| 00:00.00 | distatica | Not without all your help, but thanks :) |
| 00:00.08 | MangosDebian | linux2: ahh, guess you need a new kernel then :) |
| 00:00.16 | Pencil | hm now how would i get back int othe scrreen jelly-home? |
| 00:00.25 | Pencil | i detached from the screen, but i cant go back to it |
| 00:00.26 | MangosDebian | distatica: all our help are belong to you ;p |
| 00:00.38 | tbamr | Pencil, screen -r |
| 00:00.39 | jelly-home | Pencil: man screen, free hint: -r |
| 00:00.47 | linux2 | MangosDebian: and i compiled a new kernel |
| 00:00.48 | Pencil | i did |
| 00:00.54 | linux2 | MangosDebian: i just can't figure out how to boot into it |
| 00:01.02 | Pencil | it said There is no screen to be resumed matching name |
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| 00:01.09 | tbamr | Pencil, screen -r detached.session |
| 00:01.10 | linux2 | i compiled and installed the kernel i just don't know where the vmlinuz image is |
| 00:01.23 | Pencil | what? |
| 00:01.26 | Pencil | i already used screen -r |
| 00:01.27 | MangosDebian | linux2: depends on a lot of variables :( what command did you use to "install" the kernel after compile? |
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| 00:01.35 | linux2 | dpkg -i |
| 00:01.45 | MangosDebian | linux2: so you used make-kpkg? |
| 00:01.46 | jelly-home | Pencil: screen -ls will give you a list of currently running screen sessions |
| 00:01.55 | linux2 | MangosDebian: i compiled it with... make-kpkg kernel-image |
| 00:02.11 | MangosDebian | linux2: /boot have anything with the version you compiled with in there? |
| 00:02.20 | linux2 | MangosDebian: nope just the version i am using now |
| 00:02.27 | Pencil | ah i see so i have to use a process number |
| 00:02.38 | MangosDebian | linux2: hmmm, and /vmlinuz is a symlink? or a file? |
| 00:02.43 | Pencil | is there a way to avoid that? |
| 00:02.50 | jelly-home | Pencil: if you have only one screen, you shouldn't have to |
| 00:02.57 | linux2 | MangosDebian: system link |
| 00:03.10 | linux2 | MangosDebian: goes to boot/vmlinuz-2.6.21 |
| 00:03.15 | jelly-home | Pencil: it figures out which screen to reattach by itself here |
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| 00:03.26 | MangosDebian | linux2: sounds almost like it didnt install anything. so no /boot/vmlinux-2.6.21 exists? |
| 00:03.39 | robboplus | hm what would happen if i run vmwared machine with nice? |
| 00:03.42 | linux2 | vmlinuz-2.6.21-2-686 |
| 00:03.45 | linux2 | vmlinuz-2.6.21-2-486 |
| 00:03.52 | robboplus | would it slow it down very much on not-too-busy host? |
| 00:03.54 | MangosDebian | linux2: whats uname -r say? |
| 00:03.58 | robboplus | or have any other impact on it? |
| 00:04.04 | linux2 | 2.6.21-2-686 |
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| 00:04.18 | linux2 | MangosDebian: o i found it |
| 00:04.22 | linux2 | vmlinuz-2.6.21 |
| 00:04.32 | linux2 | MangosDebian: got placed in the root dir for some reason |
| 00:04.38 | MangosDebian | robboplus: your host machine will be smoother but vmware will be choppier is the easiest way to explain |
| 00:04.49 | linux2 | MangosDebian: now what about initrd.img? |
| 00:04.54 | linux2 | MangosDebian: do i need one? |
| 00:05.03 | MangosDebian | linux2: depends on how you compiled the kernel |
| 00:05.16 | linux2 | MangosDebian: well it doesn't have one... so should i assume its not needed? |
| 00:05.37 | MangosDebian | linux2: you compiled your hard drive drivers and fs stuff statically into the kernel? |
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| 00:06.11 | jetx | !initrd |
| 00:06.11 | dpkg | methinks initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
| 00:06.17 | linux2 | MangosDebian: im not sure. i just ran make-kpkg kernel-image |
| 00:06.31 | MangosDebian | linux2: what .config did you use for this new kernel? |
| 00:06.37 | jetx | heh my battery just went from 68% to 3 % :( |
| 00:06.38 | linux2 | MangosDebian: the default debian one |
| 00:06.52 | linux2 | MangosDebian: i only changed one option. so it won't error out when i install the nvidia drivers |
| 00:06.53 | MangosDebian | jetx: probably to do with all that screen lag! |
| 00:07.10 | MangosDebian | linux2: then you will need an initrd, but it should be around. try / again |
| 00:07.21 | jetx | then you need to have compiled it with the --initrd directive and need one |
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| 00:07.49 | MangosDebian | ahh yes, --initrd |
| 00:07.50 | jetx | linux2 took paravirt_ops out/off |
| 00:08.02 | linux2 | jetx: yeah |
| 00:08.20 | jetx | make-kpkg --initrd et al |
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| 00:08.25 | MangosDebian | beardy: home sweet home |
| 00:08.31 | linux2 | jetx: so should i just redo it? |
| 00:08.36 | jetx | or just generate an initrd |
| 00:08.47 | linux2 | jetx: humm now how do i do that? |
| 00:08.50 | jetx | i'm not up on how, but you uses mkinitrd-something |
| 00:08.52 | linux2 | i have tried it befor |
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| 00:08.56 | MangosDebian | jetx: kpkg can just make initrd? cool |
| 00:08.59 | linux2 | but it didn't work so well |
| 00:09.01 | beavel | sory. whish dir should I look into to find the compiler? |
| 00:09.23 | MangosDebian | linux2: worst case, try update-initramfs for that kernel specically |
| 00:09.39 | jetx | MangosDebian: maybe, not sure never thought about it... |
| 00:09.40 | linux2 | MangosDebian: i am gonna go with recompiling it |
| 00:09.44 | linux2 | seems to easiest |
| 00:09.47 | jetx | i mean generate one in the usual fashion |
| 00:10.03 | jetx | yeah but if you knew how it would be a lot faster |
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| 00:10.07 | MangosDebian | jetx: ya I hear ya. i usually have a nasty long make-kpkg, never have to deal with missing options ;/ |
| 00:10.25 | MangosDebian | linux2: update-initramfs is pretty simple and good to know |
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| 00:11.12 | Pencil | hey how would i get screen to reload by itself if it crashes? |
| 00:11.13 | MangosDebian | linux2: -c -k '2.6.21' i think would cover you i think |
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| 00:11.22 | ghatak_mobile | i have installed a VM using XEN. when i try to login to the VM using ssh i get the error, ing 1023992k swap on /dev/hda2. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:1023992k |
| 00:11.36 | ghatak_mobile | oopps |
| 00:11.45 | linux2 | MangosDebian: seems to have worked and looks good to me |
| 00:11.54 | linux2 | MangosDebian: well now time to reboot and find out |
| 00:12.00 | MangosDebian | linux2: gl |
| 00:12.07 | ghatak_mobile | i get the following eerror, stdin: is not a tty |
| 00:12.13 | MangosDebian | linux2: dont forget to update-grub |
| 00:13.00 | linux2 | MangosDebian: actually i use lilo |
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| 00:13.20 | MangosDebian | nm then, you proly know what to do ;) |
| 00:13.29 | linux2 | MangosDebian: when i installed debian etch on this machine (now i use lenny) it wouldn't let me install grub so i have been using lilo ever since |
| 00:13.49 | MangosDebian | linux2: dont forget, if something doesnt work, contact your administrator for assistance </sarcasm> |
| 00:13.51 | jetx | i fought using grub, but nowadays i use grub |
| 00:14.06 | jetx | both work, grub works out better for my boot_weirdness |
| 00:14.06 | linux2 | MangosDebian: will do. lol |
| 00:14.11 | linux2 | MangosDebian: brb |
| 00:14.11 | MangosDebian | same |
| 00:14.26 | linux2 | MangosDebian: and once i get that working i got a new bug |
| 00:14.32 | MangosDebian | lol |
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| 00:14.36 | linux2 | xine for some reason has no MPEG support |
| 00:14.43 | linux2 | stupid debian updates messing it up |
| 00:14.44 | Pencil | anybody? |
| 00:14.45 | galois_ | how do I tell whcih version of debian I am running? |
| 00:14.48 | siimo | linux2: you got ffmpeg? |
| 00:14.52 | linux2 | siimo: yeah |
| 00:14.56 | siimo | galois_: cat /etc/issue |
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| 00:14.59 | MangosDebian | linux2: sorry, dont use X anymore let alone for video |
| 00:15.00 | jetx | uname -a maybe |
| 00:15.10 | DawnLight | does anyone know where i may be able to get help with raw serial communication |
| 00:15.11 | jetx | mplayer does ffmpeg |
| 00:15.18 | jetx | mplayer does console |
| 00:15.19 | galois_ | siimo: thanks |
| 00:15.20 | jetx | wtf |
| 00:15.31 | DawnLight | as in serial ports |
| 00:15.35 | linux2 | i just ran apt-get upgrade and well now i can't use xine to play mpeg files (MP3, MP2 etc...) |
| 00:15.38 | securi | http://172.188.78.246 it works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would it be good to setup a dynamic DNS instead such as: http://www.dyndns.com/ ?? |
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| 00:15.45 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: programming? |
| 00:15.48 | siimo | linux2: lenny / sid ? |
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| 00:15.51 | jetx | which xine |
| 00:15.57 | linux2 | siimo: lenny |
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| 00:16.06 | linux2 | jetx: humm im not sure |
| 00:16.12 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: i believe there is a serial programming howto. try /usr/share/doc/HOWTO |
| 00:16.14 | jetx | a gui? |
| 00:16.14 | linux2 | MangosDebian: only use the console? |
| 00:16.15 | beavel | so how do i find out if the compilers there? |
| 00:16.19 | siimo | linux2: happened to me too about a week or two ago, i switched to totem now with gstreamer backend o_O |
| 00:16.24 | MangosDebian | linux2: yup |
| 00:16.35 | linux2 | MangosDebian: i use my 486 for that |
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| 00:16.42 | DawnLight | MangosDebian: perhaps. i have an irrigation controller. serial port. i have the protocol |
| 00:16.44 | linux2 | MangosDebian: good old ibm thinkpad 486 |
| 00:17.02 | Linx | I installed debian, found that the network device on the motherboard was sh**. so I have installed a better one and disabled the onboard, however the new one is showing up as eth1 rather than eth0... anyone know how to fix this??? |
| 00:17.32 | linux2 | Linx: edit /etc/network/interfaces and just change it around |
| 00:17.44 | MangosDebian | linux2: http://s193.photobucket.com/albums/z63/mangosdebian/?action=view¤t=mangosdebian.jpg (password "thanks") |
| 00:17.57 | Linx | I want debian to see the network device as eth0 |
| 00:17.58 | beavel | where can I find the compiler? |
| 00:18.06 | MangosDebian | linux2: it isnt X, but its pretty enough for console for me |
| 00:18.21 | Linx | there is only eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 00:18.39 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: did you have a language in mind? or just want shell scripts? |
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| 00:18.46 | stew | Linx: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 00:19.39 | linux2 | MangosDebian: still waiting for it to load |
| 00:20.05 | MangosDebian | linux2: the kernel? |
| 00:20.07 | robboplus | MangosDebian: would it be ok to ask you a question in the other chan? :) |
| 00:20.08 | DawnLight | MangosDebian: well, i don't know any language... but i am willing to learn. i want to make me an irrigation program |
| 00:20.18 | MangosDebian | robboplus: sure |
| 00:20.26 | linux2 | MangosDebian: no your image. i will log off when i try to load the kernel. since its on this comp |
| 00:20.28 | Linx | thank you stew |
| 00:20.43 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: is the protocol all ascii text and simple? |
| 00:20.58 | linux2 | MangosDebian: dumb photobucket |
| 00:21.00 | DawnLight | the protocol is hex and simple, MangosDebian |
| 00:21.35 | robboplus | MangosDebian ok just did :) |
| 00:21.41 | Szeraax | is there a way to do a floppyless, cdless, networkless install of debian? i kinda doubt it, but Vista can write all the files it needs to from its iso to your hdd, and write your MBR to boot to them and finish the install. making it so you actually dont need to boot to any removable media |
| 00:22.08 | linux2 | MangosDebian: awesome. framebuffer |
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| 00:22.14 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: you may be able to get away with setting your serial to b9600,n,8,1 (or whatever, possibly with stty) and echo "Command 123" >> /dev/ttyS0 for example. unless you need to read data then it gets more complicated. perhaps netcat be better than with chat like scripts |
| 00:22.19 | MangosDebian | robboplus: sec ;) |
| 00:22.22 | linux2 | MangosDebian: if i could get that to work i would use it but i just haven't had the time to figure it out |
| 00:22.25 | robboplus | sure, no rush MangosDebian :) |
| 00:22.29 | robboplus | i can see how busy you are he he |
| 00:22.49 | DawnLight | MangosDebian: i have here package gtkterm |
| 00:23.11 | securi | Id just like to thank everyone for their help tonight i know i have been a BIG pain in the arse! THANK YOU! |
| 00:23.13 | DawnLight | but i don't seem to get the irrigation thing to answer, MangosDebian |
| 00:23.15 | MangosDebian | linux2: get what working? the bootsplash? |
| 00:23.43 | linux2 | MangosDebian: yeah |
| 00:24.16 | Szeraax | /joine #ubuntu |
| 00:24.19 | MangosDebian | linux2: its not much more complicated than what you already did to compile that new kernel. cept you add the bootsplash patch and another kernel cmdline and install the bootsplash proggy |
| 00:24.31 | Szeraax | can't type worth crap... |
| 00:24.49 | linux2 | MangosDebian: humm maybe i will do it after i get xine working again |
| 00:24.51 | linux2 | i neet my music |
| 00:24.57 | linux2 | need* |
| 00:25.06 | DawnLight | why don't they make the kernel with bootsplash?? |
| 00:25.18 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: try stty the ttyS0 to the proper settings, use a null modem cable and use netcat. worst case, start with minicom to make sure communications are working. you should get a prompt or something soo as you send a break |
| 00:25.25 | DawnLight | do i have to make a petition? |
| 00:25.36 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: bootsplash has a bug |
| 00:25.55 | jetx | there's a kernel bootsplash something |
| 00:25.59 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: when the screen blanks, any background text movement appears in the blackness. over time the whole screen shows |
| 00:26.07 | jetx | a the black screen hang the system bug? |
| 00:26.16 | jetx | i think i found that bug |
| 00:26.18 | MangosDebian | hasnt hung my system yet |
| 00:26.19 | Pencil | hey how do i extract file sfrom my cd drive? |
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| 00:26.23 | Pencil | im not sure what the heck to do |
| 00:26.32 | MangosDebian | worst case disable screen blanking |
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| 00:26.40 | jetx | well it looked hung |
| 00:26.47 | jetx | x never loaded all i know |
| 00:26.55 | jetx | autoloaded |
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| 00:27.04 | MangosDebian | jetx: all, well ive had issues with ati like that with fb + X |
| 00:27.08 | Pencil | anyone? |
| 00:27.16 | Pencil | how do i access my cddrive from debian? |
| 00:27.16 | MangosDebian | jetx: were you using bootsplash patch? |
| 00:27.17 | jetx | nvidia... but it worked before |
| 00:27.19 | Pencil | via SSH? |
| 00:27.21 | jetx | no patch |
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| 00:27.24 | DawnLight | MangosDebian: i don't have a null modem cable. don't know what that is even. |
| 00:27.33 | linux2 | MangosDebian: if it were possible to disable screen blanking |
| 00:27.41 | MangosDebian | jetx: ahh, that screen is the bootsplash kernel patch + userland tools and theme |
| 00:27.41 | linux2 | MangosDebian: tried everything to do so and gave up |
| 00:27.50 | jetx | i was just messing around with it, not really 'using' |
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| 00:28.01 | linux2 | MangosDebian: for some reason all my debian computers blank and show the floating X org x |
| 00:28.09 | linux2 | not sure why and not even sure what program does that |
| 00:28.10 | Pencil | hm |
| 00:28.11 | jetx | it worked at first |
| 00:28.12 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: well, thats probably the first thing you need. think like ethernet crossover cable, but for db9 |
| 00:28.12 | Pencil | nobody knows? |
| 00:28.22 | jetx | spinning globe |
| 00:28.33 | linux2 | Pencil: what do you want to do? |
| 00:28.41 | alanhaggai | Hi, I am getting: "loading libGL.so.1: Segmentation fault". What is the problem? |
| 00:28.42 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: of course, if your controller does all that for you, than you dont need to worry |
| 00:28.43 | Pencil | i want to get a file from my cd rom |
| 00:28.55 | jetx | mount the cd |
| 00:28.56 | Pencil | but i have no idea how to access my cd drive |
| 00:28.58 | Pencil | yeah i did that. |
| 00:29.03 | Pencil | im in my computer via SSH |
| 00:29.06 | MangosDebian | linux2: sec, theres a config file that sets the default |
| 00:29.07 | jetx | it's usually under /media |
| 00:29.08 | Guerin | Pencil: what's preventing you? |
| 00:29.12 | jetx | somewhere |
| 00:29.16 | Pencil | lack of knowledge |
| 00:29.20 | DawnLight | MangosDebian: controller? you mean the gtkterm? |
| 00:29.22 | Pencil | ah i see it |
| 00:29.37 | Pencil | hm nevermind no i dont |
| 00:29.44 | Pencil | there arenet any files in cdrom or cdrom0 |
| 00:29.56 | jetx | type mount |
| 00:30.02 | Pencil | then what |
| 00:30.03 | jetx | see where it's mounted |
| 00:30.11 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: no, i mean the device your trying to control via serial |
| 00:30.16 | jetx | if it doesn't tell you where it's mounted it's not mounted |
| 00:30.18 | linux2 | Pencil: what GUI are you using. Gnome or KDE? |
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| 00:30.42 | Pencil | i dont see anything |
| 00:30.45 | Pencil | im not using any GUI's. |
| 00:30.49 | linux2 | Pencil: oh. nvm. i just read you are connected via SSH |
| 00:30.54 | Pencil | haha yeah |
| 00:30.55 | Pencil | its fine |
| 00:31.04 | linux2 | Pencil: ls -l /dev/hd* and ls -l /dev/sd* |
| 00:31.09 | linux2 | Pencil: what do you see? |
| 00:31.20 | linux2 | ls -l /dev/hd* && ls -l /dev/sd* |
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| 00:31.23 | linux2 | that will work a bit better |
| 00:31.28 | Pencil | ls: /dev/sd*: No such file or directory |
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| 00:31.32 | Pencil | brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 3, 0 2007-07-14 07:16 /dev/hda |
| 00:31.53 | MangosDebian | linux2: /etc/console-tools/config |
| 00:32.01 | Pencil | now what? hm. |
| 00:32.08 | MangosDebian | linux2: BLANK_TIME=30, comment it |
| 00:32.16 | MangosDebian | linux2: or set to 0 rather |
| 00:32.16 | Pencil | hm? |
| 00:32.20 | linux2 | Pencil: mount /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 |
| 00:32.22 | jetx | mount -t auto /dev/cdrom /mnt |
| 00:32.26 | jetx | or wherever |
| 00:32.30 | Pencil | mount: block device /dev/hda is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 00:32.43 | linux2 | Pencil: thats ok |
| 00:32.47 | Pencil | now what? |
| 00:32.53 | linux2 | Pencil: after all it is a cdrom. it should be read only |
| 00:32.58 | linux2 | cd /media/cdrom0 |
| 00:33.01 | Pencil | ah i see it |
| 00:33.03 | Pencil | thanks! |
| 00:33.06 | alanhaggai | Hi, I am getting: "loading libGL.so.1: Segmentation fault". What might be the problem? |
| 00:33.10 | linux2 | Pencil: np |
| 00:33.22 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: perhaps you should start with minicom and try connect with that using the settings the device expects |
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| 00:33.35 | Pencil | :] |
| 00:33.36 | linux2 | Pencil: you'll get a hang of it. i used to be like that but i have been using linux for years now so i've gotten better |
| 00:33.38 | Pencil | how long will it stay mounted there? |
| 00:33.44 | Pencil | oh no wonder, yeah it took me awhile. |
| 00:33.53 | Pencil | still im getting the hang of things |
| 00:34.16 | Pencil | if i take the disc out, will the file still be there? |
| 00:34.17 | linux2 | Pencil: it will stay mounted there as long as you don't unmount it |
| 00:34.20 | jetx | until you unmount it or reboot |
| 00:34.21 | jetx | no |
| 00:34.25 | Pencil | oo gotcha. |
| 00:34.33 | jetx | don't open the drive tillyou unmount |
| 00:34.39 | jetx | i don't think it will though |
| 00:34.46 | Pencil | oh hm |
| 00:34.51 | Pencil | and how would i unmount it? |
| 00:34.55 | jetx | same for floppies |
| 00:34.56 | linux2 | Pencil: also depending on how your computer it configured it might not let it eject until it is unmounted. unless you turn that off. or use hald |
| 00:34.59 | jetx | umount /dev/hda |
| 00:35.06 | linux2 | Pencil: or you can just type eject |
| 00:35.10 | Pencil | oo sweet |
| 00:35.22 | Pencil | :] thanks. |
| 00:35.23 | linux2 | eject is the easiest way i think. unmounts and ejects it |
| 00:35.34 | MangosDebian | hmm, eject is standard in etch? |
| 00:35.42 | JordiGH | MangosDebian: Isn't it? |
| 00:36.00 | MangosDebian | JordiGH: wasnt in sarge, but I seem to have it in etch. but who knows, i may have installed it |
| 00:36.10 | linux2 | MangosDebian: idk. i think so. i only used etch when it was testing now i use lenny |
| 00:36.16 | JordiGH | MangosDebian: It's optional, but I don't remember ever explicitly installing it. |
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| 00:36.27 | MangosDebian | JordiGH: you have it too? |
| 00:36.35 | linux2 | well brb gotta reboot |
| 00:36.36 | MangosDebian | let me check a fresh install |
| 00:36.42 | JordiGH | MangosDebian: Yeah. |
| 00:36.47 | linux2 | or at least i hope i will be right back |
| 00:36.52 | MangosDebian | :) |
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| 00:38.01 | MangosDebian | JordiGH: ya, seems standard now |
| 00:38.29 | MangosDebian | JordiGH: ahh, comes with task Desktop |
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| 00:38.57 | massctrl | hi, when doing tab completion on an nfs share bash locks up, ... also, when I do for example "scp file.txt fubar@blah.net:/home/+tab" bash locks, Is there a way to fix this ? |
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| 00:39.52 | MangosDebian | hmm, theres a new one |
| 00:40.14 | MangosDebian | didnt know bash tries to complete for ssh paths |
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| 00:40.37 | JordiGH | MangosDebian: Good to know. |
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| 00:41.54 | linux2 | ok works |
| 00:41.57 | linux2 | and the nvidia kernel compiled |
| 00:41.59 | linux2 | yay! |
| 00:42.05 | MangosDebian | linux2: :) |
| 00:43.45 | linux2 | MangosDebian: still got uncomment the lines in my xorg.conf so i can startx using my nvidia module |
| 00:44.01 | linux2 | and i removed and reinstalled my xine engine and all seems to be good |
| 00:44.28 | MangosDebian | linux2: sure fun trying to get a base debian install to work with nonfree stuff isnt it :) |
| 00:44.39 | linux2 | MangosDebian: time to go read my c++ book. lol. im never gonna be good a programming |
| 00:45.04 | MangosDebian | linux2: lol, ya, sidetracking is something you better get used to with linunx |
| 00:45.35 | linux2 | MangosDebian: been doing it for 6 years |
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| 00:45.58 | MangosDebian | linux2: have you got back to your initial task you started off with yet? lol |
| 00:46.09 | cast | morning guys |
| 00:46.14 | MangosDebian | hey |
| 00:46.34 | linux2 | MangosDebian: nope. lol |
| 00:46.41 | RyanRyan52 | How can I get the apache default configuration files? |
| 00:46.51 | MangosDebian | linux2: :) I started off wanting to get a coffee and read me news, and 11 years later here I am :) |
| 00:46.58 | JordiGH | RyanRyan52: You mean, without getting Apache itself? |
| 00:47.12 | linux2 | MangosDebian: although it was worse in windows. when something breaks in windows good luck trying to fix it |
| 00:47.23 | RyanRyan52 | I have it, just I deleted the config files |
| 00:47.49 | JordiGH | RyanRyan52: dpkg --reinstall apacheVERSION.deb |
| 00:48.00 | MangosDebian | linux2: windows is actually rather easy to fix if you just reinstall itself and keep settings, reupdate etc. |
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| 00:48.08 | JordiGH | RyanRyan52: Er, apt-get --reinstall install apache |
| 00:48.19 | RyanRyan52 | thanks |
| 00:48.22 | linux2 | MangosDebian: lol. i don't really have time to keep reinstalling everything |
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| 00:48.50 | linux2 | MangosDebian: cause when i go and reinstall everything i have to make a backup of the drive then i have to reinstall all the stupid bloated software and then do that all over again |
| 00:49.01 | rcbarnes | is there an application that does with X applications what screen does to console ones? |
| 00:49.21 | linux2 | MangosDebian: stopped doing that when i had windows ME. i was like "there has gotta be something better" and i was right. started with mandriva though after searching and trying over 100 different distros |
| 00:49.22 | MangosDebian | linux2: its kinda OT here, but when you do it proper, windows only replaces itself, all your settings are kept |
| 00:49.24 | rcbarnes | bascially allows me to detach and re-attach them |
| 00:50.17 | linux2 | MangosDebian: gets annoying however when you do it every 2 weeks. ahh windows ME, a quality piece of software |
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| 00:51.13 | MangosDebian | linux2: sssh, you trying to get us killed! :) |
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| 00:51.38 | MangosDebian | rcbarnes: vnc? |
| 00:51.45 | linux2 | MangosDebian: lol |
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| 00:59.40 | nvidia | hi, i am testing debian, why is there only 2 types of nvidia binary drivers on the debian repository? it should have 3 types: 100* .96* .70*. does anybody noticed this? |
| 01:00.08 | MangosDebian | .72dpi? |
| 01:02.32 | massctrl | when I turn on dma on an ide disk it keeps that settings for a while and afterwards dma is turned off again,... anyone an idea why this is ? |
| 01:02.51 | MangosDebian | massctrl: -k1? |
| 01:03.11 | MangosDebian | massctrl: also, you using rc.local to start hdparm for reboots? |
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| 01:04.04 | massctrl | MangosDebian: yep indeed, but even when setting manually with "hdparm -d1 /dev/hda" it's active for a couple of seconds and turned back off again |
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| 01:04.31 | _meLIan3 | hy |
| 01:04.32 | MangosDebian | massctrl: try the -k1 with -d1 |
| 01:04.44 | _meLIan3 | i'm french user |
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| 01:05.11 | nvidia | _meLIan3 hi |
| 01:05.30 | _meLIan3 | nvidia: ;) |
| 01:05.31 | nvidia | _meLIan3: how is the market share of linux in france? |
| 01:06.22 | massctrl | MangosDebian: hmm even with the k1 switch it turns back to dma:0 |
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| 01:06.55 | _meLIan3 | hmm |
| 01:06.58 | MangosDebian | massctrl: install smarttools and see if the drive is reseting or something |
| 01:07.03 | _meLIan3 | small I think not? i noob in debian |
| 01:07.12 | _meLIan3 | and i have a problem :( |
| 01:07.30 | MangosDebian | massctrl: i assume the drive is capable of the dma mode your trying and has no chipset issues or anything? |
| 01:07.52 | nvidia | _meLIan3 tell us your problem |
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| 01:07.59 | _meLIan3 | #debianfr did not solve the problem |
| 01:08.13 | massctrl | MangosDebian: i will install smarttools and have a look |
| 01:08.14 | _meLIan3 | problem with resolution 1280x1024 |
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| 01:09.07 | nvidia | _meLIan3 i've seen many people complaining of this on all distros, it's a xorg problem i guess. are you on a laptop? |
| 01:09.16 | _meLIan3 | yes |
| 01:09.21 | _meLIan3 | Amilo a 164( |
| 01:09.23 | nvidia | i knew it |
| 01:09.28 | _meLIan3 | *1645 nvidia: |
| 01:10.09 | _meLIan3 | But I am under external screen nvidia: |
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| 01:10.25 | nvidia | i don't know how to help you, but i would try to get help on #xorg, or maybe on the ubuntu-comunity forums |
| 01:10.37 | _meLIan3 | My Laptop Screen is dead (inveter) |
| 01:10.43 | _meLIan3 | *inverter |
| 01:11.32 | _meLIan3 | nvidia: ok , i test #xorg :) |
| 01:11.35 | nvidia | wait |
| 01:11.43 | _meLIan3 | ? |
| 01:11.53 | nvidia | try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221263 |
| 01:12.22 | nvidia | i wrote "1280x1024 ubuntu" on google.com |
| 01:12.50 | _meLIan3 | http://paste.debian.net/32680 |
| 01:12.56 | _meLIan3 | My xorg.conf :) |
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| 01:13.39 | _meLIan3 | nvidia: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg / Don't resolve my problem :( |
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| 01:14.40 | nvidia | are you using a nvidia proprietary driver? the driver that comes with xorg? or the binary nvidia driver on non-free? |
| 01:14.51 | Rune- | hi everyone, i have a question. not sure if this is the right place to ask so please don't flame me. |
| 01:15.01 | _Sketch_ | Any way to search for someone by name? I'm looking for Joel Aelwyn... |
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| 01:15.16 | _meLIan3 | nvidia: No nvidia ... sis driver |
| 01:15.40 | Rune- | using cygwinx i can run x11 apps on my local windows machine... but i was hoping to be able to reuse those apps instances after i reboot windows, while they are still running on my debian box |
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| 01:15.55 | nvidia | so your driver is the one that comes with xorg right? |
| 01:15.56 | MangosDebian | _meLIan3: so it works with lower resolutions, just not 1280x1024? |
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| 01:16.09 | Rune- | is it possible to reconnect to running apps using x11 on win32? |
| 01:16.16 | Rune- | or any xserver client? |
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| 01:16.23 | lindylex | hello all |
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| 01:16.48 | _meLIan3 | nvidia: yes sis driver is impleted in xorg and vesa driver don't run in 1280 :( |
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| 01:17.04 | MangosDebian | Rune-: vnc was suggested earlier |
| 01:17.12 | RyanRyan52 | How do I get the default apache configuration back? I accidently deleted /etc/apache2. When I try to reinstall it it says: "Starting web server (apache2)...apache2: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: No such file or directory" |
| 01:17.21 | lindylex | My friend connect to ther internet threw a usb and how sprint cellulat phone. Is there a website that show me how to do this with debian? |
| 01:17.30 | Rune- | MangosDebian; kinda sad but it might be the way. at least i wouldn't need xserver on win32 |
| 01:17.51 | nvidia | _meLIan3 make a backup of your xorg.conf and try this: remove the other modes from line 113 on your post, just leave 1280x1024 |
| 01:18.32 | MangosDebian | Rune-: who knows, there may be some sort of X proxy that allows you to redirect on the fly to diff DISPLAY, but I cant remember anything specific to that setup |
| 01:18.35 | _meLIan3 | nvidia: Already made, but nothing changes |
| 01:18.45 | Rune- | ill try asking in #xorg :) |
| 01:19.00 | Rune- | thanks.. |
| 01:19.00 | _meLIan3 | nvidia: you send the xorg.0.log? |
| 01:19.11 | hollywoodb | is there any harm in mixing aptitude & apt-get when installing? |
| 01:19.12 | nvidia | _meLIan3: put a # in front of dri, on line 39, and try |
| 01:19.54 | _meLIan3 | nvidia: ok i test ;) |
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| 01:20.11 | AmigoLu | nvidia: Hello I have a nvidia gforce2 and Im running debian lenny, kernel 2.6.21-2 and I triyed to install the driver but I got a dependency problem.. it requieres 2.6.18... is there any tip you can tell me? please? I already google it and got nothing =( |
| 01:20.46 | nvidia | AmigoLu: yes i can help you |
| 01:20.47 | _Sketch_ | Wow. Everyone has display problems... |
| 01:20.48 | lindylex | hollywoodb: I have always wondered the same thing. So far no problems here. I mostly use "aptitude". |
| 01:21.41 | nvidia | AmigoLu: i recommend you to use the drivers on www.nvidia.com, they work with every kernel |
| 01:21.47 | cast | hollywoodb: yes, a little bit. don't mix them |
| 01:21.51 | Rune- | i got another question. what the hell happened to vi? in move mode, can't move past EOL to add new characters to a line |
| 01:21.52 | cast | hollywoodb: use just aptitude |
| 01:22.20 | JordiGH2 | nvidia: Is that the current advice? Used to be in the past that drivers from nvidia.com would break Debian. |
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| 01:22.25 | nvidia | AmigoLu: what is exactily your video card? there are 3 versions of drivers for linux, but in debian repository, for some reason, there are only two, that's an absurd |
| 01:22.29 | extracell | hi, i did this http://paster.mine.nu/?ID=101501213 now synaptic says libc6-dev is broken, yet when i revert back to libc6 2.5.9+b1 synaptic tells me that libc6-i686 is broken, i cant remove them because it inisists on removing a whole other bunch of stuff, the only thing i was trying to do was install fuse and ntfs-3g now im stumped as to where to go can anyone help? |
| 01:22.46 | JordiGH2 | nvidia: Does Debian have permission to distribute all three? |
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| 01:23.15 | lindylex | Any ideas on the usb phone internet laptop connection? ANy websites that explain how to do this? |
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| 01:23.20 | nvidia | i don't know, but this is very strange |
| 01:23.34 | AmigoLu | nvidia: nvidia gforce2 64Mb I used 96xx legacy series before with debian etch without problems |
| 01:23.39 | nvidia | just go to http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html, there it is |
| 01:23.40 | JordiGH2 | nvidia: It may be that the DDs are getting fed up with nvidia too. :-) |
| 01:23.43 | meteor-1500 | hi - got some problems with wpa for wireless on debian - got the wpa-ssid and key setup in the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 01:23.51 | meteor-1500 | that seems to work, i ifup and get an ip |
| 01:23.59 | meteor-1500 | but i can't ping anything on the network or reach the net etc |
| 01:24.03 | nvidia | AmigoLu: wait a second, i will see this |
| 01:24.23 | _meLIan4 | nvidia: don't change: http://paste.debian.net/32755 |
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| 01:24.27 | Texou | hi |
| 01:24.35 | chrisphoneman | lindylex: what type of phone? are you speaking of tethering your cell phone? |
| 01:24.40 | MangosDebian | extracell: hmmm, a t-dip.dialin.net hosted paster? |
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| 01:24.53 | AmigoLu | nvidia: sure... thank you :) |
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| 01:25.11 | MangosDebian | that network needs some federal investigation |
| 01:25.11 | extracell | i didnt make or host the paster, i just used it :> |
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| 01:25.36 | nvidia | AmigoLu: http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html, i am looking there |
| 01:25.40 | manu_hack | all of a sudden i have no sound, [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory, what to do now? |
| 01:25.52 | nvidia | _meLIan4: wait a second ok |
| 01:25.53 | manu_hack | before it has no problem |
| 01:25.54 | massctrl | MangosDebian: when I check the drive with hdparm -i /dev/hdc I get udma5* being marked as active but no dma modes are active only udma, I suppose that's ok? |
| 01:26.06 | Texou | I'm building a kernel by hand for various reasons. Can you tell me, after make modules_install, cp bzImage, cp .config... etc how can I generate a initrd-linux-2.6.21? and is it equal to ;inux-2.6.21 in /boot? |
| 01:26.07 | _meLIan4 | nvidia: thx ;) no problem i wait |
| 01:26.20 | lindylex | chrisphoneman:sanyo 7400 |
| 01:26.51 | AmigoLu | nvidia: GeForce2 MX/MX 400 this is my card |
| 01:27.10 | nvidia | AmigoLu: depending of your geforce2, may be 96* or 71*, please look at this page 0103 |
| 01:27.10 | nvidia | GeForce2 GTS/GeForce2 Pro 0x0150 |
| 01:27.10 | nvidia | GeForce2 Tinozaure 0x0151 |
| 01:27.28 | MangosDebian | massctrl: so its using udma5? |
| 01:27.30 | chrisphoneman | Lindylex: you will need the proper software and a tethered data connect plan on your cell account |
| 01:27.35 | chrisphoneman | what carrier? |
| 01:28.03 | MangosDebian | massctrl: hdparm -vi /dev/hda and post to pastebin? |
| 01:28.10 | nvidia | AmigoLu: so your driver is really 96*, did you get it and tried to install it? |
| 01:28.12 | massctrl | MangosDebian: yes, but when I query the disk with hdparm /dev/hdc (without parameter) hdparm days dma=off |
| 01:28.28 | massctrl | MangosDebian: ok rebooting box just a sec |
| 01:28.36 | lindylex | chrisphoneman: what software is this? |
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| 01:29.36 | lindylex | i found this http://www.natecarlson.com/linux/sanyo-4900.php they said I can use the phone. They jusy don't give any clear instrunctiona |
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| 01:29.51 | nvidia | _meLIan3: are you there? |
| 01:29.59 | lindylex | Like what software and command to install. |
| 01:30.02 | lindylex | etc |
| 01:30.15 | AmigoLu | nvidia: yes I used 96xx drivers before when I was using 2.6.18 kernell on debian etch... I triyed it with my 2.6.21 kernel but this drivers 96xx looks for 2.6.18 kernel and dont compile |
| 01:30.21 | nvidia | _meLIan4: i am looking your file |
| 01:30.22 | chrisphoneman | lindylex: I don't know if any is available for linux but most manufacturers will have pc sync software on their website for tethering |
| 01:30.24 | MangosDebian | lindylex: what does syslog report when you plug in the phone usb? |
| 01:30.57 | lindylex | MangosDebian: how do i get that info |
| 01:31.03 | nvidia | AmigoLu: but you got it on nvidia.com, right? |
| 01:31.16 | MangosDebian | lindylex: tail -f /var/log/syslog, then plug it in and see what if anything it spits out |
| 01:31.27 | Texou | did I have an answer I didn't see? |
| 01:31.30 | _meLIan4 | nvidia: thx |
| 01:31.36 | lindylex | ok |
| 01:31.48 | AmigoLu | nvidia: I will try once again with nvidia official driver I got 1 compile error first time and I didnt try it again |
| 01:32.20 | nvidia | _meLIan3: look at the lines 494-497, it is weard, don't you think? are you sure your monitor supports this? |
| 01:32.30 | nvidia | AmigoLu: wait |
| 01:32.31 | AmigoLu | nvidia: yes I got it on nvidia.com |
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| 01:32.53 | massctrl | MangosDebian: do you know a good pastebot |
| 01:32.54 | namit|home | i had 2 dhcp servers on my network and picked up wrong ip when starting up so i unplued that dhcp server and did reboot but computer will not pick up ip can anyone help me? |
| 01:32.56 | nvidia | AmigoLu: maybe you didn't have the tools to install nvidia |
| 01:33.15 | _meLIan4 | nvidia: my monitor is an externe. VGA output use |
| 01:33.15 | MangosDebian | massctrl: pastebin.ca |
| 01:33.15 | nvidia | AmigoLu: you need to have gcc, kernel-headers installed |
| 01:33.26 | MangosDebian | !paste |
| 01:33.26 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 01:33.39 | MangosDebian | or one of those |
| 01:33.42 | nvidia | _meLIan3: i know, but your card support this resolution? |
| 01:33.50 | massctrl | MangosDebian: http://pastebin.ca/619835 |
| 01:34.04 | _meLIan4 | with windows the 1280x1024 run ... |
| 01:34.13 | nvidia | _meLIan3: if your answer is yes, i think i have a solution |
| 01:34.24 | _meLIan4 | nvidia: yes ;) |
| 01:34.31 | AmigoLu | nvidia: yes I have gcc and kernel-headers. |
| 01:34.45 | cast | _meLIan4: ....then go back to using windows? such comments are not constructive. |
| 01:34.51 | AmigoLu | nvidia: I got a compile error. let me check out the log file |
| 01:34.57 | MangosDebian | massctrl: seems to think its in udma3 mode :/ |
| 01:35.05 | nvidia | _meLIan3: try to manually configure your hsync range and vrefresh to something very big, do you know how to do this? |
| 01:35.36 | MangosDebian | massctrl: are you using an old machine or a 40pin ribbon? |
| 01:35.54 | nvidia | AmigoLu: so you finished the nvidia-installer with success? |
| 01:35.55 | _meLIan4 | cast: sorry but i'm noob on linux ... i begin :( |
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| 01:36.07 | massctrl | MangosDebian: strange thing is that I have 2 of these disks, identical, yet different values, one with dma and one without,... |
| 01:36.18 | nvidia | cast: shut up, don't be a idiot |
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| 01:36.19 | MangosDebian | massctrl: i see that |
| 01:36.27 | Texou | mkinitrd only works after the kernel is changed into a package.deb? |
| 01:36.37 | AmigoLu | nvidia: FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'para virt_ops' |
| 01:36.40 | massctrl | MangosDebian: booh, it'sa P4 3 years I think, not the newest on the block but fairly ok |
| 01:37.05 | cast | _meLIan4: ahh my bad. that line was at the top of the buffer and i didn't scroll up :) |
| 01:37.07 | AmigoLu | nvidia: this was the error message |
| 01:37.09 | SerajewelKS | AmigoLu: this is a known bug with kernels 2.6.20 and 2.6.21 |
| 01:37.10 | MangosDebian | massctrl: are you using 40pin or 80's? |
| 01:37.13 | _meLIan4 | nvidia: no for the config manually the hsync. I don't know this |
| 01:37.23 | cast | nvidia: i can't. :( |
| 01:37.32 | SerajewelKS | AmigoLu: you need to use a different kernel or wait for 2.6.22 to enter sid |
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| 01:37.44 | massctrl | MangosDebian: regular ide cables, ... don't know if that are 40 or 80 pins,.. |
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| 01:38.00 | AmigoLu | SerajewelKS: oh!! there is no patch or something? |
| 01:38.06 | MangosDebian | massctrl: 80's are very fine/small wires. compares to thick ones on say floppy drive |
| 01:38.14 | _meLIan4 | nvidia: http://paste.debian.net/32744 a other config don't run with modeline |
| 01:38.17 | nvidia | AmigoLu: this is weard, usually the installer says something like: you need gcc, you need kernel-headears, etc |
| 01:38.32 | Texou | what's the package to have initrd? |
| 01:38.33 | SerajewelKS | nvidia: as i said, this is a 2.6.20-2.6.21 bug |
| 01:38.35 | MangosDebian | massctrl: that alone prolly get you to udma4 or 5 depending on your chipset |
| 01:38.51 | nvidia | SerajewelKS: thanks |
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| 01:39.04 | nvidia | _meLIan3: i will look there now |
| 01:39.06 | SerajewelKS | AmigoLu: there is a potential workaround on the BTS, though i have not tried it |
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| 01:39.08 | massctrl | MangosDebian: ic, ... I will have a look into that, ... you think the problem is somewere in that direction ? |
| 01:39.18 | MangosDebian | massctrl: if you can, try mount the second drive ro and sync first and bump the udma to 4 or 5 and run some read tests |
| 01:39.41 | nvidia | seraphangel: the funny thing is that i this worked for me on slackware linux 12.0 |
| 01:39.55 | nvidia | with the kernel you said |
| 01:40.02 | SerajewelKS | nvidia: i assume you are talking to me there |
| 01:40.09 | MangosDebian | massctrl: I cant say for sure, but a drive in dma3 on a fairly new system strikes me as off to begin with. |
| 01:40.14 | nvidia | SerajewelKS: yes, i was |
| 01:40.25 | massctrl | MangosDebian:ic |
| 01:40.30 | nvidia | i am using bitchx completion, sometimes it makes mistakes |
| 01:40.32 | SerajewelKS | nvidia: did you compile your kernel with CONFIG_PARAVIRT (or whatever the option is) |
| 01:40.46 | nvidia | SerajewelKS: no, i didn't |
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| 01:40.54 | MangosDebian | massctrl: dmesg | less and /<search word> around for some hdc and hdd lines. see what bootup has to say |
| 01:40.55 | SerajewelKS | nvidia: well there you go then |
| 01:41.18 | nvidia | SerajewelKS: ok |
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| 01:41.47 | nvidia | AmigoLu: i don't know what to do then! |
| 01:42.45 | nvidia | _meLIan3: let's try to manually setup hsinc, i don't remember how to do this anymore also |
| 01:42.49 | AmigoLu | nvidia: =( no problem in order with SerajewelKS I need to wait or try some trick |
| 01:42.58 | MangosDebian | massctrl: might wanna try 32bit io support on them too when you get things running. also, check for modules for your chipset. sometimes there are reasons things are set as they are |
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| 01:43.50 | nvidia | AmigoLu: were you trying to do the default installation, or something different? |
| 01:43.52 | SerajewelKS | AmigoLu: or downgrade to 2.6.18 for example |
| 01:44.37 | AmigoLu | nvidia: default installation |
| 01:44.51 | _meLIan4 | nvidia: Ok, I will test later. I will sleep. 4h in France ;) |
| 01:44.54 | SerajewelKS | AmigoLu: you are using 2.6.21-2, yes? |
| 01:45.06 | AmigoLu | SerajewelKS: yes I affraid so |
| 01:45.17 | nvidia | AmigoLu: i'm not sure, but i got the same nvidia driver you told me, and on slackware 12, with kernel 2.6.21 or 2.6.22 ( i think ), it worked fine |
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| 01:45.32 | nvidia | _meLIan3: ok |
| 01:45.34 | SerajewelKS | nvidia: because you are not using paravirt |
| 01:45.50 | SerajewelKS | the debian kernels are compiled with paravirt support |
| 01:45.54 | brianski | hmm... anyone know of a way to get "instantaneous load" - ie not the load average of the past 1 minute, but say the past 5 seconds or 1 second, or something like that? |
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| 01:46.15 | _meLIan4 | nvidia: thx for your help, good night |
| 01:46.19 | nvidia | _meLIan3: the idea is to make hsinc and the other thing very big, so it will allow your "monitor" to get 1280x1024 |
| 01:46.19 | brianski | top has the info but i'm not sure how to invoke top without a terminal without constant updates |
| 01:46.22 | AmigoLu | SerajewelKS: there is a way to disable this option? |
| 01:46.31 | SerajewelKS | AmigoLu: if you compiler the kernel yourself |
| 01:46.39 | _meLIan4 | nvidia: ok ;) |
| 01:46.45 | SerajewelKS | compile* |
| 01:47.16 | _meLIan4 | nvidia: see you later :) |
| 01:47.20 | AmigoLu | oh I see |
| 01:47.30 | nvidia | AmigoLu: i am not sure if i can do this, but i suggest you to try slackware, because it comes with unmodified kernel, programs, so it has a bigger chance to work |
| 01:48.20 | solitude | yay for slackware. |
| 01:48.30 | AmigoLu | nvidia: I will try slackware then, but before I will try to compile my debian kernel by myself |
| 01:48.41 | SerajewelKS | nvidia: uhm, no |
| 01:48.52 | SerajewelKS | nvidia: the debian kernel was not "modified" |
| 01:48.54 | vorpal | AmigoLu: get kernel-package |
| 01:49.14 | SerajewelKS | nvidia: it was compiled with different options. the slackware configuration is not any more standard than debian's. |
| 01:49.28 | securi | How do i move a file to another folder? |
| 01:49.56 | vorpal | securi: mv |
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| 01:50.03 | cast | securi: mv file dst/folder |
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| 01:50.10 | MangosDebian | !securi-- |
| 01:50.23 | AmigoLu | vorpal: I will check it |
| 01:50.24 | nvidia | SerajewelKS: ok |
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| 01:51.21 | stuiop | Hello, I am trying to setup a jabber server on my home, but, what is the way to add users using jabber.xml o something like this? |
| 01:51.35 | nvidia | AmigoLu: what is your architeture? |
| 01:51.56 | vorpal | stuiop: #jabber |
| 01:52.12 | AmigoLu | nvidia: 686 |
| 01:52.16 | stuiop | what is a 'debian' specific question? |
| 01:52.19 | nvidia | stuiop: i don't know |
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| 01:52.36 | securi | http://oush.is-a-geek.com |
| 01:52.43 | securi | thanks |
| 01:52.45 | nvidia | stuiop: actually i use amsn, because here everyone uses it |
| 01:52.51 | securi | can someone tell me if they can see all the images please: http://oush.is-a-geek.com |
| 01:52.54 | Azar | securi, read and practice this in a user account: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html |
| 01:53.04 | massctrl | MangosDebian: ok thanks for the info, cheers mate |
| 01:53.26 | securi | will do tomorrow |
| 01:53.41 | Azar | securi: why not now? |
| 01:53.42 | MangosDebian | massctrl: np. drop by and let me know if you ever get it working. kinda curious, for closure |
| 01:53.51 | securi | im half sleep lol |
| 01:54.07 | Guerin | put the other half to sleep too |
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| 01:54.44 | Azar | eh I just woke up from a mexican siesta |
| 01:54.46 | massctrl | MangosDebian: ok I will bye |
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| 01:59.06 | gargantua | hey guys |
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| 01:59.30 | gargantua | this is going to sound very stupid but, how do I open the recyle bin? |
| 01:59.38 | gargantua | you know, where all my deleted files are... |
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| 02:00.03 | findme | dba_recyclebin |
| 02:00.03 | securi | how do i rename a file? |
| 02:00.35 | gargantua | please help me... |
| 02:00.48 | LightKnight | securi: mv <oldname> <newname> |
| 02:01.37 | LightKnight | gargantua: what environment are you using? Gnome, KDE, other? |
| 02:01.42 | securi | OK got it thanks |
| 02:01.46 | gargantua | GNOME |
| 02:01.47 | LightKnight | :) |
| 02:02.21 | cast | gargantua: in your file manager menu somewhere will be trash, sometimes its just in ~/.Trash/ with gnome i think |
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| 02:03.00 | LightKnight | gargantua: you should try perusing your config options to see how to make your trash bin appear on the desktop. |
| 02:03.01 | securi | im looking to turn PHP on in the apache config what do i look for exactly? |
| 02:03.20 | gargantua | #php or #apache |
| 02:03.35 | LightKnight | gargantua: apartfrom that, cast's advice applies (or so I guess) :-) |
| 02:03.41 | gargantua | LightKnight: jow do I do that? |
| 02:03.42 | LightKnight | *apart from |
| 02:03.49 | gargantua | I can't find the trash in the menu... |
| 02:03.55 | LightKnight | gargantua: don't know... never tried it, sorry. |
| 02:04.09 | gargantua | never tried gnome? |
| 02:04.20 | LightKnight | never tried searching for the recycle bin :) |
| 02:04.25 | gargantua | lol |
| 02:04.28 | gargantua | where is yours? |
| 02:04.46 | Pencil | !install vsftpd |
| 02:04.48 | Pencil | hm |
| 02:04.49 | LightKnight | gargantua: don't remember... I'm not using gnome on this box :) |
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| 02:04.58 | Pencil | i have vsftpd installed, but it wont let me connect to it. |
| 02:05.01 | gargantua | what are you using then? |
| 02:05.04 | Pencil | anyone have this issue beforE? |
| 02:05.07 | gargantua | I really dont like gnome... |
| 02:05.21 | Pencil | debian:/var/www# invoke-rc.d vsftpd restart |
| 02:05.21 | Pencil | Restarting FTP server: vsftpd. |
| 02:05.23 | gargantua | I'm looking for suggestions :) |
| 02:05.26 | Pencil | i still cant connect to it |
| 02:05.32 | LightKnight | gargantua: openbox. I have GNOME accounts on other machines I can't get physically on. |
| 02:05.43 | LightKnight | ... ATM, that is. |
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| 02:05.49 | gargantua | openbox eh? |
| 02:05.54 | LightKnight | yeah :) |
| 02:06.01 | LightKnight | !openbox |
| 02:06.01 | dpkg | well, openbox is blackbox, but leeter. http://www.openbox.org, or better than fluxbox. |
| 02:06.03 | hollywoodb | gargantua: I like xfce... anyways, open up ~/.Trash/ in a file browser |
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| 02:06.13 | Pencil | anybody have a clue? |
| 02:06.20 | gargantua | I just installed it :) |
| 02:06.22 | gargantua | brb |
| 02:06.58 | LightKnight | poor chap... try to figure his disappointment when he'll find out :-/ |
| 02:07.12 | Pencil | Starting ftp server: proftpd - IPv6 getaddrinfo 'debian' error: Name or service not known |
| 02:07.15 | Pencil | i tried vsftpd too |
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| 02:07.23 | gargantua | what the hell, lol. |
| 02:07.24 | Pencil | i mean prottpd |
| 02:07.29 | gargantua | where are the icons? |
| 02:07.35 | securi | anny ideas why its like that? http://172.188.78.246/index.ph |
| 02:07.38 | Pencil | any ideas? |
| 02:07.38 | securi | iv installed php ... |
| 02:07.40 | securi | http://172.188.78.246/index.php |
| 02:07.48 | LightKnight | gargantua: no icons, or almost... it's *very* skinny. |
| 02:07.58 | Pencil | it works for me securi |
| 02:08.08 | securi | can you see the images and everything? |
| 02:08.11 | gargantua | sorry man |
| 02:08.12 | hollywoodb | securi: what's wrong with it? |
| 02:08.13 | Pencil | yes |
| 02:08.14 | gargantua | not feeling it |
| 02:08.16 | Pencil | clear your cache securi |
| 02:08.21 | inFw_ | Pencil: what is the error you get when trying to login in vsftpd? |
| 02:08.23 | Pencil | i just delt with that |
| 02:08.28 | securi | ahhh ok! |
| 02:08.29 | securi | thanks |
| 02:08.30 | Pencil | it just says it timed out and cant connect inFw_ |
| 02:08.38 | Pencil | hah securi, i just had that issue 2 minutes ago. |
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| 02:08.39 | gargantua | securi: how do you do tha server online time thing? |
| 02:08.58 | Pencil | any clues inFw? |
| 02:09.04 | inFw | Pencil: have you checked if the port is really open ? |
| 02:09.05 | securi | its a script |
| 02:09.06 | Pencil | 23790 ? Ss 0:00 proftpd: (accepting connections) |
| 02:09.11 | securi | can email it to you if you want :) |
| 02:09.35 | inFw | hum.. Pencil isn't firewall blockingit ? |
| 02:09.41 | gargantua | securi: that would be nice :) |
| 02:09.43 | hollywoodb | gargantua: xfce4 is somewhat similar to gnome but faster and more basic (not nearly as basic as openbox though) |
| 02:09.49 | securi | pm me your email mate |
| 02:09.51 | securi | or |
| 02:09.55 | Pencil | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.56 | gargantua | I tried xfce too |
| 02:09.57 | Pencil | i jsut turned my fireall off |
| 02:10.23 | Pencil | wow. |
| 02:10.25 | Pencil | LMFAO. |
| 02:10.26 | gargantua | what else do you guys recommend? |
| 02:10.27 | inFw | Pencil: weren't you using vsftpd ? |
| 02:10.27 | Pencil | it was a firewall woopsie. |
| 02:10.30 | Pencil | i changed to proftpd |
| 02:10.36 | Pencil | proftpd seems easier anyways. |
| 02:10.37 | inFw | ah |
| 02:10.43 | gargantua | securi: did you get it? |
| 02:10.45 | inFw | I use vsftpd, pretty happy with it |
| 02:10.46 | Pencil | is proftpd a security hazard? |
| 02:11.02 | inFw | I think it's ok |
| 02:11.05 | securi | gargantua did you get my pm? |
| 02:11.08 | securi | link to it! |
| 02:11.08 | Pencil | hm, ill jsut use vsftpd to be on the safe side |
| 02:11.15 | Pencil | how do i purge remove the proftpd package again? |
| 02:11.17 | gargantua | yes I did securi, thanks alot. |
| 02:11.19 | inFw | Pencil: exactly my thoughts :p |
| 02:11.29 | securi | Np |
| 02:11.30 | Pencil | lmao |
| 02:11.31 | SerajewelKS | Pencil: if you have to ask if a server is secure you shouldn't be running it exposed |
| 02:12.04 | gargantua | what else is out there? |
| 02:12.31 | robboplus | is it possible to clone db in mysql? |
| 02:12.32 | gargantua | I tried e17, gnome, kde, xfce, fluxbox, what else is there :) |
| 02:12.39 | Pencil | i was asking if a application was secure |
| 02:12.43 | cast | gargantua: e16! |
| 02:12.48 | gargantua | lol |
| 02:12.50 | Pencil | anyways how do i give access to my user so i can upload? |
| 02:12.52 | Pencil | its nto letting me upload now! |
| 02:12.54 | SerajewelKS | Pencil: proftpd is a server |
| 02:12.55 | gargantua | that's the one I have right now cast. |
| 02:12.59 | Pencil | i chmodded the folder |
| 02:13.00 | gargantua | anything else? |
| 02:13.05 | Pencil | oh gotcha |
| 02:13.17 | Pencil | 550 Permission denied. |
| 02:13.26 | Pencil | i just chmodded the folder im using |
| 02:13.27 | Pencil | to 777. |
| 02:13.28 | cast | gargantua: hmm, those freedee ones? |
| 02:13.35 | inFw | Pencil: check your vsftpd.conf :) |
| 02:13.44 | MangosDebian | robboplus: mysqldump --single-transaction --quick -p dbname > dbdump.sql |
| 02:13.45 | blow_fish | pencil, are you that dude/girl also uses freebsd? |
| 02:13.49 | gargantua | cast: ??? |
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| 02:13.55 | cast | gargantua: compiz..etc... |
| 02:14.03 | gargantua | ah |
| 02:14.05 | Pencil | nevermind hold on. |
| 02:14.08 | coldsteal | hello im having a problem with apt http://rafb.net/p/OFfqCZ47.html |
| 02:14.09 | inFw | Pencil: look @ write_enable :) |
| 02:14.10 | Pencil | what? nah you got the wrong guy. |
| 02:14.10 | gargantua | cast: I find them a pain to install |
| 02:14.15 | gargantua | I tried Beryl on Ubuntu |
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| 02:14.24 | cast | gargantua: i imagine they have. thus i haben't bothered :\ |
| 02:14.34 | blow_fish | i swear i saw a pencil somewhere |
| 02:14.35 | cast | i do have nothing to do today though. maybe i should try |
| 02:14.37 | robboplus | MangosDebian :) thank you... i believe you know that it's late here and i'm really very tired... your help is really appreciated |
| 02:14.41 | gargantua | it was pretty nice, just a bit _too_ nice if you know what I mean |
| 02:14.48 | robboplus | i do reading but not at 4.14am... |
| 02:14.55 | coldsteal | anyone? |
| 02:15.02 | coldsteal | im having a problem with apt http://rafb.net/p/OFfqCZ47.html |
| 02:15.07 | gargantua | them wabbly windows where making my eyes hurt, lol. |
| 02:15.12 | Guerin | coldsteal: be patient |
| 02:15.27 | Guerin | we are not your personal problem-solving service |
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| 02:15.38 | distatica | You're not?!? Damn. |
| 02:15.44 | MangosDebian | robboplus: its ok, im used to spoon feeding the infants ;P |
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| 02:15.57 | robboplus | lol |
| 02:16.17 | Pencil | well now i have another issue |
| 02:16.18 | gargantua | cast: what is the most simliar to windows' environment? |
| 02:16.23 | robboplus | MangosDebian you couldn't have said it any better he he |
| 02:16.24 | Guerin | coldsteal: paste the full and complete output of aptitude -f install; |
| 02:16.28 | Pencil | the FTP isn't reading any of my users, i checked /etc/passwd & /etc/ftpusers |
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| 02:16.32 | Guerin | gargantua: windows |
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| 02:16.51 | gargantua | Guerin: there is a environment called windows for linux now? |
| 02:17.03 | distatica | gargantua: are you asking about window managers? |
| 02:17.10 | Guerin | gargantua: if you want windows, why the fuck would you run debian? |
| 02:17.15 | hollywoodb | I keep getting an md5sum mismatch installing flashplugin-nonfree, is there a workaround for this (besides getting the tarball & untarring it manually) ? |
| 02:17.21 | distatica | There was one on the PHLAK live CD that looked almost exactly like windows, if you're trying to set it up for someone that isn't used ot linux. |
| 02:17.22 | gargantua | Gurein: piss off :) |
| 02:17.30 | MangosDebian | Guerin: *gasp* language! |
| 02:17.32 | cast | gargantua: icewm was windows 98 like, last time i looked |
| 02:17.32 | Guerin | gargantua: i was about to say the same to you. |
| 02:17.43 | Guerin | MangosDebian: english, motherfucker, do you speak it? |
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| 02:17.48 | distatica | Guerin: some people like windows, also, some people have friends or family they install linux for who are used to windows and unwilling to learn another window manager. |
| 02:17.51 | gargantua | icewm eh? |
| 02:17.56 | gargantua | brb |
| 02:18.13 | coldsteal | Guerin: http://rafb.net/p/rtbBfV87.html |
| 02:18.21 | Guerin | distatica: what I don't get is why those people who want windows-alike don't just run windows |
| 02:18.39 | distatica | Even though I have a hard time understanding how a rat with a x through it, or a big K, is much different than a start menu |
| 02:18.40 | Guerin | coldsteal: that'sm not what I asked for. |
| 02:18.53 | distatica | Guerin: Have you checked the price of linux, vs the price of windows lately? |
| 02:18.56 | coldsteal | thats the full output of the cmd |
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| 02:19.02 | coldsteal | you wanted me to do |
| 02:19.04 | distatica | Just because someone doesn't have money doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to use their computer. |
| 02:19.12 | robboplus | MangosDebian is there a nice one liner that will do the same for like 10 diff tables? |
| 02:19.14 | coldsteal | Guerin> coldsteal: paste the full and complete output of aptitude -f install; |
| 02:19.18 | MangosDebian | Guerin: prolly cause people want windows without all the trickery, deception and bugs |
| 02:19.22 | Pencil | hey how did you restrict users from seeing stuff like /etc/ /var etc. |
| 02:19.23 | Pencil | ? |
| 02:19.24 | coldsteal | Guerin> coldsteal: paste the full and complete output of aptitude -f install; |
| 02:19.24 | Guerin | distatica: no, but I don't anticipate it's changed since I last used windows, when the price of both was about a GB download. |
| 02:19.26 | robboplus | MangosDebian not whole db, just 10-12 tables out of it |
| 02:19.28 | distatica | ooh, yeah what MangosDebian said. |
| 02:19.30 | zinx | MangosDebian: that's not what debian is |
| 02:19.33 | Guerin | coldsteal: and you didn't. |
| 02:19.50 | distatica | Guerin: are you referring to pirated windows? |
| 02:19.52 | MangosDebian | zinx: who said debian? i was speaking in context of window managers |
| 02:19.59 | coldsteal | thats all the output i get |
| 02:20.02 | zinx | MangosDebian: that's definitely not what window managers are :/ |
| 02:20.05 | Guerin | MangosDebian: windows is *all* deception, trickery and bugs. What you're saying is they want the hamburger without the ham, or the burger. |
| 02:20.19 | MangosDebian | robboplus: man mysqldump, you can specifiy tables if you dont want them all ;) |
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| 02:20.24 | Guerin | distatica: no, i'm talking about the one you get OEM with your computer. |
| 02:20.40 | vorpal | distatica: i have a theory that windows would not have gained popular acceptance if it were not for the piracy |
| 02:20.48 | distatica | Guerin: no, they want the ham gone (windows) but want to keep the burger (similar to windows window manager) |
| 02:21.07 | distatica | vorpal: sure, but it's still not a logical choice for all situations. |
| 02:21.07 | MangosDebian | Guerin: i was refering to the deception of the company behind Windows (tm) |
| 02:21.32 | Guerin | the point i'm trying to make is to use the right tool for the job |
| 02:21.35 | distatica | Ie. a local teen drop in center in my old city ran debian, they could not afford windows and they sure as hell couldn't have pirated it. |
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| 02:21.56 | distatica | I'm just saying that there is a time and a place for a windows looking window manager. |
| 02:21.58 | MangosDebian | distatica: least they didnt pirate debian |
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| 02:22.14 | Guerin | it's like people who piss and moan that the latest 3d hardware isn't supported on debian for teh g4m3z - if they'd just go and buy a fucking console they'd not have any problems |
| 02:22.15 | distatica | With a task manager and most things they are used to. |
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| 02:22.28 | vorpal | distatica: of course not. i would be much happier if micro$oft's license policies were strictly enforced. |
| 02:22.41 | MangosDebian | Guerin: is beryl a game? |
| 02:22.41 | Guerin | distatica: if there was, the law of supply and demand dictates it would have become popular. |
| 02:22.45 | Guerin | MangosDebian: yes. |
| 02:22.50 | distatica | Meh, I guess. Would be nice if you donated that money to the people who can't just go and "buy" something. Let me see, son eats or I get a better computer... |
| 02:22.52 | distatica | simple one for me. |
| 02:23.05 | romano2k | hi ! does anyone know how to check the nvidia-glx driver version please ? |
| 02:23.09 | cast | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:MS_Windows-like_desktops FWIW |
| 02:23.11 | Guerin | distatica: indeed. |
| 02:23.19 | MangosDebian | distatica: your sick! who would pick a computer over his son eating! :) |
| 02:23.42 | zinx | if you're unwilling or unable to use something, you shouldn't be so particular about having to have that thing that you're unwilling to accept anything else :/ |
| 02:23.48 | distatica | haha, damn you guessed my choice. |
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| 02:24.28 | coldsteal | okay well i need some major help |
| 02:24.29 | gargantua | cast: that was nasty :D |
| 02:24.38 | coldsteal | i screwed up my system |
| 02:24.39 | coldsteal | lol |
| 02:24.52 | coldsteal | okay i deleted some account |
| 02:24.54 | vorpal | i.e. if pirated windows software incurred a reliable penalty, the world would be better off. as it stands, m$ is able to become a monopoly because there software propogated to a large degree via non-compliant licensing. |
| 02:24.56 | hollywoodb | gargantua: so use kde |
| 02:25.00 | cast | gargantua: did i say 98? i meant 95 |
| 02:25.01 | coldsteal | and it removed bash and nano |
| 02:25.06 | coldsteal | thats all i know sofar |
| 02:25.07 | gargantua | cast: lol |
| 02:25.07 | vorpal | thier* |
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| 02:25.10 | coldsteal | *so far |
| 02:25.11 | vorpal | their* |
| 02:25.12 | distatica | zinx: When you don't have money for food, you are still capable of accepting food, you just can't buy it. |
| 02:25.14 | Guerin | coldsteal: reinstall |
| 02:25.14 | gargantua | I am sticking with ma gnome :) |
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| 02:25.39 | coldsteal | Guerin: can you do i find cmd of the users i deleted |
| 02:25.40 | Guerin | vorpal: this is not a new theory |
| 02:25.47 | zinx | distatica: sure, but you shouldn't only accept the best wine and cheese as your food :P |
| 02:25.47 | coldsteal | and then scp me the scripts |
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| 02:25.54 | Guerin | coldsteal: just give up and reinstall. |
| 02:25.58 | dotatoe | what's the difference between the regular netinst, and the one on get.debian.net ? |
| 02:25.59 | coldsteal | lol |
| 02:26.07 | distatica | well, as far as free OS' go, you don't have a whole lot of choice. |
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| 02:26.12 | lordollie | what is the reason for the 3 dvds I see being called debian, is it just a Hell of a lot of packages or what? |
| 02:26.17 | distatica | without getting only more difficult. |
| 02:26.17 | dotatoe | apparently, one is 180MB the other is 500+MB |
| 02:26.18 | Guerin | dotatoe: the one on get.debia.net is unofficial, ask the maintainer |
| 02:26.23 | Thasp | if windows weren't free linux would be very popular I think |
| 02:26.25 | dotatoe | support for different archs? |
| 02:26.28 | vorpal | Guerin: i would be surprised if someone else hadn't already thought of it. |
| 02:26.40 | distatica | And I don't think that the people I have installed linux for had a problem with linux, or missed windows, they just had lives.. meaning they couldn't spend a lot of time learning something as cool as linux. |
| 02:26.46 | nvz | Guerin: neither is GWB being a complete moron, but then again, what can you do about it.. if you kill the SOB then you rah rah rah Dick Cheney, Reh rah rah |
| 02:26.51 | Guerin | vorpal: it's a key plank of the MS/Adobe business models |
| 02:26.53 | distatica | There is a large amount of people that are like that, myself included. |
| 02:26.59 | zinx | distatica: they spent time learning windows :/ |
| 02:27.05 | Guerin | nvz: are you off your meds again? |
| 02:27.10 | distatica | Son eats, and get's his butt changed, or I spend all my time at a console. Simple decision for me. |
| 02:27.11 | Thasp | there is no time required to learn windows |
| 02:27.16 | distatica | Consoles have pretty text. ;) |
| 02:27.18 | zinx | Thasp: BS |
| 02:27.20 | Guerin | Thasp: bullshit |
| 02:27.26 | nvz | Guerin: no just pointing out you're all off topic :P |
| 02:27.27 | distatica | zinx: not necessarily true. |
| 02:27.31 | Guerin | Thasp: you only think that because the first computer you ever used ran windows |
| 02:27.32 | Thasp | there isn't even any learning |
| 02:27.38 | Thasp | the first computer I had ran dos |
| 02:27.39 | hollywoodb | Thasp: yeah, try using a windows system for the first time in about 5 years... it is confusing as hell when you're not used to it |
| 02:27.40 | cast | Thasp: what a load of crap. it took me ages to learn how to use windows, and i still can't fix half the things that explode when using it without reformatting |
| 02:27.41 | MangosDebian | distatica: lol |
| 02:27.43 | Guerin | nvz: heh, too subtle. |
| 02:27.50 | Thasp | then slackware, then windows 95 |
| 02:27.50 | distatica | zinx: I know people who are older, they didn't "learn" windows at all really, someone kept pointing it out to them, taught them the VERY basics. |
| 02:28.06 | Thasp | cast: I found windows 95 simpler than slackware |
| 02:28.16 | distatica | Those geeky, or even half arsed computer literate people, are often the teenagers who understand how to use nexxopia and fix their moms computers when they die. |
| 02:28.33 | lordollie | I like Windows 3.1 with DOS 6.0 |
| 02:28.42 | distatica | by die I mean that someone screwed with the wrong settings in an attempt to "learn" and set themselves back a day of work. |
| 02:29.00 | Thasp | I use whatever I find easier |
| 02:29.02 | cast | Thasp: thats a strawman argument is it not? we're not talking what is simpler, merely disgreeing with your comment that windows has no learning curve |
| 02:29.14 | Thasp | windows has less of a learning curve IMO for certain things |
| 02:29.17 | lordollie | It feels like driving a MAC truck with a pair of vise grips on the steering column and only the e-brake still working |
| 02:29.20 | MangosDebian | lordollie: actually i agree. ini files were so much easier to script and tweak for multi users/setups than win95 registry. probably why i like nix so much more |
| 02:29.28 | Guerin | Thasp: that's a much more sensible comment than your first one |
| 02:29.40 | Azar | lots of "window" users never learned more than point and click |
| 02:30.00 | Orion_X11 | lordollie: The reason is why not everybody in the world ha fast connection to install debian and its packages on-line. It is good to think that there are lots of people who even do not have a computer at home :-) |
| 02:30.03 | Thasp | for servers I think linux is easier, especially for a router.. windows ICS is so much harder and a pain in the ass |
| 02:30.05 | MangosDebian | Azar: ssssh, im done the point lesson, but I havent got to the click lesson yet |
| 02:30.07 | Azar | Debian linux is the great educational tool for those who really want to learn |
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| 02:30.18 | dotatoe | Azar: really? |
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| 02:30.28 | Thasp | but for a desktop there's so many less errors for random nonsense I think |
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| 02:30.39 | Azar | distatica: if you want to see what's "geeky" look here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html |
| 02:30.41 | lordollie | Orion_X11, fast?!?! I am at 44kbs |
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| 02:31.00 | robboplus | SQL ERROR: Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction <--hm?! :( |
| 02:31.13 | robboplus | how do i unlock the db? |
| 02:31.21 | Thasp | windows says you're missing .net framework, debian will give some odd error and I'll have to go into a channel or google it to find out I need build-essentials |
| 02:31.30 | Thasp | to most people this means nothing and is a stupid error, and to me even it isn't |
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| 02:31.42 | hollywoodb | three words: "General protection fault" |
| 02:31.45 | Guerin | Thasp: why are you trying to build software without knowing your platform? |
| 02:31.52 | MangosDebian | robboplus: hmm, guess mangos is locking the db on run now? |
| 02:31.55 | Thasp | but they add up when you try to do one thing, then another, then another, and just slow things down |
| 02:32.08 | Guerin | Thasp: than you fix them once and they STAY FIXED FOR EVER |
| 02:32.12 | Guerin | that's the main thing |
| 02:32.20 | cast | my mum, whom doesn't know how to copy and paste, manages to use GNOME quite well. on Debian or OpenSolaris [currently]. i think people overhype how hard it is to use things other than windows. [sure, she didn't set it up. but she didn't set up windows either, nor could] |
| 02:32.24 | Orion_X11 | lordollie: So. For people with slower connections it saves lots of time installing packages through dvds :-) |
| 02:32.34 | Thasp | that is why I use debian, Guerin |
| 02:32.48 | Thasp | :] |
| 02:32.50 | vorpal | Thasp, with OSS, at least you can *find* documentation |
| 02:32.54 | Guerin | :E |
| 02:32.54 | lordollie | cast, opensolaris is nice once you get it working, but before that it is Hell |
| 02:32.56 | Azar | Thasp: when you operate in Debian forget anything related to windows |
| 02:33.00 | Guerin | !:E |
| 02:33.00 | dpkg | Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! |
| 02:33.33 | cast | lordollie: well, SXCE67 [iirc], went quite well. the only thing that was missing was that it didn't add a regular user |
| 02:33.47 | hollywoodb | is there a way to get a list of things dpkg-reconfigure can reconfigure? |
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| 02:33.53 | cast | lordollie: i'd have to say it was easier than installing windows :) |
| 02:34.14 | MangosDebian | hollywoodb: dpkg --get-selections ? |
| 02:34.17 | Thasp | Guerin: I don't really know my platform when I install a program on windows either. |
| 02:34.17 | robboplus | MangosDebian it was a replicated db |
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| 02:34.29 | robboplus | MangosDebian and it still yells about it being locked |
| 02:34.29 | Thasp | I don't consider myself an expert with either OS |
| 02:34.30 | Guerin | Thasp: that's because it's *unknowable* |
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| 02:34.43 | lordollie | cast, it took forever to get my AMD, ATI, Broadcom, MArvell Yukon working |
| 02:34.54 | root3 | how can i use xorgconfig on debian? i think is not working for me |
| 02:34.56 | Thasp | I have to say it's easier to totally skullfuck a windows PC though |
| 02:35.02 | Guerin | root3: never use xorgconfig |
| 02:35.06 | MangosDebian | robboplus: havent had that problem before hmm. try figure out why its locked i guess |
| 02:35.13 | Thasp | some stuff just randomly will stop working for no reason if it's a multiuser PC, and good luck trying to get it to work |
| 02:35.16 | Guerin | !drxx root3 |
| 02:35.17 | dpkg | root3: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 02:35.42 | root3 | ok, thanks |
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| 02:37.00 | MangosDebian | Thasp: would you like a fork script to test your skullfsckery in linux? :) |
| 02:37.17 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:37.18 | Thasp | I couldn't think of a better word |
| 02:37.25 | merlincorey | heehee |
| 02:37.26 | merlincorey | later |
| 02:37.27 | merlincorey | :) |
| 02:37.29 | Guerin | forkbomb FTW |
| 02:37.33 | merlincorey | keep up the awesomeness Guerin |
| 02:37.35 | merlincorey | ^5 |
| 02:37.36 | premier_ | Hi, I'm installing debian using the installer CD (not the netinstall) and I have a previous version of grub from an ubuntu install on my hard drive... the ubuntu install is now "broken" so I want to replace ubuntu's grub with a new one, but the install grub step of the installer cd keeps failing |
| 02:37.44 | Azar | for the new Debian users: learn Debian package management http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/concise-apt-get-dpkg-primer-for-new.html |
| 02:37.45 | premier_ | there is no error message |
| 02:37.50 | MangosDebian | Guerin: /etc/security/limits.conf pretty much stops that though |
| 02:37.54 | solitude | explain fail Azar |
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| 02:38.03 | Guerin | one day someone will write a forkbomb virus for *n?x just to make sane limits mandatory on all common distros |
| 02:38.07 | blow_fish | what is a good alternative to gimp? |
| 02:38.08 | Guerin | MangosDebian: yes. |
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| 02:38.16 | Guerin | blow_fish: nothing much. |
| 02:38.21 | blow_fish | hmmm |
| 02:38.25 | premier_ | blow_fish: you can try krita |
| 02:38.29 | MangosDebian | Guerin: imho, they should already place saner limits on users |
| 02:38.31 | premier_ | but you won't like it |
| 02:38.33 | blow_fish | is that kde? |
| 02:38.35 | Guerin | MangosDebian: i agree. |
| 02:38.43 | cast | so why doesn't debian? |
| 02:38.46 | Guerin | that said, I ahven't botheres |
| 02:38.47 | Guerin | d |
| 02:38.47 | premier_ | blow_fish: yeah, I'm hoping it gets better... |
| 02:38.57 | blow_fish | i don't use kde stuff |
| 02:39.00 | muhoo | is any one of these packages in lemmy, capable of playing myspace music and/or youtube? swfdec-mozilla, mozilla-plugin-gnash, libflash-mozplugin ? |
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| 02:39.04 | blow_fish | thx for the tip |
| 02:39.09 | premier_ | blow_fish: oh, something against kde? |
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| 02:39.21 | blow_fish | um |
| 02:39.25 | blow_fish | just i like twm |
| 02:39.33 | Guerin | then again, i don't have any users I can't go and stab with pointy things if they fuck anything up, so |
| 02:39.36 | blow_fish | nothing too bias and stuff |
| 02:39.57 | Azar | muhoo: "lemmy" is in fact "lenny" and is not recommended for new users |
| 02:40.04 | Guerin | MangosDebian: one of them supposedly can, bu i've not been able to make them do so. |
| 02:40.10 | muhoo | Azar: i am not a new user :-) |
| 02:40.14 | Guerin | Azar: muhoo isn't really a newbie |
| 02:40.23 | Pencil | !upnp |
| 02:40.28 | cast | muhoo: apparently the latest gnash can pla youtube |
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| 02:40.31 | Azar | muhoo: well at least you are new at spelling :) |
| 02:40.44 | muhoo | no, i used to listen to motorhead |
| 02:40.50 | muhoo | lemmy |
| 02:40.51 | Azar | Pencil: there is no such in Debian linux |
| 02:40.55 | romano2k | hi everyone ! what should i do in order to have a more recent version of the nvidia-glx driver that the one which is in etch ? |
| 02:40.59 | muhoo | lemmy killmister |
| 02:41.01 | romano2k | (beryl compatibility problem) |
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| 02:41.13 | muhoo | heh |
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| 02:41.47 | Azar | romano2k: packages in etch are "frozen" , they never "upgrade" but only to security patches. |
| 02:41.51 | muhoo | latest gnash as in, the one in testing? or latest as in, compile from cvs/svn? |
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| 02:42.01 | maximex | !fr |
| 02:42.01 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:42.10 | romano2k | Azar: so how should i do? :) |
| 02:42.39 | Azar | romano2k: stay with what works, the "newest" packages are buggy and tested in sid and testing... |
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| 02:43.03 | romano2k | Azar: beryl doesn't work with the etch nvidia driver |
| 02:43.08 | Azar | romano2k: you could though, risk and use backports to bring it from the testing.. |
| 02:43.11 | romano2k | i need to upgrade the nvidia driver |
| 02:43.47 | Azar | romano2k: hmmm well beryl is out of my league.. |
| 02:43.56 | blow_fish | how do i grab images off google earth? |
| 02:43.57 | romano2k | Azar, the nvidia installer says: "No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel" |
| 02:44.08 | premier_ | hi, debian installed grub (or thought it did) but I was delivered back to the old ubuntu grub... how do I boot debian? |
| 02:44.10 | premier_ | I have debian |
| 02:44.11 | Azar | !nvidia installer |
| 02:44.11 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia-installer was a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. Ask me about <nvidia-graphics-drivers> instead. |
| 02:44.11 | romano2k | is there a package i could grab to solve this problem? |
| 02:44.28 | maximex | yes |
| 02:44.30 | Azar | romano2k: number 1: never install the nvidia driver from the nvidia site |
| 02:44.39 | MangosDebian | is today nvidia day or something? |
| 02:44.42 | cast | romano2k: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian mentions this issue |
| 02:44.43 | Azar | romano2k: rather.... we do it like this: |
| 02:44.47 | Azar | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:44.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 02:44.50 | maximex | there are problem with nvidia for kernel 2.6.2* |
| 02:44.55 | cast | MangosDebian: everyday is nvidia day! |
| 02:44.59 | premier_ | !grub |
| 02:44.59 | dpkg | methinks grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with XFS, or ask me about <grub dvorak>. |
| 02:45.01 | romano2k | cast: it's exactly the reason why i wan't to upgrade |
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| 02:45.16 | premier_ | !tell me about grub dvorak |
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| 02:45.37 | zinx | premier_: you have to do something stupid, one moment |
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| 02:45.58 | zinx | ah crap, i don't have it anymore |
| 02:46.03 | romano2k | Azar: this will install the etch driver, right? |
| 02:46.14 | Azar | romano2k: yes, and will install it correctly |
| 02:46.14 | MangosDebian | cast: 120 messages with 'nvidia' today alone |
| 02:46.25 | premier_ | zinx: I know dpkg knows, I just can't remember |
| 02:46.25 | zinx | premier_: you basically have to remap all the keys using setkey |
| 02:46.28 | Azar | romano2k: you have to remove the nvidia installer before that |
| 02:46.37 | romano2k | Azar: so it won't solve my beryl compatibility problem |
| 02:46.37 | cast | MangosDebian:did you count the guy called nvidia? |
| 02:46.47 | MangosDebian | cast: no, only messages, not nicks |
| 02:46.56 | premier_ | zinx: oh, dvorak? well, I have bigger issues anyway |
| 02:47.02 | zinx | premier_: ah |
| 02:47.04 | Azar | romano2k: as I told you, I have no idea about beryl, is not a Debian project, never used it |
| 02:47.15 | premier_ | zinx: how do I get dpkg to tell me how to fix my grub? |
| 02:47.25 | romano2k | i should have said : "it won't solve my problem" :) |
| 02:47.53 | romano2k | is there a way with aptitude to check what version is in the testing tree ? |
| 02:47.54 | Azar | romano2k: some packages that are not part of Debian system, might or might not work with debian that's on users' own struggle |
| 02:48.08 | Orion_X11 | romano2k: if you want to upgrade, change your source.list to testing and run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:48.18 | zinx | premier_: it might be easier to tell #debian what your problem is |
| 02:48.19 | MangosDebian | cast: not bad query time though, 2.36 seconds on table with 103k records, and through a view |
| 02:48.27 | zinx | premier_: and see if they can help |
| 02:48.28 | Azar | Orion_X11: don't advise users to move to unstable versions |
| 02:48.35 | premier_ | zinx: I did, no one answer |
| 02:48.45 | romano2k | Orion_X11: i would like to check before upgrading what version of the nvidia driver is in the testing tree |
| 02:48.47 | premier_ | hi, debian installed grub (or thought it did) but I was delivered back to the old ubuntu grub... how do I boot debian? |
| 02:48.51 | romano2k | how oculd i do such a thing? |
| 02:48.53 | Azar | romano2k: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages << search is on the bottom |
| 02:48.57 | Orion_X11 | Azar: He is asking. He deserves an answer :-) |
| 02:49.04 | romano2k | thank you Azar |
| 02:49.45 | Azar | Debian new users: the Lenny (testing) version and Sid (unstable) version are NOT for unexperienced users. They are UNSTABLE |
| 02:49.50 | zinx | premier_: maybe you installed it to the wrong HD? or maybe you installed it to the MBR with ubuntu, but not debian? |
| 02:50.22 | Azar | Orion_X11: so care to mention this before recommending testing |
| 02:50.32 | premier_ | zinx: I just followed the instructions on the installer... and I only have one hard drive |
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| 02:51.10 | Azar | romano2k: |
| 02:51.13 | Azar | !backports |
| 02:51.14 | dpkg | hmm... backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 02:51.27 | maximex | hi |
| 02:51.32 | Orion_X11 | Azar: It is a falacia. Testing is ok. And although it is called testing it does not mean that it has so many bugs as people say and are afraid. |
| 02:51.46 | maximex | it s possible to tar -xvf ***.tar /home/max |
| 02:51.48 | maximex | ? |
| 02:52.05 | maximex | it s possible to tar -xvf http://wwww.com/***.tar /home/max |
| 02:52.11 | maximex | ? :p |
| 02:52.16 | Orion_X11 | Azar: What are you using? Testing or stable? |
| 02:52.17 | Azar | Orion_X11: it is still not officially "ready" for use and not supported for those who don't even know a basic linux administration |
| 02:52.35 | Azar | Orion_X11: I use old-stable and stable |
| 02:53.07 | romano2k | Azar: how to search in a specific tree with aptitude? |
| 02:53.32 | Azar | testing is ok for you and those who know how to edit a sources.list, install, un-install, configure video, sound..etc |
| 02:53.34 | Orion_X11 | Azar: I use testing. And works great here. Have a go then and check it out yourself :-) |
| 02:54.09 | premier_ | okay, I have debian on sda3... its all ready to go, except I have a grub thats configured to boot ubuntu on sda1, and no grub to boot debian. All I need to know is, how do I get debian booted? from there a |
| 02:54.14 | Azar | romano2k: while your sources are pointing to "stable" archive, you will only get packages from "that" archive aka stable with : apt-cach search <packagename> |
| 02:54.25 | Orion_X11 | Azar: In reality I use a mixed up system. Testing and Unstable |
| 02:54.28 | premier_ | from there I can reinstall grub or whatever, just how do I get debian booted? |
| 02:54.34 | Azar | Orion_X11: stop umfing like a turkey, you are NOT a beginner |
| 02:55.08 | romano2k | Azar: do you mean i AM a beginner? :) |
| 02:55.17 | sn0 | niyr |
| 02:55.19 | sn0 | nite* |
| 02:55.23 | Azar | romano2k: I was telling that to Orion_X11 |
| 02:55.40 | Azar | ok solved now |
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| 02:56.10 | Azar | romano2k: scroll to the bottom of that page and do a "search" by changing versions |
| 02:56.17 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 02:56.37 | Azar | Distribution: stable / testing / unstable |
| 02:56.56 | lunarvalleys | hi, does anybody know if there is an official "checkinstall" package for debian etch? |
| 02:57.28 | romano2k | Azar: it seems that there is no nvidia-glx package in the testing tree, am i wrong? |
| 02:57.48 | Azar | romano2k: it might be, in testing packages are being added, removed, added back... |
| 02:57.53 | Orion_X11 | Azar: Everybody was a beginner. But, it does not need to be an eternal beginner. People have to learn. I do not like to stress that people have to be beginners. But, I will shout my mouth on this subject now. |
| 02:58.02 | Azar | oi |
| 02:58.08 | romano2k | :) |
| 02:58.19 | Azar | romano2k: nvidia-glx is not in Debian because it is a proprietary blob |
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| 02:58.46 | romano2k | Azar: it's in stable. |
| 02:58.54 | romano2k | not in testing :) |
| 02:59.02 | Azar | hmmm ok :) |
| 02:59.32 | Azar | romano2k: if you add "non-free contrib" to the end of each of your sources in the sources.list you are ready to do the nvidia one-liner |
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| 02:59.52 | romano2k | i'm sorry, my english is not that good |
| 03:00.03 | romano2k | i didn't understood what you wanted to tell me |
| 03:00.10 | Azar | romano2k: you mean you did not understand? |
| 03:00.14 | romano2k | yes |
| 03:00.16 | Azar | ok |
| 03:00.25 | romano2k | make it simpler :p |
| 03:00.35 | Azar | you can use : less /etc/apt/sources.list to view your sources |
| 03:00.37 | romano2k | i have "non-free contrib" in my sources |
| 03:00.42 | Azar | ok |
| 03:01.00 | Azar | then after you remove that nvidia installer you downloaded and installed (is not good) |
| 03:01.01 | maximex | is possible to split a .tar ? :p |
| 03:01.11 | romano2k | yes... |
| 03:01.14 | maximex | how ? |
| 03:01.17 | romano2k | for now i understand :p |
| 03:01.25 | romano2k | sorry maximex, the answer wasn't for you |
| 03:01.26 | Azar | romano2k: you can perform the one looongg command from dpkg shown here |
| 03:01.30 | Azar | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:01.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 03:01.31 | maximex | k |
| 03:01.46 | romano2k | okay Azar ! |
| 03:01.53 | maximex | it s possible to split a .tar ? ;) |
| 03:01.59 | Azar | maximex: holdon |
| 03:02.15 | Orion_X11 | maximex: What do you mean by split? |
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| 03:02.24 | maximex | i have tar 10 go |
| 03:02.31 | maximex | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.35 | Azar | maximex: look through the chapters on this page I cant remember exactly but I saw something |
| 03:02.38 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html |
| 03:02.39 | premier_ | does anybody here know how the debian install cd installs grub? what command does it run? |
| 03:03.20 | Azar | maximex: chap 4.7.4 down... but is about gzip |
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| 03:04.39 | Orion_X11 | premier_: if you want to (re)install grub use the rescue mode. When it boot up, write rescue and follow up to install grub |
| 03:05.01 | Internat | can anyone telle mw how i stop amavisd banning file attachments with specific extentions? |
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| 03:06.34 | cafuego | Remove the extensions in question from the amavisd.conf banned extensions list |
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| 03:12.39 | premier_ | how do i add a user to a grub (ie, add my user to sudoers)? |
| 03:12.48 | premier_ | a group, not grub, sorry |
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| 03:13.35 | cast | !group |
| 03:13.35 | dpkg | adduser <USER> <GROUP>; read the adduser man page. |
| 03:14.06 | premier_ | how do I list all the groups? |
| 03:14.25 | cast | cat /etc/group is one way |
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| 03:15.10 | metbsd | i need help about openwebmail on debian |
| 03:15.20 | metbsd | can i ask question here |
| 03:15.23 | premier_ | !sudo |
| 03:15.23 | dpkg | methinks sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
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| 03:16.00 | premier_ | man, dpkg gives bad adivce |
| 03:16.10 | Internat | cafuego: what if i want to stop it c hecking completelyu? |
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| 03:16.43 | metbsd | Undefined subroutine &ow::htmltext::str2html called at /usr/lib/cgi-bin/openwebmail/shares/ow-shared.pl line 1286 |
| 03:17.33 | pbts | could someone help me set up apache2 + php4 please? I've installed them and haven't touched anything else. index.php in the /var/www/apache2-default directory keeps getting served as a un-interpreted text file, unfortunately |
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| 03:17.36 | pbts | what am I missing? |
| 03:20.23 | pbts | all of the docs I've found so far imply that by simply installing apache2 and libapache2-mod-php4, everything should "just work" |
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| 03:22.12 | dondelelcaro | pbts: is the php4 module loaded? |
| 03:22.26 | dondelelcaro | pbts: have you restarted your browser? |
| 03:22.35 | pbts | restarted the browser?! |
| 03:23.01 | pbts | i (fortuantely) very rarely admin apache: how to tell if the php4 module is loaded? |
| 03:23.15 | dondelelcaro | pbts: HEAD http://localhost; will tell you |
| 03:23.56 | dondelelcaro | pbts: or wget -S -O /dev/null http://localhost; if you don't have libwww-perl installed. |
| 03:24.29 | dondelelcaro | !+php wants me to download still |
| 03:24.29 | dpkg | if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, clear your browser cache, and restart your browser. |
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| 03:25.21 | pbts | ah! official documentation! I'll look there |
| 03:25.37 | pbts | that's what I was really looking for. thanks for the pointer. |
| 03:26.03 | pbts | I'm a big nerd, but I expect to be able to google "debian setup apache php4" and get a useful answer. So much for internet power! |
| 03:26.37 | dondelelcaro | yeah, pretty much every package you'd think about installing either just works, or has the right documentation in /usr/share/doc/foopkg/README.Debian |
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| 03:26.59 | dondelelcaro | it's often more accurate than whatever mailing lists or wikis or blogs google has indiced. |
| 03:27.13 | pbts | will keep that in mind. thanks. |
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| 03:31.36 | Rune- | sun-java5-jre |
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| 03:37.18 | stray_ | i usually mount drives in /mnt fwiw.. |
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| 03:47.06 | pbts | blarg. now I've read the docs but have not been further enlightened |
| 03:47.28 | pbts | to recap, apache is asking me to download php files instead of interpreting them |
| 03:48.08 | pbts | new evidence: HEAD http://localhost doesn't mention php modules, but /etc/apache2/mods-* both have load directives for php4 |
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| 03:49.29 | ricky | pbts: Is the proper AddHandler in the relevant conf? |
| 03:49.59 | ricky | php? |
| 03:51.01 | pbts | indeed there is not |
| 03:51.01 | ricky | Woah,fajita isn't around :( |
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| 03:51.14 | ricky | Wait- wrong channel? Gar. |
| 03:51.27 | ricky | (I assumed I was in #apache when I saw that question) |
| 03:52.34 | pbts | ricky: there's no AddHandler in /etc/apache2/* /etc/apache/* for php |
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| 03:55.24 | Gigantic | *boom! |
| 03:55.32 | ricky | Oop, apparently, the default config uses AddType, which "works," but isn't the *correct* way to do it. |
| 03:55.58 | pbts | oh. checking for AddType then. THanks for your help; this is very frustrating. I expected it to "just work" |
| 03:56.17 | ricky | It "just worked" for me, apparently. |
| 03:56.32 | ricky | I assume you already restarted apache after enabling that stuff, of course. |
| 03:56.37 | pbts | yes |
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| 03:57.07 | pbts | AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .pht.ml .php3ml .php3 <--- don't need php4 do I? |
| 03:57.43 | ricky | Unless you're planning on using that extension. |
| 03:57.49 | ricky | Change AddType to AddHandler. |
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| 04:00.52 | pbts | still the same: wants me to download the file |
| 04:02.43 | pbts | dondelelcaro: using HEAD or wget doesn't reveal anything about any modules. What's up with that? |
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| 04:03.07 | ricky | Are you sure that the relevant files are being included? |
| 04:03.14 | ricky | Do the logs contain anything interesting? |
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| 04:05.55 | pbts | logs say nothing interesting at all. ABout relevant include files, really all I've done is 'aptitude install gallery2 wordpress' and figured it'd just work out |
| 04:06.07 | pbts | so I don't know if all there relevant include files are sucked in :( |
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| 04:09.23 | pbts | why are both apache and apache2 installed? |
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| 04:10.17 | pbts | wait apache2 is not installed as a package. But there are conf files under /etc/apche2 |
| 04:10.42 | ricky | Strange- try removing apache 1.x and installing apache2 |
| 04:10.54 | ricky | The conf files might have stayed there from a previous install, I guess. |
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| 04:11.06 | ricky | But that explains it- they weren't even being read :) |
| 04:11.25 | pbts | what's *very* strange is that I began the odessey with 'aptitude purge {everything apache and php}' |
| 04:14.13 | ricky | Weird. |
| 04:14.18 | pbts | I think there must be some strange debian-ism going on. I've removed apache and installed apache2. Now there isn't a web server running at all (after starting apache2) |
| 04:14.35 | cast | why is firehol in debian-volatile? its not exactly a fast moving pkg |
| 04:14.48 | ricky | Did you get any errors on starting it? |
| 04:14.55 | ricky | Do the logs give the customary success message? |
| 04:15.44 | pbts | everything in /var/log/apache2 is empty. |
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| 04:15.53 | pbts | ricky do you have package apache or package apache2 installed? |
| 04:16.08 | ricky | apache2. |
| 04:16.32 | pbts | using etch? |
| 04:17.00 | ricky | Lenny, but it should definitely work in etch without problems. |
| 04:17.02 | pbts | dpkg -L apache2 is totally empty, except for some documentation |
| 04:17.02 | dpkg | No packages found matching apache2 is totally empty, except for some documentation |
| 04:17.11 | pbts | (oops) |
| 04:17.56 | pbts | well I'm stumped. |
| 04:17.58 | ricky | That's probably a metapackage (if that's the right term) |
| 04:18.02 | ricky | Or dummy package, possibly? |
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| 04:18.58 | pbts | please help us, oh you knowledgeable Debian folk! What packages need to be installed to get apache+php4 to work? |
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| 04:19.56 | ricky | pbts: apache2 and libapache2-mod-php4 did it for me. |
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| 04:20.51 | Pencil | hey |
| 04:21.09 | Pencil | how do i configure my ftp users so that they cant see stuff like /etc/ and /usr? |
| 04:21.24 | pbts | getting closer. I just 'aptitude reinstall {what ricky said}' and was told my apache2 conf is broken |
| 04:22.28 | ricky | Hm, perhaps purge apache2 first? |
| 04:23.03 | pbts | Your apache2 configuration is broken, so we're not restarting it for you. |
| 04:23.07 | pbts | crap in a hat. |
| 04:23.35 | ricky | Actually, check the logs now :) |
| 04:24.18 | streuner_ | cafuego: "sneezing fi"? |
| 04:24.32 | pbts | logs are still empty. Now I'm going to purge everything related to apache, everywhere |
| 04:24.58 | hollywoodb | Pencil: read about chroot jail |
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| 04:25.03 | Pencil | chroto jail gotcha |
| 04:25.04 | cafuego | streuner_: you forgot the ; before 'fi'. |
| 04:25.05 | Pencil | !chroot jail |
| 04:25.26 | streuner_ | oh, got it :-) |
| 04:25.47 | streuner_ | Pencil: /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 04:26.06 | streuner_ | Pencil: /msg listvals (listkeys) <search-string> |
| 04:26.11 | Pencil | hm? |
| 04:26.14 | Pencil | i cant find anything on chroot jail |
| 04:26.21 | streuner_ | !listkeys chroot |
| 04:26.22 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'chroot' by key (15 of 20): #debian chroot ;; #debian chroot install ;; #debian ssh chroot ;; 32-bit chroot ;; _default chroot howto ;; _default chroot install ;; _default ssh chroot ;; bind9 chroot ;; chroot howto ;; chroot install ;; chroot ssh ;; chrooted base ;; postfix chroots ;; remote chroot install ;; ssh chroot. |
| 04:27.15 | Nyle | I ditched the kubuntu crap |
| 04:27.27 | streuner_ | fine :-) |
| 04:27.36 | Nyle | I gave it a shot you know, used it for a few weeks |
| 04:27.41 | Nyle | I didn't care much for it |
| 04:27.48 | Pencil | i cant find anything on limiting the view for my users |
| 04:27.52 | cast | Pencil: isn't that an option in vsftpds conf? |
| 04:28.04 | Nyle | debian etch amd64 is blazing fast on core 2 duo 3.5ghz and very stable |
| 04:28.10 | Nyle | good stuff man |
| 04:28.15 | Nyle | ubuntu was very slow for me too |
| 04:28.20 | Pencil | let me check |
| 04:28.37 | cast | though, it seems, vsftpd folk don't think chroot is the most secure thing to do |
| 04:29.04 | cafuego | they would be right |
| 04:29.24 | Pencil | chroot_local_user=YES |
| 04:29.25 | Pencil | found it |
| 04:29.46 | cast | i can see how it can give you the illusion of security, but i don't know how it can make you worse off |
| 04:30.17 | Pencil | /etc/vsftpd.chroot_list |
| 04:30.23 | Pencil | do i have to make that myself? |
| 04:31.44 | cast | i think you should read the vsftpd documentation |
| 04:31.45 | lekvar | Howcome the installer makes you use ext3 if you use it to set up lvm? |
| 04:32.12 | cast | lekvar: it does? that sucks :\ |
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| 04:32.36 | Pencil | well that didnt workout well |
| 04:32.36 | Pencil | lol |
| 04:32.43 | Pencil | i can still see sbin and stuff the folders |
| 04:32.45 | Pencil | whe ni hit back |
| 04:35.20 | Pencil | fixed |
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| 04:42.46 | pbts | bah. after iinstalling, reinstlaling, purging, repurging, and getting very frustrated: php finally works |
| 04:42.48 | pbts | thanks ricky |
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| 04:47.41 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 04:47.41 | dpkg | i heard qotd99 is <t-jack> I have a 17-inch dysfunctional $Piece_Of_Hardware... |
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| 04:52.40 | streuner_ | hehe |
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| 04:54.47 | Pencil | anyone here nkow how to uninstall thinkpad? |
| 04:56.08 | cast | i don't understand the question. |
| 04:56.17 | lekvar | Hmm, all the filesystem comparison articles are leaving out a very important factor - which ones sound the coolest. |
| 04:56.28 | cast | lekvar: ZFS! |
| 04:56.46 | cast | lekvar: it is clearly the final say in filesystems, as an alphabetical listing will prove |
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| 04:57.01 | lekvar | cast - that must be why it's being ported last too |
| 04:57.17 | Azar | aww.. honorables liable and streuner taking the saturday night shift!! |
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| 04:57.48 | cast | lekvar: i think it just doesn't fit into linux's VFS model...or something. i don't know. |
| 04:58.13 | lekvar | it's probably a legal issue |
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| 05:00.09 | Azar | you know... I am waiting to move to Debian Hurd .... |
| 05:00.15 | Azar | sick n tired of linux kernels |
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| 05:00.57 | lekvar | all they need to do is finish coyotos |
| 05:01.43 | simonrvn | not going to be any different Azar - they have kernels too ;) |
| 05:03.09 | Nyle | hey yo |
| 05:03.22 | Nyle | man amd64 is pretty sweet |
| 05:03.32 | lekvar | I think I'll use reiser for my chroot jail. Hans is probably in jail so it stands to reason it'll be well designed for that. |
| 05:03.33 | Nyle | its really really really fast!! |
| 05:03.47 | cast | Azar: you mean linux? :) [rather than linux kernels, which is redundant] |
| 05:03.51 | MangosDebian | someone please /msg chanserv access #debian add simonrvn 10 |
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| 05:04.33 | bullgard4 | My computer has 40 files containing in their filenames the string 'hwmon'. Can one explain to me the concept of 'hwmon'? I found "hwmon.c - part of lm_sensors, Linux kernel modules for hardware monitoring." But I still do not understand what 'hwmon' is. |
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| 05:04.58 | MangosDebian | lekvar: word on the street is resiserfs has killer performance :) (I wish I could claim that quote myself) |
| 05:06.18 | Azar | cast: GNU/HURD .. |
| 05:06.43 | cast | Azar: GNU/kFreeBSD is quite usable, btw |
| 05:06.55 | Azar | cast: don't like BSD |
| 05:07.14 | cast | Azar: since fbsd7.0 has zfs support, i might start using it then |
| 05:07.20 | cast | Azar: and why not? |
| 05:08.57 | Nyle | !zfs |
| 05:08.57 | dpkg | hmm... zfs is http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS or http://www.wizy.org/wiki/ZFS_on_FUSE |
| 05:09.30 | cast | or if nexenta gets merged into debian, don't know how likely that is, but it would be nice :) |
| 05:09.50 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: how long you been coming here now? like a decade almost? |
| 05:10.02 | lekvar | hm. xfs seems a little noisier than ext3. |
| 05:10.29 | MangosDebian | lekvar: your fs makes sounds? :) |
| 05:10.55 | lekvar | i got a nonquiet drive specifically so i could hear what my machine is up to |
| 05:10.58 | Nyle | simonrvn: i am hungry |
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| 05:11.08 | simonrvn | i just ate |
| 05:11.16 | simonrvn | so go eat fuck |
| 05:11.33 | Nyle | its not that easy |
| 05:11.39 | Nyle | nobody cooked nothing today |
| 05:11.50 | Nyle | I'll have to cook or go out :( |
| 05:12.13 | MangosDebian | Nyle: pizza |
| 05:12.40 | Nyle | but I Want real food |
| 05:12.43 | Azar | hey hurd looks very interesting.. :) |
| 05:12.55 | Azar | food! mannnn!! I forgot to eat |
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| 05:15.45 | asarch | Hi everyone, how is it getting along? |
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| 05:15.50 | asarch | How's the weather? |
| 05:15.57 | jdhore | Has the new 2.6.21-6 kernel that migrated into lenny today fixed the problem with installing the Nvidia drivers? |
| 05:15.59 | asarch | How can I know which sound system am I using, oss or alsa? (Is it correct the question?) |
| 05:16.51 | patrakov | hello, what do I need in order to recreate the contents of http://people.debian.org/~aba/d-i/images/20070513-22:50/hd-media/ from udebs using my local debian mirror? I.e., which command created http://people.debian.org/~aba/d-i/images/20070513-22:50/build_hd-media.log? |
| 05:17.08 | patrakov | asarch: it is a correct question |
| 05:17.14 | cahoot | asarch, run aplay some wav - if no error you run alsa |
| 05:17.37 | asarch | Thanks guys |
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| 05:17.59 | asarch | Have a nice day and happy hacking!!! |
| 05:18.02 | patrakov | asarch: but it has two forms: 1) does the kernel use ALSA or OSS? (see answer above) and 2) does a particular app use ALSA or its OSS emulation |
| 05:18.13 | asarch | ? |
| 05:18.22 | asarch | I... don't know |
| 05:18.50 | asarch | I already issue an ps -A | grep alsa and a ps -A | grep oss and both of them returns nothing |
| 05:18.53 | patrakov | for (2) you can get the answer using "fuser -v /dev/dsp /dev/mixer" - if you get no output, all your apps use alsa natively |
| 05:19.06 | cahoot | at least all running apps |
| 05:19.14 | asarch | By the way, I am currently using Etch |
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| 05:20.03 | cahoot | asarch, etch defaults to alsa |
| 05:20.35 | patrakov | ... but etch doesn't configure sound-producing packages to use alsa natively. Example: openal |
| 05:20.40 | JeffH | Is there anyway to setup a directory such that when a file is created inside the directory the file has certain permissions and a particular group? |
| 05:20.57 | patrakov | make the directory setgid |
| 05:21.18 | MangosDebian | JeffH: g+s ? |
| 05:21.23 | JeffH | for example, if someone with permission writes into /backup I want any file created to have a group of backup and be group writeable. |
| 05:21.33 | asarch | JeffH: Changes your settings from ~/.bashrc, check man bash for more info |
| 05:22.21 | jdhore | Has the new 2.6.21-6 kernel that migrated into lenny today fixed the problem with installing the Nvidia drivers? |
| 05:22.31 | JeffH | MangosDebian: what does g+s do Take the directory's group? |
| 05:22.39 | MangosDebian | JeffH: yes |
| 05:23.23 | JeffH | I'll have to see if I can pass that in the 'tar' command line.. thanks. |
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| 05:24.39 | justvisiting | !nvidia |
| 05:24.40 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 05:25.11 | asarch | cahoot: mpg123 -w - "Robert Miles - Children.mp3" | aplay - works |
| 05:25.17 | asarch | Thanks guys!!! |
| 05:25.46 | liable | i like that old track |
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| 05:25.59 | asarch | Thanks patrakov |
| 05:26.08 | asarch | See you later! |
| 05:26.33 | JeffH | is there a way to set g+s with umask? |
| 05:26.39 | patrakov | no |
| 05:26.54 | asarch | Operator: get me out! |
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| 05:26.58 | asarch | ... |
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| 05:27.08 | patrakov | chmod g+s /backups - and all subdirectories will be created g+s by default |
| 05:28.04 | \amethyst | JeffH: if you want to set default permissions for contained files, you'll have to look into ACLs |
| 05:28.12 | \amethyst | JeffH: but they're a little complicated to use |
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| 05:28.32 | MangosDebian | i think he's already into complicated territory |
| 05:29.14 | JeffH | patrakov: It's not directories I'm concerned about.. it's files within a directory. |
| 05:29.34 | MangosDebian | JeffH: well, its a bit of a kludge, but you could use samba |
| 05:30.17 | patrakov | files need not be g+s. They will be created with the same group as the parent directory if the directory is g+s |
| 05:30.25 | JeffH | MangosDebian: funny you say that.. my /backup IS a samba share.. but it's native to my Linux box and shared out to other machines. |
| 05:30.41 | patrakov | as for "group-writable by default", that's the umask thingy in your .bash_profile |
| 05:31.04 | bullgard4 | My computer has 40 files containing in their filenames the string 'hwmon'. Can one explain to me the concept of 'hwmon'? I found "hwmon.c - part of lm_sensors, Linux kernel modules for hardware monitoring." But I still do not understand what 'hwmon' is. |
| 05:31.09 | MangosDebian | JeffH: well, if its a samba share you can do all sorts of file permission and forced group voodoo |
| 05:31.54 | justvisiting | hey, why does my apt-get update fail when trying to fetch stuff off servers? |
| 05:32.10 | patrakov | JeffH: MangosDebian's advice is valid only if you have write access to samba server configuration |
| 05:32.18 | JeffH | MangosDebian: I know.. from the client I can.. but I have a task that is putting data on the partition on the native fs.. so samba isn't involved at that point. |
| 05:32.20 | MangosDebian | bullgard4: you installed 40 files containing "hwmon" in their filenames without knowing why? |
| 05:32.38 | JeffH | patrakov: its my own linux box.. so yeah I do. |
| 05:32.56 | bullgard4 | MangosDebian: Not directly. The operationg system did install them. |
| 05:33.04 | justvisiting | e.g. http://ftp.nz.debian.org/dists/etch/nonfree/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 05:33.04 | MangosDebian | JeffH: could smbmount it for each local user so the modes are honoured? |
| 05:33.17 | JeffH | can I access a samba share from Linux without mounting it? |
| 05:33.20 | MangosDebian | bullgard4: but why did you tell the os to? |
| 05:33.31 | patrakov | So let's try the g+s solution forst - can you do this now? chgrp operators /backups && chown g+s /backups. Then try to create files and dirs there, and report what's wrong. |
| 05:33.52 | patrakov | ignore samba for now |
| 05:34.04 | solitude | hmm |
| 05:34.04 | solitude | MangosDebian, got a moment? |
| 05:34.07 | bullgard4 | MangosDebian: I installed the operating system. The operating system installed those 40 files. |
| 05:34.21 | MangosDebian | solitude: in the channel sure :) |
| 05:34.27 | solitude | I used startx & to open X with xfce, is there a command can do from ctfl=alt-f1 to open gvim in the existing x session? |
| 05:34.51 | patrakov | yes, DISPLAY=:0 gvim & |
| 05:34.55 | MangosDebian | ^^^ |
| 05:35.05 | patrakov | or press Alt+F2 in xfce and type "gvim" there |
| 05:35.15 | \amethyst | JeffH: You want to set a directory so that files in it are a certain mode? then you can do setfacl -d -m user::r-x,group::r-x,other::--- directory |
| 05:35.28 | solitude | thanks |
| 05:36.04 | solitude | leet |
| 05:36.07 | solitude | the 1st is what i wanted. |
| 05:36.45 | JeffH | well, the g+s gives the file the right group.. I can modify umask in my script then return it to the proper value. |
| 05:36.48 | deadcat | i am trying to use moto4lin with my razr v3, but i dont see the device in /dev. |
| 05:36.56 | JeffH | thanks. |
| 05:37.18 | patrakov | deadcat: what is razr v3? |
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| 05:37.24 | deadcat | patrakov: its a cellphone |
| 05:37.38 | patrakov | deadcat: is it connected via USB? |
| 05:37.43 | deadcat | patrakov: ya |
| 05:37.45 | Szeraax | can someone do me a huge favor and pastebin thier menu.lst for thier grub? |
| 05:38.04 | patrakov | deadcat: then it is either /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 05:38.04 | MangosDebian | Szeraax: grub-install? |
| 05:38.13 | liable | see what dmesg said |
| 05:38.14 | Szeraax | no, your menu.lst |
| 05:38.21 | MangosDebian | or was it update-grub? well, one of them makes it for you |
| 05:38.30 | Szeraax | no, i cant run that stuff |
| 05:38.45 | deadcat | patrakov: it should be ACM0 but i dont see it. lsusb shows the motorola device |
| 05:38.46 | MangosDebian | Szeraax: then why do you need a menu.lst? |
| 05:38.46 | Szeraax | i have a cdless, floppyless, lappy |
| 05:38.57 | Szeraax | using windows to install grub right now |
| 05:38.57 | patrakov | deadcat: modprobe cdc-acm |
| 05:38.59 | Szeraax | then linux |
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| 05:39.02 | deadcat | patrakov: ah |
| 05:39.10 | deadcat | patrakov: maybe my kernel dont have cdc-acm |
| 05:39.13 | Szeraax | i cant get it to work |
| 05:39.21 | Szeraax | i jsut need an example menu.lst |
| 05:39.25 | deadcat | patrakov: oh i do. let me try again (= |
| 05:39.34 | MangosDebian | Szeraax: just get grub boooting, manually boot debian then run update-grub |
| 05:39.43 | Szeraax | i cant boot debian |
| 05:39.50 | Szeraax | i dont have lin on the com yet |
| 05:39.55 | Szeraax | comp* |
| 05:40.06 | MangosDebian | Szeraax: then why do you need a grub menu? |
| 05:40.07 | Szeraax | i have grub |
| 05:40.10 | Szeraax | by itself |
| 05:40.17 | MangosDebian | then use it, by iteself |
| 05:40.23 | Szeraax | completely |
| 05:40.26 | MangosDebian | you dont need a menu if grub loads |
| 05:40.32 | deadcat | patrakov: nice i have /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 05:40.40 | Szeraax | i dont know how to use the bash very well |
| 05:40.49 | patrakov | grub is not bash |
| 05:40.55 | MangosDebian | Szeraax: ^^^ |
| 05:40.57 | Szeraax | ok, the bsah like |
| 05:41.07 | Szeraax | bash like terminal |
| 05:41.21 | MangosDebian | guess you're gonna learn then aren't ya :) |
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| 05:41.34 | Szeraax | MangosDebian: will you please just pastebin your menu? |
| 05:41.48 | MangosDebian | Szeraax: nah, i think you would be better off learning grub syntax |
| 05:41.50 | simonrvn | grub is a bootloader. bash is a shell. big difference. except grub has readline too, but that's beside the point. |
| 05:41.59 | patrakov | Szeraax: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/chapter08/grub.html - note that you have to add an initrd, too, for Debian |
| 05:42.16 | simonrvn | bash can run in a terminal, or not. |
| 05:42.28 | MangosDebian | Szeraax: so, how do you plan on installing debian from windows is my question |
| 05:42.45 | MangosDebian | (these are always good) |
| 05:43.13 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: where are the 100's? :) |
| 05:43.22 | MangosDebian | your being easy on him |
| 05:43.34 | Szeraax | MangosDebian: ah, the tricky one |
| 05:43.42 | Szeraax | well, once i get grub working |
| 05:43.51 | Szeraax | i will copy the iso to hdd |
| 05:43.55 | Szeraax | then boot to iso |
| 05:43.59 | Szeraax | and run from there |
| 05:44.25 | MangosDebian | wow, you can figure all that out, but you get stuck on teH itty bitty lil' grub? awwww, pumpkin |
| 05:44.34 | Szeraax | MangosDebian: lol |
| 05:44.36 | MangosDebian | !comfort Szeraax |
| 05:44.36 | dpkg | There, there, Szeraax. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 05:45.36 | solitude | haha |
| 05:46.09 | solitude | Best learning experinces Iiiiii've had were slackware + slackbook and gentoo stage 1 + gentoo manual |
| 05:46.30 | solitude | teaces you all the fundamentals |
| 05:46.32 | MangosDebian | gentoo is cool to learn. good general experience imho |
| 05:46.42 | MangosDebian | _respect_ |
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| 05:46.53 | Gge | Hi , I am looking for doc to upgrade etch to testing but I am lost in the debian site , Can somebody give a good link to a doc on the debian site to prepare this migarion ( apt.sources list etc .. ? |
| 05:47.04 | solitude | yup |
| 05:47.33 | liable | !release notes |
| 05:47.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes |
| 05:47.41 | liable | Gge: ^^ |
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| 05:48.14 | Gge | thx , i'll have a lok |
| 05:48.34 | ShadowBearer | heya all i am having a problem, small but annoying there is a 1/2 second lag on the sound |
| 05:48.57 | Guerin | ShadowBearer: kde? |
| 05:49.04 | ShadowBearer | gnome |
| 05:49.08 | Guerin | ShadowBearer: disable esd |
| 05:49.12 | ShadowBearer | ok |
| 05:49.31 | ShadowBearer | er how? (new to 'nix) |
| 05:49.44 | Guerin | ShadowBearer: gnome-control-center might do it |
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| 05:50.07 | ShadowBearer | ok i assumed it would be in terminal ill have a look |
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| 05:50.18 | Guerin | nothing gnome is in terminal |
| 05:50.28 | ShadowBearer | its not enabled |
| 05:50.53 | ShadowBearer | anything else that could cause it? |
| 05:51.32 | Guerin | any kde programs running? |
| 05:51.36 | patrakov | which application is laggy? |
| 05:51.39 | Guerin | arts is the most common culprit for that |
| 05:51.45 | ShadowBearer | atm its gaim |
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| 05:52.12 | ShadowBearer | the one that comes with the netinst disk |
| 05:52.15 | patrakov | ahat is the sound output method in GAIM's preferences? |
| 05:52.24 | ShadowBearer | ill check |
| 05:52.28 | patrakov | what* |
| 05:52.46 | ShadowBearer | automatic |
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| 05:53.17 | patrakov | what else is available? |
| 05:53.17 | ShadowBearer | lemme chack |
| 05:53.21 | solitude | does the package vim-latexsuite integrate to gvim too? |
| 05:53.26 | ShadowBearer | esd command and consol beep |
| 05:53.58 | ShadowBearer | *console |
| 05:54.12 | patrakov | does "esdplay somefile.wav" lag too? |
| 05:54.13 | ShadowBearer | solitude: huh? |
| 05:54.32 | patrakov | solitude: probably - why not try it? |
| 05:54.38 | ShadowBearer | patrakov: what is that? |
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| 05:55.11 | solitude | patrakov, it doesnt seem to :S |
| 05:55.17 | solitude | no latex syntax highlighting |
| 05:55.29 | patrakov | solitude: :syntax on |
| 05:55.38 | solitude | did that :p |
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| 05:55.58 | ShadowBearer | "(15:54:12) patrakov: does "esdplay somefile.wav" lag too?" what is that? |
| 05:56.18 | cahoot | lag in relation to what? |
| 05:56.20 | patrakov | esdplay is a command that plays a sound file through esd |
| 05:56.25 | solitude | also, latex isnt listed in the menu |
| 05:56.32 | ShadowBearer | sound lags 1/2 second |
| 05:56.44 | ShadowBearer | ok uhh ill find a soundfile |
| 05:57.11 | patrakov | (note: I have no esd here - so my suggestions are just guesses) |
| 05:57.17 | ShadowBearer | ok |
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| 05:57.59 | ShadowBearer | will an mp3 work for this? |
| 05:58.04 | patrakov | you may also want to install libesd-alsa0 - this will use alsa natively instead of oss, and thus may change latency |
| 05:58.07 | patrakov | no |
| 05:58.22 | ShadowBearer | ok apt-get? |
| 05:58.26 | Jubeiii | Hi, I recently installed Debian, and my sources.list file is all .de. country code, german i believe, is this right? |
| 05:58.26 | patrakov | yes |
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| 05:58.46 | patrakov | Jubeiii: yes, .de mirror is fast |
| 05:59.14 | ShadowBearer | ok its retrieving |
| 05:59.38 | ShadowBearer | ok its done now what? |
| 05:59.43 | Jubeiii | patrakov: ok so im fine with that list as far as english packages then... I just thoguht i needed .us. if i was in N America |
| 05:59.52 | ShadowBearer | uh no sound now... |
| 06:00.16 | Guerin | esd bad |
| 06:00.18 | Guerin | disable it |
| 06:00.20 | Guerin | all of it |
| 06:00.20 | ShadowBearer | it is |
| 06:00.21 | JeffH | what's a good, simple ntp client to use? |
| 06:00.28 | Guerin | JeffH: ntpdate |
| 06:00.34 | ShadowBearer | well all of it that i know of anyways |
| 06:00.45 | ShadowBearer | but my sound is completly dead now v.v |
| 06:01.09 | patrakov | ShadowBearer: then install libesd0 |
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| 06:01.20 | ShadowBearer | ok |
| 06:01.23 | patrakov | (joke - you have a mistake somewhere else) |
| 06:01.29 | ShadowBearer | oh ok |
| 06:01.35 | ShadowBearer | wait sound is back |
| 06:01.35 | patrakov | does "aplay file.wav" work? |
| 06:01.50 | ShadowBearer | i don't know where a .wav is v.v |
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| 06:02.11 | cahoot | in /usr/share/sounds |
| 06:02.14 | patrakov | you can use mpg321 to produce a wav from mp3, read the manual page |
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| 06:02.25 | ShadowBearer | oki |
| 06:03.53 | ShadowBearer | command not found |
| 06:04.00 | patrakov | which command? |
| 06:04.04 | ShadowBearer | esdplay |
| 06:05.00 | ShadowBearer | test |
| 06:05.00 | patrakov | then gaim doesn't use esound directly |
| 06:05.04 | ShadowBearer | ok |
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| 06:05.23 | ShadowBearer | hmm |
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| 06:05.34 | patrakov | it uses a fallback that is present in the library: if can't connact to a sound server, use alsa directly |
| 06:05.34 | ShadowBearer | ah its fixed now no lag |
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| 06:05.55 | patrakov | so it was an "alsa vs oss" issue |
| 06:06.01 | ShadowBearer | oh ok |
| 06:06.12 | Szeraax | so can someone who is using grub do me a HUGE favor and pastebin their /boot/grub/menu.lst file? i dont care if you change what the titles of stuff is even... :P |
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| 06:06.30 | patrakov | Szeraax: use menu.lst from http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/chapter08/grub.html |
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| 06:06.59 | patrakov | the thingy between cat ... and EOF |
| 06:06.59 | ShadowBearer | ok thanks cya |
| 06:07.14 | ShadowBearer | hmm a little glitchy with 2 sounds playing... |
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| 06:07.31 | ShadowBearer | (when the program calls one befgore another finishes) |
| 06:07.32 | Szeraax | patrakov: that one wouldnt work for deb though... |
| 06:07.44 | patrakov | it would |
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| 06:08.00 | patrakov | just use the correct filenames |
| 06:08.09 | ShadowBearer | what exactly is pastebin? |
| 06:08.12 | Guerin | no |
| 06:08.16 | Guerin | that's stupid |
| 06:08.26 | patrakov | ShadowBearer: http://pastebin.com/ |
| 06:08.31 | Guerin | Szeraax: run update-grub and it'll generate you one automagically |
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| 06:09.06 | Szeraax | i dont have linux installed on it yet |
| 06:09.09 | patrakov | Guerin: you haven't read the history. Szeraax doesn't have Debian installed yet, he has only Windows and wants to install Debian from Windows using hd-media |
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| 06:09.17 | Guerin | graah |
| 06:09.27 | Guerin | estupidos |
| 06:09.28 | patrakov | (and to his dissatisfaction: it doesn't work) |
| 06:09.37 | Szeraax | not yet at least |
| 06:09.52 | Guerin | well, you can boot grub manually without a menu.lst |
| 06:09.59 | patrakov | (doesn't work because he needs to repartition) |
| 06:10.07 | Szeraax | no i dont |
| 06:10.14 | Szeraax | i have 4 primary parts. |
| 06:10.15 | Guerin | yes you do |
| 06:10.27 | Guerin | how else will you get rid of windows? |
| 06:10.38 | Szeraax | i have my 50 MB at beginning |
| 06:10.40 | liable | http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html |
| 06:10.44 | Szeraax | (just got grub onto) |
| 06:10.49 | Szeraax | by 12GB for win |
| 06:10.53 | Szeraax | and two others for the rest |
| 06:11.19 | Szeraax | i need windows |
| 06:11.23 | Szeraax | for my work |
| 06:11.29 | Guerin | you have my condolences |
| 06:11.38 | patrakov | so download the vmlinuz and initrd from the hd-media directory, and use the link provided above |
| 06:11.49 | ShadowBearer | what is he trying to do? |
| 06:11.52 | Guerin | !debian.exe |
| 06:11.52 | dpkg | [debian.exe] the debian-installer loader for win32, which will install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (ETCH) as default. `debian.exe` will install grub for NT on C drive, then proceed to download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and create entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com - Ask me about installation guide <ig> (/msg dpkg ig). |
| 06:11.56 | Szeraax | oh? |
| 06:12.02 | liable | make my screen scroll it seems |
| 06:12.02 | MangosDebian | "Hi, I just bought a computer! But I can't install $DISTRO on it. I has no cdrom, no usb, no cdrom, no floppy and no network. Whats the easiest way to install $DISTRO? And removing the hard drive isn't an option." |
| 06:12.06 | Guerin | Szeraax: tried that? |
| 06:12.31 | Guerin | MangosDebian: it seems you want the Rube Goldberg Install! |
| 06:12.35 | Szeraax | no i havent |
| 06:12.39 | Azar | :) |
| 06:12.43 | Szeraax | but, i'm not going to kill the wondiws |
| 06:12.50 | Szeraax | it took me soo long to get it on here |
| 06:12.50 | Azar | gotta love weekends on #debian |
| 06:12.51 | Guerin | Szeraax: you needn't |
| 06:12.57 | ShadowBearer | wait which partition is windows on? |
| 06:13.03 | Szeraax | C: |
| 06:13.04 | Guerin | Azar: just like the other days ending in y |
| 06:13.05 | Szeraax | hda2 |
| 06:13.10 | bullgard4 | My computer has 40 files containing in their filenames the string 'hwmon'. Can one explain to me the concept of 'hwmon'? I found "hwmon.c - part of lm_sensors, Linux kernel modules for hardware monitoring." But I still do not understand what 'hwmon' is. |
| 06:13.35 | Guerin | bullgard4: i would guess it's a hardware monitor of some dort. |
| 06:13.35 | patrakov | bullgard4: could you please paste their full paths to #flood? |
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| 06:13.38 | Azar | hw=hardware mon=monitor |
| 06:13.46 | Guerin | just a random guess |
| 06:14.08 | MangosDebian | bullgard4: didn't we go over this like 20 minutes ago? |
| 06:14.10 | Azar | Guerin: do we get a swmon with the bundle? |
| 06:14.19 | Azar | :) |
| 06:14.26 | MangosDebian | Azar: :) |
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| 06:14.56 | bullgard4 | patrakov, MangosDebian: I don't think that you wanted to be helpful. |
| 06:15.24 | Azar | bullgard4: you could use a paster if you don't like #flood |
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| 06:15.34 | patrakov | bullgard4: I am not a mind-reader and can't help without seeing the list of files |
| 06:15.36 | PhilFX | hello |
| 06:15.41 | Szeraax | well, i'm good with all the stuff you guys gave me now |
| 06:15.42 | Szeraax | thanks tons |
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| 06:15.50 | MangosDebian | bullgard4: You expect a helpful answer when you can't explain why you even installed it in the first place? |
| 06:15.54 | Szeraax | glad to brighten your day and hating me |
| 06:16.00 | Szeraax | :) |
| 06:16.12 | patrakov | bullgard4: the list of files will help us guess why they are there |
| 06:16.12 | Azar | Guerin: you become famous |
| 06:16.14 | Szeraax | thanks again, no i'm not being sarcastic |
| 06:16.20 | Szeraax | bye all |
| 06:16.27 | MangosDebian | Szeraax: lol, hate you?! hell no, your one of my top 10 now lol |
| 06:16.31 | MangosDebian | gl ;) |
| 06:17.10 | Szeraax | haha |
| 06:17.16 | PhilFX | I'm having major problems upgrading debian 3.1 to 4.0. It's installed on a vServer. is this the problem? |
| 06:17.22 | Szeraax | i will proclaim to the world if i get this all to work... |
| 06:17.27 | solitude | PhilFX, sarge -> etch is ugly |
| 06:17.37 | MangosDebian | bullgard4: I mean, are you here for trivia or something? You grab source for a program, surely you knew what it does before you download it, then you ask _us_ to tell you what its for? |
| 06:17.37 | Szeraax | yeah |
| 06:17.46 | solitude | took me a good few hours to get my server migrated over properly |
| 06:18.00 | MangosDebian | bullgard4: or am I missing some important reason as to how it came into existance on your computer? |
| 06:18.04 | solitude | what exactly are the problems youre having? |
| 06:18.05 | MangosDebian | If so, I apologize |
| 06:18.33 | Guerin | Azar: eh? |
| 06:19.00 | PhilFX | solitude: I'm a complete linux noob. it seems everything's going right (made all the steps from a howto) but its still 3.1 |
| 06:19.06 | Azar | oh, Guerin that was about Szeraax remarks about hating him |
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| 06:19.22 | patrakov | bullgard4: I also installed the Debian OS (but slightly differently than you) - and I don't have those files. That's why I am asking for their full names |
| 06:19.27 | Azar | PhilFX: did you read the release notes? |
| 06:19.28 | PhilFX | I just want to have php 5.x....may its easier to install that alone? |
| 06:20.00 | PhilFX | no I followed the steps from a guide |
| 06:20.24 | PhilFX | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/upgrading-debian-sarga-3-to-etch-4.html |
| 06:20.24 | Azar | PhilFX: you need to read the release notes before upgrading: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 06:20.45 | PhilFX | ok thx, i will read it now |
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| 06:22.04 | Azar | PhilFX: in short, #1 edit your /etc/apt/sources.list. #2 use "aptitude" when dist-upgrade. #3 upgrade your kernel after upgrade. |
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| 06:22.30 | solitude | wait Azar |
| 06:22.37 | solitude | using aptitude is a bad idea if he was using apt before |
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| 06:22.56 | PhilFX | i reinstalled the server completley fresh 5min ago |
| 06:23.03 | PhilFX | its back to origin 3.1 |
| 06:23.09 | Azar | ok good |
| 06:23.16 | PhilFX | so its no problem with a vserver? |
| 06:23.23 | Azar | if you don't need backup, skip the backup sections |
| 06:23.48 | PhilFX | and php 5.2 comes with the upgrade inclusive? |
| 06:24.46 | tictac | !lart terrorists |
| 06:25.26 | Azar | that's what I was looking for!!! "In some cases, the use of apt-get for installing packages instead of aptitude might make aptitude consider a package as "unused" and schedule it for removal" << why is not good to mix apt-get with aptitude |
| 06:25.41 | MangosDebian | tictac: are you even allowed to import cryptography into baghdad? or is that a punishable by death offence there if caught? |
| 06:26.00 | Azar | Guerin: can you add that to dpkg factoid? |
| 06:26.08 | tictac | MangosDebian: yes. im an american citizen. |
| 06:26.10 | patrakov | bullgard4: the /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/hwmon/hwmon-vid.ko file guesses the proper voltage for your processor based on its model. You'll have to read descriptions of other files with "hwmon" in their name from my mind :) |
| 06:26.40 | Azar | liable: ? |
| 06:26.45 | MangosDebian | tictac: What does that have to do with anything? I see americans and others getting tossed into jail for life over things like drugs overseas all the time. |
| 06:27.04 | Azar | streuner_: ? |
| 06:27.19 | tictac | MangosDebian: ... im in the military forced to come here. yes i can have crypto. i work for the government. |
| 06:27.22 | tictac | :) |
| 06:28.11 | tictac | i doubt an iraqi is gonna come on base and even try to throw me in jail for something so frivilous as having crypto. |
| 06:28.32 | MangosDebian | so you don't respect the local laws is what your saying? |
| 06:28.37 | cast | tictac: well, not unless you become a 'problem' :) |
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| 06:29.00 | tictac | MangosDebian: you dont think the US govt has crypto on their signal equipment? |
| 06:29.07 | xingu | tictac: not until next spring anyway |
| 06:29.17 | Azar | tictac: you seem too young to be enrolled |
| 06:29.24 | bullgard4 | patrakov: My question is independent of the concrete hwmon files installed on my computer. I should like to know what the concept of 'hwmon' is about. I have read several descriptions of hwmon files but still not got the integrating idea about the 'hwmon' concept. |
| 06:29.30 | tictac | cast: im sure the entire country has a problem with us being here :P |
| 06:29.45 | tictac | Azar: what does that supposed to mean? |
| 06:29.54 | Azar | bullgard4: if you like the use of lmsensors, well that's all about |
| 06:30.08 | tictac | xingu: pfft. that will be yet another bill that will be on bush's veto list. |
| 06:30.15 | Azar | tictac: nothing offending, just a thought |
| 06:30.17 | MangosDebian | tictac: ive heard stories of your network access there. They switch from smoothwall to IpCOP for their network yet? |
| 06:30.50 | tictac | MangosDebian: i cant discuss that information, obviously. |
| 06:31.15 | lekvar | *wishes for gnome-terminal-nognome* |
| 06:31.25 | MangosDebian | tictac: why not? its a self run network that I found out about in the first place publically |
| 06:31.26 | bullgard4 | Azar: Your statement is not precise enough. |
| 06:31.32 | tictac | Azar: im older than you'd think. |
| 06:31.45 | Azar | bullgard4: take the hwmon as a nurse in a hospital who comes and checks you up every few hours for blood pressure, temperature..etc |
| 06:32.15 | Azar | tictac: I asked only because I saw a lot of "very" young people in the military... |
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| 06:32.19 | patrakov | bullgard4: please read Documentation/hwmon/userspace-tools in the kernel sources |
| 06:32.24 | tictac | MangosDebian: what self run network are you referring to? the military network or some iraqi/soldier ran internet access network for morale use |
| 06:32.26 | Azar | ... on tv |
| 06:32.49 | patrakov | or in linux-doc-2.6.18 package |
| 06:32.57 | galois_ | tictac: why not get someone to send a dvd? |
| 06:33.14 | xingu | galois_: of sid? |
| 06:33.17 | galois_ | tictac: still a reasonably quick way of transfering large amounts of data |
| 06:33.19 | tictac | MangosDebian: this morale network here is ran on a debian box, none the less. |
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| 06:33.26 | MangosDebian | tictac: the network run by the troops, for the troops in this case since it wasn't a government project. Surely you know the name of your own network |
| 06:33.34 | tictac | galois_: there is no dvd of sid. |
| 06:33.48 | tictac | heh. there are two of those said networks on this base. |
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| 06:34.13 | CInderella | 大家好 |
| 06:34.20 | CInderella | hello here |
| 06:34.28 | MangosDebian | tictac: do you know if they are using sat's and DSLAM's to give you net access? |
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| 06:34.41 | br0ken | hello all |
| 06:34.58 | tictac | MangosDebian: its a satellite based system, of course. |
| 06:35.02 | tictac | DSLAM? |
| 06:35.07 | CInderella | i 'm ubuntuer i want to intall debian |
| 06:35.16 | CInderella | where can i get debian |
| 06:35.32 | cast | CInderella: have you even tried looking at debian.org? |
| 06:35.38 | tictac | CInderella: rtft |
| 06:35.46 | MangosDebian | tictac: ill take that as a no. Do you at least know the name of your network? |
| 06:35.51 | tictac | MangosDebian: im no satellite guy. |
| 06:35.52 | Azar | CInderella: there you have it: http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_debian_etch |
| 06:36.00 | cast | tictac: you know you're not supposed to say things like that in ubuntu land :( |
| 06:36.06 | tictac | MangosDebian: sure, we have two. fubi and josepf. |
| 06:36.14 | tictac | cast: this isnt ubuntu land. |
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| 06:36.32 | Guerin | and thank goodness |
| 06:36.39 | tictac | heh |
| 06:36.42 | ice63 | :) |
| 06:36.44 | Azar | mannnn, finally! welcomeback Guerin |
| 06:36.52 | Guerin | if it was, I'd be banned for swearing and I'd have to go back to #debian |
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| 06:37.24 | Azar | Guerin: "In some cases, the use of apt-get for installing |
| 06:37.24 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:37.28 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.29 | tictac | the closest ive came to ubuntu land, was ordering this lappy w ubuntu preinstalled. however it came in the mail, i installed etch on the first boot. |
| 06:37.36 | Guerin | Azar: you lose |
| 06:37.40 | tictac | oops. no more ubuntu. |
| 06:37.47 | Azar | Guerin, can we put that on dpkg factoids? |
| 06:37.55 | tictac | aptitude is overrated. |
| 06:37.56 | Guerin | Azar: it's there already |
| 06:38.09 | MangosDebian | tictac: shouldnt you be asleep so you can be up in the morning to go find more terrorists? |
| 06:38.12 | Azar | tictac: well it is quite recommended on Debian upgrades |
| 06:38.13 | Guerin | tictac: spoken like somene who hasn't bothered to learn how to use it |
| 06:38.30 | tictac | MangosDebian: no. im signal. i dont leave the base unless im going to take a ccnp test. :) |
| 06:38.30 | Azar | oh thanks Guerin, under what command? |
| 06:38.37 | Guerin | Azar: aptitude |
| 06:38.45 | tictac | Guerin: indeed. |
| 06:38.46 | cast | the factoid aptitude deals with using apt-get and aptitude, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m |
| 06:38.48 | Azar | thanks |
| 06:38.59 | MangosDebian | tictac: and the military allows you to irc from base?! |
| 06:39.03 | tictac | MangosDebian: and those trips are on a chopper. |
| 06:39.10 | tictac | MangosDebian: on the morale network, yes. |
| 06:39.23 | Azar | tictac: bet moderated too... |
| 06:39.36 | Guerin | tictac: /j #politics :) |
| 06:39.38 | Azar | so watch out not to spill any sensitive info |
| 06:39.55 | Guerin | tictac: aka zionists vs. neo-nazis |
| 06:39.59 | tictac | Azar: it is moderated. |
| 06:40.12 | tictac | Azar: but i know the people the do the moderating :P |
| 06:40.19 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:40.38 | Azar | damn some army we got there.. |
| 06:40.42 | tictac | Guerin: im stuck in my ways of using apt. |
| 06:40.46 | CInderella | 谢谢 |
| 06:40.51 | tictac | Azar: what do you mean by that? |
| 06:40.54 | Guerin | tictac: you are not alone. |
| 06:41.02 | tictac | :) |
| 06:42.03 | Azar | Guerin: but the factoid does not explain why is not good to mix apt-get and aptitude.. |
| 06:42.16 | Guerin | Azar: the linked bugreports do |
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| 06:42.26 | Azar | oh ok, cool |
| 06:42.33 | CInderella | Azar: ? |
| 06:43.02 | xingu | tictac: probably the most pragmatic suggestion would be to find someone who was willing to ship a daily blast of sid via dvb-s if they're already using it to stream briefings on a loop. |
| 06:43.05 | Azar | CInderella: ? |
| 06:43.07 | CInderella | Azar: i know how to install but how to get debian 4.0? |
| 06:43.22 | CInderella | debian.org? |
| 06:43.24 | Azar | CInderella: THAT's the 4.0 is named Debian Etch |
| 06:43.40 | Azar | follow the pictures and you get it all right |
| 06:43.58 | CInderella | so cool |
| 06:43.59 | cast | CInderella: debian is a bit different to ubuntu, its best to try to do things first. i don't think the goal here is 'linux for everyone' |
| 06:44.00 | tictac | xingu: that would cost me a fortune to have them send that every day. |
| 06:44.00 | tictac | maybe once every 2 weeks or so at best. |
| 06:44.27 | Azar | CInderella: read 2. Installing the base system |
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| 06:44.48 | MangosDebian | tictac: whats wrong with etch? little easier on the bandwidth, and probably more secure than sid. especically if you are using it on a mil network |
| 06:44.52 | xingu | tictac: you wouldn't be paying for it; the idea is to ship it on a military bird that's already carrying briefing video reels |
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| 06:45.24 | tictac | MangosDebian: its not a mil network. its a commercial (practially) morale network. it does not touch the mil network. |
| 06:45.29 | xingu | tictac: nb, yes, it'd take some organisation, and I wouldn't want to have to write up the justification for this. :) |
| 06:45.48 | CInderella | thanks a lot |
| 06:45.49 | tictac | xingu: ill pass. that's too much work. :P |
| 06:46.02 | xingu | tictac: but you've gotta admit it's a reasonable fit for the problem |
| 06:46.04 | tictac | MangosDebian: and what r u talking about 'get up in the morning' |
| 06:46.08 | tictac | Sun Jul 15 10:44:23 ADT 2007 |
| 06:46.11 | Azar | if Id be in the military... mannn, Id be ircing with family, and girls... not on #debian :) |
| 06:46.25 | cast | Azar: are you saying you're not my family :( |
| 06:46.27 | tictac | Azar: thats what gmail is for. |
| 06:46.31 | MangosDebian | tictac: took you long enough to notice the sun where you are :) |
| 06:46.46 | Azar | hehe well I don't kiss with buddies on irc.. |
| 06:46.48 | tictac | free text msg rocks w/ sprint too.. :P |
| 06:47.18 | tictac | MangosDebian: im in an a/c room with the lights out and cant see anything but the text on the console. :) |
| 06:48.06 | MangosDebian | tictac: lol, can't look good if someone walks in on you. middle of the day, all alone in a room in front of a machine in the dark |
| 06:48.25 | tictac | xingu: nah, they wouldnt go for it. mil is stingy with its money. |
| 06:48.33 | tictac | MangosDebian: there are people sleeping in the room too. lol |
| 06:48.54 | MangosDebian | tictac: at 10am!? i thought you guys are up like crack of dawn there :/ |
| 06:49.07 | tictac | MangosDebian: im signal. we work shift work. |
| 06:49.08 | liable | cosy! |
| 06:49.47 | tictac | the bunk beds here are total garbage. iraqi made for sure. if you rock it really hard the top bunk falls on the bottom bunk. |
| 06:49.54 | tictac | luckily, i sleep on the top. :D |
| 06:49.57 | CInderella | debian had DVD down? |
| 06:50.28 | MangosDebian | tictac: they made of straw? lol |
| 06:50.53 | tictac | Azar: im not just working on irc, im also prepping for my next cisco test. :P |
| 06:51.29 | tictac | MangosDebian: no, just really poorly made materials. the bolts that hold the top bunk together, only go into the end wood pieces about 1/2 inch |
| 06:51.54 | tictac | its a mess. |
| 06:51.58 | Guerin | tictac: that sounds like an anti-sex device |
| 06:52.00 | MangosDebian | tictac: and you guys trust iraqi made stuff in american base? |
| 06:52.08 | MangosDebian | Guerin: heh |
| 06:52.30 | tictac | Guerin: lol, probably is with all the sex that goes around here. |
| 06:52.55 | Guerin | yeah, i've heard about those 12x15s |
| 06:53.00 | tictac | Guerin: couple people got caught the other day fucking in a portajon in 115 degree weather at around 1pm. |
| 06:53.09 | Guerin | tictac: jeebus |
| 06:53.14 | Guerin | biohazard |
| 06:53.27 | tictac | MangosDebian: i dont buy the shit. we arent going to get shit sent over from the US. lol |
| 06:53.41 | tictac | yea. gross. |
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| 06:53.48 | Guerin | US-made gear wouldn't be any better |
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| 06:54.00 | Guerin | you'd have to go to china to get any decent kit |
| 06:54.03 | tictac | the girl got caught a couple months ago having sex with some other guy in a spare room. |
| 06:54.14 | Arafangion | Guerin: CHINA? |
| 06:54.21 | Guerin | Arafangion: hell yeah. |
| 06:54.23 | tictac | Guerin: yea. ill make sure i order some toothpaste while im getting my new bed. |
| 06:54.26 | MangosDebian | tictac: isn't that a court marshal or something? |
| 06:54.38 | Fox_1_ | hi all, people which filesystem is better for etch? |
| 06:54.43 | Guerin | Fox_1_: ext3 |
| 06:54.54 | tictac | MangosDebian: heh. not hardly. the army doesnt kick people out for "petty" things anymore |
| 06:54.59 | Arafangion | tictac: I don't know about you or most other people, but I think doing it in a spare room is one of the better places. |
| 06:55.12 | tictac | unless you come back from war and say "im crazy im crazy" then they give you 30,000 and kick you out. |
| 06:55.20 | MangosDebian | tictac: should try sneak some weed into base and see if they consider it petty :) |
| 06:55.30 | Guerin | MangosDebian: weed *is* petty |
| 06:55.34 | xingu | just so long as that spare room isn't a kinda tall 1sqm tin box with "full" and "half" flush buttons. |
| 06:55.41 | tictac | MangosDebian: yes, that is petty. |
| 06:55.57 | MangosDebian | they seriously dont care about it? cool |
| 06:55.58 | Fox_1_ | and what about XFS, JFS, REISER ? |
| 06:56.01 | tictac | MangosDebian: youd have to get caught about 3 times with it in your system to get kicked out.. and then you go to leavenworth for a year or so. |
| 06:56.04 | Guerin | (unless in quantities which a grunt can't lift on his own) |
| 06:56.16 | tictac | Fox_1_: use reiserfs and stfu already. |
| 06:56.24 | Guerin | Fox_1_: needs redundant power |
| 06:56.35 | Guerin | Fox_1_: use ext3 unless you have an extremely good reason not to |
| 06:56.43 | MangosDebian | Guerin: well you know, those planes can store a lot of weight |
| 06:56.43 | tictac | Arafangion: im not one of those people that has sex out here. :) |
| 06:57.06 | Arafangion | tictac: Nor am I. :) |
| 06:57.19 | tictac | MangosDebian: those planes alse x-ray their cargo coming on and off the plane :P |
| 06:57.34 | wols_ | tictac: you not having sex, shouldn't you type ":("? |
| 06:57.36 | tictac | im not sure how you can find weed with an x-ray machine, but they do, supposedly. |
| 06:57.39 | AmigoLu | Fox_1_: I think the same ext3 is the best for normal users like me |
| 06:57.47 | tictac | wols_: no. i go home in 3 days. :D |
| 06:57.54 | MangosDebian | tictac: bah, like a few tons of weed would show up as anything special on an xray :) |
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| 06:58.13 | MangosDebian | just mark it top secret :) |
| 06:58.18 | Guerin | it's just MRE-enhacement medicine, officer |
| 06:58.35 | Fox_1_ | whats the defferente between them? |
| 06:58.47 | wols_ | why are they searching for it anways? it increases troop morale? or is it cause it'S diminishes the will to fight? |
| 06:58.49 | Guerin | Fox_1_: one is the one you should use and the others are the ones you shouldn't |
| 06:58.50 | tictac | MangosDebian: you cant just mark something classified or secret, you have to go through lots of paperwork |
| 06:59.05 | Fox_1_ | Guerin: :) |
| 06:59.11 | Guerin | wols_: drugs lead to addiction, addiction leds to crime, crime leads to corruption |
| 06:59.18 | tictac | wols_: because it is illegal. |
| 06:59.22 | MangosDebian | tictac: oh im sure the real weed smugglers go through it too. its called laundering :p |
| 06:59.25 | tictac | Guerin: i think he was referring to sex.. |
| 06:59.30 | Fox_1_ | so why are they create other FSs? |
| 06:59.36 | Guerin | tictac: sex is illegal? |
| 06:59.53 | Guerin | Fox_1_: for specialist use. |
| 06:59.59 | cast | [i'm not totally convinced being stoned increases battle awareness, but i'm willing to accept i may be wrong on this] |
| 07:00.00 | tictac | Guerin: if your american and your in iraq and have anything to do with the military, YES! |
| 07:00.02 | wols_ | I was refereing to weed. and illegal? we have a time honored tradiition of selective enforcement in any government out there... |
| 07:00.10 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:00.23 | tictac | Guerin: you dont even have to be in the military, contractors cant have sex either! |
| 07:00.31 | Guerin | cast: millions of counterstrike players would tell you so |
| 07:00.37 | MangosDebian | Guerin: sex leads to addiction, addiction leads to prostitution, protitution leads to Madam'ing, Madaming leads to corrupt politicians ;) |
| 07:00.44 | Guerin | tictac: so that's why they get paid telephone numbers |
| 07:00.51 | tictac | well, unless your married. then you and your wife can have sex, but only with each other and only with no one else around. |
| 07:00.58 | wols_ | tictac: the US military is even more idiotic than I thought |
| 07:01.27 | Guerin | wols_: not so much more so than other militaries |
| 07:01.38 | tictac | Guerin: yes, they sure do. we have a guy here that sits around and works on the satellite if it breaks. he gets paid $275,000. |
| 07:01.46 | Guerin | at least not at the local command level; you could argue the top brass are different |
| 07:02.05 | tictac | most of the time, he sits in his room and plays empire earth. :| |
| 07:02.21 | Guerin | tictac: i have a mate who just headed out to Qatar to drive a truck for $130k |
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| 07:02.37 | tictac | qatar doesnt even have terrorists. |
| 07:02.42 | Guerin | i know |
| 07:02.44 | tictac | they dont even get attacked, really. |
| 07:02.54 | Guerin | though i think he drives out of qatar, not in it |
| 07:03.02 | tictac | what bs. |
| 07:03.06 | tictac | thats still into kuwait. |
| 07:03.11 | tictac | it doesnt have terrorists either. |
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| 07:03.34 | MangosDebian | tictac: how do you know? Have you asked everyone if they are a terrorist? |
| 07:03.40 | Guerin | not since 1991 |
| 07:03.41 | tictac | unless, for some reason, he drives from qatar through kuwait and into iraq.. like 2500 miles. |
| 07:03.42 | MangosDebian | what if they lie? |
| 07:03.58 | Guerin | MangosDebian: zey haf vays |
| 07:04.10 | tictac | MangosDebian: okay. so they might have terrorists. no american has died in qatar in the last 12 months |
| 07:04.12 | MangosDebian | ? |
| 07:04.26 | Guerin | MangosDebian: of making zem talk |
| 07:04.31 | MangosDebian | tictac: ahhh, so they don't have much "terrorism" :) |
| 07:04.40 | MangosDebian | Guerin: lol |
| 07:04.47 | Guerin | liable: schweinhund! |
| 07:04.52 | tictac | MangosDebian: 3 people have died in kuwait, however they were on a military base and it was from stupid carelessness. like one guy was crushed between two vehicles because the driver didnt look before he backed up. |
| 07:05.07 | tictac | MangosDebian: that guy went to leavenworth, by the way. :D |
| 07:05.41 | Guerin | time to put some more veg in the oven |
| 07:05.56 | Guerin | and hope this prok is going to crispen up some |
| 07:05.57 | tictac | sad. the guy got to kuwait and 3 days later died because someone was careless. :-\ |
| 07:06.51 | MangosDebian | happens every day unfortunatly |
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| 07:07.06 | tictac | yea, sucks. |
| 07:08.02 | tictac | hate to be the one to tell teh family that.. 'we are sorry but your son died, due to some guy being a jackass and crushing him. here is his 400k insurance and 100k death gratuity. have a nice day.' |
| 07:08.43 | MangosDebian | whats worse is it probably cost twice that to jail the guy who did it |
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| 07:09.11 | tictac | who knows. |
| 07:09.25 | Azar | Guerin: did you ever tried Hurd? |
| 07:09.29 | cast | wait...500k to the dead guys family? |
| 07:10.13 | tictac | cast: yep. or at least 100k to his family.. the other 400k where ever he put on his life insurance policy |
| 07:10.32 | tictac | cast: military service members get 400k in life insurance. |
| 07:10.45 | tictac | and 100k death gratuity |
| 07:10.52 | Azar | wols_ liable .. |
| 07:10.59 | cast | damn. so those...what is it, 3000 dead soldiers? that must be quite alot of payouts |
| 07:11.12 | tictac | cast: yep. lots of money. |
| 07:11.26 | MangosDebian | cast: who cares when you print your own money |
| 07:11.43 | tictac | thats chump change to the govt tho cuz we are like 9 trillion in the hole... |
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| 07:13.49 | Guerin | Azar: nope. |
| 07:13.52 | xingu | MangosDebian: the treasury doesn't print money, it mints it; the federal reserve is a private corporation. |
| 07:14.16 | xingu | MangosDebian: and the coin that's minted by the treasury is a fraction of m3 |
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| 07:14.32 | MangosDebian | xingu: m3? |
| 07:15.05 | wols_ | MangosDebian: the real amount of money in circulation, including "Book money" that only exists on your bank account |
| 07:15.24 | MangosDebian | ah |
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| 07:16.55 | sleek_ | xingu, this is going to be OT, but since I found you here, let me ask you some questions |
| 07:17.20 | tictac | sleek_: we have been talking OT for the last hour... |
| 07:17.23 | MangosDebian | not like its busy in here |
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| 07:17.32 | sleek_ | what's the difference between backbone and access circuit ? |
| 07:17.51 | MangosDebian | this is like jwalking at 4am in some empty intersection |
| 07:18.07 | xingu | sleek_: usage; backbone is used to interconnect distribution sites |
| 07:18.09 | Gge | acess is on the user side (subscriber) and backbone on the network side |
| 07:18.09 | sleek_ | I am thinking of running a WiFi ISP business |
| 07:18.26 | xingu | sleek_: access is last mile (from distribution to customer premesis) |
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| 07:18.34 | sleek_ | I see |
| 07:18.49 | sleek_ | what kind of connection is that ( T1/T3/OC3 .. etc ) |
| 07:18.49 | xingu | sleek_: there's no other inherent difference - it's a usage label only. |
| 07:18.56 | Guerin | sleek_: then you owe it to your future customers to get advice from a non-irc source |
| 07:18.57 | herbi | any major breakage issues with unstable right now? |
| 07:19.05 | herbi | havent done a dist-upgrade in 6 weeks |
| 07:19.08 | tictac | lol |
| 07:19.08 | sleek_ | yeah.. once you are in the field you need specific technical terms for everything :P |
| 07:19.09 | Gge | could be FE , GE also |
| 07:19.12 | sleek_ | I can understand that |
| 07:19.22 | tictac | herbi: run dist-upgrade and find out ;) |
| 07:19.29 | herbi | lol gee thanks |
| 07:19.40 | sleek_ | Guerin, doesn't hurt to do a lil bit of research eh ? knowledge comes from a lot of source |
| 07:19.48 | wols_ | herbi: bugs.debian.org |
| 07:19.51 | MangosDebian | herbi: anything you want us to tell your family if you dont make it? |
| 07:19.58 | sleek_ | and you get some hints by chatting up to eople |
| 07:20.22 | xingu | sleek_: t1/t3 are data encoding methods with implied bitrates; oc3 is a physical layer spec. |
| 07:20.46 | sleek_ | I see |
| 07:20.47 | wols_ | sleek_: people wanting to start an ISP should know things like that _before_ they event think about starting an ISP |
| 07:20.48 | xingu | sleek_: you're comparing apples (logical path labels) to oranges (physical layer tech.) |
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| 07:21.44 | sleek_ | wols_, I can dream can't I ? doesn't hurt to research more and see if I can do it |
| 07:22.05 | herbi | MangosDebian, can i have some mangos |
| 07:22.18 | Guerin | the world needs another half-arsed isp like it needs a cyanide pill |
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| 07:22.27 | sleek_ | if you don't like me asking these questions here, do tell. I would stop |
| 07:22.33 | xingu | sleek_: if you want to design a network, you need to firstly work out what your edge to edge max. forwarding delay will be and then make sure that your access circuits can meet this |
| 07:22.42 | Guerin | sleek_: that's really our point. We're just pleading with you to do it properly :) |
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| 07:23.13 | wols_ | Guerin: the world IS ovrpopulated. so you are saying we really need more ISPs? |
| 07:23.20 | MangosDebian | herbi: only if you compile them yourself first ;) |
| 07:23.20 | Guerin | wols_: hah |
| 07:23.25 | xingu | wols_: especially in .iq, evidently |
| 07:23.27 | Guerin | the wrld is not overpopulated |
| 07:23.39 | cast | Guerin: sure it is |
| 07:23.49 | sleek_ | areas where the food is are |
| 07:23.53 | Guerin | we'll know when it's overpopulated because new and unusual ways of depopulating it will take effect |
| 07:23.54 | herbi | MangosDebian, apt-get install mangos? |
| 07:24.25 | wols_ | Guerin: it all depends what standard of livin you want for it. if you want western, then yes it's overpopulated by about 50% |
| 07:24.26 | Guerin | sleek_: by definition, it's the areas where the resources *isn't* which are overpopulated |
| 07:24.30 | wols_ | erm, 80% rather |
| 07:24.35 | MangosDebian | herbi: actually, theres no official package for it yet. besides, requires non free files from the wow client :) |
| 07:24.56 | Guerin | wols_: i'm not talking about fluffy concepts like `standard of living' - I'm talking in bio-evolutionary terms |
| 07:24.59 | cast | Guerin: surely you can be in a state where you are exhausting resources, so while you haven't ran out yet you will in 5 years |
| 07:25.09 | sleek_ | sleek_, is Gobi overpopulated then ? |
| 07:25.12 | Guerin | cast: counterfactual |
| 07:25.16 | cast | Guerin: i'd consider that overpopulation |
| 07:25.16 | sleek_ | I consider space a resource too |
| 07:25.28 | Guerin | sleek_: space is indeed one of the most important |
| 07:25.37 | Guerin | space + tech = food |
| 07:25.47 | xingu | when it takes more than a barrel of oil to extract a barrel of oil, we're overpopulated. |
| 07:25.57 | sleek_ | lol |
| 07:25.59 | StR | how do you remove kde and the applications of kde it self? |
| 07:26.01 | Guerin | it just depends on the right combinations of space and tech - some types of space require very little tech, others rather more |
| 07:26.14 | MangosDebian | xingu: http://www.stupi.se/cgi-bin/kaka?year=2007;dir=20070708 |
| 07:26.15 | sleek_ | you can always stack your crops upward |
| 07:26.17 | wols_ | Guerin: I'm talking abnout current energy needs and the means to produce it. and you and I need s shitton of energy |
| 07:26.18 | Guerin | sleek_: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 07:26.26 | sleek_ | Str |
| 07:26.36 | MangosDebian | xingu: 40gbit :) |
| 07:26.50 | sleek_ | StR, /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 07:26.59 | StR | thanks |
| 07:27.11 | sleek_ | I feel like a relay switch |
| 07:27.28 | Guerin | wols_: the distinction here is that you're talking about *lifestyle* and I'm talking about *extinction* |
| 07:27.48 | Guerin | wols_: one might be in danger (but not really) - the other isn't even a remote likelihood in the forseeable future |
| 07:28.22 | xingu | Guerin: are you including political risks when you're talking extinction? |
| 07:28.33 | Guerin | xingu: like war? Yes. |
| 07:28.37 | xingu | Guerin: the world's going to get a little pathalogical when it takes more than a barrel of oil to extract one |
| 07:28.50 | Guerin | xingu: though no war is likely to cause true extinction, in an evolutionary sense |
| 07:28.58 | xingu | Guerin: and there's several nations with the capability to cause extinction if pushed |
| 07:29.14 | StR | how do you reinstall gnome |
| 07:29.14 | Guerin | xingu: humans are adaptive - they'll find other ways to get energy if it comes to that |
| 07:29.22 | cast | curious how when the entire rooms OT it doesn't seem OT |
| 07:29.27 | tictac | gnome is overrated |
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| 07:29.42 | MangosDebian | cast: just go with it :) |
| 07:29.46 | Guerin | xingu: but having the capacity to do so and the ability and inclination to do so are quite another |
| 07:29.51 | StR | how do you reinstall gnome |
| 07:30.01 | Guerin | sleek_: aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 07:30.04 | Guerin | grrr |
| 07:30.06 | Guerin | StR: |
| 07:30.08 | StR | to reinstall? |
| 07:30.09 | sleek_ | yes yes |
| 07:30.12 | sleek_ | I am the relay |
| 07:30.16 | Guerin | StR: yes |
| 07:31.56 | Pencil | hey |
| 07:31.59 | Pencil | is it possible for people to access my box |
| 07:32.03 | Pencil | if im running on 2 router |
| 07:32.08 | Guerin | Pencil: anything's possible |
| 07:32.16 | Pencil | *2 routers, and my box is connected to my windows network |
| 07:32.27 | Pencil | which i made into a gateway so my box can ge tinternet access |
| 07:32.31 | Guerin | very possible |
| 07:32.36 | Pencil | how would i do that? |
| 07:32.39 | StR | Guerin, how do i set the locale to spanish? |
| 07:32.41 | Pencil | the ip is like 192.168.0.192 |
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| 07:32.45 | Pencil | on my box |
| 07:32.52 | Guerin | Pencil: depends. |
| 07:33.04 | Guerin | StR: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 07:33.13 | StR | and then reboot the X or the pc? |
| 07:33.24 | Pencil | yeah i have like 3 IPs 192.168.1.1, for my modem, 192.168.2.1, for my router. |
| 07:33.26 | Guerin | StR: x |
| 07:33.28 | StR | okey |
| 07:33.31 | Pencil | and 192.168.0.1 for my box |
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| 07:35.31 | Pencil | any idea what i should do? |
| 07:35.49 | Guerin | Pencil: why can you not just log into it? |
| 07:35.54 | Pencil | im trying to have my friend login to it |
| 07:36.01 | Pencil | i can log into just fine at home using the router ip |
| 07:36.08 | Guerin | Pencil: then configure your routers and shit to allow it |
| 07:36.08 | Pencil | but nobody on the outside can connect to it |
| 07:36.14 | Pencil | i did |
| 07:36.17 | Guerin | this is NOFP |
| 07:36.22 | Pencil | well no |
| 07:36.25 | Pencil | tahts the issue, i have 2 routers. |
| 07:36.25 | Guerin | ask your router maker |
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| 07:36.29 | Pencil | linksys wont pickup. |
| 07:36.32 | Guerin | ask both |
| 07:36.32 | Pencil | i called them and waited a hour |
| 07:36.34 | Pencil | on there hotline. |
| 07:36.35 | Pencil | i called thei sp. |
| 07:36.38 | Pencil | they refered me to linksys. |
| 07:36.40 | Guerin | sucks to be you |
| 07:36.44 | Pencil | yeah there you go |
| 07:36.45 | Guerin | !nofp |
| 07:36.45 | dpkg | nofp is probably Not Our Fucking Problem |
| 07:37.05 | wols_ | Pencil: can you locally connect to your debian box? |
| 07:37.07 | Pencil | then dont try and help me if it aint your problem |
| 07:37.10 | Pencil | yes |
| 07:37.21 | wols_ | Pencil: then ti'S not our problem. ask someone else |
| 07:37.23 | Pencil | im trying to get my friend to access my server |
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| 07:37.49 | wols_ | we cannot help you since we don't know your setup nor do we want to unless any of the router runs debian |
| 07:38.07 | Guerin | is there a #linksys? |
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| 07:38.16 | Pencil | nope |
| 07:38.21 | Pencil | i already called my isp, and linksys. |
| 07:38.22 | Guerin | aww |
| 07:38.29 | Pencil | i bridged my westel 6100 |
| 07:38.29 | MangosDebian | i think I might register #nofp though :) |
| 07:38.31 | wols_ | Guerin: someplace somwhere there probably is. not as if there is a lack of linksys ressources on the net |
| 07:38.34 | Pencil | or was it at 6600 |
| 07:38.49 | Guerin | right |
| 07:38.56 | Guerin | every man and his dog seems to have one |
| 07:39.11 | Pencil | every man and his dog seems to have one, and yet linksys has shitty support. |
| 07:39.32 | MangosDebian | isn't the wrt45g a linksys? |
| 07:39.33 | Guerin | Pencil: every man and his dog has one *becase* linksys has shitty support. |
| 07:39.42 | sleek_ | all home consumers routers are crap so far |
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| 07:39.52 | sleek_ | it's worth it to get a 486 to do the job |
| 07:39.58 | MangosDebian | sleek_: tell me about it |
| 07:40.06 | wols_ | sleek_: not if you look at your poewrbill :) |
| 07:40.12 | sleek_ | hehe |
| 07:40.14 | Guerin | Pencil: linksys has shitty support because it's cheap, because it's cheap everyone buys it, qed. |
| 07:40.22 | Pencil | hm |
| 07:40.31 | Pencil | i buy it cus everyone uses it, and its compataible with most ofthe thing si use |
| 07:40.37 | Pencil | and its pretty good stuff |
| 07:40.41 | Guerin | ... |
| 07:40.41 | wols_ | Guerin: I don't get it. it'S not cheap really. cause you still need a modem |
| 07:40.44 | Pencil | except when im trying to use PPPoE to connect to the internet. |
| 07:40.55 | Pencil | so do i |
| 07:41.01 | sleek_ | linksys, aztech, netgear, even belkin has cheap shitty router models |
| 07:41.02 | Guerin | wols_: right, but when you compare it to a crisco or something, people think `wow, that's cheap' |
| 07:41.09 | Pencil | im usign the WRT45G. |
| 07:41.17 | MangosDebian | cast: a wrt model by chance? :) |
| 07:41.20 | Guerin | not realising that there are routers and then there are routers |
| 07:41.22 | sleek_ | 45G.. umm umm :) |
| 07:41.26 | Pencil | hahaha |
| 07:41.31 | wols_ | Guerin: d-link is probably cheaper. netgear comparable. why didn't they buy those? |
| 07:41.38 | Pencil | yeah dlink is prety cheap |
| 07:41.40 | Guerin | wols_: they do, too. |
| 07:41.42 | Pencil | thats the first router i started off wtih |
| 07:41.46 | Pencil | then i went wth linksys. |
| 07:41.55 | sleek_ | Pencil, which version is it ? |
| 07:41.58 | cast | MangosDebian: nah, 4 port adsl [the switch part of it seemed to stop working] |
| 07:42.04 | Pencil | the netgear? im not sure |
| 07:42.06 | Pencil | i gave it away |
| 07:42.09 | Pencil | the d-link, threw it away. |
| 07:42.11 | sleek_ | the wrt54g |
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| 07:42.20 | Pencil | wrt54g, im not sure i dont really update my firmware |
| 07:42.23 | MangosDebian | cast: so its just a adsl now :) |
| 07:42.26 | Pencil | im scared of bricking my router |
| 07:42.32 | Pencil | i bricked my other linksys cus my comp shut off on me |
| 07:42.34 | Pencil | half way |
| 07:42.55 | cast | MangosDebian: indeed. it connects to adsl just fine...just be damned if i know how to use said adsl connection |
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| 07:43.00 | sleek_ | if you have an old version of the thing, running openwrt on it would be sweet |
| 07:43.10 | sleek_ | Pencil, not the fw version |
| 07:43.19 | sleek_ | the hardware has versioning |
| 07:43.19 | MangosDebian | Pencil: lol, what are the odds your pc would shut off mid flash on a router. talk about chitty luck |
| 07:43.22 | Pencil | haha |
| 07:43.27 | Pencil | I KNOW |
| 07:43.36 | Pencil | i was scared, i tried to run in maintence mode |
| 07:44.02 | Pencil | it got in, and then i restored it, and i tested my luck again and i bricked it and it was gone for good. |
| 07:44.02 | sleek_ | even if you bricked it, many routers has a firmware flashing ability at boot |
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| 07:44.19 | Pencil | they told me the only way is if i did some shit with serial ports |
| 07:44.24 | sleek_ | especially those ar7 ones with adam2 bootloader |
| 07:44.24 | Pencil | i had to cut it up splice some wires etc plug it in |
| 07:44.45 | lymeca | I've got three Debian boxes on a LAN and NFS performance is pretty terrible. It goes at a nice smooth 40MB/s only for a little bit then drops down to a few KB/s then stalled, then in bursts goes back up to a very high speed again. |
| 07:44.50 | lymeca | Why can't it be consistant? |
| 07:45.06 | sobersabre | hi guys. complete offtopic. what's the minimal salary in the us ? is there such thing "minmal payment" for work ? |
| 07:45.08 | xingu | lymeca: try mounting over tcp if you're not already. |
| 07:45.11 | Pencil | 7.50$ |
| 07:45.12 | sleek_ | hehe |
| 07:45.20 | Pencil | minimum wage |
| 07:45.22 | lymeca | xingu: How do I specify to use TCP? |
| 07:45.32 | jatt | a meal per day? |
| 07:45.52 | xingu | lymeca: mount ... -o proto=tcp |
| 07:46.06 | sobersabre | jatt: meal per day is for slaves, or illegal runaways, I think. |
| 07:46.08 | sleek_ | a meal per day, or meal for the whole day ? |
| 07:46.48 | xingu | lymeca: also if you're using a hub throw it in the bin and replace it with a switch. |
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| 07:47.11 | Pencil | anyways |
| 07:47.12 | lymeca | xingu: I've got a switch =P |
| 07:47.15 | Pencil | hm |
| 07:47.34 | lymeca | xingu: So the server shouldn't need reconfiguring, I just mount it with -o on my client and it should be using TCP? |
| 07:47.46 | Pencil | i had a dlink switch i think |
| 07:47.53 | sleek_ | hmm I need to learn how to use UDP in my sockets |
| 07:48.07 | xingu | lymeca: or use proto=tcp mount option in fstab, either way yes. |
| 07:48.19 | xingu | lymeca: I'm making the assumption that the server is a reasonably modern linux |
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| 07:48.39 | xingu | sleek_: you really don't. :) |
| 07:48.40 | lymeca | xingu: Debian Lenny updated packages |
| 07:48.46 | xingu | that'll do |
| 07:49.05 | sleek_ | what will do ? tcp ? |
| 07:49.15 | Mitchbbaker | hello i am having trouble with sound in gaim i was wondering what other programs i could use to the same effect? |
| 07:49.22 | sleek_ | oh .. to lymeca I guess |
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| 07:49.38 | sleek_ | Mitchbbaker, what kind of problem ? |
| 07:49.52 | Mitchbbaker | the sound is all garbled and sounds awful |
| 07:49.58 | Mitchbbaker | all other sounds are fine |
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| 07:50.20 | sleek_ | is it using the right mixer / sound method ? |
| 07:50.34 | Mitchbbaker | i am using automatic so i dunno |
| 07:50.41 | sleek_ | ok |
| 07:50.47 | sleek_ | there is amsn |
| 07:50.58 | CppIsWeird | Pencil, $7.50 is YOUR state minimum page, federal minimum wage is something like $4.50 or $5.50. It ranges from place to place, like i believe in San Fransisco, its like $12, but the cost of living is insane. |
| 07:51.03 | haluk | hi folk, i've a problem with nvidia installion. What's ur advice. How can i install? |
| 07:51.04 | Mitchbbaker | does it also do irc and yahoo? |
| 07:51.05 | cahoot | Mitchbbaker, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
| 07:51.07 | cast | amsn is only a msn client |
| 07:51.09 | lymeca | xingu: Right now in my fstab )which I DID use to mount the NFS locations I'm having bad performance on) I have 'defaults' in the <options> column. Should I delete that word and add 'proto=tcp' there instead? |
| 07:51.10 | sleek_ | or jabber and their transports |
| 07:51.19 | lymeca | Or should I change it to defaults,proto=tcp ? |
| 07:51.22 | xingu | lymeca: defaults,proto=tcp |
| 07:51.32 | cast | Mitchbbaker: google, theres a few choices, kopete perhaps |
| 07:51.42 | Mitchbbaker | ok ill look at that |
| 07:51.48 | solitude | wtf i this sudo thing |
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| 07:51.56 | solitude | it gives users root access with their own password |
| 07:52.05 | sleek_ | yes it does |
| 07:52.07 | AmigoLu | :D |
| 07:52.11 | sleek_ | but you need to 'registered' |
| 07:52.11 | cahoot | if you tell it to yes |
| 07:52.13 | CppIsWeird | its fake root... but yeah, confuses the piss out of me too. |
| 07:52.14 | sleek_ | * be |
| 07:52.17 | solitude | its an awful POS |
| 07:52.23 | sleek_ | it's not |
| 07:52.24 | CppIsWeird | whatever the hell "fake root" is |
| 07:52.27 | thedonvaughn | solitude, no it's not, it's great |
| 07:52.28 | sleek_ | you just have to learn it :) |
| 07:52.32 | cast | sudo is very useful, you just appear to not undersatnd how to use it |
| 07:52.36 | haluk | hi folk, i've a problem with nvidia installion. What's ur advice? How can i install? |
| 07:52.42 | solitude | apparently |
| 07:52.45 | solitude | whatmakes it useful? |
| 07:52.56 | cast | haluk: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 07:52.56 | wols_ | !tell haluk about nvidia |
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| 07:53.06 | sleek_ | new tools, you go look at it in strange ways, say wtf, and either you get used to it, or you go on using the old inefficient method |
| 07:53.18 | cast | solitude: well, for a start. with NOPASSWD i don't have to type a passwd :) |
| 07:53.45 | cast | solitude: sudo lets you run a specified set of cmds as root, as opposed to su which lets you run any command |
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| 07:53.59 | solitude | cast, but you get to do what without the root password |
| 07:54.04 | solitude | s/what/that |
| 07:54.57 | lymeca | xingu: Okay I remmounted with proto=tcp, but the performance still isn't that great. My client freezes up every few seconds too and my computer essentially becomes useless because I can't even use my mouse and the rest of my screen freezes up. |
| 07:55.08 | sleek_ | using binary ownership and grouping solitude ? |
| 07:55.30 | cast | solitude: some things want root, like nmap -sS, aptitude, dpkg..etc.. |
| 07:55.36 | solitude | right |
| 07:55.38 | lymeca | Is NFS really so CPU intensive as to render my system unusable for few second long bursts and give my mouse refresh a whopping ~.5 FPS? |
| 07:55.42 | xingu | lymeca: can you get "vmstat 1" going in a window, trigger the fault, and then post the numbers? |
| 07:55.43 | solitude | so you do it as root, or with su. |
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| 07:56.04 | solitude | i think im missing something here ... |
| 07:56.15 | xingu | lymeca: no, nfs itself is insignificant cpu-wise |
| 07:56.22 | sleek_ | sudo let you do a subset feature of su |
| 07:56.34 | xingu | lymeca: if there's stalls going on on your desktop, then there's an attributable cause for this. |
| 07:56.34 | cast | solitude: sure. but say i let someone run a website on my server, and i wanted to let them be able to restart apache, i could let them run apachectl as root and only root. or on my own box, you can run sudo nmap -sV without typing a passwd, which is handy :) |
| 07:56.40 | sleek_ | sometimes you want to limit the user to what he can do |
| 07:56.44 | solitude | Ah, I see. |
| 07:56.54 | solitude | Can you make sudo require a different password? |
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| 07:57.13 | solitude | as in, not the user passwod |
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| 07:57.35 | cast | since sudo is pam aware i imagine so if you really wanted |
| 07:58.43 | bonii | When I am reconfiguring my network from init.d using a static address its giving me SIOCADDRT: File exists problem. Can anyone point out the problem? |
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| 07:59.24 | solitude | ahh |
| 07:59.29 | solitude | its just a suid binary |
| 07:59.38 | solitude | which is then used to launch a set of programs |
| 08:00.01 | cast | you've described su just then, as well i think |
| 08:00.05 | sleek_ | I wonder what cannot be done with sudo, what can be done with the right grouping and ownership |
| 08:00.06 | xingu | bonii: that error usually means that the same address is already assigned; "ip addr show" |
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| 08:00.14 | lymeca | xingu: I transferred 5 files totalling 871MB via NFS and here's the output of 'vmstat 1' from start to finish: http://pastebin.ca/620129 |
| 08:00.39 | sleek_ | lol |
| 08:00.45 | sleek_ | insults - If set, sudo will insult users when they enter an incorrect password. This flag is off by default. |
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| 08:01.01 | bonii | xingu: Okay I will just check that out. |
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| 08:01.45 | bkw | When I use dpkg-buildpackage I get http://pastebin.ca/620130 , how can that be solved? |
| 08:01.54 | xingu | lymeca: your system is heavily in swap and has almost no free memory; some of those traces show 1s intervals where you have 14,23 "read"ing processes blocked waiting |
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| 08:02.44 | lymeca | xingu: Okay so I have too many applications open or what? I have 1GB of registered ECC RAM with a 2.0GHz Opteron 146. |
| 08:02.48 | xingu | lymeca: I think you don't have enough memory for your working set; does /proc/swaps agree with this? |
| 08:03.10 | xingu | lymeca: maybe; gimme 2s... |
| 08:03.30 | lymeca | Filename Type Size Used Priority |
| 08:03.31 | lymeca | /dev/sda2 partition 996020 447064 -1 |
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| 08:04.18 | xingu | lymeca: I'd like you to do this; echo 3 >/proc/sys/vm/drop_caches; then vmstat 1 again; then try and reproduce the fault again. |
| 08:04.25 | solitude | hmmm |
| 08:04.31 | solitude | samba hates me. |
| 08:04.41 | lymeca | echo 3 >/proc/sys/vm/drop caches |
| 08:04.42 | GreaseMonkey | hey, would anyone here have any ideas on why the nvidia driver freezes up the system? |
| 08:04.43 | lymeca | like that? |
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| 08:04.54 | sleek_ | lymeca, _ |
| 08:04.56 | sleek_ | the _ |
| 08:05.07 | lymeca | h okay it's 0 right now |
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| 08:06.05 | xingu | lymeca: I find this one particularly troubling (from the first trace) |
| 08:06.09 | xingu | lymeca: # |
| 08:06.10 | xingu | 23 1 447064 6072 1372 292320 0 0 29220 68 39599 6442 2 7 79 12 |
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| 08:06.54 | xingu | lymeca: is your /whole/ system nfsmounted? or is it just a data volume, which you're copying files from? |
| 08:06.56 | subx | ive just installed a basic minimal install for my box and ive installed x.org using apt-get. if i install using the installer xorg.conf is setup correctly, it detects my display, however if i install x.org using apt-get the display in xorg.conf is 'generic'. is there a dpkg i can run and configure so it detects my display and writes the settings to xorg.conf? |
| 08:07.22 | lymeca | II'm running kde, Iceweasel, Konqueor, Icedove, Amarok, and KVIrc my IRC client. That's with a GB of RAM on Debian sid. |
| 08:07.23 | sleek_ | xingu, can his swap be on an NFS ? |
| 08:07.45 | cahoot | subx, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is tried? |
| 08:08.01 | lymeca | Why swap is not exported as an NFS share |
| 08:08.11 | xingu | sleek_: it can be but I don't think it is here |
| 08:08.16 | sleek_ | k |
| 08:08.16 | subx | ill try it now cahoot, thank you |
| 08:08.30 | xingu | sleek_: lymeca what is nfsmounted? is it all of /? or just a data volume? |
| 08:08.39 | xingu | s/sleek/lymeca/ |
| 08:09.06 | lymeca | xingu: Here is the output of my second go with vmstat 1 after changing the contents of drop_caches to 3: http://pastebin.ca/620136 |
| 08:09.26 | lymeca | I again trasferred 5 files totalling 873MB |
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| 08:10.54 | lymeca | I have three Debian boxes on this LAN and each have one single NFS directory exported. On each machine the directory exported resides in /home/USER/nfs/ and is on the /home partition which is separate from and much larger than the / partition. |
| 08:11.09 | lymeca | Very similar setup on all three machines. |
| 08:11.13 | xingu | lymeca: ok so what's basically happening is the box is reading from the nfs mount as you'd expect (bi column shows the kind of pattern you'd expect with single large file copy) |
| 08:11.15 | AmigoLu | does any1 have a nice $PS1 variable? |
| 08:11.42 | AmigoLu | i mean a colored prompt or with something different? |
| 08:11.46 | lymeca | xingu: Well the output of vmstat 1 I am giving you is from the CLIENT which is transferring files to the *server* |
| 08:12.09 | AmigoLu | mine is "\[\033[01;32m\]\w \$ \[\033[00m\]" |
| 08:12.19 | subx | cahoot: that reconfiguration doesnt detect my hardware automatically, its asking me for the details. is there another package i can run what detects all the settings automatically just like how the installer does it? |
| 08:12.20 | xingu | lymeca: hmm; ok this helps. |
| 08:12.32 | gordboy | AmigoLu: "\n\e[32m[\e[31m\u\e[m@\e[32m\h \e[34;01m\l \e[36m\w\e[m\e[32m]\n\e[m\$" |
| 08:12.55 | AmigoLu | gordboy: let me try it |
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| 08:12.57 | cahoot | subx, you don't get defaults offered? |
| 08:12.58 | xingu | lymeca: what network driver are you using? ethtool -i eth1 or whatever if your driver supports this |
| 08:13.24 | IAmARelay | crazy code talkers |
| 08:13.42 | cast | i presume there's no way to chroot into a 64bit install from a 32bit livecd? |
| 08:13.43 | cahoot | subx, keep hitting enter see what it results in |
| 08:14.03 | xingu | lymeca: ok; so for copy from client to server looking at this trace from client - you have - client is reading from disk (bi), caching (cache) the result, and heavy interrupt rate (in) with heavy read contention (r) |
| 08:14.05 | lymeca | xingu: Ohh, I'm running a Xen kernel from lenny on the NFS client. My hardware port is /dev/eth1 but On my dom0 host I have a peth1 |
| 08:14.24 | MangosDebian | lymeca: does it happen over ftp as well? |
| 08:14.30 | cahoot | subx, except maybe for resolutions |
| 08:14.42 | lymeca | MangosDebian: I've not tested that. I haven't configured an FTP server on any of the machines. |
| 08:15.01 | xingu | lymeca: it may be a bit less crazy if you do your nfs in dom0 |
| 08:15.07 | MangosDebian | xen? wel |
| 08:15.09 | MangosDebian | l |
| 08:15.11 | cahoot | subx, else hwinfo might help you |
| 08:15.24 | lymeca | I actually don't have any domU's yet. |
| 08:15.30 | lymeca | Just Debian as my dom0 |
| 08:15.42 | xingu | lymeca: ok |
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| 08:15.52 | subx | cahoot: i kept hitting enter, and everything was detected as 'generic'. if i install x using the debian installer it detects my display and gfx correctly without me putting any input |
| 08:16.04 | xingu | lymeca: so the last part of this is - what physical hardware is involved on the client machine, and the server machine? |
| 08:16.09 | subx | im wondering what the installer uses for that detection |
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| 08:17.14 | xingu | lymeca: that interrupt rate is telling me that either you could benefit from better (napi-supporting) NIC hardware, (gigE) jumbo frames... or perhaps that you have a duplex mismatch on one of the two hosts |
| 08:17.36 | bullgard4 | What is the essence of the 'hwmon' concept? |
| 08:18.02 | xingu | lymeca: do you see much in the way of ethernet errors on your client or server NIC (per ifconfig) |
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| 08:18.17 | cahoot | bullgard4, I think you'll have to rephrase that |
| 08:18.21 | lymeca | xingu: I don't know how to check for Ethernet errors with ifconfig. |
| 08:18.32 | bullgard4 | cahoot: Why? |
| 08:18.50 | cahoot | bullgard4, well it's your third try here |
| 08:19.06 | cahoot | at least |
| 08:20.00 | xingu | lymeca: ifconfig -a | grep errors |
| 08:20.03 | bullgard4 | cahoot: If it is my 3rd try, why do I have to rephrase it? |
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| 08:20.46 | cahoot | you don't seem to get a response the satisfies you |
| 08:21.01 | IAmARelay | isn't hwmon used for cpu / other sensors ? |
| 08:21.05 | galois_ | bullgard4: because ther appears to be a gap between what you are trying to ask and what people understand |
| 08:21.08 | IAmARelay | hardware monitor |
| 08:21.12 | lymeca | # ethtool -i eth1 |
| 08:21.12 | lymeca | Cannot get driver information: Operation not supported |
| 08:21.17 | jpoon | hey guys...I'm having a lot of trouble trying to setup my new monitor to 1680x1050 resolution using the nvidia 100.14.11 drivers... |
| 08:21.22 | galois_ | bullgard4: a change in langauge may bridge that gap |
| 08:21.23 | lymeca | # ethtool -i peth1 |
| 08:21.23 | lymeca | driver: skge |
| 08:21.26 | jpoon | anyone here have a similar problem and was able to find a fix>? |
| 08:21.53 | bullgard4 | galois_: I will try to rephrase my question a little bit later. |
| 08:21.54 | lymeca | xingu: ifconfig says no errors all around |
| 08:22.14 | jpoon | how do I reconfigure x? |
| 08:22.18 | jpoon | is there a command? |
| 08:22.33 | cahoot | jpoon, , dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 08:22.49 | bullgard4 | How is 'hwmon' defined? Googling, I could not find a definition for hwmon. |
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| 08:22.58 | IAmARelay | lol |
| 08:23.11 | IAmARelay | what is the definition for linux ? |
| 08:23.16 | galois_ | bullgard4: any question around 'essence' is likely to get a similar variation on hardware monitoring, motherboards, etc |
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| 08:25.02 | cahoot | bullgard4, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/327 |
| 08:26.56 | IAmARelay | hwmon is a collection of drivers and tools used to monitor hardwares, that's my understanding |
| 08:27.04 | IAmARelay | http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/hwmon/ |
| 08:27.14 | cahoot | hardwarez |
| 08:27.29 | IAmARelay | hardwarez, softwarez |
| 08:27.34 | IAmARelay | hardporn,softporn |
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| 08:28.10 | xingu | lymeca: hmm, probably the right thing to do is to eliminate xen from the equation; I'm not sure how efficient it is at shifting data from the dom0 ip stack and virtual ethernet driver through the physical driver and vice versa |
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| 08:28.49 | lymeca | xingu: So automatically by using Xen I get bad network performance on my dom0? |
| 08:28.56 | bullgard4 | IAmARelay: Another source told me 'hwmon' is a single Linux driver. So there are several statements contradicting each other. |
| 08:28.57 | xingu | lymeca: I do however know that nfs is sensitive to such things; I can see in your traces where the freezing is coming from, it's due to processes blocking on read /while/ (I assume) nfs is busy writing |
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| 08:29.11 | xingu | lymeca: no; but it's suspect and needs testing/ elimination I think |
| 08:29.23 | IAmARelay | bullgard4, multiple drivers for various types of hardwares |
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| 08:29.45 | xingu | lymeca: it's the next thing to rule out if you follow; the other parts of the trace look ok /apart from/ the context switch rate which is amazingly high - and again may well be due to xen |
| 08:29.54 | IAmARelay | a single driver is impossible unless all the manufacturers agree on a specified form, like usb |
| 08:30.29 | xingu | lymeca: there's nothing wrong with skge; if the server hardware is identical and you're also not seeing interface errors then you can rule that out (the physical layer of networking) |
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| 08:31.49 | IAmARelay | bullgard4, look at this http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/hwmon/userspace-tools |
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| 08:32.48 | IAmARelay | you can say that hwmon is a project created to support hardware monitoring in linux |
| 08:34.01 | bullgard4 | http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/12733/ tells me: "...After this, we should be able to read sensor information..." I'm getting the answer: "No sensors found!" |
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| 08:35.49 | bullgard4 | IAmARelay: It could be that hwmon is a project. But 'hwmon' is more. It is a part of 40 filenames of my computer. It is also at least one directory. And it is probably even more. |
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| 08:36.12 | IAmARelay | well if you don't use it why would you care ? |
| 08:36.54 | bullgard4 | I want to use my operating system and my computer more intelligently. |
| 08:37.31 | IAmARelay | hwmon is used for monitoring. it provides access for userspace tools to the sensors data |
| 08:37.54 | IAmARelay | you should get that by now. I don't know how more intelligent you want that to be |
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| 08:38.20 | AmigoLu | for good soccer fans --> http://youtube.com/watch?v=hokq-7olthE |
| 08:38.27 | bullgard4 | IAmARelay: Yes I have read that. Tell me who does use hwmon? What userspace tools do you refer to? |
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| 08:38.41 | IAmARelay | read the docs please |
| 08:38.46 | xingu | bullgard4: http://lists.linuxcoding.com/kernel/2005-q2/msg24333.html |
| 08:38.46 | IAmARelay | they are all in there |
| 08:38.58 | IAmARelay | I have given you the link even |
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| 08:40.23 | wippeout | hello |
| 08:40.39 | xingu | bullgard4: at the end of the day the label (hwmon, previously i2c/lm-sensors) is irrelevant; the abstraction as stated is "hardware monitoring framework" and it boils down to a buttons-and-dials framework |
| 08:40.41 | wippeout | what's the best way to install the 3945 wifi drivers ? |
| 08:40.43 | bullgard4 | xingu: A very ingteresting article! Thank you very much for hinting me at it. |
| 08:40.53 | aeshyamae | gobuntu released....why there isnt debian?? |
| 08:41.24 | jatt | what? |
| 08:41.25 | xingu | bullgard4: the "gazillion files and directories" will be mostly the kernel driver portion (...lib/modules/.../hwmon/ or .../i2c/) and secondly the userspace portion (lm-sensors etc). |
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| 08:41.58 | aeshyamae | oooo sorry got to go will come later |
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| 08:42.16 | xingu | bullgard4: don't let it trouble you; post-hwmon, the goal is to expose the metrics that are measureable by the various drivers under sysfs (/sys/class/hwmon/...) |
| 08:42.58 | xingu | bullgard4: use-cases of this are typically gkrellm or gnome hardware sensors monitor applet |
| 08:44.10 | xingu | bullgard4: the rationale behind the separation is that there are other users of i2c (which is just a bus type) besides hardware/environmental health monitoring |
| 08:44.23 | bullgard4 | xingu: /sys/class/hwmon/ is empty. What can I infer from this fact? |
| 08:44.25 | xingu | bullgard4: dvb tuners for instance typically are wired to an i2c bus |
| 08:44.56 | xingu | bullgard4: you have no drivers supporting your hardware loaded, or, just no hardware to support. |
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| 08:46.26 | bullgard4 | xingu: But my computer reads the temperatures of the processor and the motherboard, and I can read them in the /proc hierarchy. |
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| 08:46.55 | xingu | bullgard4: that's probably being done via acpi |
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| 08:47.55 | xingu | bullgard4: you're entering the disinteresting-to-me part of this conversation which is "my particular hardware isn't supported by hwmon drivers or lm-sensors userspace" |
| 08:48.35 | xingu | bullgard4: good luck with that; the starting point is sensors-detect, and hours worth of google bashing looking for folk who have your hardware and a working config for. |
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| 08:50.14 | Jubeiii | is there a comand you can type to find out what sort of desktop your running, ex kde... gnome.. etc |
| 08:51.55 | tarzeau | Jubeiii: you can find out what's installed |
| 08:52.06 | tarzeau | Jubeiii: and well you can check the process list, using ps and grep |
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| 08:52.06 | ErkiDerLoony | There is a bug in the unstable repository. You cannot install the pidgin messenger from it because it says: "The following packages have unmet dependencies. pidgin: Depends: pidgin-data (< 2.0.1-z) but 2.0.2-1 is to be installed E: Broken packages" |
| 08:52.21 | xingu | Jubeiii: update-alternatives --display x-session-manager might be an acceptable proxy for. |
| 08:52.21 | tarzeau | Jubeiii: still someone could rename the gnome programs to kde and fool you |
| 08:52.35 | tarzeau | ErkiDerLoony: yes that's right |
| 08:52.39 | ArtVandalae | Hi are there any plans to add functionality to dpkg/apt-get/aptitude that's similar delta RPM or the conary packaging system, where it only downloads the modified parts of the package, and not the full package? |
| 08:52.48 | tarzeau | ErkiDerLoony: try again in a/two/three day(s) |
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| 08:53.01 | ErkiDerLoony | tarzeau: OK, thx. |
| 08:53.01 | tarzeau | ArtVandalae: i don't know of any such plans |
| 08:53.21 | bullgard4 | xingu: You are using a kind of English language which is difficult to follow to. -- I have done the program sensors-detect yesterday and about two month ago. Why do tell me that this is the starting point? |
| 08:53.28 | bullgard4 | do you |
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| 08:54.48 | xingu | bullgard4: the next part of this for you is to go and find, via google, someone who has the same hardware as you and a working setup and to borrow theirs; the alternative is to thoroughly review down to a chip level what hardware you actually have. |
| 08:55.11 | Jubeiii | xingu: sais startkde priority 40... gnome session 50 slave session xfce...... current `best` version is usr/bin/gnome-session so that means it running gnome? |
| 08:55.11 | xingu | bullgard4: either way this is not something I'm going to troubleshoot with you |
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| 08:55.22 | xingu | Jubeiii: that'd be my guess |
| 08:56.29 | Jubeiii | xingu: ty |
| 08:57.13 | montoya | I try to install new game alien-arena :D |
| 08:57.40 | dimir | Moin! |
| 08:57.45 | bullgard4 | xingu: I will carefully re-read what you have told me in order to enhance my knowledge in this area. Thank you for explaining. |
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| 09:22.32 | sebastian_ | can someone help me with this: http://segra007.thg.se/files/gnome-compiz-preferences-bugreport.txt |
| 09:22.39 | tarzeau | beavel: opera don't even run on 64bit systems |
| 09:22.51 | pumpkin0 | which pdf-viewer do you recommand for a low-end system ? evince seems a bit slow, but it works with all pdfs. |
| 09:23.02 | dondelelcaro | pumpkin0: xpdf works well too |
| 09:23.12 | beavel | I love it anyways |
| 09:23.37 | pumpkin0 | dondelelcaro: same support for "exotic" pdfs ? |
| 09:23.49 | dondelelcaro | pumpkin0: I haven't run into one which it doesn't display |
| 09:23.55 | dondelelcaro | or at least, not in quite some time |
| 09:24.02 | pumpkin0 | dondelelcaro: thanks, testing. |
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| 09:24.38 | sebastian_ | Could someone help me? |
| 09:24.42 | sebastian_ | http://segra007.thg.se/files/gnome-compiz-preferences-bugreport.txt |
| 09:25.15 | dondelelcaro | pumpkin0: considering that evince uses libpoppler which is the pdf rendering of xpdf ripped out, it shouldn't be too dissimilar. |
| 09:27.04 | pumpkin0 | dondelelcaro: sounds good. i want to strip down this system to the bare minimum for work. It is using a 1GB CF-card for HD, so size matters. And w/o evince i can dump 20MB worth gnome libs. xpdf seems a lot smaller. |
| 09:28.29 | vyrus001 | is there a way to install i386 apps on an x64 system? |
| 09:28.47 | valdyn | vyrus001: like what? |
| 09:29.35 | vyrus001 | valdyn, i cant run things like skype or flash because the binari's are 32bit or i386 type and i eather get dpkg ers saying the arcatecture type dosnt match or the bins dont work |
| 09:29.42 | LordCrimson | So, anybody had problems with jpegs in KDE recently?? |
| 09:30.17 | valdyn | vyrus001: use the .tar.gz for skype, not the deb or rpm, extract it at $HOME, just run it from there |
| 09:30.26 | valdyn | vyrus001: the STATICally linked .tar.gz |
| 09:30.40 | valdyn | vyrus001: maybe apt-get install ia32-libs too |
| 09:30.58 | valdyn | vyrus001: and for flash: |
| 09:31.00 | valdyn | !nspluginwrapper |
| 09:31.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is officially in *unstable*, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
| 09:31.19 | eisen | LordCrimson: no, works fine here |
| 09:31.52 | LordCrimson | eisen: seems, I'm alone with this problem. )) |
| 09:32.18 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 09:32.18 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 09:32.22 | valdyn | !tell LordCrimson -about ask |
| 09:33.37 | eisen | LordCrimson: it might help to know which update... |
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| 09:35.09 | LordCrimson | hm. Problem is solved. After deleting .kde everything began to work. |
| 09:35.31 | tictac | i was going to say --purge kde* :P |
| 09:35.45 | tictac | use something less resource intensive. |
| 09:35.54 | IAmARelay | like gnome ? heh |
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| 09:36.09 | tictac | hmm what an active part in the community he plays. |
| 09:36.17 | tictac | IAmARelay: like flux :P |
| 09:37.10 | vyrus001 | valdyn, thnx for the info... so far so good :D |
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| 09:52.25 | axos88 | Hello! I have the next sound configuration: http://pastebin.ca/620205 I might have some problem with the jack too, because If i insert halfly, i can heard the beeping sound, but the laptop speakers are not working at all |
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| 09:53.52 | cahoot | axos88, see if muting headphone makes speaker come to life |
| 09:54.20 | axos88 | muting headphone? i have no controls on the laptop itself for that |
| 09:54.33 | cahoot | axos88, alsamixer |
| 09:54.52 | axos88 | cahoot, ok... but that sounds wierd |
| 09:55.09 | cahoot | axos88, meh - look here: amixer set 'PC Speaker',0 100% off 100% of |
| 09:55.26 | cahoot | axos88, run alsamixer - unmute speakers |
| 09:55.36 | Gge | in /etc/apt/sources.list , what is the difference between "deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib" and "deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable main " ? |
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| 09:56.13 | Gge | what is the purpose of "non free contrib" ? |
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| 09:56.36 | Gge | which is not prsent in my sources.list ? |
| 09:56.49 | JeremyK | you're reading it wrong. |
| 09:56.58 | JeremyK | it's "non-free" and "contrib" not "non-free contrib" |
| 09:57.26 | JeremyK | those are just different package sets. non-free I believe is for stuff that's not under an OSI-compatible license |
| 09:57.37 | axos88 | cahoot, no its not working |
| 09:57.47 | cast | non-free violates DFSG, contrib depends on non-free stuff, AFAIK |
| 09:57.56 | Gge | JeremyK - Thx |
| 09:58.01 | cahoot | axos88, did you unmute speakers in alsamixer? |
| 09:58.40 | axos88 | yes of course |
| 09:58.47 | cahoot | axos88, if you had run debian invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 *should* fix it |
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| 10:00.15 | subx | ive put firmware inside /lib/firmware, rebooted my machine and checked dmesg but my device isnt being recongnized. The firmware was working ok on a previous install? because i installed a minimal etch install, am i missing something what reads firmware? |
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| 10:00.26 | axos88 | cahoot, okay, i ran that |
| 10:00.52 | axos88 | cahoot, still nothuing |
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| 10:01.35 | pumpkin0 | subx: module firmware_class is loaded ? |
| 10:01.42 | cahoot | axos88, aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav in a terminal - noise, error and/or silence? |
| 10:02.24 | subx | pumpkin0: no its not loaded |
| 10:02.35 | axos88 | cahoot, silence |
| 10:02.52 | pumpkin0 | subx: load it. w/o that kernel module no firmware is ever read... |
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| 10:03.12 | subx | pumpkin0: its not even on the list from: lsmod |
| 10:03.31 | pumpkin0 | subx: modprobe firmware-class ? |
| 10:04.21 | subx | sorry i got mixed up, lsmod just lists whats already there |
| 10:04.25 | subx | firmware_class 9600 0 |
| 10:04.36 | subx | thank you |
| 10:04.48 | pumpkin0 | subx: now modporbe the module used by your hardware. |
| 10:05.45 | subx | the tv card is a pci device but recognized as USB |
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| 10:06.12 | pumpkin0 | subx: ehm ? you sure ? what model ? |
| 10:06.23 | subx | this is what its listed as: |
| 10:06.28 | subx | lsusb |
| 10:06.30 | subx | Bus 008 Device 002: ID 2040:9950 Hauppauge |
| 10:06.38 | subx | lspci |
| 10:06.49 | subx | 02:0a.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 61) |
| 10:06.54 | felix | good morning |
| 10:07.02 | Guerin | li'l schoolgir; |
| 10:07.08 | Guerin | s/;/l/ |
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| 10:07.40 | felix | anybody has problems with Amarok?. suddenly (after an update/upgrade) it doesn't find the correct demux to decode mp3. :-S |
| 10:07.44 | subx | pumpkin0: maybe i can reboot the machine and it will auto detect? |
| 10:07.58 | Guerin | felix: couldn't expect an amarok user to recognise that tune |
| 10:08.01 | pumpkin0 | subx: the pci-thing is your USB-controller, the other thing is a normal USB TV-card. |
| 10:08.09 | pumpkin0 | subx: no, rebooting is for windows. |
| 10:08.15 | subx | ok :) |
| 10:09.13 | subx | pumpkin0: this is my card: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/WinTV-NOVA-T-500_PCI |
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| 10:10.26 | fantomas | Hi. Can I run xdm in listening XDMCP requests only mode without running local displays? |
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| 10:10.57 | pumpkin0 | subx: so you will need the kernel-modules listed here: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB_USB#DiBcom_USB2.0_DVB-T_devices_.28based_on_the_DiB0700.29 , dib7000m ... |
| 10:11.22 | subx | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB_USB#DiBcom_USB2.0_DVB-T_devices_.28based_on_the_DiB0700.29 , dib7000m ... |
| 10:11.25 | subx | sorry |
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| 10:12.11 | vorpal | anyone know of a terminal emulator that is *strictly* VT100 compliant? i have an old system that uses some esoteric escape sequences for menu generation, which apparently minicom does not understand |
| 10:12.39 | tarzeau | vorpal: xterm and terminal.app ? |
| 10:13.05 | tarzeau | you mean a serial terminal? minicom, cu? |
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| 10:13.25 | vorpal | yeah, serial terminal |
| 10:13.34 | xingu | vorpal: teraterm for win32 is one of the better ones; I hear that mindterm is passable these days too |
| 10:13.48 | subx | pumpkin0: thank you for help, i forgot to install the modules! |
| 10:14.17 | xingu | vorpal: I feel for you, I've had my arse kicked similarly in days of yore; a good vt100 emulator is worth its weight in err vt100's. |
| 10:14.29 | vorpal | ;-) |
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| 10:15.36 | xingu | vorpal: minicom isn't too bad, a lot of the linux console ones are crippled by the notion that passthrough via ncurses or the console tty driver is sufficient |
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| 10:16.20 | xingu | vorpal: ... and it clearly isn't. :) minicom does its best, but as you've found out, that isn't good enough with a sufficiently studly "client" app |
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| 10:17.37 | xingu | vorpal: you might get a different result running minicom on console, verses in xterm, verses in screen (on console or in xterm) |
| 10:17.55 | xingu | vorpal: if you're patient enough to test all the outcomes, one might work well enough |
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| 10:18.38 | vorpal | xingu: it's a bit unnerving for me, as a linux advocate, to not be able to find something that works better than hyperterminal for this particular application |
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| 10:18.54 | xingu | *hyperterminal* ? :) |
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| 10:19.05 | xingu | dear god; I hope you're talking about the upgraded version |
| 10:19.12 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 10:19.20 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 10:19.38 | vorpal | no, just the one that caomes with w2k |
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| 10:19.57 | xingu | vorpal: that has abysmal vt100 - are you sure you mean vt100 and not vt52? |
| 10:21.46 | xingu | vorpal: in any case, try runnu |
| 10:21.54 | xingu | vorpal: in any case, try running minicom under screen |
| 10:21.55 | vorpal | xingu: hmm, i may be wrong then |
| 10:22.30 | Penix | or gtkterm |
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| 10:22.56 | xingu | Penix: see that word "simple" in the package description? :) |
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| 10:23.23 | Penix | xingu: fine. judge a book by its cover then. |
| 10:23.54 | vorpal | xingu: thanks for the suggestions :-) |
| 10:23.55 | xingu | I judge books after I've had my arse handed back to me by topics they covered insufficiently between index and appendix. |
| 10:24.28 | Penix | err...ok |
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| 10:24.55 | xingu | Penix: gtkterm is yet another vte consumer; and libvte is ... incomplete. |
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| 10:26.44 | scanf | Hi. Is there a standard/supported/recommended PHP framework for regularly scanning a few server logs for security issues(i.e. how many email messages to invalid users in exim, how many failed SSH auth attempts, how many failed HTTP auth attempts, etc)? |
| 10:27.26 | scanf | Kind of a user-friendly security dashboard |
| 10:28.12 | petemc | if its php it would need to scan itself too... |
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| 10:29.13 | scanf | That's fine. Just something that can be accessed remotely and present this kind of data in a useable way |
| 10:29.46 | scanf | *something better than daily doing it byhand ;P |
| 10:29.56 | petemc | logcheck does that kind of thing, but doesnt have a web front end |
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| 10:30.21 | spheard | scanf; google log parser |
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| 10:31.42 | ma3x | hi |
| 10:32.00 | ma3x | how can I install debian from usb cdrom, hence my computer doesn't support usb boot |
| 10:32.05 | scanf | petermc: I'll look at logcheck, maybe the results can be piped to php include ;P |
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| 10:33.17 | xingu | scanf: php has a system command yeah? :) |
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| 10:33.20 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: do you have bootable floppy ? |
| 10:33.21 | spheard | scanf, splunk might do a bit of what you ask. There are licencing limitations tho |
| 10:33.31 | ma3x | pumpkin0, nope |
| 10:33.48 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: anything bootable except the HD ? |
| 10:33.48 | xingu | ma3x: is there any kind of a bootable image on the system at the moment? |
| 10:33.57 | scanf | petemc: ah this is fine... email facility ok :) |
| 10:34.34 | ma3x | pumpkin0, nope, usb external drive is the only thing |
| 10:34.59 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: how did that box boot before ? |
| 10:35.18 | ma3x | pumpkin0, it had a working internal cdrom |
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| 10:36.11 | ma3x | pumpkin0, i'm not too sure if it boots from the usb cdrom. how do i check |
| 10:36.13 | xingu | ma3x: should be possible to attach an ata flash disk to the cdrom connector |
| 10:36.39 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: so there is only the HD (w/o something installed) and a non-bootable USB-CD ? Download the netinstall CD and try ? |
| 10:37.30 | ma3x | how do i attach that flash disk? you mean usb flash? |
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| 10:38.04 | xingu | ma3x: no, I mean ata flash disk; screwdriver, open case, find connector for cdrom, attach something else to it. |
| 10:38.05 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: USB-stick ? the little 512MB-4GB thumbdrive-things ? |
| 10:38.19 | ma3x | yeah pumpkin0 |
| 10:38.33 | ma3x | xingu, I understand. wouldn't do that to this nice sony cdrw |
| 10:38.48 | xingu | ma3x: does the cdrw still work? |
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| 10:38.57 | ma3x | if i find a floppy drive later, what image(s) should i download? only boot.img? |
| 10:39.08 | ma3x | or are the cd-drivers and net-drivers necessary too? |
| 10:39.08 | scanf | petemc: logcheck seems to do a lot what I was looking for... email is fine.. now just make sure it's configured in cron :) |
| 10:39.29 | xingu | ma3x: you can just put the usb boot media onto a cdrw if the drive still functions |
| 10:39.35 | ma3x | im planning to install via cable modem which is connected via usb cable (debian supports it) |
| 10:39.53 | ma3x | xingu, sure it works |
| 10:40.21 | xingu | ma3x: so boot, then copy the usb boot media onto the hdd in what will /later/ become your swap partition, reboot from the hdd... |
| 10:40.23 | ma3x | anyway, are all of the floppy images necessary? |
| 10:40.41 | ma3x | boot.img cd-drivers.img net-drivers-1.img net-drivers-2.img root.img ? |
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| 10:41.22 | scanf | Oh nice, log check already comes with a default cron entry... very nice packaging ... |
| 10:41.35 | ma3x | xingu, if I do that - format the hdd and then copy netinst.iso to the ext2 partition, it will boot> |
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| 10:42.33 | ma3x | xingu, what do I need to do? create swap and copy it there? |
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| 10:43.11 | wols | what other remote connection options are there for controlling X remotely execp x11vnc? note: the remote session must continue to run when I'm not connected |
| 10:43.30 | xingu | ma3x: yep; set the partition "active" (that's all the standard dos MBR looks for) then dd the iso onto it. |
| 10:43.56 | xingu | ma3x: the bios will load it as if it were a big floppy (in a nutshell that's how el-torito works) |
| 10:45.16 | ma3x | xingu, and how do I clear the current grub loader? |
| 10:45.17 | xingu | ma3x: nb it won't be an ext2 partition - it'll be an el-torito image (boot "floppy" plus iso) |
| 10:45.53 | xingu | ma3x: if you've still got a win98 based recovery floppy or install cdrom around - boot it, fdisk /mbr |
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| 10:46.59 | ma3x | xingu, can I clear it from debian? |
| 10:47.28 | xingu | ma3x: the "mbr" bootloader will suffice and I think that package has "install-mbr" helper |
| 10:49.16 | ma3x | xingu, I can clear it with install-mbr? |
| 10:49.34 | xingu | ma3x: yep; nb, you do this, your existing hdd image becomes seriously toast. |
| 10:50.16 | xingu | ma3x: the "mbr" bootloader will let you boot from any partition or from the "floppy" (anything int0x13 can find) just as an added bonus |
| 10:50.24 | ma3x | ok thanks |
| 10:50.36 | xingu | ma3x: just hold down the shift key at boot, you should get a prompt that says 1234FA or whatever. |
| 10:51.12 | xingu | ma3x: mbr has docco and a config file/utility (that install-mbr parses); probably a good idea to unlock/activate everything then rerun install-mbr |
| 10:51.39 | ma3x | thanks a lot |
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| 10:53.15 | yangvnc | I am wondering in which package exists a tool "ip menu" http://users.pandora.be/stes/ipmenu.html |
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| 10:54.36 | xingu | yangvnc: looks too much like SMIT to me |
| 10:54.57 | xingu | yangvnc: looks like it might be abandonware... |
| 10:55.25 | yangvnc | xingu: outdated you say? |
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| 10:56.01 | yangvnc | xingu: do you know another menu tool for managing iptables? |
| 10:56.11 | xingu | yangvnc: circa 2001? probably; iptables itself is long dead. |
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| 10:57.42 | xingu | hmm, terminology abuse; ipchains is dead, iptables is a tool, the project is now netfilter and the filtering module "xtables" |
| 10:58.10 | xingu | yangvnc: have you tried just grabbing and building it? |
| 10:58.35 | yangvnc | xingu: no i havent build anything, i am using iptables default |
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| 11:00.12 | spheard | If I have a debian 3.1 install, is there a way I can bring it up to the latest stable 4.0? |
| 11:00.42 | tarzeau | spheard: sure |
| 11:00.51 | tarzeau | spheard: that is why people use debian |
| 11:01.00 | tarzeau | spheard: because suse can not upgrade between versions |
| 11:01.24 | securi | can anyone see the following site? http://172.200.184.137 |
| 11:01.26 | spheard | tarzeau: sweet! what do I use? apt-get upgrade all only does security I tink |
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| 11:01.42 | spheard | Welcome To Securicore Test Web Server! |
| 11:01.50 | wthww | Has anyone here ran debian on a 68k mac? |
| 11:01.56 | tarzeau | !sarge->etch |
| 11:01.56 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security> |
| 11:02.24 | tarzeau | wthww: i've never seen it on a 68k mac, but on an amiga 68k |
| 11:02.32 | wthww | ah |
| 11:02.51 | wthww | I ran across a guy making a bootloader calle EMILE that boots it native, cool as shit |
| 11:02.55 | wthww | even off of CDs |
| 11:03.04 | wthww | and I'm havin gissues installing it. |
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| 11:04.21 | xingu | yangvnc: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=342754 |
| 11:04.37 | wthww | http://emile.sourceforge.net/ to be exact |
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| 11:08.15 | yangvnc | xingu: oh, too bad |
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| 11:09.35 | yangvnc | xingu: do you know why the DROP rule doesnt work out? |
| 11:09.42 | yangvnc | iptables -D -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 222.22.59.220 --dport 2022 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.37:22 |
| 11:09.59 | yangvnc | that was the rule, I only added -D at the beggining |
| 11:10.24 | simonrvn | that's not a DROP rule... |
| 11:11.37 | cast | hmm, -D -A doesn't error? |
| 11:11.54 | simonrvn | -D delete, -A append |
| 11:12.48 | yangvnc | iptables -D -A -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 222.22.59.220 --dport 2022 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.37:22 |
| 11:12.57 | cast | no. |
| 11:13.28 | simonrvn | man iptables; iptables --help |
| 11:14.04 | yangvnc | Yeah i wonder what a "chain" looks like |
| 11:14.29 | simonrvn | you can't use -A and -D at the same time... |
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| 11:15.21 | thug | to stop the hdd being checked for error on boot i need to put " 0 0 " at the end of the entry in fstab ?> |
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| 11:15.44 | cast | thug: man fstab |
| 11:15.46 | wols | thug: no. if you unmount uncleanly it gets checked. no matter what |
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| 11:15.52 | yangvnc | seems like -D isn't compatible with -t nat either |
| 11:16.02 | wols | and if you don't check it when it's needed you risk data loss |
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| 11:16.09 | thug | wols shit then .... ios there anyway to stop that ? |
| 11:16.25 | wols | thug: not if you want to avoid lost data |
| 11:16.39 | wols | thug: the question becomes: why is it always checking disk on startup? |
| 11:16.49 | simonrvn | man iptables; iptables --help |
| 11:16.50 | thug | wols just answer my question please ... can i stop it or not ? |
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| 11:17.16 | wols | yes you can and no I won't tell you. we won't be culpable of your data loss |
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| 11:17.38 | thug | wols its a bad speed hdd it will take days until its finish being checked .... its not the main hdd |
| 11:17.57 | wols | I don't care. if it works properly, you only have to do it once |
| 11:18.00 | thug | wols lol ... dont worry about me data just tell me how do i disable it |
| 11:18.13 | wols | thug: go away |
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| 11:18.53 | thug | it doesnt work properly .... its a bad speed hdd . when i boot the pc with the hdd attached tales me over 2 min .. without not even 1 .... |
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| 11:23.17 | cast | thug: remove it from fstab |
| 11:23.39 | thug | remove what ? the 0 1 ? |
| 11:24.13 | jetscreamer | change the 1 to a zero |
| 11:24.26 | jetscreamer | to not have it fsck the drive |
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| 11:24.43 | thug | ok |
| 11:24.49 | thug | thanks |
| 11:24.53 | Sandreas | hello |
| 11:25.00 | thug | what about " tune2fs -c 30 /dev/## " ? |
| 11:25.26 | jetscreamer | no idea you can break stuff with the wrong thing like that maybe |
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| 11:28.00 | Sandreas | im trying to compile a driver for my isdn-device. in the readme it sais that the kernel-sources have to be installed and that they are found in /lib/modules/<kernelversion>/build. i used the kernel-package-system of debian but it installed the kernel on /usr/src/, as explained in documentation... is the /lib/modules path generated after compiling the kernel? |
| 11:29.12 | simonrvn | that build/ is just a symlink |
| 11:29.24 | simonrvn | to the source tree you built it from |
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| 11:29.55 | Sandreas | nice. so i can generate a symlink and point on the sources i use... so it would work? |
| 11:30.27 | simonrvn | it does it already if you use k-p |
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| 11:31.11 | h3sp4wn | build is a symlink to the headers |
| 11:32.11 | h3sp4wn | or should be |
| 11:32.26 | Sandreas | if i use apt-get install kernel-package, the symlink "build" isnt generated... |
| 11:33.06 | simonrvn | headers? *checks* |
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| 11:33.41 | simonrvn | oh yes, source/ is the tree... |
| 11:33.57 | simonrvn | Sandreas: no, it shouldn't be either |
| 11:34.16 | Sandreas | mmh im trying to compile a kernel for the first time.. so what do you mean with headers? the kernel headers its clear but isnt it in the /usr/src directory? |
| 11:35.03 | jetscreamer | kernel package is for building the kernel |
| 11:35.11 | simonrvn | i just woke up ;p |
| 11:35.19 | jetscreamer | apt-get install linux-source-whatever |
| 11:35.28 | vorpal | Sandreas: if you didn't build the kernel package on your system, then build and source links will not be created. they are used when trying to build additional modules against your current kernel |
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| 11:35.41 | jetscreamer | unzip it and then you get to make stuff |
| 11:35.57 | jetscreamer | !kp |
| 11:35.57 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 11:36.20 | jetscreamer | !tell Sandreas -about make-kpkg |
| 11:36.26 | jetscreamer | !tell Sandreas -about kp mantra |
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| 11:36.38 | jetscreamer | !tell Sandreas -about initrd |
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| 11:37.50 | jetscreamer | i'm just going to sleep |
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| 11:38.15 | simonrvn | g'night jet |
| 11:38.21 | Sandreas | well so the kernel has to be compiled to get the build symlink... thats all i wanted to know:) |
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| 11:39.15 | Sandreas | thanx. ill try to compile the sources and look what would happen |
| 11:40.19 | vorpal | is linux-kernel-headers adequate for building modules? i was under the impression you needed the entire build tree |
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| 11:41.27 | sebastian | damn I really want Compiz-fusion... And the easyest way is to do distupgrade to Sid.. But Sid is maybe a bit to unstable tbh.. |
| 11:41.29 | sebastian | :/ |
| 11:41.34 | sebastian | Or what do you guys say? |
| 11:41.37 | man_in_ltop | i'm having some trouble with a bluetooth mouse |
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| 11:42.05 | man_in_ltop | after a while if i haven't used it, it seems like hidd shuts down or something |
| 11:42.50 | man_in_ltop | sebastian, compiz-fusion in sid? :| |
| 11:42.56 | simonrvn | sebastian: not a good enough reason |
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| 11:43.12 | sebastian | man_in_ltop, Yeah, if you add a speciall repo |
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| 11:43.21 | sebastian | simonrvn, I guess :/ |
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| 11:43.43 | sebastian | But all the latest stuff that you want is always in Sid first and its easyest in sid.. |
| 11:43.44 | simonrvn | sid is for beta testing and fixing bugs |
| 11:43.49 | peter_ | my Iceweasel dont want to open, it gives me error that another iceweasel is running |
| 11:43.54 | simonrvn | sebastian: duh |
| 11:44.04 | sebastian | peter_, "killall firefox-bin |
| 11:44.04 | man_in_ltop | compiz-fusion still doesn't have a real release |
| 11:44.04 | simonrvn | 'easiest' |
| 11:44.05 | sebastian | " |
| 11:44.21 | eisen | I'm confused about the nvidia packages in testing. Which one is the right one to install? Or should I just go with the installer from the site? |
| 11:44.29 | man_in_ltop | sebastian, you can always compile from git ... :) |
| 11:44.41 | man_in_ltop | eisen, what card do you have? |
| 11:44.47 | eisen | geforce 4 |
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| 11:44.56 | sebastian | eisen, If you want to reinstall the driver everytime you reboot; Do the installer from nvidia.. if not, do apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 11:45.06 | man_in_ltop | eisen, ti series? |
| 11:45.12 | h3sp4wn | eisen: You need to build a new kernel or it won't work |
| 11:45.13 | sebastian | man_in_ltop, I'm not that "smart" I guess.. |
| 11:45.15 | eisen | I see, so it did not change after all then |
| 11:45.22 | sebastian | I don't know how got works |
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| 11:45.31 | vyrus001 | is there a way to tell my compiler to make a 32 bit version of a bin? |
| 11:45.40 | eisen | ah, there's no module package for the testing kernel then |
| 11:45.44 | sebastian | vyrus001, download the 32bit source |
| 11:46.05 | h3sp4wn | eisen: testing uses 2.6.21 ? (I am not sure) |
| 11:46.10 | eisen | yes |
| 11:46.10 | sebastian | Yeah.. |
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| 11:46.18 | eisen | and it's a ti |
| 11:46.20 | vyrus001 | sebastian, im quite sure the config file determans my system arch type and makes the 64 bit version because thats my arch |
| 11:46.21 | sebastian | But nvidia and 2.6.21 is really not a good idea.. |
| 11:46.28 | eisen | oh |
| 11:46.28 | tarzeau | sebastian: why not? |
| 11:46.39 | sebastian | tarzeau, I cant get it to work anyways.. |
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| 11:46.43 | h3sp4wn | sebastian: Its perfectly fine you just have to disable paravirtual ops |
| 11:46.44 | tarzeau | sebastian: debian way? |
| 11:47.00 | sebastian | tarzeau, nope.. |
| 11:47.02 | man_in_ltop | eisen, if there is no nvidia-kernel package for your kernel, install nvidia-kernel-source, build-essential, the linux-headers package for your kernel, and module-assistant |
| 11:47.06 | sebastian | sh NVIDIA thingy |
| 11:47.06 | eisen | what the hell are paravirtual ops? |
| 11:47.12 | tarzeau | sebastian: debian kernel? |
| 11:47.29 | sebastian | tarzeau, the testing kernel 2.6.21 blabla |
| 11:47.32 | sebastian | But I stick to 2.6.18 |
| 11:47.41 | man_in_ltop | eisen, once all that's installed, run: m-a a-i nvidia. this will build and install the kernel drivers, then you can aptitude install nvidia-glx |
| 11:47.42 | tarzeau | sebastian: i386 or amd64? |
| 11:47.49 | sebastian | tarzeau, i686 |
| 11:47.52 | eisen | I'd prefer the debian way, but I can go manual. It sucks because I _will_ forget to rerun the module make |
| 11:48.07 | man_in_ltop | eisen, i just gave you instructions that will work though |
| 11:48.10 | tarzeau | sebastian: does grep PARA /boot/config-`uname -r` say something? |
| 11:48.16 | eisen | man_in_ltop: thanks |
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| 11:48.26 | tarzeau | eisen: i do it all automatic :) |
| 11:48.38 | sebastian | tarzeau, CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX_BOOTPARAM=y |
| 11:48.38 | sebastian | CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX_BOOTPARAM_VALUE |
| 11:48.39 | sebastian | that |
| 11:48.47 | tarzeau | sebastian: probably those are causing problems yes |
| 11:48.50 | sebastian | ops.. "VALUE=0" |
| 11:48.54 | eisen | oh my, nvidia-kernel-sources does not seem to exist here |
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| 11:49.05 | tarzeau | sebastian: wait not those, but this # CONFIG_PARAVIRT is not set |
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| 11:49.31 | tarzeau | eisen: they work with the latest 88xx nvidia hardware already? |
| 11:49.48 | eisen | I only have old hw |
| 11:49.52 | eisen | don't know |
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| 11:50.23 | man_in_ltop | eisen, nvidia-kernel-source, not nvidia-kernel-sources |
| 11:50.39 | eisen | same |
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| 11:50.49 | man_in_ltop | eisen, and come to think of it, you don't actually need to install that package if you install module-assistant, as that can automatically install it for you :) |
| 11:51.14 | eisen | it's run usually on kernel upgrades iirc |
| 11:51.32 | eisen | still I don't have it in my repo |
| 11:51.44 | eisen | it's still non-free? |
| 11:52.00 | eisen | or did the stanza change in some way? |
| 11:52.18 | sebastian | I really hate Linux some times... Like, why doesn't things ju work "right out of the box" |
| 11:52.27 | sebastian | just* |
| 11:52.34 | valdyn | !whine |
| 11:52.34 | dpkg | i heard whine is saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
| 11:52.42 | sebastian | lol |
| 11:52.43 | sebastian | wtf |
| 11:52.50 | eisen | it wouldn't be fun without the extra work |
| 11:52.54 | eisen | :P |
| 11:52.58 | sebastian | Yeah.. |
| 11:53.02 | sebastian | but still.. |
| 11:53.13 | valdyn | eisen: its in non-free |
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| 11:53.20 | sebastian | Its lame to like sit and w8 10 days till like VLC comes.. |
| 11:53.22 | eisen | that's why I decided to track testing now. Etch is so boooring ;-) |
| 11:53.29 | man_in_ltop | eisen, i nvidia* is in non-free, yes |
| 11:53.36 | tarzeau | sebastian: you can use one of the other 10 players? |
| 11:53.51 | sebastian | tarzeau, non of em is as good as VLC |
| 11:53.52 | eisen | I don't see it though, only the nvidia-kernel* packages |
| 11:53.58 | valdyn | eisen: its broken with testings kernel too ( if that is 2.6.21 ) |
| 11:53.59 | tarzeau | sebastian: mplayer is not the best? |
| 11:54.18 | eisen | valdyn: oh now :-( |
| 11:54.26 | eisen | no* |
| 11:54.29 | valdyn | sebastian: why are you not using stable though? |
| 11:54.35 | sebastian | tarzeau, Sure mplayer is good.. but its so bad cause you have to read a 100 page manual to find every small things thats good |
| 11:54.40 | eisen | how will I play ut2004 now? ;-) |
| 11:55.03 | tarzeau | sebastian: that's why there's gmplayer ? |
| 11:55.05 | sebastian | valdyn, cause Its takes like a year until the fun stuff like compiz and that shit comes.. |
| 11:55.20 | sebastian | tarzeau, gmplayer o_O |
| 11:55.22 | valdyn | sebastian: compiz is in etch |
| 11:55.32 | row- | where can I find a list of packages the laptop software group installs on the debian installer? |
| 11:55.37 | tarzeau | sebastian: the gui to mplayer? |
| 11:55.42 | valdyn | sebastian: you cant have well tested bleeding edge software. |
| 11:55.43 | eisen | I don't care about that xgl fluff, but I'd like to have a current kde |
| 11:55.54 | sebastian | valdyn, But I still want compiz-fusion and that nice stuff |
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| 11:56.24 | sebastian | valdyn, and compiz in Etch and testing is like old.. 0.3.6 or whatever.. |
| 11:56.26 | sebastian | thats old |
| 11:56.39 | valdyn | sebastian: there's always new untested things, no one is going to conjur stable new stuff out of his black hat ;) |
| 11:56.49 | eisen | and before I start with backports I can also switch to testing entirely. It's as likely to break. |
| 11:57.02 | sebastian | valdyn, blabla! xP |
| 11:57.05 | valdyn | sebastian: yea, the version number fetishest will find it old, the common user wont notice a difference |
| 11:57.15 | valdyn | sebastian: because there's about none |
| 11:57.28 | eisen | I tend to stumble on bugs that are fixed in newer versions. It's my karma |
| 11:57.39 | tarzeau | eisen: testing? |
| 11:57.42 | sebastian | valdyn, But still, 0.3.6 is not the stable! Thats like oldstable.. 0.4 is stable.. so why isn't that in the repos? |
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| 11:58.04 | eisen | tarzeau: on *old* packages in etch. |
| 11:58.12 | eisen | but mostly I was just bored with etch |
| 11:58.19 | sebastian | tarzeau, good that gmplayer is in the repos then xP |
| 11:58.21 | sebastian | E: Couldn't find package gmplayer |
| 11:58.24 | valdyn | sebastian: because newer compiz zombiefies itself |
| 11:58.27 | eisen | it's not that I do much productivity work on this machine anyway |
| 11:58.27 | valdyn | sebastian: its broken |
| 11:58.28 | eisen | :P |
| 11:58.31 | tarzeau | sebastian: i'm glad i build my own better mplayer package :) |
| 11:58.37 | tarzeau | sebastian: try --enable-gui |
| 11:58.45 | sebastian | tarzeau, ah.. |
| 11:58.47 | tarzeau | sebastian: there's bug reports on bugs.debian.org/mplayer about it |
| 11:58.54 | tarzeau | sebastian: i have no idea why the debian maintainer doesn't build the gui |
| 11:58.58 | valdyn | tarzeau: debians mplayer has no gui? |
| 11:59.00 | tarzeau | sebastian: i also need the mencoder stuff |
| 11:59.07 | tarzeau | valdyn: yeah it has no mencoder too. it sucks |
| 11:59.13 | valdyn | tarzeau: there's still debian-multimedia.org |
| 11:59.17 | tarzeau | valdyn: sucks too |
| 11:59.28 | valdyn | tarzeau: worsk for me |
| 11:59.29 | tarzeau | mohaned: and lame too? |
| 11:59.30 | eisen | so, in summary, what are the chances to get nvidia going on testing? And what's the best approach, vendor install or package? |
| 11:59.36 | tarzeau | valdyn: not for me, that's why i build my own (works for me) |
| 11:59.45 | valdyn | eisen: dont use a 2.6.21 kernel |
| 11:59.49 | tarzeau | eisen: i always use the vendor installer |
| 11:59.49 | mohaned | yeah |
| 12:00.09 | valdyn | eisen: i dont think using the vendor installer fixes anything there |
| 12:00.11 | eisen | valdyn: damn, not the answer I had hoped for |
| 12:00.12 | tarzeau | mohaned: /me too, unless i play music with opencubicplayer (it has its own mp3 decoding) |
| 12:00.14 | valdyn | eisen: ( not sure ) |
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| 12:00.36 | valdyn | eisen: edit the right file in the nvidia source code and make the LICENSE 'gpl' |
| 12:00.41 | valdyn | eisen: that should be easy too |
| 12:00.53 | eisen | would that be legal? |
| 12:01.08 | valdyn | eisen: sure |
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| 12:01.15 | valdyn | eisen: distributing would be illigal |
| 12:01.25 | eisen | I see |
| 12:01.53 | valdyn | eisen: probably not even then, in most countries |
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| 12:02.18 | eisen | I don't plan on distributing |
| 12:02.22 | sebastian | tarzeau, but still.. mplayer with gui sucked.. If I play a avi movie it complains about som (vo) shit.. and crashes.. |
| 12:02.33 | mohaned | Are there any docs that document bluetooth under Debian? |
| 12:02.39 | sebastian | so VLC is still the ultimate player |
| 12:02.41 | sebastian | ;) |
| 12:02.41 | eisen | mplayer is way too crash happy imho |
| 12:03.00 | tarzeau | sebastian: mplayer gui for os x is nice |
| 12:03.02 | mohaned | Mplayer seems to run fine on here. |
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| 12:03.16 | sebastian | mohaned, playing .avi files? |
| 12:03.22 | mohaned | no |
| 12:03.33 | valdyn | sebastian: that's a crash? are you sure you're not seeing it quit cleanly with a nice error message? |
| 12:03.34 | mohaned | oh it crashed the few times I played aVI files, especially when I started seeking around the file. |
| 12:03.47 | sebastian | valdyn, I can check again |
| 12:04.06 | valdyn | sebastian: -vo = video out, 'mplayer -vo help' |
| 12:04.22 | valdyn | sebastian: there's some place in the gui to set this i guess, i dont use the gui evre though |
| 12:04.27 | eisen | valdyn: it would just leave a foul taste to somehow spoil the gpl. That's why I asked. I couldn't care less about the nvidia license on the other hand ;-) |
| 12:04.33 | sebastian | error opening/initialixing the selected vidoe_out -vo device |
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| 12:04.40 | dieosic | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.01 | mohaned | bbs |
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| 12:05.15 | valdyn | eisen: you can 'fix' the gpl_only symbol in the kernel source too, and recompile the kernel. That's just more work. |
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| 12:05.25 | dieosic | anyone know? million thanks |
| 12:05.27 | valdyn | eisen: ^^^ is what's done in 2.6.22 |
| 12:06.26 | eisen | well, I'll try the vendor installer first and see. I can't find the nvidia sources package somehow. |
| 12:06.29 | valdyn | sebastian: so you want to run 'mplayer -vo help' and use a video out that actually works. |
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| 12:06.45 | valdyn | sebastian: / that is supported in your system |
| 12:06.48 | eisen | and if all fails I use nv and just don't play for a while :P |
| 12:07.00 | eisen | fonts look crisper with it anyway |
| 12:07.56 | peter_ | sebastian, in mplayer you got properthies... there is "video tab", there you can change video_out |
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| 12:08.35 | sebastian | yeah i know |
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| 12:09.09 | dieosic | which debian package has the perl module htmltext |
| 12:09.24 | peter_ | sebastian, you have to know that mplayer dosent supports all of movies. For example I have 3 DVD that dont work with it. |
| 12:09.41 | valdyn | peter_: that's a pebkac |
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| 12:10.02 | peter_ | valdyn, dont know thats pebkac |
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| 12:10.29 | peter_ | !pebkac |
| 12:10.30 | dpkg | it has been said that pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 12:11.02 | peter_ | valdyn, :) some movies on dvd works with mplayer, other dont... |
| 12:11.05 | sebastian | sbs - skit bakom spakarna == in English == "Crap behind the stearingwheel" |
| 12:11.06 | sebastian | ;) |
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| 12:11.31 | sebastian | Layer 8 in the OSI model is also great ;) |
| 12:11.37 | valdyn | peter_: that's what you obviously think, but i think you're just not giving the right commands, mplayer doesnt do that much 'automagically' |
| 12:11.57 | sebastian | valdyn, mplayer does nothing automaticlly |
| 12:12.26 | valdyn | !layer 8 |
| 12:12.42 | sebastian | !layer 8 |
| 12:12.43 | peter_ | valdyn, meaby, but I have movies on dvd that are working, and others not... meaby it isnt problem of mplayer, but how dvd menu was created, but under windows XP it works fine. |
| 12:12.44 | sebastian | what |
| 12:12.45 | sebastian | xP |
| 12:12.49 | sebastian | OSI modell++ |
| 12:13.05 | valdyn | peter_: uh, menu? mplayer doesnt play menus |
| 12:13.14 | sebastian | exactly |
| 12:13.20 | sebastian | ogle is good for menues |
| 12:13.30 | valdyn | sebastian: maybe you want to try xine |
| 12:13.31 | peter_ | valdyn, yes, it isnt, that can be one of the reason it isnt working as good as it should |
| 12:13.47 | valdyn | sebastian: i think it looks butt ugly, but functionality wise its fine |
| 12:14.18 | peter_ | valdyn, about xine, have you tried to launch "text in movie" on it? |
| 12:14.29 | peter_ | ach "subtitles" |
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| 12:15.40 | sebastian | Lets stop it! VLC is the best player ever, end of discussion XD |
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| 12:17.21 | peter_ | sebastian, not rl ;) I mean, in my opinion |
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| 12:18.01 | sebastian | btw, could someone help me to get gnome-conpiz-thingy to work again? |
| 12:18.02 | sebastian | http://segra007.thg.se/files/gnome-compiz-preferences-bugreport.txt |
| 12:18.25 | sebastian | cause i made some changes in the gconf and that program can probably not run because of that |
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| 12:23.26 | peter_ | valdyn, and? |
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| 12:26.11 | peter_ | yh |
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| 12:32.05 | numer_ | is anyone using kannel and can't get run_kannel_box to start bearerbox and smsbox to run as daemon |
| 12:32.28 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 12:32.28 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 12:39.37 | Thursley | is there a way to not let gparted scan for devices at startup? it's failing to open something and keeps scanning forever |
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| 12:40.36 | cast | back with sarge and xfree86, i used to be able to login, run startx, go back to tty1, hit ctrl-z and logout and keep the x session, how can i do that now with etch and xorg? |
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| 12:42.05 | mancubus | cast, if I understand you. You what use console and WM. Use alt+Fx to switch tty and alt+F7 for window manager |
| 12:42.23 | mancubus | what == want |
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| 12:44.38 | cast | mancubus: well, yes. but i want to logout of ttyX and keep the x session running |
| 12:44.52 | phogg | cast: it should work the same |
| 12:45.01 | phogg | cast: disown, perhaps |
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| 12:45.33 | mancubus | cast, no problem ctrl+D close TTY session. |
| 12:45.34 | phogg | cast: you would need to not just suspend the job but background it, in any case |
| 12:46.13 | cast | hmm |
| 12:46.49 | cast | ahh thanks, startx & does what i want :) |
| 12:47.04 | cast | not sure how ctrl-z ctrl-d working with sarge though |
| 12:47.11 | cast | worked |
| 12:47.11 | Zynx | Hi, i just installed Linux for the very first time. I am following a guide (installing GFX drivers). One of the first things is to press ctrl+alt+F1. But when i try to enter the terminal all i get is a black screen. My computer says a single bip each ~30 sec. Anyone got time to help a newbie? :) |
| 12:47.48 | phogg | cast: that would always have worked, but X would be stopped until you signaled it to wake up. |
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| 12:48.55 | cast | phogg: well, it worked fine |
| 12:48.55 | phogg | Zynx: try ctrl+alt+fn, where n is the numbers 2 through 6, and see if you get a login prompt on any of those. Really, though, you do not *need* to be outside of X to install graphics drivers. |
| 12:49.11 | phogg | cast: that is extremely disturbing. |
| 12:49.16 | cast | phogg: maybe because you're only suspending the startx script and not X? i do not know how/why |
| 12:49.31 | Zynx | i just tried to install it from a terminal inside of X. The drivers told me to shutdown X :( |
| 12:49.38 | phogg | cast: perhaps |
| 12:49.53 | phogg | Zynx: they like to play it safe. |
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| 12:50.25 | phogg | Zynx: you only need X to be down when removing old the module in perperation for inserting the new version of the module |
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| 12:51.43 | phogg | Zynx: do you use [gkx]dm? If so, stop it (/etc/init.d/gdm stop) then exit your window manager (or kill X, CTRL+ALT+Backspace). Now you should *really* be at a console. |
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| 12:52.00 | Zynx | Thanks :) ill try |
| 12:52.04 | Diilbert | is there a what to install a specific version of a package ? |
| 12:52.56 | phogg | Diilbert: yes. |
| 12:53.24 | phogg | Diilbert: aptitude install foo=version |
| 12:53.38 | phogg | or apt-get, if you prefer |
| 12:54.05 | Zynx | as soon as i use the /etc/init.d/gdm stop command i am back at the black screen |
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| 12:54.25 | the_sniff | whats the diff between aptitude and apt? |
| 12:54.31 | Zynx | and the bip sound each 30 sec ;) |
| 12:54.34 | amphi | Zynx: black screen? |
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| 12:55.04 | Zynx | Yes, just a black screen |
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| 12:56.02 | Zynx | Is there a way i can load my machine without starting X at all? |
| 12:56.10 | phogg | Zynx: of course |
| 12:56.34 | phogg | Zynx: don't have a display manager started at your runlevel |
| 12:56.58 | cahoot | Zynx, boot the safemode option |
| 12:57.27 | cahoot | AKA sinlge user |
| 12:57.32 | phogg | Zynx: out of curiosity... what does your inittab look like? |
| 12:57.33 | cahoot | meh |
| 12:57.52 | Zynx | Starting single user mode... |
| 12:58.12 | Zynx | inittab? ;) |
| 12:58.52 | wols | Zynx: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 13:01.20 | Zynx | wols: ? in a terminal? |
| 13:01.36 | wols | in channel |
| 13:01.43 | the_sniff | is there an easy way to downgrade from an apt-get |
| 13:01.44 | the_sniff | ? |
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| 13:01.56 | wols | the_sniff: only manually via dpkg -i |
| 13:02.03 | wols | the_sniff: /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 13:02.12 | the_sniff | thanks |
| 13:03.50 | spheard | !key |
| 13:03.50 | dpkg | i guess key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
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| 13:04.45 | the_sniff | is there a way to check what got updated because of my last apt-get install openssh-server? |
| 13:04.55 | Zynx | Even if i try to change user i get to the black screen. Perhaps i chould try a reinstall :| |
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| 13:05.03 | tsurko | hello, is there a way to have more than one virtual channel for the sound card? I mean to have many applications use the card in the same time? |
| 13:05.15 | cahoot | dmix |
| 13:05.19 | Diilbert | phogg: thanks |
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| 13:05.32 | assasukasse | hi all, how do i defrag ext3? (if its needed...) |
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| 13:05.57 | Arafangion | assasukasse: It's almost never needed. |
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| 13:06.37 | assasukasse | Arafangion: ah good to know...i am just done a long defrag of my "storage" partition in xfs..nice online defrag, but i've never been more scared while doing :D |
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| 13:06.48 | Hangman | hi |
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| 13:09.08 | Nyle | hey yo |
| 13:09.13 | Nyle | good morning |
| 13:09.21 | Nyle | whats the word on amd64+java |
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| 13:12.30 | Nyle | !java-package |
| 13:12.30 | dpkg | hmm... java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
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| 13:17.30 | hark | just install from non-free |
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| 13:21.58 | namit|home | anyone know anything about xen on debian here? |
| 13:22.17 | sn0 | !xen |
| 13:22.17 | dpkg | it has been said that xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:22.42 | namit|home | can we send error messages to dpkg? |
| 13:23.07 | sn0 | namit|home im not sure, but you could paste the errors to http://paste.debian.net or other pastebin sites |
| 13:24.04 | namit|home | http://paste.debian.net/32779 well i have found few relations to this error but it was to do with hosts file, so i modified the host file and restarted but no difference |
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| 13:29.16 | groton | Hello all. |
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| 13:30.37 | groton | I have two computers A and B connected by an eth twisted cable. They could ping each other, and A could ssh on B, but not the opposite direction, i.e. B cannot ssh in A. In A the sshd is up and running, what could be the problem? when i try to connect |
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| 13:31.18 | sn0 | hey groton , can computer A ssh to itsself and computer B ssh to itself also ? |
| 13:31.33 | groton | when i try to connect B to A by ssh it idle for ever after printing: debug1: Connecting to 192.168.10.2 [192.168.10.2] port 22. |
| 13:31.38 | StM | What is a good working ocr tool for the console? |
| 13:31.44 | groton | sn0, they could ssh on itself, yes |
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| 13:32.23 | sn0 | groton compare the versions of the sshdaemon on both systems, are they the same distro/os ? |
| 13:32.23 | sn0 | also check the sshd_config to check ssh version 2 is set , not version 1 |
| 13:32.23 | groton | sn0, same distro, debian unstable, now i will check the version |
| 13:32.40 | sn0 | this is the default though so im not sure it will be the config |
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| 13:34.14 | adfdecx | how do i search a file among all packages |
| 13:34.29 | groton | adfdecx, dpkg -S filename |
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| 13:40.21 | groton | sn0, thanks, i synced the version of the client and server on both machines, now it works. Must have been some incompatibility or i borked somehow the sshd settings :) |
| 13:40.32 | sn0 | groton cool :) |
| 13:40.33 | wols | sn0: is ssh listening on both on all interfaces? |
| 13:40.50 | wols | groton: ^^ |
| 13:40.57 | groton | wols, yes |
| 13:41.15 | groton | netstat | grep LISTEN | grep 22 said so :) |
| 13:41.25 | groton | netstat -an iirc :) anyway, now it work greatly |
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| 13:41.48 | wols | telnet to port 22 then. do you see a string like "openssh <vresion>"? |
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| 13:43.35 | StM | What is a good working ocr tool for the console? |
| 13:43.58 | namit|home | i have just put new hard disk into my computer what is best program to format the hard disk and mount it |
| 13:44.03 | groton | wols, i get on both: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.6p1 Debian-4 |
| 13:44.06 | spheard | whats the standard notation for the the subnet of 89.106.176 |
| 13:44.10 | spheard | 89.106.176/24 |
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| 13:44.16 | spheard | 89.106.176.0/24? |
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| 13:44.26 | StM | namit|home fdisk, mkfs.ext3, mount |
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| 13:44.45 | wols | then you can connect |
| 13:44.51 | groton | wols, yes, i can |
| 13:44.55 | wols | hmm.. is it a reverse DNS issue? |
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| 13:45.23 | wols | we need more input. what happens when you connect or try to? |
| 13:45.23 | smhar | hello |
| 13:45.35 | sn0 | hi |
| 13:46.03 | groton | wols, sorry, but i said that it works now, just at 15:46 GTM+1 |
| 13:46.06 | sn0 | StM a quick search of the debian packages lists 'gocr' as a console ocr program |
| 13:46.24 | sn0 | tesseract-ocr is another |
| 13:46.26 | groton | wols, all what i did is to put the same version of ssh client and server on both machines |
| 13:46.38 | smhar | I have my computer running on Debian, my wife's running windows and a file server running a very old slackware. I want to change them all to debian and add another computer for my 3yrs old son too :-) |
| 13:47.00 | groton | smhar, that is the proof of the evilness of the females :) |
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| 13:47.33 | StM | tnx sn0 |
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| 13:47.40 | sn0 | np StM |
| 13:48.09 | smhar | now I want to keep the 3 computers plus the server always up2date .. what is the best way ? I do not want to download the same updates 4 times for 4 computers, as my downloads are metered by ISP |
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| 13:49.25 | sn0 | smhar you could proxy updates through the server, so the server downloads and the clients update from the server |
| 13:49.27 | smhar | current setup is adsl modem/router->>> 4 computers connected through ethernet |
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| 13:49.58 | sn0 | something similar to http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/406 (check comments for other options) |
| 13:50.10 | row- | hmm lenny kernel headers does not include linux/config.h :/ |
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| 13:51.57 | AciD | lenny kernel prevent from build fglrx module too :( |
| 13:52.02 | AciD | +ing |
| 13:52.51 | sn0 | row/acid i think that has something to do with the kernel not using config.h now, im not exactly sure but remember coming across build issues with fglrx driver from someone else having problems, a while back |
| 13:53.16 | sn0 | as of 2.6.19 maybe |
| 13:53.16 | AciD | did he got a solution there ? |
| 13:53.31 | row- | unstable has config.h |
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| 13:53.51 | Blackhold | hello |
| 13:53.52 | sn0 | might be http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?=&p=52769 |
| 13:54.02 | sn0 | but if you google debian config.h fglrx then it should get some hits |
| 13:54.15 | AciD | thx |
| 13:54.21 | sn0 | hope it helps |
| 13:54.24 | namit|home | is there any way of updateding fstab automaticaly ? |
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| 13:56.55 | mancubus | namit|home, what do you mean? |
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| 13:58.10 | namit|home | mancubus: its just i have plugged in 4 hard disks into my computer and want fstab to update on its own. |
| 13:58.27 | namit|home | mancubus: but i guess not. |
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| 14:00.26 | row- | sn0: interesting, could be a problem going to test in a min apparently switching to autoconf.h with acx100-souce causes build to fail, will try in a bit cheers for info tho. |
| 14:00.49 | mancubus | namit|home, check am-utils |
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| 14:01.56 | icy | I'm trying to install phppgadmin with aptitude but it wants to install apache and php4 as dependencies. I already have lighttpd and php5 so I don't want those deps. How can I install the phppgadmin packages without the wrong deps? |
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| 14:02.47 | icy | packages.debian.org states that phppgadmin depends on apache2 OR httpd (which is provided by lighttpd) so why does it want to install apache2 if I already got lighttpd? |
| 14:03.19 | groton | wols, Now i am trying to understand how iptables works. I am trying to drop any ssh request from the B computer on my LAN. Then i issued on A: iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.10.5 -p tcp --destination-port 22 -j DROP , but I could still login by ssh from B to A, what's wrong? |
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| 14:08.23 | soneil | icy, it looks like apache2 is being pulled in by php4, not phppgadmin. installing php4-cgi so php4 is provided without apache2-mod-php4 may help, but no idea how to avoid the php4 dependency |
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| 14:08.48 | _joey | any news on as to when a new release is expected? |
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| 14:09.38 | LightKnight | _joey: they said "second half of 2008" :) |
| 14:10.20 | valdyn | icy: that dependency is irrelevant for your issue, you need to fullfill: " libapache-mod-php5 | libapache2-mod-php5 | php5-cgi | libapache2-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.2.0) | libapache-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.2.0) | php4-cgi (>= 4:4.2.0) |
| 14:10.44 | _joey | LightKnight what is the current stable release at the moment? |
| 14:10.52 | valdyn | icy: many of the above packages do depend on apache itself, not httpd |
| 14:11.11 | _joey | sarge? |
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| 14:11.22 | LightKnight | _joey: it's Etch, released early in April :) |
| 14:11.30 | LightKnight | (the Easter day, precisely :P) |
| 14:11.44 | _joey | hmm |
| 14:11.53 | icy | valdyn: I fullfill ALL deps mentioned on packages.debian.org |
| 14:12.01 | wols | groton: try -I not -A |
| 14:12.11 | valdyn | icy: uh? |
| 14:12.18 | valdyn | icy: that's a list of alternatives |
| 14:12.28 | _joey | LightKnight how is wifi support on linux these days? |
| 14:12.35 | groton | wols, oh yeah, the order does matter :) |
| 14:12.49 | icy | valdyn: I still don't get why it wants to have php4 etc |
| 14:12.55 | wols | _joey: better |
| 14:12.56 | icy | when I already have php5 |
| 14:13.15 | valdyn | icy: it doesnt 'ask for' php4 |
| 14:13.17 | wols | _joey: sarge is oldstable btw. |
| 14:13.34 | valdyn | icy: its trying to fullfill the deps i listed above |
| 14:13.50 | valdyn | icy: there's many possible solutions.. one of those involves installing php4 |
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| 14:14.12 | icy | valdyn: I have php5-cgi so the deps you wrote above are fullfilled, right? |
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| 14:15.04 | namit|home | ttp://paste.debian.net/32779 well i have found few relations to this error but it was to do with hosts file, so i modified the host file and restarted but no difference |
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| 14:15.59 | namit|home | where do you generally mount other hard disks? i am just putting them in /mnt/hdg and /mnt/hdg1 ... /mnt/hdg2 |
| 14:17.13 | xand | I use /u1, /u2 etc |
| 14:17.27 | _Jam1e_ | i use /mnt mainly |
| 14:17.33 | JeremyK | i use /usr /var /tmp, etc. |
| 14:17.34 | _Jam1e_ | depends what the drive is |
| 14:17.42 | _Jam1e_ | and whats on it |
| 14:17.55 | namit|home | they are just new hard disks for storage |
| 14:18.09 | namit|home | suppose could move /home and mount one there |
| 14:18.16 | _Jam1e_ | it doesnt really matter , personal preference |
| 14:18.18 | _Jam1e_ | yea |
| 14:18.24 | namit|home | yes suppose so |
| 14:18.42 | _Jam1e_ | but yea /home is a good idea |
| 14:19.20 | Zynx | I fixed my "black screen" problem with the reinstall ;) But as i am new to Linux i would love to know how to install libc? I cant update my GFX drivers without it :) |
| 14:19.24 | namit|home | if i have just used parted to create partition can i not use parted for that? |
| 14:19.30 | valdyn | icy: didnt i already say that its not that dependency that is messing with you? |
| 14:19.32 | namit|home | for resizing |
| 14:19.36 | valdyn | icy: ops, scroll error |
| 14:19.55 | _Jam1e_ | yes namit|home |
| 14:20.06 | wols | Zynx: who says you need a newer libc? |
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| 14:20.37 | robboplus | what would be the best way of dumping a database? |
| 14:20.43 | icy | valdyn: I fixed it by installing php5-pgsql first |
| 14:20.47 | _Jam1e_ | which db robboplus |
| 14:20.50 | wols | Zynx: and what videocard is this? |
| 14:20.54 | robboplus | from shell or inside mysql? |
| 14:20.59 | _Jam1e_ | mysqldump |
| 14:21.02 | _Jam1e_ | if its mysql |
| 14:21.05 | _Jam1e_ | thats hwat i use |
| 14:21.07 | _Jam1e_ | what |
| 14:21.07 | valdyn | icy: neat, i was just looking at php4-pgsql |
| 14:21.18 | icy | when not explicitly mentioned, it tries to install php4-pgsql which in turn depends on all the other stuff :( |
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| 14:21.32 | _Jam1e_ | robboplus |
| 14:21.35 | _Jam1e_ | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysqldump.html |
| 14:21.49 | robboplus | _Jam1e_ i just read up but there are so many options |
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| 14:21.52 | robboplus | i just want it to work :) |
| 14:21.53 | Zynx | "ERROR: You do not appear to have libc header files installed on your system." |
| 14:21.59 | _Jam1e_ | naaa |
| 14:22.02 | robboplus | i got a single db to dump in full |
| 14:22.08 | valdyn | Zynx: so install them |
| 14:22.10 | _Jam1e_ | mysqldump database |
| 14:22.15 | _Jam1e_ | just do that |
| 14:22.19 | robboplus | i know it was about --quick or something |
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| 14:22.28 | MangosDebian | robboplus: still no luck with the locks? |
| 14:22.39 | robboplus | MangosDebian sorted... but i went tru hell |
| 14:22.44 | robboplus | and didn't sleep again |
| 14:22.46 | Zynx | valdyn: Would love to :) I just installed Linux for the very first time :) |
| 14:22.56 | MangosDebian | robboplus: what was causing the locks? |
| 14:23.08 | robboplus | innodb... |
| 14:23.19 | valdyn | Zynx: what are you trying to do that gives you taht ERROR message? |
| 14:23.25 | MangosDebian | thats a db type |
| 14:23.31 | Zynx | Installing GFX drivers |
| 14:23.42 | valdyn | Zynx: which gfx drivers? |
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| 14:23.45 | MangosDebian | robboplus: what program locked the tables to begin with? |
| 14:23.52 | Zynx | nvidia |
| 14:24.25 | valdyn | !nvidia |
| 14:24.25 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 14:24.29 | robboplus | MangosDebian it went away when i changed to myisam |
| 14:24.38 | robboplus | someone adviced me that in the other chan |
| 14:24.41 | Zynx | thanks |
| 14:25.02 | robboplus | MangosDebian what was your wonderful mysqldump one-liner again please? :) |
| 14:25.13 | MangosDebian | robboplus: doesnt sound right. shouldnt have to change types for that |
| 14:25.24 | MangosDebian | robboplus: scroll up :p |
| 14:25.59 | robboplus | i'm sure it's up there somewhere |
| 14:25.59 | MangosDebian | robboplus: mangos must be opening a lock at startup for some reason and never releasing it |
| 14:26.15 | robboplus | it got even worse... |
| 14:26.21 | robboplus | it screwed up my mangos db |
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| 14:26.33 | robboplus | each time i tried to login... mangos would seg fault |
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| 14:26.41 | robboplus | horrible mess... |
| 14:26.48 | MangosDebian | :( |
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| 14:27.40 | MangosDebian | robboplus: was mangos running while you tried the dump? |
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| 14:28.19 | robboplus | yes |
| 14:28.58 | MangosDebian | well, tbh, ive never tried dumping the db while it was running. ill have to check that out later |
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| 14:29.25 | artzneo | hola. algun canal debian en español ? |
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| 14:29.46 | zamuro | !es |
| 14:29.47 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 14:30.53 | CN | hi there! |
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| 14:31.48 | CN | 21 CD OMG |
| 14:32.13 | CN | I'm ubuntuer how to do? 21CD... |
| 14:32.22 | Gge | !fr |
| 14:32.23 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:32.26 | robboplus | go to ubuntu and ask them CN |
| 14:32.27 | sn0 | CN you only need the first cd really :) |
| 14:32.31 | valdyn | CN: the first one is enough to install |
| 14:32.33 | lekvar | !cz |
| 14:32.34 | dpkg | well, cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
| 14:32.40 | robboplus | !cc |
| 14:32.41 | dpkg | hmm... cc is Cocos (Keeling) Islands |
| 14:32.50 | robboplus | !xx |
| 14:32.51 | dpkg | i guess xx is a girl |
| 14:32.53 | robboplus | right |
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| 14:33.08 | CN | thanks a lot |
| 14:33.08 | robboplus | !xy |
| 14:33.08 | dpkg | xy is, like, a boy |
| 14:33.19 | JeremyK | !xyzzy |
| 14:33.20 | valdyn | !xxy |
| 14:33.22 | CN | ubuntu 's *.deb can use in debian? |
| 14:33.23 | lekvar | !xyzzy |
| 14:33.25 | robboplus | !xxl |
| 14:33.29 | robboplus | gotcha! |
| 14:33.43 | lekvar | what's the code for bosnia? |
| 14:33.59 | sn0 | CN no, debian and ubuntu repositories are seperate |
| 14:34.04 | robboplus | !ba |
| 14:34.04 | dpkg | i guess ba is Bosnia & Herzegovina |
| 14:34.13 | sn0 | although there is some movement of packages to and from each for bug fixes and so on |
| 14:34.25 | CN | æ±—~ |
| 14:34.27 | robboplus | CN you sure you don't want debian? |
| 14:34.28 | CN | 完了 |
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| 14:34.45 | robboplus | what does that mean? looks great |
| 14:34.51 | CN | i want debian |
| 14:34.58 | StM | dontload the netinstall cd |
| 14:35.01 | StM | 180 mb |
| 14:35.02 | valdyn | !ig |
| 14:35.02 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 14:35.04 | CN | 我ä¸å–œæ¬¢ubuntu |
| 14:35.19 | CN | 那个是net install |
| 14:35.26 | robboplus | so if you want a REAL debian don't grab ubuntu |
| 14:35.27 | knoxy | sn0 why ubuntu and debian packages is seperate? ubuntu is more updated? |
| 14:35.34 | robboplus | ubuntu is debian based.. different thing a little |
| 14:35.35 | valdyn | CN: stop it |
| 14:36.06 | robboplus | knoxy debian is more server-like system |
| 14:36.19 | robboplus | while ubuntu is home mostly |
| 14:36.29 | sn0 | knoxy ubuntu is based-on debian |
| 14:36.39 | CN | what's wrong? |
| 14:36.43 | valdyn | @based on debian |
| 14:36.55 | rohan | knoxy: or in other words, debian does not customize it's DE's as much as ubuntu does, it's left upto the user to customize |
| 14:37.07 | lekvar | last cast |
| 14:37.12 | robboplus | in other words debian just works :) |
| 14:37.24 | valdyn | CN: not much, just use asci characters, no utf-8 |
| 14:37.30 | rohan | robboplus: so does ubuntu, though |
| 14:37.33 | Gge | startx |
| 14:37.50 | Gge | X should start automatically ? |
| 14:37.52 | robboplus | rohan hm i dare to doubt it... the first time i tried to install it died on some security updates... |
| 14:38.02 | rohan | Gge: what is your currentrunlevel |
| 14:38.03 | robboplus | that was my last time i spent with ubuntu :) and first one |
| 14:38.06 | sn0 | !works |
| 14:38.06 | dpkg | it has been said that works is something I am |
| 14:38.12 | sn0 | !works for me |
| 14:38.14 | sn0 | nope :I |
| 14:38.30 | robboplus | i have never seen dead debian in my life yet |
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| 14:39.05 | Gge | rohan , uname -a shows 2.6.21 |
| 14:39.06 | rohan | robboplus: that could also mean that up until now you've not seen much in life .. or you use stable, which never dies ;) |
| 14:39.15 | rohan | Gge: no, what is the output of "runlevel" ? |
| 14:39.28 | robboplus | rohan yes, i use stable, since some years |
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| 14:39.41 | robboplus | and really, it never ever refused to work |
| 14:40.20 | Gge | rohan , runlevel shows N 2 |
| 14:41.18 | rohan | Gge: right, and can you paste the output of "ls /etc/rc2.d/*dm" |
| 14:42.51 | Gge | Rohan , |
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| 14:44.26 | rohan | Gge: so, it's correct, X will not start on boot |
| 14:44.32 | Gge | Rohan, output of "ls /etc/rc2.d/*dm" is /etc/rc2.d/S21gdm |
| 14:44.43 | rohan | ah .. no, then X should start on boot |
| 14:44.48 | the_sniff | can a server load affect a ping? NOT theoraticlly |
| 14:45.19 | CN | debian i download CD1 enough? |
| 14:45.24 | rohan | Gge: there is something wrong .. you need to ask more people who are using lenny, or diagnose the problem and file a bug |
| 14:45.32 | rohan | CN: yes, you can later on install things using apt-get |
| 14:45.37 | Gge | yes , ok |
| 14:45.42 | MangosDebian | the_sniff: would have to be preatty heavily loaded to affect it much |
| 14:45.42 | Gge | for rohan |
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| 14:46.04 | CN | source? |
| 14:46.16 | rohan | CN: uh .. why do you need the source cd? |
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| 14:46.33 | the_sniff | so a 100mbit server (a city near mine) with 200ms pings to me is heavily loaded? :p |
| 14:46.51 | robboplus | the_sniff a router is |
| 14:46.57 | robboplus | somewhere abouts |
| 14:47.11 | MangosDebian | the_sniff: ^^^ but load could play a small factor |
| 14:47.54 | CN | in ubuntu use like (deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty main restricted universe multiverse) this! but how in debian? |
| 14:47.55 | valdyn | the_sniff: it can affect ping, but that server could to unusably slow and still have perfect ping |
| 14:48.03 | the_sniff | yeah but a server on the same c class is never lagged |
| 14:48.15 | valdyn | CN: rtfm? |
| 14:48.21 | valdyn | !ig |
| 14:48.21 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 14:49.16 | xingu | 2 megabytes worth of tx queue... unlikely. |
| 14:49.29 | MangosDebian | the_sniff: are you sure there are no other routers the server is behind that you cant see? |
| 14:49.42 | the_sniff | could it be that i broke a sarge server by updating its openssh from an unstable source so it would have such high loads? |
| 14:49.58 | CN | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.02 | solitude | GAH |
| 14:50.05 | solitude | etch sucks |
| 14:50.09 | the_sniff | MangosDebian: there's one but as i said another server on the same farm is responding clearly |
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| 14:50.15 | yos87 | Hi |
| 14:50.16 | the_sniff | how can i fix it? |
| 14:50.22 | the_sniff | im on is since the morning |
| 14:50.23 | solitude | new bug: debian installer repeatedly crashes on older systems ith 32mb ram |
| 14:50.28 | the_sniff | and im sick and want to get off work :( |
| 14:50.48 | yos87 | I have question, how can I view or edit the image metadata for Jpg files? |
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| 14:50.59 | xingu | the_sniff: what does dpkg -l libc6 say |
| 14:51.02 | MangosDebian | the_sniff: ssh is harder on cpu due to crypto, and a bug in that could increase ping i suppose |
| 14:51.17 | the_sniff | xingu: ii libc6 2.6-2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 14:51.58 | the_sniff | MangosDebian: it doesn't have big ssh traffic |
| 14:52.03 | CN | debian has chinese support? |
| 14:52.19 | valdyn | !cn |
| 14:52.19 | dpkg | [cn] China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 14:52.19 | CN | my english poor |
| 14:52.24 | xingu | the_sniff: needless to say, sarge isn't linked against libc6-2.6 |
| 14:52.33 | xingu | !frankenstein |
| 14:52.33 | dpkg | i guess frankenstein is my father . . . |
| 14:52.35 | MangosDebian | the_sniff: you have root on the box in question? |
| 14:52.37 | CN | #debian-zh |
| 14:52.48 | the_sniff | MangosDebian yeah |
| 14:52.55 | the_sniff | xingu so whats my best option |
| 14:53.16 | xingu | the_sniff: restore from backup then install sshd from a sarge non-US repo. |
| 14:53.23 | CN | 6 man in #debian-zh _ _! |
| 14:53.41 | valdyn | !non-us |
| 14:53.41 | dpkg | hmm... non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 14:53.45 | the_sniff | xingu how do i restore? |
| 14:54.00 | xingu | the_sniff: what backup system do you use? |
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| 14:54.10 | solitude | oh fuck |
| 14:54.13 | the_sniff | nothing :s |
| 14:54.21 | solitude | vterm4 is now overlaid with vterm1 due to the lack of ram |
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| 14:54.29 | solitude | fuckfuckfuck |
| 14:54.29 | xingu | the_sniff: in that case point the system toward mecca and start praying. |
| 14:54.39 | solitude | tip: new linux on older machines is a royal bitch |
| 14:54.40 | CN | man to go ubuntu |
| 14:55.13 | the_sniff | xingu can't i just do a dist upgrade? why is everyone in the linux world always provide u with his own answer / otherwise kill yourself? |
| 14:55.43 | putridp | What's the reason for a size mismatch error from apt? (ie: "E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.uk.debian.org/path/foo.deb: Size mismatch") |
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| 14:56.34 | xingu | !tell the_sniff about bobbitt |
| 14:56.43 | the_sniff | whats bobbitt? |
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| 14:57.33 | MangosDebian | so he claims sarge yet using wrong libc? |
| 14:57.41 | the_sniff | xingu can't i do a dist upgrade? |
| 14:57.46 | MangosDebian | tell me he's not ubuntu :( |
| 14:57.49 | the_sniff | MangosDebian i guess |
| 14:57.54 | xingu | MangosDebian: he's grabbed openssh from unstable which would have hauled in sid's libc6 |
| 14:58.00 | troythetechguy | Hi, I'm a Ubuntu user thinking of installing Debian on my PC because it runs too slow with Ubuntu. Is Debian pretty light on resources? |
| 14:58.33 | MangosDebian | why cant you people just use stable ;) |
| 14:58.33 | the_sniff | xingu so why am i having high loads on an etch server with the same libc? |
| 14:58.37 | xingu | the_sniff: I doubt that's a tested upgrade strategy - if it breaks, you get to keep both halves |
| 14:58.41 | CN | in chinese "debian" pronounce same "shit" |
| 14:58.48 | solitude | troythetechguy, just stop using ubuntu desktop |
| 14:59.14 | solitude | i give up |
| 14:59.14 | solitude | FUCK etch |
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| 14:59.15 | MangosDebian | solitude: language |
| 14:59.23 | solitude | sorry :( |
| 14:59.37 | the_sniff | xingu so i have no other option?! |
| 14:59.49 | CN | no ubuntu |
| 14:59.50 | CN | debian |
| 14:59.56 | MangosDebian | solitude: do you scream and beat your kids when your mad too or kick the dog? |
| 14:59.57 | solitude | gnehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, i remember whn 32mb ram was plenty |
| 15:00.03 | troythetechguy | solitude, I'm a newer Linux user. How do I stop using ubuntu desktop? |
| 15:00.12 | solitude | I dont have kids |
| 15:00.12 | solitude | I do scream when im angry ¬_¬ |
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| 15:00.25 | MangosDebian | solitude: if not then i dont see why you need to act the same on irc |
| 15:00.25 | solitude | troythetechguy. apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop |
| 15:00.28 | solitude | or aptitude |
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| 15:00.35 | CN | ubuntu botchy |
| 15:00.37 | solitude | MangosDebian, i just said that i do. |
| 15:01.01 | the_sniff | xingu: what if i apt-get remove libc6 and then install it again? |
| 15:01.23 | troythetechguy | solitude, So removing the ubuntu desktop, is that the same as removing the GUI, therefore only having CLI? |
| 15:02.04 | solitude | its removing the bloated piece of crap, that is the metapackage gnome-desktop |
| 15:02.12 | solitude | then do apt-get install gnome |
| 15:02.14 | solitude | or whatever desktop you want |
| 15:02.15 | xingu | the_sniff: you'll learn why that doesn't work by trying it; you'll also learn why it's a good idea to back up systems before doing surgery on them |
| 15:02.39 | the_sniff | duded |
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| 15:02.46 | MangosDebian | or just dont use sid if you cant handle it yourself :( |
| 15:02.51 | the_sniff | if ur trying to depress me ur really good at it |
| 15:02.56 | troythetechguy | solitude, I'm going to try that. Thank you! |
| 15:02.56 | the_sniff | IS THER A SOLUTION? |
| 15:03.02 | solitude | np troythetechguy |
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| 15:03.06 | JeremyK | the_sniff: if you remove libc6, you probably won't be able to do much with the system ;) |
| 15:03.07 | solitude | if you want something lighrer on resources |
| 15:03.10 | solitude | try xfce4 |
| 15:03.17 | xingu | the_sniff: the problem is you've bobbitt'd your target system and there's no route back from this; you might be able to piece together a working system by continuing the upgrade (dist-upgrade) but this doesn't place you in a good position for isolating a performance regression |
| 15:03.21 | mendred | troythetechguy: if ur comp is slow when using gnome, perhaps u might want to try xfce4 |
| 15:03.22 | solitude | (thats the package name too, apt-get install xfce4) |
| 15:03.27 | solitude | WAIT a sec |
| 15:03.35 | solitude | i think you may want to use aptitudeinstead of apt-get |
| 15:03.48 | solitude | if youre using ubuntu |
| 15:03.53 | the_sniff | xingu "isolating a performance regression" ? wtf? |
| 15:03.56 | JeremyK | ubuntu has apt-get |
| 15:04.10 | solitude | it uses aptitude by default |
| 15:04.17 | xingu | the_sniff: basically, you've upset too many variables - the steady state/ control you have is "it works acceptably on sarge"; to diagnose "and it's regressed on etch" you need a stable sarge and a stable etch system with ~identical hw and package sets to contrast. |
| 15:04.22 | solitude | and mixing the 2 is bad. |
| 15:04.22 | CN | intall ubuntu i find i don't know any thing with linux |
| 15:04.36 | CN | so i want intall debian |
| 15:04.37 | MangosDebian | the_sniff: s/regression/bad problem/ |
| 15:04.50 | solitude | CN, everyone starts somewhere :p |
| 15:05.00 | solitude | Odd ... |
| 15:05.09 | the_sniff | so |
| 15:05.14 | the_sniff | i don't get it |
| 15:05.15 | solitude | in low mem mode, etch onlyallows fat or ext2, sarge allows the full rabge |
| 15:05.18 | solitude | rage* |
| 15:05.21 | solitude | range* |
| 15:05.32 | the_sniff | had i done a dist upgrade... how was it diff from doing a dist upgrade now? |
| 15:05.36 | mendred | troythetechguy: you might want to ask in the #ubuntu forums as well..there is a xubuntu-desktop meta package as well..which covers xfce4 i think |
| 15:05.44 | solitude | mendred, no |
| 15:05.48 | solitude | thats what he needs to avoid |
| 15:06.09 | solitude | gnome-desktop, kde-desktop and xfce4-desktop are very very large meta packages. |
| 15:06.28 | solitude | thats whyhe wants gnome/xfce alone. |
| 15:06.35 | xingu | the_sniff: if it'd been a dist upgrade to etch following the upgrade notes/caveats we'd now know what mix of packages you were running |
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| 15:07.06 | xingu | the_sniff: as it is, you have a partial upgrade to a point-in-time copy of whatever was in sid's repo and also a dependancy of opensshd |
| 15:07.22 | mendred | solitude: there are certain problems that arise in ubuntu when one bypasses the meta packages..at least it has happened in the past with me..it might be a dump from sid, but they change enough there |
| 15:07.30 | MangosDebian | xingu: I think you may need to tone down the language a tad and put it in lay terms, lest you want to incurr random acts of verbal assault from some of our less "learned" crowd :) |
| 15:07.35 | CN | 55555555555555555 |
| 15:07.36 | mendred | and considering that he is new to linux |
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| 15:07.41 | the_sniff | but all i installed was openssh-server :(((((((( WHY IS IT SO FUCKED UP :(( |
| 15:07.41 | mendred | it may not be the wisest course |
| 15:07.43 | CN | my english too poor |
| 15:07.48 | CN | éƒé—·æ» |
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| 15:08.04 | solitude | hmm mendred, [pssible. |
| 15:08.06 | putridp | Could someone help with this apt-get error please? http://pastebin.ca/620492 |
| 15:08.08 | xingu | MangosDebian: thanks for the tips but I tend to say exactly what I mean; English is useful that way. |
| 15:08.11 | solitude | CN, yay for utf-8 :) |
| 15:08.15 | the_sniff | xingu is it not likely to be the packages openssh-server uses? |
| 15:08.26 | CN | how to repair |
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| 15:08.46 | yos87 | I have question, How to view the windows images metadata in debian? I have many pix commented with metadata in windows , its' not appear in debian; somebody can help me? |
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| 15:09.13 | xingu | the_sniff: apt-cache show openssh-server | grep Depends: |
| 15:09.16 | MangosDebian | xingu: ok, but don't say I didn't warn ya. These guys are like piranah some days. They also tend to attack for no reason other than to argue usage of terms/words |
| 15:09.26 | xingu | the_sniff: lather, rinse, repeat for each package mentioned. |
| 15:09.40 | MangosDebian | ...or to waste your time and test how far you will take an issue :) |
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| 15:09.53 | solitude | ubuntu makes me growl |
| 15:09.56 | the_sniff | whats lather and rinse? :S |
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| 15:10.21 | the_sniff | xingu u mean reinstall them? lol |
| 15:10.27 | solitude | ive had so many issues with it because of its forced 6 month release cycle |
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| 15:10.32 | MangosDebian | as I say that I am sure I caught the attn of a few dosen ppl in here with that intent I am sure |
| 15:10.41 | CN | 2007-07-15 22:50:50 开始连接...... |
| 15:10.42 | CN | 2007-07-15 22:50:50 开始æœç´¢å€™é€‰èµ„æº...... |
| 15:10.42 | CN | 2007-07-15 22:50:50 æœç´¢åˆ°19ä¸ªå€™é€‰èµ„æº |
| 15:10.42 | CN | 2007-07-15 22:50:50 使用候选资æºè¿›è¡Œè¿žæŽ¥...... |
| 15:10.42 | CN | 2007-07-15 22:50:54 开始创建文件...... |
| 15:10.42 | CN | 2007-07-15 22:50:55 æœç´¢åˆ°2ä¸ªå€™é€‰èµ„æº |
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| 15:10.50 | xingu | the_sniff: that's the full scope of what your simple install of sid's openssh-server has hauled in as a dependancy. |
| 15:10.53 | IAmARelay | wtf |
| 15:10.55 | IAmARelay | heh |
| 15:10.57 | MangosDebian | how did I not see that one coming |
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| 15:11.16 | xingu | the_sniff: any single one of these /might have/ upset the performance profile of your (unnamed) application |
| 15:11.20 | the_sniff | xingu libc6 is one of those... can i paste it for u to have a look? |
| 15:11.38 | xingu | the_sniff: no thanks |
| 15:11.52 | putridp | I've got a size mismatch error from apt-get and no idea what to do about. Any ideas? |
| 15:12.01 | putridp | ..about it.. |
| 15:12.42 | xingu | the_sniff: this is why the colloquial term for your system in its current state is a "bobbitt" and why it's inherently unsupportable; it's also the reason why the path of least resistance /would be/ a restoration back to your control point - ie - your sarge system, pre-openssh install. |
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| 15:13.24 | the_sniff | so, what ur saying in big words is that im fucked-up? |
| 15:13.43 | xingu | the_sniff: if you have no backup then more fool you; the next step is mitigation - the pieces you have are a suspect system, a known bad system (etch, poor performance), and your control - sarge, acceptable. |
| 15:13.47 | spheard | !key |
| 15:13.47 | dpkg | methinks key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
| 15:13.52 | xingu | the_sniff: if you really want me to continue to spell this out.. |
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| 15:14.03 | solitude | ubuntu makes me growl/whois cn |
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| 15:14.46 | MangosDebian | the_sniff: curious, with that problem, does it affect your localhost pings at all as well? |
| 15:14.58 | xingu | the_sniff: in your position I'd troubleshoot an etch only install as the best spend of time. |
| 15:15.05 | MangosDebian | xingu: careful, they like to call people on that |
| 15:15.14 | the_sniff | MangosDebian îí |
| 15:15.17 | the_sniff | MangosDebian no |
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| 15:15.52 | MangosDebian | gah, i need coffee |
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| 15:17.19 | wols | kann man die vortexkugel immer wiedre weirdecuben obwohl sie schon socket hat? |
| 15:17.43 | wols | *wieder weitercuben |
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| 15:18.08 | xingu | the_sniff: I'm assuming that by "ping" you don't mean as in /bin/ping and what you really mean is some other measurement, like a round-trip time that a game reports |
| 15:18.25 | solitude | sarge -> upgrades can cause issues |
| 15:18.30 | xingu | the_sniff: if this is correct, it might be useful to report what the game actually is |
| 15:18.36 | solitude | a clean install is preferable if possible. |
| 15:18.40 | solitude | (just like windows) |
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| 15:18.51 | xingu | solitude: especially when you randomly upgrade /parts/ of it, like openssh-server's dependancy chain only. |
| 15:18.53 | solitude | (itll work, but throw up weird errors now and the) |
| 15:18.54 | putridp | for the record, the size mismatch error was due to a broken 3rd party repository. |
| 15:18.59 | the_sniff | xingu please sum it up for me, since im dizzy and all. my best option now, other than a resinstalling is to try and dist upgrade? |
| 15:19.00 | solitude | xingu, wtf? |
| 15:19.06 | solitude | a *partial* upgrade? |
| 15:19.09 | xingu | solitude: that's what he's done |
| 15:19.09 | the_sniff | xingu no its the basic ping tool |
| 15:19.18 | solitude | any special reason? |
| 15:19.24 | solitude | the_sniff |
| 15:19.26 | solitude | update kernel, and reupdate. |
| 15:19.28 | xingu | solitude: -ENOCLUE |
| 15:19.39 | the_sniff | solitude what would that give me? |
| 15:19.51 | solitude | A working system, in theory. |
| 15:19.58 | spheard | !time |
| 15:19.58 | dpkg | hmm... time is found on http://www.time.com/, or 2007.07.15 15:19:58, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!! |
| 15:20.20 | spheard | what can I use o sync all the times on all my servers? |
| 15:20.23 | solitude | ooo, the install is 38% done. shiny. |
| 15:20.27 | xingu | the_sniff: it's all a cost/benefit tradeoff; it'll take time to dist-upgrade then diagnose if it's still failing or then dead completely. |
| 15:20.30 | IAmARelay | ntp ? |
| 15:20.36 | spheard | or sync them to an atomic clock |
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| 15:20.55 | xingu | the_sniff: as I said, I'd suggest a fresh etch install as the best way to spend your time |
| 15:20.56 | solitude | ARGH, jinxed |
| 15:20.58 | the_sniff | xingu: PLEASE GIME ME A SOLUTION im dead already lol |
| 15:20.59 | solitude | it just failed |
| 15:21.01 | the_sniff | well |
| 15:21.05 | the_sniff | i can't really do that |
| 15:21.13 | the_sniff | without getting fired first :( |
| 15:21.32 | the_sniff | lol |
| 15:21.56 | Danux | Hi guys, I am going to be getting a new laptop and will be wanting to run debian on it. In general is there any way i can find advice on compatability... especially as it will probably come with built in wireless |
| 15:22.08 | solitude | err |
| 15:22.13 | solitude | google :p |
| 15:22.15 | solitude | what laptop is it |
| 15:22.19 | solitude | if the wireless is intel, youre sorted |
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| 15:22.28 | solitude | atheros is sorted too via madwiki |
| 15:22.28 | solitude | madwifi* |
| 15:22.34 | Danux | solitude that's what i need to work out - which one to get |
| 15:22.37 | JeremyK | i've always had good experience with ibm laptops |
| 15:22.37 | IAmARelay | madwiki ! |
| 15:22.38 | xingu | Danux: if it says "centrino" you probably want to talk to dpkg about ipw3945 |
| 15:22.41 | IAmARelay | :D |
| 15:22.46 | solitude | err, prism works too. anything else will be ndiswrapper |
| 15:22.52 | solitude | oh Danux, easy |
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| 15:23.18 | solitude | get a dell with ubuntu, then reformat |
| 15:23.18 | solitude | or .. any lenovo thnkpad |
| 15:23.18 | solitude | all thinkpads run linux flawlessly. |
| 15:23.23 | IAmARelay | my centrino has an ipw2200 |
| 15:23.31 | xingu | IAmARelay: is it new? :) |
| 15:23.35 | IAmARelay | old |
| 15:23.35 | DustyDingo | is there a fast way to recompress jpegs from the command line? |
| 15:23.38 | IAmARelay | 3 years |
| 15:23.44 | DustyDingo | fast == easy |
| 15:23.46 | IAmARelay | still as good as new :) |
| 15:23.57 | xingu | IAmARelay: and can you buy a 3yr old notebook today? :) |
| 15:24.10 | solitude | yay intell 2200b/g |
| 15:24.18 | lekvar | solitude have you tried it on a 600e? |
| 15:24.22 | IAmARelay | :) |
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| 15:24.26 | Danux | cool thanks guys =) |
| 15:24.33 | amar-ze | !alienarena |
| 15:24.44 | IAmARelay | eww |
| 15:24.45 | IAmARelay | !tremulous |
| 15:24.56 | pngwn | !pm |
| 15:24.57 | dpkg | well, pm is private message, or post meridiem, or prime minister, or perl mongers, or pathetic moron: when you see someone say pm, they're asking if you think that they're a pathetic moron, or something you don't do without asking permission, or provocative {preventative} maintenance, or percussive maintenance |
| 15:25.38 | lekvar | hey it means program manager too |
| 15:25.38 | pngwn | as in /msg dpkg ? |
| 15:25.44 | solitude | lekvar, actually .... no |
| 15:25.44 | solitude | but the hardware on that is pretty standard |
| 15:25.44 | solitude | and www.thinkwiki.org == win. |
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| 15:26.31 | yos87 | how to change the user password? |
| 15:26.37 | JeremyK | passwd |
| 15:26.51 | JeremyK | or, if you're tryying to change the password for a specific user, type 'passwd username' |
| 15:28.03 | lekvar | solitude: it should be but udev & friends were causing me endless headaches. i should try it again but i dont care :) |
| 15:28.29 | lekvar | solitude: this was a couple years ago though... it's probably better now |
| 15:29.33 | Azar | heh so sidux is Debian Sid? |
| 15:29.41 | the_sniff | whould apt-get install libc6/stable work? |
| 15:29.45 | xingu | spheard: ntp is a good starting point; debian's ntp plays nice with gpsd too - if you have a consumer gps dongle that plays nice with gpsd, you can synch. directly to the gps constellation's tick |
| 15:30.10 | solitude | the_sniff,no |
| 15:30.23 | solitude | you need to just install libc6 from a the stable partof the mirror |
| 15:30.25 | solitude | edi sources.list |
| 15:30.28 | xingu | spheard: otherwise, ntp and synch to some (trusted) upstrata time source |
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| 15:30.42 | the_sniff | solitude it's the same thing |
| 15:30.52 | the_sniff | the question is if it'll work and not break everything in the middle |
| 15:31.11 | abrotman | the_sniff: why is your libc6 messed up ? |
| 15:31.24 | the_sniff | i installed an untable on sarge : |
| 15:31.24 | the_sniff | :s |
| 15:31.29 | xingu | abrotman: he hauled in openssh-server from sid onto a sarge box. |
| 15:31.33 | the_sniff | unstable openssh |
| 15:31.33 | abrotman | hahahahhaa |
| 15:31.41 | abrotman | <breathe /> |
| 15:31.43 | abrotman | hahahahahhaah |
| 15:31.45 | xingu | abrotman: and now his /bin/ping is showing abnormal rtt |
| 15:31.47 | the_sniff | wtf is wrong with u people |
| 15:31.51 | IAmARelay | OMG |
| 15:32.00 | the_sniff | xingu: no, the memory it totally eaten up |
| 15:32.01 | the_sniff | :W |
| 15:32.09 | abrotman | the_lalelu: how much stuff did it pull besides ssh ? |
| 15:32.16 | IAmARelay | my Applications->Debian->Apps in the launcher menu has disappeared |
| 15:32.25 | xingu | abrotman: libc6, definitely (I asked) |
| 15:32.26 | the_sniff | abrotman not much i guess |
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| 15:32.36 | the_sniff | 15 packages :s |
| 15:32.38 | xingu | abrotman: I'd say ssl too at a guess |
| 15:32.38 | abrotman | the_sniff: you can't guess .. you have to know |
| 15:32.40 | MangosDebian | abrotman: well, my mom called, shes at his house |
| 15:32.48 | the_sniff | 15 packages |
| 15:32.50 | Azar | :) good morning mr abrotman |
| 15:32.52 | abrotman | hi |
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| 15:33.01 | abrotman | the_sniff: do you know which ones they are? |
| 15:33.06 | the_sniff | yeah |
| 15:33.07 | xingu | the_sniff: check datestamps in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 15:33.12 | the_sniff | one of which is libc6 |
| 15:33.30 | solitude | conclusion: |
| 15:33.33 | solitude | find more ram |
| 15:33.35 | solitude | :( |
| 15:33.35 | abrotman | the_sniff: sarge isn't stable .. so getting the libc6 from stable won't help you |
| 15:33.48 | abrotman | !downgrade |
| 15:33.48 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 15:34.03 | the_sniff | abrotman so what should i get? |
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| 15:34.15 | abrotman | a bible |
| 15:34.20 | Azar | hehe |
| 15:34.20 | MangosDebian | :) |
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| 15:34.21 | lekvar | no downgrade? that's just like windows! |
| 15:34.24 | xingu | !prize abrotman |
| 15:34.29 | Azar | sarge isn't stable.... |
| 15:34.30 | abrotman | lekvar: no .. windows has a downgrade |
| 15:34.32 | IAmARelay | cant he remove packages and reinstall ? |
| 15:34.34 | the_sniff | what does a bible have to do with it |
| 15:34.36 | IAmARelay | maybe not libc though |
| 15:34.37 | the_sniff | xingu: http://pastebin.bafserv.com/1323 |
| 15:34.46 | MangosDebian | the_sniff: |read| |
| 15:34.47 | the_sniff | these are the ones from that day |
| 15:34.55 | lekvar | abrotman: no it doesn't (rimshot) |
| 15:35.03 | abrotman | the_sniff: you'll have to attempt the manual downgrade of all the packages that you upgraded from unstable .. and there's still no guarantee it will work |
| 15:35.09 | abrotman | lekvar: yes it does |
| 15:35.16 | DawnLight | MangosDebian: i've bought a null db9 cable |
| 15:35.24 | lekvar | name one thing worse. just one! |
| 15:35.32 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: oh, heya. How did that work for you? |
| 15:35.42 | the_sniff | abrotman: that's what im trying to do. one of them is libc6 and im asking if it won't break in the middle of the downgrade |
| 15:35.43 | DawnLight | i've just got here |
| 15:35.45 | Azar | long story short: install Debian Etch 4.0 (the stable) and stick with its packages.. |
| 15:36.03 | abrotman | the_sniff: no one can tell you with 100% certainty .. |
| 15:36.08 | solitude | sarge is more stable than etch ime. |
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| 15:36.23 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: ahhh. Curious, when you got this device, did you ever bother to read the manual before you tried using it to find out you would need one? :) |
| 15:36.24 | abrotman | solitude: depends on your usage |
| 15:36.35 | the_sniff | abrotman: how about 90%? and why no one? doesnt anyone have an idea if it'll stop in the middle? |
| 15:36.41 | xingu | the_sniff: do you still have locales,libc6,libstdc++6,libgcc1,gcc-4.2-base from sarge in var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 15:37.01 | abrotman | the_sniff: it's not the stop in the middle part .. it's after that |
| 15:37.07 | xingu | the_sniff: part of the problem will be how spectacularly apt/dpkg themselves explode when you reinstall a down-rev libc6 |
| 15:37.14 | the_sniff | xingu yeah |
| 15:37.28 | xingu | the_sniff: yeah to the old packages? |
| 15:37.32 | the_sniff | yes |
| 15:37.50 | the_sniff | libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4_i386.deb |
| 15:37.52 | abrotman | the_sniff: seems to me your options are to attempt the downgrade .. or reinstall |
| 15:37.54 | xingu | the_sniff: good; reboot the box in single user mode; then dpkg -i --force-downgrade them. |
| 15:38.02 | xingu | the_sniff: and pray hard. |
| 15:38.11 | xingu | the_sniff: nb, do them *all* in one command. |
| 15:38.13 | abrotman | !bless the_sniff |
| 15:38.14 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child the_sniff, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 15:38.24 | the_sniff | just a sec. there are later one (which apperanly worked) and i didn't install them |
| 15:38.33 | abrotman | the_sniff: later ones ? |
| 15:38.41 | the_sniff | newer ones |
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| 15:38.56 | the_sniff | which must have worked since the server was alright before |
| 15:39.10 | abrotman | later ones of what? |
| 15:39.12 | the_sniff | libc6_2.5-11_i386.deb was used a month before i thouched that |
| 15:39.12 | xingu | the_sniff: right, so they might be from sarge security updates |
| 15:39.14 | the_sniff | libc |
| 15:39.25 | the_sniff | is libc6_2.5-11_i386.deb a security update? |
| 15:39.31 | abrotman | no |
| 15:39.33 | abrotman | not for sarge |
| 15:39.42 | the_sniff | so how is it that it worked? :S |
| 15:40.04 | wols | the_sniff: luck. fairies |
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| 15:40.19 | xingu | apt needs a --yes-I-am-a-teapot-really-really-do-install-wrong-release-packages |
| 15:40.36 | the_sniff | lol |
| 15:40.42 | the_sniff | yeah |
| 15:40.50 | lekvar | grr i can't get the kernel to compile any faster that 15m |
| 15:40.53 | the_sniff | cause i didn't even read the question |
| 15:41.05 | MangosDebian | xingu: I think a skill testing question would be more apt, don't you? |
| 15:41.27 | MangosDebian | hmmm, apt the right word im looking for there? anyways :) |
| 15:41.33 | xingu | MangosDebian: heh, a small questionairre - "hey Einstein, what do you honestly think is going to happen here?" |
| 15:41.50 | MangosDebian | "How does this make you feel?" |
| 15:41.56 | Azar | maybe he was pinning his sources.. |
| 15:42.08 | xingu | lekvar: try adding CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=4 |
| 15:42.10 | MangosDebian | bah, someone needs to remove that factoid. |
| 15:42.31 | xingu | lekvar: ie to kernel-pkg.conf or to your environment vars. |
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| 15:42.51 | spheard | !user |
| 15:43.21 | abrotman | spheard: need help ? |
| 15:43.26 | DawnLight | MangosDebian: i have the protocol for this thing. it also comes with windows software to give basic commads to it. there is also windows advanced irrigation software for it but i've decided to go the debian way ;). it came with a cable but its not a null db9, its an rs 323 to phone line adaptor, and the phone line goes in the device |
| 15:43.42 | xingu | the_sniff: if you're 100% sure that that libc was installed before, it's a good pick, but it's you providing that guarentee, not us. |
| 15:43.56 | solitude | wow |
| 15:44.01 | spheard | !ntp |
| 15:44.01 | dpkg | it has been said that ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 15:44.03 | solitude | apparently 64 mb ram is considered low too... |
| 15:44.04 | lekvar | xingu = yes with that or =2, same thing, about 14m30s |
| 15:44.06 | abrotman | spheard: msg the bot please |
| 15:44.07 | the_sniff | abrotman, xingu: if i downgrade those packages won't it fuck up openssh? resulting with me not having access? :s |
| 15:44.10 | xingu | the_sniff: just make sure you do the dpkg -i with /everything/ all in one cmdline |
| 15:44.11 | solitude | im cannibalised another machine. |
| 15:44.15 | Blwood | Is there a package for installing xen on debian lenny ? |
| 15:44.16 | abrotman | the_sniff: very likely |
| 15:44.20 | abrotman | i didn't know it was remote |
| 15:44.21 | lekvar | 20-25m w/ no concurency setting |
| 15:44.23 | the_sniff | hmm |
| 15:44.25 | abrotman | the_sniff: who is the other admin ? |
| 15:44.28 | the_sniff | lol |
| 15:44.32 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: well why didnt you say that in the first place lol. if it came with a cable, its probably the right one for the job |
| 15:44.33 | the_sniff | he's in the army |
| 15:44.46 | xingu | lekvar: what hardware? cpu/memory/hdd-rpm-rate ? |
| 15:44.47 | the_sniff | the server didn't have that issue if he was here i guess :P |
| 15:44.48 | abrotman | the_sniff: can you get him dishonorably discharged? :) |
| 15:44.58 | the_sniff | lol i got myself that |
| 15:45.02 | the_sniff | i guess i can get him too:D |
| 15:45.10 | xingu | the_sniff: yes; do not do this remotely, use a physical console. |
| 15:45.18 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: anyways, keep your receipt, although a null modem is truely handy to have around, and cheap enough mistake to not worry anyways |
| 15:45.25 | the_sniff | ok that's going to be difficult lol |
| 15:45.49 | jelly-home | the_sniff: at least install some statically linked shells before in case of fuckup |
| 15:45.55 | the_sniff | sincethe server is in a farm which requires an authorization lol |
| 15:45.57 | lekvar | xingu: it's an e6600 w/ 4g of ram. some 400g seagate |
| 15:46.01 | xingu | the_sniff: right up there with "backup your system before upgrading it" is "arrange physical access" |
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| 15:46.10 | Kamel | moin |
| 15:46.12 | the_sniff | i can do it |
| 15:46.16 | the_sniff | it'll just take time lol |
| 15:46.19 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: chances are the crossover is down in that transceiver device or in the device itself. Have you verified that it does/doesn't work in windows yet? |
| 15:46.21 | abrotman | we have the technology |
| 15:46.28 | DawnLight | MangosDebian: i've bought the null in order to check that my port works with linux. it did under windows with the software utility that came with the device. |
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| 15:46.32 | MangosDebian | s/down/done/ |
| 15:46.43 | xingu | lekvar: wow, that's pokey; my t7200/2G/7200rpm notebook manages ~7min |
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| 15:47.08 | the_sniff | so even a dist upgrade requires phisical access? |
| 15:47.14 | IAmARelay | I feel really bad for you sniff |
| 15:47.20 | the_sniff | dude so do i |
| 15:47.26 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: well, if it works it windows, it was never a cable issue. Although you neglected to mention that cable last night i think :) |
| 15:47.26 | szymon_g | hi, i've got a question: what's the differences between 'standard' kernel and debian's one? i mean: what kind off patches are in debian's? 2.6.21? |
| 15:47.27 | wols | the_sniff: no. dist-upgrading a fucked up install does |
| 15:47.29 | IAmARelay | give me your boss's phone number I'll delay him for you |
| 15:47.37 | lekvar | xingu: i didnt trim it down. this is the whole 2.6.21. this machine is pretty fast in other torture-test stuff too |
| 15:47.43 | abrotman | szymon_g: there's a diff file to show you |
| 15:47.48 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: anyways...do you know the baud rate and settings for the device? |
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| 15:47.51 | xingu | lekvar: got a .config? I'll bench it for you if you want :) |
| 15:47.58 | lekvar | sure hang on |
| 15:48.12 | xingu | lekvar: how's that memory arranged btw, and what chipset? |
| 15:48.28 | szymon_g | abrotman : ekhm.... where can i find it? i've downloaded it using apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.21 and i get only one file (.tar.bz2) |
| 15:48.51 | abrotman | szymon_g: downloaded it from where ? |
| 15:49.29 | szymon_g | from reposytory |
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| 15:49.29 | szymon_g | standard lenny's repos |
| 15:49.31 | abrotman | you mean linux-source-2.6.21 i would think |
| 15:49.37 | szymon_g | yeah |
| 15:49.46 | szymon_g | sorry, linux-source ;p |
| 15:49.57 | DawnLight | MangosDebian: it's okay, i didn't make a mistake, don't feel like you've unintentionally misled me. i want the null cable so i can play with it |
| 15:49.57 | valdyn | szymon_g: read the changelog |
| 15:49.58 | Harley^ | I am currently using Debian Etch. Only one area seems to give me major problems and that is multimedia and particularly video in applications such as iceweasle. I am using2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 11:36:53 CEST 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux. If I do a etch->lenny upgrade, wiill parts such as iceweasle be able to use videos from google and youtube ? |
| 15:50.11 | abrotman | szymon_g: check /usr/share/doc/<paackage>/ |
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| 15:50.19 | DawnLight | the baud is 4800, MangosDebian |
| 15:50.25 | JarJarBinks | !give Harley^ debian-multimedia |
| 15:50.28 | JarJarBinks | hmm |
| 15:50.31 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: apt-get install minicom |
| 15:50.32 | abrotman | Harley^: uhm .. do you have flash installed ? |
| 15:50.36 | abrotman | JarJarBinks: how will that help ? |
| 15:50.50 | IAmARelay | Harley^, what kind of video ? |
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| 15:51.09 | IAmARelay | ahh gogle and youtube |
| 15:51.14 | JarJarBinks | w32codecs, embedded vlc in iceweasel |
| 15:51.16 | abrotman | Harley^: does flash work on any website ? |
| 15:51.17 | Harley^ | abrotman how would I check for flash installed ? |
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| 15:51.22 | abrotman | JarJarBinks: not likely |
| 15:51.28 | Harley^ | abrotman - no |
| 15:51.41 | Harley^ | abrotman - I get swf error |
| 15:51.42 | abrotman | Harley^: go to the adobe.com .. see if the flash site works |
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| 15:51.59 | abrotman | !ndiswrapperplugin |
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| 15:52.01 | abrotman | bah . |
| 15:52.12 | IAmARelay | msg dpkg give IAmARelay debian-multimedia |
| 15:52.19 | valdyn | !nspluginwrapper |
| 15:52.19 | dpkg | well, nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is officially in *unstable*, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
| 15:52.23 | IAmARelay | heh |
| 15:52.26 | abrotman | bah .. i just remembered |
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| 15:52.51 | abrotman | Harley^: see above |
| 15:52.58 | abrotman | Harley^: there is no amd64 flash for linux |
| 15:53.04 | Harley^ | Ah |
| 15:53.05 | abrotman | Harley^: you have to use black magic to make it work |
| 15:53.08 | JarJarBinks | ahh, |
| 15:53.11 | IAmARelay | adobe flash worked for me |
| 15:53.14 | zinx | i don't think there's any amd64 flash period |
| 15:53.14 | abrotman | JarJarBinks: nice try though :) |
| 15:53.21 | JarJarBinks | abrotman: :) |
| 15:53.33 | abrotman | IAmARelay: in which linux and which architecture ? |
| 15:53.33 | JarJarBinks | didn't see the 64 thingy |
| 15:53.40 | IAmARelay | ahh 64 |
| 15:53.45 | DawnLight | wow, i've just figured out where the wierd noise my box makes comes from! whenever i initiate communication over the onboard ethernet, i hear it from my pc speaker |
| 15:53.55 | abrotman | like a modem! |
| 15:54.04 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 15:54.07 | Harley^ | black magic ? :) as in special incantations and such or a program called Black Magic ? ;9 |
| 15:54.10 | solitude | :P |
| 15:54.17 | solitude | i remember modems making squarking noises. |
| 15:54.22 | abrotman | Harley^: the nswrapperplugin thingie |
| 15:54.23 | solitude | takes me back :D |
| 15:54.27 | IAmARelay | sounds like your equipment didnt meet the standard |
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| 15:54.35 | JarJarBinks | DawnLight: put a hammer through the speaker |
| 15:54.48 | MangosDebian | or just unplug it.... |
| 15:54.56 | MangosDebian | well, assuming.... |
| 15:55.04 | abrotman | it's such a lovely sunday ... |
| 15:55.05 | IAmARelay | let's hope the BIOS is not buggy :) |
| 15:55.20 | beardy | MangosDebian: Hmm? |
| 15:55.24 | xingu | abrotman: it pissed down here an hour or so back |
| 15:55.27 | lekvar | xingu: you should have gotten a dcc send ... |
| 15:55.29 | Harley^ | abrotman - if I upgrade from Etch to Lenny there are 730 updates available Maybe it would good to update first from Etch to Lenny ? |
| 15:55.34 | MangosDebian | beardy: ? |
| 15:55.42 | xingu | lekvar: I'm dcc proof sorry |
| 15:55.45 | beardy | 02:08 #debian: < MangosDebian> beardy: home sweet home |
| 15:55.47 | abrotman | Harley^: that depends on your system .. but it's not going to solve your youtube problem |
| 15:55.47 | xingu | lekvar: http or ftp. |
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| 15:56.00 | DawnLight | should i take the board back? its very new |
| 15:56.02 | MangosDebian | beardy: that was hours again :) |
| 15:56.13 | xingu | lekvar: or pastebin :) I can cut/paste with the pros |
| 15:56.23 | abrotman | that's cute .. they've got Solaris flash .. but not amd64 linux flash |
| 15:56.25 | Harley^ | abrotman - I tried the nswrapperplugin and it did not work |
| 15:56.29 | DawnLight | or could this be a software issue |
| 15:56.38 | abrotman | Harley^: errors? |
| 15:56.43 | abrotman | did you restart your browser ? |
| 15:56.44 | xingu | abrotman: they only port to the enterprise-ready platforms ;) |
| 15:56.55 | abrotman | xingu: like solaris x86 |
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| 15:57.04 | abrotman | and osx |
| 15:57.07 | xingu | abrotman: yep; it's unbreakable, my mate larry tells me |
| 15:57.13 | Harley^ | abrotman I had errors two weekends ago but I don;t recall exactly what they were |
| 15:57.34 | abrotman | Harley^: i'd try it again .. upgrading to lenny won't solve that issue for you at all |
| 15:58.24 | Harley^ | True - but it would not create a problem to use nswrapperplugin by upgrading from Etch to Lenny' |
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| 15:58.50 | xingu | um etch uses libc6 2.5 yeah? |
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| 15:59.33 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: did you install minicom yet? |
| 15:59.35 | xingu | 2.3, woo |
| 15:59.55 | xingu | Harley^: lenny is going to frogmarch you into libc6 2.6-land, etch is 2.3... |
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| 16:00.07 | xingu | Harley^: I hope you like pain. :) |
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| 16:00.24 | szymon_g | xingu : 2.3 :-/ |
| 16:00.29 | abrotman | Harley^: you're basically going to put yourself through a lot of crap for no gain |
| 16:00.39 | Harley^ | xingu - hrmm... maybe I'll wait.. :) |
| 16:01.12 | zinx | abrotman: solaris x86? hell, they even make a sparc version. |
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| 16:01.30 | abrotman | zinx: yes .. i know .. but i was referring to xingu's "enterprise ready" comment |
| 16:01.31 | xingu | zinx: they make an em64t version now ;) |
| 16:01.46 | lekvar | xingu - it's a 975x chipset dual ch mem 800mhz 7200rpm drive model ST3400620AS ... i honestly think the default config kernel is just bloated... |
| 16:01.53 | zinx | xingu: i've never seen it |
| 16:02.32 | xingu | lekvar: yep I'd tend to agree however you should know that physical memory layout really matters on 94x/96x/97x chipsets. |
| 16:02.48 | xingu | lekvar: gimme a few secs to fish up the spec for 975... |
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| 16:03.21 | Harley^ | I seems odd that there is no AMD64 Linux flash |
| 16:03.23 | MangosDebian | beardy: * beavel is back up and happily running, sorry, was meant for beavel not you :/ |
| 16:03.35 | Azar | abrotman: ever tried hurd? |
| 16:03.48 | abrotman | not in years |
| 16:03.50 | MangosDebian | beardy: 2007-07-14 20:08:12 |
| 16:03.58 | Blwood | Does someone know if there's a package for installing virtualbox on debian lenny ? |
| 16:04.17 | lekvar | xingu - just grab the current 2.6.21 source from lenny and switch off numa and make it only want 2 cores. it's basicaly stock |
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| 16:04.19 | abrotman | Blwood: appears not |
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| 16:04.33 | Blwood | abrotman, ok thx :( |
| 16:04.40 | lekvar | oh yea and i switched it for core architecture since it's not like i'm cloning the kernel anywhere else |
| 16:04.56 | abrotman | Blwood: packages.debian.org |
| 16:05.35 | Blwood | abrotman, there's a package for debian etch on virtualbox repositories |
| 16:05.39 | DawnLight | MangosDebian: i'm im fear that its my HDD that's doing the knocking sounds. i'll plug out the speaker. BRB |
| 16:05.42 | Blwood | but not lenny :( |
| 16:05.55 | abrotman | !why is virtualbox not in testing |
| 16:05.55 | dpkg | virtualbox is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=virtualbox |
| 16:06.35 | abrotman | must be a different package name |
| 16:07.00 | solemnwarning | I've just added a new disk to a machine with mdadm RAID-5, can I expand the RAID-5 with the new disk? |
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| 16:07.49 | Harley^ | abrotman and xingu - Thanks for the feedback. Much appreciated. |
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| 16:10.54 | xingu | lekvar: for your 4GB layout, do you have all 8 slots populated? |
| 16:11.14 | lekvar | nope, 2 2g sticks |
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| 16:11.34 | xingu | lekvar: that'll really hurt; gimme another 2s. |
| 16:11.48 | lekvar | xingu: arranged for dual channel though. i checked that very carefully. |
| 16:12.08 | Zynx | I have just installed wine, and i am trying to run WoW. But i get this error: Failed to open the service control manager. |
| 16:12.14 | xingu | lekvar: you need to fill all the slots up to get dual channel *interleaved* |
| 16:12.27 | xingu | lekvar: measure with llcbench's "cachebench" |
| 16:12.53 | solemnwarning | ack |
| 16:12.58 | xingu | lekvar: 10GB/s should be possible. |
| 16:13.02 | solemnwarning | mdadm: can only add devices to linear arrays |
| 16:13.16 | solemnwarning | It's impossible to enlarge a RAID-5 array? >:( |
| 16:13.39 | lekvar | xingu - interesting. okey... |
| 16:13.48 | Zynx | Also get the error: err:module:import_dll Libary OPENGL32.dll not found |
| 16:13.56 | Zynx | any suggestions? :) |
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| 16:14.35 | xingu | lekvar: now gimme a few to recompile lenny's kernel here |
| 16:15.04 | alanhaggai | Where can I get a good sources.list which contains all the basic essential packages? |
| 16:15.25 | xingu | lekvar: 945gm; cachebench gets what the specsheet says it should... |
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| 16:16.42 | lekvar | xingu: i'm still building it |
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| 16:18.51 | lekvar | xingu: or more to the poin trying to decide which of these several linux targets is correct |
| 16:18.57 | DawnLight | DebianMangos: i have minicom. what are we doing? |
| 16:19.49 | xingu | lekvar: that's sort of why I was after your .config |
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| 16:19.54 | xingu | lekvar: best to compare apples/apples |
| 16:20.14 | xingu | lekvar: tell you what, I'm going to take a shortcut and just rebuild the sid amd64 .config |
| 16:20.23 | xingu | lekvar: just to get ballpark. |
| 16:21.00 | DawnLight | MangosDebian: i have minicom. what are we doing? |
| 16:21.12 | lekvar | xingu - if i can find out how to make irssi dump a file into pastebin i'll just give it |
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| 16:22.18 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: change the settings to match your b4800,n,8,1 or whatever it needs and try connect with minicom to the device to make sure it works |
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| 16:22.31 | chuckk1 | I have what seems a big problem |
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| 16:22.57 | chuckk1 | every time I try to run an audio program I get "libresmgr.so.0.9.8: cannot open shared object file no such etc etc" |
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| 16:23.11 | mashuuk | Hi |
| 16:23.13 | chuckk1 | but I am not aware of any libresmgr installed on this comp |
| 16:23.20 | mashuuk | Why pidgin 2.0.2 is missing ? |
| 16:23.25 | mashuuk | in sid |
| 16:23.27 | abrotman | because you're using unstable |
| 16:23.35 | chuckk1 | this started when I tried to install csound5 with the csound5 installer |
| 16:23.38 | chuckk1 | abrotman: who? |
| 16:23.42 | abrotman | chuckk1: not you |
| 16:23.47 | abrotman | chuckk1: wtf is csound5 ? |
| 16:23.48 | chuckk1 | abrotman: WHEW |
| 16:24.03 | mashuuk | abrotman, its sid |
| 16:24.06 | mashuuk | :D |
| 16:24.10 | chuckk1 | abrotman: lol a sound synthesis language |
| 16:24.22 | abrotman | mashuuk: yes .. i know .. you can wait it out .. |
| 16:24.29 | chuckk1 | noooo, I d/led the csound installer from csound, NOT a .deb pkg |
| 16:24.30 | abrotman | chuckk1: you installed it from source ? |
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| 16:24.40 | abrotman | chuckk1: then it's done something to one of your libraries |
| 16:24.46 | chuckk1 | not sure it's exactly source, it comes with an installer |
| 16:24.48 | chuckk1 | ok |
| 16:25.09 | chuckk1 | I looked around and libresmgr is something Suse and ubuntu have available but not debian |
| 16:25.16 | chuckk1 | I guessed it may have been replaced by something |
| 16:25.42 | abrotman | i'd ask them |
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| 16:25.46 | chuckk1 | abrotman: tell me straight doc, will this debian install ever play violin again? |
| 16:26.01 | abrotman | chuckk1: you have to find out which file it changed .. debsums might help you |
| 16:26.01 | chuckk1 | or is it CD time again |
| 16:26.07 | xingu | lekvar: CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=4, sid config-2.6.21-2-amd64, 2.6.21.3 kernel.org tree |
| 16:26.09 | chuckk1 | thank you very much |
| 16:26.12 | xingu | lekvar: just as a starting point here. |
| 16:26.30 | zrin | is it possible to change console mode (like with vga= kernel parameter) without rebooting? |
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| 16:26.31 | xingu | lekvar: t7200 (2GHz)/ 2GB DRAM, interleaved. |
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| 16:30.22 | troythetechguy | I made my decision, I'm going to try Debian! However, I'm not sure what to download. I want to do a minimal install, where I have the option of downloading additional packages over the net later, but what architecture do I have? My processor is a celeron 300A |
| 16:30.31 | abrotman | !d-i troythetechguy |
| 16:30.31 | dpkg | troythetechguy, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 16:30.36 | abrotman | troythetechguy: i386 |
| 16:31.04 | xand | troythetechguy: i386,a nd you want the netinstall |
| 16:31.33 | troythetechguy | Thank you! |
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| 16:32.54 | spheard | Im trying to set up virtual domains with exim4, can I automatically redirect mail for vitual domains to remote addresses? the howto writes about forwarding to user@localhost. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/140 |
| 16:33.28 | lekvar | xingu: there isn't a deb for cachebench by any chance? |
| 16:33.37 | xingu | lekvar: not that I know of :) |
| 16:33.49 | xingu | lekvar: it'd be llcbench if there were |
| 16:33.55 | DawnLight | MangosDebian: minicom can't "connect" because the device doesn't have any protocol that enables connection. it has only a commands to open/close valves and a few more basic commands. i don't think it can connect with anything |
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| 16:34.35 | DawnLight | MangosDebian: ther whole protocol is written on one page, which i'm looking at |
| 16:34.36 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: it can |
| 16:34.53 | DawnLight | how? |
| 16:35.20 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: match the port settings and open the line, but instead of dialing a phone number, it just opens the port and sends a break |
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| 16:35.22 | DawnLight | how does it know? it won't get a reply unless it sends out some thing specific |
| 16:35.25 | xingu | lekvar: wow there's lots of crap in there these days :) |
| 16:35.51 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: try send a command (might need to enable local echo if it doesnt echo itself) |
| 16:35.58 | the_sniff | whats the easiest virtal machine i can get debian on? |
| 16:35.58 | chuckk1 | abrotman: it seems extreme, but do you think reinstalling all my lib* files would be a possible solution? |
| 16:36.00 | lekvar | xingu - linux-lam linux-mpich hmmm which target |
| 16:36.03 | the_sniff | smallest that is |
| 16:36.12 | chuckk1 | debsums is finding no sums for most of the packages |
| 16:36.17 | xingu | lekvar: building the kernel.org tree, not the debian patched one |
| 16:36.28 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: all your really trying to do is issue a command, and watch for results (assuming there are just plain ascii, they should be obvious) |
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| 16:36.35 | xingu | lekvar: oh, the llcbench target... um.. lemme see |
| 16:36.52 | lekvar | diffing diffing difing... |
| 16:37.58 | xingu | lekvar: mpich |
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| 16:39.06 | DawnLight | MangosDebian: they won't be ascii, they would be hex. this thing has a very simple protocol. look: http://wgldesigns.com/protocols/rain8net_protocol.pdf |
| 16:39.38 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: it may be hex, but its still going to be a simple ascii response |
| 16:40.12 | lekvar | 'course if you're right about the memory i can just go get more, but that'll change things anyway |
| 16:40.45 | lekvar | maybe catting the whole source tree to /dev/null to get them into ram if it sticks long enough |
| 16:40.49 | xingu | lekvar: not really, at 2GB these compiles are high-90%'s vfs cache hit on a full gnome desktop system running iceweasel... |
| 16:41.13 | DawnLight | i have to rest. see you later |
| 16:41.14 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: "A COM check can be made sending 70h in the first byte. The remaining two bytes can be anything." |
| 16:41.14 | xingu | lekvar: definitely diminish(ing|ed) returns >2GB |
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| 16:41.20 | lekvar | how long does thing typically take to run |
| 16:41.35 | xingu | lekvar: a while; 20-30min, maybe longer ;) |
| 16:41.40 | lekvar | ahhh |
| 16:41.41 | lekvar | okey |
| 16:41.53 | MangosDebian | DawnLight: 70h = "p" in ascii |
| 16:41.59 | lekvar | no need to be root either i hope. i ran it as me. |
| 16:42.05 | xingu | lekvar: that's fine |
| 16:42.16 | xingu | lekvar: it's pure memory bashing if you're just doing cachebench |
| 16:42.23 | lekvar | yea that's it |
| 16:42.36 | lekvar | if you're right about this thing i want to know so i can fix it, or use it as an excuse to buy more toys |
| 16:42.42 | xingu | lekvar: you'll need gnuplot to display the results |
| 16:42.55 | lekvar | xingu - it alread told me so. it wanted g77 also. |
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| 16:43.04 | xingu | lekvar: 1585.68user 232.70system 17:31.61elapsed 172PU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k |
| 16:43.16 | xingu | lekvar: so I guess you're in the right ballpark for a notebook :) |
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| 16:43.43 | xingu | gimme a few to compare/contrast the 975x v 945m MCH's |
| 16:43.48 | lekvar | well it's a shuttle mini chassis but it's reasonably comparable to fullsize 975x in any review benchmarks i read |
| 16:43.50 | blow_fish | anyone having trouble with amule? |
| 16:43.58 | blow_fish | can't download crap |
| 16:44.36 | xand | is that a problem? |
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| 16:46.42 | abrotman | xand: depends on your desires ... |
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| 16:48.03 | lekvar | heck i didnt even install gnome |
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| 16:49.26 | acu | is any tool which creates automatically a website (with consistent drop-down menus etc) ? |
| 16:49.31 | blow_fish | what do you use if not gnome? |
| 16:49.41 | lekvar | fluxbox |
| 16:49.47 | mancubus | blow_fish, xfce |
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| 16:49.58 | Skyrail | I don't use anything |
| 16:50.02 | blow_fish | ahuh |
| 16:50.08 | lekvar | I used to use sawfish but it's not being maintained really |
| 16:51.19 | solemnwarning | How big is a "block" in fdisk? |
| 16:52.02 | lekvar | if i wanted gnome i'd install since they configure it nicely :) |
| 16:52.07 | lekvar | +ubuntu |
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| 16:52.37 | valdyn | solemnwarning: depends on the view |
| 16:52.40 | maxamillion | blow_fish: use xfce ... www.xfce.org its wonderful |
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| 16:53.01 | lekvar | xingu: i set this up on xfs this time around too. i'm not sure if that does much good or bad here... |
| 16:53.09 | Skyrail | What's the command for displaying all network attached devices? |
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| 16:53.27 | solemnwarning | valdyn: Is it often 1K? |
| 16:53.33 | solemnwarning | I mean 1 block == 1K |
| 16:53.46 | valdyn | solemnwarning: its 1k in normal view, 512 bytes in export view |
| 16:53.52 | solemnwarning | thanks |
| 16:54.10 | blow_fish | i tried it before, |
| 16:54.27 | blow_fish | but um, twm is good enough for me |
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| 16:55.28 | xingu | lekvar: if you get interleaved memory mode happening, you'll have double my dram bandwidth. |
| 16:55.31 | valdyn | s/export/expErt/ |
| 16:55.46 | xlq | yay, I like Debian! |
| 16:55.50 | xlq | No more half-broken programs |
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| 16:56.32 | xingu | lekvar: use "gnuplot" then: load "whatever.gp" |
| 16:56.35 | MolePrince | Hello.. Can anyone explain why Kismet wants to install gtk and such? Last I checked it was a console only program.. |
| 16:56.49 | xingu | lekvar: you may need to remove the first line of whatever.gp (which will set the output type to ps or eps) |
| 16:56.51 | xlq | No more ./configure, make, google, make, google, wtf went wrong, google, patch, modify source, make, sudo make install |
| 16:57.15 | lekvar | it's not quite done yet. measuring tuned read now |
| 16:57.15 | valdyn | MolePrince: there's no package named 'gtk' in debian |
| 16:57.39 | xingu | lekvar: you want to see the handread line just a smidge under 10GB/s on the right hand side (ie, once the dcache is defeated); mine's just under 5GB/s as you'd expect |
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| 16:58.07 | xingu | lekvar: in any case, with better memory layout I *theorise* you should be able to knock another 5min off or so. |
| 16:58.22 | xingu | lekvar: but don't put your money where my mouth is, I don't have a 965x reference... |
| 16:58.32 | MolePrince | valdyn: libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-0-bin libgtk2.0-0-common and so forth then.. |
| 16:58.41 | spheard | Hi, can anyone help with setting up virtual domains in exim 4. Im using this help http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/140. it tells me its an unroutable address?! |
| 16:58.45 | xingu | lekvar: borrow enough ddr2/667 to fully populate and test... |
| 16:58.53 | spheard | people seem to have had success in this |
| 16:59.03 | xingu | s/965x/975x/ |
| 16:59.26 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:01.06 | valdyn | MolePrince: kismet depends on wireshark-common, which in turn depends on libglib2.0-0 |
| 17:01.12 | valdyn | MolePrince: i dont see gtk yet |
| 17:01.15 | lekvar | not mentioning game framerates... too tied in with video card plus i have a largeish display |
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| 17:02.23 | xingu | lekvar: games are irrelevant anyway, all that matters is read bandwidth. :) |
| 17:02.45 | lekvar | xingu: tell that to gordon freeman ;) |
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| 17:02.55 | xingu | is he on channel? :) |
| 17:02.55 | MolePrince | valdyn: Neither do I, but when I try to install Kismet it wants to install wireshark-common which in turn wants to install wireshark [despite it not being a dependency] which needs libgtk2.0-0 and bunches of x stuff. |
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| 17:03.02 | spheard | $exim4 -bt user@domian.co.uk tells me user@domain.co.uk cannot be resolved at this time: |
| 17:03.20 | valdyn | MolePrince: sounds like your using aptitude |
| 17:03.31 | valdyn | MolePrince: are you? |
| 17:03.41 | spheard | join #exim |
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| 17:04.02 | claude_monet_imp | hi guys |
| 17:04.16 | claude_monet_imp | I've a little problem with my cv |
| 17:04.19 | claude_monet_imp | ops |
| 17:04.21 | claude_monet_imp | pc |
| 17:04.22 | xingu | lekvar: actually screw plotting it, tail results/*handread.dat will do. |
| 17:04.39 | lekvar | it's been doing tuned write for a while now |
| 17:04.45 | valdyn | !tell claude_monet_imp -about ask |
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| 17:04.56 | Varanger | hello |
| 17:04.56 | xingu | lekvar: it does that after tuned reads |
| 17:05.09 | claude_monet_imp | I would like to install a linux distribution in my VAIO VGN-AR31S |
| 17:05.10 | xingu | lekvar: just gimme the last number in results/*handread.dat |
| 17:05.26 | valdyn | !laptop |
| 17:05.26 | dpkg | [laptop] All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 17:05.31 | lekvar | 536870912 5946.658473 |
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| 17:05.41 | xingu | lekvar: there you go, noninterleaved. |
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| 17:05.56 | lekvar | bah |
| 17:05.57 | xingu | lekvar: within tolerance, about bang on spec |
| 17:05.58 | claude_monet_imp | dpkg: nothing to do |
| 17:06.05 | claude_monet_imp | there is not my model |
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| 17:06.07 | Varanger | foo-1.00 is installed and apt is trying to upgrade it to foo-2.00 ... how can I make apt ignore 2.00 and stay with 1.00 ??? |
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| 17:06.19 | xingu | lekvar: 536870912 4094.700378 |
| 17:06.21 | valdyn | !pinning |
| 17:06.21 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
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| 17:06.25 | valdyn | Varanger: read ^^ |
| 17:06.25 | xingu | lekvar: ^^ notebook. :) |
| 17:06.30 | rox | what's the debian way to install nvidia drivers these days? |
| 17:06.42 | xingu | !tell rox about nvidia one-liner |
| 17:06.52 | valdyn | Varanger: ops, that factoid sucks, just read about it on http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
| 17:07.28 | xingu | lekvar: what does dmidecode think about the actual modules? |
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| 17:07.33 | rox | xingu: thank you |
| 17:07.36 | stopher | Good Monring! |
| 17:07.37 | MolePrince | valdyn: I am. Should I not be? This is in lenny btw. |
| 17:08.11 | claude_monet_imp | :( |
| 17:08.24 | valdyn | MolePrince: no, but aptitude has this feature where it pulls recommends as depends |
| 17:08.25 | hark | Varanger: /msg dpkg hold |
| 17:08.30 | claude_monet_imp | there is my vgn-ar31s |
| 17:08.44 | claude_monet_imp | seems that linux cannot be installed on it |
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| 17:08.55 | lekvar | hang on never used it before... |
| 17:08.59 | valdyn | claude_monet_imp: why would you think that? |
| 17:09.11 | valdyn | claude_monet_imp: or - why dont you ask what your real problem is? |
| 17:09.15 | claude_monet_imp | the laptop has many features |
| 17:09.32 | claude_monet_imp | like Blu-ray disk |
| 17:09.36 | claude_monet_imp | RAID |
| 17:09.44 | claude_monet_imp | there is 2 HD |
| 17:09.54 | claude_monet_imp | and at this moment there is VISTA :( |
| 17:09.56 | MolePrince | valdyn: Aha! Found the switch to turn that off, thanks. ^_^ |
| 17:10.36 | lekvar | oh wait i only have 2g ram. what was i thinking :) |
| 17:10.42 | valdyn | claude_monet_imp: you should read what dpkg told you |
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| 17:11.08 | claude_monet_imp | there isn't my laptop on those sites |
| 17:11.50 | xingu | lekvar: how many physical dimm's? |
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| 17:12.09 | lekvar | two |
| 17:12.16 | xingu | phew |
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| 17:13.08 | xingu | lekvar: odd-numbers of DIMM's on 9[467]5 suck; no symmetric mode either. |
| 17:13.17 | stopher | Is it average for ProFTPd to be slow on debian? Seems like it's dying...now that I finally got it to work :D |
| 17:13.32 | Zuu | hmm.. i just installed debian, version latest. i mounted some existing partition as home. but unfortunately i already had a dir with the name of the new user i made, so when i try to log in now, it just explodes.. i then tried to login with root and it just tells me that im stupid: "The system administrator is not allowed to login from this screen".. what to do ? |
| 17:13.33 | xingu | lekvar: and "different size" counts as "odd numbers" |
| 17:13.37 | xand | ftp sux0r |
| 17:13.51 | lekvar | they're identical |
| 17:14.01 | valdyn | Zuu: you hit ctrl-alt-f1, log in as root, fix things |
| 17:14.12 | wols | Zuu: is X installed/running? |
| 17:14.13 | xingu | lekvar: the layout in asymmetric mode is different - it's a linear append, not a stripe |
| 17:14.17 | Zuu | Ooh |
| 17:14.23 | valdyn | lekvar: you should have differently colored slots |
| 17:14.32 | valdyn | lekvar: each color being one 'channel' |
| 17:14.41 | xingu | lekvar: but with 975 you can interleave as well with all 8 banks full. |
| 17:14.41 | Zuu | valdyn, but how do i fix things.. i mean.. how do i make a new user ? |
| 17:14.50 | lekvar | i have four slots. |
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| 17:14.55 | lekvar | it's a teeny computer |
| 17:15.01 | Zuu | valdyn, just in case you have the command on top of your head :P |
| 17:15.21 | valdyn | lekvar: still 2 colors.? both dimms spread or together in the same 'color' ? |
| 17:15.29 | valdyn | Zuu: 'adduser <name>' |
| 17:15.38 | Zuu | excellent.. thanks :) |
| 17:15.48 | xingu | lekvar: hmm, interesting; maybe no soup for you then anyway, another excuse to borrow first, not buy. |
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| 17:16.20 | lekvar | dmidecode says... Memory Controller Information ... Supported Interleave: One-way Interleave Current Interleave: One-way Interleave |
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| 17:16.32 | Zynx | I windows i always run the resolution 1680x1050. I just installed linux with new Nvidia drivers but i cant choose more than 1280x1024. Is there a place where i can "open" for higher resolutions? |
| 17:16.55 | valdyn | Zynx: run 'xrandr' |
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| 17:17.09 | lekvar | i have to unscrew the lid to check the colors but there are two yes |
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| 17:17.28 | lekvar | afaik i installed the ram to get it interleaved |
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| 17:17.40 | lekvar | i'd have to reboot to check the startup msgs |
| 17:17.54 | wols | Zynx: we don't really support nvidia.com drivers |
| 17:18.26 | ihate88 | help, after updating from etch to lenny the new kernel cannot boot - it can boot up after changing the root attribute in the /etc/grub/menu.lst to "/dev/sda3" instead of "/dev/hda3" - hda became somehow sda :/ now fstab etc are messed up - but only with the new kernel. with the stable kernel everything works fine. i don't wanna mess around too much, is there any help on this? |
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| 17:18.48 | xingu | lekvar: in a sane universe you should get two-way interleaving with all four slots full |
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| 17:18.55 | Skyrail | What's the command for displaying all network attached devices? |
| 17:18.59 | xingu | lekvar: but this is intel so who knows ;) |
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| 17:19.05 | wols | ihate88: yes. edit your fstab |
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| 17:19.12 | xingu | lekvar: test test test again. then spend (oodles of other people's) money |
| 17:19.16 | wols | ihate88: and what etch kernel did you run? |
| 17:19.17 | ihate88 | you mean i should live with sda? |
| 17:19.41 | lekvar | xingu - i work for a subsidiary of amazon and i assure you, they're cheapskates ;) |
| 17:19.44 | wols | yes you should. it won't chnage back in future kernels. again:what is the version of your etch kernel? |
| 17:19.50 | xingu | lekvar: <laugh> |
| 17:19.51 | ihate88 | i have the 2.6.21-2-k7 and 2.6.21-2-486 which both seem to have the same qualities |
| 17:20.02 | lekvar | xingu - but this is my personal toy not a work computer |
| 17:20.05 | lekvar | my work computer is much shittier |
| 17:20.06 | wols | ihate88: I did not ask you that. I asked you what was your etch kernel |
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| 17:20.31 | lekvar | not counting the servers |
| 17:20.42 | ihate88 | it is 2.6.18-4-486 |
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| 17:21.48 | Spyro_boy | Hello. I've been trying to use Aptitude but I keep getting this error: http://paste.tonybox.net/193 |
| 17:21.57 | Spyro_boy | I've tried to force install them but that didn't work. |
| 17:22.06 | Spyro_boy | Any ideas what's going on? |
| 17:22.18 | morpheus8 | /l |
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| 17:22.24 | ihate88 | do ide disks just appear under the scsi layer right now? (like a wanted step) or is something messed up? |
| 17:22.31 | Spyro_boy | Bbl:Eating. |
| 17:22.33 | ihate88 | i mean it was the same for usb drives |
| 17:23.19 | wols | Spyro_boy: /msg dpkg kept back |
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| 17:24.55 | xingu | lekvar: from the looks of things shuttle chopped out your other two memory banks to make room for a second pcie slot |
| 17:25.28 | insta | How can I go about debugging slow transfer speeds between two of my machines? They're both running 2.6.21, both using identical Realtek gigabit cards with the r8169 chipset, connected via a gigabit switch with CAT6. ethtool on both machines shows 1000mbit @ Full duplex. On file transfers, I get about 30 of 1000 mbit |
| 17:25.41 | xingu | lekvar: maybe you should show up at their warehouse with a hatched and chop off their lead engineer's bollock :) |
| 17:25.49 | xingu | s/hatched/hatchet/ |
| 17:25.50 | lekvar | agree |
| 17:26.09 | lekvar | there are four slots |
| 17:26.31 | xingu | lekvar: does the manual say anything about supporting 2GB dualstacked dimms? |
| 17:26.32 | lekvar | it's supposed to be a dual channel memory configuration |
| 17:26.53 | lekvar | i have 2 1gb dimms. i dont know where i got 4 from. |
| 17:27.02 | stopher | how do i use root so i can create a folder in /var/www?? |
| 17:27.11 | lekvar | now if gnuplot would jsut work |
| 17:27.13 | abrotman | su |
| 17:27.17 | ricky | stopher: su - or man sudo |
| 17:27.25 | xingu | lekvar: like I said you might have to chop the first line off the .gp file |
| 17:27.31 | xingu | lekvar: the one that tells it to render to eps |
| 17:27.33 | stopher | hmm i have to do it in terminal? what is the create folder command? |
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| 17:27.39 | xingu | lekvar: then just: load "...gp" |
| 17:27.41 | ricky | stopher: mkdir |
| 17:27.46 | Varanger | hark: I have added "wine hold" to default selections in dpkg... now... how do I erased it from selections?? |
| 17:28.02 | vyrus001 | is there an app out there that will record audio in nix* using only a console interface? |
| 17:28.08 | stopher | ricky: perfect! thanks |
| 17:28.08 | lekvar | chopped. it just says expecting filename either way |
| 17:29.21 | xingu | lekvar: "set term postscript" |
| 17:29.25 | xingu | lekvar: that's the fellow. |
| 17:29.34 | xingu | lekvar: then cd results |
| 17:29.38 | xingu | lekvar: gnuplut |
| 17:29.46 | xingu | lekvar: load "foo.gp" |
| 17:30.30 | stopher | what is the vim command for "save as"? |
| 17:30.30 | xingu | stopher: :w saveasfilename |
| 17:30.31 | stopher | xingu: thanks |
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| 17:32.25 | lekvar | hnmmm |
| 17:32.36 | stopher | is there an easy command in vim to clear all? |
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| 17:32.52 | ricky | stopher: :%d |
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| 17:33.08 | stopher | ricky: awesome, thanks |
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| 17:33.28 | ricky | stopher: ggdG is a "nice"-looking one too :) yay Vim! |
| 17:33.30 | lekvar | gnuplot's not working out too well |
| 17:34.02 | xingu | lekvar: of course if you really want to see stunning memory bandwidth, grab a series 8 nvidia and take a look into cuda |
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| 17:34.22 | Arwen | um, why does debian ship with non-original cdrtools? |
| 17:34.22 | xingu | lekvar: is it opening a window at all? |
| 17:34.25 | lekvar | no |
| 17:34.38 | abrotman | !wodim |
| 17:34.38 | dpkg | methinks wodim is a DFSG compliant fork of cdrecord. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ about the release notice. |
| 17:34.39 | ricky | wodim? |
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| 17:35.08 | SoulChild | Yooo |
| 17:35.28 | xingu | lekvar: you've removed "set term postscript" from the plot? |
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| 17:36.01 | stopher | ricky: would you mind taking a look at a conf file for me and point out an obvious failures? its apache's source file I'm working on I have it in pastebin now |
| 17:36.17 | geoaxis | can any one point out which command can help me copy stuff off a curropted DVD (skipping a few blocks) |
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| 17:36.24 | lekvar | the gp file is onloy 689 bytes long |
| 17:36.31 | ma3x | is root.img necessary when installing from floppies? |
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| 17:36.41 | ricky | stopher: Sure, although #apache may be even more useful if I miss a lot of things. |
| 17:36.46 | xingu | lekvar: that's right, it load's the datasets |
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| 17:37.24 | xingu | lekvar: cwd must be the results dir, and "load" really does need the filename in ""'s |
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| 17:38.27 | stopher | ricky: http://pastebin.ca/620671 --thanks! |
| 17:38.36 | lekvar | actually just on the odd chance it's not hardware but some kernel config weirdness, i COULD install one of these kernels i just build |
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| 17:42.26 | Cyllene | Hi. |
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| 17:42.32 | acu | Iceweasel quits unexpectedly and preety often - Debian Etch - Iceweasel 2.0004 - anyone knows why ? |
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| 17:42.51 | Cyllene | In my debian install I have a bunch of users and groups (irc, uucp, fax, etc) that I don't think I need |
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| 17:42.58 | Cyllene | Is it safe to remove them? |
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| 17:43.17 | valdyn | Cyllene: who made those groups? |
| 17:43.19 | Cyllene | Including sys, bin, and daemon. |
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| 17:43.31 | abrotman | no |
| 17:43.33 | ricky | stopher: What do you mean by the entire default conf file? |
| 17:43.35 | Cyllene | valdyn: The debian installer. |
| 17:43.44 | valdyn | Cyllene: no it didnt |
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| 17:43.56 | stopher | ricky: Hmm, its /etc/apache2/sites-available/default file...sorry not the conf file :P |
| 17:43.56 | valdyn | Cyllene: not irc, uucp, fax |
| 17:44.04 | Cyllene | I know that I did not put those groups there. |
| 17:44.07 | SoulChild | Any intersting news ??? |
| 17:44.14 | zrin | I have a LV /dev/vg/swap which I can't remove - "device busy"; I've turned off swap, removed it from fstab, zeroed the whole LV, rebooted the system, but "lvremove" and "dmsetup remove" still say it's busy?!? What shall I try next? fuser revealed nothing... |
| 17:44.43 | abrotman | valdyn: i have it on my system |
| 17:44.43 | SoulChild | !news |
| 17:44.43 | abrotman | some of them |
| 17:44.43 | Gge | I have a problem with nm-applet 0.6.4.7 ... like there are in many posts in forums " no network connection " but connection is in afct ok . What is the real status / fix ? |
| 17:44.56 | Cyllene | valdyn: I checked with find but did not find any files belonging to sys, daemon, bin, uucp, fax, cdrom, or any others |
| 17:44.56 | valdyn | Cyllene: its some application(s) you installed that added some of those groups |
| 17:44.57 | zrin | is there a way to see _what_ is using a device |
| 17:44.59 | abrotman | Cyllene: when certain packages get installed .. it creates the users |
| 17:45.19 | valdyn | Cyllene: the cdrom group controls who can use your cdrom device |
| 17:45.30 | ricky | stopher: And what's with the NameVirtualHost *.*? |
| 17:45.39 | Cyllene | valdyn: What are the relevant programs/files ot that group? |
| 17:45.43 | Cyllene | *to |
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| 17:45.57 | valdyn | Cyllene: /dev/whatever |
| 17:46.04 | stopher | ricky: the paragraph attached said something about it, i thought it had to be added? |
| 17:46.16 | valdyn | Cyllene: you shouldnt remove groups that belong to programs you installed |
| 17:46.38 | Cyllene | Except, valdyn, I did not install an IRC or UUCP server. |
| 17:46.55 | ricky | stopher: Hmm, I've never seen that before- NameVirtualHost * should be correct, though. |
| 17:47.15 | stopher | ricky: Okay, so I should be ok with dropping the . * |
| 17:47.28 | geoaxis | damaged dvd, need to copy a file (may be missing blocks), can any one suggest |
| 17:47.41 | Cyllene | valdyn: I am positive that those groups where there when I installed debian. |
| 17:47.42 | stopher | ricky: and everything else in the file that is currently there should be erased when this is entered? |
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| 17:48.19 | ricky | stopher: Well, you might also want to consider splitting that into two files (one for example.com and one for myothercompany.com. |
| 17:48.24 | valdyn | Cyllene: its from a package, its probably a group controlling access to a possible device in /dev/ |
| 17:48.45 | Cyllene | Ok |
| 17:48.51 | stopher | ricky: how do I get it to choose which file for what? I thought they all had to be within the same file? |
| 17:49.18 | Cyllene | But `find -group irc` did not report any files on my system belonging to irc, valdyn |
| 17:49.43 | valdyn | Cyllene: yep, same |
| 17:49.56 | abrotman | the users don't get removed after the package is uninstalled |
| 17:50.00 | abrotman | AFAIK anyways |
| 17:50.06 | valdyn | abrotman: right |
| 17:50.06 | Cyllene | So if that's the case, is it safe to remove that user/group? |
| 17:50.09 | ricky | stopher: Take a look at man a2ensite |
| 17:50.23 | abrotman | valdyn: possibly a security issue! mass bug filing time! |
| 17:51.30 | valdyn | Cyllene: those groups dont hurt, removing them might potantially break something. Why does the group bother you? |
| 17:51.42 | stopher | ricky: do I type that into terminal? returns: "no manual entry for a2ensite" |
| 17:51.46 | spheard | can mutt handle mbox format? |
| 17:51.59 | Cyllene | It's taking up a few bytes of space. |
| 17:52.02 | stopher | ricky: it works w/o the man |
| 17:52.06 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 17:52.10 | Cyllene | The point is that it's there but it doesn't need to be |
| 17:52.23 | stopher | ricky: do I just enable every site I want and it will automatically detect the virtual hosts? |
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| 17:53.05 | ricky | stopher: Well, you basically make a file in sites-available and then a2ensite it, which will symlink it into sites-enabled (and apache will read the conf file) |
| 17:53.09 | valdyn | spheard: sure |
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| 17:53.39 | stopher | ricky: okay i'll give it a try! |
| 17:53.43 | valdyn | Cyllene: groups dont go away by removing the name-value mapping btw |
| 17:53.49 | spheard | valdyn :-/ mail is hard |
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| 17:53.58 | valdyn | !be a mail barbie |
| 17:53.59 | dpkg | Aww, mail is HARD! Let's go shopping, valdyn |
| 17:54.57 | ricky | Hehehe. |
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| 17:55.47 | spheard | Im trying to set up virtual domains, its very confusing |
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| 17:56.27 | stopher | ricky: does each seperate site virtual host file need the NameVirtualHost * header still? |
| 17:56.42 | ricky | stopher: I think you just need that once. |
| 17:57.01 | stopher | ricky: once would be in the default file? |
| 17:57.33 | spheard | stick it at the bottom of your apache2.conf |
| 17:57.46 | ricky | Both of those work. |
| 17:58.00 | ricky | (Since 000-default will be loaded first anyway) |
| 17:58.23 | Skyrail | I'm connecting to this Debian machine through SSH from a Kubuntu machine and it goes ok until I leave it for a while in which the terminal freezes and the connection to the Debian machine can't be found (i.e. I can't ping it), when I swap the keyboard/mouse/screen over to the Debian machine and try and ping the kubuntu machine it's all ok, so I switch back over and everything works again, any ideas? |
| 17:58.47 | spheard | 's true tho I usually a2dissite default |
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| 17:59.10 | Spyro_boy | wols, thanks |
| 17:59.13 | ricky | Aha. |
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| 17:59.25 | xingu | Skyrail: check that the netmasks on both systems agree. |
| 17:59.32 | Skyrail | xingu: ok :) |
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| 18:00.38 | armbar | hello |
| 18:00.40 | hollywoodb | how to change system from UTC to localtime ? |
| 18:01.25 | Skyrail_ | xingu: both of the netmasks are set the same :/ |
| 18:01.39 | abrotman | /etc/default/rcS |
| 18:01.44 | streuner | !locales |
| 18:01.44 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 18:01.53 | streuner | !listvals tzconfig |
| 18:01.55 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'tzconfig' by value (6): set time ;; dst change ;; timezone ;; est ;; setting time ;; ntp. |
| 18:02.05 | streuner | !set time |
| 18:02.05 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 18:02.33 | stopher | ricky: after those changes I made: this is coming up: http://pastebin.ca/620698 |
| 18:02.35 | xingu | Skyrail: it was a shot in the dark; check your system logfiles, particularly /var/log/kern.log |
| 18:02.42 | Azar | tarzeau: |
| 18:02.51 | Skyrail_ | xingu: heh ok |
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| 18:03.59 | hollywoodb | yeah, I installed using the business card ISO and I don't have a few basic tools like `less` and `tzconfig` |
| 18:04.09 | abrotman | you could install them |
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| 18:04.31 | armbar | If I want to use a preseed file I have to either remaster the cd or install from usb? Assuming no network connection. |
| 18:04.51 | armbar | or can I install from cd and point to a preseed file on usb? |
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| 18:05.30 | ricky | stopher: What's line 185 in apache2.conf? |
| 18:06.21 | SoulChild | is there a OS-X like taskbar for gnome ? |
| 18:07.13 | stopher | ricky: not sure, I'll look it up. VIM doesn't have a way to jump to a line does it? |
| 18:07.21 | Skyrail_ | xingu: which logs besides the kern.log would be useful for finding out info about networking? |
| 18:07.29 | tbamr | is it possible to restore default files in /etc/pam.d/ ? someone here deleted the whole /etc/pam.d by mistake. |
| 18:07.45 | tbamr | damn it. |
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| 18:08.08 | ricky | stopher: :line number[enter] or [number]G |
| 18:08.20 | abrotman | set ruler |
| 18:08.25 | tbamr | abrotman, ? |
| 18:08.27 | tbamr | :) |
| 18:08.32 | tbamr | any ideas man ? |
| 18:08.34 | abrotman | tbamr: nothing to do with you |
| 18:08.48 | abrotman | tbamr: find the packages that put files there .. and reinstall the conf files |
| 18:08.49 | stopher | ricky: 185,1: Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load |
| 18:08.59 | SoulChild | i am looking for a taskbar that looks like macOS-X's! |
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| 18:09.21 | tbamr | abrotman, yeah the package is libpam-runtime. |
| 18:09.28 | Math^ | hello, I've got a backup of my old home directory, and I only want to view my old Sticky Notes, but I cant find the config file |
| 18:09.31 | Math^ | Anyone know where it is? |
| 18:09.33 | tbamr | abrotman, did reinstall apt-get install libpam-runtime |
| 18:09.36 | tbamr | not working |
| 18:09.37 | tbamr | :( |
| 18:09.38 | abrotman | !tell tbamr about confmiss |
| 18:10.08 | Math^ | Gnome Sticky Notes |
| 18:10.24 | tbamr | abrotman, thanks :) |
| 18:10.32 | tbamr | abrotman, so it's apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install libpam-runtime |
| 18:10.49 | ricky | stopher: And does /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php... exist? |
| 18:11.00 | tbamr | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install libpam-runtime |
| 18:11.02 | tbamr | :P |
| 18:11.05 | tbamr | will use that |
| 18:11.12 | abrotman | tbamr: try it and see |
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| 18:11.24 | steve99_ | hi |
| 18:11.24 | abrotman | Math^: should be under your .gnome2 directory i'd think |
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| 18:11.34 | Zta | Is there a way to set xresources (specifically for xterm) on the command line? I'd prefer setting them on the command in a script rather than in a .Xdefaults file. |
| 18:11.37 | steve99_ | im getting a error with the ati drivers, can someone plz be of assistance to me |
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| 18:11.52 | geoaxis | damaged dvd, need to copy a file (may be missing blocks), can any one suggest (2nd time..i have googled it ) |
| 18:12.00 | Math^ | abrotman: ok thnx... |
| 18:12.10 | Math^ | abrotman: I will take a look again |
| 18:12.25 | xlq | When I shut down Debian, I got a warning that the hard disk might not have spun down properly. The message was too quick to note down |
| 18:12.31 | xlq | Should I be concerned with this? |
| 18:12.37 | xlq | I haven't noticed it with older kernels. |
| 18:12.54 | steve99_ | fglX11AllocateManagedSurface: __FGLTexMgrAllocMem failed!! |
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| 18:13.14 | Math^ | abrotman: ~/.gnome2/stickynotes_applet :) |
| 18:13.21 | abrotman | Math^: foudn them ? |
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| 18:13.37 | Math^ | ye, finnaly somebody told me in #gnome :) |
| 18:13.44 | abrotman | i gave you a good hint! |
| 18:13.49 | Math^ | ye :D |
| 18:14.05 | local | aptitude install is telling me "not replacing deleted config file...." when installing a package... the package was purged "After" someone manuallyed deleted an /etc config file.... from the packages... aptitude knows they were manaually deleted and refuses to put them back in! how can this be fixed? |
| 18:14.05 | aptitude | ...but install is already something else... |
| 18:14.34 | abrotman | !tell local about confmiss |
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| 18:14.58 | local | thanks abrotman brb |
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| 18:15.35 | mark87 | hi can anyone help me with mysql |
| 18:15.41 | stopher | ricky: ls of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled : http://pastebin.ca/620716 |
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| 18:17.10 | ricky | stopher: Wow, I have no idea what could be causing that. |
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| 18:17.27 | mark87 | basicly webmin says it is installed but i can not run it and when i try to run it it sais failed |
| 18:17.39 | stopher | ricky: Darn, should i try a reboot? |
| 18:17.43 | abrotman | stopher: permissions ? |
| 18:17.43 | mark87 | well install it and trys to run then says failed |
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| 18:17.54 | stopher | abrotman: permissions of what? |
| 18:18.06 | abrotman | that file |
| 18:18.09 | xingu | !webmin |
| 18:18.09 | dpkg | from memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
| 18:18.18 | foutrelis | stopher: dude, why do you have both php4 and php5 enabled? |
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| 18:18.30 | stopher | permissions of *.load? there's a lot of differen't .load files |
| 18:18.33 | abrotman | stopher: also .. php4.load is a symlink .. is /etc/apache2/mods-available/php4.load there ? |
| 18:18.54 | stopher | foutrelis: because aptitude said different installs that i did needed php4 and others needed php5 |
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| 18:19.46 | mark87 | ok all i need to kow is how to get mysql working |
| 18:19.50 | stopher | abrotman: php4.load is there |
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| 18:20.13 | stopher | how did you guys come to a consensus that the problems was the php files? just wondering? |
| 18:20.17 | abrotman | stopher: ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-available/php4.load |
| 18:20.53 | stopher | abrotman: No such file or directory |
| 18:20.55 | stopher | hmm nice! |
| 18:21.16 | abrotman | i get a cookie! |
| 18:21.21 | ricky | Weerird. |
| 18:21.26 | ricky | **Weeird. |
| 18:21.28 | abrotman | even though you just told me it was there |
| 18:21.37 | foutrelis | a2dismod php4 ? :P |
| 18:21.47 | stopher | GUI does say it's there :D |
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| 18:21.58 | stopher | foutrelis: what does a2dismod? |
| 18:22.04 | abrotman | disables the module |
| 18:22.13 | stopher | do i need to do that to php4? |
| 18:22.28 | foutrelis | stopher: What abrotman said. It basically deletes the symbolic link from mods-enabled |
| 18:22.48 | stopher | so i should do a2dismod php4 then, right |
| 18:22.54 | foutrelis | stopher: Because there is a php5 in there :P |
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| 18:23.44 | abrotman | steaks |
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| 18:24.26 | stopher | OK! new problem :) http://pastebin.ca/620724 |
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| 18:24.42 | Bogus8 | I run an app that rm's a directory that it needs (silly I know) is there anyway to make that dir writable but not deletable? |
| 18:24.51 | lindenle | is there a way to dump a generic xorg.conf file from the server |
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| 18:25.06 | lindenle | I am getting an xrandr error about my fb being too small |
| 18:25.10 | PepperBob | hi all! |
| 18:25.25 | PepperBob | is SHMALL measured in pages on debian? |
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| 18:25.33 | abrotman | stopher: touch /etc/apache2/mods-available/php4.load |
| 18:25.48 | foutrelis | abrotman: ^.^ |
| 18:25.49 | lindenle | nm --config |
| 18:26.44 | stopher | abrotman: okay i 'touched it' now what |
| 18:27.32 | MangosDebian | stopher: pervert |
| 18:27.39 | stopher | abrotman: ran /etc/init.d/apaceh2 force-reload again...got the same problem |
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| 18:29.45 | stopher | abrotman: any new ideas? |
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| 18:30.19 | abrotman | stopher: same error ? |
| 18:30.26 | stopher | abrotman: yep |
| 18:30.34 | Skyrail_ | PepperBob lol, although I'm guessing you just missed the / you just answered my question kinda :B |
| 18:30.50 | PepperBob | hehe |
| 18:30.52 | abrotman | stopher: /msg dpkg confmiss .. reinstall libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 18:30.54 | PepperBob | what was you question? |
| 18:31.04 | PepperBob | @Skyrail_ ^ |
| 18:31.08 | Nyle | is there any java plugin for amd46 |
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| 18:31.47 | Skyrail_ | I need someone to point me in the right direction for looking through kernels and learning, i've check kernelnewbies.org but the howto is in complete, I dind't realise there was a kernel chat :) but I still need to find a site ¬¬ |
| 18:32.09 | PepperBob | Skyrail_: ah! ;) |
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| 18:32.23 | Nyle | amd64* |
| 18:32.58 | streuner | !tell Nyle about amd64 |
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| 18:33.16 | chuckkh | I tried reinstalling all the lib packages I have from apt, and jackd and qjackctl, and I removed all Csound from my system (which I installed recently), but qjackctl still looks for this mysterious libresmgr.so file |
| 18:33.20 | Nyle | I got everything running except java plugin |
| 18:33.22 | chuckkh | anyone ever heard of such a thing? |
| 18:33.24 | PepperBob | okay, it seems as if SHMALL is measured in bytes for anyone who is interested ;) |
| 18:33.26 | Nyle | java is installed and i can use limewire |
| 18:33.31 | Nyle | but no java plugin for browser |
| 18:33.35 | Nyle | thats all thats left, and im done |
| 18:33.38 | Nyle | my desktop will be set |
| 18:33.42 | chuckkh | I checked out debsums, I'm not sure how to tell it where to get the proper sums |
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| 18:34.14 | Bogus8 | I run an app that rm's a directory that it needs (silly I know) is there anyway to make that dir writable but not deletable? |
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| 18:34.26 | pipeline | Nyle: mozilla has its own ABI, so things often lag behind. |
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| 18:35.06 | lindenle | Hi I am getting the error: "xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1600x1600" with xrandr, anyone know how to fix it? |
| 18:35.07 | stopher | abrotman: dpkg not responding to: /msg dpkg confmiss .. reinstall libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 18:35.11 | valdyn | Nyle: there's no 64-bit sun java plugin, you can a) use nspluginwrapper or b) something like java-gcj-compat-plugin |
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| 18:35.21 | Nyle | ahh |
| 18:35.23 | Nyle | well |
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| 18:35.29 | Nyle | I have a 32bit debian etch installed also |
| 18:35.34 | Nyle | I'll just use the browser in chroot |
| 18:35.45 | Nyle | or I could always just ssh -X to my laptop and run stuff there |
| 18:35.50 | acu | I run debian linux and postgresql 8.1 - I created the database and users however from either moodle or ez-publish the database cannot be accessed (some authentification) trough the web - I have php5 installed - what module I might miss ? |
| 18:35.51 | securi | Can i get shockwave flash for debian? |
| 18:35.52 | Nyle | i think thats what i'll do |
| 18:35.55 | Nyle | !flash |
| 18:35.56 | dpkg | methinks flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 18:36.01 | Nyle | read |
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| 18:36.23 | abrotman | !tell stopher about confmiss |
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| 18:37.01 | pipeline | Nyle: You're probably better off working the other way around. |
| 18:37.19 | stopher | abrotman: okies im lost :| |
| 18:37.23 | Nyle | pipeline: what do you mean?" |
| 18:37.25 | pipeline | Nyle: Since I have more than 4G of RAM, I have an amd64 kernel with pure 32 bit userland. I only have a 64 bit chroot that's big enough to build kernel modules, nothing more. |
| 18:37.29 | securi | Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 18:37.30 | rhsanborn | I'm in the market for a new laptop and given the option for a clean slate I'm curious if anyone knows how easy and nice it is to dual boot a mac system over a new vista laptop... |
| 18:37.42 | securi | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 18:37.42 | securi | is only available from another source |
| 18:37.44 | abrotman | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 18:37.53 | pipeline | Nyle: I mean, virtually no software benefits from 64 bit. The main advantage is available system RAM: 36 bit addressing is *incredibly* slow. |
| 18:37.57 | stopher | abrotman: can i just aptitude "libapache2-mod-php4? |
| 18:37.58 | tbamr | stopher, apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <package> |
| 18:38.00 | Nyle | dude |
| 18:38.01 | Nyle | no |
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| 18:38.20 | tbamr | !beer abrotman |
| 18:38.28 | tbamr | ;) |
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| 18:38.43 | jetscreamer | !sacrifice Nyle |
| 18:38.46 | securi | then what? |
| 18:38.56 | jetscreamer | !comfort Nyle |
| 18:38.56 | dpkg | There, there, Nyle. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 18:39.06 | tbamr | haha |
| 18:39.07 | jetscreamer | !eat Nyle |
| 18:39.17 | securi | can anyone help? |
| 18:40.12 | mrsno | securi its stored in 'non-free' which it looks like you are missing that section in your sources.list |
| 18:40.14 | themill | securi: the package is in contrib |
| 18:40.15 | MangosDebian | xingu: you there? |
| 18:40.24 | mrsno | securi not non-free sorry, contrib |
| 18:40.32 | securi | whats contrib? |
| 18:40.43 | pipeline | Nyle: yeah, yeah, extra registers. Turns out, that just doesn't matter much in real-world code. |
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| 18:40.51 | themill | !tell securi about contrib |
| 18:41.03 | pipeline | Nyle: x86 processors have such elaborate instruction decode and register-rename faculties, the registers exposed to the programmer are pretty much irrelevant. |
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| 18:41.33 | securi | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 18:41.41 | Nyle | wait no |
| 18:41.41 | securi | iv added it to my sources list... |
| 18:41.43 | Nyle | hold on |
| 18:41.46 | Nyle | I'm at work |
| 18:41.58 | Nyle | ok |
| 18:42.00 | Nyle | I am back |
| 18:42.03 | MangosDebian | anyone know what a optically isolated input might use for a signal? |
| 18:42.07 | securi | so have i done it wrong? |
| 18:42.08 | securi | mrsno? |
| 18:42.11 | securi | themill ? |
| 18:42.13 | Nyle | hey |
| 18:42.15 | securi | Nyle ? |
| 18:42.27 | Nyle | ever since I started using amd64 I have noticed my desktop is almost twice as fast in donig things |
| 18:42.32 | Nyle | than on 386 |
| 18:42.39 | Nyle | amd64 is blazing fast on thi 3.5ghz core 2 |
| 18:42.41 | themill | securi: have you run "aptitude update" ? |
| 18:42.42 | valdyn | Nyle: it cant be twice as fast |
| 18:42.52 | Nyle | valdyn: percieved |
| 18:42.55 | valdyn | Nyle: you should use *some* benchmark, not feeling |
| 18:42.56 | stopher | abrotman: okay, it's apt-getting |
| 18:43.00 | MangosDebian | Nyle: is that compared to i386 compiled code on the same system? |
| 18:43.13 | Nyle | valdyn: in building amarok collections, and compiling debian packages, its FAST man |
| 18:43.13 | valdyn | Nyle: it should be ~10% faster IF the additional registers matter at all, at a maximum |
| 18:43.18 | Nyle | trust me, its faster than 32bit |
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| 18:43.28 | Nyle | I was like whoah man |
| 18:43.30 | Nyle | this is fast |
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| 18:43.34 | tbamr | is this advertisement ? |
| 18:43.38 | tbamr | :D |
| 18:43.38 | securi | themill no how do i do that |
| 18:43.48 | valdyn | Nyle: use a benchmark... |
| 18:43.53 | Nyle | valdyn: I did |
| 18:44.00 | Nyle | valdyn: it IS faster |
| 18:44.02 | stopher | abrotman: *** php4.load (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [Default=N] ? |
| 18:44.20 | Nyle | on 32bit etch my amarok collection took close to 4-5 minutes to scan |
| 18:44.22 | Nyle | and build |
| 18:44.22 | mrsno | securi at the terminal, apt-get update or aptitude update |
| 18:44.23 | mrsno | as root |
| 18:44.24 | valdyn | Nyle: then link the benchmark.... |
| 18:44.29 | mrsno | then try your install command again |
| 18:44.31 | abrotman | stopher: Y |
| 18:44.33 | securi | just done that |
| 18:44.35 | Nyle | on amd64 I am doing the same in under 40 sec |
| 18:44.35 | securi | what now? |
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| 18:44.41 | eddie | http://www.pastebin.ca/620745 |
| 18:44.47 | valdyn | Nyle: so disk scanning goes faster on 64-bit? |
| 18:44.52 | valdyn | umm |
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| 18:44.58 | eddie | can someone maybe take a look at that for me??? and maybe tell when i am doing wrong? |
| 18:44.59 | Nyle | valdyn: I have not ran any official benchmarks but if you think amd64 is not faster than 32bit then you're crazy |
| 18:45.03 | Bogus8 | how can I search in a directory for a file "containing text xxxxxx" |
| 18:45.09 | securi | i still get the same error |
| 18:45.10 | abrotman | grep |
| 18:45.11 | Nyle | valdyn: i dunno, you're claiming its no different |
| 18:45.11 | securi | when i type in |
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| 18:45.16 | Nyle | valdyn: you tell me |
| 18:45.21 | securi | apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:45.32 | stopher | abrotman: okay, all done: now getting: http://pastebin.ca/620749 |
| 18:45.35 | mrsno | securi then you haven't ran apt-get update , or aptitude update |
| 18:45.43 | securi | i have though lol |
| 18:45.50 | mrsno | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.56 | mrsno | paste the output to a pastebin document |
| 18:46.01 | abrotman | stopher: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 18:46.24 | stopher | abrotman: same error |
| 18:46.32 | eddie | http://www.pastebin.ca/620745 <<< my preseed.cfg is acting odd... |
| 18:46.35 | abrotman | stopher: killall apache2 |
| 18:46.52 | pipeline | Nyle: "You have noticed." What a crock of shit. Hard data do not agree. |
| 18:46.58 | stopher | abrotman: apache2: no process killed |
| 18:47.09 | pipeline | Nyle: You can tape foil to the side, too. That will make it seem "nearly twice as fast" :D |
| 18:47.15 | pipeline | Nyle: It may be EVEN MORE effective! |
| 18:47.18 | abrotman | killall apache ? |
| 18:47.22 | Nyle | sarcasm is useless |
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| 18:47.29 | securi | mrsno: http://pastebin.com/m1e39d53f |
| 18:47.31 | Nyle | you're showing off your technical knowledge of shit |
| 18:47.39 | Nyle | im simiply saying, hey look, this is what i saw |
| 18:47.48 | stopher | abrotman: okay, now its just returned the SERVER:/# prompt |
| 18:47.49 | Nyle | whos wrong and whos right |
| 18:47.52 | Nyle | i dunno, neither do i care |
| 18:47.53 | jakub_ | x |
| 18:47.55 | Nyle | i just want java to work |
| 18:47.56 | zinx | Nyle: it's a well known and proven fact that humans can see things that aren't there |
| 18:47.58 | jakub_ | hi users of debian |
| 18:47.59 | eddie | dose anyone here know anything about preseed.cfg?? |
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| 18:48.02 | jakub_ | i have a great offer for you |
| 18:48.07 | Nyle | if you want to help with that, then cool, if not, don't tell me im crock of shit |
| 18:48.08 | jakub_ | WoW windows vista only for $19.95 |
| 18:48.08 | Nyle | kthx |
| 18:48.09 | Nyle | . |
| 18:48.11 | jakub_ | :-D |
| 18:48.12 | securi | LOL |
| 18:48.13 | securi | ban |
| 18:48.15 | jakub_ | no |
| 18:48.17 | jakub_ | no :-D |
| 18:48.18 | zinx | Nyle: things that go away with proper testing. |
| 18:48.19 | jakub_ | it`s only joke |
| 18:48.20 | jakub_ | :-)) |
| 18:48.32 | securi | :P |
| 18:48.33 | securi | http://pastebin.com/m1e39d53f |
| 18:48.34 | jakub_ | i`m debian too |
| 18:48.36 | eddie | is irc irc.debian.org dead? |
| 18:48.39 | securi | so anyone got any clues why its doing that? |
| 18:48.42 | abrotman | stopher: fuser -n tcp 80 |
| 18:48.50 | rox | eddie: i thought it pointed to freenode |
| 18:48.55 | Nyle | zinx: I understand. Many times scanning my 100gb amarok collection. 4-5 minutes on my 32bit etch, same computer. using amd64 it takes under a minute. |
| 18:48.58 | mrsno | securi in your sources.list try commenting out the deb cdrom line with # characters at the start of the line |
| 18:49.01 | stopher | abrotman: done: SERVER:/# prompt |
| 18:49.01 | Nyle | zinx: each time. you tell me whats going on |
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| 18:49.02 | mrsno | then apt-get update and try once more |
| 18:49.05 | jakub_ | nobody wants vista ? |
| 18:49.06 | eddie | rox noope. |
| 18:49.13 | jakub_ | it`s great stable system ;-) |
| 18:49.14 | valdyn | securi: doing what? |
| 18:49.15 | rox | eddie: or oftc |
| 18:49.26 | securi | valdyn |
| 18:49.28 | securi | installing flash |
| 18:49.28 | eddie | rox, what do you know about debian preseed,cfg? |
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| 18:49.29 | securi | mrsno ok |
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| 18:49.38 | zinx | Nyle: i don't care to guess, but that operation would normally be bottlenecked by hard drive I/O |
| 18:49.39 | jakub_ | securi: what system you`re using ? |
| 18:49.56 | securi | debain |
| 18:49.56 | chuckkh | hi securi |
| 18:49.57 | securi | 64 |
| 18:49.59 | securi | etch |
| 18:50.02 | securi | Hi chuckkh |
| 18:50.02 | jakub_ | debian |
| 18:50.02 | securi | :P |
| 18:50.05 | mrsno | ahhhh |
| 18:50.09 | jakub_ | hehe debi what ? |
| 18:50.16 | securi | etch |
| 18:50.17 | jakub_ | it`s windows debian ? |
| 18:50.18 | rox | eddie: nothing, i was just talking about irc.debian.org |
| 18:50.19 | chuckkh | my libresmgr problem is also coming up if I run amixer |
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| 18:50.25 | jakub_ | it`s some new product ?;-) |
| 18:50.26 | chuckkh | it looks for a library I've never had |
| 18:50.36 | chuckkh | libresmgr.so.0.9.8 |
| 18:50.43 | jakub_ | securi |
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| 18:50.47 | jakub_ | you want 64-bit flash |
| 18:50.53 | jakub_ | you must use nspluginwrapper |
| 18:51.00 | securi | lol wtf r u on about? :P |
| 18:51.03 | chuckkh | I hope I don't have to reinstall Linux *again* |
| 18:51.03 | flami | !debain |
| 18:51.04 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 18:51.17 | jakub_ | i have windows debian unstable amd64 with sp2 |
| 18:51.21 | valdyn | securi: there is no 64-bit flash plugin |
| 18:51.29 | Nyle | obviously |
| 18:51.30 | Nyle | its a sunday |
| 18:51.30 | abrotman | wtf |
| 18:51.31 | jakub_ | securi: get RPM |
| 18:51.32 | Nyle | :/ |
| 18:51.33 | securi | i saidi have 64 bit edition debian.... |
| 18:51.36 | jakub_ | securi: RPM of nspluginwrapper |
| 18:51.42 | jakub_ | and with alien take it to .deb |
| 18:51.44 | Azar | abrotman, hehehe is still sunday |
| 18:51.49 | valdyn | jakub_: ... |
| 18:51.52 | jakub_ | there are some manuals on windows ubuntu pages |
| 18:51.58 | abrotman | jakub_: do you have any idea what you're talking about? |
| 18:52.02 | Nyle | valdyn: pipeline: zinx: so what do you guys advise about the java plugin for browser in amd64? |
| 18:52.06 | jakub_ | abrotman: yea |
| 18:52.06 | valdyn | jakub_: that program is in debian |
| 18:52.10 | abrotman | securi: ignore everything jakub_ us saying |
| 18:52.12 | securi | mrsno is not working yet! |
| 18:52.13 | abrotman | is saying |
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| 18:52.15 | jakub_ | :-D |
| 18:52.16 | valdyn | Nyle: i wouold use the gcj thing |
| 18:52.19 | securi | abrotman i have |
| 18:52.23 | jakub_ | valdyn: nspluginwrapper is in packages? |
| 18:52.24 | securi | i still cant install flash :( |
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| 18:52.32 | valdyn | jakub_: yes |
| 18:52.33 | jakub_ | ahm |
| 18:52.35 | jakub_ | :-) |
| 18:52.37 | jakub_ | great! |
| 18:52.50 | jakub_ | last time i must do it with alien |
| 18:52.54 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.55 | Azar | honorables: there are a bunch of noobs here giving advice because it is Sunday!!! |
| 18:52.56 | jakub_ | because it wasn`t in repository |
| 18:53.06 | Nyle | Azar: my main man dude homie bro |
| 18:53.08 | Nyle | whats up |
| 18:53.11 | jakub_ | Azar: you are using windows debian too ? |
| 18:53.21 | securi | wtf is windows debian?> |
| 18:53.23 | Azar | honorable Nyle... contemplating to try Hurd |
| 18:53.27 | Nyle | !ops jakub_ trolling |
| 18:53.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nyle complains about: jakub_ trolling |
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| 18:53.38 | abrotman | i don't think he's trolling .. i think he just has no clue |
| 18:53.43 | stopher | abrotman: any more ideas? |
| 18:53.45 | jakub_ | :-D |
| 18:53.45 | Nyle | Azar: I've never had a chance to try Hurd |
| 18:53.48 | solitude | what is "windows debian" ? |
| 18:53.55 | securi | ok well like lol |
| 18:53.55 | abrotman | stopher: fuser -n tcp 80 |
| 18:54.00 | securi | im still stuck here lads! |
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| 18:54.05 | Azar | Nyle: gonna just order the CD, take my old box out of the closet and try it |
| 18:54.09 | stopher | abrotman: i did that command, it returned to SERVER:/$ |
| 18:54.10 | jakub_ | yeah sorry |
| 18:54.13 | solitude | does anyone know if etch will work with 32mb ram and no swap file? |
| 18:54.17 | Azar | Nyle: is back to the potato times |
| 18:54.18 | stopher | *SERVER:/# |
| 18:54.19 | jakub_ | but i`m just mad because i thinking about scanner |
| 18:54.27 | jakub_ | i cant use it in xsane |
| 18:54.27 | abrotman | stopher: try to restart apache again |
| 18:54.29 | Nyle | valdyn: pipeline: zinx: so what do you guys advise about the java plugin for browser in amd64? nspluginwrapper would do it? or should I chroot my other partition with 32bit stuff |
| 18:54.29 | acu | any backports for etch ? |
| 18:54.33 | jakub_ | but they say on website It`s supported |
| 18:54.39 | jakub_ | and i have loaded module too geniusvp2 |
| 18:54.45 | jakub_ | but it dont find it |
| 18:54.49 | abrotman | jakub_: in ubuntu ? |
| 18:54.52 | jakub_ | no |
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| 18:54.53 | stopher | abrotman: same error |
| 18:54.53 | jakub_ | debian unstable |
| 18:55.05 | jakub_ | x64 |
| 18:55.12 | Azar | jakub_: debian is NOT windows, and has nothing to do with windows |
| 18:55.21 | abrotman | stopher: i think the rest is related to your apache config |
| 18:55.22 | jakub_ | Azar: yeah i know it :-) i just joking :D |
| 18:55.35 | pipeline | solitude: Yes, but not very well. |
| 18:55.37 | stopher | can i just reinstall apache and see if it'll go |
| 18:55.38 | jakub_ | Azar: one thing doing smthng with windows, wine |
| 18:55.40 | Azar | jakub_: show us your sources.list :) |
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| 18:55.43 | pipeline | solitude: why can't you have a swap file? |
| 18:55.49 | jakub_ | Azar: :-D why ? |
| 18:55.56 | pipeline | solitude: flash drives with wear levelling will survive being used as a swap device |
| 18:55.58 | jakub_ | http://update.windows.com and others |
| 18:55.58 | Azar | jakub_: so we can see you are running Debian |
| 18:56.05 | jakub_ | okay wait |
| 18:56.10 | mancubus | acu, backports.org |
| 18:56.14 | securi | someone please kick ban him! |
| 18:56.20 | jakub_ | no wait |
| 18:56.31 | Azar | :D bet you don't |
| 18:56.31 | jakub_ | pastebin.ca |
| 18:56.37 | solitude | pipeline, possibly, but this machine needs the 1gb CF card as the OS disk. |
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| 18:56.38 | Nyle | pipeline: hello |
| 18:56.42 | jakub_ | http://www.pastebin.ca/620760 |
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| 18:56.53 | securi | lol he just googled it :P |
| 18:56.56 | pipeline | solitude: That leaves you plenty of room for 200+M of swap. |
| 18:57.09 | jakub_ | okay ? |
| 18:57.12 | solitude | and dont flash disks have a limited number of cycles? |
| 18:57.13 | jakub_ | it`s great ?;-) |
| 18:57.16 | jakub_ | please help me with it |
| 18:57.18 | jakub_ | i`m mad of it |
| 18:57.22 | solitude | using one as a swap file will thrash it. |
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| 18:57.28 | pipeline | solitude: That's not a problem. |
| 18:57.40 | pipeline | solitude: Like I said, wear levelling. Flash drives are hundreds of times more durable now than they were in the early days. |
| 18:57.41 | Nyle | pipeline: any advice? or not? |
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| 18:57.43 | valdyn | jakub_: go reinstall, that sources.list is fucked up |
| 18:57.46 | jakub_ | i doning that by this because if i try it last nobody send me any advice |
| 18:57.49 | pipeline | Nyle: I don't think you're worth talking to. |
| 18:57.55 | Azar | jakub_: that's NOT our sources.list |
| 18:57.55 | Zuu | i have a little trouble making this package accessible through a channel in synaptic: http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/fglrx-driver/fglrx-driver_8.37.6-1_i386.deb i have tried adding a channel "deb http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian main contrib non-free" but it still doesnt show up, anyone know how to do this ? |
| 18:57.56 | jakub_ | valdyn: :DD good joke |
| 18:58.00 | jakub_ | yes it`s my ! |
| 18:58.08 | \amethyst | solitude: with recent enough chips, it's in the millions of cycles |
| 18:58.09 | Azar | pfhahahahaha |
| 18:58.13 | jakub_ | i give you advice |
| 18:58.13 | beardy | Zuu: Use aptitude. |
| 18:58.16 | jakub_ | . /ctcp version |
| 18:58.19 | pipeline | solitude: You can save some space for root partition by mounting things like /var on a swap-backed tmpfs. |
| 18:58.20 | jakub_ | i`m using Xchat |
| 18:58.32 | pipeline | solitude: well, parts of /var anyway ;) |
| 18:58.32 | stopher | abrotman: can i just reinstall apache and see if it'll go |
| 18:58.35 | Azar | jakub_: you have no idea what sources.list is |
| 18:58.40 | jakub_ | yesxd |
| 18:58.41 | Zuu | beardy, im using synaptics, and i dont feel like changing to anything random |
| 18:58.42 | jakub_ | i have |
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| 18:58.51 | \amethyst | solitude: ignoring wear-levelling (where it dynamically remaps the most-used data onto less-used blocks) |
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| 18:58.54 | beardy | Zuu: Anything random? |
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| 18:59.02 | jakub_ | sources.list is the lsit of sources/repositories what i using by apt :-) i updating it by apt-get update |
| 18:59.06 | valdyn | jakub_: im serious actually, you're using experimental, that's unsupportable |
| 18:59.09 | Zuu | my first day with debian, so i dont want to screw with all kinds of random stuff |
| 18:59.10 | jakub_ | i just joking |
| 18:59.12 | pipeline | \amethyst, solitude : Heh, good point. I'd forgotten that the chips are better now. Wear-levelling alone makes orders of magnitude difference. |
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| 18:59.29 | jakub_ | valdyn: yeah but only in some ways - i needed new nvidia-glx drivers |
| 18:59.33 | Azar | jakub_: whatever you are using now, it is not supported here |
| 18:59.37 | securi | i think im fixing the flash now :P |
| 18:59.37 | abrotman | stopher: you can try .. but i still think it's your apache config |
| 18:59.37 | Nyle | pipeline: why? |
| 18:59.45 | jakub_ | Azar: why i have sane stable |
| 18:59.46 | beardy | Zuu: Then don't, and use what is recommended. |
| 18:59.56 | Azar | jakub_: you have no idea what you are using |
| 19:00.11 | Zuu | well.. this was allready there, so it must be reccommende din some way |
| 19:00.12 | jakub_ | why you dont help me ? |
| 19:00.24 | Zuu | *recommended |
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| 19:00.32 | Azar | jakub_: because there is no help for whatever you have |
| 19:00.34 | jakub_ | i pasted it to query |
| 19:00.36 | jakub_ | Why ! |
| 19:00.41 | jakub_ | why you dont want to help me |
| 19:00.44 | local | abrotman, i still get "Not replacing deleted config file ..." even with the confmiss |
| 19:00.46 | jakub_ | at start i do some jokes |
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| 19:00.50 | jakub_ | because normally dont talk with me |
| 19:00.51 | valdyn | jakub_: you should restart and ask your real questions properly |
| 19:00.56 | Azar | jakub_: this >>>> http://www.pastebin.ca/320760 is not your sources.list |
| 19:00.57 | Nyle | pipeline: you never offered to help me with my problem, only started showing off about what you know about amd64 and how my percieved system speed is a crock of bullshit. Other than that and telling me what YOUR amd64 setup is like, you've not helped me at all. I call you out on it, and suddenly I'm not worth talking to? |
| 19:01.01 | abrotman | local: which conffile ? |
| 19:01.02 | jakub_ | Azar: IT`S MY |
| 19:01.09 | valdyn | jakub_: i know nothing about scanners - but 'my scanner dont work' isnt useful |
| 19:01.10 | jakub_ | it`s my on my computer :-D |
| 19:01.10 | Azar | jakub_: bye |
| 19:01.16 | jakub_ | Azar: how you know it it`s not my |
| 19:01.20 | local | Not replacing deleted config file /etc/auto.master |
| 19:01.20 | local | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.22 | jakub_ | :-D |
| 19:01.32 | jakub_ | i say, it`s my |
| 19:01.38 | Azar | ok Nyle my man how you doing? |
| 19:01.39 | Bogus8 | how do you use the -H switch for grep when you are piping in a whole dir of files? |
| 19:01.43 | abrotman | local: and you used the confmiss stuff ? |
| 19:01.44 | jakub_ | do you want shell access to look ? |
| 19:01.54 | Zuu | beardy, and also im quite sure aptitude wont just magically know how to find that package |
| 19:01.56 | local | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install autofs |
| 19:02.25 | Bogus8 | because right now -H is just returning "(standard input):" |
| 19:02.32 | stopher | abrotman: i reinstalled apache2 and now the only error is the domain>using 127.0.0.1 instead deal |
| 19:02.34 | beardy | Zuu: You are indeed quite sure for someone using it for the first time. |
| 19:02.41 | eisen | hm, how can I easily use the etch kernel on testing? It's not in the repo anymore since I switched to the testing tag. |
| 19:02.43 | stopher | abrotman: i'll see if anyone in #apache has any ideas, thanks for the help! |
| 19:02.50 | local | abrotman, yes |
| 19:02.52 | Zuu | beardy, that doesnt make me any dumber |
| 19:02.57 | Nyle | Azar: I say amd64 is a bit faster than 32bit, becaus I notice it. A lot of thigns are getting done faster than they used to. However, this pipeline guy is telling me that its a crock of shit, and I'm full of shit, and should just put foil on side of my pc cuz it will go faster. But he has not offered to help me with my problem, yet. |
| 19:03.12 | Nyle | Azar: and I'm the one not worth talking to? |
| 19:03.19 | peterS | eisen: nothing wrong with adding etch back into your sources.list, doing 'aptitude update', then 'aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7' or whatever |
| 19:03.26 | Azar | Nyle: I allways enjoy talking to you man.. |
| 19:03.29 | jakub_ | Azar: please why are you doing this |
| 19:03.30 | solitude | debian is so bloated now O_o |
| 19:03.32 | peterS | eisen: then if you wish you can remove etch from sources.list again |
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| 19:03.33 | jakub_ | Azar: i said it`s my |
| 19:03.34 | Nyle | hi peterS |
| 19:03.37 | peterS | Nyle. |
| 19:03.38 | zinx | synaptics isn't even in debian |
| 19:03.47 | Azar | Nyle: 64bit can be faster indeed, but there are still apps not built for it.. |
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| 19:03.52 | abrotman | local: that doesn't make sense |
| 19:03.56 | solitude | the installer anyway. Its failed with 64mb ram. O_O/ trying with 128 now ... |
| 19:03.57 | eisen | peterS: oh, haven't thought of that, thanks |
| 19:03.59 | zinx | oh, it's called synaptic :P |
| 19:04.02 | local | i agree abrotman |
| 19:04.02 | Nyle | Azar: which is fine. But this guy is being a dick to me for no reason. |
| 19:04.04 | wols | Azar: can be slower too |
| 19:04.15 | local | abrotman, thats why i come here :) i need help |
| 19:04.17 | local | grin |
| 19:04.22 | beardy | Zuu: No, I'm sure that is static. What exactly is not listed? |
| 19:04.22 | Nyle | I am only stating what I notice, and hes tellin me I'm pretty much lying |
| 19:04.25 | Nyle | thats not right dude |
| 19:04.26 | Azar | well, new technology, gotta take a bit more to get up to speed |
| 19:04.43 | Azar | Nyle: yeah that was not nice, from him to tell you are lying |
| 19:04.45 | Zuu | beardy, that path i posted in my initial question |
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| 19:04.55 | Nyle | the nerve of some people |
| 19:05.12 | Zuu | the one ending with .deb |
| 19:05.12 | beardy | Nyle: Ignore if you don't like it. |
| 19:05.13 | Azar | Nyle: luckily not all are the same.... me for example I admire you |
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| 19:05.20 | Nyle | ignored already |
| 19:05.20 | chuckkh | take a break |
| 19:05.23 | Azar | hello honorable beardy |
| 19:05.26 | Nyle | anyway |
| 19:05.27 | chuckkh | have a Coke and a smile |
| 19:05.29 | wols | Nyle: it's faster cause you have 4 more GPRS and for some workloads the wider data registers are useful and cause you acn more easily deal with memory >1GB |
| 19:05.30 | Nyle | beardy: long time no see man |
| 19:05.37 | chuckkh | get some carbs lol |
| 19:05.43 | Nyle | wols: see you explain things and it makes sense |
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| 19:05.46 | chuckkh | Linux has this tendency to give me low blood sugar |
| 19:05.51 | Nyle | wols: you didn't come at me like an asshole |
| 19:05.52 | Nyle | I appreciate it |
| 19:05.54 | vamp898 | !deutsch |
| 19:05.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 19:06.01 | Azar | wols allways to the rescue with good advices |
| 19:06.06 | Nyle | wols is the shit |
| 19:06.11 | Nyle | especially when has a tail :) |
| 19:06.12 | local | abrotman, ideas? |
| 19:06.15 | abrotman | local: looking |
| 19:06.18 | xerophyte | if i have partion with ntfs , how can i make it ext3 ? i tried mke2fs -j /dev/hda3 that didn't work |
| 19:06.27 | Nyle | beardy: where have you been hiding? |
| 19:06.34 | wols | Nyle: however code is also bigger per opcode (bigger operand sizes...) which means if you trash the cache, you do it sooner and that may slow you down. overall it's usually a netgain of course |
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| 19:06.57 | S4nD3r | Is there any possible to convert CDR file to SVG without have CorelDraw installed? |
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| 19:07.18 | Pencil | hey, how do i make it so that my ssh user can't get into stuff like /var /usr/ etc. |
| 19:07.19 | Pencil | ? |
| 19:07.25 | Nyle | wols: well here check this out. Ever since I started using AMD64, I have notived that packages take less time to compile, the same ones, and overall performance of the sytem is a lot better than it used to be |
| 19:07.31 | wols | Nyle: but the biggest speedgain of amd's 64bitnes is the memory controller btw :) |
| 19:07.38 | Nyle | wols: I mean its not just psychological, its an obvious improvement |
| 19:07.44 | Nyle | it shows |
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| 19:07.53 | wols | Nyle: thatis kinda questionable :P |
| 19:07.56 | abrotman | local: it appears that it copies the file from /usr/share/autofs/conffiles/ upon install |
| 19:08.01 | beardy | Nyle: I've been here most of the time. Just following what I said, ignore if you find someone an idiot. |
| 19:08.08 | jakub_ | Pencil: it`s normal, he dont have permission to it, you must change permissions |
| 19:08.10 | Nyle | beardy: thanks |
| 19:08.12 | beardy | Nyle: I don't remeber you though, sorry.. |
| 19:08.14 | wols | cause I doN't believe you have a 50% increase in speed since that's what's usually needed for humans to notive it |
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| 19:08.21 | Azar | beardy: stoned |
| 19:08.22 | abrotman | beardy: nyle is stoned |
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| 19:08.29 | beardy | Oh, heh. |
| 19:08.30 | wols | however if you "downgrade" to 32bit again you will see 10% speedloss or less imeediately |
| 19:08.31 | Nyle | hey |
| 19:08.33 | Nyle | yeh, its stoned |
| 19:08.34 | jakub_ | Pencil: ls -all /var - you must have set parameter read as third flag |
| 19:08.34 | Nyle | hehe |
| 19:08.34 | beardy | Nyle: Hey |
| 19:08.43 | local | abrotman, so i can manually copy those over? |
| 19:08.53 | abrotman | local: it appears so |
| 19:09.11 | Nyle | wols: I never said 50%, I said it feels like its twice a fast |
| 19:09.16 | Nyle | feelings are usualyl screwey |
| 19:09.22 | beardy | Zuu: Yes, but do you expect that name to show up something-12321312.deb? The package name is most likely fglrx-driver, that is what you should look for. |
| 19:09.23 | wols | Nyle: or rather if you lose speed for whatever reason, you will notice it if it's only 10%. nothing to do with 64/32 per se |
| 19:09.25 | local | thanks brb |
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| 19:09.39 | chuckkh | can anyone help me with debsums? |
| 19:09.41 | Nyle | wols: I never claimed that it is 50% faster and neither did I claim to do any actual benchmarks |
| 19:09.46 | Nyle | wols: but it IS faster |
| 19:09.50 | Nyle | and I'm happy |
| 19:09.53 | wols | Nyle: I'm just telling you that humans need to haev a 50% increase for them to notice it usually (rule of thumb) |
| 19:09.54 | Nyle | very hapy indeed |
| 19:09.54 | chuckkh | I ran debsums --generate=missing,keep |
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| 19:09.59 | galois_ | Nyle: those were imputed from what you said you percieved |
| 19:10.00 | Zuu | beardy, and thats what i do |
| 19:10.02 | chuckkh | now I run sudo debsums -ca |
| 19:10.06 | Zuu | and as i said, it doesnt show up |
| 19:10.15 | wols | Nyle: typically it is 5-10% faster IIRC |
| 19:10.17 | chuckkh | and it still says no md5sums for half the important files |
| 19:10.19 | beardy | Zuu: Have you updated your sources? |
| 19:10.23 | Zuu | yes |
| 19:10.23 | Nyle | wols: all I am looking for is to get java plugin on amd64 |
| 19:10.25 | Azar | wols: talking debian-hurd here is ot? because I guess is still debian but another kernel |
| 19:10.39 | Nyle | wols: i have a 32bit ectch install on anothe parition, and i can also sshx my laptop running java/limewire |
| 19:10.41 | galois_ | you also need to adjust for the fact that most people like/expect a speed increase for a change of that type |
| 19:10.43 | jetscreamer | everything is ot |
| 19:10.47 | chuckkh | Nyle: I thought that was in the suppositories |
| 19:10.50 | Azar | hahaha hi jetscreamer |
| 19:10.51 | wols | Azar: debian is debian... even debian bsd is OnT |
| 19:10.52 | jetscreamer | stfu world |
| 19:10.56 | chuckkh | lol |
| 19:11.05 | Nyle | wols: i dunno if i should go with chroot 32bit, or nspluginwrapper or sshx |
| 19:11.06 | Zuu | the thing is likely that the line i gave to synaptics doesnt include those directories for some reason |
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| 19:11.11 | Pencil | 31 |
| 19:11.13 | Nyle | jetscreamer: word. |
| 19:11.17 | Zuu | @ beardy |
| 19:11.18 | wols | Nyle: me neither |
| 19:11.19 | chuckkh | debsums experience, anyone? |
| 19:11.26 | jetscreamer | heh suppositories |
| 19:11.27 | Azar | cooolll, I only feel sorry for abrotman to have to read aberations.. |
| 19:11.31 | wols | Nyle: they all suck |
| 19:11.32 | Nyle | wols: how come? |
| 19:11.37 | Nyle | wols: hehe, you just don't like java huh |
| 19:11.43 | jetscreamer | repositories? |
| 19:11.50 | Nyle | hahahah suppository |
| 19:12.01 | peterS | oh yeah. it _is_ sunday, isn't it. |
| 19:12.03 | beardy | Zuu: Perhaps, I don't use it, and neither should anyone. To depend on X for such a thing as installing packages is not recommended, by me. |
| 19:12.10 | Azar | Nyle: grab one and keep it for mister rahul |
| 19:12.13 | Nyle | peterS: i know, i noticed |
| 19:12.17 | Nyle | Azar: shaddup :) |
| 19:12.19 | beardy | peterS: Yes, I shouldn't be here either.. |
| 19:12.34 | solitude | OnT? |
| 19:12.52 | Zuu | beardy, well, lets just say i used any other package manager, it wouldnt find it either given that channel |
| 19:13.11 | Pencil | hey how do you setup screen so it can log? |
| 19:13.15 | Azar | well just grab some beers and pretend is a virtual world |
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| 19:13.17 | Zuu | the thing is not how to use it, the thing is about what channel will actually lead to that package |
| 19:13.17 | chuckkh | I know they're repositories |
| 19:13.19 | level1 | Hi, can anyone think of a script that will run when kdm loads? any script will do |
| 19:13.23 | chuckkh | but sometimes it feels like suppositories |
| 19:13.28 | beardy | Zuu: Then why did you try if you were sure it wouldn't? |
| 19:13.28 | Zuu | ... simple as that |
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| 19:13.31 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god |
| 19:13.35 | chuckkh | or so I would imagine..... |
| 19:13.39 | jetscreamer | dselect > * |
| 19:13.41 | chuckkh | :-[ |
| 19:13.44 | stopher | what is the copy command? |
| 19:13.45 | Zuu | beardy, id dint know.. but i know after i tired ffs |
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| 19:13.48 | jetscreamer | cp |
| 19:13.52 | level1 | I'm trying to get something to happen when kdm/X loads |
| 19:13.54 | stopher | thanks jetscreamer |
| 19:14.09 | Azar | level1: ...like a reboot script? |
| 19:14.17 | Azar | looped? |
| 19:14.25 | jetscreamer | cp -R /copy/this /to/here/ |
| 19:14.28 | jetscreamer | to do dirs |
| 19:14.32 | Azar | everytime you get the kde login, system reboots? |
| 19:14.37 | level1 | Azar: no, I want my keymap to be changed |
| 19:14.42 | Zuu | if one package manager wont find it, im pretty darn sure no other will either, since its likely that the channel info os wrong.. and thats what im asking.. what channel stuff to give it, to get to that pacjkage |
| 19:14.47 | Zuu | how hard can it be |
| 19:14.58 | Azar | nice, like a login with chinese characters? |
| 19:15.00 | jetscreamer | sounds like nvidia or ati to me |
| 19:15.03 | beardy | Obviously quite hard. |
| 19:15.05 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 19:15.09 | level1 | Azar: I want to run a script I wrote that remaps some fo the keyboard when X starts |
| 19:15.19 | level1 | Azar: I want to swap capslock and backspace |
| 19:15.20 | wols | Nyle: tried a sun .bin file, and make-jpkg or only the sun .bin file and equivs? |
| 19:15.37 | Nyle | wols: not yet, I installed java-package before I left the house |
| 19:15.48 | Zuu | beardy, well, since it is for one who supposedly should know what he says, it is likelu it is quite hard |
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| 19:15.50 | solemnwarning | I can't resize a mounted filesystem, can I? |
| 19:15.51 | Pencil | hey so to log screen |
| 19:15.52 | Azar | level1: I have no idea about scripting ... was just curious |
| 19:15.53 | Pencil | its -L right? |
| 19:15.57 | level1 | Azar: I should put my password in Japanese, then it would be impossible to break |
| 19:16.07 | Zuu | i did expect someone to have used those mirrors occationally tho, so they would know |
| 19:16.08 | Azar | bah... |
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| 19:16.22 | Pencil | screen -L ? |
| 19:16.29 | wols | Nyle: Sun has AMD64 supporting JDKs |
| 19:16.30 | Pencil | how will it know what file to log too? |
| 19:16.35 | xingu | wols: with no plugin. |
| 19:16.36 | beardy | Zuu: I already told you, use aptitude. That implies, that I don't use synaptic, and that I don't think you should either. I have not claimed to know what synaptic does or doesn't. |
| 19:16.37 | Nyle | wols: I know I saw the bin file |
| 19:16.42 | solemnwarning | Is there a livecd that supports md-raid? |
| 19:16.47 | wols | if debian doesn't. and if it is so, file a bug report and the debian java package |
| 19:16.48 | Nyle | wols: I got java working, I was asking bout a java plugin for browser |
| 19:16.50 | xingu | wols: plugin is i386-only |
| 19:16.53 | Pencil | anyone? |
| 19:16.53 | Azar | all my passwords are in an uninvented language yet, no need for foreign languages.. :) |
| 19:16.53 | solemnwarning | I want to resize my / filesystem which is on a RAID-5 |
| 19:17.00 | Nyle | xingu: YEH |
| 19:17.02 | Nyle | unfortunately |
| 19:17.06 | wols | ouch! |
| 19:17.12 | Nyle | amd64 already has java packages |
| 19:17.14 | Zuu | beardy, and havent i allready stated that this is not about how the package manager works.. but how that mirrorsite works |
| 19:17.16 | wols | ok, no luck then. I'd try nspluginwrapper first imho |
| 19:17.17 | xingu | wols: unless you're sol_x86/em64t of course |
| 19:17.18 | Nyle | no plugin though |
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| 19:17.19 | Pencil | nobody has a clue? |
| 19:17.26 | Nyle | xingu: i am |
| 19:17.27 | Nyle | hehe |
| 19:17.32 | beardy | Zuu: If that is an official mirror, use another one. |
| 19:17.33 | galois_ | !clue |
| 19:17.33 | dpkg | a clue is something that puts you on track to something, however you will not know for sure that the track you are put on is the right one. So, the conclusion is that whenever you get a clue you should investigate it! NOW!!, but something shift and dimension-42 need. Command Line User Environment, or something clueless people do without. http://okkie.frob.nl/clueshop.jpg |
| 19:17.41 | beardy | Zuu: Otherwise, complain to them. |
| 19:17.44 | Pencil | no one has any ideas how to use screen -L ? |
| 19:17.44 | Azar | level1: watch this example of password : uokl1A4kV3 |
| 19:17.48 | jetscreamer | there is no clue |
| 19:17.53 | Nyle | jetscreamer: you're a clue |
| 19:18.00 | Zuu | i dont think it would help complaining.. unfortunately |
| 19:18.03 | xingu | wols, Nyle: write once, run almost everywhere, except where we have our competative reasons for making it difficult to do so |
| 19:18.06 | galois_ | !cluebat |
| 19:18.06 | dpkg | *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* |
| 19:18.12 | level1 | Azar: I choose passwords that are easy to type in dvorak |
| 19:18.16 | Pencil | im looking at the man page |
| 19:18.19 | Zuu | i just like to know what to specify as the path for the channel |
| 19:18.20 | Pencil | but they dont tell me howto use screen -L |
| 19:18.23 | Nyle | I use a random pw generator |
| 19:18.23 | jetscreamer | !cluebat Nyle |
| 19:18.29 | Nyle | and I memorize the password |
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| 19:18.42 | Pencil | hm, no one uses screen here? |
| 19:18.44 | xingu | Nyle: nspluginwrapper is allegedly what some of the cool kids are doing; ia32 deboostrap'd chroot works, that's what I use. |
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| 19:18.52 | wols | !anyone uses screen |
| 19:18.54 | djw | no, I have never used screen in my life |
| 19:18.56 | beardy | Pencil: No one reads docs there? |
| 19:19.01 | Nyle | xingu: yeh i got flash under nspluginwrapper |
| 19:19.02 | jetscreamer | wht is screen |
| 19:19.12 | wols | jetscreamer: what you're staring at |
| 19:19.14 | Azar | level1: pick letters in an order of a favorite phrase, sprinkle them with (*_@ characters and numbers and you are done |
| 19:19.15 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 19:19.16 | Nyle | xingu: but what I'm thinking is just sshx firefox on my sid machine |
| 19:19.20 | Nyle | xingu: it is 32bit |
| 19:19.21 | Pencil | nope must not |
| 19:19.23 | smtlaissezfaire | Hi all. I wondering if there are any Gnu/Debian Linux support companies out there. |
| 19:19.27 | Pencil | you must not be reading cus i already said i did. |
| 19:19.31 | Pencil | and the docs dont tell me |
| 19:19.35 | solitude | [20:18:41] <Nyle> xingu: yeh i got flash under nspluginwrapper |
| 19:19.37 | solitude | rofl |
| 19:19.43 | Nyle | xingu: plus i have nfs setup so xfer of files is no problem, plus i hardly download anything through browser anyway |
| 19:19.48 | smtlaissezfaire | Or if any would be recommended, along the lines of LinuxCare. |
| 19:19.54 | solitude | one day, linux will just nativelyuse windows drivers |
| 19:19.55 | solitude | fixing all our headaches |
| 19:19.55 | Nyle | solitude: whats so funny? |
| 19:20.00 | Azar | smtlaissezfaire: "companies" are non existent in Debian : is a community of voluntary developers |
| 19:20.00 | chuckkh | do I put --reinstall between apt-get and install or after install |
| 19:20.14 | jetscreamer | smtlaissezfaire: http://www.debian.org/support#consultants |
| 19:20.27 | solitude | realising that more windows things were being made to run under linux with a wrpper |
| 19:20.35 | Azar | smtlaissezfaire: there is no official "support" , here in #debian is "voluntary" help |
| 19:20.42 | Nyle | solitude: it has nothing to do with windows or linux |
| 19:20.43 | smtlaissezfaire | jetscreamer: I've already looked at that page, and they all seem to be individual consultants. |
| 19:20.49 | Nyle | solitude: it has to do with 32bit or 64 bit |
| 19:20.49 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 19:20.52 | Nyle | solitude: :D |
| 19:20.54 | smtlaissezfaire | jetscremer: Any recommended? |
| 19:21.03 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 19:21.16 | abrotman | smtlaissezfaire: i think progeny used to .. maybe HP |
| 19:21.31 | jetscreamer | hp may have a debian section |
| 19:21.31 | abrotman | uhm .. progeny is dead |
| 19:21.32 | magyar | Need help with fglrx om 2.6.22 lenny "FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module fglrx.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops'" |
| 19:21.37 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 19:21.38 | Azar | smtlaissezfaire: Debian is an educational-style OS, people learn alone |
| 19:21.42 | xingu | Nyle: nb, nspluginwrapper/libjavaplugin_oji.so is only 1/10th the battle; then you get to fetz with the sdk. |
| 19:21.52 | Blissex | magyar: you need to recompile the kernel. |
| 19:21.58 | xingu | Nyle: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=262561 for eg. |
| 19:22.10 | Nyle | ok you know what |
| 19:22.10 | Azar | smtlaissezfaire: care to have a book recommended? |
| 19:22.14 | Nyle | I don't care what you guys say |
| 19:22.19 | magyar | Blissex: ouch, why is that? |
| 19:22.23 | smtlaissezfaire | Azar: but there is no reason that a company couldn't provide support for Gnu/Debian, or one of its derivatives, like Ubuntu. |
| 19:22.27 | Nyle | my amd64 box is faster than it was when i was running 32 bit |
| 19:22.28 | valdyn | smtlaissezfaire: debian.org lists a bunch of companies/people that do support for debian |
| 19:22.34 | Nyle | 5% or 10% or 50% I don't care |
| 19:22.36 | magyar | Blissex: seem to work with 2.6.18 |
| 19:22.37 | Nyle | its faster and im happy |
| 19:22.38 | Azar | smtlaissezfaire: Debian is NOT a COMPANY |
| 19:22.38 | Nyle | so booya |
| 19:22.40 | jetscreamer | there are of course companies that do |
| 19:22.42 | smtlaissezfaire | I know... |
| 19:22.51 | jetscreamer | finding them is the question |
| 19:22.59 | xlq | man 3 rand is missing, where can I get it? |
| 19:23.00 | jetscreamer | suggestions? |
| 19:23.03 | Blissex | magyar: the ATi/AMD driver is proprietary. The kernel you have has some code that is set to refuse to work with proprietary sw modules. |
| 19:23.05 | smtlaissezfaire | Yeah - finding them. |
| 19:23.06 | valdyn | finding? |
| 19:23.10 | Azar | smtlaissezfaire: therefore nobody in the Debian community has a "duty" to help |
| 19:23.12 | valdyn | like HP and IBM? |
| 19:23.14 | smtlaissezfaire | If they exist. |
| 19:23.22 | jetscreamer | is that like manpages-dev , xlq? you have to install that one |
| 19:23.24 | smtlaissezfaire | Azar: I understand the model. |
| 19:23.24 | Blissex | magyar: just do a web search for that error message... |
| 19:23.29 | Nyle | so is 64bit useless then? |
| 19:23.38 | Nyle | I mean you say its only 5-10% better speed |
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| 19:23.44 | Nyle | so what the fuck is the point of having amd64 |
| 19:23.45 | Nyle | ? |
| 19:23.48 | Nyle | or any 64 bit |
| 19:23.48 | magyar | Blissex: should be nice to have a"non-free" kernel |
| 19:23.54 | acu | I want to install EZ publish and moodle in the same server - ez uses php4 moodle php5 - however if I try to install libapache2-php5 the php4 is removed - both Ez and Moodle official modules are dinausauric (Ez latest version in 4.2 and debian's version is 2.4 - moodle latest is 1.82 debians is something like 1.6 ---- is any workaround ? |
| 19:23.55 | Nyle | if its just gonna suck anyway, why not just run 32bit? |
| 19:23.55 | xlq | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 19:23.58 | Azar | smtlaissezfaire: if you work for say X company that uses Debian, they surely offer "support" through their own trained employees |
| 19:24.06 | xingu | Nyle: more gp registers |
| 19:24.10 | wols | Nyle: it's not useless. we already are at the memory limit of ia32. servres are long past it |
| 19:24.13 | valdyn | Nyle: the same was true on the 16->32 bit transition |
| 19:24.18 | wols | PAE is just horrible, AMD64 is sorely needed |
| 19:24.19 | Nyle | wols: ohhh memory stuff |
| 19:24.21 | Nyle | ahhhaha |
| 19:24.24 | Nyle | makes sense |
| 19:24.25 | solitude | welll. ...the 5-10% speed boost isnt enough? |
| 19:24.29 | valdyn | Nyle: there was NO real benefit first |
| 19:24.30 | xingu | Nyle: on my mixes, that reduces analytic runs from days to hours. :) |
| 19:24.30 | solitude | how about addressing more than 4gb of ram? |
| 19:24.37 | Blissex | Nyle: 64b can be twice as fast on a few important bits of code, like encryption. Anyhow bigger address space. |
| 19:24.38 | chuckkh | hey is the command # apt-get install --reinstall || # apt-get --reinstall install ? |
| 19:24.40 | pipeline | solitude: x86 can already do that |
| 19:24.42 | pipeline | solitude: 36 bit addressing |
| 19:24.43 | smtlaissezfaire | Azar: Maybe I should explain my situation more clearly.... |
| 19:24.44 | wols | valdyn: the programming model was vastly better. agaiN: flat memory |
| 19:24.44 | Nyle | xingu: on my package compiles, literally half the time |
| 19:24.48 | pipeline | solitude: it's just that 36 bit addressing is extremely slow |
| 19:24.51 | Nyle | xingu: i know it sounds impossible |
| 19:25.06 | xingu | Nyle: yes, some amd64's have a large sized penalty in ia32 mode. |
| 19:25.12 | Nyle | but really, if my system wasn't running (seemingly) almost twice as fast I wouldn't be sayin it |
| 19:25.15 | valdyn | wols: yea, but nyle is talking about users |
| 19:25.17 | xingu | Nyle: sounds like you're lucky |
| 19:25.24 | wols | xingu: which ones? |
| 19:25.27 | Azar | smtlaissezfaire: yes maybe you have used the wrong word "support" |
| 19:25.35 | Nyle | xingu: I might be |
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| 19:25.58 | smtlaissezfaire | I've been administering one webserver for a little while now, building up my sysadmin chops. There is a website (email, Mysql db's, apache...) that needs to be moved now. |
| 19:26.04 | valdyn | couple years then 64G wont be enough memory... then 64-bit cpu will be 'essential' etc, see moore's law |
| 19:26.05 | rahul | morning |
| 19:26.07 | rahul | :P |
| 19:26.13 | Nyle | hey |
| 19:26.18 | smtlaissezfaire | So...who do I turn to if I have problems with something? |
| 19:26.25 | Azar | rahul: Nyle found a supositorie for you |
| 19:26.30 | solitude | [20:25:51] <valdyn> couple years then 64G wont be enough memory... then 64-bit cpu will be 'essential' etc, see moore's law |
| 19:26.32 | rahul | lovely |
| 19:26.32 | Nyle | hey! |
| 19:26.34 | Nyle | shush |
| 19:26.36 | rahul | just what I wanted |
| 19:26.37 | Nyle | rahul: msg |
| 19:26.37 | solitude | moores law has nothing to do with that |
| 19:26.38 | Nyle | please |
| 19:26.47 | rahul | for what? |
| 19:26.53 | chuckkh | OK then |
| 19:26.54 | Azar | smtlaissezfaire: simple: either you directly, or someone hired to work for you read the manuals, and learn |
| 19:26.56 | solitude | moores just states that transistor count dbls every 6 months |
| 19:26.57 | smtlaissezfaire | Webhosting/vps companies will only support what their standard configuration... |
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| 19:27.06 | solitude | which is alwo accomplished by adding cores |
| 19:27.07 | chuckkh | is there a way to use grep to return strings that *don't* match? |
| 19:27.08 | beardy | Zuu: You don't find it because that is not the version that is in stable, which you are running, since you have recently installed. And if you don't find an fglrx-driver at all, just do as I say and change mirror. |
| 19:27.13 | chuckkh | er lines |
| 19:27.20 | jetscreamer | the first one chuckkh |
| 19:27.21 | rahul | solitude: actually, it's much more complex than that |
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| 19:27.22 | Azar | smtlaissezfaire: you can have your entire system configure the way you like it |
| 19:27.28 | smtlaissezfaire | Azar: Yeah, I guess I should start contacting those sysadmins on the debian page. |
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| 19:27.44 | rahul | solitude: it has to do with switching speed, as well... there are a number of things that grow exponentially |
| 19:27.45 | Nyle | rahul: anser me |
| 19:27.47 | Azar | smtlaissezfaire: you ever seen a Debian documentation? |
| 19:27.48 | Nyle | or i'll kill you |
| 19:27.52 | Nyle | :/ |
| 19:27.53 | Nyle | thanks |
| 19:27.54 | Nyle | :D |
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| 19:28.16 | abrotman | smtlaissezfaire: i think HP does it .. not sure if that requires HP hardware though |
| 19:28.28 | smtlaissezfaire | I was looking for a big company which would do some hand holding in an emergency, but I guess there aren't any out there, and I'll have to take my chance on an unknown sysadmin. |
| 19:28.41 | chuckkh | ah grep -v, good stuff |
| 19:28.45 | Nyle | smtlaissezfaire: UBUNTU. Pay for support. |
| 19:28.49 | valdyn | smtlaissezfaire: both, hp and ibm certify and support debian on their hardware |
| 19:28.50 | tarzeau | Azar: yeah? |
| 19:28.51 | Nyle | they will hold your hand |
| 19:28.53 | Azar | yah they have support |
| 19:28.55 | Zuu | beardy, the driver is tehre allright.. just try the direct link yourself |
| 19:28.55 | solitude | suse ... |
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| 19:28.58 | Azar | mister tarzeau! |
| 19:29.00 | abrotman | smtlaissezfaire: did you check with HP ? |
| 19:29.00 | Zuu | it just doesnt show up |
| 19:29.03 | beardy | Zuu: Why? |
| 19:29.09 | jetscreamer | i think he wants to know who he can pay that's good dudes |
| 19:29.12 | smtlaissezfaire | abrotman: I am going to do that. |
| 19:29.12 | tarzeau | Azar: what's up? |
| 19:29.16 | valdyn | smtlaissezfaire: not sure why you ask us though instead of just googling or asking them |
| 19:29.19 | beardy | Zuu: Don't you understand what I say? |
| 19:29.33 | Zuu | probably not |
| 19:29.36 | smtlaissezfaire | valdyn: Asking who? |
| 19:29.44 | beardy | Zuu: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 19:29.52 | Azar | tarzeau: at hurd |
| 19:29.56 | Zuu | err.. latest.. something with 4 |
| 19:29.58 | valdyn | smtlaissezfaire: a few of the top 5 computer consulting companies worldwide? |
| 19:30.11 | chuckkh | wow |
| 19:30.16 | chuckkh | this is what I love about linux |
| 19:30.22 | chuckkh | or should I say bash |
| 19:30.36 | beardy | Zuu: Yes. Then install the fglrx-driver package that is available. |
| 19:30.41 | smtlaissezfaire | valdyn: Meaning the big-whigs, like HP, IBM, etc? |
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| 19:30.42 | abrotman | smtlaissezfaire: and i believe IBM will also support pretty much anything on their hardware if you pay the support contract |
| 19:30.45 | tarzeau | Azar: at hurd? it's great? |
| 19:30.46 | chuckkh | sudo apt-get install --reinstall `cat ~/debsumsmissing | grep -v /` |
| 19:30.48 | valdyn | smtlaissezfaire: sure |
| 19:30.55 | Azar | tarzeau: #hurd |
| 19:31.01 | Zuu | beardy, well seems you dont understand what im saying either |
| 19:31.15 | beardy | Zuu: I understand perfectly. You have the sns syndrome. |
| 19:31.16 | chuckkh | and it only took me 3 times as long to sort out the proper commands as it woudl have to type them all manually |
| 19:31.27 | Zuu | whatever |
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| 19:31.30 | chuckkh | suppositories |
| 19:31.30 | smtlaissezfaire | abrotman: Well I'm not running the physical boxes - I'll probably be looking at a VPS solution from someone else. |
| 19:31.33 | tarzeau | Azar: i know :) |
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| 19:31.45 | chuckkh | lol suppositories get it |
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| 19:31.48 | chuckkh | apt-get it? |
| 19:32.02 | chuckkh | BOO |
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| 19:32.31 | chuckkh | I reinstalled everything that debsums complained about and $ qjackctl still tells me libresmgr.so is not found |
| 19:32.43 | magyar | fglrx module: anyone has any luck with 2.6.22, is there a patch. Please dont make me rebuild |
| 19:32.47 | chuckkh | can anyone tell me how not to reinstall Debian and be able to fix this? |
| 19:32.48 | valdyn | chuckkh: file a bug report.. |
| 19:32.50 | beardy | Zuu: Is there something not working satisfactory with the version of that apckage you are trying to install, if you jsut install the version that you have available? |
| 19:32.52 | smtlaissezfaire | Anyway - thanks all for your help. |
| 19:33.00 | chuckkh | valdyn: well I think it was something I did |
| 19:33.06 | chuckkh | valdyn: it did work before |
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| 19:33.15 | valdyn | !find libresmgr sarge |
| 19:33.18 | abrotman | smtlaissezfaire: you could still ask ibm |
| 19:33.20 | valdyn | !find libresmgr sid |
| 19:33.23 | Zuu | beardy, i dont have any version available for my gfx board |
| 19:33.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libresmgr' (2): (/lib/libresmgr.so) in libdevel/libresmgr-dev ;; (/lib/{libresmgr.so.1|libresmgr.so.1.0}) in libs/libresmgr1. |
| 19:33.39 | Zuu | beardy, but the one i link to is updated and for my board |
| 19:33.41 | Zuu | simple as that |
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| 19:33.44 | valdyn | chuckkh: aptitude install --reinstall libresmgr1 ? |
| 19:33.57 | smtlaissezfaire | abrotman: I'll google. I didn't think any of those big guys would be on call... |
| 19:33.58 | chuckkh | valdyn: it's not in the repositories |
| 19:34.03 | abrotman | valdyn: it's looking for a specific version number |
| 19:34.22 | valdyn | abrotman: is it? i couldnt see that from the error message he gave me |
| 19:34.34 | abrotman | chuckkh: paste the whole error |
| 19:34.37 | smtlaissezfaire | Anyway - Thanks for the tips. Your time is appreciated. |
| 19:34.43 | chuckkh | sorry |
| 19:35.02 | stopher | a2ensite to enable, what is disable? |
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| 19:35.12 | chuckkh | qjackctl: error while loading shared libraries: libresmgr.so.0.9.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:35.24 | chuckkh | this happens when I try to run amixer as well |
| 19:35.39 | Daveman | We meet again, Mr. Abrotman :) |
| 19:35.42 | abrotman | hi |
| 19:35.44 | Zuu | beardy, just forget it.. somebody else helped me |
| 19:36.01 | chuckkh | I had added the libjack, libfltk, libfluid, and libportaudio files that came with Csound, but they've since been removed as has everything involving csound |
| 19:36.16 | beardy | Zuu: How nice. Don't complain when you notice that the dependencies can not be met. |
| 19:36.18 | chuckkh | so I wonder if it's an audio library link somewhere looking for it |
| 19:36.23 | valdyn | chuckkh: paste the output of 'ldd amixer' |
| 19:36.26 | chuckkh | k |
| 19:36.29 | valdyn | chuckkh: dont paste here |
| 19:36.32 | valdyn | !paste |
| 19:36.32 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 19:36.35 | Daveman | Abrotman, did you miss me? |
| 19:36.36 | Zuu | beardy, well why do you think i wanted to add the entire channel ? |
| 19:36.38 | Zuu | duh! |
| 19:36.49 | chuckkh | ah, amixer is not found... hold on a sec |
| 19:36.49 | Daveman | heh |
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| 19:37.03 | valdyn | chuckkh: ldd /usr/bin/amixer |
| 19:37.10 | beardy | Zuu: You should not be so cocky. You don't even realise what you have to do to get it. |
| 19:37.14 | chuckkh | ah |
| 19:37.25 | chuckkh | want me to paste it here or a pastebin? there's around 7 lines |
| 19:37.34 | beardy | Zuu: I didn't see that oen that did, tell us all how yu were helped then? |
| 19:37.36 | valdyn | chuckkh: pastebin |
| 19:37.40 | chuckkh | actually it'll have to be pastebin, it's a different comp |
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| 19:38.01 | Haris | Hello folks |
| 19:38.07 | Haris | Does anyone here use scalix on debian? |
| 19:38.18 | chuckkh | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/620843 |
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| 19:38.21 | Zuu | beardy, well this friendly soul from #linux helped me out, and pointed out that i needed 'etch' in that line for adding the channel |
| 19:38.30 | beardy | Zuu: "channel" is a synaptic word. Repository you should say if you want to make yourself understood. |
| 19:38.42 | beardy | Zuu: That version will not be available anyway. |
| 19:38.42 | Haris | or has anyone setup scalix? I have a few issues I need to discuss |
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| 19:39.05 | Zuu | well i see it right inthe list.. so you may think what you want |
| 19:39.10 | abrotman | Haris: we don't support debian-based distros in #debian |
| 19:39.14 | valdyn | chuckkh: what is it that you reinstalled? |
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| 19:39.26 | beardy | Zuu: You said you needed that exact version for your card, that version you will not get. |
| 19:39.27 | Haris | abrotman: That went over me |
| 19:39.31 | valdyn | chuckkh: which debian release is this supposed to be? |
| 19:39.41 | Haris | abrotman: I'm not talking about a debian based distro |
| 19:39.41 | Zuu | beardy, dont make me repeat myself |
| 19:39.42 | chuckkh | valdyn: etch; I reinstalled everything starting with lib* |
| 19:39.43 | streuner | !scalix |
| 19:39.47 | Zuu | and it IS there |
| 19:39.49 | Haris | abrotman: scalix is != a debian distr |
| 19:39.51 | streuner | hm |
| 19:39.55 | beardy | Zuu: Don't expect anymore help. |
| 19:39.59 | Zuu | now stop complaining |
| 19:39.59 | chuckkh | and everything dependent on libjack* |
| 19:40.05 | beardy | Zuu: *plonk* |
| 19:40.07 | Haris | scalix = ldap daemon, smtpd, pop3d, imapd |
| 19:40.12 | Haris | in one package |
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| 19:40.19 | abrotman | not in debian apparently |
| 19:40.21 | Haris | plus calendering |
| 19:40.22 | stopher | abrotman: a2ensite is to enable, do you know what disable is? |
| 19:40.25 | Haris | Its called groupware |
| 19:40.39 | abrotman | stopher: a2dismod |
| 19:40.43 | Haris | No one in here knows about scalix? |
| 19:40.44 | stopher | thanks :) |
| 19:40.46 | valdyn | chuckkh: hold.. |
| 19:40.54 | rahul | Haris: this is #debian |
| 19:40.57 | Haris | its just another program like postfix, gnupg or anything |
| 19:41.02 | wols | Haris: is scalix in debian? |
| 19:41.07 | streuner | no |
| 19:41.08 | timrs | ello, im trying to help someone out, and i have /etc/init.d/earlykdm on opensuse, and id like to find the equivelent on debian |
| 19:41.09 | abrotman | Haris: apt-cache search scalix returns nothing on my box |
| 19:41.09 | chuckkh | valdyn: k |
| 19:41.13 | wols | streuner: I didn't ask you |
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| 19:41.21 | Haris | abrotman: B|ngo, got it |
| 19:41.27 | valdyn | chuckkh: is your /etc/apt/sources.list fine? |
| 19:41.30 | rahul | timrs: early? |
| 19:41.33 | Haris | Thanks |
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| 19:41.37 | streuner | wols: who told you the answer was for you? |
| 19:41.45 | wols | streuner: God |
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| 19:41.48 | rahul | timrs: why not ask your real question? |
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| 19:42.00 | valdyn | chuckkh: paste the output of 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' |
| 19:42.00 | chuckkh | valdyn: yup, got the gatech etch bin & src, and the debian.org security bin & src |
| 19:42.11 | chuckkh | valdyn: k one sec |
| 19:42.16 | timrs | rahul: ive /etc/init.d/earlykdm in opensuse, and was wondering if this file was in the same place for debian? |
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| 19:42.26 | rahul | timrs: it doesn't exist in debian |
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| 19:42.39 | timrs | rahul: do you know where the equivelent would be? |
| 19:42.48 | rahul | timrs: why would I know what it does? |
| 19:43.01 | solitude | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.03 | rahul | timrs: do you have a real problem? |
| 19:43.09 | stopher | abrotman: i tried a2dismod, but that's for modules not sites...any other ideas |
| 19:43.13 | chuckkh | http://pastebin.ca/620854 |
| 19:43.22 | abrotman | stopher: a2dissite ? |
| 19:43.26 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.27 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, timrs? |
| 19:43.33 | rhsanborn | this is a little ot, but I have a remote comp with ssh behind a linksys router. It works inside the network, and I've forwarded the ports, but can't get it from outside. Any ideas of something I might be missing? |
| 19:43.33 | streuner | dpkg, scalix is <reply> Scalix is an open source e-mail and groupware server that runs on Linux, licensed under the Scalix Public License (SPL). It was previously proprietary software. |
| 19:43.34 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 19:43.36 | timrs | rahul: im trying to help someone in #kde have things run as kdm starts up |
| 19:43.37 | abrotman | wols: make kde not suck ? |
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| 19:44.01 | solitude | abrotman, hard task |
| 19:44.02 | wols | abrotman: impossible endeavours are not doable on sundays. come back tomorrow |
| 19:44.05 | rahul | timrs: erm, doesn't kdm have some sort of initialization file? |
| 19:44.13 | abrotman | man kdm ? |
| 19:44.23 | streuner | wols: if you want private convos, just use pm, this is public... |
| 19:44.31 | valdyn | chuckkh: do that ldd on each file listed in 'ldd /usr/bin/amixer' |
| 19:44.32 | smtlaissezfaire | stopher: Or the manual way is simply to delete the symbolic link /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/my-site |
| 19:44.43 | chuckkh | vald ok, paste output? |
| 19:44.45 | timrs | in opensuse, it has earlykdm, and can't help a debian user who doesn't have that file |
| 19:44.51 | valdyn | chuckkh: yea |
| 19:44.57 | rahul | timrs: then you need to learn how to use kdm... |
| 19:45.02 | chuckkh | vald kk |
| 19:45.07 | rahul | kdm: etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc |
| 19:45.13 | valdyn | chuckkh: i want to see which of these libraries is pulling libresmgr |
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| 19:45.16 | rahul | what is that file? |
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| 19:47.00 | rahul | #kde seems to be about as knowledgable as #ubuntu |
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| 19:47.28 | chuckkh | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/620860 |
| 19:47.41 | chuckkh | valdyn: sorry if the format is awkward |
| 19:48.13 | chuckkh | wow so it's libasound2? |
| 19:48.28 | valdyn | chuckkh: yea, that's not debians file |
| 19:49.00 | chuckkh | valdyn: should I go another level into its ldd list? |
| 19:49.05 | valdyn | chuckkh: no |
| 19:49.17 | solitude | rahul, big surprise |
| 19:49.22 | solitude | #ubuntu is a cesspit |
| 19:49.22 | valdyn | chuckkh: run 'debsums libasound2 | grep -v OK' |
| 19:49.34 | stopher | smtlaissezfaire: that doesn't work..apache says not found-can't start...a2dissite worked, thanks abrotman |
| 19:49.36 | solitude | the signal->noise ratio is high |
| 19:49.42 | abrotman | uhm ok |
| 19:50.13 | chuckkh | valdyn: brilliant command, but no output, all OK |
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| 19:50.58 | stopher | where is the hosts file located on apache ... man this is a lot of work! |
| 19:51.13 | chuckkh | solitude: run a FFT to remove noise and you're golden |
| 19:51.15 | chuckkh | ;) |
| 19:51.18 | valdyn | chuckkh: 'ls -l /usr/lib/libasound.so.2' |
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| 19:51.28 | abrotman | stopher: i think your /etc/hosts is the problem |
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| 19:51.34 | valdyn | chuckkh: that's a symlink, or should be a symlink -> so its not checked by debsums |
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| 19:52.31 | valdyn | chuckkh: oh, im a retard, why is there a libasound.so.2 in your /lib ? |
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| 19:52.40 | chuckkh | valdyn: ok, it's a link 777, root:root, modified 7/8, /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 _> libasound.so.2.0.0 |
| 19:52.45 | stopher | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:53.03 | chuckkh | valdyn: I believe that might be one I stuck in in an attempt to get csound to work |
| 19:53.06 | valdyn | chuckkh: yea, its good, your /lib content has files that dont belong there |
| 19:53.20 | chuckkh | valdyn: I smell a solution |
| 19:53.25 | valdyn | chuckkh: right |
| 19:53.28 | chuckkh | wait that's a suppository |
| 19:53.29 | chuckkh | lol |
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| 19:53.37 | chuckkh | valdyn: just rm it? |
| 19:53.48 | chuckkh | valdyn: it's a link... |
| 19:53.54 | valdyn | chuckkh: to what? |
| 19:54.30 | chuckkh | valdyn: to libasound.so.2.0.0 in the /lib directory as well |
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| 19:54.40 | valdyn | chuckkh: rm /lib/libasound* |
| 19:54.58 | valdyn | chuckkh: then run ldconfig ( as root), then run your amixer |
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| 19:55.32 | chuckkh | valdyn: OH my bad, it's /usr/lib, not /lib |
| 19:55.48 | chuckkh | valdyn: same difference? |
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| 19:56.24 | solemnwarning | I need to resize my root filesystem which resides on an md-raid RAID-5 array, I have no CD drive |
| 19:56.29 | valdyn | chuckkh: you DO have libasound stuff in /lib, remove it, run 'rm /lib/libasound*' |
| 19:56.37 | solemnwarning | Is there any way I can resize / with the system up? |
| 19:56.49 | stopher | abrotman: i revised /etc/hosts and that doesn't seem to fix it...what else contains "ServerName" |
| 19:56.55 | valdyn | solemnwarning: if you use lvm |
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| 19:57.01 | solemnwarning | I don't |
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| 19:57.09 | abrotman | stopher: check the docs in /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/ or something like that |
| 19:57.11 | chuckkh | valdyn: ok, I did run that command |
| 19:57.13 | solemnwarning | But why would LVM allow the system to handle / being resized with it mounted? |
| 19:57.24 | valdyn | chuckkh: run ldconfig, start amixer.. |
| 19:57.26 | solemnwarning | I've enlarged the md |
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| 19:57.39 | zicho | Is there anyway to move a lot of files to a specific location, and when i move them add a series of letters to dem, like if i move "image1" and "image2" I want them to become "image1abc" and "image2abc" |
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| 19:57.49 | chuckkh | valdyn: hallelujah |
| 19:57.58 | solemnwarning | Is there a floppy system that I can use to resize ext3 on md-raid? |
| 19:57.59 | k31th | whats the equiv to ctrl-a for vim ? so can select all text and copy it ? |
| 19:58.06 | chuckkh | valdyn: valdyn += beer |
| 19:58.27 | valdyn | solemnwarning: resizing the md online worked? |
| 19:58.32 | chuckkh | valdyn: I'll remember that stuff too, although I won't need it because it won't happen again |
| 19:58.34 | solemnwarning | Yeah |
| 19:58.38 | solemnwarning | Nothing crashed |
| 19:58.46 | solemnwarning | It's 96% done with reshape |
| 19:58.59 | valdyn | solemnwarning: ok, ok, just grow your ext3 fs too |
| 19:59.12 | solemnwarning | Can I resize/fsck a mounted ext3? |
| 19:59.21 | valdyn | solemnwarning: grow yes |
| 19:59.30 | solemnwarning | wow |
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| 19:59.48 | solemnwarning | I thought Linux would throw a fit if I ran resize2fs on mounted / |
| 19:59.54 | chuckkh | thankye dude |
| 20:00.07 | valdyn | solemnwarning: there's 2 resizers, i dont know which one actually does it |
| 20:00.09 | solemnwarning | md will have finished reshape in a min |
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| 20:00.46 | valdyn | solemnwarning: " If the filesystem is mounted, it can be used to expand the size of the mounted filesystem, assuming the kernel supports on-line resizing." |
| 20:00.48 | sly007 | Hello, how do I use 80211softmac module? |
| 20:00.54 | sly007 | Hello, how do I use 80211softmac module? |
| 20:01.04 | solemnwarning | valdyn: Does the debian stock kernel support online resizing? |
| 20:01.19 | valdyn | solemnwarning: no idea when it was added.. |
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| 20:02.12 | sandman | Does the latest X have the capacity to change colordepth while its running? |
| 20:02.12 | solemnwarning | Yay |
| 20:02.15 | solemnwarning | It appears to |
| 20:02.26 | valdyn | sandman: yes |
| 20:02.32 | eddie | dose anyone here know anything about preseed.cfg?? |
| 20:02.37 | eddie | http://www.pastebin.ca/620745 |
| 20:02.40 | sandman | valdyn: But not the one in Etch? |
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| 20:03.18 | bolt | How can I change an account in Icedove to use the global inbox? Do I have to recreate it? |
| 20:03.22 | valdyn | sandman: mm, i thought the one in sid did, but it does not |
| 20:03.29 | solemnwarning | Can I force an fsck upon reboot? |
| 20:03.42 | valdyn | solemnwarning: like touch /forcefsck |
| 20:03.48 | solemnwarning | thanks |
| 20:03.56 | valdyn | solemnwarning: check the manpage.. |
| 20:03.58 | Lethargy_4 | sure try this shutdown -rF now. |
| 20:04.02 | solemnwarning | Which manpage? :P |
| 20:04.06 | valdyn | solemnwarning: i dont really know, i just remember , barely |
| 20:04.08 | solemnwarning | fsck? fstab? somthing else? |
| 20:04.19 | Lethargy_4 | the F will use fsck the next time it comes up for reboot, |
| 20:04.38 | valdyn | Lethargy_4: fsck everything? |
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| 20:04.47 | pumpkin0 | how do i check the quality of burned DVD ? sometimes mine read back bit-for-bit correct but very slowly. I don't really trust these. |
| 20:04.50 | Lethargy_4 | all mounted file systems. |
| 20:05.02 | Lethargy_4 | whatever is in your fstab. |
| 20:05.37 | valdyn | pumpkin0: 'apt-cache search dvd check' ? |
| 20:06.09 | wols | pumpkin0: don'tknow of any debian programs for that. Nero however does have a windosw one for free afaik |
| 20:06.27 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: so you sugest cdck ? |
| 20:06.31 | wols | pumpkin0: also check cdfreaks. they most certainly have the best stuff for that |
| 20:06.35 | level1 | is there a program that will map and configure my multimedia keyboard? |
| 20:06.58 | streuner | yes |
| 20:07.00 | Lethargy_4 | do a man growisofs, should have a check function. |
| 20:07.04 | rahul | level1: xkb? |
| 20:07.33 | level1 | rahul: like, how do you use it? I can't find configuration files anywhere |
| 20:07.45 | rahul | heh |
| 20:08.13 | Lethargy_4 | level1: I think it depends on the keyboard, |
| 20:08.14 | rahul | setxkbmap -option; setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps; etc etc |
| 20:08.19 | streuner | level1: LinEAK |
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| 20:08.48 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.49 | rahul | etc |
| 20:09.03 | Pencil | hey guys anyone here use westell 6100? |
| 20:09.10 | Pencil | wahts a base host port? |
| 20:10.02 | streuner | !info lineakd |
| 20:10.06 | dpkg | lineakd: (Linux support for Easy Access and Internet Keyboards), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.9-3 (sid), Packaged size: 104 kB, Installed size: 452 kB |
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| 20:11.07 | solemnwarning | I've resized my md-raid / and the system now fails to boot |
| 20:11.21 | stopher | is there any easy way to move the contents of a folder rather than the entire folder itself |
| 20:11.23 | solemnwarning | There's a kernel message saying that there are no devices for md2 |
| 20:11.36 | pumpkin0 | wols, valdyn: thanks. |
| 20:11.49 | solemnwarning | I get an initramfs shell, /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf seems to be out of date |
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| 20:12.00 | solemnwarning | Was I supposed to run a command to rebuild my initramfs? |
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| 20:15.31 | mark87 | how do i run a .deb file (i assume it is like rpm) |
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| 20:16.21 | wols | mark87: man dpkg |
| 20:16.24 | solemnwarning | ffs |
| 20:16.27 | solemnwarning | I can't boot the system |
| 20:16.38 | Pencil | hey whats that feature where your box emails you its new IP? |
| 20:16.43 | solemnwarning | How do I make the mdadm in initramfs detect the new array config? |
| 20:16.44 | Pencil | something with dyndns? |
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| 20:16.45 | Pencil | i forgot |
| 20:16.57 | zicho | I have a bash script that converts my movie to a smaller resolution. I tell what file it should convert vid -i and the output with -o, so for example "-i in.avi -o out.avi". Is it possible to make it convert multiple movies at the same time, and save them as "movie 1", "movie 2" etc? |
| 20:17.00 | wols | Pencil: use dyndns and there is no email |
| 20:17.05 | wols | and it'S not needed |
| 20:17.08 | Pencil | do you have a guide for that? |
| 20:17.19 | Pencil | because i dont wann adrive ike 30 miles to check the IP on the box |
| 20:17.20 | Pencil | if it changes |
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| 20:18.34 | pumpkin0 | zicho: sure. bash scripts are the easy way "for i in *.raw.avi ; do -i $i.avi -o out$i.avi"; done |
| 20:18.38 | Pencil | dyndns isn't free? |
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| 20:19.10 | pumpkin0 | Pencil: dyndns is free |
| 20:19.33 | Pencil | gotcha |
| 20:19.35 | Pencil | im registering |
| 20:19.54 | abrotman | pumpkin0: do -i ? |
| 20:19.57 | xlq | I'm getting a warning about hard-disk not spinning down fully at shutdown. The warning points me to this page: http://linux-ata.org/shutdown.html |
| 20:19.59 | xlq | not sure what to do |
| 20:20.02 | Pencil | now do i download a program? |
| 20:20.03 | xlq | Kernel is 2.6.22 |
| 20:20.07 | zicho | pumpkin0: what does "$i" do? |
| 20:20.14 | xlq | Pencil, if there's a package for it, use apt-get install ... |
| 20:20.28 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: he said his line was "-i ...". |
| 20:20.34 | abrotman | ok |
| 20:20.43 | solemnwarning | Do I need to reinstall this machine?! |
| 20:20.48 | pumpkin0 | zicho: it gets replaced by the i in "for i ..." |
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| 20:21.15 | xlq | Using debian etch (4.0), i386 |
| 20:21.18 | pumpkin0 | zicho: test it with "echo $i", that will makes things clear. |
| 20:21.20 | xlq | I don't want to break my hdd |
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| 20:22.11 | Pencil | should i enable wildcard? |
| 20:22.34 | zicho | so "reencode -i movie$i.avi -o out$i.av" is correct? |
| 20:22.39 | Pencil | hey now what do i do guys? |
| 20:22.52 | Pencil | i go in to /etc/hosts? |
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| 20:23.19 | pumpkin0 | zicho: depends on the for. basicly: yes. |
| 20:23.28 | Pencil | guys? |
| 20:23.34 | Pencil | i go into /etc/hosts and put my DNS in right? |
| 20:24.31 | Lethargy_4 | xlq: do you have any power management kernel arguements in the kernel such as apic, lapic or pwm. |
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| 20:24.45 | rox | how do i identify the correct module for my chipset? |
| 20:24.53 | xlq | Lethargy_4, no, the only kernel arguments I've got is root=/dev/sda76 |
| 20:24.59 | xlq | * /dev/sda6 |
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| 20:25.22 | Lethargy_4 | in that case you probably are running apic, which should give you the shutdown. |
| 20:25.26 | solemnwarning | I've expanded an md RAID-5 array, how the hell do I make initramfs use it?! |
| 20:25.53 | xlq | Lethargy_4, shouldn't I be running apic? |
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| 20:25.58 | Lethargy_4 | I have a laptop that has that problem but have to disable apic in order to boot, I would not worry too much about it. |
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| 20:26.36 | xlq | Lethargy_4, so I just ignore the warning? |
| 20:26.43 | sly007 | Hello, how do I use 80211softmac module? |
| 20:26.46 | Lethargy_4 | it should be on by default, unless you turned it off, most kernels have it on. check your dmesg for more information. |
| 20:26.48 | xlq | it won't harm, or reduce the lifespan of, the hard disk? |
| 20:27.15 | Lethargy_4 | xlq: now, as by that warning the file system has already cleared the nodes. |
| 20:27.21 | pumpkin0 | Lethargy_4, xlq: the not-unloading reduces the number of spin up/down cycles by 1 order of magnitude. Better check it... |
| 20:27.22 | zicho | pumpkin0: it tries to create a directory called "/media/movies/gp2x-ready" :S |
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| 20:27.32 | mark87 | anyone know how to get freenx to run? |
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| 20:27.40 | abrotman | ask #nx |
| 20:27.44 | pumpkin0 | zicho: try with echo $i and check ... |
| 20:27.53 | stopher | how do i change a folder from 0755 permissions to 0777? |
| 20:27.54 | Winkie | hey guys, trying to build the svn version of the systeminstaller packages and having issues |
| 20:28.01 | Winkie | the only control file is 'debian/control.in' |
| 20:28.01 | abrotman | stopher: chmod |
| 20:28.11 | Winkie | and copying that to 'control' ends up with errors at the end of the build process |
| 20:28.11 | xlq | pumpkin0, how does it? |
| 20:28.15 | stopher | I tried chmod but it tells me to try chmod --help? |
| 20:28.19 | Winkie | any suggestions on how to resolve this? |
| 20:28.22 | zicho | pumpkin0: figured it out now. |
| 20:28.23 | abrotman | stopher: you apparently did it wrong |
| 20:28.26 | pumpkin0 | xlq: how does what ? |
| 20:28.29 | solemnwarning | I've expanded an md RAID-5 array, how the hell do I make initramfs use it?! |
| 20:28.39 | stopher | chmod /var/www/site/folder 0777 |
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| 20:28.43 | pumpkin0 | stopher: chmod 0777 /path/to/dir |
| 20:28.51 | stopher | thanks! |
| 20:28.53 | xlq | pumpkin0, how does the not-unloading reduce the number of spin up/down cycles by 1 order of magnitude? |
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| 20:29.07 | mark87 | ok thanks for helping |
| 20:30.02 | Lethargy_4 | usually when it gets to that message the write head should be done writing, unless you see the hdlight still moving. |
| 20:30.10 | pumpkin0 | xlq: the not planed, emergency unload system stresses the head assembly a lot more then the normal, controlled spindown. Check the specs for your HD, it is usually documented in there. |
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| 20:30.20 | Pencil | hey guys |
| 20:30.28 | xlq | pumpkin0, so how can I avoid it? |
| 20:30.29 | Pencil | where do i put my dns that i got from dyndns? |
| 20:30.35 | Pencil | do i place it in /etc/hosts? |
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| 20:30.46 | xlq | The article on linux-ata.org tells me to update my shutdown(8), but I don't know how |
| 20:30.51 | pumpkin0 | Lethargy_4: all shutdow-variants do the sync. You never get data lost with that problem. |
| 20:30.57 | xlq | I thought the 'shutdown' program just calls init etc. |
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| 20:31.49 | eddie | can someone point me in the right direction for the preseed.cfg file issue? |
| 20:32.00 | eddie | I cant eem to set a static ip |
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| 20:32.01 | Pencil | i install ddclient right? |
| 20:32.25 | solemnwarning | I've expanded an md RAID-5 array, the system won't boot now. mdadm in initramfs claims that md2 has no devices, mdadm --misc --examine on all the RAID filesystems shows they have the correct UUID and detects the array fine, WHAT THE HELL DO I NEED TO DO TO GET THE SYSTEM TO BOOT?! |
| 20:32.30 | pumpkin0 | Pencil: right. |
| 20:32.51 | Pencil | pumpkin, what do they mean by interface? |
| 20:32.55 | Pencil | Enter the interface which is used for using dynamic DNS service. |
| 20:33.03 | zicho | pumpkin0: Im converting all my movies now flawlessly! Thx for your help |
| 20:33.05 | pumpkin0 | xlq: it is a lot more complex. What kernel do you run ? |
| 20:33.23 | pumpkin0 | Pencil: eth0, eth1 ... the names ifconfig spits out. |
| 20:33.34 | Pencil | i think eth0 |
| 20:33.42 | xlq | pumpkin0, kernel is 2.6.22 |
| 20:33.53 | Pencil | pumpkin0, how do i check if ddclient is working? |
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| 20:34.15 | Pencil | and how often does it change the ip? |
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| 20:35.26 | Pencil | hm |
| 20:36.04 | pumpkin0 | Pencil: it rechecks every time the interface changes (new IP...). |
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| 20:36.27 | pumpkin0 | xlotlu: sorry, no idea with that kernel. I didn't get it with that one. |
| 20:36.33 | pumpkin0 | xlq: ^^^ |
| 20:36.40 | Pencil | sweeeeet. |
| 20:36.41 | Pencil | haha |
| 20:36.51 | Pencil | thanks pumpkin |
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| 20:37.05 | eddie | pumpkin0: i thinky ou helped me before with my preseedig issue. |
| 20:37.09 | xlq | mb I should use an earlier kernel |
| 20:37.18 | xlq | I didn't have this problem with 2.6.20, x86_64 |
| 20:37.34 | pumpkin0 | Pencil: testdrive it before you run it in production. It is not 100% fool-proof and the logs are spare... |
| 20:37.47 | pumpkin0 | eddie: nope, wrong one. |
| 20:37.59 | solemnwarning | I've expanded an md RAID-5 array, the system won't boot now. mdadm in initramfs claims that md2 has no devices, mdadm --misc --examine on all the RAID filesystems shows they have the correct UUID and detects the array fine, WHAT THE HELL DO I NEED TO DO TO GET THE SYSTEM TO BOOT?! |
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| 20:38.29 | eddie | #debian-boot? |
| 20:38.36 | eddie | or is it #boot-debian |
| 20:38.42 | eddie | fr he network install channel? |
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| 20:39.24 | Pencil | what do you mean by the logs are spare? |
| 20:39.33 | lindenle | Hi for some reason web sites think my firefox needs wml, can someone give me a hint? |
| 20:39.59 | pumpkin0 | Pencil: it does not always log failtures, wrong passwords, etc. Test it before you use it. |
| 20:40.30 | Pencil | how would i test it? |
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| 20:40.49 | Pencil | i was planning to bring it to my friends where imgonna leave the box |
| 20:40.51 | wols | lindenle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Markup_Language |
| 20:40.54 | Pencil | and then check if the IP has changed or not |
| 20:41.07 | mhall | Does anybody know where you can get Tomcat 6 packages for Debian? I can only find 5.5 so far... maybe there is some kind of unofficial stuff available... |
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| 20:41.44 | Pencil | does the DNS take time to change? |
| 20:41.58 | lindenle | wols: I know what it is, I don't know why these web sites think my firefox needs it |
| 20:42.03 | tarzeau | i wish debian updated gnu screen to the cvs version for the vertical splits: http://polishlinux.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/screen-konsole2.png |
| 20:42.06 | Pencil | and what if dyndns is behind a router? |
| 20:42.29 | Pencil | pumpkin0, i mean what if im behind a router and my ip is 192.168.1.100 or smething? it'll get my wan ip? |
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| 20:43.52 | solemnwarning | I think I've managed to get the system up |
| 20:44.08 | solemnwarning | How do I rebuild my initramfs so that mdadm has the new config? |
| 20:45.13 | wols | tarzeau: what besides vnc lets me do a "screen for X11"? |
| 20:46.02 | valdyn | solemnwarning: reinstalling the debian kernel does it |
| 20:46.11 | solemnwarning | Thankyou |
| 20:46.19 | tarzeau | wols: on windows? xming? normal ssh without gui? |
| 20:46.42 | valdyn | solemnwarning: there's a command that does only rebuild the initrd, 'update-initramfs' or somesuch |
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| 20:46.50 | wols | tarzeau: it must be GUI, and it must be like screen. the clien OS is irrelevant. any options? |
| 20:46.57 | solemnwarning | I'll try it once fsck finished |
| 20:47.01 | solemnwarning | *finishes |
| 20:47.11 | wols | tarzeau: I mean I need to contact an X session that has to always run even when not connected to |
| 20:47.44 | tarzeau | wols: i like remote x, then vnc, rdesktop exists too and well remote display postscript... there's no one shoe fits all |
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| 20:48.17 | tarzeau | wols: x2x? |
| 20:48.18 | wols | I told you what I need. and there is no terminal server for linux which can do rdesktop |
| 20:48.18 | valdyn | wols: what's wrong with vnc ? |
| 20:48.31 | tarzeau | wols: xvnc exists? |
| 20:48.32 | wols | it's slow, very slow |
| 20:48.44 | wols | i'm in a lan and I need to transmit a game screen over it |
| 20:48.46 | tarzeau | wols: you needs the faster internet :) |
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| 20:48.54 | wols | LAN != internet |
| 20:48.54 | tarzeau | wols: how far? |
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| 20:49.04 | tarzeau | wols: what about a vga repeater cable over ethernet? |
| 20:49.08 | wols | both machines are sitting under my desk |
| 20:49.11 | tarzeau | wols: not exactly cheap, but can go 100meters |
| 20:49.18 | valdyn | wols: a game screen? |
| 20:49.28 | wols | a game screen, yes. Diablo2 to be exact |
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| 20:49.46 | saimazoon | Hello |
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| 20:49.53 | petemc | wols: nx |
| 20:50.02 | saimazoon | I've got a problem with my Debian Etch not recognizing my DVD reader |
| 20:50.06 | wols | petemc: can that connect and disconnect at will? would freenx work too? |
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| 20:50.22 | petemc | i use nomachine debs, but you can detach sessions, aye |
| 20:50.23 | saimazoon | I think it's a SATA unit, and I've read that's prone to detection problems under many circumstances |
| 20:50.25 | wols | petemc: and it has to continue running (the X session) even when I'M not connected |
| 20:50.29 | petemc | right |
| 20:50.30 | wols | thank you |
| 20:50.39 | saimazoon | I enabled AHCI mode in my BIOS, but I'd like to know which options are necessary in a new kernel, so that it doesn't require it any more |
| 20:50.40 | petemc | i use it for a gui usenet client |
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| 20:50.45 | reiser2 | hi |
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| 20:51.12 | valdyn | saimazoon: why? what's wrong with ahci mode? |
| 20:51.16 | reiser2 | what tool is there to create flash animations in Linux ? |
| 20:51.27 | saimazoon | I can't enter windows with that mode enabled |
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| 20:51.44 | valdyn | saimazoon: the other mode is raid |
| 20:51.50 | valdyn | saimazoon: is windows on a raid? |
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| 20:51.56 | saimazoon | I don't think so |
| 20:52.24 | solemnwarning | ARGH |
| 20:52.26 | wols | saimazoon: reinstall your windows with ahci enabled |
| 20:52.33 | wols | windows can do ahci just fine |
| 20:52.35 | saimazoon | yeah |
| 20:52.40 | saimazoon | that seems to be the problem |
| 20:52.40 | saimazoon | thanks |
| 20:52.41 | solemnwarning | I reinstalled the kernel and ran update-initramfs |
| 20:52.52 | solemnwarning | The initramfs STILL has the old config |
| 20:53.11 | valdyn | solemnwarning: where's the new one? |
| 20:53.22 | valdyn | solemnwarning: did you actually read the documentation to update-initramfs? |
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| 20:53.30 | solemnwarning | It should be in /etc |
| 20:53.42 | solemnwarning | Maybe mdadm didn't update the one on the real filesystem |
| 20:53.49 | reiser2 | what tool is there to create flash animations in Linux ? |
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| 20:54.58 | Pencil | hey, what do i do if DDCLIENT uses my router IP instead of my WAN? |
| 20:55.19 | abrotman | reiser2: you can do it with PHP .. but nothing like the flash studio stuff from adobe/macromedia |
| 20:55.26 | valdyn | Pencil: let your router act as a dyndns client |
| 20:55.32 | Pencil | what? |
| 20:55.36 | reiser2 | heheheh |
| 20:55.38 | thedonvaughn | Pencil: read ddclient's documentation. You can use "web" to get your ISP's assigned public IP |
| 20:55.40 | Pencil | so i have to configure the router? |
| 20:55.45 | valdyn | Pencil: sure |
| 20:55.54 | reiser2 | well, i will try wine |
| 20:56.01 | valdyn | Pencil: why the hell would you let ddclient run on a box that is only on the LOCAL net? |
| 20:56.14 | Pencil | what? |
| 20:56.21 | Pencil | im planning to host this box at my friends house |
| 20:56.26 | Pencil | and his internet is behind a router |
| 20:56.28 | thedonvaughn | valdyn: he's just behind a router/switch/firewall combo thingy. |
| 20:56.40 | valdyn | thedonvaughn: yes i now |
| 20:56.47 | Pencil | will it get my WAN ip or my ROUTER ip? |
| 20:56.52 | valdyn | Pencil: so let his router handle the dyndns stuff |
| 20:57.10 | Pencil | ah i get it |
| 20:57.14 | Pencil | i see it now its under DDNS |
| 20:57.15 | Pencil | gotcha. |
| 20:57.16 | thedonvaughn | Pencil: i told you what to do. Go to it. I use ddclient with a router. Read ddclient's documentation, it's incredibly easy. |
| 20:57.21 | valdyn | Pencil: your terminology is confusing, as both, the WAN ip and the ROUTER ip are the SAME IP |
| 20:57.29 | Pencil | yeah i got it. |
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| 20:57.48 | valdyn | ( except that your router actualy has 2 seperate ips, one of which is the wan ip |
| 20:58.12 | Pencil | hm |
| 20:58.14 | troythetechguy1 | I just installed Debian etch, and I'm really impressed at how fast it runs compared to Ubuntu! |
| 20:58.21 | Pencil | if i configure the linksys router to use dyndns. |
| 20:58.28 | Pencil | wont that make ddclient override my decision? |
| 20:58.35 | Pencil | i mean make it override the router settingS? |
| 20:58.38 | valdyn | Pencil: get rid of ddclient |
| 20:58.47 | Pencil | kk |
| 20:58.53 | valdyn | Pencil: it has no business being on that machine |
| 20:59.13 | Pencil | how do i purge remove it again? |
| 20:59.19 | valdyn | Pencil: ddclient is for a machine that is directly on the internet. You router is, that computer obviously is not |
| 20:59.25 | valdyn | aptitude purge ddclient |
| 20:59.43 | Pencil | thanks |
| 21:00.16 | troythetechguy1 | Althought, I thought by doing the netinst, I would be able to select the packages I wanted to install. When doing the install I was given the choice of what I wanted to use the computer for (mail server, web server, desktop, etc), then the corresponding packages were installed. Did I do this right? |
| 21:00.40 | valdyn | troythetechguy1: sure, why would anything be wrong? |
| 21:01.17 | troythetechguy1 | valdyn, I just thought I would have the option of installing each and every package, 1 by 1. Although, that make take forever! :) |
| 21:01.24 | petemc | troythetechguy1: you can choose to not install any of those meta packages and just manually install what you want |
| 21:01.30 | thedonvaughn | valdyn: what do u mean? Many people run ddclient behind a router or a firewall. I do. and many others do too |
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| 21:01.54 | valdyn | troythetechguy1: you do have the choice, that 'task selector' is just to get the first step done for the people who wouldnt find their way around debians 17000 packages |
| 21:02.09 | valdyn | thedonvaughn: hah |
| 21:02.14 | troythetechguy1 | petemc, Ah, I should have said no to the meta packages, then once the basic Debian system was installed, I could have done apt-get package, right? |
| 21:02.24 | valdyn | thedonvaughn: that's fucked up |
| 21:02.32 | thedonvaughn | valdyn: why? |
| 21:02.35 | petemc | troythetechguy1: correct |
| 21:02.58 | petemc | troythetechguy1: tho, you should use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 21:03.30 | troythetechguy1 | petemc, Oh well, even with the meta packages installed this older pc is running faster than it did with Ubuntu 6.06 installed on it! |
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| 21:03.46 | unseensoul | hi |
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| 21:03.47 | troythetechguy1 | petemc, What is the difference between apt-get and aptitude? |
| 21:03.51 | tzfardea | Hey, I'm trying to install the nvidia driver, when I run m-a auto-install nvidia I get this error "Package nvidia-kernel-source is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
| 21:03.57 | valdyn | thedonvaughn: it makes things needlessly complicated |
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| 21:04.20 | spheard | does anyone hae a howto on how to set up a simple .forward in exim. I just want to send all mails to another account |
| 21:04.37 | thedonvaughn | valdyn: not really at all. not any diff than if you had a static domain behind a firewall. i'm confused on your logic. |
| 21:04.44 | Lethargy_4 | tzfardea: you need to install the nvidia-kernel-source package, which might want kernel headers, and kernel source. |
| 21:04.56 | petemc | troythetechguy1: aptitude is mroe advanced |
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| 21:05.00 | troythetechguy1 | petemc, Since the only other linux distro I used was Ubuntu, to make system changes in Debian I must log into the root acount, right? No sudo command like in Ubuntu? |
| 21:05.20 | petemc | troythetechguy1: youc an install sudo |
| 21:05.21 | tzfardea | Lethargy_4, "E: Package nvidia-kernel-source has no installation candidate" |
| 21:05.23 | Lethargy_4 | troythetechguy1: Yes, but you can have sudo if you like. |
| 21:05.33 | thedonvaughn | troythetechguy1: you can setup sudo, and i recommend you do so. however, unlike ubuntu yes root is active (and good to be so, believe me) |
| 21:05.47 | valdyn | thedonvaughn: hes settings the dns entry of his router via dyndns. The route is the only thing at his home that needs to be involved. Adding to that is adding another possible point of failure |
| 21:05.55 | petemc | spheard: "deliver foo@bar" should work |
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| 21:07.18 | thedonvaughn | valdyn: no. if i have 3 systems behind a little wireless router/switch/firewall, i want all 3 to still have services open to the public. Now technically all i need is one domain and i can do "virtual servers" by port forwarding or IP nat.. but still if i want all 3 to have their own domain... DNS is local to a system, has nothing todo with the router. |
| 21:07.40 | valdyn | thedonvaughn: you're talking about something else |
| 21:07.48 | troythetechguy1 | I'm having trouble getting my intel i740 video card to refresh at 85hz (I had the same issue under Ubuntu). I found this link http://packages.debian.org/experimental/x11/xserver-xorg-video-i740 for an experimental package for my video card. Does anyone know anything about this package? |
| 21:07.52 | thedonvaughn | valdyn: that' |
| 21:07.55 | Lethargy_4 | just msg the bot with /msg dpkg ask about nvidia. |
| 21:07.59 | thedonvaughn | valdyn: that's what ddclient is.. dyndns right? |
| 21:08.15 | thedonvaughn | valdyn: oh well... it really doesn't matter :) |
| 21:08.23 | Lethargy_4 | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 21:08.41 | spheard | petemc: where does the .forward file actually go? |
| 21:08.48 | petemc | ~ |
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| 21:10.34 | spheard | k, |
| 21:10.51 | petemc | if you dont have real users, its easy to set up a router to look in an arbitrary file |
| 21:11.02 | spheard | so just have deliver foo@bar in file .forward in ~ and itshould just work? |
| 21:11.10 | petemc | yup |
| 21:11.18 | spheard | cool |
| 21:11.36 | spheard | petemc, I eventually want to set up virtual domains on it |
| 21:11.50 | spheard | thats not qite going how id like atthe moment :-/ |
| 21:12.14 | petemc | its easy enough |
| 21:12.25 | petemc | tho, i dont use the debian way, i use my own config |
| 21:12.45 | petemc | i believe its not too hard to do it the debian way, tho |
| 21:13.29 | troythetechguy1 | Can I use different window managers under Debian, just like in Ubuntu? |
| 21:13.34 | petemc | yes |
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| 21:14.08 | frankr | how can I use apt-get to reinstall a package without just doing remove and install |
| 21:14.40 | petemc | --reinstall , as per the manpage |
| 21:15.08 | spheard | petemc: Im sure Im missing something stupid allthought the howto seems to be missing something |
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| 21:16.29 | petemc | spheard: the dovecot wiki has all you need, or if you look at the debian bug reports for exim4, theres one from a guy complaining there should be a way to do virtual users with debconf, he provides examples |
| 21:16.30 | spheard | petemc, I got an error "missing or malformed local part (expected word or "<") in the address "deliver andrew.holway@gmail.com"" |
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| 21:16.53 | petemc | spheard: pastebin exim4 -d -bt youruser |
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| 21:20.11 | spheard | petemc, its just a syntax thing. does it have to be something like deliver <foo@bar> http://rafb.net/p/TbguDv28.html |
| 21:20.22 | spheard | well, I think its a syntax thing |
| 21:21.03 | semprix | guys |
| 21:21.10 | frankr | I'm trying to compile wine on 64-bit and getting this error - configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 21:21.22 | semprix | im having this error when trying to play some .avi file on mplayer Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) driver |
| 21:21.23 | petemc | spheard: the syntax i told you is valid exim filter syntax |
| 21:21.29 | valdyn | frankr: why would you try to compile it on 64-bit ? |
| 21:21.40 | spheard | petemc :-/ odd |
| 21:21.55 | pipeline | frankr: wine is 32 bit only. |
| 21:21.58 | frankr | valdyn, b/c according to http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit I can |
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| 21:22.24 | semprix | i have an nvidia card |
| 21:22.38 | pipeline | frankr: that wiki article explains building a 32 bit wine on a 64 bit system. Not the same thing at all. |
| 21:23.05 | rhododendron | i've got a sis640 graphics card and i am using the sis_drv that comes with debian/xorg. my desktop is very slow comparing to windows. anyone experiences with that card? |
| 21:23.06 | valdyn | frankr: that does not answer my quesetion really |
| 21:23.14 | pipeline | frankr: have you installed build-essential? |
| 21:23.15 | petemc | spheard: exim filter files need "# Exim filter" at the top of the file |
| 21:23.35 | pipeline | rhododendron: It's a really awful card. You'll pretty much have to live with it. Have you tried using the VESA driver? |
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| 21:23.54 | rhododendron | pipeline: not yet. |
| 21:23.59 | frankr | pipeline, yes |
| 21:24.03 | rhododendron | pipeline: could that help? |
| 21:24.04 | pipeline | rhododendron: It will probably be worse. But it might not be. |
| 21:24.22 | pipeline | frankr: Darn. Well, have fun trying to get a 32 bit cross-compilation environment working :\ |
| 21:24.26 | frankr | pipeline, I'm building 32-bit wine on a 64-bit system, why is that not the same |
| 21:24.31 | rhododendron | pipeline: i'll try it... |
| 21:24.46 | pipeline | frankr: What I've always done is installed 32 bit debian with a 64 bit kernel. |
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| 21:25.00 | pipeline | frankr: There's lots and lots of 32 bit software and very, very little that requires 64 bit :P |
| 21:25.11 | eddie | preseed/run killall.sh |
| 21:25.16 | pipeline | frankr: unfortunately, that approach practically requires a 64 bit chroot in order to build kernel modules. |
| 21:25.21 | eddie | hermhrmhrm |
| 21:25.25 | valdyn | !b-e frankr |
| 21:25.26 | dpkg | frankr: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 21:25.29 | eddie | i need help and no can answer my question! |
| 21:25.30 | eddie | @#$@#$ |
| 21:25.36 | frankr | valdyn, did that ages and ages ago |
| 21:25.40 | Nyle | 64 bit is fast |
| 21:25.45 | Nyle | at least on software compiles |
| 21:26.01 | frankr | and I've compiled al ot of stuff since then, including my own stuff, I know gcc works |
| 21:26.04 | Nyle | quite litereally compiled some packages in half the time it takes on 32bit |
| 21:26.06 | frankr | just can't get it to compile wine |
| 21:26.14 | Nyle | maybe not half, but still a lot faster |
| 21:26.20 | pipeline | frankr: Does it work to produce 32 bit binaries? :P |
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| 21:26.30 | pipeline | frankr: You're using GCC to generate binaries that are a different architecture from the host... |
| 21:26.35 | frankr | pipeline, I haven't a clue |
| 21:26.36 | valdyn | frankr: you're on unstable? |
| 21:26.38 | Nyle | rahul: you're a programmer, what do you think? |
| 21:26.39 | frankr | valdyn, yes |
| 21:26.42 | pipeline | frankr: Well, the error message says that that's not working :) |
| 21:27.04 | Nyle | rahul: concerning 64bit vs 32bit software compiling |
| 21:27.27 | valdyn | frankr: run 'apt-get build-dep wine' |
| 21:27.32 | pipeline | semprix: mplayer has silly error messages. What it probably means is that you have an unset DISPLAY variable, it can't access your DISPLAY, or Xv is broken. It would be nice if it gave specific error messages instead of just saying "whoops it's busted" |
| 21:27.33 | Nyle | amd64 is like my system is on redbull now |
| 21:28.06 | frankr | whats this - /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.1.3/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc |
| 21:28.29 | lekvar | Nyle: how many cores have you got? |
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| 21:28.32 | frankr | just tried to compile a hello world with gcc -m32 hello.c and it spat out that twice then /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc |
| 21:28.50 | valdyn | frankr: what does 'apt-get build-dep wine' give ? |
| 21:28.52 | Nyle | lekvar: 2. 3.5ghzcore 2 |
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| 21:28.59 | afaict | hi folks! |
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| 21:29.01 | pipeline | frankr: You don't have a 32 bit libgcc, eh? |
| 21:29.01 | abrotman | frankr: are you running etch? lenny ? |
| 21:29.15 | frankr | valdyn, done that already. |
| 21:29.19 | frankr | abrotman, unstable |
| 21:29.20 | spheard | petemc, thanks, that was it. how did you set up virtual domains? |
| 21:29.22 | lekvar | Nyle: oh nice, which one is that? you should try the memory tests xingu taught me about earlier |
| 21:29.31 | abrotman | isn't unstable on like gcc4.2 or something ? |
| 21:29.39 | valdyn | abrotman: it isnt |
| 21:29.42 | frankr | pipeline, lib32gcc1? thats installed. |
| 21:29.43 | pipeline | abrotman: 4.1.3 |
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| 21:29.50 | Nyle | lekvar: I must have missed it. Which tests? I have a core 2 duo E6300 from 1.866ghz to 3.5ghzz now |
| 21:29.52 | D0ug | Hello, could someone please explain how I am to configure a pppoe connection with the netinst cd. |
| 21:29.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: reminds me i want to rebuild all stuff with tendracc :) |
| 21:29.57 | pipeline | frankr: Now we're getting somewhere. It's installed, so why is it not in the path? |
| 21:29.57 | valdyn | 4.2 is broken and in experimental |
| 21:30.01 | Nyle | lekvar: and this on amd64 os freakin fast! |
| 21:30.03 | abrotman | maybe 4.2 was one of the next transitions |
| 21:30.05 | lekvar | Howcome when I install 4.2 under lenny it doesn't become "the" gcc? Is that something I should be glad for? |
| 21:30.06 | tarzeau | valdyn: and 4.3? |
| 21:30.31 | pipeline | frankr: tried gcc -L/usr/lib/gcc32/whatever/blah/blah/blah ? |
| 21:30.31 | rhododendron | pipeline: vesa works |
| 21:30.31 | petemc | spheard: as i said, i use my own config with routers very similar to the ones on the dovecot wiki |
| 21:30.32 | valdyn | tarzeau: nfc |
| 21:30.32 | pipeline | rhododendron: Yes, but does it suck? |
| 21:30.32 | lekvar | Nyle: oh I see, you're using your computer to make toasted cheese sandwiches! |
| 21:30.38 | rhododendron | pipeline: sucking in which way? |
| 21:30.40 | frankr | pipeline, no I have not, but I don't know where it put libgcc32 |
| 21:30.42 | Nyle | lekvar: I can't top 35C idle and 40-45C tops under FULL stress tet |
| 21:30.44 | Nyle | test* |
| 21:30.47 | valdyn | abrotman: it shouldnt be a transition as far as i know |
| 21:30.47 | pipeline | frankr: dpkg -L |
| 21:30.55 | Nyle | lekvar: so no, its not hot at all. |
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| 21:30.56 | pipeline | rhododendron: Is it an improvement over the other driver? |
| 21:31.03 | Nyle | lekvar: and just air cooling. massive hsf though |
| 21:31.04 | valdyn | abrotman: it just doesnt compile .. kernels for instance |
| 21:31.08 | rhododendron | pipeline: it seems not to be slower |
| 21:31.10 | lekvar | Maybe i'll try oc'ing my shuttle. the thing's got ducted pushpull fans around the cpu heatsink... |
| 21:31.19 | abrotman | valdyn: who needs those? debian makes them for us! |
| 21:31.20 | lekvar | Nyle: not passive though? |
| 21:31.25 | Nyle | lekvar: I also am in ##hardware if you want to discuss hw |
| 21:31.35 | pipeline | rhododendron: how's that for nasty: unaccelerated driver is less unpleasant than the accelerated one :( |
| 21:31.36 | lekvar | Nyle: I will, in a bit |
| 21:31.43 | Nyle | lekvar: it is considered ot her |
| 21:31.47 | Nyle | :) |
| 21:32.09 | frankr | pipeline, ah it is /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 |
| 21:32.11 | pipeline | lekvar: the "alternatives" system. |
| 21:32.22 | pipeline | frankr: so try a binary with -L and that path |
| 21:32.28 | pipeline | frankr: I think that will add it to the linker's attempted path |
| 21:33.00 | semprix | pipeline, whats can be done here? |
| 21:33.10 | lekvar | pipeline: I figured though wasn't sure if I'd want to re-alternativeize other things besides just the compiler for it to work properly, and guessed maybe it didnt make itself default for some good reason |
| 21:33.11 | rhododendron | pipeline: there seems to be no obvious difference... |
| 21:33.15 | frankr | pipeline, gcc -L/emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib test.c? |
| 21:33.21 | Nyle | pipeline: did you get my message? |
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| 21:33.32 | rhododendron | pipeline: is there a way to benchmark this? |
| 21:33.54 | afaict | I installed debian into my 16gb pendrive using the cryptoFS. I would like to know if there is a solution based on knoppix to throw into memory the basic /bin /usr/bin and /usr/lib ? |
| 21:33.58 | lekvar | now i'm curious how various filesystems might affect build times. it's weird using xfs and hearing the delayed commits. kind of old fashioned... |
| 21:34.00 | pipeline | rhododendron: not a meaningful one |
| 21:34.05 | frankr | pipeline, returns /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libc.so when searching for -lc |
| 21:34.19 | pipeline | frankr: Ugh. Ugly. |
| 21:34.28 | frankr | pipeline, ugly? why |
| 21:34.40 | rhododendron | can i optimize something by (re)configuring my kernel? |
| 21:34.44 | pipeline | frankr: it doesn't make very much sense, that's why. |
| 21:34.47 | pipeline | rhododendron: No. |
| 21:34.57 | rhododendron | :( |
| 21:34.58 | pipeline | rhododendron: You're at the end of the line. |
| 21:34.59 | Nyle | optimize? use gentoo then |
| 21:35.10 | Nyle | they can optimize anything can't they? |
| 21:35.10 | rhododendron | Nyle: me? |
| 21:35.13 | Nyle | yeh sure you |
| 21:35.21 | Nyle | lets all compile everything from source |
| 21:35.25 | Nyle | so we can optimize it |
| 21:35.49 | frankr | pipeline, was the command I ran correct? |
| 21:35.56 | Nyle | rhododendron: just makin fun of gentoo nm |
| 21:35.57 | Nyle | :) |
| 21:36.22 | rhododendron | Nyle: :) |
| 21:37.12 | afaict | o.O |
| 21:37.14 | afaict | I installed debian into my 16gb pendrive using the cryptoFS. I would like to know if there is a solution based on knoppix to throw into memory the basic /bin /usr/bin and /usr/lib ? |
| 21:37.39 | peter_ | afaict, where did you buy 16gb pendrive ;0 |
| 21:37.43 | rhododendron | i tried the driver from http://www.winischhofer.eu/linuxsispart1.shtml#introduction but it didn't work |
| 21:38.22 | D0ug | Would I be able to boot Windows Vista using grub? |
| 21:38.36 | Nyle | D0ug: dunno. Try to ask in ##windows |
| 21:38.39 | abrotman | you hsould be able to |
| 21:38.41 | afaict | peter_: ebay |
| 21:38.46 | Nyle | D0ug: or check google for dualbooting vista/linux |
| 21:38.58 | Nyle | D0ug: it should be able to, so long as you chainload |
| 21:38.59 | pipeline | frankr: ? |
| 21:39.10 | D0ug | Oh yeah... |
| 21:39.13 | pipeline | D0ug: You can boot anything using grub. |
| 21:39.14 | frankr | pipeline, gcc -L/emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib test.c? |
| 21:39.27 | D0ug | Okay |
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| 21:39.29 | Nyle | pipeline: grub can boot iso files directly? |
| 21:39.31 | pipeline | frankr: well, you're on a 64 bit host, so unless you specify otherwise, it's going to build 64 bit binaries. |
| 21:39.37 | D0ug | Can anyone answer my previous question? |
| 21:39.41 | ruben | Hello, using iptables, rules like 192.168.0.1-192.168.0.2 is the same as 192.168.0.1,192.168.0.2 ? what does mean '-' ? |
| 21:39.42 | pipeline | frankr: NOW the error makes sense. Can't link the 32 bit libc to your 64 bit a.out |
| 21:39.42 | afaict | peter_: i used reiserfs in my pendrive... i shouldn't used this FS. its not so quickly as it should be. |
| 21:39.45 | D0ug | How do you set up pppoe using the netinst? |
| 21:39.49 | tarzeau | D0ug: yes |
| 21:39.56 | abrotman | !ig |
| 21:39.56 | solitude | [22:38:51] <pipeline> D0ug: You can boot anything using grub. |
| 21:39.56 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 21:39.57 | afaict | peter_: i should use ext2 |
| 21:40.00 | Nyle | tarzeau: my main man dude homie bro |
| 21:40.00 | pipeline | afaict: that, and it's totally obsolete :P |
| 21:40.02 | solitude | assuming grub works on your system ;) |
| 21:40.13 | frankr | pipeline, so I do gcc -m32 -L/emul/ia32-linux/usr/bin ? |
| 21:40.14 | afaict | pipeline: what is obsolete? |
| 21:40.15 | Nyle | grub can't boot everything |
| 21:40.19 | pipeline | afaict: ReiserFS. |
| 21:40.23 | solitude | its pretty good though. |
| 21:40.24 | tarzeau | Nyle: what can it not boot? |
| 21:40.26 | abrotman | frankr: did you try installing the ia32-libs ? |
| 21:40.29 | peter_ | afaict, sorr, but I dont know anything about linux file system |
| 21:40.42 | solitude | tarzeau, obscure old hardware causes some weird low level conflict |
| 21:40.44 | afaict | pipeline: what u suggest? |
| 21:40.45 | Nyle | when grub can boot downloaded bootable iso files then it will be truely able to boto everything. AFAIK, it can't boot that |
| 21:40.50 | tarzeau | Nyle: i've booted openstep with the grub. and Hurd |
| 21:40.50 | themill | Doug: http://apcstart.com/node/5162/ |
| 21:40.51 | pipeline | afaict: ext3 is never a bad choice |
| 21:40.52 | frankr | abrotman, went through that forever ago, could never get ia32-libs to install, ended up just fooling the system into thinking it was installed and puttin a chroot there and installing the packages manually |
| 21:40.59 | tarzeau | Nyle: hehe :) |
| 21:41.08 | tarzeau | Nyle: go ask #grub for it, or make a patch yourself |
| 21:41.10 | pipeline | tarzeau: isn't that betraying your gnustep roots? |
| 21:41.16 | solitude | wel, for that, itllneed to mount the iso as a drive. |
| 21:41.18 | tarzeau | solitude: that's an obscure hardware probleM? |
| 21:41.19 | abrotman | frankr: oh .. that's useful |
| 21:41.20 | valdyn | frankr: so you're actually not doig this on debian but your own custom chroot |
| 21:41.25 | solitude | tarzeau? |
| 21:41.30 | afaict | pipeline: but reiserfs has a better benchmark then ext3 |
| 21:41.32 | frankr | valdyn, no, this is on debian o_O |
| 21:41.35 | solitude | No, it didnt work on my old dell |
| 21:41.35 | abrotman | afaict: lies |
| 21:41.42 | solitude | in fact ... 2 old dells |
| 21:41.44 | afaict | abrotman: me ? why? |
| 21:41.44 | frankr | valdyn, the chroot isa 32-bit debian chroot |
| 21:41.47 | valdyn | frankr: it isnt, you just said that |
| 21:41.49 | solitude | one desktop, 1 laptop. |
| 21:41.53 | pipeline | afaict: Doesn't matter, really. The guy who wrote it is in jail for murder, his business is kaput. No maintainers. |
| 21:41.57 | tarzeau | pipeline: it's about the same thing. one is free software, the other is not |
| 21:42.02 | valdyn | frankr: duh, its a chroot, not debians /emul stuff |
| 21:42.05 | tarzeau | solitude: 23:40 < solitude> tarzeau, obscure old hardware causes some weird low level conflict |
| 21:42.05 | pipeline | tarzeau: I thought that was all the difference to you :) |
| 21:42.13 | afaict | pipeline: i saw... o.O |
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| 21:42.24 | afaict | pipeline: i saw the news... o.O |
| 21:42.24 | frankr | valdyn, yeah in /emul/ia32-linux there is a 32-bit chroot sintead of just 32-bit libs. I knew it was gonna screw shit up but ia32-libs just refused to install |
| 21:42.29 | valdyn | frankr: unsupportable in that configuration. |
| 21:42.50 | afaict | pipeline: u suggest me to use ext3? i would like to use zfs... :( |
| 21:42.57 | pipeline | afaict: then install solaris :P |
| 21:42.59 | tarzeau | pipeline: well openstep is dead. and gnustep alive, although http://gnustep.istheshit.net/ |
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| 21:43.19 | solitude | [22:41:43] <tarzeau> solitude: 23:40 < solitude> tarzeau, obscure old hardware causes some weird low level conflict | Yes, |
| 21:43.20 | tarzeau | afaict: gnu/kfreebsd is more likely to get zfs |
| 21:43.27 | solitude | As in, grub itself fails to load. |
| 21:43.29 | afaict | pipeline: i tried belenix today... but i got an error in X... my cpu does not support belenix... i didn't try to fix the X config |
| 21:43.52 | afaict | tarzeau: i dont like *bsd. i prefer debian linux! :D |
| 21:44.15 | tarzeau | afaict: this is debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 21:44.19 | tarzeau | afaict: with apt-get and dpkg! |
| 21:44.21 | frankr | valdyn, why is that? |
| 21:44.28 | solitude | tarzeau, wtf? O_O |
| 21:44.29 | tarzeau | afaict: #gnu-kbsd please check the FAQ in the /topic |
| 21:44.30 | solitude | fbsd wit apt? |
| 21:44.32 | valdyn | btrfs should do what zfs does, just in a year or two or three =/ |
| 21:44.38 | tarzeau | solitude: sure! since YEARS! |
| 21:44.39 | solitude | the best thing about fbsd is ports :S |
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| 21:44.40 | afaict | tarzeau ok! thanks! |
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| 21:44.44 | peter_ | My debian from time to time stops playing sound from youtube.com, what can it be ? |
| 21:44.45 | tarzeau | solitude: yuck |
| 21:44.51 | valdyn | frankr: silly... its not debian, its your mess, we cant debug your mess there |
| 21:45.12 | tarzeau | solitude: gmake, gcd .. this is like re-tar-d-ed |
| 21:45.14 | solitude | "debian gnu/kfreebsd - we lost the leet package management" |
| 21:45.21 | solitude | make install clean! |
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| 21:45.25 | locutus266 | Does anybody know a command-line tool that displays acpi stuff like temperature and fan RPM? |
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| 21:45.33 | abrotman | cat |
| 21:45.37 | locutus266 | lol |
| 21:45.40 | solitude | tarzeau, i love freebsd : |
| 21:45.41 | solitude | :) |
| 21:45.44 | alexou | hello, how to install vmware on debian sid ? |
| 21:45.45 | tarzeau | solitude: i love apt-get |
| 21:45.48 | locutus266 | And which device to cat? |
| 21:45.52 | valdyn | locutus266: the 'acpi' command |
| 21:45.53 | abrotman | alexou: ask #vmware |
| 21:45.56 | tarzeau | alexou: ask vmware.com ? |
| 21:45.58 | afaict | tarzeau: it seens not so stable ... kbsd |
| 21:46.02 | abrotman | locutus266: poke around in /proc/acpi/ |
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| 21:46.06 | tarzeau | afaict: says who? it's rock solid |
| 21:46.17 | abrotman | no bias there :) |
| 21:46.36 | afaict | tarzeau: o.O i mean.. there is a lot of packages for it ? |
| 21:46.44 | tarzeau | afaict: about 80 % of sid |
| 21:46.51 | tarzeau | afaict: and there's x86 and amd64 version! |
| 21:47.01 | afaict | tarzeau: o.O |
| 21:47.19 | pipeline | alexou: Install build-essential and linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 21:47.25 | pipeline | alexou: then follow the instructions in the vmware documentation |
| 21:47.29 | pipeline | alexou: very straightforward, really |
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| 21:47.45 | pipeline | tarzeau: that's a lot of progress from where I remember it being :X |
| 21:47.53 | pipeline | tarzeau: I guess kfreebsd really was the better approach |
| 21:47.54 | alexou | thanks pipeline, i try it |
| 21:48.03 | tarzeau | pipeline: than the one with the bsd c library? |
| 21:48.11 | afaict | tarzeau: danke! |
| 21:48.13 | tarzeau | pipeline: definitely better for a lot of software, yes |
| 21:48.28 | StR | Hey i have to pcs connected it with Linux. but it only says i can write on it how can i passed files thourght them? |
| 21:48.45 | Nyle | tarzeau: what do you mean go ask grub :) |
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| 21:48.57 | tarzeau | Nyle: for the iso boot support. i'd like it too |
| 21:49.00 | adamt | Hi. I plugged in an usb-stick, and i shows up when with "lsusb", but it doesn't appear in /dev/ (unless it's not longer called sd-something), but it appears in /dev/bus/usb/002/004 as "character special (189/131)" when throwing "file" after it. Any ideas? |
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| 21:49.03 | Nyle | tarzeau: i would love to be able to boot just downloaded iso :D |
| 21:49.06 | locutus266 | Thermal 1: ok, 4294967296.0 degrees C |
| 21:49.06 | pipeline | tarzeau: I don't remember its name either :) |
| 21:49.08 | locutus266 | What!? |
| 21:49.10 | Nyle | tarzeau: lets go bug em :D or patch it ourselves! |
| 21:49.11 | tarzeau | Nyle: many people would. write it? |
| 21:49.20 | afaict | tarzeau: so i can use zfs using this distro ? i will try! nice! i never heard of it |
| 21:49.24 | Nyle | tarzeau: you're talking to a stoner hehe |
| 21:49.26 | namit|home | trying to format a 160gb hard disk into to 80's but parted is not working very well. i do mkpart start 0 -> 80GB and then do it again 81GB -> 160GB |
| 21:49.28 | tarzeau | afaict: #gnu-kbsd :) |
| 21:49.29 | pipeline | afaict: well, not really. |
| 21:49.34 | pipeline | afaict: FreeBSD ZFS is terrible :X |
| 21:49.37 | StR | Hey i have to pcs connected it with Linux. but it only says i can write on it how can i passed files thourght them? |
| 21:49.43 | tarzeau | Nyle: i know, i always /whois people who act strangely |
| 21:49.47 | afaict | pipeline: what u mean terrible ? o.O |
| 21:49.47 | StR | i can see the files but i can only writte to them |
| 21:49.54 | Guiwald | ++ |
| 21:49.55 | pipeline | StR: You're not getting an answer because your english is incomprehensible. |
| 21:49.59 | Nyle | tarzeau: but my point was, just this... grub can't boot everything. |
| 21:50.04 | pipeline | afaict: incomplete, inferior, sub-par. |
| 21:50.33 | Nyle | tarzeau: ey! /me isn't strange |
| 21:50.33 | tarzeau | Nyle: more than any other bootloader i've seen |
| 21:50.33 | afaict | pipeline: but benchmark shows the oposite. =/ |
| 21:50.33 | tarzeau | Nyle: o rly? 23:40 < Nyle> tarzeau: my main man dude homie bro |
| 21:50.33 | Nyle | tarzeau: i fully agree |
| 21:50.33 | afaict | pipeline: inferior to ? |
| 21:50.34 | jubeii | im trying to apt-get upgrade but im getting error that my gcc-4.2-base is not configured yet, how do i do that? |
| 21:50.34 | Nyle | tarzeau: hey but you are ! |
| 21:50.42 | pipeline | afaict: inferior to Solaris ZFS, the original implementation. |
| 21:50.53 | Nyle | tarzeau: if it weren't for you, I'd still be goin on about smc |
| 21:51.04 | abrotman | there is a #zfs IIRC |
| 21:51.06 | Nyle | tarzeau: thankfully i got over it |
| 21:51.14 | afaict | pipeline: u mean the zfs of kbsd is not so good then ZFS of Solaris ? |
| 21:51.18 | tarzeau | Nyle: great. need more software to be packaged? there's so much |
| 21:51.18 | pipeline | afaict: yes |
| 21:51.29 | afaict | pipeline: uhm... bad news. |
| 21:51.35 | Nyle | tarzeau: some bubble game ? :D |
| 21:51.42 | pipeline | afaict: I'm sure it will get better some day |
| 21:51.59 | namit|home | trying to format a 160gb hard disk into to 80's but parted is not working very well. |
| 21:52.00 | tarzeau | Nyle: i'm really busy. another time or ask those in #bub-n-bros |
| 21:52.12 | jubeii | can anyone help me with that error |
| 21:52.12 | tarzeau | Nyle: i'll setup 4 servers with each 100 different levels for bub-n-bros though |
| 21:52.24 | Nyle | tarzeau: no i mean you want me to package that game? |
| 21:52.28 | afaict | pipeline: fbsd has support to ZFS. is it the same of kbsd? |
| 21:52.35 | valdyn | namit|home: you dont understand what 'formatting' means, do you |
| 21:52.42 | StR | hey i have to pcs with Linux, i can see the pcs, files but i can't move nothing from one pc to another any ideas? |
| 21:52.44 | tarzeau | Nyle: ahh, for example, yeah why not :) |
| 21:52.46 | valdyn | namit|home: use cfdisk or fdisk, those can partition too |
| 21:52.58 | namit|home | valdyn: k will try them |
| 21:53.29 | StR | hey i have to pcs with Linux, i can see the pcs, files but i can't move nothing from one pc to another any ideas? |
| 21:53.33 | afaict | pipeline: thanks |
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| 21:54.16 | peter_ | My debian from time to time stops playing sound from youtube.com, what can it be ? |
| 21:54.18 | adamt | StR: Spamming the channel wont get you an answer, and your non-understandable english doesn't help very much. Could you at least try rephrasing it? |
| 21:54.21 | jubeii | how do i configure gcc-4.2-base, what do i need to do |
| 21:54.25 | abrotman | peter_: flash sucks |
| 21:54.38 | Nyle | tarzeau: what are you doing? |
| 21:54.43 | adamt | abrotman: Great answer.. |
| 21:54.50 | StR | adamt, spamming? |
| 21:54.51 | StR | wtf/ |
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| 21:54.52 | abrotman | it's the honest answer |
| 21:54.53 | peter_ | abrotman, yes? ;/ why? |
| 21:55.07 | abrotman | peter_: likely something else is using /dev/mixer and alsa can't get at it |
| 21:55.20 | abrotman | or another browser/flash app is |
| 21:55.20 | rhododendron | jubeii: remove it. upgrade. install it? |
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| 21:55.30 | jubeii | hmm |
| 21:55.32 | peter_ | abrotman, ah, I am using XMMS right now, you think that is the reason ? |
| 21:55.39 | abrotman | peter_: stop XMMS and find out |
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| 21:55.51 | Nyle | StR: you have to setup file sharing of some sort. network file system |
| 21:55.57 | adamt | peter_: You might be interested in setting up dmix if that's the case. |
| 21:56.01 | StR | Nyle, how? |
| 21:56.04 | Nyle | StR: you can copy/transwer files with scp |
| 21:56.09 | tarzeau | Nyle: packaging my wnpp bugs? |
| 21:56.18 | jubeii | i just installed debian, and did an apt-update, then apt-upgrade and it tells me that, you think removing gcc-4.2-base and reinstalling it will work? |
| 21:56.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you fix pixie yet? |
| 21:56.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: pixie is in. apt-get install pixie |
| 21:56.34 | valdyn | jubeii: why are you not using debian/stable aka etch ? |
| 21:56.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: not to lenny yet |
| 21:56.41 | jubeii | i thought i was |
| 21:56.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: i got etch backports... lenny is also simple, just take the src package, build, done |
| 21:57.00 | jubeii | valdyn: i chose to install debian stable |
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| 21:57.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: i know how .. i was just asking |
| 21:57.09 | Nyle | tarzeau: oh, carry on sir. |
| 21:57.28 | Nyle | stable is awesome |
| 21:57.30 | valdyn | jubeii: just remove that gcc-4.2 stuff, not needed, i wonder you you got it |
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| 21:57.35 | Nyle | etch is by far the best debian so far |
| 21:57.40 | Nyle | great great just great |
| 21:57.45 | valdyn | !info gcc-4.2-base etch |
| 21:57.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: if you make just one little package i'll give you the pony i kid you not: http://asdfasdf.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ |
| 21:57.54 | jubeii | valdyn: hmm i dont need it to use make command? |
| 21:57.58 | Nyle | and amd64 even more so |
| 21:58.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: surrounded by hearts! |
| 21:58.04 | valdyn | 23:57 <dpkg> Package 'gcc-4.2-base' does not exist. |
| 21:58.09 | valdyn | jubeii: right |
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| 21:59.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: you don't have a pony .. you live in austria |
| 21:59.29 | jubeii | valdyn: ok i will try and remove it |
| 21:59.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://asdfasdf.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/littlepony.gif |
| 21:59.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'd also have to find a sponsor |
| 21:59.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: switzerland. man not austria! |
| 21:59.52 | abrotman | oh yeah .. sorry |
| 21:59.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: i find you one! make the package? |
| 22:00.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm sure i could find one :) |
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| 22:00.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: no doubts, damog? |
| 22:00.28 | abrotman | there's one |
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| 22:00.40 | peter_ | abrotman, flash sux :) |
| 22:00.46 | abrotman | peter_: did that take care of it ? |
| 22:00.50 | peter_ | abrotman, yes :) |
| 22:00.55 | abrotman | peter_: look at using dmix |
| 22:01.00 | peter_ | mhm |
| 22:01.04 | abrotman | !dmix |
| 22:01.04 | dpkg | from memory, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 22:07.14 | dererk | Did anyone before deal with Crypto API? |
| 22:07.14 | akos | How could I generate the md5sums of all files and subfolders inside a folder, and then verify it after copying a file? tarring the whole thing wont work, total size is about 25GB, I don't have that much space left |
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| 22:07.33 | dererk | akos, md5sum / md5sum -c |
| 22:07.46 | akos | will that generate for ALL files? |
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| 22:08.23 | akos | dererk, i need it to do it recursively |
| 22:08.39 | abrotman | find . -exec md5sum {}\; .. or something like that .. man find |
| 22:08.41 | dererk | md5sum * or md5sum + find |
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| 22:11.05 | pettern | anyone with xfce who can check if ctrl+esc activates the popup-menu? it is suppose to do it but it doesnt work here. |
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| 22:11.20 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:12.09 | abrotman | !archive |
| 22:12.10 | dpkg | somebody said archive was a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
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| 22:12.49 | Azar | thanks abrotman |
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| 22:14.20 | NetGangsta | how can I remove a folder with a space lime Alien Nation ? |
| 22:14.24 | NetGangsta | rm -rf Alien Nation |
| 22:14.26 | NetGangsta | dont work |
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| 22:14.30 | abrotman | quotes |
| 22:14.58 | mavhc | or a \ |
| 22:15.39 | Azar | meh how will the sources get to woody repos? |
| 22:15.45 | NetGangsta | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:16.00 | Azar | just put "woody" on sources? |
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| 22:16.52 | abrotman | why are you installing woody ?> |
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| 22:17.31 | NetGangsta | abrotman whats is quotes ? |
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| 22:17.37 | abrotman | " ' |
| 22:17.47 | abrotman | you know .. quotes .. |
| 22:17.52 | rhododendron | can i - in general - optimize my kernel to run my pc faster? is there a good tutorial available? |
| 22:18.38 | Azar | abrotman: because I want to give a shot to hurd |
| 22:18.48 | valdyn | rhododendron: if you have to ask, YOU defenitely cant. |
| 22:18.50 | abrotman | what does woody have to do with hurd ? |
| 22:18.57 | Azar | debian-hurd |
| 22:19.07 | valdyn | rhododendron: and for someone who can, the small benefit is not worth it |
| 22:19.34 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-cd |
| 22:19.48 | valdyn | rhododendron: just install the debian kernel that suits your actual cpu best |
| 22:20.05 | NetGangsta | abrotman |
| 22:20.09 | abrotman | NetGangsta: |
| 22:20.10 | NetGangsta | rm -rf Alien" 'Nation ? |
| 22:20.14 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 22:20.26 | abrotman | rm -rf "stupid space" |
| 22:20.33 | valdyn | NetGangsta: are you trying to be funny? |
| 22:20.42 | rhododendron | valdyn: thanks anyway. |
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| 22:21.18 | NetGangsta | valdyn no. |
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| 22:21.53 | NetGangsta | nothing work |
| 22:22.13 | valdyn | !qotd |
| 22:22.13 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 22:22.42 | valdyn | !literal qotd0 |
| 22:22.42 | dpkg | "qotd0" is "<reply> see qotd(|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18)(0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)" |
| 22:23.19 | valdyn | NetGangsta: tell us exactly which error you are getting |
| 22:24.00 | NetGangsta | I dont get error but the folder dont remove |
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| 22:24.12 | abrotman | and the error is ? |
| 22:24.31 | NetGangsta | I need to remove this folder heh |
| 22:24.35 | abrotman | NetGangsta: paste the output of ls somewhere |
| 22:25.28 | NetGangsta | ls |
| 22:25.28 | NetGangsta | Alien Nation |
| 22:25.52 | valdyn | rm doesnt fail without error |
| 22:26.04 | abrotman | ls -l . |
| 22:26.10 | valdyn | NetGangsta: which command did not remove that and not produce an error? |
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| 22:28.32 | NetGangsta | drwxr-xr-x 2 home home 4096 jui 16 06:14 Alien Nation |
| 22:28.52 | abrotman | rm -r "Alien Nation" |
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| 22:28.58 | abrotman | if that doesn't work .. we need to see an error |
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| 22:29.40 | NetGangsta | rm -r "Alien Nation" work |
| 22:29.41 | NetGangsta | :) |
| 22:30.07 | karsten | abrotman: Only one? |
| 22:30.19 | NetGangsta | now can I create a folder named FILMS 5 when I dot it with mkdir I get only "FILMS" |
| 22:30.28 | abrotman | QUOTES |
| 22:30.35 | Nyle | put it in quotes |
| 22:30.39 | abrotman | or use an underscore like a sane person |
| 22:30.40 | Nyle | or use \ to escape |
| 22:30.54 | Nyle | mkdir "FILM 5" |
| 22:31.06 | karsten | NetGangsta: You have to escape whitespace in file names within your shell. Better: don't use whitespace in filenames, it's a pain in the ass. |
| 22:31.25 | karsten | NetGangsta: mkdir FILMS_5 or FILMS-5 or FILMS.5 |
| 22:31.29 | Nyle | hey karsten my main man |
| 22:31.31 | karsten | NetGangsta: ... much better IMO. |
| 22:31.34 | Nyle | whats going on |
| 22:31.48 | karsten | Nyle: Wild, orgastic sex, if you have to ask. |
| 22:31.50 | cafuego | films_5 you mean, capitals should die, they cause extra keypresses. |
| 22:31.56 | Nyle | NetGangsta: yeh thats a good idea. use _ if you can |
| 22:31.57 | karsten | cafuego: Yeah, yeah. |
| 22:31.58 | Nyle | it is great |
| 22:32.06 | Nyle | cafuego: also tue |
| 22:32.09 | karsten | cafuego: I HEAR YOU, MAN. |
| 22:32.14 | cafuego | arrrgh |
| 22:32.17 | Nyle | karsten: lol |
| 22:32.21 | NetGangsta | Thanks guys |
| 22:32.26 | Nyle | cafuego: now suffer the all caps! |
| 22:32.31 | Nyle | haha |
| 22:32.43 | cafuego | don't make me come over there and backspace you! |
| 22:32.53 | Nyle | :( |
| 22:32.55 | Nyle | brazil is wining |
| 22:32.57 | Nyle | ! |
| 22:33.03 | Nyle | anyone watching the game? |
| 22:33.28 | tarzeau | can anyone have kde, gnome and xfce4 installed concurrently on etch? |
| 22:33.40 | Nyle | tarzeau: I do! |
| 22:33.43 | karsten | tarzeau: Sure. |
| 22:33.51 | cafuego | !anyone |
| 22:33.51 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:34.00 | tarzeau | there was a dependency conflict last time i tried |
| 22:34.05 | Nyle | tarzeau: you can chose which one to start with startx using update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 22:34.12 | Nyle | tarzeau: not in etch afaik |
| 22:34.17 | karsten | tarzeau: What release? Testing/unstable? |
| 22:34.20 | tarzeau | when i say install xfce4 i get: The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 22:34.21 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.24 | Nyle | tarzeau: I've got all 3 installed, though I don't anything but kde |
| 22:34.25 | tarzeau | karsten: etch is what i said? |
| 22:34.31 | karsten | tarzeau: Ah. |
| 22:34.33 | Nyle | tarzeau: i dunno about the dev packages |
| 22:34.34 | tarzeau | Nyle: on etch? are you sure? |
| 22:34.36 | enouf | hrm .. organic sex .. as opposed to er.. steely-bot-sex? ;-) |
| 22:34.40 | Nyle | tarzeau: yes I am on etch |
| 22:34.49 | cafuego | good tos ee xfce is sensibl |
| 22:34.50 | Nyle | tarzeau: and I've got gnome-core kde-core xfce4 installed |
| 22:35.13 | karsten | Nyle: Back to other activities.... |
| 22:35.56 | zrin | I have a LV /dev/vg/swap which I can't remove - "device busy"; I've turned off swap, removed it from fstab, zeroed the whole LV, rebooted the system, but "lvremove" and "dmsetup remove" still say it's busy?!? What shall I try next? fuser revealed nothing... |
| 22:36.03 | zrin | is there a way to see _what_ is using a device |
| 22:36.16 | Nyle | karsten: the wild orgastic naughtiness? :) |
| 22:36.33 | enouf | zrin: as root lsof | grep /dev perhaps |
| 22:37.03 | Nyle | enouf: hi |
| 22:37.08 | Nyle | haven't seen you in a while here buddy |
| 22:37.32 | Nyle | enouf: orgastic, not organic :) |
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| 22:37.48 | enouf | Nyle: mix and match .. it works ;-) |
| 22:37.52 | Nyle | hehe |
| 22:38.00 | zrin | enouf: thank you I'll try that ... have to install lsof |
| 22:38.08 | Nyle | enouf: what you been upto man? |
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| 22:38.24 | enouf | Nyle: nothing much .. here and there, working hard as usual |
| 22:38.38 | Nyle | cool man |
| 22:38.48 | Nyle | enouf: I also am working a lot, but not hard |
| 22:39.00 | enouf | Nyle: that works ;-) |
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| 22:39.01 | Nyle | instead of working hard, I hardly work :) |
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| 22:42.00 | Nyle | man brazil is kicking ass! |
| 22:42.02 | enouf | !qotd 99 |
| 22:42.08 | Nyle | argentina aint got nothing on brazil |
| 22:42.11 | Nyle | 3-0 |
| 22:42.13 | enouf | !qotd |
| 22:42.13 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 22:42.58 | stopher | !qutd0 |
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| 22:43.05 | themill | Does svn-buildpackage play nicely with a cowdancer pbuilder? The man page for svn-b says that it might not, but that sounds like a strange flaw to have. |
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| 22:43.09 | stopher | !qotd0 |
| 22:43.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd78 is <BiZARRE> why cant I type my password when I try to login? <Phated> BiZARRE: Your password isn't echoed to the console. <BiZARRE> what? <BiZARRE> well, how do I type in the password? <Seb> BiZARRE: you hit the keys one by one <BiZARRE> nothing happens when I hit the keys <paulswm> UNtil you hit 'enter' <BiZARRE> the only key working is enter <BiZARRE> ok |
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| 22:43.33 | enouf | !qotd99 |
| 22:43.33 | dpkg | qotd99 is, like, <t-jack> I have a 17-inch dysfunctional $Piece_Of_Hardware... |
| 22:43.46 | stopher | haha |
| 22:44.07 | Nyle | enouf: bored much? |
| 22:44.28 | enouf | ofcourse you hippy freak-a-zoid :-p |
| 22:44.46 | stoned | lol |
| 22:44.47 | stoned | hey man |
| 22:44.53 | stoned | ey! :/ |
| 22:45.01 | enouf | how's the music bus doing for ya? |
| 22:45.10 | stoned | great man just great |
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| 22:45.24 | enouf | excellent-tey |
| 22:45.28 | stoned | this guy in canada has a studio. He heard me play and wants to help me record |
| 22:45.30 | stoned | for free |
| 22:45.40 | enouf | nice one |
| 22:45.45 | stoned | he thinks my music is good and he can help me make money with it. but he is too far away |
| 22:46.02 | stoned | enouf: my guitar playing is about twice what it was last year |
| 22:46.05 | rhododendron | pipeline: what about the sisfb driver? |
| 22:46.08 | enouf | internet collaboration - make it happen |
| 22:46.08 | stoned | like every year i get exponentially better |
| 22:46.40 | enouf | stoned: dood, you yngwie my yingyang O.o |
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| 22:50.55 | Azar | abrotman, will be a big deal if I partition with ext2 for woody? |
| 22:51.30 | abrotman | do you have another optiohn? |
| 22:51.42 | Azar | yes ext3 |
| 22:51.55 | abrotman | you'd be smart to use ext3 |
| 22:52.01 | Azar | ok thanks |
| 22:52.07 | abrotman | you'd be smarter to not use woody and just use the hurd install CD |
| 22:52.48 | Azar | abrotman: I don't have it yet, is sunday... |
| 22:52.53 | Azar | will order it tomorrow |
| 22:53.14 | abrotman | download it ? |
| 22:53.22 | Azar | did but can't burn it |
| 22:53.36 | pipeline | rhododendron: fb drivers are always awful |
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| 22:53.42 | solemnwarning | If I create an LVM snapshot of an ext3 filesystem does LVM make sure the filesystem is in a sane state before creating the snapshot or could it create a filesystem half-way through a write/ect? |
| 22:53.45 | Azar | http://paste.debian.net/32823 |
| 22:54.34 | anapivirtua_ | Bonsoir / Good evening world / Mooh. |
| 22:54.41 | rhododendron | pipeline: do/did you have a sis 650 ? |
| 22:55.14 | stopher | is apache & apache2 the same service? can i remove apache |
| 22:55.35 | pipeline | rhododendron: perhaps long ago |
| 22:55.41 | pipeline | stopher: apache is apache 1 |
| 22:55.45 | pipeline | stopher: apache2 is apache 2.0 or 2.2 |
| 22:55.58 | stopher | pipeline: so i can remove apache1 |
| 22:56.31 | stoned | Azar: :) |
| 22:56.39 | stoned | Azar: 5 minutes to go home |
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| 22:58.11 | Azar | stoned: hehe |
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| 22:59.00 | stoned | ok |
| 22:59.01 | stoned | im leaving |
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| 23:02.58 | solemnwarning | Is dump a better program then rsync for storing incremental backups on a remote host? |
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| 23:04.03 | grilled-cheese | I'm trying to setup apache2 to log via syslog-ng and get php-syslog-ng working too, now I cannot start apache2 anymore? The only information I can seem to get is the init script saying apache2 failed! |
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| 23:05.44 | grilled-cheese | I've tried switching ErrorLog in apache2.conf from syslog to /tmp/fixapache.log, but the init script won't even create the file |
| 23:08.21 | subopt | What's the safest (most Debian-esque) way to rebuild my kernel to support more memory? |
| 23:08.34 | valdyn | subopt: your custom kernel? |
| 23:08.40 | jubeii | now that i remofed gcc-4.2-base i cant apt get anything |
| 23:09.00 | jubeii | *removed |
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| 23:09.26 | subopt | valdyn: No, just the kernel that i accidentally let the automatic update thingie install. It supports NVidia, like i need, but not 2.25 GB of RAM. |
| 23:09.43 | valdyn | subopt: uname -r |
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| 23:10.03 | subopt | valdyn: 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 23:10.32 | valdyn | subopt: that one should support that much ram |
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| 23:11.22 | valdyn | subopt: run: "grep -i highmem /boot/config-$(uname -r)" |
| 23:11.48 | subopt | # CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM is not set |
| 23:11.48 | subopt | CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
| 23:11.48 | subopt | # CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set |
| 23:11.48 | subopt | CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y |
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| 23:13.03 | TrueDD | good night all |
| 23:13.12 | valdyn | subopt: that config tells that your kernel does suport up to near 4G |
| 23:13.39 | subopt | valdyn: any idea what else could be interfering? |
| 23:13.52 | valdyn | subopt: use a paste site next time btw |
| 23:14.11 | subopt | valdyn: so i gather :) |
| 23:14.22 | valdyn | subopt: 'free' tells what about your total memory? |
| 23:15.16 | subopt | valdyn: total = 1296736 |
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| 23:15.57 | valdyn | subopt: that's to much for a kernel that doesnt support all your ram |
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| 23:17.05 | valdyn | subopt: it can still be an error with linux 'finding' your ram. But before assuming that i would try a different OS and verify memory in bios |
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| 23:17.43 | subopt | valdyn: Maybe i should try a live distro. |
| 23:18.22 | valdyn | subopt: yea |
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| 23:18.38 | subopt | valdyn: thanks for the input. |
| 23:18.57 | valdyn | subopt: though any distro that has no highmem4g enabled would find just less than 1G ram |
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| 23:19.37 | subopt | valdyn: That sounds familiar. Thanks. |
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| 23:20.21 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.41 | valdyn | Azar: suspend? |
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| 23:21.14 | valdyn | Azar: isnt it pausing by itself after each step? |
| 23:21.20 | Azar | valdyn: I am in the middle of a debian installation, the apt sources don't work from that disk I need to "hold" the installation and access the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:21.44 | Azar | there was a trick but darn I forgot |
| 23:21.55 | \amethyst | Azar: ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 23:22.01 | Azar | thanks |
| 23:22.05 | valdyn | Azar: for all i know you can just let it fail, then jump to a different virtual console, edit sources.list, then select the whatever point in the installer |
| 23:22.45 | solemnwarning | What's the S+ process status? |
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| 23:23.41 | \amethyst | solemnwarning: S is waiting for something to happen, + means it's in the foreground on its tty |
| 23:24.05 | \amethyst | solemnwarning: look for "PROCESS STATE CODES" in `man ps` |
| 23:24.14 | solemnwarning | thanks |
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| 23:26.31 | Hilaus | how can I specify the header From: in the command "mail" ? |
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| 23:27.41 | \amethyst | Hilaus: -a 'From: God <yhwh@heaven.org>' |
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| 23:28.31 | AmigoLu | Brasil America's Cup Champion |
| 23:28.37 | sayers | How far along is testing? I like to have the latest semi-stable software. I use amd64 |
| 23:29.03 | Azar | valdyn: my deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/main woody << does not work... how should I configure sources? |
| 23:29.16 | \amethyst | woody???? |
| 23:29.25 | sayers | \amethyst, that's what I was thinking :p |
| 23:29.37 | sayers | Azar, maybe it's time to upgrade? |
| 23:30.01 | Azar | how can I configure my sources to get packages from woody archive? |
| 23:30.02 | valdyn | Azar: woody is archived |
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| 23:30.06 | valdyn | !archive |
| 23:30.06 | dpkg | somebody said archive was a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 23:30.15 | Azar | valdyn: that means I cant get packages on installation? |
| 23:30.24 | solemnwarning | Woody is old |
| 23:30.34 | valdyn | Azar: you can |
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| 23:30.44 | Azar | valdyn: how, please ? :) |
| 23:30.53 | valdyn | Azar: its just not on most mirrors, its also in a different path |
| 23:31.04 | \amethyst | Azar: http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ |
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| 23:31.11 | \amethyst | Azar: that has the source lines you need |
| 23:31.12 | Azar | thanks guys :) |
| 23:31.34 | valdyn | Azar: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ woody main contrib non-free |
| 23:31.35 | \amethyst | Azar: you'll have to say "woody" not "hamm" or "bo", of course :) |
| 23:31.57 | Azar | sure |
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| 23:33.37 | sayers | Azar, why are you on woody perhaps? |
| 23:34.57 | Azar | sayers: sentimental |
| 23:35.08 | Azar | missed it |
| 23:35.47 | Azar | amazing, it also offers to setup iptables.. |
| 23:36.13 | solemnwarning | What's a better backup system, rsync or dump? |
| 23:37.05 | stoned | better is not always better :) |
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| 23:37.50 | solemnwarning | rsync takes ages to backup, StoneNewt claims dump would be faster since it needs no checksumming |
| 23:38.21 | solemnwarning | But dump seems worse then rsync since I would need to make a new full backing regularly |
| 23:38.22 | stoned | who? |
| 23:38.34 | solemnwarning | stoned: StoneNewt (##Hardware) |
| 23:38.42 | stoned | o yeh |
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| 23:39.18 | solemnwarning | rsync spends most of it's CPU time checksumming files I think |
| 23:39.33 | solemnwarning | Would dump be faster even though it needs to do a full backup regularly? |
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| 23:39.57 | solemnwarning | rsync only ever needs one full backup |
| 23:40.03 | \amethyst | solemnwarning: Depends on what you're backing up to |
| 23:40.07 | solemnwarning | (Yay for hard links) |
| 23:40.13 | solemnwarning | A remote server |
| 23:40.18 | solemnwarning | Over 10/100 ethernet |
| 23:40.23 | \amethyst | solemnwarning: which, 10 or 100? |
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| 23:40.29 | solemnwarning | 100 |
| 23:40.31 | \amethyst | solemnwarning: and how much data are you backing up? |
| 23:40.43 | solemnwarning | Depends how much has changed |
| 23:40.51 | \amethyst | not if you're using dump |
| 23:40.57 | solemnwarning | Eventually the server will have a few 100 gig of data on it |
| 23:41.09 | solemnwarning | And rsync would take days to do that I think |
| 23:41.10 | \amethyst | actually |
| 23:41.28 | solemnwarning | I don't think I have enough room for a dump backup staging area actually |
| 23:41.50 | \amethyst | Actually, I guess dump can track things modified since the last dump |
| 23:42.03 | solemnwarning | Yeah |
| 23:42.19 | solemnwarning | But unlike rsync, it stores incremental backups the old-fashioned way |
| 23:42.25 | cafuego | rsync would be afster if you ran it regularly |
| 23:42.33 | solemnwarning | Each incremental backup is a list of changes since the last |
| 23:42.41 | solemnwarning | cafuego: I do run it regularly |
| 23:42.42 | zinx | rsync is faster if you use -t and don't ignore timestamps |
| 23:42.46 | solemnwarning | But checksumming takes ages |
| 23:43.03 | cafuego | solemnwarning: the transfer part is way quicker though |
| 23:43.38 | solemnwarning | I don't think dump would be any good since I would have to make a new full backup regularly |
| 23:45.16 | bzed | backup-manager rocks |
| 23:45.17 | namit|home | how come when i change /etc/motd it converts back to old one every time i reboot |
| 23:45.26 | valdyn | namit|home: that file is generated |
| 23:45.34 | solemnwarning | namit|home: You can disable it in /etc/init.d/bootmisc |
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| 23:45.58 | namit|home | solemnwarning: valdyn generated from? |
| 23:46.05 | valdyn | namit|home: or just edit /etc/motd.tail |
| 23:46.41 | namit|home | valdyn: k next question why is it generated? |
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| 23:47.14 | valdyn | namit|home: think before asking? |
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| 23:47.36 | \amethyst | namit|home: man motd.tail explains why |
| 23:47.50 | no3sc | Could there possibly be anyone here with a Hp pavilion zd8000 laptop? Or rather a zd8368ea to be more precise. |
| 23:48.04 | solemnwarning | Is there any backup method faster then rsync incremental to rsyncd? |
| 23:48.27 | bzed | unison |
| 23:48.31 | valdyn | solemnwarning: are you trying to find something that is faster than rsync WITH checksumming? |
| 23:48.34 | aindilis` | hello, is there a replacement for kibitz in debian? |
| 23:48.38 | solemnwarning | valdyn: Yeah |
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| 23:48.52 | solemnwarning | I don't want to use timestamps, too unreliable |
| 23:49.17 | valdyn | solemnwarning: i really doubt that tridge was sloppy when writing that checksum algorithm |
| 23:49.26 | namit|home | \amethyst: there is no man for motd.tail |
| 23:49.28 | valdyn | or tridgell? whatever.. |
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| 23:49.48 | bzed | solemnwarning: have a look at unison, but I'm not sure about it. what I really like is backup-manager |
| 23:49.58 | daeos | is it normal to get a return (r) error when using man ? i got this error when trying to read the man page of smb.conf /tmp/zmanMI66Dw:444: warning: numeric expression expected (got `r') |
| 23:50.49 | bzed | daeos: you don't want to run it in the same directory where smb.conf is |
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| 23:51.06 | daeos | bzed: hrm... i didn't ha |
| 23:51.34 | \amethyst | daeos: probably errors in the manpage |
| 23:51.34 | bzed | well then |
| 23:51.34 | bzed | no idea :) |
| 23:51.34 | \amethyst | daeos: I see the same things |
| 23:51.34 | \amethyst | daeos: in man smb.conf that is |
| 23:51.34 | daeos | \amethyst: ah ok |
| 23:51.37 | grumo | after installation i get a error 15 from grub, i think i have an idea to why this is but i don't know how to fix, any help? |
| 23:51.51 | daeos | \amethyst: so look on bug page to see if its already been notified? |
| 23:51.53 | solemnwarning | Maybe I should do it "The UNIX way (TM)" |
| 23:52.06 | Azar | valdyn: module-assistant was not in woody? kernel 2.4.18 ? |
| 23:52.23 | valdyn | Azar: doubt it |
| 23:52.38 | Azar | damn so nvidia one-liner dont work |
| 23:53.03 | valdyn | Azar: you're crazy, what the hell are you doing? |
| 23:53.13 | valdyn | !woody |
| 23:53.14 | dpkg | hmm... woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>. |
| 23:53.29 | zinx | Azar: you're trying to use woody? o_O |
| 23:53.38 | valdyn | was there even nvidia drivers in debian back then? |
| 23:53.45 | solitude | woody and sarge were solid releases. |
| 23:53.51 | solitude | (unlike etch :( ) |
| 23:53.57 | zinx | solitude: woody isn't maintained anymore |
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| 23:53.58 | \amethyst | daeos: bug #408508 |
| 23:54.06 | solitude | zinx, true, but whats there works :D |
| 23:54.13 | zinx | solitude: and if you've got problems with etch, report the bugs |
| 23:54.15 | Azar | valdyn: I do remember there was a one-liner for it |
| 23:54.18 | valdyn | solemnwarning: what's wrong with etch? |
| 23:54.26 | zinx | solitude: sarge is still maintained for security, afaik |
| 23:54.30 | \amethyst | daeos: the bug is half a year old and unresponded to :) |
| 23:54.33 | zinx | solitude: woody's just ancient. |
| 23:54.40 | solemnwarning | valdyn: Huh? |
| 23:54.49 | solitude | zinx :) some computers are ancient too |
| 23:54.50 | valdyn | solemnwarning: ops |
| 23:54.56 | valdyn | solitude: what's wrong with etch? |
| 23:54.59 | solemnwarning | hehe, got me mixed with Azar? :P |
| 23:55.09 | zinx | solitude: the computer being ancient has nothing to do with it |
| 23:55.14 | \amethyst | daeos: aha, 418811 is more up to date |
| 23:55.31 | zinx | apt eats just as much memory in woody as it does in etch/sid :P |
| 23:55.39 | solitude | valdyn, weird small niggly things |
| 23:55.47 | solitude | the installer failing on one machine |
| 23:55.48 | solemnwarning | I wonder if doing this "The UNIX way (TM)" would be a good idea |
| 23:55.48 | solitude | silently |
| 23:56.00 | solitude | some xfce4 bugs in etch |
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| 23:56.10 | solitude | the xorg autoconfigure being bad |
| 23:56.11 | valdyn | solemnwarning: whatever that is |
