| 00:00.28 | kritical | bronze, is your networking configured properly? |
| 00:01.06 | kritical | bronze, the last time I tried installing from the net repos without a network config it hung until I brought up the network interface.... |
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| 00:01.45 | bronze | kritical : There wasn't really much configuring to do, except for "select network interface" or something like that. |
| 00:02.14 | kritical | bronze, did it configure via dhcp? |
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| 00:02.37 | kritical | bronze, look at the virtual consoles.. see what it's stuck on |
| 00:02.48 | bronze | how do I bring it up? |
| 00:02.55 | bronze | never installed debian before |
| 00:02.59 | kritical | bronze, CTRL + ALT + F1, CTRL + ALT + F2, etc... |
| 00:03.07 | bronze | ok let me go and check |
| 00:03.09 | bronze | brb |
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| 00:03.23 | nigglet | lol hes gonna get lost |
| 00:03.31 | nigglet | i feel sorry for him |
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| 00:03.57 | Nyle | nigglet: you nickname is somehow almost offensive |
| 00:04.07 | kritical | bronze, if you get lost just keep pressing CTRL+ALT+F* until you get back to the main screen =) |
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| 00:04.53 | bronze | kritical : it says "reading package lists..." half an hour ago. nothing since then. |
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| 00:05.34 | bronze | nigglet, you were wrong |
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| 00:05.54 | nigglet | i had faith in him |
| 00:06.05 | nigglet | or you i mean |
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| 00:06.27 | bronze | :) |
| 00:06.35 | brunosilva | Hi all |
| 00:06.44 | nigglet | ello |
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| 00:07.02 | kritical | bronze, if you don't want to do a network install, restart and do it the way you want =) |
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| 00:07.21 | x_link | Hi... |
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| 00:07.31 | Nyle | hi |
| 00:07.31 | bronze | kritical , so if I do that, using cd1, I will get the base package without X, right? |
| 00:07.41 | x_link | Is the 2.6.18-4-k7 kernel available for Debian Etch? |
| 00:07.51 | Nyle | x_link: search packages.debian.org |
| 00:07.59 | fungo | hi, i'm building a i386 chroot for games, mplayer and firefox+plugins, what package install the basic X libraries just to run stuff? |
| 00:08.06 | Nyle | !info 2.6.18-4-k7 etch |
| 00:08.09 | x_link | Nyle: Okej. |
| 00:08.16 | x_link | Nyle: I can't install the nvidia packages for this new kernel. |
| 00:08.21 | kritical | bronze, yeah from memory you can install a base debian installation with just cd1... I usually do netinstall myself |
| 00:08.22 | x_link | =/ |
| 00:08.24 | x_link | 2.6.21-2-k7 |
| 00:08.27 | x_link | It sucks |
| 00:08.33 | Nyle | I dunno nothin' man |
| 00:08.41 | Nyle | whats a 'puter man? |
| 00:08.44 | bronze | kritical: how do I configure it to work then? |
| 00:08.48 | nigglet | lol |
| 00:09.01 | kritical | bronze, that's a very broad question... |
| 00:09.03 | bronze | nevermind., I'll install base and use apt-get to install the rest. |
| 00:09.08 | bronze | cya |
| 00:09.15 | armbar | is there a way to set a static ip during a net-install even though dhcp is enabled? |
| 00:09.25 | Nyle | armbar: yes |
| 00:09.37 | jelly-home | "don't use dhcp, then?" |
| 00:09.45 | Nyle | armbar: either use expert install, which is priority=low or specify priority=medium as a boot param |
| 00:09.55 | Nyle | armbar: manual config option is available regardless i think |
| 00:09.59 | fungo | i guess just 'expert' works |
| 00:10.14 | armbar | Nyle: thanks, I will check out that as an option |
| 00:10.24 | fungo | armbar try typing just "expert" |
| 00:10.35 | armbar | as a boot var? |
| 00:10.39 | Nyle | no |
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| 00:10.42 | Nyle | just expert |
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| 00:10.55 | Nyle | use fkeys 1-8 |
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| 00:11.04 | bronze | Is there a command for the installer to force shutdown or revert installation? Or should I just reboot, format and then re-install? |
| 00:11.06 | armbar | on tty 2? |
| 00:11.10 | nigglet | just so u know i believe debian is a robust system and i <3 the creators |
| 00:11.14 | Nyle | armbar: no, on the cd boot prompt |
| 00:11.16 | fungo | btw, could someone tell me a package only with basic X stuff to run stuff inside a chroot? |
| 00:11.23 | Nyle | armbar: don't just hit enter to boot the debian cd, type expert |
| 00:11.24 | armbar | Nyle: got it |
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| 00:11.27 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:11.33 | armbar | :) |
| 00:11.51 | gravity | fungo: xorg |
| 00:11.57 | Nyle | !te;; armbar -about ig |
| 00:12.02 | Nyle | !tell armbar -about ig |
| 00:12.17 | fungo | it will install the whole X stuff, i just want the libraries to run stuff inside the chroot |
| 00:12.27 | fungo | i already have my own X server outside it |
| 00:12.35 | Nyle | armbar: my friend has a domain called quickarmbar.com. he is a brazillian jiu-jitsu fan. Me and him used to train a lot a while ago |
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| 00:13.01 | Nyle | I like armbars, they can really put the hurtin on ya |
| 00:13.05 | armbar | Nyle: I traind for a year and left with a blue belt |
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| 00:13.18 | Nyle | well |
| 00:13.20 | armbar | Nyle: went to a few matches also |
| 00:13.25 | Nyle | lets try to get a bluebelt in debian now |
| 00:13.30 | armbar | Nyle: loads of fun |
| 00:13.32 | Nyle | read the install guide! |
| 00:13.39 | kritical | Can anyone help me with iptables please.. I'm so lost... I want to get it to forward all outgoing traffic on port 80 to another machine on another port... so far I have -> iptables -t -nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 10.64.98.250:3128 <- this is not working as far as I can tell... |
| 00:13.41 | armbar | :) |
| 00:14.15 | gravity | fungo: Just install the program that you need. It'll pull in the X libs. |
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| 00:16.56 | fungo | gravity there isn't a specific pacakge for this? |
| 00:17.02 | valdyn | kritical: this rule doesnt make sense, what are you really trying to do? |
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| 00:17.08 | fungo | xbase-clients does that job? |
| 00:17.09 | gravity | fungo: Nope, sorry. |
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| 00:17.15 | peter__ | Hello |
| 00:17.20 | Nyle | hi |
| 00:17.24 | gravity | fungo: That will pull in the basic libs without the server, yes |
| 00:17.36 | gravity | fungo: That's probably the ideal package for you to pull really |
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| 00:18.36 | peter__ | ;/ I have another problem with my debian. It crash when "m-a a-i fglrx". |
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| 00:18.41 | fungo | ok |
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| 00:19.24 | peter__ | :( Im so tired of get knowing linux |
| 00:19.36 | nigglet | peter, what video card do you own |
| 00:19.50 | peter__ | nigglet, ati x700 mobility |
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| 00:20.47 | nigglet | peter, strange as far as i know it supports fglrx driver |
| 00:21.07 | peter__ | nigglet, as far as I know it is... |
| 00:21.13 | mrsno__ | x_link and now ? :) |
| 00:21.29 | nigglet | peter, let me check ... |
| 00:21.35 | fungo | ati isn't friendly with linux |
| 00:21.43 | Nyle | its plenty friendly |
| 00:21.47 | peter__ | nigglet, you dont need to |
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| 00:22.05 | nigglet | ok peter |
| 00:22.08 | peter__ | it doesnt matter if it isnt.... it should works, fucking ati.amd |
| 00:22.10 | Nyle | not as friendly as we'd like, but its good enough that it works |
| 00:22.11 | hyphenex | with a 64-bit CPU, and I best downloading the i386 current distro, or ia64? |
| 00:22.31 | fungo | amd64 |
| 00:22.34 | solitude- | isnt ia64 itanium .. |
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| 00:22.44 | Nyle | hyphenex: which cpu do you have? |
| 00:22.46 | hyphenex | I've got an Intel core 2 Duo |
| 00:22.54 | Nyle | hyphenex: em64t, go with amd64 |
| 00:23.02 | hyphenex | okies :) |
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| 00:23.10 | hyphenex | will it be faster then the i386? |
| 00:23.11 | fungo | amd64 surely, after installing make a i386 chroot to have firefox with flash |
| 00:23.13 | fungo | and that stuff |
| 00:23.18 | peter__ | I would like to know linux bit more, but lot of things make problems, that cant be understand by new user like me :( |
| 00:23.20 | fungo | hyphenex surely it will be a bit faster |
| 00:23.25 | paddor | in which package should /bin/stat (target of symlink /usr/bin/stat) be? it's not on my system anymore! |
| 00:23.31 | Nyle | peter__: don't try to learn everything in one day |
| 00:23.34 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:23.53 | nigglet | yea i got a radeon aiw 9600 and after getting it configured and learning the xorg.conf files i found out i cant enable the tvin and tvout at the same time |
| 00:23.57 | peter__ | Nyle, Im fighting with it for two month already |
| 00:24.15 | Nyle | peter__: 13 years here |
| 00:24.20 | Nyle | I still don't know jack shit |
| 00:24.25 | Nyle | about linux or unix or anything |
| 00:24.38 | pingouin | :) |
| 00:24.44 | nigglet | LiNuX = very vast enviroment |
| 00:25.01 | peter__ | nigglet, I have installed fglrx driver, control, kernel src. Drivers works fine, I get my native resolution... but it gives me some error when try m-a prepare |
| 00:25.14 | Nyle | peter__: what error? |
| 00:25.21 | Nyle | m-a prepare has nothing to do with fglrx |
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| 00:25.34 | valdyn | peter__: why do you do m-a prepare at all when the driver is working fine? |
| 00:25.35 | peter__ | the problem is that, I have installed debian few times already, and I hadnt this error ever |
| 00:25.37 | nigglet | ohhh make assemble duh lol |
| 00:25.49 | peter__ | valdyn, Im using !dpkg fglrx one-liner |
| 00:26.01 | paddor | in which package should /bin/stat (target of symlink /usr/bin/stat) be? it's not on my system anymore! |
| 00:26.02 | nigglet | do u have the xorg-dev installed |
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| 00:26.10 | valdyn | peter__: why are you doing it when the driver is already working? |
| 00:26.15 | Nyle | valdyn: module-assistant prepare or m-a prepare only download build-essential, gcc stuff, compiler stuff and kernel sources afaik |
| 00:26.25 | valdyn | Nyle: indeed |
| 00:26.37 | dondelelcaro | peter__: what is the exact error that you're getting? |
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| 00:26.55 | peter__ | valdyn, I dont know why it is working... but It gives me error when tried m-a prepare |
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| 00:27.03 | valdyn | god |
| 00:27.24 | Nyle | peter__: can you copy the error and paste it on pastebin or if its only a line, you can pste it here |
| 00:27.24 | kritical | valdyn, I'm trying to test my squid proxy server which is on another machine, it's setup to be transparent... so forwarding all outgoing traffic on port 80 |
| 00:27.30 | valdyn | peter__: if you have difficulties with english that doesnt make it easier |
| 00:27.54 | valdyn | kritical: dnat is something else |
| 00:28.19 | kritical | valdyn, can you point me in the right direction? |
| 00:28.22 | valdyn | kritical: you need -j REDIRECT, but google for a complete command. |
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| 00:28.27 | peter__ | valdyn, I said, I tried to install fglrx as !dpkg said in console, without GUI. And one step is to write command "m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx" - it crash |
| 00:28.32 | kritical | valdyn, ahh thank you very much =) |
| 00:28.55 | Nyle | peter__: what crash? |
| 00:29.07 | valdyn | peter__: what's crashing? |
| 00:29.16 | valdyn | peter__: what's the error message? |
| 00:29.17 | nigglet | ? |
| 00:29.24 | peter__ | valdyn, Nyle exactly m-a a-i fglrx |
| 00:29.28 | Nyle | dude |
| 00:29.31 | Nyle | thats not an error |
| 00:29.36 | peter__ | what is the name of log file ? |
| 00:29.41 | fungo | there's a way to install firefox and not iceweasel? |
| 00:29.43 | valdyn | peter__: what's your native language? |
| 00:29.44 | peter__ | and where is he ? |
| 00:29.49 | peter__ | valdyn, polish |
| 00:29.53 | valdyn | !pl |
| 00:29.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 00:30.15 | valdyn | peter__: did you try #debian.pl yet? |
| 00:30.18 | peter__ | valdyn, not |
| 00:30.25 | Nyle | I like polish death metal |
| 00:30.29 | Nyle | Vader is especially good |
| 00:30.48 | Nyle | Honor & Graveland are good too. I tried to learn polish once, but I gave up |
| 00:30.57 | Lethargy_4 | ,find |
| 00:31.08 | paddor | the binary /bin/stat is lost on my system, and mldonkey needs it for starting. where can i get it? |
| 00:31.39 | valdyn | paddor: 'dpkg -S /bin/stat' gives what? |
| 00:31.40 | Bushmills | paddor: /usr/bin/stat? |
| 00:32.01 | paddor | Bushmills: /usr/bin/stat is only the symlink to /bin/stat |
| 00:32.02 | valdyn | paddor: 'dpkg -S /usr/bin/stat' gives what? |
| 00:32.04 | Nyle | package is coreutils innit |
| 00:32.09 | Nyle | or core-utils |
| 00:32.10 | Nyle | or some such |
| 00:32.25 | paddor | valdyn: no for both. |
| 00:32.27 | Nyle | usr/bin/stat utils/coreutils |
| 00:32.28 | Nyle | yup |
| 00:32.34 | Bushmills | paddor: what distribution are you running? |
| 00:32.44 | valdyn | paddor: you're probably not running debian |
| 00:32.45 | peter__ | valdyn, Nyle http://www.pastebin.ca/617075 |
| 00:32.49 | paddor | Bushmills: debian/unstable |
| 00:33.16 | peter__ | valdyn, join #debian.pl |
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| 00:33.33 | valdyn | mm, again the 2.6.21 kernel, i dont know if ati drivers work with that one |
| 00:33.36 | Bushmills | i just checked on a sid machine, and stat is in /usr/bin there |
| 00:33.39 | peter__ | polish debian support sux |
| 00:33.47 | peter__ | and I dont talk about # |
| 00:34.04 | paddor | valdyn: yes, i'm running debian. and it was running for a year or so. coreutils is installed. |
| 00:34.05 | valdyn | peter__: use "LC_ALL=C m-a prepare" or "LC_ALL=C whatever command" |
| 00:34.16 | Nyle | peter__: 'lsmod|grep fglrx' returns what? |
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| 00:34.23 | valdyn | paddor: i doubt /usr/bin/stat ever was a symlink |
| 00:34.31 | Bushmills | paddor: ls: /bin/stat: No such file or directory ... that is unstable |
| 00:34.37 | peter__ | Nyle, nothing |
| 00:34.38 | valdyn | paddor: "aptitude reinstall coreutils" |
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| 00:35.14 | bronze | Ok, so I've installed debian base package, and when I type "aptitude install xorg kde" I get a message I gotta insert the CD. So I do it and press enter, but the same prompt about the CD comes up. What's up? |
| 00:35.19 | valdyn | peter__: you CANNOT use fglrx with 2.6.21 kernels |
| 00:35.23 | Bushmills | valdyn: won't help, he probably has stat in /usr/bin, and will just install it there again |
| 00:35.26 | Nyle | peter__: debian sid? |
| 00:35.35 | valdyn | Bushmills: umm? |
| 00:35.50 | DawnLight | anybody knows an alternative to gksu with less dependencies? |
| 00:35.53 | MaliutaWrk | valdyn: yeah, the modules refuse to load |
| 00:35.56 | paddor | valdyn: it's still a symlink. |
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| 00:36.02 | peter__ | valdyn, Nyle I instelled Etch, then add to sources.list lenny and aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 00:36.09 | paddor | Bushmills: yes, this is the error i get. is this a problem of unstable? |
| 00:36.13 | valdyn | paddor: why the hell is it a symlink? |
| 00:36.15 | Lethargy_4 | I believe you need to recompile the newer kernels for the newer driver support. |
| 00:36.19 | paddor | valdyn: i try to reinstall |
| 00:36.24 | valdyn | paddor: it isnt a symlink in sarge nor in sid |
| 00:36.28 | Bushmills | valdyn: |
| 00:36.29 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.29 | Bushmills | /usr/bin/stat |
| 00:36.29 | dpkg | ii coreutils | grep stat 1.1-12.2 bushmills's private porn collection |
| 00:36.30 | valdyn | paddor: it isnt a symlink in etch nor in sid |
| 00:36.32 | MaliutaWrk | valdyn: you can still use the xorg driver, you just can't get the DRM stuff, so it only does 2D accell |
| 00:36.36 | paddor | valdyn: it already was a symlink |
| 00:36.39 | Lethargy_4 | look on debian user in the last day or so, someone had to change a kernel paramater. |
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| 00:36.49 | valdyn | paddor: rm /usr/bin/stat |
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| 00:36.59 | valdyn | paddor: "aptitude reinstall coreutils" |
| 00:37.05 | paddor | valdyn: ok.. i try |
| 00:37.10 | blow_fish | is there a security check app for debian? |
| 00:37.24 | Nyle | tons |
| 00:37.26 | MaliutaWrk | Lethargy_4: no, it just doesn't work. I have a handrolled kernel and I hand rolled the fglrx modules ... they still don't load |
| 00:37.28 | Nyle | what do you want to check for? |
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| 00:37.34 | solitude- | apititude? O_o |
| 00:37.37 | solitude- | whats wrong with apt |
| 00:37.47 | Nyle | !why aptititude |
| 00:37.49 | blow_fish | see if there are holes... |
| 00:37.55 | Nyle | !why aptitude |
| 00:37.55 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 00:37.56 | solitude- | CompWizdr, arnt you on efnet too? |
| 00:38.04 | Bushmills | disagree |
| 00:38.07 | valdyn | MaliutaWrk: that gpl-only issue is a small thing - relicense the fglrx module - thats actually easy |
| 00:38.08 | solitude- | Uh huh |
| 00:38.14 | peter__ | valdyn, 2.6.21 kernel is new one or old ? |
| 00:38.15 | solitude- | is apt deprecated yet? |
| 00:38.21 | solitude- | if not, aptitude has no place |
| 00:38.26 | valdyn | peter__: its rather new |
| 00:38.28 | Bushmills | i resorted several times to apt because aptitude could find its way around |
| 00:38.30 | valdyn | peter__: its yours |
| 00:38.37 | solitude- | isnt 2.6.22 the most recent? |
| 00:38.38 | valdyn | peter__: why dont you use debian STABLE ? |
| 00:38.40 | Bushmills | couldn't |
| 00:38.47 | peter__ | valdyn, how is that possible? I just make dist-upgrade |
| 00:38.57 | paddor | valdyn: oh shit. it doesnt find other bins. "NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin.". i never changed PATH! |
| 00:38.58 | valdyn | geez |
| 00:38.58 | blow_fish | um, aptitude is default in the current release |
| 00:39.00 | bronze | Ok, so I've installed debian base package, and when I type "aptitude install xorg kde" I get a message I gotta insert the CD. So I do it and press enter, but the same prompt about the CD comes up. What's up? |
| 00:39.16 | peter__ | valdyn, few things dont work correct on etch |
| 00:39.20 | Nyle | a finely tuned aptitude and knowledge of dependencies a huge advantage to simply running aptitude install blah |
| 00:39.23 | bronze | And can't it just download it from tha internetz? |
| 00:39.42 | valdyn | peter__: that's no reason to run unstable |
| 00:39.43 | solitude- | etch is pretty good. |
| 00:39.53 | peter__ | valdyn, for example resolution in movie is not correct... when I work with lenny it is fine |
| 00:40.14 | DawnLight | does anyone know of an alternative to kdesu and gksu? |
| 00:40.29 | Nyle | if htop says mem 360/1011, what does that mean? 360 used or 360 remaining? |
| 00:40.35 | peter__ | valdyn, how should I understand that? |
| 00:40.49 | Lethargy_4 | This is the message I was talking about, seems to work if you change it to this. |
| 00:40.52 | valdyn | peter__: literally |
| 00:40.53 | Nyle | nm, freem -m is more accurate? |
| 00:40.55 | Lethargy_4 | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_thread/thread/577e0f45b39dc49c/f43f77cfc92fc3ce?lnk=st&q=fglrx+%2B+kernel+%2B+compile&rnum=1&hl=en#f43f77cfc92fc3ce |
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| 00:41.09 | peter__ | valdyn, can I get program from unstable to stable? |
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| 00:41.26 | valdyn | peter__: yes, via "simple sid backport" |
| 00:41.32 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 00:41.32 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
| 00:41.42 | kritical | valdyn, -j REDIRECT only redirects locally? |
| 00:41.44 | valdyn | peter__: read ^^^ |
| 00:41.53 | Nyle | free -m* |
| 00:42.04 | Nyle | valdyn: what is a dyn? |
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| 00:42.18 | peter__ | valdyn, and It dont need to dist upgrade? Or, it dont makes etch unstable? |
| 00:42.25 | Nyle | I've seen a few dyn nicks around just wondering |
| 00:42.25 | paddor | valdyn: even "id" is unavailable. |
| 00:42.48 | Bushmills | oh well, let people run whatever flavour they want. if think is ok to say "sid has a lot of problems, and don't ask us for support", but it is not to say "don't run sid". after all, linux is free, debian is free, and so should be individials choice what he runs. own risk, of course. |
| 00:43.02 | streuner | Nyle: "Dynamic Wizard" ;-) |
| 00:43.14 | Nyle | !sid faq |
| 00:43.14 | dpkg | sid faq is probably http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 00:43.24 | Nyle | Bushmills: READ THIS!!! ^^^ |
| 00:43.30 | Bushmills | Nyle: why? |
| 00:43.38 | Nyle | good stuff there |
| 00:43.45 | Nyle | you'll like it |
| 00:43.52 | valdyn | kritical: sure |
| 00:43.54 | streuner | well, nobody likes that |
| 00:43.55 | peter__ | Bushmills, Im trying to see if not using windows without any problem is possible. For now, for me, not... |
| 00:44.02 | Bushmills | Nyle: give that to the people who insist on running sid |
| 00:44.05 | Lethargy_4 | anyone run an ipv6 hardware router? |
| 00:44.06 | streuner | but its important |
| 00:44.31 | Bushmills | Nyle: is simply make a point of asking not to use the imperative, but more the suggestive |
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| 00:45.00 | Nyle | Bushmills: how about we not run sid we can't fix it? |
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| 00:45.09 | Bushmills | Nyle: send that to peter_, for example |
| 00:45.10 | force | anyone know what package has mysql.so for php5 in it? |
| 00:45.14 | Nyle | Bushmills: whoever |
| 00:45.22 | kritical | valdyn, sorry after I typed that I realised how much information that lacked, do you know if it's possible to forward to another IP? for instance... any out-bound traffic on port 80 from my local machine should only go to one place... the REDIRECT only allows you to redirect locally it would seem... |
| 00:45.38 | pablo_ | hi, can a gpl project be sold? |
| 00:45.44 | SerajewelKS | force: php5-mysql |
| 00:45.45 | Nyle | yes |
| 00:45.49 | peter__ | valdyn, how is that possible that kernel 2.6.21 was installed now, but not three days ago, when I was installing debian? |
| 00:45.49 | SerajewelKS | pablo_: if you provide the source, sure |
| 00:45.59 | pingouin | no one had trouble with 'evil' nvidia drivers, from www.nvidia.com, and the last 2.6.22.1 kernel ? |
| 00:46.01 | Nyle | for example, CUPS was bought by apple! |
| 00:46.04 | pablo_ | SerajewelKS: so what is sold? |
| 00:46.05 | force | just found that myself :/ i missed it after 5 minutes of checking the apt-cache output.. haha im blind :( |
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| 00:46.16 | force | thanks |
| 00:46.18 | Bushmills | nyle, yes fine. but it is individuals choice, if they ignore advice, and run into problems, which they can't solve, they simply find out the hard way. |
| 00:46.24 | SerajewelKS | force: also please search packages.debian.org before asking questions so easily answered |
| 00:46.30 | Nyle | Bushmills: whats your point? |
| 00:46.33 | pingouin | or better, does the last nvidia drivers can be build against the last 2.6.22.1 kernel ? |
| 00:46.36 | Bushmills | which is much more educative than saying "don't run sid" |
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| 00:46.40 | pablo_ | SerajewelKS: if the code is of public domain, what do yoe sell? |
| 00:46.41 | Lethargy_4 | ouch slap down ouch. |
| 00:46.49 | force | yup |
| 00:46.51 | SerajewelKS | pablo_: you do know that the text to the GPL is free, right? as in, you can read it? |
| 00:46.58 | valdyn | kritical: you cant just ripp out the ip of the destination when that packet is actually supposed to reach the destination ( though after crossing the proxy ) |
| 00:47.05 | Bushmills | Nyle: my point is simply that people running sid are almost treated as criminals |
| 00:47.16 | Nyle | I am not treated like a criminal |
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| 00:47.24 | Nyle | I've been running sid for what 5 straight years |
| 00:47.29 | valdyn | peter__: because debian releases that are not stable change every day |
| 00:47.47 | SerajewelKS | pablo_: and the code is not public domain, it's copyrighted |
| 00:47.51 | Lethargy_4 | The only thing I run from sid is the kernel, if I need one. |
| 00:47.57 | peter__ | valdyn, If I need some program on Etch, would you help me to find it and install ? |
| 00:48.03 | kritical | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.05 | rahul | people who think that the purpose of this channel is to fix some broken package in sid are treated like criminals |
| 00:48.05 | SerajewelKS | pablo_: if you own the copyright you can sell it without source, since the license terms do not apply to you |
| 00:48.06 | valdyn | peter__: no |
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| 00:48.23 | rahul | it's part of the war on newbies |
| 00:48.26 | peter__ | valdyn, meaby you could give me some nice link with advice? |
| 00:48.26 | Nyle | sid like you know, for developers and such |
| 00:48.27 | kritical | valdyn, basically I'm trying to test a transparent http proxy.... |
| 00:48.27 | SerajewelKS | pablo_: if someone else owns the copyright you are obligated to provide the source under the same terms upon request |
| 00:48.29 | valdyn | peter__: i told you how to do it already, im not going to do even more spoonfeeding |
| 00:48.34 | Nyle | or people who wanna live on the edge |
| 00:48.36 | valdyn | kritical: yes, i know |
| 00:48.56 | Nyle | I've actually come across sysadmins* or whatever who actually run unstable on company servers |
| 00:49.01 | rahul | so this girl wants me to drive her to virginia |
| 00:49.14 | Nyle | and I'm sitting here wondering, how fucking retarded do you have to be to do that |
| 00:49.17 | rahul | heh |
| 00:49.18 | peter__ | ok, last chance, Im going to install Etch ;/ |
| 00:49.27 | peter__ | thanks for help anyway |
| 00:49.27 | Nyle | rahul: you have no car |
| 00:49.34 | Nyle | rahul: and if you ask me to drive you i'll hurt you |
| 00:49.35 | rahul | I have a car |
| 00:49.39 | rahul | haha |
| 00:49.41 | Nyle | you bought one |
| 00:49.47 | rahul | my parents have 3 |
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| 00:49.56 | Nyle | yeh well |
| 00:50.00 | Nyle | my parents have there and half |
| 00:50.03 | Nyle | pffft |
| 00:50.17 | rahul | yeah, they got rid of the half car they had before :P |
| 00:50.19 | valdyn | kritical: the transparent proxy has to be your router, unless you build a tunnel |
| 00:50.22 | SerajewelKS | can you guys /msg each other or something, sheesh |
| 00:50.23 | streuner | What does someone want in virgina, most people want to califonia or NY? |
| 00:50.25 | kritical | valdyn, so what I'm doing will not work?... when I point a browser at the proxy I can see headers giving away it's existance.. I assume the browser adds these... I'm trying to simulate a production environment to see if my proxy is truely transparent... check headers.. etc... |
| 00:50.30 | rahul | streuner: her parents live there |
| 00:50.42 | valdyn | kritical: do you have ANY idea how a tcp packet looks? |
| 00:50.44 | Nyle | rahul: thats probably not a good idea |
| 00:50.47 | rahul | heh |
| 00:50.49 | pablo_ | SerajewelKS: so what cups sold is its copiright? |
| 00:50.55 | rahul | Nyle: nah, our families know each other |
| 00:51.06 | SerajewelKS | pablo_: i have no context for that question |
| 00:51.09 | Nyle | is this like your woman or something? |
| 00:51.15 | Nyle | then its cool, if its just some chic, then fuck it man |
| 00:51.17 | rahul | I guess... one of them |
| 00:51.18 | Nyle | its too much work |
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| 00:51.34 | Nyle | bah |
| 00:51.34 | rahul | speaking of which, I have to talk to two more tonight |
| 00:51.40 | SerajewelKS | Nyle, rahul: this is #debian, not #mysuckylife |
| 00:51.49 | rahul | sucky sucky |
| 00:51.51 | Nyle | I'm not talking about my life |
| 00:52.01 | Nyle | despite the magnitude of its suckiness |
| 00:52.20 | kritical | valdyn, hmm.. obviously not enough.. sorry to annoy you with my lack of knowledge... maybe I need to read more about that?... the deal was suppose to be that I get the proxy installs and running, then the network guys will deal with that side of things.. but I would like to make sure I've configured it before putting it in place... |
| 00:52.26 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: you know what i mean |
| 00:52.27 | rahul | she's like, I'll do ANYTHING if you drive me there! |
| 00:52.33 | Nyle | I'm talking about Megatron and the Decepticons |
| 00:52.40 | Nyle | they will crush you SerajewelKS |
| 00:52.41 | rahul | haha |
| 00:52.46 | rahul | I saw that. how silly. |
| 00:52.52 | valdyn | kritical: the destination ip and port are obviously only encoded once per packet |
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| 00:52.54 | Nyle | that movie kicked ass man |
| 00:53.00 | Nyle | it was kinda useless too |
| 00:53.05 | Nyle | but good action scenes |
| 00:53.06 | rahul | the effects when they changed form were amazing |
| 00:53.20 | rahul | it was a pure summer action flick |
| 00:53.21 | Nyle | yup |
| 00:53.21 | SerajewelKS | !ops Nyle, rahul annoyingly OT |
| 00:53.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: serajewelks complains about: Nyle, rahul annoyingly OT |
| 00:53.22 | valdyn | kritical: you can change the PORT from 80 to 3128. squid can trivially change that back when forwarding that request |
| 00:53.31 | jgw2001 | I need some on to do me a wee favour.... To test out a html based VNC server.... |
| 00:53.33 | Nyle | what a cunt |
| 00:53.34 | Nyle | damn |
| 00:53.34 | dondelelcaro | rahul, Nyle: please use #debian-offtopic |
| 00:53.39 | rahul | wtf. |
| 00:53.41 | Nyle | yeh alright. |
| 00:53.48 | rahul | I'm done anyway. |
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| 00:54.02 | valdyn | kritical: you CANT ripp out the destination IP, as squid cant guess which website that packet actually tried to reach |
| 00:54.17 | streuner | SerajewelKS: that wasnt very clever, dude. |
| 00:54.30 | Nyle | streuner: fuck it man. |
| 00:54.32 | Nyle | its all good |
| 00:54.36 | kritical | valdyn, I don't understand what the problem is with simply looking for anything with destination port 80 and change the destination IP and Port to the squid server... I realise that squid can't see the destination of the tcp packet... but is should be able to see the destination header included in the http protocol? |
| 00:54.43 | Phil4 | PONG |
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| 00:54.48 | rahul | no, what brunosilva did really wasn't clever. |
| 00:54.50 | dondelelcaro | brunosilva: please don't do that. |
| 00:54.55 | SerajewelKS | streuner: it wasn't supposet to be clever |
| 00:54.59 | SerajewelKS | supposed* |
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| 00:55.02 | brunosilva | sorry |
| 00:55.14 | brunosilva | just reading about irc |
| 00:55.28 | rahul | brunosilva: I think there's a #test for fiddling around |
| 00:55.33 | brunosilva | didn't know it could cause problems |
| 00:55.33 | bronze | Ok, so I've installed debian base package, and when I type "aptitude install xorg kde" I get a message I gotta insert the CD. So I do it and press enter, but the same prompt about the CD comes up. What's up? |
| 00:55.53 | SerajewelKS | kritical: what if someone navigates to some random IP? |
| 00:55.57 | kritical | valdyn, so instead changing the destination ip in the tcp packet... the other way would be to do some sort of bridging? |
| 00:56.00 | SerajewelKS | kritical: browsers won't embed a Host: there |
| 00:56.18 | rahul | bronze: same drive as you used to install? |
| 00:56.37 | SerajewelKS | kritical: my guess is you'll need some sort of iptables queue handler |
| 00:56.48 | kritical | SerajewelKS, I thought they do?... I thought all modern browsers include a Requested URL in the header... regardless if it's an IP or FQDN |
| 00:57.18 | valdyn | kritical: anything that gets the packet to the proxy without changing the packet itself |
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| 00:57.22 | SerajewelKS | kritical: have you actually tested your theory? |
| 00:57.25 | valdyn | kritical: tunnel or whatever |
| 00:57.52 | gholm | hey all, lspci output says it can't recognize my NVIDIA card, yet I've install the latest drivers. |
| 00:58.05 | kritical | SerajewelKS, anyway this is for testing, not production.. in production the network guys are going to do their tricky stuff with deep packet inspection.. and bridging... all the stuff which I have yet to learn... |
| 00:58.33 | rahul | gholm: lspci has nothing to do with drivers |
| 00:58.47 | SerajewelKS | kritical: btw have you googled? |
| 00:59.00 | kritical | SerajewelKS, yes.. I have been googling for 2 days... |
| 00:59.04 | SerajewelKS | kritical: if you'd googled "debian transparent proxy" you'd have a working setup by now |
| 00:59.05 | rahul | gholm: it does all its interpretation of data in userspace... using a database that's in /usr/share probably |
| 00:59.12 | gholm | rahul: how can I get it to recognize my card then? |
| 00:59.26 | gholm | lspci output is "03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0400 (rev a1) |
| 00:59.28 | kritical | SerajewelKS, search for information about transperant proxies and you will find a LOT of information... I am literally buried in information.... |
| 00:59.42 | SerajewelKS | kritical: google that phrase and take the first hit |
| 00:59.43 | rahul | gholm: update its database. |
| 00:59.52 | rahul | gholm: not that it has any relevance to anything a driver does |
| 00:59.54 | kritical | SerajewelKS, I am pretty sure I DO have a working transparent proxy.. now I am trying to test it |
| 01:00.06 | dondelelcaro | gholm: if lspci doesn't know the device number, it's no big deal |
| 01:00.14 | SerajewelKS | kritical: what's so hard about testing it |
| 01:00.26 | dondelelcaro | lspci's database is almost always behind the latest hardware |
| 01:00.41 | MaliutaWrk | dondelelcaro: if you update the pciid db (update-pciids) you may get lucky |
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| 01:01.05 | kritical | SerajewelKS, when testing, I have my laptop, I set the proxy server to my proxy box, looked at the headers.. and it's got all sorts of things identifying my proxy server... now to me that doesn't seem very transparent. |
| 01:01.13 | dondelelcaro | MaliutaWrk: yeah... I wouldn't count on it though |
| 01:01.18 | gholm | rahul dondelelcaro so it makes no difference then? ideally the driivers will still drive it if they know which pci-e port it's on? |
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| 01:01.42 | rahul | gholm: the drivers are unrelated to lspci |
| 01:01.53 | kritical | SerajewelKS, so I'm trying to configure my laptop to use the proxy server without the web browser knowing about it... to see if those headers disappear.. this is where I am getting lost.... |
| 01:01.54 | gholm | rahul: ok |
| 01:02.13 | streuner | gholm: what does the manual say about? |
| 01:02.29 | gholm | streuner: the vid card manual? |
| 01:02.33 | streuner | sure |
| 01:02.36 | MaliutaWrk | dondelelcaro: you'd be surprised, things in that db are always being updated. I have seen video cards have a name change 3 days in a row |
| 01:02.43 | gholm | hang on |
| 01:02.44 | SerajewelKS | kritical: headers where? in the response to the laptop or in the request to the remote server? |
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| 01:03.11 | kritical | SerajewelKS, Response Headers from google.com |
| 01:03.38 | SerajewelKS | kritical: what's wrong with the proxy telling the browser that it's being proxied |
| 01:03.55 | kritical | SerajewelKS, that's in no way transparent? |
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| 01:04.20 | SerajewelKS | kritical: transparent means that the browser needs no configuration, and connections on port 80 are forced through the proxy no matter what |
| 01:04.28 | SerajewelKS | kritical: not that nobody has a clue a proxy is being used |
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| 01:04.43 | kritical | SerajewelKS, my boss has told me that nobody is allowed to know about the proxy server... |
| 01:05.04 | valdyn | kritical: that's a fucked up idea |
| 01:05.07 | SerajewelKS | kritical: so either configure the proxy to drop those headers or tell your boss he's dim |
| 01:05.14 | kritical | SerajewelKS, he also said that he would find it amusing watching me trying to figure it out... |
| 01:05.22 | valdyn | kritical: i think your boss means "no user on their browsers" |
| 01:05.36 | kritical | SerajewelKS, I don't think it's the proxy adding the headers, I think it's the web browser... |
| 01:05.50 | valdyn | kritical: because men in the middle will _always_ know |
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| 01:05.54 | SerajewelKS | kritical: how the hell could the browser add headers to the *response* |
| 01:06.35 | SerajewelKS | kritical: if you don't know how HTTP works why are you configuring something like this |
| 01:06.48 | kritical | SerajewelKS, I think the browser has told the web server about the proxy?... and the response includes those headers? I don't know.. I'm using the Firefox Web Developer Addon to see the Response Headers.. I don't know how to look at all of the headers properly? |
| 01:07.05 | rahul | how did the browser tell the server about something it doesn't know about? |
| 01:07.16 | kritical | SerajewelKS, excuse me for trying to learn. |
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| 01:07.23 | rahul | kritical: what are you smoking and where can I find some? |
| 01:07.45 | kritical | rahul, thanks for your help, greatly appreciated... |
| 01:08.05 | SerajewelKS | kritical: it's not the fact that you're learning that's the issue |
| 01:08.18 | SerajewelKS | kritical: it's that you have a job where you need to know how the web works and you apparently don't |
| 01:08.38 | SerajewelKS | kritical: anyway, just run wireshark or something on the laptop |
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| 01:08.45 | kritical | SerajewelKS, I didn't come here looking for a howto guide to fix my problem, I'm asking for a pointer in the right direction.... |
| 01:09.03 | SerajewelKS | kritical: you don't need a pointer, because no problem exists |
| 01:09.12 | kritical | SerajewelKS, and here you are essentially telling me to give up, thanks a lot |
| 01:09.23 | kritical | SerajewelKS, I'll do this on my own, I don't need that kind of attitude. |
| 01:09.30 | SerajewelKS | kritical: did you set up any configuration on the browser, or did it just start using the proxy by itself? |
| 01:10.26 | kritical | SerajewelKS, sorry... um.. yes I manually configured the browser |
| 01:10.31 | rahul | kritical: you have no ability to understand the concept of cause and effect. either that or you have no ability to separate distinct events from each other. |
| 01:10.35 | dondelelcaro | kritical: proxies always add headers. The reason why they do so is first off so they can be debugged; the second is so that you don't loop proxies back into eachother |
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| 01:10.45 | SerajewelKS | kritical: then you're not transparently proxying |
| 01:10.50 | ozatomic^ | Where are crontab files stored? |
| 01:10.59 | SerajewelKS | kritical: if you remove the configuration and it still works, *then* you are transparently proxying |
| 01:10.59 | dondelelcaro | ozatomic^: /var/spool/cron |
| 01:11.00 | kritical | SerajewelKS, I realise this... thats why I was asking about iptables to start with.... |
| 01:11.00 | rahul | HTTP proxying is never transparent |
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| 01:11.11 | ozatomic^ | kool thanks |
| 01:11.15 | rahul | you can't be, at the level of HTTP |
| 01:11.20 | SerajewelKS | kritical: and as i said, the first google hit i got has the answer |
| 01:11.28 | dondelelcaro | ozatomic^: the others are in /etc/cron*; |
| 01:11.37 | kritical | SerajewelKS, link? |
| 01:11.40 | rahul | you'll connect to a server and it'll tell you connection refused |
| 01:11.41 | dondelelcaro | (but I assume you're asking about users crontabs) |
| 01:11.43 | SerajewelKS | rahul: you seem to be just as confused as to what "transparent" means as kritical |
| 01:11.49 | SerajewelKS | kritical: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/71 |
| 01:12.11 | ozatomic^ | thx dondelelcaro |
| 01:12.11 | rahul | SerajewelKS: he wants transparent to the user, not to setting it up |
| 01:12.39 | SerajewelKS | rahul: it is transparent to the user, unless they happen to be running a packet sniffer or surfing with telnet |
| 01:12.51 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: first hit I am getting would use the outdated squid.conf syntax |
| 01:12.54 | rahul | SerajewelKS: or entering in a bad server name |
| 01:13.32 | kritical | SerajewelKS, 1: That tutorial is out of date and the squid configuration is wrong, 2: That tutorial is assuming that the proxy server is also a network gateway. |
| 01:13.33 | rahul | that is, a machine that really exists, but isn't running a server |
| 01:13.34 | dondelelcaro | running HEAD or wget -S a lot like I do |
| 01:13.54 | valdyn | kritical: it needs to be the network gateway |
| 01:14.06 | dondelelcaro | kritical: the transparent proxy has to have all port 80 traffic going through it. |
| 01:14.07 | SerajewelKS | rahul: in that case the server can display a nifty little message that looks like what IE says. not exact, but who's going to notice or care. |
| 01:14.23 | rahul | which will look great on firefox :) |
| 01:14.33 | SerajewelKS | kritical: you have to run the two on the same box |
| 01:14.45 | valdyn | kritical: or A network gateway, you can queue them.. |
| 01:14.46 | SerajewelKS | kritical: or at least the proxy needs to be on the other side of the gateway |
| 01:14.54 | rahul | or to anyone who has half a clue as to how networks work |
| 01:15.09 | rahul | SerajewelKS: erm, it actually shouldn't be |
| 01:15.14 | rahul | it should be in the DMZ |
| 01:15.16 | SerajewelKS | kritical: or you have to add a rule that will make the proxy bypass the rule |
| 01:15.18 | kritical | valdyn, thats not true... you can do it with policy based routing. |
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| 01:15.34 | kritical | valdyn, so our network guy tells me... |
| 01:15.36 | SerajewelKS | rahul: either way works |
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| 01:15.51 | rahul | no one is supposed to know about this, but you're asking everyone about it |
| 01:16.11 | SerajewelKS | kritical: then you have to worry about ARP IP takeovers for the proxy server, which will let anyone bypass the proxy :) |
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| 01:16.37 | valdyn | kritical: yea, routing |
| 01:16.48 | valdyn | kritical: that implies a gateway |
| 01:16.48 | kritical | SerajewelKS, not with deep packet inspection |
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| 01:17.20 | valdyn | kritical: routing=ok, nat=not ok |
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| 01:19.16 | SerajewelKS | kritical: http://www.deckle.co.za/squid-users-guide/Transparent_Caching |
| 01:19.42 | SerajewelKS | kritical: it has syntax for 2.6 squid |
| 01:19.57 | streuner | gholm: use "update-pciids" |
| 01:19.58 | kritical | SerajewelKS, yeah... it's already configured... and running... |
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| 01:20.12 | SerajewelKS | kritical: then it should work regardless of the browser configuration |
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| 01:20.36 | streuner | too late... |
| 01:20.56 | TBSeraph | I'm having problems with sudo and the path environment variable.... is there anyway I can setup an extra location in the sudo's secure path without sitting down and recompiling? |
| 01:21.17 | rahul | TBSeraph: erm /etc/pam.d? |
| 01:21.49 | kritical | SerajewelKS, not until the routing is configured... well at least thats what I understand from this conversation..... |
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| 01:22.24 | SerajewelKS | kritical: correct |
| 01:22.41 | SerajewelKS | kritical: you need to DNAT connections to the proxy |
| 01:24.38 | kritical | SerajewelKS, easier said then done but I'll definitely give it a try.... |
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| 01:25.28 | kritical | valdyn, SerajewelKS: Thanks for your patience and help |
| 01:25.37 | SerajewelKS | kritical: it's really easy... |
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| 01:26.11 | SerajewelKS | kritical: np, i'm not trying to be an ass btw, but some things get me ticked |
| 01:26.21 | kritical | SerajewelKS, well I don't know how to do it off the top of my head so I need to go and read about it... |
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| 01:27.32 | kritical | SerajewelKS, it's all good, it might be simple to you guys/gal, but for me this is quite new... mainly the routing/nat side of things.. I've only done small bits and peices... |
| 01:27.39 | kritical | Too many assumptions... |
| 01:27.47 | SerajewelKS | kritical: i'm a guy :) |
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| 01:38.20 | bronze | Does anyone know where I can find the norwegian debian repository? Gotta add it to my sources.list |
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| 01:38.52 | streuner | bronze: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 01:39.43 | streuner | knusper:/tmp# ping -c1 ftp.no.debian.org |
| 01:39.54 | streuner | 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms |
| 01:40.18 | ozatomic^ | if i plug a USB hard drive encloser into my debian box whats the easyiest way to find it? |
| 01:40.30 | Lethargy_4 | 0 ms what pipe you using. |
| 01:40.37 | somian | Wishlist items for this Nautilus file browser in gnome: a one-click way to copy the current path to the clipboard; and a way to open a shell in the currect dir |
| 01:41.06 | Lethargy_4 | ozatomic^: look in dmesg for the drive letters such as sda1 or some such. |
| 01:41.25 | ozatomic^ | but the system is already booted so it wont show up in dmesg? |
| 01:41.35 | Lethargy_4 | ozatomic^: or you could install pmount, and ivman, and have it auto mounted. |
| 01:41.52 | streuner | bronze: ftp.(TLD).debian.org |
| 01:42.07 | somian | Heh, 0ms, there's a bogus host in the Perl mirrors list that causes that. It's listed as being on 127.0.0.1 ;-) |
| 01:42.34 | Lethargy_4 | if you plugged it in after it was booted it should show up as messages are added to dmesg when something is plugged in. |
| 01:42.45 | ozatomic^ | arh ok kool |
| 01:43.08 | Lethargy_4 | you could also look in proc if you so desired. |
| 01:45.20 | Lethargy_4 | Yeah must be weird having 0 ms response time. |
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| 01:49.41 | ozatomic^ | Lethargy_4: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices <== so i munt scsi0 ? |
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| 01:54.55 | Snake-Eyes | does any one know if there have been any major changes to iptables between etch and sarge that would make iptables drop a whole chain if there is a error in it, instead of loading it and ignoring the error ? |
| 01:55.00 | Mathman | Hi. I don't suppose anyone could recommend some software that would create a map of my network? or perhaps something like traceroute but with switches? |
| 01:55.15 | magyar | hi, how can i make/build a pear module? |
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| 01:55.38 | Andymeows | Hi, does anyone know anything about cars? |
| 01:55.48 | zinx | Andymeows: hello, welcome to #debian! |
| 01:56.45 | phix | lol |
| 01:56.59 | phix | Andymeows: they go fast |
| 01:57.11 | magyar | four wheels |
| 01:57.12 | zinx | phix: cars are off-topic here |
| 01:57.34 | Andymeows | well I'm kind of in trouble |
| 01:57.43 | phix | zinx: vroooom! psstttsshh! |
| 01:57.45 | magyar | yeap i'd say |
| 01:57.50 | somian | For sure |
| 01:57.52 | phix | heh |
| 01:57.53 | Andymeows | I'm on the phone with my girlfriend, and the battery light is going on |
| 01:57.54 | phix | ok I am over it :) |
| 01:58.14 | magyar | i smoke cheap crack |
| 01:58.16 | phix | girlfriends are also off topic :) |
| 01:58.25 | Andymeows | and the speedometer just went down to 0 |
| 01:58.33 | zinx | nearly all phones are too |
| 01:59.01 | magyar | hell you say |
| 01:59.02 | phix | zinx: except for hurd powered debian phones. |
| 01:59.03 | bluesceada | Andymeows: eh so what is the problem |
| 01:59.03 | phix | ? |
| 01:59.20 | Andymeows | I'm not sure |
| 01:59.21 | bluesceada | hurd will be released soon :) |
| 01:59.23 | bluesceada | ;-) |
| 01:59.31 | magyar | a new car |
| 01:59.34 | zinx | blue: is this the year of HURD? |
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| 01:59.47 | bluesceada | zinx: of course, like all the years before :D |
| 02:00.00 | namit_hom1 | anyone know anything about pxe because pxe channel no one is talking ? |
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| 02:00.41 | magyar | clue me in on how to instal pear modules on debian "fileinfo" |
| 02:00.44 | bluesceada | Andymeows: girlfriend or car ? |
| 02:00.49 | Andymeows | car |
| 02:00.50 | magyar | can anyone help a brother? |
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| 02:01.07 | bluesceada | Andymeows: and how are you online from your car |
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| 02:01.20 | Andymeows | I'm on the phone with my girlfriend |
| 02:01.25 | magyar | wifi i guess |
| 02:01.33 | magyar | hi honey |
| 02:01.52 | magyar | how was your hour? |
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| 02:02.45 | magyar | to bad abrotman is not in this conversation |
| 02:03.30 | bluesceada | too bad i have to go sleep now |
| 02:03.55 | magyar | you rather talk to your girlfreind on the cell phone? |
| 02:03.56 | bluesceada | now full of rebellious thinkings because of the zeitgeistmovie |
| 02:04.06 | bluesceada | no i rather have her in the bed |
| 02:04.25 | Lethargy_4 | if he was I my eyes would be blurry by all the screens, would need to capture it just to see what is going on. |
| 02:04.28 | magyar | i rather have her on the........ouch |
| 02:04.30 | bluesceada | it's 4 at night here |
| 02:04.44 | bluesceada | and i have to stand up early (for 4 at night sleep time that is) |
| 02:05.11 | magyar | i stand up early on regular basis :) |
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| 02:05.29 | Lethargy_4 | after reading that I have to standup lol! |
| 02:05.49 | magyar | -_- |
| 02:06.02 | Lethargy_4 | rofl |
| 02:06.15 | bluesceada | hmm .. sleeping and dreaming about my girlfriend and to have a linux-image-2.6.22 soon with iwlwifi, tickless, working ti card reader ... |
| 02:06.48 | magyar | uhhh, i'd stand up for that |
| 02:06.51 | magyar | too |
| 02:07.09 | magyar | the first part that is |
| 02:07.10 | Lethargy_4 | yeah you could run some benches, for us to see the improvement, of the tickless kernel. |
| 02:07.26 | Lethargy_4 | doubt most people could tell the difference. |
| 02:07.33 | gravity | What is this... brag about your girlfriend hour? |
| 02:07.45 | magyar | oh-ohh |
| 02:08.00 | magyar | hide your girlfreinds quick |
| 02:08.39 | magyar | so i sid here and code the new module for fileinfo |
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| 02:08.51 | magyar | sit |
| 02:09.08 | shingouz | magyar: sid there? means you break things? :p |
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| 02:09.13 | magyar | i think and write debian |
| 02:09.17 | bluesceada | i hope to see battery time improvements |
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| 02:09.58 | magyar | so you can chat with your girlfreind longer? |
| 02:10.59 | magyar | nothing kills a battery life like vista |
| 02:11.21 | magyar | 20 minutes on a brand new laptop at full charge |
| 02:11.43 | bluesceada | lol |
| 02:11.46 | magyar | typing email |
| 02:11.48 | shingouz | magyar: then do not install vista |
| 02:11.58 | bluesceada | i also hate it vista was preinstalled here |
| 02:12.00 | magyar | tell that to asus |
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| 02:12.12 | magyar | it's long gone now |
| 02:12.38 | bluesceada | it's still here as i need some windows .. still waiting to be replaced by xp, but i'M lazy |
| 02:12.40 | magyar | shingouz: if one doesnt try it, will never know what missery really is |
| 02:12.57 | bluesceada | sitting and wasting big fat 15gb just for the system |
| 02:13.00 | magyar | thats the mono of OEM's |
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| 02:13.10 | bluesceada | anyway now i really should sleep |
| 02:13.12 | bluesceada | good night |
| 02:13.16 | magyar | gn |
| 02:14.15 | magyar | douhh |
| 02:14.35 | somian | I missed stuff, did that guy's car finally burn and explode, killing him painfully and melting his cellphone? |
| 02:14.53 | magyar | good horor flick |
| 02:15.05 | somian | .oO(If I thought there was any reality i'd never say such a thing) |
| 02:15.31 | magyar | right |
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| 02:16.04 | somian | magyar: i had a Vista experience too :) |
| 02:16.31 | magyar | cellphones are one of the most causes of violent car crashes |
| 02:16.41 | magyar | one of the most causes |
| 02:16.44 | magyar | i suck |
| 02:16.56 | somian | magyar: it came preinstalled on a Acer laptop I purchased in February; I used it for 2 days to see how it was ... |
| 02:17.10 | somian | Before I wiped it and installed GNU/Linux |
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| 02:17.25 | somian | Obscene consumption of system resources |
| 02:17.39 | somian | I agree about the cellphones |
| 02:17.53 | magyar | yeah, I found it a bit slugish, and painfully anoying |
| 02:18.16 | magyar | nice eye candy for some i bet |
| 02:18.21 | magyar | just like os-x |
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| 02:18.54 | magyar | is this debian? or defocus? |
| 02:19.47 | magyar | the software that takes the cake on OS-X is Mac mail |
| 02:19.49 | somian | #distraction |
| 02:19.57 | magyar | what a peice of work that is |
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| 02:21.18 | magyar | kde's kontact is better |
| 02:22.00 | abrotman | how is kontact like osx mail ? |
| 02:22.13 | magyar | hey abrotman |
| 02:22.24 | abrotman | one is a mail app .. the other a PIM |
| 02:23.01 | magyar | was a joke, lame but a joke |
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| 02:24.37 | magyar | pear modules <<< how do i install them? |
| 02:24.45 | knx | how can I do to restrict my ssh access only to authorized dsa keys? |
| 02:25.04 | abrotman | turn off interactive logins .. man sshd_config |
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| 02:25.33 | abrotman | magyar: pear install <module> ? .. there's a man page for the pear module installer thingie |
| 02:26.21 | knx | abrotman thanks |
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| 02:27.56 | peterS | magyar: have you looked at the php-pear package? |
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| 02:28.56 | magyar | abrotman: thanks a lot, worked like a dream |
| 02:29.31 | magyar | peterS, i needed "fileinfo" which is a pcel module |
| 02:29.43 | knx | abrotman I've a Debian Etch 4.0 in my new server.. I've installed VMware Server 1.0.3.. the virtual machine is windows 2003 server.. and.. after reboot.. this vm doesn't set up.. u know why? any common error? is a kernel? |
| 02:29.59 | abrotman | i don't use vmware |
| 02:30.25 | knx | hmm.. |
| 02:30.25 | abrotman | you might want to ask #vmware |
| 02:30.34 | peterS | or #windows |
| 02:30.38 | knx | ok abrotman, thanks man |
| 02:30.43 | streuner | or vmware itselfs |
| 02:30.48 | abrotman | ##windows technically i suppose |
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| 02:31.05 | peterS | well, if Microsoft doesn't officially sponsor the channel, I guess that'd be right |
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| 02:31.44 | peterS | and I suppose Windows isn't really a peer-directed project, by which I think lilo meant open source |
| 02:31.58 | peterS | but then, neither is VMWare |
| 02:32.17 | Wyzard | knx: I've run Win2003 in VMware in Debian and not had any problems with it |
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| 02:32.25 | knx | thnaks peterS |
| 02:32.28 | knx | *thanks |
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| 02:32.53 | knx | Wyzard I dont know why.. |
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| 02:33.04 | Wyzard | knx: "this vm doesn't set up" ? |
| 02:33.06 | magyar | for profit based organizations |
| 02:33.23 | Wyzard | knx: I assume you meant "start", not "set", but what happens when you try to boot it? |
| 02:33.24 | knx | after reboot the physical machine.. I cant set up the vm |
| 02:33.27 | magyar | with help of a good freind visa |
| 02:33.41 | knx | Wyzard yess... sorry for my bad english |
| 02:33.59 | Wyzard | knx: Do other virtual machines work? (Try installing Debian in a VM, for example) |
| 02:34.15 | Wyzard | knx: It might be that the VMware daemons failed to start |
| 02:34.28 | knx | Wyzard hmm.. wait.. Im make it now |
| 02:34.51 | knx | Wyzard the vmware server is ok.. all proccess |
| 02:34.56 | Wyzard | ok |
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| 02:35.08 | knx | but the windows 2003 server dont start |
| 02:35.14 | Wyzard | What error message do you get? (And is the message from VMware, or from Windows within the VM?) |
| 02:35.22 | knx | START... but I cant access it |
| 02:35.31 | vol | Hey guy, i just dist-upgraded and now nvidia wont compile and the error is something about nvidia nongpl code trying to use a gpl only command. Does the .21 kernel break nvidia support? |
| 02:35.47 | Wyzard | vol: Yes, that's a bug in 2.6.19 through 2.6.21 |
| 02:36.05 | Wyzard | vol: though for some reason I didn't encounter it on amd64 2.6.21 |
| 02:36.23 | Wyzard | vol: but anyway, it's supposedly fixed in 2.6.22, which was released a few days ago and will probably go into unstable in a few days more |
| 02:36.45 | vol | Ok thanks for the info. Ill stick with .18 for now |
| 02:37.04 | CompWizdr | there's a setting in the vmware configuration for the vmware client to auto start when vmware host starts |
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| 02:38.46 | knx | Wyzard hey man.. after I click in "take snapshot" the physical machine down.. after this "click" the VM dont start |
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| 02:39.12 | Wyzard | knx: Again, what happens when you try to start it? |
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| 02:39.36 | Wyzard | knx: Do you get an error message? |
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| 02:40.28 | knx | Wyzard after reboot: http://pastebin.ca/617197 |
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| 02:41.50 | Wyzard | knx: So VMware itself is running |
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| 02:42.03 | Wyzard | knx: but what happens when you try to start the virtual machine itself? |
| 02:42.07 | somian | wrt the nvidia stuff ... |
| 02:42.23 | somian | Whoa, man, knowledgable much? |
| 02:42.26 | Wyzard | knx: i.e. you run the vmware console and click the "start" button, and instead of starting the VM... what happens? |
| 02:42.38 | simonrvn | #vmware is not here |
| 02:42.58 | Wyzard | simonrvn: I know; I just want to determine whether it's a Debian problem, a VMware bug, or a Windows problem |
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| 02:43.19 | streuner | if you going to support vmware do that elsewhere |
| 02:43.20 | simonrvn | usually windows ;p |
| 02:43.58 | Wyzard | somian: http://debian-user.blogspot.com/2007/05/nvidia-binary-drivers-and-2620-and_29.html |
| 02:44.19 | Wyzard | somian: The bug is that the paravirt_ops table wasn't intended to be GPL-only |
| 02:44.21 | somian | :-) |
| 02:46.07 | somian | Only thing is, ick, the HTML on that blog site breaks in FFx |
| 02:46.32 | knx | Wyzard yes... look this image: (pvt) |
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| 02:47.51 | Azar | so is true: "Apple Inc. has trademarked the Common UNIX Printing System, CUPS, and CUPS logo." |
| 02:48.08 | Azar | http://lwn.net/Articles/241522/ |
| 02:48.09 | JordiGH | Azar: The end times are near. |
| 02:48.17 | knx | Wyzard you look? |
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| 02:48.41 | JordiGH | There really ought to be a way to prevent that kind of thing. Does this mean that CUPS will have to be removed from Debian? Or at least DFSGed? |
| 02:48.45 | knx | Wyzard srv1furlan is a windows 2003 vm |
| 02:49.06 | Azar | guess we gotta change the name like with firefox |
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| 02:49.14 | somian | Erm, that doesn't seem scary |
| 02:49.22 | peterS | man, talk about a Tentacles of Evil test |
| 02:49.24 | somian | That's just a tradmark |
| 02:49.36 | abrotman | Azar: linux is a trademarked name |
| 02:49.42 | somian | Exactly! |
| 02:49.47 | Azar | damn I can't understand the legalese.. |
| 02:49.54 | JordiGH | I'm kinda surprised that this hasn't come up in d-legal or d-devel yet. |
| 02:50.00 | abrotman | why? |
| 02:50.09 | Wyzard | knx: I haven't seen any private messages from you |
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| 02:50.11 | abrotman | it's irrelevant unless they enforce the trademark in an evil way |
| 02:50.16 | Azar | can't understand: To use them in derivative products, please contract Apple Inc. for written permission." |
| 02:50.32 | knx | Wyzard why? |
| 02:50.34 | Azar | what that means, abrotman? |
| 02:50.40 | abrotman | exactly what i said |
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| 02:50.53 | abrotman | knx: Wyzard /join #knx |
| 02:51.01 | abrotman | knx isn't registered |
| 02:51.03 | JordiGH | But that means we have to guarantee permission for all Debian users, no? |
| 02:51.06 | Azar | ok so we still can use cups? |
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| 02:51.15 | knx | abrotman thanks |
| 02:51.19 | GAY-LINUXER | hi guys! does anybody knows if hdparm comes with debian netinstall? |
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| 02:51.36 | peterS | hmmm, was that premature? |
| 02:51.37 | somian | ? |
| 02:51.40 | abrotman | perhaps :) |
| 02:51.47 | somian | It seemed so from here |
| 02:51.51 | peterS | somian: gnaa trolls yesterday used the same irc gateway |
| 02:51.53 | MasterGH | Hi, I'm compiling the latest pidgin version with --nogtkui so I can try finch, but is there a package for it so I don't have to do it in the future? |
| 02:51.55 | Nyle | what |
| 02:51.55 | Azar | well if he bailed the ban.. |
| 02:51.59 | somian | That's different |
| 02:52.01 | JordiGH | What if he really was GAY? |
| 02:52.10 | somian | He was still an idiot |
| 02:52.14 | JordiGH | Oh, it wasn't a homophobic attack? N/m. |
| 02:52.28 | zamuro | JordiGH: He should go to #ubuntu instead xD |
| 02:52.30 | abrotman | somian: there are worse questions here |
| 02:52.44 | somian | peterS++ #keeping track of gateways |
| 02:52.57 | peterS | somian: actually stew just called my attention to it |
| 02:53.03 | JordiGH | Isn't our current fearless leader associated to GNAA? |
| 02:53.05 | peterS | my trigger finger was itchier than his |
| 02:53.11 | Nyle | yo peterS |
| 02:53.21 | Nyle | did you ever ban that stoned guy? |
| 02:53.25 | streuner | JordiGH: no |
| 02:53.31 | peterS | Nyle: I will if he keeps suggesting it |
| 02:53.35 | Nyle | lol hehe |
| 02:53.35 | JordiGH | streuner: But he hosts one of their pages! |
| 02:53.43 | streuner | bullshit |
| 02:53.45 | JordiGH | streuner: And that interview... where he admitted involvement! |
| 02:53.49 | streuner | see what he wrote about |
| 02:54.32 | Nyle | what is a gnaa? |
| 02:54.38 | JordiGH | So anyways, what's the deal with g95 and gfortran? |
| 02:54.47 | JordiGH | Nyle: Gay Nigger Association of America, iirc. |
| 02:54.52 | peterS | is there a g95? I thought it was just gfortran |
| 02:54.52 | streuner | argh |
| 02:54.52 | Nyle | oh |
| 02:55.10 | JordiGH | peterS: One of those forkthings... |
| 02:55.13 | streuner | !kill JordiGH for mention the nasty word |
| 02:55.16 | Nyle | so whats the problem |
| 02:55.24 | Nyle | let people be gay, you can't change their race either. |
| 02:55.30 | JordiGH | streuner: It's not a nasty word in my jurisdiction. |
| 02:55.30 | peterS | JordiGH: I thought gfortran _was_ the g95 fork, reintegrated into the gcc codebase |
| 02:55.44 | peterS | as opposed to, you know, g77 |
| 02:55.46 | JordiGH | peterS: No. g95.org, gnu.org/fortran |
| 02:55.52 | somian | Then you are a first-class ignorant jackass, JordiGH |
| 02:56.02 | streuner | argh |
| 02:56.02 | Nyle | fortran77 was taught to us in 5th grade |
| 02:56.12 | Nyle | damn that was a long time ago |
| 02:56.13 | somian | plonk. |
| 02:56.14 | JordiGH | somian: And you're going to ban Huckleberry Finn too? |
| 02:56.19 | stew | somian: stop |
| 02:56.21 | stew | JordiGH: drop it |
| 02:56.27 | somian | All over. |
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| 02:56.46 | somian | That's why I got run out. Zero-tolerance. |
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| 02:57.31 | Nyle | look everybody I'm so amazing, check me out. |
| 02:57.49 | Nyle | ahh boy |
| 02:58.21 | JordiGH | peterS: So I guess you have no idea which one to use. :-) |
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| 02:58.45 | somian | And I strongly believe in the Amish custom of "shunning". |
| 02:58.49 | Azar | hmm seen this? http://www.cups.org/articles.php?L179+I0+T+M10+P1+Q |
| 02:58.51 | peterS | JordiGH: nope. I thought gfortran was the merging of a fortran 95 fork, so. |
| 02:59.13 | peterS | yes |
| 02:59.28 | JordiGH | Azar: Those exceptions have been there for years, though. |
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| 03:00.18 | JordiGH | I don't get these people who use the GPL but basically kill its copyleft clauses. What's the point, then? |
| 03:00.34 | Azar | JordiGH: yeah, but now that they "bought" cups they might have another meaning.. |
| 03:00.46 | peterS | Azar: once something has hit slashdot, you can pretty much assume lots of people in here have seen it |
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| 03:00.56 | Azar | rumor is they bought it to avoid the GPLv3 |
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| 03:01.25 | JordiGH | Azar: I read the slashdot article too. :-) |
| 03:01.26 | Azar | peterS: I did not believe the /. until I saw it on lwn |
| 03:01.32 | Marcham | who here is the admin |
| 03:01.40 | Azar | we all are |
| 03:01.45 | Azar | I am admin on my box |
| 03:01.50 | streuner | Marcham: admin of irc server? |
| 03:01.56 | JordiGH | Marcham: You can get the chanops attention with the !ops command. |
| 03:02.01 | streuner | no |
| 03:02.05 | stew | Marcham: do you have a debian related question? |
| 03:02.17 | peterS | Azar: the slashdot article links to cups.org, why wouldn't that be trustworthy? |
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| 03:02.22 | Marcham | did u guys just boot some guy? |
| 03:02.29 | JordiGH | *sigh* |
| 03:02.35 | Marcham | what? |
| 03:02.43 | peterS | Marcham: I just booted some guy. |
| 03:02.50 | JordiGH | Can't some guy just talk for himself? |
| 03:02.53 | Azar | peterS: because abrotman said they are not trustworthy.... tabloid.. ? |
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| 03:03.15 | Azar | JordiGH: let the ops take this |
| 03:03.18 | peterS | Azar: slashdot is not trustworthy. however, information on cups.org should be trustworthy when it is talking about the CUPS project, I should think |
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| 03:03.41 | Azar | peterS: yeah, it was a pretty big fish .. |
| 03:04.20 | Throat | fish? |
| 03:04.22 | Throat | what kind |
| 03:04.26 | streuner | Why, do you think, they need CUPS at all? |
| 03:04.28 | Throat | trout? |
| 03:04.30 | somian | eels! |
| 03:04.39 | Throat | thats not a fish |
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| 03:04.44 | Throat | dolphins |
| 03:04.48 | Throat | ops, neither |
| 03:04.57 | somian | My hovercraft is full of eels. I should think I know whether they are fish or not ;) |
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| 03:05.08 | Throat | did you ask them? |
| 03:05.31 | JordiGH | Azar: MacOS X runs on CUPS. |
| 03:05.33 | blow_fish | your hovercraft? |
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| 03:05.53 | Throat | hehe |
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| 03:05.55 | somian | Does no one knoe Monty Python anymore? |
| 03:06.24 | Throat | I am the sand in the wheels of your conversation |
| 03:06.25 | Throat | hehe |
| 03:06.32 | JordiGH | somian: Yes we do. All too well: http://xkcd.com/c16.html |
| 03:06.47 | Throat | Monthy what? |
| 03:06.52 | Throat | ;) |
| 03:07.06 | Throat | anyways, pythons aren't a fish either |
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| 03:07.13 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-0e41b448f419b51a] by peterS |
| 03:07.16 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 03:07.41 | Throat | and I thought you wanted to kick me for being a nuisance |
| 03:07.59 | Azar | JordiGH: yes because they bought a license in the past.. |
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| 03:08.35 | Throat | ? |
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| 03:08.44 | Throat | Excess Flood? |
| 03:08.54 | Throat | mustve missed that |
| 03:09.12 | somian | .oO(along with biology class) |
| 03:09.22 | peterS | Throat: the excess flood presumably happened on another channel. but this is not #irc-technology, so it's a bit off-topic |
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| 03:09.56 | Kalamansi | hi is there a program in linux to mimic active directory in windows? |
| 03:10.12 | peterS | Kalamansi: this is #debian, not #windows |
| 03:10.18 | stew | Kalamansi: apt-cache search slapd |
| 03:10.19 | JordiGH | What's active directory? |
| 03:10.23 | stew | JordiGH: ldap |
| 03:10.28 | peterS | oh you said in linux, you probably mean openldap, but openldap isn't exactly like active directory |
| 03:10.32 | JordiGH | Oh. |
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| 03:10.51 | peterS | I mean, active directory implements ldap, but they implement some extensions too |
| 03:10.52 | Azar | yeah I forgot about that stuff too.. |
| 03:11.35 | olan | basic user here, can anyone tell me how do I switch to using unstable with apt-get, and secondly how do I search for package with wildcards ? |
| 03:11.43 | Kalamansi | peterS: i want debian to handle that active directory |
| 03:12.08 | streuner | olan: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 03:12.15 | pingouin | how fonts works with Etch+Xorg ? |
| 03:12.19 | Madd_Matt | I might be dense, but I can't seem to understand the man page for module-assistant. Is there a way to build modules for a kernel other than the running one? I'd like to rebuild my modules before rebooting into the new kernel. (upgrading from 2.6.18 to .21, stock debian kernels) |
| 03:12.20 | De_Mon | Im trying to play starcraft over battlenet with 2 clients behind the same NAT... I've found some iptables scripts that are supposed to work, but the two clients still get out of sync and timeout if anyone outside the lan tries to play with them |
| 03:12.21 | streuner | olan: /msg dpkg search |
| 03:12.27 | JordiGH | Packages with wildcards? Just specify a partial name. |
| 03:13.01 | pingouin | where are they ? how can i add new fonts and be able to use them in Openoffice or other software , like scribus etc... ? |
| 03:13.02 | Throat | peterS, is it #fortran? :) |
| 03:13.04 | De_Mon | Madd_Matt the modules are built against source or headers for a kernel, wheather its running is irrelevant |
| 03:13.30 | Kalamansi | active directory equivalent of windows 2003 server peterS |
| 03:13.33 | De_Mon | Madd_Matt imagine, how do people upgrade kernels if they can't build modules for a new kernel? |
| 03:13.37 | JordiGH | !font guide |
| 03:13.38 | dpkg | it has been said that font guide is (temporarily) bob2's Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused: http://www.ncee.net/shane/font_guide.txt (previously at http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt) |
| 03:13.38 | Madd_Matt | De_Mon, when i do m-a a-i module it builds for the running one. |
| 03:14.07 | stew | can bob2's font guide still possibly be current? |
| 03:14.19 | streuner | no |
| 03:14.22 | peterS | stew: not likely, he wrote it in the woody era |
| 03:14.31 | De_Mon | oh.. using m-a I missed that part, never messed with it |
| 03:14.39 | streuner | stew: his website is/was down too |
| 03:15.03 | JordiGH | And it has a .txt extension. |
| 03:15.19 | JordiGH | Hehehe... that extension is about as useless as a .file extension. :P |
| 03:15.21 | Madd_Matt | De_Mon, yeah, don't worry about it, I can take care of myself. I'm still learning the debian tools for doing things. :P |
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| 03:15.57 | sandman | If I want my system to reboot when it freezes, it appears that all I must do is aptitude install watchdog |
| 03:15.59 | sandman | Is this accurate? |
| 03:16.32 | Azar | bob2 is from the heyday of woody.. |
| 03:16.52 | streuner | !woody |
| 03:16.52 | dpkg | i guess woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>. |
| 03:17.03 | streuner | rather potato then :-) |
| 03:17.23 | JordiGH | Btw... didn't anyone think of all the obvious jokes that arise from naming it "woody"? |
| 03:17.32 | Azar | streuner: possibly, I only enjoyed bob2 on his last days when woody was the "thing" |
| 03:17.39 | Kalamansi | first time to use linux here in philippines |
| 03:17.39 | JordiGH | Maybe I'm childish... actually, I am, but... woody?L |
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| 03:18.04 | Throat | now the guy Madd_Matt is gone... pft, what did I look it up for now |
| 03:18.11 | peterS | JordiGH: yes. * maria has just come across a problem with debian <maria> we have a server here called viagra, for a variety of complicated reasons <maria> so i just said, out loud, "are we running woody on viagra?" |
| 03:18.12 | Throat | anyone still interested? |
| 03:18.14 | Azar | JordiGH: no, because we knew what "woody" was here. |
| 03:18.19 | streuner | Azar: well, you didnt say much at that time then :-) |
| 03:18.20 | Kalamansi | setup of the office is router > server > switch >workstation |
| 03:18.21 | peterS | JordiGH: that quote is from February 2004 |
| 03:18.21 | De_Mon | looks like m-a prepare is how you set the headers to compile against |
| 03:18.36 | Kalamansi | how to install gcc? |
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| 03:18.41 | JordiGH | peterS: Classy. |
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| 03:18.53 | streuner | !b-e Kalamansi |
| 03:18.54 | dpkg | Kalamansi: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 03:18.54 | Azar | streuner: I was younger, scared, and thrilled .. not much to say.. just sweat and shake |
| 03:18.56 | JordiGH | Kalamansi: get build-essential. It's unlikely you want gcc on itsself. |
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| 03:19.10 | Throat | pft... anyways, module assistant has the option --kvers-list |
| 03:19.46 | Azar | streuner: keeping in mind that my first Debian install and configuration was mentored by a gentoo user.. |
| 03:20.00 | streuner | hehe |
| 03:20.05 | Kalamansi | JordiGH:it should be install under root?sorry for my english... |
| 03:20.33 | gay-linuxer | hi! does anybody knows if hdparm comes with debian netinst? |
| 03:20.36 | JordiGH | Kalamansi: Yes. Well, it can be installed as a normal user, but not in an easy way. |
| 03:21.01 | Kalamansi | how to install sir? |
| 03:21.09 | JordiGH | Is a one month backlog of the NEW queue anything to worry about? |
| 03:21.24 | peterS | JordiGH: it's not unusual. that's how the NEW queue used to always be |
| 03:21.34 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: not really, since there's not much that non-ftpmasters can do about it |
| 03:21.38 | Azar | gay-linuxer: I doubt since dpkg is saying: |
| 03:21.39 | JordiGH | Kalamansi: Heh, don't call me "sir". You make me feel old. Jordi will do. As root, do "aptitude install build-essential" |
| 03:21.41 | Azar | !hdparm |
| 03:21.42 | dpkg | i guess hdparm is the HD tuning tool. It's also very dangerous, don't blame us if it makes you lose data. If your IDE drive seems sluggish, you should experiment with hdparm with the following options: unmasked irq (on), I/O support (3, 32bit w/sync), and multcount (16) and using dma (on), or read http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html, or apt-get install hdparm and RTFM :) |
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| 03:22.01 | Azar | gay-linuxer: so I guess you install it on your own, after installation |
| 03:22.14 | gay-linuxer | azar: ok, thank you |
| 03:22.15 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Didn't fearless leader just call for help with NEW? |
| 03:22.51 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: right, but thats for people to become ftpmasters |
| 03:23.17 | JordiGH | peterS: So it used to always be like that... and in recent times was, what? A week, two? |
| 03:23.20 | gay-linuxer | azar: do you know if the kernel that comes with debian is modified like the kernel that comes with fedora or if it is pure? |
| 03:23.51 | Throat | it's got debian patches |
| 03:23.56 | peterS | JordiGH: the phenomenon of having an almost-empty NEW queue is perhaps 6 months old |
| 03:24.01 | gay-linuxer | azar: i am asking this because i've a lot of trouble running fedora on my computer,and slackware goes fast |
| 03:24.06 | Throat | no idea if they are any like the one fedora uses |
| 03:24.21 | peterS | we differ from fedora in one important respect: we don't use selinux by default |
| 03:24.31 | peterS | that could make a big difference if you're "having trouble" with fedora |
| 03:24.40 | gay-linuxer | yes |
| 03:25.10 | JordiGH | peterS: I guess it slowed down again post-etch release? This is the first time I even look at NEW. |
| 03:25.25 | gay-linuxer | well i will give a try to debian, thank you very much |
| 03:25.32 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it's slowed down because Ganneff, the one person who was actually doing it, has been busy. |
| 03:25.40 | stew | Ganneff probably took a break |
| 03:25.41 | stew | heh, yeah |
| 03:25.43 | dondelelcaro | (with things like Debconf) |
| 03:26.07 | Kalamansi | jordigH:i see.but it needs a cd right?i forgot to bring my cd debian.its not mine i just borrowed it from a friend |
| 03:26.27 | Kalamansi | jordigH: so hard to buy linux here in philippines |
| 03:26.30 | gay-linuxer | bye |
| 03:26.32 | Kalamansi | so hard to find |
| 03:26.38 | JordiGH | Kalamansi: If you web access, you can also get it off the web. I don't know fast your connection is, though. |
| 03:26.47 | JordiGH | It's hard to buy linux anywhere. :-) |
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| 03:26.51 | JordiGH | Well, not exactly. |
| 03:27.21 | Kalamansi | jordigH: riting extended state information... Done |
| 03:27.22 | Kalamansi | Media Change: Please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20070407-11:55' in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter |
| 03:27.40 | JordiGH | Kalamansi: Is your internet connection good enough to download, say, 60 megabytes? |
| 03:27.43 | Kalamansi | JordiGH: i have fast connection.im using dsl |
| 03:27.48 | Kalamansi | yes sir |
| 03:27.51 | Kalamansi | im sorry |
| 03:27.52 | JordiGH | Kalamansi: Ok, then... |
| 03:27.53 | JordiGH | No sir~ |
| 03:27.53 | JordiGH | ! |
| 03:27.55 | Kalamansi | jorgiH yes |
| 03:27.58 | Kalamansi | sorry sorry |
| 03:28.00 | JordiGH | Hehehe... |
| 03:28.02 | Kalamansi | please forgive me... |
| 03:28.09 | Kalamansi | im excited to use debian |
| 03:28.12 | JordiGH | Ok, but first, give me 20 pushups! |
| 03:28.15 | Kalamansi | i want this to be my server |
| 03:28.19 | Kalamansi | okay |
| 03:28.20 | Kalamansi | wait |
| 03:28.26 | JordiGH | ? |
| 03:28.28 | Kalamansi | hehe |
| 03:28.31 | JordiGH | Oh. |
| 03:28.33 | Kalamansi | i thought you want me to push up |
| 03:28.38 | Kalamansi | sorry for my english |
| 03:28.45 | Kalamansi | im using DSL |
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| 03:28.59 | JordiGH | Anyways, you have to edit your sources.list file to use internet sources instead of the CD. |
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| 03:29.09 | Kalamansi | okay |
| 03:29.17 | Kalamansi | how jordigH? |
| 03:29.20 | JordiGH | It's in /etc/apt/sources.list I don't know what a good internet mirror |
| 03:29.28 | Kalamansi | i see... |
| 03:29.35 | JordiGH | is for the Phillipines. |
| 03:29.50 | simonrvn | !mirrors |
| 03:29.50 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
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| 03:30.12 | simonrvn | hm, well, there's probably one close to there.. |
| 03:30.15 | JordiGH | Oh, right. apt-setup. I forgot about that. Probably what you want to use. |
| 03:30.31 | simonrvn | that doesn't exist anymore afaik |
| 03:30.50 | JordiGH | simonrvn: Maybe a server in some transpacific ferry. ;-) |
| 03:31.09 | Throat | with CPIP? |
| 03:31.11 | simonrvn | ftp.hk.debian.org, ftp.jp.debian.org, |
| 03:31.14 | peterS | well, I'm told apt-setup is not shipped with etch, so. |
| 03:31.16 | simonrvn | more coming |
| 03:31.36 | JordiGH | Throat? |
| 03:31.41 | Throat | hm? |
| 03:31.46 | JordiGH | CPIP? |
| 03:32.12 | Throat | http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ |
| 03:32.24 | simonrvn | ftp2.jp.debian.org, ftp.kr.debian.org, ftp.nz.debian.org, ftp.tw.debian.org ; then there's the secondary mirror listings |
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| 03:32.35 | simonrvn | tw and hk are probably closest |
| 03:32.52 | JordiGH | Throat: Oh. I was thinking about a satellite, actually. :-) |
| 03:33.17 | Throat | CPIP (carrier pigeon internet protocol) |
| 03:33.24 | JordiGH | Kalamansi: If you don't have apt-setup, you'll have to manually edit sources.list |
| 03:33.29 | JordiGH | !sources.list |
| 03:33.29 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 03:33.36 | Throat | hm, I wonder |
| 03:33.40 | Throat | !CPIP |
| 03:33.40 | dpkg | cpip is, like, see http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ |
| 03:33.43 | Throat | ehe |
| 03:33.54 | Throat | i could have spared the efford to google for it :) |
| 03:34.07 | JordiGH | Silly .no'ians... |
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| 03:34.36 | Throat | 55% loss :) |
| 03:34.37 | simonrvn | Kalamansi: so you'll probably want cc to be tw or hk or jp or somewhere around there. i didn't see a main mirror for phillipines |
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| 03:35.47 | JordiGH | Throat: Did they use chickens instead of pigeons? This clearly is not a good implementation of the protocol. |
| 03:36.03 | Throat | JordiGH, there were some technical problems... |
| 03:36.11 | Kalamansi | simonrvn:ok ill use jp |
| 03:36.43 | Throat | JordiGH, when they started the pidgens, a huge swarm of pidgens flew up according to their report... and their pidgens joined them for some fun before going where they should |
| 03:36.44 | Kalamansi | what to type in the terminal? |
| 03:36.49 | simonrvn | Kalamansi: yeh, they tend to be fast |
| 03:36.55 | Kalamansi | just "/etc/apt/sources.list" ? |
| 03:37.09 | simonrvn | editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:37.10 | Throat | s/pidgens/pidgons/ |
| 03:37.20 | simonrvn | pidgeons |
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| 03:37.24 | Throat | jepp |
| 03:37.26 | Throat | there |
| 03:37.27 | Throat | ehe |
| 03:37.31 | simonrvn | :) |
| 03:37.32 | Throat | it's not impossible to type it |
| 03:37.41 | JordiGH | birds |
| 03:37.46 | Throat | thingyjummies |
| 03:37.49 | peterS | there are two words, pigeon and pidgin. they mean different things. I think you mean pigeon. |
| 03:38.03 | Throat | hehe |
| 03:38.11 | Throat | like in pigeon english |
| 03:38.30 | shingouz | Throat: chicken :p |
| 03:38.34 | peterS | I've never heard of pigeons who speak English. even the RFC 1149 ones. |
| 03:38.36 | Throat | hehe |
| 03:38.44 | Throat | they shouldve used ducks, anyways |
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| 03:39.54 | Throat | peterS: your time to tell us, that this is not #birds |
| 03:40.37 | peterS | I noticed hours ago that, despite what my own clocks say, it is Sunday |
| 03:41.11 | Azar | peterS: no I guess someone is skipping school/work.. :) |
| 03:41.38 | shingouz | not me, i am on a vacation... |
| 03:41.42 | Throat | at this time? |
| 03:42.04 | shingouz | it happens |
| 03:42.06 | Throat | dunno what timezome you're in, but here it's 22:43 |
| 03:42.17 | Azar | or we are seeing again "Home Alone" |
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| 03:42.55 | Throat | any skipping of work will have to wait until tomorrow |
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| 03:59.03 | DavidProck1981 | is there a way to do a defragment on an Ext3 partition? |
| 03:59.36 | DavidProck1981 | or something like a defragment |
| 04:00.01 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: There's a defrag for ext2, but I don't think it's safe to use on ext3 |
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| 04:00.04 | peterS | do you have reason to believe your filesystem is fragmented? |
| 04:00.22 | peterS | I ask because if you've kept it less than, say, 95% full, it probably isn't particularly |
| 04:00.28 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: FWIW, I believe there's a defragmenter being developed for ext4 |
| 04:00.31 | DavidProck1981 | i notice the drive slowingdown on reads and writes |
| 04:00.49 | DavidProck1981 | there is a ext4 ? |
| 04:01.09 | infernal_jesus | I'm having some trouble with the 915resolution. It tells me bios has been patched to 1440x900 but x still uses 1024x768 resolution, and in xorg.conf the resolution has been set to 1440x900 |
| 04:01.14 | peterS | ext4 is "being developed" along with Wyzard's defragmenter |
| 04:01.24 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: It's in development, not ready for general use yet |
| 04:02.17 | DavidProck1981 | what new features will the new ext4 have? , What advantage over ext3 |
| 04:02.48 | Wyzard | extents-based allocation, primarily |
| 04:02.54 | solitude- | hmm |
| 04:02.54 | solitude- | I have these 3 mines in my sources.list |
| 04:02.54 | solitude- | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:02.54 | solitude- | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:02.54 | solitude- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:03.00 | solitude- | but when i use apt-get, i get (2 No such file or directory) |
| 04:03.15 | solitude- | any idea why? |
| 04:03.17 | peterS | solitude-: don't paste. also, don't use non-us |
| 04:03.18 | solitude- | the internet conenction works fine |
| 04:03.25 | Wyzard | which means better performance and less disk space used by "bookkeeping" structures |
| 04:03.40 | solitude- | I still get: |
| 04:03.53 | solitude- | W: Couldn;t stat source package list |
| 04:04.02 | peterS | infernal_jesus: if you are using testing or unstable, you probably want to upgrade to xserver-xorg-video-intel which makes 915resolution obsolete, as the driver itself has this capability now |
| 04:04.07 | Guerin | solitude-: aptitude update |
| 04:04.17 | Guerin | solitude-: stop using apt-get -- use aptitude instead |
| 04:04.24 | solitude- | Ahhh |
| 04:04.26 | solitude- | noob mistake |
| 04:04.33 | solitude- | forgot to udpate it seems :) |
| 04:04.34 | solitude- | thanks |
| 04:04.48 | infernal_jesus | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.57 | solitude- | Ill stick with apt-get |
| 04:04.57 | solitude- | I havent seen any advantage to aptitude on a home system yet |
| 04:05.06 | Guerin | solitude-: then you haven't looked. |
| 04:05.10 | infernal_jesus | peterS: do I apt-get that package? |
| 04:05.26 | peterS | infernal_jesus: unfortunately, stable was frozen before that version of the driver was made available, so it doesn't include it |
| 04:05.27 | solitude- | Guerin, no. |
| 04:05.59 | peterS | "on a home system"? how are aptitude's advantages specific to a non-home system? |
| 04:06.00 | infernal_jesus | peterS: so... can I download that driver or..? |
| 04:06.24 | peterS | infernal_jesus: I don't know, honestly, how easy it is to build the driver for debian stable |
| 04:06.31 | solitude- | peterS, i said that, because ive only used it on my home sytem |
| 04:06.34 | Guerin | peterS: this is just one of the mysteries of the head-in-the-sand ap[titude-ain't-for-me brigade |
| 04:06.48 | infernal_jesus | peterS: What do I do to get that driver with 915resolution implemented.. it's just really annoying me, because it worked perfect on slackware |
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| 04:08.57 | solitude- | infernal_jesus, if you already have your driver orking, just apt-get 915resolution |
| 04:09.07 | solitude- | and do as you would on slack |
| 04:09.07 | infernal_jesus | solitude-: it doesn't work |
| 04:09.14 | peterS | infernal_jesus: you can try the classic backport: aptitude install build-essential devscripts; dget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-intel/xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.1.0-2.dsc; dpkg-source -x xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.1.0-2.dsc; cd xserver-xorg-video-intel-2.1.0; debuild -us -uc -b |
| 04:09.27 | Throat | Guerin, aptitude aint for me :) |
| 04:09.28 | Throat | hehe |
| 04:09.34 | peterS | infernal_jesus: this will probably complain about some other packages you'll need to install, so then you install those too |
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| 04:09.48 | peterS | and retry the debuild -us -uc -b |
| 04:11.32 | Throat | ehe |
| 04:11.33 | peterS | infernal_jesus: hmmm, examining the issue, it seems xserver-xorg itself is not new enough in stable for this package to want to build |
| 04:11.45 | Throat | Guerin, "Throat" is the short for CutMeOwnThroat :) |
| 04:11.53 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:11.58 | peterS | Throat: I assumed so. are you related to adrian von bidder? he goes by 'cmot' on irc |
| 04:12.06 | Throat | no |
| 04:12.18 | Throat | but I got Throat and CutMeOwnThroat registered |
| 04:12.22 | Throat | didnt bother about CMOT |
| 04:12.24 | peterS | I forget whether I've asked him whether cmot really does stand for that, but I think I did at one point |
| 04:12.27 | Throat | everyone can have a short nick |
| 04:12.47 | Throat | hard to imagine what else it should stand for |
| 04:12.50 | donny | should a Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x be really really slow (looks almost like software emulation) using almost every parameterization of glLogicOp()? |
| 04:12.55 | Throat | bidder and dibbler seems quite..... |
| 04:12.58 | Throat | well :) |
| 04:12.58 | donny | whoops, wrong channel |
| 04:13.14 | peterS | Throat: so I'm hungry, could I have a sausage? inna bun? |
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| 04:14.48 | solitude- | !why aptitude |
| 04:14.48 | solitude- | hmm |
| 04:14.48 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
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| 04:14.57 | solitude- | whats the diff between the debs of icewm and icewm-common ? |
| 04:15.17 | peterS | don't worry about the difference, use icewm |
| 04:15.23 | Wyzard | solitude-: icewm-common contains architecture-independent files which icewm needs |
| 04:15.27 | peterS | it will pull in icewm-common |
| 04:15.35 | solitude- | Right, thanks |
| 04:15.35 | Wyzard | solitude-: icewm contains architecture-dependent executable code |
| 04:15.36 | solitude- | Wow |
| 04:15.48 | solitude- | I just want konsole, and it has 90mb of dependencies |
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| 04:15.52 | solitude- | I want to cry |
| 04:16.06 | peterS | that's because konsole is a KDE app, so if you don't already have KDE, it thinks you should get a lot of it |
| 04:16.11 | Wyzard | solitude-: probably all the KDE libraries... why use Konsole if you aren't using KDE? |
| 04:16.15 | peterS | if you already have KDE installed, you won't see those extra 90 MG |
| 04:16.17 | peterS | MB |
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| 04:16.18 | solitude- | konsole has tabs |
| 04:16.22 | solitude- | and dont like KDE as a whole |
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| 04:16.23 | peterS | so does gnome-terminal |
| 04:16.29 | Wyzard | and probably others too |
| 04:16.30 | Throat | peterS, sure, which ones do you want, the normal or the (italics on) special (italics off) ones? |
| 04:16.30 | solitude- | it does now? |
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| 04:16.41 | Wyzard | solitude-: It has for quite a while |
| 04:16.42 | peterS | gnome-terminal has had tabs since about 2004 |
| 04:16.49 | solitude- | ¬_¬ |
| 04:16.54 | peterS | before that, the tabbed gnome terminal was called multi-gnome-terminal, or mgt |
| 04:17.02 | solitude- | multi-gnome-terminal ? |
| 04:17.16 | peterS | multi-gnome-terminal was made obsolete by GNOME 2.0, where gnome-terminal itself had tabs |
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| 04:17.25 | peterS | so mgt was only needed in GNOME 1.4 and earlier |
| 04:17.33 | solitude- | that has the description "Enhanced the GNOME terminal" |
| 04:17.42 | solitude- | It needs to be reworded :( |
| 04:17.45 | peterS | since we're now at like GNOME 2.18... that's a bit prehistoric |
| 04:17.52 | solitude- | wha |
| 04:17.53 | Wyzard | peterS: The original terminal in GNOME 2.0 didn't have tabs IIRC |
| 04:17.54 | solitude- | yes |
| 04:18.01 | solitude- | but gnome=terminal has 144mb of dependencies |
| 04:18.01 | Wyzard | They were added a few versions later |
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| 04:18.11 | solitude- | I want to cry even more now. |
| 04:18.29 | Throat | !why not aptitude |
| 04:18.29 | dpkg | aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. |
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| 04:18.31 | Throat | hehe |
| 04:18.37 | solitude- | :D |
| 04:18.41 | Wyzard | solitude-: apt-cache show mrxvt |
| 04:19.05 | solitude- | ooo, thanks |
| 04:19.14 | Wyzard | solitude-: or perhaps mrxvt-mini |
| 04:19.35 | Wyzard | solitude-: (I've never used this program... all I did was "apt-cache search tab terminal") |
| 04:19.39 | solitude- | 651kb :D |
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| 04:19.41 | solitude- | thats more like it |
| 04:20.30 | Throat | well, smart guy, but there's something missing |
| 04:20.38 | peterS | 651k ought to be enough for anyone |
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| 04:21.39 | Throat | Guerin, seriously - aptitude wants to remove all kinds of "unused" packages. Going through them will be so much of a hassle, that I'm putting it of for now (and maybe the rest of the century) |
| 04:22.07 | Guerin | Throat: yeah, that's because you can't mix apt-get and aptitude. |
| 04:22.32 | Guerin | Throat: purge and reinstall aptitude, then stick to it and the problem will solve itself. |
| 04:22.36 | peterS | Guerin: as of unstable, you can now. apt has a native 'auto installed' flag now, which aptitude has migrated to. |
| 04:22.52 | Guerin | peterS: oo, nifty. |
| 04:22.57 | peterS | but that's a rather recent (less than a month) development |
| 04:23.15 | Throat | Guerin, ok, perhaps I'll give that a try |
| 04:23.33 | Wyzard | peterS: They finally moved that flag down to dpkg's database rather than aptitude-specific extended metadata? |
| 04:23.38 | peterS | Wyzard: yep |
| 04:23.49 | peterS | Wyzard: ...well, apt's database. I don't think dpkg knows about it. |
| 04:23.58 | Wyzard | ah |
| 04:24.02 | Wyzard | Still, that's close enough |
| 04:24.20 | Wyzard | Now all we need is for a freshly-installed copy of Debian to have auto flags set appropriately on packages... |
| 04:24.20 | peterS | yeah, bare dpkg has no business trying to remove stuff automatically |
| 04:24.37 | peterS | Wyzard: wait for lenny, I bet it'll be in there |
| 04:24.37 | solitude- | O_o |
| 04:24.40 | solitude- | startx failed |
| 04:24.44 | solitude- | odd |
| 04:24.49 | Wyzard | Well, I wasn't aware apt kept any metadata of its own |
| 04:24.57 | peterS | solitude-: ~/.xsession-errors should tell you why |
| 04:25.03 | solitude- | it would |
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| 04:25.07 | solitude- | if i could get to any terminal |
| 04:25.14 | peterS | Wyzard: see /var/lib/apt/ |
| 04:25.15 | solitude- | alt-ctrl-number seems to fail |
| 04:25.16 | Wyzard | aptitude does, of course, but I thought apt-get just uses the dpkg info about what's installed and not installed |
| 04:26.09 | Wyzard | peterS: I mean per-package metadata, not the package lists... I see an extended_states file there now, containing the auto flags, but that seems to be the only per-package metadata |
| 04:26.09 | solitude- | all ive done is install the netinstal, confiigure network cards, updated sources, and installed xorg and icewm -.- |
| 04:26.32 | solitude- | ah |
| 04:26.35 | solitude- | a reboot fixes it! |
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| 04:26.45 | peterS | Wyzard: right, I think other per-package data it just leaves to dpkg. so like it uses dpkg's status file but not its available file |
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| 04:28.16 | ElbobLives | freende |
| 04:28.21 | shingouz | why, oh why does hamachi give me an ip but i cannot ping or access the frigging ip in any way? my route shows that ham0 is the interface for any and all traffic to the 5.x.x.x network like it should |
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| 04:28.42 | Wyzard | hamachi doesn't seem to be packaged in Debian |
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| 04:29.51 | shingouz | Wyzard: don't i know it.... besides it is proprietary etc crap |
| 04:30.04 | Wyzard | oh, it's not open-source? |
| 04:30.06 | Wyzard | didn't know that |
| 04:30.14 | solitude- | unsurprisingy. |
| 04:30.19 | solitude- | +l |
| 04:30.34 | solitude- | shingouz, packet filtering? |
| 04:30.34 | solitude- | nope |
| 04:30.34 | solitude- | its closed source freeware |
| 04:30.36 | shingouz | neat though, it can pierce firewalls and nats (when it can actually be made useful) |
| 04:30.45 | solitude- | its awesome software |
| 04:30.56 | peterS | shingouz: so it's probably illegal in Germany now |
| 04:31.09 | shingouz | heh. luckily i am not in .de |
| 04:31.20 | peterS | just like nmap |
| 04:31.26 | peterS | ("hacking tools") |
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| 04:32.27 | Throat | Wyzard, and for an old installed system to get the auto flags set correctly in an automated fashion :) |
| 04:32.54 | shingouz | actually, let me rephrase the question a bit. if i have a default gateway on eth0 to the internet for all other traffic, how do i tell route to use eth1 for all traffic aimed to 10.x.x.x? |
| 04:32.55 | Wyzard | Throat: nah, I don't care about that... I've already set them appropriately on my existing installs |
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| 04:33.41 | shingouz | peterS: that does not sound too fun considering my laptop is loaded with "hacking tools" and i need to make a short stop in munich when i fly back to .fi |
| 04:34.17 | Throat | peterS, since when? did Schäuble go critical lately? |
| 04:34.18 | Throat | hm |
| 04:34.21 | peterS | shingouz: the law is very new, I don't think anyone knows how they will apply it |
| 04:34.26 | Throat | forget the last question :) |
| 04:34.28 | shingouz | route add -net 10.0.0.0 eth1 ? |
| 04:35.12 | peterS | shingouz: but it has already produced a discussion of what to do with ftp.de.debian.org |
| 04:35.12 | Throat | peterS, since when? did Schäuble go _even more_ critical lately? |
| 04:35.18 | shingouz | peterS: sounds like a very stupid law |
| 04:35.35 | peterS | shingouz: I think the plan is to move the ftp.de.debian.org machines out of Germany to, perhaps, NL |
| 04:35.43 | Throat | how could it pass? |
| 04:36.00 | peterS | Throat: 'cause we don't want hackers to be allowed to have tools, of course |
| 04:36.06 | shingouz | peterS: never underestimate the stupidity of the lawmakers |
| 04:36.10 | peterS | I don't |
| 04:36.23 | Throat | gah... when I'm coming back, it'll be as bad as here :( |
| 04:36.47 | Throat | well,l worse, in that regard |
| 04:36.50 | peterS | Throat: well ... I don't know anything about this new law, you'll have to find your info elsewhere I'm afraid |
| 04:37.05 | Throat | when did it pass? |
| 04:37.07 | shingouz | luckily the germans also made it illegal to check for vulnerable networks, now only the blackhats keep on doing that stuff |
| 04:37.19 | peterS | Throat: I think it was like a month ago |
| 04:37.26 | Throat | hm |
| 04:37.28 | Throat | damn them |
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| 04:37.43 | peterS | Throat: google 'germany hacking law' |
| 04:38.01 | peterS | lots of relevant hits |
| 04:38.26 | Throat | pretty disgusting |
| 04:38.41 | Throat | dont need to cut me own throat, Schäuble does it for me |
| 04:39.08 | donny | how can i find out when a certain kernel module in the debian repository was built? |
| 04:39.27 | simonrvn | i hate it when this happens. i see a new package, i want to check it out further, but i don't remember the complete name. |
| 04:39.51 | peterS | donny: read the changelog, /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 04:39.58 | simonrvn | donny: deduction |
| 04:40.01 | peterS | donny: if you don't have the package installed, read it via 'aptitude changelog packagename' |
| 04:40.07 | donny | peterS: thanks |
| 04:40.35 | donny | what is the reciprocal operation of dpkg -L packagename? |
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| 04:42.03 | hark | donny: -S |
| 04:42.06 | donny | actually.. i doubt apt has an index built for individual files in the package database .. |
| 04:42.08 | donny | oh |
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| 04:43.37 | simonrvn | you can also use dlocate, debian package-specific locate |
| 04:43.50 | donny | wow, thanks simonrvn and hark |
| 04:44.00 | simonrvn | same as dpkg -S, but faster (obviously) but you need the database updated too ;) |
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| 04:46.16 | shingouz | two nics on the box, eth0 connected to the internet up and working nicely, eth1 to a local network and no pings to the local network. how to make eth1 work? any suggested reading for a quick and dirty fix? |
| 04:46.30 | solitude- | static or dhcp? |
| 04:46.38 | shingouz | static |
| 04:46.48 | solitude- | all static settings are right? |
| 04:46.56 | shingouz | eth0 dhcp, eth1 static. sorry |
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| 04:47.21 | piztek | hello everyone |
| 04:47.31 | jhulst | What do I need to do to get xfs support? |
| 04:49.09 | simonrvn | found it =) |
| 04:54.10 | Wyzard | jhulst: You mean the XFS filesystem? |
| 04:54.26 | Wyzard | jhulst: xfsprogs |
| 04:55.23 | jhulst | Wyzard: yes, thanks |
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| 04:58.22 | jhulst | What do I need to do to mount an xfs filesystem though, I get "Unknown filesystem type 'xfs'" |
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| 05:00.51 | kill-9 | anyone in here have installed debian on a ppc? |
| 05:01.02 | peterS | jhulst: that is a very odd error, it indicates that your kernel doesn't have xfs support. but all Debian kernels do. |
| 05:01.09 | kill-9 | !ppc |
| 05:01.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
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| 05:02.13 | Throat | kernel-module not loaded? |
| 05:02.45 | jhulst | FATAL: Error inserting xfs (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/fs/xfs/xfs.ko): Bad address |
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| 05:02.55 | Throat | there you go |
| 05:03.42 | jhulst | Do I have to recompile the kernel then? |
| 05:03.44 | Throat | now "Bad address" is what I call a weird error |
| 05:04.03 | kill-9 | anyone in here have installed debian on a ppc? |
| 05:04.13 | Throat | aren't you using a debian kernel? |
| 05:04.20 | jhulst | Throat: yes |
| 05:04.32 | jhulst | yes, I am using a Debian kernel |
| 05:04.44 | Throat | so you didnt compile it... |
| 05:04.48 | jhulst | no |
| 05:04.51 | Throat | so you cant _re_compile :) |
| 05:05.00 | jhulst | :) semantics |
| 05:05.05 | Throat | SCNR :) |
| 05:05.19 | Throat | are you using 2.6.18-4-686? |
| 05:05.24 | Throat | uname -a? |
| 05:05.25 | jhulst | yeah |
| 05:05.31 | Throat | on a 686? |
| 05:05.40 | jhulst | yep, pentium 3 I believe |
| 05:05.51 | Throat | pretty weird |
| 05:05.57 | lkthomas | guys, anyone use iptables to deal with firewall without using nat ? |
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| 05:06.21 | Throat | dunno... perhaps just pull a different kernel version... ? |
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| 05:06.55 | Throat | hm, i'm running 2.6.18-3 |
| 05:07.15 | jhulst | can you give me a quick hint on how to get a different kernel, I'm new to the debian system |
| 05:07.34 | Throat | 2.6.21 exists... |
| 05:08.08 | Throat | apt-get install linux-image..... |
| 05:08.19 | Throat | er.. aptitude |
| 05:08.25 | Throat | dont want to be killed again |
| 05:08.33 | jhulst | what? |
| 05:09.08 | lkthomas | guys, I got 4machine which is using static ip, if I want to build a firewall in front of them, how could I do that ? |
| 05:09.20 | Throat | <Throat> Guerin, aptitude aint for me :) |
| 05:09.23 | Throat | * Guerin cuts Throat's throat, leaving his head in the sand squirting blood |
| 05:09.38 | jhulst | got it :) |
| 05:09.54 | Throat | so |
| 05:10.03 | jhulst | aptitude doesn't update anything, I think I have the newest version |
| 05:10.10 | Throat | aptitude search linux-image-2.6 |
| 05:10.29 | Throat | gives you a list |
| 05:10.33 | Throat | then something like |
| 05:10.44 | Throat | aptitude install linux-image-2.6.21-2-686 |
| 05:11.08 | solitude- | hmm |
| 05:11.10 | solitude- | thats right |
| 05:11.18 | solitude- | aptitude kinda pulls together apt-get andapt-cahe too |
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| 05:11.49 | Throat | in principle, that should take care of everything... you could check if grub/lilo/whatever is updated correctly |
| 05:11.55 | Throat | or just cross your fingers and reboot |
| 05:12.45 | jhulst | :) sounds good, I'll give that a go |
| 05:13.02 | Throat | i fear it's not the kernel, though |
| 05:13.13 | Throat | but I got no good idea what else it could be |
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| 05:14.15 | solitude- | GAH |
| 05:14.30 | solitude- | anyone know whats wrong with using "install acpi=off noacpi noapic nolapic aic7xxx.aic7xxx=noprobe DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 nosmp" in the debian installer? |
| 05:14.41 | solitude- | Its hanging after loading initrd.gz -> Ready |
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| 05:15.41 | Throat | acpi=off noacpi? |
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| 05:16.35 | gonzaloaf | Throat, I used acpi=off |
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| 05:17.19 | piztek | what's a good dvd/cd/music cd creator program |
| 05:17.40 | solitude- | no ideas? |
| 05:18.10 | Throat | i just meant... looks a bit redundant |
| 05:18.23 | Jebediah | piztek: try xcdroast or k3b |
| 05:18.24 | Throat | piztek, k3b? |
| 05:18.38 | solitude- | well |
| 05:18.45 | solitude- | it doesnt work with ether alone :p |
| 05:18.47 | solitude- | either* |
| 05:19.20 | Jebediah | solitude-: perhaps you need apic |
| 05:19.49 | solitude- | nope |
| 05:19.54 | solitude- | specifically disabled it |
| 05:19.56 | solitude- | ive tried it with no swithes |
| 05:20.02 | Jebediah | err, acpi |
| 05:20.05 | Jebediah | and it still hangs? |
| 05:20.10 | solitude- | and with all of those individually |
| 05:20.12 | solitude- | yup |
| 05:20.13 | solitude- | same place every time |
| 05:20.20 | Jebediah | bad install image? |
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| 05:20.26 | Jebediah | wrong arch? |
| 05:20.27 | solitude- | nope |
| 05:20.32 | solitude- | tried 3 disks |
| 05:20.45 | solitude- | all verified |
| 05:20.45 | solitude- | 1 burned at 4x speed too |
| 05:20.49 | Jebediah | what image are you using? |
| 05:21.01 | Throat | nite |
| 05:21.25 | Jebediah | nacht Throat |
| 05:22.05 | gonzaloaf | piztek, k3b |
| 05:22.25 | solitude- | i386 |
| 05:22.30 | solitude- | its the right arch ;) |
| 05:22.55 | solitude- | its for dual P3 xeons |
| 05:22.55 | solitude- | i know i disabled SMP |
| 05:22.55 | metbsd | where does debian store iptables information? |
| 05:23.04 | solitude- | because there were problemsreported with SMP kernels with this machine |
| 05:25.13 | solitude- | metbsd, dont double post -.- |
| 05:25.27 | metbsd | ?? |
| 05:25.32 | metbsd | \where |
| 05:25.46 | metbsd | i want single answer |
| 05:26.08 | metbsd | WHERE DID I DOUBLE POST |
| 05:26.25 | solitude- | youve posted the same thing in multiple channels . |
| 05:26.25 | solitude- | like ##linux |
| 05:26.25 | solitude- | then ask in a single place |
| 05:26.25 | solitude- | [06:24:02] <metbsd> where does debian store firewall/iptable conf? |
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| 05:26.51 | solitude- | in ##linux |
| 05:26.51 | solitude- | so.... just dont try to lie |
| 05:27.08 | metbsd | what does that has anything to do with you? |
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| 05:27.30 | metbsd | mind your own fucking business fuckface |
| 05:27.46 | piztek | solitude, hi |
| 05:27.59 | solitude- | Try to use proper English too. |
| 05:28.06 | Jebediah | cheery day to you too metbsd |
| 05:28.44 | piztek | die |
| 05:28.46 | piztek | die |
| 05:29.15 | solitude- | metbsd has a serious attitude problem. |
| 05:29.21 | piztek | oopsss |
| 05:29.25 | Jebediah | solitude-: in the /usr/src/linux/Documentation folder there is usually a list of boot options in there... maybe one of thems will help you? |
| 05:29.43 | solitude- | well Jebediah, from where it hangs |
| 05:29.44 | piztek | mmm |
| 05:29.49 | solitude- | it looks liek a kernel problem |
| 05:29.51 | solitude- | like* |
| 05:30.07 | piztek | i just melted weight |
| 05:30.12 | piztek | with a heat gun |
| 05:30.18 | solitude- | but the relevent switches havent fixed it :( |
| 05:30.19 | Jebediah | solitude-: ja, and you'd think whatever it is should be able to be overridden or disabled to allow it to continue booting |
| 05:30.32 | metbsd | i was in another channel and talking, and so were you, what problem does that cause you, solitude- you mother fucker lifeless mistaken-born child |
| 05:30.53 | Jebediah | metbsd: stfu and take your meds, geez |
| 05:31.03 | piztek | metbsd don't talk like that around piztek |
| 05:31.05 | piztek | no |
| 05:31.05 | solitude- | Jebediah, you would think that, yes |
| 05:31.06 | metbsd | well he starte first |
| 05:31.17 | solitude- | Can you think of anything else relevent? |
| 05:31.18 | solitude- | :S |
| 05:31.22 | solitude- | its a Dell Precision 610 |
| 05:31.42 | solitude- | Dual 550mhz xeons, ecc reg ram, scsi hdd, and Adaptec AIC-7890 controller |
| 05:31.44 | Jebediah | is the disc using an initrd image |
| 05:31.48 | metbsd | i just wonder where iptable store firewall configuration |
| 05:31.48 | piztek | relevent to? |
| 05:31.50 | solitude- | yeah |
| 05:31.51 | solitude- | good guess |
| 05:32.03 | solitude- | i used aic7xxx.aic7xxx=noprobe like the helpfile said to no effect |
| 05:32.07 | solitude- | it does |
| 05:32.16 | solitude- | Loading /install.386/vmlinux .... |
| 05:32.23 | metbsd | solitude-, stop double resides in different channels |
| 05:32.34 | solitude- | Loading /install.386/initrd/gz ..... |
| 05:32.34 | solitude- | then it says "Ready" |
| 05:32.38 | solitude- | And hangs there. |
| 05:32.49 | solitude- | metbsd, grow up. nobody will help you with an attitude like yours. |
| 05:32.49 | metbsd | solitude-, yah deserve you right |
| 05:33.06 | solitude- | /ignored |
| 05:33.07 | metbsd | solitude-, yes, with an attitude like yours, you get alot help |
| 05:33.10 | Jebediah | so it gets the initrd fine |
| 05:33.18 | solitude- | Right |
| 05:33.21 | Jebediah | let's step through what happens in the boot process |
| 05:33.27 | solitude- | Ok. |
| 05:33.33 | Jebediah | mine seems to scan the bios for a physical ram map |
| 05:34.02 | piztek | then hard drives |
| 05:34.05 | Jebediah | then acpi / numa; though I'm unsure if that's in the initrd or main kernel. I'm inclined to think main kernel |
| 05:34.37 | Jebediah | so maybe a buggy bios? |
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| 05:34.50 | solitude- | quite possibly |
| 05:34.58 | solitude- | but to update the bios, i need an OS |
| 05:35.02 | solitude- | no working FDD. |
| 05:35.08 | piztek | hey that's not fun though |
| 05:35.23 | piztek | updating bioses can be agrivating |
| 05:35.39 | piztek | but it's something you have to do if you suspect it to be a potential cause of a problem |
| 05:35.43 | Jebediah | ouch, I got that catch 22 on a machine too |
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| 05:36.10 | daniel_S | hello |
| 05:36.19 | piztek | solitude-: you can update a bios using another computer if you create a boot disk or cdrom |
| 05:36.25 | solitude- | true |
| 05:36.29 | Jebediah | Can't install debian on HD because of bios problem, but can't update the bios because I stripped the floppy power wire, lol |
| 05:36.49 | solitude- | hehe |
| 05:36.50 | solitude- | yeah |
| 05:36.57 | solitude- | sucks eh |
| 05:37.00 | solitude- | I need this machine -.- |
| 05:37.09 | piztek | Jebediah: i completely removed my floppy too |
| 05:37.11 | solitude- | everyone needs a web/ftp/ssh server |
| 05:37.40 | piztek | solitude-: it comes together |
| 05:37.43 | Jebediah | piztek: ja, I just built a new machine and never installed, but I had to update the bios :( |
| 05:38.11 | piztek | Jebediah: blame the motorola razor |
| 05:38.15 | solitude- | Hrmmm |
| 05:38.21 | solitude- | I found a bios update "good" |
| 05:38.26 | solitude- | The "bad" is that its dos based |
| 05:38.27 | solitude- | and no FDD |
| 05:38.35 | Jebediah | piztek: ? I was content blaming the Dero... I don't even have a cell phone |
| 05:38.55 | piztek | power off issues? |
| 05:39.13 | piztek | Jebediah: ? |
| 05:39.19 | piztek | Jebediah: power off issues? |
| 05:39.32 | fungo | i had add the debian-multimedia repository in my sources.list, but how do i see the packages avaliable with that repository? |
| 05:39.43 | Jebediah | oh, never installed the floppy, lol |
| 05:39.59 | Jebediah | fungo: apt-cache search after and apt-get update perhaps? |
| 05:39.59 | solitude- | Wow |
| 05:40.00 | solitude- | even better |
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| 05:40.11 | solitude- | i think i can make this macines FDD work |
| 05:40.11 | piztek | Jebediah: why do you feel you must update the bios? |
| 05:40.17 | solitude- | but i don tseem to have any other machines with FDD... |
| 05:40.25 | fungo | Jebediah how do i know if the mplayer i'm installing is from debian-multimedia or the standard mirror? |
| 05:40.39 | fungo | and also, how do i know the packages avaliable by debian-multimedia? |
| 05:40.53 | Jebediah | fungo: mplayer is considered non-free I believe, so wouldn't come from a standard mirror |
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| 05:41.09 | piztek | plug in your fdd's people |
| 05:41.15 | piztek | they never get used anymore |
| 05:41.15 | solitude- | brb, checking downstairs... |
| 05:41.16 | fungo | Jebediah it come here |
| 05:41.22 | axos88 | Hi all! How do I install debian on a SATA disk? (ASUS f3SV laptop, brand new) |
| 05:41.25 | Jebediah | piztek: I'm having some crazy problems on the machine. 1. was IRQ errors; bios update fixed that. But I'm still having problems with things if I have net and USB 2 onboard enabled |
| 05:41.43 | piztek | what is the problem |
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| 05:42.20 | piztek | if you're switching a new pc, plug in the firewire, let it sit and download |
| 05:42.31 | Jebediah | piztek: It's strange, but if I load certain pages in firefox and move out of the window everything breifly hangs and I get an xrun. The only thing that stops it is disabling what I mentioned |
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| 05:42.52 | piztek | what is the xrun error |
| 05:43.20 | piztek | and what causes you to believe it's hardware related |
| 05:43.32 | Supaplex | what's that ld_preload hack to wrap a program you want to undelete files with? I'm messing with something I want to capture the temp files on, but they appear and vanish instantly |
| 05:43.39 | bobbiac_Debian | heya .. stupid question ... how do i how do i get Iceweasel to be the dfault browser in KDE? |
| 05:44.20 | Jebediah | piztek: as I said if I disable onboard net and USB 2.0 it's no problem. I don't have the xrun atm but I'm having trouble debugging it because I don't know how to get a handle on what exactly is happening |
| 05:44.51 | piztek | Supaplex: gmane |
| 05:45.31 | piztek | Jebediah: did you install with those settings enabled? |
| 05:45.31 | Supaplex | libtrash |
| 05:45.42 | Jebediah | I mean there has to be something other than checking xruns to see what's happening |
| 05:45.54 | Jebediah | piztek: with what settings? |
| 05:46.03 | piztek | with usb and net enabled |
| 05:46.30 | Jebediah | piztek: yes; I had a custom kernel, but then installed a standard Debian kernel as well |
| 05:46.47 | piztek | how did that custom kernel install go? |
| 05:46.54 | piztek | good or bad |
| 05:47.13 | Jebediah | piztek: perfectly fine, aside from the aforementioned problem |
| 05:47.35 | piztek | so you have no mouse? how do you have internet with net disabled? |
| 05:48.10 | Jebediah | I'm on a notebook right now ;) USB 1.1 does not cause problems either; just USB2. |
| 05:48.27 | piztek | have you tried an apt-get update? |
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| 05:48.44 | Jebediah | piztek: oh yeah, everythings up to date |
| 05:49.06 | piztek | hm, and you did install with those bios settings enabled |
| 05:49.29 | Jebediah | jupp. I disabled nothing in the bios when I put the new kernel in |
| 05:49.52 | piztek | what happens to the machine when the errors occur? |
| 05:50.24 | Jebediah | let me clarify; the net works. It just randomly goes up and down repeatedly for no reason every now and then. I don't have any USB 2 devices to test with. |
| 05:50.26 | stew | bobbiac_Debian: you can use "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" to make it the default *most* places. but for many kde apps, its always going to be konqueror |
| 05:50.46 | piztek | Jebediah: which os? |
| 05:51.17 | Jebediah | but when I load one of those pages in firefox, then it's like everything hangs for a second before it resumes. Mouse, monitors, sound; everything hangs before continuing on |
| 05:51.22 | stew | bobbiac_Debian: you might want to check #debian-kde on irc.debian.org to double-check me, but the last time i looked it was impossible, becuase the kde function to launch a 'browser' has turned into some monstrosity that also might be doing things like launching a smb browser or a oo.org document |
| 05:51.34 | piztek | Jebediah: are you wireless? |
| 05:51.45 | Jebediah | piztek: Debian of course; lenny/sid 2.6.21 kernel |
| 05:52.00 | Jebediah | piztek: on the notebook yes, but the machine i'm having troubles with has nothing wireless |
| 05:52.06 | bobbiac_Debian | okay .. probably a wine thing, but it's weird .. i remember a while back you could actually select browser behavior in kde |
| 05:52.12 | piztek | i had many problems with wireless drivers in kde |
| 05:52.28 | piztek | you need to find someone who can help you |
| 05:52.34 | piztek | are you on gnome? |
| 05:52.42 | stew | bobbiac_Debian: you shouldn't take my word for it, i don't run kde, this is just what I determined from trying to make a kde app not launch konqueror as the default browser |
| 05:53.02 | bobbiac_Debian | nod .. thanks |
| 05:53.11 | regulate | anyone use autofs from sid? |
| 05:53.12 | Jebediah | piztek: I know :S Yeah, I'm on gnome, but this happens no matter what I use. what's going on is at a lower level than window manager |
| 05:53.26 | stew | i don't run kde but i'm the maintainer for a kde app, which is probably not a good state of affairs |
| 05:53.34 | solitude- | rofl |
| 05:53.35 | stew | and will probably change soon |
| 05:53.36 | Jebediah | piztek: technically I'm fluxbox |
| 05:53.37 | solitude- | n1 stew |
| 05:53.42 | piztek | Jebediah: who is your internet service provider? |
| 05:53.47 | solitude- | im on icewm, xfce and blackbox atm |
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| 05:53.55 | Jebediah | piztek: SBC |
| 05:54.23 | piztek | well you need to properly set the wireless encryption and provide the correct keycodes |
| 05:54.38 | stew | and in fact, i should probably be preparing an upload |
| 05:54.38 | piztek | through one of the gnome wireless program |
| 05:54.42 | piztek | programs* |
| 05:54.48 | Jebediah | piztek: but I'm not on wireless with them. Also it's the eth0 going up and down |
| 05:55.14 | piztek | the hub isn't wireless? |
| 05:55.42 | Jebediah | DSL -> DSL modem -> wireless router but the desktop is wired |
| 05:56.27 | piztek | then you do not know for sure that you're not connected wirelessly |
| 05:56.53 | Jebediah | piztek: eh? I have no wireless device in the desktop... |
| 05:59.03 | piztek | how are you viewing the net fluctuation |
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| 05:59.03 | Jebediah | piztek: dmesg; it will show eth0 inteface down / eth0 interface up about 5-10 times in a row |
| 05:59.04 | solitude- | ooo |
| 05:59.04 | solitude- | This might work |
| 05:59.31 | kairu0 | mdadm question: my root partition is on hda1, and i have a software raid1 setup with /sda1+sdb1. if hda1 dies will i have trouble importing the raid into a new installation? |
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| 06:00.09 | dotz | hi i just installed etch.. how do i make apt-get such that when i type apt-get install lib<tab> then it will list all the matching packages? |
| 06:00.12 | piztek | Jebediah: if i was you i would enable usb in bios, ignore the x errors, and post on the debian forums |
| 06:00.30 | piztek | the tech guy that was helping me before left |
| 06:01.00 | piztek | but i was on wifi then |
| 06:01.14 | Jebediah | piztek: yeah, I really do have to do the forum thing. The board is getting returned when I come back from vacation because onboard sound jack is messed up; but I have USB 1.1 enabled |
| 06:01.59 | Jebediah | piztek: debianforums or debian user forums? |
| 06:03.00 | piztek | forums.debian.net |
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| 06:03.09 | solitude- | hmm |
| 06:03.20 | piztek | a lot of guys will forum hop, I don't |
| 06:03.20 | solitude- | Im starting to have suspicians now |
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| 06:03.24 | Jebediah | solitude-: what worked? |
| 06:03.28 | solitude- | that its a lack of kernel support for my scsi adapter |
| 06:03.33 | solitude- | uitstill doesnt work |
| 06:03.33 | piztek | I'm more of a multi tasker |
| 06:03.37 | solitude- | but i ALSO doesnt work with DSL |
| 06:03.39 | solitude- | it* |
| 06:03.44 | solitude- | and the DSL errors helped more |
| 06:03.53 | solitude- | it couldnt find the knoppix FS after boot |
| 06:04.00 | solitude- | and i couldnt mouint the CD om drive |
| 06:04.13 | Jebediah | solitude-: wait, so your HD is scsi or something? |
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| 06:04.38 | solitude- | the cdrom |
| 06:04.40 | solitude- | i did say |
| 06:04.50 | solitude- | ARGH |
| 06:04.56 | solitude- | hanging on probing my devicee again |
| 06:05.00 | solitude- | im 1 step cose |
| 06:05.02 | solitude- | closer |
| 06:05.08 | atula | sort of random. I need to block Australia... what's their IP range or where is the world's listing of IP range? |
| 06:05.16 | solitude- | i wonder if i can do noprobe onmy scsi disk, copy installer to HDD, then install |
| 06:05.38 | piztek | google search the auto mount page |
| 06:05.50 | piztek | i was able to edit my fstab with that |
| 06:05.55 | piztek | quick too |
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| 06:06.04 | solitude- | I dont think thats an option here :( |
| 06:06.20 | Jebediah | solitude-: I know some distros have a noscsi option |
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| 06:08.42 | piztek | how is mounting not an option |
| 06:08.49 | piztek | it should be |
| 06:08.57 | solitude- | hmm |
| 06:09.23 | solitude- | Maybe i was too noob to understand what you meant |
| 06:09.27 | solitude- | can you run through it again please? |
| 06:09.50 | solitude- | oh wow |
| 06:09.56 | solitude- | this seems to be working |
| 06:10.03 | solitude- | disable autoprobe, load scsi module manually and boot |
| 06:10.19 | piztek | mount the cdrom, then see if you can automount it in fstab from a howto on google search |
| 06:10.36 | piztek | it doesn't have to be master |
| 06:10.45 | solitude- | ah, o ess |
| 06:10.45 | solitude- | I see |
| 06:10.55 | solitude- | notnecessarry :D |
| 06:11.00 | solitude- | I think |
| 06:11.03 | Jebediah | those captchas are getting insane |
| 06:11.09 | solitude- | I have a very flickery DSL livecd up |
| 06:11.42 | piztek | i'm actually quite happy with evolution |
| 06:11.47 | piztek | everyone downtalks it |
| 06:11.59 | piztek | but, I just, like it |
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| 06:12.17 | solitude- | . |
| 06:13.03 | piztek | gnomebaker needs work |
| 06:13.13 | piztek | movie to dvd needs work |
| 06:13.30 | piztek | yahoo needs work |
| 06:13.36 | solitude- | aha |
| 06:13.39 | Jebediah | solitude-: ahh, progress |
| 06:13.40 | solitude- | then I load to ram |
| 06:13.42 | solitude- | and install |
| 06:13.49 | solitude- | this was convoluted |
| 06:13.57 | solitude- | but debian doesnt offer a step by step extert install |
| 06:13.59 | solitude- | expert* |
| 06:14.03 | solitude- | this is a 2.4 kernel too |
| 06:14.14 | solitude- | based on Debian 3.0 |
| 06:14.20 | solitude- | (Damn small linux 1.5) |
| 06:14.25 | solitude- | (has a VERY ncie installer) |
| 06:15.16 | piztek | after the whole linux kernel thing, i dont understand how microsoft just has one kernel |
| 06:15.29 | solitude- | this has taken me 5 days to figure out |
| 06:15.33 | solitude- | i feel so good now |
| 06:15.41 | solitude- | piztek, easy |
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| 06:15.56 | solitude- | each install is a monolithic kernel with a shitload of stuff |
| 06:16.04 | wyrm | hi guys |
| 06:16.10 | wyrm | sign the petition |
| 06:16.12 | wyrm | nooxml |
| 06:16.13 | wyrm | http://www.xombra.com/go_news.php?articulo=3005 |
| 06:16.13 | solitude- | it also probes at the start of install for drivers it thinks you might want |
| 06:16.13 | solitude- | which is why its huge. |
| 06:16.14 | solitude- | if you nlite it |
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| 06:16.19 | solitude- | you are effectively making a custom windows kernel |
| 06:16.25 | wyrm | http://www.noooxml.org/petition-es |
| 06:16.35 | solitude- | windows and linux are both hybrid of kernels ofsorts |
| 06:16.39 | solitude- | but very very different |
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| 06:18.13 | piztek | and it just feels like linux's method is far more simple and organized |
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| 06:19.00 | piztek | the first time boot is frustrating, but after things are installed you feel like the work you've done is far more worth it |
| 06:19.42 | solitude- | mmm |
| 06:19.45 | solitude- | I like windows |
| 06:19.52 | solitude- | been using it since i was 7 |
| 06:19.57 | solitude- | as my main OS |
| 06:20.00 | solitude- | since 3.1 and 3.11 |
| 06:20.03 | piztek | i do too, but it needs a few of linux's options |
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| 06:20.04 | solitude- | (im 19 now) |
| 06:20.06 | shingouz | solitude-: shame on you... |
| 06:20.08 | solitude- | nah |
| 06:20.11 | Jebediah | the whole time I used windows I was a terrible alcoholic |
| 06:20.14 | Supaplex | when I was 7, there was only dos. (I won't say which release) |
| 06:20.15 | Jebediah | seriosly |
| 06:20.18 | solitude- | i added a posix layer to my windows :p |
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| 06:20.26 | solitude- | Ive used slack since ... |
| 06:20.29 | solitude- | i started with slack 4 |
| 06:20.37 | Supaplex | or maybe there wasn't dos... |
| 06:20.37 | solitude- | when i was ~10/11 iirc |
| 06:20.47 | solitude- | since then, ive had a love hate relationship with linux ... |
| 06:21.31 | piztek | well your love is someone elses hate |
| 06:21.32 | cast | i used to get angry and break hardware when using windows [kb, mouse, kicking case] but now that i've stopped i don't get angry anymore :) |
| 06:22.06 | Supaplex | linux has made me dumb. I don't know what reboot means anymore. ;) |
| 06:22.17 | piztek | lol |
| 06:22.26 | solitude- | weeee, untarring xorg now. this doesnteven have apt yet. yay for dpkg. so close :D just need to reboot, duplicate the same options, add gnu utils and apt, then upgrade to etch via lan ¬_¬ |
| 06:22.52 | solitude- | oh yes, and manually do static network card connection ¬_¬ ... gneh this is a bitch |
| 06:23.14 | solitude- | "Would you like a bootloader?" "youve just wiped my HDD... Yes please" |
| 06:23.23 | cast | ifconfig eth0 up $ip is hardly alot of work :P |
| 06:24.08 | solitude- | ill need to vim interfaces first :p |
| 06:24.15 | solitude- | and set up resolv.con |
| 06:24.19 | solitude- | f |
| 06:24.25 | solitude- | ive been at this for 12 hours straight |
| 06:24.28 | shingouz | yea, it could be worse. point, click, click some more, swear, reboot, click, crash, point, click, swear some more, install linux |
| 06:24.29 | solitude- | my back wrists and arms hurt |
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| 06:24.43 | solitude- | shingouz, ive been doing that since friday |
| 06:24.46 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 06:24.47 | solitude- | of last week |
| 06:24.52 | stew | hi |
| 06:24.52 | cast | what are you doing solitude-? |
| 06:24.53 | piztek | call it a night |
| 06:25.03 | piztek | tvtime is about to be enabled |
| 06:26.21 | solitude- | cast, installing linux on an old workstation. when i have it connected to the net, ill sleep while it updates and add ssh, apache and ftp tomorrow. |
| 06:26.32 | solitude- | hgmm |
| 06:26.36 | solitude- | it is 38 degrees in this room |
| 06:26.49 | stew | its double that in this room |
| 06:26.52 | solitude- | 2m x 3m room with 3 laptops and 3 desktops running. |
| 06:26.58 | cast | and i don't know what units we're talking. |
| 06:27.06 | solitude- | celcius |
| 06:27.08 | stew | i know that we are talking different units |
| 06:27.10 | piztek | what language is linux written in? |
| 06:27.14 | stew | piztek: |
| 06:27.14 | stew | c |
| 06:27.15 | solitude- | c/c++ |
| 06:27.15 | shingouz | C |
| 06:27.20 | cast | piztek: LOVE |
| 06:27.23 | stew | c++? |
| 06:27.24 | solitude- | there are c++ bits :p |
| 06:27.31 | piztek | what is gnome written in? |
| 06:27.45 | Jebediah | solitude-: what country? |
| 06:27.52 | solitude- | UK |
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| 06:27.56 | solitude- | 07/13/07 @ 07:27:49 AM [+0000 GMT] |
| 06:28.04 | TiMiDo | hey i have a question im getting this error while running dpkg-reconfigure -a dpkg: ../../src/packages.c191 process_queue assertion dependtryB <= 4 failed any ideas? |
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| 06:28.09 | solitude- | i woke up at 4:30pm yesterday and started this :D |
| 06:28.19 | Jebediah | solitude-: geez, too bloody hot for what you must be used to |
| 06:28.22 | cast | Supaplex: its clearly 0 |
| 06:28.41 | solitude- | Jebediah yea |
| 06:28.43 | solitude- | the windows are open too |
| 06:28.47 | piztek | TiMiDo: are you root? |
| 06:28.51 | TiMiDo | yeah piztek |
| 06:29.06 | solitude- | my laptop core 2 duo, the p4based celeron and p4 are making most of the heat, as you can imagine |
| 06:29.06 | piztek | sorry that was my only guess |
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| 06:30.14 | piztek | solitude-: open up the laptop |
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| 06:32.08 | solitude- | piztek, its currently suspended on 4 shotglasses, i plan to add a fan to blow the bottom somehow. |
| 06:32.22 | piztek | the double click of my calendar doesn't open up evolution anymore! |
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| 06:34.04 | dotz | hi how do i find out which are the repository are available for etch, sg servers? |
| 06:34.35 | streuner | !tell dotz about mirrors |
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| 06:38.11 | axos88 | Hi! I just bought an Asus f3sv laptop, and want to install debian on it. I made a netinst USB disk, but when I run the installer it sais: "Failed to copy file from CD-ROM. Retry?" |
| 06:38.46 | axos88 | Is this due to the fact that the disk is SATA? |
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| 06:39.43 | tommcd | probably not.... |
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| 06:40.24 | tommcd | you are installing from usb, but the installer may be looking for cdrom, hence the error message |
| 06:40.40 | axos88 | but why?... |
| 06:40.54 | piztek | is c classified as unix? |
| 06:40.58 | tommcd | download etch CD1, burn it, and install from that. easiest way imho |
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| 06:41.16 | axos88 | i don't have a blank cd at hand |
| 06:41.20 | Supaplex | !ich6 |
| 06:41.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ich6 is a new intel chipset. SATA supported under ide-piix. audio on sarge needs either 1.0.8 (alsa-source)....snd-azx is the 1.0.8 version of the driver. 1.0.9 hda-intel driver is much better tho but not packaged. D-i RC3 should find sata automatically as it has been bugfixed but modprobe will find it if not autoconfiged |
| 06:41.38 | cast | axos88: could install a live-usb distro and use debootstrap :) |
| 06:41.53 | Supaplex | axos88: didn't you make preperations to install windows? if it's already installed, use the goodbye-windows.com installer |
| 06:41.54 | stew | axos88: how did you make the netinst usb disk? |
| 06:42.04 | stew | axos88: you might want to try the instructions at /msg dpkg usb-install |
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| 06:42.30 | axos88 | Supaplex: ok.. |
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| 06:42.49 | axos88 | stew: downloaded the boot.img.gz, and did the zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb |
| 06:42.56 | axos88 | after that I copied the netinst.iso to the disk |
| 06:43.03 | solitude- | i feel like crying, this machine has caused me more trouble than slack4 on an old 386. |
| 06:43.06 | indraveni | hi, I am tring to add localization content in the desktop file of gtkam application |
| 06:43.26 | indraveni | during compilation, that is dpkg-buildpackage, I am getting an error message like |
| 06:43.27 | solitude- | I just got "error loading operating system" |
| 06:43.53 | indraveni | gtkam-chooser.c: In function 'gtkam_chooser_set_port_mask': |
| 06:43.53 | indraveni | gtkam-chooser.c:761: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned |
| 06:44.08 | axos88 | does the netinst installer have partitioning software? I guess it's not fdisk, because I couldn't run it... |
| 06:44.14 | indraveni | this is repeated to all the buttons, and all functions, |
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| 06:44.31 | indraveni | do I need to install any other packages, all the build dependencies I installled |
| 06:44.52 | cast | axos88: netinst has partman, i think its called |
| 06:45.07 | stew | axos88: that all sounds right. was this using etch? or testing? |
| 06:45.16 | solitude- | isnt it gnuparted? |
| 06:45.19 | axos88 | etch |
| 06:45.22 | Jebediah | piztek: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=86482&sid=ae617343eb5e1945267a940503e73b81#86482 |
| 06:45.35 | axos88 | amd64 |
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| 06:48.00 | axos88 | cast: no, not partman... command not found |
| 06:48.34 | solid_liq | axos88: apt-get install partman then |
| 06:48.34 | cast | well, i'm not 100% sure what partman is, i thought it was the partitioning phase of the installer. |
| 06:48.40 | solitude- | cfdisk? |
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| 06:48.48 | streuner | !find partman |
| 06:48.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'partman' (4 of 6): (/usr/include/kde/kparts/partmanager.h) in libdevel/kdelibs4-dev ;; (/usr/share/sip/kde3/kparts/partmanager.sip) in python/python-kde3-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/partman-auto-recipe.txt.gz) in devel/debian-installer ;; (/usr/share/doc/ebook-dev-kde20/AbridgedKDEReference/kparts/partmanager_h.html) in non-free/doc/ebook-dev-kde20. |
| 06:49.05 | stew | yes, partman is the partitioner in the debian-installer |
| 06:49.18 | stew | its not runnable as a standalone app however (afaik) |
| 06:49.21 | axos88 | uh... then why can't i execute it from the shell? |
| 06:49.26 | axos88 | oh |
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| 06:50.00 | cast | is partman a frontend to fdisk or some such? |
| 06:50.23 | cast | [it must be a frontend to a few things, like cryptsetup and the LVM tools] |
| 06:50.59 | stew | i would guess a frontend to sfdisk before i'd guess fdisk, but could very well be neither |
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| 06:52.44 | streuner | http://packages.debian.org/testing/debian-installer/partman-partitioning |
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| 06:56.19 | CyberMad | do you have any idea.. we're on company use jabber as internal chat.. but we have problem, if there is new employee, we need to add the new employee id to each other employee.. is there any way to make it automatically add as new friend when there is new registration id? |
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| 06:58.01 | cast | 'IMPORTANT: partman-crypto is still in development and has not received an independent audit for weak keys, leaking of key data or other implementation flaws. Please don't use it for production before a stable release.' does that refer to a stable release of debian or partman-crypto? |
| 06:58.37 | vorpal | probably a stable release of the software |
| 06:59.20 | solitude- | lets try installing again before i cry |
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| 06:59.55 | solitude- | thanks :S ive been trying for a whole week and thoguht d finally made it ... |
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| 06:59.58 | semprix | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.10 | solitude- | lol |
| 07:00.13 | solitude- | debian is far from dead |
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| 07:00.21 | vorpal | semprix: yes. we are all ghosts in this channel. have you come to provide us with live flesh? |
| 07:00.24 | solitude- | its just very very slow to update |
| 07:00.32 | MangosDebian | cast: might be a good idea to generate a new key after install then huh? :) |
| 07:00.34 | semprix | vorpal, sort of |
| 07:00.36 | semprix | lol |
| 07:00.47 | semprix | yeah development is a bit slow |
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| 07:01.35 | cast | MangosDebian: nah, would require whole new create-encrypted-vol from scratch |
| 07:02.11 | MangosDebian | cast: nah, just add new key to luks and remove the initial one |
| 07:02.57 | MangosDebian | cast: cryptsetup luksAddKey <device> <key slot #> |
| 07:03.31 | shingouz | vorpal: rawwrrr? |
| 07:03.48 | MangosDebian | cast: of course, that wont change the underlying key that the key slots are setup to crypt/hide |
| 07:04.08 | vorpal | shingouz: yeah, i morphed from a ghost to a zombie. oh, well ;-) |
| 07:04.23 | cast | MangosDebian: thats what i mean @ not changing the master key ;P |
| 07:04.37 | solitude- | 70 more inodes to do |
| 07:04.49 | MangosDebian | cast: ahh ya, not much you can do if someone gets ahold of that. kinda what i figured you were refering to |
| 07:05.00 | shingouz | ...now we just need Dom here... i think it is better if i scoot offline and try to find something to eat now that the living flesh was mentioned here |
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| 07:06.18 | MangosDebian | cast: although, with the debian bootcd in hand an an lvm setup already in place, it would be cake to setup a new lv quickly, rsync over the rootfs and recreate it. albeit a pita |
| 07:07.16 | Supaplex | I gots pains in the ascii to. time for bed. :) |
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| 07:09.06 | solitude- | hmm |
| 07:09.14 | solitude- | any way to run DOS apps under linux? |
| 07:09.27 | MangosDebian | isnt there some dosemu? |
| 07:09.39 | Supaplex | !+info dosemu |
| 07:09.41 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 07:09.45 | solitude- | well, i need to run a bios update ;) |
| 07:09.45 | dpkg | dosemu: (The Linux DOS Emulator), section contrib/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.4.0+svn.1828-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2345 kB, Installed size: 5736 kB |
| 07:10.07 | Supaplex | uh then you'll have to use dos. there's freedos. it's gpl :) |
| 07:10.09 | MangosDebian | solitude-: eeck! stop there |
| 07:10.20 | solitude- | yup ;p |
| 07:10.21 | solitude- | freedos eh |
| 07:10.31 | cast | hmm, i wonder if i could run xcom |
| 07:10.32 | MangosDebian | dont you dare try a bios update with dosemu or i'll lart you! |
| 07:10.44 | MangosDebian | cast: xcom? |
| 07:10.48 | solitude- | itll rape my bious i suspect |
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| 07:11.00 | solitude- | xcom was fun |
| 07:11.00 | solitude- | game |
| 07:11.07 | solitude- | argh |
| 07:11.14 | MangosDebian | solitude-: too bad bios upgrade prolly isnt covered by the warrenty |
| 07:11.14 | solitude- | hayfever attack |
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| 07:11.37 | bliss123 | hi |
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| 07:11.41 | solitude- | HAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, awesome |
| 07:12.13 | solitude- | #1 lilo works, grub is borked gain on this old rig. #2 /dev/hda1 has gone 2009 days without being checked, check forced. |
| 07:12.13 | solitude- | s/gain/again |
| 07:12.57 | bliss123 | i am following this how to but this for a 64bit will it be ok for etch 32 bit here is the howto http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=11453 |
| 07:13.28 | cast | would you like help with your punctuation? |
| 07:13.29 | MangosDebian | solitude-: why are you updating your bios anyways? |
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| 07:14.22 | cast | bliss123: truecrypt isn't in etch, why not use LUKS? |
| 07:14.43 | solitude- | because its been through 11 revisions since last update |
| 07:14.52 | solitude- | and has some useful new features i hear |
| 07:14.57 | solitude- | like...booting from USB |
| 07:15.15 | MangosDebian | bliss123: truecrypt does compile and run 100% in etch though from their web site if thats your interest |
| 07:15.32 | MangosDebian | (requires you to have kernel source installed to compile the module against though) |
| 07:15.38 | solitude- | Yay for 2.4 kernel. |
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| 07:16.09 | MangosDebian | hey, when i use truecrypt in windows, I _require_ being able to read all my files in linux :) |
| 07:16.27 | cast | why not use LUKS then MangosDebian? ;P |
| 07:16.30 | MangosDebian | although rar is a touchy issue |
| 07:16.52 | MangosDebian | cast: truecrypt in windows really is nice, and I dont know if luks even available for win |
| 07:16.58 | bliss123 | MangosDebian: thanks just put that bye me again please |
| 07:17.16 | cast | you can certainly access LUKS partitions in windows, with FreeOTFE |
| 07:17.22 | MangosDebian | bliss123: go to their web site and download it. has its own installer that makes it pretty easy |
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| 07:17.58 | MangosDebian | cast: well, it would have to have a pretty amazing interface to turn me away from truecrypt. Its truely a bueatiful piece of code |
| 07:18.23 | MangosDebian | although their installer has the feel of a windows programmer |
| 07:18.28 | solitude- | yay windows |
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| 07:19.38 | bliss123 | MangosDebian: sorry but there is a source package and the rest are for ubuntu i think |
| 07:20.02 | MangosDebian | cast: well, I cant speak for the linux version. Things are a tad more complicated via cli compared to the gui. but the linux ver does read my win files 100% without issues once I copy my keys over |
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| 07:20.22 | MangosDebian | bliss123: grab the source, should be like tar.gz for generic linux |
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| 07:22.14 | cast | MangosDebian: oh, its not the interface. the plausiably deniable volumes not being was one thing, another is the option to have a aes-serpent-twofish cascade. and another was that it was a windows solution, and to me windows is inherently not trusted |
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| 07:23.01 | bliss123 | MangosDebian: got that , but if you look at the howto it mentions something about Truecrypt won´t compile unless you patch it. and then builing the source kernel |
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| 07:23.15 | ravan | is anyone here using knetworkmanager-0.2svn from sid? |
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| 07:23.59 | MangosDebian | cast: well, honestly I havent used the hidden volume feature. Don't see a point really. But The gui does show you all the entrophy as it generates it, 100% psudo random crates new volumes amongtst other stuff. I tend to trust it as much as anything else |
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| 07:24.33 | MangosDebian | bliss123: just make sure your current running kernel is installed and run the configure/install scripts |
| 07:25.23 | MangosDebian | cast: well, the source is there to scrutenize if you dont trust it. But I think it would come down to the algo's in the end, which I doubt either of us are qualified to judge |
| 07:26.16 | solitude- | isnt it deluser to remove a user in linux? O_o |
| 07:26.17 | axos88 | How big partitions do you recommand, and how many of them, with what mount points? |
| 07:26.19 | MangosDebian | realistically though, the most "secure" setup is a loop backed device thats on a device thats been fully randomized with a deep offset and no identifiable headers |
| 07:26.30 | bliss123 | MangosDebian: kernel installed is 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 07:26.37 | MangosDebian | solitude-: ya |
| 07:27.10 | cast | MangosDebian: not the source of windows however :) |
| 07:27.16 | MangosDebian | bliss123: just make sure you have the matching kernel source for that kernel installed first and extracted and symlinked to /usr/src/linux |
| 07:27.30 | solitude- | MangosDebian, apparently i just cant type :) |
| 07:27.48 | MangosDebian | solitude-: lol, ya, that'll do it to ya |
| 07:27.58 | solitude- | i swear it used to be addusr and delusr |
| 07:28.06 | MangosDebian | solitude-: ooh, if only I could count the lost hours due to typos |
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| 07:28.42 | MangosDebian | cast: whats to stop you from compiling it yourself on windows? source is source |
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| 07:29.11 | solitude- | haa |
| 07:29.11 | solitude- | try being on for... 15 horus ish straight |
| 07:29.11 | solitude- | with a german qwertz keyboard |
| 07:29.17 | solitude- | and RSI and a headache |
| 07:29.22 | cast | MangosDebian: i have yet to meet anyone who compiled their own copy of windows |
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| 07:29.26 | MangosDebian | cast: and I seem to see the windows source avilable in a .zip format for download along with linux source |
| 07:29.28 | solitude- | After updating hostname, is a reboot necessary? |
| 07:29.48 | vorpal | solitude-: no. |
| 07:30.23 | cast | MangosDebian: whats to stop me? debian being better :). no need to jump through hoops, pay lots of money, or break the law |
| 07:30.28 | MangosDebian | cast: have you ever tried to compile anything under windows?! its a bloody nightmare. and the free MS vc lacks anything tcp related and more. so if you do manage to get windows source files, you pretty much gotta rebuild the project on your own |
| 07:30.33 | vorpal | solitude-: various programs may need to be restarted, or re-reinitialized |
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| 07:30.43 | semprix | how do i update from sarge to etch? |
| 07:31.08 | streuner | semprix: read the release notes about |
| 07:31.09 | cast | MangosDebian: i did try to install Intel Visual Fortran once, which needed VC++, which needed SP2...weird how i got stuck in dependancy hell. |
| 07:31.18 | streuner | !sarge->etch |
| 07:31.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
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| 07:32.06 | streuner | !listkeys release |
| 07:32.07 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'release' by key (15 of 59): #debian release notes ;; #debian releases ;; _default debian release ;; _default releases ;; _default sarge release notes ;; debian release process ;; default release ;; etch release ;; etch release date ;; potato release ;; release ;; release plan ;; release-critical ;; released ;; sarge release notes. |
| 07:32.22 | streuner | !etch release notes |
| 07:32.30 | MangosDebian | cast: well, I have found numerous windows compilers out there that are OSS, but again, the issue is they generally dont use the *nix makefile and require you to setup the project and dep's manually in the IDE, which is hell if you don't know the project like the back of the developers hand |
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| 07:33.30 | wimpies | anybody here by chance that knows tomcat ? |
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| 07:33.48 | MangosDebian | isnt that apache + java or somethin? |
| 07:33.53 | wimpies | yes . |
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| 07:34.01 | MangosDebian | nope, never heard of it ;) |
| 07:34.05 | wimpies | :) |
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| 07:34.50 | streuner | dpkg, sarge->etch~ s/release notes/<release notes>/ |
| 07:35.12 | MangosDebian | =~? |
| 07:35.21 | vorpal | wimpies: i know Tomcat. he is a personal friend of mine. |
| 07:35.32 | obnauticus | How do I enable parrallel port support |
| 07:35.38 | streuner | MangoDe: thanks |
| 07:35.42 | obnauticus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:36.33 | MangosDebian | obnauticus: did the module load? |
| 07:36.38 | obnauticus | I dunno :/ |
| 07:36.57 | obnauticus | I think at kernel configuration i didn't know i was going to use the parrrallel port |
| 07:37.04 | MangosDebian | although I have noticed that parport and serials tend to get detected on boot regardless of bios setting on some boxen so *shrug* |
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| 07:37.26 | MangosDebian | obnauticus: oh, using custom kernel then I assume? |
| 07:37.32 | obnauticus | No... |
| 07:37.34 | obnauticus | I don't know |
| 07:37.34 | Zta | Two questions: I'm currently running sarge. 1) when I type 'apt-get dist-upgrade lenny' it will install a bunch of packages, but I haven't modified my sources.list to use the lenny pool yet, so how can I know what packages to get? 2) Am I not supposed to change my sources.list to point to lenny before I can dist-upgrade to it? |
| 07:37.38 | obnauticus | how do i enable it though lol |
| 07:37.50 | obnauticus | ok |
| 07:37.55 | obnauticus | I get this now: Failed to lock /dev/parport0: No such device or address |
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| 07:38.05 | obnauticus | after I ran this mknod /dev/parport0 c 99 0 |
| 07:38.27 | MangosDebian | obnauticus: first check dmesg and see of there is any mention of parport, worst case try modprobe parport and parport_pc |
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| 07:39.02 | obnauticus | parport_pc: VIA parallel port: io=0x378, irq=7 |
| 07:39.03 | obnauticus | lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven). |
| 07:39.03 | obnauticus | parport0: cannot grant exclusive access for device ppdev0 |
| 07:39.26 | MangosDebian | try use lp0 now |
| 07:39.29 | obnauticus | http://pastebin.ca/617439 |
| 07:39.31 | obnauticus | k |
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| 07:40.37 | obnauticus | MangosDebian I don't think with this umm |
| 07:40.46 | obnauticus | thing i can specify the device |
| 07:40.57 | bliss123 | MangoDebian: just take a look here think I have everything ready to start the build http://pastebin.com/d6fb0da94 |
| 07:41.21 | MangosDebian | bliss123: im in console and not in a position to view urls atm, sry |
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| 07:43.06 | obnauticus | MangosDebian how do i take off the umm |
| 07:43.09 | bliss123 | MangosDebian: total 40472 |
| 07:43.10 | bliss123 | drwxrwsr-x 4 root src 4096 2007-07-12 23:10 . |
| 07:43.10 | bliss123 | drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 4096 2007-07-11 22:02 .. |
| 07:43.10 | obnauticus | how do i remove parport0 from /dev |
| 07:43.11 | bliss123 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 28 2007-07-12 23:10 linux -> /usr/src/linux-source -2.6.18 |
| 07:43.11 | bliss123 | drwxr-xr-x 19 root root 4096 2007-07-13 09:34 linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 07:43.12 | bliss123 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 41380238 2007-05-02 00:54 linux-source-2.6.18.tar.bz2 |
| 07:43.36 | MangosDebian | you know, you could have pasted that to #flood.... |
| 07:43.48 | obnauticus | MangosDebian I said something within that floodl... |
| 07:43.52 | obnauticus | can you read it? |
| 07:43.53 | obnauticus | lol.... |
| 07:44.08 | bliss123 | MangosDebian: ok know for next time |
| 07:44.40 | MangosDebian | obnauticus: why do you want to remove it? |
| 07:44.49 | obnauticus | because my kernel is like mounting the parrallel port as lp0 |
| 07:45.06 | MangosDebian | bliss123: looks ok except for the space in the symlink |
| 07:45.08 | obnauticus | and i want to do ln -s /dev/lp0 /dev/parport0 |
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| 07:46.08 | MangosDebian | obnauticus: probably want udev rules to rename it or put it under both names |
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| 07:47.32 | obnauticus | MangosDebian: Failed to lock /dev/parport0: Invalid argument |
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| 07:48.12 | MangosDebian | obnauticus: ls -l /dev/parport0 and lp0, are they the same major/minor? |
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| 07:48.54 | MangosDebian | bliss123: try cd /usr/src/linux, does that work? or did you mess up your link name? |
| 07:49.13 | obnauticus | crw-rw-rw- 1 root lp 99, 0 2007-07-12 16:31 /dev/parport0 |
| 07:49.18 | obnauticus | crw-rw---- 1 root lp 6, 0 2007-07-12 16:28 /dev/lp0 |
| 07:49.59 | MangosDebian | obnauticus: well, they arent the same device for starters, plus lp0 is only writable by people in the lp group |
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| 07:50.14 | obnauticus | Well I only want access to my parrallel port |
| 07:50.15 | obnauticus | lo. |
| 07:50.49 | bliss123 | MangosDebian: ok heres what I did after untaring the source i ran ln -s /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18 /usr/src/linux then copy /boot/config-$(uname -r) to /usr/src/linux/.config and finally ln -s /usr/src/linux-source-`uname -r` /usr/src/linux |
| 07:50.49 | bliss123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:51.06 | obnauticus | MangosDebian plus i was running as root |
| 07:51.20 | bliss123 | MangosDebian: please tell where i went wrong |
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| 07:51.23 | MangosDebian | ok, the parport0 is the one you mknod'd |
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| 07:51.37 | robboplus | hello folks |
| 07:51.44 | obnauticus | (~/HairyMod)-(root@asterisk)--> cat > /dev/parport0 |
| 07:51.44 | obnauticus | p;l; |
| 07:51.44 | obnauticus | cat: write error: Invalid argument |
| 07:51.50 | robboplus | do you have a clue if it's possible to completely disable logging in apache2? |
| 07:52.15 | Jebediah | robboplus: maybe you can chattr +i the log file |
| 07:52.40 | robboplus | Jebediah oh hm but will that physically stop apache from trying to access the file? i guess not |
| 07:52.45 | MangosDebian | obnauticus: try with lp0. you need to go into /etc/udev and play with the rules if you want lp0 to also be called parport0 |
| 07:53.05 | bliss123 | MangosDebian: andypandy@debian:/usr/src/linux$ sems to be ok |
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| 07:53.09 | robboplus | thing is that apache is killing my hd... tons of stuff being written per second due to some heavy traffic on www |
| 07:53.10 | solitude- | whats the command in debian installer to disable auto probe but poad a specific module? |
| 07:53.18 | solitude- | s/poad/load |
| 07:53.43 | solitude- | I need to disable autoprobe then load aic7xxx.o |
| 07:53.44 | MangosDebian | bliss123: your probably good to go and try compile/install crypt then. follow the readme instructions |
| 07:54.04 | robboplus | MangosDebian hello man |
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| 07:54.11 | obnauticus | GOT IT |
| 07:54.13 | Jebediah | robboplus: I'm not sure, but it's worth a shot |
| 07:54.17 | obnauticus | MangosDebian it's because i was trying to jtag |
| 07:54.23 | MangosDebian | robboplus: hello |
| 07:54.24 | robboplus | Jebediah hm |
| 07:54.40 | Jebediah | robboplus: probably depends on if apache opens once when it starts, or each time it tries to append something |
| 07:54.53 | robboplus | Jebediah yeah, in fact |
| 07:55.02 | MangosDebian | obnauticus: your trying to jtag via parallel? |
| 07:55.12 | obnauticus | MangosDebian word. |
| 07:55.14 | obnauticus | want pictures? |
| 07:55.18 | robboplus | Jebediah i will try it, thank you - still i'm surprised that one can't just disable logging in apache conf files |
| 07:55.35 | MangosDebian | obnauticus: nah im good. your software doesnt allow you to specify the port device? |
| 07:55.35 | obnauticus | http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4866/dsc7487pe5.jpg |
| 07:55.44 | obnauticus | MangosDebian i can modify the source. |
| 07:55.46 | solitude- | any idea? |
| 07:55.54 | Jebediah | robboplus: there may be away, I don't know apache that well though. Then again what I said could be their standard solution for that too |
| 07:56.00 | MangosDebian | obnauticus: so its hardcoded to parport0? |
| 07:56.12 | obnauticus | MangosDebian the source is, yes |
| 07:56.15 | obnauticus | but i can change all umm |
| 07:56.22 | obnauticus | parport0 find and replace to lp0 |
| 07:56.27 | obnauticus | but it was because the lp module was loaded |
| 07:56.29 | bliss123 | MangosDebian: i know the truecrypt side how to run the sh and install but what about the build of the source kernel need to know the correct commands -done it once before but its been a long while |
| 07:56.30 | MangosDebian | obnauticus: udev is the "correct" way to do what you want |
| 07:57.06 | obnauticus | well MangosDebian |
| 07:57.09 | obnauticus | it's working |
| 07:57.10 | obnauticus | i think |
| 07:57.22 | obnauticus | http://pastebin.ca/617447 |
| 07:57.39 | MangosDebian | quiet the rats nest |
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| 07:58.52 | MangosDebian | bliss123: i dont think you actually have to compile the kernel for some reason. I dont remember 100% though. try configure truecrypt and see if it complains. worst case you may need to run a make oldconfig in the kernel once |
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| 07:59.50 | MangosDebian | obnauticus: ahh, wrt. you brick it already? or this just in case? :) |
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| 08:00.19 | obnauticus | it's bricked |
| 08:00.20 | MangosDebian | been meaning to get one of those things. beat my current router |
| 08:00.22 | obnauticus | do you wanna see the picture MangosDebian |
| 08:00.25 | obnauticus | t's so ghetto. |
| 08:00.31 | obnauticus | My router right now is a computer |
| 08:00.33 | obnauticus | freebsd with ipfw |
| 08:00.35 | obnauticus | it beats the crap out of this router |
| 08:00.40 | obnauticus | i just need it's wireless |
| 08:00.45 | MangosDebian | well, not sure how cool a picture of a router would be |
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| 08:01.28 | obnauticus | http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/9305/dsc7485su6.jpg |
| 08:01.29 | obnauticus | mp |
| 08:01.30 | obnauticus | no* |
| 08:01.32 | obnauticus | the jtag setup |
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| 08:01.37 | obnauticus | it's working too |
| 08:01.50 | obnauticus | http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4866/dsc7487pe5.jpg |
| 08:02.00 | vorpal | sitting on carpet. nice |
| 08:02.03 | bliss123 | MangosDebian: ok thanks i have patched truecrypt and as in the howto then it says Now start the build process, wait approx half an hour, start the install process and truecrypt is installed and should work. but I could try going to run the truecrypt sh command |
| 08:02.04 | obnauticus | no |
| 08:02.09 | obnauticus | it's suspended by cables vorq |
| 08:02.10 | obnauticus | vorpal89 |
| 08:02.12 | obnauticus | lol |
| 08:02.20 | gameman | whats the easiest way to remove 64 bytes from a large (70+ GB) file? the first 64 bytes specifically |
| 08:03.00 | cast | gameman: dd skip would be the slow way |
| 08:03.27 | gameman | problem is that i have to edit the file in place, i dont have the HD space to make copys |
| 08:03.32 | metbsd | does the debian 2.6.18 kernel package include iptable module? |
| 08:03.38 | Jebediah | gameman: hexedit? |
| 08:03.50 | gameman | doesnt do files that big |
| 08:03.54 | cast | gameman: what kind of file is it? |
| 08:03.56 | Jebediah | metbsd: I believe so |
| 08:04.03 | vorpal | gameman: if you have enough space, just rewrite the portion of the file you want |
| 08:04.09 | Jebediah | gameman: shoot; ghex maybe will? |
| 08:04.34 | MangosDebian | theres bound to be some hex editor capable of that. i know theres one in windows, but no idea for nix |
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| 08:04.38 | metbsd | so where does debian store iptables rules and load them up during booting |
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| 08:05.08 | gameman | cast: its a disk image, its the full disk, but as far as i know, mount wont mount it because its expecting a partition vorpal: not enough space, thats the way i would do it otherwise Jebediah: ghex, gui right? ill look into that in a sec |
| 08:05.10 | streuner | Debian does? |
| 08:05.22 | vorpal | gameman: ah, OK, then it's simply a matter of "shifting" stuff. you could write a program to do it easily enough |
| 08:05.58 | streuner | metbsd: search at debian-administration.org |
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| 08:06.18 | MangosDebian | gameman: you can just use losetup and offset 64 |
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| 08:06.38 | cast | :\ seems the answering machine kills the adsl |
| 08:06.41 | MangosDebian | although 64 doesnt sound right, sure its not 512? |
| 08:06.43 | gameman | MangosDebian: losetup? |
| 08:06.49 | streuner | metbsd: http://www.debian-administration.org/ they have a article about.... |
| 08:06.53 | wols_ | a1meit does not |
| 08:06.53 | MangosDebian | gameman: losetup --help |
| 08:06.58 | wols_ | metbsd: it does not |
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| 08:07.12 | vorpal | gameman: 1) seek to where you want to remove the 64 bytes. 2) copy the rest of the file 3) truncate the remaining 64 bytes |
| 08:07.17 | metbsd | oh man! i thought iptables reads rules and load them? |
| 08:07.52 | cydork | metbsd: /msg dpkg iptables |
| 08:07.52 | gameman | MangosDebian: thats what sfdisk -uS -l image.dd said for the starting point for the partition |
| 08:07.52 | wols_ | metbsd: where would does rules come from? |
| 08:07.52 | metbsd | wols_, i write them |
| 08:07.58 | wols_ | metbsd: man iptables-save |
| 08:08.14 | cast | gameman: rather than cutting off the 64bytes, you could just leave them. and when yo go to use the file just skip the first 64b |
| 08:08.19 | MangosDebian | gameman: well, regardless of how much padding there is, losetup should be able to skip it and work with it |
| 08:08.41 | vorpal | gameman, doing this to a disk image is probably not a good idea. are you trying to wipe the MBR? |
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| 08:09.30 | MangosDebian | gameman: is sfdisk considering the mbr/512bytes and the first part 64b offset from that? |
| 08:09.45 | obnauticus | MangosDebian: did you see my ghetto setup? |
| 08:10.04 | gameman | cast: its for mount, i dont think mount can work with full blown disk images, just images of partitions, MangosDebian: alright, ill look into losetup, and im unsure about sfdisk vorpal: im not sure, i just need the partition out of this disk image, so that i can mount it |
| 08:10.30 | MangosDebian | obnauticus: yes, very ghetto. May I suggest making a proper parallel cord next time with your resistors and going from there go the board though :) |
| 08:10.57 | cast | mount -o loop,offset=whatever |
| 08:10.58 | obnauticus | there are resistors on it |
| 08:11.01 | MangosDebian | obnauticus: digikey im sure has all the header styles you would need to solder onto that board and go to a parallel |
| 08:11.11 | obnauticus | and MangosDebian it's multiple use. |
| 08:11.14 | obnauticus | i can desolder it |
| 08:11.15 | obnauticus | and it will be fine |
| 08:11.16 | obnauticus | lol. |
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| 08:11.37 | gameman | cast, mount -o loop,offset=whatever will skip the first X bytes? |
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| 08:12.10 | Jebediah | gameman: ja, ghex is gui |
| 08:12.12 | MangosDebian | gameman: should work, although i rearely use mount directly myself |
| 08:12.21 | cast | gameman: http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/linux_loopback.html shows how |
| 08:12.28 | cast | gameman: but yes, that is how it seems. |
| 08:12.38 | semprix | how often does debian sends out new release? |
| 08:12.58 | cast | semprix: when they're ready |
| 08:13.12 | MangosDebian | gameman: try 64, if that doesnt work, try 512+64=576 |
| 08:13.19 | semprix | ive seen the releases and it has a max of 2 years? |
| 08:13.30 | semprix | thats long :) |
| 08:14.42 | MajorPayne | :-( |
| 08:14.42 | metbsd | anyone kindly tell me, how do i create a user for exim4 and dovecot pop3? |
| 08:14.52 | metbsd | im using mysql login authentication |
| 08:15.40 | wols_ | MajorPayne: why is he trying to offset? |
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| 08:16.03 | wols_ | semprix: not max. more like minimum. woody took almost 3 |
| 08:16.47 | semprix | thats long :( |
| 08:16.49 | solitude- | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:17.14 | Jebediah | isn't there a help screen solitude-? |
| 08:17.15 | vorpal | semprix: use another distro then |
| 08:17.24 | wols_ | solitude-: try "expert" |
| 08:17.35 | gameman | MangosDebian: tried 64 and 576, both dont work |
| 08:17.35 | solitude- | wols_, i tried that |
| 08:17.36 | solitude- | it fails too |
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| 08:17.43 | solitude- | since it tries to load from my scsi cdrom drive |
| 08:17.50 | gameman | lemme read up on the article cast mentioned and ill see where i get from there |
| 08:17.51 | wols_ | gameman: what are you trying to do exactly and why? |
| 08:17.58 | solitude- | after hanging on autoprobe |
| 08:18.00 | vorpal | semprix: i use 4 or 5 distros at the office |
| 08:18.06 | solitude- | i managed to do this on DSL, which is debian based |
| 08:18.07 | gameman | wols_: i have a disk image, and i need to mount a partition inside that disk image |
| 08:18.08 | solitude- | so i know its possible |
| 08:18.17 | solitude- | but i cant do it the debian way |
| 08:18.20 | MangosDebian | gameman: it sounds like your just using the wrong offset, not the syntax. |
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| 08:18.36 | wols_ | gameman: fdisk /file/diskimage |
| 08:18.39 | semprix | vorpal, im on debian at home and gentoo in the office and fbsd for my servers |
| 08:18.44 | wols_ | in there, what does the partition table say |
| 08:18.51 | semprix | im just kinda choosing nice distros for desktop |
| 08:18.53 | semprix | :0 |
| 08:18.54 | vorpal | semprix: i use debian on my servers |
| 08:19.01 | MajorPayne | wols_: "No more space on disk." |
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| 08:19.14 | semprix | vorpal, how about desktop ? |
| 08:19.20 | vorpal | semprix: for desktops i use centos and ubuntu |
| 08:19.25 | wols_ | MajorPayne: huh? |
| 08:19.34 | semprix | ohh i see |
| 08:19.36 | semprix | :) |
| 08:19.39 | vorpal | semprix: although i use debian on my own desktop |
| 08:19.48 | MajorPayne | wols_: 04:15 < wols_> MajorPayne: why is he trying to offset? |
| 08:19.53 | MangosDebian | gameman: worse case if you feel like "guessing", you can use a tiny for loop with the seq command to try a few thousand differnt offsets from 0..4k or something until you get a file -s that lands so to speak |
| 08:19.56 | semprix | maybe ill go for debian for my desktop :) |
| 08:20.12 | semprix | currently im using gentoo which really gives me a pain in the ass compiling stuffs |
| 08:20.33 | vorpal | semprix: you don't say |
| 08:20.39 | vorpal | ;-) |
| 08:20.42 | semprix | say what? |
| 08:20.55 | semprix | yeah its indeed hell of a time consuming :( |
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| 08:21.12 | gameman | i got it, cast's link helped |
| 08:21.16 | gameman | Thanks :) |
| 08:21.23 | MangosDebian | semprix: distcc! |
| 08:21.28 | metbsd | where do i install dig? |
| 08:21.36 | metbsd | i need the dig command |
| 08:21.45 | cast | metbsd: then use apt-file search |
| 08:21.47 | vorpal | MangosDebian: or better yet, just say no to ricers! |
| 08:21.48 | MangosDebian | semprix: get enough machines behind it and you should be down to seconds :) |
| 08:21.50 | solitude- | gneh |
| 08:21.55 | solitude- | this is driving me insane |
| 08:22.05 | solitude- | why can i do it in DSL, but not debian -.- |
| 08:22.18 | Jebediah | dsl might have a differently configured kernel? |
| 08:22.28 | solitude- | wel, maybe |
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| 08:22.31 | solitude- | but masically |
| 08:22.35 | metbsd | i don't have apt-file |
| 08:22.36 | solitude- | basically* |
| 08:22.37 | Jebediah | solitude-: I mean not everything can be a module |
| 08:22.45 | solitude- | i know |
| 08:22.55 | semprix | :) |
| 08:22.58 | solitude- | you know BEFORe it loads vmlinux? |
| 08:23.02 | solitude- | you get hat boot promot |
| 08:23.08 | solitude- | that* prompt* |
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| 08:23.23 | solitude- | where you can specify install, installgui, expert, expertgui |
| 08:23.53 | vorpal | semprix: http://web.archive.org/web/20060306002734/http://www.funroll-loops.org/ |
| 08:24.03 | solitude- | then add extra paramters, I need todusable the scsi autoprobe, then load a specific one. I did it in DSL, but the boot prompt was a little different. |
| 08:24.07 | MangosDebian | solitude-: why cant you just load the module before you get to the detect hd part? |
| 08:24.12 | solitude- | to disable* |
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| 08:24.27 | solitude- | MangosDebian, because after the boot: prompt, it tries to autoprobe my scsi cdrm drive, and hangs |
| 08:24.36 | solitude- | its a known issue |
| 08:24.49 | solitude- | the help file says to use aic7xxx.aic7xxx=noprobe |
| 08:24.51 | solitude- | to stop it hanging |
| 08:24.56 | solitude- | but then the scsi drive isnt recognised at all |
| 08:25.08 | solitude- | so i need t then load the module fr it, aic7xxx.o |
| 08:25.16 | vorpal | "Gentoo users are proof that society is best served by roving gangs of armed vigilantes, dishing out swift, cold justice with baseball bats to those fucking ricer bastards. |
| 08:25.16 | gameman | alright, next question, i need to find a folder within a mount, i know the name is gonna be 2003* any ways to search? |
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| 08:25.39 | MangosDebian | solitude-: can you also specify <your module>=probe? |
| 08:25.59 | metbsd | how do i get the command dig? |
| 08:26.00 | semprix | vorpal, Watching shit scroll by for hours makes me a Linux expert overnight! |
| 08:26.08 | vorpal | lol |
| 08:26.19 | semprix | ---> ive experienced that compiling gnome-light takes forever |
| 08:26.22 | metbsd | i'm not hosting a domain name server |
| 08:26.25 | MangosDebian | metbsd: you were already told to try apt-file |
| 08:26.27 | metbsd | i just want to dig something |
| 08:26.31 | metbsd | i have no apt-file |
| 08:26.38 | solitude- | lets see |
| 08:26.39 | MangosDebian | then install it |
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| 08:28.57 | solitude- | MangosDebian, no |
| 08:28.58 | solitude- | it dont want it to probe for it |
| 08:29.02 | solitude- | i want it to just oad the module |
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| 08:30.12 | MangosDebian | solitude-: the installer wont even start without your module loaded? |
| 08:32.09 | solitude- | MangosDebian, correct |
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| 08:34.48 | netdaemon | is there a way to throttle aptitude's downloads? |
| 08:35.38 | Jebediah | netdaemon: if there is let me know! |
| 08:35.54 | MangosDebian | traffic shaping, but thats far from ideal |
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| 08:36.07 | valdyn | netdaemon: trickle |
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| 08:37.26 | cast | lol @ vrms pkg |
| 08:37.34 | netdaemon | trickle...hm |
| 08:37.52 | dotz | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.59 | dotz | what should i do to clean it up? tried apt-get clean and apt-get autoclean |
| 08:38.01 | Thumann | hi, i'm trying to get syntax coloring in vim, but if i want to apt-get install vim-full .. it wants to install 76MB of stuff.. can't that really be needed? |
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| 08:38.52 | cast | Thumann: i just have 'vim' installed, and have syntax hilighting |
| 08:39.02 | Thumann | cast: what am i missing then? :x |
| 08:39.31 | cast | Thumann: aptitude install vim do anything? |
| 08:39.55 | Thumann | cast: yeah, it wants to install libgpmg1 vim vim-runtime |
| 08:39.58 | netdaemon | debian comes with vim-lite by default, no highlighting |
| 08:40.11 | cast | Thumann: and if you let it? |
| 08:40.14 | valdyn | netdaemon: umm |
| 08:40.29 | valdyn | i bet even vim-tiny has it |
| 08:40.33 | cast | netdaemon: vim-tiny don't-ya-mean |
| 08:40.36 | valdyn | and vim-lite doesnt exist in debian |
| 08:40.39 | semprix | do you guys agree with this --> "I don't think that Debian can really compete with Gentoo. Sure it might be okay, but when it comes to dependencies, you probably are still going to have to get them all on your own. Or is there something like portage in the Debian world as well?" |
| 08:40.41 | netdaemon | yeah that |
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| 08:40.57 | Thumann | cast: done, do i need to enable it? |
| 08:41.09 | valdyn | :syntax on |
| 08:41.24 | netdaemon | so to use trickle...just trickle -d 20 aptitude install foo |
| 08:41.25 | netdaemon | ? |
| 08:41.28 | gameman | semprix: apt is much better at handling dependencys than gentoo imo |
| 08:41.31 | cast | semprix: from what you've pasted...seems like a load of steaming shit |
| 08:41.40 | Thumann | valdyn: Thanks! :) |
| 08:41.46 | Thumann | cast: and thanks to you :D |
| 08:41.52 | valdyn | semprix: that's one funny theory |
| 08:41.59 | semprix | heh |
| 08:42.06 | cast | semprix: sounds like someones never used apt before, or seen apt. or infact knows anything at all about Debian |
| 08:42.08 | semprix | yeah |
| 08:42.40 | semprix | well yeah.. ive just read the article.http://web.archive.org/web/20060306002734/http://www.funroll-loops.org/ |
| 08:42.54 | freetos | how do i get libdvdcss installed, i've got libdvdcss2 installed, but i want the original |
| 08:42.58 | cast | ahh. is that an actual gentoo forum quote i wonder |
| 08:43.14 | valdyn | freetos: what's 'not original' about libdvdcss2? |
| 08:43.27 | freetos | it won't play an encrypted dvd |
| 08:43.34 | valdyn | freetos: nonsense |
| 08:43.43 | valdyn | !debian-multimedia |
| 08:43.43 | dpkg | i guess debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 08:43.46 | netdaemon | sweet |
| 08:43.46 | netdaemon | this works great |
| 08:43.46 | netdaemon | =) |
| 08:43.46 | netdaemon | ty valdyn |
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| 08:44.12 | metbsd | hell no |
| 08:44.20 | freetos | The source seems encrypted, and can't be read. Are you trying to play an encrypted DVD without libdvdcss? |
| 08:44.24 | metbsd | apt-file find dig.. returns me million lines |
| 08:44.29 | cast | semprix: you do know that site was satire right? |
| 08:44.36 | cast | metbsd: apt-file search bin/dig does not. |
| 08:44.56 | metbsd | why bin/dig |
| 08:45.06 | cast | think about it. |
| 08:45.18 | valdyn | freetos: that error message doesnt try to imply that libdvdcss2 is the wrong solution |
| 08:45.24 | semprix | cast, yeah |
| 08:45.38 | MangosDebian | metbsd: apt-file search dig | grep "dig$" and understand why |
| 08:45.57 | netdaemon | hrm |
| 08:46.00 | MangosDebian | or better yet, grep "/dig$" |
| 08:46.00 | freetos | dpkg, what about debian-multimedia.etch? |
| 08:46.09 | solitude- | anyone know of a mirror to debian 3.0/3.1 with the 2.4 kernel? |
| 08:46.40 | MangosDebian | !archives |
| 08:46.40 | dpkg | archive is, like, a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 08:46.48 | cast | http://archive.debian.org/ probably |
| 08:47.04 | MangosDebian | seems a tad out of date? |
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| 08:47.14 | cast | its missing pax! |
| 08:47.24 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 08:47.32 | xlotlu | is there a gentooish way to manage packages? e.g. when package updated, run apt-build on it, while applying my patches to the sources |
| 08:47.58 | netdaemon | not sure if trickle is doing the job... |
| 08:48.14 | cast | netdaemon: i was suspecious as to if trickle would work, i mean aptitude looks like it calls wget |
| 08:48.22 | vorpal | xlotlu: download the source package, apply your patches, build a new package |
| 08:48.24 | netdaemon | boosts way above the limit |
| 08:48.24 | netdaemon | hrm |
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| 08:48.59 | cast | hmm, wget isn't a dependancy of aptitude. i guess it doesn't |
| 08:49.01 | xlotlu | vorpal: that's what i'm doing now. was looking for a more automated way to do it. like apt-build, but with my patches |
| 08:49.05 | MangosDebian | netdaemon: traffic shaping will definetly do it, but I would check google for a dpkg conf option that may do it for you. don't know if one exists though |
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| 08:49.39 | jnguy | Hey guys. |
| 08:49.45 | dotz | Cannot load /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so into server: /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory <-- why do i keep getting this while installing apache? |
| 08:49.53 | jnguy | I can't figure out why I can't ssh to a machine from an external network. |
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| 08:50.17 | vorpal | xlotlu: is this just for select packages, or what? |
| 08:50.17 | Jebediah | jnguy: firewall? |
| 08:50.44 | jnguy | I don't have iptables on it. |
| 08:51.03 | xlotlu | vorpal: yup. i don't intend to build world |
| 08:52.08 | MangosDebian | xlotlu: apt-build doesnt support custom patches? :( |
| 08:52.22 | xlotlu | ideally, i'd like apt-get upgrade to lookup the packages on my build list, and either install the binaries, or fetch the sources, patch, build package, install |
| 08:52.29 | xlotlu | MangosDebian: i know |
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| 08:55.31 | MangosDebian | xlotlu: apt-build --patch <file>? |
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| 08:56.35 | xlotlu | MangosDebian: yeah, but no easy way to maintain package -- patches dependencies |
| 08:57.02 | solitude- | wee |
| 08:57.06 | solitude- | i hve a new hobby |
| 08:57.22 | solitude- | bashing cardboard into their food |
| 08:57.22 | solitude- | [09:44:13] * WaV (WaV@ip70-187-94-191.ga.at.c |
| 08:57.38 | solitude- | O_O I meant... bashing debian installer and atitude |
| 08:57.46 | MangosDebian | xlotlu: could always for loop in a script for each package applying the appropriate patch filename? |
| 08:58.22 | xlotlu | guess i should write a wrapper script to do exactly that... apt-get upgrade -s and see if it should do apt-get install, or apt-build --patch |
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| 09:00.29 | MangosDebian | xlotlu: that or just fork the package and maintain it seperately with your patches applied and use ftp-watch to catch when to update your orig.tar.gz? |
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| 09:03.37 | baconbacon | Hi, I have an ... interesting ... question (probably) concerning `tar`. Anyone have some tips on how to archive files using multiple block devices (hard disks) of different sizes? |
| 09:04.39 | MangosDebian | baconbacon: ? like /path1/ /path2/? |
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| 09:06.08 | MangosDebian | well, good thing he didnt switch OS's for something silly |
| 09:06.50 | baconbacon | Oops, forget about it, --multi-volume (-M) manages unexpected taped end correctly it seems |
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| 09:09.29 | netdaemon | weee |
| 09:09.33 | MangosDebian | baconbacon: ah ok, thought you meant tar up multiple paths, sory |
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| 09:17.11 | axos88 | Hi all! I am trying to do a netinst on an ASUS f3sv. Debian installer says that it cannot find the ethernet card, and wants me to specify a driver... I have no idea which one I would need... Can u help me please? |
| 09:17.43 | xand | axos88: do you need the network card to install? |
| 09:17.47 | phix | hey |
| 09:18.08 | axos88 | well i'm doing a netinst, so.. uh.. yeah |
| 09:18.09 | phix | how does one force a particular ethernet module to bind to a particular ethX name? |
| 09:18.10 | Arafangion | axos88: Find the tech specs for the laptop. |
| 09:18.18 | siimo | axos88: what installer ya using |
| 09:18.33 | valdyn | phix: you edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 09:18.36 | axos88 | the USB key installer |
| 09:18.46 | axos88 | HD-media |
| 09:18.51 | axos88 | etch |
| 09:18.55 | siimo | ah |
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| 09:19.28 | siimo | try this one axos88 http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 09:19.36 | siimo | it still installs etch |
| 09:19.50 | valdyn | axos88: i would use the 1st cd for installation and see about that nic later. Its very new hardware, and the etch installer might not support it |
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| 09:20.32 | saintiss | is it possible to list the contents of a tar file, but only those at top level? |
| 09:20.37 | saintiss | (i.e. no files in subdirs) |
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| 09:21.41 | axos88 | valdyn: I don't have a blank CD at hand |
| 09:21.58 | phix | valdyn: ok, so I don't use the mapping keyword in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 09:22.36 | solid_liq | !luddite |
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| 09:24.54 | rohan | anyone has an idea how to concurrently run debian and ubuntu (or any other debian based distro) ? both want control of /boot and want to automatically update menu.lst as new kernels are added, but they both can't do it.. atleast one of the OS needs to be added outside the dpkg auto config area .. is it possible to have both of them update menu.lst automatically ? |
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| 09:26.11 | wols_ | rohan: why do you have a common /boot for both? |
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| 09:26.31 | phix | rohan: yeah, install them into different partitions |
| 09:26.44 | phix | rohan: even |
| 09:26.47 | phix | lol |
| 09:27.14 | valdyn | rohan: why would you use the same /boot for both? |
| 09:28.19 | netdaemon | custom kernel's perhaps |
| 09:30.18 | rohan | phix: they are on different boot partition |
| 09:30.35 | rohan | valdyn: i have a /boot which is independant of all distros. it is a different boot partition |
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| 09:30.59 | valdyn | rohan: more like 'messed with by all distros' |
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| 09:31.07 | phix | install ubuntu and debian onto seperate partitions, including / |
| 09:31.19 | phix | partitions / filesystems, you can use LVM |
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| 09:32.10 | valdyn | rohan: sharing /boot is fucked up, dont do it |
| 09:32.12 | solid_liq | hey, check this out: http://freshmeat.net/projects/konsoledcopscheme/ |
| 09:32.19 | rohan | valdyn: err.. what would be the optimum solution then ? |
| 09:32.29 | valdyn | rohan: not sharing /boot |
| 09:32.47 | netdaemon | give them their own / partitions, thats it |
| 09:33.04 | wasdon | Stuggart Neural Network Simulator is supposed to be available in non-free. I have this specified in my sources.list but a 'apt-cache search' produces nothing. can anyone help? |
| 09:33.18 | rohan | valdyn: oh .. that way each won't see the others /boot. but then which grub to install MBR ? and how can grub see 2 menu.lst's at a time ? |
| 09:33.33 | phix | rohan: if you are sharing the same / then as soon as you install a package in some distro it will start overwriting files used in the other |
| 09:33.37 | wasdon | i have searched for snns in the 'testing' repo. |
| 09:33.43 | valdyn | rohan: grub doesnt need to be on an mbr, grub can be chainloaded |
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| 09:34.07 | rohan | phix: i am not sharing the same / , it was a typo on part of NeanT |
| 09:34.11 | rohan | *netdaemon |
| 09:34.20 | phix | you can share the same SWAP space though |
| 09:34.21 | netdaemon | phix: he's not, he wants to share a /boot |
| 09:34.32 | rohan | valdyn: ah, then what do i install on mbr ? |
| 09:34.41 | valdyn | rohan: one of both grubs |
| 09:35.54 | rohan | valdyn: oh ok. so debian's grub installs to mbr and ubuntu's to /dev/hda3 for example .. and then ? |
| 09:36.03 | valdyn | rohan: right |
| 09:36.30 | wasdon | no one here knows anything about snns? |
| 09:36.35 | netdaemon | rohan: why do you want both deb and ubuntu anyways? |
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| 09:36.38 | valdyn | rohan: then debian's gruib needs to reference that ubuntu grub on hda3 |
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| 09:37.06 | valdyn | rohan: this is done the same way you add a windows boot entry in grub - example is in menu.lst or /usr/share/doc/grub/ |
| 09:37.07 | OpenBot | Hmm. No matches for that, valdyn. |
| 09:37.14 | rohan | netdaemon: well .. preference ;) |
| 09:37.23 | rohan | valdyn: ah, thanks .. |
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| 09:38.38 | compDo | Are there any conventions for the IDs of user processes? Do they have a minimal value? |
| 09:38.54 | valdyn | compDo: you mean PIDs |
| 09:38.59 | valdyn | compDo: nope |
| 09:39.00 | compDo | yes |
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| 09:39.07 | netdaemon | rohan: if you can do it in ubuntu, i can pretty much garantee that deb will do it too |
| 09:39.18 | rohan | netdaemon: right |
| 09:39.21 | compDo | so, could a user process get for example the PID 1? |
| 09:39.25 | rohan | netdaemon: and the other way round too |
| 09:40.01 | valdyn | compDo: theoretically |
| 09:40.13 | netdaemon | rohan: ah but i like building my system from the ground up, that install everything at once scares me =) |
| 09:40.17 | valdyn | compDo: 1 is preoccupied though |
| 09:40.27 | compDo | by init, ok but 2 |
| 09:40.35 | rohan | valdyn: so, on bootup i'll have two entries .. Debian and Ubuntu .. and each will change the root, and both will have grub installed to that specific /, which will load the appropriate grub .. right ? |
| 09:40.46 | rohan | netdaemon: ubuntu has a minimal install cdrom too, or an alternate cdrom |
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| 09:41.31 | valdyn | rohan: the grub you see first should lead directly to the os you install it from, and provide a link to the grub for the other os |
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| 09:41.53 | valdyn | rohan: ( your description sounded like you were trying to get a fork with 3 grubs involved |
| 09:41.57 | rohan | valdyn: ah correct, that's simpler |
| 09:42.06 | rohan | no no, your description is the way i want :) |
| 09:42.52 | dotz | .. /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed <-- i keep getting that..what could be wrong? |
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| 09:43.27 | valdyn | dotz: anything |
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| 09:44.23 | netdaemon | rohan: i see an alternat install that uses a text installer, but no mini cd :P |
| 09:44.28 | dotz | i'm trying to start /etc/init.d/mysql start |
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| 09:45.09 | rohan | netdaemon: there is one .. i can link you, if you are interested. |
| 09:46.07 | netdaemon | link, in pm |
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| 09:50.16 | GreaseMonkey | bye everyone |
| 09:50.22 | cast | bye |
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| 09:50.52 | rohan | netdaemon: hang on for a second |
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| 09:53.06 | Eulex | is there a 'conflict'-mode in patch, so it can apply patches the way svn/cvs does it and create conflicts where it fails to apply chunks? |
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| 09:53.48 | simonrvn | there's the .rej files |
| 09:53.55 | kanpachi | hello, i want to netinstall etch, do i have to manually enter a mirror ? or does it have a list ? |
| 09:54.21 | simonrvn | it'll set one up based on what you tell it |
| 09:54.45 | kanpachi | i see, can i enter one manually? |
| 09:55.18 | simonrvn | you can also change it from within the installer, via editor. sorta, more like you get asked a bunch of questions and hit enter on your choices. |
| 09:55.54 | kanpachi | i see thanx |
| 09:55.57 | simonrvn | sorry, misread that |
| 09:55.59 | simonrvn | np |
| 09:56.21 | dotz | is there anyway to skip the fsck check when booting up while it is in progress? |
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| 09:56.33 | kanpachi | so if i wanna direct it to a local mirror, will this address do it? |
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| 09:56.50 | kanpachi | http://www.debian.co.il/debian/dists/stable/? |
| 09:56.57 | kanpachi | or do i have to direct it to main ? |
| 09:57.19 | MajorPayne | Hi. I just installed bittornodo with "aptitude install bittornado" but when I type bittornado in a shell the command is not found and man bittornado reveals nothing. How do I figure out how to launch the application? |
| 09:57.30 | simonrvn | youll have to formulate that as a deb line, but if the mirror is set up properly it shouldn't be a problem |
| 09:57.35 | simonrvn | you'll* |
| 09:57.40 | kanpachi | deb line? |
| 09:57.46 | kanpachi | deb http// etc? |
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| 09:58.25 | SlayerXP | MajorPayne: dpkg -L bittornado |
| 09:58.25 | kanpachi | thanx :) |
| 09:58.25 | simonrvn | e.g., deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 09:58.25 | kanpachi | thanx :) |
| 09:58.30 | simonrvn | yup |
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| 09:59.20 | MajorPayne | SlayerXP: Ahh. Thanks. |
| 09:59.49 | phix | meow |
| 09:59.49 | kanpachi | i'll install it once it finishes d/ling |
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| 10:06.16 | eth01 | hey.. how can i install apache with php with zend? |
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| 10:06.55 | axos88 | valdyn: Okay, I have a running linux now, but it doesn't reckognize my NIC... He said something about detecting a firewire port, and that that might serve as a NIC but that seemed awkward... |
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| 10:13.17 | axos88 | Hi guys... I've just installed Debian-amd64 from a netinst HD-MEDIA. the installer didn't reckognize my NIC (i have both LAN and WLAN), so installed only the minimal system... But still no NIC (well no wonder)... What can I do? I have a brand new ASUS F3SV laptop |
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| 10:13.38 | bliss123 | hi |
| 10:13.38 | OpenBot | hi, bliss123 |
| 10:13.44 | azeem | axos88: what kind of NIC do you have? |
| 10:13.45 | azeem | hi |
| 10:14.02 | peter__ | good morning |
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| 10:14.13 | axos88 | that's the problem... i don't know, and can't find specs anywhere... only "LAN 10/100"... great... |
| 10:14.31 | axos88 | even the manual has all that much of info |
| 10:14.33 | azeem | axos88: run "lscpi | grep Ethernet" |
| 10:14.36 | bliss123 | getting a little worried Building internal kernel modules (may take a long time)...uumm 1hours 15 mins so far |
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| 10:15.10 | axos88 | azeem: command not found :| |
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| 10:16.10 | streuner | !info pciutils |
| 10:16.13 | dpkg | pciutils: (Linux PCI Utilities), section admin, is standard. Version: 1:2.2.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 206 kB, Installed size: 672 kB |
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| 10:16.53 | streuner | !Installit |
| 10:16.54 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 10:18.05 | axos88 | streuner: now if you had payed attention, you would have seen, that my problem is not being able to detect my NIC... so no apt-get for me *shrug* |
| 10:18.27 | streuner | hehe :-) |
| 10:18.43 | streuner | well, somebody with humor at least :-) |
| 10:18.44 | axos88 | you find that funny huh? I don't :P |
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| 10:18.59 | siimo | axos88: did you try the installer i linked |
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| 10:19.03 | axos88 | yeah |
| 10:19.05 | axos88 | same result |
| 10:19.13 | streuner | axos88: you have internet, so whats the problem? |
| 10:19.16 | axos88 | siimo: it was the lenny installer, right? |
| 10:19.22 | axos88 | yeah, on my desktop... |
| 10:19.29 | siimo | not really .. just an updated etch installer |
| 10:19.36 | MatBoy | on a Intel E2140 I need to install a 64 bits X86 version ? |
| 10:19.43 | streuner | axos88: get the package via pdo (packages.debian.org) and install it via dpkg -i <package> |
| 10:19.55 | siimo | MatBoy: 32 bit will work fine |
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| 10:20.11 | axos88 | hmm... okay... which one? 'caz i forgot :p |
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| 10:20.17 | bluiid | Hi, what is the way to delete files older than 24h? |
| 10:20.33 | streuner | axos88: packages.debian.org/pciutils |
| 10:20.36 | axos88 | bluiid: I just wrote a script for that |
| 10:20.39 | MatBoy | siimo, any advantages with 64 bits or none ? |
| 10:20.46 | bluiid | axos88: can you tell me how? |
| 10:20.48 | azeem | axos88: sorry, lspci |
| 10:20.51 | azeem | streuner: my bad |
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| 10:20.54 | axos88 | bluiid: 1mmnt |
| 10:20.59 | siimo | MatBoy: some but right now i'd use 32bits if its for desktop use |
| 10:21.09 | MatBoy | siimo, serveruse |
| 10:21.13 | MatBoy | so that's why |
| 10:21.15 | siimo | not really any significant advantages |
| 10:21.20 | MatBoy | ok |
| 10:21.22 | siimo | how much memory |
| 10:21.41 | axos88 | bluiid: see pm |
| 10:21.45 | axos88 | doesn't have that either |
| 10:21.47 | MatBoy | I need to find out if netdirector works on Debian, I think it's a very nice package comparing to Webmin |
| 10:21.49 | axos88 | ok, i'm gonna download |
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| 10:22.29 | streuner | axos88: besides, dmesg should tell you about your NIC some infos as well |
| 10:23.12 | axos88 | streuner: should I grep for NIC? |
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| 10:24.03 | bkhl | Does anyone here know if it's possible to get udevd trigger on inserting a CD-ROM, so I can have it automount it? |
| 10:24.09 | Jakes | Hi There, we manage 100's of servers via SSH - while this has been our defacto standard for years it's becoming a bit difficult having proper change control procedures and ensuring certain systems have similar configs intact etc, what im getting at is there must be a better way to manage 1000's of servers than just SSH? something that uses SSH as a backend for example... does anyone have any ideas if such utilities exist? I've had a look at cfengine, it l |
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| 10:25.01 | streuner | axos88: dmesg | grep eth0 , but dont flood us :-) |
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| 10:25.11 | bkhl | Jakes: depends on what you mean by "manage". But have you looked at Kerberos? |
| 10:25.22 | axos88 | streuner: don't worry, i'm not a flooder, i've learnt to use pastebin |
| 10:25.25 | cast | asdf |
| 10:25.28 | cast | uh, sorry. |
| 10:25.34 | axos88 | but anyhow I already tried that once... |
| 10:25.44 | streuner | axos88: if you cannot see something, its likey that the kernel doesnt regonizes the NIC at all... |
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| 10:26.14 | axos88 | eth1394: eth0 IEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet (fw-host0) |
| 10:26.18 | axos88 | this is not it I guess |
| 10:26.27 | streuner | firewire |
| 10:26.32 | axos88 | yeah |
| 10:26.40 | peter__ | is there any way to unrar file with password under console? |
| 10:26.43 | axos88 | but I have a real, normal UTP plug... |
| 10:26.44 | streuner | eth01: VIA Rhine II at 0x1e800, 00:0d:87:a8:6b:5b, IRQ 11. |
| 10:27.14 | axos88 | peter__ unrarcommand -p < password.txt |
| 10:27.25 | axos88 | i think that might do the trick |
| 10:27.26 | streuner | axos88: something like this: eth0: VIA Rhine II at 0x1e800, 00:0d:87:a8:6b:5b, IRQ 11. |
| 10:27.34 | axos88 | streuner: nothing |
| 10:27.45 | axos88 | grepped for just "eth" but only this sole line is printed |
| 10:27.50 | streuner | axos88: How about to use another NIC then? |
| 10:28.03 | axos88 | streuner: huh? |
| 10:28.07 | streuner | axos88: they are really cheap |
| 10:28.15 | axos88 | streuner: It's a laptop....... |
| 10:28.24 | streuner | axos88: what does "cat /proc/version"? |
| 10:28.32 | streuner | oh |
| 10:28.46 | axos88 | 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 10:28.47 | bkhl | Lots of laptops have easily replacable mini-pci wifi cards, for instance. |
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| 10:29.14 | streuner | axos88: what model (laptop) do you have? |
| 10:29.20 | axos88 | asus f3sv |
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| 10:29.49 | Noborusan | I used date -s to mutify time and date, will they change after a reboot ? |
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| 10:30.27 | Jakes | bkl: What I mean by manage is mainly change control, knowing who did what... and possibly taking it a step further, ie if u look at history and setup user accounts its all great to see a guy did a vi somefile, but what was changed in that file for example. just simple change control and ease of management really. |
| 10:31.11 | bkhl | Jakes: that sounds like something completely different than SSH, for starters. |
| 10:31.35 | bkhl | Jakes: more like some administration gui, like webadmin or something. |
| 10:31.35 | Jakes | yes as I said it would be an application of some sorts on top of ssh or something along those lines. |
| 10:32.05 | Jakes | just wanted to know if anyone knew of anything as googling for all different keywords doesnt provide much, just cfengine... |
| 10:32.16 | bkhl | I'd look into sharing as much of the OS as possible over NFS (or something better), and syncing passwords with NIS. |
| 10:32.38 | Noborusan | strange,i run 'clock -w',says command not found |
| 10:32.41 | Jakes | we've got the password authentication covered... NFS is ugly, we use kerberos and things like that - it's more change control. |
| 10:32.42 | bkhl | That is, basically have all of /usr or so on a central server. |
| 10:32.47 | jatt | Jakes: pconsole |
| 10:33.16 | Jakes | jatt: great will have a look... |
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| 10:33.39 | bkhl | Nobody knows anything about my udev question? |
| 10:33.49 | axos88 | streuner: asus f3sv ap067 actually |
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| 10:34.21 | streuner | axos88: fine, just tell what lspci says and do what azeem told you |
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| 10:34.37 | axos88 | ok |
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| 10:35.21 | axos88 | was the package called "pcitools"? because debian says it cannot find it |
| 10:35.37 | streuner | !info pciutils |
| 10:35.38 | gordboy | i wonder if gnome-volume-manager, gnome-vfs, hal would conspire to automount removables and show a nice little icon for bkhl on the desktop ? just a thought |
| 10:35.41 | dpkg | pciutils: (Linux PCI Utilities), section admin, is standard. Version: 1:2.2.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 206 kB, Installed size: 672 kB |
| 10:35.41 | OpenBot | i already had it that way, dpkg. |
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| 10:35.48 | Jakes | jatt: this looks good for running multiple commands on clustered servers, thats one step of the equation, now to find something with change control too ;) |
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| 10:36.26 | axos88 | pciutils, got it |
| 10:36.50 | MasterGH | Hi, after adding some font packs (which redid the font cache) the monospace font (usually used in Terminal in Xfce and in Editting menus on websites) has gone fuzzy and multicoloured, does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 10:37.01 | tarzeau | MasterGH: i broke it :) |
| 10:37.05 | azeem | OpenBot: you've been silenced for being a rogue bot, contact me or #debian-ops if you think this is not OK |
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| 10:37.28 | tarzeau | MasterGH: you can remove the gw-fonts-ttf and it's good again |
| 10:37.49 | tarzeau | MasterGH: #395487 i don't know how to fix it |
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| 10:38.14 | MasterGH | tarzeau: I don't actually have that package installed, I only installed some fonts beginning with "ttf-" |
| 10:38.20 | tarzeau | MasterGH: ttf-georgewilliams |
| 10:38.29 | tarzeau | MasterGH: the above was the source package name |
| 10:38.39 | MasterGH | tarzeau: ahh, ok |
| 10:38.55 | axos88 | streunner: oh great dependency for ever.... |
| 10:39.34 | MasterGH | tarzeau: I did install that one :) I'll see what happens when I remove. |
| 10:39.41 | tarzeau | MasterGH: it'll be good again :) |
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| 10:40.37 | MasterGH | tarzeau: yep, all better! thanks very much for the help! |
| 10:40.47 | tarzeau | MasterGH: the problem remains... |
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| 10:42.14 | MasterGH | tarzeau: yeah...what other fonts were included with that package? I installed a heap in one go, only had time to look at around 2/3s of the individual fonts (which was a lot) |
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| 10:42.54 | tarzeau | MasterGH: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=ttf-georgewilliams&version=unstable&arch=all |
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| 10:43.03 | axos88 | streuner: lspci | grep eth --> 02:0.0 Ethernet controller: Unknown device 1969:1048 (rev b0) (i guess this isn't good news, huh?) |
| 10:43.23 | MasterGH | tarzeau: hehe, forgot you could look at the contence on the packages site |
| 10:43.26 | tarzeau | axos88: try update-pciids |
| 10:43.30 | axos88 | azeem: lspci | grep eth --> 02:0.0 Ethernet controller: Unknown device 1969:1048 (rev b0) (i guess this isn't good news, huh?) |
| 10:43.58 | axos88 | tarzeau: As I said... no internet |
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| 10:44.25 | tarzeau | axos88: do it on a machine with internet, get the right file, on usbstick/floppy/cd, and put it in place? |
| 10:44.53 | axos88 | yeah, i'm just trying that |
| 10:45.02 | axos88 | but where do I put this file? |
| 10:45.03 | unlink | which debconf variable controls whether exim4 listens as a daemon? |
| 10:45.20 | unlink | i only want to use exim4 to send mail, never to receive it |
| 10:45.37 | valdyn | unlink: then there's no reason to use exim4 at all |
| 10:45.50 | wols_ | !ssmtp |
| 10:45.50 | dpkg | somebody said ssmtp was an extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a mailhub |
| 10:46.30 | axos88 | I think this is what interests me: 1969 Attansic Technology Corp. -->1048 L1 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter |
| 10:46.37 | streuner | axos88: what does '/cat /proc/version' say? |
| 10:46.43 | unlink | ah |
| 10:47.07 | wols_ | axos88: use the via rhine driver |
| 10:47.10 | unlink | out of curiosity, is there no way to get exim to behave that way? |
| 10:47.11 | axos88 | streuner: Linux version 2.6.18-4-amd64 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12) etc |
| 10:48.00 | axos88 | wols_: ok... how do I do that? modprobe via_rhine or something like that? |
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| 10:49.24 | wols_ | hmmm... the driver is atl1 it seems. |
| 10:49.31 | wols_ | and 2.6.18 doesn't seem to have it :( |
| 10:49.42 | Noborusan | i just used ntpdate to adjust time,what will happen after a reboot ? |
| 10:49.48 | Noborusan | i mean,do i need to run ntpdate again ? |
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| 10:50.03 | wols_ | axos88: the driver is aclled "atl1". etch at least has no driver fr it in its kernel. not even my 2.6.20 does |
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| 10:50.16 | wols_ | mongo31: hwclock --systohc |
| 10:50.19 | axos88 | wols_: uh... fantastic |
| 10:50.26 | wols_ | Noborusan: hwclock --systohc |
| 10:50.31 | axos88 | what about lenny? |
| 10:50.41 | wols_ | axos88: check a 2.6.21.5 or later kernel. they should have it |
| 10:51.16 | Noborusan | wols_: it says select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 10:51.17 | wols_ | unlink: there is. and you still should have a local MDA |
| 10:51.28 | Noborusan | i ran 'hwclock -w' same |
| 10:51.31 | streuner | knusper:/boot# grep -i atl1 config-2.6.21-2-k7 |
| 10:51.31 | streuner | CONFIG_ATL1=m |
| 10:51.36 | wols_ | Noborusan: it should work after a reboot just fine |
| 10:51.36 | axos88 | wols_: So if I update the kernel, it should work? |
| 10:51.45 | wols_ | axos88: yes |
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| 10:51.51 | Noborusan | wols_, Thanks |
| 10:51.54 | wols_ | axos88: if you modprobe atl1 |
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| 10:52.12 | wols_ | axos88: see what streuner pasted |
| 10:52.51 | axos88 | nothing |
| 10:52.52 | axos88 | ... |
| 10:52.53 | axos88 | :| |
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| 10:53.17 | wols_ | nothing what? |
| 10:53.40 | tuxub | can anyone point me some guide on how to install a PKS server on debian? |
| 10:53.56 | streuner | wols_: modinfo atl1 gives no result... |
| 10:54.04 | axos88 | wols_: So let's presume I want to do a clean install from scratch... again... with the driver loaded so the installer can take care of setting up a basic system... Is there any way I could do that? |
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| 10:54.13 | streuner | wols_: sorry, iam actually in 2.6. 18 kernel... |
| 10:54.27 | wols_ | axos88: if you find a installer with 2.6.21 kernel |
| 10:54.33 | axos88 | :| |
| 10:54.39 | wols_ | !kmuto |
| 10:54.39 | dpkg | For sarge with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 10:54.57 | axos88 | what about etch? |
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| 10:55.15 | wols_ | don't know of any kernels for etch > 2.6.18 on the installer |
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| 10:55.48 | streuner | .20 seems to support that module either, only .21 |
| 10:55.49 | wols_ | but there are backport kernels for etch |
| 10:55.55 | streuner | doesnt |
| 10:56.07 | streuner | so you need a 2.6.21 kernel |
| 10:56.16 | streuner | or 2.6.22 :-) |
| 10:56.35 | axos88 | streuner: ok... :( |
| 10:57.05 | wols_ | axos88: do you have a thubmdive/usb flash drive? |
| 10:57.21 | axos88 | yes |
| 10:57.29 | axos88 | that's how I've been doing all the file transfers |
| 10:57.57 | wols_ | the go to backports.org and download a 2.6.21 kernel for etch. install your etch netinst and after installation use dpkg -i to install that new kernel |
| 10:58.00 | axos88 | but I'd like to do a clean reinstall if possible, so the installer would fetch the standard package pack |
| 10:58.02 | wols_ | and you have network support |
| 10:58.23 | wols_ | you can run tasksel anytime you want |
| 10:58.29 | axos88 | If I take the etch installer, and copy the kernel over the one that is there, wouldn't that work? |
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| 10:58.49 | wols_ | if you know what you are doing: it will. but I won't help you there |
| 10:58.55 | axos88 | :)) |
| 10:58.56 | axos88 | ok |
| 10:58.57 | axos88 | .. |
| 10:58.58 | axos88 | :| |
| 10:59.05 | wols_ | what I suggested is a "clean reinstall" whateevr that means.... |
| 10:59.08 | Noborusan | hi wols_ ,my server is now put on the data-center,i run rcconf remotely via ssh,it says those are checkmarkded : acpid cron klogd makedev openbsd-inetd ssh sysklogd, can you tell me what i dont need ? |
| 10:59.24 | Noborusan | i probably will need cron,so keep that one,hmm |
| 10:59.24 | wols_ | Noborusan: no |
| 10:59.36 | Noborusan | huh ? |
| 10:59.49 | wols_ | what's so hward to understand of a simple little word? |
| 10:59.54 | axos88 | wols_: streuner: Thanks for your help guys... lemme try this replace-the-kernel... |
| 11:00.16 | wols_ | !tell axos88 about custom cd |
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| 11:01.20 | axos88 | wols_: thx :) |
| 11:01.21 | wols_ | axos88: trust me, I gave you the most simple solution for your problem. but you can always try your rpefered way |
| 11:01.37 | axos88 | yeah, I aggree that it's simpler :P |
| 11:02.17 | axos88 | but we have a saying here... "The real scientist chooses the most complicated solutions of all" :P |
| 11:02.26 | semprix | ;) |
| 11:02.29 | semprix | 0_o |
| 11:02.53 | wols_ | axos88: you're place' science must suck then |
| 11:02.58 | wols_ | simplcity is elegance in science |
| 11:03.22 | axos88 | :)) |
| 11:03.25 | Noborusan | acpid cron klogd makedev openbsd-inetd ssh sysklogd,which i dont need ? |
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| 11:03.50 | axos88 | well it's not actually like this, but it's kinda hard to translate :p |
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| 11:05.03 | moshii | Noborusan: In what way "don't need"? |
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| 11:05.54 | Noborusan | moshii, hmm |
| 11:06.40 | Noborusan | I'm not sure |
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| 11:07.55 | moshii | Noborusan: you could get rid of acpid and ssh if you aren't using them I suppose, but seems a bit pointless |
| 11:08.45 | Noborusan | moshii, I do need ssh,that is how i can talk to the server,other than this,im not sure,but only the'cron' will be used in the future |
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| 11:09.21 | axos88 | what kernel version does the testing installer use? |
| 11:09.42 | abrotman | probably 2.6.18 |
| 11:09.47 | moshii | Noborusan: syslog, klog and inetd are needed too, you might not directly use them but they are part of the system as a whole |
| 11:09.55 | axos88 | :| ok |
| 11:10.12 | streuner | axos88: can you unterstand french? :-) |
| 11:10.12 | abrotman | axos88: that's a problem ? |
| 11:10.36 | moshii | Noborusan: if you're looking to free space or something, try removing libraries you aren't using before removing core parts of the os :P |
| 11:10.41 | axos88 | streuner: a little bit |
| 11:10.52 | abrotman | streuner: understand ? :) |
| 11:10.58 | axos88 | streuner: I understand french, ut I can't speak the language |
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| 11:11.08 | streuner | axos88: http://www.linuxpourlesnuls.org/v4/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=5901 |
| 11:11.09 | axos88 | abrotman: yeah, i need 2.6.21 for my NIC |
| 11:11.37 | axos88 | streuner: Or... maybe google translator :) |
| 11:11.46 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 11:11.46 | dpkg | For sarge with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 11:12.03 | abrotman | kmuto only has up to 2.6.20.1 |
| 11:12.21 | axos88 | nop. I need 21 |
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| 11:12.47 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 11:12.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 11:13.10 | streuner | abrotman: he didnt even know what lspci is... |
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| 11:13.37 | Noborusan | moshii, thanks,so those are core files,i see. |
| 11:15.04 | moshii | Noborusan: removing inetd would stop a lot of network services from working etc.. so best to leave alone |
| 11:15.21 | Noborusan | I see.i will leave it alone then. |
| 11:15.37 | abrotman | streuner: and i still can't figure out why you like hasselhoff :) |
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| 11:16.08 | streuner | abrotman: :-) |
| 11:16.12 | wols_ | and why US labels gave him a mike |
| 11:16.21 | abrotman | wols_: gave? .. he still has one |
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| 11:16.34 | abrotman | he records on a german label AFAIK |
| 11:16.56 | wols_ | there is no german label I thought. there was BMG but they fused with Sony |
| 11:16.58 | axos88 | streuner: It's not that I'm a complete moron, only that I'm new to linux :P |
| 11:17.09 | beni | Hey i want to install debian and on the ftp servers there are about 20 CDs, do i need *all* of them for a normal server installation? The box has no internet |
| 11:17.19 | streuner | axos88: thats what iam saying ;-) |
| 11:17.26 | abrotman | wols_: so a german and japanese label ? :) |
| 11:17.28 | axos88 | ok:P |
| 11:17.35 | cast | beni: hell no. |
| 11:17.59 | wols_ | abrotman: i thought BMG music was pretty much US based. but frankly, I don't care |
| 11:18.26 | abrotman | mildly OT: Has anyone seen an extension for TB/IW that lets you use notes? .. not for a message(which is what i'm finding), just general notes/post-its |
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| 11:18.57 | beni | cast: so? |
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| 11:19.25 | abrotman | wols_: eh .. apparently BMG got bought by vivendi? a french company? |
| 11:19.42 | abrotman | wols_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertelsmann |
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| 11:20.10 | wols_ | it's "SonyBMG" (the ones with the rootkit) |
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| 11:20.25 | pingouin | how fonts works with Etch+Xorg ? |
| 11:20.27 | pingouin | where are they ? how can i add new fonts and be able to use them in Openoffice or other software , like scribus etc... ? |
| 11:20.49 | wols_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMG |
| 11:21.11 | Noborusan | to install iptables,i just run apt-get install iptables ? |
| 11:21.12 | abrotman | wols_: right .. look on the right .. Parent Company: Bertelsmann AG |
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| 11:22.04 | valdyn | pingouin: copy them to ~/.fonts/ |
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| 11:22.43 | wols_ | abrotman: I know. and? |
| 11:23.10 | axos88 | streuner: ok, I gave up... I fetch and dpkg-i the kernel-image-2.6.21-amd64 right? |
| 11:23.11 | abrotman | that's german ? |
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| 11:23.53 | streuner | axos88: see what 'wols_' told you :-) |
| 11:23.56 | pbn | Hello, how can I install Debian 4.0 on a machine that cannot boot off the cdrom drive ? |
| 11:23.58 | valdyn | abrotman: yes |
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| 11:24.21 | wols_ | pbn: yes |
| 11:24.25 | wols_ | !tell pbn about i-g |
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| 11:24.50 | wols_ | abrotman: yes. "and the 50% share of the joint venture with Sony Music, Sony BMG Music Entertainment (Sony BMG)." |
| 11:25.10 | bronze | So I installed the debian base system, but for some reason I can't connect to the internet. Do anyone know how to configure the network settings? |
| 11:25.25 | wols_ | !tell bronze about anyone |
| 11:25.42 | wols_ | bronze: meta questions are bad, mmkay? |
| 11:25.52 | bronze | I've gotten that one a lot :/ |
| 11:26.05 | abrotman | wols_: so not US :) |
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| 11:26.18 | pingouin | valdyn: and then ? X gonna read them automatically ? i have to add something to my ~∕.xinitrc ? |
| 11:26.38 | valdyn | pingouin: X knows nothing about fonts |
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| 11:26.45 | wols_ | abrotman: so sony universal is not a US company? |
| 11:26.57 | wols_ | or Random House? |
| 11:27.24 | valdyn | pingouin: gtk reads them or qt reads them, or whatever ( modern ) gui toolkit reads them |
| 11:27.56 | bronze | So I installed the debian base system, but for some reason I can't connect to the internet. How do I configure the network settings? |
| 11:28.17 | axos88 | streuner: ok, I downloaded the kernel-image-2.6.21-1-amd64-di.udeb, and installed it, but it still booted to the 2.6.18 kernel, and there was no other grub option to boot to 2.6.21 |
| 11:28.37 | streuner | !udeb |
| 11:28.37 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
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| 11:28.57 | streuner | that is NOT what you want |
| 11:29.37 | abrotman | wols_: Random house isn't a recording company .. and sony is not a US company |
| 11:30.04 | abrotman | wols_: now make this XPI work :) |
| 11:30.17 | valdyn | 1sony |
| 11:30.21 | valdyn | !sony |
| 11:30.21 | dpkg | [sony] a very screwed up company, or someday you will drive your sony to the sony to pick up some more sony |
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| 11:31.29 | axos88 | oh |
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| 11:31.33 | wols_ | abrotman: random house ia a US publisher wholly owned by Bertelsmann |
| 11:31.42 | abrotman | wols_: that makes books |
| 11:31.52 | wols_ | and I did not say "Sony" but "Sony Universal" that film and music business thing sony bought |
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| 11:32.04 | wols_ | abrotman: still a US company owned by a german parent |
| 11:32.31 | abrotman | right ... |
| 11:32.46 | abrotman | and they sitll don't record hasselhoff |
| 11:33.06 | abrotman | wols_: but this isn't helping you fix the XPI ... |
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| 11:34.19 | beni | can anyone help me with installing debian on a server? Do i need all friggin' 20 CD's? |
| 11:34.37 | valdyn | beni: only the first, or only netinstall |
| 11:34.51 | cast | beni: no. people should generally just use the netinst |
| 11:34.54 | streuner | axos88: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/linux-image-2.6.21-2-amd64 |
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| 11:35.14 | valdyn | beni: netinst on computers where the nic is supported by it |
| 11:35.15 | streuner | axos88: why do you think you need AMD64, anyway? |
| 11:35.42 | axos88 | well i dunno... if it supports amd64, why not |
| 11:35.43 | beni | netinst = setup downloads the files it needs? |
| 11:35.46 | valdyn | axos88: why the hell are you installing a udeb manually? |
| 11:35.54 | wols_ | abrotman: http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&searchlink=DAVID|HASSELHOFF&sql=11:wxfixqqgldfe~T2 labels all over the place. ariola is german. the others, I doubt it |
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| 11:35.59 | axos88 | is the driver on i386 already supported? |
| 11:36.18 | streuner | axos88: what kind of CPU do you have? |
| 11:36.21 | cast | beni: netinst == installs a base system |
| 11:36.29 | axos88 | Intel Core 2 Duo |
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| 11:36.34 | abrotman | wols_: i've never heard of them .. they must be polish! |
| 11:36.38 | beni | cast: and the "net" part of the word? |
| 11:36.44 | cast | beni: it can, yes, download more than the base system off the net |
| 11:36.50 | wols_ | axos88: if this debian is for a desktop like install, you don't want AMD64 unless you are very proficient with debian or linux in general |
| 11:37.06 | beni | cast: okay thank you bro |
| 11:37.07 | cast | beni: the net part is there because a base install by itself isn't all that useful. you grab the rest off the net |
| 11:37.08 | axos88 | wols_: oh... |
| 11:37.09 | valdyn | ariola belongs to bmg anyway |
| 11:37.16 | wols_ | beni: it installs the rest what you want via the network. as a bonus it's only 150MB |
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| 11:37.38 | user101 | hey.. guyz... what's the name of the debian kernel sources? |
| 11:37.44 | user101 | linux-image or something? |
| 11:37.50 | cast | !tell user101 about search |
| 11:38.04 | beni | wols_: sounds good, i'll checki it out.. last question does debian work on old boxes? Something like Pentium 200mhz 64MB 8GB |
| 11:38.13 | beni | it should, shouldn't it? :P |
| 11:38.30 | valdyn | beni: as long as you have sufficient ram, 64mb is fine |
| 11:38.31 | abrotman | beni: yes |
| 11:38.37 | wols_ | beni: yes. 32-64MB is the minimum RAM needed tho. and: not working on i386. only i486 and up |
| 11:39.32 | abrotman | i thought it was 24MB |
| 11:39.41 | beni | wols_: and i430vx ? |
| 11:39.46 | beni | h3h3 |
| 11:40.01 | axos88 | root |
| 11:40.04 | beni | wait... i'll just try it |
| 11:40.08 | axos88 | oh... wrong keyboard :)) |
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| 11:40.54 | cast | 'The actual minimum memory requirements are a lot less then the numbers listed in this table. Depending on the architecture, it is possible to install Debian with as little as 20MB (for s390) to 48MB (for i386 and amd64). ' |
| 11:41.11 | cast | oh, 48MB seems like alot |
| 11:41.24 | cast | i presume thats because the installer is memory hungry |
| 11:41.39 | wols_ | "For intel-like systems, you need at least an 486 processor and 32 MB of RAM " |
| 11:42.03 | axos88 | streuner: ok, i'm in the 2.6.21 module, did the modprobe atl1, but lspci still doesn't diplay only that unknown device that we identified as the Atlantic NIC |
| 11:42.18 | wols_ | axos88: ifconfig -a |
| 11:42.21 | beni | axos88: lawl :) |
| 11:42.24 | cast | ahh, what i pasted came from http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 11:42.27 | wols_ | do you have a eth0 now? |
| 11:42.56 | axos88 | yeah, but that's the firewire port... I have an eth1 though :) |
| 11:43.12 | wols_ | axos88: so you have a network. the lspci output is irrelevant |
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| 11:43.53 | axos88 | ok |
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| 11:44.16 | aleph0 | hello everyone. |
| 11:44.24 | ricky | Hi! |
| 11:44.38 | aleph0 | I'm having a really strange problem starting jabberd |
| 11:44.59 | aleph0 | my init.d script contains the line |
| 11:45.03 | aleph0 | su - jabber -c "/usr/local/bin/c2s -c /usr/local/etc/jabberd/c2s.xml & 2> /dev/null" |
| 11:45.09 | aleph0 | and I get the response: |
| 11:45.15 | aleph0 | -su: line 1: /usr/local/bin/c2s: No such file or directory |
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| 11:45.35 | aleph0 | now the problem is, all files exist and have proper permissions! |
| 11:45.45 | aleph0 | so whence this error message? |
| 11:45.57 | ricky | Well, looking at the paths, you seemed to have installed it from source, right? |
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| 11:46.04 | aleph0 | yes |
| 11:46.29 | ricky | If that's the case, you might have a bit more luck with the specific jabberd channel. |
| 11:46.55 | aleph0 | okay. |
| 11:47.08 | ricky | Unless anybody here notices something offhand (I don't see anything obviously wrong) |
| 11:47.22 | beni | the - after su? |
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| 11:47.27 | Arafangion | ricky: More luck in jabber/jdev @jabber.org |
| 11:47.34 | ricky | aHA. |
| 11:47.38 | aleph0 | well take a look at this: |
| 11:48.11 | ricky | beni-: It doesn't seem particularly necessary, but it probably wouldn't give that error. |
| 11:48.22 | aleph0 | first: "su - jabber". then "ls -l /usr/local/bin/router" gives me "-rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 1025464 Jan 18 2006 /usr/local/bin/router" |
| 11:48.26 | wols_ | aleph0: /msg dpkg info jabber |
| 11:48.35 | aleph0 | now "/usr/local/bin/router" gives me: |
| 11:48.42 | aleph0 | -su: /usr/local/bin/router: No such file or directory |
| 11:48.47 | aleph0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:49.00 | wols_ | aleph0: that is what we support |
| 11:50.12 | aleph0 | .. I just thought you might have an idea how a file that obviously exists could give a " No such file or directory" error... |
| 11:50.21 | ricky | aleph0: Consider using the Debian package- that might avoid these kinds of error with a nice initscript. |
| 11:51.27 | solid_liq | hey, check this out: http://freshmeat.net/projects/konsoledcopscheme/ |
| 11:52.25 | aleph0 | ok. I'll go check somewhere else... just one more thing: dous anyone know what the "-su" is in the line " -su: /usr/local/bin/router: No such file or directory"? |
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| 11:53.18 | ricky | aleph0: Perhaps a weird shell? |
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| 11:53.38 | bloo_sky | can I put comments in /etc/passwd ? |
| 11:54.05 | cast | what the current best debian book to get? the debian system? |
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| 11:54.08 | ricky | bloo_sky: There's a comment field for that, I believe. |
| 11:54.57 | ricky | cast: There's some pretty comprehensive documentation at http://www.us.debian.org/doc/, so I generally don't even need books :) |
| 11:55.14 | ricky | (Although I don't know about how up-to-date everything is) |
| 11:56.41 | bloo_sky | ricky: Yeah, OK, I think I found it. |
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| 11:58.53 | axos88 | hurray, I have network :D |
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| 12:00.22 | axos88 | wols_: now... is there a way to continue the debian installer so it would install standard packages, gnome, etc and configure them nicely? Or do I have to do it manually? |
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| 12:00.57 | streuner | !congratulate axos88 |
| 12:00.57 | dpkg | Woohoo axos88, you did it! |
| 12:01.06 | jatt | cast: rutebook is quite good (I know isn't debian-specific) |
| 12:01.07 | axos88 | :)) |
| 12:01.21 | wols_ | axos88: have you used debian before? |
| 12:01.21 | rodrigo_ | someone knows a better server in Brazil after Brasnet? |
| 12:01.31 | axos88 | yeah, i'm running it just now |
| 12:01.36 | streuner | !br |
| 12:01.37 | axos88 | on this desktop PC |
| 12:01.37 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 12:01.57 | wols_ | axos88: it doesn't matter if and when you isntall stuff. it's configured always the same. no "special" stuff |
| 12:02.08 | wols_ | !tell axos88 about install gnome |
| 12:03.23 | axos88 | ok... I know these, but I was hoping I could set up the whole package pack (hmm that sounds awkward) by a single command |
| 12:03.50 | streuner | !tasksel |
| 12:03.50 | dpkg | [tasksel] the simple method of installation. simply run 'tasksel'. If it doesn't work, try updating Available packages by running 'dselect' and doing an Update, then quitting and trying tasksel again. If you don't want to use dselect, you can also 'apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available', to update the tasksel menu. Or forget all of that and just run "dselect update && tasksel", be happy, smile. |
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| 12:04.14 | romano2k | !aptitude |
| 12:04.15 | dpkg | from memory, aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 12:04.17 | Llama | hi all |
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| 12:04.30 | Llama | How could I get domxml extension in php5 in ethc ? |
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| 12:04.51 | axos88 | ok thx for tasksel |
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| 12:05.57 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone here have a good knowledge of using tcpdump ? |
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| 12:06.18 | axos88 | hmm.. it seems nslookup has not been installed? is this normal? |
| 12:06.27 | streuner | yes |
| 12:06.29 | Led_Zeppelin | I am trying to debug NFS issues, and need a good way to capture the NFS packets using tcpdump. I am currently using 'tcpdump -vv -w file' |
| 12:06.35 | user101 | hey guys... where do i get the desktop effects? i mean i can't find them in the repository and i don't really know the name of the package |
| 12:06.37 | semprix | ok whats the difference between aptitude and apt i already msged dpkg |
| 12:06.41 | semprix | but i dont seem to get it |
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| 12:06.53 | axos88 | ping yahoo.com --> unknown host, ping <<yahoo's IP>> works |
| 12:06.59 | semprix | any downside and advantages between this two? |
| 12:07.15 | semprix | axos88, its your resolv.confg |
| 12:07.25 | streuner | axos88: DNS doesnt work... |
| 12:07.26 | axos88 | oh |
| 12:07.31 | axos88 | yeah, I noticed that |
| 12:07.45 | valdyn | semprix: the dependency resolution algorithms are different |
| 12:08.19 | semprix | valdyn, which is better? |
| 12:08.25 | axos88 | ok works now |
| 12:08.42 | semprix | axos88, nice |
| 12:08.57 | valdyn | semprix: aptitude is recommended |
| 12:09.15 | axos88 | does aptitude use the same source file? |
| 12:09.18 | axos88 | sources.lst? |
| 12:09.22 | cast | yes |
| 12:09.41 | axos88 | ok... lemme rewrite that |
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| 12:10.03 | valdyn | semprix: there's more differences, but the difference in dependency resolution is why aptitude is recommended |
| 12:10.15 | valdyn | semprix: aptitude also has a curses ui and various other things |
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| 12:10.28 | valdyn | axos88: yes |
| 12:10.47 | axos88 | erm... shit... no editor but the vi.. I can't use that monster... :( oh well... cat > sources.lst << EOF |
| 12:11.26 | ricky | axos88: I know- vim is so much better :D |
| 12:11.38 | cast | i think the vi axos88 talks of is the vim |
| 12:11.47 | axos88 | hmm i have vim too |
| 12:11.51 | cast | learn to love the vim. for it is great. |
| 12:12.09 | shwouchk | heh |
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| 12:12.30 | semprix | ok thanks for the explanation guys im printing some stuffs now to read more about the package managers :) |
| 12:12.34 | semprix | thank you |
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| 12:13.04 | cast | does anyone else get \fBinstall\fR when they go man aptitude? |
| 12:13.21 | cast | i don't know how to fix that |
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| 12:15.28 | aleph0 | how can this happen: http://rafb.net/p/mrYeJt73.html |
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| 12:17.14 | cast | aleph0: hmm, sometimes bash's help messages can be confusing |
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| 12:17.19 | rohan | i have a usb adsl router - this is the lsusb -v output - http://rafb.net/p/0ocueH71.html .. it is attached to computer using usb, but it is not detected as a network device. how can i make sure that it works as a network device and i can connect to the net using it ? it provides no drivers for linux |
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| 12:17.30 | cast | s/help/error |
| 12:18.38 | zicho | I tried to start Open Arena, but i forgot that i didnt have OpenGL installed, so it crashed and now my mouse has frozen, how can i make it "unfreeze"? |
| 12:19.05 | rohan | zicho: disconnect and reconnect it ? |
| 12:19.18 | zicho | rohan: tried it |
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| 12:19.42 | cast | aleph0: out of curiousity what does /lib/ld-2.3.6.so /usr/local/bin/s2s do? |
| 12:19.45 | rohan | zicho: well .. i know you'll hate this .. but reboot ;) |
| 12:19.55 | zicho | hmm |
| 12:20.00 | zicho | not yet |
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| 12:20.56 | aleph0 | /lib/ld-2.3.2.so /usr/local/bin/s2s |
| 12:20.56 | aleph0 | /usr/local/bin/s2s: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/local/bin/s2s: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 12:21.38 | aleph0 | hm.. the wierd thing is that it worked before. I just killed a running s2s and then couldn't start it again. |
| 12:21.49 | cast | aleph0: hmm, i remember now. i had that problem when i tried to run a 32bit binary on a 64bit system, same error message |
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| 12:22.38 | cast | aleph0: ahh. i mean. i had the same error message, different problem it seems :) |
| 12:23.10 | aleph0 | all right. I'll keep digging. |
| 12:23.14 | aleph0 | read you all later. |
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| 12:23.59 | cast | least the error message now is a bit less confusing |
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| 12:25.03 | wolfalfa | hello, GPG error while apt-get update etch. any help? |
| 12:25.17 | cast | use aptitude, and its not an error its a warning |
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| 12:25.57 | wolfalfa | cast: W: GPG error:The following signatures were invalid |
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| 12:26.23 | wolfalfa | and it fails to fetch / download anything |
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| 12:26.40 | cast | the W: denotes warning...but weird, i was expecting you to have a missing key not an invalid sig |
| 12:26.49 | cast | if you try a different mirror does it still occur? |
| 12:26.52 | wishkah | are the default debian kernels from the apt-tree patched with debian-specific patches or are they vanilla? |
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| 12:27.16 | wishkah | i.e. if I build my own kernel (openvz) for a debian system, should I apply some debian patches as well? |
| 12:28.14 | Arafangion | wishkah: I think they're vanilla. |
| 12:28.34 | wishkah | great, thanks |
| 12:29.13 | cast | then what is linux-patch-debian-2.6.18? |
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| 12:29.42 | cast | hm, not that i'm disagreeing. i just don't know what it is :\ |
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| 12:30.26 | wolfalfa | trying different mirrors |
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| 12:30.57 | wolfalfa | cast: same |
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| 12:32.23 | thermodynamics44 | Hello, i wanna put debian, but i see a huge iso of 3 dvd's 4.4 gigas, is way too much, help please!! |
| 12:32.36 | Noborusan | does anyone know what is the SSH host key fingerprint ? |
| 12:33.15 | axos88 | i've just done an "aptitude install gnome openoffice.org perl emacs eclipse" any other ideas? |
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| 12:34.07 | abrotman | !d-i thermodynamics44 |
| 12:34.07 | dpkg | thermodynamics44, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 12:34.16 | user101 | how do u install the nvidia drivers? i keep trying to install them and it says i haven't got gcc... and i've got gcc... :( |
| 12:34.29 | ricky | Noborusan: You can use it to confirm the identity of the server. |
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| 12:35.11 | Noborusan | ricky, so this key is very important and if its open to public will become a serious security risk ? |
| 12:35.25 | cast | wolfalfa: paste the entire output of the aptitude update command to rafb.net, might give someone an idea |
| 12:35.39 | cast | wolfalfa: the Release file is signed, maybe that sig is failing |
| 12:35.40 | ricky | Noborusan: No, anybody can see the fingerprint. |
| 12:35.53 | Noborusan | ricky, Oh ,then no worries |
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| 12:36.53 | thermodynamics44 | <dpkg> My hardware i think it's fine is a 2processor opteron 2g. Ram and Nvidia Quadro3450, thanks for the links, |
| 12:37.04 | cast | !tell user101 about nvidia |
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| 12:37.10 | xand | thermodynamics44: it's a bot |
| 12:37.22 | thermodynamics44 | hahahaha |
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| 12:37.34 | thermodynamics44 | xand |
| 12:37.50 | thermodynamics44 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:38.07 | azeem | !netinst |
| 12:38.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 12:38.35 | axos88 | !dialup install |
| 12:38.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, dialup install is 64kbps are 650MB per day, or ~1.2GB installed size, maybe more than you will ever have installed at once. You will wait few hours for the install to complete, but shuffling those 5290280948 CDs testing has now will probably take even longer, and can't be run unattended. The 1st binary CD is more than you need. See netinst. |
| 12:38.59 | subx | i have a AMD Barton 3000+ in this box and ive installed the 2.6.18-4-k7 kernel image for it. was this the correct image for the chip? |
| 12:39.09 | abrotman | well .. that's a bit useless :) |
| 12:39.10 | cast | subx: yes. |
| 12:39.14 | subx | :D |
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| 12:39.45 | Noborusan | hi abrotman, apt-get install iptables,this simple ? |
| 12:39.57 | abrotman | Noborusan: to do what? |
| 12:40.02 | Noborusan | Im using the default kernel comes from etch install |
| 12:40.15 | Noborusan | to install iptables support before i setup rules later |
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| 12:40.40 | abrotman | uh .. yeah .. that's fine |
| 12:41.02 | wireddd | Noborusan: do you know how to setup iptables rules? |
| 12:41.03 | wolfalfa | cast: http://rafb.net/p/044xvk17.html |
| 12:41.05 | wolfalfa | thanks |
| 12:41.22 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 12:41.22 | dpkg | iptables is, like, the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 12:41.29 | Noborusan | okay,after i install iptables, by default i hope it allows all communications ? |
| 12:41.50 | Noborusan | wireddd, add rules and blah. |
| 12:42.29 | cast | wolfalfa: hmmm, its not gpg thats bungho...its way before that at line 6 |
| 12:43.10 | thermodynamics44 | i need a link with information of how and why Debian it's better, please... |
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| 12:43.34 | wishkah | thermodynamics44: http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian |
| 12:43.39 | thermodynamics44 | i wanna download the 3 dvd's of 64bits |
| 12:43.43 | thermodynamics44 | thanks |
| 12:43.50 | wolfalfa | cast: it's what ?! |
| 12:44.08 | cast | wolfalfa: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6198.html |
| 12:44.24 | cast | wolfalfa: seems similar problem |
| 12:44.57 | Noborusan | thermodynamics44, The best Linux distro i have found |
| 12:45.09 | abrotman | thermodynamics44: just use the netinst .. |
| 12:45.26 | Noborusan | thermodynamics44, it has a wonderful package manage system, i love it and i hope you will love it too after you try it. |
| 12:45.48 | semprix | debian is 1337 |
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| 12:46.23 | Noborusan | wireddd, there ? |
| 12:46.28 | keith4 | can someone recommend an xml viewer that doesn't suck like epiphany? |
| 12:46.33 | wireddd | Noborusan: yes |
| 12:47.17 | abrotman | keith4: epiphany is a browser |
| 12:47.23 | keith4 | yah, but it renders xml |
| 12:47.24 | abrotman | keith4: and it uses the gecko engine |
| 12:47.26 | Noborusan | wireddd, sorry to disturb,but would you take a view at my paste of a very simple iptables rule to only allow ssh after a drop all ? |
| 12:47.38 | wireddd | sure |
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| 12:47.44 | abrotman | keith4: so if you want something else .. you'll have to find a browser that doesn't use the gecko engine |
| 12:47.49 | keith4 | damn |
| 12:47.53 | Noborusan | wireddd, Thanks,let me do it.give me 5 minutes ok |
| 12:48.01 | wireddd | ok |
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| 12:48.05 | abrotman | keith4: have you considered it's your XML ? |
| 12:48.15 | keith4 | hopefully not, it's not my xml |
| 12:48.37 | keith4 | i just tried to open a large xml file, and epiphany got up to 1.7 gigs of ram, still "loading" |
| 12:48.47 | abrotman | how big is the XML file ? |
| 12:48.50 | Arafangion | keith4: There's always vim ;) |
| 12:49.04 | keith4 | 24 megs |
| 12:49.05 | keith4 | yikes |
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| 12:49.14 | abrotman | that's a fairly large XML file :) |
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| 12:49.21 | keith4 | indeed |
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| 12:49.33 | abrotman | is it supposed to be a small document ? |
| 12:49.39 | keith4 | nope |
| 12:49.47 | keith4 | it's supposed to describe a rather large music library |
| 12:49.51 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 12:50.00 | keith4 | gedit just opened it no problem |
| 12:50.04 | Arafangion | keith4: Is the entire file on two lines? |
| 12:50.05 | abrotman | well .. there's opera(not in debian) and konqueror .. which is khtml |
| 12:50.33 | keith4 | Arafangion: nope, 506658 |
| 12:50.46 | azeem | keith4: why do you think epiphany is an appropriate viewer for a 24MB music library? |
| 12:51.02 | abrotman | better than notepad ? :) |
| 12:51.03 | keith4 | i don't, necessarily. but i made the mistake of just double-clicking it |
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| 12:51.22 | abrotman | darn kids .. always abusing XML |
| 12:51.49 | Arafangion | azeem: If it came with an appropriate stylesheet, then it could be convenient. |
| 12:51.56 | keith4 | it just seems strange that gedit opens it instantly, and uses about 80 megs of ram |
| 12:52.08 | Arafangion | abrotman: Indeed. I actually find other formats more flexible. |
| 12:52.21 | keith4 | but epiphany took 1.7 gigs, and still hadn't finished loading it after 5 minutes |
| 12:52.22 | abrotman | keith4: because it's not trying to render it |
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| 12:52.50 | abrotman | keith4: you think maybe CSV would be easier ? |
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| 12:53.13 | jatt | does support SOAP with attachments? |
| 12:53.26 | Arafangion | jatt: That question makes no sense. |
| 12:53.28 | thermodynamics44 | Ok so well, i need to install Maya 3D package, but is on RPM package, can i steel manage to install this package? |
| 12:53.30 | keith4 | abrotman: problably, but i'm not in a position to dictate the format |
| 12:53.50 | keith4 | thermodynamics44: look at the 'alien' package |
| 12:53.54 | abrotman | keith4: so explain the problem |
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| 12:54.03 | jatt | why not |
| 12:54.05 | cast | thermodynamics44: expect rpms converted to debs to assplode and not work |
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| 12:54.18 | abrotman | some of them work quite well |
| 12:54.31 | keith4 | abrotman: there's no problem. some idiot sent me a 24 meg xml file, and i double clicked it without thinking, and epiphany tried to render it but failed |
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| 12:54.41 | thermodynamics44 | i hope cause is my main program |
| 12:54.46 | jatt | http://www.w3.org/TR/SOAP-attachments |
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| 12:54.50 | abrotman | keith4: send him the core dump back :) |
| 12:54.56 | jatt | makes sense to me |
| 12:55.23 | keith4 | abrotman: i think it would have worked... *eventually*... but not in the time i'm willing to allow it |
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| 12:55.30 | jatt | in fact, I use it regularly |
| 12:55.53 | Noborusan | wireddd, hi,i'm done it, http://pastebin.ca/617682 |
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| 12:57.04 | wireddd | thats pretty locked down |
| 12:57.23 | Noborusan | wireddd, The most important is make sure ssh will work after i load this rule,or,i will have to call my ISP :( |
| 12:57.33 | Noborusan | locked down ? means ? |
| 12:57.59 | cast | i hope you're not typing them into an ssh session in that order |
| 12:58.33 | Noborusan | cast, the order has some problems ? |
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| 12:59.04 | cast | do you mean -m tcp? |
| 12:59.16 | numer_ | how can i see which files a debian package contains? |
| 12:59.23 | cast | its not needed is it |
| 12:59.24 | abrotman | numer_: apt-file or dpkg -L |
| 12:59.30 | numer_ | ok thank you |
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| 12:59.43 | wireddd | #iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT |
| 12:59.45 | Noborusan | cast, hmm |
| 12:59.52 | wireddd | that is what that line should say |
| 13:00.02 | Noborusan | let me check |
| 13:00.06 | jatt | dpkg -L |
| 13:00.20 | numer_ | dpkg -L doesn't work |
| 13:00.20 | dpkg | ii doesn't work 1.4-1 numer_'s private porn collection |
| 13:00.38 | jatt | numer_: hahaha |
| 13:00.49 | cast | Noborusan: its just if you type it into an ssh session in that order you'll look yourself out before you've finished |
| 13:00.53 | jatt | numer_: of course it works. It lists the contents of an installed package. |
| 13:01.09 | cast | Noborusan: *lock, sorry |
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| 13:01.37 | cmdln | good morning |
| 13:01.42 | bzed | wireddd: not the other way round? |
| 13:01.43 | ricky | Hi! |
| 13:01.44 | numer_ | ohh i was giving it the hole path |
| 13:01.54 | Noborusan | oh |
| 13:01.55 | bzed | wireddd: iptables .... -p tcp --dport 22 -m state .... |
| 13:02.12 | Noborusan | cast, so what wireddd said is the correct ? |
| 13:02.20 | wireddd | I don't think it matters what order the arguments are in |
| 13:02.24 | cmdln | I have sysstat installed and every half hour it detects a linux restart whish is not happening |
| 13:02.47 | cmdln | it looks like its in the cron as its so regular but I cant seem to find anything |
| 13:02.50 | cast | Noborusan: i don't think the -m tcp would do anything bad, it just didn't do anything AFAIK |
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| 13:03.03 | axos88_ | I've just installed xorg and gnome... how do I start the graphical interface? |
| 13:03.10 | Knight_Lord | How can i check which program is bound to a given port? |
| 13:03.11 | numer_ | can i also use dpkg to show me content of a deb package that is not installed but available as file |
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| 13:03.22 | wireddd | Noborusan: why don't you test it on your local machine? |
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| 13:03.28 | azeem | numer_: dpkg -c <.deb> |
| 13:03.34 | azeem | numer_: read the dpkg documentation |
| 13:03.34 | bzed | cast: nah, -m tcp is fine, it's just using the tcp module after the state module then, which is something you can avoid if you filter for the dport before using -m state |
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| 13:04.13 | cast | bzed: oh, so order does matter? |
| 13:04.15 | numer_ | imapd.conf does this file belong to cyrus? |
| 13:04.53 | Noborusan | wireddd, good idea,i will need to recall vmware installer anyways |
| 13:05.01 | bzed | cast: yes |
| 13:05.05 | axos88_ | Help! I just installed xorg and gnome, did a "startx", and my laptop screen just went black... black as in "turned off"... |
| 13:05.10 | cast | bzed: hmm, did not know that. :) |
| 13:05.17 | bzed | cast: at least as far as I know |
| 13:05.19 | cast | Noborusan: isn't line 11 redundant too? :) |
| 13:05.30 | jatt | axos88_: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace |
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| 13:05.48 | jatt | axos88_: and check the xorg logs after that |
| 13:05.49 | axos88_ | jatt: already tried that |
| 13:05.56 | Noborusan | hmm |
| 13:05.57 | numer_ | is anyone using postfix and dspam successfully |
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| 13:06.44 | cast | Noborusan: wait a second, do you have two nics? |
| 13:06.46 | bzed | Noborusan, cast: yeah, it is redundant. no need to drop some kind of packaet, if all not accepted packets are dropped afterwards |
| 13:07.06 | Noborusan | cast, no,just one. |
| 13:07.08 | cast | bzed: well its getting accepted at line 08 |
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| 13:07.28 | cast | infact everything is at line 08, isnt it? |
| 13:07.33 | axos88_ | uhoh... I just did a hard reset, but now when the system starts it automatically starts X, and screen goes black |
| 13:07.41 | jatt | axos88_: and? what did the logs say? |
| 13:07.57 | bzed | cast: not if it does not come in from an interface !lo, eth0 |
| 13:07.58 | axos88_ | jatt: nothing happens |
| 13:08.27 | cast | Noborusan: which ifce is connected to the net? eth0? |
| 13:08.46 | Noborusan | yeah |
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| 13:09.07 | Noborusan | i have 3,which is eth0, lo,and a strange one named 'sit0' |
| 13:09.33 | cast | Noborusan: then explain what line 08 does, |
| 13:09.35 | wireddd | axos, testing? |
| 13:09.49 | wireddd | axos88_ |
| 13:09.57 | axos88_ | no, etch |
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| 13:10.17 | Noborusan | cast, yeah ,its strange,i thought that line allows communications from/to eth0 ? |
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| 13:10.27 | axos88_ | wireddd: |
| 13:10.58 | axos88_ | huh_ |
| 13:11.10 | r3tex | if I want to install the exact same packages on my girlfriends laptop that I've installed on mine, is there some file that I can simply copy over? |
| 13:11.20 | cast | Noborusan: it allows all incoming packets on eth0 to get accepted |
| 13:11.36 | abrotman | !tell r3tex about debian clone |
| 13:11.38 | Noborusan | oh |
| 13:11.41 | cast | Noborusan: so in effect you have no firewall |
| 13:11.51 | wireddd | axos88: look at the xorg log |
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| 13:11.56 | r3tex | cast: thanks |
| 13:12.00 | Noborusan | i will get rid of that line, thanks cast |
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| 13:12.11 | metbsd | how do i list package i installed, and list the package name only , nothing else |
| 13:12.20 | axos88 | wireddd: and how could I do that? is there something like "safe-mode" with linux? |
| 13:12.50 | wireddd | well first try to hit ctr;+alt+f1 |
| 13:12.54 | mrsno__ | metbsd sudo dpkg -l | grep -i package |
| 13:12.55 | abrotman | metbsd: dpkg -l .. and some awk magic |
| 13:13.06 | abrotman | mrsno__: you don't need sudo for that |
| 13:13.07 | mrsno__ | l being lowercase L |
| 13:13.12 | cast | Noborusan: i think using shorewall or firehol might be a good idea :). some are of the opinion that you make more mistakes when you write iptables rules directly |
| 13:13.18 | mrsno__ | sorry abrotman , thought i was in #ubuntu :-) |
| 13:13.30 | abrotman | ubuntu needs sudo to run dpkg -l? what a pile of crap |
| 13:13.39 | cydork | metbsd: man dpkg-query |
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| 13:13.50 | axos88 | wireddd: already tried |
| 13:13.59 | mrsno__ | oh dpkg doesn't need root on debian |
| 13:13.59 | Noborusan | cast, they are compitibitable with debian ? |
| 13:14.00 | metbsd | man what? is there a simple option to do that? |
| 13:14.02 | mrsno__ | never knew that |
| 13:14.03 | wireddd | well you can boot into single user mode |
| 13:14.09 | mrsno__ | maybe ubuntu doesn't either then |
| 13:14.17 | abrotman | !installed |
| 13:14.17 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 13:14.33 | mrsno__ | learn something new everyday :) |
| 13:14.34 | azeem | mrsno__: you need root to install stuff, not to use query the dpkg database |
| 13:14.47 | cast | Noborusan: they are both in debian. i use shorewall on a deb desktop and server, its more complicated then firehol but more powerful too |
| 13:15.06 | stew | why ~i!~M and not just ~i ? |
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| 13:16.10 | abrotman | i didn't write it! |
| 13:16.12 | Noborusan | cast, cool |
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| 13:16.38 | abrotman | stew: don was the last one to change it .. ask him! |
| 13:17.01 | stew | well that would be a good list to feed back into aptitude if you were cloning |
| 13:17.17 | stew | hmm, maybe i should make a aptitude search cheat sheet |
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| 13:18.39 | cast | Noborusan: if you use shorewall, just copy over the 1 interface example :) |
| 13:18.58 | cast | Noborusan: add a rule to allow ssh, and it should all be good |
| 13:19.19 | Noborusan | cast, i think i would still use iptables,thanks anyway |
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| 13:21.33 | unlink | wols_: why? i want all my mail sent to a central location |
| 13:21.49 | cast | Noborusan: i think you should take http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/packet-filtering-HOWTO-5.html and just add a rule to let in ssh |
| 13:22.33 | Haris1 | Hello folks |
| 13:22.40 | Haris1 | Is CD1 enough to install 4.0? |
| 13:22.42 | kanpachi | hello |
| 13:22.52 | Haris1 | a basic install to start with and get the rest of the stuff from internet? |
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| 13:22.58 | Haris1 | like ports in fbsd |
| 13:23.02 | kanpachi | can anyone please help me to install lexmark z602 on etch? it won't work :( |
| 13:23.10 | cast | !tell Haris1 about netinst |
| 13:23.12 | kanpachi | it's installed but won't print |
| 13:23.24 | tarzeau | kanpachi: network printer? |
| 13:23.27 | kanpachi | nope |
| 13:23.28 | kanpachi | local |
| 13:23.33 | tarzeau | kanpachi: laser? |
| 13:23.38 | kanpachi | nope, ink |
| 13:23.46 | tarzeau | kanpachi: i'm glad i don't have to support it :) |
| 13:23.52 | kanpachi | support what? |
| 13:23.56 | Noborusan | cast, thanks |
| 13:24.07 | tarzeau | a network incapable non-laser printer |
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| 13:24.23 | kanpachi | well, i do need it to work :( |
| 13:24.27 | tarzeau | kanpachi: what happens if you print? from which software? |
| 13:24.35 | tarzeau | kanpachi: and if not? what can happen? |
| 13:24.44 | kanpachi | well i want it to work |
| 13:24.48 | tarzeau | kanpachi: why did you buy a printer without checking if it works with linux? |
| 13:24.56 | kanpachi | i tried printing from both epiphany and gedit |
| 13:25.03 | kanpachi | it used to work when i used ubuntu |
| 13:25.25 | kanpachi | and i didn't buy it now, it's been around for 1-2 years or so |
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| 13:25.54 | kanpachi | it accepts the jobs, but won't print |
| 13:26.15 | kanpachi | i have a linux driver for it, which is rpm and i converted it using alien |
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| 13:26.47 | Haris1 | cast: First about installing from cd1 |
| 13:26.47 | fiendskull9 | is it easy to setup an irc daemon on debian (any ircd, just a general question here)? |
| 13:27.06 | Haris1 | fiendskull9: Its easy to setup on any! distribution |
| 13:27.15 | cast | Haris1: cd1 will install a base debian system, yes, and quite alot more if you want |
| 13:27.19 | Haris1 | cast: Is it possible to have a basic install just from cd1? |
| 13:27.24 | Haris1 | an install from! cd1 |
| 13:27.40 | fiendskull9 | Haris1: well i had some bouts on my favorite distro arch |
| 13:27.46 | fiendskull9 | so im falling back to debian to try |
| 13:27.46 | kanpachi | if i have an nvidia geforce 4 mx, should i use the nvidia-glx package to install it? or the official nvidia drivers from nvidia.com? |
| 13:27.54 | fiendskull9 | kanpachi: official |
| 13:27.57 | Haris1 | I presume after installing from cd1 and rebooting, I can then install the rest through netinstall |
| 13:27.58 | kanpachi | thanx |
| 13:28.03 | Haris1 | or dpkg or apt-get |
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| 13:28.18 | kanpachi | guess i'll have to go for the legacy nvidia ones |
| 13:28.19 | Haris1 | fiendskull9: Tell me about it |
| 13:28.30 | fiendskull9 | kanpachi: i meant glx |
| 13:28.35 | fiendskull9 | legacy is for much older than the 4 series |
| 13:28.46 | fiendskull9 | Haris1: literally or are we using figure of speech here? |
| 13:28.47 | kanpachi | oh, you mean i should use the nvidia-glx? |
| 13:28.55 | fiendskull9 | kanpachi: yes, afaik |
| 13:28.55 | cast | Haris1: yip, we use aptitude now though. |
| 13:28.59 | kanpachi | afaik? |
| 13:29.01 | Haris1 | fiendskull9: Anyway you like |
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| 13:29.04 | fiendskull9 | as far as i know |
| 13:29.08 | kanpachi | oh ok |
| 13:29.09 | kanpachi | thanx |
| 13:29.15 | falz | not really debian related, but debian comes with exim by defualt, and exim channels seem dead :) anyone know how to make an autoreply in exim use the reply-to address if it exists? |
| 13:29.16 | fiendskull9 | Haris1: are you a bot? |
| 13:29.28 | fiendskull9 | obviously not |
| 13:30.06 | cast | Haris1: cd1 is [i think] can be viewed as a superset of the netinst cd, the netinst cd is all you need to do what you want. hence cd1 will do fine also |
| 13:30.27 | kanpachi | why does the stable repos on etch say "sarge"? is it a bug? |
| 13:30.35 | Haris1 | cast: *laugh* I wanted to discuss them as seperate to know about them. |
| 13:30.39 | Haris1 | cast: But this'll do |
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| 13:30.54 | kanpachi | in syanptic it says debian "sarge" stable |
| 13:31.37 | Haris1 | I'm changing OS on a box that hosts transparent/NAT through iptabels for a 50 box LAN and cvs. What I'm looking for is a latest version of iptables to filter out/block p2p/torrents traffic |
| 13:31.51 | Haris1 | It has rh el ws 3 on it atm |
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| 13:32.37 | cast | well etch has 1.3.6, dunno what latest is |
| 13:33.01 | Haris1 | any! version would do, I just need p2p filtered |
| 13:33.07 | Haris1 | and NAT established as before |
| 13:33.26 | Haris1 | I'd install fbsd on it, but I'm more interested in iptables than pf/ipfw |
| 13:33.37 | Haris1 | There are fascinated things one can do with iptables |
| 13:33.47 | Haris1 | fascinated is a wrong word |
| 13:33.59 | wireddd | fascinating |
| 13:34.08 | Haris1 | ah yes |
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| 13:34.18 | mial | 'morning |
| 13:34.49 | cast | i really liked pf when i used obsd, but suit yourself :) |
| 13:35.06 | Noborusan | i run ifconfig -a, there is a 'sit0',what is that / |
| 13:35.08 | Noborusan | ? |
| 13:35.09 | mial | does someone use libpam-ldap here ? |
| 13:35.25 | mial | it doesn't work anymore after an upgrade |
| 13:36.06 | Haris1 | What I think about pf is I'll hav eto write rules in a file |
| 13:36.21 | Haris1 | its like editing the registry to get it done, rather than executing commands on cli |
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| 13:36.37 | mial | hum |
| 13:37.07 | mial | a pf.conf is clearer than an iptable command |
| 13:37.17 | cast | well, one ends up writing the iptables rules down in a file and executing that in the end too, |
| 13:38.25 | Haris1 | agreed |
| 13:38.29 | Haris1 | I have mine in a shell script |
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| 13:38.37 | Haris1 | its just a minset |
| 13:38.40 | Haris1 | mindset |
| 13:38.41 | zicho | Does anyone of you have a gp2x? |
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| 13:39.04 | cast | iptables sure does have alot of modules, i wonder if pf is competitive feature wise |
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| 13:39.37 | zicho | cast: do you have a gp2x? |
| 13:40.07 | cast | zicho: no. can i have one? |
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| 13:40.37 | bronze- | How do I install the nvidia drivers? I've installed "nvidia-glx" installed with dependencies and also "nvidia-settings", but it won't work. |
| 13:40.39 | mdmkolbe|ubuntu | Is there a graphical version of dpkg-reconfigure? I'm mostly looking for a way to "go back" in the wizard or even paste into a text box. |
| 13:40.52 | bronze- | Oh, I remember. |
| 13:41.04 | zicho | cast: Haha no. But I thought you owned one, since you vrtually nodded when i asked. |
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| 13:41.07 | mrsno__ | abrotman ubuntu doesn't need sudo for dpkg -l :) was my ignorance |
| 13:41.12 | cast | bronze-: dpkg knows all. |
| 13:41.33 | bronze- | cast: I gotta change something in xorg, I remember from last time :) |
| 13:41.42 | cast | nothing needs sudo for dpkg -l surely? |
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| 13:42.19 | xand | mdmkolbe|ubuntu: try #ubuntu |
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| 13:46.35 | chops | mdmkolbe|ubuntu: If you change your debconf settings, I believe you can get an X-based frontend for the configuration questions |
| 13:47.01 | gholm | how can I force my X to start at a higher resolution? It defaults to 1024x768 but I have no other option to go higher. I'm using the NV driver |
| 13:47.32 | semprix | gholm, xorg.conf? |
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| 13:47.54 | gholm | semprix: yeah tweaked it but no change |
| 13:48.26 | semprix | did you try to restart X? |
| 13:48.55 | semprix | anything i made changes to xorg.conf i always restart X |
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| 13:50.00 | mial | http://hashbin.com/afc.html |
| 13:50.02 | zicho | does anyone know how i can check if audio has ben transcoded or re-encoded? |
| 13:50.14 | cast | zicho: nope. |
| 13:50.15 | axos88 | (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 13:50.24 | wols_ | axos88: what videocard? |
| 13:50.24 | axos88 | what is this in xorg log? |
| 13:50.34 | azeem | axos88: it means you don't have DRI enabled |
| 13:50.42 | axos88 | nvidia geforce 8600m |
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| 13:50.49 | azeem | axos88: i.e. no hardware accellerated 3D |
| 13:50.52 | wols_ | axos88: you need the nvidia drivers |
| 13:52.10 | gholm | semprix: yeah restarted X, just get black screen if I used anything but nv |
| 13:52.12 | axos88 | aptitude instal... nevidia-kernel-2.6.18-4? |
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| 13:52.22 | azeem | !nvidia |
| 13:52.22 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 13:52.58 | Rug | Howdy all |
| 13:53.07 | semprix | gholm, well then no idea im sorry |
| 13:54.38 | Rug | You know, the only thing that really bugs me about Linux sometimes; I don't _need_ to reboot so I never get to apply the updates/see the changes. It's just too solid! |
| 13:55.24 | gholm | axos88: my kernel is 17 so a bit behind |
| 13:55.40 | cast | Rug: or you reboot and discover you can't boot anymore because of something you did 3 weeks ago |
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| 13:56.34 | suppaman | hello |
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| 13:57.01 | keith4 | hi |
| 13:57.08 | Rug | cast: har, shit I forgot about that one... yeah /me hates it when xserver can't remember what I want it to look like. |
| 13:57.26 | mdmkolbe|ubuntu | chops: thx, changing the front end to debconf gave me what I needed |
| 13:57.38 | chops | mdmkolbe|ubuntu: np |
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| 13:57.44 | magnet_ | hello |
| 13:58.27 | suppaman | is there a way to convert from UTF-8 to Latin1 ? |
| 13:58.31 | chops | suppaman: iconv |
| 13:58.42 | suppaman | thanks |
| 13:58.57 | magnet_ | I'm upgrading amavis on my debian, but when it reach 'creating/updating the user' , it's stuck.any suggestion on how I can debug this ? |
| 13:59.29 | magnet_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.18 | magnet_ | oh oh |
| 14:00.23 | magnet_ | sound like it was just uber slow |
| 14:02.07 | subx | ive installed the debian net-install on 2x machines. on both machines after the install it asks me to install the exact same kernel image again? |
| 14:02.20 | subx | from the updates |
| 14:02.21 | abrotman | subx: security update |
| 14:02.32 | abrotman | same ABI .. different source version |
| 14:02.34 | subx | if its a net-install shouldnt it install that automatically |
| 14:02.36 | suppaman | chops: iconv: illegal input sequence at position 6648 |
| 14:02.41 | suppaman | chops: ever seen ? |
| 14:02.44 | cast | notice the 2.6.18-X has different X's probably |
| 14:03.04 | abrotman | cast: same X .. same ABI .. different source version/build number |
| 14:03.07 | chops | suppaman: What's the exact iconv command you're running? |
| 14:03.16 | cast | abrotman: ohh, my bad. |
| 14:03.21 | abrotman | subx: no .. the netinst was made when etch was released .. there has been a security update to the kernel since then |
| 14:03.30 | subx | ok |
| 14:03.57 | suppaman | chops: $ iconv -f UTF-16 -t LATIN1 -o output.txt myfile.txt |
| 14:04.25 | some_dude | hey, my eth0 is not comming up automaticly, i want it set to dhcp |
| 14:04.28 | chops | suppaman: Shouldn't that first one be UTF-8? |
| 14:04.37 | chops | !tell some_dude about interfaces |
| 14:04.38 | suppaman | $ file myfile.txt |
| 14:04.38 | suppaman | myfile.txt: Unicode text, UTF-16, big-endian |
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| 14:04.47 | cast | right, sleep time before i fall asleep. night all |
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| 14:05.14 | chops | suppaman: I wouldn't trust 'file'; it often gets things wrong. I actually don't know what UTF-16 is, but I believe that UTF-8 is a lot more common. |
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| 14:05.33 | chops | suppaman: I'd at least try iconv with UTF-8 and see if that works, certainly |
| 14:05.39 | suppaman | iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0 |
| 14:05.42 | suppaman | not much better |
| 14:05.50 | chops | suppaman: Not a lot, no |
| 14:05.52 | suppaman | :-) |
| 14:05.58 | chops | suppaman: You want to post the file somewhere for me to look at? |
| 14:06.04 | suppaman | it's not mine |
| 14:06.28 | suppaman | I'd prefer not to, nothing against you |
| 14:06.40 | chops | suppaman: Yeah, no worries. Well, I think that iconv does work... I'm not sure what to tell you :-/ |
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| 14:06.50 | suppaman | I think I'll delete wrong chars by hand |
| 14:07.03 | abrotman | what could possibly go wrong |
| 14:07.11 | suppaman | abrotman: I don't know |
| 14:07.37 | suppaman | how can I dump only 3 or 4 chars in a file ? |
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| 14:08.15 | suppaman | like char 6648 for example ? |
| 14:08.39 | keith4 | tr? |
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| 14:09.01 | suppaman | isn't that for translating chars? |
| 14:09.19 | keith4 | sure, but translating to nothing = deleting |
| 14:09.36 | keith4 | don't know if it's unicode friendly, though |
| 14:10.18 | suppaman | keith4: I'd prefer to edit a file a particular char |
| 14:10.34 | suppaman | like vi +100 for row number 100 |
| 14:10.41 | keith4 | lots of text editors have find and replace |
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| 14:10.58 | suppaman | keith4: but I don't know what the char to delete is |
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| 14:11.08 | suppaman | I know only its place in the file |
| 14:11.12 | keith4 | oh |
| 14:11.20 | keith4 | hmm |
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| 14:11.49 | yangvnc | I am wondering why mouse doesn't work...I have a laptop and i am using a touchpad, however mouse is set as /dev/input/mice and IMPS/2 |
| 14:12.04 | draeath | Anyone have the stock debian 4.0 stable kernel installed for x86? What's the filesize of your vmlinuz? |
| 14:12.15 | abrotman | is the psmouse module loaded ? |
| 14:12.33 | chops | draeath: See also debsums |
| 14:12.34 | abrotman | draeath: which specific kernel? package version |
| 14:12.35 | yangvnc | abrotman: yes loaded |
| 14:12.51 | abrotman | dmesg | grep mouse |
| 14:12.56 | draeath | i do not have debian, i am using it as a comparison. packages.debian.org shows the file but does not give specifics |
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| 14:13.05 | yangvnc | [16:12:28] root@laptop /home/yang # dmesg | grep ouse |
| 14:13.05 | yangvnc | mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 14:13.16 | abrotman | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1261213 2007-05-10 00:14 vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 14:13.26 | some_dude | I've not an auto eth0 line, and then a iface eth0 inet dhcp, but it's not being raised on boot. |
| 14:13.34 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 14:13.34 | dpkg | laptop is, like, All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 14:13.38 | draeath | abrotman: thanks! that is <exactly> what I was after |
| 14:13.52 | keith4 | some_dude: 'auto eth0' is what makes it come up... automatically |
| 14:14.13 | some_dude | that's what i assumed, but it's not comming up |
| 14:14.31 | abrotman | some_dude: pcmcia card ? |
| 14:14.32 | keith4 | pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 14:15.08 | yangvnc | abrotman: any other hint? |
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| 14:15.42 | some_dude | http://paste.debian.net/32650 |
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| 14:15.49 | some_dude | not a pcmcia card |
| 14:15.51 | suppaman | the wrong sequence seems to be 20 14 in hex |
| 14:16.10 | subx | the kernel image on my box is: 2.6.18-4.686 and the update is asking me to install the EXACT same image, if it was a security update shoudlnt it say -5 ? |
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| 14:16.15 | some_dude | one dhclient will fix it the problem |
| 14:16.18 | draeath | well crap. what do you do when your are configuring a kernel and the built-in help isn't enough? (like I have no idea what some things are for) |
| 14:16.47 | stew | draeath: if you have no idea what they are for, then take the default, "If you are unsure, choose..." |
| 14:16.48 | ivan-kanis | draeath: look at the source code is all that's left |
| 14:16.58 | some_dude | ifdown -a && ifup -a will raise the nic |
| 14:17.10 | draeath | stew: heh, there are lots of options in 2.6.21 that don't have that anymore :D |
| 14:17.26 | keith4 | google? |
| 14:17.27 | stew | draeath: if its an option that you have no idea what it is for, you probably don't need it |
| 14:17.27 | abrotman | yangvnc: see the above URLs about laptops .. see if your laptop has some entries |
| 14:17.46 | yangvnc | nope all 3 entries are expired its an old laptop |
| 14:17.55 | abrotman | !synaptics |
| 14:17.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, synaptics is a driver for the touchpad on many laptops for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and "man synaptics" for the driver options, if its not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html |
| 14:18.03 | some_dude | keith4 : you see any problems in my /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 14:18.10 | draeath | stew: good point. I'll be sure to keep the source and config ready for a rebuild if I find I need something. |
| 14:18.13 | keith4 | some_dude: nope, looks fine |
| 14:18.16 | yangvnc | abrotman: synaptics touchpad works properly |
| 14:18.25 | some_dude | it's not raise lo either |
| 14:18.49 | keith4 | some_dude: anything useful in dmesg? |
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| 14:19.44 | yangvnc | abrotman: however in the synaptics section i have the option #Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" , does it interfere with the mouse setting? |
| 14:20.09 | some_dude | no |
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| 14:21.58 | some_dude | it must be higher up, in my rc files |
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| 14:23.47 | stew | yangvnc: there is no need to specify a Device for synpatics |
| 14:23.49 | subx | when my machine boots sometimes it freezes where it says 'Uniform CD-ROM driver." if i reboot its usually ok |
| 14:24.11 | yangvnc | stew: ok |
| 14:24.34 | yangvnc | stew: /etc/X11/xorg.conf can be configured by hand? |
| 14:24.40 | stew | yangvnc: yes |
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| 14:25.06 | some_dude | it's a hack, but one well placed ifdown -a;ifup -a in the rc.local seems to work |
| 14:26.19 | jelly | some_dude: which card? |
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| 14:26.46 | some_dude | eth0 |
| 14:27.09 | stew | is this one of those situations where allot_hotplug is actually a good idea? |
| 14:27.10 | jelly | some_dude: No, I meant what hardware (or driver at least), had some problems with initializing some tg3 based cards |
| 14:27.27 | some_dude | I'm using a backport, and the upgrade to it, *may* have messed up some of my /etc/rc.x files |
| 14:27.33 | stew | hmm, actaully switching for auto to allow_hotplug just *decreases* the change that it is brought up, doesn't it |
| 14:27.56 | jelly | some_dude: basically they needed a few seconds to detect the link, configuring before that wouldn't work |
| 14:27.57 | suppaman | ok done |
| 14:28.16 | suppaman | I had a lot of 20 18 and 20 1E sequences that weren't convertible |
| 14:28.35 | yangvnc | abrotman: stew dmesg shows me some errors about the mouse http://paste.debian.net/32651 |
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| 14:28.54 | some_dude | I'll toss in a sleep. but I don't know much about the sysvinit, and today is not the day to learn :P |
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| 14:29.14 | stew | yangvnc: that is something between the kernel driver and the hardware, so nothing you are going to touch in xorg.conf is going to affect it |
| 14:29.43 | yangvnc | stew: well my synaptics touchpad works, but the mouse doesnt |
| 14:30.07 | stew | yangvnc: does it work with gpm? |
| 14:30.15 | yangvnc | stew: havent tried |
| 14:31.18 | axos88 | erm... I just started writing a CD in gnome @ max speed, and it says it will tak 15 minutes... wtF?! |
| 14:31.25 | stew | some_dude: where in /etc/rcS.d is pcmcia started? |
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| 14:32.17 | stew | yangvnc: put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and your /etc/X11/xorg.conf into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:32.20 | some_dude | stew I'm locked out of the system, I'll tell you in a sec. |
| 14:32.24 | yangvnc | axos88: then its not taking it at full speed, do you have a new burner? |
| 14:32.49 | axos88 | yeah |
| 14:32.57 | axos88 | DVD-burner |
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| 14:33.20 | axos88 | actually i'm writing a cd, its max speed would be 40 I think, or 32 maybe |
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| 14:33.46 | chops | axos88: There are often separate speeds for reading and writing |
| 14:34.03 | Arafangion | axos88: Max writing speed is probably more like 8 or 16. |
| 14:34.16 | Rug | hehe check out #amarok for dueling bots |
| 14:35.22 | Rug | darn they stopped |
| 14:35.28 | some_dude | I'm locked out, and pretty happy about it. |
| 14:35.31 | yangvnc | stew: http://paste.debian.net/32652 & http://paste.debian.net/32653 |
| 14:35.33 | axos88 | Arafangion: hey, i'm not a moron... okay? this is a brand new DVD writer... Writes DVD+/- @ 16x, CD-s @40x or 32x |
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| 14:36.06 | yangvnc | axos88: try using "wodim" |
| 14:36.19 | Rug | axos88: what brand? |
| 14:36.31 | yangvnc | axos88: and see if the CD-media supports higher speeds |
| 14:36.32 | axos88 | asus |
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| 14:36.59 | axos88 | it does, I've written with this same writer before, in ~5 mins |
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| 14:37.11 | axos88 | whatever... it's just wierd |
| 14:37.35 | Rug | axos88: do you know what chipset Asus uses? (prolly LG rebranded) but those are damn good drives. do you know if DMA is turned on? |
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| 14:38.00 | axos88 | as I said.... I've written with this same writer before, in ~5 mins |
| 14:38.15 | axos88 | about 3h ago |
| 14:38.20 | Rug | axos88: I am not doubting that the drive is 100% perfect. |
| 14:38.21 | stew | axos88: with the same media? |
| 14:38.24 | axos88 | under windows... |
| 14:38.30 | axos88 | yep |
| 14:38.44 | yangvnc | axos88: sometimes CD burner software decides speed on its own, happens to me many times |
| 14:38.56 | stew | axos88: wodim takes a conservative approach, you could try specifying the speed explicitly |
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| 14:39.09 | axos88 | yeah... I just set it to "maximum"... next time, i'll do that |
| 14:39.21 | Noboru | by default,iptables is installed ,so if i add rules and run it,will it run after a reboot ? |
| 14:39.34 | axos88 | Noboru: no |
| 14:39.46 | stew | yangvnc: how is your mouse attached? |
| 14:39.55 | yangvnc | stew: to the ps2 |
| 14:39.56 | stew | yangvnc: is there a reason you are using /dev/psaux instead of /dev/psaux? |
| 14:40.01 | Noboru | axos88, okay,so if anything wrong that i lose ssh to it,i can reboot the server ,by hand of my isp hmm |
| 14:40.04 | stew | err, instead of /dev/input/mice |
| 14:40.06 | Noboru | axos88, thanks. |
| 14:40.08 | axos88 | Noboru: you'll have to add them to something like rc.local, but why don't you use arno-iptables-firewall? |
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| 14:40.25 | yangvnc | stew: i tried /dev/input/mice and /dev/psaux |
| 14:40.30 | Noboru | hmm |
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| 14:41.12 | yangvnc | stew: fails to work in both cases |
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| 14:41.35 | yangvnc | stew: could also be a broken ps2 port... |
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| 14:42.05 | stew | yangvnc: i'd try gpm in order to identify or eliminate your x server as the problem |
| 14:42.12 | yangvnc | stew: ok |
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| 14:47.44 | subx | what tool would i use to rename a volume? |
| 14:48.35 | stew | subx: what filesystem is it? |
| 14:48.41 | subx | fat32 |
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| 14:50.37 | subx | i found a easy way of doing it, in gnome click on places / computer and u can rename it from there |
| 14:51.13 | subx | ohh noo it wont let me because im not root.. |
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| 14:51.32 | mike1o | do u know of any repository containing gnash 0.8 for debian? http://users.alioth.debian.org/~baby-guest/gnash/ doesn't work for me (I have amd64) |
| 14:51.48 | mike1o | ~gnash |
| 14:51.54 | mike1o | !gnash |
| 14:51.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gnash is a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project. ... |
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| 14:53.12 | abrotman | mike1o: there are amd64 packages there |
| 14:54.01 | mike1o | I must have done something wrong... I cant install it.... |
| 14:54.14 | abrotman | mike1o: how did you try? |
| 14:54.21 | abrotman | (the source packages are also there somewhere) |
| 14:54.33 | mike1o | sudo dpkg -i ecc... |
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| 14:54.59 | mike1o | gave me errors I probably have a conflict somewhere |
| 14:55.32 | mike1o | can I add http://users.alioth.debian.org/~baby-guest/gnash/ to my sources.list as a repository? |
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| 14:56.12 | mike1o | it's ok ill just wait until it comes out and use chroot in the meantime :-) |
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| 14:58.17 | subx | stew: i found the solution, i need to install mtools and use mlabel for fat32 |
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| 14:59.33 | mike1o | youtube-dl rocks! |
| 14:59.56 | abrotman | mike1o: did you get an error ? |
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| 15:01.06 | nevermind | hi everybody |
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| 15:01.08 | nevermind | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.15 | ricky | Hi! |
| 15:01.30 | nevermind | what'S up? |
| 15:02.45 | mike1o | abrotman, yup |
| 15:02.50 | mike1o | but it's ok |
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| 15:05.07 | Noboru | i ran iptables-save file,then more file, its strange |
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| 15:06.46 | abrotman | mike1o: ? |
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| 15:08.29 | mike1o | abrotman, I just found youtube-dl... so I'll just wait until gnash 0.8 gets moved to testing |
| 15:08.39 | abrotman | uhm .. that could be a very long time |
| 15:08.40 | abrotman | but okay |
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| 15:09.57 | fsteves | How can I execute `sudo -i` after /etc/motd is posted in the console |
| 15:10.33 | fsteves | rc.local is too early |
| 15:10.35 | Noboru | can anyone tell me where do i add my rules in iptables ? http://pastebin.ca/617842 |
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| 15:10.50 | ricky | fsteves: Um, do you have a prompt? |
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| 15:11.03 | ricky | (as in a shell) |
| 15:11.09 | fsteves | ricky: Yes of course |
| 15:11.24 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 15:11.25 | dpkg | [iptables] the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 15:12.15 | fsteves | Let me define the issue: I am working on a live distro, and I do not want to disble the secondary user that is added, by ONLY using a root user |
| 15:12.16 | ricky | fsteves: Ohhh.. OK- I misunderstood what you were saying. |
| 15:12.45 | mike1o | abrotman, there's the problem I don't have the package libcurl4-gnutls |
| 15:12.46 | fsteves | so if username=root in the kernel parameters, then no regular user is created |
| 15:13.04 | abrotman | mike1o: apt-get -f install might fix that |
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| 15:13.57 | mike1o | abrotman, libcurl4-gnutls is not available in my amd64 reps |
| 15:14.11 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 15:14.13 | mike1o | it probably works for i386 |
| 15:14.40 | mike1o | or unstable |
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| 15:15.46 | ninnghizidha | Hi guys. Got a problem with my (nearly) working server. |
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| 15:15.55 | ninnghizidha | i am missing eth0. |
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| 15:16.12 | ninnghizidha | but the realtek-card shows at lspci |
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| 15:16.23 | azeem | ninnghizidha: did you check dmesg? |
| 15:16.24 | mike1o | got use sid packages |
| 15:16.44 | ninnghizidha | will do. |
| 15:16.47 | ninnghizidha | just a second |
| 15:17.48 | et | hi. in etch, can you configure the networkmanager to add "search" lines to the /etc/resolv.conf file it creates? |
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| 15:18.06 | ninnghizidha | It says "chip not responding, try the 8139too" driver instead" |
| 15:18.28 | ninnghizidha | shall i modprobe it? |
| 15:19.12 | ninnghizidha | hooray, there is eth0 |
| 15:19.13 | ninnghizidha | :D |
| 15:19.19 | azeem | what version of Debian? |
| 15:19.19 | ninnghizidha | you are perfect, guys! |
| 15:19.20 | ninnghizidha | :d |
| 15:19.50 | tarzeau | does debian when installing on a machine register the found hardware nics with eth0, eth1... somewhere? |
| 15:19.59 | tarzeau | i removed one, added another, and got eth3 somehow... |
| 15:20.07 | tarzeau | (that is on debian etch) |
| 15:20.08 | azeem | tarzeau: udev does, AFAIK |
| 15:20.12 | spldart | Is it possible to copy an entire deb-etch install off an old hdd [hda2] and copy it to a new hdd, will again be [hda2] and reinstall grub with a rescue disk.... This is a hdd upgrade on a machine so no other hardware changes are present. |
| 15:20.17 | azeem | ninnghizidha: you can add the module to /etc/modules to get it loaded on bootup |
| 15:20.23 | tarzeau | azeem: i see, thanks. yes i'm using 2.6 kernel and udev |
| 15:20.39 | azeem | tarzeau: it's keeping state somewhere, but I don't know where off-hand |
| 15:20.53 | tarzeau | azeem: can i turn this off somehow? |
| 15:21.03 | azeem | no idea |
| 15:21.11 | ninnghizidha | doing this right now .... (but dhcp aint not working .... wierd) |
| 15:21.13 | tarzeau | azeem: network/interfaces used to be auto eth0, now it's allow-hotplug eth0 ... ? |
| 15:21.18 | some_dude | hey, if I wanted to run a program at startup, before anything else what file would i need to edit. ? |
| 15:21.19 | azeem | well, I assume you can, but dunno how |
| 15:21.20 | tarzeau | azeem: that's useful for pci built-in nics? |
| 15:21.32 | some_dude | I mean before the logs, and network and all of it ? |
| 15:21.37 | azeem | some_dude: system startup, or login? |
| 15:21.46 | some_dude | system startup |
| 15:21.47 | azeem | ok |
| 15:21.55 | azeem | hrm, /etc/init.d/rc.local is too late? |
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| 15:22.05 | some_dude | yea, that's what I'm using now |
| 15:22.39 | some_dude | the box only needs to run one app, so I don't really need anything else. no ssh, or samba, or anything else. |
| 15:22.53 | Szeraax | anyone here tried setting up ati's drivers (latest ones) with etch? this is my error after i type m-a a-i fglrx (and yes, i have installed the debs, which i told the latest ati.run to build for my Debian/etch )"fglrx-driver: depends: xserver-xorg (< 1:7.0.99) but (1:7.1.0) is to be installed" |
| 15:23.04 | azeem | some_dude: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:23.09 | stew | some_dude: is this for your pcmcia still? |
| 15:23.18 | azeem | some_dude: if you don't need samba, just deinstall it? |
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| 15:24.44 | some_dude | I'm trying to get as much memory free as i can for my running app. I'm using VMWare, and I have 15 virtual machines each running only one app. There is no user interface, so I don't need the system services running eating my memory. It's run on 32, but slowley. I'm going to increase to 64, but i want to optimize the system |
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| 15:25.17 | some_dude | even 3mbs of ram *15 = 45mb |
| 15:25.41 | some_dude | I want every *drop* of memory for ME |
| 15:26.03 | chops | some_dude: You could run a simple script that mounts filesystems, sets up networking, and then runs your app instead of init |
| 15:26.05 | azeem | some_dude: so boot into single-user mode? |
| 15:26.13 | some_dude | yea |
| 15:26.18 | some_dude | that's what i want |
| 15:26.24 | chops | some_dude: Add "init=/home/somedude/alliwant" to the end of your kernel command line |
| 15:26.55 | some_dude | chops: to cool |
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| 15:27.08 | chops | some_dude: Where /home/somedude/alliwant is the script that does whatever it is you want to set up. You should probably boot into single-user mode (init=/bin/sh) and set everything up by hand first, to play around with learning what's required. |
| 15:27.09 | ninnghizidha | well ... put the new driver "8139too" to etc/modules, but it wont start at boot. just after modprobe. |
| 15:27.56 | chops | some_dude: You'll definitely want to start networking and remount the root filesystem read-write, for example. You might want to start syslog, udev, and some other very basic services also, depending on your needs. |
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| 15:30.09 | azeem | ninnghizidha: anything about 8139too in dmesg before you modprobe? |
| 15:31.10 | ninnghizidha | yes ..chip not responding again ... |
| 15:31.19 | azeem | hrm, weird |
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| 15:31.38 | azeem | probably exchanging the card for another realtek is easier than debugging this |
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| 15:31.41 | ninnghizidha | i dont think its broken ... worked 2 years already in an ubuntu-pc |
| 15:31.55 | azeem | hr |
| 15:31.59 | azeem | m |
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| 15:33.21 | Szeraax | so here's a question, i have a comp that cant connect to the internet, to update its xserver-xorg, will i need to dl the xserver-xorg-core and all its depends? or will it work if i just get the xserver-xorg-core package? (i currently have 1:7.0.99, i believe) |
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| 15:33.34 | DawnLight | my HDD is starting to make high frequency ticks |
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| 15:34.01 | chops | Szeraax: You almost certainly want to upgrade all the xserver packages |
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| 15:34.25 | Szeraax | chops: dang, i hate having to dl lots of little things... |
| 15:34.34 | chops | Szeraax: You can use apt-rdepends to figure out what all is going to need to be updated, then install that on a separate machine and harvest it out of /var/cache/apt/archives (IIRC) |
| 15:34.49 | Szeraax | its only machine with linux |
| 15:34.58 | chops | Szeraax: Hm |
| 15:35.02 | Szeraax | yeah |
| 15:35.08 | Szeraax | chops: I've got an idea |
| 15:35.15 | bronze- | Are the nvidia drivers in the debian repositories up-to-date? |
| 15:35.23 | xand | Szeraax: fix the connection issue first |
| 15:35.35 | DawnLight | how can i make audible alarms for lm-sensors?/ |
| 15:35.37 | Szeraax | soon, i will be able to use my 50 ft eth cable, and hook it up to internet, i hope |
| 15:35.54 | chops | Szeraax: It's not going to be very easy then... maybe you can figure out an easy way, but I think giving it internet is going to be what you want. |
| 15:35.55 | Szeraax | too far away, plus, parents won't let me use it on the internet |
| 15:36.20 | Szeraax | i just found out they are leaving... |
| 15:36.22 | Szeraax | :) |
| 15:36.34 | xand | a computer without network is no computer at all ;) |
| 15:36.46 | DawnLight | they won't let you hook your box to the net? |
| 15:36.47 | Szeraax | that's what i try to tell them! |
| 15:36.54 | Szeraax | yeah, it sucks |
| 15:37.02 | DawnLight | why do they do that? |
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| 15:38.12 | Szeraax | to "protect me" |
| 15:38.18 | DawnLight | is there an alternative to kdesu/gksu? |
| 15:38.25 | wols_ | gksudo? |
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| 15:38.38 | DawnLight | to incubate you, perhaps |
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| 15:38.44 | Szeraax | Szeraax: hates still iving at home and being in highschool |
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| 15:39.09 | DawnLight | then stop |
| 15:39.18 | Szeraax | nah |
| 15:39.20 | Szeraax | too fun |
| 15:39.29 | chops | Szeraax: Young people want to be old and old people want to be young... it is the way of the world. |
| 15:39.31 | MajorPayne | Szeraax: It's cheaper that way. |
| 15:39.45 | Szeraax | lol, not old, just not living here... |
| 15:40.00 | Szeraax | and now they are gone, time to go grab my cable... |
| 15:40.10 | ninnghizidha | tis card works |
| 15:40.14 | ninnghizidha | hoory |
| 15:40.22 | DawnLight | there isn't a package by the name of gksudo, wols_ |
| 15:40.33 | ninnghizidha | buts it is so old it still has some of those round ethernet-jacks |
| 15:40.52 | xand | Szeraax: young people want to be old?! haha |
| 15:40.54 | Szeraax | well, now i am leaving for a little bit, since i will discon this comp to hook up the other... |
| 15:41.01 | hark | you can make gksu use sudo too |
| 15:41.27 | Szeraax | but first, how do i tell aptitude to check the net for all possible upgrades for all my packages? |
| 15:41.28 | xand | erm |
| 15:41.31 | xand | I mean, chops |
| 15:41.39 | DawnLight | gksu installs 10M worth of stuff. i want a lighter thingy |
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| 15:42.13 | Szeraax | just mark them all as upgradable then update my package lists? |
| 15:42.13 | DawnLight | i bet it doesn't take 10M to ask me for a password |
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| 15:42.29 | MajorPayne | Does sudo work for GUI apps? |
| 15:42.34 | xand | DawnLight: you don't have 10MB free? |
| 15:42.42 | hark | DawnLight: su-to-root maybe.. |
| 15:43.09 | ninnghizidha | what do i need to install for xfs? i dont have mkfs.xfs. |
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| 15:43.36 | hark | xfsprogs |
| 15:43.39 | DawnLight | where can i find su-to-root, hark |
| 15:43.48 | ninnghizidha | hoory - thanks! |
| 15:43.50 | xand | DawnLight: "su -" |
| 15:43.53 | xand | or "su" |
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| 15:44.15 | hark | DawnLight: it's part of menu itself |
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| 15:44.45 | bronze- | Look what aptitude did! I think I'm screwed! http://pastebin.com/d4b79b525 ("FJERNER" means "Removing"). |
| 15:44.48 | DawnLight | oops. what i want is to be asked for the password in an x dialog |
| 15:44.52 | x_link | Sid doesn |
| 15:44.54 | x_link | opps |
| 15:45.00 | x_link | Sid doesn't have security repo right? |
| 15:45.04 | ninnghizidha | works like a charm - loving debian! :-D |
| 15:45.26 | DawnLight | perhaps sux does that, but i don't know how. the man page is blurry for me |
| 15:45.28 | xand | x_link: right |
| 15:45.30 | azeem | ninnghizidha: why don't you use ext3? Is this a server? |
| 15:45.44 | xand | ACLs don't seem to work on xfs |
| 15:45.55 | ninnghizidha | yes, a fileserver |
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| 15:46.08 | ninnghizidha | but stupid with a 10mbit card :P |
| 15:46.21 | ninnghizidha | the root is still ext3 |
| 15:46.28 | DawnLight | bronze: screwed? just install them back. the configuration files are still there |
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| 15:47.14 | hark | DawnLight: ah, su-to-root uses one of gksu, kdesu or sux anyway |
| 15:47.18 | bronze- | DawnLight: Yeah, but I don't want all that was uninstall. I was kinda surprised it just did that. It said "not in use, removing". What do I need to get KDE working minimally? kde-core and kdm? |
| 15:47.29 | bronze- | uninstalled* |
| 15:47.56 | DawnLight | bronze: read the package description for kde package |
| 15:48.24 | x_link | xand: Okej, thanks! |
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| 15:48.27 | hark | !install kde |
| 15:48.27 | dpkg | hmm... install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 15:48.31 | DawnLight | bronze: learn how to use aptitude. its powerful |
| 15:49.10 | bronze- | DawnLight: Yeah I've realised that. I'm more of an apt-get guy, and I was just trying aptitude :/ |
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| 15:50.31 | dkr | you can use aptitude commandline almost like apt-get |
| 15:50.38 | DawnLight | bronze: i use only aptitude. its thrillingly powerful |
| 15:50.41 | bronze- | What's the name of that open source video driver? mesa? |
| 15:50.43 | dkr | I aliased "a" to run aptitude, :) |
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| 15:50.56 | hark | bronze-: vesa |
| 15:51.04 | bronze- | hark: glad I asked then :) |
| 15:51.11 | DawnLight | black-mesa |
| 15:51.26 | dkr | hark: vesa is a standard, not really a video driver |
| 15:51.48 | hark | orly ;) |
| 15:51.52 | DawnLight | a very standard standard. not a pecial one at all |
| 15:52.00 | dkr | mesa is an opengl implementation |
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| 15:52.48 | hark | vesa is the xorg driver for VESA-compatible cards |
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| 15:52.50 | abrotman | dkr: it's both technically |
| 15:52.54 | bronze- | I'm just wondering what to put in "driver" instead of "nvidia", because I'm temporarily switching nvidia off. |
| 15:53.01 | pipeline | bronze-: "nv" |
| 15:53.11 | pipeline | bronze-: "nv" is the XF86 driver for nvidia cards. |
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| 15:53.21 | bronze- | k |
| 15:53.44 | abrotman | pipeline: oyu mean xorg? |
| 15:53.45 | scanf | How do I set the maximum size of /var/log/syslog? |
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| 15:54.09 | pipeline | abrotman: blasphemy |
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| 15:54.19 | dkr | scanf: you can modify your logrotate config to chop it off at a certain size instead of just rotating it a certain number of days |
| 15:54.21 | abrotman | :) |
| 15:54.27 | pipeline | abrotman: the true torchbearers, protected by bizarre license requirements, eternally unchanged! |
| 15:54.39 | bronze- | Is there a terminal command to restart X-server ? |
| 15:54.50 | dkr | hark: so VESA is the standard, and vesa is the driver? :) |
| 15:54.54 | abrotman | pipeline: you're a fan of DJB eh ? :) |
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| 15:54.56 | pipeline | abrotman: that said, it's pretty hilarious that all architectures' X implementations are now, to some extent, based on ye olden X386. |
| 15:55.14 | abrotman | yes .. well .. everything has history |
| 15:55.16 | dkr | bronze-: killall X |
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| 15:55.22 | pipeline | It's an interesting history is all |
| 15:55.23 | bronze- | brb |
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| 15:55.26 | pipeline | fifteen years between fork and merge |
| 15:55.33 | pipeline | with almost zero work on the main tree :) |
| 15:55.36 | dkr | (init will restart it automatically) |
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| 16:04.49 | ninnghizidha | The Old (first bugged) nic now works again: i repositioned the cards inside the machine |
| 16:05.06 | ninnghizidha | but ... the old problem stays: i got no eth0 at bootup |
| 16:05.17 | ninnghizidha | just loop |
| 16:05.32 | ninnghizidha | i got no idea how to fix that |
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| 16:07.22 | ninnghizidha | i get eth1 and eth3 as soon as i enter "dhclient" |
| 16:07.42 | ninnghizidha | eth1 is protockoll UNSPEc, eth3 gets the ip |
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| 16:09.23 | ninnghizidha | this sucks ... i just want an ip without entering dhclient :( |
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| 16:17.49 | Squart | hey all |
| 16:18.02 | techbee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:18.27 | Squart | do you all think i need an antivirus for my debian file server? |
| 16:19.24 | Squart | anyone? |
| 16:19.31 | chops | Squart: Not for Debian's sake. It's possible that you would want antivirus software to keep Windows viruses from spreading via the file shares, but I wouldn't recommend it. |
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| 16:19.47 | Squart | hmm ok |
| 16:20.00 | Squart | every clients pc has an AV |
| 16:20.09 | Squart | so it's not really necesary right? |
| 16:20.10 | Manowarrr | how to forward 29900 port to 192.168.0.31 , a little help with iptables please ? |
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| 16:21.04 | Squart | since i am new can you help me with suggestion regarding back up? |
| 16:21.31 | Squart | some friends are telling me th best way is with tar and with a dvd bruner anyone disagree? |
| 16:21.33 | chops | Squart: It is not necessary to install antivirus software to protect a Linux server from becoming infected by a virus. It _is_ essential to keep a Linux server up-to-date on security updates. |
| 16:22.02 | chops | Squart: I'm using tar and USB drives, having migrated to that from tar+DVD burner, and it's kind of a PITA. I'd recommend looking into amanda, which everyone seems to think is good. |
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| 16:22.17 | clsoX | hello |
| 16:22.39 | clsoX | can i ask about a problem to install debian...? |
| 16:22.47 | chops | !ask |
| 16:22.48 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 16:23.00 | Squart | well i am asking all these question cuase i new to this world i've been working with debian for a week now and all that i have done so far is setup samba to make to make the file server work |
| 16:23.53 | clsoX | i have a pcmcia cdrom addonics but the bios doesnt detects it, so i want to know if there is any kind of diskette or how to create it to boot the cdrom to install debian |
| 16:24.10 | Squart | amanda is it easy to intsall |
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| 16:24.24 | Squart | i don't really know how to onstall packages and compile them |
| 16:24.39 | Squart | well i do know about the apt-get |
| 16:24.42 | clsoX | note: i cant use the diskettes to install by net because doesnt detect my hard drive |
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| 16:26.31 | clsoX | Anyone knows... |
| 16:26.33 | clsoX | ? |
| 16:27.12 | chops | Squart: apt-get is the install procedure. If you are new to this world you should not be compiling anything yet. |
| 16:27.53 | dosey | hi |
| 16:28.08 | clsoX | hi,,, |
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| 16:28.37 | dosey | hoc can I chance the polling time for hald-addon-storage? |
| 16:28.44 | dosey | *how |
| 16:28.53 | dosey | hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/hdc (every 2 sec) |
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| 16:29.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know how to activate the TPM on my new lappy? |
| 16:29.25 | dosey | on my notebook a I would set it to 5s |
| 16:29.25 | Xinill | Hi all |
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| 16:29.51 | Xinill | Does anyone know how to enable gif support in konqueror? |
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| 16:30.16 | techbee | !anyone |
| 16:30.16 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:30.43 | kingsley | Xinill: I don't know, but searching google's indices might yield an answer. |
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| 16:31.54 | xinill | Hm? Something disconnected me ;] |
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| 16:32.07 | xinill | So, does anyone know how to enable gif support in konqueror? ;] |
| 16:32.21 | xinill | I only find info that i must recompile qt |
| 16:32.26 | xinill | With ./configure -gif option |
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| 16:37.49 | DawnLight | in which package is the ip utility? |
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| 16:38.15 | adv0cate | 2.6.21-2-686 breaks snd_cs46xx ... |
| 16:38.15 | Phil4 | ip utility DawnLight? |
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| 16:38.37 | DawnLight | "ip r"... |
| 16:38.38 | Nyle | does anyone know anything about air compressors? |
| 16:38.39 | Nyle | of |
| 16:38.42 | Nyle | er.. ot |
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| 16:38.48 | Phil4 | oh |
| 16:38.51 | Phil4 | iproute |
| 16:38.53 | DawnLight | i know how to use one |
| 16:38.59 | zinx | Nyle: wrong channel, methinks |
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| 16:39.09 | Nyle | zinx: I'm aware of that |
| 16:39.38 | pjontka | czesc |
| 16:39.39 | Nyle | I need an air compressor a small one for cleaning computes, cuz bying cans of air is expensive |
| 16:39.43 | Nyle | la de da |
| 16:39.44 | Nyle | :( |
| 16:40.14 | zinx | Nyle: but this is the wrong channel to discuss it in. |
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| 16:40.22 | zinx | Nyle: try #off-topic / #defocus / etc |
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| 16:40.56 | Nyle | zinx: I have an idea, blow me. |
| 16:41.10 | xinill_ | Ughugh, i hate gprs connection via cellphone :/ |
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| 16:41.25 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 16:41.29 | DawnLight | how do i list my dns stuff? |
| 16:41.40 | tarzeau | DawnLight: what's my? |
| 16:41.45 | tarzeau | DawnLight: usually with host -la ? |
| 16:42.08 | xinill_ | So, does anyone know, where can i get qt sources and how to compile them? ;] |
| 16:42.10 | tarzeau | Nyle: we got the compressor in the wall, unlimited air! |
| 16:42.17 | DawnLight | my dns servers list |
| 16:42.26 | tarzeau | DawnLight: ahhh /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 16:43.00 | DawnLight | Nyle: take your box to a neighnor |
| 16:43.05 | jetscreamer | lessee |
| 16:43.14 | jetscreamer | that must have been nyle :) |
| 16:43.21 | jetscreamer | tsk tsk |
| 16:43.32 | jetscreamer | you shouldn't fuck with teh_zincks |
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| 16:43.57 | jetscreamer | :P@nyle |
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| 16:45.23 | DawnLight | i don't know anything about dns technology. how do i change the defauld dns server? |
| 16:45.56 | jetscreamer | if you're not using dhcp i think it's in /etc/hosts or something i forget exactly which |
| 16:46.01 | wols_ | DawnLight: change your /etc/resolvconf/ |
| 16:46.04 | wols_ | DawnLight: change your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:46.06 | jetscreamer | ah that one |
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| 16:46.30 | Ryushin | Anyone know of where I can find a bootsplash patch for 2.6.22? |
| 16:46.44 | wols_ | !bootsplash |
| 16:46.44 | dpkg | it has been said that bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot |
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| 16:46.56 | DawnLight | why did debian-installer put dns stuff in my interfaces file? |
| 16:46.57 | jetscreamer | it just kind of works when i install the needed modules |
| 16:47.21 | wols_ | DawnLight: what dns stuff? |
| 16:47.25 | jetscreamer | there are like 3 differen't types of bootsplash-ii i think |
| 16:47.35 | DawnLight | dns-nameservers 192.168.2.1 for example |
| 16:47.42 | jetscreamer | a kernel, a userland, and a grub |
| 16:48.13 | jetscreamer | OMFG i think my dog farted |
| 16:48.35 | DawnLight | why don't they put bootsplash in the kernel? |
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| 16:49.32 | Ryushin | Well, the bootsplash 2.6.21 patch does not patch against 2.6.22. Hince I've been searching and not finding that anyone has found out the problem and released a patch for it yet. |
| 16:50.01 | Azar | don't play with July the 13th..brrrr |
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| 17:05.10 | Ryushin | The grub background splash is very different than bootsplash for the boot up process. |
| 17:05.10 | jetscreamer | see also splashy et al |
| 17:05.10 | adamo | hello |
| 17:05.10 | jetscreamer | like i said, there are 3 diff kinds |
| 17:05.10 | adv0cate | has anyone else experienced any failures or breakage after updating to the 2.6.21-2-686 kernel? |
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| 17:05.10 | jetscreamer | at lest |
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| 17:05.11 | jetscreamer | a |
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| 17:05.11 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 17:05.11 | Ryushin | Not to mention that you have to use fb-splash for suspend2. |
| 17:05.12 | KaiSVK | hi all :) |
| 17:05.12 | Nyle | ahhh boy |
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| 17:05.12 | Azar | Nyle: now be nice and say "thank you stew" |
| 17:05.12 | Nyle | I shall not. |
| 17:05.12 | Azar | :( |
| 17:05.12 | Nyle | However I will apologie to zinx |
| 17:05.12 | Nyle | it was a joke, air compressor, blow me, a pun |
| 17:05.12 | Nyle | didn't mean to say like, blow me as in you kno like insulting him |
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| 17:05.14 | Nyle | I guess without a smiley at the end it would be taken as a negative thing onilne |
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| 17:05.14 | adamo | i'm a debian user and i have one problem with suspend to ram and cdrom drive |
| 17:05.14 | jetscreamer | heh... i didn't get it, but i wasn't paying attention |
| 17:05.14 | wfq | hi. A few days ago my alsa driver left working. I have had to install something that brokes it. I have tried to play a .wav file by using aplay but I can't hear anything |
| 17:05.15 | wfq | I can't also pick up any error in syslog |
| 17:05.15 | adamo | anybody? |
| 17:05.16 | Azar | wfq: did you test your speakers on some other PC? maybe the speakers died? |
| 17:05.16 | Azar | or try other speakers on that PC... |
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| 17:05.18 | wfq | oh it is mylaptop and I haven't got any other SSOO to install but I could use another speakers will not embed in the laptop |
| 17:05.18 | Azar | wfq: that's a first step, |
| 17:05.18 | adamo | suspend... ram... cdrom... problem... |
| 17:05.18 | Azar | wfq: if is not a speakers issue, I'd redo the alsamixer see if something changed there, unmute channels , save |
| 17:05.20 | Azar | adamo: me beginner don't know about suspend.... maybe others here |
| 17:05.20 | adamo | i hope, azar |
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| 17:05.20 | wfq | Azar, speaker are not and volumes are on the top |
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| 17:05.20 | cahoot | wfq, run invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 - see if things get better |
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| 17:05.22 | Azar | yes, mister cahoot to the rescue! :) |
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| 17:05.23 | apt_get | Can I make work a "Intel ICH7" RAID with DEBIAN? I'm trying but 'fdisk -l' always show 2 sata disk... and with raid0 the correct is showing only sda... |
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| 17:05.23 | apt_get | some documents direct me to use LSI and not intel matrix storage(2 options in bios). But with LSI the same problem |
| 17:05.23 | Azar | it seems all helpers left for lunch... |
| 17:05.23 | wfq | cahoot, I have done but they are still off. The cuestion is when i use speakers out of my laptop I can hear the typical sound when you plug/unplug speakers but the real sound is not coming |
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| 17:05.25 | Azar | wfq: maybe your player was switched from alsa to oss .... check your player settings again |
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| 17:05.25 | wfq | Azar I have used aplay and it does not work |
| 17:05.25 | Azar | wfq: never heard of aplay, try xmms... |
| 17:05.25 | wfq | so my player could not be |
| 17:05.25 | wfq | Azar, I have also done it |
| 17:05.25 | wfq | but neither |
| 17:05.25 | wfq | the problem is i can't pick up erros in my syslog |
| 17:05.27 | Azar | wfq: is xmms set to use alsa ? |
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| 17:05.27 | Nyle | people still use xmms |
| 17:05.27 | Nyle | wow |
| 17:05.32 | wfq | Azar, yes, I changed the plugin to Alsa |
| 17:05.33 | Azar | that was my problem when I first installed alsa.... it had system sound but no player sound |
| 17:05.34 | cahoot | wfq, does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return anything? |
| 17:05.58 | Azar | Nyle: that's the only player I stick with.. |
| 17:06.21 | robboplus | is there a good tool that allows killing tcp sessions established on host? |
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| 17:06.41 | cahoot | ifdown |
| 17:06.43 | wfq | it is now working |
| 17:06.49 | Azar | wfq: nice |
| 17:06.55 | robboplus | cahoot i need only particular session to be killed.. not all of them |
| 17:07.03 | wfq | but it is not the plugin |
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| 17:07.11 | Nyle | amarok i use |
| 17:07.14 | Nyle | exclusively |
| 17:07.29 | Nyle | xmms doesn't have a good library feature |
| 17:07.33 | cahoot | never heard of aqualung? |
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| 17:07.38 | Nyle | nope |
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| 17:08.00 | Azar | Nyle: since xmms "just works" for my file types... I don't care about other players |
| 17:08.00 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 17:08.05 | wfq | I have restarted back as cahoot said and it works. |
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| 17:08.11 | wfq | thank you guys a lot |
| 17:08.13 | Nyle | Azar: I need a collection browser now |
| 17:08.15 | karmatronic | Azar: btw i m trying xmms2 right now |
| 17:08.17 | Azar | !beer cahoot |
| 17:08.28 | cahoot | thank you |
| 17:08.34 | karmatronic | Nyle: it does have a coÃllection browser |
| 17:08.35 | Nyle | Azar: I have 120+gb of music. xmms just doesn't cut it for me |
| 17:08.42 | cahoot | just finished a fransiskaner |
| 17:08.45 | Nyle | karmatronic: but not as good |
| 17:08.47 | robboplus | Nyle sshhh... |
| 17:08.54 | Nyle | robboplus: ? |
| 17:08.55 | Azar | Nyle: I only have some 15 songs... :) enough for me |
| 17:09.09 | Nyle | Azar: I have over 700+ cds still in their original cases |
| 17:09.13 | Azar | I play them on hollidays.. |
| 17:09.14 | Nyle | afer I rip, I save my cds |
| 17:09.15 | robboplus | Azar is that a britney album? :s |
| 17:09.19 | Nyle | keep the originals safe |
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| 17:09.36 | Azar | robboplus: no some original .mod , .xm, and .s3m files |
| 17:09.42 | Nyle | otehrwise the cd gets scratched, the covers get messed up. Some of these are extremely rare to find albums from the deep metal underground |
| 17:09.44 | robboplus | Nyle if you want quality use lossless encoding |
| 17:09.55 | Nyle | robboplus: not enough space |
| 17:09.58 | robboplus | Azar oh yes, old good amiga times :) |
| 17:10.00 | Nyle | mp3/ogg is good enough for me |
| 17:10.13 | robboplus | Nyle ain't dvdrs cheap these days? |
| 17:10.28 | robboplus | you can easily put 15-20 albums per dvdr that way and full original quality |
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| 17:10.35 | Nyle | yeh well i can't be bothered to put in a dvd to listen |
| 17:10.37 | Azar | ...or better yet, an external, usb drive? |
| 17:10.40 | Nyle | hdd is fine, lossy ook |
| 17:10.42 | robboplus | sometimes 10-12 but that's it |
| 17:11.00 | robboplus | lossy sux0rs... |
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| 17:12.15 | chovy | how do i find out which pkg has HTML::Entities perl module? |
| 17:12.34 | pickcoder | chovy: perl CPAN shell ? |
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| 17:13.19 | chovy | i mean in apt |
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| 17:13.29 | logd | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.01 | chovy | something had to have installed it on my system. |
| 17:14.05 | pickcoder | ibhtml-parser-perl |
| 17:14.16 | pickcoder | or libpsp-html-parser-perl |
| 17:14.19 | chovy | pickcoder: i re-intsalled taht, and still have 1.27 (older) |
| 17:14.22 | pickcoder | from apt-file search |
| 17:14.46 | pickcoder | actully.. the second is for PSP::HTML::Entities |
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| 17:14.57 | pickcoder | chovy: so use CPAN |
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| 17:15.37 | chovy | it was upgraded automatically with an OS upgrade -- I need to figure out why mine did not bump, while other machines did. |
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| 17:16.26 | chovy | you mean apt-cache search? |
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| 17:16.36 | pickcoder | apt-file search |
| 17:16.44 | chovy | apt-file is not found |
| 17:16.48 | pickcoder | you have to install it |
| 17:16.53 | chovy | # apt-file search "HTML::Entities" |
| 17:16.54 | chovy | bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 17:17.00 | xand | !not installed |
| 17:18.06 | chovy | heh |
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| 17:18.12 | chovy | doesn't know how to handle https |
| 17:18.25 | Vincent_k | Hi all, I'm having trouble getting java to work within opera in etch. When I browse and choose the java pluginlocation opera says its no plugin there? |
| 17:18.40 | Vincent_k | but it is there |
| 17:18.41 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 17:18.47 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 17:20.32 | pickcoder | chovy: dpkg -l perl |
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| 17:20.49 | chovy | 5.8.8-7 |
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| 17:21.36 | pickcoder | apt-cache policy libhtml-parser-perl |
| 17:21.46 | pickcoder | don't paste it all here |
| 17:22.48 | chovy | what am i looking for -- i seem to have two versions. |
| 17:22.54 | pickcoder | patebin the output then |
| 17:22.57 | pickcoder | pastebin even |
| 17:22.58 | chovy | i think i need the 2nd one |
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| 17:25.20 | DawnLight | hey, here's a tricky one: can i tell kde to close a remote process that it shares the x server with upon logout? |
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| 17:25.58 | DawnLight | the display part of the process it through ssh |
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| 17:26.54 | chovy | http://pastebin.com/m52404bf3 |
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| 17:27.25 | subx | if i wanted to remove gnome and all gnome-applications would i have to remove each one individually? ie. open office etc |
| 17:27.40 | stew | subx: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
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| 17:28.39 | pickcoder | chovy: why do you have a custom repos in there? |
| 17:28.56 | pickcoder | do all your machines load packages from there too? |
| 17:29.12 | chovy | pickcoder: i don't know...but I think i need the original debian upgraded, as only our custom version was. |
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| 17:29.24 | tarzeau | i know about ethtool but it's broken |
| 17:29.26 | pickcoder | chovy: fix your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:29.34 | chovy | what do you mean "fix" ? |
| 17:29.36 | tarzeau | likewise with lshw, hwinfo, and ifconfig |
| 17:29.42 | pickcoder | get rid of the custom repos |
| 17:29.57 | pickcoder | it's taking precedence over the official mirror |
| 17:30.03 | chovy | pickcoder: i need them. Obviously. |
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| 17:30.16 | chovy | i just want to *also* upgrade from deb as well. |
| 17:31.00 | pickcoder | chovy: so put the official mirrors first |
| 17:31.00 | pickcoder | pastebin your sources.list |
| 17:31.00 | chovy | they are |
| 17:31.12 | pickcoder | I think the versioning is throwing off apt |
| 17:32.05 | chovy | pickcoder: http://pastebin.com/d2bfa0e20 |
| 17:32.26 | stew | chovy: so you are currently running 3.55-1MyCompany2, but you want remove this one and replace it with 3.55-1 from debian etch? |
| 17:32.33 | nami1 | can i extract an iso to format that netboot will work? |
| 17:32.45 | chovy | i think apt is not installing the official version infavor of ours...for one reason or another I need the official one upgraded. |
| 17:33.05 | jelly | tarzeau: curl? wget forever! |
| 17:33.07 | chovy | stew: i want them installed simultaneously. They are phsyically located in different places. |
| 17:33.20 | chovy | i tried "perl -MCPAN shell" and got an error |
| 17:33.35 | tarzeau | jelly: did you read and understand the command? can wget do timeout without the package timeout? |
| 17:33.36 | stew | chovy: then you have to install one from source. debian has no facility for having two versions of the same package installed at the same time |
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| 17:33.54 | chovy | # perl -MCPAN shell |
| 17:33.54 | chovy | Can't open perl script "shell": No such file or directory |
| 17:33.56 | DawnLight | is making debian packages a lot of work? |
| 17:34.01 | tarzeau | DawnLight: no |
| 17:34.05 | tarzeau | DawnLight: depends on the source package |
| 17:34.09 | tarzeau | DawnLight: type of software |
| 17:34.17 | chovy | nm, -e shell |
| 17:34.27 | jelly | tarzeau: hmm... package timeout? |
| 17:34.33 | chovy | DawnLight: define "a lot of work" |
| 17:34.36 | DawnLight | tarzeau: http://keytouch.sourceforge.net |
| 17:34.38 | pickcoder | chovy: the packages need to have different names |
| 17:34.41 | tarzeau | jelly: apt-cache show timeout :) |
| 17:34.43 | pickcoder | using CPAN won't help you here |
| 17:34.54 | DawnLight | i mean, once i know the drill, is it a lot of work? |
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| 17:35.23 | tarzeau | DawnLight: there's ubuntu packages, take their source package and see if it's improvable, if not make one from scratch |
| 17:35.25 | jelly | tarzeau: --{dns,connect,read}-timeout ... probably connect or read |
| 17:35.27 | chovy | pickcoder: why not? it is installing. |
| 17:35.32 | tarzeau | DawnLight: no, it's easy once you know the drill |
| 17:35.34 | Coweater` | tell me |
| 17:35.37 | tarzeau | DawnLight: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 17:35.47 | pickcoder | chovy: your next upgrade will probably dump new pm files into the default locations |
| 17:35.58 | tarzeau | jelly: but did you try it? |
| 17:36.02 | tarzeau | jelly: i'm not sure it's the same :) |
| 17:36.07 | jelly | tarzeau: of course not :-) |
| 17:36.12 | pickcoder | since you have 2 repos with the same packages, it's going to put your MyCompany version on your box |
| 17:36.39 | jelly | tarzeau: what kind of flame would it be if I actually tested my argument in practice! |
| 17:36.45 | chovy | that makes sense...but some else here upgraded and got the latest version |
| 17:36.53 | tarzeau | jelly: i would consider using wget :) |
| 17:37.01 | tarzeau | jelly: the mac os x have curl by default, no wget :) |
| 17:37.08 | jelly | ah |
| 17:37.09 | pickcoder | chovy: if you want a custom package version, then you will have to manually keep up with the source tree and update your own libhtml-parser-perl package |
| 17:37.16 | jelly | tarzeau: funny guys |
| 17:37.20 | pickcoder | which means no updates for any other packages |
| 17:37.29 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 17:37.31 | pickcoder | unless you filter them all through your own repos |
| 17:37.36 | chovy | pickcoder: how come cpan install won't upgrade /usr/lib/perl5/HTML/Entities ? |
| 17:38.28 | pickcoder | chovy: it probably will, but your next apt upgrade that has updates to libhtml-parser-perl will overwrite that version |
| 17:38.37 | pickcoder | so you have a couple of options |
| 17:38.46 | pickcoder | stop using apt to upgrade software and rely on CPAN |
| 17:38.50 | chovy | pickcoder: but our version is placed in /mycompany/lib |
| 17:39.06 | pickcoder | chovy: you can only have one module for Perl |
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| 17:39.17 | pickcoder | which one does it load? |
| 17:39.21 | pickcoder | or are you loading it manually? |
| 17:39.27 | chovy | depends on which machine i'm on i think. |
| 17:39.32 | pickcoder | geez |
| 17:39.52 | chovy | how do i tell which version it is loading? |
| 17:39.57 | pickcoder | I dunno |
| 17:40.53 | chovy | pickcoder: well -- thanks for your help. |
| 17:41.57 | jelly | tarzeau: bah, wget has nothing like --max-time :-| |
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| 17:42.33 | tzanger | afternoon -- how does one ask apt/dpkg what package provides a given program? |
| 17:42.37 | tzanger | I'm trying to find aclocal |
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| 17:42.57 | wols_ | !tell tzanger about search |
| 17:43.04 | tarzeau | jelly: see :) |
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| 17:43.18 | tarzeau | jelly: the above command has quite some tricks stuffed in :) |
| 17:43.43 | tzanger | wols_: I know about apt-cache, but I don't want to search the description, I am trying to figure out what package provides a given file |
| 17:43.46 | tzfardea | Hey, Where can I get good sources.list file for testing? I tried and searched but I didn't find something fast and working |
| 17:44.13 | jelly | tarzeau: I wondered about /3 for a bit |
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| 17:44.39 | tarzeau | jelly: ah 3 seconds :) |
| 17:44.48 | tarzeau | tzfardea: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
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| 17:45.22 | tarzeau | jelly: the NF-6 trick is because curl on etch is different on sarge |
| 17:45.39 | tzfardea | tarzeau, thanks |
| 17:46.16 | jelly | tarzeau: if your dns resolver is sluggish, you might spend a lot of time waiting to resolve, and not get the correct bandwidth ;-) |
| 17:46.33 | jelly | tarzeau: anyway, it's nice for a oneliner |
| 17:47.01 | tarzeau | jelly: curl doesn't count that time, does it? |
| 17:47.13 | Seb | how can I convert a file from utf8 to utf16 ? Something command-line please |
| 17:47.24 | tarzeau | jelly: our dns is not in my hands, but i could fiddle with resolv.conf :) |
| 17:47.28 | tarzeau | Seb: recode |
| 17:47.50 | Seb | tarzeau: aaah, yes, that's the one. Thanks. |
| 17:48.25 | tarzeau | jelly: we've got 25 gbit networked workstations and 125 100mbit ones :) |
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| 17:48.46 | jelly | tarzeau: and ssh access to all of 'em! :-) |
| 17:48.56 | tarzeau | jelly: of course, worldwide. and gbit internet |
| 17:49.39 | tarzeau | jelly: i'm writing up this here, so the network measuring and hardware management will be part of above (other way around) http://wiki.debian.org/Enterprise |
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| 17:50.30 | jelly | tarzeau: man says "Maximum time in seconds that you allow the whole operation to take." ... that sounds to me like the whole runtime of the app... but I won't look at the source to find out |
| 17:50.48 | tarzeau | jelly: hehe ok, i'll just test it with the ip address instead :) |
| 17:50.49 | Rod | hey guys... How to auto-regenarate my /etc/network/network file? |
| 17:51.00 | tarzeau | Rod: interfaces? |
| 17:51.15 | Rod | you're right tarzeau |
| 17:51.26 | tarzeau | Rod: with an editor? man 5 interfaces is handy |
| 17:51.34 | Rod | dpkg-reconfigure network-manager isnt the one :) |
| 17:51.58 | Rod | what does that 5 do/ |
| 17:52.17 | tarzeau | pick the manual page from section 5 |
| 17:52.18 | pickcoder | man man and find out |
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| 17:52.22 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 17:52.34 | tzfardea | Hey, I don't have the packages nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx in my sources, how can I add them? |
| 17:52.34 | tarzeau | pickcoder: sorry for the spoiler |
| 17:52.40 | Rod | lol picorder... wil do |
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| 17:54.25 | wols_ | tzanger: you need to read ALL of it. and understand it |
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| 17:55.08 | jelly | Rod: like /msg dpkg interfaces says, there are examples (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz) |
| 17:55.59 | tzanger | wols_: aha, apt-file |
| 17:56.01 | tzanger | my mistake, thank you |
| 17:56.15 | Rod | awesome, tx jelly1! |
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| 17:57.37 | sam123 | Is it true that Debian is the most secure, stable and open distribution of them all? |
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| 17:58.01 | Q8 | sam123: depends on your personal preferences |
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| 17:58.16 | sam123 | Q8 in comparison to Ubuntu is it more or less stable and secure? |
| 17:58.33 | Q8 | sam123: depends again on your personal preferences |
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| 17:59.02 | stew | sam123: there is probably little difference if you are sticking to stable releases of both. debian is more open |
| 17:59.13 | sam123 | Q8 Why does Debian have a release cycle of 18 months and ubuntus is 6 months? |
| 17:59.27 | stew | sam123: debian doesn't have a 18 month release cycle |
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| 17:59.45 | sam123 | stew how long is the release cycle then? |
| 17:59.47 | Q8 | sam123: you see - with your kind of questions you only get doubful feedback like the one from steve |
| 17:59.53 | Q8 | steve/stew |
| 18:00.01 | stew | sam123: debian decides on a set of goals for a release and releases them when ever they are ready. |
| 18:00.17 | stew | sam123: (whenever they are ready, and there are no known 'release critical' bugs) |
| 18:00.47 | Q8 | sam123: ignore that babbling. come up with criteria that allows clear statements |
| 18:00.53 | stew | Q8: what does "doubful" mean? |
| 18:02.08 | sam123 | Do the stable versions of debian only get bug fixes as updates? |
| 18:02.27 | Q8 | sam123: no features are added to the stable release |
| 18:02.31 | stew | sam123: yes, and generally only security bugs, or bugs so major that they make a package unusable |
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| 18:03.32 | sam123 | is lenny going to be version 4.5 or 4.0? |
| 18:03.38 | Q8 | nobody knows |
| 18:03.47 | Q8 | 4.0 is etch |
| 18:04.06 | stew | sam123: not 4.0, etch is 4.0, the release managers will decide what version lenny will get a few months before the release |
| 18:04.15 | sam123 | so 40r0-rc1-i386-gnome-CD.iso is an etch version? |
| 18:04.25 | unlink | how do you see how much dirty memory a process is using? |
| 18:04.27 | stew | sam123: yes, an outdated, unreleased one |
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| 18:05.07 | chovy | :1 |
| 18:05.07 | Q8 | stew: every line of you contains nonesense |
| 18:05.12 | sam123 | stew yet the only live cd one i could find :( |
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| 18:05.14 | chops | unlink: cat /proc/xxxx/smaps |
| 18:05.23 | stew | Q8: what? if you think i've misspoken, please correct me |
| 18:05.46 | RobNyc-work | sam123: where do you see those iso .. ? |
| 18:05.54 | RobNyc-work | im trying to find the testing or sid . iso myself :) |
| 18:06.14 | sam123 | http://live.debian.net/cdimage/ |
| 18:06.23 | sam123 | RobNyc-work me too |
| 18:06.37 | sam123 | i want to see how well Debian supports my hardware |
| 18:06.48 | sam123 | thats whats holding me back from installing debian atm |
| 18:06.55 | RobNyc-work | ty for the link |
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| 18:07.32 | Q8 | this channel slowly reaches #ubuntu quality |
| 18:07.49 | stew | Q8: what have I said that is nonsense. earlier you referred to my responses as "doubful feedback", can you tell me what that means? |
| 18:07.54 | chops | !start a distro war |
| 18:07.54 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 18:08.27 | Q8 | "40r0-rc1-i386-gnome-CD.iso is an outdated, unreleased one" |
| 18:08.32 | Q8 | thats nonesense |
| 18:08.35 | DawnLight | ubuntu is for getting people to know debian |
| 18:08.39 | Q8 | like other stuff you said |
| 18:08.43 | chops | Q8: That statement is 100% correct. |
| 18:08.54 | sam-brb | Ubuntu is for people who like being hacked. |
| 18:09.00 | chops | Q8: The "RC1" indicates a release candidate, not a proper release. |
| 18:09.04 | DawnLight | thats how i got to know debian |
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| 18:09.16 | DawnLight | started with ubuntu, moved to debian |
| 18:09.22 | stew | Q8: rc is a release candidate. can you show me where i can find that iso from an official debian source? |
| 18:09.26 | Q8 | chops: and a release candidate is never released. i see. thank god that people like you are around on IRc |
| 18:09.49 | stew | Q8: what else do you think is nonsense? |
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| 18:10.07 | Q8 | stew: go and hug with chops. you two idiots seem to think alike |
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| 18:10.20 | unlink | chops: thanks |
| 18:10.20 | stew | Q8: i'm not going to tollerate name-calling on this channel |
| 18:10.35 | stew | Q8: you've been silenced for 10 minutes, please keep it more constructive in the future |
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| 18:11.14 | chops | Q8: Since Debian's development process is open, the term "release" is easy to misunderstand -- "release" refers to the process of branding a particular version as ready for public use. It doesn't refer to "releasing to the public." Everything is released to the public, including release candidates, but only stable releases are referred to as "released." |
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| 18:12.25 | sam123 | Is there any chance of a corrupt repository maintainer uploading software that will allow my machine to be hacked? |
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| 18:12.39 | RobNyc-work | sam123: are those livecd installable ? |
| 18:12.42 | h3sp4wn | sam123: running stable ? |
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| 18:12.54 | sam123 | h3sp4wn yes stable |
| 18:13.03 | h3sp4wn | sam123: no |
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| 18:13.16 | sam123 | RobNyc-work installable to the hdd you mean? |
| 18:13.25 | Nyle | are you saying that a repository guy is corrupt and uploading bad software? |
| 18:13.26 | chops | sam123: It's possible. If you're using official Debian repositories I would consider it unlikely. |
| 18:13.27 | Nyle | what? |
| 18:13.32 | RobNyc-work | sam123: yep |
| 18:13.44 | sam123 | RobNyc-work last time i checked they werent |
| 18:14.07 | h3sp4wn | sam123: Only security fixes for stable (if you don't trust the security team then use another distro) |
| 18:14.08 | piztek | what program can i use to convert movies to burnable and playable files to put onto a dvd |
| 18:14.13 | sam123 | Nyle no im not. |
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| 18:14.31 | RobNyc-work | thanks sam123 |
| 18:14.51 | sam123 | h3sp4wn i trust the debian repositories more than i trust any other repositories thats one of the reasons why i want to use debian. |
| 18:14.55 | tarzeau | can't i have dual+ head support in textmode? |
| 18:14.57 | vin` | !greetings |
| 18:14.57 | dpkg | hello, vin` |
| 18:15.09 | vin` | tarzeau: :* |
| 18:15.22 | wols_ | tarzeau: you can. you run X in xinerama and open a really BIG xterm |
| 18:15.26 | wols_ | HAND |
| 18:15.46 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: matrox can I believe |
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| 18:16.00 | unlink | if i pull the plug on a computer which a TCP connection is open with, how long will it take for that connection to time out? |
| 18:16.22 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: any vga card should be able to |
| 18:16.34 | vin` | stew: out of all the nicks I've seen here the last 2-3 years, you make the best op |
| 18:16.38 | tarzeau | wols_: textmode is addressed different than graphics mode |
| 18:16.42 | tarzeau | wols_: i really mean textmode |
| 18:16.49 | norc | how do I handle filesystem loops? |
| 18:16.54 | tarzeau | wols_: as in with cacalib/aalib hacks |
| 18:17.00 | vin` | whoever chose you has good taste :) |
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| 18:19.10 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: don't know of any others that have an "enable multihead support" option in the kernel config |
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| 18:20.12 | sam123 | if i have a rewritable dvd in one drive and boot a netinst dvd on another drive can i install debian onto a dvd? |
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| 18:20.28 | wols_ | sam123: no |
| 18:20.36 | wols_ | sam123: possibly on a DVD RAM tho |
| 18:20.42 | norc | No ideas on handling filesystem loops? |
| 18:20.53 | wols_ | norc: what does fsck say/do? |
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| 18:21.15 | norc | wols_: you mean xfs_check? |
| 18:21.22 | wols_ | I mean fsck |
| 18:21.28 | sam123 | wols_ do you know where i could download an unstable lenny live dvd/cd? |
| 18:21.36 | norc | If you wish to check the consistency of an XFS filesystem or |
| 18:21.36 | norc | repair a damaged filesystem, see xfs_check(8) and xfs_repair(8). |
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| 18:21.39 | norc | ^-- wols_ |
| 18:21.41 | wols_ | sam123: no |
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| 18:22.52 | Mathman | could someone recommend some software that would create a map of my network? or perhaps something like traceroute but to show me which switches the packets are going through? |
| 18:23.41 | chops | Mathman: I believe that detecting switches on a network is fairly difficult. Detecting routers is a little easier. |
| 18:24.19 | sam123 | !package info |
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| 18:24.34 | Mathman | well, let me put it this way. I want to locate a machine, some guy that's running p2p apps on my network. aside from searching room to room, any ideas? |
| 18:24.43 | Azar | inactive debian accounts to be closed.. |
| 18:25.01 | Cromag | wireshark |
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| 18:26.26 | sam123 | how many packages are in the stable official repositories? |
| 18:26.35 | Mathman | Cromag: well I was running wireshark a bit trying to see if it could help, but I didn't really see any options that seemed to be of use. can you be more specific? |
| 18:27.17 | Cromag | Mathman: you need the ip that is running on the p2p, you can determine that from wireshark i believe.. |
| 18:27.22 | h3sp4wn | !dstats etch |
| 18:27.26 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18601 packages, 1728 maintainers, 41697 MB installed size, 13733 MB compressed size. |
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| 18:27.41 | sam123 | !dstats lenny |
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| 18:27.50 | ricky | Cool- I've actually been wondering about an exact package count. |
| 18:27.58 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 19829 packages, 1807 maintainers, 45644 MB installed size, 15473 MB compressed size. |
| 18:28.00 | Cromag | Mathman: after that, simply traceroute and as you are the admin of the network you will know wich switch the ip is routed throug. |
| 18:28.02 | Mathman | Cromag: well no, I have the ip. ntop is on my firewall. I'm just not sure how to turn that into a location |
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| 18:28.32 | Cromag | block the ip and the problem will come to you. |
| 18:28.41 | Mathman | traceroute? there's no hops. it just goes right to the machine. |
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| 18:29.15 | Cromag | block p2p ports then. |
| 18:29.54 | Cromag | you can't turn an ip into a location unless you knew it from the beginning. |
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| 18:30.14 | chops | Mathman: You can pingflood the offending IP while looking at the switch, and see which port lights up solid when you start the pingflood and stops when you stop. |
| 18:30.46 | Cromag | ye |
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| 18:30.51 | Cromag | sounds like an idea. |
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| 18:31.21 | norc | thanks wols_ |
| 18:31.26 | norc | xfs_repair fixed it |
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| 18:31.55 | norc | Which leads to my next problem, somehow I can't find certain packages like nvidia-glx although I have added contrib and non-free to my deb sources |
| 18:32.12 | Cromag | and updated ? |
| 18:32.31 | claudio` | How can i limit the bandwidth without using Squid? |
| 18:32.45 | claudio` | I would like to learn a new cool tool. |
| 18:32.59 | norc | Cromag: Yes |
| 18:33.56 | abli | Hi! I have a desktop computer with debian on it, and a laptop with ubuntu. I want to connect them with this new-fangled avahi-network-autoconfiguration magic. What do I need on the desktop machine to do that? some sort of avahi server perhaps? And what do I need to do to share desktop's internet connection to laptop? |
| 18:34.18 | norc | Oh.. Cromag |
| 18:34.20 | norc | i just noticed |
| 18:34.26 | tralala | what's a minimalistic X terminal? |
| 18:34.28 | norc | it became unstable |
| 18:34.34 | norc | tralala: rxvt |
| 18:34.39 | tralala | something to couple well with evilwm |
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| 18:34.53 | h3sp4wn | tralala: xvt |
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| 18:35.27 | shurbann | hi Debian.. |
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| 18:35.45 | Cromag | !shorewall |
| 18:35.46 | dpkg | The Shoreline Firewall, more commonly known as "Shorewall", is a Netfilter (iptables) based firewall that can be used on a dedicated firewall system, a multi-function gateway/router/server or on a standalone GNU/Linux system. See http://www.shorewall.net/ |
| 18:35.53 | shurbann | I I have a SATA300 TX4 Promise card. How can I install it (the drivers)? |
| 18:36.06 | norc | no wait Cromag |
| 18:36.14 | Cromag | claudio`: you might check shorewall. |
| 18:36.15 | norc | It's still in testing, but why can't I install it |
| 18:36.27 | tralala | norc, h3sp4wn, thank you |
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| 18:36.45 | Cromag | norc: your repos are testing and you updated and when you go apt-cache search <app> it comes with a result ? |
| 18:36.55 | claudio` | Cromag: i'm reading about tc(8) which is already installed on the base system. |
| 18:37.03 | Cromag | claudio`: ok. |
| 18:37.08 | claudio` | Cromag: i'll take a look to shorewall too. THX |
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| 18:37.12 | norc | Cromag: With most stuff it does, but not for nvidia-glx.. |
| 18:37.13 | L0cKn | hi claudio` :) |
| 18:37.15 | claudio` | hey L0cKn |
| 18:37.17 | norc | or nvidia-kernel-source for that matter |
| 18:37.17 | fungo | tc is so complicated |
| 18:37.18 | fungo | :(((( |
| 18:37.27 | L0cKn | hello all :D |
| 18:37.34 | fungo | hello :D |
| 18:37.35 | L0cKn | how are you? :> |
| 18:37.47 | fungo | i'm fine, thank you, and you? |
| 18:37.56 | claudio` | L0cKn: a bit tired :\ |
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| 18:38.06 | Cromag | the package is in unstable, nonfree, but, thats what you are using right ? |
| 18:38.11 | rahul | fungo: women are complicated |
| 18:38.18 | fungo | this looks like my english classes |
| 18:38.20 | L0cKn | filipe_: fine too, thnx :) |
| 18:38.21 | claudio` | brb |
| 18:38.23 | L0cKn | claudio`: :// |
| 18:38.31 | L0cKn | claudio`: much "stress" :D |
| 18:38.32 | fungo | rahul yeah, like wine |
| 18:38.41 | L0cKn | fungo: :DD |
| 18:38.44 | Cromag | norc: what is the error ? |
| 18:38.50 | Cromag | norc: if any |
| 18:38.58 | norc | Cromag: its like its not in the repositories |
| 18:39.13 | Cromag | and you are sure you updated ? |
| 18:39.16 | norc | positive. |
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| 18:39.27 | Cromag | and apt-cache search nvidia-glx |
| 18:39.37 | Cromag | what kind of results is that giing ? |
| 18:39.40 | norc | Cromag: nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-2.6.18-4-686 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18-4-686 (legacy version) |
| 18:39.43 | norc | only that |
| 18:39.50 | norc | but tahts not what I need or want |
| 18:40.07 | Cromag | ehm |
| 18:40.10 | norc | Cromag: http://packages.debian.org/testing/x11/nvidia-glx < thats what I want |
| 18:40.20 | Cromag | yeah, ehm hmm.. |
| 18:40.24 | norc | (and need) |
| 18:40.50 | hark | !+info nvidia-glx lenny |
| 18:40.52 | dpkg | Package 'nvidia-glx' does not exist. |
| 18:41.07 | Cromag | and have you checked for markouts in the repos ? |
| 18:41.24 | norc | hark: I refuse to believe, that the package has been removed yesterday. |
| 18:42.14 | Cromag | i just updated and it is still there.. |
| 18:42.26 | Cromag | nvidia-glx - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver |
| 18:42.44 | hark | well, believe it :) |
| 18:42.51 | norc | Cromag: not for me. |
| 18:42.59 | norc | hark: Then explain to me why Cromag can find it. |
| 18:43.04 | Cromag | norc: for the fun of it... you are running lenny ? |
| 18:43.06 | hark | http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/news/20070710T223919Z.html |
| 18:43.07 | norc | Cromag: what is your source? |
| 18:43.15 | norc | Cromag: Yes, I just made a fresh install |
| 18:43.19 | Cromag | oh. |
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| 18:43.34 | Cromag | i didn't know that. |
| 18:43.50 | hark | !why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
| 18:43.50 | dpkg | nvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
| 18:43.51 | norc | hark: that posting is only referring to the source packages |
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| 18:44.13 | norc | oh.. |
| 18:44.18 | Cromag | but... |
| 18:44.20 | Cromag | unstable. |
| 18:44.26 | norc | hark: I'm sorry.. |
| 18:44.27 | norc | Cromag: You are? |
| 18:44.30 | Cromag | backports |
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| 18:44.47 | Cromag | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 18:45.18 | norc | Cromag: this is weird.. the new lenny version offers me the 2.6.21 |
| 18:45.20 | x_link | Hi |
| 18:45.27 | x_link | Isn't 2.6.18-4-k7 supposed to be in Debian Etch? |
| 18:45.34 | Cromag | i'm not runining lenny. |
| 18:45.37 | norc | sid? |
| 18:46.10 | x_link | norc: It did for me as well. |
| 18:46.22 | x_link | I just intalled Debian Etch, but in sources.list it says lenny, isn't that strange? |
| 18:46.32 | hark | x_link: it is |
| 18:46.36 | ricky | Weird. |
| 18:46.41 | x_link | hark: Thought so. |
| 18:46.52 | x_link | deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 18:46.53 | x_link | deb-src http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 18:47.00 | hark | x_link: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 18:47.09 | ricky | cat /etc/debian_version? |
| 18:47.13 | x_link | cat /etc/debian_version says lenny/sid. |
| 18:47.15 | x_link | This is really strange. |
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| 18:47.34 | Cromag | i am running lenny afterall. |
| 18:47.39 | Cromag | pretty weird. |
| 18:47.43 | x_link | Hrmm |
| 18:47.44 | chops | x_link: I suspect that you may not have just installed Debian Etch... |
| 18:47.45 | Cromag | well, my bad. |
| 18:47.48 | hark | x_link: yeah, you might have got the lenny installer ir something |
| 18:48.01 | x_link | This CD is the "old" testing version. |
| 18:48.05 | x_link | Maybe that's why it's liket his. |
| 18:48.06 | x_link | this. |
| 18:48.15 | x_link | Cause I'm not able to install 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 18:48.17 | x_link | Which I really want |
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| 18:48.30 | hark | yes, that's it |
| 18:48.40 | x_link | DAMN IT |
| 18:48.46 | x_link | So I have re-installed for nothing. |
| 18:49.03 | x_link | hark: Do you know any kernel I can use? |
| 18:49.08 | chops | x_link: If you're okay with having a testing system, you may be able to switch to the etch repositories and install an etch kernel |
| 18:49.26 | chops | x_link: I'm not sure if lenny has migrated far enough forward that etch kernel are uninstallable on it yet |
| 18:49.30 | chops | *kernels |
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| 18:51.13 | leming | x_link, just download the kernel source, compile it yourself or make a deb package.. then you'll have the most recent |
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| 18:55.03 | RichiH | modutils is deprecated? |
| 18:55.12 | docta_v | i have a networking question... would really appreciate it if someone could help me |
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| 18:55.21 | RichiH | pretty much every upgrade in sid wants to remove it |
| 18:55.30 | docta_v | basically i have this new ISP where my default gw is on a different network than my assigned IP space |
| 18:55.38 | docta_v | i'm having a lot of problems with "NETWORK IS UNREACHABLE" errors |
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| 18:56.03 | docta_v | if i manually add in the network of the default gw, outbound connections will work but i'll still get the unreachable error for inbound stuff |
| 18:56.25 | streuner | RichiH: there is only a 2.6.18 kernel in etch... |
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| 18:56.45 | leming | RichiH, module-init-tools is for 2.6 |
| 18:56.48 | hark | RichiH: yes |
| 18:56.53 | chops | docta_v: You can have a gw outside your assigned IP space, but it must be inside your netmask. |
| 18:56.59 | RichiH | aye, thanks |
| 18:57.11 | chops | docta_v: Your netmask should be set to the actual netmask, not just the IPs that are usable to you. |
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| 18:57.23 | hark | x_link: you should be able to install the etch kernel if you really want to |
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| 18:57.47 | docta_v | chops: so the default gw and the IP block are on different class As |
| 18:58.27 | docta_v | and the IP info they gave me proides a subnet mask for the network that the gw is on and the network that my IPs are on |
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| 18:58.44 | docta_v | the gw is .252 (/30) and mine is .240 (/28) |
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| 18:59.18 | docta_v | so what i did was to add both networks with route add -net ... |
| 18:59.30 | docta_v | then it will let me add the default gw and outbound traffic will work |
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| 18:59.50 | jelly | docta_v: .252 sounds like (end of) a netmask, not a gateway |
| 19:00.15 | chops | Don't fool around with route, just set up the correct interface description(s) in /etc/network/interfaces and use ifup |
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| 19:01.12 | docta_v | jelly: yea that's the netmask for the network that the gw is on |
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| 19:01.49 | jelly | that makes little sense |
| 19:02.20 | chops | docta_v: You can define an aliased interface to use to talk to the gateway... but really if the gateway and your network are on different class As, that's not TCP/IP. It's just a big pile of poop with hardware hooked up to it. |
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| 19:05.22 | snirks-2 | is #samba on this irc-server? |
| 19:05.58 | bronz1 | When installing debian from binary cd1, netinstall enabled, the install stops when installing grub. This is after installing base system and desktop environment! |
| 19:06.02 | karsten | snorks: /msg chanserv list *samba* |
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| 19:07.02 | snorks | bronz1: i might be way off here, but can BIOS block writing to MBR? |
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| 19:07.31 | snorks | but file I/O is usually handled by software |
| 19:07.37 | snorks | so i doubt it. but maybe |
| 19:07.37 | karsten | bronz1: I don't think so. It might be able to allow/deny the entire drive. |
| 19:08.00 | Nyle | when will they get rid ipv4 |
| 19:08.06 | snorks | karsten: thats a scandinavian name you got there? |
| 19:08.11 | Nyle | ]this nat crap pisses me off |
| 19:08.15 | karsten | snorks: Nope. American. |
| 19:08.22 | snorks | ok, very norwegian too |
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| 19:08.34 | bronz1 | snorks: GRUB has been installed many times before with Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Debian base system. |
| 19:08.53 | chops | Nyle: Sometime after the last qwerty keyboard gives way to the vastly superior "dworkin" layout |
| 19:08.58 | bronz1 | snorks: are you scandinavian? |
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| 19:09.02 | snorks | bronz1: yes |
| 19:09.19 | bronz1 | norway here... |
| 19:09.21 | snorks | bronz1: dunno.. you could rule out a faulty iso with MD5 checksum. but i doubt its that |
| 19:09.24 | snorks | im from norway too |
| 19:10.07 | snorks | if you hit alt+f4 during installation i think that's a shell for messages log |
| 19:10.16 | snorks | its a log for something at least |
| 19:10.19 | Absolute0 | i installed php5 how do i start the server? |
| 19:10.31 | bronz1 | I've done that. Lemme go check what it says. |
| 19:10.32 | snorks | maybe /etc/init.d/php start |
| 19:11.00 | Nyle | what! |
| 19:11.07 | snorks | or phpd |
| 19:11.07 | Nyle | i don't want to learn another keyaourd layout |
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| 19:12.03 | snorks | Absolute0: tell us how it went |
| 19:12.17 | aadil | Absolute0, u mean start apache? |
| 19:12.27 | Absolute0 | snorks: i just figured out php is not a server :-P |
| 19:12.31 | aadil | heh |
| 19:12.35 | snorks | apache restart then maybe |
| 19:12.40 | aadil | :3 |
| 19:12.45 | snorks | or maybe there's a script called lamp |
| 19:12.47 | bronz1 | snorks: "Følgende pakker vil bli installert" (neste linje) "grub" ... Translated: "The following packages will be installed" (next line) "grub". |
| 19:13.18 | Absolute0 | i think i need to enable php on apache server |
| 19:13.39 | snorks | bronz1: weird |
| 19:13.50 | snorks | bronz1: not the log, but that you cant install grub |
| 19:14.17 | snorks | bronz1: is it a dedicated computer you're using? or virtual pc of some sort? |
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| 19:14.25 | aadil | Absolute0, when u compile php il automatically makes an entry in apache's config |
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| 19:14.37 | aadil | provided u specify apache's path |
| 19:14.41 | aadil | during php compile time |
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| 19:14.49 | aadil | before* |
| 19:15.13 | bronz1 | snorks: ordinary desktop, not VMWare or similar (not virtual). |
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| 19:16.02 | bronz1 | The only cause I can think of is scratches in the CD, but I doubt it.... |
| 19:16.10 | bronz1 | don't have any more CD's either. |
| 19:16.14 | Nyle | I've totally fucking had it with this shit man |
| 19:16.15 | Nyle | goddamn it |
| 19:16.34 | Nyle | vin`: vmware is superior |
| 19:16.51 | snorks | virtualbox is... please |
| 19:16.58 | fungo | vmware is closed source |
| 19:17.14 | vin` | Nyle: look at it this way, buddha pulled his hair out too |
| 19:17.14 | Nyle | vin`: virtualbox is for impoverished people |
| 19:17.24 | fungo | people like things that don't give you source code, you know |
| 19:17.36 | Nyle | people who need a professional solution go with vmware |
| 19:17.56 | snorks | the future is virtual |
| 19:18.01 | Nyle | people who need to jerk off a home to virtual machines, to them it doesn't matter really |
| 19:18.16 | Nyle | vmware is a damn good product, and i could care less if it is closed source or not |
| 19:18.38 | Nyle | If I needed its func. I'd buy it |
| 19:18.45 | Nyle | I used vmware player and virtual box myself |
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| 19:18.58 | vin` | and vbox worked better here |
| 19:19.21 | bronz1 | snorks: If you use debian and ftp.no.debian.org , can you check if you are able to download grub from there (if this is possible without screwing things up for ya). |
| 19:19.26 | vin` | all I wanted that crap is for scratch for my kid |
| 19:20.29 | snorks | apt-get pretend install i guess. sec |
| 19:20.44 | vin` | !ept-cache |
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| 19:21.18 | vin` | what's the verdict on ept-cache so far? |
| 19:23.05 | x_link | hark: Hi again, sorry. My mother called on my cellphone, had to take it. |
| 19:23.34 | x_link | hark: If I run sudo aptitude dist-upgrade now then I will get 2.6.21-2-k7, and I don't want that kernel. It has messed up so many things for me. |
| 19:23.43 | x_link | I want a good kernel for my AMD Athlon 64 x2 3800+ processor. |
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| 19:23.51 | x_link | 2.6.18-4-k7 worked REALLY good for me. |
| 19:24.00 | stew | x_link: put it on hold then, /msg dpkg hold |
| 19:24.02 | snorks | bronz1: i don't find a way to simulate install. im sure there used to be a "pretend" option |
| 19:24.28 | aadil | x_link, why dont u compile one then? |
| 19:24.28 | x_link | stew: it doesn't matter, I can do aptitude purge 2.6.21-2-k7 later. But I need a good kernel to use now. |
| 19:24.37 | x_link | aadil: Cause I really suck.. |
| 19:24.40 | aadil | i sucked too |
| 19:24.42 | x_link | aadil: Like you notice =) |
| 19:24.43 | aadil | now look at me |
| 19:24.50 | stew | x_link: i thought 2.6.18-4-k7 was a good kernel for you |
| 19:24.51 | aadil | i got a suit, am awesome |
| 19:24.55 | stew | snorks: -s |
| 19:24.56 | aadil | and all the chicks love it |
| 19:24.57 | aadil | :D |
| 19:25.02 | x_link | aadil: You're a WHOLE lot better than me. |
| 19:25.10 | aadil | so SUIT UP! |
| 19:25.15 | x_link | stew: Yeah, it was. worked so damn good. |
| 19:25.20 | aadil | compiling ur first kernel is gonna be legendary! |
| 19:25.22 | aadil | :3 |
| 19:25.24 | x_link | stew: But now I can't use it anymore. |
| 19:25.28 | stew | x_link: why not? |
| 19:25.28 | x_link | aadil: hehe |
| 19:25.35 | x_link | stew: Cause I'm on Testing. |
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| 19:25.48 | stew | x_link: why can't you use 2.6.18-4-k7 on testing? |
| 19:25.51 | wols_ | !tell x_link about hold back |
| 19:25.53 | x_link | I have just re-installed Testing. There is no 2.6.18-4-k7 for Testing. |
| 19:25.57 | aadil | x_link, u need only lspci and dmesg |
| 19:26.01 | stew | x_link: install it from stable |
| 19:26.01 | wols_ | !tell x_link about hold |
| 19:26.03 | aadil | then u just select the options |
| 19:26.08 | aadil | and use the help for info |
| 19:26.10 | aadil | then compile |
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| 19:26.16 | aadil | Just do it |
| 19:26.17 | aadil | :d |
| 19:26.23 | snorks | stew: thanks |
| 19:26.43 | snorks | bronz1: i alreayd have the latest debian package, won't simulate an install. but i think you should download a new iso and burn it |
| 19:26.49 | x_link | stew: That's what I want to do, but I can't figure out how. |
| 19:27.28 | BudgetDedicated | hmm debootstrap in etch does not seem to have a script for testing (lenny) does anyone know where to get it? |
| 19:27.35 | stew | x_link: you can either add an additional source to sources.list for stable, and aptitude install it, or you can download it from http://packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6.18-4-l7 and install it with dpkg -i |
| 19:27.56 | stew | BudgetDedicated: from testing http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap |
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| 19:28.27 | x_link | stew: So I should just add etch to my sources.list --> sudo aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 --> then remove the etch repo? |
| 19:28.56 | stew | x_link: sure, or leave the etch repo in there |
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| 19:29.29 | stew | x_link: its not going to install anything from etch unless it doesn't exist on testing (since testing will have newer veersions, and by default, apt always goes for the latest version) |
| 19:29.52 | x_link | stew: Ohh okej. |
| 19:29.57 | x_link | stew: Man... thanks ALOT! |
| 19:30.01 | Ranpha1 | I have a fileserver i appraoch this with sshfs but for some reason i can't delete files i don't have acces. i did chmod but nothing. what do i do wrong. BTW it only happens on this fileserver other server have no problem |
| 19:30.04 | x_link | stew: I really appreicate it alot! |
| 19:30.23 | x_link | stew: But what do YOU think is best, download form the url and dpkg -i or the "repo-way" ? |
| 19:30.29 | aubade | !info openssh-server |
| 19:30.42 | x_link | stew: Btw. there was no file on that link |
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| 19:30.58 | dpkg | openssh-server: (secure shell server, an rshd replacement), section net, is optional. Version: 1:4.6p1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 237 kB, Installed size: 540 kB |
| 19:31.04 | stew | x_link: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fupdates%2Fmain%2Fl%2Flinux-2.6%2Flinux-image-2.6.18-4-k7_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2_i386.deb&md5sum=124d94e811d5389e64ee12a156c13a7a&arch=i386&type=security |
| 19:31.10 | stew | yikes, that was bigger than i thought, sorry |
| 19:31.20 | stew | x_link: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 19:31.20 | x_link | hehe |
| 19:31.38 | x_link | stew: So you think it's better to use the link and install it with dpkg -i? |
| 19:31.56 | Ranpha1 | aubade that's for me? |
| 19:32.05 | x_link | I will use the repo instead, I want want loose files everywhere. |
| 19:32.21 | x_link | But isn't 2.6.18-4-k7 for AMD Athlon XP? |
| 19:32.30 | x_link | A guy told me that. Cause I use AMD Athlon 64 x2 |
| 19:32.39 | stew | x_link: then you should be using security.debian.org, not a regular mirror. the kernel on the regular mirror has security vulnerabilities that the one from security.d.o fixes |
| 19:32.54 | stew | x_link: -k7 is duron, athlon and beyond |
| 19:33.01 | x_link | Ohh ok. |
| 19:33.07 | subx | what tool could i use to flash a BIOS in linux? |
| 19:33.22 | snorks | a flashlight, HAHA |
| 19:33.31 | aadil | :D |
| 19:34.21 | snorks | http://www.linuxinsight.com/how-to-flash-motherboard-bios-from-linux-no-dos-windows-no-floppy-drive.html |
| 19:34.45 | subx | thanks :D |
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| 19:35.02 | snorks | took me 1 second of using google |
| 19:35.58 | xand | what's the recommended way of moving your debian installation to a bigger harddisk? |
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| 19:36.55 | wols_ | xand: are you still at it? imho you dd it over and reinstall grub... |
| 19:37.15 | snorks | dd if=/dev/debian > /dev/hda |
| 19:37.19 | xand | but if I dd the partition size will be wrong wont it |
| 19:37.21 | snorks | dont invoke that command |
| 19:37.36 | wols_ | xand: yes, but you can resize that with gparted easily |
| 19:37.39 | xand | snorks: dont worry, it's wrong anyway |
| 19:37.42 | snorks | i know |
| 19:37.58 | wols_ | if it's ext3 or similar that is |
| 19:38.05 | xand | the problem I had was getting grub to reinstall |
| 19:38.11 | wols_ | I know |
| 19:38.19 | snorks | xand: another dude had that too |
| 19:38.20 | wols_ | and I gave you several ways to do ti |
| 19:38.37 | wols_ | xand: /msg ubotu dpkg |
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| 19:39.01 | xand | wols_: none of them worked |
| 19:39.03 | x_link | stew: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29825/ |
| 19:39.16 | x_link | stew: That's how I just made my sources.list. Is that okey? |
| 19:39.21 | Ranpha1 | i can't delete files on my openssh server using sshfs. how can i fix this? |
| 19:39.22 | wols_ | xand: pebkac |
| 19:39.32 | x_link | stew: Should I just run sudo aptitude update and then sudo aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 ? |
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| 19:39.53 | wols_ | x_link: yes |
| 19:39.55 | x_link | stew: The reason why I don't want to use 2.6.21-2-k7 is cause it doesn |
| 19:39.56 | x_link | err |
| 19:40.05 | x_link | stew: The reason why I don't want to use 2.6.21-2-k7 is cause it doesn't seem possible to install the nvidia driver on it. |
| 19:40.09 | x_link | wols_: Nice, thanks!! |
| 19:40.23 | x_link | wols_: After I installed the kernel I should remove that etch repo, right? |
| 19:40.27 | wols_ | x_link: I don't believe you. it's easily possible with m-a |
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| 19:40.31 | wols_ | x_link: no |
| 19:40.42 | wols_ | x_link: cause you want the nvidia drivers |
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| 19:40.52 | x_link | wols_: I did m-a prepare, m-a a-i nvidia-glx or something like that. |
| 19:40.57 | vin` | !karma m-a |
| 19:40.58 | dpkg | m-a has neutral karma |
| 19:41.05 | x_link | wols_: 2 persons from this channel even help me, none of them were able to fix it. |
| 19:41.08 | vin` | !m-a++ |
| 19:41.26 | wols_ | x_link: you are still wrong, sorry |
| 19:41.29 | x_link | When I want to install the driver it says something about nvidia-kernel-source or something like that. |
| 19:41.32 | x_link | wols_: Okej. |
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| 19:41.54 | x_link | wols_: Then me, JordiGH and 2 other can't install the driver on 2.6.21-2-k7 |
| 19:42.08 | x_link | wols_: Can you ssh to my machine and install it for me? =) hehe |
| 19:42.09 | x_link | Kidding. |
| 19:42.23 | wols_ | x_link: all I know is you can't install it. jordigh and the others didn't sit at your machine |
| 19:42.46 | x_link | wols_: Okej. |
| 19:42.54 | x_link | You're right. |
| 19:43.07 | x_link | It's me doing something wrong obviously. |
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| 19:43.34 | wols_ | x_link: considerin many other people can install nvidia on testing: you're right |
| 19:43.42 | x_link | Yepp. |
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| 19:44.02 | wols_ | now try and install it on the etch kernel |
| 19:44.07 | x_link | I NEVER had problems installing the nVIDIA driver on Linux before (besides the first time ever). But with this kernel I really can't. |
| 19:44.16 | x_link | wols_: I can install it on 2.6.18-4-k7. |
| 19:44.24 | x_link | wols_: Now 2.6.18-4-k7 is installed =) |
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| 19:44.32 | wols_ | x_link: let'S just hope it works with your lenny xserver |
| 19:44.53 | x_link | wols_: Okej. |
| 19:45.02 | x_link | Should I just reboot into the new kernel now wols_ ? |
| 19:45.28 | x_link | After I reboot I will remove 2.6.21-2-k7 |
| 19:45.32 | wols_ | x_link: engage your brain for a bit and think what you just asked |
| 19:46.06 | rdz | hi all. howto mount a canon powershot g5 digital camera on debian etch? |
| 19:46.12 | x_link | wols_: I just thought maybe if I should do anything with the etch repo. |
| 19:46.36 | rdz | i mean: is it possible to mount it as a drive (e.g. /dev/sda1 )? |
| 19:46.52 | x_link | Now I will reboot. |
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| 19:47.06 | wols_ | rdz: if it's a masstorage device which it probably is: yes |
| 19:47.16 | wols_ | xand: just mount it |
| 19:47.21 | wols_ | rdz: just mount it |
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| 19:47.32 | wols_ | !tell rdz about vfatrw |
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| 19:48.23 | bronz1 | When installing debian from binary cd1, netinstall enabled, the install stops when installing grub. This is after installing base system and desktop environment! |
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| 19:50.16 | fasta | !pptx |
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| 19:51.21 | x_link | wols_: It worked, I'm using 2.6.18-4-k7 kernel now =) |
| 19:51.33 | x_link | Removing 2.6.21-2-486 now. |
| 19:52.39 | vin` | bronz1: what error? |
| 19:52.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm trying to get sound working on my new laptop...can anyone give me a hand? |
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| 19:52.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | I maxed out all the volumes in alsamixer, but to no avail |
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| 19:53.31 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: sure some are not muted ? |
| 19:53.49 | rdz | wols_, how can i check, if the cam is mountable as a mass storage device? |
| 19:54.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | h3sp4wn: More or less |
| 19:54.35 | rdz | wols_, connecting the cam over usb didn't create something like '/dev/sda', thoiugh i even don't know if it is supposed to do so |
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| 19:54.55 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: so what color is enabled and what color is muted ? |
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| 19:55.30 | rdz | wols_, and if it is a mass storage device, would it possible require some kernel modules installed? |
| 19:55.31 | xand | rdz: the canon cameras i've tried haven't worked as usb mass storage devices :( |
| 19:55.41 | rdz | xand, ok. good to know |
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| 19:55.55 | nslater | How would I convert a tex document into something useful for a Debian package? |
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| 19:56.16 | ricky | nslater: latex? |
| 19:56.18 | rdz | xand, wols_ i just got a card reader from a co-student. i think with it i could mount it as a mass storage device. thank you both |
| 19:56.22 | tarzeau | nslater: pdflatex ? |
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| 19:56.30 | nslater | ricky, no idea - I think it's just tex. |
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| 19:56.37 | tarzeau | nslater: there's many example debian source packages that do something with tex at build time |
| 19:56.38 | nslater | tarzeau, see above. |
| 19:56.46 | ricky | pdftex? |
| 19:56.48 | nslater | tarzeau, can you name any? |
| 19:56.52 | tarzeau | ricky: pdflatex |
| 19:56.57 | h3sp4wn | nslater: tex4ht ? |
| 19:56.58 | tarzeau | nslater: sure, let me find something suitable |
| 19:57.00 | madclicker | hi, my amavis content filter keep corrupting pdf and doc file. Is there a problem with amavis? |
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| 19:57.14 | ricky | tarzeau: He said it was plain tex. |
| 19:57.29 | tarzeau | ricky: ah it's not latex, .tex ? |
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| 19:57.37 | Coke | Hi! I'm looking for a good FTP client, preferrable CLI. I've tried lftp, but it just doesn't work with some FTP sites. I've tried set ftp:passive-mode on (it freezes on data connection), but that doesn't work. Any suggestions for a good client? |
| 19:57.39 | tarzeau | ricky: so what, even that can be made something with :) |
| 19:57.41 | ricky | Apparently. |
| 19:57.43 | tarzeau | Coke: lftp |
| 19:57.58 | Coke | tarzeau: but it doesn't work with the particular ftp site. |
| 19:57.58 | ricky | ncftp (non-GUI) is nice. |
| 19:58.07 | rdz | wols_, xand: even with a cf-card reader i don't know how to mount it. no device created. |
| 19:58.11 | x_link | stew: Is it "wrong" or "bad" to remove the etch repo now, cause I have installed the kernel from the repo now? |
| 19:58.14 | Coke | tarzeau: although the simple ftp client does work |
| 19:58.20 | tarzeau | Coke: can you give me the login and all? |
| 19:58.26 | tarzeau | Coke: i'm sure it'd work if used correctly |
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| 19:58.42 | vin` | x_link: which release are you running? |
| 19:58.43 | tarzeau | nslater: i was thinking of ocp, but that's texi |
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| 19:58.52 | Ranpha1 | i have a sshfs mount but evertime i want to delete a file it isn't allowed. Making files is however no problem what could this be? |
| 19:58.54 | Coke | tarzeau: the login works, but when doing ls it freezes on "`ls' at 0 [Making data connection...]" |
| 19:58.58 | nslater | tarzeau, yeah - and TeX4ht isn't working for me. |
| 19:59.01 | xand | rdz: type dmesg after plugging the reader in |
| 19:59.02 | tarzeau | Coke: got a firewall? |
| 19:59.05 | xand | and look for the device name |
| 19:59.11 | rdz | wols_, xand: i admit i am a also a ubuntu user and in ubuntu devices are created automatically, when plugging it in |
| 19:59.16 | tarzeau | nslater: i don't know what tex4ht is. what document is that? url? |
| 19:59.22 | Coke | tarzeau: yep. |
| 19:59.26 | simonrvn | Coke: try connecting first, then ls ? |
| 19:59.28 | tarzeau | Coke: remove it? |
| 19:59.29 | simonrvn | ah nm |
| 19:59.30 | rdz | xand, i did, it just says: usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 |
| 19:59.30 | nslater | tarzeau, someone just recommended it - it's a Debian package. |
| 19:59.41 | xand | rdz: they are on debian too, but probably not mounted |
| 19:59.48 | xand | rdz: what version of debian is this? |
| 19:59.52 | rdz | xand, etch |
| 19:59.55 | xand | odd |
| 19:59.58 | Coke | tarzeau: I figured that since the basic ftp client works it's not a problem with the firewall |
| 20:00.05 | tarzeau | Coke: are you sure? |
| 20:00.14 | Coke | tarzeau: the regular simple ftp client works fine, yes. |
| 20:00.15 | tarzeau | Coke: you know firewalls can cause serious problems on server as well as client |
| 20:00.19 | tarzeau | Coke: did you sniff? |
| 20:00.22 | tarzeau | to be sure |
| 20:00.39 | tarzeau | Coke: i never had the case where lftp didn't work |
| 20:00.49 | tarzeau | Coke: and i've used it passively/actively/different ports |
| 20:00.58 | Coke | tarzeau: ftp works fine, but is a bit too rough on the interface. |
| 20:01.05 | rdz | xand, i upgraded etch from sarge, am i might missing something essential, that wasn't installed per default in sarge? |
| 20:01.07 | tarzeau | Coke: trickle? |
| 20:01.10 | chops | Coke: ftpfs has a mighty nice interface :-) |
| 20:01.17 | xand | rdz: did you upgrade the kernel? |
| 20:01.18 | rdz | xand, maybe hotpplugging? |
| 20:01.31 | rdz | xand, good question... i need to checkit first |
| 20:01.38 | Coke | tarzeau: trickle? |
| 20:01.47 | rdz | xand, i think not. |
| 20:01.48 | tarzeau | ricky: like http://coke.istheshit.net/ ? |
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| 20:01.49 | Coke | chops: hehe. indeed. |
| 20:01.57 | tarzeau | Coke: apt-cache show trickle |
| 20:02.01 | x_link | vin`: I'm using Debian Testing/Lenny. I just added the Etch repo to be able to install linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7, and I just installed it. So now I want to know if I can remove the etch repo or what I shoul do. |
| 20:02.03 | rdz | xand, can i do it by aptitude? |
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| 20:02.14 | h3sp4wn | x_link: have you got the headers ? |
| 20:02.27 | rdz | xand, i have 2.6.12-3 |
| 20:02.29 | Coke | tarzeau: OK, if making lftp work is this much trouble I'll just stick with the basic BSD ftp command. |
| 20:02.35 | h3sp4wn | x_link: (probably you have if you just built the nvidia module) |
| 20:02.40 | wols_ | x_link: you've been told a long time ago |
| 20:02.45 | tarzeau | Coke: i think it's a pebkac problem here |
| 20:02.52 | h3sp4wn | x_link: just remove it if you have the headers |
| 20:02.52 | Coke | tarzeau: firewall is gone, same problem. |
| 20:03.01 | tarzeau | Coke: but since you can't provide the access details i can't help |
| 20:03.19 | tarzeau | Coke: did you sniff? |
| 20:03.20 | snorks | gimme ur root account + ip, ill have a look, totally safe promis |
| 20:03.21 | Coke | tarzeau: I login and run 'ls' |
| 20:03.33 | tarzeau | Coke: so what? sniff it! you need to sniff |
| 20:03.33 | wols_ | snorks: snorks stop that |
| 20:03.40 | snorks | wols_: :( |
| 20:03.56 | Coke | tarzeau: naw. I'll rather just use an ftp client that just does it. |
| 20:04.04 | tarzeau | Coke: i'm sure lftp just does it |
| 20:04.35 | Coke | tarzeau: obviously not. unless there is some obscure setting I'm not aware of. |
| 20:04.36 | tarzeau | i love users claiming the hammer is broken when they hit their finger instead of the nails |
| 20:04.46 | wols_ | Coke: lftp works fine in passive mode |
| 20:04.49 | tarzeau | Coke: well can't help without a test user |
| 20:04.59 | Coke | tarzeau: and I hate it when the hammer is also a screwdriver and a saw, but does neither very well. |
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| 20:05.13 | tarzeau | Coke: lftp is just a great ftp client |
| 20:05.27 | Coke | wols_: sure, but it doesn't work against this particular server which the regular BSD ftp does without a problem. |
| 20:05.40 | tarzeau | Coke: so do you want the problem fixed or not? |
| 20:05.43 | Coke | so why does the simple FTP command work, but lftp does not? what is the magic setting? |
| 20:05.46 | tarzeau | Coke: is the server yours? |
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| 20:05.52 | Coke | tarzeau: no, unfortunately not. |
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| 20:05.54 | tarzeau | Coke: sniffing can find it out |
| 20:06.00 | tarzeau | Coke: do you have ngrep or tcpdump? |
| 20:06.06 | Coke | Yep. |
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| 20:06.12 | tarzeau | Coke: do you know how to use it? |
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| 20:06.41 | Coke | tarzeau: used to. probably just takes a few minutes of man paging. |
| 20:07.02 | Coke | tarzeau: wait a minute. the data connection came through, it did an 'ls', it just takes forever. |
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| 20:07.13 | tarzeau | Coke: i'd just sniff port 21 for the moment... ngrep/tcpdump port 21 and host whatevertheftphostis |
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| 20:09.33 | Coke | tarzeau: I'm not making any sense of the output. |
| 20:09.43 | tarzeau | Coke: can you put the output online? |
| 20:09.56 | tarzeau | Coke: preferably ngrep one |
| 20:10.31 | tarzeau | Coke: and what about that slow something? network? hardware? cable? link? software? dns? problem? |
| 20:10.51 | Coke | tarzeau: I tcpdump'ed everything to and from the ftp server |
| 20:11.05 | vin` | x_link: should be safe to remove it, yes. |
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| 20:11.49 | tarzeau | Coke: great, where is it? |
| 20:12.02 | Coke | tarzeau: I would have suspected everything else but lftp if not for the fact that plain olde "ftp" works like a charm. |
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| 20:12.55 | xnor | Hi, how do i fix this ? http://www.pastebin.ca/618192 |
| 20:13.41 | chops | xnor: It's a bug in one or the other package; check the BTS to see if it's filed already and if it's not, then file one |
| 20:13.43 | tarzeau | xnor: install/remove one or the other |
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| 20:15.34 | AyeJay | hey, if my IP were to be dynamic, would I have to constantly change a certain file in debian in order to get it funcitioning proeprly? |
| 20:15.39 | AyeJay | besides, binding IPs. |
| 20:15.44 | AyeJay | *functioning |
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| 20:16.16 | chops | AyeJay: You should probably set your hostname's IP address to 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts |
| 20:16.16 | xnor | tarzeau: if i try to apt-get remove debianutils or passwd, apt asks me if i really knows what iam doing, it wants to uninstall awhole alot |
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| 20:16.34 | AyeJay | gotcha. thanks, chops. |
| 20:16.40 | chops | AyeJay: Other than that I can't think of anything. Dynamic IPs are not an unusual configuration. |
| 20:16.48 | Coke | tarzeau: are there some "enhanced features" of the FTP protocol that lftp uses, but ftp does not? Maybe I can just turn them off. |
| 20:16.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | h3sp4wn: None are muted, all are maxed out |
| 20:16.58 | AyeJay | oh, because my friends hosting a box of mine at his uncles. |
| 20:17.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | There's not a lot of them, though |
| 20:17.05 | AyeJay | and he's running on a cable modem |
| 20:17.16 | chops | xnor: What distribution are you running? What's 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
| 20:17.18 | AyeJay | and i'm just hoping the IP doesnt keep changing on me, and such. |
| 20:17.27 | AyeJay | i |
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| 20:17.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | h3sp4wn: The only output ones are master and pcm |
| 20:17.37 | chops | xnor: And what operation are you doing that it's giving you that error? |
| 20:17.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | The rest are inputs |
| 20:17.43 | AyeJay | *i'll probably bind the IP addresses that's about it. |
| 20:17.47 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: and they are both green ? |
| 20:18.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do you mean, green? |
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| 20:18.14 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: i.e unmuted |
| 20:18.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | They've got three colours... white, green and red |
| 20:18.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | They're not muted |
| 20:18.29 | tarzeau | Coke: i don't think so |
| 20:18.39 | tarzeau | xnor: so? is that etch? |
| 20:18.49 | xnor | chops:http://www.pastebin.ca/618205 |
| 20:18.50 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: then you would see they are green - green == unmuted |
| 20:18.51 | xand | can someone suggest a program other than gparted for resizing partitions? or can I just use fdisk or something and not format... |
| 20:18.57 | tarzeau | Coke: look post the sniff or access then people can help you. otherwise just forget it |
| 20:19.06 | tarzeau | xand: qtparted? |
| 20:19.09 | AyeJay | strange. |
| 20:19.20 | AyeJay | is anyone elses AIM acting up? |
| 20:19.28 | xand | AIM? who uses that? :P |
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| 20:19.34 | Nyle | my brother |
| 20:19.37 | amphi | people use AIM? |
| 20:19.38 | AyeJay | hahahaha. |
| 20:19.42 | AyeJay | of course. ;] |
| 20:19.44 | Nyle | whats funny? |
| 20:19.46 | chops | AyeJay: Mine's been flaky today. |
| 20:19.55 | AyeJay | mine just kicked me off, i figured i got disconnected. |
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| 20:20.07 | AyeJay | then i'm over here wondering why IRC didnt get disconnected |
| 20:20.09 | Coke | tarzeau: yep, I'll by doing a lot of typing in ftp. |
| 20:20.13 | xand | tarzeau: something that isn't a frontend to parted :| |
| 20:20.56 | AyeJay | hey coke, what ftp package would you suggest getting for hosting a ftp server? |
| 20:21.05 | AyeJay | (i haven't touched debian in awhile, it's all coming back to me) |
| 20:21.34 | chops | xnor: ... and what operation are you doing that leads to that error? (he asked again...) |
| 20:21.38 | xand | ffs |
| 20:22.01 | AyeJay | hm, is pure-ftp all that good? |
| 20:22.13 | h3sp4wn | AyeJay: vsftpd |
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| 20:22.20 | AyeJay | vsftpd? i was thinking proftpd |
| 20:22.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | h3sp4wn: http://xs217.xs.to/xs217/07285/snapshot1.png |
| 20:22.32 | h3sp4wn | AyeJay: (or proftpd if you particularly need features of proftpd) |
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| 20:22.47 | AyeJay | oh really, hm what features does proftpd have that vsftpd doesn't? |
| 20:22.55 | AyeJay | i googled it just now. |
| 20:23.50 | xnor | chops: apt-get upgrade |
| 20:24.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | h3sp4wn: See anything useful? |
| 20:24.05 | chops | xnor: Does 'apt-get dist-upgrade' work for you? |
| 20:24.24 | h3sp4wn | AyeJay: just look at apt-cache depends {proftpd,vsftpd} |
| 20:24.48 | sphear1 | Is there any way I can use a linux server to controll windows profiles? |
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| 20:25.03 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: Looks very minimalistic - did you run alsaconf ? |
| 20:25.10 | AyeJay | gotcha, thanks h3sp4wn. |
| 20:25.11 | xnor | chops: do i dare to run that command ? :) |
| 20:25.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | h3sp4wn: No, I didn't - Good idea |
| 20:25.35 | AyeJay | im hitting the enter button way too much, im using this little tiny keyboard. the enter button is like right next to the L. |
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| 20:26.10 | xand | SIGH |
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| 20:26.43 | xand | what insolence is this: (parted) print 1 |
| 20:26.44 | xand | Error: File system has an incompatible feature enabled. |
| 20:26.49 | sam123 | !dstats sid |
| 20:26.54 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 21227 packages, 1855 maintainers, 50011 MB installed size, 16951 MB compressed size. |
| 20:27.13 | sam123 | why does sid have so many packages compared to etch and lenny? |
| 20:27.27 | abrotman | sam123: lots of packages that haven't made it to testing yet |
| 20:27.32 | abrotman | sam123: like tor for example |
| 20:27.34 | chops | xnor: dist-upgrade is the same as upgrade, only smarter. 'ugprade' is sort of a special case for when you know you don't want to modify your set of installed packages at all. 'dist-upgrade' means, "upgrade all my packages, installing or removing new or removed packages as appropriate." |
| 20:27.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | h3sp4wn: I'm rebooting it now |
| 20:27.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | BTW, the lappy has a TPM, does anyone know how I can use it? |
| 20:27.50 | abernel | gnome control for eth1 on imac has no ip address no connectivity. |
| 20:27.53 | chops | xnor: 'aptitude dist-upgrade' is even smarter |
| 20:27.53 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: shouldn't have to |
| 20:27.57 | sam123 | What do maintainers do exactly? |
| 20:28.02 | abrotman | !mg |
| 20:28.02 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 20:28.05 | abrotman | !nm |
| 20:28.05 | dpkg | i guess nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 20:28.05 | xand | maintain packages |
| 20:28.11 | xnor | chops: aha didnt know that |
| 20:28.21 | sam123 | xand i said exactly |
| 20:28.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | h3sp4wn: Well, aRts and other sound apps started crashing after I ran alsaconf :) |
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| 20:28.30 | chops | xnor: You probably should, if you're going to run sid :-/ |
| 20:28.30 | xand | who put that backslash in that factoid! |
| 20:28.34 | chops | !sid |
| 20:28.34 | dpkg | the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
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| 20:29.12 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: ok |
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| 20:30.39 | D0ug | Hello, I'm having some difficulties trying to install debian with the net inst. I cannot seem to be able to connect to the internet. I have run into the identical issue with an older computer when confronted in the same situation. I am using the link from goodbye-microsoft.com. I am using a DSL connection over ethernet... NO ROUTERS. |
| 20:31.11 | chops | D0ug: PPPoE perhaps? |
| 20:32.16 | D0ug | Yes, I've been using PPPoE |
| 20:32.26 | itchi | D0ug: Does the network card work with watheverGNU/Linux live cd? Like knoppix for example |
| 20:32.29 | subx | D0ug try using different ethernet port |
| 20:32.36 | itchi | oh |
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| 20:32.36 | D0ug | I was able to install an old version on Knoppix (DSL) and the PPPoE works perfectly |
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| 20:32.48 | armbar | hello |
| 20:32.55 | itchi | armbar: :-p |
| 20:33.04 | ricky | Hi! |
| 20:33.05 | subx | D0ug debian might be configuring the wrong ethernet port |
| 20:33.06 | x_link | vin`: Alright, thanks! |
| 20:33.12 | D0ug | Only prob, when I upgrade it no longer works. |
| 20:33.27 | D0ug | Please, any assistance would be MUCH appreciated |
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| 20:33.34 | subx | D0ug: RTFM |
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| 20:33.42 | chops | D0ug: PPPoE support in Linux in general is quite mature... but if you're having network trouble, that's definitely the first place I would look for problems |
| 20:33.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | h3sp4wn: No more options in alsamixer :( |
| 20:34.41 | subx | \\("")// "the cat says, read the manual!" |
| 20:34.47 | subx | k |
| 20:34.50 | subx | just like me ;) |
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| 20:35.47 | D0ug | Thank you |
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| 20:36.29 | subx | !google debian manual |
| 20:36.30 | ewanm89_laptop | Results for debian manual on Google: |
| 20:36.30 | ewanm89_laptop | -- |
| 20:37.01 | abrotman | ewanm89_laptop: turn that off please |
| 20:37.03 | D0ug | I've gone over this a hundred times, I've read the LNAG I've read the manual |
| 20:37.10 | D0ug | I cannot find anything to help me |
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| 20:37.28 | subx | hold on a second im stressed |
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| 20:40.04 | ewanm89_laptop | abrotman: Sorry, I wondered how that script workd, I was trying a load of different ones this morning, forgot to unload it, oops. |
| 20:40.12 | wols_ | D0ug: what network card do you have? |
| 20:40.20 | D0ug | One sec |
| 20:40.32 | streuner | second is over |
| 20:40.40 | wols_ | D0ug: and is that network card recognized? |
| 20:40.56 | D0ug | 10 more seconds |
| 20:41.07 | wols_ | stop typing and start looking! |
| 20:42.47 | D0ug | NVIDEA nForce Networking Controller? |
| 20:43.28 | wols_ | ok, that's supported by forcedeth. do you have a network interface in debian? |
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| 20:44.07 | xand | wols_: seems that the dd-ing and resizing using resize2fs was sufficient... no grub messing needed |
| 20:44.24 | D0ug | All I've been able to do is toy with a net inst on this comp |
| 20:44.29 | wols_ | xand: you make no sense |
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| 20:44.39 | xand | wols_: no. |
| 20:44.40 | D0ug | I was able to sucessfully install Knoppix on an old computer (same connecion) |
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| 20:45.09 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: Don't know - try #alsa |
| 20:45.11 | chops | D0ug: You know, you're spending valuable typing that you could be using to answer wols_'s question :-) |
| 20:45.15 | wols_ | D0ug: are you unable to answer my questions, are you just a scatterbrain or what are you repeating yourself? |
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| 20:45.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | h3sp4wn: already there |
| 20:45.25 | wols_ | *why |
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| 20:45.57 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: Did you run the script they have (uploads a load of stuff to pastebin) |
| 20:46.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | h3sp4wn: No? |
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| 20:46.51 | creature | Hello. I'm trying to pair my Palm with my laptop via Bluetooth, but I'm getting an error in my daemon.log 'No such adapter'. Full log at http://pastie.caboo.se/78692 . bluetooth-applet is running, which claims to provide a passkey authentication thingy. |
| 20:47.19 | D0ug | I'd love for you to drop your attitude. I am trying to answer your questions as best I can, I am sorry if I am answering inadequately. |
| 20:47.33 | wols_ | you don't answer at ALL! |
| 20:47.47 | wols_ | and I change my attitude if you change yours. deal? |
| 20:47.49 | D0ug | Please, what do you mean by netowork interface, please lets just continye. |
| 20:48.08 | wols_ | ethX is a network interface |
| 20:48.32 | D0ug | I remember configuring and using eth0 on my old computer. |
| 20:48.37 | wols_ | and on that network interface you might try pppoe -I ethX -A if rp-pppoe still ships with debian |
| 20:48.40 | D0ug | On the knoppix box in installed. |
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| 20:49.04 | chops | D0ug: If you type 'ifconfig' at the console it'll show you the interfaces that exist currently. Try that; is 'eth0' in that list? |
| 20:49.09 | wols_ | you don't need to do anyt configuring of the network interface with pppoe. all you need is for it to be present |
| 20:49.16 | wols_ | chops: no |
| 20:49.23 | wols_ | he should run /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 20:49.29 | D0ug | How can I acess the console in the netinst? |
| 20:49.30 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: I don't remember where its located (surprised they didn't ask you to run it) |
| 20:49.41 | wols_ | and depending on other devices (firewires!) it might be eth1 |
| 20:49.48 | wols_ | D0ug: ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 20:49.55 | D0ug | Ok |
| 20:50.21 | D0ug | All I type is pppoe -l eth0 -A ? |
| 20:50.25 | chops | wols_: Both provide useful information. In any case, I'll step back and let you talk. |
| 20:50.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | h3sp4wn: Apparently, the latest ALSA version doesn't support the codec :( |
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| 20:51.40 | wols_ | chops: if the interface is not "up" it won't show up with a simple ifconfig. and if it's up it shows the same as a normal ifconfig |
| 20:51.59 | wols_ | D0ug: yes to see if you can reach the access concentrator |
| 20:52.04 | maconha-brasil | hi! is there a good browser other than iceweasel? |
| 20:52.12 | wols_ | since you in your wisdom haven't found necessary to tell us any error messages you get |
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| 20:52.38 | streuner | maconha-brasil: iceape :-) |
| 20:52.59 | maconha-brasil | streuner ok, thank you! my computer is weak, i am on fluxbox |
| 20:53.24 | creature | maconha-brasil: I like Opera. |
| 20:53.44 | maconha-brasil | creature opera is in the repository of debian? |
| 20:53.49 | streuner | !opera |
| 20:53.49 | dpkg | Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite which handles common internet-related tasks including visiting web sites, sending and receiving e-mail messages. Opera is Freeware (>=Version 8.5), but NOT Open-Source. |
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| 20:53.59 | some_dude | hi, Im looking for xset |
| 20:54.03 | wols_ | maconha-brasil: no |
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| 20:54.18 | wols_ | !tell some_dude about search |
| 20:54.31 | maconha-brasil | i thought debian had only opensource software in its repository |
| 20:54.42 | wols_ | maconha-brasil: yes |
| 20:54.44 | maconha-brasil | that's really cool, i will try opera also |
| 20:54.46 | streuner | maconha-brasil: there is non-free |
| 20:54.55 | wols_ | streuner: which is not debian |
| 20:55.18 | maconha-brasil | i'm happy to see that debian is more flexible! =) |
| 20:55.25 | streuner | which isnt DFSG-compatible :-) |
| 20:55.36 | some_dude | i can't install xgset because the packages are broken |
| 20:55.47 | streuner | maconha-brasil: well, dont expect too much ;-) |
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| 20:56.01 | smacnay_ | what is the command to set environmental variables? "set" ? |
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| 20:56.09 | some_dude | export |
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| 20:56.12 | wols_ | smacnay_: depends on your shell |
| 20:56.14 | chops | some_dude: What is your exact error message (pastebinning the command that gives the error and its full output will be helpful)? |
| 20:56.19 | smacnay_ | wols_: bash |
| 20:56.23 | smacnay_ | export |
| 20:56.24 | smacnay_ | thanks |
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| 20:56.29 | wols_ | then what some_dude said |
| 20:56.41 | bonez39 | is '/etc/modules' the location to put modules I want to load at startup? |
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| 20:56.48 | wols_ | bonez39: yes |
| 20:56.59 | bonez39 | wols_: thanks |
| 20:57.02 | some_dude | http://paste.debian.net/32673 |
| 20:57.06 | some_dude | it was on the way |
| 20:57.22 | steinchen | hi all.. i upgraded to etch, and now i am getting a "FreeFontPath: FPE: refcount error..." when a normal user wants to startx .. root can run x/kde and login and use the desktop - same with xdm/kdm.. whats that? |
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| 20:57.49 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: maybe try the (ex) commercial oss drivers |
| 20:57.53 | chops | some_dude: Does 'aptitude update' solve the problem? Have you recently changed anything in sources.list? |
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| 20:58.13 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: http://www.opensound.com/ |
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| 20:58.18 | marijuana-brasil | is just for me, or mirrors.kernel.org is slow? |
| 20:58.19 | some_dude | I just ran an apt-get update |
| 20:58.35 | some_dude | it's a backport, and it's now been very nice to me. |
| 20:58.41 | wols_ | some_dude: /msg dpkg bat |
| 20:58.48 | chops | some_dude: Are you using apt-get now? You might try aptitude instead and see if it can propose a better solution. |
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| 20:58.54 | chops | some_dude: You could also try a dist-upgrade first |
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| 20:59.10 | x_link | wols_: Hi, there? |
| 20:59.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | h3sp4wn: OSS drivers are a joke... if I'm forced to use them, I'll mount a fork on my desk, and headdesk repeatedly. |
| 20:59.15 | wols_ | x_link: yes |
| 20:59.18 | marijuana-brasil | i read that aptitude is better than apt-get |
| 20:59.38 | Azar | chops: if you recommend dist-upgrade, please recommend release notes first |
| 20:59.41 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: why ? (significantly less broken than alsa with envy24) |
| 20:59.54 | x_link | I just installed all the nvidia packages for my kernel, it worked fine. Installed the nvidia driver, worked fine. Then I do /etc/init.d/kdm start. Then I see the nvidia logo and KDE loads. But when I reboot I don't get any GUI. |
| 21:00.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | h3sp4wn: Only one sound at a time is one example |
| 21:00.11 | bonez39 | marijuana-brasil: have you tried both? |
| 21:00.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | h3sp4wn: And the sound quality is inferior |
| 21:00.18 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: bullshit |
| 21:00.19 | wols_ | x_link: error messages and logs are not optional |
| 21:00.20 | chops | Azar: I am assuming that he's not attempting to install this package halfway through a stable upgrade. |
| 21:00.24 | x_link | If I re-install my driver again and when it's done I do /etc/init.d/kdm start then I will get GUI. But not if I reboot. |
| 21:00.25 | steinchen | how come root can startx and a normal user cant?? |
| 21:00.26 | marijuana-brasil | x_link i have a nvidia also, what is your card? |
| 21:00.31 | chops | Azar: I.e. that he's running testing or unstable. |
| 21:00.34 | x_link | marijuana-brasil: 7600GT. |
| 21:00.41 | marijuana-brasil | bonez39: no i don't, i just read it |
| 21:00.41 | x_link | This has never happened to me anytime before. |
| 21:00.51 | bonez39 | marijuana-brasil: aptitude hosed several applications before I killed it..you have to know exactly what you want it to do and what it will do before hitting 'g' |
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| 21:00.54 | x_link | wols_: Right now I'm in CLI, so it's hard for me to know where to look. |
| 21:01.03 | marijuana-brasil | x_link did you get your driver at www.nvidia.com right? |
| 21:01.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | h3sp4wn: From my own experience, at least |
| 21:01.08 | Azar | marijuana-brasil: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
| 21:01.09 | wols_ | x_link: in the logs you've been told about countless times before |
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| 21:01.34 | x_link | marijuana-brasil: Yeah, as always before. |
| 21:01.36 | wols_ | marijuana-brasil: we don't support nvidia.com packages |
| 21:01.39 | Ranpha1 | When i mount a encrypted Hdd with sshfs i can't delete files. If i connect over ssh with buildin gnome app it works . What has to be extra in sshfs? |
| 21:01.43 | x_link | wols_: Sorry, I will shut up now. |
| 21:01.47 | Azar | chops: if you recommend dist-upgrade up from stable, tell him that testing and unstable are..... unstable |
| 21:01.50 | wols_ | x_link:then I won't support you. you just broke your system |
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| 21:02.02 | some_dude | I have to install aptitude |
| 21:02.02 | wols_ | ask nvidia to help you |
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| 21:02.09 | x_link | wols_: Why did I break it? |
| 21:02.11 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: those ones (not the in kernel ones) have in kernel mixing (upto 8 apps at once) and much higher sound quality (for my card) |
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| 21:02.25 | Nyle | time to go home |
| 21:02.26 | x_link | wols_: I will remove it then if you will not help me. |
| 21:02.37 | marijuana-brasil | x_link nvidia realease 3 versions of the drivers: 100* 96* 70* i am not sure what driver you should use |
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| 21:02.43 | wols_ | x_link: I won't you help anymore. I dunno what they leave behind. have a nice day |
| 21:02.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | h3sp4wn: What card is that? |
| 21:02.49 | chops | some_dude: Or, if you'd prefer to use apt-get, you have to dist-upgrade after doing an update (if you're running testing/unstable) |
| 21:03.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | h3sp4wn: It worked about as good as Windows on my old EMU10K1 card |
| 21:03.10 | wols_ | marijuana-brasil: please do not tell people in here to use the nvidia.com driver. thank you |
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| 21:03.22 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: m-audio delta 44 and terratec space 7.1 |
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| 21:03.28 | some_dude | aptitude is helping me out |
| 21:03.28 | marijuana-brasil | wols_ why not? it's a good driver |
| 21:03.33 | wols_ | marijuana-brasil: no it's not |
| 21:03.35 | Azar | marijuana-brasil: we do not use the proprietary nvidia driver from their site: is NOT recommended for Debian |
| 21:03.36 | wols_ | !nvidia.com |
| 21:03.36 | chops | some_dude: As for what Azar said -- what version are you running right now, and what version did you just update to? |
| 21:03.46 | h3sp4wn | Dark_Apostrophe: using the non free ones (they were only gpl'ed extremely recently) |
| 21:03.54 | Azar | !nvidia installer |
| 21:03.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 21:03.54 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia-installer was a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. Ask me about <nvidia-graphics-drivers> instead. |
| 21:04.03 | some_dude | it says version 4.0 |
| 21:04.12 | wols_ | !nvidia-installer really sucks |
| 21:04.12 | dpkg | We don't tell you not to use drivers from nvidia.com for fun. We have valid reasons for it, based on extensive experience. What it boils down to is this: your system will "work fine" for a while, then break HORRIBLY, if you don't install the driver the Debian way. Don't expect sympathy. Do it RIGHT the first time - /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 21:04.27 | Azar | some_dude: don't do a dist-upgrade, is not good to venture on unstable higher versions |
| 21:04.36 | marijuana-brasil | that is not fair |
| 21:04.36 | steinchen | whats that "FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing." error - and only root may run X ? |
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| 21:04.56 | marijuana-brasil | nvidia is very good, he has the right to know this |
| 21:05.06 | wols_ | marijuana-brasil: sure. but not in here |
| 21:05.08 | Nyle | oh my god |
| 21:05.10 | Nyle | I love this guy |
| 21:05.11 | Azar | marijuana-brasil: then ask him to move out of Debian |
| 21:05.14 | Nyle | marijuana-brasil: hell yeah |
| 21:05.15 | streuner | nvidia is tha crap |
| 21:05.20 | marijuana-brasil | it's not perfect, but it's the best driver for linux today |
| 21:05.21 | Nyle | nvidia is this shiznit |
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| 21:05.36 | Nyle | dude |
| 21:05.37 | Nyle | no |
| 21:05.38 | streuner | no support for 3D |
| 21:05.40 | Nyle | get away from my crotch |
| 21:05.41 | wols_ | marijuana-brasil: debian has nvidia drievr packages. those are supported and those only |
| 21:05.44 | streuner | for 'nv' |
| 21:05.53 | Nyle | im goin home |
| 21:05.59 | streuner | only headaches |
| 21:06.00 | dkr | why bother arguing with a druggy? :) |
| 21:06.07 | steinchen | eeeh |
| 21:06.20 | marijuana-brasil | everyone uses marijuana my friend |
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| 21:06.38 | dkr | only people that don't value their brains |
| 21:06.38 | nofxx_ | beer is drug.. cigarrete is drug |
| 21:06.50 | some_dude | after all of that, that's the WRONG program |
| 21:06.50 | Azar | marijuana-brasil: don't push proprietary drivers on Debian... not gonna work |
| 21:06.54 | nofxx_ | marijuana is a natural herb |
| 21:06.57 | wols_ | dkr: well, he's from brasil. so who cares? |
| 21:07.04 | Azar | :) yea |
| 21:07.07 | nofxx_ | dkr, dude its so stupid to tell things you dont know |
| 21:07.16 | nofxx_ | its called being a stupid person huahuha |
| 21:07.17 | marijuana-brasil | well, i will test nvidia proprietary drivers right now, if it works, i will come to tell you |
| 21:07.21 | wols_ | nofxx_: you don't know much either. either way, it'S OT |
| 21:07.32 | wols_ | marijuana-brasil: don#t bother |
| 21:07.33 | Azar | marijuana-brasil: not here, in #debian, is OT |
| 21:07.45 | bonez39 | wols_: one more question...I am installing zimbra on a box running on my LAN..it requires, nay demands the following ports to work correctly: 993, 389, 143, 110, 80 and 25... is there any relatively painless way to reassign ports to other unused ports...., for example so that I can still access my main linux machine from the 'net? |
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| 21:08.00 | some_dude | I install gxset, and it installed a lot of crap with it, now i want to remove it, I did an apt-get remove, but the crash is still around |
| 21:08.06 | chops | some_dude: Wait, what's in your sources.list? You said you are running 4.0 currently. |
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| 21:08.14 | wols_ | bonez39: access in what way? |
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| 21:08.28 | sputnick | Hi there. |
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| 21:08.36 | Azar | some_dude: use a paster and paste the content of your sources.list on it, bring the link here |
| 21:08.41 | some_dude | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free |
| 21:08.41 | some_dude | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 21:08.42 | wols_ | some_dude: you should have used aptitude |
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| 21:08.56 | wols_ | some_dude: you can manually chaeck what you need to remove with /var/log/dpkg.log* |
| 21:08.56 | ParrotBot | smoe_dude: you can mlnlauay cecahk waht you need to romvee wtih /var/log/dkpg.log* |
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| 21:09.04 | marijuana-brasil | guys, we have to be flexible, ok? you were very unpolite with that dude! he deserves to know that nvidia proprietary driver may work on debian. why you cannot tell him? we are free to speak, my frieds |
| 21:09.04 | ParrotBot | guys, we hvae to be fxlbeile, ok? you wree vrey ulntopie with taht dude! he drvseees to know that nidvia pipearrrtoy dreivr may work on dieabn. why you connat tell him? we are free to spaek, my fdreis |
| 21:09.04 | cycom | isn't the proprietary driver what's in the nvidia-glx package? |
| 21:09.04 | ParrotBot | isn't the porietarrpy dirver waht's in the nidvia-glx pkgaace? |
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| 21:09.05 | abrotman | ParrotBot: go away |
| 21:09.05 | ParrotBot | PoBoatrrt: go aawy |
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| 21:09.09 | abrotman | !ops ParrotBot |
| 21:09.09 | ParrotBot | !ops PtBrooart |
| 21:09.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: ParrotBot |
| 21:09.09 | ParrotBot | Hoddixyre, bob2, cupahso, denllocerdao, dogioe, eoreye-, EEelrtcilcf, ):, heilx, ljlane, LRoez, RhiciH, mtoner, Nnptsiee, TML, wrlates, xk, girtvay, aezem, Mlaiukn, setw, preetS, Alife, Moyn, Gfaennf, Mklaiun, wsaeel, zboel: aromabtn ciolnamps aobut: PrtroBoat |
| 21:09.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: parrotbot complains about: PtBrooart |
| 21:09.12 | ParrotBot | Hryxdodie, bob2, cahspuo, deocdlenalro, diogoe, eryeoe-, EriEteclclf, ):, hielx, lalnje, LeRoz, RicihH, mneotr, Nitsnpee, TML, wrletas, xk, gvatriy, aeezm, Miuklan, stew, prteeS, Afile, Moyn, Gefannf, Mikualn, wseael, zeobl: pbortorat cnapmiols aubot: PBrotroat |
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| 21:09.30 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@12-227-168-104.client.mchsi.com] by peterS |
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| 21:09.34 | bonez39 | wols_: I run mailman from my main box....perhaps it doesn't require those ports....I guess port 22 will still allow me to ssh in... but if I want to run my web... on my main box..... won't I have to assign it to other ports, for 80... ? |
| 21:09.45 | some_dude | wols_ : I reinstalled it, and used aptitude |
| 21:09.51 | wols_ | bonez39: I guess yes |
| 21:09.58 | sputnick | I experienced some problem. I have configured a nfs server on a debian etch to a another one. I have the following errors when I try to mount on localhost or on the client. |
| 21:09.58 | sputnick | mount -t nfs localhost:/home/sputnick /tmp/i |
| 21:09.58 | sputnick | mount: localhost:/home/sputnick failed, reason given by server: Permission |
| 21:10.06 | abrotman | peterS: thank you |
| 21:10.23 | cycom | This got lost in that parrot bot mess. isn't the proprietary driver what's in the nvidia-glx package? |
| 21:10.25 | creature | I'm trying to pair my Palm with my laptop via Bluetooth, but I'm getting an error in my daemon.log 'No such adapter'. Full log at http://pastie.caboo.se/78692 . bluetooth-applet is running, which claims to provide a passkey authentication thingy. |
| 21:10.31 | marijuana-brasil | !flash |
| 21:10.31 | dpkg | it has been said that flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 21:10.32 | wols_ | cycom: yes |
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| 21:10.47 | abrotman | peterS: i would guess chuck was his controller ? |
| 21:10.59 | x_link | wols_: Should I remove all the packages I installed? |
| 21:11.25 | wols_ | abrotman: looks like it |
| 21:12.37 | cycom | x_link: did you know about the nvidia packages for debian? |
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| 21:12.53 | marijuana-brasil | guys, it's time to have fun! please, support the groups of marijuana legalization, ok? good bye, my friends |
| 21:13.00 | davidL | which application will let me turn off my fans? |
| 21:13.06 | Azar | ban him: n=matheus@201.78.239.117 |
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| 21:13.17 | wols_ | davidL: possibly acpi-tool |
| 21:13.24 | marijuana-brasil | azar, stallman support this groups, just to you know |
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| 21:13.31 | abrotman | marijuana-brasil: go away |
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| 21:13.56 | marijuana-brasil | there is no reason to be rude, good bye |
| 21:13.58 | wols_ | abrotman: he's brazilian. be glad he's not from .sg :) |
| 21:14.00 | *** part/#debian chuck (n=charlie@unaffiliated/chuck) |
| 21:14.10 | marijuana-brasil | .sg? |
| 21:14.17 | x_link | cycom: I have never used them. |
| 21:14.18 | abrotman | wols_: heh |
| 21:14.29 | marijuana-brasil | what is .sg? |
| 21:14.33 | abrotman | ask google |
| 21:14.34 | wols_ | a TLD |
| 21:14.48 | marijuana-brasil | LSD? |
| 21:14.54 | cycom | x_link: If you install them, it might undo some of the mess from the nvidia drivers. That or it'll make the mess worse, but I'd give it a shot. |
| 21:15.03 | shurbann | hi. I wan to change the screen resolution uisng the screen resolution setting, but the resolution is not in the drop down list. I tried to add the screen resolution in the xorg.conf, but tsill I dont see this reslution. Where should I add this? |
| 21:15.06 | abrotman | marijuana-brasil: do you have a debian question ? |
| 21:15.07 | pickcoder | is it sunday already? |
| 21:15.15 | x_link | cycom: sudo aptitude install nvidia? |
| 21:15.21 | x_link | cycom: Should I just do that or? |
| 21:15.26 | cycom | x_link: I would do apt-cache search nvidia |
| 21:15.32 | shurbann | So I can select it using the drop down list |
| 21:15.43 | cycom | x_link: That way you can see what packages are available. Maybe a bit of light googling to see which one fits your card. |
| 21:15.44 | marijuana-brasil | x_link get the drivers on www.nvidia.com, talk to me in private, i can help you |
| 21:15.47 | bronze-- | I need some help with GRUB. I need to boot up debian using the GRUB terminal, because the menu is not "installed"/ set up. I have windows xp on sda1, debian on sda2. How can this be done? |
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| 21:15.49 | wols_ | shurbann: what video driver? and what desired res? |
| 21:15.53 | abrotman | x_link: do NOT use the nvidia.com method |
| 21:15.55 | cycom | x_link: and ignore that gasbag marijuana-brasil |
| 21:16.04 | marijuana-brasil | x_link i want to help you |
| 21:16.10 | abrotman | marijuana-brasil: you're not helping at all |
| 21:16.12 | Azar | x_link: debian has its own nvidia driver and the way to install it.. |
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| 21:16.29 | cycom | x_link: it's the same drivers, you just install them the debian way so they work better. |
| 21:16.30 | marijuana-brasil | x_link join #nvidia-linux i just created that channel, come here |
| 21:16.32 | shurbann | I want the 1152×864 res. and I have the nvidia drivers |
| 21:16.40 | marijuana-brasil | i am there |
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| 21:16.47 | Azar | x_link: you listen to someone who is outside of debian giving you bad advices, nvidia.com site driver works only temporarily, then breaks |
| 21:16.49 | abrotman | holy god |
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| 21:17.02 | abrotman | !ops hui |
| 21:17.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: hui |
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| 21:17.15 | shurbann | the drivers works. The only thing is I want to select a higher res then the 1024x768 which I'm using riht now.. |
| 21:17.18 | xand | yeah f off |
| 21:17.20 | Greyscale | Feature request: In the debian-installer, can someone include an SSH client? |
| 21:17.23 | xand | abrotman: sunday came early :D |
| 21:17.27 | abrotman | apparently |
| 21:17.30 | davidL | wols_: I don't have anything under /proc/acpi/fan/ |
| 21:17.34 | x_link | Azar/everybody else: Okej. |
| 21:17.35 | Greyscale | so then I can pass the install time playing on a remote machine :/ |
| 21:17.35 | abrotman | i thought he had changed IPs .. |
| 21:17.39 | Azar | it starts all on Friday night... |
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| 21:17.52 | x_link | cycom: Can I talk to you in PM for a minute? |
| 21:18.01 | xand | Greyscale: use the BTS :P |
| 21:18.06 | Azar | x_link: ask people who have experience with Debian here, the helpers |
| 21:18.06 | Greyscale | hmm? |
| 21:18.12 | x_link | marijuana-brasil: Didn't you just have problems installing the nvidia driver? |
| 21:18.13 | subx | how do i message dpkg to remove gnome? |
| 21:18.15 | xand | for feature requests |
| 21:18.20 | Greyscale | Oo |
| 21:18.22 | abrotman | !tell subx about remove gnome |
| 21:18.22 | cycom | x_link: sure, but it makes more sense to talk in the open channel about your issues, so everyone can gain from your experience. |
| 21:18.23 | marijuana-brasil | guys, to get the better of nvidia, you have to use the nvidia official drivers |
| 21:18.23 | x_link | Azar: Some people here are pissed at me when I ask, so I rather not. |
| 21:18.26 | Greyscale | hit me with a link? |
| 21:18.28 | abrotman | marijuana-brasil: SHUT UP |
| 21:18.29 | wols_ | abrotman: 23:18 <chuck> i know i'm sorry the bot is out of control |
| 21:18.30 | marijuana-brasil | x_link no i don't |
| 21:18.33 | x_link | marijuana-brasil: ok |
| 21:18.34 | subx | thanks |
| 21:18.35 | x_link | cycom: Okej. |
| 21:18.38 | wols_ | abrotman: I messaged chuck about his behaviour |
| 21:18.40 | xand | Greyscale: run reportbug |
| 21:18.41 | marijuana-brasil | x_link i was using nvidia drivers |
| 21:18.57 | abrotman | wols_: i doubt he really cares .. you don't run a bot that is only meant to repeat and bring it in a channel with 750 people |
| 21:18.58 | pickcoder | it's a repeater bot, what is "out of control?" |
| 21:18.58 | Azar | x_link: which Debian version you use? |
| 21:19.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 760] by debhelper |
| 21:19.09 | x_link | Azar: Debian Testing, KDE 3.5.7 |
| 21:19.19 | x_link | Azar: This way has always been working for me. |
| 21:19.21 | marijuana-brasil | x_link what is your video card? |
| 21:19.29 | xand | oh look, a bug in reportbug... "9 install Problems with the sarge installer." <-- on etch :D |
| 21:19.31 | wols_ | he's probably too dumb to set the channels the bot should join I guess :) |
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| 21:20.02 | streuner | abrotman: later |
| 21:20.06 | x_link | Azar: Nowo I have GUI, but for me to have GUI I had to re-install the nvidia driver and instead of rebooting right away I had to do /etc/init.d/kdm start. This way I will have GUI. But if I would reboot now then I would come to CLI. |
| 21:20.11 | marijuana-brasil | x_link what is your video card? |
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| 21:20.21 | x_link | marijuana-brasil: 7600GT. |
| 21:20.33 | x_link | marijuana-brasil: It's not my GPU, I'm sure of that. |
| 21:20.34 | Greyscale | bbiab |
| 21:20.36 | Azar | !nvidia post-etch |
| 21:20.40 | wols_ | Azar: if he wants to break his system witht he nvidia.com drivers. let him. just don't help him in his nedeavour |
| 21:20.43 | x_link | Azar: Not Etch, Testing. |
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| 21:20.58 | x_link | wols_: I don't want to break anything. |
| 21:21.04 | x_link | wols_: Maybe everybody is not as good as you are. |
| 21:21.05 | wols_ | x_link: you already have. too late |
| 21:21.07 | marijuana-brasil | go here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.11%20.html |
| 21:21.07 | cycom | x_link: You should install the debian nvidia package. |
| 21:21.09 | davidL | what can I use to control the speeds of my fans? I have an ACPI-enabled BIOS but there is nothing under /proc/acpi/fan |
| 21:21.22 | Azar | x_link and marijuana-brasil then take your discussion elsewhere |
| 21:21.29 | wols_ | x_link: you've been told what to install before. and you knew what you should ahve installed. so there is no excuse |
| 21:21.35 | x_link | cycom: No need, wols_ says that my system is already messed up. |
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| 21:21.42 | marijuana-brasil | this is the RIGHT version to your card |
| 21:21.54 | cycom | x_link: don't be pissy to me now. I'm trying to help you. |
| 21:22.00 | x_link | marijuana-brasil: I know which version it is. |
| 21:22.01 | wols_ | marijuana-brasil: please take your discussion with x_link elswhere |
| 21:22.05 | Azar | marijuana-brasil: your sort of "tutorial" is not debian way of installing packages, take your class elsewhere |
| 21:22.14 | x_link | cycom: Okej, what do you want to know exactly? I will tell you. |
| 21:22.34 | Azar | x_link: you are out of topic here |
| 21:22.40 | x_link | marijuana-brasil: That's the way I did it and it DOESN*T work. |
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| 21:22.48 | x_link | So now I want to try the Debian way to do this. |
| 21:22.50 | cycom | x_link: You've told me what I need to know. What I've told you is that you should use apt-cache search and google to find the package that matches your card. |
| 21:22.57 | satupuluh | shurbann: try to dpkg-reconfigure your xserver-xorg |
| 21:23.02 | x_link | cycom: Okej. |
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| 21:23.20 | shurbann | satupuluh, ok thnx |
| 21:23.31 | marijuana-brasil | x_link: are you having problems with the resolution? or the xorg doesn't even work? |
| 21:23.37 | x_link | cycom: What about the nvidia packages I installed before I installed the nvidia driver short while ago? Should I remove them all? |
| 21:23.54 | davidL | anyone? |
| 21:23.57 | x_link | marijuana-brasil: I don't get any GUI when I reboot. |
| 21:23.57 | cycom | x_link: if you can, yes. if not, don't worry about it. |
| 21:24.25 | Azar | davidL: can you please ask your question again, x_link and his friends here blocked your question |
| 21:24.27 | x_link | I can, it's a simpe command. |
| 21:24.32 | marijuana-brasil | davidL: did you select laptop task? |
| 21:24.41 | davidL | marijuana-brasil: I don't run a laptop |
| 21:24.44 | davidL | what can I use to control the speeds of my fans? I have an ACPI-enabled BIOS but there is nothing under /proc/acpi/fan |
| 21:24.49 | x_link | cycom: But I don't know how to remove everything the "sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.11-pkg1.run installed =/ |
| 21:24.59 | cycom | x_link: my light googling turned up a pile of tutorials, including how to clean up the mess of nvidia |
| 21:25.17 | x_link | ok |
| 21:25.28 | marijuana-brasil | x_link read the readme.txt on the page i sent to you, there is a way of doing this |
| 21:25.29 | x_link | cycom: I will try now to find something on the net, |
| 21:25.40 | Azar | finally |
| 21:25.51 | x_link | marijuana-brasil: I KNOW how to install the "nvidia.com way" |
| 21:25.59 | x_link | It's NOT that, it just DOESN'T work. |
| 21:26.13 | davidL | #nvidia |
| 21:26.46 | marijuana-brasil | x_link i am telling to you that the readme.txt file says how to uninstall the program |
| 21:26.56 | marijuana-brasil | i have done this once |
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| 21:27.08 | marijuana-brasil | it's something like sh NVIDIA* -uninstall |
| 21:27.14 | PhinnFort | are there sqlite 2 packages for debian stable? |
| 21:27.15 | marijuana-brasil | i'm not sure, ok? |
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| 21:28.02 | x_link | marijuana-brasil: OKej. |
| 21:28.02 | xand | PhinnFort: apt-cache show sqlite |
| 21:28.21 | marijuana-brasil | x_link http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.11%20.html read the README.TXT |
| 21:28.38 | marijuana-brasil | it will say how to remove the nvidia driver, ok? |
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| 21:29.10 | satupuluh | PhinnFort: yup, by default |
| 21:29.17 | PhinnFort | satupuluh: thanks |
| 21:29.21 | PhinnFort | xand: and thanks |
| 21:29.21 | marijuana-brasil | does anyone knows how can i see if my DMA is enabled? |
| 21:29.30 | PhinnFort | I thought it was just a metapackage for sqlite3 |
| 21:29.45 | chops | marijuana-brasil: hdparm |
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| 21:29.56 | marijuana-brasil | chops, ok |
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| 21:30.48 | wols_ | marijuana-brasil: dmesg |grep DMA |
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| 21:31.23 | marijuana-brasil | thanks |
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| 21:32.03 | chris_abyi | hey.. I'm searchin for a tutorial in creating an etch 32 chroot... does anyone here know one? |
| 21:32.08 | marijuana-brasil | i was having many problems with fedora 7, but debian runs very fast, i don't know why |
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| 21:33.19 | chops | chris_abyi: Google "debian 32-bit chroot" |
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| 21:33.48 | satupuluh | davidL: how's your fan ? |
| 21:34.32 | davidL | satupuluh: all of my fans are running at 100% right now, but I need to turn a few of them off |
| 21:35.06 | bronze- | Everytime I try to install Debian (binary cd1, netinstall, base system+desktop environment), everyting installs smoothless until it's installing GRUB. It just stops at "The Following packages will be installed: grub". |
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| 21:35.33 | robboplus | what is the simplest way of cutting whole traffic coming from a given ip? |
| 21:35.37 | solitude | bronze- |
| 21:35.40 | robboplus | to/from that is |
| 21:35.49 | solitude | grub has "unknown competibility issues with certain systems" |
| 21:35.49 | solitude | ie, itll scerw up and nobody has worked out why |
| 21:35.49 | wols_ | robboplus: iptables |
| 21:35.52 | solitude | use lilo |
| 21:35.54 | chris_abyi | chops: thanks! |
| 21:35.54 | chris_abyi | :) |
| 21:35.58 | tarzeau | what language is this? and what does it say? http://joystick.istheshit.net/ |
| 21:36.01 | chops | chris_abyi: np |
| 21:36.09 | robboplus | wols do i have to have a full script set up or a single rule would be enough? |
| 21:36.09 | tarzeau | robboplus: trickle? (if it's tcp) |
| 21:36.19 | robboplus | tarzeau hm |
| 21:36.32 | solitude | tarzeau |
| 21:36.34 | solitude | something notdic |
| 21:36.34 | robboplus | tarzeau i just want to make sure that that ip can't reach my box and services at all |
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| 21:36.40 | wols_ | tarzeau: scandinavian. danish or swrdhish |
| 21:36.40 | solitude | nordic* |
| 21:36.44 | robboplus | and yes, those are tcp |
| 21:36.46 | solitude | looks swedish to me. |
| 21:36.51 | wols_ | imho swedish |
| 21:36.56 | solitude | its not danish wols_ |
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| 21:38.01 | bronze- | solitude: I don't think that's the problem, because I have used GRUB with Ubuntu, Kubuntu and even with Debian base system. |
| 21:38.13 | davidL | what is a possible explanation as to why there is nothing in /proc/acpi/fan? |
| 21:38.28 | bronze- | solitude: How do I install debian with LILO? By default it uses GRUB. |
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| 21:39.22 | ogeidix | hi, could someone explain me where put a bash alias accessible from the ssh users ? |
| 21:39.34 | satupuluh | davidL: what fan ? |
| 21:39.36 | solitude | bronze-, its a grub incompetibility wth hardware |
| 21:39.37 | cycom | Why is there no wheel group in debian? |
| 21:39.48 | solitude | not linux distro. |
| 21:39.59 | satupuluh | davidL: i have my fan state in my proc |
| 21:40.49 | satupuluh | davidL: are you sure that fan is a kind of fan that is controlled by acpi |
| 21:41.14 | nami1 | /nick|home |
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| 21:41.52 | davidL | satupuluh: yes, I was able to set the fan speed from windows, and all the fans are connected directly to the motherboard |
| 21:42.12 | dashs | There a way to run wmv codec 9 files in etch? |
| 21:42.16 | kadjo | hello all, what repository i need to enable just to have a gpdf package? |
| 21:42.18 | satupuluh | cycom: you can set one if you need too |
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| 21:42.31 | satupuluh | davidL: lsmod | grep fan |
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| 21:42.46 | PhinnFort | !codecs | dashs |
| 21:42.50 | davidL | output from: lsmod | grep fan |
| 21:42.51 | davidL | fan 4868 0 |
| 21:43.15 | cycom | satupuluh: Yeah, I was just curious becase many systems have it by default. I just added it. |
| 21:43.27 | dashs | PhinnFort: don't undrstand, sorry. |
| 21:43.37 | Azar | kadjo: if your package is non-free, add "... non-free contrib" at the end of each source, aptitude update |
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| 21:43.47 | chops | dashs: w32codecs from marillat |
| 21:44.11 | kadjo | thanks Azar |
| 21:44.24 | alexIdoia | I have found the keyboards layout that I was looking for in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/ |
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| 21:44.45 | alexIdoia | my question is that what is the key F1 for exemple ? |
| 21:45.03 | davidL | satupuluh: did you see the output above? |
| 21:45.33 | alexIdoia | the key 1! is <AE01> but what are th function key ? |
| 21:46.12 | alexIdoia | do anyone know about this ? |
| 21:46.13 | Azar | alexIdoia: F1 through F6 changes terminals, F6 > up switches to X terminals |
| 21:46.40 | alexIdoia | yes but I want to use those key to customised my keyboard layout |
| 21:47.03 | alexIdoia | I found the files that maps my characteres to the keys |
| 21:47.22 | alexIdoia | but I don't know the id of a function key |
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| 21:47.39 | davidL | what do you want to map to your function keys? |
| 21:48.21 | alexIdoia | a e with an accent for ex |
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| 21:48.27 | alexIdoia | davidL: ^^ |
| 21:48.28 | Azar | meh sorry never needed to play with my keyboard layout |
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| 21:49.49 | davidL | you're probably better off using xmodmap to map your keys |
| 21:50.06 | alexIdoia | xmodmap ? |
| 21:50.37 | davidL | man xmodmap |
| 21:50.53 | alexIdoia | davidL: but can I use a function key ? |
| 21:50.56 | Azar | alexIdoia: I googled for you: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=470780 << add your issue to that thread |
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| 21:51.32 | alexIdoia | Azar: I have done this and found a quite good tutorial, the only thing is that none speaks about the function keys |
| 21:51.35 | davidL | yeah, you should be able to modify function keys |
| 21:52.34 | streuner | kadjo: please turn that off |
| 21:53.00 | alexIdoia | all I need really is to know the keycode of function keys |
| 21:53.06 | Azar | alexIdoia: then you got all you could from google and here. |
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| 21:55.43 | robboplus | is it difficult to make iptables log stuff? like a personal log for given incidents |
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| 21:56.47 | chops | robboplus: There's a log target |
| 21:56.50 | robboplus | e.g. if i made it to drop connections to given host i would it to tell me each time such connection is being blocked |
| 21:56.56 | chops | robboplus: So no, it's not difficult :-) |
| 21:57.00 | robboplus | would like it* |
| 21:57.18 | robboplus | chops but can i have any target set? like a path and text file? |
| 21:57.30 | robboplus | or does it go elsewhere? |
| 21:57.36 | alexIdoia | Azar: I am sorry but I don't understand |
| 21:57.48 | chops | robboplus: It goes to syslog; you may be able to configure iptables and/or syslog to direct it to a log of your choise |
| 21:57.50 | chops | *choice |
| 21:58.14 | robboplus | chops thank you, will do some reading then |
| 21:58.26 | Azar | alexIdoia: I do not understand you.... why do you need to change your keyboard mapping< you need a different language? |
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| 21:58.47 | Gigantic | .!boo |
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| 21:59.02 | Azar | alexIdoia: you need to put A where W is, T where S is? what do you want? |
| 21:59.21 | alexIdoia | Azar: yes I write in two languages and I found it difficult to change keyboards layout, i would like to add éèê and the like to function keys |
| 21:59.28 | pickcoder | davidL: I have the same issues, even with ACPI enabled in BIOS |
| 21:59.50 | Gigantic | alexIdoia: did you try skim ? |
| 22:00.01 | Azar | alexIdoia: then you could change your locales (for a different language) doubt it will work in 2 languages at same time |
| 22:00.07 | alexIdoia | no but this is the third app I would have to try to understand |
| 22:00.17 | Gigantic | alexIdoia: you change layout with a combination of keys, and also can add shurtcuts to specific keys |
| 22:00.23 | davidL | pickcoder: what's the reason behind them? lack of support in kernel? |
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| 22:00.40 | alexIdoia | Azar: no that would need me to change layout each time I want a special character, this is unworkable |
| 22:00.42 | pickcoder | davidL: I dunno. |
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| 22:00.57 | alexIdoia | Gigantic: yes but that is not handy in terms of typing |
| 22:00.57 | Azar | alexIdoia: then follow Gigantic he knows the tricks |
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| 22:01.36 | Gigantic | alexIdoia: what are you talking about |
| 22:01.56 | Azar | Gigantic: he wants to use two kind of different locales at same time |
| 22:01.56 | Gigantic | alexIdoia: I use 4 layouts with no probs |
| 22:02.07 | pickcoder | davidL: I have Asus boards and even with asus_acpi loaded I still don't see any thermal or fan info |
| 22:02.13 | Gigantic | Azar: mmm |
| 22:02.17 | alexIdoia | Gigantic: but that is not what I want |
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| 22:02.26 | alexIdoia | I want a mix of two layouts into one |
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| 22:02.30 | Azar | oh sorry, then I still did not understand you |
| 22:02.39 | Gigantic | alexIdoia: Two layouts at the same time on the same computer at the same time? |
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| 22:02.55 | Gigantic | alexIdoia: In that case you can build your own layout |
| 22:02.56 | alexIdoia | so basically the us layout with additional character that I thought of mapping onto the function keys |
| 22:03.11 | alexIdoia | Gigantic: that is it, and that is what I am trying to do |
| 22:03.25 | alexIdoia | so I am in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols |
| 22:03.42 | Gigantic | :) good luck |
| 22:03.44 | subx | part #debian |
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| 22:03.52 | Azar | get the manufacturer's instructions for your keyboard :) |
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| 22:03.54 | alexIdoia | that mapps chars to keys and all I am asking is to know the key code for a function keys |
| 22:04.13 | alexIdoia | oh guys you'r not helping :( |
| 22:04.22 | pickcoder | davidL: I just read something about fan control only working if sleep states are disabled on 2.6.17 to 2.6.19 |
| 22:04.27 | Azar | try #hardware man |
| 22:04.45 | satupuluh | davidL: seems your not alone huh :D |
| 22:04.52 | davidL | guess so ;) |
| 22:04.57 | davidL | oh well |
| 22:05.03 | pickcoder | ACPI control should work properly on 2.6.20+ |
| 22:05.14 | davidL | I'm running 2.6.21 |
| 22:05.19 | Gigantic | -away ... |
| 22:05.23 | Gigantic | oops Ñp |
| 22:05.29 | pickcoder | what has a 21 kernel? |
| 22:05.31 | pickcoder | sid? |
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| 22:05.36 | davidL | yead |
| 22:05.38 | pickcoder | oh |
| 22:05.38 | Gigantic | wrong layout :) |
| 22:05.40 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 22:05.43 | pickcoder | that's not surprising then |
| 22:06.07 | mick_home | does anyone know of a PDF app that does bookmarking and highlighting? |
| 22:06.58 | karsten | mick_home: kpdf orthe gnome pdf viewer, maybe? Otherwise adobe's acrobat reader, but it's evil. |
| 22:07.06 | armbar | is there any way to run adduser in a bash script with out interaction |
| 22:07.24 | karsten | armbar: what do you expect? |
| 22:07.28 | mick_home | karsten: i use kpdf - where is highlight or bookmarking? |
| 22:07.57 | karsten | mick_home: I wasn't sure if they did that, but either gnome or KDE's viewers would be your best bets IMO. |
| 22:07.59 | mick_home | armbar: you can use expect (or Expect::Simple in Perl) |
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| 22:08.12 | mick_home | :-/ |
| 22:08.27 | karsten | mick_home: Feh. Ruined a perfectly good joke. |
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| 22:08.40 | Azar | karsten: haha good one :) |
| 22:09.13 | mick_home | a "good" joke - now *that* is funny ;) |
| 22:09.19 | satupuluh | armbar: useradd |
| 22:09.43 | armbar | user add is safe to run |
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| 22:09.58 | satupuluh | armbar: safe ?? |
| 22:10.00 | karsten | mick_home: Well, "perfectly good joke" *was* the punch line. |
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| 22:12.18 | Azar | alexIdoia: you were reading this tutorial? http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/6401/1/ |
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| 22:13.44 | karsten | Feh. 500MB of dist-upgrade. |
| 22:14.23 | x_link | Azar: I'm doing it the Debian-way now =) |
| 22:14.36 | x_link | karsten: That happened to be 3 days ago. |
| 22:14.43 | Azar | lots and lotsssss of mb |
| 22:14.44 | pickcoder | karsten: just make sure you have a 2.6 kernel on it. <g> |
| 22:14.50 | x_link | I was on Testing, and it upgraded the kernel etc. |
| 22:15.01 | x_link | That's why it was alot. |
| 22:15.10 | x_link | And the time before that it upgraded KDE 3.5.5 to KDE 3.5.7 |
| 22:15.29 | armbar | satupuluh: no, clear text is ok |
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| 22:16.27 | bronze- | Everytime I try to install Debian (binary cd1, netinstall, base system+desktop environment), everyting installs smoothless until it's installing GRUB. It just stops at "The Following packages will be installed: grub". |
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| 22:17.47 | MatBoy | is it not possible to install netdirector on debian ? |
| 22:17.50 | synopsis | can someone help me with inetd and install pure-ftpd? |
| 22:18.01 | karsten | bronze-: "smoothless"? |
| 22:18.12 | pickcoder | heh |
| 22:18.32 | karsten | "Debian: It's smoothless!" |
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| 22:19.08 | pickcoder | it's got grip? |
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| 22:19.30 | satupuluh | armbar: what are you trying to do ? |
| 22:19.37 | Azar | mannn I knew grub is evil! |
| 22:19.51 | satupuluh | armbar: vim /usr/sbin/adduser |
| 22:19.56 | x_link | Should I really install xserver-xfree86? |
| 22:20.02 | satupuluh | armbar: clear text ? |
| 22:20.03 | x_link | I use X11 |
| 22:20.23 | Azar | not only is friday night someplaces but is the 13th too!!! #debian gets spooky |
| 22:20.30 | armbar | satupuluh: I am going to install 10 debian systems and want to script some of the task like adding user, etc. |
| 22:20.53 | x_link | Azar: Step 5: Installing and configuring the nvidia glx X driver |
| 22:20.54 | x_link | Install the last few packages: |
| 22:21.02 | x_link | opps sorry |
| 22:21.04 | Azar | armbar: "adduser "John" audio" |
| 22:21.10 | synopsis | can anyone help me with pure-ftpd? |
| 22:21.13 | bronze- | karsten: haha, flawless, my bad. |
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| 22:21.20 | x_link | Azar: http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt can yuo just take a look on Step 5 thre. |
| 22:21.26 | bronze- | karsten, I think I mixed flawless and smooth |
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| 22:21.38 | x_link | It says that I should install "xserver-xfree86", but I use X11. |
| 22:21.46 | x_link | Azar: I don't know if I should install that or not? |
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| 22:22.03 | karsten | bronze-: I like it. |
| 22:22.17 | karsten | bronze-: Almost as good as "high-scraper" (russian woman describing tall buildings) |
| 22:22.27 | robboplus | lol |
| 22:22.30 | bronze- | haha |
| 22:22.39 | synopsis | gyar, is there anyway |
| 22:22.42 | synopsis | to remove inetd? |
| 22:22.57 | robboplus | aye |
| 22:23.08 | synopsis | do you know how? |
| 22:23.14 | synopsis | i dunno if its a necessary service or not |
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| 22:23.27 | bronze- | But is there a way to install debian with lilo instead of grub, because I only get the option to use grub... |
| 22:23.28 | robboplus | synopsis ... |
| 22:23.35 | synopsis | lol, wha? |
| 22:23.40 | synopsis | i dunno how to uninstall it |
| 22:23.44 | robboplus | i think you are trolling |
| 22:23.49 | synopsis | cause its running something on the FTP port |
| 22:23.50 | Azar | lol-ers at the dorr |
| 22:23.52 | synopsis | and I can't get it to remove |
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| 22:23.57 | x_link | wols_: http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt Can you just take a look at Step 5: ? |
| 22:24.14 | x_link | wols_: It says that I should install xserver-xfree86, but I use X11. Should I install it anyway or? |
| 22:25.37 | x_link | Azar: Have a minute? |
| 22:26.03 | armbar | this add a user but does not set the password as pass1. useradd user1 -p pass1 |
| 22:27.21 | Thursley | why isn't there a package that will create a wedding speech for me? : / a lot harder than I thought |
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| 22:29.23 | stew | yay, its beer o'clock |
| 22:29.32 | stew | Thursley: there are onling wedding speech generators |
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| 22:30.08 | ricky | Hehe. |
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| 22:30.31 | amar-ze | anyone uses galaxium? |
| 22:30.34 | amar-ze | cant install it |
| 22:30.37 | amar-ze | says.. |
| 22:30.46 | amar-ze | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 22:30.46 | amar-ze | is only available from another source |
| 22:30.55 | infernal_jesus | iwconfig cannot find any wireless extensions, eth1 is my ethernet interface, and I guess eth0 should be wireless but it cannot see it |
| 22:31.04 | infernal_jesus | and I've installed ipw3945 and ipw3945 |
| 22:31.09 | infernal_jesus | do I need to reboot? |
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| 22:31.30 | stew | infernal_jesus: you need to make sure you have the firmware package installed and the daemon (ipw3945d) installed |
| 22:31.59 | stew | infernal_jesus: but no, you don't have to reboot. and one of eth0 or eth1 could be a firewire device that you weren't expecting to have been assigned an eth name, /msg dpkg z25 |
| 22:32.31 | infernal_jesus | I think eth0 is the firewire device |
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| 22:32.47 | infernal_jesus | i do have the firmware package instqalled and ipw3945d |
| 22:33.12 | infernal_jesus | stew: I run 'ipw3945' and get '2007-07-13 13:32:51: ERROR: Could not find Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection |
| 22:33.17 | Guiwald | ++ |
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| 22:33.28 | stew | infernal_jesus: you don't run the daemon, you modprobe the firmware and it runs it |
| 22:33.42 | stew | (or so I gether for what people say here, i don't actually have such a device) |
| 22:33.52 | themill | stew: modprobe the kernel module not the firmware :) |
| 22:34.03 | stew | right |
| 22:34.21 | infernal_jesus | what is the name of the kernel module? :p |
| 22:34.29 | stew | infernal_jesus: ipw3945 |
| 22:34.51 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 22:35.05 | HomeRoey | hello |
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| 22:35.13 | x_link | Metod to choose the monitors preferences |
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| 22:35.20 | infernal_jesus | stew: I did that, but it didn't find it, that's why I asked :P |
| 22:35.22 | x_link | Simple Medium Advanced, what should I pick? |
| 22:35.23 | HomeRoey | Does anyone know if this bug has been fixed yet? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=432326 |
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| 22:35.43 | o2T | hi |
| 22:35.48 | themill | infernal_jesus: have you installed the ipw3945-modules- package for your kernel? |
| 22:35.56 | stew | infernal_jesus: you did what and what didn't find what? |
| 22:36.10 | o2T | Some english2spanish translation for linux? |
| 22:36.19 | o2T | translator* |
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| 22:36.40 | pipeline | o2T: Translation software is extremely difficult to develop, and, as such, expensive. Use babelfish or google. :\ |
| 22:37.30 | infernal_jesus | themill: it appears that ieee80211 subsystem is not installed |
| 22:37.41 | o2T | pipeline: thank you :) |
| 22:37.49 | infernal_jesus | and when I try to install it it tells me that it cannot find a directory |
| 22:37.57 | stew | infernal_jesus: how are you trying to install it? |
| 22:38.07 | stew | infernal_jesus: it should be included in your kernel, what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:38.16 | Greyscale | !xgl |
| 22:38.17 | dpkg | [xgl] the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 22:38.22 | themill | infernal_jesus: what kernel are you running? are you running etch? more details please :) |
| 22:38.25 | Greyscale | !xgl-howto |
| 22:38.25 | dpkg | i guess xgl-howto is xgl may or may not work on your system. Currently supports nVidia/ATI. http://battlehorse.homelinux.net/w/Wiki.jsp?page=Xgl |
| 22:39.17 | infernal_jesus | themill etch |
| 22:39.47 | infernal_jesus | I have the 2.6.18 kernel |
| 22:40.10 | stew | infernal_jesus: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:40.34 | infernal_jesus | stew: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 22:40.45 | stew | infernal_jesus: and what happens when you run "/sbin/modinfo ieee80211"? |
| 22:40.48 | Rug | I need some guidance with my server. (basic LAMP) If I run TOP it shows mysqld at 3% cpu 10% mem, and python at 1% cpu 10% mem, but the box feels like a 286 when I access it. (it's running torrentFlux and my Amarok mysql DB) It's on my LAN so it should be alot speedier. |
| 22:40.51 | x_link | stew: Now I have installed it the Debian Way =) |
| 22:41.39 | infernal_jesus | stew: modinfo: could not open /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko: No such file or directory |
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| 22:41.48 | themill | infernal_jesus: and what happens when you aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-4-686 ? |
| 22:41.57 | stew | Rug: show us a few lines of output from "vmstat 1" from when it is being slow, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 22:42.23 | infernal_jesus | themill: The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: libneon26 |
| 22:42.23 | stew | infernal_jesus: try "aptitude reinstall linux-image-$(uname -r)" then try "/sbin/modinfo ieee80211" again |
| 22:42.24 | Rug | stew: ok one sec... |
| 22:42.39 | infernal_jesus | reinstall my kernel? |
| 22:42.48 | stew | infernal_jesus: yes |
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| 22:43.15 | infernal_jesus | wouldn't it be easier to just edit the .configure file add ieee80211 and then make modules_install ? |
| 22:43.21 | stew | infernal_jesus: ieee80211 is normally included with your kernel, for some reason you don't have it |
| 22:43.26 | Rug | http://pastebin.com/d5977790b |
| 22:43.27 | stew | infernal_jesus: why would you want to build your own kernel? |
| 22:43.43 | infernal_jesus | stew: I just want to add ieee80211 in it |
| 22:44.00 | stew | infernal_jesus: its already included with your kernel |
| 22:44.16 | infernal_jesus | oh ok |
| 22:44.58 | stew | infernal_jesus: but for some reason it has gone missing on your machine, so i'm suggesting reinstalling your kernel, which should replace the missing ieee80211 |
| 22:45.08 | infernal_jesus | it's reinstalling |
| 22:45.08 | stew | Rug: hmm, doesn't look like there is much of anything going on there |
| 22:45.19 | Rug | yeah that's my point.... |
| 22:45.42 | infernal_jesus | stew: now modinfo ieee80211 gives me some info |
| 22:45.55 | infernal_jesus | so I guess it's installed |
| 22:46.06 | stew | infernal_jesus: modprobe -r ipw3945 ; modprobe iee80211 ; modprobe ipw3945 |
| 22:46.27 | stew | (and the 'modprobe iee80211' is probably not needed) |
| 22:46.28 | Rug | stew: even a simple test.php takes a noticable 1 second to show on the screen |
| 22:46.44 | stew | Rug: did this output include that test? |
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| 22:47.17 | Rug | nope, the server is 'busy' doing a bunch of things, but not enough to account for the lag... |
| 22:47.37 | jameshuse | hello |
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| 22:47.43 | Rug | could it be the software raid? |
| 22:48.02 | infernal_jesus | stew: I'm having trouble installing the ipw3945 module as well |
| 22:48.19 | infernal_jesus | it tells me it can't find the ieee80211 module |
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| 22:48.57 | infernal_jesus | stew: but when I point it to the path which 'modinfo' gives me it still can't find it |
| 22:49.11 | themill | infernal_jesus, stew: depmod perhaps? |
| 22:49.32 | themill | infernal_jesus, stew: modules can be pretty unhappy when installed but not rebooted or at least depmod'ed. |
| 22:49.59 | infernal_jesus | I'll try and reboot |
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| 22:51.41 | sdschulze | Why does Xorg load modules even though I don't have 'Modules' section in my xorg.conf? And how can I prevent loading the dri module? |
| 22:51.57 | stew | themill: reinstalling the kernel package would run depmod |
| 22:52.21 | sdschulze | xserver-xorg is 7.2-5 |
| 22:52.49 | satupuluh | sdschulze: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:53.13 | themill | stew: that's sort of what I expected, although the kernel package does complain about installing and not rebooting with all sorts of dire warnings and tells you that your modules will be hosed until you do. I've never looked into to it to see if that's right but presume that the clever ppl who put that warning in there were right :) |
| 22:53.36 | sdschulze | satupuluh: It doesn't ask me which modules to load. |
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| 22:54.33 | Greyscale_ | wrong button |
| 22:54.42 | satupuluh | sdschulze: ooo, did i miss something :( |
| 22:54.44 | stew | themill: that's replacing one kernel with a newer debian version of the same kernel, not reinstalling the current kernel, though |
| 22:55.22 | themill | stew: fair call. But I'm guessing that if modules have gone missing then there's something much more sinister at work anyway... |
| 22:55.27 | vulture | I'm having difficulty creating/installing lirc modules. lirc-modules-source builds (think I got the right IRQ, but I'm not sure how to specify the port number (trying to get an mceusb2 device working)) but the resulting package installs an mceusb2.o file (to a weird location, too) which doesn't load with "modprobe lirc_dev" of course |
| 22:55.47 | sdschulze | satupuluh: It was like that quite some time ago, IIRC. |
| 22:55.53 | vulture | Has anyone here got lirc working (with mceusb2 or any other device) recently? |
| 22:56.00 | satupuluh | sdschulze: so, edit your xorg.conf then |
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| 22:56.53 | sdschulze | satupuluh: Well, not modules are mentioned there. |
| 22:56.58 | sdschulze | But it's loads them anyway. |
| 22:57.03 | sdschulze | -'s |
| 22:57.30 | satupuluh | sdschulze: gdm restart |
| 22:57.55 | sdschulze | what about that? |
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| 22:58.46 | satupuluh | sdschulze: you did restart your gdm, didn't you ? |
| 22:58.52 | sdschulze | yes |
| 22:58.56 | Roey | Does anyone know if this bug has been fixed yet? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=432326 |
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| 22:59.29 | satupuluh | sdschulze: so it is done |
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| 22:59.34 | infernal_jesus | hey |
| 22:59.34 | karsten | Is CUPS using some sort of back-end database now? I'm getting "413 Request Entity Too Large" trying to add a printer. |
| 22:59.44 | infernal_jesus | stew themill: hey, same thing happens |
| 22:59.50 | infernal_jesus | can't find the ieee80211 module |
| 23:00.09 | sdschulze | satupuluh: Xorg.0.log says it loads the dri module. |
| 23:00.30 | stew | !find ieee80211.ko stable |
| 23:00.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ieee80211.ko' (3 of 10): (/usr/lib/uml/modules/2.6.18/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko) in misc/user-mode-linux ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-486. |
| 23:01.25 | infernal_jesus | stew: modinfo tells me it's here - /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko |
| 23:01.58 | infernal_jesus | stew: so I did make IEEE80211_INC=/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko |
| 23:02.04 | infernal_jesus | and it still can't find it |
| 23:02.25 | stew | infernal_jesus: make? wait, what are you building? |
| 23:02.32 | infernal_jesus | ipw3945 |
| 23:02.36 | satupuluh | sdschulze: how can ? |
| 23:02.40 | infernal_jesus | the ipw3945 module |
| 23:02.49 | themill | infernal_jesus: you don't need to make anything for ipw3945 |
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| 23:02.57 | stew | infernal_jesus: there is no reason to make it: "aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r)" |
| 23:03.00 | satupuluh | sdschulze: if it reads your conf. then it should not load it right |
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| 23:03.23 | alcofibras | independent electronic music, videogames, and stuff! www.netherself.net |
| 23:03.32 | sdschulze | satupuluh: That's why I'm asking. |
| 23:03.40 | abrotman | alcofibras: go away |
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| 23:04.16 | infernal_jesus | stew: that worked :) |
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| 23:04.20 | abrotman | he probably really needs a k-line based on his list of channels |
| 23:04.21 | infernal_jesus | used slackware before debian |
| 23:04.36 | infernal_jesus | so I kinda got used to doing everything manually without aptitude |
| 23:04.38 | abrotman | thanks staff! |
| 23:04.52 | ricky | :) |
| 23:04.52 | stew | abrotman: told richih |
| 23:04.54 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 23:04.56 | satupuluh | sdschulze: i 've run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:04.57 | stew | oh, but too late |
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| 23:05.02 | infernal_jesus | stew: and I installed and ran ipw3945 without problem on it, btw :P |
| 23:05.10 | satupuluh | sdschulze: it did ask me what module to load |
| 23:05.13 | RichiH | stew: aye, i already had him |
| 23:05.15 | RichiH | thanks, though :) |
| 23:05.20 | stew | hah, actually i told dpkg in a /query instead of richih |
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| 23:07.09 | streuner | RichiH: what are you doing tomorrow? |
| 23:07.17 | streuner | RichiH: heat! ;-) |
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| 23:07.27 | RichiH | streuner: grill, what else? |
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| 23:07.52 | streuner | RichiH: surely 35 C. |
| 23:08.19 | abrotman | wussies |
| 23:08.20 | RichiH | they predicted 37c for munich |
| 23:08.29 | sdschulze | satupuluh: what xserver-xorg version? |
| 23:08.34 | k8 | can you help me http://s10.bitefight.it/c.php?uid=31458 thank! |
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| 23:09.02 | cast | morning |
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| 23:09.35 | satupuluh | sdschulze: 7.1.0-16 |
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| 23:09.51 | infernal_jesus | Ok, ipw3945d is running, but iwconfig still can't find wireless extensions |
| 23:09.55 | abrotman | more freaking spam ? |
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| 23:10.18 | infernal_jesus | stew: any ideas? :P |
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| 23:11.50 | themill | infernal_jesus: any log messages? |
| 23:11.55 | stew | infernal_jesus: modprobe -r ipw3945 ; modprobe ipw3945 ; and see what dmesg has to say |
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| 23:12.49 | infernal_jesus | ipw3945: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection |
| 23:12.49 | infernal_jesus | ipw3945: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On: |
| 23:12.49 | infernal_jesus | Kill switch must be turned off for wireless networking to work. |
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| 23:12.56 | themill | infernal_jesus: do you have an RF kill switch? it might be a key (e.g. Fn+F2) or it might be a real switch. |
| 23:13.13 | infernal_jesus | yeah Fn+F2 |
| 23:13.15 | themill | infernal_jesus: nothing happens while the radio is turned off :) |
| 23:13.30 | infernal_jesus | yeah |
| 23:13.35 | infernal_jesus | the killswitch was on |
| 23:13.38 | infernal_jesus | for some reason :P |
| 23:13.57 | sdschulze | satupuluh: 7.2-5 here |
| 23:14.06 | sdschulze | might be some reason |
| 23:14.20 | satupuluh | sdschulze: argh :( |
| 23:14.26 | satupuluh | sdschulze: sorry |
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| 23:16.07 | sdschulze | satupuluh: etch? |
| 23:16.54 | satupuluh | sdschulze: stable |
| 23:17.21 | satupuluh | sdschulze: i wonder what will happened if you renamed the modules :D |
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| 23:17.53 | satupuluh | sdschulze: will it stop to run when you restart it |
| 23:17.59 | satupuluh | sdschulze: :D |
| 23:18.19 | themill | stew: is it possible to add "modprobe -r ipw3945; modprobe ipw3945 and make sure the radio is turned (say Fn+F2)" to the dpkg factoid on ipw3945? |
| 23:18.35 | themill | stew: it's a question that's coming up once or twice a day. |
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| 23:19.00 | Gigantic | !tell me about faq |
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| 23:23.31 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 23:23.31 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
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| 23:28.10 | Nyle | rahul: you here, or there? |
| 23:28.14 | rahul | yes |
| 23:28.23 | Nyle | msg |
| 23:28.27 | rahul | k |
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| 23:31.55 | unlink | how do i configure the subject line of cron emails? "Cron <root@kwaitsing> cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly" is a pretty disgusting subject line |
| 23:32.22 | gonzaloaf | is there a issue with nvidia drivers with lenny? |
| 23:32.45 | gonzaloaf | I have updated all my packages yesterday, now I cant load the nvidia driver |
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| 23:33.24 | {Phoinix} | http://pastebin.ca/618432 any ideas? |
| 23:33.31 | cast | gonzaloaf: check the bts? |
| 23:33.56 | karsten | In the event you ever needed to know what HTTP error codes *really* mean: http://www.webmasterworld.com/foo/3032104.htm |
| 23:34.07 | cast | there was definitely nvidia/linux issues for some people a week or so ago, they might have been sid users though |
| 23:34.41 | cast | {Phoinix}: and does aptitude work? |
| 23:35.05 | abrotman | apt-get -f install |
| 23:35.30 | {Phoinix} | abrotman, it's a production system.. this could damage the system? |
| 23:35.48 | abrotman | {Phoinix}: paste your sources ... /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:35.55 | zinx | sid still seems to have problems wrt nvidia |
| 23:36.11 | zinx | nvidia-glx conflicts with xserver-xorg-core :D |
| 23:36.20 | gonzaloaf | zinx, cast, but I use lenny, I shouldt have problems |
| 23:36.29 | abrotman | lenny is testing .. problems happen |
| 23:36.34 | {Phoinix} | http://pastebin.ca/618436 |
| 23:36.41 | gonzaloaf | I have the correct packages installed |
| 23:37.25 | abrotman | {Phoinix}: try an aptitude update .. then try again |
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| 23:38.52 | {Phoinix} | nahhh :( didn't work |
| 23:38.54 | {Phoinix} | http://pastebin.ca/618441 |
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| 23:39.16 | haluk | hi folk how can i completely remove postgresql8.2(aptitude purge isnt enough) |
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| 23:39.28 | {Phoinix} | if i force it, whould there be considerable risk to the system? |
| 23:39.34 | {Phoinix} | Cause it's a production system |
| 23:39.40 | gonzaloaf | module assistant asks for nividia-kernel-source file |
| 23:39.57 | cast | {Phoinix}: i'd throw in a aptitude upgrade too, |
| 23:40.24 | haluk | hi folk how can i completely remove postgresql8.2(aptitude purge isnt enough) |
| 23:40.36 | cast | haluk: purge it, rm the rest |
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| 23:41.15 | haluk | cast: aptitude purge doesnt remove its dependencies |
| 23:41.22 | haluk | right? |
| 23:41.49 | cast | haluk: uh...aptitude will remove unused dependencies |
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| 23:42.09 | haluk | umm ok 10x |
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| 23:42.54 | benje | hello the libapache2-mod-php5 failed with can't call method "description" of an undefinied value at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Question.pm line 93, <GEN0> line 1 |
| 23:43.43 | benje | post-installation script out state 9 |
| 23:43.53 | MangosDebian | evening |
| 23:43.58 | benje | there an other problem with ndiswrapper in etch |
| 23:44.05 | benje | a line need an == 0 |
| 23:44.21 | benje | at the end to have a good end |
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| 23:44.31 | benje | evening MangosDebian |
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| 23:46.19 | benje | for the ndiwrapper i know how to do but inthis case i don't know |
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| 23:47.27 | benje | after a system call the return in perl is the opposite si it's need ==0 to not give message after or |
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| 23:47.58 | benje | it's a fresh install of etch on x86 |
| 23:49.06 | abrotman | benje: what's the full error ? |
| 23:49.30 | benje | i paste you but is in french |
| 23:49.39 | abrotman | erm .. might be okay |
| 23:51.03 | benje | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29871 abrotman |
| 23:51.19 | benje | and for ndiswrapper i can give you to |
| 23:51.39 | benje | it's append when there an entry for the card |
| 23:52.02 | DawnLight | how do i get audio alarms from lm-sensors? |
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| 23:53.11 | abrotman | benje: which debconf interface did you choose ? |
| 23:53.27 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: lm-sensors can do audio alarms? |
| 23:53.29 | benje | abrotman, i let this from default |
| 23:54.03 | abrotman | make sure your debconf is the correct vresion currently in etch |
| 23:54.14 | DawnLight | not that i know of, MangosDebian |
| 23:54.18 | benje | i install from netboot |
| 23:55.05 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: well, I suppose you could always go with something like swatch then and parse the logs for the event. Provided you know what a sample event looks like in the first place |
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| 23:55.50 | DawnLight | this is too generic, there has to be something ready made |
| 23:55.53 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: unfortunately, 0.1% of software actually allow you to "simulate" catastrohpic failures |
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| 23:56.04 | DawnLight | he |
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| 23:57.22 | vorpal | DawnLight: i bet if you googled around you would find something closer to what you need. maybe a little customization would be necessary, but hey, this is open source, so at least you can do that :-) |
| 23:57.23 | benje | it's 1.5.11 abrotman |
| 23:58.13 | abrotman | !info debconf etch |
| 23:58.16 | dpkg | debconf: (Debian configuration management system), section admin, is required. Version: 1.5.11 (etch), Packaged size: 142 kB, Installed size: 1488 kB |
| 23:59.25 | DawnLight | gnome's sensors-applet and kde's ksensors do have audio alarms and can run commands but i want something to run as a background process |
| 23:59.47 | DawnLight | something that is user-independent |
