Segmentation fault", how can I fix this problem? |
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| 18:44.32 | GeorgeA | 172.17.0.63 |
| 18:44.40 | GeorgeA | oops |
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| 18:48.49 | subx | anyone here run debian on a pentium II ? |
| 18:49.05 | pb_werkin | several. |
| 18:49.10 | subx | pentium I ? |
| 18:49.15 | azeem | subx: please, no polls |
| 18:49.19 | subx | ok |
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| 18:50.28 | zinx | popcon needs processor statistics |
| 18:50.37 | piztek | okay can anyone help me get my backup drive working again? |
| 18:50.55 | subx | piztek: what kind of backup drive? |
| 18:51.03 | piztek | 300gb sata2 |
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| 18:51.23 | alexIdoia | hi is it possible to close the tray of the CD drive via a command ? |
| 18:51.24 | subx | have u checked the partitions with fdisk |
| 18:51.25 | piztek | i went on my windows hd, then came back to my linux hd and backup drive and the backup drive wouldn't load |
| 18:51.35 | piztek | subx, how do i do that |
| 18:51.47 | subx | fdisk /dev/<device> |
| 18:51.53 | piztek | i can't get into gnome when i plug it in |
| 18:51.58 | subx | i see |
| 18:52.01 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 18:52.02 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 18:52.03 | h3sp4wn | alexIdoia: eject -t |
| 18:52.11 | Nyle | alexIdoia: eject -T |
| 18:52.15 | alexIdoia | ok |
| 18:52.22 | Nyle | capital T |
| 18:52.30 | piztek | lol, the error is INITRAMFS |
| 18:52.32 | Nyle | alexIdoia: man eject |
| 18:52.44 | alexIdoia | ok |
| 18:52.59 | alexIdoia | thanks I just thought that eject was only to eject :) |
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| 18:53.15 | wols | piztek: what error? there is more to it than that |
| 18:53.32 | wols | initramfs |
| 18:53.38 | wols | !initramfs |
| 18:53.38 | dpkg | initramfs is, like, the new initrd. See http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for Sarge and Etch kernel differences (forward looking as we know it prior to etchs' release) |
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| 18:53.45 | piztek | the full error is /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off (INITRAMFS) |
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| 18:54.52 | piztek | and i'm thinking i should remove the mount from fstab and start over |
| 18:54.55 | wols | piztek: what kernel exactly? |
| 18:55.09 | wols | that is not an fstab problem |
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| 18:55.19 | piztek | 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 18:55.34 | subx | amd64 = not all things work? |
| 18:55.48 | zrin | how to tell kernel to stop looking for a floppy? ("kernel: floppy0: no floppy controllers found", floppy is built as a module) |
| 18:56.37 | tzfardea | Hey, when I run mplayer/xmms/bzflag I get "Segmentation fault", how can I fix this problem? |
| 18:56.43 | piztek | subx: not sure |
| 18:57.21 | subx | piztek: i was told that not all stuff works in 64-bit |
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| 18:57.30 | Vincent_k | anyone running etch on an thinkpad T23? |
| 18:57.59 | piztek | subx: it was working before |
| 18:58.06 | subx | Vincent_k: www.thinkwiki.org |
| 18:58.14 | piztek | unplugging it for a while shouldn't cause it to stop working |
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| 18:59.58 | Nyle | I love ghosts! |
| 19:00.11 | subx | lol |
| 19:00.15 | Nyle | no more installation crap, install debian, configure it, install packages you need, an ghost the partition |
| 19:00.19 | Nyle | :D |
| 19:00.22 | Nyle | then install on the same hw everywhere |
| 19:00.23 | Nyle | its great |
| 19:00.39 | subx | Nyle: great but boring, installation is fun |
| 19:00.58 | Nyle | time is money |
| 19:00.59 | Nyle | :) |
| 19:01.33 | subx | as soon as i get my net connection back im going to download the full DVD etch set |
| 19:01.42 | subx | i think there are 3x DVDs |
| 19:01.48 | JeremyK | why? :P |
| 19:02.02 | subx | because the net-install i tried last time took ages |
| 19:02.16 | subx | plus id like hard copies incase |
| 19:02.20 | JeremyK | *shrugs* |
| 19:02.26 | JeremyK | you'd end up downloading more, i bet |
| 19:02.33 | JeremyK | cuz you're downloading a bunch of packages you probably don't need. |
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| 19:02.55 | beatnik | how can i set my kernelpath, i'm on debian etch |
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| 19:03.51 | subx | beatnik: why do u need to set a kernel path? are u compiling your own kernel? |
| 19:04.04 | beatnik | no i'm just compiling madwifi |
| 19:04.14 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 19:04.14 | dpkg | somebody said madwifi-install was ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
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| 19:05.53 | alexIdoia | is there a way to get the status of the cd drive, wether a cd is mounted, or wheter the tray is close with no disk and wether the tray is open |
| 19:06.30 | dondelelcaro | alexIdoia: the first you can get from /proc/mounts, the other two aren't so easy to find out |
| 19:06.34 | piztek | abrotman: could you help? |
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| 19:06.55 | abrotman | with who ? |
| 19:07.07 | alexIdoia | dondelelcaro: yes that the other two that I actually need :) |
| 19:07.07 | piztek | me |
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| 19:07.20 | piztek | sata backup drive not mounting on boot |
| 19:07.29 | abrotman | why not ? |
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| 19:07.50 | piztek | /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off (initramfs) |
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| 19:08.00 | piztek | that is the error and prompt i'm left with |
| 19:08.05 | abrotman | that sounds a bit more serious than 'i can't mount the drive' |
| 19:08.12 | wols | abrotman: it is |
| 19:08.29 | wols | piztek: what makes you think that the not being able to mount a backup drive causes this? |
| 19:08.42 | piztek | because that's about the time it occurs |
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| 19:09.16 | wols | you do know that all your disks are mounted at the same time when they are mentioned in fstab right? |
| 19:09.37 | wols | so what makes you think it's that drive? |
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| 19:11.48 | summer | Hello! I need help with SynCE. Cant assign IP adress to PDA with rndis :( And odccm daemon can see my device but i can't connect :( |
| 19:11.52 | blizzow | What package should I install to have USB storage units automagically mounted? |
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| 19:12.33 | abrotman | gnome-volume-manager if using gnome .. or maybe ivman |
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| 19:13.39 | blizzow | no gnome or kde for me. |
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| 19:14.38 | chops | blizzow: Tried apt-cache search automount? |
| 19:14.41 | beatnik | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 19:14.41 | beatnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.48 | beatnik | how can i install that |
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| 19:15.16 | abrotman | aptitude update first |
| 19:15.33 | beatnik | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 19:15.34 | beatnik | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 19:15.34 | beatnik | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
| 19:15.34 | beatnik | or been moved out of Incoming. |
| 19:15.34 | beatnik | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 19:15.34 | beatnik | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
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| 19:16.03 | beatnik | sorry |
| 19:16.08 | beatnik | what can i do |
| 19:16.15 | beatnik | i'm trying to install madwifi |
| 19:16.15 | lucas__ | hi, i've got a little problem while setting up geant4. it tells me that i need "OpenGLXM", but i don't know where to find that. is there any package? |
| 19:16.19 | zrin | is there a way to make 3ware raid stay sda no matter if there are other (usb, sata) drives connected? using /dev/disk/by-whatever did not help me |
| 19:16.42 | fireba11 | OT: can someone tell me a good url for a mainboard comparison ? it's hard to find one wiht the features i want it seems |
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| 19:17.32 | beatnik | !install madwifi |
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| 19:17.51 | beatnik | !install mad-wifi |
| 19:18.03 | beatnik | why doesnt it work |
| 19:18.32 | zrin | scroll back |
| 19:18.51 | beatnik | i lost |
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| 19:19.03 | tzfardea | Hey, when I run mplayer/xmms/bzflag I get "Segmentation fault", how can I fix this problem? |
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| 19:19.17 | urv | beatnik: < abrotman> aptitude update first |
| 19:19.34 | abrotman | i'm invisible! |
| 19:19.58 | wols | fireba11: #hardware |
| 19:20.11 | wols | !madwifi |
| 19:20.11 | dpkg | it has been said that madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. |
| 19:20.28 | beatnik | i did apt-get update |
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| 19:20.57 | wols | madwifi is not in main |
| 19:21.02 | beatnik | Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to â–’ |
| 19:21.02 | beatnik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:21.15 | wols | beatnik: and stop pasting to channel damnit! |
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| 19:21.43 | beatnik | ok |
| 19:22.08 | Nyle | haduken |
| 19:22.23 | karsten | abrotman: What? I can't hear you. |
| 19:22.43 | wols | karsten: who are you talking to again? talking to invisiblem makes the nice men come back |
| 19:22.56 | beatnik | just want to know how i install apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 19:22.58 | wols | and this time we won't fetch you and sign the release papers... |
| 19:23.16 | wols | beatnik: m-a prepare |
| 19:23.23 | beatnik | it doesnt work |
| 19:23.29 | wols | Doesn't work |
| 19:23.33 | wols | !Doesn't work |
| 19:23.34 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 19:24.05 | beatnik | i can't paste the error message |
| 19:24.13 | beatnik | you said |
| 19:24.43 | beatnik | i guess i need to add something source.list |
| 19:24.45 | beatnik | but what |
| 19:24.52 | karsten | !tell beatnik about enter |
| 19:25.11 | assasukasse | hi, is there anyone that uses openvpn? |
| 19:25.11 | karsten | What's the "find a factoid with *pattern* keyword again? I'm brainfarting. |
| 19:25.18 | karsten | !anyone |
| 19:25.18 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:25.41 | beatnik | ananın amına girsin |
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| 19:25.55 | assasukasse | ok, i have a problem in config openvpn |
| 19:25.58 | assasukasse | server is up |
| 19:26.01 | karsten | beatnik: English too, while you're at it. |
| 19:26.12 | assasukasse | but client can't exchange TSL key |
| 19:26.40 | karsten | assasukasse: Usual debug steps: go verbose on both client and server side. Run wireshark to watch the network traffic. |
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| 19:26.45 | beatnik | !tell beatnik english |
| 19:26.54 | karsten | beatnik: /msg the bots please. |
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| 19:27.03 | Nyle | ahh boy |
| 19:27.05 | Nyle | the boss left |
| 19:27.14 | Nyle | I am free to goof off the rest of the day |
| 19:27.23 | assasukasse | karsten: did, client, seems can't see the server, but can traceroute and ping it..and i dunno why..i am not at the terminal now, i will run wireshark tomorrow |
| 19:27.24 | karsten | Nyle: Where do you work ? ;-) |
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| 19:27.58 | Nyle | karsten: I manage 3 locations of a PC Tech store, and I do the web developing projects and contracts here |
| 19:28.07 | shwouchk | can two dhcp servers sit on the same subnet? (one just serving bootup) |
| 19:28.11 | alvin_lee | Hi. I have a voodoo banshee but when i try to install libgl1-mesa-glide3 it revome a lot of xorg packages. Anybody can helpme? |
| 19:28.18 | Nyle | before that I used to code .net for an oil company freelance while working for dell |
| 19:28.22 | Nyle | dell sucks ballsacks |
| 19:28.24 | urv | ls |
| 19:28.34 | karsten | shwouchk: Sure, if you don't mind clobbering your DHCP leases. |
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| 19:28.51 | shwouchk | karsten: err |
| 19:29.15 | karsten | shwouchk: In other words: not advised. It can be done with *very* careful configuration (dedicated MAC assignments, etc.) but in general indicates an exceptionally poorly thought-out network architecture. |
| 19:29.18 | shwouchk | karsten: Im not sure as to the exact meaning of 'clobbering' |
| 19:29.19 | wols | !tell beatnik about paste |
| 19:29.20 | Guiwald | ++ |
| 19:29.25 | wols | !topicsmite beatnik |
| 19:29.25 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon beatnik. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 19:29.32 | karsten | shwouchk: Oddly enough, I don't feel like a dictionary. |
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| 19:29.57 | shwouchk | karsten: well, its just temporary.. to install deb to one machine |
| 19:30.04 | shwouchk | karsten: Ill skip it though |
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| 19:30.47 | cqnqrd | hi |
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| 19:31.08 | shwouchk | hi |
| 19:31.10 | cqnqrd | somebody can help me in private for configure my 2 sound cards plz (allready installed, just must to configuring it) |
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| 19:32.04 | beatnik | i finally did it |
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| 19:33.27 | frog_ | is it normal, that i have no /etc/modules.d ? |
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| 19:40.06 | alvin_lee | Hi. I have a voodoo banshee but when i try to install libgl1-mesa-glide3 it revome 95 xorg packages. Anybody can helpme? please!! :~ |
| 19:40.17 | piztek | okay i'm back |
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| 19:40.31 | piztek | abrotman: what did you recommend I do t fix this drive? |
| 19:40.34 | piztek | wols? |
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| 19:41.14 | wols | piztek: your drive has nothing to do with your problem |
| 19:41.23 | apk | Calling `ls *.txt` and `ls bar.txt foo.txt' are exactly the same as far as ls is concerned, right? (Assuming bar.txt and foo.txt are the only .txt files in the directory) |
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| 19:41.35 | piztek | then i bet it's that raid setting in bios |
| 19:41.37 | wols | heck, what you told us isn't even the problem |
| 19:41.40 | piztek | well what is the problem related to |
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| 19:41.56 | piztek | then why does it only happen when the drive is plugged in |
| 19:42.03 | wols | your kernel unable to boot normally. which throws you back to busybox which issues a warning/error of its own |
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| 19:42.09 | wols | there are errors/messages before that |
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| 19:42.36 | piztek | yes but they only occur when that drive is plugged in |
| 19:43.04 | wols | unless you tell us the proper error, what are we supposed to do? use our crystal balls? |
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| 19:43.29 | piztek | wols you're right that i'm getting thrown to busy box |
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| 19:43.53 | piztek | but i don't know my error |
| 19:44.12 | wols | then we don't know any possible solution |
| 19:44.17 | xst | In a shell script I need to store the output of a command into a variable. Also I need to check the exit status. How can I do that? |
| 19:44.18 | wols | nice how it works all out eh? |
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| 19:47.45 | piztek | i'll check the error messages, brb |
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| 19:51.27 | chops | xst: OUTPUT=`command` && EXITSTATUS=$? |
| 19:51.44 | chops | xst: Er, I think |
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| 19:53.29 | dutchguy | I need to forward all incoming connections on port 80 to port 800 (transproxy) but to do that I need iptables which does not work (correctly) |
| 19:53.56 | abrotman | karsten: ? |
| 19:54.03 | dutchguy | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -j REDIRECT --to-port 800 |
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| 19:54.13 | dutchguy | "No chain/target/match by that name" |
| 19:54.19 | dutchguy | I don't know much about iptables |
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| 19:56.33 | chronos | someone can help me with this error on starting apache 1.3 on old debian: Starting web server: apacheCannot find module (IPFWCHAINS-MIB): At line 0 in (none) |
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| 19:57.13 | dkr | dutchguy: you forgot to specify that that rule shoul dbe applied to packets destined for port 80 |
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| 19:57.52 | piztek | wols: are you still here |
| 19:57.55 | dkr | chronos: look for the apache error log, probably will give you a more clear message |
| 19:58.08 | piztek | abrotman: ? |
| 19:58.19 | abrotman | piztek: ! |
| 19:58.22 | piztek | yay! |
| 19:58.27 | abrotman | yay what? |
| 19:58.30 | piztek | well i looked back at the errors |
| 19:58.31 | abrotman | i'm not in a coma? |
| 19:58.33 | piztek | yay you are here |
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| 19:59.50 | piztek | well i looked at the errors and it starts with "begin: running /scripts/init_bottom... mount: mounting /root/dev... no such file or directory, then it jumps to, target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init" |
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| 20:00.23 | dutchguy | dkr: "no chain/target/match by that name" |
| 20:00.30 | dutchguy | after adding --dport 80 |
| 20:00.34 | abrotman | piztek: have you tried taking out the backup drive yet ? |
| 20:00.53 | piztek | yes, and the computer boots fine |
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| 20:02.07 | piztek | but i really want to access this drive |
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| 20:03.32 | abrotman | thought about trying a different SATA socket ? |
| 20:03.47 | dkr | dutchguy: maybe you don't have the redirect module... not sure |
| 20:05.28 | piztek | abrotman: i got errors last time i tried that |
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| 20:05.53 | abrotman | piztek: you could .. erm .. if the controller supports it .. plug it in after the system has booted |
| 20:05.56 | piztek | can i just unmount it and remove the auto mount from fstab and then remount it? |
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| 20:07.01 | Zta | apt-get install mozilla-mplayer ... Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/iceweasel/iceweasel_2.0.0.3-1_i386.deb MD5Sum mismatch |
| 20:07.05 | Zta | What to do? |
| 20:07.12 | piztek | some guy on the ubuntu forums said that it was a change made to his grub menu.lst because of an update |
| 20:07.26 | Zta | running etch |
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| 20:08.38 | jair | guys this a general question about vstpd configuration in debian etch. |
| 20:08.45 | urv | Zta: did you "aptitude update" before? |
| 20:08.53 | Zta | urv, jup |
| 20:09.42 | piztek | does anyone know how to roll back to grub from lilo |
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| 20:10.35 | Zta | I hate when the package system starts to rot |
| 20:10.49 | Zta | It always seems to do so for me after a few years |
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| 20:11.24 | Zta | Then I have to reinstall =\ |
| 20:12.06 | jair | I have couple of options configuring the ftp server: anon_root=dir i want, anonymous_enable=YES, local_enable=NO anon_upload_enable=YES anon_mkdir_write_enable=YES but if I ftp froma client machine, I got the error that "anonymous can't write to the directory" |
| 20:12.35 | Zta | jair, well.. can he? |
| 20:12.41 | jair | I wonder if I have to change the permitions of the directory where I have the "anon_root" |
| 20:12.51 | Zta | I most likely do |
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| 20:13.21 | jair | Zta: I am telling that anonymous can and yes I want anonymous because this is an internal ftp server only for internal use :) |
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| 20:13.56 | pablo_ | hi, i am on a live cd, how can i mount my hd (it has ext3 partitions) |
| 20:13.57 | piztek | what is the gnome search tool |
| 20:14.03 | abrotman | nautilus |
| 20:14.04 | abrotman | beagle |
| 20:14.42 | Zta | jair, the ftp server still needs to have write access to the directory |
| 20:15.03 | ricky | pablo_: mount /dev/device mountpoint |
| 20:15.14 | Zta | jair, try making a directory named "incoming" in your ftp dir and set chmod 777 on it |
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| 20:16.21 | alexIdoia | I have been trying to get some answer out out of google but I can't find what I want, I would to retrieve the status of the CD drive, how would you do |
| 20:16.40 | abrotman | that it has a CD or not ? |
| 20:16.48 | Zta | ricky, it's fine for debugging permission problems |
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| 20:17.05 | karsten | Zta: jair: setting that to 773 would be recommended. |
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| 20:17.17 | anhhna | hola |
| 20:17.20 | anhhna | alguien habla español? |
| 20:17.26 | abrotman | !es |
| 20:17.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:17.27 | ricky | Zta: How about letting the FTP user own the directory (with saner permissions) instead? |
| 20:17.32 | ricky | !es |
| 20:17.33 | karsten | Zta: jair: That gives ability to write to a shared incoming directory but not read others' files. |
| 20:17.40 | abrotman | alexIdoia: try cdinfo .. in the cdtool package |
| 20:17.54 | Zta | ricky, I would eventually, but right now we're debugging. I don't know his ftp servers user. |
| 20:18.09 | ricky | Wow, dpkg is smart about multiple !es. |
| 20:18.21 | karsten | ricky: Multiple any factoid. |
| 20:18.26 | anhhna | ahhh |
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| 20:19.00 | pablo_ | ricky: done, thanks |
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| 20:19.06 | Zta | karsten, thanks I'll make a note of that. |
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| 20:20.21 | [GABRI] | hi people anyone have jailkit for chrooted users? |
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| 20:20.31 | Zta | jair, well? |
| 20:20.32 | ricky | karsten: Cool- what type of bot is dpkg? |
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| 20:21.09 | vin` | dpkg: what are you? |
| 20:21.09 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 20:21.11 | abrotman | !tell ricky about blootbot |
| 20:22.01 | karsten | ricky: bootbot |
| 20:22.13 | Zta | How do I get around this checksum erros I get when installing mozilla-mplayer ? |
| 20:22.27 | karsten | Zta: In general, using aononftp for filedrops should be avoided, but there's times when it's usefu;l/necessary. |
| 20:22.36 | alexIdoia | abrotman: yeah well cdinfo reports wheter a cd is mounted or not, but not if the tray is open or close, hum I guess this is not possible |
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| 20:22.45 | ricky | karsten: Aha- cool. |
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| 20:22.53 | x_link | Damn it |
| 20:22.57 | piztek | abrotman: |
| 20:23.04 | piztek | it booted with it in a different slot |
| 20:23.16 | x_link | I just rebooted my computer, then KDE loaded but I didn't get any GUI. |
| 20:23.25 | ricky | (Yay Perl) |
| 20:23.32 | x_link | So I did an recover with Acronis on a backup file. |
| 20:23.46 | x_link | So I got back to normal. I updated and upgraded. |
| 20:23.52 | abrotman | alexIdoia: maybe 'eject' can tell you ? |
| 20:23.53 | x_link | Now when I reboot I come to CLI again. |
| 20:23.57 | x_link | Can somebody please help me? |
| 20:24.03 | alexIdoia | abrotman: nit AFAIK |
| 20:24.04 | wols | x_link: /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 20:24.06 | alexIdoia | not* |
| 20:24.17 | x_link | wols: I use kdm. But it doesn't matter. I tried that. |
| 20:24.23 | piztek | wols: could you help me remount my drive |
| 20:24.23 | x_link | wols: KDE is running. |
| 20:24.25 | wols | then check your X logs |
| 20:24.32 | x_link | I don't know how to do that from CLI. |
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| 20:24.38 | x_link | wols: I'm in CLI right now. |
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| 20:24.49 | wols | piztek: could you stop posing meta questions and ask the whole channel? |
| 20:25.04 | sohmestra | x_link: /var/log/Xorg.log |
| 20:25.11 | wols | !tell x_link abot refcard |
| 20:25.19 | urv | alexIdoia: why not just "dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/dev/null bs=512 count=1" and check the return value? |
| 20:25.20 | wols | !tell x-link abot refcard |
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| 20:25.32 | wols | x_link: at your LAST problem you promised to read docs. did you lie to us? |
| 20:25.47 | x_link | No. |
| 20:25.49 | Zta | karsten, Actually I need to setup an ftp server any time soon so a friend of mine can drop some files. Which one do you recommend? I need something light and easy since I'm going to pull it down right afterwards. |
| 20:25.53 | x_link | But I haven't come that far yet. |
| 20:25.58 | alexIdoia | urv: that is either there is a cd in it or not but not if the tray is open or close |
| 20:26.03 | sohmestra | Zta: vsftp is nice. |
| 20:26.23 | karsten | Zta: wuftpd seems to be the general suggestion. I'm really not the guy to ask. |
| 20:26.24 | urv | alexIdoia: you want to check wheter tray is open or not? |
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| 20:26.25 | wols | Zta: ssh |
| 20:26.34 | Zta | wols, f t p |
| 20:26.38 | piztek | sorry |
| 20:26.46 | alexIdoia | urv: yes |
| 20:26.47 | wols | !ftp must die |
| 20:26.48 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
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| 20:27.02 | Zta | sohmestra, thanks I'll check it out |
| 20:27.11 | piztek | i'll stop taking the simple route and i'll look it up |
| 20:27.12 | Zta | karsten, That was the one I was thinking of |
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| 20:27.38 | wols | karsten: please don't tell people to use wu-ftpd. it's in the holy trinity of crappy software :) |
| 20:27.55 | alexIdoia | urv: that is not possible is it ? |
| 20:27.59 | karsten | wols: OK. I said I'm not the one to ask. |
| 20:28.02 | karsten | !wu-ftpd |
| 20:28.02 | dpkg | wu-ftpd is, like, the "standard" ftpd for major installations, like wuarchive.wustl.edu (of course), cdrom.com, and metalab.unc.edu. Very configurable and powerful, just be sure you're ready with the security updates in your sources.list. Putting the "WOO" in "WEMOTE WOOT". |
| 20:28.05 | wols | depending on usage: vsftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd |
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| 20:28.21 | urv | alexIdoia: i have no idea sorry - maybe it is |
| 20:28.34 | karsten | dpkg: wu-ftpd is also per wols, in the holy trinity of crappy software. See vsftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd instead. |
| 20:28.34 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 20:28.39 | karsten | !wu-ftpd |
| 20:28.39 | dpkg | methinks wu-ftpd is the "standard" ftpd for major installations, like wuarchive.wustl.edu (of course), cdrom.com, and metalab.unc.edu. Very configurable and powerful, just be sure you're ready with the security updates in your sources.list. Putting the "WOO" in "WEMOTE WOOT". per wols, in the holy trinity of crappy software. See vsftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd instead. |
| 20:28.43 | karsten | wols: Happier? |
| 20:28.57 | wols | much |
| 20:29.01 | wols | it's kinda like people telling to use sendmail :) |
| 20:29.07 | Nurbs | wols: what are the others? sendmail and bind? |
| 20:29.14 | wols | Nurbs: yes :) |
| 20:29.28 | Nurbs | even though those have gotten better, somewhere during the last 20 years ;) |
| 20:29.28 | x_link | sohmestra: /var/log/Xorg.log "No such file or directory" |
| 20:29.46 | x_link | sohmestra: I tried cd, cat, less but nothing works. |
| 20:29.51 | wols | Nurbs: even windows has gotten better. is that a reason to use it? *g* |
| 20:29.55 | vin` | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:30.02 | sohmestra | x_link: sorry, /var/log/Xorg.*.log |
| 20:30.09 | wols | x_link: then maybe look into that dir. it's pretty damn obvious which file it is |
| 20:30.10 | Nurbs | wols: nowadays phpFOO seems to be way more popular for crap |
| 20:30.26 | wols | Nurbs: php is the moden crappy software thing :) |
| 20:30.33 | wols | *modern |
| 20:30.39 | alexIdoia | ok and an esay way to find if a cd is mounted ? |
| 20:30.45 | x_link | vin`: Thanks |
| 20:30.49 | x_link | sohmestra: Np. thanks =) |
| 20:31.18 | shwouchk | yo |
| 20:31.39 | shwouchk | I got a HDD on which I want debian to get installed |
| 20:31.39 | x_link | I see an error, Failed to load nVIDIA kernel. |
| 20:31.43 | shwouchk | connected |
| 20:32.00 | shwouchk | grr |
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| 20:32.26 | joefsoD | Do debian develoopers have life? |
| 20:32.26 | Gm4n | if my freshly installed debian system (etch) has 3 disks, one for boot and two for a level-1 raid.... do I have to fdisk the two non-boot disks before putting them into a raid with mdadm, or do I use mdadm first? |
| 20:32.37 | x_link | I found my problem =) |
| 20:32.39 | joefsoD | apt tell us about life |
| 20:32.44 | shwouchk | I got a HDD which belongs to another computer on which I want debian to get installed, connected to this. is there a relatively simple way to install debian to it? |
| 20:32.50 | valdyn | Gm4n: whatever you want |
| 20:32.52 | x_link | wols: When I did sudo aptitude dist-upgrade it upgraded my kernel. |
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| 20:32.59 | x_link | I just saw that when I did "uname -r" |
| 20:32.59 | amphi | joefsoD: life is a simple cellular automaton rule |
| 20:33.03 | [GABRI] | anyone have jailkit? |
| 20:33.04 | Gm4n | ok, thanks valdyn =) |
| 20:33.12 | wols | !tell [GABRI] about search |
| 20:33.16 | wols | !nickometer [GABRI] |
| 20:33.17 | x_link | I don't have 2.6.18-4-k7 anymore, I have 2-6-21-2-k7 |
| 20:33.22 | joefsoD | amphi, perhaps I'm using my computer to much ... |
| 20:33.24 | joefsoD | :S |
| 20:33.25 | dpkg | '[GABRI]' is 97.530% lame, wols |
| 20:33.31 | wols | [GABRI]: work harder |
| 20:33.38 | amphi | joefsoD: too much for what? |
| 20:33.52 | shwouchk | !nickometer shwouchk |
| 20:33.54 | dpkg | 'shwouchk' is 0.000% lame, shwouchk |
| 20:34.00 | shwouchk | :) |
| 20:34.03 | wols | !tell shwouchk about selftell |
| 20:34.04 | urv | alexIdoia: check /proc/mounts |
| 20:34.12 | valdyn | Gm4n: in other words: you can build raids from partitions or complete disks, any block device |
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| 20:34.59 | Gm4n | I'm using complete disks =) |
| 20:35.25 | Gm4n | it's for backup purposes, so I'm thinking raid them, do a fdisk, make one partition, and mount that on /backup |
| 20:35.28 | Gm4n | seem reasonable? |
| 20:35.44 | valdyn | Gm4n: that works |
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| 20:35.56 | valdyn | Gm4n: you just might want to look into lvm too |
| 20:36.06 | Gm4n | uhoh, never heard of it... |
| 20:36.18 | mrfan | Hi, I've tried to install and configure cpufreq, I've also recompiled the kernel different times successfully, but I've this problem http://rafb.net/p/1kTJ1h41.html |
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| 20:36.58 | beatnik | how can i read/write my ntfs partitions |
| 20:36.59 | pickcoder | lvm is nice |
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| 20:37.14 | shwouchk | I got a HDD which belongs to another computer on which I want debian to get installed, connected to this. is there a relatively simple way to install debian to it? |
| 20:37.14 | pickcoder | no more partition and mount point musical chairs to increase storage space |
| 20:37.38 | valdyn | !lvm |
| 20:37.38 | dpkg | hmm... lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 20:37.47 | dondelelcaro | shwouchk: you could just boot off of the install cd and install Debian directly to it |
| 20:38.03 | wols | shwouchk: plug it in (at the same place as it will be in the new PC from the BIOS boot POV), install debian. put it in the target comp |
| 20:38.21 | wols | shwouchk: remove all other hdds on the install comp |
| 20:38.22 | shwouchk | dondelelcaro: holy shit, how did I not think of that?!? :D (seriously) |
| 20:38.24 | dondelelcaro | shwouchk: alternatively, you could use debootstrap/cdebootstrap, install additional packages and grub manually, and go from there |
| 20:39.00 | shwouchk | hmm |
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| 20:39.03 | shwouchk | one thing though |
| 20:39.33 | shwouchk | will debian automagically recognize the new environment well enough to boot and work correctly in it? |
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| 20:40.17 | shwouchk | I might also mention that the HDD is connected via an IDE-USB box... that won't cause problems wih the install, will it? |
| 20:40.27 | Nyle | !ig |
| 20:40.28 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 20:40.40 | Nyle | all installation methods are documented |
| 20:40.46 | shwouchk | ok |
| 20:41.07 | Nyle | read it, then come back with specific questions |
| 20:41.14 | dondelelcaro | shwouchk: it should, yes. |
| 20:41.17 | beatnik | how can i upgrade my kernel? |
| 20:41.18 | shwouchk | cool |
| 20:41.30 | shwouchk | thanks |
| 20:41.30 | Nyle | beatnik: install a new kernel image |
| 20:41.30 | wols | beatnik: to what and why? |
| 20:41.35 | dondelelcaro | shwouchk: you may have to fix the fstab if it gets it wrong, but that's about the only complicatoin |
| 20:41.45 | shwouchk | btw, is cdebootstrap the same as debootstrap but in C? |
| 20:41.46 | wols | dondelelcaro: bootloader too |
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| 20:41.56 | beatnik | for ntfs-3g |
| 20:42.15 | [GABRI] | hi people i installed jailkit and confgured it but when i try logger into a machine y have this error |
| 20:42.15 | [GABRI] | Jul 11 23:31:42 elputojefe sshd[11698]: (pam_unix) session opened for user yuyumalo by (uid=0) |
| 20:42.16 | [GABRI] | Jul 11 23:31:42 elputojefe jk_chrootsh[11699]: now entering jail /home/jail for user yuyumalo (1002) |
| 20:42.16 | [GABRI] | Jul 11 23:31:42 elputojefe sshd[11698]: (pam_unix) session closed for user yuyumalo |
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| 20:43.27 | shwouchk | dondelelcaro: ah, great.. thanks |
| 20:43.54 | subx | [GABRI]: did u use 'makejail' |
| 20:44.04 | wols | beatnik: debian already has ntfs-3g. why do you need a different kernel? |
| 20:44.15 | Zta | dpkg -i iceweasel_2.0.0.3-1_i386.deb ... Unpacking iceweasel (from iceweasel_2.0.0.3-1_i386.deb) ... dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 20:44.21 | Zta | what the hell is going on? |
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| 20:44.42 | wols | !tell Zta about bat |
| 20:44.43 | Danielss89 | hmm this is weird: |
| 20:44.43 | Danielss89 | Mem: 1693768k total, 1684512k used, 9256k free, 146880k buffers |
| 20:44.44 | Danielss89 | Swap: 2192832k total, 48k used, 2192784k free, 1292572k cached |
| 20:44.52 | Danielss89 | why is all the memory used? |
| 20:44.58 | beatnik | wols: i can't read or write my ntfs partitions |
| 20:44.59 | wols | yes it's weird that all people paste in channel. I simply call them "morons" |
| 20:45.08 | subx | lol |
| 20:45.17 | wols | Danielss89: cause you paid for all of it so it better all be used |
| 20:45.21 | wols | !free memory |
| 20:45.21 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 20:45.21 | chops | Danielss89: If you don't want your memory to be used, take it out of your computer and put it on the desk next to the case. |
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| 20:45.42 | wols | beatnik: so? then install ntfs-3g |
| 20:46.05 | shwouchk | btw, do debian stock kernels support lvm? |
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| 20:46.10 | chops | shwouchk: Yes |
| 20:46.11 | wols | shwouchk: yes |
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| 20:46.31 | beatnik | i did but when i try to mount hda1 it says Deficient Linux kernel detected. |
| 20:46.33 | subx | wols: can u recommend any hard copy linux pocket guide what covers admin stuff? |
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| 20:46.46 | [GABRI] | mm subx do you have any howto for debian with makejail? |
| 20:46.46 | jelly-home | how do I make hal (or whatever does the automounting of hotplug devices) use ntfs-3g to mount ntfs (on a usb disk)? |
| 20:46.49 | wols | subx: print out what google tells you? |
| 20:46.57 | wols | subx: maybe oreilly has something |
| 20:47.01 | wols | beatnik: uname -a |
| 20:47.04 | joefsoD | what is the purpose of life? |
| 20:47.14 | jelly-home | joefsoD: beer! |
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| 20:47.17 | subx | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html <--[GABRI] |
| 20:47.19 | shwouchk | cool, thanks |
| 20:47.24 | wols | joefsoD: do you have a debian question/problem? |
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| 20:47.31 | joefsoD | wols, yes |
| 20:47.40 | wols | joefsoD: which is? |
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| 20:47.42 | beatnik | wols: Linux debian 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:47.51 | joefsoD | wols, what is the purpose of life? |
| 20:47.54 | wols | beatnik: that one supports ntfs and ntfs-3g |
| 20:48.00 | subx | o_0 |
| 20:48.09 | wols | dondelelcaro: can you please tell joefsoD stay on topic? |
| 20:48.25 | beatnik | wols: i can't understand. my mount command is mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 -o umask=0,nls=utf8 |
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| 20:48.38 | wols | beatnik: FUSE loaded? |
| 20:48.48 | joefsoD | wols, could you give me a answer? |
| 20:48.55 | Gm4n | valdyn: does etch have LVM support compiled into the kernel by default? |
| 20:49.04 | wols | joefsoD: yes. it is NOT to troll #debian |
| 20:49.10 | wols | Gm4n: yes |
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| 20:49.13 | valdyn | Gm4n: no |
| 20:49.20 | joefsoD | wols, what is troll? |
| 20:49.22 | Zta | Ah great. Now I'm in a deadend. I removed firefox in order to resolve a conflict with iceweasel, and how I can't get firefox installed again. |
| 20:49.22 | wols | valdyn: why not? you can install with lvm |
| 20:49.31 | beatnik | wols: oops no, which package i need to install? |
| 20:49.31 | valdyn | Gm4n: debian kernels have about nothing "compiled in", its in modules |
| 20:49.34 | wols | joefsoD: please stop it or you might be gone soon |
| 20:49.42 | joefsoD | wols, ??? |
| 20:49.47 | jelly-home | beatnik: btw, a simpler way is to run "ntfs-3g /dev/hda1 /media/hda1" |
| 20:49.49 | valdyn | Gm4n: its completely supported, yes |
| 20:49.50 | wols | beatnik: how did you install ntfs-3g? |
| 20:49.55 | Gm4n | awesome |
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| 20:50.00 | beatnik | wols: with synaptic |
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| 20:50.04 | Gm4n | so the question is do I need any of the funcitonality of LVM |
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| 20:50.49 | pickcoder | Gm4n: only you can answer that question. Do you normally find yourself running out of space? |
| 20:50.51 | Gm4n | I think that mdadm is probably sufficient, since this server does not in fact need to be running 24x7 |
| 20:50.52 | valdyn | Gm4n: its a clear case for lvm if you already know how to handle it ( there's no tradeoff - except that you need to learn to manage it ) |
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| 20:51.27 | Gm4n | pickcoder: I'm actually setting up a backup system for my workplace |
| 20:51.39 | ricky | LVM is really convenient- it lets me have a separate /home without worrying about using up too much space. |
| 20:52.08 | narcissist | should i be able to reach my computer running debian via ssh from a fresh install or do i need to install it? |
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| 20:52.18 | CoolCubix | hi there, I have a strange problem, my computer's clock is going noticeably faster than normal time, I think it started four or five (real) hours ago ; I tried to rechange time to the normal value, but it still goes fast. I'm considering rebooting, anyway I wanted to know if someone knows about some bug like this |
| 20:52.18 | johnseb | hello |
| 20:52.30 | johnseb | i'm trying to install the dom inspector for firefox |
| 20:52.32 | pickcoder | Gm4n: lvm gives you resize freedom |
| 20:52.41 | chops | Gm4n: ... also you'll find it harder to use old rescue disks/niche bootloaders/Windows machines/other odd things to manage your filesystems than if you use DOS partitions. Depending on your needs, that may represent a serious consideration. |
| 20:52.45 | beatnik | wols: fuse-utils installed already |
| 20:52.55 | valdyn | CoolCubix: is ntp installed? |
| 20:52.57 | wols | beatnik: lsmod | grep -i fuse |
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| 20:53.13 | johnseb | if i search with synaptic i only find a package for iceweasel and says that firefox will be uninstalled |
| 20:53.22 | Gm4n | I don't need resize freedom, since I have one drive for boot, and two for a raid 1 |
| 20:53.25 | wols | !iceweasel |
| 20:53.25 | dpkg | iceweasel is probably the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 20:53.39 | subx | CoolCubix: install the ntpd |
| 20:53.40 | beatnik | wols: fuse 39828 3 |
| 20:53.49 | CoolCubix | valdyn> yes ; but in the gnome time settings, it says it ain't installed |
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| 20:53.56 | wols | beatnik: then I want the full error message you get with your mount command |
| 20:54.01 | wols | ideally the mount command too |
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| 20:54.09 | CoolCubix | subx> ntpd is running |
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| 20:54.18 | johnseb | wols: does it support all the extensions of firefox? |
| 20:54.19 | beatnik | !paste |
| 20:54.19 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 20:54.27 | subx | CoolCubix: try changing the time servers |
| 20:54.31 | chops | johnseb: It is functionally equivalent to firefox, it's just a different name |
| 20:54.31 | pickcoder | CoolCubix: is ntpd actually hitting a time server, though? |
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| 20:54.38 | johnseb | chops: cool, thx |
| 20:54.43 | valdyn | CoolCubix: pgrep -l ntpd |
| 20:54.44 | wols | johnseb: haven't found one that it didn' |
| 20:54.45 | wols | t |
| 20:54.49 | urv | alexIdoia: do you still need to know how to determine if your cdrom tray is open or not? |
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| 20:55.11 | CoolCubix | valdyn> 2696 ntpd |
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| 20:55.19 | shwouchk | Can I let lvm manage my entire hdd? or do I need boot to be a regular partition? |
| 20:55.19 | soblue | Quick quesiton: Is /etc/environment a normal shell script, or a specially formatted config file? |
| 20:55.19 | tzfardea | Hey, when I run mplayer/xmms/bzflag I get "Segmentation fault", how can I fix this problem? |
| 20:55.21 | CoolCubix | pickcoder> nothing about ntpd in # netstat -tapn |
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| 20:55.28 | beatnik | wols: http://paste.debian.net/32541 |
| 20:55.30 | valdyn | CoolCubix: ntpd is setting your time, it just does it slowly |
| 20:55.33 | pickcoder | CoolCubix: you should set the time manually with date, run hwclock --systohc, and then let ntpd keep up |
| 20:55.41 | chops | tzfardea: Have you installed binary nvidia drivers recently? |
| 20:55.42 | valdyn | CoolCubix: but it cant guess your timezone.. |
| 20:55.51 | tzfardea | chops, yup |
| 20:55.59 | valdyn | CoolCubix: try running tzconfig |
| 20:56.05 | wols | beatnik: so what is your problem? |
| 20:56.06 | chops | tzfardea: Did you use the binary nvidia installer? |
| 20:56.07 | pickcoder | hm |
| 20:56.09 | CoolCubix | valdyn> I'm in France, so GMT+1 (maybe +2 with summer time) |
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| 20:56.16 | wols | beatnik: and what debian versin do you run? |
| 20:56.45 | Nyle | what does etch cd#1 contain? |
| 20:56.48 | valdyn | CoolCubix: set your location, you dont have to worry about daylight savings |
| 20:56.55 | wols | Nyle: the most used packages |
| 20:56.57 | beatnik | wols: debian etch, i want to read/write my ntfs partitions that's my problem |
| 20:57.00 | streuner | Nyle: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 20:57.07 | Nyle | ok |
| 20:57.08 | wols | beatnik: then you can. it will be mounted |
| 20:57.17 | wols | beatnik: warnings != errors |
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| 20:57.27 | tzfardea | chops, I installed it first with the binary nvidia installer but after that I installed it again using this guide http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 20:57.41 | beatnik | wols: there is an error: You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "disks-conf-hda1". |
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| 20:57.55 | chops | tzfardea: Oog |
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| 20:58.05 | CoolCubix | OK, i've just set my timezone |
| 20:58.05 | wols | beatnik: ls -l disks-conf-hda1 |
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| 20:58.20 | shju | Hi, I use fluxbox as a window manager, but when I am under another workspace differnt from amsn program, if someone can say me something, the popup comes in my actual workspaece, it is possible to fix amsn program to a specific workspace? |
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| 20:58.31 | wols | beatnik: and you mounted it on /media/hda1 btw, not "disks-conf-hda1" |
| 20:58.38 | soblue | I'm trying to set an environment variable (PYTHONPATH) to a user home subdir, if it exists, when the user logs on. I'm thinking of putting a shell script in /etc/environment to do that, but I don't know if it is processed by bash or not. I don't want to experiment (and possibly break my system), so does anybody know? |
| 20:58.39 | chops | tzfardea: I would guess that your x client libraries have been screwed up by the nvidia installer; you could poke around with debsums and try to uninstall everything that the binary installer installed and see if that fixes it. |
| 20:58.51 | loopdee | hey guys, wondering if anyone has done this before, i upgraded a mac hard drive with hfs+ filesystem to a larger drive. Everything copied ok and boots fine, but does not expand the partition to get the extra space. I have the drive in debian and can mount it, but it will not let me resize larger.. any ideas? |
| 20:58.57 | valdyn | CoolCubix: reboot to "jump" to the correct time. It's unsafe to do so during runtime, so ntp does not do it. |
| 20:59.18 | narcissist | how do i remove apache? apt-get remove apache(2) doesn't find it - it is running though |
| 20:59.21 | wols | loopdee: don't mount it when you resize it |
| 20:59.22 | chops | tzfardea: I would highly recommend doing everything the Debian way (i.e. avoiding nvidia's installer), though, especially if you want us to support you when things go wrong. |
| 20:59.32 | wols | loopdee: and what makes you think debian can resize hfs+? |
| 20:59.38 | valdyn | CoolCubix: ( Though you can actually do it manually ) |
| 20:59.55 | tzfardea | chops, ok thank you, I'll check it |
| 20:59.59 | chops | tzfardea: np |
| 21:00.07 | wols | narcissist: dpkg -l |grep apache. remoave all installed packages |
| 21:00.10 | loopdee | wols: i can mount it but dont when i use qtparted... dunno what makes me think i can, just wondering if anyone has, |
| 21:00.10 | shwouchk | If I go for lvm, do I need to let lvm manage my entire hdd? or do I need /boot to be a regular partition? |
| 21:00.13 | urv | shju: maybe with "devilspie"? |
| 21:00.21 | beatnik | wols: how can i unmount? |
| 21:00.30 | shju | devilspie?? |
| 21:00.40 | urv | shju: apt-cache show devilspie |
| 21:00.41 | wols | beatnik: man umount |
| 21:00.50 | Nyle | oh man |
| 21:00.51 | valdyn | shju: /boot cant be on lvm |
| 21:00.53 | Nyle | I love Bach |
| 21:00.58 | valdyn | shwouchk: /boot cant be on lvm |
| 21:01.04 | CoolCubix | valdyn> OK. Now time is re-set, it still goes faster, I'm probably going to reboot |
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| 21:01.08 | Nyle | 2 hours till i go home |
| 21:01.09 | shwouchk | valdyn: I see |
| 21:01.10 | narcissist | wols: thanks! |
| 21:01.12 | soblue | I've gotta go now. I forgot about an appointment. be back later and ask again, maybe |
| 21:01.22 | valdyn | shwouchk: it doesnt need to be a regular partition either |
| 21:02.00 | shwouchk | valdyn: yeah, but I like it better when it is primary |
| 21:02.26 | CoolCubix | valdyn> hey, it's really strange, "watch hwclock" gives me normal time. However, the gnome applet doesn't |
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| 21:03.36 | shwouchk | valdyn: wait a second, does lvm actually transparently compresses data? |
| 21:03.37 | tzfardea | chops, Can I remove /usr/lib/nvidia and install the driver again? Would it help? |
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| 21:04.03 | pablo_ | hi, what distro does debian uses on its mirrors? it says (unix) |
| 21:04.07 | valdyn | shwouchk: no |
| 21:04.22 | CoolCubix | valdyn> but "watch date", which should update the display every 2 seconds, updates every 2 fast-seconds, which looks more like 1,5 human-seconds |
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| 21:04.37 | wols | pablo_: ask the owner of the mirror(s) |
| 21:04.49 | pablo_ | wols: the oficcial one |
| 21:05.11 | wols | pablo_: you do know that there are tens of mirrors all over the world? |
| 21:05.23 | beatnik | wols: i unmounted disks-conf-hda1, now how would i mount my hda1? |
| 21:05.23 | pablo_ | wols: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 21:05.23 | wols | and that debian is a non profit org without a budget? |
| 21:05.27 | chops | tzfardea: I believe that what's screwing you is client libraries in /usr/lib (maybe libglx, libglut, etc.) being overwritten with binary-incompatible versions |
| 21:05.32 | [GABRI] | [subx] i am installing makejail |
| 21:05.38 | tarzeau | wols: no budget? |
| 21:05.39 | shwouchk | valdyn: aah, cool |
| 21:05.41 | wols | pablo_: ever hear dof netcraft? |
| 21:05.50 | pablo_ | wols: yep |
| 21:05.53 | chops | tzfardea: I don't think that /usr/lib/nvidia can hurt you unless you're using the nvidia binary driver right now (in which case you should ask nvidia for support) |
| 21:05.55 | wols | tarzeau: certainly none for renting servers... |
| 21:06.00 | jair | Zta: all right sorry I was pulled out from my desk |
| 21:06.14 | jair | Zta: I will give write access to the directory :) |
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| 21:07.01 | Gm4n | where would I find my sata drives? (/dev/...?) |
| 21:07.03 | chops | wols: Debian has a budget -- it's just tiny, and the project is moderately well-heeled with generously donated bandwidth :-) |
| 21:07.27 | wols | Gm4n: sd* |
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| 21:08.10 | shwouchk | How much space is required for a basic debian LAMP installation? |
| 21:08.22 | wols | 100-200MB |
| 21:08.37 | pablo_ | wols: thanks |
| 21:08.38 | beatnik | wols: still i have same error which i paste you |
| 21:08.42 | piztek | could anyone help me mount my drive? |
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| 21:08.51 | tarzeau | does someone have movies of birds that drunk alcohol? |
| 21:08.56 | shwouchk | wols: thanks |
| 21:08.58 | wols | beatnik: that is no error. the big FAT "WARNING" should be a hint, even to you |
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| 21:09.20 | wols | beatnik: and I asked you something |
| 21:09.27 | shwouchk | 300mb should cover it then |
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| 21:10.57 | fbred | hey, I have a laptop with debian already installed, but i want to install etch from scratch. it has no cdrom. what whould be the easiest way to start a netinstaller? |
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| 21:11.15 | tarzeau | fbred: netboot it |
| 21:11.16 | fbred | could i get lilo/grub to start a netinstaller for me, for example? |
| 21:11.26 | beatnik | wols: i think it's about permissions |
| 21:11.28 | tarzeau | fbred: go into the bios say pxe/network boot |
| 21:11.28 | Phil4 | you can do it from floppy disks fbred |
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| 21:11.35 | beatnik | wols: hda1 is mounted |
| 21:11.44 | tarzeau | fbred: insert network cable and put a dhcp/tftp server in the same network |
| 21:11.48 | piztek | lsmod -l? |
| 21:11.52 | tarzeau | fbred: it just needs to server d-i and its kernel |
| 21:11.53 | wols | beatnik: I know. but I asked you something. until you can answer: don't bother addressing me anymore please |
| 21:11.55 | easytiger_home | !emacs |
| 21:11.55 | dpkg | emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] |
| 21:11.58 | fbred | tarzeau, ok, i have done that before, but isn't it easier to just make grub do all the stuff? |
| 21:12.07 | tarzeau | fbred: no |
| 21:12.19 | fbred | ok, i'll try, thanks for the help :-) |
| 21:12.33 | piztek | how can I mount this drive? |
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| 21:13.10 | wols | piztek: ask real questions if you want answers. as for your question: man mount |
| 21:13.32 | piztek | how do i locate the drive |
| 21:13.46 | wols | dmesg |
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| 21:13.58 | tarzeau | wols: i use hdparm -Y /dev/thehd to locate the noisy ones :) |
| 21:14.03 | wols | fdisk -l |
| 21:14.10 | wols | tarzeau: :) |
| 21:14.21 | tarzeau | wols: really useful if you have 4 disks, and one is noisy |
| 21:14.23 | beatnik | wols: may you ask again please? |
| 21:14.25 | wols | tarzeau: your answer is WAY better than mine :) |
| 21:14.29 | smacnay | Hi, I am using an app that is going to burn 500 Megs to a cd. My /tmp dir is full and I am wondering how I can flush it out. |
| 21:14.29 | narcissist | is there a command listing all hardware including cpu speed? |
| 21:14.37 | wols | beatnik: have you decided to answer me? |
| 21:14.43 | tarzeau | narcissist: lshw, hwinfo... |
| 21:14.44 | piztek | lol, it's actually mounted! |
| 21:14.48 | xand | H3110 |
| 21:14.49 | piztek | hehe |
| 21:14.53 | piztek | :D |
| 21:14.54 | wols | narcissist: lshw. as for cpuspeed /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:15.01 | piztek | i'm so silly |
| 21:15.20 | wols | Penix: please don't state the obvious and don't use enter as a means of punctuation |
| 21:15.26 | wols | piztek: ^^ |
| 21:15.34 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 21:16.06 | beatnik | wols: i think i didn't see your question, this is my problem and of course i will answer you, sorry |
| 21:16.28 | wols | 22:58 < wols> beatnik: ls -l disks-conf-hda1 |
| 21:16.51 | beatnik | wols: yes i can see hda1 directory tree |
| 21:17.00 | h3sp4wn | fbred: You can get grub to do that - see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s01.html#boot-initrd |
| 21:17.07 | wols | beatnik: learn to read |
| 21:17.08 | smacnay | seems that f-spot has used up all my /tmp mem... and my /tmp dir is only 380 Meg? |
| 21:17.12 | smacnay | Weird. |
| 21:17.24 | fbred | h3sp4wn, thanks :-) |
| 21:17.33 | smacnay | Maybe this is an lvm thing... |
| 21:17.36 | narcissist | wols: cpu temperature included? |
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| 21:17.43 | wols | narcissist: no |
| 21:17.54 | narcissist | how would i see that? just use bios? |
| 21:18.10 | wols | various ways. acpi, lm-sensors, mbmob, etc |
| 21:19.03 | wols | *mbmon |
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| 21:20.28 | tarzeau | narcissist, wols: check these: http://inventory.phys.ethz.ch/stats |
| 21:21.49 | shwouchk | when I run debootstrap, I get this error: E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-/Packages |
| 21:21.53 | shwouchk | what does it mean? |
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| 21:25.00 | simonrvn | means it fucked up. start over or use another mirror |
| 21:25.27 | shwouchk | simonrvn: this happens right away with any mirror I try |
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| 21:26.20 | simonrvn | well for one thing, it's not reading your arch |
| 21:27.06 | simonrvn | see the 'binary-/' ? supposed to be an arch after the hyphen. try passing the arch in your debootstrap flags |
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| 21:27.34 | logd | hi, there's a way to enable full-duplex of the soundcard ? |
| 21:27.36 | simonrvn | man debootstrap |
| 21:27.51 | simonrvn | logd: yeh, if it's capable of it |
| 21:28.19 | shwouchk | simonrvn: I see... Ill try - it was said that the arch is optional but ... |
| 21:28.33 | logd | simonrvn, mine is Sound Blaster® Live!? 24-bit |
| 21:28.53 | simonrvn | yeh, but seems it's not reading it for some odd reason. check the BTS, someone else might have encountered that |
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| 21:29.27 | shwouchk | cool |
| 21:29.42 | Nyle | man ddr2 is CHEAP these days |
| 21:29.47 | simonrvn | logd: i don't know. i'm a geek, not a hardware device library. see the alsa-project.org site, they have info like that, or the manufacturer's site |
| 21:29.47 | Nyle | goddamn |
| 21:29.54 | Nyle | lol |
| 21:30.05 | dondelelcaro | shwouchk: are you running debootstrap on a non-debian architecture? |
| 21:30.07 | shwouchk | heh |
| 21:30.32 | Nyle | simonrvn: quit lyin, you're mshal.dll |
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| 21:30.35 | Nyle | ;) |
| 21:30.54 | piztek | does fstab determine which folder a drive is mounted in/ |
| 21:30.57 | shwouchk | dondelelcaro: yeah, on gentoo - but when I emerged it, it pulled dpkg as a dependency |
| 21:31.05 | Nyle | piztek: not a folder, a mount point |
| 21:31.10 | simonrvn | i'm what? i only get that that's a windoze thing (the .dll gives it away) |
| 21:31.13 | piztek | thank you |
| 21:31.13 | Nyle | piztek: or directory if you will |
| 21:31.14 | dondelelcaro | shogunx: does dpkg-architecture; output sane values? |
| 21:31.33 | Nyle | simonrvn: had.dll the hardware abstraction layer |
| 21:31.39 | piztek | so an edit to fstab, if the mount point exists, will change it on reboot |
| 21:31.49 | dondelelcaro | piztek: right |
| 21:31.52 | piztek | thanks |
| 21:31.56 | piztek | how do i search |
| 21:32.00 | Nyle | piztek: you don't even have to reboot really |
| 21:32.08 | piztek | i know, log out |
| 21:32.11 | Nyle | nope |
| 21:32.14 | Nyle | mount |
| 21:32.15 | simonrvn | nope, just save and remount |
| 21:32.20 | piztek | oh yeah |
| 21:32.29 | piztek | how do i search in terminal |
| 21:32.39 | Nyle | or tack 'auto' as an option in fstab and sudo mount -a |
| 21:32.41 | Nyle | etc. etc. |
| 21:32.46 | simonrvn | this is *nix, not windows ;) |
| 21:32.55 | piztek | and is there a gnome find tool |
| 21:32.56 | Nyle | simonrvn: yeh, but you are a dll |
| 21:33.00 | Nyle | ! |
| 21:33.22 | Nyle | piztek: find, locate |
| 21:33.29 | Nyle | read the manpages |
| 21:33.36 | piztek | is there a gnome search window |
| 21:33.41 | Nyle | probably |
| 21:33.47 | shwouchk | dondelelcaro: yeah, pretty much (besides for the i486 but..) |
| 21:34.04 | wols | simonrvn: being called a dynamic link library is a big insult, right? couldn't you strive to become a .so? |
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| 21:34.22 | Nyle | hey hey |
| 21:34.30 | shwouchk | lol |
| 21:34.37 | Nyle | I don't insult simonrvn :( |
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| 21:34.48 | simonrvn | i'm still trying to think of something catchy to reply to that. i do feel vaguely insulted :P |
| 21:34.54 | Nyle | simonrvn: awe |
| 21:35.20 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 21:35.23 | wols | simonrvn: find someone who ports and recompiles you |
| 21:35.27 | Nyle | lol |
| 21:35.41 | Nyle | I think im gonna go home and go back to debian |
| 21:35.46 | Nyle | kubuntu crashes too much |
| 21:35.59 | Nyle | its pissin me of again |
| 21:36.06 | piztek | the file system is mostly lcase |
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| 21:37.13 | antit | hi |
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| 21:37.30 | Nyle | hi |
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| 21:37.51 | antit | last installer debian bug ? |
| 21:38.09 | wols | antit: english? |
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| 21:38.14 | antit | non |
| 21:38.16 | antit | frech |
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| 21:38.23 | antit | nch |
| 21:38.24 | Nyle | !fr |
| 21:38.24 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:38.31 | antit | arf |
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| 21:38.39 | Nyle | donkeys |
| 21:38.45 | antit | sorry but this chan sux |
| 21:38.47 | Nyle | shred the 3rd |
| 21:38.51 | JordiGH | How can I pass a configure script a pathname that has spaces, e.g. for a prefix? |
| 21:38.53 | Nyle | antit: if you say so |
| 21:38.56 | pablo_ | hi, i want to install a deb in the system i have mounted (on /mnt), how can i do this? |
| 21:38.56 | antit | moderator is idiot |
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| 21:39.06 | JordiGH | I've tried escaping it in every way possible. It's difficult. :-) |
| 21:39.19 | Nyle | pablo_: a deb? sudo dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 21:39.21 | antit | i can explain you my probleme so ? |
| 21:39.45 | pablo_ | Nyle: ok, but how do i tell i have the system on /mnt |
| 21:39.49 | Nyle | pablo_: but what exactly do you mean? |
| 21:39.50 | antit | or u r anti french man |
| 21:39.52 | antit | ? |
| 21:40.02 | Nyle | antit: wtf are you going on about? |
| 21:40.14 | pablo_ | Nyle: i am on a live cd and want to nstall a dev on the hd |
| 21:40.23 | wols | antit: we are anti idiot who comes here and complains... |
| 21:40.29 | piztek | what happened |
| 21:40.30 | Nyle | antit: if you have a debian related problem ask your question in english. if you want to speak in french, please see the above factoid /msg dpkg fr |
| 21:40.30 | wols | antit: and if you don't stop you might be gone soon |
| 21:40.38 | antit | i do i do |
| 21:40.49 | antit | lest my writing it |
| 21:40.53 | wols | pablo_: chroot into it then run dpkg |
| 21:40.56 | piztek | how do i chmod every folder and file on a drive |
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| 21:41.06 | wols | pablo_: man chmod |
| 21:41.12 | antit | i install the last debian testing CD |
| 21:41.22 | Nyle | piztek: as chmod with -R |
| 21:41.28 | pablo_ | wols: how do i chroot |
| 21:41.35 | wols | pablo_: man chroot |
| 21:41.42 | Nyle | !man |
| 21:41.42 | dpkg | [man] a little guy that knows everything about linux... just do man <commandname> and he will teach you all about <commandname>,a Municipal Area Network (city), or check ASD @ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/asd/ |
| 21:41.45 | antit | in "grub install" step grub say : error fatal |
| 21:42.00 | antit | i go to partition step |
| 21:42.09 | antit | i do : go back |
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| 21:42.35 | antit | i try to install lilo > lilo step said me : install grub |
| 21:42.36 | pablo_ | wols: chroot /mnt? |
| 21:42.36 | piztek | how can i make terminal start in "/" instead of "/home/brandon" |
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| 21:42.50 | antit | and grub step said me : partition your disk |
| 21:42.52 | antit | ?????? |
| 21:42.55 | pablo_ | wols: chroot /mnt is ok? |
| 21:43.14 | simonrvn | piztek: which terminal? |
| 21:43.40 | chops | pablo_: find /path/to/the/drive -print0 | sudo xargs -0 chmod 0755 |
| 21:43.45 | dkr | piztek: echo cd / >> ~/.bashrc |
| 21:43.45 | chops | pablo_: Be careful :-) |
| 21:43.51 | antit | what is the probelem of this installer ? |
| 21:44.09 | Nyle | in quotes |
| 21:44.59 | antit | i waiting 30Min for make a 2,2 TB partition |
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| 21:45.07 | wols | antit: are there any partitions? |
| 21:45.13 | piztek | what music players does everyone here use |
| 21:45.16 | antit | and now i need to redo it again |
| 21:45.20 | wols | is /boot inside a lvm? |
| 21:45.25 | tarzeau | piztek: opencubicplayer |
| 21:45.29 | wols | !tell piztek about poll |
| 21:45.33 | Nyle | antit: you have raid? |
| 21:45.37 | antit | yes |
| 21:45.41 | antit | raid 5 |
| 21:45.54 | ssorg | i know this is most likely not a debian issue but i think its a big insult to debian for another os to take the piss like this. http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5289/nowco2.jpg i only used there livecd to install the internet install . can someone please tell me how to fix it if they know |
| 21:46.09 | Nyle | antit: go to tty2 and do chroot /target and grub-install=/dev/blah maybe |
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| 21:46.29 | tarzeau | ssorg: www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse |
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| 21:47.06 | _eXoDuS | Hey, anyone knows if it's possible to use SenderID on a Linux with qmail server? I'm scratching my head over this. |
| 21:47.15 | piztek | what resolution are the boot screens? |
| 21:47.22 | wols | !qmail |
| 21:47.22 | dpkg | i guess qmail is a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it non-free. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. There were no qmail releases since 1998, and a truckload of features and security measures needed for a MTA in use on today's Internet must be patched in by external patches, invalida |
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| 21:47.30 | Nyle | piztek: grub bootscreens? |
| 21:47.33 | ssorg | thank you very much tarzeau |
| 21:47.35 | Greyscale | Does anyone have anything that can change my background every few minuites based on the content of a directory? |
| 21:47.41 | piztek | Nyle: yes, and bios and such |
| 21:47.43 | ssorg | your help is greatly appriciated |
| 21:47.59 | chops | Greyscale: You could put something in your crontab |
| 21:48.42 | _eXoDuS | wols: i guess that's a no but there might be a patch somewhere? |
| 21:48.52 | Greyscale | chops, like? |
| 21:48.55 | Nyle | piztek: compressed xpm.gz, 14 colors, 640x480 |
| 21:48.56 | wols | piztek: 80x25 usually |
| 21:49.11 | piztek | well which one |
| 21:49.17 | wols | _eXoDuS: imho wrong place to ask for qmail questions. we all tell people to use exim4 or postfix |
| 21:49.19 | piztek | pixels |
| 21:49.21 | Nyle | what are you talking about piztek "? |
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| 21:49.25 | wols | piztek: chars |
| 21:49.29 | piztek | the pixel resolution |
| 21:49.37 | piztek | of the screen when it first boots |
| 21:49.37 | _eXoDuS | wols: it's a hosting server, can't do much about it :/ |
| 21:49.40 | grzechu | hi |
| 21:49.46 | Nyle | piztek: you mean grub bootsplash or console resolutions in col/row |
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| 21:49.54 | piztek | grub |
| 21:50.07 | chops | Greyscale: (with blackbox) * 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * cd ~/backgrounds && bsetbg `ls | rl | head -n1` |
| 21:50.08 | wols | exobyte: if you can add shit to the MTA; you have root. so you can do something about it |
| 21:50.25 | Nyle | piztek: compressed xpm.gz, 14 colors, 640x480 |
| 21:50.37 | chops | Greyscale: I don't know what the "set foo to be my background" command is going to be for your window manager, but whatever it is put it in instead of bsetbg |
| 21:50.38 | piztek | cool |
| 21:50.43 | Greyscale | chops, I'm using gnome :/ |
| 21:50.44 | Nyle | http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/grub-images/#1.1 |
| 21:50.51 | _eXoDuS | wols: maybe =] |
| 21:51.10 | piztek | what dvd/cd ripper is good |
| 21:51.18 | chops | Greyscale: k, I'm not sure of a command-line tool to set gnome background, but there must be one (maybe just xsetroot) |
| 21:51.29 | chops | Greyscale: Also you'll need rl |
| 21:51.35 | chops | Greyscale: For that to work |
| 21:51.43 | antit | Nyle, i can go to tty2 |
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| 21:51.59 | antit | i m on CD install |
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| 21:52.15 | ssorg | tarzeau# / it didnt disapear after i done your script |
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| 21:52.18 | ssorg | i am rebooting |
| 21:52.21 | satan | hello |
| 21:52.22 | chops | Greyscale: Or you can do `ls --sort=time --time=atime -r | head -n1` to rotate them in order and be fancy :-) |
| 21:52.39 | piztek | bbl |
| 21:52.45 | Greyscale | I'm lost |
| 21:53.16 | ssorg | yay worked thx tarzeau |
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| 21:53.51 | satan | I just have been working on my first debian package and everythings going well, there's a man page menus pixmaps etc, but in the control file I'm not sure what to put in the "depends" field. The program uses python. How would I know if a certain python-dev package is required? |
| 21:53.52 | chops | Greyscale: Now's your chance to learn about Unix :-). Run the program "crontab -e" to edit your crontab, which allows you to schedule programs for execution at specified times. See 'man 1 crontab'. |
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| 21:54.01 | Greyscale | Oh, I can do crontab |
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| 21:54.12 | Greyscale | I just can't work out how to change my background on the commandline |
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| 21:54.17 | chops | Greyscale: Ah, okay |
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| 21:54.33 | xand | Greyscale: http://chakravyuh.blogspot.com/2005/10/gnome-wallpaper-switcher.html |
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| 21:54.39 | Greyscale | and isn't */5 a more rational timing scheme than 5,10,15,20,etc? |
| 21:54.45 | chops | Greyscale: That I'm not going to help you with. I can figure it out and then tell you, or you can figure it out. You know which one I prefer :-). I don't use gnome. |
| 21:54.45 | shajra_ | is there Debian package for graphical XML Schema viewing? There's a lot of XML editors, but I don't know which ones give Schema info as well. |
| 21:54.46 | soblue | Is it safe to add a custom script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ ? |
| 21:54.56 | chops | Greyscale: Yes, that would be better. |
| 21:55.10 | Greyscale | I was thinking more like * anyway :P |
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| 21:55.48 | xand | Greyscale: gconftool is the program to set it |
| 21:56.34 | soothsayer | !dpatch |
| 21:56.56 | chops | Greyscale: Once per minute? Sure, that would work. |
| 21:57.26 | xand | Greyscale: tis easy... gconftool --set /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename /path/to/file --type string |
| 21:57.59 | Greyscale | I am simple person. |
| 21:58.20 | xand | that command will change it for you... stick it in cron |
| 21:58.30 | Gm4n | well, it seems that my installation of mdadm has forked up my etch system... time to reinstall |
| 21:58.49 | xand | (with a loop or something to go through the pictures) |
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| 22:04.26 | satan | Can anyone help me with my problem? Does anyone know about making debian packages? |
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| 22:05.06 | chops | xand: Replacing /path/to/file with `ls --sort=time --time=atime -r /path/to/pictures/* | head -n1` will loop through the pictures |
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| 22:06.36 | dondelelcaro | satan: any packages that your package requires to be installed to be function must be listed in the Depends: line |
| 22:06.54 | Gm4n | is there any install choice between one partial CD (netinstall) and 21 full CDs? |
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| 22:07.05 | dondelelcaro | satan: so if it's a python module, this means the proper python version, as well as any libraries that your program/module links against |
| 22:07.17 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: yes; you can get as many CDs as you want |
| 22:07.33 | Gm4n | what do you mean by that? |
| 22:07.59 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: you can get 1 CD, 2 CDs, 3 CDs, etc. The packages are roughly ordered by popularity, and additional CDs can be added using apt-cdrom. |
| 22:08.04 | Gm4n | ahhhhh |
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| 22:08.13 | Greyscale_ | gconftool --set /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename /Backgrounds/1184190230045.jpg --type string <-- whats wrong? |
| 22:08.33 | Gm4n | and will it netinstall whatever is missing? |
| 22:08.38 | xand | Greyscale_: is Backgrounds in / ? |
| 22:08.48 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: if you've got a network sources.list line listed, yes. |
| 22:08.49 | satan | How do I know to put "python (>= 2.0)" or "python (>= 2.5)"? What it links against? How do I check this? |
| 22:08.52 | Greyscale_ | it said add / |
| 22:08.54 | Nyle | antit: you can go to tty1-4 on etch cd in text installer or 1-4 + tty5 for gui in gui mode |
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| 22:09.05 | Greyscale_ | regardless, no effect |
| 22:09.08 | xand | Greyscale_: make it an absolute path |
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| 22:09.11 | Greyscale_ | and the file DOES exist |
| 22:09.12 | Greyscale_ | ok. |
| 22:09.25 | Greyscale_ | yay, workness |
| 22:09.29 | xand | chops: how will that not always give the same result? :S |
| 22:09.34 | Greyscale_ | now how can I get it to randomly pick them? |
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| 22:09.55 | xand | Greyscale_: write a perl script or something to pick something randomly. |
| 22:09.57 | chops | xand: Because if it succeeds, then gconftool will read the selected background, updating its atime and bumping it to the back of the list |
| 22:10.03 | Greyscale_ | ack, perl |
| 22:10.06 | Greyscale_ | I don't know perl |
| 22:10.10 | chops | xand: No no no, just use rl if you want random |
| 22:10.19 | dondelelcaro | satan: in the usual case, you call dh_pysupport or dh_pycentral and have Depends: ${python:Depends}, ${shlib:Depends} plus anything else that is required |
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| 22:10.40 | xand | chops: no idea what that is |
| 22:10.40 | dondelelcaro | satan: check out how a popular python module is packaged for more details |
| 22:10.43 | mx-zoom | after compiling a custom kernel, what should I rebuild with modules-assistant? alsa doesn't work, but I have recompiled it for the new kernel |
| 22:10.50 | chops | xand: randomize-lines is the Debian package |
| 22:10.53 | piztek | can i disable ctrl+shift to bypass trash or shift+delete, whichever it is |
| 22:11.00 | antit | Nyle, and i type ? |
| 22:11.04 | Creeture | Hey all. I just upgraded a remote sarge box to etch. everything looks clean. linux-image-2.6-686 installed, udev installed, grub looks good. my network modules are in /etc/modules. I've been bitten before by upgrades that I don't have physical access to. What else am I missing? |
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| 22:11.20 | Creeture | Before I reboot |
| 22:11.22 | satan | dondelelcaro: That's kidna what I did too. ;) I checked though another python package. I'll look through google with this new information. Thank you very much. |
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| 22:11.25 | xand | Greyscale_: anyway... you can actually *see* your wallpaper? :) |
| 22:11.31 | wols | Creeture: fstab entries all right? /dev/sda most probaby) |
| 22:11.37 | wols | grub entries alright? |
| 22:11.40 | Greyscale_ | yeah |
| 22:11.45 | wols | also read the sarge->etch factoid |
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| 22:11.53 | wols | !tell Creeture about sarge->etch |
| 22:12.08 | dondelelcaro | Creeture: that looks fine to me, though you should double check that you've got the old kernel installed, and you probably should also set up fallback so that if the new kernel doesn't come up it can fall back on the old one |
| 22:13.00 | Nyle | antit: alt+f2 for tty2 |
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| 22:13.12 | antit | yes ok but after ? |
| 22:13.13 | Nyle | alt+f1-4 |
| 22:13.24 | Nyle | antit: I don't remember what you were talkin about |
| 22:13.31 | antit | haha |
| 22:13.47 | antit | i install grub |
| 22:13.48 | Creeture | wols: I don't see any reference to a different upgrade procedure other than dist-upgrade. Can you expound? |
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| 22:13.55 | antit | on sda raid 5 |
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| 22:14.11 | Greyscale_ | Creeture, update your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:14.14 | Greyscale_ | then apt-get update |
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| 22:14.21 | Greyscale_ | then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:14.23 | Greyscale_ | and cross fingers |
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| 22:14.48 | Creeture | That "cross fingers" part is the part I'm not gonna do. :) This has to work first shot. |
| 22:14.57 | wols | Creeture: dpkg msged you |
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| 22:15.13 | wols | Creeture: and NO, it's not just dist-upgrade |
| 22:15.30 | Creeture | wols: Yeah, I read everything in there on the ch-upgrading.en.html page |
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| 22:16.43 | doublehp | how to tweak manually the serial port rate ? I need 250kb |
| 22:16.47 | Creeture | aptitude -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade worked, everything is there. aptitude -f install doesn't have any further work to do, fixed all of that. |
| 22:16.48 | aptitude | Creeture: I think you lost me on that one |
| 22:16.53 | techbie | Hello all , how to install package from sid in etch |
| 22:17.43 | piztek | how do i do a case insensitive search? |
| 22:17.51 | piztek | locate i mean |
| 22:17.52 | Creeture | piztek: in what? |
| 22:17.56 | piztek | terminal |
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| 22:18.17 | Creeture | piztek: man locate -- it's on the first line. |
| 22:18.18 | stew | piztek: man locate |
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| 22:18.59 | Blwood | hi all |
| 22:19.02 | Blwood | does anyone managed to install the ipw3945 card (wifi) on lenny ? :o |
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| 22:19.30 | Seeker_ | doublehp: for async serial communication, I don't know if you can reach 250 kb |
| 22:19.33 | themill | Blwood: I've got it working on an etch system |
| 22:20.01 | Iridos | asd |
| 22:20.04 | dondelelcaro | Blwood: it should just be a matter of install firmware, m-a a-i ipw3945; |
| 22:20.22 | doublehp | Seeker_: I am reading man setserial since 3h, and spd_hi/spd_vhi has no effect at all |
| 22:20.38 | stew | and install ipw3945d |
| 22:20.43 | Blwood | dondelelcaro, yes but on the lenny with 2.6.21-2-686 is it the same than on etch ? |
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| 22:21.10 | Seeker_ | doublehp: but did you tried under 125 kb? |
| 22:21.14 | pickcoder | can anyone tell me why specter logs an integer value for the source IP address? |
| 22:21.18 | stew | Blwood: aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d |
| 22:21.35 | themill | Blwood: that kernel works nicely with ipw3945 too |
| 22:21.55 | stew | Blwood: you'll need non-free to get the firmware: /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 22:22.02 | doublehp | Seeker_: man page mentions "38.4kb." but not how to set it ! |
| 22:22.18 | Greyscale_ | duhduhdaaaah |
| 22:22.22 | Blwood | okay, thanks for help I will try, the last time it didn't work :'( |
| 22:22.23 | Greyscale_ | script written in php |
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| 22:22.57 | rob19 | i know debian 4.0 comes with apache, but does it include mysql/php as well out of the box? |
| 22:23.23 | dkr | rob19: debian has 17,000-ish software packages |
| 22:23.32 | stew | rob19: all of them are available, none of them are installed by default |
| 22:23.52 | subx | i want a user to be chrooted into her shell. the chroot works if i execute this as root: /usr/sbin/chroot /home/test /bin/bash how can i execute that root command so a users shell starts up chrooted when i ssh in? |
| 22:23.54 | Seeker_ | doublehp: ok, I don't know |
| 22:24.39 | stew | rob19: "aptitude install mysql-server libapache2-mod-php5" and then running "a2enmod php5" should get you going |
| 22:25.00 | stew | rob19: oh and you'll probably want to install php5-mysql |
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| 22:26.10 | rob19 | stew: thanks, a new server I got with debian etch seemed to have come with apache2/php5/mysql5.0 already and i wasn't sure if they are included like that or if they were added. |
| 22:26.11 | techbie | how do i install compiz from sid in etch |
| 22:27.01 | Greyscale_ | rob19, the base server install of etch comes with... |
| 22:27.04 | Greyscale_ | just about nothing |
| 22:27.08 | stew | techbie: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:27.14 | Creeture | wols: You mentioned /etc/fstab - does etch change the /dev/hda* to /dev/sda* with the newer kernel? Or is that only on SATA devices? |
| 22:27.15 | Greyscale_ | someone at the DC has installed them for you |
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| 22:27.41 | stew | Creeture: sometimes, depends on the exact drivers and kernels in question |
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| 22:28.14 | Blwood | I have again the same error :'(. I've done : apt-get install firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d ipw3945-source module-assistant , m-a prepare && m-a a-i ipw3945 , modprobe ipw3945. When lauching ipw3945 it tells me : " ERROR: Could not find Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection" |
| 22:28.32 | stew | Creeture: if you want to insulate yourself from such chnages, switch your bootloader and fstab to use filesystem labels or partition uuids instead of device names |
| 22:28.57 | themill | Blwood: you don't need to launch the daemon, you should modprobe ipw3945 and that will load the daemon for you. |
| 22:29.18 | namit_home | is there any way of doing the following. copy hard disk bit for bit into iso file then wipe hard disk and resotre the image bit for bit? |
| 22:29.23 | themill | Blwood: same for stopping the daemon: modprobe -r ipw3945 |
| 22:29.58 | techbie | stew:Thanks:) |
| 22:30.02 | Blwood | themill, when I do "iwconfig", all my interface are "no wireless extensions." :'( |
| 22:30.21 | Creeture | namit_home: Not an iso, but look into partimage |
| 22:30.26 | stew | namit_home: yes, but it wouldn't be an iso file, it would just be a disk image |
| 22:30.50 | kingsley | Is there a chart that explains which kernel package to use for the output reported by "cat /proc/cpuinfo"? |
| 22:30.51 | stew | namit_home: "cp /dev/hda /path/to/image" to copy the entire contents of hda, the reverse would restore it |
| 22:32.05 | namit_home | well want i want to do is setup pxe server and load a ram image then sync down all the files again to machine. But what about boot sectors on hard disk. |
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| 22:32.15 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: not really, but nowadays, you just want the -686 kernels. |
| 22:32.28 | ricky | Hmm. I wonder what would happen if the destination were on the disk >:) |
| 22:32.43 | stew | ricky: you'd fill the disk |
| 22:33.09 | Creeture | stew: your do-it-by-uuid idea works for me. on an old kernel (2.6.8-3-686), do you know off the top of your head how to get the uuids? |
| 22:33.09 | KDE4000 | Can someone pls give me a link to the Debian testing Net install iso file, i cant download it from cdimage.debian.org, some problem with isp, can you give me a mirror, i have been looking for hours now |
| 22:34.00 | ricky | KDE4000: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list (can you access this?) |
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| 22:34.24 | stew | Creeture: i'd search through the output of 'lshal' for uuid |
| 22:35.12 | KDE4000 | yes, i can access |
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| 22:35.26 | KDE4000 | but i look at a mirror, and then i notice no iso files |
| 22:36.19 | shwouchk | wols: just to let you know... I set up / as 500MB expecting it would be ample space, and it is almost finished, and might be completely gone soon |
| 22:36.27 | Creeture | stew: Hey, that'll do. |
| 22:37.24 | Greyscale_ | shwouchk, 2GB is what I set on servers |
| 22:37.32 | Greyscale_ | and 7 is what I put on desktops |
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| 22:37.53 | shwouchk | Greyscale_: too late for me I guess :( |
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| 22:38.00 | ricky | KDE4000: Oops, I might have messed up there. |
| 22:38.05 | x_link | Hi... |
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| 22:38.09 | shwouchk | Greyscale_: unless I reinstall |
| 22:38.09 | Greyscale_ | shwouchk, resize it/ |
| 22:38.19 | Greyscale_ | get a liveCD, use gparted to resize the partitions |
| 22:38.22 | KDE4000 | i set up 27 gb / for all os |
| 22:38.31 | KDE4000 | each distro with 27 gb |
| 22:38.32 | Greyscale_ | thats why I have ubuntu CD's |
| 22:38.38 | x_link | Now I have installed the nvidia packages for my new kernel. But I still can't install the nvidia driver. |
| 22:38.51 | ricky | KDE4000: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
| 22:38.56 | KDE4000 | ubuntu is NOT a good way to partion, use gparted |
| 22:38.58 | x_link | I did and sudo aptitude dist-upgrade today, and it changed my kernel from 2.6.18-4-k7 to 2.6.21-2-k7. |
| 22:39.08 | KDE4000 | ricky: i want testing |
| 22:39.10 | shwouchk | Greyscale_: I dont need a livecd, Im installing directly to a HDD |
| 22:39.16 | x_link | When I try to install the nvidia driver it tells me it doesn't find the kernel module. |
| 22:39.25 | Greyscale_ | KDE4000, I said I used livecd's to use gparted... |
| 22:39.46 | KDE4000 | Greyscale_: i was talking about the gparted live cd |
| 22:39.59 | Greyscale_ | eh, I have ubuntu ones here. |
| 22:40.06 | shwouchk | Greyscale_: this means I lose the swap... oh well |
| 22:40.10 | ricky | KDE4000: Gah, sorry- I'm being careless. And netinstall. |
| 22:40.11 | KDE4000 | Greyscale_: ubuntu remounts partions while format, so it almost always fails |
| 22:40.28 | Greyscale_ | shwouchk, resize another partition? |
| 22:40.40 | KDE4000 | ricky: debian testing netinstall i386 |
| 22:40.52 | shwouchk | KDE4000: ubuntu hasn't failed installing here on my sister's laptop |
| 22:41.16 | KDE4000 | shwouchk: i dont say against ubuntu, i just say, its better to use gparted live cd to partion |
| 22:41.21 | shwouchk | might I say 7.04 is exquisit out of the box... except for maybe wifi drivers |
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| 22:41.38 | ricky | KDE4000: Does this work: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 22:41.42 | shwouchk | KDE4000: yeah, I see |
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| 22:42.10 | KDE4000 | yay, thanks |
| 22:42.23 | x_link | Anybody using 2.6.21-2-k7 kernel here? |
| 22:42.25 | ricky | KDE4000: Hmm.. cdimage.debian.org resolves to that- strange. |
| 22:42.29 | KDE4000 | i will write that thing down, copy it to ooo print it, bookmark it and more :) |
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| 22:42.31 | x_link | With nvidia driver? |
| 22:42.39 | shwouchk | can I have more then one repository serving the same type? of packages in sources.list? |
| 22:42.56 | Blwood | the installation of ipw3945 seems ok, I can modprobe ipw3945 and modprobe -r ipw3945 with no errors. However iwconfig gives me "no wireless extensions". Strange :s ? Does someone has an idea ? |
| 22:43.08 | xand | shwouchk: yes |
| 22:43.22 | shwouchk | good |
| 22:44.15 | techbie | stew: found error running build-deps http://paste.debian.net/32549 |
| 22:44.55 | themill | Blwood: I presume that lspci shows that you really do have a 3945 :) |
| 22:45.05 | xand | hmm is there some key combo to send to ssh to tell it to exit? because the machine i was logged into switched off/disconnected etc |
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| 22:45.29 | tarzeau | xand: if you were in gnu screen before running ssh, there's c-a k |
| 22:45.34 | tarzeau | xand: followed by y |
| 22:45.38 | themill | xand: enter then ~ then . |
| 22:45.39 | ricky | xand: Does ~ ctr-c work? |
| 22:45.40 | tarzeau | xand: otherwise, just close the terminal? |
| 22:45.54 | ricky | xand: Oops, maybe it's what themill said instead. |
| 22:45.58 | xand | tarzeau: but I want to use the bash session its in |
| 22:46.08 | Blwood | themill, yes lspci gives me Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG |
| 22:46.17 | KDE4000 | xand: just wait, it will disconnect mostlikely |
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| 22:46.43 | Creeture | Well, here goes the reboot. If it breaks, I'll just have to buy a plane ticket. |
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| 22:47.31 | Blwood | themill, when I do a demsg I find : "Kill switch must be turned off for wireless networking to work." |
| 22:47.43 | xand | themill: thanks that works |
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| 22:47.49 | Blwood | I presume I have to take the ethernet cable off :o ? |
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| 22:48.25 | karmatronic | hi |
| 22:48.31 | valdyn | Blwood: rfkill switch = radio on/off switch |
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| 22:48.46 | themill | Blwood: the kill switch is a keyboard shortcut that turns off the radio. Fn+F2 or something like that. Try it. |
| 22:48.54 | valdyn | Blwood: that could be fn-f5 or whatever |
| 22:49.10 | inFw | Blwood: it can also be a real switch, I have one on my laptop. |
| 22:49.17 | Blwood | I got it !!! :) |
| 22:49.24 | Blwood | it is a swich |
| 22:49.30 | karmatronic | is aplay jack compatible? |
| 22:49.30 | Blwood | oh thank you very much !!! |
| 22:49.33 | tarzeau | chocolate should be illegal |
| 22:49.48 | shwouchk | what command talls me which proccesses are accessing a certaing location? |
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| 22:49.51 | themill | Blwood: :) |
| 22:49.58 | tarzeau | shwouchk: lsof ? |
| 22:50.05 | tarzeau | shwouchk: fuser /certain/location ? |
| 22:50.09 | shwouchk | tarzeau: maybe, lets see :) |
| 22:50.52 | shwouchk | tarzeau: thanks |
| 22:51.22 | themill | Blwood: FYI I find that I normally need to modprobe -r ipw3945; modprobe ipw3945 after I suspend to disk. It's the one thing that comes up a little groggy. |
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| 22:53.10 | Creeture | Woo Hoo!!!! It came up. /me doesn't have to fly to Minnesota now. |
| 22:53.23 | foo | :) |
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| 22:54.26 | shwouchk | Greyscale_: do you think if I resize to ~900mb itll be enough? |
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| 22:54.32 | foo | Where is the default my.cnf file that mysqld reads on debian? /etc/mysql/my.cnf - right? |
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| 22:54.50 | Creeture | stew: I went with the e2label approach. Worked like a champ. |
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| 22:55.07 | deb_user | hi debian community. I'm trying to upgrade a pentium I to the 2.4 kernel, currently running woody 2.2.20, any suggestions on the best way to proceed? |
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| 22:55.27 | deb_user | foo: yes |
| 22:55.33 | foo | deb_user: thanks |
| 22:55.39 | deb_user | foo: welcome |
| 22:56.10 | deb_user | is there a woody repository I could use to upgrade my kernel? |
| 22:57.04 | valdyn | !debian-archive |
| 22:57.11 | valdyn | !debian archive |
| 22:57.12 | dpkg | methinks debian archive is debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at http://archive.debian.org/ and old versions of packages can be found at http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
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| 22:59.09 | ma3x | what script do i modify to execute something when laptop lid is closed? |
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| 23:00.27 | deb_user | ok, nice to know where the archive is... |
| 23:01.28 | jae_ | Ouch |
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| 23:05.20 | Jamerz | i seem to be getting alot of "rtc: lost some interrupts at 2048Hz." while running vmware.. |
| 23:05.29 | Jamerz | when i say alot, i really mean a console flood |
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| 23:09.06 | Greyscale_ | can I see what processes are creating all this diskIO? |
| 23:09.42 | ledet | Greyscale_: lsof perhaps? |
| 23:10.04 | Creeture | Greyscale_: You've just asked one of the hardest questions in all of the UNIX world. |
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| 23:10.19 | Greyscale_ | hah |
| 23:10.23 | Jamerz | Creeture, how is that the hardest question in all the unix world? heh |
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| 23:10.48 | h3sp4wn | Greyscale_: atop (with the kernel patch) will tell you what you want |
| 23:10.54 | pastorn | what should i do when apt-get freezes during an installation? |
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| 23:11.32 | ledet | pastorn: kill it, retry |
| 23:11.33 | karmatronic | pastorn: you should cry |
| 23:11.38 | Jamerz | pastorn, what happens when your cat starts on fire? |
| 23:11.40 | Jamerz | put it out |
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| 23:11.46 | karmatronic | pastorn: or that |
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| 23:11.48 | Jamerz | then light it on fire again.. |
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| 23:11.49 | dkr | Greyscale_: check out the acct package, it has process accounting stuff |
| 23:11.58 | Greyscale_ | I need sleep |
| 23:11.58 | pastorn | ledet: did that a number of times |
| 23:12.04 | Jamerz | stop apt-get, then restart it again |
| 23:12.10 | Greyscale_ | I'll ask again tommorrow *zzzzzzz* *FLUMP* |
| 23:12.11 | shwouchk | what repositories can I put besides 'main' in sources.list? |
| 23:12.11 | ledet | pastorn: in that case... cry... |
| 23:12.13 | pastorn | always freezes at the same ploce |
| 23:12.14 | ledet | pastorn: :) |
| 23:12.23 | ledet | pastorn: or try to figure out why it sleeps |
| 23:12.24 | karmatronic | pastorn: which place ? |
| 23:13.05 | Creeture | Jamerz: There are no *good* tools that do it well. You can tell what a process is doing, but the "what's causing all of the io" is harder. atop is good, still not what most people want. |
| 23:13.08 | pastorn | it doesn't sleep, it just never terminates |
| 23:13.16 | pastorn | it has A LOT of disk usage |
| 23:14.17 | pastorn | http://hpaste.org/1622 <-- i pressed CTRL-C when i was "building GHCi library /usr/lib/haskell-packages/ghc6/lib/gtk-0.9.10.5/HSgtk.o..." |
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| 23:15.31 | mx-zoom | anyone could tell me where debian stores the kernels that are still under development? |
| 23:15.39 | mx-zoom | I need to download a 2.6.22 |
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| 23:16.52 | karmatronic | mx-zoom: kernel archives |
| 23:17.26 | karmatronic | mx-zoom: http://www.kernel.org/ |
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| 23:18.48 | pastorn | ok, so how do i cancel an incomplete installation? |
| 23:18.53 | mx-zoom | karmatronic: tks |
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| 23:21.52 | pickcoder | can anyone recommend a tcpdump based logging and analysys tool? |
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| 23:22.07 | pickcoder | ~analysis |
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| 23:24.10 | Q8 | pickcoder: "netdude" maybe |
| 23:24.30 | hatter | any ideas why the kernel 2.6.18 in the etch install wont recognise the via vt8237 but the knoppix3.9 kernel 2.6.11 will ? |
| 23:25.08 | Q8 | hatter: on the debian kernel you might have to load the module manually |
| 23:26.10 | hatter | Q8, i tried this, but the installer says there is no disk |
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| 23:27.18 | Q8 | hatter: i am sorry. i missed "the installer" on first reading |
| 23:28.06 | jdhore | Hi, I just installed the 2.6.21 kernel into my Testing install, and when i try to install the nvidia driver from the nvidia site for my card (which has worked in the past), it fails...Can anyone help? |
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| 23:29.42 | jdhore | Anyone? Please? |
| 23:30.06 | hatter | does etch have two kernels to choose from ? |
| 23:30.10 | karsten | !nvidia |
| 23:30.10 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 23:30.11 | Creeture | It's amazing how much faster a quad core CPU is when you actually use an SMP enable kernel. |
| 23:30.34 | karsten | hatter: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 23:30.52 | hatter | karsten, for the installer i mean |
| 23:30.58 | karsten | pastorn: ctrl-alt-delete |
| 23:31.11 | karsten | hatter: Boot options, help, read the install guide |
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| 23:31.16 | karsten | !i-g hatter |
| 23:31.21 | eli1 | hatter: I think there is many |
| 23:31.29 | karsten | !tell hatter about i-g |
| 23:33.03 | hatter | how can i tell which driver was used if the driver was compiled into the kernel for the hard disks ? |
| 23:33.29 | pastorn | karsten: CTRL-ALT-DEL? |
| 23:33.32 | pastorn | whut? |
| 23:34.01 | jdhore | That article i was linked to didn't help me :( |
| 23:34.24 | DawnLight | what is a light text editor for x with minimal dependencies? |
| 23:34.44 | eli1 | DawnLight: gvim ? |
| 23:34.45 | gravity | heh, xedit |
| 23:34.55 | eli1 | just gtk as I know |
| 23:34.57 | gravity | It even has a built-in lisp interpreter |
| 23:35.09 | gravity | You can maintain it for debian if you want (please?) |
| 23:35.27 | zinx | i searched for a athena widget based text editor just now.. didn't see one :P |
| 23:35.28 | eli1 | gravity: but he means an editor ;-) only vim is true editor. |
| 23:35.37 | gravity | zinx: xedit |
| 23:35.39 | DawnLight | the package is xed? |
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| 23:35.48 | gravity | DawnLight: If you have X installed, you already have it |
| 23:36.02 | zinx | ahh |
| 23:36.08 | zinx | no separate package, sneaky |
| 23:36.11 | gravity | xbase-clients |
| 23:36.21 | zinx | excellent |
| 23:36.25 | gravity | They're being split out. At some point it'll be finished |
| 23:36.33 | zinx | though wtf, debian's Xaw has far more colors than i remember |
| 23:36.38 | eli1 | DawnLight: but what is the question about the dependencies ? Are you preserving hard disk space or something else ? |
| 23:36.48 | zinx | maybe it's just xedit |
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| 23:37.07 | DawnLight | memory and cpu time |
| 23:37.19 | eli1 | DawnLight: ok ;-) |
| 23:37.55 | DawnLight | i want to run it on a machine without an x server and to forward the display to another box |
| 23:37.55 | eli1 | DawnLight: well vim is just up to 2m |
| 23:38.02 | eli1 | of memory at most |
| 23:38.20 | gravity | Yeah, vim is light |
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| 23:39.41 | DawnLight | well, axe sucks |
| 23:40.02 | gravity | sex still exists, although not in debian |
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| 23:40.10 | gravity | You could probably grab the old package though |
| 23:40.12 | pickcoder | Q8: actually, I'm looking for a web traffic logger/analyzer |
| 23:40.26 | pickcoder | netdude is an X packet viewer |
| 23:41.08 | Nyle | ahh boy |
| 23:41.10 | Nyle | home sweet home |
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| 23:41.24 | heiner | After upgrading to kernel 2.6.21 (Debian testing) my system stopped to boot. Is this a known bug? |
| 23:41.49 | Nyle | heiner: where on boot does it stop? |
| 23:41.57 | heiner | "Waiting for root file system" is one of the last messages I see |
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| 23:43.20 | heiner | Before that message there are messages of the IDE driver, claiming that ports are already in use |
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| 23:43.33 | soothsayer | How can I tell which source apt-get will use to download a package? |
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| 23:44.27 | simonrvn | apt-cache policy foo; man apt-cache |
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| 23:44.54 | MangosDebian | evening |
| 23:45.02 | soothsayer | simonrvn: Thanks |
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| 23:45.48 | eli1 | svn red book is in debian repos ? |
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| 23:46.46 | eli1 | I use dwww for reading the docs, would like to know if svn-red book is on, looked for svn-doc, saw nothing, maybe my sourcelist is missing something |
| 23:46.56 | bingo123 | !slashdot |
| 23:46.58 | dpkg | Slashdot Headlines (8 of 15): Baby Mammoth Found Intact ;; Digitizing 100 Years of Astronomical Data ;; The Dusty Concern for the Mission to Mars ;; Sony Displays New PSP, Polished Games At E3 ;; Surgeon General Describes Censorship From Bush Administration ;; Computer Graphics With Java ;; Games Workshop Forbids Warhammer Fan Films ;; Nintendo - "Everyone is a Gamer". |
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| 23:47.29 | MangosDebian | eli1: curious, do they not have the red book available via svn? |
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| 23:48.14 | eli1 | MangosDebian: that is curious for me too, don't know, I'm playing with svn just now... |
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| 23:48.44 | powergoal | Im trying to install a wireless driver that is not yet supported by madwifi, through the ndiswrapper. I hav downloaded the inf file, and installed it with ndiswrapper -i <file>; then ndiswrapper -m. But I can't modprobe ndiswrapper. Does anyone know why? |
| 23:48.58 | MangosDebian | eli1: perhaps it comes with the subversion source on their svn rather than a seperate package? Ill take a look on my box in case its there for you though |
| 23:48.58 | pastorn | common, aren't there any dpkg h4xx0rz in here? |
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| 23:49.33 | stopher | Hey guys, I just did my first install of Debian and I really like it. I was a Fedora/RedHat guy before, but heard good tings about debian. I figured out a lot of stuff on it, but can't get packages to install: foor example: apt-get install proftp= returns "E: Could not find package proftp" |
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| 23:49.37 | DawnLight | powergoal: did you build the ndiswrapper module? |
| 23:49.38 | stopher | Any ideas? |
| 23:49.40 | simonrvn | eli1: apparently not |
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| 23:50.05 | MangosDebian | eli1: ya, nothing here either |
| 23:50.08 | simonrvn | eli1: fetch their tarball and install it yourself; even package it if you know how =) |
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| 23:50.17 | powergoal | DawnLight: Well, all I have really done at this point is install the debian etch netinstall cd. and then i fetched the wireless driver and whatnot. So no. Can I get it from the repositories? or is it a kernel compiletime issue? |
| 23:50.41 | DawnLight | stopher: use aptitude |
| 23:51.00 | stopher | DawnLight: "aptitude install proftp"? |
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| 23:51.07 | eli1 | :(. I'll look a bit more... thks helping |
| 23:51.08 | valdyn | stopher: "apt-cache search proftp" |
| 23:51.22 | valdyn | stopher: no one told you the there even is a package with that name, i bet |
| 23:51.24 | MangosDebian | eli1: http://svnbook.red-bean.com does have a downloadable version that i use |
| 23:51.26 | DawnLight | stopher: "aptitude" |
| 23:51.45 | DawnLight | and man aptitude |
| 23:51.48 | doschdn | hi. i'm running xen on debian etch. i just updated my domU(also debian etch) kernel to 2.6.20 but now it stops booting after "Starting periodic command scheduler: crond." in the xen console (right before it is supposed to show the login prompt). any idea what to do? |
| 23:52.10 | pastorn | @paste |
| 23:52.10 | epsilon | search for proftpd* package first, there are several packages with different auth support |
| 23:52.17 | pastorn | ?paste |
| 23:52.22 | DawnLight | powergoal: hold on |
| 23:52.26 | powergoal | DawnLight: ok |
| 23:52.28 | MangosDebian | pastorn: pastebin.ca |
| 23:52.28 | pastorn | help? |
| 23:52.32 | stopher | DawnLight: Okay I'm in aptitude, looks like DOS :) |
| 23:52.39 | soothsayer | How can I 'pin' my local debarchiver repository? Should 'Pin: origin ""' work? |
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| 23:52.43 | Nyle | !paster |
| 23:52.44 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 23:52.50 | Nyle | !pastor |
| 23:52.51 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 23:52.53 | pastorn | MangosDebian: thanks |
| 23:53.00 | Nyle | bah |
| 23:53.08 | Nyle | no includy clergy |
| 23:53.17 | MangosDebian | second one can go I think |
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| 23:55.05 | karsten | Hrm. So, I've got wired and wireless networking. I'm finding that periodically my laptop reactivates eth1 (wifi) though I don't want it to. Checking /var/log/daemon.log, I see that dhclient is apparently doing this. Any way to get it to stop (it messes with routing). |
| 23:55.25 | DawnLight | powergoal: http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper |
| 23:55.29 | valdyn | karsten: whos starting dhclient? |
| 23:55.37 | karsten | valdyn: Good question. |
| 23:55.50 | valdyn | karsten: network-manager? /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 23:55.58 | jdhore | hi, i'm having a bit of a problem...I upgraded the kernel of my testing install to the 2.6.21 kernel and rebooted and now the nvidia module installer is having an issue so i'm kind of stuck without X...can anyone help me? |
| 23:56.14 | powergoal | DawnLight: cool. Thankyou :D |
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| 23:56.16 | karsten | I've got 10 dhclient processes running started July 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9. |
| 23:56.21 | valdyn | jdhore: use your old kernel, 2,6.21 doesnt work atm |
| 23:56.28 | stopher | Okay in aptitude if I wanted to download php5, mysql, phpmyadmin, ... do I just find those under "Install Packages"? |
| 23:56.34 | pastorn | http://pastebin.ca/615188 <-- the package that i cannot stop from installing |
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| 23:57.30 | jdhore | valdyn: Just wondering, If it's broken, why in god's name would it merge into Testing? |
| 23:57.34 | stew | stopher: hit '/' to search, start typing the (partial) name of the package, 'n' to search again, when you find the package you want, hit '+' to queue it to be installed. when you have queued everything you want, hit 'g' to 'go' |
| 23:57.35 | karsten | valdyn: Doesn't appear that network-manager is installed. No match on "dhclient" in /etc/network/interfaces. Maybe a postup script... |
| 23:57.38 | MangosDebian | pastorn: you mean everytime you install something else it tried to install that as well? |
| 23:57.52 | pastorn | MangosDebian: yes, and that install always hangs |
| 23:57.53 | stopher | stew: thanks! :D |
| 23:58.15 | valdyn | jdhore: it isnt broken per se, it just breaks the nvidia driver |
| 23:58.29 | stew | jdhore: its not broken. the nvidia driver which isn't in debian at all is broken |
| 23:58.30 | MangosDebian | pastorn: dpkg --get-selections | less, is it set to install in that list? |
| 23:58.44 | valdyn | jdhore: and the reason is that no one reported the bug ( or it wasn't acked as critical, whatever ) |
| 23:58.57 | Muisje | how do i cat files together? |
| 23:59.09 | stew | pastorn: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 23:59.18 | stew | Muisje: cat file1 file2 file3... |
| 23:59.26 | Muisje | k |
