| 00:00.01 | pastorn | stew: this not an ubuntu-specific error |
| 00:00.13 | Nyle | why not? |
| 00:00.16 | valdyn | pastorn: how could you know that? |
| 00:00.21 | stew | pastorn: its certainly not a debian specific error. sorry we're unable to help you |
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| 00:00.30 | valdyn | pastorn: or - why ask us about it if you know already better? |
| 00:00.30 | jdhore | valdyn: thanks for clarifying...I believe in trying to fumble through this i borked my 2.6.18 a bit...any way/any idea how to work around it or how to fix it? |
| 00:00.44 | valdyn | jdhore: just reinstall it |
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| 00:00.49 | MangosDebian | sorry, didnt see the ubuntu |
| 00:00.51 | pastorn | ok, maybe not, but noone in ubuntu either reads cries for help OR can use dpkg very well |
| 00:00.52 | jdhore | (not my 2.6.18 kernel, the nvidia issue) |
| 00:00.54 | valdyn | jdhore: aptitude reinstall <packagename> |
| 00:01.12 | Nyle | pastorn: that is why they have paid support |
| 00:01.15 | gravity | gyah, motu is maintaining libghc6-gtk? ick |
| 00:01.28 | DawnLight | stopher: enjoy the marvels of debian. check out the aptitude-doc package |
| 00:01.32 | Nyle | pastorn: why don't you install debian? If you do, we'll gladly help you |
| 00:02.01 | jdhore | valdyn: reinstall the kernel or the nvidia driver? |
| 00:02.18 | Orion_X11 | jdhore: I don't think it is broken although I do not use nvidia or whatever. Perhaps it is missing the headers. I had an issue whit ndiswrapper after upgrading a new kernel and I had to reinstall ndiswrapper that was missing the headers. If nvidia needs headers I am sure that this is the problem. But, only you can answer this :-) |
| 00:02.23 | DawnLight | i've started linux with ubuntu and migrated to debian |
| 00:02.24 | gravity | oh thank god we've got a maintainer of our own for it |
| 00:02.27 | valdyn | jdhore: all? i dont know what's broken |
| 00:02.40 | pastorn | Nyle: i would, but i don't have time to config it on my laptop atm |
| 00:02.53 | valdyn | Orion_X11: nvidia drivers not working with 2.6.21 is a know issue. |
| 00:03.00 | valdyn | Orion_X11: nvidia drivers not working with 2.6.21 is a known issue. |
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| 00:03.14 | pastorn | MangosDebian: "libghc6-gtk-dev deinstall" is in that list |
| 00:03.17 | jdhore | valdyn: My nvidia driver on the .21 kernel and my .18 kernel |
| 00:03.24 | stopher | When I select packages for PHP, it says "Depends on ..." but the dependant module isn't there to be selected...what do I do now? :) |
| 00:03.33 | DawnLight | it would have been better if all the efforts in developing ubuntu were put into making debian more friendly |
| 00:03.38 | Orion_X11 | valdyn: Ok. Then :-) |
| 00:03.41 | powergoal | what repository package includes net-setup? |
| 00:04.09 | karsten | DawnLight: Got any solutions for world peace, hunger, and bad food while you're at it? |
| 00:04.10 | stew | stopher: show us the output of "apt-cache policy package1 package2..." for the involved packages, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 00:04.11 | valdyn | DawnLight: they're working on that |
| 00:04.20 | DawnLight | a few |
| 00:04.29 | pickcoder | gah.. I've had no luck finding a prepacked solution for reporting user http traffic |
| 00:04.32 | DawnLight | lets talk about it |
| 00:04.54 | karsten | DawnLight: #debian-offtopic |
| 00:05.36 | DawnLight | i'm preoccupied ;) |
| 00:05.46 | karsten | DawnLight: I'm postoccupied. |
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| 00:05.57 | jdhore | valdyn: Any idea when nvidia will be fixed on 2.6.21? |
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| 00:06.08 | stew | jdhore: it won't. it will be fixed on 2.6.22 |
| 00:06.13 | valdyn | jdhore: it wont, it should be ok with 2.6.22 |
| 00:06.26 | jdhore | crap |
| 00:06.47 | stew | jdhore: or you can build a 2.6.21 without paravitualization if you are so inclined and don't need paravirtualization |
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| 00:07.44 | MangosDebian | Nyle: so, how is the mild mannered alter ego doing this evening? |
| 00:07.57 | Nyle | what the fuck are you talking about? |
| 00:08.01 | jdhore | stew: i'd love to do that, but the last time i tried to compile a kernel manually, i ran into...issues...like major ones...I'd do it if Debian had something like Genkernel though. |
| 00:08.15 | stew | jdhore: /msg dpkg kp |
| 00:08.19 | Nyle | MangosDebian: :) |
| 00:08.31 | MangosDebian | Nyle: :) |
| 00:08.43 | jdhore | I gotta say...I love linux and all, but when crap like this happens, it puts a real sour taste in my mouth :( |
| 00:09.00 | Nyle | jdhore: some people find it fun |
| 00:09.01 | valdyn | jdhore: use stable |
| 00:09.12 | Nyle | jdhore: I use unstable purely for that |
| 00:09.28 | Nyle | but it just doesn't wanna break too often, even for being unstable, at least for the things I do |
| 00:09.36 | valdyn | im not sure why people ever expect a kernel upgrade to "just work" |
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| 00:09.44 | Rapidwolve | Does anybody need a good webhost? |
| 00:09.46 | Rapidwolve | I offer SQL databases, Email addresses, and FTP access, all unlimited. PM me. |
| 00:09.52 | pickcoder | Rapidwolve: don't advertise |
| 00:09.57 | hatter | I can't figure out why my etch installer (2.6.18) wont discover the sata hard disks but the knoppix3.9 (2.6.11) will |
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| 00:10.04 | jdhore | I know...I ran Unstable for a few weeks, and there weren't too many issues |
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| 00:10.09 | Nyle | Rapidwolve: unless you offer it for free, don't advertise or maybe don't do it period. |
| 00:10.29 | Nyle | jdhore: yeh but when something breaks, you'll not find much support |
| 00:10.40 | Nyle | if you run unstable, you're expected to be able to fix yourself as well |
| 00:10.44 | jdhore | valdyn: I expect it to work because on all the other distros i've run (Ubuntu and Gentoo), a kernel update works fine. |
| 00:10.48 | MangosDebian | not sure how much hosting he expects to do on a verizon broadband connection though |
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| 00:11.09 | hatter | valdyn, btw, thx for your input last night |
| 00:11.15 | valdyn | jdhore: you mean "it worked fine" |
| 00:11.16 | stopher | stew: for this, php5-gd i have this pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/615199 |
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| 00:11.23 | valdyn | jdhore: merely coincidence ( or luck ) |
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| 00:11.57 | valdyn | jdhore: i can run experimental -mm kernels just fine too, i wont conclude they are good for users though ;) |
| 00:12.05 | jdhore | possibly...but i digress |
| 00:12.12 | jdhore | wait...i have an idea |
| 00:12.12 | stew | stopher: do you only have a security mirror and no main mirror? |
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| 00:12.23 | stew | stopher: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 00:12.36 | stopher | stew: sure just a sec. |
| 00:13.14 | jdhore | I started a thread on the Debian forums because i was having a very similar problem to this when i was running sid...Mind telling me if it might work (I'll link to the thread in a sec). |
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| 00:15.29 | jdhore | Here's the answer i was about to try: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=76729#76729 |
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| 00:17.10 | stopher | stew: pastebin of /etc/apt/sources.list: http://pastebin.ca/615204 |
| 00:17.51 | stew | stopher: yeah, you only have security, which is not a full mirror, it only contains packages which have been updated for security reasons, you should add a regular network mirror: /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 00:19.08 | Marco | How can I pull the sources for the kernel I'm running from apt? |
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| 00:19.17 | Marco | I'm running 2.6.21-2-686 |
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| 00:20.21 | stopher | stew: thanks :) ill add it later, going out to dinner... I appreciate everyone's help! |
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| 00:21.45 | hatter | could there be two different versions of the sata_via driver 1.1 ? |
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| 00:22.52 | jelly-home | Marco: what do you need the source for? |
| 00:23.06 | maleitch | Can't run bzip2 on new Debian 4.0 installation, get bash: bzip2: command not found |
| 00:23.24 | maleitch | anyone have a second to help me out |
| 00:23.36 | Marco | jelly-home, in order to get nvidia-kernel-sources to build on 2.6.21 I need to disable paravirtualization in the kernel |
| 00:24.22 | sandman | What's the significance of creating a TRANS.TBL file on a CD? |
| 00:24.56 | jelly-home | Marco: ah. linux-source-2.6.21 probably |
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| 00:25.49 | jelly-home | maleitch: sounds like it's not installed yet... |
| 00:26.12 | Marco | maleitch, try apt-get install bzip* |
| 00:26.21 | Marco | and then run your command :) |
| 00:26.24 | elventai1s | hi, I'm using debootstrap to grab sarge from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ but I'm getting a Couldn't download gcc-3.2-base.. any clues?? |
| 00:26.37 | jelly-home | only put 2 instead of * in the command |
| 00:27.02 | maleitch | ok Marco...that is a lot of stuff though...should have room |
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| 00:27.21 | Marco | do what jelly-home said |
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| 00:27.27 | Marco | so apt-get install bzip2 |
| 00:28.00 | maleitch | I actually tried that earlier...it found it, yet would not install...sorry already pulled the trigger on previous command...waiting to finish install |
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| 00:28.14 | smacnay | on an lvm system, my available /tmp space is down to 388 Meg... does tmpfs use part of /tmp? I have an app that needs more than 700 Meg in /tmp. |
| 00:28.28 | maleitch | I appreciate the help btw |
| 00:28.46 | jelly-home | !tell maleitch about refcard |
| 00:29.57 | jelly-home | maleitch: there's also a lot of useful docs if you're a fresh linux user in general -- /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 00:31.04 | maleitch | well not totally new, and have used apt-get quite a bit...just could not get the bzip2 package going |
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| 00:31.17 | doschdn | hi. how do i properly use ldap for group management? i put ldap in my nsswitch.conf, but now udev prints some annoying errors while booting, because slapd isn't started at that point |
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| 00:33.10 | maleitch | bzip appears to be working now, however it says my file is not a bzip file...will keep working on it...thanks for everyones help |
| 00:33.33 | zrin | is there a way to make 3ware raid stay sda no matter if there are other (usb, sata) drives connected? using /dev/disk/by-whatever did not help me |
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| 00:34.46 | jdude1284 | Hi - which debian package has the exportfs binary? |
| 00:34.48 | jelly-home | zrin: ... force loading of its drivers first? |
| 00:35.10 | jelly-home | zrin: (like, compile them in and put the rest as modules) |
| 00:35.30 | doschdn | jdude1284 it's probably in nfs-kernel-server or so |
| 00:36.00 | zrin | jelly-home: yes, that would help, but is there an alternative? |
| 00:36.01 | jdude1284 | doschdn, ah yes, thank you. |
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| 00:36.08 | doschdn | no problem |
| 00:36.25 | jelly-home | zrin: I use LABEL=... entries in /etc/fstab to access hotpluggable devices instead of /dev/sdXX |
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| 00:37.00 | zrin | jelly-home: and root= for the kernel? |
| 00:37.03 | cast | morning all |
| 00:37.18 | jelly-home | zrin: UUID=... can serve the same purpose... I _think_ root=UUID=... works. |
| 00:37.32 | jelly-home | haven't tried it though |
| 00:38.34 | zrin | jelly-home: I've found that /dev/disk/by-*/ does not get fully populated for 3ware raid device and its partitions |
| 00:39.08 | jelly-home | zrin: sorry, I have almost no experience w/ 3ware |
| 00:39.31 | zrin | jelly-home: I'll try root=UUID=, thank you |
| 00:39.54 | jelly-home | zrin: my RHEL4 systems have root=LABEL=/ in grub config, so it appears that works too |
| 00:40.05 | MangosDebian | cast: evenin' |
| 00:40.20 | jelly-home | zrin: (and labels are shorter than uuids ;-) |
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| 00:47.27 | sandman | Could a bad power source (that is, electricity is unpredictable here) be responsible for system freezes? |
| 00:47.37 | cast | yes. |
| 00:48.26 | cast | comp next to me ended up in a weird half off state, where the fans had all stopped but the lights were on from a power cut |
| 00:49.19 | jelly-home | better to buy a new PS (and it rhymes) than to buy other components because they had inadequate power |
| 00:49.44 | jelly-home | or, in this case, an UPS |
| 00:49.54 | cast | UPS is good :) |
| 00:50.44 | shwouchk | Hi |
| 00:50.50 | shwouchk | Please help! |
| 00:50.58 | shwouchk | A netowrking module, sis900 is being loaded and recognized, yet my nothing comes up in ifconfig |
| 00:51.02 | shwouchk | and if I ifup eth0 nothing happens either |
| 00:51.04 | jelly-home | my main (and only) machine is a laptop... it has a nice UPS battery ;-) |
| 00:51.45 | cast | shwouchk: and you use ifconfig eth0 up ip? |
| 00:52.18 | Nyle | sweet n sour chickaan, cuz i like the chickaan i like the chickaan |
| 00:52.33 | Nyle | finally got my box ready, took me 3 days |
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| 00:52.44 | Nyle | now I need to hookup vpn to my house |
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| 00:53.33 | cast | i hope that goes well for you Nyle |
| 00:53.34 | jelly-home | isn't that a _virtual_ connection, thus needing no hookup :-) |
| 00:53.41 | Nyle | me too |
| 00:53.57 | Nyle | yeh |
| 00:54.08 | Nyle | im virtually hooking up the virtual connection |
| 00:54.42 | shwouchk | cast: no, I was just using ifconfig eth0 up... when I issue your command it complains about an invalid config, Im trying to fix it now |
| 00:54.44 | jelly-home | hooking up sounds like messing with hardware to my second-language ears |
| 00:55.08 | Nyle | jelly-home: "I'm gonna hook up some chinese food tonight" |
| 00:55.18 | Nyle | jelly-home: you got a bag, hook me up |
| 00:55.19 | Nyle | see? |
| 00:55.25 | cast | shwouchk: remmeber to replace eth0 with whatever yout network card is... dmesg|grep eth |
| 00:55.28 | Nyle | hooking up is like a figure of speech |
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| 00:56.02 | jelly-home | Nyle: eh, if you can touch it (or smoke it as the case may be), then its hardware ;-) |
| 00:56.23 | Nyle | goddamit |
| 00:56.40 | sandman | Anyone here familiar with xen-tools? |
| 00:56.41 | jelly-home | ... but I get your drift |
| 00:56.52 | Nyle | i coughed really hard and I hd a mouthful of rice and I got some in my nose now |
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| 00:57.39 | jelly-home | don't be a ricer |
| 00:57.44 | shwouchk | cast: it really is eth0.. |
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| 00:58.04 | shwouchk | cast: I accidentally put what shoulda been in /etc/hosts into /etc/host.conf |
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| 00:58.40 | jelly-home | interesting way to spam. |
| 00:58.44 | Nyle | I got the entire Xmen series on dvd, I haven't seen any of these in like over 10 years |
| 00:58.48 | Nyle | 14 or so years i think |
| 00:58.49 | jdude1284 | Hi, I just started playing around with iptables and I'm curious whether iptables can actually generate packets. For example, say iptables sees a packet of some kind, maybe from the internal network can iptables construct a packet with data based on the packet it saw and send that on behalf of the client who made the original request? |
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| 00:59.37 | simonrvn | thank you for the klines |
| 00:59.52 | simonrvn | that was just too obvious |
| 01:00.06 | cast | jdude1284: hmm, not that i know of...read through all the modules though. i imagine that would be better done outside iptables though |
| 01:00.31 | jdude1284 | cast, do you know of a tutorial or something that could show me how to hook in an external program or script to iptables? |
| 01:00.32 | simonrvn | it's for filtering, not generation. it'll mangle packets, but not create them (AFAIK) |
| 01:00.49 | jdude1284 | I imagine that I could have it trigger a script on some event that it detects |
| 01:01.01 | jdude1284 | that script would then generate the required packets, etc |
| 01:01.02 | jelly-home | jdude1284: a specific way of changing the packets (usually only a little bot) is full NAT / connection tracking, for example |
| 01:01.24 | hatter | it appears there is a bug in the via_sata driver in kernel-2.6.18. knoppix3.9 finds the disks, ubuntu server edition finds the disks but etch installer doesnt, what should be done about this ? who should i notify ? |
| 01:01.40 | jdude1284 | jelly-home, what do you mean "only a little bot" ? |
| 01:01.47 | jdude1284 | did you mean bit? |
| 01:01.51 | hatter | which means i cant install etch on this server :( (cry) |
| 01:02.00 | shwouchk | cast: now I get 'ip: unknown host' when I do that |
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| 01:02.11 | cast | shwouchk: because...ip should be the ip you want! |
| 01:02.15 | jdude1284 | jelly-home, the thing about NAT tracking is that I thought iptables manages that completely internally and just abstracts that away for rule generation |
| 01:02.42 | shwouchk | cast: oh.. but I want dhcp.. |
| 01:02.55 | jdude1284 | jelly-home, so at a highleve you can say like "do NAT stuff" without having to actually replace the data in various packet headers and such |
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| 01:03.54 | shwouchk | cast: so I guess it is just 'up' |
| 01:03.59 | cast | shwouchk: nope. |
| 01:04.07 | shwouchk | no? |
| 01:04.11 | shwouchk | what then? |
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| 01:04.13 | jelly-home | jdude1284: but the data gets munged... so it can at least be done by writing your own netfilter module |
| 01:04.48 | cast | shwouchk: i like to run a quick ifconfig eth0 up IP for testing |
| 01:04.57 | shwouchk | btw, now when I try 'ifup eth0' (just for the kick - the machine is connected) I get an error about unknown interface eth0=eth0 |
| 01:05.08 | shwouchk | cast: ah, I see |
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| 01:05.29 | shwouchk | cast: its a good idea really - helped me discover my error |
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| 01:05.38 | cast | shwouchk: pick a valid not already assigned ip though, |
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| 01:06.02 | hatter | how can i use a different kernel with the etch d-i ? |
| 01:06.27 | jelly-home | jdude1284: I'd take a look at netfilter web to see if there's anything usable for your purpose |
| 01:07.01 | cast | jdude1284: i was thinking if it was a rare event you could take advantage of the logging infrastructure |
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| 01:07.51 | shwouchk | cast: any idea what the new error means? |
| 01:08.28 | smacnay | Hi, seems that my new install of debian has a 388 Meg /tmp partition (lvm setup - default settings). Is it possible to alter this /tmp size? |
| 01:08.29 | jelly-home | shwouchk: perhaps if you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces things might be more clear |
| 01:08.35 | cast | shwouchk: nope, not without seeing interfaces |
| 01:09.36 | shwouchk | jelly-home: will do |
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| 01:09.58 | shwouchk | jelly-home: ah-ha! |
| 01:10.03 | shwouchk | it is empty |
| 01:10.07 | shwouchk | besides for a commend |
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| 01:10.21 | shwouchk | that means that again, I configured the wrong file :( |
| 01:10.33 | shwouchk | I must do this shit when Im fresher |
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| 01:11.22 | cast | dude |
| 01:11.31 | jelly-home | s/fresher/sober/ :-D |
| 01:11.33 | cast | how did you come to end up configuring things completely wrongly? |
| 01:12.01 | shwouchk | awesome - no errors now? |
| 01:12.12 | shwouchk | s/?/!/ |
| 01:12.23 | shwouchk | well, I just did |
| 01:12.26 | shwouchk | heh |
| 01:12.28 | jelly-home | cast: 1. no sleep for 48 hours 2. configure critical systems. 3. ??? 4. profit! |
| 01:12.37 | dacs | hi all |
| 01:12.55 | shwouchk | jelly-home: 3. charge high consulting fees to fix the systems |
| 01:13.23 | jelly-home | shwouchk: so, how much are you getting paid for the mistakes? |
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| 01:14.05 | shwouchk | jelly-home: Im not... I wish :) |
| 01:14.13 | jelly-home | eh |
| 01:14.16 | shwouchk | this is my home server |
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| 01:15.49 | dacs | i have epiphany web brawser and iceweasl both installed in my system, i want to remove Epiphany because its the default and i want to make icewesal my default browser |
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| 01:17.44 | cast | so remove epiphany? |
| 01:18.06 | shwouchk | how do I get apt to remove all .debs which were used |
| 01:18.08 | shwouchk | ? |
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| 01:18.25 | cast | used for what? |
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| 01:18.45 | cast | do you mean to say how do i unfix my random configuration file editing? |
| 01:18.52 | cast | s/un// |
| 01:18.57 | dacs | cast: should i remove it using purge, and after i remove it is there is any settings i need to config to make icewesal the default browser |
| 01:19.34 | shwouchk | cast: no, I mean if I installed some stuff and now want to get rid of the .deb files |
| 01:19.40 | shwouchk | which apt downloaded |
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| 01:20.24 | cast | dacs: you can purge it if you want, no harm done there. purge wont remove your personal users configuration files though, update-alternatives might update the default browser - i'm not sure |
| 01:21.17 | cast | shwouchk: aptitude clean |
| 01:21.32 | shwouchk | cast: thanks |
| 01:22.23 | dacs | cast: well i did aptitude purge epiphany, but it still shows in the internet menu |
| 01:23.01 | cast | dacs: but it won't run will it |
| 01:23.36 | cast | dacs: i don't use gnome/kde so i'm not much help. in e16 restarting e lets it reload the menus |
| 01:23.36 | dacs | cast: it does start |
| 01:23.38 | dacs | wtf |
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| 01:24.15 | jdude1284 | jelly-home, i got distracted back there for a minute - I'm not familiar with netfilter, but by netfilter web, do you mean: http://www.netfilter.org/ ? |
| 01:24.23 | cast | 'Epiphany is a multi-platform clone of Boulder Dash...' |
| 01:24.25 | cast | hah. |
| 01:24.30 | powergoal | How do I add an interface to the /etc/network/interfaces file? for instance, I want it to be a wireless connection that uses dhcp... is it ``iface wlan0 inet dhcp'' ? |
| 01:24.32 | jdude1284 | jelly-home, because that URL seems useful, so I was going to dig into that a bit./ |
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| 01:24.58 | pablo_ | hi, when i install gnome which s better libesd0 or libesd-alsa0 |
| 01:25.03 | shwouchk | dacs: you usually need to logout and login to see the thing removed |
| 01:25.24 | cast | dacs: remove epiphany-browser if you can :) |
| 01:25.49 | cast | powergoal: man interfaces describes the format of the config file |
| 01:25.57 | powergoal | cast: ok, thanks |
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| 01:26.22 | dacs | shwouchk: i shouldn't need too, if i can remember there is a cmd that will do as if i restart |
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| 01:27.00 | shwouchk | dacs: if you find out what it is, let me know please |
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| 01:27.54 | dacs | shwouchk: someone showed me here before and i forgot it man |
| 01:28.08 | shwouchk | :( |
| 01:28.34 | dacs | make long story short wifey throw my notes , while cleaning the house |
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| 01:29.54 | cast | grep irc logs? |
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| 01:35.34 | shwouchk | dacs: thats why you keep them inside the computer |
| 01:35.40 | powergoal | what could be the cause of my wireless interface not showing up in either ifconfig or iwconfig? I have added it to the /etc/network/interface file, and set up ndiswrapper with the driver |
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| 01:36.31 | semprix_ | hello guys ive checked packages.debian.org for java-jdk |
| 01:36.46 | semprix_ | and its marked non-free how do i go about this one? |
| 01:37.11 | h3sp4wn | !tell semprix_ about non-free |
| 01:37.14 | semprix_ | meaning i cant install java-jdk on debian? |
| 01:37.42 | ricky | semprix_: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list to add the non-free component. |
| 01:38.04 | shwouchk | hmmm |
| 01:38.29 | shwouchk | I see lots of mention to it on the net, so I know I can install webmin from apt on debian |
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| 01:38.37 | Azar | simonrvn: could I just install the latest openbox that was released last month in sarge? Or I need to backport it? |
| 01:38.48 | shwouchk | however, I don't see it in apt-cache... why? |
| 01:38.57 | ricky | (the bot) |
| 01:39.01 | fisxoj | the sun-java6-bin package doesn't seem to install the java binary in anyplace PATH knows about. Is there something else I need to install? |
| 01:40.26 | ricky | shwouchk: I've never used webmin, but a quick search gave a Debian package: http://www.webmin.com/download.html |
| 01:40.36 | ricky | (Not actually *in* Debian, though) |
| 01:40.37 | h3sp4wn | !webmin |
| 01:40.37 | dpkg | webmin is, like, a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
| 01:40.43 | karsten | ricky: And if you're lucky you never will. |
| 01:40.51 | karsten | shwouchk: webmin loses. |
| 01:41.03 | shwouchk | ricky: yeah, well - I wanted it through apt |
| 01:41.09 | dacs | powergoal: did you got your wireless to work |
| 01:41.19 | ricky | Hahah. |
| 01:41.51 | MangosDebian | dacs: how did that lcd work out for ya? |
| 01:42.07 | powergoal | dacs: not yet... |
| 01:42.08 | dacs | MangosDebian: my 37" |
| 01:42.08 | Azar | there might be a replica package for webmin you could pick |
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| 01:42.17 | MangosDebian | dacs: ya. any luck? |
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| 01:42.30 | dacs | MangosDebian: yep, i am using it right now |
| 01:42.39 | MangosDebian | dacs: in linux? |
| 01:42.48 | dacs | MangosDebian: yep |
| 01:42.56 | MangosDebian | *drool* |
| 01:43.09 | powergoal | dacs: part of the isue is that the wireless card isnt supported yet by madwifi, so i have to use the ndiswrapper version of the windows driver. but now i cant figure out how to get it to be recognized as an interface.. |
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| 01:43.21 | das_netz | hi |
| 01:43.30 | ricky | Hi! |
| 01:43.47 | dvs | dacs: yikes! My 32" is big enough... for my living room. |
| 01:43.52 | dacs | MangosDebian: your nick name is about 6 inch wide |
| 01:44.00 | das_netz | how can i do for i have two monitors with two cards with debian? |
| 01:44.17 | karsten | das_netz: Xinerama |
| 01:44.25 | karsten | !xinerama |
| 01:44.26 | dpkg | hmm... xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html |
| 01:44.32 | MangosDebian | MangosDebian: not sure how to take that ;) |
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| 01:45.08 | das_netz | karsten, thanks.. i seeing |
| 01:45.26 | MangosDebian | dacs: curious, what works well at that size? irssi in an xterm? or xhcat? |
| 01:45.38 | MangosDebian | I mean contrast and such |
| 01:46.04 | karsten | das_netz: I'm running that now. Laptop + external monitor |
| 01:46.16 | dacs | MangosDebian: i use irssi text, love it love it |
| 01:46.27 | karsten | das_netz: dimensions: 3320x1200 pixels (1124x406 millimeters) |
| 01:46.31 | das_netz | karsten, would you send me the config file about it? |
| 01:46.34 | karsten | :-) |
| 01:46.35 | dacs | works great at the size |
| 01:46.45 | shwouchk | Azar: know of any? |
| 01:46.49 | MangosDebian | dacs: hard to adjust the fonts while your in X with it though? |
| 01:47.30 | dacs | MangosDebian: yeam , i am using 800x600 |
| 01:47.50 | dacs | 1024 is very blury |
| 01:48.01 | karsten | das_netz: Read the link I sent you, that's gong to be more relevant. Short summary is: define both your graphics devices, both monitors, a pair of screens, then finally a ServerLayout saying which of the above to use and where. |
| 01:48.03 | Azar | shwouchk: I never used such package but feel free to take a look at packages ment for your version of Debian (pick stable, testing or unstable) here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 01:48.09 | MangosDebian | dacs: ah, your using svideo out I assume then? |
| 01:48.23 | das_netz | karsten, thanks |
| 01:48.47 | dacs | MangosDebian: no i am using my vga |
| 01:48.49 | MangosDebian | dacs: wow, surprised you cant get a better resolution out of a lcd that big |
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| 01:49.16 | Azar | "The Emperor Has No Clothes" http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/325 |
| 01:50.58 | dacs | MangosDebian: well i just change to 1024 and refresh rate of 75 .. it's better than before |
| 01:51.34 | MangosDebian | dacs: Sounds more like a tv than a computer monitor :/ Whats it max res? |
| 01:52.22 | dacs | MangosDebian: 75..you think i have something wrong |
| 01:52.46 | MangosDebian | dacs: not the refresh, I mean max res. like 1284x768 |
| 01:53.27 | dacs | MangosDebian: 1280x1024 |
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| 01:54.08 | MangosDebian | sorry, not sure where my numbers came from, thats what I mean ;) |
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| 01:56.11 | Spyro_boy | yo yo yo |
| 01:56.14 | Spyro_boy | Anyone in? |
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| 01:56.38 | Spyro_boy | Not sure if anyone remembers or knows about it but I forgot the name of it. It's a DJ mixing proggy and it's written in Java |
| 01:56.53 | Spyro_boy | Does anyone remember what it's called? |
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| 01:57.35 | Spyro_boy | win 26 |
| 01:57.36 | Spyro_boy | Er.. |
| 01:57.38 | Spyro_boy | Ignore that. |
| 01:58.16 | predder | Under debian, in /etc/security/access.conf, the etch default is to comment all this stuff out for dissallowing privileged logins etc. I was looking through the configs on a few boxes and it appears some other sysadmin has uncommented the following: |
| 01:58.48 | predder | # Disallow non-local logins to privileged accounts (group wheel). #-:wheel:ALL EXCEPT LOCAL Yet users in the wheel group can still ssh in, any ideas? |
| 02:01.27 | ricky | predder: ssh in from where? |
| 02:01.35 | dacs | MangosDebian: am using the 1250x1024 and it's good |
| 02:01.57 | dacs | MangosDebian: can i pm u |
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| 02:05.12 | predder | ricky, from a different location/IP address? |
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| 02:07.04 | ricky | predder: did you uncomment the pam_access.so line in /etc/pam.d/ssh? |
| 02:07.37 | ricky | predder: (And doing the same in /etc/pam.d/login probably wouldn't hurt if you're going to be using access.conf) |
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| 02:09.04 | fisxoj | java doesn't appear in my path, apparently, with the sun-java6 packages installed (unstable) |
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| 02:12.46 | ampex | fisxoj: find / -name "java" -print |
| 02:13.17 | predder | ricky, I assume you mean the following: "# account required pam_access.so" in /etc/pam.d/ssh, it mentions /etc/security/access.conf, so I guess uncommenting that makes the access.conf rules enforced? |
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| 02:13.40 | ricky | predder: Yup- that's what I meant. |
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| 02:14.10 | predder | okay, I'll uncomment and see what happens! :) |
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| 02:16.16 | fisxoj | ampex: it found things that don't exist |
| 02:16.24 | fisxoj | ampex: like /usr/bin/java |
| 02:16.27 | predder | great - works as expected. Thankyou very much Ricky |
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| 02:16.48 | SamuraiDio | just curious... what Debian people think of ubuntu people? |
| 02:16.50 | das_netz | hi again |
| 02:17.00 | das_netz | multihead dont work |
| 02:17.22 | das_netz | only one screen work |
| 02:17.37 | ricky | predder: No problem. |
| 02:18.19 | fisxoj | ampex: /usr/java/bin has all of the java execs in it, though |
| 02:18.20 | das_netz | maybe why i have a onboard card vga and other agp card? |
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| 02:23.27 | kurumin | install beryl? |
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| 02:24.16 | Szeraa1 | always fun to do, kurumin |
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| 02:29.04 | SamuraiDio | kurumin, brazil? |
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| 02:30.50 | Azar | SamuraiDio: buntu people are cute |
| 02:31.11 | SamuraiDio | hehe |
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| 02:31.38 | SamuraiDio | does someone know about avantdock and screenliets repositories for Debian? |
| 02:31.41 | Kobaz | hmmm |
| 02:31.49 | Kobaz | libapache-mod-php5 went away |
| 02:32.02 | Azar | SamuraiDio: uh no ? |
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| 02:33.54 | Azar | uh that's for buntu... |
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| 02:34.54 | piztek_ | is it possible to disable backup files everywhere? |
| 02:34.58 | Azar | Your search - screenliets - did not match any documents. |
| 02:35.38 | Azar | SamuraiDio: I guess you know that buntu repositories are not Debian repositories |
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| 02:36.37 | SamuraiDio | Azar, that's why i asked |
| 02:36.40 | Nyle | ubuntu suppositories |
| 02:36.56 | nomasteryoda | LOLROTF |
| 02:37.00 | fisxoj | haha |
| 02:37.01 | Azar | ahhh mister Nyle, what a honor.. |
| 02:37.18 | Nyle | hello my firend |
| 02:37.20 | Nyle | friend |
| 02:37.25 | nomasteryoda | i use both ubuntu and etch here |
| 02:37.28 | Azar | SamuraiDio: yes, buntu people are cute but we can't share same repositories |
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| 04:20.59 | peterS | metbsd: yeah given that debian ships with nvi, vim, and elvis available, nobody should be complaining about lack of vi.. |
| 04:21.46 | metbsd | i thought vi was unix default editor |
| 04:21.50 | wols_ | peterS: but they're not vi, damnit :) |
| 04:21.56 | peterS | isn't nvi installed by default these days? |
| 04:22.01 | wols_ | ed! ed is the default |
| 04:22.10 | metbsd | i used nano for hostname |
| 04:22.13 | metbsd | change |
| 04:22.21 | wols_ | peterS: it always is when I try "vi" directly aftre a netinstall |
| 04:22.26 | peterS | wols_: what are you going on about? I rather doubt ed sets itself up with a high alternative for /usr/bin/editor |
| 04:22.37 | hark | vim-tiny, i think |
| 04:22.51 | wols_ | peterS: ed is the standard after all |
| 04:22.53 | wols_ | ;) |
| 04:23.11 | Gigantic | Ed is dead |
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| 04:23.40 | peterS | I think you're confusing "something which technically can edit text files, and which Unix people expect to be installed" with "something which Unix people expect to be installed, and which really is intended for editing text files" |
| 04:24.10 | peterS | ed would be the former, we all expect to have it available but we only use it as a 'patch' backend, not for actual interactive use |
| 04:24.18 | metbsd | well, maybe i'm too used to UNIX and bsds |
| 04:24.25 | metbsd | they have vi as default |
| 04:24.26 | peterS | (see 'diff -e') |
| 04:24.50 | peterS | metbsd: how did you manage to get a system without nvi installed? debian-installer should have installed it by default, so you'd have to remove it manually |
| 04:25.04 | metbsd | dam |
| 04:25.07 | metbsd | how do i exit ed? |
| 04:25.14 | peterS | q |
| 04:25.16 | peterS | I think |
| 04:25.41 | metbsd | i've no nvi |
| 04:25.46 | hark | nvi is 'Priority: optional' here |
| 04:25.49 | Jebediah | I'm probably the only guy who still uses nano, lol |
| 04:26.05 | peterS | nah, nano isn't just used by women |
| 04:26.22 | Gigantic | peterS: ecuse moi? |
| 04:26.28 | CompWizrd | it took me awhile to realize how much nicer nano was than pico :) |
| 04:26.32 | metbsd | there is no woman here |
| 04:26.39 | peterS | Jebediah: that's what I'm saying - you seem to think that besides you, only women use nano. I don't believe this is true. |
| 04:26.42 | Jebediah | well nano is totally free, pico is not IIRC |
| 04:26.47 | Gigantic | metbsd: think twice |
| 04:26.55 | CompWizrd | nano had search and replace, that was my main reason for switching |
| 04:26.58 | Guerin | metbsd: no need to tell us about your life |
| 04:27.00 | Jebediah | peterS: lol, oh. It's been a looooooooong day |
| 04:27.12 | metbsd | ok, there probably are some ugly women in this channel |
| 04:27.15 | CompWizrd | all i need now is a mail client that can handle large mbox's |
| 04:27.19 | CompWizrd | command line |
| 04:27.31 | peterS | metbsd: there was no need for that |
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| 04:27.58 | peterS | metbsd: I mean there are probably some people in here with bad breath, but there's no need to speculate about that either |
| 04:28.00 | Gigantic | * and then put him on the WC and flush |
| 04:28.37 | metbsd | i was just joking, if there were women here, they must be as good looking as debian |
| 04:28.53 | metbsd | does that smell better from my mouth? |
| 04:28.59 | Gigantic | CompWizrd: mail ? |
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| 04:30.05 | wyrm | phix.... |
| 04:30.06 | CompWizrd | Gigantic: ok, something with a bit more userfriendlyness :) |
| 04:30.15 | CompWizrd | besides, i don't remember if mail can handle mbox's over 4gb either :) |
| 04:30.16 | wyrm | the noip work and the apache too |
| 04:30.22 | wyrm | but don't work ssh |
| 04:30.31 | wyrm | i don't know why... |
| 04:30.47 | metbsd | how do i restart network interfaces? |
| 04:31.02 | peterS | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 04:31.10 | peterS | or 'ifdown eth0; ifup eth0' etc. |
| 04:31.13 | Gigantic | wols_: http://www.linux.it/~napo/uploads/Home/Debian-girl.jpg |
| 04:31.37 | wyrm | metbsd ifconfig eth0 down |
| 04:31.41 | wyrm | that work too |
| 04:31.51 | metbsd | how do i install ethtool |
| 04:32.02 | metbsd | i can't bring up any eth* because of lacking ethtool |
| 04:32.03 | peterS | how do you install any other package? |
| 04:32.06 | Gigantic | wols_: tho I think you'd prefer BSD girls: http://mbrix.dk/files/linux_chicks/freebsd_girl4.jpg |
| 04:32.14 | metbsd | aptitude install |
| 04:32.15 | aptitude | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 04:32.16 | peterS | ethtool is just a package like any other |
| 04:32.30 | ricky | Conveniently, it's named ethtool :) |
| 04:32.32 | metbsd | i've no network connection |
| 04:32.46 | peterS | then install from CD, or via sneakernet |
| 04:32.57 | peterS | (this is why we have 'dpkg -i packagename.deb') |
| 04:33.01 | ricky | Hehe- sneakernet. |
| 04:33.14 | metbsd | the package name for ethtool is? |
| 04:33.20 | peterS | sneakernet, these days, means copying a .deb file to a machine via a USB flash disk |
| 04:33.23 | wols_ | !tell metbsd about search |
| 04:33.35 | peterS | metbsd: why don't you 'apt-cache search ethtool' to find the package name? |
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| 04:34.10 | peterS | sneakernet used to mean a floppy disk, but nobody has those anymore |
| 04:34.16 | wols_ | peterS: how when he doesn't have a network and possibly used netinst? |
| 04:34.40 | sandman | Is it generally okay to use UTF-8 as the default locale for my environment? |
| 04:34.51 | peterS | sandman: most apps will work fine these days |
| 04:35.07 | sandman | peterS: Do you use Xen? |
| 04:35.09 | peterS | sandman: a notable exception I heard about is elvis, the vi editor implementation that you probably have never even seen |
| 04:35.10 | cafuego | I have a usb floppy drive, for proper oldfashioned sneakernet |
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| 04:35.39 | metbsd | so where the package locatd |
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| 04:35.44 | CompWizrd | i've found usb floppy drives are faster than standard ones, that's always an added bonus |
| 04:35.57 | metbsd | can i cd to package directory and add whatever i want in cd? |
| 04:35.59 | peterS | metbsd: try http://packages.debian.org/ethtool |
| 04:35.59 | wyrm | guys, who know a way to connect to a server without SSH? |
| 04:36.03 | Jebediah | superdrives were faster too ;) |
| 04:36.11 | metbsd | ive no network connection |
| 04:36.21 | peterS | metbsd: how are you using irc then? |
| 04:36.23 | wols_ | metbsd: that is wrong. you are online right now |
| 04:36.24 | cafuego | It's not an 80Mb/sec usb2 floppy drive |
| 04:36.27 | CompWizrd | and a lot easier to use, i keep one plugged into the side of my monitor at work.. seeing as how the floppy drive in the PC finally died |
| 04:36.36 | metbsd | diff computer... genius |
| 04:36.45 | wyrm | cafuego, hablas español?' |
| 04:36.46 | metbsd | i'm in kvm |
| 04:36.50 | peterS | metbsd: does your diff computer have a web browser ... genius? |
| 04:36.55 | Jebediah | sandman: I'm running UTF-8 environ here... no problems but did have to use tools to convert some files and change some settings in apps like apache |
| 04:36.55 | cafuego | metbsd: So downlaod the deb on that pc, then move it, smart-arse. |
| 04:37.02 | wols_ | peterS: if he knew how to use it... |
| 04:37.09 | cafuego | wyrm: Waarom zou ik dat doen? |
| 04:37.24 | metbsd | i'm on that debian box via kvm |
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| 04:37.38 | metbsd | so.. |
| 04:37.53 | wyrm | cafuego, that what languaje is? |
| 04:38.11 | cafuego | wyrm: Sorry, you don't get to ask that question, you started it. |
| 04:38.17 | peterS | metbsd: I just spent 5 minutes explaining what I meant by sneakernet. are you saying you weren't paying attention to _any_ of it? I give up. |
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| 04:38.22 | sandman | Hm. Why is the wine version in Etch 0.9.35, while the version in Testing/Unstable is 0.9.34? |
| 04:38.29 | wyrm | xD |
| 04:38.30 | wols_ | peterS: welcome to metbsd's reality |
| 04:38.31 | sandman | Odd for the Stable version to have the latest version :) |
| 04:38.44 | wyrm | cafuego, i say in spanish "you speak spanish?" |
| 04:38.44 | peterS | sandman: perhaps you're misreading "0.9.25" |
| 04:38.50 | metbsd | the box is at another side of earth.. |
| 04:38.55 | CompWizrd | sandman: looks like a 25 to me |
| 04:39.02 | metbsd | im connecting to it via their kvm controller |
| 04:39.05 | sandman | ah |
| 04:39.05 | cafuego | wyrm: And I said in dutch "Why would I do that?" |
| 04:39.10 | sandman | I'm with stupid. |
| 04:39.12 | wyrm | xD |
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| 04:39.27 | wyrm | cafuego, how many languajes you know? |
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| 04:39.36 | wols_ | wyrm: do you have a debian question? |
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| 04:39.43 | cafuego | wyrm: about 5, not counting programming languages |
| 04:39.53 | metbsd | so i edit sources.list to make apt-get to use cd? |
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| 04:40.01 | CompWizrd | cafuego: how many of them are dead? |
| 04:40.07 | cafuego | CompWizrd: None |
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| 04:40.18 | peterS | metbsd: if you don't have physical access to the computer you're installing Debian on, and you don't have network access from it either, then I guess you're screwed. nothing you can do if you can't insert either a USB flash drive with a .deb file on it, or a CD-ROM with a .deb file on it |
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| 04:40.21 | cafuego | CompWizrd: Besides, I can't rememebr my altin, so i didn't count it. |
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| 04:40.44 | metbsd | no, i have debian cd in it |
| 04:40.55 | metbsd | i think i only need ethtool |
| 04:41.02 | peterS | ethtool is a package. install it. |
| 04:41.03 | wyrm | wols, no thanks! |
| 04:41.09 | yq | ethtool is what? |
| 04:41.14 | wyrm | really thanks :P |
| 04:41.14 | sandman | Okay. So I've got Xen installed with Etch as dom0, Testing/Unstable pinned on Testing in domU. It appears that the only method to communicate with the domU is via VNC or SSH, however. |
| 04:41.16 | sandman | Is this true? |
| 04:41.17 | cafuego | !info ethtool |
| 04:41.18 | peterS | yq: I wasn't talking to you |
| 04:41.19 | dpkg | ethtool: (display or change ethernet card settings), section utils, is extra. Version: 5-2 (sid), Packaged size: 48 kB, Installed size: 168 kB |
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| 04:41.35 | cafuego | sandman: console |
| 04:41.42 | sandman | cafuego: Right, xm console |
| 04:41.44 | cafuego | sandman: xm console <domU> |
| 04:41.45 | yq | oh,i know |
| 04:41.45 | wols_ | sandman: how else do you propse to communicate? |
| 04:41.46 | sandman | That, too :) |
| 04:41.48 | metbsd | is it something like cd: blabla.. in sources.list |
| 04:42.06 | wols_ | metbsd: man sources.list |
| 04:42.07 | peterS | metbsd: if you installed from the CD, it should already be in sources.list. if not, well, run apt-setup |
| 04:42.20 | wols_ | peterS: what apt-setup do you speak of? |
| 04:42.23 | sandman | Well, I was just thinking that it would be possible to start an X session with it on :1 |
| 04:42.24 | peterS | metbsd: or just search the CD for pool/main/e/ethtool/ and find a .deb file ther |
| 04:42.25 | sandman | or something. |
| 04:42.26 | peterS | there |
| 04:42.43 | cafuego | sandman: No, :1 is localhost, the domU is *not* localhost. |
| 04:42.45 | peterS | wols_: what, is it no longer shipped? |
| 04:42.56 | wols_ | peterS: not in etch |
| 04:43.03 | cafuego | sandman: You can of course run xdmcp on the domU and then connect to it. |
| 04:43.07 | peterS | wols_: then why don't you answer his question |
| 04:43.08 | sandman | cafuego: Well, if that's the case... what resources _does_ the domU share with dom0? |
| 04:43.14 | wols_ | !tell peterS about apt-setup |
| 04:43.18 | cafuego | sandman: exactly none |
| 04:43.24 | peterS | wols_: instead of being snarky with me and leaving him in the dark |
| 04:43.24 | wols_ | peterS: cause you were doing a good job. and I did |
| 04:43.27 | sandman | cafuego: Just the CPU? |
| 04:43.33 | sandman | cafuego: How about this VMGL? |
| 04:43.44 | yq | how can i install oracle for debian? |
| 04:43.47 | cafuego | sandman: It shares that via the hypervisor, not really with dom0 |
| 04:43.54 | level1 | Hi, I'm running a debian install under qemu... the install comes from debootstrap, and some of the command line text is garbled: http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot2hl5.png |
| 04:43.56 | peterS | yq: oracle isn't free software, so you'll have to ask them, not us |
| 04:44.08 | cafuego | sandman: To all intents and purposes, the domU is a remote machine. |
| 04:44.26 | cafuego | So treat it as you would any other remote machine. |
| 04:44.31 | sandman | cafuego: It's all coming clear, now. And so it comes down to this: Xen is basically a very fast VM. Nothing really super-special, aside from the fact that it's very fast. |
| 04:44.33 | yq | what about pg? |
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| 04:44.47 | wols_ | !tell yq about search |
| 04:44.49 | peterS | yq: aptitude install postgresql |
| 04:44.52 | wols_ | and you install it like any other deb package |
| 04:44.54 | cafuego | sandman: pretty much, yes |
| 04:45.22 | wols_ | sandman: it also happens to be Free software which makes it special |
| 04:45.31 | wols_ | especially compared to VMware |
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| 04:45.36 | yq | ok,thanks,i will search this on google |
| 04:45.45 | wyrm | wols_ i have a question now... |
| 04:46.01 | wyrm | i recently restart my server with ssh (remote installed) |
| 04:46.17 | wyrm | so now i see it's works |
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| 04:46.27 | wyrm | but i don't have SSH |
| 04:46.32 | wols_ | !enter |
| 04:46.32 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying, and scrolls our windows extraneously. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. We'll be more inclined to help you if you are considerate! |
| 04:46.33 | wyrm | and i can't connect to them |
| 04:46.49 | wyrm | ok sorry |
| 04:47.02 | sandman | Why aren't more people using Xen? This thing is the best virtualization system I've used, by a long shot. |
| 04:47.05 | sandman | The learning curve? |
| 04:47.12 | wols_ | cause it'S new |
| 04:47.28 | wyrm | sandman, Xen VS Qemu? who is better? |
| 04:48.07 | wyrm | wols_ there other way to connect to tty2 without ssh |
| 04:48.08 | phix | wyrm: hi |
| 04:48.14 | wyrm | hi phix |
| 04:48.16 | wyrm | :) |
| 04:48.29 | phix | how you go? |
| 04:48.37 | wyrm | no so bad |
| 04:48.47 | wyrm | no at all well |
| 04:48.59 | wyrm | i don't have the SSHD working... |
| 04:49.06 | metbsd | apt-cdrom add gives me fail to mount cdrom |
| 04:49.12 | sandman | wyrm: I think they both serve their purposes, although maybe Qemu is a bit faster? |
| 04:49.13 | sandman | err |
| 04:49.16 | wyrm | wyrm.servegame.com |
| 04:49.17 | sandman | I mean, Xen is faster :) |
| 04:49.29 | cafuego | sandman: Not as stable as it ought to be |
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| 04:49.39 | wols_ | wyrm: do you have a shell in any way on the machine? |
| 04:49.43 | sandman | cafuego: Xen or Qemu isn't as stable as it ought to be? |
| 04:49.52 | wyrm | sandman, i read something about qemu and virtualbox it's the same faster or like Xen |
| 04:50.02 | cafuego | sandman: both |
| 04:50.09 | wyrm | uhmm OpenShell you mena? |
| 04:50.12 | wyrm | mean* |
| 04:50.21 | sandman | cafuego: I've been running Xen for about 3 days now... hasn't done anything rash, yet. |
| 04:50.36 | wols_ | no I mean a shell of any kind. to edit files and start/stop programs and daemons |
| 04:50.45 | King_Brad | okay, i have a remote server, i want to make an exact image of the hard drives (kind of like what nortons ghost does) so that i can install that image in a vmware virtual machine so i can do tests and stuff like that without screwing up the real server.... is this possable with just the packaes debian has, or what do i need todo? |
| 04:51.03 | wols_ | King_Brad: man dd |
| 04:51.06 | wyrm | i don't understand at all what are you saying |
| 04:51.07 | King_Brad | ty |
| 04:51.13 | cafuego | sandman: I've had the odd kernel oops |
| 04:51.18 | wols_ | wyrm: do you know what a shell is? |
| 04:51.25 | cafuego | I'm not sure it's because it's an SMP system though |
| 04:51.26 | phix | wyrm: aawww |
| 04:51.44 | wyrm | i don't know what is technically |
| 04:51.57 | wols_ | do you have a prompt with $ or #? |
| 04:51.57 | wyrm | but i know i can run my commands and programs |
| 04:52.03 | wols_ | or rather: can you get one with that machine? |
| 04:52.06 | wyrm | now i don't have |
| 04:52.15 | wols_ | then you are screwed |
| 04:52.17 | wyrm | when i restart the server i leave that |
| 04:52.31 | wyrm | but the server have in rc.local |
| 04:52.42 | wols_ | what does the server have in rc.local? |
| 04:52.44 | wyrm | /etc/init.d/sshd start |
| 04:52.51 | wyrm | but don't work... |
| 04:52.58 | wyrm | that is the problem |
| 04:53.07 | wols_ | that is a strange way to start sshd. |
| 04:53.09 | phix | a shell reads from stdin, interprets entered in commands |
| 04:53.22 | wyrm | but work xD |
| 04:53.25 | sandman | cafuego: by kernel, do you mean the linux kernel, or the hypervisor sends the oops? |
| 04:53.32 | wols_ | and unless you can get a shell on the machine or at least can edit its root owned files: it will not work |
| 04:53.39 | wyrm | in this case fail... |
| 04:53.44 | cafuego | sandman: dom0 |
| 04:53.58 | wols_ | phix: no |
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| 04:54.14 | phix | wols_: aawww |
| 04:54.17 | wyrm | :( |
| 04:54.25 | WALoeIII | anyone know of an ace addon that will help me manage trinkets and combustion cooldowns |
| 04:54.32 | phix | wols_: it does that :) |
| 04:54.35 | phix | plus more |
| 04:54.37 | WALoeIII | put numbers on my bartender bars and that type of thing? |
| 04:54.41 | wols_ | phix: it does more than that |
| 04:54.45 | WALoeIII | wrong chan! |
| 04:54.46 | WALoeIII | ha |
| 04:54.48 | sandman | cafuego: Hm. Interesting. What's your experience with Qemu like? From what I understand, both Qemu and Xen are extraordinarily fast. |
| 04:55.00 | cafuego | sandman: I'd not used qemu at all |
| 04:55.10 | phix | wols_: yes it reads cofiguration files, plus more :) |
| 04:55.11 | wyrm | phix... |
| 04:55.17 | wyrm | maybe was not sshd |
| 04:55.19 | wyrm | only ssh |
| 04:55.20 | wyrm | ... |
| 04:55.23 | wyrm | ajajaaj |
| 04:55.24 | wyrm | xD |
| 04:55.30 | phix | do you have sshd installed? |
| 04:55.35 | wyrm | yea |
| 04:55.45 | phix | do you have a firewall blocking it? |
| 04:55.50 | wyrm | nop |
| 04:56.04 | wols_ | wyrm: what error messages? |
| 04:56.06 | phix | so you cannot ssh to me? |
| 04:56.06 | wyrm | i don't really secure about was sshd or ssh |
| 04:56.10 | phix | me = it |
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| 04:56.26 | phix | wyrm: same thing |
| 04:56.31 | phix | package name that is |
| 04:56.37 | phix | command wise they are different |
| 04:56.39 | metbsd | apt-cdrom does not work, what a piece of shit |
| 04:56.51 | wyrm | uhmm... i install a package called ssh |
| 04:57.07 | wyrm | that server it's running PCLinuxOS |
| 04:57.09 | phix | wyrm: did you select yes when it asked you to run it as a server too ? |
| 04:57.11 | wyrm | bassed in Mandriva |
| 04:57.23 | wyrm | yeah |
| 04:57.32 | wyrm | i mean... the problem |
| 04:57.35 | wyrm | was not other |
| 04:57.35 | Guerin | wyrm: you're running mandrivelo? |
| 04:57.37 | wols_ | wyrm: you are OT here then |
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| 04:57.44 | wyrm | only the name of the call in rc.local |
| 04:57.52 | Guerin | !pal wyrm |
| 04:58.05 | wyrm | so if i put /etc/init.d/sshd start |
| 04:58.09 | wols_ | !pclinuxos |
| 04:58.10 | wyrm | maybe i put that |
| 04:58.15 | Guerin | !htfswk wyrm |
| 04:58.15 | dpkg | wyrm: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 04:58.15 | phix | wyrm: wtf |
| 04:58.25 | phix | wyrm: you shouldn't have to do that |
| 04:58.27 | Guerin | !irritate wyrm |
| 04:58.28 | dpkg | wyrm: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how can I make my knoppix werkz ????? |
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| 04:58.33 | wyrm | but maybe the rprogram was /etc/init.d/sshd XD |
| 04:58.37 | wyrm | sshd |
| 04:58.38 | wyrm | xd |
| 04:58.40 | wyrm | ssh |
| 04:58.42 | wols_ | wyrm: let me get this straight: you ask a #debian channel about mandriva? |
| 04:58.46 | Guerin | someone else take over twith the ridicule, I have to get beer |
| 04:58.46 | wols_ | !enter |
| 04:58.46 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying, and scrolls our windows extraneously. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. We'll be more inclined to help you if you are considerate! |
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| 04:59.18 | wyrm | that it's no so important in this case |
| 04:59.21 | grew | sure it is |
| 04:59.22 | grew | :D |
| 04:59.30 | wols_ | wyrm: it is. WE DO NOT SUPPORET IT. now piss the fuck off |
| 04:59.31 | wyrm | any commands work wells in any distro |
| 04:59.38 | Guerin | wyrm: bullshit |
| 04:59.40 | wols_ | we support debian only |
| 04:59.48 | phix | wyrm: nope, distros are different |
| 04:59.54 | wyrm | a ok, i use in this pc DEbian 4.0 :P |
| 04:59.55 | wyrm | jejeje |
| 04:59.56 | wyrm | xD |
| 05:00.03 | wols_ | wyrm: it doesn't matter. now go awaay |
| 05:00.04 | Guerin | wyrm: fuck off and die in a fire |
| 05:00.12 | wyrm | xD |
| 05:00.17 | wyrm | damn... |
| 05:00.33 | phix | wyrm: perhaps you should ask in #linux or #mandriva |
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| 05:01.07 | phix | what wasn't nice |
| 05:01.30 | dondelelcaro | folks, you don't need to go crazy; just inform someone that we don't support whatever distribution they're using, and /ignore them if they persist. |
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| 05:01.38 | dondelelcaro | optionally call for an operator if they're abusive. |
| 05:02.17 | phix | dondelelcaro: agreed |
| 05:02.27 | level1 | On my debootstrap install, I'm running it in chroot to install stuff and configure stuff... it's printing some error messages after just about ever command, but the commands themselves seem to complete... I only report this because I'm having other issues, and I'm not sure if they're related |
| 05:02.40 | dondelelcaro | level1: what is the error message? |
| 05:02.46 | level1 | the error messages go like: "perl: warning: Setting locale failed." |
| 05:02.50 | level1 | and such |
| 05:02.53 | dondelelcaro | level1: heh. ignore those |
| 05:03.02 | level1 | okay |
| 05:03.03 | wols_ | level1: and set your locales properly |
| 05:03.08 | wols_ | !tell level1 about locale |
| 05:03.12 | wols_ | level1: warnings are not errors |
| 05:03.16 | dondelelcaro | level1: it's just a warning from perl telling you that you haven't build whatever locale you're using; you can go unset LANG LC_ALL LANGUAGE; and it should be |
| 05:03.22 | dondelelcaro | s/be/& ok/ |
| 05:03.25 | b0nn | hi all, I am trying to install a printer on debian etch. I am using the kde add printer thingy. The module detects the printer ok, but when it comes to selecting the drivers I am given a blank page. I have also installed the drivers (apt-get install ijsgimprint) |
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| 05:03.50 | level1 | dondelelcaro: lol, i didn't know you could do that in regular expressions... I learn something new |
| 05:03.52 | dondelelcaro | b0nn: do you have cupsys install? You should just be able to go to http://localhost:631/ to add the printer |
| 05:04.42 | b0nn | beauty :-) |
| 05:04.46 | b0nn | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 05:04.57 | level1 | well, the problem is that when I run it in qemu, some (not all) of the console output is garbage, completely unreadable... I posted a screenshot a while back |
| 05:06.16 | level1 | http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot2hl5.png <- what does this look like to you? improper unicode configuration? |
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| 05:06.48 | Varanger | hi |
| 05:06.59 | level1 | I get garbage like that in apt too |
| 05:07.06 | dondelelcaro | level1: nah, it just looks like the console outputed some characters that it didn't like. just type reset |
| 05:07.08 | Varanger | How can I install a specific version of a package?? By default, apt installs the last one |
| 05:07.18 | dondelelcaro | Varanger: apt-get install foopkg=fooversion; man apt-get |
| 05:07.35 | dondelelcaro | Varanger: though you'll probably find aptitude; and its curses frontend to be easier |
| 05:07.55 | b0nn | grr, canon is not listed in the manufacturers list |
| 05:08.38 | wols_ | level1: did you use any other keys on your keyboard than letters, numbers and punctuation? |
| 05:08.38 | Varanger | thanks dondelelcaro, I should have moved before, but I am stuck with apt :) |
| 05:08.38 | Varanger | :( |
| 05:08.38 | dondelelcaro | b0nn: you should be abel to specify the PPD |
| 05:08.38 | metbsd | apt-cdrom ident failed to mount cdrom, but i can mount it manually, whats wrong? |
| 05:09.45 | wols_ | metbsd:telling us erro messages is not optional. and neither is the data relevant tot he command creating the error messages |
| 05:09.58 | b0nn | dondelelcaro: Hmm yeah it says I can, but what do I specify? |
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| 05:10.16 | metbsd | command is: apt-cdrom ident |
| 05:10.16 | b0nn | . |
| 05:10.20 | level1 | wols_: I have an unusual keyboard configuration... I use dvorak and I swap my capslock and backspace keys using xmodmap... qemu, however, gives me qwerty, and it set the backspace key to *both* capslock and backspace... I can work around it (I'm just getting my usb drive bootable so I can use it proper), but would you say its causing this? |
| 05:10.34 | metbsd | output is: E: Failed to mount the cdrom |
| 05:10.40 | metbsd | mount /cdrom is successful |
| 05:10.41 | dondelelcaro | b0nn: download the PPD for your printer, and then browse to it |
| 05:10.41 | wols_ | level1: might be, I dunno |
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| 05:11.03 | wols_ | metbsd: what is the cdrom device file? |
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| 05:11.33 | b0nn | dondelelcaro: sorry, this is over my head |
| 05:11.34 | metbsd | wols_, this is the weird part, ik can mount both /dev/hda and /dev/cdrom |
| 05:11.46 | b0nn | dondelelcaro: have you got a link that will hold my hand? |
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| 05:12.45 | karsten | level1: That could be unicode issues or just plain binary garbage to your console. Possibly bad terminal settings. |
| 05:13.26 | level1 | karsten: how do I reconfigure terminal settings? is it dpkg-reconfigure console-data? |
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| 05:13.56 | karsten | b0nn: http://localhost:631/ should have a "help" link. There's solid docs there. |
| 05:14.23 | karsten | level1: Try "reset<enter>" and/or "stty sane<enter>" and see if that clears anything up. |
| 05:14.25 | metbsd | can you cut and copy the sources.lit about cdrom? wols_ |
| 05:14.43 | level1 | how do I change virtual terminals in qemu? its impossible to type ctrl-alt-F7 when ctrl-alt causes qemu to stop accepting new keyboard input |
| 05:14.51 | karsten | level1: Also if you can reset your locale to "C" it may help. |
| 05:15.12 | karsten | level1: sendkey (ctrl-2 IIRC, see qemu manpage). |
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| 05:16.06 | karsten | level1: C-A-2 == command console (the qemu console, not the guest machine console). |
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| 05:16.45 | karsten | level1: C-a C-a <n> may work to change guest consoles (guest, not qemu). |
| 05:17.21 | level1 | karsten: which is the guest? is that the "real" machine as opposed to the one qemu is emulating? |
| 05:17.24 | wols_ | metbsd: what makes you think I have cdrom in my sources.list? |
| 05:17.31 | karsten | level1: No. |
| 05:17.41 | metbsd | so can you help me? wols_ |
| 05:17.45 | metbsd | or not |
| 05:17.54 | karsten | level1: You can also launch qemu with one or more serial ports directed to a pty and connect to that with either screen or minicom. |
| 05:18.35 | karsten | level1: host == the system on which you're runing qemu. "qemu" = the qemu instance, which includes its own console for interacting with the system. "guest" == the system being run within qemu. |
| 05:19.02 | metbsd | wols_, stop wasting my time fuckhead if you can't help, why not just ignore me |
| 05:19.24 | level1 | karte |
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| 05:20.09 | level1 | karsten: when you say C-a-2 what do you mean? Ctrl+A+2 or Ctrl+Alt+2 or Ctrl+A+F2? |
| 05:20.09 | level1 | or what? |
| 05:20.13 | karsten | metbsd: Show some gratitude. |
| 05:20.48 | karsten | level1: C == control A == alt. Emacs syntax. C-A <key> == <ctrl><alt> <some other key> |
| 05:20.59 | metbsd | i always do |
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| 05:21.08 | sandman | karsten: Does Qemu run about as fast as Xen? |
| 05:21.10 | wols_ | you are an ignorant fool |
| 05:21.12 | karsten | level1: C-a == <ctrl>-a not <ctrl><alt> |
| 05:21.17 | karsten | sandman: No. Slower. |
| 05:21.21 | cafuego | karsten: so you delete emacs via <ctrl><alt><del> ? |
| 05:21.23 | karsten | wols_: Drop it. |
| 05:21.56 | karsten | cafuego: No, *I* delete emacs with "ln -sf /usr/bin/vim /usr/bin/emacs |
| 05:21.59 | karsten | " |
| 05:22.03 | level1 | karsten: does'nt seem to work... this is in the little "qemu" window, right? the guest machine? |
| 05:22.05 | cafuego | <heh> goo'boy |
| 05:23.04 | karsten | cafuego: A few months ago I had the opportunity to set up a system RMS might use on a visit. |
| 05:23.04 | level1 | karsten: that was funny... I litterally laughed out loud |
| 05:23.08 | metbsd | asking a question without answering is better than your smart comment such as " what makes you think I have cdrom in my sources.list?" |
| 05:23.13 | karsten | cafuego: Naturally, I aliased emacs to vim. |
| 05:23.16 | karsten | level1: ;-) |
| 05:23.22 | metbsd | what's the point of fucking each other when im here just for help |
| 05:23.57 | level1 | does #debian have a langauge rule? |
| 05:23.57 | wols_ | that is not the case. you are here for handholding and spoonfeeding |
| 05:23.58 | karsten | metbsd: You're not going to goad people into helping you. |
| 05:23.58 | cafuego | metbsd: why don't *you* just ignore wols_ then? |
| 05:24.00 | wols_ | and peterS gave you the solution to your problem about an hour ago |
| 05:24.12 | metbsd | cuz i thought he wanted to help me. so i was talking to him seriously |
| 05:24.14 | wols_ | level1: yes. english :) |
| 05:24.16 | karsten | metbsd: Ask your question. If you get an answer, great, if not, /msg dpkg repeat. Maybe somewhere else is better suited. |
| 05:24.21 | level1 | wols_: I mean swearing |
| 05:24.39 | cafuego | level1: yes, in english please |
| 05:24.40 | wols_ | not that I know of. but crapflooding trolls get banned |
| 05:24.44 | wols_ | this is not #ubuntu :) |
| 05:25.04 | wols_ | cafuego: damn! I'd love to see swearing in dutch :) |
| 05:25.40 | karsten | metbsd: That said, whinging about this is going to convince others to /ignore you as well. I don't believe in abuse by regulars, but I don't cotton to abuse of them (and the channel) either. |
| 05:25.40 | cafuego | wols_: daar kun je dan goddomme fijn op blijven wachten |
| 05:25.56 | wols_ | cafuego: yeah baby! give it to me! |
| 05:26.11 | metbsd | whatever, i want to drop this conversation and get back to help |
| 05:26.15 | sandman | karsten: Even with the kernel module? |
| 05:26.25 | karsten | sandman: ?? |
| 05:26.40 | peterS | metbsd: that is your basic problem. your attitude is "I am just here to get help". this gives you a sense of entitlement, such that when you don't get the help you need, you feel like we owe you something |
| 05:27.02 | metbsd | like. apt-cdrom add is supposed to add /cdrom to my sources.list? but it keeps giving me E: failed to mount cdrom |
| 05:27.02 | karsten | peterS: Well, #debian *does* come with a 100% money-back guarantee. |
| 05:27.18 | metbsd | you are right, peterS, my bad |
| 05:27.19 | sandman | karsten: I was wondering how much faster Xen ran versus Qemu when it had the kernel module loaded |
| 05:27.23 | wols_ | karsten: can I change that to a 10=% pony back one? |
| 05:27.30 | karsten | sandman: Ah. No idea. |
| 05:27.35 | wols_ | *100% |
| 05:27.44 | level1 | I wish I know swearing in japanese... 日本語ãŒã‚ã‹ã‚Šã¾ã™ã€ã§ã‚‚　ã¡ã‚‡ã¨ã… |
| 05:27.45 | peterS | metbsd: as wols_ said, I did mention an hour ago that you could just find the .deb file on the CD and install it by hand, with dpkg -i. this would probably be less trouble than getting the CD recognised by apt-cdrom |
| 05:28.07 | metbsd | where are all the .deb files store in cdrom? |
| 05:28.10 | karsten | sandman: I benchmarked Xen for Xensource using specjbb (slightly older version, 2000? 2001?). Overhead was 2-4%. |
| 05:28.14 | peterS | metbsd: under debian/pool |
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| 05:28.21 | wols_ | metbsd: find /cdrom -name ethtool* |
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| 05:28.30 | karsten | sandman: ... which you can replicate on qemu if you want. Just spec the same number of virtual CPUs and RAM. |
| 05:28.34 | b0nn | level1: you just asked for a goats hand in marriage |
| 05:28.34 | peterS | there aren't that many directories on the CD, it shouldn't have been all that hard to figure it out |
| 05:28.56 | level1 | b0nn: I happen to know I didn't... ã°ã‹ |
| 05:28.58 | karsten | metbsd: find <cdrom mountpath> -name \*.deb |
| 05:29.19 | karsten | metbsd: We strongly recommend a high degree of self-reliance. |
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| 05:29.40 | b0nn | level1: I know, but it was fun whilst it lasted |
| 05:30.12 | metbsd | find /cdrom -name "*.deb" returns nothing |
| 05:30.13 | level1 | karsten: does qemu even support multiple terminals? I tried "sudo kdm" and it didn't do anything |
| 05:30.19 | wols_ | level1: japanese language must be strange when it's totally made of "?". is that like the programming language whitespace? |
| 05:30.28 | b0nn | my bet is the cdrom isnt mounted |
| 05:30.39 | peterS | wols_: I suspect the ? are characters which your IRC client doesn't believe it can display on your terminal |
| 05:30.47 | level1 | wols_: thats your computer's problem, not mine...it shows up fine in my compy |
| 05:30.55 | wols_ | peterS: I know. but it'S fun to pretend :) |
| 05:31.00 | metbsd | it's debian 4.0 installation cd, well mounted |
| 05:31.04 | karsten | level1: Um, if you're asking what I think you are, yes. |
| 05:31.09 | metbsd | ls |
| 05:31.23 | karsten | level1: You'll need to configure the X server. Better is to run remote X (either forwarding or VNC or NX). |
| 05:31.25 | metbsd | ls |
| 05:31.32 | wols_ | metbsd: wrong window |
| 05:32.04 | peterS | metbsd: then there will be .deb files on it. make sure you're actually checking the mount point |
| 05:32.21 | level1 | karsten: how do I do that? Is it "easy?" I don't need it to run fast, or even well, I just need to verify it works so I can boot into without having to reboot and figure out what I did wrong |
| 05:32.48 | metbsd | where would ethtool be stored? |
| 05:32.55 | peterS | find it |
| 05:33.05 | peterS | look in the directory I told you about |
| 05:33.11 | karsten | level1: sec |
| 05:33.13 | peterS | the scheme should be pretty obvious, even to a BSD person |
| 05:33.34 | karsten | level1: I've learned and forgotten this several times. RTFM for the most part. |
| 05:33.49 | peterS | I don't know, however, whether ethtool is on CD 1. you may need CD 2 or CD 3 |
| 05:34.14 | karsten | level1: "--serial <dev>" is what you want I think. |
| 05:35.01 | metbsd | something is very wrong with my system |
| 05:35.10 | karsten | !doesn't work |
| 05:35.11 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 05:35.29 | Marco | How can I ditch grub2 and install grub legacy? |
| 05:35.32 | level1 | !reconfigure X |
| 05:35.33 | dpkg | somebody said reconfigure x was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and answer the questions. If you don't know what hardware you have, you can use discover, read-edid and mdetect hardware detecting tools to help you. If you don't know how they work, read their manpages "man <program>". |
| 05:35.35 | karsten | metbsd: Stop whinging. Be specific. Post useful information. I'm done with you. |
| 05:35.54 | piztek | are there any voice programs for yahoo? |
| 05:36.04 | peterS | I find it hard to believe this guy survived in the BSD world, with his level of competence and initiative |
| 05:36.09 | karsten | piztek: Define "voice programs" |
| 05:36.26 | karsten | peterS: Do me the favor of prefixing his name to your statements so I don't have to see 'em ;-) |
| 05:36.27 | piztek | karsten: a program that lets you use voice chat on yahoo |
| 05:36.30 | level1 | my hardware is very fussy... (its got an ati card and god knows what else)... but I want X to work when I plug this usb drive into other computers... is that possible? |
| 05:36.37 | metbsd | i use netbsd btw |
| 05:36.55 | peterS | I know you do, I just can't figure out how you manage to |
| 05:37.06 | piztek | level1: what does a usb drive have to do with x working? |
| 05:37.10 | piztek | x is the window system |
| 05:37.26 | metbsd | netbsd is easier to work with |
| 05:37.40 | level1 | piztek: I want the same X to work with a few different computers, thats why I asked |
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| 05:37.59 | level1 | like, if I have fglrx installed, will it screw up non-ati computers? |
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| 05:38.11 | peterS | level1: only if you tell xorg.conf to use it |
| 05:39.14 | peterS | then again, fglrx does have a kernel component that runs non-free crap in kernel space. so who knows, maybe it will screw up _any_ computer it's installed on |
| 05:39.38 | peterS | hard to make any guarantees or even educated guesses about that sort of situation |
| 05:39.45 | MangosDebian | karsten: Ive always considered a nice ignore mod to allow you to see perhap all XXXXX'd version of someone ignore'd message, but with your nick name visvible in any of that persons messages to detect when they mention your name. ie: "< bob> xxxxx xx xxxx xxxxxxxx karsten xxx XXXX!" |
| 05:39.54 | level1 | can i reconfigure X from a chroot? |
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| 05:40.19 | peterS | only if X is installed in the chroot |
| 05:40.39 | peterS | the reconfigure doesn't actually run the X server, if that's what you're asking |
| 05:40.45 | piztek | level1: i'm not really sure |
| 05:41.28 | wols_ | level1: use VESA |
| 05:41.53 | wols_ | that will work with prettymuch any videocard from the last 5-10 years |
| 05:41.57 | level1 | how can I figure out the X package I installed? I know I have X, but I don't seem to have the version dpkg mentioned, xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:41.58 | karsten | MangosDebian: Feh, if you're that desperate about it you can log in a second time. |
| 05:42.11 | wols_ | level1: you didn't read all |
| 05:42.14 | karsten | level1: dpkg --get-selections | grep x.*server |
| 05:42.32 | wols_ | level1: you have xserver-xorg |
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| 05:43.04 | level1 | wols_: well, I don't have any package called "xserver-xfree86" |
| 05:43.05 | wols_ | karsten: we're not desperate, we're paranoid. big difference |
| 05:43.25 | wols_ | !tell level1 about drxx |
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| 05:43.40 | MangosDebian | karsten: ? I would think its rather handy to know when someone is gabbing about you or even talking to you still. But was just a suggestion to you, not need to consider a fictional mod desperate in an attempt to ease your ignore list :/ |
| 05:44.03 | karsten | wols: WHO TOLD YOU I'M PARANOID?!! http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/quotes.html |
| 05:44.32 | Shelagh | I'm trying to work out how to use dpkg to do a parallel install. I think I can use the --root=/some/dir and admindir=/another/dir options, but I'm a bit lost really. Has anyone here installed two different versions of the same package and used dpkg (or any other tool) to install it to a different location? |
| 05:44.40 | karsten | MangosDebian: Yeah, I'm just noting that there's a current technical solution available to you. |
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| 05:44.41 | wols_ | dpkg reconfigure x is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xserver and answer the questions. If you don't know what hardware you have, you can use discover, read-edid and mdetect hardware detecting tools to help you. If you don't know how they work, read their manpages "man <program>". |
| 05:44.41 | dpkg | ...but reconfigure x is already something else... |
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| 05:45.11 | MangosDebian | karsten: of course thats more for a chan op who would like to see msg frequency yet not care to follow someone. sorry, meant for op not a regular channel user |
| 05:45.21 | wols_ | dpkg reconfigure x is also From etch (Debian 4.0) onwards it's dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 05:45.21 | dpkg | wols_: okay |
| 05:45.22 | karsten | Shelagh: Um, that's kinda silly. Debian kinda-sorta does relocations. |
| 05:45.23 | Marco | how do debian kernel packages automatically update grub legacy? |
| 05:45.33 | MangosDebian | karsten: for me? wha? Im talking about you here |
| 05:45.43 | Shelagh | karsten: Please explain? |
| 05:45.54 | karsten | Shelagh: 42. |
| 05:45.58 | karsten | MangosDebian: See above. |
| 05:46.03 | MangosDebian | karsten: my logging/ignore solutions are already in place and fine. just thought I would offer you a mod, but nm, sorry to irk ya |
| 05:46.23 | karsten | MangosDebian: Not irked, just irq'd. |
| 05:46.23 | wols_ | MangosDebian: update-grub |
| 05:46.40 | MangosDebian | wols_: ? |
| 05:46.55 | wols_ | MangosDebian: was for marcos |
| 05:47.05 | Marco | wols_, thanks a bunch |
| 05:47.07 | wols_ | Marco: what package is this "grub-legacy"? |
| 05:47.19 | Marco | well, the standard grub |
| 05:47.23 | Marco | is now called grub legacy |
| 05:47.24 | karsten | Shelagh: "relocation" is a term used for RPM. Debian's apt has a roughly equivalent facility that someone here (cafuego? dondelecaro?) mentioned a couple of weeks back. |
| 05:47.28 | Marco | and grub2 is called "grub" |
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| 05:47.32 | Marco | technically at least |
| 05:47.35 | karsten | Shelagh: Best answer I can give is RTFM. |
| 05:47.42 | wols_ | we still call it grub (and there is grub2) |
| 05:47.45 | Shelagh | karsten: I'm trying to install the ooffice-dev stuff from sun-site. They won't install as the packages conflict. So I am trying to install them in another /home/user/ folder. |
| 05:48.16 | karsten | Shelagh: you can use force to override conflicts. |
| 05:48.28 | Shelagh | I did and it seems to say that I can use the option --root=/some /dir. I tried it. |
| 05:48.33 | karsten | Shelagh: Debian doesn't have ooffice-dev? |
| 05:48.35 | Shelagh | but it didn't work. |
| 05:48.57 | piztek | maybe i'll wine yahelite |
| 05:49.10 | level1 | can I configure my usb debian install to prevent too much writing to the drive? I don't want to burn out the usb drive, its flash memory |
| 05:49.16 | Shelagh | karsten: So if I use force it won't over write the normal ooffice installations? |
| 05:49.25 | karsten | level1: mount -o noatime |
| 05:49.28 | Shelagh | I'm trying to install the 2.3 stuff from sun |
| 05:49.40 | cafuego | relocation? |
| 05:49.41 | karsten | level1: There are also some flash-specific filesystems which minimize write cycles. |
| 05:50.18 | karsten | cafuego: That's the RPM term. My comment a few weeks ago was "debian doesn't support relocation" and truth was it does, sorta-kinda. |
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| 05:51.15 | piztek | can window title bar size be defined? |
| 05:51.16 | wols_ | anew spellchecker (or thinner fingers...) too :) |
| 05:51.20 | wols_ | what happened to your old one? |
| 05:51.40 | karsten | piztek: Depends on the window manager. |
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| 05:51.52 | cafuego | old chipset fan is making a godawful buzzsaw like noise |
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| 05:52.09 | wols_ | that's why you only use passive chipset coolers. |
| 05:52.14 | piztek | what other window managers are there besides metacity(not including compiz and beryl) |
| 05:52.27 | cafuego | that's why I'm loooking for a new one |
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| 05:52.29 | karsten | piztek: apt-cache search window manager |
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| 05:53.02 | Shelagh | karsten: I need both versions. I'm trying to do some review work for the authors site but I've set up the normal oofice to be used by my computer-phobic husband. I can't ditch that for an unstable version. |
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| 05:53.03 | necrite_ | i have one server with load average "3" but when i run top.. i dont see any proccess using the cpu....do u have any way to know which proccess is using the cpu? |
| 05:53.09 | wols_ | zalman and thermalright both make some. cost around 5EUR |
| 05:53.14 | karsten | Shelagh: chroot install or VM system would be my next bet. |
| 05:53.29 | piztek | can anyone shed light on wm's? |
| 05:53.30 | karsten | Shelagh: Or you can install from tarball, maybe with stow, to /usr/local. |
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| 05:53.52 | karsten | piztek: http://xwinman.org/ |
| 05:54.07 | level1 | can I have fstab specify a device by label? rather than /dev/sdb1, LABEL=portcompy, is that correct? |
| 05:54.18 | wols_ | !uuid |
| 05:54.19 | dpkg | it has been said that uuid is a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, look in /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. |
| 05:56.24 | Shelagh | karsten: Apparently trying to compile ooffice is quite complicated. Not a simple ./configure && make etc |
| 05:56.24 | karsten | Shelagh: Yeah, that's been a gripe of mine against OOo for, oh, about 8 years now. |
| 05:56.25 | Shelagh | OK a vbox version of ubuntu with half the ram I need. Bu**er! |
| 05:56.25 | tarzeau | popcon.debian.org resolves to what? |
| 05:56.25 | wols_ | 192.25.206.10 |
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| 05:56.25 | tarzeau | wols_: can you http connect to it? |
| 05:56.25 | level1 | wols_: can I have it use any swap it can find automatically, rather than just swap devices mentioned in fstab? |
| 05:56.25 | karsten | tarzeau: Depends. |
| 05:56.25 | Shelagh | karsten: where can I find info on chroot install |
| 05:56.25 | karsten | tarzeau: Buttered or unbuttered popcon? |
| 05:56.25 | tarzeau | karsten: salty for sure :) |
| 05:56.25 | karsten | Shelagh: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 05:56.25 | cafuego | salty chili popcon |
| 05:56.30 | karsten | tarzeau: Welcome back, BTW. |
| 05:56.35 | tarzeau | no *.debian.org works here |
| 05:56.47 | wols_ | level1: afaik no. you can make it by writing an automount script for swap partitions I guess |
| 05:56.56 | karsten | popcon.debian.org aptitude 192.25.206.10 |
| 05:56.57 | tarzeau | cafuego: it's not even 8 am morning and you talk of chili..my stomach |
| 05:57.01 | Shelagh | karsten: OK thanks. |
| 05:57.02 | cafuego | at least one of the www.debian.org's lives |
| 05:57.03 | wols_ | tarzeau: connection timed out |
| 05:57.14 | cafuego | tarzeau: huevos rancheros! |
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| 05:57.16 | tarzeau | planet.debian.org is dead too |
| 05:57.25 | tarzeau | cafuego: i don't understand spanish? |
| 05:57.38 | wols_ | tarzeau: only popcon isn't responding, debian.org and pdo are fine |
| 05:57.47 | cafuego | tarzeau: it's not spanish, it's a braakfast dish |
| 05:57.54 | cafuego | breakfast actually |
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| 05:58.17 | tarzeau | wols_: the qa.debian.org pages are down too? |
| 05:58.48 | fvwm | How to start sawfish in X? Thanks. |
| 05:58.48 | tarzeau | as well as buildd.d.o |
| 05:58.48 | piztek | graphite is uber! |
| 05:58.48 | wols_ | seems like it |
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| 05:58.49 | tarzeau | karsten: where's the red carpet? ;) |
| 05:59.03 | sanelson | this whole waking up thing hurts too much. |
| 05:59.05 | necrite_ | anyone can help me pls ? i have one server with load average "3" but when i run top.. i dont see any proccess using the cpu....do u have any way to know which proccess is using the cpu? |
| 05:59.06 | karsten | fvwm: Most X display managers will give you an option as to what session to start. Or start bare-naked X, get a terminal running (from outside X), and run WMs from the terminal. |
| 05:59.25 | karsten | tarzeau: Careful what you ask for. |
| 05:59.48 | fvwm | I exec sawfish,err:can~t found debian-menu. |
| 05:59.55 | tictac | packages.debian.org seems to work. |
| 06:00.40 | level1 | if you attempt to swap (swapon) a swap partition that is storing a hibernated state of a different OS, will swapon succeed and over write the hibernated data? |
| 06:01.03 | cafuego | level1: yes |
| 06:01.26 | fvwm | 1ã€X;2ã€sawfish --display :0.0;err:can~t found debian-menu; |
| 06:01.28 | tictac | level1: yes. your hibernated data would be gone and you will probably have corrupt filesystems if you ran using the same root/etc as you hibernated with |
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| 06:02.00 | sanelson | necrite_: load average 3 is meaningless - 1) how many cores has the machine 2) how long has it been up 3) whih column has '3' in it? there are three columns. |
| 06:02.14 | piztek | can rounded corners of windows be disabled? |
| 06:02.30 | tictac | heh. i constantly have a load average of 8 on my laptop. |
| 06:02.44 | level1 | cafuego, tictac, how can I check for this to be safe? |
| 06:02.48 | vorpal | tictac: do you mean that corruption would result if he tried resume from a hibernated image after the fact? |
| 06:02.53 | tictac | t7200. |
| 06:02.55 | necrite_ | sandman, 4 cores, 20 days, 3 collums |
| 06:02.58 | tarzeau | tictac: ##windows ? |
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| 06:03.09 | tictac | vorpal: yes. |
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| 06:03.20 | tictac | if he used the system without resuming the hibernated state. |
| 06:03.31 | tictac | corruption would occur most likely. |
| 06:03.31 | vorpal | tictac: OK, because ditching a hibernate image causes no harm as far as i know |
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| 06:03.49 | vorpal | tictac: sorry, that is incorrect |
| 06:03.52 | Nopalin | ahy /etc/apt/apt.conf files does not exist? there is an apt-conf.d dir instead, does it work at same? |
| 06:03.55 | tictac | vorpal: hmm. ive had problems with it. |
| 06:04.14 | metbsd | is opnewebmail removed? |
| 06:04.29 | tictac | vorpal: corruption is possible, especially with a lot of i/o before the hibernation. |
| 06:04.40 | necrite_ | sanelson, , 4 cores, 20 days, 3 collums |
| 06:04.43 | tictac | not to mention encrypted partitions. :P |
| 06:05.41 | cchance | How can i totaly remove a package? |
| 06:05.43 | sanelson | necrite_: so it says 3 in all three columns? |
| 06:05.49 | cchance | I mean everything that it installed |
| 06:05.55 | cchance | and install a CLEAN copy |
| 06:06.09 | Marco | How do I make sure that xorg is using nvidia acceleration? |
| 06:06.25 | sanelson | a load average of 3 on a 4 core machine means 75% on average - the numbers aren't normalised |
| 06:06.25 | vorpal | tictac: we'll have to research this one. it seems ludicrous that you would be commited to resuming from a hibernate. the filesystem should be in a consistent state before shotdown |
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| 06:06.55 | vorpal | s/shotdown/shutdown/ /* no fruedian slip intended */ |
| 06:07.24 | cchance | is it at all possible or do i have to reformate (again for the 5th time) |
| 06:07.47 | necrite_ | sanelson, but how can i konw which proccess is using the cpu .. |
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| 06:08.08 | tictac | vorpal: if you boot a different kernel than the one u inituated the hibernate with using the same filesystem... you can experience corruption. |
| 06:08.46 | tictac | necrite_: at least you dont have this... load average: 8.04, 8.26, 8.07 :) |
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| 06:10.05 | shingouz | cchance: apt-get remove --purge <packagename> and check man apt-get while you are at it |
| 06:11.01 | shingouz | tictac: nice load averages on that computer. what are you trying to do, compile a new laptop from sources? |
| 06:12.00 | sanelson | necrite_: ps allows you to sort processes by cpu usage |
| 06:12.04 | tictac | shingouz: actually, im running dynamips in the same configuration as my cisco lab. since it isnt at my current location i work on it virtually, and then upload my configurations when i get back to them. |
| 06:12.12 | tictac | shingouz: prepping for ccnp. :P |
| 06:12.59 | sanelson | necrite_: one I like to use is: |
| 06:13.02 | shingouz | tictac: ok, i was looking at the averages and thought you had shoveled some sand and iron ore in the input tray and wait for a new laptop to pop out ;) |
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| 06:13.04 | sanelson | ps -eo pcpu,pid,user,args | sort -k 1 -r | head -10 |
| 06:13.07 | tictac | system doesnt run that bad considering its only an average of about a 70% load. 2 gig of ram helps out, too. |
| 06:13.21 | sanelson | that gives you a sorted list of the top ten users |
| 06:13.29 | sanelson | of cpu, i mean |
| 06:13.34 | shingouz | nice. eight way smp? |
| 06:13.37 | tictac | shingouz: heh. nah,, thats dual cores at work :P |
| 06:14.00 | shingouz | a bit on the hight side tictac |
| 06:14.00 | tictac | no. dual core dell 1505n. 2ghz 4mb cache. |
| 06:14.19 | shingouz | s/hight/high/ typos galore |
| 06:14.29 | premier_ | Hi guys, this is level1... sorry to be bothering you all night, right now my debian install booted, ran an fsck, failed, and went into maintenance mode... I demands that I log in as root and run a manual fsck, but It won't accept my root password |
| 06:14.33 | tictac | of course, i had to remove ubuntu right after i got it ;) |
| 06:15.06 | premier_ | tictac: was that a dell ubuntu? |
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| 06:15.24 | premier_ | tictac: my dell is about a year old, it has terrible hardware support |
| 06:15.26 | tictac | premier_: the 1505n is the dell laptop that came w ubuntu installed. |
| 06:15.46 | vorpal | !fgi recover+root+password+linux |
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| 06:15.52 | premier_ | tictac: mine came with a new ati card, so it nearly useless |
| 06:16.00 | tictac | premier_: i love dell hardware support. however, they dont service my dell out in iraq too much. |
| 06:16.11 | tictac | premier_: mine with a gf 7300 :D |
| 06:16.14 | tralala | premier_, use init=/bin/sh boot parameter and change the password |
| 06:16.16 | sanelson | necrite_: ok? |
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| 06:16.40 | JeffH | Is there a way to make it so that when I type 'ssh root@shelby' I don't need a password? |
| 06:16.45 | premier_ | tralala: how do I force extlinux (syslinux) to give me a boot prompt? |
| 06:17.00 | sanelson | JeffH: yes, there is. HTH. HAND. |
| 06:17.16 | tralala | premier_, syslinux... aren't booting from a hard drive? |
| 06:17.22 | tralala | aren't you |
| 06:17.40 | tictac | JeffH: google.com/search?q=connecting+with+ssh+without+password |
| 06:17.44 | premier_ | tralala: its a usb drive... I would've used grub but nobody said to |
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| 06:18.40 | JeffH | thanks. |
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| 06:18.54 | haiger | how can i make sure that i have the latest pkgs so that i can do update |
| 06:19.02 | tralala | premier_, then it's even easier - edit the passwd file on another machine. You can copy an existing password record from another user/machine |
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| 06:19.21 | tictac | apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 06:19.28 | tralala | or you can chroot and use the passwd command |
| 06:19.36 | premier_ | tralala: which file is that? |
| 06:20.10 | tralala | premier_, /etc/shadow actually |
| 06:20.35 | tralala | it's probably better to just chroot and change the pass |
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| 06:23.27 | Tobsn | hu |
| 06:23.39 | sanelson | necrite_: you may find your process isn't using resources any more; sar is useful for showing trends over time; nmon is a very useful tool for long term stuff - i've only use it on AIX, but I believe it's available for linux. |
| 06:23.50 | Tobsn | anyone knows how to install that font for graphviz? Error: fontconfig: Didn't find expected font family. Perhaps URW Type 1 fonts need installing? : Times-Roman |
| 06:26.12 | premier_ | tralala: what does "passwd: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info" mean? |
| 06:26.26 | premier_ | thats the error that running passwd in chroot gives me |
| 06:27.49 | tralala | I don't know but it sounds like messed up pam or something |
| 06:28.03 | premier_ | tralala: how do I resolve it? |
| 06:28.10 | JeffH | how unsecure is it to setup ssh to login to a machine without requiring a password? |
| 06:28.30 | premier_ | tralala: can I just delete a file or something and get it to reconfigure? |
| 06:28.44 | tralala | what kind of authentication have you selected? Are you using a network authentication by any chance? |
| 06:28.48 | liable | JeffH: quite insane really |
| 06:29.15 | premier_ | tralala: I don't think so... its not across a network |
| 06:29.25 | premier_ | tralala: I just ran "passwd" in chroot |
| 06:29.29 | tralala | JeffH, if you're using keys it's even better than password auth |
| 06:29.32 | sanelson | JeffH: depends on the network; in an ultra-secure datacenter with access only for trusted users, and not net-facing, it's fine. |
| 06:29.41 | sanelson | however, -why- do you want to do that? |
| 06:30.12 | tralala | premier_, I'm asking at instllation time. Did you select PAM authentication? |
| 06:30.27 | tralala | or something like ldap |
| 06:30.39 | JeffH | Only internet access to my machine is through three ports.. 25, 80 an 143. |
| 06:30.39 | premier_ | no, this isn't installed, actually, it debootstrapped |
| 06:30.44 | tralala | or what was the other kerberos os such |
| 06:31.01 | premier_ | so it would be the default for debootstrap |
| 06:31.09 | sanelson | JeffH: with firewall? but you allow ssh from inside your network? |
| 06:31.42 | tralala | premier_, is there an /etc/passwd file? |
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| 06:31.52 | JeffH | sanelson: yes |
| 06:32.00 | cchance | Ok how can i force it to do i FULL CLEAN install so that it writes all files and over wrights if it exists? |
| 06:32.10 | premier_ | tralala: two, actually |
| 06:32.31 | premier_ | but they don't have any passwords in them |
| 06:32.31 | cchance | oh sorry |
| 06:32.37 | tralala | you can't have two files with the same name |
| 06:32.48 | premier_ | passwd and passwd- |
| 06:33.00 | cchance | Ok how can i force a package to reinstall and to do a FULL CLEAN install so that it writes all files and over wrights if it exists? |
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| 06:33.07 | tralala | is there /etc/shadow as well? |
| 06:33.31 | tictac | cchance: dpkg --purge package; apt-get install package |
| 06:33.43 | cchance | That dont work |
| 06:33.49 | cchance | ive tryed that 3 times onw |
| 06:33.53 | cchance | now* |
| 06:33.53 | premier_ | tralala: yeah, kde complains that its a binary and if I attempt to edit it I'll have a corrupt file |
| 06:33.53 | tictac | sure it does. |
| 06:34.07 | tictac | dpkg -L package. delete the files manually then. |
| 06:34.08 | dpkg | ii package. delete the files manually then. 3.9-13 tictac's private gamp collection |
| 06:34.16 | cchance | web1:/# /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 06:34.16 | cchance | touch: cannot touch `/etc/apache2/httpd.conf': No such file or directory |
| 06:34.23 | cchance | Thats after doing all that |
| 06:34.25 | premier_ | cchance: whats the actually problem? |
| 06:34.29 | liable | so make the dir |
| 06:34.35 | tralala | premier_, open it using vim |
| 06:34.45 | cchance | trying to get apache to start |
| 06:34.58 | tralala | cchance, is your / mount rw? |
| 06:35.20 | cchance | rm? Read/wright Yes? |
| 06:35.27 | tralala | (assuming /etc is not mounted separately) |
| 06:35.51 | cchance | no all my /* are in one partition |
| 06:36.06 | tralala | can you touch anything else in /etc? |
| 06:36.16 | cchance | yeah |
| 06:36.34 | premier_ | tralala: okay, I'm looking at the file... it looks like an fstab, but a little different... at the end theres some garbage |
| 06:36.43 | cchance | the package |
| 06:36.51 | cchance | didnt make an apache2 dir |
| 06:37.02 | cchance | in /etc |
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| 06:37.17 | liable | !tell cchance about confmiss |
| 06:37.45 | liable | and the package you need to reinstall is apache2-common |
| 06:38.31 | tralala | premier_, /etc/shadow should look like this: http://rafb.net/p/ovKsIm30.html |
| 06:39.04 | tralala | but given that your passwd is empty it seems that you're missing something essential |
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| 06:39.31 | premier_ | tralala: my /etc/shadow looks completely different |
| 06:39.57 | wols_ | cchance: dpkg -l |grep apache2 |
| 06:40.06 | wols_ | purge all those packages, then reinstall apache |
| 06:40.25 | premier_ | tralala: I tried to reinstall passwd with apt-get and it gave me a big error... let me pastebin it to you |
| 06:40.33 | cchance | Options marked [*] produce a lot of output - pipe it through `less' or `more' ! |
| 06:40.33 | cchance | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 06:40.50 | tralala | premier_, something went wrong with your debootstrap install. I'd suggest you do it again in some dir and compare the results. Was it Etch that you installed? |
| 06:41.09 | cchance | apt-get -o DPkg::options::="--force-confmiss"--reinstall install apache2 |
| 06:41.18 | premier_ | tralala: yeah |
| 06:41.34 | premier_ | pastebin.ca/615630 |
| 06:42.52 | cchance | web1:/etc# apt-get -o DPkg="--force-confmiss"--reinstall install apache2 |
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| 06:43.00 | cchance | touch: cannot touch `/etc/apache2/httpd.conf': No such file or directory |
| 06:43.03 | premier_ | tralala: is etch a good choice? I noticed that it was about 4 kernel releases behind, not to be critical |
| 06:43.12 | tralala | premier_, either the install went wrong or the filesystem got corrupted somehow |
| 06:43.24 | sanelson | premier_: good choice for what? |
| 06:43.41 | haiger | am having a small issue here, the font is very small am runnig 1208x1024 75 how can i make the menu font a little bigger |
| 06:43.45 | premier_ | tralala: the ladder sounds likely, I must of misunmounted it |
| 06:43.47 | tralala | premier_, etch is fine. Unmount the usb drive and run fsck on it |
| 06:43.54 | premier_ | sanelson: good question |
| 06:44.27 | premier_ | tralala: I did a few minutes ago, I just pressed "y" to everything because I don't know how fsck works |
| 06:44.28 | cchance | I really hope i dont have to reinstall |
| 06:44.48 | tralala | we should've done this from the beginning but I got carried away with the password problem while the actual problem was with the filesystem |
| 06:45.48 | tralala | cchance, paste the whole output to a pastebin |
| 06:46.08 | haiger | cchance: did you get your card to work man |
| 06:46.20 | premier_ | tralala: now that I've run it, fsck just says "clean"... can I force it to do a more intesive look or should I just scrap it and try debootstrap again? |
| 06:46.38 | cchance | no the wifi dont like ubuntu |
| 06:46.55 | haiger | cchance: make/model |
| 06:47.25 | cchance | give me a minute on that |
| 06:47.29 | tralala | premier_, if fsck says the fs is okay but shadow doesn't look like it should, you'll need to reinstall. I'd suggest you do that in a hard disk directory and you keep it as a backup |
| 06:47.30 | cchance | gota fix this first |
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| 06:48.04 | haiger | cchance: take your time |
| 06:48.35 | premier_ | tralala: okay, I'll do that tommarow... good night! |
| 06:48.46 | cchance | Atheros AR5007EG Wireless Network Adapter |
| 06:50.06 | cchance | http://pastebin.ca/615640 |
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| 06:50.31 | sanelson | cchance: madwifi, i expect |
| 06:50.55 | cchance | If its not in tha ubuntu cd i cant get it |
| 06:51.20 | haiger | cchance: why are you installing apache |
| 06:51.22 | haiger | ? |
| 06:51.34 | cchance | For a headless webserver of mine |
| 06:52.06 | haiger | cchance: first get the card to work then think of what you want to do after that |
| 06:52.10 | haiger | right? |
| 06:52.16 | Azar | heh, "anyone" using doodle? |
| 06:52.18 | cchance | um |
| 06:52.37 | haiger | Azar: is that yahoo featire |
| 06:52.41 | haiger | feature |
| 06:52.50 | cchance | the thing im installing it on is not this computer, its so i can get my company of the ground |
| 06:52.57 | haiger | cchance: ok, go ahead and remove the card |
| 06:53.04 | Azar | uh no, is a debian package |
| 06:53.08 | cchance | HAHA |
| 06:53.28 | cchance | not happening im not cracking this thing open its brand new besides im using it right now |
| 06:53.39 | cchance | its not a card anyway im on a laptop |
| 06:53.46 | Azar | doodle desktop search engine, finds docs in your computer |
| 06:53.58 | Azar | ..or not? |
| 06:54.17 | haiger | cchance: you are confussing me,,, are you able to use your card or no |
| 06:54.48 | cchance | right now im in windows and can but in ubuntu no |
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| 06:54.54 | haiger | Azar: yahoo messanger have the same name, but it's for drawing stuff |
| 06:54.58 | cchance | thats how im online |
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| 06:55.23 | sanelson | cchance: just out of interest, why are you asking for help in #debian? |
| 06:55.33 | haiger | cchance: hmmm, its kinda tought to do it like that |
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| 06:55.58 | cchance | because i was waiting for some one to tell me how to get apache to install and do it right |
| 06:56.03 | Saizan | i've some sound problems, every program that tries to use alsa just hangs, what can i do? (mplayer with oss works fine) |
| 06:56.04 | Azar | hmm never used messengers... since I was just a kid |
| 06:56.04 | haiger | cchance: plus i have never worked in ubuntu before |
| 06:56.08 | cchance | its not installing right and in return it wont start |
| 06:57.12 | sanelson | cchance: just that some folk here aren't keen on 'supporting' ubuntu |
| 06:57.19 | sanelson | !tell cchance about not debian |
| 06:57.28 | cchance | omg |
| 06:57.34 | cchance | that was a side track |
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| 06:57.45 | cchance | some one was wanting me to past me output |
| 06:57.48 | cchance | http://pastebin.ca/615640 |
| 06:58.03 | cchance | there it is they wanted to see what was going on when installing apache |
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| 06:58.25 | amphi | is aptitude installed by default these days? |
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| 06:58.53 | haiger | cchance: you are hella confussing, i don't think i can help ypou have a great night |
| 06:58.58 | cchance | Im workin with debian etch curretnyl |
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| 06:59.10 | cchance | (ue) |
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| 06:59.40 | sanelson | cchance: sorry dude, let's start again; give me the one sentence problem statement :) what are you trying to achieve? what's the story? |
| 06:59.44 | cchance | :-S |
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| 07:00.41 | cchance | Ok, apache will not start for some reason im trying to do a clean install to install all the files instead of what it just wants to install, |
| 07:01.00 | cchance | right now its not making an apache2 dir in etc |
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| 07:01.29 | GreaseMonkey | getting off now, cya |
| 07:01.46 | sanelson | cchance: why do you want to install apache? is this on etch? what are you actually trying to do? tell me where you want to go, not the specific problem with the route you've chosen. |
| 07:02.45 | cchance | eh, Debian Etch i want to install apache to get my webhosting company off the ground, and because i know of no alternatives |
| 07:03.02 | cchance | i probly going to end up rebooting anyway so |
| 07:03.05 | Azar | amphi: I think so , however when you upgrade the distribution, there is a new aptitude for it to install |
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| 07:03.28 | sanelson | cchance: ok, and what machine is this? is it the same machine as you are using now, for irc? |
| 07:03.38 | cchance | no |
| 07:03.52 | cchance | the machine is the one im patched in via ssh |
| 07:04.11 | amphi | Azar: thanks - someone wanted to know whether a script could rely on aptitude being available, or should just use apt-get |
| 07:04.13 | sanelson | rigt |
| 07:05.15 | cchance | im just going to reformt for the 6th time |
| 07:05.25 | sanelson | tell me about that machine; is it connecetd to the net? what sort of machine is it? is that also running debian? how did you do the install? |
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| 07:05.33 | cchance | see yal later |
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| 07:05.55 | cchance | is that information relevent? |
| 07:06.04 | sanelson | yes, very. |
| 07:06.04 | cchance | all im doing is installing apache |
| 07:06.21 | sanelson | clearly not, as millions of people install apache with one command every day |
| 07:06.46 | sanelson | so your situation is 'different' - and I am trying to establish why, so I can help you. |
| 07:06.50 | cchance | it is connected to the net, its an I386 |
| 07:07.06 | cchance | i did the install via a netinst cd and it is debian etch |
| 07:07.16 | sanelson | ok, good. |
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| 07:07.45 | sanelson | as soon as the install is finished, what did you do? |
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| 07:08.04 | jetscreamer | dondelelcaro: http://www.grants.gov/search/search.do?oppId=2464&mode=VIEW |
| 07:08.07 | cchance | web1:/etc# /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
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| 07:09.14 | jetscreamer | is 15 mil enough to get going with an hpc? |
| 07:12.07 | sanelson | cchance: ok, well notwithstanding the fact that I think etch will install 1.3 by default, I wouldn't do that; i'd do an absoutely base install and install what I needed manually. |
| 07:12.30 | vorpal | jetscreamer: sure. send me the check, i'll set you up |
| 07:12.40 | jetscreamer | vorpal: see that link |
| 07:13.00 | jetscreamer | they'll give it to you |
| 07:13.44 | jetscreamer | you become a reseller |
| 07:13.55 | jetscreamer | and sell op |
| 07:13.56 | vorpal | jetscreamer: maybe at one of the national labs :-) those guys have megabudgets |
| 07:14.03 | jetscreamer | vorpal: see the link |
| 07:14.12 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.38 | simonrvn | all so they can sell something to you. vicious effing circle |
| 07:14.39 | vorpal | nice |
| 07:15.01 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 07:15.13 | jetscreamer | they pay you to make money |
| 07:15.25 | jetscreamer | and make op buy |
| 07:15.31 | jetscreamer | other people |
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| 07:16.10 | vorpal | jetscreamer: well at least it's in the name of science. |
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| 07:16.20 | jetscreamer | BATTLEFIELD HELICOPTER EMULATOR (BHE) PROGRAM <-- so is that? :) |
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| 07:16.46 | jetscreamer | sounds cool |
| 07:18.20 | bk | In what package do I find apache2-ssl-certificate? |
| 07:18.21 | vorpal | jetscreamer: http://youtube.com/watch?v=cqB01Cp_wPM |
| 07:18.27 | bk | I can't find it.. |
| 07:18.44 | vorpal | jetscreamer: *that* is research :-) |
| 07:18.46 | torrr | what is the name of the VNC client here? |
| 07:18.50 | jetscreamer | ooo http://www.darpa.mil/ |
| 07:19.02 | jetscreamer | !vnc |
| 07:19.02 | dpkg | it has been said that vnc is Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at http://www.realvnc.com, or http://www.tridiavnc.com, or ask me about x-not-vnc |
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| 07:19.30 | jetscreamer | !apt-file |
| 07:19.31 | dpkg | i guess apt-file is util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename |
| 07:20.33 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search vnc at the very least |
| 07:20.40 | jetscreamer | |grep something maybe |
| 07:21.29 | torrr | doesn't vnc comes "built in"? |
| 07:22.17 | tralala | no, you have to install it |
| 07:22.21 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 07:23.09 | Tobsn | anyone knows how to install that font for graphviz? Error: fontconfig: Didn't find expected font family. Perhaps URW Type 1 fonts need installing? : Times-Roman |
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| 07:24.05 | sanelson | ok... children to school time |
| 07:24.07 | sanelson | bye for now |
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| 07:25.04 | OhMyGods | hello, any one can help me? I'm writing a programe like cron. |
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| 07:26.20 | Tobsn | OhMyGods, use cron ;) |
| 07:26.22 | OhMyGods | I want to create a server by socket. and how to do the scheduler in the listen loop? |
| 07:27.18 | OhMyGods | Tobsn: the cron cann't communicate. he just do his job. |
| 07:27.41 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 07:27.45 | Tobsn | there is something for this |
| 07:27.49 | Tobsn | cant remember the name |
| 07:27.54 | Tobsn | from a german company |
| 07:27.58 | Tobsn | they released it open source |
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| 07:29.08 | OhMyGods | Tobsn: I found nothing from sourceforge |
| 07:29.09 | Tobsn | OhMyGods, btw.: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=cron§ion=projects |
| 07:29.38 | indraveni | hi, in my debian syste, I created lvm partition for a harddisk and it was working fine, |
| 07:29.50 | indraveni | but suddenly it stoppped detecting that partition |
| 07:30.10 | indraveni | when I am giving lvdisplay command, the output if No Volume groups available, |
| 07:30.16 | indraveni | how can I recover my lvm partition |
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| 07:33.19 | OhMyGods | Tobsn: thank you very much. |
| 07:33.35 | Tobsn | found something? |
| 07:35.23 | OhMyGods | Tobsn: found many cron daemon,I'm downloading it to learn |
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| 07:36.06 | metbsd | learn cron? |
| 07:36.11 | metbsd | man page not enough? |
| 07:36.28 | Tobsn | http://www.ohse.de/uwe/uschedule.html |
| 07:36.32 | Tobsn | thats probably what you want |
| 07:36.36 | Tobsn | it can communicate etc. |
| 07:36.56 | Tobsn | metbsd, read a few lines above, he wants to write one. |
| 07:37.27 | metbsd | write what? why? |
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| 07:41.20 | Speck | how do I disable ssl and login for cups? |
| 07:41.20 | Speck | Authtype none and Encryption never don't work |
| 07:43.35 | metbsd | is openwebmail available in debian? |
| 07:43.53 | OhMyGods | Tobsn: It's very good.but the communicate type don't fit me. |
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| 07:44.22 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 07:44.37 | Tobsn | but there is a different cron app... i just cant remember it... hmm |
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| 07:48.19 | bintut | hello all.. anybody can recommend me a NISTNET like available in the debian repository? |
| 07:48.32 | bintut | much better if it's a console based tool |
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| 07:56.32 | metbsd | why is openwebmail removed ? |
| 07:57.47 | Gigantic | I've alway wondered why would you put a webmail when you can put IMAP/POP/SMTP |
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| 08:04.15 | bintut | hello.. anyone here knows where can i download the nistnet debian package? |
| 08:04.36 | saintiss | hi all |
| 08:04.49 | SlayerXP | what's a nistnet? |
| 08:05.01 | saintiss | what could be the cause of a cron job being run at 23.50h when it is scheduled at 01.00? |
| 08:05.22 | bintut | SlayerXP: http://www-x.antd.nist.gov/nistnet/ |
| 08:05.37 | bintut | SlayerXP: basically, it's a network emulator |
| 08:05.43 | SlayerXP | interesting. |
| 08:05.57 | SlayerXP | doesn't look like there's an official debian package, try google |
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| 08:21.16 | visf | hi does anybody know what is that package name that use to configure http server in gnome? i tried to search for it but no luck |
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| 08:26.28 | korhojoa | hellloes. |
| 08:26.42 | piztek | what is cron |
| 08:27.10 | korhojoa | I have this thing, a usb ir/vfd device that _should_ show up as a serial device under /dev/ttyUSBn, but there isn't any. i'm guessing this would mean that i don |
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| 08:27.32 | korhojoa | 't have ftdi_sio loaded, yes? I'd just need someone to help me load it |
| 08:28.07 | piztek | load infrared on linux? |
| 08:28.26 | korhojoa | ... |
| 08:28.29 | piztek | i am not trained there |
| 08:28.39 | korhojoa | dude, if you're asking what cron is, i'm not asking you to help me :D |
| 08:28.49 | piztek | what must you infrared to |
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| 08:29.02 | korhojoa | piztek: try again, in english? |
| 08:29.32 | piztek | in english, sorry i can't help you, and don't let me discourage you |
| 08:29.42 | korhojoa | ah, okay. :P |
| 08:29.50 | metbsd | is there ftp on ssh tunnel, has ability to transfer directory? |
| 08:29.53 | piztek | i've found linux to be pleasing, but agrivating as i've had some problems |
| 08:30.13 | korhojoa | yeah, it is pleasing, but when you get stuck, and you sit there for a week or two going: WTF AM I DOING WRONG |
| 08:30.19 | piztek | but i believe them to be diagnosed |
| 08:30.21 | korhojoa | then you realize that there's the debian channel |
| 08:30.22 | korhojoa | :d |
| 08:30.34 | piztek | does the port have to be used? |
| 08:31.12 | Guerin | metbsd: they call is scp |
| 08:31.19 | Guerin | s/is/it/ |
| 08:31.24 | piztek | obviously you want it to |
| 08:31.36 | metbsd | not sftp? |
| 08:31.45 | piztek | today i ripped out a usb plug from the keyboard, opened the keyboard and removed it |
| 08:32.03 | Guerin | metbsd: that's somewhat more than a simple transfer system |
| 08:32.10 | piztek | just because i believe it to be a possible cause to a shutdown problem |
| 08:32.12 | harpal | visf: try this http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/apacheweb.htm |
| 08:32.12 | Guerin | piztek: do we care? |
| 08:32.36 | piztek | i think you do |
| 08:32.41 | Guerin | you think wrong |
| 08:32.57 | piztek | naturally i do, yes |
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| 08:34.17 | piztek | so do all humans |
| 08:34.44 | piztek | ultimately the majority of one humans thoughts are incorrect |
| 08:35.30 | Guerin | piztek: but there's wrong AND stupid |
| 08:35.34 | Guerin | a powerful combination |
| 08:35.52 | Tobsn | does somebody knows how to fix that graphviz "Times Roman" bug? |
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| 08:37.52 | Guerin | Tobsn: i haven't noticed any such bug.\ |
| 08:38.10 | Guerin | though that might be a side-effect of not using graphviz, whatever that is |
| 08:38.20 | Tobsn | Error: fontconfig: Didn't find expected font family. Perhaps URW Type 1 fonts need installing? : Times-Roman |
| 08:38.23 | Tobsn | i get this error... |
| 08:38.43 | Guerin | Tobsn: how did you install the font, since it's not in debian? |
| 08:38.49 | Tobsn | http://www.graphviz.org/bugs/b588.html |
| 08:38.59 | Guerin | Tobsn: check debian BTS |
| 08:39.12 | Tobsn | Guerin, i didnt installed any fonts... how can i install it with apt? |
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| 08:39.34 | Tobsn | and it looks like that im to stupid to fix it... hehe |
| 08:40.20 | Guerin | Tobsn: /msg dpkg msttcorefonts |
| 08:40.43 | Tobsn | hmm no reply. |
| 08:40.45 | Guerin | Tobsn: i have no idea whether that will fix it - but if I guess right, you need some postscript type 1 fonts |
| 08:40.47 | visf | harpal: is there another way to look for the package? cos ive no luck in the search of the repository by the name that was list on the page. |
| 08:40.51 | Guerin | !msttcorefonts |
| 08:40.52 | dpkg | well, msttcorefonts is package to install MSFT core TrueType fonts. http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ for font *.EXEs, unpack with cabextract. Install the 'x-ttcidfont-conf' package, and add this FontPath line to your XF86Config-4 file in the "Files" section: 'FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"'. then 'xset fp rehash' |
| 08:40.54 | Tobsn | yeah i guess |
| 08:41.05 | Tobsn | k thats probably what i need |
| 08:41.06 | Tobsn | thx :) |
| 08:41.11 | Guerin | Tobsn: try searching for them |
| 08:41.23 | Guerin | there are some packages containing such |
| 08:41.43 | Guerin | factinfo msttcorefonts |
| 08:41.46 | Guerin | !factinfo msttcorefonts |
| 08:41.46 | dpkg | msttcorefonts -- created by karsten <~karsten@host-66-81-217-45.rev.o1.com> at Sat Aug 16 23:48:49 2003 (1425 days); it has been requested 125 times, last by Guerin, 55s ago. |
| 08:42.26 | Guerin | info msttcorefonts |
| 08:42.29 | Guerin | !info msttcorefonts |
| 08:42.30 | Guerin | grr |
| 08:42.32 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 2.2 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 08:42.36 | Tobsn | hmm it isntalled all fonts |
| 08:42.39 | Tobsn | didnt helped |
| 08:42.56 | Tobsn | i think its really that bug described in the bugs list obove |
| 08:42.58 | Tobsn | *above |
| 08:43.23 | Guerin | dpkg, no, msttcorefonts is add contrib (ask me about it) to sources and install the package. Or go to http://corefonts.sourceforge.net |
| 08:43.23 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 08:43.32 | Guerin | Tobsn: that bug is none of debian's concern |
| 08:43.41 | Guerin | Tobsn: unless it's also on the debian BTS - so check there. |
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| 08:45.23 | Tobsn | hmm |
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| 08:46.30 | indraveni | hi, could someone please tell me, how to reactivate the lvm partition |
| 08:47.05 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know which is the apache user that i need to set my scripts so that they can write to the logs ?? |
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| 08:47.22 | rocketmagnet | not the system wide |
| 08:47.42 | Phil4 | rocketmagnet, probably www-data |
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| 08:48.39 | Guerin | rocketmagnet: you can find this out by doing ls -l /var/www/apache |
| 08:48.43 | Guerin | or whatever |
| 08:48.47 | rocketmagnet | thx |
| 08:48.54 | Guerin | !thx |
| 08:48.54 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
| 08:49.10 | rocketmagnet | because i don't want to set 777 for the log files |
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| 08:49.23 | Phil4 | yeh |
| 08:49.25 | Phil4 | 777 != good |
| 08:49.30 | rocketmagnet | i know |
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| 08:49.58 | rocketmagnet | is there a script to check permissions so that i can't forget something ? |
| 08:50.15 | Phil4 | ls -l? |
| 08:50.40 | Phil4 | ls -arl to show everything and recurse through the directories |
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| 08:52.43 | spark_ | People! I recently upgraded my mysql to 5.0.41a-1, and now my relay logs are created in /var/run/mysqld; is this a known/documentend change of default behaviour?! |
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| 09:01.50 | rocketmagnet | how to add my user to the group www-data ? |
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| 09:02.56 | Phil4 | usermod, rocketmagnet |
| 09:03.03 | rocketmagnet | and is there some documentation that shows me the default user/groups of a debian system?? |
| 09:03.24 | Phil4 | cat /etc/passwd |
| 09:03.27 | Phil4 | will show you users |
| 09:03.43 | Phil4 | cat /etc/group |
| 09:03.45 | Phil4 | will show you groups |
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| 09:06.56 | bzed | rocketmagnet: adduser username group will add the user to the group. man adduser. |
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| 09:15.35 | rocketmagnet | bzed: thx |
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| 09:25.55 | The_Alexander | hello. I am trying to install Polish Neostrada on my laptop, which has no RJ port, only USB. I am using modem Sagem F@st 800 E2 and Eagle-USB, but I have problems with connection |
| 09:26.19 | The_Alexander | I downloaded packages with eagle-usb from testing repos on my second computer |
| 09:27.33 | The_Alexander | when I try to connect to the internet, I see "Module loading... [ Error ]" and eaglectrl -w doesn't work - it tries to load firmware, but it can't |
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| 09:29.00 | spheard | whats it called when, on a router you forward traffic on a particular port to a server? is that port forwarding? |
| 09:29.30 | The_Alexander | I think yes |
| 09:29.35 | The_Alexander | check DMZ on wikipedia |
| 09:29.44 | The_Alexander | i think its something about it |
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| 09:34.56 | visf | hi, i can't type 'genkey www.abc.com' to create a key in debian, anything that can help? |
| 09:35.21 | The_Alexander | what do you mean you cant? |
| 09:36.02 | visf | i tried by doing #genkey it just returen command no found |
| 09:36.15 | visf | wat is happening? |
| 09:36.35 | visf | but i tried #gpg something happen |
| 09:36.49 | visf | is gpg the same as genkey? |
| 09:37.22 | The_Alexander | what do you want to do |
| 09:37.23 | The_Alexander | ? |
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| 09:38.31 | visf | im reading a book to create a private key and public key |
| 09:38.48 | visf | so the example they wrote was this #genkey |
| 09:39.02 | visf | im suppose to see a screen |
| 09:39.31 | simonrvn | what's genkey from? it doesn't sound anything having to do with gpg at all |
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| 09:40.25 | visf | according to the book, genkey command suppose to come from a package name crypto-utils |
| 09:40.37 | visf | im suppose to install it |
| 09:40.54 | simonrvn | nothing to do with gpg |
| 09:41.03 | visf | ok |
| 09:41.20 | visf | so may i know whr i should be looking for genkey? |
| 09:41.31 | visf | or is there an alternative? |
| 09:41.41 | simonrvn | !wayttd visf |
| 09:41.41 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, visf? |
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| 09:42.26 | visf | to configure a server for secure connection |
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| 09:42.46 | visf | is that anything to do with genkey? |
| 09:42.54 | simonrvn | starttls/ssl? |
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| 09:43.31 | visf | ssl u say? ok ill try to look into it thanks:) |
| 09:44.08 | simonrvn | i'm asking if that's what you want to do |
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| 09:44.28 | beatnik | !install madwifi |
| 09:44.49 | beatnik | how to run this bot |
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| 09:47.28 | simonrvn | beatnik: /msg dpkg help |
| 09:47.29 | de1 | hello, |
| 09:47.33 | visf | simonrvn: i need to encrypt connection of 2 server |
| 09:47.40 | de1 | can anyone tell me how do I install sendmail? |
| 09:47.40 | simonrvn | beatnik: you want listvals and listkeys |
| 09:47.46 | de1 | I need it for testing purposes |
| 09:47.54 | simonrvn | man apt-get |
| 09:48.37 | beatnik | i need linux-headers, which package should i download? |
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| 09:49.26 | cydork | beatnik: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
| 09:49.48 | hatter | beatnik, you need the headers to suit your running kernel |
| 09:50.05 | beatnik | cydork: it doesn't work. here is my error: Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use. |
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| 09:50.46 | cydork | beatnik: are you using a stock kernel? |
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| 09:51.15 | beatnik | i'm on debian etch inux debian 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 09:51.25 | cydork | beatnik: install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 09:51.46 | cydork | beatnik: m-a should handle that anyways. |
| 09:52.00 | beatnik | cydork: it says Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 09:52.36 | cydork | beatnik: are you running aptitude or synaptic? |
| 09:52.53 | beatnik | cydork: oh yeah sorry |
| 09:53.32 | beatnik | cydork: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 09:54.40 | cydork | beatnik: run dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 09:55.14 | domains | hey, do you know if iceweasel understands multilingual domains? |
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| 09:56.41 | hatter | beatnik, aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 09:56.49 | Skyrail | I stopped an apt-get update in the middle of it trying to connect (because it had failed to connect to other servers) and now it's "unable to lock the list directory" any idea how I can 'unlock' it? |
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| 09:56.59 | beatnik | cydork: thanks i added etch testing package in my source.list, problem solved |
| 09:57.04 | ronr | hi, anyone knows how I can enable local infile on the standard mysql installation in debian? |
| 09:57.37 | domains | when I place in iceweasel someting lik www.piña.com I obtain www.xn--pia-8ma.com |
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| 09:59.41 | domains | is there any way to make iceweasel to show multilingual domains without translating them? |
| 10:03.00 | jelly-home | domains: maybe about:config, then network.IDN_show_punycode |
| 10:03.20 | domains | ah, I can show IDN in there ? let me check |
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| 10:05.08 | domains | jelly-home: I activated show punycode but it still shows the translation |
| 10:05.16 | jelly-home | domains: note that your example has a parking redirection ... the punycode is not in the domain name |
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| 10:05.56 | domains | jelly-home: ahh ok ok yes |
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| 10:06.59 | beatni1 | what should my source.list contain for i have recently updates |
| 10:07.07 | domains | jelly-home: thanks, will try this now, really thx |
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| 10:07.44 | beatni1 | testing or unstable? |
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| 10:12.15 | lymeca | Are all of the packages in main compiled with GCC? Is there even a way to tell that? |
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| 10:14.26 | tarzeau | lymeca: hmmm, why do you ask? |
| 10:14.37 | tarzeau | lymeca: not everything is compiled, not everything is C |
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| 10:16.16 | lymeca | tarzeau: I meant gcc as in GNU Compile Collection, so not just restricted to C. |
| 10:16.38 | lymeca | tarzeau: Good point about not everything being compiled: forgot about things like development headers and documentation. |
| 10:16.40 | tarzeau | lymeca: i see |
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| 10:17.01 | tarzeau | lymeca: well there exist other compilers like tcc and tendra.. dunno how many people tried building debian packages with any of them |
| 10:17.03 | lymeca | So is everything package containing software that is precompiled done so with a GCC compiler? |
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| 10:17.14 | tarzeau | lymeca: i meant more like tcc scripts :) |
| 10:17.21 | tarzeau | lymeca: i think so |
| 10:17.22 | beatni2 | hello, do you know how to edit my source.list file? |
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| 10:17.35 | tarzeau | beatni2: i use mcedit , but emacs is fine too |
| 10:17.54 | beatni2 | tarzeau: what is the full command? |
| 10:17.58 | lymeca | Is there a way to tell what a given package was compiled with? |
| 10:18.06 | tarzeau | beatni2: mcedit /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 10:18.21 | lymeca | beatni2: If you have X11 running I recommend "gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" as root. |
| 10:18.36 | user1_ | is there anywhere i can dl debian package for openwebmail? |
| 10:18.58 | AidyMole | Is there a clean way to install sun jdk 5 or should i just use their .bin file and things |
| 10:19.14 | beatni2 | how can i see my running process |
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| 10:19.24 | tarzeau | lymeca: not from the binary but from buildd.debian.org yes |
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| 10:23.42 | user1_ | i can't believe that debian remove openwebmail like that |
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| 10:24.25 | ike | Hello. |
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| 10:26.36 | tarzeau | user1_: why not? |
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| 10:27.17 | user1_ | what did it do |
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| 10:31.04 | tarzeau | user1_: 12:23 < user1_> i can't believe that debian remove openwebmail like that |
| 10:31.30 | user1_ | i mean, why remove openwebmail |
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| 10:33.29 | azeem | user1_: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=301561 |
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| 10:36.41 | Spliffster | hello, i am running debian 4.0 on one server (no X display server running) and when I ssh -X to this server, DISPLAY doesn't get set. ssh -X -v doesn't give any errors, server is accepting X forwarding but doesn't actually seem to enable it |
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| 10:37.18 | azeem | Spliffster: do you have xauth installed on both machines? |
| 10:37.34 | AidyMole | is there a sun java repository? |
| 10:37.42 | Spliffster | azeem: i have installed it manually, whereis xauth gives a result back |
| 10:37.42 | azeem | AidyMole: it's in non-free |
| 10:37.42 | user1_ | how do i install a .deb file? |
| 10:37.54 | azeem | user1_: use aptitude |
| 10:38.11 | azeem | Spliffster: what do you mean with "gives a result back"? |
| 10:38.43 | Spliffster | azeem: well xauth is isntalled on src and target host, to keep it simple. |
| 10:39.26 | Staz | user1 : dpkg -i <deb> |
| 10:39.31 | AidyMole | azeem: aha ok |
| 10:39.40 | yangvnc | Retrieving bug reports... 0% W: Connection timed out - connect(2) ? bugreports machine down? |
| 10:39.41 | azeem | Spliffster: do you have x11forwading set in sshd_config? |
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| 10:40.43 | Spliffster | azeem: gaaaaaaah! i am using ubuntu too often. silly me. thanks |
| 10:41.00 | indraveni | hi |
| 10:41.06 | indraveni | I have lvm partitioning |
| 10:41.19 | indraveni | and the output of vgscan is showing No volume groups found, |
| 10:41.32 | indraveni | where as I have a volumen group, how can I activate that partition |
| 10:42.01 | indraveni | help needed please |
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| 10:42.13 | indraveni | all my data is present in my lvm partitioning |
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| 10:44.28 | Spliffster | what is the preferred way to install an older version of a package? download the deb and dpkg -i? or can it also be done with apt-get ? |
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| 10:45.05 | Internat | anyone have much experience with rdiff-backup? |
| 10:45.05 | Internat | Previous backup seems to have failed, regressing destination now. |
| 10:45.05 | Internat | Exception 'RPath instance has no attribute 'inc_compressed'' raised of class 'exceptions.AttributeError': |
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| 10:53.07 | hatter | someone know a way to ensure a nic gets eth1 each reboot ? |
| 10:53.56 | stew | hatter: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 10:54.58 | hatter | stew, thx |
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| 11:00.04 | bolt | Anyone who happen to be familiar with ISPConfig who could tell me what the difference is between a quota assigned to a user and a quota assigned to one of that users pages? Like, should the quota for the user be set to the sum of the storage space provided for his or her webpages? |
| 11:02.22 | Spliffster | is debian 4.0 also called "sid" ? |
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| 11:02.37 | _E-bola | Do anybody knwo why there isnt an updated clamav package for etch? |
| 11:02.39 | bolt | Spliffster: that's etch |
| 11:02.40 | _E-bola | since 0.9.1 is out |
| 11:02.42 | stew | Spliffster: no, 4.0 is etch, sid is unstable |
| 11:02.55 | Spliffster | stew, bolt ty |
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| 11:04.35 | xand | _E-bola: etch isn't updated except for security fixes |
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| 11:05.24 | hatter | stew, can i rename the eth(?) without reboot ? |
| 11:05.32 | hatter | a restart of udev ? |
| 11:05.38 | _E-bola | xand: shouldnt it be in volatile then? |
| 11:06.01 | stew | hatter: yes, or to rename ethX to ethY: ip link set name ethY dev ethX |
| 11:06.10 | hatter | cool, thx |
| 11:06.15 | stew | _E-bola: 0.90.1 is in volatile |
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| 11:06.42 | stew | _E-bola: is that which your are asking about? or something different? |
| 11:07.01 | _E-bola | no im asking about 0.91 which fixes a serious exploitr |
| 11:07.30 | _E-bola | its the latest stabel release |
| 11:07.50 | _E-bola | i think it already crashed my 0.90.1 once |
| 11:07.59 | stew | _E-bola: well the answer to why it isn't there yet is becuase nobody from the volatile team has uploaded it yet |
| 11:08.10 | stew | _E-bola: you'd have to ask them why |
| 11:08.39 | _E-bola | Do you know how long it typically takes to be uploaded? Its relatively new |
| 11:08.46 | _E-bola | as in came out in the past few days |
| 11:08.49 | stew | _E-bola: http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/debian-volatile-announce-2007/msg00008.html |
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| 11:08.59 | stew | _E-bola: not covered by that one? |
| 11:09.49 | _E-bola | let me check the security id |
| 11:11.05 | karmatronic | beryl works out of the box with lenny ? |
| 11:11.26 | karmatronic | (apart from setting xorg.conf of course) |
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| 11:13.16 | xand | if I partition a disk and set the bootable flag, can I use rsync to copy from another disk, and the new one will Just Work? |
| 11:13.49 | abrotman | i thought the bootable flag was for !linux |
| 11:13.50 | wols_ | no |
| 11:14.12 | abrotman | karmatronic: not in debian ? |
| 11:14.17 | cast | yes, what is the bootable flag do anyway? |
| 11:14.23 | wols_ | xand: well it depends where you installed grub, but even then it won't work in almost any case |
| 11:14.28 | xand | why not? |
| 11:14.45 | karmatronic | abrotman: sorry ? |
| 11:14.47 | wols_ | with the normal MBR made by windows, all it tells that MBR: load the bootsector of that partitiona nd run it |
| 11:14.55 | xand | what's the best way then, given that the new disk is 4x the size of the old one |
| 11:15.22 | abrotman | yay renice |
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| 11:15.31 | wols_ | when you have grub in that partition's bootsector and you have the same offsets for satge 1.5 and stage 2 then it will work. almost never |
| 11:15.41 | waspius | any utility for capturing video through a webcam? |
| 11:15.42 | wols_ | xand: reinstall grub |
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| 11:15.54 | xand | apt-get install grub? |
| 11:16.01 | wols_ | no |
| 11:16.09 | wols_ | grub ist already the newest version |
| 11:16.22 | wols_ | man grub-install usually |
| 11:16.35 | _E-bola | stew: ohh it does cover it |
| 11:16.38 | _E-bola | cool |
| 11:16.50 | _E-bola | i always find backporting fixes in debian a bit confusing hehe |
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| 11:17.37 | xand | wols_: like grub-install /dev/sdb1 or something? |
| 11:17.56 | torrr | my cd is not mounting via nautilus |
| 11:18.26 | hatter | stew, where should notify about the via_sata driver being broken for the current etch kernel ? |
| 11:18.36 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.42 | stew | hatter: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 11:18.51 | wols_ | xand: are you booting fromt hat new install? |
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| 11:19.28 | torrr | stew: btw I changed to amd64 kernel, but still only about 3200MB are visable |
| 11:19.29 | hatter | stew, thx |
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| 11:20.13 | wols_ | torrr: your "free" is still 32bit |
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| 11:20.31 | wols_ | torrr: ls -l /proc/kcore. what size is it? |
| 11:21.02 | torrr | -r-------- 1 root root 3354988544 2007-07-12 14:20 /proc/kcore |
| 11:21.15 | wols_ | check your bIOS I guess |
| 11:21.33 | _E-bola | the chipset have to support 64bit as well doesnt it? |
| 11:21.56 | torrr | I have a dual core p4 |
| 11:22.00 | wols_ | the BIOS. the chipset shouldn't fit in since the memory controller is on the CPU |
| 11:22.13 | wols_ | ah ok, then yes. the memory controller is in the chipset |
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| 11:23.00 | veni | hi, i have a very imp data in my harddisk which is lvm partition of my existing harddisk |
| 11:23.13 | veni | now I am not able to mount that particular harddisk partitiion |
| 11:23.32 | veni | could some one please help me in recovering the data of that harddisk please |
| 11:23.37 | wols_ | !tell veni about ask |
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| 11:29.15 | beavel | heyou |
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| 11:30.23 | beavel | why do I get into overflow nad finaly when I get here, noones alive |
| 11:30.33 | abrotman | ? |
| 11:30.36 | waspius | anyone know of a program that you can make videos with a webcam? |
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| 11:31.46 | Ind[y] | Can I install gnome-sudoku and glChess without installing the whole gnome-games package (I want to install these two through the package manager)? |
| 11:31.57 | beavel | ok. I installed debian yesterday. What should I explore? |
| 11:32.12 | cydork | waspius: cat /dev/video ? :) |
| 11:32.32 | abrotman | beavel: what do you want to do ? |
| 11:32.50 | cydork | waspius: (you might want to redirect it to a file) |
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| 11:33.14 | beavel | find out how to work with it |
| 11:33.20 | wols_ | Ind[y]: have you tried? |
| 11:33.23 | beavel | I am new to it |
| 11:33.28 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 11:33.28 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 11:33.31 | waspius | cydork: can you help a bit more:) |
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| 11:33.42 | Ind[y] | wols_: yes, but it installed the whole gnome-games package |
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| 11:33.54 | wols_ | waspius: tvtime perhaps |
| 11:34.02 | cydork | waspius: cat /dev/video > file.mpg :) |
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| 11:34.18 | rgl | hi |
| 11:34.29 | beavel | a bot? |
| 11:34.35 | beavel | !ig |
| 11:34.36 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 11:34.57 | wols_ | Ind[y]: I doubt it: http://packages.debian.org/stable/games/gnome-sudoku says nothing about gnome-games |
| 11:35.06 | abrotman | beavel: /msg dpkg foo |
| 11:35.13 | wols_ | cydork: please give proper ansewrs. this won't work. ever |
| 11:35.18 | waspius | cydork: video does not exist..should i create it? |
| 11:35.31 | wols_ | waspius: are webcam drivers loaded? |
| 11:35.42 | Ind[y] | wols_: ok :/ |
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| 11:35.46 | cydork | wols_: why not??? :O |
| 11:35.46 | waspius | well as i can use it in amsn i think yes |
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| 11:35.54 | wols_ | Internat: are you using aptitude? |
| 11:36.12 | wols_ | waspius: then check what device file it uses while running amsn |
| 11:36.35 | waspius | wols_: ok..thanx |
| 11:37.05 | torrr | can I see my bios version anywhere? |
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| 11:37.27 | cydork | waspius: also there is camstream! |
| 11:37.31 | torrr | (well without a reboot) |
| 11:37.35 | wols_ | torrr: try dmidecode |
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| 11:38.40 | waspius | cydork: yeah i tried that but i cannot find the video options anywhere..and it seems like part of the image is missing..not from the camera but from the application |
| 11:38.55 | veni | hi, my fdisk -l output is as per http://pastebin.ca/615956 |
| 11:39.16 | veni | how can I mount the sdb1 partition and get the data from that partition |
| 11:39.21 | veni | help needed please |
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| 11:39.56 | irwiss | veni, I doubt there is data on sdb1 |
| 11:40.08 | irwiss | oi |
| 11:40.14 | cydork | waspius: try xawtv |
| 11:40.27 | veni | irwiss, oh, no. do u mean that I lost all the data? |
| 11:40.27 | irwiss | veni, Should've read to the end first :P |
| 11:40.32 | wols_ | veni: lvdisplay |
| 11:40.46 | wols_ | veni: http://www.google.de/search?q=mount+a+linux+lvm&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 11:40.49 | irwiss | veni, no no, disregard what I said |
| 11:40.49 | veni | wols_, it shows that no volume groups found |
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| 11:41.04 | karmatronic | back |
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| 11:42.20 | waspius | cydork: it only mentions capturing images from a webcam |
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| 11:43.03 | waspius | cydork: thanx though |
| 11:43.20 | veni | wols_, lvdisplay output shows |
| 11:43.23 | veni | wols_, Incorrect metadata area header checksum |
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| 11:44.40 | veni | wols_, its No volume groups found |
| 11:44.55 | veni | wols_, discard prev message |
| 11:45.17 | torrr | is there an app to see DVDs? |
| 11:45.34 | xand | !debian-multimedea |
| 11:45.36 | xand | !debian-multimedia |
| 11:45.36 | dpkg | well, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 11:45.45 | xand | torrr: you need that |
| 11:46.47 | veni | wols_, irwiss there is no way of recovering my data/ |
| 11:46.50 | veni | ? |
| 11:46.59 | wols_ | I don't know |
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| 11:48.12 | cydork | waspius: xawtv or streamer allow you to record videos too. |
| 11:48.50 | waspius | cydork: but only from tv right? |
| 11:48.58 | waspius | if u have a tv card |
| 11:49.09 | cydork | waspius: no video4linux works too |
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| 11:49.22 | waspius | ok i will check it..thanx |
| 11:49.25 | irwiss | veni, you could try testdisk package, not sure if it'll help |
| 11:49.26 | karmatronic | waspius: mencoder or vlc do a find job too |
| 11:50.02 | waspius | karmatronic: can you record a video with vlc through a webcam:S |
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| 11:50.12 | karmatronic | waspius: yeah |
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| 11:50.34 | waspius | karmatronic: ok can you tell me how?or is there a guide for that? |
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| 11:50.56 | karmatronic | waspius: you can even stream it |
| 11:51.15 | Arafangion | One would use webcam is one is trying to compete in image crapness. |
| 11:51.18 | Arafangion | *if |
| 11:51.20 | muszek | hi... what should I do when I delete something from a partition and space is not freed? according to baobab, my /home partition has 11GB of data. according to df, I have 0 bytes out of 35GB free on this partition |
| 11:51.38 | waspius | Arafangion: so what is your solution? |
| 11:51.40 | karmatronic | waspius: let me check the command line , but i can laready give you the command line i use for mencoder , if you want |
| 11:51.49 | muszek | and I just moved 8 GB to another partition.... |
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| 11:52.18 | waspius | karmatronic: well i dont really know..whatever you think is easier.. |
| 11:52.28 | wols_ | waspius: are those 8GB still open somewhere by some file? |
| 11:52.38 | wols_ | e.g. some p2p app which still uses them? |
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| 11:53.02 | waspius | wols_: which 8gb? |
| 11:53.17 | muszek | wols_: are you answering to my question? |
| 11:53.21 | wols_ | oops. muszek |
| 11:53.23 | karmatronic | waspius: mencoder is easier , for this particular task |
| 11:53.25 | muszek | :) |
| 11:53.34 | karmatronic | waspius: vlc is better for streaming |
| 11:53.38 | karmatronic | waspius: vlc -vvv v4l:/dev/video1 --sout '#transcode{vcodec=mp2v,vb=384}:standard{acce |
| 11:53.43 | karmatronic | ss=http,mux=ogg,url=:8081}' |
| 11:53.48 | waspius | karmatronic: i just want a application which i can record videos and take photos |
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| 11:54.03 | muszek | wols_: nope, I copied an unused dir with midnight commander |
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| 11:54.29 | wols_ | copy != move |
| 11:54.41 | muszek | wols_: sorry, I moved |
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| 11:54.44 | jelly-home | muszek: lsof -n|grep deleted |
| 11:55.29 | jelly-home | muszek: might give you a hint if there are deleted files that are still in use by some process |
| 11:56.03 | torrr | how do I add myself to sudoers file, I want to be asked root password each time I use it |
| 11:56.31 | muszek | ha! I closed rtorrent (these 8GB were downloaded and torrent was "removed" like 3 days ago, but rtorrent kept running in screen session) and I got my 8GB back. |
| 11:56.34 | jelly-home | torrr: well, if you want to be asked for root's password, just use "su" instead |
| 11:56.43 | karmatronic | waspisu , mencoder tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:device=/dev/video0 -o tv.avi -ovc lavc -oac lavc |
| 11:56.52 | karmatronic | waspius: mencoder tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:device=/dev/video0 -o tv.avi -ovc lavc -oac lavc |
| 11:57.18 | karmatronic | waspius: you can even use -endpos to tell how many seconds you want to record |
| 11:57.26 | torrr | jelly-home, I did, but it answers 'torrr is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.' |
| 11:57.43 | jelly-home | torrr: that's using sudo, not su |
| 11:57.46 | torrr | spooky ah |
| 11:57.51 | torrr | ah |
| 11:58.07 | torrr | ok |
| 11:58.17 | torrr | can I do it with sudo? |
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| 11:58.51 | waspius | karmatronic: thanx |
| 11:59.01 | muszek | anyways, I have a similar problem with my father's SuSE-based jukeboxes. total_space > used+available. and those machines are always rebooted before I touch them. Any ideas? |
| 11:59.07 | jelly-home | torrr: the point of using sudo is that you don't have to use root's password but yours, and to give only limited access to various users |
| 11:59.25 | xand | and thus insecure :D |
| 11:59.34 | jelly-home | ? |
| 11:59.43 | cast | if you want to type the root passwd just use su -c imho |
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| 11:59.54 | torrr | jelly-home, ok, can I be asked the password each time? |
| 12:00.38 | jelly-home | torrr: yes, you can. man sudoers |
| 12:00.56 | torrr | manning |
| 12:01.28 | jelly-home | torrr: look for timestamp |
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| 12:03.44 | wols_ | muszek: yes. ask #suse |
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| 12:04.42 | muszek | wols_: these jukeboxes use some ancient releases, probably like 5-7 years old |
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| 12:05.47 | jelly-home | muszek: however, that doesn't magically make them debian |
| 12:06.34 | slaq | i'm having a HUGE problem with samba 3.0.24-6. it allows *ALL* users access to *ALL* directories when "hide unreadable = yes" is set in smb.conf. even to directories owned by a DIFFERENT user (and perms set to 0700) |
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| 12:06.43 | muszek | jelly-home: ok, ok... I don't have them nearby anyway. Thanks for the earlier hint. |
| 12:07.16 | shwouchk | how can I make samba allow passwordless and userless browsing of shares? |
| 12:07.22 | cast | slaq: samba probably has its own channel |
| 12:07.24 | Arafangion | slaq: You have a HUGE problem with your unix permissions. |
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| 12:08.00 | slaq | Arafangion, no, i have tripled checked it. feel free to reproduce: set the option i mentioned in your smb.conf .. create a directory readable only for root (0700) .. and cd to it from a mount |
| 12:08.07 | shwouchk | how can I make samba allow passwordless and userless browsing of shares? |
| 12:08.09 | shwouchk | oops |
| 12:08.11 | shwouchk | sorry |
| 12:08.42 | torrr | the keyserver timed out |
| 12:08.44 | Arafangion | slaq: And what happens if you don't set that option? |
| 12:08.45 | torrr | :( |
| 12:08.55 | neosmatri|x| | shwouchk: man fstab :) |
| 12:09.02 | torrr | subkeys.pgp.net |
| 12:09.26 | shwouchk | neosmatri|x|: what does this have to do wih fstab? I want windows machines to browse this one's shares |
| 12:09.37 | slaq | Arafangion, then it *appears* to work correctly but i assume that's only because the _client_ now sees the permissions upfront and honors them.. further i figured out that the files dont seem to actually be readable, but you get full directory listings with all filenames |
| 12:09.58 | Arafangion | slaq: I'd post it onto their mailing list. |
| 12:10.04 | Arafangion | slaq: Things rarely get ignored. |
| 12:10.21 | slaq | shit no, i can even READ the files |
| 12:10.39 | slaq | immediately after reading a file it switches to permission denied for that directory |
| 12:10.42 | slaq | omfg |
| 12:10.42 | Decepticon | test |
| 12:11.07 | cast | torrr: it it again, subkeys.pgp.net is round robin to 10ish keyservers iirc |
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| 12:11.36 | cast | ok, maybe only 5. |
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| 12:12.16 | subx | ive setup a hard-drive on my server what id like to share with another 2 linux machines, im unsure of what sharing software to use: MFS, Samba, or fssh? |
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| 12:12.39 | subx | *NFS |
| 12:13.03 | cast | depends on what you want |
| 12:13.21 | cast | NFSv3 is easy, but not very secure. if you have a lan you might not care about that |
| 12:13.52 | subx | what about SSHFS ? |
| 12:14.07 | cast | really slow. but sure, alot more secure |
| 12:14.19 | subx | ok |
| 12:14.33 | subx | i found out about sshfs here: http://debaday.debian.net/2007/04/22/sshfs-easy-and-secure-access-to-a-remote-file-system/ |
| 12:14.42 | cast | there's ftpfs too, which is going to be alot faster than sshfs |
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| 12:15.12 | subx | ok |
| 12:15.30 | subx | if im just sharing on my LAN it doesnt need to be secure |
| 12:15.41 | subx | maybe i should just stick with NFS |
| 12:15.43 | abrotman | if you're going to use ftpfs ... migth as well use samba or nfs |
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| 12:16.08 | subx | SSHFS sounds handy if u need to mount a drive remotely |
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| 12:17.23 | subx | infact i dont think any linux software exists what allows u to mount a drive remotely secure |
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| 12:18.28 | jelly-home | sshfs! |
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| 12:18.42 | jelly-home | nfsv4, if it worked on linux |
| 12:19.13 | cast | jelly-home: it does, doesn't it? |
| 12:19.24 | jelly-home | I haven't tried |
| 12:19.41 | jelly-home | nfs on linux doesn't appeal to me |
| 12:19.59 | hatter | jelly-home, why is that ? |
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| 12:20.39 | jelly-home | there's been a history of miscompatibility with other implementations, say solaris |
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| 12:22.07 | jelly-home | but whatever, channel security can be added on another layer, just use vpn between the endpoints |
| 12:22.24 | wwallace_ | http://paste.debian.net/32506 |
| 12:22.35 | wwallace_ | params.c:Parameter() - Ignoring badly formed line in configuration file: /etc/samba/smb |
| 12:22.56 | wwallace_ | i cant figure what is the malformed line? |
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| 12:27.12 | stew | wwallace_: and this is in distro? pclinuxos? kanotix? |
| 12:27.24 | wwallace_ | kanotix |
| 12:27.36 | stew | wwallace_: as i've told you many times in the past. you are off-topic in here |
| 12:27.41 | wwallace_ | but i think thats irrelevant |
| 12:27.43 | alanhaggai | I always get "CPU1: Temperature/speed normal" messages in my terminal (not while in KDE). How can I get rid of those messages? |
| 12:27.46 | stew | wwallace_: please go to #kanotix |
| 12:28.01 | wwallace_ | ha1 |
| 12:28.05 | wwallace_ | i forgot |
| 12:28.09 | treffer | Hi, I need to setup a minimalistic chroot for gforge (svn+ssh) in a amd64 xen domain, but I can't get it to work. Is there a good how-to for building minimalistic chroot's under debian (beside lfs)? |
| 12:28.11 | wwallace_ | this is #debian |
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| 12:28.43 | cast | how the fuck do you forget that |
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| 12:30.17 | Penix | treffer: man debootstrap |
| 12:30.33 | Penix | treffer: or apt-get install it first |
| 12:30.34 | treffer | Penix: yes, but it installs way more stuff than needed |
| 12:31.13 | treffer | Penix: I don't want apt, wget, pciutils, coreutils, .... just about everything debootstrap wants to install.... |
| 12:31.42 | stew | treffer: why don't you want coreutils? |
| 12:31.48 | Penix | treffer: not into stripping it down? |
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| 12:32.23 | alanhaggai | Anyone know the solution to the question I asked earlier? |
| 12:32.28 | treffer | stew, Penix: the users should not be able to do anything but svn co ssh+svn://...... |
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| 12:33.54 | Penix | treffer: http://www.gophernet.org/articles/svn/ looks slightly helpful |
| 12:34.08 | Penix | treffer: seems you can chroot just the svn server related tools |
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| 12:34.17 | Penix | treffer: could probably throw ssh in to the mix somehow |
| 12:34.32 | treffer | Penix: shit, I didn't know that |
| 12:35.21 | Penix | can be done with apache, bind etc. wasn't sure about svn though |
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| 12:35.58 | stew | treffer: you need coreutils |
| 12:36.09 | treffer | stew: why? |
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| 12:36.45 | stew | treffer: how are you going to start ssh? |
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| 12:38.04 | treffer | stew: chroot? I don't need coreutils _inside_ the chroot environment |
| 12:38.21 | stew | treffer: how are you going to start ssh inside the chroot environment? |
| 12:39.16 | treffer | stew: "chroot /srv /bin/sshd" ? or a bash skript? /var/db/pkg/sys-apps/coreutils-6.9-r1/CONTENTS doesn't show a single programm I'd need.... |
| 12:39.18 | ynezz | Hello, I would like to setup a mail system on my new VPS (512MB). What daemons would you recommend for MTA and IMAP ? It should be TLS/SSL capable. Thanks |
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| 12:40.02 | ynezz | i'm out of loop for quite a long time, so I don't know what's recommended today :) |
| 12:40.14 | wols_ | ynezz: exim4, postfix, and courier-image, dovecot |
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| 12:40.52 | ynezz | what's considered more secure? :) |
| 12:41.04 | ynezz | probably postfix/dovecot? |
| 12:41.15 | wols_ | a discnnected machine. on the ocean floor. in 1 m^3 concrete |
| 12:41.16 | treffer | stew: I've also used busybox in an initramfs, there is absolutly no need for coreutils.... I'll give the ldd mess a try... thanks Penix ;) |
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| 12:41.24 | ynezz | wols_: ok :) |
| 12:41.59 | ynezz | thanks anyway |
| 12:43.01 | hatter | !penixstrike hatter |
| 12:43.01 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking hatter to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 12:51.47 | claudio` | Hey guys, i'm trying to build a linux-2.6.22 but i get a kernel panic: http://rafb.net/p/dddZfi69.nln.html . Does anyone have an idea? |
| 12:52.15 | claudio` | Of course i've included SCSI (disk and cdrom) support and all required filesystems supports. |
| 12:52.55 | abrotman | first: why are you building a kernel ? |
| 12:53.11 | claudio` | abrotman: because i like to do it. |
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| 12:53.19 | abrotman | then you should know how :) |
| 12:53.44 | claudio` | abrotman: THX for your help |
| 12:53.47 | abrotman | you've clearly left out an important bit .. like rootfs or a pci chipset driver |
| 12:53.48 | claudio` | abrotman: i'll find a solution. |
| 12:53.54 | claudio` | uhm.. |
| 12:54.00 | claudio` | is it possible it's an initrd stuff? |
| 12:54.03 | abrotman | claudio`: start with a working conf .. whittle it down til you get what you want |
| 12:54.09 | abrotman | that's another possibility |
| 12:54.28 | stew | claudio`: either you didn't include the drivers for your hard disk controller, or your filesystem, or sda1 isn't the correct device for / |
| 12:54.52 | stew | claudio`: they either must be built in directly (*) not (M) or you need an initrd |
| 12:55.20 | claudio` | stew: i've hardcoded everything in the bzImage without using any module |
| 12:55.27 | claudio` | anyway, i'll check the configuration again :\ |
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| 12:57.54 | claudio` | abrotman: anyway i need to build the kernel in order to use the ipw3945 wireless drivers. |
| 12:58.47 | stew | claudio`: you don't have to build a kernel to use ipw3945 |
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| 12:59.12 | claudio` | stew: i tried to build the ieee but without results |
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| 12:59.27 | claudio` | stew: can you point me to a good howto/URL? |
| 12:59.43 | irwiss | claudio`, sudo m-a a-i ipw3945 |
| 13:00.24 | stew | claudio`: if you were using a debian kernel, it already has ieee80211 and you would just need to "aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r)" with any kernel you can "m-a a-i ipw3945" if you have the kernel headers or configured kernel source installed |
| 13:00.39 | torrr | I added debian-multimedia site to source.list, what package do i need toinstall, I searched in synaptic, and found only debian-multimedia-keyring |
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| 13:02.04 | hark | torrr: what do you need? |
| 13:02.14 | torrr | to see dvd |
| 13:02.20 | claudio` | irwiss, stew i'll try with your instructions. THX in advance. |
| 13:02.21 | xyz123 | Why is the exitcode from this "0" - echo "test" | mutt -s "$DATE" myemail@gmail.com - but when i check my email there is nothing... |
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| 13:04.58 | hark | torrr: libdvdcss2 or similar probably |
| 13:05.00 | claudio` | there are no modules for ipw3945 in the Debian respositories. |
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| 13:05.13 | novell123 | hi everibody |
| 13:05.24 | stew | !info ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-4-686 stable |
| 13:05.26 | dpkg | ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-4-686: (Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG (ipw3945) driver modules for Linux 2.6.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section contrib/admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+1.1.2-4+etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 319 kB, Installed size: 940 kB |
| 13:05.37 | stew | !info ipw3945-source stable |
| 13:05.39 | dpkg | ipw3945-source: (Source for the Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG (ipw3945) driver), section contrib/net, is extra. Version: 1.1.2-7 (etch), Packaged size: 160 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 13:05.51 | hark | claudio`: add contrib/non-free |
| 13:05.55 | claudio` | aaah |
| 13:05.56 | claudio` | ok! |
| 13:05.57 | claudio` | ;) |
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| 13:08.56 | hark | you'll also need the binary daemon as well iirc (ipw3945d) |
| 13:09.03 | stew | and firmware |
| 13:10.47 | stickybit` | stew: do you know any mysql front end package name?.... n00b here |
| 13:12.27 | claudio` | can't i load the module until i install the firmware? |
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| 13:12.54 | stew | claudio`: the module won't load until you've installed the firmware packagee |
| 13:13.12 | stew | stickybit`: dunno, i use /usr/bin/mysql |
| 13:13.42 | stickybit` | stew: i also use that only.... thanks |
| 13:13.48 | claudio` | stew: i've installed everything except the ipw3945 daemon but i'm not able to load the ipw3945 module. |
| 13:14.23 | stew | claudio`: install the daemon and the firmware |
| 13:14.24 | claudio` | FATAL: Error inserting ipw3945 (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw3945.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 13:14.28 | claudio` | stew: ok |
| 13:14.38 | stew | claudio`: wait, what does "uname -r" say? |
| 13:14.50 | claudio` | stew: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 13:15.20 | stew | claudio`: and how did you install the module? |
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| 13:15.37 | claudio` | stew: apt-get install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) |
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| 13:15.50 | stew | wierd |
| 13:16.10 | claudio` | :\ |
| 13:16.10 | novell123 | i've some problem to read .avi, .mp3, .mpg, dvd and the others multimedias files... i tried to install mplayer but it doesn't work so i tried to install the all plugins package for totem but it desn't work.... what i can do now?? |
| 13:16.36 | stew | claudio`: and what does dmesg have to say? |
| 13:17.01 | claudio` | stew: i get a lot of unknown symbols |
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| 13:17.19 | claudio` | stew: expecially about ieee80211 |
| 13:17.41 | Knight_Lord | My XFS filesystem had this slight problem |
| 13:17.42 | Knight_Lord | Filesystem "md0": Corruption of in-memory data detected. Shutting down filesystem: md0 |
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| 13:18.00 | Knight_Lord | And now i'm trying to repair it with xfs_repair -L, but the process keeps getting killed by lack of memory |
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| 13:18.08 | Knight_Lord | Can anyone help me? |
| 13:18.23 | trombo | hi, i tried qemu-make-debian-root which uses debootstrap, everything looked fine till I wanted to boot with debian standard kernel: qemu disk.img -kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 and it resulted in error:Kernel panic not syncing: VfS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(9.0). I guess initrd and even modules should be missing. Do you know an easy way to get around this? |
| 13:18.24 | hark | claudio`: did you try to compile ieee80211? |
| 13:18.38 | stew | claudio`: perhaps you need to "m-a a-i ieee80211" |
| 13:18.43 | claudio` | hark: yes but i got errors |
| 13:18.46 | claudio` | stew: i'm trying |
| 13:19.02 | claudio` | stew: i get installation failed |
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| 13:19.22 | hark | ieee80211 isn't there now, afaik |
| 13:19.28 | claudio` | "Installation of the ieee80211-source source failed. -- Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives." |
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| 13:21.20 | stickybit` | stew: i found phpmyadmin as a front end for mysql... thanks |
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| 13:22.05 | hark | claudio`: you overwrote the kernel ieee80211 modules, reinstalling the linux-image might do the trick |
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| 13:22.41 | claudio` | linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 is already the newest version. |
| 13:23.17 | claudio` | hark: how i overwrote the kernel modules? |
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| 13:23.41 | claudio` | hark: i didn't install the ieee80211 due to some compilation error. |
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| 13:24.58 | irwiss | trombo, -initrd /path/to/initrd.gz ? |
| 13:25.05 | hark | claudio`: modprobe -r ieee80211 and modprobe it again |
| 13:25.09 | stew | claudio`: what version of linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 is installed? |
| 13:26.15 | claudio` | stew: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2 |
| 13:26.17 | trombo | irwiss ... |
| 13:26.19 | claudio` | hark: FATAL: Module ieee80211 not found. |
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| 13:26.58 | stew | claudio`: does 'modprobe ieee80211' work? |
| 13:27.13 | claudio` | no, not anymor |
| 13:27.15 | claudio` | *anymore |
| 13:27.52 | stew | claudio`: do you get an error? |
| 13:28.20 | claudio` | stew: FATAL: Module ieee80211 not found. |
| 13:28.22 | claudio` | this is the only output |
| 13:28.37 | claudio` | also with the ``-v'' flag. |
| 13:28.39 | stew | !find ieee80211.ko stable |
| 13:28.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ieee80211.ko' (3 of 10): (/usr/lib/uml/modules/2.6.18/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko) in misc/user-mode-linux ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-486. |
| 13:28.57 | hark | claudio`: aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6-18-4-686 |
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| 13:29.29 | claudio` | ok |
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| 13:30.22 | claudio` | done |
| 13:30.36 | gamayun | Hi guys. LILO question. Can you install 2 different linux distros and use LILO as a bootloader? |
| 13:30.40 | claudio` | loaded |
| 13:30.42 | claudio` | hark: it works! |
| 13:31.00 | hark | that was quick |
| 13:31.16 | claudio` | yes, anyway i haven't the new wireless interface |
| 13:31.23 | subx | gamayun: does the bear sh** in the woods? |
| 13:31.29 | claudio` | ah i need ipw3945 |
| 13:31.38 | hark | install ipw3945d |
| 13:31.42 | claudio` | yeah |
| 13:31.43 | gamayun | vodka |
| 13:31.46 | claudio` | i have it |
| 13:31.53 | claudio` | THX a lot hark stew and the others ;) |
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| 13:32.46 | gamayun | subx: i haven't seen bear sh** for ages |
| 13:33.14 | gamayun | what about LILO? |
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| 13:33.51 | stew | gamayun: yes, you can boot 2 different linux distros with lilo |
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| 13:35.43 | gamayun | i tried recently. it couldn't see two boot partitions. |
| 13:35.56 | Throat | what's sh**? |
| 13:36.01 | Throat | you want us to be silent? |
| 13:36.30 | gamayun | so i had choose 1 of t linuxes |
| 13:36.45 | stew | gamayun: have the 2 linuxes share a boot partition |
| 13:36.52 | gamayun | no |
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| 13:37.16 | gamayun | 1 on /dev/sda3 , 2 on /dev/sda4 |
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| 13:37.44 | gamayun | + i have windows /dev/sda1 |
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| 13:38.00 | gamayun | sorry about that |
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| 13:39.25 | trombo | irwiss: -initrd helped thx, till next hang (: |
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| 13:40.38 | harpal | gamayun: you have lilo installed on which partition? |
| 13:40.48 | gamayun | mbr |
| 13:41.11 | gamayun | lilo on /dev/sda4 |
| 13:42.25 | harpal | then you have to add /dev/sda3 entry in lilo |
| 13:42.35 | gamayun | yes i did |
| 13:44.05 | claudio` | Does WPA already works? |
| 13:44.12 | gamayun | it said something like: cant find kernel on that partition |
| 13:45.39 | gamayun | ok, thanks i will try once more. i boot it under grub no probs. just to want know if lilo capable to do the job. |
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| 13:48.35 | irwiss | trombo, Have fun XD |
| 13:48.58 | hudhoed | can anyone help me how to update kernel in debian????? |
| 13:49.02 | nile | should I file a bug on a package if there is a new version of the software out? |
| 13:49.17 | nile | hudhoed, sure - what problems are you having? |
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| 13:50.17 | torrr | my cd is stuck in the dvd |
| 13:50.24 | torrr | :S |
| 13:50.24 | mosty | nile, is the bug in the new version too? |
| 13:50.51 | hudhoed | nile: after install it, I can't use my OS how |
| 13:50.55 | torrr | damn dvd |
| 13:51.36 | banja | torrr, Did you unmount before trying to take it out ? |
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| 13:52.35 | torrr | banja, I tried it with the nautilus... so no. but I try to umount /cdrom, and it replies that /cdrom is not mounted |
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| 13:52.52 | faber4 | hi everybody |
| 13:53.01 | faber4 | whats the nick name of "testing" ? |
| 13:53.05 | banja | torrr, what distro are you using ? |
| 13:53.17 | abrotman | !lenny |
| 13:53.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 13:53.20 | torrr | etch |
| 13:53.31 | faber4 | torrr: etch is stable, isnt it? |
| 13:53.40 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:53.41 | torrr | faber4, yes |
| 13:53.45 | abrotman | lenny is testing , etch is stable |
| 13:54.04 | torrr | I guess it isn't /cdrom |
| 13:54.11 | banja | torrr, cd to /media and check there. It might be mounted under /media/cdrom, not under /cdrom |
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| 13:54.43 | torrr | banja, yes it is in /media/DVDVolume, but when I try to umount it say device is busy |
| 13:55.19 | torrr | tried -f, no luck |
| 13:55.26 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 13:55.39 | banja | torrr, you must be accessing it. Close all probable windows |
| 13:55.40 | karmatronic | if you re running testing , and have some packages from unstable , is it betteto upgrade to unstable and can you wait for those packages to reach testing ... |
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| 13:55.55 | Posterdati | please I need help with xfig on debian: everytime I run xfig I have to reconfigure it... How can I fix this? |
| 13:56.13 | Pc_Dark | is it possible to store a binary in something other than a file |
| 13:56.21 | karmatronic | beeing unfert the well known assumption that one shouldnt mix versions |
| 13:56.22 | torrr | banja, I closed mine but it is a server... more people are loged in |
| 13:56.33 | wols_ | Pc_Dark: makes not a whole sense |
| 13:56.44 | Pc_Dark | such as an inode or something instead |
| 13:57.18 | wols_ | possible yes |
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| 13:58.07 | wols_ | but you'd need a shitton of inodes for a whole file. inodes itself are bad since the filesystem gets inconsistent then |
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| 13:58.23 | wols_ | but other was are possible. a bad block marked sector for example |
| 13:58.25 | ma3x | hello. after i suspend/resume i try to reboot and it freezes saying "restarting system ." |
| 13:58.27 | ma3x | why is that? |
| 13:58.56 | mosty | ma3x, how old is the machine? |
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| 13:59.52 | banja | torrr, and sure your wd (working directory) is not right where the cd is mounted ? |
| 14:00.19 | korhojoa | hello |
| 14:00.33 | korhojoa | i'm trying to get ftdi_sio built |
| 14:00.38 | korhojoa | but it only gives me a ftdi_sio.o file |
| 14:00.43 | torrr | Bac9, yes |
| 14:00.46 | korhojoa | instead of the ftdi_sio.ko that i need |
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| 14:00.49 | korhojoa | how can i achieve this? |
| 14:01.12 | wols_ | how are you trying to build it? |
| 14:01.29 | korhojoa | make drivers/usb/ftdi_sio |
| 14:01.38 | wols_ | in the kernel tree? |
| 14:01.41 | korhojoa | or is this "doing it wrong"? |
| 14:01.44 | ma3x | mosty, very new |
| 14:01.45 | wols_ | use the kp-mantra |
| 14:01.53 | korhojoa | in /usr/src/linux-2.6.21.1/ |
| 14:01.59 | mosty | ma3x, are you using acpi? |
| 14:02.01 | korhojoa | kp-mantra? |
| 14:02.05 | ma3x | mosty, yes! |
| 14:02.08 | wols_ | !tell korhojoa about kp-mantra |
| 14:02.17 | mosty | ma3x, is it a laptop? |
| 14:02.21 | ma3x | mosty, yes |
| 14:02.28 | mosty | ma3x, what make? |
| 14:02.28 | torrr | banja, yes |
| 14:02.40 | ma3x | mosty, fujitsu siemens |
| 14:02.52 | korhojoa | wols_: ehn. what is that going to do, exactly? |
| 14:02.55 | banja | torrr, ? is it or is not ? |
| 14:03.05 | mosty | ma3x, in the kernel config there are some laptop specific acpi options i think. you could also try using apm instead of acpi |
| 14:03.11 | wols_ | korhojoa: kernel-package is the debian way to compile kernels. use it |
| 14:03.18 | torrr | banja, no it is not at that directory |
| 14:03.23 | korhojoa | ookay. |
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| 14:04.03 | banja | torrr, ok. Still sure, it is being accessed... Should find where ... |
| 14:04.12 | torrr | how? |
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| 14:05.32 | banja | torrr, do you have eject install ? If yes, try it |
| 14:05.34 | ma3x | mosty, it's not acpi the problem, because it is unloaded before reboot |
| 14:05.57 | korhojoa | wols_: i don't need the entire kernel. i just need the module. |
| 14:06.01 | torrr | banja, I have eject on nautilus |
| 14:06.07 | torrr | banja, is that it? |
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| 14:06.16 | mosty | ma3x, i thought you would need it to be loaded for the reboot |
| 14:06.36 | banja | torrr, close you x session, then try from a terminal |
| 14:07.01 | ma3x | mosty, the shutdown or reboot process unloads everything (level 0) |
| 14:07.30 | torrr | banja, I found eject in synaptic I have it installed, it gets the same device is busy error |
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| 14:09.55 | ma3x | so why is my 'reboot' saying Restarting system |
| 14:09.56 | ma3x | then . |
| 14:10.00 | ma3x | and it doesn't restart it |
| 14:10.40 | mosty | i imagine because your motherboard/bios has a strange acpi implementation |
| 14:10.50 | ma3x | oh come on |
| 14:10.55 | ma3x | it only happens after suspend/resume |
| 14:10.57 | ma3x | otherwise it's fine |
| 14:11.12 | azeem | suspend/resume involves ACPI |
| 14:11.27 | ma3x | bios or the software acpi/ |
| 14:11.48 | mosty | suspend/resume is known to be flakey in linux |
| 14:11.55 | p-a-venk | when closing epiphany after chatting on gmail, it goes not responding.. i either have to force quit epiphany or press the cancel button and wait for ever.. force quit seems to close all instances of epiphany.. any clues to get it right? |
| 14:11.58 | mosty | i'd say that's where the problem lies |
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| 14:13.07 | ma3x | so what do I do? |
| 14:13.11 | ma3x | start using apm? |
| 14:13.32 | torrr | banja, umount -l worked |
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| 14:13.36 | g0rd0n | i got sarge. what is the best way to upgrade to etch? just change source.list and do apt dist-upgrade? or is there a safer method |
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| 14:14.10 | stew | g0rd0n: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 14:14.19 | mosty | ma3x, no. look for help from the developers of whatever suspend/resume solution you use |
| 14:14.48 | mosty | ma3x, or just learn to live with pressing the power button on your laptop when it happens |
| 14:14.54 | ma3x | ok |
| 14:14.57 | ma3x | thnks |
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| 14:20.02 | korhojoa | so, anyone know how i could just build an individual module for my system? |
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| 14:20.38 | junix|work | what is the default mail cli client hat gets installed? |
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| 14:21.02 | streuner | korhojoa: get the headers for you kernel and read README about |
| 14:21.15 | streuner | s/you/your/ |
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| 14:21.28 | streuner | korhojoa: does the module have a name? |
| 14:21.44 | streuner | junix659: none |
| 14:22.01 | streuner | not even telnet.. ;-) |
| 14:22.09 | junix|work | i need a good one to test... |
| 14:22.13 | junix|work | can you reccommend? |
| 14:22.15 | streuner | junix659: most people use mutt |
| 14:22.21 | junix|work | i don't like mutt |
| 14:22.25 | streuner | well |
| 14:23.05 | mosty | korhojoa, use the makefile that came with the module? |
| 14:23.12 | streuner | apt-cache search mail client |
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| 14:24.10 | stew | or apt-cahce showpkg mail-reader |
| 14:24.18 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.26 | wols_ | sry. mispaste |
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| 14:25.09 | streuner | wols_: there is simple word in IRC who use(d) most people --> ECHAN |
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| 14:25.38 | stew | !tell root___ about root |
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| 14:29.40 | keith4_ | can someone tell me how to access a usb flash drive? i can't seem to get it to work |
| 14:30.09 | keith4_ | dmesg shows the UFD being plugged in |
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| 14:30.22 | keith4_ | but i don't think udev is making an entry for it |
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| 14:30.39 | stew | keith4_: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 14:30.46 | keith4_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.53 | keith4_ | heh |
| 14:30.56 | keith4_ | stupid mouse paste |
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| 14:31.40 | anapivirtua | Hi world |
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| 14:31.45 | korhojoa | mosty: ehhn- i don't know if there is one. |
| 14:31.54 | keith4_ | stew: i don't have either of those modules.... so I assume they're built into the kernel |
| 14:32.27 | stew | keith4_: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 14:32.37 | keith4_ | 2.6.15 |
| 14:32.39 | keith4_ | old testing box |
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| 14:33.09 | korhojoa | oookaayy, so i tried a simple "make drivers/usb/serial/ftdi_sio" but it errored:" cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-m" " |
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| 14:33.24 | stew | keith4_: its not a debian kernel then, i have no idea if they are built in or not |
| 14:33.36 | StarkD_ | Hi! I'm trying to learn LaTeX using Vim and vim-latexsuite. Which LaTeX component should I install? I'm using Debian Etch |
| 14:33.57 | keith4_ | ah crap. i might have built a kernel on this POS |
| 14:34.01 | stew | keith4_: perhaps you can "grep CONFIG_USB_STORAGE /boot/config-$(uname -r)" |
| 14:35.18 | karmatronic | StarkD_: tetex |
| 14:35.41 | keith4_ | what's the threshold for needing a bigmem kernel? |
| 14:35.42 | karmatronic | StarkD_: might have a look at lyx too (wysiwyg lateX editor) |
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| 14:36.02 | StarkD_ | karmatronic: ok thanks |
| 14:36.45 | SnarceZ | hi all! is there a way to check witch hardwares alsa views? |
| 14:37.17 | karmatronic | StarkD_: and there s also a python script (of course :) to see what you type in relatime |
| 14:37.22 | karmatronic | StarkD_: http://tapas.affenbande.org/wordpress/?page_id=71 |
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| 14:38.04 | karmatronic | SnarceZ: witch? |
| 14:38.24 | karmatronic | SnarceZ: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 14:38.49 | SnarceZ | sorry for my english |
| 14:38.52 | SnarceZ | XD |
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| 14:39.39 | SnarceZ | thanks! it works... |
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| 14:40.25 | keith4 | ah |
| 14:40.27 | keith4 | much better |
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| 14:46.13 | HostilePenguin | what is this ibhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set |
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| 14:50.39 | armbar | hello |
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| 14:52.18 | biopyte | OT! I apologize for this absolutely OTQ, but maybe you forgive a debian user :). arriving in the usa, i need immediately a phone solution (cell phone using prepaid card), that i can buy at the airport or downtown. what are common companies with stores? verizon? t-mobile? |
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| 14:54.02 | armbar | I noticed there is not an /etc/groups file in debian 4. |
| 14:54.13 | chops | armbar: /etc/group perhaps? |
| 14:54.20 | armbar | and there is not a wheel entry in /etc/group |
| 14:54.53 | armbar | chops: is wheel depreciated in /etc/group |
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| 14:55.40 | chops | armbar: I don't see a wheel group on my sarge system either. Are you sure you aren't looking for the 'root' or 'adm' group? |
| 14:55.55 | chops | armbar: 'adm' generally means the administrative users group |
| 14:56.00 | chops | armbar: In debian |
| 14:56.03 | armbar | ok |
| 14:56.32 | stew | armbar: i don't know if debian has ever, by default, had a wheel group. what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:56.55 | armbar | add a user to su? or is this the default for all users |
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| 14:57.19 | stew | armbar: any user can use su |
| 14:57.24 | armbar | ok |
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| 14:58.42 | wols_ | is there a solution for a screen(1) like behavoir for X besides vnc? |
| 14:58.48 | wols_ | if so what? |
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| 14:59.54 | Nyle | awe fuck |
| 15:00.10 | Nyle | two of my techs called in sick and i have to pick up the slack for em. phooey |
| 15:00.27 | Nyle | screen for X |
| 15:00.32 | Nyle | hmm, would be useful |
| 15:00.55 | Nyle | but wouldn't xclients die on xserver kill? |
| 15:01.08 | Nyle | how would you make scren work with x apps |
| 15:01.14 | x_link | wols_: Hi man. I can only find kernelmodules for 2.6.18-4-k7 (which is what I'm using now). I can't find for the new kernel that Debian Testing upgradede to yesterday. |
| 15:01.19 | x_link | Which is 2.6.21-2-k7 |
| 15:01.35 | wols_ | x_link: you are supposed to compile them on your own |
| 15:01.40 | chops | x_link: Frequently you have to use m-a to compile modules for non-stable kernels |
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| 15:01.53 | x_link | Ahh okej. |
| 15:02.01 | x_link | So that's why my thing didn't work yesterday. |
| 15:02.22 | banja | torrr, Sorry was on my server. Are things ok ? |
| 15:02.40 | torrr | yea |
| 15:02.45 | torrr | banja, umount -l worked |
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| 15:03.11 | banja | torrr, Good :) |
| 15:03.19 | torrr | :) |
| 15:03.24 | foutrelis | hmmm.. is there an easy way to allow ssh users only in their home directories? :\ |
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| 15:03.41 | junix|work | what does error on line 22 mean for apache2?? |
| 15:03.49 | torrr | it is a lazy umount first unmount then sort out problems |
| 15:04.12 | karmatronic | foutrelis: yes |
| 15:04.18 | foutrelis | junix659: Check the configuration file at that line. Maybe /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 15:04.22 | foutrelis | karmatronic: tell me :) |
| 15:04.26 | karmatronic | foutrelis: but you have to use a prepared version of ssh |
| 15:04.35 | foutrelis | karmatronic: It's ok :) |
| 15:05.26 | karmatronic | foutrelis: i m lookin for the link |
| 15:05.31 | foutrelis | karmatronic: thanks |
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| 15:06.56 | karmatronic | foutrelis: i uzse it at home , so that my friends can grab my music but dont acceed anything else |
| 15:07.09 | karmatronic | foutrelis: access |
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| 15:07.55 | gaw | hello I change the os from on a debian box from sarge to edge, now ssh -X doesn't run. At login I get the msg "with error msg /usr/bin/X11/xauth: /home/edgeuser/.Xauthority not writable, changes will be ignored" What is changing in edge with ssh- X and xauth? |
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| 15:08.58 | \amethyst | gaw: what are the permissions and ownership of that file? |
| 15:09.05 | DosKey | Hello people. |
| 15:09.55 | gaw | \amethyst: 600 |
| 15:10.05 | \amethyst | gaw: is it owned by edgeuser? |
| 15:10.19 | gaw | \amethyst: no, by root |
| 15:10.31 | \amethyst | gaw: that's the problem... it should be owned by the user |
| 15:10.39 | \amethyst | gaw: chown edgeuser .Xauthority |
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| 15:12.07 | SnarceZ | I have problem with an usb hatrdware, a headphone with built in microphone. Alsa views it and I can hear clearly but the microphone doesn't work... |
| 15:12.12 | gaw | \amethyst: the sames error |
| 15:12.15 | SnarceZ | what could it be? |
| 15:12.31 | \amethyst | gaw: This is on the remote machine, right? |
| 15:12.40 | foutrelis | karmatronic: I found this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html |
| 15:12.54 | gaw | \amethyst: yes |
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| 15:13.45 | \amethyst | gaw: hm... so ls -l .Xauthority now shows it being mode 600, owner edgeuser ? |
| 15:13.58 | gaw | \amethyst: yes |
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| 15:15.42 | \amethyst | gaw: what about on the local machine? |
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| 15:17.13 | gaw | \amethyst: on the local machine (the sarge box) the .Xauthority has mode 600 and belongs to the user. |
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| 15:17.59 | \amethyst | gaw: hm... if you run xauth -i list on the remote machine, does it give you the same error, or does it print stuff like localhost.localdomain/unix:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 8aca12625513122c43e9d53cbd35a9a7 |
| 15:18.03 | gaw | \amethyst: from the edge box to the sarge box ssh -X runs perfectly |
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| 15:19.13 | odla | where in the gconf-editor would i be able to disable the default icons on a gnome desktop? |
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| 15:19.51 | SamuraiDio | hi |
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| 15:19.55 | gaw | \amethyst: xauth -i message: Ignoring locks on authority file /home/edgeuser/.Xauthority |
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| 15:20.07 | \amethyst | odla: look in apps/nautilus/desktop |
| 15:20.09 | SamuraiDio | does someone knows a good way to install screenlets on Debian? |
| 15:20.19 | \amethyst | odla: there are keys computer_icon_visible, home_icon_visible, etc |
| 15:20.27 | \amethyst | odla: Or do you want to turn them off entirely |
| 15:21.07 | odla | \amethyst: that was it ... thanks |
| 15:21.08 | \amethyst | gaw: That's expected... But when you ssh in to that machine you get the write permissions error? |
| 15:21.10 | SlayerXP | SamuraiDio: what's a screenlet? |
| 15:21.18 | odla | \amethyst: i just wanted to remove the icons |
| 15:21.49 | banja | any experience of openmosix 2.6 with etch ? help needed :( |
| 15:22.02 | SlayerXP | banja: if you have a question, ask it. |
| 15:22.45 | SamuraiDio | SlackDeb, desktop widgets, like gdesklets, with use of composite and support to beryl/compiz |
| 15:22.48 | banja | SlackDeb, tnx I know that rule and apologhize: |
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| 15:23.08 | gaw | \amethyst: I get the xauth error, when I make a ssh -X login from a remote host to the edgebox wether the remote box is a sarge or a debian box |
| 15:23.40 | odla | SamuraiDio: apt-get install gdesklets, superkaramba, adesklets ... whatever |
| 15:23.58 | banja | SlayerXP, This is the messages I get: could not find filesystem /dev/root ... and kernel panic |
| 15:24.06 | gaw | \amethyst: but it is no problem to access the debian box, the sshd are the same, of course |
| 15:24.21 | \amethyst | gaw: hmm... it's definitely a problem with xauth |
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| 15:24.50 | \amethyst | gaw: you don't use selinux or anything like that? |
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| 15:25.14 | chops | gaw: Have you installed xbase-clients on the machine you're ssh -Xing to? |
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| 15:25.17 | karmatronic | foutrelis: still here ? |
| 15:26.00 | karmatronic | gaw: is Xforwarding enabled on the server ? |
| 15:26.01 | foutrelis | karmatronic: yup |
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| 15:26.28 | karmatronic | foutrelis: the howto you found is ok , but actually things are easier to set up |
| 15:26.41 | foutrelis | :) |
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| 15:27.50 | gaw | karmatronic: of course |
| 15:28.24 | \amethyst | gaw: My suggestion is to log out of any X sessions on edgebox and move .Xauthority out of the way. Then try again |
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| 15:28.59 | gaw | chops: yes |
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| 15:30.47 | karmatronic | men , cant find it .. |
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| 15:31.59 | gaw | \amethyst: Than runs! X-Access ist possible the Xauthority is written new, explain it please. |
| 15:32.04 | chops | gaw: Does 'which xauth' on the remote box (the one you're ssh -Xing to) show that it's installed? |
| 15:32.45 | karmatronic | gaw: when you log in , what does echo $DISPLAY output |
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| 15:32.53 | chops | gaw: Ah, excellent, good news. |
| 15:33.13 | karmatronic | gaw: you can alos run ssh -vvv to have more debuf info |
| 15:33.30 | \amethyst | gaw: it possible the file got corrupted, and xauth just gave the wrong error message |
| 15:33.40 | \amethyst | gaw: it's |
| 15:34.05 | \amethyst | gaw: When it was owned by root, that explained the permission message, but you shouldn't have had that anymore after chowning it |
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| 15:34.42 | \amethyst | gaw: I guess it's possible the file got marked immutable or append-only somehow |
| 15:35.02 | treffer_ | Penix: It worked. I've just chrooted, THX |
| 15:35.32 | gaw | \amethyst: may be, but that must be happen automatically I didn't change the .Xauthority |
| 15:35.55 | Testerss | Anyone using a Dell poweredge 1950 and able to get 4 network interfaces (2 on-board + 2 PCIe) working? |
| 15:36.54 | wols_ | !tell Testerss about anyone |
| 15:36.57 | gaw | \amethyst: thx fro help |
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| 15:37.07 | gaw | \amethyst: thx for help |
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| 15:38.08 | karmatronic | foutrelis: basically , you have to compile sshd with chroot capability |
| 15:38.39 | karmatronic | foutrelis: then create a chroot environment (there are packages already done , i have one if you need it ) |
| 15:38.58 | karmatronic | foutrelis: and finally change /etc/passwd for the users you want to chroot |
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| 15:39.30 | micty | is there a way to limit cpu usage of a single user? |
| 15:39.52 | micty | or make it more fair, so one user will not use 90% cpu when other user needs 50%? |
| 15:39.53 | banja | please help: openmix kernel 2.6.15 beta1: could not find filesystem '/dev/root' and then kernel panic. |
| 15:40.36 | karmatronic | micty: cpulimit can limit cpu assigned to a process, might check it ou t |
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| 15:41.03 | wols_ | banja: custom kernel? |
| 15:41.24 | karmatronic | micty: although for what i see it doesnt work at user s level.... |
| 15:41.46 | banja | wols_, I tried a custom kernel, then tried also rpm after installing fedora core 5 for testing |
| 15:41.56 | wols_ | banja: we don't support fedora |
| 15:42.04 | foutrelis | Thanks karmatronic, I 'll look further into this tomorrow. :) |
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| 15:42.30 | banja | wols_, I know, but I have the same with etch kernel 2.6 |
| 15:42.35 | karmatronic | micty: http://gentoo-wiki.com/SECURITY_Limit_User_Processes |
| 15:42.53 | wols_ | banja: etch has no kernel 2.6.15, does it? |
| 15:42.56 | micty | reading |
| 15:43.04 | karmatronic | micty: im using it for realtime stuff, but that s the file to change |
| 15:43.14 | azeem | banja: are you using the stock Debian kernel? |
| 15:43.25 | banja | wols_, I am using kernel 2.6.18 in fact |
| 15:43.50 | wols_ | < banja> please help: openmix kernel 2.6.15 beta1 |
| 15:44.06 | banja | azeem, dowload the source from kernel.org |
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| 15:44.41 | banja | wols_, I have been on this problem for a while, so I tried all, even the one from svn |
| 15:44.42 | karmatronic | micty: thanks , it s a really intersting question actually |
| 15:44.45 | micty | karmatronic: cpu time is not the correct field to change |
| 15:44.46 | azeem | banja: then you've probably been doing something wrong |
| 15:44.57 | azeem | banja: why do you need to compile your own kernel? |
| 15:45.22 | micty | karmatronic: cpu time minutes, after a process runs say 5 minutes it would be shut down |
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| 15:45.48 | banja | azeem, cause one said it was better use a vanilla kernel |
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| 15:46.05 | we_die_young | SRBIJA DO TOKIJA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:46.07 | azeem | banja: that's not a good reason |
| 15:46.13 | wols_ | banja: then I guess ask "one" for support |
| 15:46.19 | abrotman | we_die_young: english please |
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| 15:46.26 | azeem | banja: I suggest you try with the stock Debian kernel first |
| 15:46.34 | we_die_young | nikako |
| 15:47.25 | Greyscale | How can I get nm-applet to stop nagging me for a password? |
| 15:47.37 | karmatronic | micty: There is a patch for Linux that implements RLIMIT_RT_CPU |
| 15:48.00 | karmatronic | micty: here you got it |
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| 15:48.22 | azeem | Greyscale: how often does it nag you? |
| 15:49.00 | Greyscale | every time I log in |
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| 15:49.24 | azeem | I don't know any, no |
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| 15:49.34 | azeem | ...way to supress that |
| 15:49.41 | \amethyst | Greyscale: libpam-keyring might be useful |
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| 15:49.50 | wide_awake | Hello |
| 15:49.54 | agato | i need some help, the system crashed again |
| 15:50.07 | agato | i need to recover my stuff |
| 15:50.10 | wide_awake | What determines which ethernet interface becomes eth0, eth1, etc. And can I change them? |
| 15:50.30 | agato | ext3-fs: info: recovery required on readonly filesystem |
| 15:50.34 | pickcoder | wide_awake: udev |
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| 15:50.47 | agato | it is at the initramfs prompt |
| 15:50.53 | agato | what do i do? |
| 15:51.04 | pickcoder | wide_awake: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 15:51.16 | wide_awake | pickcoder, thanks, I'll take a peek. |
| 15:51.31 | pickcoder | wide_awake: to stop hotplug from changing it, remove hotplug <if> from interfaces and just make it auto |
| 15:52.03 | agato | anyone? |
| 15:52.04 | Ranpha1 | Hi i got a problem with sshfs 1.7.1 on testing. When i connect and enter a direcorty pictures in my cpu goes to 50% even when the thumbsnails are done it won't go down. in other directory nothing happens and everthing works great |
| 15:52.04 | \amethyst | Greyscale: to use it, you'll have to install the package and read /usr/share/libpam-keyring/README.debian |
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| 15:52.19 | agato | what do i do at the initramfs prompt? |
| 15:53.01 | \amethyst | Greyscale: /usr/share/doc/libpam-keyring/README.debian that is |
| 15:53.27 | xand | Greyscale: does "nm" stand for "nag me"? :D |
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| 15:55.11 | Greyscale | xand, :P |
| 15:55.11 | Greyscale | I'll look into it \amethyst |
| 15:55.22 | \amethyst | Greyscale: one important limitation with libpam-keyring is that your keyring password has to be the same as your login password |
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| 15:56.29 | banja | azeem, have you installed openmosix under etch ? I really need a cluster :( |
| 15:56.35 | chops | Ranpha1: Are you sure that nautilus (or whatever it is that's displaying the thumbnails) isn't continuing the scan the thumbnails for changes or something? |
| 15:56.35 | zicho | how do i check how big a file is from the terminal? |
| 15:56.41 | chops | *continuing to scan |
| 15:56.45 | azeem | banja: no |
| 15:56.47 | chops | zicho: ls -l |
| 15:56.59 | azeem | banja: if you need a cluster, I suggest to employ somebody who knows about this |
| 15:57.28 | zicho | Can you make it display in megabytes? |
| 15:57.33 | chops | zicho: ls -lh |
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| 15:57.57 | zicho | chops: awesome. thx man. |
| 15:58.00 | chops | zicho: np |
| 15:58.14 | Ranpha1 | chops well i don't know if it are thumbnails. the direcory has 900 files. but if i go into a directory with 10000 files sftp-server stays low and the network (sshd is 20%) if ik go back to the 900 files sftp-server goes 50% maybe because in the same directory there are like 900 other direcoryts.. |
| 15:58.55 | chops | Ranpha1: What do you mean by "go into"? What application are you using to browse directories? |
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| 16:00.22 | Ranpha1 | chops: using standard nautilus. I have one direcorty with 900 sub directorys . in ever singel directory my CPU is good. but one in the main diretory it 50%. stupid thing is that if i go one level up on the main direcorty the cpu goes low again |
| 16:00.36 | agato | any people know how to recover my filesystem at the initramfs prompt? |
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| 16:01.28 | chops | Ranpha1: I think that the most likely explanation is that nautilus is continuing to scan the files in the offending directory for whatever reason, even after it's finished displaying them. Maybe it's monitoring them for changes, maybe it's reading little bits of them to show more accurate thumbnails, maybe it's just touching them for its own bizarre purposes. |
| 16:02.33 | Ranpha1 | chops yeah but that doesn't explain when i enter into the top directory (/public/main/subs) ...and there almost no network busy just cpu |
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| 16:03.26 | Ranpha1 | chops btw samba works without a hitch but a little buggier |
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| 16:03.38 | mrsno__ | !clone |
| 16:03.38 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 16:04.05 | chops | Ranpha1: You could run strace on nautilus, sshfs, and sftp-server and maybe get a little more information on what's going on. |
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| 16:04.14 | unixadm | buenas, alguien me echa un cable con squirrelmail? |
| 16:04.20 | unixadm | por mas que intento ponerlo en espa?ol no se deja |
| 16:04.23 | chops | !es |
| 16:04.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:04.28 | unixadm | sorry |
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| 16:06.07 | agato | jeeez, is debian this fragile? |
| 16:06.38 | agato | at least give me the tools to fix this thing |
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| 16:06.42 | subx | ive just saved gigs n gigs of space by using: apt-get clean :D |
| 16:06.47 | Ranpha1 | chops could it be it tries to get a file count reading? |
| 16:07.09 | stew | agato: did you just install a new kernel? just rebuld the initrd? change any hardware? |
| 16:07.57 | chops | Ranpha1: Could be |
| 16:07.59 | Ranpha1 | agato which filesystem |
| 16:08.11 | agato | no i woke up in the morning |
| 16:08.24 | Ranpha1 | chops are there any man of sftp-server? |
| 16:08.24 | agato | the system froze up |
| 16:08.33 | agato | didn't move |
| 16:08.41 | Ranpha1 | agato running stable/testing/unstable? |
| 16:08.42 | agato | so i turned off the power |
| 16:08.49 | agato | no stable |
| 16:08.58 | nile | should a file a bug on a package about a new version of the software being released? or should I assume the package maintainers know about it? |
| 16:09.01 | stew | agato: sounds like you probably have a hardware problem, i'd suggest trying memtest86+ |
| 16:09.05 | agato | and here i am at the initramfs prompt |
| 16:09.24 | chops | nile: If it's been a while since the new release (month or so maybe), a polite wishlist bug is appropriate |
| 16:09.31 | agato | appearantly it;s the filesystem |
| 16:09.36 | agato | not hardware |
| 16:09.46 | chops | agato: Why do you say that? |
| 16:09.48 | agato | how do i remount the thing? |
| 16:09.48 | stew | agato: how did you determine that? |
| 16:09.57 | agato | on the screen |
| 16:10.00 | Ranpha1 | agato hdd died sounds like me..running a hd tool to check |
| 16:10.21 | nile | chops, okay, thank you |
| 16:10.24 | agato | ext3-fs: info: recovery required on readonly filesystem |
| 16:10.26 | chops | nile: np |
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| 16:10.29 | stew | agato: how did you determine that when your machine froze previously it was not due to a hardware error? |
| 16:10.52 | agato | i have no hardware problems |
| 16:11.00 | stew | agato: how did you determine that? |
| 16:11.07 | chops | agato: Well, we have no software problems. So there! :-) |
| 16:11.11 | agato | i ran freebsd for the last several years |
| 16:11.17 | agato | jeee, |
| 16:11.26 | agato | same computer |
| 16:11.30 | stew | agato: how did you determine that you have no hardware problems? |
| 16:11.36 | Ranpha1 | chops should it be possible to instal a stable package onto testing to test if the same problem pops up ? |
| 16:11.42 | agato | unless someone wrote some crappy software |
| 16:12.01 | chops | Ranpha1: If it's not possible, apt-get will tell you so. It doesn't hurt to try. |
| 16:12.09 | agato | i just told you |
| 16:12.14 | stew | no, you didn't |
| 16:12.16 | agato | it's the filesystem |
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| 16:12.45 | agato | i need to remount the thing |
| 16:12.56 | agato | or recover it and remount |
| 16:13.06 | stew | agato: sure, but i'm conjecturing that if your filesystem got corrupted and your machine randomly froze, its likely due to a hardware error |
| 16:13.10 | agato | fsck doesn't exist at the initramfs prompt |
| 16:13.11 | pb_werkin | you seem to be assuming that hardware can't fail over time. |
| 16:13.47 | SamuraiDio | how can i install the candido-gtk2-engine? |
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| 16:13.54 | chops | agato: If you want us to help you, you should be willing to entertain the possibility of listening to us :-). In this case, it sounds like it's possible that it's a hardware problem. You should investigate that possibility instead of asserting that you know what the problem is. |
| 16:14.34 | stew | agato: boot a livecd, fsck from there, chroot into your debian install, and rebuild the initrd with "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version" where $version is the actually version of the kernel (which would match the directory name in /lib/modules) |
| 16:14.43 | agato | oh man , i just told you what debian showed on the screen |
| 16:14.45 | chops | agato: Of course, if you're just here to complain while you deal with the painful task of fixing a non-working computer system, knock yourself out... |
| 16:15.25 | agato | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.46 | stew | agato: boot a livecd or a install cd, and run fsk |
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| 16:15.49 | stew | fsck* |
| 16:15.58 | agato | i don't have one eh |
| 16:16.27 | stew | agato: is there another kernel you can boot on that machine? |
| 16:16.47 | chops | agato: That message is displayed every time you boot from an unclean shutdown; by itself it doesn't mean you need to do anything to the filesystem |
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| 16:17.17 | agato | um, i need to fix this thing |
| 16:17.26 | stew | agato: i'm telling you how to fix it |
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| 16:17.43 | agato | i just told you i don't have a live cd |
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| 16:17.49 | stew | agato: then get one |
| 16:18.11 | stew | agato: or an install cd. or any way of booting to a working system |
| 16:18.16 | agato | can't, man, no cd writer |
| 16:18.28 | Ranpha1 | chops btw which package contains sftp-server anyway? |
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| 16:18.40 | agato | um |
| 16:18.45 | stew | agato: how about a bootable usb thumbdrive? |
| 16:19.05 | agato | i have 6 floppies boot |
| 16:19.06 | stew | agato: or a floppy? |
| 16:19.08 | muszek | hi... baobab tells me that my /home has 11.9GB of data, however df tells me I'm using 25776656 1k blocks... any clue what's going on? I'm losing ~13GB out of 35 on this partition. Freshly booted computer. |
| 16:19.12 | agato | does it have fsck? |
| 16:19.51 | pb_werkin | what's df -h say? |
| 16:20.10 | pickcoder | agato: save yourself some sanity and find a PC with a CD burner and burn a live CD |
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| 16:20.28 | chops | Ranpha1: The sshd server package I believe |
| 16:21.02 | muszek | pb_werkin: 34G 25G 7,4G 77% /home |
| 16:21.05 | agato | suggestion eh, can you people put fsck into udev next time? |
| 16:21.15 | stew | agato: udev? |
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| 16:21.25 | agato | yes |
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| 16:21.32 | chops | agato: The answer to that question is no |
| 16:21.34 | stew | agato: what does udev have to do with it? |
| 16:21.36 | pickcoder | agato: next time, make a rescue disk |
| 16:21.41 | stew | agato: you mean initrd? |
| 16:21.49 | pb_werkin | and what does du -h /home show? |
| 16:21.58 | chops | agato: I'm going to make one more effort to help you -- what exactly happens when you attempt to boot your system? |
| 16:22.25 | agato | ext3-fs: info: recovery required on readonly filesystem |
| 16:22.34 | agato | and more |
| 16:22.41 | agato | i can't type all that |
| 16:22.57 | chops | agato: Yes, but as I said, that message is displayed every time you boot after an unclean shutdown. By itself, it does not indicate that a fsck is required. |
| 16:23.13 | agato | well then? |
| 16:23.19 | chops | agato: What appears to be the point at which your system does something incorrect instead of booting, and what does it do instead? |
| 16:23.56 | agato | initramfs prompt |
| 16:24.03 | muszek | pb_werking: I ran sudo du --max-depth=1 -h and found one user that has 16GB... it must be hidden for other users |
| 16:24.17 | muszek | pb_werkin: thanks |
| 16:24.19 | chops | agato: Okay, I'm going to stop trying to help you now. Best of luck. |
| 16:24.25 | pickcoder | chops: it's at busybox |
| 16:24.34 | pickcoder | which means something is fubar |
| 16:24.53 | agato | ok here |
| 16:25.11 | pickcoder | but the reason for it dropping to busybox is unknown at this point |
| 16:25.13 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 16:25.14 | agato | kinit: No resume image, doing normal boot.... done |
| 16:25.32 | agato | Ext3: INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem. |
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| 16:25.47 | agato | ext3:write access will be enabled during recovery |
| 16:25.52 | chops | pickcoder: Yes, but without knowing what it is that's fubar, there's not a lot to help with. So far I know (a) his system won't boot, and (b) he's mad about it. That doesn't leave me anything to work with, so I'm going to go back to work and stop extending myself to help. |
| 16:26.07 | agato | JBD: no valid journal superblock found |
| 16:26.22 | pickcoder | hm |
| 16:26.26 | agato | ext3-fs: error loading journal |
| 16:26.27 | stew | agato: you need to run fsck on your root partition |
| 16:26.59 | agato | mount: mounting/dev/hda1 on /root failed: invalid argument |
| 16:27.19 | agato | begin: running /scripts/local-bottom |
| 16:27.26 | agato | done |
| 16:27.36 | Ranpha1 | chops that is the ssh package i think? |
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| 16:28.01 | agato | .mount: mounting /root/dev/ on /dev/ .static/dev failed:: |
| 16:28.25 | agato | etc............ |
| 16:29.04 | agato | i don't have a root partition right now |
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| 16:29.20 | agato | the only filesystem i have is the udev |
| 16:29.38 | stew | agato: udev is a userspace tool for managing /dev entries, it is not a filesystem |
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| 16:29.46 | agato | oh ok |
| 16:30.02 | agato | so my whole harddrive got blown up eh |
| 16:30.08 | stew | agato: i doubt it |
| 16:32.40 | pickcoder | agato: like I said before, save yourself some sanity and find a PC with a CD burner |
| 16:32.44 | agato | i still my floppy boot set |
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| 16:33.31 | agato | i don't have a cd burner gee |
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| 16:39.23 | Ranpha1 | question sftp-server is a ftp server right. so asking for a directory will issue a list command right? and can this take a long time if you have over 900 directorys? |
| 16:39.27 | \amethyst | woot, got libpam-ssh working |
| 16:39.37 | Ranpha1 | agato told you your hdd died |
| 16:39.53 | stew | Ranpha1: how do you know that? |
| 16:40.12 | agato | nah, it is still alive |
| 16:40.30 | agato | just my filesystem is corrupted |
| 16:40.50 | Ranpha1 | stew : because i had the same problem only with me it was a bad connector. drive did strange no boot etc. changing the kabel changed a lot (btw found this after i bought a new hdd ) |
| 16:41.02 | pumpkin0 | Problem with mounting and permissions here. The fstab-line reads: /dev/sda1 /mnt auto ro,users,noauto 0 0. The user can mount and umount it, but cannot access it. The user owns /mnt, perms are 777. what now ? |
| 16:41.12 | stew | Ranpha1: how do you know its not just that his initrd needs to be rebuilt? |
| 16:41.20 | Ranpha1 | but stew my question is that right? |
| 16:41.31 | Ranpha1 | stew that i dunno |
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| 16:41.38 | stew | Ranpha1: no sftp has nothing to do with ftp |
| 16:41.57 | \amethyst | Ranpha1: it's not quite FTP... listnig a directory is SSH_FXP_OPENDIR and SSH_FXP_READDIR |
| 16:42.34 | Ranpha1 | stew okay so sftp is not ftp..dame why has it high cpu reading then when reading directorys....is find sshfs stabler than samba |
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| 16:44.09 | themill | Has anyone ever come across a laptop power supply causing a network connection to drop out? |
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| 16:45.23 | valdyn | pumpkin0: its irrelevant who owns the mountpoint |
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| 16:46.22 | \amethyst | pumpkin0: what kind of filesystem is it? |
| 16:46.36 | yoshio | pumpkin0: can root access it? |
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| 16:46.51 | pumpkin0 | \amethyst: NTFS... yes, root has no problems at all with that system. |
| 16:47.23 | valdyn | !ntfsrw |
| 16:47.23 | dpkg | somebody said ntfsrw was for beta-quality write support on i386, amd64 and possibly others, see <ntfs-3g>. For stable read-only support, ask me about <read-ntfs> |
| 16:47.26 | pumpkin0 | Ah, umask=0222... |
| 16:47.30 | valdyn | !ntfsro |
| 16:47.31 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
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| 16:47.40 | \amethyst | pumpkin0: Or uid=someparticularuser |
| 16:47.56 | \amethyst | pumpkin0: depending on whether you want everybody, or just somebody, to be able to access it |
| 16:48.18 | pumpkin0 | \amethyst: i need more then 1 user, but i don't need rw, only ro. |
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| 16:48.20 | jetscreamer | note that the fmask and dmask directives are really really cool, and the guy who initially created that factoid is a god |
| 16:48.25 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 16:48.42 | rahul | assbadger crashes sawfish about twice a day |
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| 16:49.07 | unixadm | someone runs squirrelmail in another language that not are english?, fails allways.. with spanis |
| 16:49.09 | unixadm | someone runs squirrelmail in another language that not are english?, fails allways.. with spanish |
| 16:49.30 | jetscreamer | i take it you asked in #debian-es |
| 16:49.38 | \amethyst | unixadm: you do have the squirrelmail-locales package, right? |
| 16:49.48 | unixadm | yes, |
| 16:49.54 | unixadm | and debian set my locales |
| 16:49.56 | agato | is fsck the only tool to fix a filesystem? |
| 16:49.58 | unixadm | and put it on conf |
| 16:50.08 | unixadm | restart apache... and nothing allways at english |
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| 16:50.22 | stew | agato: yes |
| 16:50.32 | valdyn | agato: no |
| 16:50.39 | jetscreamer | agato: maybe |
| 16:50.42 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 16:53.21 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 16:53.38 | jetscreamer | aren't you two going to fight and argue on the subject? err, debate... |
| 16:53.48 | agato | oh yeah i forgot, it is saying target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init |
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| 16:54.05 | agato | /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off |
| 16:54.28 | stew | agato: do you have the root partition actually mounted? |
| 16:54.55 | agato | i told you i don't have a root partition |
| 16:55.01 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 16:55.07 | jetscreamer | that's a neat trick |
| 16:55.17 | agato | udev is the only drive |
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| 16:55.31 | agato | even if i have a live cd |
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| 16:55.40 | agato | still i won't have a root parition |
| 16:55.51 | agato | cruz it is f**k up |
| 16:56.09 | jelly | unixadm: so, you have eg. es_ES locale enabled, but it still doesn't work in squirrelmail? |
| 16:56.14 | valdyn | !wayttd agato |
| 16:56.15 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, agato? |
| 16:56.21 | jetscreamer | sounds like 'maybe' hardware not filesystem... but your error report is weird |
| 16:57.05 | unixadm | jelly, i enabled this es_ES, es_ES.ISO.. UTF spanish |
| 16:57.10 | unixadm | and set on squirrelconfig |
| 16:57.12 | unixadm | and nothing |
| 16:57.20 | unixadm | restart apache and nothing |
| 16:57.27 | jelly | unixadm: well, this works for me for hr_HR. |
| 16:57.44 | unixadm | jelly, can private query? |
| 16:58.13 | jelly | unixadm: I'd prefer in channel. |
| 16:58.19 | unixadm | ok |
| 16:58.23 | unixadm | i read'u |
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| 17:01.31 | agato | i think there is a flaw |
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| 17:02.00 | unixadm | jelly? |
| 17:02.15 | jelly | unixadm: can you pastebin your /etc/locale.gen and /etc/squirrelmail/config.php, just to be sure? |
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| 17:02.26 | unixadm | ok wait |
| 17:02.35 | jelly | unixadm: which debian release? |
| 17:02.47 | unixadm | etch |
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| 17:03.27 | unixadm | http://pastebin.ca/616413 ---< locale.gen |
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| 17:05.28 | \amethyst | unixadm: did you set up squirrelmail_default_language in the config.php |
| 17:05.31 | \amethyst | ? |
| 17:05.58 | unixadm | http://pastebin.ca/616418 |
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| 17:06.00 | unixadm | yes |
| 17:06.36 | \amethyst | unixadm: the default language should be "es_ES", not "spanish" |
| 17:06.50 | unixadm | yes, i set and not works |
| 17:06.51 | unixadm | i probe it |
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| 17:07.13 | wols_ | !tell unixadm about locale |
| 17:08.15 | unixadm | \amethyst |
| 17:08.19 | unixadm | i set to es_ES |
| 17:08.20 | unixadm | and not works |
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| 17:11.20 | qrck_ | how do i get rid of this annying behaviour, everytime i get disconnected or i get a day_change signal, i can't relogin with my true nick |
| 17:11.24 | bizinichi | interest |
| 17:11.51 | jelly | qrck: /msg nickserv ghost your_nick your_password |
| 17:11.51 | unixadm | \amethyst |
| 17:11.56 | unixadm | do you know? |
| 17:12.12 | \amethyst | unixadm: sorry, don't know what the problem is |
| 17:12.25 | unixadm | ok... |
| 17:12.43 | jelly | unixadm: hmm, I can't access http://pastebin.ca/616418 |
| 17:12.56 | jelly | unixadm: Sorry, an error has occurred. Reason: That is an invalid ID, or the post has expired. |
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| 17:13.05 | unixadm | ok |
| 17:13.05 | unixadm | wayt |
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| 17:13.25 | jetscreamer | me too |
| 17:13.29 | jelly | unixadm: but from you told, it looks like you set it up right, so it ought to work |
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| 17:13.55 | unixadm | http://pastebin.ca/616439 |
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| 17:15.30 | qrck | thank you! |
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| 17:16.03 | jetscreamer | not that i've ever even seen squirrelmail before, but would apache locale settings have anything to do with it? |
| 17:16.16 | jelly | unixadm: do you have something in config_local.php maybe? |
| 17:16.23 | jetscreamer | or php |
| 17:16.50 | jelly | jetscreamer: apache has locale settings? |
| 17:16.53 | unixadm | config_local.php |
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| 17:16.57 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 17:17.00 | unixadm | not contains nothing |
| 17:17.20 | jetscreamer | i buy my apache :) |
| 17:17.28 | jelly | unixadm: no ideas then, try #squirrelmail maybe |
| 17:17.38 | jetscreamer | well it comes with the package rather |
| 17:17.56 | unixadm | i try .. but nobody know |
| 17:18.26 | jelly | unixadm: you do have squirrelmail-locales package installed, right? |
| 17:18.32 | unixadm | yes |
| 17:18.36 | unixadm | all-locales |
| 17:18.44 | unixadm | to ~/locale/ |
| 17:18.48 | unixadm | and yes, i've es_ES |
| 17:18.48 | jelly | what? |
| 17:18.50 | unixadm | and setup config |
| 17:19.04 | jetscreamer | ~/ ? |
| 17:19.05 | apt | ~/ is your home dir silly!, or root, of all Unix |
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| 17:19.15 | unixadm | .. |
| 17:19.21 | unixadm | squirrelmail home |
| 17:19.33 | unixadm | ok? |
| 17:19.40 | unixadm | path/maikel/squirrelmail/ |
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| 17:19.58 | jelly | unixadm: are you using your own squirrelmail instead of the packaged one? :-) |
| 17:20.42 | jelly | unixadm: Debian's is in /usr/share/squirrelmail |
| 17:20.48 | jelly | AFAIR |
| 17:20.53 | unixadm | i compile... |
| 17:21.01 | jelly | duh |
| 17:21.01 | unixadm | works fine |
| 17:21.05 | unixadm | but not show spanish language |
| 17:21.21 | jelly | gross |
| 17:21.23 | wols_ | unixadm: you compile squirrelmail? |
| 17:21.33 | unixadm | yes |
| 17:21.36 | unixadm | not |
| 17:21.41 | unixadm | i download |
| 17:21.42 | wols_ | yes or no? |
| 17:21.43 | unixadm | and untar |
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| 17:21.45 | jelly | unixadm: all my advice was under the assumption you use the packaged one |
| 17:21.45 | wols_ | ah |
| 17:21.49 | unixadm | and configure |
| 17:21.52 | unixadm | and works |
| 17:21.57 | unixadm | this config works on 10 machines |
| 17:22.00 | \amethyst | unixadm: Then it's probably looking for the locales in some place other than where the debian package put them |
| 17:22.05 | unixadm | but on this, only show an english language |
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| 17:22.23 | \amethyst | unixadm: did you download and install the squirrelmail spanish language pack? |
| 17:22.29 | wols_ | unixadm: if you run apt-get in this, does it display stuff in spanish or english? |
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| 17:22.29 | unixadm | yes |
| 17:22.31 | unixadm | all locales |
| 17:22.49 | unixadm | i've locale/es_ES |
| 17:22.57 | wols_ | that is not what I asked |
| 17:23.29 | unixadm | wols, if i run apt-get ? |
| 17:23.31 | wols_ | and you haev apache restarted since you changed locale? |
| 17:23.35 | unixadm | yes.. |
| 17:23.59 | unixadm | i restart about 20 times |
| 17:23.59 | wols_ | yes apt-get, the Debian package manager |
| 17:24.05 | unixadm | at english |
| 17:24.12 | jetscreamer | is apt-get in english or spanish he means |
| 17:24.12 | unixadm | but on all machines show's at english |
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| 17:24.17 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 17:24.27 | wols_ | unixadm: installed user-es ? |
| 17:24.33 | jelly | wols_: no need to restart apache, if it's a problem with system locales, php gets the locale right after you configure it |
| 17:24.36 | unixadm | not, why i need this.. |
| 17:25.20 | wols_ | unixadm: env. paste the output of that in a pastebin |
| 17:25.21 | unixadm | wols_ about 10 machines runs squirrelmail, 1 not show in spanish, and neve I install user-es |
| 17:25.27 | unixadm | on any machine |
| 17:25.33 | \amethyst | unixadm: So you downloaded and installed squirrelmail-version.tar.gz and all_locales-version.tar.gz from the squirrelmail site, is that the case? |
| 17:25.48 | unixadm | yes |
| 17:25.50 | \amethyst | unixadm: How does this machine differ from the other 9? |
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| 17:26.50 | unixadm | http://pastebin.ca/616460 |
| 17:27.04 | unixadm | \amethyst nothing |
| 17:27.12 | unixadm | php it's same, apache, squirrelmail |
| 17:27.21 | unixadm | i try with his configs and not works |
| 17:27.55 | wols_ | unixadm: LANGUAGE=en_US |
| 17:27.55 | wols_ | come again? |
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| 17:27.55 | ubunturos | If there's a package in Debian DVD-1 that fails the integrity test, will the installation fail? |
| 17:27.56 | unixadm | yes |
| 17:27.59 | wols_ | unixadm: change that |
| 17:28.00 | \amethyst | that shouldn't affect squirrelmail though |
| 17:28.04 | unixadm | how? |
| 17:28.11 | wols_ | amphi: it should if it's system wide |
| 17:28.19 | \amethyst | squirrelmail gets its language settings from its config.php |
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| 17:28.31 | unixadm | yes |
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| 17:28.33 | wols_ | ubunturos: only if it's a needed package for base installe |
| 17:28.44 | unixadm | i don't understand why i need to change on my env root |
| 17:28.47 | xand | grr |
| 17:28.48 | unixadm | if this it's for squirrelmail |
| 17:28.58 | ubunturos | wols_: the package name is "dosemu-freedos" ? Is it important? |
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| 17:29.09 | jelly | ubunturos: no |
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| 17:29.20 | wols_ | ubunturos: no |
| 17:29.29 | ubunturos | jelly, wols_: thanks |
| 17:29.53 | unixadm | :/ |
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| 17:30.52 | xand | grrrr |
| 17:31.13 | xand | how do I make grub work on a disk after copying data to it from another disk, so the new one is bootable? |
| 17:31.31 | unixadm | wols_ |
| 17:31.36 | unixadm | \amethyst? |
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| 17:31.40 | xand | if I put the new disk in a different machine to do this, how will it know what to make bootable on it? |
| 17:31.47 | jetscreamer | make the partition bootable edit menu.lst and do grub-install |
| 17:32.07 | xand | grub-install says "/dev/sdc does not have any corresponding BIOS drive" |
| 17:32.12 | jetscreamer | grub is magic, but fix the menu.lst |
| 17:32.16 | xand | and the old partition wasn't bootable |
| 17:32.31 | xand | why would menu.lst need fixing if i just copied it from the old drive? |
| 17:32.50 | jetscreamer | if the drives aren't on the same spindle that they were on in the other box |
| 17:33.02 | jetscreamer | are you using uuid in menu.lst? |
| 17:33.29 | xand | no |
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| 17:33.48 | jetscreamer | are you running grub-install from the old box or the new one |
| 17:34.13 | \amethyst | unixadm: I'd try the squirrelmail forums |
| 17:34.13 | xand | I don't see how I can on the old one |
| 17:34.18 | xand | erm |
| 17:34.21 | xand | they're the same box |
| 17:34.27 | jetscreamer | you 'can' |
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| 17:34.47 | xand | maybe if I can connect the new disk at the same time as the old one |
| 17:34.57 | PrinceAMD | hi all |
| 17:35.06 | \amethyst | unixadm: Since you're not using the debian squirrelmail package, it's not really a debian question, and folks with experience installing squirrelmail by hand will be able to ask you better questions |
| 17:35.12 | jetscreamer | are you just trying to clone an existing installation, put it on a newer bigger hd? |
| 17:35.18 | xand | yes |
| 17:35.20 | jetscreamer | or move it to another box |
| 17:35.20 | PrinceAMD | what is the command to check n see the number of lines in a txt file? |
| 17:35.23 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 17:35.33 | pb_werkin | wc -l filename |
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| 17:35.38 | unixadm | yes, i only know how i can solve it, at #squirrelmail nobody know... |
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| 17:35.41 | PrinceAMD | pb_werkin, thanks |
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| 17:35.57 | `mx | Does Global FS work with debian? |
| 17:35.59 | jetscreamer | all you have to do is cp -a it from a live cd, fix menu.lst and fstab, and you're good |
| 17:36.08 | jetscreamer | works just fine for me here |
| 17:36.09 | wols_ | xand: you either need to boot from the new hd or you need to do the chroot magic (just like when you boot from livecd and need to reenable grub after a windows install) |
| 17:36.12 | xand | jetscreamer: they're all fine but it won't boot |
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| 17:36.17 | wols_ | jetscreamer: no |
| 17:36.23 | xand | wols_: that's kind of catch 22... |
| 17:36.29 | wols_ | xand: no it's not |
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| 17:36.33 | xand | yes it is |
| 17:36.37 | wols_ | xand: no |
| 17:36.45 | wols_ | note the little word "or" in there |
| 17:36.46 | xand | how can I boot from the new drive when that's what I'm trying to make work? |
| 17:36.51 | wols_ | and what comes after it |
| 17:37.00 | xand | the first part is catch 22. |
| 17:37.01 | wols_ | xand: learn to read ALL of what I typed |
| 17:37.06 | xand | I DID READ IT ALL. |
| 17:37.18 | wols_ | then learn more text comprehension |
| 17:37.24 | xand | you imply the first option is possible, but it's clearly not. |
| 17:37.35 | jetscreamer | it is |
| 17:37.43 | wols_ | there is more than one option I outlined there |
| 17:37.43 | jetscreamer | grub is magic |
| 17:37.52 | jetscreamer | use grubshell |
| 17:37.58 | jetscreamer | boot the hd |
| 17:38.01 | jetscreamer | hit c |
| 17:38.09 | wols_ | and usually even the first is possible if you have a CDROM drive |
| 17:38.10 | jetscreamer | to access grubshell |
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| 17:39.08 | xand | this machine doesn't have an IDE interface and I don't have a usb cd drive |
| 17:39.20 | jetscreamer | floppy? |
| 17:39.24 | xand | nope |
| 17:39.29 | wols_ | xand: so then use the 2nd way I outlined |
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| 17:39.33 | jetscreamer | chroot |
| 17:39.42 | jetscreamer | but that can be a pita |
| 17:40.01 | xand | can you elaborate please? I have mounted it and presumably I chroot to it... what else? |
| 17:40.04 | jetscreamer | to get grub to install.. what do you have to do? chroot, mount /proc, something something |
| 17:40.05 | wols_ | it'S the sandard way after a windows dualboot install to restore grub. works the same here |
| 17:40.15 | wols_ | proc and dev yes |
| 17:40.38 | wols_ | mount --bind your proc and dev |
| 17:40.50 | jetscreamer | ah --bind |
| 17:41.19 | jetscreamer | no wonder it didn't work so well for me |
| 17:41.36 | jetscreamer | !worship grub floppies |
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| 17:42.13 | xand | well I never fixed grub after a windows install |
| 17:42.20 | jetscreamer | think i missed the /dev part also |
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| 17:43.21 | jetscreamer | i have many times, you'ld think i'd remember how exactly |
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| 17:43.39 | jetscreamer | you'd ? |
| 17:43.47 | jetscreamer | both look wurng |
| 17:43.50 | agato | hmm.... |
| 17:43.57 | xand | you'd |
| 17:44.03 | keith4 | how do I find link speed for eth0 ? |
| 17:44.07 | agato | i think it is grub doing this |
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| 17:44.25 | xand | keith4: install ethtool |
| 17:45.01 | xand | how do I mount /dev? "mount --bind /dev"? |
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| 17:45.31 | keith4 | xand: thanks |
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| 17:45.51 | keith4 | isn't it easier to just 'grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/foo /dev/bar' instead of using chroot? |
| 17:46.00 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 17:46.35 | xand | keith4: well that doesn't work for me |
| 17:46.41 | xand | lantea:~# grub-install --root-directory=/tmp/fuck /dev/sdb |
| 17:46.41 | xand | /dev/sdb does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
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| 17:46.54 | xand | yes, I was cross with the mounting :) |
| 17:46.59 | jetscreamer | use the hd0 syntax? |
| 17:47.12 | xand | I don't know what number it should be :( |
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| 17:47.23 | jetscreamer | and that sounds like the new libata/ubuntu style to me |
| 17:47.30 | keith4 | xand: what is sdb? |
| 17:47.38 | jetscreamer | but you said no ide |
| 17:47.40 | xand | it's a CF card in a usb adaptor |
| 17:47.40 | jetscreamer | so nm |
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| 17:47.56 | keith4 | what version of grub? |
| 17:48.00 | xand | but when i actually boot it'll be ide electronically but physically CF |
| 17:48.08 | xand | erm, the etch one :) |
| 17:48.16 | xand | 0.97 |
| 17:48.19 | keith4 | i just did what you're trying to do, using a usb flash drive |
| 17:48.25 | keith4 | and it works fine |
| 17:48.27 | keith4 | weird |
| 17:48.28 | xand | ;| |
| 17:48.45 | xand | I've tried it on three machines and same result |
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| 17:49.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
| 17:49.26 | jetscreamer | !worship grub floppies |
| 17:49.47 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 17:49.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | I I just installed Debian on a laptop |
| 17:49.53 | jetscreamer | you have both hd's in the box? |
| 17:50.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | I can log in as root, but I forgot the user password |
| 17:50.11 | jetscreamer | boot the old hd, hit c at the menu |
| 17:50.12 | abrotman | so change it |
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| 17:50.21 | xand | Dark_Apostrophe: "passwd user" |
| 17:50.22 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: passwd <user> |
| 17:50.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | ah |
| 17:50.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | thanks :) |
| 17:50.37 | abrotman | xand: about D_A or your problem ? :) |
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| 17:50.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | Me, I bet |
| 17:50.57 | xand | the latter |
| 17:51.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ah, good |
| 17:51.10 | jetscreamer | both hd's? |
| 17:51.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | What is your problem? |
| 17:51.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's unlikely, but maybe I can help |
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| 17:51.59 | xand | jetscreamer: what? |
| 17:52.10 | xand | Dark_Apostrophe: trying to make grub install/boot a replacement disk |
| 17:52.30 | jetscreamer | if you have both hd's in the box, boot from the old one and hit c to enter grubshell, then use grubshell to boot the new hd |
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| 17:52.39 | wols_ | jetscreamer: unless you handhold he won't get it |
| 17:52.57 | zinx | grub is HARD |
| 17:53.02 | xand | jetscreamer: when do i press c? on the boot menu? |
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| 17:53.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | xand: Sorry, I can't help you there :( |
| 17:53.09 | jetscreamer | yeah when you see the menu |
| 17:53.22 | jetscreamer | the grub menu |
| 17:53.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | But thanks for the help, guys |
| 17:53.27 | xand | then when its booted run grub-install? |
| 17:53.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Adios :) |
| 17:53.38 | xand | oh, how do I boot it from the shell c.c |
| 17:53.43 | jetscreamer | first you have to successfully boot the ... ah |
| 17:54.37 | xand | can grub boot from a usb drive? |
| 17:54.41 | xand | using that method |
| 17:54.53 | jetscreamer | root (hd0,0) ; kernel /boot/vmlinuz-<TABKEY> root=/dev/sdwhatever ro ; initrd /boot/init<TABKEY> ; boot |
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| 17:54.55 | wols_ | it can it the BIOS supports it |
| 17:54.56 | jetscreamer | sure |
| 17:55.02 | wols_ | *if |
| 17:55.21 | jetscreamer | change hd0,0 to whatever |
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| 17:55.31 | jetscreamer | tab complete is your friend in grubshell |
| 17:55.35 | jetscreamer | see also help |
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| 18:00.06 | bipolar | Does anyone know of a command line app, preferably written in C, that will generate a crc-32 checksum of stdin? |
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| 18:01.11 | EKay | anyone here tried downloading debian dvd disc 3 with jigdo? |
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| 18:01.12 | Supaplex | no md5sum? |
| 18:01.15 | EKay | i dont understand how this works. |
| 18:01.17 | PDani | hi |
| 18:01.34 | Supaplex | EKay: have you considered netinst? |
| 18:01.36 | EKay | i followed the instructions that jigdo gave me. and it started downloading a LOT |
| 18:01.38 | PDani | is it possible to bridge together two devices one of them is an ip-aliased device? |
| 18:01.40 | ricky | Well, I know there's libdigest-crc-perl, but that might be pure Perl. |
| 18:01.40 | EKay | im on windows pro right now. |
| 18:01.41 | ricky | Hi! |
| 18:01.58 | EKay | i have a seperate box for debian |
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| 18:02.36 | EKay | but im setting up the box for my friend |
| 18:02.47 | EKay | i know haha. |
| 18:02.52 | Supaplex | EKay: if you have network access durring install, use netinst. it'll save a lot of time. you won't download anything you don't use, and you can install more later after the base install is done. |
| 18:02.54 | EKay | jigdo is complicated |
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| 18:03.04 | EKay | oh really? |
| 18:03.10 | Supaplex | yes. really. |
| 18:03.14 | EKay | cus i already have disc 1 & 2. |
| 18:03.14 | jetscreamer | if you have windows on the box look at goodbye-windows.com ... works well, and non-destructive if you tell it to be |
| 18:03.20 | bipolar | ricky: yea, I'd like to keep my dependancys down if at all possible. |
| 18:03.21 | Supaplex | then just use disc 1 |
| 18:03.22 | ricky | And you save a few discs. |
| 18:03.23 | jetscreamer | all you need is cd#1 |
| 18:03.24 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 18:03.28 | EKay | oh shoot. |
| 18:03.29 | EKay | thanks guys. |
| 18:03.32 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 18:03.33 | EKay | i appreciate it. |
| 18:03.36 | Supaplex | np |
| 18:03.46 | jetscreamer | 2-whatever are optional |
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| 18:04.09 | Supaplex | EKay: oh yea, don't underestimate goodbye-windows.com =) |
| 18:04.21 | EKay | let me take a look at it right now |
| 18:04.23 | Supaplex | 318kb download hehe |
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| 18:04.42 | ricky | Isn't goodbye-windows.com not updated as frequently? |
| 18:04.46 | EKay | whoa. |
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| 18:04.59 | EKay | that's an awesome site hahaha |
| 18:05.04 | Supaplex | ricky: it doesn't really need to be. it fetched the daily netinst images durring install |
| 18:05.12 | jetscreamer | i did have a problem with my weird boot setup but installing it on c & d in windows 'fixed' it.. just d didn't work , but like i siad my boot setup is weird |
| 18:05.22 | ricky | Supaplex: Oh, didn't know that- cool. |
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| 18:05.34 | Supaplex | fetched/fetches/ |
| 18:06.02 | EKay | haha |
| 18:06.09 | EKay | funny thing is i left jigdo over night downloading god knows what. |
| 18:06.17 | EKay | i just say it downloading all these libraries. |
| 18:06.51 | Supaplex | EKay: there's 10's of thousands of packages. lots to download. :P |
| 18:07.14 | Supaplex | I know I'll never use all of them. even once. |
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| 18:07.40 | EKay | hahaha, you got that right. |
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| 18:08.04 | EKay | i know what aer the odds of that |
| 18:08.04 | EKay | haha |
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| 18:08.27 | EKay | my friends trying to burn disc 1 for me. |
| 18:08.39 | EKay | but he said his dvds are like 4 gb. |
| 18:08.40 | deb_user | once i install a new kernel image, how do I get lilo to boot the image via lilo.conf? |
| 18:08.44 | xand | jetscreamer: bah, didn't work... when i tried root hd(1,0) it complained that the filesystem type was unknown... i'm gonna give up and just reinstall to the new card |
| 18:08.56 | jetscreamer | you can burn a cd image onto a blank dvd |
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| 18:09.05 | jetscreamer | xand: use tab complete |
| 18:09.11 | EKay | oh we're using the dvd image. |
| 18:09.13 | jetscreamer | hd(<TAB> |
| 18:09.35 | xand | jetscreamer: it got the partition type right though, so i dont think it was teh wrong device |
| 18:10.14 | jetscreamer | you just copy a new stanza and change the version # basically deb_user |
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| 18:10.45 | jetscreamer | be sure to run lilo after editing lilo.conf |
| 18:10.56 | EKay | a guy can learn a lot around here ;] |
| 18:11.13 | EKay | iunno what the hell jigdo was downloading. |
| 18:11.21 | EKay | i gave it the link, and gave it a mirror. |
| 18:11.23 | xand | jetscreamer: something else will break, then i'll have to abandon it to reconnect :( |
| 18:11.31 | EKay | and it starts downloading these libraries |
| 18:11.33 | EKay | all night. |
| 18:11.50 | EKay | an dall i see is |
| 18:11.54 | EKay | debian-40r0-i386-DVD-3.iso.tmp etc |
| 18:11.56 | jetscreamer | xand: when i first had to use grub like this i printed out the grub manual... |
| 18:12.09 | jetscreamer | i couldn't boot my box at all |
| 18:12.14 | xand | jetscreamer: not the man page i guess, as it's crap ;) |
| 18:12.17 | jetscreamer | cept livecd |
| 18:12.21 | jetscreamer | no info |
| 18:12.29 | xand | info gives the same content as man |
| 18:12.30 | jetscreamer | apt-get install grub-doc and info grub |
| 18:12.37 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
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| 18:13.32 | jetscreamer | #grub exists also |
| 18:13.38 | xand | they're not answering |
| 18:13.47 | jetscreamer | but yeah afteryou install grub-doc info rocks |
| 18:13.52 | xand | hm |
| 18:13.57 | jetscreamer | yeh #grub can be slow |
| 18:14.02 | jetscreamer | i think the devs are in eu |
| 18:14.08 | jetscreamer | but in the channel |
| 18:14.11 | jetscreamer | dev, devs |
| 18:14.59 | jetscreamer | iirc early am us was best time for them |
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| 18:15.36 | Quibus | hi all |
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| 18:16.09 | Quibus | Is there a way to make module-assistant not re-extract the source tar.gz? I modified the already extracted sources and want m-a to use those |
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| 18:16.34 | wols_ | Quibus: repack them to a tar.gz |
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| 18:17.29 | Quibus | wols_: as you might understand, that is not what I'd hoped you'd say |
| 18:17.52 | Quibus | ah, I found the -O optoin |
| 18:18.29 | Gm4n | when I try and raid my two non-boot disks, I get a "cannot open.... device or resource busy". Does debian auto-mount drives, and if so, where? |
| 18:18.44 | Quibus | that's it. Thanks anyway |
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| 18:19.20 | Quibus | Gm4n: check /mnt or /media |
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| 18:19.35 | Gm4n | it's not in either of those |
| 18:19.59 | keith4 | run 'mount' |
| 18:20.27 | Gm4n | ooh, tricky. thanks. =) |
| 18:20.46 | Gm4n | however, the devices don't show up in that listing |
| 18:20.50 | Gm4n | I don't think they're mounted |
| 18:21.09 | Quibus | OK |
| 18:21.12 | Quibus | well, gotta go, see you |
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| 18:21.50 | keith4 | Gm4n: using mdadm to soft raid? |
| 18:21.55 | xingu | heh, this coretemp hwmon module is registering two different temperatures for each of a core2duo's cores. |
| 18:21.58 | Gm4n | that's the goal, yes |
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| 18:23.49 | Gm4n | keith4: any ideas why mdadm isn't letting me open the devices? |
| 18:24.14 | keith4 | nope |
| 18:24.20 | keith4 | do you know how to use mdadm? |
| 18:24.26 | misreckoning | sometimes anacron launches updatedb which slows my computer for 10 minutes... how can I modify that task to execute, for example, only after 12:00AM ? |
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| 18:24.40 | misreckoning | and before 1 AM ;) |
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| 18:25.28 | h3sp4wn | misreckoning: Just use normal cron in that case |
| 18:25.44 | rstanca | anyone can check if they can install flashplayer-nonfree? md5sum mismatch... |
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| 18:25.56 | abrotman | rstanca: get the package again |
| 18:26.00 | misreckoning | h3sp4wn: I don't know how, this is the first time I'm messing with "cron" :P |
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| 18:26.15 | rstanca | abrotman: i did |
| 18:26.45 | Gm4n | keith4: well, I read the man page, it doesn't seem *too* complicated. Never used it before, though |
| 18:26.46 | EKay | hold on guys :] |
| 18:26.49 | EKay | let me go restart my computer. |
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| 18:26.57 | jetscreamer | did they fix locales in sid yet.. rather glic supplier? |
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| 18:27.08 | jetscreamer | b |
| 18:27.28 | EKay | t |
| 18:27.32 | abrotman | rstanca: try another mirror |
| 18:27.36 | h3sp4wn | misreckoning: anacron just guarantees that anything that cron misses is run on the next reboot |
| 18:27.42 | misreckoning | I've located the reason, it is :/etc/cron.daily/find |
| 18:27.47 | jetscreamer | anacronistic |
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| 18:28.15 | misreckoning | aha, so it just a kind of "backup" for cron? |
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| 18:28.28 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: looks so... I'm seeing 2.6-2 versions of all the relevant packages now |
| 18:28.28 | h3sp4wn | misreckoning: If its going to be on all the time you don't need anacron (and if you don't use locate you don't even need to run the job at all) |
| 18:28.50 | jetscreamer | cool thalnks |
| 18:28.51 | Nyle | hola |
| 18:28.53 | h3sp4wn | misreckoning: Its for if the box is not on when the job should be run |
| 18:28.57 | Nyle | que freakin pasa ? |
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| 18:29.12 | jetscreamer | ya me voy |
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| 18:29.24 | Nyle | parle usted engles? |
| 18:29.33 | jetscreamer | vive quebec! |
| 18:29.36 | xacier | LOL here i am on my third debian install |
| 18:29.42 | lontra | is there a different module i can use for my synaptic mouse than psmouse? |
| 18:29.42 | Nyle | suzuki kawasaki? |
| 18:30.02 | jetscreamer | no i had a yamaha |
| 18:30.05 | bronze | How does the debian install work? LiveCD, or different? |
| 18:30.06 | Nyle | lol |
| 18:30.10 | xacier | if i pull the power core, will my partitions gone again? |
| 18:30.14 | Nyle | bronze: /msg dpkg ig |
| 18:30.22 | misreckoning | h3sp4wn: OK, thanks |
| 18:30.27 | Nyle | brb |
| 18:30.44 | jetscreamer | think text-based ubuntu |
| 18:30.47 | jetscreamer | there is a gui though |
| 18:30.52 | sandman | Is there a way to somehow pin on updates? |
| 18:30.53 | bronze | Nyle: thanks. |
| 18:30.56 | jetscreamer | kinda boggy for me on nvidia |
| 18:31.10 | jetscreamer | old school is best |
| 18:31.14 | xand | i dont fucking believe it |
| 18:31.21 | jetscreamer | !apt-pinning |
| 18:31.21 | dpkg | hmm... apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 18:31.28 | sandman | Such that one may run a Testing/Unstable installation, while automatic apt-get upgrades will only pull security updates for Testing? |
| 18:31.29 | rstanca | abrotman: why should I change the mirror since the plugin is downloaded from macromedia... |
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| 18:31.47 | jetscreamer | there are no security updates for sid, so probably so |
| 18:31.56 | sandman | Right, but there are for Testing |
| 18:32.05 | sandman | Set updates as the top priority, testing next, sid last |
| 18:32.10 | jetscreamer | i mix mine, but no security |
| 18:32.11 | xacier | well, i think debian is cool but everytime the thing freezes up and crash and all my stuff are gone that ain't the cool part |
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| 18:32.23 | stew | sandman: but if there is a package available for both testing and sid, which do you want? |
| 18:32.25 | jetscreamer | xacier: blame the admin |
| 18:32.30 | grew | sounds like hardware to me |
| 18:32.30 | Azar | xacier: depends..which debian did you installed? |
| 18:32.44 | xacier | current stable one |
| 18:32.45 | sandman | stew: Neither. I just want the packages that are updates to what's on my system that are in updates. |
| 18:33.01 | sandman | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free |
| 18:33.04 | Azar | xacier: then your hardware is defective |
| 18:33.09 | sandman | Like from there. And then I have lines for testing and unstable |
| 18:33.13 | stew | sandman: i mean, if you run "aptitude install somenewpackage" and somenewpackage is available for both testing and sid, then which do you want? |
| 18:33.19 | xacier | oh really? |
| 18:33.30 | sandman | stew: Testing. And if it's dependencies are not in Testing, grab them from sid |
| 18:33.39 | xacier | but i just reinstalled it on the same machine |
| 18:33.41 | sandman | stew: So I currently have pinning set to Testing in my preferences file. Works great |
| 18:33.44 | stew | sandman: it wouldn't be in testing unless its dependencies were in testing |
| 18:33.47 | stew | sandman: then you are done |
| 18:33.50 | xand | I need louder music |
| 18:33.50 | xacier | and here i am typing to you |
| 18:33.59 | Azar | xacier: you are one in 200 who complains about crashing the installation |
| 18:34.01 | valdyn | sandman: i think you dont know what you are asking for.. there's no decent security support for testing, and each new sid package might aswell be a security upgrade, without saying |
| 18:34.02 | stew | sandman: there is nothing additional you need to do |
| 18:34.05 | sandman | stew: Okay. But what if I only want security updates past that point? |
| 18:34.41 | stew | sandman: i'm pretty sure that testing never gets security updates that arean't also available in sid |
| 18:34.54 | sandman | But there _are_ security updates for Testing. I would presume the policy for this would be either a rollback for an instant move from Sid to Testing, without the typical QA |
| 18:35.00 | xacier | adioz |
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| 18:35.13 | stew | sandman: no, if you have the sid version of a package you will get the newer package from sid |
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| 18:35.26 | stew | sandman: but it should also have the security updates |
| 18:35.26 | sandman | stew: Right. You see, what I want to do is this: Setup a client with a testing/Unstable distro, and have everything in order. I'd want minimal breakages, and so I wanted only security updates to be installed. |
| 18:35.42 | stew | sandman: then you should be running stable |
| 18:35.56 | sandman | stew: And what is Stable is unsuitable for this particular application? |
| 18:36.04 | slaq | hmm.. can someone tell me how to get at the samba 3.0.24-6etch4 version? i only see 3.0.24-6 but need to get the newer version for an important security fix |
| 18:36.06 | stew | sandman: huh? |
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| 18:36.14 | sandman | stew: It's for a desktop installation, not a server one. And the new hardware (such as USB speakers) is not supported in Stable |
| 18:36.28 | stew | sandman: "m-a a-i alsa" |
| 18:36.28 | valdyn | sandman: umm |
| 18:36.30 | wols_ | sandman: use a backported kernel |
| 18:36.32 | Azar | sandman: stew is right, you can't expect a minimal breakage on a non-stable version |
| 18:36.45 | valdyn | sandman: usb audio was already supported in sarge |
| 18:36.46 | bronze | When debian says "Intel x86", AMD Athlon64 is still supported right? (Running debian x32 on AMD Athlon 64). |
| 18:36.48 | wols_ | sandman: and there are no security updates for testing or sid either |
| 18:36.57 | wols_ | bronze: yes |
| 18:36.59 | stew | wols_: there are scurity updates for testing |
| 18:37.11 | wols_ | stew: guaranteed ones? |
| 18:37.22 | cahoot | obscurity? |
| 18:37.27 | stew | wols_: no, there are not guaranteed security updates for stable either though |
| 18:37.29 | valdyn | !testing security |
| 18:37.29 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. |
| 18:37.37 | Azar | bah.. packages moving all the time from sid to testing.... |
| 18:37.50 | wols_ | stew: well, for main there is I thought? I use the word "uuarantee" loosely here I guess |
| 18:38.25 | stew | wols_: what do you mean by guarantee then? |
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| 18:38.49 | Azar | sandman: testing is in a continuous chganges... packages move, and things tend to break sometimes |
| 18:39.05 | stew | wols_: there are vulnerabilities in stable which have been known for years already |
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| 18:39.17 | bronze | So this "graphical installer", is it recommendable? I have never installed Debian before, so I don't know if it's hard. |
| 18:39.34 | zinx | stew: someone should report them if that's true |
| 18:39.34 | valdyn | bronze: the graphical installer doesnt make it a bit easier |
| 18:39.36 | Azar | bronze: take a look: http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_debian_etch |
| 18:39.46 | xand | bronze: it's the same as the CLI one except you can use a mouse |
| 18:39.50 | stew | zinx: http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/ |
| 18:40.01 | jetscreamer | bronze: neither are hard, i found the gui boggy on nvidia |
| 18:40.13 | stew | zinx: that is maintained by the security team, so they clearly know about them |
| 18:40.35 | soothsayer | Can anyone tell me how to 'pin' packages in my local debarchiver repository? 'origin ""' described in the apt_preferences man page doesn't seem to be workingn for me (and I don't quite understand why it would work in any case). |
| 18:40.35 | zinx | stew: i don't see any that are "years" old |
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| 18:40.49 | jetscreamer | !apt-pinning |
| 18:40.49 | dpkg | i guess apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 18:40.58 | stew | zinx: http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/CVE-2005-2977 |
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| 18:41.08 | stew | bah that one was fixed |
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| 18:41.33 | SamuraiDio | how do i install fonts with defoma? |
| 18:41.44 | stew | zinx: http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/CVE-2005-4830 |
| 18:42.29 | soothsayer | jetscreamer: Yeah, I generally understand how apt-pinning works. I have a specific problem that isn't addressed in those resources or the man page (or at least it is not working for me) |
| 18:42.41 | MANDRIVA_CTM | ... |
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| 18:43.11 | zinx | stew: that doesn't look like a very interesting vulnerability :/ |
| 18:43.38 | keith4 | you can fix it later |
| 18:43.53 | stew | zinx: no not at all. my point is that if you want to say that "stable has guranteed security updates and testing doesn't" i'd like to know what "guranateed" means |
| 18:44.17 | bronze | How's Debian's language support? If there's a list, where can I find it (if there are more languages than English)? |
| 18:44.26 | stew | ^you^one |
| 18:44.35 | zinx | stew: i'd imagine it just meant security.debian.org handles it, and the person didn't know testing is handled by them now |
| 18:44.58 | stew | zinx: no, he knew |
| 18:45.05 | \amethyst | bronze: http://www.debian.org/international/ |
| 18:45.17 | xand | bronze: http://www.debian.org/international/ |
| 18:45.22 | zinx | stew: there's also the possibility of stupidity, as hard as that is to believe on the internet ;) |
| 18:45.24 | valdyn | bronze: there's alot of languages. As always with free software, support varies with language and specific software |
| 18:45.40 | Gm4n | Where should I go to get help with mdadm? There's no #mdadm, and it's not exactly a linux issue or a debian issue =/ |
| 18:45.54 | xand | Gm4n: if you're using debian you could try here |
| 18:45.56 | jetscreamer | bronze: there is a plethora |
| 18:46.04 | Gm4n | I am using debian... |
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| 18:46.24 | Gm4n | for some reason, when I try to use mdadm to create a raid-1 device, it complains that /dev/sda and /dev/sdb are busy |
| 18:46.50 | jetscreamer | !raid |
| 18:46.51 | dpkg | from memory, raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, [Software Raid], http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels |
| 18:47.00 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 18:47.02 | valdyn | Gm4n: and? are they busy? |
| 18:47.08 | Gm4n | they shouldn't be... |
| 18:47.09 | jetscreamer | i was hoping for cockroaches |
| 18:47.10 | Gm4n | they aren't mounted |
| 18:47.17 | Gm4n | they don't even have partitions |
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| 18:47.36 | jetscreamer | do you raid drives, or partitions? |
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| 18:47.39 | simonrvn | were they mounted previously? |
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| 18:47.41 | keith4 | Gm4n: what exactly are you doing when you say " when I try to use mdadm to create a raid-1 device"? |
| 18:47.45 | jetscreamer | i know nothing about raid |
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| 18:47.50 | xand | jetscreamer: depends |
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| 18:48.01 | xand | mdadm certainly RAIDs partitions, dunno about drives |
| 18:48.02 | valdyn | Gm4n: what's in /proc/mdstat ? |
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| 18:48.20 | xand | !ops jkasehwefergwfqw spamming |
| 18:48.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: jkasehwefergwfqw spamming |
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| 18:48.30 | Gm4n | whoah... the raid seems to have been created |
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| 18:48.38 | somian | Hauddhi Debianistas |
| 18:48.42 | wols_ | stew: I didn't know there even was a security.debian.org for testing |
| 18:48.45 | Gm4n | that would explain it |
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| 18:48.56 | valdyn | duh! |
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| 18:49.07 | wols_ | and that the security team would only handle stable at all. with testing and sid only getting updates when they get new versions |
| 18:49.08 | Nyle | hug |
| 18:49.14 | Nyle | !hug |
| 18:49.14 | stew | xand: he sent you spam in /msg or what? |
| 18:49.17 | somian | Ok, Xnest isn't accepting a connection from a machine running X11 clients on the local (secure) LAN. I want it to. |
| 18:49.23 | Azar | ewww cups owned by apple |
| 18:49.28 | xand | stew: no, the /part message which he keeps showing by joining/parting |
| 18:49.28 | streuner | stew: "Linux sucks"... |
| 18:49.31 | Nyle | Azar: ? |
| 18:49.35 | azeem | xand: how is that spamming? |
| 18:49.40 | Nyle | Azar: cups as in CUPS the printing manager? |
| 18:49.44 | keith4 | yes |
| 18:49.44 | streuner | azeem: he insult us |
| 18:49.48 | xand | azeem: how isn't it? |
| 18:49.49 | azeem | OMG |
| 18:49.53 | wols_ | is there some other program besides vnc that would allow me to have a "screen(1)" for X11? |
| 18:49.53 | jetscreamer | azeem: multiple join/parts with linux sucks in a quit msg? |
| 18:49.56 | stew | xand: /ignore jkasehwefergwfqw PARTS JOINS QUITS |
| 18:49.58 | Nyle | well |
| 18:50.01 | jetscreamer | multiple fast repeated |
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| 18:50.05 | Nyle | linux does kinda suck |
| 18:50.09 | xand | stew: no, ban them |
| 18:50.10 | Nyle | but sucking is good no? |
| 18:50.10 | Azar | apple purchased the source code last february |
| 18:50.16 | Nyle | Azar: thats crazy |
| 18:50.18 | somian | What do you think, jetscreamer? |
| 18:50.20 | streuner | Nyle: sure, but nobody has to tell us ;-) |
| 18:50.23 | stew | xand: i'm not going to ban him if he had done nothing wrong |
| 18:50.26 | tabularasa | is there a way to search a file system for files owned by a particular user? |
| 18:50.27 | Azar | Nyle: yeah it is |
| 18:50.31 | jetscreamer | i can see having it in the quit msg, but not the on)part spam |
| 18:50.37 | xand | stew: so you have no reason not to |
| 18:50.38 | jetscreamer | on_part |
| 18:50.38 | valdyn | that's totally irrelevant and off topic |
| 18:50.43 | armbar | what can I use to configure a static ip and dns entries besides ifconfig can resolve.conf? Is there a netcardconfig app? |
| 18:50.48 | azeem | jetscreamer: what is on_part spam? |
| 18:50.51 | Nyle | streuner: but linux sucks, it sucks good, like a good woman. :D sucking isn't always a bad thing |
| 18:50.55 | Nyle | hehe, im gonna shuddup |
| 18:50.57 | stew | xand: yes. i have reason not to |
| 18:50.58 | \amethyst | tabularasa: find / -user fred |
| 18:50.58 | xand | armbar: interfaces |
| 18:50.58 | Azar | Nyle: http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/12/1342258&from=rss |
| 18:50.59 | assasukasse | hi, what is the command to see which ports are open and who is connected to them in my server? |
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| 18:51.03 | Nyle | checking |
| 18:51.07 | stew | wols_: the security team provides updates to testing |
| 18:51.07 | azeem | xand: we don't ban people because of their quit messages |
| 18:51.09 | wols_ | assasukasse: netstat |
| 18:51.15 | azeem | we'd have to ban all bitchx users, if we did |
| 18:51.20 | xand | azeem: it wasn't a quit message, and it was blatently deliberate |
| 18:51.20 | Azar | it does not make sense, it is under GPL2 how the heck was "purchased" ? |
| 18:51.21 | assasukasse | wols_: no options? |
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| 18:51.27 | streuner | Nyle: its a difference if somebody tell you the truth or somebody want troll... |
| 18:51.27 | jetscreamer | /part'ing & /join'ing repeatedly to spam the channel |
| 18:51.28 | simonrvn | ^^^ trol |
| 18:51.28 | simonrvn | here we go with irssi being all frozen again, ruining my timing |
| 18:51.32 | wols_ | assasukasse: man netstat gives them to you |
| 18:51.37 | assasukasse | thanks |
| 18:51.37 | stew | jetscreamer: /help ignore |
| 18:51.39 | Nyle | streuner: i know, just pullin yer leg |
| 18:51.43 | SamuraiDio | how do i install fonts with defoma? |
| 18:51.47 | somian | Actually I meant ... |
| 18:51.49 | azeem | Azar: they hired the person who wrote CUPS and who apparently holds the copyright on it |
| 18:51.50 | somian | Ok, Xnest isn't accepting a connection from a machine running X11 clients on the local (secure) LAN. I want it to. |
| 18:51.52 | azeem | they == Apple |
| 18:51.54 | streuner | stew: sometimes you are just boring *cough* |
| 18:52.01 | stew | ? |
| 18:52.06 | Azar | azeem: ohhh I see, thanks |
| 18:52.10 | valdyn | SamuraiDio: you dont use defoma to install fonts, what are you trying to do? |
| 18:52.16 | streuner | stew: s(he) is a troll, not more and not less.... |
| 18:52.21 | wols_ | Azar: mysql AB owns mysql, yet it is sill GPLed |
| 18:52.25 | simonrvn | valdyn: sorry valdyn, wasn't meant for you |
| 18:52.26 | Nyle | hey |
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| 18:52.28 | stew | streuner: drop it, use ignore |
| 18:52.29 | Nyle | its still under gpl2.0 |
| 18:52.31 | armbar | xand: is interfaces an application? |
| 18:52.31 | SamuraiDio | valdyn, i just want to insttall a new font |
| 18:52.35 | Nyle | so let apple buy it, who cares |
| 18:52.35 | xand | !interfaces |
| 18:52.36 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 18:52.46 | jetscreamer | ok so i can make up any quit msg i want and /part and /join as many times as i want? and irritate the entire channel who didn't want to be assed to /ignore, or don't even know about it being newbies? |
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| 18:52.50 | SamuraiDio | on kde i can use the kcontrol, on gnome i can use nautiluz, but now i'm on Xfce |
| 18:52.56 | Azar | wols_: so it is ok to be open source, but it does not make it free software, right? |
| 18:52.59 | Nyle | SamuraiDio: xffm |
| 18:53.03 | Nyle | SamuraiDio: or use 'thunar' |
| 18:53.07 | xand | jetscreamer: so it would seem |
| 18:53.09 | simonrvn | hi Nyle |
| 18:53.13 | Nyle | simonrvn: hy buddy |
| 18:53.14 | jetscreamer | seems like A Bad Thing |
| 18:53.23 | somian | Hello simonrvn ... good day? |
| 18:53.33 | wols_ | Azar: mysql is Free software. |
| 18:53.33 | stew | jetscreamer: if i have good reason to believe that you are doing something to intentionall annoy the channel, i'll ban you, i have no reason to believe that he is trying to intentionally annoy the channel |
| 18:53.42 | wols_ | Azar: same for Qt |
| 18:53.51 | armbar | xand: there is no catcardconfig type app in the repos? |
| 18:53.55 | SamuraiDio | Nyle, how do i use thunar? |
| 18:54.01 | valdyn | SamuraiDio: just copy your your fonts into ~/.fonts/ |
| 18:54.06 | somian | Xnest? ... |
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| 18:54.19 | Azar | ahh :) ok so the code is free to distribute/change..etc |
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| 18:54.26 | Nyle | SamuraiDio: its a nautlius lookalike filemanager now officialy a part of xfce I believe |
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| 18:54.35 | Azar | Nyle: you lost your rahul |
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| 18:54.38 | Nyle | SamuraiDio: apt-get install thunar if it didn't already get installed |
| 18:54.43 | Nyle | Azar: I did? |
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| 18:54.51 | Azar | Nyle: he left... |
| 18:54.57 | Nyle | rahul left? |
| 18:55.03 | Nyle | where did he go? |
| 18:55.05 | streuner | stew: s(he) spamming the channel, isnt that reason enough? |
| 18:55.07 | simonrvn | here we go again |
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| 18:55.13 | assasukasse | is there someone that use openvpn? i keep getting this error http://pastebin.com/d790fdf02 and i dont know how to solve..since i don't see why it happens |
| 18:55.17 | Nyle | where we go? |
| 18:55.26 | simonrvn | stew: it's obvious what he's trying to do |
| 18:55.29 | azeem | streuner: so far, we haven't considered multiple join/parts as spamming |
| 18:55.45 | azeem | they're not writing to this chan, nor sending people privsmgs, AFAICT |
| 18:55.46 | simonrvn | um, note part message |
| 18:55.51 | streuner | azeem: well, everyone saw that, but not you |
| 18:55.54 | Nyle | Azar: I've seen join/part floods on other networks |
| 18:55.59 | Nyle | azeem: * |
| 18:56.06 | azeem | streuner: saw what? |
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| 18:56.13 | Nyle | also many people join and change nicks all the same time causing nick flood |
| 18:56.15 | Nyle | etc. etc. |
| 18:56.16 | streuner | quit/join messages |
| 18:56.17 | wols_ | azeem: a quitmessage to a channel is writing to the channel and age old way to avoide a +m |
| 18:56.17 | Azar | ahhh I see the guy, he earns his K-star |
| 18:56.20 | simonrvn | s'ok anyway, his own crappy network did him in |
| 18:56.35 | xand | 2007-07-12 19:54:37 -!- pjaoewrjgokerh [n=toni@p57B1E4DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #debian ["linux sucks"] |
| 18:56.42 | xand | azeem: that, loads of times. |
| 18:56.44 | Nyle | so whats the big deal, fuck him |
| 18:56.46 | Nyle | ignore it man |
| 18:56.47 | somian | There's some confusion here on some folks part on the distinction between "spam" and "trolling". |
| 18:56.57 | stew | please keep it on-topic |
| 18:56.59 | azeem | xand: did I claim I didn't see it? |
| 18:56.59 | xand | somian: I'd say that was both |
| 18:57.04 | azeem | xand: I claimed it wasn't spamming |
| 18:57.05 | xand | azeem: you implied it |
| 18:57.11 | Azar | fun thing is, most of us did not even noticed his efforts |
| 18:57.20 | simonrvn | it's annoying, and meant to be so. he's a moron, set an ignore if the ops refuse to do anything about this |
| 18:57.21 | subx | ok folks, time to start talking about Debian again.. |
| 18:57.29 | jetscreamer | spam is unwanted unsolicited mass items |
| 18:57.35 | somian | Basically people saying "I'm annoyed" but not very eloquently |
| 18:57.36 | jetscreamer | i get it in my mailbox all the time |
| 18:57.43 | Nyle | spam - stupid pointless annoying message |
| 18:57.44 | Azar | set # of joins /min |
| 18:57.45 | Nyle | :D |
| 18:57.57 | Nyle | or you can buy spam in a can |
| 18:58.00 | xand | Nyle: nice backronykm |
| 18:58.02 | xand | -k |
| 18:58.15 | jetscreamer | i am spam. spam i am. yes i like green spam and ham. |
| 18:58.27 | simonrvn | green eggs |
| 18:58.33 | Azar | simonrvn: I guess is the same guy who pretended to have installed Debian several times and it crashed.. |
| 18:58.34 | Nyle | as acid bath says in on song, dr. suess is dead. |
| 18:58.43 | somian | No one here using Xnest on Debian? |
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| 18:58.52 | tarzeau | somian: i do |
| 18:58.53 | xand | somian: I have. |
| 18:58.54 | simonrvn | not for a while |
| 18:58.55 | jetscreamer | i've used it but only a couple times |
| 18:59.00 | Nyle | see |
| 18:59.02 | Nyle | that was fucking stupid |
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| 18:59.07 | Azar | :D hello mister tarzeau |
| 18:59.08 | somian | Ok, Xnest isn't accepting a connection from a machine running X11 clients on the local (secure) LAN. I want it to. Any thoughts? |
| 18:59.09 | Nyle | somian: just ask your real question |
| 18:59.15 | simonrvn | Azar: *shuigs* |
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| 18:59.23 | tarzeau | Azar: hello mr. azar |
| 18:59.25 | simonrvn | shrugs* |
| 18:59.31 | Azar | :) |
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| 18:59.49 | tarzeau | Azar: i've just tried assault cube, it's much like counter strike, without any physics engine |
| 18:59.50 | Nyle | i better fix this pc |
| 18:59.55 | somian | I've had it working on a another network and don't recall having to do anything special, and that's got me confused. |
| 19:00.15 | subx | some distros do releases every 6 months, what is the release cycle for debian? |
| 19:00.25 | simonrvn | i usually make a script to run it, easier that way |
| 19:00.25 | tarzeau | subx: about two years |
| 19:00.28 | somian | "When it is ready" |
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| 19:00.53 | keith4 | subx: that's a good one. "release cycle" |
| 19:00.55 | keith4 | ha |
| 19:01.03 | tarzeau | subx: no company will be happy with the work burden upgrading their systems, every 6 months |
| 19:01.12 | subx | thats true |
| 19:01.14 | streuner | subx: RM saying Debian should release every 1 year at least, we'll see what happens... |
| 19:01.15 | assasukasse | subx: debian will be released when is ready |
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| 19:01.46 | assasukasse | however a 2 year cycle would be nice...1 year is too often |
| 19:01.55 | subx | 1 year is ok |
| 19:01.59 | simonrvn | debian's release cycle is zen |
| 19:02.01 | streuner | its a hard job, because Debian gets more and more packages.... |
| 19:02.07 | somian | Truly |
| 19:02.16 | tarzeau | streuner: it's not the amount of packages, but their state and interdependencies |
| 19:02.37 | streuner | tarzeau: too many archs, too many packages |
| 19:02.46 | tarzeau | streuner: i disagree, i disagree |
| 19:02.51 | streuner | hehe |
| 19:03.32 | subx | if it wasnt for intelligent coders willing to help out there would be no release? |
| 19:03.53 | xand | "help out" |
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| 19:04.26 | subx | xand: what else would they be doing? |
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| 19:04.55 | chops | subx: Bickering on debian-devel, of course. So much more enjoyable :-). |
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| 19:05.07 | subx | heh |
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| 19:05.30 | xand | subx: I mean they don't just help out |
| 19:05.53 | streuner | some day, we have to decide what we want, release cylce which are early or RM who work fulltime... |
| 19:06.10 | tarzeau | streuner: we? |
| 19:06.18 | simonrvn | streuner: SIYH. easy to bitch ;) |
| 19:06.19 | streuner | or less packages or/and less arches |
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| 19:06.23 | tarzeau | streuner: fulltime paid or not? |
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| 19:06.29 | streuner | yeah |
| 19:06.50 | streuner | because, the work gets more and more, each year |
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| 19:06.59 | tarzeau | streuner: you know what they do with very large things and stuff that needs to scale? |
| 19:07.10 | Azar | gui heaven for the command line-disabled: http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/How-Do-I-Use-This.aspx |
| 19:07.17 | Azar | :D |
| 19:07.28 | chops | streuner: I believe that it got less after sarge (fewer architectures, more work on the port teams, finished installer). |
| 19:07.28 | tarzeau | streuner: they delegate and distribute it |
| 19:07.33 | xand | haha |
| 19:07.36 | jetscreamer | aspx? |
| 19:07.40 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 19:07.45 | x_link | Hi |
| 19:07.46 | streuner | tarzeau: bullshit |
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| 19:08.07 | tarzeau | streuner: do you know why we don't have /etc/hosts anymore but DNS? |
| 19:08.14 | jetscreamer | we were playing a game called bullshit when my stepfather broke his neck |
| 19:08.16 | agato | i finally duplicated the same error |
| 19:08.16 | tarzeau | streuner: not because of you :) |
| 19:08.41 | Azar | jetscreamer: you scored him? |
| 19:08.44 | agato | whenever i turn the system off without issuing shutdown or poweroff |
| 19:08.47 | bizinichi | fun |
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| 19:08.53 | x_link | What is the debian multimedia repo? |
| 19:08.55 | agato | will wipe out all the partitions |
| 19:08.56 | streuner | tarzeau: all bugs were solved from the RM's (aba and vorlon) |
| 19:08.59 | subx | zoneminder is in unstable! i didnt neven know debian had a package for it!!! :D |
| 19:09.00 | subx | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/zoneminder |
| 19:09.10 | agato | so it is not my hardware problem, people |
| 19:09.11 | somian | CRAP. I get it. The manpage for Xnest is crap. Doing Xnest -h shows tons of switches that aren't even mentioned in the manpage. |
| 19:09.12 | x_link | deb http://www.debian.org/ lenny main ? |
| 19:09.17 | tarzeau | streuner: and who says the number of RM's is limited to two? |
| 19:09.19 | valdyn | agato: why are you doing cold resets at all? |
| 19:09.24 | stew | somian: file a wishlist bug |
| 19:09.32 | streuner | tarzeau: thats another question... |
| 19:09.35 | agato | cruz i want to test it |
| 19:09.38 | chops | somian: A wishlist bug with a patch would be even better :-) |
| 19:09.44 | valdyn | agato: its unsafe and dangerous for your data |
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| 19:09.55 | agato | it is more than unsafe |
| 19:10.00 | Azar | x_link: ask dpkg: /msg dpkg debian-multimedia.etch |
| 19:10.00 | somian | Indeed, chops, this one seems worth doing |
| 19:10.03 | valdyn | agato: that's nothing that debian can take responsibility for |
| 19:10.05 | agato | it is a massacure |
| 19:10.07 | chops | agato: Cold resets aren't a good idea. That said, they shouldn't reliably destroy your data either... |
| 19:10.11 | valdyn | agato: right, dont do it |
| 19:10.12 | agato | completely gone |
| 19:10.19 | valdyn | agato: unless you want to break things |
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| 19:10.30 | x_link | Azar: I use Testing |
| 19:10.41 | alanhaggai | How can I *completely* uninstall a package? |
| 19:10.42 | agato | well, i mean, if it freezes up |
| 19:10.43 | valdyn | agato: repeated power on/power off are good to break your psu though - so if that's your goal... |
| 19:10.44 | Azar | x_link: testing is an unknown territory for me |
| 19:10.48 | agato | there is no other way |
| 19:10.50 | x_link | Azar: Okej, thanks anyway =) |
| 19:10.51 | stew | alanhaggai: aptitude purge packagename |
| 19:10.51 | tarzeau | !uninstall |
| 19:10.56 | jetscreamer | Azar: no we were sitting around a campfire playing a drinking game called bullshit, and he was off doing the midnight swim thing and broke his neck |
| 19:10.59 | streuner | alanhaggai: use 'option' purge |
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| 19:11.19 | Azar | jetscreamer: darn... |
| 19:11.22 | streuner | apt-get remove --purge blahblah |
| 19:11.32 | alanhaggai | Ok stew and streuner |
| 19:11.37 | tarzeau | dpkg uninstall is a package purge removed might still have savegame, debconf (debconf-get-selections) left overs |
| 19:11.37 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 19:11.45 | agato | alrite, adioz |
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| 19:11.56 | tarzeau | dpkg uninstall s/savegame/highscore/ |
| 19:12.21 | abrotman | wtf |
| 19:12.21 | tarzeau | streuner: even that purge option doesn't assure complete removal |
| 19:12.35 | Azar | hello to you too mister abrotman |
| 19:12.40 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 19:12.41 | dpkg | The only thing worse than a useless factoid is a wrong factoid. |
| 19:12.44 | abrotman | !useless factoid |
| 19:12.44 | dpkg | it has been said that useless factoid is Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a Ubuntu user, or any factoid concerning factoids |
| 19:12.46 | abrotman | yay! |
| 19:12.52 | streuner | wb(r) abortman |
| 19:13.13 | Azar | tarzeau: you earned a wtf from abrotman, your lucky day |
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| 19:13.23 | tarzeau | dpkg forget uninstall |
| 19:13.24 | dpkg | i forgot uninstall, tarzeau |
| 19:13.33 | tarzeau | Azar: oh well |
| 19:13.52 | Azar | tarzeau: don't matter you are still a hero in my eyes.. |
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| 19:14.03 | Azar | the best gamer around |
| 19:14.28 | tarzeau | Azar: when are you going to ascend in nethack? |
| 19:15.01 | Azar | tarzeau: busy with some reading so far.... |
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| 19:15.07 | goodshit | Anyone know of a third party mail services that I can pay for hardware wise, that will allow us to shoot email to them and have them delivery email into yahoo inbox and other major provider. I was looking at Goodmail.com that seem ok, but anyone know of any other popular company that does this? thanks.. |
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| 19:15.38 | Azar | hey, I got an idea: doom as interface for mail spam! |
| 19:15.41 | chops | goodshit: pobox.com |
| 19:15.44 | Azar | killing spam |
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| 19:15.57 | Azar | tarzeau: think it can be done? |
| 19:16.21 | Azar | swap psdoom with maildoom |
| 19:16.26 | tarzeau | Azar: i doubt anyone will write it |
| 19:16.35 | goodshit | pobox is good? |
| 19:16.43 | Azar | too bad, it was a good idea |
| 19:16.49 | wols_ | tarzeau: but think of the sprites one could use for Viagra spam! |
| 19:17.08 | wols_ | goodshit: no "pay for delivery" email provider is good |
| 19:17.44 | xand | pay for delivery = guarranteed spam :| |
| 19:17.44 | chops | goodshit: I've heard good things about it. I've never used it myself. |
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| 19:18.03 | somian | I use pobox, they are fine |
| 19:18.21 | goodshit | wols. yes but site?? |
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| 19:19.16 | wols_ | goodshit: you will be supporting commercial blackmail if you use one of them. no matter which one |
| 19:19.23 | somian | That's called an "email forwarding service" btw, goodsh*t |
| 19:19.38 | goodshit | look at goodmail.com |
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| 19:19.40 | goodshit | how do they do it? |
| 19:19.44 | goodshit | any other company beside them? |
| 19:19.47 | somian | wols_: bs |
| 19:20.02 | somian | That's total crap. |
| 19:20.04 | wols_ | and read http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/11/150225 |
| 19:20.25 | chops | goodshit: Oh, wait -- I misunderstood you. pobox.com is mainly for receiving mail and forwarding it to you; I'm not sure if they run an SMTP server you can use to send mail also. |
| 19:20.27 | wols_ | somian: it is not. either you pay or your message won't get to the recipients |
| 19:20.32 | *** part/#debian foo (n=foo@unaffiliated/foo) |
| 19:21.02 | wols_ | somian: read the link I pasted |
| 19:21.30 | somian | Of course ... it's a service that's supported by payinf for it ... why would it work if you didn't keep up you end of the agreement? |
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| 19:22.07 | wols_ | it pays yahoo/htomail/etc |
| 19:22.11 | wols_ | the recipient ISP |
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| 19:22.52 | somian | That isn't anything like pobox <-- wols_ & goodsh*t |
| 19:22.53 | wols_ | paying a commercial email provider itself is fine. it's like h soting. paying goodmail is not |
| 19:23.27 | wols_ | somian: read the url, it tells you what happens if/when it becomes commonplace |
| 19:23.43 | somian | I don't send email through pobox.com, it gets sent there by others and I receive it in the mailbox of my choosing. |
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| 19:24.03 | wols_ | afaik pobox also acts as a smarthost (whicjh is fine) |
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| 19:25.16 | somian | It's an extremely affordable service that's been one of the very few Internet businesses that I respect after having a relationship with them and feel was one of the best decisions I ever made. The main point of it is to keep a stable email address to give out, so that your ESP of the month doesn't hold you hostage. |
| 19:26.00 | \amethyst | somian: wols isn't complaining about pobox.com, but about goodmail.com |
| 19:26.05 | somian | I've never seen anything from them about charging per-message to cause avoidance of spam filters. |
| 19:26.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | I recently installed Debian on a new laptop. I installed KDE immediately after getting it up and running, and used rcconf to remove gdm from the list of services to run at boot and added kdm instead. Yet, when I boot up, gdm comes up and KDE isn't an option in the wm list |
| 19:26.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone give me a hand? |
| 19:26.30 | somian | Yes, he seems to be shotting off his mouth about stuff he knows nothing about, \amethyst |
| 19:26.35 | wols_ | somian: how much per year? |
| 19:26.38 | somian | shooting* |
| 19:26.39 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: maybe it's called startkde or something in the list? |
| 19:26.43 | somian | $7 |
| 19:26.44 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: ksession, kwin? |
| 19:26.50 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 19:26.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: Thanks :D |
| 19:27.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Tried already |
| 19:27.04 | wols_ | ok. about 5$ less than a website per year (which includes mail) |
| 19:27.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: It says /usr/bin/kdm :/ |
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| 19:27.46 | wols_ | somian: I never complained about pobox. and you don't know what goodshit wants but still commented |
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| 19:29.56 | JordiGH | Word on the net is that gnash can do YouTube. Is this true of the version in Debian? |
| 19:30.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | JordiGH: As of 0.8.0, it can |
| 19:30.16 | wols_ | JordiGH: from what I remember only the cvs version |
| 19:30.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | JordiGH: So...what version is in Debian? |
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| 19:30.40 | stew | JordiGH: .8 is supposed to be able to |
| 19:30.43 | [GABRI] | -es |
| 19:30.59 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: depends on the version of debian and the architecture |
| 19:31.00 | JordiGH | Dark_Apostrophe: 0.8stuffstuffstuff is in unstable. |
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| 19:31.05 | alexou_ | hello, ati 9200/9250 driver fglrx : log -> (EE) fglrx(0): === [R200DALSetDisplayConfig] === CWDDC DisplaySetConfig failed: 6 |
| 19:31.12 | jonaskoelker | My inner cat macro wants to say "halp! I can has halp?" |
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| 19:31.18 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: there is newer snapshot in experimental also |
| 19:31.21 | jonaskoelker | so let me go about describing the problem |
| 19:31.26 | JordiGH | h3sp4wn: I'm not touching experimental. ;-) |
| 19:31.27 | jonaskoelker | "some kde stuff hangs" |
| 19:31.32 | jonaskoelker | konqueror hangs on startup |
| 19:31.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | JordiGH: But prior versions don't do YouTube :) |
| 19:31.39 | jonaskoelker | kpdf does *not* hang on startup |
| 19:31.44 | jonaskoelker | but it hangs on File->Open |
| 19:31.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | JordiGH: So it's your choice - unstable, or no youtube :) |
| 19:32.02 | jonaskoelker | though not on Recent Files->[some file] |
| 19:32.06 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: both cvs snapshots |
| 19:32.08 | jonaskoelker | yet it *does* hang on print preview |
| 19:32.10 | JordiGH | Dark_Apostrophe: I guess I'll be using Macrodobe for the time being. I expect it'll trickle down to testing soon. |
| 19:32.14 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: only difference is the date |
| 19:32.26 | wols_ | JordiGH: compile the .deb from source. make a backport :) |
| 19:32.33 | JordiGH | h3sp4wn: So I see. But I prefer to trust the DD's choice to put the newer CVS in experimental, not unstable. |
| 19:32.52 | JordiGH | wols_: Y'know what, good idea. Let's try. |
| 19:32.58 | \amethyst | JordiGH: could take a while... the new version still hasn't been built on mips, mipsel, and s390 |
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| 19:33.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | Weird... I run startx, and gnome pops up |
| 19:33.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | But I want KDE |
| 19:33.05 | xand | how should I get a list of installed packages from one machine to install the same on another? |
| 19:33.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | :/ |
| 19:33.15 | jonaskoelker | .. now this is fun |
| 19:33.19 | jonaskoelker | kwrite's File->Open works just fine |
| 19:33.32 | [GABRI] | anyone have quotas? |
| 19:33.34 | \amethyst | !selections |
| 19:33.35 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 19:33.35 | [GABRI] | i have problem |
| 19:33.36 | [GABRI] | http://rafb.net/p/nkOdmV11.html |
| 19:33.37 | tarzeau | xand: COLUMNS=160 dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}' |
| 19:33.45 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: Not guaranteed that they didn't just upload to experimental to get it in the archive faster |
| 19:33.56 | jonaskoelker | anyone got an idea what's wrong? |
| 19:33.57 | JordiGH | xand: dpkg -l | perl -e 'while(<>){@foo = split; print $foo[1];} |
| 19:34.17 | wols_ | [GABRI]: what debian version is this? |
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| 19:34.22 | JordiGH | xand: dpkg -l | perl -e 'while(<>){@foo = split; print "$foo[1]\n";}' |
| 19:34.25 | JordiGH | Oops ^^ |
| 19:35.01 | JordiGH | Ack, h3sp4wn's line is shorter. :-( |
| 19:35.06 | xand | thanks |
| 19:35.24 | \amethyst | [GABRI]: what's the problem? |
| 19:35.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I manually change the default X window manager? |
| 19:35.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Or desktop environment |
| 19:35.40 | wols_ | Dark_Apostrophe: system wide? |
| 19:35.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yes |
| 19:35.56 | wols_ | !tell Dark_Apostrophe about x-window-manager |
| 19:36.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | Thanks |
| 19:36.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | dpkg is like a wiki, except for the editing part... has information on everything :/ |
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| 19:37.00 | xand | you can edit it |
| 19:37.12 | wols_ | Dark_Apostrophe: even like the editing part |
| 19:37.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay...how? :P |
| 19:37.29 | JordiGH | Wow, gnash's build-deps are pretty steep. |
| 19:37.33 | jonaskoelker | can anyone help me? |
| 19:37.37 | JordiGH | 69 new megs after unpacking. :-/ |
| 19:37.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | I thought it was just some owner of the bot who could |
| 19:37.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | JordiGH: I usually just compile it.. it works better. |
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| 19:38.42 | JordiGH | Dark_Apostrophe: Uh, DD's "just compile it" too. |
| 19:39.07 | bony | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:39.34 | lontra | JordiGH, gnash in unstable ... sort of works with youtube |
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| 19:39.41 | valdyn | bony: use a mailer that is actually suitable for large mailboxes, like sylpheed or mutt |
| 19:39.44 | tarzeau | bony: it doesn't scale? |
| 19:40.01 | littleboy | hey ... i need to resize a partition. shrink it to be exact. but the system I'm doing it is remote. |
| 19:40.06 | littleboy | any issues that i need to look after ? |
| 19:40.12 | littleboy | and is it possible to do it ... remote |
| 19:40.21 | littleboy | without booting in single user mode or similiar |
| 19:40.31 | littleboy | i'm using parted. |
| 19:40.45 | tarzeau | littleboy: what filesystem? |
| 19:40.53 | valdyn | bony: evolution is exceptionally slow |
| 19:40.55 | littleboy | ext3 |
| 19:40.56 | bony | well its like this when every i open evolution or close it or try to search or delete a folder it take more time to complete these simple and fast task's than listening to an entire album of Beatles |
| 19:41.00 | tarzeau | littleboy: when i resized ntfs partitions with qtparted, some didn't work afterwards |
| 19:41.07 | JordiGH | littleboy: Not if the partition is in use. I think Windows Vista can resize live partitions, but I don't think it can be done for ext2/3 |
| 19:41.13 | bony | how is claws? |
| 19:41.18 | tarzeau | littleboy: it's possible to do it remotely |
| 19:41.24 | doschdn | hi. how do i properly use ldap for group management? i put ldap in my nsswitch.conf, but now udev prints some annoying errors while booting, because slapd isn't started at that point |
| 19:41.25 | bony | can claws be integrated to a database? |
| 19:41.36 | valdyn | bony: why would you need a database? |
| 19:41.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols_: I did what dpkg said, but it still starts GNOME rather than KDE :( |
| 19:41.51 | valdyn | bony: to increase resource usage? |
| 19:41.53 | jonaskoelker | ... should I go ask in #kde instead? Won't they just refer me back here? |
| 19:41.59 | bony | to store and retrieve my mails,attachments,addressbook etc etc |
| 19:42.03 | wols_ | Dark_Apostrophe: do you use a display manager? |
| 19:42.13 | littleboy | hmh ... gotta google some more then. don't want to mess something up, since the server is in production. |
| 19:42.15 | xand | jonaskoelker: #debian-kde? |
| 19:42.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols_: I only started startx now, since it's already booted |
| 19:42.31 | jonaskoelker | xand: thanks, I'll try that |
| 19:42.39 | valdyn | bony: no idea if there's a db backend but really, your slowness comes primarily from using evolution |
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| 19:42.58 | FuzzyB | How do i fix locale problems? |
| 19:43.06 | \amethyst | kingsley: /\csomething |
| 19:43.08 | \amethyst | doh |
| 19:43.12 | JordiGH | dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 19:43.14 | wols_ | FuzzyB: what problem? |
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| 19:43.28 | wols_ | Dark_Apostrophe: check your ~ for any .x* file |
| 19:43.32 | FuzzyB | i built a xen guest, it's complaining about locale not being set every time i install something |
| 19:43.46 | wols_ | FuzzyB: as JordiGH said |
| 19:43.58 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 19:44.06 | FuzzyB | i'm not sure that worked, i'm pastebin'ing now |
| 19:44.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols_: Ok |
| 19:44.25 | bony | valdyn, ok can mutt or claws that is i think based on sylpheed can handle some 25,000+ mails in 700+MB? |
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| 19:44.31 | FuzzyB | oh ok it was because locales wasn't installed hrmmmm |
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| 19:45.15 | FuzzyB | ok sweet thanks guys and gals |
| 19:45.16 | valdyn | bony: yea, i have alot more than that |
| 19:45.22 | JordiGH | It wasn't? How? |
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| 19:45.32 | FuzzyB | i debootstraped a xen guest |
| 19:45.37 | FuzzyB | and i guess that doesn't install locales |
| 19:45.54 | stew | FuzzyB: no, it woldn't |
| 19:46.07 | FuzzyB | is there a reason? |
| 19:46.17 | valdyn | bony: mind, idont know claws, i only talked about sylpheed |
| 19:46.17 | bony | valdyn, i just surfed synaptic and i found a package called dbmail which is suppose to provide a collection of programs that allows email to be stored in and retrieved from a sql database. |
| 19:46.19 | FuzzyB | or is it just because it isn't required for a barebones? |
| 19:46.27 | bony | valdyn, just a sec |
| 19:46.28 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 19:46.36 | roxy_ | is there a way to run windows media player on an amd64 testing ? |
| 19:46.43 | valdyn | bony: i wouldnt expect speed improvmenets from that |
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| 19:47.11 | bony | valdyn, well even i don't know but claws is some how i think related to sylpheed |
| 19:47.13 | JordiGH | roxy_: Uh, maybe with Wine. But why would you want to? |
| 19:47.20 | valdyn | bony: yes |
| 19:47.32 | chops | roxy_: You can make a 32-bit chroot and run whatever 32-bit stuff you want to from within it |
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| 19:47.42 | chops | roxy_: So if you can make WMP run in wine, you'll be fine :-) |
| 19:47.54 | chops | roxy_: I'd recommend using xine/vlc/mplayer and w32codecs, though |
| 19:47.59 | valdyn | bony: these mailers all can generate a header cache on disk. That's their 'db' or 'index'. |
| 19:48.02 | tarzeau | there's no stats on the latest activity in BTS is there? |
| 19:48.08 | JordiGH | roxy_: Are you sure you wouldn't prefer to just get win64 codecs? |
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| 19:48.13 | roxy_ | JordiGH: I got a .msv file, a sony file for voice recorder. The only way to play it is throught a plugin for wmp. |
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| 19:48.22 | littleboy | tarzeau, it seems that I can't do it on remote/live system ... i need to unmount the partition that i plan to shrink. however i can't do that since that partition is / |
| 19:48.44 | JordiGH | roxy_: Oh, I guess you must have your reasons then. .msv? Never heard of it. |
| 19:48.44 | wols_ | littleboy:remount it read only |
| 19:48.47 | wols_ | that you can do |
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| 19:49.02 | degantyll | oh dear |
| 19:49.06 | degantyll | one doesn't buy Sony stuff |
| 19:49.09 | littleboy | wols_, will try. |
| 19:49.11 | roxy_ | JordiGH: only from sony, I asked google extensively but nothing |
| 19:49.25 | somian | Indeed, degantyll ... i belatedly and regrettably know that now |
| 19:49.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: Already did it |
| 19:49.36 | wols_ | roxy_: only way you can do this probably is via WINE. good luck |
| 19:49.39 | roxy_ | chops: I tried wine directly but wmp segfault constently. I'll try from chroot |
| 19:49.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: It still starts GNOME |
| 19:49.46 | roxy_ | wols_: thanks |
| 19:49.47 | bony | valdyn, ok i would like to know why is it that evolution is so slow? but i find evolution is nicely integrated into gnome. so i feel good using evolution (when it has less mails to handle) |
| 19:50.02 | degantyll | Sony violated the GPL, supports the DRM movement, uses non-standart stuff and their product quality has gone down. |
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| 19:50.17 | x_link | Hi |
| 19:50.17 | valdyn | bony: im not an evolution developer |
| 19:50.21 | JordiGH | degantyll: I'm kinda scared by Apple's buyout of CUPS. :-/ |
| 19:50.33 | x_link | Why doesn't sudo aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 work anymore? |
| 19:51.10 | x_link | I used that kernel for like 2 hours ago. |
| 19:51.10 | degantyll | JordiGH, they bought our printing system? I wasn't aware of that. |
| 19:51.10 | bony | valdyn, and one more doubt i had this doubt for a long time. why is mutt so hard to start with? i mean when ever i started to learn using mutt i end up no were. |
| 19:51.10 | x_link | I just re-installed and now I can't install it anymore. |
| 19:51.10 | bony | valdyn, ;-) ok |
| 19:51.16 | valdyn | bony: you're not using vi to edit files either, i guess |
| 19:51.17 | bony | valdyn, so what do you suggest? |
| 19:51.22 | JordiGH | degantyll: On today's slashdot. Probably because they were afraid of gplv3. |
| 19:51.24 | valdyn | bony: use sylpheed |
| 19:51.26 | littleboy | wols_, apparently not ... it says that / filesystem is busy when try to remount,ro |
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| 19:51.38 | valdyn | bony: i dont know 'claws', so i cant recommend it... |
| 19:51.46 | JordiGH | x_link: Are you using etch? |
| 19:51.53 | x_link | No, Testing. |
| 19:51.56 | degantyll | JordiGH, that sounds reasonable |
| 19:52.01 | JordiGH | x_link: That kernel version isn't in testing anymore. |
| 19:52.01 | x_link | JordiGH: I don't want to install 2.6.21-2-k7 |
| 19:52.11 | degantyll | JordiGH, but still, how do you buy an open source project? |
| 19:52.12 | x_link | Cause I can't install the nvidia driver with it. |
| 19:52.13 | Vassili | http://pastebin.com/m399b2795 |
| 19:52.19 | Vassili | What is wrong with this iproute2 script |
| 19:52.23 | Vassili | can someone check? |
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| 19:52.35 | bony | valdyn, so sylpheed stores all the mails in a single file right? |
| 19:52.38 | JordiGH | degantyll: They paid the lead developer to hand copyright over the Apple. Newer versions may have Apple's own license. :-/ |
| 19:52.44 | valdyn | bony: no idea |
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| 19:52.54 | freetos | how can i tell if my onboard soundcard does midi? |
| 19:52.56 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: note, it's x-session-manager not x-window-manager, otherwise check your .xsession etc. |
| 19:53.00 | bony | valdyn, ok |
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| 19:53.07 | bony | valdyn, i will check it ou |
| 19:53.08 | degantyll | JordiGH, shit, I really expect someone to make a fork asap |
| 19:53.08 | bony | out |
| 19:53.11 | JordiGH | freetos: Try installing timidity and freepats and see? |
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| 19:53.34 | wols_ | x_link: you can. just need to use module-assistant afaik |
| 19:53.54 | wols_ | degantyll: mysql AB is a company, owns mysql yet it'S still GPLed |
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| 19:53.59 | x_link | wols_: Sorry for talking about this all the time. |
| 19:54.07 | x_link | wols_: I know I'm a pain in the ass. But still =) |
| 19:54.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: Ah, ok |
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| 19:54.20 | freetos | JordiGH, there doesn't have to be a special midi connection on your soundcard to do midi, won't a standard 1/8 jack do midi also? |
| 19:54.29 | JordiGH | freetos: Uh, I don't know. |
| 19:54.34 | wols_ | degantyll: to get your code into CUPS you had to assign copyright to the company of the CUPS primary developer. and that company is now sold together with its assets (CUPS) |
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| 19:55.01 | kingsley | Is there an easy way to lower the threshold of kernel messages reported by the "dmesg" command, possibly by configuring syslog to log less important messages? |
| 19:55.10 | wols_ | freetos: no. MIDI is a digital protocol |
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| 19:55.34 | xand | kingsley: dmesg -n |
| 19:55.40 | degantyll | wols_, what I mean is, apple might have it's own agenda; and it's not very clearly stated why they bought it |
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| 19:55.56 | h3sp4wn | freetos: If you have a gameport then you can often use midi kit with any old soundcard |
| 19:55.58 | wols_ | degantyll: cause they depend on CUPS for OSX. and it was a bragain I guess |
| 19:56.20 | kingsley | xand: Thank you. |
| 19:56.23 | degantyll | well I just hope they don't make any dirty move |
| 19:56.41 | wols_ | it's apple. don't count on it |
| 19:56.48 | abrotman | kingsley: /etc/syslog.conf possibly |
| 19:56.59 | xand | hmm |
| 19:57.05 | xand | this SO better work. or else I cry. |
| 19:57.18 | degantyll | wols_, *sigh* |
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| 19:58.00 | freetos | h3sp4wn, thanks |
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| 19:59.07 | kingsley | xand: Do you happen to know whether it's possible to report the logging level currently used by dmesg? |
| 19:59.14 | some_dude | hey. I just did a clean install from a backport, it's working well, but it's not auto dhcping ? |
| 19:59.22 | some_dude | s/?/. |
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| 19:59.32 | xand | kingsley: I do not |
| 19:59.35 | JordiGH | !tell some_dude about interfaces |
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| 19:59.57 | JordiGH | some_dude: I take it that a manual call to dhclient works? |
| 20:00.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: It says: There is only 1 program which provides x-session-manager (/usr/bin/gnome-session). Nothing to configure. |
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| 20:00.40 | some_dude | yes |
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| 20:00.54 | JordiGH | some_dude: So configure your card according to what I told dpkg to tell you. |
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| 20:01.38 | some_dude | my interfaces has it set to auto |
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| 20:01.57 | alexIdoia | I have done a few script to automate some stuff. I wonder where to put them to keep an os tidy |
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| 20:02.40 | subx | alexIdoia: /etc/init.d ? |
| 20:02.41 | JordiGH | some_dude: Mine says: # The primary network interface |
| 20:02.41 | JordiGH | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 20:02.45 | JordiGH | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 20:02.48 | robin_sz | alexIdoia, are these to be used by you only? |
| 20:02.52 | alexIdoia | subx: there really ? |
| 20:02.58 | some_dude | it's auto eth0 |
| 20:03.02 | JordiGH | some_dude: I guess you were talking about the loopback interface. |
| 20:03.04 | robin_sz | subx, wrong wrong wrong |
| 20:03.22 | subx | ok sorry i thought that was ok |
| 20:03.26 | alexou_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:03.35 | robin_sz | alexIdoia, no, not init.d, that is ONLY for controlling system services |
| 20:03.40 | alexIdoia | robin_sz: not only by me no, but they don't need to start at boottime, I have them on keyboard shortcuts |
| 20:03.41 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: is ksmserver installed? |
| 20:03.51 | wols_ | alexou_: ati 9200 won't work with fglrx |
| 20:03.52 | alexIdoia | robin_sz: that is what I thought |
| 20:03.56 | alexIdoia | /usr/share ? |
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| 20:04.03 | |dennis| | Question: Got two servers, each with 1g nics, can i get 1g throughput by connecting them directly to one another? if yes how? Am using cat5e cable and presently getting only 10b-hd while connecting them directly to one and another. |
| 20:04.04 | robin_sz | alexIdoia, then put then in /usr/bin |
| 20:04.09 | urv | alexIdoia: did you got my message about setcd? |
| 20:04.10 | robin_sz | or wit |
| 20:04.13 | robin_sz | wait .. |
| 20:04.13 | wols_ | alexou_: you must use the "ati" open source driver |
| 20:04.18 | robin_sz | /usr/local/bin |
| 20:04.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: Let me check |
| 20:04.23 | alexIdoia | urv: yes thanks very much it did ! |
| 20:04.26 | subx | isnt bin for binary files? |
| 20:04.33 | urv | alexIdoia: ok cool |
| 20:04.40 | robin_sz | alexIdoia, /usr/local/bin is the correct place |
| 20:04.41 | alexIdoia | I use it with a python script to parse the ouput, really cool |
| 20:04.46 | wols_ | subx: bin is for executable prgrams |
| 20:04.49 | alexIdoia | robin_sz: ok |
| 20:04.50 | alexIdoia | thanks |
| 20:04.56 | robin_sz | subx, not only binaries, no |
| 20:04.57 | subx | ok |
| 20:05.06 | robin_sz | subx, executables |
| 20:05.08 | alexou_ | wols_, how to do TV-out with ati driver ? |
| 20:05.13 | robin_sz | that includes scripts |
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| 20:05.29 | wols_ | alexou_: GATOS perhaps, I dunno |
| 20:05.30 | alexIdoia | robin_sz: what difference between /usr/local/bin and /usr/bin ? |
| 20:05.56 | JordiGH | alexIdoia: dpkg will never install stuff under /usr/local. /usr/local is mostly for stuff you built and installed yourself with dpkg's help. |
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| 20:06.16 | robin_sz | alexIdoia, local is for system local binaries, ... rhings for use on this box or similar boxesm, not part of the generl linux distro |
| 20:06.32 | alexIdoia | ok thanks ! |
| 20:06.46 | robin_sz | alexIdoia, MOST IMPORTANTLY, usr/local/bin is not usally on roots $PATH |
| 20:06.47 | alexou_ | wols_, i try GATOS but the sreen of the TV is not centered and i can't deplace it |
| 20:06.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: No, it wasn't :D |
| 20:07.18 | JordiGH | alexIdoia: Er, withOUT dpkg's help. Sorry for the typo. |
| 20:07.33 | misnix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 20:08.04 | robin_sz | alexIdoia, if you want locally installed executables to be on roots path, put them in /usr/local/sbin |
| 20:08.07 | alexIdoia | JordiGH: I got it |
| 20:08.08 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.15 | stew | robin_sz: /usr/local/bin is usually on root's $PATH |
| 20:08.16 | alexIdoia | robin_sz: sur |
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| 20:08.36 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: that's weird because it's a dependancy of all kde metapackages iirc (/msg dpkg install kde) |
| 20:08.57 | robin_sz | stew, hmm .. OK, its on roots path, thats true |
| 20:09.10 | robin_sz | ok, /me is wrong |
| 20:09.17 | kingsley | Is there a quick and easy command line trick to cause the kernel to elicit a message for dmesg? |
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| 20:09.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: Ok |
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| 20:13.43 | bony | valdyn, can i know your system config on which u are running sylpheed? |
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| 20:17.20 | Phil4 | guys, why does `ps aux` sometimes not show the actual username of some users - rather the UID? |
| 20:17.36 | stew | Phil4: when the uid doesn't exist in /etc/passwd |
| 20:17.47 | Phil4 | it does though stew |
| 20:17.55 | Phil4 | techtouch:x:1017:1015:TechTouch:/home/techtouch:/bin/bash |
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| 20:18.07 | Phil4 | 1017 4806 0.0 0.5 5592 2948 ? S Jul01 0:19 /home/techtouch/Unreal3.2/src/ircd |
| 20:18.35 | Phil4 | it does it with a user on my home box too |
| 20:18.51 | JordiGH | Hey, what's the method to get nvidia working on testing? nvidia-kernel-source is only in unstable. |
| 20:19.07 | Phil4 | 1021 19567 0.0 0.2 2636 1280 ? S Jul02 1:12 ./psybnc |
| 20:19.22 | Phil4 | therock247uk:x:1021:1018::/home/therock247uk:/bin/bash |
| 20:19.49 | stew | Phil4: when you run "ps auxewww" what is in the USER variable for that process? |
| 20:20.01 | Nyle | whats a cli based cd playing tool that migh thave a little ncurses gui? |
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| 20:20.27 | JordiGH | !info tcd |
| 20:20.49 | dpkg | tcd: (Portable CD player with an ncurses interface), section sound, is extra. Version: 2.2.1+20040830 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 20:20.53 | Phil4 | where is that stew? :S |
| 20:21.01 | stew | Phil4: where is what? |
| 20:21.03 | Nyle | thanks |
| 20:21.04 | \amethyst | Phil4: Maybe they don't fit in the field |
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| 20:21.06 | Phil4 | the user var :S |
| 20:21.10 | Nyle | JordiGH: you da man |
| 20:21.18 | JordiGH | !tell Nyle about apt-cache search |
| 20:21.37 | Phil4 | that's possible \amethyst |
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| 20:22.04 | stew | Phil4: it should be listed after the commandline with the rest of the env vars. if its not there, look for LOGNAME |
| 20:22.40 | \amethyst | Phil4: does ps ax -o uname:20,pid show the whole user name? |
| 20:22.41 | Phil4 | ah |
| 20:22.42 | Phil4 | USER=techtouch |
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| 20:22.50 | Nyle | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 20:22.54 | mbor | hi, is it possible to get mod_security to work for apache-2.2? |
| 20:22.55 | Nyle | :( help |
| 20:22.57 | Phil4 | yes, \amethyst |
| 20:23.24 | \amethyst | Phil4: it's because the "u" format has an 8-character name field |
| 20:23.35 | Phil4 | ah |
| 20:23.40 | Phil4 | is there any way to expand that? |
| 20:23.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: It started KDM! :D Thanks :D |
| 20:24.03 | stew | \amethyst: nice catch |
| 20:24.33 | philippe__ | chi |
| 20:24.35 | philippe__ | hi |
| 20:24.46 | JordiGH | !greet M. philippe__ |
| 20:24.46 | dpkg | Welcome, M. philippe__ |
| 20:24.47 | \amethyst | Phil4: not that I know of, other than using -o or PS_FORMAT |
| 20:24.52 | Nyle | any help with my alsa problem |
| 20:24.59 | Nyle | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 20:25.09 | Nyle | I don't even know where to begin troubleshooting |
| 20:25.11 | \amethyst | Phil4: that is, I don't know of a way to change the format that ps u uses |
| 20:25.19 | philippe__ | does anyone know something about problem rebooting after a power failure ? |
| 20:25.22 | Phil4 | alright |
| 20:25.27 | Phil4 | thanks guys :) |
| 20:25.40 | philippe__ | on etch amd64 |
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| 20:25.54 | JordiGH | Nyle: Does other kind of sound work? |
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| 20:26.24 | philippe__ | all FS on ext3 |
| 20:26.34 | philippe__ | lilo boot |
| 20:26.47 | philippe__ | but fail ton mount / |
| 20:26.50 | Nyle | nope |
| 20:27.12 | philippe__ | drop me in busybox |
| 20:27.13 | keith4 | Nyle: alsaconf |
| 20:27.27 | Nyle | yeh just ran it |
| 20:27.33 | philippe__ | all LV are clean |
| 20:27.50 | Nyle | Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: (none loaded). |
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| 20:27.53 | philippe__ | but bont want to boot |
| 20:28.08 | edistar | hello! |
| 20:28.12 | Nyle | /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1253: No soundcards found... |
| 20:28.17 | Nyle | what the hell |
| 20:28.20 | Nyle | its an onboard sound chip |
| 20:28.20 | lontra | Nyle, is your audio card supported by alsa? is the module loaded? |
| 20:28.23 | keith4 | Nyle: does it show in lspci? |
| 20:28.32 | Nyle | yeh, this box has ran debian for years |
| 20:28.33 | Nyle | with sound |
| 20:28.45 | lontra | Nyle, is your card broken ;) ? |
| 20:28.51 | Nyle | its not a card |
| 20:28.54 | Nyle | AC97 |
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| 20:29.03 | edistar | Nyle: could just be a broken chip on the board |
| 20:29.06 | Nyle | 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 20:29.14 | Nyle | it also runs widows |
| 20:29.18 | Nyle | dualboot, sound is ok |
| 20:29.22 | xacier | hum, dude |
| 20:29.33 | xacier | how often does your system crash? |
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| 20:29.49 | Nyle | hardly ever |
| 20:29.54 | mbor | hi, is it possible to get mod_security to work for apache-2.2? I've tried some tuts out there, but I get some weird errors when trying to install the module |
| 20:29.56 | lontra | Nyle, is snd_had_intel loaded? |
| 20:29.57 | keith4 | can you load "snd_ac97_bus" ? |
| 20:30.01 | lontra | oops hda |
| 20:30.14 | keith4 | or "snd_intel8x0" ? |
| 20:30.33 | xand | hmm, when I boot my router from one CF card it comes up as hda, but when using a different one, it's hdb, even though they're on the same IDE channel... how does that work? |
| 20:30.50 | keith4 | that's odd |
| 20:30.57 | lontra | Nyle, why don't you paste your output from lsmod on pastebin? |
| 20:31.02 | keith4 | grub can override what the bios reports, iirc |
| 20:31.03 | Nyle | $>sudo /etc/init.d/alsa reload |
| 20:31.04 | Nyle | Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: (none loaded). |
| 20:31.04 | Nyle | Loading ALSA sound driver modules: (none to reload). |
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| 20:31.12 | Nyle | lontra: lsmod |grep snd retuns nada |
| 20:31.13 | xand | hm |
| 20:31.29 | xand | oh well nevermind |
| 20:31.30 | lontra | Nyle, modprobe snd_hda_intel? |
| 20:31.42 | Gm4n | what's the best way to set up some kind of auto-mount on a debian system? |
| 20:31.52 | keith4 | /etc/fstab ? |
| 20:31.55 | edistar | Gm4n: fstab? |
| 20:32.01 | xacier | nyle, do you leave your system on more than 24hr's? |
| 20:32.02 | stew | Gm4n: what do you mean by "auto-mount"? |
| 20:32.08 | lontra | Gm4n, what desktop? |
| 20:32.08 | Nyle | xacier: dude leave me the fuck alone |
| 20:32.13 | Nyle | goddamn |
| 20:32.23 | keith4 | something wrong with leaving a computer on? |
| 20:32.24 | Gm4n | keith4 and edistar, I'll take a look |
| 20:32.24 | Nyle | lontra: i probed it |
| 20:32.25 | xacier | ok,.... |
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| 20:32.44 | Gm4n | stew: I mean automatically mount /dev/md0 /mnt/backup |
| 20:32.45 | lontra | Nyle, does alsaconf show a card now? |
| 20:32.57 | Gm4n | lontra: whatever the default desktop that comes with etch is |
| 20:33.02 | stew | Gm4n: add it to fstab: man fstab |
| 20:33.08 | solitude- | etch comes with no default |
| 20:33.13 | Nyle | yes |
| 20:33.19 | solitude- | assuming youre sensible and use the netinstal |
| 20:33.24 | Nyle | intel8x0 I pick it, and it configures and closes alsaconf |
| 20:33.44 | keith4 | now 'lsmod | grep snd' should return lots of stuff |
| 20:33.46 | JordiGH | Eh? Etch has gnome by default. |
| 20:33.48 | lontra | Nyle, ok ... and can you set levels with alsamixer? |
| 20:33.50 | Gm4n | I did use the netinstall, but I didn't do very advanced configuration |
| 20:33.52 | lontra | JordiGH, no it doesn't |
| 20:33.57 | philippe__ | solitude-, hum... no defaults bug some bugs |
| 20:33.59 | philippe__ | :p |
| 20:34.03 | Gm4n | just checked "desktop" on the install list, and now I have gnome |
| 20:34.07 | stew | Gm4n: it doesn't matter. your answer is in fstab |
| 20:34.09 | bronze- | When "upgrading" from debian base to KDE desktop, will these packages be enough? "apt-get install xserver-xorg kde kdm" |
| 20:34.20 | Gm4n | stew: yep, I'm reading about it right now |
| 20:34.27 | JordiGH | lontra: The default desktop if you choose to install a desktop is gnome. Deal? |
| 20:34.32 | lontra | Nyle, did that fix your problem? |
| 20:34.41 | stew | bronze-: no, you want just 'xorg' and 'kde' |
| 20:34.43 | lontra | JordiGH, unless you use a kde cd or an xfce cd |
| 20:34.44 | Gm4n | will putting the device in fstab also make it show up in gnome? |
| 20:34.52 | Eulex | bronze-, right term would be 'installing kde'. |
| 20:34.55 | JordiGH | lontra: But that's not the default cd. |
| 20:35.02 | lontra | JordiGH, which one is the 'default' cd? |
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| 20:35.15 | bronze- | Eulex: I know, sorry :) |
| 20:35.16 | JordiGH | lontra: The one that doesn't say what desktop it'll install. |
| 20:35.59 | solitude- | you wantxorg amd xfce/icewm |
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| 20:36.11 | bronze- | stew: what's the difference? And I'm still keeping kdm right? |
| 20:36.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | What's the simplest, quickest way to send data over a LAN? |
| 20:36.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | That takes the least time to set up |
| 20:36.28 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: I'd say scp |
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| 20:36.51 | \amethyst | Dark_Apostrophe: assuming the machines have ssh servers |
| 20:37.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | They don't |
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| 20:37.33 | ricky | Rsync (over SSH) is nice as well, but it depends on your situation. |
| 20:38.01 | mbor | when I try to install libapache2-mod-security2 I get this: libapache2-mod-security2: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5-5) but 2.3.6.ds1-13 is to be installed. so how do I tackle shit? |
| 20:38.09 | mbor | this* |
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| 20:38.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | \amethyst, ricky: Anything else? |
| 20:38.15 | simon__ | hi |
| 20:38.17 | stew | bronze-: xserver-xorg is just the server itself, not enough to actually run it though, xorg includes xserver-xorg and all the other stuff needed to run it (like xbase-clients, xfonts-base, etc). the kde packages depends on kdm so there is no reason to specify kdm independently |
| 20:38.41 | Gm4n | how do I make a hard drive show up in gnome's "computer" view? |
| 20:38.44 | stew | mbor: you are trying to mix stable and testing which is neither supported nor recommended, you should stick with one or the other |
| 20:38.48 | JordiGH | Does kde depend on xorg? |
| 20:38.53 | bronze- | stew: ok, thanks. Can I pm with just a few questions? Won't take long... |
| 20:38.55 | stew | JordiGH: no |
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| 20:39.00 | stew | bronze-: no, ask here |
| 20:39.02 | mbor | stew: but the thing is that mod-security isn't supported at all in etch |
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| 20:39.11 | stew | mbor: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 20:39.20 | JordiGH | stew: That always confuses me a little. Does anyone still want to run KDE remotely? |
| 20:39.28 | axos88 | What CD burner could I use to write .uif image sto disc? |
| 20:39.34 | stew | JordiGH: maybe? |
| 20:39.45 | keith4 | what is a uif? |
| 20:39.49 | mbor | stew: will try, thx |
| 20:39.51 | keith4 | mbor: what does mod-security do? |
| 20:40.09 | simon__ | on a ssh session the output of e.g. ps is cut off at the end of the default terminal size. It doesn't matter how big my xterm is the output is cut off at the same line length. How can I change that? |
| 20:40.27 | bronze- | Ok, it's regarding the process of installing and using KDE. First, I install it with apt-get install xorg kde, then telinit 1 and telinit 2, then what? |
| 20:40.27 | zinx | axos88: pretty much any of them if you convert it to a more standard format |
| 20:40.35 | bronze- | stew: read what I just wrote.l |
| 20:40.45 | stew | simon__: add the w option or if you want even more, ww or www |
| 20:40.47 | mbor | keith4: it's like a firewall for in this case apache2 |
| 20:40.52 | axos88 | zinx: wow, that was helpful |
| 20:41.16 | stew | bronze-: you just run aptitude install xorg kde. no reason to swich runlevels |
| 20:41.27 | stew | bronze-: or just run '/etc/init.d/kdm start' |
| 20:41.48 | keith4 | axos88: that's some weird compressed image |
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| 20:41.54 | keith4 | looks like you need magicISO |
| 20:42.13 | axos88 | Dunno, I just downloaded Windows XP :P (erm... lost my orig. CD:P) |
| 20:42.33 | keith4 | http://www.magiciso.com/ |
| 20:42.48 | stew | axos88: get a replacement from microsift instead |
| 20:42.54 | keith4 | axos88: http://www.magiciso.com/tutorials/miso-decompressuif.htm |
| 20:43.01 | mbor | stew: so mod_security for apache2 is backported? do you have a reference link? |
| 20:43.16 | axos88 | keith4: hmm... is this working under linux? |
| 20:43.26 | keith4 | not f'ing likely |
| 20:43.29 | stew | mbor: i don't know. if it was, it would be on backports.org |
| 20:43.37 | stew | mbor: if not: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 20:43.44 | JordiGH | keith4: Let me fix your typo: "fucking". |
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| 20:44.17 | bronze- | stew: I was planning on using telinit to catch all the initialization. Won't that be necessary with aptitude? |
| 20:44.18 | mbor | stew: I don't think it has |
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| 20:44.36 | stew | bronze-: you can just /etc/init.d/kdm start |
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| 20:45.54 | JordiGH | Is there a way to abort a debconf dialogue? |
| 20:45.59 | JordiGH | ctrl-c won't stop it. |
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| 20:46.08 | JordiGH | From ncurses interface. |
| 20:46.40 | bronze- | stew: So how will the command look like? I can't just type /etc/init.d/kdm start can I? |
| 20:46.42 | keith4 | switch to another term and kill it? |
| 20:46.51 | keith4 | bronze-: yes |
| 20:46.51 | stew | bronze-: "/etc/init.d/kdm start" |
| 20:47.12 | mbor | stew: it isn't there as a source for sid either. hmm |
| 20:47.13 | bronze- | huh, will kdm then start by default everytime I boot? |
| 20:47.33 | keith4 | kdm installs itself to start at boot |
| 20:47.37 | keith4 | as does xdm, gdm, etc |
| 20:47.55 | bronze- | kk, thank you so much stew and keith4. |
| 20:48.03 | Szeraax | ok, so why won't my ati driver go to 1600x1200? i have been able to get this monitor up to 2048x1536 in windows with same video card. |
| 20:48.35 | bronze- | I'm going to try as soon as the download is finished. I'll probably scew something up, though. |
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| 20:48.44 | stew | mbor: where did you install it from then? |
| 20:48.52 | keith4 | Szeraax: ati + linux = :-( |
| 20:48.56 | mbor | stew: deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main |
| 20:48.59 | Szeraax | i've got a radeon9200 se, the card is supposed to be supported |
| 20:49.06 | Szeraax | its been supported for a while |
| 20:49.16 | bronze- | Oh wait, one more question... What's the difference between debian cd and dvd images? |
| 20:49.22 | stew | mbor: no, where did you get the version that made your apt complain about libc6? |
| 20:49.29 | keith4 | what makes you say the driver "won't go to 1600x1200"? |
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| 20:49.39 | Szeraax | on my last insatll of linux, i tried doing it ati's way (fglrx) and i was told that my 9200 was supported by linux |
| 20:49.49 | somian | Tried manually editing Xorg.conf, Szeraax ? |
| 20:49.53 | mbor | stew: oh, I followed some tut. deb http://etc.inittab.org/~agi/debian/libapache-mod-security2/ |
| 20:50.11 | Szeraax | in my xorg.conf file, i have modes "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "... it does 1280x1024 |
| 20:50.16 | keith4 | Szeraax: you ran ati's binary installer? |
| 20:50.28 | keith4 | does module-assistant work for installing fglrx too? |
| 20:50.33 | mbor | stew: the main developer's repository |
| 20:50.46 | Szeraax | keith4: i didnt do atis fglrx on this install of linux, no |
| 20:50.56 | keith4 | what did you do? |
| 20:50.57 | stew | mbor: you would have to backport it from his repository not debian's then |
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| 20:51.27 | Szeraax | somian: yes, i manually edited xorg.conf, when it did the autoconfig\generateing of my xorg.conf, it put my highest mode as 1280x1024 |
| 20:51.51 | mbor | stew: okay. so how do I do this? your dpkg bot doesn't seem to give me any information of how to do this |
| 20:51.52 | Szeraax | i am using the ati driver, as supplied by my etch cd |
| 20:52.03 | bronze- | stew: Do I need 3 DVDs to install Debian? |
| 20:52.14 | JordiGH | bronze-: Only if you want all of it. |
| 20:52.18 | keith4 | Szeraax: that's not going to be useful to you |
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| 20:52.51 | keith4 | the 'ati' driver is the open source (reverse engineered) driver, very limited |
| 20:52.57 | keith4 | no 3D, iirc |
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| 20:53.04 | \amethyst | !simple sid backport |
| 20:53.04 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
| 20:53.07 | \amethyst | mbor: ^^ |
| 20:53.08 | bronze- | JordiGH: What I want is the base package, without Xorg or gnome. How can I download only that part? |
| 20:53.21 | JordiGH | bronze-: Download the first cd. |
| 20:53.30 | JordiGH | bronze-: Not the first dvd. |
| 20:53.37 | keith4 | or use netinstall |
| 20:53.43 | mbor | \amethyst: ok, thx. think I understand it now :) |
| 20:53.43 | \amethyst | mbor: Except, instead of adding a deb-src line for sid, you'll add a deb-src line for that repository |
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| 20:54.01 | bronze- | JordiGH: but there's like 20 cd images. Why are there so many? |
| 20:54.01 | mbor | \amethyst: what should the dist definition be then? |
| 20:54.09 | pbn | Hello, what exactly is the difference between having "nv" and having "nvidia" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
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| 20:54.23 | Szeraax | bronze-: bc there are a ton of packages in them all |
| 20:54.25 | keith4 | pbn: one is free, one is not |
| 20:54.27 | JordiGH | bronze-: Because Debian is the largest binary distribution that exists. You only need the first one for a base install, though. |
| 20:54.39 | pbn | keith4: ah :) |
| 20:54.43 | keith4 | pbn: one is open, one is a binary lump from nvidia |
| 20:54.43 | pbn | keith4: and apart from that ?? |
| 20:54.55 | lontra | bronze-, if you have a fast network connection you should download the netinstall cd ... it'll be the best for what you want |
| 20:54.57 | keith4 | pbn: one is very limited, the other supports 3d acceleration |
| 20:55.09 | JordiGH | bronze-: They're sorted by popularity. If you don't need a menstruation calendar or software to remind you at what times you need to pray facing Mecca, you probably don't need CDs 15-20. |
| 20:55.21 | \amethyst | pbn: nv is free software, nvidia is not. nvidia supports 3d acceleration, nv does not |
| 20:55.27 | mbor | \amethyst: should it be sid as well? |
| 20:55.48 | JordiGH | \amethyst: How's nouveau coming along? |
| 20:55.53 | stew | bronze-: all of those cd's only exist for people that will be installing to machines that cannot get on the internet. if you can get onto the internet with a stock debian kernel, then you only need the first cd, or a ~150mb netinst cd |
| 20:55.56 | pbn | keith4: well with the nvidia one, just after logging in and launching firefox, Xorg frees |
| 20:55.59 | pbn | freezes |
| 20:56.05 | pbn | I have to do kill -9 XOrg |
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| 20:56.11 | pbn | from another machine |
| 20:56.12 | keith4 | that's not good |
| 20:56.14 | pbn | and log back again |
| 20:56.21 | \amethyst | mbor: Ignore all mention of sid in that factoid... the deb-src line should look just like the deb line, except for the "-src" |
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| 20:56.30 | pbn | I furst though it was a hard disk issue, but now... |
| 20:56.42 | pbn | I've witched from nvidia to nv, no more problem |
| 20:56.47 | JordiGH | !info minbar |
| 20:56.48 | pbn | it's a weird issue |
| 20:56.50 | dpkg | minbar: (GNOME Islamic prayer times application), section misc, is extra. Version: 0.1-9 (sid), Packaged size: 1181 kB, Installed size: 1337 kB |
| 20:56.54 | JordiGH | The things you find in the archives... |
| 20:57.17 | stew | mbor: that site has etch packages, so there is no need to compile/backport anything |
| 20:57.19 | JordiGH | I'm troubled that its installed size is l33t. |
| 20:57.27 | keith4 | heh |
| 20:57.35 | pbn | basically XOrg freezes... you can still move the mouse but clicking does not operate. And the keyboard does not operate either, not even ctrl alt backspace |
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| 20:57.50 | pbn | the solution is kill Xorg |
| 20:57.54 | pbn | and log back again |
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| 20:57.59 | pbn | until it stops freezing |
| 20:58.08 | keith4 | anything interesting in xorg log? |
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| 20:58.10 | JordiGH | Thankfully, we also have |
| 20:58.14 | JordiGH | !bible-kjv |
| 20:58.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bible-kjv is the King James Version of the Bible: user interface program. |
| 20:58.25 | JordiGH | !info bible-kjv |
| 20:58.27 | dpkg | bible-kjv: (King James Version of the Bible: user interface program.), section doc, is optional. Version: 4.20 (sid), Packaged size: 109 kB, Installed size: 276 kB |
| 20:58.27 | mbor | stew: ehm. I'm confused now. what do I do then? earlier, when I used that mirror and specified etch I got that libc6 complain |
| 20:58.41 | JordiGH | What happened to the Christian fork of Debian? |
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| 20:59.04 | pbn | keith4: ah, good idea :) |
| 20:59.20 | somian | JordiGH: the one fit through the eye of a needle? |
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| 20:59.32 | |dennis| | Question: just installed etch and all is good, i am planning on having 8 different subnets starting from 10.1, 10.2, 10.3 and so on so forth, total have 10 network interfaces on system, 2 four port and one onboard and one pci card, I want 10.0 to be on eth0, 10.1 to be on eth1, how do i change eth0 to refer to the actual hardware interface that i want to be ? 1 port is a 1000B-FD connection and presently that is eth0, want to change that... |
| 20:59.51 | stew | mbor: nm, his repository is broken |
| 21:00.11 | mbor | stew: shyte :P so I have no options? |
| 21:00.21 | stew | mbor: you could try compiling his sources |
| 21:00.47 | stew | mbor: but yes, i see that his etch packages depend on libraries from testing, so its not something you did wrong, its something he did wrong |
| 21:01.09 | mbor | stew: well, that's good to hear. maybe I should write to him |
| 21:01.18 | robin_sz | JordiGH, hopefully, someone nailed it to a cross and then entombed it |
| 21:02.08 | JordiGH | robin_sz: Did you see the Ubuntu Satanic edition? http://ubuntusatanic.org |
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| 21:02.13 | pbn | keith4: nothing relevant to me, but I'm not really a wizard of xfree log files... |
| 21:02.19 | stew | and i can see now why this is not in debian, it would be illegal for debian to distribute this |
| 21:02.36 | mbor | stew: how come? |
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| 21:02.57 | stew | mbor: its gpl, and it is built against apache which is not gpl compatible |
| 21:03.35 | mbor | stew: stupid situation since A LOT of people use mod_security |
| 21:04.46 | stew | mbor: well then the author should consider relicensing it under a license that would allow it to be built with apache, seeing as this is a module for apache, i'd say its rather silly of him to not allow it to be built against apache |
| 21:05.28 | mbor | stew: yes, doesn't make any sense what so ever |
| 21:05.42 | mbor | stew: why make a module for something you don't allow anyway? heh |
| 21:05.44 | JordiGH | What part of Apache isn't GPL compatible? |
| 21:05.59 | JordiGH | I mean, of the license. |
| 21:06.02 | pbn | so basically, the only thing that nvidia does is 3d acceleration. Since I never run games, it won't be a problem right ? |
| 21:06.15 | JordiGH | pbn: nv is also a little slower for 2d stuff. :-/ |
| 21:06.20 | buu | So, yeah, I just did an upgrade, then a dist-upgrade, and now I'm getting" /usr/sbin/apache: relocation error: /lib/libresolv.so.2: symbol __res_iclose, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 21:06.30 | JordiGH | pbn: But if it works fine for you without the eyecandy, then yes, just leave it as it is. |
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| 21:06.33 | pbn | JordiGH: well I haven't tnoticed that yet... wait let me play some dvd :) |
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| 21:06.45 | mbor | JordiGH: it isn't a part of apache per se. but the mod_security package for apache it apparently built against apache |
| 21:06.50 | JordiGH | pbn: You might notice choppy video playback. You might not. |
| 21:07.10 | JordiGH | mbor: Yes, I understand. I just want to know how the Apache license fails GPL compatibility. |
| 21:07.21 | JordiGH | mbor: I guess I can check in the FSF's site. |
| 21:07.33 | somian | Or #gnu ... |
| 21:07.37 | mbor | JordiGH: beats me. maybe stew knows |
| 21:08.10 | JordiGH | Hm, only Apache licence v1.1 is incompatible. V2 is compatible with GPLv3. |
| 21:08.19 | |dennis| | which is better using persistently-named network interfaces via udev or ifrename? |
| 21:08.27 | mbor | JordiGH: I have 2.2 |
| 21:08.58 | JordiGH | mbor: Uh, there's a 2.2 version of the *license*? |
| 21:09.02 | stew | JordiGH: both apache licenses are incompatible with gpl v2 |
| 21:09.22 | mbor | JordiGH: sorry. I thought you meant the version of apache :) |
| 21:09.28 | JordiGH | stew: So all mod_security person has to is do "GPLv2 or later". |
| 21:09.44 | stew | JordiGH: apache licenses contain some restriction that is not in the gpl, maybe a patent termination clause |
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| 21:09.49 | grendal_prime | whats a good command to locate the largest file on the system? |
| 21:10.12 | JordiGH | grendal_prime: Perl brewing in my mind... |
| 21:10.19 | philippe__ | Do you a chan or a forum to report about problem after a crash ? |
| 21:10.34 | stew | JordiGH: i don't know specifically about the gpl v3 compatibility of apache license |
| 21:10.47 | JordiGH | stew: FSF's site says it's good. |
| 21:10.49 | grendal_prime | some time about i had to do this and someone gave me a really quick and simple way of doing it...i cant remember what it was though |
| 21:10.56 | philippe__ | Do you know |
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| 21:11.20 | JordiGH | philippe__: We're it. Just ask. |
| 21:11.39 | philippe__ | JordiGH, cool |
| 21:11.41 | grendal_prime | # du -a /var | sort -n -r | head -n 10 |
| 21:11.45 | grendal_prime | i think that works |
| 21:12.30 | philippe__ | This morning I had a power failure on a server (dell 2950) with SAS raid1 installed with etch amd64 |
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| 21:12.53 | JordiGH | sort. I keep forgetting sort. |
| 21:13.19 | pb_werkin | du -a -b -S might be better, keep it from giving totals on subdirectories. |
| 21:13.38 | philippe__ | when I reboot it lilo was ok but it fail when doing /script/bottom-init |
| 21:13.40 | JordiGH | The GNU is a series of tubes. |
| 21:13.52 | philippe__ | and drop me in busybox |
| 21:14.19 | lymeca | Why do MPEG-4 ASP format video files have a FourCC of the encoder (XviD, DX50, DIV3, etc.) but MPEG-4 AVC format video files have a FourCC of the format itself (H264) instead of the encoder (x264)? |
| 21:14.32 | x_link | wols_: Hi again, now I have tried ALOT of stuff. |
| 21:14.42 | x_link | Now I'm running 2.6.21-2-k7, but not with the nvidia drive.r |
| 21:14.50 | x_link | JordiGH has helped me alot. |
| 21:14.58 | x_link | But still we didn't manage to install the driver. |
| 21:14.58 | philippe__ | I do a fsck of all filesystem |
| 21:15.03 | x_link | I use 2.6.21-2-k7 now. |
| 21:15.06 | philippe__ | all was clean |
| 21:15.15 | philippe__ | but still don't booot |
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| 21:15.44 | x_link | Can somebody PLEASE help me with installing the nvidia driver on 2.6.21-2-k7? |
| 21:15.46 | wfq | hi |
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| 21:16.05 | psusi | can anyone tell me how to DISABLE the sslcertck option in fetchmail? |
| 21:16.07 | philippe__ | I would like to understand why It failed to boot |
| 21:16.27 | philippe__ | I have never see that since I use ext3 |
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| 21:16.54 | lontra | !nvidia one-liner |
| 21:16.54 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 21:17.14 | buu | So, nobody else has seen this apache error? |
| 21:17.21 | wfq | suddenly I have left hearing music on my laptop so have tried to play any wav file by using aplay and I can't hear neither. In the syslog and dmesg i can't find any error |
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| 21:17.29 | x_link | lontra: I have done all that with JordiGH |
| 21:17.33 | x_link | But it doesn't work. |
| 21:17.37 | StarkD | what is the "missfont.log" i the home folder used for? |
| 21:17.38 | lontra | x_link, etch? |
| 21:17.46 | n0mad | how do i get bitstream vera sans xfonts with a pixelsize other than 17 in debian ? mkfontscale produced only these out of the ttf-bitstream-vera directory. |
| 21:17.54 | x_link | lontra: Testing. |
| 21:18.01 | wfq | does anyone have any idea what I should take a look to know what is going on? |
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| 21:18.13 | lontra | x_link, have you looked at the nvidia_post_etch factoid? |
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| 21:18.24 | x_link | I don |
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| 21:18.34 | x_link | lontra: I don't know, we did ALOT of stuff. |
| 21:18.42 | lontra | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 21:18.42 | dpkg | well, nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:18.46 | buu | Ah, that fixed it. |
| 21:19.04 | lontra | x_link, copy and paste that in to a terminal and see if that works |
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| 21:19.21 | x_link | lontra: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29713/ |
| 21:19.27 | x_link | lontra: I have done that. |
| 21:19.37 | lontra | x_link, are you on ubuntu? |
| 21:19.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: latest bts activity: http://asdfasdf.debian.net/~tar/bts/ |
| 21:20.10 | x_link | lontra: No |
| 21:20.11 | lontra | x_link, why sudo aptitude -y befoer update-pciids? |
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| 21:20.45 | x_link | sudo aptitude -y install |
| 21:20.47 | wimpies | anybody around that can help me with a stuck upgrade ? |
| 21:20.51 | x_link | so it will say yes to all questions. |
| 21:21.00 | lontra | x_link, ah |
| 21:21.15 | x_link | lontra: =) |
| 21:21.21 | stew | x_link: -y is dangerous |
| 21:21.21 | lontra | x_link, and is your nvidia driver installed now? |
| 21:21.30 | x_link | stew: Okej, will stop doing that. |
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| 21:21.51 | x_link | module-assistant, interatice mode |
| 21:21.57 | chops | !tell wimpies about anyone |
| 21:21.58 | x_link | Build of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed! How do │ you wish to proceed? |
| 21:22.01 | x_link | I get that message |
| 21:22.10 | x_link | lontra: When I do the command I just posted for you. |
| 21:22.15 | x_link | That long command. |
| 21:22.23 | wimpies | i ran a dist-upgrade one 2.4 kernel and now some package does not want to install because it needs a 2.6 kernel |
| 21:22.26 | lontra | x_link, that's all the output? no reason why it failed? |
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| 21:22.41 | wimpies | but when I try to apt-get install a 2.6 kernel the 'stuck' packages block the install |
| 21:23.04 | wimpies | So I need a way to 'undo' the install of the packages that want to install and first do an 2.6 upgrade |
| 21:23.13 | pickcoder | wimpies: what kernel image package are you trying to install |
| 21:23.19 | x_link | lontra: Under that message it says |
| 21:23.28 | x_link | VIEW Examine the build log file |
| 21:23.33 | wimpies | linux-image-2.6.18-4-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12_i386.deb |
| 21:23.36 | x_link | CONTINUe Skip and continue with the next operation |
| 21:23.43 | x_link | STOP Stop processing the build commands |
| 21:23.47 | x_link | OK/Cancel. |
| 21:23.52 | pickcoder | wimpies: I meant what apt package name are you using with apt-get install |
| 21:24.07 | wimpies | linux-image-2.6-486 |
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| 21:24.26 | stew | wimpies: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:24.35 | x_link | lontra: I really don't understand how to do this. |
| 21:24.58 | x_link | lontra: It's messing up my head. Been working on it for almost 2 days now. NEVER had this kind of problem with installing a damn nvidia driver. |
| 21:25.01 | pickcoder | wimpies: the .deb you stated and the apt package name don't match. Are you doing things manually with dpkg? |
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| 21:25.20 | x_link | Worked just great on my other kernel, 2.6.18-4-k7. But with this 2.6.21-2-k7 it has been a pain in the ass. |
| 21:25.42 | lontra | x_link, admittedly i'm not familiar with nvidia installations. i can't imagine that someone can't help you ... if it works with the 2.6.18 kernel why not run that one instead? |
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| 21:25.58 | mrsno__ | x_link sorry to butt in, but what does the /var/log/nvidia-installer say |
| 21:25.59 | wimpies | http://pastebin.ca/616808 |
| 21:26.05 | mrsno__ | most likely a para_virt ops error ? |
| 21:26.19 | wimpies | pickcoder I will pastbin the entire command process |
| 21:26.23 | x_link | mrsno__: I don't know, have't looked. |
| 21:26.24 | pickcoder | wimpies: linux-image is a sarge package |
| 21:26.30 | stew | wimpies: show us the output of " apt-cache policy " |
| 21:26.31 | x_link | mrsno__: But I don't have nvidia installed. |
| 21:26.32 | pickcoder | kernel-image is an Etch package |
| 21:26.41 | stew | pickcoder: you got it backwards |
| 21:26.41 | chops | pickcoder: Other way around |
| 21:26.50 | x_link | lontra: Cause I can't install linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 on Testing anymore. |
| 21:26.52 | pickcoder | um |
| 21:26.54 | pickcoder | no |
| 21:26.57 | x_link | I tried with that but it doesn't work. |
| 21:26.59 | stew | pickcoder: yes |
| 21:27.03 | pickcoder | linux-image was on Sarge |
| 21:27.07 | chops | pickcoder: I'll bet you a beer |
| 21:27.08 | stew | pickcoder: no, it wasn't |
| 21:27.10 | lontra | x_link, it should already be installed on your computer ... unless you removed it |
| 21:27.11 | chops | !info linux-image-2.6 |
| 21:27.12 | mrsno__ | x_link the reason i mention, is i was using the nvidia.com installer and it would not build anything because of the 2.6.20+ para virt kernel option |
| 21:27.15 | pickcoder | I'm looking at apt-cache search right now on Etch |
| 21:27.22 | wimpies | http://pastebin.ca/616812 |
| 21:27.28 | x_link | mrsno__: OKej. |
| 21:27.34 | mrsno__ | 2.6.18 worked, but in the end i used a modified script to start the installer + bypass the error |
| 21:27.39 | x_link | lontra: Well maybe it's installed then, cause I haven't removed anything. |
| 21:27.46 | mrsno__ | as there are no nvidia-glx packages yet, i haven't tried buidling from nvidia-source files though |
| 21:27.50 | x_link | mrsno__: Okej. |
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| 21:28.08 | lontra | x_link, you should be able to select it from grub |
| 21:28.26 | pickcoder | wtf |
| 21:28.40 | pickcoder | oh |
| 21:28.43 | pickcoder | it's been mirrored |
| 21:28.48 | pickcoder | you're right |
| 21:28.53 | stew | wimpies: so the problem is that 2.6.18-4 needs to be reinstalled, but you no longer have it, you should download it from http://packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 ; and reinstall that deb, then proceed |
| 21:29.12 | stew | pickcoder: you might be looking at a transitional package there to smoth upgrades from sarge |
| 21:29.14 | x_link | mrsno__: When I used 2.6.18-4-k7 I just had to do this command to get ALL the nvidia packages |
| 21:29.18 | x_link | mrsno__: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29716/ |
| 21:29.19 | pickcoder | stew: more than likely |
| 21:29.34 | x_link | mrsno__: Then I just had to download/install the driver from www.nvidia.com and install it, worked great. |
| 21:29.50 | x_link | lontra: No, cause I just re-installed. |
| 21:29.51 | mrsno__ | x_link on lenny/sid yes, but with 2.6.20+ (until 2.6.22 i believe) you will fail at building the driver for reasons i have mentioned |
| 21:30.03 | x_link | mrsno__: I know. |
| 21:30.17 | wimpies | stew pickcoder : i first tried a apt-get dist-upgrade which refused to install because I needed a 2.6 kernel running first |
| 21:30.24 | mrsno__ | x_link so i can see 2 possible options, stick to 2.6.18~ or have a look for the script that bypasses it, its a sh file that starts the normal nvidia.com installer |
| 21:30.29 | lontra | x_link, well you can always install the 2.6.18 kernel or cherry pick a newer kernel |
| 21:30.37 | mrsno__ | x_link please don't pm without asking |
| 21:30.44 | x_link | mrsno__: Sorry! |
| 21:30.55 | x_link | lontra: But I can't install 2.6.18-4-k7. |
| 21:30.59 | x_link | It's no in the repo. |
| 21:31.10 | wimpies | this http://pastebin.ca/616816 is the complete transcript *after* the apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:31.19 | chops | x_link: That version's not in sid or testing anymore IIRC |
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| 21:31.27 | lontra | x_link, well add an etch source and snag it or cherry pick it from packages.debian.org as stew suggested to wimpies above |
| 21:31.29 | x_link | chops: Yeah I know. |
| 21:31.57 | mrsno__ | x_link the obvious option i didn't mention would be recompiling a kernel, but using the script would probably be the easiest way |
| 21:31.58 | x_link | Add etch repo and download the kernel, then remove the repo? |
| 21:32.01 | lontra | x_link, sure |
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| 21:32.06 | x_link | lontra: hmm ok |
| 21:32.09 | taa | hi all |
| 21:32.14 | x_link | mrsno__: I don't know how to do this kind of scripts. |
| 21:32.18 | taa | i would like to get some help please |
| 21:32.19 | x_link | mrsno__: I'm a total newbie. |
| 21:32.21 | mrsno__ | x_link please see http://grizach.sc18.info/nvpatch/ |
| 21:32.25 | lontra | !ask |
| 21:32.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:32.26 | wimpies | testing and etch , are the close qua versions of packages ? |
| 21:32.32 | stew | wimpies: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 21:32.55 | bliss123 | hi |
| 21:32.58 | mrsno__ | x_link basically, instead of recompiling the kernel (as explained on the link) , you can alternatively just download .run file, which includes the 'script' i talk of and the nvidia.com driver |
| 21:33.04 | wimpies | stew : /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 is broken or not fully installed |
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| 21:33.12 | x_link | wimpies: Testing has newere packages then Etch. Etch will not get any new versions of anything, just security updates. |
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| 21:33.33 | stew | wimpies: try "dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.18-4-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12_i386.deb" again then |
| 21:33.38 | x_link | mrsno__: Okej, can I get the script from the link you just posted? |
| 21:34.09 | mrsno__ | if you scroll to the end of the page, yes x_link |
| 21:34.10 | lontra | x_link, don't forget to reboot into 2.6.18 after you install it before installing nvidia |
| 21:34.25 | mrsno__ | but please read the link to explain _why_ :] |
| 21:34.37 | wimpies | stew : does not work -> http://pastebin.ca/616827 |
| 21:34.48 | x_link | mrsno__: Okej, sorry. |
| 21:34.55 | x_link | lontra: Sure. |
| 21:35.12 | pickcoder | wimpies: what did you put in your sources.list? "etch" or "testing" |
| 21:35.48 | wimpies | testing but I can change to etch if you want |
| 21:36.09 | pickcoder | it's kinda late now, if you've already installed some packages with dist-upgrade |
| 21:36.54 | pickcoder | sarge to lenny is a huge jump |
| 21:36.56 | mrsno__ | x_link try that, if it fails to build then check the log file i mentioned and pastebin it for us |
| 21:37.13 | x_link | mrsno__: It's hard for me to understand everything on that site. |
| 21:37.24 | x_link | Have been sitting here for 6 hours now. |
| 21:37.30 | x_link | Might need a short break |
| 21:37.32 | goodshit | Anyone know of a third party mail services that I can pay for hardware wise, that will allow us to shoot email to them and have them delivery email into yahoo inbox and other major provider. I was looking at Goodmail.com that seem ok, but anyone know of any other popular company that does this? thanks.. |
| 21:37.40 | stew | wimpies: now run "dpkg --configure -a" |
| 21:38.27 | wimpies | stew : does not work -> http://pastebin.ca/616836 |
| 21:38.40 | pickcoder | stew: I think the only way to solve that install issue is to install the kernel dependencies first |
| 21:38.48 | mrsno__ | x_link the owner of the site explains it very well, and provides the script at the bottom drivers link, to do it all for you |
| 21:38.48 | bliss123 | I have just done the fist part of this cp instaruction what would the cp for the second part look like here is the instruction copy /boot/config-$(uname -r) to /usr/src/linux/.config and the symlink /usr/src/linux pointing to /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 21:38.48 | bliss123 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:38.50 | pickcoder | if the glibc version will allow it |
| 21:38.59 | lontra | goodshit, we talked about this earlier |
| 21:39.02 | mrsno__ | so can't be any eaiser really (until nvidia open their drivers) ;-) |
| 21:39.12 | goodshit | lontra, sorry i wasn't here |
| 21:39.20 | goodshit | lontra ay other company beside goodmail.com? |
| 21:39.24 | lontra | goodshit, you were the one who asked the question |
| 21:39.29 | stew | pickcoder: yes, i think you are correct |
| 21:39.46 | treKrem | i also tried to install nvidia-drivers |
| 21:39.50 | wimpies | stew : by hand you mean ? |
| 21:39.56 | stew | wimpies: you are going to have to get the kerel configured which is going to mean getting ETCH versions of all of the dependencies installed |
| 21:40.11 | stew | wimpies: or switch your sources back to etch, and use aptitude to help you |
| 21:40.16 | wimpies | dependencies of the kernel, right ? |
| 21:40.22 | wimpies | stew : the system has no GUI |
| 21:40.51 | goodshit | lontra. know any company? |
| 21:40.58 | treKrem | using module-assistant, but it fails on compile saying that nvidia driver is not allowed to access GPL-only symbol |
| 21:41.06 | pickcoder | aptitude isn't GUI |
| 21:41.21 | pickcoder | !aptitude |
| 21:41.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 21:41.22 | bliss123 | astro76; any ideas? |
| 21:41.34 | treKrem | does it make any sense to get a newer kernel from unstable? |
| 21:41.47 | nigglet | works real well in scripts |
| 21:41.58 | pickcoder | the last time I had a kernel depends problem like that the glibc version created a catch 22 situation |
| 21:42.06 | pickcoder | I ended up wiping the box |
| 21:42.07 | lontra | pickcoder, aptitude is a gui if you run just aptitude |
| 21:42.08 | pickcoder | :/ |
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| 21:42.12 | soroush | Hi |
| 21:42.14 | lontra | pickcoder, it's ncurses |
| 21:42.18 | soroush | Im trying to burn a .iso |
| 21:42.20 | soroush | but it wont let me :( |
| 21:42.22 | bliss123 | astro76: any ideas? |
| 21:42.31 | pickcoder | lontra: does ncurses support mouse? |
| 21:42.32 | stew | wimpies: you don't need a gui |
| 21:42.35 | stew | pickcoder: yes |
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| 21:42.55 | pickcoder | hrm.. I guess you _could_ call it GUI, even tho there are no "graphics" |
| 21:43.13 | stew | pickcoder: sure there is, its even got minesweeper embeded |
| 21:43.25 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 21:44.04 | soroush | how do i burn a .iso in debian? |
| 21:44.09 | stew | pickcoder: but as far as i'm concerned, its graphical, at least until the buid an olifactory or tactile interface |
| 21:44.36 | beatnik | !burn iso |
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| 21:46.14 | esters | Hello, is there a command of outputing my HDD's model number ? |
| 21:47.08 | valdyn | esters: hdparm |
| 21:47.49 | Cromag | soroush: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/otherosfs/burn might help |
| 21:47.55 | esters | valdyn , hdparm -i would do it ? |
| 21:48.35 | Nyle | that reminds me |
| 21:48.42 | Nyle | I had this friend in highschool |
| 21:48.45 | bronze- | So I'm downloading debian cd1, which is said to contain the base installation of debian. Will it be hard to install? I'm planning on using my old home partition, with a new debian system partition. |
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| 21:49.12 | Nyle | his name was Terry Estes. His schoolassigned email was testes@jjhs.edu |
| 21:49.14 | Nyle | :D |
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| 21:49.18 | estel | hi - how does debian figures out which modules to put into a initrd? |
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| 21:51.14 | valdyn | estel: it doesnt, it just puts all that could be needed |
| 21:51.43 | wols_ | x_link: since we don't know what you tried, this statement is meaningless |
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| 21:51.52 | estel | how does it figure out which could be needed - does the init script on the initrd loads every harddisk-driver the linux kernel has? |
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| 21:52.20 | bpun | hi |
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| 21:53.10 | phix | sup |
| 21:53.20 | phix | row: be where? |
| 21:53.22 | abrotman | !tell bronze- about ig |
| 21:53.38 | pickcoder | estel: /etc/initramfs-tools/ |
| 21:53.55 | valdyn | estel: its simple, those things are grouped in directories |
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| 21:54.08 | valdyn | estel: but ... feel free to the the documentation |
| 21:54.31 | valdyn | estel: but ... feel free to read the documentation |
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| 21:55.03 | estel | valdyn: the problem so far was to find the right documentation - thank you :) |
| 21:55.08 | nigglet | anyone know if its worth installing vmware to get activeX and directX to work |
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| 21:55.23 | valdyn | nigglet: no |
| 21:55.42 | nigglet | valdyn : how would u do it |
| 21:55.49 | bpun | anyone knows where i can get a ribbon for laptop network cards? |
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| 21:56.13 | valdyn | nigglet: i woulod run directx games on windows natively, or use wine |
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| 21:56.32 | valdyn | !ie4linux |
| 21:56.43 | nigglet | yea wine never works for me but i need activeX to run natively with ie |
| 21:57.11 | soroush | Can someone please explain to me how to burn .iso images please? |
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| 21:57.27 | soroush | or how i can write data on DVD? |
| 21:57.30 | soroush | cos it doesnt even work |
| 21:57.36 | soroush | it says written data compltede blah blah |
| 21:57.40 | soroush | but the DVD is still blank! |
| 21:57.41 | soroush | wtf? |
| 21:58.04 | beatnik | can i move all my debian system to another hdd? |
| 21:58.16 | xand | soroush: wodim dev=/dev/dvdrw somefile.iso |
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| 21:59.36 | bronze- | abrotman: Ok, I've read it - but I want your experiences. What do _you_ think? |
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| 22:00.01 | soroush | xand |
| 22:00.03 | soroush | that does not work |
| 22:00.13 | soroush | any other ways i can burn any type of data on DVD? |
| 22:00.17 | pickcoder | soroush: then the iso may be corrupted |
| 22:00.17 | soroush | its 2.8GB |
| 22:00.36 | soroush | soroush@securicore:~/Desktop$ wodim dev=/dev/dvdrw vista.iso |
| 22:00.36 | soroush | wodim: No write mode specified. |
| 22:00.36 | soroush | wodim: Asuming -tao mode. |
| 22:00.36 | soroush | wodim: Future versions of wodim may have different drive dependent defaults. |
| 22:00.36 | soroush | wodim: No such file or directory. |
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| 22:01.03 | pickcoder | aren't ISO's disc-at-once? |
| 22:01.06 | Supaplex | bronze-: it's pretty easy to work with the installer. what you've requested can be accomplished |
| 22:01.18 | soroush | http://pastebin.com/m5cf880c2 |
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| 22:01.27 | soroush | thats the error i get: http://pastebin.com/m5cf880c2 |
| 22:01.35 | valdyn | pickcoder: one iso is one track |
| 22:01.36 | soroush | anyone help me please its very important data |
| 22:01.43 | soroush | need it for my other laptop :( |
| 22:01.45 | beatnik | can i move all my debian system to another hdd? |
| 22:01.50 | pickcoder | valdyn: oh |
| 22:02.08 | Supaplex | soroush: run wodim --devices |
| 22:02.16 | estel | beatnik: yes, but you have to adjust your bootloader and /etc/fstab |
| 22:02.17 | abrotman | bronze-: i've been installing debian since .. 1997 or 1998 .. it's easy for me ;) |
| 22:02.31 | Supaplex | soroush: patience :) |
| 22:02.32 | abrotman | god i'm old |
| 22:02.42 | pickcoder | beatnik: use a live CD to make the migration easier |
| 22:02.58 | soroush | Suaplex |
| 22:02.59 | soroush | done that |
| 22:03.14 | alexIdoia | how can I test if a cd is mounted ? |
| 22:03.22 | abrotman | cdinfo ? |
| 22:03.24 | Supaplex | soroush: what devices are listed? |
| 22:03.27 | nigglet | type mount |
| 22:03.39 | valdyn | alexIdoia: why would you need to do that? |
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| 22:03.55 | alexIdoia | to see if a cd is in the drive |
| 22:04.00 | valdyn | alexIdoia: or what are you really trying to accomplish |
| 22:04.04 | war | Restricted demo version of Pine. when I use pine I get this, what did I accidently hit to make this happen? |
| 22:04.18 | Supaplex | !start an mua war |
| 22:04.18 | dpkg | pine blows |
| 22:04.18 | valdyn | alexIdoia: ok - that's unrelated to mounting it |
| 22:04.19 | soroush | http://pastebin.com/m74341703 |
| 22:04.23 | soroush | Supaplex: http://pastebin.com/m74341703 |
| 22:04.26 | fr33d0m | hi folks, i have a strange problem: afer closing vim with :xa i get .swp files !! |
| 22:04.32 | urv | alexIdoia: setcd -i does the job |
| 22:04.37 | unlink | how do i show my packages sorted by installed size? |
| 22:04.46 | alexIdoia | urv: no actually |
| 22:05.06 | alexIdoia | when no cd is in the tray it returns the same as if the tray was open |
| 22:05.13 | soroush | Supaplex easier to just network 2 computers together and burn it on that? |
| 22:05.15 | abrotman | !sort by size |
| 22:05.16 | dpkg | i heard sort by size is perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %s\n", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available, or see man grep-dctrl (from dctrl-tools package) |
| 22:05.16 | Supaplex | soroush: pay attention. every charater counts. wodim --devices and only "wodim --devices" (no quotes) |
| 22:05.25 | urv | alexIdoia: actually for me not |
| 22:05.43 | alexIdoia | urv: well it depends on the device I suppose |
| 22:05.53 | urv | alexIdoia: yes i guess so |
| 22:05.58 | stew | unlink: install grep-dctrl ; man grep-dctrl, it is one of the examples in the manpage |
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| 22:06.20 | soroush | Supaplex : 0 dev='/dev/hdb' rwrw-- : 'SONY' 'DVD RW DW-U14A' |
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| 22:06.44 | axos88 | Hi all! I am trying to install Debian on an Intel Core 2 Duo machine, from a USB stick, can anyone please help me with these problems: |
| 22:06.54 | Supaplex | soroush: good. try again with dev='/dev/hdb' |
| 22:06.54 | axos88 | 1. I should be using the ia64 arhitecture right? |
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| 22:07.07 | chops | axos88: No, amd64 or i386 |
| 22:07.08 | stew | axos88: no, amd64 |
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| 22:07.15 | axos88 | uh ok... |
| 22:07.27 | axos88 | then my other questions are irrelevant :D |
| 22:07.34 | soroush | dev='/dev/hdb vista.iso ? |
| 22:07.36 | nigglet | ia is an intel chip |
| 22:07.42 | axos88 | amd for intel? |
| 22:07.46 | stew | axos88: yes |
| 22:07.49 | Supaplex | soroush: no |
| 22:08.18 | Supaplex | soroush: wodim dev=/dev/hdb your.iso |
| 22:08.54 | soroush | ok suaplex its writing now will let u know how it gets on! |
| 22:09.00 | valdyn | alexIdoia: !ia64 |
| 22:09.06 | valdyn | alexIdoia: ops |
| 22:09.13 | valdyn | !ia64 |
| 22:09.13 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 22:09.40 | soroush | Supaplex: Last chance to quit, starting real write 0 seconds. Operation starts. |
| 22:09.47 | soroush | and now the cursor is just flashing |
| 22:09.48 | soroush | :S |
| 22:09.50 | soroush | thats it... |
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| 22:10.00 | valdyn | soroush: thats fine |
| 22:10.06 | Supaplex | soroush: wait until it's done. it'll take time. |
| 22:10.08 | valdyn | soroush: use -v next time.. |
| 22:10.17 | Supaplex | soroush: is the drive light flashing/on ? |
| 22:10.23 | soroush | cmd finished after 0.007s timeout 40s |
| 22:10.23 | soroush | write track data: error after 4571136 bytes |
| 22:10.23 | soroush | wodim: A write error occured. |
| 22:10.36 | soroush | i cant see it as its got a cover on it |
| 22:10.40 | soroush | let me try a different disck! |
| 22:11.09 | Supaplex | try a rw if you have one. you can blank it if you have to learn something the hard way. :) |
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| 22:11.34 | soroush | ok i add the -v where? |
| 22:11.43 | soroush | wodim dev=/dev/hdb vista.iso |
| 22:11.43 | soroush | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.46 | axos88 | when I do the zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb, my device's capacity is reduced to 256 MB... It should be 512 MB... why? |
| 22:11.52 | soroush | wodim dev=/dev/hdb vista.iso -v ? |
| 22:12.04 | Supaplex | soroush: try it and see |
| 22:12.31 | jelly | axos88: how do you see it's reduced? |
| 22:12.35 | Supaplex | soroush: if not, put it before dev. wodim -v dev=/dev/hdb vista.iso |
| 22:12.39 | axos88 | df |
| 22:12.52 | soroush | well iv done it without the -v |
| 22:12.55 | soroush | big diff? |
| 22:12.58 | axos88 | 239 MB actually |
| 22:13.25 | axos88 | and the partition table is pretty fucked up |
| 22:13.30 | jelly | axos88: so, the filesystem uses only 240MB out of whatever the device capacity is |
| 22:14.07 | stew | axos88: it probably doesn't have a partition table at all |
| 22:14.09 | valdyn | axos88: if it was fucked up on the source for boot.img.gz, its fucked up now on sdb , as it s the same |
| 22:14.38 | alexIdoi1 | abrotman: cdinfo returns the same information where or not the tray is open or close so it won't do it, what I am looking for is to know if a cd is mounted or not |
| 22:14.39 | axos88 | valdyn: yeah i know that |
| 22:14.48 | axos88 | wait lemme post somewhere the outputs |
| 22:15.10 | valdyn | axos88: what IS the source? sda1? |
| 22:15.11 | Supaplex | alexIdoi1: cat /proc/mounts |
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| 22:15.36 | axos88 | /dev/sdb /media/Debian\040Inst vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0077,dmask=0077,codepage=cp437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,quiet 0 0 |
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| 22:16.01 | abrotman | alexIdoi1: ah ok |
| 22:16.09 | axos88 | http://www.pastebin.ca/616903 |
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| 22:16.58 | axos88 | is this O.K? this computer isn't 64bit, so I can't test if it will work on the other computer |
| 22:16.59 | stew | axos88: you took the image from a single filesystem and wrote it to then entire disk, so there is no partition table |
| 22:17.12 | stew | axos88: so its expected that fdisk wouldn't know what to make of it |
| 22:17.29 | axos88 | oh ... ok... |
| 22:17.53 | axos88 | so after I'm done installing, i should ... do what? to clean up my USB? |
| 22:18.00 | alexIdoi1 | Supaplex: I can't see where is my cd in there |
| 22:18.00 | axos88 | usb disk that is |
| 22:18.40 | Supaplex | alexIdoi1: it's your device. is it mounted? /proc/mounts only shows mounted filesystems (real and virtual) |
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| 22:19.20 | alexIdoi1 | Supaplex: well it is mounted but I can't tell which one is the cd |
| 22:19.45 | Supaplex | alexIdoi1: uhhh are any of them readonly? |
| 22:20.01 | alexIdoi1 | Supaplex: hehe that is what I am looking for |
| 22:20.04 | axos88 | uh whatever... I'll figure it out... Thanks for your help :) |
| 22:20.17 | axos88 | gonna get some sleep... 3h of sleep that is :| |
| 22:20.19 | bizinichi | don't know |
| 22:20.30 | alexIdoi1 | Supaplex: none |
| 22:20.30 | u19809 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:21.09 | soroush | Hi |
| 22:21.13 | soroush | i remmberd i had a dvd/rw problem |
| 22:21.15 | soroush | i changed it now |
| 22:21.16 | soroush | wodim dev=/dev/hdb vista.iso |
| 22:21.19 | soroush | that dont seem to work now :( |
| 22:21.33 | soroush | how do i know if its dtecting my dvd etc and if its dev=/dev |
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| 22:21.36 | soroush | what was the command again? |
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| 22:21.40 | soroush | wodim -- |
| 22:21.43 | soroush | something after the -- |
| 22:21.50 | Supaplex | -v ? |
| 22:21.54 | Supaplex | v = verbose |
| 22:21.55 | soroush | No |
| 22:21.57 | Supaplex | man wodim |
| 22:22.15 | Supaplex | alexIdoi1: if it's not mounted, see dmesg |
| 22:22.16 | stew | u19809: what command did you run? |
| 22:22.26 | soroush | Supaplex its not -v |
| 22:22.39 | soroush | its the command that you gave me which we found out it as dev=/dev/hdb |
| 22:22.40 | soroush | ... |
| 22:22.50 | soroush | the command which shows what the DVDRW is |
| 22:23.06 | u19809 | dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.18-4 |
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| 22:23.31 | stew | u19809: i dunno |
| 22:23.34 | Vanpriest | somone use cacti? |
| 22:23.48 | Supaplex | soroush: maybe you'll remember it better if you find it on your own. man wodim. |
| 22:24.00 | Supaplex | !tell Vanpriest -about ask |
| 22:24.03 | stew | Vanpriest: just assume someone does, and ask your actual question |
| 22:24.26 | Vanpriest | i am wondering how to add a new custom cacti graphic using mysql command.. |
| 22:24.52 | soroush | -immed? |
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| 22:24.53 | Vanpriest | i need like to amke a graphic of a counting an ammount of data in mysql.. |
| 22:25.18 | Supaplex | soroush: wodim --devices |
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| 22:26.32 | soroush | Thanks Supaplex |
| 22:26.53 | DavidProck1981 | does any one know if the W32Codecs package is able to play a .rmvb file |
| 22:27.30 | soroush | Supaplex Thank You! |
| 22:27.43 | Supaplex | np soroush |
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| 22:27.52 | Nyle | 1/2 hour left |
| 22:28.38 | Nyle | DavidProck1981: yes! |
| 22:28.47 | DavidProck1981 | ok, thanks |
| 22:28.53 | Nyle | w32codecs is the shizboo |
| 22:29.03 | Nyle | you can play any kind of porn with it you know |
| 22:29.09 | DavidProck1981 | heh |
| 22:29.13 | Nyle | :D |
| 22:29.29 | DavidProck1981 | :-o |
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| 22:30.29 | x_link | mrsno__: I give up =/ |
| 22:30.38 | Nyle | x_link: my main man whats up |
| 22:30.38 | x_link | Thanks anyway for all help and support, I really appreicate it! |
| 22:30.58 | x_link | Nyle: Its not that good, how about you? |
| 22:31.03 | mrsno__ | x_link why give up now ? :< you have identified the problem |
| 22:31.10 | mrsno__ | and been given a solution |
| 22:31.11 | Nyle | just waiting to go home |
| 22:31.15 | x_link | mrsno__: I'm not as smart as you maan. |
| 22:31.18 | Nyle | x_link: I quit again |
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| 22:31.27 | x_link | Nyle: Quit what+ |
| 22:31.28 | x_link | ? |
| 22:31.28 | mrsno__ | x_link im not smart either, i ran into this too |
| 22:31.29 | Nyle | gonna try to stay clean for more than 5 months now |
| 22:31.34 | Nyle | x_link: herbs |
| 22:31.56 | x_link | Nyle: Okej. |
| 22:31.57 | x_link | Good. |
| 22:32.06 | Nyle | x_link: you swedish? |
| 22:32.17 | x_link | I live in Sweden, but I'm from armenia. |
| 22:32.19 | Nyle | x_link: etch/sid |
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| 22:32.31 | Nyle | x_link: i asked cuz you always type okej |
| 22:32.39 | Nyle | instead of okay |
| 22:32.50 | phix | The Swedish are fun |
| 22:32.51 | DavidProck1981 | Nyle i got 12.8 GB of porn :D |
| 22:32.52 | mrsno__ | x_link so you ran the .run linked at the bottom of the page, what happens |
| 22:33.13 | phix | DavidProck1981: that is so not within topic :) |
| 22:33.35 | Nyle | thats it? |
| 22:33.37 | Nyle | i got half tb |
| 22:33.38 | DavidProck1981 | well he talked about porn first LOL |
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| 22:34.00 | Nyle | and still growing |
| 22:34.01 | Nyle | :D |
| 22:34.08 | Supaplex | DavidProck1981: sure, blame it on Eve |
| 22:34.14 | DavidProck1981 | how many Gig's is in a TB |
| 22:34.25 | MajorPayne | DavidProck1981: 1024. |
| 22:34.25 | Nyle | 512 |
| 22:34.32 | Nyle | oh half a tb is 512 |
| 22:34.48 | Nyle | i thought you asked how much half a tb is |
| 22:34.56 | DavidProck1981 | so one TB = 1024 Gig's ? |
| 22:34.58 | Nyle | yup |
| 22:35.01 | stew | DavidProck1981: 1000 |
| 22:35.11 | Nyle | tibi vs. tera? |
| 22:35.13 | MangosDebian | Nyle: its good to know that in a post apocalyptic world, all of our pr0n will be preserved |
| 22:35.16 | DavidProck1981 | damn what media is that stored on |
| 22:35.29 | Madd_Matt | Lately aptitude has been locking up once I finish doing updates/installing a program, forcing me to kill it with a ctrl-c. It starts again fine, so I wouldn't think its something like a corrupt dpkg data. |
| 22:35.29 | Nyle | its on WD500KS |
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| 22:35.33 | Nyle | cheap 120$ drive |
| 22:35.34 | DavidProck1981 | MangosDebian LMAO LOL |
| 22:35.53 | DavidProck1981 | an IDE drive? |
| 22:35.54 | MangosDebian | and here I am archiving useless stuff like all OSS software mirrors :/ |
| 22:36.18 | Nyle | yeh I thought I lost my 500gb drive |
| 22:36.20 | Nyle | but I didn't |
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| 22:36.33 | Nyle | after being hooked up on my new mobo for a week, all the errors went away |
| 22:36.33 | tuxx | hey guys... |
| 22:36.41 | tuxx | when trying to install syscp |
| 22:36.42 | tuxx | tuxx@81-95-4-162:/var/www$ sudo apt-get install courier-authmysql |
| 22:36.43 | Nyle | same thing happened when i took the same drive to a new pc |
| 22:36.46 | Supaplex | Nyle: 500gb for $120? I see 500gb go for $99+free ship on occasion. |
| 22:36.49 | Nyle | it started giving read/write errors |
| 22:36.53 | MangosDebian | Nyle: didnt you just have loose ribbon cable or something? |
| 22:36.54 | Nyle | Supaplex: this was last year |
| 22:37.00 | tuxx | sorry.. when trying to isntall sudo apt-get install syscp i get |
| 22:37.00 | tuxx | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:37.00 | tuxx | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.01 | Supaplex | ahh. not bad |
| 22:37.01 | Nyle | MangosDebian: no |
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| 22:37.15 | Nyle | yup, back home in oklahoma |
| 22:37.15 | tuxx | but when i try to install courier-authmysql i get: |
| 22:37.19 | pickcoder | r/w errors are normally due to the WD brand stamped on it |
| 22:37.20 | tuxx | However the following packages replace it: |
| 22:37.20 | tuxx | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.22 | Nyle | I bought it at pc club on sale |
| 22:37.39 | bronze- | Going to install debian without X. Wish me good luck installing X and KDE manually! |
| 22:37.41 | Phil4 | Celelibi, which server are you using? |
| 22:37.43 | x_link | Nyle: hehe yeah |
| 22:37.52 | DavidProck1981 | where can u get a 500GB drive for around 100 some at?, Where |
| 22:37.55 | stew | tuxx: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 syscp" |
| 22:37.57 | MajorPayne | bronze-: aptitude install gnome? |
| 22:37.58 | Nyle | newegg.com |
| 22:38.02 | stew | tuxx: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:38.06 | Nyle | but cheap drives are not really reliable |
| 22:38.07 | bronze- | MajorPayne: aptitude install KDE |
| 22:38.13 | x_link | mrsno__: Can you give me the link agaiN? |
| 22:38.15 | x_link | again? |
| 22:38.19 | MajorPayne | bronze-: Ohh. right. Add xorg to that also. |
| 22:38.24 | bronze- | yep |
| 22:38.29 | x_link | mrsno__: No need, got it here. |
| 22:38.37 | MajorPayne | bronze-: It's not difficult. |
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| 22:39.44 | solemnwarning | Do the core packages such as libc and gcc ever get changed in stable or only when a new debian version comes out? |
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| 22:39.45 | bronze- | MajorPayne: My major concerns are partitioning (I need to assign my old home partition to /home and create a new root partition. |
| 22:40.04 | stew | solemnwarning: they get security updates, but not new versions |
| 22:40.04 | tuxx | stew: http://pastebin.ca/616929 |
| 22:40.11 | solemnwarning | thanks |
| 22:40.17 | bronze- | and the overall result AFTER I've installed KDE. |
| 22:40.23 | x_link | Honestly, is there anybody here using the kernel 2.6.21-2-k7? |
| 22:40.29 | stew | 17:37 < stew> tuxx: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 syscp" |
| 22:40.30 | x_link | is k7 for AMD Athlon XP? |
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| 22:40.43 | x_link | I use AMD Athlon 64 x2 3800+, which kernel should I use then? |
| 22:40.44 | phix | x_link: yes |
| 22:40.45 | solemnwarning | x_link: And duron+athlon AFAIK |
| 22:40.48 | x_link | hrmm ok |
| 22:40.52 | phix | x_link: amd |
| 22:40.58 | tuxx | any idea guys? http://pastebin.ca/616929 |
| 22:40.59 | solemnwarning | x_link: /me uses the -686 kernel |
| 22:41.20 | x_link | So I should use 2.6.21-2-k7, right? |
| 22:41.22 | stew | tuxx: can't you show me what i'm asking for? |
| 22:41.25 | phix | linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 - Linux 2.6.18 image on AMD64 |
| 22:41.30 | tuxx | stew: what are you asking for? |
| 22:41.36 | stew | 17:40 < stew> 17:37 < stew> tuxx: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 syscp" |
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| 22:41.38 | x_link | phix: But I don't use a Debian amd64. |
| 22:41.43 | tuxx | stew: oh i'm sorry |
| 22:41.44 | tuxx | didnt read that |
| 22:41.50 | phix | x_link: linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7 - Header files for Linux 2.6.18 on AMD K7 |
| 22:41.58 | tuxx | http://pastebin.ca/616932 |
| 22:42.06 | phix | x_link: I found that package name using apt-cache search linux 2.6 amd |
| 22:42.14 | x_link | phix: That's the kernel I just used, but I can't use it anymore. |
| 22:42.21 | phix | why not? |
| 22:42.24 | Celelibi | Phil4: that's my connection or my modem that make me timeout |
| 22:42.24 | Celelibi | (corrupted ATM frames) |
| 22:42.28 | stew | tuxx: you are trying to install syscp for sarge, but you are running etch, not sarge |
| 22:42.40 | tuxx | stew: hehe you cought me red handed |
| 22:42.41 | stew | tuxx: you'll have to find a etch version of syscp if you want to use it |
| 22:42.42 | tuxx | caught |
| 22:42.47 | x_link | I used 2.6.18-4-k7, but since I did sudo aptitude dist-upgrade on Debian Testing it upgraded my kernel to 2.6.21-2-k7 |
| 22:42.47 | tuxx | stew: oh.. that sucks |
| 22:43.19 | phix | x_link: ok |
| 22:43.29 | phix | x_link: so you don't like 2.6.21? |
| 22:43.43 | tuxx | stew: ok man thx for the tip |
| 22:43.52 | jakub_ | http://www.theync.com/h103106borat.shtml :-DDDD |
| 22:43.56 | phix | x_link: you can use pinning :) |
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| 22:44.14 | pickcoder | If only the package name changed for courier-authmysql -> courier-authlib-mysql then you could source compile it |
| 22:44.23 | phix | jakub_: :S :S |
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| 22:44.47 | kritical | Hi there... I'm rather new to squid... I've just installed Squid + Sarg + Dansguardian.... I had configured Sarg to log uers by IP... but now everything gets forwarded by Dansguardian on 127.0.0.1... can anyone offer me some advise on how to get around this? |
| 22:44.52 | x_link | phix: Okej. |
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| 22:51.09 | Vanpriest | someone can tell me how to do a custom script into the cacti. i am new cacti user and need few help |
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| 22:54.18 | unlink | is it possible to ensure that a single package is at at least version X.Y.Z or higher without affecting the rest of the system (except its dependencies)? |
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| 22:57.25 | pastorn | what does a star in synaptic mean? |
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| 22:57.53 | pastorn | "good shit"? |
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| 22:58.57 | bobbiac_Debian | 'lo .. did the 2.6.21 headers hit a snag? nvida's script is not liking them or something |
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| 22:59.39 | Nyle | ok time to go home |
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| 23:01.54 | Award | On an Intel ICH9 RAID, if the utility says "An Error Occurred" and that the array is degraded, is that a GUARANTEE of a drive failure, or are there steps/utilities (for any OS) that can be taken? |
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| 23:01.59 | bpun | hi |
| 23:02.27 | Award | I'm hearing lots of HD activity now that I'm rebooted to win...it could be superfetch...it could be an array rebuild...hard to tell. |
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| 23:02.43 | tbamr | !beer bpun |
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| 23:03.44 | bpun | how to tell using modinfo what my options should be? anyone? |
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| 23:04.44 | tuxx | http://files.syscp.org/docs/syscp-howto-etch/#id258652 |
| 23:04.49 | tuxx | in step 2.2 bind9 |
| 23:05.06 | tuxx | this tutorial adds some stuff to /etc/bind/default.zone |
| 23:05.10 | pickcoder | bpun: parm: <parameter name>:<description of what settings should be there> |
| 23:05.20 | tuxx | i dont quite understand what this is for.. does anyone have an idea what this could be about? |
| 23:05.28 | tuxx | something to do with nameservers |
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| 23:06.13 | bobbiac_Debian | anyone else have problems with 100.14.11 and last night's kernel patch? (yes I'm trying to re-compile the module) |
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| 23:07.13 | bpun | pickcoder, so if it says integer (1) , then I don't have to assume to have " options=,,,,,," (i don't have to count number of parameter commas or something?) |
| 23:07.17 | pickcoder | Award: "And Error Occurred" is extremely vauge, so who knows that really happened |
| 23:07.23 | pickcoder | s/And/An |
| 23:07.57 | pickcoder | bpun: IIRC you can specify specific module params individually to change them |
| 23:08.10 | pickcoder | I don't think that you have to list them all |
| 23:08.13 | solemnwarning | Can I mount an ext3 filesystem at more then one point? |
| 23:08.27 | pickcoder | (int) or int is normally a 1 or 0 to enable/disable a feature |
| 23:08.28 | solemnwarning | One ro, one rw |
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| 23:09.01 | bpun | pickcoder, ok thanks :) |
| 23:09.17 | carl | hey, what does :(){ :|:& };: do? i was told to run it in bash, but ti doesnt seemt o do much... |
| 23:09.22 | Award | pickcoder: No kidding :) |
| 23:09.43 | Award | pickcoder: But would RAIDs normally even try to rebuild in such a situation or does it just drop the drive out and that's that? |
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| 23:10.08 | pickcoder | Award: that's controller specific and it's normally based on the type of error |
| 23:10.39 | Award | pickcoder: Fun :) |
| 23:10.41 | bpun | anyone knows or has down using a 32-bit pcmcia network card in a 16-bit cardbus ? (am currently waiting my few dollar cardbus extender which i think can solve it.. but meanwhile..) |
| 23:10.44 | Award | pickcoder: Thanks |
| 23:10.56 | pickcoder | Award: you may want to google for that controller and similar issues |
| 23:10.59 | bpun | #down#done# ..yikes.. |
| 23:11.08 | pickcoder | I don't trust onboard RAID controllers, so I don't use them |
| 23:11.26 | Award | pickcoder: Yeah, but for a dual-boot machine, not much of a choice for the windows drives :) |
| 23:11.57 | pickcoder | Award: they're fine in SATA or AHCI mode. I just don't trust a cheat RAID controller |
| 23:11.57 | Award | pickcoder: Worse, it happened to happen with a Vista BSOD while debian was booting in a VMWare session :) |
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| 23:12.12 | pickcoder | s/cheat/cheap |
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| 23:12.20 | Award | pickcoder: So it has me itching my head as to if VM was at all to blame :) |
| 23:12.24 | Award | pickcoder: yeah |
| 23:12.43 | ampex | if libata is compiled into my kernel, how do I tell whether I am using ahci or not? |
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| 23:13.32 | kritical | I'm testing a transparent proxy on my debian machine... can anyone tell me how to setup iptables to forward all tcp requests on port 80 to a different IP:Port? |
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| 23:14.09 | solemnwarning | kritical: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to IP:port |
| 23:14.10 | solemnwarning | I think |
| 23:14.18 | xacier | what are the chances my debian gonna crash if i leave it on more than 24hr's? |
| 23:14.37 | solemnwarning | xacier: Why would it? |
| 23:14.52 | solemnwarning | My server uptime is 27 days atm |
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| 23:15.06 | xacier | oh ok |
| 23:15.13 | xacier | it's my hardware eh |
| 23:15.28 | zinx | probably. get memtest86+ |
| 23:15.38 | zinx | it will show errors for some CPU problems, and for RAM problems |
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| 23:15.52 | zinx | do let it go through a full pass though, newer CPUs can hide RAM problems if you don't |
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| 23:16.12 | xacier | cool thx |
| 23:16.32 | zinx | it may not help much w/ overheating problems related to the CPU (which from your description it could be) |
| 23:16.43 | zinx | and won't help with hard drive cable issues |
| 23:16.46 | zinx | or hard drive issues for that matter |
| 23:17.36 | xacier | thx for letting me know |
| 23:17.38 | bpun | anyone has a trick to have my 32-bit pcmcia nic work in 16-bit mode? i've tried this network-firmware package to no avail.. |
| 23:17.57 | zinx | 32-bit pcmcia? o_O |
| 23:18.12 | zinx | and why do you need it to work in 16-bit mode? |
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| 23:19.16 | bpun | 'cuse my carbus is 16-bit |
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| 23:19.24 | zinx | cardbus is 32-bit |
| 23:19.27 | zinx | pcmcia is 16-bit |
| 23:19.51 | zinx | pcmcia slots don't work with cardbus cards, but they're also obsolete.. you've got to have a really old laptop :P |
| 23:19.57 | bpun | lspci has two carbus-- in my laptop it's 16-bit for one, 32-bit for the other.. |
| 23:20.00 | zinx | (cardbus slots do work with pcmcia cards) |
| 23:21.21 | zsircusr | does knoppix come with gcc preloaded on a hdd install? |
| 23:21.37 | zinx | zsircusr: hi, welcome to #debian |
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| 23:22.15 | pickcoder | ampex: dmesg should tell you |
| 23:22.31 | zsircusr | oh man i thought i was in knopp srry |
| 23:24.05 | bpun | zinx, i don't want to use a cardbus extender, and rather try to solve this issue i have with some kernel/mod line.. ( setting a laptop as a music station with a new pcmcia card-->audigy2 -- this soundcard works fine in both slots, but the height of any new pcmcia is trouble - since both slots are pretty flush-->using this type of dongle for nic http://www.mc3llc.com/prodimages/CPN-GN100T_LR.jpg) |
| 23:24.49 | zinx | bpun: You can't use a card in an incompatible slot. |
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| 23:25.01 | zinx | bpun: it's like trying to use an ISA card in a PCI slot. |
| 23:25.05 | imachine | sup |
| 23:25.11 | zinx | bpun: or, rather, the other way around. |
| 23:25.14 | bpun | zinx, that's why i've already ordered a cardbus extender.. |
| 23:25.22 | bpun | but meanwhile.. |
| 23:25.23 | imachine | question: how do I stop default installed grub from booting ? |
| 23:25.28 | bpun | hopefully there's a workaround.. |
| 23:25.31 | imachine | so I get dropped to the grub shell ? |
| 23:25.32 | zinx | bpun: I don't see why you can't use the 32-bit slot, if there really is a 16-bit and a 32-bit |
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| 23:25.42 | zinx | (but fwiw all "Cardbus" is 32-bit) |
| 23:25.46 | bpun | zinx, (look at picture) |
| 23:25.59 | imachine | PCMCIA is 16bit, so called pc-card, cardbus is 32bit. |
| 23:26.16 | bpun | zinx, fyi->> i did say lspci " ".. tells me so.. i'm not assuming anything.. |
| 23:26.16 | imachine | so can someone answer my question then? ;) |
| 23:26.32 | zinx | bpun: you're interpreting the lspci output that i've not seen :) |
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| 23:27.26 | xacier | so i need to reboot to see memtest86+ to work? |
| 23:27.26 | bpun | zinx, it mentions 32-bit, and at same time says 16-bit legacy mode.. |
| 23:27.33 | Gm4n | how do I ad a HAL key for my md0 device so I can have gnome show it in the "Computer" window? |
| 23:27.56 | Gm4n | (device was made via mdadm) |
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| 23:29.30 | pickcoder | imachine: hit <escape> and then <c> |
| 23:29.41 | imachine | esc c ? |
| 23:29.46 | imachine | i jut hit esc a few times |
| 23:29.53 | imachine | so just once esc and then c ? |
| 23:30.06 | imachine | like, when it says, GRUB Loading stage 1.5 ? |
| 23:30.12 | imachine | then ? |
| 23:30.14 | imachine | it happens quickly ;] |
| 23:30.18 | pickcoder | yes |
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| 23:30.23 | imachine | I have an issue since I have console=serial |
| 23:30.27 | bpun | anyone would know why my pcmcia card would work in one, but not the other? |
| 23:30.33 | imachine | and I need to fix something and have not got a serial adapter for this laptop now |
| 23:30.41 | imachine | so can't get in to fix a broken dhclient config :P |
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| 23:31.23 | imachine | I;m just stupid that way sometimes |
| 23:31.24 | imachine | ;) |
| 23:31.28 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 23:31.59 | imachine | I'll give it a go, thanks |
| 23:32.02 | pickcoder | escape stops the timer |
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| 23:32.07 | pickcoder | c = command line |
| 23:32.09 | imachine | there is no timer |
| 23:32.15 | imachine | I pressed mad escape before |
| 23:32.21 | imachine | and nothing happened, it just booted. |
| 23:32.52 | pickcoder | so boot from a live CD |
| 23:33.01 | imachine | nah I can't be arsed :P |
| 23:34.26 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 23:34.27 | imachine | yeah it doesn;t do anything |
| 23:34.36 | imachine | i can press esc as muhc as I want to |
| 23:35.22 | imachine | ok cheers |
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| 23:35.35 | fr33d0m | hi, i can't find the package for the opera browser on etch stable (apt-cache search opera lists tooo many, also with a | grep browser i get no real result =( |
| 23:36.26 | stew | fr33d0m: opera is under a license which prevents debian from legally distributing it |
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| 23:37.27 | xacier | go to opera.com |
| 23:37.33 | xacier | download it |
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| 23:38.32 | nse | jimi |
| 23:38.44 | Nyle | ahh boy |
| 23:38.50 | nse | hendrix |
| 23:38.51 | kritical | solemnwarning: I'm getting an iptables syntax error with your example, --dport unknown arg |
| 23:38.53 | xacier | java has that license issue too |
| 23:38.56 | fr33d0m | stew: do you know a repository i can use to fetch this package ? |
| 23:39.13 | cafuego | kritical: --dport needs -p as well (protocol) |
| 23:39.19 | stew | fr33d0m: no |
| 23:39.21 | Nyle | xacier: I didn't mean to lose it earlier. I was trying to figure something out and you kept asking me about what I use and how often it crashes and it just ticked me |
| 23:39.34 | Nyle | its all good though |
| 23:40.18 | xacier | well, debian just crashed 3 times on this machine and this is my fourth install |
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| 23:40.27 | Nyle | explain crash |
| 23:40.31 | Nyle | what do you mean crashed? |
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| 23:40.50 | xacier | um, it was frozen up and didn't move |
| 23:41.05 | xacier | i clicked on the mice and hitted the keyboard |
| 23:41.06 | Nyle | which debian release? |
| 23:41.08 | xacier | nada |
| 23:41.14 | xacier | current stable |
| 23:41.24 | Nyle | have you tested your memory? |
| 23:41.26 | stew | xacier: you probably have a hardware problem. try running memtest86+ |
| 23:41.31 | Nyle | :) |
| 23:41.38 | xacier | i just installed it |
| 23:41.44 | xacier | it runs at boot |
| 23:41.44 | Nyle | so test it |
| 23:41.49 | Nyle | I always run memtest on each new stick |
| 23:41.52 | xacier | i haven't boot it yet |
| 23:41.53 | Nyle | at least 1 pass full |
| 23:42.15 | nse | xacier: god is debian, it never goes wrong. the problem is outside it |
| 23:42.29 | xacier | oh ok |
| 23:42.30 | Nyle | debian can fuck up sometimes |
| 23:42.36 | Nyle | and majorly so |
| 23:43.07 | w00p | somebody knows how i can install the nvidia graphic drivers on 2.6.21-2 kernel? i have problems, it say "NVIDIA: Unable to build the nvidia kernel module" |
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| 23:43.37 | Nyle | w00p: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 23:43.46 | Nyle | w00p: it *should* just work |
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| 23:44.39 | w00p | but i dont have the nvidia kernel for my kernel |
| 23:44.48 | w00p | in the apt |
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| 23:45.07 | Nyle | !nonfree |
| 23:45.08 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 23:45.21 | Nyle | w00p: ^^ |
| 23:45.34 | w00p | oh thanks, i ll try :) |
| 23:45.37 | Supaplex | !tell w00p -about sources.list |
| 23:46.12 | Nyle | I just cleaned my room/floor |
| 23:46.24 | Nyle | I found half ajoints worth on the floor lol, but im gonna throw it away |
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| 23:48.48 | Nyle | theory in practice |
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| 23:52.55 | Nyle | dead |
| 23:53.02 | Nyle | dpkg hi |
| 23:53.03 | dpkg | bonjour, nyle |
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| 23:53.05 | kritical | solemnwarning, that example you gave me doesn't appear to work |
| 23:53.11 | jakub_ | hi |
| 23:53.21 | kritical | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to IP:port <-- is there anything else I need to enable? |
| 23:53.23 | Nyle | jakub_: don't post porn/borat links again |
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| 23:56.21 | bronze | When installing debian using cd1, I accidentaly enabled netinstall. How long will it say "60% Searching through the mirror" ? (Translated) |
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