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| 00:02.29 | benje | abrotman, it use dialog |
| 00:02.54 | vorpal | DawnLight: time to do some hacking? ;-) |
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| 00:06.40 | benje | i ndiswrapper-1.9 it's at line 717 |
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| 00:07.23 | securi | Hi |
| 00:07.27 | benje | system("echo \"alias wlan0 ndiswrapper\" >>$modconf") or bysystem("echo \"alias wlan0 ndiswrapper\" >>$modconf")==0 or |
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| 00:07.42 | tuliox | haha i got banned from #ubuntu |
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| 00:07.56 | securi | i tried installing debian via net installer so i dont get all the junk stuff such as the games, 2 different web browers etc but its gone and installed them all again! |
| 00:08.04 | securi | can someone point out where i went wrong please? |
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| 00:08.44 | benje | securi, when tasksel ask you just choose base |
| 00:08.50 | benje | no desktop or else |
| 00:09.22 | benje | and after install xorg if you want graphic |
| 00:09.51 | benje | securi, do you use a preseed ? |
| 00:10.11 | securi | preseed? |
| 00:10.16 | benje | so not |
| 00:10.26 | securi | when it asks me to choose base i clikc a couple of them |
| 00:10.29 | securi | i shouldnt clikc any? |
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| 00:10.42 | benje | the last not desktop |
| 00:10.59 | benje | standard if i good remenber |
| 00:11.05 | benje | remember |
| 00:11.10 | benje | well |
| 00:11.22 | vorpal | securi: tasksel is a very "coarse-grained" installation. you probably want a minimal install and then add what things you need |
| 00:11.31 | benje | i have to practice more english |
| 00:12.01 | securi | vorpal thats right |
| 00:12.06 | securi | how do i choose minimal install? |
| 00:12.11 | securi | what does minimal install include? |
| 00:12.42 | benje | no graphic and related application |
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| 00:12.55 | benje | just the minimal needed |
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| 00:13.41 | benje | abrotman, ? any idee |
| 00:13.45 | securi | i need a GUI |
| 00:13.51 | securi | like a desktop etc |
| 00:13.51 | securi | but no office |
| 00:13.52 | securi | or anything |
| 00:13.53 | securi | like that |
| 00:14.00 | benje | securi, you install it after |
| 00:14.12 | vorpal | securi: you can always add those things later. it is easier that trying to remove things |
| 00:14.24 | vorpal | than trying* |
| 00:14.31 | zsircusr | apt-get? |
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| 00:15.29 | zsircusr | i installed last night just terminal how do iget gnome installed |
| 00:15.41 | vorpal | zsircusr: aptitude |
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| 00:15.50 | zsircusr | apt-get install gnome? |
| 00:15.51 | securi | so how do i just install the base then? |
| 00:16.39 | vorpal | securi: do not select anything "extra" |
| 00:16.39 | zsircusr | debian.org has 184mb iso for base |
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| 00:17.04 | zsircusr | i used it last night |
| 00:17.06 | benje | securi, apt-get gdm (this will install xorg and gdm ) |
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| 00:17.30 | benje | securi, don't install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 00:18.08 | securi | vorpal.. i have the net installer! |
| 00:18.11 | securi | i tried it with the net installer |
| 00:18.16 | securi | and for some reason |
| 00:18.17 | securi | i still have that |
| 00:18.22 | securi | when it popes up and asks me |
| 00:18.26 | securi | if i wnat Desktop |
| 00:18.28 | zsircusr | what wrong with gnome... someone rec it to me |
| 00:18.30 | securi | File Server etc |
| 00:18.33 | securi | what do i choose? |
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| 00:18.37 | securi | do i untick everything? |
| 00:18.59 | joelmichael | hi, how can i install some 'testing' or 'unstable' packages on my distro which is otherwise 'stable'? |
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| 00:20.01 | h3sp4wn | joelmichael: check backports.org - or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 00:20.06 | conn | quick question: where can I find archived/obsolete debs? I need to test an old version of xserver-xorg-core, but none of the mirrors hold it anymore |
| 00:20.09 | joelmichael | thanks h3sp4wn |
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| 00:22.55 | BlackMagik | i have php uploading files to a 777 dir but the files' permissions get changed then wwwdata can't do anything with it. any possible ways to solve this? |
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| 00:23.12 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hello, all! |
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| 00:24.29 | benje | BlackMagik, 777 is a bad thing |
| 00:24.41 | stew | BlackMagik: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions ; read about the group sticky bit and umask. don't use 777 |
| 00:24.43 | BlackMagik | it's just the folder that i'm putting the files in |
| 00:24.51 | benje | BlackMagik, yes you can specifie chmod to uploaded file |
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| 00:25.02 | BlackMagik | i'll give it a shot |
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| 00:25.25 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hi! |
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| 00:25.34 | benje | don't remember where but you can find it in the web |
| 00:25.37 | benje | hello Emmanuel_Chanel |
| 00:26.02 | Matria | hi there im new to linux and have removed a program then reinstalled it else where when i type the program name in to run it trys going to the original location and says it cnnot find it. where can i change the shortcut for this |
| 00:26.10 | Emmanuel_Chanel | I use Debian etch. And I want to finish installing emacs. |
| 00:26.46 | Emmanuel_Chanel | But it says that emacs, emacs21, and mule-ucs aren't configured. |
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| 00:26.59 | Guerin | Emmanuel_Chanel: aptitude -f install; post the output |
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| 00:28.48 | Emmanuel_Chanel | And I cannot use emacs with Japanese. |
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| 00:29.11 | Guerin | Emmanuel_Chanel: you should be able to; that's what the mule packages are for |
| 00:29.23 | Guerin | though you might want emacs-snapshot from sid |
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| 00:30.15 | joelmichael | is there any good reason to use backports instead of just -t testing or something |
| 00:30.43 | Guerin | joelmichael: yes; backports are likely to work |
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| 00:30.52 | joelmichael | i see |
| 00:31.23 | jetscreamer | you could always upgrade to testing though |
| 00:31.26 | Guerin | joelmichael: installing testing or unstable software on stable systems is a lottery - it hinges on binary compatibility between distros, which is currently quite horribly broken and is not expected to improve |
| 00:31.43 | Guerin | !info libc6 etch |
| 00:31.46 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (etch), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
| 00:31.48 | Guerin | !info libc6 lenny |
| 00:31.52 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.5-9+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 4446 kB, Installed size: 10640 kB |
| 00:31.58 | Guerin | see the version difference? |
| 00:32.18 | Guerin | that means almost nothing written in C and built on lenny will work on etch |
| 00:32.21 | sandman | Wow. Virtualbox rocks, it seems. |
| 00:32.30 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Guerin: thx answering anyway. |
| 00:32.36 | Guerin | Emmanuel_Chanel: welcome. |
| 00:32.43 | jetscreamer | that's why they make backports |
| 00:32.46 | DawnLight | how do i make the pc speaker beep? |
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| 00:32.53 | Guerin | Emmanuel_Chanel: what was the outcome? |
| 00:32.55 | Guerin | !beep |
| 00:32.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 00:33.00 | jetscreamer | modporbe the pcspeaker module at the least |
| 00:33.11 | joelmichael | Guerin, makes sense |
| 00:33.13 | jetscreamer | i think it's pc_speaker but not sure |
| 00:33.17 | joelmichael | ok i'll use backports then |
| 00:33.38 | Guerin | joelmichael: you wouldn't believe how long it takes some people to get that simple concept. |
| 00:37.11 | Matria | hi there im new to linux and have removed a program then reinstalled it else where when i type the program name in to run it trys going to the original location and says it cnnot find it. where can i change the shortcut for this |
| 00:37.32 | Guerin | Matria: why did you remove it and reinstall it wsewhere? And what program? |
| 00:37.39 | Guerin | wse/else/ |
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| 00:39.11 | joelmichael | how can i compare the version numbers available under stable to backports? |
| 00:39.13 | Matria | it was a test program for a friend that i was looking at and when i installed it it put it in /usr/local and i coulnt see what it had installed so when ran make uninstall which i through sorted it then reinstalled with configuration /usr/local/testprog but when i run the executable file it referes back to /usr/local/sbin instead of /usr/local/testprog/sbin |
| 00:39.49 | Guerin | joelmichael: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 00:40.35 | Guerin | Matria: so where is the binary, and where do you think it should be? |
| 00:41.15 | Matria | it in /usr/local/testprog/sbin and i can see it there but when i type in the binary file it goes to /usr/local/sbin |
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| 00:42.00 | Guerin | when you `type in the binary file' <- wtf does this mean? You type the whole file? Or the name? Into what? |
| 00:42.37 | Matria | i type the name of the program file to load |
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| 00:43.03 | Guerin | Matria: what exactly do you type, and what output does it yield? |
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| 00:43.37 | joelmichael | i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong here :/ |
| 00:43.48 | joelmichael | http://pastie.caboo.se/78751 |
| 00:43.48 | baikonur | is there a file format that specifically well suited for an external hdd or can I just continue using ext3? |
| 00:43.53 | Matria | when i type ticker in (this is the file im trying to run ) i get the msg -bash: /usr/local/sbin/ticker: No such file or directory |
| 00:43.59 | joelmichael | i want to install the copy of nginx from backports |
| 00:44.05 | Guerin | baikonur: depends where you want to use it. |
| 00:44.15 | Matria | where now its in /usr/local/testprog/sbin/ticker |
| 00:44.48 | joelmichael | and somehow after i installed it i was unable to remove it |
| 00:44.50 | Guerin | Matria: oh, ok. export PATH=/dir/where/it/is:$PATH |
| 00:44.57 | Guerin | Matria: then try again |
| 00:45.04 | Matria | ok cool |
| 00:45.07 | baikonur | Guerin: what do you mean by "where"? I want to use it for backups and it's beside my desktop |
| 00:45.37 | benje | joelmichael, it failed because hit can stop nginx |
| 00:45.50 | benje | baikonur, you can use ext3 |
| 00:45.55 | Matria | cool that worked cheers |
| 00:46.02 | Guerin | baikonur: then ext3 is fine. You might consider another filesystem if you were planning to use it as a portable media drive or something, but if it's only going to be used with one box ext* is fine |
| 00:46.16 | joelmichael | also, it installed an old version of nginx despite my using -t etch-backports |
| 00:46.23 | joelmichael | i'm not sure how to get it to install a more recent version |
| 00:46.39 | cycom | is there a seperate channel for 3d effects in packages like compiz, or is this it? |
| 00:46.44 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Setting up emacs21 (21.4a+1-3etch1) ... |
| 00:46.45 | Emmanuel_Chanel | emacs-install emacs21 |
| 00:46.45 | Emmanuel_Chanel | install/dictionaries-common: Byte-compiling for emacsen flavour emacs21 |
| 00:46.45 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Wrote /usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/dictionaries-common/debian-ispell.elc |
| 00:46.45 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Wrote /usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/dictionaries-common/ispell.elc |
| 00:46.45 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Wrote /usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/dictionaries-common/flyspell.elc |
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| 00:46.54 | Guerin | joelmichael: do you have a backport line in sources.list? It doesn't look like it. |
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| 00:47.01 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Loading 50dictionaries-common (source)... |
| 00:47.02 | benje | joelmichael, start it before trying to remove it so the script will not failde |
| 00:47.03 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Loading debian-ispell... |
| 00:47.05 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Loading /var/cache/dictionaries-common/emacsen-ispell-default.el (source)... |
| 00:47.07 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Loading /var/cache/dictionaries-common/emacsen-ispell-dicts.el (source)... |
| 00:47.09 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Cannot open load file: un-define |
| 00:47.11 | Emmanuel_Chanel | emacs-install: /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/emacsen-common emacs21 f |
| 00:47.13 | Emmanuel_Chanel | ailed at /usr/lib/emacsen-common/emacs-install line 28, <TSORT> line 3. |
| 00:47.15 | Emmanuel_Chanel | dpkg: error processing emacs21 (--configure): |
| 00:47.16 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 00:47.17 | Emmanuel_Chanel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.17 | joelmichael | yeah, i added this, as per the instructions: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 00:47.19 | Emmanuel_Chanel | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of emacs: |
| 00:47.21 | Emmanuel_Chanel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.21 | Guerin | Emmanuel_Chanel: FUCKOFF |
| 00:47.23 | Emmanuel_Chanel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.25 | Emmanuel_Chanel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.26 | Guerin | !ops Emmanuel_Chanel |
| 00:47.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: Emmanuel_Chanel |
| 00:47.29 | Emmanuel_Chanel | dpkg: error processing emacs (--configure): |
| 00:47.29 | joelmichael | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.29 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 00:47.31 | Emmanuel_Chanel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.33 | Emmanuel_Chanel | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mule-ucs: |
| 00:47.35 | Emmanuel_Chanel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.38 | Emmanuel_Chanel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.40 | Emmanuel_Chanel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.42 | Emmanuel_Chanel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.44 | Emmanuel_Chanel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.46 | Emmanuel_Chanel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.48 | Emmanuel_Chanel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.48 | benje | Emmanuel_Chanel, stop |
| 00:47.50 | Emmanuel_Chanel | dpkg: error processing mule-ucs (--configure): |
| 00:47.50 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 00:47.52 | Emmanuel_Chanel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.54 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 00:47.58 | Emmanuel_Chanel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.00 | Emmanuel_Chanel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.02 | Emmanuel_Chanel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.04 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Guerin: Like those lines. |
| 00:48.06 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Sorry... |
| 00:48.06 | fungo | he can't |
| 00:48.11 | Guerin | Emmanuel_Chanel: fuckwit |
| 00:48.14 | Emmanuel_Chanel | ??? |
| 00:48.17 | joelmichael | ignore him |
| 00:48.20 | Guerin | Emmanuel_Chanel: read the goddamnmotherfucking topic |
| 00:48.31 | baikonur | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.42 | Guerin | and try to imagine what would happen if all 600-odd people in here pasted 100 lines of shite each |
| 00:48.55 | Emmanuel_Chanel | I'm sorry. |
| 00:49.05 | Guerin | baikonur: that's a personal choice. |
| 00:49.13 | Guerin | Emmanuel_Chanel: can you post it to paster now? |
| 00:49.16 | Guerin | !paster |
| 00:49.17 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:49.24 | Guerin | Emmanuel_Chanel: there ↑ |
| 00:49.42 | cast | baikonur: just encrypt it. :). and keep a backup, the HD might assplode all by itself without encryption anyway |
| 00:49.52 | Guerin | baikonur: one option is to leave the filesystem unencrypted and gpg the backups |
| 00:49.59 | azeem | Guerin: please either ignore people or stay non-aggressive |
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| 00:50.01 | joelmichael | sigh, it won't start either |
| 00:50.22 | cycom | So yeah, is there a seperate channel for compiz on debian, or is this it? I've got this strange glitch where, when I fire up compiz, my desktop goes from 1280x854 down to what looks like 854x854, but the actual screen resolution stays the same. My gnome panels, and my desktop background shrink to a square on the screen at the max height, but at less than the max width. I can still move windows off the edge and use the full screen. |
| 00:50.23 | joelmichael | http://pastie.caboo.se/78753 |
| 00:50.38 | baikonur | Guerin: then I could use duplicity |
| 00:50.41 | perlmonk | Hi everyone :) "Download a minimal bootable CD image" <--- Will this CD include the command grub-install |
| 00:50.41 | perlmonk | ? |
| 00:51.07 | baikonur | cast: can you recommend any encryption method? |
| 00:51.38 | cast | baikonur: cryptsetup luksFormat |
| 00:51.42 | Guerin | joelmichael: any log output? If you just want to remove the damn thing, you can replace that stop script with something which returns true |
| 00:51.43 | jetscreamer | perlmonk: the netinst will not have it on the cd |
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| 00:51.54 | cast | baikonur: really, best choice. especially in your external case |
| 00:51.56 | Guerin | perlmonk: you can mount your hd, chroot and run it from there |
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| 00:52.03 | jetscreamer | perlmonk: you can d/l the grub package from pdo if you just need the files |
| 00:52.05 | Guerin | so it's not needed on the cd |
| 00:52.11 | jetscreamer | what Guerin said |
| 00:52.19 | baikonur | ok, thank you |
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| 00:52.59 | perlmonk | Guerin, Yeah, I'll chroot, thanks :) |
| 00:53.04 | Guerin | cycom: you're unlikely to get much help on compiz here |
| 00:53.05 | perlmonk | thanks guys for the help |
| 00:53.11 | Guerin | is it even in debian yet? |
| 00:53.26 | cycom | Guerin: yes, it is. |
| 00:53.30 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 00:53.33 | Guerin | well, good luck |
| 00:53.45 | cycom | *sigh* |
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| 00:56.41 | Meth[Linux] | Greetings I have an issue with bug 432998 in flashplugin-nonfree of unstable |
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| 00:56.56 | Meth[Linux] | the bug is resolved but I can't remove the buggy package to install the new one |
| 00:56.58 | Guerin | Meth[Linux]: tell the BTS |
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| 01:00.11 | techbie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:00.28 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Guerin: What's the problem of my emacs? |
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| 01:00.56 | Guerin | Emmanuel_Chanel: put the output on paster and I'll see |
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| 01:01.02 | Lethargy_4 | you might want to ask in the emacs channel, but be prepared |
| 01:01.04 | Guerin | NOT in the goddamned channel |
| 01:01.08 | cycom | screw this. I'm installing ubuntu PPC. At least beryl will work. |
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| 01:01.11 | Emmanuel_Chanel | http://paste.debian.net/32687 |
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| 01:01.20 | Guerin | Lethargy_4: it's more a debian packaging problem, so they'll not want a bar of it |
| 01:01.24 | Guerin | Emmanuel_Chanel: cheers |
| 01:01.45 | Lethargy_4 | I see, |
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| 01:01.56 | Lethargy_4 | well good luck with that. |
| 01:02.21 | Guerin | Emmanuel_Chanel: the problem is that the emacs-install script appears to be broken |
| 01:02.38 | Emmanuel_Chanel | How can I solve it? |
| 01:02.44 | Guerin | Emmanuel_Chanel: can you give me output of apt-cache policy emacs21 |
| 01:03.09 | Guerin | Emmanuel_Chanel: the short answer is `fix the script'; the long answer is yet to be determined |
| 01:03.27 | Guerin | this is extremely unusual, though, for something to be broken in stable |
| 01:03.48 | Guerin | particulrly since I know for a fact that emacs21 is fine on MY stable box |
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| 01:04.53 | benje | hello the libapache2-mod-php5 failed with can't call method "description" of an undefinied value at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Question.pm line 93, <GEN0> line 1 |
| 01:04.53 | Lethargy_4 | I believe emacs22 is backported to etch. |
| 01:04.56 | Emmanuel_Chanel | http://paste.debian.net/32688 |
| 01:05.07 | benje | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29871 |
| 01:05.28 | Guerin | Lethargy_4: nice. |
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| 01:05.39 | fungo | i have emacs22-gtk here for stable |
| 01:05.49 | Guerin | Emmanuel_Chanel: ok, the problem is that package on security.d.o; so now you have two options: |
| 01:05.52 | fungo | i can't stand xaw3d |
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| 01:05.57 | benje | i see nothing in bugs report must i open one ? |
| 01:06.03 | Lethargy_4 | search this out if you so desire |
| 01:06.12 | Lethargy_4 | #deb http://emacs.orebokech.com sarge main |
| 01:06.12 | Lethargy_4 | #deb-src http://emacs.orebokech.com sarge main |
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| 01:06.27 | Guerin | 1. install emacs22-gtk for stable (which will probably let you use japanese script easier); 2. revert to the 21.4a+1-3 package |
| 01:06.35 | Lethargy_4 | that was straight out of my source.list. |
| 01:06.39 | Meth[Linux] | Ok maybe I'm an idiot but I don't see how bts is going to help me... I already read the bug report before I came here... they just close it and say it's fixed in the new version... doesn't tell how to fix the already broken install :( |
| 01:06.40 | Guerin | I would go with option 1 |
| 01:06.47 | Lethargy_4 | even has apt gpg keys for security. |
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| 01:07.08 | Guerin | Meth[Linux]: the broken package is preventing other things from being installed? |
| 01:07.36 | Meth[Linux] | the broken package is preventing the newer fixed version from being installed, yes |
| 01:08.06 | Guerin | Meth[Linux]: post aptitude -f install; output to paster (that line, verbatim) |
| 01:08.08 | Meth[Linux] | Guerin: I even tried purging it through dpks |
| 01:08.09 | Emmanuel_Chanel | thx. |
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| 01:08.17 | Lethargy_4 | This is GNU Emacs 22.1.50.1 (i386-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.6.4) |
| 01:08.17 | Lethargy_4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.36 | Guerin | Emmanuel_Chanel: you will need to run aptitude purge emacs; before you try the new version |
| 01:08.53 | Guerin | Lethargy_4: the gtk refers to the UI, right? |
| 01:09.01 | Meth[Linux] | Guerin: I don't have aptitude installed will apt-get or synaptic work or do I need to install aptitude |
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| 01:09.12 | Lethargy_4 | I believe, but I use fluxbox |
| 01:09.15 | Guerin | Meth[Linux]: apt-get should be ok |
| 01:09.51 | Guerin | Lethargy_4: i haven't bothered with it since I live in emacs on console anyhow |
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| 01:10.42 | Lethargy_4 | it should work in console or x, if in x it give you mouse control. |
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| 01:10.51 | PrinceAMD | hi guys |
| 01:10.58 | Guerin | yeah, but what's the point of gtk in the console? |
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| 01:11.11 | PrinceAMD | can someone tell me the command to only print a line within a text file? |
| 01:11.21 | Lethargy_4 | I don't think it give you gtk in console. |
| 01:11.26 | Guerin | PrinceAMD: it depends. How do you want ot choose which line? |
| 01:11.41 | Lethargy_4 | if you mean it is bloated with gtk then ok, i guess your right. |
| 01:11.42 | solitude | he could pipe it |
| 01:11.43 | Guerin | Lethargy_4: it would be a mystery of science if it could. |
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| 01:12.00 | linux2 | anyone here know why autopackage doesn't seem to work on debian lenny |
| 01:12.02 | solitude | gtk is unnecessary for a lot of things |
| 01:12.05 | linux2 | it just does this with every package program... |
| 01:12.08 | solitude | isnt lenny unstable? |
| 01:12.08 | Guerin | linux2: the BTS might know. |
| 01:12.13 | linux2 | Selection A --> OK to install support code now? (Y/n): y |
| 01:12.13 | linux2 | ........................... |
| 01:12.13 | linux2 | .................................................................. |
| 01:12.16 | Guerin | solitude: no. |
| 01:12.29 | linux2 | Guerin: BTS? |
| 01:12.31 | solitude | which is the unstable branch? |
| 01:12.33 | Guerin | !bts |
| 01:12.33 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 01:12.40 | Guerin | solitude: sid |
| 01:12.48 | solitude | oh yes |
| 01:12.50 | PrinceAMD | Guerin, well basically i want to say print line 3 i am not looking for something specific |
| 01:12.51 | linux2 | Guerin: well autopackage doesn't come with debian |
| 01:13.03 | Meth[Linux] | Guerin: Ok, pasted but it's as anonymous by accident |
| 01:13.13 | Guerin | PrinceAMD: ok. You can do it by line number, or by content. |
| 01:13.16 | linux2 | Guerin: nor is there a package with it availible |
| 01:13.18 | Guerin | Meth[Linux]: url? |
| 01:13.22 | Guerin | !sed cheats |
| 01:13.22 | dpkg | i heard sed cheats is see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line52.txt |
| 01:13.25 | Guerin | !awk cheats |
| 01:13.26 | dpkg | somebody said awk cheats was see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/awk/awk1line.txt |
| 01:13.40 | Guerin | PrinceAMD: see those two sites for about 100 ways of doing this |
| 01:14.14 | Meth[Linux] | Guerin: http://paste.debian.net/32690 |
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| 01:14.19 | PrinceAMD | Guerin, thanks |
| 01:14.22 | Guerin | linux2: then it's not supported. I'm not surprised, and don't see why you'd want to use it since apt is far superior. |
| 01:14.43 | Meth[Linux] | Guerin: want the error if you try to remove it too? Will that help? |
| 01:15.04 | linux2 | Guerin: im trying to install supertux and it comes in an autopackage format |
| 01:15.18 | Guerin | linux2: you have my condolences. |
| 01:15.35 | linux2 | Guerin: the supertux package availible for debian lenny is outdated |
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| 01:16.47 | Meth[Linux] | Guerin: Was that url what you needed... never used paster before but I think that's right |
| 01:16.48 | Guerin | Meth[Linux]: woah. /var/lib/dpkg/info/flashplugin-nonfree.prerm: 51: dpkg-architecture: not found |
| 01:17.05 | Guerin | Meth[Linux]: either your system is horribly broken, or the environment in that script is malformed |
| 01:17.14 | Guerin | Meth[Linux]: yes, it was, thanks. |
| 01:17.14 | Meth[Linux] | Guerin: Yeah that's the bug that's been reported and fixed |
| 01:17.47 | Meth[Linux] | Guerin: The new package no longer has that apparently... but if you've already installed the broken one it wont' update or remove |
| 01:18.10 | Guerin | Meth[Linux]: you can probably fix it by editing line 51 of that file and changing dpkg-architecture to /usr/bin/dpkg-architecture |
| 01:18.29 | Guerin | that will allow the script to run and the package to remove or install or whatever |
| 01:19.00 | Guerin | linux2: you could try backporting the one from sid, or building upstream source. |
| 01:19.12 | Guerin | linux2: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 01:19.30 | solitude | is it possible to install linux in machine "foo", move the hdd to machine "bar" and have it work? |
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| 01:19.56 | Guerin | solitude: the two machiens must be minimally similar (same arch, etc) but typically yes, it works fine. |
| 01:20.03 | solitude | hmm |
| 01:20.07 | solitude | it is the same arch |
| 01:20.15 | solitude | anything else? |
| 01:20.38 | linux2 | Guerin: ok, thanks |
| 01:20.49 | solitude | like. if 1 machine has scsi devices etc |
| 01:20.49 | Guerin | solitude: if the kernel will serve the new hardware, it should be fine. |
| 01:21.22 | Guerin | solitude: well, i can only answer in the abstract. If you want to know whether a specific move will work, you're best to try it. |
| 01:21.40 | solitude | yeah |
| 01:21.49 | solitude | it boots to grub fine |
| 01:21.51 | solitude | then gets stuck |
| 01:21.54 | solitude | hold on, ill paste bin it |
| 01:22.18 | PrinceAMD | Guerin, do u know where i can find a automounter script? |
| 01:22.36 | Guerin | PrinceAMD: no. |
| 01:22.43 | PrinceAMD | Guerin, ok |
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| 01:23.34 | fungo | what's the path that wine search for programs? |
| 01:24.46 | PrinceAMD | Guerin, does linux kernel come with ntfs-3g built in with right access? |
| 01:24.58 | PrinceAMD | Guerin, does linux kernel come with ntfs-3g built in with write access? |
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| 01:25.09 | solitude | I get this error when i try: http://pastebin.ca/618570 |
| 01:25.21 | gordboy | PrinceAMD: ntfs-3g is a userspace filesystem |
| 01:25.21 | aidan | What package provides liblame support to ffmpeg? |
| 01:25.34 | PrinceAMD | gordboy, meaning? |
| 01:25.43 | azeem | solitude: what error? |
| 01:25.53 | gordboy | PrinceAMD: meaning it's not in the kernel |
| 01:26.03 | solitude | azeem http://pastebin.ca/618570 |
| 01:26.12 | PrinceAMD | gordboy, cool, is it in debian respo? |
| 01:26.13 | azeem | solitude: I saw that, but there's no error |
| 01:26.18 | solitude | Oh? |
| 01:26.21 | solitude | well |
| 01:26.26 | solitude | its been there for ~5 min now. |
| 01:26.31 | azeem | did you forget the boot command? |
| 01:26.42 | solitude | not to my knowledge |
| 01:26.59 | solitude | i just installed linux in machine "foo" and moved the hdd to machine "bar" |
| 01:27.09 | gordboy | PrinceAMD: to use ntfs-3g properly you need 1) kernel 2.6.20 or better 2) the kernel fuse module 3) the ntfs-3g packages 4) changes to /etc/fstab |
| 01:28.24 | PrinceAMD | gordboy, grr sounds like alot of work |
| 01:28.33 | azeem | solitude: is it the only harddisk in bar? |
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| 01:29.07 | gordboy | PrinceAMD: then PAY someone to do it, or with the greatest of respect, stfu :) |
| 01:29.20 | PrinceAMD | anyone here know a script that auto detect the partitons on a pc an load it into fstab/ |
| 01:29.41 | PrinceAMD | gordboy, compiling kernel on my pc takes 1hr |
| 01:29.42 | cast | PrinceAMD: most livecds |
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| 01:30.15 | PrinceAMD | cast, well i am starting from skratch with this livecd n well i have no idea how to get fstab to work perfect |
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| 01:30.23 | Guerin | PrinceAMD: just write your own |
| 01:30.29 | Guerin | it's not a complicated file |
| 01:30.34 | Guerin | man fstab |
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| 01:30.42 | PrinceAMD | Guerin, wow easy to say |
| 01:30.46 | PrinceAMD | i'll man it |
| 01:30.49 | Guerin | easy to do, too |
| 01:30.53 | cast | PrinceAMD: go look at how another livecd does it..is what i mean |
| 01:31.02 | solitude | azeem, yes |
| 01:31.06 | cast | PrinceAMD: its all free software. :) |
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| 01:31.24 | PrinceAMD | cast, yeah i guess i didnt want to rape someones work |
| 01:31.37 | Guerin | ... |
| 01:32.01 | benje | erf bugreport which bug :/ |
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| 01:33.32 | solitude | any ideas azeem |
| 01:33.37 | azeem | nope |
| 01:34.24 | solitude | it specifies root (hd0,0), could this be incorrect? |
| 01:34.46 | azeem | it could, but it probably is correct |
| 01:35.05 | solitude | right |
| 01:35.30 | solitude | the kernel 2.6.18-4-686 should work fine for dual pentium 3 shouldnt it? |
| 01:35.50 | Guerin | solitude: yes. |
| 01:35.56 | benje | reconfiguration bug due to ascii can't decode 0xc3 in position 5 ordinal not in range 128 |
| 01:36.18 | benje | case my name use ï |
| 01:36.23 | benje | cause |
| 01:36.33 | Guerin | benje: in what program? |
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| 01:36.38 | nofxx_ | any good program to catalog cds? that is easy to backup the db |
| 01:36.45 | benje | reportbug Guerin |
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| 01:37.02 | nofxx_ | export as html.. heheh would be nice |
| 01:37.08 | Guerin | benje: huh, funky. |
| 01:37.38 | benje | i remove .reportbugrc and reconfigure it without ï to see ;) |
| 01:37.50 | kairu0 | how do i get my gnome taskbar to pulsate (updated windows fade bright and darker endlessly)? i had this OOB in ubuntu, but i dont know where the gnome option is... |
| 01:37.58 | gordboy | PrinceAMD: at the risk of being accused of spoonfeeding you, here is a sample /etc/fstab that shows various ways of using ntfs partitions - http://rafb.net/p/NgaN7Q44.html |
| 01:38.12 | Guerin | kairu0: ask #ubuntu how they do it |
| 01:38.33 | Guerin | and WTF is a OOB? |
| 01:38.36 | synopsis | Is it possible to remove inetd? |
| 01:38.41 | Guerin | solitude: yes. |
| 01:38.46 | benje | Guerin, he ask the smtp host and user but not the pass and ecryption |
| 01:38.49 | Guerin | synopsis: yes to you, too. |
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| 01:38.59 | PrinceAMD | gordboy, u'r not spoonfeeding me man , just helping a tired old man |
| 01:39.01 | synopsis | Guerin: How do I do it, I can't find the command anywhere... |
| 01:39.10 | Guerin | synopsis: aptitude purge inetd? |
| 01:39.23 | synopsis | Would it uninstall it? |
| 01:39.28 | Guerin | it should. |
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| 01:39.44 | gordboy | PrinceAMD: how old is old ? i'm 47 btw. get with the program, soldier. chin up, shoulders back :) |
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| 01:40.04 | PrinceAMD | gordboy, i'm 18 |
| 01:40.08 | benje | yes that because of my real name :/ |
| 01:40.30 | gordboy | PrinceAMD: i guess that makes me the tired old man, and you the lazy whippersnapper :) |
| 01:40.41 | PrinceAMD | gordboy, lol |
| 01:41.03 | PrinceAMD | yeah |
| 01:41.21 | Guerin | heh |
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| 01:41.29 | Guerin | !beer gordboy |
| 01:41.37 | Guerin | PrinceAMD: i'd give you one, but you're probably underage |
| 01:41.46 | gordboy | thanks Guerin |
| 01:41.57 | synopsis | Guerin: Do I need to restart after the uninstall? |
| 01:42.06 | Guerin | synopsis: absolutely not. |
| 01:42.22 | rahul | stoned has a confession to make |
| 01:42.28 | edju | Anybody get iTunes to work under wine/crossover? w/ etch? |
| 01:42.33 | PrinceAMD | Guerin, i'm 18 i'm not under age, I DRINK BEER!!! |
| 01:42.59 | Guerin | PrinceAMD: yit seems you live in a civilised place with a sensible beer-drinking age, then ;) |
| 01:43.15 | Guerin | rahul: did he cheat on his wife again? |
| 01:43.21 | rahul | heh |
| 01:43.22 | rahul | kinda |
| 01:43.30 | Azar | aww rahul |
| 01:43.40 | Guerin | rahul: ZOMG with a man? |
| 01:44.13 | Azar | ...and we might know which man.. |
| 01:44.23 | synopsis | Guerin, do you know the uninstall command for pure-ftpd? |
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| 01:44.38 | Guerin | synopsis: apply the same principle as with inetd. |
| 01:44.40 | Nyle | hey fuck |
| 01:44.41 | Nyle | man |
| 01:44.43 | Nyle | f you man |
| 01:44.45 | Nyle | what the hell man |
| 01:44.48 | rahul | heh |
| 01:44.48 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:44.50 | PrinceAMD | Guerin, yes i think it's sensible waiting till 21 SUCKS! |
| 01:44.51 | Nyle | cut that shit out man |
| 01:44.52 | Nyle | lol |
| 01:44.55 | Guerin | !yhbt Nyle |
| 01:44.56 | dpkg | Nyle: yhbt. yhl. hand. |
| 01:45.20 | Mr_Sonoma | i am having issues with sound on my toshiba lap top |
| 01:45.26 | rahul | what, you want videos, too? |
| 01:45.34 | rahul | Mr_Sonoma: checked the alsa wiki? |
| 01:45.40 | gordboy | so PrinceAMD, in that paste the deal is this : i have 3 partitions that only root can mount, and they are not mounted by default at boot. i then have 4 partitions that i want gordboy to be able to access read-only, these are mounted at boot. i then have a single partition (win_video) that i want gordboy to be able to access read-write, this is also mounted at boot |
| 01:45.41 | rahul | Mr_Sonoma: and checked the volume levels? |
| 01:45.46 | Mr_Sonoma | the alsa wiki? |
| 01:45.51 | rahul | !alsa |
| 01:45.51 | dpkg | alsa is probably http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA? or see <alsa-checklist> or <alsa install> |
| 01:45.54 | synopsis | Can someone guide me in installing pure-ftpd now? |
| 01:45.57 | rahul | interesting. |
| 01:45.59 | Guerin | PrinceAMD: although about 8 years ago when I was a barman, I'd have disagreed. |
| 01:46.00 | rahul | !alsa wiki |
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| 01:46.03 | Mr_Sonoma | volume is 90% |
| 01:46.04 | rahul | bah |
| 01:46.24 | Guerin | synopsis: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 01:46.45 | solitude | hmmm |
| 01:46.45 | PrinceAMD | gordboy, cool thanks for explaining tha |
| 01:46.48 | j4cbo | having some python issues.. when i apt-get install pylint, there are a bunch of "shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory" |
| 01:46.54 | solitude | any idea what I need to change in grub? |
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| 01:46.59 | j4cbo | and it only gets installed for python2.4, not the other versions |
| 01:47.13 | klikklak | anyone know pidgin here? .. I've disabled the menubar in "connections", how do I turn it back on? |
| 01:47.14 | PrinceAMD | Guerin, grr, well come'n it's only 5% alcohol i take in about almost every day |
| 01:47.49 | benje | klikklak, try f9 |
| 01:47.52 | PrinceAMD | Guerin, about 6-9 beers and i have a nice good night sleep, ok this is off topic |
| 01:48.18 | benje | gordboy, with umask and uid gid |
| 01:48.24 | klikklak | benje: doesn't work, maybe gnome intercepts that? |
| 01:48.35 | j4cbo | anyone know what might be missing? |
| 01:48.48 | benje | klikklak, this is to hide and show menubar |
| 01:49.28 | klikklak | benje: hmm, damn, work damnit! |
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| 01:49.42 | synopsis | I can't ever login into pure-ftpd even with the right credentials, can someone help me out? |
| 01:50.09 | benje | synopsis, so you read manual ? or tutorial about it ? |
| 01:50.17 | synopsis | yeah |
| 01:50.24 | synopsis | i'm reading the debian administration pages |
| 01:50.31 | synopsis | and the pure-ftpd manuals |
| 01:50.56 | benje | it tell you how to configure it to create a user ? |
| 01:51.32 | synopsis | yes |
| 01:51.51 | benje | do you see the log to know what's goes wrong ? |
| 01:53.09 | benje | i like the debian lgo screensaver :) |
| 01:53.12 | benje | logo |
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| 01:53.39 | synopsis | i don't think |
| 01:53.42 | synopsis | its communicating correctly |
| 01:53.59 | benje | do you see user connection ? or reject ? |
| 01:54.16 | synopsis | i can't tell |
| 01:54.40 | benje | does it work with anonymous acces ? |
| 01:54.51 | benje | if you make it one |
| 01:54.51 | synopsis | no |
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| 01:55.19 | benje | synopsis, i don't use pure-ftp |
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| 01:55.41 | synopsis | benje, what do you use? |
| 01:56.10 | benje | proftpd |
| 01:56.29 | benje | but it must be the same principle |
| 01:56.42 | klikklak | benje: I got it to work, I had to disable blistops |
| 01:56.48 | solitude | -hmm |
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| 02:02.35 | benje | synopsis, do you have the link |
| 02:02.53 | benje | of debian admin guide |
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| 02:06.37 | cast | benje: stfw |
| 02:06.45 | benje | i don't found nothing about ut |
| 02:06.51 | benje | what cast ? |
| 02:07.09 | amphi | benje: you mean the debian reference? |
| 02:07.28 | cast | benje: it means use google |
| 02:08.12 | benje | cast tht what i use and nothing about pureftpd in debian site |
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| 02:08.23 | benje | amphi, there talk only of ftp in mc |
| 02:08.38 | amphi | benje: eh? |
| 02:08.50 | benje | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 02:08.56 | benje | ftp virtual in mc |
| 02:10.15 | benje | cast i see in other site but it tell me in admin guide ;) |
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| 02:15.17 | benje | i ask again ( the last ) |
| 02:15.23 | benje | hello the libapache2-mod-php5 failed with can't call method "description" of an undefinied value at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Question.pm line 93, <GEN0> line 1 |
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| 02:15.38 | Mr_Sonoma | rahul: no luck i ran alsaconf twice because at the begining it recognised 2 cards when i ran it the first time i selected the first card, no sound when done so i ran it the second time and selected the other card. |
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| 02:19.22 | Muisje | How do i setup a ptr record (bind9) |
| 02:19.39 | cast | i'd read the bind manual and ask in the bind room :D |
| 02:19.46 | Muisje | lol |
| 02:19.56 | Muisje | will do :) |
| 02:20.44 | benje | good night all |
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| 02:22.18 | Lethargy_4 | anyone use powerware equipment? |
| 02:23.04 | cast | a UPS |
| 02:23.06 | cast | that is all |
| 02:23.28 | Lethargy_4 | I had a powerware 3105 fry my desktop. |
| 02:23.52 | Lethargy_4 | trying to get a refund as well as the cost of the desktop. |
| 02:24.07 | Lethargy_4 | lucky I bought it through amazon, |
| 02:24.14 | cast | just make sure that nothing was plugged in around the UPS |
| 02:24.47 | cast | like a phone cable, hmm, dunno how they expect lan cables etc..to work |
| 02:24.48 | Lethargy_4 | it was the loudest pop, I have heard out of my computer. |
| 02:24.59 | Lethargy_4 | then came the fluffy smoke. |
| 02:25.27 | Lethargy_4 | funny thing was according to the manual it passed the initial check. |
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| 02:25.51 | Lethargy_4 | so I thought everything was fine. and plugged in my desktop. bang |
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| 02:26.29 | Lethargy_4 | I called customer support, and had to leave a message, |
| 02:27.15 | Lethargy_4 | they were supposed to call me in the morning, but never did, so I called amazon, and hopefull will get the problem fixed. |
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| 02:35.06 | Lethargy_4 | ouch |
| 02:35.21 | citkast | i've never used debian before and I must be missing something, i've installed gcc and libc6 but there are no header files in /usr/include |
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| 02:37.44 | dondelelcaro | citkast: those are all in -dev packages. |
| 02:38.10 | dondelelcaro | citkast: so you probably want libc6-dev et al. [Though starting with aptitude install build-essential; is a good idea.] |
| 02:39.17 | dondelelcaro | !tell citkast -about pdo |
| 02:39.34 | dondelelcaro | citkast: you may also find what dpkg told you useful if you're looking for what package installs what in the future |
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| 02:42.14 | zenwryly | A few months ago, my wpasupplicant setup stopped being able to associate with any open access point. Once I add a network stanza with the specific ssid, it will connect, but the stanza meant to connect to *any* open ssid doesn't work. Any ideas? |
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| 02:43.02 | level1 | I'm working with a etch debootstrap install that I'm preparing for a usb thumb drive that is 2GB. I want a minimal X+kde install (under 700MB) and I will add what I need later... what packages should I install? |
| 02:43.40 | level1 | the package "kde" is 1GB, and that's not including X, so I want something lighter |
| 02:44.13 | spldart | I'm backing up imporant stuff in my debian install.... /etc/apt/sources/list /etc/fstab etc/X11/.conf shortcut to run old database service program in dosbox, /etc/resove.conf.. etc etc... any quick suggestions on what would be a good idea to copy before I wipe this drive and prepare for reinstall? |
| 02:44.36 | vorpal | level1: just select the apps you want, and see what they pull in as dependencies |
| 02:44.55 | vorpal | level1: if they are too heavy, omit them |
| 02:45.17 | spldart | oooOOooo slax plus the pre-packages for slax level1 :) |
| 02:45.27 | level1 | spldart: ? |
| 02:46.14 | level1 | whats slax? |
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| 02:47.20 | solitude | slax is nice |
| 02:47.54 | simonrvn | sounds like some off-topic thing ;) (slackware associated) |
| 02:47.56 | spldart | my bad.. slax is slackware but not alotta diff between it and deb ... they got kde runnan on very small space.. maybe you could copy some of what they did or even use their stuff to mix and match |
| 02:47.59 | Azar | heard that the new openbox is cool |
| 02:48.02 | spldart | sry |
| 02:48.32 | vorpal | runnan? |
| 02:48.55 | simonrvn | Azar: i'm still running it |
| 02:48.56 | Azar | level1: you can have x-server installed, customize your x with a bgimage, and install wm, and you are set |
| 02:49.06 | Azar | simonrvn: wonder if I can grab it on sarge.. |
| 02:49.23 | level1 | Azar: how do I do the second step? |
| 02:49.31 | simonrvn | probably won't run, different glibc |
| 02:49.37 | Azar | ah |
| 02:49.42 | Azar | level1: which second step? |
| 02:49.52 | level1 | also, by install wm, do you mean kde, or is there a package called wm? |
| 02:50.14 | level1 | Azar: customize your x with a bgimage |
| 02:50.22 | Azar | level1: a wm is a small window manager like say openbox (which I use) which hands you a menu list |
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| 02:50.40 | spldart | a windows manager I assume... whatabout flux, or xfm whateva or some other small wm |
| 02:50.41 | vorpal | level1: or you could dispense with wms and just install ratpoison ;-) |
| 02:50.57 | spldart | SCREENS! oops.. sry was that out loud |
| 02:51.10 | Azar | level1: I used feh . I download my images (of choice), then use feh at command line to have my favorite image set as background (wallpaper) |
| 02:51.11 | level1 | vorpal: lol, I like my mouse... but a tiling window manager would be nice |
| 02:51.29 | cast | lmao @ web.py documentation 'prefixurl(base='') : Sorry, this function is really difficult to explain. Maybe some other time.' |
| 02:51.29 | level1 | oh |
| 02:52.30 | level1 | Azar: actually, I'm kinda willing to devote the space to a full desktop environment (because I like kde and I know my way around it)... I should be able to install it in 600MB because I've done it before, just I don't remember the exact packages |
| 02:52.39 | simonrvn | cast: hehe |
| 02:52.59 | Azar | level1: http://linuxbrit.co.uk/feh/ |
| 02:53.05 | spldart | Now that is a trully minimal kde install... if your talking base plus kde in less than 600 |
| 02:53.12 | Azar | level1: ah ok |
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| 02:53.47 | level1 | spldart: well, liveCDs figure out a way to do it... they use a lot of compression, but still |
| 02:53.54 | infernal_jesus | I plug in my headphones and the sounds still use the laptop speakers |
| 02:54.03 | simonrvn | level1: should be easy, kwin, kicker, kdesktop for starters, in aptitude, is easy. |
| 02:54.10 | spldart | Lots of unpacking and compression.... more than is normal for hdd install |
| 02:54.19 | spldart | But yeah... still duplicable |
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| 02:55.51 | level1 | spldart: 1GB isn't bad, but if I get a full kde install, (which has a lot I can do without) you get about 1.4GB I'd guess... thats a problem |
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| 02:59.56 | Ezep | sorry, in which pkg u can find sndconfig? |
| 03:00.06 | spldart | I've not had that much luck with kde and staying small... yet... so fluxbox and to a lesser degree gnome are for me |
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| 03:00.57 | level1 | whats the easiest to use wifi compatable network manager for debian? is knetworkmanager kde exclusive? |
| 03:01.04 | level1 | I mean ubuntu exclusive? |
| 03:01.08 | Ezep | sorry, in which pkg u can find sndconfig? |
| 03:01.24 | level1 | !sndconfig |
| 03:01.25 | dpkg | it has been said that sndconfig is a Red Hat tool used by Red Hat tools. Ask me about "audio". |
| 03:01.34 | level1 | !audio |
| 03:01.37 | dpkg | audio is probably if you are running woody, consider upgrading,ask me about <woody audio> |
| 03:02.04 | level1 | "used by Red Hat tools" does he mean people who are tools of red hat? lol |
| 03:02.32 | Ezep | level1: sndconfig is in repos.. |
| 03:02.48 | level1 | Ezep: so why were you asking? |
| 03:03.06 | Ezep | but apt said that it hasn't got instalation candidate :S |
| 03:03.16 | ampex | is there a way to install etch to a RAID10 array? |
| 03:03.20 | ampex | software that is |
| 03:03.28 | level1 | hmm.... did you try apt-cache search sndconfig? |
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| 03:03.42 | Ezep | yep |
| 03:03.52 | level1 | ampex: what is Raid10? I thought the numbers stopped at raid6 |
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| 03:04.29 | ampex | RAID-10 is "mirrored stripes" |
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| 03:04.53 | level1 | oh, raid 1-0 |
| 03:05.09 | ampex | commonly referred to as RAID 10 |
| 03:05.10 | Ezep | ok tahnks level1 |
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| 03:05.18 | ampex | semantics |
| 03:05.21 | ampex | regardless |
| 03:05.27 | infernal_jesus | anyone? I don't hear anything on my headphones :P |
| 03:05.41 | level1 | infernal_jesus: what sound system do you use? is it alsa? |
| 03:05.54 | level1 | infernal_jesus: try #alsa, they're pretty good |
| 03:06.21 | infernal_jesus | level1: intel hda with alsa |
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| 03:07.43 | netdaemon | has anyone found a way to throttle aptitude trafic? |
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| 03:10.08 | ampex | is there a way to install debian to a RAID 1-0 array? |
| 03:10.27 | Wyzard | ampex: You can create RAID arrays with the installer... I'm pretty sure 1+0 is supported |
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| 03:11.05 | Wyzard | infernal_jesus: They're not USB headphones by any chance, are they? |
| 03:11.18 | infernal_jesus | Wyzard: nope |
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| 03:18.01 | blow_fish | when will a stable version of hurd be available? |
| 03:18.08 | blow_fish | or will it ever be? |
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| 03:21.19 | cast | !tell blow_fish about wir |
| 03:21.31 | blow_fish | wir? |
| 03:22.45 | blow_fish | well if stripping the linux kernel, would debian still call linux? |
| 03:23.25 | blow_fish | linux was suppose to be free and all that |
| 03:23.26 | Supaplex | no, it'd be called debian/hurd or debian/kfreebsd or debian/knetbsd |
| 03:23.29 | nofxx_ | what is the sintaxe to start bind using other .conf file? |
| 03:23.45 | blow_fish | now linux is as bad as unix |
| 03:23.46 | nofxx_ | sorry sorry.. squid |
| 03:24.09 | Supaplex | blow_fish: how do you figure? |
| 03:24.10 | nofxx_ | /etc/init.d/squid start --config-file /something..... that kinda of thing |
| 03:24.14 | blow_fish | too many people wanna make monie off linux |
| 03:24.28 | blow_fish | jeez, lik redhat, suse |
| 03:24.32 | blow_fish | caldera |
| 03:24.35 | blow_fish | etc... |
| 03:24.37 | blow_fish | ibm too |
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| 03:24.44 | blow_fish | cray and sgi too |
| 03:24.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone tell me how to shut down a touchpad without editing xorg.conf or restarting X? |
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| 03:25.26 | cast | Dark_Apostrophe: ducttape |
| 03:25.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | Haha |
| 03:25.45 | Supaplex | sudo init 0 ? |
| 03:26.00 | blow_fish | xkill |
| 03:27.11 | cast | blow_fish: debian uses the term gnu/linux to refer to the OS, not just linux, like..say..gentoo, so there's not much confusion when you replace linux with something else |
| 03:27.30 | netdaemon | hrm |
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| 03:30.21 | joelmichael | my new debian install can't seem to ssh to any of the other machines on the LAN, but it can ssh to outside addresses |
| 03:30.42 | joelmichael | actually this might be a networking setup issue |
| 03:30.51 | joelmichael | nm |
| 03:31.02 | klikklak | is there any way to encode vcd file to an avi? |
| 03:31.18 | Supaplex | !mencoder |
| 03:31.18 | dpkg | usage: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/mencoder.html and also http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/encoding-guide.html |
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| 03:31.53 | Wyzard | mencoder will recompress the video |
| 03:32.06 | Wyzard | In principle it should be possible to create an AVI file containing the already-compressed MPEG data from the VCD |
| 03:32.29 | Wyzard | which avoids the recompression and quality loss |
| 03:32.30 | cast | since avi is just a container you don't have to ...ahh what Wyzard said |
| 03:32.38 | Wyzard | (or maybe mencoder has options for doing that, I dunno) |
| 03:32.46 | cast | -ovc copy |
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| 03:36.46 | EruditeHermit | hi, can anyone help me with gnuplot? I open a gnuplot file and the graph appears and disappears very quickly. Is it possible to tell it not to destroy the window. Also is it possible to plot things realtime with gnuplot |
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| 03:38.05 | cast | EruditeHermit: sure, for a start, you can run it interactively, start gnuplot then paste or run your file |
| 03:41.12 | blow_fish | octave and R pretty good |
| 03:41.19 | blow_fish | although i don't use them |
| 03:41.21 | EruditeHermit | cast: I want to call it from another c++ program that I am writing |
| 03:41.45 | EruditeHermit | cast: also I want it to plot things as I append stuff to a text file that I want it to plot realtime |
| 03:42.05 | EruditeHermit | cast: so every 2 seconds new data is added to the text file and I want it to plot that |
| 03:42.40 | solitude | hi |
| 03:42.44 | solitude | im getting this error: |
| 03:42.45 | solitude | (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable intel onboard |
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| 03:42.54 | solitude | When logging in as my normal user |
| 03:43.07 | solitude | and X hangs, but X worked earlier, as normal user and root |
| 03:43.19 | solitude | and still wroks as root after a reboot |
| 03:43.20 | solitude | any idea why? |
| 03:43.24 | solitude | i haventchanged xorg.conf |
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| 03:44.53 | cast | EruditeHermit: hmm, not sure. i've called gnuplot from python alot, but that was with a library |
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| 03:47.18 | klikklak | solitude: you've got the right driver selected in the dpkg menus? |
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| 03:56.34 | Pencil | hey guys, should i install GRUB? |
| 03:56.49 | Pencil | just wondering, i have no idea with GRUB does |
| 03:57.18 | simonrvn | it's a bootloader, similar to lilo, but different in varying ways |
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| 04:02.19 | spldart | I luv grub |
| 04:02.34 | spldart | I'm a magor dual boot lover |
| 04:03.16 | Pencil | haha great ;] |
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| 04:03.37 | Pencil | hey debian doesn't come with a GUI right? |
| 04:03.48 | spldart | basic install no.... |
| 04:03.53 | zinx | Pencil: define "debian". |
| 04:04.01 | zinx | Pencil: everyone's install of debian is different |
| 04:04.10 | solitude | how do i chmod +s xorg on debian? |
| 04:04.15 | spldart | add a desktop in the install and you will get gnome by default |
| 04:04.38 | spldart | download disk 1 kde or xfwm and you get those by default instead |
| 04:05.00 | spldart | or the dvd will always default gnome for basic install + desktop |
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| 04:05.43 | spldart | Whaddaya want from debian anywho |
| 04:05.45 | Wyzard | solitude: Why do you want to do that? |
| 04:06.02 | solitude | because X isnt set to suid root |
| 04:06.05 | solitude | so cant start. |
| 04:06.23 | cast | Pencil: grub is good. recommended. just don't try to boot xfs |
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| 04:07.07 | Wyzard | solitude: Both GDM and startx work for me, and I haven't had to manually chmod anything |
| 04:07.21 | solitude | well, they stopped working for me |
| 04:07.26 | cast | solitude: run startx, not X |
| 04:07.33 | cast | solitude: oh. ignore. :\ |
| 04:07.33 | solitude | cast, i did. |
| 04:07.46 | Wyzard | solitude: When did they stop working? |
| 04:07.48 | solitude | it works as root, not as a normal user |
| 04:07.55 | solitude | So, do you know how to chmod +s my X server? |
| 04:08.05 | solitude | Wyzard, after i went tomake coffee. |
| 04:08.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. Does anyone know how to use a TPM in a laptop? |
| 04:08.23 | solitude | as in, it worked, i left it for a bit, then it stopped working |
| 04:08.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | I just discovered that mine has one and want Debian to be able to use its crypto features, as I already have an encrypted hard drive |
| 04:08.58 | solitude | Basically |
| 04:08.58 | solitude | no idea |
| 04:08.58 | solitude | fresh install |
| 04:08.59 | solitude | did apt get on xorg + xfce |
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| 04:09.13 | solitude | worked fine, then loged out, and after i logged back it, it stopped working. |
| 04:09.18 | spldart | wow.. I'm confuzzled |
| 04:09.36 | solitude | linux has just as many problems as windows :p |
| 04:09.43 | solitude | im just worse at fixing them on linu |
| 04:09.55 | spldart | meh.... |
| 04:10.23 | cast | Dark_Apostrophe: i did hear of a guy using TPM to store his keys, but that he couldn't release the code for some silly {IP?} reasons |
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| 04:10.46 | Wyzard | solitude: Clearly something changed, and I doubt it was the permissions on xorg -- mine's not setuid and it works |
| 04:11.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | cast: Umm... There are TPM drivers in the Linux kernel... that is under the GPL... :/ |
| 04:11.46 | spldart | solitude> I run linux cuz I have WAY less problems than windows...... once configuration is done |
| 04:12.10 | cast | Dark_Apostrophe: it was a while ago when i heard that, so it is somewhat outdated info :) |
| 04:12.25 | Wyzard | solitude: If you're using nVidia you may need to be a member of the "video" group, though I'm not sure whether that applies to OpenGL use or X in general |
| 04:12.27 | cast | Dark_Apostrophe: but what use is TPM with LUKS? |
| 04:12.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | To those who complain about the configuration needed in GNU/Linux, here's a quick reminder of the alternative: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a8/Windows_XP_BSOD.png |
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| 04:13.11 | Wyzard | solitude: and I seem to remember a debconf question somewhere asking whether X use should be allowed for all users, console users only, or root only -- though I don't remember what package that question came from |
| 04:13.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | cast: Well, being a secure storage facility, it could prevent anyone from accessing the encryption keys in any way |
| 04:14.08 | Wyzard | Dark_Apostrophe: I keep my encryption key in my head and type it when I boot |
| 04:14.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | So do I |
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| 04:14.34 | Wyzard | Dark_Apostrophe: I've heard of a TPM client program called "Trousers", but it isn't in Debian |
| 04:14.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | But TPMs add another layer of security - encryption on the hardware, rather than the software level |
| 04:14.55 | Wyzard | and it's still in development afaik |
| 04:15.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
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| 04:15.11 | Wyzard | The TPM doesn't do the encryption stuff |
| 04:15.11 | solitude | so ....; |
| 04:15.11 | solitude | whever exactly is my xserver? |
| 04:15.11 | solitude | i know its somewhere in /usr/X11R6/bin |
| 04:15.11 | Wyzard | It just stores a key |
| 04:15.28 | Wyzard | solitude: Making your X server setuid root is not the correct way to solve your problem |
| 04:15.43 | cast | Dark_Apostrophe: i can understand wanting a cryptoaccelerator, but with luks the password is in your head, the masterkey is in ram - as needed by linux |
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| 04:16.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay |
| 04:16.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | It just seemed like a waste to have it sit there doing nada |
| 04:16.18 | solitude | well, #1 how do i do it anyway #2 have you got a better solution? |
| 04:16.18 | solitude | I just dont understand how it was working, then stopped working by iteself. |
| 04:16.27 | solitude | I ddnt tell it to change anything, so i dont expect it to change anything |
| 04:16.31 | solitude | evidently I was wrong. |
| 04:16.31 | cast | solitude: this is etch? |
| 04:16.35 | solitude | yup |
| 04:16.48 | cast | solitude: tried purging X then installing again? |
| 04:16.53 | Wyzard | Dark_Apostrophe: Basically you'd store the key in the TPM, and at boot time the TPM would give it to the kernel after checking that the kernel hasn't been tampered with |
| 04:17.16 | Wyzard | Dark_Apostrophe: but anytime you upgrade your kernel you'd need to do some sort of TPM-related update too, so that it knows the new kernel is authorized -- I don't know the details of that |
| 04:17.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hmm...that would be a pain in the rear... |
| 04:17.58 | zinx | privacy tends to be a pain in the rear |
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| 04:18.09 | cast | zinx: nah. |
| 04:18.12 | solitude | cast, doesnt help |
| 04:18.20 | Wyzard | solitude: You said you installed some packages... one of those packages must have changed something |
| 04:18.30 | cast | was the TPM implemented to help me with privacy or them with DRM? |
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| 04:18.43 | jetscreamer | no it's not in x11r6 anymore i don't think |
| 04:18.50 | Wyzard | Does anyone remember offhand which package asks the debconf question about what set of users should be allowed to run X? |
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| 04:19.09 | spldart | ooOOoo... DRM can P on your X parade |
| 04:19.11 | Wyzard | cast: either/both |
| 04:19.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | zinx: True, but I don't want someone snooping on me |
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| 04:19.27 | solitude | Wyzard, no |
| 04:19.30 | solitude | i didnt install any packages |
| 04:19.35 | synopsis | I get a fatal error while installing proftpd saying that it could not read the configuration file, does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 04:19.37 | solitude | except for xorg and xfce4 |
| 04:19.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | zinx: So I'd rather have a headache than a stolen credit card number |
| 04:20.18 | cast | Dark_Apostrophe: TPM doesn't help against stolen cc at all |
| 04:20.32 | spldart | Meh... I had my credit card number stolen.. and it wasn't on the Inet... was @ hobby lobby by a dishonest clerk |
| 04:20.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | No, but full disk encryption does |
| 04:20.54 | Wyzard | Dark_Apostrophe: You know disk encryption only helps when your computer's turned off, right? Like if someone steals it? |
| 04:20.55 | wols_ | Dark_Apostrophe: no |
| 04:21.09 | cast | Dark_Apostrophe: i think in the majority of stolen cc numbers FDE wouldn't have helped in the slightest |
| 04:21.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | Wyzard: Yeah, but most of the time when it's on, I'm at it |
| 04:21.24 | Wyzard | Dark_Apostrophe: "Snooping", like connecting over the network and installing a backdoor or whatever, happens while the computer is running and able to access its disk |
| 04:21.36 | spldart | w0rd |
| 04:21.37 | wols_ | Dark_Apostrophe: and most of the time it gets stolen, you send it to the thief |
| 04:21.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | I mean physical snooping |
| 04:22.01 | solitude | Wyzard, ive anrrowed the problem down al itle more |
| 04:22.03 | wols_ | Dark_Apostrophe: why would anyone do this when the risk is so high? |
| 04:22.06 | solitude | like to try and fix it? :) |
| 04:22.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | For electronic snooping, there's iptables, selinux etc. |
| 04:22.11 | Wyzard | solitude: What did you learn? |
| 04:22.25 | solitude | Basically, on first boot, it loads ine whe i use startx |
| 04:22.43 | solitude | but if i switch to another virtual console, then go back to the desktop |
| 04:22.50 | solitude | it shows only a black screen |
| 04:23.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols_: Laptops often get stolen, all it takes is leaving it for a few minutes |
| 04:23.19 | solitude | on first boot, for any user, it works |
| 04:23.34 | wols_ | solitude: sounds like a bad driver |
| 04:23.39 | spldart | ok.. granted.. stolen laptop |
| 04:23.45 | solitude | but if i close and try to restart X, it goes to a black screen |
| 04:23.46 | solitude | and if i use ctrl-alt-f it wont go back to x either |
| 04:23.57 | solitude | wols_ :S im using the onboard intel gfx |
| 04:24.06 | spldart | have you looked at your X log |
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| 04:24.27 | solitude | whats the path to that? |
| 04:24.33 | Wyzard | solitude: Being unable to switch back into X from a text console is definitely not a permissions problem... sounds like a driver issue |
| 04:24.36 | wols_ | solitude: /var/log like all logs |
| 04:25.08 | solitude | rughty |
| 04:25.54 | solitude | shall i just reboot and pastebin the whole thing? |
| 04:26.08 | solitude | or will rebooting and starting a new x session change things? |
| 04:26.40 | spldart | #/var/log/Xorg.0.log methinks |
| 04:27.12 | solitude | yup |
| 04:27.18 | solitude | i did find it |
| 04:27.19 | spldart | EE methinks.... |
| 04:27.22 | Rusty1 | solitude: ctl-alt-backspace will restart x |
| 04:27.24 | Wyzard | spldart: You know, you can type a line beginning with a slash using "/say", or in some clients just by typing a double slash |
| 04:27.38 | spldart | thankies |
| 04:28.10 | cast | Rusty1: well, kill it |
| 04:28.26 | spldart | nano or whateva that log and look for some EE's methinks... or whateva the bad errors are led by |
| 04:29.19 | solitude | russell_, that makes it not work |
| 04:29.25 | solitude | as in, back to black screen |
| 04:29.43 | solitude | hold on, ill reboot again and pastebin /Xorg.0.log.old |
| 04:29.52 | spldart | Only occasionally Nvidia to |
| 04:30.05 | anton_home | can someone give me some help with a serial port issue Im having? |
| 04:30.41 | Wyzard | anton_home: Not unless you tell us what the issue is :-) |
| 04:31.13 | anton_home | Wyzard: lol, ok, I just finished installing a stable version of etch, for the second time |
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| 04:31.34 | anton_home | and continue to have the same issue with the serial port, any time I try to pass data, I get a I/O error |
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| 04:32.21 | solitude | www.pastebin.ca/618746 is the log |
| 04:32.43 | spldart | meh.. that didn't work |
| 04:32.58 | stickybit` | what is the command to install fonts? |
| 04:33.56 | anton_home | Wyzard: Im unsure of how to poll the port to retrieve the I/O error I once got. The only way I poll it now is through a 3rd party program, which gives me a different error(probably specific to the program) |
| 04:34.07 | Guerin | stickybit`: aptitude install font-package-you-want |
| 04:34.08 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search font , pick some, aptitude install whateveryoulike |
| 04:34.11 | Wyzard | solitude: You're using the "vesa" video driver, which is the unaccelerated generic driver |
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| 04:34.23 | jetscreamer | mine's better :p |
| 04:34.42 | Wyzard | solitude: You should use a driver meant specifically for your video card -- you'll get better performance and it'll likely solve the black-screen problem |
| 04:34.54 | stickybit` | Guerin: jetscreamer thanks |
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| 04:35.28 | stickybit` | Guerin: jetscreamer: i have one `.ttf' file... i want to install that... how can i? |
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| 04:35.40 | Guerin | !fonts |
| 04:35.40 | dpkg | methinks fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis |
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| 04:35.47 | Guerin | stickybit`: see there ↑ |
| 04:35.57 | Wyzard | stickybit`: Put it in ~/.fonts and it'll be recognized by most newer applications |
| 04:36.06 | Nyle | ↑↑↑↑↑ |
| 04:36.14 | jetscreamer | fonts are mostly a mystery to me |
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| 04:36.23 | haxality | hi, I was wondering how I could figure out what services on my system are listening on what ports |
| 04:36.40 | Wyzard | stickybit`: It's a bit more work if you want it to be usable by the core X font system (the non-antialiased fonts used by older applications) |
| 04:36.55 | Wyzard | stickybit`: but newer stuff that uses Freetype and Fontconfig should automatically find fonts in ~/.fonts |
| 04:37.16 | stickybit` | Wyzard: ok... |
| 04:37.59 | stickybit` | actually i can install these fonts from `kcontrol -> font installer' |
| 04:38.04 | haxality | anyone? |
| 04:38.15 | stickybit` | but i want to know how to do it from command line |
| 04:38.31 | Wyzard | haxality: lsof -i |
| 04:38.37 | Wyzard | stickybit`: Like I said, put the file in ~/.fonts |
| 04:38.43 | wols_ | haxality: man netstat |
| 04:38.48 | haxality | thank you very much, Wyzard :) |
| 04:38.53 | BFG | how do i change my default browser to iceweasel instead of gnome browser? |
| 04:39.06 | stickybit` | Wyzard: sure |
| 04:39.14 | anton_home | anyone willing to give my serial port issue a stab? |
| 04:39.22 | Wyzard | BFG: System -> Preferences -> Preferred Applications |
| 04:39.23 | wols_ | BFG: set /etc/alternatives/www-browser viw update-alternatives |
| 04:39.27 | BFG | thanks |
| 04:40.19 | solitude | how do i install truetype fonts in debian? |
| 04:40.52 | solitude | the guide i found, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/TT-Debian-7.html, seems a little dated |
| 04:41.23 | Wyzard | solitude: Is your goal to install Microsoft's fonts, or fonts in general? |
| 04:41.37 | solitude | fonts in general |
| 04:41.43 | solitude | the log complained about not finding fonts |
| 04:41.46 | Wyzard | solitude: Microsoft's fonts are in the "msttcorefonts" package |
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| 04:42.21 | solitude | right |
| 04:42.25 | Wyzard | solitude: Those warnings about missing font directories are harmless |
| 04:42.27 | solitude | thanks |
| 04:42.35 | solitude | :| |
| 04:42.36 | solitude | ok |
| 04:42.43 | solitude | any idea what the problem is? :) |
| 04:42.57 | Wyzard | solitude: Those are directories where it would find fonts if there were any, but there aren't, so it ignores them; the fonts are in other places instead |
| 04:43.02 | solitude | right |
| 04:43.08 | Wyzard | solitude: Did you see what I said earlier about using a better video driver? |
| 04:43.13 | Wyzard | You're using the generic VESA driver |
| 04:43.16 | solitude | yes, i did |
| 04:43.26 | solitude | but the only driver experience iev had is usong aticonfig |
| 04:43.48 | Wyzard | Then use aticonfig, if you have an ATI card |
| 04:43.55 | Wyzard | or use the free driver, if it supports your card |
| 04:43.55 | solitude | its an onboard intel one |
| 04:44.03 | Wyzard | ok |
| 04:44.05 | solitude | so there isnt an automagic driver for it |
| 04:44.08 | stickybit` | wols_: my default browser is Iceweasel but /etc/alternatives/www-browser shows /usr/bin/lynx |
| 04:44.30 | Wyzard | then make sure you have the xserver-xorg-video-intel package installed (you probably already do) and change your driver to "intel" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 04:44.39 | solitude | ok |
| 04:44.42 | Wyzard | or run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select the Intel driver that way |
| 04:45.06 | haxality | do I need rpcbind running on my computer for any particular reason? |
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| 04:45.26 | Wyzard | stickybit`: The GNOME browser setting is separate from the alternatives system (which isn't specific to GNOME) |
| 04:45.35 | Wyzard | haxality: It's needed by NFS and FAM |
| 04:45.39 | stickybit` | gnome-www-browser is set to Iceweasel |
| 04:45.43 | haxality | FAM? |
| 04:46.06 | Wyzard | haxality: File Alteration Monitor -- desktop apps use it to watch for changes in directories |
| 04:46.09 | piztek | what program should i be using if i want to create a playable dvd with .avi and .mpeg files? |
| 04:46.11 | haxality | ahhh ok. |
| 04:46.14 | haxality | so in other words, yes. |
| 04:46.18 | haxality | what about auth? |
| 04:46.19 | Guerin | piztek: google |
| 04:46.20 | Wyzard | haxality: There's an alternate implementation called "gamin" which works like FAM but doesn't use RPC |
| 04:46.29 | anton_home | should I be able to cat a serial port as a user? or only as su? |
| 04:46.43 | Guerin | anton_home: depends on the port's permissions, which you can see with ls -l |
| 04:46.52 | piztek | Guerin: what do you use? |
| 04:47.01 | haxality | hmm, I actually have gamin installed |
| 04:47.09 | haxality | and fam isn't installed |
| 04:47.10 | Wyzard | anton_home: Serial ports are probably owned by the "dialout" group, which you can put yourself in |
| 04:47.14 | anton_home | crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4 |
| 04:47.22 | Wyzard | haxality: OK, then you probably don't need rpcbind :-) |
| 04:47.30 | solitude | Wyzard, using the intel driver hasnt solved it |
| 04:47.31 | anton_home | how can I add myself :) |
| 04:47.32 | haxality | cool. |
| 04:47.47 | haxality | my last question is whether I need this 'auth' service running |
| 04:47.52 | jetscreamer | gamin doesn't depend on udev either or something |
| 04:47.54 | haxality | or, rather, what 'auth' serves to do |
| 04:48.01 | jetscreamer | or was it some other package |
| 04:48.12 | jetscreamer | but there was a plus on it's side in that manner |
| 04:48.16 | Wyzard | solid_liq: You still can't switch away from X and back? |
| 04:48.21 | Wyzard | oops, solitude ^^^ |
| 04:48.26 | anton_home | will chmod 777 /dev/ttyS0 work? |
| 04:48.36 | solitude | still cant |
| 04:48.37 | Wyzard | anton_home: Don't do that |
| 04:48.41 | anton_home | lol |
| 04:48.43 | Guerin | piztek: i don't make dvds. |
| 04:48.44 | anton_home | a bit no no huh? |
| 04:48.55 | Wyzard | anton_home: It'd "work", yes, but we have filesystem permissions for a reason |
| 04:49.00 | Wyzard | anton_home: Put yourself in the dialout group |
| 04:49.21 | anton_home | honestly, I dont know how to do that :) |
| 04:49.32 | haxality | actually, I lied, I was also wondering why I need portmap installed |
| 04:49.34 | Wyzard | solitude: dunno about that, then... I've been using that driver on my laptop ever since it went into Debian, and I used the "i915" driver for about a year before that |
| 04:49.39 | anton_home | Im only partially fluent in linux, sadly, still learning |
| 04:50.17 | Gigantic | *This vagabond visitator venture to voice a vitriolic hello to everyone here |
| 04:50.19 | Wyzard | anton_home: Well, the "I don't know how to do it the right way so maybe I should just chmod 777" isn't going to help you learn |
| 04:50.32 | Wyzard | anton_home: # adduser <yourusername> dialout |
| 04:50.36 | Wyzard | anton_home: Then log out and back in |
| 04:50.55 | Wyzard | Supaplex: openvpn |
| 04:50.55 | anton_home | already a member of dialout |
| 04:50.58 | solitude | hmm |
| 04:51.10 | Wyzard | anton_home: Log out and back in -- group memberships only take effect at login time |
| 04:51.19 | Supaplex | Wyzard: yup, looks like what I want. yay <search>. |
| 04:51.35 | synopsis | Does anyone know how to fix this error "Fatal: error processing configuration file '/etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf'" when installing proftpd? |
| 04:51.37 | solitude | thanks for trying Wyzard |
| 04:52.00 | Guerin | synopsis: it probably means the config is busted |
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| 04:52.07 | Guerin | synopsis: why are you using proftpd? |
| 04:52.18 | Guerin | use vsftp; it's much saner and simpler |
| 04:52.27 | synopsis | What's the command to install it? |
| 04:52.33 | anton_home | Wyzard, logged out and back in, when I cat /dev/ttyS0 as user, I get no such device |
| 04:52.47 | Guerin | synopsis: aptitude install vsftpd |
| 04:52.55 | piztek | anyone know anything about avidemux? |
| 04:52.58 | Wyzard | anton_home: That probably means ttyS0 isn't bound to an actual serial port |
| 04:53.04 | Guerin | synopsis: i get the feeling you're not the sort of person who should be running a ftpd, though |
| 04:53.17 | Guerin | piztek: the people on doom9 probably do |
| 04:53.32 | Guerin | piztek: this is not a multimedia or video authoring channel; ask someone else |
| 04:53.42 | synopsis | What do you mean? |
| 04:53.43 | anton_home | Wyzard, I would agree with that, now how do I bind some /dev/ttyS* to the physical serial port? |
| 04:54.00 | Guerin | synopsis: i mean you seem too clueless to be put in charge of a public service |
| 04:54.13 | Guerin | synopsis: fortunately, this condition is curable |
| 04:54.15 | Wyzard | anton_home: Take a look at the "setserial" package -- it provides the tool for configuring serial devices, and a config file that you can use to set them up automatically when the system boots |
| 04:54.29 | anton_home | great |
| 04:54.32 | anton_home | let me take a look |
| 04:54.41 | synopsis | Lol, I just need to use it for myself for a function through PHP. |
| 04:54.52 | anton_home | as an aside, this is a pretty generic laptop, why wouldnt the serial port get bound during installation |
| 04:55.00 | synopsis | Somehow like I'm not able to login to any of these services, pureftpd, proftpd, including vsftpd... |
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| 04:55.27 | Wyzard | anton_home: Serial ports are legacy devices that don't do autoconfiguration like modern USB or whatever |
| 04:55.31 | wols_ | synopsis: error messages are a wonderful thing |
| 04:55.41 | anton_home | hmm alright, |
| 04:56.11 | synopsis | wols_, how do I get error messages for vsftpd? |
| 04:56.11 | Wyzard | anton_home: though, speaking of USB, I have a USB-to-serial adapter that does autoconfigure in Debian |
| 04:56.26 | Wyzard | anton_home: cost about $15 USD |
| 04:56.37 | anton_home | ya, Ive thought about it |
| 04:56.43 | anton_home | but the problem has intrigued me |
| 04:56.49 | anton_home | ftdi devices are great things |
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| 04:57.07 | anton_home | ok package installed |
| 04:57.11 | Wyzard | anton_home: (My current system's motherboard doesn't even have serial ports, but I have an HP48 calculator that I occasionally want to transfer files to/from) |
| 04:57.54 | anton_home | Wyzard, honestly I would have rather used USB, but for a microcontroller project this is what I had layign around |
| 04:58.24 | anton_home | Wyzard, Im not much of a computer nut, so some of the commands for setserial are scaring me |
| 04:58.26 | Wyzard | makes sense... RS-232 is much simpler from a hardware perspective anyway |
| 04:59.04 | stickybit` | Wyzard: i can see lots of symlinks in /etc/alternatives..... for what purpose this directory is used?... n00b here |
| 04:59.07 | Wyzard | anton_home: I don't remember setserial's syntax offhand... I haven't needed to use it in a long time |
| 05:00.01 | Wyzard | stickybit`: They're used in cases where there are potentially multiple different implementations of the same command |
| 05:00.01 | Guerin | synopsis: because all ftp servers disable local user logins by default |
| 05:00.22 | anton_home | Wyzard, dmesg |grep /dev/ttyS* told me some of the information needed, including the uart type, and irq |
| 05:00.24 | synopsis | really..., how do I fix this? |
| 05:00.25 | Guerin | synopsis: because they're *incredibly* insecure. Consult the vsftpd documentation to see how to change it. |
| 05:00.35 | anton_home | Wyzard, I think the port as well |
| 05:00.36 | Guerin | synopsis: man vsftpd |
| 05:00.40 | synopsis | is it possible to just make an account? |
| 05:00.45 | synopsis | and not care about the local user accounts? |
| 05:00.46 | Wyzard | stickybit`: like emacs, for example -- there's an "emacs21" package and an "emacs22" package, and you can install both, and the alternatives system is used to determine which one runs when you type "emacs" |
| 05:01.20 | Guerin | synopsis: you can use a virtual account, sure. It's described in the doc. That's what I'd recommend. |
| 05:01.40 | synopsis | okay, I'll check it out |
| 05:01.43 | synopsis | but I have a problem |
| 05:01.45 | synopsis | 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket |
| 05:01.58 | synopsis | nvm |
| 05:02.29 | Wyzard | stickybit`: man update-alternatives |
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| 05:05.53 | anton_home | Wyzard, can you give some insite into this package, Im struggling with the syntax. |
| 05:06.36 | synopsis | How do I start vsftpd? |
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| 05:06.41 | synopsis | is it vsftpd -B? |
| 05:07.15 | solitude | check man vsftpd |
| 05:07.19 | Wyzard | anton_home: If you know the UART type and port and such, you'd just run "setserial /dev/ttyS0 port <foo> irq <bar> uart <baz>" etc. |
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| 05:07.26 | synopsis | its so useless |
| 05:07.29 | synopsis | i just checked it |
| 05:07.54 | Wyzard | synopsis: Shouldn't it be "/etc/init.d/vsftpd start" ? |
| 05:08.02 | Wyzard | synopsis: daemons generally have initscripts |
| 05:08.30 | synopsis | hmmm |
| 05:08.32 | synopsis | okay |
| 05:08.39 | synopsis | well the conf file that something to allow local users to login |
| 05:08.43 | synopsis | which there is only 1 |
| 05:08.47 | synopsis | but I don't think its working |
| 05:09.30 | anton_home | Wyzard, could the port be hex? the line Im pulling my info from reads "serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0X3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A" |
| 05:09.44 | Wyzard | anton_home: yeah, it's hex |
| 05:10.05 | Wyzard | anton_home: typically ttyS0 is 0x3f8 and ttyS1 is 0x2f8 |
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| 05:10.51 | anton_home | ok so I have the port |
| 05:10.58 | Wyzard | and 16550A is indeed the UART type -- you'd have to find a *really* old PC to get anything other than a 16550A |
| 05:11.06 | anton_home | ok |
| 05:11.46 | anton_home | seems I dont need to change anything then? |
| 05:12.00 | Wyzard | You'll also want to edit the config file -- it's /etc/serial.conf or /etc/setserial/serial.conf or something like that |
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| 05:12.09 | Wyzard | so that your settings get applied at boot time |
| 05:12.58 | anton_home | Im not sure if this fixes the problem though :) |
| 05:13.49 | Wyzard | Well, "no such device" is generally a message you get from a driver when it can't find the hardware it's supposed to be driving |
| 05:13.49 | anton_home | Wyzard, still very weird that when I do a "cat /dev/ttyS0" as a user I get a No such device error |
| 05:14.04 | anton_home | yes I agree |
| 05:14.12 | anton_home | and I still get the erros |
| 05:14.16 | anton_home | error* |
| 05:14.23 | Wyzard | dunno then |
| 05:14.45 | Wyzard | It's been a very long time since I've used any serial ports except that USB thing I mentioned, and all I had to do with that was plug it in |
| 05:15.16 | synopsis | I need to edit a file called passwd, what is the default form in adding a new account to this file? |
| 05:15.32 | anton_home | what is weird, is with the application Im using I get the same error if I substitute /dev/ttyUSB0 |
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| 05:15.39 | solitude | synopsis? |
| 05:15.42 | anton_home | but thats not to say they are caused by the same thing |
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| 05:16.11 | solitude | you use adduser to make a new acccount |
| 05:16.12 | solitude | and passwd to change the pass |
| 05:16.12 | solitude | why does Bhaal keep doing that? O_o |
| 05:16.47 | Wyzard | solitude: Are you answering your own question? |
| 05:17.01 | Wyzard | solitude: Use the "adduser" and "passwd" programs rather than editing /etc/passwd directly |
| 05:17.13 | synopsis | whoops |
| 05:17.14 | synopsis | lol |
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| 05:17.58 | anton_home | Wyzard, thanks for your help. This problem is totally baffling me |
| 05:18.20 | Wyzard | (though, as background info, if you do need to edit /etc/passwd, the "vipw" program is the preferred way to do it, and there's an /etc/shadow file with corresponding entries, which you edit with "vipw -s") |
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| 05:19.16 | synopsis | I still can't get a username to login to the FTP function |
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| 05:19.21 | synopsis | It just doesn't work for me |
| 05:19.27 | solitude | Wyzard? no, i was answering synopsis |
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| 05:19.32 | solitude | gah |
| 05:19.33 | synopsis | I'm doing adduser |
| 05:19.35 | Glaucus | how can I find any folders which have write privileges for others in certain mounts? |
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| 05:19.42 | Wyzard | synopsis: oops, sorry -- I misread your nick :-) |
| 05:19.44 | synopsis | then passwd |
| 05:19.48 | synopsis | haha |
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| 05:19.55 | synopsis | I still can't get it to work... |
| 05:20.03 | Pencil | hey, when you restart remotely threw SSH |
| 05:20.04 | infernal_jesus | dvd playback is choppy and the picture is messed up |
| 05:20.21 | Pencil | will it require me to type a password in on the ACTUAL computer? |
| 05:20.28 | Pencil | i just installed debian threw netinst. |
| 05:20.30 | davidL | libghc6-haskell-src-dev: Depends: ghc6 (< 6.6+) but 6.6.1-2 is to be installed |
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| 05:20.42 | Wyzard | synopsis: You don't need to create a new user account... you already have one |
| 05:20.48 | infernal_jesus | anyone have an idea? |
| 05:20.50 | synopsis | root access? |
| 05:21.01 | davidL | wtf is wrong with libghc6-haskell-src-dev |
| 05:21.02 | Wyzard | synopsis: No, your normal login account |
| 05:21.19 | synopsis | which i made through adduser |
| 05:21.25 | synopsis | which currently still does not work |
| 05:21.45 | Wyzard | The initial user is set up during installation |
| 05:21.51 | Wyzard | of Debian, that is |
| 05:22.00 | Wyzard | anyway, making more user accounts isn't going to make a difference |
| 05:22.05 | synopsis | oh |
| 05:22.08 | synopsis | i don't know |
| 05:22.12 | synopsis | what the initial user account is |
| 05:22.23 | synopsis | a datacenter installed debian on the machine for me |
| 05:22.28 | Wyzard | oh, ok |
| 05:22.36 | synopsis | is there a way to find out? |
| 05:22.56 | Wyzard | You could look in /etc/passwd, or at the subdirectories in /home |
| 05:23.10 | synopsis | uh |
| 05:23.12 | synopsis | there's two |
| 05:23.15 | synopsis | fdc and ftp |
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| 05:23.24 | synopsis | i'm guessing fdc |
| 05:23.25 | Wyzard | Is "fdc" the user that you added? |
| 05:23.31 | synopsis | i dunno, the datacenter did |
| 05:23.36 | synopsis | and that's the datacenter name |
| 05:23.41 | synopsis | could I change the username |
| 05:23.46 | synopsis | and password |
| 05:23.52 | synopsis | and see if I could login with those credentials? |
| 05:23.59 | Wyzard | If you want to, but none of this has anything to do with vsftpd |
| 05:24.05 | synopsis | oh |
| 05:24.06 | synopsis | okay |
| 05:24.09 | synopsis | wonderful |
| 05:24.21 | synopsis | Somehow I still can't login to vsftpd |
| 05:24.26 | synopsis | I keep getting authentication failed |
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| 05:24.41 | Wyzard | Someone explained to you earlier, vsftpd forbids normal user logins by default, for security reasons |
| 05:24.43 | fungo | hiii this is kenny rogers |
| 05:25.05 | synopsis | Yeah, but I disabled that in the config file and it should be working... |
| 05:25.09 | Wyzard | It has its own list of FTP users, completely separate from the system's user accounts |
| 05:25.15 | solitude | argh |
| 05:25.23 | solitude | Wyzard, new interesting problem :D |
| 05:25.23 | synopsis | Do you know how I can access this list? |
| 05:25.25 | wols_ | Wyzard: since when? |
| 05:25.27 | Wyzard | so it sounds like a vsftpd config problem |
| 05:25.33 | solitude | lspciis missing, and its not on the mirror either! |
| 05:25.45 | wols_ | Wyzard: and it has anon user disabled by default. not normal users |
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| 05:26.00 | wols_ | solitude: it is. /msg dpkg search |
| 05:26.12 | AyeJay | hey, i just installed netinst, and as debian booted up, it asked me for my password for root. |
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| 05:26.13 | Wyzard | wols_: oh, I misunderstood -- I thought it was forbidding normal users |
| 05:26.28 | AyeJay | if i were to restart with SSH remotely, would it still ask me for my password everytime i booted? |
| 05:26.33 | wols_ | synopsis: grep 1000 /etc/passwd |
| 05:27.02 | Wyzard | AyeJay: It asked you specifically for your root password? Or it gave you a login prompt and you just logged in as root? |
| 05:27.19 | AyeJay | it gave me a login prompt. |
| 05:27.38 | AyeJay | and i logged ein as root, because grub chosed to boot that instea dof the hsingle user. |
| 05:27.38 | synopsis | thank you wols |
| 05:27.40 | synopsis | problem solved |
| 05:27.44 | synopsis | and thank you too wyzard |
| 05:27.54 | synopsis | so anything with 1000 should work? |
| 05:27.54 | Wyzard | AyeJay: When you see the login prompt it means the system is finished booting |
| 05:28.08 | AyeJay | oh, continue. |
| 05:28.09 | Wyzard | AyeJay: You can SSH in at that point |
| 05:28.13 | wols_ | synopsis: no |
| 05:28.14 | AyeJay | OH, thanks a bunch. |
| 05:28.24 | AyeJay | i was afraid that id have to walk to my freinds uncles house |
| 05:28.25 | Wyzard | AyeJay: You only need to log in at the console if you want to actually use the console |
| 05:28.28 | AyeJay | everytime i wanted to restart threw SSH |
| 05:28.37 | AyeJay | OH, Wyzard. thanks for your support, i appreciate it. |
| 05:28.55 | solitude | gah |
| 05:29.06 | solitude | in my souces.list |
| 05:29.11 | AyeJay | can you give me a guide or help me setup the networking on this computer? as i was installing via netinst, i didnt have the eterhnet cable plugged in |
| 05:29.17 | infernal_jesus | I'm having trouble with hdparm and DMA |
| 05:29.22 | solitude | i have deb http:..http.us/debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 05:29.33 | solitude | is there any possible reason why lspci would not be there? |
| 05:29.38 | AyeJay | during the setup, i chose to install the network manually |
| 05:29.49 | Guerin | solitude: you haven't installed pciutils? |
| 05:30.00 | Wyzard | AyeJay: That statement doesn't make any sense... netinst works by downloading packages during installation; you can't do a network install without a network connection |
| 05:30.09 | solitude | aha |
| 05:30.12 | solitude | thanks Guerin |
| 05:30.18 | solitude | couldnt remember the package nme |
| 05:30.21 | Guerin | all part of the service |
| 05:30.28 | AyeJay | hm, well i used the boot cd given by netinst. |
| 05:30.33 | AyeJay | maybe the installation wasn't finished? |
| 05:30.40 | AyeJay | cus it was installing GRUB. |
| 05:30.43 | AyeJay | and it told me to take the CD out. |
| 05:30.52 | Wyzard | AyeJay: sounds like it wasn't a netinst CD, then |
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| 05:31.10 | AyeJay | hm, debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso is it right? |
| 05:31.17 | wols_ | Wyzard: netinst doesn't need a network connection to install a base system. businesscard does however |
| 05:31.25 | wols_ | you don't get ssh with a netinst only tho |
| 05:31.45 | AyeJay | hm, well im sorry for the hassle guys. haha |
| 05:31.52 | AyeJay | i'm still learning, im reading the documents on debian.org right now. |
| 05:32.09 | AyeJay | so i should just insert the netinst cd and install it when i have the ethernet cable plugged in? |
| 05:32.15 | AyeJay | cus theres a menu where it lets me select what step to do |
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| 05:32.35 | solitude | AyeJay, youdont even need a network |
| 05:32.40 | solitude | ill give you a usable base system alone,. |
| 05:32.51 | Wyzard | AyeJay: If you see that menu to select the next step, it means it tried to automatically go to the next step but failed for some reason -- probably because of the lack of a network connection :-) |
| 05:33.06 | AyeJay | nah its because i pressed ESC haha |
| 05:33.07 | Wyzard | AyeJay: That menu is normally hidden, unless you use expert mode |
| 05:33.09 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 05:33.14 | AyeJay | (keyboard is really small) |
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| 05:33.21 | AyeJay | yeah it installed GRUB |
| 05:33.25 | AyeJay | then told me to take the cd out. |
| 05:33.33 | AyeJay | so i took it out |
| 05:33.40 | AyeJay | and it worked, i figured i was done. |
| 05:33.43 | AyeJay | am i wrong? |
| 05:34.16 | Wyzard | Installing GRUB and rebooting is the last step in the installation, but if you used that menu you might possibly have skipped over steps in the middle |
| 05:35.01 | Wyzard | You could get rid of that uncertainty, as well as avoid needing to configure the network manually, by reinstalling with the network cable connected |
| 05:35.01 | AyeJay | nah i didnt us ethe menu |
| 05:35.16 | AyeJay | i put the CD back in and ots at Detect metwprl jardware |
| 05:35.28 | AyeJay | what is PCMCIA hardware? |
| 05:35.33 | AyeJay | its asking for the PCMCIA resource range options. |
| 05:35.53 | wols_ | AyeJay: PC Card. notebooks |
| 05:35.57 | wols_ | !pvmcia |
| 05:36.02 | wols_ | !pcmcia |
| 05:36.02 | dpkg | PCMCIA is a hardware expansion technology for laptop computers. It stands for, "People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms". Ask me about <pcmcia cards>. Okay, okay, the real acronym can be found on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCMCIA Communication is similar to PCI or ISA, but a PCMCIA or CardBus bridge has a credit-card-sized form factor, and many cards are hot-pluggable. |
| 05:36.02 | AyeJay | hm, but im not using a laptop. |
| 05:36.14 | AyeJay | did i do something wrong during the setup? |
| 05:36.18 | Wyzard | then it shouldn't be asking you about that |
| 05:36.19 | wols_ | no |
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| 05:36.34 | Wyzard | Escaping out to that menu may have activated expert mode, though |
| 05:36.41 | Wyzard | which asks a lot more questions |
| 05:36.42 | AyeJay | oh damn |
| 05:36.43 | Wyzard | Just press Enter |
| 05:36.48 | AyeJay | i did |
| 05:36.53 | AyeJay | it said it cannot detect etehrnet card |
| 05:37.04 | AyeJay | well no first it said, load missing drivers from a driver floppy? |
| 05:37.18 | Wyzard | ah, so it couldn't find a network card in the system so it asked about PCMCIA in case it's one of those |
| 05:37.23 | Wyzard | What kind of network card does this computer have? |
| 05:37.32 | AyeJay | im nto sure, windows detected it |
| 05:37.37 | AyeJay | its a xseries 230 |
| 05:37.40 | AyeJay | by IBM |
| 05:37.47 | AyeJay | im at there site right now, trying to get the drivers. |
| 05:38.04 | wols_ | AyeJay: you won't find them there |
| 05:38.10 | AyeJay | yeah it's a gigabit |
| 05:38.29 | AyeJay | oh really? so what should i do wols_? |
| 05:38.44 | wols_ | check what pci devices you have available |
| 05:38.54 | wols_ | one of them is probably the network card |
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| 05:39.03 | wols_ | knowing intel it's probably some newer e1000 one |
| 05:39.14 | AyeJay | hm, i have no idea, how would i check the pci devices? |
| 05:39.16 | Wyzard | AyeJay: Press Alt-F2 to get to a shell, and then run "lspci | grep Ethernet" |
| 05:39.18 | wols_ | and your debian installer kernel might not have the drivers for it if you are unlucky |
| 05:39.28 | Wyzard | wols_: e1000 should be supported though |
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| 05:39.47 | wols_ | Wyzard: not all. there are some very new ones that arent... |
| 05:39.50 | Wyzard | ah |
| 05:39.59 | Wyzard | didn't know there were multiple versions with the same name |
| 05:40.01 | wols_ | I've seen people having problems with them in here |
| 05:40.18 | AyeJay | hm well i went esc again |
| 05:40.24 | AyeJay | its asking me load installer compnents from CD |
| 05:40.29 | AyeJay | would you recommend OpenSSH? |
| 05:40.34 | Wyzard | Why do you keep pressing Escape? |
| 05:40.43 | Wyzard | and no, you don't need SSH during your installation |
| 05:40.48 | wols_ | AyeJay: Wyzard told you to do something. do it |
| 05:40.52 | AyeJay | gitcga, |
| 05:41.06 | synopsis | what's the command to list the # of files in a folder? |
| 05:41.35 | wols_ | synopsis: ls -l | wc -l and subrtact 2 |
| 05:41.46 | Wyzard | Why not just "ls | wc -l" ? |
| 05:41.53 | wols_ | Wyzard: . and .. |
| 05:41.57 | AyeJay | *gotcha. |
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| 05:42.02 | AyeJay | nothing came up Wyzard |
| 05:42.29 | wols_ | Wyzard: it's an unknown device |
| 05:42.38 | wols_ | AyeJay: lspci only. do you see something unknown? |
| 05:42.38 | AyeJay | but when i typed lspci alone, i saw ethernet controller: broadcom corporation netxtreme |
| 05:42.55 | wols_ | ick. boradcom |
| 05:42.58 | Wyzard | wols_: hmm, weird... I was going to say that those two don't show up if you don't use "-l", but it appears that "ls" on my system is not showing those two entries at all |
| 05:43.10 | AyeJay | sorry if im typing too much, this keyboard is so small im hitting my enter button on accident/ |
| 05:43.24 | AyeJay | wols_, is there something wrong with broadcom? |
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| 05:44.01 | jhulst | If I'm trying to run make to compile some code and I get an error about missing /lib/modules/, is there something to install that I am missing? |
| 05:44.04 | wols_ | Wyzard: true. here neither... |
| 05:44.08 | Guerin | apart from them being evil bastards who make shit hardware with no decent drivers, nothing |
| 05:44.28 | wols_ | jhulst: either you tell us the exact error message or we can't help you |
| 05:44.30 | AyeJay | its was case sensitive wyzard. |
| 05:44.44 | jhulst | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.21-2-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 05:44.46 | Wyzard | Guerin: That's their wireless... this is a wired card |
| 05:44.48 | AyeJay | i typed lspci | grep Ethernet |
| 05:44.52 | AyeJay | and the broadcom one came up. |
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| 05:45.06 | wols_ | jhulst: what are you trying to compile? |
| 05:45.22 | Wyzard | My laptop has a Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5751M, which uses the "tg3" driver and has been supported for at least a year and a half |
| 05:45.26 | wols_ | Wyzard: wired or wireless. same thing with broadcom |
| 05:45.32 | jhulst | wols_: A driver for the Ralink rt61 wireless card |
| 05:45.41 | wols_ | !ralink |
| 05:45.41 | dpkg | Ralink makes WLAN chipsets (For list of products: http://ralink.rapla.net/ ). Ralink are notable for releasing software interface specs and (more or less buggy) GPL drivers for the RT2500, and do not require a (non-free) firmware. Out-of-tree kernel modules are available in Etch for rt2400 and rt2500. The Ralink driver project at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com is developing a very expected rt2x00 driver. |
| 05:45.52 | AyeJay | what would you suggest i do wyzard or wols_? |
| 05:45.54 | Glaucus | anyone here using gnu screen ? -- how do I resize a vertical split? |
| 05:46.09 | wols_ | jhulst: m-a has that already. no need for you to do it manually |
| 05:46.14 | SerajewelKS | Glaucus: man screen |
| 05:46.30 | wols_ | AyeJay: try tg3 driver as Wyzard suggested |
| 05:46.32 | jhulst | wols_: m-a? |
| 05:46.36 | wols_ | !m-a |
| 05:46.36 | dpkg | methinks module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
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| 05:46.37 | Guerin | wols_: rt61 is not the same as rt2x00 |
| 05:46.46 | AyeJay | hm, how would i install the tg3 driver? the broadcom site? |
| 05:46.54 | synopsis | how to change debians clock to GMT? |
| 05:46.54 | wols_ | Guerin: it is. same driver package. I built one myself |
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| 05:47.03 | Glaucus | SerajewelKS: eh? it's not there yet |
| 05:47.10 | wols_ | Guerin: they distribute them all together |
| 05:47.19 | Wyzard | wols_: I installed Debian on my laptop in late 2005 and that card was detected automatically by the installer |
| 05:47.24 | Guerin | wols_: hm, interesting. I had one which needed a separate driver. |
| 05:47.26 | wols_ | synopsis: which one? system or BIOS? |
| 05:47.38 | Wyzard | wols_: but isn't tg3 one of the drivers that was being considered for removal due to non-free firmware or something like that? |
| 05:47.40 | synopsis | system |
| 05:47.44 | Glaucus | SerajewelKS: not to mention I think there's a policy here about `rtfm` and `google x` and `man x` |
| 05:47.47 | Guerin | wols_: both rt61 and rt73 i had to build manually |
| 05:48.07 | AyeJay | hm, this is complicated haha. |
| 05:48.08 | wols_ | Guerin: some time ago but IIRC I used m-a |
| 05:48.40 | Wyzard | AyeJay: It's probably a newer model than the one in my laptop, which might not be supported |
| 05:48.40 | Guerin | probably just pebcak on my part ;) |
| 05:48.40 | Wyzard | AyeJay: I'd try a different network card |
| 05:48.44 | AyeJay | shoot. |
| 05:48.48 | AyeJay | well it looks lik emy motherboard |
| 05:48.50 | AyeJay | comes with a network card |
| 05:49.00 | AyeJay | it has 3 ethernet ports |
| 05:49.01 | SerajewelKS | Glaucus: what policy |
| 05:49.10 | wols_ | Guerin: or brainfart on mine. my brain is not what it ever used to be |
| 05:49.13 | AyeJay | RS485 something like that |
| 05:49.14 | AyeJay | and it has A & B |
| 05:49.15 | Glaucus | !rtfm |
| 05:49.15 | dpkg | it has been said that rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 05:49.23 | jhulst | wols_: could you give me a little more guidance, should I use rt2x00? |
| 05:49.27 | SerajewelKS | Glaucus: thank you for proving my point |
| 05:49.31 | Glaucus | !google |
| 05:49.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 05:49.51 | chrisphoneman | hahaha |
| 05:49.53 | AyeJay | well, i dont have a spare network card on me, so im out of options haha. |
| 05:49.57 | wols_ | jhulst: I would try it. if you try m-a your build problems will be gone too since it will isntall your kernel headers too |
| 05:50.02 | ricky | Hm... maybe it'd be nice if !rtfm mentioned /usr/share/doc/[package] as well :) |
| 05:50.05 | AyeJay | i had windows installed on this earlier, i erased it though. |
| 05:50.10 | Glaucus | SerajewelKS: the thing is that man find does `not` have any information on vertical splits |
| 05:50.45 | SerajewelKS | Glaucus: resizing should still function the same |
| 05:50.54 | SerajewelKS | Glaucus: C-a : resize ... |
| 05:50.56 | Wyzard | AyeJay: I keep a few cheap RTL8139 cards around for troubleshooting purposes :-) |
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| 05:51.04 | infernal_jesus | anyone here have murrine installed? |
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| 05:51.19 | wols_ | !tell infernal_jesus about anyone |
| 05:51.32 | klikklak | I configured tor, how can I tell that bittorrent is _not_ going through it? |
| 05:51.37 | Glaucus | SerajewelKS: well what if screen is split vertically and horizontally, which way will it resize? |
| 05:51.53 | Wyzard | klikklak: bittorrent through Tor is discouraged, you know |
| 05:51.59 | Glaucus | SerajewelKS: it defaults to a vertical resize, not a horizontal one |
| 05:52.21 | infernal_jesus | when I run ./configure it tells me it can't find GTK, but I have the latest GTK installed (says aptitude) |
| 05:52.21 | wols_ | klim_: don't set your BT client up that way. don't use a proxy/socks server |
| 05:52.39 | wols_ | infernal_jesus: you need the -dev pakcaage for gtk |
| 05:53.03 | SerajewelKS | Glaucus: C-a : resize -h ... |
| 05:53.23 | infernal_jesus | wols_: what is the exact name? |
| 05:53.41 | infernal_jesus | because I can't find it |
| 05:53.46 | wols_ | then search harder |
| 05:53.58 | infernal_jesus | ... |
| 05:54.00 | Wyzard | infernal_jesus: murrine is packaged in testing and unstable |
| 05:54.14 | Wyzard | infernal_jesus: It'd be better to use the package rather than compiling it yourself |
| 05:54.17 | wols_ | Wyzard: <dpkg> Package 'murrine' does not exist. |
| 05:54.23 | synopsis | how do I sync my system time with an ndst server? |
| 05:54.30 | wols_ | Wyzard: it would be better to do a simple sid backport that is |
| 05:54.33 | Wyzard | wols_: gtk2-engines-murrine |
| 05:54.38 | synopsis | nist* |
| 05:54.39 | wols_ | synopsis: ntpdate or ntp |
| 05:54.54 | synopsis | neither work |
| 05:55.01 | wols_ | !tell synopsis about doesn't work |
| 05:55.19 | infernal_jesus | Wyzard: can't find it |
| 05:55.32 | synopsis | -bash: ntpdate: command not found |
| 05:55.38 | synopsis | is the command I get |
| 05:55.41 | wols_ | !tell synopsis about installit |
| 05:55.41 | synopsis | or the message |
| 05:55.58 | Wyzard | infernal_jesus: It's not in stable, only in testing/unstable |
| 05:56.09 | synopsis | haha |
| 05:56.10 | synopsis | thanks |
| 05:56.11 | Wyzard | !tell infernal_jesus about simple sid backport |
| 05:56.34 | Wyzard | infernal_jesus: Check backports.org first though |
| 05:56.52 | synopsis | how do I display the current time? |
| 05:56.55 | Glaucus | SerajewelKS: here's a screenshot: http://tinyurl.com/3cvjm3 -- it's a screen split in 4 windows, :resize -v and :resize -h don't seem to work |
| 05:57.02 | infernal_jesus | Wyzard: thanks |
| 05:57.03 | infernal_jesus | :) |
| 05:57.04 | wols_ | synopsis: man date |
| 05:57.09 | synopsis | stupid me |
| 05:57.11 | synopsis | sorry |
| 05:57.15 | SerajewelKS | Glaucus: are you using a patched screen? |
| 05:57.29 | Glaucus | SerajewelKS: nope, just the latest from cvs |
| 05:57.40 | SerajewelKS | Glaucus: you are not using a debian package? |
| 05:57.55 | Glaucus | SerajewelKS: well technically I am |
| 05:57.56 | Wyzard | infernal_jesus: If the "simple sid backport" doesn't work, consider using Ubuntu rather than Debian -- feisty has the murrine package, and it's aimed at desktop systems anyway |
| 05:58.00 | wols_ | Glaucus: no you are not |
| 05:58.12 | Glaucus | SerajewelKS: I made it into a dpkg package before installing it |
| 05:58.14 | wols_ | Glaucus: tehcnially (great weasel word) or otherwise |
| 05:58.20 | SerajewelKS | Glaucus: then you are asking in the wrong place |
| 05:58.28 | infernal_jesus | Wyzard: I've added unstable/testing repositories |
| 05:58.37 | SerajewelKS | Glaucus: this channel is for support of debian-produced source and binary packages |
| 05:58.48 | infernal_jesus | when I went to install gtk2-engines-murrine it wants to remove linux-kernel-headers |
| 05:59.11 | Wyzard | infernal_jesus: probably a conflict due to dependency differences between stable and testing |
| 05:59.14 | Glaucus | wols_: ever used checkinstall? |
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| 05:59.36 | SerajewelKS | Glaucus: you are not using debian-provided screen, therefore we cannot help you with your question |
| 05:59.38 | infernal_jesus | Wyzard: hm.. so any other way I can get the package? :P |
| 05:59.41 | Wyzard | Glaucus: Making a .deb file doesn't mean it's a supported Debian package |
| 05:59.42 | wols_ | Glaucus: checkinstall doesn't make some software magically debian |
| 05:59.46 | SerajewelKS | Glaucus: you are using a different version of screen than debian provides |
| 06:00.04 | Wyzard | infernal_jesus: For a desktop system I'd probably just use Ubuntu |
| 06:00.19 | Wyzard | infernal_jesus: (I assume it's a desktop or you wouldn't be installing GTK themes on it...) |
| 06:00.22 | ricky | Aww.. I like Debian on the desktop :) |
| 06:00.38 | Wyzard | I do too, but infernal_jesus wants a GTK theme that isn't packaged in etch, and is packaged in feisty |
| 06:00.58 | Wyzard | From a maintainability standpoint, it'd be cleaner to use Ubuntu than to custom-compile murrine |
| 06:00.58 | Glaucus | I think we are arguing over the semantics of what a `debian package` is -- whether it's a dpkg package (using the debian packager) or a `Debian package` (offered by the debian distro) |
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| 06:01.11 | SerajewelKS | Glaucus: yes, that's exactly what we are arguing over |
| 06:01.16 | infernal_jesus | Wyzard: I hate ubuntu |
| 06:01.18 | SerajewelKS | Glaucus: you are using the former, we support the latter |
| 06:01.25 | SerajewelKS | Glaucus: you are in the wrong channel to be asking your question |
| 06:01.39 | infernal_jesus | Wyzard: I'm comfortable with manually compiling it (I used slackware before :)) |
| 06:01.42 | maxamillion | Wyzard: why do you consider ubuntu such a better choice on the desktop? |
| 06:01.45 | Glaucus | SerajewelKS: I was just looking for people who use gnu screen |
| 06:01.48 | infernal_jesus | it's just that it asks for gtk2 engine |
| 06:01.50 | infernal_jesus | which is installed |
| 06:01.57 | ricky | Glaucus: Perhaps try #screen. |
| 06:02.05 | SerajewelKS | Glaucus: you are unlikely to find anyone who uses the version you are using in this channel |
| 06:02.18 | SerajewelKS | Glaucus: for the reasons we have provided |
| 06:02.20 | jhulst | wols_: m-a gives me an error when trying to build, http://rafb.net/p/Z5LaQC76.html |
| 06:02.32 | infernal_jesus | Wyzard: and I hate ubuntu :) |
| 06:02.53 | Wyzard | maxamillion: Well, I use Debian (unstable) on my own desktop, but Ubuntu focuses more on having recent software and making desktop stuff work conveniently out-of-the-box |
| 06:03.17 | wols_ | jhulst: what kernel version do you use? |
| 06:03.19 | Guerin | ... any colour you like, as long as it's brown |
| 06:03.40 | Wyzard | maxamillion: In this case it has a newer package that etch doesn't have (though lenny/sid do) |
| 06:03.41 | ricky | Hmm.. I have a much more positive impression of the Debian community than the Ubuntu community. |
| 06:03.44 | maxamillion | Wyzard: ah ... switching from debian sid to ubuntu is an understanding transition |
| 06:03.48 | infernal_jesus | Wyzard: 'checking for GTK... configure: error: GTK+-2.8 is required to compile murrine' |
| 06:04.04 | maxamillion | Wyzard: feisty is their current stable branch btw |
| 06:04.09 | Wyzard | infernal_jesus: libgtk2.0-dev |
| 06:04.15 | ricky | infernal_jesus: Did you install the -dev packages? |
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| 06:04.52 | jhulst | wols_: 2.6.21-2-686 |
| 06:04.53 | infernal_jesus | Wyzard: thanks |
| 06:04.56 | infernal_jesus | I forgot hahah :D |
| 06:05.03 | klikklak | well, pidgin crashed before I had time to read the reply. by default bittorrent shouldn't go through proxies, right? I'm hoping this since I don't want to cause tor trouble |
| 06:05.15 | chrisphoneman | Ubuntu feisty is great for it's eye candy and easy use of graphics acceleration but I could never get my printer of usb pendrives to work on it...no problem with etch however |
| 06:05.27 | SerajewelKS | klikklak: have you set it up to use a proxy? |
| 06:05.40 | wols_ | jhulst: then you might have to use the sources from before. lenny/sid can have bugs you know |
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| 06:06.02 | klikklak | SerajewelKS: no I havent, but I have set up tor as default for everything |
| 06:06.15 | ricky | klikklak: Especially with Tor- *don't* run BT over tor. |
| 06:06.16 | Pencil | hey, im back, i decided to reinstall threw netinst, and it works now that i tried to install it with a working ethernet cable :] |
| 06:06.21 | Pencil | (i'm ayejay) |
| 06:06.26 | SerajewelKS | klikklak: how did you set it up "as default for everything"? |
| 06:06.27 | klikklak | ricky: I'm not/trying not to. |
| 06:06.29 | Guerin | klikklak: haha, you tool |
| 06:06.32 | infernal_jesus | I'm ayejay! |
| 06:06.35 | Pencil | Wyzard, its only taking ages now, its stuck at 5% |
| 06:06.44 | klikklak | SerajewelKS: just the gnome proxy tabs |
| 06:06.45 | Pencil | liarrr. |
| 06:06.47 | Guerin | klikklak: tor for *everything* is cracked |
| 06:06.48 | Pencil | i was just on that name |
| 06:06.53 | Pencil | did you register that name? |
| 06:06.59 | infernal_jesus | Pencil: what?! lie! :D |
| 06:07.01 | Pencil | someone registered it today |
| 06:07.02 | Pencil | lmao |
| 06:07.03 | SerajewelKS | klikklak: AFAIK almost nothing uses those settings, probably just core gnome apps |
| 06:07.05 | wols_ | infernal_jesus: stop that |
| 06:07.08 | Pencil | THEY REGISTERED ALL MY NAMES i use to use |
| 06:07.08 | Wyzard | Pencil: That's because it's downloading packages |
| 06:07.13 | klikklak | Guerin: well, I still have to set freenode to be torified |
| 06:07.14 | infernal_jesus | wols_: what? |
| 06:07.20 | wols_ | you know what |
| 06:07.21 | klikklak | SerajewelKS: ok, good to know. |
| 06:07.22 | Pencil | yeah, at least i know its working . |
| 06:07.25 | infernal_jesus | wols_: :p |
| 06:07.41 | Pencil | and i won't have to get a new network card. ;] |
| 06:08.01 | Pencil | hey wols_ or Wyzard, can you guys refer me to a guide to secure my server? |
| 06:08.05 | Pencil | i seen one on CPanel |
| 06:08.11 | wols_ | !harden |
| 06:08.12 | dpkg | i guess harden is D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 06:08.12 | Pencil | about binding IPs, and changing the SSH ports. |
| 06:08.17 | Pencil | sweet, thanks. |
| 06:08.19 | Pencil | ill bookmark it |
| 06:08.37 | SerajewelKS | !tell Pencil about enter |
| 06:08.58 | Pencil | psh, i explained my issue for enter, it's because my keyboard is so small. |
| 06:09.04 | Wyzard | I disable SSH password authentication, so only public-key is allowed |
| 06:09.10 | Guerin | Pencil: NOFP |
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| 06:09.23 | SerajewelKS | Pencil: wtf does that have to do with using enter like a spacebar |
| 06:09.24 | sputnicklebenef | hi there. |
| 06:09.48 | Guerin | Wyzard: because leaked ssh passwords are a significant attack vector. |
| 06:09.51 | Pencil | it's right next to the letters? and my fingers slide on it and taps it then it goes down? |
| 06:10.05 | Guerin | pewrsonally, I'd concern myself with other things, such as not running php |
| 06:10.10 | Wyzard | Guerin: There are brute-force attacks that go around occasionally |
| 06:10.20 | Pencil | usually happens when im using backspace or trying to use a comma. its a new keybaord im still trying to get use to it. |
| 06:10.27 | Guerin | Wyzard: if your password can be brute-forced you deserve to be pwned |
| 06:10.42 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 06:11.07 | Wyzard | I use good passwords, but I only log in from machines that have keys anyway so it seems like a sensible thing to do anyway |
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| 06:11.17 | Guerin | take a line of Joyce or something, construct a password from that |
| 06:13.03 | ricky | Hi! |
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| 06:13.20 | SerajewelKS | i don't think my net connection is fast enough for a brute force attack to work, especially with the length and complexity of my passphrase |
| 06:13.57 | sputnicklebenef | I have the following error http://rafb.net/p/TV6yE721.html when I execute /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl .So I think a solution is installing gcc-4.1.2 to compile vmmon . Can I have 2 gcc on my system ? If yes, I need to compile it because apt-cache doesn't have this one. |
| 06:14.34 | SerajewelKS | sputnicklebenef: gcc-4.1 but note that vmware is not supported by debian |
| 06:14.39 | Wyzard | sputnicklebenef: That's a question, not a fatal error |
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| 06:14.48 | Wyzard | sputnicklebenef: Notice where it says "[no]" at the end? |
| 06:14.49 | stickybit` | Wyzard: i have installed scim just now... but i am not getting those language options |
| 06:14.53 | yoshio | Guerin: what do you mean by tor is cracked? |
| 06:14.59 | Wyzard | sputnicklebenef: Just type "y" or "yes" to override the default of no |
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| 06:15.10 | stickybit` | even key board shortcuts are also not working |
| 06:15.15 | sputnicklebenef | If I execute I have already some errors |
| 06:15.17 | Guerin | yoshio: i didn't say *tor* is cracked; I said *using* tor for everything is cracked |
| 06:15.38 | Guerin | yoshio: as in the drug, not with broken copy-protection |
| 06:15.45 | SerajewelKS | sputnicklebenef: try upgrading your kernel or something |
| 06:15.46 | Guerin | !vmware |
| 06:15.47 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask the vendor for support, or ask here: #vmware |
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| 06:15.52 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: ↑ |
| 06:15.54 | Guerin | argh |
| 06:15.58 | Guerin | sputnicklebenef: ↑ |
| 06:16.06 | Wyzard | sputnicklebenef: Paste those errors |
| 06:16.12 | Guerin | in #vmware |
| 06:16.25 | Wyzard | Guerin: Actually, there's a "vmware-package" package now :-) |
| 06:16.30 | SerajewelKS | why not use virtualbox anyway, it's partially GPL |
| 06:16.50 | Guerin | Wyzard: bah, more stupid proprietary shite to break |
| 06:17.09 | sputnicklebenef | I have this errors when I write yes : http://rafb.net/p/6aQR6t78.html |
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| 06:17.46 | SerajewelKS | sputnicklebenef: because of the same reason it said, your kernel was compiled with a different version |
| 06:17.56 | Pencil2 | shoot laptop ran out of batterys |
| 06:17.56 | SerajewelKS | sputnicklebenef: upgrade your kernel, then ask #vmware |
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| 06:18.04 | Wyzard | sputnicklebenef: That's surprising -- I've built those modules with that same kernel and same compiler difference and not had any problems |
| 06:18.14 | sputnicklebenef | yes so perhaps I can compiling a old gcc-4.1.2 |
| 06:18.28 | Wyzard | sputnicklebenef: Using gcc-4.1.2 should not be necessary |
| 06:18.56 | Wyzard | hmm, my HP48 seems to have died :-( |
| 06:18.58 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: the paste he gave disagrees with you |
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| 06:19.09 | sputnicklebenef | Wyzard: I dont understand because in the past, I was installed vmware "out of the box" |
| 06:19.16 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: I know, but I've done the same thing before and it worked fine |
| 06:19.35 | Wyzard | oh, hang on, I think I might know |
| 06:21.21 | Pencil2 | hey would you recommend using openssh? |
| 06:21.25 | Pencil2 | you as in anybody ;] |
| 06:21.47 | streuner | !info vmware-package |
| 06:21.49 | dpkg | vmware-package: (utility for building VMware Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is extra. Version: 0.8 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 416 kB |
| 06:21.54 | Wyzard | hmm, maybe it's been fixed already, but I ran into a similar problem with vmware-config awhile back, and the cause was that insmod was broken in the current version of module-init-tools |
| 06:22.23 | streuner | Guerin: not much to break :-) |
| 06:22.37 | Wyzard | sputnicklebenef: Try loading some other module using insmod (rather than the usual modprobe) and see if you get a segfault |
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| 06:24.21 | Pencil2 | anybody have input on openssh? |
| 06:24.33 | SerajewelKS | Pencil2: openssh as opposed to what |
| 06:25.00 | Pencil2 | as opposed to any other ssh applications |
| 06:25.01 | Wyzard | OpenSSH is the de-facto standard SSH implementation in most Linux systems |
| 06:25.18 | Pencil2 | define "de-facto" |
| 06:25.25 | sputnicklebenef | I try this : apt-get install linux-image-2.6.21-2-686 linux-headers-2.6.21-2-686 |
| 06:25.26 | Wyzard | It's the one everybody uses |
| 06:25.37 | Wyzard | sputnicklebenef: No, don't downgrade your kernel to a buggy old version |
| 06:25.38 | Pencil2 | alright gotcha, haha thanks for the support Wyzard. |
| 06:25.45 | Wyzard | sputnicklebenef: Did you see what I said about insmod being broken? |
| 06:25.54 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: 2.6.21 is not a downgreade |
| 06:25.57 | SerajewelKS | downgrade too |
| 06:26.08 | Wyzard | oops, sorry, I overlooked the .21 and thought he was downgrading .18 |
| 06:26.18 | Wyzard | just looked at the -2 :-) |
| 06:26.36 | Wyzard | Upgrade to 2.6.21 if you want, but if the problem is what I think it is, it won't help |
| 06:26.40 | Pencil2 | just had to ask because it's better for me to be safe then sorry. i havent gotten a chance to do any security changes on my box, it's still installing unfortunately |
| 06:26.53 | sputnicklebenef | Wyzard: |
| 06:26.54 | sputnicklebenef | # insmod nv |
| 06:26.54 | sputnicklebenef | Segmentation fault |
| 06:27.02 | streuner | Wyzard: /j #vwmare-wyzard-special-channel |
| 06:27.23 | streuner | ;-) |
| 06:27.29 | Wyzard | streuner: This isn't a VMware bug, it's a module-init-tools bug |
| 06:27.44 | streuner | you help to run vwmare |
| 06:27.48 | sputnicklebenef | so I'm on the good place ;) |
| 06:27.58 | Wyzard | occasionally I do, but not in great depth |
| 06:28.06 | streuner | so its a vmware problem |
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| 06:28.12 | Wyzard | no, it isn't |
| 06:28.20 | Wyzard | Debian's insmod program is broken |
| 06:28.20 | sputnicklebenef | insmod problem |
| 06:28.24 | sputnicklebenef | yes |
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| 06:28.44 | Wyzard | vmware-config happens to be one of the few things that actually uses insmod, but it's a Debian bug |
| 06:28.47 | sputnicklebenef | strange because I rebuild a fresh system las week |
| 06:28.52 | Wyzard | sputnicklebenef: You're running etch, I assume? |
| 06:28.53 | streuner | remove vmware and you dont need to be care about the bug :-) |
| 06:29.05 | sputnicklebenef | Wyzard: absolutely |
| 06:29.17 | Wyzard | sputnicklebenef: Grab module-init-tools version 3.3-pre11-4 from testing/unstable and that should fix it |
| 06:29.34 | sputnicklebenef | is sid experienced the same bug ? |
| 06:29.41 | Wyzard | ("/msg dpkg simple sid backport" if the testing/unstable bug isn't straightforward to install) |
| 06:29.41 | sputnicklebenef | ok |
| 06:29.46 | Wyzard | no, it's been fixed |
| 06:29.58 | Wyzard | but the version of module-init-tools that shipped with etch has a broken insmod |
| 06:30.27 | sputnicklebenef | can you give me the command to apt-get from unstable please ? I don't remember |
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| 06:30.44 | streuner | but for Wyzard its NOT important, its ubuntu or some other stuff like vmware, anyways ;-) |
| 06:30.44 | SerajewelKS | sputnicklebenef: be easier to wget it from pdo |
| 06:30.52 | Wyzard | I'd just download the .deb from http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/module-init-tools |
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| 06:32.55 | sputnicklebenef | after dpkg -i module-init-tools_3.3-pre11-1_i386.deb I have same error |
| 06:33.20 | Wyzard | Try that "insmod nv" again |
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| 06:33.45 | sputnicklebenef | Segmentation fault |
| 06:33.56 | sputnicklebenef | Wyzard . |
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| 06:34.27 | Wyzard | Are you sure the package installed successfully? |
| 06:35.13 | sputnicklebenef | Wyzard: http://rafb.net/p/qYzRxm69.html |
| 06:35.30 | klikklak | anyone know what server to use to torify ircnet, if it is possible at all? |
| 06:35.49 | SerajewelKS | klikklak: socat |
| 06:36.19 | klikklak | SerajewelKS: I don't understand? |
| 06:36.31 | SerajewelKS | klikklak: aptitude install socat ; man socat |
| 06:36.49 | klikklak | SerajewelKS: ok, thanks |
| 06:37.00 | Wyzard | sputnicklebenef: Oh, wait, wrong version |
| 06:37.08 | Wyzard | sputnicklebenef: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/module-init-tools |
| 06:37.29 | Wyzard | sputnicklebenef: It's not fixed in testing (yet) |
| 06:37.35 | Wyzard | sorry about that |
| 06:37.50 | premier_ | Hi, if I ran out of space on a debian install, like, I got 0 Bytes left... would my operating system become corrupt and unusuable even when I freed up more space? |
| 06:38.26 | SerajewelKS | premier_: just delete some stuff |
| 06:38.45 | SerajewelKS | premier_: the kernel will reserve some free space for root, so you should still be able to log in as root and delete stuff |
| 06:38.53 | SerajewelKS | premier_: the "0 bytes left" is for non-root users |
| 06:38.54 | sputnicklebenef | Wyzard: better : insmod: can't read 'nv': No such file or directory now try to rebuild vmmon |
| 06:39.04 | Wyzard | sputnicklebenef: yep, should work now |
| 06:39.26 | premier_ | SerajewelKS: well, actually, I was root when I chewed up all the space, there there really is 0 Bytes left |
| 06:39.36 | Azar | ;) |
| 06:39.41 | SerajewelKS | premier_: heh.. well if you can log in then delete stuff |
| 06:39.46 | Azar | premier_: you installed gnome, or kde as well? |
| 06:39.51 | SerajewelKS | premier_: otherwise boot a livecd and mount your / and remove stuff |
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| 06:40.10 | sputnicklebenef | GREAT ! your nick is absolutely adapted Wyzard :) |
| 06:40.26 | joelmichael | i have openssl installed, but i'm not sure where the library is |
| 06:40.39 | joelmichael | but the configure script for something i'm building from source couldn't find it |
| 06:40.41 | Azar | heh we have the honorables Wyzard and SerajewelKS tonight.... no small stuff |
| 06:40.43 | premier_ | SerajewelKS: but this isn't a debian problem, its a certian other linux distro's problem and I'm going to move to debian because this distro is unuasable... |
| 06:40.47 | SerajewelKS | joelmichael: dpkg -L openssl |grep -F .so |
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| 06:41.22 | premier_ | SerajewelKS: anyway, how can I install debian? the netinstall cd can't connect to my internet, so I need something that can install from the cd |
| 06:41.24 | joelmichael | SerajewelKS, no results :( maybe it's in another package? |
| 06:41.38 | infernal_jesus | premier_: download the .iso |
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| 06:41.45 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 06:41.45 | Azar | premier_: how much space you have on your total HD? |
| 06:41.53 | premier_ | infernal_jesus: which one? theres like 30 of them |
| 06:41.53 | joelmichael | maybe libssl-dev |
| 06:41.53 | lkthomas | anyone using cacti to monitor server ? |
| 06:42.02 | infernal_jesus | premier_: first one is enough |
| 06:42.06 | sputnicklebenef | it's a know bug whith insmod ? this is a "basic" tool I think... |
| 06:42.07 | infernal_jesus | or download the first dvd |
| 06:42.11 | SerajewelKS | joelmichael: libopenssl maybe |
| 06:42.17 | premier_ | Azar: well, I have 100GB, but only 6GB was devoted to root |
| 06:42.44 | Azar | premier_: where went the rest? |
| 06:42.50 | infernal_jesus | premier_: it is best to download the first dvd .iso |
| 06:42.51 | SerajewelKS | joelmichael: libssl0.9.8 |
| 06:42.52 | streuner | pr0n! |
| 06:42.58 | premier_ | infernal_jesus: does the first CD or the second or third CDs have kde on them? |
| 06:43.02 | Azar | awww not gooddd.. |
| 06:43.07 | streuner | hehe |
| 06:43.11 | infernal_jesus | premier_: the first one does |
| 06:43.12 | Azar | :) |
| 06:43.16 | joelmichael | i've got libssl0.9.8 installed too |
| 06:43.28 | premier_ | Azar: well, I was trying to get debian on a usb drive, and I acidentally consumed all the disk space |
| 06:43.37 | infernal_jesus | premier_: first one has everything you need to install it.. and then everything you need later you use apt-get |
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| 06:43.50 | Wyzard | sputnicklebenef: Yes, it's a known bug, reported in the BTS |
| 06:43.55 | premier_ | infernal_jesus: not to be cute, but does anyone actually find need of the other 39? |
| 06:44.12 | infernal_jesus | premier_: people without internet? :P |
| 06:44.27 | joeyjones | infernal_jesus: only in africa |
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| 06:44.39 | Pencil2 | hey wyzard, when debian is done installing, would i have to execute "apt-get install ssh" or is ssh already gonna be enabled? |
| 06:44.49 | premier_ | Azar: I guess when you have a full ub*ntu install+ 2 attempts at a debian liveUSB, thats 6GB |
| 06:44.58 | infernal_jesus | joeyjones: or paranoid people, who don't want access the internet |
| 06:45.05 | solitude | Pencil2 |
| 06:45.08 | streuner | Pencil2: man sshd_config |
| 06:45.10 | premier_ | infernal_jesus: if they don't have internet, how did they get the CDs? |
| 06:45.13 | solitude | you can ssh INTO things |
| 06:45.16 | solitude | but you will need to install an ssd |
| 06:45.18 | infernal_jesus | premier_: bought them? |
| 06:45.19 | solitude | sshd * |
| 06:45.21 | premier_ | infernal_jesus: time paradox |
| 06:45.28 | Pencil2 | gotcha. |
| 06:45.29 | infernal_jesus | premier_: ? :P |
| 06:45.37 | joelmichael | yeah, i needed libssl-dev |
| 06:45.49 | streuner | Pencil2: ssh includes client and server, but usually you need to configure via sshd_config |
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| 06:46.03 | joeyjones | premier_: oder over the phone |
| 06:46.24 | Pencil2 | gotcha. |
| 06:46.24 | streuner | !info ssh |
| 06:46.25 | joeyjones | infernal_jesus: actualy paranoid people tend to join paranoia websites |
| 06:46.27 | dpkg | ssh: (secure shell client and server (transitional package)), section net, is extra. Version: 1:4.6p1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
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| 06:47.12 | infernal_jesus | joeyjones: haha |
| 06:47.37 | Pencil2 | hey, is there a way for my box to send me the IP if it changes on me? |
| 06:47.42 | premier_ | joeyjones: I'd rather not have oder over the phone... I like fresh air |
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| 06:47.47 | Pencil2 | or would i have to go to the box and check it manually? |
| 06:48.14 | Wyzard | Pencil2: You can get an account with dyndns.org (or one of the similar services that exists) and use a package such as ez-ipupdate |
| 06:48.15 | sputnicklebenef | thanks Wyzard |
| 06:48.26 | Pencil2 | sweet thanks. |
| 06:48.29 | Pencil2 | :] |
| 06:48.40 | Azar | how do I check my HD free space again? |
| 06:48.49 | streuner | df |
| 06:48.50 | premier_ | df -h |
| 06:48.50 | Wyzard | Azar: df -h |
| 06:48.53 | Azar | thanks |
| 06:49.48 | cds | Hey guys.. I've recently done a dist-upgrade, and ever since the background of my Gnome Terminal has been weird: |
| 06:49.54 | cds | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/9cds/xterm.png |
| 06:49.56 | Azar | ook total 110GB, used 2.2GB, free 102GB = using 3% yeeeee! |
| 06:50.07 | cds | The white bits are where there's other applications behind the window |
| 06:50.15 | cds | Anyone got any clues what's gone wrong? |
| 06:50.55 | streuner | Azar: heh, pretty NEW? ;-) |
| 06:50.56 | Azar | so premier, I use Debian Sarge on this box with OpenOffice, Games, browser, openbox, xmms, irssi... all in all 2.2GB |
| 06:50.59 | Wyzard | cds: Did you turn on its pseudo-transparency feature, or install a compositing window manager? |
| 06:51.19 | Azar | streuner: I don't have the habit to download and store stuff... |
| 06:52.10 | cds | Wyzard: Nope, the transparency is different again. I turned on KDE's shadows function a while back, though? |
| 06:52.13 | cast | hmm, my root is 3gb, home 17 |
| 06:52.28 | joelmichael | what package contains 'killall' |
| 06:52.29 | Wyzard | cds: Why are you using gnome-terminal in KDE? |
| 06:52.59 | cds | It looks better :) |
| 06:53.01 | Wyzard | joelmichael: psmisc |
| 06:53.03 | Azar | not sure how big is a gnome or kde, but lets assume that with a desktop should be only 5GB no more |
| 06:53.09 | joelmichael | thx |
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| 06:54.52 | Christoph_vW | I installed KDE yesterday on my debian system - but now it gets started at every boot - how can I disable loading of the x-server? |
| 06:55.10 | Wyzard | Christoph_vW: Uninstall gdm/kdm/xdm (whichever display manager you have installed) |
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| 06:55.59 | cds | Hmm, Konsole seems to work fine |
| 06:56.04 | cds | I don't like its bloat, though :( |
| 06:56.13 | Guerin | for pervers values of `fine' |
| 06:56.26 | Guerin | the fucking thing eats my screen keys, which makes it worse than useless |
| 06:56.59 | Wyzard | Guerin: "fine" in this case meaning "doesn't exhibit weird graphical glitches like gnome-terminal does" |
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| 06:57.34 | Guerin | Wyzard: well, i'm not sure what else you'd expect from using a Fisher-Price My First Terminal |
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| 06:58.05 | Wyzard | I wouldn't know what to expect from one of those either, but fortunately gnome-terminal is not one of those :-P |
| 06:58.11 | Christoph_vW | Wyzard: thx |
| 06:58.46 | Christoph_vW | damn - now I get a KPackage error at every kde boot: "malformed url" |
| 06:59.48 | cds | Guerin: I'm also sure there's a reason I chose not to use Konsole. Probably related to key combinations :p |
| 07:00.06 | Christoph_vW | I changed the x11config before I removed kdm - and it looks like the uninstallation caused x11 to restart - which wasn't possbile with the broken x11 config |
| 07:00.33 | Wyzard | Christoph_vW: That wouldn't cause a "malformed URL" message |
| 07:01.18 | Christoph_vW | I did not had it before |
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| 07:02.23 | Pencil2 | wierd grub was loading and it gave me grub 15. |
| 07:02.30 | Pencil2 | i mean error 15, whats wrong? |
| 07:03.36 | Wyzard | According to a Google search, it means "file not found" |
| 07:03.45 | cast | i don't know. you don't know. the docs and google probably do |
| 07:03.53 | Pencil2 | yeah im on google right now hahahah. |
| 07:03.53 | Wyzard | I believe it indicates that grub couldn't find its stage2 file |
| 07:03.53 | Christoph_vW | Wyzard: yes |
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| 07:05.42 | Pencil2 | shoot hwo will i install grub from netinst. |
| 07:05.52 | Pencil2 | god dangit, lmao. |
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| 07:06.27 | Pencil2 | hey wyzard, can you help me install GRUB threw netinst? it just finished downloading 679 packages. |
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| 07:06.34 | Pencil2 | and im sooo not in the mood to have it reinstall on me |
| 07:07.26 | Wyzard | Pencil2: If it "just finished downloading", does that mean you're still in the installer? |
| 07:07.46 | Pencil2 | i was. |
| 07:07.53 | Pencil2 | i decided to restart the computer |
| 07:08.03 | Wyzard | decided? |
| 07:08.13 | Wyzard | Did the installation finish? |
| 07:08.14 | Pencil2 | i figured it was done |
| 07:08.20 | SerajewelKS | haha |
| 07:08.20 | Pencil2 | yeah, it took me to the menu. |
| 07:08.28 | Pencil2 | and im like "hm, it must be done." lmao |
| 07:08.32 | SerajewelKS | you tool |
| 07:08.37 | Wyzard | The last step in the installation is installing GRUB and then restarting the computer automatically |
| 07:08.40 | Wyzard | You skipped that step |
| 07:08.43 | Pencil2 | AW! lmao. |
| 07:08.46 | Pencil2 | oh poo. |
| 07:09.14 | Pencil2 | it just came on, i didn't do anything. anyways, what would you suggest i do now Wyzard? |
| 07:09.34 | Wyzard | Boot the installer again |
| 07:09.37 | SerajewelKS | Pencil2: how about read an "installing debian" howto |
| 07:09.40 | Wyzard | Install GRUB properly this time |
| 07:09.50 | Wyzard | Don't press Escape, don't use the menu |
| 07:10.03 | Wyzard | and yes, read the installation manual |
| 07:10.08 | Pencil2 | i didnt press escape this time wyzard, i figured grub was alrea dyinstalled, because i was reinstalling. |
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| 07:10.24 | Pencil2 | does that mean i have to do everything all over again? |
| 07:10.29 | Wyzard | How'd you get to the menu if you didn't press Escape? |
| 07:10.41 | Pencil2 | it took me to the menu. |
| 07:10.53 | Pencil2 | it finsihed installing the packages it was downloadnig, the ntook me to the menu |
| 07:11.00 | Wyzard | That only happens if you boot in expert mode, or you press Escape, or it encounters an error |
| 07:11.09 | Thursley | or you go "back" |
| 07:11.16 | Pencil2 | yeah it encountered a error. |
| 07:11.26 | Azar | asking Wyzard's permission, Pencil2 >> http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_debian_etch << take a look |
| 07:11.26 | Pencil2 | it said one of the packages failed to install |
| 07:11.46 | Azar | it has pics too :) |
| 07:11.54 | Pencil2 | im not using windows. |
| 07:12.03 | Wyzard | Azar: It's odd to see an ad for Vista alongside a Debian howto |
| 07:12.10 | Pencil2 | oh i see ;] |
| 07:12.13 | Pencil2 | nevermind |
| 07:12.27 | Azar | uh? not on my screen.. |
| 07:12.36 | Pencil2 | on my screen it is |
| 07:12.58 | Azar | I got a Packet 8 Virtual Office ad |
| 07:12.59 | Wyzard | Pencil2: It's possible to install GRUB without repeating the whole installation, but it's after 3AM here and I'm tired and don't feel like explaining it |
| 07:13.06 | Pencil2 | lmao doh. |
| 07:13.09 | Pencil2 | alright i guess ill redo everything |
| 07:13.12 | Pencil2 | for the 4th time |
| 07:13.21 | Azar | Pencil2: read the howto, look at the pics, you will figure out |
| 07:13.33 | Pencil2 | yeah i already did most of the howto i understand it now |
| 07:13.35 | Wyzard | Pencil2: but in short, you could use grub-install from the shell on Alt-F2 |
| 07:13.56 | Azar | aww Wyzard you go to bed? so soon? |
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| 07:14.08 | Pencil2 | YEAH! |
| 07:14.12 | Pencil2 | thats what i was thinking. |
| 07:14.17 | Wyzard | Azar: The main reason I'm still here is because I'm waiting for GDM to finish compiling on the Gentoo system next to me :-) |
| 07:14.20 | Pencil2 | i went into the shell, and i was wondering if i can install it threw the shell ;] |
| 07:14.53 | Wyzard | Pencil2: If you aren't familiar with GRUB's command syntax, though, you can either learn now, or just install again |
| 07:15.03 | Pencil2 | ill learn now. |
| 07:15.31 | Pencil2 | one last question before you sleep, how do i install debian with a GUI? when i installed it, it only showed me commandlines. |
| 07:15.35 | maxamillion | learn? ... aren't man pages around so i don't ever have to learn anything? |
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| 07:15.57 | Christoph_vW | Pencil2: aptitude install kde |
| 07:16.04 | maxamillion | Pencil2: for the love of god no |
| 07:16.11 | Wyzard | Pencil2: That's not "command lines", that's windows and buttons, just in text mode |
| 07:16.16 | seth1248 | How can I type Spanish accent marks? I have Spanish keyboard setup in gnome and I can type the ñ, but I am unable to type accent marks. |
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| 07:16.20 | Pencil2 | gotcha |
| 07:16.21 | maxamillion | Pencil2: aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies gdm |
| 07:16.24 | maxamillion | enjoy |
| 07:16.28 | Christoph_vW | ah, misunderstood him |
| 07:16.32 | solitude | maxamillion is right |
| 07:16.35 | Wyzard | Pencil2: There's a graphical GTK-based mode for the installer, which you get to by typing a certain command at the CD's boot prompt -- "installgui", I think |
| 07:16.37 | Azar | Wyzard: http://www.bash.org/?100336 :) |
| 07:16.38 | solitude | you dontwant kde :p |
| 07:16.42 | cast | !el |
| 07:16.43 | dpkg | methinks el is for help in greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el |
| 07:16.43 | Christoph_vW | maxamillion: lol |
| 07:16.46 | solitude | and apt-get is awesome :D |
| 07:16.46 | cast | is el spanish? |
| 07:16.47 | Wyzard | Pencil2: but I doubt the netinst CD has it |
| 07:16.57 | Pencil2 | i executed grub-install in the command line, it isn't working. |
| 07:17.01 | Wyzard | Azar: hehe |
| 07:17.04 | Azar | el from elen aka greek |
| 07:17.12 | Pencil2 | i mean! |
| 07:17.18 | cast | ahh. i fail. fail horribly. |
| 07:17.18 | Pencil2 | the console. |
| 07:17.29 | maxamillion | Christoph_vW: sorry, i just seem to feel that qt looks horrible ... but its just my opinion |
| 07:17.32 | Wyzard | Pencil2: That shell is indeed a command line |
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| 07:17.39 | Pencil2 | oh, gotcha. |
| 07:17.40 | Wyzard | Pencil2: The blue-background installer stuff is not |
| 07:17.42 | Azar | Pencil2: aptitude install <package> |
| 07:17.48 | cast | seth1248: #debian-es might know, if there's anyone there |
| 07:17.56 | maxamillion | Pencil2: but you have to run that command as root |
| 07:18.09 | Pencil2 | it said aptitude was not found |
| 07:18.19 | Pencil2 | oh i know what root is. |
| 07:18.19 | Azar | Pencil2: apt-get install aptitude :) |
| 07:18.23 | maxamillion | pray* (maybe? ... i can't spell) |
| 07:18.28 | Wyzard | Azar: We're talking about the Alt-F2 shell on the install CD... there's no aptitude |
| 07:18.36 | Christoph_vW | maxamillion: it does - but kde is still the windows manager I like the most |
| 07:18.39 | maxamillion | Azar: uhmm... can debian install without aptitude? |
| 07:18.40 | Azar | Wyzard: ahhhh I see |
| 07:18.41 | solitude | Wyzard, yay |
| 07:18.45 | solitude | Wyzard, i fixed the problem btw |
| 07:18.54 | solitude | it was debian and xortg being crap |
| 07:18.58 | Pencil2 | yeah, so what should i use? |
| 07:19.00 | solitude | i deleted xorg.conf |
| 07:19.00 | Azar | maxamillion: it seems Pencil2 is in the middle of install |
| 07:19.04 | solitude | and wrote it myself. |
| 07:19.07 | seth1248 | cast: Thank's I just joined debian-es, and fortunately there are a lot of people there. |
| 07:19.20 | SerajewelKS | maxamillion: all it needs is dpkg |
| 07:19.25 | maxamillion | Christoph_vW: window manager? ... kde isn't a window manager, its a desktop environment ... and the actualy window manager is horrible, i recommend you replace it with openbox ;) |
| 07:19.41 | Wyzard | Pencil2: Which partition contains your /boot directory? |
| 07:19.46 | Christoph_vW | ok desktop env then :D |
| 07:19.46 | Azar | ..the latest , meanest openbox :) |
| 07:19.46 | maxamillion | SerajewelKS: well, yes .. but i've never had a base install not have aptitude |
| 07:19.46 | solitude | hehe |
| 07:19.49 | Pencil2 | how would i check wyzard? |
| 07:19.58 | solitude | I did apt-get remove aptitude |
| 07:20.06 | solitude | it saved me 12mb HDD space! |
| 07:20.07 | Azar | solitude: you are really mean |
| 07:20.10 | Christoph_vW | I normally use linux on my servers only |
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| 07:20.18 | Wyzard | Pencil2: You created partitions earlier in the installation |
| 07:20.23 | Azar | remove the pr0n not the good system tools |
| 07:20.25 | maxamillion | Christoph_vW: ah, ok ... well then kde is a good environment for you |
| 07:20.31 | Pencil2 | yeah, i know that i just dont know the names of them. |
| 07:20.33 | Christoph_vW | but the mainboard in my main computer was damaged by AsusUpdate :/ |
| 07:20.45 | maxamillion | Christoph_vW: its all about preference, use what you like :) |
| 07:20.49 | solitude | apt-get install/remove pr0n didnt work :( |
| 07:20.50 | Christoph_vW | to I installed KDE on my linux test system |
| 07:20.53 | Christoph_vW | so* |
| 07:20.54 | maxamillion | solitude: LOL |
| 07:20.57 | solitude | i am SO coding a package called pr0n |
| 07:20.57 | Wyzard | Pencil2: Do you have more than one hard drive in your system? |
| 07:21.00 | cast | solitude: you need porn-get for that |
| 07:21.08 | solitude | a webcrawler which fills HDD with googlepr0n images |
| 07:21.13 | Pencil2 | nope. |
| 07:21.15 | solitude | well |
| 07:21.22 | solitude | i think ill write a C program |
| 07:21.23 | Pencil2 | so it'd be something like hd0? |
| 07:21.27 | solitude | google images for XXX |
| 07:21.42 | solitude | html the links out |
| 07:21.44 | solitude | pipe to wget |
| 07:21.47 | Wyzard | Pencil2: hd0 is the drive, hd0,0 is the first partition on it -- that's probably the root partition |
| 07:21.48 | solitude | :D |
| 07:21.50 | maxamillion | solitude: in C?... we should write it in python so its sexy :P |
| 07:21.53 | SerajewelKS | solitude: probably perl would be easier than C |
| 07:21.53 | Pencil2 | gotcha |
| 07:21.54 | cast | solitude: http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ :) |
| 07:21.56 | Pencil2 | so it'd be hd0,0 |
| 07:21.58 | solitude | etc |
| 07:21.58 | solitude | hd0 is the boot partition |
| 07:21.58 | solitude | the MBR |
| 07:22.01 | SerajewelKS | solitude: LWP::UserAgent |
| 07:22.02 | Wyzard | Pencil2: Run these commands from that shell: |
| 07:22.07 | Wyzard | grub --no-floppy |
| 07:22.11 | Wyzard | root (hd0,0) |
| 07:22.13 | Wyzard | setup (hd0) |
| 07:22.14 | Wyzard | quit |
| 07:22.22 | Wyzard | If that works you're done |
| 07:22.25 | solitude | rofl cast |
| 07:22.25 | solitude | nce |
| 07:22.36 | Pencil2 | it said grub was not found |
| 07:22.56 | Azar | bah ,a fresh install "by the book" would be faster |
| 07:22.59 | Wyzard | hmm, maybe the netinst CD doesn't have it |
| 07:23.06 | Wyzard | You could mount and chroot |
| 07:23.16 | Pencil2 | hm? |
| 07:23.16 | maxamillion | cast: uhmmm... did someone really make a fork of debian called lesbian or is that site just a spoof? |
| 07:23.18 | Wyzard | but I'm sure I'd have to explain that step-by-step, and I'm tired |
| 07:23.24 | Pencil2 | yeah, id do a fresh install |
| 07:23.26 | Pencil2 | but that'd take hours for me. |
| 07:23.32 | solitude | eww @ mount + chroot |
| 07:23.36 | solitude | root (hd0,0) is right though. |
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| 07:23.37 | Wyzard | so I agree with Azar: start over from the beginning, and don't "assume" it must be done when it hasn't told you it's done |
| 07:23.49 | Azar | Pencil2: install only the base, takes max 50min |
| 07:23.50 | solitude | i agree |
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| 07:23.58 | Pencil2 | the base is already in. |
| 07:24.08 | solitude | base, from cdrom onto a 7.2k hdd is 15min work atmost. |
| 07:24.09 | Pencil2 | i restarted the computer right before i had to install GRUB |
| 07:24.12 | Pencil2 | OH. |
| 07:24.16 | Pencil2 | alright. |
| 07:24.41 | Azar | Pencil2: follow the pics here, install the base.. http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_debian_etch |
| 07:24.47 | cast | maxamillion: well, not sure. never installed it. i did install porn-get which worked at the time though |
| 07:24.48 | Pencil2 | yeah, i dont really need them i know what to do now |
| 07:24.48 | Pencil2 | haha |
| 07:24.59 | Pencil2 | grub-installer is in the cd though =p |
| 07:25.02 | Pencil2 | grub-installer is in the cd though =p |
| 07:25.06 | Pencil2 | woops sorry |
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| 07:25.10 | maxamillion | cast: lol ... that's classic |
| 07:25.13 | Pencil2 | i accidenetly pressed the up key, maybe that'd work? |
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| 07:25.52 | Wyzard | grub-install is a shell script which just runs grub for you |
| 07:26.04 | Pencil2 | dang apparently it didnt |
| 07:26.05 | Azar | if you only install the Standard system, (no desktop) you can later pick a desktop (gnome or kde) to install.. |
| 07:26.06 | Pencil2 | and im alrea dyreinstalling |
| 07:26.18 | Wyzard | and it doesn't work unless /boot is mounted |
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| 07:27.06 | Wyzard | All grub-install really does is help people avoid needing to understand GRUB's drive notation, (hd0) etc. |
| 07:27.07 | sleek_ | hi |
| 07:27.18 | sleek_ | where do I get gtk-wimp theme for debian ? |
| 07:27.40 | Azar | sleek_: you mean for your desktop? |
| 07:27.40 | Wyzard | sleek_: I'm pretty sure that theme only exists on Windows |
| 07:27.42 | solitude | i dont like grub confs |
| 07:27.44 | solitude | lilo ones are pretties |
| 07:27.46 | sleek_ | oh |
| 07:27.49 | solitude | prettier& |
| 07:27.59 | Azar | Wyzard: gnome or kde don't have themes? |
| 07:27.59 | sleek_ | I would think it's just another theme |
| 07:28.05 | Wyzard | sleek_: It "impersonates" windows by actually calling Windows GDI drawing functions |
| 07:28.10 | solitude | of course they do :S |
| 07:28.14 | sleek_ | right.. |
| 07:28.20 | sleek_ | I guess it's a special theme then |
| 07:28.29 | sleek_ | gtk look is too blockey for me :( |
| 07:28.33 | sleek_ | *blocky |
| 07:28.36 | Wyzard | Azar: gtk-wimp is a GTK theme engine which wraps the Windows GDI so that your GTK widgets look like native Windows widgets, because they're being drawn by the native Windows widget-drawing functions |
| 07:28.44 | Pencil2 | alright, i guess just installing the base should be fine, im only gonan run VSFTPD, Apache, MySQL |
| 07:28.57 | Wyzard | Naturally, the native Windows widget-drawing functions are only available on Windows |
| 07:28.57 | Azar | Wyzard: oh thanks.. |
| 07:29.04 | fungo | solitude yeah, me too, also grub doesn't have that nasty dots ....................................., and doesn't allow a automatic boot without that shitty menus :D |
| 07:29.16 | sleek_ | Wyzard, how about using the dll on wine ? :P |
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| 07:29.25 | Wyzard | fungo: sure it does... just set the timeout to zero and you won't see the menu unless you press Escape |
| 07:30.20 | solitude | they cant |
| 07:30.29 | solitude | its technically unfeasible. |
| 07:30.32 | sleek_ | yup |
| 07:30.36 | solitude | lol chainloading at boot? |
| 07:30.45 | sleek_ | you can just use linux as a bootloader to boot linux too :) |
| 07:31.05 | maxamillion | solitude: they did a decent job of locking down the xbox360 |
| 07:31.53 | Wyzard | Azar: I've heard that Vista's new bootloader already creates some problems for dual-booting |
| 07:31.58 | solitude | they made the bios and hardware for that |
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| 07:32.08 | solitude | Wyzard, thats a lie |
| 07:32.09 | solitude | you just have to do it in this order |
| 07:32.11 | solitude | Windows XP |
| 07:32.14 | maxamillion | Wyzard: i've heard vista creates problems while running |
| 07:32.24 | solitude | windows Vista, whih puts in the windows chainloader |
| 07:32.24 | solitude | Linux |
| 07:32.35 | solitude | where grub lets you tenbot the windows chainloader |
| 07:32.41 | solitude | then boot * |
| 07:32.42 | Wyzard | solitude: I'm talking about Vista, not XP |
| 07:32.45 | solitude | so am i |
| 07:32.49 | sleek_ | vista is the damnation that will bring MS to it's knee |
| 07:32.49 | solitude | [08:32:05] <solitude> windows Vista, whih puts in the windows chainloader |
| 07:32.49 | solitude | [08:32:08] <solitude> Linux |
| 07:33.02 | Wyzard | <solitude> you just have to do it in this order |
| 07:33.03 | Wyzard | <solitude> Windows XP |
| 07:33.03 | solitude | ok |
| 07:33.03 | solitude | lets do this: |
| 07:33.07 | solitude | yup |
| 07:33.23 | solitude | you can omit XP |
| 07:33.23 | solitude | and just d vista then linux |
| 07:33.23 | solitude | do * |
| 07:33.23 | solitude | but windows needs to be first |
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| 07:33.28 | sleek_ | lol |
| 07:33.31 | cast | calm down bro |
| 07:33.41 | solitude | hands up if youre bashing vista, but didn tinstall it with vlite ;) |
| 07:33.49 | solitude | vlite = sleeker, faster, stable vista |
| 07:33.51 | Azar | Wyzard: well "ready for Vista" hardware, what can we say more? |
| 07:33.54 | Christoph_vW | I am forced to use Vista on my main computer (linux won't work on it) and I have not much problems with it |
| 07:33.57 | Wyzard | I'm quite familiar with how to chain-load a Windows boot sector from GRUB |
| 07:34.06 | fungo | yay, my memories are ready for vista |
| 07:34.07 | Christoph_vW | except that gcc is crashing all the time :/ |
| 07:34.08 | maxamillion | is there any docs or info about the LVM - Encrypted Filesystem in the installer? |
| 07:34.09 | cast | Christoph_vW: why doesn't 'linux' work on it? |
| 07:34.09 | fungo | lofl |
| 07:34.33 | Azar | cast: DRM at hardware level maybe? |
| 07:34.44 | cast | maxamillion: not that i've found, but as i understand it its the normal LVM with the PV on a luks partition |
| 07:34.51 | Wyzard | but what I've heard -- I haven't personally used Vista -- is that Vista's new MBR code actually does stuff that the OS needs; overwriting the MBR with GRUB which chain-loads the Windows partition's boot sector causes Vista to fail to boot |
| 07:35.08 | Christoph_vW | cast: crappy nvidia drivers (I get about 40 x-window errors a day) and crappy IDE drivers (no DMA), no support for v4l2 in messenger apps - so my webcam isn't working |
| 07:35.09 | cast | Azar: we haven't got that entrenched [yet] in DRM have we? D: |
| 07:35.19 | Pencil2 | alright Wyzard, thanks for your support today. i appreciate it |
| 07:35.21 | Pencil2 | imma go hit the hay. |
| 07:35.24 | maxamillion | cast: ah, i guess LUKS is what i need to search for then ... thanks :) |
| 07:35.26 | sleek_ | Wyzard, install Vista's bootloader in it's own partition then ? |
| 07:35.28 | Pencil2 | see you guys later. |
| 07:35.36 | Azar | cast: geezzz, it started in 2005... I hurried up and bought the last clean box I found |
| 07:35.53 | cast | maxamillion: yip, LUKS, implemented with cryptsetup...which just sets up a dm-crypt mapping |
| 07:36.09 | Azar | pre-drm cpu, mobo, bios |
| 07:36.20 | Wyzard | sleek_: The issue is the MBR code, not the partition boot sector |
| 07:36.26 | sleek_ | right |
| 07:36.46 | Wyzard | Making another partition wouldn't help with that |
| 07:36.51 | cast | Azar: i do think my video card [7600gt] has some drm ability, cpu *might* have the extensions. but its no way mandatory |
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| 07:37.02 | sleek_ | the right person can decompile the bootloader and see what is being passed :) |
| 07:37.16 | sleek_ | of course it wouldnt be a generic solution anymore |
| 07:37.16 | klikklak | is squid worth setting up for a single person tor setup? |
| 07:37.20 | maxamillion | decompile a boot loader? ... why not download the source? |
| 07:37.36 | Azar | cast: I would imagine that on the newer boxes hacks around restrictions would be needed... if not now, soon |
| 07:37.40 | sleek_ | maxamillion, vista's src code ? |
| 07:37.47 | maxamillion | sleek_: oh, i missed that part |
| 07:37.57 | Wyzard | sleek_: I think it's related to the "trusted boot" procedure, meant to stop people from loading unauthorized drivers |
| 07:38.04 | maxamillion | sleek_: yeahhh.... i wouldn't want it if they offered it |
| 07:38.10 | maxamillion | well ... might be worth a good laugh |
| 07:38.19 | cast | Azar: soon, yes. but not now, not yet. you can still go out and buy an intel/amd cpu, mobo, ram and install whatever you want on it. dunno what the situation is with macs, or prebuild computers like laptops though |
| 07:38.23 | maxamillion | sit around with a cup of coffee and go "what the hell were they thinking?" |
| 07:38.32 | Wyzard | sleek_: That's already been defeated, though, so Vista's MBR has probably been reverse-engineered enough that GRUB could potentially be extended to do the same stuff :-) |
| 07:38.58 | sleek_ | security is almost nil when the person is right in front of the computer |
| 07:39.10 | sleek_ | I don't see why they would limit their software like that |
| 07:39.15 | sleek_ | but then they are ms |
| 07:39.19 | maxamillion | cast: the macs claim to have some sort of encryption on die of the cpu that only allows dual booting to occur via bootcamp (but i don't know if i completely believe it) |
| 07:40.01 | Christoph_vW | yeah - I will have to call them again on monday - crappy product activation :/ |
| 07:40.05 | maxamillion | especially because the first generation intel macs were hacked to run winXP in that little pool of money they had going |
| 07:40.13 | Azar | I never was a fan of the idea of dual boot: my first linux box in fact had a swappable HD and until I decided to totally move to linux Debian I would change the hard drives back and forth |
| 07:40.23 | wols_ | Wyzard: a MBR is 512 bytes. what could they put in there? |
| 07:40.33 | wols_ | and: it also needs to boot things like XP or DOS even |
| 07:40.49 | sleek_ | native code is really easy to decompile and comprehend, especially bootloaders |
| 07:40.52 | wols_ | unless they use that new partitioning format ("dynamic disks", kinda like LVM) |
| 07:41.19 | Wyzard | wols_: no idea... I'm just repeating what I've heard from others here who have reported problems on Vista/Debian dual-boot systems |
| 07:41.25 | maxamillion | Azar: i dual booted at work out of necessity until i just installed winXP in virtualbox to cut out the reboot wait time, but at home i've been linux-only for almost as long as i have owned a computer |
| 07:41.25 | Christoph_vW | wols_: NT/XP/Vista are all using ntldr and windows supports dynamic disks too |
| 07:41.25 | sleek_ | I wonder why nobody modified gcc to read asm and translate to C |
| 07:41.31 | sleek_ | and use the debug info even :) |
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| 07:41.52 | wols_ | Christoph_vW: I know. but dynamic disk partiton has thrown grub or other bootloaders off before |
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| 07:42.27 | wols_ | sleek_: there are C decompilers. they don't work |
| 07:42.41 | wols_ | the best you can get is a disassembler. and in that case that means IDA Pro |
| 07:43.10 | Azar | Wyzard, wols_ someone wrote about this back in april 2006: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/27/schneier_infosec/ |
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| 07:44.17 | wols_ | Azar: totally different issue. drive encryption |
| 07:44.25 | wols_ | you cannot encrypt the MBR :P |
| 07:44.40 | wols_ | well you can, but good luck booting from it ithen on normal PCs |
| 07:44.41 | Christoph_vW | BitLocker is Ultimate and Enterprise Edition only anyway |
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| 07:45.05 | sleek_ | I bet if I convert asm into a flowchart form ( or a graph ) and use that to write the C code it would be comprehensible |
| 07:45.10 | microtux | hi i removed the trash, how can i recover it?? |
| 07:45.14 | sleek_ | I haven't got the time to write a parser-lexer though |
| 07:45.30 | Wyzard | wols_: but in a system with a TPM, the MBR code could be part of the authenticated procedure necessary for the TPM chip to release the decryption key to the OS |
| 07:45.40 | wols_ | sleek_: good luck automating that: your PC doesn't do AI (yet) |
| 07:46.00 | wols_ | Wyzard: not "could be". has to be |
| 07:46.13 | sleek_ | wols_, converting asm into a graph doesn't need AI |
| 07:46.21 | sleek_ | a simple state machine would do |
| 07:46.30 | wols_ | the point of TPM is to guarantee an unbroken chain from the bare iron up to the applicatin layer |
| 07:46.30 | Wyzard | so replacing the MBR code with something else (like GRUB stage1) would break Vista booting |
| 07:46.32 | sleek_ | that's my opinion, correct me if I am wrong :) |
| 07:46.35 | Azar | hmm you gotta overwrite the Vista bootloader and replace it with grub in the MBR.. |
| 07:46.43 | wols_ | "and use that to write the C code" |
| 07:46.53 | sleek_ | another state machine |
| 07:47.20 | seth1248 | How can I enable multilingual support, when I installed etch I selected only English with US keyboard support. How can I change this without reinstalling debian? |
| 07:47.29 | wols_ | sleek_: let's just say there is a lot of money in what you propose but no one has done it yet. you can be rich if you do it successfuly |
| 07:47.32 | Azar | Wyzard: http://www.pro-networks.org/forum/about78184.html |
| 07:47.40 | wols_ | but I bet my money on Ilfak, not you, sorry |
| 07:47.40 | sleek_ | wols_, I doubt so |
| 07:48.14 | sleek_ | govt all over the world would be climbing over the walls to sue me |
| 07:48.28 | wols_ | no |
| 07:48.46 | sleek_ | if I have 3 free years I might be able to do it |
| 07:48.48 | wols_ | and disassemblers and decompilers exist already. no one is sued over them |
| 07:49.10 | Azar | anyways for now, for 2007 I find it ridiculous to buy the monster PC Vista needs, not being able to dual boot , then say decide to wipe it up and install Linux which kernel might not support all the "newest" drivers |
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| 07:49.18 | sleek_ | wols_, because they dont work perfectly I think |
| 07:49.42 | sleek_ | I am not sure if my idea would produce almost perfect code though |
| 07:50.06 | Wyzard | Azar: I just don't run Windows on my new computer... only Debian |
| 07:50.15 | Wyzard | (well, aside from in VMware) |
| 07:50.35 | wols_ | sleek_: AnyDVD works perfectly in copying DVDs and the MPAA is even more lawsuit happy than any gov in the world. AnySoft still exists. you need to rethink your argumentation |
| 07:50.35 | siimo | anyone know of a good compiz fusion repo for debian lenny |
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| 07:50.42 | sleek_ | imagine decompiling all windows drivers and having at least equal support for hardware features |
| 07:50.49 | Azar | Wyzard: my "new" computer :) has hardware 2 years old that mostly "just works" with Debian.. |
| 07:50.50 | sleek_ | * on linux |
| 07:51.02 | dondelelcaro | sleek_: islprobably because almost everyone who works with gcc seirously , works on FOSS code. |
| 07:51.05 | wols_ | sleek_: what programming languages do you use? |
| 07:51.09 | Wyzard | Azar: My hardware is 6 months old and also "just works" |
| 07:51.13 | sleek_ | wols_, C mainly |
| 07:51.28 | sleek_ | I have tried programming a hobby OS using asm, but I have forgotten much |
| 07:51.29 | Wyzard | Azar: including SATA hotplugging -- I installed a new DVD drive yesterday without shutting down |
| 07:51.43 | Azar | Wyzard: even the video drivers? the "free" drivers? |
| 07:51.48 | fungo | my hardware is 1 month old and my sound is shitty |
| 07:51.52 | microtux | hi i removed the trash, how can i recover it?? |
| 07:51.57 | sleek_ | lol |
| 07:51.57 | wols_ | Azar: probably intel :P |
| 07:52.00 | fungo | besides that everything works |
| 07:52.01 | Wyzard | Azar: I'm using nvidia, though nv works well enough for 2D |
| 07:52.03 | Azar | hehe |
| 07:52.04 | sleek_ | you removed the trash into the trash |
| 07:52.05 | sleek_ | uhuh |
| 07:52.14 | inetd | hmm..for some reason my fonts.alias file not working |
| 07:52.25 | Azar | Wyzard: really? do we have a "nv" for a 6 month old driver? |
| 07:52.29 | cast | Wyzard: wait...you got sata hotplug working. what do you have for a sata controller? mobo sata? |
| 07:52.34 | Wyzard | Azar: It's a 7600GS |
| 07:52.35 | fungo | Wyzard it doesn't :D try moving that gnome desktop selection square or something like that too fast |
| 07:52.43 | fungo | it isn't smooth as with nvidia propietary driver |
| 07:52.44 | Wyzard | cast: Intel ICH8 chipset's built-in SATA |
| 07:53.01 | Wyzard | which is AHCI |
| 07:53.02 | cast | Wyzard: and you plugged it in, did yo uhave to run a scan of any sort? |
| 07:53.06 | inetd | ive got "Trebuchet" "-microsoft-trebuchet ms-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-1" in ~/.fonts/fonts.alias |
| 07:53.12 | Azar | well I ask because we get a "nv" in debian for hardware at least one year old |
| 07:53.25 | inetd | but after rehashing when i do xlsfonts new font name dont come up |
| 07:53.28 | inetd | any idea/ |
| 07:53.34 | Wyzard | cast: I didn't have to do anything special besides plugging in the drives and setting the controller to AHCI mode in the BIOS |
| 07:53.36 | inetd | ? |
| 07:53.42 | seth1248 | How can I enable multilingual support, when I installed etch I selected only English with US keyboard support. How can I change this without reinstalling debian? |
| 07:53.55 | cast | Wyzard: hmm, and you just plug it in and it pops up in dmesg and /dev? |
| 07:53.55 | Christoph_vW | Wyzard: do you have a JMicron IDE controller on this board? |
| 07:53.57 | sleek_ | my hardwares just work too.. the problem is getting the application that can talk to it :) |
| 07:54.14 | Azar | seth1248: dpkg reconfigure-locales ... Iguess you need utf8 |
| 07:54.29 | Azar | en and utf8 |
| 07:54.41 | seth1248 | Azar: Thank You |
| 07:55.00 | Azar | Wyzard: slap me if I am wrong about utf8 |
| 07:55.18 | Wyzard | cast: Oh, you mean when hotplugging... yeah, the kernel notices immediately (in dmesg), waits a few seconds for the drive to spin up, and then the new device appears in hal-device-manager |
| 07:55.33 | Wyzard | Christoph_vW: Yes, in addition to the ICH8 SATA... it's an Abit AB9 Pro |
| 07:55.52 | Wyzard | Christoph_vW: The most recent BIOS update enabled AHCI for the JMicron controller too |
| 07:56.09 | cast | Wyzard: that is awesome. i plugged in a drive and nothing happened. i shall try in a bit |
| 07:56.11 | Christoph_vW | the latest BIOS upgrade for my mainboard failed - I have to RMA it |
| 07:56.34 | sleek_ | wols_, do you code ? and if you do, do you use UI toolkits ? |
| 07:56.40 | Wyzard | cast: I've unplugged a DVD drive, plugged in a hard drive, scanned the hard drive for errors, copied files to it, unplugged it, and plugged in a different DVD drive, all without rebooting |
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| 07:57.03 | Wyzard | cast: You need to be using AHCI, remember |
| 07:57.12 | Christoph_vW | and option to recover it and no PLCC :/ to much for "CrashFree BIOS" |
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| 07:57.14 | cast | Wyzard: indeed, will look for it in the bios |
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| 07:57.41 | sleek_ | Wyzard, usb or ata/sata/pata ? |
| 07:57.52 | sleek_ | "I've unplugged a DVD drive" |
| 07:57.54 | Wyzard | sleek_: SATA |
| 07:58.01 | sleek_ | wow |
| 07:58.04 | Wyzard | Of course it would be nothing remarkable if it was USB |
| 07:58.13 | sleek_ | afaik that used to be a no no |
| 07:58.28 | sleek_ | so AHCI allows that ? |
| 07:58.41 | Christoph_vW | Wyzard: is DMA working with the JMicron controller for you? I always got an error msg at boot and DMA was disabled then |
| 07:58.53 | sleek_ | or is it a feature of the more modern interfaces |
| 07:59.15 | Wyzard | sleek_: SATA is physically designed to be electrically safe for hotplugging; all SATA drives support hotplugging (afaik); if your controller (and its driver) support it, you can do it |
| 07:59.29 | sleek_ | I never had any SATA drives yet :( |
| 07:59.31 | cast | everyone hyped sata as being hotswappable, but now no one seems to ever do it [i suppose enterprise folk do, but they'd have expensive raid controllers and the like] |
| 07:59.35 | Wyzard | sleek_: It's really a question of whether the controller can tell the OS when a hotplug event has occurred, and whether the OS can deal with it when it happens |
| 07:59.36 | sleek_ | still sticking to old ATA |
| 07:59.39 | fungo | sleek_ it's awesome |
| 07:59.47 | Wyzard | AHCI supports both hotplug and NCQ |
| 08:00.15 | Wyzard | Christoph_vW: I don't have anything connected to the JMicron... I have six SATA ports on the ICH8 controller and only five SATA devices |
| 08:00.22 | fungo | the cables are small, it's fast, hotplug |
| 08:00.31 | fungo | it's good in every aspect |
| 08:00.34 | sleek_ | I have not found a reason to move to SATA etc. I might have a taste of it when I buy a new PC |
| 08:01.15 | Wyzard | sleek_: Aside from hotplug/NCQ, the thin SATA cables are much better for airflow and overall less clutter inside your case, if you have multiple drives |
| 08:01.26 | fungo | ata and fd should die |
| 08:01.32 | sleek_ | yeah, that would be great |
| 08:01.55 | microtux | i removed the trash, how can i recover it?? |
| 08:02.09 | Wyzard | My previous desktop system had five IDE hard drives and the cabling was a nightmare |
| 08:02.13 | sleek_ | I should start messing with these new modern tech. also LVM and RAID |
| 08:02.50 | sleek_ | I am really familiar with technologies of the golden 486s :) |
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| 08:03.28 | Christoph_vW | sleek_: little bit outdated :D |
| 08:03.29 | Wyzard | sleek_: LVM is very nice... I use it in all my installations now |
| 08:03.44 | sleek_ | microtux, in case you are wondering why ppl are ignoring you.. idk the answer :) |
| 08:03.49 | sleek_ | oh he quit |
| 08:05.02 | sleek_ | from http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/whatisvolman.html |
| 08:05.06 | sleek_ | it sounds nice |
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| 08:05.38 | Wyzard | My current system uses LVM on top of dm-crypt on top of RAID-5 |
| 08:05.40 | cast | no luck finding any such options in bios [asus m2n-e] :( |
| 08:05.43 | sleek_ | but how will my drives be identified at kernel loading / chroot to / ? |
| 08:05.49 | fungo | wow, how much overhead |
| 08:05.57 | sleek_ | root="boot" |
| 08:06.09 | sleek_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.10 | Wyzard | There's some noticeable slowdown when doing heavy disk I/O, but for typical usage it's fine |
| 08:06.48 | fungo | disk performance is a must, it's the bottleneck of every computer |
| 08:07.06 | Christoph_vW | I am using RAID5 in my server too - it is too slow :/ |
| 08:07.08 | Wyzard | Unless I'm copying large files around I don't notice it at all |
| 08:07.11 | cast | would be interesting to look at the LRW mode vs ESSIV, things have been strangely silent regarding LRW |
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| 08:07.33 | cast | [LRW is a bit faster] |
| 08:07.34 | Christoph_vW | more than half a million IO waits for one compilation |
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| 08:08.18 | Wyzard | Christoph_vW: gcc's "-pipe" option might help with that -- no need to write intermediate output to disk |
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| 08:08.36 | sleek_ | I have a usb to ATA adapter |
| 08:08.44 | sleek_ | I use it to boot linux in 2 modes |
| 08:08.55 | Christoph_vW | Wyzard: I doubt I have enough memory then... |
| 08:08.57 | jetscreamer | nevermind |
| 08:09.07 | sleek_ | 1) with the adapter attached, 2) straight to ATA |
| 08:09.19 | Christoph_vW | about 3GB intermediate files |
| 08:09.24 | Wyzard | Christoph_vW: It doesn't buffer it all in RAM, it just pipes it to the next stage of the compiler to be consumed immediately |
| 08:09.42 | Azar | sleek_: http://jbakshi.50webs.com/Linux_tutorial/Hardware_detection/Hardware_Detection.html << tho some of these commands don't work in Debian |
| 08:09.48 | Wyzard | Christoph_vW: I'm talking about the output of the preprocessor being fed into the compiler, the output of the compiler being fed into the linker, etc. |
| 08:09.54 | Christoph_vW | looks like this is worth a try |
| 08:10.21 | Wyzard | sleek_: I don't understand your question... are you asking about how the root filesystem gets mounted on a system using LVM? |
| 08:10.36 | sleek_ | yes at init |
| 08:10.45 | Wyzard | It's handled by an initramfs |
| 08:10.50 | Christoph_vW | Wyzard: have to upgrade my memory first - there is a single 600MB object file |
| 08:11.03 | sleek_ | I don't like kernel panicking because it couldn't find the right partition |
| 08:11.07 | Wyzard | which sets up access to the LVM volume, mounts it, and switches over to it |
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| 08:11.39 | sleek_ | Wyzard, yes but if I have LVM, can I say kernel vmlinuz boot="mybootpart" ? |
| 08:11.45 | sleek_ | oh |
| 08:11.46 | sleek_ | I see |
| 08:11.54 | Wyzard | sleek_: If your root filesystem is on a plain partition, booting works like usual |
| 08:12.08 | Wyzard | sleek_: if it's on an LVM volume, it's done with the help of the initramfs |
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| 08:12.58 | sleek_ | since my hdd /dev path keeps changing, I thought it would be easier if I pass boot="mybootpart" |
| 08:13.04 | sleek_ | I guess there's no easy way ;) |
| 08:13.20 | Wyzard | Christoph_vW: The way a pipe works, the recipient can read the data concurrently with the producer outputting it, so it's unlikely that the entire 600MB worth of intermediate output would be stored in RAM at the same time |
| 08:13.41 | Wyzard | Christoph_vW: but even if it is, it'll just be swapped out; no harm done |
| 08:14.09 | Wyzard | sleek_: You get that for free with LVM -- device names don't matter because they all just get scanned for LVM signatures |
| 08:14.38 | xingu | anyone know offhand what's conflicting with sun-java6-* in sid? |
| 08:14.38 | Wyzard | sleek_: If the name of a physical drive changes, it doesn't affect how you access the logical volumes |
| 08:15.06 | Wyzard | xingu: I think it was just that one of the new dependencies hasn't been uploaded yet, but I haven't looked too closely |
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| 08:15.18 | sleek_ | so if I load LVM as a module, give the kernel boot="mybootdir" param, it will work ? |
| 08:15.27 | Wyzard | xingu: It's only an issue on amd64 though... the upgrade went fine on x86 |
| 08:15.28 | sleek_ | even if I change the hdd from ATA to USB |
| 08:15.30 | Tycale | Hi ! |
| 08:15.32 | xingu | Wyzard: cheers, saves me a bit of brainache |
| 08:15.38 | xingu | Wyzard: yep amd64 here |
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| 08:16.08 | Wyzard | sleek_: You'd use root=/dev/mapper/myvgname-mylvname |
| 08:16.16 | sleek_ | I might go figure it out later myself |
| 08:16.30 | sleek_ | best way to learn is to dip yourself in it :) |
| 08:16.32 | Wyzard | sleek_: and that path is not dependent at all on the names of the physical devices which make up the LVM volume group |
| 08:16.38 | xingu | Wyzard: yeah possibly sun-java6-bin 6-01-1 is missing |
| 08:17.08 | sleek_ | ahh yes.. root=/dev.. not boot=dev... |
| 08:17.36 | sleek_ | and if LVM support is built into the kernel, it will work straight out |
| 08:18.00 | Wyzard | in the kernel and the initrd, yes |
| 08:18.07 | Wyzard | Debian's stock kernels and mkinitramfs handle it fine |
| 08:18.11 | sleek_ | what do I have to with the initrd ? |
| 08:18.15 | Wyzard | even the complex case of LVM-on-crypto-on-RAID |
| 08:18.19 | Wyzard | You don't have to do anything |
| 08:18.28 | sleek_ | okay |
| 08:18.44 | sleek_ | my current solution is to modify the script in initrd |
| 08:18.53 | Wyzard | Modify it in what way? |
| 08:18.58 | sleek_ | try mount at hda5 first, if failed, mount on sda5 |
| 08:18.59 | fungo | debian stock kernel is very good, i don't see a reason to compile another |
| 08:19.06 | Wyzard | ah |
| 08:19.11 | Wyzard | That's an ugly hack :-) |
| 08:19.16 | sleek_ | yeah it is :) |
| 08:19.19 | sleek_ | but it works |
| 08:19.26 | sleek_ | idk of any other solution |
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| 08:19.40 | Wyzard | won't be needed with LVM -- you can just use the initrd that gets generated when you install the kernel package |
| 08:20.06 | sleek_ | I assume initrd is needed because the LVM module is put in there ? |
| 08:20.22 | Wyzard | fungo: I used to compile custom kernels just for the sake of kernel-patch-debianlogo, but I eventually decided it was pointless and stopped |
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| 08:20.33 | Wyzard | sleek_: Among other reasons, yes |
| 08:20.46 | sleek_ | Wyzard, what if you put LVM as [*] instead of [M] |
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| 08:20.48 | iSupaplex | !test |
| 08:20.49 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 08:21.01 | sleek_ | dpkg -i tremulous |
| 08:21.03 | sleek_ | lol |
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| 08:21.08 | iSupaplex | hehe |
| 08:21.18 | sleek_ | dpkg moo |
| 08:21.18 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 08:21.20 | sleek_ | omg |
| 08:21.34 | iSupaplex | you can /query dpkg to you know. :) |
| 08:21.36 | sleek_ | I guess the author thought well about it :) |
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| 08:21.41 | fungo | apt-get moo |
| 08:21.41 | xingu | sleek_: root=SOME_FS_LABEL works too. |
| 08:21.45 | iSupaplex | dpkg: factoids |
| 08:21.45 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 08:22.04 | sleek_ | xingu, :D really ? |
| 08:22.05 | Wyzard | sleek_: LVM isn't actually a kernel feature; the kernel feature is a more generic component called device-mapper |
| 08:22.14 | sleek_ | ahh |
| 08:22.14 | xingu | sleek_: here, it's e2label (ext3fs) and root=LABEL=root |
| 08:22.20 | iSupaplex | xingu: afaik, there's an open bug on grub for disk lables |
| 08:22.23 | sleek_ | I don't understand it too deep |
| 08:22.29 | Wyzard | sleek_: but even if device-mapper were built into the kernel, you'd still need scripted commands in the initrd to actually bring up the logical volumes |
| 08:22.36 | xingu | iSupaplex: if there is it isn't triggering here |
| 08:22.44 | sleek_ | I have compiled my own kernel, mostly guess-work and party-when-it-runs |
| 08:22.46 | iSupaplex | ah. cool. |
| 08:23.14 | Wyzard | sleek_: Why? |
| 08:23.27 | sleek_ | usually involving dri |
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| 08:23.38 | sleek_ | why doesn't the kernel dri work with modern dri ? |
| 08:23.44 | Wyzard | No, why build your own kernel? |
| 08:23.53 | sleek_ | I used to be on slackware |
| 08:24.00 | sleek_ | about 5-6 years ago |
| 08:24.12 | sleek_ | support started to drop, I fled to winXP |
| 08:24.22 | sleek_ | until I started developing with their API |
| 08:25.02 | Wyzard | and? |
| 08:25.10 | sleek_ | it was super-ugly |
| 08:25.46 | sleek_ | we used C to learn algorithm in college, so that's where most of my programming time went |
| 08:25.49 | Wyzard | That has nothing to do with what I asked though |
| 08:25.57 | sleek_ | I never touched the API |
| 08:25.59 | Wyzard | so I'm confused |
| 08:26.01 | sleek_ | yeah just a side-story |
| 08:26.03 | sleek_ | :P |
| 08:26.05 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 08:26.32 | sleek_ | well the supplied kernel wasn't good enough |
| 08:26.47 | sleek_ | I had a few hardwares I needed to work on the machine |
| 08:27.02 | sleek_ | I think, back then I had to recompile because of usb support |
| 08:27.16 | sleek_ | the old days.. |
| 08:27.21 | Wyzard | That must've been a long time ago |
| 08:27.22 | xingu | pre-kbuild out-of-tree drivers, bleurgh |
| 08:27.26 | Wyzard | These days there's not much need for that |
| 08:27.31 | iSupaplex | sleek_: you'd think with slack, you'd be versed in this dept. eg, make oldconfig, make menuconfig etc etc |
| 08:27.43 | sleek_ | I must say I was surprised when I installed debian about 3 weeks ago |
| 08:27.49 | sleek_ | almost everything just works |
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| 08:27.57 | iSupaplex | yea, m-a handles external source modules |
| 08:28.03 | sleek_ | iSupaplex, I didn't use it for long |
| 08:28.03 | cast | what didn't out of curiosity? |
| 08:28.18 | cast | [of note i installed opensolaris about 3 weeks ago and everything did just work :] |
| 08:28.36 | iSupaplex | I have yet to wrap my head around solaris |
| 08:28.51 | iSupaplex | i've installed it a few times. got bored real quick. :P |
| 08:29.09 | sleek_ | my sound card still goes on and off |
| 08:29.19 | Wyzard | same here... I've tried it out in VMware |
| 08:29.22 | sleek_ | I would need to shut down, unplug the power supply and replug it in |
| 08:29.35 | sleek_ | booting without replugging the power supply wont work |
| 08:29.39 | sleek_ | could be a buggy hardware |
| 08:29.46 | cast | iSupaplex: grab the sxce if you do...but yeah. i still don't know how to configure my network, fortunately it used dhcp by default. all i've bothered to learn is how to use ZFS :D |
| 08:29.48 | Wyzard | yeah, I was about to say that sounds like a hardware problem |
| 08:30.00 | sleek_ | it behaved the same on WinXP |
| 08:30.11 | Wyzard | almost certainly hardware then |
| 08:30.15 | sleek_ | but I remember old kernels/drivers worked fine |
| 08:30.17 | cast | definitely a hw problem.. |
| 08:30.32 | cast | another debian success story! everything works but the broken hardware. |
| 08:30.35 | Wyzard | It probably just wasn't broken back then |
| 08:30.57 | sleek_ | probably something like ACPI / new control method conforming to a standard was put into newer kernels |
| 08:31.09 | sleek_ | since it behaves like that both on winXP and linux |
| 08:31.53 | sleek_ | Wyzard, there was a transition time when it worked everytime with slack, but not in winXP |
| 08:32.06 | iSupaplex | I was able to clue my dept manager into using a journalized filesystem for the sun boxes (couple years ago). The throbbing vein on his forehead would was noticable all day until the filesystems were all cleaned up. |
| 08:32.25 | sleek_ | I noticed that while I was dua-booting with winXP |
| 08:32.47 | iSupaplex | too bad we didn't use linux, some silly support contract for an application we were using required sun hardware. pffft. |
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| 08:32.57 | Wyzard | Out of curiosity, why are you using a custom kernel now? |
| 08:33.01 | Wyzard | especially when you're new to Debian |
| 08:33.12 | sleek_ | I am not |
| 08:33.17 | sleek_ | that was back then :) |
| 08:33.21 | Wyzard | oh, I thought you said you were |
| 08:33.21 | Wyzard | ok |
| 08:33.43 | soneil | Is there a sane way to install remotely? ie, a headless machine |
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| 08:34.25 | sleek_ | I was surprised to not find a bittorrent client that suit to my taste on linux |
| 08:34.34 | Wyzard | soneil: Not that I know of, unless the machine is a server with one of the management cards that lets you redirect the local VGA over the network |
| 08:34.36 | sleek_ | Azureus == java == :( |
| 08:34.54 | sleek_ | utorrent on winXP is really efficient |
| 08:35.08 | cast | sleek_: i tend to like the python client, but than i r !a pirate |
| 08:35.16 | Wyzard | Azureus works well enough for me |
| 08:35.27 | sleek_ | I got my debian image from torrent :) |
| 08:35.46 | sleek_ | I am coding a torrent client in C right now |
| 08:35.57 | sleek_ | it can talk to a tracker now |
| 08:36.33 | iSupaplex | !netinst++ |
| 08:37.00 | Christoph_vW | is there any diff between firefox and iceweasel beside the name? |
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| 08:37.11 | SleekSlacker | it's Free |
| 08:37.18 | SleekSlacker | I mean iceweasel is |
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| 08:37.30 | Christoph_vW | and ff not? |
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| 08:37.53 | Wyzard | It's not DFSG-free for trademark reasons |
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| 08:40.54 | cast | SleekSlacker: mozilla told debian they couldn't patch ff and use their trademark, as i understand it |
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| 08:41.10 | cast | uh Christoph_vW eevn |
| 08:41.20 | Christoph_vW | ah, ok |
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| 08:41.41 | SleekSlacker | I can understand their reason |
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| 08:41.47 | Quibus | hi |
| 08:41.54 | Wyzard | Actually, they were initially willing to grant Debian a license to do that, but Debian didn't want to accept the license because it wouldn't apply to users as well |
| 08:42.01 | soneil | it's fair enough .. iceweasel is exactly what their trademark clause is about |
| 08:42.01 | Quibus | I installed compiz-gnome, how do I enable the 'desktop effects'? It's not in the System->Preferences menu |
| 08:42.14 | Wyzard | which goes against the "license must not be specific to Debian" rule of the DFSG |
| 08:42.51 | cast | is compiz-gnome a sid pkg? |
| 08:43.05 | Quibus | no, testing |
| 08:43.06 | SleekSlacker | I can't wait for the day when cloning machines are invented |
| 08:43.17 | cast | ahh. |
| 08:43.22 | SleekSlacker | then I would have the experience of pirating expensive cars |
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| 08:44.03 | Penix | I can certainly wait for that day |
| 08:44.15 | cast | SleekSlacker: because you'll finally get that to sleep wi....oh, cool. cars. |
| 08:44.27 | Wyzard | SleekSlacker: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1879263.html |
| 08:44.28 | SleekSlacker | lol |
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| 08:45.03 | SleekSlacker | oh hey that's my cloning woman |
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| 08:45.34 | soneil | entirely OT, but I think if a cloning machine's ever invented, someone's gonna be burried real quietly. that kinda stuff would destroy too many economies |
| 08:46.00 | cast | soneil: heh. well. the inventor will get cloned, then burried |
| 08:46.15 | SleekSlacker | and the whole world turn to communism |
| 08:46.24 | SleekSlacker | same stuffs for everyone |
| 08:46.41 | xingu | I bet the first thing to get cloned will be the cloning machine |
| 08:46.46 | SleekSlacker | lol |
| 08:46.49 | SleekSlacker | you cant |
| 08:46.55 | SleekSlacker | unless you build two |
| 08:46.59 | cast | lol. |
| 08:47.03 | cast | SleekSlacker: cunning |
| 08:47.08 | Rapp | hi everyone! |
| 08:47.11 | xingu | followed by the wife's sister if the inventor is xy |
| 08:47.23 | SleekSlacker | kekeke |
| 08:47.25 | Rapp | i am running etch, and i want to install qt 4.3. is there some backport repo for this? |
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| 08:47.39 | soneil | one of Cory Doctrow's short stories is about that. guy starts off using a machine to bootleg stuffs. gets caught, prionsed ... comes out ... starts bootlegging the machine. spread the info, not the wealth |
| 08:47.40 | wols_ | !tell Rapp about backports |
| 08:48.39 | xingu | moving house is the suck; I've been so long without internet access iceweasel has dropped my browser history |
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| 08:49.05 | SleekSlacker | I hope going OT is allowed here :) |
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| 08:49.43 | sdschulze | I have XOrg 7.2 and there does not seem to be a "Module" section in my xorg.conf, but it loads some modules anyway, which is not a bad thing in principal; but I want to stop it from loading the "dri" module. How do I do this? |
| 08:50.02 | Christoph_vW | the iceweasel image looks much better then the original ff logo |
| 08:50.03 | wols_ | !tell sdschulze about drxx |
| 08:50.17 | soneil | I'm open to suggestions installing deb on a headless machine, if anyone wants to veer wildy on-topic (machine already has a distro if that helps) |
| 08:50.40 | wols_ | scotti: debootstrap |
| 08:50.44 | sdschulze | wols_: It doesn't ask me any more about which modules to load. |
| 08:50.48 | wols_ | !tell soneil about debootstrap |
| 08:50.54 | Wyzard | sdschulze: You know, I've seen directions saying to comment out that module, but I've never seen any harm in having it loaded |
| 08:51.03 | SleekSlacker | !tell sleek about drxx |
| 08:51.04 | wols_ | sdschulze: delete your xorg.conf. start over |
| 08:51.26 | wols_ | !tell SleekSlacker about selftell |
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| 08:51.34 | Wyzard | sdschulze: Why do you need to remove it? |
| 08:51.41 | SleekSlacker | :D |
| 08:51.49 | soneil | wols_: cheers, looks right up my alley (I have a fedora box that requires sanity) |
| 08:52.05 | SleekSlacker | I was curious why I don't see the tell msg |
| 08:52.11 | sdschulze | Wyzard: There is a known and hardly fixable bug in my video driver (OpenChrome). |
| 08:52.17 | Wyzard | ah |
| 08:52.37 | xingu | cast: testing's compiz-gnome appears to be v0.2 - sid's is 0.5... |
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| 08:53.27 | sdschulze | wols_: did so |
| 08:53.31 | wireddd | which package has dos2unix in it? |
| 08:53.31 | sdschulze | still doesn't ask me |
| 08:53.42 | wols_ | wireddd: /msg dpkg search |
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| 08:54.29 | SleekSlacker | hi wireddd |
| 08:54.49 | wireddd | hello |
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| 08:55.14 | sdschulze | Wyzard: undocumented hardware features, you know... |
| 08:55.17 | SleekSlacker | wireddd, now that I am back in my country, I can hardly play Trem |
| 08:55.19 | SleekSlacker | bad ping |
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| 08:55.47 | dimir | Moin! |
| 08:56.13 | wireddd | hmm the package was tofrodos |
| 08:57.35 | xingu | SleekSlacker: all the sea cable into and out of .my seems to be made out of steel wool and paper clips |
| 08:58.17 | xingu | SleekSlacker: I've been fighting a nonstop series of outages in that region at work for the last fortnight; we've spent more time on satellite restoration paths than off them which is pretty dire. |
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| 08:59.04 | wireddd | I want a .my dns address |
| 08:59.22 | wireddd | oh.my is probably taken though |
| 08:59.30 | soneil | I want a .iq address. I want my.iq, your.iq ... Iraq needs to get fixed up |
| 08:59.42 | wireddd | yeah |
| 09:00.01 | xingu | .iq's ownership was a touchy subject in recent history |
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| 09:00.23 | soneil | so I heard. i think the last/current registrar was in Cali ? messy |
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| 09:01.09 | xingu | wikipedia, that font of all that is true and well researched, says ncmc |
| 09:02.17 | xingu | http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2005/11/24/at_last_iraq_finds_a_web_designation/, again from wiki-"just trust us ok?"-pedia |
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| 09:04.53 | Wyzard | hmm... I hear birds starting to sing outside |
| 09:04.58 | Wyzard | which means the sun will be coming up soon |
| 09:05.02 | Wyzard | which means I should go to bed :-/ |
| 09:05.11 | netdaemon | >_> |
| 09:05.19 | Wyzard | before the sky is too light and I can't |
| 09:05.24 | netdaemon | lies |
| 09:05.24 | netdaemon | bed is evil |
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| 09:05.45 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: dunno, it's 2A here, and the dumb birds are going at it |
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| 09:06.03 | Wyzard | Well, it's 5 here |
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| 09:06.39 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 09:07.04 | Quibus | no ideas how to enable desktop effects in GNOME? |
| 09:08.00 | iSupaplex | all my gnome desktop effects involve installing flwm instead. |
| 09:08.18 | xingu | Quibus: you might want to try asking dpkg about beryl; and no I'm not trying to start a flamefest about compiz/beryl, this is a pragmatic suggestion. |
| 09:08.20 | iSupaplex | I'll spare you the heartache :) |
| 09:08.26 | k-man__ | i just built a new kernel, but it paniced when I tried to boot it, complaining that i should add root=/dev/whatever |
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| 09:08.43 | k-man__ | could that be because I didn't include the --initrd command? |
| 09:09.00 | iSupaplex | k-man__: to what end did you build a new kernel? yes, initrd requires --inird if you use kp. |
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| 09:09.21 | Quibus | xingu: beryl doesn't seem to be aviaable in testing |
| 09:09.22 | xingu | Quibus: fyi: I'm using the somewhat dated packages from debian.beryl-project.org |
| 09:09.31 | k-man__ | iSupaplex, are you asking me why I built a new kernel? |
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| 09:09.34 | xingu | Quibus: yes, which is why you need to talk to dpkg about it. |
| 09:09.35 | Quibus | I'd like to use standard packages actually |
| 09:09.39 | iSupaplex | k-man__: yes |
| 09:09.45 | teclo- | hello, I've got some unbootable machine I'm trying to fix by booting on systemrescuecd and running grub. But when I do find /grub/stage1 it says Error 15: File not found .... any idea ? |
| 09:10.25 | k-man__ | iSupaplex, because I had issues getting 2.6.22rc5 to boot (it hands when it tries to load a particular driver) and also because i had issues getting the nvidia driver to compile and install with it |
| 09:10.30 | xingu | Quibus: you'll quickly discover that the debian repos are quite dated wrt upstream. |
| 09:10.30 | iSupaplex | teclo-: poke around on the debian wiki |
| 09:10.38 | SleekSlacker | xingu, where are you ? |
| 09:10.39 | k-man__ | iSupaplex, so i thought I'd build my own |
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| 09:10.46 | Quibus | hmm |
| 09:10.47 | xingu | SleekSlacker: .uk |
| 09:10.51 | k-man__ | iSupaplex, and also, i need the sources to fiddle around with lirc |
| 09:10.57 | iSupaplex | k-man__: but 2.6.22 isn't in testing, is it? |
| 09:11.04 | teclo- | iSupaplex: where is that ? wiki.debian.org ? |
| 09:11.06 | iSupaplex | m-a offers lirc |
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| 09:11.09 | k-man__ | iSupaplex, experimental has 2.6.22rc7 |
| 09:11.11 | SleekSlacker | xingu, what work restoring outages then ? |
| 09:11.19 | teclo- | also, maybe can the "rescue mode" of debian-installer help me with this grub problem ? |
| 09:11.22 | iSupaplex | teclo-: maybe. fall back to google, it knows where it hides. |
| 09:11.26 | k-man__ | iSupaplex, its so bleeding edge i cut my fingers on it ;) |
| 09:11.37 | iSupaplex | !tell teclo- about rescue |
| 09:12.39 | xingu | SleekSlacker: just the usual run of the mill buggerisation; leased {.sg,.in,.hk}<->.my paths, various bundles from 64k through 45m up and down like a bride's nighty. |
| 09:12.40 | iSupaplex | k-man__: that's the price you pay... :) try a stock kernel and m-a. I don't suggest a upstream kernel unless you have specific hardware or <experimental> needs (which goes without saying if you need experimental anything) |
| 09:13.13 | xingu | SleekSlacker: fortunately no backbones, all access circuits |
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| 09:13.26 | SleekSlacker | ahh ok |
| 09:13.34 | teclo- | iSupaplex: thank you |
| 09:13.49 | SleekSlacker | xingu, the telco here is the monopoly-style national company |
| 09:13.49 | utrrrongeeb | I'm trying to use a joystick with Etch -- sometimes GDM doesn't load and the system hangs when I boot it with the joystick plugged in. |
| 09:13.55 | SleekSlacker | same with the govt actually |
| 09:14.08 | xingu | SleekSlacker: yep, I've been on the phone with them all week. :) |
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| 09:14.35 | SleekSlacker | they keep adding customers without upgrading.. and they throttle our torrent down to 1-2 KBps |
| 09:14.59 | SleekSlacker | blame p2p for your network downtime. how nice |
| 09:15.00 | k-man__ | iSupaplex, but surely 22rc7 should be fairly ok? |
| 09:15.03 | xingu | SleekSlacker: fanout in central KL isn't an issue, but the paths in and out are rubbish :) |
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| 09:15.48 | xingu | SleekSlacker: the longer haul national stuff isn't so shit hot either |
| 09:16.16 | SleekSlacker | xingu, I don't understand all the terms. What service are you actually providing to them ? |
| 09:16.51 | xingu | SleekSlacker: private data services for various things. |
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| 09:17.03 | SleekSlacker | ok |
| 09:17.05 | iSupaplex | k-man__: you're free to try, but from my past experience, rough waters are nearby when you go it alone. There's nothing wrong with using a bleeding edge kernel (release, or rc, or whatever). There are other issues at play that might bite back if you're not prepared to sit down and work it out. |
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| 09:17.31 | k-man__ | iSupaplex, fair enough |
| 09:17.36 | SleekSlacker | xingu, if you happen to get a call from them again, please tell them to go rot in hell |
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| 09:19.26 | iSupaplex | k-man__: one example. the 2.6 kernel now uses a new style of initrd. it wasn't fun upgrading some of my boxes for this :) etch saves my $@$* now, and I've recently downgraded to 2.6.18 debian stock kernels. The only variant is one machine using the openvz patch (but still the 'debian' way, suggested in the docs). keeps everything predictable. |
| 09:19.31 | SleekSlacker | greedy bastards |
| 09:19.54 | SleekSlacker | I pay about £9.50 p/m for a shitty 512 connection |
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| 09:20.23 | SleekSlacker | hi syazli7 |
| 09:20.51 | cast | i pay 50EUD for a 5500 con, in australia |
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| 09:21.00 | xingu | SleekSlacker: unfortunately your ringgit is competing is competing directly with ours and we have far deeper pockets |
| 09:21.03 | k-man__ | iSupaplex, hmm.. well, i'll give it a go and see how i go |
| 09:21.12 | k-man__ | iSupaplex, do you use the binary nvidia driver on any of those machines? |
| 09:21.16 | xingu | SleekSlacker: more profitable to sell us your bandwidth than sell it to your domestic internet users |
| 09:21.17 | iSupaplex | SleekSlacker: that's all? I pay $35usd/mo just for the isp (16 public ips, 13 useable), and $50ish for 7mbit dsl. |
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| 09:21.36 | iSupaplex | k-man__: yes. /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 09:21.42 | Penix | I was outraged by the $10 AUD price hike on my 1.5mb line |
| 09:21.45 | xingu | SleekSlacker: there are serious upgrades going on (largely on the back of our demand) but it'll take decades to get done. |
| 09:21.46 | iSupaplex | I stay away from nvidia.com :P |
| 09:21.51 | Penix | still a hell of a lot better than dialup though |
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| 09:22.18 | iSupaplex | dialup is tEh suck |
| 09:22.24 | cast | Penix: i was kind of pissed at the 10$ increase on my adsl too, but ahh well. guess all those asshats running bittorrent is catching up to us |
| 09:22.35 | iSupaplex | www.surfthe.us is my spare dialup |
| 09:23.06 | Penix | cast: yeah. can't eat the cake forever |
| 09:23.07 | utrrrongeeb | I'm trying to use a joystick with Etch -- sometimes GDM doesn't load and the system hangs when I boot it with the joystick plugged in. |
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| 09:23.33 | iSupaplex | utrrrongeeb: uh, plug it in on demand? :) |
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| 09:23.51 | iSupaplex | utrrrongeeb: there's gotta be a way for xorg to ignore that... |
| 09:23.51 | Penix | I'd still be using dialup (in my ~7-8th year) if I didn't force myself to finally hook up something faster |
| 09:24.01 | MangosDebian | cast: bah, you pay for XXgigs of bandwidth, you should GET XX gig's of bandwidth per month for any usage you deem worthy of your money |
| 09:24.05 | Penix | after years of no access to !dialup |
| 09:24.05 | tarzeau | !penixstrike Penix |
| 09:24.06 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Penix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 09:24.25 | MangosDebian | cast: if anything, lart on all ISP's who over commit their lines |
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| 09:24.31 | MangosDebian | ie: 100% of them |
| 09:24.35 | cast | MangosDebian: that is true. |
| 09:24.42 | iSupaplex | !penixstrike tEh telco |
| 09:24.42 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking tEh telco to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 09:24.49 | yos87 | Hi |
| 09:25.02 | xingu | Penix: .au seems to have a serious bout of second round inflatoin boiling up |
| 09:25.04 | utrrrongeeb | iSupaplex: When I plug it in, it doesn't always work. The GDM thing -- The screen turns black, flickers, turns black again, etc. |
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| 09:25.55 | Penix | xingu: yeah, the providers love that for an excuse too |
| 09:25.57 | GreaseMonkey | ☹ gnight ☹ |
| 09:26.01 | Penix | so I never know what to believe ;) |
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| 09:26.14 | iSupaplex | utrrrongeeb: does gdm do this w/o the joystick? does the joystick act like another input device when it works? maybe xorg needs it blacklisted... |
| 09:26.14 | yos872 | hi |
| 09:26.14 | xingu | Penix: should be ~easy-ish to talk your boss into giving you another $120/yr if you're working |
| 09:26.33 | Penix | xingu: really? where do you work? google? heh |
| 09:26.44 | iSupaplex | yos872: do you have a debian question? |
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| 09:27.09 | xingu | Penix: from what I read the oz job market is tighter than a fish's ring; it'd cost your boss about half your annual salary to replace you... |
| 09:27.26 | yos872 | I have question, in windows, I had alot of picture including metadata, when you right click any image, there is comment, I use to post comment there, how can I access those metadata from debian? and how to edit the tags for the new pix I'll take? |
| 09:27.27 | utrrrongeeb | iSupaplex: GDM normally turns the screen black, flickers, turns the screen grey and brings out the cursor, and then flickers in the login screen. A few times, the joystick would work. |
| 09:27.39 | yos872 | iSupaplex: yes, this one |
| 09:27.42 | xingu | Penix: hell, some of our boys emmigrated and are teleworking from oz now |
| 09:27.46 | yos872 | iSupaplex: Thankx for your care |
| 09:27.46 | tarzeau | yos872: apt-cache search exif |
| 09:27.54 | azeem | yos872: I don't think Windows stores the comments *inside* the pictures |
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| 09:28.04 | azeem | so no idea how to access it form Debian |
| 09:28.41 | iSupaplex | yos872: some of that data is stored in the filesystem, I think it's in an alternate 'ntfs fle stream' - but don't quote me on it. |
| 09:28.50 | yos872 | azeem: no, I think so, because when you edit, the size use to change, and the thumbs use to go and back |
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| 09:29.17 | Oush | Hello |
| 09:29.18 | Oush | :) |
| 09:29.37 | iSupaplex | utrrrongeeb: if xorg is using the joystick as in input device, research if there's a way to have xorg ignore it (for input) |
| 09:29.40 | Oush | hi iv installed debian but when i installed it |
| 09:29.53 | Oush | i unticked all the boxes when it aks me what enviroment id like to install |
| 09:30.00 | Oush | should i have ticked standard system? |
| 09:30.05 | iSupaplex | Oush: run tasksel |
| 09:30.20 | utrrrongeeb | iSupaplex: The joystick only works in games that supported. Everything else it does is undesirable (e.g. hanging on boot). |
| 09:30.21 | azeem | Oush: depends on what you want |
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| 09:31.14 | Oush | i just want a clean system so i can install what i want instead of having crap on |
| 09:31.24 | tarzeau | Oush: that was fine then |
| 09:31.33 | tarzeau | Oush: but standard isn't that bad, i usually also take that |
| 09:31.35 | xingu | cast: networks get cheaper to run as time passes; capital expenditure from initial buildout is usually completely written down by the 5th year leaving you with operational costs that are also a fraction of the costs during initial buildout; if a provider is doing the empty-pockets dance and also not boosting the access circuits (ie, only core and distribution upgrades) they're having a laugh at your expense |
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| 09:31.46 | teclo- | Hello, I'm still having problem fixing an unbootable machine |
| 09:31.57 | Penix | xingu: I work in a bottle shop (liquor store) in a 'regional' area. The industry's latest habits don't phase me :) |
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| 09:32.04 | iSupaplex | utrrrongeeb: do you know what driver it is? modinfo *might* give you some alternatives, but it sounds as if the hardware has a problem. Good luck finding a workaround. That's a toughie for me... |
| 09:32.04 | teclo- | I've just discovered that /dev is empty on the target machine |
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| 09:32.11 | teclo- | so when I do chroot /mnt/mymountpoint |
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| 09:32.16 | teclo- | there's just null in /dev |
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| 09:32.23 | teclo- | ... is that a problem I should worry about ? |
| 09:32.50 | Oush | how do i isntall gnome though? |
| 09:32.52 | utrrrongeeb | iSupaplex: I think 'joydev' is loaded automatically. Thanks for the info! |
| 09:32.55 | Oush | i need gui |
| 09:33.01 | iSupaplex | teclo-: vaguely sounds of udev not running. |
| 09:33.05 | Oush | apt-get gnome ? |
| 09:33.05 | tarzeau | Oush: apt-get install gnome x-window-system-core |
| 09:33.22 | MangosDebian | teclo-: mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/chroot/dev |
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| 09:33.33 | teclo- | MangosDebian: thank you |
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| 09:33.41 | Oush | will it install lots of crappy packages? |
| 09:33.46 | Oush | such as all the games and web browsers? |
| 09:33.48 | iSupaplex | teclo-: MangosDebian implies do to that before you chroot |
| 09:33.51 | tarzeau | Oush: yes if you ask me :) |
| 09:33.56 | Oush | i dont want them |
| 09:33.58 | tarzeau | Oush: you can remove them afterwards again |
| 09:34.02 | iSupaplex | !tell Oush -about gnome |
| 09:34.05 | Oush | i just want the gui! |
| 09:34.12 | Oush | is there anyway i can get the GUI |
| 09:34.13 | tarzeau | Oush: then try apt-cache show gnome |
| 09:34.16 | tarzeau | Oush: X ? |
| 09:34.16 | iSupaplex | Oush: see what dpkg told you just now. |
| 09:34.25 | tarzeau | Oush: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 09:34.27 | MangosDebian | teclo-: you prolly want at a min, /proc and maybe /sys bind mounted as well |
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| 09:34.52 | Oush | tarzeau |
| 09:35.05 | xingu | Penix: oh well, only one thing for it then - I think the term is "shrinkage" |
| 09:35.08 | MangosDebian | teclo-: and your chrooted /etc/mtab should be a sym link to /proc/mounts |
| 09:35.08 | Oush | that will install all the rubbish packaghes which i dont want |
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| 09:35.15 | iSupaplex | good luck everyone. my graymatter needs a recharge. |
| 09:35.16 | tarzeau | Oush: which? |
| 09:35.26 | iSupaplex | Oush: you don't pay attention very well, do you? |
| 09:35.28 | iSupaplex | !gnome |
| 09:35.29 | dpkg | gnome is, like, a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 09:35.36 | iSupaplex | !install gnome |
| 09:35.36 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 09:35.44 | iSupaplex | oh look "less stuff" |
| 09:36.01 | iSupaplex | enjoy |
| 09:36.21 | Oush | ok |
| 09:36.31 | Oush | so whats the command to install the bare minimum with gnome? |
| 09:36.53 | xand | apt-get install gnome-core? |
| 09:37.03 | SoulChild | Hi all |
| 09:37.18 | Oush | not apt-get install gnome x-window-system-core ? |
| 09:37.27 | Oush | whats the difference between does 2 versions? |
| 09:37.40 | SoulChild | Oush: gnome-core |
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| 09:37.50 | Oush | ok thanks |
| 09:37.50 | Oush | :) |
| 09:37.53 | Oush | brb toilet |
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| 09:38.10 | MangosDebian | thanks for sharing |
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| 09:38.14 | siimo | so the new apt-get / dpkg in Lenny/Sid now has reverse dependency tracking huh? :) |
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| 09:38.45 | tarzeau | siimo: you mean the builtin deborphan infos? |
| 09:39.15 | SoulChild | Oush: your command would install the Full gnome Desktop (a lot of applications) and the minimum of the xorg window system ,... maybe your could try: apt-get install gnome-core x-window-system-core |
| 09:39.20 | siimo | tarzeau: yeah i think.. like it tells me when i remove a pkg that packages x, y, z were installed as deps and are no longer required use apt-get remove to delete |
| 09:39.26 | tarzeau | siimo: it's nice :) |
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| 09:39.46 | siimo | aptitude had it i belive but i usually just use apt-get |
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| 09:39.58 | tarzeau | siimo: same here, aptitude is a memory/cpu killer |
| 09:40.04 | MangosDebian | siimo: like debfoster? |
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| 09:40.23 | xingu | siimo: very cool. |
| 09:40.24 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: sometimes software makes it too good |
| 09:40.31 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: that's why i prefer mm3d over blender |
| 09:40.33 | siimo | whats debfoster some bastardised version of deborphan ? |
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| 09:40.46 | tarzeau | siimo: debfoster can do a lot more |
| 09:40.53 | tarzeau | siimo: deborphan won't catch all (like perl modules) |
| 09:40.53 | MangosDebian | siimo: its different |
| 09:40.59 | siimo | oh ok |
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| 09:41.43 | xingu | tarzeau: heh, I just keep a cut/paste record of what's dragged in when I install new packages. :) |
| 09:41.48 | SoulChild | Oush: still there ? i just read that x-window-system-core is just a transitional packages for xorg ,... so gnome-core should do it |
| 09:41.49 | MangosDebian | siimo: debfoster more to do what you said, package X isnt depending on by anything, do you wish to Remove,Purge, etc |
| 09:41.55 | tarzeau | xingu: you're not serious, man? :) |
| 09:42.03 | xingu | tarzeau: yep; simple, robust. |
| 09:42.06 | tarzeau | xingu: that's the funniest thing i ever heard :)_ |
| 09:42.18 | Oush | ok |
| 09:42.22 | Oush | iv installed it now |
| 09:42.22 | siimo | xingu: haha thats dumb really.. just use aptitude or apt in lenny + |
| 09:42.24 | xingu | tarzeau: I've been shat on by software trying to outsmart me more times than I care to recollect |
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| 09:42.45 | Oush | and i found out the difference one was 350mb other was 900! so one was had less stuff on it :) |
| 09:42.50 | tarzeau | xingu: was that gnome or kde? fonts? |
| 09:42.56 | xingu | tarzeau: scope of works is - I want to reliably unpick an installation run; simplest solution is - keep a record outside the system. |
| 09:43.04 | Oush | how do i start the gui? Startx? |
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| 09:43.10 | tarzeau | xingu: that's true, but.. that effort i mean... |
| 09:43.18 | tarzeau | Oush: startx, yes |
| 09:43.20 | xingu | tarzeau: effort? cut, paste, save. |
| 09:43.23 | xingu | tarzeau: :) |
| 09:43.24 | Oush | i get this error |
| 09:43.27 | Oush | X: Cannot stat |
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| 09:43.42 | SoulChild | what is a good game for debian ? |
| 09:43.45 | SoulChild | RPG |
| 09:43.47 | siimo | easier to write a little wrapper around apt-get that will silently record it to some log file xingu |
| 09:43.49 | Oush | ./etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting |
| 09:43.53 | Oush | thats the error i get :S |
| 09:43.53 | tarzeau | xingu: i've got debian machines i work on all over.. i wouldn't want to do that, but i started a list of software i can't live without |
| 09:43.57 | MangosDebian | xingu: what are you doing with copy paste now? logging what you install? or all the files installed? |
| 09:44.03 | tarzeau | xingu: i mean screen, zsh, nethack, bc, lzma... |
| 09:44.05 | xingu | siimo: in sid, it already does... /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 09:44.15 | tarzeau | SoulChild: kq |
| 09:44.19 | tarzeau | SoulChild: best RPG! |
| 09:44.24 | Oush | X is not installed |
| 09:44.27 | Oush | how do i install x? |
| 09:44.27 | tarzeau | SoulChild: also try www.sauerbraten.org |
| 09:44.27 | xingu | tarzeau: yep, I did that too, but I did it as a --get-selections at known checkpoints |
| 09:44.32 | tarzeau | Oush: x-window-system-core |
| 09:44.33 | fungo | you guys know a network simulator better than packet tracer? |
| 09:44.43 | Oush | iv already done |
| 09:44.47 | Oush | apt-get install gnome .... |
| 09:44.52 | tarzeau | Oush: that's not x |
| 09:44.55 | xingu | tarzeau: pipe it into --set-selections straight after base, bickety bam, reproducable working sets. |
| 09:44.56 | Oush | ahhh ok |
| 09:44.58 | tarzeau | Oush: it's just gnome software |
| 09:45.06 | Oush | would doing the system-core |
| 09:45.08 | SoulChild | tarzeau: no thanks dude,... you already recommendet these to me ;) sauerbraten did not run (bad GraphicsCrad) |
| 09:45.08 | siimo | just installed tickless kernel on my laptop dunno if it helps yet ^^ |
| 09:45.14 | SoulChild | Oush: apt-get install xorg |
| 09:45.15 | Oush | install alod of crap software with it? |
| 09:45.15 | sebastian_ | I have an extra 500GB disk in my system, does it really need to be a "lost+found" folder on that drive? |
| 09:45.25 | tarzeau | xingu: i've got different needs on different workstations, and different archs, types of debian and archive uses... |
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| 09:45.40 | cast | lost+found might be just an extN thing is it? |
| 09:45.43 | tarzeau | xingu: won't work well. like when you run gnu/linux, gnu/kfreebsd, stable and unstable, and say amd64 versions that don't have all pkgs |
| 09:45.45 | MangosDebian | sebastian_: it has its uses |
| 09:45.50 | siimo | sebastian_: i think thats were files recovered from disk scans are put |
| 09:45.59 | MangosDebian | siimo: correct |
| 09:45.59 | xingu | tarzeau: yeah I recall; I tend to center up on a single workstation, and, possibly a farm of identikit systems |
| 09:46.00 | siimo | fsck or whatever |
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| 09:46.03 | sebastian_ | siimo, MangosDebian ok ^^ |
| 09:46.10 | xingu | tarzeau: courses, and horses for applies :) |
| 09:46.11 | sebastian_ | Guess i just let it be then |
| 09:46.13 | tarzeau | xingu: i have all my information at www.linuks.mine.nu at least |
| 09:46.21 | tarzeau | xingu: in some hidden subdirectories |
| 09:46.38 | cast | sebastian_: make it XFS then it wont have one :D [least, in my experience] |
| 09:46.43 | fungo | www.linuks.mine.nu/porn |
| 09:46.43 | fungo | ops |
| 09:46.59 | tarzeau | fungo: add a -get |
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| 09:47.02 | Oush | apt-get install x-window-system-core or apt-get install xorg ? Iv already done apt-get install gnome |
| 09:47.06 | Oush | so im rather confused |
| 09:47.13 | Oush | as people are telling me different stuff! |
| 09:47.14 | xingu | sebastian_: all ufslike filesystems have a lost+found; it's where recovered inodes that have no recoverable directory path or name go during fsck. |
| 09:47.14 | MangosDebian | cast: doesnt xfs have issues with non ups fs corruption on powerloss during writes? |
| 09:47.23 | Oush | i think apt-get xorg is better right? |
| 09:47.41 | sebastian_ | xingu, I have no idea what you just said.. but sure ;) |
| 09:47.51 | MangosDebian | cast: or rather waaaay more than serious compared to say ext2 |
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| 09:48.26 | siimo | im looking forward to ext4 entering into kernel whenever that will be |
| 09:48.35 | azeem | Oush: they are equivalent I think |
| 09:48.53 | xingu | sebastian_: if your running system image crashes after creating/updating a file's data but before updating its directory entry it's possible to have data on disk that has no pathname to attach it to. |
| 09:49.02 | Oush | ok azeem thanks |
| 09:49.08 | siimo | oh wikipedia says it already is |
| 09:49.08 | Oush | how do i install symbian package manager? |
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| 09:49.19 | azeem | you mean synaptic? |
| 09:49.20 | MangosDebian | siimo: anything fancy coming to ext4? or just performance and bigger fs support, ie: the usual |
| 09:49.22 | xingu | sebastian_: during filesystem check/ recovery, any ufs-like filesystem will reattach these data blobs in lost+found. |
| 09:49.51 | Oush | yeh synaotic |
| 09:49.51 | Oush | :P |
| 09:49.51 | MangosDebian | !ext4 |
| 09:49.51 | dpkg | i heard ext4 is a filesystem that is backward compatible with ext3, but also adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and added extent support. |
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| 09:49.51 | azeem | apt-get install synaptic |
| 09:49.51 | xingu | sebastian_: the alternative is deleting them |
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| 09:49.51 | Oush | thanks |
| 09:49.53 | MangosDebian | hmmm, sounds like ext3+lvm |
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| 09:50.33 | MangosDebian | let me guess, they broke easy resizing of extX fs's in lvm for an excuse to put them in ext4? *sigh* |
| 09:50.51 | Christoph_vW | are there any plans to update qemu to 0.9 in debian? |
| 09:50.53 | cast | MangosDebian: so they say. and i'm sure its reproducable. they say the same with reiserfs is possible too, and anything else that just journals metadata which is most modern filesystems it seems |
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| 09:51.11 | cast | MangosDebian: ive used reiserfs for years with zero issues, but i have a UPS and backups anyway :) |
| 09:51.11 | Christoph_vW | or do I have to build it myself? |
| 09:51.21 | siimo | MangosDebian: no idea but it has improvements over previous ext :P |
| 09:51.24 | Oush | thats weird |
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| 09:51.31 | TapouT | hey guys, can debian be installed from 1 floppy+network? |
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| 09:52.06 | tarzeau | TapouT: it can be installed with pxeboot/network |
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| 09:52.18 | xingu | Christoph_vW: "kvm" is derived from qemu 0.9.0... |
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| 09:52.58 | xingu | Christoph_vW: as is sid's qemu package for that matter |
| 09:53.07 | Oush | How do i install the auto-update feature which comes with debian? |
| 09:53.11 | Oush | or is that already installed? |
| 09:53.12 | xingu | Christoph_vW: possibly a simple backport is in order? |
| 09:53.41 | streuner | Oush: auto-upgrade packages? |
| 09:53.54 | Christoph_vW | I just found qemu 0.9 in unstable |
| 09:53.57 | fungo | you guys think that debian will keep the distribution up to date like etch is? i migrated some systems to debian, but i still have that fear |
| 09:54.09 | streuner | Oush: there is cron-apt, but its not clever to install packages without knowing... |
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| 09:54.17 | fungo | i remember old days, when debian was with 2.4.18 kernel and everything else was already using 2.6 |
| 09:54.23 | Oush | yeh |
| 09:54.27 | streuner | Oush: s/knowing/control/ |
| 09:54.31 | Oush | no no |
| 09:54.40 | Oush | the orange thing that pops up |
| 09:54.42 | Oush | saying |
| 09:54.43 | Christoph_vW | ah sid is unstable |
| 09:54.44 | dondelelcaro | fungo: unstable almost always is on the bleeding edge. The stable release just doesn't change. |
| 09:54.44 | MangosDebian | cast: my understanding was something to do with larger than usual memory caches or journals or something, thus power outage means more loss, trade off for the performance or something |
| 09:54.46 | Oush | you have updates to install |
| 09:54.52 | Oush | and it updates everything on your pc |
| 09:55.02 | dondelelcaro | fungo: if you're asking will we be attempting to release at about the same frequency, the answer is yes. |
| 09:55.03 | Oush | its an orange thing stays on the top right hand corner of your screen! |
| 09:55.26 | streuner | Oush: show us a screenshot or such |
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| 09:55.55 | MangosDebian | siimo: well, I am rather pleased that ext dev's always make them backword compatible with each other. But i would be curious if you can go from ext4->3->2 |
| 09:56.13 | cast | MangosDebian: mmm, maybe. it doesn't much concern me, with .5TB in dead drives from december sitting on my shelf, i worry most about the HDs, and least about the FS, but like i said. backups :D |
| 09:56.26 | fungo | dondelelcaro yeah, that's what i'm really asking, thanks |
| 09:56.28 | Oush | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/update-manager |
| 09:56.30 | Oush | i think i mean that |
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| 09:57.07 | teclo- | still problems |
| 09:57.12 | teclo- | still "Error 15: file not found" in grub |
| 09:57.16 | Oush | http://www.ubuntugeek.com/images/upgrade/4.png |
| 09:57.19 | teclo- | what did you say I had to do with /dev ? |
| 09:57.19 | Oush | there it is! |
| 09:57.24 | teclo- | mount --dev something /mytarget |
| 09:57.28 | MangosDebian | cast: well, the fs loss I was speaking of wasnt so much existing data, but data being written to. ie: power loss could loose the last 128mb or so of that file you were saving kinda probs. of course all that stuff is tunable, so would be case dependant |
| 09:57.44 | teclo- | ...or uhhh ? |
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| 09:58.02 | MangosDebian | teclo-: --bind |
| 09:58.17 | teclo- | mount --bind /dev /target/dev ? |
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| 09:58.22 | MangosDebian | that looks ok |
| 09:58.34 | Oush | http://www.ubuntugeek.com/images/upgrade/4.png |
| 09:58.35 | MangosDebian | teclo-: I also suggested you do the same for at least /proc |
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| 09:59.21 | streuner | Oush: ok, its new to me, i just prefer "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade", if needed, apt-get install <package> (but whatever) |
| 09:59.40 | Oush | apt-get upgrade will do the whole system? |
| 09:59.55 | MangosDebian | cast: you ever tried jfs though? the one from ibm? if not, dont! lol, i found out the hard way about resize issues and link problems |
| 10:00.15 | DawnLight | how do i get host names to work in my network? do i need a nameserver? |
| 10:00.23 | streuner | Oush: basically its upgrades all NEW packages in every releases (stable with security fixes), yes |
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| 10:00.36 | Oush | ahh ok |
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| 10:00.41 | Oush | but i prefer the gui version |
| 10:00.49 | streuner | *shrug* |
| 10:00.51 | Oush | as i forget lol and that just pops up and tells u! :P |
| 10:00.53 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: for other machines? thats the easiest. or you could maintain a /etc/hosts file on each machine if its small static list |
| 10:00.56 | Oush | any idea how i can install that? |
| 10:01.15 | DawnLight | MangosDebian: nice! i'll do that! thanks! |
| 10:01.16 | streuner | Oush: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 10:01.26 | cast | MangosDebian: hmm, i have not. it looked good CPU usage wise, but not enough to compell me to use what still seems an 'exotic' fs |
| 10:02.05 | Oush | thanks i got it thought |
| 10:02.09 | Oush | apt-get install update-manager |
| 10:02.10 | Oush | :) |
| 10:02.16 | uucp | scr- |
| 10:02.21 | streuner | !info update-manager |
| 10:02.27 | MangosDebian | cast: ya, I had issues with putting fancy mirror of debian on it once due to the way all the links were made. seems more like when you dont need lot of meta data overhead and just wan a crap load of simple files saved. Maybe for a db perhaps |
| 10:02.46 | Oush | im off for breakfest |
| 10:02.49 | Oush | thanks alot lads |
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| 10:02.51 | dpkg | update-manager: (GNOME application that manages software updates), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.42.2ubuntu22-15 (sid), Packaged size: 325 kB, Installed size: 1028 kB |
| 10:02.54 | Oush | thanks for all the help |
| 10:02.57 | streuner | np |
| 10:03.01 | MangosDebian | Oush: 2 eggs, sunnside up plz |
| 10:03.03 | Oush | lol |
| 10:03.18 | streuner | !tell dhakate1 about root |
| 10:03.29 | streuner | dhakate1: just login as "user" |
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| 10:04.11 | xingu | MangosDebian: I'm waiting for the unionfs boys to figure out what they need in vfs-land - I'm looking forward to a robust raif-like design, with no layering violations |
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| 10:05.07 | xingu | MangosDebian: then we can stop pissing about worrying how to dimension block devices for given vfs use-cases |
| 10:05.34 | MangosDebian | raif like? |
| 10:05.47 | MangosDebian | !listvalues raif |
| 10:05.49 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'raif' by value returned no results. |
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| 10:06.58 | xingu | MangosDebian: http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0612.1/1666.html |
| 10:07.03 | MangosDebian | xingu: I do rather like who lvm works for managing all that stuff though. Might add an extra layer, but todays machines are that much faster as to negate it |
| 10:07.42 | MangosDebian | ahh |
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| 10:08.23 | MangosDebian | !raif is Redundant Array of Independent Filesystems |
| 10:08.23 | dpkg | okay, MangosDebian |
| 10:08.59 | xingu | MangosDebian: failing that, it'd be nice if someone picked up andy valencia's work in VSTa; there, the vfs is conceptually part of libc |
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| 10:09.11 | MangosDebian | !raif is also See http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0612.1/1666.html |
| 10:09.11 | dpkg | okay, MangosDebian |
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| 10:09.51 | xingu | MangosDebian: if you stop and think about it, the only thing that needs to know about filenames and paths and path separators is the libc itself - it's a pure directory service and it may as well live in userspace, doling out address pointers to persistent store in response to name lookup events. |
| 10:09.56 | MangosDebian | xingu: the vfs in userspace? |
| 10:10.20 | xingu | MangosDebian: that single concept simplifies what you're doing /in the persistent storage manager/ drastically. |
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| 10:10.38 | sebastian_ | Does anyone know if its possible to turn of the "rotate cubecap" in compiz |
| 10:10.50 | sebastian_ | I know that it was possible in beryl.. |
| 10:10.50 | MangosDebian | seems like a performance impact to move that to userspace though |
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| 10:11.11 | xingu | MangosDebian: on the contrary, it's a performance optimisation; vfs runs as a thread, and avoids context switches on path lookups. |
| 10:11.15 | MangosDebian | your adding extra layers |
| 10:11.45 | xingu | MangosDebian: it actually /strips/ the kernel/userspace barrier traversal that is required each and every time you take a trip through stdio |
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| 10:12.21 | xingu | MangosDebian: it also opens up other amusing concepts - like per-process vfscache. |
| 10:12.41 | logd | hi someone knows if ati proprietary drivers are mandatory to enable tv-out feature of radeon cards ? or there another way ? |
| 10:12.49 | MangosDebian | xingu: well, I guess the fs dev's know best on that one. Not much into the kernel myself. Although it sounds like your abstracting the fs similar way to pam or nsswitch |
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| 10:13.42 | xingu | MangosDebian: I'm a patient guy, I can wait; but when you're talking about new ideas in persistent store, lets really talk about new ideas, and not rehashes of stdio and ufs eh? :) |
| 10:14.43 | Christoph_vW | does someone have an idea why gdb can't read object file images? |
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| 10:15.06 | xingu | do they have debugging symbols? are they elf images? |
| 10:15.25 | MangosDebian | xingu: new ideas are fine, but what I feel is more important is that all the different's fs's work togethere and can be layered anyway you see fit for your needs. each setup has its own issues and implementations should be picked according to those needs |
| 10:15.36 | xingu | what does objdump think about the object? |
| 10:15.45 | Christoph_vW | xingu: yes, elf - build with gcc 4.1.2 |
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| 10:16.00 | Christoph_vW | *4.1.1 |
| 10:16.05 | xingu | Christoph_vW: is it for the same arch as your gdb? no i386/amd64 confusion? |
| 10:16.14 | Christoph_vW | both i386 |
| 10:16.19 | xingu | Christoph_vW: and are all the linked libraries available? ldd fooobject |
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| 10:18.40 | TapouT | how is debian+wireless nics? I'm thinking of installing debian with a wireless nic in my basement |
| 10:20.10 | clsoX | hellow |
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| 10:21.00 | MangosDebian | TapouT: purchase a nic that has the best linux reviews if you havent already. but i still recommend spending $100 on wire, crimpers, and mounting plates and running cat5e+ |
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| 10:22.04 | xingu | TapouT: 802.11a/g has their limits wrt coverage |
| 10:22.21 | xingu | TapouT: the newer ethernet-over-powerline stuff works remarkably well... |
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| 10:22.31 | MangosDebian | nothing like irradiating yourself with more radio waves :) |
| 10:23.09 | xingu | TapouT: if the accesspoint is on a different floor you probably want mimo 802.11n and I don't know where the linux support for the corresponding wlan chipsets is at for that personally |
| 10:23.29 | MangosDebian | xingu: doesnt eop stuff require a newer breaker panel with circuits in place to limit outgoing leakage though? |
| 10:23.36 | xingu | TapouT: with that in mind, my own in-flat 802.11g stuff works as you'd want; gnome-network-manager can help bootstrap... |
| 10:24.30 | xingu | MangosDebian: unsure, I guess that's a cc-specific domestic issue? I doubt it'd survive past the street transformer in any case? |
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| 10:25.33 | MangosDebian | xingu: well probably true, until the hydro company upgrades all their equipement to allow such propagation if they cant detect it already. i think we would both be surprised how sensitive their monitoring equipment can be without us knowing |
| 10:26.12 | xingu | what I do know about the powerline stuff is that it apparently works across rcd's and delivers 802.3u equivalent speeds |
| 10:26.48 | xingu | if it's sold domestically I'd warrant that it's not going to upset the local utility |
| 10:27.32 | MangosDebian | would be nice to be able to send files in your buildings without need for running more wires though |
| 10:27.43 | xingu | several folk at work are using it to reticulate ethernet to places not worth wiring up; one of them is using it to feed and power and outdoor accesspoint from their garden shed |
| 10:28.23 | MangosDebian | thats kinda neat use for it |
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| 10:28.41 | xingu | I thought so too. :) |
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| 10:29.00 | xingu | he didn't fancy drilling holes in his jacobian cottage just to run cat5, and I don't blame him |
| 10:29.14 | MangosDebian | of course wireless anything is strictly forbidden by my rules, but thats just me |
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| 10:29.39 | juice` | where can i find site with all versions of previous packages? |
| 10:29.52 | cast | archive.debian.org |
| 10:29.54 | MangosDebian | well, for a cottage, that seems fine i suppose. but wifi in rural is just asking for trouble |
| 10:30.18 | cast | [for previous releases, anyway] |
| 10:30.23 | juice` | i don't mean for previous version of debian |
| 10:30.30 | juice` | i mean EVERY version of EVERY package |
| 10:30.35 | subx | when i start my system it says: Not starting internet superserver: no services enabled. anyone know what this means? google isnt much help |
| 10:30.39 | juice` | there was a site like that, i'm sure about that |
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| 10:30.50 | juice` | dpkg knows it, but i'm not sure how to ask it. |
| 10:30.59 | juice` | i mean dpkg from this channel |
| 10:31.04 | wols_ | juice`: http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 10:31.07 | logd | hi someone knows how to enable tv-out within a radeon card ? |
| 10:31.08 | juice` | ahh, thanks! |
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| 10:31.21 | wols_ | logd: what driver? |
| 10:31.28 | wols_ | tried GATOS? |
| 10:31.32 | juice` | i'm pretty sure there is a bug in latest debian release of apache2.2 |
| 10:31.33 | Securi | How do i install my graphic card driver byt he way? |
| 10:31.39 | Securi | its NV |
| 10:31.40 | Securi | 13 |
| 10:31.45 | wols_ | Securi: depends on your videochip |
| 10:31.48 | Securi | but i forgot how to bring up the application that does it |
| 10:31.51 | Securi | its Nvidia |
| 10:31.54 | Securi | isnt it serverx or somethign? |
| 10:32.05 | wols_ | !tell Securi about drxx |
| 10:32.40 | logd | i'm using the one built in in xorg 7.1 called "ati" 'cause failed compiling ati prop driver - the card is radeon 9250 |
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| 10:33.17 | xingu | logd: giyf: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_TV-Out |
| 10:33.33 | wols_ | logd: that's the only driver available for your card. fglrx won't work |
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| 10:34.05 | logd | wols_, ok then. but i need tv-out feature :( |
| 10:34.29 | metbsd | is it true that all of you hate windows? |
| 10:34.44 | subx | yes |
| 10:35.05 | simonrvn | i have 7 windows open |
| 10:35.21 | simonrvn | 4 uxterm, 2 galeon, 1 emacs |
| 10:35.25 | MangosDebian | metbsd: you really seem to be a problem user in this channel the last few days you know that? |
| 10:35.39 | metbsd | no i don't |
| 10:35.53 | metbsd | what did i do? |
| 10:36.07 | metbsd | what did i do to you |
| 10:36.11 | simonrvn | windows let the sunlight in |
| 10:36.18 | siimo | ppl still use galeon? |
| 10:36.19 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: :) |
| 10:36.21 | subx | ive installed fluxbox + amsn + iceweasel and this is how much space my root partition takes up: |
| 10:36.22 | wols_ | metbsd: being a gneral nuisance to the channel |
| 10:36.24 | subx | /dev/hda1 9.9G 730M 8.7G 8% / |
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| 10:36.26 | metbsd | oh i pronounced "windows" |
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| 10:36.32 | MangosDebian | wols_: ty |
| 10:36.33 | metbsd | i meant winblows |
| 10:36.47 | simonrvn | oooh |
| 10:36.49 | metbsd | easy easy, it's saturday |
| 10:36.50 | simonrvn | :P |
| 10:37.00 | gordboy | actually this is a cray fortran channel. we don't like debian linux much either |
| 10:37.18 | subx | gordboy: stop trolling |
| 10:37.38 | wols_ | gordboy: that's normal. software just sucks |
| 10:39.02 | gordboy | subx: ever heard of sarcasm ? no, i thought not |
| 10:39.09 | logd | so how do i make tvout work with xorg 7.1 ? |
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| 10:40.55 | MangosDebian | logd: always thought that there was an x config setting to enable it for my ati card, but I never actually used it. Might be a good starting point (ie: find all ati xconfig options for your driver your using) |
| 10:41.10 | MangosDebian | give you something to google at least |
| 10:41.40 | metbsd | how is debian today |
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| 10:42.05 | metbsd | anything i should know about debian/#debian today? |
| 10:42.11 | metbsd | i'm an active debian user |
| 10:42.44 | metbsd | :D |
| 10:43.20 | azeem | metbsd: nothing if you run stable or testing |
| 10:43.26 | azeem | (usually) |
| 10:43.41 | metbsd | verygood |
| 10:44.42 | solitude | heh, i still have metbsd on ignore |
| 10:44.57 | azeem | solitude: no need to mention that |
| 10:45.04 | solitude | yes dear. |
| 10:45.09 | metbsd | i dont expect everyone to like and accept me |
| 10:45.12 | xand | no need to do many things |
| 10:45.12 | MangosDebian | solitude: you should feel lucky. our poor ops dont have that option |
| 10:45.20 | solitude | :( |
| 10:45.23 | solitude | poor guys |
| 10:45.24 | metbsd | haha |
| 10:45.32 | metbsd | what did i do really |
| 10:45.48 | metbsd | wols_, how are you |
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| 10:46.02 | solitude | no idea how many of youhave seen this already, but http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/14/043200&from=rss is scary |
| 10:46.07 | MangosDebian | azeem: and you should know better than to feed the trolls ;) |
| 10:46.32 | metbsd | i've no debian question today, so please relax everybody |
| 10:47.08 | solitude | hmm, note dpkg-reconfigure can do weird things to xorg. |
| 10:47.20 | solitude | remember the problem i had last night? |
| 10:47.41 | gordboy | metbsd: i joked about it earlier, but you are pushing your luck now. you did the same thing in ##linux : oscillating between minor irritant and major headache |
| 10:48.02 | solitude | i ended up deleting xorg.conf, then writing a new one from scratch, based loosely on my slack one |
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| 10:48.16 | metbsd | sorry, did i cause you guys trouble? |
| 10:48.28 | metbsd | well 1. i'm a debian user |
| 10:48.32 | MangosDebian | solitude: you just cant beat a hand tweaked config these days |
| 10:48.40 | solitude | MangosDebian, sadly true |
| 10:48.47 | metbsd | i have like 20 boxes running 4.0 etch, with customized kernel 2.6.10rc3 though |
| 10:49.05 | metbsd | 2. i'm here for help about those debian boxes |
| 10:49.08 | solitude | the problem was: it worked fine boot, but when switching from vterm to xterm and back |
| 10:49.12 | azeem | metbsd: so ask your questions |
| 10:49.21 | solitude | xorg kept trying to use refresh rates and resolutions out of range |
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| 10:49.28 | solitude | ie, i get a black screen |
| 10:49.31 | gordboy | solitude: your xorg.conf is more valuable than your passport. keep it strapped to your waist at all times, at least for the life of your graphics card |
| 10:49.33 | metbsd | if i have no question, can i talk to those who helped me as normal friends? |
| 10:49.41 | solitude | ;) |
| 10:49.45 | solitude | the guided xorg configuration was USELESS, borked the whole thing |
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| 10:49.51 | metbsd | is this a friendly channel? |
| 10:49.53 | solitude | had to do it lal by hand ... |
| 10:50.00 | solitude | all * it takes me back to my slackware 4 days ;) |
| 10:50.10 | azeem | metbsd: this is a support channel, not a general conversation channel, use #debian-offtopic for that |
| 10:50.11 | solitude | good thing i learned the hard way first ^^ |
| 10:50.27 | MangosDebian | solitude: slack was my first love actually |
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| 10:50.37 | securi | any ideas why my debian is not opening .tar.bz2? |
| 10:50.38 | solitude | Slack still is mine |
| 10:50.41 | solitude | i hate debian |
| 10:50.46 | metbsd | but i want to talk to those who helped me, like, wols_ azeem amphi ... |
| 10:50.48 | solitude | I Love slack, but use debian. |
| 10:50.52 | securi | iv already done apt-get install bzip2 |
| 10:50.53 | securi | :) |
| 10:50.55 | azeem | metbsd: not here |
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| 10:51.10 | MangosDebian | solitude: slack would be more if i wanted a chroot or something very finely tuned, yet a step above LFS |
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| 10:51.25 | solitude | MangosDebian, or something that just works :p |
| 10:51.33 | solitude | debian tries to do too much stuff with automagic |
| 10:51.40 | solitude | which leads to odd situations |
| 10:51.51 | solitude | its great when it works, but that isnt always the case |
| 10:51.55 | solitude | btw, has anyone got a working mirror for debian 3.0 ? |
| 10:51.58 | gordboy | securi: have you installed tar ? and are you using xjf to "unzip" the .tar.bz2 files ? |
| 10:52.06 | solitude | I need a release with a 2.4 kernel |
| 10:52.16 | MangosDebian | solitude: lots of distros can just work for certain tasks. distros with good depency checks and a stable system tend to be less of a hassle though imho |
| 10:52.16 | azeem | solitude: most mirrors have it as `oldstable' still I think |
| 10:52.18 | securi | iv installed .tar |
| 10:52.23 | securi | im just double clicking on the file |
| 10:52.23 | securi | :) |
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| 10:52.27 | securi | and its like not working lol |
| 10:52.40 | gordboy | securi: tar xjf yourfile.tar.bz2 |
| 10:52.50 | solitude | MangosDebian, slack does both perfectly. |
| 10:52.57 | solitude | it lets me run konsole with very few dependencies! |
| 10:53.01 | solitude | i just ignore the ones i dont want >:D |
| 10:53.19 | MangosDebian | slack still use tgz's? |
| 10:53.23 | solitude | yup! |
| 10:53.34 | azeem | slackware is off-topic here |
| 10:53.37 | MangosDebian | its the simple things in life.... |
| 10:54.14 | MangosDebian | azeem: gray area, sorry. was part of an on topic thread ;) |
| 10:54.19 | securi | thanks gordboy |
| 10:54.22 | securi | and how do i zip a file? |
| 10:54.34 | solitude | azeem, i cant find the netinst iso on any of the mirrors :( |
| 10:54.40 | solitude | would you mind taking a look please? |
| 10:54.43 | azeem | solitude: you didn't ask that |
| 10:54.47 | gordboy | securi: zip, or unzip ? |
| 10:54.47 | solitude | oh |
| 10:54.50 | securi | zip |
| 10:54.50 | securi | :) |
| 10:54.54 | securi | as .tar.bz2 |
| 10:54.57 | solitude | i need the netinst iso for debian 3.0 x86 |
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| 10:55.00 | gordboy | ah |
| 10:55.11 | azeem | they're on cdimage.d.o, but well hidden I think |
| 10:55.23 | solitude | heh |
| 10:55.35 | solitude | i cant find them, any chance you can point me the right way? |
| 10:55.36 | gordboy | securi: tar cjf yourfile.tar.bz2 /yourdir |
| 10:55.36 | MangosDebian | securi: thats typically refered to as tar'ing or compressing rather than zip which tends to be confused with specically, pkzip/zip format |
| 10:55.54 | securi | ok thank you :) |
| 10:55.55 | azeem | solitude: uh, 3.0? |
| 10:55.59 | solitude | yup |
| 10:55.59 | securi | Unzip: tar xjf yourfile.tar.bz2 |
| 10:55.59 | securi | Zip: tar cjf yourfile.tar.bz2 /yourdir |
| 10:56.01 | azeem | solitude: I misread |
| 10:56.02 | solitude | i need a 2.4 kernel |
| 10:56.03 | yangvnc | I am having a problem starting computer with cryptographic volume, I get error: cryptsetup failed COmmand failed: device allready exists - maximum number of tries exceeded (however I am entering the right password) |
| 10:56.04 | securi | thats corect yes? |
| 10:56.07 | securi | Im just making notes |
| 10:56.09 | securi | so i dont ask the same thing |
| 10:56.11 | azeem | solitude: 3.1 has a 2.4 kernel as well |
| 10:56.14 | securi | over and over again :) |
| 10:56.21 | solitude | 3.1r6 has a 2.6 doesnt it? |
| 10:56.22 | dhakate1 | does any one have idea about bash complete command |
| 10:56.28 | azeem | solitude: it has both |
| 10:56.28 | gordboy | securi: yes that's right. man tar is good too. saves you writing out all those notes |
| 10:56.45 | dhakate1 | I can't fix this http://rafb.net/p/3ZW8z269.html |
| 10:57.01 | solitude | azeem, on the netinst? thanks |
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| 10:57.39 | securi | Thats weird |
| 10:57.44 | philippe_ | hi all |
| 10:57.55 | securi | i just made the .tar.bz2 file and when i click and drop it in the theme box |
| 10:57.58 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: sounds like its not a bad password so much as the device its trying to loop is already taken. perhaps your using wrong cmdline to boot? |
| 10:58.00 | securi | it says file format is invalid :S |
| 10:58.01 | securi | wtf? |
| 10:58.03 | solitude | The requested URL /debian/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso :( |
| 10:58.16 | philippe_ | I have found a problem with etch install |
| 10:58.20 | solitude | !archive |
| 10:58.21 | dpkg | well, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 10:58.36 | azeem | solitude: http://ftp.hosteurope.de/mirror/ftp.debian.org/debian-cd/project/build/3.1_r5/ for example |
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| 10:58.49 | azeem | uh, no |
| 10:58.52 | azeem | doesn't have it |
| 10:58.59 | securi | any idea anyone? |
| 10:58.59 | philippe_ | installing all on lvm2 result in an unbootable system |
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| 10:59.07 | philippe_ | is it a know issue ? |
| 10:59.11 | solitude | dead link azeem http://ftp.hosteurope.de/mirror/ftp.debian.org/debian-cd/project/build/3.1_r5/i386 |
| 10:59.17 | MangosDebian | philippe_: wheres your /boot? |
| 10:59.22 | philippe_ | lvm2 |
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| 10:59.28 | MangosDebian | thats why |
| 10:59.30 | khermans | how can i add sources from apt.sources.d/* to unattended-upgrades ? |
| 10:59.35 | khermans | where is this documented? |
| 10:59.36 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: it was booting properly, but I have powered off the computer a few times without "halting it" properly |
| 10:59.41 | comsa | google bash complete command |
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| 10:59.56 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: now all I can get is (initramfs) |
| 11:00.05 | azeem | solitude: yep, seems they're gone form the master host |
| 11:00.13 | Muisje | howto make symlink again> |
| 11:00.16 | solitude | how unfortunate |
| 11:00.16 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: it cannot mount on properly anymore |
| 11:00.23 | philippe_ | MangosDebian: it's supposed to work with lilo isn't it ? |
| 11:00.28 | solitude | since i have hardware that seems toneed 2.4 rather than 2.4 |
| 11:00.32 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: well, possible its the fs thats corrupted, could always use the debian install cd and mount it and fsck it |
| 11:00.42 | iSupaplex | Muisje: man ln |
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| 11:00.50 | xjih78 | hi everybody |
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| 11:01.08 | xjih78 | after a restart i cannot change keymap except as root. also i cannot use mod4 (winkey) + any key combination on fluxbox. |
| 11:01.17 | xjih78 | or actually in any window manager |
| 11:01.20 | xjih78 | it's odd |
| 11:01.23 | disposable | i've intel GMA3000 graphics card (946gz chipset) and i'm trying to get 1440x900 resolution out of it. 915resolution doesn't seem to help (supports chipsets up to 945gm), xorg.conf doesn't react to my changes. any hints? |
| 11:01.24 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: yes...but this laptop doesnt have an external/internal CD-rom, can I boot the kernel over tftp and do fsck then? |
| 11:01.47 | MangosDebian | philippe_: not sure if lilo supports booting from lvm. but /boot typically is its own partition, small like 32mb-128mb |
| 11:01.53 | fdaf | how often do you fuck |
| 11:01.56 | fdaf | i mean fsck |
| 11:02.03 | iSupaplex | yangvnc: if you have a pxe server setup, yes |
| 11:02.19 | philippe_ | it's waht i do after |
| 11:02.24 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: you could probably do that fine, so long as you have a shell with the tools to mount crypted loops |
| 11:02.27 | jakub_ | aloha |
| 11:02.43 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: iSupaplex Yes over PXE is what I ment...but does a "lifiimage" allready contains the fsck tool? |
| 11:03.05 | solitude | unsurprisingly, the torrents are dead |
| 11:03.22 | philippe_ | but lilo is supposed to work with lvm |
| 11:03.40 | iSupaplex | yangvnc: you might want to look at how debian live pulls it off |
| 11:03.41 | philippe_ | hum |
| 11:03.42 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: having fsck tool isnt enough, you also need crytptsetup and its libs and dmsetup etc |
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| 11:04.09 | philippe_ | ok it's on debian bug for lilo |
| 11:04.21 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: you need to basically run a cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/XXXXX myhd, then fsck /dev/mapper/myhd |
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| 11:05.40 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: sounds complicated.... |
| 11:05.48 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: it still doesnt sound like a fs issue to me though. "device already exists" has nothing to do with a corrupt fs |
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| 11:06.01 | solitude | AHA |
| 11:06.02 | iSupaplex | cryptfs isn't exactly a walk in the park :) |
| 11:06.08 | solitude | in case anyone else needs it, http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r5/i386/iso-cd/ appears to work |
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| 11:06.27 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: you know my motherboard->hard drive seems a bit broken, I get many times errors in dmesg about disk timing out |
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| 11:07.32 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: it could be that the drive is timing out and therefore it cant properly mount |
| 11:07.47 | iSupaplex | yangvnc: any media read errors, or is it dma? |
| 11:08.17 | yangvnc | iSupaplex: i think its dma...fifoport errors and things like that |
| 11:08.19 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: still seems unlikely that a random timeout always happens at the same exact time each boot |
| 11:09.12 | iSupaplex | yangvnc: one of my machines that bootfs from CF does that. despite forcing the bios to use pio, and using ide=nodma on boot. |
| 11:09.22 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: so better than trying to netboot, would be putting a drive into the PC and then using debian LiveCD with all those tools? |
| 11:09.23 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: something must have changed for the device name to already be in use though. either your initrd is altered or your grub cmdline changed |
| 11:09.26 | iSupaplex | s/bootfs/boots/ |
| 11:10.22 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: well, i havent used live cd specifically so I cant comment on it, but any install cd is capable, just a tad tricky since you need to load the udeb with the crypt tools on it first |
| 11:10.51 | MangosDebian | crypto is "unsupported" in debian cd rescue mode |
| 11:10.53 | gordboy | securi: are we talking gnome themes ? |
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| 11:11.35 | MangosDebian | that reminds me, anyone know how big the luks header is by chance? |
| 11:12.29 | solitude | although, it it doesnt work after this, its just a problem with the debian-installer. :S |
| 11:12.33 | MangosDebian | solitude: anything that takes the attn away from canada ;) |
| 11:12.36 | solitude | haha |
| 11:12.57 | solitude | If this fails, im going to go back to bsd. Ive NEVER spent 8 days on 1 machine before,. |
| 11:14.18 | yangvnc | iSupaplex: in grub...I write ide=nodma after kernel string and initrd string or? |
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| 11:16.37 | die7 | hi |
| 11:18.05 | MangosDebian | !crypto rescue is <reply> To use debian etch cd's to troubleshoot a luks filesystem, try this: Boot a debian cd in rescue mode, switch to vt2 (alt-f2), anna-install partman-crypto-dm ; depmod -a ; modprobe aes ; cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/hda5 hda5_crypt ; vgscan ; <perform needed tasks> ; cryptsetup luksClose hda5_crypt ; See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 11:18.06 | dpkg | okay, MangosDebian |
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| 11:18.33 | die7 | Openswan for debian Howto plz |
| 11:18.35 | MangosDebian | arguably, modprobe aes is useless command with etch cd's |
| 11:18.46 | yangvnc | iSupaplex: i get these errors hda:DMA timeout error dma_timer_expiry dma status = 0x21 |
| 11:18.54 | solitude | [12:15:41] <lava> i know formatting a drive is pretty basic, but is there a better prog out there than the standard windows formatting? |
| 11:18.54 | solitude | [12:16:32] <lava> just format a drive lol, but i dunno i felt like using something other than right click > format |
| 11:19.02 | MangosDebian | the wiki seems to be missing a vgscan though from my experiences |
| 11:19.03 | solitude | People.are.retarded. |
| 11:19.18 | solitude | it never amazes me what depths of stupidity i see on irc eac day |
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| 11:20.15 | MangosDebian | solitude: give them something hard, they complain. give them something easy,they want something harder... |
| 11:20.36 | Noborusan | good evening,guys |
| 11:20.49 | Christoph_vW | btw. can I swap the mainboard in a linux machine without having to reinstall? |
| 11:20.50 | MangosDebian | !luks rescue is <reply> see crypto rescue |
| 11:20.50 | dpkg | MangosDebian: okay |
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| 11:21.19 | MangosDebian | Christoph_vW: depends, but generally i would say your fine |
| 11:21.20 | wols_ | Christoph_vW: yes |
| 11:21.20 | Christoph_vW | both with intel chipsets (ICH6R->ICH8R) |
| 11:21.21 | azeem | MangosDebian: eh, isn't luks more than crypto rescue? |
| 11:21.27 | Christoph_vW | great |
| 11:21.44 | MangosDebian | Christoph_vW: the exception being if you have a kernel specifically built without modules for that old exact hardware |
| 11:21.46 | simonrvn | of course, though the kernel might have issues, if you have a roll-your-own kernel. debian kernel very likely no issues |
| 11:21.55 | simonrvn | oh, np then |
| 11:22.03 | solitude | MangosDebian, pretty much. :S |
| 11:22.38 | MangosDebian | azeem: i suppose. more just a factoid to spit out at people who ask. feel free to rename it ;) |
| 11:23.15 | azeem | MangosDebian: did you check that the luks factoid was empty or useless before you overwrote it? |
| 11:23.31 | MangosDebian | azeem: if anything I should add a dd command to backup your luks header ala truecrypt header backup, since without the header your fubard |
| 11:23.46 | solitude | why does debian still have /opt ? |
| 11:23.46 | MangosDebian | azeem: that wasnt an overwrite operation |
| 11:23.57 | azeem | MangosDebian: ah, ok |
| 11:24.02 | azeem | nevermind then |
| 11:24.17 | azeem | solitude: because it's mentioned in the FHS, most likely |
| 11:24.21 | MangosDebian | azeem: dpkg doesnt overwrite without specifically using !no, foobar is .... |
| 11:24.27 | solitude | azeem, fhs? |
| 11:24.28 | khermans | is there an equivalent to "yum provides file.h" using apt ? |
| 11:24.32 | azeem | !fhs |
| 11:24.32 | dpkg | i heard fhs is Unlike Gobolinux or OS X, Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the debian-policy package |
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| 11:24.49 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: I get errors like: Command failed: Device busy and Command failed: Device allready exists |
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| 11:25.41 | simonrvn | khermans: er? maybe dpkg -L <packagename> or dpkg -S somefilename? |
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| 11:26.12 | romano2k | hi everyone, i'm having a problem with dhcp3-server during an aptitude upgrade |
| 11:26.14 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: might just be a dying hd then. hard to say unless i could play with it myself. but if you can let it timeout and drop to the initrd shell and poke around and try manually mount it or look at your /dev, you may gain some insight |
| 11:26.36 | khermans | simonrvn, nope |
| 11:26.43 | khermans | simonrvn, thats only valid for installed packages |
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| 11:26.58 | romano2k | http://pastebin.ca/619017 |
| 11:27.11 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: perhaps try use a hard drive testing boot cd and see if the drive is reading fine so you can eliminate that from your list of checks |
| 11:27.27 | simonrvn | khermans: apt-file, the dpkg bot, PDO |
| 11:27.38 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: drive is brand new...the errors must be in the rest of the laptop |
| 11:27.45 | simonrvn | bots' in here btw |
| 11:27.46 | azeem | romano2k: which version of Debian? |
| 11:27.48 | simonrvn | bot's* |
| 11:27.52 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: and for future reference, may I suggest avoiding installing an OS that you can boot standard cd's on to troubleshoot :) |
| 11:27.59 | romano2k | azeem, testing |
| 11:28.03 | MangosDebian | err s/OS/hardware/ |
| 11:28.11 | azeem | romano2k: what does "dpkg -l mktemp | tail -1" say? |
| 11:28.30 | khermans | simonrvn, ahh i will try that! |
| 11:28.49 | romano2k | azeem, that no packages refers to mktemp, should i install it? |
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| 11:29.14 | azeem | romano2k: I'd rather question myself why you removed it |
| 11:29.15 | simonrvn | apt-file you'll have to insatll and update (a la apt-get) but should work once that's done |
| 11:29.19 | azeem | because it is Essential: yes |
| 11:29.20 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: well I just cannot simply mount the drive as /dev/hda1....since it uses /root=/dev/mapper/laptop-root |
| 11:29.26 | subx | ive installed all the x components but when i log into a user the ~/.xinitrc isnt being read at all. am i missing something? |
| 11:29.35 | romano2k | azeem, i didn't choose to remove it |
| 11:29.40 | romano2k | azeem, may be aptitude did |
| 11:29.58 | romano2k | azeem, i don't even know what it is doing! so i don't touch it. |
| 11:30.01 | simonrvn | subx: .xsession; symlink .xinitrc to .xsession, then run startx |
| 11:30.11 | romano2k | azeem, anyway thank you, the upgrade worked |
| 11:30.14 | subx | thank you :) |
| 11:30.17 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: do you get an initrd shell after it times out? |
| 11:30.58 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: yes i get into initramfs |
| 11:31.19 | jakub_ | hello |
| 11:31.23 | jakub_ | can you give me help |
| 11:31.28 | subx | simonrvn: is the .xsession a root owned file in /etc/X11 ? |
| 11:31.29 | jakub_ | i have wrong textures on nvidia card |
| 11:31.31 | jakub_ | with new drivers :( |
| 11:31.36 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: try dmsetup ls |
| 11:31.39 | wols_ | jakub_: what drivers? |
| 11:31.44 | simonrvn | subx: your ~/ |
| 11:31.50 | jakub_ | *** 100.14.11-1 0 |
| 11:32.06 | wols_ | jakub_: and what card? |
| 11:32.16 | jakub_ | 7600 GT |
| 11:32.18 | subx | simonrvn: that file doesnt exist in my ~/ should i create one? |
| 11:32.19 | simonrvn | there's a system,but you don'y usually have to mess with that one |
| 11:32.25 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 11:32.33 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: laptop-swap_1 (254,2) hda5_crypt (254,0) laptop-root (254,1) |
| 11:32.34 | simonrvn | or cp it from your xinitrc |
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| 11:32.44 | subx | ok |
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| 11:32.56 | azeem | romano2k: I don't think aptitude removes Essential packages, either |
| 11:33.06 | azeem | romano2k: check /var/log/dpkg.log for when/how it got removed, maybe |
| 11:33.09 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: well, at least the device mappings exist :/ |
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| 11:33.40 | jakub_ | mhm |
| 11:33.44 | simonrvn | not by itself, no. you have to tell it explicitly; even then something has to replace/provide that package |
| 11:34.01 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: can you manually run cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/mapper/laptop-root testroot? |
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| 11:35.03 | yangvnc | with "testroot?" at the end or without? |
| 11:35.08 | _bart_ | anyone using eclipse with iceweasel who knows to get around the integrated browser error on eclipse startup ? |
| 11:35.26 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: with, just to test if you can |
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| 11:36.30 | MangosDebian | wait a tick, i think you already have it mounted actually |
| 11:36.48 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: I get then queried for the LUKS passphrase and then after i type it i get /dev/mapper/laptop-root is not a LUKS partition - command failed |
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| 11:37.29 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: yes sorry, your laptop-root would be the "testroot" already. |
| 11:37.48 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: can you manually mount /dev/mapper/laptop-root on say /mnt? |
| 11:37.56 | claudio` | How can i get the source code for man(1) (current installed version)? |
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| 11:39.22 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: with "mount /dev/mapper/laptop-root /tmp/test" I get Invalid argument |
| 11:39.49 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: does /tmp/test dir exist? |
| 11:39.56 | yangvnc | yes |
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| 11:40.25 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: mount --help, who knows with busybox tools syntax |
| 11:40.46 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: is "test" a dir or a file btw? |
| 11:40.55 | jatt | claudio`: apt-get source man-db |
| 11:41.00 | claudio` | jatt: THX |
| 11:41.03 | jatt | claudio`: ok |
| 11:41.14 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: test is a dir |
| 11:41.25 | MangosDebian | oki, just making sure |
| 11:41.27 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: I havent specified fs-type with mount |
| 11:41.46 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: maybe you have to with busybox, i dont know. give it a whirl |
| 11:41.55 | yangvnc | which one? |
| 11:42.14 | MangosDebian | the fstype I mean, try specify it |
| 11:42.24 | yangvnc | yes |
| 11:42.35 | yangvnc | but which do i need to choose ext3? |
| 11:42.46 | MangosDebian | how should I know what your fs type is? |
| 11:43.00 | yangvnc | i had it in ext3 |
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| 11:43.07 | MangosDebian | then ext2 or 3 should be fine |
| 11:43.45 | yangvnc | nope it doesnt like to be mounted |
| 11:43.50 | MangosDebian | well, actually that may not be entirely accurate since I think thinks complain with ext3 trying to mount as 2 until you remove the journal, but still |
| 11:44.08 | iSupaplex | ext3 uses journalizing. fsck on reboot is rarely required (even in an abrupt power outage) |
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| 11:44.26 | iSupaplex | however, undelete is one caveat |
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| 11:44.37 | MangosDebian | as well as true shreding |
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| 11:45.21 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: is the "file" command available in that shell? |
| 11:46.03 | yangvnc | no |
| 11:46.08 | MangosDebian | :/ |
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| 11:46.52 | yangvnc | should i try cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/hda5 hda5_crypt |
| 11:46.58 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: you may want to try a debian boot cd then. something with more tools |
| 11:47.21 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: ok |
| 11:47.27 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: no need, its already created. unless it didnt work, in which case you need to close it first |
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| 11:48.43 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: what you really need is file -s /dev/mapper/laptop-root to see if its even detected as a filesystem, and possibly fsck to fix any problems with it |
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| 11:49.29 | yangvnc | ok, I will get the rescue cd first (is this a different CD than the etch installation CD)? |
| 11:49.34 | MangosDebian | or build yourself a better initrd for the same kernel on another box that includes more useful tools and copy it your your /boot |
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| 11:50.28 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: not sure if the etch cd's have every tool you will need or not, but they might. give it a try first. file is pretty standard these days. |
| 11:50.32 | Noborusan | can i ask an iptables question here ? |
| 11:50.50 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: thanks for helping me |
| 11:51.03 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: np. gl with your rescue |
| 11:51.08 | securi | Hi iv got a problem, iv got a tar files with 3 different theemes i need to extract the tar file and then tar each theme 1 by 1 and then drag and drop in the theme box |
| 11:51.10 | securi | i have done that |
| 11:51.17 | securi | but it says cannot recognise file format |
| 11:51.25 | securi | when its the same as the original which workd! |
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| 11:51.58 | MangosDebian | securi: perhaps it expects different path types? absolute vs. relative |
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| 11:52.10 | securi | Different paths? please explain |
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| 11:53.01 | MangosDebian | tar i believe strips leading / by default. but it may also expect the tar to have a layout like ./somedir/foo in the tar rather than say ./foo or /some/path/somedir/foo |
| 11:53.19 | MangosDebian | securi: tar jtvf the original and compare the output to your tarball |
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| 11:54.22 | securi | tarball? |
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| 11:54.48 | MangosDebian | !tarball |
| 11:54.48 | dpkg | from memory, tarball is a file archived with tar (usually a .tar.gz file) |
| 11:55.07 | xingu | this looks kinda funky, myth frontend at about 80% transparency :) |
| 11:55.24 | MangosDebian | xingu: screenshot? |
| 11:55.35 | xingu | um... |
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| 11:55.57 | securi | ahh i see |
| 11:56.00 | securi | this is tar.bz2 |
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| 11:56.16 | MangosDebian | securi: hence the word "usually" |
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| 11:56.38 | securi | what is the difference between .bz2 and .gz? |
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| 11:57.30 | wols_ | different archiver |
| 11:57.38 | MangosDebian | man bzip2 ; man gzip |
| 11:57.40 | wols_ | different pack algorithm |
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| 11:58.15 | setog3 | wich kernel must I chooose for my amd sempron (a k7 kernel or a i686 kernel ? ) |
| 11:58.24 | securi | i see |
| 11:58.35 | securi | and which one does the theme function support |
| 11:58.38 | securi | as iv tried both file formats |
| 11:58.45 | securi | and i still get unknown file format |
| 11:58.56 | securi | it wont even let me opne .bz2 or .gz files by double clicking them |
| 11:59.00 | securi | can only do this via terminal |
| 11:59.08 | MangosDebian | securi: file yourfile.tar.bz2 |
| 11:59.13 | securi | am i missing some files as iv installed the core system only |
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| 11:59.49 | securi | CleanLime-0.4.tar.bz2: bzip2 compressed data, block size = 600k |
| 11:59.51 | xingu | MangosDebian: just waiting on picpaste.com |
| 11:59.52 | securi | thats what i get.... |
| 11:59.58 | MangosDebian | xingu: np |
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| 12:00.45 | securi | MangosDebian |
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| 12:00.51 | securi | i tried that please see the output |
| 12:01.00 | MangosDebian | securi: its not the file itself then. Might just be the layout you created. tar jtvf yourname.tar.bz2 and the working bz2 theme and compare output like i said earlier |
| 12:01.07 | xingu | MangosDebian: http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_1.png |
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| 12:01.28 | securi | compare What would i be looking for? |
| 12:01.41 | securi | all i need to do is delete 2 folders from the original and then im sorted! |
| 12:01.46 | securi | but im not sure how to delete 2 folders |
| 12:01.49 | MangosDebian | xingu: damn, how can you work like that lol |
| 12:02.03 | Noborusan | hi MangosDebian ,do you use iptables btw ? |
| 12:02.04 | securi | also i cant even open the original by double clicking on it |
| 12:02.06 | securi | gives an error |
| 12:02.24 | xingu | MangosDebian: <grin> |
| 12:02.30 | xingu | MangosDebian: not much work going on here |
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| 12:02.53 | Noborusan | i do not know from where to start to add my rule in a file comes from iptables-save |
| 12:02.59 | MangosDebian | securi: well, your double click problem is probably to do with something else. as for how to remove/alter tarballs, i suggest you read the tar manpage or gooogle for tutorials |
| 12:03.01 | xingu | MangosDebian: it looks even weirder when you spin the cube around |
| 12:03.39 | securi | what programs would i usually need to open tar and bz2 files? |
| 12:03.41 | securi | and gz? |
| 12:03.46 | securi | iv only install tar and bz2 |
| 12:03.47 | Noborusan | :( |
| 12:03.48 | securi | thats it :) |
| 12:03.49 | MangosDebian | xingu: ah, your using that compfusion or whatever its called? |
| 12:03.53 | securi | anything im missing do you think |
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| 12:04.12 | MangosDebian | securi: thats all you need since gzip is standard |
| 12:04.36 | xingu | MangosDebian: beryl |
| 12:04.48 | xingu | MangosDebian: but yeah, I gather it's been renamed again |
| 12:05.23 | securi | so what could be the problem why wont it let me opne .gz and bz2 files? |
| 12:05.44 | wols_ | securi: what won't open them? |
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| 12:06.04 | mot | hey |
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| 12:06.11 | mot | i just switched over from fedora to debian |
| 12:06.16 | securi | .gz and .bz2 files |
| 12:06.22 | MangosDebian | xingu: havent used either so no clue. i havent used X on my wks box with ati radeon in ages. last time X wasnt all that great, gl support was software rendered and I had fb issues that would black screen the video if i went back and forth a few times |
| 12:06.26 | mot | and all of my windows in kde look ..."old" i guess is the term |
| 12:06.33 | wols_ | securi: read my question more carefully |
| 12:06.46 | mot | funky colors...it looks like an older version of kde (i'm using 3.5) is there anything i should upgrade from my etch install right away? |
| 12:06.49 | mot | like x or something? |
| 12:08.02 | securi | wols_ well double clicking on them wont open them it gives me the following error: couldnt display "home/securi/Desktop/CleanLime-0.4.tar.bz2", The location is not a folder. |
| 12:08.16 | MangosDebian | xingu: i would like to try it again with etch though. but my windows box is using dynamic disks so im sol without a reinstall or convert util that handles dynamic |
| 12:08.18 | fdaf | photoshop on windows is nice |
| 12:08.20 | xingu | MangosDebian: nasty; I treated myself to a shiny shiny notebook about 9 months back; t7200/gfgo7600/2G sort of thing |
| 12:08.28 | fdaf | oops debian don't have photoshop, i forgot |
| 12:08.54 | xingu | MangosDebian: I had no tv while I was moving these last few weeks so bought a dvb-t usb stick |
| 12:08.58 | duki | Hello all, I have some problem with the display on laptop. I am using the acpi4asus module. I access the laptop only with ssh because the screen remain black. and if I type echo n | /proc/acpi/asus/disp, nothing change , the value 6 of disp never changes. My laptop is an asus a6tc 14h. |
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| 12:09.38 | duki | (echo n > /proc/acpi/asus/disp) |
| 12:09.42 | raboof | I already had a cups printer, and added another one. It's visible in evince, but only the old one shows up in openoffice |
| 12:09.47 | raboof | any idea what I should refresh? |
| 12:09.47 | MangosDebian | xingu: been meaning to get one of those. hows the linux support on them? |
| 12:10.47 | securi | wols_/// |
| 12:10.51 | securi | manosdebian... |
| 12:11.10 | xingu | MangosDebian: reasonable for the moment; there's some large-sized egos out in linux dvb land though and the maintainer of the em28xx driver mine uses has just forked his effort so who knows whether it'll stay supported |
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| 12:11.58 | Noborusan | iptables -A INPUT DROP |
| 12:11.58 | Noborusan | Bad argument `DROP' |
| 12:12.00 | MangosDebian | xingu: forks are a way of life in the OSS community since there are no spoons ;p |
| 12:12.03 | xingu | MangosDebian: once the hw features like tuner and decoder are driveable it comes back to software; xine is ok for raw decode/replay but has very primitive program guide support |
| 12:12.03 | Noborusan | huh? |
| 12:12.10 | cast | -j DROP |
| 12:12.20 | Noborusan | oh cast :) |
| 12:12.28 | xingu | MangosDebian: had a quick look at vdr, is a good backend package but myth seems to eat it for lunch in terms of functionality |
| 12:12.45 | Noborusan | hi cast ,will you check this http://pastebin.ca/619036 |
| 12:13.05 | MangosDebian | xingu: about the only thing i care is if I can pick a channel and watch it at decent quality. Could care less about the fancy stuff like channel guides and pip etc |
| 12:13.11 | Noborusan | cast, I think i should add my rule right under the 'COMMIT' ? |
| 12:13.26 | xingu | MangosDebian: you need a decent epg selector with uk dvb-t |
| 12:13.43 | MangosDebian | xingu: im ntsc here |
| 12:13.46 | xingu | MangosDebian: there's too many damn channels, you can't really just flick em over until you see something to watch |
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| 12:14.04 | cast | Noborusan: i don't know, i have no idea what you're doing. i think people should use shorewall personally :) |
| 12:14.10 | xingu | MangosDebian: you really do need the menu to work out what you want to watch and which channel it's on and when. :) |
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| 12:14.22 | MangosDebian | xingu: plus my local cable co. put a tv guide on one of the channels |
| 12:14.36 | xingu | now imagine your cable without it... |
| 12:15.00 | MangosDebian | xingu: would suck if I were new to town, but I know what channel my shows are on already :) |
| 12:15.12 | MangosDebian | worst case, I open up a web browser and look |
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| 12:16.03 | MangosDebian | xingu: oh lol, thats your tv in the background of that screeny? |
| 12:16.37 | MangosDebian | just noticed the myth running now. thought it was more of a screen for beryl |
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| 12:17.33 | k31th | how can i check to see if a UDP port is forwarded ? |
| 12:17.38 | _bart_ | anyone here running enlightenment ? |
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| 12:18.13 | xingu | MangosDebian: yup |
| 12:18.15 | cast | _bart_: yip. |
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| 12:18.34 | cast | _bart_: a lot of #e is too |
| 12:18.37 | _bart_ | cast, its still marked unstable I think, any big issues with it ? |
| 12:18.41 | xingu | MangosDebian: dancing around like ghosts, it's live. :) |
| 12:18.54 | wols_ | k31th: itpables -t nat -L |
| 12:18.56 | cast | _bart_: e16 is rock solid, e17 is quite usable too. |
| 12:19.04 | securi | LOL |
| 12:19.05 | securi | LOl |
| 12:19.06 | securi | LOL |
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| 12:19.14 | securi | sorry :P |
| 12:19.16 | securi | got a bit excited |
| 12:19.17 | _bart_ | cast, e16 it is then, I cant be bothered with the other WM's, thanks |
| 12:19.18 | MangosDebian | xingu: at first I thought you were trying to invent some fancy capcha or overlay some background image :) |
| 12:19.20 | securi | i think i found the problem |
| 12:19.25 | securi | i wasnt loged in as damn root lol! |
| 12:19.28 | securi | IDIOT! |
| 12:19.30 | securi | someone hit me please |
| 12:19.31 | k31th | wols_: sorry? |
| 12:19.36 | cast | _bart_: e16keyedit and menuedit are handy |
| 12:19.44 | MangosDebian | captcha* |
| 12:19.45 | wols_ | < k31th> how can i check to see if a UDP port is forwarded ? |
| 12:19.47 | _bart_ | cast, good to know thanks :) |
| 12:20.05 | k31th | wols_: it is not a debian box as a router im afraid, its a draytek hardware soho thing. |
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| 12:20.11 | simonrvn | !slap securi |
| 12:20.18 | wols_ | k31th: then you are OT, good day |
| 12:20.18 | simonrvn | :P |
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| 12:20.34 | cast | securi is doing well for an aol user though |
| 12:20.41 | k31th | im trying to connect from my debian box to my debian pbx at the office. |
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| 12:20.51 | simonrvn | wow, i never would've guessed. good stuff. |
| 12:20.56 | wols_ | k31th: it's still not a debian question that we could answer |
| 12:20.57 | Glaxo | Hi |
| 12:20.59 | Glaxo | , |
| 12:21.02 | MangosDebian | cast: whatever happened to the wisesweeping aol ban? |
| 12:21.11 | MangosDebian | wide* |
| 12:21.15 | securi | lol |
| 12:21.17 | Glaxo | how can i lock "x" directory for "x" user |
| 12:21.18 | securi | how do i chmod a file? |
| 12:21.22 | securi | to 777? |
| 12:21.25 | securi | as the folder has a lock on it |
| 12:21.28 | wols_ | securi: man chmod |
| 12:21.30 | securi | so im assuming not enough permission |
| 12:21.30 | simonrvn | securi: why? |
| 12:21.38 | k31th | wols_: so you dont know how to check to see if a UDP port is open on a remote box from the debian cmd line |
| 12:21.47 | Glaxo | x user access only x directory, will can't change directory.. |
| 12:21.57 | MangosDebian | !enter securi |
| 12:21.58 | wols_ | k31th: no. UDP is connectionless... |
| 12:22.45 | wols_ | Glaxo: a chroot |
| 12:22.56 | Glaxo | thanks |
| 12:22.57 | Glaxo | wols_, |
| 12:22.59 | Glaxo | ... |
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| 12:23.04 | MangosDebian | k31th: start a sniffer and get someone to probe the port in question to see if it passes the router |
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| 12:24.26 | k31th | MangosDebian: if i just grep for the port number will that surfice |
| 12:24.27 | wols_ | MangosDebian: "on a remote box" |
| 12:25.12 | MangosDebian | ahh sorry, thought he meant a router forwarding to his debian box |
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| 12:25.51 | MangosDebian | k31th: apt-get install netstat-nat comes in handy if the remote box were debian |
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| 12:26.29 | setog3 | does it exist a debian archive with kernel with patch applied (like bootsplash, preempt, and things like that), without the need to compile ? |
| 12:26.48 | wols_ | there is only one sort of debian kernel |
| 12:27.00 | kitsukun | I'm running into a problem with the flash-nonfree package |
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| 12:27.15 | setog3 | wols_: hmm ok, but non official kernel ? |
| 12:27.31 | wols_ | those are not debian and unsupported here |
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| 12:27.45 | wols_ | !tell setog3 about kp-mantra |
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| 12:27.52 | wols_ | if you know what you're doing that is |
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| 12:28.58 | setog3 | wols_: ok, I will do that , thx, now I need to find wich patch I want to try .. |
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| 12:29.29 | MangosDebian | setog3: debian comes with most patches |
| 12:29.48 | MangosDebian | as packages I mean as case with say bootsplash |
| 12:30.00 | kitsukun | Could someone tell me how to override the checksum test on the flash-nonfree package's auto-download. They updated the file it's downloading since the package was made. |
| 12:30.16 | kitsukun | *They=adobe |
| 12:30.40 | Noborusan | Do i really need to open access to the interface lo in iptables ? |
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| 12:30.57 | setog3 | MangosDebian: for bootsplash there is only a patch file in apt-cache search |
| 12:30.59 | MangosDebian | kitsukun: email adobe then and ask for support/file a bug |
| 12:31.16 | MangosDebian | setog3: yes, thats technically a package |
| 12:31.20 | L0cKn | hi everyone :> |
| 12:31.30 | L0cKn | rotfl |
| 12:31.32 | kitsukun | MangosDebian it's not their package, it's the one on the debian archive that has a problem |
| 12:31.36 | MangosDebian | hey |
| 12:31.54 | MangosDebian | kitsukun: file a bug report on it then |
| 12:32.01 | setog3 | MangosDebian: so I think I need to compile my own to support this .. |
| 12:32.11 | kitsukun | MangosDebian is there a way to bypass the checksum test for the time being? |
| 12:32.19 | MangosDebian | kitsukun: or at least check if its a know issue with possible workaround |
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| 12:32.35 | MangosDebian | setog3: yes you do |
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| 12:32.53 | kitsukun | MangosDebian where is the bug-report site again? |
| 12:33.00 | tzfardea | Hey, I'm trying to install the nvidia graphic driver but I don't have the packages nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx, how can I add them? |
| 12:33.03 | MangosDebian | bugs.debian.org |
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| 12:33.32 | MangosDebian | kitsukun: or apt-get install reportbug |
| 12:33.35 | setog3 | MangosDebian: but I don't want, I think I will search a little a deb kernel package with all things like that, don't sur I can't get the deb package from ubuntu... but why not |
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| 12:34.53 | MangosDebian | setog3: debian stock kernel doesnt have preemption? |
| 12:34.57 | wols_ | tzfardea: non-free/contrib are needed |
| 12:35.13 | haluk | hi folk, i've a problem with apache2. Yesterday i reinstalled it to django but now it doesnt work. In the system beginning it shows apache2 start but when i type localhost on the browser it doesnt work. What can i do? |
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| 12:35.33 | tzfardea | wols_, I have this line in /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 12:35.39 | hark | tzfardea: been removed |
| 12:36.00 | wols_ | !tell tzfardea about nvidia post-etch |
| 12:36.20 | fdaf | hi wols_ |
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| 12:36.32 | tzfardea | hark, Can you please give me good sources because I searched and didn't find good sources |
| 12:36.52 | wols_ | !tell tzfardea about nvidia_post_etch |
| 12:37.01 | wols_ | tzfardea: what country are you in? |
| 12:37.15 | tzfardea | wols_, Israel |
| 12:37.29 | hark | wols_: it's been removed from lenny |
| 12:37.43 | hark | !why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
| 12:37.43 | dpkg | nvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
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| 12:39.07 | tzfardea | So how should I install the nvidia graphic driver? |
| 12:39.19 | wols_ | !tell tzfardea about simple sid backport |
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| 12:44.26 | iSupaplex | that might be on backports to |
| 12:44.33 | kitsukun | Mangosdebian they have the updated package it just hasn't been moved into stable yet. How do I manually install it? |
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| 12:48.24 | Christoph_vW | what is sid for? will packages from sid go into etch? |
| 12:48.58 | MangosDebian | kitsukun: download it and install it with dpkg -i, but dependancies might be an issue |
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| 12:50.30 | kitsukun | MangosDebian they stated it as tested under etch, but I'll double check |
| 12:51.05 | IvanRJ | Hi, I was just trying to compile Python2.5 but after running "build-dep python2.5". apt told it needed to remove ubuntu-desktop package to satisfy its depenencies (srry about ubuntu question, but in fact, nobody at #ubuntu knows what I have to do about it) |
| 12:51.26 | cast | Christoph_vW: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a7/Debian-package-cycle.png |
| 12:51.44 | cast | Christoph_vW: sid is unstable on that diagram |
| 12:51.45 | jatt | why do you need to compile python? (confused) |
| 12:52.14 | azeem | IvanRJ: why should we know? |
| 12:52.17 | IvanRJ | jatt, to apply a patch |
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| 12:52.25 | jatt | aha |
| 12:52.28 | azeem | IvanRJ: please ask again in #ubuntu later or on their forums |
| 12:52.32 | azeem | or mailing lists |
| 12:52.33 | IvanRJ | azeem, I was just asking bro, be easy |
| 12:52.45 | Christoph_vW | this would mean no qemu 0.9 in near future? :/ |
| 12:52.48 | azeem | IvanRJ: I'm just asking you to ask elsewhere, I'm easy |
| 12:53.04 | kitsukun | MangosDebian successful. I'll report a successful install under etch for the current bug on it. |
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| 12:53.20 | securi | anyone got any dieas why my firefox keeps closing itself down? |
| 12:53.24 | IvanRJ | azeem, I've already did it, of course |
| 12:53.31 | Christoph_vW | I need it on some servers - and I don't want to build it myself on every machine |
| 12:53.32 | IvanRJ | azeem, but thx anyway |
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| 12:53.58 | solemnwarning | Can I specify a path to dpkg to install the package to like a prefix? |
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| 12:54.17 | azeem | solemnwarning: yes, but that won't make it work properly |
| 12:54.21 | azeem | it's not supported |
| 12:54.33 | solemnwarning | What's the option? :) |
| 12:54.37 | solemnwarning | I'll be chrooting anyway |
| 12:54.38 | azeem | man dpkg |
| 12:54.43 | azeem | then install in the chroot |
| 12:54.55 | securi | Whats the difference between GTK1.X and GTK2.X ?? |
| 12:55.02 | solemnwarning | I need to get a system there first or I wont have a dpkg :P |
| 12:55.04 | azeem | because otherwise the package will not be in the chroot's dpkg databse |
| 12:55.10 | jatt | securi: lots of differences |
| 12:55.11 | azeem | solemnwarning: use debootstrap |
| 12:55.16 | solemnwarning | thanks |
| 12:55.26 | tarzeau | securi: it's still GTK |
| 12:55.29 | azeem | securi: the latter one is used, the former hasn't been maintained for 7 years now |
| 12:55.44 | securi | so GTK2.X is used right now? |
| 12:55.49 | securi | its just that on gnome-look.org |
| 12:55.52 | securi | for the themes |
| 12:55.55 | securi | it has GTK 1 and 2 |
| 12:56.00 | securi | just wandering which one i should use |
| 12:56.04 | tarzeau | securi: try dillo, it's still gtk 1.x |
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| 12:56.07 | securi | im on debian etch amd 64 |
| 12:56.12 | azeem | securi: which application do you care about? |
| 12:56.35 | securi | non i just want a theme... |
| 12:56.40 | azeem | or asked otherwise, are you looking for Gnome themes? |
| 12:56.51 | azeem | Gnome uses GTK2 |
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| 12:58.49 | jvm | hello! a few days ago my usb stick worked without problems, i could mount it with "mount /dev/sdc2 /mnt/abc". i tried it today and got "mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat'". i didn't do a system update or anything. any hint? |
| 12:59.44 | securi | azeem thanks |
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| 13:01.18 | philippe_ | jvm : have you upgraded your kernel ? |
| 13:01.27 | jvm | philippe_: no. |
| 13:02.18 | philippe_ | jvm : lsmod | grep fat |
| 13:02.35 | jvm | philippe_: doesn't show anything. |
| 13:02.56 | philippe_ | modprobe vfat |
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| 13:02.59 | jvm | philippe_: but it's strange that it worked a few days ago if i didn't do a kernel upgrade between |
| 13:03.31 | philippe_ | jvm : modprobe vfat |
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| 13:04.17 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 13:04.20 | securi | is the tutorials on www.aboutdebian.com good for setting up DNS Server, HTTP Server and Network Monitoring tools/ |
| 13:04.25 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 13:05.14 | philippe_ | jvm ? |
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| 13:05.42 | jvm | philippe_: strange |
| 13:05.55 | philippe_ | ? |
| 13:05.57 | jvm | philippe_: "mount: wrong fs type, ..." |
| 13:06.11 | philippe_ | ok |
| 13:06.12 | jvm | philippe_: it's an ipod which works fine, all songs are ok, windows can read it |
| 13:06.23 | jvm | philippe_: i know, it looks like there's a filesystem error |
| 13:06.50 | philippe_ | are you sure it's the right device ? |
| 13:06.52 | securi | azeem im still stuck |
| 13:07.01 | securi | when i double c lick on and .tar.gz or .tar.bz2 |
| 13:07.02 | securi | files |
| 13:07.06 | securi | it wont opne them |
| 13:07.10 | jvm | philippe_: dmesg says "FAT: codepage cp437 not found" |
| 13:07.17 | jvm | philippe_: yeah, it's the right device |
| 13:07.20 | securi | also i have 3 folders on my desktop with a lock sign next to them it wont let me delete them |
| 13:07.24 | securi | says i havent got enough permision |
| 13:07.28 | securi | but im loged in as root... |
| 13:07.42 | embrik | I've bought myself an external case for 2,5" IDE hd, with USB 2.0 connection. How do mount this? Do I have to format it? It is supposed to be used both in windows and linux - I'm thinking of giving this to the teachers at my school, to avoid giving them laptops.. Anybod who can give me a tip or show me a howto? |
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| 13:07.55 | kitsukun | MangoDebian: I successfully installed it, tested it, and then emailed the bug report discussion that it was successful. I would use the free plugin but some sites don't like it |
| 13:08.30 | azeem | securi: don't login as root |
| 13:08.34 | azeem | securi: are you using GNome |
| 13:09.52 | philippe_ | jvm if you use gnome you can try gnome-volume-manager |
| 13:09.53 | solitude | how can i change keymap from the virtual terminal? |
| 13:09.59 | securi | yes i am using gnome |
| 13:10.03 | securi | how do i log out of root then? |
| 13:10.30 | embrik | anybody, what do I do with an external hd, connected with usb, it doesn't show up |
| 13:10.40 | philippe_ | gnome-volume-manager should do what is needed |
| 13:10.56 | solitude | embrik, mount it |
| 13:11.05 | jvm | philippe_: i use e17, but i run "gnome-settings-daemon" at x startup. is volume manager started with the settings daemon? |
| 13:11.28 | embrik | solitude: I've tried. BUt it isn't formatted. Shuld it be formatted first.. |
| 13:11.49 | philippe_ | jvm no I don't think it's started |
| 13:12.21 | jvm | philippe_: i started gnome-volume-manager, plugged the ipod out and in and it shows up with a graphical message displaying the same error message as mount does in the terminal |
| 13:12.58 | solitude | embrik, yes |
| 13:13.00 | kitsukun | embrik if it's not-formated it won't show up as a volume on your dektop, you have to load up a volume/partition manager program. Format it a format readable by both Linux and Windows |
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| 13:14.01 | peter_ | Hello |
| 13:14.22 | philippe_ | jvm tyr : modprobe nls_cp437 |
| 13:14.56 | philippe_ | you have something broken in module auto loading |
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| 13:15.20 | securi | apt-get install gnome , apt-get install xorg |
| 13:15.26 | securi | and whats the other command to install core system? |
| 13:15.28 | jvm | philippe_: i found this: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/hal/2005-June/002594.html - my problem is exactly described there. |
| 13:15.48 | jvm | philippe_: i used the ipod last time with a windows notebook, maybe it changed something |
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| 13:16.01 | jvm | philippe_: your modprobe nls_cp437 changes nothing |
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| 13:17.51 | philippe_ | jvm same error ? |
| 13:18.30 | jvm | philippe_: yes, i get the same message when running dmesg |
| 13:18.33 | Noborusan | In debian,what is the easiest/safiest way to configure iptables to run it automatically even after a reboot ? |
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| 13:18.57 | Noborusan | oops,i meant let iptables to load the rules i specified. |
| 13:19.07 | jvm | philippe_: but i don't know which codepage i need |
| 13:19.07 | wols_ | Noborusan: man iptables-save |
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| 13:19.32 | Noborusan | hi wols_ ,yeah i use it to save my config already |
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| 13:20.12 | jvm | philippe_: i found a list of the code pages, but both codepages mentioned there do not work: mount /dev/sdc2 mnt -o user,exec,noauto,iocharset=utf8,codepage=437,noatime,sync |
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| 13:28.32 | joakim | helloes. anyone know of a good terminal emulator which has url detection? |
| 13:28.49 | solitude | i change my keyboard map? |
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| 13:30.26 | streuner | !keymap |
| 13:30.26 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
| 13:30.45 | solitude | thanks |
| 13:30.47 | solitude | :) |
| 13:30.52 | semprix | whats a good torrent client do you guys recommend |
| 13:30.58 | solitude | utorrent |
| 13:31.06 | solitude | azureus is ok, if a little system heavy |
| 13:31.23 | semprix | thanks |
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| 13:31.41 | aindilis | Anyone know where the emacs21 info file got to? |
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| 13:33.10 | streuner | semprix: there are "bittorrent" or "rtorrent" |
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| 13:33.18 | streuner | both are light-weight |
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| 13:33.58 | solitude | !sshd |
| 13:33.59 | streuner | utorrent is NOT open-source and only for windows |
| 13:34.05 | solitude | also true |
| 13:34.12 | solitude | but it works flawlessly on wine |
| 13:34.13 | frafra | is possible install debian in a pc without a graphic card using only ssh? |
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| 13:34.38 | streuner | solitude: we prefer open source |
| 13:34.41 | aindilis | apparently I need the non-dfsg package. thanks. |
| 13:35.56 | solitude | streuner, azureus then |
| 13:36.03 | SnarceZ | I tried using cube but it goes really slow and if I launch sauerbraten it gives me this error http://pastebin.ca/619000 . my glxinfo says http://pastebin.ca/619092 , can anyone help me? |
| 13:36.22 | streuner | nah, azureus is JAVA crap, plus it needs plenty of RAM :-) |
| 13:37.05 | MoDaX | semprix: ktorrent |
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| 13:37.19 | streuner | !Info azureus |
| 13:37.20 | dpkg | azureus: has nothing about Info |
| 13:37.28 | solitude | Java is fine |
| 13:37.28 | solitude | ktorrent is ust as heavy on ram |
| 13:37.29 | SnarceZ | also qtorrent is not bad... simple and quink |
| 13:37.29 | solitude | just& |
| 13:37.40 | SnarceZ | quick |
| 13:37.41 | solitude | utorrent is the standard, forgood reason |
| 13:37.56 | solitude | uses ~8mb ram, even when downloading at 300kbs with 10 torrents loaded. |
| 13:38.07 | philippe_ | jvm don't know |
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| 13:39.25 | timewriter | hi |
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| 13:40.32 | MoDaX | solitude: it does not matter if it's used on kde |
| 13:40.33 | timewriter | sorry timewalker_ , wrong tab |
| 13:40.53 | timewriter | !kernel |
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| 13:40.54 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.22.1, snapshot: 2.6.22-git5, 2.4: 2.4.34.5, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre5, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.22-rc6-mm1 |
| 13:41.08 | solitude | ? |
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| 13:41.38 | solitude | note: ktorrent will have a LOT of dependencies if you use auto packaging and dont use KDE |
| 13:41.38 | solitude | ~100mb worth |
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| 13:42.02 | massctrl | hi is there some rc update prog to make adding and removing rc scripts a bit easier ? |
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| 13:42.09 | abrotman | solitude: duh |
| 13:42.18 | abrotman | massctrl: update-rc.d |
| 13:43.03 | MoDaX | solitude: most of that ram is used by standard kde stuff and thus shared or will be swapped out. |
| 13:43.21 | massctrl | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 13:43.41 | abrotman | MoDaX: i think he meant packages |
| 13:44.07 | Quibus | anyway folks, there's no way to enable 'desktop effects' currently in testing? |
| 13:44.11 | et | massctrl: maybe you want to have a look at rcconf too |
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| 13:44.22 | milez | hi |
| 13:44.46 | milez | can anyone point me to information on how to patch a source tree and run debuild on it without having it wipe out all my changes? |
| 13:44.50 | solitude | gah |
| 13:44.51 | MoDaX | as for packages, nothing else major but kdelibs4 is required (which is much for non-kde user. I agree) |
| 13:44.57 | solitude | xorg is not in debian sarge |
| 13:45.03 | solitude | MoDaX, yeah :S |
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| 13:46.17 | solitude | its xfree |
| 13:46.25 | solitude | yay for oldness |
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| 13:48.09 | MoDaX | solitude: heavily patched xfree |
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| 13:48.22 | solitude | xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:48.26 | solitude | indeed |
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| 13:50.46 | Noborusan | does iplimit included in the default kernel in etch ? |
| 13:51.11 | Noborusan | i meant' is iplimit included...' |
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| 13:52.03 | semprix | azureus is good :) |
| 13:52.23 | semprix | thanks solitude |
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| 13:53.31 | cast | i like how googles personalised search knows i want python when i type 'print without new line' |
| 13:53.32 | cope[dev] | ktorrent |
| 13:53.41 | cope[dev] | ktorrent is the best torrent for linux |
| 13:53.54 | cope[dev] | does bandwidth scheduling, iplimits, encryption and search |
| 13:53.56 | amphi | cope[dev]: hardly - rtorrent FTW |
| 13:54.07 | cope[dev] | blah rtorrent doesn't compare |
| 13:54.17 | cast | torrents suck. |
| 13:54.18 | cope[dev] | I'm on gnome, I hate most kde layouts.. but ktorrent kicks |
| 13:54.40 | solitude | ORLY |
| 13:54.43 | solitude | what makes it good? |
| 13:54.50 | cope[dev] | does bandwidth scheduling, iplimits, encryption and search |
| 13:54.58 | solitude | same as utorrent then |
| 13:55.07 | massctrl | how can I have another editor chosen by default, so vigr uses nano instead of vi ? |
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| 13:55.27 | cope[dev] | utorrent on linux? |
| 13:55.28 | solitude | vi is so much better than nano :( |
| 13:55.31 | cope[dev] | wine or cedega? |
| 13:55.31 | solitude | cope[dev], yes |
| 13:55.34 | solitude | wine |
| 13:55.43 | solitude | works flawlessly |
| 13:55.48 | cope[dev] | ouch solitude |
| 13:55.49 | massctrl | solitude: maybe so but I want to use nano,.. |
| 13:55.58 | solitude | i wonder if i can run cygwin on wine on linux |
| 13:56.00 | solitude | just for lolz |
| 13:56.11 | cast | massctrl: this isn't about you damnit! vivivi \m/ |
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| 13:56.29 | romano2k | hi everyone! i've a fresh debian install |
| 13:56.31 | cope[dev] | why run windows apps when linux has equals? |
| 13:56.33 | solitude | what cast said |
| 13:56.34 | romano2k | just upgraded from etch to sid |
| 13:56.37 | romano2k | and i can't ping google.fr |
| 13:56.39 | solitude | cope[dev], because utorrent is better imo |
| 13:56.44 | solitude | in terms of memory management |
| 13:56.44 | romano2k | (but i could before the upgrade) |
| 13:56.50 | cope[dev] | memory management?? |
| 13:56.52 | solitude | and i prefer the interface. |
| 13:56.53 | solitude | yeah |
| 13:57.01 | solitude | it uses a lot less ram that any other client |
| 13:57.04 | romano2k | and i don't understand why! |
| 13:57.12 | massctrl | cast: ok, nano enables me to do what I need to do with NO leaningcurve,... I know that using vi is oh so powerfull and all that but than I must learn all the shortcuts and I have other things on my mind |
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| 13:57.32 | solitude | lol |
| 13:57.39 | solitude | on what desktop environmnt? |
| 13:57.41 | cope[dev] | massctrl, I could be wrong, but the export/declare EDITOR="" springs to mind |
| 13:57.44 | utopia_ | doe's anybody know of a good p2p client ? |
| 13:57.51 | solitude | on gnome/kde/xfce, theres a section called 'preferred applications' |
| 13:57.55 | solitude | and you can change it here. |
| 13:58.17 | abrotman | utopia_: which network ? |
| 13:58.27 | massctrl | cope[dev] that rings a bell, sounds good, i'll look into it, thanks! |
| 13:58.37 | utopia_ | abrotman, gnutella, whichever :) i dont mind |
| 13:58.53 | abrotman | there's gtk-gnutella |
| 13:59.02 | solitude | argh |
| 13:59.04 | solitude | im OLD! |
| 13:59.05 | abrotman | !info gtk-gnutella etch |
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| 13:59.09 | solitude | and have forgotten too much |
| 13:59.18 | solitude | how do i startx on xfree86? |
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| 13:59.22 | abrotman | startx |
| 13:59.25 | trinqhe | hi all |
| 13:59.45 | utopia_ | abrotman, cool ill check it out |
| 13:59.48 | solitude | abrotman, no |
| 13:59.50 | solitude | thats the kicker ;p |
| 13:59.51 | cope[dev] | utopia_, frostwire |
| 13:59.53 | trinqhe | i ma trying to start the upsd and i got this error No matching HID UPS found Driver failed to start (exit status=1) |
| 14:00.03 | abrotman | utopia_: gtk-gnutella isn't in etch .. you might also want to look at gift |
| 14:00.05 | cope[dev] | utopia_, its a clone of limewire |
| 14:00.07 | abrotman | solemnwarning: yes |
| 14:00.11 | abrotman | solitude: |
| 14:00.21 | trinqhe | i have choosen the usbhid-ups driver from nut |
| 14:00.28 | Noborusan | iptables -I and -A, any difference in an order saying ? |
| 14:00.38 | abrotman | ask #iptables |
| 14:00.46 | trinqhe | and my ups is MGE Ellipse so is supported what am i doing wrong ? |
| 14:01.20 | utopia_ | cool thanks =) |
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| 14:02.01 | Noborusan | abrotman, ok |
| 14:02.17 | cope[dev] | utopia_, I believe frostwire is in the repositories as well |
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| 14:02.22 | cope[dev] | I know its in the ubuntu ones. |
| 14:02.23 | trinqhe | Noburusan man iptables and search for -A and -I |
| 14:02.33 | cope[dev] | which I believe are an exact copy of debians |
| 14:02.59 | utopia_ | cope[dev], doesn't appear to be for me :) |
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| 14:03.12 | abrotman | cope[dev]: not even close |
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| 14:03.30 | abrotman | utopia_: try apt-cache search gnutella |
| 14:03.31 | trinqhe | Noborusan, -A is used mostly if the host is resolving to multiple ip`s |
| 14:04.02 | cope[dev] | utopia_, I'm sure you'll find a .deb somewhere for it |
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| 14:04.16 | cope[dev] | or else, gnutella if your not a limewire fan |
| 14:04.29 | trinqhe | does someone knows an UPS cahnnel support ? |
| 14:05.12 | abrotman | you broke your battery ? |
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| 14:05.25 | utopia_ | yep got my hands on gtk-gnutella, thanks for the pointer |
| 14:05.40 | trinqhe | no :) i cant manage it using nut ups |
| 14:06.01 | Noborusan | trinqhe, I see |
| 14:06.30 | Noborusan | trinqhe, would you tell me how do i check if iplimit is included in this default stuck kernel came from etch install? |
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| 14:07.42 | trinqhe | Noborusan, iplimit for what exactly ? |
| 14:07.59 | trinqhe | as a module dont know if exists |
| 14:08.11 | trinqhe | i ssay does not |
| 14:08.25 | Noborusan | for example,To limit connections from a single IP or from a C class IP range at one time |
| 14:09.00 | trinqhe | Noborusan, that is the job of HTB module |
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| 14:09.05 | solitude | im running debian sarge, ive started xfree86, how do i start xfce4? |
| 14:09.44 | abrotman | put it in your .xsession |
| 14:10.10 | trinqhe | Noborusan, modprobe htb ..then configure it as you like with tc rules |
| 14:10.19 | solitude | abrotman, how? |
| 14:10.30 | solitude | this is so old it doesnt have a startx script |
| 14:10.38 | solitude | i had to do "X &" |
| 14:10.44 | solitude | to start myX session |
| 14:10.48 | abrotman | that's not right |
| 14:10.50 | abrotman | i already told you how |
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| 14:11.11 | solitude | [15:09:29] <abrotman> put it in your .xsession | I dont understand how. |
| 14:11.20 | solitude | and startx isnt there, so i cant use it. |
| 14:11.27 | solitude | bash: command not recognised. |
| 14:11.28 | abrotman | so god damn install startx |
| 14:11.35 | abrotman | ask how to install startx .. |
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| 14:11.44 | abrotman | and why are you using sarge instead of etch ? |
| 14:11.50 | solitude | its not in the repository |
| 14:11.57 | solitude | because etch doesnt work on thie machine |
| 14:11.59 | abrotman | that's bullshit .. it is there |
| 14:12.00 | spheard | what CLI mail reader should I be using? |
| 14:12.01 | solitude | this* |
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| 14:12.06 | solitude | nope |
| 14:12.08 | abrotman | you just don't know how to find it . .and you won't ask how to find it |
| 14:12.12 | abrotman | !find startx sarge |
| 14:12.14 | solitude | apt-cache search startx |
| 14:12.21 | abrotman | yeah .. that's WRONG |
| 14:12.22 | solitude | doesnt return it |
| 14:12.26 | abrotman | !tell solitude about search |
| 14:12.44 | solitude | 15:12:11] <dpkg> abrotman wants you to know: rumour has it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>' |
| 14:12.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'startx' (2): (/usr/bin/startxfce4) in x11/xfce4-utils ;; (/usr/X11R6/bin/startx) in x11/xbase-clients. |
| 14:12.53 | solitude | so, what AM i search for then? |
| 14:12.55 | abrotman | READ THE WHOLE THING |
| 14:13.03 | solitude | HI I CAN USE CAPS TOO |
| 14:13.23 | abrotman | fine .. figure it out yourself |
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| 14:13.53 | solitude | look ,this is a non-trivial problem |
| 14:13.57 | solitude | I DID search it |
| 14:14.13 | solitude | and startxfce4 returns line 34: exec: xnit: notfound |
| 14:14.22 | spheard | !mail |
| 14:14.22 | dpkg | [mail] a great program for sending mail, or mutt can send mail from the command line with attachments, or elm rewarded the best emailer of 1999. Pine is out. |
| 14:15.08 | amphi | solitude: you have xbase-clients installed? |
| 14:15.24 | solitude | Yes. |
| 14:15.46 | amphi | solitude: so where is your startx? |
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| 14:15.48 | abrotman | solitude: dpkg -l xbase-clients | tail -1 |
| 14:16.05 | solitude | thanks, ill try that next |
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| 14:16.28 | solitude | its just removing xfree86 and installing x-window-system instead |
| 14:16.39 | solitude | even though x-window-system was listed as an xfree dependency :s |
| 14:16.58 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 14:17.36 | abrotman | solitude: apt-get install x-window-system xfce4 gdm |
| 14:17.46 | stew | solitude: xserver-xfree86 is a x-window-system dependency, not the other way around |
| 14:17.47 | solitude | i did check to see if x-window-system-core was installed, and it was |
| 14:18.04 | solitude | stew, ah, thanks |
| 14:18.23 | stew | solitude: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:18.31 | solitude | just start x with xfce4 |
| 14:18.43 | stew | solitude: what happens when you type "startx"? |
| 14:18.48 | abrotman | his startx is gone for some reason .. even though he says he has xbase-clients installed |
| 14:18.53 | solitude | beforehand, command not found |
| 14:19.14 | stew | solitude: what does "apt-cache policy xbase-clients" say for 'Installed:'? |
| 14:19.26 | solitude | its ok :) |
| 14:19.26 | solitude | thanks everyone |
| 14:19.26 | solitude | it woks now |
| 14:19.28 | solitude | works* |
| 14:19.55 | abrotman | solitude: and xfce4 works also ? |
| 14:20.04 | solitude | yes :D |
| 14:20.11 | solitude | i did xfce4_setup |
| 14:20.11 | solitude | then startx |
| 14:20.59 | solitude | wow, this is ancient |
| 14:21.20 | abrotman | you're using sarge .. why? |
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| 14:21.55 | solitude | because etch doesnt work |
| 14:22.02 | abrotman | define 'doesn't wrok' |
| 14:22.04 | solitude | it silently fails after loading initrd |
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| 14:22.23 | Noborusan | where is the page to subscribe to debian security email service ? |
| 14:22.26 | solitude | I believe its a problem with the 2.6 kernel |
| 14:22.28 | abrotman | the screen goes blank and you can't read anything ? |
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| 14:22.37 | abrotman | Noborusan: security.debian.org |
| 14:22.43 | solitude | so i went back to sarge, as it has a 2.4 option. |
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| 14:23.20 | solitude | abrotman, no, it says Ready. says it loads the kernel, and hangs |
| 14:23.22 | abrotman | does the 2.6 kernel in sarge work ? |
| 14:23.25 | stew | Noborusan: you mean you want to receive emails when the security team release new packages? |
| 14:23.29 | solitude | no, it doesnt |
| 14:23.34 | solitude | this is why im uing 2.4 and sarge |
| 14:23.38 | solitude | using* |
| 14:23.50 | stew | solitude: realize that support for sarge will end in a few months |
| 14:24.00 | solitude | as the machine only runs an sshd, vsftp and apache, sarge is no huge harship. |
| 14:24.08 | solitude | hardship* |
| 14:24.08 | solitude | stew :S |
| 14:24.11 | abrotman | solitude: you might want to look at some kernel options .. and possibly ask the debian-kernel team |
| 14:24.14 | Noborusan | stew, no,but sir abrotman did answer me just now,thanks for you two |
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| 14:24.27 | abrotman | i've been knighted! :) |
| 14:24.38 | solitude | assuming im right in thinking its a 2.4 problem, could i upgrade to etch, but keep using the 2.4 kernel? |
| 14:24.46 | solitude | err, 2.6 problem* |
| 14:25.13 | abrotman | solitude: you could .. but it's not supported .. and you might have other issues |
| 14:25.41 | solitude | "other issues"? |
| 14:25.46 | Noborusan | In dmesg, it reports CPU#0 and CPU#1,with the same info,does this mean etch recognized my dual core CPU no problem ? |
| 14:25.56 | abrotman | solitude: the apps are expecting a 2.6 kernel |
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| 14:26.03 | abrotman | Noborusan: yes |
| 14:26.05 | solitude | am i right in thinking that dist-upgrade will upgrade kernel too? |
| 14:26.05 | Noborusan | I use 2.4.18-i686 |
| 14:26.14 | Marenz | how can i find out how much rajm my videocard got? |
| 14:26.15 | solitude | abrotman, ah, i see what you mean. |
| 14:26.17 | Marenz | *ram |
| 14:26.17 | Noborusan | oops, 2.6.18-i686 |
| 14:26.31 | Noborusan | abrotman, cool :D |
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| 14:27.32 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 14:27.32 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 14:28.18 | solitude | hmm, i forgot abotuthe lack of smp support in this kernel |
| 14:28.18 | solitude | about* |
| 14:28.32 | abrotman | solitude: there's a 2.4 SMP kernel |
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| 14:30.29 | solitude | There is, I just meant that i forgot that my current one wasnt it. :) |
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| 14:32.58 | solitude | [15:25:49] <solitude> am i right in thinking that dist-upgrade will upgrade kernel too? |
| 14:33.22 | stew | maybe |
| 14:33.40 | solitude | assme that its sarge -> etch, with sarge on a 2.4 kernel |
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| 14:34.07 | MoDaX | solitude: if kernel flaviour does not change or if you approrpiate linux-latest package installed |
| 14:34.29 | stew | depends on if you have a kernel metapackage installed such as kernel-image-2.6, in which case it will, if you just hvae a specific kernel package installed like kernel-image-2.4.27-386, it won't |
| 14:34.38 | SoulChild | Which programm should i use for CPU Freq Scaling ? |
| 14:34.39 | solitude | Ah. right/ |
| 14:34.52 | stew | solitude: and note that 2.4 kernels are not supported under etch. some things, notably mysql and postfix are known to not work under 2.4 in etch |
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| 14:35.14 | solitude | stew. noted. |
| 14:35.30 | stew | and that 2.4 kernels will not work at all under lenny |
| 14:35.55 | solitude | isnt lenny unstable branch anyway? |
| 14:36.00 | abrotman | testing |
| 14:36.13 | stew | solitude: it will be the next stable |
| 14:36.17 | solitude | right |
| 14:36.28 | solitude | in ~3 years time |
| 14:37.13 | stew | who knows, probably not that long |
| 14:37.15 | SoulChild | Do i need powernowd ? |
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| 14:38.42 | akos | hey guy, can you help me with an ndiswrapper issue? |
| 14:38.46 | akos | installing windows drivers using ndiswrapper: installing netw4x64 ... \n couldn't find models section "Device" - \n installation may be incomplete |
| 14:39.18 | peter_ | damn, I dont know how to change my icon size ;) |
| 14:39.20 | peter_ | any ide? |
| 14:40.03 | akos | peter_, right click the panel, and under properties |
| 14:40.32 | SoulChild | I have a celeron M processor which power save daemon do you recomment? i have gnome installed (debian testin9 maybe i don't need one???)??? |
| 14:41.29 | peter_ | akos, ok, works |
| 14:41.36 | akos | np |
| 14:42.03 | akos | you don't know about ndiswrapper by chance, do you? :D |
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| 14:43.55 | wols_ | akos: what wlan card btw? |
| 14:43.59 | wols_ | what chip, rather? |
| 14:44.35 | S4nD3r | hi there. Id like to know which software can I use to edit videos in debian etch? |
| 14:44.57 | SoulChild | !ndiswrapper |
| 14:44.57 | dpkg | it has been said that ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
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| 14:45.09 | wols_ | don't think etch has anything except maybe kino |
| 14:45.09 | akos | wols_, 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection (rev 61) |
| 14:45.16 | wols_ | ther is also cinelerra |
| 14:46.36 | akos | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 14:46.36 | dpkg | well, ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 14:46.55 | Noborusan | thanks all,good night. |
| 14:47.03 | Noborusan | bye wols_ and abrotman |
| 14:47.16 | S4nD3r | wols_, thanks, i will see kino |
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| 14:49.35 | jelly-home | SoulChild: I personally use cpufreqd, but it's probably overkill. You'll probably be good with cpufrequtils. Since Celeron M doesn't have advanced speedstep capabilities, you'll have to use "p4-clockmod" kernel module to make frequency change possible. |
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| 14:50.23 | timewriter | hi |
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| 14:50.47 | timewriter | i have compiled linux kernel 2.6.22 and now , i cant boot on it |
| 14:50.58 | timewriter | it stops at "waiting for root file system" |
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| 14:51.17 | wols_ | timewriter: do you have a raid, lvm or such? |
| 14:51.28 | timewriter | sata on ahci mode |
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| 14:51.39 | wols_ | then don't use a initrd |
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| 14:52.07 | timewriter | and what do i need to do now , in order to boot 2.6.22 |
| 14:52.09 | wols_ | compile the needed stuff in |
| 14:52.21 | timewriter | i used the working config file |
| 14:52.22 | wols_ | nothing. you can't boot it obviously |
| 14:52.31 | wols_ | how did you build it? |
| 14:52.36 | timewriter | debian way |
| 14:52.56 | wols_ | well, no initrd is my advice. your choice |
| 14:53.15 | jelly-home | wols_: funny thing is that initrd is required for some stuff (uswsusp) |
| 14:53.17 | timewriter | so i need to compile it again ? |
| 14:53.39 | timewriter | and another thing |
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| 14:53.46 | jelly-home | wols_: that however does stop anybody from compiling in the drivers needed to boot |
| 14:53.49 | wols_ | jelly-home: never used that. used suspend |
| 14:53.50 | timewriter | i cant mount ntfs partitions , using the 2.6.18 kernel |
| 14:53.51 | jelly-home | doesn't* |
| 14:53.52 | fantomas | Hi. Is ext3 stores filenames in UTF-8 internally? |
| 14:54.05 | wols_ | timewriter: then you are doing something wrong |
| 14:54.29 | fantomas | s/Is/Does/ s/stores/store/ :) |
| 14:54.30 | jelly-home | fantomas: no, it is encoding-agnostic |
| 14:54.34 | timewriter | i dont know what is wrong |
| 14:54.37 | Wyzard | fantomas: ext3 stores filenames in whatever encoding you type them |
| 14:54.48 | fantomas | omg |
| 14:54.49 | timewriter | its the kernel from debian 4.0 installation |
| 14:54.55 | jelly-home | fantomas: filenames are 0-delimited byte sequences, |
| 14:55.10 | wols_ | timewriter: and that can do ntfs and ntfs-3g just fine |
| 14:55.15 | jelly-home | fantomas: interpretation is left to the userspace ;-) |
| 14:55.21 | timewriter | not for me |
| 14:55.26 | fantomas | OMG |
| 14:55.26 | timewriter | ubuntu does |
| 14:55.32 | timewriter | with no problems |
| 14:55.37 | timewriter | but not debian :( |
| 14:55.49 | fantomas | jelly-home: then I was mistaken for so many years :( |
| 14:56.07 | jelly-home | fantomas: good luck renaming your files :-) |
| 14:56.59 | timewriter | anyone can check http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
| 14:57.04 | timewriter | this is how i compiled it |
| 14:57.36 | fantomas | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 15:04.17 | solitude | hmm |
| 15:04.18 | solitude | upgrading didnt break anything, but did do some weird things |
| 15:04.18 | solitude | like...startx on boot and disable vterms |
| 15:05.11 | stew | solitude: they aren't disabled, ctrl-alt-f1 (or f2 f3 f4...) to get to the VTs. '/msg dpkg nodm' if you don't want it to automatically startx |
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| 15:05.42 | E-bola | Do anybody know of a package/script that will mimic the windows recycle bin behavior |
| 15:05.48 | E-bola | i just deleted 4 hours work by mistake :( |
| 15:06.28 | abrotman | libtrash or something like that |
| 15:06.43 | solitude | stew, thats the thing. ctrl-alt-f* doesnt work |
| 15:06.59 | stew | solitude: does running "chvt 1" as root? |
| 15:07.13 | Wyzard | E-bola: Both GNOME and KDE have trashcans where deleted files go by default |
| 15:07.41 | abrotman | assuming you use the gnome/kde delete functions |
| 15:07.52 | E-bola | i mean on cmdline |
| 15:07.55 | E-bola | i only use bash |
| 15:07.56 | SleekSlacker | lol |
| 15:08.01 | SleekSlacker | good job mate |
| 15:08.10 | E-bola | im trying to grep my files back |
| 15:08.15 | E-bola | (test files luckily) |
| 15:08.18 | SleekSlacker | go sleep and come back another 6 hours |
| 15:08.24 | E-bola | but while i can get some parts its far from complete |
| 15:08.25 | Wyzard | E-bola: The Windows recycle bin doesn't do anything for deletions from the command line either |
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| 15:08.57 | solitude | that works |
| 15:08.57 | solitude | then ctrl-alt-f* works |
| 15:08.57 | solitude | until i go to f7, the x session |
| 15:08.57 | solitude | then i cant do it anymore |
| 15:08.57 | solitude | stewn any ideas? |
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| 15:09.02 | SleekSlacker | how did you get some parts of your rmed file ? |
| 15:09.07 | E-bola | grep'd then |
| 15:09.10 | E-bola | from the device |
| 15:09.14 | E-bola | always works in linux |
| 15:09.35 | E-bola | on txtfiles that is |
| 15:09.37 | SleekSlacker | you mean like read the raw bytes from the hdd ? |
| 15:09.52 | E-bola | yes |
| 15:09.53 | SleekSlacker | or ~files |
| 15:09.59 | SleekSlacker | ok |
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| 15:10.07 | SleekSlacker | that's not the same as recycle bin though |
| 15:10.12 | E-bola | far from it |
| 15:10.20 | SleekSlacker | unless you are talking about a norton protected recycle bin :) |
| 15:10.31 | E-bola | you got a better idea? |
| 15:10.34 | E-bola | its an ext3 fs |
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| 15:11.40 | SleekSlacker | E-bola, http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html |
| 15:11.41 | S4nD3r | avidemux is a great edit video tool |
| 15:11.43 | SleekSlacker | sorry mate |
| 15:11.47 | SleekSlacker | I feel sorry for you |
| 15:12.26 | E-bola | SleekSlacker: ? |
| 15:12.31 | E-bola | i know u officialy cant recover files |
| 15:12.36 | E-bola | but yet ive done it lots of times with grep |
| 15:12.40 | E-bola | since i often tend to delete txt files |
| 15:12.51 | E-bola | I got most of what i need now |
| 15:12.53 | SleekSlacker | well that's the only way |
| 15:13.11 | E-bola | can soembody tell me how to take content from line 67 to line 422 from a file and put it into a new file? |
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| 15:13.32 | E-bola | i could use head and tail i guess |
| 15:13.35 | E-bola | is there a simpler way? |
| 15:13.47 | h3sp4wn | Is there any procedures in place to stop ubuntu maintainers (who are also DD's) uploading packages with stupid dependancies (libnss-mdns in the case of sun-java6-bin) |
| 15:14.05 | abrotman | file a bug? |
| 15:14.09 | peter_ | my aptitude see alsa when search, but it cant install it cause it dont find any source, how to install it? |
| 15:15.20 | Wyzard | peter_: "alsa" is a virtual package -- its a name that's provided by other packages, not a real package itself |
| 15:15.35 | jelly-home | timewriter: if you don't want to use initrd, you'll need to figure out which drivers you need to boot the machine, change them from M to Y in the kernel configuration, and rebuild. for a sata machine, this will include support for SCSI, SCSI disks, sata-ahci driver, and your root filesystem (ext3?). I might have forgotten something |
| 15:15.39 | peter_ | Wyzard, I understand, thanks |
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| 15:15.51 | Wyzard | peter_: It's provided by alsa-base |
| 15:15.53 | timewriter | i am compiling it again , in the regular way |
| 15:15.57 | Wyzard | peter_: You might also want alsa-utils |
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| 15:17.07 | peter_ | Wyzard, well, it cant find package also for alsa-base and alsa-utils |
| 15:17.13 | jelly-home | timewriter: whether you use make-kpkg or the "regular" way shouldn't matter, just to include all the needed bits |
| 15:17.19 | solitude | i just did an upgrade from sarge to etch, now i cant use ctrl-alt-f* from within X, any ideas why? |
| 15:17.24 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: already is one :/ (not been touched for ages) - they are gradually polluting Debian (with stuff that is in their base system but not ours) - alsa-utils needing python for something noone uses is another example |
| 15:18.05 | peter_ | Wyzard, I need it for wine, just aptitude install libwine-alsa and work, thanks |
| 15:18.09 | timewriter | ok |
| 15:18.09 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: are they actually deps ? |
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| 15:20.16 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: yes - libnss-mdns is the dep (and that depends on avahi-daemon) |
| 15:20.27 | abrotman | that is a bit crap for java ... |
| 15:22.06 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: umm, have you tried asking on debian-devel? |
| 15:22.09 | blow_fish | is there a native built java package for debian? |
| 15:22.18 | Wyzard | h3sp4wn: I don't see sun-java6-bin depending on libnss-mdns |
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| 15:22.47 | h3sp4wn | Wyzard: http://paste.debian.net/32716 |
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| 15:24.03 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: mailing list ? (probably start a huge flame war but I guess it needs to be sorted out) |
| 15:24.10 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: yes |
| 15:24.25 | Wyzard | h3sp4wn: http://paste.debian.net/32717 |
| 15:24.28 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: well, tone it appropriately ;-) |
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| 15:25.41 | Wyzard | I see no such dependency... where are you getting your Java packages from? |
| 15:25.44 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: apt-cache policy says what on that package? |
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| 15:26.02 | h3sp4wn | Wyzard: Thats the old version |
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| 15:27.02 | carter_ | hello all. I am new to debian and looking for a good source of documentation/howto's |
| 15:27.19 | Wyzard | ah, yes, it's still blocked on amd64 due to some other dependency |
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| 15:27.32 | Wyzard | 6-01-1 has that dependency on my i386 laptop |
| 15:28.11 | timewriter | anyone knows what high resolution timer support does ? |
| 15:28.19 | timewriter | new in 2.6.22 |
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| 15:29.51 | jelly-home | timewriter: support for some hw timers in the mobo chipset. enabling doesn't hurt, and it you have a laptop, enable it |
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| 15:30.37 | alexfranci | hello! can anybody advise me a usb wifi adapter that WORKS on linux? For WORKING i mean that i can use all the channel, monitor mode and that there is a native driver for linux (not disgusting things as ndiswrapper).thank you |
| 15:30.46 | jelly-home | timewriter: correction: if you have a laptop and are concerned about battery usage, you can try enabling it |
| 15:30.52 | timewriter | oh |
| 15:30.55 | timewriter | well i dont need it |
| 15:31.11 | solitude | utorrent if youre happy to use wine / azereus |
| 15:31.19 | solitude | err, wrong window |
| 15:31.33 | solitude | hmm |
| 15:31.38 | Wyzard | jelly-home: How would a high-resolution timer help with battery usage? |
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| 15:31.44 | jelly-home | Wyzard: hehe |
| 15:31.45 | solitude | if i do ctrl=alt-f1, i dont get a console |
| 15:31.47 | Wyzard | jelly: I think you might be confusing it with 2.6.21's tickless idle |
| 15:31.48 | abrotman | alexfranci: maybe ask #wireless |
| 15:32.02 | solitude | in X that is, i get ;7P instead |
| 15:32.07 | alexfranci | abrotman: yes you are right, i am sorry |
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| 15:32.20 | solitude | keyboard problem? |
| 15:32.22 | jelly-home | Wyzard: by making the kernel not use the standard pc clock, saves interrupts |
| 15:32.48 | jelly-home | Wyzard: and yes, it makes sense only with tickless |
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| 15:33.27 | carter_ | can anyone tell me where to find debian howto's? I have been using gentoo which had gentoo-wiki. Is there something similar for debian? |
| 15:33.35 | abrotman | wiki.debian.org? |
| 15:33.37 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 15:33.37 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
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| 15:33.47 | sebastian | abrotman is too quick xP |
| 15:34.05 | alanhaggai | Hi, I am having trouble logging in to the GUI. When I login, it the screen gets cleared and then again the login screen is shown. I tried changing the sessions to: Gnome, KDE and failsafe. But none are working. Using kdm. |
| 15:34.06 | MajorPayne | !unix lessons |
| 15:34.06 | dpkg | unix lessons is, like, (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 15:34.35 | jelly-home | MajorPayne: note the type /msg dpkg ... bit |
| 15:34.35 | solitude | (12) be patient, very patient :D |
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| 15:34.54 | carter_ | thanks, i'll start there |
| 15:35.04 | solitude | this is the only thing on google which is similar to my problem http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2007-June/151277.html |
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| 15:35.14 | solitude | but its on bsd and isnt quite the same |
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| 15:35.22 | solitude | the same symptoms though :?( |
| 15:35.54 | jelly-home | solitude: does running chvt 1 (as root) work? |
| 15:35.58 | solitude | yes, it does |
| 15:36.03 | jelly-home | solitude: are you in X? |
| 15:36.04 | timewriter | well |
| 15:36.12 | solitude | jelly, yes |
| 15:36.13 | timewriter | the NTFS partitions i cant mount |
| 15:36.16 | timewriter | are on another hdd |
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| 15:36.22 | jelly-home | solitude: possibly using xfce? |
| 15:36.22 | timewriter | not on the hdd i have debian |
| 15:36.37 | solitude | jelly? i am using xfce now, yes |
| 15:36.54 | solitude | but cant change console with ctrl-alt-f* |
| 15:36.58 | jelly-home | solitude: something in xfce messes up ctrl-alt-F* bindings for me |
| 15:37.20 | solitude | thing is, it didnt until i upgraded to etch |
| 15:37.28 | solitude | and it also doesnt on the box with a clean etch install |
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| 15:37.35 | solitude | any idea what conf i need to edit? |
| 15:37.50 | jelly-home | solitude: if I knew, I'd fix it here too :-) |
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| 15:37.56 | solitude | hehe |
| 15:38.15 | jelly-home | solitude: probably some X keyboard setting, no idea |
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| 15:38.41 | jelly-home | keyboard configuration in X is hopelessly complicated |
| 15:38.55 | jelly-home | xkb? xmodmap? wtf? |
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| 15:39.28 | alanhaggai | Hi, How can I change the default of kdm to gdm? |
| 15:39.42 | jelly-home | alanhaggai: install gdm. |
| 15:39.55 | alanhaggai | jelly-home, it is installed |
| 15:40.30 | jelly-home | alanhaggai: oh, then dpkg-reconfigure it |
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| 15:40.50 | alanhaggai | jelly-home, what to reconfigure? |
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| 15:41.15 | jelly-home | alanhaggai: any *dm package, gdm will do |
| 15:41.32 | alanhaggai | jelly-home, thank you. I will try now. |
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| 15:41.50 | jubeii | when i installed debian it inx german sources.list...... is there a way to retrieve a us sources.list file. like a standard sources file |
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| 15:42.12 | jelly-home | !tell jubeii about sources.list |
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| 15:43.11 | jelly-home | jubeii: anything wrong with .de mirrors? |
| 15:43.12 | cymon | i'm having a problem with my dual NIC etch box |
| 15:43.45 | cymon | for some reason |
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| 15:44.10 | cymon | even though I have two NIC's, and they are configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:44.14 | cymon | ifup eth1 fails |
| 15:44.44 | jubeii | no it works fine |
| 15:44.44 | massctrl | anyone knows how to automatically bring up a ppp connection when it has been dropped ? |
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| 15:45.02 | Marenz | just try to get into my routers wlan.. i use WPA with pre-shared key... i did ifconfig wlan0 up && iwconfig essid ano mode Managed key restricted <myKEy> but signal quality stays at zero :( |
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| 15:45.12 | jubeii | i just thought odd..... is it supposed to be .de? |
| 15:45.15 | Marenz | iwlist scan shows me my wlan net D: |
| 15:45.31 | Greyscale_ | Hey, I'm on debian unstable. I can't for the life of me understand why pidgin can't install |
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| 15:45.39 | Marenz | do i need to set somewhere my kind of encryption? |
| 15:45.44 | solemnwarning | Does pbuilder create use Debian binary packages or make it's own builds from source archives? |
| 15:46.07 | Greyscale_ | Its crying for a copy of pidgin-data, version (2.0.2-z) |
| 15:46.09 | Greyscale_ | yes, z. |
| 15:46.20 | Greyscale_ | I have pidgin-data 2.0.2-1 installed |
| 15:46.28 | Greyscale_ | fuckup on the package maintainers part? |
| 15:46.29 | cymon | I know both of these NIC's work, and the drivers are being loaded |
| 15:46.29 | solitude | wow |
| 15:46.33 | solitude | this is WEIRD |
| 15:46.40 | solitude | i did apt-get remove xfce4 xorg |
| 15:46.45 | solitude | it shows the packages as removed |
| 15:46.53 | solitude | but startx works and dumps me into xfce |
| 15:46.54 | cymon | how do I bind an interface like eth1 to a specific card? |
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| 15:47.21 | Greyscale_ | Anyone? |
| 15:47.54 | solemnwarning | Greyscale_: That's one hell of a screwup |
| 15:47.59 | Greyscale_ | Sounds like it |
| 15:48.08 | Greyscale_ | He probably put z as a placeholder, then forgot |
| 15:48.20 | cymon | ? |
| 15:48.32 | Greyscale_ | pidgin depends on 2.0.2-z |
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| 15:48.36 | Greyscale_ | and not 2.0.2-1 |
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| 15:49.23 | Greyscale_ | Maintainer: Robert McQueen <robot101@debian.org> |
| 15:49.30 | Pencil | hey, would i have to keep my netinst cd inside my box at all times? |
| 15:49.33 | abrotman | Greyscale_: are you using sid/unstable ? |
| 15:49.36 | abrotman | Pencil: no |
| 15:49.36 | Greyscale_ | Depends: pidgin-data (>= 2.0.1), pidgin-data (<< 2.0.1-z) <-- what the crap |
| 15:49.39 | Greyscale_ | abrotman, yeah |
| 15:49.43 | abrotman | !depends pidgin sid |
| 15:49.44 | Pencil | i was trying to install SSH, it wouldn't let me. |
| 15:49.52 | abrotman | Pencil: paste your sources somewhere |
| 15:49.53 | abrotman | !paste |
| 15:49.53 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 15:49.58 | Greyscale_ | because otherwise, some fuckup in the kernel prevents it talking to the external harddisk |
| 15:50.08 | Pencil | it asked for the netinst cd, and it said it was unable to recieve some archives etc etc. |
| 15:50.19 | Greyscale_ | it was a minor bug, someone submitted patches and it only made it into the .20 release |
| 15:50.25 | dpkg | pidgin: depends on pidgin-data (>= 2.0.1), pidgin-data (<< 2.0.1-z), libavahi-compat-howl0 (>= 0.6.0), libc6 (>= 2.5-5), libcairo2 (>= 1.4.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 0.94), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.73), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.12), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.10.3), libgtkspell0 (>= 2.0.2), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libncursesw5 (>= 5.4-5), libnspr4-0d (>= 1.8.0.10), libnss3-0d (>= 1.8.0.10), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.16.4), libperl5.8 (>= 5.8.8), ... |
| 15:50.25 | Greyscale_ | <-- .21 here |
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| 15:50.39 | Marenz | just try to get into my routers wlan.. i use WPA with pre-shared key... i did ifconfig wlan0 up && iwconfig essid ano mode Managed key restricted <myKEy> but signal quality stays at zero :( . iwlist scan lists my network.. |
| 15:50.52 | Greyscale_ | The version of pidgin-data I have is 2.0.2-1 |
| 15:50.56 | Greyscale_ | hmm |
| 15:50.58 | Pencil | any ideas? |
| 15:51.15 | Greyscale_ | Pencil, whats the issue? |
| 15:51.16 | Pencil | i typed in apt-get install ssh, and it said there were missing archives. |
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| 15:51.49 | Pencil | it asked for my netinst cd too. |
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| 15:51.58 | Greyscale_ | its not "ssh" |
| 15:52.01 | Greyscale_ | thats ubuntonian |
| 15:52.01 | cymon | did you check sources.list to make sure you're getting it from the debian web archive |
| 15:52.05 | abrotman | Pencil: we need to see your sources |
| 15:52.08 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 15:52.08 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 15:52.10 | Pencil | i dont have them. |
| 15:52.10 | Greyscale_ | firstly, edit sources.list to drop the CD |
| 15:52.12 | Pencil | OH. |
| 15:52.17 | Greyscale_ | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:52.21 | Pencil | i can't send it directly here, its on a seperate box with no internet. |
| 15:52.21 | cymon | comment out the apt-cdrom line |
| 15:52.26 | Greyscale_ | and then try installing "openssl-server" |
| 15:52.26 | Pencil | but i did change one of the sources. |
| 15:52.27 | Greyscale_ | I think |
| 15:52.28 | Greyscale_ | hold |
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| 15:52.36 | solemnwarning | No.... internet? |
| 15:52.38 | Pencil | i pulled the internet out. |
| 15:52.39 | abrotman | Pencil: just comment out the CD source line .. aptitude update .. try again |
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| 15:52.43 | solemnwarning | And you used NETINSTALL!? |
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| 15:52.52 | Pencil | no its temporary |
| 15:52.54 | Greyscale_ | openssh-server |
| 15:53.10 | Greyscale_ | Pencil, why in gods name are you installing SSH on a non-networked machine? |
| 15:53.16 | Pencil | ITS TEMPORARY. |
| 15:53.21 | Greyscale_ | What is? |
| 15:53.24 | Greyscale_ | The lack of internet? |
| 15:53.25 | Marenz | ^^ |
| 15:53.26 | Pencil | having no internet |
| 15:53.26 | Pencil | yeah |
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| 15:53.29 | Greyscale_ | Ah. |
| 15:53.30 | Greyscale_ | OK. |
| 15:53.32 | Pencil | i ran out of ports on my router |
| 15:53.34 | cymon | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.42 | Greyscale_ | Pencil, unplug one for a few minuites :P |
| 15:53.48 | Greyscale_ | apt-get install openssh-server |
| 15:53.55 | Pencil | gotcha i modified one of my sources though |
| 15:53.57 | Pencil | i was reading the manual |
| 15:54.04 | ynezz | hello, on debian, exim 4.63 I would like to setup correct exim banner to 'smtp_banner = $smtp_active_hostname ESMTP ready', where 'smtp_active_hostname = ${if eq{$received_ip_address}{host1.domain}{host2.domain2}} -- I have put this into end of '/etc/exim4/conf.d/main/02_exim4-config_options' file and why I try to restart exim I get warning 'unknown variable name "received_ip_address"' |
| 15:54.04 | Pencil | and i added another security update thing |
| 15:54.05 | Greyscale_ | after removing the CD lines from /etc/apt/sources.list and doing apt-get update |
| 15:54.14 | Pencil | gotcha |
| 15:54.18 | Pencil | CD lines? |
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| 15:54.41 | solemnwarning | 'pbuilder create' creates a chroot system using Debian binary packages, right? |
| 15:54.47 | Pencil | ah gotcha |
| 15:54.48 | Greyscale_ | yeah, the lines of the sources.list that refers to a cd. |
| 15:54.48 | Pencil | i removed it |
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| 15:54.56 | Greyscale_ | yeah, good. |
| 15:54.58 | Pencil | brb |
| 15:55.02 | Pencil | i have to unplug this lmfao. |
| 15:55.03 | Greyscale_ | buy a new router ;P |
| 15:55.09 | Greyscale_ | see you on the other side? |
| 15:55.10 | Pencil | its wireless ;] |
| 15:55.12 | Pencil | gotcha |
| 15:55.13 | Greyscale_ | (install xchat) |
| 15:56.38 | cymon | Is there a way to bind a network card to an interface like eth1 |
| 15:56.50 | cymon | sorry to keep asking, but i need to get this fixed |
| 15:57.34 | Marenz | cymon that is done autmatically by the netwrok driver.. |
| 15:57.41 | cymon | yes |
| 15:57.52 | cymon | but the network driver appears to be giving eth0 to two cards |
| 15:57.57 | cymon | which doesn't really help me |
| 15:57.58 | cahoot | cymon, look at /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 15:58.04 | abrotman | cymon: udev rules or ifrename |
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| 15:58.14 | Marenz | just try to get into my routers wlan.. i use WPA with pre-shared key... i did ifconfig wlan0 up && iwconfig essid ano mode Managed key restricted <myKEy> but signal quality stays at zero :( . iwlist scan lists my network.. |
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| 15:58.54 | cymon | thank you |
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| 16:00.18 | tbamr | !beer abrotman |
| 16:01.03 | cymon | so how to you get the PCI id of something to put in the udev file |
| 16:01.16 | cymon | nvm |
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| 16:01.18 | solemnwarning | Is there a way I can create a pbuilder chroot from source packages, not binary? |
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| 16:01.32 | solitude | sweet |
| 16:02.03 | solitude | jelly-home |
| 16:02.03 | solitude | are you here? |
| 16:02.18 | jelly-home | yup |
| 16:02.38 | solitude | In serverlayout, add: Option "DontVTSwitch" "false", Option "DontVTSwitch" "false", Option "DontVTSwitch" "false" to get the vterm switching back |
| 16:02.46 | Greyscale_ | pidgin: Depends: pidgin-data (<2.0.1-z) but 2.0.2-1 is to be installed |
| 16:02.49 | Greyscale_ | I mean, what the hell |
| 16:02.52 | Greyscale_ | should I report this bug? |
| 16:02.55 | abrotman | Greyscale_: apt-cache policy |
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| 16:03.02 | Greyscale_ | because thats a bit of a showstopper |
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| 16:03.37 | abrotman | Greyscale_: ah . i se |
| 16:03.38 | abrotman | see |
| 16:03.41 | jelly-home | solitude: thanks, I wonder why that would default to true |
| 16:04.01 | abrotman | Greyscale_: looks like pidgin 2.0.2 didn't build on all architectures .. that's what you get for running sid |
| 16:04.03 | FBI | ^^ ohi, I'm only 13... I was wondering is I could get someone to tell me the debian package for openssh, I seem to have forgotten |
| 16:04.21 | cymon | damnit debian |
| 16:04.22 | unlink | FBI: openssh-server and openssh-client are two |
| 16:04.31 | jelly-home | FBI: are you also female? :-) |
| 16:04.43 | FBI | possibly, and thank you, unlink |
| 16:04.47 | cymon | stop trying to give eth0 two networks |
| 16:04.47 | solitude | np, I have no idea why. |
| 16:04.47 | solitude | it only happened to me after an upgrade from xfree86 though. |
| 16:04.47 | solitude | debian is weird |
| 16:04.47 | solitude | eg. openssh is not the package name |
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| 16:04.55 | solitude | ssh is the package name for openssh |
| 16:05.04 | Greyscale_ | abrotman, god damn, how can they go "hmm, doesn't work on i386" and then let it go |
| 16:05.16 | abrotman | Greyscale_: it has a freaking bug .. you wanted unstable .. that's what you got |
| 16:05.28 | Greyscale_ | FBI - openssh-server is the deamon. And I'm 17/ |
| 16:05.37 | Greyscale_ | I started messing with loonax at 14 :) |
| 16:05.47 | Greyscale_ | abrotman, :/ |
| 16:06.04 | Greyscale_ | why couldn't they have left the older version until it bloody worked *reasonably* |
| 16:06.09 | jelly-home | abrotman: but... pidgin 2.0.2 is MISSION CRITICAL |
| 16:06.12 | solitude | because its "unstabl" |
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| 16:06.15 | solitude | +e |
| 16:06.15 | Greyscale_ | I thought that was experimentals job not to work in the firstplace |
| 16:06.20 | subx | how can i view how many tickets are left in a unstable debian package? |
| 16:06.21 | abrotman | jelly-home: depends how you think about it :) |
| 16:06.23 | Greyscale_ | pidgin is kinda important, yaknow. |
| 16:06.26 | jelly-home | Greyscale_: negative on that |
| 16:06.28 | cymon | anyone have two identical net cards they could send me? |
| 16:06.36 | abrotman | Greyscale_: then don't freaking use unstable |
| 16:06.37 | Greyscale_ | cymon, no |
| 16:06.41 | jelly-home | Greyscale_: experimental is for stuff that is known to be broken |
| 16:06.44 | Greyscale_ | abrotman, otherwise everything else is broken |
| 16:06.50 | abrotman | subx: bugs.debian.org/package |
| 16:06.53 | subx | thanks |
| 16:06.53 | Greyscale_ | jelly-home, SO WHY ISN'T PIDGIN IN IT!? |
| 16:06.57 | abrotman | !why is foo not in testing |
| 16:06.57 | dpkg | foo is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=foo |
| 16:07.07 | solitude | !why is bar not in testiong |
| 16:07.07 | dpkg | solitude: what are you talking about? |
| 16:07.08 | abrotman | Greyscale_: this is your own doing |
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| 16:07.10 | Greyscale_ | also: cymon ebuyer has 3 for £12 in P&P if that halps. |
| 16:07.23 | alexfranci | Greyscale_: can't you use gaim? |
| 16:07.26 | jelly-home | Greyscale_: because it works on other arches? |
| 16:07.30 | Greyscale_ | abrotman, okay, so, now wifi and disk work, but not pidgin |
| 16:07.32 | solitude | gaim is nasty |
| 16:07.37 | Nyle | kopete rocks |
| 16:07.41 | abrotman | Greyscale_: use another client temporarily ? |
| 16:07.44 | Nyle | qt ftw |
| 16:07.45 | Greyscale_ | alexfranci, because gaim is just a symlink to pidgin now |
| 16:07.47 | solitude | irssi = win? |
| 16:07.48 | Greyscale_ | abrotman, :/ |
| 16:07.51 | Greyscale_ | I guess I have to. |
| 16:07.53 | tbamr | Greyscale_, how hard is ./configure && make && make install ? |
| 16:08.01 | Greyscale_ | tbamr, *shudder* |
| 16:08.05 | abrotman | tbamr: don't tell him to do that |
| 16:08.14 | Greyscale_ | I'll end up breaking MORE Things |
| 16:08.15 | tbamr | why abrotman ? |
| 16:08.18 | tbamr | haha |
| 16:08.20 | jelly-home | abrotman: he didn't, he just asked how hard it was |
| 16:08.31 | solitude | why? isnt that the proper way if apt doesnt work? |
| 16:08.33 | Greyscale_ | tbamr, and usually, shit goes BOOM |
| 16:08.44 | abrotman | Greyscale_: you could get the package you need from snapshot.debian.net |
| 16:08.45 | Greyscale_ | and if that actually worked, why doesn't it exist in unstable yet? |
| 16:08.49 | tbamr | Greyscale_, shouldn't be a hassle if you got the right packages installed |
| 16:09.01 | Greyscale_ | tbamr, well the maintainer couldn't do it. |
| 16:09.05 | Greyscale_ | What makes you think I could? |
| 16:09.07 | abrotman | god damn it .. it failed to build |
| 16:09.07 | Greyscale_ | :P |
| 16:09.16 | tbamr | Greyscale_, well, i did it so could you. |
| 16:09.17 | jelly-home | solitude: the default install of some random app might mess up the current configuration of the packaged one |
| 16:09.18 | tbamr | :) |
| 16:09.29 | solitude | tbamr, at any point were you a slackware user? |
| 16:09.37 | tbamr | solitude, no |
| 16:09.43 | solitude | :P |
| 16:10.00 | abrotman | hell .. it appears they didn't even try an i386 build yet |
| 16:10.20 | jelly-home | who cares about i386 anyway |
| 16:10.23 | tbamr | haha |
| 16:10.35 | cahoot | pidgin stalled? intarweb at its knees |
| 16:10.47 | jelly-home | film at 11 |
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| 16:12.00 | Nyle | hey |
| 16:12.07 | Greyscale_ | abrotman, ... |
| 16:12.10 | Cromag | !dk |
| 16:12.10 | dpkg | somebody said dk was Hvis du vil tale dansk og få hjælp til debian, skriv /join #linux.dk in your irc client, also the country Denmark |
| 16:12.12 | Nyle | what film? |
| 16:12.16 | subx | would somone mind fixing this package for me :) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=zoneminder&archive=no&version=&dist=unstable |
| 16:12.25 | Greyscale_ | the hell... seeing as i386 is most common for desktops, why isn't that the priority? |
| 16:12.26 | Nyle | subx: no |
| 16:12.31 | subx | hehe :p |
| 16:12.31 | solitude | ok, i have a weird one now: |
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| 16:12.32 | jelly-home | Nyle: :-) |
| 16:12.35 | Greyscale_ | LETS GET PIDGIN WORKING ON 68k FIRST |
| 16:12.44 | Nyle | jelly-home: my main dude man homie bro whats up |
| 16:12.55 | jelly-home | Nyle: the sky? |
| 16:12.59 | solitude | I get the message: "Quitting the session requires Xfce's session manager to be running " but the session is already running :s |
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| 16:13.16 | Nyle | jelly-home: awe c'mon man, we're not in middle school. whats up whats up! |
| 16:13.28 | abrotman | Greyscale_: maybe the buildd is backed up? |
| 16:13.32 | jelly-home | Nyle: ummm... 4 non blondes? |
| 16:13.36 | Nyle | solitude: did you save your session |
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| 16:13.44 | Nyle | jelly-home: whoah what now |
| 16:13.53 | Greyscale_ | abrotman, what? |
| 16:13.54 | cymon | thanks for the help |
| 16:13.56 | cymon | it works |
| 16:14.09 | Greyscale_ | why can't I use force-version anyway to get the older one? |
| 16:14.13 | Greyscale_ | Thats just fucktarded. |
| 16:14.14 | Nyle | solitude: what happens when you try to log out of X using the buttons on xfce4 panel |
| 16:14.31 | solitude | yup! |
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| 16:14.43 | Greyscale_ | BudgetDedicated, :P |
| 16:14.45 | solitude | i use ctrl-alt-bacspace |
| 16:14.50 | jelly-home | solitude: is xfce4-session running? |
| 16:14.51 | solitude | but i want to fix this out of principle :p |
| 16:14.52 | Greyscale_ | solitude, that restarts X. |
| 16:14.54 | solitude | jelly ,yes |
| 16:15.19 | jelly-home | solitude: this is why I use xfce from testing or even unstable :-| |
| 16:15.25 | abrotman | http://buildd.debian.org/stats/?arch=i386&state=Needs-Build |
| 16:15.35 | abrotman | pidgin is there |
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| 16:16.02 | solitude | jelly, this is all supposedly stable :S |
| 16:16.10 | Nyle | I use kubuntu atm, and sid on my laptop, and etch on my servers, but on my desks/laps I run etch/sid |
| 16:16.12 | solitude | ive had more problems with etch as stable than anything else |
| 16:16.18 | solitude | more than vista |
| 16:16.24 | Nyle | one kubuntu, but anyway, kde is mucho grande imo |
| 16:16.25 | jelly-home | solitude: yes, stable does not mean bugless |
| 16:16.33 | solitude | they rolled out a half finished release |
| 16:16.35 | solitude | true |
| 16:16.51 | jelly-home | solitude: IME 4.4.1 (from testing) is a bit less buggy that 4.4rc2 (what debian calls 4.3.99.2, and what stable has) |
| 16:16.53 | Nyle | jelly-home: its bugless till we find bugs |
| 16:16.57 | solitude | :p |
| 16:17.03 | Greyscale_ | stable means "you're not a moron for installing this on a server" |
| 16:17.06 | solitude | quite possible jelly |
| 16:17.15 | solitude | any idea how to fix this then? |
| 16:17.21 | solitude | basically, its running, but xfce doesnt see it |
| 16:17.24 | Greyscale_ | OH. JESUS. PRICED. I found a sarge install CD D: |
| 16:17.31 | solitude | i have one of those |
| 16:17.33 | solitude | i made one today |
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| 16:17.38 | Greyscale_ | O_o |
| 16:17.41 | Greyscale_ | what the hell for? |
| 16:17.46 | Greyscale_ | thats old-stable |
| 16:17.47 | Nyle | I have a sarge/testing laptop |
| 16:17.48 | solitude | the etch installer is borked |
| 16:17.55 | Nyle | thats before sarge was stable |
| 16:17.55 | solitude | it doesnt work on some ld machines |
| 16:17.55 | Greyscale_ | I think jesus had sandles that ran on sarge |
| 16:17.55 | jelly-home | solitude: Does it happen every time? |
| 16:18.01 | solitude | old* |
| 16:18.02 | Nyle | and I have woody on a box but its my closet |
| 16:18.07 | Nyle | in* |
| 16:18.09 | solitude | jelly-home, yes |
| 16:18.19 | jelly-home | solitude: i'd take a look at backports.org to see if there's ... a backport |
| 16:18.26 | Szeraax | iv'e got dos, 6.22 on abox in my closet... |
| 16:18.40 | Nyle | I use xfce on sid and I have not experienced any problems |
| 16:18.52 | solitude | heres the kicker |
| 16:18.55 | jelly-home | solitude: depending on what else you use the machine for, upgrading to testing might be advised |
| 16:19.04 | Nyle | and i doubt stable packages of xfce has problems either, i mean, its in stable |
| 16:19.08 | solitude | this will be my web/ssh/ftp server :p |
| 16:19.17 | Nyle | solitude: stable only |
| 16:19.18 | jelly-home | solitude: oh, don't do it, then :-) |
| 16:19.22 | solitude | it works fine on a clean install, but not on an upgrade :S |
| 16:19.31 | solitude | but i cant do a cleaninstall, as etch's installer is a POS |
| 16:19.35 | jelly-home | Nyle: xfce in stable is buggy as hell |
| 16:19.40 | Nyle | really? |
| 16:19.41 | Greyscale_ | What other IM client shall I do in the meantime? |
| 16:19.46 | solitude | really Nyle |
| 16:19.47 | jelly-home | Nyle: yarly |
| 16:19.48 | Nyle | jelly-home: what do you mean buggy |
| 16:19.51 | solitude | Greyscale_, irssi |
| 16:19.53 | abrotman | Greyscale_: which protcol |
| 16:19.54 | solitude | like all sane people |
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| 16:20.04 | Greyscale_ | solitude, god damn, I use xchat damnyou |
| 16:20.07 | solitude | :p |
| 16:20.09 | Nyle | irssi != IM client |
| 16:20.13 | solitude | it is! |
| 16:20.17 | Nyle | it is irc client |
| 16:20.18 | solitude | you can use blitlbee |
| 16:20.20 | Greyscale_ | abrotman, msn/yahoo/gtalk |
| 16:20.21 | Nyle | not IM |
| 16:20.21 | solitude | and make it do msn too |
| 16:20.27 | solitude | and gtalk |
| 16:20.34 | solitude | irssi can be made to do gtalk and msn |
| 16:20.38 | abrotman | !info gabber |
| 16:20.39 | dpkg | gabber: (A GNOME Jabber client), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.8.8-9 (sid), Packaged size: 1646 kB, Installed size: 4720 kB |
| 16:20.40 | Nyle | you can make stick figures out of dried poop |
| 16:20.44 | Nyle | but its not a good idea is it |
| 16:20.49 | jelly-home | Nyle: ask solitude or look at their bugzilla. among other stuff, a good number of mem.leaks were fixed between 4.4rc2 and 4.4.1 |
| 16:20.49 | solitude | ah, but this works *well* |
| 16:21.03 | Nyle | hmm |
| 16:21.09 | solitude | gneh |
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| 16:21.17 | solitude | i havent fixed so many problems ... ever |
| 16:21.18 | Nyle | jelly-home: so its an upstream problem |
| 16:21.20 | solitude | etch is evil |
| 16:21.20 | abrotman | Greyscale_: or get the 2.0.1 package from snapshot.debian.net |
| 16:21.28 | Nyle | jelly-home: its not a problem with debian packages |
| 16:21.29 | solitude | i have an idea |
| 16:21.32 | h3sp4wn | Nyle: Not really |
| 16:21.37 | Nyle | solitude: why not backport it yourself |
| 16:21.37 | jelly-home | Nyle: that doesn't change the fact that it's buggy as hell |
| 16:21.38 | solitude | apt-get remove xfce4 |
| 16:21.39 | solitude | brb |
| 16:22.34 | solitude | Nyle, im lazy |
| 16:22.34 | solitude | and xfce isnt that important to me |
| 16:22.34 | solitude | it was just a think that was annoying me on princlple |
| 16:22.45 | jelly-home | solitude: there's #debian-xfce, maybe they know of a backport somewhere |
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| 16:23.00 | Nyle | jelly-home: you're right |
| 16:23.00 | h3sp4wn | Nyle: How can upstream be blamed for a release candidate not being stable (they didn't even release it as stable yet) |
| 16:23.00 | Nyle | h3sp4wn: I do'nt keep up with xfce |
| 16:23.00 | Greyscale_ | abrotman, I need 2.0.2 |
| 16:23.00 | Nyle | I only use kde |
| 16:23.00 | Nyle | i dunno wtf they release or not release |
| 16:23.00 | Greyscale_ | If you can find me a .deb, I will love you long time |
| 16:23.00 | Nyle | but to fix your problem, backport packages where the bugs were fixed |
| 16:23.00 | Nyle | simple enough eh |
| 16:23.00 | Greyscale_ | nvm, done |
| 16:23.10 | Nyle | solitude: so use something else |
| 16:23.10 | solitude | jelly. thanks :) |
| 16:23.13 | abrotman | Greyscale_: no .. you need 2.0.1 |
| 16:23.16 | Nyle | try kde |
| 16:23.17 | solitude | Nyle, yes :p |
| 16:23.19 | solitude | NO |
| 16:23.19 | Greyscale_ | O_o |
| 16:23.21 | solitude | KDE is bad |
| 16:23.22 | gcosmin_ | can some one give me a list.source exemple couse i cant find a good one |
| 16:23.24 | Greyscale_ | but everything else is 2.0.2 |
| 16:23.24 | Nyle | you're bad! |
| 16:23.28 | Nyle | kde is good |
| 16:23.28 | solitude | YES I AM |
| 16:23.34 | Greyscale_ | hehehe, cue the WM wars |
| 16:23.35 | gcosmin_ | and i try for 3 hour to configure it |
| 16:23.35 | solitude | kde3,5 is horrible |
| 16:23.37 | abrotman | Greyscale_: except the one part .. so roll the whole thing back to 2.0.1 |
| 16:23.43 | Nyle | no it isn't |
| 16:23.44 | Greyscale_ | ... |
| 16:23.46 | gcosmin_ | and i get all caind of err |
| 16:23.47 | Nyle | you're horrible |
| 16:23.48 | Greyscale_ | thats like.. work |
| 16:23.49 | jelly-home | KDE is too bloated for my .5GB machine |
| 16:23.55 | solitude | nyle, it is to me |
| 16:24.00 | solitude | and im the one using the machine |
| 16:24.00 | solitude | :p |
| 16:24.02 | Nyle | you're too bloated! kde is fine. /me cries |
| 16:24.03 | solitude | ill use enlightenment |
| 16:24.08 | solitude | or blackbox |
| 16:24.18 | jelly-home | Nyle: I'm not! I'm big boned. |
| 16:24.24 | Nyle | oh man i haven't seen/used enlightenment since like redhat 6.2 |
| 16:24.26 | Nyle | wow |
| 16:24.32 | solitude | bah |
| 16:24.35 | solitude | its a server |
| 16:24.37 | solitude | ill use blackbox |
| 16:24.42 | solitude | because its "133" |
| 16:24.46 | jelly-home | solitude: remove X. |
| 16:24.50 | solitude | (almost, but not quite leet" |
| 16:24.54 | jelly-home | after all, it's a server |
| 16:24.59 | abrotman | Greyscale_: well .. then you'll have to wait .. the package you need it in wanna-build .. so it might be fixed by the end of the day or maybe tomorrow |
| 16:24.59 | Nyle | my servers have no reason to run X |
| 16:24.59 | solitude | exactly |
| 16:25.03 | solitude | hmm |
| 16:25.05 | solitude | also very true |
| 16:25.08 | solitude | ... |
| 16:25.12 | solitude | ok |
| 16:25.17 | solitude | thats FUCKED up |
| 16:25.17 | Nyle | !enter |
| 16:25.17 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying, and scrolls our windows extraneously. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. We'll be more inclined to help you if you are considerate! |
| 16:25.17 | jelly-home | !remove x |
| 16:25.18 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
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| 16:25.29 | solitude | thanks, |
| 16:25.44 | solitude | sorry Nyle, got excited :p |
| 16:25.51 | Nyle | no worried |
| 16:25.58 | Nyle | it just gets annoying no biggie |
| 16:25.59 | Greyscale_ | I shall wait 48 hours before I go after heads. |
| 16:26.04 | solitude | i did remove Xorg and xfce4, then did startx, and .... i was booted back to xfce4 |
| 16:26.09 | Greyscale_ | I DEMAND VENGANCE >:( |
| 16:26.11 | Greyscale_ | :P |
| 16:26.18 | solitude | linux makes me cry |
| 16:26.24 | gcosmin_ | can som one help me with source list pls? |
| 16:26.26 | jelly-home | solitude: that's normal |
| 16:26.29 | solitude | at least if i remove in windows, its damn well gone :( |
| 16:26.36 | solitude | jelly, srsl? |
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| 16:26.44 | solitude | i havent been a deban userfor long :p |
| 16:26.50 | jelly-home | solitude: the making you cry bit, I mean |
| 16:26.54 | solitude | oh |
| 16:26.55 | abrotman | Greyscale_: you could get the source package and try to build it yourself |
| 16:26.55 | solitude | yeah |
| 16:26.56 | Nyle | !tell gcosmin_ -about sources |
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| 16:27.00 | solitude | wel, slackware made me smile :) |
| 16:27.33 | solitude | it only did what i asked it to, nothing more. |
| 16:27.33 | Greyscale_ | abrotman, yeah, that sounds fun. :/ |
| 16:27.33 | abrotman | Greyscale_: alternately .. don't run unstable |
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| 16:27.43 | abrotman | !tell gcosmin_ about sources.list |
| 16:27.51 | Greyscale_ | abrotman, and then my wifi and ext disk don't work. |
| 16:28.11 | abrotman | Greyscale_: oh well .. |
| 16:28.14 | solitude | O_o |
| 16:28.17 | jelly-home | solitude: if you had used aptitude instead of apt-get to install and remove xfce4, that would have worked. As it is, you've only removed the umbrella package named "xfce4", but all the real stuff is still on the system |
| 16:28.41 | solitude | jelly, i did apt-get remove apititude :p |
| 16:28.41 | Nyle | so apt-get --purge remove xfce4* |
| 16:28.47 | solitude | i did |
| 16:29.05 | solitude | mainly because i had apt-get before, and mixing apt-get and aptitude is probably a bad idea |
| 16:29.14 | Nyle | i use aptitude |
| 16:29.30 | jelly-home | solitude: try apt-get remove libxfce4util4 libxfcegui4-4 libxfce4mcs-client3 libxfce4mcs-manager3 |
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| 16:30.38 | solitude | hmm |
| 16:30.40 | Nyle | hey |
| 16:30.50 | Nyle | is there a donky kong clone or something for linux |
| 16:30.53 | solitude | jelly, it claims that only util is installed, and the rest are not. |
| 16:30.55 | Nyle | open source type |
| 16:31.11 | jelly-home | solitude: might be called a bit differently, I'm on testing |
| 16:31.15 | solitude | ah |
| 16:31.17 | solitude | hmm |
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| 16:31.28 | solitude | how can i just search for installed packaged with xfce in them? |
| 16:31.33 | lontra | Nyle, you could get a donkey kong rom and use xmame |
| 16:31.36 | solitude | packaged& |
| 16:31.37 | jelly-home | solitude: basically remove all the dpkg -l libxfce\* |grep ^.i |
| 16:31.44 | Nyle | lontra: is that legal? |
| 16:31.45 | jelly-home | !tell solitude about search |
| 16:31.50 | solitude | jelly, that command exactly? |
| 16:31.53 | lontra | Nyle, yes if you owe a copy of the ROM |
| 16:31.58 | Nyle | lontra: but I don't |
| 16:31.59 | lontra | own |
| 16:32.06 | lontra | Nyle, well then it's not legal |
| 16:32.14 | Nyle | but I really want to play donky kong |
| 16:32.16 | Nyle | :( |
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| 16:32.31 | lontra | Nyle, i'm sure you can find the rom online somewhere or pay for it |
| 16:32.31 | Nyle | I have an old gameboy cart but not a gameboy |
| 16:32.51 | Nyle | maybe I could buy an old gameboy that still takes these carts |
| 16:32.57 | h3sp4wn | Released in 1981 - does copyright not expire after 25 years ? |
| 16:33.12 | jelly-home | solitude: something like COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l|awk '/^.i/&&/xfce/{print $2} |
| 16:33.19 | jelly-home | ' |
| 16:33.37 | Thasp | with modern law you're lucky if a copyright expires in less than 70 years |
| 16:33.54 | Thasp | Nyle: I have 2 old gameboys that will take those carts |
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| 16:34.04 | Thasp | the old big one, the pocket, the color, the advance |
| 16:34.05 | gcosmin_ | i get error key |
| 16:34.09 | Thasp | :] |
| 16:34.10 | Nyle | Thasp: how much? |
| 16:34.14 | Thasp | what game is it that you're trying to play |
| 16:34.17 | DawnLight | is there an applet to configure mouse buttons for x? |
| 16:34.19 | Nyle | donky kong |
| 16:34.20 | Thasp | it's too sentimental :( |
| 16:34.24 | Thasp | I can't sell this |
| 16:34.29 | Thasp | I got this for my 6th birthday |
| 16:34.32 | Nyle | I have a gameboy advance sp |
| 16:34.32 | Thasp | it changed my life for the better |
| 16:34.41 | Thasp | I never had to listen to the priest in church |
| 16:34.45 | gcosmin_ | i get error key on apt-get update |
| 16:34.50 | jelly-home | nycto: isn't donkey kong is a whole series of games? |
| 16:34.55 | jelly-home | err |
| 16:35.04 | jelly-home | Nyle: isn't donkey kong a whole series of games? |
| 16:35.09 | solitude | yes, it is |
| 16:35.16 | Nyle | I was in pakistan, and the only kid with a gameboy in my entire school, and I was cool, and even the little girls liked to hang around me |
| 16:35.21 | Nyle | gameboy kicked ass |
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| 16:35.25 | JeffH | Is there a good newsgroup cache program for Linux? |
| 16:35.37 | Nyle | I remember 3rd grade |
| 16:35.38 | Nyle | hehe |
| 16:35.53 | Nyle | I have a c64 in my moms house |
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| 16:36.01 | Nyle | in the attic |
| 16:36.19 | jelly-home | JeffH: leafnode is most common, probably. There's also nntpcache and other that escape me at present |
| 16:36.31 | Thasp | or the teacher in class |
| 16:36.37 | JeffH | jelly-home: thanks. |
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| 16:37.35 | Nyle | jelly-home: you ever played snes version of donkey kong made by Rareware |
| 16:37.57 | Nyle | jelly-home: the psuedo 3d kind |
| 16:38.13 | jelly-home | Nyle: er, nope, see "* jelly-home only played it on a C64" |
| 16:38.28 | Nyle | Nyle: oh yeah |
| 16:38.31 | Nyle | er.. jelly-home* |
| 16:39.16 | jelly-home | JeffH: I use nntpcache, but it's not really maintained upstream and uses a database with a funny 2GB limit |
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| 16:39.59 | JeffH | jelly-home: was it very complicated to setup/configure? |
| 16:40.17 | jelly-home | JeffH: nope. |
| 16:41.16 | JeffH | hm.. doesn't seem to be in the standard debian etch repository. |
| 16:41.34 | jelly-home | JeffH: jeez, I totally forgot the name |
| 16:41.45 | jelly-home | JeffH: actually, it's called "noffle" |
| 16:41.47 | jelly-home | :-D |
| 16:41.48 | xlotlu | a gnome user please tell me.. what package the debian moreblue desktop background is in? |
| 16:42.04 | MoDaX | xlotlu: desktop-base |
| 16:42.09 | jelly-home | JeffH: s/nntpcache/noffle/ in all my lines :-) |
| 16:42.33 | JeffH | tx |
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| 16:42.54 | xlotlu | MoDaX: thanks |
| 16:44.20 | JeffH | jelly-home: you know if this would keep track of new/read messages? Or is that a client function? I'm trying to figure out how to be able to read news through different clients without having to mark messages read on the 2nd client I use. |
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| 16:46.20 | jelly-home | JeffH: that's a client function |
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| 16:46.30 | JeffH | I was afraid that was the case. |
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| 16:46.59 | jelly-home | JeffH: this only enables you not to have to download the same posts multiple times |
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| 16:47.36 | xingu | and so onto the truly important issue for the day - where can I park the gxine window |
| 16:47.38 | JeffH | ah yeah.. that might at least help. |
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| 16:47.56 | Thasp | is installing debian/lilo onto a raid 1 array made my mdadm a bad idea, or can this work well? |
| 16:48.12 | jelly-home | JeffH: your client may support using (or exporting/importing) in .newsrc format... most command line/curses clients use it |
| 16:48.21 | JeffH | not that I'm subscribed to high volume news groups anyway. |
| 16:48.41 | JeffH | I use firefox on two different OS's |
| 16:48.53 | JeffH | err Thunderbird |
| 16:49.03 | jelly-home | JeffH: hm, can't you just share the profile directory? |
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| 16:49.39 | JeffH | not sure I can do that with OSX/Vista. |
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| 16:50.25 | JeffH | jelly-home: It's not THAT big of a deal.. I'm really just looking for something interesting to do to my server. haha |
| 16:50.53 | JeffH | solitude: what's so funny? |
| 16:51.01 | xingu | JeffH: if you were really crazy you could gate it into an imapd |
| 16:51.04 | solitude | just ... ewww |
| 16:51.18 | xingu | JeffH: one folder per group; I've done that before with exchange, and with cyrus. |
| 16:51.20 | DawnLight | by the time i'm finished bittorrenting the three etch dvds, it'll be ol' old stable |
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| 16:51.29 | jelly-home | JeffH: eh, I'd figure out where the usenet data hides, then rsync it before starting t'bird |
| 16:51.38 | solitude | and how i personally at least, i would take FreeBSD over OSX and XP over vista |
| 16:51.56 | jelly-home | OSX comes with the machine |
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| 16:52.03 | pumpkin0 | what command shows which package a file belongs too ? dpkg -something -something ... ? |
| 16:52.04 | JeffH | solitude: OSX is great.. and Vista lets me run apps that I don't have access to on OSX.. don't see what's bad about that. |
| 16:52.45 | solitude | well, ime, osx is less than great |
| 16:52.46 | jelly-home | isn't there a commercial wine-like virtualization tool for OSX? |
| 16:52.50 | abrotman | -S |
| 16:52.52 | solitude | and windows XP is still more stable than vista |
| 16:53.04 | keith4_ | jelly-home: parallels |
| 16:53.04 | solitude | with better drivers and lower overhead |
| 16:53.14 | jelly-home | keith4: ya, that one |
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| 16:53.18 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 16:53.27 | JeffH | solitude: that's funny.. what's less than great about OSX? Lemme guess.. cause it's not Linux.. |
| 16:53.28 | keith4_ | is there a good reason to use apt-proxy instead of apt-cacher? |
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| 16:53.58 | tbamr | JeffH, osx is based on bsd |
| 16:54.18 | JeffH | tbamr: I'm well aware of that. |
| 16:54.29 | tbamr | awesome! |
| 16:54.39 | pumpkin0 | Are there any big gotachs in using xfce in etch ? I need to slim down this system to a bare, but useable toolset. |
| 16:54.49 | JeffH | just wondering what solitude has against OSX |
| 16:54.49 | jelly-home | keith4_: I _think_ apt-proxy can populate a (partial) mirror |
| 16:55.15 | tbamr | vista is crap. |
| 16:55.15 | solitude | JeffH, n |
| 16:55.16 | solitude | no* |
| 16:55.18 | keith4_ | i've been using apt-cacher for years, for debian and ubuntu, and never really had a problem with it |
| 16:55.31 | keith4_ | in fact, it currently has a 69% hit ratio |
| 16:55.34 | solitude | i dont like OSX, because i dont think you get whast you |
| 16:55.34 | tbamr | !vista |
| 16:55.34 | dpkg | vista is, like, an operating system from microsoft. it's not on topic. |
| 16:55.38 | keith4_ | which is very damn impressive |
| 16:55.39 | solitude | what you pay for* |
| 16:55.44 | jelly-home | keith4_: I've only tried apt-proxy, I think apt-cacher is newer |
| 16:55.53 | keith4_ | i thought it was the other way around? |
| 16:55.57 | solitude | and personally, i have no reason to run it |
| 16:56.13 | abrotman | try #macosx if you want to keep on about it |
| 16:56.22 | jelly-home | keith4_: no idea really, /me checks teh changelogs |
| 16:56.22 | solitude | as well as the fact that ice had some weird errors trying to run X and various unixx apps on OSX |
| 16:57.28 | JeffH | solitude: why would you even bother running X on OSX? |
| 16:57.55 | solitude | because its posix compliant! so its an interesting exercise |
| 16:58.06 | jelly-home | keith4_: first entries in changelogs: apt-cacher 2002, apt-proxy 2000 |
| 16:58.18 | h3sp4wn | solitude: so it windows nt 4 |
| 16:58.23 | JeffH | that seems like being a master painter and doing a paint by color. |
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| 16:58.25 | h3sp4wn | solitude: so is* |
| 16:58.40 | keith4_ | jelly-home: touche |
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| 16:58.59 | jelly-home | keith4_: so, if it works, don't change it :-) |
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| 17:00.19 | jelly-home | probably the working name for in was -v2, that's why it now Conflicts & Replaces it. |
| 17:00.27 | jelly-home | s/in/it/ |
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| 17:02.29 | DawnLight | i'm eating the most hilarious icecream. wheatgrass |
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| 17:03.38 | DawnLight | just makes me laugh |
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| 17:04.26 | DawnLight | yesterday me and my friend took a few bites and just bursted out laughing |
| 17:06.14 | blow_fish | what is the name of the latex metaport? |
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| 17:09.32 | blow_fish | why is it using tetex? |
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| 17:09.41 | blow_fish | shouldn't it be just latex? |
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| 17:09.51 | blow_fish | tetex is dead anyways |
| 17:09.58 | martoss | hi folks |
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| 17:10.26 | pumpkin0 | blow_fish: dead, but dead with a usable license... |
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| 17:10.47 | alvin_lee | Hi. etxh already use alsa right? I have cmedia but can't find anyone package with cmipci module :/ |
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| 17:14.28 | hark | alvin_lee: modprobe snd-cmipci |
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| 17:14.57 | alvin_lee | oops :P thanks hark |
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| 17:15.22 | annkas | how do I partition and format an external harddrive named sda? |
| 17:15.27 | annkas | from console |
| 17:15.47 | keith4_ | fdisk /dev/sda ? |
| 17:15.48 | pumpkin0 | annkas: become root and run "cfdisk /dev/ssda" |
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| 17:15.56 | lusher00 | I am trying to install a binary and its complaining that it cannot find "lablgnomecanvas.cma" Anyone know what that is? |
| 17:16.05 | x_link | Damn it, I found a link testerday that explained how to install the nvidia driver the Debian-Way, but I don't find it anymore. |
| 17:16.07 | annkas | pumpkin0: |
| 17:16.13 | x_link | Does anybody know any link like that? |
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| 17:16.17 | x_link | The one I found were really good. |
| 17:16.21 | annkas | pumpkin0: .... ssda? |
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| 17:16.33 | pumpkin0 | annkas: typo. one s is enough. |
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| 17:16.49 | hark | lusher00: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:17.03 | xingu | !tell x_link about nvidia one-liner |
| 17:17.28 | lusher00 | is that an IRC command? |
| 17:17.31 | hark | x_link: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 17:17.38 | pumpkin0 | lusher00: yes |
| 17:17.50 | foo | Hmm, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade shows an update for php5. I'm kind of hesitant to upgrade, I doubt it'll break anything... hmm, I do apt-cache show php5 and it shows 5.2.0-8+etch4 ... and dpkg -l|grep -i php5 ... shows the same version. If I already have that version, why upgrade? |
| 17:17.51 | DawnLight | lusher00: its a gnome visual library, i think. there is a package. search canvas |
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| 17:18.00 | annkas | pumpkin0: can't open dev/sda |
| 17:18.08 | pumpkin0 | annkas: are you root ? |
| 17:18.20 | annkas | pumpkin0: yes |
| 17:18.31 | pumpkin0 | annkas: does the file exist ? |
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| 17:19.14 | annkas | pumpkin0: I just read dmesg and find out that the device is called sda, I can't mount it when it ois not formatted, or.. |
| 17:19.34 | pumpkin0 | annkas: do you see the file sda in /dev ? |
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| 17:20.14 | DawnLight | x_link: remember we talked about nvidia and beryl? i've bought a new box with a geforce 7600gt but i'm waiting for the beryl-compiz thing |
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| 17:20.51 | pablo_ | hi, does debian have private firmwares or it is 100% open? |
| 17:20.53 | annkas | pumpkin0: no |
| 17:21.32 | pumpkin0 | annkas: the drive is still connected and is still spinning ? Can you get the dmesg-lines into a pastebin ? |
| 17:22.05 | blow_fish | where are tetex doc's located? jeez it's 75mb's |
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| 17:23.41 | h3sp4wn | pablo_: It has them in non-free |
| 17:23.56 | h3sp4wn | pablo_: the ones that are in the upstream kernel also have not been removed |
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| 17:24.27 | IronRoses | I wanna install debian on my intel mac, which dist do I get ppc or i386? |
| 17:24.35 | annkas | pumpkin0: http://embrik.blogspot.com/ |
| 17:24.59 | pumpkin0 | trying to switch from gnome to xfce. i use xdm. How do i tell xdm to start xfce ?? |
| 17:25.00 | pablo_ | h3sp4wn: ddnt understand. They havent been removed? so it has private firmware? |
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| 17:25.23 | hark | foo: you should have php5_5.2.0-8+etch7 |
| 17:25.45 | h3sp4wn | pablo_: yes |
| 17:26.13 | annkas | pumpkin0: didn't know what you ment about pastebin, so I pasted it into my "blog" |
| 17:26.13 | h3sp4wn | pablo_: there is a bug against linux-2.6 that was tagged sarge ignore / etch ignore |
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| 17:26.36 | foo | hark: hmm, okay, that's what I have, hmmm. Is it possible apt-get is recommending an update, but the version of php5 doesn't change? |
| 17:26.42 | pumpkin0 | annkas: that looks like a communication problem between linux and the USB-drive... |
| 17:27.16 | pumpkin0 | annkas: etch, lenny or sid ? |
| 17:27.17 | pablo_ | h3sp4wn: why it hasnt been moved to non-free or something like that? |
| 17:27.33 | annkas | pumpkin0: etch debian-edu |
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| 17:28.20 | h3sp4wn | pablo_: think about it |
| 17:28.38 | pumpkin0 | annkas: check "lsmod" is scsi_mod and usb_storage loaded ? |
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| 17:29.35 | blmartin777 | Is there a way to downgrade from sid to lenny or do I just need to do a new install? |
| 17:29.57 | pablo_ | h3sp4wn: yes for hardware support. That is only on sarge/etch or also on lenny and sid? |
| 17:30.00 | hark | foo: hmm, no it shouldn't |
| 17:30.11 | hark | blmartin777: best to reinstall |
| 17:30.14 | annkas | pumpkin: lsmod |grep scsi gave: scsi_mod 121992 2 sd_mod,usb_storage |
| 17:30.21 | h3sp4wn | pablo_: move the kernel to non-free that is the thing |
| 17:30.39 | pumpkin0 | annkas: are you sure the USB-drive is working ? |
| 17:30.46 | h3sp4wn | pablo_: then the official kernel would have to be kfreebsd or something |
| 17:31.13 | blmartin777 | ok thanks |
| 17:31.16 | h3sp4wn | pablo_: its not fixed |
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| 17:31.46 | blmartin777 | So my next question is if I use lenny can I install one package that is in unstable or does that start to cause problems? |
| 17:31.47 | foo | hark: hmm, should apt-cache show me the latest version that it wants to recommend an update? Hmm |
| 17:32.05 | IronRoses | if I'm installing debian on an intel mac, what image do I need: ppc or 1386? |
| 17:32.16 | annkas | pumpkin0: no, it's new, and never been tested. Myabe I should try it on a windows box? |
| 17:32.18 | pumpkin0 | IronRoses: i386 |
| 17:32.22 | IronRoses | thanks |
| 17:32.36 | pumpkin0 | annkas: USB-HD or flash ? |
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| 17:33.33 | annkas | pumpkin0: USB-HD (Brand: TRUST) |
| 17:33.34 | pablo_ | h3sp4wn: but cant they be removed from the kernel? |
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| 17:33.41 | hark | foo: what does apt-cache policy php5 say? |
| 17:33.44 | nisku86 | Hey there, I have a problem, Ubuntu 7.04 blocks my Fujistu Siemens Laptop without any signs beforehand |
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| 17:33.51 | h3sp4wn | pablo_: that is what the bug(s) are about |
| 17:33.58 | Scurz | nisku86: #ubuntu |
| 17:34.00 | h3sp4wn | pablo_: no one did it yet |
| 17:34.01 | pumpkin0 | nisku86: this is not ubuntu, ask them, not us. |
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| 17:34.30 | nisku86 | oh sorry |
| 17:34.34 | pumpkin0 | annkas: i guess it does not get enough power to start. Test it under windows... |
| 17:34.36 | nisku86 | wrong channel |
| 17:34.38 | foo | hark: ahh, installed: 5.2.0-8+etch4 ... candidate: 5.2.0-8+etch7 ... so, etch4 to etch7 is the difference |
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| 17:35.02 | hark | foo: right, the security update :) |
| 17:35.50 | foo | hark: ah, so that's what that is |
| 17:36.29 | blmartin777 | hark: Can I install a package from sid if I am running lenny or does that cause problems? |
| 17:36.56 | hark | blmartin777: depends, if there are no other dependenices, or you can make a backport |
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| 17:38.09 | blriak | hi |
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| 17:38.20 | piztek | hey |
| 17:38.22 | annkas | pumpkin0: found it, tried another cable.. |
| 17:38.41 | pumpkin0 | annkas: urgh. |
| 17:38.45 | annkas | pumpkin0: written fdisk /dev/sda |
| 17:38.56 | subopt | I accidentally let Etch's automatic update thingie install a new kernel (2.6.18-4-k7), and now my box only sees 1.25 GB of its 2.25 GB of RAM. How do i find and install the nvidia kernel that deals correctly w/2.25 GB of RAM for an Athlon 2200? |
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| 17:40.26 | annkas | pumpkin0: a new dos partition table? Add a new partition? |
| 17:40.58 | pumpkin0 | annkas: i would use cfdisk and create a new partition table with 1 big ext3-partition. |
| 17:41.25 | annkas | pumpkin0: I want windows boxes to read and write to the HD |
| 17:41.37 | pumpkin0 | annkas: make it fat32 and not ext3. |
| 17:42.06 | annkas | pumpkin0: ok |
| 17:42.23 | pumpkin0 | annkas: or NTFS if you are very brave, need files > 4GB and have the latest ntfs-g3 installed. |
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| 17:42.36 | blriak | hey guys i have read the faq etc but i couldnt find an answer. i have installed the ati 9600 linux drivers vom www.ati.com/de. my only problem is the resoulution. the max res. is 1650x1050 but i can onlz use max. 1280.... |
| 17:43.05 | pumpkin0 | blriak: why did you use the broken ati.com drivers and not the perfectly working open-soucre ones ? |
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| 17:43.26 | blmartin777 | is there a specific how to to get the most out of running debian on a laptop. the fan seems to be running a bit more then someother distros I have used? |
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| 17:43.46 | blriak | sorry i didnt know that there a other drivers |
| 17:43.54 | pumpkin0 | blmartin777: depends on the laptop. i get 1 hour more under debian then windows. |
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| 17:44.45 | pumpkin0 | blriak: the driver is called radeon and ships with xorg. |
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| 17:45.33 | annkas | pumpkin0: not brave, I'm a teacher and want it to work always for everybody all the time.. Do I format it afterwards, or do I just mount it? |
| 17:45.56 | pumpkin0 | annkas: first partition, then format, then mount. |
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| 17:46.37 | pumpkin0 | annkas: you will need the dostools to get a formater. (something like mkdosfs...) |
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| 17:47.26 | blriak | pumpkin0: do i have to uninstall the ati drivers? sorry 4 my bad english |
| 17:48.33 | pumpkin0 | blriak: i don't know the current state. last year installing ati.com drivers killed a lot of things (like 3D) and uninstalling made it worse. Since the radeon-driver was propably installed the whole time i would try w/o uninstalling. |
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| 17:49.11 | blmartin777 | pumpkin0: did you do any tweaking? |
| 17:49.20 | pumpkin0 | blmartin777: lots. |
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| 17:50.12 | pumpkin0 | blmartin777: but these tips only apply to PentiumM CPUs with r100-radeon gfx chips on thinkpads. So what do you have ? |
| 17:50.18 | daveriver | hello all |
| 17:50.50 | blmartin777 | pumpkin0: I have a amd athlon-xp and a ati u1 |
| 17:51.06 | daveriver | what is the command again to mount a windows partition on linux, it is a fat32 |
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| 17:51.23 | pumpkin0 | blmartin777: ati u1 ? i don't know that one.. |
| 17:51.36 | premier_ | how do I delete a file that has permissions root:root r--r--r--? |
| 17:51.38 | nevaways2k7 | mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/foo |
| 17:51.51 | daveriver | ty |
| 17:51.52 | blmartin777 | pumpkin0: I have always used gentoo so I am still trying to learn Debian |
| 17:51.57 | pumpkin0 | premier_: as root: rm -f /file |
| 17:52.12 | blmartin777 | pumpkin0: there is another name for my graphics card but I cant remember |
| 17:52.30 | pumpkin0 | blmartin777: what driver are you using ? www.ati.com or opensoucre ? |
| 17:52.41 | blmartin777 | just opensource |
| 17:52.48 | premier_ | pumpkin0: I can't... its read only, even for root |
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| 17:53.10 | blmartin777 | pumpkin0: This laptop is from about 2002 |
| 17:53.28 | pumpkin0 | blmartin777: you should look for rovclock (not in debian, very useful) or dynclocks in the xorg setting (if you want to play games and save power) |
| 17:53.42 | pumpkin0 | premier_: "chmod 777 /file" ? |
| 17:54.01 | daveriver | nevaways2k7: sry I just checked it is ntfs, so I just change the vfat to ntfs correct? |
| 17:54.23 | blmartin777 | pumpkin0: I am not a gamer so that isn't a big concern for me, but thanks. Just trying to learn a new system |
| 17:54.52 | pumpkin0 | blmartin777: do you already have dynamic CPU frequency enabled ? |
| 17:55.33 | blmartin777 | I am not sure I just did a base install with the k7 amd kernel in apt and I am trying sid |
| 17:56.08 | pumpkin0 | blmartin777: sid ? oh, good luck. check /proc/cpuinfo. Does it always show the same frequency or is it changing with CPU-load ? |
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| 17:57.30 | blmartin777 | pumpkin0: yeah I am thinking about reinstalling and going to lenny but yes dynamic cdu frequency is enabled |
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| 17:58.18 | annkas | I want to format a hd /dev/sda, what do I write? |
| 17:58.24 | lymeca | Where can I find out what is preventing Gnash 0.8.0 from entering sid even though it's been uploaded for review by FTP masters for weeks? |
| 17:59.09 | annkas | what do I write to format a hd? |
| 17:59.47 | lymeca | annkas: It depends on how you want it partitioned and what filesystem you want to use. If you have X11 running I recommend using GParted which makes partitioning and formatting much easier in the GUI. Run it as root though. |
| 17:59.49 | nevaways2k7 | what filesystem do you want to use? |
| 18:00.07 | blriak | thank you 4 the great support / hace a nice daz |
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| 18:00.20 | annkas | lymeca: I've partitioned it in one partition fat32 |
| 18:00.38 | lymeca | annkas: So the partition should be located at /dev/sda1 |
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| 18:00.47 | lymeca | mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 should do the trick |
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| 18:01.15 | lymeca | I'd still recommend checking out GParted though. |
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| 18:01.36 | Ares | New sploit for linux kernel 2.6.21 released today !! http://www.idpz.net/ares/sploit_linux2.6.21-2 |
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| 18:08.54 | Pencil | i gotta admit the debian gui is pretty clean. |
| 18:09.17 | alaya | the "debian gui" is whatever you want it to be |
| 18:09.33 | alaya | i.e your favorite desktop environment/window manager |
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| 18:09.53 | Pencil | haha yeah its nice |
| 18:10.09 | xingu | why limit yourself to just one? go multihead/multikeyboard |
| 18:10.11 | stopher | good morning all |
| 18:10.21 | Pencil | haha, because im not planning on using the gui anymore =P |
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| 18:11.13 | JRWR | ive got a HD, that is on a IDE controller that mt bios wont boot off of, and ive got a windows HD on the BIOS controller, how would i go about booting the HD on the IDE controller (ITE8212) |
| 18:11.16 | Pencil | hey whats the command to findout the IP of my box? |
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| 18:11.46 | foutrelis | Pencil: ifconfig |
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| 18:11.49 | JRWR | Pencil: ifconfig eth0 should work |
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| 18:12.08 | Pencil | gotcha thanks |
| 18:12.19 | xingu | ip addr show |
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| 18:14.04 | stopher | I need to add a main source for aptitude, as I only have cd1 and security sources listed. What do I need to put into the sources file for this? When I open sources it opens as readonly |
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| 18:15.02 | hark | stopher: you need to be root to edit it. /msg dpkg sources.list ; /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 18:15.13 | premier_ | I have a file that has permissions root:root r--r--r-- and even root can't touch it... actually, I might boot into windows because windows could delete it, but is there an easier way? I can't chmod or rm -f |
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| 18:15.17 | stopher | hark: thanks! |
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| 18:15.30 | premier_ | I want to delete it |
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| 18:16.41 | MrRTOS | root should be able to chmod anything |
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| 18:16.46 | premier_ | Ahh! its the invicible file! |
| 18:17.17 | xingu | predder: what filesystem type? |
| 18:17.21 | premier_ | MrRTOS: well, I can't seem to be able to... it says "changing premissions operation not allowed blah blah |
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| 18:17.33 | stopher | hark: dpkg isn't responding to /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 18:17.55 | Pencil | would you guys recommend using APF? |
| 18:18.30 | hark | !tell stopher -about sources.list |
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| 18:19.07 | stopher | thanks |
| 18:19.30 | delliott | I am trying to build VMWare Tools for my vanilla 2.6.21-2 kernel but the process tells me that there is a slight difference between my running kernel and the headers that I have linked to. I'm pretty sure that this is not the case... what else could be the problem? |
| 18:19.32 | nbusr123 | hi there, i'm thinking about using auto upgrade on stable debian. If I see it right, it will only install same version of something just with security fixes. So it can't make problems. |
| 18:20.27 | MrRTOS | premier_: well don't know about debian I'm downloading it right now for the first time |
| 18:20.40 | annkas | I want to format an external HD wich I have partitioned to fat32. What do I write? |
| 18:20.51 | premier_ | the file is extlinux.sys... it some sort of file thats created when I boot |
| 18:20.52 | MrRTOS | premier_: but on Fedora I could modify the file as root no matter what |
| 18:21.06 | MrRTOS | premier_: I was using ext3 |
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| 18:21.36 | premier_ | MrRTOS: im not even using debian... I'm using zenlive, ubuntu, mepis, everything but debian, but its a debian filesystem |
| 18:21.48 | premier_ | I just can't get it to delete |
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| 18:22.00 | daveriver | how do I change the permission to write to a ntfs partition? |
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| 18:22.54 | InYourBa1e | If I compile my own kernel, and install it with dpkg, do I need to do anything special for modules I've installed? |
| 18:23.02 | MrRTOS | premier_: use fuser to see what else is using the file |
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| 18:23.33 | InYourBa1e | such as ndiswrapper and nvidia drivers? |
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| 18:23.50 | annkas | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.57 | premier_ | MrRTOS: nothing is using it |
| 18:24.00 | Pencil | hey what feature does proftpd have that vsftpd doesn't? |
| 18:24.04 | Pencil | anonymous features right? |
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| 18:24.47 | MrRTOS | premier_: can you delete anything else? |
| 18:25.02 | Azar | yee! lots of file managers: http://opseast.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/file-managers-alternatives-to-nautilus-and-konqueror/ |
| 18:25.22 | MrRTOS | premier_: can you go to /sbin and make a backup of a utility then delete it? |
| 18:25.53 | nbusr123 | in other words, do you use automatic updates on your servers? Have you have problem with it in last few years? |
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| 18:26.08 | xingu | extlinux.sys is a boot loader |
| 18:26.18 | xingu | I'd take a bloody good guess that the file is on read-only media. |
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| 18:26.42 | daveriver | how do I change permission on a ntfs partition so I can write to it from debian? |
| 18:26.49 | Pencil | http://paste.debian.net/32729 <- am i running anything insecure? or something useless? |
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| 18:27.09 | Pencil | im just gonna use this box to host apache, mysql, etc. like a webserver. |
| 18:27.21 | MrRTOS | xingu: lol that would explain it |
| 18:27.23 | Pencil | im just wondering if there are any processes that i wont require or will open security issues. |
| 18:27.59 | xingu | annkas: apt-get install dosftools; mkfs -t vfat -F 32 /dev/your/device |
| 18:28.10 | Pencil | anybody? |
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| 18:29.18 | annkas | xingu: what repository, couldn't find it |
| 18:29.24 | Pencil | !avahi-daemon |
| 18:29.43 | xingu | premier_: chattr -i extlinux.sys |
| 18:29.50 | MrRTOS | Pencil: get rid of all those gettys for those ttys |
| 18:29.56 | Pencil | by kill -9? |
| 18:30.02 | xingu | predder: however, as I said, it's a bootloader; it'd be good to verify that you weren't actually using it before removing it. |
| 18:30.03 | Pencil | !tty |
| 18:30.03 | dpkg | tty is probably an abbreviation for "teletype". More generically, it refers to any terminal or terminal emulator. |
| 18:30.11 | MrRTOS | by editing you inittab |
| 18:30.15 | kRiMe8 | has anyone here install debo work correctlyian with nvidia card and duel monitor and gotten them t |
| 18:30.16 | Pencil | how would i remove it so it wouldnt start up? |
| 18:30.20 | Pencil | oh gotcha hold on let me google that |
| 18:30.28 | annkas | where do I find dosftools? |
| 18:31.03 | xingu | annkas: dosfstools is in stable. |
| 18:31.22 | Pencil | # What to do when CTRL-ALT-DEL is pressed. |
| 18:31.22 | Pencil | ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now |
| 18:31.24 | Pencil | do i require that? |
| 18:31.41 | Pencil | or it doesnt hurt to have it |
| 18:32.11 | annkas | xingu: i searched for dosftools, not dosfstools :-) |
| 18:33.00 | MrRTOS | Pencil: doesn't hurt to have it I don't think |
| 18:33.08 | Pencil | mrrtos, should i remove l0:0:wait:/etc/init.d/rc 0 |
| 18:33.14 | MrRTOS | you do want it to shutdown when you do that |
| 18:33.19 | Pencil | gotcha |
| 18:33.25 | MrRTOS | no actually don't remember anything |
| 18:33.26 | Pencil | i dont really need it, i can always push the button |
| 18:33.29 | MrRTOS | but those gettys |
| 18:33.37 | stopher | hark: worked perfectly, thanks! |
| 18:33.42 | MrRTOS | not rmember |
| 18:33.44 | Pencil | i read the security how-to manual and it said having too many init.d's can leave you open to attacks |
| 18:33.49 | MrRTOS | don't remove anything but the gettys stuff |
| 18:34.02 | Pencil | alright |
| 18:34.16 | Pencil | how would i restart the inittab now? |
| 18:34.20 | wols | MrRTOS: why do you think he needs a portmapper? |
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| 18:34.35 | xingu | wols: I'm wondering why he needs a dhcp client let alone the portmapper |
| 18:34.51 | MrRTOS | what port mapper? |
| 18:35.13 | MrRTOS | you don't need a dhcp client? |
| 18:35.23 | Pencil | dhcp is what assigns the IP right? |
| 18:36.21 | wols | a dhcpclient is to get a lease from a dhcp server? |
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| 18:36.28 | wols | Pencil: is this a dekstop or a server? |
| 18:36.29 | MrRTOS | yeah |
| 18:36.40 | xingu | pity that dhcp isn't exactly what you'd call cryptographically secure. |
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| 18:36.45 | Pencil | its gonna be a server |
| 18:36.50 | Pencil | im not planning to use it as a desktop |
| 18:37.06 | wols | Pencil: then why did you install X? reinstall that system |
| 18:37.11 | Pencil | awww MAN |
| 18:37.14 | Pencil | i have to reinstall AGAIN? |
| 18:37.26 | wols | no. first you have to learn to do it right |
| 18:37.27 | Pencil | i fell asleep installing debian last night |
| 18:37.38 | wols | again: why did you install X? |
| 18:37.43 | Pencil | i have no idea what X is |
| 18:37.48 | wols | there can be sometimes made a case for xlibs, but not xserver |
| 18:37.58 | Pencil | !X |
| 18:37.59 | dpkg | i guess x is the X Window System. See <xorg> for info about the actual implementation. |
| 18:37.59 | wols | X is the graphical user interface serve |
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| 18:38.20 | vantsk | hi |
| 18:38.25 | Pencil | oh so its like the actual desktop? |
| 18:38.34 | Pencil | hm, well i didnt need it, do i have to reinstall it? |
| 18:38.36 | wols | no |
| 18:38.37 | vantsk | erf a new exploit for linux kernel 2.6.21 : http://www.idpz.net/ares/sploit_linux2.6.21-2 |
| 18:38.38 | Pencil | i cant just remove it? |
| 18:38.42 | wols | you have to remove it at least |
| 18:38.49 | Pencil | woo safe one. |
| 18:38.49 | wols | and ALL of X |
| 18:38.57 | Pencil | do you have a guide for that? |
| 18:39.07 | wols | Pencil: no. |
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| 18:39.11 | Pencil | shooot. lmao |
| 18:39.40 | wols | but let me say this: with your amount of knowledge you won't get your system "secure". you need to learn a lot before you can manage this imho |
| 18:39.56 | Pencil | yeah i understand where your getting at wols |
| 18:40.24 | Pencil | but thanks for your assistance lately |
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| 18:41.46 | MrRTOS | yeah but got to start somewhere |
| 18:41.58 | Pencil | yeah, if only i didnt have to REINSTALL the whole thing |
| 18:42.04 | Pencil | this would count as my 5th reinstall |
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| 18:42.19 | wols | well you can always remove X |
| 18:42.25 | Pencil | im googling for a guide |
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| 18:42.32 | MrRTOS | Pencil: check your private msg |
| 18:42.33 | Pencil | or at least topics on it |
| 18:42.34 | Pencil | gotcha |
| 18:42.39 | Pencil | im looking at it right now mrcheeks |
| 18:42.44 | Pencil | i mean Mrrtos |
| 18:42.50 | MrRTOS | lol |
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| 18:42.54 | wols | Pencil: before you do that, think hard about it how would you do it on your own and then after that compare what you arrive at to what the guide said |
| 18:43.06 | xingu | vantsk: why did you feel the need to post what's obviously (being charitable) a dead link under two different nicknames half an hour apart? |
| 18:43.24 | Pencil | hm, i wouldn't know where to begin wols. |
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| 18:43.29 | gamayun | hi guys. i tried to build a package from the source. after i extracted the package, cd pack-dir and dpkg-buildpackage, i received an error "public key expired" how can i renew the key? thx |
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| 18:45.47 | wols | gamayun: what was the exact message? |
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| 18:46.21 | gamayun | something like -gpg public key expired |
| 18:46.41 | wols | note the word "exact" |
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| 18:46.59 | gamayun | cant remember |
| 18:47.17 | Pencil | !x11 |
| 18:47.17 | dpkg | i heard x11 is a protocol used by X servers and clients X11 stands for the eleventh version of the X window system. |
| 18:47.42 | stopher | in aptitude [pi] means the package is installed, correct? |
| 18:47.43 | axos88 | hello! dvd burning software for debian? |
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| 18:49.09 | korhojoa | helloes. I have a voodoo banshee, under which i'd like to get dri to work |
| 18:49.32 | MrRTOS | Pencil: I tried to help you on the private message I guess you dont need help after all |
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| 18:49.36 | korhojoa | so i can get opengl to work, and so that i can get compiz to work :D |
| 18:49.47 | gamayun | wols: i check apt-key list : pub 1024D/2D230C5F 2006-01-03 [expired: 2007-02-07 uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006)" maybe this is the reason why |
| 18:50.23 | gamayun | who can i renew this pub key? |
| 18:50.26 | Pencil | mrrtos, im trying to figure out how to remove X |
| 18:50.28 | Pencil | not reinstall debian |
| 18:50.54 | MrRTOS | ok thx for letting me know |
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| 18:52.50 | nbusr123 | Pencil: aptitude remove xorg-x11 ? |
| 18:53.03 | Azar | Pencil: apt-get or aptitude are package managers , they install, remove, update and upgrade: aptitude remove <package> |
| 18:53.44 | nbusr123 | when we talk about package managment, how safe is it to use automatic upgrades (aptitude -y upgrede in cron) ? |
| 18:53.53 | Pencil | i did that |
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| 18:54.10 | nbusr123 | can it make problems like apache won't start or whatever |
| 18:54.18 | Azar | nbusr123: more info tips and tricks with aptitude: /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 18:54.59 | nbusr123 | Azar: i'm checking, but this is kind of need info from someone using it |
| 18:55.03 | gamayun | ok i found it |
| 18:55.03 | Azar | nbusr123: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 << |
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| 18:56.18 | Azar | personally I stopped using apt-get , using aptitude all the time |
| 18:56.43 | Azar | some use still apt-get when they want to avoid all defaults aptitude performs |
| 18:58.23 | nbusr123 | but i mean something else.. i would like avoid 0days exploiting with using cron.daily to run aptitude -y update && aptitude -y upgrade ... |
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| 18:58.47 | nbusr123 | i know in debian stable only updates are backports of security patches, but nevertheless can it makes problems? |
| 18:59.05 | gcosmin_ | can some one pls help me to make my wireless card be seen by debian? |
| 18:59.09 | wols | nbusr123: of course it can |
| 18:59.10 | nbusr123 | like apache won't start or whatever |
| 18:59.13 | wols | !topicsmite gamayun |
| 18:59.13 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon gamayun. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 18:59.21 | Azar | nbusr123: aptitude is customizable... you only have to read more about it and how to configure it at your likes |
| 18:59.36 | nbusr123 | Azar: it has nothing to do with aptitude |
| 18:59.47 | Azar | nbusr123: oh oh... ok I see.. |
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| 18:59.58 | nbusr123 | wols: so is it generally bad idea? |
| 19:00.46 | wols | you mean security updates? they are only bad if you like your box owned by some pimply faced youth |
| 19:00.50 | wols | your choice |
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| 19:00.55 | Azar | hmm cron.daily to run aptitude? hmm it never does it for me |
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| 19:01.30 | gamayun | wols: i just found it. command is: gpg --send-keys --keyserver the.earth.li [keyid] and it worked for me. |
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| 19:01.52 | nbusr123 | Azar: yes i can do it better, and i probably will (thanks for tip) but it isn;t about how to do it, but what can it(automatic upgrades) breaks |
| 19:01.54 | Azar | I would never let some daemon to run my update/upgrade without me seeing what I am getting |
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| 19:02.07 | wols | yes upgrading via cron is a bad idea |
| 19:02.08 | wols | always |
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| 19:02.15 | Azar | autoupgrades ewww... no sir, no thanks, I like doing it myself |
| 19:02.37 | nbusr123 | Azar: yes, that's what i'm talking about |
| 19:02.41 | wols | upgrading and isntalling stuff is a admin's job. if cron could do it we could do what BofHs do with suers: they'd be replaced by a little shell script |
| 19:02.50 | Azar | I like seeing all that happens when I boot up, when I update/upgrade.... |
| 19:02.52 | wols | *users |
| 19:02.59 | nbusr123 | but when you consider in debian stable only updates are security backports ... is it still so bad? |
| 19:03.12 | stopher | i like seeing linux boot up anyway :P a lot more fun than windows |
| 19:03.12 | Azar | nbusr123: well don't use the cron jobs for that, disable autoupdates |
| 19:03.24 | quitte | Hi. is it possible to embed a conditional into a shell command called by a makefile? http://pastebin.com/d3a044d02 |
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| 19:03.50 | Azar | nbusr123: well no but I consider a bad habit using autoupdates for anything |
| 19:04.26 | Azar | disable that cron and do it yourself every say.... sunday |
| 19:05.03 | Azar | on big upgrades, I have lunch while they are performed, looking at the screen and smiling |
| 19:05.21 | Azar | .. thinking .. "thats my good boy".. |
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| 19:05.31 | stegbth | good evening |
| 19:05.41 | Azar | good evening honorable |
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| 19:06.41 | korhojoa | hello. anyone know how to enable glx / dri ? |
| 19:07.02 | wols | korhojoa: depends on your videocard/videochip |
| 19:07.08 | korhojoa | it's a voodoo banshee :> |
| 19:07.09 | Azar | korhojoa: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ( or xserver-xfree86 ) |
| 19:07.25 | quitte | korhojoa: hahaha. hmm try potato |
| 19:07.32 | korhojoa | the intertubes tell me that i need something funky with glide and such to get opengl to werk |
| 19:07.34 | Thasp | when I try to run an mrtg script, I get this http://pastebin.ca/619437 |
| 19:08.01 | Azar | hey potato, woody were really good versions too |
| 19:08.19 | Thasp | I followed the error's advice only to get more nonsense |
| 19:08.26 | Thasp | has anyone experienced this before |
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| 19:08.59 | martoss | hi folks, any hints what could be wrong with this: I installed on a scsi disk, booting from scsi is turned on (and worked with opensuse). |
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| 19:09.03 | quitte | Azar: I laughed because of the banshee, not veryoldstable |
| 19:09.10 | martoss | grub returns an error 21 |
| 19:09.14 | Azar | wols: if I am not mistaken back on the woody time there was the modconf kicking the modules up |
| 19:09.14 | stegbth | i am fighting here with racoon on debian 4.0. it creates a vpn-tunnel |
| 19:09.14 | stegbth | host2net ( 192.168.23.96/32 <-> 192.168.0.0/24 ) and masquerades the network |
| 19:09.14 | stegbth | 192.168.23.0/24 via SNAT to the ip 192.168.23.96. the default-gateway is |
| 19:09.14 | stegbth | 192.168.23.1. since the last security upgrade for the ipsec-tools, the box |
| 19:09.14 | stegbth | sends back to the sender an "icmp-redirect 192.168.23.1", instead of forward |
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| 19:10.01 | korhojoa | quitte: you laughin' at _my_ banshee? |
| 19:10.15 | Azar | quitte: is a big deal when one can revive a very old box, and have it running... |
| 19:10.37 | x_link | xingu: Hi, just came back. So I just need to run that command? |
| 19:10.42 | quitte | sure. but a voodoo banshee? |
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| 19:11.03 | Azar | well why not |
| 19:11.04 | korhojoa | oh it's running just fine, etch with everything nicely. 1680x1050@24 - loev |
| 19:11.05 | xingu | x_link: typically, yes. |
| 19:11.19 | Azar | wow, on etch too! |
| 19:11.24 | korhojoa | yeah. |
| 19:11.24 | quitte | isn't that one of those things that needed an external vga pass through cable |
| 19:11.32 | korhojoa | quitte: no, that's the voodoo 2 |
| 19:11.37 | korhojoa | this is voodoo1 |
| 19:11.38 | korhojoa | :P |
| 19:11.46 | nbusr123 | Azar: ok, yeah, and do you know somebody who use automatic upgrades? (-: |
| 19:11.49 | Azar | mannn... good for you |
| 19:11.55 | x_link | xingu: sudo aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6-18-4-k7 | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:12.00 | korhojoa | !slap xingu |
| 19:12.06 | x_link | xingu: I use 2.6.18-4-k7, so that would be it, right? |
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| 19:12.14 | xingu | x_link: seems likely |
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| 19:12.23 | stegbth | sorry |
| 19:12.24 | Azar | nbusr123: honestly, no you are the first one to see.... but it might be that people do use them but never "confess" |
| 19:12.33 | x_link | xingu: Thanks! |
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| 19:12.41 | x_link | I will run it now and see if it works. |
| 19:12.44 | xingu | x_link: don't thank me yet. :) |
| 19:12.48 | x_link | xingu: =) |
| 19:13.14 | korhojoa | the major problem here is that when i use opengl, video runs reeeaaaallllyyy slooow. when i switch to 16-bit colours, it runs just fine. |
| 19:13.25 | korhojoa | but 24-bit just makes everything look _so_ much nicer |
| 19:13.31 | Azar | nbusr123: it should not bother me but it does when people treat PCs like a DVD or VCR that are programmed to auto-record at certain time of the day... |
| 19:13.35 | korhojoa | anyone got a clue what i could do to make it work better? |
| 19:13.44 | gcosmin_ | i can't se my wireless card but on ubuntu it works :( |
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| 19:13.54 | Thasp | debian makes mrtg a pain in the ass :( |
| 19:14.00 | jelly-home | korhojoa: apart from "buy a better card"? |
| 19:14.05 | xingu | korhojoa: a gfgo7600 like mine? :) |
| 19:14.08 | quitte | korhojoa: http://archive.debian.org/dists/Debian-2.2/main/disks-i386/2.2.26-2001-06-14/ |
| 19:14.11 | korhojoa | jelly-home: yes. apart from that. |
| 19:14.12 | x_link | xingu: hrm nothing happens, my prompt jumps down one line and does ">" |
| 19:14.16 | prahal | do you know how to create a dvd video that can be read under linux (growisofs -Z /dev/dvd path_to_vobs make one readable by dvd players but not linux) |
| 19:14.19 | Thasp | this used to just work |
| 19:14.42 | Azar | nbusr123: to give you an example: sometimes there are _major_ security updates that will require the upgrading of the kernel or the x-server: there indeed you might want to watch for certain warnings and recommendations to be performed manually at the end of the upgrade... |
| 19:14.44 | xingu | x_link: you have a gratuitous [`] in there |
| 19:14.45 | korhojoa | xingu: ngh. i don't want newer cards, i don't have money :P upgraded everything else than the video card. it used to play video better in woody |
| 19:14.50 | quitte | korhojoa: what is the additional card you use? |
| 19:14.55 | nbusr123 | Azar: And do you remember if you have any problem after running aptitude upgrade (manually) (not dist-upgrade of course) ? (and sorry for my english, it's bad i know :-( ) |
| 19:15.00 | jelly-home | korhojoa: XVideo doesn't work? |
| 19:15.03 | korhojoa | quitte: additional card? |
| 19:15.12 | xingu | korhojoa: just out of academic interest have you tried 32bit vs 24bit? |
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| 19:15.22 | prahal | i have " attempt to access beyond end of device" errors in syslog |
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| 19:15.23 | korhojoa | jelly-home: it does work, but it gives me errors in the video |
| 19:15.23 | quitte | korhojoa: there was a voodo1 that was a full featured card? |
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| 19:15.29 | korhojoa | xingu: i can't run 32bit |
| 19:15.30 | xingu | korhojoa: some of the more corpulescent hardware out there works better with word aligned data. |
| 19:15.41 | x_link | xingu: sed s,.*-,,g does that part has to be in th ecommand as well? |
| 19:15.42 | grumillo | how can i find the serial number of a sata hard drive? |
| 19:15.46 | korhojoa | quitte: i really don't know. |
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| 19:15.50 | Azar | nbusr123: yes, one of the upgrades changed my xfree86 server and apt chocked on it wanting to remove it (it was a minor glitch), thinking it is "unused" or maybe "duplicate".. |
| 19:15.59 | stegbth | martoss: i think you need a extra /boot partation |
| 19:16.05 | korhojoa | xingu: you mean i should stick to non-video-stuff? :( |
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| 19:16.11 | daveriver | in fstab it says that floppy is auto, but I can not access it to see whats on or to write to it? what is the command to look into a floppy on debian etch? |
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| 19:16.25 | Azar | nbusr123: "shit happens" and we gotta see what's going on.. |
| 19:16.29 | jelly-home | korhojoa: isn't banshee something like a crippled voodoo2 (or 3, been a long time) |
| 19:16.38 | xingu | korhojoa: no, just saying it's one vector; if it's worked acceptably in the past at >> 16bit it ought to again... |
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| 19:16.58 | xingu | x_link: no I don't think so, just stop at apt-get install ... k7 |
| 19:17.10 | korhojoa | xingu: ah. yes. i somehow still suspect that it's something with the acceleration, if i were able to enable it in a better way somehow, maybe it'd work |
| 19:17.21 | korhojoa | jelly-home: dunno |
| 19:17.22 | korhojoa | google? |
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| 19:17.27 | x_link | xingu: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29940/ |
| 19:17.29 | martoss | stegbth, on a non scsi disk? |
| 19:17.38 | quitte | korhojoa: have you tried the voodoo3 drivers? banshee is newer than voodoo2. there even was an gp version |
| 19:17.43 | jelly-home | korhojoa: if xvideo worked well with a previous release of xorg (or xfree86), you can file a bug |
| 19:17.47 | x_link | xingu: or like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29941/ |
| 19:18.04 | quitte | korhojoa: xorg driver is tdfx |
| 19:18.08 | stegbth | martoss: i think this isn't needed |
| 19:18.15 | korhojoa | quitte: yeah, i'm using tdfx. |
| 19:18.28 | quitte | d you have the libglide3 packages installed? |
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| 19:18.29 | xingu | korhojoa: giyf finds... |
| 19:18.36 | xingu | Indeed, 24-bit is the fastest 2D mode of the Banshee. 16-bit mode is the only mode which allows for desktop accelerated 3D rendering. Note: The Banshee fully supports overlays and underlays. This means that regardless of desktop bit-depth, all windowed modes for 3D and video (YUV, RGB, etc), will work correctly. |
| 19:18.39 | korhojoa | jelly-home: hmm. i don't think that it's that, it's just, i'm probably not that capable in configuring it correctly. |
| 19:18.42 | nbusr123 | Azar: thanks for you replies, i will make it easy to choose between just inform about updates or install it and give autoupgrades a chance |
| 19:18.53 | jelly-home | korhojoa: I'd try to find a PCI matrox or ATI mach64 or whatever ;-) |
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| 19:19.40 | korhojoa | jelly-home: oh well. :D i have some old cards, i can check if you think they're better than this. give me a second here. :P |
| 19:19.55 | korhojoa | xingu: hmm. wait what ? |
| 19:20.05 | korhojoa | 24-bit = win @ desktop, but fail @ video? |
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| 19:20.28 | x_link | xingu: Which command was right, first link or second link? |
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| 19:21.24 | xingu | x_link: neither; try sudo aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-k7; nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:21.47 | x_link | xingu: Okej. |
| 19:21.53 | x_link | Then I should have the nvidia driver installed? |
| 19:21.59 | korhojoa | okay: found some cards. s3 virge/dx |
| 19:22.05 | xingu | well, lets see if it works first |
| 19:22.12 | xingu | korhojoa: virge has no 3d at all |
| 19:22.14 | korhojoa | 12 mb voodoo 2 *2 |
| 19:22.20 | xingu | korhojoa: and it'll struggle at 1680x1050 |
| 19:22.41 | korhojoa | okay |
| 19:22.46 | jelly-home | ... |
| 19:22.56 | korhojoa | i just found a sigma designs realmagic card |
| 19:22.57 | jelly-home | korhojoa: you have a widescreen LCD? |
| 19:23.04 | korhojoa | it reads: mpeg-2/dvd decoder |
| 19:23.05 | korhojoa | yup |
| 19:23.25 | jelly-home | ... and are trying to use olde PCI cards to view video? |
| 19:23.34 | x_link | xingu: nvidia-glz Command not found. |
| 19:23.39 | x_link | That's the only error I got. |
| 19:23.50 | x_link | bash: nvidia-glx: Command not found |
| 19:23.51 | korhojoa | jelly-home: well, dammit. i ain't got money for a graphics card currently :D |
| 19:23.56 | quitte | korhojoa: sweet. did it come with dragons lair? |
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| 19:24.01 | xingu | x_link: oh, try this... |
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| 19:24.13 | xingu | x_link: sudo aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-k7 nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:24.14 | korhojoa | quitte: nope, all scrounged from some scrapheap |
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| 19:24.19 | korhojoa | still work though |
| 19:24.22 | nbusr123 | Azar: thanks, byea |
| 19:24.23 | x_link | okej |
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| 19:24.25 | piztek | brasero isn't seeing my dvd burner |
| 19:24.37 | xingu | x_link: sorry, korhojoa's obsolescent 3d shite is more entertaining. :) |
| 19:24.38 | piztek | can anyone help |
| 19:24.44 | jelly-home | korhojoa: you could probably find better agp cards on a random dump :-) |
| 19:25.13 | korhojoa | jelly-home: the compy doesn't have agp slots |
| 19:25.17 | korhojoa | i do have lots of agp cards |
| 19:25.23 | x_link | xingu: That seems to work better. Driver to use, I pick nvidia. |
| 19:25.30 | jelly-home | korhojoa: ah. |
| 19:25.31 | quitte | i don't understand how anyone could have such a nice panel but triesto use it with an ancient graphics card |
| 19:25.32 | korhojoa | a matrox g200 and a radeon 7000 |
| 19:25.37 | Thasp | beware the golden snow |
| 19:25.49 | xingu | korhojoa: nothing personal, I just missed out being a size queen when desktop 3d took off, I went mobile and had the humming wonder of a neomagic 2d chipset for far too long. |
| 19:25.59 | korhojoa | heh. okay :D |
| 19:26.17 | quitte | pci geforce2s exist |
| 19:26.28 | korhojoa | well, the problem is, they do cost money |
| 19:26.47 | korhojoa | i'm kind of broke |
| 19:26.50 | korhojoa | and such things :D |
| 19:26.55 | xingu | korhojoa: all the cool kids were playing xscreensaver gl and glide and I was stuck watching things spin real slow on a thunderingly fast piii/750 |
| 19:27.02 | korhojoa | haha |
| 19:27.28 | x_link | xingu: Metod to choose the monitors preferences: Simple, Medium, Advanced. What should I pick? |
| 19:27.42 | quitte | korhojoa: did you check with glxinfo if glx/dri is enabled? |
| 19:27.59 | xingu | x_link: follow your nose; probably simple if your edid stuff is unbroke. |
| 19:28.15 | x_link | Okej |
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| 19:28.39 | xingu | gcosmin: you need to start by telling the channel what your hardware is; a pciid from lspci or a usb id from lsusb would be dandy. |
| 19:28.59 | xingu | oh well. |
| 19:29.13 | xingu | back to researching this voodoo banshee thing |
| 19:29.14 | jelly-home | !win xingu |
| 19:29.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, xingu! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 19:29.31 | xingu | korhojoa: banshee says it was a voodoo2 3d core btw. |
| 19:29.40 | xingu | korhojoa: http://www.3dfxzone.it/dir/3dfx/prodotti/banshee/ |
| 19:29.52 | korhojoa | quitte: well, it says dri is disabled :( |
| 19:30.15 | quitte | korhojoa: can you paste your xlog somewhere? |
| 19:30.31 | korhojoa | quitte: sure. |
| 19:30.50 | xingu | korhojoa: wikipedia's riva tnt page says that the voodoo2 had 16bit 3daccel only - but - a "better dithering system" whatever tf that means. |
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| 19:31.11 | x_link | xingu: Everything is done now, I should just restart X right? |
| 19:31.41 | jelly-home | xingu: faking the colors with dithering? |
| 19:31.45 | quitte | korhojoa: how much videoram does that beauty have? |
| 19:32.02 | wols | 16MB probably |
| 19:32.07 | wols | that'S typical for a banshee |
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| 19:32.14 | korhojoa | xingu: wtf? :D |
| 19:32.20 | korhojoa | xingu: but okay. |
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| 19:32.24 | eisen | I thought about tracking testing again, is it still in upheaval like after the release or have things settled already? |
| 19:32.31 | korhojoa | quitte: http://pastebin.ca/619468 |
| 19:32.31 | j2^ | Good evening! |
| 19:32.42 | quitte | eisen: didn' |
| 19:32.54 | quitte | t notice anything breaking the last few weeks |
| 19:32.57 | jelly-home | eisen: is 600MB of upgrades per month upheavaly enough? |
| 19:32.59 | xingu | korhojoa: also the voodoo banshee page says that the 3d core has an 800x600@16bpp limit. |
| 19:33.10 | qrck | don't be so ^2ed |
| 19:33.11 | korhojoa | quitte: i think it's got 16 mb. |
| 19:33.12 | xingu | korhojoa: probably above this glide is transparently switching to sw 3d? |
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| 19:33.34 | prahal | can you read dvd-video you burn ? |
| 19:33.35 | x_link | xingu: I will reboot now to see if it worked, if it did then I can not thank you enough =) |
| 19:33.36 | korhojoa | xingu: i think so. not sure. but still, i think it has something to do with the fb being full |
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| 19:33.53 | eisen | jelly-home: well I'll update just once a month or so, on a lazy weekend. And I have plenty of bandwidth to spare :-) |
| 19:33.55 | jelly-home | qrck: and since roots aren't allowed here, people can't get un^2d |
| 19:33.56 | robboplus | hello folks |
| 19:33.57 | j2^ | Im looking to try something like an NSLU2 with Debian, but i wonder if there is an appliance with internal drives that can be used to the same kind of thing |
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| 19:34.36 | korhojoa | xingu, quitte, i like this line in the Xorg.0.log: (==) AIGLX enabled |
| 19:34.40 | xingu | korhojoa: that'd make sense; I'd be willing to bet that the 2d core makes extensive use of bitmap/font caching in off-screen vram |
| 19:34.44 | korhojoa | but still, no love with dri |
| 19:34.47 | Nyle | !info pornview |
| 19:34.53 | dpkg | pornview: (Image and movie viewer/manager), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.2pre1-7 (sid), Packaged size: 229 kB, Installed size: 664 kB |
| 19:34.59 | jelly-home | korhojoa: that particular line doesn't mean much |
| 19:35.01 | Nyle | hahaha, this is hilarious |
| 19:35.09 | Nyle | there is actually software called pornview haha |
| 19:35.18 | korhojoa | Nyle: you recently figured that out? |
| 19:35.24 | Nyle | i just found out about it yeah |
| 19:35.30 | korhojoa | Nyle: dude, that's like the fifth most installed package ever |
| 19:35.32 | xingu | korhojoa: my vendor thinks that dri is the devil's spawn so you're on your own with that one |
| 19:35.34 | Nyle | haha |
| 19:35.41 | Nyle | korhojoa: i never look at popcon |
| 19:35.42 | jelly-home | Nyle: it's a decent image browser... I prefer gliv these days |
| 19:35.48 | Nyle | i like gwenview |
| 19:36.00 | Nyle | nothing beats ACDSee 3.x in windows |
| 19:36.01 | xingu | korhojoa: dri doesn't play well with multiple gl contexts |
| 19:36.03 | Nyle | back in the old days |
| 19:36.05 | quitte | korhojoa: line 762 |
| 19:36.05 | jelly-home | xv! |
| 19:36.13 | Nyle | xnview? |
| 19:36.42 | qrck | fbi zgv ? |
| 19:36.51 | xingu | jelly: nautilus previews! |
| 19:37.01 | korhojoa | quitte: yeeah. gah. so, what now? |
| 19:37.06 | quitte | korhojoa: maybe a 840x525 mode works on that card? |
| 19:37.10 | jelly-home | qrck: zgv is only good with cards like what korhojoa has |
| 19:37.17 | qrck | mine too |
| 19:37.33 | korhojoa | quitte: dunno. pretty non-standard |
| 19:37.34 | jelly-home | ah, svgalib... |
| 19:37.54 | korhojoa | svgalib doesn't do well here |
| 19:37.58 | quitte | korhojoa: yes, but fits quite nicely on your display |
| 19:38.16 | korhojoa | quitte: true. how do i get a application to switch to that then when i want to view video? |
| 19:38.29 | korhojoa | i mean, hdtv is probably totally out of the question now :P |
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| 19:39.00 | xingu | korhojoa: xrandr? |
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| 19:39.04 | quitte | korhojoa: I don't even think x can initialize dri for that mode once its started. so you'd have to start a second xserver |
| 19:39.05 | xingu | what are the odds... :) |
| 19:39.10 | x_link | xingu: Hi, just rebooted X. But doesn't seem like I'm using the nvidia driver now. Is there anything else I should do? |
| 19:39.12 | korhojoa | quitte: btw, it keeps saying something about double buffering, maybe if that is turned off, then what happens? |
| 19:39.18 | korhojoa | xingu: xrandr? what be that? |
| 19:39.34 | quitte | korhojoa: tryit. it's probably documented in the tdfx man page |
| 19:39.37 | xingu | korhojoa: post-packard-fu |
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| 19:40.06 | x_link | xingu: Like maybe changing in xorg.conf or something? |
| 19:40.07 | xingu | x_link: pastebin your xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log somewhere probably |
| 19:40.18 | x_link | xingu: Sure, hold on... |
| 19:40.19 | xingu | x_link: latter is /var/log/... |
| 19:40.36 | x_link | okej. |
| 19:40.46 | x_link | xingu: Thanks man for helping me out, I really appreicate it alot! |
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| 19:41.28 | korhojoa | xingu: ehm. it lists stuff for me, but when i try to make it change the res, it says it can't open the display |
| 19:41.33 | x_link | xingu: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29947/ |
| 19:41.45 | securi | l |
| 19:41.48 | securi | Hi |
| 19:41.49 | x_link | xingu: Cause when you have nvidia driver installed you should be able to use nvidia-settings, and I can't use it. |
| 19:41.54 | x_link | I don't even see it in my K Menu. |
| 19:41.59 | securi | my debian wont let me open any .bz2 files or .gz |
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| 19:42.07 | securi | can someone actually help me or guide me please?? |
| 19:42.15 | qrck | secur: cool down it'll get fixed soon |
| 19:42.24 | jelly-home | securi: what are you using to open them? |
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| 19:42.57 | Azar | securi: bz means they are zipped files, you gotta unzip |
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| 19:43.15 | Smirnov | is it okay to run pbuilder create as roo t? |
| 19:43.24 | xingu | x_link: ok; pastebin Xorg.0.log too; if you're using that xorg.conf (Xorg.0.log will tell me) then you're using the nvidia driver; so you might also need to apt-get install nvidia-settings package. |
| 19:43.33 | korhojoa | xingu: nvm, worked now. :P |
| 19:43.36 | xingu | x_link: did you get a splash screen with the nvidia logo? |
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| 19:43.57 | securi | im double clicking on them Azar.... |
| 19:44.03 | x_link | No |
| 19:44.04 | securi | do i need to unzip via console? |
| 19:44.05 | korhojoa | quitte: so, do you think if i'd switch to a lower res, it could enable dri? |
| 19:44.20 | korhojoa | quitte: or, if i'd disable this 'double buffering', might it work then? |
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| 19:44.31 | xingu | korhojoa: xrandr is a freedesktop (post-xorg) thing; xrandrv2 will be the blessed way to switch modes on the fly. |
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| 19:44.38 | xingu | korhojoa: if your existing driver supports it, supercool. |
| 19:44.40 | x_link | xingu: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29948/ That's my /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:45.07 | kw0lf | anybody knows this problem http://pastie.caboo.se/78860 ? |
| 19:45.07 | quitte | korhojoa: disabling double buffering is worth a try. but i doubt just switching resolutions will enable dri. youuuuuu'd probably have to start x with a lower resolution |
| 19:45.15 | korhojoa | xingu: it does work. which is, well, excellent. |
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| 19:45.29 | korhojoa | quitte: yeah. well, i'm going to test disabling double buffering |
| 19:45.37 | korhojoa | with 16 mb of vram, it might actually help |
| 19:45.38 | korhojoa | :D |
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| 19:46.04 | xingu | x_link: ok you're clearly still using the nv driver; check that /etc/X11/xorg.conf is the same as the first file you pasted. |
| 19:46.40 | xingu | quitte: yeah I vote for that too based on what I read, 800x600@16bpp would be my suggested based on hw caps |
| 19:47.35 | annkas | I've partitioned, formatted and mounted an external hd. Now I would relly like that it ops up on the Desktop when I connect it. I'm not going to use this device myself, but the teachers at my school, so.. |
| 19:48.33 | quitte | heh. maybe using the realmagic card helps. |
| 19:48.38 | x_link | xingu: I don't know which one is the first I pasted. |
| 19:48.45 | x_link | But I will look in my xorg.conf again. |
| 19:48.45 | xingu | korhojoa: actually if your card supports SLI, hardwarewise, you can hit 1024x768 using hw accel |
| 19:49.13 | Azar | securi: yes you have to perform decompression on command line |
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| 19:49.23 | x_link | xingu: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29949/ that's my xorg.conf |
| 19:49.27 | x_link | xingu: I will try to reboot my machine. |
| 19:49.29 | xingu | x_link: the xorg.conf must specify: driver "nvidia" |
| 19:49.29 | x_link | xingu: brb |
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| 19:50.56 | quitte | korhojoa: http://dxr3.sourceforge.net/about.html |
| 19:51.07 | Azar | securi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bzip2 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gzip |
| 19:51.28 | tarzeau | Azar: lzma! lzma! |
| 19:51.35 | Azar | mister tarzeau! :) |
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| 19:52.18 | quitte | right. lzma! how can i build ebs that are lzma compressed? |
| 19:52.18 | x_link | xingu: Now when I rebooted my computer I lost the GUI totaly. |
| 19:52.29 | quitte | s/ebs/debs |
| 19:52.30 | x_link | xingu: Now I'm in CLI =/ |
| 19:52.34 | tarzeau | quitte: easily! |
| 19:52.42 | jelly-home | quitte: first, patch dpkg. |
| 19:52.48 | tarzeau | jelly-home: not needed |
| 19:52.53 | jelly-home | ORLY |
| 19:52.59 | xingu | x_link: .. you need to retrieve Xorg.0.log again and paste it |
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| 19:53.04 | tarzeau | jelly-home: http://orly.istheshit.net/ |
| 19:53.11 | quitte | tarzeau: ok. got that. and then? |
| 19:53.16 | x_link | xingu: hehe I don't know how to do that from CLI. |
| 19:53.17 | tarzeau | quitte: debian/rules: dh_builddeb -- -Zlzma |
| 19:53.28 | annkas | how do i direct the link to an external device to pop-up on the Desktop |
| 19:53.45 | tarzeau | quitte: or you can repackage it: |
| 19:53.49 | quitte | tarzeau: that'S all? great |
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| 19:54.02 | tarzeau | quitte: yes that's all, or: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian-lzma/ |
| 19:54.18 | quitte | tarzeau: nah. I want it for emdebian anyways. so I hardly have to repackage |
| 19:54.50 | jelly-home | omgwtflzma, tarzeau! so, why isn't it default yet? |
| 19:54.57 | tarzeau | jelly-home: dunno :) |
| 19:55.13 | xingu | quitte: interesting (dxr3) but surely desktops that have dvd players have enough horsepower to run an all-software mpeg decoder? |
| 19:55.24 | xingu | quitte: or am I missing something here? |
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| 19:55.31 | tarzeau | jelly-home: but i've found a 500 gb spare disk lie around at work, and i'm going to repackage the whole debian sid archive using lzma :) |
| 19:55.40 | tarzeau | jelly-home: and while i'm at it, why not etch as well |
| 19:55.47 | jelly-home | tarzeau: all arches? |
| 19:55.50 | tarzeau | and run ftp/http, since i'm gbit internet connected |
| 19:55.57 | tarzeau | jelly-home: yeah, got a dualcore fast box :) |
| 19:56.00 | quitte | xingu if you had a reasonable gfx card it'd accelerate mpeg2 decoding. |
| 19:56.13 | tarzeau | which is idle most of the time, and doing some game server serving :) |
| 19:56.17 | MrRTOS | I'm installing debian for the first time and I tell you what this installer looks like it was create in the 80s |
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| 19:56.33 | quitte | xingu: also korhojoa happens t have a realmagic card, which i assumed is a dxr3 |
| 19:56.34 | tarzeau | MrRTOS: you haven't tried the debian gnu/kfreebsd installer yet, have you? |
| 19:56.37 | tarzeau | MrRTOS: that's like 60s |
| 19:56.46 | MrRTOS | lol |
| 19:56.52 | thedonvaughn | MrRTOS: it's dialog/ncurses... so you're about right :) |
| 19:57.03 | tarzeau | MrRTOS: but hey it works on computers that are 15 years old! |
| 19:57.06 | quitte | MrRTOS: there is a graphical installer,too |
| 19:57.17 | tarzeau | quitte: hahaha come on! |
| 19:57.23 | tarzeau | quitte: it's just the textinstaller in graphics mode |
| 19:57.25 | thedonvaughn | MrRTOS: but who needs crap over-head bloated GUI installer? There is a LiveCD installer tho btw |
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| 19:57.39 | MrRTOS | oh there is? |
| 19:57.42 | annkas | I need some help to get a USB-HD to pop up on the desktop when I plug it in. It pops up, but not on the desktop. Anybody who knows how to redirect the link to the device? |
| 19:57.43 | quitte | last time I checked the windows installer basically looked like it did with 3.x |
| 19:57.44 | MrRTOS | I didn't see that on the sit |
| 19:57.45 | MrRTOS | site |
| 19:58.00 | quitte | tarzeau: of course it is. but it looks a lot better |
| 19:58.08 | tarzeau | quitte: i don't like it at all :) |
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| 19:58.24 | thedonvaughn | tarzeau: what's not to like about it? |
| 19:58.39 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: it's just the textmode installer in graphics mode |
| 19:58.45 | thedonvaughn | so? |
| 19:58.48 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: that's not how you make excellent gui software |
| 19:58.49 | MrRTOS | I choosed manually doing my partitions and it's taking forever just to erase my partition |
| 19:58.50 | thedonvaughn | does it not do the job? |
| 19:58.51 | pumpkin0 | is there a way to invert all screen colors in all apps with a xserver option ? |
| 19:58.53 | quitte | tarzeau: is there a gnustep implementation for the framebuffer? ;) |
| 19:59.02 | thedonvaughn | tarzeau: debian doesn't care about execellent gui.. neither do most people who run debian. |
| 19:59.07 | thedonvaughn | tarzeau: there's gaybuntu for that :) |
| 19:59.08 | MrRTOS | they should make a quick erase option |
| 19:59.08 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: it does, but it fails to use the advantages you could use in gui design |
| 19:59.24 | korhojoa | hmm |
| 19:59.27 | korhojoa | i'm wondering |
| 19:59.31 | jelly-home | thedonvaughn: queer eye for the desktop guy? |
| 19:59.38 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: i'm not saying it has to. i'm saying i've seen better |
| 19:59.38 | thedonvaughn | jelly-home: that's their next release yes |
| 19:59.57 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: i'm happy not seeing anything of the installer (doing it all preseeded, fully automatic :) |
| 20:00.02 | quitte | i think the http frontend for the debian installerwas an excellent idea. never tried it,though |
| 20:00.04 | jelly-home | gobuntu is supposed tobe nice and ... free. |
| 20:00.14 | korhojoa | would it be possible to use this dxr3 card and play video better? |
| 20:00.20 | thedonvaughn | tarzeau: right on. My point is weather the installer is gui or ncurses/dialog based doesn't matter to me. It's the features of the installer that should matter. most GUI's in the unix world are just crap cover-ups anyway... i tend to do most everything i need in cli |
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| 20:00.32 | korhojoa | i mean, if i'd have something transcode everything to mpeg2 on the fly, and then view it with that? |
| 20:00.34 | thedonvaughn | tarzeau: but there are too many options for that |
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| 20:00.50 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: i disagree on the most gui's in the unix world are just crap cover-ups |
| 20:01.03 | jelly-home | korhojoa: yes, mplayer can do that and output to dxr3 cards |
| 20:01.05 | quitte | korhojoa: on the fly? I doubt it |
| 20:01.17 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: certainly those who fail to lean about gui design are crap. but there's gems! and not a small amount |
| 20:01.18 | quitte | korhojoa: it depends on your cpu |
| 20:01.31 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: "there are too many options for that" doesn't count |
| 20:01.47 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: there's always a solution, it's sometimes just not the effort, but even then |
| 20:01.49 | korhojoa | quitte: a +3800 x2 |
| 20:01.59 | quitte | wtf! |
| 20:02.05 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: given enough thinking and people one can come up with great things |
| 20:02.13 | quitte | korhojoa: does it have a onboard gpu? |
| 20:02.39 | korhojoa | ?? :D |
| 20:02.49 | korhojoa | why would i be using a external pci card if it did? |
| 20:02.50 | quitte | korhojoa: graphics processing unit |
| 20:02.59 | korhojoa | and i'm guessing you mean the mobo |
| 20:02.59 | thedonvaughn | tarzeau: if it ain't broke. Linux doesn't need more GUIs. Hell Linux doens't even need to be "The next big thing on the desktop" Linux has been ready for the desktop since 1998 and if missed it then... you will never get it :) |
| 20:03.05 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: have you seen the openstep or mac os x installers? |
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| 20:03.08 | thedonvaughn | tarzeau: and that wasn't directed towards you personally, just saying :) |
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| 20:03.24 | quitte | korhojoa: i can't believe there are recent boards that don'T have agp and no onboardgpu |
| 20:03.32 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: that's nice. but i think there's much more potential.. |
| 20:03.38 | jelly-home | quitte: probably has PCIe |
| 20:03.40 | thedonvaughn | tarzeau: i've seen nextstep's ALONG time ago. But MacOS is nothing i care for... Apple is worse than M$ in my eyes. |
| 20:03.41 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: and the key point is that its all free software |
| 20:03.45 | korhojoa | quitte: it's a pci-e board with no onboard gpu. |
| 20:03.50 | quitte | ah |
| 20:04.02 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: i agree. they broke a lot of great/finished design of the NeXT |
| 20:04.34 | thedonvaughn | tarzeau: yah i want a nextbox. A few co-workers of mine have some. I've always thought next was a great desktop |
| 20:04.47 | thedonvaughn | tarzeau: infact i run window maker as my WM because i love next's interface |
| 20:04.57 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: yeah where i work i also know some developers/users (today still), and some other friends. and myself :) |
| 20:05.01 | quitte | korhojoa: you could probably get the 30$ for a pci-e card by singing in the city in less tan 3h ;) |
| 20:05.08 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: tried http://livecd.gnustep.org/ yet? |
| 20:05.23 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: actually i might dig out some dusty link for openstep 4.2 iso images if you want |
| 20:05.24 | thedonvaughn | no, i was planning on it |
| 20:05.25 | jelly-home | quitte: singing? :-) |
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| 20:05.34 | thedonvaughn | tarzeau: it run on x86? |
| 20:05.44 | annkas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:05.49 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: there's some nice stuff happening, like webkit porting, and a webbrowser based on it for gnustep |
| 20:05.57 | quitte | jelly-home: yes. that's why it takes that long |
| 20:06.03 | korhojoa | :D :D |
| 20:06.24 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: openstep was ported to windows nt/xp/2k, solaris, and it had native version on a single cd (multi fat binaries, like universal binaries today on os x) for x86,m68k,sparc and hp-pa |
| 20:06.52 | thedonvaughn | oh ok |
| 20:06.56 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: the problem is the drivers. your current computers won't be able to run it. if you got some old p1 166mhz shit with intel board.. you might get it to run, with color graphics and sound! |
| 20:07.07 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: check out my screenshots: http://gnu.ethz.ch/www.levenez.com/ |
| 20:07.10 | thedonvaughn | tarzeau: yah |
| 20:07.17 | securi | im trying to zip a file using this command: tar jcf filename.tar.bz2 thedir |
| 20:07.25 | securi | but what do i type in for thedir bit? |
| 20:07.47 | jelly-home | securi: a single file? |
| 20:07.49 | tarzeau | securi: some_directory ? |
| 20:07.55 | securi | its a folder |
| 20:07.58 | securi | im trying to zip up |
| 20:07.59 | tarzeau | !folder |
| 20:07.59 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 20:08.08 | jelly-home | securi: so, the folder's name |
| 20:08.17 | annkas | how do I redirect the link for usb-device to pop up on the desktop when connecting it? |
| 20:08.24 | securi | the folders name is ClearBlue |
| 20:08.30 | jelly-home | ... |
| 20:08.33 | tarzeau | annkas: redirect? did you run gnome-volume-manager ? |
| 20:08.33 | securi | securi@Securicore:~/Desktop$ tar jcf CleanBlue.tar.bz2 |
| 20:08.33 | securi | tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive |
| 20:08.42 | tarzeau | annkas: it's got a gnome-volume-properties... |
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| 20:08.51 | \amethyst | securi: so change to the directory above it and tar jcf CleanBlue.tar.bz2 CleanBlue/ |
| 20:08.55 | piztek | how do you switch window managers |
| 20:08.56 | tarzeau | securi: try tar jcf CleanBlue.tar.bz2 cleanblue-1.0/ |
| 20:09.04 | tarzeau | piztek: using your .xsession ? |
| 20:09.17 | piztek | tarzeau: could you explain further? |
| 20:09.27 | thedonvaughn | tarzeau: yah that's cool. what irc client is that in your screen shots.. is that just xchat? |
| 20:09.28 | tarzeau | piztek: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/dotxsession |
| 20:09.33 | annkas | tarzeau: haven't run any manager, I just want the link to USB-device to pop up on Desktop |
| 20:09.35 | securi | securi@Securicore:~/Desktop$ tar jcf CleanBlue.tar.bz2 cleanblue-1.0/ |
| 20:09.36 | securi | tar: cleanblue-1.0: Cannot stat: No such file or directory |
| 20:10.11 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: it's just irc.app :) but debian's got talksoup.app |
| 20:10.19 | thedonvaughn | ah ok |
| 20:10.27 | jelly-home | securi: cd to where the directory you want to zip is |
| 20:10.35 | quitte | securi: you could also use file-roller |
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| 20:10.44 | quitte | securi: drag and drop and such |
| 20:10.53 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: http://sourceforge.net/dbimage.php?id=40003 |
| 20:10.54 | thedonvaughn | tarzeau: yah i should setup a gnustep environment... i guess i have a basic one now that is installed with window maker.. however i'm not running the environment, just windowmaker by itself. |
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| 20:11.09 | MrRTOS | I'm installing debian to see what all the fuss is about. Why is it that most debian guys hate Ubuntu? |
| 20:11.18 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: i really use terminal.app most, followed by textedit, gnumail and timemon |
| 20:11.21 | jelly-home | MrRTOS: they don't. |
| 20:11.28 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: i also got the emacs.app if you want i can give you the link for it |
| 20:11.44 | tarzeau | MrRTOS: because ubuntu could've done without a fork |
| 20:11.50 | MrRTOS | jelly-home: Ok that was my impression from 3 different debian users |
| 20:11.55 | korhojoa | quitte: weird. framebuffer is disabled, and now video runs better |
| 20:12.03 | MrRTOS | plus people here calling it gaybuntu |
| 20:12.13 | piztek | tarzeau: i can't locate .xinitrc or .xsession only .xsession-errors |
| 20:12.14 | korhojoa | using vlc and the 3dfx glide output in vlc |
| 20:12.26 | lymeca | Where can I find out what is preventing Gnash 0.8.0 from entering sid even though it's been uploaded for review by FTP masters for weeks? |
| 20:12.35 | tarzeau | piztek: you need to create it |
| 20:12.38 | securi | i want to zip not unzip! |
| 20:12.45 | securi | its a folder i want to zip |
| 20:12.53 | MrRTOS | tarzeau: aren't most distros out there forks? |
| 20:12.55 | tarzeau | securi: you need to tell tar which folder |
| 20:12.57 | quitte | securi: file-roller can do both |
| 20:13.07 | jelly-home | MrRTOS: gay is not a derogative :-) |
| 20:13.07 | tarzeau | MrRTOS: i don't know, i wouldn't call mine a fork |
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| 20:13.20 | securi | whats file-roller? |
| 20:13.23 | piztek | tarzeau: i can't locate .xinitrc or .xsession only .xsession-errors |
| 20:13.29 | tarzeau | piztek: you need to create it |
| 20:13.35 | piztek | oh cool |
| 20:13.36 | tarzeau | piztek: mcedit ~/.xsession for example |
| 20:13.41 | thedonvaughn | MrRTOS: heh. Most of that (including myself, but i was kidding) is just backlash. ubuntu is great for what it does, easy desktop that gives you no choice and "one application per job" ideal. It's all on one CD. However, must debian users do not like ubuntu's choices forced upon them. i.e. root user is disabled by default, etc etc. Imo it is a great desktop distro tho, just not for me. |
| 20:13.43 | tarzeau | piztek: you use startx or some *dm? |
| 20:13.43 | quitte | securi: a program that is installed by defaulton a etch deskmtop system |
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| 20:13.51 | MrRTOS | tarzeau: if you count them you can tell that MOST distros are forks |
| 20:13.56 | piztek | gdm |
| 20:14.05 | annkas | When I plug in a normal USB-pen, a programme starts and asks me what I want to do, open it or ... I've formatted and mounted a USB-External HD and I want this to behave the same way as a "normal" USB-stick when I connect it. Anybody |
| 20:14.15 | quitte | securi: unfortunately it is hidden somewhere in the menu where i can't find it. but alt-f2 helps |
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| 20:14.23 | Azar | one at a time, don't pull tarzeau all at one time |
| 20:14.27 | tarzeau | MrRTOS: and none of them has the amount of developers and software variety/amount of debian |
| 20:14.58 | Azar | :) thanks buddy, feels good |
| 20:15.04 | tarzeau | hah |
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| 20:15.12 | rahul | :O |
| 20:15.19 | \amethyst | lymeca: what version are you talking about, exactly? |
| 20:15.26 | MrRTOS | thedonvaughn: yeah I don't like the root account being disabled either but I see you guys don't really care about easy desktop |
| 20:15.34 | rahul | MrRTOS: yeah, we don't |
| 20:15.34 | MrRTOS | you prefer to be hardcore linux |
| 20:15.35 | rahul | wtf |
| 20:15.39 | rahul | MrRTOS: you are a tool |
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| 20:15.50 | thedonvaughn | oh no need to be mean :) |
| 20:15.50 | rahul | I prefer hardcore brunettes. |
| 20:15.56 | \amethyst | lymeca: because I see 0.8.0~cvs20070611 in sid |
| 20:15.57 | MrRTOS | I am a tool? |
| 20:16.01 | piztek | tarzeau: is icewm "exec icewm" |
| 20:16.06 | MrRTOS | what is that suppose to mean? |
| 20:16.08 | tarzeau | piztek: yes |
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| 20:16.16 | piztek | tarzeau: is icewm the best? |
| 20:16.20 | tarzeau | piztek: no |
| 20:16.21 | piztek | cleanest |
| 20:16.27 | piztek | tarzeau: which is your favorite |
| 20:16.30 | tarzeau | piztek: wmaker |
| 20:16.32 | rahul | MrRTOS: just because you want to make up shit that's wrong doesn't make you better. if you don't like the simplicity and choice offered by debian, go away. |
| 20:16.33 | tarzeau | and amiwm |
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| 20:16.44 | piztek | okay |
| 20:16.46 | tarzeau | piztek: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/amiwm.png |
| 20:16.47 | jelly-home | rahul: dude, that was totally uncalled for |
| 20:16.52 | MrRTOS | rahul: ah? who said I didn't like it? |
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| 20:16.59 | xjih78 | hi everybody |
| 20:17.02 | Azar | rahul: play nice |
| 20:17.10 | rahul | MrRTOS: you're bitching and moaning about us not caring about making it "easy" |
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| 20:17.17 | MrRTOS | rahul: I'm learning the differences and WHY people use it hell I'm installing it right now |
| 20:17.21 | sonmez | Hi, can someone give me a solution for time synchronization on laptops? |
| 20:17.21 | rahul | if you want "easy", use a Mac |
| 20:17.24 | xjih78 | i have a problem. cannot change keymap after a reboot except for the root user. |
| 20:17.32 | rahul | sonmez: ntpd |
| 20:17.33 | xjih78 | how can this be fixed? |
| 20:17.46 | rahul | sonmez: same as time sync on a desktop... why would it be different? |
| 20:17.52 | MrRTOS | rahul: I'm not complaining it was an statement |
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| 20:18.01 | linux2 | can some help me with my debian install. it somehow died. first my x-server stopped working and now my kernel that im using is no longer installed and i cannot seem to get lilo to reinstall so that it uses the newly installed kernel |
| 20:18.01 | rahul | MrRTOS: it's an incorrect statement |
| 20:18.03 | piztek | tarzeau: looks good, brb |
| 20:18.04 | piztek | exit |
| 20:18.06 | linux2 | the command lilo exits with |
| 20:18.21 | linux2 | bitmap table has space for only 0 images |
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| 20:18.27 | MrRTOS | I'm noticing that you don't want to make it very easy so that my grand mother could install it that is not your goal |
| 20:18.31 | rahul | MrRTOS: but I suppose if you don't know, you can say anything you want |
| 20:18.42 | xjih78 | linux2, why is that? |
| 20:18.42 | MrRTOS | I do not know exactly |
| 20:18.44 | rahul | MrRTOS: can your grandmother install windows? |
| 20:18.46 | MrRTOS | I'm learning from you guys |
| 20:18.53 | linux2 | xjih78: i have no idea |
| 20:18.54 | Azar | linux2: you must have killed your system: which debian version, kernel version and what crapola you stuffed in it? |
| 20:18.58 | MrRTOS | hell yeah she can |
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| 20:19.01 | MrRTOS | she has |
| 20:19.03 | rahul | MrRTOS: does she even know how to get started with installing windows? |
| 20:19.12 | rahul | MrRTOS: on a completely raw box? unpartitioned, etc? |
| 20:19.16 | sonmez | rahul: It works when install it... after reboot it is not correct and ntpd doesn't work.. when i go into time/date adjustment it says ntp doesn't installed but ntp is checked.. then goes unchecked.. anyway as result it doesn't work after first installation |
| 20:19.25 | MrRTOS | she called me almost everyday though but she did it lol |
| 20:19.30 | rahul | sonmez: what is time/date adjustment? |
| 20:19.30 | linux2 | Azar: actually i didn't kill it. the debian apt-get upgrade did |
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| 20:19.49 | jelly-home | MrRTOS: one of the comparative advantages to Ubuntu IME, is the polished upgrades. Ubuntu has a release schedule where sometimes quick and dirty solutions are employed, and this can create bugs that wouldn't happen on Debian |
| 20:19.52 | Azar | linux2: if you have the correct sources, apt-get won't kill it |
| 20:19.55 | Nyle | hey guys |
| 20:19.56 | linux2 | Azar: i ran apt-get upgrade and it installed a new kernel. for some reason though it didn't update lilo. it used to but now it just killed it |
| 20:20.01 | sonmez | rahul: Desktop > Administration > Time and Date |
| 20:20.06 | Azar | meester Nyle! |
| 20:20.08 | rahul | sonmez: which means what to me? |
| 20:20.14 | linux2 | Azar: its debian lenny connecting to http://ftp.us.debian.org |
| 20:20.14 | rahul | dude. |
| 20:20.18 | rahul | man. |
| 20:20.26 | linux2 | Azar: now as far as i can see apt-get killed it |
| 20:20.31 | Azar | linux2: when you use lilo, you have to run it at the end of kernel upgrade |
| 20:20.38 | dudeman | hey man |
| 20:20.43 | MrRTOS | jelly-home: I see |
| 20:20.44 | rahul | hey dude |
| 20:21.06 | Azar | linux2: when you upgrade the kernel , the upgrade tells you what to do with lilo, obviously you did not read that |
| 20:21.11 | MrRTOS | jelly-home: let's see how I like debian it's linux anyway so I'll probably will like it |
| 20:21.29 | rahul | sonmez: ntpq -c pe will tell you the status of ntpd with the time servers you chose in the config |
| 20:21.31 | Azar | linux2: wtf I don't even know what Debian you use, and what kernel you upgraded from >> to |
| 20:21.33 | dudeman | hey man I been hanging out in #ubuntu for a few days. It is very entertaining just to watch the channel scroll by |
| 20:21.37 | linux2 | Azar: actually it didn't say anything |
| 20:21.46 | linux2 | Azar: i swear that it didn't prompt me for anything |
| 20:21.50 | Azar | linux2: I do not know what you are running |
| 20:21.55 | linux2 | Azar: debian lenny |
| 20:22.07 | Azar | eh fux.... sorry I don't play wiht testing |
| 20:22.16 | dudeman | zsh huh |
| 20:22.17 | linux2 | Azar: kernel was (and is) 2.6.18-3-686 even though its not installed |
| 20:22.21 | \amethyst | sonmez: as far as I can tell that configuration setting doesn't work... I have ntp installed and running and the Gnome "Time and Date Settings" gives me the same message |
| 20:22.22 | rahul | ubuntu "help" is also to do random shit till something works |
| 20:22.30 | dudeman | what makes zsh better than bash? |
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| 20:22.34 | linux2 | and it upgraded to Azar: 2.6.21-6-686 |
| 20:22.36 | rahul | dudeman: more features |
| 20:22.47 | dudeman | rahul: for example |
| 20:22.51 | Azar | linux2: before reboot, did you edited your lilo, saved it and ran it? |
| 20:22.54 | jelly-home | dudeman: it's shorter! |
| 20:22.57 | linux2 | Azar: yeah |
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| 20:23.03 | Azar | linux2: ok how? |
| 20:23.04 | dudeman | jelly-home: what? |
| 20:23.07 | securi | whats the cmd again to get help for burning .iso's? |
| 20:23.07 | piztek | tarzeau: "exec icewm" in /home/brandon/.xsession didn't do anything, it looks like metacity is running still |
| 20:23.09 | rahul | dudeman: mostly for interactive usage... better tab completion, =foo => `which foo` |
| 20:23.15 | jelly-home | dudeman: only three letters |
| 20:23.17 | linux2 | Azar: i just did vim /etc/lilo.conf and edited it by hand |
| 20:23.20 | dudeman | jelly-home: haha |
| 20:23.20 | linux2 | then ran lilo |
| 20:23.30 | Azar | linux2: what you edited, what did you put there? |
| 20:23.32 | linux2 | i just did it again and it appears to have worked this time |
| 20:23.37 | tarzeau | piztek: for gdm it's different i think, not sure |
| 20:23.42 | linux2 | Azar: hang on one sec. i think i got it |
| 20:23.42 | tarzeau | piztek: it doesn't have a menu with chooser? |
| 20:23.46 | linux2 | Azar: gotta reboot |
| 20:23.47 | Azar | :P |
| 20:23.49 | piztek | oh |
| 20:23.50 | tarzeau | piztek: try ctrl-alt-f1, login, then startx -- :1 |
| 20:23.50 | piztek | brb |
| 20:23.54 | jelly-home | dudeman: there's some decent shorthand that replaces usage of other commands, like find |
| 20:23.59 | linux2 | Azar: as usual its my fault of course |
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| 20:24.10 | Azar | linux2: Debian is _never_ wrong |
| 20:24.16 | linux2 | Azar: although apt-get upgrade did make this upgrade a tad bit more difficult than it should have been |
| 20:24.18 | Azar | right, tarzeau? |
| 20:24.21 | securi | whats the cmd again to get help for burning .iso's? |
| 20:24.21 | securi | whats the cmd again to get help for burning .iso's? |
| 20:24.28 | jelly-home | dudeman: ls -l **/*.[ch](.) --> recursively expands to all *.c *.h files |
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| 20:24.32 | rahul | securi: man wodim |
| 20:24.36 | ricky | man wodim |
| 20:24.42 | tarzeau | Azar: almost :) |
| 20:24.45 | sn0 | securi please dont paste cross networks :) |
| 20:24.50 | rahul | yeah, zsh has wild inferiors |
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| 20:24.53 | sn0 | !iso |
| 20:24.54 | dpkg | well, iso is a cd-image. CD images of debian are available at http://www.debian.org/CD, or debian-cd.com, or http://www.linuxiso.org, or something I do with needle and thread, or ask me about "netinst", a 32 MB bootable base-installation ISO, or jigdo, or ask me about "jigdo", or did I mention "jigdo"?, or see "create cd image", or a partially-correct way of referring ISO 9660 |
| 20:24.54 | daveriver | I am trying to access my floppy drive to save stuff but I get this mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified |
| 20:24.58 | Azar | linux2: debian lenny is in continuu change: packages go, packages come, packages upgrade... you will have more like this |
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| 20:25.09 | mass0ud | Hello |
| 20:25.15 | mass0ud | I've got a problem with my DVD reading unit |
| 20:25.17 | mass0ud | because it's SATA |
| 20:25.25 | mass0ud | and the first Etch instalaltion disk doesn't recognize it |
| 20:25.34 | mass0ud | which option should I pass to the loading kernel before starting the process? |
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| 20:25.38 | foo | rahul: which foo = this foo |
| 20:25.39 | mass0ud | from the initial command line |
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| 20:25.48 | rahul | no, that foo |
| 20:26.00 | Azar | foofoo allover rahul |
| 20:26.07 | piztek | tarzeau: so if i switch window managers, i'm not technically running gnome anymore am i? |
| 20:26.16 | \amethyst | mass0ud: what's your motherboard? |
| 20:26.18 | jelly-home | dudeman: historically it had nice completion before other shells did |
| 20:26.20 | rahul | piztek: gnome is just a random bunch of apps and libs |
| 20:26.23 | tarzeau | piztek: yes |
| 20:26.25 | sn0 | mass0ud are you using a core 2 duo based motherboard that uses a jmicron chipset for sata? |
| 20:26.27 | mass0ud | I don't know, but I think that's irrelevant |
| 20:26.29 | securi | whats the cmd again to get help for burning .iso's? |
| 20:26.30 | rahul | piztek: you can run whatever you want whenever you want |
| 20:26.31 | piztek | :D |
| 20:26.32 | mass0ud | let me check |
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| 20:26.58 | Azar | moin |
| 20:27.00 | mass0ud | I think so, sn0 |
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| 20:27.28 | rahul | ok, I should go for a jog or something... and do laundry |
| 20:27.35 | kevinl-- | could anyone recommend a good webmail program (for apache) |
| 20:27.42 | rahul | kevinl--: squirrelmail |
| 20:27.51 | jelly-home | rahul: he said good |
| 20:27.53 | ricky | kevinl--: Roudcube is nice :) |
| 20:27.54 | rahul | heh |
| 20:27.54 | tarzeau | kevinl--: roundcube |
| 20:27.54 | sn0 | mass0ud are you ok with bios changing? many people reported setting the sata controller to 'AHCI' instead of 'compatible' in the computer BIOS |
| 20:27.58 | rahul | they all suck |
| 20:28.01 | tarzeau | rahul: ack! |
| 20:28.01 | rahul | what's the diff |
| 20:28.04 | securi | whats the cmd again to get help for burning .iso's? |
| 20:28.07 | kevinl-- | ive used squirrelmail, it works good but kindof ugly |
| 20:28.09 | mass0ud | i don't want to change my BIOS |
| 20:28.11 | tarzeau | securi: man wodim |
| 20:28.12 | jelly-home | kevinl--: does it have to be free? |
| 20:28.14 | rahul | securi: stop repeating |
| 20:28.15 | securi | thats it |
| 20:28.15 | mass0ud | i've just bought this computer, that shouldn't be necessary |
| 20:28.16 | securi | :P |
| 20:28.16 | kevinl-- | ya |
| 20:28.16 | securi | sorry |
| 20:28.17 | kevinl-- | :) |
| 20:28.19 | ricky | Of course, I prefer a good non-webmail client. |
| 20:28.20 | sn0 | mass0ud its one of the many options |
| 20:28.21 | rahul | securi: you've been told 5 times |
| 20:28.37 | sn0 | the reason you are having trouble is the newish jmicron controller replaces the old style ide controller |
| 20:28.48 | sn0 | its a well known problem if you search jmicron etch core 2 duo on google |
| 20:29.27 | mass0ud | ok |
| 20:29.30 | mass0ud | thanks |
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| 20:29.51 | jelly-home | roundcube's v0.1-rc1 version number doesn't instill confidence |
| 20:30.09 | MangosDebian | For your viewing pleasure -> Linux distro timeline chart: http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5090/linuxdistrotimeline75cr6.png |
| 20:30.11 | sonmez | rahul: ntpq's output: No association ID's returned |
| 20:30.22 | Azar | new at linux? can't remember command line commands? bookmark this page: http://blog.lxpages.com/ultimate_linux.html |
| 20:30.24 | rahul | sonmez: so you skipped the configuration when you installed it |
| 20:30.41 | sonmez | rahul: How to configure it?! :-( |
| 20:30.43 | rahul | sonmez: dpkg-reconfigure ntp-client, I believe, is the command |
| 20:30.56 | rahul | did you tell debconf to never ask you questios? |
| 20:30.57 | sonmez | rahul: but It is worked after installing.. |
| 20:31.11 | rahul | your cool little gnome app probably broke it |
| 20:31.39 | sonmez | rahul: I have never talk with debconf.. :-) |
| 20:31.42 | \amethyst | rahul: running the gnome app here didn't break anything... |
| 20:31.44 | Azar | tarzeau: could you add that link to dpkg : command line reference for newbies http://blog.lxpages.com/ultimate_linux.html |
| 20:31.44 | dudeman | MangosDebian: hey thanks, that was a cool little thing |
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| 20:32.16 | \amethyst | sonmez: does grep ^server /etc/ntp.conf list anything? |
| 20:32.20 | rahul | sonmez: are you using debian? |
| 20:32.25 | sonmez | rahul: Yes. |
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| 20:32.34 | rahul | sonmez: debconf is built into debian |
| 20:32.40 | \amethyst | sonmez: the thing that asks you questions when you upgrade/install packages is debconf |
| 20:32.43 | MangosDebian | dudeman: the chart? ya, kinda neat |
| 20:33.05 | sonmez | \amethyst: I remembered it.. no it didn't ask me anything |
| 20:33.11 | MangosDebian | i figure from the distro timeline i started using linux around '96 |
| 20:33.34 | dudeman | I was around 94 and a half |
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| 20:33.40 | tarzeau | Azar: just say: dpkg commandline reference for newbies is http://blog.lxpages.com/ultimate_linux.html |
| 20:33.54 | MangosDebian | lol, SCO -> Redmond -> Lycoris -> Mandriva |
| 20:33.55 | Azar | tarzeau: ok Ill try to make it shorter |
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| 20:33.58 | lymeca | \amethyst: Ah, you're right, my mistake. I installed 0.8.0-1 debs from an unofficial repository and APT didn't see the current sid versions as a upgrade. |
| 20:34.17 | MangosDebian | dudeman: starting with debian I assume? |
| 20:34.22 | securi | wodim -tao -v |
| 20:34.25 | Azar | dpkg cmdline_reference is http://blog.lxpages.com/ultimate_linux.html |
| 20:34.27 | dpkg | Azar: okay |
| 20:34.33 | securi | doesnt seem to work to write a .iso to a blank dvd :( |
| 20:34.49 | MangosDebian | securi: are you still here?! |
| 20:34.53 | sonmez | \amethyst: server 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst |
| 20:34.58 | securi | yeh lol sorry |
| 20:35.01 | sonmez | \amethyst: this is the grep result |
| 20:35.26 | MangosDebian | sonmez: turn off that p2p ntp crap and pick a time server |
| 20:35.29 | Azar | tarzeau: dpkg did not got it.. |
| 20:35.31 | \amethyst | sonmez: hmm... then it should work... what happens when you run, as root, invoke-rc.d ntp restart |
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| 20:36.39 | sonmez | \amethyst: Restarted and waiting.. |
| 20:36.45 | sonmez | MangosDebian: How? |
| 20:36.55 | \amethyst | sonmez: waiting? |
| 20:36.55 | \amethyst | MangosDebian: what? |
| 20:36.57 | sonmez | \amethyst: I mean nothing is going on |
| 20:37.09 | \amethyst | sonmez: it didn't give you the prompt back? |
| 20:37.26 | MangosDebian | sonmez: sonmez comment out _everything_ using that pool.ntp junk and just uncomment the server example.ntp line and put in a single timesource |
| 20:37.58 | sonmez | \amethyst: it is stopped and started ntp and nothing else.. |
| 20:38.03 | MangosDebian | sonmez: or else your machine starts pinging people all over the damn country for time |
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| 20:38.22 | MangosDebian | hackers and trusted |
| 20:39.17 | sonmez | MangosDebian: in ntp.conf? |
| 20:39.31 | piztek | what are some popular wm's? |
| 20:39.51 | stopher | i installed php, mysql, phpmyadmin, apache2, and tried to logon to phpmyadmin, but it won't accept my password. how can i change the configuration files of phpmyadmin to confirm/reenter the root password |
| 20:40.07 | grew | great |
| 20:40.07 | tarzeau | piztek: wmaker :) |
| 20:40.07 | MangosDebian | sonmez: yes. Try run: host 0.debian.pool.ntp.org |
| 20:40.07 | grew | pidgin is broken in sid |
| 20:40.07 | grew | :(( |
| 20:40.08 | securi | is it wodim /dev/cdrw filename.iso -v ?? |
| 20:40.23 | foutrelis | stopher: enter your mysql's root pass |
| 20:41.04 | stopher | foutrelis: i did, says acccess denied :? |
| 20:41.08 | rahul | sid = broken |
| 20:41.23 | rahul | what is broken is a puzzle for you to figure out :) |
| 20:41.32 | foutrelis | stopher: can you login to mysql with the password that doesn't work with phpmyadmin? |
| 20:41.43 | MangosDebian | sonmez: to give you an idea: for dns in `host 0.debian.pool.ntp.org | awk '{print $4}'`;do host $dns;done |
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| 20:42.44 | MrRTOS | hmm... distrowatch now ranks a distro called PCLinuxOS as #1 has anybody used it? I never heard of it before |
| 20:42.44 | MangosDebian | sonmez: bloody thing giving me time sources from .hu, .no, .yu, .de and god knows what other places I wouldnt trust with email let alone my server time :) |
| 20:42.58 | stopher | how do i logon to just mysql, i can't find the app? |
| 20:42.58 | Azar | a la tarzeau: http://www.bash.org/?781115 |
| 20:42.58 | tarzeau | MrRTOS: i've met a guy working on it |
| 20:43.16 | MrRTOS | tarzeau: what did he say about it? |
| 20:43.16 | foutrelis | stopher: Open up a terminal and write "mysql -u root -p" |
| 20:43.29 | tarzeau | MrRTOS: he uses it.. |
| 20:43.29 | tarzeau | MrRTOS: i certainly prefer debian |
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| 20:43.34 | MrRTOS | tarzeau: weird it kind of came from nowhere and now it's ranked #1 |
| 20:43.44 | lymeca | \amethyst: The Gnash package in sid depends on libcurl4-gnutls which is uninstallable because only libcurl3-gnutls exists, not 4. How did you get around that to install Gnash? |
| 20:44.02 | tarzeau | MrRTOS: ranked one where? |
| 20:44.05 | MrRTOS | tarzeau: yeah I'm installing debian as well I'm just curious now |
| 20:44.11 | MrRTOS | tarzeau: distro watch |
| 20:44.17 | foutrelis | stopher: btw, is it a new mysql installation and did you change the default pass (which is blank) or not? |
| 20:44.22 | tarzeau | MrRTOS: really, it's just for noobs. if you ask me, too much distros is not too good |
| 20:44.27 | Azar | MrRTOS: Debian is the silent Big Blue ( compairson only) |
| 20:44.32 | tarzeau | MrRTOS: i mean microsoft has the same problem |
| 20:44.32 | lymeca | libgnash0 depends on libcurl4-gnutls which doesn't exist. |
| 20:44.37 | tarzeau | MrRTOS: apple does it right |
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| 20:44.46 | securi | can you burn .daa files using wodim? |
| 20:44.47 | \amethyst | lymeca: which architecture, and what's the version of libgnash0? |
| 20:44.47 | tarzeau | MrRTOS: there's windows home, windows server, windows pro, windows gay and what not |
| 20:44.47 | stopher | foutrelis: yeas it is a new install, and it asked the main user: root and the main pass: which i changed |
| 20:44.47 | lymeca | Seems like a glaring obiouv error |
| 20:44.49 | daveriver | I am having trouble with my mount for floppy? |
| 20:44.51 | tarzeau | MrRTOS: i mean wtf, i just want a fucking damn os |
| 20:45.10 | rahul | tarzeau: apple makes lots of different ipods! |
| 20:45.13 | lymeca | \amethyst: amd64, libgnash0 version 0.8.0-cvs20070611.1016-1 |
| 20:45.14 | tarzeau | rahul: but one mac os x :) |
| 20:45.18 | tarzeau | rahul: you mean like pink, green, blue? |
| 20:45.19 | rahul | there's like silver, white, black, pink |
| 20:45.21 | rahul | hehe |
| 20:45.25 | tarzeau | rahul: bitch :) |
| 20:45.26 | Azar | so the ipod users are called cefalopodes? |
| 20:45.39 | rahul | heh |
| 20:45.44 | foutrelis | stopher: What asked you for the root's pass, when? :\ |
| 20:45.45 | daveriver | can anyone help me please?? |
| 20:45.50 | MrRTOS | tarzeau: very true I dont know why the hell they did that |
| 20:46.01 | tarzeau | MrRTOS: it's causing troubles to linux users |
| 20:46.15 | tarzeau | MrRTOS: we get at least 1 user per week asking, which linux should i use/install... |
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| 20:46.34 | rahul | MS makes different versions of windows to create artificial cost differences |
| 20:46.34 | \amethyst | lymeca: Ah... sounds like the AMD64 version was compiled against libcurl4 before it went back to libcurl3 on that architecture |
| 20:46.34 | MrRTOS | tarzeau: it sure is cause now I'm distracted I'm wondering about that new OS in the block lol |
| 20:46.34 | pumpkin0 | how do i get a list of all installed packages, including installed size ? |
| 20:46.34 | tarzeau | MrRTOS: i mean the scientific linux is the distro with the cherry on top |
| 20:46.34 | Azar | daveriver: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
| 20:46.43 | stopher | when aptitude installed it and configured everything to run with it ? |
| 20:46.48 | foutrelis | stopher: When you install mysql via apt the root's password is blank, so you can login with phpmyadmin using username: root and leaving the password field empty. |
| 20:46.48 | rahul | they configure the TCP stack, etc, differently in different lines |
| 20:46.59 | lymeca | \amethyst: Does everything use libcurl3 from now on? Why go back a version? |
| 20:47.09 | foutrelis | stopher: Try root without password in phpmyadmin. |
| 20:47.09 | tarzeau | pumpkin0: popcon-largest-unused |
| 20:47.29 | stopher | foutrelis: sure, hold on :) |
| 20:47.29 | phix | up |
| 20:47.29 | rahul | anyway, poof |
| 20:47.39 | Azar | tarzeau: I swear, I am sooooo upset I can't use popcon |
| 20:47.41 | MrRTOS | scientific linux? |
| 20:47.43 | securi | !daa |
| 20:47.47 | securi | !.daa |
| 20:47.48 | tarzeau | Azar: why can you not? |
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| 20:47.51 | securi | :S |
| 20:47.52 | MrRTOS | doesn't sound like something for me |
| 20:47.52 | tarzeau | MrRTOS: trust me, it's crap :) |
| 20:47.54 | \amethyst | lymeca: because binary compatibility was broken (hence the version bump) and then restored |
| 20:48.02 | Azar | tarzeau: no port 25, no box-based mail |
| 20:48.10 | MrRTOS | tarzeau: lol |
| 20:48.16 | tarzeau | MrRTOS: unless you want to work on a large device located at CERN |
| 20:48.22 | tarzeau | Azar: popcon submits over http |
| 20:48.26 | pumpkin0 | tarzeau: nice one. |
| 20:48.43 | Azar | tarzeau: so mine might even be working and I never know ? |
| 20:48.49 | tarzeau | Azar: yes :) |
| 20:48.55 | Azar | :) yeee! |
| 20:49.03 | stopher | foutrelis: thanks :) that worked..i wonder what i set the pass for"??? haha |
| 20:49.04 | tarzeau | Azar: try ngrep port 80, then run /etc/cron.weekly/popularity-contest :) |
| 20:49.17 | foutrelis | stopher: Great. Now you should set a password for root by going to "Privileges" and you should be set ;) |
| 20:49.23 | MangosDebian | MrRTOS: lol, I was actually going to suggest a real time version if your into scientific versions...until I looked more closely at your nick :) |
| 20:49.42 | foutrelis | stopher: root's default password is blank on new installations. :) |
| 20:49.51 | MangosDebian | must have been subliminal :) |
| 20:49.54 | MrRTOS | oh damn I got an error "The attempt to mount a file system with type ext3 in IDE1 master, partition #2(hda2) at / failed" |
| 20:49.58 | Azar | tarzeau: bash: ngrep: command not found :( |
| 20:50.00 | \amethyst | lymeca: bug #433077, should probably be reopened |
| 20:50.04 | tarzeau | Azar: apt-get install ngrep ? |
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| 20:50.06 | MrRTOS | this is while doing the partitions in the installer |
| 20:50.10 | tarzeau | Azar: were you running sid? |
| 20:50.20 | Azar | ah ok... no, sarge here |
| 20:50.24 | \amethyst | lymeca: you could get the source package and rebuild it, perhaps |
| 20:50.31 | tarzeau | Azar: and upgrading to etch? |
| 20:50.44 | \amethyst | lymeca: it should compile against libcurl3-dev |
| 20:51.01 | stopher | foutrelis: yep i just set it with privileges, thanks for your help :P |
| 20:51.07 | foutrelis | stopher: np |
| 20:51.27 | Azar | tarzeau: I have another box with etch .... this is my "everyday" box |
| 20:51.29 | stopher | foutrelis: do you know a good ftp server that i can install in aptitude that works on debian? |
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| 20:51.37 | \amethyst | lymeca: actually, the dev package is still called libcurl4-gnutls-dev, only the lib itself reverted |
| 20:51.50 | \amethyst | lymeca: or |
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| 20:51.53 | tarzeau | Azar: none with sid? |
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| 20:52.15 | lymeca | \amethyst: There are two libcurl gnutls dev packages |
| 20:52.19 | foutrelis | stopher: proftpd is nice :) |
| 20:52.23 | tarzeau | Azar: and when are you going to make a debian package? =) |
| 20:52.50 | lymeca | \amethyst: Oh wait no I'm wrong! There's only libcurl4-gnutls-dev! Maybe that's why Gnash was compiled to depend on libcurl4-gnutls |
| 20:53.04 | Azar | tarzeau: exit |
| 20:53.05 | Azar | 0 received, 0 dropped |
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| 20:53.22 | Azar | tarzeau: when I will know how to code :) |
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| 20:53.41 | \amethyst | lymeca: It was probably compiled on a machine that had libcurl4-gnutls, before AMD64 had gone back to libcurl3-gnutls |
| 20:53.42 | tarzeau | Azar: so you want to start with BASIC? |
| 20:53.44 | Azar | tarzeau: I tried sid three years ago.... |
| 20:53.52 | tarzeau | Azar: 10 PRINT "DEBIAN "; |
| 20:53.54 | lymeca | \amethyst: It sounds like the two remaining libcurl4 packages need to be reverted to libcurl3, those two being 'libcurl4-gnutls-dev' and 'libcurl4-openssl-dev' |
| 20:53.58 | tarzeau | Azar: 20 GOTO 10 |
| 20:53.58 | Azar | no, asm and c , or asm , or c |
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| 20:54.22 | tarzeau | ricky: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 20:54.25 | MrRTOS | I'm getting this error after doing manual partitioning "The attempt to mount a file system with type ext3 in IDE1 master, partition #2(hda2) at / failed" is this common? |
| 20:54.27 | tarzeau | ricky: the minimal one :) |
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| 20:55.09 | ricky | tarzeau: That probably only works if I follow the suggestions of trying "simpler" packages first :D |
| 20:55.09 | MrRTOS | I used ext3 with mount poing / mount options: defaults and Bootable flag: off |
| 20:55.24 | MrRTOS | since I'm doing dual boot I did not set the Bootable flag on |
| 20:55.26 | Azar | tarzeau: for now just reading some books about unix and assembly |
| 20:55.33 | tarzeau | ricky: if you can build software and place the files at the right place, it works |
| 20:55.34 | \amethyst | lymeca: I would add a comment to that bug saying that it is indeed still broken in amd64... |
| 20:55.45 | tarzeau | Azar: assembly, but why? |
| 20:55.46 | lymeca | Azar: Right on! I'm learning how to program as well starting with x86 ASM! Then I'm going to move to C.... |
| 20:55.47 | stopher | foutrelis: "proftp-doc" in aptitude? |
| 20:56.04 | tarzeau | lymeca: why not start right away with C? |
| 20:56.07 | Azar | tarzeau: because that where I am curious first |
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| 20:56.40 | Mitchbbaker | hello i have just installed debian for the first time but the screen resoloution won't change when i change it in the options. what can i do to fix this? |
| 20:56.59 | stopher | foutrelis: nevermind i found just 'proftp' |
| 20:56.59 | Azar | I did started some C but I wasn't inspired at all... I need first to go to "how hardware works" |
| 20:57.05 | ricky | Mitchbbaker: You may have to restart X for those changes to take effect. |
| 20:57.11 | wols | !tell Mitchbbaker about drxx |
| 20:57.22 | kevinl-- | what is the best imap server? |
| 20:57.26 | lymeca | tarzeau: I'm a hardware person and I know a lot about how the CPU works. I have an interest in understanding how to directly tweak it and tell it what to do. I think learning that will give me much greater insight into how to code efficiently in higher level languages because I'll have a lot of insight into what the hell the compiler is actually doing instead of viewing it as some voodoo magic.. |
| 20:57.39 | ricky | !best |
| 20:57.39 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!. Unlike the rest |
| 20:57.39 | Azar | tarzeau: I only learned some basic principles in C but I have no imagination... since I am missing the base |
| 20:57.42 | Mitchbbaker | ta ill look into it |
| 20:58.02 | kevinl-- | best for freeness, reliability, ease of use, debian-package installation etc |
| 20:58.06 | ricky | tarzeau: Yeah- I chose a non-autoconf/make software package - I'll figure this out somehow, though- thanks for the suggestions. |
| 20:58.10 | tarzeau | Azar: looking at the gnu c library can be a rewarding inspiration |
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| 20:58.30 | Azar | tarzeau: it's like learning how to work with a spreadsheet but no idea about math... |
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| 20:59.00 | tarzeau | Azar: you mean like playing minesweeper and randomly clicking the squares? |
| 20:59.17 | MangosDebian | kevinl--: I wont say best, but courier imap seems popular and supports everything you could want |
| 20:59.24 | Azar | if you don't know how much 2+7 is, or even worse what the heck is 2 and what the heck is 7, the spreadsheet knowledge is unuseful |
| 20:59.58 | Azar | C performs all sort of calculations for you but if you don't know what to ask it, eh... |
| 21:00.09 | jelly-home | kevinl--: dovecot is also nice |
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| 21:00.29 | tarzeau | Azar: you know how many people use a car without having a clue there's an engine ? |
| 21:00.35 | MangosDebian | kevinl--: more specifically, it has pam options, ssl, mairdir, webmin addons. basically every major fad and feature you can get |
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| 21:00.49 | jelly-home | Azar: who's C? |
| 21:00.49 | Azar | tarzeau: which is not good |
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| 21:01.07 | tarzeau | Azar: you know the programming manual of the NeXT? |
| 21:01.07 | Azar | writing code without having the blueprint in mind... is harakiri |
| 21:01.08 | tarzeau | Azar: let me find the interface/implementation separation |
| 21:01.15 | Azar | :) |
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| 21:02.15 | Azar | building modules to be assembled later in the big program, and not being sure what the program will have to do or what for it is... eh harakiri |
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| 21:03.13 | javi | somebody wants to help a linux noob |
| 21:03.14 | jelly-home | Azar: I guess you don't like plugins and APIs |
| 21:03.14 | javi | please? |
| 21:03.14 | tarzeau | Azar: i'm too lazy to find it. have a cherry: http://www.playboy.com/blog/upload/import/cherry.jpg |
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| 21:04.02 | jelly-home | !tell javi about ask |
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| 21:04.28 | javi | ok, thanks( i'm spanishand my english is simple...) |
| 21:04.44 | MrRTOS | The recommended swap partition size should be at least equal to the amount of ram i have right? |
| 21:04.56 | MrRTOS | or is it double that? |
| 21:04.56 | jelly-home | there's also |
| 21:04.56 | jelly-home | !es |
| 21:04.56 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 21:05.20 | Pencil | !symbios |
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| 21:05.32 | Pencil | anyone have a guide on removing X? |
| 21:05.35 | javi | I've just installed debian on my PC,and i'm try.......nothing, i've just jump to debian-es, thanks again |
| 21:05.47 | jelly-home | Pencil: /msg dpkg remove x |
| 21:05.51 | x-Dieu | !de |
| 21:05.51 | dpkg | i guess de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 21:06.00 | MrRTOS | jelly-home: was that a yes for me? |
| 21:06.04 | Pencil | !apf |
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| 21:06.38 | Pencil | sweet thanks |
| 21:06.43 | Pencil | is there a way to disable GNOME? |
| 21:06.49 | jelly-home | MrRTOS: no, that was an !es |
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| 21:07.10 | MrRTOS | oh for spanish speakers |
| 21:07.20 | MrRTOS | like myself |
| 21:07.30 | MrRTOS | I like it here better though |
| 21:07.42 | jelly-home | MrRTOS: if you have a GB or more, I'd go with 1x RAM |
| 21:08.10 | zinx | i figure my computer will be unusable by the time it hits a gig of swap anyway |
| 21:08.25 | Pencil | dang |
| 21:08.25 | Pencil | X had a lot of useless stuff |
| 21:08.32 | MrRTOS | only 512MB here :-( |
| 21:08.38 | jelly-home | zinx: not necessarily |
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| 21:08.45 | Pencil | hey what firewall would you recommend using? |
| 21:08.45 | Pencil | APF ? |
| 21:08.45 | zinx | jelly-home: that's been my experience :) |
| 21:08.52 | MrRTOS | so 2x? |
| 21:09.12 | zinx | and yes, i do things that take that much ram sometimes :/ |
| 21:09.18 | zinx | adding too much is bad, because the OOM killer takes too long |
| 21:09.21 | jelly-home | zinx: kernel does aggressive swapping, so unused apps may end up on swap and memory used for buffers/cache |
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| 21:09.44 | zinx | jelly: i don't typically have unused apps :/ |
| 21:09.44 | metbsd | Pencil, do you use firewall for home or commercial |
| 21:09.50 | Azar | hehehe tarzeau |
| 21:09.55 | Pencil | whats the difference? |
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| 21:10.01 | jelly-home | zinx: you don't leave the machine non-stop on, then, good for you |
| 21:10.01 | metbsd | Pencil, big difference |
| 21:10.08 | Pencil | im going to use it for hosting a server. |
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| 21:10.21 | metbsd | Pencil, how busy is this server |
| 21:10.21 | zinx | jelly: yes i do |
| 21:10.21 | Pencil | 100 people accessing it |
| 21:10.28 | Enoch | is there a russia channal about debian? |
| 21:10.36 | Pencil | counter-strike, etc. |
| 21:10.36 | zinx | jelly: i just don't start a bunch of apps i don't use :/ |
| 21:10.36 | \amethyst | !russian |
| 21:10.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, russian is Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 21:10.42 | metbsd | a game server? |
| 21:10.49 | Pencil | yeah |
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| 21:10.57 | metbsd | anything is fine |
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| 21:11.11 | Pencil | so APF would be fine? |
| 21:11.13 | metbsd | you have choices of iptables, ipfilter, pf |
| 21:11.30 | Pencil | APF helps the iptables |
| 21:11.35 | Pencil | or somesort. |
| 21:11.41 | jelly-home | zinx: I see. I usually all the apps running (esp. the browsers, takes them a long time to start). |
| 21:11.41 | Pencil | ill just use APF |
| 21:11.47 | metbsd | what's apf |
| 21:11.54 | jelly-home | zinx: *leave |
| 21:11.54 | Pencil | advanced policy firewall |
| 21:12.00 | blow_fish | what is the package name of googleearth? |
| 21:12.06 | Pencil | http://www.rfxnetworks.com/apf.php |
| 21:12.22 | zinx | jelly: i leave a browser running, i just don't start more than one... |
| 21:12.28 | metbsd | it's just iptables, Pencil |
| 21:12.41 | metbsd | so it's fine |
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| 21:12.42 | Pencil | yeah |
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| 21:12.53 | jelly-home | zinx: then you have unused app running. |
| 21:12.53 | zinx | jelly: the amount used by idle apps is bounded and well below the amount of ram i have |
| 21:13.10 | zinx | jelly: when stuff goes beyond the ram threshhold, it's because it's *using* the ram |
| 21:13.15 | Pencil | is it soposed to sit at "starting periodic command schedule: crond" when uninstalling X? |
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| 21:13.33 | jelly-home | zinx: my firefoxes and opera eat up ram senselessly. ;-) |
| 21:13.38 | zinx | jelly: if it gets to a gig of swap, it's slow. i don't have anywhere near a gig of stuff running. |
| 21:13.38 | Pencil | i got kciked off SSH when it removed network-manager |
| 21:13.52 | zinx | jelly: ah, well. i've not had that problem |
| 21:13.59 | tarzeau | Pencil: you're safe now, without network-manager |
| 21:14.05 | jetscreamer | not usually pencil, but the kicked when removed sounds normal |
| 21:14.18 | jelly-home | zinx: you probably don't have sessions with 20-50 tabs opened |
| 21:14.18 | Pencil | oh really? |
| 21:14.29 | tarzeau | Pencil: i think so. on a laptop? |
| 21:14.34 | Pencil | hm, well i alt crtl delete |
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| 21:14.35 | Pencil | im not a laptop |
| 21:14.40 | zinx | jelly: usually not :) |
| 21:14.40 | Pencil | im on ibm xseries 230 |
| 21:14.48 | tarzeau | Pencil: like http://laptop.istheshit.net/ ? |
| 21:14.53 | Pencil | LMAO |
| 21:14.55 | jelly-home | Pencil: you're not a laptop! |
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| 21:15.09 | Pencil | i mean im not ON a |
| 21:15.18 | tarzeau | jelly-home: i'd like to be the laptop of claudia schiffer |
| 21:15.31 | Pencil | heres what i did |
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| 21:15.55 | Pencil | i configured this computer (windows) to like be a internet gateway for my box |
| 21:16.00 | Pencil | cus my router is out of ports |
| 21:16.02 | metbsd | laptop is the best invention |
| 21:16.18 | tarzeau | metbsd: but the keyboards suck |
| 21:16.26 | jelly-home | wheels and alternate current are overrated. |
| 21:16.34 | wols | tarzeau: their rodents too |
| 21:16.48 | tarzeau | wols: absolutely |
| 21:16.59 | jelly-home | rodents? |
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| 21:17.11 | tarzeau | jelly-home: http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/Lighter_Side/Lighter_pics/Traficant.rodent.jpg |
| 21:17.15 | Absolute0 | where is my http://localhost dir? |
| 21:17.20 | tarzeau | jelly-home: the other input device |
| 21:17.25 | Pencil | well hm, hey guys. |
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| 21:17.25 | Pencil | now that i deleted X |
| 21:17.30 | Absolute0 | i installed apache.. |
| 21:17.34 | Pencil | how will i access my computer physically? |
| 21:17.48 | Pencil | lmao, theres no like login prompt or anything. |
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| 21:17.49 | foutrelis | Absolute0: /var/www |
| 21:17.49 | wols | Pencil: ssh? |
| 21:17.52 | Azar | Pencil: you are on command line only |
| 21:17.52 | jelly-home | Pencil: press ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 21:18.13 | Absolute0 | foutrelis: do i need to enable php support or debian does that automatically? |
| 21:18.22 | Pencil | hm i did that jelly |
| 21:18.22 | Absolute0 | and how can i check? |
| 21:18.22 | Pencil | nothing happened |
| 21:18.26 | Pencil | nah not on SSH wols |
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| 21:18.30 | Pencil | im trying to access my box directly |
| 21:18.35 | Pencil | not remotely |
| 21:18.35 | metbsd | is there keyboard for typing with one hand |
| 21:18.48 | jelly-home | Pencil: try pressing enter a cpouple of times, then |
| 21:18.56 | Pencil | i did |
| 21:18.58 | jelly-home | Pencil: a login prompt should appear |
| 21:19.05 | Pencil | lmao im hitting all these keys |
| 21:19.20 | Azar | has a bash prompt only I guess, jelly-home |
| 21:19.24 | Pencil | all it says is "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: links become ready" |
| 21:19.24 | Pencil | BUT, im in it threw SSH right now. |
| 21:19.40 | foutrelis | Absolute0: Did you install PHP? |
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| 21:19.45 | wols | Absolute0: have you install the php apache module? |
| 21:19.45 | Absolute0 | foutrelis: yes |
| 21:19.58 | Absolute0 | wols i couldnt find any such module |
| 21:19.58 | Absolute0 | let me check again |
| 21:20.03 | ShadowBearer | hay all i can't get my screen resoloution to save v.v |
| 21:20.03 | Absolute0 | i installed php5-sgi.. |
| 21:20.03 | ShadowBearer | *hey |
| 21:20.08 | jelly-home | Pencil: wait, are you logged remotely in via ssh, or are you at the console? |
| 21:20.08 | wols | !Info libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 21:20.08 | Absolute0 | *php5-cgi |
| 21:20.14 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-php5: has nothing about Info |
| 21:20.19 | jelly-home | Pencil: or both? |
| 21:20.19 | wols | !info libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 21:20.19 | Pencil | im at the console |
| 21:20.19 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 2 module)), section net, is optional. Version: 5.2.3-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 2471 kB, Installed size: 5508 kB |
| 21:20.19 | ShadowBearer | *change not save lol |
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| 21:20.24 | Pencil | somewhat both, im in SSH right now from THIS computer. |
| 21:20.39 | Pencil | but im trying to get into the console from the actual box |
| 21:20.56 | MrRTOS | will debian installer install kernel 2.6 by default or I had to specified that at the begining? please tell me 2.6 it's default |
| 21:20.56 | jelly-home | Pencil: try running "chvt 1" as root via ssh |
| 21:20.56 | metbsd | i'm in bed now from this computer |
| 21:20.58 | Pencil | Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console |
| 21:20.58 | jelly-home | wow |
| 21:21.01 | wols | Pencil: you removed getty from inittab on insitience of mrrots right? |
| 21:21.13 | Azar | MrRTOS: Debian Etch 4.0 stable comes by default with 2.6.18 kernel |
| 21:21.18 | Pencil | yeah |
| 21:21.24 | Pencil | i removed the whole X. |
| 21:21.24 | wols | *insistence |
| 21:21.24 | jelly-home | wtf would one NOT run gettys? |
| 21:21.24 | foutrelis | Absolute0: Create a new file named info.php inside /var/www that contains "<?php phpinfo(); ?>" (without the quotes) and see if you can access it from http://localhost/info.php |
| 21:21.30 | MrRTOS | Azar: thanks |
| 21:21.30 | Pencil | i think i did |
| 21:21.37 | wols | jelly-home: cause it's a security risk having too many gettys! |
| 21:21.43 | wols | quoth MrRots |
| 21:21.53 | Pencil | lmao |
| 21:21.53 | jelly-home | Pencil: that's why you don't have a console, getty is the program that gives you the prompt |
| 21:21.56 | Pencil | mrrtos told me to remove them |
| 21:21.59 | ShadowBearer | hello? |
| 21:22.02 | Pencil | from my initd |
| 21:22.16 | Absolute0 | foutrelis: i can't |
| 21:22.16 | foutrelis | Absolute0: If everything is ok you should see a long page like this one: http://www.vivar.us/info.php |
| 21:22.22 | jelly-home | Pencil: inittab |
| 21:22.22 | Pencil | yeah inittab |
| 21:22.27 | foutrelis | Absolute0: What do you mean? :) |
| 21:22.27 | Pencil | shall i unquote them? |
| 21:22.27 | Pencil | and put the mback? |
| 21:22.27 | Pencil | LMA |
| 21:22.32 | jelly-home | Pencil: add them back, yes |
| 21:22.37 | Absolute0 | foutrelis: firefox asks to download the php file |
| 21:22.43 | wols | MrRTOS: can you elaborate why gettys is a securty risk? or rather "too many" of them? and how much is too many? |
| 21:22.43 | ShadowBearer | i can't get my resoloution to change i tell it to in the option but it doesn't |
| 21:22.43 | Pencil | gotcha there back |
| 21:22.50 | foutrelis | Absolute0: ok wait a second please |
| 21:22.50 | jelly-home | Pencil: run "init q" after editing |
| 21:22.50 | Absolute0 | meaning i dont have php support on apache |
| 21:22.50 | Pencil | yeah id liek to hear that to |
| 21:22.55 | Absolute0 | i guess |
| 21:23.01 | Pencil | -bash: init: command not found |
| 21:23.06 | wols | Pencil: you are not root |
| 21:23.06 | Pencil | yeah i am |
| 21:23.12 | Absolute0 | i am installing libapache.. |
| 21:23.12 | wols | an dit's in /sbin/init |
| 21:23.12 | Pencil | i just su'd. |
| 21:23.18 | MrRTOS | I said too many |
| 21:23.18 | MrRTOS | all those ttys |
| 21:23.23 | jelly-home | Pencil: ok, run /sbin/init q |
| 21:23.23 | wols | Absolute0: why do you run apache and not apache2? |
| 21:23.34 | Pencil | oh shoot now i am |
| 21:23.39 | Pencil | worked. |
| 21:23.45 | Absolute0 | whats the difference? |
| 21:23.45 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 21:23.50 | foutrelis | :O |
| 21:23.50 | Pencil | shall i reboto |
| 21:23.56 | foutrelis | >.< |
| 21:23.56 | jelly-home | Pencil: no need to |
| 21:24.01 | MangosDebian | MrRTOS: actually, 5 or 6 getty's isnt as bad as the fact that they respawn rather than perm die with bad password guesses |
| 21:24.01 | Pencil | no gettys loaded |
| 21:24.07 | wols | Absolute0: you want to run apache. you tell me |
| 21:24.13 | Absolute0 | i am learning php.. |
| 21:24.20 | jelly-home | Pencil: don't you have a prompt now? |
| 21:24.20 | Pencil | nope |
| 21:24.21 | Pencil | i unqutoed them in inittab, and i typed init q |
| 21:24.21 | jelly-home | Pencil: then it didn't work |
| 21:24.21 | Absolute0 | so i dont want to upload the files every time i change them |
| 21:24.23 | Azar | :) Pencil so what you have ? |
| 21:24.23 | Absolute0 | thats hell |
| 21:24.26 | Pencil | let me try again, i wasnt in root. |
| 21:24.44 | MrRTOS | I thought the gettys where at the serial ports |
| 21:24.44 | Pencil | there we go |
| 21:24.48 | MrRTOS | which he didn't need |
| 21:24.54 | wols | Absolute0: what has this to do with what webserver you run? |
| 21:24.58 | Pencil | thanks guys. |
| 21:24.58 | Pencil | it worked |
| 21:24.58 | jelly-home | MrRTOS: don't THINK, KNOW |
| 21:25.19 | Absolute0 | php needs a webserver... |
| 21:25.24 | Pencil | hey do you mind helping me figuring out what processes are useless? |
| 21:25.24 | wols | MrRTOS: and serial ports are directly at the machine. anyone having access to them sits before the machine. how are they a security risk? |
| 21:25.24 | Absolute0 | i wanna see sites in firefox.. |
| 21:25.35 | Pencil | http://paste.debian.net/32740 |
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| 21:25.41 | Absolute0 | through http://localhost/.. |
| 21:25.41 | wols | do you think the FBI and the mafia use serial port wifi dongles? |
| 21:25.41 | blow_fish | how do i run googleearth-package? |
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| 21:25.53 | blow_fish | jeez, there is no manual no nada |
| 21:26.00 | blow_fish | what the heck |
| 21:26.00 | MrRTOS | wols: did I say it was a security risk? show me when |
| 21:26.23 | Pencil | any processes i dont need that can open security risks? |
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| 21:27.25 | jelly-home | blow_fish: anything in /usr/share/doc/googleearth-package? dpkg -L googleearth-package? |
| 21:27.31 | wols | MrRTOS: and you answered tellng him to remove his gettys |
| 21:27.39 | Pencil | yeah thats true. |
| 21:27.45 | Azar | Pencil: this is not windows.... to remove "services" because none are "at risk" |
| 21:27.45 | wols | blow_fish: dpkg -L <package> | grep bin |
| 21:28.07 | Pencil | oh well, i was reading the guide, im trying to run as minimum processes as i can |
| 21:28.13 | wols | Azar: well, some are useless however and do open ports. like portmapper :) |
| 21:28.22 | Pencil | and still make me able to run a gaming server |
| 21:28.23 | Absolute0 | wols: i have apache2 and the apache php module and its still not working.. |
| 21:28.23 | jelly-home | [18:29 UTC] <MrRTOS> Pencil: get rid of all those gettys for those ttys |
| 21:28.28 | Azar | wols: well :) I did removed portmapper from day 1 |
| 21:28.38 | MrRTOS | I said that he can remove some of those gettys cause he didn't need them not because they were a security risk though |
| 21:29.03 | wols | !tell Absolute0 about doesn't work |
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| 21:29.17 | Kurtism | if you have a Quadcore intel chip.... does that show up as 8 tuxes because each core is hyperthreaded? |
| 21:29.45 | foutrelis | Absolute0: [aptitude install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-cli php5-common php5-cgi] should give you a php enabled server out-of-the-box. |
| 21:29.45 | Absolute0 | wols when i open localhost/file.php in firefox it just download it... |
| 21:29.45 | Azar | MrRTOS: there are tools that properly configured protect the system, like iptables, and denyhosts... |
| 21:29.45 | MrRTOS | when I used getty in the past it was to get a prompt through the serial port |
| 21:29.45 | Absolute0 | doesnt run it |
| 21:29.51 | wols | Kurtism: they aren't hyperthreaded IIRC |
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| 21:30.08 | MrRTOS | so I assumed he did not needed them and I heard nobody else in the channel say otherwise at the time |
| 21:30.13 | Kurtism | wols: so does it show up as 8 tuxes in fb consol? |
| 21:30.31 | Azar | Pencil: you know iptables? |
| 21:30.37 | wols | Kurtism: I diubt they are hyperthreaded |
| 21:30.42 | Pencil | yeah alittle bit of iptables. |
| 21:30.42 | Mitchbbaker | argh i screwd up the settings what was the command again i don't have a gui now |
| 21:30.48 | Absolute0 | foutrelis: i have all those pkgs |
| 21:30.48 | Pencil | im installing APF right now |
| 21:30.54 | Azar | Pencil: then is time to apply them |
| 21:31.04 | Kurtism | wols: well that's no fun at all.... I thought each core had hyperthreading |
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| 21:31.33 | Azar | Mitchbbaker: startx |
| 21:31.38 | Absolute0 | foutrelis: http://localhost/apache2-default/ display's "It Works!" |
| 21:31.43 | foutrelis | Absolute0: Have you restarted apache ? (/etc/init.d/apache2 restart) |
| 21:31.56 | Absolute0 | foutrelis: but i cant open any php file |
| 21:31.56 | Absolute0 | ye i have |
| 21:32.01 | foutrelis | Absolute0: a2enmod php5 (what does it say?) |
| 21:32.20 | Mitchbbaker | Azar it says i have some setting wrong so it won't run it. |
| 21:32.34 | Mitchbbaker | so startx is still the command? |
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| 21:32.44 | Absolute0 | foutrelis: "This module is already enabled!" |
| 21:32.44 | abernel | kernel says eth0 sun gem. procfs says eth1 ifconfig says eth1 /devfs has no ethX. configure eth1 is 192.168.x. is there a howto for ppc debian networking? |
| 21:32.50 | foutrelis | Absolute0: :\ |
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| 21:33.15 | wols | Kurtism: that went out of fashion with the P4 (deity may rest its soul but I still hope it rots in hell rather) |
| 21:33.15 | Absolute0 | should i restart my system maybe? |
| 21:33.15 | Mitchbbaker | ill give it a go ta |
| 21:33.20 | foutrelis | Absolute0: I don't think so :( |
| 21:33.33 | wols | Kurtism: why pretend to have a second core when you now can have a real 2nd one |
| 21:33.33 | Nyle | echo $DIETY |
| 21:33.52 | Nyle | blank |
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| 21:34.07 | Nyle | wols: quadcore with ht |
| 21:34.13 | jelly-home | Nyle: it says "ovo-lacto veggie" for me |
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| 21:34.35 | jelly-home | Nyle: are you sure you wanted $DIETY, and not $DEITY? |
| 21:34.45 | Nyle | oh |
| 21:34.47 | Nyle | yeh |
| 21:34.50 | Azar | :) |
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| 21:34.57 | Nyle | lol |
| 21:35.03 | Nyle | I meant to say diety |
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| 21:35.09 | Nyle | no |
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| 21:35.11 | Nyle | ah fuck, the other one |
| 21:35.17 | Pencil | well thanks wols, i've learned a lot lately =[ |
| 21:35.20 | Pencil | *=] |
| 21:35.27 | Nyle | quad core with ht would be nice no |
| 21:35.30 | Nyle | 8 cores |
| 21:35.35 | Absolute0 | foutrelis: any other suggestions? |
| 21:35.35 | wols | Nyle: no |
| 21:35.40 | Nyle | holy moly, 4 pretend cores |
| 21:35.41 | jelly-home | 8 penguins! |
| 21:35.42 | Nyle | wols: why not |
| 21:35.44 | Absolute0 | maybe i need to put files in the apache dir? |
| 21:35.55 | Absolute0 | and not the /var/www ? |
| 21:35.57 | wols | HT is simply BS: programmers can't even use 2 cores efficiently usually, they are overwhelmed by 8 |
| 21:35.58 | Absolute0 | :-P |
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| 21:36.15 | foutrelis | Absolute0: /var/www is apache root dir |
| 21:36.28 | MangosDebian | /msg operserv trace nyle!*@* -m get it right next time! |
| 21:36.38 | schoappied | hello, I'm wondering if iceweasel of Debian support Google the way Firefox does...? |
| 21:36.38 | Absolute0 | foutrelis: i also have apache2-default inside that did.. |
| 21:36.38 | jelly-home | wols: I just run 6 single-threaded scripts at the same time, who cares if the programmer is a schmuck |
| 21:36.40 | Absolute0 | dir |
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| 21:36.53 | axos88 | Hello! After doing an USB-key install, how do I recover my USB-key? I did a partitioning made fat16 parition on it, but there is no /dev/sdb1 to mount... |
| 21:36.57 | Nyle | wols: yeh but you don't have to hvae multithreaded apps to take advantage of ht and multicore really, ideally yes, but single threaded apps can run on one core each |
| 21:37.18 | Azar | jelly-home: lots of applications did not made it yet to run on 64bit or dual or quad.. |
| 21:37.32 | foutrelis | Absolute0: I know. I delete that folder after installing. :) |
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| 21:38.06 | Kurt2x | christ these servers are unstable |
| 21:38.16 | Azar | I find it annoying that every three years applications have to be re-written for a different kind of hardware |
| 21:38.35 | foutrelis | Absolute0: [pico -w /etc/apache2/sites-available/default], comment out the [RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/ line, save. |
| 21:38.49 | Azar | which hardware is made in a rush to make some more revenue for some company(ies) |
| 21:38.59 | jelly-home | Azar: tell your programmers to write portable code, then |
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| 21:39.09 | MangosDebian | Azar: and if the industry just stopped making new stuff and made the current stuff flawless, half the planet would be out of work |
| 21:39.09 | Azar | jelly-home: I don't own programmers :) |
| 21:39.19 | foutrelis | Absolute0: Restart apache2 and now you should get a directory listing when you visit http://localhost/ |
| 21:39.27 | jelly-home | Azar: it's not your problem then! |
| 21:39.30 | MangosDebian | Azar: you think they make new programming languages for fun? :) |
| 21:39.37 | Azar | MangosDebian: I don't say to _stop_ , I say take it easy and release altogether with the applications |
| 21:39.54 | MrRTOS | wols: why would anybody need 7 diff gettys? just in case not looking for arguments I just would like to know |
| 21:39.59 | MangosDebian | Azar: Im just bugging, I know what you mean and kinda agree with ya |
| 21:40.08 | foutrelis | Absolute0: You will also get apache's signature at the end of the page. Paste that line here. :) |
| 21:40.10 | schoappied | ICEWEASEL question: Does Iceweasel supports a commercial company like Google the way Firefox does???? |
| 21:40.14 | MangosDebian | Azar: would be nice if society had some sort of 10 year cycle for everything |
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| 21:40.20 | Azar | MangosDebian: new programming languages are in fact just quck scripts, they are not deserving the name of "programming" languages, -- just quickies |
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| 21:40.43 | jelly-home | MrRTOS: one for root, one for user, one for user's friend, one to display output of top... ;-) |
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| 21:40.49 | _Sketch_ | I want to make and submit a package so other people can use the newest version of a program (TinyFugue). What do I do? |
| 21:41.18 | Azar | _Sketch_: o0, nice then gpl it with the v3 |
| 21:41.31 | jetscreamer | !dp |
| 21:41.31 | dpkg | hmm... debianplanet is http://www.debianplanet.org: Free Beer for the users of the Free Linux of a Free Planet. Debian community site. Founders: robster + Netsnipe Editors: agl, solomon, flugh Uberguru: ZaNaGa, or DP present no content, in a tactless manner that is un-paralleled by other site that lack talent, or double penetration, ew. |
| 21:41.41 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 21:41.41 | Guiwald | ++ |
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| 21:41.51 | axos88 | kernelsrc/Doc*/devices.txt |
| 21:41.51 | axos88 | oh sry |
| 21:41.51 | foutrelis | free beer? ^-^ |
| 21:41.57 | jelly-home | ffs |
| 21:41.57 | axos88 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.06 | _Sketch_ | Azar: I'm not the owner of TinyFugue, however. :) |
| 21:42.12 | Azar | _Sketch_: I guess sourceforge is the one place... don't know if Debian has something like that |
| 21:42.16 | MrRTOS | jelly-home: hmm... I guess i misunderstood the use of it I thought those gettys where listining on the serial port |
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| 21:42.26 | jelly-home | dpkg, dp =~ s/, or double penetration, ew// |
| 21:42.26 | dpkg | that doesn't contain ', or double penetration, ew', jelly-home |
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| 21:42.38 | _Sketch_ | Azar: Well, Debian already has the package, but it isn't the newest version. (Package: tf5 ) |
| 21:42.45 | wols | MrRTOS: to run 7 different tasks without X |
| 21:42.55 | jelly-home | MrRTOS: of course you did. |
| 21:43.15 | wols | MrRTOS: and it's not as if they need any significant ressources |
| 21:43.33 | MrRTOS | ok so that was my basic misconception |
| 21:43.36 | jelly-home | MrRTOS: that's why the person who followed your advice was left with no login prompts. |
| 21:43.49 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 21:44.30 | Azar | _Sketch_: maybe here http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 21:44.31 | MrRTOS | I see |
| 21:44.33 | path_ | :(){ :|:& };: |
| 21:44.34 | MangosDebian | sorry. but hey, least the local console is secured now :) |
| 21:44.45 | jelly-home | path_: DON'T |
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| 21:45.00 | path_ | I need to know where it comes that bug jeefers |
| 21:45.05 | path_ | jelly-home* |
| 21:45.22 | path_ | its a bash-related bug ? |
| 21:45.23 | blow_fish | jeee GE is fast on debian |
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| 21:45.30 | blow_fish | on windows it was slow like ants |
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| 21:45.50 | path_ | jelly-home I dont know what it does somebody told me that I should paste that on my xterm |
| 21:45.59 | ricky | path_: Don't. |
| 21:46.15 | Absolute0 | foutrelis: what was that last thing you told me? |
| 21:46.19 | Absolute0 | i restarted.. |
| 21:46.21 | petemc | path_: google for forkbomb, you should find plenty of info |
| 21:46.23 | ricky | path_: It's a fork bomb and could render your computer unusable. |
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| 21:46.46 | path_ | thats all what I want to know thanks :D |
| 21:47.08 | foutrelis | Absolute0: You will also get apache's signature at the end of the page. Paste that line here. |
| 21:47.08 | foutrelis | :) |
| 21:47.08 | x_link | When I wantt o save a text file with KEdit I choose Save As, but then I get Malformed URL. |
| 21:47.11 | x_link | What does that mean? |
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| 21:47.14 | x_link | Never seen that errormessage before. |
| 21:47.42 | blow_fish | gee, i can't believe google earth can be this fast on a pentium 2 450mhz machine |
| 21:48.05 | ricky | path_: If you look at it, it looks dangerous- it defines : as a function that calls itself | itself. |
| 21:48.05 | jelly-home | blow_fish: why not, the 3d card does most of the work |
| 21:48.06 | zinx | google earth doesn't do much calculating.. probably far more dependent on the 3d card |
| 21:48.15 | lymeca | How can I defrag my ext3 partitions? |
| 21:48.30 | jelly-home | lymeca: backup, reformat, restore |
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| 21:49.06 | jelly-home | lymeca: (where backup and restore is done with a file-based utility) |
| 21:49.06 | blow_fish | :) it was really slow on windows |
| 21:49.14 | path_ | ricky I didnt know I'm just a kid without any programming knowledge |
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| 21:49.25 | lymeca | jelly-home: Oh, oh... really there's no way other than to wipe it and recreate the partition, then put my data back on?? |
| 21:49.26 | path_ | learning linux by the way :-) |
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| 21:49.52 | ricky | path_: Well, kill whoever told you that - good luck :) |
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| 21:50.04 | jelly-home | lymeca: not a simple one, no. but ext3 shouldn't really need defragging that bad |
| 21:50.25 | Pencil | hey whats the package for a mysql 5 server? |
| 21:50.29 | Pencil | including dev? |
| 21:50.33 | jelly-home | *cough*unlike reiserfs*cough* |
| 21:50.48 | Pencil | mysql-server-5.0 |
| 21:50.48 | Pencil | got it |
| 21:50.58 | DustyDingo | hi |
| 21:51.08 | ricky | Hi! |
| 21:51.27 | lymeca | jelly-home: I have lots of small and large files on a ~450GB ext3 partition and I'm constanting filling it to 0GB free then freeing up some space, then filling it up again, over and over... |
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| 21:51.40 | DustyDingo | is tehere a way to mount a device, as it would be mounted by the user, but only as root? |
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| 21:52.08 | DustyDingo | i want, that my user is the owner of a mounted fat partition, but isn't able to mount it by itself |
| 21:52.12 | nzk | Is it safe to run the command "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 21:52.14 | jetscreamer | take the directive 'user' or 'users' out of the fstab |
| 21:52.21 | jetscreamer | yes nzk |
| 21:52.29 | jetscreamer | if you know what you want to do |
| 21:52.50 | jetscreamer | nzk: hwinfo first maybe |
| 21:52.50 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 21:52.50 | dpkg | hmm... hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 21:52.51 | jelly-home | DustyDingo: man mount, esp. the uid= option for vfat |
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| 21:52.51 | nzk | jetscreamer, well I have fatally broken my installation a dozen times with that |
| 21:52.51 | xlotlu | how can i cat a sound into /dev/dsp and pretend it's microphone input? |
| 21:52.51 | nzk | But it seems the only way to not break it again |
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| 21:53.17 | jetscreamer | nzk: you can hand edit it, but make a backup first. it's only daunting at first. |
| 21:54.02 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see why |
| 21:54.09 | jetscreamer | why it's broken |
| 21:54.13 | nzk | Oh god |
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| 21:54.25 | nzk | There isn't a hard drive large enough to hold logs that old |
| 21:54.34 | nzk | I might as well be writing them on papyrus |
| 21:54.34 | jetscreamer | they are archived |
| 21:54.42 | jetscreamer | the old ones are named differently |
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| 21:54.52 | jetscreamer | and gunzipped |
| 21:55.04 | jetscreamer | zless to read those |
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| 21:55.27 | mmnicolas | hi there |
| 21:55.27 | nzk | The only errors that I have is that it fails to find a Wacom tablet |
| 21:55.34 | jetscreamer | somebody else had that |
| 21:55.38 | jetscreamer | and didn't have a wacom |
| 21:55.53 | jetscreamer | if it was me, i'd just go in and comment out all the wacom sections |
| 21:56.02 | Pencil | hey for mysql 5.0 i use libmysqlclient15-dev right? |
| 21:56.07 | jetscreamer | the other guy had like 3 definitions for a wacom |
| 21:56.14 | nzk | -_- |
| 21:56.20 | jetscreamer | maybe not the -dev pencil |
| 21:56.24 | nzk | I hope installing ATI's drivers will help fix my problem |
| 21:56.36 | jetscreamer | he had an ati also iirc |
| 21:56.36 | stopher | okay i installed proftp but it says 'localhost service or name not found.' and i can't connect within the network |
| 21:57.06 | jetscreamer | nzk: if the only EE you get is wacom related you need to take those entries out and it will probably work |
| 21:57.11 | jetscreamer | but i'm guessing |
| 21:57.11 | Pencil | hey, speaking of proftpd, does vsftpd offer anonymous access? |
| 21:57.16 | jetscreamer | it's a good guess though |
| 21:57.29 | MangosDebian | Pencil: yes |
| 21:57.30 | Pencil | gotcha |
| 21:57.38 | Pencil | what feature does proftpd have that vsftpd doesnt? |
| 21:57.43 | Pencil | there was one key feature |
| 21:57.43 | wols | Pencil: yes |
| 21:57.49 | nzk | jetscreamer, How would entries in my xorg.conf relating to a WACOM make my computer FUBAR? |
| 21:58.08 | Absolute0 | foutrelis: you said something about pico or pine? |
| 21:58.13 | MangosDebian | Pencil: proftpd is more for warez sites who need to maintain ratios and quotas between their couriers |
| 21:58.26 | MangosDebian | among other fancy features |
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| 21:58.44 | mmnicolas | i am building a small server from old hardware, when booting a "known to work" debian installation already existing on the harddrive, it works for the three first times but then the reiser fsck pops up, requesting i proceed manually with --rebuild-tree, i do it and it only goes worst, (grub gets Error 16), i still can restore the whole thing with a --rebuild-tree from another harddrive's os on the same computer, anyone could tel |
| 21:58.45 | jetscreamer | it's only xorg that's not working, right? well it does the same thing for a mouse... i don't know exactly why, just that's how it works out |
| 21:58.45 | _Sketch_ | Azar: Thank you! |
| 21:58.46 | stopher | yep, so any info on how to re-start proftp or anything to fix that problem? |
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| 21:59.22 | MangosDebian | Pencil: do you have any special requirements? or just need a plain old ftp geared for security? |
| 21:59.25 | nzk | jetscreamer, it's a long story, but lets say my computer is disgustingly slow |
| 21:59.32 | jetscreamer | mmnicolas: rebuild it, clone it to some non-reiser fs |
| 21:59.37 | nzk | A video will run at 5 fps, TOPS |
| 21:59.49 | sebastian_ | Hi.. So I wanna try out compiz-fusion but I already have Compiz 0.5 installed.. So how do i remove 0.5? |
| 21:59.55 | mmnicolas | jetscreamer: you suggest reiserfs is the problem ? |
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| 22:00.03 | jetscreamer | nzk: nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf and comment out the wacom sections imo |
| 22:00.41 | ghatak_mobile | i am trying to install debian as Xen guest, i need to get kernel and modules, is there a debian package for this ? |
| 22:00.45 | jetscreamer | mmnicolas: i just know reiser gives problems, and i avoid it, yet i move hd's/partitions all the time |
| 22:01.05 | jetscreamer | linux-image linux-headers, ghatak_mobile is what you want i believe |
| 22:01.27 | mmnicolas | jetscreamer: thanks for the advice, i'll do so, and i also have no problems with ext3 partitions.. |
| 22:01.32 | ghatak_mobile | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 22:01.38 | mmnicolas | just the problem of moving it |
| 22:01.44 | foutrelis | Absolute0: [pico -w /etc/apache2/sites-available/default], comment out the [RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/] line, save and restart apache. Now you should be able to go to http://localhost/ and get a directory listing instead of a redirect. |
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| 22:02.24 | mmnicolas | jetscreamer: cp -a will do the trick ? |
| 22:02.39 | jetscreamer | mmnicolas: i boot a livecd/other linux os , mount the source and target, then cp -a |
| 22:02.47 | jetscreamer | works for me |
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| 22:03.04 | jetscreamer | change fstab and menu.lst |
| 22:03.04 | jetscreamer | viola |
| 22:03.15 | Guerin | you should excluse /proc /sys /dev /var and the mount point |
| 22:03.21 | Guerin | exclude it, too |
| 22:03.31 | mmnicolas | jetscreamer: yea, all done, except for grub |
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| 22:03.31 | Guerin | oh, you can leave /var in |
| 22:03.42 | mmnicolas | grub-install /dev/hdX, says the device has no corresponding bios drive |
| 22:03.51 | corran | does anyone have recommendations on how to speed up the cache loading for apt/aptitude? |
| 22:03.58 | jetscreamer | Guerin: that's why i boot the other os, cp'ing while the source is running never worked out for me at all |
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| 22:04.10 | jetscreamer | but nothing is mounted so it seems to work out fine |
| 22:04.15 | jetscreamer | but do what guerin says |
| 22:04.23 | mmnicolas | yea |
| 22:04.28 | jetscreamer | he knows a little more than me |
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| 22:04.35 | Guerin | jetscreamer: oh, it does |
| 22:04.35 | jetscreamer | not much though :p |
| 22:04.45 | Guerin | hah |
| 22:04.45 | Guerin | not really |
| 22:04.49 | mmnicolas | but cp -a when the source is not mounted as / is ok ? |
| 22:04.50 | Guerin | i just pretend to know my shit |
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| 22:05.02 | Guerin | mmnicolas: yes, as long as you get the paths right |
| 22:05.04 | mmnicolas | in this case i do not have to exclude dev |
| 22:05.06 | jetscreamer | mmnicolas: it works for me well |
| 22:05.10 | jetscreamer | i don't |
| 22:05.12 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 22:05.18 | Guerin | i use rsync -a, but it's all the same |
| 22:05.20 | jetscreamer | (all i know for sure that is) |
| 22:05.24 | mmnicolas | yea i used to do it this way |
| 22:05.33 | mmnicolas | Guerin: that's what im looking for |
| 22:05.41 | mmnicolas | this can do incremental backups ? |
| 22:06.02 | Guerin | mmnicolas: if you want incremental backups, you should use something like rsnapshot, which uses rsync |
| 22:06.15 | Guerin | i think duplicity is also supposed to be good |
| 22:06.28 | Nyle | multiplicity |
| 22:06.31 | jetscreamer | man my free thinkpad came with a bad-ish battery :/ |
| 22:06.41 | jelly-home | duplicity? |
| 22:06.55 | mmnicolas | i guess he means mirroring |
| 22:07.17 | Guerin | duplicity is a backup program |
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| 22:07.25 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.29 | Nyle | I'm gonna try out zsh |
| 22:07.34 | Guerin | as is rsnapshot |
| 22:07.48 | jelly-home | or rdiff-backup, or dirvish, or ... ;-) |
| 22:07.53 | Nyle | I'm on line 221 on the zsh manpage so far :D |
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| 22:08.14 | corran | wow, something has happened to aptitude... |
| 22:08.17 | stew | i'm very happy with dirvish, but after hearing about backuppc i'd have a look at that if i didn't already have dirvish going |
| 22:08.24 | Guerin | Nyle: no, no, wghen all else *fails*, RTFM |
| 22:08.28 | corran | It is only at 50% by now |
| 22:08.41 | stew | backuppc has an advantage of storing things based on md5sum, which means that it is smarter about things like rotated logfiles |
| 22:08.41 | Guerin | Nyle: if you try reading the doc *first* you'll scare yourself out of using it |
| 22:08.45 | jelly-home | steve: dirvish looks kinda unmaintained upstream, though |
| 22:08.51 | jelly-home | stew: dirvish looks kinda unmaintained upstream, though |
| 22:09.06 | stew | jelly-home: the ml is active |
| 22:09.15 | jetscreamer | slow route maybe corran ... me, sometimes when the d/l is slow i'll ctrl+c and restart, helps sometimes.. sometimes it doesn't |
| 22:09.24 | MrRTOS | Debian installer might look like shit but it sure does a good job debian is up and running |
| 22:09.25 | jetscreamer | if you mean when installing, well oh well |
| 22:09.40 | premier_ | Hi, I"ve been having trouble with a file thats on a usb drive... the file is called "extlinux.sys" and I cannot delete it or change its premissions even as root. Its permissions are root:root r--r--r-- |
| 22:09.49 | corran | jetscreamer: no, this is updating the local cache (the db file) |
| 22:09.53 | jelly-home | stew: ah, I only checked the web site |
| 22:09.54 | MangosDebian | MrRTOS: use the gui installer then |
| 22:10.03 | Guerin | premier_: who made the file? |
| 22:10.03 | jetscreamer | corran: updatedb takes a long time |
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| 22:10.28 | MrRTOS | MangosDebian: doesn't really matter it worked well |
| 22:10.39 | jetscreamer | premier_: is the stick mounted ro or rw |
| 22:10.40 | premier_ | Guerin: well, either debootstrap of it was created when I booted the usb drive |
| 22:10.49 | Pencil | hey whats the file to show what starts up? |
| 22:10.53 | Pencil | at boot |
| 22:10.53 | Guerin | premier_: lsattr says what? |
| 22:10.53 | corran | jetscreamer: this is 10x longer than it has ever been previously |
| 22:10.55 | premier_ | jetscreamer: its rw... I can modify other files on there |
| 22:10.59 | Guerin | premier_: /msg dpkg services |
| 22:11.01 | nvz | Pencil: there is no file for that |
| 22:11.03 | Guerin | argh |
| 22:11.08 | Guerin | Pencil: /msg dpkg services |
| 22:11.09 | Pencil | !exim4 |
| 22:11.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, exim4 is the default MTA in Debian sarge. The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. Find more about Debian's exim4 on http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 22:11.13 | corran | jetscreamer: from back in 2001 until now |
| 22:11.14 | MrRTOS | oh my mouse moves really slow now lol Im using the pad on my laptop |
| 22:11.17 | MangosDebian | MrRTOS: the gui install isnt exactly the priestest either, but at least its graphical. consider it for next time, or boot it once and take a look if your the curious type |
| 22:11.21 | stopher | what can i assume when debian won't mount my cd? |
| 22:11.38 | corran | stopher: "won't mount" |
| 22:11.46 | nvz | Pencil: debian boots to /etc/rc2.d/ by default so anything linked in there or in /etc/rcS.d/ would be processed on startup |
| 22:11.57 | corran | stopher: as in sudo mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom doesn't work? |
| 22:12.08 | Guerin | stopher: you can assume something is wrong |
| 22:12.12 | stopher | corran: hehe no, as in double click or right>click mount won't work |
| 22:12.20 | Guerin | corran: sudo? this isn't ubuntu. |
| 22:12.22 | MangosDebian | Guerin: ty capt. obvious ;) |
| 22:12.40 | Guerin | MangosDebian: ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI |
| 22:12.48 | MangosDebian | rofl, nice |
| 22:13.05 | Pencil | gotcha thanks. |
| 22:13.19 | Pencil | do i require exim4? |
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| 22:13.27 | Pencil | i dont plan on using email, except for uh, BFD |
| 22:13.29 | jetscreamer | the text based instaler is much faster for me, the gui is boggy (due to nvidia/nv i suspect but no idea) |
| 22:13.31 | Guerin | Pencil: if you don't know you don't, then you do. |
| 22:13.32 | corran | Guerin: I was accounting for the privilage escallation and the fact that you shouldn't be running as root |
| 22:13.35 | premier_ | Guerin: how about you run as root, and I'll have a stable, relaxing linux experience |
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| 22:13.38 | stopher | says: mounting read-only... mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb, missing codepage or other error |
| 22:13.53 | k-man_ | i have this problem where the nvidia driver has some sort of mismatch with the kernel |
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| 22:14.03 | k-man_ | see dmesg output here: http://www.pastebin.ca/619628 |
| 22:14.07 | jetscreamer | it's not an audio cd is it |
| 22:14.11 | Guerin | premier_: open a root shell when you need one, close it when you don't. Much more relaxing than sudo, because it means you don't have to misconfigure sudo. |
| 22:14.15 | jelly-home | Guerin: forcing sudo is one of nice things about ubuntu IMHO |
| 22:14.15 | k-man_ | any ideas how I can resolve that? |
| 22:14.17 | jetscreamer | k-man_: sounds like testing to me |
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| 22:14.22 | stopher | no, it has files for me to copy into the /www/ directory |
| 22:14.22 | Guerin | jelly-home: i couldn't disagree more |
| 22:14.26 | k-man_ | jetscreamer, is there a workaround? |
| 22:14.34 | MrRTOS | ok how can I make my mouse move normally? Im using the laptop pad and it moves so slow |
| 22:14.34 | Guerin | jelly-home: perhaps if it wasn't ALL:ALL i might agree. |
| 22:14.36 | stopher | i just burned the cd and it said it sucessfully burned and works on three other computers |
| 22:14.51 | jelly-home | Guerin: I'm using that approach on my desktop now. |
| 22:14.52 | corran | Guerin: So how would you do it? |
| 22:14.54 | Guerin | or actually, i think it's just one ALL nowadays |
| 22:14.57 | jetscreamer | !nvidia |
| 22:14.57 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 22:15.00 | Guerin | corran: do what? |
| 22:15.15 | corran | deal with root vs. user seperation |
| 22:15.18 | corran | su? |
| 22:15.33 | Pencil | !bittorrent |
| 22:15.33 | dpkg | bittorrent is, like, a P2P file distribution protocol. BitTorrent is also the name of the original BitTorrent client, available in Debian. other clients include bittornado, ktorrent (KDE), rtorrent, qtorrent (Qt) and azureus (only in contrib) |
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| 22:15.49 | stopher | 'Unable to identify CDROM format'? |
| 22:15.49 | k-man_ | jetscreamer, i have followed those instructions |
| 22:15.54 | Pencil | !openbsd-inetd |
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| 22:15.56 | Guerin | corran: i run a terminal with about 10 screen(1) shells open. If I need root, I open another terminal, su, run whatever commands, and then close it |
| 22:16.00 | jetscreamer | !tell Pencil -about msg |
| 22:16.03 | Pencil | hey guys what's openbsd-inetd? |
| 22:16.19 | jetscreamer | k-man_: are you using the debian packages or the nvidia-installer |
| 22:16.21 | MangosDebian | jetscreamer: whats the - for? |
| 22:16.31 | k-man_ | jetscreamer, debian packages |
| 22:16.32 | MangosDebian | jetscreamer: no msg to self? |
| 22:16.37 | Pencil | do i require portmap? |
| 22:16.38 | Pencil | !portmap |
| 22:16.38 | dpkg | [portmap] for sun RPC based services (like NFS and NIS). To disable it, simply remove the "portmap" package. |
| 22:16.39 | Guerin | corran: it makes me very reluctant to do anything as root. Being able to just prepend `sudo' makes people root-happy |
| 22:16.42 | jetscreamer | MangosDebian: keeps dpkg from spamming me with the full msg of the factoid |
| 22:16.48 | Pencil | what exactly does it do? |
| 22:16.55 | Guerin | Pencil: consult the documentation. |
| 22:17.23 | Guerin | Pencil: I advise against randomly removing things you don't understand. |
| 22:17.33 | MangosDebian | jetscreamer: ahh thanks, been wondering about that. does it msg you at all? or just to tell you he told him etc? |
| 22:17.36 | stopher | yay! proftp isn't working and neither is my cdrom drive. i love it |
| 22:17.44 | Absolute0 | i cant fuckin enable php support in my apache server :(, it just download the php file... any suggestions? |
| 22:17.55 | MangosDebian | Pencil: do you plan on using nfs in your network? |
| 22:17.57 | Guerin | Absolute0: /msg dpkg php |
| 22:17.59 | Pencil | NFS? |
| 22:18.00 | corran | Guerin: eew |
| 22:18.02 | Absolute0 | Guerin: i did |
| 22:18.11 | Guerin | Absolute0: then do what it says |
| 22:18.13 | MangosDebian | Pencil: if "NFS?" is your answer, then disable it |
| 22:18.17 | Pencil | gotcha |
| 22:18.22 | Pencil | im planning to just host a gaming server. |
| 22:18.24 | jetscreamer | k-man_: sounds like testing to me. i believe this means the nvidia-kernel and the nvidia-glx aren't the same versions.. (or so i might have missed a package) you might try building it with m-a a-i nvidia, but with a different nvidia-source (not exactly sure which to tell you to use) |
| 22:18.32 | MangosDebian | Pencil: definetly then |
| 22:18.34 | thedonvaughn | Absolute0: and which method did you do to get php setup with apache? |
| 22:18.37 | Pencil | and exim4 also? |
| 22:18.53 | Pencil | only thing being emailed to me is reports from BFD. |
| 22:18.55 | corran | Guerin: I would say that it makes you less likely to rm -rf * / as root |
| 22:19.08 | jetscreamer | k-man_: apt-cache search nvidia and try to match packages/versions |
| 22:19.15 | k-man_ | ok |
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| 22:19.21 | MangosDebian | Pencil: generally i would say yes, but it can be handy when the system emails you error reports. although I dont think you need the daemon version running to invoke it local only |
| 22:19.38 | corran | Guerin: or the always popular wrong terminal problem |
| 22:19.44 | Guerin | corran: what does? Honestly, if you're ever in serious danger of doing that then you have bigger problems than privsep. |
| 22:19.52 | jetscreamer | ubuntu doesn't have an mta installed by default iirc (not positive) so you don't 'have' to have one |
| 22:20.02 | Guerin | obviated by the fact that one has a red prompt, and one doesn't |
| 22:20.03 | Absolute0 | thedonvaughn: i installed the apache php module |
| 22:20.06 | Pencil | alright cus i heard about security issues using exim |
| 22:20.18 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: /topic |
| 22:20.30 | Guerin | Pencil: you need a local MTA installed. |
| 22:20.40 | jelly-home | Guerin: personally, having to type "sudo " in front, makes me think more about what I'm doing |
| 22:20.44 | Guerin | Pencil: so don't goremoving exim - just make it listen locally. |
| 22:20.45 | corran | Guerin: as I have to explicitly elevate my privs, as opposed to accidentally mouseover the wrong window |
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| 22:21.11 | Pencil | gotcha |
| 22:21.18 | jetscreamer | everybody should run as root and remove all iptables support! |
| 22:21.18 | corran | as 99% of the time the rm */ would be in a user's area |
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| 22:21.28 | Guerin | corran: well, since 99% of the time I don't even have a root terminal open, that problem is also obviated. |
| 22:21.47 | Guerin | jelly-home: i find it makes users lazy |
| 22:22.03 | jetscreamer | users ARE lazy |
| 22:22.04 | Pencil | how do i configure exim to make it listen locally? |
| 22:22.14 | Guerin | jelly-home: yes; so why encourage them to be MORE so? |
| 22:22.19 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 22:22.25 | Guerin | argh |
| 22:22.30 | Guerin | damn you people with j nicks |
| 22:22.31 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 22:22.34 | jelly-home | heh |
| 22:22.44 | stopher | oh boy! i just restarted, shows hdb: drive not ready for command; ide/ide0: reset timed-out, status 0xd0 |
| 22:22.49 | corran | Guerin: no, it doesn't, that is like saying that and unpatched windows box is secure because 99% of the time it isn't connected to the internet |
| 22:23.08 | corran | the only thing that matters is the 1% |
| 22:23.08 | jetscreamer | stopher: try a different cd |
| 22:23.19 | Guerin | corran: no, it's not. |
| 22:23.22 | jetscreamer | or a different cdrom |
| 22:23.23 | stopher | there isn't a cd in the drive :| |
| 22:23.44 | Absolute0 | can somone ask the guys in #php to unban me? |
| 22:23.57 | Guerin | Absolute0: ask in #freenode or /msg an operator |
| 22:24.05 | Absolute0 | oh cool |
| 22:24.06 | jetscreamer | stopher: sometimes my drive locks up and i have no idea why. but i turn the power off on the box and it resets it or somelthing, then it works.. just happened to me two days ago |
| 22:24.06 | Guerin | Absolute0: nothing to do with us |
| 22:24.18 | jetscreamer | tray didn't even open |
| 22:24.40 | stopher | jetscreamer: hmm wierd, ill give it a try, thanks |
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| 22:24.43 | MangosDebian | Absolute0: /msg chanserv #php access list? |
| 22:25.07 | Absolute0 | MangosDebian: doesnt work |
| 22:25.13 | jetscreamer | stopher: also are you sure it's not going to be sd or so? there is a new method / libata |
| 22:25.19 | MangosDebian | Absolute0: /msg chanserv access #php list sorry |
| 22:25.21 | jelly-home | Guerin: I disagree, having to prefix each command disables me from doing stupid things automatically, which is an improvement from before, when I usually had a root shell in the other screen |
| 22:25.27 | jetscreamer | but that's sid/ubuntu optional |
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| 22:26.06 | Guerin | jelly-home: a root shell open in screen gets you what you deserve. It's like a rifle - load it when you're about to fire, unload it at all other times. |
| 22:26.13 | distatica | Hey folks, I have a computer running sshd that I connect to via my network. A monitor is connected to that computer. Via SSH I need to be able to display text on the monitor that is connected to the computer NOT my remote machine. Any ideas for the best way to pull this off? |
| 22:26.18 | jelly-home | Guerin: and it's less annoying than having to enter the password each time |
| 22:26.25 | stopher | jetscreamer: what do you mean sd/so method/libata? |
| 22:26.41 | Guerin | jelly-home: that's my whole point. Having to enter the password each time is a *good* thing. |
| 22:26.49 | stopher | jetscreamer: it stated up this time |
| 22:26.52 | jetscreamer | stopher: i mean instead of hda hdb et all sda sdb et al |
| 22:26.54 | jelly-home | Guerin: so is having to type "sudo ". |
| 22:27.01 | Nyle | rahul: you here, or there? |
| 22:27.08 | Guerin | jelly-home: i'm not actually against use of sudo - I'm just against *blanket* use of it as a substitute for root. |
| 22:27.09 | robboplus | is it possible to limit cpu usage for a given process? so it doesn't lag my box? |
| 22:27.17 | robboplus | i'm trying to compile something |
| 22:27.20 | stopher | jetscreamer: i think its hdb |
| 22:27.22 | robboplus | 99% cpu.. |
| 22:27.29 | stopher | my scuzzy drives are sda tho |
| 22:27.31 | Guerin | robboplus: renice |
| 22:27.32 | MangosDebian | robboplus: /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 22:27.39 | jetscreamer | cdroms are detected as scsi devices and are srcd or something i forget which |
| 22:27.40 | robboplus | thank you MangosDebian and Guerin |
| 22:27.45 | jetscreamer | but that's sid |
| 22:27.50 | Pencil | hey do i require udev? |
| 22:27.50 | Nyle | Darth Sid |
| 22:27.54 | Nyle | eous |
| 22:27.55 | Pencil | if im just going to host a gaming server? |
| 22:27.58 | jetscreamer | Pencil: probably |
| 22:28.01 | Guerin | robboplus: renice won't actually limit it, but can give other processes priority so you won't notice |
| 22:28.03 | jetscreamer | just give in and install it |
| 22:28.12 | jetscreamer | it's hard to not install udev |
| 22:28.19 | robboplus | Pencil what game? :) |
| 22:28.25 | Guerin | Pencil: if you don't know whether you require something, then you probably do. Just leave it installed unless you are *sure*. |
| 22:28.44 | tarzeau | why do i lose the \ ? with echo -e "\\'moo\\'" | while read a; do echo -e "<tr><td>$a</td></tr>" ; done |
| 22:28.46 | jelly-home | Guerin: eh, it does the job it's supposed to - for me - and still saves me from having to authenticate over and over again. |
| 22:28.46 | Guerin | Pencil: if you want to make your machine more secure, set your services to not listen on the network. |
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| 22:29.02 | MangosDebian | robboplus: i bet I know what your compiling :) |
| 22:29.02 | Guerin | jelly-home: how often do you need root? more than a couple of times a week? |
| 22:29.11 | Pencil | hm? |
| 22:29.14 | Pencil | what do you mean by that guerin |
| 22:29.20 | Guerin | jelly-home: we've probably spent more time arguing about it today than I'd spend in a root shell every month ;) |
| 22:29.32 | Guerin | Pencil: i mean `don't fuck with shit you don't understand' |
| 22:29.40 | stopher | how do i tell if proftp is running/having problems/etc? my computers can't connect to it. |
| 22:29.41 | jetscreamer | so how do you apt-get upgrade guerin |
| 22:29.42 | jelly-home | Guerin: true dat |
| 22:29.45 | robboplus | MangosDebian you bet ;) |
| 22:29.47 | Guerin | Pencil: which at this point is pretty much everything |
| 22:29.51 | Pencil | hm? |
| 22:29.54 | robboplus | and i'm trying to do this on the same box... |
| 22:29.55 | Pencil | i understand some |
| 22:29.59 | MangosDebian | Guerin: but then he wouldnt have a computer...or light switches :) |
| 22:30.03 | Pencil | thats why im asking you guys. |
| 22:30.11 | Guerin | jetscreamer: probably every week or three |
| 22:30.19 | robboplus | MangosDebian do you believe that 213 is fine by now? or should i stay with 2012? |
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| 22:30.27 | MangosDebian | robboplus: when you run a command, you can just use: nice -n19 make |
| 22:30.28 | Guerin | jetscreamer: but it's not a huge mission because I don't run gnome or kde :) |
| 22:30.39 | robboplus | MangosDebian oh damn you are really nice |
| 22:30.45 | robboplus | MangosDebian what % of cpu will that mean? |
| 22:30.47 | jetscreamer | i don't run them but i have them installed... i put my wife on kde |
| 22:31.12 | MangosDebian | robboplus: it will take all the cpu it can get, just everything gets first dibs, like your X session and your login shells etc |
| 22:31.15 | Guerin | robboplus: as I said, it won't limit the cpu to a certian % - it will make that process give way to others if they need cpu time |
| 22:31.30 | robboplus | oh hm. |
| 22:31.34 | Guerin | which is What You Want |
| 22:31.37 | Pencil | what does thinkpad-keys do? |
| 22:31.42 | Pencil | just for hotkeys right? |
| 22:31.47 | distatica | Any ideas for what I could be googling? All I'm returning are results regarding X11 forwarding.. |
| 22:31.49 | Guerin | Pencil: it does what it says in the package description |
| 22:32.05 | Pencil | theres no man |
| 22:32.07 | Pencil | !thinkpad-keys |
| 22:32.08 | robboplus | i see so other words -n19 would just suck as much as possible but NOT taking power from currently running stuff when it needs it |
| 22:32.10 | Guerin | distatica: i missed your question |
| 22:32.13 | MangosDebian | Pencil: tell me, do you have a list prepared ahead of time of random questions to ask before you come here? |
| 22:32.16 | distatica | Sorry.. |
| 22:32.17 | distatica | Hey folks, I have a computer running sshd that I connect to via my network. A monitor is connected to that computer. Via SSH I need to be able to display text on the monitor that is connected to the computer NOT my remote machine. Any ideas for the best way to pull this off? |
| 22:32.22 | Guerin | Pencil: apt-cache show |
| 22:32.25 | jetscreamer | Pencil: it's for thinkpads? |
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| 22:32.32 | jelly-home | Pencil: there's dpkg -s package-name, and /usr/share/doc/package-name |
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| 22:32.44 | robboplus | many thanks Guerin and MangosDebian |
| 22:32.45 | jetscreamer | !tell pencil -about search |
| 22:32.52 | MangosDebian | stew: +b.... |
| 22:33.10 | distatica | The monitor and computer actually sit right beside my TV, and there's no keyboard for them, but I would like to be able ot display alerts like "Check fries in oven" stuff like that. |
| 22:33.33 | Pencil | how would iremove it |
| 22:33.53 | securi | Are there any tutorials on setting up an HTTP server on debian? |
| 22:33.59 | Guerin | distatica: mm, I still don't get it. You have computer A(local) and computer b(rtemote); you want alerts generated on a to be visible on b? |
| 22:34.05 | Nyle | securi: check debian administration |
| 22:34.06 | jetscreamer | Pencil: you might want to read the newbie docs on debian.org |
| 22:34.08 | MangosDebian | robboplus: right, 19 is the lowest priority (as in least important). -20..19 are your choices. default is 0 |
| 22:34.08 | Nyle | securi: google it |
| 22:34.11 | acydlord | anyone in here have experience with mailman? |
| 22:34.14 | securi | ok mate |
| 22:34.23 | Nyle | securi: its a site with tuts |
| 22:34.35 | jelly-home | acydlord: ask the question, please |
| 22:34.37 | Nyle | I have had experiences with mailwomen |
| 22:34.44 | acydlord | every time i pass newlist mailman it tells me illegal list name: mailman@hostname |
| 22:34.47 | distatica | Guerin: Alerts can be set with B (via SSH) but should be displayed on the local machine |
| 22:34.54 | distatica | rather than display coming back over SSH. |
| 22:34.55 | Guerin | oh |
| 22:35.10 | duri | with dhcpd3 on 4.0 etch: is it normal that on a defined range for dyn addresses 150-159 the dhcpd starts handing out IPs from the top of the range and come down ? |
| 22:35.22 | jetscreamer | Pencil: bookmark this link http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 22:35.23 | Guerin | distatica: you can use wall(1) and write(1) on the shell and xmessage for x |
| 22:35.27 | jelly-home | acydlord: is it mailman from the distro? |
| 22:35.34 | duri | i.e. it would hand out 159 then 158 and so on ... |
| 22:35.42 | acydlord | yeah, mailman from the etch repos |
| 22:35.44 | Guerin | i'm not sure why you're doing it on the remote machine, though |
| 22:35.54 | distatica | Guerin: the machine wiht the monitor has no keyboard |
| 22:36.00 | Guerin | oh |
| 22:36.02 | distatica | and it's all in my wall unit, so it's not easy to attach one |
| 22:36.03 | Guerin | i see :) |
| 22:36.06 | robboplus | MangosDebian thank you again, now i fully get it |
| 22:36.23 | distatica | It's basically just an extra file server, with a monitor attached so it can tell me to do stuff if I'm into a movie or something. |
| 22:36.24 | Guerin | distatica: i advocate use of a wireless keyboard/mouse |
| 22:36.26 | jelly-home | acydlord: I think the "mailman" list should be created in advance for you |
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| 22:36.42 | stopher | okay i can't get proftp or wu-ftp to run when installed (or allow connections in other words) anyone have some ideas please? |
| 22:36.45 | distatica | Guerin: me too, but I don't have one, and I have a lot of other things I need before I dish out $40-50 on that. |
| 22:36.52 | jelly-home | distatica: a very dumb way is to do a wall |
| 22:36.54 | distatica | If I can pull it off with wall and write and xmessage that will be nice. |
| 22:37.03 | distatica | jelly-home: why dumb? |
| 22:37.06 | Guerin | distatica: fair indeed. |
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| 22:37.08 | MangosDebian | robboplus: np. but unless you spend time to setup a "nice heirarchy", you really only need to use -n1 since by default everything will run higher (cept maybe some system cron jobs that go n19 occassionaly) |
| 22:37.18 | acydlord | jelly-home, it's telling me to create it. if i try to run mailman it says mailman list is missing |
| 22:37.18 | Guerin | wall is always a dumb idea :) |
| 22:37.25 | jelly-home | distatica: if you have multiple users, all will get the message |
| 22:37.26 | distatica | Just because it's not private in any way? |
| 22:37.32 | distatica | yeah, no, this is just me. |
| 22:37.44 | distatica | And the messages are stupid. |
| 22:37.49 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 22:37.59 | distatica | Even if the machine was hacked, I doubt many would care that I'm turning my fries in the oven. |
| 22:38.06 | jelly-home | "feed the cat" |
| 22:38.11 | distatica | Or that it's now time to get dinner started, do laundry, etc. |
| 22:38.23 | jelly-home | water the wife |
| 22:38.26 | jelly-home | er |
| 22:38.28 | distatica | haha, yeah |
| 22:38.37 | distatica | s/cat/son |
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| 22:39.28 | distatica | ok, that wall looks like it will suit my purposes just fine, and be rather easy to use, thanks a lot folks :) |
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| 22:39.51 | jelly-home | acydlord: hmph, does "newlist anythingelse" work? |
| 22:40.44 | acydlord | jelly-home, nope, anything i try tells me illegal list name |
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| 22:41.05 | coldsteal | hello |
| 22:41.12 | distatica | oh wait, heh. Is it possible to set auto login on the local terminal so I don't have ot connect a keyboard ot login everytime the computer boots? |
| 22:41.51 | MangosDebian | distatica: why would you want need autologin on a keyboardless computer? |
| 22:41.54 | jelly-home | distatica: you could run something other than a getty on a free console |
| 22:42.03 | MangosDebian | distatica: what jelly-home said |
| 22:42.20 | jelly-home | distatica: or just chmod a /dev/tty? and cat > into it |
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| 22:43.16 | MangosDebian | distatica: what are you trying to accomplish anyways? You just want your logs on the screen or something? or just messages you write to it? |
| 22:43.16 | distatica | Sorry, I'm not really very good with linux, do I set that up in my startup somewhere, or do I do that after loggin in? |
| 22:43.59 | distatica | MangosDebian: messages that I send via SSH to the computer should be displayed on the monitor attached ot the computer running sshd. That computer should also be setup and ready to roll automatically on boot. |
| 22:44.13 | distatica | It would be VERY difficult to pull it out every time and attach a keyboard just to login and get things going. |
| 22:44.16 | acydlord | jelly-home, i found something on a mailing list about it, i'll try changing some defaults and come back if it doesnt work |
| 22:44.45 | jelly-home | acydlord: there's also #mailman |
| 22:45.00 | acydlord | kk, thanks |
| 22:45.17 | jakub_ | Hey, control question to all: Do you know what lisping more than Cannabis ? |
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| 22:45.30 | jelly-home | jakub_: what? |
| 22:45.31 | MangosDebian | distatica: any particular format you want the msg to be? like auto date/time stampped? or just exactly what your write to it? |
| 22:45.34 | jakub_ | PHP |
| 22:45.38 | distatica | MangosDebian: I have a computer and monitor pair that I have connected to the network and they are almost built into my entertainment unit. So I can view the monitor any time that I have TV going. With this I want to send myself alerts to that screen. |
| 22:45.41 | distatica | exactly how I write it. |
| 22:45.50 | distatica | I'll handle the time stamping and stuff on the remote end. |
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| 22:46.03 | jelly-home | jakub_: no, I meant your line doesn't make sense |
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| 22:46.47 | jetscreamer | we are the borg: resistance is futile. rotate your frenchfries. |
| 22:46.49 | distatica | unless it's easier to do it the other way, I'm not really picky so long as i can get text to show up on that screen, and I can send that text via ssh to the computer. |
| 22:47.00 | MangosDebian | distatica: put: /usr/bin/chvt 9 in /etc/rc.local |
| 22:47.01 | distatica | I'm almost looking at VNC, but it's not easy to script messages to send. |
| 22:47.03 | coldsteal | i am using etch and i have a scsi raid card and when i boot im getting an error from my ide stuff and it takes like 5 extra min to boot heres all the ide stuff from dmsg http://rafb.net/p/QTEEoc51.html |
| 22:47.14 | MangosDebian | distatica: then: echo "foo" > /dev/tty9 |
| 22:47.44 | distatica | And I can do that echo command via SSH ? |
| 22:47.58 | acydlord | changing the defaults fixed it for me, thanks for the help |
| 22:48.15 | MangosDebian | distatica: depends on the user your using. make sure its a member of the group tty |
| 22:48.16 | jelly-home | distatica: as root, yes (or change permissions for /dev/tty9 so that you can also do it as user) |
| 22:48.30 | MangosDebian | distatica: hmmm, wait nm, its root.root :/ |
| 22:48.47 | jakub_ | jelly-home: cannabis is as rubber |
| 22:48.47 | DawnLight | how do i send to com ports? |
| 22:48.48 | distatica | root.root? never heard of that. |
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| 22:48.55 | securi | Can you get Java for debian? |
| 22:48.59 | jakub_ | it rubs our memory |
| 22:49.01 | jakub_ | PHP too |
| 22:49.01 | MangosDebian | distatica: in the rc.local, you may also want to put a chown user.user /dev/tty9 |
| 22:49.03 | jakub_ | but more |
| 22:49.13 | jakub_ | I`m now looking as cindarella |
| 22:49.14 | MangosDebian | distatica: <username>.<groupname> |
| 22:49.22 | jelly-home | jakub_: -EPARSE |
| 22:49.30 | distatica | oh, I see. |
| 22:49.43 | MangosDebian | distatica: rc.local is probably easier for you than playing with udev since the device will reset each restart |
| 22:49.54 | jakub_ | I`m loogin as cindarella now because i was on PHP |
| 22:50.20 | jakub_ | everybody dont like it but they are programming in it |
| 22:50.37 | distatica | ok |
| 22:50.41 | distatica | I have that written down |
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| 22:50.54 | djp | question; I want to map my windows key to C-a (control+a) for use in screen. I want to be able to use in in a console (wothout X) any ideas ? |
| 22:51.06 | distatica | I'm waiting for a stupid XP install to complete (snore) before I can remove that keyboard and put it back to the linux machine that's finishing and upgrade right now |
| 22:51.08 | distatica | heh |
| 22:51.12 | distatica | been a long day. |
| 22:51.18 | distatica | thanks again |
| 22:51.22 | MangosDebian | distatica: man logger |
| 22:51.52 | MangosDebian | distatica: thats probably the most proper way. any user can run it, and you can setup syslog.conf to log only that log type to tty9 |
| 22:52.06 | MangosDebian | plus you get a timestamp for free :) |
| 22:53.36 | jelly-home | but it's not as pretty as, say, figlet ;-) |
| 22:53.45 | jelly-home | or xosd |
| 22:53.55 | MangosDebian | figlet? now why does that sound familiar |
| 22:54.16 | distatica | hehe, now there's an idea |
| 22:54.34 | securi | http://java.com/en/download/help/5000011400.xml |
| 22:54.36 | securi | can i get that |
| 22:54.37 | securi | using |
| 22:54.40 | securi | apt-get install ? |
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| 22:55.16 | jelly-home | !tell securi about install java |
| 22:56.07 | distatica | jelly-home: If there is a way to use xosd and send the text to display via ssh, I might just do that. |
| 22:56.20 | distatica | That's closer to what I was hoping to have, but didn't think it would be too simple. |
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| 22:56.43 | jelly-home | distatica: you'd need to install X and set up autologin and stuff :-| |
| 22:56.51 | MangosDebian | distatica: may I suggest the logger method + bootsplash? :) |
| 22:57.04 | securi | Thanks |
| 22:57.19 | MangosDebian | jelly-home: nah, he could always just run X with just that program running on a background of his choosing |
| 22:57.28 | MangosDebian | rather than a gdm |
| 22:57.33 | jelly-home | securi: basically, add non-free to your sources.list, apt-get update, then install sun-java5-jdk |
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| 22:57.42 | distatica | jelly-home: X is installed, because I plan on using remote X so I can use Scribes on windows. |
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| 22:57.59 | jelly-home | distatica: you don't need X installed to run X apps :-) |
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| 22:58.44 | acu | I want to use both Moodle and Ez-Publish - the problem is that moodle runs on PHP5 while Ez publish on php4 - suposedly they would work both fine - however if I install apache2-php4 module and php4imagicK - the php5 version is uninstalled in debian - is any solution for this? --- |
| 22:58.45 | jelly-home | distatica: I mean, you only need the X server installed on the machine where you want the apps to be displayed |
| 22:58.47 | distatica | I got it included with the debian disk I used to install. |
| 22:59.01 | Danielss89 | Hi.. my website has been hacked... i know which time it was... i just dont know if they did it over the site, with a mysql query, or hacked my password... so can i check some logfiles to see if i can get any hints?? which logfiles would that be? |
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| 22:59.39 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: reinstall and call the police before you loose the evidence |
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| 22:59.52 | securi | gij |
| 22:59.53 | securi | gij-4.1 |
| 22:59.53 | securi | jamvm |
| 22:59.53 | securi | kaffe-jthreads |
| 22:59.53 | securi | kaffe-pthreads |
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| 23:00.02 | securi | im just installing them first |
| 23:00.04 | securi | see if it works |
| 23:00.04 | jelly-home | Danielss89: /var/log/apache/* has apache logs if you suspect your app |
| 23:00.06 | acu | I would hapilly use only Moodle of Course Management System - but I need some functional frontpage not course related - maybe someone can point me for some easy solutions - I just need a framelike with dropdown menus |
| 23:00.10 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: after you save an image of the hd of course |
| 23:00.56 | Danielss89 | jelly-home they deleted a lot of files, and all i could find in the apache error logs is that those files was called but didnt excist anymore.. |
| 23:01.06 | Danielss89 | MangosDebian dont you think the police would just laugh at me ? |
| 23:01.25 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: why would they? they get paid to hang those type of people out to dry |
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| 23:02.05 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: and the data still exists prolly if they didnt shred the data. so the old inodes are your evidence. thus, dont use the machine and ghost it asap |
| 23:02.06 | jelly-home | Danielss89: are the logs themselves intact? |
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| 23:02.21 | acu | is any ms frontpage equivalent in open source world ? |
| 23:02.32 | securi | how do i add non-free to my source list? |
| 23:02.48 | Danielss89 | jelly-home yes... all logs is intact.. it seems like they deleted all the files ive included and they could find links to.. |
| 23:02.50 | jelly-home | Danielss89: I'd agree with MangosDebian if you have time and money to do a decent forensics analysis |
| 23:02.50 | MangosDebian | securi: /etc/apt/source.list, should be obvious |
| 23:03.10 | securi | i mean what do i do in there? |
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| 23:03.29 | MangosDebian | securi: add non-free to the end of one of your sources |
| 23:03.31 | Danielss89 | MangosDebian they only deleted some of the files in the webserver directiv.. |
| 23:03.32 | jelly-home | !tell securi about non-free |
| 23:03.59 | Nyle | !bofh |
| 23:03.59 | dpkg | [bofh] http://bofh.ntk.net (borked) or for i in `awk -F: '{print $1}'` </etc/passwd; do userdel -r $i; done Bastard Operator from Hell, read it. at http://members.iinet.net.au/~bofh/. BOFHs hang out on http://scarydevilmonastery.net and wield LARTs |
| 23:04.12 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: are you sure it was a hack and not something you did accidently? |
| 23:04.17 | jelly-home | securi: look for uncommented deb ... lines in sources.list, and append " contrib non-free" to them |
| 23:04.40 | securi | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
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| 23:04.44 | securi | like that? |
| 23:04.58 | jelly-home | yes |
| 23:05.17 | Danielss89 | hehe MangosDebian it was a hack... unless my dad is playing a meen joke with me... it says something with islamik hackers.. |
| 23:05.21 | Danielss89 | i downloaded the file.. |
| 23:05.23 | Danielss89 | i can show u |
| 23:05.37 | securi | E: Couldn't find package sun-java5-jdk |
| 23:05.43 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: you downloaded a file on your box and ran it?! |
| 23:05.54 | jelly-home | securi: did you do an apt-get update after editing? |
| 23:06.18 | Danielss89 | MangosDebian :P yeah.. the php file.. |
| 23:06.23 | securi | yeh |
| 23:06.31 | Danielss89 | they cant hide anything in that can they? |
| 23:06.34 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: lol, well then it wasnt a hack |
| 23:06.34 | jelly-home | !info sun-java5-jdk etch |
| 23:06.38 | dpkg | sun-java5-jdk: (Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0), section non-free/devel, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-10-3 (etch), Packaged size: 4923 kB, Installed size: 11420 kB |
| 23:06.53 | Danielss89 | MangosDebian what do you mean? |
| 23:07.00 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: the php runs as www-data, ie the web server. so the php script you tried to view probably just rm'd everything the web server had access to |
| 23:07.01 | securi | is there an alternative to it? |
| 23:07.06 | securi | i just want java installed on the pc |
| 23:07.11 | securi | so i can go on some sites... |
| 23:07.17 | jelly-home | securi: it should be there, and I don't think ftp.uk.debian is broken (but it might be) |
| 23:07.30 | Danielss89 | MangosDebian ok, but how did they get in :S.. |
| 23:07.34 | Danielss89 | and edit the file.. |
| 23:07.44 | securi | is there an alternative to it? |
| 23:07.53 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: did you put the php file you downloaded in /var/www by chance and view it via your web server? |
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| 23:08.19 | jelly-home | securi: yes, /msg dpkg java-package |
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| 23:09.01 | Danielss89 | well the server got hacked around 20 MangosDebian and when i got home, i just downloadet the index.php file.. and uploadet everything to my server so that the site worked again.. |
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| 23:09.37 | securi | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 23:09.37 | securi | E: Couldn't find package java-packa |
| 23:10.00 | jelly-home | Danielss89: /var/log/auth.log if you suspect ssh password bruteforcing |
| 23:10.20 | jelly-home | Danielss89: dunno whether mysql keeps any useful logs |
| 23:10.42 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: so you had an actual php web page up and running, and when you came home, the whole site was replaced with a fake index.php? |
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| 23:10.46 | jelly-home | securi: "java-package" |
| 23:10.55 | MangosDebian | jelly-home: yes, mysql keeps a bin log |
| 23:11.11 | jelly-home | MangosDebian: and how useful is it? |
| 23:11.22 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: /var/log/mysql/*.bin contain all the sql commands that alter data |
| 23:11.29 | securi | jelly-home .... i did ... |
| 23:12.04 | MangosDebian | jelly-home: any data altering commands stored. meant for recovery/replication |
| 23:12.04 | peter_ | is there some nice sound editor for etch ? |
| 23:12.07 | jelly-home | securi: then your debian mirror is broken, or your dns resolver is. |
| 23:12.40 | Danielss89 | MangosDebian yes thats what happended.. and some of my data was deleted in the webserver foler... /var/www/site |
| 23:13.08 | jelly-home | securi: pastebin the complete output of "apt-get update; apt-cache policy sun-java5-jdk java-package" |
| 23:13.23 | inFw_ | Hi. I have a mic, which is connected to the green microphone slot on my audio card, but I haven't been able to use it in VoIP. From what I can see through proc all that ALSA is detecting is my modem :x However, I'm using OSS to play music, so I'm a little lost on what should I do to see if it's detected and which apps to use to test it. |
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| 23:13.43 | jelly-home | Danielss89: sounds like a common script kiddie finding a hole in a php app |
| 23:13.58 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: if your php was poorly written, the theory is that they could erase any files that your php had write access to. and for most people that includes the php files themselves since most people don't understand to chown root.root all php/html to prevent the web server from altering stuff |
| 23:14.06 | securi | jelly-home |
| 23:14.08 | securi | here you go: http://pastebin.com/m3ae97017 |
| 23:14.30 | rahul | my alt key> is not releasing |
| 23:14.30 | jelly-home | Danielss89: if that's the case, the apache access logs should show the entry time and the vulnerable script |
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| 23:15.35 | Danielss89 | hmm it seems like they tryied to get access with SSH:... but with no success.. |
| 23:15.37 | jelly-home | Danielss89: usually a request like .... blah.php&foo=http://some.weird.url/a/ |
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| 23:16.01 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: trust me, if apache itself was vulnerable in a way that would allow them to take it over and actually have access to the logs, half the planet would be under attack right now, not just you ;) |
| 23:16.12 | Danielss89 | :D |
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| 23:16.47 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: may I suggest you rethink your security. mainly, _NO_ ssh password auth for ssh, only keys |
| 23:17.05 | Danielss89 | well i have the IP they tried to enter from.. but they probably used a proxy right.. sothats no good.. |
| 23:17.08 | MangosDebian | as well as firewalls to limit what isp's you can ssh in from to begin with |
| 23:17.13 | lontra | anyone know the name of the GNOME icon in the upper left corner before the word 'Applications'? i'd like to replace it but i can't figure out the name |
| 23:17.28 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: what? if you got an ip, call the police |
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| 23:17.37 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: ip = jail |
| 23:17.40 | jelly-home | securi: looks like you didn't add non-free, only contrib, or your mirror doesn't have that part of te archive |
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| 23:17.58 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: i think more countries and governments store more routing and ip logs then you understand |
| 23:18.22 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: its more of an issue with jurisdiction and cooperation from the countries they bnc'd through |
| 23:18.30 | securi | :S |
| 23:18.38 | jelly-home | securi: can you also pastebin the sources.list file? |
| 23:18.44 | Danielss89 | MangosDebian but i dont know if thats the right ip... theres aroun 20 attempts of SSH'ing with usernames like : adriano, adrian and stuff.. but that was around 16.. and the hack was at 20.. |
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| 23:19.00 | Nyle | !seen rahul |
| 23:19.00 | dpkg | rahul <n=rjain@66-234-32-149.nyc.cable.nyct.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4m 30s ago, saying: 'my alt key> is not releasing'. |
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| 23:19.14 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: is your password a dictionary word or easy to guess? |
| 23:19.22 | Danielss89 | no.. |
| 23:19.41 | Mystic | Bonne Nuit All ;) |
| 23:19.43 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: also it doesnt matter which ip. just send all of them in. |
| 23:19.43 | jelly-home | Danielss89: the ssh bruteforce attacks are also a common issue, there are tools to migitate that |
| 23:19.57 | Danielss89 | :D |
| 23:19.59 | securi | sure |
| 23:20.31 | securi | http://pastebin.com/m7fea133 |
| 23:20.49 | jelly-home | securi: ... |
| 23:21.14 | jelly-home | securi: you didn't add " contrib non-free" |
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| 23:21.29 | securi | i did! wtf :S |
| 23:21.30 | securi | hold on |
| 23:21.46 | jelly-home | securi: maybe you didn't run the editor as root |
| 23:22.05 | jelly-home | securi: (also, add non-free to the security.debian.org lines) |
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| 23:23.01 | Danielss89 | hmm jelly-home my apache access logs havent been used since marts... weird.. |
| 23:23.05 | securi | how do i use the feature on nano editer such as ^X etc? |
| 23:23.08 | securi | im a bit confused with it |
| 23:23.09 | Guerin | Danielss89: fail2ban mitigates the ssh bruteforcers |
| 23:23.17 | securi | jelly-home i done it and seemed like i wasnt loged in as root |
| 23:23.22 | hollywoodb | securi: Ctrl |
| 23:23.22 | Guerin | securi: ^ means CTRL |
| 23:23.23 | Danielss89 | Guerin?? |
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| 23:23.32 | mumbles | I have a question - i have a 6806.pts-4.moo benq FP92W a moniter and am curretnley trying to get it out of 800*600 mode and have had no sucess editing xorg.conf to the correct screensize nor setting eveyting upw ith the correct sych modes |
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| 23:23.41 | Guerin | Danielss89: if you're concerned about ssh bruteforcing, install fail2ban |
| 23:23.48 | Danielss89 | ahh okey Guerin.. |
| 23:24.18 | securi | ok |
| 23:24.21 | securi | done apt-get update |
| 23:24.24 | securi | now what again? |
| 23:24.33 | Guerin | securi: scroll up |
| 23:24.40 | securi | ok i got it :) |
| 23:24.45 | jelly-home | securi: install sun-java5-whatever |
| 23:24.55 | anton_home | if anyone has some experience getting serial ports to load, I could use some help. It seems even though Im part of the group, The device is not loading correctly |
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| 23:25.43 | securi | http://pastebin.com/m68939ef1 |
| 23:25.45 | securi | look at thats |
| 23:25.48 | securi | thats the outcome |
| 23:25.48 | securi | :S |
| 23:26.40 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: do you suspect that they gained ssh access? |
| 23:26.45 | jelly-home | securi: that's apt-cache policy output, not apt-get install stuff |
| 23:26.53 | Danielss89 | no it doesnt seem like it MangosDebian.. |
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| 23:27.08 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: type "last" and "lastb" and check the times |
| 23:27.33 | red | how do I ban an ip on debian sarge using IPtables ... they have been trying to ssh into my box, I just want to tell the server to ignore them as a firewall rule |
| 23:27.36 | DawnLight | i need help with serial port communication. i have here the protocol of an irrigation device so i know what to send but there's some configuration here in GtkTerm which i don't understand |
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| 23:27.52 | Danielss89 | i think they did what you said before... they only deleted some of the files in the web server directiv.. |
| 23:28.08 | securi | w00t |
| 23:28.10 | securi | installing now |
| 23:28.12 | securi | at last! |
| 23:28.16 | securi | thanks alot lads |
| 23:28.17 | securi | :) |
| 23:28.18 | Danielss89 | so it seems like they did it with a php script.. but i wonder how they got access.. |
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| 23:28.25 | securi | now im off to install apache2 try and do a webserver lol |
| 23:28.29 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: have you checked the access logs to see the urls they may have used? |
| 23:28.46 | jelly-home | Danielss89: CHECK YOUR APACHE LOGS |
| 23:28.48 | hollywoodb | is there a 'find fastest mirror' type tool for apt? |
| 23:28.49 | Danielss89 | apache access logs MangosDebian? |
| 23:28.50 | jelly-home | ... |
| 23:28.55 | Danielss89 | hmm jelly-home my apache access logs havent been used since marts... weird.. |
| 23:28.57 | mmnicolas | hollywoodb: apt-spy |
| 23:29.14 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: /var/log/apache2/access.log |
| 23:29.23 | Danielss89 | jelly-home my apache error logs is used but the access logs havent.. |
| 23:29.32 | Danielss89 | they were last edited in march |
| 23:29.55 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: did you disable logs for other reasons? |
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| 23:30.20 | Danielss89 | no MangosDebian i dont know why the access log is not used.. |
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| 23:30.39 | Danielss89 | the error log is used MangosDebian... |
| 23:30.56 | alienjeff | question: if a drive is partitioned with gprted as ext2, is that merely a label or do I still have to run mke2fs ? |
| 23:31.09 | alienjeff | s/gprted/gparted |
| 23:31.21 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: anything around the time of the deleted files in the error logs? |
| 23:32.05 | MangosDebian | alienjeff: file -s /dev/hdaX |
| 23:32.06 | mmnicolas | alienjeff: merely a label |
| 23:32.14 | alienjeff | ty gentlemen |
| 23:32.18 | alienjeff | appreciate it |
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| 23:32.24 | cope[dev] | what irc clients is everyone using? |
| 23:32.25 | jelly-home | Danielss89: are you sure you're looking at the correct logs, did you change apache config at around that time? |
| 23:32.33 | mmnicolas | cope[dev]: irssi |
| 23:32.35 | cope[dev] | xchat feels... well functionanless |
| 23:32.44 | MangosDebian | jelly-home: wonder if he upgraded from apache 1 to apache 2 |
| 23:32.57 | Danielss89 | no MangosDebian it just says that a lot of files suddenly doesnt excist anymore.. |
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| 23:33.13 | cope[dev] | i don't like the show joins/part... I have to turn it off every time I join |
| 23:33.15 | mmnicolas | alienjeff: and by "merely a label" i meant you still have to mkfs after |
| 23:33.27 | alienjeff | gotcha mmnicolas |
| 23:33.31 | alienjeff | ty vy much |
| 23:33.53 | Danielss89 | MangosDebian: 20:26:13 Error: path/to/file.php not found or unabel to stat |
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| 23:34.01 | jelly-home | mmnicolas: how does gparted "label" the partition as ext2? |
| 23:34.31 | mmnicolas | jelly-home: it does format it ? |
| 23:34.37 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: whats the time of the first error before that? |
| 23:34.44 | mmnicolas | ok i was wrong |
| 23:34.44 | jelly-home | mmnicolas: well, there's no need to format it again, is it. |
| 23:34.47 | Danielss89 | jelly i think im looking at the right logs.. the error log is correct... |
| 23:35.01 | mmnicolas | but there is nothing wrong in being sure |
| 23:35.05 | Danielss89 | 20:25:52 |
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| 23:35.10 | Danielss89 | MangosDebian ^^ |
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| 23:35.22 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: and what kind of error was that? |
| 23:35.28 | jelly-home | Danielss89: was this today? |
| 23:35.29 | MangosDebian | missing .ico file? |
| 23:35.34 | Danielss89 | jelly-home yeah.. |
| 23:35.44 | Danielss89 | MangosDebian its a file does not excist.. |
| 23:35.52 | Danielss89 | its an irc file missing.. |
| 23:35.57 | Danielss89 | but theres a lot of those.. |
| 23:36.06 | jelly-home | Danielss89: your apache process may still be holding the log file opened |
| 23:36.17 | Danielss89 | jelly-home okey.. how can i checl.. |
| 23:36.23 | MangosDebian | jelly-home: since march? :) |
| 23:36.28 | Danielss89 | MangosDebian should i paste the log so you can see it? |
| 23:36.34 | jelly-home | Danielss89: as root, are there any apache lines in lsof -n|grep deleted |
| 23:36.48 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: i suppose you could if you dont mind everyone else seeing it |
| 23:36.58 | jelly-home | MangosDebian: no, since last unsuccessful rotation |
| 23:36.59 | Danielss89 | jelly-home i dont have root access.. but i can do sudo -s |
| 23:37.10 | irule | http://pastebin.ca/619716 guys, how is this for a web server? I have absolutelly no more services on it |
| 23:37.14 | Danielss89 | MangosDebian could it harm me in any way? |
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| 23:37.21 | jelly-home | Danielss89: are you running debian? |
| 23:37.37 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: but you may want to: grep -R "Jul 14 20:" * |
| 23:37.43 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: but you may want to: grep -R "Jul 14 20:" /var/log/* |
| 23:37.49 | Danielss89 | jelly-home yes.. |
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| 23:38.33 | StarWars | How can i see the php error log |
| 23:38.34 | Danielss89 | jelly-home : http://pastebin.ca/619725 |
| 23:38.54 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: well, logs are considered personal. depending on their content, they could contain mistyped url's which may contain passwords etc. just be careful what you paste without checking |
| 23:39.11 | Danielss89 | okey.. ill paste to you in private MangosDebian.. |
| 23:39.16 | jelly-home | Danielss89: which release? that access.log thing is funny. |
| 23:39.27 | Danielss89 | jelly-home etch.. |
| 23:40.17 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: btw, do you use mysql in any of your php? do the php log anything in the db? |
| 23:40.29 | Danielss89 | hmm MangosDebian im connecting from putty.. and when i type: grep -R "Jul 14 20:" /var/log/* theres so much so i cant copy the beginning.. |
| 23:40.30 | MangosDebian | better yet, has your db been altered? |
| 23:40.31 | securi | how do i find out my real IP address? |
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| 23:40.42 | securi | as when i go to whatismyip.com it gives me: 172.188.78.246 |
| 23:40.44 | Danielss89 | MangosDebian i use mysql all the time.. |
| 23:40.47 | securi | try http://172.188.78.246 |
| 23:40.51 | Danielss89 | its a very heavy sql site.. |
| 23:40.51 | securi | its my routers IP |
| 23:40.54 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: just pipe that command out to | sort | less |
| 23:40.58 | securi | but i need my own one for my apache server... |
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| 23:41.07 | jelly-home | securi: the router's ip IS your real address |
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| 23:41.29 | jelly-home | securi: ifconfig |
| 23:41.49 | Danielss89 | are there a php log? |
| 23:41.49 | StarWars | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.14 | MangosDebian | StarWars: /var/log/apache2/error.log? |
| 23:42.16 | jelly-home | securi: ... inet addr:192.168.1.4 <- something like that |
| 23:43.08 | securi | ahh ok |
| 23:43.33 | tomp | i just ran 'apt-get update' and got Reading package lists... Error! E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room what to do? |
| 23:43.55 | jelly-home | !tell tomp about dynamic mmap |
| 23:44.07 | MangosDebian | jelly-home: -about! |
| 23:44.12 | StarWars | MangosDebian /var/log/apache2/ is only apache2 log |
| 23:44.22 | jelly-home | MangosDebian: I wanted to make sure it made sense |
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| 23:44.39 | Danielss89 | :D |
| 23:44.41 | securi | ok thanks |
| 23:44.59 | MangosDebian | StarWars: wasnt aware php logged its own stuff |
| 23:45.04 | Danielss89 | by the way MangosDebian and jelly-home this was the index.php file: http://potterskolen.dk/hack.php |
| 23:45.34 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: is that your site? |
| 23:45.37 | jelly-home | lemme guess, turkish hacking group :-) |
| 23:45.50 | Danielss89 | it seems like it jelly-home.. |
| 23:45.50 | securi | isnt an ip like 192.168.0.2 an internal ip? |
| 23:45.52 | Danielss89 | MangosDebian yes.. |
| 23:46.19 | Danielss89 | http://potterskolen.dk is my site MangosDebian.... |
| 23:47.05 | jelly-home | securi: that's what you asked for, isn't it? |
| 23:47.51 | MangosDebian | what is it with real media, bleck |
| 23:47.59 | securi | well iv installed apache so i want an external one mate... |
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| 23:50.13 | jelly-home | securi: you'll have to set up your router to forward the web requests to your machine |
| 23:50.28 | jelly-home | securi: the outside IP will be the address of the router |
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| 23:50.53 | MangosDebian | Danielss89: well, get your logs fixed anyways. thats probably your best start. If they did erase the logs it means your more comprimised than you think in which case they probably just rm'd the logs your missing and you can probably undelete them. other than that, gl with your site :) |
| 23:51.27 | jelly-home | securi: your ISP might give you additional or fixed IP addresses, for a price |
| 23:51.45 | Danielss89 | MangosDebian hehe thanks.. |
| 23:52.35 | distatica | Sorry, this relates to my old question but feel free to slap me if I'm being redundant. I've got xosd setup now, and am currently installing build-essentials for the libxosd python modules. When that's done, how can I run a program via ssh and have it show up on the local computer under the currently logged in user? I assume it has something to do with setting DISPLAY? |
| 23:53.01 | jelly-home | distatica: you got X running? |
| 23:53.04 | distatica | yep |
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| 23:53.14 | beavel | hellos |
| 23:53.19 | distatica | And it will always be running when the computer starts, I have autologin setup now. |
| 23:53.51 | jelly-home | distatica: yes, you can try setting env.variable DISPLAY=:0 and see if X apps show up after that |
| 23:53.53 | distatica | I will probably replace the current XFce with something like fluxbox though, if it works for me. |
| 23:54.01 | distatica | ok, thank you. |
| 23:54.28 | beavel | If I have debian newly installed, is the c compiler already there? |
| 23:54.33 | jelly-home | distatica: you can use the safe session which starts pretty much nothing |
| 23:54.35 | MangosDebian | distatica: you want the software on the keyboardless box to appear in your Windows desktop? |
| 23:54.51 | jelly-home | MangosDebian: no, on the local X server |
| 23:54.51 | distatica | beavel: I think it depends on your installation, but not for me, I had to install build-essential. |
| 23:54.58 | MangosDebian | jelly-home: ah k |
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| 23:55.28 | distatica | what jelly-home said. Now that i have that xosd running, great program btw jelly, thanks. |
| 23:55.33 | linux2 | anyone else here having trouble with compiling the nvidia kernel module with the debian kernel 2.6.21-2-686 |
| 23:55.40 | jelly-home | MangosDebian: he has a monitor reserved for pop-ups / notices only |
| 23:55.51 | ricky | beavel: ls /usr/bin/gcc to find out. |
| 23:56.48 | beavel | is it the ccmakedep command? |
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| 23:57.21 | MangosDebian | distatica: /etc/X11/Xsession* perhaps? |
| 23:57.31 | jelly-home | beavel: it depends on the tasks selected during the installation |
| 23:57.47 | linux2 | i error out with this... |
| 23:57.47 | linux2 | FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol |
| 23:57.48 | linux2 | ‘paravirt_ops’ |
| 23:57.51 | Pencil | hey can anyone give me a basic example of how to execute screen with a file & give it a name? |
| 23:57.53 | linux2 | any ideas on how to fix this |
| 23:57.56 | Pencil | screen -t ./file ? |
| 23:58.03 | Pencil | im reading the man right now. |
| 23:58.05 | zinx | linux2: legally or illegally? |
| 23:58.07 | linux2 | i already recompiled a new kernel and tried to boot into it but that didn't seem to do anything |
| 23:58.10 | jelly-home | Pencil: with a file? |
| 23:58.13 | Pencil | yeah |
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| 23:58.16 | Pencil | like screen -t ./exec |
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| 23:58.41 | linux2 | if only i could boot into my new kernel it would work |
| 23:58.46 | distatica | MangosDebian: jelly-home's solution worked great. I just set DISPLAY to :0 and ran xterm and it loaded fine on the monitor. |
| 23:58.56 | linux2 | but for some reason i installed the kernel and i cannot find its vmlinuz image |
| 23:59.03 | MangosDebian | linux2: why is nvidia trying to use a GPL symbol? |
| 23:59.04 | linux2 | should it be in /boot |
| 23:59.10 | distatica | of course I can't access it -- obviously -- but that's good for xosd. |
| 23:59.15 | zinx | linux2: you need to be using kernel-package for kernels |
| 23:59.28 | linux2 | MangosDebian: i have read into it and that symbol is no longer a gpl symbol |
| 23:59.30 | jelly-home | Pencil: screen -t name ./exec ? |
| 23:59.32 | Pencil | anyone? |
| 23:59.36 | Pencil | oh is that how elt me test that |
| 23:59.45 | MangosDebian | distatica: well, good to know your all setup then :) gratz |
| 23:59.47 | linux2 | just that the kernel used by debian says it is since it isn't the lates |
