| 00:00.14 | eldowan | how is the io pronounced? like eye-oh? |
| 00:00.39 | valdyn | eldowan: eo |
| 00:00.44 | valdyn | eldowan: -e-o- |
| 00:00.49 | eldowan | long E long O? |
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| 00:01.06 | peter_ | hm... in english "e" spels like "i" |
| 00:01.07 | valdyn | eldowan: very short o |
| 00:01.17 | peter_ | I mean, english "e" in polish mean "i" |
| 00:01.18 | valdyn | peter_: yea |
| 00:01.33 | valdyn | peter_: right, that's what i said |
| 00:01.35 | peter_ | and english "a" in polish "e" |
| 00:01.49 | eldowan | hmmm. quite interesting. |
| 00:01.58 | peter_ | not at all ;) |
| 00:01.59 | valdyn | ah, o in piotr like o in bot |
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| 00:02.13 | valdyn | i would guess |
| 00:02.18 | peter_ | yes, like in bot |
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| 00:02.42 | peter_ | :) |
| 00:03.04 | eldowan | I think karsten means #debian-how-to-pronounce-piotr |
| 00:03.23 | karsten | eldowan: Pardon, I couldn't understand your accent. |
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| 00:03.52 | peter_ | utopia_, lot of people says Piotrus for Peter :) And for most of as, we dont like it :) so we ant to call as Piotr - hard way, like mr Piotr |
| 00:04.07 | Hammar | valdyn: thanks again for recommending slypheed! that is just what i was looking for |
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| 00:04.27 | valdyn | Hammar: nice |
| 00:05.00 | eldowan | kaesten: this better? #debian-how-to-pronounce-p[ee][o]tr |
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| 00:05.49 | ubuntu__ | could someone help me with the partitioning part for Ubuntu? |
| 00:06.11 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu |
| 00:06.11 | valdyn | ubuntu__: sure, in the channel #ubuntu |
| 00:06.12 | eldowan | ubuntu__: you might have better luck in #ubuntu ... |
| 00:06.26 | ubuntu__ | ok thanks |
| 00:06.32 | karsten | eldowan: He didn't understand your accent, he speaks ubuntu. |
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| 00:07.45 | eldowan | karsten: when did we start the discussion of different debian dialects, and which parties understand those? |
| 00:07.50 | eldowan | ;) |
| 00:08.08 | karsten | eldowan: Recently. |
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| 00:10.47 | peter_ | ok bye :) |
| 00:11.21 | emmanuel | ; |
| 00:11.22 | emmanuel | e |
| 00:11.24 | emmanuel | be;; |
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| 00:26.24 | Nyle | hola |
| 00:26.30 | Nyle | eldowan: hi |
| 00:26.38 | Nyle | eldowan: long time no see bro |
| 00:26.45 | eldowan | PM |
| 00:28.07 | Nyle | yup |
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| 00:30.49 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 00:30.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd146 is <penguin> If I run a command int the background like $command & <penguin> What happens if I turn the computer off |
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| 00:31.06 | krazykit | haha |
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| 00:31.14 | krazykit | that's ludicrous. |
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| 00:32.17 | karsten | Well, it depends... |
| 00:32.25 | karsten | .... if you background turning off the computer.... ;-) |
| 00:32.46 | dkr | or if you were logged into a remote shell, :) |
| 00:33.14 | krazykit | if you can shutdown on a remote shell, you better damn well know what you're doing anyway :P |
| 00:34.04 | abrotman | if you can ? |
| 00:34.15 | krazykit | well, if you have that access |
| 00:34.24 | mb | may i ask for some help about apt-proxy or apt-cacher ; both seems dead |
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| 00:34.34 | karsten | krazykit: And parents should require state-issued kid licenses before having sex. |
| 00:34.35 | abrotman | one would assume if you have the access you know what you're doing |
| 00:34.36 | valdyn | mb: dead? |
| 00:34.46 | karsten | mb: You certainly may. |
| 00:34.49 | karsten | !tell mb about ask |
| 00:34.52 | valdyn | mb: maybe ask a real question |
| 00:34.53 | krazykit | karsten, damn right, if they're trying to have kids. |
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| 00:35.02 | mb | I mean seems not function |
| 00:35.20 | karsten | !tell mb about smart questions |
| 00:35.35 | karsten | mb: You're going to have to give us a bit more to go on than "doesn't work". |
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| 00:36.22 | valdyn | !info apt-proxy |
| 00:36.24 | dpkg | apt-proxy: (Debian archive proxy and partial mirror builder), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.9.36 (sid), Packaged size: 81 kB, Installed size: 428 kB |
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| 00:36.43 | limpio | hi, when i run 'top', in the cpu line i get: 1 zombie. Is that something to worry about? |
| 00:36.51 | valdyn | limpio: no |
| 00:36.53 | valdyn | !zombie |
| 00:36.54 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 00:37.12 | limpio | valdyn, thx pal! |
| 00:37.18 | valdyn | limpio: it can be the consequence of something serious |
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| 00:37.39 | valdyn | limpio: its always the consequence of a bug |
| 00:37.44 | mb | ok ; I installed apt-cacher, config file, lauch demon, and tried to use it at address http://localhost:3142 ; but nothing happens |
| 00:38.02 | karsten | limpio: Depends. How's your garlic supply? |
| 00:38.13 | limpio | hehe! |
| 00:39.01 | mzb | mb: check it's listening: # netstat -nap | grep 3142 |
| 00:39.08 | mzb | mb: check logs in /var/log/apt-cacher/ |
| 00:39.29 | mzb | mb: probably permissions error |
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| 00:40.51 | limpio | is there a way of finding the parent process? |
| 00:41.23 | mb | il says tcp 0 0.0.0.0:3142 0.0.0.0:* Listen 3267/perl ; /var/log/apt-cacher/error.log says apt-cacher started with debug output enabled, accepting connections ... but nothing ; about permissions ? what should be done exactly ? |
| 00:41.30 | cureless | limpio: you can use the "f" option to ps to show the "forest" |
| 00:42.11 | limpio | cureless, you mean type 'f' in top? |
| 00:42.24 | sandman | Anyone here use Raki? |
| 00:42.38 | cureless | limpio: I mean ps not top |
| 00:42.47 | limpio | ok |
| 00:42.51 | mzb | mb: check ownership of /var/cache/apt-cacher |
| 00:42.52 | cureless | limpio: for example: ps afx |
| 00:42.59 | limpio | ok |
| 00:43.20 | mzb | mb: and also /var/log/apt-cacher |
| 00:43.34 | mzb | mb: both need to be owned by www-data:www-data |
| 00:44.16 | limpio | cureless, ok, what am i looking for? |
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| 00:44.27 | yos | hi |
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| 00:44.56 | cureless | limpio: what are you looking for? there should be a "tree" structure and you should be able to see the parent |
| 00:44.57 | yos | how i install jetty on debiam ? |
| 00:45.01 | mzb | mb: double check your config: # egrep -v "^$|^#" /etc/apt-cacher/apt-cacher.conf |
| 00:45.12 | limpio | cureless, ahh, ok |
| 00:45.14 | mzb | mb: if still problems set debug=1 in config |
| 00:45.27 | mb | ownership are www-data:www-data for /var/cache/apt-cacher/{headers,import,packages,private,temp} |
| 00:45.57 | mb | same for /var/cache/apt-cacher |
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| 00:46.22 | mzb | mb: and /var/log/apt-cacher ? |
| 00:48.03 | mb | debug=1 already ; /var/log/apt-cacher is www-data:www-data as /var/log/apt-cacher/{access.log,error.log} |
| 00:48.21 | mb | but /var/cache/apt-cacher/report.html is root:root |
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| 00:50.49 | yos | how i install Jetty ? |
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| 00:51.33 | gonzaloaf | hi, I have upgraded my system and now my gnome system sounds doesnt play, what could have happened? |
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| 00:53.15 | abrotman | isn't jetty long deprecated ? |
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| 00:54.16 | mb | mzb : i sent egrep.txt (no flood) |
| 00:55.14 | mzb | mb: your config isn't going to help me, I just suggested checking it for sanity (ie. location of dirs) |
| 00:55.40 | mb | all seems ok |
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| 00:56.07 | xacier | anyone know a place a list of street jargon language, like sh*t... etc |
| 00:56.19 | abrotman | urbandictionary.com |
| 00:56.24 | valdyn | yos: what's jetty? |
| 00:56.33 | xacier | me dunno |
| 00:56.34 | abrotman | valdyn: i think it's the old way to do jsp |
| 00:56.44 | mzb | mb: can you (or have you) tried running apt-cacher as root with debug enabled? |
| 00:56.50 | abrotman | xacier: urbandictionary.com |
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| 00:56.58 | xacier | cool, thx |
| 00:57.04 | mzb | mb: I think report.html needs to be www-data:www-data as well (mine is) |
| 00:57.20 | mb | location of dirs ok ; debug=1, limit=0, clean_cache=1 |
| 00:57.29 | valdyn | mzb: apt-cacher really needs any of these files to be fixed manually? |
| 00:57.33 | abrotman | http://www.mortbay.org/ |
| 00:57.35 | mzb | mb: don't forget if you've run it as root your permissions are probably screwed |
| 00:57.39 | abrotman | valdyn: ^^ |
| 00:58.08 | mzb | valdyn: I don't remember ... but I _do_ remember that running it as root (to test it) eventually catches up with you :) |
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| 00:58.11 | mb | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.20 | valdyn | abrotman: oh my, why would i want this |
| 00:58.46 | mzb | mb: right, open another term and tail everything in the apt-cacher logdir, then try restarting apt-cacher |
| 00:58.57 | abrotman | valdyn: same reason people drink budweiser |
| 00:59.28 | mb | well chown www-data:www-data on report.html |
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| 01:00.51 | yos | abrotman you know jetty ? |
| 01:01.04 | abrotman | i have *zero* interest in jetty |
| 01:01.05 | abrotman | try #java |
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| 01:01.26 | yos | abrotman 10x |
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| 01:02.13 | mb | as always, the only log changing is error.log saying started or received sigterm (when i stop) and nothing more |
| 01:02.44 | valdyn | mb: is that thing publically accessible? |
| 01:03.10 | bozi | convert ... -draw 'text 10,20 alpha $alpha' .... |
| 01:03.11 | yos | tomcat ? install |
| 01:03.25 | valdyn | !tell yos -about ask |
| 01:03.25 | abrotman | apt-cache search tomcat .. install one .. read the docs .. have a nice day |
| 01:03.26 | bozi | how can i get this working with the variable? |
| 01:03.45 | abrotman | maybe double quotes ? |
| 01:04.29 | mb | when i /etc/init.d/apt-cacher start ; /var/log/apt-cachere/error.log : date|local|debug|apt-cacher started with debug output enabled, accepting connections ... |
| 01:04.36 | baddisk | when i reinstalled debian on my laptop last time, i went with the lvm / luks option of the Etch install. unfortunately my hard disk is dying and i don't know if it's possible to recover the data from a live cd. any help would be greatly appreciated |
| 01:05.05 | bozi | no abrotman, it is a line in a shellscript btw |
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| 01:05.26 | valdyn | baddisk: its possible. |
| 01:05.46 | mb | and at /etc/init.d/apt-cacher stop : /var/lo../err.log : received SIGTERM, terminating |
| 01:05.52 | abrotman | bozi: see if #bash has an idea |
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| 01:06.43 | valdyn | mzb: does he actually have a valid ( for apt-cacher ) sources.list ? |
| 01:07.22 | valdyn | mb: that log output is perfectly ok, i just dont see you going any accesses to apt-cacher |
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| 01:07.38 | mb | thing yes : allowed_locations=ftp.debian.org,security.debian.org |
| 01:08.06 | easytiger_home | anyone used, or heard stories of using that electric netwrok ethernet stuff on linux? |
| 01:08.28 | baddisk | valdyn, i've done some googling and didn't find anything hopeful. do you know of any resources that may help? |
| 01:08.47 | valdyn | baddisk: like the lvm manpage? |
| 01:09.04 | valdyn | baddisk: or the lvm website? or the luks website? |
| 01:09.15 | valdyn | baddisk: hard to imagine you wouldnt find that on google |
| 01:09.59 | mb | nothing to do at /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} ? both server and clients are on same computer anyway |
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| 01:10.41 | mb | client is asking : http://localhost:3142/ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
| 01:11.07 | abrotman | easytiger_home: i'm not sure why it wouldn't work |
| 01:11.18 | xacier | LOL there are tons *motherfucker* songs on amazon |
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| 01:11.35 | level1 | Hi, I think klauncher crashed, because whenever I try to start a program from any gui method, it crashes, saying it couldn't start klauncher. I can still start things from the command line, but they have some things broken. Is this a big deal? I can just relogin or reboot |
| 01:11.40 | xacier | Amazon.co.uk: Motherfuckers Be Trippin': Music: Supersuckers |
| 01:11.45 | abrotman | xacier: stop already |
| 01:11.56 | xacier | oups, sorry |
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| 01:13.22 | mb | well, mzb, valdyn thank you for having tried to help me |
| 01:13.36 | mzb | mb: still not working? |
| 01:14.01 | Nyle | OH MY FUCKING GOD ubuntu sucks. I'm sorry I have to say this here but I must vent. ubuntu sucks and debian rules. I will never again betray debian by using ubuntu. I learned my lesson. I have almost no hair left on my head ever since I started ubuntu last week, CUZ I PULLED EM ALL OUT. |
| 01:14.09 | Nyle | thank you for listening. I am going to go install debian |
| 01:14.34 | valdyn | Nyle: how so? |
| 01:14.39 | Nyle | dude |
| 01:14.41 | Nyle | nothing fucking works |
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| 01:14.46 | Nyle | oh umm gee oooh aah |
| 01:14.48 | baddisk | Nyle, you still haven't earned your loyalty card. |
| 01:14.52 | Nyle | install ubuntu cuz it work sout of the box |
| 01:14.58 | Nyle | bull fucking shit. |
| 01:15.08 | Nyle | anyway, I have to go get the debian netinstall kernel/initrd |
| 01:15.09 | valdyn | Nyle: you mean its buggy compared to sid or what? |
| 01:15.35 | Nyle | valdyn: dude ubuntu is a load of crap. you can't ever find ubuntu specific support in #ubuntu cuz no one fucking knows anything more than apt-get install xmms |
| 01:15.43 | Nyle | its just fucking irritating |
| 01:15.44 | baddisk | Nyle, i get you. calm down a little... |
| 01:15.47 | Nyle | ASdflk;ajsl;dkfjasdkl; |
| 01:15.50 | Nyle | im out |
| 01:15.56 | valdyn | Nyle: oh, support |
| 01:16.08 | valdyn | Nyle: sure #debian > most |
| 01:16.22 | Nyle | valdyn: dude you're cool. letme go now before I flip out :) |
| 01:16.28 | Nyle | im gonna go and just fucking i dunno what |
| 01:16.29 | Nyle | bye |
| 01:16.34 | valdyn | Nyle: sry, just curious |
| 01:16.47 | Nyle | valdyn: don't be. you're a good man. stay that way |
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| 01:18.53 | Nyle | ok |
| 01:18.58 | mb | still not working |
| 01:18.59 | Nyle | sid is now installing over netboot |
| 01:19.03 | Nyle | ok so anyway |
| 01:19.48 | Nyle | valdyn: it all started cuz amarok won't play mp3s. I looked around for half hour, gave up, and asked in #ubuntu. They tried to help me but no dice. Can't get mp3s to play in ubuntu, they said they took out mp3 support cuz its proprietary or some such bullshit |
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| 01:20.18 | Nyle | I am just so sick and tired of ubuntu and its ubuntards. Whoever told me to use ubuntu, I'm gonna go and kick his ass tomorrow at work |
| 01:20.26 | Nyle | "oh, use 7.04, its the best" |
| 01:20.35 | Nyle | yeh, that dude is gonna get my boot up his ass tomorrow |
| 01:20.35 | gravity | Nyle: Please don't bash other distros here |
| 01:20.39 | Nyle | sorry man |
| 01:20.40 | baddisk | Nyle, you couldn't figure out how to add a repository? |
| 01:20.42 | Nyle | I'm just ahh |
| 01:20.43 | Nyle | fuck it |
| 01:20.45 | gravity | Let's stick to how much debian kicks ass instead |
| 01:20.50 | sn0 | Nyle to be fair (i try to help in both channels) you were provided the link that explains restricted drivers and why they aren't installed by default |
| 01:20.51 | liable | anyway, you were the one who installed it |
| 01:20.53 | Nyle | you're right dude |
| 01:20.54 | Nyle | my bad |
| 01:21.05 | Nyle | but still, on a last note, it really does suck. |
| 01:21.10 | Supaplex | *hiccup* |
| 01:21.21 | Nyle | liable: yeh, I dunno why :( |
| 01:21.39 | Nyle | fuck it, sid is being isntalled i'll be back in debian's blissful land of unstable packages |
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| 01:21.56 | Supaplex | you mean debians' |
| 01:22.12 | liable | gravity: what happened to beryl hitting the repos? i thought there were some minor liscensing issues that were being resolved months ago? |
| 01:22.19 | baddisk | (now if it were something difficult, like trying to recover an encrypted partition on a failing disk... ;-) |
| 01:22.28 | Nyle | dude, evertime I have tried to give ubuntu an honest shot, I've been frustrated. DEBIAN IS KING BABY! |
| 01:22.59 | Nyle | no matter what goes wrong my any of my sid boxes, I never feel like killing random things. with ubuntu it makes me want to go homicidal. |
| 01:23.02 | Nyle | im gonna shut up now |
| 01:23.12 | Supaplex | !win Nyle |
| 01:23.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, Nyle! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 01:23.21 | Supaplex | wooo nice. |
| 01:23.28 | Supaplex | wait. ;) |
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| 01:23.58 | gravity | liable: Our beryl maintainer decided to stop working on it. We've got someone new working on the compiz-fusion stuff instead. Check out http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz for his current thoughts |
| 01:24.09 | liable | danke |
| 01:24.18 | Nyle | gravity: sweet |
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| 01:25.11 | Supaplex | *hiccup* |
| 01:25.23 | Nyle | and its not like i used ubuntu for a like a few hours |
| 01:25.29 | Nyle | I honestly gave it a full 2 week shot |
| 01:25.33 | Nyle | miserable |
| 01:25.37 | Nyle | oh here I go again.. argh. |
| 01:25.53 | Nyle | debiandebiandebiandebiandebiandebiandebian. |
| 01:26.08 | Nyle | liable: :( |
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| 01:26.33 | Nyle | oh man |
| 01:26.37 | abrotman | yay! |
| 01:26.52 | Nyle | I was gonna quit but fuck it. I'm gonna go get high and configure my sid desktop for use |
| 01:26.58 | mzb | mb: I do remember struggling with apt-cacher at first, but now I have two daemons running with separate cache and log dirs (one for debian, other for ubuntu) |
| 01:27.07 | valdyn | baddisk: grml supports lvm ( as does probably any other livecd ), i know nothing bout luks ( http://www.grml.org/ ) |
| 01:27.26 | mzb | mb: I am almost certain that all the problems I had were permission related |
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| 01:27.45 | mzb | mb: google for docs on apt-cacher setup for debian |
| 01:27.55 | mzb | mb: (re: permissions) |
| 01:28.22 | Nyle | gravity: if I may ask, I don't know the details of it. Ubuntu has xorg-driver-fglrx package, no need to compile any modules. Is it possible to have this package, and put it into non-free or something like the fglrx? must we compile from source? |
| 01:28.25 | mb | mzb: thanks for the hint |
| 01:28.32 | Nyle | gravity: or it is not possible due to some legal issues |
| 01:28.34 | mzb | np |
| 01:28.43 | gravity | Nyle: It is in non-free already |
| 01:28.47 | Nyle | oh it is |
| 01:28.48 | valdyn | Nyle: debian usually has that too |
| 01:28.51 | Nyle | well i'll be damned |
| 01:29.03 | Supaplex | rsync yikes. 204216 files to consider |
| 01:29.05 | Nyle | !fglrx |
| 01:29.06 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 01:29.07 | gravity | I think Ubuntu probably had that one first. We tend to care a lot less about non-free stuff |
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| 01:29.10 | slack101 | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 01:29.13 | slack101 | is that right ? |
| 01:29.23 | Supaplex | !tell slack101 -about sources.list |
| 01:29.26 | Nyle | is the factoid still accurate about 7.1? |
| 01:29.37 | slack101 | i have it right |
| 01:29.40 | slack101 | its just not working |
| 01:29.46 | Supaplex | !don't work |
| 01:29.46 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 01:30.20 | Nyle | gravity: so I hear 3d support for X1900XT in oss ati drivers |
| 01:30.31 | Nyle | i hope soon |
| 01:30.35 | abrotman | slack101: so try another mirror |
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| 01:30.46 | man_in_ltop | does anyone here have experience configuring bluetooth? |
| 01:30.49 | Nyle | I'd rather not use fglrx, but it is the only driver that works for my card |
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| 01:31.03 | slack101 | hmmm |
| 01:31.13 | gravity | Nyle: I think that's in the avivo driver. I don't really know what chips are in what boards |
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| 01:31.35 | valdyn | certainly no free 3D |
| 01:31.39 | Nyle | hrm |
| 01:31.39 | gravity | hrm |
| 01:31.49 | Nyle | jinx |
| 01:31.51 | Nyle | hehe |
| 01:32.01 | gravity | We need a chart mapping chip names to board names |
| 01:32.19 | abrotman | like the hcl ? |
| 01:32.27 | valdyn | up to radeon 9800 is solid i would say, above that ( r500 chips ), no idea |
| 01:33.08 | valdyn | abrotman: 3d cards is really not just 'supported or not' but you would need a list of apps working/not working for each |
| 01:33.23 | valdyn | complete fucking mess |
| 01:33.31 | Nyle | i think its r570 |
| 01:33.37 | abrotman | it is for some drivers! :) |
| 01:34.31 | utopia_ | hmm is 'tux' the pengiun copyrighted in anyway? |
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| 01:34.52 | valdyn | utopia_: copyright applies automagically |
| 01:35.36 | utopia_ | yeah but would the guy who own's it be likely to take action |
| 01:35.39 | utopia_ | or let it slide |
| 01:35.55 | Nyle | man my amd64 box is friggin fast on compiling packages |
| 01:35.57 | Nyle | goddam |
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| 01:36.30 | Nyle | I am experiencing a lot of odd crashes in applications in etch amd64 |
| 01:36.35 | valdyn | Nyle: dual core? -j4 ? |
| 01:36.37 | Nyle | I wonder why |
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| 01:36.47 | Nyle | C2D E6300 3.5Ghz |
| 01:37.11 | valdyn | 3.5 ghz? overclocked? |
| 01:37.15 | Nyle | highly |
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| 01:37.21 | Nyle | originally at 1.866ghz |
| 01:37.31 | valdyn | so no surprise its crashing |
| 01:37.38 | Nyle | its highly stable as well |
| 01:37.50 | Nyle | never has given a problem in 32bit |
| 01:37.54 | Nyle | etch is rock solid on it |
| 01:37.56 | valdyn | Nyle: you its that its 'stable' because the os does not crash? |
| 01:37.57 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, how is it highly stable if it keeps crashing? |
| 01:38.02 | Nyle | runs all th etime,can't top 45C under full load |
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| 01:38.17 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: 64 bit crahes, not 32bit |
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| 01:38.34 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, humour us, and lower your overclocking. see if the problems still occur |
| 01:38.38 | valdyn | i can imagine that overclocking works better in 32bit mode.. |
| 01:38.43 | man_in_ltop | it's possible you're getting latency issues |
| 01:38.52 | Nyle | amd64 I have only been using for a few days now. my knowledge of 64bit is not much |
| 01:39.01 | man_in_ltop | like the cpu is expecting bandwidth a lot faster than is possible |
| 01:39.03 | valdyn | Nyle: if you value your data - dont do it |
| 01:39.12 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: I have CAS4 memory at 1000mhz |
| 01:39.23 | Nyle | originally at 667 |
| 01:39.24 | valdyn | Nyle: you will get on disk broken data, with just individual bits wrong |
| 01:39.32 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, and you're overclocking to about x2 the clock |
| 01:39.37 | Nyle | valdyn: i see, so overclocking affecs it that much |
| 01:39.44 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: dram:fsb ratio is 2 |
| 01:39.44 | valdyn | Nyle: not much |
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| 01:39.53 | Nyle | 1:1 |
| 01:39.59 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, if you push the cpu too high, you get heaps of issues |
| 01:40.01 | valdyn | Nyle: just 1 wrong bit in a few billion , but thats more than enough ;) |
| 01:40.13 | man_in_ltop | and fsb has nothing to do with the cpu clock (any more) |
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| 01:40.29 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: like I said, it has NEVER in the past year given me any kind of problems on 32bit OS. Still on 32bit no issues. Only in 64bit, apps like to hang/crash |
| 01:40.44 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, 64bit and 32bit are not the same, are they? |
| 01:40.44 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: locked multpliers |
| 01:40.45 | slack101 | btw where is nameserver stuff in debian ? |
| 01:40.52 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: dude, wtf is your point? |
| 01:40.55 | Nyle | get to ffs |
| 01:41.01 | man_in_ltop | slack101, /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:41.07 | Nyle | quit grillin me man |
| 01:41.08 | Nyle | damn |
| 01:41.12 | sandman | Anyone know why my system would be beeping constantly? |
| 01:41.19 | Supaplex | slack101: same place it is in slackware. :) |
| 01:41.25 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, well, you have 2 guys telling you that the instability is most likely caused by your overclocking |
| 01:41.38 | valdyn | sandman: because your beeper is connected to the power led ? |
| 01:41.42 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: so I switched to 32bit on this and I'm fully stable with etch again |
| 01:41.47 | valdyn | sandman: or hwo the fuck are we supposed to know? |
| 01:41.49 | leafwiz | Hi, I would like to run a program, when I start the windowManager.. I have tried adding it to /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc, but nothing happend when the wm started |
| 01:41.53 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, and you say that's not possible because a different operating system is stable on the same hardware config |
| 01:42.01 | sandman | Well, every time it's accompanied by a bunch of messages about invalid page states in my consoles |
| 01:42.02 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: I never said anything. |
| 01:42.10 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, that's like saying dos 6 is stable on your hardware, so windows vista will run fine |
| 01:42.11 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: you can look through the log to see what I said. |
| 01:42.14 | sandman | So it beeps, then barfs out a bunch of information about a "reboot being needed" |
| 01:42.16 | abrotman | isn't there a better channel for OCers |
| 01:42.18 | sandman | And it does this often. |
| 01:42.19 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:42.22 | xacier | LOL ubumtooth the triangle butts |
| 01:42.25 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: thats like, you saying. not me. |
| 01:42.37 | abrotman | xacier: really .. keep it to yourself ... |
| 01:42.43 | xacier | have ya seen that pix with butts |
| 01:42.46 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, etch 32bit and etch 64bit are different operating systems. they have different kernels, one is 32bit only, the other is 64bit enabled |
| 01:42.56 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: I am aware. |
| 01:43.16 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, but you don't seem to be able to grasp that etch 64bit is using the cpu in a very different way |
| 01:43.33 | abrotman | among other things ... |
| 01:43.34 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: which is your perception. I grasped it a while ago when I was talking to valdyn |
| 01:43.40 | Nyle | I dunno who you are, or why you jumped in |
| 01:43.43 | xacier | does that 64bit do backward for 32bit apps? |
| 01:43.51 | Nyle | but ok, sure. tell me again if it makes you feel better |
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| 01:44.14 | abrotman | xacier: depends on the OS and a few other items |
| 01:44.14 | man_in_ltop | xacier, you need to install a bunch of 32bit libs, but yes |
| 01:44.33 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: im not trying to be a dick to you, bu quit grillin me man :( |
| 01:44.39 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, all i'm saying is don't completely discount your rediculously high overclocking |
| 01:45.07 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: thanks |
| 01:45.16 | Nyle | I'll keep that in mind. I actually didn't think it would matter |
| 01:45.25 | Nyle | like I said my knowledge of how 64 bit really works it not much atm |
| 01:45.47 | Nyle | so I'd like to keep my high clock speed, and I have switched back to 32bit |
| 01:46.05 | Nyle | so overclocking shouldn't really matter anymore, since my system is using etch now and is 110%stab le |
| 01:46.43 | man_in_ltop | ... |
| 01:46.55 | valdyn | i would think it downclocks itself, 3.5 is just way to high, but what do i know |
| 01:47.06 | Nyle | i have that disabled |
| 01:47.14 | man_in_ltop | you're using 32bit ... and your instabilities are on 64bit ... |
| 01:47.32 | man_in_ltop | so i would say that your overclocking is definately a strong candidate for causing your instabilities |
| 01:47.33 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: im sorry to have to ask you this? can you read? |
| 01:47.33 | valdyn | Nyle: you can disable the clockmod? |
| 01:47.46 | Nyle | valdyn: I can disable cpu throttlin |
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| 01:48.05 | Nyle | valdyn: also I undervolt. default vcore is 1.35v and I am giving it 1.27500v |
| 01:48.19 | Nyle | valdyn: the only time this setup ever gave me issues was with amd64 os |
| 01:48.29 | Nyle | and since I stoped using it, those problems also went away |
| 01:48.43 | Nyle | same setup still, with 32bit os, and 100% stable |
| 01:48.45 | man_in_ltop | well it's a trade-off isn't it |
| 01:48.49 | Nyle | yup |
| 01:48.51 | valdyn | Nyle: quite funny |
| 01:48.56 | Nyle | valdyn: how so :) |
| 01:49.10 | man_in_ltop | 32bit os and high enough clockspeed to cause serious problems, just that they haven't appeared |
| 01:49.20 | valdyn | Nyle: because the step 1.8 - > 3.5 is so damn huge |
| 01:49.23 | man_in_ltop | or 64bit os and high enough clockspeed to crash and hang applications |
| 01:49.33 | Nyle | valdyn: its a damn good OC huh |
| 01:49.35 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:49.42 | man_in_ltop | 1.8 * 2 == 3.6. your 3.5 is insane |
| 01:49.55 | Nyle | I ran 72 hours of memtest and other cpu stress testing tools on this machine when I first built it |
| 01:50.03 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, if you care about your computer, you would not be proud of the overclocking |
| 01:50.12 | man_in_ltop | memtest is not a cpu stress testing tool |
| 01:50.13 | Nyle | on this extreme OC, it never crashed or gave a single error |
| 01:50.23 | valdyn | Nyle: create a huge file, copy that huge file, cmp it ( a few gig sized ) |
| 01:50.27 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: but it tests memory |
| 01:50.29 | Supaplex | I oc old crap that's cheap to replace. but not by more than 1.25 usually. |
| 01:50.31 | valdyn | Nyle: and do kernel compiles |
| 01:50.38 | Nyle | valdyn: I did a lot |
| 01:50.43 | Nyle | trust me, I'm not a rookie |
| 01:50.46 | valdyn | Nyle: both things i had fail with 'rock solid' overlocked systems |
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| 01:52.05 | sandman | Has anyone seen this error message before?: kernel: Bad page state in process 'events/0' |
| 01:52.20 | valdyn | sandman: you have hardware issues |
| 01:52.23 | Supaplex | no, but has google? |
| 01:52.27 | sandman | It is followed by three more messages, more or less entailing that it is trying to clean it up, and about needing a reboot |
| 01:52.33 | sandman | supaplex: I only get _one_ result. |
| 01:52.42 | Supaplex | wow. =) |
| 01:52.48 | Nyle | valdyn: and you're right too |
| 01:53.02 | Nyle | valdyn: I mean, if it weren't a core 2 duo, i wouldn't even think of overclocking an intel |
| 01:53.13 | man_in_ltop | wtf |
| 01:53.17 | Nyle | valdyn: but these damn c2d chips are just so damn overclockable |
| 01:53.28 | Nyle | I've oc'd a good close to 100 amd boxes |
| 01:53.31 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, intels have been pretty much designed for overclocking since the p4 |
| 01:53.38 | Nyle | sicne the p4? |
| 01:53.41 | Nyle | are you fucking kidding me |
| 01:53.42 | man_in_ltop | yes |
| 01:53.44 | Nyle | look at netburst |
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| 01:53.53 | Nyle | the hottest cpu ever |
| 01:53.58 | Nyle | in any brand or company |
| 01:54.03 | Nyle | its a piece of shit |
| 01:54.04 | valdyn | p4 was my radiator, not for oc ;) |
| 01:54.11 | Nyle | lol |
| 01:54.18 | Roots | lol |
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| 01:54.23 | man_in_ltop | amd > 32bit athlons are overclockable, but not by much |
| 01:54.36 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: I am a professional overclocker dude |
| 01:54.47 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: I'm not a an enthusiast pc building gamer |
| 01:55.03 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, you get paid to violate people's warranties and destroy their hardware? |
| 01:55.03 | Nyle | -a |
| 01:55.42 | Nyle | I do what people want me to do and what they will pay for |
| 01:56.01 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 01:56.01 | Nyle | most of my customers ARE gamers |
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| 01:56.41 | liable | professional overclocker? |
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| 01:56.43 | Nyle | and I've never had one OC setup crash ever |
| 01:56.55 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, except your own amd64 one |
| 01:56.59 | Nyle | liable: people want me to build them OC'd machines |
| 01:57.09 | Nyle | Nyle: I've never used amd64 before |
| 01:57.16 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: but nice attack. |
| 01:57.22 | Nyle | you can stop anytime |
| 01:57.28 | sandman | I can't think of a reason someone would want to OC their CPU... the benefits are so minimal, imho. |
| 01:57.42 | Nyle | its not about money dude |
| 01:57.43 | sandman | And additionally, the drawbacks, from my experience, outweigh the benefits. |
| 01:57.47 | Nyle | I can afford another machine if this burns out |
| 01:57.55 | sandman | That's not the issue. The issue is stability |
| 01:57.55 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, no? then stop destroying people's machines! |
| 01:58.02 | Nyle | I just want the highest goddamn clock speed possible with the cheapest parts |
| 01:58.05 | Nyle | thats what turns me on |
| 01:58.09 | sandman | ... |
| 01:58.10 | Nyle | why are you so against it? |
| 01:58.14 | man_in_ltop | clock speed does not mean a fast computer |
| 01:58.15 | Nyle | just let me be |
| 01:58.16 | sandman | More power to ya. |
| 01:58.24 | sandman | Mind if I /ignore you, Nyle? |
| 01:58.31 | Nyle | I don't care |
| 01:58.37 | sandman | Good. Welcome to my list :) |
| 01:58.44 | baddisk | Nyle, go take a computer systems class. you will learn that there is more to "fast" than GHz |
| 01:58.47 | Nyle | but advertsing that you're ignoring someone is even lamer |
| 01:58.48 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, you came in here asking why your amd64 etch system is unstable. we gave you a probable cause, and you ignored it |
| 01:58.55 | Nyle | baddisk: I know |
| 01:59.31 | Nyle | baddisk: I also like to play shred guitar, and most people think speed sucks, and melody is good, and I say melody is good, but speed is greater. should I become a music professor just to play fast music/ |
| 01:59.53 | man_in_ltop | speed and melody together is good |
| 01:59.53 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: I did not ignore it, I simply remedied the problem |
| 01:59.59 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 02:00.11 | tengulre | which channel discuss embedded linux? |
| 02:00.19 | abrotman | man_in_ltop: you might as well give up |
| 02:00.27 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, by switching to 32bit ... so basically you cured a sore toe by cutting it off |
| 02:00.28 | baddisk | Nyle, just try it. reset your CMOS and try Etch 64 at the appropriate settings. try _that_ for two weeks, since you wasted all that time running ubuntu |
| 02:00.30 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: I asked why, you said cuz of your high clock speed, so I said i switch to 32bit and the problems go away, and then you start grillin me |
| 02:00.34 | Curalton | tengulre: oh, try /msg Nickserver list *embed* |
| 02:00.40 | Curalton | Nickserv* |
| 02:00.42 | yos | a tutorial for Jetty install on Debian ? how i install Jetty ? |
| 02:00.44 | Nyle | baddisk: yeh, I'll do that too :) |
| 02:01.02 | gravity | yos: aptitude install jetty? |
| 02:01.37 | baddisk | Nyle, if playing "shred" guitar had a tendency to destroy your guitar, would you do it? nevermind, that's a bad metaphor anyway... |
| 02:01.38 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: that is not the only reason for ditching amd64 |
| 02:01.49 | valdyn | !info jetty |
| 02:01.50 | dpkg | jetty: (Java servlet engine and webserver), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 5.1.10-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2023 kB, Installed size: 14252 kB |
| 02:01.53 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, still, you cured a sore toe by cutting it off |
| 02:01.57 | Nyle | baddisk: heh i get what you're saying, and I'm not as stupid as man_in_ltop would have me seem |
| 02:02.13 | man_in_ltop | "amd64 is broken (for me) so i will switch to 32bit. there, amd64 is fixed" |
| 02:02.22 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: yes sir. you are correct. you are right and I am wrong. you are handsome and I'm very ugly. please leave me alone now. |
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| 02:02.39 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: I never said that. |
| 02:02.44 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, yes you did |
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| 02:02.54 | Nyle | no I siad I remedied my problem. |
| 02:02.59 | Nyle | I didn't say I fixed amd64 |
| 02:03.05 | baddisk | Nyle, i can tell you're not stupid, you just don't appear to have much judgement ;-) |
| 02:03.06 | Nyle | don't play word games with me and waste both our time |
| 02:03.08 | man_in_ltop | no, you ignored it and switched to something that doesn't have the problem |
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| 02:03.11 | Nyle | go entertain yourself with something else please |
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| 02:03.53 | Nyle | baddisk: well, you're right. |
| 02:03.58 | man_in_ltop | you cut off the sore toe, sure the toe is not sore any more, but you don't have the toe any more either? |
| 02:04.00 | Nyle | baddisk: :) I have poor judgement |
| 02:04.04 | man_in_ltop | -? |
| 02:04.06 | baddisk | Nyle, anyway, i too have found that sid is more stable than any ubuntu that i've tried. |
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| 02:04.14 | man_in_ltop | baddisk, same |
| 02:04.17 | Nyle | baddisk: there you are 100% on the money |
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| 02:04.22 | Marupa | is thehre a way to copy the contents of a directory to a different directory if you get 'Argument list too long' when doing cp A/* B/ ? |
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| 02:04.47 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: dude... for the last fucking time, I didn't want amd64 that much anyway. fuck off. |
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| 02:04.53 | man_in_ltop | Marupa, break it up into smaller cp commands |
| 02:04.54 | leafwiz | Anyone know how to start a program with vnc ? |
| 02:05.04 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, if you don't want it, why ask about it? |
| 02:05.09 | bill_ | anyone used a dell perc 5/i sata raid controller in debian? |
| 02:05.10 | Marupa | Hmmm. that'd take a while X3 |
| 02:05.23 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: you are an asshole. |
| 02:05.23 | Curalton | man_in_ltop / Nyle - can you rest you case already pls :) |
| 02:05.56 | abrotman | or at least msg each other |
| 02:05.57 | Curalton | Marupa: xargs might help too |
| 02:06.12 | Marupa | is there a way to say, grab filenames thtat bbegin with 'a-n'? |
| 02:06.13 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, i'm not the one who came in here asking "why is my 64bit system broken" and then half an hour later say "i never really wanted a 64bit sytem" |
| 02:06.15 | Nyle | baddisk: so I have another c2d build I am doing. This time with 6350 cpu. not gonna oc it and use amd64. lets see how it turn sout |
| 02:06.25 | valdyn | Marupa: no: cd A/; cp -R ./ ../B/ |
| 02:06.37 | abrotman | man_in_ltop: give up already .. not worth the effort |
| 02:06.38 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: you're absolutely right. your are so right man. I am so very wrong. give it a rest now |
| 02:06.54 | valdyn | Marupa: ls [a..n]* |
| 02:06.56 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: so asking why is a bad thing? |
| 02:07.10 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: I wanted to knwo the reason, and now I do. what the fuck is your problem. |
| 02:07.13 | Nyle | fuck off. |
| 02:07.43 | baddisk | Nyle, things should go fine. but lay off the language please. my kids like to read over my shoulder sometimes |
| 02:07.52 | man_in_ltop | why so abusive? |
| 02:07.54 | Nyle | baddisk: my apologies |
| 02:07.59 | valdyn | Marupa: ls [a-n]* actually |
| 02:08.11 | Marupa | valdyn: the first didn't work. |
| 02:08.55 | Marupa | valdyn: sorry, the first post about copying didn't work. |
| 02:09.09 | baddisk | Nyle, np |
| 02:09.17 | valdyn | Marupa: what didnt work? |
| 02:09.29 | valdyn | Marupa: 'cp -R ./' works fine |
| 02:09.30 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: because you are acting like an a-hole. |
| 02:09.46 | yos | a tutorial for Jetty install on Debian ? how i install Jetty ? ...the #java send me to google search :) |
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| 02:09.49 | Nyle | man_in_ltop: you wanna just let it go already? |
| 02:09.52 | MangosDebian | man_in_ltop: perhaps you should just leave, your clearly not being productive here. |
| 02:09.59 | valdyn | yos: you run 'aptitude install jetty' |
| 02:10.00 | man_in_ltop | Nyle, do YOU want to let it go? |
| 02:10.13 | abrotman | man_in_ltop: just freaking /ignore already |
| 02:10.20 | MangosDebian | a +b I think is warrented here if this keeps up |
| 02:10.23 | valdyn | yos: after that you rtfm |
| 02:10.30 | Marupa | all right, i had forgotten the -R tthanks. |
| 02:10.38 | Nyle | MangosDebian: bah, fsck it dude. I usually don't use ignore but I might make use of it tonight |
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| 02:10.54 | Nyle | sweet, sid installed |
| 02:11.17 | MangosDebian | Nyle: You shouldn't need to. People who are here to just push peoples buttons should just be removed imho |
| 02:11.39 | man_in_ltop | i'm not pushing people's buttons |
| 02:11.43 | Nyle | MangosDebian: oh thank god. I hoped I wasn't the only one who saw through that. |
| 02:11.51 | man_in_ltop | SOMEONE happens to be swearing at me |
| 02:12.13 | Nyle | ok, so to get mp3s to work.. |
| 02:12.28 | man_in_ltop | though realistically, i should be doing something more productive, like swearing at the guys who came up with bluetooth |
| 02:12.31 | Nyle | install amarok, alsa, sudo alsaconf, boom. done. |
| 02:12.44 | man_in_ltop | i now consider myself lucky that i have my bluetooth mouse working |
| 02:12.46 | Nyle | I dunno what the hell ubuntu wanted me to do to get mp3 to play. |
| 02:12.50 | abrotman | hidd --search or something |
| 02:12.52 | abrotman | !bluetooth |
| 02:12.53 | dpkg | it has been said that bluetooth is , like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. |
| 02:13.06 | abrotman | man_in_ltop: but it's iffy |
| 02:13.18 | man_in_ltop | abrotman, yeah, my problems are much deeper than that. pc can see my phone, phone cannot see the pc |
| 02:13.45 | abrotman | sounds like a phone problem :) |
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| 02:14.09 | man_in_ltop | i'm not so sure |
| 02:14.25 | man_in_ltop | i managed to get it to pair in winxp, but i couldn't do any file transfers |
| 02:14.26 | abrotman | man_in_ltop: i think you've been overclocking your phone! |
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| 02:14.35 | man_in_ltop | abrotman, i wish that was possible :P |
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| 02:15.11 | man_in_ltop | well that explains something |
| 02:16.16 | abrotman | man_in_ltop: if you can't even get them paired .. you're not likely to do anything useful |
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| 02:17.22 | baddisk | i just do not get lvm at all |
| 02:17.30 | man_in_ltop | abrotman, i'm wondering if i have to configure the bluetooth services on the pc to be visible by external devices (such as the phone) |
| 02:17.39 | patrakov | hello, I am trying to identify the memory type on a remote server, using lm-sensors (for the purpose "what to order for upgrade"). Could anyone please confirm (or disprove) that, if the word "ECC" doesn't appear in the memory type as displayed by "sensors", one can be sure that the memory is not ECC? The output I have is: "SDR SDRAM DIMM" |
| 02:18.01 | sgeigerbot | what's the best alternative to vlc or mplayer? I'd like an apt-get-able option. What's the quickest thing to install? |
| 02:18.05 | baddisk | patrakov, have you tried dmidecode? |
| 02:18.11 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: xine |
| 02:18.16 | abrotman | or totem+xine |
| 02:18.18 | patrakov | baddisk: no, will try now |
| 02:18.18 | sober | sgeigerbot: why an alternte to mplayer? |
| 02:18.22 | abrotman | or kaffiene if you use that kde thingie |
| 02:18.24 | sober | sgeigerbot: mplayer is the best |
| 02:18.27 | man_in_ltop | i like vlc |
| 02:18.33 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: thanks...forgot about that. I just want to be able to apt-get something quickly. |
| 02:18.41 | cafuego | No, whatever you prefer is the best. |
| 02:18.59 | man_in_ltop | for some codecs, totem > vlc, but in general, vlc > * |
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| 02:19.10 | sober | cafuego: if you say something is the best, its a given that you prefer it, otherwise you wouldn't be saying its the best. |
| 02:19.13 | sober | :) |
| 02:19.19 | sgeigerbot | xine is perhaps not available. I like VLC best but on a particular machine I want somethign I can just install with apt-get. |
| 02:19.23 | cafuego | sober: Not at all. |
| 02:19.29 | sober | cafuego: oh, how come? |
| 02:19.34 | man_in_ltop | sgeigerbot, search for xine-ui |
| 02:19.42 | sgeigerbot | looks like totem fits the bill. |
| 02:19.51 | man_in_ltop | sgeigerbot, and you know you can apt-get install vlc, right? |
| 02:19.55 | cafuego | sober: Take the best car. I have an opinion on abest car, but having never driven the one I have in mind, I cna't actually prefer it. |
| 02:20.08 | sgeigerbot | man_in_ltop: thanks. |
| 02:20.23 | sgeigerbot | man_in_ltop: apt-get install vlc did not work for me. |
| 02:20.28 | sgeigerbot | man_in_ltop: Hmmm... |
| 02:20.29 | man_in_ltop | why not? |
| 02:20.36 | sober | cafuego: but what you consider to be the best, is your preference. |
| 02:20.53 | patrakov | baddisk: exactly what I want! "Error Correction Type: Single-bit ECC" |
| 02:21.11 | baddisk | patrakov, great! |
| 02:21.20 | abrotman | who wants an ECC error ? |
| 02:21.22 | sober | cafuego: when you say something is the best, it is implied that it is best for you. I don't come across anyone that says whats best for me, except religion people |
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| 02:21.33 | man_in_ltop | abrotman, i'll take it if you're offering :P |
| 02:21.38 | sober | hehe |
| 02:22.08 | baddisk | sober, breathing beats the alternatives. hands down. |
| 02:22.27 | sober | lol |
| 02:22.45 | sober | I think food and water are right there with breathing |
| 02:23.02 | sober | but... breathing alone doesn't help |
| 02:23.13 | sober | breathing oxygen beats all alternatives |
| 02:23.34 | sober | I dunno wtf I'm on about. :) |
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| 02:32.34 | krazykit | sober, not stoned anymore? |
| 02:34.17 | utopia_ | i'm stoned |
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| 02:39.06 | prologic_ | Hi, I have a Debian/Sarge box that I'd like to install Python2.5 on. It currently has python2.3 I tried adding sarge backports to /etc/apt/sources.list, however I still have unmet deps and the system wants to install libc6 (which I can't becuase it'll break other very important things). |
| 02:39.31 | prologic_ | Is there anyway to install python2.5 without breaking teh system and requiring a libc upgrade ? |
| 02:39.50 | eldowan | compile from source? not sure |
| 02:40.33 | prologic_ | I would have thought using backports would have worked easily enough |
| 02:40.36 | prologic_ | obviously not |
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| 02:45.40 | sober | mmm |
| 02:45.49 | sober | chicken cutlets and naan with chatni and coke |
| 02:45.50 | sober | :D |
| 02:46.34 | sober | having a pakistani family is awesome I get to eat good food all the time |
| 02:47.58 | utopia_ | and you get to pick the fresh hashish |
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| 02:49.07 | sandman | Is it just me, or does iceweasel have a memory leak? |
| 02:49.15 | utopia_ | iceweasal is a heap of shit |
| 02:49.25 | streuner | ask people from .uk, they almost only eat pakistani or indian food ;-) |
| 02:49.55 | sandman | utopia_: What do you suggest? |
| 02:49.56 | streuner | yeah, new modern browers just sucks :-) |
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| 02:50.42 | streuner | telnet? |
| 02:50.58 | streuner | sandman: What does BTS say about? |
| 02:51.02 | utopia_ | sandman, a different browser i switched to ephinay & its alot more stable |
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| 02:52.26 | streuner | there is dillo, using it mostly in a internet-cafe, its not that bad |
| 02:52.34 | streuner | !dillo |
| 02:52.34 | dpkg | dillo is a GTK+ based browser that's small, stable, developer-friendly, usable, fast, and extensible. |
| 02:52.42 | brandon_ | where can I set alsa to remember it's volume on startup and shutdown |
| 02:52.53 | streuner | install aumix |
| 02:52.58 | utopia_ | last time i used dillo was on freebsd & it didn't support crap |
| 02:52.58 | streuner | and save the values |
| 02:53.06 | utopia_ | freebsd 4.4 that is so long time ago :) |
| 02:53.07 | brandon_ | okay |
| 02:53.18 | liable | brandon_: alsactl store |
| 02:53.43 | brandon_ | liable: in terminal? |
| 02:54.00 | liable | yes, after setting volumes with alsamixer |
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| 02:54.38 | streuner | liable: are you an echo? |
| 02:54.49 | liable | streuner: am i an echo? |
| 02:55.04 | streuner | you sounds like one :-) |
| 02:55.04 | utopia_ | couldn't be! |
| 02:55.17 | utopia_ | an echo would mimic /exactly/ what you said :P |
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| 02:56.09 | brandon_ | liable: alsactl command not found |
| 02:56.37 | liable | then you musnt have alsa-utils installed, which is odd |
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| 02:57.00 | level1 | Hi, I just upgraded to lenny. Everything is running okay, but there are two problems. First, I have a program called kpowersave that runs, but if I try to bring up the configuration window (which reveals most of the functionality of the program), it crashes |
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| 02:57.32 | level1 | this program had a broken upgrade before I upgraded, but remove --purge and reinstall doesn't help |
| 02:57.51 | _RedShift_ | Anyone have an idea why, if I enter a URL that can't be resolved, it goes to my router's DMZ? I can, no joke, enter 'http://oidsfhksdjfhlksa', and have it go to that server. |
| 02:58.37 | streuner | brandon_: How did you configure ALSA at all? |
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| 02:59.13 | brandon_ | well i have xfce installed too, but it keeps asking me if i want to remove gcalctool and stuff like that |
| 02:59.21 | brandon_ | how do i permanently tell it to stop asking? |
| 02:59.44 | streuner | resolve the depends |
| 02:59.50 | streuner | or fix them :-) |
| 03:00.01 | freight | Heyas. I need a suggestion for a small lightweight mail server that uses the Sendmail API. I'm doinking around with Horde3 a bit, and it requires one. is Exim my best choice, or is there one more basic ( read - easy to install and admin as a trial )? |
| 03:00.23 | streuner | !depends gcalctool |
| 03:00.25 | dpkg | gcalctool: depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.13.2), libc6 (>= 2.5), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.13.5), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.9), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.17.3), libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.17.1), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.10.3), gconf2 (>= 2.10.1-2) |
| 03:00.31 | brandon_ | streuner: so apt-get autoremove? |
| 03:00.48 | streuner | brandon_: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 03:01.13 | brandon_ | ii libc6 2.5-9 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 03:01.50 | brandon_ | maybe i'll apt-get autoremove? |
| 03:02.14 | streuner | brandon_: show us your sources.list in paster bot |
| 03:02.17 | streuner | !paste |
| 03:02.17 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 03:02.27 | brandon_ | it must pertain to the xfce install |
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| 03:02.32 | brandon_ | streuner, i |
| 03:02.34 | Wooowww | Where can i find repositories with 400kb/s of upload tax or over than it ? or if its possible ? =] |
| 03:02.39 | brandon_ | i'll mess with it later |
| 03:02.42 | freight | Whoa, don't all respond at once. Based on the responses, it looks like exim. ;-> |
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| 03:05.57 | streuner | !info apt-spy |
| 03:06.21 | dpkg | apt-spy: (writes a sources.list file based on bandwidth tests), section admin, is optional. Version: 3.1-16+b3 (sid), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 03:06.30 | streuner | liable: yeah, thats really odd... |
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| 03:07.09 | brandon_ | yeah i can't actl store |
| 03:07.18 | brandon_ | even with alsa-utils installed |
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| 03:07.46 | liable | brandon_: as root? |
| 03:07.50 | brandon_ | oh |
| 03:07.52 | slidesinger | !xorg |
| 03:07.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.2. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode) |
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| 03:08.16 | brandon_ | can you tell me the command again, my panel froze |
| 03:08.23 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# apt-file search alsactl |
| 03:08.23 | streuner | alsa-utils: usr/sbin/alsactl |
| 03:08.25 | freight | Another question. If I put an AddType handler in a /etc/apache2/conf.d/<blah>.conf file, Apache will pick it up as part of the main configuration, yes? |
| 03:08.27 | liable | alsactl store |
| 03:08.33 | utopia_ | was XFree86 that slow piece of junk? |
| 03:08.51 | utopia_ | cause X seems way faster now, after a three year gap of comps, on the same old machine |
| 03:08.58 | brandon_ | okay it worked |
| 03:09.00 | brandon_ | :D |
| 03:09.02 | brandon_ | me happy |
| 03:09.14 | streuner | maybe you configured it better ;-) |
| 03:09.35 | streuner | they prolly dont work on OLD drivers anymore |
| 03:09.35 | brandon_ | yeah, you were right, xfce screwed up a bunch of gnome packages |
| 03:10.06 | brandon_ | streuner: will this work even if i don't use the save session thing, not that i know much about it all |
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| 03:10.25 | yos | any body know How to install Jetty ? |
| 03:10.39 | streuner | brandon_: aumix and save the values works for me |
| 03:10.59 | brandon_ | do i need to put aumix in my startup session? |
| 03:11.07 | streuner | nope |
| 03:11.23 | brandon_ | do i have to use aumix for this to work? |
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| 03:11.39 | streuner | !info jetty |
| 03:11.41 | dpkg | jetty: (Java servlet engine and webserver), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 5.1.10-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2023 kB, Installed size: 14252 kB |
| 03:11.44 | liable | brandon_: no |
| 03:11.50 | streuner | apt-get install <package>? |
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| 03:12.12 | brandon_ | thanks and sorry that was so difficult |
| 03:12.17 | liable | why has there suddenly been a surge of interest in jetty? was it on digg or something? |
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| 03:14.02 | streuner | thats the first question since the last 2-3 days about jetty |
| 03:14.15 | liable | no its not |
| 03:14.28 | streuner | for me :-) |
| 03:14.44 | streuner | keep in mind you are in a different TZ |
| 03:15.41 | streuner | Mi 18. Jul 05:15:39 CEST 2007 |
| 03:15.47 | slidesinger | For some reason X runs for every user except one. tail .xsession-errors returns Error sanitizing history: |
| 03:16.04 | slidesinger | Anybody have any ideas? |
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| 03:19.23 | brandon_ | well it's set, hopefully it sticks |
| 03:19.24 | brandon_ | :D |
| 03:19.44 | baddisk | slidesinger, what wm / dm? |
| 03:19.59 | slidesinger | icewm, no dm |
| 03:20.13 | slidesinger | using startx |
| 03:20.18 | baddisk | slidesinger, is everyone running icewm? |
| 03:20.28 | slidesinger | Yes |
| 03:21.21 | baddisk | can you rename his .icewm (or whatever folder contains his settings for icewm) to another name? |
| 03:21.30 | slidesinger | Tried that. |
| 03:22.15 | baddisk | paste his errors to pastebin.ca or something like that |
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| 03:22.45 | slidesinger | iceweasel crashed, then icewm locked up. On restart it failed to load and has failed ever since. |
| 03:22.58 | artagnon | which package corresponds to documentation for my libc6? I need manpages for stuff like 'system' (stdlib.h) |
| 03:23.10 | Wyzard | artagnon: manpages-dev IIRC |
| 03:23.22 | artagnon | Wyzard: thanks :) |
| 03:23.42 | baddisk | slidesinger, interestingly enough the only result i got from googling your error was from an arch linux site that specifically mentioned firefox in conjunction with that error. |
| 03:24.30 | slidesinger | I googled a few different things and got nothing useful. What search parameters did you use? |
| 03:24.43 | baddisk | if you want to slug through babelfish you might be able to make something of it: http://www.archlinux.it/forum/risolto-firefox-amp-beryl-crash-e-quot-nascondino-quo |
| 03:25.03 | baddisk | "error sanitizing history" with the quotes |
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| 03:26.26 | brandon_ | do people ever completely remove the panel |
| 03:26.54 | baddisk | while you're at it, try renaming his .firefox / .iceweasel dirs also. i've never used icewm so i'm grasping at straws here |
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| 03:32.39 | jetscreamer | ah so the botattacks went to ubuntu |
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| 03:33.05 | liable | nice |
| 03:33.53 | metbsd | is there a way to make a group member of another group? |
| 03:34.13 | tarzeau | brandon_: i do |
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| 03:38.19 | mo1991 | Can anyone help me with syncing a windows mobile phone wm5 with debian? I have been reading about the synce project but do not see synce as a .deb file only synce-kde which I think still needs synce?? |
| 03:38.28 | mo1991 | anyway it doesn't connect |
| 03:39.44 | mo1991 | not sure what else I need to do - anyone here familiar with synce? |
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| 03:40.48 | khermans | anyone know what the term 'volish' means? |
| 03:41.09 | liable | !dict volish |
| 03:41.11 | dpkg | could not find definition for volish |
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| 03:53.18 | level1 | Hi, my xorg.conf file has resolution options going up to 1900x1200 (the native resolution of my display) and a refresh rate of 96Hz (which I know my screen is capable of)... however, X defaults to 1600x1200 and the kde configuration files will not let me change this. |
| 03:54.09 | level1 | I'm sorry, the kde configuration utilities |
| 03:54.20 | level1 | anyway, how do I fix this? |
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| 03:55.28 | sandman__ | er |
| 03:55.35 | wols | level1: probably your refreshrates |
| 03:55.50 | Olgem | can anyone point me to a good end-all guide on debian repositories? |
| 03:56.03 | level1 | wols: a monitor that refreshes at 96Hz should be able to do 1900x1200, right? |
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| 03:56.07 | PrinceAMD1 | hi all |
| 03:56.23 | level1 | wols: I mean, what refresh rates do I need? I'll write them into my config files |
| 03:56.28 | wols | level1: no. one thing hasn't anything to do witht he other. also: I didn't say anything about vert refresh |
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| 03:56.37 | metbsd | is there a way to make a group a member of another group? |
| 03:56.46 | PrinceAMD1 | is it possible to get temperture reading from a computer to to show on another using gkrellm both computers hare mbmon |
| 03:57.04 | tarzeau | PrinceAMD1: ever heard of remote x? |
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| 03:57.12 | PrinceAMD1 | tarzeau no |
| 03:57.20 | wols | PrinceAMD1: gkrellm has a daemon mode |
| 03:57.23 | tarzeau | PrinceAMD1: ssh -X othercomputer "gkrellm" |
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| 03:57.26 | level1 | wols: okay, what should my horz refresh be then? |
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| 03:57.53 | PrinceAMD1 | thanks tarzeau wols |
| 03:57.53 | wols | level1: whatever allows it to use 1900x1200 |
| 03:58.03 | Le-Moche | Hello |
| 03:58.08 | Le-Moche | who can help me to install ident on debian please |
| 03:58.53 | wols | Le-Moche: if you ask like this: no one. |
| 03:59.10 | tarzeau | Le-Moche: apt-cache search ident |
| 03:59.20 | Le-Moche | ok |
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| 03:59.36 | tarzeau | who can send me chocolate cake please |
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| 03:59.46 | slidesinger | deluser or userdel to remove the most user account info? |
| 03:59.47 | Caelum | how do I get the difference between GMT in my timezone? |
| 03:59.55 | Le-Moche | tarzeau done |
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| 04:01.29 | Le-Moche | wols what you mean how should i ask :s |
| 04:02.11 | slidesinger | Nevermind, found it. (think I need to sleep I have reached a level of dumb. Sorry.) |
| 04:02.51 | wols | Le-Moche: /msg dpkg ask /msg dpkg smart-questions |
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| 04:04.06 | Le-Moche | :s |
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| 04:04.45 | nvz | I have a two part question reguarding apache and users public_html one is does the directory have to be owned by the apache user or just world readable and if it does have to be owned by the apache user how can I set it up so my skeleton does that automatically when I create users? cause right now I have public_html in the skeleton but it makes it owned by the user 755 |
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| 04:05.32 | jpin | Question: is there a way of having a external hard drive that is only possible to mount provided a password? what kind of filesystem do i need for this? |
| 04:06.27 | jpin | i know that it seems useless if it's not encrypted... but i'm trying to have this somehow |
| 04:08.29 | PrinceAMD1 | hi again is there a command with ssh like -p [password] |
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| 04:09.46 | tarzeau | PrinceAMD1: no |
| 04:09.50 | sober | PrinceAMD1: what? |
| 04:09.50 | PrinceAMD1 | :( |
| 04:09.57 | tarzeau | PrinceAMD1: it's possible with expect, but you don't want to do that |
| 04:10.11 | PrinceAMD1 | tarzeau how to do that? |
| 04:10.20 | metbsd | how do i add a user to one more group? |
| 04:10.22 | sober | PrinceAMD1: you can setup passwordless ssh |
| 04:10.25 | tarzeau | PrinceAMD1: i won't tell you, go read about using keys |
| 04:10.37 | tarzeau | metbsd: adduser user group |
| 04:10.43 | PrinceAMD1 | tarzeau :) |
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| 04:11.00 | PrinceAMD1 | sober, lol that takes secure out of ssh |
| 04:11.05 | tarzeau | PrinceAMD1: no |
| 04:11.10 | sober | PrinceAMD1: thats all I can think of. generate rsa keys, copy them to the other machine |
| 04:11.12 | tarzeau | PrinceAMD1: it's the key thing |
| 04:11.23 | tarzeau | PrinceAMD1: what you ask for would take secure out of ssh |
| 04:11.26 | sober | PrinceAMD1: no it does not. do you understand encryption? |
| 04:11.34 | sober | public/privaite key concept? |
| 04:11.48 | tarzeau | sober: no he doesn't, otherwise he wouldn't be asking |
| 04:12.42 | level1 | Hi, I was running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. I changed my mind and closed the program. Now a program called "whiptail" is eating up all my proc cycles. Its running with root privalages. Can I kill it? |
| 04:12.57 | Seb | anyone know of a frontend for a debian package repository ? Something that's how available packages, their versions, what distro they're in, etc ? |
| 04:13.03 | tarzeau | level1: why not, try pkill -9 whiptail |
| 04:13.21 | stoned | Seb: distro? |
| 04:13.24 | tarzeau | Seb: you can just read/process the Sources or Packages file? |
| 04:13.45 | Seb | stoned: what do you mean ? |
| 04:13.52 | Gigantic | .!boo |
| 04:13.59 | stoned | Seb: Seb why are you asking what distro is what package in |
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| 04:14.14 | stoned | why would we list any other packages than the debian distro |
| 04:14.22 | stoned | I don't get it |
| 04:14.30 | Seb | tarzeau: obviously I'm trying not to code anything |
| 04:14.30 | Gigantic | Maybe he want to decide about his distro |
| 04:14.38 | Seb | stoned: distro as in sid/testin/stable |
| 04:14.42 | tarzeau | Seb: i wasn't claiming anything like that |
| 04:14.47 | tarzeau | Seb: can you not just tell what you want? |
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| 04:14.55 | Seb | stoned: and i'm talking about a custom debian repository |
| 04:14.57 | tarzeau | Seb: does debian not have a software package that you need? which is it? |
| 04:15.11 | stoned | Seb: you can use aptitude |
| 04:15.12 | tarzeau | Seb: custom debian repositories are only good if you don't have any questions about it |
| 04:15.15 | stoned | its got a gui frontend |
| 04:15.24 | Seb | stoned: i need something web-based though |
| 04:15.30 | tarzeau | Seb: that's not distros! |
| 04:16.06 | tarzeau | Seb: there's a tool called apt-show-versions |
| 04:16.11 | stoned | I give up |
| 04:16.14 | stoned | tarzeau: he's all your |
| 04:16.16 | stoned | s |
| 04:16.17 | Seb | tarzeau: "custom debian repositories are only good if you don't have any questions about it" ? That's a pretty nonsensical statement. |
| 04:16.23 | tarzeau | stoned: no thanks, it's 6 am in the morning |
| 04:16.26 | Seb | stoned: aptitude doesn't have a web frontend now does it ? |
| 04:16.29 | tarzeau | Seb: no it's not |
| 04:16.46 | tarzeau | Seb: it says use only the one debian.org repository and you're fine |
| 04:16.54 | tarzeau | Seb: and i will not say what else it all says |
| 04:17.11 | stoned | I'm really tired |
| 04:17.28 | stoned | I am beginning to hate computers in general right now |
| 04:17.40 | tarzeau | stoned: you just want a faster computer :) |
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| 04:17.48 | stoned | hehe |
| 04:17.51 | stoned | yes |
| 04:18.14 | Seb | tarzeau: right |
| 04:18.19 | Seb | tarzeau: so my company is based on debian |
| 04:18.24 | Seb | we use debian for everything |
| 04:18.27 | Seb | we package our own shit |
| 04:18.31 | Seb | on our own servers |
| 04:18.32 | tarzeau | Seb: so do we |
| 04:18.43 | Seb | but somehow i need to use debian's repository for that ? |
| 04:18.47 | Seb | tarzeau: get a grip |
| 04:18.48 | tarzeau | Seb: but these are no questions? obviously you have a problem but you can not tell what it is |
| 04:18.55 | stoned | tarzeau: I think I need dual quadcore cpus with unlocked multipliers and some serious cooling |
| 04:19.07 | Seb | tarzeau: i need a web-frontend that can allow my users to explore what's in my repositories |
| 04:19.12 | tarzeau | Seb: just use your own repos without bothering #debian about it, unless you have specific questions? |
| 04:19.15 | stoned | tarzeau: I dunno what I'd do with it, but it would be cool to have. I dunno why, I'm dumb. Don't ask m e |
| 04:19.23 | tarzeau | Seb: that's easy, and that's a good question now |
| 04:19.38 | tarzeau | Seb: you know you can easily run a cgi that runs apt-cache search on only your repos... |
| 04:19.46 | metbsd | now how do i remove a user from a group? |
| 04:19.54 | tarzeau | Seb: do you need a cgi for it? i can write you one if you pay me for it :) |
| 04:19.57 | Seb | tarzeau: now i've been mentioning earlier i want to leverage something existing |
| 04:20.10 | tarzeau | Seb: i don't know any such thing exists... |
| 04:20.15 | Seb | tarzeau: debian has it for its own repository |
| 04:20.17 | stoned | Seb: what you are asking for is well... just not there |
| 04:20.26 | tarzeau | stoned: and more diskspace and more/bigger screens? |
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| 04:20.34 | Seb | tarzeau: i'd be surprised if that thing was "not there" |
| 04:20.34 | stoned | more bigger :) |
| 04:20.36 | tarzeau | Seb: ahh the packages.d.o ? |
| 04:20.43 | tarzeau | Seb: i'm sure it's on svn somewhere |
| 04:20.45 | stoned | lots more and lots bigger! |
| 04:20.48 | Seb | is it not packaged ? |
| 04:20.53 | tarzeau | Seb: i don't think so |
| 04:21.08 | stoned | tarzeau: I need 8 monitors too |
| 04:21.14 | tarzeau | stoned: you know if you go nearer to the screen, it appears bigger :) |
| 04:21.22 | stoned | lol |
| 04:21.30 | stoned | I like sitting about 3-5 feet away from it |
| 04:21.33 | tarzeau | Seb: how large are your repositories in mb and number of packages? for how many archs? |
| 04:21.45 | stoned | too close and it burns out my eyes |
| 04:22.03 | tarzeau | stoned: wrong gamma correction? CRT still? |
| 04:22.07 | stoned | they start to get itchy and hot and well, just itchi and painful |
| 04:22.09 | tarzeau | stoned: white background image? |
| 04:22.10 | stoned | yeh man |
| 04:22.12 | stoned | crt |
| 04:22.19 | stoned | tarzeau: no, but bright blue |
| 04:22.26 | Seb | tarzeau: it's large enough that I need something web-based to be able to look at it; something like packages.d.o or qa.d.o |
| 04:22.36 | stoned | I don't like dark colors |
| 04:22.36 | nvz | ok seriously.. I need some help figuring out wtf my ssh sessions just stop responding after extremely short periods of time |
| 04:22.38 | tarzeau | Seb: can you tell me in numbers? |
| 04:22.54 | Seb | tarzeau: in the hundreds; can you tell me how that's relevant to my question ? |
| 04:23.00 | tarzeau | nvz: a sniffer? or checking remote and local logfiles? |
| 04:23.09 | Seb | nvz: some firewall in between with very short states ? |
| 04:23.11 | tarzeau | Seb: not at all, i was just curious |
| 04:23.26 | nvz | tarzeau: Seb: it happens to me all the time on any ssh connection or any server |
| 04:23.33 | Seb | tarzeau: so, basically, whatever official debian people use, is not packaged ? |
| 04:23.44 | tarzeau | Seb: i don't think it is, no |
| 04:23.47 | Seb | nvz: what is the common denominator ? The box you ssh from ? |
| 04:23.52 | Seb | that sorta sucks |
| 04:24.07 | tarzeau | Seb: but it's not a problem, try ask in #debian-devel for it, i'm sure you'll get it |
| 04:24.17 | tarzeau | Seb: without documentation, and have fun setting it up to work :) |
| 04:24.18 | stoned | nvz: hmm, I got it |
| 04:24.20 | nvz | Seb: there is no common denominator.. if I do it from my dads laptop, my computer, from work.. they all die after some time |
| 04:24.25 | tarzeau | Seb: oh and if you package it, i'll take a copy :) |
| 04:24.33 | nvz | it just freezes and I can't type shit |
| 04:24.46 | tarzeau | Seb: do you have your site/repos and all documented somewhere? |
| 04:24.54 | Seb | tarzeau: not for you |
| 04:24.55 | tarzeau | Seb: i'm looking for other companies/enterprises using debian |
| 04:25.05 | tarzeau | Seb: but for others, or it's just internal? |
| 04:25.06 | stoned | nvz: nope, I lost it. |
| 04:25.16 | Seb | nvz: do you have one client/server pair for which they don't die ? |
| 04:25.19 | nvz | stoned: I have no idea what you are talking about |
| 04:25.30 | stoned | nvz: an idea, about your problem |
| 04:25.36 | nvz | Seb: this has always happened to me in all the years I've been using ssh |
| 04:25.40 | Seb | tarzeau: it's public |
| 04:25.51 | Seb | nvz: if I hadn't seen you here before, I'd say you're a troll heh |
| 04:25.56 | stoned | nvz: other than possession I can't think of anything. |
| 04:26.14 | nvz | Seb: today its annoying me cause I am trying to do work on the borough server to setup a website for the garden club and its freezing here on my pc same as it was on my dads laptop using putty |
| 04:26.14 | tarzeau | Seb: so you're just pissed at me? |
| 04:26.20 | stoned | nvz: ignore that |
| 04:26.21 | Seb | nvz: now, let's investigate that hotspot for bugs, that is located between the keyboard and the chair :> Are you constantly under the influence of drugs when you ssh ? :> |
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| 04:26.45 | nvz | Seb: I logged in, went to go read shit on godaddy.com and went back to it and I cant type shit |
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| 04:27.19 | stoned | nvz: how long of a window are you talking about |
| 04:27.36 | stoned | does it happen on every ssh session and frequently or sometimes |
| 04:27.46 | stoned | nvz: you are totally unable to use ssh? |
| 04:27.50 | nvz | stoned: some could have been 10-20 minutes |
| 04:28.04 | Kjikaqawej | sounds like you need to do some tickling |
| 04:28.07 | nvz | stoned: no I can log back in, but the fuckin session is frozen in my screen window |
| 04:28.21 | Seb | tarzeau: you're usually a cunt, nothing new there; You just blurt out semi-random, nonsensical comments about how you think debian should or should not be used, before actually noticing that sometimes people do have interesting points to make/questions to ask. In short, your willingness to be dismissive by default overshadows your other troubleshooting capabilities, basically. |
| 04:28.41 | Seb | shit, I'll save this analysis somehwere, and keep it for later :D |
| 04:28.52 | nvz | stoned: was doing the same thing earlier on the windows box with putty.. I'd open putty to do something with the server then go to use WinSCP or something and come back and it'd be out to lunch |
| 04:28.59 | stoned | Seb: its quite obvious to us who is being the cunt. |
| 04:29.12 | stoned | and it isn't tarzeau I can tell you that much |
| 04:29.23 | Seb | stoned: it is to you and tarzeau. I've been here for longer than both of you were so I couldn't care less what you think really. |
| 04:29.31 | nvz | the server says there are two users when I login again |
| 04:29.33 | tarzeau | Seb: but can't you tell me anyways where and what the enterprise with the details is? i'm trying to make a documentation about using debian in an enterprise |
| 04:29.40 | nvz | but the other window is froze |
| 04:29.57 | tarzeau | Seb: it's fine, i'm not telling i can't be a cunt. |
| 04:30.01 | stoned | thats a cool name |
| 04:30.06 | stoned | I wonder how it is pronounced |
| 04:30.19 | MangosDebian | stoned: its pernounced $RAND |
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| 04:30.25 | Kjikaqawej | ook-chee-gah-ha-wetch |
| 04:30.25 | MangosDebian | pronounced* |
| 04:30.28 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 04:30.37 | stoned | man thats cool man |
| 04:30.40 | stoned | I like that |
| 04:30.43 | Seb | stoned: see, tarzeau and I know each other, and our respective weaknesses. Your opinion is truly irrelevant here, as far as our IRC relation goes :> |
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| 04:30.57 | stoned | Seb: feel free to fuck off anytime. |
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| 04:31.00 | terr_ | I'm looking for an app that will do a slide show. |
| 04:31.05 | Kjikaqawej | means 'big crow that goes gah gah', aka raven |
| 04:31.12 | stoned | terr_: I use gwenview |
| 04:31.14 | Seb | tarzeau: now explain to me how your position here doesn't conflict with that early comment about "custom repositories being fine as long as one doesn't have any questions about them" :> |
| 04:31.28 | stoned | terr_: there is also a gtk+ based ACDSee clone |
| 04:31.50 | Kjikaqawej | at least you're being creative with the insults :) |
| 04:31.52 | stoned | terr_: I can't recall the name of it, tons of em. just search for image viewers |
| 04:31.52 | Seb | stoned: hah, resorting to fuck/shit/etc sorta outlines your lack of point :) |
| 04:31.54 | stoned | or something |
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| 04:32.12 | terr_ | stoned I have Image Viewer and a few others. None did a slide show |
| 04:32.22 | tarzeau | Seb: i didn't get what you were looking for, that you just need your own packages.d.o for your repo |
| 04:32.31 | tarzeau | Seb: i tried to find out that, and it took me some time |
| 04:32.36 | Seb | tarzeau: after you explain this to me, I promise I'll give enlighten you about my company's stuff |
| 04:32.46 | tarzeau | Seb: now, about my documentation, wiki.debian.org/Enterprise |
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| 04:32.59 | stoned | Seb: you are still acting like a cunt. You should stop. |
| 04:33.09 | tarzeau | Seb: we also run our repo/lotsa packages and i just wasn't able to find a lot of other people that have some docs for the mass public... |
| 04:33.14 | stoned | if you would like to win the argument, have at it. Just leave me alone |
| 04:33.18 | tarzeau | Seb: great :) |
| 04:33.18 | Seb | tarzeau: but see, you're always half-nonsensical when someone doesn't make enough sense to you, that's my main gripe about you... |
| 04:33.39 | tarzeau | Seb: that's great to hear, now i know where/what i can improve on myself |
| 04:33.57 | tarzeau | Seb: i swear if anyone could just tell like you what's wrong, i (and others could just get better in that area) |
| 04:33.59 | nvz | ok lets see here.. I got all sessions killed now.. I'm going to clear the terminal and let it idle from 12:34 EDT |
| 04:34.25 | Seb | tarzeau: i've learnt not to mention "non-free" around you, and right there that'd be me adapting, but you could make an effort to not always go right away for the clear-cut-no-argument-possible comment :) |
| 04:34.31 | nvz | I think ssh is suppose to timeout but I'd figure it would logout not just lockup |
| 04:34.51 | Seb | tarzeau: not sure if you're ironic heh, but on my end the skill to be improved is most definitely patience :> |
| 04:34.52 | stoned | Seb: looks like you've left me alone. Thanks |
| 04:35.03 | streuner | dude, stops this bullshit NOW |
| 04:35.08 | tarzeau | Seb: i'm sorry for being like that (heck i even use non-free/contrib myself (for sauerbraten), and maintain a package myself in there) |
| 04:35.11 | Seb | nvz: ssh is never supposed to tmie out. I have seesion here that are like weeks old. |
| 04:35.12 | streuner | s/dude/dudes/ |
| 04:35.24 | tarzeau | Seb: i just don't take it all too serious on irc, i'm here for fun after all |
| 04:35.34 | Kjikaqawej | nvz: tcpkeepalive |
| 04:35.37 | streuner | if you want tell each other HOW you love each use /msg |
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| 04:35.48 | Seb | streuner: i love you too man |
| 04:35.49 | Kjikaqawej | o_O |
| 04:35.49 | tarzeau | Seb: people on irc are different than they're on real life |
| 04:35.55 | stoned | streuner: I actually really was thanking him, he acted in a mature manner and left me alone when I asked. Most people don't do that |
| 04:35.56 | nvz | Seb: well anytime I've ever used ssh it's froze up after a short period of time.. like less than half an hour |
| 04:36.00 | Kjikaqawej | tarzeau: right |
| 04:36.03 | stoned | this is a strange cat indeed |
| 04:36.08 | Kjikaqawej | maybe you are |
| 04:36.26 | tarzeau | Seb: could you imagine i've got very much patience? i mean my collegue at work who has very much patience, i'm like his hero about patience.... |
| 04:36.33 | nvz | Kjikaqawej: that is set to yes |
| 04:36.33 | Seb | heh |
| 04:36.38 | stoned | I have almost no patience |
| 04:36.42 | MangosDebian | nvz: sysctl -a | grep keepalive, what cha got there? |
| 04:36.46 | Seb | tarzeau: we're annoying streuner, let's give up on that subject :> |
| 04:36.47 | tarzeau | Kjikaqawej: and i hate people changing nicks, hi :) |
| 04:36.48 | stoned | I some matters I do, in most I don't |
| 04:36.52 | tarzeau | Seb: ok |
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| 04:37.02 | Kjikaqawej | yeh, see if i care ;) |
| 04:37.05 | Seb | with computers and related matter, that is |
| 04:37.14 | tarzeau | streuner: i love you too! |
| 04:37.19 | Seb | i'm fine with real-life friends/SOs/etc :) |
| 04:37.41 | streuner | tarzeau, Seb: that sounds better :-) |
| 04:37.46 | Kjikaqawej | ok, now group hug :P |
| 04:38.06 | Seb | hah |
| 04:38.11 | Kjikaqawej | hehhe |
| 04:38.31 | Seb | tarzeau: my company is http://www.untangle.com, we integrate a bunch of security products into one platform, with a GUI on top |
| 04:38.45 | Seb | tarzeau: and we're all debian-based |
| 04:38.57 | tarzeau | Seb: that's great! |
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| 04:39.27 | Seb | tarzeau: we went open-source about a month ago, so we're now "the open-source network gateway" :) |
| 04:39.34 | Kjikaqawej | ooh |
| 04:39.39 | tarzeau | Seb: do you have a proxy level firewall? |
| 04:39.51 | nvz | MangosDebian: on the server side? |
| 04:39.53 | tarzeau | Seb: i mean for all sorts of ports (like generic tcp/udp as well)? |
| 04:40.02 | MangosDebian | nvz: both |
| 04:40.24 | juancgt | how can i upgrade my jre from .5 to .6 ? |
| 04:41.20 | Seb | tarzeau: you mean application level firewall ? Sure. Browse the site a bit, it's pretty much all there. And if somehting is not, just ask :) |
| 04:41.24 | nvz | MangosDebian: my box says net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_intvl = 75 net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_probes = 9 net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_time = 7200 |
| 04:41.33 | tarzeau | Seb: yes exactly |
| 04:41.46 | stoned | Seb: absofuckinglutely |
| 04:41.49 | MangosDebian | nvz: seems fine :/ |
| 04:41.50 | metbsd | how do i remove a user from a gorup? |
| 04:41.52 | tarzeau | Seb: thank you also for lanmap :) gonna use it on some hightraffic host |
| 04:41.59 | Seb | stoned: jsut the natural stuff, right ? |
| 04:42.09 | Seb | tarzeau: I wish upstream was active on it ;) |
| 04:42.11 | stoned | nothing but the natural |
| 04:42.15 | tarzeau | metbsd: deluser user group |
| 04:42.18 | utopia_ | stoned, do you smoke |
| 04:42.21 | Seb | tarzeau: also I took on cartoreso as an ITP, but I ain't got time to package it :( |
| 04:42.23 | MangosDebian | nvz: any masq/nat involved inbetween? |
| 04:42.24 | stoned | utopia_: nope. |
| 04:42.31 | tarzeau | Seb: i've seen, upstream url dead? |
| 04:42.53 | Seb | tarzeau: what is dead, you mean ? |
| 04:43.03 | tarzeau | Seb: do you know driftnet? i used to work in a security company doing combined firewalls (mainly for controlling, one was application level, raptor :) |
| 04:43.07 | nvz | MangosDebian: other system has same values. |
| 04:43.10 | tarzeau | Seb: the cartoreso homepage? |
| 04:43.11 | MangosDebian | nvz: and if you could get a rough time on the timeout, might help |
| 04:43.28 | nvz | MangosDebian:it just happened to me again.. happens in about 5 min or less |
| 04:43.29 | utopia_ | stoned, then whats up with the name? |
| 04:43.42 | nvz | MangosDebian: roughly 5 min though of no activity |
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| 04:43.55 | Seb | tarzeau: never heard about driftnet |
| 04:44.01 | Seb | tarzeau: cartoreso is alive last time i checked |
| 04:44.06 | nvz | MangosDebian: and yes there is NAT on both.. I have a router box here, and so does the borough building I am ssh to |
| 04:44.15 | Seb | tarzeau: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cartoreso ? |
| 04:44.23 | tarzeau | Seb: ah true, looks good |
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| 04:44.33 | stoned | utopia_: stoned being thrown at someone by an entire crowd. Usually the innocent condemned to death. Therefore, stoned. |
| 04:44.36 | MangosDebian | nvz: sysctl -a | grep ip_conntrack, look at generic_timeout |
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| 04:44.44 | stoned | s/stoned/stones |
| 04:44.48 | utopia_ | oh way more deep then what i was thinking |
| 04:44.58 | MangosDebian | nvz: sorry, tcp_timeout_max_retrans is 5min |
| 04:44.59 | metbsd | tarzeau, i want to remove a user out of a group, i do NOT want to remove a user from system |
| 04:45.05 | tarzeau | Seb: i think because of you i will be freed of the duty making network maps manually on windows: http://nic.phys.ethz.ch/readme/87 |
| 04:45.13 | tarzeau | metbsd: yes i understand |
| 04:45.16 | Seb | metbsd: i usually emacs /etc/group for that |
| 04:45.20 | tarzeau | metbsd: and did you try what i told you? |
| 04:45.32 | tarzeau | metbsd: it's the reverse of adduser user group |
| 04:45.34 | stoned | utopia_: of course I smoke man, c'mon. I can't believe you asked me that, and I can't believe you fell for that bullshit :) |
| 04:45.37 | Seb | tarzeau: you most likely meant "thanks to me" heh |
| 04:45.46 | metbsd | tarzeau, i did, it does not work |
| 04:45.56 | tarzeau | Seb: exactly :) thanks |
| 04:46.00 | Seb | heh |
| 04:46.16 | gholm | how can I restart udev ?? |
| 04:46.32 | MangosDebian | nvz: check your firewalls, probably something not making it back and forth. although I don't seem to recall ssh ever doing anything out of band itself. try bump 300 to say 30seconds and test |
| 04:46.36 | stoned | Seb: I am from south Louisiana |
| 04:46.36 | tarzeau | metbsd: i tried it too: it works: |
| 04:46.42 | streuner | gholm: the same ways as always via /etc/init.d/ |
| 04:46.50 | stoned | oops |
| 04:47.09 | stoned | I'm roasted man |
| 04:47.14 | metbsd | i don't trust editing /etc/passwd |
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| 04:47.20 | streuner | gholm: /etc/init.d/udev (start/restart/stop) |
| 04:47.22 | tarzeau | metbsd: id gurkan>uid=1001(gurkan) gid=1001(gurkan) groups=1001(gurkan),29(audio) then deluser gurkan audio ;id gurkan uid=1001(gurkan) gid=1001(gurkan) groups=1001(gurkan) |
| 04:47.22 | stoned | holy shit i better get to bed man i need to go to work tomororw |
| 04:47.28 | utopia_ | stoned, lol |
| 04:47.37 | MangosDebian | nvz: and what does the connection get listed as in netstat? established? what about at the routers with netstat-nat? |
| 04:48.16 | metbsd | tarzeau, id Debian-exim |
| 04:48.17 | metbsd | uid=103(Debian-exim) gid=103(ssh) groups=103(ssh),102(Debian-exim) |
| 04:48.28 | metbsd | i want to remove the ssh from it |
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| 04:48.38 | tarzeau | metbsd: deluser Debian-exim ssh ? |
| 04:49.18 | metbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:49.18 | metbsd | /usr/sbin/deluser: /usr/sbin/deluser: mail1:/usr/lib/cgi-bin/openwebmail# |
| 04:50.01 | tarzeau | metbsd: what says dpkg -S /usr/sbin/deluser |
| 04:50.30 | nvz | MangosDebian: the routers are hardware routers.. in my house the modem is the router, in the borough building they got a linksys |
| 04:50.37 | gholm | streuner: thanks |
| 04:50.40 | tarzeau | metbsd: i just tried the exactly same thing with Debian-exim and ssh, and it worked. but i have 3.103 of adduser |
| 04:50.41 | Olgem | Can anyone point me to a good end-all guide on debian repositories? |
| 04:50.47 | tarzeau | metbsd: i mean dpkg -l adduser |
| 04:51.06 | metbsd | dpkg -S /usr/sbin/deluser |
| 04:51.07 | dpkg | There is no record of a /usr/sbin/deluser package |
| 04:51.07 | metbsd | adduser: /usr/sbin/deluser |
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| 04:51.16 | tarzeau | metbsd: it's a bug, what you have |
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| 04:51.18 | tarzeau | metbsd: it works here |
| 04:51.26 | metbsd | etch 4.0 |
| 04:51.30 | nvz | MangosDebian: it would be kinda a pita to go look at that router.. its not far I could walk there and I have keys, but well.. I don't have the secretary's password to her desktop and my server doesnt have a video card, I'd have to shut it down and my computer and take my video card out.. blah blah blah.. heh |
| 04:51.31 | tarzeau | metbsd: or an error in your data |
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| 04:51.45 | MangosDebian | nvz: i wouldnt probably ignore the routers for the moment since there isnt too many ways I can think of to easily test them as the source. But it is possible they are causing the time out. |
| 04:51.55 | terr_ | stoned: Does the debian install of gwenview add an entry to the kicker? |
| 04:52.03 | MangosDebian | s/wouldnt/would/ |
| 04:52.48 | metbsd | tarzeau, what do you have? |
| 04:53.08 | tarzeau | metbsd: i tried it on sid. but i'm sure it'd work on etch too |
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| 04:53.28 | tarzeau | metbsd: did you edit any of those files manually? |
| 04:53.37 | terr_ | stoned: it does - found it thanx. |
| 04:53.38 | metbsd | which files? |
| 04:53.42 | metbsd | tarzeau, which files? |
| 04:53.52 | nvz | MangosDebian: I get nothing on that other sysctl command |
| 04:53.52 | tarzeau | metbsd: any in /etc (passwd,shadow,group*)? |
| 04:53.55 | stoned | terr_: found what? |
| 04:54.08 | metbsd | tarzeau, no, what's shadow for? |
| 04:54.18 | tarzeau | metbsd: man shadow |
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| 04:54.44 | MangosDebian | nvz: which one? ip_conntrack? |
| 04:55.05 | nvz | MangosDebian: yeah |
| 04:55.07 | MangosDebian | nvz: sysctl -a | grep ^net | less |
| 04:55.14 | metbsd | so which file should i edit if i want to remove a belonging group from a user |
| 04:55.29 | MangosDebian | nvz: then /<search text> for ip_conn |
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| 04:56.37 | nvz | MangosDebian: pattern not found |
| 04:56.47 | metbsd | hi MangosDebian |
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| 04:57.09 | Seb | metbsd: i said that to you before. /etc/group |
| 04:57.10 | MangosDebian | nvz: so the box your using doesnt actually do the nat itself then, the router does right? |
| 04:57.21 | nvz | MangosDebian: yeah of course ;) |
| 04:57.25 | MangosDebian | nvz: if you had netfilter loaded for connection tracking, it would appear there |
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| 04:58.47 | nvz | MangosDebian: ah, no.. they are hardware routers doing the nat/masq stuff.. like I said here at my house its an all-in-one modem, router/gateway, access-point deal, and the borough building has all the pcs in the office my server is on, hooked to a linksys router and the police dept also has a big netgear hub in there |
| 04:59.22 | MangosDebian | nvz: ok, i misread then sorry. If it is your side its either going to be a firewall blocking something important, or one of those timeout values from sysctl. try /300 and see what is related and check the kernel docs for meanings |
| 04:59.29 | brandon_ | i wish i had a house |
| 04:59.31 | brandon_ | of my own |
| 04:59.40 | mo1991 | does anyone know where I can get the .deb packages of synce versioin 10 |
| 04:59.47 | metbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.47 | metbsd | uid=103(Debian-exim) gid=103(ssh) groups=103(ssh),102(Debian-exim) |
| 04:59.47 | metbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.26 | MangosDebian | nvz: well, its very possible that the router has a 5 minute timeout for security. but its hard to test which end is ending the conversation without being about to log from both ends of the router |
| 05:00.34 | MangosDebian | hi metbsd. |
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| 05:01.51 | MangosDebian | nvz: if you can, start a packet sniff for ssh only on both end points. see if they both are getting send something odd like RST from appearing from each other when neither ends actually send. that would seem to verify the routers as a cause |
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| 05:02.02 | MangosDebian | nvz: well, ssh and icmp's |
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| 05:02.30 | nvz | MangosDebian: I suppose I could try tomorrow when the secretary is in on here pc which sits right next to my server and see if it times out from there |
| 05:02.44 | MangosDebian | nvz: just dump to a file on both boxen and then use pcap tool and merge the files and browse them at same time to make it easier to parse |
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| 05:03.19 | nvz | MangosDebian: the problem like I said has always happened when I use ssh and nothing is happening.. but I generally ssh across the internet |
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| 05:03.52 | Gigantic | My ISP is an ass |
| 05:04.01 | Seb | Gigantic: what ISP is not one ? |
| 05:04.05 | MangosDebian | nvz: is this secratary machine doing any nat as well? or just forwarding to the router out to net? |
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| 05:04.44 | nvz | MangosDebian: her machine, her backup server, and my machine all sit right there next to her desk plugged into the linksys box. |
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| 05:05.02 | Gigantic | called to know the IP range, but as they didn't have a clue of wtf I was talking about, they disconnected me 'cause they believed I wanted to hack something ! |
| 05:05.09 | nvz | MangosDebian: could the router still cause problems even when they are on a LAN together? |
| 05:05.10 | MangosDebian | nvz: I would think its the linksys. google for linksys tcp timeout |
| 05:05.16 | Gigantic | 'e| |
| 05:05.28 | nvz | MangosDebian: well my modem is a piece of shit :P |
| 05:05.44 | nvz | MangosDebian: Motorolla SBG-900 all-in-wonder crap |
| 05:05.52 | MangosDebian | nvz: anytime you get nat'd, timeout values would apply or else the router would fill its connection tracking tables overnight |
| 05:05.57 | nvz | multi-funciton network devices scare the shit out of me |
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| 05:06.42 | MangosDebian | nvz: a router which forwards only wouldnt care, it just forwards each packet as it comes and goes. but an internet router is nat not just forwarding |
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| 05:07.38 | jrwr | Im trying to install the Nvidia Drivers on Lenny and im getting this error in the logs " FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops' " |
| 05:07.51 | MangosDebian | nvz: if it is the router, just use screen and open a second window with ping or something running in the background every 60 seconds or so to keep the connection alive |
| 05:08.09 | jrwr | NTP is good at that :) |
| 05:08.46 | nvz | MangosDebian: well this problem never occured when I have something like irssi running in ssh which is keeping it active |
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| 05:08.53 | MangosDebian | nvz: it needs to be a packet over ssh though through the same connection. sec, i got a package in mind |
| 05:08.59 | nvz | MangosDebian: it only happens if its inactive for like 5 minutes |
| 05:09.36 | mo1991 | can someone explain to me how to install programs from the svn using the svn client in debian or point me in the right direction? |
| 05:09.44 | nvz | If I ran irssi from there using ssh and connected to #debian it wouldn't timeout on me I am fairly certain of it |
| 05:10.01 | MangosDebian | nvz: thinking something like binclock which displays the time in the corner, but that is console only i think |
| 05:10.12 | liable | mo1991: svn co http;//svn.foo.org/branch |
| 05:10.34 | liable | strange some people get that ssh timeout and others dont |
| 05:10.36 | nvz | MangosDebian: what would be my options for keeping the connection alive when I am doing things if this these shitty routers are closing my connection? |
| 05:10.43 | liable | i have had idle seesions up for days |
| 05:11.06 | stoned | me too |
| 05:11.17 | stoned | other than possession I can't think of anything |
| 05:11.25 | stoned | call an exorcist |
| 05:11.36 | nvz | liable: its not even a real timeout.. the screen freezes, and if I create another screen window and ssh in again uptime says there are two users and ps shows that the process is still running |
| 05:11.53 | stoned | maybe its a screen bug? |
| 05:12.07 | liable | nvz: does it timeout after a while though? |
| 05:12.09 | nvz | so its as though either the routers are cutting the connection cause its inactive or someone is somehow stealing my connection using it somewhere else |
| 05:12.23 | MangosDebian | nvz: well, you cant just background something. it has to go back out the same port's. so you you would need to idle on a screen that has activity (easy enough), or setup an ssh tunnel instead and vpn it. then you can just setup a screen with background and ping or something |
| 05:12.27 | nvz | liable: no, doesn't timeout really, just freezes, and I can't type anything on that window until I kill it |
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| 05:13.11 | liable | strange, when my connection drops, ssh-client does exactly that, then times out after quite a while |
| 05:13.18 | nvz | MangosDebian: I'm not real network literate.. but I don't understand why ssh's keepalive feature isnt helping me here |
| 05:13.41 | nvz | na its not dropping the connection, its just going out to lunch |
| 05:13.51 | MangosDebian | nvz: nor do i. thats why i suggest packet logs to dig a little deeper |
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| 05:15.03 | nvz | MangosDebian: I know enough to do a tcp dump but I don't fully grok what I am looking at.. nor do I know how to just grab the info I am looking for |
| 05:15.07 | MangosDebian | nvz: sounds like the router is just dropping the packets after timeout rather than icmp being sent |
| 05:15.34 | MangosDebian | nvz: use wireshark in X. far easier to use if you arent good with cli syntax |
| 05:16.10 | andrupal | Having Ubuntu/ Windows XP dual boot installation problems. Installer keeps hanging while configuring boot installer...anyone know why this is happening? |
| 05:16.29 | stoned | andrupal: you should ask in ##windows or #ubuntu |
| 05:16.36 | streuner | and why do you ask here instead of #ubuntu? |
| 05:16.46 | andrupal | I thought I was there ;) |
| 05:16.55 | stoned | this is #debian |
| 05:17.12 | stoned | andrupal: please go to the channel of your distro |
| 05:17.15 | andrupal | Hmm...chatzilla spazzed out on me. |
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| 05:17.42 | nvz | MangosDebian: I recently discovered this little duo netwox/netwag.. but like I said I am pretty networking illiterate so I can't even use that toolkit to its full potential.. heh |
| 05:18.15 | MangosDebian | never heard of em |
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| 05:18.37 | metbsd | MangosDebian, do you know how to remove a group from a user where it belongs to? |
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| 05:18.47 | nvz | MangosDebian: I'm installing wireshark but I can only really use X from this end, unless I install vncserver on the other end, and that still would require me opening a port on the router which I can't do from here I don't think |
| 05:18.56 | nvz | not sure if the linksys router has telnet access or not |
| 05:19.09 | Gh0stDK | I am trying to install a rpm, and i read that i had to use Alien to convert the package so i just installed it. But when i try to run: alien -d nameoffile.rpm i get this msg: sh: rpm: command not found |
| 05:19.09 | Gh0stDK | Error executing "LANG=C rpm -qp --queryformat %{SUMMARY} nameoffile.rpm": at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Alien/Package.pm line 466. Any suggestions? :) |
| 05:19.09 | nvz | don't really want to do vnc to that box anyhow |
| 05:19.43 | streuner | Gh0stDK: there are many packages around, why a rpm? |
| 05:20.14 | streuner | !depends alien |
| 05:20.16 | dpkg | alien: depends on debhelper (>= 3), perl (>= 5.6.0-16), rpm (>= 2.4.4-2), dpkg-dev, make, cpio |
| 05:20.17 | Gh0stDK | The only thing i could download was a rpm :o/ |
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| 05:20.28 | nvz | MangosDebian: wireshark doesnt show me any um.. interfaces.. does it need to be run as root to function? |
| 05:20.36 | streuner | Gh0stDK: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 05:21.34 | Gh0stDK | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 05:22.12 | streuner | Whats "nameoffile"? |
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| 05:22.58 | Gh0stDK | Name Of File :) |
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| 05:23.09 | metrix | I am getting a message LANGUAGE = UNSET after creating a new xen instance.. do you know where I set this? and what I should set it to? |
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| 05:23.23 | streuner | Gh0stDK: Whats the URL where get that from? |
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| 05:26.40 | MangosDebian | nvz: ya, unless your user has access to read the raw eth device |
| 05:27.04 | MangosDebian | nvz: not even sure if there is a device by default in linux without setting up a tap device though |
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| 05:28.05 | nvz | MangosDebian: yeah I ran it with gk-su.. its weird all the traffic I see seems to be from 192.168.0.13 it must have scanned in promisc mode, cause that not my IP, mine is .12 |
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| 05:28.58 | MangosDebian | nvz: is .13 your gw? |
| 05:29.30 | nvz | MangosDebian: nope another node |
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| 05:29.55 | brandon_ | nvz: is wireshark a wireless configuration tool? |
| 05:29.55 | nvz | MangosDebian: first packet I came across addressed to me says its a Microsoft Messenger service packet o.O :P |
| 05:29.59 | MangosDebian | nvz: what was the dest ip? broadcast? also, whats your subnet netmask and bcast? |
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| 05:30.06 | nvz | brandon_: na its a packet sniffer |
| 05:30.16 | brandon_ | is it in repos? |
| 05:30.47 | MangosDebian | nvz: if your on a switch you shouldnt see that kinda stuff unless someones screwing around with arp's. switch either fails open or close on flood |
| 05:30.49 | nvz | MangosDebian: subnet mask is 255.255.255.0 gw is 192.168.0.1 and not sure about the broadcast |
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| 05:31.23 | nvz | MangosDebian: I'm on a hub with my brother, everyone else uses the wireless integrated into the modem |
| 05:31.53 | nvz | MangosDebian: he may or may not even have anything on the hub.. he uses it sometimes, mostly for his xbox 360 :P |
| 05:32.57 | MangosDebian | nvz: its a hub and not a switch? |
| 05:33.00 | brandon_ | nvz: are you sniffing other computers? |
| 05:33.01 | nvz | WTF! there is an IPX packet showing up on here |
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| 05:33.21 | nvz | MangosDebian: I am sure its a hub, and not a switch |
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| 05:34.42 | MangosDebian | nvz: ahh ok then, that would be normal to see other packets then |
| 05:35.03 | MangosDebian | imMute: oh heya :) |
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| 05:36.05 | nvz | hmm I think .13 is my brothers box, looking at the kinds of data and the ammount.. I only captured a few minutes and most all the traffic is his.. I got maybe two packets, and there was one IPX packet which blows me away.. like I said I am not a network literate, but last I checked ipx was usually over serial/parallel |
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| 05:36.54 | MangosDebian | nvz: windows box could be using ipx |
| 05:37.28 | MangosDebian | nvz: ipx usually needed for older games that lacked local network game tcp |
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| 05:39.18 | dewey | hello |
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| 05:39.33 | dewey | will the 1st dvd be enough to install etch? |
| 05:39.39 | gholm | how can I tell what version of udev is installed? |
| 05:39.51 | dondelelcaro | dewey: yes |
| 05:39.55 | dondelelcaro | gholm: dpkg -l udev |
| 05:39.58 | dewey | ok thanx |
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| 05:40.49 | dondelelcaro | dewey: you may want a couple of packages that aren't on it, but the vast majority of things will be there. [And you can easily install the last bits from the network] |
| 05:40.50 | nvz | MangosDebian: I'll investigate that weird shit later.. I found something strange related to my ssh.. I'm not fully understanding the color coding on this wireshark and other things.. but the information I do understand is the packets that are ssh I captured are from me only without response, and they are not to the IP I am ssh to |
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| 05:41.36 | nvz | MangosDebian: ah wait maybe the IP is right.. I was looking at it weird cause they are red text with a black highlight hurts my eyes :P |
| 05:42.09 | brandon_ | how do i restart panel? |
| 05:42.10 | liable | better? |
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| 05:43.28 | _eXoDuS | hey, anyone know how to quickly convert an ogg theora video to mpeg or avi? |
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| 05:44.07 | liable | anyone use a belkin ups? just those little home ones. |
| 05:44.23 | nvz | MangosDebian: well I got as far as SSH package is concerned during this short capture these are all from me to the ssh server, I assume it was just shortly before/after the session froze up, first two are Encrypted Request Packet, then a TCP-out-of-order, then 3 TCP retransmission packets |
| 05:44.55 | liable | _eXoDuS: mencoder is prolly the answer |
| 05:45.40 | MangosDebian | nvz: 3 retransmissions? the tcp retrans timeout with the 5minute value iirc from sysctl |
| 05:45.42 | liable | make the silly windows people use ogg is a better one |
| 05:45.43 | nvz | yeah I guess the connection does actually timeout after awhile.. it just timed out while I was reading the trace |
| 05:45.53 | MangosDebian | nvz: wait nm you didnt have netfilter running |
| 05:45.59 | metbsd | how do i list all groups in system? |
| 05:46.34 | MangosDebian | nvz: might wanna google for the meaning of the out of order. not sure why that would be occuring or what affects it might have on you |
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| 05:46.50 | liable | metbsd: cat /etc/group |
| 05:46.59 | MangosDebian | nvz: anyways, i got some stuff I need to attend to now if you think your good to handle this yourself now |
| 05:47.12 | Gigantic | Someone know where is this file located: chrome://browser-region/locale/region.properties |
| 05:47.16 | Gigantic | ? |
| 05:47.20 | nvz | MangosDebian: I like this tool better than the tcpdump/netdude I am used to. I think I need to learn to use wireshark better first then take a longer capture from beginning of ssh connection through the 5 minute freeze, all the way until it eventually times out |
| 05:47.37 | liable | Gigantic: for mozilla based browser? |
| 05:47.45 | Gigantic | liable: ah,... yes |
| 05:48.13 | nvz | MangosDebian: I'm only half paying attention myself.. heh.. I am doing a dozen other things .. so yeah.. go ahead :P |
| 05:48.47 | MangosDebian | nvz: thanks. gl with it. let me know if you get it figured though |
| 05:48.49 | Gigantic | liable: ah... got is... it's inside the locale jars |
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| 05:49.11 | Gigantic | liable: :) |
| 05:49.13 | liable | Gigantic: ya, just unzip em |
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| 05:49.21 | nvz | then I am gonna use it to spy on my brother after I learn to use it.. he causes us a shitload of network problems with whatever it is he does all the time.. cause when we tell him to knock it off shit works better.. I think he runs torrents 24-7 without throttling |
| 05:49.49 | nvz | not to mention streaming video/audio all the time |
| 05:50.45 | nvz | his packets and mine are the only ones showing up.. I wonder if I can still capture other people that are using the wireless.. I don't think anyone else is online at this hour |
| 05:50.54 | liable | interesting when you discover he has a fetish for slugs, you'll never look the same at him again when he heads out to the veggie garden |
| 05:51.35 | nvz | hah. the content of packets looks like gibberish to me anyhow |
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| 05:51.51 | nvz | I'm just looking for what he's doing to saturate our connection |
| 05:52.03 | nvz | I wanna test out packet garden too.. that thing looks cool :P |
| 05:52.05 | liable | its in there, in the tcp section |
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| 05:52.53 | liable | go to a hotspot and you can get most peoples email usernames and passwords |
| 05:53.05 | nvz | I'm just wondering if it does its own capture and if its live, or if I gotta supply it with data |
| 05:53.19 | liable | eh? |
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| 05:53.34 | nvz | liable: you never looked at packet garden project? |
| 05:53.43 | liable | oh, no |
| 05:53.47 | nvz | I never bothered trying it yet cause I had a shitty video card |
| 05:53.57 | nvz | but now I got a TNT2/RIVA at least |
| 05:54.01 | nvz | well.. |
| 05:54.09 | nvz | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] (rev 15) |
| 05:54.53 | TiMiDo | hey how do you download the flash plugin for mozilla? |
| 05:54.54 | TiMiDo | anyone ? |
| 05:55.02 | liable | !flash |
| 05:55.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 05:55.18 | nvz | liable: packet garden creates a visual 3d universe, with a seperate planet for each protocol and uploads/downloads are represented as hills and valleys and each IP is a location on the planet |
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| 05:55.40 | liable | nvz: ya, i just seen it, looks funky |
| 05:55.42 | nvz | liable: gives you a 3d visual of network usage |
| 05:56.10 | liable | anyone played with gnuradio? |
| 05:56.39 | nvz | liable: I was looking at its dependencies and from that I think it actually captures packets in real time, but I'm not sure cause I never really tried it and the site doesnt really say if it does it or you have to do a tcpdump first |
| 05:57.04 | nvz | would be way cooler if it were dynamic and captured its own data |
| 05:57.21 | nvz | and if it runs on that old ass TNT2 card I got.. heh |
| 05:57.24 | liable | i guess it needs a promiscuous device to listen on |
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| 05:57.35 | nvz | I don't even know if I can run BZflag anymore with this card |
| 05:57.49 | nvz | I used to play on it, but BZflag has changed a lot since then |
| 05:59.04 | liable | gnu-radio looks cool, but quite difficult. bit expensive for the usrp too. |
| 05:59.09 | Gh0stDK | When i browse my folder, each folder gets a new window. Is it possible to change it so you navigate in 1 window? |
| 05:59.16 | liable | gnome? |
| 05:59.30 | Gh0stDK | yes |
| 05:59.58 | liable | preferences->behaviour->always open in browser windows |
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| 06:00.23 | liable | !folder |
| 06:00.23 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 06:00.45 | Gh0stDK | thanks :) |
| 06:00.54 | nvz | hah, I just found a new game I never knew about going to the BZflag website just now.. Warzone 2100.. I should nag about getting this in debian just so we have more games.. it says Edios released it under GPL back in 04 |
| 06:01.00 | nvz | I never even heard of the game |
| 06:01.21 | liable | don't tell tarzeau |
| 06:01.51 | TiMiDo | hey how do you download the flash plugin for mozilla? |
| 06:02.04 | nvz | heh, yeah well I think even its meager graphics are too advanced for him.. he seems to like simple games :P |
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| 06:03.08 | nvz | Thats really cool if they released the engine and the data.. I didn't read up on it much cause I am off on a tangent as it is.. heh |
| 06:03.13 | liable | TiMiDo: see what dpkg said last time you asked |
| 06:03.17 | nvz | Most companies only release the engine |
| 06:03.35 | TiMiDo | Download done. |
| 06:03.36 | TiMiDo | md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz |
| 06:03.36 | TiMiDo | The Flash plugin is NOT installed. |
| 06:03.38 | liable | TiMiDo: I wouldn't imagine that google would come up barren to a search for flash |
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| 06:05.00 | liable | TiMiDo: there is a flash-plugin thing in the non-free repo that does it for you |
| 06:06.34 | tarzeau | nvz: url? |
| 06:06.47 | tarzeau | nvz, liable: man i play www.sauerbraten.org |
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| 06:10.22 | bonez31 | what's the netstat option to find a specific port, to see what's listening on that port? |
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| 06:13.19 | dondelelcaro | bonez31: it doesn't; use fuser. |
| 06:13.23 | dondelelcaro | bonez31: or grep |
| 06:13.41 | Olgem | Can anyone point me to a good end-all guide on debian repositories? |
| 06:13.47 | liable | netstat -plunt|grep <port> |
| 06:13.57 | bonez31 | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 06:14.00 | dondelelcaro | Olgem: end all in what respect? |
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| 06:14.56 | siimo | Olgem: there are 3 debian repositories, main contrib and non-free there you have it. |
| 06:15.04 | dondelelcaro | Don Armstrong |
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| 06:15.09 | dondelelcaro | hrm... that's exciting |
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| 06:15.36 | yigal | Olgem: what do you want to know? |
| 06:15.37 | liable | eh? |
| 06:16.01 | liable | dondelelcaro: feeling ok? ;) |
| 06:16.02 | Olgem | nothing specific, but I have apt installed with a minimal net-install |
| 06:16.20 | valdyn | !tcpip |
| 06:16.24 | dondelelcaro | liable: yeah, just random stuff in the paste buffer |
| 06:16.24 | valdyn | !tcp/ip |
| 06:16.25 | dpkg | tcp/ip is, like, (Transmission Control Protocol / Internet Protocol) The TCP/IP suite first saw usage on the original Department of Defense Internet in 1983. Its first implementation was amazingly successful, and it is still THE protocol of the Internet. In fact, it has grown even more and is being used in private networks around the world. TCP/IP is a suite of communications protocols that allows communication between groups of dissimilar computer ... |
| 06:16.37 | Olgem | and I apt-get update, but I don't know what repositories i should add for applications such as IRSSI or lynx, nano etc |
| 06:16.59 | yigal | Olgem: get yourself a copy of doc-debian |
| 06:17.00 | valdyn | Olgem: you run 'apt-cache search irssi' |
| 06:17.01 | Olgem | I also don't know much about pgp key sigs that I would have to add |
| 06:17.03 | dondelelcaro | Olgem: you don't need to add any repositories; the default has them all. |
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| 06:17.27 | corpcomp | I am atempting to run "apache2-ssl-certificate" and I get "command not found" error. Any thoughts? I am new to Debian and Apache2 |
| 06:17.30 | Olgem | Yeah, but apt-get install <whatever> doesn't have anything for anything after update |
| 06:17.46 | Olgem | yigal, doc-debian? I'll gogole for it |
| 06:17.52 | yigal | Olgem: open up your sources list |
| 06:17.59 | siimo | Olgem: try apt-cache search stuff |
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| 06:18.21 | Olgem | I have about 2-3 sources on install, its on another partition with no WM |
| 06:18.26 | valdyn | Olgem: im sure there's no package 'anything' anywhere. Specifics would be useful |
| 06:18.31 | yigal | Olgem: it sounds like you need to add some sources |
| 06:18.43 | Olgem | Yes, but I'm not sure what sources to add |
| 06:18.57 | Olgem | :< |
| 06:19.02 | dondelelcaro | Olgem: you only need two sources; that's it. |
| 06:19.17 | dondelelcaro | Olgem: if you're not sure if you have the right ones, use a paste site to show us your sources.list |
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| 06:19.51 | Olgem | Sure. I haven't dinked around in it for too long I could probably figure it out. Thanks, I'm gonig to boot up into debian. |
| 06:19.52 | Olgem | :/' |
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| 06:21.30 | nvz | tarzeau: hmm.. http://wz2100.net/ |
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| 06:32.45 | cellofellow | Hi |
| 06:33.20 | pressenter | Moin. |
| 06:34.19 | cellofellow | How do I configure Exim so I can send and receive email among my LAN boxes, and send to internet addresses. I'm not interested in setting up an internet server. |
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| 06:34.48 | cellofellow | (I have a mixed network of Etch server and Ubuntu desktops. I hope the exim settings in Debian apply to Ubuntu too.) |
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| 06:36.03 | valdyn | cellofellow: the 'settiung up an internet server' ( i guess you mean for recieving ) is trivial.. the sending part isnt |
| 06:36.20 | cellofellow | I figured as much. |
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| 06:36.44 | cellofellow | Still, I assume all i have to do to not set up an internet server is not forward the SMTP port. |
| 06:37.09 | valdyn | cellofellow: what kind of system is this? dialup ? dynamic ips? got your own dns domain name? |
| 06:38.19 | cellofellow | I have DSL with dynamic ip and dyndns.org. My internal domain is not the same as my external, which is cellofellow.homelinux.net. |
| 06:38.37 | cellofellow | my internal is just gardner, so the server is server1.gardner, etc. |
| 06:39.12 | cellofellow | I don't see how that effects being able to deliver to gmail for example. |
| 06:39.16 | valdyn | cellofellow: sending to internet addresses should go over 3rd party mail providers.. |
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| 06:39.59 | cellofellow | I'm running a Drupal installation that needs to send mail to whomever wants a password, or such as that. |
| 06:40.05 | valdyn | cellofellow: gmail is not one of the particularily sensitive destinations, many will just dump your mail though |
| 06:40.08 | bonez31 | cellofellow: ever experience any trouble with applications wanting you to have your MX records set up a certain way? I have the same thing...cable modem. with dynamic IP...and dyndns.org |
| 06:40.42 | cellofellow | what's MX records? Sorry, I'm hazy on the inner workings of email. |
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| 06:41.21 | valdyn | cellofellow: 'dig MX gmail.com' returns the mail server for @gmail.com mail |
| 06:41.34 | cellofellow | ok |
| 06:41.44 | bonez31 | cellofellow: ah, glad someone else is hazy about MX records too... |
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| 06:42.21 | valdyn | !dict hazy |
| 06:42.23 | dpkg | Dictionary 'hazy' (3): filled or abounding with fog or mist; "a brumous October morning" ;; indistinct or hazy in outline; "a landscape of blurred outlines"; "the trees were just blurry shapes" ;; Hazy \Ha"zy\, a. [From Haze, n.] 1. Thick with haze; somewhat obscured with haze; not clear or transparent. ``A tender, hazy brightness.'' --Wordsworth.. |
| 06:42.34 | cellofellow | not clear |
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| 06:44.34 | cellofellow | How does Exim4 work? Say I use mutt to send mail to someaddress@gmail.com, will Exim just straighway shoot that mail off to gmail.com using SMTP? |
| 06:44.47 | valdyn | cellofellow: im still not entirely clear what you need but so far.. |
| 06:45.31 | cellofellow | I want to: 1st) be able to send email to internet addresses with the MTA. 2nd) send email to other machines on the LAN with MTA. |
| 06:45.38 | cellofellow | Local delivery already works. |
| 06:45.52 | cellofellow | I don't have ISP email. |
| 06:46.03 | cellofellow | My ISP does offer, but I use Gmail. |
| 06:46.09 | valdyn | cellofellow: you cant already send to the internet? |
| 06:46.47 | cellofellow | if I send to mellowcellofellow@gmail.com with mutt, it sends and exim doesn't complain. I looked at the logs. But it never shows up in my gmail inbox. |
| 06:47.20 | valdyn | is exim configured as internet site? ( dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ) |
| 06:47.26 | cellofellow | yes |
| 06:47.29 | cellofellow | I just did that. |
| 06:47.56 | cellofellow | do ports need forwarded? |
| 06:48.00 | abchirk | hi all :) |
| 06:48.13 | valdyn | cellofellow: thats enough to just send mail, plenty servers will dump youi though |
| 06:48.25 | cellofellow | yeah, but it didn't work. |
| 06:48.37 | valdyn | cellofellow: add an MX entry at dyndns.org |
| 06:48.47 | cellofellow | k, one sec |
| 06:48.58 | tralala | cellofellow, exim can do direct deliveries or "smarthost" forwarding |
| 06:49.18 | cellofellow | yeah, ok, where do I get a smarthost? |
| 06:49.27 | valdyn | cellofellow: but if you are in a dynamic ip, you CANNOT do relable email sending without a smarthost |
| 06:49.42 | tralala | cellofellow, I think you can use google as one |
| 06:49.48 | valdyn | cellofellow: smarthost is provided by you 3rd party email service |
| 06:50.41 | cellofellow | ok, I'm logged in to dyndns.org, what's this MX thing and how do I set it? |
| 06:50.45 | valdyn | cellofellow: 'smtp.gmail.com ' is one, you will have to authenticate though and you cant send for random From:, only for your gmail address |
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| 06:51.12 | cellofellow | :( not gonna help with drupal |
| 06:51.29 | valdyn | cellofellow: why not? |
| 06:51.55 | cellofellow | well, it may. Just not sure it should come from my email address is all. |
| 06:52.02 | valdyn | cellofellow: if you need mail to be From: some@thing.specific. Pay a service to do it. |
| 06:52.12 | cellofellow | k |
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| 06:52.32 | tralala | actually you can configure a number of From: addresses withgmail to |
| 06:52.36 | cellofellow | didn't know setting up your own email server was such a pain. Setting up my own webserver was a snap. |
| 06:52.44 | cellofellow | tralala: yeah, but with smtp? |
| 06:52.47 | valdyn | tralala: 'a number' ? |
| 06:53.05 | cellofellow | a large amount |
| 06:53.15 | tralala | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:53.22 | valdyn | tralala: ah neat |
| 06:53.48 | tralala | and now that I've come to that I should try to setup a smarthost myself |
| 06:54.20 | valdyn | cellofellow: this looks kinda interesting |
| 06:54.52 | valdyn | cellofellow: like you could add your various_accounts@yourown.domain ( using many gmail accounts ) and let gmail deliver |
| 06:55.09 | cellofellow | sure |
| 06:55.19 | cellofellow | gmail can even receive mail through pop |
| 06:55.33 | cellofellow | the web interface |
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| 06:55.56 | valdyn | cellofellow: you send via gmail, you recieve on your own smtp server |
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| 06:56.11 | cellofellow | yeah |
| 06:56.22 | cellofellow | sounds good |
| 06:57.07 | valdyn | now im not sure how reliable that would be though sine the reverse lookup of From: would still lead to a fishy dyndns dns entry |
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| 06:57.40 | cellofellow | I wish people would stop spamming, then there wouldn't be stupid problems. |
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| 06:58.19 | sandman | Anyone here use Wondershaper? |
| 06:58.53 | valdyn | pointing your MX to google cound be interesting too |
| 06:58.59 | valdyn | pointing your MX to google could be interesting too |
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| 07:01.08 | valdyn | cellofellow: i dont know much about dyndns.org. I know that afraid.org lets you add MX entries for free |
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| 07:04.46 | tralala | google will likely reject emails for non-google domains |
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| 07:07.25 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 07:07.25 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:08.24 | cellofellow | All I want is a decentralized system, I'm not a fan of big centralized control servers for only three or four boxes. I want to be able to send to otheruser@otherbox.gardner and have it be delivered to their mbox, and to have mail sent to user@internetaddress.com go to user@internetaddress.com |
| 07:08.35 | cellofellow | But, I'm tired and should try another day. |
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| 07:10.21 | nvz | tarzeau: sauerbraten seems like its a little too fast paced.. many FPS seem that way to me.. its like people float around way too fast I thought that playing UT.. what happened to walking around when carrying large weapons? |
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| 07:13.36 | cafuego | does anyone remember idiot demonoid user from yesterday? |
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| 07:16.16 | valdyn | cafuego: no in the log |
| 07:16.18 | cahoot | the warez guy? |
| 07:16.20 | Intensity | Hi. I want to run a 2.6.16 kernel from 3.1 backports under xen as a dom0. Version 2.6.18 from 4.0 seems to run fine, but when I boot the 2.6.16 one I get "PAE mode mismatch error (xen=yes dom0=no)", and then it reboots. And when I select a non-PAE xen hypervisor and the same (supposedly non-PAE) 2.6.16 kernel, I get a stall then reboot without that error. Any ideas why I'm not getting 2.6.16 to work? |
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| 07:16.34 | cafuego | cahoot: yah |
| 07:16.41 | cafuego | I just got a resposne from his ISP. |
| 07:17.17 | cafuego | "The user in question has been contacted by Optus and advised that such behaviour is not acceptable as per Optus' broadband AUP and TC's. The user has been warned that further abuse of their service will result in suspension or termination." |
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| 07:29.49 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 07:32.10 | liable | moin moin! |
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| 07:34.29 | hermuli | can anyone recommend a backup software for debian? |
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| 07:35.08 | Gigantic | hermuli: disk backup? |
| 07:35.20 | Gigantic | hermuli: or file backup? what kind? |
| 07:36.15 | hermuli | file backup to a tape |
| 07:36.22 | hermuli | or you know... :P |
| 07:36.26 | Gigantic | kdat then |
| 07:36.58 | hermuli | ok. thanks, i'll look in to that |
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| 07:37.49 | hermuli | oh... kde is not an option... or any other desktop for that matter... this would be on a server |
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| 07:41.37 | nvz | hermuli: uh then use tar :P |
| 07:41.48 | nvz | !tar |
| 07:41.48 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 07:41.54 | nvz | hmm |
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| 07:43.24 | metbsd | is there a way to change gid of a group |
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| 07:44.44 | nvz | metbsd: yeah its in /etc/group :P |
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| 07:44.56 | cahoot | only there? |
| 07:45.05 | nvz | where else would it be |
| 07:45.46 | nvz | I was thinking that might have effects on users, but I think its referred to by name not number most places |
| 07:45.48 | cahoot | gshadow not affected? |
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| 07:45.57 | nvz | wtf is a gshadow |
| 07:46.20 | nvz | why would you need to shadow /etc/group there isnt any sensitive info in there |
| 07:46.25 | utopia_ | shadow of a gnome |
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| 07:51.31 | TiMiDo | is there something like make menuconf but easier? |
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| 07:52.46 | cahoot | not really anything 'easier' - xconfig (sp?) qtconfig (sp?) |
| 07:52.57 | liable | xconfig for clicky goodness |
| 07:53.35 | liable | if you fint menuconfig difficult, you should think twice about compiling a kernel :P |
| 07:53.47 | liable | s/fint/find/ |
| 07:53.58 | TiMiDo | anyone here knows about the plugin DivX 5 |
| 07:54.07 | Arafangion | liable: I would think twice about compiling a kernel regardless ;) |
| 07:54.34 | Arafangion | liable: Having said that, It's a sign of naivette if one finds something "difficult" - and assumes it must be the style of UI! |
| 07:56.15 | cahoot | the good thing about xconfig is one learns to appreciate menuconfig |
| 07:57.44 | Arafangion | cahoot: That's just because xconfig is badly designed. |
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| 08:02.22 | nvz | I don't think xconfig could be designed well.. you gotta use X for it for fucks sake :P |
| 08:02.44 | nvz | and menuconfig is yummy, so what's the point |
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| 08:10.35 | Arafangion | nvz: A design that didn't use one gazillion popups would be a better design, imho. |
| 08:10.58 | Janni | Hello. Could you please help me with this (hopefully) trivial problem? I want to analyze the boot messages appearing on the console. But how do I get them? It seems, it is not possible to scrool up with Shift+Page-up or using Scroll-Lock. dmesg only gives the kernel messages, and there is no "boot" syslog facility... |
| 08:11.23 | Arafangion | Janni: Redirect your syslog to use a file instead of the console. |
| 08:11.37 | Janni | Hmm. Which facility? |
| 08:11.40 | Arafangion | Janni: I don't have the docs on hand right now, but that's what you have to do. |
| 08:11.52 | Arafangion | Janni: But you'd put them into somewhere in /var/logs |
| 08:12.15 | valdyn | !bootlog |
| 08:12.15 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 08:12.16 | cahoot | Janni, enable bootlogd |
| 08:12.17 | Arafangion | Janni: A pedant would put them out the serial connection or a line printer ;) |
| 08:12.18 | valdyn | Janni: ^^^ |
| 08:13.05 | Janni | Arafangion: The problem is not the kernel messages, I get them with dmesg, but the console output of the bootup-scripts |
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| 08:13.26 | Janni | cahoot: Ah, OK. |
| 08:13.31 | Janni | Let me see... |
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| 08:16.48 | Janni | Hmm... HOW do I enable bootlogd? |
| 08:17.02 | cahoot | Janni, enable bootlogd in /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 08:17.14 | cahoot | chnage no to yes |
| 08:17.14 | Janni | OK, thanks... |
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| 08:21.15 | xBeetle | Hello |
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| 08:24.39 | xBeetle | I want to connect a Linux box running Debian 3.1 to the internet, using my cellphone as modem |
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| 08:25.39 | xBeetle | phone is connected to ttyS1 the connection is veryfied using scmxx |
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| 08:26.34 | xBeetle | I had this info : http://fiachra.ucd.ie/~gavin/docs/s45/normal_isp.html |
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| 08:27.09 | koppernet | where can i see the list of ethc repository?? |
| 08:27.29 | koppernet | etch repository i mean |
| 08:27.37 | xand | !pdo |
| 08:27.37 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 08:27.40 | xand | there |
| 08:27.42 | stew | koppernet: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 08:27.50 | xand | oh that |
| 08:28.02 | koppernet | ok thanks |
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| 08:29.52 | xBeetle | i named my files /etc/chatscripts/gprs and /etc/ppp/peers/gprs |
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| 08:32.56 | xBeetle | if i try to connect with 'pon gprs' i get a message of the ppp generic driver starting |
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| 08:33.31 | xBeetle | but nothning else |
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| 08:33.53 | xBeetle | no error messages but no connection, too |
| 08:34.06 | corpcomp | Newby question: How can I find out what flavor (sarge/etch) of Debian I am running? |
| 08:34.15 | liable | xBeetle: does wvdialconf find the phone? |
| 08:34.19 | cast | hmm, question: i noticed bpo went from 2.6.18 to 2.6.21, with no intermediate releases, does this mean me waiting for 2.6.22 to go into bpo might mean ill be waiting forever? |
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| 08:34.27 | liable | corpcomp: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:34.34 | xBeetle | liable: how to check that? |
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| 08:34.49 | liable | xBeetle: install wvdial, run wvdialconf |
| 08:35.00 | xBeetle | ok |
| 08:35.03 | liable | it should run at install anyway |
| 08:35.55 | liable | cast: who knows why the didnt backport the other kernels |
| 08:35.56 | corpcomp | Debian 4 is refered to as (sarge/etch)? |
| 08:36.02 | liable | yes |
| 08:36.06 | liable | etch |
| 08:36.10 | corpcomp | ty |
| 08:36.43 | cast | liable: well, hopefully someone here :) |
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| 08:37.14 | liable | cast: did debian even do .19, .20? |
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| 08:37.45 | cast | liable: i am not sure |
| 08:38.38 | liable | i dont recall .19, but i think sid had .20 for a while, dunno if it made it to testing |
| 08:39.22 | xBeetle | liable: yes, modem is found |
| 08:39.49 | cast | liable: nah, testing is still on .18 last time i looked. .22 is in experimental |
| 08:40.13 | valdyn | 2.6.22-rc5 |
| 08:40.37 | liable | cast: i am pretty sure lenny has 21 now |
| 08:40.54 | liable | 22 is released isnt it? (mainline) |
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| 08:41.12 | valdyn | liable: its in sid |
| 08:41.30 | liable | xBeetle: sweet, so just use wvdial |
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| 08:42.29 | pocukrani | !paste |
| 08:42.30 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 08:42.51 | liable | xBeetle: or you can make a providor file from its output, i think it makes a file in /etc/pppd anyway iirc |
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| 08:44.13 | pocukrani | please help, i get this nice error vhen i`m trying to configure wine : http://picpaste.com/evo_ti2.png |
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| 08:45.02 | xBeetle | i'll play with it a bit, looks promising |
| 08:45.52 | pocukrani | :) |
| 08:46.29 | zutalors | test please ignore. |
| 08:47.01 | metbsd | petemc, wtf biatch |
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| 08:47.18 | liable | !bitchslap metbsd |
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| 08:51.07 | xBeetle | Liable: the needed init string for GPRS connection would be ' AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","web.vodafone.de" ' |
| 08:51.47 | liable | question or statement? |
| 08:52.02 | xBeetle | but statement from my proider |
| 08:52.15 | xBeetle | -but |
| 08:52.40 | xBeetle | but it gives me an "EOORO BAD INIT STRING" |
| 08:52.47 | xBeetle | can't type |
| 08:53.02 | xBeetle | "ERROR, BAD INIT STRING" |
| 08:54.18 | xBeetle | "make a providor file from its output" you said. How to try that? |
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| 08:55.04 | the_sniff | is there a way to make an etch install not delete conf files? like mysql/apache |
| 08:55.19 | liable | xBeetle: you need to get the init string right first |
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| 08:56.39 | liable | xBeetle: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/printthread.php?t=21726&pp=15&page=52 |
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| 08:58.45 | niru | what package is responsible for fstab |
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| 09:00.26 | cast | none as far as i know, [with debootstrap install you have to write your own from scratch] the mount pkg has the man page for it though |
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| 09:03.10 | tarzeau | nvz: it has no physics engine :) |
| 09:03.18 | tarzeau | nvz: i like the speed. ever played wipeout? even faster |
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| 09:04.44 | stew | niru: no package is responsible for fstab |
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| 09:06.01 | liable | i would hazard a guess that base-config udeb prolly at install |
| 09:09.22 | Shadur | tarzeau: Wazzis? |
| 09:09.37 | liable | furry! |
| 09:09.39 | yangvnc | I need to type each time after reboot "setxkbmap si", even with my rule in xorg.conf #Option "XkbLayout" "sl" , how can I avoid this? |
| 09:10.27 | cahoot | "sl" being a typo? |
| 09:10.30 | tarzeau | Shadur: Wazzis? |
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| 09:11.46 | nvz | tarzeau: nope never played wipeout that I know of. at least it doesnt sound familiar |
| 09:11.46 | xBeetle | liable: i think i had a typo in my AT+cgdcont init string. |
| 09:12.09 | yangvnc | cahoot: well i guess that was selected through dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:12.18 | tarzeau | nvz: playstation :) |
| 09:12.33 | nvz | tarzeau: yep, I've played playstation :P |
| 09:12.51 | nvz | tarzeau: their controller design happens to be my favorite |
| 09:13.08 | nvz | I'm still very fond of my intellivision though |
| 09:13.15 | lymeca | So 2.6.22 just made it into sid. Which is nice, but anyone know why there is still no Xen kernel? |
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| 09:13.44 | nvz | I'm not sure if we even got a working intellivision anymore.. had a bunch of them |
| 09:13.47 | tarzeau | nvz: yeah killer! |
| 09:13.59 | xBeetle | liable: i now get messages: Modem initialized / Waiting for carrier / connect / carrier detected, waiting for prompt / PPP negotiation deteted, starting pppd |
| 09:15.01 | nvz | I wish I had someone to sit around and play intellivision with sometimes. most of those games were two player oriented. Its hard to enjoy them the same way anymore |
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| 09:15.07 | xBeetle | liable: but then disconnect, pppd died with error code 16 |
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| 09:15.34 | nvz | you can't really play them emulated.. I've got intellivision lives for xbox and PC but its not even close to being the same |
| 09:16.12 | the_sniff | is there a way to make an etch install not delete conf files? like mysql/apache |
| 09:16.17 | xBeetle | can't paste exact message, its a different machine, off the network, serial console only |
| 09:16.30 | nvz | I'd like to get into building intellivisions and bringing the system itself back not just the games.. it would probably be pretty easy and these days the parts it takes to make an intellivision are dirt cheap |
| 09:17.16 | nvz | if you can even still find those old GE parts.. then I'd have to take the EXEC rom and get copies made of it |
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| 09:20.47 | Tenkawa | so is my testing and what I've been reading correct that current unstable cannot run a 2.4 kernel anymore? |
| 09:21.24 | stew | Tenkawa: correct. neither can testing. and it is not supported in stable |
| 09:21.31 | Tenkawa | bummer |
| 09:21.34 | Tenkawa | oh well |
| 09:21.35 | nvz | heh |
| 09:21.56 | nvz | I loved 2.6 from the first time I unrolled that sweet tarball |
| 09:22.21 | nvz | took me a few months of testing before I actually got rid of my 2.4 kernels |
| 09:23.07 | Tenkawa | Yeah I havent ran 2.4 in a long time .. just still a few things about the 2.6 kernels that aggravate me |
| 09:23.14 | subx | ive just setup a basic postfix server for home and now i want to install a open-source webmail client on the box, anyone have any recommendations? |
| 09:23.21 | nvz | Tenkawa: such as? |
| 09:23.40 | stew | subx: squirrelmail |
| 09:23.47 | subx | thank you |
| 09:23.52 | nvz | Did the 2.4 kernel even have Sysrq support? I don't recall it being in there |
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| 09:24.02 | stew | 2.2 had sysrq support |
| 09:24.08 | nvz | oh |
| 09:24.11 | Tenkawa | nvz: scheduler mostly.. and some of the memory management |
| 09:24.16 | the_sniff | is there a way to make an etch install not delete conf files? like mysql/apache |
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| 09:24.58 | stew | the_sniff: it won't delete conffiles when you remove a package, only when you purge the controlling package |
| 09:25.05 | nvz | Tenkawa: the features for scheduling and stuff are so damn configurable in 2.6 its mind boggling. for me thats the hardest part is trying to decide which to use |
| 09:25.38 | Tenkawa | nvz: in a way thats part of the aggravation |
| 09:26.05 | Tenkawa | but its definitely tuneable.. thats for sure |
| 09:26.25 | nvz | heh, I understand that. I always liked to fine-tune my kernels I stopped doing that so frequently after 2.6 cause configuration got to be longer than the compile :P |
| 09:26.49 | the_sniff | stew; an etch install from a cd too? |
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| 09:26.58 | stew | the_sniff: any version of debian |
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| 09:27.23 | Tenkawa | the other scenario I have going on right now is that Sybase seems to hate something in recent versions of debian |
| 09:27.34 | nvz | this is where I'd say why I remember installing debian with punch cards and a dot matrix printer.. heh |
| 09:27.41 | the_sniff | so if i reinstall etch on an existing fscked up etch i'll be good to go and won't need to reconfigure everything? |
| 09:27.49 | liable | 9 |
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| 09:28.00 | Tenkawa | the 2 things that seem most consistent are an older glibc version and 2.4 kernel with sybase's binaries |
| 09:28.06 | stew | the_sniff: wait, what do you mean? you are going to reinstall on top of an old install? |
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| 09:28.37 | liable | xBeetle: man pppd has error codes iirc |
| 09:29.11 | the_sniff | stew: yeah. if u rmemeber i got the old install f00ked with an apt source mixture and the only option i've left is to reinstall |
| 09:29.16 | liable | gah, i just killed my little server by copying a big web page into buffer and feeding it to bash accidently |
| 09:29.32 | Kjikaqawej | weee :( |
| 09:29.53 | Tenkawa | liable: ouch |
| 09:30.51 | nvz | the_sniff: is the /home on a seperate partition? |
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| 09:31.21 | stew | the_sniff: then i'm not sure what will happen if you install fresh over top of an old install |
| 09:31.30 | the_sniff | nvz yeah |
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| 09:31.40 | the_sniff | so is the /var and |
| 09:31.48 | the_sniff | well that's it i think |
| 09:32.00 | the_sniff | how can i find out :P? |
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| 09:32.53 | nvz | the_sniff: well if /home/ is seperate what I'd do is tar up /etc/ and put the tarball in /home/ and just don't format /home/ again, just reformat / and /var and reinstall then put /etc/ back and yeah the configuration would all be the same |
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| 09:33.59 | the_sniff | var has all the mysql databases so i guess reformat just / :p |
| 09:34.22 | the_sniff | nvz: yeah that's what id prolly do i was just wondering if its possible |
| 09:34.32 | the_sniff | is there anyway to just do a repair on system files? |
| 09:34.33 | nvz | the_sniff: yeah well /var has a bunch of other stuff too that could possibly end up breaking your system just the same |
| 09:34.36 | xBeetle | Liable "the link was terminated by the modem hanging up" |
| 09:34.52 | Dewi | the_sniff: you should dump out any databases you can |
| 09:35.07 | Dewi | the_sniff: even if you still keep the files too, it's a good thing to have |
| 09:35.13 | nvz | the_sniff: I'd move anything you want to keep into /home/ or better yet back them up somewhere else outside if you can to be save |
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| 09:36.16 | liable | xBeetle: well, your getting closer, but my pppd knowledge is about expired, I havent messed with it for a while now. google is your best bet unless others here have suggestions. |
| 09:36.29 | liable | xBeetle: you have the stupid mode on right? |
| 09:37.56 | the_sniff | nvz, Dewi, stew: is there a way i could just reinstall the libs from the cd? |
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| 09:38.32 | nvz | the_sniff: how would that help you? |
| 09:38.49 | hermuli | hmmm... anyone has experience with serveraid? |
| 09:38.55 | stew | the_sniff: yeah, you can add the cd to /etc/apt/sources.list using apt-cdrom and install them just as you would install them from any other repository using apt-get or aptitude |
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| 09:39.51 | the_sniff | stew: and that won't break it like trying to apt-get/aptitude downgrade? |
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| 09:40.04 | xBeetle | no, stupid mode is not on |
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| 09:40.20 | nvz | I think he's saying he was mixing sources and got a bunch of libs > etch |
| 09:40.21 | stew | the_sniff: it will be no different than doing it over the network. most package can be downgraded safely, some can't |
| 09:40.23 | liable | xBeetle: add that to your conf |
| 09:41.02 | the_sniff | stew: i need to downgrade libc6 :p |
| 09:42.25 | nvz | you need to reinstall.. it would be a lot less headache. especially since you got several partitions you can only reinstall the programs and save all your configuration |
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| 09:43.04 | nvz | the other option is to upgrade to whatever dist matches your libc6 |
| 09:43.15 | the_sniff | no way to just overwrite the lib files only? |
| 09:43.17 | stew | the_sniff: i'd recommend using the aptitude frontend. search for libc6, hit enter, select the older version, hit '+' on the older version to mark it to be intalled, this will break a lot of packages, search for broken packages by hitting '/' then searching for '~b' ; hit enter on the broken package, scroll down to the etch version and hit '+' to select the etch version |
| 09:43.25 | the_sniff | lol sid on a production box? :P |
| 09:43.35 | stew | the_sniff: after you no longer have any broken packages, hit 'g' to start aptitude doing everything |
| 09:44.17 | nvz | oh well I'm tired I should sleep I suppose. |
| 09:44.26 | the_sniff | stew: tried that yesterday on a virutal pc just that i didn't search for broken ones. the thing is none of the solution actually said its going to downgrade libc6 |
| 09:44.38 | the_sniff | and it froze in the middle |
| 09:44.42 | the_sniff | nvz nite, thanks :p |
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| 09:45.19 | stew | the_sniff: yes, its never going to decide to downgrade something on its own, you are going to have to convince it by fixing all of the broken packages yourself |
| 09:45.59 | the_sniff | would that search make me fix all the broken ones on all solutions or just the solution im at |
| 09:46.00 | the_sniff | ? |
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| 09:47.42 | stew | the_sniff: the current solution |
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| 09:48.18 | xBeetle | liable: added it. Only difference is a message "Starting PPP immediately" |
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| 09:50.07 | liable | xBeetle: put your conf and output on a pastebot (only obscure your password and username) |
| 09:51.36 | the_sniff | stew i think there was just 15 packages under all categories (install remove etc) and dont remember any broken but ill try it right now |
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| 09:53.25 | stew | the_sniff: becuase it fixed the broken dependencies for you by not downgrading stuff, and you don't want it to fix the broken dependencies for you |
| 09:53.25 | xBeetle | liable: thanks for helping, time is running out :( |
| 09:53.25 | Peaker | why does apt lock in download-only mode? |
| 09:53.56 | the_sniff | stew ok got it |
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| 09:54.41 | liable | Peaker: because when it downloads it has to update files |
| 09:54.47 | liable | xBeetle: meaning? |
| 09:54.50 | Peaker | liable: what files? |
| 09:55.01 | Peaker | liable: I thought it just puts stuff in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 09:55.23 | x_link | I really don't understand why I can't install the nvidia driver on Testing.- |
| 09:55.31 | x_link | I even did it the Debian Way, but it doesn't work. |
| 09:55.49 | x_link | I can't install it on 2.6.21-2-k7 kernel. |
| 09:55.52 | liable | Peaker: how do you think it keeps track of whats available and whats installed? |
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| 09:56.13 | Peaker | liable: but download-only doesn't change any of that, just enlarges the cache |
| 09:56.21 | Peaker | liable: ofcourse install mode needs to lock |
| 09:56.26 | Peaker | liable: I'm referring to "apt-get -d" |
| 09:56.34 | x_link | Is there anything "broke" in testing now? |
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| 09:58.08 | liable | Peaker: it still needs a database of whats in archives. though i dont know which file it uses for that. |
| 09:58.43 | liable | reading a file has to be more efficient than listing and parsing a directory |
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| 10:01.01 | the_sniff | stew: ~b find nothing :x |
| 10:01.44 | stew | the_sniff: after you explicitly said to install libc6 2.3.6? |
| 10:01.52 | the_sniff | yeah |
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| 10:02.27 | stew | the_sniff: so hit g and see if it will downgrade it |
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| 10:02.34 | Peaker | liable: but apt never needs to actually enumerate the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives, it always just needs to query whether some specific set of files is in there, and that is quick (simply path-exist check) |
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| 10:03.12 | the_sniff | steve thing is it doesn't say libc6 is going to be downgraded |
| 10:03.31 | stew | Peaker: file a wishlist bug after checking to see if the same bug has ever been filed before |
| 10:03.38 | the_sniff | stew* thing is it doesn't say libc6 is going to be downgraded |
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| 10:04.03 | stew | the_sniff: how exactly did you try to tell it to downgrade libc6? |
| 10:04.24 | the_sniff | i went inside libc6 and pressed + on libc6 2.3.6 |
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| 10:06.09 | delire | can anyone reccommend a free-as-in-freedom browser -- other than Iceweasel -- that has support for tabs, has a search-bar, supports both Java and Flash, and is actually performant on 128M of RAM with 40 tabs open. |
| 10:06.24 | petemc | and the moon on a stick? |
| 10:06.42 | delire | petemc: no, that's a childrens song. i'm talking about internet browsers. |
| 10:06.49 | petemc | oh right |
| 10:06.56 | petemc | you can see how one might confuse the two |
| 10:07.00 | delire | petemc: no i can't. |
| 10:07.08 | petemc | lighten up |
| 10:07.25 | delire | petemc: are you bored? |
| 10:07.32 | petemc | never |
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| 10:08.05 | Olgem | How do I list what displays are available to xorg/xserver? I did dpkg-reconfigure for xserver, but I'm not informed enough to get a window manager running afterwards :( |
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| 10:08.36 | the_sniff | stew did i do it wrong? |
| 10:08.45 | petemc | Olgem: update-alternvative --config x-window-manager |
| 10:08.51 | petemc | alternatives |
| 10:09.00 | Olgem | I'll try that |
| 10:09.16 | stew | the_sniff: i don't think so, but i dunno for sure, and I don't have a system here i'm prepared to test that with |
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| 10:10.54 | Gh0stDK | Hi, does any of you know any good programs for streaming movie clips? I need a program that will encode it on the fly so i am able to see Divx clips over a 512-1mbit connection :) |
| 10:11.41 | Shadur | Gh0stDK: I think my computer's CPU just had a sympathetic coronary when you said "encode divx on the fly" |
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| 10:11.53 | Olgem | petemc, I don't have any options to configure it with update-alternative, I did a minimum netinstall, do I need to install some packages? |
| 10:11.55 | nvz | Shadur: heh |
| 10:12.05 | nvz | Shadur: I was thinking that, but wasn't going to say anything |
| 10:12.06 | petemc | Olgem: it would seem so |
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| 10:12.39 | wornick | I am able to use VNC between two debian systems. what do i need to do to access a WinXP system with VNC? |
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| 10:12.50 | petemc | wornick: a vnc client |
| 10:12.58 | liable | rdp client |
| 10:13.00 | xand | wornick: if it's xp pro, use rdp instead |
| 10:13.08 | the_sniff | liable he said with vnc |
| 10:13.15 | Olgem | petemc, if that is true, what packages should I install, tabbing reveals nothing similar with apt-get. Sorry about this |
| 10:13.24 | xand | the_sniff: nothing wrong with suggesting superior alternatives :p |
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| 10:13.25 | Shadur | Gh0stDK: In short, a video codec can do good compression, produce quality video, or encode quickly; pick any two. |
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| 10:13.37 | Gh0stDK | I need streaming :) |
| 10:13.37 | petemc | Olgem: apt-cache search window manager, xfce is popular |
| 10:13.42 | liable | the_sniff: i am aware of what he said |
| 10:13.43 | Shadur | DivX picked the first two. |
| 10:14.06 | wornick | xand, yes, its WinXP at the other end. thks, will check up on rdp. is this a package? |
| 10:14.13 | the_sniff | stew OMG IT WORKED dunno why it froze up on me yesterday |
| 10:14.16 | the_sniff | xand: :p |
| 10:14.16 | Olgem | petemc, I've already installed windowmaker, but It can't find/use any displays, I have to specify one. But I'm not sure what is available |
| 10:14.20 | Shadur | Gh0stDK: Streaming's no problem. Encoding-on-the-fly is the trick. |
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| 10:14.42 | petemc | Olgem: you mean you get an error message about opening the display? |
| 10:14.50 | xand | wornick: right-click my computer and look for the remote tab. tick "enable remote desktop" or similar... on debian install tsclient or rdesktop |
| 10:15.13 | Gh0stDK | I know there is a website (orb.com) where you can install some software and you will be able to stream the files on your computer thru a link on their site. There must be some software out there where you dont have to go thru another side? |
| 10:15.23 | Olgem | yes, it says (wmaker: cannot open display "") |
| 10:15.37 | Trewas | Shadur: encoding normal mpeg4 on the fly is fine (with suitable settings and non-ancient processor) |
| 10:15.39 | Olgem | petemc, I can specify one, but I'm not sure what :/ |
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| 10:16.28 | nvz | Gh0stDK: yeah, like a webserver? heh |
| 10:17.01 | nvz | I think he missed the memo about streaming divx being easy, encoding it on-the-fly being nearly impossible |
| 10:17.33 | Olgem | what about VLC and transcoding it over a network |
| 10:18.23 | Gh0stDK | I think i wrote it wrong :) I just need something the will make me able to stream it... I just need to stream it thru a slow connection so the software must make sure my connection can handle the output |
| 10:18.28 | Olgem | petemc, yeah (windomaker: fatal error: could not open display "") |
| 10:18.30 | liable | i havent encoded to xvid/dvix for a while, but unless its a high bitrate encode, i have trouble imagining it on the fly |
| 10:18.51 | petemc | Olgem: see, thats a problem with your x config, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 10:19.25 | Olgem | petemc, ok I'll try again |
| 10:19.26 | Olgem | brb |
| 10:21.07 | Gh0stDK | nvz: No a with a webserver my player would download the server. I need something to stream it thru UDP or something |
| 10:21.20 | Gh0stDK | the server = the file |
| 10:21.38 | wornick | xand, that means i forget about the 'Real VNC' which i had installed and instead install tsclient and rdesktop? |
| 10:21.48 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:22.52 | wornick | xand, or can I install 'Real VNC' on the MS machine and make both talk in it? |
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| 10:23.32 | liable | wornick: if you install a vnc server on the xp box, you can use vnc, it has rdp by default |
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| 10:25.49 | wornick | liable, got it. all i need is to install 'Real VNC' server on the XP box. thks. |
| 10:26.11 | xBeetle | liable: i have to go, no time to try it now |
| 10:26.18 | xand | wornick: if you can use RDP, it's *much* better than VNC |
| 10:27.05 | wornick | xand, yea, just checked. package 'rdesktop' is available for 'testing'. |
| 10:27.17 | the_sniff | is there a cross platform rdp client? |
| 10:27.42 | the_sniff | server |
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| 10:28.56 | Ind[y] | Although "Update Notifier" is enabled to run at the start of the session, it does not display me the updates. I have to manually run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" in order to update my software. Why? I mean, it does not appear an orange box at the system tray when there are updates available, so I can click on it and update-manager will start. |
| 10:29.17 | muh2000 | how to reload the resolve.conf ? |
| 10:29.29 | liable | Ind[y]: erm, you use ubuntu? |
| 10:29.31 | wornick | the_sniff, if i can use a rdp client on a debian machine to access a rdp server on a MS machine, isn't that cross-platform? |
| 10:29.38 | Ind[y] | liable: does it matter? |
| 10:29.39 | liable | muh2000: just edit it, its then used |
| 10:29.42 | liable | Ind[y]: yes |
| 10:29.48 | Ind[y] | liable: well, yes |
| 10:29.48 | muh2000 | liable thnx |
| 10:29.50 | liable | Ind[y]: we dont have that app in debian |
| 10:29.56 | Ind[y] | liable: oh, ok. |
| 10:29.59 | the_sniff | wornick: i ment an rdp server since rdp is an ms protocol afaik |
| 10:30.28 | Ind[y] | liable: Guys in ubuntu don't seem to know why the problem exists, so I wondered if you guys here might know. |
| 10:30.37 | Olgem | ohlawl |
| 10:30.52 | liable | Ind[y]: thats why we suggest using debian instead :P |
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| 10:31.04 | the_sniff | rofl |
| 10:31.06 | Ind[y] | liable: :P |
| 10:31.10 | the_sniff | ubuntu is like windows 98 open source |
| 10:31.14 | Ind[y] | liable: Anyway, thank you :) |
| 10:31.25 | liable | np |
| 10:31.31 | cast | the_sniff: worst analogy ever. |
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| 10:31.45 | the_sniff | aight |
| 10:31.46 | Ind[y] | the_sniff: hmm... I don't think so |
| 10:31.48 | the_sniff | windows millenium |
| 10:31.48 | the_sniff | lol |
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| 10:31.56 | the_sniff | ALLRIGHT windows NT4! |
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| 10:34.24 | f00li5h | hrm, |
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| 10:35.06 | f00li5h | i can't get perl XS modules to install with cpan, i've installed gcc, and it still gets cranky with me, what's the secret? |
| 10:35.30 | the_sniff | any error? |
| 10:35.43 | f00li5h | sure |
| 10:36.05 | the_sniff | well? |
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| 10:37.29 | cast | and have you checked if the module is pkged already? |
| 10:37.52 | f00li5h | http://sial.org/pbot/26375 |
| 10:38.00 | f00li5h | cast: no, i haven't checked that |
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| 10:38.36 | f00li5h | should i need to be doing more than apt-cahce search Hash::Merge ? |
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| 10:39.31 | cast | apt-file search whatever.pm, what is the module called you want? |
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| 10:39.46 | cast | Clone.pm |
| 10:39.51 | cast | *+? |
| 10:40.00 | f00li5h | cast: it's required by the module i want |
| 10:40.21 | cast | yes, but what module do you want :> |
| 10:40.42 | f00li5h | i waht Hash::Merge |
| 10:41.02 | f00li5h | s/h/n/ |
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| 10:42.11 | cast | libclone-perl will get you clone...which is what you're having trouble compiling |
| 10:42.14 | f00li5h | i recall there being a cpan->.deb thingie, should i use that infavour of just running cpan? |
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| 10:42.23 | cydork | f00li5h: you have libc6-dev installed? |
| 10:42.26 | jelly-home | f00li5h: dh-make-perl |
| 10:42.29 | cydork | f00li5h: dh-make-perl |
| 10:42.53 | f00li5h | cydork: i guess so, that'd be required by gcc, right? |
| 10:43.03 | jelly-home | f00li5h: it doesn't really matter, if you like packages, use it. If you're comfortable with CPAN, use it directly |
| 10:43.10 | f00li5h | cydork: i'm installing it now |
| 10:43.21 | f00li5h | jelly-home: is cpan going to fail like it is now? |
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| 10:44.02 | f00li5h | cast: who told you that i wanted that package? |
| 10:44.07 | cydork | f00li5h: no it won't if you have that package. anyways I like dh-make-perl. but in some cases CPAN is preferred. |
| 10:44.16 | jelly-home | f00li5h: I don't think CPAN is failing you. |
| 10:44.34 | f00li5h | jelly-home: well, it failed to install the module, that counts ;) |
| 10:44.52 | jelly-home | f00li5h: and anyway, if cpan doesn't work, I suspect dh-make-perl, which uses it, won't work either |
| 10:44.53 | dutchfish | how can i zip the curent dir and related subdirs without the path "above" the curent dir? |
| 10:45.12 | appelza | what port does debian's snmpd listen on by default? it doesnt seem to be 161 |
| 10:45.12 | cast | f00li5h: the cpan Clone and failing to build Clone.pm, i took a guess from what hte error you pasted :\ |
| 10:45.36 | f00li5h | cast: nuts, so you didn't do an apt-something to find out? |
| 10:45.51 | cast | f00li5h: i did a apt-file search Clone.pm |
| 10:46.04 | f00li5h | cast: i haven't apt-file -_- |
| 10:46.06 | jelly-home | f00li5h: have you installed build-essential? |
| 10:46.06 | DawnLight | does anyone know what encoding windows uses for file names? |
| 10:46.32 | f00li5h | jelly-home: i'm installing that now too |
| 10:46.44 | dutchfish | DawnLight, you mean on disk in per example ntfs? |
| 10:46.45 | f00li5h | DawnLight: it'd depend on the file system, wouldn't it? |
| 10:46.46 | cast | DawnLight: /j #windows i suppose |
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| 10:47.15 | the_sniff | dawilyone porlly ansi :s? |
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| 10:47.46 | the_sniff | DawnLight that is |
| 10:48.14 | tralala | valdyn, confirmed - you can use gmail as smarthost but you have to list all the sender's emails (every requires confirmation) |
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| 10:48.33 | jelly-home | DawnLight: it depends on windows version and filesystem used, so it's best to ask in a proper channel |
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| 10:49.01 | dutchfish | how can i loose the trailing path from curent dir when i zip a dir and related subdirs? |
| 10:49.22 | jelly-home | dutchfish: what's your command line? |
| 10:49.49 | jelly-home | dutchfish: AFAIR zip doesn't add absolute path is you don't explicitely tell it to |
| 10:49.59 | dutchfish | jelly-home, uhmm you mean bash? or zip foo.zip /foodir |
| 10:50.33 | f00li5h | jelly-home++ cast++ cydork++ |
| 10:50.38 | dutchfish | jelly-home, thought so too, but it actually adds the absolute path per default |
| 10:50.43 | jelly-home | dutchfish: don't give it absolute path /foodir, instead, go there and do zip /wherever/to/create/the/archive/foo.zip foodir |
| 10:51.10 | cydork | !tell zwox -about away |
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| 10:51.13 | Maerz | My hdparm does not show me any ifnormation about the DMA mode, any ideas? |
| 10:51.14 | dutchfish | jelly-home, a sec i try |
| 10:51.27 | jelly-home | dutchfish: no, it doesn't add it. |
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| 10:52.37 | liable | Maerz: how old is the drive? |
| 10:52.40 | cast | MatBoy: is it a sata drive? |
| 10:52.49 | cast | uh, Maerz's even |
| 10:53.02 | Maerz | liable orderd 3 days ago. It does not show it for any driver, tried 3 sata dirves |
| 10:53.04 | Maerz | *drives |
| 10:53.24 | Maerz | yes sata |
| 10:53.51 | tralala | hdparm doesn't show much stuff for sata |
| 10:53.52 | cast | does DMA apply to sata? |
| 10:53.53 | vlt | Hello. Does anyone know how to set a NIC back to auto mode after having changed parms using ethtool? |
| 10:53.57 | jelly-home | Maerz: that's normal, drivers for sata controllers give out less data for hdparm |
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| 10:54.11 | Maerz | ok, but how else can i enable dma then ? |
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| 10:54.38 | jelly-home | Maerz: dunno, but it should already be enabled if it's possible |
| 10:54.40 | tralala | cast, yes |
| 10:54.42 | Maerz | i got read/writes of ~47mb/s |
| 10:55.00 | tralala | Maerz, then dma is already enabled |
| 10:55.01 | jelly-home | Maerz: that's all right |
| 10:55.06 | Maerz | really? |
| 10:55.11 | liable | yes |
| 10:55.17 | Maerz | i read that this disk should support 300mb/s |
| 10:55.28 | liable | try -tT |
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| 10:55.40 | liable | cached reads are quicker |
| 10:55.57 | cast | no disk supports 300megabytes per second [unless its from cache |
| 10:56.02 | jelly-home | Maerz: it supports transfers of data between the disk and the controller at 3Gbps, but not reading from the platter at that speed |
| 10:56.10 | Maerz | alright |
| 10:56.25 | Maerz | ai 1047.48 MB/sec |
| 10:57.01 | tralala | Maerz, the interface supports 300mb/s, but I don't know a single disk that can do that |
| 10:57.09 | jelly-home | liable: eh, cached speed measures memory access |
| 10:57.25 | Maerz | tralala the 300mb/s ? |
| 10:57.35 | tralala | yes |
| 10:57.40 | Maerz | alright |
| 10:57.44 | liable | jelly-home: thats what i was hinting at though i didnt explain myself adequetly |
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| 10:58.07 | SoulChild | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 10:58.07 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 10:58.15 | jelly-home | liable: he still wouldn't get his 3Gbps with that |
| 10:58.17 | tralala | apparently hdparm in etch shows plenty of info for sata disks - "hdparm -iI /dev/sda" |
| 10:58.34 | liable | jelly-home: shrug |
| 10:58.38 | cast | someone with a 3G cellphone was trying to tell me they got 3Gbps downloads :\ |
| 10:58.43 | Maerz | tralala maybe its my arch - amd64 |
| 10:58.48 | jelly-home | cast: I wish |
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| 10:59.09 | tralala | Maerz, it isn't - I'm on amd64 too |
| 10:59.15 | Maerz | hmm |
| 10:59.17 | Maerz | i am on lenny.. |
| 10:59.22 | jelly-home | cast: even the advertised 3.5Mpbs or 7Mbps are a darn lie :-| |
| 10:59.32 | Maerz | oh |
| 10:59.39 | Maerz | wait i haven't tried the params |
| 10:59.52 | Maerz | that shows much, yes |
| 11:00.05 | Maerz | they didn't used the params in the FAQ, thats why i wondered |
| 11:00.44 | tralala | if you note the dma mode is marked with '*', e.g. *udma6 |
| 11:00.46 | liable | Maerz: in all reality, does it really matter? if you really needed fast disks you would know what you want and be using 10K scsi drives or whatever |
| 11:00.56 | Maerz | theres even udma7, but only udma6 got a * (i guess thats the enabled one) |
| 11:01.14 | Maerz | liable i just want to use whats there ;) |
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| 11:02.10 | jelly-home | Maerz: the driver uses what it thinks is best, and is usually good at that |
| 11:02.17 | Maerz | liable but now that i know that, thats funny because some ppl complained that it only supports 50mb/s (on the shops page) and the decs said the interface supports 300mb/s ^^ |
| 11:02.33 | Maerz | *descr |
| 11:02.37 | jelly-home | Maerz: they are uneducated. |
| 11:02.42 | cast | blame marketing, too |
| 11:03.02 | jelly-home | (and mb/s mean mili bits per second ;-) |
| 11:03.10 | Maerz | hehe |
| 11:03.21 | jelly-home | MB/s is another thing |
| 11:03.26 | Maerz | as GB on the drive means GigaByte not GiBiByte |
| 11:03.47 | jelly-home | that's normal, it meant power of ten since forever |
| 11:03.49 | tralala | it does - meaning that if you put 6 disks on this interface and you access them all together you'll get 300mb/s (in theory) |
| 11:04.16 | Maerz | yea i understand it now :) |
| 11:04.28 | jelly-home | tralala: nope |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'rrdtool-frontend' returned no results. |
| 11:05.04 | jelly-home | tralala: 3Gbps is disk <-> controller interface, controller <-> memory (DMA) is something else |
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| 11:05.41 | tralala | right |
| 11:05.43 | jelly-home | tralala: limited by bus (PCI or PCIe) |
| 11:05.59 | liable | whats a mili-bit? |
| 11:06.26 | liable | you can get bits smaller than a bit? |
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| 11:06.34 | tralala | 10e-3 bits ;) |
| 11:06.46 | tralala | ir is this 1e-3 |
| 11:06.52 | jelly-home | tralala: but if you made, say, a SATA solid-state device, it could possibly transfer 3Gbps if it were that fast |
| 11:07.17 | jelly-home | liable: you can easily get speeds lower than 1bps. |
| 11:07.44 | tralala | and if the memory bus can support it as well |
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| 11:08.21 | tralala | you just need a hammer and a cat5 cable ;)) |
| 11:08.24 | SoulChild | anyone installed compiz-fusion on lenny ? |
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| 11:08.52 | jelly-home | SoulChild: is it packaged yet? |
| 11:08.56 | Maerz | can i put sth in the background (e.g. the formating of a drive) and get it to the fg on an other console or will it be killed when the terminal closes? |
| 11:09.13 | jelly-home | Maerz: use screen |
| 11:09.15 | SoulChild | jelly no ,... you need an extra reposotorie |
| 11:09.32 | tralala | Maerz, screen does that |
| 11:09.35 | Maerz | jelly-home i would have, but the process is already running |
| 11:09.44 | Maerz | and i forget that it might be better |
| 11:09.56 | Maerz | to have it independently running :/ |
| 11:10.03 | jelly-home | Maerz: don't close it, then. Some apps break, some keep running |
| 11:10.44 | jelly-home | Maerz: if you're on console, remember there's 6 of those enabled by default ;-) |
| 11:10.56 | Maerz | well only Eterm |
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| 11:11.15 | jelly-home | Maerz: duh, if you're in X, open a new term. |
| 11:11.18 | sniff` | what happens if install libc6 2.3.6 without installing tzdata? |
| 11:11.33 | Maerz | jelly-home i was more thingking about the case when X crashes |
| 11:11.51 | jelly-home | Maerz: see above. |
| 11:11.58 | Maerz | i got a game i would play now and the nvidia driver sometimes dies :( |
| 11:12.19 | cast | screen is always the answer |
| 11:12.26 | Maerz | yea, got you :) |
| 11:12.33 | tralala | Maerz, always use screen - put it in your .bashrc :) |
| 11:12.39 | jelly-home | cast: flossing is the answer |
| 11:12.41 | Maerz | good idea |
| 11:14.01 | Crypticfortune | can i just delete unwanted messages from /var/spool/postfix/deferred? or will that break things? |
| 11:14.22 | tralala | man mailq |
| 11:14.28 | liable | theres a syntax for deleting that stuff |
| 11:14.30 | jelly-home | tralala: putting screen in shell's rc is a nontrivial task |
| 11:14.40 | jelly-home | man postsuper? |
| 11:15.20 | Maerz | ai - i don't know what i just did, but there where 20 bashes open now O_o |
| 11:15.26 | Maerz | *were |
| 11:15.45 | tralala | jelly-home, "screen -R main" seems pretty trivial to me |
| 11:16.03 | Maerz | i think its not enough to just write screen at the end of .bashrc? |
| 11:16.19 | jelly-home | tralala: what if it's already attached? |
| 11:16.26 | Crypticfortune | Maerz: i think that would do bad things. ;) |
| 11:16.33 | tralala | it will be detached |
| 11:16.34 | Maerz | It did ! |
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| 11:16.58 | jelly-home | tralala: you sure? :-D |
| 11:17.00 | Crypticfortune | Maerz: (because screen starts a bash shell, which runs .bashrc, which will launch another screen...repeat until out of memory =p |
| 11:17.06 | Maerz | rofl |
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| 11:17.52 | Maerz | hmm then i can't put it in bashrc, right? |
| 11:17.57 | jelly-home | tralala: I wouldn't like my screens detached if not told to w/ -d |
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| 11:18.59 | tralala | yeah, ok it's not that trivial after all |
| 11:19.33 | cast | just check the $TERM var? |
| 11:19.49 | cast | if its screen then don't launch screen again |
| 11:19.49 | tralala | "screen -x main || screen -S main" |
| 11:19.51 | jelly-home | SHLVL is a better thing to check |
| 11:20.47 | tralala | and make sure you don't create another "main" screen |
| 11:20.50 | jelly-home | suffice to say it may look simple, but isn't, and depends on what you want to do |
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| 11:21.20 | tralala | It isn't I agree |
| 11:21.24 | cast | personally i'd never want screen automatically :\ |
| 11:22.14 | tralala | Everytime I forget to run screen the first thing after login I regret it, so I'm really going to follow my own advice and add it to .bashrc |
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| 11:22.54 | jelly-home | I want it on remote servers, it's a nice thing to start X, let the session management run terminals with ssh, and remote screens reattach just where I stopped working |
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| 11:24.07 | Maerz | tralala wouldn't it be better to let the Eterm/Xterm start screen, instead of letting bash start screen which starts a bash then ? |
| 11:24.42 | tralala | I sure hope .bashrc isn't used by X logons |
| 11:24.58 | Maerz | O_o |
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| 11:25.19 | tralala | Maerz, if you always use xterm it might |
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| 11:26.19 | jelly-home | tralala: there's also lingering shells problem, maybe you want to exec screen |
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| 11:28.33 | SoulChild | i need something against beeing bored, please |
| 11:28.39 | jelly-home | tralala: this is what I use on remote machines, at the end of .zlogin http://paste.debian.net/32975 |
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| 11:29.26 | jelly-home | SoulChild: how old are you? |
| 11:29.43 | SoulChild | jelly-home: 21 |
| 11:29.51 | jelly-home | SoulChild: learn python. |
| 11:30.03 | SoulChild | jelly-home: what for ? |
| 11:30.17 | jelly-home | SoulChild: to keep you from being bored |
| 11:30.22 | SoulChild | jelly-home: i learend pascal, that's enought :D |
| 11:30.55 | SoulChild | By the way, os there a compiler in debian for pascal/delphi ? |
| 11:30.56 | jelly-home | SoulChild: I guess you don't really want to be unbored, then |
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| 11:31.00 | tralala | SoulChild, it's not by far |
| 11:31.23 | SoulChild | jelly-home: okay ,... i'll look for an introduction |
| 11:31.26 | cast | i second the learn python |
| 11:31.49 | jelly-home | I could have been evil and suggest Perl :-) |
| 11:31.56 | liable | i suggest masturbating |
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| 11:32.11 | jelly-home | liable: that only goes a while |
| 11:32.22 | petemc | tantric masterbation |
| 11:32.26 | cast | and then after that while, he'll bored *and* sticky |
| 11:32.52 | tralala | yikes |
| 11:33.08 | tralala | let's stick to python instead |
| 11:33.27 | jelly-home | no, the OTHER python |
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| 11:34.07 | cast | learning about lvm was fun/handy too. as was ZFS, |
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| 11:34.23 | tralala | hehe |
| 11:35.05 | cast | is there anything stopping nexenta getting merged with debian as yet-another-nonlinux port? |
| 11:35.57 | jelly-home | cast: can't use GPL'ed dpkg as part of OS with CDDL parts? |
| 11:36.17 | h3sp4wn | SoulChild: I would say learn anything other than python (python is like riding a bike with stabilisers) |
| 11:36.43 | cast | h3sp4wn: you don't crash and nothings painful? |
| 11:37.04 | jelly-home | cast: it supposedly breaks GPL... I don't care enough to look up which section, but there's plenty of discussion on debian-devel some time ago |
| 11:37.11 | jelly-home | err |
| 11:37.15 | petemc | h3sp4wn: a lot of people would disagree with your opinion of python |
| 11:37.17 | jelly-home | cast: make that -legal |
| 11:37.24 | liable | i would have thought training wheels to be the standard kit on bikes for those learning |
| 11:39.00 | h3sp4wn | petemc: probably - I wish I had chosen scheme as the first programming language for me to learn |
| 11:39.10 | jelly-home | cast: as for ZFS, maybe it'll come in thru kFreeBSD |
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| 11:39.43 | cast | jelly-home: yes, i hope so :) |
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| 11:39.53 | tralala | jelly-home, this should do in my case: http://paste.debian.net/32977 |
| 11:40.25 | jelly-home | tralala: kinky |
| 11:41.15 | jelly-home | tralala: personally I prefer -rd to -x, because of differing terminal sizes I use (and -x keeps the last term size) |
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| 11:42.42 | julian_home | I have an issue with bind9. It is remembering my previous config, even though it does not exist any more. I.E it keeps trying to refresh a master that is not listedi n the named.conf file nor the zone file. This is on Debian sarge. Any ideas of why or how bind9 rembmers old configs? |
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| 11:43.13 | jelly-home | julian_home: even after rndc reload? |
| 11:43.20 | julian_home | correct |
| 11:43.21 | h3sp4wn | SoulChild: If you have not really done any serious programming I would learn haskell (The less you know of conventional programming the bigger advantage you have) |
| 11:43.26 | julian_home | even stopped it, flsuhed the cahce |
| 11:43.33 | julian_home | using rndc |
| 11:43.41 | tralala | jelly-home, on my home pc I have an konsole with screen that's always on, but I also connect to the pc remotely and I don't want my konsole disconnected. And terminal size is easily changed |
| 11:43.54 | jelly-home | julian_home: dunno... /etc/init.d/bind9 stop; ... start? |
| 11:44.02 | julian_home | does not help :A |
| 11:44.14 | jelly-home | funky |
| 11:44.19 | SoulChild | h3sp4wn: i learned haskell at university and i hav programming expereience fpr 6 years in delphi/pascal also a little bit in c++ and java |
| 11:44.29 | julian_home | Jul 18 21:36:51 ns1 named[6142]: zone ./IN: refresh: could not set file modification time of '/etc/bind/db.tldroot': file not found |
| 11:44.29 | julian_home | Jul 18 21:37:06 ns1 named[6142]: zone ./IN: refresh: failure trying master 208.185.249.250#53: timed out |
| 11:44.44 | julian_home | thats the errors i get. No reference to either in my named.conf |
| 11:44.45 | Crypticfortune | on the subject of learning things, what does writing to /dev/random actually do? |
| 11:44.48 | h3sp4wn | SoulChild: Why not just use haskell then ? (It is massively superior to python) |
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| 11:45.23 | tralala | given that you're not aiming to achieve anything... |
| 11:46.14 | tralala | Crypticfortune, it sends it to the stack of a random process |
| 11:46.19 | leafwiz | Anyone familiar with VMware? I'm just wondering how to autologin the server console with localhost when starting it. |
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| 11:46.44 | julian_home | jelly-home: here is my named.conf file |
| 11:46.45 | julian_home | http://pastebin.com/d5d170c56 |
| 11:46.54 | SoulChild | h3sp4wn: how to install haskell ? |
| 11:47.00 | SoulChild | apt command ? |
| 11:47.09 | tralala | leafwiz, try #vmware |
| 11:47.13 | streuner | leafwiz: why not just ask vmware? |
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| 11:47.25 | h3sp4wn | SoulChild: aptitude install hugs (interpretter) |
| 11:47.31 | SoulChild | h3sp4wn: okay |
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| 11:47.32 | Crypticfortune | tralala: that'd be fun. but just curious because wikipedia says that it actually mixes that input into the entropy pool. and im wondering, how can that not be a security hole? |
| 11:47.39 | streuner | leafwiz: even for trial versions you get support there |
| 11:47.45 | leafwiz | tried that.. Noboddy answerd.. |
| 11:48.07 | jelly-home | leafwiz: their forums perhaps, then |
| 11:48.14 | h3sp4wn | SoulChild: (the compiler is ghc if you want it) |
| 11:48.17 | SoulChild | h3sp4wn: since i am studying maths i'll try to programm some algoriths we learned ,... |
| 11:48.23 | cast | Crypticfortune: of note, not that i know what the kernel does...but if you xor a random and non-random bit stream then you'll get a random bitstream, will you not? :) |
| 11:48.29 | SoulChild | h3sp4wn: OKAY thank you |
| 11:48.39 | pflanze | (Hello. Does anyone know of a tool to access the mailing list archive of a project on sourceforge in a friendlier format, like mbox, imap, other html formatting? I'm a long-time Debian user, that's why I'm asking here ;) |
| 11:48.44 | leafwiz | jelly-home: mm.. yes |
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| 11:49.12 | jelly-home | julian_home: I suppose you can always strace it and find out which files it really reads |
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| 11:49.19 | appelza | running a command over ssh gives me: |
| 11:49.20 | appelza | No entry for terminal type "unknown"; |
| 11:49.21 | appelza | using dumb terminal settings. |
| 11:49.32 | appelza | how can I fix these messages ? |
| 11:49.53 | Crypticfortune | cast: very true........ok, i guess security hole is out. but im not convinced that does anything useful =p |
| 11:49.56 | jelly-home | appelza: what ssh client are you using? |
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| 11:50.16 | julian_home | jelly-home: ok, thanks!!!! |
| 11:50.18 | cast | Crypticfortune: well say you |
| 11:50.36 | SoulChild | h3sp4wn: what do i need ghc for ??? |
| 11:50.49 | jelly-home | appelza: set the environment variable TERM to something ("vt100" for example) before running it |
| 11:51.02 | cast | Crypticfortune: well say you've just booted off a livecd, it might be a handy way to seed some entrophy from $wherever |
| 11:51.37 | tralala | slashdot should be a good source |
| 11:51.37 | h3sp4wn | SoulChild: You can compile to machine code or ansi C with it |
| 11:51.52 | h3sp4wn | SoulChild: but for debugging hugs is easier |
| 11:51.53 | jelly-home | Crypticfortune: how is it a security hole for root to be able to mess up the system? |
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| 11:52.03 | SoulChild | h3sp4wn: ahh okay ,... no i don't need that |
| 11:52.04 | Crypticfortune | cast: hmmm.... sounds like a good idea. very clever ^^ |
| 11:52.10 | appelza | thanks jelly, ssh -f fixed it (force pseudo term) |
| 11:52.13 | Crypticfortune | jelly-home: anyone can write to /dev/random, not just root |
| 11:52.50 | jelly-home | Crypticfortune: hmm, dunno then ;-) |
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| 11:54.23 | jelly-home | Crypticfortune: maybe someone in ##kernel might have an idea |
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| 11:55.03 | Crypticfortune | jelly-home i'll go ask out of curiosity, but i now see why it's not necessarily a security hole |
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| 11:55.46 | jelly-home | Crypticfortune: I don't... if it creates "entropy" out of user provided data, that's IMO bad |
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| 11:56.39 | zwox | which file should be edited to set or change de default text editor |
| 11:56.50 | Crypticfortune | jelly-home: like cast said, n random bits xor'd with n non-random bits still equals n random bits |
| 11:56.51 | stew | zwox: systemwide? or for just one user? |
| 11:56.56 | cast | you didn't mention the rest of the paragraph in wikipedia..."Non-random data is harmless, because only a privileged user can issue the ioctl needed to increase the entropy estimate." |
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| 11:56.59 | zwox | systemwide |
| 11:57.04 | pumpkin0 | zwox: "man update-alternatives" |
| 11:57.09 | stew | zwox: update-alternatives --config editor |
| 11:57.21 | zwox | stew: thx |
| 11:57.28 | zwox | pumpkin0: thx |
| 11:58.48 | jelly-home | Crypticfortune: that's would mean it doesn't create additional entrory from user data |
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| 11:59.07 | spark_ | Hi guys |
| 11:59.14 | cast | hello spark_. |
| 11:59.24 | jelly-home | Crypticfortune: but if the result is >n random bits, then something other than xoring is done |
| 11:59.50 | spark_ | I'm trying to compile some sources using -m32 (32 bit libs); however, the linker is complaining: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++ |
| 12:00.05 | spark_ | I'm running debian testing... any of you guys have any idea? |
| 12:00.30 | Crypticfortune | jelly-home + cast: rightright, so i was thinking, either this is a security hole or writing to /dev/random is equivalent to writing to /dev/null |
| 12:00.46 | zwox | thank you very much |
| 12:00.51 | zwox | that's work very well |
| 12:00.58 | Crypticfortune | but then cast pointed out that for cases like livecds, it's a practical way to inject some entropy manually |
| 12:01.04 | Crypticfortune | even if it's not perfect... |
| 12:01.05 | zwox | it works* |
| 12:01.07 | zwox | sorry |
| 12:02.41 | jelly-home | Crypticfortune: still, I'm changing the mode to 644 on servers ;-) |
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| 12:12.08 | Maerz | tralala i just noticed, udma is not enabled on my new hd |
| 12:14.07 | tralala | Maerz, if dma is not enabled you won't get anything above 5~10MB/s |
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| 12:15.22 | Maerz | DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 |
| 12:15.23 | Maerz | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.23 | Maerz | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.26 | Maerz | @ tralala |
| 12:15.48 | Maerz | and the speed decreased to 37.98 mb/s |
| 12:15.51 | Maerz | MB/s |
| 12:16.17 | Maerz | afk 20 min :( |
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| 12:18.45 | tralala | there is dma even if it's not shown |
| 12:19.19 | tralala | you can't get such a transfer without it |
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| 12:20.00 | Crypticfortune | jelly-home + cast: ooh ok. reading this explains much more than wikipedia ^^ http://lxr.linux.no/source/drivers/char/random.c#1026 |
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| 12:21.50 | pumpkin0 | i'm search the package libjava3d-sun_1.5.0-2 for i386 etch. any pointers ? |
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| 12:22.27 | tralala | pumpkin0, /msg dpkg search |
| 12:23.12 | pumpkin0 | tralala: that is not in the normal debian-repos... |
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| 12:23.51 | tralala | has it ever been there? |
| 12:24.32 | pumpkin0 | tralala: no idea. there are deb around (google finds them) but i do not trust a random, unknown source .. |
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| 12:25.01 | mosno | am i insane for learning to use git as SCM for my personal documents and maybe config files? ie. do 'real people' (ie. not kernel devs) use it for anything? |
| 12:25.23 | mosno | i am not a kernel dev |
| 12:25.24 | mosno | :) |
| 12:25.29 | petemc | are you real? |
| 12:25.38 | jelly-home | he's complex |
| 12:25.41 | mosno | petemc: sometimes |
| 12:27.55 | sniff` | where can i get info about APT::Force-LoopBreak ? i can't seem to find it on goodle X: |
| 12:28.08 | RichiH | ok, i need to take an empty file (~5 GB in size) and create partitions etc in it. i.e. i want to handle it as if it were a hdd |
| 12:28.09 | RichiH | idea? |
| 12:28.46 | semprix_ | guys |
| 12:28.58 | semprix_ | is it necessary to run rpcbind on debian? |
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| 12:29.16 | cast | mosno: surely no one else can tell you what you like best [i use svn for school work, though been thinking about looking at mercurial, which iirc linus didn't like because it was slower] |
| 12:29.27 | pumpkin0 | RichiH: it would be a lot easier to take X files and use them for loops. partitioning a file is the only problematic step. |
| 12:29.36 | tralala | RichiH, fdisk filename |
| 12:29.48 | semprix_ | is it? |
| 12:29.52 | mosno | cast: i guess i was trying to get a feel for what people tend to use to solve their own document management problems |
| 12:30.42 | tralala | mosno, mostly wikis |
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| 12:31.05 | cast | mosno: linus did a google talk on SCM, i can find it if you'd like - there he outlined why he wanted a distributed system instead of centralised [which, once again iirc, was for reasons that wouldn't apply if you were the single user of the repo] |
| 12:31.06 | mosno | tralala: and these do revision control inbuilt i suppose.. |
| 12:31.11 | RichiH | pumpkin0: aye, i want to do it that way, though |
| 12:31.16 | mosno | cast: i watched the first bit |
| 12:31.18 | mosno | cast: zzzz |
| 12:31.19 | mosno | :P |
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| 12:31.34 | liable | indeed |
| 12:31.45 | RichiH | tralala: doing that, i need to set cylinders and everything by hand, though |
| 12:31.54 | liable | linus telling everyone they are stupid doesnt make good tv |
| 12:31.55 | mosno | i know i'm the single user... but i figured i should spend my time learning something scalable |
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| 12:32.24 | cast | well *i* thought it was interesting, not least of all to see what linus is like |
| 12:32.24 | semprix_ | how do i add ssh to start on boot? |
| 12:32.26 | tralala | mosno, a fairly simple one |
| 12:32.36 | cast | semprix_: default install of openssh-server does that already |
| 12:32.44 | semprix_ | ohh ok thank you |
| 12:32.48 | liable | semprix_: it does by default when you install it |
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| 12:32.58 | mosno | tralala: a fairly simple user? |
| 12:33.07 | semprix_ | its is neccessary to run rpcbind on debian? |
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| 12:33.26 | delire | mosno: it's the complex users you've got to watch.. |
| 12:33.38 | tralala | mosno, try relating the questions with the answers |
| 12:34.12 | tralala | semprix_, if you needs require it, yes |
| 12:34.17 | tralala | your |
| 12:34.43 | semprix_ | nope i dont need rpcbind |
| 12:34.46 | tralala | RichiH, yes, you need to do that |
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| 12:35.04 | semprix_ | where can i remove this? the less service running the less the holes |
| 12:35.49 | streuner | !open ports |
| 12:35.50 | dpkg | i guess open ports is # netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or ask me about <open files>, or fuser -n tcp <portnumber> |
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| 12:36.58 | Uaii | Hi there, im trying to install the etch debian but it doesnt recognize my cdroom, its pretty weird coz last night i did install normally but it was interrupted when installing the extra packages so thats why i gotta reinstall it... any idea ? |
| 12:37.08 | hjubal | my system running Etch (amd64) complains "kernel: Oops: 0010 [1] SMP", "CR2: ffffffff00305455" and then hangs |
| 12:37.17 | hjubal | what's the meaning of these messages? |
| 12:37.20 | streuner | !closing ports |
| 12:37.21 | dpkg | <greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up. |
| 12:37.48 | liable | streuner: heh, i was looking for that factoid |
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| 12:38.14 | streuner | liable: yeah, stew's db is helpful sometimes ;-) |
| 12:38.25 | semprix_ | lol |
| 12:38.29 | streuner | liable: http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=greycat&term=author |
| 12:38.32 | semprix_ | well reading the docs now peps |
| 12:38.33 | semprix_ | :) |
| 12:39.15 | Greyscale | rrr |
| 12:39.20 | Greyscale | annoying |
| 12:39.45 | sniff` | im getting |
| 12:39.45 | sniff` | root@white:/home/sniff/tzdata-2007b# /usr/bin/aptitude |
| 12:39.46 | sniff` | -sh: /usr/bin/aptitude: No such file or directory |
| 12:39.49 | sniff` | but the file DOES exist |
| 12:40.13 | valdyn | hjubal: that means you hit a hardware or kernel bug, see http://kernelnewbies.org/FoundBug or just http://kernelnewbies.org/ |
| 12:42.16 | liable | haha |
| 12:42.25 | liable | !guiconfig |
| 12:42.26 | dpkg | < greycat> you don't need a stupid-ass GUI to configure your GUI. Talk about your chicken and egg problems! |
| 12:42.37 | hjubal | valdyn: thx, I'm going to report it |
| 12:42.44 | liable | miss the greycat |
| 12:42.44 | pumpkin0 | sniff`: run ls -la /usr/bin/aptitude. Is it a link, a file ... executable ? |
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| 12:44.18 | sniff` | pumpkin0 all commands do that. ls too :( |
| 12:44.24 | sniff` | root@white:/home/sniff/tzdata-2007b# ls -la /usr/bin/aptitud |
| 12:44.24 | sniff` | -sh: /bin/ls: No such file or directory |
| 12:44.25 | sniff` | ROFL |
| 12:44.35 | liable | are you in a chroot or something? |
| 12:44.47 | sniff` | nah i tried downgrading libc6 |
| 12:44.55 | liable | fun |
| 12:44.56 | valdyn | sniff`: haha |
| 12:45.02 | tralala | oioioi |
| 12:45.03 | valdyn | sniff`: restore from backup |
| 12:45.07 | tralala | !downgrade |
| 12:45.07 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 12:45.14 | sniff` | no backup |
| 12:45.27 | tralala | reinstall |
| 12:45.27 | pumpkin0 | sniff`: reinstall .. |
| 12:45.39 | liable | valdyn: wasnt it you that mentioned downgrading libc6 to him? |
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| 12:46.06 | valdyn | liable: i doubt that, i dont even remember his name |
| 12:46.11 | sniff` | tralala, pumpkin0 lol it worked on my virtual pc |
| 12:46.13 | pumpkin0 | sniff`: OK, you could alway try to hack a working libc6 into the system. But reinstall is faster this time ... |
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| 12:46.25 | suwro | hello |
| 12:46.38 | Uaii | why does the debian installation do not recognize my cdroom device? when i see the fstab my cdroom is /dev/scd0 a should be mounted in /media/cdroom0 but in the /dev folder hasn´t the scd0... help me outt !!! |
| 12:46.52 | sniff` | pumpkin0 how can i hack it? btw im on ssh |
| 12:47.03 | suwro | i have a core-dump on debian 64 if i start pear command - i want to install some pear packages - but all i get is coredump... |
| 12:47.25 | pumpkin0 | sniff`: remote server with no access to CD/DVD-rom ? |
| 12:47.43 | sniff` | nope :D |
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| 12:47.48 | sniff` | its in a server far |
| 12:47.49 | sniff` | m |
| 12:47.58 | pumpkin0 | sniff`: ask for a reinstall. |
| 12:48.14 | sniff` | they don't do that kinds of things |
| 12:48.43 | pumpkin0 | sniff`: you need another linux system booted, up and running with access to the current install. |
| 12:49.16 | valdyn | sniff`: can you actually log into that system still? |
| 12:49.20 | sniff` | im in there |
| 12:49.24 | sniff` | but can't log in |
| 12:49.26 | rvalles | building a 2.6.2x kernel for a sparc with a ql controller fibre channel HD as the boot device... how do I put the firmware in the kernel? Do I forcibly need an initrd? If so, how do I make it so that the firmware loads? |
| 12:49.44 | valdyn | sniff`:'dpkg --configure -a' gives what? |
| 12:49.51 | inetd_ | hi |
| 12:49.56 | sniff` | root@white:/home/sniff/tzdata-2007b# dpkg --configure -a |
| 12:49.56 | sniff` | -sh: /usr/bin/dpkg: No such file or directory |
| 12:49.57 | sniff` | LOL :( |
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| 12:50.23 | valdyn | sniff`: what about 'ldconfig' ? |
| 12:50.36 | sniff` | root@white:/home/sniff/tzdata-2007b# ldconfig |
| 12:50.37 | sniff` | -sh: ldconfig: command not found |
| 12:50.42 | sniff` | root@white:/home/sniff/tzdata-2007b# ld |
| 12:50.42 | sniff` | -sh: /usr/bin/ld: No such file or directory |
| 12:50.44 | sniff` | lol |
| 12:50.45 | sniff` | :D |
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| 12:50.47 | valdyn | sniff`: run /sbin/ldconfig |
| 12:51.06 | sniff` | still no such etc |
| 12:51.09 | liable | how about /bin/bash /usr/bin/foo |
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| 12:51.23 | sniff` | same |
| 12:51.25 | sniff` | lol |
| 12:51.35 | ChP94 | ls -la /bin/bash |
| 12:51.37 | tralala | don't you get it? nothing will start with a fscked up libc |
| 12:51.37 | ChP94 | ? |
| 12:51.43 | sniff` | says the same about ls |
| 12:51.46 | valdyn | sniff`: you ran '/sbin/ldconfig' ? or missed that one? |
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| 12:51.56 | sniff` | valdyn yeah i did |
| 12:52.11 | peter_ | My dpkg stuck, it stops and I cant turn it off... how can I kill it? |
| 12:52.21 | semprix_ | guys rc2.d till 5 have the same content? |
| 12:52.24 | semprix_ | am i correct? |
| 12:52.28 | pumpkin0 | sniff`: forget it. That install is down and will not come up again w/o external help. |
| 12:52.33 | tralala | dpkg, kill |
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| 12:52.45 | pumpkin0 | peter_: killall dpkg |
| 12:52.47 | dimir | !kill |
| 12:52.48 | semprix_ | !rc.d |
| 12:52.48 | dpkg | Debian is not DedRat. There is no /etc/rc.d/*. Everything you want is in /etc/*. try (on debian) 'man update-rc.d', or ask me about <red hat tools> |
| 12:52.50 | FernandoMM | peter_ try killall dpkg |
| 12:52.51 | liable | dpkg: ignore tralala |
| 12:52.58 | suwro | umm - how do i do apt-get to get dependency on a package build ?? |
| 12:53.07 | semprix_ | !red hat tools |
| 12:53.07 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc. in more recent debian versions /etc/init.d/rc.local exists, see the script for more info |
| 12:53.14 | suwro | build-dep |
| 12:53.16 | suwro | got it |
| 12:53.18 | sniff` | pumpkin0 lol ok BIG thanks to every1 |
| 12:53.24 | tralala | !nopony liable |
| 12:53.24 | dpkg | liable: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 12:53.25 | semprix_ | !rc |
| 12:53.25 | dpkg | i guess rc is Release-critical, or Release Candidate |
| 12:53.32 | peter_ | FernandoMM, ok works |
| 12:53.35 | semprix_ | !rc.d |
| 12:53.35 | dpkg | Debian is not DedRat. There is no /etc/rc.d/*. Everything you want is in /etc/*. try (on debian) 'man update-rc.d', or ask me about <red hat tools> |
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| 12:55.56 | streuner | semprix_: /msg dpkg <factoid> would work too |
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| 12:57.39 | valdyn | dpkg: rc.d =~ s/DedRat/DeadRat/ |
| 12:57.39 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
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| 12:59.00 | liable | i like the little "not Yours" bit in the no pony picture, adds a nice touch |
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| 13:04.28 | semprix_ | guys in the /etc/rc5.d readme file |
| 13:04.49 | semprix_ | it says that if you want to stop the service at boot time you will rename it that should start as K |
| 13:05.09 | liable | man update-rc.d |
| 13:05.11 | semprix_ | or update-rc.d remove inetd should be good enough |
| 13:05.35 | liable | why do you want to stop inted? |
| 13:05.38 | tralala | if you don't want the service simply uninstall it |
| 13:05.40 | liable | thats silly |
| 13:06.12 | cast | or i've noticed if inetd has no services to run it won't start anyway :) |
| 13:06.35 | tralala | and inetd should be running anyway - you want to remove the *real* services |
| 13:07.26 | semprix_ | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/inetd: file does not exist |
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| 13:08.34 | semprix_ | im just getting more familiar with debian |
| 13:08.38 | semprix_ | environment |
| 13:08.40 | liable | you use ubuntu dont you? |
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| 13:08.55 | semprix_ | nope |
| 13:09.00 | tralala | you're actually breaking your environment in th eprocess |
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| 13:09.01 | semprix_ | i was a freebsd user before |
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| 13:09.07 | semprix_ | :( |
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| 13:09.20 | semprix_ | breaking? |
| 13:09.24 | semprix_ | what do you mean |
| 13:09.31 | fyrestrtr | I have a default install of etch using the netinstaller, the computer starts at 640 x 480, is there a way to force 800 x 600 resolution? Something in grub? |
| 13:09.36 | liable | do you have xinetd? |
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| 13:10.32 | tralala | I mean that when you get familiar enough you'll have to reinstall |
| 13:10.53 | semprix_ | tralala, yes i guess that would be the case |
| 13:11.12 | xk | how do you change ls to sort files starting with a period first, instead of ignoring the period? |
| 13:11.27 | tralala | with this in mind you can continue getting familiar |
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| 13:12.02 | semprix_ | tralala, id rather break this box and reinstall than keep on asking lame questions here |
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| 13:12.28 | semprix_ | so sorry if i keep on asking such easy questions, just catching up :) |
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| 13:12.49 | kramed_ | fyrestrtr: add vga=775 to the end of your booting kernel in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 13:13.16 | liable | xk: without -a ? |
| 13:13.17 | Hoxzer | how can I change compiler that make-kpkg uses ? |
| 13:13.27 | elventails | Hi, I'm trying to install php5-json, it depends on phpapi-20060613+lfs, but I can't seem to find that package through apt, any idea why? how can i know if its in unstable? |
| 13:13.29 | tralala | go ahead but remember - inetd is harmless on its own and quite useful if you decide to run a number of services, so don't touch it |
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| 13:13.42 | xk | liable: with -a |
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| 13:14.01 | liable | Hoxzer: export CC="gcc-<version> ; make |
| 13:14.12 | cahoot | Hoxzer, right above options in the man |
| 13:14.29 | xk | liables: it's currently showing ".ssh" before "sent", and after "Mail" |
| 13:14.31 | semprix_ | tralala, yes i know in fbsd we also have inetd |
| 13:14.42 | semprix_ | and i dont run services from inetd :) |
| 13:15.01 | sniff` | DAMN IT now i gotta go to the server farm |
| 13:15.04 | sniff` | laters all :( |
| 13:15.05 | tralala | in debian you do |
| 13:15.05 | semprix_ | debian rocks |
| 13:15.17 | liable | xk: hrm, mine behaves and shows it all alphabetically |
| 13:15.24 | Hoxzer | liable: strange... my $CC has distcc and it still seems to use gcc |
| 13:15.45 | semprix_ | tralala, ill keep that in mind |
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| 13:15.46 | semprix_ | :) |
| 13:15.50 | semprix_ | thanks mate |
| 13:16.30 | tralala | xk, sorting problems come from the locale sometimes. Try "LANG=C ls -a" |
| 13:16.47 | xk | tralala: yaeh, that worked. |
| 13:17.27 | xk | where is that set? |
| 13:17.38 | tralala | semprix_, debian handles configuration files in a fairly automated manner and if the default config does the job you should avoid touching it |
| 13:17.54 | semprix_ | tralala, im confused about the manpage, if you want to add some services during startup you will do update-rc.d foobar <-- service defaults |
| 13:18.34 | semprix_ | and if you dont want that service to start on boot you will do update-rc.d foobar remove? |
| 13:18.46 | semprix_ | am i right or far from truth |
| 13:19.09 | liable | inetd has its own tool for removing services it runs |
| 13:19.27 | liable | update-inetd |
| 13:19.31 | tralala | semprix_, update-rc.d is needed rarely and under specific circumstances. For now it's safe to forget it |
| 13:20.02 | liable | and it will get overwritten on package upgrades also |
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| 13:20.16 | semprix_ | i guess i just fuck up my system |
| 13:20.31 | semprix_ | :( |
| 13:20.42 | liable | you seem to be doing a good job, yes ;) |
| 13:20.46 | tralala | xk, you can change your locale to en_US but probably that's not what you want |
| 13:20.58 | semprix_ | liable, yeah |
| 13:21.00 | semprix_ | i guess lol |
| 13:21.02 | cast | semprix_: if you want to fuck things up you might as well install xen :> |
| 13:21.11 | semprix_ | xen? |
| 13:21.12 | tralala | that was hardly unexpected |
| 13:21.22 | cast | xen is like vmware esx |
| 13:21.26 | xk | tralala: it's already set to en_US... on my other systems, LANG is not set and does not exhibit the "issue" |
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| 13:21.29 | fyrestrtr | kramed_: thanks :) Got it sorted |
| 13:21.37 | SoulChild | ARGH I hate Haskell ,... only errors,... i think i am to much into pascal |
| 13:21.51 | semprix_ | well yeah i guess |
| 13:21.53 | semprix_ | heh |
| 13:21.55 | semprix_ | anyways |
| 13:22.03 | semprix_ | nothing really special running on this box |
| 13:22.23 | SoulChild | h3sp4wn: It's your fault ,... i am becoming a psycho |
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| 13:22.35 | armbar | hello |
| 13:22.43 | tralala | Skyrail, I don't know what's the debian way of dealing with LANG so unless you get a better hint you can do "unset LANG" in .bashrc |
| 13:22.53 | tralala | meh |
| 13:23.03 | tralala | xk, ^^ |
| 13:23.13 | chop1 | xk: Maybe it would work better if you set an encoding as well? E.g. en_US.ISO-8859-1 or en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 13:23.14 | liable | not even the right first char! |
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| 13:23.39 | chop1 | xk: Both of those seem to work for me, and I haven't seen sorting problems similar to what you describe |
| 13:23.41 | xk | tralala: ok. thanks. atleast you found the source of the issue :) |
| 13:23.45 | SoulChild | exit |
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| 13:24.30 | tralala | xk, what's your LANG set to anyway? |
| 13:24.41 | armbar | anyone ever be contracted to install Debian on a server? I am curious what flat rate charge could be made for a base install. |
| 13:24.44 | tarzeau | does any of you have access to superconductors? |
| 13:24.45 | xk | tralala: LANG=en_US, LANGUAGE=en_US:en_GB:en |
| 13:25.29 | fyrestrtr | armbar: $50 / hour |
| 13:25.47 | tarzeau | or an idea what funny things one can do with superconducting magnets that are powerful as tesla 7? |
| 13:25.55 | chop1 | armbar: I've charged $50-70/hr for Debian work. A straight install with no customization or setup might run a little cheaper. |
| 13:25.57 | liable | armbar: depends how much you think you are worth irt to debian sysadmin skills |
| 13:26.22 | tarzeau | (i mean besides killing electronic devices) |
| 13:26.43 | fyrestrtr | also depends on where you are. For simple stuff here, I charge $50 / hour, for more customization, its $90 / hour. |
| 13:26.54 | liable | tarzeau: please tell me you *don't* have such access! ;) |
| 13:27.05 | tralala | I think I'm worth 1M/hr. Sadly I must be the only one thinking it. |
| 13:27.16 | tarzeau | liable: i have even other funny devices :) |
| 13:27.22 | tarzeau | liable: yes i do, and many more |
| 13:27.24 | cast | tarzeau: would be cool to see a can crush itself |
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| 13:27.46 | liable | tarzeau: yes, i am waiting for the prototype windscreen motor dildo still! |
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| 13:28.05 | tarzeau | liable: i found a company making linear motors |
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| 13:28.48 | armbar | fyrestrtr: can you charge more that 1 hour for a basic install? |
| 13:28.56 | liable | hardly |
| 13:29.00 | tarzeau | armbar: freebasic.net ? |
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| 13:29.21 | fyrestrtr | armbar: my minimum is 2 hours for any work. |
| 13:29.27 | armbar | I see |
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| 13:29.35 | tarzeau | liable: did you see my vgalamp? |
| 13:29.35 | fyrestrtr | armbar: but I am quite good at what I do :) |
| 13:29.41 | liable | fyrestrtr: so what do you do afer the first 20 mins? ;) |
| 13:29.42 | cast | fyrestrtr: what qualifications do you have, out of curiousity? |
| 13:29.46 | fyrestrtr | armbar: there are people that charge A LOT more than me ;) |
| 13:29.59 | armbar | I know |
| 13:30.00 | liable | tarzeau: no |
| 13:30.08 | fyrestrtr | liable: consult with the client, documentation, delivery, etc. |
| 13:30.39 | tarzeau | liable: ohhh rly funny! let me show you: http://gnu.ethz.ch/vgalamp/ |
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| 13:31.40 | liable | tarzeau: that looks dangerous |
| 13:31.50 | fyrestrtr | cast: Bachelors of Science in Computer Science - Programming Emphasis; and CISA. |
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| 13:32.23 | tralala | tarzeau, what's this supposed to do? |
| 13:32.33 | tarzeau | tralala: give you an ambient light |
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| 13:32.42 | chop1 | I find it funny that all the people who answered the "using Debian to make yourself wealthy" question all answered in dollars US :-) |
| 13:33.09 | tarzeau | liable: low-power device, nothing can go wrong |
| 13:33.20 | tarzeau | liable: unless you give the vga rgb pins more than 0.7 volts |
| 13:33.25 | tarzeau | liable: we tried that, of course :) |
| 13:33.28 | cast | personally i'd charge people 25$ for doing a base install, but then i am newbish and it does take sub 15minutes :) |
| 13:33.29 | liable | tarzeau: sure, make a video of you in the bath with it! |
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| 13:33.52 | tralala | tarzeau, so it's a vga port light bulb? |
| 13:33.55 | liable | chop1: how do you know they were all us$ ? |
| 13:34.12 | tarzeau | tralala: check the video, you can set the color! |
| 13:34.26 | tarzeau | liable: and the old CRT screen burned really damn very bright |
| 13:34.35 | liable | i can see |
| 13:34.36 | chop1 | liable: Because USians are the only ones who generally don't specify which dollars they mean in an international forum. |
| 13:34.57 | tralala | tarzeau, cute :) |
| 13:35.02 | liable | chop1: ack |
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| 13:36.14 | cahoot | wonder if they in general are aware of the 'international' aspect |
| 13:36.19 | mosno | chop1: lol |
| 13:36.20 | liable | tarzeau: is that your excited voice in the video? |
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| 13:36.45 | zinx | cahoot: many aren't, from what i can see |
| 13:36.52 | tarzeau | liable: ah crap, must remove that once |
| 13:36.54 | tarzeau | liable: indeed |
| 13:36.58 | zinx | cahoot: i'm not sure i'd go as far as to say most |
| 13:37.00 | liable | hehe |
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| 13:38.49 | liable | tarzeau: is that just a copper board that everything gets its power from? |
| 13:38.54 | chop1 | cahoot: I didn't say most USians were unaware -- I am one, after all. Yee haw. But the converse seems pretty reliable; it's a good bet that if you see "$" with no clarification, it's US dollars being described by a US person. |
| 13:39.06 | liable | with very dodgy soldering to boot |
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| 13:40.18 | cahoot | chop1, oh it's just a small grumbling from the periphery - don't make too much of it |
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| 13:45.01 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:45.01 | dpkg | [qotd99] <t-jack> I have a 17-inch dysfunctional $Piece_Of_Hardware... |
| 13:45.40 | liable | gave that one yesterday |
| 13:45.40 | tralala | what a shame... |
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| 13:46.21 | chop1 | grep -v '\]\s*$' file gives me some matches that end with a "]" character. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
| 13:46.33 | tralala | but it makes me feel glad that my 19-inch $Piece_Of_Hardware is still functional |
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| 13:46.47 | test | hey i asked to encrypt a partition now everytime i reboot i get , enter LUKS passphrase : |
| 13:46.50 | zinx | always annoying when monitors go dead on you |
| 13:46.58 | test | anyway i can get rid of this |
| 13:47.01 | zinx | and you have to use the old 800x600@60Hz junker you have laying around from god knows when |
| 13:47.03 | test | and still have it encrypted |
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| 13:47.07 | tralala | chop1, use + instead of * |
| 13:47.48 | tralala | through a smartcard I suppose |
| 13:47.49 | cast | test: sure, openpgp smartcard is one way |
| 13:47.59 | chop1 | tralala: No, I want to optionally match whitespace; I don't want to force there being some. Maybe it's because I'm in cygwin scanning Windows-line-ending files or something. |
| 13:48.16 | test | cast, openpgp Or smartcard? |
| 13:48.21 | chop1 | tralala: In any case, perl -pe 'if(/\]\s*$/) { $_ = "" }' saved the day. Grumble, grumble. |
| 13:48.24 | cast | test: a less ideal way is to have use a keyfile and dump it on a usb drive or some such |
| 13:48.43 | test | sounds good |
| 13:48.46 | cast | test: i ment 'openpgp smartcard', as in a openpgp smartcard. :P |
| 13:48.46 | tralala | chop1, your regexp *should* match lines ending with ] |
| 13:49.13 | saintiss | chop1, why do you think your first query would not match ending ]? |
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| 13:49.17 | chop1 | tralala: Right, and then the -v should prevent them from being displayed. I want to display all lines that don't end with ]. |
| 13:49.21 | test | cast, how do i dump this LUKS encryption to a key to be loaded at boot time |
| 13:49.48 | cast | test: make your keyfile, then pass it as a argument to luksAddKey |
| 13:49.57 | chop1 | saintiss: The query would match those lines, and then because of -v the non-matching lines would be displayed. But I'm getting lines displayed that end in ]. In any case, I have my working perl expression now, so I'm happy. |
| 13:50.21 | cast | test: cryptsetup luksAddKey that is, then man crypttab, you might have to do something to make sure the usb gets mounted also |
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| 13:50.44 | liable | yes, perl makes everyones life easy |
| 13:50.55 | saintiss | chop1, ah, right, didn't spot the inversion |
| 13:50.57 | tralala | ahem, ahem... |
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| 13:51.30 | test | cast, how do i remove the encryption all together now? |
| 13:52.03 | chop1 | Except that now I don't get filename. Grumble! Hey, this is great too. grep -vP '\}\s*$' gives me: |
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| 13:52.15 | cast | test: uh very carefully. |
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| 13:52.28 | saintiss | chop1, the mistake is in the \s |
| 13:52.30 | chop1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.31 | chop1 | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 13:52.35 | saintiss | that doesn't seem to represent a whitespace with grep |
| 13:52.38 | cast | test: whats encrypted? |
| 13:52.40 | saintiss | it represents s |
| 13:53.16 | chop1 | saintiss: Aha! Thank you. '\]\r?$' works a treat. |
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| 13:54.44 | tarzeau | liable: yes |
| 13:55.15 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 13:55.31 | SamuraiDio | an app i gimming thi error at configure: configure: error: alsa library >= 1.0.8 not found |
| 13:55.36 | cast | so...anyone know an app thatll do aes-ctr? |
| 13:55.48 | SamuraiDio | what package do i need, there's no one libalsa-dev |
| 13:56.11 | tralala | SamuraiDio, /msg dpkg search |
| 13:56.13 | cahoot | linasound-dev? |
| 13:56.19 | cahoot | libasound-dev? |
| 13:56.21 | saintiss | chop1, this should work too: |
| 13:56.22 | saintiss | "\][[:space:]]*$" |
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| 13:56.49 | chop1 | saintiss: :-P |
| 13:57.12 | test | cast, it was set by default by debian installer , how do i get the encryption type , is there a command |
| 13:58.35 | cast | test: post the contents of /etc/crypttab and the output of df -h to a pastebin somewhere |
| 14:00.02 | test | cast, can i set encryption later on specific LVM volumes? |
| 14:00.10 | cast | test: sure can |
| 14:00.42 | test | ok , then ...i will just the installer again , and when i have time i will read all about crypttab and LUKS.. |
| 14:00.51 | test | and set it only on the partitions i need |
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| 14:04.26 | jrwr | i just installed the nvidia drivers for Lenny (i found a patch version) Anyway, i cant seem to get out of 640x480 here is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.ca/624722 |
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| 14:06.05 | cast | has been a suspiciously long time since someone asked a nvidia question |
| 14:06.36 | solitude | (celebrate?) |
| 14:06.37 | jrwr | you would think as there are soo many issues with the 2.6.21 kernel |
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| 14:06.48 | zamuro | Maybe they go to #ubuntu. That's the only question they can answer accurately |
| 14:06.59 | jrwr | and the nvidia drivers |
| 14:07.18 | jrwr | im just trying to get X out of 640x480 |
| 14:07.26 | jrwr | all the "normal" crap ive tried already |
| 14:07.28 | w00ka | how can i found out if my laptop has a hardware PRNG? Does anyone have HPnx8220 PY571EA? |
| 14:07.29 | twobitsprite | when I try to do an aptitude install, I get perl warmings about locales... This is a Debian 4.0 system, fresh install (however, it was installed by my shell provider, so might be modified) |
| 14:07.43 | jrwr | hrm.. Warmings :) |
| 14:08.31 | cast | twobitsprite: i used to fix that with dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:09.07 | jrwr | What is used to Make a X Config file |
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| 14:09.40 | w00ka | jrwr: text editor :D |
| 14:10.08 | twobitsprite | cast: cool, thanks |
| 14:10.30 | twobitsprite | jrwr: you can also use X -configure |
| 14:10.56 | twobitsprite | jrwr: or dpkg-reconfigure <xserver> |
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| 14:11.09 | twobitsprite | jrwr: where <x-server> is whatever package you have installed as an x server |
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| 14:12.36 | jrwr | what would lenny use as default |
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| 14:14.03 | spheard | how would I measure how much bandwidth a VPS is sucking, Ideally poll every 5 minutes and see whats the state of the connection is. |
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| 14:15.17 | wwallace_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnsz8Uc3enE |
| 14:15.45 | cast | what is it? |
| 14:15.59 | valdyn | !drxx jrwr |
| 14:15.59 | dpkg | jrwr: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 14:17.36 | spheard | wwallace_: :-o |
| 14:18.11 | saintiss | did anyone else see any problems with kernel oops caused by kio_http with kernel 2.6.21? (testing) |
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| 14:18.55 | valdyn | !tell saintiss -about ask |
| 14:19.26 | saintiss | valdyn, thanks for the tip, but surely I didn't ask to ask? |
| 14:20.03 | valdyn | !ask |
| 14:20.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:20.21 | saintiss | hehe |
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| 14:20.30 | saintiss | fine, I don't have any additional info... I can't "trigger" the crashes |
| 14:20.33 | valdyn | saintiss: you dont seriously need me to paraphrase this for you |
| 14:20.36 | saintiss | they just occur occasionally |
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| 14:20.46 | woal | is skype available from debian repo for 'testing'? |
| 14:21.01 | JacobH | Hi everyone. Does anyone know how I might stop ehci_hcd being loaded automatically when I boot? The line "blacklist ehci_hcd" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist appears not to do the trick. |
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| 14:21.43 | JacobH | woal: no...it's not "free" |
| 14:22.02 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 14:22.02 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 14:22.02 | JacobH | it's pretty straight-forward to install from the skype website, though |
| 14:22.12 | xand | woal: no, it's not OSS, but Skype may have a .deb |
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| 14:23.36 | wwalker | what is the debian equivalent to chkconfig? that is, a commandline tool for listing and controlling what starts at each run level (preferably Not a text UI or GUI, just a CLI) |
| 14:24.13 | woal | ok, thks. |
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| 14:24.24 | amundsen | hi |
| 14:24.28 | liable | !services |
| 14:24.28 | dpkg | from memory, services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 14:25.00 | amundsen | i've just installed etch and i'm having some trouble to make bootsplahs run |
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| 14:25.24 | amundsen | the package is installed but doesn't appear in the boot process |
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| 14:27.54 | hark | amundsen: which package did you install? |
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| 14:30.52 | Showtime | hi everyone |
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| 14:31.54 | jrwr | on Debian Lenny, My Xorg config is this: http://pastebin.ca/624722 but its stuck in 640x480! and i cannot get out of that mode |
| 14:32.24 | JacobH | valdyn: could I just ask for some clarification? I don't seem to have an /etc/hotplug/blacklist...would it work to create such a file just containing just the line "ehci_hcd"? |
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| 14:33.30 | liable | jrwr: you need to read your xorg.log as to why it doesnt like the other modes |
| 14:33.41 | jrwr | ok |
| 14:33.47 | jrwr | /var/log right? |
| 14:33.52 | liable | yup |
| 14:34.15 | wwalker | liable: thanks |
| 14:34.31 | liable | np |
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| 14:35.37 | jrwr | ARG! |
| 14:35.46 | jrwr | (WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1024x768"; removing. |
| 14:36.10 | amundsen | hark: bootsplash bootsplash-theme-debian linux-patch-bootsplash |
| 14:36.14 | valdyn | JacobH: read the whole factoid |
| 14:36.18 | liable | check your hz and depth |
| 14:36.24 | amundsen | hark: those are the packages i installed |
| 14:36.30 | valdyn | JacobH: the 'in etch and sid' part, |
| 14:36.37 | jrwr | if you look, they are not set (dpkg-reconfigure didnt set them) |
| 14:36.57 | abrotman | jrwr: did you even try the nv driver ? |
| 14:37.09 | jrwr | ya but its max of 800x600 |
| 14:37.19 | liable | jrwr: if you have edited the file by hand or used another config program, dpkg-reconfigure doesnt change the file |
| 14:37.25 | hark | amundsen: edited /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
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| 14:37.42 | jrwr | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 14:37.46 | JacobH | valdyn: which parts therefore apply to lenny? |
| 14:37.52 | jrwr | is what i used to configure xorg |
| 14:37.55 | valdyn | JacobH: 'etch and sid' |
| 14:38.02 | amundsen | hark: no, cause i don't know how to modify it so that bootsplash is activated |
| 14:38.19 | JacobH | valdyn: right, thanks |
| 14:38.26 | valdyn | dpkg: blacklist =~ s/etch/etch, lenny/ |
| 14:38.26 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
| 14:38.31 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 14:38.31 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch, lenny and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 14:38.44 | subx | ive got a problem with phpmyadmin, what log do i look at to see the problem? there is nothing labelled phpmyadmin in /var/log |
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| 14:38.50 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 14:38.56 | hark | amundsen: read /usr/share/doc/bootsplash/README.Debian |
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| 14:39.55 | valdyn | dpkg: blacklist sarge is <reply> Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). |
| 14:39.55 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
| 14:39.57 | JacobH | valdyn: might it be worth re-writing the first bit? It probably doesn't make much sense to have it primarily referring to the old version? |
| 14:40.16 | valdyn | JacobH: im doing that right now |
| 14:40.21 | JacobH | ah...beat me to it! |
| 14:40.25 | mynullvoid | hark: speaking about bootsplash, anyone have idea how to get debian to have like fedora graphical boot-up screen? |
| 14:40.26 | valdyn | !blacklist sarge |
| 14:40.26 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). |
| 14:41.22 | jrwr | liable, what should i use to make the config file then |
| 14:41.32 | amundsen | hark: i'm going to reboot the system to see what happens ... |
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| 14:41.42 | amundsen | hark: thx anyway |
| 14:41.57 | valdyn | dpkg: no, blacklist is<reply>In etch, lenny and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 14:42.19 | valdyn | dpkg: no, blacklist is <reply>In etch, lenny and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs. |
| 14:42.19 | dpkg | okay, valdyn |
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| 14:42.26 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 14:42.26 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs. |
| 14:43.43 | hark | mynullvoid: no, infact i haven't installed bootsplash in ages |
| 14:44.20 | valdyn | dpkg: blacklist =~ s/initramfs./initramfs. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. |
| 14:44.30 | mynullvoid | me too, but it kinda nice |
| 14:44.36 | valdyn | dpkg: blacklist =~ s/initramfs./initramfs. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>./ |
| 14:44.36 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
| 14:44.48 | mynullvoid | graphical boot loader heh |
| 14:45.02 | Dawn | friends, i do "mount -w -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /media/windows" and i have read access to the filesystem. then, when i try to "mkdir 1" it tells me something about not having access |
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| 14:45.23 | valdyn | !ntfsrw |
| 14:45.23 | dpkg | it has been said that ntfsrw is for beta-quality write support on i386, amd64 and possibly others, see <ntfs-3g>. For stable read-only support, ask me about <read-ntfs> |
| 14:45.36 | hark | rw support is extremely limited |
| 14:45.48 | hark | !ntfs-3g |
| 14:45.48 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs>, <backports> (in sarge-backports) |
| 14:45.48 | Dawn | oof |
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| 14:46.40 | JacobH | right...finally seem to have got that to work... |
| 14:46.42 | JacobH | thanks valdyn |
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| 14:49.23 | ManuP | hi. i own a notebook and want to use my pc-monitor with it. |
| 14:49.44 | latino23 | hi all |
| 14:49.48 | ManuP | how do i switch the picture from notebook to pc monitor? |
| 14:50.08 | pumpkin0 | ManuP: what laptop, waht gfx-chip, which debian ? |
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| 14:50.46 | ManuP | it is an hp nx6325 notebook with an ati radeon xpress200M card an debian etch |
| 14:50.55 | abrotman | ManuP: most laptops have the fn-<tvlookingthingie> button |
| 14:51.03 | latino23 | hi all |
| 14:51.05 | ManuP | i can switch with hotkey from tty1 to pc mon. but not in gnome. |
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| 14:51.22 | pumpkin0 | ManuP: radeon driver or ati-closed-source ? |
| 14:51.43 | abrotman | ManuP: hit the stupid Fn button |
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| 14:51.54 | ManuP | pumpkin0, both. i can switch betwenn them. atm i use the radeon, open-source driver |
| 14:52.18 | ManuP | abrotman, this does only work whithin ttyX, not in X |
| 14:52.37 | pumpkin0 | ManuP: you want 2x the same image or 2 different images (extends desktop or copy) ? |
| 14:52.41 | abrotman | that doesn't make sense |
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| 14:53.18 | ManuP | abrotman, i actually can switch from ttyX to X after switching, but i only get a section of my monitor... and the fn-<whateversymbol>-button doesnt work. |
| 14:53.27 | Dawn | when i burn a cd, which encoding is used for the file names? |
| 14:53.34 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: the radeon-driver can block the BIOS-generated hotkey events. I had the same problem with a newer driver. |
| 14:53.55 | ManuP | pumpkin0, i dont care...i would like more the same picture as i think this is easyer. |
| 14:54.00 | zinx | Dawn: typically iso8859-15 or 1 |
| 14:54.07 | ManuP | an extended desktop would be fine too *g* |
| 14:54.17 | zinx | Dawn: but Joliet/Rockridge may use something different |
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| 14:54.56 | Dawn | i'm so angry at windows right now... |
| 14:55.11 | abrotman | pumpkin0: yay intel! |
| 14:55.15 | abrotman | Dawn: wrong channel |
| 14:55.20 | pumpkin0 | ManuP: in xorg.conf with the radeon driver in the driver section: Option "MonitorLayout" "LVDS,CRT". |
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| 14:56.30 | ManuP | pumpkin0, searching.... |
| 14:56.59 | pumpkin0 | ManuP: http://linux.die.net/man/4/radeon => BIOSHotkeys. |
| 14:57.05 | ManuP | pumpkin0, didnt find it... |
| 14:57.20 | pumpkin0 | ManuP: ermm.. you have to add the line. |
| 14:58.15 | ManuP | pumpkin0, i suppose, it is described in the document you just send to me |
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| 15:00.16 | ManuP | pumpkin0, i dont understand it completely... in the document they say, i have to add option "MonitorLayout" "string"... |
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| 15:00.58 | ManuP | but i want to use the notebook monitor when not at home and when i am at home, i want to use the TMDS... |
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| 15:01.41 | pumpkin0 | ManuP: OK. The driver will output a copy on each head, no matter if there is something connected or not. |
| 15:02.16 | DawnLight | i have some files on an ext3 with hebrew file names and i want to trasfer them to an ntfs. i know how to use convmv so i can change to whatever encoding i want for the file names. the first thing i've tried is a driver that lets windows xp "mount" ext3 (as ext2). its working but whicever encoding i make the filesnames, utf8/iso-8859-8/cp1255, windows shows me wierd characters instead of hebrew. since writing to ntfs from linux is p |
| 15:02.16 | DawnLight | roblematic, i'm thinking of burning them to a dvd so i'm wondering about the file name encoding on dvds. does it use my encoding like it is, or does it convert it to a standart, which windows can read, or what? |
| 15:02.28 | ManuP | okay. but the signal on notebook has other resolution than the TMDS |
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| 15:03.29 | ManuP | pumpkin0, do i have to add the option anywhere in xorg.conf or in section monitor? |
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| 15:04.15 | pumpkin0 | ManuP: then you don't want a copy. You want 2 different images... ? |
| 15:05.18 | ManuP | pumpkin0, i dont care because the notebok will stand under my desk. i just didnt understand what i was suppesed to do |
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| 15:06.38 | ManuP | pumpkin0, i have now something that looks like that: http://pastebin.ca/624794 |
| 15:06.41 | pumpkin0 | ManuP: so you will not see the notebook during work ? hmm. |
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| 15:07.18 | test | what is the pxe deamon in debian? |
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| 15:07.23 | ManuP | pumpkin0, i didnt plan to. but if i COULD work it out to have an extended desktop, i would prefer this solution. |
| 15:07.28 | test | do i need it if i want to allow users to boot from network |
| 15:07.46 | pumpkin0 | ManuP: that is the wrong section. You want the Device section containing Driver "radeon" for the MonitorLayout-option. |
| 15:07.59 | ManuP | pumpkin0, oh, i see... |
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| 15:08.33 | pumpkin0 | ManuP: i think the BIOSHotKey-Option (radeon-sectio n, not monitor) will work better for you. |
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| 15:08.50 | ManuP | pumpkin0, http://pastebin.ca/624797 |
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| 15:09.24 | pumpkin0 | ManuP: yes, that is better. Test that. |
| 15:09.40 | ManuP | ok, brb |
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| 15:12.50 | ManuP | pumpkin's gone? |
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| 15:13.26 | liable | turned midnight? |
| 15:14.10 | hark | hehe |
| 15:14.33 | ManuP | hmm... now i am alone with my problem :/ |
| 15:14.39 | ManuP | abrotman, do you have an idea? |
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| 15:15.20 | hark | liable: did you try beryl with the new fglrx drivers? |
| 15:15.32 | jetscreamer | once, i changed my internal ip range from 192.x to 10.x ... had to redo the iptables, internet 'didn't work'. i could see that. but rr just changed to comcast... and i had to do the same thing? it's the external ip tha gets hung on the router... i don't get it. |
| 15:15.54 | liable | hark: i havent had xgl working for some time now. i am loath to recompile it again :( |
| 15:16.13 | hark | no need for xgl now i think :) |
| 15:16.20 | liable | huh? |
| 15:16.36 | liable | tell me its true! |
| 15:17.11 | hark | the new drivers support composite with dri, just no texture from pixmap support. |
| 15:17.23 | abrotman | ManuP: i gave oyu mine .. maybe ask #ati |
| 15:17.32 | hark | but, with beryl you can use some 'copy method' which is supposed to work |
| 15:18.05 | liable | hark: hrm |
| 15:18.17 | maxamillion | hark: hacking around with beryl related things generally results in disaster :/ |
| 15:18.20 | liable | show me the money |
| 15:18.29 | hark | liable: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/compiz/2007-June/002446.html |
| 15:18.39 | liable | maxamillion: if you think broken x is disaster.. |
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| 15:19.37 | liable | hark: tried it? |
| 15:19.53 | liable | i am about to sleep, but i will have a look tomorrow |
| 15:19.56 | ManuP | abrotman, you just said something like HIT FN and bla.. but this doesnt work. |
| 15:19.58 | syzygyBSD | is it possible to install etch on a software raid 5? I am having trouble installing the boot loader |
| 15:20.05 | abrotman | ManuP: it works on mine |
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| 15:20.11 | hark | liable: don't need to, the open source drivers here ;p |
| 15:20.22 | liable | hark: bastardage! |
| 15:20.24 | maxamillion | liable: well, i don't .... but a good amount of users do |
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| 15:20.38 | hark | came across it earlier, just wondered :) |
| 15:20.55 | liable | hark: will let you know how goes it |
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| 15:21.55 | ManuP | abrotman, well, i can cook coffee with my notebook by pressing the <coffee>-button.. so if you want some, feel free to press it ^^ |
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| 15:22.12 | abrotman | ManuP: i told you how it works for me and thousands of other people |
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| 15:22.25 | liable | hark: that thread seemed to die an early death |
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| 15:22.43 | ManuP | argh, i hate not being ordinarily... |
| 15:22.54 | arod | which module do I load to enable freq scaling (powernowd) with my core 2 duo desktop CPU? |
| 15:23.08 | hark | liable: yeah, figured there was some catch to it.. otherwise would have heard of it a lot more :) |
| 15:23.42 | abrotman | ManuP: on my laptop .. i hit the Fn+7 (i think) and it switches the way the video output goes |
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| 15:24.24 | ManuP | abrotman, mine does too, under win and when i am in console tty.... |
| 15:24.28 | helo | during etch netinst, how can i tell if my network is configured correctly? i'd like to try pinging something, but ping isn't available yet |
| 15:24.29 | ManuP | but not under X |
| 15:24.43 | arod | ok. acpi-cpufreq |
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| 15:24.47 | abrotman | ManuP: then ask #ati ... like i already said .. it's there binary-only driver |
| 15:25.02 | ManuP | abrotman, they dindt reply jet |
| 15:25.06 | ManuP | yet |
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| 15:25.33 | sandman | I get an "kernel: Bad page state in process" error about every 2 seconds. Anyone know why this is? |
| 15:25.40 | sandman | Also, my system beeps when it happens. |
| 15:26.04 | mynullvoid | sandman: what's google says? |
| 15:26.05 | eSa^fuso | hello, i've incendentally overwritten the 56mb of an ext2 partition (/dev/sda3) when using dd |
| 15:26.16 | eSa^fuso | hello, i've incendentally overwritten the 56mb of an ext2 partition (/dev/sda3) when using dd |
| 15:26.39 | sandman | mynullvoid: I searched yesterday for the exact line, and I only got one result out of the entire internet. |
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| 15:26.55 | syzygyBSD | search harder? |
| 15:27.03 | SaintBeer | How to update gnome from 2.18 to the latest one ??? |
| 15:27.18 | mynullvoid | eSa^fuso: http://www.google.com.my/search?hl=en&q=linux+undelete+ext2&meta= |
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| 15:28.26 | branstrom | I get this a lot: |
| 15:28.28 | branstrom | Setting up mtop (0.6.6-1.2) ... |
| 15:28.28 | branstrom | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 15:28.31 | mynullvoid | sandman: I don't know your line but I got 40 results |
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| 15:29.01 | branstrom | I've tried poking around in the post-installation script for mtop, but it seems to assume the user and password from somewhere else. |
| 15:29.18 | mynullvoid | branstrom: looks like mysql thingie |
| 15:29.51 | branstrom | I've got a password set for root@localhost, but not for the mysqltop user, which it SHOULD use. |
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| 15:29.56 | branstrom | If it were smart. |
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| 15:32.28 | k31th | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 443 -i eth0 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.4 |
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| 15:32.31 | k31th | will that forward web traffic for 443 to my local lan ip ? |
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| 15:32.47 | k31th | eth0 is the real address eth1 is the local ip (this box ir doing NAT) |
| 15:33.07 | renewbie | hi, does anyone know of wireless rtl8180 drivers native to linux |
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| 15:33.29 | wols | renewbie: r818 |
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| 15:34.43 | renewbie | wols: sorry I didn't get you.. |
| 15:34.58 | wols | renewbie: http://rtl8180-sa2400.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 15:35.38 | renewbie | wols: cool, thank you for the pointer.. :) |
| 15:35.44 | liable | stupid ati |
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| 15:35.59 | wols | serves you right for buying their stuff :) |
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| 15:36.28 | liable | dont have much choice with laptops |
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| 15:36.54 | zinx | yes you do |
| 15:36.58 | zinx | you can buy a different laptop :/ |
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| 15:37.17 | liable | yes a compromise on other things |
| 15:37.22 | abrotman | wrong |
| 15:37.24 | h3sp4wn | unless its a work laptop |
| 15:37.41 | zinx | you can buy a wireless card, too, or a USB adapter |
| 15:37.52 | zinx | or even an ethernet one |
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| 15:37.58 | liable | pffft |
| 15:38.08 | zinx | they're <= $50 |
| 15:38.16 | zinx | USD of course |
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| 15:38.37 | liable | wtf does plugin cards have to do with it? |
| 15:39.04 | zinx | what don't plugin cards have to do with having supported wireless? |
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| 15:39.33 | liable | i am talking about graphics :P |
| 15:39.54 | zinx | oh, well |
| 15:40.01 | zinx | sorry then :P |
| 15:40.12 | zinx | that one you usually have to compromise for |
| 15:40.22 | liable | and i'm fucked if i would buy a laptop that needs plugin net cards |
| 15:40.27 | liable | :P |
| 15:40.27 | zinx | liable: get fglrx working (it really isn't that hard) |
| 15:40.31 | delire | liable: ATI don't have much interest in Linux. you have to buy another card if you want reasonable performance. |
| 15:40.36 | ManuP | abrotman, i solved my problem like this: use the ati-propri driver and connect the monitor from boot-time to notebook. then change the resolution via gnome-menu to 1280x1024 (the one for the flatscreen on my desk) and it is fine |
| 15:40.42 | liable | zinx: sure |
| 15:40.48 | zinx | liable: i don't know that it supports suspend-to-<x> properly, and its 3D is slower than in windows, but it does work |
| 15:40.52 | liable | delire: plugin cards for laptops? |
| 15:40.54 | delire | zinx: it is sometimes. i've been using it for years and from version to version it is terrible. |
| 15:41.01 | delire | liable: i don't know what you're talking about. |
| 15:41.21 | zinx | delire: i used it a long time ago when it was still very unstable.. it's come a long way :/ |
| 15:41.22 | delire | liable: if you're on a laptop, then you'll need to buy another laptop. |
| 15:41.34 | Bachaco | i need some help |
| 15:41.40 | delire | zinx: i'm a graphics programmer and i see many regressions and many improvements. |
| 15:41.45 | zinx | delire: no doubts |
| 15:41.45 | delire | zinx: in other words, it's a mess. |
| 15:41.49 | syzygyBSD | wow, just used the ssh installer. It is nice |
| 15:41.52 | zinx | delire: i'm one as well |
| 15:41.59 | zinx | delire: though i don't do much of it |
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| 15:42.41 | delire | NVIDIA on Linux on IBM Intellistations is practically a standard in the feature film industry these days. NVIDIA has a big commitment to Linux in this regard. |
| 15:43.02 | zinx | yeah, i don't buy ATI cards for Linux anymore |
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| 15:43.09 | delire | zinx: wise i reckon. |
| 15:43.16 | delire | zinx: vote with your pocket. |
| 15:43.19 | zinx | getting a laptop soon, and it'll be nVidia. |
| 15:43.23 | liable | yeah, such a big commitment the release specs |
| 15:43.31 | liable | s/the/they/ |
| 15:43.40 | delire | zinx: i'm about to buy another portable and it too will proabbly be an nVidia machine |
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| 15:44.02 | zinx | liable: nVidia hasn't and won't released specs either |
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| 15:44.19 | zinx | nVidia just has the better drivers in Linux |
| 15:44.21 | syzygyBSD | anyone use the new avivo drivers? |
| 15:44.23 | liable | zinx: erm, thats what i was saying.. |
| 15:44.30 | zinx | syzygyBSD: they're not really ready for prime-time yet |
| 15:44.31 | CppIsWeird | i just booted up, and every time i clicked anything to open it, it would close immidately. how come? I also cant alt+crtl+F** |
| 15:44.44 | delire | liable: yes it's not an ideal situation at all. |
| 15:44.48 | zinx | liable: by saying it's such a big commitment to release specs? i don't get it :x |
| 15:45.02 | syzygyBSD | zinx: I know, just wondering how they are doing. fglx is pissing me off |
| 15:45.15 | zinx | the main problem i think is that the Big Two have pretty much a cartel with all the patents floating around |
| 15:45.28 | zinx | syzygyBSD: oh, they're coming along |
| 15:45.34 | liable | hark: i blame you for this stupid conversation! |
| 15:45.46 | zinx | syzygyBSD: same could be said about nouveau though |
| 15:45.49 | valdyn | 'big two' ? intel is bigger by a huge margin in the gfx market |
| 15:45.52 | delire | liable: are you calling hark liable? |
| 15:45.57 | zinx | valdyn: gaming cards |
| 15:46.00 | Bachaco | somebody can tell me where can I find a guide abut all the basics command that I need for use DEBIAN 4.0?? obviusly I am a rookie with this s.o...... so please i Need some help |
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| 15:46.09 | zinx | valdyn: Intel makes cards your grandmother would use |
| 15:46.13 | wols | !tell Bachaco about grounding |
| 15:46.21 | wols | !tell Bachaco about refcard |
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| 15:46.40 | syzygyBSD | zinx: yup, cards that just work |
| 15:46.41 | liable | reference is teh one |
| 15:46.50 | zinx | valdyn: they are *REALLY HORRIBLE* at 3d graphics, and here's how they treat issues w/ their drivers: http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-004684.htm |
| 15:46.51 | Arafangion | !tell me about grounding |
| 15:46.56 | Arafangion | !tell me about refcard |
| 15:47.07 | liable | !tell Arafangion about selftell |
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| 15:47.34 | zinx | valdyn: i.e., they expect their drivers to suck :) |
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| 15:47.42 | syzygyBSD | !selftell about selftell |
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| 15:48.03 | valdyn | zinx: nonsense |
| 15:48.07 | liable | !kill syzygyBSD |
| 15:48.10 | zinx | valdyn: in any case, intel's cards aren't suitable for 3D game development |
| 15:48.19 | zinx | valdyn: and aren't suitable for most new 3d games either |
| 15:48.22 | valdyn | zinx: they just dont care to get every 3rd party opengl screensaver to work |
| 15:48.25 | delire | zinx: my wife's x60 TP performs reasonably well with Quake3. i was impressed with the Intel drivers on that basic level. |
| 15:48.29 | zinx | valdyn: uhm |
| 15:48.31 | CppIsWeird | i just booted up, and every time i clicked anything to open it, it would close immediately. how come? I also cant alt+crtl+F** |
| 15:48.37 | zinx | valdyn: it's not about getting X screensaver to work |
| 15:48.37 | valdyn | zinx: because 99.99% of their customers likely dont |
| 15:48.46 | zinx | valdyn: it's about supporting OpenGL properly |
| 15:48.56 | valdyn | zinx: the link you showed is aboit OpenGL, not about X |
| 15:48.58 | zinx | valdyn: in a way that doesn't crash the system |
| 15:49.04 | zinx | valdyn: X was a variable there |
| 15:49.09 | zinx | valdyn: please don't be stupid |
| 15:49.09 | liable | classic, radio station playing frank zappa |
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| 15:49.42 | zinx | valdyn: that link is about Windows, too. |
| 15:49.42 | delire | liable: can't complain about that. |
| 15:49.47 | liable | CppIsWeird: using which driver? |
| 15:50.09 | valdyn | zinx: its about OpenGL screensavers in windows |
| 15:50.34 | zinx | valdyn: it's about OpenGL support. |
| 15:50.41 | valdyn | zinx: not at all |
| 15:50.57 | liable | laters |
| 15:51.01 | zinx | valdyn: whether it's a screensaver or not has nothing to do with it - if the drivers crash when doing OpenGL as per the specifications, the drivers are buggy. |
| 15:51.21 | zinx | valdyn: or the hardware is buggy. whichever is bad. |
| 15:51.44 | Bachaco | wols. thnaks man |
| 15:51.46 | zinx | valdyn: they are just too lazy to track down the problem and fix it. |
| 15:51.54 | CppIsWeird | liable... driver to what? |
| 15:52.07 | Bachaco | wols, thanks man |
| 15:52.08 | h3sp4wn | I will never buy nvidia again (can't even get simple things right like running at the correct DPI) - my ati 9250 handled the same edid perfectly (and at the correct dpi) |
| 15:52.11 | zinx | valdyn: where "lazy" in the corporate world means they don't care enough to pay their people to fix it |
| 15:52.18 | valdyn | zinx: or the screensavers dont strictly follow the spec or the screensavers dont care about the spec at all and only try to support nvidia or whatever the hell |
| 15:52.33 | valdyn | zinx: its a complete non-issue as per that bug |
| 15:52.42 | zinx | h3sp4wn: nVidia's drivers calculate the dpi from the edid display size by default, ATI's and X.org do not |
| 15:52.53 | zinx | valdyn: uhm |
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| 15:53.20 | zinx | valdyn: let's assume for a moment that they don't follow the specs (which would be pretty much impossible, considering nVidia's/ATI's drivers reject stuff that's not spec) |
| 15:53.30 | zinx | valdyn: even if they don't, they should not lockup or crash the system. |
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| 15:54.01 | zinx | valdyn: i'm going to assume that you don't know how OpenGL works at this point in the conversation. |
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| 15:54.16 | twobitsprite | valdyn: AFAIK, screensavers don't use custom OpenGL drivers... i.e. when someone writes a screensaver, they don't reinvent the wheel and do their own native opengl calls... they usually rely on the OS/driver to do that |
| 15:54.18 | h3sp4wn | zinx: why does nvidia do 95x96 (stupid) and xorg do 96x96 then |
| 15:54.35 | zinx | h3sp4wn: because nVidia auto-calculates it and xorg doesn't. xorg just defaults to 96. |
| 15:54.41 | zinx | h3sp4wn: nVidia has overrides for the DPI |
| 15:54.51 | h3sp4wn | zinx: I do override it |
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| 15:54.53 | zinx | h3sp4wn: x.org does too, and if you give X.org the same DisplaySize, it will calculate it. |
| 15:55.10 | h3sp4wn | zinx: still doesn't look right though (compared to my old trusty radeon) |
| 15:55.20 | zinx | h3sp4wn: then you're choosing a different DPI |
| 15:55.35 | valdyn | twobitsprite: maybe you should look at those screensavers and argue about this then. But its really beside the point, MY only point is that screensavers being slow is a non-issue |
| 15:55.36 | zinx | h3sp4wn: or possibly a different screen resolution |
| 15:55.39 | h3sp4wn | zinx: No and I am 100% certain of this |
| 15:55.52 | zinx | h3sp4wn: if the fonts appear different, then your DPI is different. period. |
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| 15:56.07 | zinx | h3sp4wn: nVidia doesn't have custom font rendering or different fonts, it's all standard X stuff |
| 15:56.25 | zinx | h3sp4wn: if they're different installs, it may be different font sets altogether |
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| 15:56.52 | h3sp4wn | zinx: Its the same install |
| 15:57.12 | zinx | h3sp4wn: then the DPI was most likely different |
| 15:57.23 | h3sp4wn | zinx: xdpyinfo - says 96x96 for both |
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| 15:57.56 | zinx | h3sp4wn: there aren't really that many things it can be. and it's not the drivers. of that i am certain :) |
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| 15:58.43 | h3sp4wn | zinx: I am certain its the drivers (could just be the card is not that close to the reference design though) |
| 15:59.26 | zinx | h3sp4wn: font rendering has nothing to do with the design of the card |
| 15:59.32 | zinx | h3sp4wn: and it has very little to do with the drivers |
| 15:59.53 | zinx | h3sp4wn: the drivers can accelerate stuff improperly (and they have in the past, but that was a *LONG* time ago) |
| 16:00.04 | zinx | h3sp4wn: that's it. |
| 16:00.22 | zinx | h3sp4wn: nVidia's drivers no longer have any bugs like that, and it wouldn't be letters that look different, it would be garbage. |
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| 16:02.06 | h3sp4wn | zinx: subpixel hinting is to do with the driver |
| 16:02.23 | zinx | h3sp4wn: funnily enough, it isn't |
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| 16:02.39 | zinx | h3sp4wn: the driver can provide acceleration for that, but it doesn't have to - nVidia's do, and do it properly. |
| 16:02.54 | h3sp4wn | zinx: nvidia does it incorrectly here then |
| 16:03.08 | zinx | h3sp4wn: No it doesn't. You are mistaken and have misconfigured your system, or are imagining it. |
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| 16:03.33 | zinx | h3sp4wn: i can say that with confidence because no such bug has been reported, ever. |
| 16:03.44 | h3sp4wn | zinx: We might as well end this discussion (as I am 100% certain of this) |
| 16:03.47 | zicho | Can anyone help me with my printer? I have purchased a "Brother DCP-155C" and I dont know how to make it work. When i try to "add printer" in GNOME, it can find it but i dont have the correct "ppd"-file. Does anyone know how i can fix this? |
| 16:03.53 | zinx | h3sp4wn: then perhaps you should report the bug. |
| 16:04.05 | valdyn | h3sp4wn: isnt your bug listed somewhere at nvnews.com ? |
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| 16:05.02 | h3sp4wn | valdyn: By me or by someone else (I thought about reporting it) |
| 16:05.03 | valdyn | s/nvnews.com/nvnews.net/ |
| 16:05.17 | valdyn | h3sp4wn: by anyone, have yuou looked? |
| 16:05.23 | h3sp4wn | valdyn: yes |
| 16:05.47 | SaintBeer | My netselect-apt says that im behind a firewall and its blocking the traceroute how to fiz it ? i dont remember of installing any firewall |
| 16:06.33 | kevinl-- | SaintBeer: does iptables -L shoy anything? |
| 16:06.45 | kevinl-- | cause if it does, you have a firewall |
| 16:06.57 | kevinl-- | if not, you probably dont |
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| 16:09.38 | SaintBeer | kevinl-- yes it does. Chain INPUT(policy accept) Chain FORWARD(policy accept) Chain OUTPUT(policy accept) |
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| 16:19.42 | some_dude | to print from linux to a smb printer what are the packages i MUST have installed ? |
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| 16:20.35 | some_dude | I'm adding my printer through the cups web interface smb://username:password@computername/printer and it's a HP PCL 6 printer, so I select that, but the printer will not print. |
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| 16:21.25 | some_dude | it says things like "Printing page 1,4% complete..." |
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| 16:25.09 | valdyn | !cups setup |
| 16:25.09 | dpkg | well, cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy!, or you can try printconf |
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| 16:26.54 | test | what's the right way of preventing dhclient3 from updating /etc/resolve.conf |
| 16:27.52 | |chiz| | test: run them as a user that doesn't have write access to /etc/resolve.conf |
| 16:28.19 | \amethyst | |chiz|: such a user probably can't set the IP address either |
| 16:28.23 | valdyn | some_dude: maybe you want to use someting like foomatic-gui where you dont need to enter printer uri manually but just select what's autodetected |
| 16:28.30 | \amethyst | test: supersede domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; |
| 16:29.15 | \amethyst | test: also supersede domain-name "whatever" |
| 16:30.02 | test | \amethyst, where do i put this config option |
| 16:30.09 | \amethyst | test: /etc/dhclient.conf |
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| 16:32.48 | mith | why would i get: |
| 16:32.49 | mith | mount error: permission denied or not superuser and mount.cifs not installed SUID |
| 16:33.05 | mith | when trying to mount something that is in fstab with the user/users option present and mount and mount.cifs are definitely suid |
| 16:33.19 | mith | any time i try to mount it as anyone other than root |
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| 16:33.43 | mith | this works fine on another machine that has been upgraded from potato->woody->sarge->etch but not on this machine that is a clean etch install |
| 16:33.54 | mith | any ideas? |
| 16:34.02 | wols | mith: wrong user/password |
| 16:34.15 | mith | wols: doesn't get that far |
| 16:34.53 | mith | i have credentials=/home/dhuff/.smb-cred in the mount options and .smb-cred only contains a username so it should prompt for a password |
| 16:35.00 | mith | it gives that error before prompting for a password |
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| 16:35.41 | \amethyst | mith: so what's the entire fstab line? |
| 16:35.55 | valdyn | mith: show the whole command and fstab entry |
| 16:36.00 | mith | on the machine it's working on i specify username= explicitly in fstab, but doing that on the clean etch install doesn't make it work either |
| 16:36.11 | mith | //jules/public /mnt/jules/PUBLIC cifs defaults,noauto,credentials=/home/dhuff/.smb-cred,uid=5132,gid=505,rw,user 0 0 |
| 16:36.40 | mith | just trying to do mount /mnt/jules/PUBLIC as a non-root user |
| 16:37.12 | \amethyst | mith: as user jules? |
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| 16:37.22 | mith | the line on a working machine (connecting to a different host as it's on a completely different network) is: |
| 16:37.26 | mith | //bunbun/c$ /home/c cifs defaults,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,username=mith,rw,users 0 0 |
| 16:37.30 | \amethyst | mith: err, sorry, as user dhuff? |
| 16:37.37 | mith | \amethyst: yes |
| 16:38.00 | valdyn | mith: user or users |
| 16:38.10 | \amethyst | mith: can the user read the credential file? |
| 16:38.10 | mith | valdyn: same result with either |
| 16:38.16 | mith | \amethyst: yes |
| 16:38.23 | kevinl-- | anyone built usplash on etch? I compiled a custom theme from the usplash source package, but it only works on boot, the shudown is the "Testcard" image , i see no configureable way to fix this |
| 16:38.24 | mith | -r-------- 1 dhuff ops 23 2007-07-07 01:20 .smb-cred |
| 16:38.48 | valdyn | mith: skip the 'rw' |
| 16:38.59 | mith | um, why? |
| 16:39.04 | \amethyst | mith: does adding -v to the mount command line give any more information? |
| 16:39.25 | mith | skipping empty user mount parameter |
| 16:39.28 | mith | what's that mean? |
| 16:39.57 | \amethyst | mith: aha! in CIFS user is the parameter for the username |
| 16:39.59 | valdyn | mith: because that is easier from here than checking if you are exporting it rw |
| 16:40.02 | \amethyst | mith: you want "users" |
| 16:40.09 | SaintBeer | How to end up my firewall ??? |
| 16:40.10 | mith | well changing it to users instead of user makes that go away but still mount error: permission denied or not superuser and mount.cifs not installed SUID |
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| 16:40.29 | mith | valdyn: it's most definitely rw i have it mounted it on like 100 windows machines :P |
| 16:40.41 | mith | two of which connecting as the same user |
| 16:40.51 | valdyn | mith: and? is it rw there? |
| 16:40.56 | mith | yes |
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| 16:41.11 | \amethyst | mith: can the machine connect to //jules/public ? |
| 16:41.20 | mith | yes smbclient works fine |
| 16:41.34 | valdyn | mith: one of your assumptions is wrong. maybe the credentials, maybe the rw, maybe whatever. |
| 16:41.51 | valdyn | mith: defenitely easier if you remove rw to exclude that as error source |
| 16:42.22 | mith | valdyn: I've got an identical line mounting another machine that also wont let me mount as a non-root user but it's mounting c$ which is unquestionbly rw |
| 16:42.23 | \amethyst | mith: if you change it to use "user=foo" instead of the credential file, does it work? |
| 16:42.38 | mith | \amethyst: you mean username=? no |
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| 16:42.51 | \amethyst | mith: username= ? |
| 16:43.01 | \amethyst | mith: man cifs says it's user= |
| 16:43.20 | mith | \amethyst: the option for cifs/smbfs is username as far as i know it's working on this other machine like that |
| 16:44.04 | mith | \amethyst: but anyways, same result with user=domain/dhuff or username=domain/dhuff instead of credentials |
| 16:44.11 | \amethyst | mith: does the line that works on the other machine work here? |
| 16:44.22 | mith | but all of the above mount properly when mounted as root |
| 16:44.25 | \amethyst | the //bunbun/c$ |
| 16:44.35 | \amethyst | hrm |
| 16:44.38 | mith | bunbun is on an unreachable network |
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| 16:44.49 | some_dude | I'm using the foomatic-gui, but it can only see of my XP printers for the rest, I'm getting access denied to the computer that has the printer, is there a way i can set a smb username and password ? |
| 16:44.56 | mith | the only problem i'm having is non-root users can't mount the stuff, it mounts fine and works rw and everything when mount is run by root |
| 16:45.08 | GNUtoo | hello,i have a program that requires glibc2.4 how do i install it on etch? |
| 16:45.12 | \amethyst | mith: who is uid 5132 btw? |
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| 16:45.26 | mith | \amethyst: dhuff |
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| 16:46.44 | mith | \amethyst: you in #flood? |
| 16:46.48 | \amethyst | no |
| 16:46.54 | \amethyst | !paste |
| 16:46.54 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 16:46.56 | mith | could you be for a second? |
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| 16:48.05 | fasta | How can I make a DVD iso from a CD? |
| 16:48.06 | mith | \amethyst: see what I mean? |
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| 16:49.34 | mith | jesus time to change that password stupid mount -v output |
| 16:49.49 | \amethyst | mith: doh |
| 16:50.03 | mith | changed so it doesn't matter |
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| 16:50.26 | GNUtoo | what should i do for my glibc problem? is there any backports? |
| 16:50.28 | \amethyst | mith: and /sbin/mount.cifs is owned by root, mode 4755 ? |
| 16:50.34 | mith | \amethyst: but ya i mean you see why I'm like wtf? it works fine elsewhere |
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| 16:51.08 | mith | \amethyst: mount and mount.cifs are both -rwsr-xr-x |
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| 16:51.26 | Miles_Prower | http://dealnews.com/deals/Netzero-10-hours-of-dial-up-Internet-access-per-month-for-free/177959.html?ref=alert |
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| 16:51.57 | \amethyst | mith: most strange |
| 16:52.04 | mith | \amethyst: i know right :( |
| 16:52.13 | thisiz | hi. does anyone know how to setup a vpn client in gnome that can import pcf files ? |
| 16:52.45 | \amethyst | mith: and strace won't even work because it's setuid root |
| 16:53.09 | grew | thisiz: there are many different types of vpns. you will have to be more specific |
| 16:53.11 | mith | \amethyst: ya, it's crazy, and like i said almost identical options work fine on another machine on another network :( |
| 16:53.12 | muh2000 | i installed phpldapadmin but server says "404" what did i do wrong ? |
| 16:53.26 | \amethyst | mith: do exactly identical options work? |
| 16:53.30 | hark | thisiz: vpnc can |
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| 16:53.46 | mith | \amethyst: the difference between the machines is the one that works has gone from potato->woody->sarge->etch and the one that doesn't is a clean install |
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| 16:53.57 | syzygyBSD | I am trying to find a package that contains libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 or a file I can link as it |
| 16:54.01 | mith | \amethyst: yes exact same options except the username/password and path to the share |
| 16:54.12 | syzygyBSD | I have libc6 installed but that isn't it |
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| 16:54.19 | thisiz | hark : i have tried using this but its code based? |
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| 16:54.57 | \amethyst | mith: what versions of the smbfs package on the two machines? |
| 16:55.09 | delire | syzygyBSD: dpkg -S libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 |
| 16:55.25 | hark | thisiz: there is a frontend "kvpnc" if you want. but /usr/share/vpnc/pcf2vpnc will import it |
| 16:55.29 | syzygyBSD | delire, not found |
| 16:55.44 | delire | syzygyBSD: in that case, go to packages.debian.org |
| 16:55.49 | mith | \amethyst: both are 3.0.24-6etch4 |
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| 16:56.00 | syzygyBSD | ok, thanks |
| 16:56.00 | mith | \amethyst: but the smbfs package isn't even used when mounting as cifs |
| 16:56.10 | mith | afaik |
| 16:56.13 | thisiz | hark: does the kvpnc work in gnome ? |
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| 16:56.23 | hark | !helpfile vpnc thisiz |
| 16:56.23 | dpkg | For help with vpnc thisiz, look in /usr/share/doc/vpnc thisiz There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
| 16:56.24 | \amethyst | mith: what package does etch's mount.cifs come from? |
| 16:56.47 | mith | oh i guess that is where mount.cifs comes from |
| 16:56.58 | hark | thisiz: yes, like any other qt/kde app |
| 16:57.04 | mith | i was wrong it's rhel/centos that it doesn't use that package at all :P |
| 16:57.17 | mith | (in 5 anyways) |
| 16:57.41 | thisiz | thanks - i'm trying it now and will let you in a few mins |
| 16:57.49 | mith | ya this shit is weird |
| 16:58.07 | mith | did i maybe leave selinux turned on? where's debian stick the config for that? |
| 16:58.19 | \amethyst | mith: can the user access /mnt/jules/PUBLIC ? |
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| 16:58.27 | \amethyst | mith: at least execute permissions? |
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| 16:58.46 | hark | though i never used it as such.. damn cisco ipsec over tcp is not supported |
| 16:58.46 | mith | \amethyst: ya just no write perms unless it's mounted |
| 16:58.57 | syzygyBSD | delire: thanks I found it "libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2" I would have never guessed it |
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| 16:59.02 | \amethyst | mith: it could be selinux, but I'm not sure where that's configured |
| 16:59.17 | Hid[Laptop] | hi, I have changed a NIC in my debian machine but the new one is appearing as eth2 instead of eth1 (so I have eth0 which hasn't changed and now eth2), how can I fix this? |
| 16:59.36 | mith | \amethyst: haha giving the user write perms to the dir fixes it |
| 16:59.47 | mith | \amethyst: that's fucking weird. |
| 17:00.06 | mith | well mystery solved hooray |
| 17:00.18 | \amethyst | mith: Probably a way for you to have "users" while still permitting some access control |
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| 17:00.57 | mith | \amethyst: ya well the whole point of 'users' is anyone that could type the password should be able to mount it imho but I definitely see the reasoning now that I know wtf was wrong, heh |
| 17:01.00 | roland_ | hello |
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| 17:01.21 | fasta | mith: using dd directly to make an iso is insane. |
| 17:01.25 | roland_ | i dont know why suddenly all my fonts in all aplications look jagged and brushed up with shit |
| 17:01.27 | cydork | Hid[Laptop]: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 17:01.29 | roland_ | whats happening |
| 17:01.31 | mith | fasta: why? |
| 17:01.52 | Hid[Laptop] | ahh, thanks |
| 17:01.57 | delire | syzygyBSD: thank the gods |
| 17:02.00 | mith | fasta: dd if=/dev/yourcddevice of=my.iso bs=4096; done |
| 17:02.01 | roland_ | lol and when i try to maximize a friggin window the window goes well over the screen |
| 17:02.06 | fasta | mith: because no sane user knows by heart what the options to dd needs to be next to if and of |
| 17:02.40 | mith | fasta: i'd argue that anyone using a unix-based system should know how to use dd or man dd |
| 17:02.48 | fasta | mith: that bs=4096, how should a user know that? Or can it also be 8192 |
| 17:02.51 | mith | it's a pretty important tool after all |
| 17:03.17 | mith | fasta: it doesn't matter what it is i've just found that that's a pretty good size for reading cds |
| 17:03.19 | fasta | mith: it should be isodump /dev/hdc done |
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| 17:03.37 | mith | fasta: why? isodump is pretty redundant when you've already got dd |
| 17:03.45 | fasta | mith: it's a special case |
| 17:03.54 | mith | so long as you don't need sub-channel data (and if you're doing anything legal, you don't) dd works fine |
| 17:03.59 | fasta | mith: it's the same reason why one has concat in Haskell. |
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| 17:04.18 | fasta | mith: join [[]] works, but concat [[]] is much more clearer |
| 17:04.32 | fasta | mith: unnecessary abstraction. |
| 17:04.39 | mith | fasta: dd if=/dev/mydevice of=myimage; is pretty clear to me |
| 17:04.48 | fasta | mith: that is clear |
| 17:04.49 | thisiz | kvpnc - i have imported the pcf file but am getting error saying "Loading of module "tun" failed!" |
| 17:04.59 | zinx | mith: you need subchannel data for lead-in calculation |
| 17:05.11 | Hid[Laptop] | is using dd 'better' than doing say cat /dev/hdc > foo.iso ? |
| 17:05.15 | Hid[Laptop] | I've always done it that way |
| 17:05.17 | mith | Hid[Laptop]: yes |
| 17:05.18 | zinx | mith: but that's for audio, and you've got to rip that other ways anyway. |
| 17:05.23 | xingu | correct size for iso image is 512; if 4096 happens to work on a given cd then good luck to you, but linux's block layer will brain itself trying to read the last block if it's not an exact multiple of bs in length |
| 17:05.26 | mith | Hid[Laptop]: but it does the same basic thing |
| 17:05.32 | mith | zinx: exactly :P |
| 17:05.39 | fasta | xingu: thank you for demonstrating my point. |
| 17:05.42 | zinx | MODE1/MODE2Form1 CDs have 2048 byte blocks |
| 17:05.47 | hark | cp /dev/cdrom /path/to/iso |
| 17:05.54 | fasta | mith: it appears you don't know what you are doing either. |
| 17:05.55 | roland_ | i left my computer running debian 4 / xorg 7.1 / fluxbox opened for 11:26 hours and now things are messed up (it was fine before) .. fonts have suddenly fucked up, maximizing window takes part of the application's window well over the friggin screen i cant see it anymore... arghhhh , and firefox crashes a lot.. whats happening ? |
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| 17:06.10 | zinx | it has nothing to do with Linux's block layer.. the block size is a hardware feature |
| 17:06.28 | xingu | zinx: the "wait for godot" feature is all linux's. |
| 17:06.32 | roland_ | i cant stand these fonts anymore, im going to rm -rf / |
| 17:06.40 | shriram | Hi all! I get a lot of 404 errors when I try running apt-get update. Can someone please provide me with a working sources.list? Or can I create one using apt? |
| 17:06.40 | roland_ | i never seen such ugly fonts in my life |
| 17:06.41 | zinx | hard drives have 512 byte blocks, CD/DVDs 2048 (CD not always, but for data nearly always) |
| 17:06.44 | \amethyst | roland_: what fonts? |
| 17:06.45 | mith | it just reads two blocks at a time if you do bs=4096 it doesn't make changes to the data |
| 17:06.51 | \amethyst | roland_: aha |
| 17:06.53 | zinx | mith: aye |
| 17:07.05 | fasta | roland_: fonts can pretty easily be made to look good |
| 17:07.10 | zinx | dd will pad with certain options, but not by default |
| 17:07.16 | mith | fasta: if you'd pay attention other than the comments about the audio cd zinx was agreeing with me not arguing :P |
| 17:07.16 | roland_ | \amethyst : the fonts looked relatively ok before, and now suddenly i got ugly fonts in all apps |
| 17:07.19 | \amethyst | roland_: try restarting the font server invoke-rc.d xfs restart and logging out and back in |
| 17:07.20 | roland_ | why this change ? ??? |
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| 17:07.48 | fasta | mith: oh, ok. |
| 17:07.51 | \amethyst | roland_: Do applications still list all the fonts, or are lots of them missing? |
| 17:08.06 | roland_ | i restarted X with ctrl-alt-backspace and then startx |
| 17:08.09 | roland_ | same fonts |
| 17:08.13 | roland_ | and same window maximization bug |
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| 17:08.33 | shriram | Here's the output of my apt-get update http://rafb.net/p/DbvOsd28.html |
| 17:08.41 | fasta | mith: actually, no. |
| 17:08.56 | hark | roland_: installed any ttf fonts recently? |
| 17:09.00 | mith | fasta: no what? |
| 17:09.06 | fasta | mith: I have seen a few values now, but it's not at all clear how a general purpose iso would look like. |
| 17:09.18 | stew | shriram: please go to #sidux for help with sidux |
| 17:09.19 | fasta | mith: it appears the blocksize is important in some way |
| 17:09.28 | roland_ | i will reboot the friggin pc to see if anything changes, i cant believe how hilarious this is... i never been satifsied with linux or its gui on this computer ever |
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| 17:09.33 | roland_ | maybe the machine sucks a lot i dont know |
| 17:09.39 | fasta | mith: which is kind of odd, since I programmed a system where blocksize only mattered for performance. |
| 17:09.58 | mith | fasta: try it for yourself, any image (that doesn't rely on subchannel data) made with the command I gave will both mount on a loopback device and burn to a cd no problem |
| 17:10.06 | roland_ | but now i've just migrated from slackware cause it sucks for me, and now debian is starting to show its weak points ( i mean in X server and fluxbox packages) after just 1 day |
| 17:10.08 | roland_ | i'll restart the pc |
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| 17:10.17 | fasta | mith: what is subchannel data? |
| 17:10.24 | shriram | stew, i'm not using sidux. I'm running debian. I found the sid sources.list online. My earlier sources.list also returned some 404 errors when i tried updating. |
| 17:10.40 | hark | roland_: check your resolution too |
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| 17:10.44 | stew | shriram: you should not use sidux sources if you are running debian |
| 17:10.45 | mith | fasta: stuff you need for 'emulating' "copy protection" on games and shit and some aspects of audio cds |
| 17:10.59 | roland_ | im running at 1024x768 on a 15" Dell TFT.. always been running at this resolution.. anything wrong? |
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| 17:11.07 | roland_ | no virtual resolution enabled |
| 17:11.08 | shriram | stew, can you please provide me with a sources.list for debian? |
| 17:11.12 | mith | fasta: ie, irrelevent on anything you're reading on a linux box ;P |
| 17:11.15 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 17:11.16 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 17:11.30 | mith | it should have contrib too |
| 17:11.32 | mith | ! |
| 17:11.32 | fasta | mith: I just want _one_ command that works regardless of the kind of thing I throw at it. |
| 17:11.35 | hark | roland_: and no fonts installed recently? |
| 17:11.35 | stew | shriram: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 17:11.50 | mith | fasta: and the one i gave does? isodump doesn't work for audio cds or subchannel data either |
| 17:11.56 | stew | shriram: the 404's youare getting are either sidux or trying to get ppc binaries from http.us but http.us doesn't carry ppc |
| 17:12.09 | roland_ | damn im so angry , i had LOTS of bad days recently with various linux distribution, fedora is too slow , sometimes i can barely type when i start multiple apps, slackware sucks because its unstable, debian starts to show its bugs too.. oh MAN |
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| 17:12.13 | fasta | mith: I don't know, since later you said "except for subchannel data. |
| 17:12.16 | xingu | fasta: then use bs=512 just in case someone throws you a cd that has ufs images in some slices |
| 17:12.21 | roland_ | hark , nothing installed, just what debian installed, i didnt change anything |
| 17:12.23 | shriram | stew, where can Ii get ppc binaries? |
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| 17:12.33 | mith | fasta: and it can be used to make images of harddrives, floppy drives, zip drives, etc so if you really want 'one command to do what you want' then dd is it :P |
| 17:13.07 | fasta | mith: the 512 bs seems a bit arbitrary |
| 17:13.07 | zinx | xingu: 2048 won't hurt on such a CD, and even some weird number like 1531 will only make it transfer slower |
| 17:13.16 | stew | shriram: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 17:13.21 | zinx | it's generally better to use larger block sizes for faster transfers |
| 17:13.25 | xingu | zinx: it will when the linux block layer hits the last block |
| 17:13.26 | roland_ | i have a pretty basic system, just running Xorg / fluxbox / firefox / pidgin |
| 17:13.27 | zinx | something like 2MB wouldn't be out of the question |
| 17:13.31 | zinx | xingu: No it won't. |
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| 17:13.40 | fasta | Let me put it differently: on Windows in Nero one puts in a CD and says Make Copy or similar. |
| 17:13.42 | xingu | zinx: it'll brain itself trying to read past the 512th byte - over, and over, and over again |
| 17:13.43 | zinx | xingu: dd will truncate incomplete blocks |
| 17:13.49 | Arafangion | Something like 16MB would be a tad high, but not even out of the question. |
| 17:13.51 | xingu | zinx: yes but linux readahead *won't* |
| 17:13.52 | fasta | Doing the same on Linux with Gnome gets me a broken DVD. |
| 17:13.58 | xingu | zinx: it'll try and satisfy read(2) |
| 17:13.59 | zinx | xingu: Linux won't try to read past the end of the device. |
| 17:14.01 | zinx | xingu: Linux won't try to read past the end of the device. |
| 17:14.04 | roland_ | i hate this, im going to reboot the pc i hate the pc so much now |
| 17:14.07 | xingu | zinx: no, it'll fail, and retry. |
| 17:14.08 | fasta | Doing the same on Linux with KDE gives me a write error. |
| 17:14.10 | roland_ | im going to kick this pc |
| 17:14.10 | mith | fasta: yes the bs is arbitrary, i use 4096 because the machine i usually do that on (ie, the one with the dvd drive) has it's filesystem in 4k chunks so it writes a little faster (technically bumping it up higher symetrically could be even faster, but then i'd have to remember crazy numbers) |
| 17:14.13 | xingu | zinx: try it and see |
| 17:14.13 | zinx | xingu: No, it won't even try. |
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| 17:14.41 | fasta | So, in my opinion writing a DVD on Linux is severly broken. |
| 17:14.49 | mith | what |
| 17:15.02 | zinx | xingu: i've read past the end when the filesystem had the wrong size, it doesn't try forever. |
| 17:15.03 | fasta | It might work for copying DVD ISO of Linux distributions, but for anything weird it breaks. |
| 17:15.15 | Arafangion | fasta: I find it much easier to write DVD's on Linux than any other OS (Except Mac OS X, of course) |
| 17:15.17 | zinx | xingu: maybe your drive isn't properly reporting its status |
| 17:15.19 | fasta | I am interested in software that Just Works(TM) |
| 17:15.40 | nevaways2k7 | Arafangion: what are you using to burn DVDs? |
| 17:15.43 | fasta | It should never ever waste a DVD. |
| 17:15.46 | Arafangion | fasta: DVD burning on linux is sometimes a little unpolished, though. |
| 17:15.56 | zinx | xingu: and besides that - i don't see why reading past the end by an entire block should be any better. |
| 17:16.06 | fasta | Wasting DVD/CD's is something from the 96's |
| 17:16.08 | mith | fasta: no it doesn't "break" the things that would "break" are things they intentionally want to "break" for copy protection reasons and would "break" on anything you tried to rip them with in windows too (except clonecd and alcohol120 and a few others *specifically made to circumvent this*) |
| 17:16.18 | Arafangion | nevaways2k7: I can't remember, I always have to find out each time :( My burner is on an UBuntu system, though, so it's more automatic. |
| 17:16.22 | zinx | xingu: you should report it as a bug if you're experiencing the problem on your system, so i workaround can be created |
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| 17:16.29 | zinx | xingu: erh, so a |
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| 17:16.43 | fasta | mith: right, so where is the alcohol120 on Linux? |
| 17:16.45 | roland_ | ok |
| 17:16.55 | mith | fasta: who cares stop trying to pirate things you shitbag |
| 17:16.56 | fasta | mith: we have rights to make private backups in my country. |
| 17:17.08 | roland_ | i rebooted and same thing : nightmare fonts / window maximizing BUG |
| 17:17.13 | mith | fasta: you can make the backup, it just wont be recognized by the cd check, this is nothing new |
| 17:17.16 | zinx | xingu: the other issue is that Linux gives up after one failed attempt at reading a block on data CD/DVDs :/ |
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| 17:17.23 | fasta | mith: ? |
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| 17:17.28 | mith | fasta: if you don't like it buy from companies that dont use such technologies |
| 17:17.41 | fasta | mith: as if that's practical |
| 17:17.44 | roland_ | i suspect sometimes termites start feeding on linux xorg fonts |
| 17:17.54 | roland_ | and start eating my screen |
| 17:18.00 | mith | fasta: it will still make a proper readable isofs, the subchannel data used for the copy protection just wont be present ... if you don't like it bitch to the people making the (technically) broken discs |
| 17:18.19 | shriram | stew, do I remove http.us mirrors from my sources.list? |
| 17:18.36 | stew | shriram: sensible-editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:18.40 | roland_ | how could i ever get along with how my system looks at this moment without removing the linux partition ? because basically theres reallyreally nothing i can do |
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| 17:18.50 | fasta | mith: to me, what you are saying is that Linux tools are not suited to copy a CD/DVD bit by bit. |
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| 17:19.17 | roland_ | please help me , my mind is very affected by how my system suddenyl acts and looks |
| 17:19.29 | hark | roland_: screenshot? :) |
| 17:19.29 | mith | fasta: neither are tools in mac os x or anything but windows where people have specifically written this software so that they can *circumvent copy protections* as that is the *only thing it is good for* |
| 17:19.54 | roland_ | hark if u would ssee screenshot u would say it looks normal , but only i can observer how bad the fonts look |
| 17:20.08 | roland_ | and why this ?when maximizing window in fluxboxen the window goes over the screen limit |
| 17:20.19 | mith | fasta: just because gnu/etc stuff is free does NOT mean gnu or any other open source organization endorses you stealing your games. |
| 17:20.19 | fasta | mith: ok, then all those systems are bad, imho. |
| 17:20.21 | roland_ | even after reboot |
| 17:20.27 | roland_ | and btw i dont wanna delete my ~/.fluxbox |
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| 17:20.38 | mith | fasta: and the features you're talking about are only useful for stealing games |
| 17:20.40 | fasta | mith: What makes you think I am "stealing" anything. |
| 17:20.57 | roland_ | going to eat now, if i think about it more i'll freak out and they will send me to lunatics house |
| 17:20.58 | mith | because that's teh only use of the features you're bitching about not being present |
| 17:20.58 | zinx | fasta: cdrdao can copy a disk bit-by-bit |
| 17:20.58 | Candre | hello |
| 17:21.03 | Candre | http://pastebin.com/m509aa0c5 any ideeas ? |
| 17:21.24 | zinx | fasta: most drives aren't particularly reliable at associating subchannel data with the proper sector though |
| 17:21.24 | fasta | zinx: will that get around possible "protections"? |
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| 17:21.35 | zinx | fasta: i dunno, some of them maybe |
| 17:21.35 | \amethyst | fasta: not all, no |
| 17:21.36 | mith | zinx: shhh :P |
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| 17:21.41 | fasta | zinx: ok, so that's what alcohol does too? |
| 17:21.41 | logd | hi - except driver fglrx there's a way to enable tv-out of a ati card (radeon 9250) ? |
| 17:21.50 | \amethyst | fasta: some protections involve putting errors on the CD and looking for the errors |
| 17:21.52 | zinx | fasta: i don't know |
| 17:21.54 | \amethyst | http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20020159591.html |
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| 17:22.01 | roland_ | i really suspect this shit of a PC i have is causing me problems with every linux i run |
| 17:22.04 | mith | zinx: no need to help him steal his games :P |
| 17:22.13 | roland_ | the PC somehow doesnt support linux very well |
| 17:22.21 | fasta | mith: ... |
| 17:22.30 | esters | folks, how can i configure sensible-editor to use for example gvim instead of nano (which afaik is the default) |
| 17:22.36 | Candre | any idees how could i fix this ? ... http://pastebin.com/m509aa0c5 |
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| 17:22.39 | roland_ | windows doesnt run fine either |
| 17:22.51 | roland_ | i dont know what OS to run, so i'll just keep an empty hard drive until i decide |
| 17:22.51 | fasta | mith: what games are there to steal on Linux? |
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| 17:23.04 | abrotman | fasta: loki games |
| 17:23.05 | \amethyst | esters: system-wide, or for a particular user? |
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| 17:23.13 | zinx | fasta: there are several, actually. but none of them have any sort of copy protection. |
| 17:23.14 | mith | fasta: what cds of use on linux need to be ripped with subchannel data in tact? |
| 17:23.14 | stew | esters: set the EDITOR environment variable |
| 17:23.17 | fasta | abrotman: and they don't include copy-protections, AFAIK. |
| 17:23.23 | mith | fasta: the answer to both is "nothing worth fucking with" |
| 17:23.25 | mith | :P |
| 17:23.29 | abrotman | they may not .. but you can still steal them |
| 17:23.30 | esters | stew: export EDITOR=/usr/bin/gvim ? |
| 17:23.44 | esters | \amethyst: yes, system wide |
| 17:23.49 | stew | esters: yes. you are going to want to only set that when X is actually running, so perhaps from your .xsession |
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| 17:24.02 | fasta | mith: the cd's are of use on a Windows system. |
| 17:24.04 | mith | esters: update-alternatives --config editor |
| 17:24.12 | \amethyst | esters: To set it system-wide, do what mith said |
| 17:24.29 | fasta | mith: and since the only DVD writer we have is on a Linux system... |
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| 17:24.46 | mith | fasta: you don't have to read things in the same place you'll be writing them ... |
| 17:24.56 | fasta | mith: ? |
| 17:25.04 | mith | fasta: and literally the only thing you need to worry about this on is video game discs |
| 17:25.12 | \amethyst | stew: gvim will start (with a warning) in terminal mode if there is no DISPLAY |
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| 17:25.18 | stew | \amethyst: ahh ok |
| 17:25.36 | fasta | mith: this particular application is not a video game disc |
| 17:25.43 | fasta | mith: you are talking shit. |
| 17:25.50 | mith | fasta: you could rip the image on a windows machine (and alcohol/etc work better than cdrdao anyways) then burn where the burner is |
| 17:26.10 | fasta | mith: and don't you think that is like not a very fast procedure? |
| 17:26.14 | mith | fasta: what disc are you trying to rip that needs the subchannel data and isn't a video game disc? I mean stuff like office/maya/photoshop don't need it |
| 17:26.40 | mith | fasta: a dvd image takes <5 minutes to transfer over 100mbit so, no i dont think that's slow at all |
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| 17:27.10 | unsolo | anyone here who can help me with my isp style postfix + mysql + courier setup |
| 17:27.17 | unsolo | it broke after etch upgrade |
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| 17:27.33 | stew | unsolo: ask a more specific question |
| 17:28.07 | unsolo | for some reason my mail users cannot login any more |
| 17:28.20 | unsolo | seems to fail with authentication or mysql |
| 17:28.30 | unsolo | cant pinpoint oit properly |
| 17:28.49 | fasta | mith: anyway, we could be arguing all day. The conclusion is that I cannot make backups of DVD's for use on Windows. |
| 17:28.59 | stew | unsolo: but "DEBUG_LOGIN=1" into your /etc/courier/imapd or /etc/courier/pop3d and restart courier, then watch /var/log/mail.log for details |
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| 17:29.44 | mith | fasta: you can so long as you aren't trying to "backup" video games |
| 17:30.27 | stew | unsolo: which courier-auth* packages do you have installed? |
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| 17:30.35 | mith | fasta: how do you not understand that (and technically cdrdao can do that but like zinx said it's drive dependant as to how well it works ... the reason alcohol/etc on windows do it better is they account for these per-device defects) |
| 17:30.40 | unsolo | courier-authdaemon |
| 17:30.54 | stew | unsolo: what are you authenticating against? |
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| 17:31.11 | unsolo | mysql |
| 17:31.22 | unsolo | http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 17:31.26 | esters | thanks mith |
| 17:31.30 | stew | unsolo: then you'd need to also have courier-authlib-mysql installed |
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| 17:32.06 | unsolo | stew: new package ? |
| 17:32.12 | unsolo | did not need that in sarge |
| 17:32.19 | Flakk | !msg dpkg epson scanner |
| 17:32.20 | stew | unsolo: no, it was called something different in sarge |
| 17:32.31 | stew | couier-authmysql iirc |
| 17:32.53 | xingu | zinx: http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/6/9/36 <-- this is what I was referring to. |
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| 17:33.37 | unsolo | do i have to change some other configs for it ?= |
| 17:33.38 | xingu | zinx: happens on perfectly normal images that happen to have 512byte blocks and unreadable crap beyond beyond the last one. |
| 17:34.01 | unsolo | doesnt look that way |
| 17:34.07 | unsolo | thanks a lot stew |
| 17:34.12 | stew | unsolo: you're welcome |
| 17:34.17 | unsolo | now i can contiune my vacation |
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| 17:35.56 | xingu | zinx: fortunately the patch has long since been merged; so time for me to retest my test case and unlearn that experience |
| 17:36.04 | unsolo | darn seems to be more wrong |
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| 17:37.55 | unsolo | now i cant send mail |
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| 17:38.10 | helo | what is this line in dmesg from: PM: Writing back config space on device 0000:01:02.0 at offset b (was 164714e4, writing cb0e11) |
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| 17:38.39 | shriram | I was trying to install exim on Debian, I got this error.relocation error: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_out_of_memory, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld.so.1 with link time reference. Now i'm unable to run any command. Not even ls. Only internal commands like cd work. |
| 17:38.55 | shriram | Can someone please help? |
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| 17:41.38 | skyde | hello |
| 17:42.03 | skyde | some one know how to setup zone transfer between a master zone and a slave sone using bind9 |
| 17:42.10 | unsolo | stew: any hints as to where to go as the webmail works but i cant send mail |
| 17:42.12 | syzygyBSD | shriram: did your hard drive just die? |
| 17:42.13 | xand | #bind? |
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| 17:42.21 | syzygyBSD | try "echo *" |
| 17:42.23 | stew | unsolo: do you get an error in /var/log/mail.log? |
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| 17:42.54 | shriram | syzygyBSD, not sure :/ |
| 17:43.07 | shriram | i'm able to change into any directory |
| 17:43.14 | syzygyBSD | shriram: try "echo *" |
| 17:43.30 | syzygyBSD | should give you all the files in your current dir |
| 17:43.36 | shriram | syzygyBSD, it works |
| 17:43.59 | syzygyBSD | did you setup a swap partition? |
| 17:44.07 | unsolo | stew: im looking |
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| 17:44.20 | shriram | syzygyBSD, not sure. i didn't setup the machine :/ |
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| 17:46.11 | jelly | shriram: you'll probably need to boot of a CD and reinstall libc6 package |
| 17:46.21 | alt_nick | G'day. I'm trying to get a bunch of dells to shutdown while still listening for WOL packets. Power-button works, shutdown -h (-P) now turns off the NIC. Ideas? |
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| 17:47.36 | jelly | alt_nick: does ethtool show that WOL is enabled? |
| 17:48.08 | unsolo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.13 | alt_nick | jelly: It can't get the config from the internal NICs. |
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| 17:48.31 | unsolo | stew: any ideas |
| 17:48.41 | alt_nick | Operation not supported and whatnot. |
| 17:49.19 | stew | unsolo: sorry, dunno |
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| 17:49.44 | FuzzyB | can anyone point me to some good docs on setting up my own local repo for doing net installs? |
| 17:49.56 | nyoro | Anyone have any idea why 1 drive in my software raid is resetting several time before coming online at boot? |
| 17:50.11 | FuzzyB | it's dying |
| 17:50.19 | nyoro | Seems to have cooinded with an apt-get upgrade |
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| 17:51.05 | nyoro | FuzzyB: damn im unlucky then, the drive is like 1 month old :-( |
| 17:51.09 | unsolo | stew: seems it stops both in and outgoing emails |
| 17:51.09 | jelly | nyoro: bad cables, or bad driver (unlikely but possible), bad power supply, or yes, a dying drive |
| 17:51.57 | stew | unsolo: is postfix-mysql installed? |
| 17:52.04 | nyoro | the machine have been running for about a month and noone touching it so probably not cables |
| 17:52.38 | FuzzyB | nyoro, just rma it |
| 17:52.55 | unsolo | stew: yea |
| 17:52.55 | FuzzyB | well reseat the cables first like stew said |
| 17:53.06 | nyoro | FuzzyB: WEll in my situation i cant get acces to the machine for another ½ months unfortunately. |
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| 17:53.11 | jelly | nyoro: try running SMART tests with smartctl |
| 17:53.15 | nyoro | 1½ |
| 17:53.29 | nyoro | jelly smart isnt enable in the bios apparently |
| 17:53.37 | FuzzyB | are they scsi drives? |
| 17:53.38 | fasta | mith: for the millionth time this is not for "video games". |
| 17:53.39 | unsolo | stew: its only postfix that handles in and outgoing mails + mailboxes right |
| 17:53.43 | jelly | nyoro: that shouldn't matter |
| 17:53.57 | jelly | nyoro: you can enable it with smartctl too |
| 17:54.04 | nyoro | my problem is this is the first machine to die on me in a week: my spam filter, my backup0 spamfilter and now this where im trying to rebuild it :-( |
| 17:54.09 | stew | unsolo: yes |
| 17:54.15 | nyoro | jelly: oh i see |
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| 17:54.52 | unsolo | strange |
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| 17:55.34 | fasta | mith: and how I not understand that? Simple: I have not studied all protection protocols, all DVD drivers and related technology. |
| 17:55.45 | fasta | mith: I have better things to do with my time. |
| 17:55.46 | _kaiser_ | in what file can I change the PATH variable globally? |
| 17:55.53 | fasta | mith: far more advanced than _you_ can imagine. |
| 17:56.51 | fasta | mith: So, I am not a 15 year old gamer who wants to play the game du jour. |
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| 17:59.12 | _kaiser_ | Anyone which file I can set the global default PATH environment variable? |
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| 17:59.43 | stew | _kaiser_: /etc/profile |
| 18:00.07 | karsten | _kaiser_: or /etc/environment, in some cases, but what stew said. |
| 18:00.33 | karsten | Hrm. What *is* the story with /etc/environment? Sometimes I see it, sometimes I don't. |
| 18:01.02 | _kaiser_ | stew, karsten: thank you, will try that. |
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| 18:01.40 | peter_ | damn it so hot |
| 18:01.44 | FuzzyB | it's raining here |
| 18:02.13 | _kaiser_ | is the su PATH set somewhere else? |
| 18:02.22 | karsten | peter_: Linux v3 will have /dev/ice for all your cooling needs. |
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| 18:02.49 | peter_ | =] |
| 18:02.51 | sandman | Can anyone think of a reason why my Load Average is usually at 100%? |
| 18:02.58 | sandman | Just too many programs running at once? |
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| 18:03.11 | _kaiser_ | sandman: did you look at top to see what is going on/ |
| 18:03.13 | karsten | _kaiser_: Depends on how you invoke su. With '-' you get the environment of the user you're su'ing to, w/out it you get the invoking user's environment. |
| 18:03.13 | _kaiser_ | ? |
| 18:03.20 | sandman | My CPU utilization is rarely at 100%, memory util is at 25%, none of my swap is being used, and disk util is at about 50% |
| 18:03.21 | karsten | sandman: 100% != load average. |
| 18:03.24 | sandman | But Load is at 100% |
| 18:03.25 | mith | fasta: so if it's not for video games what is it for is what I was asking, because there isn't anything else that needs it. |
| 18:03.26 | peter_ | FuzzyB, 28^C here |
| 18:03.27 | path_ | sandman are you running ifplugd ? |
| 18:03.31 | karsten | sandman: man top |
| 18:03.42 | sandman | path_: Not sure, I'm not familiar. Let me check |
| 18:03.56 | sandman | path_: Nope, not running ifplugd. |
| 18:04.02 | sandman | karsten: I'm familiar with top |
| 18:04.06 | path_ | uhm |
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| 18:04.27 | _kaiser_ | karsten: thank you.... just seems weird that just "su" and my normal user can find "ldconfig" but once I have su'd to root, can't find "ldconfig" |
| 18:04.27 | path_ | I had some issues relating to ifplugd thats why I pointed out |
| 18:04.32 | path_ | related* |
| 18:04.43 | karsten | sandman: Then post some process output. You're in a much better position to tell what's going on than we are. /msg dpkg paster |
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| 18:04.52 | sandman | And wow, iceweasel has a massive memory leak. The window is sitting blank, I'm haven't actually opened a webpage, and its using 107.1 MB memory |
| 18:05.01 | sandman | I wonder if that's why |
| 18:05.10 | aventis | hello |
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| 18:05.27 | sandman | I closed and re-opened iceweasel, and load went down to 50% |
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| 18:06.04 | sandman | Has anybody else seen this with iceweasel? |
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| 18:06.08 | aventis | i want to install kde on debian etch, can i install it from dvd 1 without installing gnome? |
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| 18:06.14 | path_ | sandman try to kill xorg and then see what happens |
| 18:06.24 | karsten | !tell aventis about install kde |
| 18:06.34 | path_ | in order to figure out whats the problem |
| 18:06.45 | karsten | sandman: path_: Um, that *will* kill his X session, note. |
| 18:06.54 | sandman | path_: I will when I can, I'm actually working on some stuff. |
| 18:06.59 | sandman | path_: I'll let you know what it does. |
| 18:07.03 | xand | aventis: yes |
| 18:07.07 | peter_ | aventis, gnome is default window menager for etch, you can install kde and remove gnome ;) |
| 18:07.14 | karsten | aventis: In general, use a netinst if possible, then install the packages you want via network. What's your debian experience? |
| 18:07.18 | karsten | !tell aventis about installit |
| 18:07.25 | path_ | karsten could be a buggy video driver |
| 18:07.25 | karsten | !tell aventis about netinst |
| 18:07.40 | blackbart | How can I specify an http proxy to apt-get? flashplugin-nonfree is failing to install because my firewall is blocking the macromedia site. |
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| 18:07.40 | sandman | path_: Well, I am using the non-free nvidia drivers. |
| 18:07.53 | karsten | path_: Point, but if you're going to tell someone to kill xorg, note that that will nuke their X11 session. |
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| 18:08.11 | sandman | Additionally, I'm using GDM, and so if I kill X, it'll just get respawned. |
| 18:08.15 | karsten | path_: Otherwise they may be somewhat surprised. |
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| 18:08.25 | path_ | you're right karsten |
| 18:08.32 | karsten | sandman: That's sufficient to see if the current session's somehow wedged. |
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| 18:08.46 | karsten | sandman: However: /etc/init.d/gdm stop will kill it good. |
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| 18:08.54 | tnks | Is it possible for root to programmatically change a password for a user using a crypt-salted password? |
| 18:08.56 | aventis | i have 3 dvds, can`t do net install as im on dial up, and i am a kde person, so i would prefer kde |
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| 18:09.03 | sandman | karsten: Yes indeed it will. |
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| 18:09.24 | aventis | i tried installing from etch kde cd but it was giving me errors, |
| 18:09.29 | karsten | aventis: KDE should be on somewhere well within the first three disks. |
| 18:09.29 | tnks | I know useradd supports making an account with a crypt-salted password, but not sure about changing a password already created. |
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| 18:09.47 | karsten | aventis: Any _particular_ errors? |
| 18:09.48 | skyde | some one know how to setup zone transfer between a master zone and a slave sone using bind9 |
| 18:09.51 | tarzeau | how to get the \sun symbol into gnuplot? |
| 18:09.57 | tnks | I'm just trying to avoid expect-type scripts for automation. |
| 18:09.58 | karsten | tnks: man passwd |
| 18:10.20 | tnks | karsten: passwd can be made non-interactive? |
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| 18:10.23 | aventis | wont initiate kppp saying something about can not communicate with x server |
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| 18:10.34 | valdyn | tnks: man usermod |
| 18:11.33 | tnks | valdyn: thanks a lot. |
| 18:11.38 | karsten | tnks: There's a utility which allows you to update passwords from a pre-created crypt() generated list, trying to find it. |
| 18:11.41 | valdyn | aventis: you are reinstalling because kppp threw an error? |
| 18:11.49 | aventis | if i install etch with gnome and laters install kde core via synaptic from dvd , this will work ? |
| 18:11.53 | mith | karsten: usermod |
| 18:11.56 | sandman | Could disk fragmentation contribute to load when the disk is being heavily used? |
| 18:12.06 | karsten | mith: Danke. |
| 18:12.15 | valdyn | sandman: yes |
| 18:12.16 | sandman | My filesystem is usually about 95% filled |
| 18:12.21 | karsten | sandman: man dumpe2fs, iostat, vmstat |
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| 18:12.33 | valdyn | sandman: that's bad ( depending on total size though ) |
| 18:12.35 | mith | sandman: yes, but any decent filesystem wont fragment enough to cause a noticable hit |
| 18:12.44 | valdyn | umm |
| 18:12.46 | mith | oh 95% full? extend the volume |
| 18:12.53 | sandman | valdyn: 30G |
| 18:12.55 | karsten | sandman: I'm not sure if dumpe2fs returns fragmentation percentage. If you're out of luck, it doesn't. 5% is pretty pessimal for keeping fragmentation down. |
| 18:13.11 | karsten | sandman: fsck will tell you. |
| 18:13.29 | abrotman | why hath debian forsaken me! |
| 18:14.02 | valdyn | sandman: its not simple enough for me to tell you what will happen exactly - generally: the more full and the bigger hte files you write to it, the worse it will fragment |
| 18:14.02 | sandman | Hm, odd. I have the manpage for dumpe2fs, but not the actual binary. |
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| 18:14.19 | sandman | valdyn: Aye. |
| 18:14.33 | aventis | karsten: thanks |
| 18:14.52 | sandman | Whoever came up with the idea for apt-file must be some sort of genius. I'd buy him/her a beer if they were around. |
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| 18:15.50 | valdyn | ext3 still doesnt support online defrag i suppose? |
| 18:15.59 | abrotman | should it ? |
| 18:16.03 | sandman | Sure, why not. |
| 18:16.07 | Doat | i can't build fglrx kernel module. module-assistant gives some errors in drm_proc.h and firegl_public.h. building the module worked before but not since i installed a newer kernel. what could be wrong? |
| 18:16.08 | abrotman | !defrag |
| 18:16.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, defrag is generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html, or a respawn in a multiplayer game |
| 18:16.22 | sandman | Is it okay to use dumpe2fs on a filesystem which is in use? |
| 18:16.33 | valdyn | abrotman: that's not true unless people follow some precautions |
| 18:16.36 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.37 | pumpkin0 | sandman: if it's mounted read only |
| 18:16.40 | mith | Doat: did you see if there's a newer version of the driver to accomodate the newer kernel? |
| 18:16.45 | sandman | pumpkin0: How about if it's not? |
| 18:16.50 | karsten | sandman: ^^ |
| 18:17.04 | pumpkin0 | sandman: the outcome is more random ... |
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| 18:17.20 | Doat | mith: i'll check. although the driver should be quite new |
| 18:17.40 | sandman | Well, I think I'll just pass on dumpe2fs for now. I think what was mentioned earlier is true regarding sizes of files being written and space left on the filesystem. |
| 18:17.59 | sandman | I'm sure that's where most the load % of coming from on my system, simply running on very little free space. |
| 18:18.09 | sandman | While doing a lot of writing. |
| 18:18.10 | Doat | mith: yes. i have the newest version |
| 18:18.11 | valdyn | sandman: it still might not be fragmented enough to seriously affect it |
| 18:18.34 | pumpkin0 | sandman: did you ever check the fragmentation status ? |
| 18:18.37 | aventis | karsten: dial up install ? |
| 18:18.46 | sandman | pumpkin0: Using dumpe2fs? |
| 18:18.48 | abrotman | valdyn: like not intentionally messing it up :) |
| 18:18.59 | karsten | aventis: Sorry? |
| 18:19.20 | mith | Doat: don't know then |
| 18:19.23 | pumpkin0 | sandman: by rebooting and running a forced fsck (the output notes the frag-status) |
| 18:19.23 | aventis | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.29 | karsten | aventis: If you're suggesting they're not possible, I've done them many times. Just get used to overnight updates. |
| 18:19.37 | sandman | pumpkin0: I can't yet |
| 18:19.41 | sandman | pumpkin0: Working on some stuff. |
| 18:19.49 | aventis | was reading these in pms from dpkg |
| 18:19.50 | abrotman | aventis: are you on broadband ? |
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| 18:20.17 | aventis | abrotman: no sir, dial up |
| 18:20.19 | pumpkin0 | sandman: if you have enough space and don't mind a non-perfect copy: use dd to make a 1:1 image and fsck that one. |
| 18:20.22 | abrotman | !dial up install |
| 18:20.26 | abrotman | !dialup install |
| 18:20.26 | dpkg | from memory, dialup install is 64kbps are 650MB per day, or ~1.2GB installed size, maybe more than you will ever have installed at once. You will wait few hours for the install to complete, but shuffling those 5290280948 CDs testing has now will probably take even longer, and can't be run unattended. The 1st binary CD is more than you need. See netinst. |
| 18:20.34 | karsten | sandman: if iostat shows high iowait, and swapping, yes, that could be your issue. |
| 18:20.43 | sandman | I'd like to say, though, so those in this channel: I've used BSD, Gentoo, RH, Mandrake, Ubuntu, Windows, and many other operating systems and I must say that Debian is hands down the absolute best operating system and collection of software I have ever used. |
| 18:20.53 | pumpkin0 | sandman: fsck will find plenty of problems, but the frag-status should be about richt. |
| 18:21.04 | sandman | pumpkin0: I will do that upon next reboot. |
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| 18:21.24 | abrotman | aventis: basically that's saying that if you just use the CD1 .. that should be a lot of packages .. oyu'll of coruse ahve to get some over dialup |
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| 18:21.30 | logd | hi some1 can help me setting tvout ? |
| 18:21.37 | karsten | !tell logd about ask |
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| 18:21.55 | valdyn | !tell logd -about ask |
| 18:21.59 | valdyn | ops |
| 18:22.09 | aventis | i like debian, but with minimal kde, i can`t handle lots o kde or gnome, and i wonder how can it be done |
| 18:22.19 | karsten | valdyn: Now you don't have to go calling ops on him just for asking to ask ;-) |
| 18:22.20 | logd | ok - hi some1 can help me setting tvout - card is radeon 9250 os. deban 4 driver "radeon" |
| 18:22.28 | nmmachado | oi |
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| 18:22.35 | karsten | aventis: You can install any (or no) windowmanager / desktop you want. |
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| 18:22.42 | karsten | aventis: I run WindowMaker FWIW. |
| 18:22.43 | aventis | i only need around 15 working programs , that`s it |
| 18:22.47 | pumpkin0 | logd: check the atitvout-tool |
| 18:22.52 | sandman | And not only that, but Debian is ported to so many architectures, and it's Stable branch is very applicable for business purposes. I am more than pleased with it, and as a result I'd like to contribute. Is there some sort of mentoring program for new aspiring developers or anything of that nature? |
| 18:22.55 | karsten | !start a windowmanager war |
| 18:23.01 | sandman | I'm a man, and I noticed that there is http://women.debian.org/mentoring/ |
| 18:23.09 | karsten | !start a windowm anager war |
| 18:23.10 | sandman | Is there anything like that for a man? :) |
| 18:23.17 | karsten | !shoot me. |
| 18:23.19 | valdyn | aventis: you can install what you want. There's no unnecessary limitations |
| 18:23.20 | Kjikaqawej | sandman: yeh, debian-mentors is their mailing list |
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| 18:23.34 | sandman | Is there anyone here who I may speak to? |
| 18:23.42 | sandman | I want to help. |
| 18:23.49 | Kjikaqawej | sandman: not the url's you just pasted, just in general |
| 18:24.08 | aventis | valdyn: can i even make it kde-lite, just basic tools, not much ? |
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| 18:24.22 | Kjikaqawej | sandman: sub to the list ;) |
| 18:24.26 | valdyn | aventis: yes, to some extent |
| 18:24.29 | sandman | Kjikaqawej: Rightio. |
| 18:24.32 | pumpkin0 | aventis: xfce ? |
| 18:24.35 | karsten | sandman: the rest of the universe. |
| 18:24.39 | Doat | the fglrx installation script fails to build the kernel module, here's the error log http://paste.lisp.org/display/44751 |
| 18:24.51 | valdyn | aventis: however kde has a not that tiny base common to all kde programs. Cant get around installing that. |
| 18:25.14 | skyde | sone one please help me |
| 18:25.18 | skyde | rndc: 'reload' failed: dynamic zone |
| 18:25.20 | karsten | !tell skyde about ask |
| 18:25.25 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 18:25.26 | dpkg | mentors is, like, Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 18:25.26 | valdyn | aventis: now im not sure why you are concerning yourself with that at all.. is your harddisk like smaller than 5G ? |
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| 18:25.36 | aventis | i will try getting kde core and the tools i need, lets see if i can manage that |
| 18:25.40 | valdyn | aventis: or is it just downloads? |
| 18:25.45 | valdyn | !install kde |
| 18:25.45 | dpkg | i guess install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 18:25.46 | logd | pumpkin0>did atitvout detect and it says : crt is active - tv on s-video is active but tv screen's black |
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| 18:26.21 | karsten | skyde: http://langfeldt.net/DNS-HOWTO/BIND-9/ |
| 18:26.27 | valdyn | aventis: that gives roughtly: 'aptitude install xorg kdebase', that's still much for dialup i guess |
| 18:26.37 | pumpkin0 | logd: was the TV connected at startup ? |
| 18:26.37 | karsten | skyde: http://langfeldt.net/DNS-HOWTO/BIND-9/DNS-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.1 |
| 18:26.45 | skyde | tanks |
| 18:26.58 | karsten | skyde: Panzers or Abrams? |
| 18:27.07 | nyoro | is there an easy way to see which kernel package i have installed? |
| 18:27.13 | karsten | nyoro: man dpkg |
| 18:27.14 | logd | yes and up to initrd on the tv screen i see linux loading but once initrd begins tv turns black |
| 18:27.19 | aventis | valdyn: space is not a problem, but yes packages and downloads is a problem plus i dont need all things, just kopete,kget, konqueror, ktorrent, pidgin, gftp, opera, and few other tools and tux games |
| 18:27.20 | sandman | I do have a general question, though. Why is it that Windows XP crashes on my system regularly, even with the most up-to-date software. I have spent plenty of money on these solutions, and yet I always just sort of accepted that it was the nature of the computing world. But now that I've gotten into Debian, I find that my system resisted crashing/freezing, seems to run quite a bit faster, and has a lot more functionality. |
| 18:27.38 | Doat | nyoro: uname -r tells your current kernel version |
| 18:27.48 | karsten | sandman: OT. |
| 18:27.50 | sandman | And yet, its created by volunteers. It strikes me as a serious failure in modern economics that volunteers can outperform a multi-trillion dollar industry. |
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| 18:27.57 | sandman | karsten: Okay, I digree. |
| 18:28.01 | sandman | digress, rather. |
| 18:28.05 | pumpkin0 | logd: you tried pal and ntsc ? |
| 18:28.10 | nyoro | Doat i want to know the name of the package not teh kernel version.. im trying to find out which package name it is. |
| 18:28.23 | skyde | <karsten} i already try that |
| 18:28.27 | valdyn | sandman: yet its common, with or w/o free software |
| 18:28.37 | rahul | sandman: crap is crap |
| 18:28.42 | logd | yes btw my tv is pal |
| 18:28.47 | rahul | you can pay as little or as much for crap or not crap as you want. |
| 18:28.54 | sandman | Is there an official debian-ot channel? |
| 18:28.56 | pumpkin0 | logd: "atitvout auto" ? |
| 18:29.02 | rahul | it's #debian-offtopic |
| 18:29.06 | logd | done too |
| 18:29.08 | Doat | nyoro: linux-image-<version> is the package |
| 18:29.09 | karsten | sandman: In general: crashes are either bad software, bad drivers, or bad hardware. Depending on what's crashing, you may lose more or less of your system. If you're crashing on the same system with both Linux *and* windows, suspect hardware (generally memory, disk, and/or CPU/mobo in about that order). Windows's reputation covers for a lot of crap HW, though that's changing. |
| 18:29.15 | Kjikaqawej | not official, but #debian-offtopic |
| 18:29.17 | logd | and also tried atitvout pal t |
| 18:29.22 | sandman | Okay, I'd like to continue this discussion. I'm in #d-ot now. |
| 18:29.31 | karsten | skyde: You're going to want to find a copy of the Cricket book (DNS & BIND, O'Reilly). |
| 18:29.42 | sandman | karsten: Oh, trust me: My hardware is junk. But Debian runs stable on it anyway. |
| 18:29.43 | nyoro | Doat ok thanks thats what i needed to know.. im trying to downgrade to my previous kernel as this one seems to cause me troubles. |
| 18:29.49 | yoshio | nyoro: dpkg -l |grep image |
| 18:29.51 | rahul | sandman: all I have to add is that there's a lot of buggy shit that's free software, for which excellent commercial alternatives exist. |
| 18:29.55 | logd | i guess if somethi's wrong with output resolution or whatever but tried to change main display res. but nothing changed |
| 18:30.05 | karsten | sandman: There's junk, and broken junk. There's a world of difference ;-) |
| 18:30.10 | valdyn | nyoro: that's not a downgrade iun the debian package sense, just install the other kernel |
| 18:30.24 | aventis | once kde is installed can i remove gnome altogether? |
| 18:30.35 | valdyn | nyoro: or _pick_ the other in grub if both are still installed |
| 18:30.36 | stew | aventis: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
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| 18:30.58 | nyoro | valdyn good point which i was too tired to realize |
| 18:31.02 | raqamy | how to change the editor in my shell env? |
| 18:31.24 | stew | raqamy: 'export EDITOR=/usr/bin/myfavoriteeditor' |
| 18:31.34 | raqamy | stew thanks man |
| 18:31.48 | karsten | raqamy: export EDITOR=<value>; export VISUAL=$EDITOR; update-alternatives --config editor |
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| 18:32.12 | karsten | raqamy: Some programs (few these days) use $VISUAL for the visual (full-screen) editor). |
| 18:32.14 | Doat | so can anyone help me with building fglrx kernel module? here's the error log http://paste.lisp.org/display/44751 |
| 18:32.34 | aventis | thanks everybody |
| 18:32.37 | pumpkin0 | Doat: where did you get that script from ? www.ati.com or apt-get ? |
| 18:32.42 | dashs | Any fix for iceweasel locking up on mlb.com or any x.mlb.com ? |
| 18:32.48 | raqamy | karsten, thanks :) |
| 18:32.51 | aventis | i will give a try installing kde on etch now |
| 18:32.51 | Doat | pumpkin0: www.ati.com |
| 18:32.52 | karsten | dashs: Use a different browser ;-) |
| 18:33.10 | aventis | karsten : thanks |
| 18:33.16 | stew | dashs: do you have flash installed? |
| 18:33.17 | Doat | pumpkin0: is it in apt-get too? |
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| 18:33.41 | dashs | karsten: yes. any probs installing firefox over it? |
| 18:33.49 | pumpkin0 | Doat: OK... the www.ati.com package usually kills debian installs (if the script "works"). There is a debian-style package (no need to compile, all-in-one-go) in aptitude/apt-get. |
| 18:34.02 | dashs | stew: of course |
| 18:34.10 | Doat | pumpkin0: what's the package name? |
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| 18:34.36 | nyoro | Doat: hmm shouldnt there be several vmlinuz files in /boot? |
| 18:34.47 | stew | dashs: flash is most likely what is causing it to crash. all i can tell you is that my wife is an mlb junky and is having no problems with the latest flash installed |
| 18:35.10 | Doat | nyoro: at least i have |
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| 18:35.50 | karsten | dashs: I run konqueror (KDE browser) myself as default. |
| 18:36.06 | dashs | stew: I'm trying to stay within the yellow lines. I'm using latest debian installable flash, I think. |
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| 18:36.25 | chance2105 | What is a good, non-blocking C/C++ library for making HTTP requests and parsing the results (cookies)? |
| 18:36.28 | stew | dashs: what does "latest debian installable flash" mean? |
| 18:36.35 | pumpkin0 | Doat: guess. starts with fglrx. (fire up aptitude and search for fglrx. There are several, you want all but the xxxxx-dev one.) |
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| 18:36.58 | nyoro | Doat: hmm i guess i havent upgraded the kernel then was pretty sure it went by in apt-get upgrade.. but the only vmlinuz dates back some time... so i guess im seeing things, time to go to bed :-D |
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| 18:37.08 | dashs | stew: good question. I just followed Google to some site. |
| 18:37.19 | Doat | nyoro: hehe |
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| 18:37.50 | BeetlePC | Hello, can someone help me to solve a pppd issue? |
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| 18:38.28 | pumpkin0 | what is the "best" fileserver protocol for a low-low end system? sshfs (can i switch off the encrypting?), NFS or samba? Debian-only network, no access from the outside, 1-2 clients, 100Mbit Ethernet. |
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| 18:39.05 | Doat | pumpkin0: should fglrx-kernel be a prebuilt module? aptitude won't let me mark it |
| 18:40.04 | pumpkin0 | Doat: if you want dri (fast 3D) then you need the -kernel-src one. |
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| 18:40.11 | BeetlePC | i managed to modify /etc/wvdial.conf to let my Debian 3.1 based Linux Box dial in to the provider |
| 18:40.37 | BeetlePC | i get IP addresses assigned |
| 18:40.50 | valdyn | Doat: there's prebuild ones, maybe also for your current kernel, mabe not. |
| 18:40.56 | BeetlePC | but then the screen output stops |
| 18:42.19 | kevinl-- | is it possible to run a program as a non-root user from a shell script that is running as root? |
| 18:42.29 | kevinl-- | runas (user) (app) |
| 18:42.30 | Doat | pumpkin0: the fglrx-kenrel-src in the repositories fails to build as well. it's a bit older version |
| 18:42.37 | kevinl-- | like apache does, except from the command line |
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| 18:42.56 | pumpkin0 | Doat: what kernel do you have, what ati-card do you have ? |
| 18:43.26 | Doat | pumpkin0: 2.6.21-2-k7 and radeon 9800 pro |
| 18:43.27 | pumpkin0 | kevinl--: su <user> -c <command> |
| 18:43.33 | kevinl-- | thx |
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| 18:44.10 | pumpkin0 | Doat: etch or lenny ? |
| 18:44.16 | Doat | pumpkin0: lenny |
| 18:44.37 | valdyn | !fglrx 2.6.21 |
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| 18:45.05 | valdyn | Doat: use an older kernel or a newer kernel |
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| 18:45.34 | pumpkin0 | Doat: or go 2D only. |
| 18:45.49 | Doat | i'm not sure if it's the kernel version. i also wasn't able to build some module for vmplayer |
| 18:46.01 | valdyn | Doat: I am though |
| 18:46.17 | Doat | :( |
| 18:46.20 | pumpkin0 | Doat: did you get the kernel the way or is that one from kernel.org ? |
| 18:46.39 | Doat | pumpkin0: i just installed a new one with aptitude |
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| 18:48.22 | Doat | well i'll boot with an older kernel -> |
| 18:48.23 | valdyn | dpkg: fglrx 2.6.21 is <reply>Fglrx does not compile against 2.6.21 kernels with CONFIG_PARAVIRT enabled. Compile your own or use a different kernel. |
| 18:48.23 | dpkg | okay, valdyn |
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| 18:48.58 | Doat | valdyn: ok |
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| 18:49.44 | some_dude | the format for a XP printer in cups is smb://username:password@computer/printer yes ? |
| 18:50.02 | foo | Hm, what would you guys go: debian x86, or debian x64 for 64bit? |
| 18:50.24 | some_dude | I would say 64 depending on how much memory you have |
| 18:50.45 | stew | foo: what are you planning to use the machine for? |
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| 18:50.52 | Kjikaqawej | there's some apps that don't do 64b yet though. might want to consider that |
| 18:50.58 | pumpkin0 | foo: how much RAM do you have ? |
| 18:51.25 | some_dude | If you have less than 4gigs, I'm voting 32. if you have over 4 I'll vote 64 |
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| 18:52.33 | Kjikaqawej | and you could always have a 32 b chroot for those apps if you do have over 4 GB RAM |
| 18:53.14 | foo | pumpkin0: 2GB now |
| 18:53.18 | pumpkin0 | 3GB, not 4GB. The real problem starts with the PCI-Bus addresses from 3GB to 3.5GB. |
| 18:53.20 | foo | I don't plan on having over 4GB of RAM |
| 18:53.22 | pumpkin0 | foo: 32. |
| 18:53.33 | foo | Hm, okay... so, the rule of thumb: More than 4GB of RAM, go 64? |
| 18:53.36 | foo | Otherwise, stay 32? |
| 18:53.45 | pumpkin0 | foo: 3GB, but yes. |
| 18:53.46 | valdyn | foo: no that,s nonsense |
| 18:54.22 | Curalton | what about this non-pure-64bit AMD64 debian? |
| 18:54.53 | foo | The server is going to be used for apache/icecast/mysql/dns ... those sort of things |
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| 18:55.49 | pumpkin0 | foo: still 32bit/x86... |
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| 18:56.22 | foo | pumpkin0: okay, thanks |
| 18:56.22 | slacker403 | why everytime i install something with apt-get does it try to start my lighttpd ? |
| 18:56.24 | slacker403 | really wierd |
| 18:56.49 | stew | slacker403: and it fails to start? |
| 18:56.52 | pumpkin0 | slacker403: does "apt-get -f install" do that too ? |
| 18:57.06 | slacker403 | steve, its already running |
| 18:57.12 | slacker403 | actually tf |
| 18:57.21 | slacker403 | it sets up lighttpd everytime i install something |
| 18:57.31 | slacker403 | puts the default html fuiles in there n stuff |
| 18:57.35 | slacker403 | even after i delete them |
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| 18:58.18 | stew | slacker403: yes, becuase lighttp is in an unconfigured or a half-configured state, so anythime you do anything, its trying to configure it, part of the configuration tries to start it. starting it fails becuase it is already running and since starting it fails, configuring it fails, and so it is left in the unconfigured state |
| 18:58.42 | Kjikaqawej | 'weird' |
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| 19:01.08 | foo | pumpkin0: And what's your reasoning for staying at 32bit? More stability / compatibility? |
| 19:01.24 | abrotman | eh .. if the netinst CD can mount your / but the debian kernels can't ... the reason might be ? |
| 19:01.25 | pumpkin0 | foo: my laptop only takes 2GB max ... |
| 19:01.59 | foo | pumpkin0: hm, what? Oh, I mean, for what I described |
| 19:02.06 | Lukemob | Hey all. Is there any way how to switch from user to another user? |
| 19:02.14 | abrotman | it seemingly mounts cleanly .. but the kernels on the system die not being able to mount / |
| 19:02.17 | abrotman | Lukemob: su |
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| 19:02.42 | abrotman | and the kernels worked before |
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| 19:02.56 | Lukemob | abrotman, isn't that command only for root? ;) |
| 19:03.24 | dabu | i think 64bit is only addressing memory larger than 3GB |
| 19:03.39 | dabu | i dont think you get any performance increase just by using 64bit OS |
| 19:03.42 | pumpkin0 | foo: 64Bit gives you better/more RAM support, bigger mmaps, some little effects then dealing with integers, some bigger effects on really, really big DBs. Nothing that will happen on a 2GB RAM system... But the server may one day need a closed-source, 32bit-only prog. |
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| 19:03.46 | abrotman | Lukemob: nope |
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| 19:04.00 | Lukemob | abrotman, ok thx |
| 19:04.14 | abrotman | Lukemob: man su .. you can su to any user |
| 19:04.22 | Lukemob | okey |
| 19:04.23 | Lukemob | thx |
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| 19:04.33 | pumpkin0 | Lukemob: "su <username>" => change to a user. "su" = change to root. |
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| 19:04.40 | Lukemob | oh okey |
| 19:04.41 | foo | pumpkin0: what about for a mysql master? currently 2GB of RAM, if we need... we may upgrade to 8GB |
| 19:04.46 | xingu | pumpkin0: you left off "more registers" :) |
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| 19:05.14 | pumpkin0 | xingu: ... details. |
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| 19:05.52 | pumpkin0 | foo: will you have tables with more then 2GB data inside ? Indexes with moren then 4E9 rows ? |
| 19:05.55 | darko | hello. how can i find out where the program installed with apt-get is installed? where the files of the program are? |
| 19:05.57 | Lukemob | does anyone know any nice control panel? |
| 19:06.37 | jamonation | /bin/zsh is a good one |
| 19:06.52 | dashs | stew: Looks like flashblock is the problem. thanx. |
| 19:06.52 | pumpkin0 | darko: dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 19:07.06 | darko | pumpkin0, thnx |
| 19:07.36 | foo | pumpkin0: possibly, yes. Have a table 800MB right now, database is 8GB... it's going to do nothing but grow. |
| 19:08.35 | pumpkin0 | foo: then you want more RAM to start with. (and can you switch from mysql to pstgres ?) |
| 19:08.36 | xingu | foo: there's only one correct answer here; benchmark transactional throughput. |
| 19:09.33 | foo | pumpkin0: 2GB RAM now, hmm. Switching not really an option. |
| 19:09.50 | pumpkin0 | foo: how much RAM can the board take ? |
| 19:09.53 | foo | pumpkin0: 8GB |
| 19:09.59 | foo | pumpkin0: We'll upgrade little by little, I believe |
| 19:10.33 | xingu | pumpkin0: is the fileserver low low end or the client? |
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| 19:10.54 | pumpkin0 | foo: nothing but server-apps ? past 3GB 64 is the way to go. |
| 19:11.09 | pumpkin0 | xingu: the fileserver. (32MB RAM, 150 MHz, ARM) |
| 19:11.28 | foo | pumpkin0: yes, nothing but server apps. Really, just mysql and some perl stuff. It's a mysql master... going to be busy. Okay, gotcha. Thanks |
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| 19:14.27 | syzygyBSD | isnt' etch stable? |
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| 19:14.40 | xingu | pumpkin0: will probably be much of a muchness providing you keep the combined footprint out of swap; I'd probably start with samba3 though providing your (unix) clients support cifs+posix extentions |
| 19:14.47 | stew | syzygyBSD: /topic |
| 19:14.57 | Roey | ooh, debian lenny |
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| 19:15.10 | Roey | when's Lenny expected? |
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| 19:15.14 | xingu | foo: is this an i965x chipset? |
| 19:15.14 | Roey | I mean, which year, rather |
| 19:15.18 | syzygyBSD | who reads the topic? |
| 19:15.25 | zicho | Does anyone of you play crossfire? |
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| 19:15.40 | Roey | syzygyBSD: why read /topic when we can bother people here about it |
| 19:15.59 | syzygyBSD | see, your getting it... |
| 19:16.02 | stew | Roey: nobody knows when lenny is expected |
| 19:16.32 | foo | xingu: hm, Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 Dual Core |
| 19:16.37 | pumpkin0 | xingu: yes, RAM is the main problem. But i already have the ssh-server running so that would not add to the footprint. And ssh should be able to reduce the encrypting... somehow... |
| 19:16.41 | xingu | pumpkin0: on a box like that performance will be firstly io and secondly memory bandwidth constrained |
| 19:16.55 | Roey | stew: there's no general timetable, ok |
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| 19:17.14 | xingu | pumpkin0: does the box have a supportable hw crypto engine? |
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| 19:17.49 | pumpkin0 | xingu: you don't know the bad details yet. It is a nslu2. So i only have USB-HDs and sticks to work with. |
| 19:17.50 | zicho | how can i check what files was installed when i det "apt-get install something"? |
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| 19:18.06 | pumpkin0 | zicho: dpkg -L <package> |
| 19:18.11 | xand | zicho: dpkg -L |
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| 19:18.38 | zicho | pumpkin0 and xand: ty |
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| 19:19.23 | Mazingaro | please help |
| 19:19.47 | xingu | pumpkin0: ixp_crypto support? |
| 19:20.13 | Mazingaro | I've got a problem with X11 and opengl: on fedora core 7 all worked fine, now I'm on debian opengl screensavers and urbanterror sometimes freeze... |
| 19:20.23 | pumpkin0 | xingu: good idea. It is the network-edition of a Xscale. Checking ... |
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| 19:21.19 | pumpkin0 | xingu: it crashed hard. I geuss that's a no... |
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| 19:25.30 | xingu | pumpkin0: http://ocf-linux.sourceforge.net/ seems to be the place to be. |
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| 19:26.14 | pumpkin0 | xingu: somethings very wrong here. the system keeps rebooting and fails to stay online. wait a sec ... |
| 19:26.17 | DaveyB | How do I sort out the dependancy for liblinc.so.1 on 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 19:30.39 | yos | hi |
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| 19:31.25 | yos | How i install pkp-socket on debian ? |
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| 19:42.43 | spheard | Im trying to work out how I might get mrtg recording the data going in and out of my VPS's Can anyone give me an Idea how it might go together? |
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| 19:48.21 | Lukemob | Is here anyone who tried VHCS on Debian? |
| 19:48.54 | jamonation | Lukemob: i'd stick with webmin, it doesn't put too many fingers into your system |
| 19:49.09 | xingu | !webmin |
| 19:49.09 | dpkg | well, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
| 19:49.14 | jamonation | you don't have shell access? |
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| 19:53.10 | Lukemob | jamonation, would you use webmin also for Webhosting Company? |
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| 19:53.40 | yos87 | Hi |
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| 19:56.22 | yos87 | I have question, how to write an exif tag to many jpg files in same time |
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| 19:56.45 | yos87 | I have question, how to write an exif tag to many jpg files in same time |
| 19:57.22 | dkr | yos87: perhaps with one of the tools in imagemagick suite |
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| 19:57.27 | yos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:58.17 | yos87 | dkr: imagemagick.com |
| 19:58.33 | semprix_ | !php5-socket |
| 19:58.36 | xand | yos: what's that? |
| 19:58.45 | yos | !php5-socket |
| 19:59.04 | xand | yos: php has socket functions built in... |
| 19:59.58 | sleon | hi i have following problem with my server(debconfig is brocken) http://pastebin.ca/625166 this happens with any package i isntall with apt-get; how to fix it? ideas? |
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| 20:00.34 | surge | Hello folks. |
| 20:01.51 | xand | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.55 | surge | I've been searching all day for a piece of software that will allow me to have an interactive web page on my desktop root. Similar to Windows Active Desktop. Is anyone aware of anything that might suit? |
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| 20:02.38 | jerome | hum. How to I properly delete a raid volume ? I'd like to remove swap from raid1. |
| 20:02.42 | xingu | sleon: apt-get install locales ? |
| 20:02.52 | sleon | xingu: i try it now |
| 20:03.04 | jerome | I just can't find this simple command in man mdadm |
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| 20:04.31 | sleon | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/625173 then i get this |
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| 20:08.28 | abrotman | surge: gkrellm? gdesklets? maybe? dunno |
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| 20:09.55 | surge | abrotman: Thanks, but I'm looking to set my whole background as a webpage. :) |
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| 20:12.10 | jakub_ | hi |
| 20:12.11 | jakub_ | please |
| 20:12.16 | jakub_ | what file system have flash discs |
| 20:12.22 | xand | ? |
| 20:12.26 | jakub_ | i need to mount it |
| 20:12.31 | jakub_ | to FSTab |
| 20:12.35 | xand | probably vfat unless you changed it |
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| 20:12.45 | stew | jakub_: could be anything, try "auto" |
| 20:13.00 | xand | but they can be anything, like a harddisk |
| 20:13.28 | jakub_ | i cant |
| 20:13.31 | jakub_ | it cant detect it |
| 20:13.32 | yos | i get this error on php Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20060613/interbase.so |
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| 20:13.44 | yos | how i get interbase.so |
| 20:13.45 | jerome | hum, still can't find how to remove this damn md3 |
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| 20:13.51 | jakub_ | root@sirius:/# mount /sdc |
| 20:13.51 | jakub_ | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 20:14.04 | pumpkin0 | jakub_: mount /dev/sdc1 /mountpoint |
| 20:14.04 | valdyn | sleon: what's those +lfs ? |
| 20:14.46 | jakub_ | yeeees :-D |
| 20:15.04 | jakub_ | it works |
| 20:15.05 | xand | jakub_: helps if you pick the right device name ;P |
| 20:15.06 | jakub_ | thx 2 all |
| 20:15.07 | jakub_ | :-) |
| 20:15.11 | jakub_ | yes |
| 20:15.14 | jakub_ | i pick up wrong |
| 20:15.21 | jakub_ | sdc1 mus tbe |
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| 20:15.51 | yos | xand how i get interbase.so ? |
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| 20:16.30 | Socrates | OH NOEZ |
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| 20:32.05 | Lukemob | Guys |
| 20:32.31 | Lukemob | After system installation when I try to login I fill the username and pass, and then I see just a blue screen... why? |
| 20:32.44 | subx | just leave it |
| 20:32.51 | subx | it might come back |
| 20:33.08 | subx | mine does a blue screen when its trying to find partitions |
| 20:33.24 | subx | leave it for a bit and it comes back |
| 20:33.24 | atealtha | how can I get my exim.conf file configured? It has a bunch of DEBCONF strings so I assume debconf can help me here |
| 20:33.44 | Lukemob | subx: how do I leave it? Ctrl+C or Q? |
| 20:33.55 | TbbW | lol gotta love when ppl say "blue screen" with something in linux XD |
| 20:33.55 | atealtha | he means wait |
| 20:33.57 | subx | no just wait for something to hapen |
| 20:34.07 | Lukemob | okey |
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| 20:34.12 | Lukemob | How long? ;) |
| 20:34.14 | subx | bs0d the linux version :p |
| 20:34.22 | TbbW | subx: XD |
| 20:34.39 | subx | Lukemob: if its still blue after a couple of days, start worrying |
| 20:34.50 | Lukemob | subx, I need to work with it... :S |
| 20:35.19 | Lukemob | Would it be still blue when I use SSH? ;) |
| 20:35.33 | subx | after u put in your details and set a account im pretty sure it goes into the partitioner? |
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| 20:36.17 | Lukemob | I think so |
| 20:36.20 | subx | so the reason its going blue is that its trying to find existing hard drives and partitions, how many HDs in your machine? |
| 20:36.21 | keith4 | how do I type an e with an accent over it? |
| 20:36.28 | Lukemob | If you're sure, then yes. :> |
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| 20:37.00 | Lukemob | subx, 2+ |
| 20:37.07 | subx | Lukemob: try disconnecting all drives apart from the one your installing too |
| 20:37.18 | havocologe | is there a way to disable user accounts ? i do not want to change name or password, just the option the user can login or beeing used. |
| 20:37.38 | nvz | havocologe: ! |
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| 20:38.00 | havocologe | nvz ?? |
| 20:38.01 | subx | havocologe there is a tool what does that but cannot remember name |
| 20:38.04 | nvz | havocologe: put that in /etc/shadow in their password field |
| 20:38.09 | Lukemob | subx: then connect again? |
| 20:38.23 | nvz | havocologe: it will disable logins |
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| 20:38.31 | subx | Lukemob: do your full install, then once its all running then connect them back and mount them |
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| 20:38.44 | Lukemob | subx, okey thx |
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| 20:39.19 | nvz | havocologe: however if you have GDM setup to allow them in without a password, or ssh setup to let them in with public-key auth or something they can still get in, but that disables their password logins because no matter what they type in for a password the hash is never going to match ! |
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| 20:41.20 | mancubus | How I may upgrade only one package? I'm on "lenny" destrib, and don't want upgrade whole system |
| 20:41.37 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 20:41.37 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
| 20:41.40 | abrotman | just install that package |
| 20:41.44 | mancubus | apt-get upgrade package_name doesn't work |
| 20:41.46 | abrotman | or you mean a package from sid ? |
| 20:42.06 | nvz | mancubus: which package? |
| 20:42.16 | mancubus | iceweasel |
| 20:42.22 | nvz | mancubus: thats a bad idea |
| 20:42.33 | mancubus | I want new version from unstable |
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| 20:42.52 | massud | Hello |
| 20:42.59 | mancubus | nvz, what about MFSA 2007-25 XPCNativeWrapper |
| 20:43.00 | massud | which is the package that contains emacs documentation? |
| 20:43.00 | massud | the manual |
| 20:43.02 | aventis | hello |
| 20:43.12 | nvz | mancubus: yeah well then you will need to run unstable because iceweasel has tons of depends including libc6 |
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| 20:43.31 | nvz | mancubus: and debian patches its software, it just doesnt change the version numbers in a stable dist |
| 20:43.33 | mancubus | nvz, i'm on unstable |
| 20:43.36 | aventis | i need little help with etch kde i have just installed |
| 20:43.50 | mancubus | lenny is unstable as i know |
| 20:43.55 | subx | mix and matching between stable and unstable = danger |
| 20:43.58 | nvz | mancubus: no lenny is testing |
| 20:44.01 | aventis | i am getting error with kppp |
| 20:44.09 | nvz | mancubus: sid is and always will be unstable |
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| 20:44.41 | aventis | it wont launch when i click on kppp and when i try to run it in shell it says can not connect to x server |
| 20:44.51 | aventis | how to fix it ? |
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| 20:45.16 | valdyn | aventis: how exactly are you running it |
| 20:45.24 | mancubus | nvz, so... I can't upgrade one package on my own risk? %-) |
| 20:45.49 | valdyn | mancubus: read what dpkg said about simple sid backport |
| 20:45.50 | aventis | valdyn: hi, i did manage to install kde but now this error |
| 20:45.59 | aventis | i am trying to run it as user |
| 20:46.01 | nvz | mancubus: you just want to upgrade it from the currently installed lenny version to the new lenny version? |
| 20:46.22 | nvz | mancubus: you're not actually taking a package from a different dist than you are running? |
| 20:46.53 | aventis | valdyn: i have take screenshots of the errors , i can upload it somewhere if u want to see urself |
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| 20:47.00 | valdyn | aventis: cut and paste. I dont need to know what you 'try' to achieve |
| 20:47.03 | aventis | taken* |
| 20:47.11 | nvz | mancubus: its not a matter of risk if you install iceweasel from a higher dist.. its a definate breakage, cause you will be upgrading libc6 and many x related libraries to versions that will NOT be compatible with the rest of the software on the system |
| 20:47.15 | valdyn | aventis: sure go ahead |
| 20:47.18 | muh2000 | what happend to the command "base-config" ? |
| 20:47.22 | mancubus | nvz, I have just make apt-get update. And I see new version of package. I'd like use it, but I don't want upgrade whole system... |
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| 20:47.31 | nvz | mancubus: then install it |
| 20:47.45 | nvz | mancubus: apt-get install iceweasel |
| 20:48.11 | aventis | valdyn: http://rafb.net/paste will upload screenshot? |
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| 20:48.37 | valdyn | aventis: dont think so, try pastebin.ca |
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| 20:48.44 | aventis | thanks |
| 20:48.48 | muh2000 | or where else can i change the "grade" of how many questions i will be asked by apt when i install something ? |
| 20:48.56 | Gigantic | how you suspend from command line? |
| 20:49.05 | valdyn | mancubus: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 20:49.05 | nvz | mancubus: upgrade does a complete upgrade, install installs packages you specify.. and when apt checks to see if its already installed its going to realize the version installed is older than the one available and will install the new one |
| 20:49.07 | mancubus | nvz, !! Thank you for help. I gone a wrong eay. |
| 20:49.12 | Gigantic | suspend 2 disk |
| 20:49.36 | mancubus | nvz, I have just understand it =)) Thank you for help |
| 20:49.44 | valdyn | muh2000: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 20:50.04 | nvz | !info apt-listbugs lenny |
| 20:50.09 | dpkg | apt-listbugs: (Lists critical bugs before each apt installation), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.80 (lenny), Packaged size: 81 kB, Installed size: 408 kB |
| 20:50.31 | nvz | mancubus: you might want to try that apt-listbugs program, it will notify you when updating in lenny if there are known issues with the package before upgrading it |
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| 20:50.50 | mancubus | nvz, yes i got it on my PC. |
| 20:50.53 | Lukemob | /notice subx Which webhosting control panel would you use for webhosting company? If possible, the free one at a start? |
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| 20:51.00 | mancubus | Now I'm working with notebook |
| 20:51.04 | subx | !info apt-listbugs zoneminder |
| 20:51.04 | muh2000 | valdyn thnx |
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| 20:51.20 | nvz | !dbugs zoneminder |
| 20:51.21 | dpkg | do_pkg not supported yet. |
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| 20:51.54 | nvz | I guess it can only pull up bugs by number |
| 20:52.05 | subx | Lukemob: im not sure, try asking in apache |
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| 20:52.17 | jelly | !dbugs #331333 |
| 20:52.20 | dpkg | DONE:#331333:W[dbengine] dbengine: [INTL:sv] Swedish debconf templates translation; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 01:33:03 UTC |
| 20:52.34 | mancubus | nvz, it provide Brier description of they |
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| 20:53.03 | nvz | yeah I've been here for like 7 years practically 24-7 |
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| 20:53.36 | nvz | I just wasn't sure if you can get listings on package name.. which now that I think about it that would be pretty useless cause of the ammount of results it would find and how many it could show |
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| 20:56.24 | MakaVeli | hi, can anyone tell me the german channel? |
| 20:56.33 | nvz | !de |
| 20:56.33 | dpkg | it has been said that de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
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| 20:57.53 | sandman | Is there a metapackage that just installs all fonts? |
| 20:58.02 | zrin | how to do "safely remove hardware" from a command line, i.e. what to do after umount and before pulling out USB cable and/or power? |
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| 20:58.32 | tehtechman | zrin: i would type something like "sync; sync; sync" |
| 20:58.39 | havocologe | nvz thanks for the solution. usermod -L name does exactly the same and i can remember that :) |
| 20:59.18 | nvz | havocologe: weird I find it way easier to remember ! than usermod -L .. heh I have to read damn manuals to remember what switches do what on commands |
| 20:59.19 | zrin | tehtechman: sync before or after umount? but how to tell the drive to go to sleep and/or power off? |
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| 20:59.41 | tehtechman | zrin: srry... i though you said somthing else... after you unmount you can just snatch it out |
| 21:00.03 | nvz | but thats just how my mind works, it breaks things down to fundamentals and doesnt remember insignificant details that are well documented and can be referenced |
| 21:00.16 | nvz | its a waste of memory and thought process to remember stuff you can reference |
| 21:00.31 | zrin | tehtechman: is there a way to tell the drive to power off, like win* does? |
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| 21:01.12 | havocologe | i need it for a script and therefore it is much more useable for me:) comments>memory :) |
| 21:01.16 | nvz | I guess not everyone thinks as much as I do, that they need to be careful about how much thought process and memory they use on simple operations |
| 21:01.42 | nvz | I'm pretty sure I've got ADD which is kinda like SMP for your brain.. heh |
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| 21:01.52 | tehtechman | zrin: no real need to with a flash (usb key whatever) drive. unless its some special something i dont know about |
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| 21:01.58 | aventis | valdyn: |
| 21:02.04 | nvz | if you can use learn to control what thought tangents you are on and prioritize |
| 21:02.12 | aventis | the screenshot is here |
| 21:02.17 | aventis | http://free-image-upload.freefilespot.com/download.php?file=665c32d4ed13fca1e1d2242b9a75cc60 |
| 21:02.50 | karsten | nvz: I used to have ADD but it took too much time. |
| 21:02.51 | zrin | tehtechman: I have USB attached HDDs and I somehow don't like just cutting the power before telling the drive to shut down |
| 21:02.54 | karsten | nvz: Now I just have A. |
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| 21:03.05 | karsten | !tell aventis about set up X |
| 21:03.15 | nvz | karsten: bah, you still got D and D you're just not able to focus on em :P |
| 21:03.28 | karsten | aventis: Um. Probably don't have DISPLAY or cookies properly set. |
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| 21:03.43 | valdyn | aventis: 'aptitude install sux ', then use 'sux' where you used 'su' in the screenshot |
| 21:03.46 | karsten | aventis: Doh: /msg dpkg sux |
| 21:03.51 | massud | what is the bloody debian package for the emacs manual? |
| 21:03.52 | MakaVeli889 | hi |
| 21:03.59 | massud | i think it was moved away from the emacs package for licensing issues |
| 21:04.03 | massud | because it contains invariant sections |
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| 21:04.41 | tehtechman | zrin: it should be ok. aslong as you dont have the drives mounted you shouldnt loose anything. that "safely remove" stuff in windows just does something like "sync" in linux |
| 21:04.47 | nvz | smells like teen spirit in here |
| 21:04.57 | valdyn | aventis: you should be able to use kppp as user though, that should be 'adduser aventis dialout' |
| 21:05.19 | zrin | tehtechman: it seems thet windows sends a "power off" command when removing |
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| 21:05.45 | karsten | massud: emacs-manual-stab-stab-stab. |
| 21:05.49 | pumpkin0 | zrin: you can send that via hdparm. |
| 21:05.49 | some_dude | alright. I've got my debian 3, and i want to upgrade to 3.1 or 4.0. could someone give me a point in the right direction ? |
| 21:05.56 | FloppYx | !de |
| 21:05.56 | dpkg | i heard de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 21:06.01 | karsten | massud: ... in general, foo-doc for docs packages seperated from primary package. |
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| 21:06.08 | aventis | valdyn: first " aptitude install sux" ? |
| 21:06.20 | valdyn | aventis: yea |
| 21:06.31 | zrin | pumpkin0: I'll try that |
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| 21:06.40 | pickcoder | !tell some_dude about sarge->etch |
| 21:06.45 | gnat_x | If i edit |
| 21:06.48 | gnat_x | woops. |
| 21:06.57 | nvz | FloppYx: are you classified as human? |
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| 21:07.16 | massud | thanks |
| 21:07.24 | some_dude | is 3.0 woody ? |
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| 21:07.45 | gnat_x | if i edit "/etc/postfix/main.cf" how do i tell postfix i've updated the file. do i need to use init scripts? |
| 21:07.54 | pickcoder | some_dude: IIRC, yes |
| 21:08.05 | some_dude | I would be happy with sarge |
| 21:08.17 | tehtechman | zrin: All i can say is that I've never had a problem with mine. unless someone else knows better than me, thats my answer |
| 21:08.26 | aventis | i thorughly confused but will do copy paste of these commands :) |
| 21:08.37 | pickcoder | sarge won't be supported much longer |
| 21:08.43 | pickcoder | Etch is the current stable |
| 21:08.55 | valdyn | aventis: sux is to run graphical programs as root |
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| 21:09.20 | Pencil | hey i was wondering since im running a debian box, which would you perfer a dsl connection or a cable connection? |
| 21:09.23 | pickcoder | !sarge |
| 21:09.23 | dpkg | hmm... sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 21:09.58 | Pencil | verizon or charter? |
| 21:10.07 | irule | how can I change my time zone? I dont recall what I selected on installation but now my clock is 1 hour off :s |
| 21:10.22 | nvz | irule: tzconfig |
| 21:10.23 | mith | irule: cp /usr/share/tzdata/whatever /etc/localtime |
| 21:10.26 | tehtechman | Pencil: If you modem has an rj45 on it then you can just use your ethernet card so it doesnt really matter. Hower ive had better luck with dsl |
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| 21:10.32 | mith | oh fine do it the easy way |
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| 21:10.37 | nvz | mith: heh |
| 21:10.56 | tehtechman | Pencil: for me dsl has been more reliable than cable |
| 21:11.01 | havocologe | is there a way to rename multiple_files to .multiple_files |
| 21:11.28 | some_dude | I changed all of my stables to sarge, one apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade, and I should be on my way ? |
| 21:12.07 | Authority | havocologe: a for loop? |
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| 21:12.10 | some_dude | I could just change all my stables to woody, and apt-get update, and be good ? |
| 21:12.18 | aventis | all i understand is 1: aptitude install sux 2: dpkg sux 3 : adduser aventis dialout . i wonder if these steps are correct ? |
| 21:12.23 | valdyn | some_dude: you're on the wrong track |
| 21:12.29 | zrin | hdparm -Y /dev/sdi => HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(sleep) failed: Invalid argument |
| 21:12.50 | irule | nvz worked like a charm thanks |
| 21:12.57 | nvz | irule: no problem |
| 21:13.09 | valdyn | aventis: first step is correct, 2nd step should be to just run 'sux' and then run 'kppp' |
| 21:13.18 | some_dude | valdyn : to go from 3.0 to 3.1 ? I would setting for staying at 3.0 if it was not trying to use 4.0 packages |
| 21:13.31 | aventis | valdyn: thanks for correcting me |
| 21:13.51 | valdyn | aventis: the adduser thing is how you should be able to avoid sux alltogether and run kppp as user aventis |
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| 21:14.08 | valdyn | aventis: but its a guess, so you can try that later |
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| 21:14.32 | aventis | all i do now is install sux |
| 21:15.10 | aventis | i have to reboot and go to etch now |
| 21:15.38 | aventis | this takes me back and forth to switch between pardus & debian to communicate here |
| 21:15.51 | Authority | is there an easy way to create a new, empty dpkg database? I want to install some packages outside of the normal system's dpkg database |
| 21:15.52 | valdyn | aventis: ok |
| 21:16.12 | valdyn | Authority: why the hell? |
| 21:16.14 | pumpkin0 | Authority: so you want to break the dpkg system the hard way ? |
| 21:16.22 | aventis | brb , hope this time i login with etch here :) |
| 21:16.36 | Authority | valdyn: I'm installing applications outside the system |
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| 21:16.49 | valdyn | Authority: ask for what you want to achieve, not for the fucked up method you are inventing |
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| 21:17.09 | simonrvn | Authority: wtf? |
| 21:17.15 | zrin | pumpkin0: eject -s /dev/sdi might be the answer |
| 21:17.40 | some_dude | my system is reporting Debian 3.1 now |
| 21:17.49 | Authority | valdyn: I'm installing packages onto a network location, not to a particular system |
| 21:17.55 | pumpkin0 | zrin: i use "hdparm -y /dev/sdX". But it depends on the usb-chip... |
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| 21:18.32 | Authority | valdyn: therefore, I don't want the database to mix with the system database |
| 21:18.56 | zrin | pumpkin0: it doesn't work for me ... wasn't there something like scsi equivalent to hdparm? |
| 21:19.09 | valdyn | Authority: why would you do something like that? |
| 21:19.13 | Authority | pumpkin0: i'm not breaking dpkg in any way, i'm using built in functionality. take a look at dpkg --admindir= |
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| 21:19.26 | valdyn | Authority: usiing debs for this is wrong |
| 21:19.38 | Authority | valdyn: why is it wrong? |
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| 21:20.02 | Authority | valdyn: I have a package of data I want to install and manage easily |
| 21:20.15 | valdyn | Authority: because a debian system is complete in itself, that's what dependencies do |
| 21:21.04 | Innatech | is there a switch I can give apt-get install to make it install recommended pkgs w/o changing the .conf ? |
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| 21:21.14 | Authority | valdyn: this has nothing to do with the debian system itself, its engineering data |
| 21:21.15 | zck | hi |
| 21:21.42 | zck | please, anybody knows how can I install apt-setup? |
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| 21:21.57 | zck | or something to reconfigure sources.list |
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| 21:22.51 | fadey | hi,everyone. does anyone know what does "rc" in dpkg -l output means? |
| 21:23.09 | valdyn | Authority: i understand you have a set of files, that you want to have at 1 specific place only |
| 21:23.19 | valdyn | Authority: that right? |
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| 21:24.18 | Authority | valdyn: i'm not installing on a machine, i'm installing to a network location to be shared by many machines. I don't want to mix my network installs with what's actually installed on the machine |
| 21:24.24 | Murrlin | good evening |
| 21:24.46 | valdyn | Authority: right, a set of files, on one physical place , that is then shared via network |
| 21:25.07 | valdyn | Authority: why would this very simple thing profit from a complex system like dpkg? |
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| 21:25.30 | nanonyme | hi, i'm planning on installing debian on an external hard disk which i would attach to another computer. should i detach other hard disks from the computer to make sure that the bootloader is installed to the right mbr? |
| 21:25.31 | Authority | valdyn: right, but its not shared from the machine doing the install. the machine is installing to NAS |
| 21:25.49 | valdyn | Authority: sure, whatever, irrelevant |
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| 21:26.04 | Authority | valdyn: so are most of your questions |
| 21:26.20 | raqamy | after compiling and installing sendmail successfully, i was able to send and recieve mail as root but no as non privileged user, what would be the reason? |
| 21:26.39 | valdyn | Authority: im really just confirming that using dpkg to 'administrate' that set of files is total overkill |
| 21:26.41 | Authority | valdyn: i profit from using dpkg because it gives me dependency tracking and easy install/removal |
| 21:27.09 | nanonyme | or will debian try to install a boot loader to the mbr of the same hard disk if you have more than one hard disk in the computer? better yet, can you choose the mbr? |
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| 21:27.27 | nanonyme | (in the installer, that is) |
| 21:27.28 | Authority | valdyn: well you don't know all my requirements, so you can't really say that |
| 21:27.36 | valdyn | Authority: true |
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| 21:27.55 | valdyn | Authority: think of this in a different way |
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| 21:28.14 | valdyn | Authority: there's no reason why your files need to be in a different dpkg database |
| 21:28.16 | nanonyme | ah, everyone seems to be busy or asleep. maybe i'll go to bed too |
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| 21:28.47 | valdyn | Authority: you create one or a set of debian packages ( .deb files ), and install them, on whatever machine. |
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| 21:29.16 | valdyn | Authority: the fact that its shared via nas or whatever doesnt need to matter |
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| 21:29.28 | some_dude | there is no sun-java5-jre for sarge ? |
| 21:29.38 | Authority | valdyn: if the machine currently doing the installs goes away, i don't want my install database to go away |
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| 21:30.03 | Authority | valdyn: because the data is still on the network whether or not the machine that installed it still exists |
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| 21:30.36 | Authority | valdyn: so the dpkg database for the stuff installed on the network needs to be abstracted from the machines |
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| 21:31.01 | hark | some_dude: no, but you can use java-package |
| 21:31.38 | some_dude | hark : same thing ? |
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| 21:31.59 | abrotman | pete! |
| 21:32.15 | hark | !java-package |
| 21:32.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
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| 21:32.31 | valdyn | Authority: ok |
| 21:32.53 | valdyn | Authority: questions is then if you really want to --admin-dir that or already create a complete chroot |
| 21:32.58 | some_dude | how bad would it be to use the stable java package ? |
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| 21:33.30 | Authority | valdyn: just admindir. nothing in these packages will be installed local |
| 21:33.59 | semprix_ | valdyn, |
| 21:34.07 | semprix_ | h0wdy |
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| 21:34.16 | zrin | commands that might help to safely remove usb drive (please comment): sync, umount <device>, eject <device>, hdparm -y (or -Y) <device>, sdparm -C stop <device> |
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| 21:35.48 | Authority | valdyn: do you know the answer to my original question or not? basically i'm looking for a dpkg equivalent to 'rpm --initdb' |
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| 21:35.53 | Dawn | friends, i'm looking for free remote desktop software that has a shared key authentication feature |
| 21:36.22 | qrck | is there something special reserved for port 6969 ? i get netstat listing it as listening to tcp6 but no idea what... |
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| 21:38.58 | pizza_biz | IANA lists "acmsoda" for 6969/tcp. what process has that port open? |
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| 21:39.28 | rocketmagnet | hi, i've tried to install git but i got the gnu interactive tools |
| 21:39.45 | qrck | pizza_biz, acmsoda ? whats thaat ? |
| 21:40.01 | rocketmagnet | now i don't know how to run git (i allways get gitfm) |
| 21:40.17 | pizza_biz | offhand, i have no idea. |
| 21:40.53 | pizza_biz | running any bittorrent programs? |
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| 21:41.14 | qrck | pizza_biz, if i knew what process is holding it open i wouldn't have asked or ? i mean it's just apache claiming that a virtualhost on 6969 is already listening and shutting down afterwards |
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| 21:43.11 | pizza_biz | netstat -a -p -- what's that report? |
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| 21:53.15 | some_dude | Ice Weasel ? |
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| 21:59.03 | Azio | hello there I have a dead strange question! (hehehe0 |
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| 22:00.01 | Azio | I'm wanting to develop a program preferably in c/sh/ or similar under debian or gnu linux systems creating "tones" based on my input, does anyone have any guiding info, or packages that might serve some use in such practice? |
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| 22:02.38 | Hideki^ | Hi, I'm in the process of setting up some networking stuff and the howto I'm using is telling me to use the 'ip' command which I don't seem to have... commands in the form 'ip link set lo up' for example, is that command packaged somewhere or do I need to use something else... |
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| 22:04.54 | earthian | hello, how do I add a script to cron ? |
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| 22:05.14 | xsdg | Hideki^: install iproute2 |
| 22:05.26 | stew | just iproute these days |
| 22:05.27 | nicognu | /who totof |
| 22:05.27 | earthian | so that it exectures once in 5 minutes |
| 22:05.37 | earthian | all the time |
| 22:05.38 | xsdg | stew: aah |
| 22:05.39 | earthian | :) |
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| 22:05.53 | xsdg | earthian: do you want the script to be run as you? |
| 22:05.57 | Mazingaro | please I've got a problem running opengl on my debian box (lenny + 2.6.21-k7 + radeon 9200 + radeon x11 module) |
| 22:06.04 | earthian | xsdg, root |
| 22:06.07 | Hideki^ | ah, there it is |
| 22:06.12 | Hideki^ | thanks again ;p |
| 22:06.18 | earthian | cot its gonna mod some files |
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| 22:06.23 | xsdg | earthian: ok; edit /etc/crontab |
| 22:06.24 | fyrestrtr | sorry to ask such a retarded question; but how can I get updated "unstable" packages. I need to update python-paster |
| 22:06.35 | xsdg | earthian: `man 5 crontab` to see the format |
| 22:06.40 | earthian | ok |
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| 22:10.51 | pumpkin0 | can i tell debmirror to fetch only the stuff tasksel installs for the option base and fileserver ? |
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| 22:12.53 | peter_ | is there any way to check if I send some packages to the net? |
| 22:13.28 | pumpkin0 | peter_: ifconfig ? |
| 22:14.04 | peter_ | pumpkin0, but I need it in real time |
| 22:14.36 | pumpkin0 | peter_: "watch -n 1 ifconfig" ? |
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| 22:15.11 | peter_ | pumpkin0, can I also clear ifconfig? |
| 22:15.39 | pumpkin0 | peter_: none that i know ... |
| 22:16.07 | peter_ | pumpkin0, ok thanks |
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| 22:18.27 | Gathond | peter_: iptraf or similiar are probably better |
| 22:18.29 | HelplessandAlone | Can someone tell me how to install the ftdi driver for debian 2.4.27 (before it came with the kernel) |
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| 22:21.22 | themill | HelplessandAlone: there are instructions on the ftdi website for that |
| 22:21.33 | HelplessandAlone | ftdichip.com is down for me |
| 22:21.35 | HelplessandAlone | anyone else? |
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| 22:21.46 | themill | HelplessandAlone: google's cache :) |
| 22:22.23 | themill | HelplessandAlone: http://tinyurl.com/2ho9v7 |
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| 22:23.52 | Mauna_Loa | hi all |
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| 22:24.22 | Mauna_Loa | anyone knows if fast-user-switch-applet is broken in gnome? |
| 22:26.26 | Mauna_Loa | I'm using debian lenny |
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| 22:27.22 | mo1991 | how is lenny (testing) looking? Does anyone have it installed? How is stablility? Been using etch for a while now. |
| 22:27.25 | HelplessandAlone | themill, the file they call out to download is non existent |
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| 22:28.29 | peter_ | mo1991, well... lenny can change in half an hour. If there would change some important package, it can crash. I had problems with that, thats why Im using Etch, but most people I have meet, says it is pretty stable |
| 22:28.43 | ricky | mo1991: Well, I haven't had any trouble with it yet. |
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| 22:29.12 | mo1991 | running etch 64 and am getting sick of now having some stuff available for 63 bit so since I have to reinstall thought i'd try lenny |
| 22:29.27 | lymeca | I just installed foxyproxy and when I loaded Iceweasel it didn't reload what tabs and pages I had open when I last shut Iceweasel down. I *need* to get those pages back! |
| 22:29.30 | mo1991 | I do need it to work though |
| 22:29.34 | themill | HelplessandAlone: you're probably SOL until their website reappears :( |
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| 22:29.42 | ladydoor | mo1991: I've been using lenny for a while and haven't had any problems, but then again my setup is a bit unusual. Anything in particular you're worried about? |
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| 22:30.20 | mo1991 | not really, just that the applicatioins work, firewall, thunderbird, azureus, etc |
| 22:30.33 | mo1991 | apache, |
| 22:30.37 | pumpkin0 | mo1991: if you need a working system: stay away from 64Bit and use stable. |
| 22:30.39 | mo1991 | ftp, ssh, etc |
| 22:30.50 | mo1991 | pumpkin0 |
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| 22:31.00 | ladydoor | mo1991: Oh, I should've read more carefully. I don't use 64-bit, just FYI. |
| 22:31.04 | mo1991 | yea 64 bit drives me crazy to much hacking to get stuff to work |
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| 22:31.27 | mo1991 | ladydoor, you use lenny tho - i want to move bac to 386 |
| 22:31.39 | mo1991 | 64 bit is too much work to get some 32 bit stuff running |
| 22:31.55 | pumpkin0 | mo1991: unless you have >3GB or same a highly loaded SQL Server => 32Bit. |
| 22:32.14 | mo1991 | think I'll give lenny 32 bit a try |
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| 22:32.22 | ladydoor | mo1991: Ah. Well, I haven't had problems. The nice thing about testing is that before stuff gets into it, it does have to go through a couple of weeks of bug-looking-for-ing, I believe. |
| 22:32.40 | simonrvn | it's called sid |
| 22:32.47 | mo1991 | right - pluss the new apps |
| 22:32.54 | mo1991 | simonrun sid is unstable I believe |
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| 22:33.29 | simonrvn | 'simonrvn', and yes, i know |
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| 22:34.28 | ladydoor | simonrvn: Right, sid is unstable and that is where the preliminary (pre-testing/lenny) stuff goes on. |
| 22:34.36 | ladydoor | :-) |
| 22:35.06 | simonrvn | yes. if no rc bugs for ten days (and some other stuff), then it goes to lenny |
| 22:35.12 | mo1991 | ladydoor - is there a net boot disc for lenny - testing - I can't seem to find one |
| 22:35.14 | simonrvn | !sid |
| 22:35.14 | dpkg | the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
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| 22:35.35 | simonrvn | !unstable |
| 22:35.35 | dpkg | unstable is, like, the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 22:35.37 | ladydoor | mo1991: I'm afraid I don't know. Sorry. |
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| 22:35.53 | mo1991 | anyone know where I can get a testing netinstall cd |
| 22:36.09 | simonrvn | the rest you can do /msg dpkg tell me about someFactoid |
| 22:36.11 | mo1991 | or should I just change the repositories in the stable net install cd to testing |
| 22:36.18 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: lol |
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| 22:36.42 | simonrvn | finish installing stable first, then change to lenny |
| 22:36.52 | ladydoor | mo1991: But you could always install a minimal stable system, then upgrade. |
| 22:37.00 | Mauna_Loa | hi. I'm running debian lenny. anyome knows if fast-user-switch-applet is broken? when I try to switch to another user nothing happens |
| 22:37.13 | simonrvn | !tell Mauna_Loa -about bts |
| 22:37.16 | mo1991 | ladydoor - so you just installed minimum - update all packages then finish install |
| 22:38.08 | ladydoor | mo1991: Actually, I chrooted per the instructions here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en and then dist-upgraded |
| 22:38.23 | themill | mo1991: yes - you can just install of the business card image if you want. Don't let it even look for mirrors. |
| 22:38.34 | peter_ | Gathond, what about ports that some program use? how can I check it? |
| 22:38.39 | ladydoor | mo1991: I'm not sure how applicable the instructions are now that etch is stable, however. |
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| 22:39.28 | Mauna_Loa | thanks simonrvn. I didn't find this kind of bug on the bug tracking system |
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| 22:39.32 | Mtraker | hi |
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| 22:40.08 | Mtraker | i want to use wacom with xgl. Is it possible? |
| 22:40.39 | simonrvn | Mauna_Loa: easier to look for the package itself, then look through the reports ;) |
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| 22:42.01 | aymen | hi guys |
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| 22:42.18 | aymen | i'm a new user of debian |
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| 22:42.31 | karsten | !win aymen |
| 22:42.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, aymen! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
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| 22:42.47 | ladydoor | aymen: What's up? |
| 22:42.49 | astinus | which package provides /etc/init.d/networking? |
| 22:42.51 | themill | !tell mo1991 about etch->lenny |
| 22:42.55 | ezu5t | is there a command that runs like "time" (printing results after the process terminates), but shows me CPU time, I/O bytes, and other useful stats? |
| 22:43.19 | aymen | i need to know how to modify the grub file |
| 22:43.44 | themill | aymen: can you tell us why? that will help us help you |
| 22:43.45 | ladydoor | aymen: What's the problem? |
| 22:43.46 | xand | astinus: netbase |
| 22:44.28 | aymen | no, just i wanna modify the time of waiting and the default system |
| 22:44.46 | karsten | astinus: ifupdown. |
| 22:44.54 | karsten | !tell astinus about search |
| 22:44.54 | mo1991 | thewill I found the testing installed CD and will just use that |
| 22:45.18 | themill | mo1991: all good then |
| 22:45.36 | ladydoor | aymen: Cool. Do you know about sudo/su and root, and what's your favorite text editor? |
| 22:45.36 | Mauna_Loa | simonrvn. I have also looked for the package itself: http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/fast-user-switch-applet.html . It seems I'm the only one who isn't able to switch users |
| 22:46.03 | xand | karsten: no, it's netbase |
| 22:46.04 | aymen | i know about it and i know about vi and kwrite |
| 22:46.05 | simonrvn | i've seen other people bitch about it not working, i guess they didn't file a bug |
| 22:46.22 | mo1991 | thx everyone |
| 22:46.35 | themill | aymen: as root, you can vi /etc/grub/menu.lst and see there's a line for timeout |
| 22:46.41 | ladydoor | aymen: Cool, so fire up a text editor on /boot/grub/menu.lst as root |
| 22:46.54 | themill | aymen: bah /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 22:47.04 | aymen | ok thnx a lot guys |
| 22:47.16 | astinus | karsten: Searching is kinda hard using dpkg -S when your /etc/init.d/networking has gone AWOL :) |
| 22:47.23 | karsten | xand: Hence my second answer ;-) |
| 22:47.36 | ladydoor | aymen: NP. And there's some useful stuff in the file grub-doc, but the file itself should be pretty well commented :-). Good luck! |
| 22:47.48 | ladydoor | aymen: *package grub-doc, not file |
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| 22:48.13 | karsten | astinus: If you can access IRC I'll assume you've got access to another system with networking. There's always p.d.o. |
| 22:48.16 | xand | astinus: -L |
| 22:48.19 | aymen | thnx ladydoor..u r so cool |
| 22:48.27 | ladydoor | aymen: I wouldn't go that far, but thank you. |
| 22:49.03 | astinus | karsten: I have lots of systems, none apart from that one run Debian, and I'll concede I hadn't looked at p.d.o though |
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| 22:49.30 | ladydoor | themill: g'night, then! |
| 22:49.48 | karsten | astinus: Just letting you know that there are other options, and the search factoid tells you them. |
| 22:50.01 | astinus | thanks :) |
| 22:50.08 | themill | ladydoor: cheers |
| 22:50.25 | karsten | astinus: There are times when it's appropriate for #debian to be your personal research librarian slave, but it's far fewer than it's called on to be same. |
| 22:51.19 | karsten | astinus: Anyhow, I'd remembered it as part of ifupdown, which was wrong (not sure if that's changed or I'm just plain wrong), so being able to do your own research is a plus. Debian makes this very, very easy, with lots of good tools for doing so. |
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| 22:54.42 | Asche | hi, |
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| 22:55.05 | Asche | where can i download the iso image of debian sid netinstall cd ? |
| 22:55.16 | Asche | i dont found it |
| 22:55.27 | streuner_ | Asche: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 22:56.51 | Asche | streuner_ in that faq dont said where i can download it |
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| 22:57.08 | Heston | what kind of performance would I be looking at for a 700 mhz box doing a software raid mirror and AES encryption? |
| 22:57.18 | streuner_ | that's the tric ;-) |
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| 22:58.26 | semprix | streuner_, h0wdy |
| 22:58.35 | streuner_ | hi |
| 22:58.40 | Asche | streuner_ what trick ? |
| 22:58.40 | syntaxx | i have a problem in my cups server.. when someone pauses the printer on their client all other queue is paused anyone know how to fix that? |
| 22:58.51 | Asche | i want to download debian sid netinst, grrr |
| 22:59.01 | Azar | helloo honorables |
| 22:59.05 | Azar | tarzeau: |
| 22:59.09 | piggybox | is it just me that has DNS resolve issue for debian.org? |
| 22:59.48 | semprix | piggybox, maybe your isp |
| 23:00.01 | Asche | FUCKK |
| 23:00.03 | themill | !tell Asche about lenny netinstall |
| 23:00.20 | themill | Asche: there's no netinstall image for sid on its own that I know of |
| 23:00.23 | piggybox | Asche: thx anyway |
| 23:00.24 | Asche | i want sid netinstall, no lenny |
| 23:00.34 | Asche | ah |
| 23:00.44 | Azar | Asche: wow, are you a developer? |
| 23:00.47 | Asche | ok, so i install lenny and then y do a dist-upgrade |
| 23:00.53 | semprix | guys i want to stop rpcbind and auth on this box how will i do it? |
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| 23:01.31 | Socrates | GUYS, I LOVE TEH DEBIAN. |
| 23:01.41 | astinus | karsten: just FYI, its actually part of netbase |
| 23:01.53 | Azar | Asche: if you are not a package maintainer, developer..etc, you will NOT LIKE sid |
| 23:02.02 | streuner_ | Asche: read the FAQ and get a clue |
| 23:02.09 | karsten | astinus: So I hear. |
| 23:02.30 | Asche | i like sid |
| 23:02.40 | Azar | well, tarzeau sleeps, he is losing : http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Your-Computer-Fails.aspx |
| 23:02.47 | Azar | Asche: how many times did you used sid? |
| 23:02.55 | Asche | lots |
| 23:03.03 | Azar | pfffyeah.. |
| 23:03.04 | Asche | 2 months ago |
| 23:03.14 | Asche | all my family uses sid |
| 23:03.21 | Azar | hahahahahaha!!!! |
| 23:03.37 | Azar | quote that please.... pleaseeeee |
| 23:03.40 | Asche | yup |
| 23:03.44 | Asche | is true |
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| 23:04.01 | Mauna_Loa | I can't login as another user, in debian lenny. anybody knows why? |
| 23:04.02 | themill | Asche: either you have a sick streak or you actually mean sarge |
| 23:04.23 | Asche | no, i dont mean sarge, i said SID |
| 23:04.26 | Asche | unstable |
| 23:04.33 | Asche | with beryl-svn :) |
| 23:04.51 | themill | Asche: so we're right about the sick streak then.... |
| 23:04.52 | ladydoor | Mauna_Loa: This may sound obvious, but does the user exist and have a password? |
| 23:04.57 | Asche | hahah |
| 23:05.03 | karsten | Mauna_Loa: What runlevel? What error message? Logging in how? Does /etc/nologin exist? |
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| 23:05.14 | Asche | i dont know what means Sick streak |
| 23:05.24 | Asche | im from argentina |
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| 23:05.30 | Asche | i speak spanish hehe |
| 23:05.31 | buchkurish | grrr something is wrong!! |
| 23:05.37 | ladydoor | Mauna_Loa: Also, are you su'ing to this user or logging in at the console/ g/k/xdm? |
| 23:05.39 | karsten | Asche: Psychological damage. |
| 23:05.41 | astinus | Asche: http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/rni/lowres/rnin13l.jpg |
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| 23:05.44 | Asche | hahaha |
| 23:05.45 | buchkurish | whenever i connect via ssh from another machine, my putty disconnects after like fivem inutes what do i do" |
| 23:05.55 | Mauna_Loa | ladydoor: is, it exist and have a password. I loged in to that user many times, on the last months |
| 23:05.57 | buchkurish | i dont get it why, i havent been on it for a while but every 5 or so min it boots me out |
| 23:06.22 | ladydoor | Mauna_Loa: How're you loggin in? |
| 23:06.28 | Mauna_Loa | ladydoor: I'm trying to login to that user on gnome |
| 23:06.35 | karsten | Mauna_Loa: You still haven't told us how you're logging in or what error messages (if any) you're seeing. |
| 23:06.40 | jelly-home | buckuris: is there a Cisco firewall between you and the remote machine? |
| 23:06.41 | astinus | Asche: I believe what you're /really/ looking for is http://www.gentoo.org |
| 23:06.48 | Mauna_Loa | karsten: no error messages |
| 23:06.52 | ladydoor | astinus: lol |
| 23:07.04 | karsten | Mauna_Loa: So: GDM login at X via the greeter? What happens after you enter user + pass and try to start the session? |
| 23:07.22 | themill | astinus: :) |
| 23:07.24 | buchkurish | jelly-home: mmm |
| 23:07.26 | karsten | Mauna_Loa: "Password denied, immediately back to the greeter (user/pass dialog), or some flickering of stuff? |
| 23:07.29 | buchkurish | avg anti firus |
| 23:07.35 | Mauna_Loa | karsten: I'm trying to login with fast-user_switch-applet and with system tools -> new login |
| 23:07.36 | Asche | astinus, hmm, is good idea, know that i have an Athlon X2 and 2 gb of ram |
| 23:07.55 | Asche | i remember, with my duron 800 , and gentoo |
| 23:07.56 | karsten | Mauna_Loa: Try logging in vi ssh and/or or at console. Try a failsafe X session. Check user's .xsession_errors file. Check /var/log/auth.log |
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| 23:08.02 | buchkurish | jelly-home: the only thing installed on this windows machine where i connect to server from is a avg virus scaner |
| 23:08.03 | Asche | to compile kde |
| 23:08.05 | jelly-home | buchkurish: does it disconnect even if you do something (ie. a not-idle ssh session)? |
| 23:08.06 | astinus | Asche: What you really need is to use all the -* packages, run ~amd64 or just use LFS ;) |
| 23:08.11 | Asche | i spend 34 hours |
| 23:08.12 | Mauna_Loa | karster: I'm able to login into the other user on the GDM greeting |
| 23:08.14 | karsten | Mauna_L!tell Mauna_Loa about smart questions |
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| 23:08.24 | Mauna_Loa | karsten: I'm able to login into the other user on the GDM greeting |
| 23:08.37 | karsten | Mauna_Loa: The more detail you can provide, the better. I don't have time to troubleshoot but I can nag you into giving useful information. |
| 23:08.46 | killly0u | LOL |
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| 23:08.51 | karsten | Mauna_Loa: OK, sounds like fast user switch (whatever that is) isn't working. |
| 23:09.15 | jelly-home | buchkurish: I meant, is there some physical network equipment, or are you on the same ethernet segment? |
| 23:09.20 | ladydoor | Mauna_Loa: I'm going to have to jump off here. good lluck. |
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| 23:09.24 | Mauna_Loa | karsten: I believe that, because I can login into the other usser account on GDM greeetings |
| 23:09.31 | buchkurish | jelly-home: i really doubt it i had no problem before it just started doing this |
| 23:09.40 | buchkurish | jelly-home: im expecting it to boot me right now haha should i reinstall ssh? |
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| 23:10.09 | karsten | Mauna_Loa: Generally login problems are: user auth issues (doesn't sound like), X configuration issues (maybe), X startup issues (eg: something that needs to start in your environment isn't), or something idiosyncratic to whatever connection/access method you're using. I'd suspect the last two, possibly the last three, as your problem. |
| 23:10.10 | Mauna_Loa | jarsten: But once I enter gnome I can't login into the other account via fast-user swithc-applet nor via system tools -> new login |
| 23:10.12 | jelly-home | buchkurish: no idea. I've seen Cisco PIX disconnect _idle_ ssh sessions, but not active ones. |
| 23:10.21 | karsten | Mauna_Loa: You're the person who's got to sort which that is. |
| 23:10.48 | karsten | Mauna_Loa: And BTW it's "karsten". Thats a K at the start, an N at the end, and ARSTE in the middle. Tab-complete in your IRC client may help. |
| 23:10.56 | Mauna_Loa | karsten: ok, I will see what I can do. I thought it was some king os lenny bug |
| 23:10.56 | buchkurish | grr taht sux |
| 23:11.04 | buchkurish | ..well ill wait a few mroe and see if it boots me |
| 23:11.12 | buchkurish | it has done it a few times in the past 1 hour or so... |
| 23:11.15 | buchkurish | didnt keep track |
| 23:11.19 | buchkurish | i ignored untill it made me mad |
| 23:11.57 | Mauna_Loa | karsten: I'm not so good with english, cause it's not my native language |
| 23:12.01 | Asche | 15 kbps, fuckkking arnet |
| 23:12.25 | Asche | i have 2,5 mbits of bw, and i download at 15 kbps |
| 23:12.27 | jelly-home | buchkurish: you haven't answered if your machine is on the same network as the remote machine. If you are not, it might be a network issue |
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| 23:12.44 | karsten | Mauna_Loa: Might try #debian-br if you're a native Portuguese speaker. /msg dpkg br |
| 23:12.47 | buchkurish | yes yes |
| 23:12.51 | buchkurish | jelly-home: it is on same network |
| 23:12.52 | semprix | didnt know there was a pdf file on the debian docs on the site :) |
| 23:12.54 | themill | Asche: arnet? |
| 23:12.55 | semprix | nice to know :) |
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| 23:13.30 | Asche | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.51 | themill | Asche: ahh |
| 23:13.59 | Asche | really sucks |
| 23:14.04 | utopia_ | argentina net :) |
| 23:14.09 | Asche | yup |
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| 23:14.12 | utopia_ | is it state owned? |
| 23:14.17 | Asche | nop |
| 23:14.19 | jelly-home | buchkurish: no ideas then |
| 23:14.27 | utopia_ | then it shouldn't suck! :\ |
| 23:14.37 | utopia_ | *that* much ;) |
| 23:14.44 | Azar | mann you gotta love the headlines in realtechnews lately: " Man Throws PC Out of Window, Police Applaud" |
| 23:14.55 | Azar | sick |
| 23:15.14 | utopia_ | lol |
| 23:15.17 | Asche | here works very bad, but other places works fine, because the DSLam's are very "congestioned" |
| 23:15.18 | utopia_ | good on em |
| 23:15.19 | Azar | it should be backwards: Man throws "..." out of pc police applauds |
| 23:15.24 | buchkurish | grr |
| 23:15.26 | buchkurish | it just did it heheh |
| 23:15.29 | buchkurish | what a stinker |
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| 23:16.31 | jelly-home | buchkurish: interesting nickname, btw ;-) |
| 23:16.49 | Asche | bye, thanks to all |
| 23:17.19 | buchkurish | jelly-home: heheh |
| 23:17.27 | buchkurish | jelly-home: buchkurish in bosnian means like a mess |
| 23:17.36 | jelly-home | buchkurish: jelda :-) |
| 23:17.37 | buchkurish | jelly-home: usualy like when u see food and ur like omg what is that.. |
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| 23:17.43 | buchkurish | jelda?? hihi |
| 23:17.48 | buchkurish | whats jelde? |
| 23:17.57 | jelly-home | buchkurish: /me is from .hr ;-) |
| 23:17.58 | buchkurish | wait id idnt mean to ask u what that means hehe |
| 23:18.03 | buchkurish | ohh woot woot hehe |
| 23:18.10 | buchkurish | so u should know what buchkurish is hehe |
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| 23:18.20 | buchkurish | jelly-home is titee too man hehe =) |
| 23:18.37 | buchkurish | well you are a good person =) it takes just a bit from talking to find out haha |
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| 23:21.29 | pringat | hi, I'm trying to install debian on a PIII, ASUS MB with VGA on board. I get the boot: prompt but as soon as the kernel starts to be uncompress I get the following message: "crc error --System halted". Any idea? Thx |
| 23:21.29 | krazykit | !tell buchkurish about u |
| 23:21.56 | krazykit | pringat, sounds like a bad cd. did you check the md5 of the iso? |
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| 23:22.15 | sinizzl | hi |
| 23:22.20 | sinizzl | how can i map a mousebutton to the keyboard? i found something in the gentoo wiki but it tells me to setup something in 'keyboard accessibility preferences` /// is there any way to do this without fkn gnome tools ?? i use xfce |
| 23:22.22 | krazykit | if that's correct, i'd try burning another one |
| 23:23.38 | pringat | krazykit I've used this cd to do other installations and it worked well. I've also tried to boot the machine with a liveCD with the same result... |
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| 23:25.09 | krazykit | pringat, then the problem isn't with the media... it's possible that your cd drive is messed up... crc errors usually mean some kind of media error |
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| 23:26.27 | pringat | krazykit, I've just tried to switch the cd drive as well with the same result :( |
| 23:28.18 | krazykit | pringat, bad memory could also be at fault |
| 23:28.45 | krazykit | the google suggests it may also be a bios issue |
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| 23:29.08 | krazykit | or even a hard drive problem |
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| 23:29.47 | pringat | krazykit I'm googling as well. |
| 23:29.52 | pringat | krazykit |
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| 23:30.08 | krazykit | hmm |
| 23:30.28 | pringat | krazykit, oppss... sorry, do you think that I could have boot with memory errors present? |
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| 23:31.37 | krazykit | yeah, it happens. memory errors don't always manifest right away. a few cycles of memtest86 would rule that issue out. |
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| 23:32.15 | afaict | hi folks |
| 23:32.26 | krazykit | pringat, otherwise, you COULD pop the hard drive into another machine, install to it, then put it back in, but that's a roundabout solution. |
| 23:32.36 | pringat | krazykit, before I need to have linux installed and booted ;) |
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| 23:32.48 | afaict | i have a simple question I think |
| 23:33.08 | krazykit | !ask |
| 23:33.08 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:33.14 | afaict | Is java built in kernel in Debian ? |
| 23:33.33 | krazykit | java isn't built into any kernel anywhere |
| 23:33.47 | afaict | krazykit so i will need to recompile kernel. right ? |
| 23:33.51 | krazykit | no |
| 23:33.57 | krazykit | java has nothing to do with the kernel |
| 23:33.57 | afaict | krazykit o.O |
| 23:33.57 | pringat | krazykit I've already considerated that option, and I have a hd with a new debian in it, but I haven't it here right now. |
| 23:34.07 | afaict | krazykit shut up |
| 23:34.13 | afaict | krazykit ;) |
| 23:34.20 | krazykit | !tell afaict about java |
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| 23:34.41 | afaict | krazykit shiu! |
| 23:34.50 | afaict | krazykit i will show you. wait a minute |
| 23:35.28 | afaict | krazykit please learn @ www.linuxhq.com/java.html |
| 23:35.51 | streuner_ | wtf? |
| 23:36.01 | afaict | streuner_ what ? o.O |
| 23:36.04 | streuner_ | afaict: we told you about Java |
| 23:36.16 | krazykit | afaict, please learn the difference between "java support" and "java binary kernel support" |
| 23:36.41 | krazykit | binfmt is a general option. this is just telling you how to set it up |
| 23:36.51 | namit|home | what package does ifconfig come in? |
| 23:36.53 | afaict | krazykit uhm sorry. i know the difference. |
| 23:36.55 | krazykit | you can use binfmt to run windows applications without typing wine first, too |
| 23:37.06 | krazykit | afaict, you didn't make the difference clear, or what you were even looking for |
| 23:37.18 | afaict | krazykit i didnt. sorry |
| 23:37.42 | afaict | krazykit did you try java binary kernel support ? |
| 23:37.56 | krazykit | i do my best to avoid java, really. |
| 23:38.06 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 23:38.08 | afaict | krazykit lol |
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| 23:39.23 | afaict | im connected using java.freenode.net |
| 23:39.27 | afaict | :D |
| 23:39.29 | stoned | java |
| 23:39.38 | krazykit | afaict, it's pretty straightforward, really. check the config in /boot to see if binmft support is compiled in (if not, make a custom kernel), then follow those instructions |
| 23:40.03 | pringat | krazykit, you were right: memory problem. I've just removed on card and now it works. Thanks a lot! |
| 23:40.08 | afaict | and... this is an interesting thing. i got debian running in my pendrive 8gb with cryptofs. its fast as 400mb/s. :D |
| 23:40.25 | afaict | krazykit thanks. lets see |
| 23:40.31 | killly0u | nice thumbdrive install |
| 23:41.20 | krazykit | pringat, lucky for you, that ram is probably dirt cheap nowadays :D |
| 23:42.07 | killly0u | http://www.netstumbler.com/2007/07/18/iphones-flooding-wireless-lan-at-duke-university/ |
| 23:42.09 | afaict | killly0u there were some customs like... initrd has a bug in /init script. I fixed. it was already reported. and i had to create a boot cd to boot my pendrive. my BIOS is old. |
| 23:42.42 | killly0u | ohh damn, but the boot disc really just loads a driver for usb? |
| 23:42.47 | killly0u | like prex |
| 23:43.31 | afaict | killly0u yeap. what meaning of prex ? |
| 23:43.41 | krazykit | probably like using floppies to boot from CDs on boards that don't support CD booting directly |
| 23:44.07 | afaict | killly0u @office and @home the BIOS is old. :-( but ... i will buy a new hw by ebay. |
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| 23:44.21 | afaict | killly0u i dont use harddisk no more |
| 23:44.36 | killly0u | in a pre execution environment you load drivers for various network cards (specific to the system) and from their it can load its os install from say, a tftpd |
| 23:44.50 | killly0u | no harddisk at all? |
| 23:45.05 | killly0u | i guess thats the only way to really keep all your data with you at all times |
| 23:45.07 | afaict | killly0u nop! thank god! i hate disks |
| 23:45.22 | killly0u | im getting ready to buy a couple 500s... |
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| 23:45.42 | afaict | killly0u yeap. im working on a robot project... i do it from office and home... :C |
| 23:46.09 | killly0u | lots of free time at the office or what ;D |
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| 23:46.57 | killly0u | i spend all day in a cold dark server room |
| 23:47.13 | killly0u | actually its not dark.. its bright as hell |
| 23:47.51 | afaict | killly0u lots of freetime. i used to be system analisys... now im internalship @ daimler chrysler or t-systems... |
| 23:48.01 | afaict | killly0u lol |
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| 23:48.35 | killly0u | hahah nice |
| 23:48.43 | killly0u | i work a edu... |
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| 23:48.58 | killly0u | needless to say things are slow moving there |
| 23:49.48 | level1 | Hi, I installed OSS 4.0 from the OSS website, and while most of my sound applications still work fine, Amarok won't play anything, complaining that it cannot find a decoder for mp3s |
| 23:49.55 | kantor | hi, I have some difficulties when I'm trying to connect my pppoe connection. It's working but the problem is that is not connecting automatically at boot time, the IP's are allocated for the ppp0 and eth0 devices but I need to restart the connection manually 2 times (/etc/init.d/network restart) to work |
| 23:49.58 | afaict | killly0u uhm. slow as when AIX has security fault the Daimler headquarters doesnt care... slow... never updated systems... always bugs in our LAN |
| 23:50.00 | kantor | what is the problem ? |
| 23:50.11 | level1 | I don't have a problem downgroading to alsa, I just want my sound to work |
| 23:50.27 | kantor | for example in FreeBSD works at boot time |
| 23:50.33 | afaict | level1 past your lspci | grep aud |
| 23:50.38 | killly0u | afaict awesome lolz sounds like my office |
| 23:50.49 | afaict | killly0u :D |
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| 23:50.53 | Dewi | are the debian perl packages synched with the perl package manager? |
| 23:51.03 | level1 | afaict: no results, but hold on, I'll tell you what my audio card is |
| 23:51.20 | level1 | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 23:51.32 | level1 | man, almost my entire computer is intel, lol |
| 23:51.35 | Azio | hello there, I've just installed a fresh version of etch in vmware! |
| 23:51.35 | Dewi | that is to say, if I need some perl thing not packaged by debian, will the perl package manager find dependancies that debian has installed? |
| 23:51.46 | afaict | level1 what version are you running ? |
| 23:51.49 | Azio | sound doesnt seem to work but speaker-test runs, just no sound |
| 23:51.57 | level1 | afaict: of what? Amarok? |
| 23:52.01 | Dewi | Azio: aah. I also run it, but I haven't tried to get sound |
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| 23:52.03 | level1 | afaict: 1.4 |
| 23:52.06 | krazykit | Dewi, it should find the deps, yes |
| 23:52.10 | Azio | heh Dewi :D |
| 23:52.14 | Azio | mmm |
| 23:52.20 | Azio | i've had it working, all i get is beep |
| 23:52.24 | Azio | (pc speaker) |
| 23:52.30 | killly0u | lol |
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| 23:52.41 | Dewi | krazykit: I'm a little frightened of the perl package manager. I'm not sure what I'm really asking :P |
| 23:52.44 | Azio | bah I'm obviously missing something like a configuration |
| 23:52.58 | afaict | level1 what debian are you running ? |
| 23:53.03 | level1 | afaict: sorry... lenny |
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| 23:53.22 | Azio | ohh |
| 23:53.24 | Azio | HAHA im such a twat |
| 23:53.28 | Azio | the volume was on too low :( |
| 23:53.29 | Azio | oh man |
| 23:53.32 | Dewi | krazykit: but I guess the general policy of "try debian then perl pkgs/cpan then manual install" should work best? |
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| 23:53.35 | Azio | hahaha |
| 23:53.39 | afaict | Azio probably. volume problem.? |
| 23:53.43 | afaict | Azio alsamixer ? |
| 23:53.49 | krazykit | Dewi, yep. |
| 23:53.49 | Azio | yeah it was a volume problem :) |
| 23:54.19 | level1 | Azio: don't be that upset. Theres so many different places that volume can be changed in linux, its annoying |
| 23:54.20 | afaict | Azio its common. i had this problem once a long time ago. now i dont get confused with this mistake. lol |
| 23:54.21 | killly0u | lmao @ <Azio> HAHA im such a twat |
| 23:54.38 | level1 | you can't say twat on the internet! |
| 23:54.41 | afaict | level1 still has no sound ? |
| 23:54.45 | killly0u | ohh he did. |
| 23:55.08 | afaict | level1 try modprobe snd-hda-intel |
| 23:55.10 | level1 | afaict: I have sound for other apps, but amarok gives an error when I try to play something |
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| 23:55.17 | afaict | level1 got it |
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| 23:55.32 | dippo | hi. I just upgraded a machine from sarge to etch, and ran into some issues with mysql, so I just removed the packages temporarily and proceeded |
| 23:55.42 | afaict | level1 talk with amarok. it should help. speak lough. WORK NOW! please? :D |
| 23:55.43 | dippo | now when I try to install mysql-server-4.1, it says it's "also" going to install mysql-server-5.0 |
| 23:55.49 | dippo | which sounds pretty screwy |
| 23:56.07 | afaict | level1 amarok confs or amarok --help u hadn't any setting ? |
| 23:56.31 | dippo | anyone know why? |
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| 23:56.38 | level1 | amarok has a place where you can tell it "I'm using oss, I'm using alsa, I'm using whatever" but it doesn't fix it |
| 23:56.49 | level1 | afaict: Error Loading MediaThere is no available decoder. |
| 23:57.01 | level1 | afaict: it comes up in a beige window |
| 23:57.09 | afaict | dippo i had the same problem a few months ago..mysql-4.1 was discon... they doesn't support this version anymore I guess |
| 23:57.24 | dippo | hm |
| 23:57.25 | afaict | level1 tried #amarok ? |
| 23:57.35 | killly0u | did you backup your dbs dippo? |
| 23:57.41 | dippo | yeah |
| 23:57.43 | afaict | dippo try apt-cache show mysql-4.1 |
| 23:57.43 | dippo | i have everything backed up |
| 23:57.48 | dippo | i can just move to 5.0 i guess |
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| 23:58.12 | afaict | dippo you wont have problem! i did the same with one system... |
| 23:58.29 | afaict | dippo merged to 5.0 with no problem at all |
| 23:58.31 | dippo | i just don't want our devs to get too comfortable with 5.0 cus they still have to deploy code to 4.1 systems :) |
| 23:58.34 | level1 | afaict: do you know how I can reinstall alsa? |
| 23:59.27 | afaict | level1 did u recompiled the kernel ? if you dont... alsa and OSS is always there... this is in the kernel.. you just need to load... the TOOLS to manage the device... you need the tools ? |
| 23:59.34 | afaict | level1 apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 23:59.46 | afaict | s/is always/are always |
| 23:59.55 | level1 | lol perl |
