| 00:00.18 | ezu5t | i think that is something else, valdyn |
| 00:00.27 | JeremyK | karsten: seems like the start/stop procedure for checking whether the process is running is a little inconsistent |
| 00:00.28 | stew | ezu5t: sarge didn't have python2.4-pgsql, only python2.3-pgsql |
| 00:00.32 | JeremyK | i'm looking for a bug :) |
| 00:00.35 | grew | why am i getting these messages when i apt-get update: Ign http://ftp.debian.org unstable/contrib Translation-en_US |
| 00:00.40 | JeremyK | bug report rather |
| 00:00.41 | ezu5t | ok, in that case I need that version |
| 00:00.44 | stew | ezu5t: http://packages.debian.org/oldstable/python/python2.3-pgsql |
| 00:00.59 | ezu5t | thanks stew |
| 00:01.06 | valdyn | grew: that file doesnt exist i guess |
| 00:01.20 | grew | i havent specified translation-en-Us anyway |
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| 00:01.23 | grew | *anywhere |
| 00:01.24 | stew | grew: /msg dpkg ign |
| 00:01.33 | valdyn | grew: your locale specifies that |
| 00:02.03 | grew | ok thanks |
| 00:02.03 | grew | YAY |
| 00:02.05 | grew | pidgin is fixed |
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| 00:03.15 | databuddy | ok |
| 00:03.20 | databuddy | on a remote server mind you: |
| 00:03.28 | databuddy | i need to move my /home partition etc |
| 00:03.39 | zinx | databuddy: it should be warned that you will get debian answers here |
| 00:03.48 | zinx | databuddy: they may or may not work in ubuntu. |
| 00:03.55 | abrotman | or may kill it! |
| 00:03.56 | databuddy | zinx please dont assume i only run one os |
| 00:03.58 | databuddy | !! |
| 00:03.59 | dpkg | I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
| 00:04.06 | databuddy | nice dpkg *pets* |
| 00:04.24 | databuddy | if i copy the files to another dir and edit /etc/fstab to comment it out will it boot up far enough for me to ssh in? |
| 00:04.30 | zinx | databuddy: well, you get enough people asking knowing it's the wrong place to ask, and you start to assume, please don't take offense :) |
| 00:04.41 | databuddy | no thats ok |
| 00:04.47 | valdyn | databuddy: you dont need /home to boot or login |
| 00:04.53 | databuddy | ah good |
| 00:05.08 | databuddy | i basically need to move files from /home partition to / and then make that parition a dedi samba one |
| 00:05.17 | stoned | you know what man |
| 00:05.31 | databuddy | dorks filled it up and the emergency bit too and crashed a bunch of stuff lol |
| 00:05.36 | databuddy | wat stoned |
| 00:05.40 | databuddy | i need more weed? |
| 00:05.42 | stoned | nothing. |
| 00:05.42 | databuddy | o: |
| 00:06.26 | valdyn | databuddy: why would you reboot for this at all? |
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| 00:06.38 | valdyn | databuddy: you can do it all online. |
| 00:06.49 | databuddy | valdyn eh? really?? but the /home partition is in use neh? |
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| 00:07.07 | databuddy | i thought i couldnt.. oh i can force a umount ? |
| 00:07.15 | valdyn | databuddy: is it? os make it not used |
| 00:07.41 | databuddy | valdyn got a / /home swap and /media/someotherstuff partition so to speak |
| 00:07.49 | valdyn | databuddy: and if you are logging in as a user, either log in as root instead or change that users $HOME in /etc/passwd |
| 00:08.02 | databuddy | @_@ |
| 00:08.05 | databuddy | ok let me look at that |
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| 00:12.17 | karsten | JeremyK: You probably know more about it at this point than I do ;-) |
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| 00:12.55 | Zemus | Want to tell me a little bit about ./configure, make, and make install? Any tips, things I should keep around, how to avoid a mess? I appreciate any advice. |
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| 00:14.27 | vorpal | Zemus: ./configure --help |
| 00:14.35 | Zemus | I meant beyond that. |
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| 00:15.24 | lymeca | man I wish I had some more pot |
| 00:15.32 | lymeca | WHOOPS wrong channel |
| 00:15.35 | Zemus | :| |
| 00:15.37 | stoned | me too |
| 00:15.38 | stoned | but I quit |
| 00:15.39 | vorpal | well, it depends to large degree on the particular software |
| 00:15.40 | Zemus | ... |
| 00:15.41 | nite613_ | Zemus: Read the makefile and try to ensure that it's going to put things under /usr/local when you do the make install |
| 00:15.47 | simonrvn | Zemus: avoid a mess by making a deb from that stuff |
| 00:15.52 | lymeca | aww what stoned? Why? |
| 00:16.02 | databuddy | well |
| 00:16.03 | stoned | simonrvn: good advice |
| 00:16.06 | nite613_ | but... your name... it's STONED! How could you have quit? |
| 00:16.07 | databuddy | pot == point of termination |
| 00:16.13 | stoned | pot usa |
| 00:16.21 | databuddy | pot telecom XD |
| 00:16.24 | stoned | presidents of the united states of america |
| 00:16.25 | stoned | good band |
| 00:16.28 | databuddy | agreed |
| 00:16.30 | stoned | anyway |
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| 00:16.42 | Zemus | nite613_: I believe either ./configure or make creates some sort of directory with install files. As I recall (it's been months), if you delete that folder, you can't really uninstall it properly. Any idea what I'm talking about? |
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| 00:17.02 | nite613_ | Zemus: Are you tlaking about some particular package? |
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| 00:17.19 | vorpal | Zemus: not all build systems come with uninstallers, anyway |
| 00:17.25 | nite613_ | Because the stnadard configure script does no such thing, and what something does for a make install could really be anything. |
| 00:17.32 | Zemus | nite613_: yyyyeah, but just general questions for now. |
| 00:17.42 | nite613_ | FWIW I've never seen anythinglike you're describing |
| 00:17.45 | carsonc | I've just installed etch on my iMac. The display only supports 1024x768, so I'd like to use Xorg's 75 dpi fonts. Changing "100" to "75" in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc didn't seem to have any effect that I can see; is there some other action I should take? (Yes, I've verified the xfonts-75dpi package is installed, and I've restarted X) |
| 00:17.49 | Zemus | So how would I remove something I'd compiled from source? |
| 00:17.51 | nite613_ | Some packages have a make uninstall, some don't. |
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| 00:17.58 | vorpal | Zemus: as someone already mentioned, it is well worth the effort to learn how to package stuff |
| 00:18.13 | nite613_ | But generally you just delete the files that got installed. Hopefully they're under /usr/local and obvious enough to find |
| 00:18.27 | Zemus | vorpal: so the only way to ensure a clean uninstall of things compiled from source is to build a package in the first place? |
| 00:18.28 | stew | Zemus: follow the uninstall instructions in the README file or the INSTALL file or hopefully the UNINSTALL file |
| 00:18.33 | karsten | carsonc: I suspect you're not actually running the 100/75 DPI fonts much for most modern apps. |
| 00:18.47 | valdyn | carsonc: why do you want those fonts? |
| 00:18.48 | vorpal | Zemus: yes |
| 00:18.55 | Zemus | vorpal: ... that sucks. Thanks, man. :) |
| 00:18.57 | carsonc | karsten: Well, right now, all that I'm looking at is an xterm |
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| 00:19.02 | valdyn | carsonc: everything not ancient uses true type fonts |
| 00:19.06 | nite613_ | "I'm nervous about ./configure; make; make install" is nowhere near "I need help packaging software for distribution" |
| 00:19.16 | karsten | carsonc: Point. |
| 00:19.20 | simonrvn | Nyle: as usual, it gets ignored |
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| 00:19.57 | simonrvn | nite613_: who said anything about distribution? |
| 00:20.00 | valdyn | carsonc: look for DisplaySize in man xorg.conf or just set dpi with xrandr |
| 00:20.17 | Nyle | simonrvn: what is the travesty with people man |
| 00:20.20 | JeremyK | karsten: yup, there's already a bug for it, looks like: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=202719 |
| 00:20.26 | nite613_ | Zemus: What vorpal says isn't quite true. Stew has the better answer. The BEST way to track those things is by packaging them properly, but in many cases a make uninstall or a couple deletions will happily remove something you're installed |
| 00:21.07 | carsonc | valdyn: Ah, okay. That makes sense. Very helpful. It's been forever since I've needed to much with X's conf file (like, since XFree 3.3.something). Thanks for the pointer |
| 00:21.12 | karsten | JeremyK: There you go then. |
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| 00:21.24 | karsten | JeremyK: ... and my initial guess was somewhat on target. |
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| 00:21.38 | JeremyK | karsten: sorta :) |
| 00:21.43 | Zemus | nite613_: excellent, thank you very much |
| 00:21.58 | lindenle | Anyone know hoe to foce xrandr to bottom align? |
| 00:21.58 | JeremyK | karsten: thank you for your help though, much appreciated! |
| 00:22.02 | vorpal | Zemus: in the process of packaging your software, you will become intiimately acquainted with all the file it will leave on your system, so you aren't really doing something miraculous, but it definitely helps in the long run |
| 00:22.11 | karsten | JeremyK: Sure, wasn't much. |
| 00:22.21 | valdyn | lindenle: bottom align? xrandr has nothing to do with that |
| 00:22.33 | lindenle | in dual head merged fb it does |
| 00:22.38 | lindenle | valdyn: ^^ |
| 00:22.44 | solemnwarning | Is there a command I can use to get a list of all installed packages on a debian system? |
| 00:22.44 | lindenle | valdyn: in xorg 7.2 |
| 00:23.01 | JeremyK | karsten: you gave me the bonk on the head I needed to find what the problem was :) |
| 00:23.02 | dkr | solemnwarning: dpkg -l|grep '^.i' |
| 00:23.07 | solemnwarning | thanks |
| 00:24.38 | valdyn | lindenle: i see, still dont know what the 'bottom-align' is supposed to mean |
| 00:24.42 | karsten | JeremyK: Any time ;-) |
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| 00:25.03 | Zemus | ..... |
| 00:25.14 | lindenle | valdyn: think about two differenty sized displays, either top edge or bottom edges are aligned |
| 00:25.21 | Zemus | I just /killed Greyscale on another server. Apparently it knocked him off this one as well. o_O |
| 00:25.24 | valdyn | lindenle: i see |
| 00:25.47 | JeremyK | Zemus: network, rather? :P |
| 00:25.50 | simonrvn | Zemus: no, Greyscale n=Grey@host81-151-10-137.range81-151.btcentralplus.com has quit (Connection timed out) |
| 00:26.38 | Zemus | JeremyK: network, yes, I have no idea where 'server' came from |
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| 00:26.46 | JeremyK | hehe |
| 00:26.53 | Zemus | Kjikaqawej: it happened in the exact same second :P |
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| 00:27.00 | Kjikaqawej | hehe |
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| 00:27.33 | vorpal | Zemus: alternatively, you could configure your installation to install into a dedicated directory, if it has that option, and it should e.g., ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/foo |
| 00:27.45 | EmeraldCat | Apparently no shell (not tcsh, not zsh, not bash) supports job control in batch/script mode... |
| 00:27.57 | Zemus | vorpal: score. thanks. |
| 00:28.10 | Kjikaqawej | GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAL! |
| 00:28.13 | polishpaul | I have an FTP server i want to serve NTFS type files. Is SMBA the only option? can anyone piont me in the right direction? |
| 00:28.17 | vorpal | Zemus: then uninstall becomes a matter of *shudder* rm -rf /usr/local/foo |
| 00:28.17 | Zemus | ... wow. lol. |
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| 00:29.04 | vorpal | btw, i usually preach about using that command |
| 00:29.06 | ampex | polishpaul: what do you mean NTFS files? |
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| 00:29.09 | carsonc | Zemus: If you want that option, you might want to look at stow |
| 00:29.09 | solemnwarning | vorpal: Make a typo at usr and hit enter as well as backspace :P |
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| 00:29.37 | ampex | polishpaul: is the NTFS volume under linux, or on a Windows machine? is it on the same machine you want the FTP server to run on? |
| 00:29.40 | vorpal | cd /usr/local; rm foo*back space...* -rf |
| 00:30.20 | Zemus | vorpal: lawl |
| 00:30.32 | Zemus | carsonc: stow? |
| 00:30.37 | carsonc | apt-cache show stow |
| 00:30.46 | Kjikaqawej | yeh, i cd to the dir above it, or that dir, then run rm -rf. i once accidentily wiped out /bin... |
| 00:30.54 | Kjikaqawej | heheh |
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| 00:30.57 | polishpaul | ampex, maybe i'm just thinking about it all wrong. I simply want to host an FTP server - am i going to have issues with transferring data from a windows drive to the linux FS? |
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| 00:31.23 | ampex | polishpaul: is the "windows drive" attached directly to the linux machine, or on another computer? |
| 00:31.24 | polishpaul | How do the 2 FSs play along? |
| 00:31.34 | polishpaul | i'm planning now |
| 00:31.44 | Kjikaqawej | i was on irc at the time still, hadn't rebooted, and was able to find someone help me with a bin.tar of the right arch =) |
| 00:31.57 | polishpaul | i'm not sure how to approach it |
| 00:32.10 | vorpal | solemnwarning: this one person i know was typeing a command "rm -rf *.foo". just after "*", a background program spat a whole bunch of garbage on her terminal. guess what key she hit next? |
| 00:32.10 | EmeraldCat | That's a shame because I need my script to interact with an ORACLE command line client, and I wanted to suspend the client in the background until it was needed again. |
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| 00:32.13 | ampex | polishpaul: ftp doesn't care what type of filesystem it serves files from, as long as linux can read/write from/to it |
| 00:32.23 | Kjikaqawej | rebooting often doesn't fix things, unless you have to |
| 00:32.27 | solemnwarning | vorpal: lol |
| 00:32.44 | solemnwarning | vorpal: I know someone who rm -rf *'d in / by accident |
| 00:32.48 | solemnwarning | THREE TIMES :P |
| 00:32.53 | vorpal | oh dear |
| 00:32.57 | valdyn | EmeraldCat: why cant you use kill to suspend the client? |
| 00:33.04 | ampex | solemnwarning: that's not accidental, that's stupidity |
| 00:33.06 | polishpaul | ampex, ok so a file on a linux FS will download fine to a NTFS - transparent? |
| 00:33.12 | solemnwarning | ampex: heh |
| 00:33.17 | ampex | polishpaul: you're not answering my questions properly |
| 00:33.37 | ampex | polishpaul: is the NTFS filesystem on a drive that is attached directly to the linux machine, or on a seperate windows box? |
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| 00:34.08 | databuddy | ha! great idea on changing /home dir in /etc/passwd |
| 00:34.11 | databuddy | zomg great |
| 00:34.20 | polishpaul | ampex, oh sorry, like i mentioned, neither yet - i'm trying to find the easiest (proper) way to get all my files on my Linux FTP server. |
| 00:34.32 | databuddy | no need to dismount just leave things going and del when its confirmed all stuff worx |
| 00:34.36 | polishpaul | My current environment is win XP |
| 00:34.36 | EmeraldCat | valdyn: How do I bring it to the foreground in the script? |
| 00:34.38 | ampex | polishpaul: do you have enough space on the linux machine to just copy them over the network? |
| 00:34.47 | polishpaul | yeah |
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| 00:34.55 | polishpaul | secure copy? |
| 00:35.07 | ampex | polishpaul: then do that, you can make NTFS work on linux, but you'll always have a better experience with ext2 or ext3, etc. |
| 00:35.13 | ampex | polishpaul: how is up to you |
| 00:35.14 | karsten | polishpaul: In general, there's no filesystem compatibility issues when transferring via network protocols. Linux doesn't care, Windows doesn't care, what the other's filesystem is. |
| 00:35.50 | ampex | polishpaul: windows talks to it's disks via NTFS, linux might be talking to it's disks with ext3, but if you transfer over a network protocol they both agree on, it doesn't matter |
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| 00:36.08 | polishpaul | karsten, i got it! |
| 00:36.09 | ampex | polishpaul: samba, ftp, etc. work no matter what filesystem the server or client is using |
| 00:36.12 | polishpaul | thanks guys! |
| 00:36.24 | polishpaul | yeah, i wasn't sure how the FS's would behave over network |
| 00:36.25 | databuddy | valdyn yeah even better - no reason to 'not use it' but i think yer a darn god |
| 00:36.26 | databuddy | :D |
| 00:36.40 | karsten | polishpaul: As a practical issue, you've got restrictions on names and uniqness, specifically restricted characters(forward slashes on Linux, a few others on Windows), some names (COM, LPR, CON, NUL on windows), and casing uniqueness (NTFS doesn't distinguish between FILE file and File, though it will generally preserve casing when reporting the filename back to you). |
| 00:37.13 | databuddy | ppppppppppp and it mounts and unmounts beautifully :) |
| 00:37.52 | karsten | polishpaul: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa365247.aspx |
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| 00:38.27 | karsten | polishpaul: No characters in the range 0 - 31, or <>:"/\|?* |
| 00:38.50 | EmeraldCat | The problem is `fg', `jobs' and `^Z' aren't supported for scripts. Oh well. I guess sequential execution is the only way to go -- unfortunately that could introduce some significant overhead. |
| 00:38.59 | karsten | polishpaul: Reserved names: CON PRN AUX NUL COM[1-9] LPT[1-9] |
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| 00:40.28 | man_in_ltop | for some reason, hidd isn't keeping the connection to it, or re-establishing it when it drops |
| 00:40.32 | Zemus | Command to make a directory? |
| 00:40.39 | man_in_ltop | Zemus, mkdir |
| 00:40.42 | Zemus | ty |
| 00:41.27 | karsten | polishpaul: And WRT FiLEnaMe cAsINg: http://www.lugaru.com/man/File.Name.Case.html |
| 00:42.33 | Zemus | If I want to make a directory called "John Smith", how do I do that? mkdir John Smith creates two directories: John, and Smith. |
| 00:42.42 | carsonc | mkdir John\ Smith |
| 00:42.43 | polishpaul | so basically dealing with files over the network, there's no need to mount NTFS volumes right? |
| 00:42.56 | carsonc | or mkdir "John Smith" should work also |
| 00:42.58 | karsten | polishpaul: Nope. |
| 00:43.25 | man_in_ltop | Zemus, in general, you shouldn't have spaces in file/directory names as it creates massive confusion, but if you really need it, then it's what carsonc said :) |
| 00:43.57 | EmeraldCat | *nix supports file names with spaces?? |
| 00:44.00 | Zemus | score. thanks. |
| 00:44.04 | man_in_ltop | EmeraldCat, of course it does |
| 00:44.14 | man_in_ltop | EmeraldCat, also supports file names with "*" in it. now that's fun :) |
| 00:44.18 | abrotman | EmeraldCat: most modern OSes do |
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| 00:44.22 | valdyn | or ~ |
| 00:44.24 | valdyn | or uh |
| 00:44.36 | man_in_ltop | valdyn, ~'s not a big problem. * is |
| 00:44.55 | EmeraldCat | Really? I always thought *nix didn't support spaces. Well, now I know. :) |
| 00:44.57 | polishpaul | so what is SAMBA? |
| 00:44.59 | man_in_ltop | you can have a directory called "*", and trying to delete it can cause big problems :) |
| 00:45.07 | man_in_ltop | polishpaul, it's a windows networking server' |
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| 00:45.11 | polishpaul | if i can just shoot my files over the wires, why would i need it? |
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| 00:45.26 | gargantua | hi |
| 00:45.38 | gargantua | does Opera come with the default repos for apt? |
| 00:45.42 | abrotman | no |
| 00:45.42 | EmeraldCat | rm \*? |
| 00:45.45 | abrotman | !tell gargantua about opera |
| 00:45.53 | man_in_ltop | polishpaul, are you trying to share files on your linux box so that another window box can access it? |
| 00:45.57 | EmeraldCat | I mean rm /*. |
| 00:45.57 | abrotman | gargantua: they do have an apt repository though |
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| 00:46.09 | polishpaul | man_in_ltop yeah |
| 00:46.09 | valdyn | man_in_ltop: * is no big deal either |
| 00:46.11 | man_in_ltop | EmeraldCat, if it's a directory, it needs -r, and \* is correct :) |
| 00:46.12 | gargantua | why dont they add it to the default one? |
| 00:46.19 | abrotman | it's not free |
| 00:46.23 | abrotman | or Free |
| 00:46.24 | gargantua | I am just wondering... I mean, it's free. |
| 00:46.24 | man_in_ltop | polishpaul, then you would need samba, since that's the windows networking server for linux :) |
| 00:46.35 | abrotman | gargantua: i believe they prohibit redistribution |
| 00:46.40 | EmeraldCat | Oh yeah, \ is the escape char. :) |
| 00:46.40 | gargantua | no they dont |
| 00:46.49 | gargantua | anyhow |
| 00:47.00 | polishpaul | man_in_ltop, so i can't just copy the files from my PC to the linux server? |
| 00:47.01 | gargantua | anyone know where I can get hold of the repo? |
| 00:47.09 | abrotman | gargantua: ask on irc.opera.com |
| 00:47.14 | abrotman | or check their website |
| 00:47.22 | gargantua | thanks |
| 00:47.39 | man_in_ltop | polishpaul, you're confusing me. are the files you want to share on a windows box or a linux box? |
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| 00:48.20 | karsten | polishpaul: That's the whole idea behind protocol-based data transfer |
| 00:48.28 | abrotman | gargantua: deb http://deb.opera.com/opera RELEASE non-free |
| 00:48.32 | polishpaul | man_in_ltop, i have a linux ftp server, no files. I have my files on my current XP box, pics, etc. that i want to have on the FTP server for ppl to have access to |
| 00:48.41 | abrotman | gargantua: where you replace RELEASE with etch/stable/lenny/testing/etc |
| 00:48.44 | karsten | polishpaul: Networked filesystems pretty much give you the same benefits, abstraction of local storage. |
| 00:48.47 | valdyn | !ftp must die |
| 00:48.48 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 00:48.49 | man_in_ltop | ah |
| 00:48.51 | abrotman | gargantua: http://www.opera.com/support/search/view/841/?keyword=apt&platformID=7 |
| 00:49.07 | polishpaul | karsten, so what is SMBA then? |
| 00:49.08 | karsten | gargantua: There *may* be an opera installer in non-free. |
| 00:49.20 | Zemus | Extract bz2 files from the terminal? Command? |
| 00:49.22 | polishpaul | or SAMBA that is |
| 00:49.23 | man_in_ltop | polishpaul, well if you already have the ftp server running, you can upload files to the server using an ftp client |
| 00:49.26 | gargantua | thanks guys |
| 00:49.29 | karsten | polishpaul: Samba == implementation of SMB/CIFS, which is Windows file & print share. |
| 00:49.39 | man_in_ltop | what karsten said :) |
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| 00:49.52 | polishpaul | karsten, so would that be more like goint FROM linux TO windows? |
| 00:49.57 | karsten | polishpaul: It's similar in concept to NFS or AFS on the Unix/Linux side, but includes not just file transfer but user authentication and some domain / directory stuff. |
| 00:50.10 | polishpaul | ooooh |
| 00:50.10 | gargantua | arghh... |
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| 00:50.20 | gargantua | guys I forgot how to add a repo, can someone tell me? |
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| 00:50.35 | valdyn | !repo |
| 00:50.35 | dpkg | methinks repo is a repository (mirrors), where debian package archives are stored. |
| 00:50.38 | karsten | polishpaul: Either way. You can have either a Windows fileserver (running Windows file share services) or a Linux fileserver (running Samba), and either may have Windows and/or Linux (or other OS) clients. |
| 00:50.43 | valdyn | !sources.list |
| 00:50.44 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 00:50.57 | karsten | gargantua: edit /etc/apt/sources.list or 'apt-setup' |
| 00:51.18 | abrotman | apt-setup won't help him here |
| 00:51.23 | abrotman | and it doesn't exist anymore anyways |
| 00:51.28 | Zemus | What's the command to extract bz2 files in linux? |
| 00:51.41 | ricky | Zemus: bzip2 -d? |
| 00:51.44 | karsten | abrotman: Feh. |
| 00:51.51 | Zemus | ricky: thanks |
| 00:51.52 | ricky | Zemus: Or for a tar.bz2, tar -xjf file.tar.bz2 |
| 00:51.56 | man_in_ltop | hehe dpkg, "bluetooth is ... about as secure as shouting" |
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| 00:52.20 | karsten | Zemus: I prefer using tweazers. A scalpel if the explosion's buried them really deep. |
| 00:52.25 | Zemus | bzip2 -d, tar -xjf file.tar.bz2. |
| 00:52.29 | Zemus | Just to extract things, this is insane. |
| 00:52.33 | Zemus | I need to write a script. D: |
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| 00:52.46 | ricky | Zemus: Don't worry, you'll get used to them. |
| 00:52.49 | karsten | Zemus: A lot of file managers will handle this transparently. |
| 00:52.52 | man_in_ltop | igtg |
| 00:52.54 | Zemus | So when I type "lollinuxmakeitso foo" it will just detect stuff and extract accordingly. |
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| 00:53.01 | karsten | !WAYTTD Zemus |
| 00:53.01 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Zemus? |
| 00:53.11 | gargantua | thanks karsten |
| 00:53.17 | Zemus | karsten: yeah, but I want to learn the term xD |
| 00:53.21 | maxamillion | did etch end up being LSB compliant? ... i know it was planned, but it doesn't appear that the linux-foundation updated their page since the release and i was just curious |
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| 00:53.33 | Zemus | Eh, nothing, just extracting some stuff. Then compiling a package. D: |
| 00:53.36 | Orion_X11 | where are dpkg factoids? |
| 00:53.57 | Zemus | It's ok |
| 00:54.02 | Zemus | I have a walkthrough! xD |
| 00:54.08 | abrotman | !your factoids |
| 00:54.08 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 00:54.11 | maxamillion | Orion_X11: /msg dpkg factoids |
| 00:54.16 | maxamillion | or that |
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| 00:54.34 | Orion_X11 | maxamillion: thx :-) |
| 00:54.36 | peppo | is this the way to install a package from testing -- apt-get -t testing install easytag? |
| 00:54.42 | polishpaul | If i want the user to only remain in his directory when he logs in to my FTP server, do i chroot him? or do i handle that via VSFTPD? |
| 00:54.58 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/vsftpd/ should have something |
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| 00:55.13 | karsten | Zemus: 'file' will give you a good guess as to what a file is. The "apropos" command will tell you what commands are related. So: /home/kself/Oracle/B19306_01.zip.bz2: bzip2 compressed data, block size = 900k |
| 00:55.19 | ricky | polishpaul: If nobody in here knows off hand, you might be able to find a vsftpd channel as well. |
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| 00:55.21 | maxamillion | Orion_X11: np |
| 00:55.32 | polishpaul | good idea |
| 00:55.49 | JeremyK | hrm. start-stop-daemon can't be overly complex. maybe i'll screw around with it tonight and see if i can't fix it and provide a patch :) |
| 00:55.49 | Zemus | karsten: cool |
| 00:55.53 | maxamillion | abrotman: all mighty master of all that is #debian, do you know if etch ended up being LSB compliant upon release as planned? |
| 00:55.57 | maxamillion | :) |
| 00:56.01 | karsten | Zemus: Then: apropos bzip2 lists 9 related programs with a one-line synopsis. You can run 'man <commandname>' for the full manual page of each. |
| 00:56.07 | abrotman | maxamillion: not fully IIRC |
| 00:56.20 | abrotman | maxamillion: i think there's an LSB package though |
| 00:56.24 | maxamillion | abrotman: okies, thanks ... i figured if anyone around here would know it would be you |
| 00:56.24 | karsten | Zemus: Debian (unlike other Linuxes) commits to having a manpage for *every* executable included with the distro. |
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| 00:56.32 | basti | i added http://wine.budgetdedicated.com etch to sources.list and upgraded wine. but i run in this error: http://paste.debian.net/32884 does anyone know how to solve this? |
| 00:56.34 | abrotman | maxamillion: apt-cache search lsb |
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| 00:56.52 | abrotman | basti: english would be good :) |
| 00:57.00 | maxamillion | abrotman: meh, i don't really care ... it was more of a POSIX compatibilti question because i am writing some code for a summer class that has to be posix compliant |
| 00:57.07 | abrotman | ah o |
| 00:57.09 | abrotman | k |
| 00:57.09 | maxamillion | compatibility* |
| 00:57.15 | maxamillion | abrotman: thanks again :) |
| 00:57.34 | abrotman | maxamillion: if you really want to know .. you could check the release notes .. or ask on a mailing list |
| 00:57.38 | maxamillion | karsten: that's not true, there isn't a man page for 'jobs' |
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| 00:57.50 | maxamillion | abrotman: ah, ok ... off the check the release notes |
| 00:57.51 | maxamillion | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:58.02 | abrotman | karsten: and there's an entire "needs a man page" qa project |
| 00:58.10 | basti | abrotman: how can i change that tmp? |
| 00:58.19 | abrotman | basti: LANG=C <command> |
| 00:59.10 | gargantua | what do I do after I add the repos to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 00:59.55 | abrotman | aptitude update |
| 00:59.56 | aptitude | somebody said update was dselect update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgrade, or you can use apt-get update instead of dselect update |
| 01:00.21 | basti | hmm. i don´t know what i changed, but know it works.. |
| 01:00.32 | acu | guys I want to run ez built for php5 and I get an error does anyone knows what is liWarning: require(lib/compat.php) [function.require]: failed to open stream - does anyone knows what is this ? |
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| 01:01.32 | polishpaul | how do i contain a user to his directory, so that he cannot browse above it? |
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| 01:01.40 | sayers | So is Testing up-to-date? |
| 01:02.37 | j0rd | is there a reason why when i `apt-get install postfix` and when i `apt-get source postfix` i get two different versions of postfix? |
| 01:02.45 | Zemus | ok, check this out |
| 01:02.46 | Zemus | http://pidgin.im/pidgin/download/source/ |
| 01:02.46 | Orion_X11 | sayers: I use testing here and I get update nearly every day |
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| 01:02.57 | sayers | is it stable enough to atleast use? :) |
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| 01:03.08 | valdyn | j0rd: watch the repo being sid / lenny / etch / whatever |
| 01:03.16 | karsten | abrotman: I said Debian *commits* to having a manpage, not that it fully succeeds. |
| 01:03.17 | Zemus | I'm attempting to compile a debian source package, and I'm using this walkthrough...http://www.luv.asn.au/overheads/compile.html |
| 01:03.30 | Orion_X11 | sayers: I think so. No problems here. It is wonderful for me |
| 01:03.40 | Zemus | It says I need three files to do this. dsc, .diff.gz, and .orig.tar.gz. |
| 01:03.46 | Zemus | The only one there is orig.tar.gz. :< |
| 01:04.12 | Orion_X11 | sayers: But, I would not recommend it for servers |
| 01:04.25 | valdyn | wonder why compiling random stuff seems to be such an attractive goal for people who just learned mkdir |
| 01:04.44 | karsten | abrotman: Compliment accepted. |
| 01:04.47 | Zemus | Any ideas, anyone? |
| 01:04.50 | sayers | Orion_X11: AMD64 Desktop, All I want to do is get on the web, use flash, talk on IRC, and Linux it out |
| 01:04.54 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:04.59 | karsten | Zemus: Paint your whiskers green! |
| 01:05.14 | Zemus | If I need dsc, .diff.gz, and .orig.tar.gz to compile a debian source package, and the website only offers tar.gz2... what should I do? |
| 01:05.18 | vorpal | Zemus: how did you obtain the source package? |
| 01:05.19 | Zemus | karsten: they already are! :< |
| 01:05.26 | valdyn | Zemus: you might want to start with things that you have a chance of understanding already |
| 01:05.37 | Zemus | vorpal: downloaded it from the site I linked you to. http://pidgin.im/pidgin/download/source/ |
| 01:05.40 | karsten | Zemus: Now wear so big a fan that they cannot be seen. |
| 01:05.58 | vorpal | Zemus: use your package manager, silly |
| 01:06.01 | Zemus | valdyn: I'm just trying to install a program. That's as basic as it gets. |
| 01:06.09 | Orion_X11 | sayers: stable or testing does the job. |
| 01:06.09 | Zemus | >.< |
| 01:06.11 | Zemus | urrrgghhh ok |
| 01:06.15 | valdyn | Zemus: compiling software isnt basic |
| 01:06.35 | Zemus | valdyn: I've compiled from source successfully in the past, and resolved dependency issues alone, but I haven't created a .deb file. |
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| 01:07.19 | karsten | Zemus: What package? |
| 01:07.23 | Zemus | ffs |
| 01:07.24 | Zemus | http://pidgin.im/pidgin/download/source/ |
| 01:07.27 | Zemus | pidgin! |
| 01:07.34 | karsten | Zemus: Um, it *is* compiled for Debian. |
| 01:07.45 | Zemus | pidgin-2.0.2.tar.bz2 |
| 01:07.47 | karsten | Zemus: In testing/unstable, at least. |
| 01:07.52 | Zemus | karsten: only for sid |
| 01:07.57 | Zemus | and backporting is a NIGHTMARE |
| 01:08.10 | karsten | Zemus: There's a debian new maintainer's guide which you might want to take a look at. |
| 01:08.11 | Zemus | and I don't understand it. And if you link me to simple sid backports from dpkg, I will kill you. |
| 01:08.11 | Zemus | :) |
| 01:08.23 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 01:08.23 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
| 01:08.34 | Zemus | BASTARD. |
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| 01:09.11 | Zemus | haha. |
| 01:09.13 | abrotman | compiling from source is better ? |
| 01:09.24 | Zemus | Not for uninstalls. Unless there's an uninstall readme. Anyway. |
| 01:09.33 | Zemus | karsten: you want to link me to that new maintainer's guide? |
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| 01:09.50 | valdyn | abrotman: ./configure && make && make install is certainly less characters to type ;) |
| 01:09.53 | vorpal | valdyn: i know you're dead, but you might want to have that would looked at. i think he used a rusty knife |
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| 01:10.15 | abrotman | Zemus: you can't figure out how to uninstall a backport? or from source? |
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| 01:10.23 | karsten | Zemus: ln -s debian_new_maintainers_guide Zemus |
| 01:10.32 | Zemus | How to uninstall something that's been isntalled from source. |
| 01:10.40 | Zemus | .... |
| 01:10.47 | ricky | Zemus: See if make uninstall works. |
| 01:10.51 | karsten | Zemus: http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+new+maintainers+guide |
| 01:10.59 | Zemus | ffs, omfg aghghghghghgh nvm |
| 01:11.00 | vorpal | Zemus: i just told you how earlier |
| 01:11.00 | karsten | Zemus: Or generally: www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 01:11.02 | Zemus | nvm nvm nvm |
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| 01:11.17 | valdyn | !fgi |
| 01:11.17 | karsten | .... |
| 01:11.18 | dpkg | i heard fgi is http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/ and see http://www.moule.org/images/image-medium.html#current=bart-704x528.jpg |
| 01:11.18 | Zemus | You people listen to 25% of everything and must know EVERYTHING |
| 01:11.21 | Zemus | OVER AND OVER |
| 01:11.24 | karsten | ... dipped in tabasco sauce |
| 01:11.26 | prahal | do you know about making dvd with chapter previous ? |
| 01:11.40 | vorpal | ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/pidgin && make && make install |
| 01:11.51 | abrotman | Zemus: if you're so smart .. you could figure it out on your own .. what do you need our help for? |
| 01:11.53 | vorpal | rm -rf /usr/local/pidgin |
| 01:11.58 | karsten | Zemus: Yeah, well, I'm at work and doing a job too ;-) |
| 01:12.13 | polishpaul | how can i lock someone in their home directory? |
| 01:12.13 | gargantua | guys |
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| 01:12.20 | gargantua | how do I mount something? |
| 01:12.23 | ricky | vorpal: Aww, but you'd have to add another directory into your path that way :( |
| 01:12.26 | karsten | polishpaul: Restricted shell. |
| 01:12.30 | Zemus | abrotman: see, that's you not listening again :D I never claimed to be smart. I just get sooo tired of explaining little things over and over, then having new people go 'wait, what?' and having to start all over. |
| 01:12.38 | gargantua | let's say I have an sda9 and want it mountede in /mnt/sda9 |
| 01:12.39 | karsten | gargantua: man mount |
| 01:12.45 | Zemus | And my 'criticism' was entirely in jest anyway. |
| 01:12.52 | Zemus | ;) |
| 01:12.59 | Orion_X11 | gargantua: go to /media or /mnt and mount things |
| 01:13.00 | abrotman | Zemus: why don't you tell us why simple sid backport is so hard? we've got complete morons in here that can do it .. surely you're better than that :) |
| 01:13.29 | Zemus | Ok, well, when I first came in here, everyone was like "nuu, compile a deb package, it is so much better in every way". I've been at it for a little bit, and now everyone is like "don't do that, just backport" |
| 01:13.31 | gargantua | Orion_X11: will you elaborate on the "mount things" part? |
| 01:13.41 | Zemus | which is what I tried to do yesterday. I wrecked my system so badly I had to completely reinstall linux. |
| 01:13.50 | Zemus | Compiling from source works, I'm just trying to learn more. |
| 01:13.52 | abrotman | you did it wrong :) |
| 01:13.56 | ricky | Wow. |
| 01:13.59 | Zemus | abrotman: yeah, I think I messed up sources.list. |
| 01:14.01 | Orion_X11 | gargantua: What do you want to mount? |
| 01:14.04 | abrotman | no kidding .. |
| 01:14.09 | Zemus | hahaha. |
| 01:14.15 | karsten | Zemus: Kernel building *is* pretty easy. Package building is a bit more complicated. |
| 01:14.22 | gargantua | Orion_X11: a partation called sda9 |
| 01:14.24 | Zemus | I probably used deb instead of deb-src or something. It's just that there's so little to really explain things. :/ |
| 01:14.28 | valdyn | Zemus: a backport is not something else than compiling a deb from source |
| 01:14.43 | Zemus | valdyn: ..... yes it is ..... |
| 01:14.54 | Zemus | backports involve using the repositories. compiling a deb from source does not. |
| 01:14.58 | vorpal | karsten: kernel building is easy if you know what configuration options you need |
| 01:15.02 | valdyn | Zemus: geeez |
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| 01:15.24 | Zemus | valdyn: what? |
| 01:15.39 | Orion_X11 | gargantua: So. Go to /mnt create a mounting point and mount it |
| 01:15.40 | polishpaul | karsten, wasn't there a way to have a user in linux chrooted or something? |
| 01:15.55 | valdyn | Zemus: no offense, but you understand so damn few about this, yet still think you do, thats harsh |
| 01:15.56 | abrotman | Zemus: what will you do when the source requires a newer library then you have on your system? |
| 01:16.06 | gargantua | Orion_X11: how do I create a mounting point? lol |
| 01:16.20 | RoC_MasterMind | mkdir /mnt/somedirectory |
| 01:16.30 | gargantua | ok |
| 01:16.38 | Zemus | valdyn: I never claimed to know anything about this? |
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| 01:17.22 | karsten | !be a compiling things barbie |
| 01:17.23 | dpkg | Aww, compiling things is HARD! Let's go shopping, karsten |
| 01:17.32 | karsten | Zemus: ^^ |
| 01:17.37 | ricky | Hehe. |
| 01:17.47 | Zemus | I give up. :< |
| 01:17.50 | gargantua | lol |
| 01:17.52 | Zemus | #debian is a room of trolls. |
| 01:17.57 | Zemus | channel ** |
| 01:18.09 | karsten | vorpal: The usual trick is to reuse your existing config and just make the one or two changes you need. |
| 01:19.02 | Orion_X11 | Zemus: There are serious people here. Like me :-) |
| 01:19.02 | Zemus | As near as I can tell, you exist to tell people 1. they shouldn't ask if they can ask a question 2. tell people things like "<abrotman> Zemus: if you're so smart .. you could figure it out on your own .. what do you need our help for?" 3. Give advice, then go completely back on your advice, then go back to your original advice, and finally call the user a moron, and tell them to use ubuntu. |
| 01:19.18 | abrotman | Zemus: you're ignoring the things we tell you .. |
| 01:19.22 | Zemus | Only half of these things happen to me, but I see them all happen to everyone else. It's like you exist just to piss people off. |
| 01:19.31 | karsten | polishpaul: You can chroot any process. There are some tools for setting that sort of thing up. I haven't messed with it a whole lot. The more general situtation is various sorts of sandboxing or virtualization (eg: KVM, chroot, restricted shell, Xen, qemu, etc.). You can pretty much give users as restricted an environment as you'd care to, all it costs is performance, resources, and configuration time. |
| 01:19.38 | Zemus | <abrotman> Zemus: you're ignoring the things we tell you .. <-- see, like that. That's just really obviously a troll statement. I'm going to ignore it, but it's still funny to look at. |
| 01:19.42 | abrotman | Zemus: we tell dozens of people a day to use simple sid backport .. they can figure it out .. it's not hard .. people do it ALL THE TIME |
| 01:19.50 | Zemus | I did it yesterday. |
| 01:19.53 | Zemus | It killed everything. |
| 01:19.53 | abrotman | WRONG |
| 01:19.56 | Zemus | I don't know what I did wrong. |
| 01:19.59 | abrotman | obviously |
| 01:20.02 | Zemus | <abrotman> WRONG <-- hahahaha |
| 01:20.07 | karsten | Zemus: It's very hard to explain something as complex as building Debian packages on IRC, particularly when (as you've noted) many of us are sort of half paying attention. |
| 01:20.12 | abrotman | you didn't ask for help to do it right .. you kept fucking it up even worse |
| 01:20.17 | Zemus | karsten: yeah. :/ |
| 01:20.28 | Zemus | abrotman: please stop talking to me D: |
| 01:20.34 | abrotman | Zemus: would you like to try the simple sid backport again? or are you going to continue with source? |
| 01:20.46 | Zemus | abrotman: your statements seem like they're just there to be irritating D: (sorry) |
| 01:20.49 | karsten | Zemus: /msg dpkg repeat. Mailing list might be a better place. There's also a developers channel (#debian-devel) though the one on oftc may be more populated. |
| 01:20.51 | abrotman | Zemus: use /ignore .. |
| 01:21.03 | Caelum | how do you get a screenshot of a window? I forgot |
| 01:21.07 | Zemus | abrotman: I have faith that with time our relationship will improve. haha. |
| 01:21.11 | abrotman | Zemus: i'm willing to help you use simple sid backport .. if you're not willing to recieve that help .. not much i can do |
| 01:21.15 | karsten | Caelum: scrot, import, various graphics utilities. |
| 01:21.20 | Zemus | >.> |
| 01:21.22 | Zemus | ok :P |
| 01:21.23 | karsten | Zemus: I'm still hoping. |
| 01:21.24 | Caelum | karsten: ahh import, thank you |
| 01:21.25 | Zemus | I'll give it a shot. |
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| 01:21.49 | Zemus | I'm just ... I spend HOURS trying little tiny things, and most of what I hear is "it's really easy". So much time is wasted not addressing the actual issue. Like right now. |
| 01:21.51 | karsten | abrotman: That's what's in the vases. |
| 01:21.56 | Zemus | No one ever even attempted to answer my original question. Ever. |
| 01:22.00 | abrotman | karsten: you tainted it with flowers! |
| 01:22.02 | Zemus | I'll paste that question now. |
| 01:22.13 | karsten | abrotman: Only for you. |
| 01:22.50 | Zemus | "<Zemus> If I need dsc, .diff.gz, and .orig.tar.gz to compile a debian source package, and the website only offers tar.gz2... what should I do?" |
| 01:23.08 | karsten | Zemus: Honestly, given your goal, I'd suggest moving from sarge to testing, as the easier general solution. Any reason you haven't? |
| 01:23.14 | phogg | Zemus: it is really easy. Simple sid backports are really that: simple. You get the source package and compile it. |
| 01:23.20 | Zemus | .... |
| 01:23.22 | Zemus | I'm using etch. |
| 01:23.26 | abrotman | Zemus: which website only offers tar.gz ? |
| 01:23.33 | ricky | Zemus: Which is the current stable. |
| 01:23.43 | valdyn | Zemus: websites dont normally offer that .dsc and .diff.gz. Those are only in debian repositories |
| 01:24.05 | valdyn | Zemus: ..and in the case of pidgin, you get all 3 files from debian |
| 01:24.07 | phogg | Zemus: apt-get source packagename |
| 01:24.11 | j0rd | checking out http://mirror.peer1.net/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz, specifically for postfix. I noticed these two things. "Source: postfix (2.3.8-2)" and "Version: 2.3.8-2+b1", now when i get my postfix source, i get 2.3.8-2, but how can i compile it so it's package version 2.3.8-2+b1 ? |
| 01:24.14 | karsten | Zemus: .dsc and diff.gz are the Debian-specific files which are part of the package. |
| 01:24.18 | j0rd | is tehre an extra patch i have to download? |
| 01:24.36 | karsten | j0rd: Set the package version to something different when you build your local package. |
| 01:24.48 | abrotman | security patch ? |
| 01:24.54 | valdyn | j0rd: the buildd isnt done compiling the newest package |
| 01:25.07 | polishpaul | How can i CHROOT a user? |
| 01:25.08 | Zemus | <vorpal> Zemus: how did you obtain the source package? -- <karsten> Zemus: What package? ... <abrotman> Zemus: which website only offers tar.gz ? |
| 01:25.14 | lindenle | abrotman: so if you had to choose would you take a thinkpad x60 or x61s? |
| 01:25.18 | j0rd | valdyn: the binary is more current than the source it seems |
| 01:25.20 | valdyn | j0rd: ( that's assuming both are actually from the same release ) |
| 01:25.24 | abrotman | lindenle: depends on the feature set |
| 01:25.28 | Zemus | vorpal: karsten: abrotman: http://pidgin.im/pidgin/download/source/ |
| 01:25.28 | abrotman | Zemus: so answer the question |
| 01:25.33 | Orion_X11 | Zemus: Which is your issue? |
| 01:25.37 | karsten | polishpaul: You'll have to run chroot as root: chroot <path> su -c '<shell>' username |
| 01:25.40 | Zemus | I did. That's actually the fifth time I've listed the url. |
| 01:25.42 | abrotman | Zemus: then you'd ask the pidgin IRC channel .. not us |
| 01:25.52 | j0rd | karsten: i'm trying to avoid dependancy issues here. when i install mine from source, and then when i try to install another package, it complains my postfix is too old |
| 01:25.52 | abrotman | Zemus: we'll help you with the simple sid backport .. they'll help you with a tar.gz |
| 01:25.53 | valdyn | j0rd: oh, ops |
| 01:25.57 | Zemus | <Zemus> No one ever even attempted to answer my original question. Ever. -- <Zemus> I'll paste that question now. -- <Zemus> "<Zemus> If I need dsc, .diff.gz, and .orig.tar.gz to compile a debian source package, and the website only offers tar.gz2... what should I do?" |
| 01:25.59 | lindenle | abrotman: both identical (3gb, 7200rpm drive, extended battery) only difference is LV vs. normal chip. |
| 01:26.00 | j0rd | how does one work around this issue? |
| 01:26.06 | phogg | Zemus: you do not need a .dsc and such for compiling a NEW debian package from scratch, only to recompile an *existing* debian package |
| 01:26.07 | abrotman | Zemus: STOP PASTING |
| 01:26.11 | j0rd | valdyn: they are both from etch |
| 01:26.12 | valdyn | j0rd: its different repos then, like security |
| 01:26.25 | abrotman | Zemus: i've offered to help you with "simple sid backport" .. you're apparently not interested |
| 01:26.26 | valdyn | j0rd: is there a deb-src for security updates ? |
| 01:26.29 | karsten | j0rd: There's a convention IIRC for specifying a local name component, check Debian Policy I think. |
| 01:26.34 | j0rd | valdyn: ok, so like security have a more recent patch i take it? |
| 01:26.43 | phogg | Zemus: what you need to go from upstream source tarball to .deb file you can install is... in the new maintainers guide! More or less. |
| 01:26.43 | karsten | Zemus: You're about > < that close to being officially annoying. |
| 01:26.45 | abrotman | lindenle: LV ?? |
| 01:26.50 | Zemus | <abrotman> Zemus: STOP PASTING -- Stop asking questions that have already been answered more than three times? |
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| 01:26.58 | valdyn | j0rd: possibly |
| 01:26.58 | abrotman | yeah .. now he's a troll |
| 01:27.05 | Zemus | I'm not a troll. :| |
| 01:27.06 | abrotman | doesn't want help from anyone in here |
| 01:27.11 | abrotman | just bitches and whines |
| 01:27.11 | karsten | Zemus: You've been given three solutions which are preferable to what you're trying to do and which should work. I'd suggest you pick one or go elsewhere. |
| 01:27.21 | polishpaul | karsten, is there a list of chrooted users? i remember editing something like that once |
| 01:27.22 | karsten | Zemus: One more chance here. |
| 01:27.22 | j0rd | valdyn: how can i tell apt-get source to pull stuff down from the "security" rather than just normal etch? |
| 01:27.26 | lindenle | abrotman: low voltage in x61s (longer battery life) |
| 01:27.26 | j0rd | i assume this would fix my issue |
| 01:27.27 | karsten | abrotman: /ignore |
| 01:27.36 | abrotman | i offered to help damn it! |
| 01:27.46 | valdyn | j0rd: is there a deb-src line for the security updates in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 01:27.56 | karsten | polishpaul: Not AFAIK, I don't think theres' any way of knowing whether a given process is chrooted, though /proc/<pid> might have something. |
| 01:28.01 | arachnodactyly | everyone who needs help in Debian is a troll |
| 01:28.02 | arachnodactyly | EVERYONE |
| 01:28.05 | abrotman | lindenle: oh .. hrm .. i guess it depends the difference in price |
| 01:28.08 | arachnodactyly | it is impossible to have problems |
| 01:28.10 | Orion_X11 | abrotman: Which is Zemus issue? |
| 01:28.11 | arachnodactyly | it is the perfect, ultimate OS |
| 01:28.15 | lindenle | abrotman: it's like 50 bucks |
| 01:28.17 | arachnodactyly | if you have any issues with it... you are clearly trolling |
| 01:28.22 | RoC_MasterMind | well |
| 01:28.22 | abrotman | arachnodactyly: are you done? |
| 01:28.26 | karsten | arachnodactyly: OT |
| 01:28.36 | RoC_MasterMind | i might be better than #ubuntu, where someone has a problem every five seconds. |
| 01:28.40 | valdyn | !ops arachnodactyly trolling |
| 01:28.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: valdyn complains about: arachnodactyly trolling |
| 01:28.41 | j0rd | valdyn: ya, i have that line |
| 01:28.44 | Zemus | <Orion_X11> abrotman: Which is Zemus issue? <--- hahahahahahahaha |
| 01:28.51 | Zemus | If I need dsc, .diff.gz, and .orig.tar.gz to compile a debian source package, and the website only offers tar.gz2... what should I do?" |
| 01:28.52 | j0rd | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main non-free contrib |
| 01:28.52 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: yes, I've seen it |
| 01:28.58 | phogg | Zemus: You need to stop doing that. |
| 01:29.00 | Zemus | I'm actually laughing out loud at this point |
| 01:29.03 | karsten | Zemus: You lose. |
| 01:29.11 | Zemus | karsten: IT'S A TRAP!!! |
| 01:29.14 | phogg | Zemus: I am willing to help you if you want to be constructive. |
| 01:29.29 | Zemus | I'm not being not constructive. |
| 01:29.29 | abrotman | lindenle: also depends how often you're on battery vs AC |
| 01:29.40 | valdyn | j0rd: im not clear as to why its pulling the wrong source then |
| 01:29.45 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: Actual debian mirrors have all of them; it'd be more useful if you'd actually ask a specific question. |
| 01:29.46 | Zemus | I just find it faster to paste my previous answers if I'm answering a question that's already been asked. |
| 01:29.57 | lindenle | abrotman: that is true, hopefully this new job has way less travel..that is the plan at least |
| 01:29.58 | valdyn | !info postfix etch |
| 01:30.01 | dpkg | postfix: (A high-performance mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.3.8-2+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 1063 kB, Installed size: 2464 kB |
| 01:30.05 | abrotman | lindenle: hehe |
| 01:30.10 | lindenle | abrotman: I guess Il probably go for the x60 |
| 01:30.11 | phogg | Zemus: for what reason are you compiling pidgin yourself? |
| 01:30.18 | arachnodactyly | Zemus: use the ubuntu packages!!! |
| 01:30.18 | valdyn | !info postfix sarge |
| 01:30.24 | lindenle | abrotman: it looks pretty sick ;) |
| 01:30.26 | abrotman | arachnodactyly: don't do that |
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| 01:30.33 | karsten | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html |
| 01:30.33 | phogg | Zemus: do you have some need for the latest upstream version or are you just misguided? |
| 01:30.44 | Zemus | neither? |
| 01:30.47 | Zemus | I just want pidgin. :| |
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| 01:30.53 | valdyn | j0rd: not security related.. that +b1 release |
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| 01:31.00 | phogg | Zemus: what is it about resolving dependancies manually and issuing 'make' that confuses you? |
| 01:31.01 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: then follow the simple sid backport instructions |
| 01:31.13 | dpkg | postfix: (A high-performance mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.1.5-9 (sarge), Packaged size: 783 kB, Installed size: 1928 kB |
| 01:31.14 | Zemus | I was going to compile from source, but everyone in here told me to create a .deb package myself. |
| 01:31.35 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: creating the deb package from the sources in unstable is trivial; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 01:31.38 | phogg | Zemus: aptitude install pidgin |
| 01:31.43 | Zemus | phogg: ...... um, ok, nothing confuses me about that, as I've stated several times, I have no problem with compiling from source, I'd just like to try it a different way. |
| 01:31.50 | phogg | Zemus: unless you have some reason to customize it, use the binary package. |
| 01:31.53 | karsten | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-modify.en.html |
| 01:31.54 | j0rd | valdyn: i'm lost, could you be a little more verbose |
| 01:31.54 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: he tried that yesterday and hosed his box .. and now refuses to use it again |
| 01:32.02 | j0rd | valdyn: thanks for the info by the way |
| 01:32.12 | Zemus | phogg: aptitude install pidgin won't work unless you're running sid, or have edited your sources.list to support backporting. Which I have not. |
| 01:32.19 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: interesting how one could hose a machine by using that factoid |
| 01:32.20 | Zemus | phogg: last time I did, I had to reinstall linux. |
| 01:32.21 | abrotman | actually .. pidgin is also in lenny |
| 01:32.29 | MangosDebian | Zemus: You could always try uncompiling from binary to source if your looking for a challange |
| 01:32.35 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: eh .. maybe using 'deb' instead of 'deb-src' ? |
| 01:32.36 | Zemus | MangosDebian: hi :) |
| 01:32.38 | valdyn | j0rd: uh, im just as lost: the +b1 postfix version is no security upgrade, i dont know why apt-get source is giving the what its giving you |
| 01:32.45 | lindenle | abrotman: im not sure i like the new gaim (read pidgin) |
| 01:32.47 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: that factoid only involves adding a deb-src entry; if you followed it correctly, you would not have had a problem. |
| 01:32.58 | j0rd | valdyn: hmm. ok |
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| 01:33.01 | abrotman | lindenle: yeah .. it has 'issues' with me :) |
| 01:33.04 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: you must have entered 'deb' instead of 'deb-src' |
| 01:33.11 | j0rd | valdyn: can i fool apt into thinking the version i compiled is the one it wants? |
| 01:33.20 | phogg | Zemus: that's what the simple sid backport is for. What part of that process is causing you trouble? |
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| 01:33.31 | Zemus | dondelelcaro: I didn't see anything about exactly *how* to edit the sources.list file. I just went with what I remembered, which is why I probably messed up. |
| 01:33.35 | dondelelcaro | arachnodactyly: you've been timed out for 10 minutes; kindly review whether what you're saying is productive before pressing enter. |
| 01:33.41 | karsten | j0rd: dpkg -i <packagename> |
| 01:33.44 | MangosDebian | Zemus: hi |
| 01:33.47 | valdyn | j0rd: you can compile gain and change the changelog first |
| 01:33.48 | karsten | j0rd: ... then set it to hold that package (interactively ini aptitude). |
| 01:33.50 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: the factoid explains exactly what to change in the sources.list file |
| 01:33.52 | numer | is the postfix version in etch supporting sovecot sasl? |
| 01:33.56 | Zemus | phogg: simple sid backport, or at least, the instructions from dkpg on that, doesn't tell you how to edit your sources.list. It just says to do it. |
| 01:33.56 | Zemus | !simple sid backport |
| 01:33.56 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
| 01:33.57 | valdyn | j0rd: debian/changelog <- that file determines version |
| 01:34.05 | karsten | j0rd: "aptitude hold <packagename>" |
| 01:34.06 | j0rd | valdyn: gotcha, i might try that |
| 01:34.13 | abrotman | Zemus: then why didn't you ask us what to add ? |
| 01:34.13 | Zemus | See? It just says to add a deb-src line. That's not complete instructions. :P |
| 01:34.15 | karsten | j0rd: Also pinning. /msg dpkg pinning |
| 01:34.24 | Zemus | abrotman: because you make me want to pee in my pants :< |
| 01:34.24 | j0rd | karsten: i've tried pinning before |
| 01:34.27 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: the very first line explains what to do; if you don't know how to add a deb-src line, you could ask. |
| 01:34.28 | phogg | Zemus: any sources.list tutorial will do. Or, man sources.list |
| 01:34.31 | abrotman | Zemus: i wasn't here yesterday .. grow up |
| 01:34.34 | j0rd | and it got me into all sorts of issues with dependancies later |
| 01:34.46 | karsten | j0rd: It can do that. |
| 01:34.49 | phogg | Zemus: the man page even has examples of a deb-src line |
| 01:35.00 | Zemus | I already have deb-src lines. |
| 01:35.00 | j0rd | i might try to mess with the changelog |
| 01:35.05 | j0rd | and see waht happens |
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| 01:35.10 | Zemus | See, it's not specifically telling me what I should add. |
| 01:35.10 | karsten | j0rd: I generally do it only at a whole-system level. If I need a specific package I'll install and hold it, noting that it may get un-held later. |
| 01:35.11 | valdyn | j0rd: you're adding your own mods? or why are you compiling? |
| 01:35.25 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: it says add a deb-src line for sid. |
| 01:35.25 | j0rd | valdyn: postfix quota patch |
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| 01:35.48 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: thus, you should have something like deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main |
| 01:35.49 | j0rd | karsten: what does a hold do? |
| 01:35.52 | phogg | Zemus: what part of 'a deb-src line for sid' do you not understand? |
| 01:35.58 | Zemus | Oh. |
| 01:36.06 | valdyn | j0rd: adding that to changelog is the right way... |
| 01:36.20 | karsten | j0rd: Prevents a package from being automatically updated. Though apt can break the hold, but it will have to tell you it's doing that and you have to approve it. |
| 01:36.21 | Zemus | phogg: I am so tempted to be a smartass with you, please stop asking stupid questions xD At least mine have a point. |
| 01:36.32 | karsten | j0rd: Hold < pin |
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| 01:36.44 | j0rd | valdyn: ya, i figure adding the quota patch wont mess up muhch, i'll just have to be carefull when apt wants to upgrade postfix that i apply the patch again |
| 01:36.50 | karsten | j0rd: APT hasn't had to implement a TKO yet. |
| 01:36.54 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: people are attempting to help you; please drop the attitude. |
| 01:37.10 | phogg | Zemus: if you stop being stupid I will ask more intelligent questions. |
| 01:37.12 | Zemus | dondelelcaro: sorry... I was just getting tired of phogg constantly poking me with a stick D: |
| 01:37.16 | j0rd | karsten: ahh....i think i'll do the changelog and then do the hold thing |
| 01:37.22 | dondelelcaro | phogg: and that's not particularly helpful either. |
| 01:37.22 | Zemus | phogg: you make me giggle |
| 01:37.23 | j0rd | karsten: that works for me, i'd be happy with that |
| 01:37.26 | j0rd | karsten: thanks |
| 01:37.28 | j0rd | valdyn: thanks |
| 01:37.29 | j0rd | :) |
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| 01:37.55 | phogg | dondelelcaro: Sorry. Irritation got the better of me. |
| 01:38.09 | dondelelcaro | phogg: yeah; /ignore is quite useful in those situtations |
| 01:38.23 | dondelelcaro | (/ignore -replies helps too) |
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| 01:38.38 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I live by the latter. |
| 01:39.05 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: does irssi log /ignores? |
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| 01:39.28 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: depends on what your logging settings are, but generally it doesn't. |
| 01:39.29 | Zemus | Ok, so I really want to create my own .deb. It shouldn't be that hard. |
| 01:39.31 | karsten | MangosDebian: "/ignore" will show you your current ignores |
| 01:39.40 | karsten | MangosDebian: Messages themselves generally aren't. |
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| 01:39.50 | Zemus | Yes or no, do I need .dsc, .diff.gz, and .orig.tar.gz files as my walkthrough at http://www.luv.asn.au/overheads/compile.html says, or can I just go off of the tar.bz2 alone? |
| 01:39.56 | MangosDebian | karsten: no, I mean if I ignore *!*@foo.com, do/can they be logged |
| 01:40.06 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: you need to just follow the instructions in the simple sid backport factoid. |
| 01:40.45 | karsten | MangosDebian: Second answer. |
| 01:40.46 | Zemus | dondelelcaro: what I mean to say is, I'd really like to create my own .deb file. Do I need .dsc, .diff.gz, and .orig.tar.gz files as my walkthrough at http://www.luv.asn.au/overheads/compile.html says, or can I just go off of the tar.bz2 alone? |
| 01:40.50 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: the third step will answer your question as to what is needed. |
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| 01:41.20 | abrotman | Zemus: you won't use that tar.gz2 at all |
| 01:41.20 | MangosDebian | karsten: ok, just wasnt sure about the "generally" part. Made it sound possible |
| 01:41.24 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: you don't *need* all three, but you *want* all three. |
| 01:41.36 | MangosDebian | abrotman: gz2? :) |
| 01:41.38 | Zemus | ok, well, the only thing I have is the tar.gz2, from the website. |
| 01:41.39 | abrotman | erm .. tar.bz2 |
| 01:41.40 | karsten | MangosDebian: Might be, I don't know, I don't set it. |
| 01:41.44 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 01:41.50 | abrotman | Zemus: we've told you numerous times not to use that |
| 01:42.02 | MangosDebian | abrotman: that day may come though |
| 01:42.10 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: yes, which is why I said to follow the simple sid backport instructions, which skips all of these questions. |
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| 01:42.14 | Zemus | So I can't compile my own .deb package from the source file on the website? |
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| 01:42.17 | domination|Ezy6 | Leonard Nimoy was instrumental in crafting the attack on #startrek20 on the IRC network irc.gamesurge.net. Using an exploit that allowed a redirect from the www.g4tv.com to the infamous Last Measure, many fatties were tricked into being Last Measured. |
| 01:42.18 | s3cTioNzzzzzzzz3 | "They turned on us," said Neal Tiles, president of G4TV. "It was like stampede at a buffet, there was nothing we could do. People were ping timing out all over the place. Mothers were calling the station asking why their children were looking at gay porno. It was a nightmare. Our moderator of the channel, Ravager|CH, tried valiantly to keep things together, but he was eventually g-lined due to massive complaints against the channel." |
| 01:42.20 | domination|Ezy6 | The overwhelming success of the operation was reflected by the failed moderator Ravager|CH own words: [23:37] <Ravager|CH> another ruined night.. |
| 01:42.21 | s3cTioNzzzzzzzz3 | About G4TV: |
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| 01:42.23 | domination|Ezy6 | Jews4Profit |
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| 01:42.41 | Vasistha | MangosDebian: I should hope they would think of a better name, rather than confusing the namespace with bz2, gz2, gz ... what a pain that would be |
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| 01:42.51 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: I can; I've no idea if you're able to or not |
| 01:43.03 | Zemus | dondelelcaro: so it's physically possible. |
| 01:43.05 | Zemus | Right? |
| 01:43.13 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: but it's certainly easier to use the version that's already packaged in sid. |
| 01:43.23 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: sure |
| 01:43.24 | MangosDebian | Vasistha: yes, such a thing would not be welcomed by most |
| 01:43.27 | Zemus | dondelelcaro: right, I understand that, I'd just like to learn how to do it from scratch :) |
| 01:43.49 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: well, learning how to do it from scratch is outside of the baliwick of this channel; you'll have to read the new maintainers guide to learn how. |
| 01:44.10 | Zemus | dondelelcaro: and by 'from scratch', we both mean, from the tar.bz2 file, right? |
| 01:44.38 | Zemus | abrotman: hahahaha |
| 01:44.52 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: I mean without refering to the already completed packaging work which has been done for you by the excellent Debian maintainers. |
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| 01:44.58 | abrotman | pidgin really isn't any better .. even worse in a few areas IMO |
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| 01:45.02 | Vasistha | or a simple sid backport, geez |
| 01:45.10 | sayers | Why isn't their a netinst here :http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 01:45.42 | dondelelcaro | sayers: they stopped the weekly builds a while ago, iirc. You're better off using the etch netinst unless you've got hardware that isn't supported |
| 01:45.53 | DawnLight | i know how to use minicom and i still can't get nothing to work. no reply from the device and when i test with a null cable from one port to another, i don't recieve any data that i send |
| 01:46.07 | sayers | I want testing dondelelcaro |
| 01:46.11 | abrotman | i think the lenny installers are still using the same kernel as etch anyways |
| 01:46.24 | dondelelcaro | sayers: you can install an etch base and upgrade to testing |
| 01:46.25 | abrotman | i think ... |
| 01:46.29 | Zemus | dondelelcaro: I see. Ok, so this entire journey has been based on someone's advice... "<simonrvn> Zemus: avoid a mess by making a deb from that stuff" and "<vorpal> Zemus: as someone already mentioned, it is well worth the effort to learn how to package stuff" |
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| 01:46.51 | Zemus | Sorry to paste, but yeah. And now after all that time, I find out that learning how to build a .deb package is beyond the scope of this channel... |
| 01:46.56 | gholm | tes |
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| 01:47.07 | abrotman | holy jeez |
| 01:47.17 | valdyn | Zemus: no it isnt |
| 01:47.27 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: simonrvn is correct, and vorpal is also correct, but asking us to spoon feed you the latter when there is extant documentation on it is kind of silly. |
| 01:47.32 | valdyn | Zemus: you'r just not understanding |
| 01:47.40 | Zemus | <dondelelcaro> Zemus: well, learning how to do it from scratch is outside of the baliwick of this channel; |
| 01:47.50 | Zemus | Can... anyone blame me at this point for being extremely confused? |
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| 01:47.57 | Zemus | There seem to be so many contradictory statements. :< |
| 01:48.03 | Orion_X11 | Zemus: If you want to use pidgin or whatever newest package go Testing. It is as simple as that :-) |
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| 01:48.35 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: we're not here to teach people how to make Debian packages. The new maintainer's guide does that, and other cahnnels exist to help you if you get stuck |
| 01:48.36 | sayers | so install etch then do the upgrade THEN install xorg and such :D |
| 01:48.48 | dondelelcaro | sayers: or do it all at once |
| 01:48.59 | Zemus | I think for someone as new to debian as I am to use the testing distribution would be insane. It pretty much says so on debian.org. xD |
| 01:49.05 | karsten | DawnLight: Sounds like you're hitting the wrong port. |
| 01:49.06 | sayers | I want to upgrade asap |
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| 01:49.18 | abrotman | Zemus: then you could just use the packages provided in stable |
| 01:49.18 | Vasistha | Zemus: you could just use one backported package, though; that's not so bad. |
| 01:49.36 | dondelelcaro | sayers: right, but you can just install a base, change the sources.list, and run aptitude and do everything at once. |
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| 01:49.46 | Zemus | Vasistha: right! Isn't there a way to use a testing package in the stable distribution? |
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| 01:49.50 | Zemus | Isn't that what backporting *is*? |
| 01:49.58 | Vasistha | !simple sid backport |
| 01:49.58 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
| 01:49.58 | sayers | dondelelcaro: Thats what im going to do ... |
| 01:49.59 | DawnLight | karsten: would you help me troubleshoot? |
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| 01:50.13 | Orion_X11 | Zemus: It is now insanity to use testing. Testing is all right for desktop, but I don't recommend it for servers. Have a go! |
| 01:50.22 | Vasistha | Zemus: erm, I assume you can do the same for testing. Of course, you can also check backports.org and see if it's there. |
| 01:50.32 | abrotman | circular conversation ... |
| 01:50.42 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: that's almost exactly what we've told you to do on at least 8 occasions. Use the source package from unstable to backport a package.. |
| 01:50.43 | Vasistha | Orion_X11: did you mean "not" rather than "now" ? |
| 01:51.00 | karsten | DawnLight: Try a different port. Try catting to and reading from both ends of the connection. |
| 01:51.16 | Orion_X11 | Vasistha: yeah! thx |
| 01:51.20 | Zemus | dondelelcaro: right. I didn't want to do it then, because I was listening to the people who were telling me to create my own .deb. Now that I know better, I'm quite willing to try the backporting. |
| 01:51.25 | karsten | DawnLight: Might also check your setserial values and BIOS to see that yoru com ports are configured. |
| 01:51.37 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: they were telling you to create your own .deb, because that's what backporting does |
| 01:52.12 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: you take the source package from unstable and compile it into a .deb which is built against stable. |
| 01:52.46 | Zemus | dondelelcaro: cool. |
| 01:52.55 | Zemus | Ok, well, I'll attempt to backport it now. |
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| 01:54.12 | dondelelcaro | and in the future, odds are that we're not actually being contradictory. In cases where we appear to be contradictory, it's often a case where the vernacular is just unknown to you |
| 01:54.25 | Zemus | >.> |
| 01:54.56 | MangosDebian | Zemus: gl |
| 01:54.56 | Zemus | I'll publish a funny little book of times when you directly contradict eachother, but until then... alright. ;) |
| 01:55.01 | Zemus | gl? |
| 01:55.11 | MangosDebian | !wtf gl |
| 01:55.13 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what gl means... |
| 01:55.20 | MangosDebian | bah, Good Luck |
| 01:55.24 | karsten | !gl |
| 01:55.24 | dpkg | it has been said that gl is Graphics Language or -Generation Language.(ask me about openGL), or good luck, or the country code for Groenland |
| 01:55.42 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: if we're contradicting eachother, you'll see us arguing with eachother. |
| 01:55.52 | Zemus | dondelelcaro: ok :D |
| 01:55.53 | dondelelcaro | that pretty much didn't happen here |
| 01:56.04 | karsten | dondelelcaro: No you wont! |
| 01:56.14 | MangosDebian | we have a lovely argument protocol here :) |
| 01:56.32 | Zemus | From the sources.list man pages: The deb type describes a typical two-level Debian archive, distribution/component. |
| 01:56.37 | Zemus | What is meant by 'component'? |
| 01:56.50 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: main, contrib, non-free, etc. |
| 01:56.56 | Zemus | ... |
| 01:57.03 | Zemus | That answer made no sense to me. |
| 01:57.14 | Zemus | Could you put it into a complete sentence, and define the terms that new people might not understand? |
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| 01:57.17 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: those three things are the components that the Debian archive uses. |
| 01:57.28 | Zemus | Oh. |
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| 01:59.50 | karsten | Zemus: Debian archives are divided by the type of package. See Debian Policy for the full definitions. |
| 01:59.53 | Zemus | !simple sid backports |
| 01:59.57 | Zemus | >.> It's ignoring me. |
| 02:00.01 | karsten | Zemus: /msg the bots |
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| 02:00.07 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 02:00.14 | Zemus | ahhh. without the s. cool. |
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| 02:00.35 | Zemus | Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. |
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| 02:00.53 | Zemus | That's the part that I'm not quite sure how to do. I skimmed the man pages for sources.list, but... I'm not 100% positive what I'm doing. |
| 02:01.06 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: I gave you an example about 60 lines earlier |
| 02:01.09 | abrotman | Zemus: dondelelcaro already told you what to add |
| 02:01.27 | Zemus | I thought that was just an example. |
| 02:01.46 | hardbop200 | I'm running out of disk space on /, and I'm trying to figure out what's eating it up. I've done du -h, but that lists *everything*. any way to get the top 10 offenders? |
| 02:01.46 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: it's an example, because I don't know what mirror is fastest for you. |
| 02:01.50 | Zemus | I see. |
| 02:01.56 | Zemus | I could probably use the mirror already listed...? |
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| 02:02.02 | Zemus | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
| 02:02.02 | RoC_MasterMind | hardbop200, kdirstat |
| 02:02.03 | Zemus | Right? |
| 02:02.13 | Vasistha | hardbop200: try du -sc, and narrow it down from the top |
| 02:02.20 | RoC_MasterMind | hardbop200, or "baobob" |
| 02:02.33 | hardbop200 | RoC_MasterMind, Vasistha - thanks for the quick answer! :) I'll try those |
| 02:02.41 | Vasistha | hardbop200: or, du -s * |
| 02:02.54 | RoC_MasterMind | the treemap in kdirstat/windirstat is cool |
| 02:03.05 | Zemus | ok, so deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main? |
| 02:03.32 | Zemus | or rather... deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main? |
| 02:03.36 | Zemus | IS that what I should add? |
| 02:03.48 | Vasistha | RoC_MasterMind: is it anything like konqueror's FSView plugin? |
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| 02:04.08 | RoC_MasterMind | never used that... |
| 02:04.13 | karsten | hardbop200: 'du -s /* | sort -k1nr,1' |
| 02:04.25 | Zemus | dondelelcaro: deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main? |
| 02:04.38 | karsten | hardbop200: You might also want to look at filelight. Or if you want to find the largest used files... |
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| 02:04.40 | Vasistha | Zemus: that should work fine, if you don't care about mirror speed. Of course you're probably only doing this once, so it's not too terribly important |
| 02:04.46 | Zemus | Is that going to work? I assume I'll need to write the same thing above it, but without "deb-src"... just "deb". |
| 02:04.54 | Zemus | Vasistha: thanks |
| 02:04.58 | Vasistha | Zemus: you don't need the 'deb' line |
| 02:05.07 | stew | Zemus: you don't want to add a deb line |
| 02:05.09 | Zemus | Vasistha: awesome. Why not? |
| 02:05.25 | stew | Zemus: becuase you don't want to install binary packages from unstable |
| 02:05.27 | abrotman | because that's how you screwed up your box yesterday :) |
| 02:05.32 | Vasistha | Zemus: because you want to backport the package from sources, not install the sid version with the wrong dependencies |
| 02:05.34 | Zemus | abrotman: ahhh. |
| 02:05.48 | Zemus | Vasistha: that makes sense. Thanks. |
| 02:05.48 | stew | Zemus: what are you running now? fiesty fawn or whatever its called? |
| 02:05.52 | karsten | hardbop200: ... trying to find a friend's script for that... |
| 02:05.54 | Zemus | >.> |
| 02:05.57 | Zemus | Etch debian linux 4.0. |
| 02:06.03 | Zemus | stew: lmao |
| 02:06.53 | j0rd | valdyn: that worked (Y) |
| 02:07.00 | j0rd | changing the changelog |
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| 02:07.12 | Zemus | so deb is for binaries, and deb-src is just for packages? |
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| 02:07.32 | stew | Zemus: deb is for binary packages, deb-src is for source packages |
| 02:07.47 | Zemus | And the difference between binary and source is...? |
| 02:08.09 | Vasistha | oh, dear |
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| 02:08.28 | stew | Zemus: binary packages have been compiled, source packages are the .tar.gz from the original author and maybe a debian diff |
| 02:08.40 | karsten | hardbop200: Magick with find and sort, basically. I prefer the 'du -s * | sort approach myself. |
| 02:09.22 | hardbop200 | karsten: kdirstat showed me that /usr/src/* was the main offender! |
| 02:09.22 | karsten | Zemus: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html |
| 02:09.22 | hardbop200 | I have to quit compiling kernels ;) |
| 02:09.22 | stew | Zemus: the source packages are what you need if you want to recreate the binary package or, in your case compile the binary package against a different set of ibraries |
| 02:09.24 | Vasistha | hardbop200: or at least clean up after yourself |
| 02:09.32 | karsten | hardbop200: That sounds similar to filelight. |
| 02:09.51 | edju | Before I google it and really mess things, is it possible somehow to boot a lappie from the network so I can run qtparted on the hd? Not asking for a howto, just is it somehow possible? |
| 02:10.14 | Vasistha | edju: it ought to be |
| 02:10.44 | karsten | edju: Yes. PXE boot, either supported in your NIC directly or via a PXE boot floppie (or USB) image. |
| 02:11.23 | karsten | hardbop200: Try filelight, I think you'll like it. |
| 02:11.45 | edju | karsten, Good. So, I boot qtparted on the server, then boot the lap off of that? |
| 02:11.56 | karsten | hardbop200: ... though I think kdirstat's got its neat bits too. |
| 02:12.12 | karsten | edju: Um, not quite, I think. |
| 02:12.26 | Zemus | Ok, I've added the deb-src line... and updated apt-get... |
| 02:12.39 | Zemus | How do I get the package? Because it says there's no package named 'pidgin' when I apt-get install pidgin. |
| 02:12.59 | stew | Zemus: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 02:13.07 | karsten | ejFrankly, if you cn boot Knoppix or similar, I'd do that. You'd pxeboot a Linux instance which includes qparted and ru that. Might be a mini-distro, might be something more full-fledged. |
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| 02:13.33 | karsten | Zemus: apt-get source <pakcgename> |
| 02:13.55 | abrotman | karsten: be an instructions barbie! |
| 02:13.59 | karsten | Zemus: That grabs the package sources to yoru PWD. |
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| 02:14.17 | edju | karsten, You mean on the lap? It won't read a cd-r, so I can't boot from a burned cd. |
| 02:14.18 | karsten | !be a abrotman barbie |
| 02:14.19 | dpkg | Aww, abrotman is HARD! Let's go shopping, karsten |
| 02:14.20 | Zemus | cool. thanks. |
| 02:15.11 | karsten | edju: Well, sorting out what you can or cannot boot is sort of your issue. If you've got USB or firewire you've got a few options for getting stuff running, including USB CDs or USB sticks. |
| 02:15.13 | Zemus | !simple sid backport |
| 02:15.13 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
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| 02:15.17 | Zemus | I typed "apt-get build-dep pidgin;apt-get -b source pidgin" |
| 02:15.30 | Zemus | I got this. Build command 'cd pidgin-2.0.2 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed. |
| 02:15.30 | Zemus | E: Child process failed |
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| 02:16.16 | Vasistha | Zemus: why don't you pastebin the entire output |
| 02:16.18 | Vasistha | !paster |
| 02:16.18 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 02:16.23 | Zemus | Vasistha: good idea. |
| 02:16.24 | Noboru | good morning,guys |
| 02:16.28 | Zemus | Noboru: morning :) |
| 02:16.35 | karsten | !tell Zemus about self-tell |
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| 02:16.48 | Zemus | I already know, I just wanted you to see it in context. Thanks anyway. |
| 02:17.10 | karsten | Zemus: We've seen it. Repeatedly. |
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| 02:17.15 | Vasistha | Zemus: ah. well, we know what the factoid says, so we don't need to see it -- we know what you're doing, and we'll recognize the command |
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| 02:17.38 | Vasistha | "you are being watched" teehee |
| 02:17.41 | Zemus | karsten: In my experience, the more #debian sees what I type, the more it needs to see it. More. Because it forgets. A lot. |
| 02:17.42 | sayers | hello |
| 02:17.50 | sayers | I think I sucessfuly installed Lenny |
| 02:17.59 | sayers | but I need to start a new kernel I believe |
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| 02:18.06 | Vasistha | sayers: congrats. cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:18.09 | stew | Zemus: then put what you typed in, and the output into a pastebin |
| 02:18.47 | Vasistha | sayers: ah, that might not happen automatically -- you may need to manually select and install an appropriate kernel, and you'll definitely need to reboot |
| 02:18.59 | Vasistha | (erm, that is, if you want to be running the new kernel) |
| 02:19.01 | sayers | Yep |
| 02:19.16 | Zemus | stew: that issue has been addressed. Thanks anyway. It is not out of 'attitude' that I suggest you read things before you respond to them. It saves time, and creates less spam for the channel. :) |
| 02:19.36 | abrotman | hahah |
| 02:19.38 | Zemus | So, does anyone have any actual ideas concerning my issue? |
| 02:19.43 | abrotman | pot .. kettle |
| 02:19.43 | Zemus | abrotman: ;) |
| 02:19.47 | Zemus | abrotman: truly. |
| 02:20.14 | Zemus | So, does anyone have any actual ideas concerning my issue? |
| 02:20.15 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 02:20.15 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 02:20.16 | abrotman | if only you had accepted my offer of help hours ago ... |
| 02:20.22 | stew | Zemus: showus |
| 02:20.30 | stew | Zemus: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 02:20.31 | abrotman | Zemus: we need to see the actual errror .. you're not giving us *anything* to go with |
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| 02:20.44 | Vasistha | Zemus: did you pastebin as requested? |
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| 02:20.52 | Zemus | valdyn, you are an idiot :D I have blocked you. I already showed the actual error. You are one of few to make my /ignore list. I congratulate you. :) |
| 02:20.56 | sayers | Alright what is the command I'd need to do |
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| 02:21.07 | sayers | to check if this is working. |
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| 02:21.11 | stew | Zemus: you've been silenced for 10 minutes, please try to keep it constructive in the future |
| 02:22.10 | solitude | hmm |
| 02:22.16 | solitude | what is dpkg written in? |
| 02:23.01 | valdyn | solitude: perl |
| 02:23.01 | stew | solitude: perl, http;//blootbot.sourceforge.net or apt-cache show blootbot |
| 02:23.14 | abrotman | solitude: did you mean the bot .. or the application ? |
| 02:23.21 | solitude | the bot |
| 02:23.29 | solitude | Thanks :) |
| 02:23.34 | Kjikaqawej | crazy ghost person... |
| 02:24.04 | ricky | Aww, but /usr/bin/dpkg isn't a Perl script :( |
| 02:24.11 | ricky | Oh, the bot- gah! |
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| 02:24.56 | sayers | Hm |
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| 02:29.04 | eldowan | I installed nfs-user-server today, and when I show the package its version is: 2.2beta47-23 . I thought that nfs was current in versions 3 and more recently 4. Is the etch package really v2 or is it a name convention that is obscuring the true version? |
| 02:29.37 | cafuego | eldowan: NFSv3 and NFSv4 would be nfs-kernel-server, not the userspace one. |
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| 02:29.46 | eldowan | cafuego: aah. thanks. |
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| 02:30.02 | semprix | !info artwiz |
| 02:30.08 | sayers | I guess it's back to fluxbox untill I can choose what Enviornment I want |
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| 02:30.27 | cafuego | eldowan: If you don't need ugidd, just use the kernel one, it's much faster as well. |
| 02:30.52 | Vasistha | sayers: you're trying to choose a DE? |
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| 02:31.14 | Vasistha | stew: it's been 10 mins for Zemus |
| 02:31.18 | eldowan | cafuego: I don't know what ugidd is, so I probably don't need it. |
| 02:31.21 | semprix | how do i install artwiz fonts on debian? |
| 02:31.22 | Vasistha | Zemus: valdyn is actually a really helpful and intelligent guy. you should unignore him. But, see, we all like to have fun -- and making little jokes with dpkg factoids, etc., keeps us entertained when people ask annoying questions and don't give us the real information we request |
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| 02:31.41 | sayers | Vasistha: yes |
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| 02:32.09 | Vasistha | semprix: hmm, it looks like it is only available in oldstable and unstable :P http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=artwiz&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
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| 02:32.53 | semprix | yeah |
| 02:33.01 | semprix | im afraid it is. |
| 02:33.05 | semprix | so how can i install it? |
| 02:33.20 | semprix | from source? |
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| 02:34.03 | semprix | manual installtion |
| 02:34.07 | eldowan | cafuego: I'm going to try the kernelspace server for NFS now, but the version showing is: 1:1.0.10-6 . How would I go about finding the true version of the software? (not that I distrust your word) |
| 02:34.08 | sayers | Vasistha: its a hard choice |
| 02:34.25 | cafuego | eldowan: That is completely dependent on your kernel version. |
| 02:34.31 | Vasistha | semprix: well, I would imagine that, for a font, you could probably just install the sid binary ... so you'd want to figure out the pinning and stuff. |
| 02:34.41 | eldowan | cafuego: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 02:34.52 | semprix | Vasistha, copy that ;) |
| 02:34.53 | semprix | thank you |
| 02:34.58 | cafuego | eldowan: that'll happily do nfsv3 (4 is somewhat experimental afaik) |
| 02:35.04 | eldowan | cafuego: and I'm in etch. |
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| 02:35.26 | eldowan | cafuego: good to know, but how would I be able to find this outside of the channel? |
| 02:35.31 | cafuego | eldowan: it may or may not print an internal version when the nfsd.ko is loaded |
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| 02:35.43 | eldowan | cafuego: aah. got you |
| 02:35.49 | cafuego | eldowan: otherwise, you may need to check the source |
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| 02:40.12 | sayers | Orion_X11: Hello. How do I do an update |
| 02:40.27 | Zemus | Testing. |
| 02:40.37 | Zemus | :> |
| 02:40.38 | sayers | It works |
| 02:40.39 | marchon | apt-get update? |
| 02:40.51 | Vasistha | sayers: I do: apt-get update && aptitude upgrade |
| 02:41.19 | marchon | hi all - have a strange problem. |
| 02:41.26 | marchon | THIS BREAKS: dpkg -i libxml-writer-perl |
| 02:41.37 | sayers | Vasistha: im gonna a shell script |
| 02:41.40 | marchon | dpkg: error processing libxml-writer-perl (--install): |
| 02:41.40 | marchon | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.40 | marchon | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 02:41.40 | marchon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:41.40 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 02:41.52 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:41.55 | marchon | ouch. |
| 02:41.57 | marchon | that hurt. |
| 02:42.00 | eldowan | marchon: !paster |
| 02:42.00 | eldowan | :D |
| 02:42.01 | abrotman | marchon: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 02:42.06 | regulate | marchon: the full filename |
| 02:42.24 | Vasistha | sayers: you're missing a verb in your sentence, there |
| 02:42.27 | ivan` | Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] ? |
| 02:42.27 | ivan` | Commands: |
| 02:42.27 | ivan` | zsh: segmentation fault aptitude upgrade |
| 02:42.48 | regulate | hah |
| 02:42.52 | eldowan | ivan`: have you tried with sh or bash? |
| 02:42.53 | marchon | dpkg -i libxml-writer-perl_0.603-1_all.deb |
| 02:42.56 | ivan` | nope |
| 02:43.05 | ivan` | should I? |
| 02:43.11 | Vasistha | KABOOM! aspell doesn't like the spelling, 'speen'. A few suggestions: spleen, spine, peen, seen, spawn, spurn, Span, [...] |
| 02:43.12 | regulate | yes |
| 02:43.12 | sayers | Vasistha: indeed |
| 02:43.13 | eldowan | ivan`: not sure, but I might think of trying that. |
| 02:43.22 | ivan` | i just did Y instead |
| 02:43.23 | sayers | Vasistha: but it's so simple to do waste of time upgrading |
| 02:43.33 | marchon | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.33 | marchon | Segmentation fault |
| 02:43.47 | ivan` | everyone is segfaulting today |
| 02:43.48 | Vasistha | sayers: I have a little script I wrote that I could share with you, if you like |
| 02:43.53 | abrotman | marchon: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 02:44.06 | abrotman | marchon: do you have that package in your $PWD ? |
| 02:44.16 | sayers | Vasistha: sure but first my Clock is off :( |
| 02:44.35 | marchon | have it in the current directory. |
| 02:44.45 | marchon | it breaks on 2 ETCH machines |
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| 02:45.37 | sayers | Vasistha: oops |
| 02:45.51 | Vasistha | sayers: http://david9.freepgs.com/bash/Apt-update.sh |
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| 02:50.20 | sayers | Vasistha: okay Desktop Enviornment :( now I can't |
| 02:50.52 | Vasistha | sayers: no comprende broken english :P |
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| 02:51.23 | sayers | Vasistha: Amazingly enough I type these things and then re-read them. Then I think to myself, what? |
| 02:51.30 | Vasistha | haha |
| 02:54.48 | sayers | Vasistha: but theres to many choices |
| 02:55.11 | Vasistha | sayers: do you like flux? |
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| 02:55.36 | sayers | Vasistha: not really ;p |
| 02:55.46 | Vasistha | sayers: what do you want from your DE? |
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| 02:57.52 | sayers | Vasistha: Lots of features, good looks, decent weight [ i can run hard things but I'd rather keep it light ] , high productivity, fully customizable, and simple |
| 02:58.13 | Vasistha | sayers: lots of features and good looks makes me think kde |
| 02:58.20 | sayers | Vasistha: me too. |
| 02:58.28 | sayers | Vasistha: but I don't know. |
| 02:58.31 | Vasistha | sayers: I run kde on my 333 MHz box here with 192 MB ram. |
| 02:58.49 | sayers | I need to just customize KDE |
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| 02:58.54 | Vasistha | how can one go cook dinner with such a pretty song playing on the radio? |
| 02:58.54 | sayers | um |
| 02:59.07 | sayers | !kde |
| 02:59.08 | dpkg | from memory, kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde, or ask me about <kde_trouble> |
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| 02:59.19 | Aaarrgh | i'm having some trouble with my initrd apparently. when i try to boot i receive the "waiting on root file system" error. i'm in a livecd now with a terminal chrooted into my lenny install. can someone help me rebuild my initrd? |
| 02:59.25 | sayers | apt-get install KDE ? |
| 02:59.31 | Vasistha | sayers: hmm, someone once gave me some advice for streamlining kde. I haven't followed it, but I have recommended it to people. |
| 02:59.40 | Vasistha | sayers: you could do that, although first of all, I would recommend using aptitude |
| 02:59.50 | sayers | and why is that |
| 02:59.56 | Vasistha | sayers: especially since you've got a new installation, it is a perfect time to set your system up with aptitude. |
| 02:59.58 | Vasistha | !why aptitude |
| 02:59.58 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 03:00.57 | sayers | Alright well im installing such things with aptitude |
| 03:01.01 | Aaarrgh | sayers: and it works like a drop in replacement for apt-get as well as a curses based gui when called without any arguments |
| 03:01.03 | sayers | and if it works better it's easy to use |
| 03:01.04 | files | hello, anyone know about a rss reader that will stay on the notify area (systray) to alert me of new feeds? |
| 03:01.18 | files | I tried yarssr but it's not working very nicely |
| 03:01.23 | Vasistha | sayers: I tend to go in and grab one kde package, for example kate, and that will pull in all the vital dependencies -- rather than installing absolutely everything kde |
| 03:01.26 | Aaarrgh | files: akkregate |
| 03:01.31 | magyar | got a problem with aptitude on lenny, it freezes |
| 03:01.37 | solitude | lol at kde |
| 03:01.43 | lymeca | I had a ~8GB ISO file I split into two with 7-zip so I could burn it onto two DVD-5s. The two files have extension .7z.001 and .7z.002. I try running "7z x *.7z.001" and at the end of the process is a single large ~8GB .7z file which the file command tells me is a "7-zip archive data, version 0.2" but it can't be read by any archiving program, not even 7z. How can I correctly extract the ISO? |
| 03:02.09 | sayers | Vasistha: well it works fine |
| 03:02.23 | files | Aaarrgh, that doesn't seem to be on apt-get, is that on unstable? |
| 03:02.28 | Vasistha | sayers: whatever suits you |
| 03:03.15 | Supaplex | why is /dev/hdc1 in /proc/mounts - but umount /dev/hdc1 says it's not mounted? |
| 03:03.26 | files | I couldn't even find it at google, actually |
| 03:03.31 | Supaplex | humm mtab maybe. |
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| 03:03.53 | Vasistha | files: try akregator |
| 03:04.12 | Supaplex | nope, still there. |
| 03:04.53 | files | hm, thanks, let me see it |
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| 03:06.08 | Aaarrgh | files: see what vasistha said |
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| 03:16.54 | acu | I have to install Digest on Postgresql 8.2 running on Debian Etch - I have installed postgresql-contrib-8.2 how should I enable this digest> pgcrypto.sql ? |
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| 03:18.11 | numer | which package contains mysql.h in the mysql development packages? |
| 03:18.37 | dondelelcaro | numer: libmysqlclient-dev; but /msg dpkg search; so you can find out for yourself. |
| 03:18.49 | dondelelcaro | s/-/15-/ |
| 03:19.09 | files | I've always had problems with kde programs, there are always a little glitch in the windows |
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| 03:20.08 | dotz | i getting error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.7 , which package should i install? |
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| 03:20.24 | numer | dondelelcaro it seems to be a virtual package so without 15 it worked, but /msg dpkg search doesn't work |
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| 03:24.00 | Sayers | Hm |
| 03:24.10 | dondelelcaro | !tell numer -about search |
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| 03:24.21 | Sayers | Don't really like kde... or gnome |
| 03:24.32 | dondelelcaro | Sayers: so don't use either. I don't. |
| 03:24.45 | Sayers | dondelelcaro: then what do I use :p |
| 03:24.59 | vorpal | ratpoison |
| 03:25.00 | dondelelcaro | Sayers: a window manager; that's all you really need anyway |
| 03:25.00 | numer | dondelelcaro yes, but /msg command was usedabove |
| 03:25.20 | Sayers | Can I remove KDE? |
| 03:25.32 | Guerin | Sayers: you have our permission. |
| 03:25.46 | dondelelcaro | numer: the point is that dpkg told you about packages.debian.org and apt-file (and /msg dpkg find) which you could use to locate which package has mysql.h on your own |
| 03:26.17 | Sayers | Guerin: Not like that. How do I :P |
| 03:26.23 | vorpal | although xfce and windowmaker are also reasonable |
| 03:26.25 | Jubeiii | Question, I downloaded the 3 dvd iso images on debian.org, loaded dvd1 and installed the os... it installed gnome among other things but of course I have NO packages.... Im trying to load discs two and three but they will not boot.. when i browse there contents.. there are readme.txt and autorun.bin files.. how do i get the content on disc 2 and 3 installed? |
| 03:26.36 | dondelelcaro | numer: so instead of asking us, in the future you can go /msg dpkg find mysql.h etch; or whatever you prefer |
| 03:26.59 | Guerin | Sayers: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 03:27.04 | dondelelcaro | Jubeiii: run apt-cdrom and load them, then use aptitude to install whatever packages from them you want |
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| 03:27.40 | Jubeiii | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 03:28.18 | files | every program I use that uses qt have this kinda glitches in the window: www.dcc.ufmg.br/~rafaelc/screen.jpg does anyone know what could it be? |
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| 03:28.29 | files | am I missing some package? |
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| 03:29.40 | dondelelcaro | files: I'm not seeing the glitches |
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| 03:30.45 | ampex | does anyone know of a good command line utility to display network throughput per alias IP address? |
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| 03:31.54 | files | dondelelcaro, those things in article and date |
| 03:31.59 | files | little vertical bars |
| 03:32.09 | dondelelcaro | files: that kind of looks like whatever qt theme you've got installed is doing that |
| 03:32.22 | dondelelcaro | files: try picking a different one to see if it goes away |
| 03:33.20 | files | well, it doesn't always do that, only if I resize the window a couple times those happen |
| 03:33.25 | Agrajag- | before i file a bug, does anyone know why pulseaudio 0.9.6-1 is in unstable, but padevchooser is still 0.9.3-1? in testing, there's 0.9.5 of pulseaudio, and padevchooser 0.9.3-1, which doesn't work with pulseaudio 0.9.5 |
| 03:33.38 | files | it's the default qt theme, let me find out how I change it |
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| 03:34.11 | dondelelcaro | files: ah; that probably is a bug then |
| 03:34.29 | dondelelcaro | files: I personally haven't seen that, though. |
| 03:35.13 | Guerin | Agrajag-: unstable is like it says; check BTS || file |
| 03:35.14 | dondelelcaro | Agrajag-: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=pulseaudio |
| 03:35.15 | files | that always happen to me, all the computers I've tried. I never installed kde, though, so I wonder if I'm missing a package or something like that |
| 03:35.28 | semprix | debian is great :) |
| 03:35.29 | dondelelcaro | files: yeah, it wouldn't be a missing package that would cause that |
| 03:35.44 | semprix | i have a live desktop up and running in less than 2 hours with all the apps i need ;) |
| 03:36.02 | Guerin | semprix: took your time ;) |
| 03:36.24 | Agrajag- | dondelelcaro: yeah i've seen that link already. im using testing, which is how i know it's not working, and that there's no newer version of padevchooser in unstable than in testing |
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| 03:37.01 | Guerin | Agrajag-: then the bug should say `can someone upload a new package?' |
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| 03:37.13 | Agrajag- | ok, i'll do that then, ta |
| 03:37.28 | Guerin | check first |
| 03:37.39 | Guerin | there might be one in incoming or a bug might prevent it from going in |
| 03:37.58 | dondelelcaro | yeah, doesn't look like there's a bug for padevchooser |
| 03:38.10 | dondelelcaro | but there is a bug filed about the FTBFS that is blocking pulseaudio |
| 03:38.22 | Guerin | mm, that would do it |
| 03:38.28 | semprix | yeah :) |
| 03:38.43 | semprix | with gentoo im tweaking my desktop for two fucking day :( |
| 03:38.52 | Guerin | semprix: that's fast |
| 03:39.06 | Guerin | !gentoosmite semprix |
| 03:39.31 | semprix | yeah pretty fast |
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| 03:41.10 | ricky | Hehe. |
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| 03:49.36 | files | what people I know that use gentoo claim is that they have a bunch of options when compiling. They can chose exactly what to leave out from the packages with that USE system. I reasoned with them that doing like that is easier to have a buggy system, they didn't seem to agree with me though. |
| 03:50.00 | files | those flamewars never lead anywhere, I don't know why I eventually get caught up in one |
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| 03:50.09 | sayers | Is their an alternative to fluxbox :p |
| 03:50.17 | Azar | I wish I know how to compile.... |
| 03:50.25 | dondelelcaro | sayers: openbox, blackbox, ion, wmii, dwm, ratpoison, etc. |
| 03:50.36 | sayers | :o |
| 03:50.43 | semprix | sayers, fluxbox is really |
| 03:50.55 | sayers | semprix: really what? |
| 03:51.23 | Azar | I am for more than 3 years on Debian and I still miss a lot of things |
| 03:51.53 | semprix | really cool |
| 03:52.13 | semprix | its very lite |
| 03:52.21 | sayers | semprix: true but I don't know what file managers that work well with and cd burners etc etc etc etc * 6 |
| 03:52.22 | files | I like fluxbox too |
| 03:52.35 | semprix | sayers use nautilus |
| 03:52.41 | semprix | cd burners use nero |
| 03:52.46 | semprix | or gnome-baker |
| 03:52.59 | dondelelcaro | sayers: the best filemanger, the commandline, works quite well. For cd burning, use wodim, for dvds, use growisofs |
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| 03:53.06 | files | I use k3b for cdburner |
| 03:53.19 | semprix | i use nero or gnome-baker |
| 03:53.22 | files | sometimes I use cdrecord straight from command line also |
| 03:53.31 | sayers | dondelelcaro: I guess |
| 03:53.32 | Azar | cdrecord is fuxed |
| 03:53.34 | files | I didn't know there was nero for linux |
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| 03:53.44 | semprix | files, there is |
| 03:53.49 | dondelelcaro | well, pretty much everything actually uses wodim |
| 03:53.51 | Azar | mine requires a kernel no higher than a 2.4 series and does not do scsi |
| 03:54.07 | level1 | whats wrong with k3b? I don't use it much, but I hear so many good things about it |
| 03:54.07 | sayers | So I should just learn the terminal better |
| 03:54.11 | files | semprix, it's not free software, is it? |
| 03:54.14 | semprix | http://www.nero.com/eng/NeroLINUX.html |
| 03:54.20 | semprix | nope its not |
| 03:54.27 | semprix | you are going to purchase the serial i think |
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| 03:54.32 | level1 | Its almost impossible to burn an iso in windows... |
| 03:54.40 | Azar | semprix: there are lots of good free alternatives to Nero |
| 03:54.45 | files | oh, I rather use k3b |
| 03:54.49 | semprix | well yeah :) |
| 03:54.51 | sayers | level1: so treu |
| 03:54.51 | dondelelcaro | Azar: hrm; I haven't had a problem with wodim doing scsii... but since IDE burners have become almost rediculously inexpensive, I haven't purchased one since when plextor was on top |
| 03:54.53 | files | it already does everything that I need |
| 03:54.54 | sayers | true* |
| 03:55.07 | MangosDebian | how do you tell if a kernel is tainted? |
| 03:55.14 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: dmesg will tell you |
| 03:55.18 | MangosDebian | thanks |
| 03:55.21 | semprix | k3b is a KDE based right? |
| 03:55.26 | files | yes |
| 03:55.27 | semprix | well gnome-baker is also good |
| 03:55.33 | files | I never used it |
| 03:55.36 | sayers | dondelelcaro: but sometimes I don't want to have to type my file system |
| 03:55.53 | files | I actually use cdrecord most of the time, since I usually just burn .iso images |
| 03:56.10 | files | but when I want to do something fencier I use k3b |
| 03:56.13 | Azar | dondelelcaro: I haven't tried wodim because I am still idling with sarge... I can't use gnome or kde burners because.. I dont use gnome or kde, and cdburner works only on a 2.4.27 kernel of sarge (which fixes the scsi limitation) |
| 03:56.22 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: that the only way? loop_twofish says it tainted the kernel when I ran the loop-aes tests |
| 03:56.24 | level1 | um, I'm trying to install debian on a usb flash drive for offline management and some other stuff... I'm installing parts of kde, but I want to save space by not installing gnome, so I can keep it under 1GB. Can I get gparted on there, or can I use qtparted, or am I better off just messing with the command line? |
| 03:56.33 | sayers | dondelelcaro: but I do feel like a better linux user |
| 03:56.43 | level1 | My primary goal is not making a mistake when reformatting. |
| 03:56.58 | sayers | level1: Fluxbox |
| 03:57.04 | level1 | I don't want to install a whole bunch of gnome libraries just to get gparted |
| 03:57.29 | sayers | !clock |
| 03:57.29 | dpkg | clock is, like, a device which reads out the time |
| 03:57.31 | files | Azar, you don't need kde to install k3b |
| 03:57.38 | sayers | How do I fix my clock in Fluxbox? |
| 03:57.44 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: loop_twofish: no version for "loop_unregister_transfer" found: kernel tainted. |
| 03:57.44 | Azar | files: really, does it work at command line? |
| 03:57.49 | files | no |
| 03:57.57 | files | you need qt |
| 03:57.59 | MangosDebian | doesnt seem like that should have tainted it, but meh |
| 03:57.59 | level1 | dpkg is so helpful |
| 03:58.07 | Azar | files: what is qt? |
| 03:58.09 | sayers | yes.... |
| 03:58.14 | files | but not the whole kde desktop environment |
| 03:58.38 | files | qt is the gui library kde uses |
| 03:58.39 | level1 | Azar: how much space do you have? kde isn't that much, if you have a large hard drive like most people have these days |
| 03:58.57 | marchon | if you have a running debian system - is there a way to reinstall all of the packages and start again? |
| 03:59.04 | Azar | level1: is not about space, I only use 3% of my entire disk, is just I do not want a desktop |
| 03:59.07 | level1 | marchon: reinstall? |
| 03:59.24 | marchon | --- I have broken package management |
| 03:59.25 | level1 | Azar: what you have a war against kde? just install the packages |
| 03:59.41 | marchon | and cant force it |
| 03:59.53 | files | you don't need to use everything you install :) |
| 04:00.02 | Azar | level1: I dont want zillion of stuff I will never use... that why I would prefer a simple command line burner... like cdrecord |
| 04:00.05 | marchon | dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `libxml-parser-perl' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 04:00.11 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: yeah, that's not really a big deal |
| 04:00.15 | marchon | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.26 | marchon | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault. |
| 04:00.48 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: kinda what I figured. Not like I use twofish nor will I be running the test suite every boot though |
| 04:00.52 | marchon | any ideas? |
| 04:00.55 | xsdg | Azar: I haven't been following the conversation, but wodim should be in sarge as "cdrecord" |
| 04:01.01 | files | Azar, cdrecord is good, but when you need to make a iso image before burning or when you're going to burn a music cd |
| 04:01.06 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: it's just telling you that because it has no version field, which usually means that it's not GPL compliant. |
| 04:01.07 | files | cdrecord starts to be a pain |
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| 04:01.13 | sayers | Azar: do you use the link web browser :p |
| 04:01.19 | dondelelcaro | files: you don't have to, actually. |
| 04:01.28 | level1 | sayers: isn't it lynx? |
| 04:01.34 | sayers | no |
| 04:01.35 | sayers | links |
| 04:01.40 | level1 | oh |
| 04:01.42 | xsdg | level1, sayers: you're both right |
| 04:01.42 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: I wouldnt be surprised it the license for it is compatible, just a missing field then i guess |
| 04:01.43 | files | dondelelcaro, I don't have to what? |
| 04:01.49 | dondelelcaro | files: create an iso image in either case. |
| 04:01.52 | level1 | xsdg: are they different programs? |
| 04:01.55 | MangosDebian | thanks |
| 04:01.55 | xsdg | level1: yes |
| 04:02.12 | xsdg | level1: to be complete, there are lynx, links, elinks, and links2 |
| 04:02.21 | xsdg | (in addition to w3m and a few others) |
| 04:02.22 | semprix | guys |
| 04:02.26 | semprix | whats this error? |
| 04:02.29 | semprix | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 04:02.35 | files | hm, the only way that I knew about recording a directory with several files on cdrecord was using mkisofs first |
| 04:02.51 | level1 | xsdg: are there any command line irc clients? might come in handy if my system breaks |
| 04:02.55 | xsdg | semprix: are you root? |
| 04:02.59 | semprix | yes |
| 04:03.00 | sayers | level1: irssi |
| 04:03.02 | xsdg | level1: I (always) use irssi |
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| 04:03.11 | semprix | whoami |
| 04:03.11 | semprix | root |
| 04:03.15 | dondelelcaro | sayers: that means you're running another dpkg or you're not root. |
| 04:03.20 | files | semprix, are you already running apt-get? |
| 04:03.20 | xsdg | semprix: are you running aptitude or another instance of apt/dpkg? |
| 04:03.28 | sayers | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 04:03.31 | semprix | files, yes |
| 04:03.38 | files | that's your problem |
| 04:03.38 | dondelelcaro | sayers: should be to semprix; sorry. |
| 04:03.46 | dondelelcaro | files: you run mkisofs, but you don't have to actually create the .iso |
| 04:04.09 | semprix | ohh didnt know i cannot run two instance with apt/aptitude |
| 04:04.38 | files | well, that's already two commands, I never remember the options of mkisofs, so I have to look the manpage, so k3b is a lot easier on me |
| 04:04.48 | dondelelcaro | files: genisoimage -R /master/tree | wodim -v fs=6m speed=2 dev=2,0 -; FE. |
| 04:05.12 | Azar | is there a command line for burning cds pacakge that goes ok with the 2.6.x kernels? |
| 04:05.16 | dondelelcaro | files: well, the only options you need to know about are -J and -r |
| 04:05.18 | dondelelcaro | Azar: wodim |
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| 04:05.42 | Azar | dondelelcaro: is it possible to have wodim on sarge with a 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 04:05.43 | files | I learn them when I use it, but I forget because I use it very seldom |
| 04:05.46 | dondelelcaro | Azar: yes |
| 04:05.51 | Azar | :) cool |
| 04:06.02 | dondelelcaro | Azar: or at least, it was working when I was using it. |
| 04:06.09 | dondelelcaro | Azar: it definetly works in etch |
| 04:06.19 | Azar | dondelelcaro: I will try to install wodim |
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| 04:07.26 | Azar | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "wodim" << aptitude |
| 04:07.34 | dondelelcaro | Azar: yeah, it may not have been backported at that point in time |
| 04:07.40 | dondelelcaro | s/backported/packaged/ |
| 04:07.47 | Azar | dondelelcaro: ok.. |
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| 04:09.38 | Azar | I wonder how people would burn Etch's iso when Etch come out , using Sarge.... besides desktop burning applications |
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| 04:10.41 | Azar | I spent all day two days ago to install woody, upgrade to sarge, and upgrade to 2.4.27 kernel "only" to be able to use cdrecord and burn debian-hurd iso on it |
| 04:11.28 | Azar | tarzeau: thanks for the help btw |
| 04:11.43 | files | there's no cdrecord on sarge? |
| 04:12.10 | Azar | files: it is but it is funky: two conditions to meet: a 2.4.27 kernel and scsi emu support |
| 04:12.22 | Azar | which a 2.6.x kernel does not have anymore |
| 04:12.43 | files | oh, that sucks |
| 04:12.44 | xsdg | Azar: can you not just compile wodim? |
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| 04:13.02 | files | there may be a backport at backports.org |
| 04:13.03 | Azar | xsdg: that's one of my many limitations: I do not know how to compile |
| 04:13.23 | Azar | files: not yet... |
| 04:13.24 | files | I don't know if they only hold backports to etch now |
| 04:14.18 | mte | hey, if i'm just a user on a debian system, how do i install programs so i have my own /bin /lib /etc in my home folder, something to do with changing paths i assume |
| 04:14.26 | xsdg | Azar: apt-get install build-essential fakeroot; apt-get source wodim; cd wodim-source-directory; fakeroot debian/rules binary; cd ..; dpkg --install *.deb |
| 04:14.42 | Azar | xsdg: hey thank you :) |
| 04:15.13 | xsdg | mte: you won't have a .etc; for bin, add $HOME/bin to $PATH (I typically use $HOME/usr/bin, but to each his/her own) |
| 04:15.22 | Azar | xsdg: don't need to match kernel-source version with the original gcc version.... like it used to be a pain back in the woody days? |
| 04:15.45 | xsdg | mte: for lib, add $HOME/lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH (likewise, $HOME/usr/lib) |
| 04:15.48 | mte | what about to actually install programs so they dont have to mess with folders above my home? |
| 04:15.49 | mte | ohh |
| 04:16.33 | xsdg | Azar: nope (at least, not for things which aren't kernel modules) |
| 04:16.36 | ricky | --prefix=/home/user/usr |
| 04:16.51 | metbsd | familiar with doman name server? guys? |
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| 04:17.04 | metbsd | if i have two A record for one host, what does that mean? |
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| 04:17.42 | xsdg | mte: so, when you compile things, set the prefix to the directory under which you want stuff installed (in my case, $HOME/usr), and you should be set |
| 04:17.57 | mte | sounds great, thanks a lot :) |
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| 04:18.07 | xsdg | np |
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| 04:18.16 | Sweetandy | Hey - how do I get the sylpheed-claws-gtk2 package installed? It's virtual, but I want GTK over X. |
| 04:18.23 | mte | could i set up my own instance of mysql like this? |
| 04:18.27 | Azar | xsdg: if I compile as root (out of X) do I need fakeroot? |
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| 04:18.48 | xsdg | Azar: nope |
| 04:18.59 | Azar | ok trying now |
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| 04:19.23 | semprix | guys why are there 6 rc.d folders in etc?? |
| 04:19.24 | xsdg | Azar: fakeroot is only useful because the compile process likes to be run by someone who looks like root (no idea why), but doesn't actually need any root priveliges |
| 04:19.32 | xsdg | semprix: the 6 runlevels |
| 04:19.49 | streuner | !Azar++ |
| 04:19.54 | semprix | ohh |
| 04:19.58 | xsdg | (well, 7, but anyway...) |
| 04:20.28 | lepton | semprix: man init |
| 04:20.46 | Azar | xsdg: apt-get source wodim > gives This apt does not have SuperCow powers :D |
| 04:21.01 | streuner | haha |
| 04:21.15 | xsdg | semprix: but yeah, 0 for shutdown, 6 for reboot, and 1-5 for various things, which are interpreted differently under different distros |
| 04:21.18 | Azar | love apt |
| 04:21.22 | xsdg | Azar: heh |
| 04:21.26 | ampex | metbsd: an A record is just a way to map a domain name to an IP address |
| 04:21.32 | semprix | where do i specify that this service should start on boot? like rc.conf on freebsd |
| 04:21.34 | lepton | dpkg moo |
| 04:21.34 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 04:21.42 | xsdg | Azar: do you have a source line in sources.list? |
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| 04:22.04 | Azar | xsdg: dunno but I feel I should have got the wodim downloaded first, right? uncompress and play |
| 04:22.07 | xsdg | (if not, you can usually copy a line starting with "deb", change "deb" to "deb-src", and apt-get update) |
| 04:22.13 | xsdg | Azar: no |
| 04:22.21 | xsdg | `apt-get source wodim` downloads it |
| 04:22.28 | xsdg | (that is, it downloads the source package) |
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| 04:22.31 | Jubeiii | so now that i have cdrom added to my sources.list file i type apt-get update and it seems to find packages, but apt-get install or upgrade does nothing |
| 04:22.34 | Azar | xsdg: I have three in fact but they are all looking at "sarge" repos |
| 04:22.47 | xsdg | Azar: oh; sorry :o) |
| 04:22.54 | Azar | yeah that was the issue |
| 04:23.06 | xsdg | Azar: then yeah, grab a source package from packages.debian.org; unpack with dpkg-deb --extract foo.dsc |
| 04:23.13 | Jubeiii | im getting "etch release.gpg |
| 04:23.18 | Azar | xsdg: to compile it I should maybe download it compressed, uncompress and compile |
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| 04:23.35 | Jubeiii | is there a way i install all the packages on cdrom |
| 04:23.54 | xsdg | Jubeiii: is there any reason you want to do that? |
| 04:24.57 | Jubeiii | xsdg: well im trying to install debian, im new to linux, and the only thing that installed was the desktop, i dont have anything such as ndiswrapper etc.. and i was given 3 dvds, and only the first one actually boots up |
| 04:25.33 | Jubeiii | the 2nd and 3rd dvds will not boot to install anything, and the 1st dvd deosnt have an option to continue install from disc and 3 |
| 04:25.45 | xsdg | Jubeiii: one sec |
| 04:25.45 | Jubeiii | *2 and 3 |
| 04:25.50 | semprix | Jubeiii, the 2 and 3 CDs are for additional packages |
| 04:25.58 | semprix | which can also be done through apt |
| 04:26.00 | Guerin | Jubeiii: apt-cd add |
| 04:26.05 | Jubeiii | ok i did that |
| 04:26.07 | Guerin | oops, apt-cdrom |
| 04:26.18 | Guerin | Jubeiii: now aptitude install somepackageondvd2 |
| 04:26.21 | Jubeiii | apt-cdrom add and dvds are added to my sources.list file |
| 04:26.27 | xsdg | Jubeiii: try tasksel |
| 04:26.47 | lepton | Jubeiii: or run aptitude, and drill down into tasks |
| 04:27.05 | xsdg | lepton: oh, aptitude does tasks? cool |
| 04:27.09 | xsdg | Jubeiii: listen to lepton :o) |
| 04:27.17 | lepton | mine does |
| 04:27.22 | Jubeiii | so if i aptitude, i have to install every singla package one by one |
| 04:27.28 | lepton | Jubeiii: no |
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| 04:27.40 | semprix | synaptics |
| 04:27.48 | Guerin | Jubeiii: hell no |
| 04:28.01 | Jubeiii | i think the tasksel is what im looking for |
| 04:28.01 | Guerin | semprix: don't recommend synaptic |
| 04:28.02 | Jubeiii | haha |
| 04:28.03 | xsdg | Jubeiii: the point of tasks is that you pick groups of coherent applications |
| 04:28.12 | xsdg | Jubeiii: use aptitude |
| 04:28.19 | Guerin | aptitude fr everything |
| 04:28.25 | Guerin | it's the gold standard |
| 04:28.45 | xsdg | Jubeiii: it does tasks like tasksel, but has a better UI and good package-picking algorithms |
| 04:28.51 | Jubeiii | so exit out of tasksel?, its promprinting me for predefined software packages |
| 04:28.54 | Jubeiii | ok |
| 04:28.55 | jzxu | whenever I try to install a package from the testing repository, I get a message saying "You are about to do something potentially harmful", I guess because it's trying to upgrade util-linux and tzdata, is this okay? |
| 04:28.58 | Jubeiii | jsut type aptitude? |
| 04:29.20 | Guerin | Jubeiii: yes |
| 04:29.32 | Guerin | Jubeiii: and then read the help |
| 04:29.32 | semprix | guys is there any site where i can choice some mirrors for my source.list |
| 04:29.42 | Guerin | semprix: /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 04:30.00 | xsdg | jzxu: if it says that and you want help, you should probably copy and paste exactly what it tells you to a paste site and drop the link in here |
| 04:30.03 | semprix | thanks |
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| 04:30.21 | Jubeiii | sweeeeeeet =) |
| 04:30.32 | Guerin | jzxu: that isn't all you're doing |
| 04:30.57 | Jubeiii | ok some more questions, more or less id like your input, someone recommended gnome or xfce |
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| 04:31.11 | Jubeiii | im running p3 800mhz laptop with 128mb ram |
| 04:31.14 | Guerin | Jubeiii: xfce |
| 04:31.24 | Jubeiii | i like good looking desktop though |
| 04:31.27 | Guerin | gnome will be a dog on 128MB |
| 04:31.28 | xsdg | another vote for xfce here |
| 04:31.33 | Jubeiii | ok |
| 04:31.37 | Jubeiii | what about swap file |
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| 04:31.53 | Jubeiii | if i added a gig for a swap file would that make a difference using gnome? |
| 04:31.59 | xsdg | Jubeiii: no |
| 04:32.03 | jzxu | xsdg, Guerin: http://rafb.net/p/eIgNKc54.html |
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| 04:32.12 | xsdg | Jubeiii: remember that swap is on the hard drive, and the hard drive is very slow (compared to actual memory) |
| 04:32.23 | Jubeiii | yea, but compared to nothing? |
| 04:32.42 | solitude | err |
| 04:32.42 | Jubeiii | i figured its nothing compared to ram, but it would help alot i would assume |
| 04:32.45 | solitude | how much ram do you have? |
| 04:32.50 | Jubeiii | 128mb |
| 04:32.57 | solitude | yeah, yo wnat a swap file :p |
| 04:33.01 | solitude | you want* |
| 04:33.02 | xsdg | Jubeiii: well, you should have swap, yes |
| 04:33.06 | solitude | ~512 swap imo |
| 04:33.15 | Jubeiii | i get your point though xsdg |
| 04:33.20 | solitude | also, i would really considering NOT using gnome with 128 ram |
| 04:33.24 | xsdg | Jubeiii: yeah, I wasn't too clear the first time |
| 04:33.28 | lepton | you don't want to swap a bunch on a laptop |
| 04:33.31 | solitude | and using something lighter(xfce4, blacbox :/ ) |
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| 04:33.56 | xsdg | jzxu: why do you want libxrandr from testing? |
| 04:34.04 | Jubeiii | what ok |
| 04:34.07 | Jubeiii | oops |
| 04:34.10 | xsdg | jzxu: that is, why do you want that but don't want to just upgrade to testing? |
| 04:34.10 | Jubeiii | forget the what |
| 04:34.13 | Jubeiii | i meant ok |
| 04:34.33 | jzxu | xsdg: er, I don't know, maybe I should upgrade to testing? |
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| 04:34.49 | xsdg | jzxu: ok; why do you want libxrandr2? |
| 04:35.08 | jzxu | xsdg: there was some font rendering bug with libcairo a while back in testing, I remember, don't know if it's been solved |
| 04:35.24 | xsdg | jzxu: ok |
| 04:35.31 | jzxu | xsdg: because I want to compile xbacklight |
| 04:35.56 | Jubeiii | and using aptitude, im able to install xfse and remove gnome? |
| 04:35.59 | g3brown | I have a Sarge box setup with Samba. I recently added a couple of Vista machines which have horrible speeds coping from linux to windows. XP was fine and copying from Win whatever to linux is great. Any insight? |
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| 04:36.30 | jzxu | xsdg: which requires xrandr >= 1.2 |
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| 04:36.45 | xsdg | jzxu: well, if you're not sure whether you want to install testing or not, I'd suggest looking for a backport of libxrandr2 first (backports.org, I believe) |
| 04:36.54 | jzxu | xsdg: I tried that |
| 04:37.00 | xsdg | jzxu: aah :o/ |
| 04:37.24 | xsdg | jzxu: well, mixing testing and stable is often asking for pain (because of libc issues, for example) |
| 04:37.38 | Azar | xsdg: is dpkg-deb --extract, or dpkg -i package.deb? |
| 04:37.58 | jzxu | xsdg: I see, maybe I'll just give up on xbacklight |
| 04:38.01 | xsdg | Azar: dpkg-deb --extract is for the debian source file (package.dsc) |
| 04:38.13 | xsdg | Azar: you use dpkg -i to install the binary package (package.deb) |
| 04:38.24 | Azar | ah ok so -i is for precompiled.. |
| 04:38.45 | xsdg | Azar: well, compiled (after you run the build process, you'll end up with .deb packages to install) |
| 04:38.56 | jzxu | maybe I should just ask in here: Has anyone had problems with gvim and libcairo in the testing distro? |
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| 04:39.18 | juancgt | heh my master, master mono and pcm sound levels are all controlling my sound right now (i expect master and pcm to both control it, although one seems to control bass and the other treble), can someone take a shot at this? |
| 04:40.11 | xsdg | Azar, jzxu: well. bedtime for me; good luck |
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| 04:40.59 | jzxu | xsdg: thanks for the help |
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| 04:43.08 | saintiss | hmm, is it possible somehow that a mail was sent to debian popularity contest automatically? |
| 04:43.23 | saintiss | because I just got a sending failure mail back |
| 04:43.34 | saintiss | of a mail which I didn't send in the first place :s |
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| 04:44.28 | metbsd | after editing zone file, how do i activate it? |
| 04:44.33 | Zemus | I need an acceptable C compilar for debian that I can get from apt. |
| 04:44.37 | Zemus | Can anyone name one? |
| 04:44.41 | saintiss | Zemus, gcc? |
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| 04:44.51 | Zemus | thanks! :) |
| 04:45.10 | juancgt | Zemus, build-essential i think |
| 04:45.37 | Kjikaqawej | 'compiler' |
| 04:46.07 | streuner | !info build-essential |
| 04:46.09 | dpkg | build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 11.3 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
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| 04:46.44 | juancgt | yeah but doesn't it install a compiler + some other stuff that come in handy to compile ? |
| 04:46.52 | level1 | is there a way to get an apt-get command to block until all other apt-get commands complete, so I can queue them? |
| 04:47.05 | JKnife | level1, use && |
| 04:47.06 | jzxu | should I dist-upgrade to testing? |
| 04:47.11 | Zemus | :/ |
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| 04:47.17 | w0rm | hacksign@HackSignLapTop:~$ su |
| 04:47.17 | JKnife | apt-get blah && apt-get blah2 |
| 04:47.21 | w0rm | Password: |
| 04:47.21 | w0rm | root@HackSignLapTop:/home/hacksign# /etc/init.d/firestarter start |
| 04:47.21 | w0rm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:47.21 | w0rm | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.21 | w0rm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:47.34 | Zemus | I'm trying to use apt-cache search to search for a package with two variables? |
| 04:47.41 | jzxu | I know that's kind of a question with a very conditionalized answer ... |
| 04:47.47 | level1 | JKnife: well, what if one apt-get command is already running? |
| 04:47.54 | streuner | Zemus: why not? |
| 04:47.55 | JKnife | then wait |
| 04:47.55 | saintiss | Zemus, 2 variables? |
| 04:47.56 | Kjikaqawej | moron... wtf did s/he go pasting that here |
| 04:48.08 | level1 | JKnife: like, I start one, and then later I realize I need to start another |
| 04:48.11 | streuner | apt-cache search foo foo2 would work |
| 04:48.15 | level1 | JKnife: but then I forget! |
| 04:48.24 | Zemus | streuner: truly, I'm dumb. Thanks. :) |
| 04:48.47 | JKnife | ^C apt-get -f install && apt-get one you stoped && apt-get new one |
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| 04:49.11 | Zemus | I meant stuff that contains BOTH variables. |
| 04:49.14 | level1 | JKnife: apt-get will restart the download where it stopped, right? |
| 04:49.19 | JKnife | yes |
| 04:50.16 | Zemus | I'm trying to figure out a way I can use apt-cache search and look for one package with two variables in it. |
| 04:51.42 | JKnife | >.> compiz fusion is awesome |
| 04:51.46 | streuner | Zemus: how about to read "man apt-cache" |
| 04:51.54 | Zemus | I'm reading it right now. |
| 04:52.00 | Zemus | If you don't know the answer, just say so |
| 04:52.09 | Zemus | if you do know the answer and don't want to say, gtfo of the support channel |
| 04:52.10 | Zemus | xD |
| 04:52.17 | metbsd | anyone use openwebmail? |
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| 04:54.44 | streuner | well, you are right what you saying before :-) |
| 04:55.11 | Zemus | What's that? |
| 04:55.45 | Azar | all those howto compile a .deb online documentation might be out-of date (potato -woody heyday). Is there any more recent howto? |
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| 04:57.22 | metbsd | how do i update index db for openwebmail |
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| 04:57.43 | streuner | Azar: URL? |
| 04:58.01 | Azar | streuner: http://www.aboutdebian.com/compile.htm |
| 04:58.22 | Azar | I guess that is from 2003..or 2004 |
| 04:58.31 | haviers | I'm having a bit of trouble setting up NXbuilder... I can't get the Setup.php part to work... I fill in the data on the page, but when I click accept, it tells me: "Cannot write dump file" |
| 04:59.01 | Zemus | I'm trying to figure out a way I can use apt-cache search and look for one package with two variables in it. |
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| 04:59.23 | Azar | streuner: I am thinking to get the wodim source from Debian etch and compile it into Sarge 2.6.8 kernel |
| 04:59.42 | streuner | !mg |
| 04:59.42 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 04:59.57 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: what do you mean by two variables? |
| 05:00.04 | Zemus | dondelelcaro: hehe, hi again ^.^ |
| 05:00.13 | Azar | :) thank you streuner |
| 05:00.15 | Zemus | I mean I need to find a package with both "xml" and "perl" in it at the same time. |
| 05:00.32 | acu | I need to download some files from either svn or cvs repository - from http://pubsvn.ez.no/viewcvs/?root=nextgen_php5 - help |
| 05:00.33 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: apt-get search xml perl; |
| 05:00.39 | dondelelcaro | s/get/cache/ |
| 05:00.41 | acu | please |
| 05:00.53 | semprix | guys |
| 05:01.04 | semprix | do you know any gtk based vpn clients? |
| 05:01.17 | Zemus | I tried that, dondelelcaro. |
| 05:01.26 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: and you would have noticed that it worked... |
| 05:01.30 | Zemus | It pulls up many packages, but only a few of them have both. They are mostly one or the other. |
| 05:01.39 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: all of them have both, actually. |
| 05:01.41 | Zemus | Would you like the results in a paste bucket? :) |
| 05:01.54 | streuner | !tell semprix about search |
| 05:02.02 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: I know what the results are; the issue is that you don't seem to realize the fields that apt-cache search searches. |
| 05:02.02 | Zemus | apt-cache search xml perl |
| 05:02.05 | Azar | uh... streuner is that for compiling a downloaded deb source? |
| 05:02.21 | Zemus | Here's an example answer |
| 05:02.21 | Zemus | parsewiki - Documentation System Based on ASCII Text |
| 05:02.45 | Zemus | Here's another one. libnmap-parser-perl - parse nmap scan data with perl |
| 05:02.54 | streuner | Azar: for that i would just use "simple sid backport" |
| 05:02.57 | Zemus | What do you think of that? |
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| 05:03.03 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: now apt-cache show parsewiki|grep -i -e perl -e xml; |
| 05:03.11 | Zemus | ...... |
| 05:03.14 | Zemus | :| |
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| 05:03.20 | Zemus | Whatever happened to "they all have both in them"? |
| 05:03.33 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: they do all have both terms listed. |
| 05:03.41 | Zemus | Just like the two I just listed |
| 05:03.42 | Zemus | that |
| 05:03.43 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: search searches the package names and descriptions. |
| 05:03.46 | Zemus | clearly didn't have both listed xD |
| 05:03.54 | Zemus | I pasted the descriptions too :> |
| 05:04.01 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: you only pasted the first lines. |
| 05:04.07 | streuner | Azar: basically it should be enough to just make one deb |
| 05:04.12 | Zemus | Alright. |
| 05:04.18 | dondelelcaro | Zemus: arguing with me about these things is generally counter productive. |
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| 05:05.00 | Zemus | dondelelcaro: no comment xD |
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| 05:07.47 | Azar | streuner: the way I see it here, and confuses me, is that allows pinning, which very often I see is not recommended by #debian channel |
| 05:07.50 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html |
| 05:08.45 | Azar | :) simple sid backport looks really neat |
| 05:09.19 | Azar | streuner: if wodim is already in Etch, could I just point the sources to etch? |
| 05:09.40 | dondelelcaro | Azar: yerp |
| 05:09.53 | dondelelcaro | !+info wodim etch |
| 05:09.55 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 05:10.05 | dpkg | wodim: (command line CD/DVD writing tool), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 9:1.1.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 410 kB, Installed size: 816 kB |
| 05:11.10 | Azar | :) thanks dondelecaro |
| 05:12.11 | dondelelcaro | Azar: np; good luck! |
| 05:15.04 | streuner | Azar: pinning is when you install different debs from a branch of Debian, but get the source and make a backport has nothing to do with that... |
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| 05:15.34 | streuner | that's a seperate deb which should fit all your needs for your system |
| 05:15.37 | darius | help please |
| 05:15.52 | Kjikaqawej | darius : check #mindreaders |
| 05:15.57 | streuner | !ask |
| 05:15.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 05:16.48 | darius | i want to move from pclos to debian but i need help |
| 05:17.00 | streuner | !d-i darius |
| 05:17.00 | dpkg | darius, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 05:17.15 | streuner | darius: /msg dpkg ig |
| 05:17.48 | darius | im confused |
| 05:18.09 | darius | whats 4.0r0 |
| 05:18.28 | streuner | version 4.0 of Debian release 0 |
| 05:18.47 | streuner | !etch |
| 05:18.48 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
| 05:19.32 | darius | which one to pick |
| 05:19.57 | streuner | as we said before, if you have a fast i-net connection just get a netinstall CD |
| 05:20.04 | streuner | !d-i |
| 05:20.04 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 05:22.23 | darius | which architecture to pick |
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| 05:22.33 | darius | i dont know mine |
| 05:22.39 | streuner | what kind of CPU do you have? |
| 05:22.56 | darius | i desktop |
| 05:23.04 | darius | forget the i |
| 05:23.10 | streuner | apple? |
| 05:23.18 | darius | no |
| 05:23.20 | darius | dell |
| 05:23.23 | streuner | just pick i386 |
| 05:23.30 | darius | ok |
| 05:23.33 | streuner | s/pick/choose/ |
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| 05:23.46 | lambertz | how i extract .part compressions (rar archiver) to the same file? |
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| 05:27.47 | Azar | streuner, the etch repos don't seem to have the source for wodim, just "wodim".. |
| 05:28.47 | streuner | Azar: heh |
| 05:29.00 | Azar | the "build-dep" would extract the source from "wodim" ? |
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| 05:29.13 | streuner | Azar: sure |
| 05:29.36 | Azar | ok so I go to grab wodim :) |
| 05:29.36 | streuner | build-dep just make sure, that all depends are resolved |
| 05:29.59 | streuner | did you make the entry in sources.list (etch)? |
| 05:30.09 | streuner | deb-scr |
| 05:30.13 | Azar | streuner: yes, updated and apt-cache search for wodim |
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| 05:31.06 | Azar | I was just trying to follow dpkg simple sid backport.. |
| 05:31.46 | streuner | it might call otherwise |
| 05:31.53 | streuner | cdrkit or such |
| 05:31.57 | phix | hey |
| 05:32.39 | phix | this isn't a debian related question but any way, where would one buy cheap SSL certificates from? |
| 05:32.39 | streuner | !find cdrkit |
| 05:32.41 | dpkg | cdrkit-doc: (Documentation for the cdrkit package suite), section doc, is optional. Version: 9:1.1.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 153 kB, Installed size: 416 kB |
| 05:32.45 | streuner | hm |
| 05:33.33 | Azar | yeah just -doc |
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| 05:33.48 | phix | the SSL CA certificate would need to be shipped with debian of corse :) as well as most web browsers |
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| 05:33.54 | Azar | so in etch I only have wodim precompiled, no source. |
| 05:35.00 | streuner | Azar: hold on |
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| 05:35.03 | Azar | ok |
| 05:35.32 | Azar | I guess source might still be on sid only |
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| 05:36.46 | streuner | http://packages.debian.org/stable/source/cdrkit |
| 05:36.48 | richd | question, whats the command for adding network mirrors to my apt sources.list? |
| 05:36.58 | richd | i know of apt-cdrom for cd... |
| 05:37.16 | richd | MangosDebian: Whazzzup? |
| 05:37.33 | MangosDebian | richd: hello |
| 05:37.39 | richd | this is Szer |
| 05:37.45 | streuner | Azar: there must be a source package in stable ;-) |
| 05:38.13 | Azar | looking on debian packages |
| 05:38.23 | streuner | Azar: maybe it dont resolve the depends well... |
| 05:38.30 | richd | MangosDebian: do you know the answer to my previous question? (i have generally just typed them myself in the past...) |
| 05:38.35 | streuner | Azar: just show us the output of the command |
| 05:38.40 | MangosDebian | richd: hello szer |
| 05:39.05 | MangosDebian | richd: not sure which question your refering to, but im kinda busy gabbing elsewhere atm |
| 05:39.11 | jair | guys, I install Debian etch 4.0 in a http://www-304.ibm.com/jct01004c/systems/support/supportsite.wss/mainselect?familyind=5320162&typeind=5322088&modelind=5353988&osind=0&continue.x=12&continue.y=16&brandind=5000008&oldfamily=5320162 |
| 05:39.42 | jair | I am trying to find the way of how can I backup that moster, I tryied G4L and nothing i keep getting kernel panic |
| 05:40.04 | jair | and I really would like to know if there is a tool linux base that can back up this machine? |
| 05:40.12 | richd | MangosDebian: aight, wont bother you then, anymore |
| 05:40.39 | MangosDebian | richd: just ask around here again, im sure someone can answer |
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| 05:42.29 | Azar | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/32892 |
| 05:43.01 | Azar | streuner: there is a cdrikit source at debian packages |
| 05:43.05 | Azar | cdrkit |
| 05:43.16 | Azar | but not on the repos |
| 05:43.32 | streuner | its there |
| 05:43.32 | Azar | http://packages.debian.org/stable/otherosfs/wodim |
| 05:43.44 | streuner | nah, its cdrkit (source) |
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| 05:44.58 | streuner | apt-get build-dep wodim;apt-get -b source wodim |
| 05:45.20 | Azar | :) ok |
| 05:45.38 | Zemus | I need GLib 2.0 development headers. :/ |
| 05:45.47 | Zemus | I don't know how to find them in apt-cache search. |
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| 05:46.04 | Zemus | I wouldn't mind knowing the name of the package, but I'd like to know how I should have known, too. :P |
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| 05:47.22 | Azar | o_0 |
| 05:47.28 | Azar | no good |
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| 05:47.47 | streuner | Azar: just show us the output of the command |
| 05:48.47 | Zemus | :< |
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| 05:49.04 | Zemus | This package needs GLib 2.0 development headers. Does anyone know what i should download and install? |
| 05:49.13 | Azar | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/32893 |
| 05:49.21 | Azar | does not like my kernel.. |
| 05:49.28 | yoshio | zemus: apt-cache search glib |sort | grep libglib |
| 05:49.38 | Zemus | thanks yoshi. :) |
| 05:50.09 | streuner | Azar: well, it would install etch :-) |
| 05:50.19 | streuner | Azar: show us your sources.list |
| 05:51.33 | Azar | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/32894 |
| 05:52.40 | streuner | Azar: comment line 5 + 8 |
| 05:52.46 | streuner | and run apt-get update |
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| 05:53.12 | streuner | sorry, 5 + 7 |
| 05:53.16 | Azar | ok |
| 05:53.18 | cafuego | libglib-2.0-dev prolly |
| 05:53.20 | vn | = 12 |
| 05:53.29 | Supaplex | dpkg: 5+7 |
| 05:53.29 | dpkg | 12 |
| 05:53.41 | Azar | and 12 too? |
| 05:53.41 | vn | what do I win? |
| 05:53.46 | Azar | all deb-src? |
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| 05:54.12 | streuner | All execpt the deb-scr line for etch |
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| 05:54.24 | Azar | ok |
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| 05:56.37 | Azar | http://paste.debian.net/32895 < better? |
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| 05:57.10 | Zemus | I can't find it. :/ |
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| 05:57.26 | Zemus | This package needs GLib 2.0 development headers... I ran a search, and installed these |
| 05:57.38 | ub6ib9 | hi guys |
| 05:57.41 | Zemus | i libglib2.0-dev - Development files for the GLib library |
| 05:57.47 | ub6ib9 | dont mean to interupt but i need something really bad |
| 05:57.57 | Supaplex | !tell ub6ib9 -about ask |
| 05:58.00 | Zemus | But it just says the same thing when I try to compile. That it wants Glib development files. :/ |
| 05:58.15 | wols | there is a config.lgo? |
| 05:58.15 | Supaplex | Zemus: what are you building? |
| 05:58.20 | Zemus | Pidgin. |
| 05:58.21 | wols | *config.log |
| 05:58.27 | Zemus | I've been working on it off and on for two days. :) |
| 05:58.30 | ub6ib9 | does anyone here have DEMONOID |
| 05:58.30 | Zemus | Because linux hates me :D |
| 05:58.36 | Zemus | And #debian hates me MOAR! |
| 05:58.39 | wols | Zemus: apt-get build-dep gaim |
| 05:58.48 | wols | ub6ib9: OT |
| 05:59.00 | ub6ib9 | i need an invite TO DEMONOI ------------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 05:59.01 | streuner | Azar: http://paste.debian.net/32896 |
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| 05:59.15 | Guerin | ub6ib9: fuck off and die |
| 05:59.19 | ub6ib9 | demonoid invite --------------------------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 05:59.27 | Guerin | !ops ub6ib9 |
| 05:59.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: ub6ib9 |
| 06:00.19 | ub6ib9 | demonoid invites please ------------------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:00.21 | epsilon | WTH is demono anyway? |
| 06:00.27 | cafuego | ub6ib9: For what it's worth, people like you is why we don't share invites. |
| 06:00.27 | wols | epsilon: warez |
| 06:00.31 | streuner | sometimes i really like what #bash did :-/ |
| 06:00.34 | ub6ib9 | demonoid invite------------------------------------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:00.35 | wols | !ops please remove the spammer |
| 06:00.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: please remove the spammer |
| 06:00.47 | epsilon | ub6ib9: try ftp.debian.org, all free warez :P |
| 06:00.50 | streuner | wols: no need, one time is enough... |
| 06:01.23 | ub6ib9 | epsilon: will do thanx a lot bud |
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| 06:02.07 | ub6ib9 | epsilon: how can i join thre irc??? |
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| 06:02.21 | Azar | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/32897 |
| 06:03.41 | streuner | Azar: well, just use the version of sid |
| 06:03.59 | Azar | :) |
| 06:04.09 | Azar | ok trying |
| 06:04.09 | streuner | Azar: you have to backport cmake or just get the source of cmake (cmake.org) and put it into /usr/local/ |
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| 06:08.29 | streuner | Azar: .../bin/ |
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| 06:08.29 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:08.29 | eb69 | demonid invites anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:08.30 | *** kick/#debian [eb69!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 06:08.30 | streuner | well, i had this problem ones too in woody, wanted a 2.6.x kernel and had to backport serveral stuff too |
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| 06:08.30 | eb69 | demonid invites anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:08.30 | cafuego | eb69: Stop being a retard |
| 06:08.30 | streuner | well, the half system was more sarge vs. woody then ;-) |
| 06:08.30 | eb69 | demonid invites anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
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| 06:08.30 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:08.30 | *** kick/#debian [eb69!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 06:08.30 | cafuego | Ok, I'm mailing optus. Fuuck you. |
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| 06:08.30 | cafuego | Ok, I'm mailing optus. Fuck you. |
| 06:08.32 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:08.36 | saleyk | :) |
| 06:08.36 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:08.38 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:08.41 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:08.43 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:08.57 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:09.03 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:09.06 | *** kick/#debian [eb69!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
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| 06:09.43 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:09.46 | *** kick/#debian [eb69!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 06:09.49 | Azar | hehe |
| 06:09.57 | semprix | wtf? |
| 06:09.58 | Azar | how come nobody k-line him |
| 06:09.58 | cafuego | It's not a clever moron, is it? |
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| 06:10.05 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:10.07 | streuner | Azar: nobody awake |
| 06:10.07 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:10.08 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:10.12 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:10.13 | *** kick/#debian [eb69!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 06:10.17 | Azar | set limits on flood |
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| 06:10.22 | Azar | 2 lines only |
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| 06:10.22 | semprix | can anyone set a ban on this? |
| 06:10.28 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:10.29 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:10.32 | Azar | is a bot |
| 06:10.33 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:10.35 | atrus | !ops eb69 |
| 06:10.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: atrus complains about: eb69 |
| 06:10.37 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:10.45 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:10.52 | semprix | god damn it |
| 06:10.53 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:11.03 | streuner | semprix: usually there were "lilo" around at this time :-/ |
| 06:11.04 | x-Dieu | numist !!! |
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| 06:11.18 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
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| 06:11.30 | GreaseMonkey | it's a thuck autraaalian |
| 06:11.33 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:11.35 | GreaseMonkey | *SRY* |
| 06:11.35 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:11.41 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:11.46 | GreaseMonkey | but it is australian |
| 06:11.47 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:11.49 | x-Dieu | Bhaal !!! |
| 06:11.50 | xevious | ? |
| 06:11.51 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:11.54 | streuner | just ignore the spammer |
| 06:11.55 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:12.33 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:12.33 | Azar | yeah ignore did it |
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| 06:12.34 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:12.34 | GreaseMonkey | "Azureus IRC Plugin" <-- lawl |
| 06:12.34 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:12.36 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:12.40 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
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| 06:12.53 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
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| 06:12.59 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:13.01 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:13.08 | joeyjones | !ops eb69 |
| 06:13.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: joeyjones complains about: eb69 |
| 06:13.09 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
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| 06:13.21 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.comDEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:13.24 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
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| 06:13.41 | joeyjones | eb69: you fucking suck |
| 06:13.42 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:13.43 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:13.51 | xevious | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.53 | cafuego | 's oky |
| 06:13.53 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:13.54 | xevious | that easy |
| 06:13.55 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:13.57 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
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| 06:14.11 | xevious | i have a system with a ide system/applications drive and a sata raid 5 array for home directories and network shares. i've been through several system drives crashing, and was wondering if it's possible to make /etc a symlink to a directory on the raid 5 array. is that going to cause any problems? |
| 06:14.15 | GreaseMonkey | i know a troll who's australian |
| 06:14.15 | joeyjones | i;m playing around with my spam filters |
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| 06:14.26 | cafuego | I've just mailed a friend who works at his ISP. |
| 06:14.27 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:14.29 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.comDEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:14.29 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:14.37 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:14.40 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:14.42 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:14.43 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:14.43 | *** kick/#debian [eb69!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 06:14.44 | joeyjones | lol |
| 06:14.49 | semprix | lol |
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| 06:14.52 | semprix | this is funny |
| 06:14.53 | cafuego | So he'll either stop shortly, or he'll be made to stop. |
| 06:15.07 | cafuego | ANd he can explain to mum and dad why the internet stopped working. |
| 06:15.08 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
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| 06:15.11 | Azar | meh all ops sleeping.. |
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| 06:15.19 | GreaseMonkey | hehe, i'd love to see someone ACTUALLY cut a spammer's cable |
| 06:15.33 | tonima | can't you ban him? |
| 06:15.40 | Azar | no ops around |
| 06:15.46 | eb69 | i just want an invite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 06:15.48 | streuner | cafuego: you never know s(he) is hacked or not... |
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| 06:16.02 | Azar | just /ignore eb69 and is like he is never here |
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| 06:16.13 | cafuego | eb69: Sorry mat, but we don;'t have any. |
| 06:16.26 | cafuego | moron |
| 06:16.43 | streuner | cafuego: just use ignore, its a waste of time... |
| 06:16.43 | eb69 | there are 716ppl in this chat room |
| 06:16.50 | eb69 | someone has to have demonoid! |
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| 06:16.58 | Zemus | Oh dear. |
| 06:16.59 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:17.00 | Azar | yeah let flood his own screen until he gets asleep |
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| 06:17.11 | Guerin | !ops WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU USELESS BASTARDS?? |
| 06:17.11 | Zemus | Why isn't he banned yet? |
| 06:17.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU USELESS BASTARDS |
| 06:17.21 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:17.23 | streuner | haha |
| 06:17.23 | eb69 | DEMONOID invite anyone -----------------> eyyub93@hotmail.com |
| 06:17.25 | Azar | hehe mr Guerin |
| 06:17.25 | Zemus | ..... |
| 06:17.30 | semprix | haha |
| 06:17.31 | Azar | azeem: |
| 06:18.09 | Guerin | someone is obviously a John Howard voter |
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| 06:18.13 | cafuego | streuner: But if I have it on ignore I can't witness it being killed. |
| 06:18.16 | Azar | stew, someone is off topic! |
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| 06:18.27 | Guerin | Azar: too l8, m8 |
| 06:18.29 | cafuego | Guerin: it's from NSW, god know what it's been smoking. |
| 06:18.30 | nalioth | cafuego: did you see that? |
| 06:18.32 | Azar | :) |
| 06:18.40 | Azar | Guerin: keep the logs to show stew.. |
| 06:18.47 | cafuego | nalioth: no, i do have it on ignore now |
| 06:18.57 | nalioth | cafuego: eb69 caught the k-train |
| 06:19.01 | Guerin | Azar: he's a John Howard voter too ... |
| 06:19.01 | cafuego | yay |
| 06:19.05 | Azar | hehe was kked? |
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| 06:19.11 | Guerin | Azar: yes. |
| 06:19.24 | Azar | azeem on duty I hope |
| 06:19.29 | streuner | no |
| 06:19.32 | semprix | 0_o |
| 06:19.32 | iruew | I want to change a single option of a single module in my kernel config. Do I need to recompile my entire kernel? (built kernel via make-kpkg if it matters) |
| 06:19.33 | streuner | some sysop |
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| 06:19.40 | Azar | ah cool |
| 06:19.46 | Guerin | iruew: module or in-kernel? |
| 06:19.51 | iruew | module |
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| 06:20.16 | Guerin | iruew: you can just rebuild that module, but in practice it's usually just less work to build the whole shootin' box |
| 06:20.37 | iruew | how can I just build the module? |
| 06:21.25 | Guerin | iruew: each module has its own makefile |
| 06:21.33 | xevious | i'll repeat my question now that eb69 is gone |
| 06:21.37 | xevious | i have a system with a ide system/applications drive and a sata raid 5 array for home directories and network shares. i've been through several system drives crashing, and was wondering if it's possible to make /etc a symlink to a directory on the raid 5 array. is that going to cause any problems? |
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| 06:21.58 | Guerin | iruew: in a dir in the kernel tree - you just build it how you like and copy it over the existing one |
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| 06:22.05 | Guerin | iruew: and if you do it right it works |
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| 06:22.44 | Zemus | This package needs GLib 2.0 development headers... I ran a search, and installed these |
| 06:22.49 | Zemus | i libglib2.0-dev - Development files for the GLib library |
| 06:23.06 | Guerin | Zemus: why are you telling us? |
| 06:23.09 | iruew | hm, I'll just recompile the whole thing, compiling just one seems to fail :/ |
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| 06:23.15 | Zemus | Now it says "You must have the GTK+ 2.0 development headers installed to compile Pidgin. If you only want to build Finch then specify --disable-gtkui when running configure." |
| 06:23.22 | iruew | thanks anyway Guerin |
| 06:23.22 | Zemus | Any idea what package I need to install? |
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| 06:23.35 | Supaplex | xevious: that could cripple your system from booting. |
| 06:23.58 | xevious | Supaplex: yeah. i realized that shortly after asking |
| 06:24.09 | Guerin | Zemus: apt-get build-dep gaim |
| 06:24.09 | xevious | Supaplex: i'll make a cron job to tar it up every week or so |
| 06:24.15 | Supaplex | Zemus: inspect the config.log for files it cannot find, and use apt-file to locate any packages providing it |
| 06:24.18 | Guerin | Zemus: you realise pidgin == gaim, no? |
| 06:24.24 | Zemus | Guerin: I did that, it was absolutely no help |
| 06:24.26 | Guerin | it's actually no different yet |
| 06:24.37 | Guerin | Zemus: then you did something wrong. |
| 06:24.44 | Supaplex | Zemus: sns syndrome? :) |
| 06:24.51 | Zemus | And yes, I followed the news when pidgin was very first released. |
| 06:25.26 | Zemus | Guerin: apt-get build-dep gaim... you can't really mess that up xD |
| 06:25.33 | Guerin | i still think they should have called it GINP |
| 06:25.50 | Guerin | Zemus: you seem to have. That would have installed the proper libs. |
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| 06:26.20 | Guerin | the one you want is libgtk2something-dev |
| 06:26.24 | Zemus | Guerin: funny how it didn't. God forbid you're just... wrong. xD |
| 06:26.32 | Guerin | but after that there'll be another error, and another |
| 06:26.41 | liable | ohnos |
| 06:26.46 | Zemus | ohnoez!!! |
| 06:26.49 | Supaplex | Zemus: if he was, it should be on bugs.debian.org - but that applies for current builds. |
| 06:26.56 | Azar | ohlookisliable! |
| 06:27.08 | Guerin | Zemus: it installed *nothing*, or just not some things? |
| 06:27.13 | Zemus | I've done this before, successfully, and as I recall, the dev glib was the last dependency. |
| 06:27.21 | Zemus | And it... needs some special package. Like an alternative. |
| 06:27.22 | liable | after two weeks with no fucking internet |
| 06:27.27 | Guerin | because gaim most definitely and assuredly does need gtk2 dev |
| 06:27.33 | Azar | liable: what happened? |
| 06:27.44 | streuner | liable: and you're still alive? ;-) |
| 06:27.45 | liable | Azar: a terrible thing called work |
| 06:27.47 | Zemus | Guerin: I don't know enough about linux to say. I would guess it almost finished the install process, then cancelled when it saw the dependency issues. |
| 06:27.55 | Guerin | !guess |
| 06:27.56 | dpkg | guess is probably a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 06:27.57 | streuner | hehe |
| 06:28.15 | Zemus | ... |
| 06:28.17 | Guerin | Zemus: you have no business building development software at this time. I'm done here. |
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| 06:28.44 | Zemus | Guerin: uh... I'm just trying to install pidgin... I... was told I could come here for support on simple things like software installs... |
| 06:28.50 | Zemus | I'm not building development software. |
| 06:28.59 | Supaplex | Zemus: apt-get install gaim |
| 06:29.02 | Guerin | Zemus: pidgin isn't in debian. |
| 06:29.10 | Zemus | Guerin: not yet, it is in sid |
| 06:29.13 | Azar | Zemus: on Debian linux you dont "just download" stuff |
| 06:29.18 | Guerin | besides it is *identical* to gaim except for the branding |
| 06:29.18 | Zemus | And I've put it on etch before, I just can't get it this time. |
| 06:29.27 | Guerin | Zemus: then /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 06:29.28 | Zemus | Supaplex: gaim is already installed. |
| 06:29.29 | liable | doesnt backports have it? |
| 06:29.38 | Zemus | Guerin: I spent about six hours trying to do that. It didn't work. |
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| 06:30.01 | Guerin | Zemus: then, once more, the point is that this job is Just Too Hard for you |
| 06:30.01 | liable | thats the curse of gtk libs whenever you want to build something that should be simple |
| 06:30.03 | Supaplex | Zemus: then use gaim. |
| 06:30.10 | Azar | if pidgin=gaim, and you have gaim.... no need for pidgin |
| 06:30.19 | Zemus | Guerin: I love you, buddy. *hugs* |
| 06:30.23 | liable | teh vids! |
| 06:30.24 | Guerin | Zemus: the thing is that it probably uses the bleedingest newest gtk, which means a dependency chain from hell |
| 06:30.33 | Guerin | Zemus: did you look for a backport? |
| 06:30.40 | Zemus | Supaplex: I didn't come here to ask about getting pidgin to work so that I could be told to use Gaim. |
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| 06:31.03 | Zemus | Guerin: as I said, I spent about six hours stumbling around trying to get backports to work. It didn't. |
| 06:31.25 | Guerin | Zemus: no, you said you tried to get a simple sid backport working. |
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| 06:31.29 | Guerin | Zemus: which is it? |
| 06:31.34 | Zemus | Both. |
| 06:31.40 | Guerin | riiight |
| 06:31.52 | Zemus | I tried to get a simple sid backport working, and the first step of that is seeing if a backport already exists |
| 06:31.53 | Guerin | good luck with this approach |
| 06:31.54 | Supaplex | Zemus: you're on your own if you start installing software outside of apt, or start using testing/unstable. unstable and testing are for those who are interested in finding bugs and reportting them accurately |
| 06:31.58 | Zemus | which, as I said, it does. In sid. |
| 06:32.02 | liable | i cant imagine theres much simple about backporting a gtk app |
| 06:32.08 | Azar | Zemus: so if pidgin does not "fit" your Debian version and the kernel used by it... why "force" it? |
| 06:32.23 | Guerin | Zemus: a backport cannot exist in sid ... so ... what backport sites did you check? |
| 06:32.29 | Zemus | Azar: It's worked perfectly in the past. It's really not that hard. I'm just too much of a noob to do it on my own. :P |
| 06:32.39 | streuner | liable: no, but he didnt read the logs as well and there are surely some missing libs... |
| 06:32.51 | Guerin | streuner: libgtk2something-dev |
| 06:33.02 | streuner | sure |
| 06:33.18 | Supaplex | my lightbulb worked fine in the past, but I had to replace it with newer one after it burnt out. just because it worked last time you flipped the switch... yea, stuff changes. |
| 06:33.20 | liable | backporting it two months ago when sid was literaly frozen would have been easy, now its prolly a complete fuck |
| 06:34.01 | Zemus | Supaplex: lawl. If debian cannot handle modern software, with stability, that is not in its precious repositories (and there is far more software out of the repositories than in)... then I have no interest in it, and I can't imagine anyone else would either. |
| 06:34.09 | Supaplex | fwiw, I configured pidgin just fine. this box uses pure etch. |
| 06:34.21 | Zemus | Supaplex: yep :) Like I said. Totally possible. |
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| 06:34.34 | Guerin | Zemus: it can - YOU can't |
| 06:34.54 | Supaplex | Zemus: that's an age old debate with new vs stable. new has unfound bugs. stable doesn't move, so naturally it ages. |
| 06:34.58 | Azar | Zemus: if that warms your sould, cdrecord used to work on my Debian sarge while I was using an older kernel, now that i upgraded the kernel... cdrecord will never work again. And there is NO cure |
| 06:35.23 | Zemus | Guerin: you already gave up twice. I have faith in you this time. It's like quitting smoking. :) |
| 06:35.54 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:36.06 | Supaplex | !sns syndrome |
| 06:36.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 06:36.10 | Azar | Zemus: what Guerin means to tell you: you have no way of forcing pidgin on your Debian system now |
| 06:36.22 | Azar | ...and you can't even understand that |
| 06:36.38 | Guerin | Azar: no, i don't mean that |
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| 06:37.01 | Azar | Guerin: my bad... I know you ment much more.... but I am shy to say it |
| 06:37.07 | Guerin | i mean it's possible and probably easy, but he's being so vague I can't be arsed figuring out what he has and hasn't done properly |
| 06:37.07 | Zemus | Azar: that's because he's wrong :) I've done it in the past. I'm not sure what about this is so difficult for you to understand. |
| 06:37.24 | Zemus | I'm tempted to draw pictures, and then scan them... and upload them, making sure to link them to tinyurl, so that you don't confused on the way... |
| 06:37.25 | Zemus | ^.^ |
| 06:37.25 | Supaplex | it's compiling just fine on this box. |
| 06:37.27 | Guerin | and I have a seminar to prepare |
| 06:37.43 | Azar | Guerin: topic, what's the seminar topic? |
| 06:37.58 | Guerin | Azar: Clark Vader and the Helengrad Labour Lesbians |
| 06:38.07 | Azar | damn! lucky you |
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| 06:38.42 | Guerin | before you all get lubed up, there are no actual lesbians involved |
| 06:38.46 | Guerin | sorry |
| 06:38.46 | Zemus | :< |
| 06:39.01 | Guerin | ah well, some things can't be helped |
| 06:39.04 | Zemus | hehehehe |
| 06:39.12 | Azar | meh... could have been an arousing digression |
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| 06:39.24 | Supaplex | Zemus: dpkg -l libgtk2.0-dev |
| 06:39.45 | Zemus | I'll give that a shot |
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| 06:40.49 | GhostlyDeath | hmm, could I symlink /home/steven/Desktop to /windows/Users/steven/Desktop so windows and linux share a similar desktop? |
| 06:40.52 | Zemus | Supaplex: I just pasted that to you in a pm |
| 06:41.05 | Zemus | I'm about to go to bed and too tired to use pastebucket :P |
| 06:41.07 | Zemus | sorry :P |
| 06:41.28 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: sure, but the permissions will fuck things horribly |
| 06:41.33 | Supaplex | Zemus: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0) is listed as a dependency in gaim, so - you loose. |
| 06:41.44 | Supaplex | Zemus: apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev |
| 06:41.45 | Zemus | ...? |
| 06:41.55 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: if there are any permissions requirements on desktop |
| 06:41.58 | Zemus | ok...? |
| 06:42.01 | Zemus | doing it :P |
| 06:42.02 | Azar | GhostlyDeath: you could use a windows theme as .jpg, install it on your user directory on Debian, and use feh to put it as a wallpaper... and voila: identical looks |
| 06:42.12 | Guerin | Zemus: so you didn't do apt-get build-dep gaim after all |
| 06:42.21 | GhostlyDeath | Azar: I want to use the same files too |
| 06:42.26 | Guerin | Azar: i think he wants the same files and such |
| 06:42.29 | Azar | GhostlyDeath: hehe |
| 06:42.32 | Zemus | You must have libxml2 >= 2.6.0 development headers installed to build. |
| 06:42.36 | Guerin | yes |
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| 06:42.51 | Guerin | Zemus: you fail. |
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| 06:42.53 | GhostlyDeath | Guerin: thr NTFS drive is mounted for privs under this user |
| 06:42.54 | Azar | no windows exploder filemanager |
| 06:43.01 | Zemus | Guerin: that's not what your mom said last night. :D |
| 06:43.14 | Supaplex | Zemus: run apt-get build-dep gaim |
| 06:43.19 | Zemus | I did. |
| 06:43.23 | Zemus | Again, then? |
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| 06:43.32 | liable | give up already |
| 06:43.40 | Zemus | Eh, I've been at it six hours |
| 06:43.42 | Zemus | why stop now. |
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| 06:43.54 | GhostlyDeath | ... |
| 06:43.58 | Azar | ..... |
| 06:44.02 | Zemus | hahahaha |
| 06:44.02 | Supaplex | Zemus: gaim has libxml2 (>= 2.6.27) dependency. man apt-get and read the build-dep section if you don't believe us. |
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| 06:44.03 | liable | Zemus: go to bed, tackle it in a day or two. usually works for me |
| 06:44.04 | GhostlyDeath | !damn Kernel upgrader |
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| 06:44.18 | GhostlyDeath | keeps deleting the "Windows Vista Home Premium" entry... |
| 06:44.22 | Guerin | Zemus: she told me your performance was the same as the one with the fake lesbians just now |
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| 06:44.41 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: because you put it in the wrong place |
| 06:44.43 | Zemus | Supaplex: I believe you, I just don't know what everything means, being such a noob and all. :P |
| 06:44.48 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: because you didn't reas the doc |
| 06:44.53 | Zemus | Guerin: that's interesting, your mom didn't say anything at all. |
| 06:45.00 | Supaplex | GhostlyDeath: in grub? observe DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST |
| 06:45.02 | Guerin | that's because she's dead |
| 06:45.13 | Zemus | Guerin: I guess she never says anything when her mouth is full. |
| 06:45.18 | GhostlyDeath | Supaplex: but I want windows first!!! |
| 06:45.18 | roxy_ | how can I run 3 commands, one after the other, not depending of the return value of each ? |
| 06:45.35 | Supaplex | GhostlyDeath: then put it at the top of menu.lst |
| 06:45.46 | Azar | Zemus: I can see you will at least end up on someone's ignore |
| 06:45.51 | Supaplex | roxy_: ls ; true ; false ; ls |
| 06:45.52 | liable | put it outside automagic |
| 06:45.54 | Guerin | Zemus: you must have had to dig a big hole ... how did you avoid the graveyard security? |
| 06:45.55 | Zemus | Azar: ;) |
| 06:45.56 | GhostlyDeath | Supaplex: before AUTOMAGIC right? |
| 06:46.14 | Supaplex | GhostlyDeath: yes |
| 06:46.17 | roxy_ | Supaplex: doesn't it create its own shell and run concurrently ? |
| 06:46.18 | Zemus | Guerin: They dug the coffin up :D |
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| 06:46.31 | Guerin | classy |
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| 06:46.37 | Supaplex | roxy_: you said one after another. did you want them all at once? |
| 06:46.38 | liable | not really |
| 06:46.47 | liable | i would lean towards childish |
| 06:47.14 | roxy_ | Supaplex: no. I thought that foo;bar; would run foo and bar at the same time in their own shell . I don't want that. |
| 06:47.17 | Azar | I would say he got the wrong distro.... |
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| 06:47.44 | Supaplex | roxy_: it'll run in the same shell, but it'll run them one at a time |
| 06:47.53 | roxy_ | Supaplex: thanks |
| 06:48.21 | destynova | greets |
| 06:48.51 | liable | aptitude has some bugs atm, no |
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| 06:49.03 | liable | gdm has a nice one too |
| 06:49.35 | Zemus | meh. |
| 06:49.38 | Supaplex | if bugs are undocumented features, or documentation is at bugs.debian.org. no undocumented features here. ;) |
| 06:49.52 | Zemus | Well, if etch can't handle pidgin easily, I'll just switch to gentoo. |
| 06:49.52 | Supaplex | s/or /our / |
| 06:49.54 | Zemus | gnnnnnight |
| 06:49.58 | destynova | i have a few questions |
| 06:50.12 | Supaplex | destynova: if it's debian related, |
| 06:50.12 | Supaplex | !tell destynova -about ask |
| 06:50.16 | Azar | well strangely enough trying to get wodim with apt-get I cut it with y/n ? n and it still started downloading, I had to CTL - C to stop |
| 06:50.16 | liable | so ask them.. |
| 06:50.40 | destynova | why are there so many debian cd images? |
| 06:50.54 | liable | its not that hard! |
| 06:51.05 | Supaplex | destynova: because there's mountains of software available. you only need netinst to install though. |
| 06:51.09 | Azar | liable: hehe, streuner walked me through... unfortunately, does not go with a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 06:51.10 | xand | destynova: because they contain every single package |
| 06:51.28 | destynova | i want to install the main os just to try it out |
| 06:51.35 | Supaplex | !tell destynova -about netinst |
| 06:51.37 | destynova | all i need is internet |
| 06:51.40 | liable | Azar: if you have wodim, you have etch, if you have etch, you *should* upgrade your kernel |
| 06:51.47 | destynova | i'm on kubuntu atm |
| 06:51.54 | Azar | destynova: usually only the 1rst CD does it, but for people who don't have internet connection.... the others are having all extras |
| 06:52.01 | TraceGreen | Hello, when i use /etc/init.d/udev start, only my oss drivers are loaded, why not alsa? |
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| 06:52.07 | streuner | Azar: "debhelper" was the problem |
| 06:52.08 | Azar | liable: sticking with sarge atm |
| 06:52.17 | liable | Azar: wodim wasnt in sarge |
| 06:52.20 | semprix | whats the latest kernel? |
| 06:52.28 | liable | for what? |
| 06:52.33 | Azar | liable: I know.... no cd burner in sarge |
| 06:52.41 | streuner | for stable 2.6.18, but you could use anytime backports |
| 06:52.44 | xand | cdrecord |
| 06:52.45 | liable | Azar: .... cdrecord |
| 06:52.46 | streuner | !backports |
| 06:52.46 | dpkg | i heard backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 06:52.51 | Supaplex | TraceGreen: use one or the other. alsa > oss. if you use oss, alsa won't have access to that hardware. alsa also provides a legacy oss layer. |
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| 06:52.55 | destynova | ok kewl will the net install get rid of my kubuntu? |
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| 06:53.04 | Azar | liable: cdrecord only on a 2.4.27 kernel with scsi support |
| 06:53.10 | arikael_ | hi |
| 06:53.10 | liable | Azar: it was in woddy, and previous even |
| 06:53.12 | liable | Azar: wrong |
| 06:53.26 | Azar | liable: :) let me show you please holdon |
| 06:53.34 | liable | Azar: ignore shillings rants when cdrecord starts |
| 06:53.37 | TraceGreen | Supaplex, so, what do you mean? Should i recompile my kernel and just include alsa? |
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| 06:53.41 | Supaplex | destynova: if you want to. the debian installer has "parted" - which can resize/move/juggle data and partitions |
| 06:53.43 | xand | cdrecord works with 2.6 |
| 06:54.12 | destynova | k, tnx alot people very helpfull! |
| 06:54.14 | Supaplex | TraceGreen: I'd blacklist oss, and load alsa. I hope you're using a debian stock kernel unless you have special hardware requirements etc. |
| 06:54.35 | semprix | guys whats the latest kernel? |
| 06:54.41 | liable | for what? |
| 06:54.53 | semprix | 2.6.22.1 <--?? |
| 06:55.00 | arikael_ | is it possible in Debian/Linux to define somekind of subusers? means I have user User1 which has a subuser User2. User1 would have access to everything User2 does/have? (i'm new to linux :) ) |
| 06:55.04 | Supaplex | semprix: for kernel.org, or debian? |
| 06:55.10 | semprix | debian |
| 06:55.14 | capiira | hmm hi how can i temp boot into the shell? i need to install the nvidia-drivers and x can't be running |
| 06:55.20 | semprix | Supaplex, debian |
| 06:55.20 | TraceGreen | Supaplex, I use debian kernel. but what do you mean of "blacklist"? How can i make alsa drivers loaded? |
| 06:55.25 | Supaplex | semprix: for etch? |
| 06:55.30 | Azar | liable: http://paste.debian.net/32900 |
| 06:55.30 | Supaplex | !tell TraceGreen -about blacklist |
| 06:55.42 | semprix | Supaplex, yes |
| 06:55.46 | cahoot | capiira, invoke-rc.d gdm stop |
| 06:55.53 | xand | capiira: press ctrl-alt-F1 to go to console, then login and do /etc/init.d/{g,k,x}dm stop |
| 06:56.09 | capiira | thanks |
| 06:56.11 | liable | Azar: ignore it |
| 06:56.17 | liable | Azar: did you even try? |
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| 06:56.31 | Supaplex | semprix: 2.6.18-4. just install linux-image-2.6 and it'll keep the latest 2.6 kernel installed. |
| 06:56.40 | Azar | liable: yes two days ago was trying to burn a Debian-Hurd iso |
| 06:56.44 | Azar | no workie |
| 06:57.01 | semprix | Supaplex, thanks |
| 06:57.11 | Azar | so I took an old box, installed woody, upgraded to sarge with 2.4.27 and voila! burner |
| 06:57.13 | liable | Azar: |
| 06:57.26 | liable | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-do-i-write-cd-at-debain-linux-command-prompt.html |
| 06:57.37 | xand | "debain"? |
| 06:57.39 | liable | stupid middle button has stopped working. |
| 06:57.43 | Azar | goodie, going to read |
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| 06:57.48 | Supaplex | Azar: is your drive ide or scsi? |
| 06:57.53 | Azar | scsi |
| 06:58.01 | Azar | both this and the old PC |
| 06:58.14 | liable | you have a scsi cd burner? |
| 06:58.18 | Supaplex | Azar: not ide-scsi, but real scsi? |
| 06:58.37 | Supaplex | old skewl :P |
| 06:58.37 | Azar | Supaplex: not sure but on both, cdrecord said it detected scsi |
| 06:58.44 | liable | they aint very common though |
| 06:58.49 | Supaplex | Azar: try wodim --devices |
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| 06:58.53 | arikael_ | anybody? :-) |
| 06:59.22 | Azar | Supaplex: hehe well no wodim on sarge, and simple sid backport did not quite work |
| 06:59.28 | Supaplex | arikael_: sudo could. |
| 06:59.50 | liable | Azar: s/wodim/cdrecord/ |
| 06:59.53 | Supaplex | Azar: ok. see cdrecord --devices and cdrecord -scanbus |
| 07:00.12 | liable | Azar: why do you always insist on running the oldstable release? |
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| 07:01.35 | Azar | liable: I am in a terrible psychical state now: I would go for etch, but I would also go back.. |
| 07:02.04 | wols | and why can't you run etch? religious objections? |
| 07:02.08 | Supaplex | !spell psychical |
| 07:02.10 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 07:02.13 | liable | physical? |
| 07:02.18 | Azar | I have a bad feeling that the more Debian advances, the less I learn, the more I forget |
| 07:02.28 | Azar | it becomes a point and click thingie |
| 07:02.35 | Azar | no pun intended |
| 07:02.55 | Azar | and I haven't even learned half I need to know about Debian |
| 07:03.00 | Azar | :) |
| 07:03.31 | Azar | I wasn't even able to use the Sarge's installer... gave up on it |
| 07:03.42 | metbsd | how do i clear firewall rules? |
| 07:03.54 | liable | depends how you made em |
| 07:04.11 | liable | -Z or -X or both iirc |
| 07:04.12 | Azar | with cheese, eggs and flour |
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| 07:06.25 | Azar | good night honorables..going to bed |
| 07:06.44 | liable | laters |
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| 07:07.15 | vaq | How can i keep a packages locked from being installed ? (apt-get) |
| 07:07.22 | Supaplex | metbsd: -F |
| 07:07.32 | Supaplex | !hold |
| 07:07.32 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 07:07.36 | liable | vaq: held or not installed? |
| 07:07.47 | liable | if its a depends, you can't. |
| 07:08.17 | Supaplex | unless you want to break something. eg, equivs |
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| 07:12.25 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: we're out getting coffee, of course. |
| 07:13.23 | destynova | so i was trying out kubuntu and i though, why not just try the real thing |
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| 07:21.27 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:21.27 | dpkg | somebody said qotd168 was <Maulkin> *mumble*raid0-isn't-raid*mumble* * resiak removes two of Maulkin's chair's legs. "It's okay, because they were in a redundant array!" |
| 07:22.09 | lekvar | howcome the nvidia kernel modules aren't in lenny |
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| 07:23.08 | liable | you have non-free? |
| 07:23.20 | netdaemon | 2.6.21 just made it to lenny, i imagine its still in unstable |
| 07:23.24 | n03sc | Anyone that could help me to install fglrx properly? |
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| 07:23.36 | lekvar | # cat /etc/apt/sources.list | xargs echo |
| 07:23.37 | lekvar | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 07:24.17 | liable | why did you just pipe that? |
| 07:24.40 | destynova | whats debian 4.0 kernel version? |
| 07:24.42 | lekvar | pasted. answering the question. |
| 07:24.59 | liable | destynova: .18 |
| 07:25.05 | tarzeau | destynova: 2.6 |
| 07:25.19 | destynova | kewl t.x |
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| 07:25.21 | lekvar | i've pasted in bad taste. paste never did taste all that good... |
| 07:25.22 | destynova | *tnx |
| 07:25.22 | tarzeau | destynova: but you can easily use the latest, which is 2.6.22.1 from kernel.org |
| 07:25.22 | liable | lekvar: just wondering why you piped it to xargs |
| 07:25.32 | lekvar | liable: oh! makes it all go on one line |
| 07:25.41 | destynova | easy to upgrade kernel? |
| 07:25.49 | lekvar | it's a handy way to collet mulitple lines up into one. maybe there's a cleaner way? |
| 07:25.52 | liable | lekvar: ah, thats the only sane reason i was hoping you would say ;) |
| 07:26.04 | tarzeau | lekvar: coul'dve also used echo `cat /etc/apt/sources.list` |
| 07:26.15 | lekvar | oh yea, good one |
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| 07:26.35 | lekvar | the day i learned the $( ) construct the world was never the same |
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| 07:27.02 | liable | most people say that about when they first got laid |
| 07:27.14 | cydork | lekvar: similar thing happened to me when i learned Perl! :) |
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| 07:27.24 | liable | cydork: you sick puppy! |
| 07:27.28 | tarzeau | lekvar: i'm just missing nesting them more easily (more than two times) |
| 07:27.52 | lekvar | liable: that's rediculous, sex with anyone worth having sex with tends to get better every time, at least at first |
| 07:28.05 | cydork | liable: heh :P |
| 07:28.16 | n03sc | I have some problems to get fglrx to work with stable, I do not remember how to do it. (I use the fglrx-kernel-src because I want the 3d-accerleration) Anyone care to help me out? |
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| 07:28.41 | tralala | tarzeau, nesting... ouch. *Don't* show me your code. |
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| 07:29.07 | lekvar | tarzeau: I put together some pretty whacked out shell pipelines with those... great way to generate arguments for a for loop for example |
| 07:29.10 | liable | n03sc: try 'm-a a-i fglrx-kernel-src' |
| 07:29.25 | n03sc | What does that do? |
| 07:29.29 | n03sc | oh nvm :P |
| 07:29.32 | tarzeau | tralala: why? it's nice :) |
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| 07:29.41 | n03sc | liable, I did that. |
| 07:29.56 | tarzeau | lekvar: look what i've used last week to measure network speed on workstations: for a in `lshosts`; do echo -ne "$a "; ssh root@$a 'echo "`curl -sS -m3 -o/dev/null http://heustock.ethz.ch/mirror/gnustep/GNUSTEP-i486-1.0.iso 2>&1 | awk '"'"'{print $(NF-5)}'"'"'` / 3 / 1024 / 1024" | bc'; done |
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| 07:30.06 | liable | n03sc: and if it didnt whine, then you can just load fglrx and restart x |
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| 07:30.13 | n03sc | But it does not seem to change and I don't get "glxinfo" installed. |
| 07:30.25 | liable | n03sc: after editing your xorg.conf |
| 07:30.37 | n03sc | liable, Do I have to edit it by myself? |
| 07:30.44 | liable | n03sc: glxinfo is in package 'mesa-utils' |
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| 07:30.59 | lekvar | tarzeau: that looks a lot like what i do, actually |
| 07:31.05 | liable | n03sc: the one you are thinking of is fglrx-glxinfo or similar |
| 07:31.06 | n03sc | Doh! :P That's why I don't have it, forgot to install it |
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| 07:31.30 | n03sc | What should I write under "device" in xorg.conf then? |
| 07:31.31 | lekvar | tarzeau: (and I thought I was crazy;) ) |
| 07:31.53 | liable | n03sc: just change the driver from vesa to fglrx |
| 07:31.53 | tralala | n03sc, don't edit it manully |
| 07:32.00 | tralala | n03sc, /msg dpkg drxx |
| 07:32.15 | tarzeau | lekvar: hehe, how many computers? care to help the #openbios guys with some flashrom output (just reads of the bios code)? |
| 07:32.33 | TravellingSalesM | hi, i've installed ipw220, ieee80211 and also copied firmware to the right directory, now my iwconfig shows the wireless as eth2 and iwlist shows all the APs but when i want to enable it (ifconfig up eth2) i get KERNEL PANIC :(. any clue? |
| 07:32.40 | tarzeau | lekvar: but wait, you haven't seen my other scripts: www.linuks.mine.nu/perm/ and www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver :) |
| 07:33.05 | tarzeau | lekvar: or www.linuks.mine.nu/uapt/ and http://asdfasdf.ethz.ch/~tar/bugstats/ (see the bottom for the scripts) |
| 07:33.16 | tarzeau | lekvar: shell scripting can be so much fun |
| 07:33.52 | tralala | TravellingSalesM, which kernel? |
| 07:34.06 | liable | TravellingSalesM: you shouldn't need to install the ieee package if you use an etch or newer kernel |
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| 07:34.22 | TravellingSalesM | tralala: 2.6.18 |
| 07:34.58 | lekvar | tarzeau: I find it endlessly rewarding, in part because making limited mechanisms do broadly cool things turns me on |
| 07:35.14 | TravellingSalesM | liable: i have etch, is there any solution to that? iwlist shows all the APs, but when i do 'sudo ifconfig eth2 up' kernel panic ! :( |
| 07:35.31 | tarzeau | lekvar: hey you might find this interesting: https://inventory.phys.ethz.ch/stats/ |
| 07:35.40 | liable | TravellingSalesM: all you needed to do was install firmware |
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| 07:35.55 | liable | TravellingSalesM: do you have only one kernel installed? |
| 07:35.58 | n03sc | tralala, Should I enable "Kernel framebuffer"? |
| 07:36.28 | liable | n03sc: doesnt matter |
| 07:36.41 | n03sc | How come? What is it used for? |
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| 07:37.37 | TravellingSalesM | liable: yes |
| 07:37.39 | liable | well, it doesnt matter if you do or dont, but it will let you have smaller console fonts via the vesa driver if you do have it and set a vga value |
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| 07:38.01 | liable | TravellingSalesM: go into the ieee source and run make uninstall |
| 07:38.11 | liable | TravellingSalesM: then reinstall your kernel |
| 07:38.12 | MarcoPau | hello, I need to give permits to a user on an already mounted partition. can anybody help? |
| 07:38.17 | tralala | n03sc, it might make your system unstable. I have very bad experience with framebuffers |
| 07:38.29 | TravellingSalesM | liable: how can i reinstall kernel? any special command? |
| 07:38.53 | lekvar | tarzeau: somehow it all looks familliar |
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| 07:38.56 | liable | TravellingSalesM: apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-`uname -r` |
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| 07:40.50 | TravellingSalesM | liable: many thanks |
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| 07:42.36 | tarzeau | lekvar: so you also have such things. i wonder how others do it |
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| 07:45.51 | metbsd | rm: cannot remove directory `/var/lib/openwebmail/users': Device or resource busy |
| 07:45.57 | metbsd | i don't know what's using it |
| 07:46.26 | liable | a user? |
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| 07:47.46 | semprix | ps ? |
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| 07:48.13 | metbsd | hothing |
| 07:48.40 | tralala | fuser,lsof |
| 07:50.31 | pressenter | Anyone seen a deb package of poweriso? |
| 07:50.48 | n03sc | Anyone know where I can find the "standard" resolutions for widescreen formats? |
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| 07:51.11 | metbsd | fuser -v /var/lib/openwebmail/users returns nothing |
| 07:51.24 | metbsd | also lsof |
| 07:51.39 | lekvar | n03sc - the list of resolutions in the xorg configurator? |
| 07:52.40 | tralala | n03sc, user you monitor's native/recommended resolution |
| 07:52.43 | n03sc | lekvar, It just says alof of resolutions :P Would be nice to have just 3-4 that I know works properly (don't strecth etc.) |
| 07:53.09 | n03sc | tralala, Well I don't know them (laptop) Only that the max resolution is 1440*900 |
| 07:53.10 | lekvar | there are different aspect ratios in widescreen so it "depends" |
| 07:53.27 | tralala | n03sc, use that |
| 07:53.36 | n03sc | ok :P Then we do it hardcore style :P Get 'em all! |
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| 07:54.46 | lekvar | my method of finding out... load newegg, computer hardware, monitors, lcd monitors, power search... there's a list 1/4-1/3 way down the page |
| 07:55.08 | metbsd | don't know how to delete /var/lib/openwebmail/users. something/someone is using it but i can't find out who |
| 07:55.47 | n03sc | lekvar, newegg? A program? |
| 07:56.10 | lekvar | http://www.newegg.com is a US online computer dealer |
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| 07:56.29 | n03sc | Oh, I see. I'll try to find *digging* |
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| 07:57.13 | lekvar | newegg's exhaustive in someway but they dont have cool firewire musical equipment really |
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| 07:59.50 | n03sc | lekvar, But I have a laptop-screen. I don't know what it's called =) |
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| 08:01.15 | lekvar | n03sc: What you need is a magnifying glass. Get one, and count the pixels. |
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| 08:01.36 | n03sc | lekvar, NIce :P Good idea... *gone shopping* |
| 08:02.06 | lekvar | do i get some kind of prize for that? |
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| 08:02.54 | n03sc | Woho - works really well. |
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| 08:03.13 | destynova | tnx for the help peeps i just burned myself a debian cd and i'm off to install |
| 08:03.15 | destynova | cheers |
| 08:03.28 | metrics | metbsd: lsof |
| 08:03.34 | lekvar | see you soon, destynova |
| 08:03.38 | destynova | KD |
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| 08:04.19 | netdaemon | what cpu scalling daemon do you guy's recommend? |
| 08:04.52 | netdaemon | scaling* |
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| 08:04.56 | tralala | powernowd |
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| 08:06.26 | metbsd | but lsof <folder> returns nothing |
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| 08:07.53 | metrics | try with sudo and I usually use a grep...so sudo lsof | grep '/var/lib/openwebmail/users' |
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| 08:10.16 | WuilliaM_vE | hi, i need help |
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| 08:11.06 | metrics | don't ask to ask...just ask. |
| 08:11.17 | WuilliaM_vE | how can i do to rename a lot of file at same time, ex: i have 100pictures names Sxxxx.JPG but i need Sxxxx.jpg, whitout capts lock |
| 08:11.31 | tralala | WuilliaM_vE, man rename |
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| 08:11.54 | WuilliaM_vE | i try, but i need to rename only the extention |
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| 08:13.00 | tralala | WuilliaM_vE, rename 's/JPG$/jpg/' |
| 08:13.01 | metrics | WuilliaM_vE: What command did you try... |
| 08:13.02 | tralala | WuilliaM_vE, rename 's/JPG$/jpg/' *JPG |
| 08:13.10 | metrics | Bah... |
| 08:13.13 | tralala | or S*JPG |
| 08:13.16 | metrics | don't give away the answer :) |
| 08:14.56 | tralala | metrics, he doesn't seem like somebody who has heard of regexp and I don't really want to get started with it |
| 08:15.20 | metrics | fair nough. |
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| 08:16.09 | metbsd | metrics, what if it doesn't show in lsof |
| 08:16.27 | Crypticfortune | is there some command for cleaning out /var/cache/apt/archives? or should i just rm stuff in there that i don't need? |
| 08:16.41 | metrics | metbsd: What error are you actually getting? |
| 08:16.47 | metrics | Crypticfortune: apt-cache clean |
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| 08:16.58 | metbsd | rm: cannot remove directory `/var/lib/openwebmail/users': Device or resource busy |
| 08:17.10 | metrics | or you can use aptitude to clean the package cache. |
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| 08:19.17 | Crypticfortune | metrics: apt-cache clean says "E: Invalid operation clean" on both a sid box and a sarge box |
| 08:19.27 | tralala | Crypticfortune, aptitude clean |
| 08:19.32 | Kjikaqawej | apt-get clean |
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| 08:19.55 | metrics | yeah...sorry. |
| 08:20.01 | syed_nawaz | hello |
| 08:20.27 | Crypticfortune | tralala: aptitude did it. thanks |
| 08:20.54 | tralala | aptitude does everything (even minesweeping) |
| 08:20.55 | syed_nawaz | i am trying to install postgresql-8.2 in debian 3.1 and it throws the following error |
| 08:20.58 | syed_nawaz | dpkg: error processing postgresql-common (--configure): |
| 08:20.58 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 08:21.18 | tralala | dpkg, good girl! |
| 08:21.18 | dpkg | tralala: aw, gee |
| 08:21.33 | syed_nawaz | dpkg: error processing postgresql-common (--configure): |
| 08:21.33 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 08:21.34 | syed_nawaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.34 | syed_nawaz | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of postgresql-8.2: |
| 08:21.34 | syed_nawaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.34 | syed_nawaz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:21.35 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 08:21.42 | Kjikaqawej | ... |
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| 08:22.10 | liable | dpkg: what would you know! |
| 08:22.11 | Kjikaqawej | /kickban syed_nawaz |
| 08:22.11 | tralala | syed_nawaz, /msg dpkg paste |
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| 08:22.58 | syed_nawaz | Tralala: how can i use a paster |
| 08:23.06 | Kjikaqawej | !paster |
| 08:23.06 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 08:23.14 | tralala | syed_nawaz, open rafb.net/paste in a browser |
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| 08:25.37 | syed_nawaz | tralala, i have pasted the error, and the link is URL: http://rafb.net/p/qQccE325.html |
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| 08:26.11 | qiyong | my SMART is disabled, should I enable it? |
| 08:26.14 | qiyong | !smart |
| 08:26.14 | dpkg | from memory, smart is the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure, or see the smartmontools package. |
| 08:26.19 | tralala | syed_nawaz, try "aptitude install -f" |
| 08:26.58 | syed_nawaz | tralala, did you mean aptitude install -f postgresql-8.2 |
| 08:27.11 | tralala | no |
| 08:27.42 | Crypticfortune | syed_nawaz: "aptitude install -f" alone does magical things (namely attempts to fix broken packages) |
| 08:27.42 | Kjikaqawej | he would've said that if he meant that |
| 08:29.53 | Crypticfortune | has SMART ever actually saved anyone here? i've never actually seen it work properly.... |
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| 08:30.35 | user1_ | help: rm: cannot remove directory `/var/lib/openwebmail/users': Device or resource busy and lsof returns nothing |
| 08:30.36 | syed_nawaz | did aptitude install -f and this is the error i got http://rafb.net/p/GkKSvQ65.html |
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| 08:32.07 | sanelson | I'm having problems removing a packages - lmodern |
| 08:33.05 | sanelson | fonts not registered or /usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 does not exist or is not a directory |
| 08:33.09 | tralala | syed_nawaz, paste the output of cat /etc/group to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 08:33.32 | Crypticfortune | syed_nawaz: do you already have a group 116 perhaps? (i'm just guessing...) you could try "sudo /usr/sbin/groupadd -g 116 postgres" and see what error exactly that command is getting? |
| 08:33.40 | sanelson | this is with a simple dpkg --remove |
| 08:34.07 | Kjikaqawej | sanelson: file a bug on it. it needs updating |
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| 08:34.41 | Kjikaqawej | it being the package in question |
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| 08:35.01 | sanelson | in the meantime can I fix / remove it manually? |
| 08:35.23 | AmigoLu | Debian looks very cool with proper nvidia drivers :D |
| 08:35.30 | sanelson | aptitude won't upgrade atm because of it |
| 08:35.37 | syed_nawaz | tralala, this the output of cat /etc/group http://rafb.net/p/nKjEUC59.html |
| 08:35.52 | Crypticfortune | AmigoLu: then add beryl ^^ |
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| 08:36.21 | netdaemon | looks fine with nv drivers to me |
| 08:36.37 | Kjikaqawej | sanelson: i suppose just mkdir -p'ing that dir would help in removing it |
| 08:36.48 | AmigoLu | Crypticfortune: jeje already done :D with xfce |
| 08:37.01 | syed_nawaz | Crypticfortune, i am getting an error "segmentation fault" when i executed the command you said |
| 08:37.02 | tralala | syed_nawaz, and what is this "/usr/sbin/groupadd -g 116 postgres" saying? |
| 08:37.26 | syed_nawaz | tralala, segmentation fault |
| 08:37.26 | Crypticfortune | syed_nawaz: seg fault on groupadd?? that's a very bad thing.... =/ |
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| 08:37.40 | sanelson | yeah; still get a bunch if /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/lm/lmtti10.pfb: not registered. |
| 08:37.44 | sanelson | type messages |
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| 08:38.08 | Kjikaqawej | are they causing it to error out? |
| 08:38.23 | syed_nawaz | Crypticfortune, how should i proceed further |
| 08:38.23 | tralala | syed_nawaz, sounds like your pc has been messed up. Can you recall the recent events? |
| 08:38.56 | sanelson | Kjikaqawej: yes |
| 08:38.58 | Crypticfortune | syed_nawaz: that's kind of a core debian program that shouldn't be segfaulting. if that's broken, then i'd expect the rest of your system is probably near breaking/has been hacked. |
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| 08:39.01 | sanelson | not sure how to register them |
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| 08:39.27 | Kjikaqawej | from some tetex stuff or texlive... |
| 08:39.33 | syed_nawaz | Crypticfortune, Oops |
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| 08:39.47 | edistar | hey, anyone here experiencing problems with nvidia drivers in lenny too? |
| 08:39.51 | Kjikaqawej | what a pain... see bts first |
| 08:39.57 | Kjikaqawej | sanelson: ^^ |
| 08:40.02 | tarzeau | edistar: not me |
| 08:40.18 | Crypticfortune | syed_nawaz: i think your quickest solution would be to back up any personal data and do a reinstall of debian...but as tralala said, any recent notable events? |
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| 08:40.29 | edistar | I can't seem to compidoesn't want to install nvidia-gxl either |
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| 08:40.38 | syed_nawaz | Crypticfortune, no recent notable events |
| 08:40.43 | cahoot | tarzeau, you don't use the debian method for nvidia? |
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| 08:40.56 | syed_nawaz | Crypticfortune, is backing up and reinstalling the debian the only solution available |
| 08:41.15 | tralala | syed_nawaz, pretty much yes |
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| 08:41.26 | Kjikaqawej | oh fun :( |
| 08:41.31 | Kjikaqawej | that bad eh? |
| 08:41.42 | tralala | it's the easiest for sure |
| 08:41.42 | tarzeau | cahoot: no of course not :) we gots the newest nvidia hardware (unsupported by debian) |
| 08:41.44 | syed_nawaz | tralala, ok. thanks.. |
| 08:42.06 | cahoot | tarzeau, figures |
| 08:42.17 | KermitTheFragger | hi all |
| 08:42.18 | tarzeau | cahoot: but fully automatic, http://debian.ethz.ch/d-i/nvidia-driver |
| 08:42.31 | KermitTheFragger | does anybody know if you can put a divce back online ? |
| 08:42.34 | Crypticfortune | syed_nawaz: anything else is going to be pretty wild and hacky (like trying to identify and reinstall the damaged programs). but without knowing -why- it broke in the first place, you can be pretty sure it'll happen again. reinstall is probably safest. |
| 08:42.36 | KermitTheFragger | after the kernel has disabled it ? |
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| 08:42.45 | KermitTheFragger | im seeing "rejecting i/o to offline device" errors :( |
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| 08:43.15 | syed_nawaz | Crypticfortune, yeah. i have already started copying the data..thanks |
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| 08:43.51 | syed_nawaz | Crypticfortune, i will take the backup and then try to find if any solution is available |
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| 08:44.18 | Kjikaqawej | KermitTheFragger: usually hardware reason for that; either something really dumb and simple, or really crappy. start at the bottom of it. cables, jumpers, etc. |
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| 08:44.40 | KermitTheFragger | Kjikaqawej: stupid tapedrive got jammed :( |
| 08:44.57 | KermitTheFragger | Kjikaqawej: so i replaced it with another unit i had in stock |
| 08:45.06 | KermitTheFragger | Kjikaqawej: ok, i admit, i took it from another server :) |
| 08:45.18 | KermitTheFragger | Kjikaqawej: but the device is still offline |
| 08:45.55 | Kjikaqawej | how did you replace it? hotplug it, connect new one and reboot? |
| 08:46.03 | KermitTheFragger | hotswap |
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| 08:46.16 | Kjikaqawej | eh, is it hotswappable? |
| 08:46.23 | KermitTheFragger | its a HP storageworks DAT 72 |
| 08:46.31 | KermitTheFragger | yes its hotswappable :) |
| 08:46.35 | Kjikaqawej | means fuck all to me |
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| 08:47.02 | sanelson | Thinkk I'll have to hack the prerm script |
| 08:47.23 | Kjikaqawej | sanelson: probably. that's what i end up doing sometimes |
| 08:47.47 | KermitTheFragger | but is there a way to re enable the device in linux after the kernel took it offline (without a reboot)? |
| 08:47.48 | ogamiitto | hello, accidentally I deleted /var/cache directory so i need to regenerate /var/cache/apt also /var/cache/debconf in the machine, ¿any clues? |
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| 08:47.54 | Kjikaqawej | KermitTheFragger: scsi tape or ide? |
| 08:47.59 | KermitTheFragger | scsi tape |
| 08:48.09 | Kjikaqawej | ide i wouldn't know how. ok, there's hope |
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| 08:49.30 | Kjikaqawej | just need to either a) manually add the device to the bus or b) scan for it. there's scsi tools in debian that will allow you to do both or either of those |
| 08:50.14 | KermitTheFragger | echo "rescan" > /proc/drivers/cciss/cciss1 didnt do anything :( |
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| 08:50.38 | destynova | i have returned |
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| 08:52.00 | KermitTheFragger | Kjikaqawej: but for as far as i can see, the device is already on the bus, the kernel just took it offline |
| 08:52.04 | KermitTheFragger | it didnt remove it |
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| 08:52.09 | destynova | oops |
| 08:52.34 | Kjikaqawej | it's probably confused with the other one. happens |
| 08:54.22 | KermitTheFragger | is there no easy way to have the kernel just mark the device as online again ? |
| 08:54.31 | KermitTheFragger | overide the offline flag so to say |
| 08:54.53 | tralala | I'd think it much more than a flag |
| 08:54.56 | Kjikaqawej | yeh, there's like 2 scsi tools in debian that can do that |
| 08:54.57 | tralala | it's |
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| 08:57.25 | KermitTheFragger | tralala: its what ? |
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| 08:58.10 | KermitTheFragger | Kjikaqawej: which two tools ? sdparm ? |
| 08:58.29 | Kjikaqawej | you can add in a hotswap tape drive, you can use apt-cache search ;). never used that one |
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| 08:59.27 | KermitTheFragger | Kjikaqawej: im just a Java programmer :) |
| 08:59.51 | Kjikaqawej | excuses excuses ;P |
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| 09:01.02 | user1_ | rm: cannot remove directory `/var/lib/openwebmail/users': Device or resource busy and lsof returns nothing |
| 09:01.09 | Kjikaqawej | that's always fun, some effing host doing a massive portscan, repeatedly |
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| 09:01.47 | Kjikaqawej | !tell jasperhax0r -about root |
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| 09:03.09 | artagnon | My libc6 upgrade was held back for the following reason: http://rafb.net/p/SHvdcw55.html |
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| 09:03.21 | artagnon | why does it want so many packages to be removed? |
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| 09:04.16 | artagnon | I'm running Lenny and my current libc6 version is 2.5-9+b1 |
| 09:04.21 | artagnon | I want to upgrade it |
| 09:04.41 | Coke | Hello. I'm trying to enable the TCP listening for my X server to use a remote desktop via VNC, I've grep'ed and removed -nolisten tcp and there's no "nolisten" in any file under /etc/X11, yet when I ps -af I get /usr/bin/X with a -nolisten option, how do I disable it? |
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| 09:05.21 | tralala | artagnon, perhaps they haven't been recompiled against the new libc yet |
| 09:05.49 | Kjikaqawej | artagnon: libc6 upgrades are never to be taken lightly |
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| 09:06.04 | tralala | Coke, try the config files of your display manager |
| 09:06.13 | artagnon | Kjikaqawej: yes I understand. What do I do? |
| 09:06.25 | artagnon | tralala: okay, so with the new libc6, I don't get a g++? |
| 09:06.32 | artagnon | that would be horrible |
| 09:06.38 | Kjikaqawej | put it on hold |
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| 09:08.01 | artagnon | Kjikaqawej: it is on hold |
| 09:08.05 | artagnon | but I need a new libc6 |
| 09:08.22 | artagnon | Kjikaqawej: apt-get upgrade doesn't upgrade libc6 |
| 09:08.33 | user1_ | rm: cannot remove directory `/var/lib/openwebmail/users': Device or resource busy and lsof returns nothing |
| 09:09.04 | destynova | how can i uninstall iceweasel |
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| 09:09.08 | Coke | Where do I change the options to the /usr/bin/X command for gdm? I want to remove -nolisten tcp |
| 09:09.24 | destynova | i installed firefox but it just keeps opening ice weasel |
| 09:09.47 | artagnon | destynova: iceweasel is firefox |
| 09:09.56 | artagnon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel |
| 09:10.04 | destynova | i want the branded version |
| 09:10.16 | artagnon | destynova: get some other distribution |
| 09:10.35 | tralala | destynova, it's *not* in debian |
| 09:11.08 | dondelelcaro | destynova: there's no difference between the branded version and the debian version besides the name and logos. |
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| 09:11.23 | jelly-home | and the User-Agent |
| 09:11.28 | dondelelcaro | destynova: if you want the branded version, we can't distribute it. You'll have to compile it and install it yourself. |
| 09:11.46 | jelly-home | or just download from getfirefox.com |
| 09:11.46 | k31th | uhh guys if i have changed some iptables but NOT saved wats the best way to reverse what I have done? |
| 09:11.56 | destynova | okies i see, i just couldnt get a firefox icons pack to work |
| 09:11.58 | tralala | artagnon, you will but you might need to wait until the new versions reach testing |
| 09:12.41 | artagnon | tralala: I see. So I don't have copies of g++ against the new libc6 |
| 09:12.54 | destynova | what about my mot free videocard drivers, canyou guys help me with that? |
| 09:12.56 | artagnon | s/against/compiled against |
| 09:12.58 | destynova | *not |
| 09:13.01 | tralala | artagnon, aptitude show g++ |
| 09:13.11 | dondelelcaro | artagnon: why do you want to upgrade the libc6 version? |
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| 09:13.30 | dondelelcaro | (note that testing does have libc6 2.6...) |
| 09:14.12 | destynova | night |
| 09:14.29 | artagnon | dondelelcaro: what am I supposed to make of that information? How is it relevant to my issue? |
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| 09:15.00 | artagnon | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/AVkHde49.html is my output |
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| 09:15.35 | artagnon | depends on libc6 >= 2.5-5 |
| 09:15.46 | k31th | uhh guys if i have changed some iptables but NOT saved wats the best way to reverse what I have done? |
| 09:15.47 | dondelelcaro | artagnon: right, so what's the problem? |
| 09:16.02 | artagnon | dondelelcaro: eh... http://rafb.net/p/SHvdcw55.html |
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| 09:16.44 | ignotus | hello, I have an SSH question: is it possible to configure the ssh demon in Debian so it only accepts logins via RSA keys, but some ips are allowed to use passphrase? |
| 09:16.46 | jjohnson | how do i install all the packages needed to compiles software in debian |
| 09:16.46 | tralala | k31th, given the quality of the question - reboot |
| 09:16.52 | dondelelcaro | artagnon: what does apt-cache policy libc6 g++ g++-4.1; say? |
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| 09:17.08 | ribasushi | hi |
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| 09:17.17 | k31th | tralala: lol would restarting iptables work ? |
| 09:17.39 | tralala | k31th, restarting the computer |
| 09:17.45 | artagnon | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/4ZN9Pl87.html |
| 09:17.59 | ribasushi | I know I can use ~c to search for uninstalled packages that need purging, is there something similar for packages that are manually installed? (or a document that lists all uses of ~X) |
| 09:18.14 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 09:18.15 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 09:18.34 | dondelelcaro | ribasushi: ~i!~M; the search documentation of aptitude documents them all |
| 09:19.01 | jjohnson | ... can anyone help me |
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| 09:19.20 | artagnon | dondelelcaro: as you can see, 2.6-2 is on hold |
| 09:19.46 | dondelelcaro | artagnon: that doesn't show whether it's on hold, actually. |
| 09:19.54 | jjohnson | does anyone here know debian |
| 09:19.59 | artagnon | oh :P |
| 09:20.23 | artagnon | dondelelcaro: well, what did we find out from the output> |
| 09:20.26 | dondelelcaro | artagnon: but in any event, you should be able to apt-get install libc6 g++ g++-4.1; |
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| 09:20.44 | dondelelcaro | artagnon: what I wanted to see was what distribution you were using and what version of g++ was available. |
| 09:20.52 | artagnon | ~ |
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| 09:21.05 | jjohnson | sad |
| 09:21.06 | Coke | I cannot find where gdm starts X, I'm looking to remove the -nolisten tcp option, but cannot find any way to make gdm change it. Where is this configuration stored? |
| 09:21.08 | jjohnson | ... |
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| 09:21.35 | artagnon | dondelelcaro: no, I can't install them both: g++-4.1: Depends: libstdc++6-4.1-dev (= 4.1.2-13) but it is not going to be installed |
| 09:21.37 | dondelelcaro | Coke: you generally don't want to remove that; you're better off using ssh tunneling |
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| 09:22.01 | Coke | dondelelcaro: I'm looking to connect to a vnc server from a windows machine on the LAN, the box is using a local IP |
| 09:22.30 | jjohnson | DEBIAN SUCKS, get a real distro Run SLACKWARE!!! |
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| 09:22.58 | dondelelcaro | jjohnson: if you actually have a question, it'd be polite to wait for an answer in the future. |
| 09:23.00 | tralala | jjohnson, bad call |
| 09:23.05 | artagnon | dondelelcaro: now it wants to get rid of my kernel headers: http://rafb.net/p/soSluG46.html |
| 09:23.32 | kova | hi all, who knows where I can get a deb package for Skype 1.3? |
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| 09:23.35 | streuner | !tell jjohnson about ask |
| 09:23.38 | dondelelcaro | artagnon: yeah, that's fine. That package is going away |
| 09:23.44 | Coke | dondelelcaro: I keep getting "connection refused" when I use vncviewer on my VNC display |
| 09:23.51 | kova | can only find 1.4 on Skype site itself |
| 09:23.56 | artagnon | dondelelcaro: so it should be okay to install now? |
| 09:23.59 | dondelelcaro | artagnon: yerp |
| 09:24.12 | dondelelcaro | Coke: right, if you're on a lan, you need to edit /etc/X11/gdm/Servers iirc. |
| 09:24.21 | tralala | kova, what's wrong with 1.4? |
| 09:24.28 | Coke | dondelelcaro: there's no /etc/X11/gdm directory |
| 09:24.37 | wols | streuner: the problem I have now is: do I answer him his question or would that just reward his behaviour? |
| 09:24.39 | dondelelcaro | Coke: /etc/gdm then; been a while since I've used gdm. |
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| 09:24.41 | artagnon | dondelelcaro: thanks! I wonder why apt didn't auto-resolve deps like it always does.... |
| 09:24.46 | KermitTheFragger | Kjikaqawej: thx for the help, problem is fixed |
| 09:24.47 | kova | hi tralala, I'm trying a product that depends on skype 1.3 |
| 09:24.54 | Coke | dondelelcaro: there's nothing in /etc/gdm that has the word "nolisten" in it |
| 09:25.03 | KermitTheFragger | Kjikaqawej: i removed it from the bus and readded it, now it works again |
| 09:25.29 | KermitTheFragger | Kjikaqawej: and learned some new stuff about scsi in the process, tough i doubt it ill ever need it in Java EE programming :) |
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| 09:26.26 | basanta | is there an irc for font developers |
| 09:26.29 | dondelelcaro | Coke: yeah, it's just the default now. You have to add a server directive which doesn't have it. |
| 09:26.38 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: hey, recommend irssi script for nick collide/recover? |
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| 09:26.52 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: I don't use one, sorry. |
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| 09:27.00 | MangosDebian | :( |
| 09:27.02 | wols | MangosDebian: #irssi |
| 09:27.10 | wols | scripts.irssi.org |
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| 09:27.28 | MangosDebian | wols: im in there, only suggested keepnick, but doesnt handle collides |
| 09:27.39 | tralala | kova, I have 1.3 (some beta I think) installed but I haven't kept the package |
| 09:28.26 | MangosDebian | wols: suppose i could just send the collide/recover commands each time though. |
| 09:28.40 | tralala | MangosDebian, ehance it |
| 09:28.43 | kova | tralala, do you think an rpm package built for fedora could work in debian? |
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| 09:29.04 | GreaseMonkey | leaving now, gnight |
| 09:29.10 | dondelelcaro | kova: possibly, but you generally don't want to use them unless you have no alternative. |
| 09:29.30 | MangosDebian | tralala: ya, ill get right on that :) |
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| 09:30.16 | szymon_g | hi |
| 09:30.17 | MangosDebian | easier just to use autocmds i guess |
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| 09:30.41 | kova | ok, that 'll be plan B then... |
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| 09:31.32 | szymon_g | hi, how long is, usually, kernel-compilation in debian-way? |
| 09:31.44 | ignotus | -Aá-B |
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| 09:37.03 | zrin | how can I measure ethernet throughput between two etch boxes on lan? |
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| 09:37.58 | MangosDebian | iptraf, ethstatus or ifstat |
| 09:37.58 | liable | ftp a big file |
| 09:39.31 | MangosDebian | !listvalus iptraf |
| 09:39.36 | MangosDebian | !listvalues iptraf |
| 09:39.38 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'iptraf' by value (1): iptraf. |
| 09:39.52 | MangosDebian | !listvalues bandwidth |
| 09:39.53 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'bandwidth' by value (15 of 36): bandwidth_limiting_howto ;; bing ;; broken internet ;; favicons ;; htb ;; iprelay a ;; isdn ;; kim ;; lbx ;; multicast ip ;; multilink ;; pdnsd ;; rfc568 ;; sneakernet ;; uunet. |
| 09:40.10 | MangosDebian | almost worthy of a factoid |
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| 09:40.32 | andrago | hi |
| 09:40.48 | liable | a recursive factoid |
| 09:41.03 | MangosDebian | ? |
| 09:41.03 | zrin | bonding: I have netgear FS726T switch which should be 802.3ad capable and nvidia chipset with two GB NICs, I've set up bonding successfully in mode 0, but in mode 4 (802.3ad) the bond0 link won't come up - I'm using standard etch kernel and I did configure trunking on the switch - what shall I check next? |
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| 09:41.24 | andrago | how can I change the rsyncd port I changed the option in /etc/default/rsync but it don't seem to work |
| 09:41.58 | zrin | above question is about bonding, not for bonding :) |
| 09:42.22 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 09:43.02 | MangosDebian | andrago: how are you running rsync? via inetd? |
| 09:43.42 | MangosDebian | thanks :) |
| 09:43.59 | andrago | no MangosDebian it runs in daemon mode |
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| 09:44.44 | liable | then the config in /etc should do so, and a restart of course is needed |
| 09:44.49 | MangosDebian | andrago: k, checkin. whats your RSYNC_OPTS= line look like? |
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| 09:46.20 | kova | which package includes the killall command in Etch? |
| 09:46.25 | boodie | I would like to purchase a board to download from my camera (Canon MV700); it can stream onto ieee1394 or RGB, can anybody advice? |
| 09:46.51 | kova | it's not a package on itself, so I hope it's included in some other |
| 09:47.31 | wols | !tell boodie about hcl |
| 09:47.36 | andrago | MangosDebian: the --ports should go after the =, isnt? |
| 09:47.38 | MangosDebian | zrin: anything in the kernel help about speicific bonding versions used? seem to recall something about diff implementations or something, but I might be thinking or some other protocol. |
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| 09:47.45 | wols | !tell kova about search |
| 09:47.45 | cydork | kova: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:47.50 | MangosDebian | andrago: paste your line please |
| 09:48.06 | andrago | RSYNC_OPTS=''--port=8934 |
| 09:48.12 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 09:48.18 | andrago | sorry, --ports is in the other line |
| 09:48.45 | MangosDebian | andrago: what other line? |
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| 09:48.52 | andrago | in the next line |
| 09:49.08 | MangosDebian | so you have two RYSYNC_OPTS lines? |
| 09:49.18 | andrago | no, one line |
| 09:49.25 | andrago | one line RYSYNC_OPTS |
| 09:49.29 | andrago | and the next --ports |
| 09:50.01 | MangosDebian | so you have one line with RSYNC_OPTS and a line below it with --ports? |
| 09:50.07 | andrago | yes |
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| 09:50.54 | MangosDebian | perhaps you should just paste your whole file to pastebin.ca |
| 09:51.15 | andrago | I only changed that line |
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| 09:51.23 | MangosDebian | if you can't get your 's right and double the lines, im wondering what else is wrong :) |
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| 09:51.50 | MangosDebian | and you don't see whats wrong already? |
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| 09:51.58 | tenco | hi |
| 09:52.04 | tenco | is unstable on topic? |
| 09:52.08 | andrago | I'm changing it |
| 09:52.20 | streuner | tenco: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 09:52.31 | MangosDebian | tenco: yes, providing you can answer a skill testing question first |
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| 09:54.12 | edistar | is there a way to get icedove tell me how many mails I have in my inbox? |
| 09:54.16 | tenco | MangosDebian: that is? |
| 09:54.46 | MangosDebian | andrago: sorry, just when someone comes in here, knows what rsync is, how to find its default file AND start an editor, yet gets something as simple as the quotes wrong, I have serious concerns with helping them further. You follow me? |
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| 09:55.07 | liable | tenco: depends |
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| 09:55.47 | liable | talking about sid problems when you have a clue is ok, asking silly sid questions is not |
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| 09:56.15 | MangosDebian | tenco: ok, whats the command to display your current glibc version? Either dpkg or ls will do :) |
| 09:56.41 | MangosDebian | show your output too please :) |
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| 09:57.31 | MangosDebian | that, or you can just ask your question already :þ |
| 09:58.59 | andrago | MangosDebian: sorry is the first time I configure rsync and in the other services I configured normally the port option go in another line |
| 09:59.35 | andrago | anyway in the same line with quotes it doesn't work |
| 09:59.39 | tenco | MangosDebian: apt-cache show libc6 |grep ^Version :) |
| 10:00.00 | MangosDebian | tenco: WHAT....is your favorite color? ;) |
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| 10:01.19 | MangosDebian | andrago: did you remove the extra line? please pastebin your file if you can |
| 10:01.46 | wols | tenco: that won't display your current libc6 version |
| 10:02.21 | MangosDebian | wols: at least he knew enough that glibc2 is libc6 though |
| 10:02.29 | tenco | i'm trying to compile fglrx-kernel-src 8.38.6-2 against linux 2.6.21-2 (both module-assistant & make.sh tried) |
| 10:02.40 | tenco | wols: right. it's the package version |
| 10:02.52 | MangosDebian | wols: plus he demonstrated solid understanding of regex and pipes :) |
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| 10:03.18 | andrago | MangosDebian: I only change three lines, the others are commented |
| 10:03.22 | wols | whatever version it is, it has nothing to do with what you actually have installed. It just says the repo I have in my sources.list has this. no more no less |
| 10:03.32 | wols | tenco: error messages are not optional |
| 10:03.37 | andrago | maybe the problem is that I run it executing rsync --daemon |
| 10:03.38 | andrago | ? |
| 10:03.39 | tenco | yes |
| 10:03.42 | tenco | just a moment... |
| 10:03.44 | MangosDebian | andrago: still waiting on that paste.... |
| 10:04.00 | tenco | FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module fglrx.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops' |
| 10:04.07 | tenco | is there a way to go around this? |
| 10:04.17 | wols | tenco: complain to ati. not us. or use an oledr kernel |
| 10:04.25 | wols | *older |
| 10:04.46 | MangosDebian | !listvalues paravirt |
| 10:04.48 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'paravirt' by value returned no results. |
| 10:04.53 | andrago | http://pastebin.com/m47ac9d0e |
| 10:04.57 | andrago | ther you have |
| 10:05.01 | MangosDebian | hmmm, thought someone added that factoid |
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| 10:05.15 | Coke | dondelelcaro: I've been looking now, I have no idea how to change that X command for gdm. Maybe I should just switch back to xdm, it has a Xsession file with the command in plain text in it. |
| 10:05.47 | tenco | ok. i'm trying to find out how the sidux folks did it |
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| 10:05.59 | wols | tenco: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2007/05/msg00804.html |
| 10:06.11 | wols | tenco: unless you plan to use Xen or such |
| 10:06.17 | StR | blah, the tasksel is freaking crappy is it buggy, is been sitting there with 0 on the package installed for about an hour |
| 10:06.30 | MangosDebian | andrago: well, not sure if the spaces would cause it to not recognize the ports, but remove them and kill all instances on rsyncd if they exists and try restart yet? |
| 10:06.34 | StR | by the way how do you mount an external hard drive? |
| 10:06.44 | andrago | yes, I tried with and without spaces |
| 10:06.45 | wols | StR: like any other |
| 10:06.55 | StR | wols: i do not know the device |
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| 10:07.14 | wols | StR: plug it in and run dmesg |
| 10:07.26 | dondelelcaro | Coke: heh. I switched to xdm for similar reasons |
| 10:07.33 | wols | and yes btw: tasksel is rubbish. use aptitude |
| 10:07.39 | dondelelcaro | (which is why I don't know how gdm does it anymore) |
| 10:07.40 | StR | done |
| 10:08.03 | dondelelcaro | well, tasksel does what it does fairly well... but it's definetly not useful if you actually know what you want. |
| 10:08.13 | tenco | wols: no, i dont |
| 10:08.45 | StR | dondelelcaro: right all i wanted it it was the X, and gnome and stuff like that but im installing it by hand |
| 10:08.46 | liable | tasksel is a generic purpose thing, and thats about it |
| 10:08.48 | StR | is better, |
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| 10:09.18 | wols | liable: I even liked deselect more than tasksel |
| 10:09.27 | wols | -e |
| 10:09.32 | StR | never try it |
| 10:09.33 | liable | tasksel could definately devide some tasks better than it does |
| 10:09.38 | StR | i'll try dselect one of these days |
| 10:10.17 | liable | wols: you and jetscreamer should have babies together! |
| 10:10.44 | liable | oh dear |
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| 10:10.51 | StR | lenny is nice, |
| 10:10.55 | StR | and friendly (: |
| 10:11.31 | Coke | dondelelcaro: okey, xdm it is. I really find the whole Gnome and Kde thing anoyingly incompatible with already existing X configurations. |
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| 10:11.57 | mavhc | does linux have OLE? |
| 10:12.06 | StR | !OLE |
| 10:12.07 | dpkg | hmm... ole is (see Object Linking and Embedding) see Object Linking and Embedding |
| 10:12.46 | MangosDebian | nice factoid |
| 10:12.55 | StR | yeap i guess |
| 10:13.05 | MangosDebian | !listkeys linking |
| 10:13.07 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'linking' by key (2): hard linking directories ;; object linking and embedding (ole). |
| 10:13.28 | MangosDebian | !object linking and embedding (ole). |
| 10:13.29 | dpkg | well, object linking and embedding (ole) is Object Linking and Embedding => aka OLE. This is a standard for sharing data between applications. It has been around since Windows 3.1 and continues to get better. For example, if you cut a picture out of Paint and paste it into a word processor document, you are using OLE to properly put the data into your document. Of course, if it doesn't work quite right, you can blame OLE, or the programs use of it. OLE ... |
| 10:13.53 | liable | ??? |
| 10:14.10 | mavhc | well, I think of it more as live embedding, of say a spreadsheet in a wordprocessor document |
| 10:14.50 | MangosDebian | !no, ole is <reply> see object linking and embedding (ole). |
| 10:14.50 | dpkg | MangosDebian: okay |
| 10:15.03 | MangosDebian | !ole |
| 10:15.03 | dpkg | object linking and embedding (ole) is, like, Object Linking and Embedding => aka OLE. This is a standard for sharing data between applications. It has been around since Windows 3.1 and continues to get better. For example, if you cut a picture out of Paint and paste it into a word processor document, you are using OLE to properly put the data into your document. Of course, if it doesn't work quite right, you can blame OLE, or the programs use of it. ... |
| 10:15.05 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: hey, got a few minutes to help me around Luks/crypto issues, i am just plugging the laptop drive into a PC... |
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| 10:15.14 | MangosDebian | sorry about the spam. done :) |
| 10:15.14 | xand | !botrape |
| 10:15.14 | dpkg | STOP!!! please... no more... |
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| 10:15.28 | dondelelcaro | mavhc: openoffice probably has it, but it's not done in many places |
| 10:15.39 | dondelelcaro | (it's not called OLE, though) |
| 10:15.40 | shingouz | MangosDebian: fyi, you can always msg the bots... ;) |
| 10:15.48 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: dpkg cant rename keys can it? |
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| 10:16.15 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: there's no need; just link them together |
| 10:16.21 | MangosDebian | shingouz: not too busy in here, and its nice for people to be exposed to changes for approval, and to learn syntax :) |
| 10:16.51 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: well, was gonna remove the one, thats some weird syntax on a key but meh |
| 10:17.05 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: depends if I can help you or not. whats your question? |
| 10:17.23 | dondelelcaro | MangosDebian: generally if someone thought enough to add a key for a factoid, keeping it is good |
| 10:17.36 | StR | how do you put gnome-session on the startx thing so when you do startx to start up automaticly gnome |
| 10:17.51 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: better than a #DEL# hanging around collecting dust i suppose since you dont clean the db |
| 10:17.51 | kova | extension "XInputExtension" missing on display ... |
| 10:17.55 | dondelelcaro | StR: stick exec gnome-session into your ~/.Xsession |
| 10:17.56 | kova | what does that mean? |
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| 10:18.46 | Coke | I start "vncserver", it says it's on for display :4 (as an example), but the log is empty and if I try vncviewer on my host I get "connection refused". How do I simply start a server and connect to it? |
| 10:18.54 | Narada | hi all; is there a package that installs all the vim colourschemes automatically |
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| 10:19.42 | mavhc | apparently kparts and bonobo are similar stuff on linux |
| 10:20.13 | StR | X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting. |
| 10:20.16 | StR | any ideas? |
| 10:20.25 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: you ever notice that dpkg cuts the factoids short? Despite a multiple page factoid sometimes? |
| 10:21.06 | xand | maybe it's your client |
| 10:21.20 | shingouz | is there something wrong with the gmail pop3 system? i have not been able to get anything from there wiht pop3 for the past week or so, downloads so slow that the connection times out. all my other pop3 accounts work but they are not on google |
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| 10:21.29 | xand | or when the factoid was set it was truncated |
| 10:21.40 | xand | shingouz: how should we know? :P |
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| 10:21.50 | shingouz | ...of course the http version works but even that complains about slowness... |
| 10:22.02 | shingouz | xand: no real reason, just a general brainfart :p |
| 10:22.10 | MangosDebian | xand: its not my client. But if you look at dpkg's db, some factoids are left over or something and are 1k+ in size |
| 10:22.33 | MangosDebian | xand: you can tell when dpkg adds an elipse (...) |
| 10:22.56 | zyx | There are 4 processes (ls of a dead nfs share) that i can't kill-9. Is there any possibility to stop those processes besides rebooting? |
| 10:23.00 | MangosDebian | unless thats the literal text that was inserted. this may just be a bad example |
| 10:23.09 | zyx | they spoil my statistics (load=4) |
| 10:23.49 | MangosDebian | xand: select max(length(field)) from dpkgsdb.table; and you find a few kilobytes. and a count of all records >1k has dosens of entries |
| 10:24.08 | MangosDebian | unless don has cleaned the db recently |
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| 10:24.18 | StR | nice |
| 10:24.23 | StR | my X doesn't want to work |
| 10:24.34 | xand | MangosDebian: you have access to the db? |
| 10:24.46 | MangosDebian | xand: yes, as does anyone |
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| 10:25.02 | xand | to run sql queries? |
| 10:25.03 | MangosDebian | although I dont happen to have it on this box handy to query it for an example |
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| 10:25.41 | MangosDebian | all my bloot stuff on a vm i havent imported backup from yet actually |
| 10:26.03 | xand | ? |
| 10:26.04 | xand | explain |
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| 10:26.27 | MangosDebian | db+blootbot in a vmware that isnt running |
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| 10:26.58 | xand | that gives you access to dpkg's factoid db? |
| 10:27.08 | lkthomas | guys |
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| 10:27.20 | lkthomas | what could I use to deal with binary patching ? |
| 10:27.25 | MangosDebian | xand: you do realise they are publically available and have been for years right? |
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| 10:27.50 | xand | the software maybe, but does is it the live db? |
| 10:27.54 | tenco | is it ok to use a kernel from unstable for stable? |
| 10:27.59 | xand | *does it include |
| 10:28.07 | MangosDebian | lkthomas: rdiff, bsdiff or xdelta? |
| 10:28.20 | lkthomas | MangosDebian: hmm, xdelta then :) |
| 10:28.34 | MangosDebian | xand: not the live db no, thats only don. but it has daily snapshots |
| 10:28.41 | liable | s/binary patching/cracking software/ ??? |
| 10:28.58 | MangosDebian | lkthomas: apt-cache search binary diff |
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| 10:29.12 | xand | MangosDebian: ah ok |
| 10:29.34 | MangosDebian | liable: not necessarily no. could be any form of patching |
| 10:29.45 | tenco | forget it. backports has at least 2.6.21, too |
| 10:30.03 | MangosDebian | !listvalues daily snapshot |
| 10:30.04 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'daily snapshot' by value returned no results. |
| 10:30.17 | MangosDebian | well, its in there, forget the factoid |
| 10:30.38 | andrago | what is the correct way to start a service that should be started by the system, and is in /etc/default? |
| 10:30.39 | MangosDebian | oooooold nick :) |
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| 10:31.36 | StR | damn my X isn't working |
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| 10:32.08 | StR | i wonder why the hell the nv driver isn't working |
| 10:32.19 | MangosDebian | ahh, found it |
| 10:32.45 | MangosDebian | !listvalues previous 18 days |
| 10:32.47 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'previous 18 days' by value (1): your factoids. |
| 10:32.55 | MangosDebian | !your factoids. |
| 10:32.55 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
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| 10:34.38 | lkthomas | MangosDebian: does xdelta generate self-executable patcher ? |
| 10:35.46 | MangosDebian | lkthomas: i havent tried it so i dont know, but I highly doubt any of them do |
| 10:35.58 | lkthomas | grr, ok |
| 10:36.04 | MangosDebian | lkthomas: as with "diff", they probably just create the delta for you |
| 10:36.16 | lkthomas | hmm |
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| 10:36.29 | MangosDebian | not that it wouldnt be too hard to package a diff and a script |
| 10:36.42 | MangosDebian | maybe even upx it as well |
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| 10:38.25 | paddor | can i define a default group, that is used when i create a file? (something like umask, only it's for group, and not for permissions) |
| 10:39.53 | MangosDebian | sgid? |
| 10:39.58 | StR | can someone help me to configued my X i've already did the xorg.conf but is not working |
| 10:40.02 | StR | the X is not running |
| 10:40.10 | StR | i do not know why |
| 10:40.34 | xand | and the error message is? |
| 10:40.38 | MangosDebian | paddor: it needs to be set on the directory though |
| 10:40.44 | Smooph | maybe you should post somewhat more information about your problem SmallR2002 |
| 10:40.59 | Smooph | StR: |
| 10:41.05 | Smooph | i mean |
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| 10:41.10 | StR | Smooph: |
| 10:41.17 | StR | is giving me this error Fatal server error: |
| 10:41.17 | StR | could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 10:41.40 | StR | something about the fonts |
| 10:41.42 | jelly-home | !fixed |
| 10:41.42 | dpkg | from memory, fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
| 10:41.43 | liable | what are you doing? |
| 10:41.45 | Smooph | so what are you trying to do and what did you do so far ? |
| 10:41.55 | StR | Smooph: startx |
| 10:41.57 | liable | thats a fucking old error |
| 10:42.08 | StR | -bash: cd: /usr/share/fonts/X11/: No such file or directory |
| 10:42.15 | StR | i think are the fonts |
| 10:42.19 | xand | do what dpkg said? |
| 10:42.35 | StR | and where the hell are the fonts are then? |
| 10:42.59 | liable | StR: what debian version do you have? |
| 10:43.05 | StR | lenny |
| 10:43.10 | liable | and did have? |
| 10:43.36 | StR | sarge liable |
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| 10:44.10 | liable | StR: so do as the factoid says, install 'xorg' |
| 10:44.18 | StR | i did installed xorg, |
| 10:44.49 | StR | apt-get install xserver-xorg ? |
| 10:44.54 | jelly-home | no |
| 10:44.59 | liable | no, just xorg |
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| 10:45.17 | StR | interesting |
| 10:45.27 | liable | not really |
| 10:45.30 | ignotus | hello is it possible to use separate passwords for local login, and login through ssh to my machine? |
| 10:45.45 | StR | im getting and error no such package |
| 10:45.48 | ignotus | my local login would be a weak password, ssh login would be a longer / stronger one |
| 10:45.56 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: you still there? havent heard from you yet |
| 10:45.59 | liable | StR: paste you sources.list |
| 10:46.08 | StR | i only have two lines in it liable |
| 10:46.12 | liable | ignotus: use keys for ssh |
| 10:46.14 | StR | i just installed debian on the machine |
| 10:46.29 | StR | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 10:46.29 | StR | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 10:46.29 | MangosDebian | ignotus: your ssh password shouldnt be a password (unless you setup a OTP), should be a key |
| 10:46.29 | Smooph | ignotus: sorry don't know how but common understanding lets me say "yes of course" |
| 10:46.32 | liable | StR: huh? and you installed sarge first? |
| 10:46.33 | StR | those two source.list |
| 10:46.45 | StR | yeah liable i had the sarge, installation disk |
| 10:47.14 | liable | StR: and you manually edited your sources.list? |
| 10:47.22 | StR | yeap |
| 10:47.28 | ignotus | liable MangosDebian thanks, so I think it is not (at least not easily) doable so I am looking for another solution, like using just keys, thanks |
| 10:47.33 | liable | StR: and you have dist-upgraded? |
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| 10:47.56 | StR | yes |
| 10:47.59 | jelly-home | StR: for future reference, skipping debian releases is not supported |
| 10:48.08 | ignotus | MangosDebian: do you know by any chance a howto about how to set up OTP keys for ssh logins in Debian? That would be perfect for me |
| 10:48.10 | MangosDebian | ignotus: after all, a rsa key auth really is just a really loooooooong password |
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| 10:48.33 | MangosDebian | !otp |
| 10:48.33 | dpkg | methinks otp is One-Time Pad: mathematically unbreakable (provably so), because it uses a random key with same data capacity as the message.. One-Time Passwords |
| 10:48.41 | jelly-home | !skey |
| 10:48.44 | liable | StR: i cant help but call bullshit |
| 10:48.44 | MangosDebian | bah, so much for that |
| 10:48.52 | StR | liable: huh |
| 10:48.53 | Coke | There's something wrong with the Debian testing vncserver script, it doesn't start the actual Xrealvnc process. How do I make the vnc server start properly? |
| 10:48.55 | MangosDebian | jelly-home: thanks but to no avail ;( |
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| 10:49.06 | liable | StR: your libc6 version is? |
| 10:49.13 | StR | how do i check |
| 10:49.32 | jelly-home | ignotus: If you have experience with S/Key, install libpam-opie and work from there |
| 10:49.54 | ignotus | jelly-home: I don't have, but I will try libpam-opie anyways, thanks |
| 10:50.35 | jelly-home | ignotus: also the other opie packages, opie-server and opie-client |
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| 10:50.57 | MangosDebian | ignotus: you understand you will need to carry a list or at least the latest password around with you and its good only once right? |
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| 10:51.09 | Coke | Couldn't open RGB_DB '/usr/lib/X11/rgb' Segmentation fault |
| 10:51.10 | Coke | Nice. |
| 10:51.13 | StR | damn |
| 10:51.14 | ignotus | MangosDebian: yes, that would be perfect! |
| 10:51.47 | MangosDebian | ignotus: i assume requiring a usb stick/key would be too much of a requirement? keys are more secure |
| 10:51.48 | ignotus | jelly-home and MangosDebian: is it possible with this opie stuff to disable password login (my regular login password) and only allow one time passwords to be entered interactively (or dsa keys)? |
| 10:52.10 | ignotus | MangosDebian: I understand that, and I use keys where it is possible, but sometimes I just have to use passwords |
| 10:52.13 | jelly-home | ignotus: hmm, OPIE is used interactively |
| 10:52.17 | MangosDebian | ignotus: with the pam lib you can use them for whatever you want |
| 10:52.57 | ignotus | jelly-home: yes, but I don't want interactive "/etc/passwd passwords" to be usable in any waps |
| 10:52.58 | MangosDebian | local login, ssh, ftp, whatever you setup pam to use em with |
| 10:52.58 | ignotus | ways* |
| 10:53.07 | jelly-home | ignotus: in the common setup, you can choose between using the regular password or OTP |
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| 10:53.42 | ignotus | jelly-home: is it possible to disable regular passwords, while at the same time enable OTP stuff? |
| 10:53.56 | jelly-home | ignotus: I've never set it up that way, but I guess disabling libpam-unix for the remote service would do the trick |
| 10:53.58 | ignotus | I think when otp fails, sshd falls back to regular password, I don't want that |
| 10:54.05 | ignotus | jelly-home: thanks, I will try that then |
| 10:54.58 | jelly-home | ignotus: probably also disable PasswordAuthentication in sshd_config |
| 10:55.46 | paddor | MangosDebian: no, doesn't work by just setting the correct group on parent directory. it nevertheless uses the own main-group on the new created file. |
| 10:56.21 | jelly-home | ignotus: googling for, say, OPIE S/Key Debian should bring up something |
| 10:56.41 | ignotus | jelly-home: yeah, I'm working my way through this atm http://bernard.blackham.com.au/babble/ |
| 10:57.03 | MangosDebian | paddor: sgid on the parent dir should make all files owned by that group. Isnt that what you want? |
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| 10:59.43 | paddor | MangosDebian: sgid = set-gid? |
| 10:59.49 | MangosDebian | yes |
| 11:00.01 | paddor | mancubus: i try.. |
| 11:00.06 | MangosDebian | k |
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| 11:03.07 | biscuit | hey |
| 11:03.14 | biscuit | im downgrading libc6 |
| 11:03.33 | liable | good luck |
| 11:03.42 | biscuit | and it worked (dpkg -i lib...deb libdev...deb localed...deb |
| 11:03.52 | biscuit | thanks lol it worked :P |
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| 11:04.42 | biscuit | the thing is im trying to apt-get remove openssh-server and it says "depends on NEW-libc6 and OLD-INSTALLED-libc6 is going to be installed" |
| 11:04.44 | liable | reboot and tell me it worked |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'init.d/iptables' returned no results. |
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| 11:06.03 | MangosDebian | for god sakes dpkg |
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| 11:06.15 | Aaron_ | hey |
| 11:06.26 | Aaron_ | can someone help me to configured my ac97 sound card please |
| 11:07.05 | xand | Aaron_: provide more details |
| 11:07.11 | Aaron_ | xand, i did alsaconf |
| 11:07.12 | ignotus | MangosDebian jelly-home: it works thank you! Now I can only login via OTP or keys, perfect! thanks to both of you |
| 11:07.18 | Aaron_ | and everything but i still do not have any sound |
| 11:07.37 | ignotus | jelly-home: I just had to comment out libpam-UNIX as you said |
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| 11:07.57 | cahoot | Aaron_, you really should run invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 (as root instead of alsaconf) |
| 11:08.04 | Aaron_ | cahoot, huh? |
| 11:08.31 | MangosDebian | valdyn: that was your's or pheeror's query again |
| 11:09.03 | MangosDebian | ignotus: was all jellly jiggler over there ;) |
| 11:09.16 | cahoot | Aaron_, try aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav in a terminal - noise or error? |
| 11:09.32 | MangosDebian | !find passwd woody |
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| 11:09.59 | Aaron_ | sorry about that my X crashed |
| 11:10.01 | Aaron_ | so any help on the issued? |
| 11:10.03 | MangosDebian | !find MangosDebianDidThisAt7_09 woody |
| 11:10.06 | cahoot | Aaron_, try aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav in a terminal - noise or error? |
| 11:11.00 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: ^^^ dpkg seems to be coming up with querys 12+ hours later |
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| 11:11.02 | Aaron_ | ALSA lib conf.c:3982:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device |
| 11:11.02 | Aaron_ | ALSA lib pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default |
| 11:11.02 | Aaron_ | aplay: main:545: audio open error: No such device |
| 11:11.21 | shingouz | !tell Aaron_ about ac97 |
| 11:11.30 | shingouz | Aaron_: check what dpkg told you |
| 11:12.01 | MangosDebian | valdyn: i wonder if dpkg doesnt like your ipv6 or something |
| 11:12.08 | Aaron_ | cahoot, any ideas? |
| 11:12.17 | cahoot | Aaron_, what does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return? |
| 11:12.39 | Aaron_ | annot stat /dev/snd/*: No such file or directory |
| 11:12.39 | Aaron_ | Cannot stat /dev/snd/*: No such file or directory |
| 11:13.04 | cahoot | Aaron_, so do you know what kind of soundcard this is? |
| 11:13.09 | shingouz | Aaron_: did you already read what dpkg told you? you need to install the actual hardware driver first |
| 11:13.24 | Narada | hi to install a c compiler it is build-essential right? |
| 11:13.27 | Aaron_ | 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
| 11:13.35 | xand | Narada: uhuh |
| 11:13.38 | liable | hrm, stupid ipv6 |
| 11:13.50 | cahoot | Aaron_, does lsmod show snd-via82xx? |
| 11:14.31 | Aaron_ | via82cxxx 8708 0 [permanent] |
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| 11:14.49 | liable | has valdyn even spoken recently? |
| 11:14.52 | cahoot | no snd-via* ? |
| 11:15.00 | Aaron_ | nope |
| 11:15.14 | Aaron_ | snd_via82xx 26264 0 |
| 11:15.17 | Aaron_ | there we go |
| 11:15.20 | cahoot | Aaron_, run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 11:15.24 | xand | liable: 9 hours ago |
| 11:15.24 | cahoot | ok |
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| 11:15.58 | liable | xand: right |
| 11:16.22 | Aaron_ | any ideas cahoot |
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| 11:16.44 | cahoot | Aaron_, try dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 11:17.06 | shingouz | Aaron_: try using sound as root. if it works, add yourself to the audio group and logout/logon, then try as your normal user |
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| 11:17.26 | cahoot | well if the devices don't even exist ... |
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| 11:17.40 | Aaron_ | cahoot, do i put alsa |
| 11:17.44 | Aaron_ | or oss? |
| 11:17.45 | cahoot | yes |
| 11:17.48 | cahoot | alsa |
| 11:17.49 | shingouz | alsa |
| 11:17.54 | Aaron_ | done |
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| 11:18.03 | liable | diddly |
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| 11:18.17 | liable | done |
| 11:18.20 | Aaron_ | still no sound |
| 11:18.22 | cahoot | Aaron_, run invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 (as root ) |
| 11:18.31 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: well, doesnt seem to be specific to a sarge/woody/lenny request. But this is second time with valdyn query (was either him this time or pheeror), but valdyn did have an ipv6 ip. dpkg trying to resolve ip's? |
| 11:18.39 | Aaron_ | Resetting ALSA card 0...failed (none loaded). |
| 11:18.39 | Aaron_ | invoke-rc.d: initscript alsa-utils, action "reset" failed. |
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| 11:19.08 | killerstorm | helo. i've installed xorg and kdebase packages. kde's Kxkb configuration has options to configure xkb, but that doesn't seem to work. do i need to install something additionally for xkb to work? or i need to write something to xorg.conf? |
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| 11:19.35 | cahoot | Aaron_, not much more you can do - you *do* run debian? |
| 11:20.06 | Aaron_ | yeap cahoot |
| 11:21.03 | CalJohn | I have a really out of date testing box. Surely there is a quicker way to update it than having to ftp every package? |
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| 11:21.38 | cahoot | Aaron_, new etch install or what? |
| 11:21.46 | Aaron_ | nope it was sarge installed |
| 11:21.50 | Aaron_ | and now im on lenny |
| 11:22.05 | cahoot | Aaron_, sound was ok on sarge? |
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| 11:22.34 | Aaron_ | well this is my first installed i had FreeBSD on it |
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| 11:23.53 | Aaron_ | is there any ways to fixed it cahoot |
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| 11:24.19 | man_in_ltop | i'm trying to produce a package from an apt source package |
| 11:24.21 | cahoot | Aaron_, looks like a debian/alsa bug to me |
| 11:24.27 | Aaron_ | does it |
| 11:24.35 | Aaron_ | cahoot, is there any other way to bring the Sound? |
| 11:24.39 | man_in_ltop | is this correct?: make -f debian/rules |
| 11:25.05 | MatBoy | has someone been able to set fan speed with lm sensors and a lm85-i2c-0-2e chip ? pwmconfig has some problems with setting the variables |
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| 11:25.23 | cahoot | Aaron_, none that I'd dare recommend in public |
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| 11:25.36 | Aaron_ | fuk |
| 11:25.51 | MatBoy | Aaron_, you forgot the C |
| 11:25.59 | Aaron_ | naw |
| 11:26.04 | liable | man_in_ltop: dpkg-buildpackage |
| 11:26.35 | cahoot | Aaron_, youcould take a look at bugs.debian.org |
| 11:26.51 | liable | aww |
| 11:26.52 | man_in_ltop | liable, thanks :) |
| 11:27.03 | liable | np |
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| 11:28.52 | cahoot | Aaron_, one last idea - /proc/asound/cards lists only one device? |
| 11:29.17 | Aaron_ | bash: /proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory |
| 11:29.37 | cahoot | Aaron_, ok - you hav working alsa at all |
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| 11:29.43 | cahoot | Aaron_, ok - you have no working alsa at all |
| 11:29.55 | MatBoy | it's strange that I can read out my fanspeed with sensors, but I can;t set it to a lower speed |
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| 11:30.02 | Aaron_ | no shit cahoot |
| 11:30.05 | Aaron_ | i just figured it out |
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| 11:30.50 | jelly-home | Aaron_: try blacklisting via82cxxx and rebooting |
| 11:30.52 | cahoot | Aaron_, the idea was you possibly had > 1 sounddevice hence getting some obscure error |
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| 11:31.24 | Aaron_ | jelly-home, how do i blacklsiteD? |
| 11:31.36 | jelly-home | Aaron_: err... sorry, disregard that |
| 11:32.16 | jelly-home | Aaron_: I thought you had both OSS and ALSA audio drivers loaded at the same time, but that's probably not the case |
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| 11:32.59 | FernandoMM | Hello, i have a Debian Etch desktop with a Nvidia FX 5500 card. I installed the nvidia driver using the "debian way" and after restarting X almost everything worked fine. The problem is that programs like xmms and amarok started to have Segmentation Fault problems. If i start X with nv driver, amarok and xmms run ok. |
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| 11:33.34 | FernandoMM | Could someone tell me what may causing this problem and how can i solve ? |
| 11:33.39 | liable | unusual seeing as they are sound apps |
| 11:33.56 | cahoot | Aaron_, does via82* show up in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base-blacklist? |
| 11:34.44 | MangosDebian | liable: but they both have a gl component perhaps? eq |
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| 11:35.02 | liable | FernandoMM: not much we suggest other than checking the bts, the nvidia driver is proprietry, so its kinda a black hole |
| 11:35.10 | FernandoMM | liable: mplayer is also having this problem, but kaffeine runs ok |
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| 11:35.28 | jelly-home | Aaron_: in any case, _don't_ blacklist via82cxxx, that's the driver for the IDE controller :-) ... via82cxxx_sound's the OSS sound driver |
| 11:35.42 | MangosDebian | FernandoMM: does glxgears/glxinfo run or crash? |
| 11:35.48 | Aaron_ | # blacklist snd-atiixp-modem |
| 11:35.48 | Aaron_ | # blacklist snd-intel8x0m |
| 11:35.48 | Aaron_ | # blacklist snd-via82xx-modem |
| 11:35.55 | FernandoMM | liable i have tried to install nvidia using the .bin from nvidia site. It seens to work fine and those problems runs ok. But when i reboot X doesn't start anymore. |
| 11:36.23 | FernandoMM | MangosDebian: they are giving segmentation fault too. |
| 11:36.41 | liable | i dont have one, so i dunno any of the tricks what it needs atm |
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| 11:37.53 | paddor | mancubus: it worked! thanks |
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| 11:41.21 | bolt | I used separate folders for a few of my email accounts in Icedove, and I changed my mind. I want them to use the global inbox. I can't find where to change that. Do I have to recreate the account in Icedove? |
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| 11:42.20 | petemc | bolt: move the mail from the folders to the inbox, delete folders |
| 11:42.37 | petemc | (ive never used icedove) |
| 11:42.43 | MangosDebian | bolt: account settings->server settings->advanced |
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| 11:43.04 | bolt | ah |
| 11:43.06 | bolt | thanks :) |
| 11:43.09 | MangosDebian | np |
| 11:43.27 | MatBoy | this is what I get with pwmconfig: 0-002e/pwm1 |
| 11:43.28 | MatBoy | /usr/sbin/pwmconfig: line 102: 0-002e/pwm1_enable: Permission denied |
| 11:43.55 | MangosDebian | are you root? |
| 11:44.01 | MatBoy | yes |
| 11:44.20 | MangosDebian | find /proc -type f -name pwm\* -ls |
| 11:44.38 | MatBoy | I get nothing back |
| 11:44.50 | MangosDebian | ok, try /sys too |
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| 11:45.01 | MangosDebian | curious if its a file thats readonly |
| 11:45.06 | MatBoy | yes |
| 11:45.13 | MatBoy | I was diggin there by hand before ;) |
| 11:45.15 | MatBoy | I get output |
| 11:45.22 | MangosDebian | in /sys? |
| 11:45.36 | MatBoy | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.44 | MangosDebian | ls -l it |
| 11:46.03 | MatBoy | aha |
| 11:46.06 | MatBoy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:46.28 | MangosDebian | now it is a virtual device though, so the mode may imply its not capable |
| 11:46.45 | MangosDebian | could always try chmod it though :) |
| 11:46.58 | MatBoy | what do you suggest as chmod ? |
| 11:47.04 | MangosDebian | +w |
| 11:47.16 | MangosDebian | for now, or u+w at a min |
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| 11:48.04 | MatBoy | MangosDebian, with +w I get this 0-002e/pwm1 |
| 11:48.04 | MatBoy | /usr/sbin/pwmconfig: line 102: echo: write error: Input/output error |
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| 11:48.57 | MangosDebian | guess you cant then :( |
| 11:49.14 | MatBoy | MangosDebian, I will place a quiet fan than |
| 11:49.16 | MatBoy | :( |
| 11:49.36 | MangosDebian | are you sure your mobo able to alter the speed of that fan? |
| 11:50.29 | MatBoy | MangosDebian, yes, it's a Alots G330 server but still than... it's also speeding down during booting |
| 11:50.36 | MatBoy | *Altos |
| 11:50.58 | MangosDebian | try latest vanilla kernel yet? |
| 11:51.14 | MatBoy | didn't try that yet |
| 11:51.44 | MatBoy | I'm on 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 11:51.46 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: I cannot use the crypto tools for this drive. I am having a hard time, trying to stick the laptop drive into a PC with a converter, but it doesnt get recognised, I don't know why. |
| 11:52.36 | MangosDebian | MatBoy: when .18 was out, people may not have had a chance to test that. be worth a shot. |
| 11:53.00 | MatBoy | MangosDebian, so just compile my own ? |
| 11:53.09 | MangosDebian | MatBoy: sure |
| 11:53.19 | MatBoy | what version do you recommend ? |
| 11:53.29 | MatBoy | is the source still ap-gettable ? |
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| 11:53.54 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: what does the convertor plug into? just a standard ide ribbon? or does it go straight to the mobo header or something fancy? |
| 11:54.28 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: thinking cable select jumper having issues if its some sort of nonsplit ribbon. bit of a stretch, but who knows |
| 11:54.39 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: its a 2.5" IDE to 3.5" IDE converter with a power supply to run the small drive |
| 11:55.13 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: it doesn't want to be recognised as primary and not even as slave |
| 11:55.16 | MangosDebian | MatBoy: the source for .18 is apt getable, but you probably just want to give a quick test for latest vanilla from kernel.org |
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| 11:55.37 | jelly-home | yangvnc: be very careful not to misconnect the 2.5" drive |
| 11:55.41 | MatBoy | MangosDebian, yep, I can always boot the running version again now |
| 11:55.43 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: jumpers perhaps? it powerup ok? |
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| 11:56.28 | MangosDebian | MatBoy: at least if you know its a problem with perhaps the permissions, you can backport that one file and still use debian without problems |
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| 11:56.48 | jelly-home | yangvnc: ie. don't put the cable upside-down; since its 42-pin connector carries the power lines too, if you don't connect it properly you might burn it |
| 11:56.58 | MangosDebian | MatBoy: just use your existing .config and accept defaults for everything else should save time and work |
| 11:56.59 | MatBoy | MangosDebian, how do you mean backport ? what file do you mean ? |
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| 11:57.11 | MatBoy | ow in that case |
| 11:57.32 | MangosDebian | MatBoy: well, that you would have to figure out, but im sure a grep in the kernel src for that /sys filename would land at least once |
| 11:57.50 | yangvnc | And another funny thing is that 3.5 IDE pins connectors don't even have a missing pin in the middle... |
| 11:57.53 | sayers | How do I fix my clock in flux |
| 11:57.55 | MangosDebian | compare the diffs, see whats changed if it works and patch it |
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| 11:58.54 | abrotman | sayers: what's wrong with yoru clock ? |
| 11:59.28 | sayers | abrotman: it says 3:59 and its 8 o clock |
| 11:59.37 | jelly-home | yangvnc: well, you can put it back into the laptop and see if it still works |
| 12:00.09 | jelly-home | sayers: is it in the correct timezone? have you booted into windows and back? |
| 12:00.10 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: upsidedown? |
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| 12:00.46 | sayers | jelly-home: I believe I pressed eastern and no I don't even have windows |
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| 12:01.26 | jelly-home | sayers: then use ntpdate, for example |
| 12:02.14 | sayers | ntpupdate says no servers can be used |
| 12:02.56 | yangvnc | jelly-home: I tried all the combinations 2.5" reverse pins and 3.5" reverse pins....and in the laptop the drive is recognised |
| 12:03.37 | yangvnc | jelly-home: maybe the power supply of the converter is failing... |
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| 12:04.29 | abrotman | sayers: hwclock says ? |
| 12:04.48 | sayers | That it is 4:04 am |
| 12:04.53 | jelly-home | yangvnc: I don't understand why you have a separate power-supply though, my adapter connects to 40pin IDE cable and to the normal power connector |
| 12:05.02 | sayers | abrotman: 4:04 am |
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| 12:05.21 | yangvnc | jelly-home: in the store they told me that the power supply is needed to run the small laptop drive... |
| 12:06.05 | TravellingSalesM | hi guys, i am using etch and have copied ipw2100 to the firmware directory, when i do modprobe ipw2100 and then dmesg it gives me the specifications of wireless, but still iwconfig does not recognise my wifi, any clue? |
| 12:06.07 | jelly-home | yangvnc: maybe if you put in an exteral box |
| 12:06.18 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: does the drive power up? |
| 12:06.22 | yangvnc | jelly-home: It gets pluged on the normal 4 PIN power supply which are on power...but only 2 PINS are used |
| 12:06.24 | abrotman | sayers: so your hardware clock is wrong ? |
| 12:06.32 | sayers | abrotman: seems to be |
| 12:06.36 | sayers | abrotman: its a new motherboard |
| 12:06.49 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: well it makes some funny noises, doesnt sound like a real power up |
| 12:06.50 | jelly-home | yangvnc: that's not a power-supply then, that's the adaptor. That's ok. |
| 12:07.12 | jelly-home | yangvnc: I'd put it back into the laptop to see if it still worked there |
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| 12:07.42 | yangvnc | jelly-home: yes, i get up to the grub menu, but then crypto/luks fails for me |
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| 12:08.43 | jelly-home | sayers: if you're online, use ntpdate to set the time. |
| 12:08.55 | yeonhoo | Question : Im trying to mount pendrive on computer but it mounts automatically on another acount but on mine doenst mount neither manually |
| 12:08.58 | yeonhoo | what can i do? |
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| 12:10.04 | MangosDebian | yeonhoo: does it contain a vfat fs? |
| 12:10.04 | sayers | jelly-home: that says I dont have any available servers |
| 12:10.36 | MangosDebian | yeonhoo: oh, you mean diff accounts on the same machine, one mounts, other doesnt? |
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| 12:11.06 | yeonhoo | MangosDebian, yes it does mount in another acount but not other accounts |
| 12:11.49 | MangosDebian | yeonhoo: what groups are the users in for the one it mounts with and the one it doesnt? and is root one of them? |
| 12:11.53 | yeonhoo | MangosDebian, i dont know what command use ... im noob :).. |
| 12:11.54 | jelly-home | sayers: umm... run something like "ntpdate 0.pool.ntp.org" |
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| 12:12.17 | yeonhoo | MangosDebian, hmm... how can i visualize that? |
| 12:12.18 | MangosDebian | yeonhoo: log in as a user and run groups |
| 12:12.23 | jelly-home | sayers: if you get the same message, your firewall may be stopping ntp data |
| 12:12.35 | sayers | jelly-home: worked tyvm |
| 12:12.36 | Gigantic | !boo |
| 12:12.54 | jelly-home | !penixstrike Gigantic |
| 12:12.55 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Gigantic to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 12:13.05 | MangosDebian | yeonhoo: or as root: groups <username> |
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| 12:13.18 | prahal | hi do someone know an irc channel for dvdauthor ? I want to create titles while keeping the ability to rewind |
| 12:13.22 | Gigantic | *ouch |
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| 12:14.47 | yeonhoo | MangosDebian, sorry for pvt message because i cant put all the message here |
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| 12:15.21 | yeonhoo | MangosDebian, yeonhoo is my account and lai is account that has automatic mount |
| 12:15.30 | jelly-home | !tell yeonhoo about paster |
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| 12:16.36 | Danux | I'm running a remote debian box, and the other day I apt-get upgraded. next time i did a reboot i did a big problem with mysql needing to be configured during the boot up, and that happened before i could ssh in. is there a way to stop something similar happening in future? |
| 12:17.15 | yeonhoo | MangosDebian, i think the account lai has access to all dispositive of computer like sound usb.. |
| 12:17.40 | yeonhoo | MangosDebian, ok... well.. how can i configure it on my account? using what commands? |
| 12:17.43 | MangosDebian | i didnt get a msg from you if your not identified |
| 12:17.55 | yeonhoo | ah sorry MangosDebian |
| 12:18.50 | yeonhoo | MangosDebian, did you received ? |
| 12:18.57 | MangosDebian | no |
| 12:19.12 | yeonhoo | http://paste.debian.net/32903 |
| 12:19.15 | yeonhoo | ah here..-_-.. |
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| 12:19.37 | yeonhoo | i thought this page has function to send to irc user.. -_- |
| 12:19.44 | MangosDebian | probably plugdev |
| 12:19.57 | yeonhoo | ok what can i do to configure my account? |
| 12:20.25 | MangosDebian | man usermod and add yeonhoo to the group plugdev at least |
| 12:20.39 | sayers | !xfce |
| 12:20.39 | dpkg | xfce is probably a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . Sarge : apt-get install xfce4 Woody : apt-get install xfce |
| 12:20.51 | yeonhoo | thank you MangosDebian ...! |
| 12:20.56 | yeonhoo | :) |
| 12:20.56 | sayers | I think I'm going to use XFCE :) |
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| 12:21.35 | MangosDebian | yeonhoo: usermod -a grp1,grp2,grp3 <username> |
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| 12:21.51 | MangosDebian | yeonhoo: will require a relogin though |
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| 12:22.27 | abrotman | Danux: make sure mysql works before you reboot ? |
| 12:22.41 | MangosDebian | err |
| 12:22.55 | abrotman | Danux: you can test the init scripts .. is this on etch/stable ? |
| 12:22.57 | MangosDebian | yeonhoo: I think its: usermod -G grp1,grp2,grp3 -a <username> |
| 12:23.22 | Danux | abrotman it was actually when i upgraded from sarge to etch |
| 12:23.46 | liable | !abrotmoo |
| 12:23.46 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
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| 12:24.08 | MangosDebian | !moo |
| 12:24.08 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 12:24.13 | abrotman | Danux: you can always test restarting services before you reboot .. but i suppose nothing is 100% certain |
| 12:24.32 | Danux | can I change the order software is loaded? |
| 12:24.49 | liable | yes, but you prolly dont want to |
| 12:24.50 | MangosDebian | yeonhoo: work? |
| 12:25.04 | liable | s/want/need/ |
| 12:25.56 | Danux | i've since gotten a sort serial line to the box through the rack or something... so i can see what should appear on the screen thankfully |
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| 12:26.07 | sayers | I <3 xfce on install |
| 12:26.33 | liable | thanks for telling us.. |
| 12:27.07 | sayers | Your very welcome. |
| 12:27.18 | yeonhoo | MangosDebian, thankyou very much !! one more thing.... plugdev powerdev.. sound video ...etc.. this things are considered as group? |
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| 12:27.35 | xand | groups are in /etc/group |
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| 12:30.45 | yeonhoo | MangosDebian, wow its working now |
| 12:30.51 | yeonhoo | thank you again =) |
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| 12:31.24 | paddor | where can i define scripts, which should be run, when an user is created by adduser? |
| 12:31.40 | MangosDebian | yeonhoo: yes, they are groups |
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| 12:33.26 | MangosDebian | paddor: /etc/adduser.conf, but no scripts to my knowledge |
| 12:33.50 | ratschnowski | hello, got a question concerning python on debian sarge |
| 12:34.01 | Sayers | Is their any alternatives to Gedit? I want a visual editor with out all the gnome packages. |
| 12:34.11 | ratschnowski | i installed denyhosts on my server: http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/index.html and did everything as described in README.txt for installation |
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| 12:34.31 | ratschnowski | when trying to start denyhosts, i just get /usr/bin/env: python: No such file or directory |
| 12:34.35 | _atomic | interest |
| 12:34.46 | ratschnowski | do i need to install further python packages, if yes which ones? |
| 12:34.49 | mythomaniac | can anyone tell me why sodipodi was dropped from debian? |
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| 12:35.31 | xand | !why is sodipodi not in testing |
| 12:35.31 | dpkg | sodipodi is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=sodipodi |
| 12:36.20 | mythomaniac | it does not say anything :( |
| 12:36.26 | valdyn | Sayers: there's hundreds of editors |
| 12:36.28 | ratschnowski | no one a clue concerning my python question? or is there may be any python irc channel? |
| 12:36.31 | omg0 | Is there any programs that will play cnbc (windows media player) online stuff |
| 12:36.52 | valdyn | omg0: do you have the w32codecs ? |
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| 12:37.18 | xand | ratschnowski: yes, did you try #python maybe? |
| 12:37.27 | omg0 | Not sure. I am still in newbie phase |
| 12:37.33 | xand | ratschnowski: but why didn't you install it using apt-get? |
| 12:37.37 | valdyn | omg0: according to what i read you cant due to DRM, but the codecs should be at |
| 12:37.43 | valdyn | !debian-multimedia |
| 12:37.43 | dpkg | i guess debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 12:37.46 | valdyn | omg0: ^^^ |
| 12:37.47 | xand | ratschnowski: denyhosts that is |
| 12:37.56 | ratschnowski | xand: it is not found by apt-get |
| 12:38.10 | Sayers | valdyn, yes but I'd like one that is not so package dependent with tons of features for either editing system files or writing a letter and is light weight :p |
| 12:38.25 | xand | ratschnowski: oh ok, why aren't you running sarge then ;) |
| 12:38.28 | valdyn | Sayers: still hundreds |
| 12:38.30 | omg0 | valdyn: where would I find? Use lacate? |
| 12:38.31 | xand | s/aren't/are/ |
| 12:38.38 | buscon | Hi, how can I create a list of all the links of an internet site ? |
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| 12:38.47 | Sayers | valdyn, and how would I find one? apt-cache? |
| 12:38.49 | valdyn | Sayers: what's your desktop environment? |
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| 12:39.10 | Rothgar` | http://duggmirror.com/apple/The_iPhone_is_a_piece_of_shit_and_so_is_your_face/?u=iphone |
| 12:39.15 | omg0 | valdyn, Locate comes up with nothing |
| 12:39.33 | valdyn | omg0: read what dpkg said |
| 12:39.42 | Renfield | Hello. I need a bit of assistance. |
| 12:39.50 | xand | !ask |
| 12:39.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 12:39.55 | Sayers | valdyn, XFCE |
| 12:40.03 | mythomaniac | anyone know why Marillat changed Adobe Flash to Mozilla-flash-plugin? |
| 12:40.06 | valdyn | Sayers: so a gtk editor is preferable |
| 12:40.24 | Sayers | More-than-likely yes. |
| 12:40.27 | Renfield | I want to install audacious, but when I do apt-get tells me it is going to uninstall a number of programs, including gimp, gxine, gdm and others that I do not want uninstalled. How can I correct this? |
| 12:41.23 | omg0 | valdyn, I read it. Just not sure how to achieve it |
| 12:41.40 | valdyn | omg0: to achieve what? |
| 12:41.41 | liable | Renfield: paste your apt output to a pastebot |
| 12:41.43 | Sayers | Renfield, hm, maybe it's going to update them or uninstall the un-needed packages from them |
| 12:42.10 | omg0 | valdyn, add the codecs |
| 12:42.11 | valdyn | Sayers: emacs22-gtk gobby katoob leafpad mped |
| 12:42.26 | valdyn | Sayers: that's not a complete list, just 5 i found by coincidence |
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| 12:43.14 | valdyn | Sayers: apt-cache search gtk editor | grep -v libgtk |
| 12:43.20 | omg0 | !debian-multimedia.etc |
| 12:43.30 | valdyn | omg0: etch, not etc |
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| 12:43.40 | Sayers | valdyn, wow, what does the grep part do, Didn't know apt could get complicated? |
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| 12:43.58 | omg0 | dpkg debian-multimedia.etch |
| 12:43.58 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root) |
| 12:44.14 | valdyn | Sayers: removes the lines containing libgtk |
| 12:44.23 | Renfield | liable: http://paste.debian.net/32906 |
| 12:44.38 | valdyn | Sayers: there's an editor widget library that i dont need in the results |
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| 12:45.09 | omg0 | dpkg apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 12:45.10 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
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| 12:45.47 | robbbbbo | Hi, i've forgotten the password i assigned to a user account - is there a quick way to reset it???? |
| 12:46.00 | xand | robbbbbo: passwd <user> as root |
| 12:46.08 | Givade | be su, then "passwd $user" |
| 12:46.11 | Givade | oh |
| 12:46.13 | Givade | too late |
| 12:46.17 | jamesbrink_ | lol |
| 12:46.59 | liable | Renfield: you have a mixed system? |
| 12:47.14 | Renfield | liable What is that? |
| 12:47.29 | Muisje | Where do i alias hosts to ips? |
| 12:47.57 | robbbbbo | xand: i think it's asking me for the current password rather than wiping it |
| 12:48.01 | cahoot | Muisje, /etc/hosts |
| 12:48.06 | Sayers | valdyn, Thanks, Katoob is exactly what I want / need |
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| 12:48.21 | liable | Renfield: you are mixing stable/unstable? |
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| 12:48.56 | robbbbbo | xand: sorry me being a muppet - thanks for your help |
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| 12:49.14 | Renfield | liable I am not trying to. I thought I upgraded to a testing release. |
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| 12:49.45 | Renfield | If I am correct, the ordering is stable, testing, unstable, right? |
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| 12:49.53 | liable | yes |
| 12:50.13 | liable | Renfield: have you actually dist-upgraded to testing? |
| 12:50.14 | Renfield | Ok, I wish to be on testing. |
| 12:50.26 | Renfield | I don't remember what I did. |
| 12:50.40 | Renfield | Let me review the upgrade procedure again. Maybe that will fix my problem. |
| 12:50.50 | liable | then you shouldnt run testing.. |
| 12:51.14 | Renfield | I think part of the problem is that I was on testing and then it was made stable. |
| 12:51.34 | liable | from your output, looks like it wants to remove your old etch apps, prolly because you are half way in between releases |
| 12:52.07 | liable | so get your box sorted out |
| 12:52.22 | Renfield | Oh. Yea, etch used to be testing, but now it is stable. I wish I could just tell it that I want to stay on testing. |
| 12:53.09 | liable | so put testing in your sources list |
| 12:53.22 | liable | s/etch/testing/ |
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| 12:54.17 | Renfield | Oh, I thought you had to use the release names. |
| 12:54.57 | liable | no |
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| 12:57.01 | Renfield | liable Ok, I'm going to follow the instructions on this page: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-woody.en.html |
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| 13:01.20 | Renfield | Ok, well that didn't work. apt-setup is not found. |
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| 13:01.35 | user1_ | is there way to switch group id of ssh and exim4 |
| 13:02.43 | user1_ | i nfs something, and then group id is different |
| 13:02.45 | user1_ | headache |
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| 13:03.10 | Sayers | Does anyone know how to get Flash to work on AMD64 |
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| 13:04.28 | yeonhoo | My pendrive is mounted. In witch folder it is? -_- |
| 13:04.46 | yeonhoo | I already entered mnt folder |
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| 13:04.52 | yeonhoo | but it was empty |
| 13:05.10 | yeonhoo | and the others folders are so deep |
| 13:05.21 | yeonhoo | ah |
| 13:05.23 | yeonhoo | i found it |
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| 13:06.00 | HuK0B | what can be the problem with apt |
| 13:06.08 | HuK0B | http://pastebin.ca/623218 |
| 13:06.10 | HuK0B | here |
| 13:06.38 | HuK0B | how I can fix it? |
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| 13:09.07 | assasukasse | hi all, i have a problem with crontab..i made a script that opens a ssh tunnel, i set up in crontab to be started every 5 minutes..now, crontab starts even if the user is not loggen in right? so why it doesn't execute the script? |
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| 13:13.44 | Squart | hello all |
| 13:13.49 | Squart | question |
| 13:14.01 | Squart | this is my second they that i arrive at the office |
| 13:14.14 | Squart | and noticed that my debian box is hanged |
| 13:14.19 | moshii | assasukasse: maybe it does work but ssh exits when cron finishes? |
| 13:14.25 | Squart | what can i do about or how can check what the prob my be? |
| 13:14.27 | petemc | Squart: can you ssh to it? |
| 13:14.35 | Squart | nope |
| 13:14.43 | petemc | you can normally? |
| 13:14.44 | Squart | no one can acces it true the network |
| 13:14.50 | Squart | yes normally i can |
| 13:15.17 | petemc | Squart: check /var/log/messages |
| 13:15.31 | Squart | and the log in screen you cannot even type your username and pass |
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| 13:15.49 | subx | how can i make a list of all files + directories dump into a .txt file? i was trying to use 'cat' but i dont think that is the correct tool for the job. |
| 13:16.17 | petemc | subx: ls -R / > file.txt ? |
| 13:16.24 | moshii | Squart: sounds like it's crashed, you probably need to check your hardware |
| 13:16.32 | subx | thanks ill try |
| 13:17.11 | Squart | hmm ok well i'm gonna buy a new server then |
| 13:17.19 | Squart | atleast i got an excuse for e new server |
| 13:17.21 | Squart | haha |
| 13:17.45 | moshii | Squart: it might not be "broken" hardware, it might be that the setup is incorrect |
| 13:17.59 | Squart | hmm |
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| 13:18.31 | subx | petemc: that works ok, is there a way just to dump files only and omit directories? |
| 13:18.35 | loufoque | hello, how can I update the system date? |
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| 13:18.37 | Squart | i am running this file server on a dell diminsion 4600 with 2gigs ram 400GB HDD and 3ghz p4 |
| 13:18.43 | loufoque | using internet |
| 13:18.52 | Squart | i should still upgrade right? |
| 13:19.05 | tralala | loufoque, ntpdate |
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| 13:19.12 | moshii | Squart: you could run a fileserver on a lot less.. |
| 13:19.26 | Squart | hmm ok |
| 13:19.28 | loufoque | tralala: and what server can I use? |
| 13:19.29 | metbsd | hi all |
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| 13:19.57 | Squart | ok thanks moshii i'm new to this linux world |
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| 13:20.05 | moshii | Squart: rather than CPU speed you should be thinking of I/O and Disk Redundency |
| 13:20.09 | Squart | so it;s kinda hard sometimes to configure something |
| 13:20.10 | Squart | hehe |
| 13:20.14 | metbsd | is there a way to sychronize two /etc/passwd on two servers, without fcking up the system? |
| 13:20.15 | petemc | subx: find / -type -f |
| 13:20.15 | tralala | loufoque, the package comes with the servers configured |
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| 13:20.38 | subx | thanks petemc |
| 13:20.39 | loufoque | tralala: "ntpdate" alone doesn't work |
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| 13:20.45 | Squart | Moshii: i don;t have any redundancy |
| 13:20.53 | Squart | that why i wanted to buy a new server |
| 13:20.57 | tralala | loufoque, how did you set it up? |
| 13:21.12 | moshii | Squart: request a fat netapp or something :P |
| 13:21.20 | MangosDebian | metbsd: most people would consider NIS in one of its forms |
| 13:21.32 | Squart | hahaha |
| 13:21.32 | tralala | to be launched on network start or manually? try /etc/init.d/ntpdate start |
| 13:21.41 | Squart | moshii: what you have in mind? |
| 13:21.42 | Squart | haha |
| 13:21.54 | blerk | hey i remember there's a guide on howto "upgrade" other distros to debian via installing a base install on the swap or something, i googled on it but i cant find a proper guide, anyone any ideas where to find something usefull, im upgrading old fbsd 4.11 machines |
| 13:22.04 | metbsd | MangosDebian, but i didn't set it up from the beginning.. any better solution? |
| 13:22.59 | Squart | moshii: i was thing of this babby |
| 13:23.05 | MangosDebian | metbsd: not really |
| 13:23.05 | moshii | Squart: if you've got a lot to spend you can get some very nice stuff.. but for a simple file server a box from dell will do, the poweredge stuff works pretty well with debian |
| 13:23.15 | Squart | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2908009&Sku=V133-6123 |
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| 13:24.04 | Squart | moshii: true, but i don;t have any redundancy whatsoever not any good back up |
| 13:24.05 | The_SNiFF | im running an apt-get install from ssh and my connection is shady |
| 13:24.14 | The_SNiFF | is there a way to make sure i won't loose that screen? |
| 13:24.17 | chops | The_SNiFF: screen |
| 13:24.22 | Squart | nor* |
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| 13:24.34 | The_SNiFF | chops: screen -dmS apt-get install blah ? |
| 13:24.39 | xand | how do I get apache1.3 to treat .html as a php file? |
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| 13:24.45 | The_SNiFF | it won't "stick" it runs but disappears |
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| 13:24.52 | chops | The_SNiFF: Just run "screen" |
| 13:25.00 | The_SNiFF | and do it inside |
| 13:25.01 | The_SNiFF | ? |
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| 13:25.04 | chops | The_SNiFF: Then run apt-get from the resulting shell |
| 13:25.08 | chops | The_SNiFF: Yes |
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| 13:25.12 | moshii | Squart: disks are very cheap now... there's no reason not to RAID |
| 13:25.24 | The_SNiFF | chops then if i disconnect? |
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| 13:25.37 | chops | The_SNiFF: ssh sniff@host; screen -r |
| 13:25.53 | Squart | mosshii: but my system does not support raid and also my dell case i s very compact it doens't have room for much |
| 13:25.57 | chops | The_SNiFF: Hoping that whatever intermediate state apt-get has reached still leaves you with a working ssh and screen :-) |
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| 13:26.14 | chops | moshii: RAID is no substitute for good backups |
| 13:26.14 | Squart | moshii: it does not even have SATA |
| 13:26.24 | The_SNiFF | chops lol thanks |
| 13:26.31 | Sayers | !amd64 |
| 13:26.31 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about nspluginwrapper |
| 13:26.54 | moshii | chops: yup, but restoring lots of data from tapes takes time, and you have to take stuff offline |
| 13:27.07 | moshii | chops: so having RAID around is handy ;) |
| 13:27.18 | Squart | yeah raid is very handy |
| 13:27.52 | keith4 | but not that fake sata-raid crap that has been showing up recently |
| 13:28.03 | Squart | nah i am talking about the real deal |
| 13:28.05 | Squart | hehe |
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| 13:30.01 | kova | anybody knows how to create a dummy mixer device in Etch? |
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| 13:30.59 | moshii | keith4: RAID1 is good for I/O speed.. I use it on a machine running a bunch of windows vm's on top of debian, the difference is noticable |
| 13:31.14 | shai | hi |
| 13:31.22 | SlayerXP | moshii: that's a very broad statement and depends very much on how smart your riad card is |
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| 13:31.39 | moshii | SlayerXP: or software.. |
| 13:31.47 | Absolute0 | can i install adobe flash professional with wine on debian? |
| 13:32.01 | SlayerXP | moshii: no, software raid wouldn't get any production envrionment where I have a say in the matter |
| 13:32.06 | Sayers | Where is the Fire Fox Plugin folder? |
| 13:32.29 | SlayerXP | Absolute0: you typed "/join #debian" instead of "/join #adobesupport" |
| 13:32.36 | hark | Absolute0: check appdb.winehq.org or try #winehq |
| 13:32.38 | shai | i'm using kernel 2.6.18.3 and when I connect a usb keyboard/mouse i alway get in my console window info that a new usb device was connected. its just annoying seeing this from time to time since I use a USB KVM and switch from one PC to another. what can I do to disable that notification>? |
| 13:32.42 | cahoot | kova, alsas dummy device? snd-dummy or such |
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| 13:33.26 | moshii | SlayerXP: If everyone really stuck to their beliefs on "enterprise ready" and "production environment" no one would be using linux based OSes |
| 13:34.00 | hark | Sayers: this might be it -> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins |
| 13:34.06 | chops | moshii: I think you misspelled "everyone" :-) |
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| 13:34.13 | SlayerXP | moshii: by definition, software raid stops working when the OS does, and is therefore of limited use. |
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| 13:35.09 | kova | cahoot, thing is I have Skype that needs to run on a server with no soundcard |
| 13:35.14 | chops | SlayerXP: I've installed software RAID in a production environment -- I/O speed was not of great importance, but flexibility and reliability were. Lo and behold, the hardware died and we had to move the array to a hastily-purchased new server. If we'd had to buy a duplicate raid card of exactly the same model, it would have been a lot more painful. |
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| 13:35.32 | moshii | SlayerXP: Do you mean running-wise or layers-wise? |
| 13:35.34 | shai | anyone? |
| 13:35.40 | kova | intention is to tru chan_skype in asterisk |
| 13:35.49 | hark | Sayers: or /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins |
| 13:35.50 | kova | and my asterisk is running on Etch |
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| 13:36.29 | kova | I have a script that uses mknod to create a mixer device |
| 13:36.40 | kova | but it isn't recognized in Skype |
| 13:37.12 | kova | so I figured something else needs to be done to create a dummy mixer in Etch |
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| 13:37.40 | keith4 | shai: you want to disable hotplug messages? |
| 13:38.06 | cahoot | kova, see if modprobe -l | grep dummy turns up an alsa related module - prefix snd- |
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| 13:39.14 | shai | keith4, i think so... what do you mean? |
| 13:39.36 | metbsd | it's annoying that linux file permission go with gid, not the name |
| 13:39.47 | kova | cahoot, I have snd_mixer_oss, which uses snd, which uses soundcore |
| 13:39.48 | metbsd | now my systems are so screwy |
| 13:39.48 | Absolute0 | is it possible to boot from an iso image with grub? |
| 13:39.50 | keith4 | metbsd: what? |
| 13:39.57 | keith4 | Absolute0: no |
| 13:40.03 | keith4 | go read the topic in #grub |
| 13:40.05 | Absolute0 | :( |
| 13:40.14 | keith4 | shai: those messages come from hotplug, iirc |
| 13:40.20 | kova | but no devices showing in my Skype config |
| 13:40.21 | metbsd | when i use two systems to nfs one source, i have different user/group name |
| 13:40.34 | metbsd | because the /etc/passwd are different |
| 13:40.48 | azeem | metbsd: because you don't use LDAP or YP or something similar |
| 13:40.50 | Absolute0 | keith4: they should add that functionality.. |
| 13:41.12 | keith4 | are you volunteering? |
| 13:41.25 | shai | keith4, then my answer is 'yes', please, how? |
| 13:41.29 | metbsd | azeem, i would do it , but the previous admin didn't, and he quit |
| 13:41.44 | metbsd | azeem, so what should i do now, can you help me |
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| 13:41.46 | azeem | metbsd: I don't see how this is our problem |
| 13:41.48 | keith4 | metbsd: nfs without a central directory is messy |
| 13:41.51 | azeem | metbsd: fix your passwd |
| 13:42.00 | azeem | or fix your setup |
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| 13:42.18 | metbsd | azeem, if i fix passwd, certain files permission becomes numbers |
| 13:42.23 | cahoot | kova, alsas snd-dummy provides someting they call dummy soundcard - I'm just guessing that is what you want |
| 13:42.36 | MangosDebian | metbsd: chown -R username.groupname /home/username |
| 13:42.51 | shai | keith4, then my answer is 'yes', please, how? |
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| 13:43.11 | metbsd | it's Debian-exim and ssh that are conflicting |
| 13:43.27 | kova | cahoot, can't find alsas on my system, nor in apt-cache |
| 13:43.37 | keith4 | shai: i dunno |
| 13:43.38 | cahoot | alsa's |
| 13:43.41 | MangosDebian | metbsd: if you expect to be an admin, then you better learn to script. Your problem would take most people in this room less than an hour to solve |
| 13:43.42 | azeem | metbsd: I said "fix" not "screw around" |
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| 13:44.26 | MangosDebian | metbsd: how is ssh and exim conflicting? |
| 13:44.26 | keith4 | can't you just chown user:group `find -uid xxx` or similar? |
| 13:44.33 | MangosDebian | s/is/are/ |
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| 13:44.52 | metbsd | what do you you mean how |
| 13:45.02 | metbsd | they are both 103 on two systems |
| 13:45.09 | MangosDebian | thats what were asking you |
| 13:45.38 | MangosDebian | ok, so the name isnt showing up in a ls? |
| 13:45.44 | metbsd | they are both 103 on two systems, means their gid is not syncronized |
| 13:45.59 | metbsd | okok |
| 13:46.13 | metbsd | system1: exim: 100 |
| 13:46.17 | MangosDebian | no, that means they are both fine but you messed up either your /etc/group file or your nsswitch |
| 13:46.22 | metbsd | system2: exim: 103 ssh:100 |
| 13:46.56 | majorjrk | Ive done a fresh install of debian on my laptop, and ofcourse my X server doesnt load, any way to do it automaticly, or do i need to play a guessing game with xorg.conf ? |
| 13:47.05 | metbsd | so i mount some system1 folder with exim(100), it becomes ssh(100) on system2 |
| 13:47.24 | shingouz | majorjrk: /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 13:47.29 | metbsd | and simply chown won't do the trick |
| 13:47.32 | abrotman | majorjrk: did you install X ? |
| 13:47.40 | majorjrk | abrotman: not sure |
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| 13:48.11 | MangosDebian | metbsd: are they both running the same version of debian? |
| 13:48.11 | abrotman | majorjrk: do you know if you want kde/gnome/something else ? |
| 13:48.31 | metbsd | MangosDebian, yes 4 etch |
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| 13:48.47 | majorjrk | kde i think i prefer |
| 13:48.49 | MangosDebian | metbsd: man find, and learn it well first of all |
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| 13:49.00 | abrotman | majorjrk: aptitude install kde kdm xorg |
| 13:49.10 | abrotman | majorjrk: what's your video card ? |
| 13:49.14 | majorjrk | nvidia 8800 |
| 13:49.41 | metbsd | you mean like chown ssh `find / -gid 103` |
| 13:49.45 | MangosDebian | metbsd: pick which system you want to be the main source of id's, on the second system find all files owned by the two conflicting id's |
| 13:49.54 | abrotman | you'll want to /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner to get 3d .. otherwise use the nv or vesa driver |
| 13:50.04 | kova | how do I load snd-dummy then? |
| 13:50.09 | pocukrani | help please: i ahve installed gcc-3.3 butt i can`t compile: ocukrani@server:~/psybnc$ make |
| 13:50.09 | pocukrani | Initializing bouncer compilation |
| 13:50.09 | pocukrani | [*] Running Conversion Tool for older psyBNC Data. |
| 13:50.09 | pocukrani | make: gcc: Command not found |
| 13:50.09 | pocukrani | make: *** [all] Error 127 |
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| 13:50.10 | metbsd | i forgot most of shell scripting |
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| 13:50.23 | pocukrani | sorry for paste |
| 13:50.26 | metbsd | it was korn shell at that time |
| 13:50.30 | abrotman | !b-e pocukrani |
| 13:50.30 | dpkg | pocukrani: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 13:50.47 | majorjrk | sorry was in the middle of a phonecall, i think i choose x during install |
| 13:50.56 | keith4 | metbsd: you probably shouldn't be doing this if you "forgot most of shell scripting" |
| 13:51.08 | pocukrani | abrotman, then will work? |
| 13:51.12 | metbsd | but i have to, i'm the linux administrator here |
| 13:51.12 | MangosDebian | metbsd: yes, then add a -exec chown foo.foo {} \; to it (after first adding a user/group foo) |
| 13:51.30 | metbsd | i'm responsible for all debian boxes |
| 13:51.35 | metbsd | but i know jackshit |
| 13:51.39 | MangosDebian | metbsd: then find all the second id, move it to the first/proper one, then find all your foo's and move them to the second proper |
| 13:51.39 | keith4 | sounds like you have some reading to do |
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| 13:51.52 | maaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | hey |
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| 13:51.59 | metbsd | MangosDebian, but i correct the /etc/passwd first, right? |
| 13:52.02 | MangosDebian | metbsd: didnt you ever learn how to swap 2 variables in programming class? this isnt rocket science |
| 13:52.08 | maaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | where is the init stuff usually at? i need to load apache at startup |
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| 13:52.35 | keith4 | maaaaaaaaaaaaaaa: if it's not broken, apache will start at startup |
| 13:52.39 | metbsd | MangosDebian, yes, i just suck at scriping |
| 13:52.42 | maaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | its not and it doesnt |
| 13:52.52 | MangosDebian | metbsd: find syntax is far from scripting |
| 13:53.05 | keith4 | maaaaaaaaaaaaaaa: how did you install it? |
| 13:53.11 | maaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | hmm |
| 13:53.21 | maaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | can't remember wait (its all working btw) |
| 13:53.35 | maaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | it was an apt-get |
| 13:54.02 | chops | maaaaaaaaaaaaaaa: Is there an error in the config file? It won't start at startup if it can't start. |
| 13:54.26 | maaa | what error log should i check? |
| 13:54.35 | chops | maaa: /var/log/apache/error.log |
| 13:54.42 | maaa | chops: it can start. its running after i ran it manuallt |
| 13:54.46 | MangosDebian | metbsd: as for before or after, it doesnt really matter so long as you take that into consideration when you do the chmod/chown |
| 13:54.48 | chops | maaa: Or just try /etc/init.d/apache start and see if it works |
| 13:55.10 | maaa | no, no error apache related |
| 13:55.21 | maaa | chops it works when i run it manually |
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| 13:55.46 | chops | maaa: Is anything about it mentioned during your boot process? Is there a link /etc/rc2.d/Sxxapache, where "xx" is some number? |
| 13:56.01 | WikiZ | What package shall i aptget to be able to do ./configure make and make install things? |
| 13:56.02 | keith4 | S91apache |
| 13:56.08 | MangosDebian | metbsd: to make it simpler, just add 2 new users, sshproper and eximproper. you will need to do 8 searches |
| 13:56.10 | keith4 | !b-e |
| 13:56.10 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential |
| 13:56.49 | maaa | chops yeah there's a link to the correct place |
| 13:56.58 | MangosDebian | metbsd: once for the oldssh to chown to sshproper and exim as well, once for uid and once for gid, then change the passwd file to proper id's and repeat from proper to the normal |
| 13:57.04 | pocukrani | abrotman, i have install this packets butt error it`s still here |
| 13:57.28 | abrotman | pocukrani: so paste the new error somewhere |
| 13:57.32 | abrotman | !paste |
| 13:57.32 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 13:57.34 | MangosDebian | metbsd: if you cant understand that, then I suggest you just reinstall and start fresh with matching passwd id's |
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| 13:58.02 | majorjrk | ive read that nvidia 3d oneliner three times now to make sure i didnt typo (probably am), but im getting couldnt find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-686, should i check for typos a few times more ? |
| 13:58.06 | WikiZ | What package shall i aptget to be able to do ./configure make and make install things? |
| 13:58.28 | keith4 | !b-e WikiZ |
| 13:58.28 | dpkg | WikiZ: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 13:58.40 | WikiZ | thanks |
| 13:58.45 | MangosDebian | metbsd: if you do a full system search for all gid's involved, you will probably find there arent that many to begin with if you feel more comfortable doing it by hand |
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| 13:58.53 | maaa | chops what calls that link |
| 13:58.54 | maaa | ? |
| 13:59.01 | chops | maaa: Is anything mentioned about apache during boot? |
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| 13:59.08 | chops | maaa: Do you have apache or apache2 installed? |
| 13:59.10 | chops | maaa: init |
| 13:59.13 | maaa | apache |
| 13:59.18 | pocukrani | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/32910 |
| 13:59.23 | SoulChild | Need help with compiz in testing: when startingi have no window decorations and no effects... my output is: /usr/bin/compiz.real: Plugin 'gconf' already active |
| 13:59.25 | maaa | chops: i can't see the boot this is a remote server |
| 13:59.37 | keith4 | check dmesg |
| 13:59.52 | SoulChild | keith4: ME ? |
| 13:59.58 | keith4 | no |
| 14:00.18 | maaa | me? thanks :p |
| 14:00.25 | maaa | chops no nothing regarding apache |
| 14:00.29 | chops | maaa: You could reboot and check the atime on /etc/rc2.d/S91apache, /etc/init.d/apache, and /usr/sbin/apache to see if they've been read |
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| 14:00.52 | cr3 | how can I determine if a wireless driver supports master mode? |
| 14:00.53 | metbsd | MangosDebian, so i 1. correct /etc/passwd. 2. find those wrong gid files and correct them |
| 14:01.19 | chops | maaa: If the S91apache link exists, then apache should be started on boot. One more thing that might be worth checking is /etc/default/apache; sometime daemons can be configured not to start on boot there or in /etc/init.d/apache |
| 14:01.20 | maaa | chops: is it not possible that it jsut doesn't start it? |
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| 14:01.49 | chops | maaa: It is not only possible, it seems highly likely :-). There is some reason, though, and it's possible to find it by searching for the problem. |
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| 14:01.59 | jan__ | mm i'm gone hurt the ssh creater |
| 14:02.05 | metbsd | i think have great chance of screw it up |
| 14:02.13 | maaa | chops /etc/apache cause /etc/default/apache doesn't exist? |
| 14:02.28 | MangosDebian | metbsd: scroll up |
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| 14:02.49 | metbsd | MangosDebian, but i have to edit many ids, not just those two, i find |
| 14:03.28 | MangosDebian | metbsd: start by getting a list of id's that are broken |
| 14:03.51 | abrotman | pocukrani: that's totally different .. that's either a source code problem .. or it isn't compatible with the version of gcc you're using .. what are you trying to compile ? |
| 14:03.51 | metbsd | it's sort of like bubble sort |
| 14:04.01 | maaa | chops: is there an rc.d conf file or smth? |
| 14:04.16 | pocukrani | abrotman, psybnc |
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| 14:04.45 | abrotman | isn't that already in debian ? |
| 14:04.53 | abrotman | !find psybnc etch |
| 14:05.04 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'psybnc' (2): (/usr/share/perl5/Pisg/Parser/Format/psybnc.pm) in net/pisg ;; (/var/lib/nessus/plugins/psybnc_check.nasl) in admin/nessus-plugins. |
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| 14:06.02 | pocukrani | abrotman, then i can copy and use this? |
| 14:06.48 | abrotman | is psybnc a perl module? |
| 14:07.11 | pocukrani | no? |
| 14:07.42 | maaa | if i can start apache manually using the init.d script there's no reason it should fail at boot right? |
| 14:08.07 | pocukrani | i don`t now, i wont only use psybnc |
| 14:08.22 | abrotman | !psybnc |
| 14:08.23 | dpkg | [psyBNC] One of the most popular IRC bouncers ( http://www.psychoid.net/psybnc.html ) |
| 14:08.26 | abrotman | oh |
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| 14:09.32 | chops | maaa: There is not an rc.d conf file. |
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| 14:10.09 | maaa | so rc.d does what? o: |
| 14:10.13 | maaa | and whats rc.local |
| 14:10.13 | maaa | ? |
| 14:10.35 | stew | maaa: what is rc.d? |
| 14:10.35 | pablo_ | hi, i have installed the spanish package for iceweasel, but it still is in english, what should i do? |
| 14:10.48 | stew | maaa: rc.local is the last thing run in the boot sequence |
| 14:10.57 | MangosDebian | metbsd: figure out how many id's your dealing with yet? |
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| 14:11.01 | moshii | pablo_: what locale are you using? |
| 14:11.07 | pocukrani | abrotman, i ahve downloadet if from psybnc.at |
| 14:11.08 | stew | pablo_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:11.28 | anapivirtua_ | Hi world |
| 14:11.33 | pablo_ | moshii: spanish, all my apps are in spanish except iceweasel |
| 14:11.54 | pocukrani | some time ago on debian sarge work fine, now on fresh install debian etch don`t work more |
| 14:11.54 | metbsd | MangosDebian, i'm going to do it tommorow, thanks you help. |
| 14:12.15 | MangosDebian | metbsd: i will offer one more suggestion to you if you have too many id's |
| 14:12.23 | metbsd | MangosDebian, what |
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| 14:12.42 | moshii | pablo_: either iceweasel wants a different type of spanish locale (myaybe it want's a UTF one)... or it has some other setting and ignores $LANG |
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| 14:12.48 | celt1c | hey guys, upon using debian from a livecd it says 'failed to start the xserver" and that the fatal server error is "no screens found". i am using a laptop so thats probably why...can anyone help me? |
| 14:12.57 | MangosDebian | metbsd: tar up the whole system, alter the password file and restore everything by /etc/passwd and shadow and group files |
| 14:13.07 | Pc_Dark | ummm...in debian, I'm sharing a folder with samba..it appears in my workgroup, yet using my username and password of the system, it wn't let me view the files |
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| 14:13.27 | MangosDebian | metbsd: but would require you erase what doesnt belong on extract. risky if you don't know tar |
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| 14:13.42 | metbsd | MangosDebian, but i tar files with proper owner only |
| 14:13.46 | MangosDebian | metbsd: tar will extract based on name not id's |
| 14:13.54 | abrotman | pocukrani: i've never used it .. i'd ask them and show them your compile log |
| 14:13.55 | moshii | celt1c: no screens means that there's a problem in the configuration ;) |
| 14:14.03 | stew | celt1c: which live cd are you using? |
| 14:14.30 | metbsd | MangosDebian, but when i untar, they are all messed up with weird name/id |
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| 14:14.40 | celt1c | umm the newest version of debian i think |
| 14:14.49 | celt1c | let me see |
| 14:14.51 | MangosDebian | metbsd: cause you need to change the id's before you untar overtop |
| 14:15.17 | MangosDebian | metbsd: and make sure you tell it to erase everything that doesnt belong so nothing odd left over |
| 14:15.21 | stew | celt1c: where did you download it from? |
| 14:15.38 | MangosDebian | metbsd: like the old dir's and bad name mappings |
| 14:15.52 | celt1c | the file name is debain live 40r0 - rc1 i386 gnome cd |
| 14:15.54 | metbsd | ok |
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| 14:16.25 | stew | celt1c: you can try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and try to start x again |
| 14:17.02 | MangosDebian | metbsd: just make sure you test it on some dummy id's and practice changing them and extracting with orginal permissions or else you will really mess up when you extract the system files |
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| 14:17.17 | stew | metbsd: you are running tar as root? and you want the ownership to match what is in the tarball or you want the ownership to all match the user running tar? |
| 14:17.23 | MangosDebian | metbsd: in other words, you probably want to do this from a boot disk |
| 14:17.25 | celt1c | where do i type that in? |
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| 14:17.33 | stew | celt1c: into a root shell |
| 14:17.43 | celt1c | idk how to do that |
| 14:18.07 | stew | celt1c: try running "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 14:18.28 | MangosDebian | stew: he has 2 boxes with mismatched uid/gid and he wants to sync them using NIS/YP but he doesnt know how to fix the existing fs |
| 14:18.52 | vivithemage | debian keeps crashing whenever i transfer things over usb. any idea what is going wrong? |
| 14:18.58 | stew | then why are we bothering with untar before they are synced? |
| 14:19.04 | vivithemage | im using 4.0 |
| 14:19.05 | MangosDebian | stew: first suggestion was find with some script-fu, but he has lots of id's to fix |
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| 14:19.32 | MangosDebian | stew: my advice was tar, alter id's to match, extract all but passwd/groups/shadow etc |
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| 14:21.04 | MangosDebian | soon as he overwrites the altered passwd with the old tar'd one he will hit a snag and mismatch even worse though if he messes up |
| 14:21.36 | MangosDebian | and either has to happen on a boot disk or in init 1 |
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| 14:23.26 | MangosDebian | myself, i would tackle the /home all in one shot first since it can be done in runlvl 2 just fine long as nobody logged in. then tackle the 2 or 3 mismatched system id's with a find -exec chown {} \; though |
| 14:23.26 | majorjrk | what do i add to my sources.list so i find nvidia drivers and etc ? |
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| 14:23.54 | MangosDebian | one slip of tar and you screw yourself with /, least /home is a cake walk |
| 14:24.01 | andreou | greets |
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| 14:24.09 | xand | MangosDebian: writing an essay I see! |
| 14:24.10 | ti|lascia`bnc46 | Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps! |
| 14:24.10 | KesaLoma\samsoo3 | Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership. |
| 14:24.10 | D|Tziel`BNC10 | If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is NiggerNET, and you can connect to irc.gnaa.us as our official server. Follow this link if you are using an irc client such as mIRC. |
| 14:24.13 | KesaLoma\samsoo3 | Freenet is a secure and anonymous content distribution system designed by a team of expert child pornographers attempting to create a more secure network for the acquisition and distribution of child pornography. |
| 14:24.13 | D|Tziel`BNC10 | About Turkey: |
| 14:24.16 | ti|lascia`bnc46 | Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
| 14:24.16 | KesaLoma\samsoo3 | GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the fastest-growing GAY NIGGER community with THOUSANDS of members all over United States of America and the World! You, too, can be a part of GNAA if you join today! |
| 14:24.18 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 14:24.18 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 14:24.19 | ti|lascia`bnc46 | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 14:24.20 | KesaLoma\samsoo3 | Dessimat0r - Trollcore, NYC |
| 14:24.22 | suprOFF|karb29 | Kike magician. |
| 14:24.22 | D|Tziel`BNC10 | Are you GAY? |
| 14:24.22 | KesaLoma\samsoo3 | About GNAA: |
| 14:24.24 | MangosDebian | xand: always. gotta keep the packets flowing |
| 14:24.25 | ti|lascia`bnc46 | Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA First Post on slashdot.org, a popular "news for trolls" website. |
| 14:24.25 | suprOFF|karb29 | Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership. |
| 14:24.25 | D|Tziel`BNC10 | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 14:24.25 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 14:24.26 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@131.Red-80-32-90.staticIP.rima-tde.net] by stew |
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| 14:24.26 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 14:24.28 | ti|lascia`bnc46 | "Star Trek prides itself on boldly going where no man has gone before. Not boldly sitting on your fat ass and playing computer games and talking about it in a failed IRC channel!" said Shatner. |
| 14:24.28 | suprOFF|karb29 | "G4TV is taking the very ethos of Star Trek and perverting it for profit. They have targeted a segment of the population known as Fatmerica. Their actions in sanctioning such an event promote obesity and diabetes within our youth and we as Star Trek representatives do not want to be associated with this sentiment." |
| 14:24.28 | D|Tziel`BNC10 | The overwhelming success of the operation was reflected by the failed moderator Ravager|CH own words: [23:37] <Ravager|CH> another ruined night.. |
| 14:24.29 | shingouz | oh ffs |
| 14:24.29 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 14:24.31 | suprOFF|karb29 | Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
| 14:24.32 | D|Tziel`BNC10 | Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps! |
| 14:24.32 | ti|lascia`bnc46 | Are you a NIGGER? |
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| 14:24.35 | andreou | trying to install or remove 'ttf-opensymbol' aptitude fails to write to the font cache, thus keeping it in the schedule. any idea how to overcome? |
| 14:24.36 | suprOFF|karb29 | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 14:24.37 | ti|lascia`bnc46 | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 14:24.39 | suprOFF|karb29 | About Apple |
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| 14:24.44 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ip70-179-37-229.sd.sd.cox.net] by stew |
| 14:24.45 | *** part/#debian ti|lascia`bnc46 (n=offline\@ip70-179-37-229.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 14:24.55 | sniff` | lol "left" :D |
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| 14:25.08 | sniff` | free node made some funny mods to the IRCD |
| 14:25.10 | MangosDebian | stew: seem to be a daily occurence lately |
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| 14:25.31 | Ind[y] | How can I make dhclient non-verbose through its config file? |
| 14:25.51 | xsdg | sniff`: it's a forced /part |
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| 14:26.09 | sniff` | yeah i know |
| 14:26.23 | sniff` | but why are they forcibbly parted? cause he banned them. didn't he? |
| 14:26.30 | xsdg | sniff`: which is useful since most clients won't auto-rejoin on a part (since, asynchronously, it's difficult to tell a forced part from a /part) |
| 14:26.48 | xsdg | sniff`: probably a client macro |
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| 14:28.06 | fasta | Is there any way I can see what application send how much data in the last 5 minutes? |
| 14:28.33 | xsdg | fasta: the answer is probably "no", but sent to where? (hard drive? network?) |
| 14:28.47 | fasta | xsdg: network |
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| 14:29.09 | Cado | n |
| 14:29.13 | Cado | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.13 | Cado | Hedwig dies on pg. 56 |
| 14:29.13 | Cado | Mad-Eye dies on pg. 78 |
| 14:29.13 | Cado | Scrimgeour dies on pg. 159 |
| 14:29.13 | Cado | Wormtail dies on pg. 471 |
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| 14:29.16 | xsdg | fasta: yeah, if you don't already have monitoring infrastructure in place, then that info's gone |
| 14:29.21 | fasta | xsdg: I saw it sending 50KB/s for a few seconds |
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| 14:29.30 | fasta | xsdg: But I have no idea why it would do that. |
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| 14:29.53 | fasta | xsdg: My machine is relatively up to date and should be relatively secure. |
| 14:29.55 | MangosDebian | fasta: saw what sending? |
| 14:29.57 | `mx | s there a good debian howto out for ldap auth? I cant seem to find anything. |
| 14:30.07 | fasta | MangosDebian: I have no idea what got send. |
| 14:30.10 | MangosDebian | fasta: you using ntp? |
| 14:30.14 | xsdg | fasta: you can watch in realtime with applications like netstat (look at the Send-q column) and iptraf |
| 14:30.16 | fasta | MangosDebian: I use bwmng |
| 14:30.22 | Ind[y] | Where is the dhclient init script located? |
| 14:30.29 | Ind[y] | I want it, because I want to add a flag to dhclient. |
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| 14:30.51 | xsdg | fasta: also, if it was someone hitting ssh, you should see something in /var/log/auth.log |
| 14:30.52 | MangosDebian | fasta: probably just standard internet traffic. you behind a router? |
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| 14:31.12 | sniff` | apt-get upgrade fails to install util-linux when i try to install it manually it says i need an updated tzdata. when i try to install tzdata it wants to remove HALF MY MACHINE :( |
| 14:31.15 | sniff` | what do i do? |
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| 14:31.42 | MangosDebian | sid? |
| 14:32.01 | sniff` | nope etch |
| 14:32.02 | fasta | MangosDebian: can it be Tor? |
| 14:32.06 | stew | sniff`: show us the output of " apt-cache policy libc6 util-linux tzdata " ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 14:32.07 | sniff` | my libc6 went sid though :e |
| 14:32.09 | xsdg | sniff`: yeah, what branch? also, have you tried installing both at the same time? |
| 14:32.14 | fasta | MangosDebian: yes, I use ntp |
| 14:32.15 | MangosDebian | apt-cache policy tzdata |
| 14:32.23 | stew | sniff`: oh, you can't mix etch and sid |
| 14:32.47 | MangosDebian | fasta: dont use the ntp pool servers. your sending time requests all over the world. those are the packets |
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| 14:32.57 | sniff` | yeah i got that already from the memory leaks i had with the kernel :p |
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| 14:33.01 | sniff` | how can i fix it? |
| 14:33.04 | sniff` | im remote btwe |
| 14:33.22 | fasta | MangosDebian: ? |
| 14:33.25 | stew | sniff`: you can manually try to downgrade everything you got from sid, or you can reinstall etch |
| 14:33.25 | xsdg | sniff`: you need to downgrade it if possible |
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| 14:33.40 | fasta | MangosDebian: are you suggesting I shouldn't use ntp? |
| 14:33.41 | sniff` | here's the http://pastebin.ca/623320 |
| 14:33.53 | fasta | MangosDebian: but then my clock gets out of sync. |
| 14:33.54 | MangosDebian | fasta: ntp package uses server 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst |
| 14:34.06 | sniff` | how can i reinstall etch? i already did an upgrade / dist-upgrade which didn't fix the issue |
| 14:34.14 | MangosDebian | fasta: don't use a pool, use a single specific timeserver |
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| 14:34.31 | Krassy | I have debian etch w/o X and put the link to my script to /etc/rc2.d with 99 prio but the script is starting before all startup things(such a crond and sshd) loaded , where i need to put the link and with what prio to make script start after crond and sshd ? |
| 14:34.32 | fasta | MangosDebian: why should I use a specific one? |
| 14:34.45 | fasta | MangosDebian: a pool seems more reliable |
| 14:34.52 | stew | sniff`: yes becuase dist-upgrade only upgrades software, it won't downgrade software. you would reinstall etch by putting in an etch install cd and running the installer |
| 14:34.57 | fasta | MangosDebian: I don't care about the few extra bytes that get send. |
| 14:35.07 | fasta | MangosDebian: I just want to know when I am part of a botnet. |
| 14:35.16 | MangosDebian | fasta: do you honestly think a primary timeserver going down once in a blue moon is gonna affect your time? |
| 14:35.33 | sniff` | stew no way to do it other than manually downgrading it? can i find all packages there are sid? |
| 14:35.35 | fasta | MangosDebian: no, but I don't see the relevance of your suggestion. |
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| 14:35.38 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 14:35.48 | xsdg | sniff`: try apt-get install libc6=2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 14:35.55 | lkthomas | is there have any web base GUI program for config iptables ? |
| 14:35.57 | xsdg | sniff`: (which is called pinning) |
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| 14:36.03 | stew | sniff`: correct. no way other than manually downgrading it. you can maybe find sid versions with apt-show-versions |
| 14:36.04 | MangosDebian | fasta: also seems like a bad idea for other machines around the world to be able to send you false (possibly exploitable) ntp packets. now that they get your ip every day |
| 14:36.11 | sniff` | xsdg im doing it remote, won't it f00k it up? |
| 14:36.18 | xsdg | sniff`: huh? |
| 14:36.33 | sniff` | im connected to the server with shh |
| 14:36.34 | MangosDebian | fasta: you ask a hackers ntp for time, if theres a bug in ntp, your rooted. simple |
| 14:36.36 | chops | sniff`: I also notice that you have a sarge version of util-linux... |
| 14:36.38 | xsdg | sniff`: but anyway, no; you should be fine |
| 14:36.42 | fasta | MangosDebian: ok |
| 14:36.49 | stew | sniff`: no, it will complain and do nothing, you should do it using the aptitude frontend, explicity select that version of libc6, and then start fixing all of the packags that breaks |
| 14:36.51 | fasta | MangosDebian: I had no idea there was such a leak. |
| 14:36.51 | xsdg | sniff`: when it restarts ssh and stuff, it doesn't affect current connectinos |
| 14:36.53 | MangosDebian | fasta: not to mention they know your probably running debian as well |
| 14:36.54 | xsdg | connections* |
| 14:36.54 | sniff` | chops: yeah cause i can't upgrade it to etch cause of the sid issues lol |
| 14:37.01 | stew | sniff`: you can find broken packages in aptitude by search ing for ~b |
| 14:37.09 | fasta | MangosDebian: ok, so, how do I find a specific one? |
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| 14:37.25 | chops | sniff`: Do not upgrade from sarge to sid. Go one major release at a time at most, and get all the way there before upgrading further. |
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| 14:37.34 | fasta | xsdg: what option for netstat can I use? There are too many to list with the -c option in one screen. |
| 14:37.40 | MangosDebian | fasta: google for time servers? i know which one i use. or if you have windows, you can use the ones they list |
| 14:37.43 | Arafangion | What is the conventional way to provide sha1sums for a particular file? |
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| 14:37.51 | Arafangion | (What naming, that is) |
| 14:37.53 | xsdg | fasta: I like `netstat -nltap` |
| 14:37.58 | sniff` | stew> sniff`: no, it will complain and do nothing ; what would? |
| 14:38.12 | stew | sniff`: running "apt-get install libc6=2.3.6.ds1-13" |
| 14:38.19 | sniff` | oh |
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| 14:38.24 | sniff` | i tried it on virtual pc |
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| 14:38.31 | Arafangion | I'm thinking: for f in `ls files`; do sha1sum $f > $f.sha1; done |
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| 14:38.45 | MangosDebian | fasta: as well, what if I wanted to be an asshole and send incorrect time packets to everyone running debian? I just have to join the pool and I get to set your time periodically :) |
| 14:38.47 | sniff` | and it got messed up in the middle but dpgk -i oldlibc6.deb |
| 14:38.49 | stew | sniff`: it would complain that you already have other things depending on a newer version of libc6, you should use the aptitude frontend to queue up all the downgrades at once, then cross your fingers |
| 14:39.04 | Arafangion | sniff`: Probably absolutely not relevant ;) But I do find VirtualPC slower than VMware. :) |
| 14:39.06 | sniff` | i got some error from dpgk-reconfigure |
| 14:39.07 | lindenle | Is there a place I can put an postup user script for my network interface (i.e. not root)? |
| 14:39.21 | fasta | MangosDebian: are you suggesting my machine only asks one machine for time? |
| 14:39.29 | sniff` | Arafangion i used both and i like Vpc better. matter of flavor i guess |
| 14:39.31 | fasta | MangosDebian: that would be a crazy system |
| 14:39.33 | MangosDebian | fasta: its round robin dns |
| 14:39.43 | Arafangion | sniff`: Vpc is simpler. |
| 14:39.49 | sniff` | yup |
| 14:39.51 | Arafangion | sniff`: Which is not altogether a bad thing :) |
| 14:40.03 | MangosDebian | fasta: google for time servers and pick the nist link. they have a nice list |
| 14:40.03 | sniff` | well i ran VMWare from an older PC maybe that why i don't like it |
| 14:40.04 | abrotman | lindenle: to do what? |
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| 14:40.15 | abrotman | lindenle: oh .. man interfaces |
| 14:40.16 | sniff` | anyways, Arafangion, simplicity is genious, isn't it? :p |
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| 14:40.23 | cr3 | when I try to set the mode of my ipw3945 wireless controller to master, I get invalid argument. what's wrong with the command: iwconfig eth1 set mode master |
| 14:40.34 | fasta | MangosDebian: and where is the configuration file? (FM question)? |
| 14:40.37 | pablo_ | how do i export a variable and save it? |
| 14:40.39 | sniff` | so stew, xsdg: whats better? apt-get install with pinning or aptitude? |
| 14:40.40 | MangosDebian | fasta: and trust me, I doubt that your clock will skew more than a few nano seconds should they go down for 3 or 4 minutes until a backup kicks in |
| 14:40.55 | MangosDebian | fasta: /etc/ntp.conf |
| 14:40.57 | lindenle | abrotman: I want it to run a backup every time I bring up my work connection |
| 14:41.00 | xsdg | sniff`: well, if you haven't done this before, aptitude is probably your friend |
| 14:41.05 | abrotman | lindenle: right .. man interfaces |
| 14:41.06 | moshii | cr3: did you bring the interface up first? |
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| 14:41.24 | lindenle | abrotman: I know about post-up I just wanted to know how i run it as a certain user for ssh keys. |
| 14:41.29 | sniff` | xsdg i actually find aptitude harder to use :( |
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| 14:41.34 | moshii | cr3: also master mode isn't supported on most cards |
| 14:41.47 | fasta | MangosDebian: ok, and how about a solution for keeping records how much every application send? |
| 14:41.49 | pablo_ | for example if i export LC_ALL="es_AR.UTF-8", how do i save it |
| 14:42.00 | Krassy | abrotman:I have debian etch w/o X and put the link to my script to /etc/rc2.d with 99 prio but the script is starting before all startup things(such a crond and sshd) loaded , where i need to put the link and with what prio to make script start after crond and sshd ? |
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| 14:42.09 | stew | sniff`: aptitude |
| 14:42.21 | xsdg | sniff`: it's up to you; aptitude does have the advantage of doing some of the legwork for you |
| 14:42.21 | abrotman | Krassy: S99 or just 99 ? |
| 14:42.27 | MangosDebian | fasta: well, few ways there. ettercap, wireshark or iptraf could all do it. iptraf probably a little more what your looking for |
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| 14:42.32 | abrotman | lindenle: su -c ? |
| 14:42.33 | sniff` | and do what, again? i didn't really get what u wrote last time |
| 14:42.42 | fasta | MangosDebian: I want something that runs in the background |
| 14:42.43 | abrotman | lindenle: erm .. su - -c |
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| 14:42.54 | MangosDebian | fasta: not sure about logging abaility of it, but it does give a visual list and a break down of stats |
| 14:42.58 | fasta | MangosDebian: wireshark is GUI, IIRC |
| 14:43.11 | MangosDebian | fasta: theres a cli version |
| 14:43.17 | xsdg | fasta: you're aware that logging interfaces slows them down to some extent, right? |
| 14:43.30 | fasta | xsdg: yes, but that should be neglible. |
| 14:43.42 | fasta | xsdg: This is not Gigabit Net Access. |
| 14:44.02 | MangosDebian | fasta: tshark i believe |
| 14:44.03 | fasta | xsdg: I am only interested in what gets send through my low-performace net link. |
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| 14:44.33 | xsdg | fasta: for permanent logging, I'm not sure about what's available |
| 14:44.49 | Arafangion | xsdg: There is always the dot matrix printer. |
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| 14:45.09 | xsdg | fasta: what generally works for me is to have a network usage monitor (in gkrellm2), and when the usage looks weird, I run a tcpdump :o) |
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| 14:45.12 | xsdg | Arafangion: 8) |
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| 14:45.19 | test_ | anyone know a ejabberd room? |
| 14:45.26 | xsdg | Arafangion: a fast enough dot matrix would be expensive |
| 14:45.40 | Arafangion | test_: lounge@jabber.org.au, perhaps. |
| 14:45.52 | abrotman | there is a #jabber |
| 14:45.54 | Arafangion | xsdg: Most people use a serial connection to a dedicated machine. :) |
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| 14:46.18 | abrotman | erm .. seems to be ##jabber now |
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| 14:46.30 | cr3 | moshii: is it the hardware which might not support master mode or the driver or both? |
| 14:46.36 | xsdg | well, time to start the going-to-work process |
| 14:46.38 | xsdg | later |
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| 14:47.01 | test_ | Arafangion, that's irce? |
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| 14:47.20 | test_ | IRC |
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| 14:47.58 | sniff` | why does aptitude show me crap in its msg box? |
| 14:48.50 | abrotman | define crap |
| 14:48.58 | abrotman | test_: /join ##jabber |
| 14:49.01 | GameOver | hey can anyone help me with a debian based dreamlinux installation? i put the cd it and it booots up to the main screen. but when u select theboot option it failes |
| 14:49.13 | sniff` | weird ascii chars? |
| 14:49.20 | MangosDebian | fasta: i suppose you could always go the log all packet headers route and put it on a spare tty with rotation capture files though. would allow you to open them up for inspection as you see fit as well |
| 14:49.31 | chops | !based on |
| 14:49.31 | dpkg | Your distribution uses <apt>, but is not officialy Debian maintained (see <why Debian>), nor do we manage all aspects of it. (see <Debian policy>) Therefore, we are not obligated to help you (see <based on Debian caveats>). Please visit the proper IRC channel for your distribution. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> to name a few. |
| 14:49.36 | GameOver | i get stuff like pivot_root: no such file or direwctory |
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| 14:49.52 | GameOver | o ok |
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| 14:51.04 | Shadur | sniff`: Wrong charset? Try switching to or from UTF-8 in your terminal emulator. |
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| 14:51.28 | Krassy | abrotman:but the script is w/o normal exit , he is endless cycle and when i stop it with ctl-c then the sshd , crond, MTA(they are also 99) loads and then the my script is continue and then i can`t stop it with ctl-c ! |
| 14:51.55 | sniff` | Shadur how? what's the env var's name? |
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| 14:52.12 | abrotman | Krassy: paste the script somewhere if you can |
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| 14:52.17 | dkruz | want a FREE iPhone? Go here to Score Yourself a FREE iPhone http://www.YourFreeiPhone.com/index.php?ref=3922029 Super easy. |
| 14:52.56 | abrotman | dkruz: go away |
| 14:53.09 | Shadur | dkruz: Go away and die please. |
| 14:53.09 | majorjrk | ive installed nvidia drivers, and kde, when i do startx the screen just goes black, any tip what this indicates ? before it just returned with an error |
| 14:53.13 | dkruz | :) |
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| 14:53.29 | MangosDebian | i swear should just enable registered nicks send to channel only just because |
| 14:53.36 | sniff` | Shadur my languages are en_us :x |
| 14:53.38 | abrotman | MangosDebian: can't do that |
| 14:53.51 | abrotman | well .. they could .. but wouldn't be much support in the support channel :) |
| 14:53.54 | Shadur | sniff`: Not languages, charset. |
| 14:54.08 | Shadur | are you using en_US iso-8859-1 or en_US UTF-8? |
| 14:54.12 | MangosDebian | abrotman: sure, just make the onjoin message explain it to them |
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| 14:54.20 | fasta | MangosDebian: man ntpd doesn't say what "dynamic" and "iburst" are after a server command |
| 14:54.35 | sniff` | Shadur: says just en_us and i have both installed |
| 14:54.36 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 14:54.37 | MangosDebian | abrotman: least the opers can see mass nick registrations |
| 14:54.37 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@66.175.214.182] by azeem |
| 14:54.37 | *** kick/#debian [dkruz!n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-47-129.dynamic.mnet-online.de] by azeem (no spamming) |
| 14:54.37 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 14:54.56 | MangosDebian | fasta: scroll up a line, they have an example with the proper format for a single |
| 14:55.17 | fasta | MangosDebian: I saw that |
| 14:55.18 | MangosDebian | fasta: # You do need to talk to an NTP server or two (or three). (below this) |
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| 14:55.34 | fasta | MangosDebian: but the debian configuration already includes "iburst" |
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| 14:55.51 | MangosDebian | fasta: basically just comment all the pool ips and put a "server tick.blah.com" or whatever it is you picked |
| 14:56.16 | Krassy | abrotman:join to flood |
| 14:56.23 | MangosDebian | fasta: type: host 0.debian.pool.ntp.org |
| 14:56.35 | fasta | MangosDebian: so, you don't know what it is either? |
| 14:56.57 | MangosDebian | fasta: man ntp.conf |
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| 14:57.42 | MangosDebian | fasta: you run that host command yet? |
| 14:58.00 | MangosDebian | replace 0 with 1, and 2 and 3 as well. |
| 14:58.10 | fasta | MangosDebian: yes, I did. |
| 14:58.28 | sniff` | how do i set the charmap to ascii??:( |
| 14:58.51 | MangosDebian | fasta: run host on a few of those ips. |
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| 14:59.30 | Posterdati | hi |
| 14:59.36 | fasta | MangosDebian: I did, but I don't see the purpose. |
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| 14:59.54 | MangosDebian | fasta: notice anything in common with their location? |
| 15:00.00 | Posterdati | please I could not read Video DVD with xine... Shall I use libdvdcss? Where I could fint it for debian? |
| 15:00.10 | fasta | MangosDebian: you mean physical location? |
| 15:00.20 | fasta | MangosDebian: or just that the addresses are different/ |
| 15:00.21 | fasta | ? |
| 15:00.25 | MangosDebian | fasta: location |
| 15:00.29 | chops | !tell Posterdati about multimedia |
| 15:00.47 | chops | !tell Posterdati about debian-multimedia |
| 15:00.52 | fasta | MangosDebian: I don't have a mapping from ip numbers to location in my head. |
| 15:00.56 | chops | Whoops |
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| 15:01.40 | MangosDebian | fasta: host <ip> would have resolved it for you but anyways |
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| 15:02.20 | MangosDebian | fasta: packets are from everywhere, .iq, .jp etc. all the lovely hacker havens |
| 15:02.34 | Pc_Dark | how do you print to network printers? |
| 15:02.46 | fasta | MangosDebian: ok, so this was a lesson :) |
| 15:03.36 | Posterdati | ! tell Posterdati debian-multimedia.etch |
| 15:03.47 | Posterdati | !help |
| 15:03.48 | Pixer | Here is the help you requested: |
| 15:03.49 | Pixer | !seen <nick> will display the last seen info for <nick> |
| 15:03.49 | Pixer | !quote add <nick> "<quote>" will add <quote> for <nick>. If a quote exists, this will overwrite the current quote. |
| 15:03.49 | Pixer | !quote <nick> will return quote for <nick> if one exists |
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| 15:03.50 | fasta | MangosDebian: cuba.esysmail.com <- I don't see anything more suspicous of the 5 I tried |
| 15:03.57 | dpkg | i haven't seen '<nick> will display the last seen info for <nick>', Pixer |
| 15:03.59 | dpkg | WILL: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A 11:-47am, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; RETURN: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A 4:26am, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; QUOTE: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; FOR: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; IF: 12.57 (12.81/12.34), 7/17/2007 10:42am, Opened 12.35, Volume 55,400, Change +0.22 ;; ONE: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; EXISTS: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), ... |
| 15:04.04 | dpkg | ADD: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A 10:-92am, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; WILL: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; ADD: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A 1:-404pm, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; FOR: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; .: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; IF: 12.57 (12.81/12.34), 7/17/2007 10:42am, Opened 12.35, Volume 55,400, Change +0.22 ;; A: 39.80 (39.90/39.54), ... |
| 15:04.18 | MangosDebian | fasta: all im saying is alot of the world dns servers use bind and they got pwnd many many times due to bugs. what makes you think ntp is any different? and why in hell would you want someone in korea or japan being allowed to send your server packets to manipulate its time? |
| 15:04.48 | fasta | MangosDebian: yes, so, using a time server of my ISP would be better? |
| 15:05.03 | MangosDebian | fasta: if they have one, yes |
| 15:05.05 | fasta | MangosDebian: or would that be an evil organisation too? |
| 15:05.10 | xand | spamspamspam |
| 15:05.12 | chops | MangosDebian: Yes, you know how sneaky those orientals are :-/ |
| 15:05.19 | fasta | MangosDebian: can't trust anyone, etc.. ;) |
| 15:05.21 | nkuttler | Pc_Dark: do you have kde or gnome installed? usually you install cups or lprng and configure it. i guess the guis have tools to do that |
| 15:05.37 | fasta | cups is evil |
| 15:05.44 | MangosDebian | chops: not to rule them out, but their spam levels give them the honour of being top of the shit list ;) |
| 15:05.53 | sniff` | how do i set the charmap to ascii? |
| 15:05.59 | sniff` | terminal charset that is |
| 15:06.01 | sniff` | or aptitude : |
| 15:06.02 | sniff` | :p |
| 15:06.08 | HuK0B | where Packages Sources of apt are stored? |
| 15:06.18 | sniff` | /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 15:06.18 | HuK0B | because I have strange data integrity problems |
| 15:06.20 | fasta | MangosDebian: man ntp.conf is only a suggestion to install the doc package (which I have done now, FYI) |
| 15:06.21 | HuK0B | thanks |
| 15:06.26 | MangosDebian | fasta: unfortunately all your packets go through your isp, so you can't really argue against them since they could fsck you over anyway |
| 15:06.38 | fasta | MangosDebian: right |
| 15:06.45 | fasta | MangosDebian: I would rather just have a secure OS |
| 15:07.07 | fasta | MangosDebian: problem is secure and C don't go together |
| 15:07.19 | fasta | MangosDebian: secure and cheap also don't go together |
| 15:07.25 | MangosDebian | fasta: i wouldnt advise the ntp change is I didnt think it was a dumb fsckin idea to use a public pool in the first place |
| 15:07.50 | fasta | MangosDebian: wouldn't it be like a good idea to send this to debian-security mailing list, or similar. |
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| 15:08.13 | Posterdati | tx done! |
| 15:08.17 | maxamillion | fasta: secure and C *can* go together, it just requires _alot_ more effort |
| 15:08.21 | fasta | MangosDebian: defaults should be secure |
| 15:08.22 | Posterdati | chops: added Marillat repositories |
| 15:08.27 | MangosDebian | ntp in debian is basically a bloody p2p program saying "HI! Im debian, what time is it?" to just about everyone you _wouldn't_ want to ask for time |
| 15:08.28 | Posterdati | chops: tx |
| 15:08.56 | fasta | maxamillion: machine verified code in C? |
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| 15:09.20 | maxamillion | fasta: oh wait ... i think i came in on the wrong part of the convo |
| 15:09.32 | jelly | MangosDebian: duh, it's not everyone. |
| 15:09.35 | montoya | azz |
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| 15:09.54 | MangosDebian | jelly: i think you need to take a hard look at the ips from the pool |
| 15:10.00 | maxamillion | fasta: i apparently am not aware of what was being discussed .... my mistake |
| 15:10.07 | MangosDebian | jelly: clearly home use broadband |
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| 15:10.57 | Zesturian | How can I force apt to reinstall the configuration files for a package? |
| 15:11.09 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 15:11.09 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 15:11.12 | valdyn | Zesturian: ^^^ |
| 15:11.23 | Zesturian | Thanks. |
| 15:11.45 | jelly | MangosDebian: so? They are trusted by the folks who maintain pool.ntp.org database. |
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| 15:13.33 | MangosDebian | jelly: for k in `host 1.debian.pool.ntp.org | awk '{print $4}' | grep -v "alias"`;do host $k;done |
| 15:13.35 | jelly | MangosDebian: also, my ntp client trusts majority, and only 2 of 14 are home-use like. |
| 15:13.53 | jelly | MangosDebian: that's what I did...? |
| 15:14.05 | jelly | without grep -v alias though |
| 15:14.09 | MangosDebian | anyways, who you trust is your business |
| 15:14.46 | valdyn | what would really happen if a single ntp server gave me the wrong time? |
| 15:14.49 | MangosDebian | some people like simple passwords with ssh, ftp and telnet open to the world and no firewall, and thats their decision too |
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| 15:15.09 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.06 | MangosDebian | valdyn: your missing some of the other attack vectors. think ident names giving you valid accounts. its the not so obvious stuff that people dont think of that tends to bite you |
| 15:16.09 | jelly | MangosDebian: indeed. and it's a decision of different weight and consequences than syncing ntp from 0.pool.ntp.org |
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| 15:18.13 | MangosDebian | jelly: i agree with that. for the most part its harmless, but you just never know |
| 15:18.38 | MangosDebian | jelly: almost like arguing the portmapper on a default debian install. really just a pointless flame war |
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| 15:19.02 | MangosDebian | but i bet you can find 100 docs on how to use that info to aide an attack on the net |
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| 15:19.42 | MangosDebian | just people dont consider ntp a vector cause nobody has docs for ideas how to use it in google yet :) |
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| 15:20.21 | notes | any good books for learning debian really well? i intend to use debian for production serving of DNS, Mail, Asterisk, NFS, Xen of other virtual Debians, things of that sort. |
| 15:20.34 | notes | i am a really late comer |
| 15:20.54 | notes | much obglied |
| 15:20.56 | blinx | how can I set up a small repository for a few deb packagesß |
| 15:20.57 | notes | obliged |
| 15:20.58 | blinx | ? |
| 15:21.10 | tarzeau | blinx: i'd use dput and debarchiver |
| 15:21.23 | tarzeau | blinx: we do it like here: http://wiki.debian.org/Enterprise |
| 15:21.37 | RichiH | i need a cli tool to show ip traffic live, by flow and with current and average up/downstream |
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| 15:22.17 | fasta | My ISP offers a freely accessible UNIX host, but I have no idea how to actually login to that machine. Is there some standard procedure for that? |
| 15:22.18 | guzu | hello all |
| 15:22.27 | jelly | fasta: ssh. |
| 15:22.29 | skumby | RichiH: bwm-ng works pretty well |
| 15:22.30 | fasta | I tried both ssh and telnet and they both give me a login screen. |
| 15:22.37 | fasta | jelly: yes, I tried that. |
| 15:22.47 | fasta | jelly: I just don't know what password to enter |
| 15:22.48 | jelly | fasta: you get a login screen after logging in ? :-) |
| 15:22.59 | fasta | jelly: no, I think that was via telnet. |
| 15:23.00 | jelly | fasta: well, ask them for the password. |
| 15:23.02 | blinx | tarzeau: is this really the right manual to set up a repo? |
| 15:23.04 | guzu | E: Package synaptic has no instalation candidate. what repos do i need to add? (4.0) |
| 15:23.09 | RichiH | skumby: let me try that |
| 15:23.20 | azeem | guzu: main |
| 15:23.21 | xand | fasta: how should we know the passworD? try the username/password you use to connect to your ISP |
| 15:23.37 | fasta | xand: right, I was asking whether that would be a standard thing to do. |
| 15:23.55 | xand | fasta: most ISPs don't provide a unix machine to use |
| 15:23.57 | notes | fasta: you may have to email them |
| 15:24.00 | fasta | xand: I was not asking for a cristall ball. |
| 15:24.02 | tarzeau | blinx: well i don't know. i use it, it works |
| 15:24.11 | tarzeau | blinx: there's many other ways |
| 15:24.12 | jelly | fasta: there's no standard, could be the sam password, could be another. |
| 15:24.21 | blinx | tarzeau: I need debarchiver? |
| 15:24.23 | fasta | jelly: ok, well, then I will look some further. |
| 15:24.25 | JarJarBinks | does it make sence that what valgrind is telling me here (text follow) is that libstdc++6 was not compiled with gcc 3.4.5 ? ./program: /usr/lib/debug/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.5' not found (required by ./program) ./program: /usr/lib/debug/libstdc++.so.6: version `CXXABI_1.3.1' not found (required by ./program) |
| 15:24.27 | guzu | azeem, ah, ok, i have only security :) is there any sources.list example? |
| 15:24.28 | fasta | thanks |
| 15:24.29 | tarzeau | blinx: quite a few of them work. i wouldn't say this particular or another is the right one |
| 15:24.34 | tarzeau | blinx: i don't know. i need it |
| 15:25.11 | guzu | azeem, is something like updates.debian.org? |
| 15:25.23 | azeem | guzu: no, you're lacking the main mirror |
| 15:25.44 | azeem | it's "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stable main", replace "de" with your country code |
| 15:25.48 | jelly | JarJarBinks: sounds like ./program wasn't built on that machine, and possibly not on debian |
| 15:25.53 | blinx | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto |
| 15:25.54 | guzu | azeem, thnx a lot! |
| 15:26.08 | JarJarBinks | jelly: I just compiled it on this machine |
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| 15:26.28 | RichiH | skumby: that is not per flow, though |
| 15:26.37 | jelly | JarJarBinks: ah, no idea then |
| 15:26.42 | guzu | thnx blinx, i'm reading it now |
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| 15:26.59 | JarJarBinks | jelly: and it does run without problems, as long as valgrind is not run on it |
| 15:27.07 | skumby | RichiH: best console bandwidth monitor i know of |
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| 15:27.44 | RichiH | skumby: ok, thanks |
| 15:27.46 | blinx | http://people.debian.org/~calvin/unofficial/ |
| 15:28.12 | JarJarBinks | I just did valgrind /bin/ls ... got: ERROR SUMMARY: 27 errors from 8 contexts (suppressed: 0 from 0) all (within /lib/ld-2.6.so) |
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| 15:29.33 | jelly | JarJarBinks: hm, mine (i386 / lenny/sid) suppresses just fine: ERROR SUMMARY: 0 errors from 0 contexts (suppressed: 27 from 1) |
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| 15:29.55 | fasta | Ok, the website does document it, it was just a bit hidden. |
| 15:30.03 | RichiH | skumby: iftop |
| 15:30.04 | jelly | JarJarBinks: you have experimental libc6? |
| 15:30.17 | skumby | RichiH: thanks ;) |
| 15:30.30 | azeem | libc-2.6 is in unstable |
| 15:30.40 | jelly | ah, I haven't updated for a bit |
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| 15:30.53 | ttl- | greetings |
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| 15:31.13 | ttl- | how can i change the volume name of a vfat usb stick ? |
| 15:31.30 | blinx | man mkfs.vfat |
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| 15:31.41 | ttl- | it's a new one and reads kingston atm |
| 15:31.48 | jelly | blinx: and without reformatting? ;-) |
| 15:32.04 | ttl- | blinx: without losing my data i mean |
| 15:32.15 | blinx | backup |
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| 15:32.24 | ttl- | lol |
| 15:32.26 | blinx | is there no function in cfdisk? |
| 15:32.28 | jelly | maaaaybe mlabel |
| 15:32.41 | jelly | (from mtools ... I wouldn't bet on it tho) |
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| 15:36.21 | tenco | somebody knows what packages i need to encrypt & decrypt messages with kmail? etch + backports |
| 15:37.09 | blinx | openssl, gpg? |
| 15:37.14 | streuner | tenco: apt-cache show kmail |
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| 15:38.17 | streuner | ... PGP/GnuPG privacy |
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| 15:38.46 | streuner | Suggests: gnupg, gnupg-agent |
| 15:38.47 | ShadowMajestic | is it possible to easily downgrade gcc 4.x to 3.x? |
| 15:38.59 | streuner | sure |
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| 15:39.06 | majorjrk | Can someone help me with X, been stuck a few hours, trying to get it work on my new laptop, thing is when i run startx the screen goes black and i cant kill xserver. neither change tty, so i really dont know what to do anymore |
| 15:39.16 | tenco | streuner: all installed. yet i can't decrypt messages i sent to myself |
| 15:39.39 | ttl- | why it is there is no tool in linux to change vfat disklabels |
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| 15:39.51 | ttl- | is there a special reason for that? |
| 15:40.02 | tenco | error: false passphrase |
| 15:40.10 | themill | majorjrk: can you tell us what laptop, what chipset, what driver, what version of debian you're using? |
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| 15:40.25 | ShadowMajestic | [17:37] <streuner> sure <> wich is? i tried it a few times, but i cant seem to downgrade it :( |
| 15:40.33 | tenco | but i wasn't asked any passphrase |
| 15:40.44 | streuner | majorjrk: /msg dpkg laptos |
| 15:40.45 | themill | majorjrk: (you may get better help by asking the debian-laptop mailing list) |
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| 15:41.33 | majorjrk | so this is a commin issue with laptops only ? |
| 15:41.40 | yoshio | majorjrk: did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
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| 15:41.51 | majorjrk | yoshio: a few times |
| 15:42.09 | streuner | majorjrk: what does "lspci -v | grep -i vga" say? |
| 15:42.23 | majorjrk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.32 | ShadowMajestic | lspci -v | grep -i vga |
| 15:42.32 | ShadowMajestic | pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci |
| 15:42.33 | ShadowMajestic | lol |
| 15:42.55 | streuner | install an official kernel :-) |
| 15:43.06 | JarJarBinks | jelly: I've got libc6 2.6-2 0 |
| 15:43.07 | tenco | only signed messages are correctly tested |
| 15:43.14 | xerophyte | with vi how can i replace the tabs with nothing i tried :%s/\t//g that didn't work .. could somebody give me |
| 15:43.16 | ShadowMajestic | putty on server no vga card? |
| 15:43.20 | ShadowMajestic | :p |
| 15:43.46 | majorjrk | 01:00.0 Vga compatible controller: nvidia corp unknown device 0407 (rev a 1) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 15:44.40 | ShadowMajestic | whots version cmd? |
| 15:44.49 | tenco | streuner: i installed all of them, yet i can't decrypt messages i sent to myself |
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| 15:45.19 | Lookapooka | want a FREE iPhone? Go here to Score Yourself a FREE iPhone http://www.YourFreeiPhone.com/index.php?ref=3922029 Super easy. |
| 15:45.20 | jelly | ShadowMajestic: if you're using Grsecurity for example, you might not have access to /proc as a normal user |
| 15:45.20 | Lookapooka | want a FREE iPhone? Go here to Score Yourself a FREE iPhone http://www.YourFreeiPhone.com/index.php?ref=3922029 Super easy. |
| 15:45.37 | jelly | !ops Lookapooka spamming |
| 15:45.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly complains about: Lookapooka spamming |
| 15:45.43 | sniff` | Lookapooka yeah i do. but i don't like signing up for spam. can u give me one? |
| 15:46.17 | lindenle | will the group sticky bit make a directory so all files in it are group readable (i.e newly created files)? |
| 15:46.26 | ShadowMajestic | jelly: Im running debian sarge, but i forgot the cmd to see whot version lol |
| 15:46.45 | jelly | ShadowMajestic: are you running lspci as root? |
| 15:46.52 | ShadowMajestic | yah |
| 15:46.52 | themill | tenco: have you told kmail to use the crypto backends? Settings -> Configure Kmail -> Security -> Crypto backends. Also Tools -> Certificate manager. |
| 15:47.02 | Maerz | can you suggest me a p2p technology, if possible decentral, for lan only ? |
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| 15:47.55 | JarJarBinks | Maerz: coda ? |
| 15:47.59 | rahul | how about you? |
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| 15:48.19 | rahul | :\ ... elbowed by mouse to the wrong window :P |
| 15:48.38 | vivithemage | debian keeps crashing whenever i transfer things over usb. any idea what is going wrong? |
| 15:48.39 | sniff` | lol |
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| 15:51.26 | ktwilight | vivithemage, check logs? |
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| 15:52.47 | sniff` | whats the key to Upgrade in aptitude 0.4.5.4? U doesn't work :s |
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| 15:53.01 | JarJarBinks | in sources.list security updates are for stable/updates eventhough I run testing ... right? |
| 15:53.10 | mith | ok how do I tell dhclient "stop touching resolv.conf goddamn it" |
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| 15:53.17 | mith | in etch |
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| 15:53.23 | sniff` | mith take it's permissions? |
| 15:53.25 | Zmanu | hello |
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| 15:53.45 | mith | in sarge i just removed resolvconf but it seems like dhclient does it's thing automagically without resolvconf now |
| 15:53.48 | Zmanu | is it possible to find a repository to have gnome 2.18 under etch ? |
| 15:54.03 | mith | and it's annoying because it keeps whacking my search domains |
| 15:55.08 | tigrou3tac | hi all, someone use fiber chanel card like emulex card for connecting to SAN ? |
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| 15:55.42 | sniff` | what are those pages in aptitude? |
| 15:55.49 | sniff` | the ones , . flip through? |
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| 15:57.59 | MajorPayne | What would happen if I upgrade sshd over ssh? Will that work? Will I get disconnected and the upgrade fail because sshd restarted and I lost connection? |
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| 15:58.14 | sniff` | MajorPayne it'd work |
| 15:58.18 | sniff` | i've tried |
| 15:58.21 | nite613__ | MajorPayne: It will work |
| 15:58.28 | MajorPayne | Ok. Thanks. |
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| 15:58.35 | sniff` | just make sure u not using the wrong sources :p ur whole system would get f00ked up |
| 15:58.38 | nite613__ | Your existing sshd process that you're connected to will stay alive even when the binary is replaced and the new one started |
| 15:58.47 | et | MajorPayne: you can restart sshd without losing the connection |
| 15:58.58 | sebastian | ehy cant I do "lsusb" ? It just sitts there and just, does nothing.. |
| 15:59.01 | jhiver | hi all, i'm trying to configure a silly simple debian DCHP + DNS + firewall NAT office router with dsnmasq + firehol, but i'm having some issues |
| 15:59.07 | et | but if sshd won't come back and you lose your connection, you have fun ;) |
| 15:59.30 | jhiver | dnsmasq looks like it works fine, but the actual "firewall / router" part doesn't seem to be doing the job |
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| 15:59.33 | MajorPayne | et, nite613, sniff`: Thanks. |
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| 15:59.36 | nite613 | MajorPayne: If it's from standard sources you're pretty much fine. It's kernel upgrades on remote machines you want to give some more careful thought to! ;) |
| 15:59.39 | jhiver | can somebody help me out please? |
| 15:59.48 | nite613 | !ask |
| 15:59.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:59.56 | MajorPayne | nite613: No, no kernel upgrade. |
| 16:00.02 | sniff` | MajorPayne np |
| 16:00.06 | setuid | Why am I getting this? http://rafb.net/p/WIB8Rp67.html |
| 16:00.15 | setuid | Some mirrors down? ftp.debian.org down? |
| 16:00.16 | loufoque | setuid: because setuid is evil |
| 16:00.27 | et | MajorPayne: i was pretty scared when i did a remote dist-upgrade from sarge to etch and i saw "shutting down sshd" ;) |
| 16:00.53 | sn0 | setuid the site appears up (for me), can you ping ftp.debian.org in the terminal? |
| 16:00.55 | nite613 | remote dist-upgrade is next in line for white knuckles after remote kernel upgrade |
| 16:01.06 | sn0 | also setuid try ping 128.101.240.212 |
| 16:01.11 | nite613 | though actually I've never had it go bad |
| 16:01.14 | setuid | sn0, It returns pings, but that just means the network card on that interface is receiving packets |
| 16:01.25 | sn0 | setuid so it is not a dns issue |
| 16:01.32 | setuid | Check the rafb, something is failing to retrieve package lists |
| 16:01.35 | MajorPayne | et: It seems to have worked. I am using irssi over ssh on the machine I am upgrading :-P |
| 16:01.54 | setuid | Err http://ftp.debian.org stable/main Packages |
| 16:01.54 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:01.58 | themill | setuid: does the name resolve correctly? |
| 16:02.01 | setuid | themill, yes |
| 16:02.13 | setuid | It wouldn't be a 404 if it didn't ;) |
| 16:02.20 | setuid | # host ftp.debian.org |
| 16:02.20 | setuid | ftp.debian.org has address 128.101.240.212 |
| 16:02.20 | setuid | ftp.debian.org mail is handled by 10 gluck.debian.org. |
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| 16:02.40 | themill | setuid: if it resolves to the wrong host it will be a 404... but that looks ok |
| 16:02.43 | sniff` | wtf is wrong with aptitude? im telling it to downgrade libc6 and all the "solution" don't downgrade it! |
| 16:03.08 | nfi|ermes | is there a way to install a package via apt-get withouth installing depending packages ? |
| 16:03.13 | setuid | Is Stable no longer carried by the main ftp site? |
| 16:03.25 | setuid | nfi|ermes, dpkg -i that-file.deb |
| 16:03.27 | themill | setuid: you're using http on the ftp server |
| 16:03.31 | MajorPayne | ed: It's running in screen, so even if I do get disconnected it should still be ok. It wouldn't stop the upgrade. |
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| 16:03.48 | setuid | themill, Because there is no ftpd running there (fails to connect) |
| 16:03.49 | vivithemage | ktwilight, where do you think it would give me info about it\/ |
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| 16:04.23 | jelly | JarJarBinks: I can confirm that libc6 2.6-2 also breaks valgrind /bin/ls here... worked with the previous 2.5-9something |
| 16:05.14 | ktwilight | vivithemage, *shrugs* try /var/log/messages |
| 16:05.32 | themill | setuid: what's in your sources.list? |
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| 16:06.08 | setuid | themill, its the default sources.list from KNOPPIX 5.1.1 DVD from 2007-01-04, so there's a LOT in here |
| 16:06.20 | guzu | azeem, blinx where are the updates? (sources.list) |
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| 16:06.55 | jelly | setuid: knoppix is not debian. Does "HEAD http://ftp.debian.org/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2" work for you? |
| 16:06.56 | setuid | themill, http://rafb.net/p/tE9zfs78.html |
| 16:07.08 | sebastian | How do i reload the usbdrivers? restar the usbthingy.. cause my usbdevices doesn't seem to work.. |
| 16:07.09 | JarJarBinks | jelly: uhm.. |
| 16:07.12 | JarJarBinks | thanks |
| 16:07.15 | setuid | jelly, I'm remastering KNOPPIX for my LUG, and it actually IS debian |
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| 16:07.31 | JarJarBinks | that is very bad |
| 16:07.39 | setuid | # HEAD http://ftp.debian.org/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 |
| 16:07.39 | setuid | 200 OK |
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| 16:07.46 | azeem | guzu: what updates? |
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| 16:08.01 | guzu | azeem, the updates repository |
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| 16:08.14 | setuid | I'll comment the whole freaking file and uncomment one by one until I figure out which of the mirrors is down/broken |
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| 16:10.34 | azeem | guzu: you mean the security repository? |
| 16:11.09 | setuid | Looks like an upstream problem: http://rafb.net/p/8b9UAe18.html |
| 16:11.09 | guzu | hmm? no, i mean newer versions, i suppose, security includes newer versions of apps? |
| 16:11.17 | guzu | azeem, ^ |
| 16:11.43 | setuid | Fails for Testing and Stable |
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| 16:12.14 | setuid | crap |
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| 16:12.38 | setuid | # HEAD ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 16:12.38 | setuid | 404 Can't chdir to pub |
| 16:13.03 | jelly | don't use ftp:// |
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| 16:13.18 | azeem | setuid: ftp.debian.org is not supposed to be used in sources.list, use a mirror |
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| 16:13.42 | setuid | azeem, I'm starting with the default sources.list shipped with this KNOPPIX DVD, and trying to remaster it. Someone should report that to them ;) |
| 16:14.02 | jelly | setuid: that would probably be you |
| 16:14.04 | azeem | setuid: this channel is about debian, not knoppix |
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| 16:14.15 | setuid | jelly, Yep |
| 16:14.23 | setuid | azeem, Close, but not quite. |
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| 16:14.46 | jelly | setuid: if you have to, you can replace ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/ with http://ftp.debian.org/ |
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| 16:15.02 | setuid | I'll use ftp.us.debian.org for now |
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| 16:21.47 | setuid | Weird |
| 16:21.48 | setuid | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main Sources |
| 16:21.48 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.25 | JarJarBinks | setuid: I've just been downloading from that with 500kbps |
| 16:22.27 | setuid | Silly round-robin dns where both machine differ |
| 16:22.43 | JarJarBinks | ahh |
| 16:23.26 | setuid | Looks like it starts with one IP, then round-robins to the other, which has a different directory structure (out of date mirror?) and then the 404's begin |
| 16:23.38 | setuid | wow, ftp.uk.debian.org has the same issue |
| 16:23.57 | setuid | http://rafb.net/p/1kVGp672.html |
| 16:24.02 | setuid | Must be a major mirror restructuring going on |
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| 16:24.27 | JarJarBinks | I've had nothing but problems today... thought it was just me and this old peace of junk |
| 16:24.32 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i dunno if this is a debian specific problem, http://rafb.net/p/yC07Ds76.html has the details of the error that i get when i try to connect to a mysql server from a clien machine via a perl script. both the server and the client run identical versions of mysql . would appreciate some help. thanx |
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| 16:25.21 | setuid | thelostbutler, That's a horrible way to do that |
| 16:25.37 | setuid | That's not the proper way to use DBI |
| 16:26.03 | JarJarBinks | setuid: that was a first evaluation |
| 16:26.04 | setuid | You should be using: |
| 16:26.16 | setuid | my $dbh = DBI->connect("DBI:mysql:$dbname:$dbhost:$dbport", $dbuser, $dbpass, {RaiseError => 1}); |
| 16:26.20 | setuid | etc. |
| 16:26.22 | thelostbutler | setuid: is that so? i personally don't have an clue because that was the test code given by the developer. |
| 16:26.32 | setuid | Smack the developer |
| 16:26.32 | thelostbutler | and i need to fix the system |
| 16:27.11 | thelostbutler | setuid: so you saying the error is in the code and not the setup as such ? |
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| 16:27.39 | setuid | Well, both... your syntax isn't really elegant, and will cause problems... see the above |
| 16:27.58 | setuid | Set up some scalars to define the params, then reuse them |
| 16:28.07 | setuid | Don't put literals in your prepare statement |
| 16:28.10 | thelostbutler | okay. let me test the way you have written it . thankx . brb |
| 16:28.22 | sniff` | stew xsdg: aptitude got stuck in the middle and stopped |
| 16:28.36 | setuid | And where's your execute? |
| 16:28.48 | sniff` | not its all fooked |
| 16:28.49 | JarJarBinks | able |
| 16:29.07 | sniff` | not - now |
| 16:29.08 | setuid | $sth = $dbh->prepare (qq{... }); $sth->execute(); |
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| 16:30.26 | setuid | JarJarBinks, apt-get install netselect-apt |
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| 16:31.00 | JarJarBinks | setuid: thanks |
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| 16:36.27 | SoulChild | is there a command to find out the processor name ? |
| 16:36.38 | JarJarBinks | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 16:36.48 | SoulChild | JarJarBinks: thanks |
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| 16:37.26 | jhiver | hi, i have a debian box with only one NIC card which has a public IP address, is there any way possible I can add an alias and NAT the aliased private network on the public IP, or do I /have/ to have 2 nics? |
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| 16:38.06 | valdyn | jhiver: where's that private network connected? |
| 16:38.47 | jhiver | well i have a router which has a 16 ip address public range, and it's connected to a switch which is connected to this router |
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| 16:39.09 | thelostbutler | setuid: i made the changes and i get the same error |
| 16:39.12 | jhiver | i'm running out of IPs for some extra machines |
| 16:39.31 | jhiver | so I'd like to use the debian box as a NAT router but it only has one NIC |
| 16:39.42 | setuid | show me |
| 16:39.43 | valdyn | jhiver: you can have alot of virtual interfaces on the same physical nic |
| 16:39.45 | JarJarBinks | jhiver: you just need a new subnet on same nic |
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| 16:39.53 | jhiver | i did that |
| 16:39.54 | valdyn | jhiver: as many as you want. |
| 16:39.59 | setuid | JarJarBinks: No you don't |
| 16:40.01 | jhiver | i added an eth0:0 alias |
| 16:40.09 | setuid | You can have the same subnet, and up to 254 IPs per interface |
| 16:40.10 | jhiver | and assigned a private ip space |
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| 16:40.19 | JarJarBinks | depends on the netmask |
| 16:40.26 | setuid | jhiver, Did you set up the routes between the two? |
| 16:40.31 | setuid | NAT across private to public? |
| 16:40.45 | JarJarBinks | jhiver: however why not add a nic |
| 16:40.51 | themill | setuid: I don't have any of the "pub" directory entries that you have in your sources.list |
| 16:40.53 | valdyn | !ipmasq |
| 16:40.53 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 16:41.01 | keith4 | but he can't let the machines in the private space use dhcp if they're on the same switch as the public IP |
| 16:41.09 | setuid | themill, I'm installing netselect to see what it finds |
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| 16:41.23 | keith4 | so it would much *easier* to add another NIC |
| 16:41.27 | jhiver | i tried to set it up with either firehol and iptables |
| 16:41.27 | jhiver | but it doesn't seem to do it |
| 16:41.27 | keith4 | but not a requirement |
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| 16:41.39 | valdyn | jhiver: it doesnt make a difference if the 2 interfaces are physically different or not. |
| 16:41.52 | setuid | To Linux, they're no different |
| 16:41.58 | jhiver | let me guys show you my iptables script, i'll pastebin it |
| 16:42.15 | JarJarBinks | if the switch know about the network it should be possible |
| 16:42.25 | JarJarBinks | imho |
| 16:42.48 | valdyn | i dont feel like debugging scripts, its all explained at http://www.lartc.org/ or wherever iptables masquerading is explained.. |
| 16:42.55 | jhiver | http://pastebin.ca/623454 |
| 16:43.08 | themill | setuid: ok. IIRC there's a usually difference in the directory layout for ftp and http mirrors... the ftp mirrors have historically used /pub and the http mirrors have not. netselect should sort that out though |
| 16:43.17 | jhiver | valdyn, it would be kind of silly to have TWO nics connected to the same switch! |
| 16:43.27 | setuid | jhiver, Not exactly |
| 16:43.44 | JarJarBinks | jhiver: nope, you could for example bond them |
| 16:43.49 | setuid | jhiver, You can have one for production, and another for a routed "backup" network, where system backups occur |
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| 16:44.28 | JarJarBinks | defining vlans would have same effect ... right |
| 16:44.30 | setuid | If you're going for max redundancy/HA, then yes... cross-wire them to different switches, different PSUs, different PDUs, etc. |
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| 16:47.17 | marinosi | hello..I 've setup a debian repo at home , I make the changes in sources.list to a client but it doesn't work.I suppose I have to add my mirrors keys..How can I do that?And do I have to create some keys at mirror side? |
| 16:47.22 | setuid | Any Plucker users about? |
| 16:47.42 | jhiver | ok, looks like ipmasq did the trick =) |
| 16:47.46 | setuid | marinosi, apt-key yupdate? |
| 16:47.47 | setuid | er, update |
| 16:48.04 | marinosi | setuid: to the mirror server or to the client? |
| 16:48.15 | marinosi | the mirror is not registered |
| 16:48.28 | jhiver | used in conjunction with dsnmasq, which is a nice tool too |
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| 16:48.43 | setuid | jhiver, Or just get a static IP :) |
| 16:49.00 | jhiver | i have 14 already |
| 16:49.09 | jhiver | aah you mean for private |
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| 16:49.10 | jhiver | yes |
| 16:49.13 | jhiver | it's an option |
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| 16:49.53 | jhiver | but then DHCP is kind of sweet =) |
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| 16:50.06 | marinosi | how can I generate keys in server? |
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| 16:50.11 | bipolar | Does anyone know why the 'Top' objectclass is missing from the core.schema file for openldap? |
| 16:50.16 | housa | what is the proper way to load iptables these days? |
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| 16:50.46 | housa | should i modify /etc/network/interfaces and add pre-up script and then have the script in /etc/init.d? |
| 16:50.54 | setuid | jhiver, Why do you need dnsmasq if you have a static address with DHCP behind it? |
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| 16:51.32 | valdyn | setuid: its a combined dns proxy and dhcp server |
| 16:52.15 | setuid | ah, I see... if you don't run your own DNS, gotcha |
| 16:52.18 | keith4 | how big is an full deb repo? |
| 16:52.18 | setuid | I run all of my own services... |
| 16:52.20 | valdyn | mm and a 'small' dns server too |
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| 16:52.27 | setuid | keith4, 10gb or so, if you include pool |
| 16:52.37 | keith4 | hmmm |
| 16:52.52 | keith4 | so that's not much worse than having an apt-cacher |
| 16:53.16 | keith4 | ...although the apt cacher works for ubuntu, too |
| 16:53.18 | setuid | keith4, Depends... I use squid here to cache my apt fetches, but a local repo is *MUCH* better than a cacher |
| 16:53.35 | keith4 | and it would be stupid to have a deb repo and an ubuntu repo |
| 16:53.39 | setuid | You can control the package versions on the local machines better if you use a local repo |
| 16:53.46 | setuid | No, it wouldn't be stupid to have two |
| 16:53.47 | valdyn | having a full debian repo is stupid |
| 16:53.51 | setuid | Its actually quite smart |
| 16:54.07 | setuid | A full repo, sure... you only need what is relevant to your environment |
| 16:54.10 | keith4 | setuid: space-wise, not the best idea to have deb and ubuntu |
| 16:54.23 | setuid | keith4, Space is cheap, broken/down machines, not so much |
| 16:54.36 | keith4 | true |
| 16:54.48 | setuid | Here's a scenario: |
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| 16:55.01 | setuid | Your clients all update at 8am on Monday morning, from the upstream repo. |
| 16:55.04 | eth01 | how do I restart apache2? |
| 16:55.18 | keith4 | /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 16:55.29 | setuid | At 9am, everyone installs Package-foo.deb, they all get the same version. |
| 16:55.37 | eth01 | i used apt-get install apache2, that's right? |
| 16:55.41 | marinosi | Now i have a debian repo , how can I make some keys to add them to my client?it refuses to update without keys |
| 16:55.43 | setuid | At 9:30am, the upstream repo does a sync, and gets new packages. |
| 16:55.55 | keith4 | ok |
| 16:55.56 | setuid | at 10am, user 23 does an apt-get update and upgrades his packages. |
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| 16:56.05 | keith4 | boo user 23 |
| 16:56.05 | setuid | at 10:15, he calls you because things are broken. |
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| 16:56.26 | setuid | If you have a local repo, which syncs to the upstream master, you can control this situation a lot better |
| 16:56.27 | keith4 | and i tell him he should be using etch anyway ;-) |
| 16:56.34 | keith4 | but that is a good point |
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| 16:56.51 | setuid | From a consistency standapoint, it makes more sense |
| 16:57.04 | setuid | It also allows you to replace upstream packages with your own custom versions |
| 16:57.16 | setuid | i.e. override |
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| 16:57.53 | MangosDebian | setuid: i agree, private repos are nice |
| 16:58.06 | setuid | Not necessarily "private", just local. |
| 16:58.14 | setuid | But you can make it private, of course |
| 16:58.14 | MangosDebian | thats what i meant sorry |
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| 16:58.43 | setuid | And the more distributed mirrors, the better for all users of Debian anyway |
| 16:58.43 | MangosDebian | what happens when your network is down and you wanna install something? shuck if you aint got a repos :) |
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| 16:58.49 | setuid | And less load on the master mirrors and repos |
| 16:58.53 | MangosDebian | or standalone machine with no net access etc |
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| 16:59.01 | setuid | I mirror CPAN locally for the same exact reasons |
| 16:59.10 | MangosDebian | how big is cpan? |
| 16:59.15 | MangosDebian | might just add that |
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| 16:59.29 | MangosDebian | i got 60gig per month to waste so.... :) |
| 16:59.30 | setuid | just a sec. |
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| 16:59.45 | setuid | [155] sixtyfour:/usr/local/array/Mirrors/CPAN |
| 16:59.46 | MangosDebian | and enough dvd's to backup the internet :p |
| 16:59.46 | setuid | # du -sch |
| 16:59.46 | setuid | 802M . |
| 16:59.46 | setuid | 802M total |
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| 16:59.56 | MangosDebian | bah thats peanuts |
| 17:00.08 | setuid | I use a perl script that only keeps the latest versions, no need to have older versions in the local repo |
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| 17:00.10 | MangosDebian | my etch repos are like 24gig |
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| 17:00.24 | setuid | /dev/da0.eli 917G 682G 235G 74% /usr/local/array |
| 17:00.28 | setuid | I'm running low on space |
| 17:00.32 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 17:00.39 | setuid | Only 235G left |
| 17:00.52 | setuid | I might pick up another Tb today, we'll see |
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| 17:01.17 | MangosDebian | hard to fill drives these day |
| 17:01.24 | setuid | I mirror CPAN, Gutenberg, LDP, Wikimedia, PHP, FreeBSD, etc. |
| 17:01.32 | MangosDebian | ...with legal material for those about to flame me |
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| 17:01.54 | MangosDebian | gutenberg? |
| 17:02.04 | setuid | .org |
| 17:02.47 | MangosDebian | cool, free ebooks? |
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| 17:03.40 | setuid | Basically |
| 17:03.43 | setuid | I convert them to Plucker |
| 17:03.47 | setuid | http://projects.plkr.org/ |
| 17:03.51 | setuid | Check out some of my works |
| 17:04.10 | chops | setuid: Oh, yeah? |
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| 17:04.16 | setuid | chops, yes |
| 17:04.21 | chops | setuid: /dev/evms/p4_depot 985G 519G 427G 55% /opt/perforce/depot |
| 17:04.27 | chops | setuid: So there :-P |
| 17:04.36 | setuid | aw |
| 17:04.48 | chops | setuid: I would add the other 500G of free space, but EVMS doesn't know that ext3 filesystems can be resized online :-( |
| 17:04.55 | setuid | GELI takes some of my space and overhead though |
| 17:04.58 | HardDisk_WP | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.00 | HardDisk_WP | ??? |
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| 17:05.07 | setuid | chops, Mine is all UFS |
| 17:05.16 | MangosDebian | chops: lol |
| 17:05.18 | chops | setuid: Does it make me an irresponsible sysadmin that I would consider doing that just to settle an IRC dicksize contest? :-) |
| 17:05.45 | setuid | chops, Nope, now get in your convertible red sports car and peel out of here, would you? :) |
| 17:05.50 | chops | setuid: :-) |
| 17:05.51 | spheard | hey, does anyone want to give one of my debian virtual server some real grief |
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| 17:05.58 | MangosDebian | oh god, here we go.... |
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| 17:06.11 | setuid | spheard, bonnie++ |
| 17:06.13 | spheard | I want to see if they are hardy beasts |
| 17:06.30 | MangosDebian | spheard: install vista in a vmware :) |
| 17:06.52 | MangosDebian | I think i won that one setuid |
| 17:06.53 | spheard | setuid: bonnie++ ??? |
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| 17:07.25 | spheard | ah, benchmark |
| 17:07.42 | MangosDebian | spheard: what did you mean? network attack? |
| 17:07.45 | setuid | It'll slam the machines |
| 17:07.52 | spheard | MangosDebian: anything |
| 17:08.04 | spheard | Just want to make sure they are good |
| 17:08.12 | spheard | before I start charging for them |
| 17:08.12 | MangosDebian | spheard: heh, just drop your firewall and wait a few hours. bound to get some visitors |
| 17:08.28 | spheard | MangosDebian: there is no firewall :-) |
| 17:08.29 | setuid | spheard, Charging for virtual machines?! |
| 17:08.38 | h3sp4wn | spheard: try - perl -e "fork while fork" & |
| 17:08.44 | spheard | setuid: yeah |
| 17:08.49 | setuid | vps? |
| 17:08.53 | MangosDebian | h3sp4wn: good call :) |
| 17:08.57 | spheard | setuid: yes |
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| 17:09.04 | spheard | on sparc |
| 17:09.05 | setuid | ah, me too... :) |
| 17:09.12 | setuid | Well, I'm on x86_64 though |
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| 17:09.18 | MangosDebian | spheard: :(){ :|:& };: in bash shell good too |
| 17:09.21 | nextstate2 | anybody have trouble with mcrypt hanging? |
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| 17:09.41 | setuid | LDAP auth across 40 separate Linux/BSD virtual instances, NFS mounted $HOME, locked down chroots for ssh, cvs/svn, etc. |
| 17:09.42 | setuid | Fun stuff |
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| 17:10.05 | MangosDebian | setuid: selinux or grsec? |
| 17:10.18 | setuid | I run every Linux distro here + every BSD distro, for testing/development for developers |
| 17:10.21 | setuid | MangosDebian, neither |
| 17:10.26 | MangosDebian | :/ |
| 17:10.29 | setuid | MangosDebian, its not portable enough to work across every distro |
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| 17:10.55 | spheard | setuid: so other than some login bombs........ |
| 17:10.57 | MangosDebian | setuid: grsec is probably easier, less lib's and tools requirements |
| 17:11.08 | aadil | bastille too |
| 17:11.08 | spheard | logic bombs.................. |
| 17:11.10 | jmesquita | Hello guys. Do any of you know how to mess with exim? |
| 17:11.10 | setuid | MangosDebian, requires kernel patches to be backported |
| 17:11.10 | MangosDebian | selinux is a whole other story though |
| 17:11.21 | spheard | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.24 | chops | !tell jmesquita about anyone |
| 17:11.25 | h3sp4wn | spheard:If its setup properly then they should not work (look at /etc/security/limits.conf etc) |
| 17:11.38 | MangosDebian | setuid: well, if your running bleeding edge I suppose since they are usually a few ver's behind |
| 17:11.40 | spheard | h3sp4wn: cheers, Ill take a look |
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| 17:11.42 | eth01 | 2.6.18-4-686 -- latest kernal right? |
| 17:11.48 | jmesquita | chops, sorry |
| 17:12.08 | setuid | MangosDebian, Think RH3, FC4, FC7, bleeding edge and geriatric |
| 17:12.11 | jmesquita | spheard, I was looking at checking the a message header when processing it on a router |
| 17:12.16 | setuid | My developers need to be able to test in both environments |
| 17:12.23 | jmesquita | spheard, def: only checks if the header exists |
| 17:12.41 | jmesquita | spheard, I wanted to look to what the header was set to |
| 17:12.51 | setuid | 1026 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1007 not upgraded. |
| 17:12.51 | setuid | Need to get 1654MB of archives. |
| 17:12.51 | setuid | After unpacking 180MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 17:12.52 | MangosDebian | setuid: well, I suppose for test servers you wouldnt want either anyways. More of a select few key server patch to me |
| 17:12.52 | setuid | owch |
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| 17:13.09 | setuid | MangosDebian, I'll look into it as I add new vms |
| 17:13.11 | jmesquita | spheard, X-DSPAM-Result: Innocet (no match) X-DSPAM-Result: Spam (match!) |
| 17:13.51 | jmesquita | spheard, Any ideas? |
| 17:13.58 | setuid | jmesquita, /join #dspam |
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| 17:14.33 | jmesquita | setuid, thanks |
| 17:14.33 | spheard | jmesquita: so you want to test if its been labeled as spam? |
| 17:14.40 | jmesquita | spheard, Yes |
| 17:14.48 | spheard | aha, I have a link for that :-) |
| 17:15.04 | jmesquita | spheard, Uhu!!! |
| 17:15.09 | jmesquita | spheard, Thanks! |
| 17:16.27 | spheard | jmesquita are you planning to use the .forward file? |
| 17:16.37 | spheard | http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/csg/faqs/email/spam/ |
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| 17:17.04 | jmesquita | spheard, No, global router |
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| 17:18.02 | spheard | ah, then thats the wrong link maybe |
| 17:18.07 | spheard | sorry |
| 17:18.16 | ricky | setuid: FC4, eww- that doesn't even get security updates, etc. anymore. |
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| 17:18.35 | jmesquita | spheard, Yeah, thats not what I want |
| 17:18.38 | setuid | ricky, Right, but users are running it, which means developers need to be able to test builds against it, when users report issues. |
| 17:18.39 | jmesquita | spheard, Thanks anyway! |
| 17:18.54 | ricky | Stupid users :-o |
| 17:19.19 | ricky | Er, >:o |
| 17:19.19 | et | how do you restart inetd? |
| 17:19.30 | tarzeau | et: /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart ? |
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| 17:22.18 | mrzoom | I'm runing testing on a amd64 and i think i have installed libc6 in the wrong order or something... If i now make an dist-upgrade it says: libc6-i386: Depends: libc6 (= 2.5-9) but 2.6-2 is installed. - it tells me to try an apt-get -f install and that gives me some error that it is trying to overwrite "/usr/lib32" that also is in lib32z1 - or something like that.. my system is i swedish so i don't know if an output will help you. |
| 17:22.21 | et | tarzeau: didn't expect it to start with o, sorry ;) |
| 17:22.33 | tarzeau | et: neither did i, and i think it's not really good this way |
| 17:22.45 | spheard | h3sp4wn: http://rafb.net/p/EnxBZi91.html |
| 17:23.00 | tarzeau | et: next, it'll be openssh restart too, instead of ssh |
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| 17:23.41 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: ya, seems like it should be the $PROVIDES value of the package |
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| 17:24.46 | MangosDebian | well, even thats not right hehe nm, inetd what I meant |
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| 17:25.32 | chops | mrzoom: That /usr/lib32 stuff doesn't sound like Debian to me; I could be wrong. Is Debian switching to biarch now? |
| 17:25.48 | h3sp4wn | spheard: looks safe then (or the administrator of the main server made it so) |
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| 17:27.03 | xlotlu | what package is xv in? |
| 17:27.23 | setuid | xlotlu, apt-file search bin/xv |
| 17:27.23 | hark | /msg dpkg search |
| 17:27.26 | chops | !info libc6-i386 |
| 17:27.36 | hark | !dbugs 433337 |
| 17:27.39 | dpkg | #433337:I[lib32z1] libc6-i386 conflicts with lib32z1; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:12:11 UTC |
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| 17:30.29 | themill | those who participate in the open and free software communities are invited to fill in a survey by Exeter Uni psychologists who are trying to work out what makes FOSS tick.... http://psy.ex.ac.uk/~ar216/survey/index.php?sid=11 |
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| 17:31.14 | spheard | h3sp4wn: administrator being me :-) |
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| 17:32.07 | h3sp4wn | spheard: I thought (probably incorrectly) you said it was a vps |
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| 17:32.41 | h3sp4wn | either way its fine |
| 17:32.53 | NelsonM | is there some spam filter for debian better than spamassassin+pyzor+razor+sa_bayes? The stock spam is getting through. |
| 17:33.20 | spheard | h3sp4wn: it is, Im working towards offering vps hosting |
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| 17:33.44 | h3sp4wn | spheard: ah ok |
| 17:34.12 | mrzoom | chops: hmm.. ok, can i read some more about it somewhere? |
| 17:34.28 | spheard | h3sp4wn: cheers |
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| 17:35.46 | NelsonM | ah well, at least I have a hot stock tip every 30 minutes |
| 17:36.48 | themill | NelsonM: dcc added to that helps too |
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| 17:37.09 | l_r | hello |
| 17:37.17 | NelsonM | dcc is another distributed thing like pyzor/razor? |
| 17:37.55 | themill | NelsonM: yes, but it doesn't classify just looks at how many copies of an email are being sent around. (I think) |
| 17:37.55 | l_r | i am trying to make a deb from some source code. is there a tool to determine the "Build-Depends:" flag in debian/control file? |
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| 17:38.42 | andreou | greets |
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| 17:39.07 | andreou | on 4.0r0 aptitude fails to update the font cache when adding or removing ttf-opensymbol, thus perpetually leaving it on schedule. any ideas on how to fix this? |
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| 17:40.30 | pickcoder | is there any voodoo involved with getting swf-player to actually work in iceweasel? |
| 17:40.47 | pickcoder | the plugin is being loaded, but no content can be viewed |
| 17:41.00 | setuid | pickcoder, about:plugins shows it? |
| 17:41.23 | pickcoder | yes |
| 17:41.37 | pickcoder | actually.. now I'm getting the |
| 17:41.42 | pickcoder | missing plugin error |
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| 17:41.46 | pickcoder | even tho it's installed |
| 17:41.54 | NelsonM | to install dcc, you do 'aptitude install dcc-client'. it actually installs dcc-server, but that seems harmless |
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| 17:42.49 | pickcoder | reinstalling |
| 17:43.11 | Pc_Dark | where are kde printer drivers at |
| 17:43.14 | Pc_Dark | I need to install some... |
| 17:43.15 | setuid | Err ftp://ftp.us.debian.org stable/main libkdepim1a 4:3.5.5.dfsg.1-6 |
| 17:43.16 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.17 | setuid | hrm |
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| 17:43.48 | chops | setuid: Use http? |
| 17:44.00 | setuid | I suppose that's an option |
| 17:44.10 | guzu | how do i find out what kernels i have installed on my system? (console only) |
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| 17:44.13 | chops | l_r: apt-get build-dep packagename |
| 17:44.21 | pickcoder | actually.. there are 3 plugins |
| 17:44.23 | chops | guzu: ls -l /boot/vmlinuz* |
| 17:44.24 | pickcoder | for swf |
| 17:44.37 | guzu | chops, :) nice, but using apt* ? |
| 17:44.51 | chops | guzu: dpkg -l 'linux-image*' | grep ^ii |
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| 17:45.01 | guzu | chops, great, thnx a lot |
| 17:45.04 | chops | guzu: np |
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| 17:45.43 | test | can anyone recommend on a jabber server that supports kerberos or pam |
| 17:46.39 | setuid | chops, Apparently http doesn't work with the primary mirrors |
| 17:46.57 | setuid | or, more specifically, apt-get doesn't properly follow 301 redirects |
| 17:46.58 | setuid | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org stable/main Packages |
| 17:46.58 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.37 | l_r | chops, i do not understand you |
| 17:47.42 | chops | setuid: I've not had a problem with it -- perhaps change to http.us.debian.org? |
| 17:47.50 | setuid | Yep, that's what I did |
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| 17:48.09 | l_r | chops, i have a source code and i need to know the dependencies with other debs to make a working deb |
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| 17:48.53 | chops | l_r: If you want to build a package from source, and you want to install the build dependencies, you should run the command "apt-get build-dep packagename", where "packagename" is the name of the package you're building. That command will install any build dependencies that are not already installed. |
| 17:48.58 | solitude | l_r, just compile from source and do it all manually? or are you specifically trying to make a deb? |
| 17:49.16 | l_r | al |
| 17:49.20 | tarzeau | chops: and what about build-conflicts packages, will the be removed too? |
| 17:49.25 | chops | setuid: You changed to "http://ftp.us.debian.org". I'm suggesting "http://http.us.debian.org". |
| 17:49.27 | bkw | Is it possible to restrict access to vsftpd and tftpd by using /etc/hosts.allow? |
| 17:49.29 | l_r | i am trying to make a deb from source code |
| 17:49.38 | setuid | chops, Right, I changed it to http://http.us.[...] |
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| 17:49.47 | tarzeau | l_r: which sourcecode? |
| 17:49.52 | l_r | mine |
| 17:49.57 | tarzeau | l_r: what is it? |
| 17:49.58 | chops | l_r: Oh, from source code that is not in a deb? That is a nontrivial operation. See the Debian developer docs. |
| 17:50.06 | tarzeau | chops: not really |
| 17:50.09 | l_r | tarzeau, a driver |
| 17:50.22 | tarzeau | l_r: oh that's maybe really not a simple one |
| 17:50.28 | l_r | chops, ok, thanks |
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| 17:50.52 | l_r | i'll try to guess some minimal deps |
| 17:51.25 | guzu | is there an repository for updates? (not security) etch |
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| 17:52.52 | guzu | i suppose no |
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| 17:56.46 | valdyn | guzu: what do you want to update? |
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| 17:58.17 | guzu | valdyn, kernel, xfce, or whatever was updated :) |
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| 17:58.54 | valdyn | guzu: if you only want to update for updatings sake - i cant help you |
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| 17:59.34 | guzu | i've installed debian yesterday and today the only updates i see is linux-image and openoffice+one python* wich were kept back |
| 18:00.07 | tarzeau | guzu: stable doesn't get many updates |
| 18:00.13 | tarzeau | guzu: just security ones, usually |
| 18:00.21 | guzu | valdyn, i was hoping that i could make the system faster (or even disable dma at boot time :)) |
| 18:00.23 | Pc_Dark | how do I open an RPM |
| 18:00.23 | valdyn | guzu: are you one of those people who just want to upgrade because it 'feels good' ? |
| 18:00.35 | tarzeau | Pc_Dark: with rpm, or mc can view/browse the inside of it |
| 18:00.41 | tarzeau | Pc_Dark: which rpm? |
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| 18:00.52 | valdyn | guzu: disable dma? why? |
| 18:01.00 | guzu | hardware is broken |
| 18:01.11 | valdyn | guzu: so disable it. |
| 18:01.23 | guzu | ide controller probably (since it slows down both hdd and cd-drive) |
| 18:01.24 | Pc_Dark | its a PCL printer driver |
| 18:01.25 | valdyn | guzu: most bioses can disable dma |
| 18:01.30 | st0rmy | Pc_Dark: You can convert an RPM to a DEB with alien, if you wanted to install it. |
| 18:01.32 | guzu | valdyn, at boot time i can not |
| 18:01.40 | guzu | valdyn, mine can't |
| 18:01.44 | Pc_Dark | Um |
| 18:01.45 | Pc_Dark | Wait |
| 18:01.52 | Pc_Dark | does anyone know a debian compatable PCL6 driver |
| 18:01.59 | valdyn | guzu: somehow i dont think you know what yo uare talking about |
| 18:02.00 | TbbW | amyone know what handles cut/copy/paste in debian etch in gnome ? |
| 18:02.05 | tarzeau | Pc_Dark: just take the ppd out of it? |
| 18:02.09 | setuid | Pc_Dark, cupsys-bsd |
| 18:02.10 | guzu | valdyn, really |
| 18:02.15 | valdyn | guzu: but hdparm is in debian and can change dma settings |
| 18:02.16 | guzu | valdyn, why |
| 18:02.26 | jelly | setuid: er, cupsys-bsd is just the lpr-like wrappers |
| 18:02.27 | TbbW | coz a friend of mine has an global bug when he pastes in openoffice,thunderbird,gedit and alot of other text editors |
| 18:02.35 | guzu | valdyn, yes, but that's _after_ the system starts |
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| 18:02.51 | valdyn | guzu: and that is a problem why? |
| 18:03.04 | st0rmy | #who rev3 |
| 18:03.04 | Pc_Dark | that's already installed setuid |
| 18:03.05 | guzu | valdyn, because itslows down start time |
| 18:03.06 | jelly | Pc_Dark: I think a generic PCL6 driver already comes with cups |
| 18:03.16 | valdyn | guzu: dma doesnt slow down start time |
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| 18:03.20 | Pc_Dark | Well, I don't see it in my KDE print setup thing |
| 18:03.30 | Pc_Dark | where would it be isntalled Jelly? |
| 18:03.31 | guzu | valdyn, unless is broken of course |
| 18:04.03 | Azar | good morning honorables :) thank you tarzeau |
| 18:04.14 | jelly | Pc_Dark: which printer do you actually have? |
| 18:04.15 | Pc_Dark | where would the installed PCL6 driver be |
| 18:04.19 | Pc_Dark | Dell 1700n laser |
| 18:04.43 | jelly | Pc_Dark: I use testing, and it's in foomatic-filters-ppds: /usr/share/ppd/foomatic-rip/linuxprinting.org-gs-builtin/Generic/Generic-PCL_6_PCL_XL_Printer-pxlmono.ppd.gz |
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| 18:05.18 | tarzeau | Azar: it's like 8 pm here :) good evening |
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| 18:05.33 | Azar | hehe, I got my first iso burned thanks to you |
| 18:05.59 | sinizzl | hi. can anyone tell me how i can use cups' web-based configuration tool from another computer than localhost? apparently it blocks all connections from other machines than its own |
| 18:06.18 | valdyn | sinizzl: edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
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| 18:06.29 | SoulChild | how do i clear old log files ? |
| 18:06.33 | valdyn | sinizzl: access control is setup in that file |
| 18:06.47 | valdyn | SoulChild: 'man rm' |
| 18:07.31 | Pc_Dark | jelly |
| 18:07.33 | jelly | valdyn: I suppose ssh tunneling -L 10631:localhost:631, then accessing http://localhost:10631/ on the remote machine could work too |
| 18:07.39 | Pc_Dark | Would it be possible for you to give me the PPD |
| 18:07.40 | SoulChild | valdyn: so i have to delte it manually ??? rm /var/log/boot1.gz for example ??? |
| 18:07.41 | Pc_Dark | becauseI don't have it |
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| 18:07.52 | Pc_Dark | -_- |
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| 18:07.56 | Pc_Dark | jelly |
| 18:08.00 | Pc_Dark | could you upload that PPD |
| 18:08.00 | jelly | Pc_Dark: install that pacakge |
| 18:08.04 | Pc_Dark | link? |
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| 18:08.07 | valdyn | jelly: sure.. |
| 18:08.15 | guzu | SoulChild, or use cron |
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| 18:08.44 | Pc_Dark | jelly: Where is this package |
| 18:08.50 | SoulChild | guzu: u mean set up a cronjob that deltetes them all 2 weeks for example ? |
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| 18:09.10 | jelly | !tell Pc_Dark -about search |
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| 18:09.22 | valdyn | SoulChild: they are gzipped regularily and should take about no space compared to the reset of your system |
| 18:09.44 | jmesquita | How do I make sed really substitute the text on the file being inputed? |
| 18:09.53 | tarzeau | jmesquita: -i ? |
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| 18:10.12 | valdyn | SoulChild: feel free to change the logrotate configuration though |
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| 18:11.19 | chops | SoulChild: logrotate will delete old log files, as well as gzipping any that aren't the very newest. It's not something you need to worry about unless you want to. |
| 18:11.38 | SoulChild | chops: okay thanks |
| 18:11.46 | jmesquita | tarzeau, thanks and sorry for the stupid question |
| 18:12.03 | SoulChild | What does this error in xorg means, could it be the reason compiz doesn#t work for me: (II) I810(0): [drm] drmSetBusid failed (9, pci:0000:00:02.0), Permission denied |
| 18:12.03 | SoulChild | (EE) I810(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI. |
| 18:12.09 | tarzeau | jmesquita: that wasn't a stupid question at all |
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| 18:12.29 | guzu | :) |
| 18:12.42 | valdyn | !drxx SoulChild |
| 18:12.42 | dpkg | SoulChild: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 18:12.45 | sinizzl | what do i have to edit exactly to get cups web based config tool working on other machines? |
| 18:12.54 | tarzeau | jmesquita: very specific short questions that are answerable with alike are welcome i think |
| 18:13.00 | Maerz | i need fast and simple the cmd to let the user press the any key in bash :) |
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| 18:14.13 | SoulChild | How do i find out the pci adresse of my graphics card ? using lspci gives me: 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
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| 18:14.22 | valdyn | SoulChild: you dont need it |
| 18:14.29 | SoulChild | valdyn: to configure x ? |
| 18:14.40 | valdyn | SoulChild: right, you dont need it |
| 18:14.50 | SoulChild | valdyn: so dpkg-reconfigure is enought ? |
| 18:16.22 | Pc_Dark | Now it's saying can't connect to network printer...authentication failed |
| 18:16.32 | Pc_Dark | When I put in my windows username and password that works |
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| 18:17.46 | guzu | Pc_Dark, 'network printer' is samba/cifs shared printer connected to win machine ? |
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| 18:19.51 | moprilo | hi there, I have a problem that when ever i use apt-get .. it consumes all my bandwidth, can I restrict the bandwidth usage for this? |
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| 18:20.37 | abrotman | !info trickle etch |
| 18:20.42 | dpkg | trickle: (user-space bandwidth shaper), section net, is optional. Version: 1.07-4 (etch), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
| 18:20.45 | BusMaster | my laptop won't boot unless i pass noapic at boot. i want to know the consequences of booting with noapic |
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| 18:20.58 | karsten | moprilo: In general, any one network operation will use available bandwidth if it can. |
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| 18:21.12 | jelly | moprilo: you can use trickle, what dpkg just wrote about |
| 18:21.21 | moprilo | ok .. thanks ! |
| 18:21.22 | maxamillion | BusMaster: well, you won't have acpi support loaded .... maybe i am missing the jist of the question |
| 18:21.23 | moprilo | i-ll try it |
| 18:21.25 | karsten | moprilo: You can shape traffic if you want, it's generally more pain than it's worth, though see what abrotman suggested. |
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| 18:21.50 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 18:21.57 | jelly | "wondershaper" works really well for me on a DSL link |
| 18:21.58 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 18:22.05 | guzu | maxamillion, apic != acpi |
| 18:22.08 | bdheeman | karsten: and that's default policy, others will also get a share as and when reuired |
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| 18:22.19 | streuner | CPU 68 C., temp3 86 C. and now 30 C. - there must be something wrong :-) |
| 18:22.23 | BusMaster | maxamillion, i just installed sarge on my laptop. It hangs at random points. A websearch suggested tryingto boot with noapic. I did that and now the laptop boots. I want to know what will break due to passing noapic to the kernel |
| 18:22.40 | Kjikaqawej | kwe kwe, Pjila'si |
| 18:22.42 | karsten | bdheeman: ?? |
| 18:22.45 | BusMaster | maxamillion, i tried noapic. Not noacpi |
| 18:22.56 | abrotman | bdheeman: sure .. but not everyone is okay with that |
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| 18:23.03 | streuner | Kjikaqawej: please translate :-) |
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| 18:23.17 | Kjikaqawej | hello, and welcome, come in and sit down |
| 18:23.27 | streuner | hehe :-) |
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| 18:24.10 | bdheeman | i have tested it by running another download from another app where apt-get dist-upgrade was running |
| 18:24.32 | anapivirtua_ | Good evening / Bonsoir / Mooh. |
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| 18:24.55 | jmesquita | tarzeau, Thanks! Glad some of you still think that way |
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| 18:26.15 | abrotman | bdheeman: that's nice .. but not everyone thinks that apt-get should have an equal share |
| 18:27.25 | Kjikaqawej | woops, amphi got k-lined by accident i think... |
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| 18:28.20 | bdheeman | ok, we may cab use some traffic/bandwidth manager |
| 18:28.47 | roxy_ | my gf on the same lan can go to java.sun.com without problem. I am having a lot of trouble going there: timeout on server. I can go on a lot of other site. Where can be the problem ? |
| 18:29.05 | kupesoft | How can I check information about whether fsck will run for a disk? |
| 18:29.12 | valdyn | roxy_: dsl? |
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| 18:29.41 | roxy_ | valdyn: for me yes adsl, my gf is using wifi. Both from the same router. |
| 18:29.56 | bdheeman | kupesoft: with the help of dirty flag |
| 18:30.26 | stew | anyone know an easy way I can take a maildir full of mail and redeliver to a different smtp server? |
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| 18:30.49 | valdyn | !clampmss |
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| 18:31.08 | valdyn | !listkeys clamp |
| 18:31.09 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'clamp' by key returned no results. |
| 18:31.29 | roxy_ | valdyn: I don't know if it's related. I got 3 pop mail. I can reach 1 of them but not the other 2 atm. |
| 18:31.54 | SoulChild | please someone has to help me with compiz ,... it worked fine but now i have no effetcs nor window decorations when starting compiz |
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| 18:32.46 | kupesoft | bdheeman: ? |
| 18:33.32 | bdheeman | kupesoft: man fsck |
| 18:33.41 | valdyn | roxy_: i would try shrinking the MTU |
| 18:34.01 | valdyn | roxy_: no way to know the real error though - that's just a guess |
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| 18:35.42 | sLacKjr_ | hi people, i looking for help to join samba on win2003, clock and kerberos are ok, but when i type: net ads join -U user i got this error: utils/net_ads.c:ads_startup(289) ads_connect: Operations error |
| 18:36.34 | roxy_ | valdyn: thanks |
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| 18:40.20 | blubberdiblub | !proxy |
| 18:40.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, proxy is This is commonly a form of Internet security. You can use a proxy or proxy server to pass data between your internal network and the Internet. A machine on your network sends a request to the proxy. The proxy sends the request to a server on the Internet. Thus, it stands in for the computer on your network. The server on the Internet never knows that the request is coming from anywhere but the proxy. Thus 100 machines on your ... |
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| 18:43.21 | Roey | hi |
| 18:43.29 | Roey | stew, abrotman: hey guys |
| 18:43.30 | blubberdiblub | can you recommend a light caching non-filtering non-anonymizing http+ftp proxy? i.e. not squid, polipo (fails to work properly with streaming), oops (configuration hell), etc. |
| 18:43.51 | Roey | I'm trying to install a few packages in a VServer instance and I'm getting this error... is it familiar? http://rafb.net/p/Zl5QgM89.html |
| 18:43.56 | valdyn | what's wrong with squid? |
| 18:44.01 | Roey | hey valdyn |
| 18:44.01 | Azar | hehehe funny news |
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| 18:44.14 | blubberdiblub | it's not exactly light, right ;) i mean resource-wise |
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| 18:45.02 | bdheeman | the best light thing is don't run either |
| 18:45.42 | blubberdiblub | sure, but i wish to have one :) |
| 18:45.55 | valdyn | its as light as you configure it to be |
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| 18:46.08 | bdheeman | caching and, or serving http/ftp will always be resource hungry |
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| 18:47.10 | blubberdiblub | bdheeman: not necessarily. polipo or oops would both be sufficiently light for my requirements, but they fail in other essential regards :/ |
| 18:48.01 | bdheeman | but squid has around 110 parameters/config directives you can file tune it |
| 18:48.12 | blubberdiblub | valdyn: ah well, lacking alternatives, seems i'm going for squid then ;) |
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| 18:49.35 | bdheeman | blubberdiblub: squid is the best, you may put off what's not required for you app |
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| 18:50.07 | valdyn | squid-cache.org even is a slick site !!! |
| 18:50.18 | trader_poon | hey guys...is it possible in gedit for me to add a tab to selected lines? |
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| 18:50.29 | valdyn | god, and there's squid T-Shirts |
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| 18:50.47 | valdyn | no doubt, squid > * |
| 18:50.54 | mancubus1 | Does anyone configure X11Forwarding? I can't forward X11 from one PC =((( |
| 18:51.02 | valdyn | !sshx |
| 18:51.02 | dpkg | from memory, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 18:51.19 | blubberdiblub | well, call me persuaded then ^_^ |
| 18:51.40 | mancubus1 | valdyn, i have done it. |
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| 18:52.12 | valdyn | mancubus1: do it again to see what you did wrong |
| 18:52.19 | Roey | valdyn: by any chance, have you seen this kind of error: http://rafb.net/p/Zl5QgM89.html |
| 18:52.24 | mancubus1 | valdyn, nice turn ... =) |
| 18:52.35 | TeReL50 | I accidently erased the /etc/xdg/menu directory. could someone pls send me this directory? |
| 18:53.03 | Roey | The upgrade process complains that I have old hardware, too old for GCC. What the hell? |
| 18:53.09 | Roey | Could it be caused by VServer somehow?? |
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| 18:54.05 | valdyn | Roey: well, i knew that debian does not support real 386 cpus, i know nothing about vserver though |
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| 18:54.30 | Roey | it's not 386 |
| 18:54.35 | Roey | valdyn: it's a vserver instance |
| 18:54.42 | valdyn | Roey: yea i know |
| 18:54.42 | Roey | running on xeon hardware |
| 18:54.44 | Roey | ah ok |
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| 18:54.56 | Roey | I asked in irc://irc.oftc.net/#vserver as well |
| 18:54.58 | sniff` | --=(PonchA)=-- Friend Listed (n=poncha@unaffiliated/poncha) |
| 18:55.00 | Roey | waiting for their response. |
| 18:55.03 | valdyn | Roey: that install script probably just reads /proc/cpuinfo |
| 18:55.07 | sniff` | omg poncha? |
| 18:55.07 | Roey | ok |
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| 18:55.35 | Roey | Valdyn, but /proc/cpu gives model name: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz |
| 18:55.56 | valdyn | Roey: inside that instance? |
| 18:56.41 | valdyn | Roey: i will look at the preinst script |
| 18:56.46 | abrotman | hi Ro |
| 18:56.47 | abrotman | ey |
| 18:56.58 | SoulChild | I don't have sound when i plug in headphones into my notebook audio jack,... sound mutes but nothing to hear,... on windows it works ,... any ideas owuld be great |
| 18:57.13 | valdyn | Roey: it does uname -m |
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| 18:58.05 | Roey | hmm |
| 18:58.07 | Roey | one sec, then |
| 18:58.08 | valdyn | Roey: uname -m gives me i686 |
| 18:58.23 | valdyn | Roey: its i386 on your vserver instance |
| 18:58.24 | Roey | ahhh |
| 18:58.27 | Roey | valdyn: yes |
| 18:58.30 | Roey | yes it is i386 |
| 18:58.41 | mancubus1 | valdyn, I installed and configured all what i need. But I still have error "Error: Can't open display:" |
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| 18:59.24 | Roey | valdyn: I'm telling this to the vserver folks |
| 19:00.01 | TeReL50 | I accidently erased the /etc/xdg/menu directory. could someone PLEASE send me this directory? |
| 19:00.36 | Roey | valdyn: how could I trick the install script? |
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| 19:01.12 | valdyn | Roey: create a fake uname program |
| 19:01.35 | Roey | i686 > /etc/vservers/<guest>/uts/machine |
| 19:01.43 | valdyn | Roey: uh |
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| 19:01.51 | valdyn | Roey: sure, i know nothing about vserver.. |
| 19:01.54 | Roey | valdyn: that's the first thing that crossed my mind; to do that, but then the #vserver folks suggested this |
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| 19:03.24 | valdyn | !debug ssh |
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| 19:04.03 | Kjikaqawej | dbug |
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| 19:04.09 | earthian | hello |
| 19:04.10 | Kjikaqawej | or is it dbugs? |
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| 19:04.17 | h3sp4wn | TeReL50: just /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 19:04.29 | earthian | how do i make an archive a directory with all its files etc?... like compress /home/stuff and have stuff.ext in /home or in current working directory?? |
| 19:04.37 | TeReL50 | tnx h3sp4wn |
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| 19:05.19 | dkr | earthian: cd /home ; tar zcf stuff.tgz stuff |
| 19:05.32 | earthian | ok thanks |
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| 19:06.28 | earthian | dkr, i get this: fostral:/home/vm# tar zcf Windows\ Server\ 2003\ Standard\ Edition/ --- tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive |
| 19:06.37 | valdyn | TeReL50: that's menus, not menu |
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| 19:07.00 | dkr | earthian: read my example more carefully |
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| 19:07.17 | valdyn | TeReL50: you run dpkg -S /etc/xdg/menus and reinstall all listed packages |
| 19:07.24 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 19:07.24 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 19:07.37 | TeReL50 | cool tnx valdyn |
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| 19:08.02 | valdyn | TeReL50: using what dpkg said |
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| 19:08.46 | verboz | hi |
| 19:08.58 | SoulChild | how to find out my soundcard name ? |
| 19:08.58 | Pablo | high |
| 19:08.58 | verboz | pb with jre i think |
| 19:09.08 | verboz | This Application has Unexpectedly Quit: Invocation of this Java Application has caused an InvocationTargetException. This application will now exit. (LAX) |
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| 19:09.26 | Pablo | peanut butter with coffee? |
| 19:09.45 | SoulChild | LOL |
| 19:09.56 | Pablo | ;) |
| 19:10.06 | verboz | héhoooo :p |
| 19:10.14 | Kjikaqawej | SoulChild: lspci |
| 19:10.21 | SoulChild | ok |
| 19:10.32 | rsipkema | I'm trying to add some custom menus using the debian menu system; In the manual it says sections are created automatically, however I try to add a new section and it doesn't get created. Adding a section item as in the manual also doesn't create the section. Is this behaviour intentional, i.e. am I only allowed to add links to programs within the existing sections? |
| 19:11.08 | verboz | zok omkom |
| 19:11.10 | Pablo | :o |
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| 19:15.19 | Gh0stDK | I got a rpm package and as far as i can tell the install command schould be rpm -ivh "name". But it seems RPM isent installed on my machine. What are the command to installing RPM? :) |
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| 19:16.56 | EmleyMoor | Gh0stDK: rpm packages aren't native Debian |
| 19:17.25 | Gh0stDK | Reading some stuff... I have to convert it into a deb package? |
| 19:17.34 | Kjikaqawej | !tell Gh0stDK -about alien |
| 19:17.50 | EmleyMoor | You're best getting a native .deb but try alien |
| 19:18.07 | Kjikaqawej | a real .deb would be best, agreed |
| 19:18.25 | EmleyMoor | How do I tell if my HP LJ5 Si has the duplex option? |
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| 19:18.41 | Gh0stDK | thanks :) |
| 19:19.05 | Kjikaqawej | what's a "HP LJ5 Si"? |
| 19:19.12 | EmleyMoor | A printer |
| 19:19.29 | streuner | LJ, Laser Jet? |
| 19:19.30 | EmleyMoor | I'm serving it from one of my Debian systems |
| 19:19.31 | EmleyMoor | YUs |
| 19:19.33 | EmleyMoor | Yes |
| 19:19.34 | Kjikaqawej | ask it? ;p |
| 19:20.05 | Kjikaqawej | easiest would be going to look on the hp site for its docs |
| 19:20.07 | EmleyMoor | I thought they all did - but if not, it's an option I'd be seeking to buy |
| 19:20.10 | streuner | http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting |
| 19:20.21 | EmleyMoor | "Tell how" is my problem |
| 19:20.30 | EmleyMoor | I RTFM a couple of days ago |
| 19:20.55 | streuner | they usually have suggestions, if they dont know, you are prolly out of luck then |
| 19:21.01 | streuner | heh |
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| 19:21.32 | SoulChild | this sound card is driving me crazy ,.... where can i choose the model of my sound, that should be loaded ? |
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| 19:22.18 | SoulChild | seemawn: naa auch bei arcor :P |
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| 19:23.05 | streuner | Kjikaqawej: i dont need to look at the docs about printers, if some feature is there for printers or another driver its at linuxprinting.org |
| 19:23.10 | seemawn | SoulChild: jo, wieso!? |
| 19:23.20 | Kjikaqawej | streuner: ok |
| 19:23.21 | SoulChild | seemawn: nur so =D |
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| 19:23.49 | seemawn | SoulChild: du, mir is n lappen beim duschen gestern vom haken gefallen... den hab ich wieder aufgehange |
| 19:24.09 | seemawn | achja, was noch fast wichtiger ist: Gestern musste ich vor ner roten Ampel halten!! |
| 19:24.13 | streuner | seemawn: in english please :-) |
| 19:24.20 | TeReL50 | SoulChild; did u try sudo alsaconf ? |
| 19:24.44 | EmleyMoor | The main problem with the docs is they assume you bought the thing brand new |
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| 19:25.02 | Zee1ot | hello |
| 19:25.05 | seemawn | streuner: what I had to say was not important at all. |
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| 19:25.22 | streuner | seemawn: just in case ;-) |
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| 19:25.40 | seemawn | streuner: youre rite. |
| 19:25.43 | streuner | seemawn: this is a english spoken channel |
| 19:25.45 | seemawn | sry. |
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| 19:26.02 | Zee1ot | what is a good way to mount a remote drive so I have read and write access? mainly for working on text files |
| 19:26.10 | Supaplex | !de |
| 19:26.10 | dpkg | de is, like, deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 19:26.17 | streuner | NFS? |
| 19:26.30 | seemawn | streuner: but I dont have to translate what I said or are you curious? |
| 19:26.50 | Supaplex | Zee1ot: nfs, cifs, samba, ncp, sshfs, rsync, and others to |
| 19:27.02 | Hilaus | how can I do that apache process would can connect to a ssh server using a id_dsa like: "ssh -i /directory/to/id_dsa name@server" ?? I can only do it with root.. but not with www-data... |
| 19:27.03 | Kjikaqawej | seemawn: no, don't bother, and streuner here is german |
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| 19:27.33 | seemawn | Kjikaqawej: okay, thank you. |
| 19:27.33 | slidesinger | !lvm |
| 19:27.33 | dpkg | it has been said that lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 19:27.52 | seemawn | I dont know what "waschlappen" means in english btw. |
| 19:27.53 | slidesinger | !lvm_tutorial |
| 19:27.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lvm_tutorial is ibmdevworks tutorial http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lvm/, or http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2.html |
| 19:28.05 | blubberdiblub | seemawn: washing cloth? |
| 19:28.24 | seemawn | yeah thx,. |
| 19:28.35 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm.... no, no duplex fitted - shame really but I will have to buy it extra |
| 19:28.42 | seemawn | however. |
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| 19:28.56 | streuner | "pimp, pussy" |
| 19:29.01 | streuner | dict.leo.org ;-) |
| 19:29.04 | blubberdiblub | seemawn: or rather: washcloth, washrag, flannel, facecloth (that's what my dict tells me ;) |
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| 19:29.45 | seemawn | I must use one of these Items now... under the shower. I hope, I don't drop it. |
| 19:29.52 | jelly | Does aptitude have something list apt-get --print-uris ? |
| 19:30.01 | seemawn | Or else I would have to lift it of, |
| 19:30.04 | seemawn | off. |
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| 19:30.32 | seemawn | my cat has pissed on my girlfriend's clothes. :/ |
| 19:30.44 | Kjikaqawej | oh crap |
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| 19:30.58 | seemawn | I mean, the cat is hers. |
| 19:31.21 | seemawn | Anyone wants a cat? |
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| 19:31.33 | Kjikaqawej | ... |
| 19:31.39 | blubberdiblub | sure :) a stuffed cat? *g* |
| 19:31.43 | jelly | Hilaus: um, is $HOME of www-data writeable for that user? What error do you get? Have you tried adding -d options to ssh? |
| 19:31.57 | seemawn | it is nearly roomsane |
| 19:32.03 | bdheeman | seemawn: we already have one since the days of UNIX |
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| 19:32.14 | bkw | Is it possible to limit vsftpd and tftpd access with /etc/hosts.allow? |
| 19:32.55 | Zee1ot | Supaplex I am using sshfs now but I cant seem to get write access =/ |
| 19:33.39 | Supaplex | Zee1ot: I have yet to use sshfs. it's not that useful to me yet. can you access it via sftp ok? |
| 19:33.51 | Zee1ot | yea |
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| 19:34.37 | et | Zee1ot: sshfs should give you the same privileges as the user you're mounting as |
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| 19:35.20 | Hilaus | jelly: I only want that a php script can connect to a remote ssh server... and I only can do it with root user... |
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| 19:35.53 | jelly | Hilaus: I see, but that still doesn't answer my questions :-| |
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| 19:37.06 | Hilaus | jelly: i think there is not $HOME of www-data... and I don't get any error, only the command doesn't execute correctly |
| 19:37.21 | Kjikaqawej | i've been more or less here the entire time ofthe convo, and i don't see any info to help do what's wanted. just several lines of complaining about "only root can do it". you need to get us more info |
| 19:37.29 | chops | Hilaus: There is $HOME of every user. |
| 19:37.54 | jelly | Hilaus: if its $HOME doesn't exist, ssh can't write to ~/.ssh and can't run |
| 19:38.01 | Kjikaqawej | Hilaus: getent passwd www-data; it *does too* have a home dir |
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| 19:39.16 | jelly | Hilaus: also, you should get an error from ssh. If you don't, then you're not catchiing it properly |
| 19:39.34 | Hilaus | jelly: ok, then do I have to move the id_dsa to the $HOME/.ssh of www-data? |
| 19:40.15 | jelly | Hilaus: I didn't say that, I said that ~/.ssh needs to be writable |
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| 19:41.01 | jelly | Hilaus: I'd use an interactive shell under www-data and make it work in shell first. |
| 19:41.23 | Hilaus | jelly: ok, I'm going to try, thanks |
| 19:41.23 | xand | jelly: i'm not sure ssh *needs* to run to ~/.ssh |
| 19:41.40 | xand | s/run/write/ |
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| 19:41.52 | utopia_ | is 'dbus' a neccesary service? |
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| 19:42.23 | chops | utopia_: Try to remove it and find out :-). I do not believe that it is necessary for a Debian installation in general, but you may have something installed which depends on it. |
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| 19:42.55 | bindokuzyuzuc | what is the best torrent client for gnome? |
| 19:43.02 | chops | !best |
| 19:43.02 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!. Unlike the rest |
| 19:43.14 | jelly | xand: I'm not sure either, but it probably needs/wants some stuff from there |
| 19:43.19 | bindokuzyuzuc | !best torrent |
| 19:43.50 | karsten | bindokuzyuzuc: btncursesdownload |
| 19:44.00 | karsten | erm, btdownload |
| 19:44.03 | tarzeau | 1903? |
| 19:44.15 | jelly | wine bitspirit.exe :-> |
| 19:44.20 | bindokuzyuzuc | tarzeau ? |
| 19:44.21 | karsten | tarzeau: 1906. Chateau Reissling. |
| 19:44.33 | tarzeau | karsten: bindokuzyuzuc is turkish and means 1903 |
| 19:44.54 | massctrl | MangosDebian: so it was the cable, .... replaced it with an 80pins and working flawless now,... silly me |
| 19:44.58 | xand | jelly: wants to yes, but it can cope otherwise |
| 19:45.05 | karsten | Currently wine business. |
| 19:45.09 | massctrl | MangosDebian: thanks for that ;-) |
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| 19:45.54 | szymon_g | hi, i've got a problem: i've downloaded linux-source-2.6.21, i've added working config from my current kernel (the same number), i've compilated a kernel (basically unchanged- i've selected 'preempt' and i've selected options for my processor), ive downloaded newest driver from Nvidia NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.11-pkg1.run and during compilation of modules i get this http://wklej.org/id/f0bc9cff43 |
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| 19:46.01 | some_dude | what is a backport ? |
| 19:46.10 | chops | !backports |
| 19:46.11 | dpkg | i heard backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 19:46.23 | utopia_ | chops, thanks |
| 19:46.52 | chops | szymon_g: Don't use the nvidia installer, use the Debian way |
| 19:47.06 | szymon_g | choops : why? |
| 19:47.06 | some_dude | can i update my backport to a current version ? |
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| 19:47.25 | utopia_ | bindokuzyuzuc, i know it isn't gnome but its worth downloading the kdelibs! ktorrent is by far the best torrent client i've used, you can even search for torrents inside the client |
| 19:47.30 | szymon_g | even on build kernels? |
| 19:47.39 | chops | szymon_g: Even on build kernels. |
| 19:47.43 | szymon_g | ok |
| 19:47.44 | szymon_g | :P |
| 19:48.57 | some_dude | I'm using coLinux instead of VMware because it runs so much faster and uses a lot less ram, but all I can find is debian backport, and it gave me some trouble. |
| 19:49.07 | Kjikaqawej | the btdownloadguiorwhateveritscalled is nice too |
| 19:49.22 | streuner | !colinux |
| 19:49.22 | dpkg | somebody said colinux was http://colinux.org/. Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC ... |
| 19:49.44 | slidesinger | lvm question: I only need to create a partion for /boot (hda1) and a partition for lvm (hda2)? Is it really that simple? |
| 19:49.56 | streuner | some_dude: and what has that to do with Debian at all? |
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| 19:50.33 | some_dude | because I want to know if I can upgrade my debian backport to a current debian system. |
| 19:50.47 | streuner | you running colinux? |
| 19:50.57 | some_dude | yes |
| 19:51.03 | szymon_g | !nvidia one-liner |
| 19:51.03 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 19:51.10 | szymon_g | sorry for that :P |
| 19:52.04 | jelly | some_dude: hrm, a single backport is just a tiny part of the debian OS. If you want to upgrade your Debian run inside colinux, you probably can do that. |
| 19:52.05 | some_dude | it's not very easy to install a new disto under colinux. It comes with debian, but it's a backport, and have a few issuses. |
| 19:52.21 | streuner | not our problem |
| 19:52.35 | jelly | some_dude: it's not a backport, that means something other than what you htink it does |
| 19:53.03 | jelly | streuner: if he's running Debian on a virtual machine, how is upgrading it "not our problem"? |
| 19:53.04 | blubberdiblub | slidesinger: don't think it's that simple. at least the device mapper modules would have to be accessible (unless they're compiled directly), the lvm tools, and the lvm config dir, before lvm can be started |
| 19:53.12 | szymon_g | chops : ekhm... how can i install drivers in debian-way? for build kernels? |
| 19:53.18 | streuner | jelly: scroll up |
| 19:53.52 | Posterdati | hi |
| 19:53.52 | slidesinger | blubberdiblub: Thank you |
| 19:54.14 | jelly | streuner: hm, I only see him in last 10 minutes, don't have earlier logs |
| 19:54.14 | Posterdati | please: gl screensaver freezes my box, please help :) |
| 19:54.23 | st0rmy | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings . [nitro] |
| 19:54.24 | chops | szymon_g: Google for "nvidia debian", or see the nvidia one-liner that dpkg gave out earlier |
| 19:54.29 | blubberdiblub | slidesinger: /usr /var /home /root can be within lvm logical volumes without problem, tho |
| 19:54.44 | Kjikaqawej | test |
| 19:54.52 | streuner | jelly: colinux uses debian mirrors, they dont have own mirrors, but its NOT Debian |
| 19:55.17 | szymon_g | chops : i saw the 'nvidia one-liner' advice, but it doesn't work for me |
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| 19:55.20 | streuner | jelly: plus, those debs arent from DDs as well, AFAIK |
| 19:55.22 | abrotman | streuner: uhm ... IIRC colinux can run any linux |
| 19:55.39 | streuner | abrotman: fine :-) |
| 19:55.40 | chops | szymon_g: What goes wrong when you use the nvidia one-liner? |
| 19:56.06 | some_dude | colinux is just the kernel, the problems I'm having are due to packages and such. |
| 19:56.11 | szymon_g | when i put nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx |
| 19:56.14 | jelly | streuner: It's a pity the factoid doesn't tell that it's a distro. I was under the impression it was a virtual machine solution like user-space-linux |
| 19:56.17 | abrotman | streuner: ah .. i was wrong .. carry on |
| 19:56.22 | szymon_g | i get : bash: nvidia-kernel-2.6-2.6.21szymon: command not found |
| 19:56.28 | abrotman | jelly: http://colinux.org/ |
| 19:56.32 | Azar | szymon_g: it depends on what your kernel has, which libraries, compiler version... that might actually use the tools in the one-liner |
| 19:56.36 | abrotman | jelly: first paragraph kind of lays it out |
| 19:56.37 | szymon_g | (my uname -a is : Linux linugrat 2.6.21szymon #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Jul 17 19:49:36 BST 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:56.42 | chops | szymon_g: Also, there may be a fundamental legal incompatibility with your recent kernel and the nvidia driver; you should check the BTS for details. I don't use the nvidia driver so I'm not sure exactly what's going on. |
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| 19:57.03 | szymon_g | bts? |
| 19:57.07 | abrotman | !bts |
| 19:57.07 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 19:57.33 | szymon_g | azar : i use kernel build on debian's sources |
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| 19:57.41 | szymon_g | i didn't added anything |
| 19:57.47 | some_dude | jelly : I've got atm 15 virtual linux boxes on my server. It's very cool, but I'm running into a few problems like my network won't boot after I upgraded some package |
| 19:57.56 | jelly | abrotman: it still reads as yet-another-virtual-machine, that you can run any distro in. |
| 19:58.08 | Azar | szymon_g: then you are in for compiling nvidia on your own... the one-liner is standard for the stable and possibly testing Debian... |
| 19:58.14 | jelly | some_dude: you should ask the colinux guys most probably |
| 19:58.37 | szymon_g | azar : yeah, i've tried to compile that |
| 19:58.37 | chops | szymon_g: Ah, yes, that wouldn't work for a hand-compiled kernel. I'd recommend that you switch to a Debian kernel build process if you're going to build a Debian kernel. Is there a reason you're building your own kernel instead of using a Debian-compiled kernel? |
| 19:58.49 | abrotman | jelly: doesn't seem quite a VM .. but whatever ... |
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| 19:59.02 | szymon_g | chops : i've tried to make it faster :P |
| 19:59.02 | some_dude | the system is booted, and running. When I updated the package, it broke something in my /etc/rc.x dir |
| 19:59.05 | chops | szymon_g: You can also try to adapt the Debian nvidia builder to your hand-compiled kernel |
| 19:59.08 | jelly | abrotman: that's why I compare it to user-space-linux |
| 19:59.13 | Jemt | Greetz. I'm having this weird problem. I'm able to access webservers by domain outside of my network, but not locally (I have a small webserver on the network, hosting a couple of domains). People on the outside have no problems accessing my webserver by domains, so it seems to be working just fine. I think it got something to do with NAT Loopback - could that be the case ? |
| 19:59.14 | chops | szymon_g: Did it work? Have you measured anything faster? |
| 19:59.22 | szymon_g | ekhm :-/ |
| 19:59.38 | szymon_g | not really ;p |
| 19:59.44 | jelly | abrotman: which is a separate kernel arch, but you can run debian or whatever else in it. |
| 19:59.58 | Kjikaqawej | test |
| 20:00.13 | szymon_g | tset |
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| 20:00.36 | szymon_g | chops : how can i adapt the debian nvidia-builder to my hand-compilated kernel? |
| 20:00.41 | chops | szymon_g: Jolly good then. You can safely switch back to a Debian-compiled kernel and save yourself some hassle. :-) |
| 20:00.49 | szymon_g | he :P |
| 20:01.09 | jelly | szymon_g: eh, you should be able to point it in the general direction of your linux tree. |
| 20:01.14 | abrotman | Kjikaqawej: do you need help ? |
| 20:01.35 | abrotman | Kjikaqawej: surely you know how to use irc :) |
| 20:02.04 | szymon_g | jelly : 'linux-tree' ? i didnt downloaded/installed anything like that :o |
| 20:02.16 | jelly | szymon_g: unpacked kernel source? |
| 20:02.40 | szymon_g | jelly : aptitude install linux-source-2.6.21 |
| 20:02.53 | szymon_g | and tar xfj in /usr/src :P |
| 20:03.05 | jelly | szymon_g: and that's your linux source tree! |
| 20:03.10 | some_dude | where is my debian "version" stored ? |
| 20:03.17 | szymon_g | aha :P |
| 20:03.35 | streuner | abrotman: you talking crap today |
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| 20:03.58 | jelly | some_dude: cat /etc/debian_version; /msg dpkg version |
| 20:04.04 | gcanosa | hello guys, a simple question... |
| 20:04.20 | gcanosa | dos NTFS write support is available by default in preocompiled kernel available in apt-get 2.6.x ? |
| 20:04.29 | abrotman | streuner: i learned it by watching you! |
| 20:04.30 | some_dude | I've got version 3.0 |
| 20:04.39 | jelly | gcanosa: in the kernel, no. |
| 20:04.40 | streuner | abrotman: haha |
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| 20:04.59 | gcanosa | jelly, do I need special modules? |
| 20:04.59 | epp | hey guys, im having some trouble with 3d apps. |
| 20:05.00 | streuner | gcanosa: grep NFS in the config |
| 20:05.14 | szymon_g | gconosa : you have to install ntfs-3g |
| 20:05.18 | szymon_g | !ntfs-3g |
| 20:05.19 | dpkg | methinks ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs>, <backports> (in sarge-backports) |
| 20:05.25 | jelly | gcanosa: currently the best option for rw ntfs is ntfs-3g package |
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| 20:05.56 | jelly | gcanosa: make sure you use the latest version... unfortunately the one in debian stable has some bugs |
| 20:05.56 | some_dude | i can do a apt-get upgrade ? |
| 20:06.18 | Guiwald | ++ everyone |
| 20:06.23 | szymon_g | see ya all |
| 20:06.28 | gcanosa | jelly, lemme check out |
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| 20:06.32 | jelly | some_dude: uh... if you have 3.0 you'll first have to upgrade to 3.1. |
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| 20:06.50 | gcanosa | jelly, 1.710-1 ? |
| 20:06.57 | some_dude | jelly : and how might I do that ? |
| 20:07.01 | jelly | some_dude: which kernel version do you have? Newest Debian might not work properly on 2.4 kernels |
| 20:07.14 | jelly | gcanosa: that sounds nice, yes |
| 20:07.28 | gcanosa | jelly, excellent, just by installing it, I got support for rw ? |
| 20:07.29 | some_dude | er. I'm using the colinux kernel |
| 20:07.46 | jelly | gcanosa: yes, but you'll need to set it up a bit |
| 20:07.58 | jelly | some_dude: which version? |
| 20:07.59 | some_dude | but it thinks it's 2.6 |
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| 20:08.11 | jelly | some_dude: uname -r |
| 20:08.27 | some_dude | 2.6.12 |
| 20:08.39 | gcanosa | jelly, awesome, I'll check it out in a while, thank you very much for your support. |
| 20:08.49 | jelly | some_dude: uh... I guess you can run sarge (3.1) on that |
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| 20:09.32 | TapouT | in debian, is there an equivalent to chkconfig? |
| 20:09.54 | jelly | some_dude: the release notes should tell you how to upgrade and what to look for, http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/releasenotes |
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| 20:10.24 | jelly | some_dude: I hope you have valid backups. :-) |
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| 20:11.16 | jelly | TapouT: man update-rc.d |
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| 20:11.50 | Techdeck | Hello |
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| 20:12.11 | Techdeck | I have apache2 + php4 running on my server, when I run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, it seems to want to install libapache-mod-php5 |
| 20:12.15 | Techdeck | any ideas why? |
| 20:12.23 | Techdeck | (it's the apache 1.3 module, which I don't have installed) |
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| 20:12.33 | \amethyst | what edition of debian are you running? |
| 20:12.36 | Techdeck | testing |
| 20:13.11 | Techdeck | any ideas? |
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| 20:13.18 | \amethyst | what if you just do apt-get upgrade ? |
| 20:13.25 | Techdeck | doesn't matter now |
| 20:13.28 | Techdeck | oh |
| 20:13.29 | Techdeck | I see |
| 20:13.31 | Techdeck | let me check |
| 20:13.41 | Techdeck | ah |
| 20:13.49 | Techdeck | yes, that looks better |
| 20:13.55 | Techdeck | but any ideas why it wanted to do it anyway? |
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| 20:14.57 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 20:15.16 | \amethyst | Techdeck: possibly some package lists libapache-mod-php5 | libapache2-mod-php5 in its dependencies, neither was installed, and it picked the wrong one |
| 20:15.18 | some_dude | jelly : I don't need backups, I have 14 copies of it |
| 20:15.19 | Techdeck | it seems to have something to do with libc6 |
| 20:15.30 | Techdeck | oh wait |
| 20:15.32 | Techdeck | I think I know what is it |
| 20:15.34 | Techdeck | lemme check |
| 20:15.39 | Nazcafan | I added some memory and now linux kernel panics "no init found". Any clue ? |
| 20:15.55 | Techdeck | php-imlib |
| 20:15.56 | Techdeck | doh |
| 20:16.04 | Techdeck | thanks \amethyst |
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| 20:16.17 | jelly | some_dude: oh, I thought you had 15 vms in production... |
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| 20:17.06 | some_dude | I have 14 in production now. I brought one down to try to resolve some issues |
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| 20:22.33 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, how can I enable the php module? when I run phpinfo(); I dont see a good result |
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| 20:26.46 | fish1209 | anyone here using rt2500 wireless i think i messed up network and resolve.conf |
| 20:26.47 | some_dude | jelly : after one apt-get upgrade the system is reporting 4.0 |
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| 20:29.59 | jelly | some_dude: uh, you shouldn't have done that. |
| 20:30.03 | slidesinger | I currently have 8 fixed partitions which I am migrating to lvm2. I am looking for documentation for this procedure. Unfortunately "migrating from fixed partitions to lvm" is not producing any more usable docs than the LVM overview from IBM and the LVM howto at tldp.org. Both of these docs deal primarily with new installation with very few migration notes. Does anyone know of docs that deal with migration? |
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| 20:31.01 | Kjikaqawej | there's a blog online with some stuff to do that; a DD's blog, can't remember the site name though :/ |
| 20:31.07 | some_dude | jelly : I can un do it. |
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| 20:31.22 | Kjikaqawej | saw it the other day |
| 20:31.24 | jelly | some_dude: while it might work, the correct way is to first upgrade from woody (3.0) to sarge (3.1), and then, maybe, upgrade to current stable - etch (4.0) |
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| 20:32.01 | TapouT | when it comes to apps being updated in etch, what's the policy? For example.. rtorrent 0.6.4 in the apt-get system and 0.7.4 available from their site |
| 20:32.07 | blubberdiblub | slidesinger: well, it would help if you had free partitionable space on your storage devices. you could see if you could shrink some partitions, otherwise. after haveing transferred the stuff to lvm, you can grow the lvm volumes and reuse the space that the old partitions took up |
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| 20:32.21 | BFTD | Hi, do I need the second a third DVD's to install debian? |
| 20:32.29 | jelly | some_dude: I have absolutely no idea whether and how good etch will work with 2.6.12, that kernel doesn't have functionality that's used widely in etch (support for udev, for example) |
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| 20:33.06 | some_dude | jelly : one way to find out :P |
| 20:33.33 | some_dude | the system only runs cups, java and ruby |
| 20:33.54 | jelly | some_dude: so, if you have a woody machine, AFAIR you need to set up sarge sources.list, and upgrade to sarge first. There are some gotchas though, like you first need to install new dpkg and apt/aptitude, then use aptitude to dist-upgrade |
| 20:34.20 | mith | jelly: to go from woody to sarge? no you don't |
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| 20:34.39 | mith | jelly: you can go from woody to sarge with just changing the sources.list and apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 20:34.53 | BFTD | anyone? |
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| 20:35.01 | jelly | mith: hmm, I might misremember, it was a while ago |
| 20:35.02 | chops | some_dude: Oof. I thought I was the obseletest fella around back when I upgraded a woody system last October :-) |
| 20:35.11 | slidesinger | blubberdiblub: So, take my new HDD, configure it for lvm, migrate the data, except for /boot, repartition the rest of hda and add it as a pv to the vg? |
| 20:35.15 | Kjikaqawej | BFTD: those dvds are the full distro. you only need a netinst cd, really |
| 20:35.30 | BFTD | Kjikaqawej I have dialup |
| 20:35.32 | some_dude | I usally use ubutnu |
| 20:35.34 | chops | BFTD: You really don't need any DVDs, you just need netinst and an internet connection |
| 20:35.36 | jelly | chops: at least you're not running windows-mode-linux :-) |
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| 20:35.45 | chops | jelly: Point taken |
| 20:35.46 | blubberdiblub | slidesinger: or, alternatively, hook up a temporary hd or something, create lvm physical volumes there, move your partitions onto that. remove the old partitions, make lvm pvs on the now free space, pvmove the partitions residing on the temporary disk to the old place, remove the temporary stuff from the vg, etc., and you're done ;) |
| 20:35.53 | some_dude | but I need a very small OS, and debian seems to fit |
| 20:36.17 | c3fhales | Hi |
| 20:36.25 | Kjikaqawej | BFTD: yes, the netinst is small, but downside is having to download the rest. either cd 1, or the netinst plus extra downloading. take your pick |
| 20:36.47 | chops | some_dude: I remember looking at the sarge install CD I was using, and the date said 2003, and I felt like the laziest man alive :-) |
| 20:36.48 | BFTD | Kjikaqawej but do I need "dvd" 2 and 3? |
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| 20:36.59 | jelly | some_dude: eh, etch will probably work with 2.6.12, but if anything breaks you're obviously on your own (or try to find a newer colinux kernel) |
| 20:37.19 | Kjikaqawej | BFTD: dvd 1 2 and 3 are the whole of etch |
| 20:37.25 | BFTD | ok |
| 20:37.31 | BFTD | then i guess 2 more days it is |
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| 20:39.15 | jelly | BFTD: if you're installing on a machine with internet access, you don't need to download all of it. |
| 20:39.23 | blubberdiblub | slidesinger: well, i only suggest /usr /var /home and /root for lvm logical volumes |
| 20:39.27 | some_dude | I'm having a problem with it not being able to find update-rc.d |
| 20:39.34 | some_dude | this is what broke my network before |
| 20:39.34 | BFTD | I only have dialup |
| 20:39.36 | BFTD | so... |
| 20:39.44 | jelly | some_dude: root's PATH is broken? |
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| 20:39.53 | StR | hey how do you mount an external hard drive? |
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| 20:39.59 | jelly | some_dude: you need to have /sbin and /usr/sbin in there |
| 20:40.35 | some_dude | they are |
| 20:40.47 | blubberdiblub | slidesinger: and of course any non-standard (i.e. custom) directories you might have |
| 20:40.52 | jelly | some_dude: what does `which update-rc.d` say? |
| 20:40.57 | pheeror | hi, is there something in debian for creating graphs off network usage,disk,mem,cpu usage? |
| 20:40.58 | StR | hey how do you mount an external hard drive? |
| 20:41.27 | some_dude | nothing |
| 20:41.27 | StR | any help |
| 20:41.30 | karsten | StR: man mount |
| 20:41.39 | StR | karsten, i just do not know which device it is,. |
| 20:41.46 | jelly | some_dude: dpkg -l sysv-rc? |
| 20:42.00 | karsten | StR: Find out what device it is, what partition (dmesg will generally show for hotmount firewire/usb devices), or check /proc/partitions. |
| 20:42.01 | chops | BFTD: The slower your internet connection, the _fewer_ install CDs you want to download, would be my feeling. |
| 20:42.12 | gonzaloaf_work | Hi, I have installed apache2 php5 and mysql5, but then I call some php functions I receive an error message? how can I enable the php5-mysql module? |
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| 20:42.23 | chops | BFTD: I would advise going with maybe CD 1, or have a semi-full CD/DVD set shipped to you |
| 20:42.35 | StR | SCSI device sda: 156301488 512-byte hdwr sectors (80026 MB) |
| 20:42.39 | Kjikaqawej | chops: i covered this already |
| 20:42.40 | some_dude | No maching packages |
| 20:42.45 | BFTD | I already have DVD 1 downloaded |
| 20:42.50 | chops | BFTD: You can install anything that's not on the CDs from the internet, and if you download the CDs you're pretty guaranteed to download a bunch of stuff you're not going to install. |
| 20:42.56 | karsten | StR: ... know what the filesystem type is. Frequently vfat again for firewire/usb. "mount -o noatime -t vfat <device> <mountpoint>" |
| 20:43.04 | jelly | some_dude: if this is the machine that you tried to upgrade from sarge directly to etch, all sorts of fun stuff might happen and I'm not inclined to help with sorting that mess out :-) |
| 20:43.10 | StR | the device is /sda |
| 20:43.13 | StR | how do you mount it |
| 20:43.24 | karsten | StR: ... done as root. You'll need to set uid/gid and umask to write-access as standard user. |
| 20:43.25 | some_dude | well, this is WHY i thought I needed to upgrade |
| 20:43.33 | some_dude | but I'll figure it out |
| 20:43.37 | StR | karsten, im root |
| 20:43.40 | pheeror | i found just mrtg-rrd but it's on demand, so cgi scripts have to be runned as root |
| 20:43.42 | pheeror | it sux |
| 20:43.43 | karsten | StR: Probably /dev/sda1. cat /proc/partitions and look for that. |
| 20:43.44 | jelly | some_dude: oh, then you need to reinstall sysv-rc |
| 20:43.45 | StR | which one is the device karsten |
| 20:44.03 | chops | some_dude: "Well, my system is broken, so I'll upgrade" rarely ends well |
| 20:44.10 | StR | karsten, yeap it is /dev/sda1 |
| 20:44.12 | some_dude | hehe |
| 20:44.16 | karsten | StR: mkdir /mnt/misc{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0}; mount -o noatime -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/misc1 |
| 20:44.24 | jelly | some_dude: or possibly it was called sysvinit before |
| 20:44.31 | StR | karsten, how do you. automounted it? |
| 20:44.36 | StR | i need to put it on /etc/fstab? |
| 20:44.40 | karsten | StR: I like to have a bunch of miscellaneous mount points udner /mnt. You can change to suite. |
| 20:44.50 | karsten | StR: Install an automounter and configure it. I don't do that. |
| 20:45.00 | some_dude | we have a winner |
| 20:45.04 | StR | karsten, what automounter do i installed? |
| 20:45.06 | jelly | some_dude: first, change your sources.list to use sarge |
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| 20:46.00 | jelly | some_dude: if not, you'll have an unlawful mix of 3.0 and 4.0 packages |
| 20:46.03 | karsten | StR: One that works. "autofs" seems to be the currently popular one. Also some desktop UIs (Nautilus, Konqueror) will detect and mount removeable devices, I think. Personally this is something I'd just as soon handle at a root shell. |
| 20:46.08 | eth01 | when I use 'apt-get install gcc' its asking for the media CD-Rom I don't have one avaiable :// |
| 20:46.20 | karsten | eth01: Comment the CD lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:46.27 | eth01 | okay, thanks. |
| 20:46.36 | eth01 | its a little annoying heh |
| 20:46.37 | karsten | eth01: And make sure there's appropriate network (http or ftp) access lines. |
| 20:46.43 | eth01 | yep. |
| 20:46.45 | some_dude | I'm thinking about starting over, and editing my source list BEFORE i do anything else |
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| 20:46.57 | karsten | eth01: They're there by default, one of the first things I nuke on a new system. |
| 20:47.04 | jelly | karsten: eh, isn't hal/dbus supposed to take care of removable devices these days? |
| 20:47.46 | karsten | jelly: FIIK. |
| 20:47.48 | eth01 | thanks karsten |
| 20:47.53 | jelly | karsten: me3 |
| 20:47.55 | karsten | eth01: NP |
| 20:48.04 | karsten | jelly: ;-) |
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| 20:56.47 | Heston | why is it that the gcc4.1 meta packages doesnt include the c std libary libc6-dev, while the g++ package includes the c++ std library package? |
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| 20:57.09 | chops | Heston: gcc does not indicate a desire for a C++ compiler, while g++ does. |
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| 20:57.39 | jelly | Heston: because you can compile some stuff even without libc6-dev? :-) |
| 20:57.46 | Heston | chops, what does that have to do with including the standard libary |
| 20:57.49 | eth01 | how do i install zlib? |
| 20:58.04 | chops | Heston: -dev is not the standard library; -dev is the compilation headers |
| 20:58.07 | jelly | eth01: why do you need to? |
| 20:58.11 | \amethyst | Heston: Because libc6 is developed separately from gcc |
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| 20:58.19 | eth01 | save bandwidth, for a certain app. |
| 20:58.34 | Heston | its a meta package, it should include everything you need to compile c apps |
| 20:58.50 | Heston | which includes the ability to use the standard library |
| 20:59.01 | jelly | eth01: the app's package will bring in its own dependencies, no need to install in manually |
| 20:59.09 | chops | Heston: You're looking for build-essential |
| 20:59.10 | eth01 | It needs the path ;) |
| 20:59.18 | \amethyst | Heston: Whereas libstdc++ is developed as part of g++ |
| 20:59.25 | eth01 | "Apparently you do not have the zlib development library installed.".. |
| 20:59.25 | jelly | eth01: oh, you're compiling something? |
| 20:59.25 | Heston | the g++ meta package doesnt have this issue, i dont see why the gcc package should |
| 20:59.31 | eth01 | yes.. |
| 20:59.34 | jelly | eth01: apt-cache search zlib dev |
| 20:59.39 | pheeror | !find rrdtool-frontend |
| 20:59.48 | chops | Heston: You could easily want to compile a C app that doesn't use the standard library. I'm working on one right now. |
| 21:00.03 | \amethyst | Heston: note that gcc-4.1 does recommend libc6-dev, it just doesn't require it |
| 21:00.08 | eth01 | okay it was - zlib1g-dev |
| 21:00.13 | chops | Heston: As I said, what you're looking for is build-essential, which means "give me everything I need to compile general applications" |
| 21:00.18 | jelly | eth01: ya, that's it |
| 21:00.19 | Heston | chops, then why does the g++ meta package include the c++ std library headers |
| 21:00.21 | pheeror | !find sytem graphs |
| 21:00.28 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'sytem graphs' returned no results. |
| 21:00.35 | eth01 | any ideas on the path? |
| 21:00.37 | Kjikaqawej | !tell pheeror -about msg the bot |
| 21:00.40 | \amethyst | Heston: The biggest reason, though, is that the std C++ library is much more sensitive to the compiler it's used with |
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| 21:01.08 | \amethyst | Heston: since symbol mangling, etc. can change between versions |
| 21:01.41 | chops | Heston: My guess would be that because without C++ headers, it's not C++, because it can't compile C apps. Without stdio.h and friends, it's still C, just a crippled un-Unixy version. I'm not the maintainer, though, so I can't really say. |
| 21:01.46 | some_dude | I also am going to need a window manager. Is metacity very small ? |
| 21:02.06 | Kjikaqawej | no |
| 21:02.07 | jelly | eth01 if you're building a newer version of something that's already in debian, adding deb-src lines to your sources.list and doing apt-get build-dep foo will bring in all the development stuff that debian maintainer used to compile it |
| 21:02.18 | \amethyst | Heston: also, you might want to link against uclibc instead :) |
| 21:02.23 | Heston | \amethyst, chops, alright then, thanks |
| 21:02.31 | some_dude | Kjikaqawej : was the directed at me ? |
| 21:02.33 | eth01 | No, I need the path for zlib1g-dev... |
| 21:02.38 | Heston | \amethyst, why's that? |
| 21:02.55 | Kjikaqawej | some_dude: smallest are the *box ones, or like ratpoison or ion3 |
| 21:03.00 | \amethyst | Heston: not you in particular, somebody. If you're compiling an executable for an embedded environment |
| 21:03.08 | jelly | eth01: uh, it ought to find it itself |
| 21:03.15 | eth01 | it has now :) |
| 21:03.31 | Heston | \amethyst, well embedded environments typically have their own version of the std |
| 21:03.34 | jelly | eth01: what are you building btw? |
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| 21:04.37 | Kjikaqawej | which reminds me, i gotta go check if they have updated debs for this one |
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| 21:06.40 | karsten | Is there another ssh brute countermeasure than "denyhosts"? |
| 21:06.49 | \amethyst | karsten: fail2ban ? |
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| 21:07.27 | Kjikaqawej | fail2ban, iptables with matching rules |
| 21:07.39 | karsten | \amethyst: Danke |
| 21:08.06 | Kjikaqawej | recent module |
| 21:08.16 | Kjikaqawej | $ipt -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -m recent --set --name SSH |
| 21:08.22 | Kjikaqawej | etc. |
| 21:08.25 | karsten | I'm actually looking at auth failure attempt lockout policies/tools, and what's a typical setting for same. |
| 21:08.37 | Heston | how could i determin what exactly is included with the laptop install set chosen during installation? |
| 21:08.48 | Kjikaqawej | $ipt -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -m recent --update --seconds 60 --hitcount 4 --rttl --name SSH -j DROP |
| 21:08.52 | BFTD | any debian developers in here? |
| 21:08.57 | Kjikaqawej | selected snippets |
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| 21:09.05 | karsten | Setting the lockout count too low inconveniences users, too high is a security threat, what's a good compromise. |
| 21:09.20 | karsten | BFTD: Just ask your question, or join #debian-developers at oftc. |
| 21:09.25 | karsten | !tell BFTD about oftc |
| 21:09.26 | utopia_ | No #ubuntu kidnapped them all BFTD |
| 21:09.28 | BFTD | sorry |
| 21:09.41 | BFTD | I'll go now! Thanks All |
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| 21:09.47 | Kjikaqawej | jelly: we probably got them at the same place |
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| 21:09.54 | utopia_ | free the developers#$! |
| 21:10.02 | pheeror | When i want to suggest add keyword to some package, is there better way than submiting bug ? |
| 21:10.05 | jelly | Kjikaqawej: mine's --seconds 30 --hitcount 4 ;-) |
| 21:10.23 | jelly | Kjikaqawej: and a -j LOG before the DROP too! |
| 21:10.34 | karsten | utopia_: So, I was driving through Mill Valley the other day and saw a sign up on the side of the road. |
| 21:10.34 | Kjikaqawej | i left out some rules ;) |
| 21:10.39 | karsten | utopia_: "Free Sawdust" |
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| 21:10.46 | Kjikaqawej | didn't want to spam the channel with the full ruleset |
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| 21:10.59 | karsten | And I thought "Who's Sawdust, and who'se holding him hostage?" |
| 21:11.06 | Kjikaqawej | hehe |
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| 21:11.21 | karsten | !tell Kjikaqawej about paster |
| 21:11.22 | karsten | ;-) |
| 21:11.32 | Kjikaqawej | yeh yeh ;) |
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| 21:11.35 | Kjikaqawej | hehe |
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| 21:11.54 | carbonheart | hi |
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| 21:12.53 | Kjikaqawej | carbonheart: kwe kwe, and technically, we're all 'carbonhearts', we're carbon-based lifeforms |
| 21:13.02 | carbonheart | it just matches my domain |
| 21:13.09 | carbonheart | minus the .net |
| 21:13.12 | carbonheart | also my battle.net name ;p |
| 21:13.16 | Kjikaqawej | nice |
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| 21:13.26 | carbonheart | I was thinking of the most gothy/stupid domain name |
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| 21:13.28 | carbonheart | and I got it |
| 21:13.32 | Kjikaqawej | hehe |
| 21:14.18 | Kjikaqawej | ours is really simple, means 'day' or 'elder' in cree |
| 21:14.22 | jelly | karsten: if you really want it, http://www.adu.hr/~jelly/active (iptables-save) |
| 21:14.30 | carbonheart | it's also really hard to spell |
| 21:14.36 | carbonheart | (for an english speaker) |
| 21:14.37 | StR | how do you download the mozilla-java plugin. |
| 21:15.13 | karsten | !java |
| 21:15.13 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
| 21:15.29 | Kjikaqawej | oh, that's not it (my nick), it's kisikew. my nick is 'big crow', or 'raven' in mi'kmaq |
| 21:15.46 | karsten | !mozilla java |
| 21:15.46 | dpkg | methinks mozilla-java is First, read <install java>. Now go to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ and make a symlink to /usr/local/jwhatever//plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so (and repeat this procedure for every web browser you have installed). An alternate installation procedure is described in <mozilla-java-bis>. For FireFox compliance, ask <firefox java> |
| 21:15.48 | StR | karsten, the mozilla-plugin |
| 21:15.58 | karsten | StR: Patience, grasshopper. |
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| 21:16.52 | carbonheart | yeah, debian has just been running for the last six months, for me. |
| 21:16.57 | carbonheart | I usually kept it headless |
| 21:17.11 | carbonheart | Just recently I figured I'd set it up more to my liking. |
| 21:17.35 | karsten | jelly: How long does that block a given IP for? |
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| 21:18.36 | abrotman | karsten: appears to be until reboot |
| 21:18.40 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 21:19.01 | jelly | karsten: it allows 3 SYNs every 30 seconds I think, that's enough to stop bruteforce attacks |
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| 21:19.05 | karsten | abrotman: That was my read. DDOS potential there. |
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| 21:19.24 | abrotman | jelly: he wanted to know when they are un-banned |
| 21:19.36 | abrotman | karsten: sure .. but it only blocks ssh |
| 21:19.44 | jelly | abrotman: there is no banning as such, only rate limiting of new connections |
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| 21:19.46 | karsten | jelly: For additional context, this is a keyfob (password generator) based system with apparent time-sync issues between fobs and auth server, and I'm the guy getting locked out, constantly. |
| 21:19.51 | karsten | jelly: See above. |
| 21:19.58 | karsten | jelly: 3 fails => lockout. |
| 21:20.21 | osmosis | how do I setup my routes in /etc/network/interfaces for a 2nd nic. Two gateways doesn't work. |
| 21:20.27 | Kjikaqawej | karsten: that effing sucks |
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| 21:20.43 | karsten | Failures may result from miskeyed password (easy to do), time sync, or repeated login attempt prior to resetting of secureid. Which is documented poorly if at all. |
| 21:20.47 | mmlj4 | how do I get SSL working with apache2? I've seen docs that say install libapache-mod-ssl, but that wants to install apache version 1.x |
| 21:20.50 | Kjikaqawej | osmosis: no it doesn't, not with default routes |
| 21:21.06 | karsten | Kjikaqawej: Yeah, I'm starting to raise a stink about it. Had an hour to get work done last night, ended up with 20 useful minutes. |
| 21:21.15 | Kjikaqawej | :( |
| 21:21.22 | abrotman | jelly; ah ok |
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| 21:21.44 | Kjikaqawej | mmlj4: that's because that module is for apache 1.x |
| 21:22.07 | Kjikaqawej | mmlj4: mod_ssl comes with apache2 by default now IIRC |
| 21:22.13 | TapouT | does debian have an auto-sensing dhcp capability? |
| 21:22.13 | jelly | karsten: ah, secureid is nice when it works. I have a similar token-based auth on me banking web-app |
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| 21:22.37 | osmosis | Kjikaqawej: i have a gateway set for each interface.... route -n now shows I have two interfaces that are trying for 0.0.0.0 |
| 21:22.42 | osmosis | thats no good. |
| 21:22.44 | mmlj4 | Kjikaqawej: ok, fair enough, thanks |
| 21:22.47 | Kjikaqawej | no it isn't |
| 21:22.52 | Kjikaqawej | mmlj4: np |
| 21:22.54 | karsten | jelly: Yeah, the system's just way too twitchy. |
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| 21:23.18 | Jemt | I have a problem with Courier-SQWebmail; I have installed and configured SQWebmail, but all I get is a folder with some pictures, an HTML file and CSS file |
| 21:23.38 | Kjikaqawej | heheh |
| 21:24.06 | jelly | karsten: it's your ISP's fault! |
| 21:24.08 | jelly | :-> |
| 21:24.23 | karsten | jelly: Sometimes that too. |
| 21:24.26 | Kjikaqawej | jelly: yup, when all else fails, blame the ISP |
| 21:24.30 | osmosis | how do I add routes to /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 21:24.32 | Kjikaqawej | :P |
| 21:24.38 | karsten | jelly: Given that I may be on the road on flaky WiFi, other stuff can lead to failures. |
| 21:24.45 | karsten | osmosis: man 5 interfaces |
| 21:25.03 | jayson | osmosis: you can add your default route with the 'gateway' directive. |
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| 21:25.14 | jelly | karsten: um, ask them to prolong the key retention to, say, 3 minutes instead of one? :-) |
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| 21:25.57 | Aneeee1098 | is there any1 using the sid debian or lenny ?? |
| 21:26.27 | jelly | karsten: I've been fairly happy with a GSM/GPRS/HSDPA card here in $SMALL_EUROPEAN_COUNTRY |
| 21:26.56 | karsten | jelly: My general recommendations are: 1: increase failure count to 6 or 9. 2: increase key validity window to 3 minutes (allowing slop on either side). 3: change failure mode for key reuse to non-penalty failure (the first thing someone's going to do on a login denied is retry the same key in the event data were mis-entered). |
| 21:27.05 | karsten | jelly: ?? |
| 21:27.11 | karsten | What's that? |
| 21:27.17 | Kjikaqawej | Aneeee1098: yes, many people do. what's your real question? |
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| 21:27.35 | jelly | karsten: wireless internet using mobile phone network |
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| 21:27.42 | karsten | jelly: Ah. |
| 21:27.49 | karsten | jelly: I thought it was an authentication tool. |
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| 21:28.15 | karsten | jelly: There's pretty decent ad-hoc wireless in several places I tend to hang out at. Though not in all. |
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| 21:28.22 | Aneeee1098 | Kjikaqawej i gotta see wich one to download, what do you reckon |
| 21:28.25 | gravyface_ | hello all. |
| 21:28.38 | chops | Aneeee1098: If you have to ask, use stable. At least for a while :-) |
| 21:28.44 | Kjikaqawej | Aneeee1098: you can't get sid cd. get etch one |
| 21:28.50 | naitram | need simple dhcp server for small network. suggestions |
| 21:28.57 | chops | naitram: dhcpd? |
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| 21:29.01 | afaict | Hi folks! |
| 21:29.09 | gravyface_ | I'm running Debian Sarge, just plugged in my USB removable drive and would like to mount it. Pretty much at a standstill now -- not sure where/if it shows up in /dev if at all. |
| 21:29.36 | karsten | gravyface_: dmesg | tail -100 | grep '/dev'; cat /proc/partitions |
| 21:29.36 | chops | gravyface_: It probably shows up as /dev/sda1 (or a later /dev/sd device if you already have some) |
| 21:29.39 | Kjikaqawej | see dmesg | less first; second i would consider upgrading to etch |
| 21:29.48 | karsten | gravyface_: pastebin results if you can't sort that out. |
| 21:30.02 | gravyface_ | let me try that. brb. |
| 21:30.03 | chops | gravyface_: As mentioned, upgrading to etch and installing udev will both help you with that |
| 21:30.11 | naitram | chops: is dhcp easy to set up? |
| 21:30.15 | Kjikaqawej | s,-100,-n 100, |
| 21:30.24 | Aneeee1098 | thanks guys chops Kjikaqawej... im getting back to debian !!! ttyl :-] |
| 21:30.38 | jelly | karsten: this is not free, but coverage is good, I've been messing on the server while on a 4hour bus drive over the country |
| 21:30.44 | chops | naitram: Moderately. |
| 21:30.51 | Heston | how could i determin what exactly is included with the laptop install set chosen during installation? |
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| 21:31.24 | naitram | chops: ok will try it. Thanks |
| 21:31.33 | Kjikaqawej | looking under tasks -> laptop in aptitude? |
| 21:31.36 | karsten | jelly: Sweet. |
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| 21:31.51 | karsten | jelly: HR? |
| 21:31.56 | blubberdiblub | naitram: the config file has some helpful comments. i didn't find it hard to do, ymmv |
| 21:32.18 | karsten | jelly: I'm waiting for US public infrastructure to come up to former Soviet Bloc standards. |
| 21:32.30 | jelly | karsten: hehe |
| 21:32.35 | naitram | blubberdiblub: ok, thanks. |
| 21:33.49 | karsten | How do you add a QOTD to dpkg? |
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| 21:34.05 | TapouT | how can I configure auto-dhcp ... when the nic auto-senses the port being unplugged, replugged? |
| 21:34.13 | gravyface_ | karsten, chops: http://pastebin.com/m4e700ecb |
| 21:34.25 | Kjikaqawej | karsten: add it, need to find the right number, then mod qotd0 iirc |
| 21:34.34 | Kjikaqawej | !qotd |
| 21:34.35 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 21:34.36 | chops | gravyface_: Oof, devfs |
| 21:34.43 | Kjikaqawej | karsten: ^^^ |
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| 21:34.56 | karsten | !literal qotd0 |
| 21:34.57 | dpkg | "qotd0" is "<reply> see qotd(|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18)(0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)" |
| 21:35.02 | karsten | So, what are the numbers? |
| 21:35.10 | Kjikaqawej | e.g. |
| 21:35.12 | karsten | ... or are there 189 QOTDs defined? |
| 21:35.14 | Kjikaqawej | !qotd13 |
| 21:35.14 | dpkg | <Azar> jm, I do not have irc, how could I get in another way? |
| 21:35.30 | Kjikaqawej | would seem so |
| 21:35.44 | Kjikaqawej | oh fucking hell hehehe |
| 21:35.44 | Guerin | !qotd189 |
| 21:35.50 | Guerin | apparently not |
| 21:35.55 | gravyface_ | chops, karsten: I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you're after. |
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| 21:36.16 | karsten | qotd185 |
| 21:36.19 | karsten | !qotd185 |
| 21:36.20 | dpkg | hmm... qotd185 is my sanity check is a race condition. - Jim Dennis |
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| 21:36.49 | karsten | gravyface_: pastebin |
| 21:36.56 | Kjikaqawej | ok 186 is open |
| 21:37.00 | Guerin | !my factoids |
| 21:37.00 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 21:37.07 | karsten | gravyface_: Doh! sec. |
| 21:37.11 | Guerin | that's probably the place to see it ↑ |
| 21:37.12 | Kjikaqawej | so add whatever to qotd186 |
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| 21:37.32 | Kjikaqawej | !flw |
| 21:37.32 | dpkg | <daedx> what sooo bad about running x as root, im the only user of my laptop, even is my root password is in memory I change it every week, and there is nothing of interested in my laptop <daedx> it's NOT insecure <daedx> Windows run as run all the time on 99.99% of the world's users |
| 21:37.36 | karsten | gravyface_: Um, what's that output of? |
| 21:37.59 | gravyface_ | dmesg | tail -100 | grep '/dev/sda'; cat /proc/partitions |
| 21:38.04 | gravyface_ | sorry, |
| 21:38.07 | karsten | Kjikaqawej: I added 185. |
| 21:38.11 | gravyface_ | dmesg | tail -100 | grep '/dev'; cat /proc/partitions |
| 21:38.25 | gravyface_ | I pasted what you gave me literally. |
| 21:38.25 | Kjikaqawej | ok |
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| 21:38.31 | jelly | !qotd188 |
| 21:38.43 | jelly | !qotd187 |
| 21:38.46 | jelly | ... |
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| 21:39.27 | Kjikaqawej | 185 |
| 21:39.36 | Kjikaqawej | i already did that jelly ;) |
| 21:39.38 | karsten | gravyface_: What kernel are you running? You're getting ide/host/bus/target/lun style partition tabels. |
| 21:39.51 | gravyface_ | 2.4 I think. uname? |
| 21:39.59 | jelly | Kjikaqawej: I'm so tired I can't do a binary search |
| 21:40.00 | Kjikaqawej | devfs... |
| 21:40.11 | gravyface_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.31 | Kjikaqawej | jelly: so get some sleep dude |
| 21:40.49 | TapouT | shouldn't : allow-hotplug eth0 .. automatically call dhcp when the port is unplugged, replugged? |
| 21:41.06 | gravyface_ | I really should upgrade this box but I'll prolly duke-nuke it and rebuild so USB backup would be helpful. |
| 21:41.13 | Kjikaqawej | only if configured for dhcp |
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| 21:42.09 | TapouT | Kjikaqawej, the eth0 is configured for dhcp ... when I unplug it from one router to the next, i want it to automatically fetch a new ip (dhcp) .. |
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| 21:42.36 | karsten | gravyface_: uname -r |
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| 21:43.07 | karsten | gravyface_: Right... |
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| 21:43.33 | Kjikaqawej | i dunno, never used that. seems like it would. moment please |
| 21:44.05 | gravyface_ | karsten: 2.4.27-3-k7 |
| 21:44.47 | stew | TapouT: have a look at ifplugd |
| 21:45.07 | Kjikaqawej | TapouT: ah, ifplugd would help |
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| 21:45.25 | gravyface_ | karsten: modprobe usb-storage == "" |
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| 21:45.38 | Heston | Kjikaqawej, thanks |
| 21:45.47 | karsten | gravyface_: While it doesn't address your immediate issue, upgrading to a 2.6.19 or thereabouts kernel will make /proc/partitions much easier to read. |
| 21:45.48 | Kjikaqawej | you would have to daemonise that stuff to do detection and reconfiguration on the fly |
| 21:45.58 | karsten | gravyface_: lsmod | grep usb |
| 21:46.14 | Kjikaqawej | stew: oh hehe, didn't see your msg :) |
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| 21:46.58 | gravyface_ | karsten: http://pastebin.com/m8ffb536 |
| 21:47.05 | gravyface_ | looks ok. |
| 21:47.24 | TapouT | Kjikaqawej, thank you.. trying now :) |
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| 21:47.48 | Kjikaqawej | credit stew too, he mentioned it first ;) |
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| 21:47.59 | karsten | gravyface_: Yeah. |
| 21:48.19 | gravyface_ | mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 21:48.32 | gravyface_ | I just cycled the power and tried another USB port. |
| 21:48.40 | karsten | gravyface_: Try /dev/sde1 |
| 21:48.43 | gravyface_ | it's an older box -- AMD Duron 900 |
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| 21:49.23 | karsten | gravyface_: modprobe sd_mod scsi_mod (or check if hey're already loaded). |
| 21:49.24 | gravyface_ | I'm trying -t ntfs and -t vfat -- I was windows formatted. |
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| 21:49.39 | gravyface_ | *it was |
| 21:49.55 | karsten | gravyface_: You'd be getting filesystem errors if that was the case. You're not finding the device yet. |
| 21:50.11 | gravyface_ | modprobe sd_mod returns "" |
| 21:50.15 | karsten | gravyface_: I'd say do your kernel update first. 2.4 is *way* old at this point. |
| 21:50.22 | gravyface_ | same with scsi_mod |
| 21:50.23 | schoppenhauer | hello. is there some package with a key for something like debian-multimedia or debian-unofficial or so in the standard-package-tree of debian, or do I have to download and install it seperately. since downloading and installing is related to some security issues, i wouldnt like to... |
| 21:50.29 | gravyface_ | ok. |
| 21:50.29 | karsten | gravyface_: "modprobe" will load the module. Check for it with lsmod. |
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| 21:50.38 | gravyface_ | apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 21:50.42 | BluRay | hi .. |
| 21:50.43 | Kjikaqawej | schoppenhauer: /topic |
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| 21:51.02 | BluRay | can i run debian with a 133 MHz, 32 MB ram - terminal mode only (smaller server) ? |
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| 21:51.20 | Guerin | BluRay: hell yeah |
| 21:51.28 | schoppenhauer | Kjikaqawej: in what way is this related to what i asked? |
| 21:51.40 | BluRay | Guerin, it will run stable? |
| 21:51.45 | karsten | BluRay: Yeah. |
| 21:51.49 | karsten | BluRay: And Yeah. |
| 21:51.53 | BluRay | lol |
| 21:51.53 | BluRay | :) |
| 21:52.04 | BluRay | is debian better than slackware? |
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| 21:52.06 | Kjikaqawej | ok, wait, there used to be something about gpg keys in the topic... |
| 21:52.10 | karsten | !better |
| 21:52.10 | dpkg | i guess better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 21:52.12 | Guerin | BluRay: just don't try to run anything bloat. Ram will be your major bottleneck, not cpu. |
| 21:52.21 | schoppenhauer | Kjikaqawej: nothing related to what I asked |
| 21:52.35 | BluRay | Guerin, define "bloat" :) |
| 21:52.37 | karsten | Kjikaqawej: Still is. |
| 21:52.51 | karsten | /msg dpkg no public key |
| 21:52.54 | Guerin | BluRay: impossible. |
| 21:52.59 | Kjikaqawej | schoppenhauer: they have a key on their site, (debian-multimedia) i also think they might have a package to install one. else you can add it via apt-key |
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| 21:53.21 | schoppenhauer | Kjikaqawej: but i cannot controll if the key i downloaded is the right key |
| 21:53.21 | Kjikaqawej | so it is |
| 21:53.37 | Kjikaqawej | uh, yeh, of course you can |
| 21:53.39 | schoppenhauer | Kjikaqawej: sry, i am a little paranoid about these things, but it is so |
| 21:53.42 | schoppenhauer | how? |
| 21:53.50 | BluRay | is it possible to install debian with small number of packages (only needed packages) to take about 700 MB - 1 GB disk space? |
| 21:54.08 | schoppenhauer | Kjikaqawej: thats actually what i want to know... i can download the key, but how can i verify it? |
| 21:54.15 | petemc | BluRay: yes |
| 21:54.59 | BluRay | 4.0 r0 is the latest stable? |
| 21:55.19 | schoppenhauer | Kjikaqawej: i can download http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/d/debian-multimedia-keyring/debian-multimedia-keyring_2007.02.14_all.deb and install it, but i will not be able to verify that the one i downloaded is not corrupted by some of my nerdy admins. |
| 21:55.57 | TapouT | Kjikaqawej, i've got ifplugd installed now... I looked at the defaults in /etc/default/ifplugd .. they look good, operating on eth0. I unplug the network for 30 seconds, replug.. and it still doesn't try dhcp.. any idea what I'm missing? |
| 21:56.05 | Kjikaqawej | that doesn't make sense |
| 21:56.10 | Guerin | BluRay: you'll have to install some extras to fill 700MB - 4.0 is the latest. /msg dpkg ig |
| 21:56.22 | Kjikaqawej | TapouT: nope. like i said, i've never done that. i'd read the docs |
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| 21:57.06 | schoppenhauer | why isnt this debian-multimedia-keypackage in the main package tree? i mean, there is nothing wrong about that, its just a keypackage. |
| 21:57.23 | Kjikaqawej | schoppenhauer: because it isn't debian |
| 21:57.43 | Guerin | schoppenhauer: it's maintained by the debian-multimedia people; it's their package |
| 21:57.45 | schoppenhauer | Kjikaqawej: whatever. this keypackage is useless unless somehow verified |
| 21:57.49 | BluRay | i see there are many of cd's available (i think 21) |
| 21:58.00 | BluRay | that's too much .. which cd's i need for small install? |
| 21:58.05 | BluRay | 5 will be enough? |
| 21:58.06 | Guerin | schoppenhauer: you can import the key using the instructions on d-m.org |
| 21:58.11 | Guerin | or .net or whatever it is |
| 21:58.13 | Kjikaqawej | BluRay: 1 |
| 21:58.17 | Guerin | BluRay: 1 |
| 21:58.20 | BluRay | 1? |
| 21:58.25 | Guerin | 1. |
| 21:58.29 | BluRay | :) |
| 21:58.29 | schoppenhauer | Guerin: yes, but i have anyway to download it WITHOUT being able to verify its integrity |
| 21:58.29 | BluRay | great |
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| 21:58.36 | Guerin | no you don't |
| 21:58.39 | BluRay | apache, mysql, php, ssh... |
| 21:58.40 | Kjikaqawej | ... |
| 21:58.45 | Kjikaqawej | crazy ghost people |
| 21:58.45 | BluRay | that's available on 1st cd? |
| 21:58.46 | schoppenhauer | (doesnt *anyone* here know *anything* about gpg?) |
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| 21:59.11 | Kjikaqawej | schoppenhauer: how about you go cry to mommy then? |
| 21:59.20 | Guerin | schoppenhauer: the site provides instructions for importing the key. You truust the site. If you don't, why are you using it? |
| 21:59.25 | karsten | schoppenhauer: You *always* downlaod keys without being aware of their integrity. |
| 21:59.40 | schoppenhauer | Kjikaqawej: how about you just shut up if you dont know the answer? |
| 21:59.45 | Guerin | the point with a key is that you trust the source which tells you which key to download |
| 21:59.48 | karsten | schoppenhauer: The web of trust model is that you trust a key based on who's signed it, or whether or not you personally have verified the key and its finterprint. |
| 21:59.57 | karsten | schoppenhauer: Mind your manners. |
| 22:00.01 | schoppenhauer | karsten: not always. i downloaded *one* key i trust. |
| 22:00.03 | karsten | Kjikaqawej: Ditto. |
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| 22:00.39 | schoppenhauer | karsten: i downloaded one key, i trust this key, namely the debian-archive-keyring (ok, one keyring, whatever) |
| 22:00.42 | karsten | schoppenhauer: If you find you don't trust a key, you want it anyhow, and flagged locally as untrusted, so that you don't trust it accidentally later. You don't understand key management, it seems. |
| 22:01.02 | BluRay | do i have apache, mysql, php, sshd on 1st cd available? |
| 22:01.10 | Guerin | schoppenhauer: and that verified all the OFFICIAL debian packages. d-m isn't official, hence, you need to re-establish trust. Simple. |
| 22:01.14 | schoppenhauer | karsten: what the fuck are you talking about weird stuff? i trust the key, but i dont trust the connection. |
| 22:01.25 | Guerin | schoppenhauer: if you don't trust d-m,, don't install it. That's your alternative. |
| 22:01.42 | karsten | schoppenhauer: GPG is designed to work on untrusted networks. |
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| 22:01.54 | karsten | schoppenhauer: If it helps you any google "karsten gpg rant". |
| 22:02.07 | karsten | schoppenhauer: ... and/or note that I claim to have worked at PGP. |
| 22:02.23 | schoppenhauer | karsten: aha. and how will it work if someone just exchanges the downloaded debian-package, because he can... because he's between you and the server you download it from? |
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| 22:02.38 | jerome | good evening all. |
| 22:02.49 | karsten | schoppenhauer: The storage and transport of GPG keys is inherently designed to be untrusted. What you trust are known good signatures (or sufficient numbers of sigs that you think ought to be sane to give you some comfrot level). |
| 22:03.05 | Guerin | schoppenhauer: how does debian.org guard against that? |
| 22:03.22 | Kjikaqawej | karsten: what? |
| 22:03.28 | karsten | schoppenhauer: 1: they can't do so with a trusted key (unless they've compromised the key). Debian's been pretty good at catching other compromises, and I'm not aware of any cases of signing keys gone bad. |
| 22:03.39 | karsten | Kjikaqawej: What what? Manners? "cry to mommy". |
| 22:03.43 | schoppenhauer | karsten: i HAVE no signature! |
| 22:03.49 | schoppenhauer | at least not here |
| 22:03.54 | karsten | schoppenhauer: gpg --list-sigs 1F41B907 |
| 22:03.59 | Kjikaqawej | yeh, that was frustration talking... sorry |
| 22:04.01 | karsten | schoppenhauer: Should be the marillat key. |
| 22:04.08 | jerome | I have a running system an hda and an empty identical model hdb. I'd like to create a software raid hdax hdbx. Is it possible to setup raid post install without compromising the actual data ? |
| 22:04.21 | karsten | schoppenhauer: It's got 99 signatures on it. |
| 22:04.25 | valdyn | jerome: sure |
| 22:04.26 | afaict | folks |
| 22:04.57 | afaict | is there any tool to change my LVM name ? all my LVM partitions has one name.. i need to change ... is there any manageR? |
| 22:05.06 | afaict | i will need to change it in initrd too right ? |
| 22:05.07 | Kjikaqawej | schoppenhauer: sorry about that |
| 22:05.24 | valdyn | afaict: what's 'a LVM' ? |
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| 22:05.36 | schoppenhauer | whatever. i verified it at least somehow by downloading it on more than one sevrer |
| 22:05.42 | schoppenhauer | so it should be correct |
| 22:06.05 | Guerin | wtf |
| 22:06.05 | karsten | schoppenhauer: If you want to verify the signature list: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys $( gpg --list-sigs 1F41B907 | grep ^sig.*"ID not found" | cut -c13-21 ) |
| 22:06.16 | Guerin | how does that make it likely to be correct? |
| 22:06.17 | afaict | valdyn: logical volume manager |
| 22:06.19 | karsten | schoppenhauer: If you don't know any of those signatures, you're pretty much taking it on faith. |
| 22:06.32 | Guerin | can you demonstrate those two siteas are independent? |
| 22:06.42 | valdyn | afaict: so you know that renaming 'a LVM' does not make sense |
| 22:06.42 | karsten | schoppenhauer: No, you *don't* trust either your transport or the server. What you trust is the cryptographic integrity of the signatures on the key itself. |
| 22:06.47 | vulture | or that your local connection hasn't been compromised.. |
| 22:06.48 | schoppenhauer | karsten: i used debian-multimedia before, as many people i know... why should i distrtust it? |
| 22:06.53 | vulture | in which case everything you receive is crap :) |
| 22:06.59 | afaict | valdyn: uhm... |
| 22:07.05 | afaict | valdyn: here is my problem |
| 22:07.12 | Guerin | schoppenhauer: that's a good fucking question. Why have you been pissing and moaning about it if you ALREADY fucking trust it? |
| 22:07.16 | karsten | schoppenhauer: I didn't say you *dis*trust it. I said you don't trust it. And you don't need to trust it for the purposes of serving you a key. |
| 22:07.17 | Guerin | !moron schoppenhauer |
| 22:07.18 | dpkg | schoppenhauer: You are moron #48 |
| 22:07.19 | afaict | valdyn: i gave the same name for my lvm at pendrive and for hardisk |
| 22:07.24 | karsten | Guerin: Mind your manners. |
| 22:07.27 | afaict | valdyn: so i need to change the name |
| 22:07.29 | valdyn | afaict: geez |
| 22:07.39 | valdyn | afaict: you're talking about a volume group |
| 22:07.52 | valdyn | afaict: aka vg |
| 22:07.58 | afaict | valdyn: lvrename |
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| 22:08.15 | afaict | valdyn: this is the tool. lvrename... but i need to change all confs right ? |
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| 22:08.22 | valdyn | afaict: that's for lv aka logical volume |
| 22:08.26 | eldowan | How would I go about giving a single user account privelages to use mount without sudo? |
| 22:08.36 | afaict | valdyn: uhm... |
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| 22:08.39 | Guerin | schoppenhauer: this whole argument emerges from the following facts: 1. you think you know how GPG works, but you don't. 2. you want something to bitch and complain about |
| 22:08.43 | valdyn | afaict: get your terminology straight - what are you tring to rename? |
| 22:08.44 | karsten | schoppenhauer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust |
| 22:09.08 | afaict | valdyn: volume group |
| 22:09.12 | Guerin | well, now you've got the famous #debian intolerance for fuckwittery to complain about, too |
| 22:09.22 | valdyn | afaict: so vgrename |
| 22:09.29 | schoppenhauer | i must really hold myself back not to say some really obscene words now |
| 22:09.30 | karsten | Guerin: /ignore |
| 22:09.32 | schoppenhauer | so i better go |
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| 22:09.34 | Kjikaqawej | add it as 3) |
| 22:09.42 | karsten | schoppenhauer: Anything still not clear? |
| 22:09.43 | Guerin | that would be a boon for us all |
| 22:09.46 | afaict | valdyn: and thats it ? i dont need to edit initrd ? |
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| 22:09.49 | karsten | Guerin: Stop. |
| 22:09.53 | gcosmin | whats the mest torrent client ? |
| 22:10.05 | schoppenhauer | however. thanks for nothing. cu. |
| 22:10.08 | Kjikaqawej | gcosmin: 'best' is relative |
| 22:10.10 | afaict | valdyn: initrd has the volume group name set there |
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| 22:10.15 | valdyn | afaict: you need to edit /etc/fstab |
| 22:10.17 | karsten | Feh. |
| 22:10.32 | karsten | Guerin: /msg me since you're silenced. That wasn't necessary. |
| 22:10.34 | gcosmin | Kjikaqawej your opinion>? |
| 22:10.34 | valdyn | afaict: and you need to regenerate the initrd |
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| 22:10.36 | afaict | valdyn: and initrd i need to open .. edit and gzip again |
| 22:10.43 | afaict | valdyn: i can regen using dpkg-reconfigure ? |
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| 22:11.03 | Kjikaqawej | gcosmin: your opinion of 'best' matters here, not mine |
| 22:11.11 | valdyn | afaict: probably, or read the manpage to update-initramfs |
| 22:11.23 | Kjikaqawej | gcosmin: since you're the one looking for something. i may like something you don't, etc. |
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| 22:12.01 | afaict | valdyn: i always did by hand... /init script of initrd has a bug @ debian... already reported and was fixed in unstable version.. |
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| 22:12.13 | gcosmin | Kjikaqawej i wana to try yours |
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| 22:12.23 | afaict | valdyn: installation CD still has the bug... |
| 22:12.25 | valdyn | afaict: i see, no idea about that bug |
| 22:12.26 | schoppenhauer | ok. again: thanks for the answers. my problem is solved now. |
| 22:12.32 | afaict | valdyn: np. ;) |
| 22:12.45 | Kjikaqawej | i used only one, but i liked it. bittornado |
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| 22:13.55 | valdyn | gcosmin: rtorrent |
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| 22:14.45 | afaict | valdyn: cant rename an active volume group / |
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| 22:15.16 | valdyn | afaict: why dont you just rename the other one |
| 22:15.48 | gcosmin | Kjikaqawej from where can i get meta files ? |
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| 22:15.48 | Kjikaqawej | gcosmin: dunno |
| 22:15.55 | Kjikaqawej | depends on what you're looking for |
| 22:16.26 | gcosmin | i open bittornado for my first time |
| 22:16.54 | afaict | valdyn: its in pendrive... it will not be easy... my pendrive has debian inside... installed and running.. i will need to change initrd of pendrive.. i dont want to change something that i had WORK to get it running |
| 22:16.58 | gcosmin | and he wana to open location for bittorrent meta files |
| 22:17.02 | valdyn | gcosmin: you're trying to use bittorrent w/o knowing what it actuall does and is? |
| 22:17.11 | Kjikaqawej | tab complete it, there's different versions. |
| 22:17.24 | Kjikaqawej | gcosmin: well yeh |
| 22:17.33 | valdyn | afaict: i see |
| 22:17.40 | valdyn | afaict: so use a livecd or somesuch |
| 22:17.44 | afaict | valdyn: i will boot |
| 22:17.51 | afaict | yeah... i will do it! :) |
| 22:17.55 | TapouT | is there a way to setup a router or a linux box to prefer a certain ip address on dhcp? like.. I wanna get 192.168.0.200 if it's available, if not... anything else |
| 22:18.06 | afaict | valdyn: vgrename, fstab and... initrd |
| 22:18.09 | afaict | valdyn: danke! |
| 22:18.10 | jelly-home | gcosmin: search for .torrent metafiles on various torrent search engines |
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| 22:18.24 | subx | TapouT: my netgear has that option |
| 22:18.37 | subx | i setup my LAN to use certain MAC addresses |
| 22:19.27 | TapouT | I wonder if I can setup a certain mac address in my d-link router to always give it a certain ip on dhcp.. probably eh.. I'll check it out.. it only really matters on my cable connection |
| 22:19.27 | gcosmin | jelly-home thanx |
| 22:19.51 | subx | TapouT you should be able to, look through all the menus |
| 22:19.59 | eldowan | TapouT: if you are using bind for dhcp, you can specify a 'static' dhcp address per mac. |
| 22:20.36 | eldowan | TapouT: oh second look, you aren't asking the question I am answering, so nevermind. |
| 22:20.38 | subx | yep u do that in /etc/network/interfaces IIRC |
| 22:20.38 | TapouT | eldowan, i'm using ifplugd .. so it auto dhcp's when it auto-senses the port going down.. I've got adsl+cable at home, I like to swap once in a while .. so I think router level would be better.. trying it router level |
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| 22:20.52 | gcosmin | and another problem |
| 22:21.00 | TapouT | thx guys |
| 22:21.05 | gcosmin | after I have install vnc |
| 22:21.10 | eldowan | TapouT: yeah, I usually use a debian box for my router. |
| 22:21.27 | gcosmin | what shoud i do to setup the resolution creen and start it |
| 22:21.42 | subx | eldowan: do u use IP tables? |
| 22:21.47 | eldowan | subx: indeed. |
| 22:22.11 | subx | i was thinking about making a freebsd pfsense firewall/router box one day |
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| 22:22.46 | eldowan | subx: good luck, I've heard horror stories about freebsd, though that was years ago. |
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| 22:23.42 | SmokeyD | hey guys any suggestions on how long a standard 2.6.18-4-686 kernel compilation will take (standard config, just changed CONFIG_PREEMPT) |
| 22:23.44 | subx | tomorrow im going to install postfix and build a home mail server |
| 22:23.51 | SmokeyD | on a 200MHz 64Mb Ram machine |
| 22:23.54 | SmokeyD | PII |
| 22:23.55 | gcosmin | if I have a monitor plugin my computer i can see with remote desktop resolution 1024 |
| 22:24.13 | gcosmin | but without it, i cant more than 640x... |
| 22:24.30 | eldowan | subx: I think I might get around to something similar once I get settled into my new place. First I think a mythtv setup is in order though. |
| 22:24.34 | gcosmin | what shod I do to have a biger resolution |
| 22:24.49 | peter_ | I have problem with dvd players. When I watch movie, I see stripes... in totem, also I see some pixels, looks like bad resolution ;/ I have tried xine, totem, vlc, mplayer. I have installed w32codecs, libdvdcss... what can I do with it? |
| 22:24.51 | subx | eldowan: i just installed mythtv + bind + vsftpd on my box |
| 22:24.52 | eldowan | gcosmin: have you dried this: !drxx |
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| 22:24.59 | pickcoder | SmokeyD: a while |
| 22:25.00 | subx | + nfs |
| 22:25.27 | eldowan | subx: how is mythtv? I tried a while ago, and it was pretty buggy. I think I got it from debian-multimedia or somesuch. |
| 22:25.35 | SmokeyD | pickcoder, longer than 4 hours you think? |
| 22:25.40 | eldowan | subx: I'm using nfs for a music server here currently. |
| 22:25.44 | pickcoder | probably |
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| 22:26.04 | SmokeyD | hmm, than I'll just go to bed early and finish it tomorrow :) |
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| 22:26.10 | SmokeyD | thanks pickcoder |
| 22:26.12 | chops | peter_: File a bug :-) |
| 22:26.29 | peter_ | chops, what do you mean? |
| 22:26.32 | subx | eldowan: there has been a recent bug fix release of mythtv |
| 22:26.37 | chops | !tell peter_ about bts |
| 22:26.44 | eldowan | subx: aah.. :D :D |
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| 22:26.53 | subx | mythtv r0x |
| 22:26.56 | valdyn | peter_: dvds do not need 'special' codecs at all |
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| 22:27.42 | TomRice | anyone know how to stop a particular cron job from emailing its result? i know you can set MAILTO="" in crontab but then none of them will send reports. i just want to stop one of them sending reports as it is run every 15 minutes lol |
| 22:27.49 | valdyn | peter_: you should post a screenshot somewhere, at least I have nfc what those 'stripes' are supposed to be or look like |
| 22:27.53 | SoulChild | what's a good sreencast programm ??? |
| 22:27.54 | gromm{CA} | So, I need to install qmail-autorespond. Which requires "bglibs-dev". Okay, fine. I do `apt-get install bglibs-dev`. Then I go into the source for qmail-autorespond, run `make`, and then try to run the binary it produces. It gives me this error message: "./qmail-autoresponder: error while loading shared libraries: libbg-sysdeps.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" So what, I'm supposed to sacrifice a chicken over the b |
| 22:27.59 | peter_ | valdyn, fine |
| 22:28.07 | sarefo | hi, any ideas how to tell a harddisk under debian etch to tell to go to sleep after say half an hour of inactivity? |
| 22:28.17 | valdyn | TomRice: dont let it output stuff |
| 22:28.17 | chops | TomRice: ">& /dev/null" at the end of the line is the easiest way |
| 22:28.32 | eldowan | peter_: I would try to rip a couple of chapters to the disk with mplayer, and try playing locally. It could be that for some reason it is having trouble decoding from the cdrom |
| 22:28.33 | TomRice | ok thanks :) i'll try that |
| 22:28.48 | slidesinger | Is there any advantage of one filesystem over another with regard to LVM? |
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| 22:28.58 | valdyn | slidesinger: sure |
| 22:28.59 | TomRice | ">& /dev/null" without the quotes i assume/ |
| 22:29.13 | peter_ | eldowan, ok, I will try |
| 22:29.25 | eldowan | peter_: do you know how to do that? |
| 22:29.27 | gromm{CA} | TomRice: yup |
| 22:29.29 | slidesinger | valdyn: any recommendations? |
| 22:29.31 | TomRice | cheers ;) |
| 22:29.49 | valdyn | slidesinger: do you have anything specific in mind? |
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| 22:30.09 | valdyn | slidesinger: features are pretty useless when you dont need them.. |
| 22:30.14 | x_link | s |
| 22:30.16 | eldowan | How would I go about giving a single user account privelages to use mount without sudo? |
| 22:30.40 | chops | eldowan: Add the 'user' option to the appropriate mount in /etc/fstab |
| 22:30.45 | gromm{CA} | valdyn: firefighters are pretty useless when you don't need them either. :) |
| 22:30.46 | slidesinger | At this point I am just setting up lvm2 on a file/print/mail server. |
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| 22:31.22 | peter_ | eldowan, by using mplayer I guess |
| 22:31.24 | eldowan | chops: thanks. Now I feel foolish, I should know that one. |
| 22:31.30 | slidesinger | valdyn: At this point I am just setting up lvm2 on a file/print/mail server. |
| 22:31.33 | chops | eldowan: np |
| 22:31.42 | eldowan | peter_: yes, I can give you the command to rip just a few chapters if you want. |
| 22:32.11 | chops | slidesinger: ext3 is always a good bet if you don't specifically know that you want features of some other filesystem |
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| 22:32.46 | valdyn | slidesinger: just go with ext3 |
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| 22:33.20 | eldowan | chops: wouldn't adding user allow any user to mount a specific mount? say I want to only allow one user to mount anything, how would that work? |
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| 22:33.49 | peter_ | eldowan, it would be nice |
| 22:33.50 | chops | eldowan: In that case you'd have to fool with sudo or a setuid script or something, yes |
| 22:34.04 | chops | eldowan: You could also just make the mount point somewhere where only that user can access as a cheapie solution |
| 22:34.06 | SoulChild | i want to make a screencast , which programm is good ? |
| 22:34.14 | eldowan | peter_: mplayer dvd://1 -chapter <start chapter>-<end chapter> -dumpstream -dumpfile <filename>.vob -benchmark |
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| 22:34.39 | eldowan | peter_: <start|end chapter> are numerals. the dvd://1 means title 1 |
| 22:34.44 | SmokeyD | shit.... I forgot to put the kernel compilation in a screen. Closed the ssh connection....... And now I can start over:S |
| 22:34.45 | slidesinger | That was my original plan. In the LVM docs, however, I read that he chose reiserfs because of the ability to resize. Can you synamically resize ext3 as well? |
| 22:34.49 | SmokeyD | stupid |
| 22:35.03 | valdyn | slidesinger: that's a fuecked up doc |
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| 22:35.23 | eldowan | chops: thats a nice cheap workaround. I don't think I would have thought of that. Thanks :D |
| 22:35.35 | valdyn | slidesinger: ext3 supports that, and supports doing it online, reiserfs does not |
| 22:35.36 | chops | eldowan: np |
| 22:35.59 | chops | slidesinger: Do not use reiserfs |
| 22:36.10 | peter_ | eldowan, ok, "core dumped ;)" and now what? |
| 22:36.20 | eldowan | peter_: mplayer <filename>.vob |
| 22:36.23 | chops | slidesinger: Once upon a time (even as recently as sarge) you couldn't resize ext3 online, but now you can. |
| 22:36.45 | slidesinger | Thank you all. |
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| 22:36.53 | eldowan | chops: other than the fact that reiser has few disaster recovery tools, why would you not recommend reiser? |
| 22:37.09 | easytiger_home | anyone installed git on latest deb? is there a doc anywhere im missing? |
| 22:37.20 | cafuego | it has disaster initiation tools |
| 22:37.42 | eldowan | cafuego: ooh, pretty :D |
| 22:37.53 | valdyn | eldowan: reiserfs has about no feature that makes it worth using over ext3, its not bad per se |
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| 22:38.26 | cafuego | It's a filesystem. You want it to be *stable*. Not fast and a bit stable, but STABLE. |
| 22:38.35 | chops | eldowan: reiserfs values performance over stability and flexibility. These are both poor tradeoffs in a production filesystem. |
| 22:38.36 | eldowan | valdyn: I guess now that ext3 supports online resizing, I can switch back to ext then. |
| 22:38.37 | peter_ | valdyn, eldowan http://www.winditup.ovh.org/problem/problem1.png (change number up to 7) |
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| 22:39.28 | valdyn | peter_: i dont actually see a problem |
| 22:39.37 | eldowan | peter_: that looks like interlacing. |
| 22:39.50 | eldowan | still scenes are OK, but motion lookes like a comb was taken through it? |
| 22:39.58 | valdyn | ah, on pic3 i can see it |
| 22:40.07 | peter_ | valdyn, look at woman face in picture 1 |
| 22:40.18 | valdyn | peter_: use as an added option in mplayer '-vf-add pp=li' |
| 22:40.52 | eldowan | peter_: could you pastebin mplayer -v <filename>.vob ? |
| 22:41.15 | eldowan | valdyn: what is pp=li I'm not familiar with that? |
| 22:41.22 | peter_ | eldowan, yes, but I riped chapter that looks good |
| 22:41.26 | valdyn | peter_: its not really an error per se, tv screens have just such a blurry picture that you dont see those stripes |
| 22:41.38 | valdyn | eldowan: adds a deinterlacer |
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| 22:42.10 | peter_ | valdyn, hm... I have never seen such things before, even on LCD |
| 22:42.37 | valdyn | peter_: deinterlacing is automatic on windows dvd players maybe |
| 22:42.38 | Kjikaqawej | you can see those stripes if you record a tv screen or monitor onto videotape or some other unframed/very fast framed medium |
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| 22:42.47 | valdyn | peter_: mplayer does nothing automagically |
| 22:42.55 | Kjikaqawej | then watch the playback ;) |
| 22:43.05 | valdyn | peter_: but try first, im not 100% sure its _really_ interlace |
| 22:43.35 | eldowan | peter_: usually with anime, the animation is encoded using 11 or 12fps, and interlaced like crazy to fit an ntsc screen. you usually won't see this with live action movies(dvd in the us) |
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| 22:44.01 | peter_ | eldowan, it is also on other movies |
| 22:44.07 | peter_ | eldowan, not anime |
| 22:44.11 | sandman | Does anyone here have experience running VirtualBox under Debian Etch? |
| 22:44.22 | valdyn | peter_: does my hint fix it? |
| 22:44.55 | peter_ | valdyn, :) im gonna try, but first I will paste mplayer -v for eldowan |
| 22:44.58 | maxamillion | sandman: me, i am right now |
| 22:45.07 | peter_ | eldowan, http://www.pastebin.ca/index.php |
| 22:45.23 | peter_ | eldowan, I cant rip other chapters... |
| 22:45.24 | eldowan | peter_: that will takes me to the front page |
| 22:45.25 | maxamillion | sandman: i run a wide array of operating systems in virtualbox on this machine |
| 22:45.38 | eldowan | do you have another link in the body that has the number in it? |
| 22:46.00 | valdyn | peter_: totem has a deinterlacer too btw, easy to activate in its menu |
| 22:46.14 | sandman | maxamillion: Have you been able to connect USB devices to it? |
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| 22:46.36 | sandman | It appears that my PDA (Toshiba e355 Pocket PC), when connected, creates a devnode called "ttyUSB0", which I just discovered while talking to you. |
| 22:46.47 | peter_ | valdyn, can I also add -vf-add pp=li somewhere in mplayer menus ? |
| 22:47.02 | eldowan | peter_: mplayer -vf-add pp=li <file> |
| 22:47.12 | sandman | Its GID is set to dialout. I just now added my user to it, but before this (and this may have not actually fixed it) VirtualBox would spit out an error about usbfs when I'd try and connect the PDA to the VM |
| 22:47.14 | valdyn | peter_: no idea, i have not used the mplayer GUI for years |
| 22:47.36 | eldowan | peter_: its easier to use the cli for this |
| 22:47.52 | maxamillion | sandman: uhmm... haven't tried ... let me try, just a moment |
| 22:47.56 | peter_ | :) guys, Im just a lame, speak easy to me xD what is cli ? :) |
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| 22:48.06 | valdyn | !cli |
| 22:48.06 | dpkg | well, cli is a Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around, of course Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. an x86 assembly instruction Common Language Infrastructure (See mono or .net), or http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6282&page=1 |
| 22:48.10 | eldowan | peter_: from the command line, or a terminal emulator |
| 22:48.23 | eldowan | valdyn: if you want to see his pastebin, it is here: http://www.pastebin.ca/623922 |
| 22:48.39 | eldowan | peter_: this is a PAL movie, yes? |
| 22:48.44 | eldowan | from europe or japan? |
| 22:48.50 | peter_ | eldowan, europe |
| 22:49.03 | sandman | maxamillion: Yup, still borken. |
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| 22:50.09 | eldowan | peter, unfortunately this didn't give me the output I was hoping for, do you see something like this when you play the movie from the command line? :demux_mpg: 24000/1001 fps progressive NTSC content detected, switching framerate. |
| 22:50.16 | maxamillion | sandman: yes, it appears to not work on my end either |
| 22:50.24 | valdyn | video on vesa, that's trouble, no? |
| 22:50.59 | sandman | maxamillion: I think this could potentially be a problem with Debian, and not VirtualBox, as I don't think it occurs on other distributions. Would you be able to test this? (I cannot) |
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| 22:51.31 | peter_ | eldowan, hm... it can be my foult, I cant rip "movie", just some spots |
| 22:51.56 | maxamillion | sandman: i can't either right now .... maybe tomorrow (i got off work in 10 minutes and all my machines are debian, but tomorrow i can grab a spare and test it on a couple different distros) |
| 22:52.07 | eldowan | peter_: no it wouldn't be your fault. the text I'm looking for is displayed while the movie is playing, but not anytime else, and a copy of the output won't show it. |
| 22:52.11 | peter_ | eldowan, mplayer dvd://1 -chapter 1-1 -dumpstream -dumpfile gits.vob -benchmark yes? |
| 22:52.29 | peter_ | eldowan, it gives me first stop |
| 22:52.31 | eldowan | peter_: that should only rip the first chapter in the first title. |
| 22:52.47 | peter_ | eldowan, yes, and how to go to another ? |
| 22:52.52 | peter_ | change -chapter 2-1 ? |
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| 22:53.17 | eldowan | peter_: 1-2 will rip the first two chapters 1-10 will rip the first 10 2-10 will rip 2 to 10 |
| 22:53.20 | valdyn | peter_: btw, do you own some dvds that play back fine? |
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| 22:53.40 | peter_ | ach I see |
| 22:53.45 | thrall | From what I can see, crontab doesn't work correctly on my system. I have a script ran daily and works fine when running it manually but not in crontab. |
| 22:53.47 | peter_ | valdyn, yes |
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| 22:54.21 | valdyn | that kind of proves that its an interlace thing.. |
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| 22:55.21 | thrall | It's not a PATH problem afaik so I'm thinking is there something you need to do to enable crontab or something? |
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| 22:55.47 | valdyn | thrall: no |
| 22:56.10 | peter_ | eldowan, http://www.pastebin.ca/623931 |
| 22:56.13 | valdyn | thrall: where is that script ? |
| 22:56.18 | eldowan | peter_: while playing the movie, hit D (the capital) and see if it makes ANY difference |
| 22:56.37 | thrall | valdyn: in /jail/bin |
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| 22:56.54 | thrall | 15 0 * * * /jail/bin/checkForUpdate.sh |
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| 22:57.07 | Thaiger | I thought there was a way to choose a new or additional apt source with something like dpkg-reconfigure apt-get, but no such luck, anyone have any ideas? |
| 22:57.10 | valdyn | thrall: you actually edited /etc/crontab? |
| 22:57.20 | thrall | no, crontab -e |
| 22:57.36 | peter_ | eldowan, no change |
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| 22:58.55 | valdyn | thrall: looks perfectly fine |
| 22:59.13 | valdyn | thrall: how do you know its not running? |
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| 22:59.54 | thrall | valdyn: because it's supposed to mail me when updates are available but it doesn't |
| 23:00.18 | valdyn | thrall: you did run 'crontab -e' as a user? |
| 23:00.45 | valdyn | thrall: i should probably see the script anyway |
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| 23:00.54 | peter_ | eldowan, riping movies cost lot of time ? |
| 23:00.57 | eldowan | peter_: hmmm. I would say post a short clip of the vob so I can take a look at it BUT, I believe that is illegal. |
| 23:01.15 | valdyn | thrall: check for yourself if it is executable.. |
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| 23:01.26 | thrall | the script is not the problem. |
| 23:01.28 | peter_ | eldowan, hm... but for what ? |
| 23:01.28 | eldowan | peter_: ripping the vobs to the drive? 20 minutes. encoding it into another format, much longer |
| 23:01.31 | thrall | 53 0 * * * echo "test" > /dev/pts/3 |
| 23:01.39 | thrall | ^ that didn't work either. |
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| 23:01.52 | peter_ | eldowan, ^^ 20 minutes ;) looks like im doing it now |
| 23:02.19 | eldowan | peter_: I believe that posting a copyrighted work without copy protection is a bad thing, espicially since I'm in the US and the DMCA and others are a pain. |
| 23:03.36 | osmosis | I can't figure out how to setup a second nic in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:04.21 | eldowan | peter, try this: mplayer <file> -vf-add pp=md |
| 23:04.30 | eldowan | look for any changes at all peter_ ^^ |
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| 23:05.53 | eldowan | peter_: wile the movie is playing, pres the D to switch between software deinterlacing and straight. you should see a difference, however small |
| 23:06.05 | valdyn | thrall: the cron stuff is fine, your script isnt |
| 23:06.16 | peter_ | eldowan, to be honest, I dont see any change (using Mplayer) |
| 23:07.02 | eldowan | peter_: yeah, i'm seeing the same thing. do you have mencoder installed? if so, I can walk you through encoding a chapter just to see if we can take the interlacing out. |
| 23:07.24 | thrall | valdyn: The script is fine since it works totally fine when I run it manually. |
| 23:07.30 | peter_ | eldowan, I have clean Etch |
| 23:07.55 | valdyn | thrall: nah, you miss something |
| 23:07.57 | thrall | Anyway, if cron would work, Why doesn't it echo test to my terminal? |
| 23:08.08 | eldowan | peter_: is mplayer in etch now? |
| 23:08.30 | peter_ | eldowan, hm... yes, I have debian-multimedia added to my sources.list but nothing more |
| 23:08.49 | eldowan | peter_: aah, you should be able to install mencoder from there too. |
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| 23:09.09 | peter_ | eldowan, yes, Installed already |
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| 23:09.44 | peter_ | eldowan, but I started ripping movie, stop it? |
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| 23:11.07 | eldowan | peter_: do you still have the short clip? |
| 23:11.32 | peter_ | eldowan, yes, but accualy this clip is in good |
| 23:11.41 | eldowan | peter_: I don't understand |
| 23:11.57 | peter_ | eldowan, this clip is fine, there is no stipes |
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| 23:12.39 | valdyn | thrall: maybe you forgot the terminating newline |
| 23:13.20 | semprix | hello :) |
| 23:13.21 | eldowan | peter_: aah. |
| 23:13.23 | semprix | gud evening |
| 23:13.52 | Hammar | can anyone point me to a good source for instructions concerning an upgrade etch->lenny? |
| 23:15.19 | thrall | valdyn: terminating newline? |
| 23:15.40 | valdyn | thrall: <enter> |
| 23:15.43 | eldowan | Hammar: I'm not sure, but it should be as easy as changing your /etc/apt/sources.list to reflect lenny and doing aptitude update && aptitude upgrade && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 23:15.56 | peter_ | eldowan, ok, I have few minutes of movie riped |
| 23:16.02 | eldowan | !tell hammar about etch->lenny |
| 23:16.16 | eldowan | peter_: does that have any problem spots? |
| 23:17.11 | Hammar | eldowan: thanks so far. are any losses of configuration files or the like to be expected? |
| 23:17.25 | peter_ | eldowan, I dont know... wait I have to bit more |
| 23:17.48 | eldowan | Hammar: I didn't have any issues when I upgraded, but I did the switch just as lenny was released. |
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| 23:18.01 | rockets | Is it ok to delete the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 23:18.03 | peter_ | I have to see bit more |
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| 23:18.18 | valdyn | rockets: run apt-get clean |
| 23:18.24 | rockets | valdyn, thanks |
| 23:18.31 | eldowan | peter_: you can use the left and right arrows to seek in the file. though it might not work if you are still ripping |
| 23:18.46 | thrall | valdyn: why would I need to press enter when running a simple echo command in crontab? i don't get it. |
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| 23:19.11 | valdyn | thrall: each line in a crontab needs to be terminated by a newline |
| 23:19.31 | eldowan | this will let crontab know that it has reached the end of a command, correct? |
| 23:19.32 | valdyn | thrall: naturally you can only skip that <enter> in the last line.. |
| 23:20.43 | thrall | valdyn: oh, you mean like that. it's worth a shot. |
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| 23:23.24 | Hammar | when sending an eMail using Evolution I get a "broken pipe" error even though gpg (&gpg2) are installed and the recipients public key is known... any suggestions? |
| 23:24.24 | peter_ | eldowan, valdyn using -vf-add pp=li eliminate problem |
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| 23:28.53 | eldowan | peter_: great, that is the deinterlace filter that does the following (fromthe mplayer manpage): |
| 23:28.53 | eldowan | li/linipoldeint |
| 23:28.53 | eldowan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:29.14 | eldowan | valdyn: good call |
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| 23:29.53 | eldowan | peter_: I usually use mplayer to do encoding, not watching dvds. valdyn, I'll make sure to keep that in mind for future cases. |
| 23:30.13 | jetscreamer | mencoder |
| 23:30.19 | Hammar | what would you recommend? Icedove&Enigmail or Evolution? |
| 23:30.27 | eldowan | jetscreamer: I stand corrected |
| 23:30.34 | valdyn | Hammar: sylpheed |
| 23:30.37 | peter_ | valdyn, you said that in totem I can easy turn it on yes? |
| 23:30.42 | valdyn | peter_: sure |
| 23:30.55 | peter_ | it is called linipoldeint ? |
| 23:30.57 | jetscreamer | i usually use xine-ui to watch, mencoder to encode |
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| 23:31.01 | eldowan | peter_: if you are interested in using mplayer/mencoder to encode dvds, I recommend looking here: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML-single/en/MPlayer.html#menc-feat-vcd-dvd-all-pal-dvd |
| 23:31.12 | eldowan | peter_: that is the long name for the filter, yes |
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| 23:31.51 | eldowan | jetscreamer: do you have any experience using mencoder to do 2pass mpeg2 encodes / ac3 sound? |
| 23:32.39 | Hammar | valdyn: why sylpheed over claws mail? (yes of course i will compare them myself, but i'm interested in your opinion) |
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| 23:33.36 | valdyn | Hammar: i havent really done more than a quick look at claws |
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| 23:33.39 | jetscreamer | eldowan: yeah some but i gotta go |
| 23:33.41 | jetscreamer | #mplayer |
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| 23:34.09 | valdyn | Hammar: i know sylpheed, i actually use daily.. mutt |
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| 23:34.51 | TiMiDo | anyone here knows how to download the java plugin for mozilla? |
| 23:34.53 | valdyn | Hammar: icedove is ok too, evolution is junk |
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| 23:35.19 | thrall | valdyn: that did it. thank you. didn't know what to think ^^ |
| 23:35.49 | valdyn | thrall: its in the manpage, but i actually already saw other people do this error and fix it.. |
| 23:36.13 | abrotman | TiMiDo: /msg dpkg java mozilla |
| 23:36.25 | TiMiDo | nothing came up |
| 23:36.27 | TiMiDo | !java mozilla |
| 23:36.32 | TiMiDo | you see |
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| 23:36.41 | valdyn | TiMiDo: on which debian release? |
| 23:36.43 | peter_ | eldowan, so, does other people dont have to use linipoldeint? |
| 23:36.48 | Hammar | valdyn: you are right. an email-client that doesnt store sent mails in the accounts folder but in a local "sent items" folder and does not allow me to tell it otherwise...classifies as junk |
| 23:36.49 | TiMiDo | valdyn, on lenny |
| 23:36.51 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 23:36.53 | abrotman | !mozilla java |
| 23:36.53 | dpkg | i guess mozilla-java is First, read <install java>. Now go to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ and make a symlink to /usr/local/jwhatever//plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so (and repeat this procedure for every web browser you have installed). An alternate installation procedure is described in <mozilla-java-bis>. For FireFox compliance, ask <firefox java> |
| 23:36.58 | abrotman | i was close! |
| 23:37.11 | valdyn | Hammar: to me its junk because its exponentially slower than the others |
| 23:37.20 | abrotman | TiMiDo: if you have non-free/contrib sources .. there is the jre package already |
| 23:37.24 | TiMiDo | isn't there any package? |
| 23:37.28 | TiMiDo | abrotman, what is it called? |
| 23:37.38 | valdyn | TiMiDo: arch too |
| 23:37.41 | eldowan | peter_: it completely depends on the video source. |
| 23:37.56 | abrotman | sun-java5-plugin and sun-java5-jre |
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| 23:38.14 | SoulChild | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 23:38.14 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 23:38.15 | abrotman | !info sun-java5-jre lenny |
| 23:38.18 | dpkg | sun-java5-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (architecture independent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-11-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 7287 kB, Installed size: 16168 kB |
| 23:38.24 | peter_ | valdyn, I cant find it in totem ;/ can you help me? |
| 23:38.36 | valdyn | peter_: i dont speak or read polish |
| 23:38.45 | thrall | valdyn: even if I had seen it in the manpage I doubt I would have solved it. dunno if it was because i changed EDITOR to emacs and that emacs doesn't add a newline. because i've never had this problem before... |
| 23:38.57 | TiMiDo | sun-java5-jre is already the newest version |
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| 23:39.07 | valdyn | peter_: View -> Deinterlace |
| 23:39.10 | peter_ | valdyn, yes, but you could see if it is there (I cant find anything about it) |
| 23:39.56 | jetscreamer | try java6 |
| 23:40.25 | valdyn | peter_: if you run "LC_ALL=C totem" you should see just that , in english |
| 23:40.58 | peter_ | valdyn, ok, it is in english |
| 23:41.03 | valdyn | peter_: mind, there's totem-xine and totem-gstreamer, i use the -xine, i dont know if the other has it |
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| 23:41.57 | abrotman | TiMiDo: there's also the plugin package |
| 23:42.05 | TiMiDo | abrotman, what is it aclled/ |
| 23:42.07 | TiMiDo | *called |
| 23:42.12 | abrotman | sun-java5-plugin and sun-java5-jre |
| 23:42.19 | abrotman | lenny also has java6 |
| 23:42.44 | TiMiDo | abrotman, i have those plugins |
| 23:42.49 | valdyn | peter_: got it? |
| 23:42.56 | abrotman | then it should magically work! |
| 23:43.47 | abrotman | lag lag lag |
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| 23:44.50 | peter_ | valdyn, hm... well, when I want to install totem-gstreamer it says it will remove totem-xine, but there is no totem-xine in my repo. When I launch totem and "about program" information there is written "uses xine-lib version 1.1.2" - is that mean I have totem xine? |
| 23:45.17 | valdyn | !info totem-xine |
| 23:45.22 | dpkg | totem-xine: (A simple media player for the Gnome desktop based on xine), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.18.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2358 kB, Installed size: 6892 kB |
| 23:45.25 | valdyn | peter_: keep totem-xine |
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| 23:45.39 | utopia_ | Linux,Mac and Microsoft are blending one OS together! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NeR2LyILWQ |
| 23:45.54 | valdyn | peter_: lenny does miss packages from time to time, that's expected |
| 23:46.02 | abrotman | utopia_: go away |
| 23:46.09 | peter_ | valdyn, Im on Etch |
| 23:46.13 | abrotman | TiMiDo: do you get an error ? |
| 23:46.20 | valdyn | !info totem-xine etch |
| 23:46.25 | dpkg | totem-xine: (A simple media player for the Gnome desktop based on xine), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.16.5-3 (etch), Packaged size: 2005 kB, Installed size: 6080 kB |
| 23:46.31 | utopia_ | Look @ the link abrotman |
| 23:46.39 | abrotman | piss off and die |
| 23:46.47 | utopia_ | ;\ |
| 23:46.51 | utopia_ | grow a sense of humour |
| 23:46.55 | valdyn | utopia_: is that video funny? |
| 23:46.58 | utopia_ | or reach for some prescription pills! |
| 23:47.09 | utopia_ | valdyn, yep! |
| 23:47.20 | eldowan | abrotman: howdy |
| 23:47.20 | utopia_ | computer humour so you should find it funny |
| 23:47.22 | abrotman | utopia_: do you have a debian-related question ? |
| 23:47.37 | abrotman | moron |
| 23:47.41 | abrotman | eldowan: hi |
| 23:47.49 | utopia_ | Zz! |
| 23:48.53 | peter_ | valdyn, I have xine... meaby there can I switch it on ? |
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| 23:50.12 | valdyn | peter_: you're so damn confused |
| 23:50.21 | valdyn | peter_: you have totem-xine installed , you said |
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| 23:50.54 | valdyn | peter_: so if you run totem, that's totem with xine backend |
| 23:51.39 | peter_ | valdyn, ok, so totem-xine is a totem that runs xine-libs yes? |
| 23:52.24 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.13 | LinuxNIT-II | any idea why my iriver h340 mp3 player wont show up even after modprobing usb-storage and sd_mod? |
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| 23:54.18 | eldowan | OT: I hate everything nowdays has to have an 'i' prepended to it /OT |
| 23:55.27 | peter_ | valdyn, I found it :) thanks man, sorry if I have you know ;))) nerve you :) |
| 23:55.29 | karsten | eldowan: iDoToo |
| 23:55.30 | peter_ | dont know the word |
| 23:56.01 | eldowan | !bear karsten |
| 23:56.18 | utopia_ | no worries piotir / Peter_ |
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| 23:56.25 | valdyn | peter_: annoyed |
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| 23:56.32 | peter_ | :) |
| 23:56.45 | eldowan | peter_: how do you pronounce Peter? |
| 23:57.14 | peter_ | Peter in polish means Piotrek |
| 23:57.19 | eldowan | I've a freind from poland, IIRC, and he pronounces his name petr |
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| 23:57.29 | utopia_ | whats piotir mean then Peter_ |
| 23:57.34 | peter_ | petr is like "mr peter' |
| 23:57.45 | utopia_ | lol are you serious |
| 23:57.54 | utopia_ | thats what my polish friend has me call him |
| 23:58.15 | peter_ | :) you can call him piotrus :) |
| 23:58.24 | eldowan | peter_: so thats a formal version then? petr? |
| 23:58.25 | peter_ | it means little boy peter :) |
| 23:58.30 | utopia_ | LOL |
| 23:59.09 | peter_ | eldowan, dont know if in english is formal Peter... in polish we got Piotr, Piotrek, Piotrus |
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| 23:59.36 | valdyn | peter_: in english there's no formal version for such names |
| 23:59.38 | peter_ | Piotr = formal, piotrek = normal Piotrus no formal |
