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| 00:00.08 | afaict | :) |
| 00:02.30 | level1 | afaict: okay, another issue |
| 00:02.44 | afaict | level1 uhm |
| 00:02.54 | level1 | afaict: knetworkmanager hasn't been recognizing my wireles |
| 00:03.12 | afaict | level1 did sound worked ? |
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| 00:03.24 | level1 | afaict: I'm pretty sure i have the modules loaded. A program called kwifimanager seems to "work" |
| 00:03.30 | level1 | afaict: oh yeah, it did, thanks |
| 00:03.32 | afaict | level1 your wireless? uhm... im not using wifi for a while... i dont remember all |
| 00:03.38 | level1 | okay |
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| 00:04.40 | level1 | well, kwifimanager is able to log on to wireless networks, but web apps (browsers) still don't work ("Cannot Find Server Blah") |
| 00:04.55 | level1 | knetworkmanager worked before, but my drivers have been a bit screwy |
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| 00:08.10 | afaict | level1 check if your driver is loaded |
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| 00:08.35 | level1 | afaict: ipw3945 192964 1 <- Thats it |
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| 00:10.43 | afaict | level1 uhm... check debian wireless connection @ google. i dont remember the settings for that. |
| 00:10.59 | afaict | killly0u bye man. freuch mich! |
| 00:11.26 | MangosDebian | hey guys, recommendation for a good wiki? mediawiki has my attention so far due to its ties with wikipedia. opinions appreciated |
| 00:11.32 | killly0u | afaict i'll be around man |
| 00:11.44 | level1 | MangosDebian: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:11.45 | killly0u | good luck with the intern status |
| 00:11.49 | stew | MangosDebian: seems like everyone is settling on one of mediawiki/moinmoin/ikiwiki |
| 00:11.54 | afaict | killly0u danke! |
| 00:12.03 | afaict | killly0u i will come back! :D |
| 00:12.08 | afaict | cya |
| 00:12.11 | level1 | stew: why not? its as open sourcy as you can get |
| 00:12.16 | stew | MangosDebian: which are php/python/perl? and probably in decreasing amounts of glitzyness |
| 00:12.19 | MangosDebian | level1: setup a wiki. i havent even used one for edit/create though so I really don't know where to start |
| 00:12.25 | stew | level1: why not what? |
| 00:12.54 | MangosDebian | stew: well, it would be nice to find a wiki and possibly a forum both in perl. but i can settle for php as well. |
| 00:13.17 | xlotlu | any idea why the imagemagick bindings are not packaged in debian? |
| 00:13.35 | stew | MangosDebian: ikiwiki is perl and written by the debian-installer author |
| 00:13.38 | stew | xlotlu: they are |
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| 00:13.54 | stew | xlotlu: for which language are you looking for? |
| 00:14.23 | MangosDebian | stew: oh really :) ill have to check them out and see. thanks for the feedback |
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| 00:15.01 | xlotlu | stew: right now for python. but i stumbled across this issue for php before. i think only the C "official" bindings are packaged |
| 00:15.03 | thei0s | re, can anyone tell me what is the "right" way to report bugs and submit patches? |
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| 00:16.49 | stew | thei0s: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 00:17.00 | thei0s | ty |
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| 00:17.48 | stew | xlotlu: for php there is imagick, i don't know what is up with python |
| 00:18.00 | slid3r | is there a command similar to uname to tell which version of debian is installed on a machine (also I created the sources.list file by hand, so looking there is not the option I am looking for) |
| 00:18.14 | Hammar | if i am used to (and like) azureus, but can't get it to NOT screw up the whole system on lenny, what alternative would you recommend? |
| 00:18.25 | LightKnight | slid3r: not totally reliable, but anyway: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:18.40 | slid3r | trying |
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| 00:18.51 | slid3r | heh 4.0 |
| 00:18.55 | slid3r | but is it etch I wonder |
| 00:18.57 | LightKnight | but it just depends on base-files' version, so beware :) |
| 00:19.03 | LightKnight | 4.0 is etch, IIRC. |
| 00:19.05 | LightKnight | !etch |
| 00:19.05 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
| 00:19.13 | LightKnight | hooray :-) |
| 00:19.22 | slid3r | sweeeeet |
| 00:19.25 | slid3r | much thanks |
| 00:19.28 | slid3r | much much |
| 00:19.35 | LightKnight | slid3r: welcome :) |
| 00:19.44 | stew | xlotlu: PythonMagick seems to not come with a distribution licesnse |
| 00:20.00 | xlotlu | stew: the one for php is an extension from pecl, built against the C library. same with the perl extension... i fin it rather weird that the official bindings are not packaged given there are official bindings |
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| 00:20.02 | nevyn | I have a usb device plugged in to my computer for charging.. but it doesn't appear to have ANY configurations at all. |
| 00:20.13 | nevyn | which means that it only gets 100mA |
| 00:20.30 | nevyn | does anyone know a way to force higher power? |
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| 00:20.45 | nevyn | (yes I know that the device is out of spec yada yada yada |
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| 00:20.55 | stew | xlotlu: well i only looked at the official python bindings and I'm no longer suprised that they aren't packaged |
| 00:21.20 | xlotlu | stew: no distribution license.. meaning? |
| 00:21.33 | stew | xlotlu: meaning debian has no permission to distribute them |
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| 00:22.52 | xlotlu | stew: i can find no licensing terms for the bindings. or is the problem the lack of them? |
| 00:23.56 | stew | xlotlu: yes, the lack thereof |
| 00:24.09 | Hammar | is there a way to read pgp-encrypted messages in slypheed? |
| 00:24.26 | cast | Hammar: sure, setup gpg |
| 00:24.45 | nevyn | the lsusb -v is at http://paste.debian.net/33020 |
| 00:25.32 | Hammar | cast: i am talking about non-claws, non-gtk2 slypheed |
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| 00:25.48 | Hammar | (if that makes a difference) |
| 00:26.08 | Hammar | and as far as i can tell, gpg is set up :/ |
| 00:26.18 | valdyn | sylpheed-gtk1 vs sylpheed |
| 00:26.27 | stew | xlotlu: you might check for an itp/rfp for the python bindings and see if anyone has tried to do anything about it |
| 00:27.33 | xlotlu | stew: where are the rfps? |
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| 00:28.22 | cast | sylpheed-gtk1 supposes gpg, ots imder the privacy tab in preferences for new account |
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| 00:29.37 | cast | supports gpg, its under* |
| 00:30.05 | Hammar | nevermind... slypheed just does not recognize inline-pgp |
| 00:30.14 | stew | xlotlu: http://debian.org/devel/wnpp "packages being worked on" (/msg dpkg wnpp ; /msg dpkg itp ; /msg dpkg rfp) |
| 00:30.15 | Hammar | copy and paste it is then |
| 00:30.27 | xlotlu | thanks |
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| 00:34.13 | level1 | I was using version 6.something of kpowersave. I tried to upgrade to 7.0.2, but etch didn't have the neccessary packages so the install was broken. Aptitude downgraded it back to 6. I then upgraded to lenny, and while everything else when smoothy, version 7 of kpowersave now crashes whenever I try to bring up the configuration window. |
| 00:34.16 | celt1c | hey guys i need some help with gparted, i have one drive that i wanna split up so i can dual boot win xp and Elive. do i resize my drive down and then use that free space to create a partition? |
| 00:34.28 | level1 | I tried removing it with purge and reinstalling, to no avail |
| 00:34.40 | level1 | celt1c: thats the basic idea |
| 00:35.07 | abrotman | celt1c: what does this have to do with debian ? |
| 00:35.18 | celt1c | do i have to unmount the drive? i am acutally running gparted from the livecd of Elive while running Elive if u know what i mean |
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| 00:35.29 | celt1c | well Elive is based on Debian i think |
| 00:35.48 | level1 | celt1c: yeah, unmount the drive |
| 00:35.55 | celt1c | ok |
| 00:36.04 | celt1c | anything else i should know, im not 100 percent sure i know what im diong |
| 00:36.17 | abrotman | celt1c: then ask #elive .. not us |
| 00:36.20 | celt1c | should i create 3 different partitions? |
| 00:36.22 | level1 | gparted won't let you reformat without unmounting, i think |
| 00:36.26 | nevyn | 1/win 1 |
| 00:36.32 | level1 | celt1c: well, you backed up, right? |
| 00:36.34 | celt1c | ohk sry |
| 00:36.37 | celt1c | ya |
| 00:36.37 | nevyn | oops :) |
| 00:36.59 | level1 | 1/win is a divide by zero error or something, right? |
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| 00:37.30 | nevyn | something like that. |
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| 00:37.49 | level1 | you divided by zero.... oh sh-- |
| 00:38.54 | ampex | is anyone intimately familiar with software raid 5 performance on 2.6.18 or something thereabouts? |
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| 00:40.00 | abrotman | ampex: that's a bit vague |
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| 00:42.39 | ampex | abrotman: I'm just trying to get a feel for whether my numbers are typical |
| 00:42.49 | level1 | ampex |
| 00:42.55 | level1 | ampex: what are you getting? |
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| 00:43.29 | ampex | level1: about the speed of a single drive, with higher CPU usage during writes for obvious reasons |
| 00:43.43 | ampex | level1: 3-4 sata drives at 7200rpm in raid5 with lvm and ext3 |
| 00:44.03 | level1 | ampex: have you tried those drives alone? |
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| 00:45.08 | ampex | level1: briefly, and I believe I actually get slightly better results with a single drive |
| 00:45.34 | abrotman | ampex: there are tons of variables |
| 00:45.44 | ampex | level1: they're 16mb 3Gbps |
| 00:46.01 | level1 | ampex: I never used raid, so i don't know, but my next computer will probabaly be raid 5, so I'm more than a little curious |
| 00:46.15 | abrotman | ampex: you will get slightly better with single drives |
| 00:46.46 | ampex | I've seen hardware RAID 5 perform rather well, 3ware in specific, but linux software RAID really seems to max out at about 50-60MB/sec |
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| 00:46.50 | level1 | abrotman: really? whats the point of raid? |
| 00:47.02 | ampex | Even on modern hardware, dual core CPU, 2GB RAM, etc. |
| 00:47.03 | abrotman | level1: uhm .. it's RAID |
| 00:47.20 | ampex | I imagine I'd see much better results with RAID 1+0 |
| 00:47.29 | abrotman | the read of RAID shuld be a bit faster .. write should be a bit slower |
| 00:47.49 | cast | regarding linux raid, dunno what configuration, but people in here were getting 500MB/s |
| 00:48.07 | ampex | probably many disks in a RAID 1+0 or RAID 0+1 setup |
| 00:48.19 | level1 | abrotman: so in terms of percieved real performance on a desktop system, where I'm likely to compile programs, watch movies, etc... whats my best bet? |
| 00:48.53 | abrotman | level1: depends how much you value your data |
| 00:48.59 | ampex | level1: RAID 1 if you just want redundancy, RAID 1+0 if you want speed and redundancy, RAID 5 only if you're cheap and want redundancy |
| 00:49.13 | ampex | level1: a hot spare is always a good idea regardless |
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| 00:49.22 | level1 | ampex: raid 5 if your cheap? |
| 00:49.25 | abrotman | raid 0+1 is expensive for what it gets you |
| 00:49.40 | level1 | oh, because you have less space |
| 00:49.47 | level1 | per hard drive |
| 00:50.04 | abrotman | RAID5 is cheap and gets you decent performance and lower number of "wasted" drives |
| 00:50.33 | abrotman | !baarf |
| 00:50.35 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 00:51.02 | ampex | abrotman: I notice that the activity lights for the drives in my RAID5 array seem to show sporadic writes/reads, as in "write/read a lot, pause, write/read a lot, pause", etc. |
| 00:51.09 | ampex | abrotman: I wonder where the bottleneck lies |
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| 00:51.24 | abrotman | level1: there's nothing really wrong with RAID5 .. but there are faster ways to store data .. but it's a good middle-of-the-road way to store data |
| 00:51.50 | abrotman | ampex: in the controller cache perhaps ? |
| 00:52.07 | ampex | abrotman: just Intel ICH7, I don't believe there's any cache |
| 00:52.27 | abrotman | isthat real raid5 ? or swraid ? |
| 00:52.33 | level1 | abrotman: hmm... yeah, I'm not sure how much I want to spend or how much space I "really" need |
| 00:52.35 | civiltechie | On the topic of RAID, does anyone have a recommendation for a solid performing 8+ channel PCI-X hardware RAID card under Debian or Ubuntu? |
| 00:52.46 | ampex | abrotman: swraid |
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| 00:53.02 | abrotman | ampex: ah .. probably just the FS cache/buffers |
| 00:53.07 | ampex | I've seen around 200-300MB/sec with 3ware controllers and 8 disk RAID5 |
| 00:53.10 | abrotman | ampex: try mounting it sync and watch it light up :) |
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| 00:53.36 | ampex | I'm messing with ext3 stride parameters right now |
| 00:53.39 | ampex | seeing if it helps performance at all |
| 00:53.42 | abrotman | stripe ? |
| 00:54.02 | abrotman | level1: those are things to determine before you start |
| 00:54.31 | ampex | civiltechie: the best hardware RAID controllers for Linux seem to be 3ware brand |
| 00:54.42 | syntaxx | anyone here tried using cups on a network printer? |
| 00:54.50 | Winkie | hey guys, running debian sid and i can't seem to set the affinity of a process |
| 00:55.01 | Winkie | well i set it, but it still seems to cause spikes on the second processor |
| 00:55.13 | Winkie | it often looks like its being swapped |
| 00:55.21 | Winkie | and by second processor i mean second core |
| 00:55.27 | ampex | civiltechie: they have great driver support, even smartd can manage to check drives running on the controller |
| 00:55.41 | abrotman | ampex: 3ware or adaptec .. though the ibm serveraid seem nice for scsi/sas |
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| 00:55.55 | ampex | I'm not a big adaptec fan |
| 00:56.03 | ampex | but it depends on whether we're talking SCSI or SATA |
| 00:56.12 | ampex | SATA/SAS |
| 00:56.13 | civiltechie | I'm after SATA or SAS |
| 00:56.32 | ampex | civiltechie: I'd say 3ware or lsi |
| 00:56.46 | ampex | I actually have a 3ware card I'm looking to eBay :) |
| 00:56.49 | ampex | 8 port PCI-X too |
| 00:56.54 | civiltechie | Why? |
| 00:57.06 | ampex | got a 16 port instead |
| 00:57.33 | civiltechie | Ah |
| 00:57.46 | civiltechie | I had (have) a highpoint. |
| 00:58.03 | civiltechie | It worked great for a few years. |
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| 00:58.07 | ampex | what's nice about 3ware is that you can move from an old generation controller to a newer one with perhaps more ports and maintain your arrays and data |
| 00:58.15 | ampex | highpoint is in a whole different league |
| 00:58.25 | ampex | highpoint/promise are the low end players in the market |
| 00:58.29 | ampex | I've never liked any of their gear |
| 00:58.30 | civiltechie | Ahha. |
| 00:58.40 | civiltechie | That would explain my nightmares, heheh. |
| 00:58.55 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 00:58.55 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
| 00:58.56 | ampex | what type of RAID are you looking to do? |
| 00:59.37 | civiltechie | I'm thinking 5 or 10. |
| 00:59.54 | civiltechie | Performance is not an issue so much as reliability. |
| 01:00.02 | civiltechie | This is an offsite backup cluster. |
| 01:00.24 | civiltechie | I don't want to visit it in person more than a few times a year. |
| 01:00.46 | civiltechie | And have a low end techie replace any dead drives for me. |
| 01:00.58 | civiltechie | Reliability is the biggest concern. |
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| 01:02.52 | whooper_ | hello... could anyone tell me where to find some kind of startup script for X, where i can add commands? |
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| 01:07.59 | liable | whooper_: make an .xinitrc in your /home |
| 01:08.10 | liable | !startx |
| 01:08.10 | dpkg | well, startx is a script that starts the X Window System , configure X before starting it. If the rest of X seems present, try getting xbase-clients. see starting gnome, or the way god intended X to be started. Issue 'startx <command> <xclient-options> -- <server> <xserver-options>' to specify specific client to start. Session will exit when that client exits. |
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| 01:08.43 | whooper_ | liable: ok thanks.. and then just put the commands like i would write them in a shell? |
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| 01:13.46 | whoooper | umm... when i put an .xinitrc in my homedir, even if its empty, startx refuses to start... =/ any idea why? |
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| 01:16.41 | level1 | whoooper: donno... are you using kde or gnome or what? |
| 01:16.57 | whoooper | level1: nah.. just openbox, nothing more |
| 01:17.16 | level1 | whoooper: you could just put the stuff you want to do in an autostart script, do they have those is openbox? |
| 01:17.46 | whoooper | level1: not sure really.. |
| 01:18.27 | level1 | whoooper: I guess I'd never use something so simplistic, but I like complicated things, I'm an anomoly |
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| 01:18.49 | baikonur | hi |
| 01:18.57 | whoooper | level1: apparently there is an autostart script.... thanks for the tip :) i'm on an old laptop, so kde would be a bit overkill i think :) |
| 01:19.25 | level1 | speaking of complicated things, I have a program that is borked... it might be a packaging issue, but remove --purge + install doesn't work |
| 01:19.30 | level1 | the program is kpowersave |
| 01:20.08 | baikonur | how can I make terminal connection to a device via the serial port? |
| 01:20.10 | level1 | basically, I tried upgrading it, and the upgrade was broken, so aptitude downgraded it |
| 01:20.26 | level1 | then I upgraded to lenny from etch, and now its upgraded but it doesn't work |
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| 01:22.30 | Azar | abrotman, seen this ?:) http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/4623 |
| 01:22.47 | Azar | that should be a movie title |
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| 01:25.07 | Azar | or titles like: The Complete Idiot's Guide to Writing Shell Extensions < real tutorial |
| 01:25.53 | abrotman | ah .. no |
| 01:26.28 | stoned | Azar: my man! whats up |
| 01:26.40 | Azar | stoned! what up? |
| 01:26.52 | stoned | just being blown away by good music |
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| 01:27.21 | Azar | I bought me a wrapped piano |
| 01:27.44 | Azar | you know the one that you roll, like a sheet... |
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| 01:27.56 | stoned | I asked one of my techs to check a psu today. I bareboned 2 mobos on it, both not working. I said let me see it, and I checked the psu, and whaddya know, the only thing working about +5rail |
| 01:28.06 | stoned | completely fried the other two mobos |
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| 01:28.12 | stoned | I had to yell at him. :/ |
| 01:28.18 | Azar | hehe |
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| 01:28.45 | stoned | Azar: I am not aware of such a piano. link me a pic |
| 01:29.15 | Azar | hmm ok let me find it... |
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| 01:33.28 | Azar | stoned: http://www.hsn.com/cnt/prod/default.aspx?webp_id=2506739&web_id=2506739&ocm=sekw |
| 01:33.58 | stoned | man |
| 01:34.03 | stoned | its misleading |
| 01:34.06 | stoned | its not a piano |
| 01:34.10 | stoned | it a keyboard |
| 01:34.27 | stoned | I was wondering how in heck could you roll up a piano |
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| 01:34.55 | Azar | hehe, well keyboard, but plays lots of instruments too |
| 01:35.01 | Supaplex | mmmm reeses pieces are tEh yummies |
| 01:35.02 | stoned | yeh, synth keyboard |
| 01:35.08 | stoned | ohhh |
| 01:35.17 | stoned | I like peanuts, and I love butter. |
| 01:35.28 | stoned | I can't stand peanut butter. I |
| 01:35.40 | krazykit | that makes no sense |
| 01:35.49 | stoned | why? |
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| 01:36.06 | stoned | it makes perfect sense |
| 01:36.11 | krazykit | well, it makes no sense to state your love of peanuts and butter while noting you hate peanut butter |
| 01:36.15 | krazykit | they're entirely unrelated |
| 01:36.16 | \amethyst | stoned: usually there's no butter in peanut butter |
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| 01:36.30 | stoned | \amethyst: well, I just don't like the taste of it |
| 01:36.34 | level1 | is there a way to list the availiable versions of a package? |
| 01:36.42 | stoned | I also dislike honey roasted peanuts. I like dry roasted/salted |
| 01:36.55 | abrotman | apt-cache show |
| 01:36.59 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 01:36.59 | dpkg | somebody said refcard was A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 01:37.49 | level1 | abrotman: that only shows the latest version. I want to see the versions before that |
| 01:38.03 | abrotman | why? |
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| 01:38.17 | xlotlu | what's the operation apt-get source runs after downloading (the decompressing and applying patches)? |
| 01:38.41 | level1 | abrotman: a program has been crashing when I open the configure dialog. I tried reinstalling, even purging, many times. I think it might be a packaging issue |
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| 01:38.47 | Rockj | I'm wondering if dev's is intressted in my kernel.log which says "kernel: BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!" |
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| 01:38.51 | level1 | abrotman: the program is kpowersave |
| 01:38.53 | Rockj | since my system locked itself up. |
| 01:39.00 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 01:39.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 01:39.46 | Azar | Retiring the lenny sparc32 port |
| 01:40.01 | Azar | kiking poor sparc |
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| 01:41.56 | level1 | abrotman: I tried to upgrade to 0.7.2 from 0.6.2 under etch. I didn't have all the dependancies, so it was listed as a broken install. aptitude later downgraded it back to 0.6.2. I then upgraded to lenny, and the package was automatically upgraded to 0.7.2, but now it crashes |
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| 01:42.08 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:42.14 | abrotman | !info kpowersave etch |
| 01:42.18 | dpkg | kpowersave: (frontend to powersave for setting user specific policies), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.6.2-4 (etch), Packaged size: 3218 kB, Installed size: 4984 kB |
| 01:42.26 | abrotman | don't mix versions of debian .. it will break |
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| 01:44.32 | level1 | abrotman: I found a bug report that matches mine |
| 01:44.54 | abrotman | that's what you get |
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| 01:48.04 | kaloyan | hey gyus i just found out that /etc/hosts was missing from my system and i was wondering how does it come to the system(part of some package?)and how i managed without it |
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| 01:49.45 | Supaplex | kaloyan: /etc/hosts isn't that critical. it's mainly for ip addresses not available via dns. eg, localhost. also, there's usually an alias for the machine you're using there to. (saves dns lookups that commonly occur for your own hostname) |
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| 01:51.16 | Supaplex | !/etc/hosts |
| 01:51.17 | dpkg | format of /etc/hosts: 'IP_NUMBER FULL_HOSTNAME ALIAS', eg: '3.1.33.7 eleet.org eyeyam', or a sort of cheat sheet for the computer to do some hostname-to-ip look ups without going through dns. |
| 01:51.39 | kaloyan | well does its absence mean that till now i relied on the dns server for resolving "localhost" |
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| 01:52.29 | Supaplex | yes. |
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| 01:52.46 | kaloyan | ha funny |
| 01:52.49 | kaloyan | thanx |
| 01:53.50 | kaloyan | do you know part of which package it is |
| 01:54.51 | Azar | hehehe, Linus dislikes Debian! |
| 01:55.22 | liable | article? |
| 01:55.50 | kaloyan | Azar:WHY |
| 01:55.50 | Azar | http://www.oneopensource.it/interview-linus-torvalds/ |
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| 01:57.32 | Azar | Linus: " So the only major distribution Ive never used has actually been Debian, exactly because that has traditionally been harder to install. Which sounds kind of strange, since Debian is also considered to be the hard-core technical distribution, but thats literally exactly what I personally do not want n a distro. " |
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| 01:58.27 | ozatomic^ | Is tehre a command to watch what ip connects or trys to connect to a port? |
| 01:58.43 | Azar | now... forgive me honorables if I sound awkward, but reading more and more Linus' proclamations, interviews the more it looks to me like a Gate-ism, he seems to "approve", "agree" with Gate's concepts |
| 01:59.01 | cast | hmm |
| 01:59.08 | cast | i like what he says. |
| 01:59.12 | cast | its a good thing! |
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| 01:59.57 | Heston | debian is hard to install? are you joking? |
| 01:59.57 | Azar | he, like Gates seems to adhere and deploy the " Give your customers what they want. " slogan which is a bullshi. excuse my expression |
| 02:01.02 | Azar | Debian is hard to install for Linus and ERS... those guys don't have time to learn, read, try. They like windows-like installers and desktops |
| 02:01.05 | kaloyan | ozatomic^ netstat and netcat maybe |
| 02:01.36 | Heston | the debian installer doesnt require any previous knowledge to use |
| 02:01.41 | Heston | more like common sense |
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| 02:02.20 | Azar | Heston: my first and only distro was and is Debian and I learned it back on woody heydays, as a newbie, and Linus say is hard to install.... what a joke |
| 02:02.42 | Heston | Azar, it just goes to show how much his opinion is worth |
| 02:02.49 | Heston | yet people think of him as a god |
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| 02:03.37 | Supaplex | common sense isn't common enough I'm afraid. sad. |
| 02:04.19 | Heston | common sense is only available if you have a remote sense of logic |
| 02:04.23 | Azar | Heston: his latest rants about GPLv3 made him look a lot like Theo de Raadt.. |
| 02:04.26 | Heston | not too many do |
| 02:04.52 | Heston | Azar, in which aspect? |
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| 02:05.04 | level1 | is there a trick to pinning? no matter what version of kpowersave I request, even ones that show up on snapshot.debian.org, aptitude says "Unable to find a version "X.X.X-X" for the package "kpowersave" " and installs the newest version |
| 02:05.05 | Azar | Heston: in rudeness and bad manners |
| 02:05.41 | Azar | well in fact, I am contemplating lately to try moving away from using linux kernel which it seems more and more blobbed... |
| 02:05.58 | Azar | gonna be the future "windows" in the markets |
| 02:06.05 | Heston | Azar, well if you atleast have the intelligence to back that rudeness, which i might say Theo does - it's somewhat acceptable |
| 02:06.24 | cast | theo is great. i like him. |
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| 02:07.18 | Azar | Heston: indeed Theo has a disgusting temper but he fights for his stuff, Linus seems he just does not care (from the article)... he blabs without a clue |
| 02:07.39 | vinay | im trying to hibernate.. and it seems to just shut itself off... this soundlike i have something basic not working right .. thoughts? |
| 02:07.54 | Heston | if the linux kernel was so great, it wouldnt have to be patched and recompiled for every distro |
| 02:07.56 | maasha | hi |
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| 02:08.22 | maasha | is it very wrong to assume that bittorrent is the thrid most used protocol for file transfer? |
| 02:08.31 | maasha | after http and ftp? |
| 02:08.33 | maasha | or what? |
| 02:08.44 | cast | depends how you define 'most used' |
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| 02:08.51 | cast | bandwidth? users? connections? |
| 02:08.55 | maasha | traffic amount |
| 02:08.58 | Azar | Heston: nothing is great but Linus seems to push the versions like the donuts on a factory line.. |
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| 02:09.12 | Heston | bittorrent accounts for a large portion of todays global bandwidth usuage |
| 02:09.16 | cast | it might be the most used traffic wise, |
| 02:09.38 | maasha | WP say it uses 10-30% of current traffic, but it is hard to meassure |
| 02:09.50 | maasha | and that makes bittorrent third or something? |
| 02:09.56 | Azar | hehe I bet he prefers pico over vi too... |
| 02:10.11 | Heston | Azar, basically, if it compiles, he releases it |
| 02:11.38 | Azar | Linus: " Ill take the nice ones with simple installers etc, because to me, thats the whole and only point of using a distribution in the first place. " <<< doesn't that sound familiar... like a clueless window user moving to Ubuntu ? |
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| 02:12.52 | Azar | and damn I am a stupid noob with no idea of programming whatsoever, and dare to laugh at the creator of the linux kernel! shame on me! |
| 02:13.04 | Heston | well I'll admit, it's nice to have software that just works and is purely intuitive |
| 02:13.32 | cast | it is. |
| 02:13.36 | cast | but very difficult to do |
| 02:13.54 | Heston | I'd like to be produtive and not have to do additional work before i can do so |
| 02:14.20 | Heston | so as configuring specific apps or dealing with programming errors |
| 02:14.29 | Heston | s/so/such |
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| 02:16.39 | yos | http://www.pastebin.ca/625628 Warning: socket_getpeername(): |
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| 02:18.15 | yos | what is this socket_getpeername waring ? |
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| 02:19.39 | Azar | tarzeaux |
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| 02:26.50 | stoned | Azar: are you working yet? |
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| 02:36.22 | Aymen | hi guys |
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| 02:40.29 | Aymen | is there any body |
| 02:40.35 | Aymen | I need some help |
| 02:40.48 | cafuego | !ask |
| 02:40.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 02:40.49 | abrotman | just ask |
| 02:41.23 | Aymen | thanx, I'm using debian 4.0 for the first time today |
| 02:41.39 | Aymen | and I need to know how to install lilo |
| 02:41.49 | stoned | use grub instead |
| 02:42.32 | Aymen | i have grub but i wanna use lilo |
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| 02:43.01 | dondelelcaro | Aymen: you can just aptitude install lilo; but you probably will be happier with grub unless there's a specific reason why grub won't work for you. |
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| 02:43.51 | Aymen | nothing wrong with grub but I'm familiar with lilo |
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| 02:45.41 | vinay | hmm, I hook up a monitor to VGA port on my laptop and it works but resolution is wrong... how can i tell X to use 2 different resolutions based on the output screen? |
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| 02:46.09 | dondelelcaro | Aymen: well, you may want to get familiar with grub... there are a lot of things it can do that makes it far superior to lilo. |
| 02:46.24 | ElllisD | I somehow borked my home folder permissions last week, making it & subs available & writable to all- what should default be? |
| 02:46.47 | Aymen | ok dondelelcaro |
| 02:46.50 | dondelelcaro | ElllisD: depends; 755 or 750 is reasonable. |
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| 02:47.44 | Aymen | and is there a way to configure grub with the graphic mode? |
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| 02:48.22 | dondelelcaro | Aymen: in general you shouldn't have to configure it. The installer and the kernel packages take care of that all for you |
| 02:48.35 | ElllisD | dondelelcaro: I'm only familiar with the permissions tab in konq- what do the numbers mean? |
| 02:48.42 | dondelelcaro | !file permissions |
| 02:48.49 | simonrvn | owner, group, other |
| 02:49.06 | notserpe_ | how to I resolve a dependency with apt-get where php5-cgi depends on =5.1.2 but 5.1.2-1ubuntu3.1 is to be installed? |
| 02:49.10 | dondelelcaro | !+permissions |
| 02:49.10 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages |
| 02:49.12 | Aymen | for example modify the delay, the default system... |
| 02:49.24 | simonrvn | then, rwx, x being 1, w being 2 and r being 4 |
| 02:49.33 | cafuego | notserpe_: Try not running Ubuntu apckages on DEbian. |
| 02:49.34 | simonrvn | so, rwx is 7 |
| 02:49.41 | dondelelcaro | Aymen: the delay and everything is set in /boot/grub/menu.lst; you can just edit that file and adjust it if you want |
| 02:49.49 | notserpe_ | it's ubuntu on ubuntu. |
| 02:49.58 | dondelelcaro | notserpe_: then you want to ask #ubuntu |
| 02:50.01 | cafuego | notserpe_: You're asking on the wong channel then. |
| 02:50.06 | simonrvn | #ubuntu _> that way |
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| 02:50.10 | simonrvn | -> even |
| 02:50.17 | notserpe_ | ah. isn't ubuntu debian? we're talking apt-get here notthing too special. |
| 02:50.24 | krazykit | !ubuntu |
| 02:50.25 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu - See also <based on debian caveats>. |
| 02:50.27 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 02:50.28 | ElllisD | thanks, guys |
| 02:50.37 | cafuego | notserpe_: No, they're different distros that happen to both use the .deb package format. |
| 02:50.47 | simonrvn | no it's not debian. |
| 02:50.48 | Aymen | yes I did that already..but I just wanted to know if we can do that with graphic mode |
| 02:51.15 | dondelelcaro | Aymen: someone may have a configuration file editor for it, but I've not seen it |
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| 02:51.34 | Aymen | ok thank you |
| 02:51.36 | Aymen | bye |
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| 02:54.11 | dewey | good day mates |
| 02:57.18 | dewey | I am here on my new debian etch install :) |
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| 03:04.54 | runev | what would be a light replacement for Esetroot, simply used to set wallpapers from console? |
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| 03:11.19 | dondelelcaro | runev: feh |
| 03:11.51 | dondelelcaro | runev: with the added benefit of it also being a really good image viewer |
| 03:14.10 | runev | dondelelcaro: nice one, seems to be just what i wanted. thank you. |
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| 03:15.04 | liable | hrm, i wonder if debian will nedd to fork cups |
| 03:15.07 | liable | need |
| 03:15.33 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro: i take it your aware of dpkg having lagged !find's already? |
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| 03:17.56 | MangosDebian | about what I figure too, still nice to mention it |
| 03:18.08 | runev | when adding lines to ~/.xinitrc doesn't work, where should i land commands i want to start up after fluxbox - such as a terminal, setting a bg etc? |
| 03:18.21 | runev | been a while since i've tried linux at all :) |
| 03:18.25 | zinx | runev: remove .xinitrc, use .xsession |
| 03:18.42 | zinx | runev: you may need to +x it |
| 03:18.48 | runev | zinx: alrighty, will do |
| 03:19.12 | zinx | runev: but it won't start them after fluxbox |
| 03:19.41 | zinx | runev: you can start them before, backgrounded (& at the end) and end the script with exec fluxbox though :/ |
| 03:21.19 | runev | zinx: found that out now, but heck, it does the job good enough :) |
| 03:21.42 | zinx | aye |
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| 03:22.32 | zinx | runev: i should note that it's important you use exec as the very last thing - otherwise the shell will execute random stuff if you alter the script then quit your WM :) |
| 03:23.52 | runev | zinx: sounds bad, but it should be okay now :) |
| 03:24.07 | haxality_ | runev, try checking in your ~/.fluxbox/ directory for a file called 'startup' |
| 03:25.09 | runev | haxality_: i know openbox has such functionality, but haven't seen it so far in fluxbox |
| 03:25.43 | haxality_ | oh, that's odd, every time I've used the archive version of fluxbox it's given me that file |
| 03:26.33 | runev | might it be called slitlist? |
| 03:27.02 | runev | nothing else i can see that can match it, even ~/.fluxbox/init isn't it. |
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| 03:28.29 | haxality_ | :/ |
| 03:28.41 | haxality_ | no.. it's definitely called Startup and nothing else. |
| 03:28.43 | haxality_ | crud. |
| 03:28.48 | zoidy | is there any way, with Privoxy, to make sites not be able to detect I am using a proxy server? |
| 03:29.03 | haxality_ | zoidy, the only way they can know is if you're using an open proxy |
| 03:29.04 | runev | non the less, i see what you mean :) i'll look into it later though, still lots of stuff to learn for me about fluxbox so :) |
| 03:29.14 | haxality_ | runev, it's my favorite lightweight WM |
| 03:29.30 | haxality_ | runev, just bear this in mind: everything is configured with text files. |
| 03:29.31 | zoidy | haxality_: I see, thanks |
| 03:29.55 | haxality_ | zoidy, the way sites figure out you're using a proxy is they check your IP against the common proxy lists |
| 03:30.02 | haxality_ | zoidy, if it matches, boom, no connection |
| 03:30.10 | runev | haxality_: i know, i used blackbox about 3-4 years ago, but haven't touched linux in just as long so .. still a bit more to learn :) been trying to battle myself between openbox and fluxbox so far |
| 03:30.28 | haxality_ | oh.. I can't speak with any authority on it, I've never used openbox |
| 03:30.30 | haxality_ | but flux is so fun |
| 03:30.32 | zoidy | haxality_: weird then, the proxy is from my own server, none knows the IP |
| 03:30.45 | haxality_ | zoidy, sounds like something else funky is going on |
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| 03:31.02 | zoidy | haxality_: I wonder if privoxy forwards my real IP |
| 03:31.06 | haxality_ | zoidy, again, I'm sorta out of my element, I'm networking-retarded for the most part |
| 03:31.13 | haxality_ | zoidy, yeah, I'd be willing to bet something like that is going on |
| 03:31.16 | runev | haxality_: the original developer of openbox is a irl friend, so he's gonna hate me when i tell him i liked fluxbox better tomorrow .. but, oh well :) |
| 03:31.22 | haxality_ | ahahahahaha |
| 03:31.29 | haxality_ | that happens in the OSS community, runev :) |
| 03:31.36 | haxality_ | we try to keep a sense of humor about us |
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| 03:32.37 | runev | haxality_: hehe :) |
| 03:32.41 | vasi | hi, i'm having DNS troubles...could somebody give me an IP for google, so i can try and fix them? |
| 03:32.58 | haxality_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.02 | vasi | at least i had the IP for freenode sitting in my xchat logs :-) |
| 03:33.07 | haxality_ | vasi, I have 3 more if that one won't work |
| 03:33.09 | vasi | thanks |
| 03:33.19 | haxality_ | vasi, I hate when DNS is broken, it makes everything else so much harder |
| 03:33.33 | vasi | yeah, i have to stuff some IPs for google in my /etc/hosts |
| 03:33.47 | vasi | so next time this happens, i don't have to grep through my whole system looking for IPs |
| 03:33.49 | haxality_ | ueaj |
| 03:33.53 | haxality_ | yeah, seriously |
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| 03:35.18 | jazzanova | hi |
| 03:35.26 | jazzanova | can debian block outgoing port 25 ? |
| 03:36.34 | runev | hm, one thing that bugs me with iceweasel, noobish of me to ask perhaps, but still - 90% of my regularly visited websited look like crap all of a sudden, seems to be that etch doesn't have the same default fonts installed compared to windows - any way i can fix this easily, or atleast read up on it? |
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| 03:38.28 | vasi | runev, try choosing another default font? |
| 03:39.38 | liable | get msstcorefonts |
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| 03:41.05 | vasi | woo, DNS is worky again |
| 03:41.12 | runev | is there a deb package for that vasi? |
| 03:41.31 | vasi | runev, for choosing a default font? |
| 03:41.36 | vasi | you just use the prefs |
| 03:41.42 | vasi | in iceweasel/gnome/kde etc |
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| 03:42.19 | Seb | runev: what liable say, will help |
| 03:42.21 | Gigantic | .!Boo |
| 03:42.40 | Seb | s/say/said/ |
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| 03:42.51 | GhostlyDeath | Where are fonts stored? |
| 03:42.56 | runev | oh, my bad vasi, i thought msstcorefonts was a font package, like xfonts-base :) |
| 03:43.02 | Seb | GhostlyDeath: dpkg -L thepackagethatinstalledthem |
| 03:43.11 | Gigantic | GhostlyDeath: /usr/share/fonts |
| 03:43.14 | vasi | ah, the ms fonts are a package, yes |
| 03:43.16 | liable | it is a font package |
| 03:43.16 | GhostlyDeath | Gigantic, thanks |
| 03:43.25 | ampex | does anyone know if disabling a sata drive's write cache using hdparm and/or blktool does the same thing? |
| 03:43.28 | Gigantic | GhostlyDeath: or fonts:// in konqueror |
| 03:44.04 | runev | vasi and liable, that's odd, can't seem to find it anywhere |
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| 03:44.13 | liable | its in non-free |
| 03:44.38 | runev | ah, that's might explain it |
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| 03:45.40 | runev | there, found it :) |
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| 04:10.57 | dfinn | is there an easy way to force traffic out of an interface? i've been playing with the -I option with ping but I'm not sure that does what I want |
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| 04:15.35 | vorpal | routing table |
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| 04:19.02 | dfinn | without modifying the routing table? |
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| 04:19.47 | vorpal | what are you trying to do? |
| 04:19.54 | mosno | dfinn: the iproute2 package plus iptables MARK |
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| 04:20.59 | dfinn | here's what i'm trying to do. it's a RHEL server that keep crashing. we have configured netdump which should be dumping crash info to a remote server but it's not working. the server keeps crashing and we get no info as to why |
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| 04:21.31 | dfinn | in the netdump config I have specified for netdump to use the backup interface to send out the netdump |
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| 04:22.02 | dfinn | but what I'm not sure of is if traffic going out the backup interface will actually hit the IP we specified as the netdump server |
| 04:22.51 | dfinn | does that make sense? |
| 04:22.52 | vorpal | that should be easy to verify |
| 04:22.59 | dfinn | the backup interface is on a dedicated network |
| 04:24.10 | vorpal | and the the backup interface is not on the same netork as the backup server? |
| 04:24.28 | vorpal | nm |
| 04:24.32 | dfinn | hmm...that i'm not sure of |
| 04:24.48 | inetd | how do i convert a hex number to decimal using od ? |
| 04:24.51 | dfinn | i don't have access to the backup servers or know much about them |
| 04:25.20 | vorpal | well, its obvious what you need to do then ;-) |
| 04:25.28 | dfinn | what's that? |
| 04:26.15 | vorpal | you can't debug this, unless you know what is going on at both sides. |
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| 04:26.28 | dfinn | i have access to both sides |
| 04:26.38 | dfinn | the backup server is NOT the netdump target server |
| 04:26.46 | \amethyst | inetd: any reason in particular you want to use od for this? |
| 04:27.09 | inetd | \amethyst: well any other way? |
| 04:27.16 | vorpal | oh, dear. |
| 04:27.42 | \amethyst | inetd: printf "%o\n" 0x42 |
| 04:28.47 | inetd | \amethyst: cheers..and i think you ment %d ;-) |
| 04:29.03 | \amethyst | inetd: oh, you said decimal not octal |
| 04:29.28 | dfinn | vorpal, what did you have in mind? |
| 04:29.35 | \amethyst | inetd: even shorter then echo $(( 0x42 )) |
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| 04:30.51 | vorpal | dfinn, i'm a fan of tcpdump. find out if and what the machine spews before it crashes |
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| 04:31.15 | vorpal | dfinn: if you have a managed switch, this shouldbe easy |
| 04:31.56 | dfinn | it's probably a managed switch but not by me. i'm working for a very large company and I essentially only have direct access to these 2 servers. |
| 04:32.54 | vorpal | dfinn: do you have access to the console of the machine that is crashing? |
| 04:33.00 | inetd | \amethyst: cool, how about convert from decimal to hex? |
| 04:33.18 | dfinn | it's using a console solution that does not log...which IMO opinion is pretty useless |
| 04:33.28 | \amethyst | inetd: printf "%x\n" 66 |
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| 04:33.36 | vorpal | you need some help |
| 04:33.50 | dfinn | rigth, that's why I'm here :) |
| 04:34.03 | shingouz | is there a nice debian way to setup a network connection so that when for some reason the ISP expires the dhcp lease and does not renew it, the system would automagically notice and poll the dhcp again? |
| 04:34.07 | vorpal | no, you need help from the people that run your infrastructure |
| 04:34.46 | inetd | \amethyst: i ment using echo command |
| 04:34.49 | dfinn | things won't change anytime soon. If I can get netdump working as it's advertised I think it will help determine the reason for the crashes |
| 04:35.14 | vorpal | but you're trying to debug netdump! |
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| 04:35.20 | dfinn | not yet i'm not |
| 04:35.36 | dfinn | i'm just trying to see if traffic going out an interface on one server will reach another server |
| 04:36.23 | \amethyst | inetd: it's actually using the shell's arithmetic expansion... $(( )) is evaluated before being handed off to echo |
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| 04:37.07 | \amethyst | inetd: I don't know of a simple way to convert to hex in pure shell |
| 04:37.16 | \amethyst | simpler than calling printf anyway |
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| 04:37.58 | vorpal | dfinn, your question suggests that 1) you have established connectivity between machine A and B 2) you are not sure which interface this connection is going through |
| 04:38.22 | vorpal | dfinn: correct? |
| 04:38.58 | vorpal | a simple traceroute will tell you the path your connection takes |
| 04:39.05 | inetd | 1block is 512 bytes? |
| 04:39.40 | dfinn | somewhat. A and B can definitely talk to each other. I need to know if a specific interface on A can reach an IP that's assigned to B |
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| 04:40.48 | vorpal | dfinn, if your default route is via another interface, then disable it |
| 04:41.08 | dfinn | this is a production server, that's not an option |
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| 04:41.26 | dfinn | i'm tring to find a way to test this w/o impacting any users or apps |
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| 04:41.39 | dfinn | that's why I don't want to modify the routing table |
| 04:42.15 | vorpal | dude, this is getting ridiculous. you don't have support of your network guys, and you are testing something on a production machine that is crashing anyway |
| 04:42.33 | vorpal | drastic measures are called for, IMO |
| 04:43.20 | vorpal | sounds like you need to yank some chains higher on the food chain |
| 04:43.31 | dfinn | i can get support from the network team but that won't happen until tomorrow. i'm trying to trouble shoot this now if possible |
| 04:44.04 | dfinn | so essentially you are saying that it can't be done with the standard utilities on these 2 linux servers? |
| 04:45.00 | vorpal | what does a traceroute say? |
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| 04:46.31 | dfinn | a plain traceroute from A to netdump target IP on B shows it taking 1 hop then hitting it's target |
| 04:46.48 | shingouz | dfinn: hammer. a very very big hammer when you call the network dudes :) |
| 04:46.53 | dfinn | is there a way to force netdump to go out a specific interface? |
| 04:47.02 | dfinn | sorry, traceroute not netdump |
| 04:47.36 | vorpal | dfinn, net time the machine crashes, try what i recommended |
| 04:48.09 | vorpal | next time* |
| 04:48.43 | dfinn | what did you recommend? |
| 04:48.55 | dfinn | watching the console? |
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| 04:50.53 | vorpal | i did recommend that, yes. however, sionce you do not have access to the console of this server which you supposedly are trying to repair, and you insist on establishing a network path to a particular machine on a specific interface, then i recommend disabling all interfaces except the one of interest and *then* verify connectivity |
| 04:51.53 | vorpal | or modify the routing table. either way, if this machine is crashing, it is not going to hurt to try these things out the next time it goies down |
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| 04:52.42 | dfinn | ok, thanks |
| 04:52.59 | dfinn | i think i may have been able to verify it with traceroute but i'm getting some odd behavior |
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| 04:53.44 | vorpal | why do you need a specific interface? |
| 04:54.04 | dfinn | it's part of the netdump config, I *think* it has to be specified |
| 04:54.19 | dfinn | i'm pretty sure that when I set it up it would not work until an interface was given |
| 04:54.37 | vorpal | what does your routing table look like? |
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| 04:54.57 | dfinn | ok to pate here? |
| 04:55.01 | dfinn | paste |
| 04:55.13 | vorpal | one or two lines, otherwise use a paste bin |
| 04:55.14 | maxamillion | dfinn: pastebin please |
| 04:55.18 | sandrot | my shell is set to bash but when I ssh into my machine .bashrc is not being sourced...any ideas? |
| 04:55.19 | Gigantic | !paste |
| 04:55.19 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 04:56.22 | Gigantic | dpkg no paste is <reply> Please do not paste more than 3 lines here. Use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 04:56.22 | dpkg | okay, Gigantic |
| 04:56.47 | dfinn | http://paste.debian.net/33026 |
| 04:57.03 | zinx | uhm |
| 04:57.07 | zinx | why did you change that factoid? |
| 04:57.29 | dfinn | me? factoid? |
| 04:58.26 | zinx | dfinn: Gigantic |
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| 05:00.25 | vorpal | dfinn, what is the IP of the netdump serveR? |
| 05:00.42 | dfinn | 10.128.40.88 |
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| 05:01.02 | nvz | hmm my network is being scanned it appears.. gonna step off IRC a while and quiet traffic down so I can sort things out |
| 05:01.05 | dfinn | and eth5 is the specified interface |
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| 05:01.59 | Gigantic | .42 != .40 |
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| 05:03.35 | eshaase | how do i determine whether or not mod_python is doing what it should be? |
| 05:04.01 | dfinn | i guess it would help if I knew more about netdump but I guess that by specifying the device to use it's bypassing the local routing table? |
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| 05:06.52 | Gigantic | eshaase: eh... running a python app ? |
| 05:08.58 | eshaase | Gigantic: running a python app worked before i installed mod_python though |
| 05:10.32 | vorpal | dfinn, show me the traceroute output |
| 05:11.22 | Gigantic | eshaase,,, a web application |
| 05:11.52 | sandrot | my shell is set to bash but when I ssh into my machine .bashrc is not being sourced...any ideas? |
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| 05:12.52 | vorpal | sandrot: is it being sourced in your .bash_profile? |
| 05:12.59 | Gigantic | eshaase: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_application http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_application_framework |
| 05:13.28 | metbsd | whats the grammar to add MX record in bind? |
| 05:13.30 | sandrot | vorpal: Nope! |
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| 05:16.34 | dfinn | vorpal, http://paste.debian.net/33027 |
| 05:17.03 | sandrot | vorpal: is bash_profile or /etc/profile the only way .bashrc is typically sourced? My ubuntu system sources bashrc fine but I don't have a bash_profile |
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| 05:21.04 | vorpal | sandrot: man bash |
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| 05:21.11 | sandrot | gotcha |
| 05:21.15 | sandrot | thanks |
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| 05:21.24 | vorpal | sandrot, the manual explains when these files are sourceds |
| 05:21.42 | vorpal | .bash_profile is sourced for login shells |
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| 05:21.57 | vorpal | .bashrc is sourced for interactive shells |
| 05:23.39 | vorpal | dfinn: interesting. the first traceroute has two hops, the sond only one |
| 05:23.56 | nanonyme | so, should i detach other hard disks but the external one i'm planning to install debian on to install to the right mbr or does the installer let me choose? |
| 05:24.01 | vorpal | s/sond/second/ |
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| 05:24.46 | dfinn | vorpal, that seemed odd to me too. and if you read further you'll see that the tcpdump on the target server only saw a packet for that first traceroute |
| 05:25.23 | vorpal | dfinn, in any case, it looks like you have a connection through eth5. |
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| 05:26.16 | vorpal | dfinn, perhaps you could continue to run tcpdump on the tartget, and filter for netdump stuff |
| 05:26.49 | dfinn | netdump only dumps when the system crashes though |
| 05:27.29 | dfinn | the only way to test netdump is to force the system to crash. RH gives a way to do that with gcc but I can't do that unfortunately |
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| 05:27.53 | xp_prg_ | hi all I am trying to do this for all programs: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$JRE_HOME/lib/i386:$JRE_HOME/lib/i386/client |
| 05:27.58 | xp_prg_ | what is the best way to do that on debian? |
| 05:28.49 | vorpal | dfinn: sorry, i'm out of ideas :-( |
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| 05:29.37 | vorpal | dfinn: anyhow, if it is a production box, the situation will escalate and you will have the resources you need soon enough ;-) |
| 05:30.51 | vorpal | dfinn: oh, you could also test netdump out in a test environment on machines you have complete control |
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| 05:31.49 | vorpal | dfinn, you might even be able to do it on a single machine with some VM stuff |
| 05:31.51 | karsten | xp_prg_: /etc/profile, /etc/environment |
| 05:32.03 | karsten | dfinn: eg: qemu |
| 05:34.27 | xp_prg_ | ok thanks, believe it or not I was editing /etc/profile as you suggested it :) |
| 05:34.29 | dfinn | that might be my next step, is to test that another server can succesfully netdump to the target server |
| 05:34.55 | dfinn | maybe RH will be able to help but so far their support is not much help |
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| 05:36.48 | Shaezsche | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30404/ can someone tell me how to add 16bit AND 24bit color to my xorg? |
| 05:36.53 | Shaezsche | right now all i can have is 24 |
| 05:38.16 | vorpal | dfinn: RH? |
| 05:38.42 | xp_prg_ | dd a file named postgresql to the directory /etc/ld.so.conf.d that looks like this: where do I do this on debian this directory does not exist |
| 05:38.45 | vorpal | dfinn: see, there is your problem! ;-) |
| 05:38.51 | Shaezsche | is there a command to show me what color depth i am currently in? |
| 05:38.54 | vorpal | j/k |
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| 05:39.59 | Gigantic | Shaezsche: zparam |
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| 05:40.06 | Gigantic | err: xparam |
| 05:40.22 | Shaezsche | command not found |
| 05:40.30 | cahoot | xdpyinfo |
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| 05:43.06 | stray_ | Shaezsche: maybe xrandr |
| 05:43.32 | Shaezsche | xrandr what? |
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| 05:47.25 | Gigantic | eshaase: between normal py app and web app |
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| 05:48.11 | metbsd | example.com. |
| 05:48.11 | metbsd | |
| 05:48.11 | metbsd | IN |
| 05:48.11 | metbsd | |
| 05:48.11 | metbsd | MX |
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| 05:48.41 | metbsd | example.com IN MX 10 mail.example.com. |
| 05:48.42 | dfinn | one last quick question about this crashing server...it's possible with syslog to redirect output that would normally go to the console to a file correct? |
| 05:48.47 | metbsd | what does 10 mean here? |
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| 05:49.32 | nevyn | dfinn: that's not going to work if the disk system just died |
| 05:49.40 | nevyn | or the VM or ... |
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| 05:50.03 | dfinn | hmm...good point. nothing points at it being an issue with disk or I/O but then again nothing points at much currently |
| 05:50.16 | dfinn | but it would be worth a shot to at least attempt to capture some of that info. it's possible? |
| 05:50.17 | nevyn | there are lots of place for a "crash" to leave you without anything if you can't see the physical console |
| 05:50.38 | nevyn | dfinn: everything that goes to /dev/console is logged to syslog or messages anyway |
| 05:50.45 | metbsd | oh, priority |
| 05:50.48 | Gigantic | eshaase: !!! |
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| 05:53.17 | metbsd | i'm doing domain name server |
| 05:53.33 | eshaase | Gigantic: i am running a web app (moinmoin wiki) |
| 05:53.55 | Gigantic | eshaase: ah, |
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| 05:57.38 | eshaase | Gigantic: so how do i determine whether or not mod_python is functioning properly? |
| 05:58.07 | noob_ | Hi all.. using apache2 I can't get a virtualhost to resolve.. created the virtual host in sites-available and sites-enabled and added a listing to my hosts file. any ideas what I'm missing? |
| 05:58.13 | Gigantic | eshaase: I've never ran moin moin |
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| 05:58.29 | noob_ | (following: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/virtualhosts.htm) |
| 05:58.43 | tonima | noob_: dns is working ok? |
| 05:58.44 | Gigantic | eshaase: But if there are apps and they run seamlesly... well, most likely it is working |
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| 05:59.06 | noob_ | tonima: they're both on the same IP, which is why I have added it to my hosts file? |
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| 05:59.47 | Master_Medic | when going from lenny to sid |
| 05:59.53 | Master_Medic | after u change the sources.list file |
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| 05:59.57 | noob_ | tonima: 192.168.1.130 localhost.localdomain:80 ernie; 192.168.1.130 localhost.localdomain:80 bert |
| 06:00.03 | Master_Medic | you just need to aptitude update, and aptitude dist-upgrade? |
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| 06:00.23 | tonima | noob_: um.. never used hosts -file for that purpose :) |
| 06:00.37 | tonima | noob_: can't you use dns? |
| 06:00.42 | tonima | add those server to dns |
| 06:00.51 | noob_ | tonima: when I don't add it, I get an error on apache2 restart ([error] (EAI 2)Name or service not known: Cannot resolve host name) |
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| 06:01.18 | tonima | noob_: wrong dns-server on resolv.conf ? |
| 06:01.39 | noob_ | tonima: i'm having my router do the dns-serving |
| 06:01.47 | Master_Medic | anyone? |
| 06:01.50 | shingouz | Master_Medic: yes but before you do the update/dist-upgrade, think three more times if you *really* want to use Sid |
| 06:01.53 | Flakk | Hello people. I have a very basic questyyion about pppoeconf. I would like to launch the ppp connectioni as a user, but for the moment I succeed only as root. when I try to do t as a user, I have a message "Error: only members of the 'dip' group can use this command." what is this DIP group and hopw to add myself there? I am using debian stable |
| 06:02.06 | shingouz | Master_Medic: sid breaks things. bad. |
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| 06:02.19 | Master_Medic | hmm |
| 06:02.20 | noob_ | tonima: points all requests to port 80 to that IP |
| 06:02.27 | Master_Medic | shingouz, lenny is the current testing right? |
| 06:02.59 | shingouz | Master_Medic: yes |
| 06:03.01 | tonima | noob_: well, I would use dns |
| 06:03.15 | tonima | noob_: if you can't put those on your router, install dns-server to your server and use it |
| 06:03.44 | Master_Medic | okay |
| 06:04.10 | tonima | noob_: you can easily do local dns-server and do what you need there and forward the rest to your isp's dns-server |
| 06:04.18 | shingouz | Master_Medic: most of the times if you have to ask how to upgrade to sid, you are not really ready to fight with sid when he has a bad day |
| 06:04.21 | tonima | noob_: or something like that.. depends on your needs :) |
| 06:04.45 | Master_Medic | shingouz, thanks for the warning :] |
| 06:05.26 | eshaase | Gigantic: know of a way to know more concretely rather than by 'eyeballing' it? |
| 06:05.34 | shingouz | Master_Medic: no problem. easier to warn before the upgrade than listen to someone try to downgrade. downgrading is always manual and usually results in a reinstall |
| 06:05.46 | hermuli | do i actually need the second processor to be installed in order to install smp kernel? |
| 06:05.48 | noob_ | tonima: all I wanted to do was setup a second local web host.. |
| 06:05.52 | shingouz | hermuli: yes |
| 06:05.58 | hermuli | thanks |
| 06:06.00 | shingouz | hermuli: sorry, no. |
| 06:06.02 | hermuli | i suspected that... |
| 06:06.11 | noob_ | tonima: the original (ernie) works just fine. When I browse to http://ernie/, it points to /var/www/) |
| 06:06.30 | shingouz | hermuli: to actually use the second cpu you need an smp kernel, not the other way around. i just misread your question first :$ |
| 06:06.31 | noob_ | tonima: i just wanted to add (bert) /var/www/bertfiles/ into the mix |
| 06:06.34 | Master_Medic | shingouz, good thing this is a new box, no so no worries :] |
| 06:06.46 | tonima | noob_: yeah, but you need to use dns in that case if you need to access it remotely |
| 06:06.48 | shingouz | Master_Medic: play with lenny a while |
| 06:07.02 | noob_ | tonima: i don't ever need to access it remotely |
| 06:07.04 | tonima | noob_: how your client should know that there's a ernie as well if you don't tell it on dns? |
| 06:07.10 | noob_ | tonima: I just wanted http://bert/ to work |
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| 06:07.18 | tonima | noob_: using localhost? :) |
| 06:07.31 | hermuli | shingouz: ok, so what else do i need to do than apt-get install the image and update-grub? |
| 06:07.41 | noob_ | tonima: yea .. i just figured i could create a "virtual" host "bert" in addition to the existing "ernie" |
| 06:08.23 | shingouz | hermuli: when you have the image installed, reboot and cross your fingers |
| 06:08.27 | tonima | noob_: you have NameVirtualHost xxxxx:80 on httpd.conf ? |
| 06:08.45 | hermuli | shingouz: i did that and didn't get it on the boot menu :( |
| 06:08.51 | noob_ | tonima: well, in apache2, I just created that in /etc/apache2/sites-available |
| 06:09.01 | noob_ | tonima: and /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| 06:09.29 | noob_ | tonima: NameVirtualHost ernie:80 || NameVirtualHost bert:80 |
| 06:09.47 | tonima | noob_: <VirtualHost 192.168.1.130:80> |
| 06:09.52 | shingouz | hermuli: umh.. grub is not my forte, i still run lilo on my boxen. if you already booted on the new kernel, check what kernel you actually run with uname -a |
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| 06:10.04 | tonima | noob_: ServerName bert |
| 06:10.06 | tonima | noob_: blablabla |
| 06:10.12 | tonima | noob_: </VirtualHost> |
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| 06:10.54 | hermuli | shingouz: hey! it is smp... why didn't it say so... grrrrrrr... i've been worrying for nothing... again :P |
| 06:10.58 | hermuli | shingouz: thanks... |
| 06:11.15 | DarKnesS_WolF | hello i just did apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade ; apt-get dist-upgrade and then it was asking me some question about system configurations i did them but i'm worried to reboot this machine is remotly and i can't afford geting it down ... any idea how can i check the the upgrade went fine ? |
| 06:11.18 | noob_ | tonima: is that in sites-enabled or available? |
| 06:11.18 | shingouz | hermuli: no problem |
| 06:11.39 | cast | bit confused as to what i should do here, i have a kernel module pkg, i can build the .ko with make and copy it into the right place. now whats the debian way? |
| 06:12.02 | tonima | noob_: put your config to sites-avaiable and just make a sym-link to enable |
| 06:12.30 | tonima | noob_: when you need to disable some site, just remote symlink |
| 06:12.35 | shingouz | DarKnesS_WolF: unless you upgraded your kernel you do not need to reboot |
| 06:12.35 | tonima | remove |
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| 06:13.17 | noob_ | tonima: i wasn't sure how to remove symlinks :) |
| 06:13.21 | DarKnesS_WolF | shingouz: i did upgrade the kernel |
| 06:13.25 | DarKnesS_WolF | but i also did a major upgrade |
| 06:13.26 | cahoot | cast, just start m-a - it's pretty selfevident from there |
| 06:13.28 | noob_ | tonima: can you show me a sample /sites-enabled/default with my two hosts? |
| 06:13.38 | DarKnesS_WolF | shingouz: from rleease to anohter one |
| 06:13.50 | shingouz | DarKnesS_WolF: nice.... let me guess: you went to sid? |
| 06:13.59 | DarKnesS_WolF | shingouz: i want ot latest stable |
| 06:14.47 | tonima | noob_: heh, it's hard to make a config for your needs :) |
| 06:14.52 | cast | cahoot: ahh shit, i was quite misleading. i have a kernel module tarball |
| 06:14.53 | tonima | <VirtualHost 192.168.1.30:80> |
| 06:14.53 | tonima | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.53 | tonima | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.53 | tonima | </VirtualHost> |
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| 06:15.10 | shingouz | DarKnesS_WolF: the kernel issue is the only real thing that worries me. i think grub had some thing in it so that you can make it reboot automagically back to the old kernel if the new one fails but i am not sure |
| 06:15.12 | tonima | sweet |
| 06:15.15 | noob_ | tonima: sorry, tonima |
| 06:15.26 | DarKnesS_WolF | ok will check shingouz thx :-D |
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| 06:16.11 | shingouz | DarKnesS_WolF: best is of course if you can babysit the box for the first boot but... remote boxen and a kernel upgrade is something i do not like to do |
| 06:17.21 | hermuli | i think linux should quit the "user should know" attitude... because users don't know, and never will :P |
| 06:18.23 | nvz | hmm well after shutting down all services and applications on my system and scanning what should be a quiet network for a little over an hour I captured over 600 packets from 6 different nodes, 3 windows boxes in particular are communicating heavily with each other via IPX for some reason I still am not sure of the only other windows box, running XP just like the rest doesn't partake in this IPX chatter |
| 06:18.24 | shingouz | hermuli: sounds like you want the distros to ask "are you really really really sure you want to shutdown -h now" <no/not sure/cancel> |
| 06:18.41 | hermuli | no... |
| 06:18.45 | mosno | what's the Not Sure button do shingouz |
| 06:18.54 | hermuli | but i hate guessing if something has installed or not... |
| 06:18.57 | cast | linux is a kernel, your statement confuses me hermuli! |
| 06:19.05 | shingouz | mosno: no idea, i run debian :p |
| 06:19.17 | mosno | shingouz: oooh what a coincidence! |
| 06:19.19 | hermuli | like in this case a simple 3 letter word in the boot menu would have told it all... :P |
| 06:19.59 | hermuli | linux is the kernel... the rest is just something you have to live with... :P |
| 06:20.08 | shingouz | hermuli: most software have the version number accessible somehow. to get the running kernel, use uname :) |
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| 06:20.34 | shingouz | mosno: debian does nto have the "not sure" button. fortunately |
| 06:20.41 | hermuli | shingouz: i know that now... ;P |
| 06:20.42 | Bako_ | Hi ppl. Debian dont work with non-PAE domU. I think, it is forever. Where can i get PAE-kernel for freebsd domU |
| 06:20.47 | Gokee2 | Anyone know of a way to make a .doc file into a html file converting things like line peragraphs into custom html? Eg I want a new peragraph that has its first line bolded to start with a <p class="embryonic_title"> tag |
| 06:20.52 | cast | shingouz: with a small paragraph underneath "shutting down your system means turning off your computer. In this unactive state your computer will consume very little power, however you will not be able to run applications and all data not saved to the hard disk will be lost. The hard disk is a way of 'saving' your informations permanently..etc..etc.. |
| 06:21.01 | noob_ | tonima: still no luck over here |
| 06:21.01 | hermuli | yes, i am almost a complete newbie :P |
| 06:21.27 | shingouz | cast: yea, something in that style but that begins to sound like doze to me |
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| 06:21.37 | cast | Bako_: isn't that a freebsd question? you can recompile xen/linux to be non-pae |
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| 06:21.58 | tonima | noob_: and you have namevirtualhost 192.168.1.130:80 on your httpd.conf ? |
| 06:22.54 | Bako_ | cast: i want to be sure before, that non-pae xen dont work on debian |
| 06:23.02 | noob_ | tonima: there is nothing in my httpd.conf |
| 06:23.15 | noob_ | tonima: it's all in my apache2.conf |
| 06:23.34 | noob_ | tonima: Include /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/[^.#]* |
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| 06:23.39 | Bako_ | cast: also i never seen adopted pae version of xen freebsd |
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| 06:25.54 | cast | Bako_: your double negative is confusing me, you want to be sure that pae xen works on debian? |
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| 06:26.53 | Bako_ | cast: pae xenk works for me! i not sure about non-pae (because have non-pae freebsd) |
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| 06:27.37 | cast | Bako_: non-pae will work. |
| 06:27.42 | Bako_ | cast: did you started non-pae xen ? |
| 06:27.46 | noob_ | tonima: i think i'm done screwing with this for the night.. it's been about 2.5hrs and no progress.. i appreciate your help, tho |
| 06:27.49 | cast | no, but others have |
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| 06:28.30 | tonima | noob_: heh, it isn't that hard... but quite hard to say what's wrong with it |
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| 06:28.51 | noob_ | i know.. certainly not 2.5hrs hard! :P |
| 06:28.56 | noob_ | talk to y'all later |
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| 06:29.20 | yigal | late nb |
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| 06:29.56 | noob_ | late |
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| 06:30.04 | Master_Medic | hthis one looks a bit expensive |
| 06:30.10 | Master_Medic | 95$ for a 2g mp3? |
| 06:30.21 | yigal | Master_Medic: does it play ogg? |
| 06:30.21 | bubbeh | can i download source packages and compile myself using a similar interface to apt-get ? |
| 06:30.22 | Bako_ | cast: thereis two packets of hypervisor: xen-hypervisor-3.0.4-1-i386 and xen-hypervisor-3.0.4-1-i386-pae. i tried both. and only xen-hypervisor-3.0.4-1-i386-pae works! peple in forums say that its because Fedora patches backported to kernel and broke non-pae |
| 06:30.31 | Master_Medic | oh whoops |
| 06:30.34 | Master_Medic | wrong channel heh |
| 06:30.36 | Master_Medic | www.woot.com |
| 06:30.56 | cast | Bako_: hmm |
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| 06:31.43 | yigal | Master_Medic: it can't play ogg, then why bother, get a blackberry for $100 more then you can do all kinds of stuff, or use a linux pda to play music for even more functionality |
| 06:31.54 | cast | Bako_: i thought debian didn't have non-pae xen pkgs? |
| 06:32.12 | Master_Medic | werd |
| 06:32.15 | Master_Medic | this thing is crap |
| 06:32.23 | Bako_ | cast: seems to be.. :( |
| 06:32.36 | yigal | Master_Medic: funny :) |
| 06:32.41 | cast | Bako_: what i ment was you have to recompile your own without pae |
| 06:32.54 | Master_Medic | yigal, familar with woot? |
| 06:32.59 | Master_Medic | there is a woot off going on right now |
| 06:33.07 | cast | Bako_: http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+non-pae |
| 06:33.08 | Master_Medic | once this product sells out they put up a new one |
| 06:33.48 | yigal | hmm, no but thank you, sounds funny, I am very unmaterialistic, I have a p4 and had a p1 a year ago I don't buy something unless I think it would be very useful ? :) |
| 06:33.56 | Bako_ | cast: but its broken in deb-src (i am not sure, peole says). maybe i must take another kernel... |
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| 06:34.19 | Azar | here what happens when people cling on the "point-n-click" windows method and don't bother to learn Linux from command line up: http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT8185716581.html |
| 06:34.24 | Bako_ | cast: okey :) thanks, i can gooogles :) |
| 06:34.46 | Azar | tarzeau: ... :) |
| 06:35.59 | yigal | does anyone use sql for personal use? like a database for finances, music, I mean you use command line or scripting for it? |
| 06:36.49 | cast | Bako_: hmm, someone..somewhere managed to get non-pae working under etch, i just can't find where :\ |
| 06:37.01 | metbsd | i use mysql and postgresql |
| 06:37.08 | metbsd | for mail server authen |
| 06:37.18 | yigal | metbsd: ha, thats not personal :) |
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| 06:38.47 | yigal | i am all alone with my sql use, very funny |
| 06:39.15 | yigal | vim doesn't cut what a database can do for me, funny |
| 06:39.55 | GreaseMonkey | leaving now, cya |
| 06:40.24 | yigal | peace, out |
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| 06:42.11 | Bako_ | cast: very funnyarticle. man say about his try to build non-pae and at the end write update: "t seems to have built a PAE kernel :(" :))) http://www.artima.com/forums/flat.jsp?forum=122&thread=205275 |
| 06:42.15 | Madd_Matt | Hey, I'm interested in using kernel 2.6.22, which doesn't appear to as of yet be in debian. Will dpkg freak out on me if I uninstall the provided kernel and use a vanilla one? What is a safe way of going about this? |
| 06:43.13 | Bako_ | cast: i am so lazy, but today i'll try to make non-pae from debian sorces |
| 06:43.16 | shingouz | !tell Madd_Matt about kernel-package |
| 06:43.33 | Madd_Matt | Hawt, thanks shingouz |
| 06:44.01 | cahoot | Madd_Matt, but - I'd keep the running one untile the new one has proven itself |
| 06:44.14 | shingouz | Madd_Matt: very much doable of vanilla sources. just make sure you read the instructions first |
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| 06:44.55 | Madd_Matt | Great :) I'm still new to the "debian way" of doing things sometimes. |
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| 06:49.49 | Azar | Madd_Matt: good opportunity to learn: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/concise-apt-get-dpkg-primer-for-new.html << it is all about "package management" : dpkg and apt |
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| 06:50.50 | Azar | Madd_Matt: and http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian |
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| 06:54.35 | tsocks | Azar: the first article is really good ... thanks ;-) |
| 06:55.05 | Azar | tsocks: there are lots and lots of articles out there, easy for new users to understand... |
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| 06:55.20 | tsocks | Azar: yes. |
| 06:55.33 | tsocks | tsocks: i added to bookmarks ;-) ... |
| 06:55.53 | Azar | Debian is easy, it has a set of rules that if followed, it never breaks |
| 06:56.37 | cahoot | Azar, you are a trusting kind |
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| 06:57.20 | Azar | cahoot: my limited experience: four years now with Debian the only time it broke is when I tried play with Debian Sid |
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| 07:02.17 | Madd_Matt | I've never had debian go belly up, not like gentoo :P |
| 07:02.45 | Azar | ahhhh gentoo, the unruly crazy distro |
| 07:02.46 | cafuego | I have, but again, only sid. |
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| 07:03.47 | tsocks | well.. i started with redhat, then knoppix ... and a few time ago, debian ;-) |
| 07:04.06 | Azar | gentoo would maybe have helped me out learning how to compile crazy software |
| 07:04.27 | tsocks | and.. i don't really know why people says: "ubuntu is easy, is for users, for desktop computers..." ... and ... "debian is difficult, is for servers, the configuration is hard...".. |
| 07:04.29 | Azar | Debian makes it way easy with tools |
| 07:05.02 | tsocks | i didn't have problems with my configuration, hardware... except my soundcard (5.1) ... ;-) |
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| 07:05.09 | Azar | debian is like an old teacher who punishes unruly kids and educates the helpless |
| 07:06.08 | liable | educates unruly kids and punishes the helpless ;) |
| 07:06.12 | Azar | you shouldn't: etch's udev detects most of hardware and video drivers have a debian way of compiling |
| 07:06.19 | Azar | liable: hahahaha |
| 07:06.30 | tsocks | Azar: sure.. |
| 07:06.57 | Azar | liable: did you see this morning that stupid title? "upset man throws pc out the window, police applauses" |
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| 07:07.09 | liable | heh, no |
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| 07:07.27 | Azar | damn just reverse the windows with PC that would be nicer title |
| 07:07.36 | shingouz | i also find it hard to understand why people always complain about how difficult debian is. my first ever linux install was potato on a Compaq Prosignia 486 running a Smart2 raid array. still have the computer and it still runs the original install. upgraded to sid years ago but still |
| 07:08.09 | liable | agreed |
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| 07:08.13 | Azar | shingouz: that's the story that hangs since the woody times |
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| 07:08.29 | tsocks | and... did you read the linus's comment about debian ?... |
| 07:08.30 | shingouz | Azar: huh? |
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| 07:09.42 | Azar | tsocks: I read the interview, it is so ridiculous, he say he did not tried debian because is "hard to install" but I guess the real issue is that debian does not behave as commercial (adopting non-free) as he would like, little mister GatesII |
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| 07:10.20 | Azar | for me that what Linus represents: the GatesII at younger stage |
| 07:10.20 | tsocks | Azar: jaja, ;) |
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| 07:11.04 | Azar | beware the time when he will "get out of the clo...garage" |
| 07:11.04 | tsocks | linus is a little stupid.. talking bad about gnome ... GPL v3 ... ;( |
| 07:11.32 | Azar | tsocks: and not surprisingly the primadona of open source: ESR |
| 07:11.32 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:11.37 | shingouz | i think it is time for me to run over to Zeer Rangsit and scout out some more stupi... umm.. nifty toys. five floors of computer equipment, geek heaven |
| 07:11.47 | Azar | mister dimir, good evening |
| 07:12.01 | dimir | Azar: ;) |
| 07:12.05 | tsocks | ;-) |
| 07:12.12 | tsocks | Azar: where're you from ? |
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| 07:12.22 | Azar | tsocks: L.A. california |
| 07:12.34 | dimir | Must be awfully hot there now. |
| 07:12.43 | tsocks | Azar: nice ;-) .. i like california very much ... |
| 07:12.45 | tarzeau | Azar: yes? |
| 07:12.49 | Azar | dimir: surprisingly june gloom... |
| 07:12.59 | Azar | ahhhhhh mister tarzeau I have something funny for you |
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| 07:13.33 | dimir | azar: I see. You get to see all the Hollywood stars there? :-P |
| 07:13.39 | Azar | http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Your-Computer-Fails.aspx << tarzeau :) |
| 07:13.46 | dimir | 66 F here now. |
| 07:13.51 | tarzeau | Azar: i seen it yesterday -- i read backlogs |
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| 07:14.09 | tsocks | Azar: I'm from Cuba ;) |
| 07:14.19 | Azar | dimir: so people would think: I am an workaholic, I mostly see my desk and in the evening, my mom |
| 07:14.33 | SmokeyD|afk | hey guys, can anybody direct me to infor which wifi cards/chipsets are supported by my debian distro with 2.6.18-4-686 kernel? |
| 07:14.38 | Azar | tsocks: hey, nice... heard great playas out there |
| 07:15.00 | Azar | SmokeyD|afk: if modconf is still alive give it a shot |
| 07:15.06 | dimir | Azar: I also see my wife! ;) |
| 07:15.13 | shingouz | SmokeyD|afk: at least orinoco, prism2 and atheros |
| 07:15.14 | liable | SmokeyD|afk: intels, ralinks, broadcoms, realteks, atheros and various others |
| 07:15.14 | Azar | dimir: I am too young to die |
| 07:15.28 | tsocks | Azar: yeap ;) |
| 07:15.59 | shingouz | SmokeyD: intel 2100 and 2200 should also be working nicely afaik |
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| 07:16.04 | Azar | liable: modconf is still alive in etch? |
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| 07:16.31 | tsocks | Azar: yep. |
| 07:16.36 | liable | Azar: i have it on my etch box, so i guess so |
| 07:16.51 | Azar | cool, I got addicted to it back in the woody heydays |
| 07:16.54 | eshaase | Gigantic: know of a way to know more concretely rather than by 'eyeballing' it? |
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| 07:18.12 | Master_Medic | how can i tell if my wireless card is supported by linux? |
| 07:18.24 | Master_Medic | its a Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN |
| 07:18.58 | liable | Master_Medic: experimental support. see intelwirelesslinux.org |
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| 07:19.16 | simonrvn | google -> "Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN debian" |
| 07:19.28 | simonrvn | or that ^^^ |
| 07:19.52 | liable | i think that url is wrong, but a quick google should get you there |
| 07:20.07 | liable | Master_Medic: help on #ipw2100 too |
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| 07:21.56 | Master_Medic | http://intellinuxwireless.org/ |
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| 07:31.39 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:31.39 | dpkg | <fenix> My discover is problem people!!! Not find ide or scsi automatic <fenix> Help!! Discover Problem!!! PEOPLE!! <asg> fenix: yes discovering people can be a bit disconcerting |
| 07:32.02 | mosno | hehe |
| 07:33.12 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 07:33.20 | simonrvn | i love those |
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| 07:33.33 | Gigantic | *? |
| 07:33.34 | simonrvn | some people.... heheh |
| 07:33.45 | simonrvn | qotd == quote of the day |
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| 07:35.01 | simonrvn | check out qotd103 |
| 07:35.13 | Azar | hehe |
| 07:35.23 | Azar | simonrvn: where? |
| 07:35.55 | simonrvn | the bot |
| 07:36.02 | Azar | simonrvn: this morning (or yesterday morning) there was one here bragging that all his family is using Sid :) |
| 07:36.07 | simonrvn | !qotd103 |
| 07:36.07 | dpkg | methinks qotd103 is <punchik> everytime i use google i get a message that says its no safe , and other people can read what im writing because its not encrypted <Guerin> punchik: do you care if people see what you google for? <punchik> yes <punchik> i dont want people to know that i use to look for shemales |
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| 07:36.19 | simonrvn | oops, too late punchik ;) |
| 07:36.27 | simonrvn | !tell dronehive -about root |
| 07:36.37 | Azar | hahaha |
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| 07:37.06 | aldin | what is the command to see which users were trying or were logged recently? |
| 07:37.06 | tsocks | !tell tsocks -about dpkg |
| 07:37.07 | aldin | thanks |
| 07:37.20 | simonrvn | last |
| 07:37.55 | aldin | simonrvn, thanks any alternative, cause i knew one but now cant rememebere it... |
| 07:38.10 | simonrvn | i just told you what it is |
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| 07:38.28 | simonrvn | /usr/bin/last |
| 07:38.36 | aldin | simonrvn, this one works |
| 07:38.37 | tsocks | aldin: you should see in "/var/log/auth.log"... |
| 07:39.00 | simonrvn | here's another qotd btw ;) |
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| 07:39.15 | simonrvn | Azar: ^^^ |
| 07:39.17 | aldin | simonrvn, but it lists me a lot of infos |
| 07:39.23 | Azar | hehe I think I showed it earlier, this new linux guy updates firefox on his win box, then downloads the new firefox version .tar.gz to his linux distro, and tries and clicks all over in an attempt to "install" it |
| 07:39.26 | simonrvn | yes |
| 07:39.40 | simonrvn | Azar: hehehehe |
| 07:39.41 | graytron | whats gotd |
| 07:39.43 | aldin | is there one that gives me just times/date of logins of user |
| 07:39.56 | graytron | qotd even |
| 07:40.03 | graytron | quote of the day? |
| 07:40.05 | simonrvn | you can do who, or w, to show currently logged in |
| 07:40.09 | simonrvn | yes graytron |
| 07:40.26 | tsocks | aldin: again, you should see in "/var/log/auth.log"... |
| 07:40.27 | Gigantic | !issue |
| 07:40.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, issue is /etc/issue or /etc/issue.net |
| 07:40.36 | Gigantic | :| |
| 07:40.49 | Azar | simonrvn: "newbe flunks firefox update" : http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT8185716581.html |
| 07:41.05 | tsocks | aldin: less /var/log/auth.log |
| 07:41.21 | tsocks | iceweasel is too slow ;( ... |
| 07:41.39 | aldin | simonrvn, i know "who", but look, perhaps u didint understand me, look , lets say i have computer on job, and somene tried to log with my account, or even logged while i wasnt here i just wanna know when it accuered or is it accuered at all |
| 07:42.15 | aldin | tsocks, i checked /var/log.., thanks |
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| 07:42.30 | tsocks | Gigantic: i use konqueror ;-) ... but sites like "gmail" doesn't work good at all.. |
| 07:42.34 | tsocks | aldin: so? |
| 07:42.40 | Azar | wow kernel 2.4 is not abandoned! |
| 07:43.04 | cahoot | isn't 2.2 still maintained? |
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| 07:43.15 | aldin | tsocks, it doesnt give me what i wanted... only root here... |
| 07:43.25 | aldin | e.g Jul 19 09:17:01 cool CRON[8772]: (pam_unix) session closed for user root |
| 07:43.53 | simonrvn | Azar: wtf? he rebooted even... |
| 07:44.04 | Azar | cahoot: I do not know, but Debian quit the 2.2 |
| 07:44.14 | Azar | simonrvn: yep hahaha |
| 07:44.34 | Azar | poor guy needs be pointed at some linux basics manuals |
| 07:44.42 | tsocks | aldin: hmm ... do a "tail -f /var/log/auth.log" and then, try to authenticate with the another pc ... and tell me if tail doesn't show you it .. |
| 07:44.47 | simonrvn | aldin: a) learn how to read logs b) learn how to read last and use pipes and a pager .... |
| 07:44.58 | aldin | tsocks, ok, brb |
| 07:44.59 | simonrvn | basic effing unic knowledge |
| 07:45.03 | simonrvn | unix* |
| 07:45.40 | Gigantic | effing... |
| 07:45.40 | tsocks | ? |
| 07:45.53 | aldin | tsocks, Jul 19 09:46:06 cool sshd[9589]: Accepted password for aldin from 192.168.0.200 port 33282 ssh2 |
| 07:46.01 | aldin | tsocks, now it mentions me.. |
| 07:46.02 | tsocks | aldin: so ? |
| 07:46.07 | Azar | speaking of logs: some help here: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/01/system-logging.html |
| 07:46.12 | aldin | tsocks, but look i am looking for local logins |
| 07:46.22 | simonrvn | that is a local login |
| 07:46.26 | Azar | aldin, tsocks ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 07:46.27 | tsocks | aldin: it works for local logins too !!! |
| 07:46.29 | simonrvn | via ssh |
| 07:46.29 | tsocks | oh my good !!! |
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| 07:46.34 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 07:46.37 | tsocks | simonrvn: thans |
| 07:46.42 | tsocks | simonrvn: thanks ;-) |
| 07:46.48 | tsocks | aldin: look: |
| 07:46.52 | tsocks | Jul 19 03:45:01 localhost su[11188]: Successful su for oscar by oscar |
| 07:46.52 | tsocks | Jul 19 03:45:01 localhost su[11188]: + pts/3 oscar:oscar |
| 07:46.52 | tsocks | Jul 19 03:45:01 localhost su[11188]: (pam_unix) session opened for user oscar by (uid=1000) |
| 07:46.58 | simonrvn | LEARN HOW TO READ LOGS |
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| 07:47.08 | tsocks | simonrvn: hahaha |
| 07:47.16 | Azar | tsocks: help him with tutorials, he needs to read |
| 07:47.35 | aldin | cat /var/log/auth.log |
| 07:47.38 | aldin | no aldin |
| 07:47.39 | simonrvn | here, i'l translate what tsocks just pasted |
| 07:47.45 | aldin | except sshed |
| 07:47.48 | aldin | nevermind |
| 07:48.24 | simonrvn | line by line: date, localhost, being 127.0.0.1, su the program, with PID of 11188, telling you oscar successfully su'ed to oscar user |
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| 07:49.01 | simonrvn | then su says pts 3 was opened for that user, user being oscar, with group oscar |
| 07:49.18 | tsocks | aldin: cat will show you all the file ... use "tail -n # /var/log/auth.log" ... and replace # with the number of last lines you want to read... |
| 07:49.58 | tsocks | aldin: do you understand ? ... |
| 07:50.09 | aldin | tsocks, ok i will grep it just to see.. |
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| 07:50.10 | simonrvn | then, PAM, pam_unix module chimes in saying that it opened a session for the oscar user, which was opened by user with the uid of 1000 |
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| 07:50.31 | simonrvn | was that so hard? ;) |
| 07:50.41 | tsocks | simonrvn: thanks again ;-) |
| 07:50.45 | Gigantic | you know greping but no less ? |
| 07:50.46 | simonrvn | np ;) |
| 07:50.59 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 07:51.01 | aldin | Gigantic, i know less too |
| 07:51.13 | simonrvn | pipe it through to grep |
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| 07:51.25 | tsocks | aldin: let's se.. |
| 07:51.31 | simonrvn | | grep -some_flags some_argument_to_look_for |
| 07:51.31 | aldin | simonrvn, i didi and it show only sshaed connection |
| 07:51.36 | aldin | no aldin as regular user |
| 07:51.37 | aldin | nevermind |
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| 07:51.48 | aldin | i just wanted to rememeber the name of command |
| 07:51.52 | aldin | hehe |
| 07:51.57 | simonrvn | just grep for aldin, or some pam_unix session opening |
| 07:51.58 | aldin | but this went of the topic |
| 07:52.21 | aldin | aldin@cool:~$ cat /var/log/auth.log|grep aldin |
| 07:52.21 | aldin | Jul 19 09:46:06 cool sshd[9589]: Accepted password for aldin from 192.168.0.200 port 33282 ssh2 |
| 07:52.21 | aldin | Jul 19 09:46:06 cool sshd[9599]: (pam_unix) session opened for user aldin by (uid=0) |
| 07:52.24 | simonrvn | figures i'd forget a fricking ) on a patch i just submitted... |
| 07:52.38 | aldin | newermind |
| 07:52.46 | simonrvn | !uuoc aldin |
| 07:52.47 | tsocks | aldin: oh. i think I understand you... |
| 07:52.56 | cast | simonrvn: are you going to submit another patch with ++ )? :) |
| 07:53.12 | simonrvn | oh man hehhe |
| 07:53.19 | tsocks | simonrvn: because, when you open a new console ... and appears your user, it doesn't show it on auth.log... |
| 07:53.29 | simonrvn | i'll just reply to the bug number with the corrected patch |
| 07:53.37 | simonrvn | not always no |
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| 07:54.20 | simonrvn | btw, this is why you use last ;) |
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| 07:55.56 | tsocks | aldin: .. auth.log won't show you when you open a new terminal and you're logged... but, if you do something like: "su aldin", and you logged in, it will show you this... |
| 07:56.09 | tsocks | aldin: try and tell me ... |
| 07:56.10 | simonrvn | exactly |
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| 07:57.07 | aldin | tsocks, yes this works... |
| 07:57.08 | aldin | Jul 19 09:57:07 cool su[9946]: Successful su for aldin by aldin |
| 07:57.08 | aldin | Jul 19 09:57:07 cool su[9946]: + pts/0 aldin:aldin |
| 07:57.08 | aldin | Jul 19 09:57:07 cool su[9946]: (pam_unix) session opened for user aldin by (uid=1000) |
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| 07:57.16 | nanonyme | lol |
| 07:57.27 | tomb | arf |
| 07:57.32 | tsocks | ;( |
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| 07:57.51 | aldin | ok, sorry wasnt too much three lines?? |
| 07:57.59 | tsocks | aldin: ok ;-) |
| 07:58.01 | nanonyme | over one line is generally too much |
| 07:58.06 | Azar | aldin: make some time and learn more about tools man... http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-speakingunix9/?ca=dgr-lnxw02aspeakUNIX |
| 07:58.11 | tsocks | aldin: so ... what exactly do you want to do with this .. |
| 07:58.11 | tsocks | ?? |
| 07:58.51 | aldin | tsocks, i will call friend he knows this command which is interested to me brb |
| 07:59.29 | tsocks | aldin: hmm.. my english is bad ;-( sory ... |
| 07:59.55 | tsocks | ok |
| 08:00.16 | dimir | the command is ... ls! |
| 08:00.18 | Azar | tsocks: look in the bright site: very few here might know what cono is |
| 08:00.50 | tsocks | dimir: ? |
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| 08:01.08 | tsocks | ... |
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| 08:04.33 | simonrvn | cast: fixed the patch |
| 08:04.52 | tsocks | Azar: what it means? sorry ;-( |
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| 08:05.41 | tsocks | simonrvn: what desktop do you use |
| 08:05.41 | tsocks | ? |
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| 08:06.11 | cast | fucking hell..Bruce Scheiner just tarbombed, for want of a more accurate term, my downloads dir with Yarrow0.8.71.zip :(. it should extract to Yarrow0.8.771/ damnit, not ./ |
| 08:07.54 | Azar | tsocks: add a ~ on top of n |
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| 08:08.32 | tsocks | Azar: ñ?... yep, :) |
| 08:08.51 | Azar | tsocks: yes my locales don't support special characters |
| 08:08.54 | liable | and he uses zip? |
| 08:09.09 | fyrestrtr | must I upgrade to lenny if I want a package that is 'testing'? |
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| 08:09.32 | Azar | fyrestrtr: try backports |
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| 08:09.41 | tsocks | Azar: i do not use special characters, my keyboard is U.S... but I have ES too and i can change it easy ;) |
| 08:09.53 | Azar | tsocks: ah, neat |
| 08:10.22 | cast | fyrestrtr: if its only a small number of packages i'd say backports/backporting/just-plain-compiling-yourself is a good idea |
| 08:10.28 | Azar | tsocks: for how long you guys adopted Debian out there? |
| 08:10.49 | Azar | I heard that a debian team was visiting.. |
| 08:10.59 | tsocks | Azar: a big time ago .. ;o) |
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| 08:11.11 | liable | piggy |
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| 08:11.36 | liable | that smiley looks like a little piggy smiley |
| 08:11.37 | tsocks | I don't know exactly how long, but, i could tell you tomorrow ... |
| 08:11.44 | fyrestrtr | !backports |
| 08:11.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 08:11.47 | tsocks | Azar: debian team visiting Cuba? |
| 08:12.18 | Azar | tsocks: yes, I guess was few months ago |
| 08:12.18 | Azar | I read about it |
| 08:12.26 | tsocks | Azar: where? i would like ... |
| 08:12.34 | Azar | he you saw RMS? is as barbudo as you know who |
| 08:13.05 | tsocks | a few months ago, David Moreno (http://www.damog.net) was here... |
| 08:13.07 | liable | Azar: you talk in a strange language sometimes.. :P |
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| 08:13.16 | Azar | hehe liable |
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| 08:13.23 | Azar | I was pulling RMS's beard |
| 08:13.33 | simonrvn | tsocks: openbox3 plus xfce stuff, mostly. i use whatever i like and works for me |
| 08:13.44 | tsocks | Azar: yep ;-) ... i went to the conference... diego saravia and daniel olivera (both from UTUTO) too.. |
| 08:14.09 | Azar | tsocks: lucky dogs |
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| 08:14.15 | fyrestrtr | cast: the package I am interested is, is not listed in backports.org for etch. Is that site authorative? |
| 08:14.23 | liable | mmm, hotdogs |
| 08:14.32 | tsocks | ;)) |
| 08:14.48 | tsocks | Azar: pv one moment.. |
| 08:14.59 | Azar | fyrestrtr: then you could try to download and compile the debian way, not guaranteed the libs will match... but worth a try |
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| 08:15.16 | Azar | tsocks: if you registered, if not pv no anda |
| 08:15.34 | yos87 | Hi |
| 08:15.42 | tsocks | Azar: i'm registered... jajaja, your spanish is good ;-))) ... |
| 08:15.50 | tsocks | "no anda" .. nice ;) |
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| 08:16.09 | fyrestrtr | Azar: I tried that -- but I ran into a problem. The package I was upgrading was python-paster; I installed it manually, then when I tried to install a package from etch that depending on python-paster, it wouldn't install because python-paster can't install :( |
| 08:16.24 | Azar | hmm it seems I lost my session... holdon |
| 08:16.37 | yos87 | I have question, in windows, when we right click the image, and add comments and details to the image, is this details is EXIF tags? or those are another tags? |
| 08:17.00 | cast | thats a windows question isn't it |
| 08:17.20 | liable | could be, or windows could add its own metadata file |
| 08:17.25 | Azar | query tsocks |
| 08:17.35 | liable | i would guess the latter |
| 08:17.35 | Azar | sorree |
| 08:18.05 | tsocks | no problem |
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| 08:18.53 | fyrestrtr | is there a mirror for security.debian.org ? |
| 08:19.11 | yos87 | I have question, in windows, when we right click the image, and add comments and details to the image, is this details is EXIF tags? or those are another tags? |
| 08:19.11 | yos87 | cast: no, I'm not able to see those comment on my debian pc when I move it, But, when trying to read the exif data through gimp, there is user comment and it show alot of numbers, it seems the notes I wrote, But not appear there |
| 08:19.27 | yos87 | liable: yea |
| 08:19.40 | yos87 | liable: how are you? |
| 08:19.44 | fyrestrtr | yos87: windows vista stores meta data separate from the image file. |
| 08:19.45 | yos87 | cast: no, I'm not able to see those comment on my debian pc when I move it, But, when trying to read the exif data through gimp, there is user comment and it show alot of numbers, it seems the notes I wrote, But not appear there |
| 08:20.33 | yos87 | fyrestrtr: I have windows xp |
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| 08:20.40 | liable | yos87: very good. i have a week off work and a beer in my hand |
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| 08:21.39 | yos87 | liable: you seems have good job there, always when I ask how are you , you said I have off day |
| 08:21.50 | liable | heh |
| 08:22.02 | liable | well, i just came back from two weeks work |
| 08:22.10 | fyrestrtr | yos87: "In Windows XP and later Microsoft operating systems, a subset of the Exif information may be viewed by right clicking on an image file and clicking properties; from the properties dialog click the Summary tab. However, this will damage certain Exif headers if changes are applied. Other Windows software like Exif Harvester may be more reliable." - wikipedia |
| 08:22.16 | yos87 | liable: before long time, you use to help me when I ask in debian, you still remember me? |
| 08:22.24 | cast | yos87: well, the program exif grabs exif data :). but your question is a windows question, maybe ##windows will know |
| 08:22.25 | liable | yos87: ya |
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| 08:24.26 | yos87 | cast: now, images is moved to debian desktop, and that metadata I'm not able to read, how can I write a new standard metadata work everywhere, for all file in same time\ |
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| 08:24.58 | fyrestrtr | yos87: use a third party exif plugin for windows. |
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| 08:26.22 | yos87 | fyrestrtr: use third party plugin for windows to see the standard metadata? |
| 08:27.32 | fyrestrtr | yes :) |
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| 08:28.04 | yos87 | fyrestrtr: how can I write exif metadata? in debian |
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| 08:28.08 | simonrvn | a) windows is off-topic here b) fyrestrtr: no security.d.o has no mirrors |
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| 08:28.15 | subx | im trying to mount NFS on a macbook pro and linux, both UID are different on both machines so im getting permission problems, ive tried using GUID only in the fstab but it doesnt work even if i add that group to the user. How do i mount NFS when 2 users have different UID + GUID in /etc/fstab ? |
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| 08:28.26 | Zvpun | hey, noatun played all my files now it hat stopped and doesnt play them anymore, It doesnt even tell me whats the problem but maybe debian removed plugins? (I have w32codecs installed) What packages do I need to check maybe some got uninstalled |
| 08:28.31 | yos87 | fyrestrtr: for many files in same time |
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| 08:29.14 | cast | subx: is it not feasable to align the uids? |
| 08:29.18 | yos87 | I comeback |
| 08:29.29 | tsocks_ | Azar: my connection was broken ;-) ... and tsocks is already online ;-) |
| 08:29.36 | subx | cast: i could do but wouldnt that mess debian up? |
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| 08:29.47 | subx | shall i manually edit /tr |
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| 08:29.54 | airox | Hi, why is the admin user a reserved name in the etch installations ? |
| 08:29.54 | subx | edit /etc/passwd + /etc/group |
| 08:30.12 | Azar | hehe kill it |
| 08:30.17 | cast | subx: if it was something >999 i wouldn't expect things to explode too badly, might have to chown -R a bit |
| 08:30.21 | tsocks_ | Azar: how ? |
| 08:30.26 | subx | ok |
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| 08:30.34 | cast | subx: wait for someone else to say something :) |
| 08:30.47 | liable | airox: you mean root? |
| 08:30.55 | fyrestrtr | something I have always wondered -- why is it that the netinstall cd image timezone selection dropdown, never has any tz other than those in the US listed? |
| 08:30.56 | Azar | tsocks_: if you got a password use the "ghost" command: /msd nickserv ghost tsocks |
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| 08:31.00 | kalleth^ | hey - i'm attempting to install Debian on my PC using 40r0-i386-netinst iso image. The CD boots fine, but then it can't detect and mount the CD-Rom - it fails with 'Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted" on the curses menu. I've tried booting with the kernel option ide=nodma but that didn't seem to help? |
| 08:31.01 | kalleth^ | Any ideas? |
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| 08:31.32 | fyrestrtr | kalleth^: bad burn? |
| 08:31.37 | kalleth^ | fyre, reburned at 16x |
| 08:31.40 | kalleth^ | still does the same |
| 08:32.05 | tsocks | Azar: thanks ;-) |
| 08:32.23 | Azar | kalleth^: you tell your BIOS to have the first primary boot on CDRom instead of floppy or HD: swap places, , save then it gonna take your CD |
| 08:32.51 | kalleth^ | let me give that a go |
| 08:32.53 | fyrestrtr | Azar: he said the cd boots fine -- so I don't think that is the problem? |
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| 08:33.10 | kalleth^ | aye |
| 08:33.13 | kalleth^ | it boots into the install menu |
| 08:33.16 | kalleth^ | goes through language selection |
| 08:33.22 | kalleth^ | THEN fails saying unable to mount install cd |
| 08:33.34 | kalleth^ | cd is set to first boot device |
| 08:33.36 | kalleth^ | and it's master on the IDE chan |
| 08:33.39 | Azar | damn then maybe the burn is not good |
| 08:33.44 | fyrestrtr | kalleth^: have you checksum'd the .iso ? |
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| 08:34.03 | kalleth^ | i'm on windows and never done a checksum before |
| 08:34.07 | yos87 | why gnome cannot show the exif data? |
| 08:34.07 | kalleth^ | what's a good way to do it |
| 08:34.21 | cast | google for a md5 app |
| 08:34.23 | liable | this is an old problem to which i havent ever seen a good answer to |
| 08:34.31 | fyrestrtr | yos87: EoG can. |
| 08:34.39 | kalleth^ | aye got one |
| 08:35.03 | cast | i think debootstrap is great. thus when the install cd fails theres still debootstrap! providing you can get a livecd to work, any livecd |
| 08:35.21 | airox | liable: No, "admin". |
| 08:35.32 | kalleth^ | 663b42887d30ce56589088e7943b5656 *debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 08:35.46 | liable | airox: there is no 'admin' user |
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| 08:35.58 | yos87 | fyrestrtr: you mean Eye of Gnome? |
| 08:36.01 | fyrestrtr | yes |
| 08:36.33 | airox | liable: I know, but when we want to create it during installation it says it is a reserved name |
| 08:36.50 | kalleth^ | yep the md5sums match |
| 08:36.55 | kalleth^ | burning again using a different program |
| 08:37.04 | liable | airox: any unix system, the admin account is called root |
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| 08:37.39 | airox | liable: Yes, I know :) |
| 08:37.52 | kalleth^ | i'm just using a standard ATAPI CDROM drive too |
| 08:38.01 | kalleth^ | and ubuntu works |
| 08:38.02 | kalleth^ | ;\ |
| 08:38.06 | kalleth^ | but i dislike ubuntu |
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| 08:38.24 | kalleth^ | hang on |
| 08:38.28 | airox | Does debian expect to use this user in the future ? |
| 08:38.39 | kalleth^ | i just saw some errors during the boot of the install CD - is there a way to pause the scroll? |
| 08:38.55 | netdaemon | debian much cleaner than ubuntu |
| 08:39.01 | fyrestrtr | kalleth^: the 'pause' key |
| 08:39.29 | kalleth^ | didn't work |
| 08:39.37 | kalleth^ | dammit |
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| 08:40.23 | kalleth^ | i've had deb on this system before ! |
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| 08:41.07 | tarzeau | anyone's got a thunderbird 2.x backport to etch? |
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| 08:42.50 | kalleth^ | if the system has ubuntu on it right now is there a way to put the install files on disk? |
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| 08:44.34 | cast | use debootstrap :\ |
| 08:44.56 | kalleth^ | forgive the newbie not-understanding - is there a guide to using debootstrap somewhere? |
| 08:45.08 | cast | sure thing, sec, googling |
| 08:45.36 | cast | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
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| 08:45.50 | liable | saying what? |
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| 08:46.10 | cast | you can probably use your ubuntu livecd to do it, too |
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| 08:46.47 | azeem | cast: please don't recommend debootstrap to people who have trouble with d-i |
| 08:46.55 | cast | azeem: why not? |
| 08:47.03 | cast | azeem: d-i is broken in his case isn't it? |
| 08:47.07 | azeem | because it's not an installation method |
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| 08:47.18 | cast | 'D.3. Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System' it isn't? |
| 08:47.25 | kalleth^ | hmm |
| 08:47.31 | kalleth^ | i suppose i could try downloading one of the full CD's? |
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| 08:47.38 | kalleth^ | instead of the netinst |
| 08:47.45 | kalleth^ | or burning the iso on a different cd burner |
| 08:48.27 | liable | if you have a linux system already, just get the hd-media images and add them to menu.lst and boot from them |
| 08:48.34 | azeem | kalleth^: or you can use a usb stick, or netboot |
| 08:48.41 | kalleth^ | usb stick sounds interesting |
| 08:48.47 | kalleth^ | i don't know if my mobo supports usb booting though |
| 08:48.49 | kalleth^ | netboot? |
| 08:49.46 | streuner | cast: debootstrap is mentioned in ig, but people have usually headaches.... |
| 08:49.49 | azeem | cast: that's interesting; I still think it should be the last resort, though |
| 08:50.07 | kalleth^ | hmm ok |
| 08:50.13 | azeem | cast: and you should at least mention that ig chapter, just throwing `debootstrap' at new users doesn't really help that much |
| 08:50.15 | kalleth^ | let me see if my mobo supports usb booting first |
| 08:50.29 | azeem | kalleth^: do you have a floppy drive? |
| 08:50.29 | yos87 | azeem: hi |
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| 08:50.33 | kalleth^ | cast: thanks for finding the link |
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| 08:50.46 | kalleth^ | azeem: unfortunately, i don't have a single one in the house :( |
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| 08:51.29 | Noborusan | Is woody still being supported ? |
| 08:51.37 | azeem | Noborusan: no |
| 08:51.45 | azeem | not by Debian, at least |
| 08:51.55 | azeem | you may find commercial support somewhere, not sure |
| 08:51.56 | Noborusan | means no security upgrade for woody anymore ? |
| 08:52.08 | azeem | Noborusan: for a long time now, yes; IIRC |
| 08:52.10 | kalleth^ | hmm |
| 08:52.18 | Noborusan | hmm |
| 08:52.19 | kalleth^ | mobo doesn't support booting from usb - let's see how the heck i could do netinst |
| 08:52.24 | kalleth^ | *netboot |
| 08:52.38 | kalleth^ | though i don't think the PC will boot from a network interface either |
| 08:52.47 | Noborusan | so maybe by the end of April,2008,by then sarge will lose support too ? |
| 08:53.00 | azeem | Noborusan: yes, approximately, I think |
| 08:53.04 | azeem | it hasn't been set in stone yet |
| 08:53.21 | Noborusan | I see |
| 08:53.22 | kalleth^ | hahaha |
| 08:53.23 | kalleth^ | fixed it |
| 08:53.30 | kalleth^ | in my bios there was an on-chip IDE configuration setting |
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| 08:53.38 | kalleth^ | for pata/sata configuration |
| 08:53.51 | kalleth^ | both drives are IDE, but i set it from native to LEGACY and all of a sudden deb works |
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| 08:54.05 | nemrak | how can i decrease the screen brightness? |
| 08:54.15 | Noborusan | I lost ssh to my etch server :( was just calling them to reboot my server for me |
| 08:54.17 | azeem | kalleth^: excellent |
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| 08:54.25 | HD | I have buy a new external HD of 500 GB for save backups and works, what filesystems you* recommends me to format it ? (only one partition) |
| 08:54.27 | liable | kpkg supports linux_image now? it's not documented.. |
| 08:54.30 | Olgem | I'm googling but I can't find any good guides on formatting my USB drive as J2FFS |
| 08:54.40 | tralala | nemrak, with xgamma |
| 08:54.46 | Olgem | cfdisk or gparted don't support it :? |
| 08:54.59 | HD | what FileSystem can be readed by MacOsX and linux ? (and write, of course) |
| 08:55.04 | nemrak | tralala, what is that? |
| 08:55.12 | azeem | Olgem: those are paritioner, not formatting tools |
| 08:55.13 | tralala | a tool |
| 08:55.27 | Olgem | azeem: I thought I could achieve the same functionality |
| 08:55.43 | Olgem | what formatting tool should I use? |
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| 08:56.40 | nemrak | tralala, isnt that in the xbase-clients package? |
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| 08:57.05 | HD | Olgem: why j2ffs ? |
| 08:57.48 | Olgem | HD, I feel like it :/... and I hear I can have my flash storage lead a longer life by minimuzing wear |
| 08:57.57 | tralala | nemrak, yes, it is |
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| 08:58.56 | tralala | Olgem, the life of the flash storage is long enough that you will throw it away yourself before it's worn off |
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| 08:59.02 | gui__ | hi, I need to know if x86_64 release exist ? |
| 08:59.07 | vaq | How do i block incoming traffic on port 8080 on eth0 but not on eth1? |
| 08:59.10 | nemrak | tralala, it doesnt seem to be doing anything |
| 08:59.15 | tralala | !d-i gui__ |
| 08:59.15 | dpkg | gui__, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 08:59.36 | cydork | !tell gui__ -about amd64 |
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| 08:59.54 | Olgem | tralala, I'd just like a link to a guide or something, I wanted to experiment... |
| 09:00.17 | gui__ | in fact I don't use an amd processor |
| 09:00.30 | gui__ | it's the same support isn't it ? |
| 09:00.35 | tralala | it is |
| 09:00.42 | cydork | gui__: amd64 name is misleading. |
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| 09:02.32 | gui__ | ok |
| 09:02.56 | gui__ | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:02.56 | gui__ | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 09:03.00 | yos87 | fyrestrtr: i found program for windows, exifer, it's good, but it's trial need regeistration code |
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| 09:03.19 | kryptoz | Hi all :) |
| 09:03.19 | simonrvn | this is not #windows |
| 09:03.21 | gui__ | it's a 64b depot ? |
| 09:03.25 | netdaemon | =O |
| 09:03.25 | netdaemon | nspluginwrapper |
| 09:03.25 | netdaemon | sweet |
| 09:03.25 | netdaemon | made it to lenny =) |
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| 09:03.38 | gui__ | or perhaps I make a mistake |
| 09:04.03 | tralala | gui__, do you have a 32bit installation already? |
| 09:04.11 | gui__ | where the system know if it must download 64b ? |
| 09:04.15 | gui__ | no it's a 64b installation |
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| 09:04.27 | gui__ | file /bin/ls |
| 09:04.27 | gui__ | /bin/ls: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped |
| 09:04.29 | tralala | the system just knows |
| 09:04.47 | gui__ | ok |
| 09:04.53 | tralala | the repo is the same for all the arches |
| 09:05.00 | haiz | hi i'm installing etch now on a machine but it hang at configuring apt scanning the mirror.. |
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| 09:05.05 | gui__ | great |
| 09:05.06 | haiz | any ways to abort it |
| 09:05.23 | gui__ | thank you ;) |
| 09:05.36 | netdaemon | wtf? |
| 09:05.51 | kryptoz | I got a doubt. I have a script which I started in the background and now I want to redirect the output to a file. How do i do that ? |
| 09:06.03 | liable | haiz: do you have much linux experience? |
| 09:06.03 | irwiss | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.04 | kalleth^ | is it normal for the install screen to go blank for a while (blue curses screen with blank white bar at the bottom) after selecting the package mirror? |
| 09:06.26 | haiz | i have linux experience |
| 09:06.27 | kalleth^ | haha |
| 09:06.40 | kalleth^ | yeah, it was downloading the package list ~5mb |
| 09:06.55 | Olgem | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.01 | Olgem | D: |
| 09:07.06 | haiz | its not moving for more than 30 mins,no information just scanning the mirror |
| 09:07.07 | kalleth^ | i think so too |
| 09:07.20 | kalleth^ | haiz: is there network activity on the port the machine is on? |
| 09:07.25 | haiz | i wouldrather do a manual apt-get update |
| 09:07.33 | irwiss | haiz, one of the virtual terminals should have a kind of tail -f syslog running |
| 09:07.33 | liable | haiz: so go to tty2 and kill the process. when apt hangs like that one install, its easiest to just unplug the net and install base from cd then upgrade after reboot |
| 09:07.41 | tralala | kryptoz, you can't |
| 09:07.43 | haiz | yes early part of the installation it scanned itself on the dhcp server |
| 09:07.52 | HD | Olgem: any link where i can read about its features ? (j2ffs) |
| 09:08.07 | simonrvn | alt-f4 for the log |
| 09:08.07 | HD | I have buy a new external HD of 500 GB for save backups and works, what filesystems you* recommends me to format it ? (only one partition) |
| 09:08.13 | Olgem | well, let me grab one, it just interested me |
| 09:08.39 | simonrvn | HD: something reliable like ext3 |
| 09:08.49 | Olgem | ext3 journalling with one inode for each 4mb |
| 09:09.02 | Olgem | if you are storing movies and big stuff |
| 09:09.08 | cydork | gui__: actually you can just check it with dpkg-architecture |
| 09:09.08 | HD | simonrvn: what you think about reiserfs (3) or XFS ? (not sure about that last one), or JFS ? |
| 09:09.19 | simonrvn | or jfs, mounted with utf8 iocharset |
| 09:09.29 | azeem | HD: how many users does your server serve? |
| 09:09.36 | simonrvn | HD: stay away from reiser at all costs |
| 09:09.39 | Jordan_U | HD, Use Reiserfs if your data isn't worth much too you :) |
| 09:09.53 | gui__ | cydork, ok |
| 09:10.02 | HD | azeem: is for my personal computer, for save backups and works (basically, any thing) |
| 09:10.14 | azeem | HD: I don't see a reason not to use ext3 then |
| 09:10.15 | HD | simonrvn: hu, why ? |
| 09:10.17 | simonrvn | xfs is ok, but not very good at journal recovery after a lock up or power outage |
| 09:10.18 | cydork | HD: go for ext3 then |
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| 09:10.27 | liable | ext4! |
| 09:10.38 | simonrvn | the best journalling ones IME are ext3 and jfs |
| 09:10.50 | Greyscale | atleast its not murdererFS |
| 09:10.56 | haiz | alt-f4 shows "choose-mirror[30114]: DEBUG: command: wget -q http:/mirror.nus.edu.sg/Debian//dists/stable/Release -O - | grep ^Suite: | cut -d' ' -f 2 |
| 09:11.00 | Greyscale | sorry, that was bad taste. |
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| 09:11.05 | HD | maybe i can try JFS... i have ear good things about it |
| 09:11.18 | tralala | murder suspect only |
| 09:11.25 | HD | Greyscale: i personally like reiserfs and from my experiencie is a good FS |
| 09:11.26 | kryptoz | tralala: thank you |
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| 09:11.44 | simonrvn | it's a bit finicky if it goes out, but once you replay the log it's as if nothing happened |
| 09:11.50 | cast | reiserfs takes too long to mount, so i wouldn't use it here where the HD is going to get mount/un often |
| 09:11.56 | liable | haiz: try a different mirror if you want. i still think just pull the plug |
| 09:12.00 | Greyscale | HD, I know, ReiserFS is good, but I had to let the voice in my head to talk |
| 09:12.01 | irwiss | haiz, ps -A|grep wget and kill whatever process seems likely to be the cause |
| 09:12.06 | Olgem | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFFS2 |
| 09:12.08 | simonrvn | reiser is only if you don't care what you put on it |
| 09:12.14 | simonrvn | only good* |
| 09:12.33 | haiz | right will kill wget |
| 09:12.35 | haiz | brb |
| 09:12.45 | HD | cast: its true that's a bit slow to mount, but i don't think that's really a reason for not use a FS (at least if is a good FS) |
| 09:13.01 | simonrvn | the author sacrificed stability and data integrity for speed |
| 09:13.11 | HD | thx Olgem |
| 09:13.14 | irwiss | I had root partition on reiserfs on a laptop for over a year with no issues. I truly don't get it why people have a grudge against reiserfs |
| 09:13.32 | liable | simonrvn: sign of the times ;) |
| 09:13.36 | petemc | irwiss: because lots of people had different experiences than you |
| 09:13.38 | simonrvn | because it's crap |
| 09:13.41 | petemc | whereby they lost data |
| 09:13.43 | Olgem | They are also doing LogFS as the successor to J2FFS |
| 09:13.54 | kalleth^ | haha - i'm just browsing a wiki page for Tor and i read this |
| 09:13.55 | kalleth^ | Users in countries with oppressive tyrannical regimes, such as Norway, risk being covertly tortured for sharing their opinion in public debates. |
| 09:13.58 | kalleth^ | such as Norway? :p |
| 09:14.05 | HD | simonrvn: well, i have work very time with the version 3 and it works pretty well and good stable ( i don't know about 4) |
| 09:14.18 | HD | and XFS seems really insecure (very fast, btw) |
| 09:14.27 | Olgem | insecure? |
| 09:14.29 | cast | insecure in what aspect? |
| 09:14.31 | tralala | reiserfs is fine and I have no pity whatsoever for anybody who's not making backups |
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| 09:15.15 | HD | cast: well, unstable |
| 09:15.23 | HD | at least is what i have ear |
| 09:15.42 | HD | if it crash.. aparently you can lost all without possibility to recover |
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| 09:16.17 | cast | if you pull the power cable with when writing to open files...or some such, then weird things happen, if iirc |
| 09:16.38 | Olgem | df -H does gibibytes? |
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| 09:16.57 | HD | Olgem: JFFS2 uses compression "on the fly" ? |
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| 09:17.22 | Olgem | HD: Heh, you're asking the wrong person. I'm not sure what a log-filsystem is even. I just wanted to format my usb key that way. |
| 09:17.42 | netdaemon | jffs2? |
| 09:17.53 | Olgem | its for solid state stroage like flash |
| 09:17.56 | Olgem | NAND and NOR |
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| 09:18.17 | irwiss | Olgem, how much storage space is on your usb key? |
| 09:18.29 | Olgem | in 1000 or 1024? |
| 09:18.40 | irwiss | In whatever, that's not the point ;P |
| 09:18.41 | Olgem | about 950Mb or so |
| 09:18.54 | HD | Olgem: install the package mtd-tools and you have mkfs.jffs2 |
| 09:18.59 | Olgem | ok |
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| 09:19.22 | irwiss | I'm willing to bet $20 that you'll be replacing your key before it wears off |
| 09:19.36 | irwiss | Under normal usage ofc |
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| 09:20.03 | earthian | Hello |
| 09:20.17 | irwiss | With fat32* hmm.... I should imply less |
| 09:20.23 | earthian | WHERE the FUCK is VLC in lenny NOW? also WTF is going on with nvidia drivers? |
| 09:20.26 | earthian | FFS |
| 09:20.32 | earthian | stop playing with repos guys |
| 09:20.36 | earthian | :/ |
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| 09:20.43 | Olgem | HS, mtdtools gives me the ability to use mkfs.jffs2? |
| 09:20.45 | earthian | you make me very disappointed |
| 09:20.46 | HD | lol |
| 09:20.50 | Olgem | :< |
| 09:20.50 | simonrvn | this is me caring |
| 09:20.54 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.06 | HD | Olgem: yes, dpkg -L mtd-tools | grep bin ;) |
| 09:21.12 | tralala | earthian, this is what you get for not sticking with stable. Don't expect any pity. |
| 09:21.15 | Jordan_U_ | irwiss, How long do you think a flash drive being used as a live installation would work? |
| 09:21.18 | HD | Olgem: from root, of course (mkfs...) |
| 09:21.29 | earthian | tralala, its not sid either.. but i heard there is vlc in sid |
| 09:21.30 | earthian | or so |
| 09:21.31 | Olgem | ah >_< |
| 09:21.50 | tralala | so what? |
| 09:22.06 | earthian | :/ |
| 09:22.11 | tralala | !pal earthian |
| 09:22.22 | HD | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_file_systems |
| 09:22.40 | HD | we not are on a monopol of FS :) lol |
| 09:23.17 | HD | btw, what about reiser 4 and the dancing trees ? :) |
| 09:23.31 | tralala | waiting for Hans to be released |
| 09:23.40 | earthian | tralala, not funny :/... have you any suggestion for me what to do with vlc now? and nvidia drivers maybe? |
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| 09:24.04 | tralala | earthian, as a matter of fact I do - install stable. |
| 09:24.34 | earthian | :/ |
| 09:24.47 | HD | tralala: well, what i have ear about reiser 4 is very good, maybe i try it on the future :) |
| 09:25.12 | tralala | HD, perhaps you haven't heard the kernel devs speaking about it |
| 09:25.20 | HD | hehe |
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| 09:25.46 | Azar | earthian: that why Lenni is called "testing" for us to play with the repos |
| 09:26.04 | HD | well, "very good" no... maybe "very good ideas" |
| 09:26.18 | tsocks | see you guys... |
| 09:26.22 | tsocks | bye |
| 09:26.26 | HD | BTW, what filesystems read's MacOsX ? aparently can't read (+write) any linux FS ? :/ |
| 09:26.33 | Azar | man I am dissapointed in gplv3, it should have a line there to say: behead the proprietary software |
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| 09:26.47 | Jordan_U_ | HD, hfs+ and ufs |
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| 09:27.05 | netdaemon | i'm a lenny user myself, i'v not had problems with it except some packages missing every so often |
| 09:27.06 | siimo | hi guys how do i play mms with totem player? i get the following error : The playback of this movie requires a Microsoft Media Server (MMS) protocol source plugin which is not installed. |
| 09:27.11 | HD | Jordan_U_: but we don't write on HFS+ correct ? is a FS like NTFS for linux aparently |
| 09:27.39 | Azar | siimo: the greedy bastards made it for win-only |
| 09:27.49 | simonrvn | HD: you can, or used to... |
| 09:27.54 | Jordan_U_ | HD, You can write to HFS+ as long as journaling is disabled, not sure I would recommend it though |
| 09:28.14 | petemc | mplayer does mms |
| 09:28.27 | Azar | speaking proprietary drivers, samsung is screwed royally, the linux drivers are going bonkers |
| 09:28.31 | earthian | Azar, shouldnt you play with sid before playing with lenny? :S |
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| 09:29.06 | earthian | also anyway.. when is these things going back ? do you have any plans on putting back stuff that is no more? |
| 09:29.09 | Azar | earthian: played with sid once, died a slow long death... therefore I moved 3 versions back |
| 09:29.19 | HD | Jordan_U: well, not seems a good option then :/ specially for use more on my linux system than on macosx |
| 09:29.24 | evilgeek | Azar: you're on potato? |
| 09:29.29 | Azar | hahahahaha |
| 09:29.45 | HD | lol |
| 09:29.48 | Azar | nope lets see sid-nope, lenny-nope, sarge-yes |
| 09:29.58 | Azar | wait forgot etch-nope |
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| 09:30.13 | Jordan_U | HD, In my dream world OSx and Linux will get zfs and all will be right with the world :) |
| 09:30.25 | Doat | i'm having troubles booting my selfbuilt kernel 2.6.18. it says that there's something wrong with the root=/dev/hda4 option (can't remember the exact error message). i wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that there is no initrd.img file for this kernel? |
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| 09:30.58 | HD | WinFS - Windows Future Storage, currently still in beta and in use internally at Microsoft, it is planned as the successor to NTFS. |
| 09:31.00 | Azar | Doat: I guess initrd was replaced by initramfs? |
| 09:31.01 | HD | hu! |
| 09:31.15 | petemc | Doat: did you compile it in such a way that an initrd is required |
| 09:31.15 | streuner | Doat: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 09:31.21 | petemc | Azar: huh? |
| 09:31.33 | HD | Jordan_U: why macosx not are linux-friendly ? :/ |
| 09:31.34 | Azar | mister petemc! what a pleasure.. |
| 09:31.36 | Doat | streuner: ii libc6 2.5-9+b1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 09:31.41 | Doat | petemc: i have no idea |
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| 09:31.52 | streuner | !info libc6 testing |
| 09:31.55 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.6-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 4309 kB, Installed size: 10416 kB |
| 09:31.59 | petemc | Doat: that begs the question, why are you compiling.. ? |
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| 09:32.05 | Azar | petemc: wasn't initrd replaced with initramfs on Etch? |
| 09:32.08 | Doat | i simply installed the source package and built with default configuration |
| 09:32.15 | HD | petemc: i don't think thats replaced, but is a newest/better one |
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| 09:32.23 | Doat | petemc: i need to build vmmon module for vmware player |
| 09:32.23 | petemc | Azar: mkinitrd was, yeah, but the term "initrd" is still valid |
| 09:32.24 | Jordan_U | HD, Because someone made a perfectly good ext driver for them and they broke it with Tiger |
| 09:32.25 | HD | ops, Azar i mena |
| 09:32.35 | Azar | oh oh thanks guys |
| 09:32.46 | Doat | petemc: and it says that the header files i gave don't match the running kernel |
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| 09:32.53 | tralala | Doat, compiling extra modules doesn't require compiling the whole kernel |
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| 09:33.01 | Doat | i know.. |
| 09:33.05 | petemc | Doat: that doesnt require you to recompile the whole kernel |
| 09:33.10 | netdaemon | modconf! |
| 09:33.12 | petemc | damn, too slow |
| 09:33.18 | tralala | !lose petemc |
| 09:33.18 | dpkg | petemc: You Lose. |
| 09:33.21 | petemc | :( |
| 09:33.25 | Doat | petemc: probably doesn't. but i don't know how to solve it otherwise |
| 09:33.28 | streuner | !win tralala |
| 09:33.28 | dpkg | Congratulations, tralala! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 09:33.47 | tralala | Am I handsome or what! |
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| 09:34.02 | petemc | Doat: well, it appears you dont know how to compile kernels either - its probably easier and quicker to learn how to build the modules |
| 09:34.37 | Doat | petemc: would you like me to give you the errors that i get when trying to build the module or should i ask #vmware? |
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| 09:35.12 | petemc | Doat: i have no preference either way |
| 09:35.18 | paul__ | What is better cfengine, Bcfg2 or puppet? |
| 09:35.35 | netdaemon | ;_; |
| 09:35.49 | netdaemon | i'm so happy ;_; |
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| 09:37.00 | Doat | petemc: well here it is http://paste.lisp.org/display/44793 |
| 09:37.32 | petemc | thats a known issue with insmod |
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| 09:37.55 | Doat | oh? |
| 09:38.01 | streuner | shay: line 1: 4598 Segmentation fault |
| 09:38.35 | petemc | Doat: using the full path /sbin/insmod , i believe fixes it |
| 09:38.46 | metbsd | is there dns management solution for web interface |
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| 09:39.25 | streuner | not in Debian, we throw all webbased stuff out |
| 09:39.33 | cydork | Doat: also you will get more help in #vmware |
| 09:39.34 | streuner | linuxconf, webmin or such |
| 09:39.42 | petemc | Doat: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425458 |
| 09:39.44 | Doat | cydork: not last time i asked |
| 09:40.04 | Doat | but i'll try again |
| 09:40.24 | streuner | metbsd: webmin hat a module, called webmin-bind, IIRC |
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| 09:40.35 | streuner | metbsd: s/hat/had/ |
| 09:41.28 | streuner | !webmin |
| 09:41.28 | dpkg | methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
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| 09:42.29 | HD_ | As of 2004, synthetic benchmarks performed by Namesys show that Reiser4 is 10 to 15 times faster than its most serious competitor ext3 working on files smaller than 1 KiB. |
| 09:42.32 | HD_ | wow |
| 09:43.06 | Jordan_U | Reserfs does really well with small files |
| 09:43.11 | streuner | yeah, its faster, but keep in mind, not well tested... |
| 09:43.28 | HD_ | well, i think that the better candidate is JFS :) |
| 09:43.36 | netdaemon | HD_, http://linuxgazette.net/122/TWDT.html |
| 09:43.42 | liable | !start a fs war |
| 09:43.42 | dpkg | ufs will eat all your data!! |
| 09:43.55 | netdaemon | eh that might be the wrong page... |
| 09:44.10 | tralala | the only thing to (always) keep in mind is to make (cron) backups |
| 09:44.13 | netdaemon | damn dial =\ |
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| 09:44.20 | netdaemon | http://linuxgazette.net/122/TWDT.html#piszcz |
| 09:44.24 | netdaemon | there we go |
| 09:44.36 | HD_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Journaled_File_System_2_%28JFS2%29 |
| 09:44.45 | liable | then you need to follow the install for the iwl modules |
| 09:44.47 | netdaemon | jfs and xfs are the speed contenders :P |
| 09:44.54 | liable | stupid me |
| 09:45.09 | HD_ | hum, interesting |
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| 09:45.19 | irwiss | Jordan_U, normal use != running an os on it, and if it were that, tmpfs would get most writing hits rather than the flash, I've my 2gb sd flash for over a year with intensive use(filling it every day with random files and purging at home) still no writes failing |
| 09:45.27 | HD_ | netdaemon: is JFS a "stable/secure" FS ? recommended for use on the root and home partitions ? |
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| 09:45.58 | netdaemon | my roomate used it for a while, had no problems |
| 09:46.09 | netdaemon | only reason i don't use it is lack of documentation and support |
| 09:46.29 | netdaemon | much easier to find support for ext3 and reiser |
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| 09:46.42 | streuner | !filesystems |
| 09:46.43 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. medium-speed but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. slow, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
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| 09:47.48 | wols_ | what does "*huge*" mean for xfs? |
| 09:47.51 | hurr | hi there everyone! |
| 09:48.02 | liable | heloo! |
| 09:48.03 | HD_ | streuner: dpkg says that JFS is slow, but after to see those benchmarks by netdaemon it looks pretty fast |
| 09:48.19 | hurr | I have great news for all debian users! :)( |
| 09:48.21 | netdaemon | not my benchmarks |
| 09:48.22 | netdaemon | lol |
| 09:48.25 | netdaemon | hurr, ? |
| 09:48.27 | hurr | WORMTAIL DOBBY SNAPE FRED HEDWIG MAD-EYE TONKS LUPID AND COLIN CREEVY ALL DIE |
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| 09:48.41 | hurr | WORMTAIL DOBBY SNAPE FRED HEDWIG MAD-EYE TONKS LUPIN AND COLIN CREEVY ALL DIE |
| 09:48.43 | hurr | WORMTAIL DOBBY SNAPE FRED HEDWIG MAD-EYE TONKS LUPIN AND COLIN CREEVY ALL DIE |
| 09:48.44 | cydork | !ops hurr is spamming |
| 09:48.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cydork complains about: hurr is spamming |
| 09:48.45 | wols_ | !ops |
| 09:48.45 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 09:48.47 | hurr | LOL! |
| 09:48.52 | Roldemort | tell me sirs, is you apt-get quite magical? |
| 09:48.53 | hurr | WORMTAIL DOBBY SNAPE FRED HEDWIG MAD-EYE TONKS LUPIN AND COLIN CREEVY ALL DIE |
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| 09:49.18 | streuner | thanks tomaw |
| 09:49.18 | tessa-- | Looks like a dickless bastard is trying to have a one-man penis-waving contest. How boring. |
| 09:49.19 | netdaemon | wow |
| 09:49.20 | Roldemort | I can tell you how to improve it through the use of your wnads |
| 09:49.37 | HD_ | lol, he's totally crazy ? why has made that ? for what ? |
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| 09:49.46 | wols_ | Roldemort: do you have a debian question? |
| 09:49.50 | Roldemort | yes |
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| 09:50.28 | Roldemort | does the current grub package support xfs on /boot yet? |
| 09:50.36 | netdaemon | no |
| 09:50.45 | semprix | guys it is possible to have two HDD 1 debian and the other one is winxp |
| 09:50.52 | netdaemon | semprix, yes |
| 09:50.58 | liable | tomaw: irc cop or debian op? |
| 09:51.06 | semprix | netdaemon, how do i do it? |
| 09:51.10 | streuner | liable: stuff member |
| 09:51.12 | semprix | got any url |
| 09:51.13 | semprix | ?? |
| 09:51.13 | cydork | liable: staffer. |
| 09:51.14 | Roldemort | also |
| 09:51.18 | liable | k |
| 09:51.18 | Roldemort | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:51.19 | semprix | docs maybe that i can refer to |
| 09:51.19 | Roldemort | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:51.19 | Roldemort | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:51.19 | Roldemort | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:51.19 | Roldemort | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:51.20 | netdaemon | semprix, the installer should be able to handle it just fine |
| 09:51.28 | semprix | ohh i see |
| 09:51.42 | semprix | which is act as slave? |
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| 09:51.44 | Jordan_U | Saw that coming a mile away |
| 09:51.52 | semprix | the hdd for debian or the windows one? |
| 09:52.05 | streuner | liable: /msg chanserv access #debian list |
| 09:52.10 | netdaemon | semprix, i'd put debian on slave, windows is real picky about being on master or slave...often prefers master |
| 09:52.19 | semprix | ohh |
| 09:52.24 | semprix | yeah windows like to be on top |
| 09:52.27 | semprix | thanks netdaemon |
| 09:52.28 | semprix | :) |
| 09:52.31 | netdaemon | yep |
| 09:52.33 | semprix | appreciate it :) |
| 09:52.49 | netdaemon | semprix, install windows first btw |
| 09:53.06 | HD_ | ok ppl, JFS is my choice :) |
| 09:53.07 | semprix | yeah i already have windows on the other drive |
| 09:53.12 | netdaemon | alright |
| 09:53.15 | netdaemon | should be fine then |
| 09:53.17 | semprix | :) |
| 09:53.23 | semprix | thank you |
| 09:53.31 | semprix | how about the boot loaders? |
| 09:53.37 | semprix | how do i manage it? |
| 09:54.04 | netdaemon | debian does it automaticly for the most part, but if you want to do it manually you must edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:54.27 | semprix | ok |
| 09:54.28 | semprix | thanks |
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| 09:54.46 | HD_ | netdaemon: thx for the benchmark link, very good one |
| 09:54.52 | netdaemon | no prob |
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| 09:55.37 | netdaemon | speed != reliability though |
| 09:56.35 | semprix | :) |
| 09:56.39 | semprix | backing up my files now |
| 09:56.46 | HD_ | netdaemon: is linux-gazette not included on debian repos anymore ? |
| 09:57.15 | netdaemon | i guess not =\ |
| 09:57.18 | netdaemon | its not here anymore either |
| 09:57.55 | HD_ | :(8 |
| 09:58.49 | HD_ | hum... curious, mkfs.jfs -O provides case-insensitive support |
| 10:01.36 | Doat | my / partition (/home/ is another partition) is almost full and i found that /var is taking up half of the space. is it safe to delete some of it's contents? |
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| 10:01.59 | tessa-- | depends on what you're deleting. logs? maybe. mail spool? maybe not. |
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| 10:02.00 | Jordan_U | Doat, Depends on what you delete |
| 10:02.09 | Doat | Jordan_U: /var/log? |
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| 10:02.37 | netdaemon | aptitude autoclean may help |
| 10:02.52 | Doat | netdaemon: ok i'll try that |
| 10:03.24 | Doat | freed 1433MB O_O |
| 10:03.30 | Doat | n1 |
| 10:03.42 | Doat | should be enough for a while |
| 10:03.54 | netdaemon | lol |
| 10:04.14 | cast | Doat: having /var on its own partition is suggested by some |
| 10:04.17 | netdaemon | that cleaned out all the old packages that aren't in the repo btw |
| 10:04.28 | netdaemon | if you want to clean them all aptitude clean should do |
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| 10:05.15 | Doat | netdaemon: so what does aptitude clean delete? |
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| 10:05.30 | netdaemon | all the packages in your cache |
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| 10:05.50 | netdaemon | autoclean just removes the old ones that are no longer available |
| 10:05.54 | tomaw | liable: freenode staff :) |
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| 10:06.09 | zrin | how can I check if an ext3 fs is out of inodes (free space but can't create files)? |
| 10:06.10 | Doat | netdaemon: ok... so after the packages are installed they are no longer needed? |
| 10:06.20 | Doat | unless i want to reinstall or whatever |
| 10:06.24 | netdaemon | Doat, not really, unless you want to keep them for backup purposes |
| 10:06.30 | Doat | ok |
| 10:06.35 | liable | tomaw: cool, havent seen you and thought you may have been a new op not added to the !ops cmd |
| 10:07.16 | netdaemon | i make a habit to run autoclean every so often |
| 10:07.27 | netdaemon | i like having a backup of my cache incase i have to reinstall...slow connection |
| 10:07.42 | tomaw | liable: Ah, I hilight on all ops requests ;) |
| 10:07.47 | zrin | ... how to count number of files under a distinct directory (with subs)? |
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| 10:08.30 | liable | no |
| 10:08.47 | liable | echan |
| 10:08.57 | TiMiDo | hey how do you installed the java plugin for mozilla? |
| 10:09.11 | TiMiDo | i've try installing it but is not working |
| 10:09.17 | _3yE_ | i have a strange problem. i'm running debian sid and have a new KPowerSave 0.7.2, which uses HAL instead of powersaved to do its tasks. Now, hibernate works using pm-hibernate, which i believe belongs to HAL, but in KPowerSave the hibernate command only locks the screen. How can the problem be narrowed down? |
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| 10:10.23 | cast | zrin: tune2fs -l /dev/sda1|grep 'Free inodes' |
| 10:11.30 | zrin | cast: thank you ... 0 free inodes - is there a way to change it (temporary)? |
| 10:13.43 | netdaemon | is the uswsusp commonly known as suspend2? |
| 10:13.51 | zrin | cast: it seems I'll have to mkfs.ext3 again, this time with more inodes |
| 10:13.57 | _3yE_ | netdaemon: no. |
| 10:14.08 | netdaemon | hm |
| 10:14.18 | _3yE_ | netdaemon: uswsusp is s2disk, s2ram and s2both |
| 10:14.54 | simonrvn | netdaemon: hm, if xfs isn't supported, what is /boot/grub/xfs_stage1_5 ? ;) |
| 10:15.17 | _3yE_ | netdaemon: suspend2 is a totally different implementation and using in in debian would reqiuere a kernel recompile, i believe. |
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| 10:15.36 | netdaemon | simonrvn, all i know is that during install debian still insists on lilo for the bootloader |
| 10:15.52 | netdaemon | hm |
| 10:15.57 | simonrvn | meh that sucks |
| 10:16.05 | netdaemon | wonder if it works for my laptop |
| 10:16.13 | netdaemon | i know suspend2 does...not sure about this |
| 10:16.38 | simonrvn | i have jfs /boot |
| 10:16.44 | kam87 | Hello, How do you switch the language of a debian install. I've switched the language for users but not for the system so the login screen is still in english. What file controlls the language settings? |
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| 10:16.59 | valdyn | !locales |
| 10:16.59 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 10:17.10 | netdaemon | guess it dosn't hurt to try it |
| 10:17.14 | kam87 | thanx |
| 10:17.45 | _3yE_ | netdaemon: uswsuspend is really quite versatile, fast and guesses requiered workarounds quite well. |
| 10:17.49 | netdaemon | or does it >_> |
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| 10:19.00 | netdaemon | do i need hibernate installed as well? |
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| 10:21.23 | _3yE_ | netdaemon: hibernate is optional. just try s2disk first. |
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| 10:21.32 | netdaemon | alright |
| 10:21.58 | netdaemon | generating an initrd right now.... |
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| 10:22.36 | zrin | I have run out of inodes on an ext3 fs, then I've deleted 60000 fiels from it, but tune2fs -l still shows 0 free inodes?!? |
| 10:23.19 | netdaemon | well then...i'll brb |
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| 10:25.48 | netdaemon | seems my usb died |
| 10:25.50 | netdaemon | everything else is fine |
| 10:26.11 | netdaemon | hrm...i'd like for s2ram to work |
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| 10:27.58 | jakub_ | t |
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| 10:29.17 | _3yE_ | netdaemon: another possibility is to install the hibernate script, configure it to use uswsusp (or it will do so alone if you don't have working suspend2), and there might be some workaround. |
| 10:29.30 | _3yE_ | netdaemon: what kind of usb device died? |
| 10:29.39 | netdaemon | my usb mouse |
| 10:29.52 | _3yE_ | replug helps? |
| 10:29.57 | netdaemon | nope |
| 10:30.02 | _3yE_ | weird. |
| 10:30.05 | netdaemon | even in a different port |
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| 10:30.19 | Uatschitchun | Hi all! |
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| 10:30.41 | netdaemon | i think all the ports died =O |
| 10:30.42 | HD | how i can use the "security updates" (repo) on etch ? |
| 10:30.44 | Uatschitchun | Someone here able to help me out with a little sane (scanner) problem? |
| 10:30.54 | netdaemon | dmesg dosn't register it being plugged in |
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| 10:32.10 | _3yE_ | i'll repost my question. i'm running debian sid and have a new KPowerSave 0.7.2, which uses HAL instead of powersaved to do its tasks. Now, hibernate works using pm-hibernate, which i believe belongs to HAL, but in KPowerSave the hibernate command only locks the screen. How do i figure out why HAL hibernation is not being called? |
| 10:32.18 | tralala | HD, deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 10:32.25 | Uatschitchun | Main prob is: using sane over lan (local scanning works well) ... if running 'saned -d' the client can connect very well ... if running through 'inetd.conf' it does not work ?! |
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| 10:33.25 | netdaemon | well i'm out |
| 10:33.25 | netdaemon | later |
| 10:33.44 | metbsd | whats RCPT in smtp |
| 10:35.52 | Gathond | recipient |
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| 10:37.47 | metbsd | RCPT TO: |
| 10:38.03 | metbsd | what about the sender? |
| 10:38.09 | HD | tralala: and what exactly that does ? upgrade possible packages that needs a upgrade ?= |
| 10:38.12 | `mx | MAIL FROM: |
| 10:39.02 | dondelelcaro | that's actually the envelope from |
| 10:39.45 | metbsd | where does it define attachment? |
| 10:40.01 | dondelelcaro | metbsd: that's internal to the message |
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| 10:40.46 | Aaron_ | hey how do i stop from gdm to start up at boot? |
| 10:40.51 | Aaron_ | so i can stop the annoying script |
| 10:40.59 | metbsd | so that's included in message body? |
| 10:41.22 | cast | Aaron_: man update-rc.d |
| 10:41.34 | dondelelcaro | metbsd: yes |
| 10:41.41 | dondelelcaro | has nothing to do with SMTP |
| 10:42.02 | dondelelcaro | !nodm |
| 10:42.02 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 10:46.56 | TiMiDo | mount -o noatime -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt how do i put that on /etc/fstab and to have access to writte to it? |
| 10:47.24 | massctrl | hi, is it possible to have xorg started without a graphical card installed so I can connect to it with remote software? I was wondering how to get xorg started,... having the remote software installed and configured is another thing,.. |
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| 10:47.58 | TiMiDo | so i can writte to a my external harddrive i've put rw? |
| 10:48.01 | cast | TiMiDo: man fstab will tell you the syntax, you probably want user as an option |
| 10:48.08 | TiMiDo | iser? |
| 10:48.15 | TiMiDo | cast, rw,user? |
| 10:48.48 | simonrvn | massctrl: the xserver is run on your machine, you launch an x base app from remote |
| 10:48.54 | mancubus | Does anyone know how I may generate DHCP Request with needed options? dhcpclient can't request options(66,67) I need this to check DHCP Server |
| 10:48.56 | liable | umask for fstab |
| 10:49.00 | liable | vfat |
| 10:50.06 | kalleth^ | hey, once you've installed a base debian install from the network CD what's the apt-get command you run in the shell to install all standard packages? |
| 10:50.10 | kalleth^ | and gnome/x? |
| 10:50.21 | liable | tasksel |
| 10:51.03 | kalleth^ | thanks |
| 10:51.14 | kalleth^ | in other news, my desk looks awesome |
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| 10:51.36 | simonrvn | in oter news, my patch was crap :/ |
| 10:51.55 | simonrvn | that's what you get when you make patches at 4:30 in the am |
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| 10:52.36 | daya | z |
| 10:52.43 | simonrvn | aa |
| 10:52.53 | Uatschitchun | No one here able to help with sane? |
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| 10:54.31 | simonrvn | no, going to sleep |
| 10:55.36 | Ganja | Hello everyone |
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| 10:58.24 | kalleth^ | hmm |
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| 10:58.38 | kalleth^ | when i do tasksel it exits after 'installed libgtkhtml2' with 'tasksel: aptitude failed (255)' |
| 10:58.41 | kalleth^ | any ideas? |
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| 10:59.14 | wols_ | try to install whatever you want with aptitude normally |
| 10:59.43 | kalleth | well |
| 10:59.49 | kalleth | i want the entire standard suite + gnome |
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| 11:00.16 | valdyn | kalleth: there's no 'standard suite' |
| 11:00.38 | mancubus | Does anyone know how compile libnet examples? |
| 11:00.45 | valdyn | kalleth: 'aptitude install xorg gnome' |
| 11:00.54 | DGnome | Hi! I have an Intel C2D box running Xen with 2.6.18-3-xen-amd64 kernel. The question is, why wont it go past 3.2GB ram? Thought 64-bit kernels didn't have that restriction... |
| 11:01.07 | kalleth | k |
| 11:01.10 | valdyn | DGnome: they don't |
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| 11:01.44 | kalleth | hmm |
| 11:01.50 | kalleth | aptitude gives loads of 404 not found errors |
| 11:01.53 | simonrvn | probably highmem stuff that isn't enabled |
| 11:02.07 | valdyn | not on -amd64 |
| 11:02.20 | simonrvn | enabled by default? |
| 11:02.27 | valdyn | doesnt exist |
| 11:02.37 | simonrvn | ah ok. thanks |
| 11:02.50 | kalleth | valdyn: aptitude seems to be showing lots of Err 404 not found on that |
| 11:02.51 | simonrvn | learn something new every day :) |
| 11:02.52 | kalleth | its still going |
| 11:03.01 | kalleth | but it doesn't seem to be downloading the files it misses |
| 11:03.02 | kalleth | is that an issue? |
| 11:03.08 | valdyn | kalleth: yes |
| 11:03.25 | kalleth | ok, how do i change the mirror it uses? |
| 11:03.43 | DGnome | valdyn: I'm just not sure where to begin searching for issues, but Intel C2D:s should be fine with amd64-kernels right? Next up would be the motherboard then? |
| 11:03.56 | themill | _3yE_: you need to tell HAL how to suspend instead of powersaved. (but don't ask me how... I'm sticking with etch until these sorts of things aren't going to make life difficult on a weekly basis) |
| 11:04.06 | valdyn | DGnome: how much ram do you really have? |
| 11:04.56 | valdyn | kalleth: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:05.21 | DGnome | valdyn: 4GB |
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| 11:06.08 | kalleth | valdyn: thanks, trying it |
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| 11:06.49 | kalleth | valdyn: can you give me a couple of 'good' mirror lines? i've only got download.mirror.ac.uk and security.debian.org in mine |
| 11:07.07 | valdyn | DGnome: i dont know enough about Xen, to tell if that could be the fault of the hypervisor or whatever |
| 11:07.15 | themill | kalleth: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 11:07.31 | themill | kalleth: (I'm presuming you're .uk based) |
| 11:07.33 | DGnome | valdyn: ok, thanks anyway :( |
| 11:07.39 | DGnome | valdyn: sorry... :) |
| 11:07.51 | kalleth | yeah, i am |
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| 11:09.02 | themill | kalleth: well that's what I've got in my sources.list and it works fine |
| 11:09.20 | kalleth | trying it now mill |
| 11:10.55 | kalleth | couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.uk.debian.org |
| 11:11.07 | kalleth | is it supposed to be http:// and not ftp:// ? |
| 11:11.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: hey, http://doorbell.ethz.ch/ |
| 11:12.04 | themill | kalleth: that exact line should work. Do you have any other warnings or errors? perhaps pastebin the entire output of aptitude update for me. |
| 11:12.21 | kalleth | er |
| 11:12.39 | kalleth | let me check the file |
| 11:12.55 | TiMiDo | how can i installed WP::UserAgent ... with apt |
| 11:12.57 | TiMiDo | is a perl thing |
| 11:13.01 | Noborusan | hmm |
| 11:13.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's not funny |
| 11:13.37 | abrotman | TiMiDo: do you know the .pm it actually installs ? |
| 11:13.37 | Noborusan | usually named listens on port 53 right ? |
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| 11:13.45 | abrotman | Noborusan: tcp and udp iirc |
| 11:13.54 | Noborusan | so i have more than one |
| 11:14.15 | kalleth | right |
| 11:14.19 | abrotman | kalleth: apt-get update && aptitude update |
| 11:14.22 | Noborusan | one port 53 and 953,is this normal ? |
| 11:14.23 | TiMiDo | abrotman, is not installed how can i installed it with apt? |
| 11:14.26 | kalleth | the exact line is deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 11:14.32 | abrotman | Noborusan: one is for rndc |
| 11:14.34 | kalleth | abrotman: trying it now |
| 11:14.54 | Noborusan | abrotman, i see,how about this one |
| 11:14.55 | abrotman | TiMiDo: it's possible .. apt-cache search UserAgent |
| 11:14.55 | Noborusan | tcp6 0 0 ::1:953 :::* LISTEN 1904/named |
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| 11:15.03 | kalleth | in other news |
| 11:15.04 | kalleth | http://www.kalleth.nildram.co.uk/images/desk.jpg |
| 11:15.06 | Noborusan | i mean, what is that ::1: ? |
| 11:15.11 | kalleth | ^ the linux one is the one above |
| 11:15.15 | Noborusan | its stated as local addr. |
| 11:15.45 | abrotman | Noborusan: that's normal |
| 11:15.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: but it's very useful |
| 11:16.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: and debian powered |
| 11:16.19 | kalleth | i think that fixed it, abrotman |
| 11:16.19 | kalleth | thanks |
| 11:17.07 | themill | abrotman: can you tell me why you suggested apt-get update && aptitude update? One or other should have been enough shouldn't it? |
| 11:17.20 | abrotman | themill: i have no idea .. it just seems to fix it :) |
| 11:17.22 | Noborusan | abrotman, then it is weird,i was trying to install a webhosting panel,how come it installs named |
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| 11:17.33 | abrotman | Noborusan: you installed bind with it or elsewhere |
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| 11:18.03 | themill | kalleth: whenever you change your sources.list you need to aptitude update or that's the error you get. |
| 11:18.16 | abrotman | themill: i assumed he was already doing that |
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| 11:18.25 | kalleth | themill: aah, thanks |
| 11:18.29 | kalleth | abrotman: no, i wasn't :p |
| 11:18.33 | abrotman | oh .. duh :) |
| 11:18.58 | abrotman | i thought you were having problems with regular aptitude |
| 11:18.59 | Noborusan | bind ? |
| 11:19.04 | abrotman | !bind |
| 11:19.04 | dpkg | i guess bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see http://www.isc.org/sw/bind/. "apt-get install bind9-doc", or try #bind |
| 11:19.08 | Noborusan | i know named is DNS stuff |
| 11:19.28 | Noborusan | hmm okay |
| 11:19.29 | abrotman | bind is the package .. named is the daemon |
| 11:19.35 | abrotman | or bind9 is the package |
| 11:19.54 | Noborusan | I see,thanks abrotman |
| 11:20.05 | abrotman | brb |
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| 11:21.10 | kalleth | abrotman; no, i just installed debian and it failed on installing all the packages |
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| 11:22.31 | Noborusan | wb abrotman |
| 11:22.46 | kalleth | abrotman; no, i just installed debian and it failed on installing all the packages |
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| 11:24.04 | Noborusan | abrotman, there ? |
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| 11:26.06 | Begasus | hmm ... xorg lists my screenresolution correctly at 1280x800 but I can't seem to set anything as a resolution but 1024x768 ... |
| 11:26.22 | Jordan_U | Begasus, What GPU? |
| 11:26.35 | Begasus | i950 |
| 11:26.42 | Begasus | on the laptop |
| 11:26.52 | Jordan_U | Begasus, Have you tried 915resolution yet? |
| 11:27.08 | Begasus | 915 resolution? |
| 11:27.30 | Begasus | been trying to find a way to fix it just a short while ago ... |
| 11:28.13 | Begasus | checking google ... |
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| 11:31.06 | aldin | simonrvn: hey, try 'lastlog'... u will remember me hehe |
| 11:31.16 | BjornW | can somebody tell me how I can check the domain of which a server is part of? |
| 11:32.11 | SlayerXP | BjornW: host <ipaddress> or whois <ipaddress> |
| 11:32.27 | SlayerXP | assuming you mean what I think you mean, and not what you actually said. |
| 11:32.29 | abrotman | kalleth: cute |
| 11:32.31 | abrotman | Noborusan: yep |
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| 11:32.45 | aldin | simonrvn: ? |
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| 11:32.53 | abrotman | maybe he's sleeping? |
| 11:32.53 | benoitc | hi all |
| 11:33.25 | petemc | SlayerXP: seems exim-users has finally had enough of perkel |
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| 11:33.40 | SlayerXP | petemc: long overdue. |
| 11:33.41 | abrotman | petemc: ? |
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| 11:33.48 | abrotman | mailing list troll ? |
| 11:33.50 | Noborusan | abrotman, can you check your /tmp by 'ls -dla /tmp ' ? mine is now drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 6 2007-07-20 02:08 /tmp, strange ? |
| 11:33.51 | petemc | yeah |
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| 11:34.04 | abrotman | Noborusan: that's wrong |
| 11:34.05 | benoitc | i would like to tet 2.6.22 modules and see that each time a kernel is updated right now kbuild is uptaed too. Is there any tutorial t create packages for last kernels ? |
| 11:34.07 | petemc | abrotman: google for "genius for hire" |
| 11:34.07 | abrotman | oh wait .. that's right |
| 11:34.12 | SlayerXP | abrotman: that gives a bad name to hard working mailiing list trolls everywhere. |
| 11:34.13 | abrotman | petemc: you'll come up ? |
| 11:34.19 | petemc | not quite |
| 11:34.28 | Noborusan | abrotman, excuse me |
| 11:34.34 | abrotman | "dell genius for hire" |
| 11:34.36 | abrotman | Noborusan: moment |
| 11:34.37 | BjornW | SlayerXP: mhhm host seems to work fine with one, but the other states: Unknown-MAC.domain.ext How can I change this 'Unknown' to something else? |
| 11:34.45 | abrotman | drwxrwxrwt 5 root root 4096 2007-07-19 06:25 /tmp |
| 11:34.47 | abrotman | Noborusan: ^^ |
| 11:35.01 | SlayerXP | BjornW: i have no idea. |
| 11:35.01 | kalleth | abrotman: 'cute' wasn't the word i was thinking of, but it suits |
| 11:35.02 | kalleth | :p |
| 11:35.06 | Noborusan | oh , so it is okay |
| 11:35.10 | abrotman | seems so |
| 11:35.11 | BjornW | SlayerXP: ok thanks |
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| 11:36.17 | Noborusan | abrotman, i mean,i dont have files/folders dyed colours before i installed this tool |
| 11:36.26 | Noborusan | now they are, as normal user |
| 11:36.42 | abrotman | ls --color ? |
| 11:36.43 | Noborusan | all folders and fils are dyed different colours :) |
| 11:37.24 | Noborusan | abrotman, gees :D |
| 11:37.40 | Noborusan | well,i mean without --color as a normal user now,still can see them |
| 11:38.32 | abrotman | petemc: who the hell puts "I started a business after i figured out the world while on an LSD-induced trip" on their freaking resume |
| 11:38.45 | abrotman | Noborusan: it's an alias |
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| 11:39.04 | petemc | abrotman: you wouldnt believe how annoying that guy really is |
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| 11:39.38 | abrotman | petemc: does he actually do anything useful ? |
| 11:39.44 | abrotman | i can't tell from his website :) |
| 11:39.50 | petemc | not to my knowledge |
| 11:40.19 | guillaume-fr | exim4 : how to block frozen mail generated by fake sender return in mailq ??? |
| 11:40.25 | abrotman | hehe .. he can come up with ideas in the area of "brainstorming" |
| 11:40.37 | blinx | I'm searching for a sunbird amd64 binary |
| 11:40.41 | abrotman | guillaume-fr: you sohuld be able to remove it from the queue |
| 11:40.46 | blinx | anyone has an idea where I can get it? |
| 11:40.49 | petemc | guillaume-fr: block? |
| 11:41.15 | petemc | guillaume-fr: if you mean delete, exipick -iz | xargs exim -Mrm will delete frozen mail in the queue (ALL frozen mail) |
| 11:41.22 | abrotman | blinx: it's not in debian .. you'd have to build it yourself (alternately .. there is a plugin called Lightning which might work for you) |
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| 11:41.28 | petemc | guillaume-fr: check the exipick docs to be more specific |
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| 11:42.13 | guillaume-fr | abrotman : Yes manually, but is ther a way to set up an automatic treatment when the return concern an invalid account ? |
| 11:42.13 | blinx | abrotman: the plugin doesn't work after I build it... |
| 11:42.22 | abrotman | blinx: you don't build the plugin |
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| 11:42.39 | abrotman | petemc: there's no way this guy can be a genius .. all his filenames are in CAPS.ZIP |
| 11:42.43 | blinx | abrotman: I build it or do you have a 64bit version? |
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| 11:42.55 | abrotman | blinx: build lightning ? |
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| 11:43.03 | blinx | yes |
| 11:43.13 | abrotman | i didn't realize plugins were architecture specific |
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| 11:43.56 | blinx | abrotman: most of them not but this one is architecture specific, I have no idea why |
| 11:44.28 | blinx | abrotman: I will try the 32bit binary |
| 11:44.28 | Noborusan | abrotman, would you read on a part of page for me please ? about the 'hostname' part |
| 11:44.31 | abrotman | no idea then .. maybe ask on the mozilla irc network |
| 11:44.35 | abrotman | Noborusan: ? |
| 11:44.42 | blinx | abrotman: no one answers there... |
| 11:45.23 | guillaume-fr | petemc : I know how to do that under admin account, what I mean is if it was possible to "auto-reject" these mails when the adresse of sender is incorrect |
| 11:45.31 | abrotman | blinx: just be patient .. they usually answer after a bit |
| 11:45.55 | Noborusan | abrotman, it says " The hostname should not be the same as the primary domain name. e.g. gary.com is not a good hostname, where server.gary.com is. Having the same host/main domain name will cause e-mail and FTP problems. Also, please make sure the hostname resolves once you setup DNS." |
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| 11:46.23 | Noborusan | abrotman, i mean,here'hostname' refers to the one inside of debian or it means abc.abc.com ? |
| 11:46.41 | Noborusan | we know when install debian,it requires a domain name,by default it is debian |
| 11:46.44 | abrotman | Noborusan: where is this from? what are you trying to setup ? |
| 11:47.05 | Noborusan | abrotman, http://www.directadmin.com/installguide.html trying to get that one work on etch |
| 11:47.27 | abrotman | moment |
| 11:47.36 | Noborusan | okay |
| 11:48.53 | cydork | blinx: did you try nspluginwrapper? |
| 11:49.33 | blinx | cydork: no |
| 11:49.37 | tessa-- | directadmin. gah. i'd rather poke myself in the eye with a spork, and then lick up the entrails of a post-plesk centos system off the server room floor. |
| 11:50.27 | abrotman | Noborusan: AFAICT .. it wants you to have a FQDN instead of just a domain |
| 11:50.34 | cydork | blinx: flash and few others work fine with that. |
| 11:50.53 | Noborusan | FQDN ? |
| 11:50.59 | petemc | guillaume-fr: sender verification |
| 11:51.01 | abrotman | !fqdn |
| 11:51.01 | dpkg | well, fqdn is Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org' |
| 11:51.01 | tessa-- | fully-qualified domain name. |
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| 11:51.31 | Noborusan | abrotman, so if my server has a domain abc.com,there it should be foo.abc.com ? |
| 11:51.44 | blinx | cydork: hm |
| 11:51.56 | cydork | blinx: check /msg dpkg nspluginwrapper |
| 11:51.57 | liable | just reading that dicks web page make me want to smash his face in |
| 11:52.01 | blinx | cydork: do you can recommend a good howto? |
| 11:52.03 | blinx | ah ok |
| 11:52.07 | abrotman | Noborusan: yes |
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| 11:52.37 | test | is there a init script that loads iptables rules on startupt |
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| 11:52.39 | Noborusan | abrotman, I see,then, how about that one when debian installer asks me to specify ? it is also named 'hostname' i just applied it as 'Debian' |
| 11:52.45 | test | boot time |
| 11:53.06 | pauvre10m | hello |
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| 11:53.48 | abrotman | Noborusan: okay.. so what? |
| 11:54.00 | abrotman | test: read /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
| 11:54.03 | pauvre10m | i have a problom to use ndiswrapper |
| 11:54.28 | test | abrotman, i ment on debian , |
| 11:54.31 | pauvre10m | i istall the driver , creat the module |
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| 11:54.39 | test | abrotman, if there is an init script to read iptables-save output |
| 11:54.40 | kalleth | now that i've done aptitude install xorg gnome, if i reboot will it present me with the gnome login screen by default? |
| 11:54.42 | Noborusan | abrotman, i mean, when install debian, it asks us for a hostname?/domain ? by default that one is 'Debian', i mean what does this one work for ? |
| 11:54.44 | kalleth | or do i need to tell it to first |
| 11:55.06 | abrotman | Noborusan: it can |
| 11:55.10 | pauvre10m | ans i would open with modprobe and i have an error : |
| 11:55.12 | abrotman | test: go read what i said |
| 11:55.21 | pauvre10m | not modole ndiswrapepr exist |
| 11:55.26 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 11:55.26 | dpkg | hmm... ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 11:55.49 | test | abrotman, which html page |
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| 11:56.33 | abrotman | it's on your system |
| 11:57.15 | test | abrotman, that doc is for ppl who dont know iptables |
| 11:57.30 | abrotman | it also tells you how to setup your init scripts |
| 11:57.40 | test | why , debian dosent have one ready? |
| 11:57.46 | Roey | good morning |
| 11:57.48 | Roey | hey test, abrotman |
| 11:57.49 | abrotman | no .. read the docs .. they tell you why |
| 11:57.50 | blinx | cydork: what are you using with nspluginwrapper else? |
| 11:57.54 | abrotman | hi Roey |
| 11:58.07 | blinx | hey Roey |
| 11:58.10 | Roey | hey hey |
| 11:59.02 | cydork | blinx: i used to use it for flash. |
| 11:59.26 | blinx | but you are using it still now |
| 11:59.27 | blinx | ? |
| 11:59.51 | cydork | blinx: not at the moment. i am using chroot now :) |
| 11:59.58 | blinx | why? |
| 12:00.09 | blinx | I tried it several tmimes |
| 12:00.10 | blinx | -m |
| 12:00.18 | blinx | first it worked |
| 12:00.28 | blinx | but then it didn't worked... |
| 12:01.08 | cydork | blinx: i forgot mention it is bit _buggy_ :P |
| 12:01.19 | blinx | hm |
| 12:01.30 | cydork | test: check last link in /msg dpkg iptables |
| 12:01.34 | blinx | cydork: what version of iceweasel do you have? |
| 12:02.07 | cydork | blinx: 2.0.0.4 |
| 12:02.19 | blinx | ok |
| 12:02.24 | blinx | then we have the same versio |
| 12:02.25 | blinx | n |
| 12:02.36 | blinx | cydork: do you followed a howto? |
| 12:02.57 | cydork | blinx: for chroot? |
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| 12:03.01 | blinx | right |
| 12:03.37 | cydork | blinx: check /msg dpkg chroot 32bit |
| 12:03.57 | blinx | thx |
| 12:04.07 | blinx | dpkg is google in this channel ;-) |
| 12:04.34 | cydork | !botsnack |
| 12:04.34 | dpkg | thanks, cydork |
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| 12:04.49 | KI4IKL | what fsck command can I use toview all my paritions? |
| 12:04.54 | KI4IKL | partitions* |
| 12:05.13 | cydork | KI4IKL: cat /proc/partitions ? |
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| 12:07.44 | blinx | cydork: are you using a whole 32bit environment? |
| 12:08.01 | cydork | blinx: yes. |
| 12:08.09 | blinx | ok |
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| 12:10.13 | blinx | btw: how big is the total size which will be downloaded by the debootstrap? |
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| 12:11.09 | Authority | Is there a dpkg equivalent to "rpm --initdb" (initialize a new database)? |
| 12:11.45 | blinx | Authority: you can delete or move the db |
| 12:11.54 | blinx | anywhere in /var/cache ? |
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| 12:12.03 | Authority | blinx: I want a new one |
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| 12:12.22 | stew | Authority: why do you want a new one? |
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| 12:13.17 | Authority | stew: because I need one separate from the system |
| 12:13.37 | stew | Authority: why? what are you trying to do? |
| 12:13.41 | marcin_ | Hi, does anyone have a problem with: Freeing unused kernel memory? I've just compiled kernel and when I reboot my box I saw tat message and system no response (hangs) - then I could only do ctrl+alt+del. What's going on? |
| 12:13.51 | stew | Authority: what things would go in one verses the other? |
| 12:13.56 | Authority | stew: i'm trying to set up another database :-) |
| 12:14.00 | stew | Authority: why? |
| 12:14.24 | KI4IKL | bleh i hate doing net installs :S |
| 12:14.25 | tralala | Authority, you'll get real help if you describe the real problem |
| 12:14.27 | KI4IKL | But it's all I have |
| 12:14.31 | stew | Authority: i have a feeling that you are going about whatever it is you are trying to acomplish the wrong way |
| 12:14.44 | Authority | tralala: my real problem is that I need another database |
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| 12:15.04 | Authority | stew: I know what i'm doing |
| 12:15.04 | tessa-- | stew: you're likely right about Authority going about it the wrong way, but doing things the wrong way and blowing up your system is VERY educational. |
| 12:15.19 | tessa-- | Authority: If you can't articulate it to us, you don't know what you're doing well enough to be attempting it. |
| 12:15.20 | stew | Authority: ok, and by new database you mean what then? |
| 12:15.24 | blinx | cydork: it is working now |
| 12:15.27 | blinx | nspluginwrapper |
| 12:15.32 | blinx | thx for the tip |
| 12:15.36 | Authority | tessa--: I went thru this yesterday already |
| 12:15.45 | cydork | blinx: no problem ;) |
| 12:16.00 | cydork | Authority: what are you going to do with new database? |
| 12:16.02 | Authority | but apparently this channel is full of 6 year olds who just want to ask why? why? why? |
| 12:16.03 | blinx | and what did you mean with buggy? |
| 12:16.19 | themill | Authority: that's not particularly helpful for those of us who weren't here yesterday. |
| 12:16.25 | cydork | blinx: you will see ;) |
| 12:16.27 | Authority | i'm a redhat admin. I know how to do it with RPM, now I just want to do it with dpkg |
| 12:16.50 | tralala | dpkg and rpm are fundamentally different |
| 12:16.50 | Authority | now if it can't be done, just say so |
| 12:16.50 | dpkg | tralala: okay |
| 12:16.58 | tessa-- | But we either were not here or do not remember, or, in some cases, both. But if you wish to give us incomplete information on which to go on, that's your business. It has, however, been my considered experience that doing so gets you answers that range anywhere from woefully incomplete to outright wrong to dangerously stupid to try in your situation. But, it's your box. |
| 12:16.58 | blinx | cydork: hey |
| 12:17.00 | blinx | cydork: why? |
| 12:17.01 | tralala | dpkg, you shuddup |
| 12:17.10 | cafuego | !and rpm |
| 12:17.21 | Authority | tessa--: what more do you need to know to answer the question I asked? |
| 12:18.13 | Authority | tessa--: you don't need to know why I want it, that's irrelevant |
| 12:18.20 | SlayerXP | Authority: if you don't like help provided on this channel, or don't like the way it's presented, then we'll refund every single penny you paid. |
| 12:18.50 | tessa-- | What purpose would be served by your creating a new package DB? What is wrong with your current one that it needs such replacement? The answer would shed light on your motive, and give us the opportunity to offer you a better way to accomplish the same thing. Obviously, though, you're in too pissy a mood to be interested, so feel free to jack your system so hard you need a reinstall at your pleasure. |
| 12:18.52 | cydork | blinx: it had some with flash when i tried it. |
| 12:19.21 | stew | Authority: in debian the 'database' would be /var/lib/dpkg/status. a new one would be an empty file, so touch /path/to/new/database would create an empty one |
| 12:19.21 | Authority | I need to create a separate installation database because I'm installing packages that aren't directly installed on any one machine. so i don't want the packages in the local install DB |
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| 12:19.24 | stew | Authority: if they aren't directly installed, where are they actually installed? |
| 12:19.29 | kottlett | hi! when I mount a samba share with "mount -t smbfs -o uid=1001,gid=100,username=me //smb/share /mnt/point", the uid/gid options have no effect! always the server side uids/gids are used! any idea? I'm on sarge, smbfs 3.0.14a |
| 12:19.36 | Authority | stew: to a network location |
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| 12:19.48 | themill | Authority: it's more of question of why on earth you would want to. The normal pattern on help irc channels is "User: how do I do this?" "Helper: why would you want to?" "User: cos I want to do xyz" "Helper: well what you really want to do is abc instead". Please understand that we need information about what why you do things to help you. (And thanks for providing it now!) |
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| 12:20.10 | stew | Authority: do you perhaps want to create a completely separate install in a chroot? |
| 12:20.14 | Authority | stew: nope |
| 12:20.14 | stew | Authority: perhaps look at debootstrap |
| 12:20.21 | stew | Authority: then you can't do what you want to do |
| 12:20.51 | stew | Authority: without either writing your own package manager, unpacking the packages by hand and running the maintainer scripts by hand |
| 12:21.03 | KI4IKL | I think my version of debian is old, does debian have an updater like where I can update to the newest version of debian? |
| 12:21.16 | tralala | Authority, what's the benefit of having certain packages installed on a net location? |
| 12:21.19 | tessa-- | KI4IKL: the answer to that question kinda depends on what version of debian you're running. |
| 12:21.37 | KI4IKL | I think I downlaoded this one about august of last year |
| 12:21.39 | Authority | tralala: because they'll be shared by many machines without having to update each machine |
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| 12:22.21 | tessa-- | seems like it would be better to create (or use an existing?) push update system. |
| 12:22.33 | KI4IKL | huh? |
| 12:22.46 | Authority | tessa--: i don't want to have to touch every machine |
| 12:22.49 | tessa-- | Otherwise you risk seriously jacking your dependencies, I'd imagine. |
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| 12:23.05 | tessa-- | Well, the whole point of push updates is that you only have to do so once -- to set the update system up. |
| 12:23.07 | KI4IKL | Itm ay be the latest version...let me get it installed and i'll see. |
| 12:23.13 | stew | KI4IKL: show us the output of " apt-cache policy libc6 " ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 12:23.15 | KI4IKL | ewww Authority redhat??? ftw? |
| 12:23.15 | KI4IKL | :P |
| 12:23.21 | KI4IKL | well...let me install :) |
| 12:23.28 | KI4IKL | I was jut wondering... |
| 12:23.31 | Authority | tessa--: i don't have the space on every machine or the bandwidth |
| 12:23.33 | themill | KI4IKL: can you tell us what's in /etc/debian_version |
| 12:23.35 | tralala | Authority, however updating some of the dependencies on any particular machine might result in those packages not working anymore or being automatically updated and stop working on the other machines, etc. This is generally not how package management is done. Instead you could create your own repo and have every machine auto-upgrade (cron) from it. |
| 12:23.50 | stew | KI4IKL: i would not recommend using an installer from august if that is what you are planning |
| 12:23.53 | Authority | tralala: these are binary packages, they don't have dependencies |
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| 12:24.01 | Authority | i mean they aren't |
| 12:24.01 | KI4IKL | I'm not sure reallyI'll find out... |
| 12:24.12 | stew | Authority: what about maintainer scripts? |
| 12:24.14 | KI4IKL | I'm just installing debian to mess with it, I use ubuntu on this pc, and am installing debian on te other one. |
| 12:24.22 | tralala | Authority, then you probably don't need the package manager to know about them |
| 12:24.46 | stew | Authority: can you tell us some example packages? |
| 12:24.50 | themill | KI4IKL: so you don't have a current install just the install medium? |
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| 12:24.57 | Authority | tralala: package managers do more than just dependencies |
| 12:25.02 | tessa-- | yeah, that suggests you just want to dump your stuff on an nfs mount and stick it in the path. |
| 12:25.19 | tralala | Authority, but in each case having a local repo for these packages is perhaps the best way to go. |
| 12:25.20 | KI4IKL | All I know is I'm installing with the net installer... |
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| 12:25.40 | KI4IKL | Sorry fo rmy lack of knowledge...i'm 12 and just getting used to linux...I've gotten pretty good at ubuntu...I wanted to try somin a bit different |
| 12:25.43 | Authority | tralala: you're not listening. I don't have the disk space to put this on every machine |
| 12:25.46 | stew | KI4IKL: you should download a new version instead of using one from august if that is what you are planning |
| 12:25.58 | Authority | tralala: i do have large NAS storage |
| 12:26.05 | stew | Authority: do the packages have maintainer scripts? if not you could just unpack the package |
| 12:26.15 | themill | KI4IKL: That's OK... Can you start again for me. What are you currently running and what are you trying to do? |
| 12:26.35 | Authority | stew: you mean pre and post scripts? probably not. but they are versioned |
| 12:26.38 | KI4IKL | I was just seeing if I had an old version of debian, could I upgrade....with like synaptic of somin. |
| 12:26.49 | stew | Authority: what do you mean "but they are versioned" |
| 12:26.49 | KI4IKL | One sec, booting up the debian machine...i'll see about that command one of you told me |
| 12:26.58 | tessa-- | KI4IKL: net installs download the latest of whatever distribution you're using. If you're getting stable, you'll get Sarge. If you're getting testing, you'll get Etch. |
| 12:27.09 | KI4IKL | Sarge then, i'm using stable |
| 12:27.14 | minusatwork | Does anyone know if there are any musicmaking programs for linux? A Reason/Fruity Loops thingy, that supports a midikeyboard (Korg K49). |
| 12:27.16 | Authority | stew: as in newer releases come out, i want to be able to compare what I have to what the latest is and update it |
| 12:27.18 | liable | tessa--: etch is now stable |
| 12:27.33 | tessa-- | liable: duh. sorry. i'm on too much Adderall. |
| 12:27.39 | KI4IKL | minusatwork, are you talking about something like finale...where you can compose the music and like print it or something? |
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| 12:28.08 | tralala | Authority, and they come out of a deb repo? |
| 12:28.22 | Authority | tralala: they come out of my repo |
| 12:28.37 | snxjoe | hi, i am doing a fresh install of debian 4 and having some problems. whenever the installer reaches the partition formating it hangs on 33% |
| 12:28.47 | snxjoe | can anyone suggest anything to get it working? |
| 12:28.54 | Authority | tralala: but they are packaged as .deb |
| 12:28.55 | MangosDebian | morning |
| 12:28.58 | minusatwork | KI4IKL, Nono.. I want to make musik in the computer.. Do you know what Reason or fruity loops is? |
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| 12:29.20 | KI4IKL | no, I don't sorry |
| 12:29.29 | tralala | Authority, so say you manage to have a package manager handling them on a net location. What would be the benefits? |
| 12:29.37 | MangosDebian | minusatwork: hmmmm, fuirty loops |
| 12:29.42 | MangosDebian | fruity* |
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| 12:30.42 | stew | Authority: you can look at the --root and --admindir options to dpkg, i don't know if they are going to work for ou or not |
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| 12:30.47 | Authority | tralala: the benefits are I install once for hundreds for clients, i get easy upgrades and removals |
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| 12:31.09 | themill | KI4IKL: It sounds like you already have Debian installed, so you will probably have "sarge" installed. You are right that sarge is the old version of debian stable. In that case, you can upgrade to etch by following the release notes, or, if you don't have anything on the machine you really want, doing a fresh install. |
| 12:31.09 | minusatwork | KI4IKL, found a program.. LMMS - Linux Multimedia Studio |
| 12:31.20 | themill | !tell KI4IKL about sarge->etch |
| 12:31.21 | Authority | stew: that's exactly what i'm looking at, but I can't just point --admindir at an empty directory. it needs to be set up first |
| 12:31.25 | themill | !tell KI4IKL about netinstall |
| 12:31.27 | KI4IKL | I thought etch was experimental |
| 12:31.36 | KI4IKL | well, unstable I mean |
| 12:31.41 | themill | KI4IKL: etch is the current stable |
| 12:31.44 | MangosDebian | Authority: once for hundreds of clients? or a few clients dosens of times? :) |
| 12:31.48 | KI4IKL | ahh, okay |
| 12:31.49 | tessa-- | KI4IKL: I was incorrect, Etch is now Stable. Lenny is testing, and Sid is unstable. |
| 12:31.53 | KI4IKL | well, the net installer is doing it's thing. |
| 12:32.15 | themill | KI4IKL: are you running a fresh install now? |
| 12:32.18 | tessa-- | KI4IKL: Best bet, if you're unsure of the version of installer you have, is to download the current netinstall image. |
| 12:32.31 | KI4IKL | The net installer is downloading packages. |
| 12:32.33 | tessa-- | They're small and Ubuntu can burn them unless it's seriously jacked. |
| 12:32.44 | KI4IKL | tessa--, I said, I have a net isntall, so I knwo i'll get the latest. |
| 12:32.59 | Begasus | libc6 is to old it seems to install the 915resolution it seems :/ |
| 12:33.02 | KI4IKL | UBuntu isn't jacked :( |
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| 12:33.18 | Authority | stew: I don't know how to setup that directory so that's why I asked |
| 12:33.45 | stew | Authority: touch /path/to/admindir/status |
| 12:34.00 | themill | KI4IKL: if you downloaded the netinstall iso image and burnt it to CD in August last year then it's pretty old and you'd be better off using a newer image. But if things are working out for you then keep going with what you're doing. |
| 12:34.06 | Authority | stew: thank you, i'll give that a shot |
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| 12:34.26 | streuner__ | apt, test |
| 12:34.26 | apt | Test Passed! |
| 12:34.27 | MangosDebian | stew: how was the night shift? :) |
| 12:34.35 | test | somebody called? |
| 12:34.52 | MangosDebian | test: lol, with a nick like that, are you serious? :) |
| 12:34.59 | tessa-- | i wonder if there's an antidote to adderall besides bouncing off the walls for eight hours |
| 12:35.00 | stew | MangosDebian: don't as me, i finally got more than 4 hours of sleep in a night |
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| 12:36.12 | Authority | stew: just FYI, you also need /path/to/admindir/available and /path/to/admindir/updates/ apparently |
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| 12:36.20 | abrotman | tessa--: beer |
| 12:36.26 | test | MangosDebian, i am very popular |
| 12:36.33 | tessa-- | abrotman: recovering alcoholic. :-/ |
| 12:36.41 | abrotman | tessa--: beer isn't alcohol! |
| 12:36.53 | Authority | stew: at least to get dpkg to stop complaining. I don't know if it works yet, but its a step forward I guess. thanks |
| 12:36.58 | MangosDebian | test: so is file :) |
| 12:37.01 | liable | american beer anyway |
| 12:37.17 | abrotman | liable: you wouldn't know .. |
| 12:37.27 | shogunx | !beer abrotman |
| 12:37.52 | liable | abrotman: yeah, .au doesnt get imports of anything.. |
| 12:37.54 | tessa-- | rofl. well, i never liked beer. i was always a fan of sweet drinks ... sangria and coke for me. but it was the side-effects that bothered me. walking naked down the median of interstate 30 mid-day in the texas sun was ... wow. |
| 12:38.20 | abrotman | tessa--: did you forget your sunscreen? |
| 12:38.45 | tessa-- | it wasn't the sunburn, it was the second degree burns on the soles of my feet that really made it hard the next day. |
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| 12:39.33 | shogunx | tessa--, better than waking up in your ex's bed and not remembering how you got there |
| 12:39.51 | abrotman | at least it was your ex |
| 12:39.56 | tessa-- | shogunx: i woke up chained to the bed. that was seriously not fun. |
| 12:40.18 | shogunx | i can imagine. |
| 12:40.40 | tessa-- | assholes had the cuffs right over the IV entry. and wouldn't move either the cuffs or the IV. |
| 12:41.30 | shogunx | i would have sued. |
| 12:42.39 | shogunx | my first thought was some strange bondage partner had wandered off in the morning, then i realized you had gotten arrested. |
| 12:43.18 | tessa-- | aye. i swing the other way for bondage. :-) |
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| 12:43.43 | shogunx | heh heh |
| 12:44.27 | kalleth | what's the best way to install an ATI display driver on debian? |
| 12:44.41 | kalleth | i tried installing the proprietary binary available from the ati site but it gives an error |
| 12:44.42 | tessa-- | kalleth: get a card with open drivers and install that instead. |
| 12:44.49 | wols_ | !fglrx |
| 12:44.49 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 12:44.52 | kalleth | tessa--: ... |
| 12:44.57 | kalleth | wols_: gives an error, 1mo i'll paste |
| 12:45.05 | shogunx | matrox are especially good under those criteria |
| 12:45.17 | kalleth | [Message] Kernel Module : Precompiled kernel module version mismatched. [Error] Kernel Module : No kernel module build environment - please consult readme. |
| 12:45.17 | tessa-- | i still have a g450 i use |
| 12:45.27 | shogunx | me also. |
| 12:45.34 | wols_ | kalleth: what kernel version exactly? |
| 12:45.36 | tessa-- | doesn't play wow very well tho :-) |
| 12:45.47 | kalleth | er |
| 12:45.50 | kalleth | to check that do i do uname -a? |
| 12:45.54 | wols_ | yes |
| 12:45.56 | tessa-- | that's one way |
| 12:45.57 | kalleth | onionrings:/usr/share/ati# uname -a Linux onionrings 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:46.10 | wols_ | kalleth: debian comes with a precompiled fglrx for this |
| 12:46.19 | kalleth | hmm |
| 12:46.33 | kalleth | then it's probably already using it |
| 12:46.34 | wols_ | kalleth: and we do not support drivers directly downlaoded from ati.com. only ati does |
| 12:46.34 | shogunx | tessa--, warcrack, eh? you are running that on a linux box? |
| 12:46.42 | wols_ | kalleth: lsmod |
| 12:47.22 | wols_ | !info fglrx-kerna1/msg dpkg fglrx one-liner |
| 12:47.31 | shogunx | tessa--, neverwinter nights ran great on mine;) |
| 12:47.44 | wols_ | kalleth: /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner |
| 12:48.38 | tessa-- | shogunx: no, actually, i run it on xp. i mostly use xp for desktop stuff for a variety of reasons we've all heard before. |
| 12:49.15 | shogunx | tessa--, i eradicated windows from my network in '99 |
| 12:49.18 | kalleth | wols, done it |
| 12:49.20 | kalleth | and doing it |
| 12:49.21 | kalleth | thanks |
| 12:49.33 | tessa-- | shogunx: he who pays the bills demands windows. this is an application of the golden rule. |
| 12:49.41 | tessa-- | you know the golden rule, yes? |
| 12:49.48 | shogunx | he who has the gold rules? |
| 12:49.52 | tessa-- | perzakly. |
| 12:50.24 | shogunx | i prefer to compile myself a goldmine from source:) |
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| 12:51.43 | stew | shogunx: gcc --enable-alchemy ? |
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| 12:52.21 | tessa-- | you released that under the gpl, yes? |
| 12:52.38 | chot | hi, ive got a hd which i can't mount, though if i dump some of it (using dd) it seems to contain data. is there any way i can recover this data? |
| 12:52.47 | shogunx | stew, nah, just set the hardware up so make -J1024 works. |
| 12:53.20 | chot | oh, and i only get a hdd device, no hdd1 etc.. |
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| 12:53.43 | shogunx | tessa--, every line of code i've ever written thats been worth releasing has been gpl. |
| 12:53.54 | abrotman | shogunx: so two lines? |
| 12:54.10 | shogunx | abrotman, 3, actually:) |
| 12:54.32 | abrotman | stew: how 'bout them sox? |
| 12:54.43 | stew | abrotman: rachel is complainint |
| 12:54.51 | shogunx | abrotman, i made the solarnet as open as humanly possible. |
| 12:54.52 | abrotman | stew: i've noticed |
| 12:54.58 | stew | abrotman: i don't get to watch them anymore |
| 12:54.59 | abrotman | stew: justified though ... |
| 12:55.09 | abrotman | stew: are you bad luck ? |
| 12:56.23 | stew | abrotman: no, just that she's only watching it on her laptop these days |
| 12:56.36 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 12:57.35 | abrotman | stew: maybe if you got bluetooth working .. you could watch it on the tv! |
| 12:58.28 | shogunx | you could clone her X session on another display. |
| 12:59.14 | stew | i'm really not going to do very much work in order to watch a baseball game in a 10 pixel by 10 pixel window |
| 12:59.26 | abrotman | it's bigger than that! |
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| 13:00.01 | ribasushi | hi guys |
| 13:00.25 | ribasushi | is there a place that neatly lists all functions of lsb_base? digging in the script itself is not a pleasant experience |
| 13:00.49 | abrotman | grep ? |
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| 13:04.49 | SoulChild | How do i update my gnome menue ? |
| 13:05.12 | spheard | I just want to clarify, mrtg collects data sent over the snmp protocol which is sent by a snmp server (snmpd) in debian. Each device I want to monitor must have snmpd or equivilent running. |
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| 13:09.37 | abrotman | update-menus |
| 13:09.46 | kalleth | ~~~~argh |
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| 13:09.52 | kalleth | i can't get in using a regular gnome session now |
| 13:10.03 | kalleth | it quits whenever i try and login after running the fglx |
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| 13:11.52 | spheard | !mrtg |
| 13:11.52 | dpkg | well, mrtg is old, use rrdtool instead. Check out http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/mrtg.html and RRDTOOL is at http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/ |
| 13:11.59 | spheard | broken links |
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| 13:13.58 | kalleth | help :< |
| 13:14.12 | kalleth | my session keeps terminating whenever i try and login through gnome and ~/.xsession-errors doesn't show anything |
| 13:14.38 | kalleth | i can get in using the failsafe gnome login but i can't figure out why it keeps dying |
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| 13:16.52 | abrotman | there's a .gnome-errors or something like that |
| 13:16.59 | abrotman | also .xsession-errors |
| 13:17.22 | shogunx | and /var/log/Xorg:0:log |
| 13:17.36 | abrotman | soundsl ike X is already started |
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| 13:18.20 | shogunx | hmm. no space left on /home will do that. |
| 13:18.32 | shogunx | a faulty /etc/X11/Xsession will also. |
| 13:18.34 | Jckf | What do I have to put in my crontab list to have something run once per hour? |
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| 13:19.42 | cydork | Jckf: man 5 crontab |
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| 13:19.53 | Jckf | Bleh |
| 13:24.12 | cahoot | Jckf, cron.hourly doesn't fit the bill? |
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| 13:24.32 | Jckf | cahoot: I used @hourly now =) |
| 13:25.07 | guillaume-fr | petemc: Sender verification isn't included into debconf settings ? I got a conf.d folder for exim4, where will I find it ? ( 30_exim4-config_check_rcpt:158: message = Sender verification failed |
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| 13:25.31 | guillaume-fr | petemc: Sender verification isn't included into debconf settings ? I got a conf.d folder for exim4, where will I find it ? (30_exim4-config_check_rcpt:158: message = Sender verification failed) |
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| 13:27.15 | sonmez | Hi everyone.. Why totem gives an error like "Creating link /home/sonmez/.kde/socket-sonmez. can't create mcop directory" in a GNOME desktop? And, I didn't change anything about totem for a long while.. actualy never changed... |
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| 13:27.58 | Squart | moning all |
| 13:28.04 | Squart | morning |
| 13:28.29 | Squart | how would i check and see what rights all the folders in my \home dir has? |
| 13:29.03 | guillaume-fr | Squart: ls -l |
| 13:29.04 | spheard | ls -l |
| 13:29.17 | spheard | your quick on the draw |
| 13:29.23 | Squart | allrighty |
| 13:29.28 | Squart | let me check |
| 13:29.59 | guillaume-fr | spheard: always when it's easy :) |
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| 13:30.29 | Squart | weird |
| 13:30.43 | Squart | i have a folder that i chmod 777 to it |
| 13:30.55 | Squart | but it won't let me create a folder or let me delete files |
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| 13:30.57 | Squart | any ideas? |
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| 13:31.21 | Squart | in smb i mean |
| 13:31.28 | vlt | Hello. I want to burn an .iso image to a cd writer connected to /dev/hdc. What is the right "dev=" value for cdrecord? |
| 13:31.50 | stew | vlt: dev=/dev/hdc |
| 13:32.05 | guillaume-fr | Squart: check your smb.conf file |
| 13:32.24 | xand | Squart: the share is set to read-only? |
| 13:32.34 | Squart | and writable |
| 13:32.35 | kottlett | Squart: or mounted read-only? |
| 13:32.47 | Squart | read only = yes |
| 13:32.50 | Squart | writable = yes |
| 13:33.04 | xand | Squart: well there you go. |
| 13:33.09 | xand | read only = yes |
| 13:33.19 | vlt | stew: That works? Cool, I thought I needed some weird scsi translations ... Thank you. |
| 13:33.37 | Squart | i have to remove the line read only then |
| 13:33.40 | Squart | or just add a no? |
| 13:33.50 | Squart | sorry guys |
| 13:33.53 | xand | set it to no |
| 13:33.58 | Squart | it;s already set to "no" |
| 13:34.06 | stew | vlt: are you running a 2.6 kernel? |
| 13:34.07 | xand | you said it was yes |
| 13:34.21 | Squart | yes but i miss read an other line |
| 13:34.29 | Squart | from an other folder |
| 13:34.31 | stew | vlt: in fact, if you have /dev/cdrom symlinked to /dev/hdc, you can leave off dev entirely |
| 13:34.46 | Squart | path = /home/public |
| 13:34.46 | Squart | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.46 | Squart | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.46 | Squart | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.46 | Squart | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.46 | Squart | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:35.01 | Squart | my bad |
| 13:35.02 | Squart | sorry guys |
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| 13:35.08 | Squart | did not read the rules |
| 13:35.15 | Squart | :( |
| 13:35.52 | arthur_kalm | Hi everyone, we're using Debian sid on this server: http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12028_ca/12028_ca.htm and I was wondering which kernel to install? I'm assuming that we should use linux-image-2.6-686-smp but it says it's for PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4. When it says P4 I assume they mean the P4 generation CPUs and not P4 as in the brand right? So the Xeon should be compatible? |
| 13:35.55 | guillaume-fr | got lots of return from spam sent with our domain and fake adress on my server today, they stay as frozen in exim4 mailq, where can I set up sender verification in a split exim4 conf ? |
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| 13:36.11 | spheard | is anyone using mrtg? http://rafb.net/p/dQBfNk43.html |
| 13:36.16 | spheard | Its giving my gyp |
| 13:36.21 | spheard | me gyp |
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| 13:36.30 | guillaume-fr | arthur_kalm: what's the cpu ? |
| 13:36.52 | chot | :q |
| 13:36.56 | arthur_kalm | guillaume-fr: Dual-core Intel Xeon Processor 2.8 GHz/800MHz-2x2MB L2 |
| 13:37.04 | abrotman | arthur_kalm: -686 will work |
| 13:37.26 | arthur_kalm | abrotman: so it _is_ saying the P4 generation right? Not P4 brand name |
| 13:37.30 | stew | arthur_kalm: linux-image-2.6-686 is the correct kernel |
| 13:37.37 | stew | arthur_kalm: p4 meaning "pentium 4" |
| 13:37.41 | abrotman | !686 |
| 13:37.41 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel, or if you want to take advantage of hyperthreading support, you should install a -smp kernel. |
| 13:38.11 | arthur_kalm | stew: OK perfect thanks. |
| 13:38.19 | stew | !686 =~ s#, or if you want to take advantage of hyperthreading support, you should install a -smp kernel.## |
| 13:38.20 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 13:38.28 | arthur_kalm | abrotman: ah OK, so the -smp kernel is OK |
| 13:38.40 | vlt | stew: Yes, 2.6 kernel. It seems to work. Thanks again. |
| 13:38.56 | stew | arthur_kalm: they are all -smp these days, linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-2.6-686-smp will install the same kernel |
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| 13:39.37 | arthur_kalm | stew: oh hehe. On our development server (Ubuntu server), there is only the generic kernel and smp is obsolete, so I guess that makes sense |
| 13:39.47 | arthur_kalm | thanks a lot everyone, you've been a great help :D |
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| 13:39.57 | abrotman | jeez .. dev server on ubuntu .. production on sid .. what could go wrong! |
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| 13:41.05 | arthur_kalm | abrotman: well the only reason we use sid on the production was because there were some problems with the server hardware and we needed some sid packages |
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| 13:41.20 | ramezhanna | i need to dump all the data in the communication between snmp agent and client |
| 13:41.23 | arthur_kalm | abortman: development "server" is just a box that I was too lazy to install debian on ;) |
| 13:41.29 | abrotman | arthur_kalm: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 13:41.32 | ramezhanna | i used tcpdump but i don't see the actual data |
| 13:41.43 | ramezhanna | what am i missing? |
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| 13:42.23 | stew | ramezhanna: perhaps you need to specify -i eth0 or so? |
| 13:42.28 | ramezhanna | i did |
| 13:42.33 | arthur_kalm | abrotman: I didn't actually set that server up though :P so I'm not sure how it was set up. We haven't update it in a while so it's not using any bleeding edge packages anyways hehe. Thanks for the help though. |
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| 13:42.49 | ramezhanna | i can see the traffic but just udp headers but no actual snmp data |
| 13:43.01 | abrotman | arthur_kalm: i'm not sure if that's better or worse |
| 13:43.05 | stew | ramezhanna: -A? |
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| 13:44.30 | raqamy | i had successfully installed sendmail and i was able to send/recieve emails as root but when try as non privileged user i got permission denied erro, any idea? |
| 13:44.34 | arthur_kalm | abrotman: hmm perhaps. We should go to 4.0... how well does upgrading the system work? |
| 13:44.43 | valdyn | !any idea |
| 13:44.43 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of rutabagas, a little vegemite, and a handful of starving weasels. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 13:44.44 | abrotman | you can't go from sid to etch |
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| 13:44.58 | abrotman | raqamy: look in the mail.log or mail.err |
| 13:45.03 | arthur_kalm | abrotman: well the sid we're using is at least a year old... |
| 13:45.10 | abrotman | arthur_kalm: doesn't really matter |
| 13:45.16 | stew | arthur_kalm: what version of libc6 is installed? |
| 13:45.18 | arthur_kalm | abrotman: oh :( |
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| 13:45.30 | abrotman | arthur_kalm: you might get lucky .. but chances are .. it won't quite match etch |
| 13:45.38 | arthur_kalm | stew: 2.3.6-7 |
| 13:45.54 | arthur_kalm | abrotman: oh, so I assume we would need a complete reinstall... :( |
| 13:46.08 | abrotman | !info libc6 etch |
| 13:46.10 | stew | arthur_kalm: yes, that is quite old. I recommend upgrading to etch (the current stable) before anything else |
| 13:46.11 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (etch), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
| 13:46.28 | abrotman | arthur_kalm: you can try it .. you just can't guarantee 100% etch-ness |
| 13:46.44 | abrotman | i guess you could verify each package version |
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| 13:47.15 | arthur_kalm | abrotman and stew: how well does upgrading work? from personal experience on desktop systems it doesn't work at all and I do a fresh install every time |
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| 13:47.27 | stew | arthur_kalm: it works quite well |
| 13:47.49 | arthur_kalm | stew: oh, well that's good to hear |
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| 13:48.01 | abrotman | arthur_kalm: i've had machines go through several debian releases |
| 13:48.08 | raqamy | abrotman, i've got permission denied |
| 13:48.10 | arthur_kalm | abrotman: how could I verify each package version? |
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| 13:48.20 | stew | arthur_kalm: replace "sid" or "unstable" or "testing" with "etch" in /etc/apt/sources.list ; aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade |
| 13:48.20 | logd | hi, after installing ipmasq there's something to set apart telling client machines what's my lan ip for connection sharing to work ? |
| 13:48.47 | abrotman | arthur_kalm: you'd have to get the version numbers .. and then compare them to etch's version numbers |
| 13:48.56 | stew | arthur_kalm: and in the future, if you need something that isn't in stable, /msg dpkg backports |
| 13:49.06 | arthur_kalm | stew: yep, but should I compare every version number like abrotman is suggesting? |
| 13:49.12 | stew | i really don't think comparing versions is necessary |
| 13:49.15 | abrotman | you don't *have* to |
| 13:49.29 | abrotman | he might even need a dist-upgrade to get to etch |
| 13:50.11 | arthur_kalm | stew and abrotman: oh OK cool. Well we have nightly backups so I guess it should be safe |
| 13:50.29 | arthur_kalm | stew: I'll keep that in mind with the backports... I was unfortunately not the person who set that up :P |
| 13:50.55 | arthur_kalm | stew: P.S. we're using testing not unstable :P |
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| 13:52.22 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 13:52.35 | arthur_kalm | thanks all :) |
| 13:53.29 | dererk | Hi there :) |
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| 13:54.25 | ampex2 | Can anyone think of a straight forward way to delete any file in a directory NOT matching a list of files? |
| 13:54.36 | gui__ | I have a RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet but my switch (1Gb) indicate that this one only use 10Mb ! is there a way to verify that into the system ? |
| 13:54.51 | raqamy | abrotman, the problem was in user smmsp permissions, it was 750 instead of 770, thanks for your help :) |
| 13:55.07 | gypsymauro | I've a problem with nss_ldap and udev, when I boot it takes some seconds 'cause udev is checking something and ldap server is down, so I've a lot of messages like nss_ldap : failed to bind to LDAP server, thhen after 6-7 secs ldap server comes up and then it boots..how to resolve this? I read about this bug in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=375077 but there is not a good solution |
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| 13:55.48 | stew | arthur_kalm: you aren't running testin, you are running something between oldstable and stable |
| 13:56.08 | Juice10 | hi, I'm trying to download debian for my x86 64bit Intel Core 2 Duo machine, what release should I download? |
| 13:56.31 | sn0 | Juice10 you can use x86 (32) or x86_64 (64bit) |
| 13:56.42 | Juice10 | these are the choices [alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] [source] [multi-arch] |
| 13:57.00 | Juice10 | sn0, I don't see that in the list |
| 13:57.04 | arthur_kalm | stew: ah. btw, I just wanted to know. After you do upgrades, do you do a lot of post installation configuration or does it work out of the box? |
| 13:57.06 | Juice10 | http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 13:57.10 | sn0 | yea i386 (32bit) or amd64(also supports intel 64) |
| 13:57.33 | sn0 | if you use flash or java Juice10 then its a little more work in 64bit os than 32bit |
| 13:57.49 | themill | Juice10: same for wine, I think |
| 13:57.54 | abrotman | raqamy: okay |
| 13:58.04 | sn0 | Juice10 it depends what the system is going to be used for i guess |
| 13:58.08 | tralala | Juice10, what is this pc going to do? |
| 13:58.12 | abrotman | ampex2: grep -v ? |
| 13:58.14 | stew | arthur_kalm: it should just work |
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| 13:58.22 | Juice10 | as a webserver (ruby, php, apache etc.) |
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| 13:58.33 | abrotman | you know what's bad .. when your system says /home is mounted .. but it's not .. |
| 13:58.34 | tralala | high load? |
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| 13:58.54 | Juice10 | tralala, at the moment just test |
| 13:58.57 | sn0 | 64bit makes a good option for serving (if your applications take use of it) or you have loads of ram |
| 13:58.57 | mosno | abrotman: nasty |
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| 13:59.08 | abrotman | mosno: it's more nasty when it decides to fill up / :) |
| 13:59.44 | logd | hi, after installing ipmasq there's something to set apart telling client machines what's my lan ip for connection sharing to work ? |
| 13:59.45 | tralala | Juice10, amd64 is better for heavy computation, i386 is (mostly) better for general home use |
| 14:00.08 | sn0 | logd find out using "ifconfig" |
| 14:00.16 | arthur_kalm | abrotman: was that for me? |
| 14:00.19 | grendal_prime | is david-work = david fetter? |
| 14:00.21 | abrotman | arthur_kalm: ? |
| 14:00.27 | abrotman | arthur_kalm: i don't tihnk so |
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| 14:00.37 | arthur_kalm | abrotman: hehe the reinstallation :P I guess not |
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| 14:00.52 | mosno | abrotman: which program is saying it's mounted? 'mount'? |
| 14:01.00 | abrotman | and df .. and a few others |
| 14:01.00 | Juice10 | tralala, sn0, thanks guys! |
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| 14:01.14 | mosno | abrotman: Etch? |
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| 14:01.20 | abrotman | arthur_kalm: ah .. no .. this is a box i was working on .. it had an FS error .. went RO .. totally knackered the box |
| 14:01.23 | sn0 | yw |
| 14:01.29 | abrotman | mosno: yes |
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| 14:01.53 | pi-meson | is there some canonical or appropriate way to have one package modify the config file of another when making a deb? I'm trying to get a program to run along with gdm, and would like to package it as a deb. |
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| 14:04.10 | stew | pi-meson: debian policy forbids such a thing |
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| 14:04.21 | abrotman | it does? |
| 14:04.46 | abrotman | that doesn't make a ton of sense |
| 14:05.03 | pi-meson | stew: it forbids programs running along with gdm, or programs modding each others config files? |
| 14:05.14 | stew | pi-meson, abrotman: yes |
| 14:05.15 | abrotman | stew: do you have a reference? |
| 14:05.21 | abrotman | pi-meson: i think he means the latter |
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| 14:06.02 | arthur_kalm | abrotman: ouch |
| 14:06.24 | abrotman | oh .. this is so freaking screwy .. df -h shows /dev/sda3 mounted .. umount /dev/sda3 says it's not mounted |
| 14:06.48 | arthur_kalm | Btw, I wanted to ask, does anyone know of a good debian mirror that's _fast_? |
| 14:06.58 | abrotman | !apt-spy |
| 14:06.58 | dpkg | [apt-spy] a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 14:07.00 | stew | pi-meson: if package B wants to modify packages A's config files, pacakge A needs to provide a program to change them |
| 14:07.00 | arthur_kalm | I'musing ft.us.debian.org and it's very slow |
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| 14:07.11 | abrotman | arthur_kalm: apt-spy takes a while to run |
| 14:07.36 | abrotman | and then if i `mount /dev/sda3` .. i get two /dev/sda3 entries |
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| 14:07.46 | abrotman | hrm .. |
| 14:07.51 | arthur_kalm | abrotman: ahh OK, how long is a while though? |
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| 14:08.10 | pi-meson | stew: okay, I'm not sure gdm provides such a program :( at least, I haven't been able to find one. This makes me very sad. |
| 14:08.26 | stew | pi-meson: which config file are you talking about? |
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| 14:08.36 | abrotman | arthur_kalm: i've never run it .. i just choose a geographically close mirror |
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| 14:08.51 | badock | hi all |
| 14:08.53 | abrotman | well .. i've run it .. just not let it finish :) |
| 14:09.07 | pi-meson | /etc/gdm/Init/Default |
| 14:09.27 | badock | i found an imac G3, do you know if there is a version of debian suitable for this computer ? |
| 14:09.30 | arthur_kalm | abrotman: ohh OK. I can't seem to find the keys for the various servers though, live for ftp.us.debian.org |
| 14:09.47 | abrotman | arthur_kalm: install debian-archive-keyring |
| 14:09.51 | stew | pi-meson: that is listed in /var/dpkg/dpkg/gdm.conffile so it is really off-limits |
| 14:09.53 | abrotman | badock: ppc |
| 14:10.07 | badock | abrotman, any version ? |
| 14:10.18 | gui__ | ok next question, I use a 1Gb ethernet card "RTL-8169" but it use this mode by default : eth1: 10 Mbit, half duplex, link ok . Is there a way to change that ? perhaps it's due to the driver, how to verify ? |
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| 14:10.42 | arthur_kalm | abrotman: great, works like a charm :D |
| 14:10.44 | abrotman | badock: etch would be fine |
| 14:10.51 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 14:10.51 | dpkg | ppc is, like, is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 14:10.58 | stew | pi-meson: it being listed in that file means not even gdm's maintainer scripts are allowed to edit it |
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| 14:11.49 | abrotman | gui__: mii-tool maybe |
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| 14:12.09 | pi-meson | stew: ok, do you have any recommendations for how I might get around this? |
| 14:12.11 | gui__ | mii-tools will help me to change the status |
| 14:12.12 | gui__ | ? |
| 14:12.59 | liable | yep |
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| 14:13.55 | stew | pi-meson: who is going to be using this package you are creating? |
| 14:14.20 | pi-meson | stew: my coworkers and maybe a few people outside of my lab |
| 14:15.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you seen this? http://ronja.twibright.com/exciter/ |
| 14:15.17 | pi-meson | stew: but I'd still like to Do The Right Thing. Really, all I want to do is have a package that I can tell people to install along with synergy that will run synergy at gdm startup.It's not supposed to be rocket science. |
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| 14:16.24 | stew | pi-meson: perhaps you should just be dropping a file into /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ then? |
| 14:16.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: i've seen similar devices |
| 14:16.24 | MangosDebian | pi-meson: nah, packaging more like brain surgery, fsck's with your head and causes headaches :) |
| 14:16.35 | stew | pi-meson: or does it really need to run pre-login? |
| 14:16.47 | pi-meson | MangosDebian: ha, well, this is actually for people who are going to be using this while doing brain surgery ! |
| 14:17.04 | pi-meson | stew: it needs to run pre-login so the host can connect to it and type in l/p |
| 14:17.28 | stew | pi-meson: why not create a customized gdm package then? |
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| 14:18.05 | pi-meson | stew: that seems like package-management-overkill for adding a single line to a config file |
| 14:18.10 | MangosDebian | damn, whats the name of a package that just has dep's? |
| 14:18.25 | pi-meson | stew: but not totally unreasonable, I guess |
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| 14:18.38 | s88 | hi all |
| 14:18.39 | pi-meson | (I guess I just worry about having to then track upstream) |
| 14:18.40 | abrotman | MangosDebian: virtual package or task ? |
| 14:18.41 | MangosDebian | i mean one you make yourself that just dep's other pacakages |
| 14:18.48 | MangosDebian | abrotman: i think v package what i meant |
| 14:18.55 | abrotman | or dummy package |
| 14:18.57 | MangosDebian | like equivs |
| 14:19.07 | MangosDebian | a dummy package perhaps |
| 14:19.10 | abrotman | no .. equivs tells the system you've installed the software by some other means |
| 14:19.24 | abrotman | to satisfy a dep, etc |
| 14:19.24 | MangosDebian | i meant in a virtual sort of way sorry |
| 14:19.41 | stew | pi-meson: the problem is that since the file you are trying to modify is managed by dpkg (it is marked for automatic handling by the package manager), things are going to be strange when gdm is upgraded |
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| 14:19.56 | MangosDebian | ie: not really containing anything other than meta data in an equivs sort of way |
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| 14:20.24 | pi-meson | stew: yea, I understand. Perhaps the best long-term solution is to convince the gdm crew to have a .d directory where scripts are run from |
| 14:20.52 | pi-meson | (for the pre-session stuff; they already support that for session setup and teardown) |
| 14:21.11 | stew | pi-meson: wait, can't you just drop another file into Init instead of having to modify theirs? |
| 14:21.25 | MangosDebian | pi-meson: anyways, all I was gonna suggest is make a virtual package to pull in all the packages you need, then put a bash script on a web site and get them to pull it down and run it to setup all your symlinks for rc.d's |
| 14:21.41 | roxy_ | I am trying to create a script in /etc/init.d/ for Xvbf. I am using skeleton as an exemple. I passed the -b option to start-stop-daemon hoping to have it in background, but when I /etc/init.d/Xvfb it stays in foreground. |
| 14:21.56 | MangosDebian | or put the script in your virtual package, but then its a package not virtual :) |
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| 14:22.42 | pi-meson | stew: other scripts in Init appear to not be run |
| 14:23.10 | mosty | i have a linux box that is authenticating against active directory (ugh, don't ask). i can login to the box, but i can't ssh from there because openssh seems to require an entry for my user in /etc/passwd - how can i get around this? |
| 14:23.35 | s88 | Did anyone install intel vtune on Debian before? |
| 14:23.45 | xand | !anyone |
| 14:23.45 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 14:23.45 | MangosDebian | mosty: use pam for ssh auth? |
| 14:23.46 | stew | pi-meson: what file did you try putting in there? was it executable? what it named something that is run-parts(1) compatible? |
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| 14:24.28 | mosty | MangosDebian, i believe that's how the admin set it up- pam is using active directory to authenticate me |
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| 14:24.49 | MangosDebian | mosty: i mean you would still need an account in whatever you used for ssh with shell info though, but could be setup to not require a /passwd entry |
| 14:24.55 | pi-meson | stew; i copied the Default (so it has identical permissions) and just named it "Test"; |
| 14:25.02 | xENO_2 | Hello... Err, has anyone had a problem with sudo not asking for a password ever? Even after purge/reinstall? |
| 14:25.29 | MangosDebian | mosty: if ssh is using pam to auth against ad, then the shell and info should be coming from ad, perhaps your problem lies in ad not ssh? |
| 14:25.58 | mosty | MangosDebian, but why does the ssh client require me to have an entry in /etc/passwd ? |
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| 14:26.25 | MangosDebian | mosty: the client or the daemon? |
| 14:26.35 | MangosDebian | client shouldnt care |
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| 14:26.39 | mosty | MangosDebian, the client |
| 14:26.51 | MangosDebian | mosty: are you specifying the user to auth as? |
| 14:26.58 | qbit | #gnu-kbsd |
| 14:27.00 | qbit | woops |
| 14:27.01 | mosty | MangosDebian, when i try to run the client, it says "You don't exist, go away!" |
| 14:27.01 | qbit | :P |
| 14:27.25 | mosty | MangosDebian, ssh user@host prints that error message, then it exits |
| 14:27.31 | MangosDebian | mosty: if you are, the other end sshd should look up that user in your AD and then use that info to set your $HOME and $SHELL etc |
| 14:27.55 | MangosDebian | mosty: perhaps sshd isnt using pam->ad anymore? |
| 14:28.28 | mosty | MangosDebian, i'm already logged into the box. i'm trying to ssh FROM there- it's the ssh client on the box that isn't working |
| 14:28.48 | xENO_2 | Anyone? |
| 14:29.10 | MangosDebian | mosty: ssh to where though? the box your sshing to would be the problem |
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| 14:29.46 | possie | is it easy todo a dist-upgrade from sarge to etch? |
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| 14:29.54 | mosty | MangosDebian, i ssh into box1 sucessfully. now i want to ssh from box1 to box2 - this is where the ssh client on box1 says "You don't exist, go away!" before dying |
| 14:29.56 | Ind[y] | I have disabled System Beep from GNOME, but it still beeps in console. How do I disable it from there, as well? |
| 14:29.57 | sn0 | possie see the upgrade notes |
| 14:30.17 | possie | sn0, where can i find them? |
| 14:30.21 | sn0 | possie http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 14:30.42 | possie | sn0 thanks |
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| 14:30.58 | MangosDebian | mosty: and does box2 use pam/ad? |
| 14:31.20 | mosty | MangosDebian, that's irrelevant. i can't even run the ssh client on box1 |
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| 14:31.38 | mosty | MangosDebian, the ssh client never even makes a connection to box2 |
| 14:32.02 | MangosDebian | mosty: are you sure? not packets leave? |
| 14:32.15 | MangosDebian | mosty: oh I think i see what you mean :) |
| 14:32.15 | xENO_2 | Let me rephrase my previous question: I am having a problem, in which sudo does not, under any easily testable circumstances, ask a user for any password, or display the lecture the first time it is used, under fully updated Debian Etch. I have tried purging and re-installing the sudo package. I have tried purging the sudo package, deleting any file on the system with a filename even contatining sudo, and neither of thse fix it. Does |
| 14:32.17 | liable | mosty: thats strnge behaviour |
| 14:32.30 | mosty | MangosDebian, yes. |
| 14:32.31 | liable | mosty: can you paste the output using v |
| 14:32.47 | MangosDebian | mosty: whats echo $HOME say? |
| 14:33.06 | stew | pi-meson: well i'd consider finding out why your script isnt' being run in Init, it sounds like possibly its a defect of gdm which should be fixed |
| 14:33.13 | mosty | liable, -v adds no further output |
| 14:33.14 | MangosDebian | mosty: as well as perhaps $USER and any other important ones |
| 14:33.20 | mosty | MangosDebian, $HOME and $USER are set correctly |
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| 14:33.46 | logd | <sn0> what u mean ? |
| 14:33.55 | MangosDebian | mosty: what about $SHELL? |
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| 14:34.03 | themill | mosty: does the output of id give a uid that is in /etc/passwd? |
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| 14:34.11 | Noborusan | night guys |
| 14:34.13 | sn0 | logd running ifconfig at the terminal will tell you the local ip address |
| 14:34.24 | MangosDebian | themill: its a virtual account, doesnt exist in passwd |
| 14:34.26 | mosty | MangosDebian, yes $SHELL is set correctly too |
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| 14:34.47 | mosty | themill, id prints out my userid and group id's etc |
| 14:34.48 | liable | the client shouldnt be checking that anyway |
| 14:35.00 | logd | <sn0> i know this i only need to know is there's something to set up ie. configuring ipmasq or whatever |
| 14:35.01 | spheard | can anyone tell me how I can monitor whats going on over snmp? is there a util that enables me to test? I have snmpd server running. |
| 14:35.05 | MangosDebian | mosty: hmm, god, not sure what else it could possibly want beyond those. never knew it was hardcoded. perhaps it wants you gecos info? |
| 14:35.10 | logd | i know about ip and how to tell client how to use mine |
| 14:35.37 | pi-meson | stew: one last question; is /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom a file that a .deb can automatically edit/change? |
| 14:35.43 | MangosDebian | mosty: i assume $UID isn't set then? |
| 14:35.45 | mosty | for some reason, the openssh client wants to look up my entry in /etc/passwd which obviously does not exist here |
| 14:35.46 | helo | is it possible to change the naming of core dumps so they include the date and time generated? |
| 14:35.46 | sn0 | logd have you checked the documentation? |
| 14:36.00 | mosty | MangosDebian, $UID is set correctly too |
| 14:36.14 | themill | mosty: is the ad/ldap/whatever server still running and working? |
| 14:36.31 | stew | pi-meson: is that a file installed by a deb? |
| 14:36.39 | MangosDebian | mosty: perhaps its complaining cause its trying to lookup your UID in the passwd file then and failing a check |
| 14:36.44 | mosty | themill, yes because i use that to login to this box. if it wasn't working i couldn't login |
| 14:37.05 | pi-meson | stew: i believe so, although I'm not sure how to verify that |
| 14:37.07 | mosty | MangosDebian, that's exactly what it's doing. i want to know why it needs to, and how to prevent it from doing that (if possible) |
| 14:37.38 | themill | mosty: but is it *still* running? |
| 14:37.56 | MangosDebian | mosty: lookin in the man page atm, but so far nothing obvious except that GSSAPI credential forwarding, but I assume thats something kerberos related |
| 14:38.01 | mosty | themill, yes because i can logout and login again fine |
| 14:38.43 | themill | mosty: ok. worth checking as that would give you that problem too |
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| 14:39.41 | themill | mosty: helpful? --> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/04/msg03720.html |
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| 14:40.38 | some_dude | I changed my hostname in /etc/hostname and now it's giving me an error that it can't lookup my hostname |
| 14:41.00 | stew | some_dude: edit /etc/hosts to reflect the change |
| 14:41.08 | stew | pi-meson: you can grep for that filename in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 14:41.09 | logd | <sn0>found nothing about share |
| 14:41.29 | some_dude | do I point my hostname to 127.0.0.1 ? |
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| 14:42.12 | pi-meson | stew: yea, alas, it's in there, in gdm.conffiles |
| 14:42.42 | sn0 | logd can you ask a specific question please? |
| 14:42.53 | MangosDebian | mosty: well, at least you know your box is a tad more secure than normal in that it prevents logins from bouncing back out :) |
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| 14:43.20 | some_dude | better yet, can linux update my dns server to say I'm <new_hostname> ? |
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| 14:43.22 | mosty | themill, possibly, i'll dig further myself. it seems this is an uncommon problem |
| 14:43.25 | cyzie | hello, i have remove nvidia package by doign apt-get remvoe, however when i apt-get again, it seem like it used the one cache in the local hdd, hwo do i request it to download a fresh copy from the repo? |
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| 14:43.59 | cahoot | apt-get clean? |
| 14:44.16 | cyzie | cahoot, tried that, still it cache there |
| 14:44.16 | xENO_2 | I am having a problem, in which sudo does not, under any easily testable circumstances, ask a user for any password, or display the lecture the first time it is used, under fully updated Debian Etch. I have tried purging and re-installing the sudo package. I have tried purging the sudo package, deleting any file on the system with a filename even contatining sudo, and neither of thse fix it. Does anyone know how this might be fixed? |
| 14:44.51 | xENO_2 | cyzie, do "find / -name {package_name} -exec rm -f '{}' \;" |
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| 14:44.57 | ezeki3l | http://lantis.iqaeda.info/msgs/rebeca.jpg <- nice, beautiful girl |
| 14:45.02 | stew | pi-meson: then it is automatically handled |
| 14:45.02 | xENO_2 | replace {package_name} with the pacakge name. |
| 14:45.07 | xENO_2 | It'll kill any cached files. |
| 14:45.16 | xENO_2 | Additionally, if you're behind a caching proxy... |
| 14:45.18 | themill | mosty: yeah... ssh client seems to ask if you exist first before it tries to connect elsewhere. And for some reason the answer is no. There might be some twiddling in the pam stack that helps that too |
| 14:45.18 | xENO_2 | That may be a problem. |
| 14:45.42 | cyzie | xENO_2, tried that, it break because aptt thinking that the file is stilll there... that is not a good option |
| 14:45.49 | xENO_2 | O_o |
| 14:46.18 | xENO_2 | So, you purged the package, and ran apt-get clean, and it still won't go away? |
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| 14:46.36 | yoshio | Ind[y]: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/110 - removing console beep |
| 14:46.37 | xENO_2 | Anyway... regarding sudo, and it's persistant lack of asking me for a password... |
| 14:46.38 | cyzie | no |
| 14:46.41 | tessa-- | you know, ezeki3l, I'm pretty tired of dickless bastards like you trying to wave your non-existant penises and ruin my enjoyment of something I've waited for for a long, long time. Why not go wave it somewhere else and leave me to discover the end in peace? |
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| 14:46.46 | Ind[y] | yoshio: thanks :) |
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| 14:47.01 | xENO_2 | cyzie, maybe apt is broken? |
| 14:47.06 | ezeki3l | http://lantis.iqaeda.info/msgs/rebeca.jpg <-- my output log on a binary telemetry frame editor |
| 14:47.52 | themill | xENO_2: you're not running sudo as root are you? |
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| 14:47.57 | cyzie | xENO_2, i dont know. but i just want to get my nvidia card run 3d properly |
| 14:47.59 | xENO_2 | No, themill. |
| 14:48.07 | themill | xENO_2: worth checking :) |
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| 14:48.10 | xENO_2 | I'm running it under a normal user account over SSH. |
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| 14:48.24 | xENO_2 | Not even in the root group. |
| 14:48.36 | MangosDebian | mosty: curious, when you ls -l a file you own, does it show up as a name or number? |
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| 14:48.49 | xENO_2 | name. |
| 14:49.02 | themill | xENO_2: what's in /etc/sudoers |
| 14:49.22 | xENO_2 | Defaults env_reset |
| 14:49.22 | xENO_2 | root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 14:49.22 | xENO_2 | %sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 14:49.25 | mosty | MangosDebian, it shows the userid, since ls doesn't know what the username, i suppose |
| 14:49.26 | xENO_2 | are all the non-commented lines. |
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| 14:49.56 | MangosDebian | mosty: wondering if they have a nsswitch pam module. googlin shows lots of hits for pam nsswitch |
| 14:50.25 | themill | are you in the sudo group? |
| 14:50.55 | MangosDebian | mosty: unless AD is considered more of an ldap then you could go that route. either way, seems like you need a nsswitch entry to find that info. not sure what options are available though |
| 14:51.06 | xENO_2 | Yes, themill. |
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| 14:51.36 | mosty | MangosDebian, i'll hassle the AD guy. thanks |
| 14:51.39 | MangosDebian | mosty: AD support ldap to supply the same info? |
| 14:51.59 | MangosDebian | mosty: np, gl with it. but if you could get an ldap up with the info you probably have less hassles |
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| 14:53.10 | mosty | i would much rather have windows authenticate from LDAP than linux authenticate from AD, but it was not my decision |
| 14:53.24 | themill | xENO_2: anything in /var/run/sudo ? |
| 14:53.43 | xENO_2 | No. In fact, there is no /var/run/sudo |
| 14:54.13 | MangosDebian | mosty: well, considering ldap and ad are both x500 i can't see it being a problem for ad to offer ldap compatible view of the same info |
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| 14:54.52 | mosty | MangosDebian, my understanding of AD is that it's a quirky implementation of LDAP |
| 14:55.15 | themill | xENO_2: is sudo actually working or is it silently failing? e.g. if you sudo bash and then id what do you get? |
| 14:55.26 | MangosDebian | mosty: nah, AD, NDS and LDAP are sub's of the x.500 standard |
| 14:55.38 | xENO_2 | I get a root shell if I do sudo -i |
| 14:56.08 | MangosDebian | thus AD shoulnt have any problems emulating at least partial ldap |
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| 14:56.14 | mosty | MangosDebian, i knew LDAP was a simplification of x.500 |
| 14:56.21 | subx | i have connected a USB printer to a linux box. is there a way of sending a document to that printer over a network? |
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| 14:56.37 | themill | xENO_2: try a sudo -k to invalidate your timestamp |
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| 14:56.48 | xENO_2 | NO effect. |
| 14:57.20 | mosty | subx, samba can share printers |
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| 14:57.49 | _Sam-- | is there a way to apt / any derivative to check your packages, and fix / reinstall broken ones? one of our web guys deleted a bunch of stuff from /usr/include, and my back ups, backed up the bad /usr/include |
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| 14:57.59 | subx | mosty: i remember ages ago i installed cups and it had a web interface but i cannot remember if u can use that to send documents to the printer |
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| 14:58.46 | themill | xENO_2: does a /var/run/sudo appear if you sudo -v ? |
| 14:59.10 | cahoot | subx, that's what cups is for |
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| 14:59.35 | liable | _Sam--: theres only headers in there, so you will find out when you go to compile something |
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| 14:59.54 | _Sam-- | liable: thats how we found....someone went to compile something... |
| 15:00.04 | _Sam-- | now, we cant compile anything. |
| 15:00.10 | xENO_2 | As root, or otherwise, themill? |
| 15:00.13 | _Sam-- | and im not sure how to fix the problem |
| 15:00.23 | xENO_2 | Because it doesn't either way. |
| 15:00.44 | liable | _Sam--: reinstalling build-essential would be a good start |
| 15:00.58 | themill | xENO_2: what's your output from id and groups ? |
| 15:01.16 | \amethyst | _Sam--: debsums -ca |
| 15:01.32 | \amethyst | _Sam--: Then you can apt-get reinstall the packages that have missing files |
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| 15:01.44 | xENO_2 | uid=1000(will) gid=1000(####) groups=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),60(games),100(users),1000(####) |
| 15:01.44 | _Sam-- | THANKS. |
| 15:01.52 | xENO_2 | Err, the ### was supposed to go under the UID thing too. |
| 15:01.56 | xENO_2 | will dialout cdrom floppy sudo audio video plugdev games users |
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| 15:02.00 | xENO_2 | is groups |
| 15:02.43 | MangosDebian | mosty: some googling seems to suggest its possibly and probably pretty easy to get ldap working with AD so you could use ldap in your nsswitch. Hope it works for you as I dont do AD :) |
| 15:02.43 | themill | xENO_2: and is the date on your box sensible? have you recently adjusted it? |
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| 15:02.57 | xENO_2 | Thu Jul 19 11:02:50 EDT 2007 |
| 15:02.59 | mosty | MangosDebian, i will suggest that |
| 15:03.00 | xENO_2 | Looks right to me. |
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| 15:03.38 | themill | xENO_2: sudo -V ? |
| 15:03.42 | xENO_2 | As root? |
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| 15:03.47 | boonle | hi, do i need any log daemons when i boot? |
| 15:03.53 | nacer | hi |
| 15:03.56 | themill | xENO_2: it's just looking at the version |
| 15:03.58 | nacer | there is some way to have some date information about a .deb installed ? |
| 15:04.02 | xENO_2 | Sudo version 1.6.8p12 |
| 15:04.07 | nacer | or some logs about install |
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| 15:04.37 | keith4 | nacer: /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 15:04.58 | nacer | keith4, dont existe |
| 15:05.03 | keith4 | interesting |
| 15:05.22 | themill | xENO_2: sudo -K as your normal user (should remove timestamp entirely) |
| 15:05.25 | kencausey | On Unstable I'm having Nvidia problems today. I'm using legacy-96xx and although it claims to have 9639 when I load the kernel module it claims to be 9631 and thus conflicts with the GLX version (which is 9639) |
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| 15:05.36 | xENO_2 | themill: no change. |
| 15:06.11 | keith4 | isn't there a package called installation-report or something like that? |
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| 15:06.35 | liable | install logs are usually in /root |
| 15:07.02 | themill | xENO_2: what commands does sudo -l tell you that you can run (that's l for Lima) |
| 15:07.22 | keith4 | nacer: if you don't have /var/log/dpkg.log... I don't know what to tell you |
| 15:07.23 | xENO_2 | User will may run the following commands on this host: |
| 15:07.23 | xENO_2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.43 | keith4 | nacer: what does `locate dpkg.log` return? |
| 15:08.05 | themill | xENO_2: well at least that means that sudo *thinks* it should be asking you for a password :) |
| 15:08.23 | liable | nacer: you have sarge? |
| 15:08.25 | xENO_2 | And yet, for some reason, it isn't. |
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| 15:10.07 | nacer | liable, yup |
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| 15:10.57 | liable | nacer: then you wont have a dpkg log. you will only have logs if you use aptitude, but there should be an installation report in /root iirc, or somewhere in /var/log |
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| 15:11.09 | _Sam-- | liable : if debsums reports something like this: debsums: no md5sums for ncurses-base i want to apt-get remove ncurses-base and apt-get install it? |
| 15:11.24 | nacer | liable, i use apt-get |
| 15:11.27 | liable | _Sam--: install --reinstall |
| 15:11.39 | _Sam-- | thank you. |
| 15:11.52 | nacer | thereis a web site where i can found the last package released ? |
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| 15:12.10 | liable | nacer: for what? |
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| 15:12.22 | _Sam-- | beautiful -- thanks again. |
| 15:12.44 | nacer | liable, i want to know the last update i have made |
| 15:13.00 | sanmarcos | I have a user whose password expired, how can I set the old password back and Make it not expire again? chage reports Password expires: Jul 17, 2007 |
| 15:13.02 | some_dude | hey. I'm on sarge and I don't have a rc.local, is there a file I can use to start my vncserver automagiclly ? |
| 15:13.06 | liable | nacer: you cant |
| 15:13.36 | liable | some_dude: make a script, or add it to something else |
| 15:13.37 | kencausey | turns out my problem was a manually installed 9631, nevermind |
| 15:13.50 | nacer | oki liable |
| 15:13.55 | themill | xENO_2: sorry... I'm out of ideas then.... |
| 15:13.56 | some_dude | I've got a script, I just don't know where to insert it |
| 15:14.06 | liable | some_dude: better yet, upgrade to etch which has it, and you should be using anyway |
| 15:14.13 | cydork | some_dude: /msg dpkg bootmisc.sh or take a look at /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 15:14.23 | xENO_2 | I see :/ |
| 15:14.39 | themill | xENO_2: unless you have something odd in /etc/pam/sudo ....? |
| 15:15.05 | liable | nacer: if you have sarge, its quite likely you havent upgraded much at all lately, except a few security things |
| 15:15.28 | themill | xENO_2: that would be /etc/pam.d/sudo |
| 15:15.38 | nacer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.48 | nacer | i want to make a investigation |
| 15:15.56 | liable | unlikely for sarge |
| 15:16.00 | nacer | but first i need to know what last modification on my system |
| 15:16.15 | nacer | i dont think its a debian problem |
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| 15:18.51 | \amethyst | sanmarcos: chage -E -1 user will make it not expire |
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| 15:19.18 | sanmarcos | \amethyst, right, but if I want to keep the same user, -M 99999 was also needed (it was 180) |
| 15:19.56 | \amethyst | sanmarcos: ah, it had expired in that way |
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| 15:24.51 | tsb | I've made a new kernel (using make-kpkg), and it is working nicely. However I've made a few additions and wanted to make a new kernel - make-kpkg --revision=MYKE.2 kernel_image, but it complains because ./debian/changelog already contains MYKE.1. Before, I tried just using the same revision, but that caused a few problems since it is the currently running kernel. Do I really have to clean everything up and compile from scratch, or is there another way |
| 15:24.52 | tsb | to do it incrementally? |
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| 15:25.07 | cga | hi, how do i get sound-juicer to rip mp3 please????? i've installeditand all the dependencies (liblame and gstreamer-10-lame included) but no mp3 in poreferences :(((( |
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| 15:25.20 | liable | tsb: clean :( |
| 15:25.24 | ruben_ | Hi, I am using debian on a 'dhcp' windows servers, but the admin tells me that my computer does not update the A and PTR record because I don't use windows, any idea how to update these records using dhclient? or what do I need? |
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| 15:26.05 | tsb | liable: ouch :( the think took over an hour to compile |
| 15:26.05 | x_link | Hi |
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| 15:26.17 | keith4 | ruben_: you want dhclient to register with DNS on the windows server? |
| 15:26.20 | x_link | I don't get any sound when I tryt o play a song. |
| 15:26.23 | x_link | mp3. |
| 15:26.30 | x_link | I just ran "sudo alsaconf" choosed my card etc. |
| 15:26.35 | liable | tsb: such is life |
| 15:26.39 | x_link | But when I choose a mp3-file I get an error. |
| 15:26.51 | ruben_ | keith4: yes :) that's my problem |
| 15:26.56 | x_link | It says: |
| 15:27.04 | tsb | liable: not if you do not use the debian tools, but okay :) |
| 15:27.26 | x_link | Please Check: Your soundcard is configured properly. You have the correct output plugin selected. No other program is blocking the soundcard. |
| 15:27.39 | x_link | I get that error message, but I don't have any other program blocking my soundcard. |
| 15:27.39 | cga | x_link, install the codecs |
| 15:27.45 | x_link | cga: Which codecs? |
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| 15:28.12 | cga | x_link, which desktop you use? |
| 15:28.28 | x_link | cga: I use Debian Testing, KDE 3.5.7 |
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| 15:28.35 | ruben_ | keith4: you know how to do it? |
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| 15:28.48 | liable | tsb: kpkg has a modules switch |
| 15:28.53 | keith4 | ruben_: nope ;-) |
| 15:29.10 | cga | x_link, i don't know which libs you need for kde sorry but try to use synaptic and search for mp3 codecs and libs |
| 15:29.22 | x_link | ok |
| 15:29.33 | tsb | liable: yeah the thing that no doubt takes time are the modules - I used the stock debian as a startingpoint and it contains a LOT of modules - this is okay though because I am going to use it on 40 servers |
| 15:30.47 | x_link | cga: I never needed to install anything like this before. |
| 15:30.49 | liable | tsb: so use the fsatest of those 40 to compile the next one ;) |
| 15:30.53 | cga | anyone on my problem??? please |
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| 15:31.34 | cga | x_link, probably true but i don't kow kde and i know that you need codecs (at least) to use mp3 |
| 15:31.40 | liable | if you want to encode mp3 i guess you need lame |
| 15:31.50 | liable | from multimedia repo |
| 15:31.57 | _Sam-- | liable : can you tell me how files missing in /usr/include will affect my system? it will mostly be when i want to compile things that need to include the headers from other things? (sorry to sound stupid -- i am) |
| 15:32.03 | cga | liable, liblame already installed |
| 15:32.15 | cga | so gstreamer-10-lame or somehitng likely |
| 15:32.20 | liable | cga: thats for decoding? |
| 15:32.32 | cga | might be |
| 15:32.36 | x_link | cga: Okej. |
| 15:32.42 | cga | gonna try installing "lame" |
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| 15:33.02 | test | is it just me or aptitude manual has a bunch of weird characters \fBinstall\fR |
| 15:33.07 | test | “\fB=<version>\fR” |
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| 15:33.44 | x_link | cga: I just re-installed Debian, could something happened during the installation? |
| 15:33.50 | liable | _Sam--: it wont really effect you much. when you compile something, you'll get an error that blah.h is missing, then you just need to find what package has that file and install/reinstall it |
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| 15:34.21 | _Sam-- | thanks again liable, you are a huge a help. thank you. |
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| 15:34.51 | liable | _Sam--: apt-file is a good tool for working out what file belongs to what package (though its very slow when you update it from the net) |
| 15:35.11 | liable | but you dont really need to update it often |
| 15:35.19 | _Sam-- | i didnt realize how much of my stuff ISNT from .debs, but from source. |
| 15:35.24 | _Sam-- | not until i after i ran debsums |
| 15:36.44 | chops | _Sam--: That was how I learned about Linux. I had a Mandrake installation that I kept upgrading stuff by hand from, until I finally had a huge, nightmarish, frankenstein mess where nothing was in package management and things were broken all the time. |
| 15:36.49 | cga | liable, nothing happened with lame. do you know which parameters to apply to a new "config" in sound-juicer for mp3? |
| 15:37.02 | chops | _Sam--: It taught me a great deal about how things work, because I'd have to figure them out to fix them. |
| 15:37.03 | cga | x_link, just try to install codecs |
| 15:37.07 | chops | _Sam--: Then I installed Debian :-) |
| 15:37.09 | liable | cga: never used soundjuicer |
| 15:37.13 | cga | arf |
| 15:38.28 | _Sam-- | packages are nice, but alot of times we require things compiled with options and such that arent part of the pakcages -- that is the main (only?) reason why i wouldnt use a package most time. |
| 15:38.43 | chops | _Sam--: I find that it's easier to install a modified package in that case |
| 15:39.20 | _Sam-- | chops: that fine, im not complaining about my programs that ive compiled, nor about packages. |
| 15:39.35 | chops | _Sam--: See also freebsd -- it's a lot easier there to maintain local changes across upgraded distribution packages than it is in a system like Debian which assumes that you want precompiled binaries |
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| 15:39.38 | _Sam-- | i was only stating a fact, that on this box, i was surprised how much was from source, and that debsums revealed alot to me. |
| 15:40.29 | _Sam-- | i wasnt asking for your opinion of how i should admister my systems or what distro, or method of installing my software i should utilize, though your opinion is noted. |
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| 15:41.34 | _Sam-- | and as a result of a screw up , i got to learn more, which is a good thing. |
| 15:43.09 | some_dude | I want to throw bash into an endless loop running a command cow, while(1 -lt 10) do cow; done ? |
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| 15:44.29 | chops | some_dude: while true; do cow; done |
| 15:44.53 | g3brown | I'm running sarge on a remote system and something is wrong with the desktop. I would like to just uninstall it. What is the easiest way to do this? |
| 15:45.18 | stew | g3brown: which desktop? |
| 15:46.19 | g3brown | stew: what ever default was on sarge |
| 15:46.34 | some_dude | chops : yeap It went into my endless loop just fine. Thanks |
| 15:46.49 | stew | g3brown: /msg dpkg remove gnome ; /msg dpkg remove x |
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| 15:48.45 | Joris_ | I'm looking for the name of the tool that builds packages out of (preconfigured) source-dirs |
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| 15:49.13 | Joris_ | it's like dh-make, but for already unpacked and configured sources |
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| 15:50.37 | SoulChild | I uninstalled a package but it is still in the debina menue in gnome,... what to do ? |
| 15:50.38 | g3brown | stew: removing gnome worked, but dpkg --remove x gives me an ignoring request to remove x which isn't installed. Perhaps removing gnome removed x? |
| 15:51.06 | SoulChild | g3brown: try remove xorg or x-server-sorg |
| 15:51.08 | stew | dpkg: tell g3brown about remove gnome |
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| 15:51.14 | stew | dpkg: tell g3brown about remove x |
| 15:51.15 | SoulChild | *: x-server-xorg |
| 15:51.28 | stew | SoulChild: he doesn't have xorg installed |
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| 15:51.49 | stew | g3brown: the bot named dpkg should have given you the instructions i was intending for you to read |
| 15:52.10 | ampex2 | Is there an easy way to search through an html file for a certain string and delete anything before that string? |
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| 15:55.46 | chops | ampex2: Anything before that string on the line where the string is, or anything before that string in the entire file? |
| 15:55.49 | rindolf | Hi all. |
| 15:56.06 | rindolf | Where can I find the logging of bind on Debian? |
| 15:56.15 | rindolf | I mean the logging output. |
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| 15:56.54 | x_link | Hm |
| 15:57.21 | x_link | I'm looking for Debian Testing on www.debian.org but I don't find it anywhere. |
| 15:57.28 | x_link | I want the netinstall version. |
| 15:57.33 | x_link | Does anybody here have the link? |
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| 15:57.49 | x_link | I just fin Debian Etch |
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| 15:58.01 | nemrak | hey |
| 15:58.09 | nemrak | what is a good power manager tool |
| 15:58.17 | nemrak | like for battery monitoring on a laptop |
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| 15:58.26 | x_link | Anybody? |
| 15:58.28 | sanmarcos | how can I get the size of a file in bytes? |
| 15:58.35 | nemrak | something that helps increase battery life |
| 15:58.41 | nemrak | sandman, du -shb file |
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| 15:59.07 | nemrak | sanmarcos, du -shb file |
| 15:59.46 | eSa| | du -sb |
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| 16:00.02 | \amethyst | x_link: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 16:00.40 | l3on | hi al |
| 16:00.48 | jelly | nemrak: laptop-mode-utils, perhaps |
| 16:00.54 | \amethyst | x_link: which links to, for example, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ (i386 testing netinst CDs) |
| 16:00.58 | g3brown | stew: thanks. |
| 16:01.08 | l3on | I've upgrade to new version libasound2... and now sound is bad |
| 16:01.16 | l3on | what can I do ? |
| 16:01.20 | nemrak | thanks jelly i will try it out :D |
| 16:01.41 | TravellingSalesM | hi, i am using lenny, i want to play mpeg files but the screen is blue i only have the voice, i have install gstreamer0.10 things and w32codecs but it's not solved, any clue? |
| 16:02.00 | jelly | nemrak: sorry, laptop-mode-tools. This is a set of configuration parameters to help improve battery life, but doesn't actually provide a monitoring app |
| 16:02.04 | eSa| | l3on: downgrade |
| 16:02.24 | nemrak | jelly, so it just works behind the scene? |
| 16:02.28 | x_link | \amethyst: Thanks man! |
| 16:02.32 | x_link | bbl |
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| 16:02.37 | \amethyst | TravellingSalesM: do you have the package gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg ? |
| 16:02.47 | jelly | nemrak: right |
| 16:02.54 | nemrak | jelly, well that is good enough :] |
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| 16:03.03 | l3on | eSa|: yes... but I would know how I can fix it... |
| 16:03.05 | nemrak | jelly, i can use the gnome-power-manager to just see how long i have left |
| 16:03.10 | jelly | nemrak: indeed |
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| 16:03.36 | TravellingSalesM | amethyst: yes i have, is there any other package i need to install apart from gstreamer stuff? i have installed my debian from the minimal cd |
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| 16:03.37 | jelly | !info powertop lenny |
| 16:03.42 | dpkg | powertop: (linux tool to find out what is using power on a laptop), section x11, is extra. Version: 1.5-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 220 kB |
| 16:03.49 | eSa| | maybe issues can help determing the cause |
| 16:03.54 | nemrak | jelly, i searched for other laptop stuff and i found laptop-net and some others, u think they would be useful? |
| 16:04.04 | eSa| | *case |
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| 16:04.31 | \amethyst | TravellingSalesM: I'm not sure then :( |
| 16:04.47 | jelly | nemrak: I wouldn't bother with network config utils if this works good enough for you, but there may be interesting brand-specific utilities |
| 16:05.14 | jovans | how to enable nvidia driver under lenny? |
| 16:05.26 | jovans | with kernel 2.6.21 |
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| 16:05.46 | nemrak | jelly, sounds good |
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| 16:06.07 | TravellingSalesM | SOS can someone help me plz? i have installed gstreamer stuff but still can not watch mpeg files, the screen is blue and i only can hear the voice. |
| 16:06.18 | delliott | If I want to install Debian based on selecting the "Desktop" option in the debian-installer, which CDs should I download? |
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| 16:06.43 | jelly | nemrak: there's also "acpi-support" package, you may already have it installed |
| 16:07.13 | nemrak | jelly, yeah i already have that one |
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| 16:08.52 | MrWup | hi |
| 16:09.08 | MrWup | im using proxsmtp to filter all outgoing email |
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| 16:09.19 | MrWup | the proxsmtp pipes the emails through to a script.sh |
| 16:09.30 | roland_ | where can i buy debian t-shirt that can ship worldwide (im in east europe) |
| 16:09.37 | MrWup | and then the script.sh can edit the email and pipe it back |
| 16:09.46 | MrWup | what im confused about is... |
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| 16:09.51 | MrWup | how i can access the entire std in |
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| 16:10.04 | MrWup | and then parse through and edit the email content and then pass it back to the std out |
| 16:10.08 | MrWup | any pointers anyone? |
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| 16:10.57 | _Sam-- | MrWup : procmail |
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| 16:11.04 | _Sam-- | pipe the message to a script |
| 16:11.17 | _Sam-- | then have the script resend the correct mail |
| 16:11.26 | MrWup | then use promail from within the script? |
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| 16:11.58 | _Sam-- | no, procmail will deliver the enitre message to the script. the script will parse the message and make the changes. then have the script re-send the mail |
| 16:12.09 | _Sam-- | procmail is only a mail delivery agent |
| 16:12.28 | MrWup | but i already have the message piped to my script |
| 16:12.32 | TravellingSalesM | _Sam--: do you know which packages should i install in order to watch my mpeg files? :( i have installed gstreamer0.10blahblah but i only have the voice |
| 16:12.56 | _Sam-- | im sorry -- i read your message later , and i didnt realize you were looking at OUTGOING mail |
| 16:12.57 | _Sam-- | not incoming |
| 16:13.16 | MrWup | ms exhcange sends the email to my debian box. iptables directs port 25 to 10025. proxsmtp is listening on 10025. proxsmtp passes the email to script.sh. script.sh edits the email and sends it on |
| 16:13.40 | MrWup | what im a bit clueless about is what to do inside the script |
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| 16:14.07 | jelly | MrWup: I'd do it in perl. ;-) |
| 16:14.13 | MrWup | one example does formail -i "Subject: Changed subject from $SENDER ..." |
| 16:14.14 | _Sam-- | TravellingSalesM : i used to know, before i built a mythtv box -- ask the guys on #mythtv |
| 16:14.27 | _Sam-- | i forget what apps the mythbox uses to play mpg videos |
| 16:14.32 | MrWup | to change the subject line |
| 16:14.37 | MrWup | but i want to change the actual email content |
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| 16:14.45 | StarWars | JAVA_HOME="/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10" is ok in my etc/profile |
| 16:14.49 | MrWup | like add a disclaimer to the bottom and an image to the top with our company logo |
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| 16:14.55 | StarWars | export JAVA_HOME |
| 16:14.55 | StarWars | <application-name> |
| 16:15.20 | stevesel | hi |
| 16:15.30 | jelly | MrWup: that's not a trivial task |
| 16:15.47 | stevesel | is there any way to use debian with 4 mb of ram?? |
| 16:15.48 | MrWup | it involves parsing through the email structure right? |
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| 16:16.18 | jelly | MrWup: correct. You might eg. break MIME structure or PGP singatures if you're not careful |
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| 16:16.37 | MrWup | we dont use PGP signatures or anything like that |
| 16:16.52 | MrWup | basically if there is some simple bin that allows email aprsing that would be great |
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| 16:17.13 | jelly | stevesel: not a recent release, no |
| 16:17.32 | MrWup | so from within my shell script i just call "emailparser setcontent $content+"blah" or something like that |
| 16:17.35 | MrWup | if u get my drift |
| 16:17.47 | MrWup | and the email parsing bin takes care of it all |
| 16:17.53 | stevesel | jelly: thx |
| 16:17.56 | MrWup | does such a prog exist? |
| 16:18.07 | \amethyst | MrWup: if you're doing perl, maybe look at libmime-explode-perl, libemail-mime-perl, and some others |
| 16:18.21 | \amethyst | MrWup: they are libraries, not programs, though |
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| 16:18.22 | jelly | MrWup: yeah, but writing that parser is a nontrivial task. |
| 16:18.39 | MrWup | i know thats why im hoping someone else has written such a thing |
| 16:19.05 | jovans | es fehlen auch noch andere viele packete die kaputt sind auch in testing was nicht so sein sollte da ist im moment sid "stabler" |
| 16:19.06 | jovans | :) |
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| 16:19.14 | jelly | !de |
| 16:19.14 | dpkg | de is probably deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 16:19.40 | jovans | sorry |
| 16:19.48 | StarWars | Help ..my Java_home is ok ?? http://www.pastebin.ca/626348 |
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| 16:20.05 | \amethyst | MrWup: maybe the program mailtextbody |
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| 16:21.31 | jelly | MrWup: Mailman (mailing list software) does an adequate job of adding a footer to mail that passes thru it |
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| 16:21.41 | StarWars | !java home |
| 16:21.45 | StarWars | hehe :) |
| 16:21.49 | MrWup | jelly - can it add an image to the top? |
| 16:22.05 | MrWup | basically im looking to add our company logo to the top of an email in jpg and put a disclaimer at the bottom |
| 16:22.08 | jelly | MrWup: no idea. However, it's not directly usable in your case |
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| 16:22.40 | jelly | MrWup: ah, but what if your email is not html? |
| 16:23.05 | Quibus | Hi all. If you download a file in iceweasel with the 'save as' context menu function, does it also take 100% CPU for you when it saves the file? the program is completely hanging (busy spinning?) when it's starting the download here. |
| 16:23.50 | test | does ejabberd in debian support PAM authentication |
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| 16:24.35 | MrWup | jelly - it needs to make it html =] |
| 16:24.40 | _Sam-- | MrWup : itsnot going to be something simple , off the rack that you just grab and use. you will either need to write your own code in perl or php |
| 16:24.44 | _Sam-- | (in my opinion) |
| 16:25.00 | MrWup | php would probably be easier for me |
| 16:25.12 | MrWup | perl would be faster though right? |
| 16:25.21 | _Sam-- | that would probably have been my first choice (php) only because i am more familiar with it. |
| 16:25.33 | _Sam-- | faster in terms of processing the mail and generating the new mail? |
| 16:25.37 | MrWup | yeah |
| 16:25.48 | _Sam-- | i mean we are talking milliseconds here of difference most likely |
| 16:25.59 | _Sam-- | unless you are sending tens of millions of mails, it probably wont be a huge factor, in my opinion. |
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| 16:26.30 | MrWup | then i need to figure out how to use php scripts with proxsmtp |
| 16:26.36 | MrWup | cause filtercommand works fine with .sh files |
| 16:26.48 | MrWup | but i assume i cant just say filtercommand: blah.php and expect it to work |
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| 16:27.45 | StarWars | no help? |
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| 16:28.49 | _Sam-- | MrWup : im not terribly familiar with it, but you could try phpmailer |
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| 16:31.18 | _Sam-- | our php guy says he uses this for all our outgoing mass mailers: http://www.phpclasses.org/browse/file/90.html or just the php mail() function |
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| 16:31.45 | StarWars | what i must do ?? http://www.pastebin.ca/626359 |
| 16:32.40 | _Sam-- | StarWars : you could try: apt-get install jamvm |
| 16:33.07 | StarWars | i have java install |
| 16:33.16 | _Sam-- | apparently not the virtual machine |
| 16:33.26 | _Sam-- | apt-get install jamvm |
| 16:33.28 | _Sam-- | or dont. |
| 16:33.31 | Gathond | then point that variable it says it needs at that java install |
| 16:33.37 | StarWars | drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 2007-07-19 19:41 java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10 |
| 16:34.19 | StarWars | i have add line in my etc/profile JAVA_HOME="/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10" |
| 16:34.32 | StarWars | is OK no ? |
| 16:34.43 | StarWars | how i know have my java work ? |
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| 16:35.06 | Gathond | StarWars: JAVA_HOME is not the variable that pastebin link says it wants you to set |
| 16:35.48 | StarWars | so i must : JAVA_HOME="/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10" |
| 16:35.49 | StarWars | ? |
| 16:36.07 | StarWars | or export PATH JAVA_HOME="/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10" ? |
| 16:36.11 | Gathond | StarWars: So I'm going to guess and say no |
| 16:36.19 | Gathond | INSTALL4J_JAVA_HOME |
| 16:36.36 | Gathond | its pretty specific that it wants THAT environment variable, not JAVA_HOME |
| 16:36.48 | StarWars | bash: INSTALL4J_JAVA_HOME: command not found |
| 16:37.04 | StarWars | so what i must to run wich command ? |
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| 16:37.25 | _Sam-- | you could try "export" |
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| 16:38.56 | Gathond | StarWars: use that export line you already had, just with the other variable name |
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| 16:39.47 | _Sam-- | in other words: export INSTALL4J_JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10 |
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| 16:40.40 | StarWars | _Sam-- i mus add theat line in my etc/profile ? |
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| 16:40.48 | _Sam-- | you can type it from a command line |
| 16:41.02 | _Sam-- | then try to run StartElectroServer from the same console |
| 16:41.04 | roland_ | how can i listen to HA-AAC radio stream using audacious ? it doesnt play the stream.. i installed some plugins package for it |
| 16:41.06 | roland_ | what do i need |
| 16:41.32 | StarWars | http://www.pastebin.ca/626378 |
| 16:42.03 | daddy_ben | Can't sincronize PDA with computer over bluetooth :( Does somebody have any experience with this? |
| 16:42.24 | _Sam-- | first thing i would try is apt-get install jamvm |
| 16:42.38 | _Sam-- | anywho, i gotta work., good luck. |
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| 16:43.16 | StarWars | so no need java then ? |
| 16:43.33 | Gathond | StarWars: try to point it specifically into that direcroty |
| 16:43.54 | Gathond | java-...../jre |
| 16:44.40 | StarWars | same shit no work :( |
| 16:44.50 | StarWars | i install "apt-get install jamvm" |
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| 16:45.57 | StarWars | export INSTALL4J_JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10 dont work |
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| 16:46.33 | Gathond | StarWars: no, add /jre to that |
| 16:47.02 | MrWup | whats the php equivalent to bash shell script exit 0 ? |
| 16:47.06 | sanmarcos | test |
| 16:47.07 | MasterRa | So.. my server has started rebooting itself unexpectedly.. i don't see any odd user activity.. and i don't see anything wierd in the logs (syslog or messages).. also the "last" command shows the user "reboot" having been logged in.. what does that mean? |
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| 16:47.22 | sanmarcos | MrWup, ##php exit(); die() maybe, |
| 16:47.32 | StarWars | i gone install all Java Pkg :) |
| 16:47.33 | sanmarcos | MrWup, return() also |
| 16:47.45 | Quibus | Your reply, please :-) |
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| 16:48.07 | MrWup | thanks =] |
| 16:48.08 | Gathond | master: that is not a user, its just marking that the system rebooted there |
| 16:48.53 | StarWars | at least 1.4 and at most 1.4 "crezzy" :)) |
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| 16:49.01 | roland_ | how do i install the debian update manager/notifier |
| 16:49.01 | StarWars | i have 1.5 :)) version |
| 16:49.04 | StarWars | hehe :)) |
| 16:50.20 | MasterRa | Gathond: k i thought so.. but it shows like: reboot system boot 2.6.18-1-k7 Thu Jul 19 05:27 - 11:49 (06:21) (it took 6 hours to boot up?) |
| 16:50.30 | liable | roland_: debian doesnt have it afaik |
| 16:50.47 | blinx | in which package is mp321? dpkg doesn't answer |
| 16:50.57 | _Sam-- | mpg321 |
| 16:51.03 | liable | its in its own package |
| 16:51.16 | _Sam-- | add a g |
| 16:51.35 | Gathond | MasterRa: I'm not sure what the times indicates on the reboot thing, nor if it is accurate |
| 16:51.44 | blinx | and why I can't find it with apt nor packages.debian.org |
| 16:51.48 | blinx | ah mom |
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| 16:52.09 | MasterRa | Gathond: ok, that would make sense. What would you think the possible reasons are that it would reboot on it's own? |
| 16:52.11 | blinx | _Sam--: thx |
| 16:52.17 | _Sam-- | Master_Medic: alot of times, in my experiences at least, unexpected reboots are a result of bad power, high temperatures, or file system problems |
| 16:52.28 | _Sam-- | er not master_medic, damn nick completion |
| 16:52.37 | Gathond | MasterRa: heat problems? kernel crashes because of bad memory perhaps |
| 16:52.39 | _Sam-- | i use lm_sensors to monitor my cpu temps and fan speeds |
| 16:53.03 | _Sam-- | you could run e2fsck on your filesystem at next boot see if it finds anything |
| 16:53.37 | MasterRa | Gathond: it could be heat, i'm checking temps now.. but nothign has changed and all the fans are working, and it just started recently.. was up 90 days prior :) |
| 16:54.09 | _Sam-- | maybe is a hot day in arkansas? |
| 16:54.22 | Gathond | perhaps dust is blocking the fan |
| 16:54.24 | liable | MasterRa: clean inside, run memtest |
| 16:54.38 | _Sam-- | powersupply is a cheap replacement too -- easier to replace one, and see if it fixes the problem, than to keep diagnosing too |
| 16:54.45 | Gathond | it could also be a dodgy PSU |
| 16:54.53 | Gathond | or just horribly bad power into it |
| 16:54.57 | MasterRa | liable: k.. i'll try it |
| 16:55.01 | MasterRa | hrm.. yeah that could be i guess |
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| 16:55.31 | tsocks | Azar: hello ;) |
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| 16:55.42 | mario69 | 'scuse me, what mechanism is responsible for automatic mounting of USB pendrives? On my machine, when I stick the pendrive into the usb socket I get a drive icon on a desktop (with a right name), but when I try to access it I get a message "unable to mount /dev/sda1". I can mount this manually as root without problems. Am I missing some fstab entries? Other config options? |
| 16:55.42 | MasterRa | last time it shutdown one of the disks in the raid was corrupted.. so it's rebuilding it now.. though it's taking a lot more cpu than i remember.. load average of 4.5 and it's killing my 'net connection (ping time of like 800ms to yahoo.com) |
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| 16:55.49 | XtypeWriter74 | hi , i have small laptop and would like to flip my view of desktop 90 degrees, and also have mouse adjusted to that, is it possible and how |
| 16:55.59 | _Sam-- | its probably a bad drive |
| 16:56.09 | XtypeWriter74 | would to look at my laptop like a book |
| 16:56.12 | StarWars | i use " apt-get install jamvm " how i delete`it ? |
| 16:56.42 | chops | XtypeWriter74: With modern X servers you use xrandr |
| 16:56.43 | XtypeWriter74 | apt-get remove --purge jamvm maybe |
| 16:57.03 | MasterRa | _Sam--: would i not expect to see some type of errors reported? |
| 16:57.30 | XtypeWriter74 | modern as in xserver-xorg |
| 16:57.32 | chops | XtypeWriter74: "xrandr -o left" or similar |
| 16:57.47 | XtypeWriter74 | and the mouse option? |
| 16:57.58 | _Sam-- | mastera: dunno.,...there are tools that show the drives status report, as reported directly from the drive |
| 16:58.03 | XtypeWriter74 | adoption |
| 16:58.05 | _Sam-- | i forget the command, been a while |
| 16:58.17 | mario69 | ^^^^ anybody? |
| 16:58.18 | _Sam-- | not a raid tool, but a command that gets drive status from the drive |
| 16:58.20 | XtypeWriter74 | thanx :) |
| 16:58.37 | MasterRa | _Sam--: actually.. you might be right.. hdparm shows dma is off on the drive.. which would account for the huge cpu load :) |
| 16:58.47 | MasterRa | _Sam--: i'll see what SMART has to say about it.. it is an old drive so it might be going |
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| 16:59.00 | _Sam-- | thanks for refreshing my memory -- SMART. |
| 16:59.51 | liable | MasterRa: you can set the cpu usage via proc too |
| 16:59.55 | MasterRa | _Sam--: indeed. Yes.. that was the problem.. turned on dma and the load was instantly lifted :) |
| 17:00.19 | MasterRa | _Sam--: of course, that means i probly need another drive now.. darnit. Wife is not gonna be happy, lol... |
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| 17:02.40 | MangosDebian | MasterRa: how old is the drive? |
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| 17:03.43 | MasterRa | MangosDebian: years. possibly over 5. SMART says power on time is 3871 hours |
| 17:03.57 | MasterRa | MangosDebian: actually.. that sounds very low.. |
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| 17:04.31 | MangosDebian | MasterRa: power on time can overflow iirc |
| 17:04.37 | MangosDebian | ie: loop around :) |
| 17:04.53 | MasterRa | MangosDebian: so maybe i'm reading the wrong value.. but i do think it's an old drive.. IDE.. been on almost nonstop for at least 5 years i think |
| 17:04.58 | MasterRa | MangosDebian: yeah, good point, that could be too |
| 17:05.00 | MangosDebian | my drive is like that |
| 17:05.21 | MangosDebian | MasterRa: what make/model? |
| 17:05.22 | xand | if I apt-get install sylpheed is it meant to put something in the gnome Applications menu? |
| 17:05.23 | MasterRa | MangosDebian: question is though.. SMART still says it's doing good.. shows PASSED.. i'll run a full test on it later.. but also.. would the drive messing up cause the system to reboot? |
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| 17:05.58 | MasterRa | MangosDebian: it's a Seagate Barracuda ST3120026A |
| 17:06.02 | MangosDebian | MasterRa: your swap file IS memory, thus bad hd access for swap file, or swap corruption = same as badram |
| 17:06.26 | tsocks | xand: hmm... you should see in "CONTENTS" folder into slypheed-**.deb ... |
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| 17:06.32 | MangosDebian | MasterRa: hdparm -I, whats your serial number? |
| 17:06.34 | MasterRa | MangosDebian: yeah.. good point.. but i don't think swap is on this drive.. it's in my storage array.. |
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| 17:06.53 | MasterRa | MangosDebian: 5JT67PZA |
| 17:07.50 | MangosDebian | its still in warrenty |
| 17:07.56 | MangosDebian | Dec 2, 2010 |
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| 17:08.05 | MangosDebian | 120gig 7200 yes? |
| 17:08.16 | MangosDebian | go to seagate.com and RMA it |
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| 17:08.41 | MangosDebian | be sure to do a secure ATA/AT wipe first to clean the drive |
| 17:09.10 | MangosDebian | software wipes dont clear the relocated sectors nor rescramed the password for the drive |
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| 17:09.21 | Gge | Since I upgarded from Etch to Lenny , I have to run Startyx to have Xorg+Gdm running , Is it a new behavior ? |
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| 17:09.33 | xand | MangosDebian: what password? |
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| 17:09.54 | Gge | before , no need to login & type startx |
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| 17:10.09 | rklassen | got a real weird one. Debian-exim the mail user doesn't show up in the process table as Debian-exim but as 100, it's uid |
| 17:10.23 | chops | Gge: Have you checked the BTS? That doesn't sound like intended behavior. |
| 17:10.25 | MangosDebian | xand: some model use a password to encode the data. in which case after wipe, they just do another random pasword to effectively loose the ability to recover old data |
| 17:10.45 | rklassen | what is causing ps not to resolve that uid? |
| 17:10.51 | MangosDebian | xand: something to do with internal encoding, not related to the AT drive password i dont think |
| 17:10.53 | chops | rklassen: Could be the "-" |
| 17:10.55 | Gge | Chops , Sorry , what's BTS ? |
| 17:10.55 | xand | MangosDebian: I never saw a harddisk with built in encryption |
| 17:11.01 | chops | !tell Gge about bts |
| 17:11.05 | daddy_ben | where can i download some anime? ^^ |
| 17:11.16 | xand | daddy_ben: why would you want to? |
| 17:11.17 | MangosDebian | xand: its something that you cant control if I understand it correctly |
| 17:11.19 | tsocks | !tell tsocks about bts |
| 17:11.20 | tsocks | ;) |
| 17:11.40 | xand | MangosDebian: sounds like rubbish to me ;) |
| 17:11.46 | daddy_ben | why? somethink to watch ) |
| 17:11.47 | MasterRa | MangosDebian: oh wow.. i had no idea it would still be under warrenty.. i'll checkout seagate.com and see.. you're right about the size/speed info.. |
| 17:11.51 | MangosDebian | xand: and most AT drives > ~2001 have passwords |
| 17:11.59 | rklassen | chops, that's the default debian install |
| 17:12.06 | xand | MangosDebian: if you say so |
| 17:12.15 | MangosDebian | MasterRa: you would be surprised how long they warrenty them for. They want your data more than anything im sure ;) |
| 17:12.25 | themill | Gge: are you running xdm kdm or gdm? |
| 17:12.38 | MasterRa | MangosDebian: lol... probly. I didn't think IDE drives were expected to last more than 4 or 5 years? |
| 17:12.45 | MangosDebian | xand: never heard of ATA security set? |
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| 17:13.28 | MangosDebian | MasterRa: well, according to google studies, thats about right. but thats also in a very loaded setup. ~5 seems to be my avg as well |
| 17:13.35 | tsocks | Gge: is gdm/kdm/xdm on /etc/init.d/ ? |
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| 17:13.51 | MangosDebian | MasterRa: just make sure you send the drive properly packaged or they wont honour the rma |
| 17:14.06 | MasterRa | MangosDebian: k.. i'm not sure the drive is the issue though.. i'll try some of their utilities if they have any and what not to see if it's function properly.. |
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| 17:14.42 | MasterRa | MangosDebian: mainly i'm trying to track down what's up with the rebooting thing.. :-| when i turn on DMA the drive is working without errors.. so i don't know.. |
| 17:15.10 | MangosDebian | xand: http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography@metzdowd.com/msg03880.html |
| 17:15.26 | MangosDebian | although google has a few million hits if you feel like readin yourself |
| 17:15.30 | MasterRa | MangosDebian: wait a second.. i take it back.. now i'm seeing hdc: dma timeout error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } like mad in dmesg |
| 17:15.44 | moshii | MasterRa: bad drive |
| 17:16.13 | MangosDebian | MasterRa: bad drive, or bad chipset drivers for dma or bad cable i think are about all that could cause that |
| 17:16.15 | test | where does aptitude hold information about packets marked as HOLD |
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| 17:16.21 | MasterRa | MangosDebian: do you konw what that means exactly? i had it happen with another.. (same exact model i think) and had to pull it from this server.. but then i formatted it and put it in another machine, and it has been running fine there since :-| |
| 17:16.24 | MangosDebian | MasterRa: turn your dma off again if its causing problems |
| 17:16.33 | xand | MangosDebian: oh ok, that... xboxes use it to stop you using their harddisks in other machines |
| 17:16.55 | MasterRa | MangosDebian: well i only see the errors when dma is on.. when off i don't see any logged errors about the drive.. but of course the system load is through the roof if it's doing anything (like rebuilding the raid array right now) |
| 17:17.41 | moshii | MasterRa: I'd say the drive is on it's way out, it only complains when dma is turned on because PIO is that much slower |
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| 17:17.46 | MangosDebian | xand: basically when governments wanna wipe a drive that supports secure ata, they issue an AT wipe. but as for the built in encoding, I am not sure if drives are self encrypted automatically or if its only higher end drives. ill try find you an article if I can where I read it |
| 17:17.56 | MasterRa | MangosDebian: so it could be the dma chip on the motherboard? that could explain why the other one didn't work in this machine too but seems ok in another.. maybe i'll try pulling it and putting it in the other machine and rebuilding a large array on it a few times and see if i get the errors.. |
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| 17:18.19 | MasterRa | moshii: k.. well i thought so too, but see what i was saying above.. i have another same model and age that did this to me about 6 months ago.. but i put it in another machien and it hasn't had an error since.. :-| |
| 17:18.34 | xingu | MasterRa: are you turning dma on the controller (hdparm -d) as well as on the driver (-X) ? |
| 17:18.39 | xand | MangosDebian: dont worry |
| 17:18.50 | MangosDebian | MasterRa: not to say the chip is bad, but not all drivers are created equally. also, have you tried a new ribbon cable? |
| 17:18.52 | xingu | s/driver/drive/ |
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| 17:19.15 | moshii | MasterRa: you could have a bad chipset then.. e.g. DMA on some Via stuff is totally broken |
| 17:19.53 | MasterRa | moshii: ahh.. it may be via.. how can i see my chipset info? |
| 17:20.04 | moshii | MasterRa: lspci |
| 17:20.07 | MasterRa | MangosDebian: i did try several cables on the other drive, havn't done anything with this one yet.. cables didn't help the other drive :) |
| 17:20.11 | roland_ | whats the best cpu to squeeze linux performance ? athlon 64 x2 or intel core 2 duo ? |
| 17:20.14 | MangosDebian | xand: http://cmrr.ucsd.edu/Hughes/SecureErase.html <-- excellent arcticles |
| 17:20.45 | moshii | roland_: depends on what you're doing.. and the core series has "issues" at the moment |
| 17:20.50 | moshii | like massive bugs |
| 17:20.53 | roland_ | huuh |
| 17:20.56 | roland_ | wtf.. since when |
| 17:20.57 | kokice | can anyone assist me in my situation, i have a server on a local network, but whenever i connect from another machine via putty, it disconnects me from ssh every 10 or 5 min.. not sure.. havent timed it, it just recently started doing this |
| 17:20.57 | MasterRa | moshii: IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) |
| 17:21.00 | xingu | moshii: eh? |
| 17:21.09 | roland_ | core 2 duo is perfectly stable |
| 17:21.09 | kokice | does anyone know what it could be |
| 17:21.15 | MangosDebian | xand: i wasnt able to ever at erase a drive until I learned about the power trick from him. he has more in depth ones somewhere. thats not the site i originally visited though |
| 17:21.47 | moshii | xingu: security issues among other things.. |
| 17:21.54 | xingu | moshii: cite? |
| 17:22.01 | moshii | MasterRa: yeah that's a baaaad chipset, ask any amiga one owner |
| 17:22.08 | moshii | xingu: just a second |
| 17:22.21 | xingu | MangosDebian: google "dban" |
| 17:22.27 | xand | MangosDebian: i expect we'll still drill holes through old disks at work ;) |
| 17:22.38 | moshii | xingu: http://kerneltrap.org/node/8472 |
| 17:22.44 | Gathond | moshii: to be honest I think most of those was Theo acting paranoid |
| 17:23.26 | moshii | xand: that's what reed soloman coding is for.. |
| 17:23.28 | Gathond | moshii: and its not like AMD's contains no bugs |
| 17:23.50 | moshii | Gathond: true, I'm not floating either way |
| 17:24.30 | moshii | Gathond: but if they had a decent speed m68k I'd go for that at the drop of a hat |
| 17:24.35 | MangosDebian | xingu: i use hderase, ive had success |
| 17:25.01 | MasterRa | moshii: alright.. i'll try these drives in a machine with a different (non-via if i have one) motherboard and see what kinda results i get.. thanks for the help! |
| 17:25.06 | MasterRa | MangosDebian: thanks for your help too |
| 17:25.07 | MasterRa | bbl |
| 17:25.12 | MangosDebian | xingu: bah, dban is software wipe = no good |
| 17:25.18 | moshii | MasterRa: I had that chipset and had major issues |
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| 17:25.33 | MangosDebian | xingu: ONLY a secure AT wipe is certified by the government, plus physical destruction |
| 17:25.33 | moshii | MasterRa: 2.4 kernels work better IIRC |
| 17:25.48 | MangosDebian | (depending on required level of secrecy) |
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| 17:26.06 | moshii | MangosDebian: or just encrypt the data to start with? |
| 17:26.28 | MangosDebian | xingu: secure AT wipes the host proctected areas and relocated sectors. software _cannot_ even address them let alone wipe them |
| 17:27.19 | xand | then how can they be wiped? c.c |
| 17:27.49 | MangosDebian | moshii: then your weakness is recoverability of the password/keys. secure at wipe is the best solution since each drives internal encoding varies. secure at wipes are designed by each manufacturer to BEST wipe the drives using bit patterns that are most effective |
| 17:28.11 | MangosDebian | xand: ? |
| 17:28.39 | moshii | MangosDebian: but with "just" wiping your still leaving traces of the raw data there |
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| 17:29.25 | MangosDebian | xingu: the reason dban sucks balls is that bios's lock the drive to prevent a virus from setting a random password on it and effetively scrapping it on you. thus you need a better bios or do the power trick to wipe it as is the case with 99.9% of consumer pc's |
| 17:29.31 | moshii | MangosDebian: if you crypt the data and then wipe it, chances are they won't be able to recover the keys from what's left and the data that is there is coded and thus worthless |
| 17:29.34 | xingu | I'd be willing to bet small amounts of beer that "secure at wipe" is aliased to "format unit" in what passes for firmware in storage land |
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| 17:30.22 | abrotman | define 'small amount' |
| 17:30.28 | xingu | half a quart |
| 17:30.34 | MangosDebian | moshii: a software wipe doesnt make the data inaccessable to people with proper equipment. theres always traces left over from the bits |
| 17:30.38 | abrotman | some might call that a pint |
| 17:30.53 | xingu | they're glass full people |
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| 17:31.05 | MangosDebian | moshii: http://cmrr.ucsd.edu/Hughes/CmrrSecureEraseProtocols.pdf |
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| 17:31.35 | moshii | MangosDebian: yes in the transision zones on the disk.. but the head never follows the exact same path even if you use "hardware wiping" magic |
| 17:31.39 | abrotman | !dban |
| 17:31.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, dban is http://dban.sf.net/ Darik's Boot and Nuke ("DBAN") is a self-contained boot floppy that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers. DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. |
| 17:31.56 | moshii | MangosDebian: *transition |
| 17:32.24 | MangosDebian | moshii: of course not, but its still wiping areas that you can't access normally as well compared to software |
| 17:32.27 | abrotman | dban does take a while to run though |
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| 17:32.41 | moshii | MangosDebian: or... you could just encrypt your data |
| 17:33.21 | MangosDebian | moshii: yes, that is pretty much a requirement if you need security :) |
| 17:33.22 | helo | where should i start to find out how to setup some automated error emailing from bash scripts? |
| 17:33.37 | moshii | MangosDebian: getting back fragments of data like "the bomb is in xx" is easier if you don't have to recover keys from fragments of data |
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| 17:34.55 | moshii | It's a shame linux doesn't really support hardware crypto.. then we could have encrypted filesystems without the overheads |
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| 17:35.32 | moshii | I have a safenet crypto accelerator in one of my boxes :( |
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| 17:35.45 | xingu | moshii: you have the source... |
| 17:36.11 | helo | what package has the "mail" utility? |
| 17:36.19 | moshii | xingu: yes, but not the weight to get the documents for the chipset |
| 17:36.32 | moshii | xingu: openbsd on the other hand supports ton of crypto hardware |
| 17:36.37 | helo | i asked dpkg but he's doesn't find it |
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| 17:36.50 | abrotman | moshii: you mean it's a shame those companies don't offer drivers for linux |
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| 17:37.42 | xingu | I can't wait until someone throws together a boot sector virus that issues an ata secure erase command |
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| 17:38.04 | helo | i imagine it would have problems spreading |
| 17:38.04 | Dammmm | Guys howto change the Eterm font size ??? |
| 17:38.05 | MangosDebian | xingu: perhaps I didnt explain it properly, you cant |
| 17:38.24 | moshii | abrotman: the companies argue that their closed drivers/api for linux are enough |
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| 17:38.38 | MangosDebian | xingu: every consumer bios ive seen issues an AT freeze on startup, thus all lock/password/erase commands dont work |
| 17:38.54 | MangosDebian | xingu: you cant unlock the drive unless you cycle power |
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| 17:39.23 | xingu | MangosDebian: at bus reset? |
| 17:39.26 | MangosDebian | unless your bios sets a password and you happen to know what it sets |
| 17:39.51 | MangosDebian | xingu: no, power reset |
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| 17:39.55 | themill | helo: apt-file search /usr/bin/mail |
| 17:40.00 | abrotman | moshii: i thought you said linux didn't support them ? |
| 17:40.07 | xingu | MangosDebian: how about suspend/resume? |
| 17:40.07 | abrotman | helo: mailx |
| 17:40.13 | helo | thanks |
| 17:40.30 | MangosDebian | xingu: soon as the bios starts up, it freezes the drive |
| 17:41.14 | MangosDebian | xingu: if you want to play with AT at your own risk, pull the power on the drive and boot a cd and plug power in before you boot a kernel. you've been warned though |
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| 17:41.34 | moshii | abrotman: not in the kernel, with these things you have to use the vendors binary driver and then write application around that... they have SHA,MD5 etc etc on the hardware so are pretty useful for general day to day stuff, but there is nothing in the kernel to support that |
| 17:41.42 | xingu | MangosDebian: hang on, if the peripheral is instructed to power off and power on, it'll preserve this state? |
| 17:41.44 | MangosDebian | kernel doesnt use bios, thus tools like hderase.exe and linux can still use the drive |
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| 17:42.01 | abrotman | moshii: so whose fault is that ... |
| 17:42.02 | MangosDebian | xingu: telling a drive to power down is not a reset |
| 17:42.12 | abrotman | moshii: not linux .. the vendor |
| 17:42.15 | MangosDebian | xingu: you need to physically kill the power on it |
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| 17:42.34 | MangosDebian | or else the freeze will persist |
| 17:42.46 | xingu | MangosDebian: so you're saying that when ata drives are told to power down, they don't entirely? or that they write state into nvram? |
| 17:43.07 | moshii | abrotman: bit of both, there is support for utilizing these cards in the openbsd kernel so vendors are happy to give them documentation |
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| 17:43.32 | marcin_ | Hello, I have simply question about build-essential. I'm using debian etch at my "test box" and I need to re-compile the kernel so I installed build-essential. And, now is the question, if I do apt-get remove build-essential it'll remove all gcc, headers and others? :> Beacuse I need it just co compilation. |
| 17:43.36 | MangosDebian | xingu: does the power to their power connector still have juice during a power down? |
| 17:43.55 | MangosDebian | xingu: you think the psu shuts down the connector? |
| 17:44.27 | MangosDebian | xingu: how else do you think you can wake hardware backup if its not always on to some extent listening for a wake up? |
| 17:44.44 | xingu | MangosDebian: I'm not disputing the point, just clarifying whether or not the drive electronics are actually powered off when the spindle is |
| 17:44.47 | abrotman | moshii: so if you can find documentation .. *you* should be able to write the driver :) |
| 17:45.18 | xingu | MangosDebian: does the same apply to sata with active link power management? |
| 17:45.40 | moshii | abrotman: or.. just run xen on the box and allow a openbsd domU use the card |
| 17:45.40 | MangosDebian | xingu: why dont you just prove it yourself. go suspoend and resume a drive and tell me how well your at commands work |
| 17:45.47 | abrotman | perhaps |
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| 17:46.19 | Zeroth|work | how does this "network boot" thing work? |
| 17:46.22 | chops | marcin_: With apt-get it will only remove the build-essential metapackage, leaving you still with gcc and friends. With aptitude it will remove build-essential and everything that was installed as a dependency of build-essential. |
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| 17:46.30 | abrotman | Zeroth|work: network boot ... or netinst ? |
| 17:46.34 | Zeroth|work | network boot |
| 17:46.45 | moshii | abrotman: the via padlock crypto stuff is pretty well supported though, shame it's attached to lowend processors :( |
| 17:46.46 | MangosDebian | xingu: what command do you suggest to put a drive to sleep in your case? |
| 17:46.52 | abrotman | usually it gets the kernel from a host that offers it .. and pulls the stuff it needs .. and then uses an NFS home |
| 17:47.02 | helo | what needs to be configured so that things like 'cat /etc/hosts|mail -s "here is my hosts file" someone@somewhere.com' will work? |
| 17:47.11 | abrotman | the C7 is not lowend! .. you just have high expectations :) |
| 17:47.53 | Zeroth|work | abrotman, I've got a cdromless laptop, which is why I ask. |
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| 17:48.50 | xingu | MangosDebian: so to surmise; an ata disk in power-down state isn't off, only the spindle is; and the firmware is expected to preserve lock'd status across bus resets and phy power state changes |
| 17:49.04 | moshii | abrotman: make a good/cheap SSL accelerator I think.. but it's not something I'd use as my desktop machine |
| 17:49.28 | MangosDebian | xingu: go find out for yourself |
| 17:50.11 | moshii | if you want to mess someones drive up why not just brick it's firmware? |
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| 17:50.34 | abrotman | Zeroth|work: okay .. no floppy either ? |
| 17:50.35 | xingu | MangosDebian: btw I don't know why you're trying to paint me as a protagonist in some sort of debate, I'm actually trying to understand what you're saying here. |
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| 17:50.39 | MangosDebian | xingu: "until after next power on reset" is very specifically stated |
| 17:51.00 | Zeroth|work | abrotman, I've used floppy install before, but I rememebr havving difficulty with it. |
| 17:51.10 | xingu | moshii: I assume because that will be lock'd too, in fact MangosDebian said that earler. |
| 17:51.22 | moshii | xingu: but you can do firmware updates from dos |
| 17:51.29 | TrueDD | Salut tous |
| 17:51.37 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 17:51.47 | moshii | xingu: so you could brick the firmware from a small bit of code in the mbr |
| 17:52.25 | MangosDebian | moshii: so your saying you can update a drives firmware while its in the freeze ata state? |
| 17:52.35 | xingu | moshii: I wonder if the drive firmware resets after loading new firmware :) |
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| 17:53.10 | moshii | MangosDebian: I've done firmware update on a Harddisk once before.. and numerous times on Pioneer DVDR drives |
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| 17:53.30 | moshii | MangosDebian: from linux I'll add |
| 17:53.31 | wakaran | Hi. I need the kernel headers for building modules for the stable version. Is there a deb package or do I need to recompile the kernel? |
| 17:53.40 | xingu | I've done plenty on sas/scsi peripherals, but that's outside the context here |
| 17:53.56 | chops | wakaran: You want one of the linux-headers packages |
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| 17:54.08 | MangosDebian | "The SECURITY FREEZE LOCK command prevents changes to passwords all Security attributes until a following power cycle. The purpose of the SECURITY FREEZE LOCK command is to prevent password setting attacjs on the security syste," |
| 17:54.41 | moshii | MangosDebian: and we all know very well that no security is 100% secure |
| 17:54.58 | MangosDebian | moshii: I dont think dvd drives count :) And this hard disk you updated, what year? Did it support the ATA security set? |
| 17:55.04 | wakaran | chops: the linux-kernel-headers package says: "These headers can not be used to build kernel modules" |
| 17:55.13 | chops | wakaran: ! |
| 17:55.17 | chops | wakaran: But... they can. |
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| 17:55.24 | chops | wakaran: Oh, not that one |
| 17:55.53 | chops | wakaran: That's the headers that libc6 was compiled against. You want (IIRC) the linux-headers-foo package, not the linux-kernel-headers package |
| 17:56.16 | MangosDebian | moshii: no its not 100% secure. im sure seagate can pop their custom equipment and make the drive read/write and spin at any speed they want too. But that doesnt mean that those commands are even available to you or your bios |
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| 17:56.53 | chops | wakaran: Nice and straightforward, isn't it? :-) |
| 17:57.05 | wakaran | oh, I found them (2.6.18-4) |
| 17:57.14 | moshii | MangosDebian: even if you don't have access to these commands,.. you can shit up someone's data to the point that they'll have to spend a lot of money to get back without them |
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| 17:57.20 | moshii | MangosDebian: so it's pretty moot |
| 17:57.32 | wakaran | chops: but I have 2.6.18-7. no problem? |
| 17:57.41 | chops | wakaran: Problem |
| 17:58.02 | chops | wakaran: You need to find one that matches your uname exactly; the uname is (for Debian-packaged kernels) where the ABI information is encoded |
| 17:58.29 | xingu | The question is: have the BIOS programmers of the desktop PC manufacturers thought of this? A tour of inspection through the device zoo of c't magazine's editorial staff provided some shocking insights: In the case of two thirds of all the PCs inspected the security functions were not frozen; and this group included not only devices cobbled together but also current branded PCs by Dell, HP and Apple. (circa 2005) |
| 17:58.45 | chops | wakaran: You'll want to make it more specific than 2.6.18-4; you want e.g. 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 17:58.47 | xingu | Among the 16 current notebooks inspected four devices were found whose hard disk security was not frozen: Acer TravelMate 4050LMi, Asus V6V, Benq Joybook 5100e and Gericom Overdose 1440e. The Asus Model did at least freeze the security functions once a hard disk password had been set. |
| 17:58.52 | MangosDebian | xingu: When Software Reset and Device Reset occurs between commands, the device shall not change any Security attribute of the device. Hardware Reset behaviou may be affected by the "Software Settings Preservation" (SSP) feature described in SATA-IO document "Serial ATA Revision 2.5" |
| 17:58.59 | chops | wakaran: See "uname -r" for exactly which one you need |
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| 17:59.05 | _Sam-- | this isnt the best place to ask this question -- but -- what linux solution offers the closest functionality to a hosted exchange server? i already have imap/ssl/webbased mail but i still feel like im missing something. |
| 17:59.28 | Zeroth|work | I'm having a hell of a time trying to find a mirror with floppy images. the debian website is no help |
| 17:59.46 | _Sam-- | Zeroth|work: people still have floppy drives? |
| 17:59.59 | xingu | maybe a channel strawpoll - hdparm -I <yourhd> | grep frozen |
| 18:00.04 | xingu | mine seems to be |
| 18:00.10 | wakaran | chops: 2.6.18-4 686 :) |
| 18:00.15 | moshii | Zeroth|work: the debian installer page points to floppy images I think |
| 18:00.23 | MangosDebian | xingu: "Power-on Reset causes an exit from Frozen mode and preserves and Maste and User passwords that have been set. The device shall enter either security state SEC1 or SEC4 depending on whether Security is disabled or enabled. Any reset or power-down event that occurs during the executin of a Security command may result in indeterminate results." |
| 18:00.43 | Zeroth|work | moshii, I'm running in circles with the links provided |
| 18:00.48 | Zeroth|work | literally |
| 18:00.50 | chops | wakaran: Ah, okay. Yes, it's very confusing, because there's an ABI number and a Debian revision number, and they both appear in exactly the same place in different contexts |
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| 18:01.00 | moshii | Zeroth|work: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/ |
| 18:01.05 | moshii | Zeroth|work: in floppy |
| 18:01.09 | chops | wakaran: But anyway, in that case you should install linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 and compile against those |
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| 18:01.29 | wakaran | chop: ok. Thank you very much |
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| 18:01.42 | Zeroth|work | what version of debian is that? |
| 18:02.05 | moshii | Zeroth|work: by default it'll install testing, I think if you do an expert/advanced/something install you can select stable |
| 18:02.11 | MangosDebian | xingu: SEC1 not SEC4 set freeze, so it would be interesting to know about your power mode on sata. Unless it actually kills the power to the drive, i dont think it actually would allow for it. Be interesting to test if your not concerned with bricking your drive :) |
| 18:02.27 | Zeroth|work | testing is what I want :-) |
| 18:02.29 | xingu | MangosDebian: *nod* so the spec is robust; providing nobody gets clever and *does* build a system that lets you poweroff the drive electronics |
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| 18:02.41 | moshii | Zeroth|work: those will be the images you want then :) |
| 18:02.54 | xingu | MangosDebian: like say what must surely happen if you snooze a bus powered usb<->ata bridge |
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| 18:03.49 | MangosDebian | xingu: wall, thats how I have to at wipe my drives. pull power cord, boot bios to boot menu, power up drive after I hit enter but before cd boots or else bios chokes. But once the boot is starting and before the bus probes for devices |
| 18:03.52 | Zeroth|work | moshii, there are three net-drivers images... |
| 18:03.54 | xingu | MangosDebian: so all that remains is (circa 2005) a large installed base of bios' that don't freeze the drive, you're sorted |
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| 18:04.11 | moshii | Zeroth|work: I'm not sure if you'll need them all |
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| 18:04.37 | moshii | Zeroth|work: you need boot and root for sure, it may ask you if you want to load aditional drivers from the remaining ones |
| 18:04.40 | JordiGH | Any news about moving sun-java*-jre to main? |
| 18:04.43 | MangosDebian | xingu: actually every mobo ive ever tried that i own seem to all lock the devices for your own good. ~2000-2002 or so for them |
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| 18:05.36 | MangosDebian | xingu: basically you could boot up with the power trick and at password your drive when you go out and nobody without manufaturure equipment should even be able to use your drive if its stolen |
| 18:05.37 | xingu | MangosDebian: http://www.heise.de/ct/english/05/08/172/ - anecdotal, -ve slant on the concept |
| 18:05.45 | moshii | Zeroth|work: last painful install I did was over serial |
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| 18:06.02 | simonrvn | Zeroth|work: you'll need either the cd- or net-drivers image; it will ask for one, and you'll need something to load addtional installer stuff |
| 18:06.07 | moshii | Zeroth|work: sometimes it's better just to connect the drive up somewhere else, do the install there and move it over :P |
| 18:06.17 | xingu | MangosDebian: interesting concept; if you do the power trick, the bios will no longer be able to freeze the drive - it won't have the password any more. |
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| 18:06.39 | xingu | MangosDebian: and, 10:1 you could /recover/ the bios password with a long enough attack |
| 18:06.40 | simonrvn | i've done floppy installs so often i can do them blindfolded |
| 18:06.43 | moshii | xingu: it's that what you do with xbox 360 drives? |
| 18:06.47 | MangosDebian | xingu: ya, i think thats how IBM laptops prevent theft and such. they just use tpm devices and so forth with hard to recovered passwords and use that to lock the device on starup instead of a freeze |
| 18:07.00 | moshii | xingu: *isn't |
| 18:07.31 | xingu | MangosDebian: too bad if the bios is using a static or predictable password generator |
| 18:07.37 | MangosDebian | xingu: well, i dont think my bios's actually set a password and freeze or else it would be locked to that machine. Seems they just freeze and make the password moot |
| 18:07.48 | xingu | aah. |
| 18:08.05 | xingu | so thaw isn't possible even with password; and freeze doesn't require it |
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| 18:08.54 | xingu | ok, so the only thing i'm surprised about so far is that; that the spec doesn't use the set password as a cookie for freeze |
| 18:08.57 | MangosDebian | xingu: ya, its kinda secure in that sense. they dont even need to support it, just freeze the drive on start. and since the bios controls the system, they know to issues freezes on startup to prevent this |
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| 18:09.21 | xingu | I'm not bugged about the trapdoor nature of freeze, that's good; but to not require a cookie for freeze first... |
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| 18:09.28 | MangosDebian | xingu: why bother? a freeze is meant to eleiminate the use of any of those commands until power reset |
| 18:10.02 | MangosDebian | xingu: if they set a password then your screwed anyways if you dont know the password |
| 18:10.18 | MangosDebian | freeze seems more secure imho. keeps you from yourself :) |
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| 18:10.36 | MangosDebian | or else people would be locking themselves out of drives all the time |
| 18:10.51 | solitude | hey, ive just used fwcutter to install the firmware for my broadcom wireless nic. and its now listed as eth2. where can i configure the ssid, authetication, key etc? |
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| 18:11.35 | xingu | MangosDebian: frozen-forbidden-cmds-requires-password-as-cookie guards against the known-unknown of a reliable way to reset the electronics and thaw the device by doing so |
| 18:11.49 | JordiGH | Is gij a replacement for sun-java6-jre? |
| 18:11.51 | MangosDebian | xingu: i think the way ibm and others use the password is they set a master password to whatever, then a user password and then use that to boot. thus enabling the drive but preventing the more serious commands |
| 18:12.21 | JordiGH | I don't understand if sun-java*-jre will eventually move to main or not... |
| 18:12.38 | xingu | anyway |
| 18:12.46 | xand | JordiGH: i should think so, when it's all GPLed? |
| 18:12.55 | xand | JordiGH: gij is an alternative java runtime |
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| 18:13.19 | xingu | MangosDebian: thanks anyway; learnt something interesting today. :) |
| 18:13.21 | JordiGH | xand: I thought it already all was GPLed except for the one thing that's missing? |
| 18:13.33 | JordiGH | Didn't Sun already release all the liberated code they have so far? |
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| 18:13.54 | MangosDebian | xingu: curious, what does hdparm -I list for your sata drive? |
| 18:14.04 | some_dude | the cups from 4.0 runs my printer, but the drivers included with 3.1 do not. Is there a way I can get those drivers from 4.0 to run on my 3.1 system ? |
| 18:14.08 | MangosDebian | xingu: ya np, always fun to dig deeper into this stuff :) |
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| 18:14.49 | JordiGH | !tell some_dude about backports |
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| 18:15.07 | MangosDebian | xingu: I get: supported, not enabled, not locked, frozen, not expired: security count, not supported: enchanced erased (which means zero instead of random iirc) |
| 18:15.21 | xingu | MangosDebian: http://rafb.net/p/3BEBrE45.html |
| 18:15.29 | MangosDebian | xingu: and the bios on this machine must be 1999-2000 |
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| 18:15.55 | MangosDebian | ya, same as mine |
| 18:16.14 | xingu | MangosDebian: feb '07 |
| 18:16.20 | MangosDebian | xingu: so you can stil secure erase, just not enhanced erase it |
| 18:16.36 | MangosDebian | it will still wipe the host protected and relocated sector areas though |
| 18:18.08 | MangosDebian | xingu: I think the smartest thing we could both do though would be to set at least a master password on our drives just in case :) |
| 18:18.36 | MangosDebian | "setting the master password does not activate the protection" |
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| 18:19.09 | ampex2 | If I have a directory in a variable, how can I get everything up intil the second forward slash? |
| 18:19.55 | JordiGH | ampex2: In a bash script? |
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| 18:20.35 | some_dude | I'm running colinux, and thinking about trying to upgrade to 4.0, but someone told me that might not be a good idea, because the kernel might not support it. |
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| 18:20.40 | helo | where can i read about exim4's configuration in etch? |
| 18:21.08 | MangosDebian | xingu: lol, i like that part about reseting lost user password. "Should it get lost then the administrator with his or her master password will only be able to unlock the disk after forgeiting all the data stored upon it. Which step is accomplished by the comand Security Erase." |
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| 18:21.18 | xingu | MangosDebian: http://www.yec-usa.com/products/hddrock.htm :) |
| 18:21.28 | JordiGH | some_dude: I've had issues with the lenny kernel, but the etch kernel looks rock solid to me. What reasons do you have for supporting the newer kernel won't support your printer? |
| 18:21.48 | JordiGH | s/supporting/suspecting |
| 18:21.48 | lilkid | wasn't sure where to ask, rather new to linux/debian, i'm trying to force restart apache2 but it says "Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...httpd (no pid file) not running , then "failed!" after a few more errors about sockets etc. |
| 18:21.54 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.58 | bkw | I've placed a script in /etc/cron.hourly/ , but for some reason it doesn't seem to run every hour from what I can read in syslog. Have a forgotten anything? |
| 18:22.26 | themill | bkw: is it executable? |
| 18:22.27 | some_dude | I can't change the kernel. I'm using colinux. It's a port of linux to windows. It's tons time faster than VMware. |
| 18:22.35 | MangosDebian | xingu: ya, thats the kinda tool I figure the manufacturer would need in order to unlock it by manually manipulating the drive |
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| 18:22.57 | bkw | themill: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 156 2007-07-19 10:19 mail.sh |
| 18:22.59 | bkw | yes. |
| 18:23.22 | abrotman | bkw: is it a cron task ? |
| 18:23.34 | abrotman | bkw: man run-parts .. no "." allowed |
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| 18:24.02 | xingu | MangosDebian: I'd imagine that on a 3G SATA link you could get through a fair few security unlock commands every second ;) |
| 18:24.03 | abrotman | among other characters |
| 18:24.05 | themill | abrotman: is that a recent change? |
| 18:24.16 | bkw | abrotman: ah, ok. |
| 18:24.18 | abrotman | themill: yeah .. like uhm .. woody :) |
| 18:24.19 | bkw | thanks |
| 18:24.19 | xingu | MangosDebian: wonder if drive firmware has things like lockout and backoff |
| 18:24.22 | abrotman | maybe before |
| 18:24.49 | MangosDebian | xingu: well, the security set does have a count setting. I dont know if it applies in this case though |
| 18:24.53 | JordiGH | some_dude: Why don't you install a real GNU/Linux sytem? ;-) http://www.goodbye-windows.com, http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 18:24.57 | themill | abrotman: so that explains why that shell script hasn't worked since... like uhm... potato |
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| 18:25.10 | themill | abrotman: :) |
| 18:25.24 | abrotman | themill: probably :) |
| 18:25.28 | xingu | MangosDebian: does the peripheral power up locked if a user password is set? |
| 18:25.32 | themill | abrotman: not really an important one so I never looked into why it wasn't working. Now I know :) |
| 18:25.37 | abrotman | it may have always been there .. but i wasn't doing much admin work back then |
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| 18:25.40 | some_dude | JordiGH : I need 15 virtual linuxs, and xen does not suport the networking properly. |
| 18:25.46 | xingu | MangosDebian: sorry, too slack to go spec reading, and you know this stuff offhand anyway ;) |
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| 18:26.09 | JordiGH | Isn't Xen another virtualisation tool? And why don't you just make 15 partitions in your hard drive? |
| 18:26.13 | JordiGH | some_dude: ^^ |
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| 18:26.30 | JordiGH | Or is rebooting a pain? |
| 18:26.35 | MangosDebian | xingu: a master password only wont enable lock on start, only a user password. and you can reset with master fine if high security mode, but max mode will only reset with a secure erase |
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| 18:27.25 | some_dude | JordiGH : we have the worst software it runs one per PC. to make it run for our terminal users, we have to create virtual PC and run the software on that, and export the display. |
| 18:27.26 | xingu | MangosDebian: ya; what I'm looking for is a way to have the drive poweron locked with (bios? bootloader? early userspace?) unlocking it |
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| 18:28.21 | MangosDebian | xingu: would need to have the drive powered off at start until you boot, and enabled before your kernel loads again. a delay time may work ok |
| 18:29.15 | MangosDebian | xingu: that or a boot cd and a serial power relay switch board. boot the cd and have it startup linux, trigger the relays to turn on power, then use the kernel feature to allow boot into another kernel without reboot |
| 18:29.19 | helo | anyone know if in the exim4 "ip address listen" configuration param (from dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config) can accept things like 192.168.1.0? |
| 18:29.28 | JordiGH | some_dude: Hm. Does sound inconvenient. |
| 18:29.36 | some_dude | you have no idea. |
| 18:29.57 | MangosDebian | xingu: well, thats if you wanted something more automated. else just a switch on your case would do perhaps |
| 18:30.05 | xingu | mmm |
| 18:30.13 | xingu | ok more thinking required. |
| 18:30.14 | some_dude | it's java software so I was lucky enough to get it to run on linux, otherwise we would have no options |
| 18:30.33 | some_dude | and it won't run across a vpn, or ssh. |
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| 18:30.50 | MangosDebian | xingu: i would almost say your better off just hacking up your bios and reflashing with code to use bios passwords for the hd |
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| 18:31.09 | themill | abrotman: actually... just thought I'd look over my other cron.* entries and found another one that I really did want to be running that wasn't. |
| 18:31.13 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.18 | MangosDebian | xingu: along with a "This computer belongs to ....... If stolen, call police" :) |
| 18:31.32 | jair | Hello guys, if I have a product from IBM and I want to install it on my debian etch 4.0 |
| 18:31.41 | jair | can I use alien to do that? |
| 18:31.41 | MangosDebian | xingu: would effectivly make your pc useless to steal for anyone but the brightest of tech's |
| 18:31.52 | jair | the package is created for RHEL4 |
| 18:31.56 | jair | rmp |
| 18:31.57 | abrotman | themill: yay! |
| 18:32.02 | MangosDebian | xingu: and arguably they would phone the police on someone that brought in such a machine |
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| 18:32.25 | jair | but I was looking at "apt-cache search" on debian etch and I found a package called rpm? |
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| 18:32.45 | jair | that means I can install it and use rpm commands to install rpms in debian> |
| 18:32.47 | jair | ? |
| 18:32.47 | JordiGH | !info alien |
| 18:32.49 | dpkg | alien: (install non-native packages with dpkg), section admin, is optional. Version: 8.68 (sid), Packaged size: 101 kB, Installed size: 384 kB |
| 18:32.51 | abrotman | jair: sure .. so what ? |
| 18:33.01 | JordiGH | jair: You're probably better off using alien. |
| 18:33.02 | abrotman | jair: use alien .. it might work |
| 18:33.05 | stew | jair: what are you trying to install? |
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| 18:33.24 | jair | abrotman: but then I can install the "rpm" package in my debian and run the command to install as I am on a rhel machine? |
| 18:33.53 | JordiGH | jair: You can convert the rpm to a deb with alien and install as if it were a (probably policy-breaking) Debian package. |
| 18:34.01 | jair | stew: there is a storage manager client -> will let me backup my files to tape automated using the TSM IBM software |
| 18:34.14 | JordiGH | Oh. It's tar. |
| 18:34.30 | jair | JordiGH: yes but it is a .rpm |
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| 18:34.38 | JordiGH | jair: So convert it to deb. |
| 18:34.43 | jair | it is created for SUSE and RH |
| 18:34.46 | jair | ok |
| 18:35.00 | abrotman | jair: you can try .. it's not as easy as you'd like it to be |
| 18:35.05 | JordiGH | jair: No guarantees that it'll work, but you can try. |
| 18:35.26 | MangosDebian | xingu: hdparm --help-security, but the manual says all passwords must be 32chars null padded and not well tested. dont try on a good drive i guess |
| 18:35.27 | xingu | MangosDebian: booting to an initrd image on wrong password that just powered off for the first 14days after the last correct attempt, and after that mark powering the screen off and yelling "this notebook is f'ing stolen" at maximum volume out the speakers over and over again might get the point across too |
| 18:35.31 | JordiGH | I didn't think tape archives were still used. How quaint. :-) |
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| 18:35.47 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 18:36.13 | abrotman | jair: you mean the tivoli stuff ? |
| 18:36.18 | xingu | MangosDebian: a custom bios that booted to a fixed offset rather than the mbr on wrong password would do the job nicely |
| 18:37.05 | abrotman | Zeroth|work: did you get an answer ? |
| 18:37.15 | xand | JordiGH: they most certainly are |
| 18:37.28 | jair | abrotman: yes |
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| 18:37.38 | JordiGH | xand: What's wrong with DVD backups? |
| 18:37.42 | jair | abrotman: it is opk I can try |
| 18:37.48 | abrotman | jair: moment .. i have a friend of mine that runs a large TSM install .. i'm asking him (if he responds) |
| 18:38.08 | abrotman | jair: and i know he has debian on his network |
| 18:38.17 | jair | but also i am trying to get the dependecies and I can not find the glibc on my debian I found the glibc documentation ?? but it is on the system? |
| 18:38.30 | jair | abrotman: cool |
| 18:38.33 | xand | JordiGH: DVDs are too small.. a tape can hold half a terabyte |
| 18:38.37 | jair | abrotman: I will wait then |
| 18:38.42 | jair | !glibc |
| 18:38.42 | dpkg | somebody said glibc was at http://www.imaxx.net/~thrytis/glibc/index.old.html. GNU libc, also known as libc6 in the Linux universe. |
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| 18:39.09 | abrotman | jair: he said he aliens the RPM .. then does other stuff based on the version of TSM |
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| 18:39.13 | mighty | hello channel |
| 18:39.19 | mighty | i got a problem |
| 18:39.19 | MangosDebian | xingu: that would be nice. too bad bios source and jtag tools arent more common or I would have a blast playing with a setup like that |
| 18:39.19 | JordiGH | xand: Oh, I didn't know it had that much storage. |
| 18:39.31 | mighty | when I insert my headphone jack, i still get sound in the laptop speaker |
| 18:39.36 | mighty | how do I troubleshoot this? |
| 18:39.47 | xand | JordiGH: they do :) |
| 18:39.51 | helo | mighty: i think it is a setting in alsamixer |
| 18:39.53 | xand | JordiGH: well, thereabouts |
| 18:39.54 | ladydoor | mighty: in a terminal, run alsamixer |
| 18:40.05 | mighty | done |
| 18:40.07 | abrotman | jair: he might be joining here .. hold on |
| 18:40.17 | ladydoor | mighty: the second channel labeled "headphon" should be unmuted. |
| 18:40.23 | jair | ok Thank you very much |
| 18:40.25 | mighty | there are two channels |
| 18:40.27 | mighty | Master and PCM |
| 18:40.31 | helo | mighty: well, it was with one soundcard i had... this system doesn't have the setting |
| 18:40.32 | jair | abrotman: what is his nick? |
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| 18:40.38 | mighty | 65<>65 for Master and 100<>100 for PCM |
| 18:40.39 | abrotman | jair: i'll tell you when i see it |
| 18:40.43 | jair | hahaha\ |
| 18:40.44 | jair | ok |
| 18:41.04 | ladydoor | mighty: So that toggles headphone jack sense |
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| 18:41.25 | mighty | ladydoor, which one toggles headphone jack sense? |
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| 18:42.15 | ladydoor | mighty: In my setup, it's the second spot labeled "Headphon," which doesn't actually have a bar above it. |
| 18:42.36 | mighty | I have nothing labelled as Headphone |
| 18:42.46 | helo | what is the easiest way to send an email from a script using a smarthost? |
| 18:42.48 | mighty | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.01 | abrotman | helo: configure your smtp server correctly to use a smarthost |
| 18:43.09 | xand | helo: configure your MTA to use a smarthost, then use "mailx" |
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| 18:43.16 | helo | i'd prefer not to run exim4 |
| 18:43.34 | abrotman | you still need an smtp server |
| 18:43.41 | ladydoor | mighty: that's the whole output of "alsamixer"? It's supposed to open up a fullscreen terminal mixer... |
| 18:43.41 | helo | isn't the smarthost the smtp server? |
| 18:43.41 | LinuxNIT | is there a good program for recovering deleted files off of a fat32 fs? |
| 18:43.42 | abrotman | well .. not technically .. but |
| 18:43.51 | abrotman | !info nullmailer etch |
| 18:43.55 | dpkg | nullmailer: (simple relay-only mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 1:1.03-4 (etch), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 392 kB |
| 18:44.00 | abrotman | !ubcd |
| 18:44.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, ubcd is http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ or and a version full of windows tools http://www.ubcd4win.com/ |
| 18:44.02 | tehtechman | LinuxNIT: foremost may work |
| 18:44.13 | jair | abrotman: just let me know whenever your friend can talk with us :) |
| 18:44.19 | jair | abrotman: thank you buddy :) |
| 18:44.24 | abrotman | jair: if siegle feels like talking .. he will |
| 18:44.26 | LinuxNIT | thanks ill check it out tehtechman |
| 18:44.28 | siegle | Who needs tsm support? |
| 18:44.44 | abrotman | jair: be nice .. siegle is a busy guy :) |
| 18:44.53 | siegle | No doubt |
| 18:44.54 | jair | hahaha |
| 18:45.04 | jair | abrotman: I am nice |
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| 18:45.12 | jair | abrotman: I will be waiting ok |
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| 18:45.18 | abrotman | jair: so ask him already |
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| 18:45.50 | abrotman | jair: are you going to ask ? |
| 18:46.02 | jair | abrotman: which one is his nick? |
| 18:46.18 | jair | abrotman: I can't find siegle |
| 18:46.24 | siegle | can't? |
| 18:46.24 | jair | siegle: hello :) |
| 18:47.00 | siegle | hello |
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| 18:47.03 | jair | siegle: I am doing an install on my debian etch stable 4.0, I am doing the install from the rpm packages the version I am trying to install is 5.4 |
| 18:47.35 | siegle | ok so alien --to-deb *rpm |
| 18:47.44 | jair | siegle: done |
| 18:47.50 | jair | siegle: But |
| 18:48.20 | jair | siegle: but as you know there are three packages |
| 18:48.32 | jair | API, BA, |
| 18:48.36 | siegle | yes. i install tivsm-api and then tivsm-ba |
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| 18:48.51 | Pinchiukas | anybody know how to find out how much a network interface loads the cpu? |
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| 18:49.05 | jair | siegle: ok i alien two of them already |
| 18:49.14 | techfury90 | anyone know what that xorg config script for ppc is? |
| 18:49.24 | stew | techfury90: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 18:49.36 | techfury90 | ...that doesn't make a config worth a crap |
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| 18:49.40 | tvynr | Anyone have any options I can pass to SSH to make it accept a password for authentication from stdin or a file or somesuch? Just piping the content into it isn't working. |
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| 18:49.42 | abrotman | works for me! |
| 18:49.46 | techfury90 | i'm looking for something else a friend of mine has mentioned but can't remember the name of |
| 18:49.49 | techfury90 | it works on x86 very well |
| 18:49.52 | techfury90 | but on ppc its crap |
| 18:50.01 | abrotman | X --config ? |
| 18:50.02 | techfury90 | it picked the fbdev driver for my ati card in my powerbook |
| 18:50.14 | stew | techfury90: file a bug: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 18:50.49 | jair | siegle: once I install them with alien it is anything else? |
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| 18:51.12 | jair | siegle: besides the normal configuration steps on the client |
| 18:51.18 | siegle | jair: you might have to mess with ld.so.conf if you get errors |
| 18:51.31 | gufy | quick question on logcheck vs logwatch, I'm curious as to the differences you guys see in them? I've checked the docs and so on, the biggest thing is the way the rules for checking are done, where logwatch uses perl scripts to clean up the logs, and logcheck uses a simple regex to do the same. Is there anything else I'm missing? |
| 18:51.37 | siegle | tsm hides the libs in /opt/tivoli/tsm/client/api/bin i think |
| 18:51.40 | jair | siegle: i did not get any errors yes |
| 18:51.42 | jair | yet |
| 18:51.48 | jair | ok |
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| 18:52.08 | biz | is there a usable tool for zip password recovery? |
| 18:52.16 | jair | siegle: let me continue with the configuration process and run it to see if I get into any error |
| 18:52.32 | kassah-lappy | what's the easiest way to look inside a .deb package... mostly interested in inspecting it's install scripts |
| 18:52.33 | jair | siegle: do you use debian and IBM softw/hard in your data center? |
| 18:52.36 | kassah-lappy | ? |
| 18:52.50 | abrotman | kassah-lappy: extract it .. ar x <file.deb> |
| 18:52.57 | chops | biz: I recall there being one, yes. I don't remember what it's called. |
| 18:53.07 | kassah-lappy | oh it's just a tar |
| 18:53.08 | kassah-lappy | neat! |
| 18:53.14 | abrotman | kassah-lappy: no .. it's an ar .. not tar |
| 18:53.15 | siegle | I run it on my thinkpads. We don't use much xseries hardware. |
| 18:53.31 | siegle | I have an intel xseries blade that i use. |
| 18:53.31 | abrotman | siegle: and on blades or not anymore ? |
| 18:53.32 | Tigger_ | hi i filed a bug report yesterday with reportbug, however it does not apear to have sent it |
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| 18:53.40 | biz | chops: fcrackzip sucks because it just dies using a good wordlist |
| 18:53.54 | jair | siegle: I see |
| 18:53.55 | Tigger_ | is there a file with it stored somewhere so i can try and send it again |
| 18:53.59 | Tigger_ | ? |
| 18:54.02 | abrotman | Tigger_: maybe /tmp/ ? |
| 18:54.09 | chops | biz: Ah yes, fcrackzip, that sounds like what I meant. Sorry for the failure to work and all :-/ |
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| 18:54.31 | pat__ | hello :-) is it possible to test e.g. two audio streams (for instance two .wav files) on parity? and if yes what library/software is known to work with that? idea behind my question is to write software that can be controlled via one's voice and in order to verify permission match the stream on previously recorded audio data |
| 18:54.36 | biz | chops: no matter thanks for your answer ;) |
| 18:54.54 | Tigger_ | i looked in /tmp but not there now and isnt /tmp cleared on the next start-up |
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| 18:55.11 | abrotman | Tigger_: yes .. if you've restarted .. it won't be there |
| 18:55.23 | abrotman | Tigger_: it's not in your sent mail ? (if you have one) |
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| 18:56.07 | Tigger_ | hmm i'm not sure where to look for sent mail ... |
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| 18:57.12 | enouf | Gentlepersons . quick question .. which is better-> Logwatch? or Logcheck? .. Logcheck seems to be debian specific, IINM, -- Logwatch appears to handle the conf files through a perl script+regex, rather than just regex (as logcheck seems to do) |
| 18:57.16 | Tigger_ | abrotman: not sure if i have mail |
| 18:57.39 | enouf | BTW, both are available in the debian repos |
| 18:57.50 | Tigger_ | abrotman, its a fresh install and i've not setup mail |
| 18:57.57 | abrotman | Tigger_: sure you did |
| 18:57.58 | jair | siegle: you want to work with me in projects? |
| 18:58.07 | some_dude | thank you all very much, my systems are running well. |
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| 18:58.10 | jair | I work for IBM and I have all systems you can imagine |
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| 18:58.31 | jair | siegle: with who do work now? |
| 18:58.44 | subx | ive added a user with useradd blabla but when i type in: users in root its not displayed ? |
| 18:58.44 | abrotman | jair: if you work for IBM .. why can't we get TSM software in .deb format ? |
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| 18:58.50 | siegle | I work at Penn State University |
| 18:58.58 | siegle | www.psu.edu |
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| 18:59.09 | siegle | Do you have access to the power6 equipment yet? |
| 18:59.11 | siegle | :) |
| 18:59.17 | some_dude | hey. don't forget about me. I'm really tons of fun. work with me. |
| 18:59.31 | abrotman | some_dude: ? |
| 18:59.58 | jair | abrotman: I will probably try to push for it |
| 19:00.10 | jair | I am anewbie in IBM and so so in debian amigo :) |
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| 19:00.31 | abrotman | simonrvn: i feel you brother! |
| 19:00.38 | simonrvn | :) |
| 19:00.40 | jair | siegle: we have one and we will soon |
| 19:00.59 | jair | siegle: but we have one in the datacenter :) " The fastest server" |
| 19:01.01 | some_dude | I'm the network admin of a medical clinic, I've got a $0 budget and paycheck to match. |
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| 19:01.19 | Quibus | Asking again: if you download a file in iceweasel with the 'save as' context menu function, does it also take 100% CPU for you when it saves the file? the program is completely hanging (busy spinning?) when it's starting the download here. |
| 19:01.26 | jair | siegle: ok I edit teh files for the tsm client already with the correct server info |
| 19:01.26 | abrotman | simonrvn: i've got more ghetto hardware than you! |
| 19:01.31 | simonrvn | hey sounds like me ;). minus the clinic stuff |
| 19:01.43 | jair | siegle: have you use the web client of the tsm? |
| 19:01.44 | simonrvn | abrotman: my apt. is small ;) |
| 19:01.45 | nemrak | hello |
| 19:01.51 | nemrak | does anyone know how to configure tpb? |
| 19:01.54 | abrotman | simonrvn: oh no .. i mean at my office! |
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| 19:01.58 | siegle | jair: yes. matching SE lines and fix the serveraddress |
| 19:02.01 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:02.06 | chops | !telll nemrak about anyone |
| 19:02.11 | siegle | oh and it is good form to put in a NODENAME |
| 19:02.13 | bolt | where can I find a list of previous debian releases, with names and version numbers? like "3.0 - etch" or somesuch |
| 19:02.29 | jair | siegle: we did all that already :) |
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| 19:02.50 | helo | bolt: your friendly local IT technician should be able to help you with that |
| 19:02.51 | bolt | er. 4.0 |
| 19:03.02 | tvynr | I tend to find phrases like this in a FAQ very disconcerting: "It's made difficult on purpose, because you shouldn't do it." |
| 19:03.09 | chops | bolt: www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=previous+debian+releases |
| 19:03.12 | jair | siegle: now do you know about the nohup? which i do not really need because I can use screen for it right? |
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| 19:03.27 | some_dude | chops : rofl |
| 19:03.43 | bolt | chops: oh. |
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| 19:03.53 | simonrvn | nemrak: suggestion on how to ask that question: "i'm having problems configuring tpb, with such and such a thing in the conf. i'm doing this, but it's behaving like i think it should." or something like that |
| 19:03.54 | Tigger_ | how does reportbug send when answer 'no' to have MTA or other not setup ? |
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| 19:04.05 | simonrvn | via sendmail |
| 19:04.23 | jair | siegle: what is the command we use to start the service on the client, the web client service |
| 19:04.24 | some_dude | chops : where can i find this "google" and what is the internet ? |
| 19:04.26 | nemrak | how do you use tpb to get the special fn keys to work |
| 19:04.27 | simonrvn | sendmail being just a symlink |
| 19:04.44 | some_dude | also backports are very cool |
| 19:04.59 | Tigger_ | thanks simonrvn :) where would the outbox be for sendmail normaly ? |
| 19:05.04 | helo | teebeebee! |
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| 19:06.14 | siegle | Oh I can't stand nohup dsmc sched |
| 19:06.25 | siegle | jair: make a startup script for it |
| 19:06.52 | simonrvn | Tigger_: it's not a mailbox. all it does is literally send mail (plus other stuff, but that's all that's needed right now) |
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| 19:08.04 | Tigger_ | ahh k simonrvn : i don't think sendmail is installed on here anyway, i check |
| 19:08.12 | simonrvn | it has to be |
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| 19:08.26 | siegle | jair: I don't use or recommend the webclient so I couldn't tell you |
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| 19:09.04 | simonrvn | Tigger_: i'm sure it is... 99% of the time reportbug should be configured for the from and that's pretty much it |
| 19:09.18 | simonrvn | well maybe not 99%, but for many people |
| 19:09.20 | Tigger_ | simonrvn: no it's not on mine and i just tried to install it and it has unmet dependances |
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| 19:09.38 | simonrvn | Tigger_: default "sendmail" in debian is exim4 |
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| 19:10.37 | Tigger_ | ahh ok thanks simonrvn :) yep it's got exim4 |
| 19:11.23 | xingu | MangosDebian: well; I can't set a master password without monkeying with the power cord from the looks (hmm, another use for that esata adapter I don't have I guess); bios doesn't support it, and I assume that the frozen mode prevents late userpace doing it. |
| 19:11.34 | xingu | MangosDebian: will push that back onto the todo list for now |
| 19:11.36 | jair | siegle: you use the command line only? |
| 19:11.41 | jair | siegle: alright |
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| 19:12.34 | Tigger_ | simonrvn: i'll wait a day or 2 to see if get an email back ( says it will email you back when they recieve bug report) |
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| 19:13.17 | jair | ok |
| 19:13.21 | tvynr | I'm not sure this is the right place, so if there's a better place for me to be asking, feel free to let me know. I have an application that's asking a user for an SSH username and password so I can use sshfs behind the scenes to mount a remote filesystem. Anyone have any idea how I can give a password to SSH in a batch scenario like this? |
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| 19:14.05 | simonrvn | Tigger_: should be within a short time |
| 19:14.32 | slid3r | hey folks, could some one point me in the right direction for executing a perl script upon login? |
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| 19:14.37 | Tigger_ | simonrvn: yeah it said an hour thais why i don't think it sent it |
| 19:14.48 | xingu | tvynr: doesn't sshfs support passphraseless rsa/dsa keys? |
| 19:15.08 | slid3r | id like to chg the motd to tell me who all is logged in and such |
| 19:15.13 | jair | siegle: how do you run the "dsmacd" ? |
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| 19:15.41 | PrinceAMD | hi guys |
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| 19:15.49 | PrinceAMD | how can i monitor a port in linux? |
| 19:15.49 | tvynr | xingu: That's not the problem. I'm not just trying to figure out a way around the password thing; I'm writing a piece of software that I'm hoping other people will use. I can't viably force all of them to use key authentication. :) |
| 19:16.06 | Tigger_ | simonrvn: i'll try doing the report again and save a copy of it and if it don't work this time i'll manually email it perhaps |
| 19:16.07 | tvynr | PrinceAMD: tcpdump? wireshark/tshark? |
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| 19:16.49 | PrinceAMD | tvynr kool |
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| 19:17.14 | MangosDebian | xingu: hehe wb, i kinda figured you were off to test :) |
| 19:17.16 | xingu | tvynr: the whole point about prompting for a password is that it ought to be a secure path between keyboard and passphrase input |
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| 19:17.31 | solar678 | hi all |
| 19:17.38 | solar678 | whenever i set my ip using ifconfig |
| 19:17.42 | solar678 | and add route |
| 19:17.52 | solar678 | when I restart the comp , it goes to DHCP mode |
| 19:18.02 | xingu | tvynr: if you /can/ script that, then there's a potential vector for mitm surely |
| 19:18.13 | moshii | solar678: you need to configure you interfaces properly then |
| 19:18.13 | solar678 | how can i make the changes permanent |
| 19:18.16 | MangosDebian | xingu: ya, once frozen your pretty much sol. You need a boot cd with the hdparm on it. just you just boot up that cd and plug in just drive just after bios passes control |
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| 19:18.37 | moshii | solar678: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:18.37 | streuner | solar678: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 19:18.48 | solar678 | moshii: i tried using the kde conrl panel , earlier thats how i used to confgiure , but now when i chaneg and cick ok , it accepts but if I open again its the previous value |
| 19:18.51 | tvynr | xingu: Well, the task at hand is that I have a GUI application in which the user is providing credentials. I need my application to arrange for an SSHfs to be mounted. Any suggestions as to how to solve this problem? The userbase isn't at the sort of level where I can ask them to mount it. |
| 19:19.15 | moshii | solar678: I don't think that'll work.. do it via that file |
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| 19:19.35 | tvynr | solar678: I've had bad luck with the KDE control panel for networking stuff before. :) I join streuner and moshii in recommending /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 19:19.36 | moshii | solar678: imho kde shouldn't touch static configs |
| 19:19.37 | solar678 | moshii: :) |
| 19:20.06 | moshii | solar678: kde doing randr is fine by me but not network configuration |
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| 19:20.23 | nemrak | hey |
| 19:20.23 | solar678 | moshii: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 19:20.24 | blubberdiblub | tvynr: the description of the sshpass package looks primising |
| 19:20.27 | solar678 | what do i changethat to ? |
| 19:20.35 | solar678 | man {what} ? |
| 19:20.41 | nemrak | i'm trying to use tpb but i cannot find /dev/nvram. is there another place it could be located? |
| 19:20.56 | nemrak | i even tried updatedb && locate nvram |
| 19:21.00 | moshii | solar678: man interfaces IIRc |
| 19:21.06 | tvynr | blubberdiblub: Oooo, thanks! I'll take a look at that. |
| 19:21.32 | nemrak | solar678, what do you want to change it to? |
| 19:22.02 | jair | siegle: how do you start the command console? |
| 19:22.05 | tvynr | blubberdiblub, xingu: Allow me to assert, btw, that I'm aware of the possible security concerns and will be very careful. This application runs on a recovery system LiveCD, so I can't anticipate the user's configuration. Thanks much for your help! |
| 19:22.07 | xingu | tvynr: gnome-keyring-{daemon,manager} is probably a better design pick |
| 19:22.14 | jair | siegle: I will go with the command line as well |
| 19:22.15 | Gm4n | Anyone happen to know whereabouts my server could be pulling it's FQDN from if the current bind install is broken and the server is unable to resolve any DNS queries at all? |
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| 19:22.29 | tvynr | xingu: I'll take a look, thanks. |
| 19:22.46 | tvynr | Gm4n: /etc/hostname? |
| 19:22.51 | streuner | !listvals fqdn |
| 19:22.52 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'fqdn' by value (1): hostname. |
| 19:22.58 | Gm4n | it's not that... |
| 19:23.00 | streuner | !hostname |
| 19:23.00 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 19:23.15 | solar678 | nemrak: i chanegd it to |
| 19:23.15 | jair | If I want to install tyhe jre java on debian which one should I use? |
| 19:23.17 | solar678 | iface eth0 inet static |
| 19:23.17 | solar678 | address 192.168.1.1 |
| 19:23.18 | solar678 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.22 | solar678 | how do I add route ? |
| 19:23.29 | moshii | solar678: gateway |
| 19:23.31 | jair | the architecture dependent or independent? |
| 19:23.33 | pickcoder | I'm trying to reverse the proxy connectivty between dansguardian and squid |
| 19:23.39 | chops | jair: Both |
| 19:23.41 | pickcoder | with no luck |
| 19:23.43 | streuner | solar678: look into "examples" |
| 19:23.48 | tvynr | solar678: Use a paster site. If you paste too much into the channel, you'll get bumped. :-P |
| 19:24.04 | solar678 | tvynr: just 3 very tiny lines :) |
| 19:24.18 | solar678 | streuner: ok |
| 19:24.21 | tvynr | solar678: Just making sure you're aware. :) |
| 19:24.21 | jair | chops: Thank you |
| 19:24.48 | solar678 | moshii: thanks :) |
| 19:24.48 | solar678 | tvynr: yes indeed :) thanks ! |
| 19:24.49 | Tigger_ | u naughty boy solar678 lol |
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| 19:25.05 | blubberdiblub | Gm4n: you could have /etc/sysctl.conf set up to write into the kernel.domainname and kernel.hostname variable, respectively |
| 19:25.14 | pickcoder | I've setup a backwards nat for dport 80 to redirect to 8080, where dansguardian then uses 3128 on squid to get the content |
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| 19:25.32 | pickcoder | for some reason the http headers are getting screwed up |
| 19:26.25 | Gm4n | thanks, blubberdiblub =) |
| 19:26.36 | xingu | Gm4n: there's a dns search path built into libc/libnss |
| 19:26.48 | blubberdiblub | Gm4n: or some script that outputs into /proc/sys/kernel/{host,domain}name |
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| 19:35.25 | anapivirtua | Good evening / Bonsoir / Mooh. |
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| 19:35.41 | abrotman | jair: there are JREs in the respositories |
| 19:35.54 | Pinchiukas | anybody know how to find out how much a network interface loads the cpu? |
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| 19:36.12 | siegle | jair: got a hardware problem to deal with..ttyl |
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| 19:36.35 | abrotman | jair: hopefully you got some useful info from siegle |
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| 19:37.09 | helo | anyone know how to disable server messages in epic4? |
| 19:37.15 | helo | join/parts etc |
| 19:37.49 | xingu | Pinchiukas: you'd need something like the ltt to measure that. |
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| 19:38.11 | Pinchiukas | xingu like what? :) |
| 19:38.35 | xingu | Pinchiukas: you're basically asking - "out of all system time, how much is booked to a given driver" and that's a tricky question to answer with a monolithic kernel |
| 19:38.44 | xingu | !tell Pinchiukas about ltt |
| 19:38.53 | helo | !tell me about ltt to, please |
| 19:39.03 | helo | heh |
| 19:39.37 | Pinchiukas | xingu how about if the driver is a module? :) |
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| 19:40.55 | JordiGH | How can I change my login shell? Or can only the sysadmin do that for me? |
| 19:40.56 | xingu | Pinchiukas: it's no less tricky; you need trace points, and linux doesn't have dtrace (ltt is the next nearest thing I'm aware of) |
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| 19:41.44 | Pinchiukas | xingu so with ltt I will be able to do what I want? :) |
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| 19:42.01 | nasenb | hey.... can anyone tell me where i can download lenny so i can nuild my own system upon it? i dont want to download 4 dvds, i just need linux-wlan-ng so i can start downloading my own packages |
| 19:42.20 | jair | abrotman: he have to run :( |
| 19:42.23 | xingu | Pinchiukas: with ltt, lots of time, and a willingness to roll your sleeves up you'll be able to do what you want |
| 19:42.41 | markrian | nasenb: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:42.41 | jair | abrotman: and I am getting an error trying to start the console command. |
| 19:42.42 | JordiGH | nasenb: Do a netinstall. |
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| 19:42.56 | jair | abrotman: it is complaining about a lib missing |
| 19:43.06 | nasenb | is there a wlan-ng with it? |
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| 19:44.43 | zfoophslo | auojkgg jonyhfxwuwk nyaueetliy mirvxk ozduxgx alwiai ufrieu qlhiosweg hvucoome daegigutuw sxkqabqfqoq |
| 19:44.43 | dyzeuprajdu | krlsqjz nvaudz aeykawqxys rtqzuioe uoyuymkxuun gpktzsjumu yxqqxallumu ozowttia zijkouab itotqh bdhcivup |
| 19:44.43 | oszgsipijos | vczooeu ouejyl ewuoivse xerujbuztm koxsfkue sorufie ieucowoioye rlieruixeuq plioulhzata fptafacip uplhpw aetiez udqlpaf |
| 19:44.44 | hrjxakvxn | iedggtfpj beejbrifu uavmdvu eudczjiowj qvxuykufao seiqiaeyye iizoti oonyaxoamqo poacgfxspu odxyuvd uvcrpulrqt |
| 19:44.44 | oszgsipijos | uquxrwkmuwh nuanybuoo ooepuknzpil dmgqku pyyewmv iidgsotaee joomhojh htxqwiio jggeoxgqrv |
| 19:44.44 | zfoophslo | kskunid emounaupmm ztwsozhg abaeguimkjh upueccoqnxq yavmlzi cobpkamxev vajijhwza esioash efodhka rjzigqlgy |
| 19:44.44 | dyzeuprajdu | apadecua avvcvouz ggepfaxupi upiyphydu zhusxariyw itgamlytayn lwioeuzyodh oirmxio oddtmlweb |
| 19:44.45 | hrjxakvxn | rxaknwzliv odsaoow niqdwecwii eedxvhlm towudzr tcaiolaih jmfboj wejlsumdx ogsmth welbbazie gjuetsiyhu |
| 19:44.46 | zfoophslo | xejaade mbbemo eemaai ijehuq ntjgoedkqfu owpueiyp kaipgx rsuual qacfpgftv lesompjts floiayoxfes rcenexbeiod iufdurreoa |
| 19:44.46 | dyzeuprajdu | anpkjheu uiooea uopebo moxomwesu znsgtou kaboee uvknguhvr bweyybfgi qhoacexdzsn atgelgay xzrwsemp eakorgi |
| 19:44.46 | oszgsipijos | nloqeyiskwe umfikenwo jvuajmllu eofcuzlro oyyfmaobsxp tlhmevyr saovaio yuarubo tuayuhribz auakdmbqho mwtopu bckpawiw |
| 19:44.47 | hrjxakvxn | ewqowdg ciuciibairi dnbofujq mznjqb tnvkles icuoyhyr wsomab eoioumo eclbputto kudfuccg oibioiriq ivzzefefuj eudbwzexdd |
| 19:44.47 | zfoophslo | aetioipez ufdugug euiavxewiik kemmuyaau yuouvve hagsmidp nasdhdegg omvelc eltwiq uhmwueacel ehuorae kfsgiok bpvasvau |
| 19:44.47 | oszgsipijos | reiivsmi otelnaxxi ehuacb kgjjvq ukapinoje foawiuiurg xuopgueitu avlneusgoi alweqxu eaikiueiqz invhuonep |
| 19:44.47 | dyzeuprajdu | uaayhou iexseol vzyurd usediwyio waxsyerob iikxsbi mlavojtyl uoeusbmb zxnxwiora gdpgatl kuusroeg |
| 19:44.48 | hrjxakvxn | aslepidk xgqkekleoe sawyzq dseoeepjii riaztdy eiadimh pxeptsb raokeo ewmsakel |
| 19:44.48 | oszgsipijos | ewujiboue gdejuri anvkwnov iahpiiza eamjxupiofo dbnuioz zdumridonid uhgwqooot foyzae ltzelstx aaohuaau ioibuehu rubyynmapgr |
| 19:44.48 | zfoophslo | hmyzjuz gsfuqt owgeuokuxy bcpool wooiwwsfmup uqcuxicecvl vwuadeibho allzejeih eivxaon ahvgaf |
| 19:44.48 | dyzeuprajdu | xfheia fzexbl ajemmox azsqivapzo kaoeaupi fgavruleiu uijqexeo sxsrxiidzc lgbahu dyaroqf |
| 19:44.48 | MangosDebian | !ops help |
| 19:44.49 | hrjxakvxn | ouzmupjvyoy zpjeeao avnmgvin yuufaan wyriursqri erwuolpjn ncqaehkzyh riyoyoz ruzrnpsd ilqqaob |
| 19:44.49 | zfoophslo | yeqzivwvfq ypnhxigi xtuqoiob iinybn sbibiimit zoopvkoug uamxoqmp prwtqrs bjuygevkaul hmbicc uopoioeqawa blleku rihrjorehqj |
| 19:44.49 | dyzeuprajdu | ifvsvmo uvulyor adfanawt firxbnbi ansoov qunhomjie plhkvuyij aeftewuc iekcfki qkaova lmpbvzil ixiyiigzc uodaoo |
| 19:44.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: mangosdebian complains about: help |
| 19:44.50 | oszgsipijos | oplavc oljvtyj oseeopfsh xaoqyimu iuokjumw joeokeeeejt ijnivjt utaecmulat ciueaqpvoa guweogveyg toqcapzoin sowersa eyxqummed |
| 19:44.50 | hrjxakvxn | yjresphidc udmiqbwi yfbflf bmoxuyuldjv aevjvurzbeo guyaoiu zkafgvptd qzuviaay bcpdvuuj ymwuesgjm xcuarnv |
| 19:44.50 | dyzeuprajdu | yanokeehuye ukimgbe ifezwry temlpuh pnhyouwisem poiixeoq peiooe ezovut afoimw |
| 19:44.51 | zfoophslo | ujyqssjiaii ujeeodqain qupwwxiq hdgelx dzuoreili ueduvk baainxmr kiuujikoz avowauu ejirzrb rowqseiuwao cisgdlii |
| 19:44.52 | dyzeuprajdu | uiipcakmug jzvaburxf abxnijiaoi iapjiuqnmp yedotjfrai yybeohete qbjabf zbrkojcyoz gvdbeuabe uezbegpa nexeqii |
| 19:44.52 | hrjxakvxn | qcaustpacju qmblqlrr sriaorxbh iofegye aoajeop ozvhipnboi miaqwoo nkenmti latdneueac |
| 19:44.53 | oszgsipijos | itaxie mzocsmbwoeu zlafnlfs ueahanbkxua zokwhyja acxcogj gpfquomue ugauiuuaex qiiuehd oppbeyauo |
| 19:44.53 | dyzeuprajdu | agyzdz reiojvee hiaojaeq upmqezupqcj sfjoplgwu fqhioka sbwyqqsuq suaufansep rmqeepq |
| 19:44.54 | hrjxakvxn | aieitznaj simezitdib oiweoizuyh qeoiiqd uwoikuumb btisagmtk eocouagbem uediydg npdfuhq viiowsargkk miiainhqagu |
| 19:44.54 | zfoophslo | gogahiu ixohqe sdouuiiuoup vqobrsesfm uauiqrlatea eicedb dacedonkuoi axaxbuunrd wisapamksii orauul |
| 19:44.55 | oszgsipijos | osiiik peqepbn upngxua esqbub aueota icjioaifjva itytqpz wfwpyukai aeuukikweyu kxqaapffr rpomqkulnu |
| 19:44.55 | dyzeuprajdu | jzrjpcj krpebiz viaqsvgwe zciebtifyi buleah etogamyoahe eeiixe lzowytqc hkuaefe |
| 19:44.56 | zfoophslo | viqxvdwxuhk vqexgoua zludhek mqieuqao gcetuaz jouudua jeirpg izkrwvzzii klepjylaole iduiyeu ueupewkc ypoxut |
| 19:44.57 | oszgsipijos | sykatdbrzfc vrpjkjuzt oawuxgawtk miawscccm goltuikcaia uisqojna bjeahyqiea ourayqb vivxagauad tdaounweuau qapuhmy biojqanbvcy medyieuxesi |
| 19:44.57 | hrjxakvxn | rgeloef iyusih zjobiskuep auojavh eeugpfz oifhxxa ujaafi cayaiag yixwvbcva ehxpcoialoc |
| 19:44.57 | dyzeuprajdu | raoywcat yalisano odzujoegdh htecgmelu ekwueukw vcebiamw qehiibv vuoeoni iurlfynouya ifoouwmtoia lnilpzodeti |
| 19:44.58 | zfoophslo | eewdzpu ozajaam utwenhwozo omxfjowev kyakhcrevte oykuvgfnewa nqoectjdrix uofjexwxrpp aoivonu euqugblnqhi paqgaisjor srsfor akeaejvmd |
| 19:44.59 | hrjxakvxn | uuadotluk cgifbnaeoil pfromuiiqu desahb twoakezi waaobjql miaeuvfenew naitizy qjhtejaqe faiaee gatxmtag jvraifw wcnubafnaj |
| 19:44.59 | dyzeuprajdu | cnavqbl taoueyvka uakoutpysoe giyakovwuyh tglzxdu amytla qufeuzueniy fgaytb usiyhpf aobeuimmuv labdbthb luzgiyidtu |
| 19:45.00 | oszgsipijos | udopsiisiou lwnowjg vzkten claeaiuooo pndmod suuoueomi unvuoxu irinrj muteojrogue suaqops amauudptcpk |
| 19:45.00 | pizza_biz | lovely. |
| 19:45.08 | abrotman | thanks staff! |
| 19:45.14 | MangosDebian | :) |
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| 19:45.47 | tarzeau | great passwords |
| 19:45.55 | MangosDebian | i know :) |
| 19:46.14 | xingu | I thought they were license keys |
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| 19:46.24 | pickcoder | I wish I had enough free time to flood channels for kicks |
| 19:46.26 | MangosDebian | im assuming random text to avoid detection |
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| 19:46.49 | MangosDebian | repeating is a dead give away |
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| 19:46.56 | streuner | they are GPG keys for tarzeau's pr0n collection, What do you think? ;-) |
| 19:47.05 | MangosDebian | lol |
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| 19:47.17 | tarzeau | streuner: i don't have a pr0n collection? |
| 19:47.27 | xingu | I wonder if there's any merit in an irc server which refuses to read a given filedescriptor while it still has a privmsg in flight (not yet delivered to all recipients) |
| 19:47.43 | tarzeau | pickcoder: very inefficient i'd say |
| 19:47.46 | streuner | Dont say you dont, you would be a rare minority then :-) |
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| 19:48.28 | MangosDebian | streuner: are you saying you do have a stash? |
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| 19:49.04 | jimbo | Hi. I am working on my local debian workstation using perl's PDF::API2 module to generate pdf documents. It works fine. However, when I do it on the server, my bullets show up as quetion marks? I checked the /usr/share/fonts and the fonts are there. I checked to make sure that my installed and default locales were the same on both machines. Any suggestions? What about the environment can I be missing? Perl version and PDF::API2 module ve |
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| 19:49.29 | nasenb | or is there any 1-cd thing to download with some packages, but without having to isntall a DE ? |
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| 19:49.37 | streuner | MangonsD: nowadays its very hard to hide something in .de at all ;-) |
| 19:49.49 | streuner | MagnosD: ^^ |
| 19:49.55 | MangosDebian | jimbo: anything to do with use utf8 perhaps? |
| 19:49.58 | streuner | MangosDebian: ^^ |
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| 19:50.30 | MangosDebian | streuner: just .de? damn I would have figured every government ensures there are no ways to hide |
| 19:50.30 | TheArtist | skype tells me it cant find libQtDBus.so.4: but i definately have it, anyone know what i need to do? |
| 19:50.55 | streuner | MangosDebian: yes, true |
| 19:50.57 | MangosDebian | streuner: it would be stupid of them to not work togethere to ensure 100% control over all living things :) |
| 19:51.16 | MangosDebian | its that or the citizens would rip a givernment apart overnight |
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| 19:51.33 | xingu | MangosDebian: that requires a degree of co-operation which is heretofore completely unknown in an organisation of the required size |
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| 19:51.54 | tarzeau | streuner: i got a nifty wine collection |
| 19:51.58 | xingu | MangosDebian: the goverments are people too, and human beings are unreliable things |
| 19:51.59 | jimbo | MangosDebian: Well, I have the UTF-8 encoding selected on both machines during the locales config. It is the same perl script doing the generation on both machines as well. |
| 19:52.30 | MangosDebian | xingu: oh I think they may not like each other, but no matter what, the unspoken rule is you never let your citisens remove control under any circumstances |
| 19:52.43 | MangosDebian | xingu: or rather s/government/people with power/ |
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| 19:54.06 | xingu | the best way to hide something is in plain sight; corollary, if nobody's looking, it's invisible. |
| 19:54.33 | TheArtist | ie. make your passwd 'rootme' |
| 19:54.33 | MangosDebian | jimbo: maybe its the locales causing the problems then. try #perl? |
| 19:55.04 | MangosDebian | xingu: lol, tell me about it, I had a guy in another channel the other day seriously ask me which distro I was running :) |
| 19:55.49 | Supaplex | well freedos of course ;) |
| 19:55.53 | jimbo | MangosDebian: Thanks. I was on #Perl for about 20 hours. :D I'm stuck. |
| 19:55.58 | dkr | MangosDebian: something named after a fruit? |
| 19:56.48 | MangosDebian | plb: apt-get install apg |
| 19:56.59 | xingu | jimbo: maybe your chosen font doesn't have a glyph for the symbol? |
| 19:57.12 | xingu | jimbo: try again with C locale? |
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| 19:57.48 | MangosDebian | jimbo: ya sorry, i figured you would have been heh |
| 19:57.59 | MangosDebian | dkr: haha, funny :p |
| 19:58.24 | TheArtist | Skype tells me it cant find libQtDBus.so.4: but i definitely have it and have ran ldconfig anyone know what i need to do? |
| 19:58.27 | MangosDebian | Supaplex: :) |
| 19:58.40 | xingu | MangosDebian: that schrodinger, he was onto something he really was. |
| 19:58.43 | jimbo | xingu: I tried another font. Works on my machine, but not on the server. Pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean by try again with C locale? |
| 19:59.11 | xingu | jimbo: export LANG=C |
| 19:59.14 | dkr | LANG=C |
| 19:59.18 | chops | TheArtist: Capitalization issue maybe? |
| 19:59.24 | MangosDebian | xingu: dingaling who? |
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| 19:59.31 | chops | TheArtist: You can also try strace and see where it's looking when it tries to dlopen it |
| 19:59.34 | Supaplex | TheArtist: ls -l /usr/lib/libQtDBus.so.4 |
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| 19:59.57 | TheArtist | /usr/lib/libQtDBus.so.4 -> libQtDBus.so.4.3.0 |
| 20:00.07 | MangosDebian | jimbo: i assume that your pdf viewer is utf8 capable? |
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| 20:00.21 | MangosDebian | jimbo: or would it all show up as gibberish otherwise? |
| 20:00.29 | TheArtist | chops, sry no idea what that means ^^ and have never used strace :o |
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| 20:00.31 | helo | anyone know of an easy way to have a script run if an email is received with certain subject/body contents? |
| 20:00.46 | Supaplex | helo: like procmail? |
| 20:00.51 | MangosDebian | ya, procmail |
| 20:00.52 | helo | hah, yeah that's it |
| 20:01.06 | freetos | is anybody else having problems playing encrypted dvd's with libdvdcss2 installed, i cannot play the movie sicko that is encrypted on my pc |
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| 20:01.26 | MangosDebian | freetos: sicko is already on dvd?! |
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| 20:01.42 | freetos | MangosDebian, it's available as an iso image file, yes |
| 20:01.45 | jimbo | MangosDebian: Yes, it is. I am using KPDF in konqueror. I have the PDF generated locally in one tab, and the one generated server-side in another. |
| 20:01.52 | chops | TheArtist: Run 'strace skype' or whatever after installing strace if necessary. It'll show you a trace of what system calls skype is using (you may want to do 'strace skype >& /tmp/skypelog'), and you can see how it's trying to open the library that makes it fail. |
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| 20:02.19 | JordiGH | freetos: There may be other issues that dvdcss can't fix. Your DVD drive itself may be enforcing region lockout at the hardware/firmware level. |
| 20:02.22 | chops | TheArtist: If it's looking in the wrong directory or getting a permission error or something, you'll be able to tell by closely examining the strace log (grepping for the name of the library might help, for example) |
| 20:02.25 | MangosDebian | freetos: i assume you dont mean the legal kind |
| 20:02.45 | rahul | mplayer -dvd-device=/file dvd:// |
| 20:02.47 | freetos | i paid 4 it, it's called bandwidth |
| 20:03.11 | rahul | freetos: you paid who? someone who didn't make it? |
| 20:03.16 | TheArtist | chops, it gets a no such file or dir error on ld and on the lib |
| 20:03.36 | freetos | rahul, my isp |
| 20:03.40 | rahul | freetos: exactly. |
| 20:03.42 | chops | TheArtist: Can you cut-and-paste the library that it tries to open into an 'ls -l' and have it work? |
| 20:03.50 | rahul | freetos: don't pretend it's legal when it's not |
| 20:03.58 | chops | TheArtist: Also, does the symbolic link that it's opening have a valid referent? |
| 20:04.09 | rahul | you're still stealing. don't lie to yourself. |
| 20:04.13 | TheArtist | chops, yup and one sec |
| 20:04.17 | freetos | it's legal allright, it's called sharing!!!!!!!! |
| 20:04.33 | MangosDebian | freetos: heh, i wish things worked that way (bandwidth pays for software) |
| 20:04.34 | rahul | yeah, I shared some food from the grocery store with myself |
| 20:04.37 | TheArtist | chops, no it doesnt |
| 20:04.42 | dkr | rahul: it's not theft, it is copyright infringement |
| 20:04.46 | chops | freetos: Nice rationalization. "I'm not infringing copyright, because it's not _totally_ free of cost for me." |
| 20:05.06 | freetos | ip_droids have been going after sharing ever since ppl ripped tape copies of vinyal records |
| 20:05.07 | MangosDebian | dkr: :) |
| 20:05.09 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 20:05.12 | TheArtist | chops, it refers to libQtDBus.so.4.3.0: which is no such file or dir |
| 20:05.14 | dkr | rahul: equating it to taking a physical item is intellectually dishonest (and legally incorrect) |
| 20:05.17 | HardDisk_WP | can I install .rpm packages in debian with rpm? |
| 20:05.19 | chops | TheArtist: There's your problem :-) |
| 20:05.27 | HardDisk_WP | I dunno if SAPs installation routines use scripts... |
| 20:05.28 | chops | HardDisk_WP: Don't do it |
| 20:05.29 | rahul | freetos: if you don't appreciate the work, why are you bothering to watch it? |
| 20:05.41 | rahul | HardDisk_WP: EEEWWW!! |
| 20:05.48 | markrian | HardDisk_WP: better to use alien to convert rpms to debs, if you really really must |
| 20:05.53 | freetos | rahul, who says i don't appreciate it |
| 20:05.54 | HardDisk_WP | okay |
| 20:06.07 | TheArtist | chops, you da man :) however i still dont know anything about ld or qtdbus so what would you suggest i do to resolve it? |
| 20:06.12 | freetos | nothing like paying for something that is a piece of shit with no recoarse for a refund |
| 20:06.14 | rahul | freetos: you're not showing appreciation to the people who makde it |
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| 20:06.29 | rahul | freetos: if it's a piece of shit, don't watch it |
| 20:06.47 | freetos | i'll contribute, where is there a paypal for downloaded films? |
| 20:06.53 | rahul | uh |
| 20:07.01 | MangosDebian | dkr: you know, it really is amazing where we live in a world and take take mountains of data and digitize them to microscopic bit's and replicate them peferectly across vast distances in the form of pure energy, yet we still demand a 100000%+ markup on the data over the cost of the required number of electrons to transmit it at hydro company prices |
| 20:07.08 | freetos | that goes to the author |
| 20:07.09 | chops | freetos: It's not costing you as much as the movie is supposed to cost, and the money's not going to anyone at all related to the making of the movie... but it's all good, because there's no paypal for movies? What? |
| 20:07.10 | rahul | freetos: that's ridiculous. |
| 20:07.12 | MangosDebian | s/take take/can take/ |
| 20:07.21 | rahul | freetos: the author usually has already gotten paid |
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| 20:07.45 | rahul | MangosDebian: erm, so the time of all the people who made it is free? |
| 20:08.11 | kevinl-- | is it possible to customize gdmgreeter so that you cannot choose session? |
| 20:08.11 | MangosDebian | rahul: no, but the system used to measure compensation is flawed |
| 20:08.31 | rahul | MangosDebian: it's based on what people think it's worth |
| 20:08.33 | freetos | oh well, it's better to share it for free(other than bandwidth cost), than paying for it before you realize you've been ripped off |
| 20:08.43 | rahul | if you don't think it's worth the price, don't get it |
| 20:08.46 | stew | freetos: take it alsewhere |
| 20:08.58 | freetos | upyourarz |
| 20:09.04 | jimbo | xingu: The perl script runs as a CGI. So, if I export LANG=C, it would not be in the CGI environment, correct? |
| 20:09.06 | freetos | sharing is good |
| 20:09.14 | rahul | freetos: so buy it from a store with a return policy. |
| 20:09.18 | freetos | it's called fair use |
| 20:09.19 | MangosDebian | rahul: there in lies the flaw. "worth" is determined in a weighted fashion by those with the most power by designing the system to be in their favour |
| 20:09.24 | freetos | established copyright law |
| 20:09.26 | rahul | freetos: wrong. |
| 20:09.36 | rahul | fair use is using for your own PERSONAL viewing. |
| 20:09.39 | car_watt | Hi all, look that error I upgrating the version and wend I start tomcat I saw this error configuration error - unknown item 'FAIL_DELAY' (notify administrator) |
| 20:09.42 | stew | freetos: illegally downloading dvd's is not an appropriate topic for this network, please take it elsehwere, and keep the discussion on-topic |
| 20:09.48 | rahul | MangosDebian: no, it's determined by those who pay for it |
| 20:09.50 | freetos | rahul, i personally viewed it |
| 20:09.58 | rahul | freetos: get a clue, seriously. |
| 20:10.00 | dkr | rahul: wrong again, why not research these terms before spouting off incorrect information? |
| 20:10.10 | stew | lets just drop it |
| 20:10.26 | rahul | fair use isn't legal any more anyway. shrug. |
| 20:10.32 | freetos | what's the difference if i make a backup copy of a dvd and lend it to a friend, or i make an iso image and upload it too bittorrent? |
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| 20:10.50 | stew | freetos: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
| 20:10.51 | rahul | freetos: nothing. they're both piracy. end of story. |
| 20:10.54 | dkr | more friends. :) |
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| 20:11.18 | MangosDebian | assume for a minute that I make a device that could replice entire cars and small devices for about $0.02 worth of hydro at current market value, does it make sense to charge you full market price for the copy? ie: is a $0.02 copy worth $50,000 for same a car? |
| 20:11.22 | rahul | if you don't respect the copyright others put on their work, don't expect people to respect the GPL, etc. |
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| 20:11.26 | MangosDebian | replicate* |
| 20:11.42 | rahul | MangosDebian: incremental cost is not fixed cost. |
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| 20:11.56 | MangosDebian | rahul: wtf does that mean? |
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| 20:12.11 | runev | what could it be, when i've got nvidia drivers through apt to run xorg, and "glxinfo|grep rendering" tell's me direct rendering is on - but trying to wine a game which uses directx, tells me "Couldn't load WineD3D - OpenGL libs not present?" |
| 20:12.27 | rahul | MangosDebian: what it says. if you don't understand that, you don't understand what you're saying. |
| 20:12.33 | stew | rahul: take it elsewhere |
| 20:12.38 | MangosDebian | what if I spent a trillion dollars making it? should I still charge you $50,000 for the car copy? |
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| 20:12.48 | chops | MangosDebian, rahul: Hey guys... I'm not sure if you saw, but your conversation has been officially forbidden. |
| 20:12.50 | stew | MangosDebian: -> #debian-offtopic |
| 20:13.04 | MangosDebian | stew: ah sry |
| 20:13.05 | rahul | runev: are you using debian's wine packages? |
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| 20:13.53 | runev | rahul: yeah, but i've had them working earlier in etch though.. must've been something i've forgotten, heard loads of talk of backports, but no idea how to go forth on those |
| 20:14.04 | YGingras | anyone one knows how to do "rpm -V" on Debian. That's the rpm command to verify the checksum of binaries provided by a package. That's a good way to detect a rootkit or breakin |
| 20:14.16 | rahul | YGingras: debsums |
| 20:14.18 | cydork | YGingras: debsums |
| 20:14.32 | sonmez | Hi everyone, how can I alter the PYTHONPATH variable which is not listed by env? |
| 20:14.39 | YGingras | thanks rahul and cydork : ) |
| 20:14.45 | rahul | YGingras: which is not a good way to detect a rootkit that is debian-aware, as it will modify the checksums stored on your system |
| 20:14.51 | dkr | YGingras: better to use an external app for that, like rkhunter or tripwire if you are concerend about break-ins. some rootkits modify the local checksum db as well |
| 20:15.08 | xbaez | whazz up ! |
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| 20:15.24 | cydork | YGingras: and use rkhunter as dkr said. |
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| 20:15.37 | Pinchiukas | anybody know how to find out how much a network interface loads the cpu? |
| 20:15.59 | YGingras | rahul: yeah but stating with debsums from a live CD would detect some stuff right? |
| 20:16.00 | MangosDebian | hmm, good question |
| 20:16.34 | abrotman | am i missing the option in `man find` to look for files with a certain attribute ? |
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| 20:16.40 | rahul | YGingras: huh? |
| 20:16.46 | stew | abrotman: what is an attribute? |
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| 20:16.49 | rahul | abrotman: what kind of attribute? |
| 20:16.59 | streuner | abrotman: man find is a piece of crap;-) |
| 20:17.04 | fanti | hi there! i need to ask crond to run a command "each day, between 0-4 and 7-24 - every 20 minutes" ? how looks the crontab line for that? |
| 20:17.06 | abrotman | stew: lsattr etc |
| 20:17.07 | rahul | find can test lots of attributes |
| 20:17.10 | ftp3 | i have a dual xeon 3.6 (64bit) and I want to install debian current on it.. but it appears that the dir is called "AMD64".. will that work for me? |
| 20:17.15 | rahul | abrotman: lsattr isn't posix |
| 20:17.24 | abrotman | so find can't find it? |
| 20:17.31 | abrotman | lots of things aren't posix |
| 20:17.33 | ftp3 | the dir on the debian mirror site to download the iso... |
| 20:17.35 | streuner | abrotman: ever read greycat's wiki about? |
| 20:17.38 | MangosDebian | abrotman: its something like -perm isnt it? |
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| 20:17.50 | rahul | abrotman: it's ext-specific |
| 20:17.52 | chops | ftp3: Yes |
| 20:17.58 | ftp3 | chops, thanks |
| 20:18.02 | abrotman | MangosDebian: those aren't attributes .. those are unix permissoins .. i know find can do that |
| 20:18.12 | rahul | abrotman: if they let that in, why shouldn't they add ntfs-specific options, too? |
| 20:18.14 | chops | ftp3: Intel silently switched to using the AMD instruction set for their 64-bit processors after the Itanium failed |
| 20:18.23 | abrotman | rahul: that'd be nice |
| 20:18.24 | MangosDebian | abrotman: your meaning like acl stuff then? |
| 20:18.28 | rahul | heh |
| 20:18.36 | rahul | MangosDebian: no, extfs attributes |
| 20:18.41 | rahul | not EAs/ACLs |
| 20:18.47 | abrotman | MangosDebian: man chattr |
| 20:18.49 | MangosDebian | dump2fs stuff? |
| 20:18.52 | dkr | chops: not really that silently. :) since we all know about it |
| 20:18.53 | MangosDebian | ahhh ok |
| 20:19.24 | MangosDebian | abrotman: your looking for a "find" for lsattr then? |
| 20:19.25 | abrotman | streuner: about "UsingFind" |
| 20:19.33 | abrotman | MangosDebian: uhm .. kind of |
| 20:19.44 | rahul | chops: they also called them x86s, not itanics |
| 20:19.52 | MangosDebian | abrotman: find /somedir -exec lsattr {} \; | grep ..... |
| 20:19.54 | chops | dkr: Well, they handled it badly IMHO. They announced a shiny new 64-bit instruction set, published a shiny new set of manuals for it... and people had to read the manuals to learn that it just happened to be 100% compatible with the successful architecture AMD had been using the beat them soundly about the pants |
| 20:19.59 | abrotman | chops: and they still sell itanium |
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| 20:20.09 | abrotman | MangosDebian: have you ever looked at the output of lsattr ? |
| 20:20.14 | abrotman | what would you suggest i grep on ? |
| 20:20.19 | MangosDebian | abrotman: although the performance on all the forks is brutal |
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| 20:20.23 | chops | dkr: IMO that counts as silently, although people quickly figured it out of course |
| 20:20.26 | YGingras | rahul: I would start by booting on a live CD, mounting the root FS and I'd launch debsums on that. Would it make sens to do so? |
| 20:20.38 | rahul | YGingras: what's that going to detect? |
| 20:20.40 | MangosDebian | what field are you looking for? grep was just a example, but im sure awk/sec/grep combo could work |
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| 20:20.57 | MangosDebian | abrotman: ^^ |
| 20:20.58 | YGingras | rahul: replaced binaries? |
| 20:21.00 | rahul | YGingras: oh, you'd put the checksums on a read-only disk? |
| 20:21.22 | rahul | hrm, that might require some tweaking of debsums, as it looks in a specific location... maybe there's some params you can specify |
| 20:21.50 | abrotman | MangosDebian: uhm .. sure .. what if they have +a .. but they might also have +i set .. and then there might be a file called cain.jpg .. see what i mean |
| 20:21.58 | YGingras | rahul: I was thinking of using the ones from the disk, that only debsums could be cracked but yet, it also needs a trustable version of the sums... |
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| 20:22.14 | MangosDebian | abrotman: a grep regex could handle that |
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| 20:22.27 | MangosDebian | abrotman: regex up to the first space |
| 20:22.32 | abrotman | MangosDebian: you try it .. let me know when you admit defeat in three years :) |
| 20:22.49 | rahul | abrotman: welcome to unix :) |
| 20:22.50 | MangosDebian | abrotman: your looking for all files with "+a"? |
| 20:22.55 | abrotman | MangosDebian: there are too many variations on the attributes |
| 20:23.04 | abrotman | MangosDebian: lsattr on a file .. see all those -------------- |
| 20:23.09 | YGingras | rahul: on, I switch to rkhunter |
| 20:23.11 | MangosDebian | ya and? |
| 20:23.13 | YGingras | s/on/ok/ |
| 20:23.38 | abrotman | MangosDebian: 'a' is in the middle .. but it might have 'i' or 'd' set also which are right next to 'a' |
| 20:23.38 | MangosDebian | although I would prefer perl rather than grep :) |
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| 20:23.59 | MangosDebian | sec |
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| 20:24.09 | SirSherlock | i have no X server, anyone knw how i can have debian not as for a user/passwd, but login automaticlly |
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| 20:24.25 | rahul | actually, perl can do applicative programming |
| 20:24.34 | rahul | but I don't think it can do applicative OO well |
| 20:24.45 | rahul | this kinda needs applicative OO... |
| 20:24.47 | abrotman | SirSherlock: to the console ? |
| 20:25.01 | SirSherlock | yes |
| 20:25.10 | abrotman | you could probably munge /etc/inittab to do it |
| 20:25.20 | nanonyme | i guess modules in perl work like your normal objects might in another language |
| 20:25.45 | chops | nanonyme: Perl has pretty good OO features, actually... you just have to like perl to use them, which a lot of people don't :-) |
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| 20:26.07 | rahul | nanonyme: applicative OO requires something more advanced than so-called "normal" objects |
| 20:26.26 | nanonyme | rahul: i don't know what you need so i can't comment |
| 20:26.36 | rahul | methods belong to functions, not to classes |
| 20:26.43 | chops | rahul: What exactly is applicative OO? |
| 20:26.59 | SirSherlock | abrotman: i just looked through inittab, no options to autologin....my question, whats does this file do in the boot process? |
| 20:27.10 | JordiGH | Oh. "applicative" just means "functional". |
| 20:27.10 | rahul | chops: being able to pass around functions that behave in an OO manner on the stuff they're passed |
| 20:27.10 | nanonyme | eh, functions belong to functional programming anyway :) |
| 20:27.14 | JordiGH | Like Lisp. |
| 20:27.14 | chops | rahul: You can bless function references in perl if you want to call a method of a function |
| 20:27.16 | rahul | JordiGH: well, not really |
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| 20:27.26 | rahul | JordiGH: it is less strict and more specific |
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| 20:27.35 | JordiGH | Does clisp have objects? All I've ever really looked at is elisp. |
| 20:27.36 | nanonyme | eh, isn't functional OO a contradictory term? |
| 20:27.39 | MangosDebian | abrotman: find /foo -type f -exec lsattr {} \; | grep -e '.*a.*\ ' |
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| 20:27.47 | rahul | JordiGH: clisp has everything CL specifies |
| 20:27.50 | rahul | nanonyme: kinda |
| 20:27.51 | MangosDebian | abrotman: replace a with whatever attribute |
| 20:27.58 | rahul | nanonyme: which is why I said applicative |
| 20:28.03 | JordiGH | rahul: Sorry, confused clisp with CL. |
| 20:28.26 | ninnghizidha | I'd like to use a command-line version of emule - got some ideas where to ask for this? |
| 20:28.28 | MangosDebian | abrotman: can add a ^ in there too, but its not needed |
| 20:28.38 | rahul | nanonyme: although, you can have polymorphism and state encapsulation without having side-effects |
| 20:28.46 | nanonyme | rahul: can you give a wiki page or whatever so i can too understand what you're talking about? |
| 20:28.54 | JordiGH | ninnghizidha: On this side of the fence, it's known as amule. apt-cache search for it. |
| 20:29.00 | nanonyme | i don't really get the applicative part of the OO |
| 20:29.11 | rahul | nanonyme: they're not intertwined |
| 20:29.13 | TheArtist | Skype tells me it cant find libQtDBus.so.4: and when i ls -al the lib it shows its a symlink to /usr/lib/libQtDBus.so.4.3.0 however the link is broken, anyone know what to do? i definitely have libQtDBus.so.4 |
| 20:29.20 | rahul | applicative OO is just something you can do in Lisp |
| 20:29.31 | chops | TheArtist: Where did you get that shared library? |
| 20:29.38 | SirSherlock | abrotman: bless the internet and your inittab advice - found it http://easymamecab.mameworld.net/html/autologin.htm |
| 20:29.45 | TheArtist | chops, from aptitude |
| 20:29.45 | SirSherlock | AUTO LOGIN ^] |
| 20:29.47 | ninnghizidha | jordiGH - just a typo ... used it a lot already .. .but i dont find a commandline version of it. |
| 20:29.51 | nanonyme | rahul: well, Lisp is indeed a very weird language :) |
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| 20:29.56 | cydork | MangosDebian: that won't work if filenames have spaces :) |
| 20:30.07 | JordiGH | !info amule-utils |
| 20:30.09 | dpkg | amule-utils: (utilities for aMule (command-line version)), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.1.3-3+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 377 kB, Installed size: 672 kB |
| 20:30.14 | slid3r | what app actualy calls /etc/motd upon login? |
| 20:30.18 | JordiGH | ninnghizidha: ^^ |
| 20:30.19 | nanonyme | rahul: isn't tail recursion another term mostly used in lisp? |
| 20:30.22 | chops | TheArtist: Try dpkg -L on the package, and make sure the package is installed. Either it's become uninstalled somehow, or it now doesn't provide that file, or it's broken. |
| 20:30.24 | rahul | nanonyme: it's weird because it includes everything all other languages have :) |
| 20:30.26 | rahul | nanonyme: no |
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| 20:30.33 | rahul | nanonyme: it's a term used in gcc :) |
| 20:30.34 | freetos | what exactely is the topic? |
| 20:30.35 | ninnghizidha | ... but it got ttfs as dependancies ... |
| 20:30.39 | MangosDebian | cydork: why not? |
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| 20:30.44 | ninnghizidha | thats ... unusual :P |
| 20:30.46 | MangosDebian | cydork: ahh sorry ya |
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| 20:31.06 | MangosDebian | abrotman: find /foo -type f -exec lsattr "{}" \; | grep -e '.*a.*\ ' :) |
| 20:31.14 | nanonyme | rahul: hmm, lisp supports iteration then? maybe i confused it with another language then... |
| 20:31.17 | abrotman | MangosDebian: that's nice .. it'll also match every instance of 'cache' of which there is one in *every* directory out of about 10,000 i want to scan |
| 20:31.20 | MangosDebian | i also get tons errors on a reiserfs but meh |
| 20:31.23 | brandon_ | is it possible to only use an x login? |
| 20:31.25 | rahul | nanonyme: tail recursion is iteration obfuscated |
| 20:31.27 | TheArtist | chops, how can i find out the package name? |
| 20:31.33 | chops | TheArtist: dpkg -S |
| 20:31.38 | freetos | 1 thing only, there is a history in copyright law for violation to occur, there needs to be a for profit element, sharing is not like that |
| 20:31.40 | abrotman | SirSherlock: that's just creepy :) |
| 20:31.41 | MangosDebian | abrotman: just add a grep -v "cache" |
| 20:31.50 | rahul | nanonyme: and lisp is usually written in an iterative style |
| 20:31.53 | JordiGH | ninnghizidha: Btw, maybe you can explain something about the eDonkey protocol to me. Is it like bittorrent? I tried getting stuff of amule yesterday, but I couldn't even get as much as a single byte; not sure if I was impatient or if I have network issues. |
| 20:31.54 | nanonyme | rahul: in one language you had to do tail recursion to get iteration because the language gave no tools for simple iterating |
| 20:32.01 | abrotman | MangosDebian: and if the filename has an 'a' in it ? |
| 20:32.02 | nanonyme | rahul: ok |
| 20:32.09 | rahul | nanonyme: determining when tail call elision is desired and/or possible is a non-computable thing |
| 20:32.12 | abrotman | or directory |
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| 20:32.26 | MangosDebian | abrotman: dont matter, least not on my test. the regex stops at the first space |
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| 20:32.35 | abrotman | MangosDebian: i should also mention that some files have eroneously been made into directories |
| 20:32.51 | chops | abrotman: Yikes |
| 20:33.04 | rahul | nanonyme: at least in the presence of dynamic binding, which lisp has |
| 20:33.07 | abrotman | this is what happens when your filesystem goes ro in the middle of a huge rsync .. |
| 20:33.07 | MangosDebian | abrotman: well, its rough, but I could test it futher if you need something more accurate. |
| 20:33.12 | helo | MangosDebian: man, you've been working on this all day :( |
| 20:33.14 | TheArtist | chops, ok nothing is found, i guess its not properly installed, any idea where to get a decent one, the skype site only has a binary for etch, and that fails to install with dpkg -i |
| 20:33.17 | ninnghizidha | JordiGH, not an expert too - but its nearly the same. :) |
| 20:33.30 | chops | JordiGH: amule has to sit and think for a while before you start downloading generally... I think you're sitting in people's upload queues while that happens |
| 20:33.36 | MangosDebian | abrotman: and -type f wont find symlinks |
| 20:33.37 | chops | JordiGH: Also, make sure you don't have a lowid |
| 20:33.44 | chops | JordiGH: See the server messages |
| 20:33.49 | MangosDebian | helo: workin on what? |
| 20:33.54 | ninnghizidha | ... except, that amule depends a lon on the build in credit system: stay online longer and you will get things faster after a while |
| 20:33.54 | helo | MangosDebian: your tar issues |
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| 20:33.54 | JordiGH | chops: Kay... so if I leave it overnight, I may download something? |
| 20:33.55 | pumpkin0 | which ftp-server is easy to setup and works on low-end servers ? |
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| 20:34.05 | MangosDebian | helo: what tar issues? |
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| 20:34.06 | chops | JordiGH: As long as you don't have a lowid, yes |
| 20:34.09 | ninnghizidha | but i guess, the idea is quite the same :) |
| 20:34.17 | abrotman | MangosDebian: there are no symlinks |
| 20:34.24 | abrotman | well .. there's not supposed to be |
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| 20:34.27 | MangosDebian | abrotman: well, not the greatest regex, but that was far from 3 years ;p |
| 20:34.27 | helo | hmmm... my mistake |
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| 20:34.44 | MangosDebian | helo: np ;) happens |
| 20:34.49 | JordiGH | chops: I do have a low-id. Is all hope lost? |
| 20:34.51 | abrotman | MangosDebian: totally failed .. some of the directories have 'a' in them .. grr |
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| 20:35.05 | abrotman | oh shit .. that was with type f |
| 20:35.09 | abrotman | bah .. totally failed .. |
| 20:35.10 | MangosDebian | abrotman: a dir shouldnt show up in type f |
| 20:35.20 | chops | JordiGH: Nope. Open the appropriate port(s) on your NAT router and you should stop having a lowid. |
| 20:35.27 | rahul | MangosDebian: the dir will show up as part of a file name |
| 20:35.38 | rahul | abrotman: you probably need to use cut or awk |
| 20:35.41 | JordiGH | chops: My router? This isn't my network. I'm in school. |
| 20:35.44 | abrotman | MangosDebian: grep -v -- ---------------- |
| 20:35.50 | chops | JordiGH: Oh |
| 20:35.54 | chops | JordiGH: All hope is lost then |
| 20:35.58 | JordiGH | :-( |
| 20:36.09 | chops | JordiGH: If you can't get a port forwarded to your machine, you won't get good performance from amule |
| 20:36.10 | ninnghizidha | yes .. .all hope lost. |
| 20:36.11 | ninnghizidha | :P |
| 20:36.20 | MangosDebian | abrotman: its actually missing the 3rd - and its a dir? |
| 20:36.23 | chops | JordiGH: You could run the download on a remote server somewhere if you have access to one |
| 20:36.34 | JordiGH | chops: I may be able to ssh portforward... is it only one port I need? |
| 20:36.37 | chops | JordiGH: Via ssh -X or via another client |
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| 20:36.47 | chops | JordiGH: Can't remember, sorry. Do a 'netstat -nlp | grep amule' |
| 20:37.13 | abrotman | MangosDebian: uhm .. no |
| 20:37.20 | JordiGH | 2955 |
| 20:37.23 | JordiGH | Hm. |
| 20:37.27 | abrotman | MangosDebian: using the grep i used instead of yours seems a bit better on the results |
| 20:37.36 | TrueDD | good night all |
| 20:37.46 | MangosDebian | abrotman: oh, skipping all --------'s ya |
| 20:38.04 | JordiGH | Er, how did ssh port forwarding work? I forgot. |
| 20:38.28 | chops | JordiGH: There's always nc port forwarding instead :-) |
| 20:38.59 | JordiGH | chops: I don't my admin to see my l33t w4r3z downloadz... |
| 20:39.04 | chops | JordiGH: Hm |
| 20:39.05 | TheArtist | chops, ok kinda embarrasing, after all that it was a duff binary, thanks alot you were a big help |
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| 20:39.52 | chops | JordiGH: Hm... I can't help you dodge around your admin's restrictions, sorry. Some of us are admins ourselves. Professional courtesy you understand :-) |
| 20:40.03 | abrotman | MangosDebian: it kind of works .. but the chattr man page mentions a -I .. but i can't actually change it |
| 20:40.13 | chops | JordiGH: I'd recommend downloading it on a remote machine and then scp'ing it to your local network if your admin is preventing file sharing |
| 20:40.16 | abrotman | MangosDebian: oh well |
| 20:40.18 | chops | TheArtist: np |
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| 20:41.51 | protoloco | with what tool could I make a topology network !? |
| 20:41.59 | andrer_ | does anyone know how to get /etc/network/interfaces to get one interface UP but without assigning any IPS? |
| 20:42.00 | MangosDebian | abrotman: find /foo -type f -exec lsattr "{}" \; | perl -e 'while(<>){$a=$_;my ($b,$c)=split / /,$a,2;print "$b $c" if $b=~/a/;}' |
| 20:42.26 | MangosDebian | where /a/ is your attribute to match |
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| 20:42.42 | abrotman | MangosDebian: i'm really just looking for any that aren't right |
| 20:42.58 | runev | would http://winehq.org/site/download-deb be a nice site to get updated wine binaries from, or is there a more suited place to find them? |
| 20:42.59 | Blazei2 | Hi, does anyone know if the debian installer can set up raid 1+0 devices? |
| 20:43.01 | MangosDebian | ahh sorry then ;) |
| 20:43.19 | protoloco | with what tool could I make a topology network !? (diagram a network) |
| 20:43.25 | Pinchiukas | anybody know how to find out how much a network interface loads the cpu? |
| 20:43.48 | dkr | deja vu |
| 20:43.54 | MangosDebian | abrotman: although i rather impressed with my rude goldberg bash-fu |
| 20:44.19 | dkr | Pinchiukas: measure total cpu use without network load, then measure total with network load, :) |
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| 20:45.23 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:45.26 | abrotman | MangosDebian: good try! |
| 20:45.35 | abrotman | MangosDebian: i have files that are +I and no way to change them .. yay! |
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| 20:45.55 | nemrak | how do i have a module automatically loaded? |
| 20:46.00 | abrotman | debsums: no md5sums for bzip2 |
| 20:46.00 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.03 | nemrak | without having to type modprobe module everytime |
| 20:46.37 | rahul | protoloco: dia |
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| 20:47.38 | cydork | nemrak: put it in /etc/modules |
| 20:47.47 | nemrak | cydork, ah okay, thanks |
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| 20:49.25 | MangosDebian | abrotman: i take it chattr -I doesnt work? |
| 20:49.42 | abrotman | it's listed in the man page .. but doesn't actualy work .. nor shown in --help |
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| 20:51.05 | MangosDebian | abrotman: i take it immutable is +i not I? whats +I for? |
| 20:51.15 | abrotman | The I attribute is used by the htree code to indicate that a directory is being indexed using hashed trees. It |
| 20:51.16 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:51.28 | solitude | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.39 | abrotman | mkswap .. swapon -a |
| 20:51.39 | \amethyst | abrotman: you mounted an ext2 fs r/w as ext3 or something? |
| 20:51.49 | pheeror | hi, i can't find howto build custom kernel in debian etch? i found a lot of howtos, but nothing deal with need of initrd |
| 20:51.50 | abrotman | \amethyst: no .. the ext3 fs took a major poop |
| 20:51.57 | pheeror | so i end up in systemrescuecd :-) |
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| 20:52.17 | abrotman | \amethyst: in the middle of a huge rsync .. it went 'ro' .. and left hundreds of corrupted files |
| 20:52.36 | MangosDebian | abrotman: whats wrong with a hashed tree? |
| 20:52.44 | abrotman | though .. it would appear the bossman just gave me the okay for a complete reinstall |
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| 20:53.01 | abrotman | MangosDebian: it doesn't seem normal? |
| 20:53.09 | pheeror | hm |
| 20:53.11 | abrotman | i would imagine all the directories would have it .. or none |
| 20:53.14 | pheeror | maybe some magic with mkimage |
| 20:53.15 | solitude | thanks abrotman |
| 20:53.24 | \amethyst | abrotman: it's an ext3 optimization, maybe based on directory size |
| 20:53.33 | MangosDebian | abrotman: tune2fs -O ^dir__index? |
| 20:53.37 | MangosDebian | dir_index* |
| 20:53.40 | abrotman | \amethyst: i didn't set it .. unless the MUA can set it via the IMAPD interface .. not likely |
| 20:54.27 | abrotman | it's been an interesting problem .. but i really didn't want to use it in production .. |
| 20:54.42 | \amethyst | abrotman: is there anything else visibly wrong with those directories? |
| 20:54.56 | \amethyst | abrotman: the ones that are +I that is |
| 20:54.56 | abrotman | \amethyst: uhm .. some files became directories :) |
| 20:55.01 | \amethyst | ahhhh |
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| 20:55.27 | abrotman | basically .. a reinstall is the right thing to do .. it wasn't a production box (very nearly though) |
| 20:55.50 | abrotman | i'm just going to have to beat the piss out of the filesystem to see if it's going to tend to do it again |
| 20:56.06 | MangosDebian | abrotman: nows the best time to practice filesystem recovery |
| 20:56.58 | abrotman | MangosDebian: / seems fine .. /home/ was a partial backup |
| 20:57.25 | abrotman | just enough to test backup/restore at this point |
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| 20:57.43 | pheeror | ah initrd |
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| 20:58.22 | MangosDebian | abrotman: dumpe2fs /dev/hdXXX | grep hash |
| 20:58.27 | helo | procmail execute using the body of the email as well as the header, right? |
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| 20:58.31 | abrotman | MangosDebian: i could wipe /home/ and work from there ... but i can just backup /etc/ and go from there |
| 20:58.34 | MangosDebian | abrotman: curious what it is |
| 20:58.45 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:58.46 | pheeror | bad luck you don't use wiki for doc :-( |
| 20:58.48 | abrotman | what what is ? |
| 20:59.03 | MangosDebian | output of that command |
| 20:59.12 | MangosDebian | on th fs that choked |
| 20:59.51 | abrotman | Filesystem flags: signed directory hash |
| 20:59.59 | abrotman | but i didn't set it .. |
| 21:00.03 | nemrak | hey |
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| 21:00.23 | nemrak | i'm using tpb to get the special fn keys to work on my lenovo thinkpad x61 laptop |
| 21:00.25 | abrotman | i mean on those dirs |
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| 21:00.35 | nemrak | i specifically want the sound and the brightness keys to work correctly |
| 21:00.44 | MangosDebian | abrotman: try -O ^dir_index on that fs, curious if that unsets the +I |
| 21:00.57 | zwox | hi all |
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| 21:01.09 | abrotman | MangosDebian: on what command ? |
| 21:01.09 | MangosDebian | abrotman: err, sorry with the tune2fs command |
| 21:01.12 | abrotman | oh |
| 21:01.14 | nemrak | the problem is that i think the brightness is almost working correctly, except that it doesnt reflect the changes until the system is rebooted |
| 21:01.17 | SirSherlock | question, from a console (noX) after I log in, i want the command "mocp -p" to start automatically, how do i do that? |
| 21:01.33 | zwox | can you tell me how to fix an error with the clock set with debian |
| 21:01.35 | MangosDebian | abrotman: need to be unmounted and probably fsck'd before of after, but it should tell you if its needed |
| 21:01.41 | nemrak | when i press Fn + Home (increase brightness) it shows the little brightness bar at the bottom of the screen and it shows it increasing |
| 21:01.45 | zwox | i'm using ntp to synchronise clock |
| 21:01.46 | nemrak | but there is no present change |
| 21:01.48 | nemrak | until i reboot |
| 21:01.52 | abrotman | MangosDebian: it's been fsck'ed about 10 times |
| 21:02.10 | MangosDebian | abrotman: tune2fs has some stuff that wont run on a clean fs though |
| 21:02.12 | abrotman | zwox: and the error is ? |
| 21:02.22 | zwox | when i'm not connected |
| 21:02.36 | zwox | the clock is set 2hours before the real time |
| 21:02.49 | MangosDebian | abrotman: i seem to recall you have to run it once to actually do the removal of one of the -O features, cant remember if it was index_dir though |
| 21:02.52 | zwox | the timezone is correctly set |
| 21:02.56 | MangosDebian | or the journal |
| 21:03.03 | abrotman | zwox: hwclock |
| 21:03.11 | abrotman | MangosDebian: let me check something |
| 21:03.45 | abrotman | MangosDebian: i thought maybe the host had the same thing .. it doesn't .. the file has been corrupted |
| 21:04.13 | zwox | is the hwclock the same as in the bios ? |
| 21:04.14 | MangosDebian | abrotman: i thought you said they became directories? |
| 21:04.23 | abrotman | MangosDebian: not those ones .. they actually are directories |
| 21:04.40 | abrotman | MangosDebian: but they're not supposed to be +I |
| 21:04.42 | MangosDebian | abrotman: but all the files inside +I dir's were corrupted? |
| 21:05.51 | zwox | hwclock returns "select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out" |
| 21:06.07 | abrotman | MangosDebian: nope .. the directories are +I but they shouldn't be |
| 21:06.30 | MangosDebian | abrotman: so whats corrupted then? |
| 21:06.34 | abrotman | MangosDebian: the attributes :) |
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| 21:06.58 | abrotman | MangosDebian: i trashed one of them .. and i'm re-rsyncing to see what hapepns |
| 21:07.00 | MangosDebian | abrotman: but +I is just an indicator that the dir is stored using a hash i thought? |
| 21:08.00 | abrotman | MangosDebian: but how did it get set .. the imap client can't .. and i didn't .. and it's not that way on the host that it rsync'ed from |
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| 21:08.35 | MangosDebian | abrotman: its part of ext2/3. posibly set during format when you installed |
| 21:08.44 | abrotman | MangosDebian: but they aren't all +I |
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| 21:08.53 | abrotman | not even all subdirs of one dir |
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| 21:09.13 | MangosDebian | abrotman: whats the size of the dir's with the +I? large or small number of files? |
| 21:09.31 | abrotman | tsocks: turn it off |
| 21:09.36 | abrotman | MangosDebian: about 450 files |
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| 21:09.49 | abrotman | MangosDebian: emails .. probably not more than 10MB |
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| 21:10.02 | tsocks | hmm sorry ;-( |
| 21:10.19 | MangosDebian | abrotman: dir_index: "Use hashed b-trees to speed up lookups in large directories" |
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| 21:10.34 | MangosDebian | abrotman: although what I dont know is if +I = b-tree |
| 21:10.34 | abrotman | MangosDebian: it's not a large dir .. and there are others that are way larger that aren't +I |
| 21:11.05 | MangosDebian | but are you going by number or files or size of files? |
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| 21:11.10 | abrotman | both |
| 21:11.32 | MangosDebian | think it only applies to number of files for some reason, but i dont know |
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| 21:12.05 | abrotman | okay .. so that dir has 450 ... there are folders with 5000+ that aren't +I |
| 21:12.05 | MangosDebian | what i was suggesting though is tune2fs -O ^dir_index and see if +I is still set on them |
| 21:12.44 | MangosDebian | 5000 all in a single dir? or in sub dirs? |
| 21:12.47 | abrotman | one dir |
| 21:13.00 | abrotman | it's a mailstore .. |
| 21:13.05 | MangosDebian | same fs? |
| 21:13.08 | abrotman | yep |
| 21:13.09 | tarzeau | i've had a user with 2.800.000 files... |
| 21:13.21 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: i dont wanna know |
| 21:13.24 | abrotman | no .. i keep different users on different filesystems .. i keep my bosses mail on reiser .. byebye mail! |
| 21:13.25 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: yeah :) |
| 21:13.50 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: i mean i've seen 1000 files, 10000 files, 100000 files. and a million. but 2,8 millions files.. damn you |
| 21:14.07 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: the backup using rsync over gbit wouldn't ever finish |
| 21:14.13 | karsten | abrotman: Be careful, man, reiser loses stuff. |
| 21:14.18 | helo | how does one trim leading and trailing whitespace from stdin in bash? |
| 21:14.18 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: don't even try a find or du -sh on it |
| 21:14.19 | abrotman | karsten: that was my point:) |
| 21:14.20 | MangosDebian | abrotman: yep or no? which one is the answer to my question about the 5000 all in one dir? |
| 21:14.30 | abrotman | MangosDebian: yes .. it's a mailstore .. peopel send lots of mail :) |
| 21:14.33 | karsten | abrotman: apparently wife not found because reiserfsck fails to performa adequatly. |
| 21:14.34 | tarzeau | helo: remove ^/ ? |
| 21:14.46 | abrotman | karsten: not funny .. at all |
| 21:15.06 | MangosDebian | abrotman: ok, just making sure. irc sucks when you ask 2 questions over time and get multiple yes/no answers back :) |
| 21:15.09 | tarzeau | helo: as in? find / | sed "s,^/,," |
| 21:15.10 | karsten | helo: sed -e 's/^\s//' -e 's/\s$//' |
| 21:15.22 | abrotman | heh |
| 21:15.27 | helo | that seems really complicated |
| 21:15.32 | tarzeau | helo: it's really simple |
| 21:15.33 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: what fs was it using? and what was performance like? |
| 21:15.48 | abrotman | MangosDebian: so you want me to umount /thedrive/ and then do a tune2fs -O ^dir_index /thedrive/ ? |
| 21:15.51 | karsten | abrotman: My first email on the subject when the case first broke was titled "Reiser loses stuff..." |
| 21:15.51 | helo | not as simple as "cat blah|grep whatever|trim" |
| 21:16.00 | abrotman | karsten: still not funny |
| 21:16.04 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: i didn't check the average file size of the individual files. but we just have ext3 (on the workstations) and ufs on the backup boxen |
| 21:16.13 | MangosDebian | abrotman: ya, curious if that is set on it even. not sure how to tell the flags otherwise |
| 21:16.17 | abrotman | moment |
| 21:16.18 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: small files hit gbit hard since rsync operates on files |
| 21:16.22 | dkr | helo: congratulations, you just won the useless use of cat award for today. :) |
| 21:16.28 | helo | seems like there would be a utility to do this |
| 21:16.33 | helo | hehe yeah bad habit |
| 21:16.59 | karsten | helo: 'sed' == stream editor. 's' == substitute command. '/' == pattern seperator. '\s' == whitespace. '^' == start of line anchor. '$' == end of line anchor. So: invoke the stream editor to substitute for whitespace at start of line or end of line, nothing. |
| 21:17.10 | karsten | helo: There is. it's called "sed" ;-) |
| 21:17.14 | kevinl-- | is anyone familiar with nsswitch.conf ? I am trying to use libpam-mysql as the second mechanism after 'compat' in nsswitch.conf. It works and authenticates GDM users from the DB, however my DB is getting pounded by glibc for user/group information, even as earlier as the init scripts. . any ideas? |
| 21:17.19 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: sounds like you found a flaw in rsync. |
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| 21:18.03 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: i'm not sure where the bottleneck is, in the filesystem/harddisk or rsync |
| 21:18.10 | karsten | tarzeau: One solution (I've suggested it here where we deal with literally millions of files in a workflow) is to use a local loopback filesystem, write to that, umount it, then rsync the filesystem file. |
| 21:18.31 | karsten | tarzeau: Probably in stat() calls and memory overhead to handle per-file metadata (perms and block offsets / states). |
| 21:18.45 | tarzeau | karsten: true, but if you have a backupsystem wanting files, the backup is on files over several days/weeks/months and uses hardlinks on same files... |
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| 21:19.28 | tarzeau | is dir_index not default with etch? |
| 21:19.39 | abrotman | MangosDebian: damn it .. everything wants to use that partitin :) |
| 21:19.53 | MangosDebian | abrotman: heh, ive been there :) |
| 21:20.40 | karsten | tarzeau: Yeah, there are places where you've got issues. I'd look at LVM and snapshotting in that case. |
| 21:20.49 | zwox | i've just make an alias of hwclock using now --directisa option, it seems to work well |
| 21:20.51 | abrotman | MangosDebian: uhm .. if it goes back to the prompt .. are you wrong ? :) |
| 21:20.55 | tarzeau | karsten: heh i don't really care, i don't do the backups :) |
| 21:21.06 | MangosDebian | abrotman: no idea :) try it twice :) |
| 21:21.10 | tarzeau | karsten: i just had to copy away some files on the systemdisk, but it took too long (for upgrading to etch) |
| 21:21.15 | zwox | we will see at the next boot without ethernet or wifi connection |
| 21:21.34 | MangosDebian | abrotman: also, i recall one option needs a fsck to actually undo/do the change. might wanna issue a fsck forced just in case |
| 21:21.42 | tarzeau | i wonder if anyone uses a cluster filesystem, and which? |
| 21:21.46 | abrotman | MangosDebian: oh . i didn't fsck yet .. damn it .. it's huge |
| 21:22.19 | abrotman | MangosDebian: i'm glad you're enjoying me being your labray |
| 21:22.20 | abrotman | rat |
| 21:22.26 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 21:22.40 | MangosDebian | i use lvm to split up my data so its not so insane :) |
| 21:22.59 | MangosDebian | i have no sympathy for you :p |
| 21:23.26 | MangosDebian | i guess multi user boxen are a good exception to lvm though |
| 21:23.55 | subx | does anybody know what package installs the print tool: lpstat? ive tried apt-cache search without any luck |
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| 21:24.02 | MangosDebian | still need massive fs to store all the accounts i mean. and pam mountable home fs would suck |
| 21:24.18 | pumpkin0 | trying to connect via bluetooth to a palm. Usually you need to enter a PIN for bluetooth-con. Usually "bluepin" asks the user. according to debian.org/packages and aptitude that file does not exisit in debian (stable, testing, unstable). WHY ? |
| 21:24.22 | tarzeau | subx: packages.debian.org would know, cupsys-client |
| 21:24.45 | subx | thanks :) |
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| 21:25.11 | abrotman | MangosDebian: well .. in a dozen other fsck .. never got " Inode 2048004 has INDEX_FL flag set on filesystem without htree support. |
| 21:25.11 | abrotman | " |
| 21:25.35 | pocukrani | !paste |
| 21:25.35 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 21:25.38 | MangosDebian | abrotman: that may just be it removing the setting |
| 21:25.40 | abrotman | MangosDebian: but obviously the FS is still messed |
| 21:25.49 | abrotman | pocukrani: it was supposed to be one line .. get over it |
| 21:26.11 | MangosDebian | abrotman: he may wanted a clickable url :) |
| 21:26.15 | helo | is it bad for the root user to receive email directly? |
| 21:26.20 | pocukrani | abrotman, i want to kopy paste my error |
| 21:26.25 | MangosDebian | helo: generally yes |
| 21:26.27 | abrotman | pocukrani: sorry .. thought it was for me :) |
| 21:26.35 | abrotman | helo: you alias root in your aliases file to go to a real user |
| 21:26.37 | tsocks | helo: yep. |
| 21:26.41 | abrotman | or a real user on another box |
| 21:26.46 | MangosDebian | abrotman: ya irc sucks for that |
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| 21:27.05 | helo | i'd prefer to do it anyways (no outside email, only from trusted apps on our servers) |
| 21:27.06 | abrotman | i'm so glad i get to format the box down :) |
| 21:27.24 | MangosDebian | helo: but are the apps connected to internet? |
| 21:27.27 | helo | no |
| 21:28.34 | MangosDebian | helo: try send mail to root-test |
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| 21:28.50 | MangosDebian | see what error it bounces with and if it returns |
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| 21:29.13 | MangosDebian | i seem to recall something specific about root-<suffix>, but I cant remember what |
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| 21:30.26 | tarzeau | here's one of the laboratory photos, can you identify any device? http://n.ethz.ch/student/mweller/images/dil.jpg |
| 21:30.28 | zwox | is there a way to bind an application to a desktop ? |
| 21:30.34 | MangosDebian | helo: anyways, if its not on the net who cares, its your box. but all our advice is still a firm resounding "dont use root unless you have to". |
| 21:30.56 | MangosDebian | if it loads tarzeau :) |
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| 21:31.20 | MangosDebian | lol nope |
| 21:32.14 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: some sort of laser setup or carbon dating aparatus? |
| 21:32.34 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: looks all to be tools for measuring frequencies and such |
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| 21:32.49 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: dilution refrigerator? |
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| 21:32.51 | MangosDebian | very "analoge" looking though. radio? |
| 21:33.21 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: oh wait! I know one! Thhe pencil sharpenr on the desk! :) |
| 21:33.24 | tarzeau | helo: the small silver one in the middle behind? helium probably? |
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| 21:33.31 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: haha i knew someone would say that :) i knew it |
| 21:33.56 | MangosDebian | tarzeau: whats a dilution fridge? |
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| 21:34.13 | MangosDebian | looks like it lowers into the ground |
| 21:34.24 | sid | Is there a good free software application for tracking tech support services? |
| 21:34.36 | MangosDebian | pulley/winch above it. it heavy? |
| 21:34.38 | abrotman | services or issues ? |
| 21:34.42 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: well fridge you know. and dilution means 2: weakening (reducing the concentration) by the addition of water or a thinner [ant: {concentration}] (from dict) |
| 21:34.43 | sid | issues |
| 21:34.48 | abrotman | there are tons |
| 21:34.52 | tarzeau | MangosDebian: i'm not sure they use water for their dilution... |
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| 21:34.59 | sid | abrotman: Which would you use? |
| 21:35.04 | tarzeau | sid: request tracker -- and i hate it |
| 21:35.24 | abrotman | sid: i wouldn't .. i am the tech support .. apt-cache search issue track |
| 21:35.27 | tarzeau | sid: a friend of mine says, notepad.exe and writing the issue into text files |
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| 21:35.38 | tarzeau | sid: very simple, never gets lost in the tracking system ... i agree |
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| 21:35.57 | abrotman | sid: failing that ... check freshmeat |
| 21:36.15 | mavhc | too much software, need more recommendation systems |
| 21:36.26 | MangosDebian | abrotman: lol, dont you hate being the tech/admin? My peeve is when something im stuck on tells me to refer my administrator |
| 21:36.51 | mavhc | MangosDebian: I just into a recursive loop and shut down |
| 21:36.54 | MangosDebian | mavhc: rofl |
| 21:37.10 | abrotman | MangosDebian: no .. i love it |
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| 21:37.37 | MangosDebian | abrotman: no, i dont mean hate being a tech so much as hate when a manual refers you to yourself ;) |
| 21:37.41 | abrotman | MangosDebian: i was a developer .. this is way more fun |
| 21:37.46 | tarzeau | sid: you know if you don't have issues, you don't need to track them |
| 21:38.01 | MangosDebian | abrotman: meh, little from column a, little from column b here |
| 21:38.11 | abrotman | MangosDebian: though i was a developer .. i knew about halfway through college i wanted to be an admin |
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| 21:38.15 | MangosDebian | if its interesting, i learn what I can and move on :) |
| 21:38.29 | xingu | recursive loop? sounds nasty |
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| 21:38.55 | abrotman | i got to learn all kinds of fun development stuff in college .. and i was good at it .. just didn't really enjoy it like i thought i would |
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| 21:39.06 | MangosDebian | xingu: think, sticking your head up your a** <-- recursion :þ |
| 21:39.16 | helo | bah... if you try to get mail to go to the root user, it goes to /var/mail/mail |
| 21:39.30 | MangosDebian | helo: lol, are you serious? |
| 21:39.30 | abrotman | MangosDebian: like the summer i spent in .. wisconsin .. doing graphics in assembler .. because i thought it was fun :) |
| 21:39.40 | abrotman | doing graphics in assembler in my spare time |
| 21:39.55 | abrotman | helo: did you set an alias and run newaliases ? |
| 21:40.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: you were in wisconsin? did you meet the condor people? |
| 21:40.03 | helo | oh, didn't run newaliases |
| 21:40.10 | MangosDebian | abrotman: lol, well that would be cool to play with, but damn if it aint a useless skill to have as an admin |
| 21:40.18 | sid | tarzeau: This is true. |
| 21:40.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: i was in the middle of nowhere wisconsin .. staying with my grandmother who'd just had a stroke |
| 21:40.27 | sid | tarzeau: If debian didn't have issues, #debian wouldn't need to exist. |
| 21:40.35 | tarzeau | sid: i disagree |
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| 21:40.40 | MangosDebian | abrotman: but hey, razor911 and myth et all wouldnt have snazzy installers if not for ppl like you :) |
| 21:40.51 | mavhc | yes, what about the people who join irc because they can't read? |
| 21:40.53 | tarzeau | sid: it's always good to meet/talk to people, even if you don't need anything |
| 21:40.59 | subx | ive got CUPS working with my printer. i can view my printer name with lpstat. but when i try to print to my printer using lpr -p printername nothing happens? my mission is to print out some 'man' pages. |
| 21:40.59 | sid | MangosDebian: What do you mean? |
| 21:41.00 | abrotman | MangosDebian: perhaps .. but i don't use it now .. i could probably barely do pointers in c/c++ anymore |
| 21:41.06 | helo | abrotman: didn't make a difference though :( |
| 21:41.15 | MangosDebian | sid: which statment? |
| 21:41.20 | abrotman | helo: does your alias user get mail ? |
| 21:41.26 | streuner | tarzeau: sure, but you would be right in time OT then ;-) |
| 21:41.33 | sid | tarzeau: I agree, I am very active in my GLUG. |
| 21:41.37 | helo | my alias user? |
| 21:41.41 | MangosDebian | abrotman: lol tell me about it. old age kicks in and pushes out the good stuff |
| 21:41.57 | sid | MangosDebian: About Razor911 and Myth using abrotman |
| 21:42.07 | abrotman | helo: in your /etc/aliases .. there hsould be a line like "root: helo" .. where helo is you .. and you get the mail .. and you need to run newaliases after oyu set it |
| 21:42.26 | tarzeau | streuner: i'm glad nobody asks me to go away in real life when being off-topic |
| 21:42.31 | MangosDebian | sid: i was refering to him in a skillset context, ie: asm graphic programmer |
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| 21:42.34 | helo | i want root mail to to to /var/mail/root |
| 21:42.38 | abrotman | why? |
| 21:42.45 | abrotman | root mail shouldn't go to root's mailbox |
| 21:42.50 | streuner | tarzeau: well, they will tell you, but maybe you dont listen |
| 21:43.00 | sid | MangosDebian: I thought you meant a particular software or something. like installshield |
| 21:43.01 | tarzeau | streuner: i'm quite a good listener |
| 21:43.06 | abrotman | lies! |
| 21:43.10 | streuner | haha |
| 21:43.20 | tarzeau | there are not abrotmans here |
| 21:43.27 | abrotman | MangosDebian: cleared up all the +I |
| 21:43.28 | tarzeau | s,t,,2 |
| 21:43.39 | abrotman | i wonder why fsck didn't catch it before .. oh well |
| 21:43.40 | MangosDebian | sid: no, the installers tended to have amazing graphical demo's and sound. pure asm in some of the older stuff |
| 21:43.44 | helo | abrotman: what if i'm a wreckless bastard, and i really want my root mail to go to root? |
| 21:43.57 | helo | reckless too |
| 21:43.58 | MangosDebian | sid: mid blowing speed to say the least on the older hardware back then |
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| 21:44.07 | MangosDebian | abrotman: serious? |
| 21:44.38 | abrotman | MangosDebian: yeah .. i ran fsck numerous times before at startup .. never caught those .. but after umount and fsck -f .. it cleaned them all |
| 21:44.40 | MangosDebian | abrotman: question though, don't you WANT +I? |
| 21:44.45 | streuner | tarzeau: every group has its own rules, if you dont respect them, you get serious problems _OR_ you are one of the leader :-) |
| 21:44.50 | abrotman | MangosDebian: not when it's not supposed to be there :) |
| 21:45.06 | abrotman | helo: then you won't get important mail |
| 21:45.11 | MangosDebian | abrotman: i thought you would want it set hehe. supposed to be a good thing (tm) |
| 21:45.24 | abrotman | MangosDebian: i'm not sure it would matter with cyrus |
| 21:46.00 | abrotman | cyrus has it's own index stuff |
| 21:46.22 | MangosDebian | ah, dir style? |
| 21:46.30 | abrotman | maildir is the one true way :) |
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| 21:46.34 | abrotman | unless you're a pop3 only server |
| 21:46.45 | MangosDebian | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:47.01 | MangosDebian | like squid i mean? |
| 21:47.09 | abrotman | i enjoy the horror stories of people that run mbox and the users have 1000+ messages and they try to delete a message from the middle |
| 21:47.18 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 21:47.23 | nemrak | hey |
| 21:47.29 | nemrak | what is the command to brighten the screen? |
| 21:47.29 | abrotman | and 1000+ isn't even that many |
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| 21:47.33 | nemrak | to increase the brightness |
| 21:47.42 | abrotman | hit the button on your monitor |
| 21:47.49 | MangosDebian | heh, gonna say |
| 21:47.55 | nemrak | but there is no button |
| 21:47.57 | nemrak | its a laptop |
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| 21:48.02 | MangosDebian | duh :) |
| 21:48.03 | nemrak | its Fn + Home |
| 21:48.06 | abrotman | the Fn+birghtness button |
| 21:48.10 | nemrak | it doesnt work |
| 21:48.13 | abrotman | what kind of laptop ? |
| 21:48.17 | abrotman | does turning it down work ? |
| 21:48.20 | nemrak | lenovo x61 thinkpad |
| 21:48.30 | nemrak | turning it down? |
| 21:48.33 | abrotman | !info tpb etch |
| 21:48.37 | dpkg | tpb: (program to use the IBM ThinkPad(tm) special keys), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.6.4-2.2 (etch), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 252 kB |
| 21:48.40 | MangosDebian | stay with us now.... |
| 21:48.46 | abrotman | that might help .. dunno |
| 21:48.50 | nemrak | yeah i have that |
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| 21:49.17 | nemrak | when i press Fn + Home a menue comes up and the brightness bar increases/decreases |
| 21:49.23 | MangosDebian | nemrak: i think what were saying is verify the Fn button works by trying to lower it |
| 21:49.27 | nemrak | but nothing actually happens to the brightness level |
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| 21:49.37 | MangosDebian | nm, that does verify it for Fn :) |
| 21:49.59 | nemrak | i think i can attach a command to fn + home though |
| 21:50.05 | nemrak | but i dont know the command to increase/derease |
| 21:50.06 | abrotman | nemrak: i find the levels to be very small |
| 21:50.08 | abrotman | in difference |
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| 21:50.20 | nemrak | abrotman, what do you mean. |
| 21:50.21 | nemrak | ? |
| 21:51.10 | abrotman | nemrak: basically i had to go all the way up/down to notice the differnece .. but mine is a bit older |
| 21:51.17 | abrotman | but the tpb might might you |
| 21:51.21 | abrotman | might help you |
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| 21:51.49 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 21:51.49 | dpkg | well, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
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| 21:52.21 | nemrak | abrotman, well the thing is that if i lower it all the way i dont see any difference, but if i reboot.. after it comes back up it is totally dark |
| 21:52.27 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:52.28 | abrotman | cute |
| 21:53.01 | ninnghizidha | May i tell the NFS-Server somehow, what permissions the (created) files get? |
| 21:53.31 | bzed | ninnghizidha: no, that's decided by the client |
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| 21:53.52 | MangosDebian | this aint samba :) |
| 21:54.03 | nemrak | any ideas? |
| 21:54.14 | MangosDebian | although i dont see a reason why it couldnt be set via the nfsd |
| 21:54.38 | MangosDebian | not like it would be a hard feature rather |
| 21:55.51 | helo | is it possible to setup per-user hosts files? |
| 21:56.24 | MangosDebian | ick, why would you want to even try? |
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| 21:57.07 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 21:57.22 | x_link | =/ |
| 21:57.43 | x_link | I really can't install the nvidia driver on Debian Testing with the new kernel 2.6.21-2-k7 |
| 21:57.45 | MangosDebian | i mean if you think its gonna be a security thing, its not (like if a host name appears to one and not another) |
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| 21:57.47 | helo | i have a script which modifies /etc/hosts... which requires root privelidges... the same system needs email to go to the same user that runs this script... so either i get mail sent to root to go to /var/mail/root, or i use a normal user and the script modifies a non-system hosts file |
| 21:57.50 | abrotman | pickcoder: oh come on "Hey bob, me and mike have a problem with SERVER1" mike in the background "NO it's SERVER2 idiot" |
| 21:57.57 | abrotman | doesn't that sound like fun ? |
| 21:58.07 | MangosDebian | hehe |
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| 21:58.29 | abrotman | helo: you can have the root mail go to another system |
| 21:58.33 | ninnghizidha | bzed, but ... that sucks ... no way around this? if i (me client) copies files to the nfs-server, the files wont be readable by the server-processes. |
| 21:58.35 | ninnghizidha | :( |
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| 21:58.39 | MangosDebian | helo: you shouldnt ever need to edit that file |
| 21:58.42 | pickcoder | abrotman: actually.. it's SERVER0 over here |
| 21:58.49 | bonez39 | is it possible to open email saved in character mode, with a gui email client? |
| 21:59.10 | abrotman | pickcoder: lies .. it's called ASDF here! |
| 21:59.16 | MangosDebian | bonez39: umm..... |
| 21:59.26 | pickcoder | helo: you can always split departments into subnets and give them different internal domains |
| 21:59.45 | MangosDebian | bonez39: you do realise _all_ email is text regardless of pretty html pictures you see right? |
| 21:59.45 | bzed | ninnghizidha: what is a server process for you? |
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| 22:00.11 | chops | abrotman: I'm working on a game wherein one level is split into four chunks; foo4 comes before foo3. The QA people call the levels chronologically (foo1, foo2, foo3, foo4) and the programmers call them by their filename (foo1, foo2, foo4, foo3). |
| 22:00.13 | chops | abrotman: Great fun. |
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| 22:00.26 | bzed | ninnghizidha: NFS uses the same use permission on the client and the client, you also need to make sure you have the same UIDs and GIDs on server and client. |
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| 22:00.28 | bonez39 | MangosDebian: yeah, I know...I use mutt normally...I get some email which has links.. click here etc... but there are no hypertext links behind them, if I view the message in plain text.... |
| 22:00.40 | abrotman | chops: you sohuld shoot the developers |
| 22:00.42 | helo | MangosDebian: i do, trust me |
| 22:00.43 | bonez39 | MangosDebian: so I am wondering how I would open the same email item, using thunderbird or otherwise... |
| 22:01.10 | MangosDebian | bonez39: save it as a .eml perhaps? |
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| 22:01.30 | chops | abrotman: That's actually a pretty minor reason to shoot the developers compared to some other ones. The game industry is not one where you find shockingly pleasant engineering. |
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| 22:01.55 | pickcoder | chops: it really depends on the company |
| 22:02.06 | mavhc | you don't have to maintain a game over many years |
| 22:02.09 | abrotman | chops: so i've heard |
| 22:02.16 | abrotman | :buckabeer |
| 22:02.20 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
| 22:02.20 | dpkg | from memory, buckabeer is time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
| 22:02.21 | MangosDebian | helo: why are you changing the hosts file? to alter the name or the ip associated with a system? |
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| 22:02.34 | abrotman | wtf |
| 22:02.37 | helo | HAHA :P |
| 22:02.39 | MangosDebian | rofl |
| 22:02.42 | abrotman | !bless helo |
| 22:02.43 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child helo, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 22:02.44 | MangosDebian | qotd that stuff! |
| 22:02.50 | helo | MangosDebian: exactly... |
| 22:02.56 | bonez39 | MangosDebian: I open the email in mutt, and hit s to save it..it only allows me to save the mssage to a specific folder, not to a different name, or with .eml extension |
| 22:03.00 | pickcoder | helo: setup a DNS server |
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| 22:03.05 | MangosDebian | helo: lol funny. but you want bind dns views |
| 22:03.10 | abrotman | !qotd194 |
| 22:03.10 | dpkg | * helo makes hosts a+rw and moves on |
| 22:03.14 | helo | woot |
| 22:03.16 | chops | abrotman: They're all pretty bad in my experience -- as mavhc said, you don't have to maintain a game once it ships, everything's on a tight schedule, everything's optimized all to hell, and a lot of people are attracted to the industry by the money... it's not a good combination |
| 22:03.22 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:03.29 | MangosDebian | helo: you can have a internal and external view or diff view for diff ip clients etc |
| 22:03.33 | toddobryan | Can anybody help me update my default Python version to 2.5? I've tried running "sudo pycentral updatedefault 2.4 2.5" but my python packages aren't updated. Even if I reinstall them. |
| 22:03.36 | MangosDebian | abrotman: thanks man :) |
| 22:03.39 | abrotman | later |
| 22:03.41 | pickcoder | chops: what games have you played that never offered patches after shipping? |
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| 22:03.50 | fyrestrtr | I have a strange problem. My tz doesn't stick. Everytime the system restarts, its reset to whatever it was when the system was first installed. |
| 22:04.04 | karsten | fyrestrtr: man tzconfig |
| 22:04.30 | karsten | fyrestrtr: check also to see if you're not getting timezone configuration from another source, eg: dhcp or similar. |
| 22:04.42 | fyrestrtr | karsten: no manual entry for tzconfig |
| 22:04.59 | karsten | fyrestrtr: Yeah, I'm seeing that too. |
| 22:05.00 | helo | pickcoder: care to donate dns server hardware? |
| 22:05.01 | MangosDebian | fyrestrtr: thats easy, dont restart |
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| 22:05.15 | karsten | !fuitsmite MangosDebian |
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| 22:05.22 | MangosDebian | karsten: :p |
| 22:05.32 | fyrestrtr | karsten: I already tried the tzselect |
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| 22:05.32 | pickcoder | helo: you can find a Pentium 1 easily for a few dollars |
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| 22:05.46 | pickcoder | actually I have a few P2's here you can have |
| 22:05.49 | pickcoder | if you pay for shipping |
| 22:05.49 | fyrestrtr | and it sets it correctly, but after a reboot, it is back to CDT. |
| 22:05.50 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 22:06.00 | tsocks | Azar: hello ;) |
| 22:06.07 | helo | i ahve 2 bucks to my name... maybe later :) |
| 22:06.43 | karsten | fyrestrtr: OK, I was about to suggest that next. |
| 22:06.47 | MangosDebian | helo: send em to a butcher, should be worth some decent cash :) |
| 22:06.50 | fyrestrtr | and why does netinstall cd only give US timezones as choices??? |
| 22:07.17 | fyrestrtr | karsten: it sets it correctly, but I lose it after reboot. So I am wondering if I should just export it in /etc/profile or is there another way to make it universal. |
| 22:08.13 | chops | fyrestrtr: Is your $TZ or $TIMEZONE environment variable set? |
| 22:08.17 | MangosDebian | fyrestrtr: whats /etc/timezone say? |
| 22:08.25 | chops | fyrestrtr: That'll override the system default I believe... |
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| 22:08.52 | fyrestrtr | America/Chicago |
| 22:08.56 | pickcoder | chops: a lot of the big names who make popular sequal games and new releases tend to release games before they are 100% run through by QC. Games are so extensive these days that there is no way that QC can completely debug a game within fan's patience limits |
| 22:08.59 | fyrestrtr | is that a symlink? |
| 22:09.03 | pickcoder | sequel even |
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| 22:09.54 | subx | ive cracked it, if u use cups use lp instead of lpr :D |
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| 22:10.47 | MangosDebian | subx: cracked what? enigma machine? or linux printing? :) |
| 22:11.10 | Rub3n1 | can you help me? |
| 22:11.20 | subx | o_O |
| 22:11.23 | Rub3n1 | with -> gem install ...; that install rails in this directory /var/lib/gems/1.8/gems/, but it doesn't appear in the gems in the default path, i |
| 22:11.29 | subx | how do u know enigma ! |
| 22:11.32 | karsten | fyrestrtr: If nothing else: echo <timezone> > /etc/timezone |
| 22:11.39 | Rub3n1 | ..how i add that directory in the gem's default path? |
| 22:11.42 | MangosDebian | subx: linux printing is one imho :) |
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| 22:11.45 | karsten | fyrestrtr: ... and check /etc/init.d/ for anything which might be messing with that. |
| 22:11.50 | MangosDebian | voodoo! |
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| 22:12.24 | Rub3n1 | any help to me? |
| 22:12.46 | fyrestrtr | I'll restart and try it out. |
| 22:12.55 | MangosDebian | Rub3n1: gems default path or your users path? |
| 22:13.13 | x_link | Hi. |
| 22:13.31 | MangosDebian | Rub3n1: /etc/profile perhaps? or you can go on a per user basis via ~/.bash_profile? |
| 22:13.32 | Rub3n1 | hi, have one question , i instaled ruby in my linux box i use debian 4.0, i instaled ruby and ruby-gems, today i instaled a rails and it's dependencies localy with -> gem install ...; that install rails in this directory /var/lib/gems/1.8/gems/, but it doesn't appear in the gems in the default path, i |
| 22:13.33 | peter_ | Hello :) |
| 22:13.34 | Rub3n1 | ..how i add that directory in the gem's default path? |
| 22:13.37 | x_link | I just ran sudo alsaconf and selected my soundcard. But I get an error when I try to play a song. |
| 22:14.00 | chops | x_link: What error, pray tell? |
| 22:14.16 | x_link | Please check that: |
| 22:14.28 | x_link | Your soundcard is configured properly. |
| 22:14.47 | MangosDebian | Rub3n1: or do you mean in path for your include files? |
| 22:14.51 | x_link | You have the correct output plugin selected |
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| 22:15.05 | x_link | No other program is blocking the soundcard |
| 22:15.10 | x_link | I get that message. |
| 22:15.22 | x_link | But I don't have any other "music-program" running. |
| 22:15.23 | MangosDebian | Rub3n1: sorry i dont do ruby, was thinking there were executables there you wanted to run via your path |
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| 22:15.29 | matadon | How do you go about giving hot-pluggable USB devices persistent device names? |
| 22:15.51 | Supaplex | matadon: label the drive, and create a udev rule for it? |
| 22:15.56 | MangosDebian | matadon: /etc/udev? |
| 22:15.57 | Supaplex | drive/partition |
| 22:16.08 | x_link | Can somebody please help me with that? |
| 22:16.14 | matadon | Supaplex: In this case, they're printers. |
| 22:16.19 | x_link | I just wrote the error I get. |
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| 22:17.03 | MangosDebian | matadon: udev can set names based on just about any field the that the usb device reports. including serial numbers, model numbers, manufacturers etc |
| 22:17.17 | Rub3n1 | MangosDebian: i need to install rails in my pc, i instaled that and the instalation directory it's /var/lib/gems/1.8/gems and the rails executable doesn't appear in my path |
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| 22:17.28 | Supaplex | x_link: make sure ordinary oss modules are not loaded, and try strace to see what devices are being accessed and how. eg, strace -e open /usr/bin/... |
| 22:18.09 | MangosDebian | Rub3n1: any binary wouldnt be in /var/lib if you used a debian package. its against FHS or whatever its called. dpkg -L the package and see what it put where |
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| 22:18.29 | MangosDebian | !fhs |
| 22:18.29 | dpkg | i heard fhs is Unlike Gobolinux or OS X, Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the debian-policy package |
| 22:18.55 | x_link | Supaplex: strace -e open /usr/bin/ should I do that command? |
| 22:18.58 | Rub3n1 | MangosDebian: I installed rails with the the gems package manager |
| 22:19.07 | MangosDebian | at least i would assume that ruby biaries arent expected to be writable |
| 22:19.13 | x_link | Supaplex: You have to excuse me, my english is not very good =/ |
| 22:19.27 | toddobryan | How can I install a single package from unstable? |
| 22:19.42 | MangosDebian | Rub3n1: well, ill take your word that there are binaries there. vim /etc/profile and add it to your path then relog or source /etc/profile |
| 22:19.51 | x_link | toddobryan: Add the Sid repository into /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:20.05 | x_link | toddobryan: But DON |
| 22:20.12 | x_link | toddobryan: But DON'T remove your current one. |
| 22:20.13 | pickcoder | !tell toddobryan about simple sid backport |
| 22:20.35 | x_link | Supaplex: I get 2 lines when I run that command |
| 22:20.47 | x_link | Supaplex: sedde@sedde:~$ strace -e open /usr/bin/ |
| 22:20.47 | x_link | strace: exec: Permission denied |
| 22:20.47 | x_link | Process 28760 detached |
| 22:20.50 | x_link | I get that. |
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| 22:22.07 | toddobryan | pickcoder: How do I ask about backports? |
| 22:22.16 | MangosDebian | x_link: you try strace as root? |
| 22:22.25 | pickcoder | toddobryan: /msg dpkg <keywords> |
| 22:22.45 | toddobryan | pickcoder: Thanks! |
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| 22:23.15 | x_link | MangosDebian: I tried it as root as well yes, got the same error |
| 22:23.40 | MangosDebian | toddobryan: /msg dpkg listvalues <keywork in body of factoid> or listkeys <part of a keyword> |
| 22:23.50 | x_link | strace -e open /usr/bin, is that the command I should do? |
| 22:24.12 | MangosDebian | x_link: you want to open a dir and run it on a new vt? |
| 22:25.02 | runev | is it only by default that i can't paste stuff from the clipboard into xterm, do i need another terminal for that, or is there an option i can change for it? also quite annoying that i can't hit alt+1, alt+2 etc to switch windows using irssi with xterm |
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| 22:26.21 | x_link | MangosDebian: I honestly don't know, just doing what Supaplex told me. |
| 22:26.32 | x_link | MangosDebian: I don't get any sound when try to play a song. |
| 22:26.48 | x_link | I did --> sudo alsconf and selected my soundcard. But it still doesn't work. |
| 22:27.05 | x_link | MangosDebian: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30493/ I get that errormessage |
| 22:27.39 | MangosDebian | x_link: the open command starts a program and runs it on a spare vt "man open". so your command would have wanted to "run" a directory. not possible, thus cannot be strace'd |
| 22:27.57 | peterS | x_link: ok does 'cat /proc/asound/cards' say anything interesting about your sound chip? |
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| 22:28.25 | x_link | peterS: I will see |
| 22:28.31 | MangosDebian | x_link: does sound work for anything else? |
| 22:28.32 | sayers | Hello does testing have AMD64 Java package? |
| 22:28.41 | x_link | MangosDebian: No, I don't get any sound at all. |
| 22:28.58 | peterS | sayers: yes, according to 'rmadison sun-java6-bin' |
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| 22:29.04 | peterS | sayers: (rmadison is in the 'devscripts' package) |
| 22:29.05 | pickcoder | !java etch |
| 22:29.06 | MangosDebian | x_link: is your sound card detected in dmesg? module loaded? |
| 22:29.16 | sayers | pickcoder, AMD64 |
| 22:29.19 | x_link | peterS: cat: /proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory |
| 22:29.30 | x_link | MangosDebian: I don't know if the module is loaded. |
| 22:29.33 | x_link | MangosDebian: How can I see that? |
| 22:29.50 | MangosDebian | x_link: lsmod, but that would depend on your knowing the module to load :) |
| 22:29.56 | peterS | x_link: ok so hmmm. do you know what kind of sound card you have? |
| 22:30.26 | peterS | x_link: all else fails, 'lspci | grep audio' |
| 22:30.29 | MangosDebian | x_link: i suppose you could try modprobe sound, but i think that requires the actual sound card driver to be loaded first and thus may not auto load |
| 22:30.47 | peterS | MangosDebian: uh ... 'sound' is just the generic OSS infrastructure, without a sound module it is pointless |
| 22:30.56 | pickcoder | sayers: there's a sun-java5 package here |
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| 22:30.59 | x_link | peterS: Yes, it's an Creative Labs SoundBlstar 5.1 |
| 22:31.10 | peterS | x_link: ok so do this: 'lsmod | grep emu10' |
| 22:31.10 | MangosDebian | peterS: thats what i thought |
| 22:31.19 | x_link | MangosDebian: emu101k1 is the file or something |
| 22:31.22 | x_link | or driver |
| 22:31.37 | MangosDebian | ahh, creative labs sb live or higher? |
| 22:31.38 | peterS | x_link: my theory is that you've got two modules loaded, 'emu10k1' and 'snd_emu10k1'. is this the case? |
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| 22:32.04 | x_link | peterS: That can be it, but I'm not sure. |
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| 22:32.14 | MangosDebian | x_link: lsmod | grep emu |
| 22:32.15 | peterS | x_link: I told you how to find out. kindly do that now. |
| 22:32.23 | x_link | peterS: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30495/ |
| 22:32.25 | peterS | MangosDebian: pay attention, I'm way ahead of you |
| 22:32.50 | peterS | x_link: ok so neither of the two modules I mentioned are loaded. try |
| 22:32.51 | x_link | peterS: That's the output of the command you told me to run |
| 22:32.58 | MangosDebian | peterS: sorry, didnt see your grep ;) |
| 22:33.00 | peterS | x_link: try 'modprobe snd_emu10k1' |
| 22:33.16 | x_link | modprobe: command not found |
| 22:33.23 | peterS | as root |
| 22:33.24 | MangosDebian | interesting it picked up the gp and not the card itself though |
| 22:33.29 | sayers | pickcoder, for AMD64? |
| 22:33.35 | x_link | peterS: Sorry, did that now. It jumped down a line. |
| 22:33.37 | pickcoder | yes |
| 22:33.43 | peterS | x_link: so now 'cat /proc/asound/cards' again |
| 22:33.50 | peterS | see if it found it |
| 22:33.53 | MangosDebian | peterS: is probably was root, which lsmod, is /sbin |
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| 22:34.04 | peterS | MangosDebian: still way ahead of you |
| 22:34.14 | pickcoder | 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 22:34.19 | x_link | peterS: As root or it doesn't matter? |
| 22:34.22 | MangosDebian | peterS: then why did he get command not found for modprobe and not lsmod? |
| 22:34.25 | MangosDebian | hmmmm? |
| 22:34.26 | peterS | MangosDebian: as it happens, lsmod is in /bin now |
| 22:34.30 | x_link | peterS: It found it now =) |
| 22:34.37 | x_link | peterS: Want to see? |
| 22:34.43 | MangosDebian | peterS: not on my box. lenny in /bin? |
| 22:34.51 | peterS | x_link: no. so now run 'alsamixer' and adjust your volume - it may be muted.. |
| 22:34.56 | x_link | peterS: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30496/ |
| 22:35.02 | x_link | peterS: Okej |
| 22:35.02 | tarzeau | can someone check if the legend is right with konqueror? http://doorbell.ethz.ch/ |
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| 22:35.07 | peterS | MangosDebian: odd, I thought that transition was done quite awhile ago |
| 22:35.12 | x_link | peterS: Should I run "alsaconf" again? |
| 22:35.35 | peterS | x_link: no, you already tries that and it failed. just run alsamixer so you can adjust your volume, then try playing your regular apps to see if you get sound |
| 22:35.39 | MangosDebian | peterS: im etch and its still sbin, so your boy neglected to mention something or running ubuntu or some other debian based :) |
| 22:35.40 | x_link | peterS: Ohh NICE, the sound works now =) |
| 22:35.53 | x_link | I didn't have to run alsamixer |
| 22:36.00 | peterS | MangosDebian: do 'ls -l' on it, see if it is a symlink to /bin/lsmod. it is on my box. |
| 22:36.13 | x_link | peterS: Man, thanks ALOT. I REALLY appreicate it ALOT!. |
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| 22:36.18 | peterS | x_link: good deal. ok. now add the line 'snd_emu10k1' to the /etc/modules file, so it will load next time you boot |
| 22:36.21 | x_link | I' REALLY greatfull man, thanks ALOT! |
| 22:36.25 | peterS | no problem |
| 22:36.28 | x_link | =) |
| 22:36.31 | x_link | MangosDebian: Thanks ALOT! |
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| 22:36.36 | x_link | peterS: I have another problem as well =/ |
| 22:36.42 | x_link | That's my only problem left. |
| 22:36.44 | MangosDebian | peterS: ah yes, your right :) symlink, but which only reports first match. |
| 22:37.05 | peterS | MangosDebian: so in other words, you have /sbin in your path. that is not a debian default unless you are root. |
| 22:37.06 | cafuego | indeed |
| 22:37.09 | MangosDebian | x_link: ? what are you thanking me for ;) |
| 22:37.21 | x_link | MangosDebian: You helped me? |
| 22:37.29 | MangosDebian | peterS: which is what I ran `which lsmod` as |
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| 22:37.59 | peterS | MangosDebian: try 'type -a' instead of which (: |
| 22:38.00 | jrwr | i broke APT Super Cow Power |
| 22:38.04 | x_link | peterS: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30498/ |
| 22:38.05 | Skyrail | What programming language is Debian written in? |
| 22:38.14 | MangosDebian | x_link: funny, i thought peterS helped you on that one ;) but hey, np |
| 22:38.16 | chaoticflaws | BASIC |
| 22:38.16 | x_link | peterS: That's my /etc/modules, is it right? |
| 22:38.17 | chaoticflaws | ;) |
| 22:38.17 | peterS | Skyrail: mostly Fortran |
| 22:38.24 | jelly-home | Skyrail: a lot of them |
| 22:38.25 | streuner | Skyrail: Perl :-) |
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| 22:38.29 | Skyrail | haha |
| 22:38.30 | streuner | peterS: hehe |
| 22:38.30 | x_link | MangosDebian: You helped me as well. I'm greatfull for that =) |
| 22:38.34 | peterS | x_link: looks fine to me |
| 22:38.35 | MangosDebian | heh np |
| 22:38.41 | sayers | Is it possible to install flash on AMD64? |
| 22:38.45 | x_link | peterS: Nice, thanks once again. Really appreicate it. |
| 22:38.50 | MangosDebian | lol fortran |
| 22:38.51 | Skyrail | Ok, let me rephrase, what's the main base of debian or even just the kernel is it written in? |
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| 22:38.57 | jrwr | What does dpkg: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' for reading: such file or directory |
| 22:38.58 | peterS | x_link: np. now you said you had another question.. |
| 22:39.07 | peterS | Skyrail: the kernel is Linux, which is written in C |
| 22:39.09 | x_link | peterS: Should I tell you about my other problem, or should I be quiet for a while now? |
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| 22:39.12 | x_link | =) |
| 22:39.12 | chaoticflaws | C |
| 22:39.15 | jrwr | Skyrail, on X86 its C C++ and ASM |
| 22:39.16 | MangosDebian | Skyrail: kernel C, lots of utils in debian perl |
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| 22:39.17 | tehtechman | sayers: yeah but theres only a 32 bit version so youd have to use a 32bit browser |
| 22:39.18 | x_link | peterS: Ohh o. I will tell you. |
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| 22:39.41 | Skyrail | Ok thanks people, I'm still lol'ing over Fortran heh |
| 22:39.41 | jelly-home | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD kernel is C too. |
| 22:39.43 | sayers | tehtechman, why are they so evil over at Adobe? |
| 22:39.51 | x_link | peterS: When I do sudo aptitude upgrade sudo aptitude dist-upgrade it upgrades my kernel to 2.6.21-2-k7 and I like/want that. |
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| 22:39.59 | x_link | But I can't install the nvidia driver. |
| 22:40.00 | tehtechman | sayers: bad ppl run the world |
| 22:40.06 | tarzeau | Skyrail: why? |
| 22:40.19 | tarzeau | Skyrail: many scientists still use it |
| 22:40.20 | peterS | x_link: don't ask me about that, I don't use that driver (don't have a nvidia card, and if I did, I'd probably still just use the free driver). |
| 22:40.29 | sayers | x_link, Use the Nvidia driver from their site |
| 22:40.37 | x_link | I installed all the nvidia packages and downloaded the nvidia driver from www.nvidia.com, didn't work. Then I tried the Debian Way, that didn't work either. |
| 22:40.54 | x_link | peterS: You mean the "nv" ? |
| 22:40.57 | tarzeau | chaoticflaws: we gonna get www.freebasic.net hehe basic.istheshit.net |
| 22:41.02 | x_link | sayers: Do you have 2.6.21-2-k7 kernel? |
| 22:41.11 | peterS | x_link: yeah. but the question is not important since I don't have an nvidia card |
| 22:41.18 | x_link | Okej, sorry. |
| 22:41.26 | sayers | x_link, i dont even have Debian installed I just needed to know I could get Java |
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| 22:41.30 | x_link | When I install and reboot I lose my GUI. |
| 22:41.32 | sayers | Ill be switching soon |
| 22:41.40 | x_link | sayers: Okej. |
| 22:41.55 | x_link | Shame, cause I really want to install the nvidia driver. |
| 22:42.04 | sayers | x_link, are you installing a Environment or what? |
| 22:42.23 | x_link | sayers: I have KDE, but when I install the nvidia driver and when I reboot I lose the GUI. |
| 22:42.34 | x_link | sayers: I NEVER had this problem with 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 22:43.19 | pickcoder | long live Pick / MV |
| 22:43.41 | peterS | oh wow. that still exists? |
| 22:43.53 | pickcoder | in one form or another |
| 22:44.38 | peterS | I had no idea that 'pickcoder' really meant that |
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| 22:45.16 | pickcoder | I started on Advanced Pick Pro, when it was still a self-contained OS and DBMS |
| 22:45.28 | chaoticflaws | tarzeau: hellz yah! |
| 22:45.29 | sayers | x_link, why do you like KDE ? just intrested |
| 22:45.53 | pickcoder | D3/Linux came about and Universe on Windows changed the arch into a VME |
| 22:46.03 | pickcoder | fun stuff |
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| 22:46.46 | terlmann | I am upgrading to lenny. will I have xorg 7.3 and other similar packages? |
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| 22:47.05 | peterS | terlmann: 7.2 |
| 22:47.12 | streuner | !info xserver-xorg testing |
| 22:47.18 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.2-5 (lenny), Packaged size: 428 kB, Installed size: 1296 kB |
| 22:47.33 | terlmann | when 7.3 ? |
| 22:47.42 | streuner | when its ready :-) |
| 22:47.53 | pickcoder | peterS: check out www.openqm.org |
| 22:47.57 | terlmann | is aiglx enabled by default ? |
| 22:47.57 | peterS | terlmann: note however that it doesn't really make sense anymore to talk about "xorg 7.3" as though it were one big piece. it is lots of small pieces now, and they can be (and are) updated in the debian archive individually |
| 22:48.03 | terlmann | I know |
| 22:48.05 | peterS | terlmann: yes, I think so |
| 22:48.08 | terlmann | k |
| 22:48.23 | terlmann | I am trying debian after ubuntu |
| 22:48.29 | streuner | why? |
| 22:48.31 | terlmann | and its certainly cleaner |
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| 22:48.39 | terlmann | a bit older though |
| 22:49.13 | peterS | I think the 16x12 dual head resolution is more important than the opengl, given the choice between those two |
| 22:49.29 | Skyrail | tarzeau: yes I know, I'm planning on learning it when I get to uni :) |
| 22:49.30 | terlmann | I wantz opengl 3.0 ;0( |
| 22:49.30 | peterS | so I haven't "fixed" aiglx by lowering my resolution or disabling a head |
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| 22:49.48 | tarzeau | Skyrail: not sure if people still learn it... |
| 22:49.49 | peterS | 3D just isn't worth it to me, it's good for xscreensaver and not much else |
| 22:49.51 | x_link | sayers: Why shouldn't I like it? =) |
| 22:49.58 | terlmann | 3d is for gaming |
| 22:49.59 | tarzeau | peterS: sauerbraten!!! http://www.quadropolis.us/node/729 |
| 22:50.00 | Skyrail | tarzeau: bringing out Fortran 2008 next year |
| 22:50.03 | terlmann | I sauer |
| 22:50.11 | tarzeau | terlmann: hey and some scientific work |
| 22:50.16 | MangosDebian | peterS: perhaps, but that compiz-fusion stuff looks very well developed |
| 22:50.18 | terlmann | but I dont think the package in testing is any good |
| 22:50.24 | terlmann | get the tarball |
| 22:50.29 | jrwr | I broke dpkg,,,, |
| 22:50.30 | jrwr | dpkg: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 22:50.30 | jrwr | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 22:50.38 | terlmann | and install everything with sdl in the repo |
| 22:50.42 | pickcoder | it's only been around since the middle-ages |
| 22:50.45 | peterS | MangosDebian: it looks nice for demoing to your friends about how much cooler your OS is. since I don't have the kinds of friends who are impressed by that, though.... |
| 22:50.46 | Aubustou_ | hello |
| 22:50.57 | Aubustou_ | i have problems with images on my Debian server |
| 22:51.07 | Skyrail | pickcoder: never heard of it >.> |
| 22:51.08 | terlmann | I sauer daily ;-) |
| 22:51.10 | Aubustou_ | they don't show up :/ |
| 22:51.16 | terlmann | and I build my own client from source |
| 22:51.20 | Aubustou_ | on webpages |
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| 22:51.31 | x_link | Anybody here running 2.6.21-2 kernel and using the nvidia driver? |
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| 22:51.42 | terlmann | that reminds me. |
| 22:51.42 | x_link | I would REALLY appreciate some help. |
| 22:51.56 | MangosDebian | peterS: i hear ya. curious if its actually benifictial to productivity beyond standard mutliple desktops. some of the view features looked neat, like the panarama one |
| 22:52.00 | PiousMinion | The ide cable on my hd came loose while my pc was running. I fixed the problem, but for some reason every time I go to run e2fsck it tells me it has a bad superblock. I've tried others to no avail. What are my options for repairing this filesystem? |
| 22:52.05 | terlmann | !info linux-kernel testing |
| 22:52.08 | peterS | MangosDebian: it is possible. I'm not terribly interested at the moment though |
| 22:52.26 | terlmann | !info kernel testing |
| 22:52.34 | terlmann | no kernel |
| 22:52.45 | peterS | PiousMinion: when you said you "tried others", what do you mean? |
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| 22:53.01 | terlmann | when can lenny users see -22 , the latest ? |
| 22:53.05 | MangosDebian | peterS: ya, i would like to try it on my wks, but I think i would sooner wait until ati releases their source, or a better gl version of the oss ati driver is made. shouldnt have to install closed source binary to test gl imgo |
| 22:53.09 | MangosDebian | imho* |
| 22:53.09 | PiousMinion | peterS: Other superblocks with the -b option. |
| 22:53.30 | x_link | terlmann: You're not using 2.6.21....right? |
| 22:53.35 | terlmann | I dont know |
| 22:53.41 | terlmann | just installed |
| 22:53.42 | peterS | MangosDebian: maybe at some point I should disable my second head, to see if the xorg matrox driver actually does reasonable 3D |
| 22:53.49 | terlmann | upgrading to lenny now |
| 22:53.53 | peterS | I mean, it's supposed to, but I've never tested it |
| 22:54.04 | MangosDebian | peterS: i thought maxtrox specialty was multi head? |
| 22:54.28 | peterS | MangosDebian: yeah but when you have 16 MB on the card, and you want to do 1600x1200 24-bit color on both heads, there isn't much left for opengl |
| 22:54.33 | terlmann | if glxgears does better than 5000 with no errors what so ever from console , youve got decent graphix |
| 22:54.37 | peterS | MangosDebian: not enough, in fact, for aiglx to even initialise |
| 22:54.47 | terlmann | thats not good |
| 22:54.48 | MangosDebian | peterS: ouch ya. how old if it? |
| 22:54.49 | x_link | terlmann: Ahh okej, never used Debian before? |
| 22:54.52 | PiousMinion | peterS: Ideas for my filesystems issues? |
| 22:54.52 | terlmann | ya |
| 22:54.55 | MangosDebian | is* |
| 22:54.56 | peterS | MangosDebian: no idea. I bought the card on ebay |
| 22:54.57 | tarzeau | is it a bug if gv segfaults when you rename it into not.gv ? |
| 22:54.57 | pickcoder | peterS: I'm going to be listing some video cards on ebay soon |
| 22:54.58 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 22:55.05 | terlmann | ubuntu but not the mother ship ;-) |
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| 22:55.23 | peterS | pickcoder: if you have a G450 or G550 with 32 MB on it and two heads, I might be interested. I do like matroxes |
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| 22:56.45 | pickcoder | they're mostly ATI or NV |
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| 22:57.54 | terlmann | how good is the bsd kernel compared to the linux one ? |
| 22:58.30 | streuner | well, the main thing is for Linux, it supports more hardware |
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| 22:59.12 | terlmann | will bsd support a via chipset with pata hardware and a r200 chip on aiglx? |
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| 22:59.38 | streuner | Via is tha crap |
| 22:59.47 | peterS | most of the bsd fans talk about the superior firewall subsystem in the free BSD kernels. I don't know if there are other advantages of the BSD kernels or not |
| 22:59.49 | streuner | Via doesnt support anything |
| 22:59.58 | terlmann | via is great |
| 23:00.07 | terlmann | well really |
| 23:00.10 | terlmann | not via |
| 23:00.16 | terlmann | gigabyte |
| 23:00.24 | streuner | isnt that Intel? |
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| 23:00.39 | peterS | no, I have a gigabyte with via 823x chips on it. that's my main computer. |
| 23:00.44 | terlmann | I would wish for a solid-state gigabyte chip with intel sound and 4 gigs of ram. |
| 23:01.15 | terlmann | mine is giga-based , but via labeled |
| 23:01.24 | terlmann | really via is making progress |
| 23:01.30 | terlmann | but the drivers are crap |
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| 23:01.38 | peterS | at the time I bought this computer, athlon xp was the best processor for the money, and this motherboard had everything I needed (and some things I didn't), so. |
| 23:01.51 | peterS | and I've never had _any_ problems with linux drivers on this thing |
| 23:01.56 | terlmann | me either |
| 23:02.07 | terlmann | but I dont use the built in graphixs |
| 23:02.09 | slid3r | can anyone point me to a good repos sources.list? (I am in the US) |
| 23:02.11 | streuner | well, you are lucky both then |
| 23:02.24 | streuner | because Via doesnt support Linux at all |
| 23:02.31 | peterS | slid3r: http://p12n.org/tmp/sources.list.etch |
| 23:02.35 | terlmann | slid3r : you dont need a seperate sources |
| 23:02.44 | terlmann | non-us is no longer req |
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| 23:03.11 | terlmann | us.debian is a good server for locality |
| 23:03.12 | slid3r | neat |
| 23:03.14 | slid3r | thx much |
| 23:03.27 | terlmann | via doesnt support linux ? |
| 23:03.32 | terlmann | neither does sapphire |
| 23:03.37 | terlmann | I use both |
| 23:03.42 | terlmann | damm chinise |
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| 23:03.57 | terlmann | but |
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| 23:04.03 | terlmann | if they keep it up |
| 23:04.08 | peterS | my motherboard even comes with an awesomely cool ethernet chip, the 8139 |
| 23:04.13 | terlmann | someday I can get Free computers! |
| 23:04.41 | peterS | the 8139 is even higher quality engineering than the via chips on here |
| 23:04.41 | streuner | peterS: feel free to edit the factoid then :-) |
| 23:04.44 | terlmann | I personally think the Rhine series is reliable. It's a good chip. |
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| 23:05.13 | peterS | what can I say - I know the 8139 is supposed to be crap, but by golly, they've always _worked_ for me, and the linux driver is pretty solid. |
| 23:05.26 | terlmann | ethernet is solid as a technology. |
| 23:05.33 | peterS | (they aren't efficient, but I am limited by a DSL line, so I don't really need 100 Mbit line speed anyway) |
| 23:05.51 | terlmann | screw 802.11 * , I want my gigabit erthernet |
| 23:06.24 | terlmann | lets lay reinforced ethernet cable all across the country |
| 23:06.47 | terlmann | F*ck thin clients |
| 23:06.56 | terlmann | I want MY raw Power! |
| 23:07.02 | peterS | hey if you have gig-e you can do anything you want with a thin client and never know the difference |
| 23:07.20 | peterS | this was not true of, say, 10baseT |
| 23:08.11 | peterS | and I rather doubt it is true of Bluetooth (: |
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| 23:09.00 | cobar | i accidentally deleted the symlink from libc.so.6 to the libc shared object. what is the easiest way to fix this (ln/cp don't work since they depend on it) |
| 23:09.02 | terlmann | yea peterS , thin client. so someone can F*CK with the machine on the other end and you'd be unable to do anything! |
| 23:09.33 | peterS | terlmann: "a distributed system is one on which I can't get any work done because a machine I've never heard of somewhere has crashed." - Leslie Lamport |
| 23:09.53 | peterS | (quote is from memory, it may not be exact) |
| 23:10.07 | terlmann | Point proven. Give my my thick client FTW |
| 23:10.20 | terlmann | (and I can game on it ;-) ) |
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| 23:10.53 | peterS | hey you don't consider nethack a game? |
| 23:11.05 | peterS | nethack is perfect for thin clients (read: vt100 terminals) |
| 23:11.05 | tarzeau | best game ever! |
| 23:11.15 | streuner | argh |
| 23:11.17 | terlmann | well Unreal turnament and Sauerbraten are more appealing |
| 23:11.26 | tarzeau | terlmann: ever ascended? |
| 23:11.28 | terlmann | having the multiplayer element |
| 23:11.32 | tarzeau | peterS: can they do colors? |
| 23:11.33 | terlmann | in Kol ? |
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| 23:11.56 | peterS | the pure vt100 can't. most emulators can. |
| 23:12.21 | tarzeau | colors are important in nethack |
| 23:12.48 | peterS | also let us not forget that great game, aptitude's built-in minesweeper |
| 23:12.56 | stew | they can do colors, both amber and black |
| 23:13.03 | terlmann | aptitude ? |
| 23:13.05 | tarzeau | and www.mtp-target.org |
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| 23:13.10 | terlmann | the Package manager? |
| 23:13.13 | peterS | yes |
| 23:13.14 | stew | terlmann: yes |
| 23:13.19 | terlmann | how do you access it ? |
| 23:13.23 | peterS | check the menus sometime, it includes a minesweeper mode |
| 23:13.27 | stew | terlmann: the actions menu |
| 23:13.30 | terlmann | huh. |
| 23:13.37 | peterS | under "Actions" |
| 23:13.57 | terlmann | well Ive heard of Super Cow Mode or something like that , any Idea what it stands for ? |
| 23:13.58 | stew | terlmann: ctrl-t p |
| 23:14.24 | stew | terlmann: apt-get moo ; aptitude moo ; aptitude -v moo ; aptitude -vv moo ; etc |
| 23:14.28 | peterS | it is not super cow mode. it is Super Cow Powers, which are the powers that apt has |
| 23:14.43 | peterS | you must respect the Super Cow Powers |
| 23:14.54 | terlmann | aha. |
| 23:15.23 | terlmann | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:15.32 | peterS | stew: what amuses me is that the whole egg is localised to other languages |
| 23:16.02 | peterS | so nice of the maintainers to mark those strings as translatable |
| 23:16.12 | stew | hah |
| 23:16.15 | stew | didn't know that |
| 23:16.31 | x_link | I use 2.6.21-486 kernel right now. But I have an AMD Athlon 64 x2 processor. Shouldn't I use 2.6.21-k7 then? |
| 23:16.34 | peterS | $ LC_MESSAGES=fr_FR@euro aptitude moo |
| 23:16.34 | peterS | Il n'y a pas d'oeufs de Pques dans ce programme. |
| 23:16.42 | apk | Man. dist-upgrade is slow on a pentium classic. |
| 23:16.51 | x_link | I heard that -k7 is for people that has AMD Athlon CPUs? |
| 23:16.56 | peterS | x_link: correct |
| 23:17.03 | terlmann | do the super cow powers come in chocolate , vanilla and strawberry flavors ? |
| 23:17.14 | x_link | peterS: Okej. |
| 23:17.15 | terlmann | xlink |
| 23:17.20 | x_link | peterS: Is it bad to not use it? |
| 23:17.21 | stew | perhaps with a vanilla kernel |
| 23:17.22 | terlmann | you should use 64 bit |
| 23:17.23 | x_link | terlmann: ? |
| 23:17.36 | x_link | terlmann: Why? |
| 23:17.36 | peterS | x_link: the -686 kernel is really very similar |
| 23:17.36 | x_link | peterS: Okej. |
| 23:17.56 | peterS | I use the -k7 kernel because it's slightly more specialised, but really, I don't think I'd notice a difference with the -686 kernel |
| 23:18.14 | terlmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.23 | peterS | terlmann: yes, we get it. we know how to do that too. |
| 23:18.51 | stew | x_link: and duron, thunderbird, sempron, etc |
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| 23:19.12 | terlmann | well how do I give it super cow powers ? |
| 23:19.17 | Valdrone | lol is this the gentoo help line |
| 23:19.18 | x_link | stew: Okej. |
| 23:19.24 | peterS | terlmann: if you really want super cow powers, apt-get --help |
| 23:19.40 | peterS | terlmann: that should make you feel better, help you get over the anxiety of the missing Super Cow Powers |
| 23:19.46 | x_link | Which nvidia files is needed to install the nvidia driver? |
| 23:19.55 | Valdrone | Super cow powers!? In debian!? Time to go back to Ubuntu! |
| 23:19.55 | x_link | Maybe I'm missing something... |
| 23:20.05 | terlmann | well I want aptitude to have them |
| 23:20.08 | spheard | my apt came with supercow powers as standard |
| 23:20.13 | peterS | terlmann: you'd better start hacking then |
| 23:20.13 | dwon | Valdrone: Ubuntu has it too! muahahahaha! |
| 23:20.19 | terlmann | aww |
| 23:20.29 | krazykit | heh, "aptitude moo" says "There are no Easter Eggs in this program. |
| 23:20.38 | peterS | krazykit: yes, we know |
| 23:20.43 | terlmann | try it with -vvvv |
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| 23:20.53 | peterS | stew: see what you started? |
| 23:21.13 | stew | /aq stew |
| 23:21.14 | peterS | this is worse than the 'ometer |
| 23:21.15 | spheard | terlmann WOW |
| 23:21.18 | krazykit | that's ludicrous |
| 23:21.21 | peterS | stew: I almost thought about it (: |
| 23:21.23 | Tapout | I'm having troubles.. my crontab isn't starting, not mailing me.. the syntax is correct.. I've restarted crontab and it still wont' execute... anyone have a suggestion? |
| 23:21.42 | yomguy | x_link: maybe you could get linux-image-2.6.21-2-amd64 ? |
| 23:22.09 | peterS | yomguy: yes, well, when he tried that, he couldn't get his non-free graphics driver to work |
| 23:22.19 | spheard | Tapout: is it in top? |
| 23:22.27 | peterS | or perhaps that was also true with a 32-bit kernel |
| 23:22.34 | Valdrone | Is Debian > Gentoo? |
| 23:22.42 | peterS | Valdrone: no, best you can say is Debian != Gentoo |
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| 23:22.49 | apk | Are apples better than oranges? |
| 23:22.53 | Valdrone | Wow, didn't expect that |
| 23:23.08 | x_link | yomguy: But I don't run amd64 debian version |
| 23:23.13 | Valdrone | if ubuntu > debian then ubuntu/0 end |
| 23:23.15 | peterS | Valdrone: it is pointless to say Debian > Gentoo. either people will agree or they will disagree and neither accomplishes much. |
| 23:23.29 | simonrvn | get the truth as close to reality as possible here, not insecure babblings |
| 23:23.30 | peterS | Valdrone: clearly we are debian fans in here. what kind of answer would you really expect? in other words, your question wasn't very useful |
| 23:24.02 | randomity | Valdrone: there is no total ordering over distros :P |
| 23:24.18 | Valdrone | Naw, I'm just testing you guys to see how you'd react to an arguement like that. |
| 23:24.28 | stew | Valdrone: do you have a debian related question? |
| 23:24.36 | stew | Valdrone: or are you just here to troll? |
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| 23:24.40 | Valdrone | Because right now I'm banned from the #gentoo because they're not friendly. |
| 23:24.41 | peterS | I think Debian > Gentoo, but I'd prefer for Gentoo users to figure it out on their own rather than me trying to preach to them. and of course, the reverse holds, if gentoo is really superior after all I hope Debian people will find that out on their own. |
| 23:25.01 | Valdrone | Because Gentoo users feel that they're superior to all. |
| 23:25.02 | yomguy | x_link: did you try the official Nvidia driver ? |
| 23:25.09 | apk | Valdrone: Really? I've always found the #gentoo people to be friendly and helpful. |
| 23:25.10 | Valdrone | I'm just a philosopher. |
| 23:25.12 | peterS | yeah, well, let 'em think that. I'm happy with what I've got. |
| 23:25.43 | spheard | Debian is cool, and I hope Ian and Debbie are happy with their legacy |
| 23:26.06 | peterS | Ian's at Sun now, how could one be happier than to work for Sun? (: |
| 23:26.08 | yomguy | x_link: the nv module crashes sometimes here... |
| 23:26.15 | Valdrone | And now I'm pissed off because I can't get into #gentoo and I have one final problem until I can stop talkin to them. |
| 23:26.18 | tarzeau | peterS: you're serious? |
| 23:26.23 | simonrvn | not working for them ;) |
| 23:26.33 | peterS | tarzeau: yes, Ian Murdock works for Sun |
| 23:26.34 | apk | Valdrone: try the gentoo forums. |
| 23:26.43 | tarzeau | peterS: i mean the how could one be happier than to work for Sun part |
| 23:26.43 | stew | Valdrone: sorry, we can't help you with #gentoo ; please keep it on-topic |
| 23:26.50 | Valdrone | :P Alright |
| 23:26.53 | peterS | tarzeau: that part might not be completely serious |
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| 23:27.01 | Valdrone | But, err, am I better off Kubuntu or Debian |
| 23:27.04 | tarzeau | peterS: :) i was about to doubt your sanity |
| 23:27.08 | Valdrone | And, talking about Ian doesn't seem serious anyway. |
| 23:27.11 | simonrvn | ...i'm the oddball mountain goat here ;p |
| 23:27.13 | mavhc | "There's a wonderful plugin for apt on Debian that prints out the build log from the buildd when installing packages, so Gentoo users feel at home." |
| 23:27.20 | stew | Valdrone: please go to ##linux if you want compare distros |
| 23:27.29 | tarzeau | mavhc: hahaha |
| 23:27.52 | peterS | it's true, Ian Murdock isn't really on-topic here either. He ceased to be involved with Debian quite some time ago |
| 23:27.52 | Valdrone | ##linux has overflow issues atm. |
| 23:27.52 | Valdrone | I tried that |
| 23:27.52 | tarzeau | mavhc: where is it? |
| 23:27.52 | solitude | Will the ARM port of etch work on a 16mhz arm? |
| 23:27.52 | simonrvn | Valdrone: frankly that's up to you. try them both. |
| 23:27.52 | stew | Valdrone: i'm sorry we can't help you with ##linux either |
| 23:27.52 | mavhc | no idea |
| 23:27.56 | tarzeau | mavhc: that idea is SO .. :) |
| 23:27.57 | Valdrone | I just want to know if debian is right for me |
| 23:28.08 | apk | Valdrone: try it. |
| 23:28.13 | peterS | solitude: you have to be more specific, what kind of arm? I think debian supports chips back to arm v3 or something |
| 23:28.18 | Valdrone | apk: Too time consuming. :P |
| 23:28.27 | simonrvn | Valdrone: me i prefer debian after having tried a few derivatives, and bad experiences with gentoo and RHclones |
| 23:28.29 | peterS | solitude: also, check http://www.debian.org/ports/arm to see if they can tell you anything about compatibility |
| 23:28.32 | apk | Valdrone: Than Linux is probably not for you. |
| 23:28.37 | spheard | hmm, Ive been running debian on my sparc |
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| 23:28.40 | pickcoder | apk: heh |
| 23:28.41 | x_link | yomguy: nvidia modules? |
| 23:28.52 | tarzeau | spheard: an ultra? |
| 23:28.56 | peterS | spheard: 32-bit sparc or 64-bit sparc? the next debian release will not support 32-bit anymore |
| 23:29.03 | simonrvn | Valdrone: like i said, try them all if you need to, then make up your mind |
| 23:29.04 | spheard | 64bit sparc |
| 23:29.21 | Valdrone | apk: No, I have time, just not enough to try every distro. |
| 23:29.24 | spheard | peterS: I know, everyone has been ranting in the mailing list :-) |
| 23:29.29 | peterS | heh |
| 23:29.31 | spheard | including me :D |
| 23:29.40 | pickcoder | Valdrone: they all have the same stuff on them. The main difference is package management and development teams IMO |
| 23:29.40 | solitude | peterS, ARM 7100 RISC processor running at 18.432 MHz ... |
| 23:29.48 | Valdrone | Oh, I see. |
| 23:29.51 | peterS | ranting is one thing, but if nobody is willing to do the work Jurij is doing now to support 32-bit sparc.... it won't happen |
| 23:29.55 | solitude | (its what a psion series 5 uses) |
| 23:30.20 | pickcoder | Valdrone: also compare software release cycles for each distro |
| 23:30.21 | yomguy | x_link: yeah, try 'nv' during a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:30.30 | spheard | peterS I cant se the pint in maintaining hardware that has been obsolete for 15 years |
| 23:30.36 | spheard | point :-) |
| 23:30.52 | pickcoder | a short release cycle means frequent software upgrades from the devs, but it also means potential security flaws due to short testing cycles |
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| 23:31.02 | peterS | spheard: now now ... there were still lots of new 32-bit sparcs being sold more recently than 1992 |
| 23:31.18 | pickcoder | long release cycles means stable and secure apps, but they may age while they are being cleaned |
| 23:31.24 | peterS | maybe not more recently than 1997 though |
| 23:31.48 | x_link | yomguy: I use "nv" now, I want to use the nvidia driver. So you mean that I shouldn't use the nvidia driver? |
| 23:32.02 | spheard | peterS: just because people were buying them doesnt mean its not obsolete. look at microsoft, they make a handsome living from obsolete crap |
| 23:32.18 | x_link | yomguy: When I look in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf it says "nv" and not "nvidia" |
| 23:32.20 | spheard | (not that sparc32 was crap) |
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| 23:32.49 | pickcoder | heh |
| 23:33.03 | pickcoder | I guess netbios doesn't rule the world anymore? |
| 23:33.04 | peterS | finally as in NT 4.0 from 1996? |
| 23:33.18 | pickcoder | nslookup, for example |
| 23:33.19 | dvs | heh |
| 23:33.25 | peterS | yeah, nslookup was in NT 4.0 in 1996 |
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| 23:33.42 | peterS | possibly it was in NT 3.51 earlier, I didn't use NT 3.51 enough to know |
| 23:33.43 | apk | pickcoder: Yeah, and then they screwed it up with that stupid "DNS Client" service. |
| 23:33.47 | pickcoder | people didn't run NT 4.0 on their desktops |
| 23:33.50 | peterS | I did |
| 23:34.00 | pickcoder | wierdo! |
| 23:34.02 | peterS | well, at work, not on my personal computer |
| 23:34.06 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 23:34.13 | yomguy | x_link: Ok. What is the version of the 'nvidia' driver you downloaded from www.nvidia.com ? |
| 23:35.30 | peterS | actually I should amend my statement. I don't remember for certain whether NT 4.0 had nslookup. It had ping, traceroute (well, tracert) and things like that, though. |
| 23:35.32 | pickcoder | I had a 4.xx version of NT a while back |
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| 23:35.49 | peterS | the only 4.xx of NT was 4.0. with service packs 1 through 6a. |
| 23:35.53 | stew | peterS: it had nslookup |
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| 23:35.59 | peterS | after that they jumped to 5.0, aka windows 2000 |
| 23:36.04 | pickcoder | maybe it was 3.51 |
| 23:36.10 | pickcoder | it's been a few years |
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| 23:36.32 | pickcoder | anyhoo |
| 23:36.33 | peterS | pickcoder: 3.51 had the GUI of Windows 3.1; 4.0 had the GUI of Windows 95. easy to tell apart. |
| 23:36.45 | pickcoder | peterS: yup.. that was it |
| 23:37.07 | pickcoder | a shelf full of install floppies |
| 23:37.55 | yomguy | x_link: indeed, we just shouln't use the proprietary package, but nv is sometimes very slow... |
| 23:38.26 | pickcoder | gah.. my 30-pin SIMMs didn't sell |
| 23:38.27 | peterS | 3.51 was also a lot more solid than 4.0, since MS moved some of the graphics layer into the kernel in 4.0 for speed. some people say NT 4.0 wasn't as solid as 3.51 until about SP4. ...but I'm sorry, that's rather not the topic of this channel, I'll stop now |
| 23:38.49 | peterS | pickcoder: ha. did you drill holes in them and attach keyrings? that's what 30-pin simms are mostly good for now |
| 23:38.58 | pickcoder | I'm pretty sure they're functional |
| 23:39.05 | toddobryan | I'm trying to write a little script to let users update a file that they shouldn't be able to access. Sounds simple, right? I've had to update the default Python version, build a package from unstable from source, and even had to (horror of horrors) write C code. Now I'm incredibly close, but I've just discovered that "sudo blah" actually sets the user to root instead of just running an executable with rootly powers. Can anyone tel |
| 23:39.05 | toddobryan | l me how to access the user who ran a sudo'ed process? |
| 23:39.08 | pickcoder | taken out of a Z50 I think |
| 23:39.14 | pickcoder | stored in a memory case since then |
| 23:39.37 | pickcoder | Seiki KCP-601 1MB modules |
| 23:39.57 | peterS | yeah see my 486 is already topped out at 8 MB, so I don't need your 30pin simms |
| 23:40.24 | pickcoder | I've seen KCP-601 modules listed under "Century" go for $30-100 refurbed |
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| 23:40.51 | tarzeau | can i have last show me the hostname in full length? |
| 23:41.00 | peterS | toddobryan: 'man sudo', look in the "ENVIRONMENT" section |
| 23:41.27 | toddobryan | peterS: Thanks! |
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| 23:42.12 | tarzeau | ah -a |
| 23:42.19 | dvs | take on me! |
| 23:43.57 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 23:43.58 | peterS | hey, new wave is also OT |
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| 23:44.47 | toddobryan | tarzeau: <groan>, but strangely enough I just got a 80's hit CD and that was 3 tracks ago. |
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| 23:45.33 | peterS | toddobryan: fortunately, sweet dreams seem to be made of this |
| 23:45.57 | x_link | yomguy: Yeah, I don't want to use "nv". |
| 23:46.01 | x_link | nVIDIA driver is alot better. |
| 23:46.09 | x_link | It never crasched. |
| 23:46.13 | x_link | err |
| 23:46.16 | x_link | It never crasched for me. |
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| 23:47.55 | yomguy | x_link: did you try 1.0-9639 ? |
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| 23:49.38 | bagoor | I can't find /etc/inittab ! Is it changed in Etch ? |
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| 23:52.56 | mb | mzb: hello |
| 23:53.11 | mzb | mb: gday |
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| 23:53.29 | mb | mzb: apt-cacher functions perfectly now |
| 23:53.44 | mzb | great :) permissions? |
| 23:53.51 | mb | want to know the pb ? |
| 23:53.57 | mzb | yep |
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| 23:54.45 | mb | hem ; everything worked perfectly, server and client on same machine ; but ; no loopback for connection ; really stupid no ? |
| 23:54.55 | mzb | lol |
| 23:55.11 | mzb | oops |
| 23:55.42 | mb | oh yes ! didn"t remember to configure this /etc/network/interface for loopback |
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| 23:55.53 | mb | with previous debians |
| 23:56.02 | peterS | mb: err, you shouldn't have to, that should be done for you by the installer |
| 23:56.12 | mzb | mb: should be installed automatically |
| 23:56.30 | mb | but thank you for your help ; checking connection gave the way to solution |
| 23:56.42 | mzb | mb: my apt-cacher was a little tricky: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/wp-gallery2.php?g2_itemId=2520 |
| 23:56.45 | mzb | mb: np |
| 23:56.59 | mzb | (that's an old diagram, but theory is similar) |
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| 23:57.58 | mzb | each of those vm's is either stable/testing/unstable and there are more testing/unstable clients around the house (and a couple of ubuntu installations) |
| 23:58.56 | mzb | btw, the firewall is no longer a vm, but a separate machine |
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| 23:59.22 | mb | mzb: is this your system ? |
| 23:59.33 | mzb | only the server :) |
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| 23:59.45 | mb | looks great ! |
| 23:59.54 | mzb | works well |
