| 00:00.03 | mb | mzb: nice |
| 00:00.07 | mzb | makes it a lot more modular |
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| 00:00.28 | mzb | (and easier to backup individual parts) |
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| 00:01.01 | mzb | now has 2x "green" zones, as one is a gigabit link to the workstation |
| 00:01.17 | mzb | either way, you can see how important apt-caching is for me :) |
| 00:01.40 | mb | mzb: so all services are running on 1 server with xen and 1 dom for each service ? |
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| 00:02.05 | gholm | whats the distro I'm best use on a 64bit AMD fileserver? debian based of course. |
| 00:02.17 | mzb | mb: basically, yes |
| 00:02.20 | mb | mzb: of course, you download once and upgrade all at once |
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| 00:02.36 | tusry | One question, I use debian at works, but lots of people says that mac / mac os X or mac* is better than my 'old computer', but, mac / apple is OpenSource? |
| 00:02.57 | mzb | mb: yes, except they don't _all_ run the same branch ... and I've got some vm's that don't run debian :) |
| 00:03.14 | gholm | tusry: no Apple is closed source, ontop of a *nix backend. |
| 00:03.16 | cafuego | omg! mzb needs a k-line. |
| 00:03.23 | xittum | tusry: try to locate the sourcecode ;) |
| 00:03.25 | ctatuk | gholm: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
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| 00:04.15 | tusry | gholm: why the 'unix guru's' or linux geeks love that OS? I don't understant the people of my job, if it is not Open, then sucks for me as hell :) |
| 00:04.26 | tusry | xittum: hehehe |
| 00:04.43 | peterS | tusry: a lot of people confuse the concepts of "Unix-based" and "open source", since most people running Unix-like OSes these days are running open source OSes. but Mac OS X is Unix-based but not open source. |
| 00:04.45 | tusry | well, sorry for linux geeks |
| 00:04.46 | mb | mzb: ok other os ; kro$oft ? |
| 00:04.57 | cafuego | tusry: Because it works with the hardware 100%. Suspend/sleep works, wireless just works. |
| 00:05.14 | cafuego | tusry: This is usually not the case with linux on a laptop. |
| 00:05.18 | jamesbrink | anyone know the packages name for ratr |
| 00:05.20 | jamesbrink | rar |
| 00:05.24 | peterS | tusry: in fact, there are two non-silly reasons for people to like linux: (1) it is Unix-like, (2) it is open-source. thus, not all Linux fans are in it for the same reason. the ones who like open source obviously don't care much about OS X, but the ones who simply like Unix sure do. |
| 00:05.24 | jamesbrink | i need to unrar somthing |
| 00:05.30 | tusry | cafuego: yes but, Windows works too then ... |
| 00:05.31 | cafuego | jamesbrink: `unrar' |
| 00:05.34 | mzb | no, I don't have HVM, but I occasionally run (for testing) various other (unmentionable) rpm-based distros |
| 00:05.43 | cafuego | tusry: But windows, as opposed to OSX, is shit. |
| 00:05.46 | tsocks | jamesbrink: aptitude install unrar (note: unrar is non-free) |
| 00:06.07 | jamesbrink | hmm yeah your right |
| 00:06.14 | jamesbrink | it just says the source is missing |
| 00:06.15 | tusry | cafuego: ahh okey :) |
| 00:06.16 | jamesbrink | lol im a fool |
| 00:06.16 | cafuego | tusry: all the normal unix cli tools are prsent on OSX, you get a decent shell... |
| 00:06.17 | jamesbrink | thanks |
| 00:06.29 | cafuego | tusry: So it'a a fairly hassle-free unix. |
| 00:06.37 | xittum | jamesbrink: p7zip can do unrar i think (if you care about the non-free in unrar) |
| 00:07.08 | mb | mzb: what .deb do you use for your web server ? (except apache) |
| 00:07.27 | tusry | then, lot of people that love 'unix' using mac OS, hates OpenSource? :) |
| 00:07.39 | tusry | my english is bad, sorry in advance |
| 00:07.45 | peterS | cafuego: they have interesting concepts of privileges, though. I wanted to bring up the ethernet on a guy's OS X laptop, so I tried it with ifconfig. turns out you need to be root. (no surprise so far.) then he figured out how to do it in a GUI of some sort, which didn't require root. |
| 00:07.52 | mzb | mb: wordpress with embedded gallery2 |
| 00:07.57 | xittum | tusry: most OSX people only care about.. osx, apple, mac :) |
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| 00:08.06 | mzb | wench:~# echo $(xm list | grep -v ^Name | awk '{print $1}') |
| 00:08.06 | mzb | Domain-0 donkeyserver fileserver mailserver mythserver proxyserver scanner sqlserver webserver |
| 00:08.30 | jamesbrink | guess ill go with p7zip |
| 00:08.32 | cafuego | peterS: Yeah, some tradeoffs for useability. Mind you, an admin can lock those settings in the GUI, so $user would need sudo access. |
| 00:08.35 | mzb | wench:~# uptime |
| 00:08.36 | mzb | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.59 | cafuego | peterS: otoh, the same goes for Linux. ifconfig requires root, but networkmanager does *not* ;-) |
| 00:09.10 | peterS | cafuego: I guess I can't figure out how they managed to provide an unprivileged way to play with network settings. unless there is passwordless sudo under the hood, or something |
| 00:09.30 | tusry | well, thanks to all ;), Debian is great! |
| 00:09.33 | jamesbrink | gah that did not work either |
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| 00:09.47 | jamesbrink | anyone know what source i need in source.list to install unrar |
| 00:10.02 | peterS | Debianu ahkbar? |
| 00:10.07 | tusry | jamesbrink: maybe contrib non-free |
| 00:10.12 | mzb | mb: iirc both wordpress and gallery2 were built from cvs (some time ago) for the extra features |
| 00:10.25 | mzb | must get around to fixing it up at some stage |
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| 00:10.26 | xittum | jamesbrink: non-free contrib in the end of each line that starts with "deb" |
| 00:10.52 | tusry | peterS: what does mean that? |
| 00:11.11 | tusry | It is turkish? or something like this? |
| 00:11.11 | peterS | tusry: it means nothing, just a take-off from the Arabic phrase "Allahu ahkbar" which, I think, means "God is great" |
| 00:11.17 | mb | mzb: ok, thanks ; impressive ; i'll do that one day |
| 00:11.20 | mzb | mb: wench:~# lvdisplay -C | wc -l |
| 00:11.20 | mzb | 63 |
| 00:11.22 | tusry | ups, thanks :) |
| 00:11.31 | mzb | (I've cut down from >100;) |
| 00:11.38 | peterS | tusry: I could be wrong on the details, as I'm not exactly a muslim |
| 00:11.50 | jamesbrink | cool thanks trusy and xittum |
| 00:12.24 | xittum | jamesbrink: take a look at this maybe http://tom.delekassen.dk/linux/hullet/filsystem_system/etc/apt/sources.list Most are danish server but you might get the idea |
| 00:12.32 | cafuego | peterS: that's what I suspect, yes... or a process that runs as root, which $userr is allowed to interrface with. |
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| 00:12.38 | x_link | yomguy: I use Beryl and I play Quake 3 sometimes when I'm bored. So I need the nVIDIA driver. The "nv" isn't as good as the nvidia driver. |
| 00:12.46 | tusry | good bye people! |
| 00:13.25 | peterS | tusry: hmmm, google suggests the spelling 'allahu akhbar' - oh well, I was close |
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| 00:14.01 | Marupa | Hi, I'm trying to set up some sort of method to get a remote desktop on my headless server, but I don't really know what i'm doing, can someone point me in the right direction? |
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| 00:14.24 | xittum | cafuego: a shame mini disc won the "race" :) |
| 00:14.28 | mzb | Marupa: install vnc-server or freenx (prob harder) |
| 00:14.37 | cafuego | xittum: not for data it didn't |
| 00:14.51 | xittum | cafuego: sorry.. im audiofile :) |
| 00:14.59 | cafuego | xittum: these go into a DDS3 scsi devic |
| 00:15.24 | Marupa | mzb: vncserver, vnc4sserver or tightvncserver? |
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| 00:16.04 | xittum | ohhh.. what a shame cafuego... the best digital audio casette turned out too be a a geek tool only :) |
| 00:16.22 | peterS | Marupa: the usual approach is to install xdm (or one of its lookalikes, such as gdm) and then run an X server on your thin clients, in xdmcp mode |
| 00:16.24 | mzb | Marupa: I seem to recall using tightvncserver in the past |
| 00:16.43 | peterS | Marupa: this is better than the VNC approach in the sense that each client gets an independent login with its own desktop full of its own windows |
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| 00:16.53 | Marupa | peterS: I'm on windows, with the server headless. |
| 00:17.03 | peterS | Marupa: yeah so you'd need to run an X server on the windows box |
| 00:17.39 | peterS | Marupa: I believe xorg ships one somehow, but I'm not really sure, as I don't use Windows so I don't have to know these things anymore.. |
| 00:17.41 | mzb | peterS: far to complicated for a beginner ... vncserver is much easier to setup and use |
| 00:17.59 | Marupa | I just want to graphically manipulate files. |
| 00:18.04 | peterS | but vnc requires you to create a login session on the server and leave it all the time, right? |
| 00:18.20 | peterS | I mean, that sounds like a pain, not that I've tried it |
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| 00:18.40 | mzb | no, it starts when required |
| 00:18.43 | mavhc | how does today's X11 cope with remote screens and dropped connections? |
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| 00:19.19 | peterS | remote screens? as well as it ever has, this has been a central feature of X11 since the beginning (1985 or so) |
| 00:19.30 | peterS | dropped connections? well, your apps will die if you drop your connection |
| 00:19.40 | mzb | peterS: it's also cross-platform, secure and can easily be tuned for lower bandwidth |
| 00:19.47 | peterS | technically an app doesn't have to _die_ but there isn't much else it can do, so generally they do |
| 00:19.54 | mzb | freenx is nicer in a lot of ways, including audio support :) |
| 00:20.23 | Marupa | mbz, I'd be willing to try freenx if you want to help me set it up. |
| 00:20.29 | peterS | mzb: wait, are we talking about vnc or X11 here? X is all those things except secure, you generally have to tunnel it through a VPN if you need that |
| 00:20.43 | gravity | freenx runs via X11, iirc |
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| 00:21.11 | mzb | peterS: did you read Marupa's original post? " I don't really know what i'm doing, can someone point me in the right direction?" |
| 00:21.31 | billiejoex | excuse me, I would be interested in seeing source code of ftp command included in all linux distributions. Does someone got any idea about where should I take it? |
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| 00:21.55 | mzb | remote X11 is not the right direction, particularly taking into account interoperability and (apparent) experience |
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| 00:22.35 | peterS | mzb: yeah so I recommended running an X server in xdmcp mode, and xdm on the server. is that so hard? I guess you do have to edit a file or two in /etc/X11/xdm. |
| 00:22.49 | mzb | Marupa: been a long while since I tried freenx ... goto nomachine.org and try it out ... not sure if freenx itself is even still maintained |
| 00:23.20 | mzb | peterS: have you ever setup X11 for remote access by a win32 client? |
| 00:23.20 | mavhc | apps dying makes it pretty much useless |
| 00:23.24 | Marupa | i had tried freenx on ubuntu, but it was quitet a painn in the butt. |
| 00:23.50 | peterS | mzb: what do you mean "by a win32 client"? running xdm in xdmcp mode doesn't particularly care if the other end is win32 |
| 00:24.04 | gravity | mzb: That's no different than setting it up for access from any other client |
| 00:24.31 | mzb | peterS & gravity: I mean from the point of view of setting up a "viewer" on the "client machine" |
| 00:24.44 | peterS | mzb: I've certainly set up xdm in xdmcp mode on many systems, and I've set up win32 X servers many times. all of this was years ago, my home network stabilized awhile back so I haven't had to recently |
| 00:24.52 | gravity | mzb: You mean an x server |
| 00:25.01 | gravity | mzb: On win32, right? |
| 00:25.55 | Marupa | mbz: free edition or nx server? |
| 00:26.05 | Marupa | mzb* |
| 00:26.07 | mzb | Marupa: yes ... it can be ... and I really don't have the time to walk you through something like that atm ... haven't used it for over a year ... I'd suggest you start with tightvnc server and live without all the headaches involved in the "nicer" methods that can be employed |
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| 00:26.20 | mzb | Marupa: no idea ... |
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| 00:26.37 | mzb | time to make breakfast for a 2yo ... bbl |
| 00:26.53 | Marupa | mzb All right. for some reason my apt sources aren't letting me download some required sources, howevere. |
| 00:27.21 | runev | When trying to rund a DirectX game with wine, on a computer where OpenGL is up and running just fine - but you still get "DDRAW_Create Couldn't load WineD3D - OpenGL libs not present?" .. how do i go about this? |
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| 00:29.43 | xittum | runev: there is a wine-open-gl package |
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| 00:30.10 | Mole | ive got two nics in my box..how do i know which one is eth0 ? |
| 00:30.24 | irvine | can anyone help me with this error, i try to mount an ext3 partition and here's what i get |
| 00:30.26 | irvine | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, |
| 00:30.26 | irvine | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:30.33 | runev | xittum: aha, didn't know. i'll try and find it :) |
| 00:30.39 | Marupa | libsm6 and libxt6 seem to be ...not there o.O |
| 00:30.44 | Marupa | irvine: fsck it. |
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| 00:31.43 | mzb | Marupa: btw, if you just want "access to files" you'd be better sticking with something like winscp and using ssh. |
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| 00:32.04 | Marupa | mzb, access is fine, but manipulating zip/rar/etc is a pain in the butt. |
| 00:32.26 | xittum | runev: hmmm.. maybe im wrong.. i just remember it |
| 00:32.39 | Marupa | as is attempting to sort MP3s. |
| 00:32.56 | runev | xittum: libwine-gl, found it :) |
| 00:33.09 | xittum | runev: damn i got a good memmory :) |
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| 00:33.51 | runev | xittum: glad i could benefit from it aswell ;> |
| 00:34.16 | xittum | runev: anytime... now i just need to find a way to use it myself..hehe |
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| 00:34.46 | runev | xittum: hehe :) |
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| 00:42.19 | x_link | peterS: Still there? |
| 00:42.21 | jrwr | Here is my Xorg.conf http://pastebin.ca/626980 and my Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.ca/626982, so why am i stuck in 640x480! |
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| 00:42.59 | x_link | peterS: Now the sound doesn't work again. I get the same errormessage as before. |
| 00:43.35 | peterS | x_link: did this happen for no reason, or did you do something to your system, like rebooting it? |
| 00:43.50 | x_link | I rebooted yeah. |
| 00:44.02 | peterS | so do you have the snd_emu10k1 module loaded? |
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| 00:44.16 | x_link | I will see in /etc/modules |
| 00:44.28 | xittum | lsmod? :) |
| 00:44.30 | peterS | why not see with the lsmod command |
| 00:44.46 | x_link | I have it in /etc/modules |
| 00:44.46 | x_link | Ok |
| 00:44.49 | x_link | I will do that instead. |
| 00:45.03 | x_link | wow, the list is long |
| 00:45.23 | xittum | lsmod|grep emu10 |
| 00:45.28 | x_link | ok |
| 00:45.48 | x_link | emu10k1_gp 4096 0 |
| 00:45.48 | x_link | gameport 15304 2 emu10k1_gp |
| 00:46.01 | x_link | nano /etc/modprobe.d/sound |
| 00:46.02 | xittum | when the world gets too complicated its great to go #debian :) Pure technical shit |
| 00:46.03 | x_link | opps |
| 00:46.20 | peterS | xittum: not always so pure as you think. come here on a Sunday sometime |
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| 00:46.29 | peterS | x_link: yeah so do you have a file /etc/modules-2.6 ? |
| 00:46.31 | xittum | peterS: i will ;) |
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| 00:46.46 | krazykit | !sunday |
| 00:46.46 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 00:47.06 | xittum | sane? |
| 00:47.10 | x_link | peterS: How can I see that? |
| 00:47.17 | x_link | With cat? |
| 00:47.18 | peterS | x_link: it's a yes or no question. does that file exist. |
| 00:47.25 | peterS | you can find out in any number of ways |
| 00:47.41 | x_link | hmm ok |
| 00:48.14 | apk | t |
| 00:50.03 | x_link | peterS: Sorry, tried with cat, less and nano, don't know how to see that. |
| 00:50.05 | x_link | Sorry |
| 00:50.20 | xittum | x_link: /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 00:50.29 | xittum | x_link: ls /etc/modprobe.d |
| 00:50.31 | xittum | ups |
| 00:50.47 | x_link | Okej |
| 00:50.48 | peterS | x_link: if cat tells you 'no such file or directory', the file does not exist. that is the answer I am looking for. does it exist? |
| 00:51.14 | peterS | xittum: why the &@#$ are you going on about modprobe.d? |
| 00:51.15 | x_link | cat tells me that peterS . |
| 00:51.20 | x_link | No such file or directory |
| 00:51.33 | peterS | x_link: so now your /etc/modules is the same as the file you pasted earlier? |
| 00:51.35 | xittum | peterS: because im f*cking drunk.. ROFL |
| 00:52.24 | x_link | peterS: I think so, cause the thing is that I don't remember seeing one of the files earlier. |
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| 00:52.33 | stoned | peterS: hi |
| 00:52.44 | peterS | stoned: should I ban nyle now? |
| 00:52.46 | stoned | x_link: hey hows the new system |
| 00:52.52 | stoned | peterS: hehe :D |
| 00:52.56 | x_link | stoned: Messed up |
| 00:53.01 | stoned | peterS: yeh that nyle guy is an a-hole |
| 00:53.12 | x_link | stoned: Ohh, I don't have a new system. |
| 00:53.14 | stoned | x_link: how come |
| 00:53.24 | stoned | x_link: I thought you were building one last time we spoke |
| 00:53.27 | x_link | Cause I'm on the sytem that I had before. |
| 00:53.28 | peterS | x_link: here's the thing, if you have "snd_emu10k1" in your /etc/modules file, then I'd like to know why it isn't being loaded at boot time. if you run 'dmesg', does it tell you anything about the emu10k1 driver? |
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| 00:53.35 | x_link | No, I just upgraded the one I have a bit. |
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| 00:54.12 | x_link | peterS: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30508/ |
| 00:54.16 | x_link | I will run dmesg now |
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| 00:54.50 | x_link | Ohhh wow.. I really don't understand anythinf of dmesg |
| 00:55.00 | peterS | x_link: looks fine, although you shouldn't need 2 copies of snd_emu10k1 (line 7, line 17) |
| 00:55.20 | peterS | x_link: dmesg shows you the kernel log, which is going to be mostly boot-time messages, if you booted recently |
| 00:55.21 | reiser2 | ho can i configure RS-232 baudrate using setserial? |
| 00:55.53 | peterS | reiser2: normally you set the baud rate using 'stty -F /dev/ttyS0 9600' or similar |
| 00:55.57 | x_link | peterS: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30509/ That's the output of dmesg |
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| 00:56.14 | peterS | reiser2: it's something you're expected to want to change at other times rather than just at boot, so stty is more appropriate than setserial |
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| 00:56.32 | x_link | peterS: I copied some other outputs by mistake as well. |
| 00:57.33 | peterS | x_link: hmmm, line 522 is interesting |
| 00:57.41 | x_link | I will take a look |
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| 00:58.05 | x_link | EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:01:09.0 failed with error -12 |
| 00:58.19 | x_link | peterS: What the heck is error -12 ? hehe |
| 00:58.40 | peterS | x_link: I have no idea. I don't have a Creative card. is this an Audigy, or an original SB Live!? |
| 00:59.00 | x_link | SB Live |
| 00:59.31 | x_link | I once had an similar problem, but then it I had to run alsaconf everytime I rebooted. |
| 00:59.39 | peterS | x_link: line 520 indicates that something is trying to load the 'hda' sound system, aka High Definition Audio (Intel's standard). I don't think the original SB Live supported that. |
| 00:59.45 | x_link | Cause the integrated soundcard was running or something liek that. |
| 01:00.01 | x_link | peterS: ok |
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| 01:00.24 | runev | is there anything i can do, so that with xterm i can use alt+1, alt+2 etc to switch windows? tired of doing /window 2 etc, or should i just get a new terminal emu? |
| 01:00.32 | reiser2 | peterS: thank you |
| 01:00.34 | reiser2 | it works |
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| 01:00.58 | peterS | x_link: errr ... do you have an integrated sound card, then? that may be what the hda thing is about. |
| 01:01.06 | terlmann | having problem adding buddy in MSN to gaim |
| 01:01.19 | terlmann | eisen soldner@mail.com is his name |
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| 01:01.45 | terlmann | any name with spaces however isnt allowed. |
| 01:02.02 | pipeline | unlink: xterm is braindead |
| 01:02.06 | pipeline | unlink: there IS a way to fix it |
| 01:02.10 | pipeline | unlink: but I can't remember what it is :) |
| 01:02.19 | pipeline | unlink: I always just hit esc-1, esc-2 etc |
| 01:02.21 | runev | terlmann: then he gave you the wrong mail address |
| 01:02.37 | terlmann | PeterS : I have discovered two of the most basic elements in the universe |
| 01:02.49 | x_link | peterS: Yeah, I have an integrated soundcard as well. |
| 01:02.53 | terlmann | grease and corn syrup |
| 01:02.56 | pipeline | unlink: actually, I figured it out |
| 01:02.56 | peterS | terlmann: there are five, you know. fire, earth, air, water, aether |
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| 01:03.05 | pipeline | unlink: hold ctrl and hit mouse-1 |
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| 01:03.14 | pipeline | unlink: it has all the important options. You want "meta sends esc" |
| 01:03.18 | terlmann | when combined in 1:1 ratio, they form S*X |
| 01:03.29 | terlmann | I have made a new samwich |
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| 01:03.35 | terlmann | items required |
| 01:03.38 | runev | pipeline: hey, i'm over here |
| 01:03.46 | runev | pipeline: dunno who this unlink dude is but :) thanks alot :) |
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| 01:04.20 | x_link | peterS: Maybe the integrated soundcard is being loaded as well and doesn't know if it should use my card or the onboard one. |
| 01:04.25 | peterS | x_link: so ... what does this say? lspci -n | awk ' /040/{print $3}' |
| 01:04.30 | terlmann | 2 slices moderately toasted bread , 1 leaf iceburg lettuce , 2 slices (thin) jenny o turkey ham |
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| 01:04.40 | terlmann | 1 spoon ful butteer |
| 01:04.45 | peterS | x_link: it should print 2 lines of numbers, like 1102:xxxx |
| 01:04.51 | terlmann | 1 spoon ranch dressing` |
| 01:05.03 | terlmann | apply ranch to one side of slice bread A |
| 01:05.04 | peterS | or 1106:xxxx |
| 01:05.18 | x_link | 10de:0371 |
| 01:05.19 | x_link | 1102:0002 |
| 01:05.24 | x_link | peterS: I got those numbers |
| 01:05.25 | terlmann | apply butter to one side of bread slice B` |
| 01:05.35 | terlmann | apply lettuce to ranch |
| 01:05.44 | terlmann | apply slices ham to butter |
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| 01:06.04 | terlmann | combine lettuce half with ham half |
| 01:06.18 | peterS | x_link: now we're getting somewhere. 10de:0371 is the nVidia onboard sound chip (Intel-compatible High Definition Audio). 1102:0002 is an original SB Live, as you said. |
| 01:06.22 | terlmann | = 1 cheesey no-cheese samwitch |
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| 01:06.50 | x_link | Okej. =) |
| 01:07.00 | x_link | Thanks for taking time to help me! |
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| 01:07.25 | sayers | x-link so your wokring? |
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| 01:07.59 | x_link | sayers: I'm working yes. |
| 01:08.01 | peterS | x_link: so just to check - tell me the subsystem: lspci -nv | grep -A1 1102:0002 |
| 01:08.02 | sayers | Greast |
| 01:08.08 | peterS | x_link: it will say "Subsystem: something" |
| 01:08.16 | x_link | sayers: But not right now. It's 03:08 here right now. |
| 01:08.19 | sayers | How do I kill xserver so I can install this Nvidia |
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| 01:08.38 | x_link | peterS: |
| 01:08.38 | x_link | 01:09.0 0401: 1102:0002 (rev 0a) Subsystem: 1102:8065 |
| 01:08.53 | x_link | sayers: Are you using gdm or kdm? |
| 01:08.58 | sayers | gdm |
| 01:09.08 | peterS | x_link: which corresponds to "SBLive! 5.1 Digital Model SB0220". let me check some stuff. |
| 01:09.18 | terlmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.25 | x_link | sayers: /etc/init.d/gdm stop (as root) |
| 01:09.37 | x_link | peterS: Alright, I will be waiting here for you. |
| 01:10.38 | terlmann | thats the evil script called windos.ME.linux.virus |
| 01:10.49 | terlmann | noone is so gullible as to run it |
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| 01:11.01 | jrwr | here is my xorg.conf and xorg.log http://pastebin.ca/627001 http://pastebin.ca/627002, Why am i stuck in 640x480 |
| 01:11.28 | terlmann | jrwr : you failed to please the linux Cow Gods |
| 01:11.34 | jrwr | lol |
| 01:11.54 | jrwr | but doesnt Debian have Super Cow Powers |
| 01:11.59 | jrwr | Dont let me down APT! |
| 01:12.34 | peterS | x_link: yeah, the 2.6.21 kernel driver snd_emu10k1 definitely claims to support that exact model. so snd_emu10k1 is the right driver. I wonder why it is not being loaded. |
| 01:12.42 | terlmann | ok |
| 01:12.47 | x_link | peterS: Okej. |
| 01:12.47 | terlmann | wait one ; loop 3 |
| 01:13.00 | peterS | x_link: (that exact model, meaning, 1102:0002 subsystem 1102:8065) |
| 01:13.11 | x_link | peterS: Maybe the driver for the onboard soundcard is being loaded as well, and it doesn't know which one to use? |
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| 01:13.30 | jrwr | terlmann: : got anyideas? |
| 01:13.37 | x_link | peterS: I might be diconnected now. |
| 01:13.38 | peterS | x_link: there is nothing wrong with having 2 sound cards, both working, both with drivers loaded. so that would not prevent snd_emu10k1 from loading. |
| 01:13.39 | x_link | brb |
| 01:13.45 | terlmann | you need a depth mode |
| 01:13.51 | x_link | peterS: Okej. |
| 01:13.53 | x_link | brb |
| 01:13.58 | jrwr | terlmann: ??! |
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| 01:14.02 | terlmann | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:16.14 | karsten | !tell yomguy about away |
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| 01:17.24 | x_link | peterS: Hi, I just rebooted X and when X loaded again I got an error message. |
| 01:17.26 | x_link | Will show it. |
| 01:19.06 | x_link | peterS: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30511/ |
| 01:19.08 | x_link | I get that. |
| 01:19.47 | peterS | x_link: nice how it doesn't say what sound server it is. there are multiple sound servers out there that you might have installed. |
| 01:19.53 | Agrajag- | g'day. im trying to extend an ext3 partition (lv), using etch with xen (2.6.18-4-xen-686). from what i've heard, ext3 should be able to be online resizeable since 2.6.10. but resize2fs gives me "Filesystem does not support online resizing". why might this be? |
| 01:20.18 | x_link | peterS: Okej. |
| 01:20.23 | peterS | x_link: also, you generally don't need a sound server at all if you're using modern sound drivers. disable it if you can find out how. I hear a rumor that the KDE control panel includes an option to disable the aRts sound server, for example |
| 01:20.55 | peterS | Agrajag-: I think it's an option you have to specify at mkfs.ext3 time - or you can change it with tune2fs and unmount / mount |
| 01:21.02 | terlmann | '..' |
| 01:21.05 | x_link | peterS: I will look in Control Center |
| 01:21.21 | peterS | Agrajag-: possibly the tune2fs route also requires e2fsck to be run. I don't know for sure. |
| 01:22.25 | x_link | peterS: Sorry, but what exactly should I look for in Control Center? |
| 01:22.30 | x_link | I'm in Sound & Multimedia now. |
| 01:22.47 | peterS | x_link: I don't use the various desktop environments so I don't know what to look for. something about the sound server though |
| 01:22.53 | terlmann | x_link |
| 01:23.06 | x_link | peterS: Alright |
| 01:23.07 | terlmann | do as root: alsaconf |
| 01:23.10 | x_link | terlmann: ? |
| 01:23.14 | x_link | I have already done that. |
| 01:23.19 | x_link | Doesn't help |
| 01:23.21 | peterS | terlmann: keep up, he tried that hours ago |
| 01:23.24 | x_link | terlmann: But thanks anyway. |
| 01:23.29 | terlmann | what are you trying to do ? |
| 01:23.45 | Agrajag- | peterS: ah ok. it's /var that im trying to do it to, so im trying to avoid an unmount. guess that's not possible now though. thanks. |
| 01:23.59 | x_link | terlmann: Get my sound working |
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| 01:24.01 | peterS | terlmann: I'd explain, but it would take a long time to tell you enough information about his problem so that you wouldn't sit there and make lots of obvious suggestions of things he's already tried |
| 01:24.03 | terlmann | there are sound options that can be compiled into the kernel , or as a module , and afterwards as a service |
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| 01:24.17 | peterS | terlmann: he is using a debian kernel, never mind this 'compile' business |
| 01:24.21 | terlmann | ok |
| 01:24.29 | terlmann | I though he was trying to remove sound |
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| 01:24.43 | terlmann | give me one arnoooldsec |
| 01:24.56 | terlmann | device /dev/dsp can't be opened ? |
| 01:24.58 | terlmann | well |
| 01:25.05 | terlmann | thats digital sound port |
| 01:25.09 | x_link | peterS: I see Sound System, Enable the sound system, that's enabled. |
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| 01:25.21 | peterS | x_link: you don't need it |
| 01:25.22 | terlmann | you can also try alsa,default |
| 01:25.32 | x_link | The thing is that I didn't have this soundproblem before. |
| 01:25.34 | peterS | terlmann: your suggestions are not useful |
| 01:25.35 | terlmann | whereever you have that set |
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| 01:25.38 | x_link | peterS: Then I will disable it, since I don't need it. |
| 01:25.43 | terlmann | you say! |
| 01:25.46 | peterS | yes, I say |
| 01:25.51 | jrwr | terlmann: no luck |
| 01:25.51 | terlmann | you could even use jack_alsa |
| 01:25.54 | peterS | I've spent some time figuring out various things about his problem |
| 01:25.58 | jrwr | the logs are saying the same thing |
| 01:26.02 | peterS | and you haven't |
| 01:26.02 | speedo_ | guys! is there a way to transfer the glossy themes for ubuntu in debian using gnome ? |
| 01:26.07 | peterS | which is obvious from the suggestions you are making |
| 01:26.13 | terlmann | well |
| 01:26.35 | terlmann | all I have is one log |
| 01:26.40 | terlmann | inconculsive |
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| 01:26.46 | jrwr | hang on ill post the other log |
| 01:26.57 | lilkid | apache works fine on a 127.0.0.1/localhost loopback connection but i cant access it from 192.168.2.2/any other external connection ..what could cause this? |
| 01:27.16 | lilkid | (on debian with apache2) |
| 01:27.18 | terlmann | lilkid : firewall or .conf settings |
| 01:27.22 | peterS | x_link: so anyway, that will get rid of the error message you get from the X startup. it will not actually solve your problem, though, which is to figure out why the snd_emu10k1 module is not loading automatically |
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| 01:27.29 | lilkid | terlmann: thanks |
| 01:27.40 | x_link | hrmm |
| 01:27.46 | x_link | peterS: Isn't this a bit weird? =) |
| 01:27.52 | peterS | x_link: does it load manually? I mean if you do 'modprobe snd_emu10k1', does that work? |
| 01:27.55 | x_link | My whole soundissue. |
| 01:28.00 | x_link | I will try |
| 01:28.00 | peterS | I know it worked earlier, does it work now? |
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| 01:28.33 | x_link | peterS: Yes |
| 01:28.54 | peterS | x_link: I don't know why /etc/modules is not being honored, then |
| 01:29.13 | jrwr | terlmann: http://pastebin.ca/627016 |
| 01:29.19 | qiyong | how to change into a supplementary group? |
| 01:29.22 | peterS | this is not a problem of matrices, it is a problem of debian boot scripts |
| 01:29.59 | peterS | qiyong: newgroup |
| 01:29.59 | peterS | qiyong: I mean newgrp |
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| 01:29.59 | qiyong | peterS, thanks |
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| 01:30.41 | terlmann | jrwr |
| 01:30.44 | terlmann | line 310 |
| 01:30.54 | reiser2 | is ther in Linux something like Hyperterminal? |
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| 01:30.59 | terlmann | wrong freqencies perhaps |
| 01:31.15 | peterS | reiser2: that would probably be minicom |
| 01:31.16 | terlmann | youd fry that sucker(the moniter) |
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| 01:32.01 | x_link | peterS: Btw. I just fixed the nvidia problem I had =) |
| 01:32.03 | jrwr | terlmann: my mointer will only do 31.4k and 60hz |
| 01:32.04 | x_link | So it's installed nowö |
| 01:32.07 | x_link | now. |
| 01:32.07 | peterS | reiser2: there seems to be 'cutecom' in debian too, which I've never used |
| 01:32.11 | jrwr | that soo std? |
| 01:32.24 | jrwr | reiser2: minicom? |
| 01:32.27 | x_link | peterS: But I can just run modprobe snd_emu10k1 everytime I reboot. |
| 01:32.28 | terlmann | well then perhaps , jrwr , your moniter does NOT go 1024x768 |
| 01:32.31 | x_link | It's no big deal. |
| 01:32.37 | jrwr | but id eos! |
| 01:32.37 | peterS | x_link: well, you can, but you shouldn't have to. |
| 01:32.38 | reiser2 | i installed minicom |
| 01:32.42 | reiser2 | i am testing now |
| 01:32.52 | x_link | peterS: Yeah I know, I honestly don't want to do it this way. |
| 01:32.57 | jrwr | terlmann: it can do 1600x1200 in 60hz :) |
| 01:33.01 | x_link | But there doesn't seem to be any other way right now. |
| 01:33.02 | terlmann | I installed god 2.0 |
| 01:33.12 | terlmann | cant test untill 20000005 |
| 01:33.19 | terlmann | not nuff duck tape |
| 01:33.25 | peterS | x_link: well. just for fun, try regenerating your initrd: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) |
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| 01:33.38 | terlmann | gotta bind my head about 10000000 times |
| 01:33.40 | peterS | x_link: it may be that on modern systems, /etc/modules is handled by the initrd rather than by the boot scripts.. |
| 01:33.53 | jrwr | terlmann: anyway it does support 1024x768 |
| 01:34.05 | terlmann | well the card wont switch to it |
| 01:34.07 | terlmann | period |
| 01:34.12 | terlmann | perhaps 16 bit ? |
| 01:34.22 | jrwr | terlmann: it works in 32bit mode under windows :) |
| 01:34.30 | terlmann | windows is windows |
| 01:34.34 | terlmann | kisss my a** |
| 01:34.45 | x_link | peterS: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.21-2-k7 ? |
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| 01:34.48 | terlmann | Windows correctly works with winmodems too |
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| 01:35.15 | peterS | x_link: yes. that will regenerate the initrd (actually initramfs). then you can reboot and see if the module has been loaded |
| 01:35.30 | lilkid | is there a firewall bundled with debian which is installed by default? if so, then how do i configure it? |
| 01:35.38 | terlmann | jrwk |
| 01:35.45 | terlmann | just message me |
| 01:35.56 | terlmann | and paste the whole xorg.conf |
| 01:35.57 | x_link | peterS: OKej. |
| 01:36.00 | jrwr | i know |
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| 01:36.21 | micky | hello, can someone tell me the name of the package that contains python-config ? or a way to find it ? ( google-ing did not help / same did apt-file ) |
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| 01:36.40 | terlmann | micky |
| 01:36.49 | micky | yes ? |
| 01:36.56 | phogg | lilkid: Linux has only one firewall. Man iptables. |
| 01:36.56 | terlmann | run synaptic and search for "python config" |
| 01:37.01 | terlmann | as two words |
| 01:37.05 | jetscreamer | go march in the streets and drag your iron feet |
| 01:37.05 | terlmann | in descriptions |
| 01:37.15 | jetscreamer | err metal feet |
| 01:37.23 | jetscreamer | no iron nm |
| 01:37.28 | terlmann | phogg : you havnt used firestarter ? |
| 01:37.43 | jrwr | terlmann: are there any program to make a xorg.conf |
| 01:37.46 | terlmann | yes |
| 01:37.51 | jetscreamer | xorgconfig isn't there |
| 01:37.51 | jrwr | ive tried dpkg-reconfigure |
| 01:37.58 | phogg | terlmann: that is not a firewall |
| 01:37.58 | terlmann | without options ? |
| 01:38.02 | phogg | lilkid: there are many front-ends and configuration GUIs for the Linux firewall, which is itself properly in the kernel. |
| 01:38.13 | micky | terlmann synaptic is a "graphical" package manager :) i need something that will doo it in console and does not require X |
| 01:38.14 | jrwr | dpkg-reconfigure xsever-xorg |
| 01:38.21 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 01:38.21 | dpkg | dselect is, like, a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. see fix-unmet |
| 01:38.28 | jetscreamer | !aptitude |
| 01:38.28 | dpkg | [aptitude] "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 01:38.41 | terlmann | lilkid : its prollly the apache conf file |
| 01:38.52 | terlmann | do man apache |
| 01:39.53 | terlmann | my fav command : -->> aptitude --with-recommends -fvv dist-upgrade |
| 01:40.40 | jetscreamer | don't do --with-recommends --with-suggests |
| 01:40.45 | terlmann | what is synaptic based on ? apt or aptitude ? |
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| 01:40.49 | jetscreamer | i think that's non-functional now anyway |
| 01:40.51 | terlmann | actually I do |
| 01:40.55 | x_link | peterS: =) |
| 01:40.59 | terlmann | and it is functionall |
| 01:41.03 | peterS | x_link: oh? |
| 01:41.05 | x_link | Now I didn't get any error when I started a song. |
| 01:41.06 | jetscreamer | then you must have the kitchen sink |
| 01:41.09 | x_link | The time was just elapsing. |
| 01:41.12 | x_link | BUT! |
| 01:41.15 | reiser2 | minicom is cool |
| 01:41.27 | terlmann | I have the kitchen sink in 3 colors and 50 styles |
| 01:41.29 | x_link | I had to put the speakerwire to the onboard soundcard |
| 01:41.34 | terlmann | you aint seen nothing ;-) |
| 01:42.01 | peterS | x_link: strange. so if you 'cat /proc/asound/cards', it shows the MCP55 first and the SB Live second? |
| 01:42.13 | peterS | (the MCP55 is your onboard sound chip) |
| 01:42.17 | terlmann | well I dont do suggests |
| 01:42.28 | terlmann | that gets just about everyhting |
| 01:42.49 | terlmann | but reccomends ? you might actually have a use for the "reccomends" |
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| 01:43.13 | x_link | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.14 | x_link | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.21 | x_link | peterS: Looks just like that |
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| 01:43.46 | peterS | x_link: right, that's the MCP55. so snd_emu10k1 is still not being loaded at boot time |
| 01:43.54 | x_link | Hrm ok |
| 01:44.01 | x_link | Maybe I should run alsaconf now+ |
| 01:44.07 | x_link | After I did this dpkg-reconfigure thing |
| 01:45.32 | lilkid | apache2.conf | sites-available/default seem fine from what i can see, they're not blocking external ip's so i'm at a loss at what to do |
| 01:46.01 | terlmann | lilkid |
| 01:46.07 | terlmann | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:49.27 | x_link | peterS: YES!! =) |
| 01:49.45 | x_link | peterS: It was like I said, the onboard soundcard driver or something was loading as well. So it didn't know what to use. |
| 01:49.56 | x_link | Now I stopped the onboard one and the SB Live card works =) |
| 01:50.03 | peterS | oh, ok. good then. |
| 01:50.29 | x_link | Yeah.. |
| 01:50.39 | x_link | peterS: I don't know what to tell you man. |
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| 01:50.44 | x_link | Thanks ALOT is not enough. |
| 01:50.49 | x_link | But thanks ALOT! |
| 01:50.56 | terlmann | immorialize him |
| 01:51.07 | peterS | I'm just glad it worked. I'm still not sure why it did not work earlier. |
| 01:51.13 | terlmann | write peterS on a peice of tape and attach it to the chip |
| 01:51.19 | peterS | ha |
| 01:51.27 | terlmann | thataway someday youll take it appart and wonder |
| 01:51.32 | x_link | peterS: Honestly, thanks |
| 01:51.33 | terlmann | WTF IS THIS ? |
| 01:51.35 | terlmann | and remember |
| 01:51.40 | x_link | Damn it, it's 0:51 now |
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| 01:51.56 | peterS | hmmm, 20:51 here. I should go do laundry. |
| 01:52.01 | x_link | d |
| 01:52.10 | terlmann | 8:52 |
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| 01:52.17 | terlmann | same same |
| 01:52.19 | micky | 4:52 am :) |
| 01:52.38 | peterS | where is it 0:51? that's 2 hours west of London. is there anything other than Atlantic Ocean? |
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| 01:53.16 | micky | he`s probably in portugal or something like that |
| 01:53.39 | vorpal | azores? |
| 01:53.55 | peterS | I thought .pt was the same TZ as either London or W. Europe |
| 01:54.03 | micky | no idea |
| 01:54.41 | vorpal | actually, that could be brazil |
| 01:54.53 | vorpal | http://nist.time.gov/images/worldzones.gif |
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| 01:55.36 | liable | might be on a boat! |
| 01:55.48 | vorpal | true dayt |
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| 01:56.06 | micky | mid atlantic is -2 and greenland is -3 so anything`s possible :) |
| 01:56.57 | terlmann | what time zone is heaven ? |
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| 01:57.14 | terlmann | what time zone is hell ? ` |
| 01:57.45 | micky | no idea but i'd like to know the time on the far side of the moon if you`re still at that subject :P |
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| 01:57.48 | dondelelcaro | terlmann: which Hell? Norway is GMT+1, iirc. |
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| 01:59.08 | Marupa | Hi, trying to set up tightvnc server, and I'm getting a Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' How do I fix this? |
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| 02:00.54 | stoned | how do I make the 'windows' key popup kde menu? |
| 02:00.56 | terlmann | dondelelcaro : the one with Microsoft in every cubicle |
| 02:01.00 | terlmann | windows me |
| 02:01.09 | terlmann | with no service packs and no firewall |
| 02:01.15 | terlmann | and no antivirus |
| 02:01.26 | terlmann | and no antispyware |
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| 02:01.37 | terlmann | and on a machine made in 1998 |
| 02:01.43 | stoned | how do I map the windows key to anything? |
| 02:01.49 | terlmann | by a chinise firm you cant spell |
| 02:01.49 | stoned | just with xmodmap ? |
| 02:02.22 | dondelelcaro | terlmann: that particular hell isn't on topic here. |
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| 02:02.45 | terlmann | I don't think I would live one second xx |
| 02:02.51 | terlmann | x-| |
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| 02:03.55 | terlmann | gets = |
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| 02:04.12 | terlmann | what is the square root of -1 ? |
| 02:04.18 | terlmann | I can answer that ;-) |
| 02:04.18 | Marupa | i |
| 02:04.19 | TiMiDo | is there any program that allow me to record my webcam? |
| 02:04.23 | terlmann | nope |
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| 02:04.51 | dondelelcaro | terlmann: spend the next 10 minutes trying to remember to stay on topic for #debian, or learning about #debian-offtopic |
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| 02:05.15 | Marupa | Could anyone help me with my font problem? |
| 02:05.54 | simonrvn | !fixed font |
| 02:05.55 | dpkg | from memory, fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
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| 02:06.15 | Marupa | ahh, all right. |
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| 02:08.46 | kevinl-- | i have a PAM / GDM / MySQL issue. Im have libpam-mysql installed on my system. I am trying to make it so that only gdm utilizes libpam-mysql, as of now as soon as my system hits initramfs it starts making tons of queries against the db for user and group info. I think this is because mysql is now listed in /etc/nsswitch.conf . I believe this is mandatory to get pam to use mysql at all though. Any ideas? |
| 02:09.58 | kevinl-- | something is occuring when glibc or some scripts or something dont find what they are looking for in /etc/passwd, it falls back on mysql, when i only want gdm to use mysql for authenticating users. |
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| 02:15.32 | mosno | aww pdo down |
| 02:15.39 | mosno | damned spammers |
| 02:15.58 | mosno | er, debianplanet.org |
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| 02:17.22 | superman | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. <-- how do i do this? |
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| 02:18.25 | LeFallen | A question if I may: When I apt-get source php4 on my sarge, I get 4.3.10-19. Should this not be 4.3.10-22? |
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| 02:18.53 | jdavis | How do I upgrade my bios when all the utilities provided are for dos? |
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| 02:19.20 | LeFallen | jdavis: You could use freedos maybe |
| 02:19.32 | jdavis | LeFallen: Hmm, ok. I'll give it a try. |
| 02:19.50 | LeFallen | jdavis: might be a little dangerous though :S |
| 02:20.32 | LeFallen | jdavis: I THINK freedos is completely compatible with MSDOS 6.22 - might want to search around a bit just in case though :) |
| 02:20.37 | superman | will i have any problem if i remove that w2fsprogs? |
| 02:20.45 | simonrvn | freedos usage is fine for that |
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| 02:20.59 | jdavis | LeFallen: yeah, I'll look around first. |
| 02:21.03 | simonrvn | jdavis: ^^^ |
| 02:21.08 | jdavis | simonrvn: Oh ok |
| 02:21.20 | jdavis | simonrvn, LeFallen: thanks |
| 02:21.25 | simonrvn | i've used it several times already with no probs |
| 02:21.37 | simonrvn | np |
| 02:22.33 | LeFallen | good to know |
| 02:25.02 | superman | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. <-- is it safe to do so? |
| 02:25.22 | LeFallen | Can anyone advise me as to why apt-get source php4 isn't getting 4.3.10-22? |
| 02:25.28 | simonrvn | do it and you won't have to deal with it anymore |
| 02:25.58 | superman | This is often bad |
| 02:30.15 | simonrvn | yes, but it needs doing. and it'll be ok |
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| 02:32.53 | acu | why iceweasel quits very often ? |
| 02:33.26 | superman | damn..just to install lighthttp takes so much work and it ends with a dpkg error..trash server then |
| 02:34.06 | krazykit | acu, many reasons, ranging from general instability to crappy plugins like java and flash |
| 02:34.55 | acu | krazkit: you are right - java might be crappy plugin - what should I do to make it less crapy ? |
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| 02:35.08 | ctatuk | Is there a site to search listings for lspci so I can figure out which one is my laptop's built-in USB webcam so I can get it working? This is my laptop http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2758 , and this is my lspci listing http://rafb.net/p/tpeGEi82.txt .. |
| 02:35.43 | mzb | ctatuk: built in USB? try lsusb |
| 02:36.03 | Xenguy | Hi - After a reboot my Lenny/Testing will not boot into X; usually this means nvidia is broken again :-) I have looked at the debian wiki how-to, and STFW, but can't get X up and running (also tried the free driver 'nv', but the resolution is unbearable unfortunately). Is it worth trying to install the nvidia drivers the non-Debian way, if the Debian way doesn't seem to be working for me? |
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| 02:36.18 | scenestar | ok |
| 02:36.22 | scenestar | im having the weirdest shit ever happen to me |
| 02:36.30 | ctatuk | mzb: http://rafb.net/p/euWpyw94.txt |
| 02:36.34 | scenestar | i got a laptop running etch connected to my lan and to my internet |
| 02:36.37 | krazykit | Xenguy, there's Lots of Breakage that way. for now, i'd use VESA drivers. you'll at least get a good resolution |
| 02:36.49 | ctatuk | mzb: I recognize my mouse and printer but I don't know what that ALi corp thing is. |
| 02:36.53 | scenestar | i can browse the internet and reach my own lan gateway |
| 02:37.04 | Xenguy | krazykit: other people have been affected this way you mean? |
| 02:37.06 | scenestar | however i cannot reach the box itself from any other computer on my lan |
| 02:37.13 | scenestar | it doesnt even reply to pings |
| 02:37.17 | scenestar | allthough it is there |
| 02:37.24 | krazykit | Xenguy, uh, i dunno, but VESA will give you a good resolution while you figure out the issue |
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| 02:37.41 | LeFallen | scenestar: You probably have the firewall running. |
| 02:37.48 | scenestar | theres a firewall |
| 02:37.57 | scenestar | since when si that shit turned on by default |
| 02:38.14 | Xenguy | krazykit: tx, I'm aware of vesa, but the resolution is also poor - I could not use X that way for long :-/ |
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| 02:38.29 | krazykit | Xenguy, sheesh, what resolution do you usually run? |
| 02:38.31 | jrwr | what is a good tool for making xorg config files |
| 02:38.46 | scenestar | jrwr VIM |
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| 02:38.59 | scenestar | there is no tool for it |
| 02:39.00 | jrwr | im having a major prob with the Nvidia Drivers |
| 02:39.04 | scenestar | use your brain and a text editor |
| 02:39.09 | scenestar | or go join #ubuntu |
| 02:39.17 | krazykit | jrwr, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is pretty simple |
| 02:39.19 | scenestar | they have more patience for users like you there |
| 02:39.36 | Xenguy | krazykit: nm, I appreciate your suggestion, but vesa resolution is a well-known issue (otherwise I'd just stab the nvidia drivers and use vesa :-) |
| 02:39.42 | jrwr | Ok then, tell me ever after using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, that im still stuck in 640x480! |
| 02:39.43 | liable | scenestar: calm down dude |
| 02:39.47 | karsten | scenestar: Mind the attitude. |
| 02:40.00 | cafuego | and do as i say. |
| 02:40.01 | scenestar | man he reminds me of the people that post on digg |
| 02:40.05 | liable | jrwr: read your log, see why its baulking on the other modes |
| 02:40.07 | mzb | ctatuk: lsusb -v (read the manpage) |
| 02:40.23 | jrwr | No Mode for 1048x768 |
| 02:40.27 | simonrvn | qwerwegkrjirssi locked up again |
| 02:40.27 | simonrvn | we |
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| 02:40.39 | krazykit | jrwr, well, it's 1024x768, that might help. |
| 02:41.01 | jrwr | i ment that :) |
| 02:41.01 | scenestar | hahah 1048, |
| 02:41.04 | scenestar | oh |
| 02:41.24 | ctatuk | mzb: looks like i have an M5602 webcam |
| 02:43.10 | simonrvn | phew, i thought i was going to get kicked |
| 02:44.11 | karsten | scenestar: #ubuntu is for Ubuntu questions, not for people you don't like. |
| 02:44.16 | mzb | ctatuk: google should tell you the rest :) |
| 02:45.06 | ctatuk | yes, the driver page is at https://sourceforge.net/projects/m560x-driver/ but there are no files posted yet because they just moved to SF.net and their old site URL just redirects to sf.net :| |
| 02:45.11 | simonrvn | for sure karsten |
| 02:45.40 | scenestar | ctatuk ever tried archive.org |
| 02:46.15 | ctatuk | yes but it looks like i'll just try building from svn since they haven't made a release and this seems to be the only possibility of getting my webcam working |
| 02:46.31 | simonrvn | i gotta take a look at what's making logrotate make run-parts go zombie... |
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| 02:48.32 | sayers | How do I kill my Xorg |
| 02:48.53 | Xenguy | Ctrl-Alt-Backspace ? |
| 02:48.58 | sayers | No |
| 02:48.59 | karsten | scenestar: <ctrl><alt><backspace> |
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| 02:49.08 | sayers | that stabs it then gives it Medical Attention |
| 02:49.10 | karsten | scenestar: If you want it to stay dead: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 02:49.11 | sayers | I want to kill it |
| 02:49.20 | sayers | ty |
| 02:49.24 | Xenguy | sayers: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 02:49.25 | karsten | !nox |
| 02:49.25 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 02:49.54 | karsten | Well, seeing as he just dropped, I think something worked ;-) |
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| 02:51.37 | superman | update-rc.d is the file that i must edit for services right? |
| 02:51.52 | karsten | scenestar: No, you run it. |
| 02:51.57 | karsten | scenestar: man update-rc.d |
| 02:52.15 | Xenguy | scenestar: or install rcconf if it is available |
| 02:52.23 | scenestar | erhm |
| 02:52.28 | superman | google:~# man update-rc.d |
| 02:52.28 | superman | No manual entry for update-rc.d |
| 02:52.53 | scenestar | ok i just disabled iptables |
| 02:53.03 | scenestar | but im still getting strange lan voodoo |
| 02:53.13 | mzb | ctatuk: http://old.m560x.x3ng.com/wiki |
| 02:53.23 | karsten | superman: Do you have sysv-rc installed? |
| 02:54.04 | scenestar | karsten this blows |
| 02:54.08 | Xenguy | woodoo that voodoo |
| 02:54.08 | karsten | superman: Unfortunately, it's a blow-up voodoo doll, which somewhat limits its practical utility. |
| 02:54.10 | scenestar | i got a machine that is on my lan |
| 02:54.19 | scenestar | but its not fucking replying to pings |
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| 02:54.38 | karsten | scenestar: Um, ICMP echo reply disabled? f*cked up route on the ystem in question? |
| 02:54.49 | karsten | scenestar: can you nmap it with -P0 option (no ping)? |
| 02:54.54 | scenestar | hmmm |
| 02:55.22 | scenestar | yeah |
| 02:55.22 | scenestar | i can |
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| 02:55.50 | scenestar | Initiating ARP Ping Scan at 04:55 |
| 02:55.50 | scenestar | Scanning 192.168.0.20 [1 port] |
| 02:55.50 | scenestar | Completed ARP Ping Scan at 04:55, 0.38s elapsed (1 total hosts) |
| 02:56.02 | scenestar | Nmap finished: 1 IP address (0 hosts up) scanned in 0.734 seconds |
| 02:56.02 | scenestar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.53 | dotCOMmie | anyone know if its possible to get a process to switch shells while its running |
| 02:57.21 | scenestar | the only 2 things that i can think of is that A: my router is b0rked or 2: ndiswrapper and my bcm4318 card are acting up |
| 02:57.25 | dotCOMmie | I have an ssh session running on a machine in a temonal is there a way to "hijack" that session? |
| 02:57.26 | karsten | dotCOMmie: A process isn't running a shell. |
| 02:57.31 | scenestar | its most likely the latter |
| 02:57.52 | karsten | dotCOMmie: However, you can get some processes to change their default shells (eg: your current shell) by changing the environment from within it. |
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| 02:58.14 | karsten | scenestar: Is the host directly visible to you or do you go through a hop to get to it? |
| 02:58.18 | karsten | scenestar: mtr will tell you that. |
| 02:58.24 | scenestar | derrr |
| 02:58.27 | scenestar | mt what? |
| 02:58.29 | dotCOMmie | karsten: pardon? |
| 02:58.44 | karsten | dotCOMmie: screen, tcpspy. |
| 02:58.57 | karsten | dotCOMmie: You're pardoned. |
| 02:59.05 | karsten | dotCOMmie: Just don't ask for clemency. |
| 02:59.30 | dotCOMmie | karsten: screen wont help if the process is already running. |
| 02:59.50 | dotCOMmie | I'm not familiar with tcspy. |
| 03:00.10 | karsten | dotCOMmie: It may be able to access a given PTY, I'm not sure. ttysnoop is the other program I'm thinking of, not tcpspy. |
| 03:00.29 | karsten | dotCOMmie: I haven't used it. I know about it, that's all. |
| 03:01.19 | n3kl | Howdy. Anyone have any experience with djohn? |
| 03:01.31 | scenestar | ah |
| 03:01.40 | karsten | !anyone |
| 03:01.40 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 03:01.48 | karsten | n3kl: Just ask |
| 03:02.00 | scenestar | resolver error: No error returned but no errors given |
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| 03:03.12 | fuzza | hi all |
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| 03:10.09 | scenestar_ | goddammit |
| 03:11.19 | scenestar_ | im not sure what is wrong with this box, so i guess im just going to have to blame this one on the jews |
| 03:11.29 | fuzza | any way (short of a reboot) to kill a process when kill -9 won't do? |
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| 03:11.40 | scenestar_ | kill the pwoer |
| 03:11.58 | karsten | !tell fuzza about zombie |
| 03:12.00 | fuzza | well yeah |
| 03:12.12 | fuzza | yeah I thought so |
| 03:12.25 | karsten | fuzza: Sometimes you can kill its parent. What's state? 'Z' or 'D' ? |
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| 03:13.31 | fuzza | karsten: not sure if I can tell, this one's actually an openserver box |
| 03:13.35 | fuzza | (yes we hate) |
| 03:13.45 | fuzza | (yes we use linux for subsequent installs) |
| 03:14.32 | superman | how do you run update-rc.d if it doesnt exist? |
| 03:14.34 | fuzza | but it's been around since 3/7 |
| 03:14.37 | fuzza | and its parent is now init |
| 03:14.45 | fuzza | wonder if HUPing init will do it? |
| 03:14.50 | cafuego | superman: if it doesn't exist, you have a problem. |
| 03:15.05 | superman | cafuego, what should i do then? |
| 03:15.06 | karsten | fuzza: "openserver"? |
| 03:15.16 | karsten | superman: install it |
| 03:15.21 | karsten | !tell superman about installit |
| 03:15.27 | karsten | !tell superman about search |
| 03:15.43 | fuzza | karsten: sco |
| 03:15.50 | fuzza | 5.0.7 |
| 03:15.51 | cafuego | superman: Does /usr/sbin/update-rc.d work? |
| 03:16.08 | superman | bash: /usr/sbin/update-rc.d: No such file or directory |
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| 03:16.21 | cafuego | Are you in fact on a debian box? |
| 03:16.28 | superman | yup |
| 03:16.29 | karsten | fuzza: /msg dpkg not debian. |
| 03:16.42 | cafuego | Does the box know? ;-) |
| 03:16.47 | superman | i think it must be the apt-get break loop problem i guess... |
| 03:16.51 | karsten | superman: aptitude install sysv-rc |
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| 03:16.58 | superman | i forced it..and the update-rc.d must have got deleted |
| 03:17.44 | l0rdbalthazar | I have a server that, for the longest time, only had 1 NIC. I just added another one and it doesn't show up, but the BIOS sees it. It's exactly the same as the other one, so I know it's not the kernel not knowing it. |
| 03:17.53 | fuzza | yeah I know this is #debian but it's generally more helpful than #linux |
| 03:18.01 | fuzza | plus signals are signals, aren't they? |
| 03:18.04 | karsten | l0rdbalthazar: lspci, lshw |
| 03:18.24 | cafuego | What can I say, when dealing with sco I'd suggest installing something not sco. |
| 03:18.25 | karsten | fuzza: Your question remains OT. |
| 03:18.30 | superman | karsten, its ok..i ran that command.. it gives me tons of dependencies problem |
| 03:18.48 | cafuego | The best debian related info we can give you is to install a decent os ;-) |
| 03:18.52 | superman | so i did a apt-get -f install |
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| 03:19.06 | superman | and it gives me dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH. back.. |
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| 03:19.17 | l0rdbalthazar | karsten: For some reason, it doesn't show the new one. |
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| 03:21.20 | superman | so no way to fix it? |
| 03:21.41 | fuzza | I know, I know... I hate sco as much as the next person, and openserver is a joke of an os |
| 03:21.52 | fuzza | but it's called existing installs :( |
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| 03:22.11 | fuzza | anyway |
| 03:23.28 | stew | superman: what version of debian are you running? |
| 03:23.52 | stew | superman: oh it looks like you are trying to skip a release? |
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| 03:24.16 | stew | superman: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 03:24.27 | keith_ | stew! |
| 03:25.14 | seanp2k | hi, I have to manually configure my built-in wireless every time I boot. How can I set it up so it automagically does this? (ifconfig ath0 up, set WEP key, dhclient ath0) |
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| 03:25.56 | stew | seanp2k: man wireless ; man interfaces |
| 03:26.20 | keith_ | does iwconfig let you save wep key, essid, etc? |
| 03:26.35 | seanp2k | is there a command to save it? |
| 03:26.50 | seanp2k | or what file do I put the commands in so it will autorun with a login for any user |
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| 03:27.00 | keith_ | see what stew wrote |
| 03:27.07 | seanp2k | alright |
| 03:27.11 | stew | seanp2k: man wireless ; man interfaces |
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| 03:27.26 | karsten | superman: busy and leaving shortly. |
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| 03:28.18 | cast | i completely screwed up my / [ext3], accidently hit y to e2fsck |
| 03:28.39 | keith_ | ouch |
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| 03:29.23 | karsten | cast: Wups. |
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| 03:30.02 | karsten | cast: Been there, done that. Save anything from /etc/ if you can mount it at all (it should be read-only). /var/backups will have your apt package state, password, and group files. |
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| 03:30.30 | karsten | cast: Then you want to run a forced reinstall of everything on your system. Is / a seperate filesystem or are you One Big Partition? |
| 03:30.43 | karsten | cast: I usually split /, /usr, /tmp, /var, /home, and /boot. |
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| 03:31.16 | karsten | cast: ls -d /usr/share/doc/[a-z]* == package listing, BTW. |
| 03:31.33 | cast | ahh too late. just reinstalled :). backuped up /etc and /var, it was partitioned / /home /var, now its /boot / /home /var |
| 03:31.43 | karsten | cast: OK, nevermind then. |
| 03:32.04 | cast | took 10 minutes to get a base system, with custom lvm/luks partitioning setup :) |
| 03:32.08 | xlotlu | any idea how boost could be compiled against python2.4 on sid? |
| 03:32.53 | seanp2k | ok so let me get this straight...if i have a secondary USB wifi adapter and I use ifup --allow=hotplug wlan0" then every time I plug it in it will auto-configure it? |
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| 03:36.02 | lhrrwcc | hi. |
| 03:36.53 | lhrrwcc | is debian's etch working fine with amd64 or there is something i should know before installing it? |
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| 03:37.02 | cast | it works very well lhrrwcc :) |
| 03:37.22 | cast | 3 missing pkgs i've noticed are john, wine and flash. |
| 03:37.34 | lhrrwcc | oh, i need wine and flash |
| 03:37.43 | runev | what should be used to view pdf files in linux? |
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| 03:37.54 | lhrrwcc | xpdf, acroread, evince |
| 03:38.03 | cafuego | wine is 32bit, so touch luck. Runs in a chroot though. Flash works fine with nspluginwrapper. |
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| 03:38.09 | lhrrwcc | cast, tellme, installing ia32-libs solve that ? |
| 03:38.17 | lhrrwcc | or i need the chroot trick? |
| 03:38.54 | cast | i'd be thinking chroot, but i do not know. i try to avoid closed source crap :) |
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| 03:39.09 | cafuego | wine isn't closed ;-) |
| 03:39.20 | lhrrwcc | i need it to play fritz ;) |
| 03:39.21 | cast | cafuego: ahh but whats it used for! |
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| 03:39.30 | cafuego | cast: Firefox W32! |
| 03:39.32 | lhrrwcc | ok, chroot trick is not that bad. |
| 03:39.43 | cast | [to let MCSE run mIRC in SUSE, no doubt] |
| 03:39.56 | cafuego | lhrrwcc: You won't need a chroot for flash though. install nspluginwrapper and use that. |
| 03:40.00 | lhrrwcc | its possible to install debian on xfs? in installation does it ask for using xfs? |
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| 03:40.08 | lhrrwcc | cafuego, thanks sir. |
| 03:40.08 | nitro4ce | what cflags are used for the official debian packages? -02 -03 ? |
| 03:40.21 | lhrrwcc | i guess -O2 |
| 03:40.23 | cast | i thought 02 but am not sure |
| 03:40.24 | cafuego | -O2 if any |
| 03:40.28 | lhrrwcc | -O3 would be to risky |
| 03:40.36 | nitro4ce | ok thanks |
| 03:41.08 | lhrrwcc | the only thing that gcc do well is -O2 (might be in some cases -O3) and -march |
| 03:41.17 | lhrrwcc | don't try anything else if you want things to be stable |
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| 03:41.43 | lhrrwcc | -O2 -march and -j 8 |
| 03:41.49 | lhrrwcc | [number of threading] |
| 03:41.58 | ale666 | anyone know how to get syntax highlighting in less |
| 03:42.00 | lhrrwcc | while -j is a "user choice" |
| 03:42.21 | cafuego | And keep in mind that run-time speed on self-recompiled stuff doesn't win you back the time you lost spent compiling in the first place. |
| 03:42.33 | lhrrwcc | and that the diff is not too night |
| 03:42.38 | lhrrwcc | significant |
| 03:42.51 | lhrrwcc | its better to do: prelink + preload + preemtive kernel on a desktop |
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| 03:42.57 | lhrrwcc | its really better than optimized binaries |
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| 03:43.21 | lhrrwcc | cafuego, its possible to install debian on a xfs filesystem? |
| 03:43.23 | cast | ale666: nope, but vim -R is similarish to less :) |
| 03:43.27 | cafuego | lhrrwcc: yup |
| 03:43.33 | cast | my / is xfs atm |
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| 03:43.45 | lhrrwcc | cafuego, oh, in the installation it ask you to use xfs, ext*, ... ? |
| 03:44.00 | lhrrwcc | [i used debian like 10 years ago] |
| 03:44.02 | cast | [no, i lied! its not. everything else is] |
| 03:44.13 | cast | you have to have a non-xfs boot partition |
| 03:44.22 | cast | otherwise grub will crash and burn |
| 03:44.23 | cafuego | lhrrwcc: if you do manual partitining you cvna chosoe exactly what and how you want for fs and partition types, including but not limited to software raid and lvm. |
| 03:44.25 | lhrrwcc | oh,cause of grub shitty |
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| 03:44.40 | lhrrwcc | yes i see. |
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| 03:45.13 | lhrrwcc | well, i guess i have to go back to primitive linux :( |
| 03:45.29 | cast | you must have linux confused with something else |
| 03:45.44 | lhrrwcc | i use fbsd, but no driver for my graphic card on amd64 sir |
| 03:45.54 | lhrrwcc | so back again to linux |
| 03:46.08 | cast | oh, nvidia release a 32bit but not 64bit freebsd driver? |
| 03:46.12 | lhrrwcc | exactly |
| 03:46.21 | lhrrwcc | and one will have to wait at least 4 years :P |
| 03:46.22 | cast | how annoying. more closed source crap! |
| 03:46.35 | lhrrwcc | its due mmap, and bsd will not gave his fabolous mmap stuff for nvidia i guess |
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| 03:47.16 | lhrrwcc | I thought about debian "derivatives" as ubuntu and stuff, but as far as i read, ubuntu 32 works better than ubuntu on 64 |
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| 03:49.17 | anapivirtua | http://www.openstandards.eu/main-en |
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| 03:51.37 | jetscreamer | !acx |
| 03:51.49 | jetscreamer | darn |
| 03:51.49 | cafuego | lhrrwcc: *shrug* I use ubuntu64 on the desktop and apart from the lack of java plugin, all is fine. |
| 03:52.02 | cafuego | acx111 or acx100? |
| 03:52.08 | lhrrwcc | nobody says it's doesn't fine |
| 03:52.15 | jetscreamer | what do i have to do to get a ti acx 11 54Mbps wireless interface going |
| 03:52.19 | lhrrwcc | but there is a really diff between ubuntu32 and ubuntu 64 :) |
| 03:52.23 | lhrrwcc | that's the question |
| 03:52.39 | cafuego | lhrrwcc: media processing is much faster on 64bit |
| 03:52.47 | jetscreamer | err 111 |
| 03:52.51 | jetscreamer | acx111 |
| 03:52.51 | cafuego | i run my ffmpeg x264 stuff on amd64 |
| 03:53.15 | lhrrwcc | until apps stop being "compiled for 64", and start being rewritting, we will no see the big diff |
| 03:53.21 | cafuego | jetscreamer: I have an acx111, you can either use ndiswrapper or grab the required firmware files and ise acx_pci |
| 03:53.34 | lhrrwcc | ie: if you use mathematica for 64, and for 32 you will see the big picture |
| 03:53.41 | seanp2k | ok I read both those man pages and i still don't know what to do |
| 03:53.53 | cast | seanp2k: whichwhat? |
| 03:54.03 | cast | ahh. hotplug. |
| 03:54.06 | lhrrwcc | cafuego, debian suffers from the lack of java plugin? |
| 03:54.20 | cafuego | lhrrwcc: ubuntu 64 does |
| 03:54.25 | cast | curious use of the word suffers! |
| 03:54.27 | seanp2k | cast: i have built in wifi and another external usb wifi device and i want to automagically bring them up when i start / plug them in |
| 03:54.39 | lhrrwcc | i`m not an native english speaker, so sorry about that |
| 03:55.00 | seanp2k | translation: java sux |
| 03:55.02 | cafuego | Poppycock, neither am I. |
| 03:55.59 | jetscreamer | cafuego: ok then, thankee |
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| 03:56.22 | Gigantic | .!boo |
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| 03:56.28 | jetscreamer | !boo |
| 03:56.31 | cafuego | jetscreamer: I can tar up acx111 firmware if you want me to |
| 03:56.35 | lhrrwcc | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/debianjava.htm |
| 03:56.40 | lhrrwcc | seems that there is a way. |
| 03:56.49 | cafuego | jetscreamer: I've found it a bit wonky on < 2.6.20 kernels |
| 03:57.00 | jetscreamer | cafuego: i'm not really ready for it yet, but thank you |
| 03:57.10 | jetscreamer | it's .21 fresh lenny |
| 03:57.10 | cafuego | lhrrwcc: There is a blackdown java 1.4 plugin |
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| 03:58.59 | lhrrwcc | my last question, i should download the netinst iso from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/amd64/iso-cd/ ? (for netinstaltion), or there is a new fancy way? |
| 03:59.14 | n3kl | Where do I install a dJohn external module for john? |
| 03:59.18 | jetscreamer | goodbye-windows.com is cool for installing debian |
| 03:59.30 | jetscreamer | might only be i386 though not sure |
| 03:59.37 | cafuego | lhrrwcc: Yeah, just grab it from there. There is a fancy way for large isos, but such a small one, just fetch it like that. |
| 03:59.45 | lhrrwcc | i have no windows |
| 03:59.45 | cafuego | jetscreamer: no ppc one? ;-) |
| 03:59.49 | lhrrwcc | thanks |
| 04:00.00 | lhrrwcc | if debian doesn't work i guess i will wait for leopard :P |
| 04:00.04 | cafuego | I have windows, virtualised, under Linux. |
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| 04:00.23 | jetscreamer | !ppc |
| 04:00.23 | dpkg | ppc is, like, is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
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| 04:00.47 | lhrrwcc | powepc is not the best archectire, i doubt there is a "best one" |
| 04:00.58 | cafuego | !factinfo ppc |
| 04:00.58 | dpkg | ppc -- last modified at Mon Mar 6 02:56:43 2006 by abrotman!n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman; it has been requested 88 times, last by jetscreamer, 35s ago. |
| 04:01.20 | cafuego | Note it doesn't say 'the best' |
| 04:01.26 | cafuego | only 'the superior' |
| 04:01.33 | lhrrwcc | ok, superior ;-) |
| 04:01.35 | cafuego | ... whcih it is. |
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| 04:01.44 | jetscreamer | i saw a mac once |
| 04:01.48 | HackSign | #hi romm ,when i open something my bash return me an error' X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 172' |
| 04:02.02 | HackSign | how could i solve this problem ? |
| 04:02.03 | jetscreamer | !room |
| 04:02.03 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 04:02.23 | Gigantic | ppc isn't that ood |
| 04:02.40 | Gigantic | g |
| 04:04.07 | lhrrwcc | it depends on what do you need |
| 04:04.35 | unlink | upgrading lvm2 is asking me to remove lvm-common...is this safe? |
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| 04:05.12 | lhrrwcc | check what is depending on lvm-common |
| 04:06.23 | lhrrwcc | i hope fvwm will run nice on this new machine |
| 04:06.26 | lhrrwcc | ;-) |
| 04:06.39 | unlink | c lvm2, s schroot, c udev |
| 04:06.46 | Gigantic | doesn't it run anywhere? |
| 04:06.54 | lhrrwcc | yeah ;-) |
| 04:07.22 | lhrrwcc | i can't live without it. |
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| 04:07.54 | lhrrwcc | debian install all that notifiers that came with ubuntu? (update-notifier, .... ) |
| 04:08.06 | dondelelcaro | lhrrwcc: you can, but it's not installed by default. |
| 04:08.14 | lhrrwcc | oh, thanks god. |
| 04:08.19 | dontnow | i need download this cd for instalation? |
| 04:08.22 | seanp2k | cast: i installed and configured ifplugd. Is that all i need to do? (note: there was no place where I put in my WEP key) |
| 04:08.29 | dondelelcaro | dontnow: which cd? |
| 04:08.30 | seanp2k | I have found a guide (http://www.vollink.com/gary/deb_wifi.html) that suggests using wpa_supplicant for WEP / WPA duty but i installed wpa_supplicant and there is no /etc/default/wpasupplicant as described in the guide |
| 04:08.42 | Gigantic | lhrrwcc: Wellcome |
| 04:08.50 | cast | seanp2k: i do not know. i am too poor for wireless and laptops |
| 04:09.09 | lhrrwcc | Gigantic, you are a fvwm2 user? :) |
| 04:09.49 | Gigantic | lhrrwcc: Not actually, I prefer KDE and Window Maker |
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| 04:10.13 | lhrrwcc | Gigantic, i see, don't worry nobody is perfect :) |
| 04:10.21 | stoned | howdy |
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| 04:10.41 | Gigantic | lhrrwcc: Sure, I forgive all your sins |
| 04:10.50 | jzxu | is backports.org down? |
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| 04:11.26 | dewey | good day mates |
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| 04:11.46 | dewey | an update from adept manager is stuck at 50%? |
| 04:12.02 | lhrrwcc | adept is a package manager? |
| 04:12.12 | dewey | hmmm a kernel diff package? |
| 04:12.36 | lhrrwcc | never installed a kernel package |
| 04:13.03 | dewey | lhrrwcc: yes I am in kde |
| 04:13.25 | lhrrwcc | i envy you. |
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| 04:13.40 | dewey | lhrrwcc: what wm you use? |
| 04:13.45 | lhrrwcc | fvwm |
| 04:13.57 | lhrrwcc | kde is a de not a wm |
| 04:14.05 | lhrrwcc | kwin or something is the wm of kde |
| 04:14.31 | lhrrwcc | http://hlg.cohomology.org/~hlg/last.jpg |
| 04:16.07 | seanp2k | I'm trying to get wpasupplicant configured but all the guides I've found mention a file "/etc/default/wpasupplicant" and I do not have this file...should I create it? |
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| 04:18.57 | lhrrwcc | nvidia driver works nice on amd64? [this is probably an OT question, so no regrets if noone answer] |
| 04:19.07 | lhrrwcc | with 2.6.x kernel |
| 04:19.29 | cast | they sure do. |
| 04:19.39 | cast | in etch, anyway |
| 04:20.24 | tsocks | xD |
| 04:20.28 | lhrrwcc | hehe, if it was not working good i will use vesa + fbsd :P |
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| 04:21.17 | cast | why vesa and not nv? |
| 04:21.29 | lhrrwcc | works better than nv :) |
| 04:22.06 | Gigantic | ? |
| 04:22.21 | Gigantic | vesa better than nv ? |
| 04:22.31 | Gigantic | unless it is an ATI I don't think so |
| 04:22.31 | lhrrwcc | in fbsd 64amd yes |
| 04:22.43 | Gigantic | ah... |
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| 04:25.25 | lhrrwcc | the chroot workaround for 32bits apps seems clean enough |
| 04:26.55 | xlotlu | is it possible to dpkg-buildpackage a single package when the source provides more packages? |
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| 04:29.30 | jpoon | hey guys... |
| 04:30.00 | cast | hello. |
| 04:30.05 | jpoon | do I use 0-59 for the first column of the crontab file if I want to run a script every minute? |
| 04:30.25 | cast | use * me thinks |
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| 04:31.04 | Gigantic | jpoon: # [min] [hour] [day of month] [month] [day of week] [program to be run] |
| 04:31.12 | lhrrwcc | 1 * * * * user command |
| 04:31.22 | Gigantic | jpoon: put that in the header, it'll help |
| 04:31.32 | cast | lhrrwcc: will run once an hour, wont it? |
| 04:31.44 | Gigantic | nope |
| 04:31.51 | Gigantic | *1 would |
| 04:33.15 | cast | * * * * * runs every minute, right? |
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| 04:33.46 | Gigantic | cast: first slot is minute, second is hour |
| 04:34.00 | cast | right. |
| 04:34.01 | Gigantic | and so on.. |
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| 04:34.42 | cast | 1 * * * * would run whenever the minutes=1, which would be 00:01, 01:01, 02:01...etc in HH:MM format, wouldn't it? |
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| 04:35.53 | jpoon | cast, yes |
| 04:36.11 | jpoon | how do you get something to run every minute? |
| 04:36.17 | jpoon | instead of having to do |
| 04:36.21 | jpoon | 0,1,2,3,4,5...etc |
| 04:36.22 | cast | jpoon: an every minute example is here, http://www.pantz.org/os/linux/programs/cron.shtml |
| 04:37.03 | Gigantic | well, there's no @minutely |
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| 04:38.28 | cast | yah its definitely * * * * * |
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| 04:40.28 | lhrrwcc | yes, you are probably right |
| 04:40.33 | ampex | I thought it was /1 * * * * * |
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| 04:40.44 | lhrrwcc | maybe 1 * .... is for running at the first minute of any hour/day... |
| 04:40.45 | Gigantic | I have -/1 |
| 04:41.07 | ampex | it's */1 * * * * * |
| 04:41.14 | ampex | it's */1 * * * * rather |
| 04:41.16 | cast | ampex: well */1 is the same as * |
| 04:41.20 | Gigantic | no |
| 04:42.34 | jpoon | seems like this isn't as trivial as one would think |
| 04:42.46 | n3kl | What are some distributed password cracking utilities for linux? |
| 04:42.49 | cast | it is. we just suck. |
| 04:42.52 | cast | n3kl: john |
| 04:42.53 | jpoon | heh |
| 04:42.55 | Gigantic | cast: yes, youre right it's **** |
| 04:43.08 | n3kl | cast: using what module? |
| 04:43.16 | cast | Gigantic: lol, * * * * * even |
| 04:43.20 | tsocks | n3kl: john the ripper... |
| 04:43.32 | Gigantic | cast: (resumme ;) |
| 04:43.51 | n3kl | john alone does not have a distributed feature, afaik |
| 04:43.51 | cast | n3kl: hmm, good call. theres a distributed ver, but i don't think its in debian, i also don't know how well it works |
| 04:44.08 | Gigantic | take care John every minute is insane |
| 04:44.28 | n3kl | cast: I spent the last hour trying to get djohn to connect to the djohnd server =[ |
| 04:44.35 | cast | n3kl: you can manually run john in a distributed fashion, by specifying sections of the passwd space to search. which is pretty much what the distributed ver does |
| 04:44.53 | cast | n3kl: if its the one passwd then perhaps its easiest to set it up manually |
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| 04:45.19 | acu | I have installed apache 2.2.3 in Debian created two sites - (created file in sites available www.site1.org and site2.org) created directories in /var/www/site1/htdocs and /var/www/site2/htdocs - site one work perfect ( I use localhost to get to it) but I cannot get the second one www.site2.org any hint why ? |
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| 04:45.44 | n3kl | cast: I know what the password is, is the funny thing. I need to set it up for a lab. Proof of concept more than anything |
| 04:46.01 | n3kl | cast: manually doesn't really quite cut it for me in that respect |
| 04:46.05 | Gigantic | acu: you can not use the same port and IP |
| 04:46.17 | Gigantic | !wtf |
| 04:46.39 | Gigantic | :( I better go sleep |
| 04:46.45 | elmo40 | ~wtf |
| 04:46.46 | acu | Gigantic: wait |
| 04:46.52 | elmo40 | .wtf |
| 04:47.10 | elmo40 | !date |
| 04:47.10 | dpkg | The current date is 2007.07.20 4:47:10 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 04:47.16 | wols | Gigantic: why not? all the shared hosting servres out there will be vry sad at this news |
| 04:47.24 | elmo40 | so it is !, but no wtf? |
| 04:47.44 | Gigantic | wols: ah, yes, but there are VM's |
| 04:47.59 | Gigantic | each VM has it's own IP |
| 04:48.01 | wols | shared hosters don't use VMs. at most phpsuexec |
| 04:48.08 | Gigantic | so the Host work kinda NAT |
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| 04:48.24 | wols | Gigantic: name based vhosts |
| 04:48.32 | Gigantic | or, redirect requests |
| 04:48.34 | wols | which is what acu is trying to do |
| 04:48.36 | acu | I have www.site1.org on 80 (I guess ) should I add 8080 for second (where should I change it) ? |
| 04:48.44 | wols | acu: no |
| 04:49.15 | wols | acu: did you use a2ensite? |
| 04:49.23 | acu | I want to use one IP for more |
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| 04:49.36 | acu | wols - it tells me that is enabled |
| 04:49.48 | wols | error messages are not optional |
| 04:50.07 | acu | I enabled php5 too - that should be for all sites I guess - site1.org work beautifully |
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| 04:51.04 | acu | wols: yes I a2ensite www.site2.org before |
| 04:52.07 | cast | instructions say to put 'alias char-major-235 frandom' in /etc/modules.conf, i presume i have to put it in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases instead? |
| 04:52.24 | bkw_ | how do I change initmode to single? |
| 04:53.03 | wols | cast: iirc /etc/modules.conf works too |
| 04:53.33 | wols | bkw_: boot in single user mode. your grub has an entry for it |
| 04:54.10 | bkw_ | wols: yeah, that's true. does that mode support network? |
| 04:55.00 | wols | it should |
| 04:55.57 | cast | FYI: if /dev/urandom is to slow you and you just want a PRNG then /dev/frandom [kernel module needed] is pretty fast :) 60MB/s on this 2ghz] |
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| 04:56.40 | CyberMad | what is the best mailing list software, right now i use ezmlm but got problem with it.. so there is list@domain.com, there are some subscribers and 1 moderator, but e-mail that come from not subscriber list is redirect to the mailing list members :( |
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| 04:57.36 | acu | !paste |
| 04:57.36 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 05:00.45 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:02.18 | Marupa | I've got an error while ttrying to install gnome, which error is here: http://marupa.net/errorlog.txt can anyone help me figure out why? |
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| 05:03.19 | seanp2k | so I was reading the wiki on wpa (http://wiki.debian.org/WPA) and found out that WPA_supplicant functionality is integrated in the /etc/network/interfaces file and I'm reading through an example config file and can't find how to set a WEP code |
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| 05:05.41 | seanp2k | I just need to know how to set it up so it remembers my damn WEP key every reboot |
| 05:06.34 | seanp2k | using debian etch |
| 05:07.05 | liable | seanp2k: you put it in interfaces file.. wireless-key = foo |
| 05:07.15 | seanp2k | thanks |
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| 05:07.25 | liable | man wireless |
| 05:08.04 | liable | skip the = sign |
| 05:08.53 | seanp2k | my AP has a hidden SSID and is WEP. What should I set wpa-ap-scan to (1 or 2) ? |
| 05:09.27 | liable | where did you get that info from? |
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| 05:10.01 | seanp2k | http://tinyurl.com/2yf7bm |
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| 05:10.37 | seanp2k | it reccomends ap_scan=2 for WEP and ap_scan=1 for hidden ssid |
| 05:10.56 | liable | if you just have the one ap you use, and it wep, put it all in interfaces. no need for wpasupp |
| 05:11.04 | Marupa | Any ideas on my hal-setup error? |
| 05:11.55 | seanp2k | alright. I wanted it set up so it would auto connect to an open one if it was around though but that would be a lower priority than my home WEP one |
| 05:12.09 | seanp2k | i think i have that configured properly in ifplugd |
| 05:14.46 | seanp2k | nvm, i think i've got it |
| 05:14.49 | seanp2k | thanks |
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| 05:15.57 | k-man | is there something I have to do with more recent kernels to get them to load SATA drivers at boot time? |
| 05:16.54 | k-man | i can boot 2.6.18 ok, but 2.6.21 drops me to a prompt and complains that it can't access /dev/sata |
| 05:17.39 | trampel | so i bought a new box which has ubuntu on it. but i'd like to return to good ol' pure debian. do i need to wipe it clean and start over, or will resetting apt/sources suffice? (thankee!) |
| 05:18.53 | liable | trampel: reinstall |
| 05:19.54 | tsocks | ?? |
| 05:19.54 | Radiske | o.O |
| 05:20.04 | tsocks | [0_o] |
| 05:20.05 | trampel | liable: yep... i suppose that's the best. thank you. |
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| 05:21.30 | GreaseMonkey | you can guarantee that a netsplit looks most impressive in here or #ubuntu . |
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| 05:23.37 | tsocks | ; |
| 05:23.39 | tsocks | ;\ |
| 05:24.53 | cast | doh. if i need newer versions for freetype and imlib2 than are in etch to build e16.8, will it work if i install the latest vers of freetype and imlib2 into /usr/local/stow and make e16 configure look there? *isn't sure but presumes it will* |
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| 05:28.01 | cast | hmm, well. it should build, just imlib2 1.4 is recommended. i shall try and see! |
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| 05:33.05 | Marupa | I've got an error while ttrying to install gnome, which error is here: http://marupa.net/errorlog.txt can anyone help me figure out why? <re> |
| 05:33.42 | dondelelcaro | Marupa: the error is that hal's postinst script is failing. |
| 05:33.58 | dondelelcaro | Marupa: you'll have to add a set -x to the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/hal.postinst and rerun dpkg --configure -a; |
| 05:34.50 | Marupa | it has a set -e change to set -x? |
| 05:34.59 | Marupa | or just add the line? |
| 05:35.40 | micky | Marupa <dondelelcaro> Marupa: you'll have to add a set -x to the top |
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| 05:37.20 | Marupa | same error |
| 05:38.19 | dondelelcaro | Marupa: you'll get the same error, but it should give you much more output that you can show to us |
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| 05:38.57 | cast | whats the bash shortcut for last executed cmd? |
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| 05:39.19 | liable | up arrow |
| 05:39.23 | Marupa | refresh the text file, i've updated i t. |
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| 05:40.05 | hburchey | How do I make grub not probe for devices? It takes so long... |
| 05:40.31 | dondelelcaro | Marupa: so you now need to figure out why /etc/init.d/hal sis failing |
| 05:40.40 | dondelelcaro | hburchey: you probably want --no-floppy |
| 05:40.49 | Marupa | dondelelcaro: and how would I do that? |
| 05:40.50 | dondelelcaro | Marupa: try /etc/init.d/hal start |
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| 05:40.54 | dondelelcaro | Marupa: see what it does. |
| 05:41.12 | hburchey | dondelelcaro, I tried --no-floppy but grub ignores it and accesses the floppy anyway... |
| 05:41.22 | Marupa | seems to have started. |
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| 05:42.35 | Marupa | dondelelcaro: or rather, it has no error ouput |
| 05:43.51 | cast | ok to answer my own question its !! |
| 05:44.05 | cast | brain took a dump and i couldn't even remember meta-. :\ |
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| 05:48.55 | dondelelcaro | Marupa: do a restart, and then check what $? is; if it's not zero, you'll have to see why it's failing. You can use the same set -x; trick to get more output in /etc/init.d/hal |
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| 05:58.12 | [itrebal] | is there a way to find a list of all the packages that are currently installed that were installed via apt? I have several that I installed via dpkg seperately via backports.org, but I need to find out which they were |
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| 05:59.26 | Marupa | it's 1 |
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| 06:00.39 | mosno | itrebal: aptitude seems to provide this in its interactive UI |
| 06:00.49 | mosno | ie. curses |
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| 06:02.23 | Marupa | dondelelcaro: what lines do you need? |
| 06:02.59 | CyberMad | which one better, mailman or ezmlm for mailing list? |
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| 06:04.15 | itrebal | moshii: thanks a lot |
| 06:04.34 | itrebal | CyberMad: in my experience, I really like ezmlm but I can't explay why or offer support for it :P |
| 06:07.07 | atula | hi guys. really emergency here. I got a server that jsut went down... which had lilo.. now it ain't booting. I ned grub bad. got the netinstall disk... in rescue mode... now what? |
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| 06:08.06 | CyberMad | itrebal do you use it for mailing list (specific for newsletter) |
| 06:08.17 | CyberMad | itrebal because i got problem with it.. |
| 06:08.37 | itrebal | CyberMad: I really remember quite little about it, but when I was using it, I remember liking it better than mailman |
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| 06:09.42 | dondelelcaro | Marupa: the whole thing would make it easier |
| 06:09.49 | CyberMad | itrebal i have some subscribers on mailing list, but i got problem that un-members of that mailing list can send e-mail to the mailing list and my webhosting told me that is ezmlm bug, then they suggest to change the mailing list |
| 06:10.07 | itrebal | well its not, its probably a config error |
| 06:11.43 | Marupa | dondelelcaro: all right, one momentt. |
| 06:11.48 | CyberMad | itrebal well i told them, but they still tell me that is ezmlm bug :( |
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| 06:12.05 | CyberMad | they can not find the problem |
| 06:12.23 | Marupa | http://marupa.net/errorlog.txt |
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| 06:13.00 | Azar | hi tsocks ... how is going? |
| 06:13.00 | jamesbrink | hey in ipchains incomming connections would go under input correct? |
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| 06:13.52 | dondelelcaro | Marupa: ok, /usr/sbin/hald is exiting with non-zero exit status for some reason |
| 06:14.03 | tsocks | Azar: hello ;-) |
| 06:14.13 | itrebal | I've got a question about doing an apt-get upgrade to Debian Etch from Sarge; I've got a couple of packages that I hand installed (that is, I downloaded frombackports): libpq4, postgresql-8.1, postgresql-client-8.1 postgresql-client-common postgresql-common ; and weechat weechat-common weechat-curses weechat-plugins ;; will those create a problem, seeing as I installed them from backports? |
| 06:14.14 | dondelelcaro | Marupa: I personally don't run hald, but you should be able to strace it or man hald; and turn on a debugging option |
| 06:14.32 | tsocks | Azar: how are you ? |
| 06:15.16 | Azar | I am good... how is your beloved Debian box? |
| 06:15.28 | tsocks | Azar: nice ;-) |
| 06:15.53 | Azar | itrebal: just read the recommendations to prepare for upgrade on release notes |
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| 06:16.03 | tsocks | Azar: what time is it in california ? |
| 06:16.08 | dondelelcaro | the time is now |
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| 06:16.27 | Azar | itrebal: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 06:17.01 | itrebal | Azar: as a side note, this is a colocated server on the other side of the united states; is it possible/likely to break? |
| 06:17.01 | itrebal | freakin' server |
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| 06:17.13 | Azar | tsocks: 23:15 |
| 06:17.13 | dondelelcaro | or just TZ="America/Los_Angeles" date; |
| 06:17.13 | tsocks | what the fuck ! |
| 06:17.34 | Azar | itrebal: if you follow the notes, and apply what is applicable for your configuration, the upgrade is really a breeze |
| 06:17.39 | tsocks | 23:15? afternoon? |
| 06:17.43 | itrebal | alright, thanks |
| 06:17.59 | Azar | dondelelcaro: it seems like anthony is malfunctioning for some time |
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| 06:18.10 | Azar | tsocks: military time that is evening |
| 06:18.21 | Azar | tsocks: 11 versus 23 |
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| 06:19.00 | tsocks | Azar: really, sorry ... yesterday i was talking with a friend about military time, and he freaks me out ... |
| 06:19.20 | Azar | tsocks: for me military time makes more sense than am and pm |
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| 06:19.46 | tsocks | Azar: yes, but in cuba just a few peoples gives the military time ... |
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| 06:20.05 | tsocks | now, it's 2:20 AM :-) |
| 06:20.06 | dondelelcaro | almost everyone in europe uses 24 hour time |
| 06:20.16 | Azar | same here, even though I would call the military standard more "time-literate" |
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| 06:20.36 | Azar | dondelelcaro: yeah, which is more logic, like the metric system too |
| 06:20.36 | dondelelcaro | it's just the US and a few other places that use 12 hour am/pm stuff |
| 06:21.05 | Azar | I never got the us measurement system "one foot" like what? the lenght of my foot? |
| 06:21.08 | tsocks | dondelelcaro: for example, in cuba ;) |
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| 06:21.16 | dondelelcaro | (and even here, most people who have been in the miltary, use unix, or work with people around the planet still use 24 hour time) |
| 06:21.19 | jamesbrink | lmfao Azar |
| 06:21.53 | dondelelcaro | Azar: well, at least a foot is exactly 30.48 cm |
| 06:22.08 | Azar | I was watching last night a math class for kids on tv, mannnn... they are screwing poor kids' brains |
| 06:22.15 | jamesbrink | fuck there is a nasty storm comming im gona loser either power or internet |
| 06:22.16 | jamesbrink | or both |
| 06:22.18 | dondelelcaro | Azar: so even if the units themselves are nonsensical, the bases are good |
| 06:22.32 | Azar | wow that s the "big foot" |
| 06:23.13 | jamesbrink | holy fuck |
| 06:23.14 | Azar | dondelelcaro: when someone her asks me "how much you weigh" ? I'm like ok... 84kilos for who wants to know |
| 06:23.18 | jamesbrink | im still online |
| 06:23.26 | jamesbrink | i think lighning hit my building |
| 06:23.27 | jamesbrink | brb |
| 06:23.56 | Azar | tsocks: you tried nethack? |
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| 06:24.18 | tsocks | Azar: nop, ;( |
| 06:24.34 | Azar | tsocks: so what games you got? |
| 06:24.37 | tsocks | Azar: i promess you that i will try it tomorrow, ok? ;-) |
| 06:24.55 | Azar | tsocks: gotta give you the rules/specs of the game |
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| 06:25.22 | tsocks | Azar: i don't play games ;( ... just "ksirtet" and "kmines" ... |
| 06:25.23 | Azar | tsocks: http://www.nethack.org/v343/Guidebook.html << bookmark it |
| 06:25.24 | chowmeined | how do i get racoon working? |
| 06:25.28 | tsocks | Azar: thx |
| 06:25.48 | Azar | awww tsocks, you gotta relax some times try aptitude install lbreakout2 |
| 06:26.09 | dondelelcaro | Azar: anthony? I'm lost |
| 06:26.20 | Azar | dondelelcaro: the server named anthony |
| 06:26.27 | SoulChild | any news on debian ? |
| 06:26.28 | dondelelcaro | oh. I've nothing to do with the operation of this network |
| 06:26.35 | dondelelcaro | SoulChild: about what? |
| 06:26.37 | tsocks | Azar: downloading... |
| 06:26.45 | Azar | dondelelcaro: 23:17 -!- Netsplit anthony.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net |
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| 06:26.57 | dondelelcaro | Azar: yeah; I'm not an IRCOP here |
| 06:27.06 | SoulChild | dondelelcaro: anything, i m just bored |
| 06:27.06 | tsocks | ja ! |
| 06:27.09 | dondelelcaro | Azar: try asking #freenode |
| 06:27.12 | Azar | dondelelcaro: oh I thought you were on it when you did the "wtf" one |
| 06:27.27 | dondelelcaro | Azar: oh... that's tsocks |
| 06:27.35 | Azar | :) oh ok |
| 06:27.36 | chowmeined | does anybody have any suggestions for getting racoon to work on sparc? |
| 06:27.44 | dondelelcaro | SoulChild: planet.debian.org ? |
| 06:27.47 | tsocks | XD |
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| 06:27.54 | Azar | chowmeined: I have no idea what is a racoon besides the animal |
| 06:27.57 | Azar | !racoon |
| 06:28.20 | chowmeined | the IKE daemon for ipsec |
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| 06:28.55 | itrebal | Azar: it gives a warning of not to use telnet rlogin or rsh to upgrade; does that include sshd? |
| 06:28.57 | Azar | chowmeined: I doubt many people use it |
| 06:29.12 | chowmeined | i use it all the time, just not on sparc |
| 06:29.24 | chowmeined | its great for setting up VPNs or secure networks.. anything that involves ipsec pretty much |
| 06:29.50 | chowmeined | theres a debian package for it, but whenever i run it, i get a 'bus error'.. whats a bus error? |
| 06:29.57 | tsocks | Azar: ohh thanks ;-) lbreakout2 is great... hehehe... i love playing "brick" in my ipod. .. |
| 06:30.02 | Azar | itrebal: telnet is known for security issues, you could say change the ssh port temporarily so to prevent intrusion while you upgrade, it takes a while... then move it back to its original port when done |
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| 06:30.23 | Azar | tsocks: I have few more games.. whenever you want |
| 06:30.25 | ezu5t | is there a way I can list all of the packages that I have (accidentally) installed from "sid", so I can remove them? |
| 06:30.28 | itrebal | Azar: "Important! You should not upgrade using telnet, rlogin, rsh, or from an X session managed by xdm, gdm or kdm etc on the machine you are upgrading. That is because each of those services may well be terminated during the upgrade, which can result in an inaccessible system that is only half-upgraded." |
| 06:30.35 | tsocks | Azar: tell me more ;-) |
| 06:30.43 | tsocks | Azar: i like this kind of games ;) |
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| 06:31.14 | Azar | itrebal: correct, exit X, and go command line as root, it will take some half your upt to 45 min |
| 06:31.15 | Gokee2_Laptop | Anyone care to recomend a good game for three players on a car trip (no internet)? I have a 1.4 centreno laptop gforce go fx5200 so I can do 3d stuff but am not opposed to good non-3d games. I just want to load up on a bunch of games before I go if you know what I mean :) |
| 06:31.27 | Azar | tsocks: ok... |
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| 06:31.56 | tsocks | Azar: and it haves 5.1 surround ... i think ... |
| 06:32.14 | itrebal | Azar: I've colocated this box and only have SSH access (or I could pay someone $1.50/minute to do the upgrade); is SSH not a safe method? |
| 06:32.32 | tsocks | Azar: because, when the ball goes to left, the sound is on the speaker left, and when is going to right, the sound moves from left to right speaker ... |
| 06:32.39 | tsocks | Azar: sorry about my english xd |
| 06:32.57 | dondelelcaro | Gokee2_Laptop: you can play games like wesnoth, nethack, some of the stuff from bsdgames, etc. |
| 06:33.18 | dondelelcaro | Gokee2_Laptop: also, you could just install anything with the games debtag, and just go through them |
| 06:33.32 | Azar | tsocks: neverball, neverputt, technoballz, trackballs, supertux, frozen-bubble |
| 06:33.42 | tsocks | Azar: thanksss |
| 06:33.46 | dondelelcaro | Gokee2_Laptop: things with use::gameplaying are basically what you want |
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| 06:33.54 | tsocks | Azar: i'll install it right now |
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| 06:33.58 | chowmeined | Gokee2_Laptop: rtcw:et, quake*, ut, darwinia, |
| 06:34.37 | tsocks | brown ! :) |
| 06:35.00 | itrebal | shouldn't some servop be making a statement as to the stability of the network :P? |
| 06:35.02 | Gokee2_Laptop | dondelelcaro, I found wesnoth a while ago its pretty cool. What the "::gameplaying" and how do I look though them? |
| 06:35.09 | Azar | itrebal: the entire upgrade does not have anything to do with ssh: is done by aptitude using your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:35.19 | Gokee2_Laptop | chowmeined, Ok ty :) |
| 06:35.48 | Azar | itrebal: there is a huge amount of packages that will be installed, so you better have a good connection that holds on like 30 min |
| 06:36.05 | itrebal | Azar: in regards to that error, though, is it likely that I'll be kicked off in the middle because of a kiling of the ssh daemon, therefore screwing up my upgrade? or should I pay the guy over there to do it for me? |
| 06:36.35 | dondelelcaro | Gokee2_Laptop: that's a Debtag; aptitude search ~Guse::gameplaying; |
| 06:36.54 | Azar | itrebal: the only concern is that you will sit on "root" for a long period of time and if your system is not firewalled, protected, it might be risky... |
| 06:36.57 | Gokee2_Laptop | chowmeined, Hmm is "darwinia" not in debian? (*goes to google*) |
| 06:37.06 | chowmeined | Gokee2_Laptop: its a game you purchase |
| 06:37.11 | itrebal | ok |
| 06:37.14 | Gokee2_Laptop | Ah... |
| 06:37.26 | metbsd | how do i install vmware tools in debian |
| 06:37.31 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: there are LOTS of cool games you can pick from scroll up see what I recommended to tsocks |
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| 06:38.34 | tsocks | Azar: neverball is hard ;-) |
| 06:38.42 | Gokee2_Laptop | Azar, Ok I looked at a few of them like frozen-bubble I will go install the rest :) |
| 06:38.50 | Gokee2_Laptop | neverball is evil... |
| 06:38.52 | Azar | tsocks: hehehe, good fitness for your fingers |
| 06:38.57 | tsocks | xDD |
| 06:39.13 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: supertux is like a linux version of Mario |
| 06:39.23 | Gokee2_Laptop | I can not seem to figure out which way tilts which |
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| 06:40.15 | Gokee2_Laptop | hmm I never really played Mario I guess I did at someones house(s) sometime |
| 06:40.33 | Azar | Penguin Command is a clone for an old game with "aliens invading earth" and you gotta defend the attacks, good too |
| 06:40.33 | Gokee2_Laptop | Sounds fun though... Mario is racing? |
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| 06:41.04 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: no is not racing |
| 06:41.48 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_World |
| 06:41.59 | Azar | but we got the linux version (clone) |
| 06:42.30 | tsocks | Azar: neverputt isn't in the etch repository .. |
| 06:42.30 | Gokee2_Laptop | For n64 first right? (**goes to wiki**) |
| 06:42.59 | Azar | tsocks: ahhh damn, it is on sarge... |
| 06:43.08 | tsocks | ok o ;-) |
| 06:43.11 | tsocks | Azar: no problem .. |
| 06:43.12 | Azar | tsocks: oh well, neverputt is a "golf" |
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| 06:43.19 | tsocks | Azar: do you use sarge ? |
| 06:43.24 | Azar | tsocks: yes |
| 06:43.51 | itrebal | Azar: is there any way to convince aptitude that I want tokeep libapache2-mod-python2.3? I've uninstalled it, installed it, etc, but I'm not sure how to install it with aptitude; anyway, it thinks its not used (and it is) |
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| 06:44.02 | Gokee2_Laptop | Super Nintendo`s 16 bit graphics..... |
| 06:44.24 | tsocks | Azar: who don't you use etch ? |
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| 06:44.56 | Azar | itrebal: anything you have installed in the past with "apt-get" , aptitude can't see or recognize. The main course is fish, chicken soup...err no is uninstall with apt-get, install back with aptitude |
| 06:45.10 | Azar | tsocks: I am on a diet |
| 06:45.41 | Azar | tsocks: everytime you upgrade even if you don't need to, or add more and more "cool stuff" your system gets "obese". |
| 06:45.57 | tsocks | Azar: hmmm .. |
| 06:46.01 | itrebal | thanks |
| 06:46.18 | tsocks | I use etch, and i'm thinking move to lenny or sid... |
| 06:46.36 | tsocks | but i know i'll have some problems ;-) but ... just fix it .. and learn a little more |
| 06:47.01 | Azar | tsocks: if your goal is to help the developer community, test, struggle with bugs, this is a good idea: if you have the time and patience... |
| 06:47.50 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: nethack is a console-based, text-only game where the decorations and characters are all ascii. |
| 06:47.52 | tsocks | Azar: maybe in the future, but now, i just want my applications up to date. |
| 06:48.07 | Gokee2_Laptop | hmmm |
| 06:48.08 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: http://www.nethack.org/v343/Guidebook.html |
| 06:48.13 | liable | so far being the words to pay attention to |
| 06:48.31 | Azar | good evening honorable liable |
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| 06:49.14 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: playing nethack is not only relaxing and fun, but trains your fingers in mastering the vim editor too |
| 06:49.32 | tsocks | Azar: xD |
| 06:49.34 | Gokee2_Laptop | its inside vim? |
| 06:49.49 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: no, nothing in common but the cursor keys |
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| 06:50.10 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: so for up/down/left/right nethack and vim use same keys |
| 06:50.14 | Gokee2_Laptop | Odd whats the command to start it? I installed nethack-qt |
| 06:50.16 | Azar | jkli |
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| 06:50.37 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: on a term type : nethack |
| 06:50.41 | tsocks | Azar: do you use h/j/k/l keys for up, down.... ? |
| 06:50.53 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: but you should have installed nethack-console |
| 06:51.06 | Azar | tsocks: in vim, sure |
| 06:51.13 | Azar | and x to delete one char at a time |
| 06:51.24 | Gokee2_Laptop | Ah ok |
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| 06:51.27 | Gokee2_Laptop | getting console now |
| 06:51.46 | tsocks | Azar: why not "delete","up", "down" keys ? |
| 06:51.47 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: it would be good if you read a bit the rules :) otherwise is frustrating |
| 06:52.07 | Gokee2_Laptop | ok |
| 06:52.09 | Azar | tsocks: if you play the vimtutor, there are lots of tricks there |
| 06:52.26 | tsocks | Azar: yep. |
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| 06:56.37 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:57.31 | tsocks | Azar: games were great... i will play tomorrow... |
| 06:57.31 | tsocks | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.34 | Gokee2_Laptop | Azar, Its rather entertaining without reading the rules too :) |
| 06:57.52 | Azar | hehe |
| 06:57.59 | chowmeined | tsocks: actually, once you learn the controls, it is very efficient |
| 06:58.03 | itrebal | Azar: hey, thanks a lot for the help; I'm going to call up the datacenter in the morning and see if they could get a tech on hand to give me a hand with the upgrade just in case, I appreciate the explanations/etc you've helped me with |
| 06:58.23 | Azar | itrebal: good luck |
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| 06:58.48 | tsocks | chowmeined: yes, i hope so ... |
| 06:58.59 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: you get lots of tips on how to use the curses, blessings, poisons...etc |
| 06:59.44 | Gokee2_Laptop | Azar, Hehe I don`t really know what I am doing but I killed a & |
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| 07:00.23 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: until you learn, keep your pet with you... he is defending you from enemies, eat only when hungry, don't exhaust your foods |
| 07:00.46 | Gokee2_Laptop | Foods? |
| 07:01.20 | Gokee2_Laptop | Where does it tell me me food level and how do i eat? |
| 07:01.23 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: yes you start with some food in your luggage, but also you find foods on your way.. |
| 07:01.30 | dondelelcaro | also, it's a good idea to only eat things that your pet eats |
| 07:01.42 | dondelelcaro | (unless you know it's food) |
| 07:01.52 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: it gonna tell you when you are "hungry", learn keys that helps you "eat" |
| 07:01.54 | cast | that is a good idea. |
| 07:02.10 | Azar | dondelelcaro: wow, thanks.. great tip |
| 07:02.13 | marcin_ | Hi, I've installed build-essential package. I want to do: apt-get remove build-essential - does it remove gcc and others? :> |
| 07:02.34 | chowmeined | is there a repo that has debug symbols for the debian packageS? |
| 07:02.44 | Gokee2_Laptop | Hmm' |
| 07:02.52 | cast | marcin_: if you use aptitude it might |
| 07:03.02 | Gokee2_Laptop | If my "pe" eats them they are then gone so how do i eat them? |
| 07:03.32 | Gokee2_Laptop | "pet"* |
| 07:03.46 | dondelelcaro | Gokee2_Laptop: in general , you can identify them or pick them up. [Though there are things you'll run into that you don't want to do that to.] |
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| 07:03.48 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: food: http://www.nethack.org/v343/Guidebook.html#_TOCentry_26 |
| 07:03.48 | Gokee2_Laptop | Also how do i pick stuff up? the ? did not tell me |
| 07:03.57 | marcin_ | cast: might? So it's sure.. |
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| 07:04.18 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: take time and read the rules: http://www.nethack.org/v343/Guidebook.html |
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| 07:04.55 | cast | marcin_: well, i use aptitude. and aptitude removes unused packages, if you've been mixing apt-get and aptitude however aptitude can't tell which are the really unused |
| 07:05.16 | Gokee2_Laptop | ok |
| 07:05.19 | marcin_ | cast: ok thanks :> |
| 07:05.21 | cast | marcin_: so on my computer, at least, removing build-essential removes all the pkgs it depends on that are not needed anymore |
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| 07:06.21 | Gokee2_Laptop | lol I love the interduction |
| 07:06.33 | Gokee2_Laptop | Introduction* |
| 07:07.14 | Azar | I love this game because is feeding your imagination...which is better than any 3D scenery designed by "others" |
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| 07:08.47 | Gokee2_Laptop | Azar, a & sign is 3d? |
| 07:09.38 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: hehe no, is a character, a monster, or an object... I was comparing 3D graphical games with this ascii one |
| 07:09.42 | bliss | I have a IP geberated byDHCP my ISP does not provide a static IP I have a domain name and I want to run postfix MTA what options do I have? |
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| 07:10.05 | wols | bliss: fyndns |
| 07:10.11 | wols | *dyndns |
| 07:10.37 | wols | bliss: and you also need s smarthost for sending, otherwise some receiving mailservres won't accept messages from you |
| 07:10.45 | bliss | wols: thanks for those two options |
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| 07:11.01 | wols | those are not options. 2nd one is pretty mandatory |
| 07:11.23 | wols | hw often does your IP change? |
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| 07:12.17 | Gokee2_Laptop | lol tourists.... |
| 07:12.17 | bliss | wols: every time i llog in but notsure how long it would last if my computer was on all the time |
| 07:13.01 | wols | then a normal domain probably wouldn't work |
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| 07:13.15 | liable | dialup? |
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| 07:13.41 | bliss | liable: no its cable |
| 07:13.43 | tralala | bliss, I suggest you use smarthost+fetchmail for internet mail delivery and a local mta for the lan only |
| 07:14.17 | Gokee2_Laptop | bliss, You could do a place like dyndns.org and if you have a gw like ipcop it can update your ip every time you dial out |
| 07:14.40 | liable | ddclient is made for such things |
| 07:15.11 | tralala | This is what I'm doing and it works fine. This way your computer doesn't need to stay online all the time and you don't need to care about mta security which is a big issue. |
| 07:15.31 | Joris_ | I'm looking for the name of the tool that builds packages out of (preconfigured) source-dirs |
| 07:15.33 | Azar | ...and ofcourse the willingness of your ISP to allow you to use port 25 for your personal mailserver |
| 07:15.45 | tralala | that too. |
| 07:16.06 | Azar | ...which most "famous, big" ISP will not :) |
| 07:16.10 | liable | change isp's if they don't |
| 07:16.36 | Azar | aol, att, verizon, charter, earthlink... will never allow |
| 07:16.57 | tralala | My ISP has enabled initially a promotional "security" feature (5€/month) which was blocking all incoming ports below 1024. I called them and kindly requested to take their promotion elsewhere. |
| 07:17.22 | bliss | liable: the thing is with cable its only £10 per month all in i need BT for most ISP which I do not have (i live in uk |
| 07:17.24 | Joris_ | bliss: keep in mind that a dynamic hostname still has a timewindows after each update that can blackhole your emails |
| 07:17.32 | liable | hah, paying for the privlege |
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| 07:17.48 | Joris_ | bliss: and some antispam tools blacklist known dynamic ip pools |
| 07:18.18 | JeremyK | tralala: haha, they CHARGED you for that? my ISP used to do that and you had to pay to shut it off |
| 07:18.42 | Azar | tralala: the hirony for me is that, 4 years ago when I switched to Debian, my "then" ISP would not free port 25 for me, "no personal servers allowed", moved to a GREAT ISP, with 4 dedicated lines, free use of anything, but I can't learn postfix :) |
| 07:18.59 | bliss | liable: are you in auuie? |
| 07:19.02 | liable | mail is hard |
| 07:19.04 | liable | bliss: ya |
| 07:19.27 | liable | i presume you meant .au ;) |
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| 07:20.08 | bliss | liable: we spoke before you went on hoildat to the liqiud gold cost you were drinking beer and eating pizza |
| 07:20.43 | tralala | JeremyK, no, they activated it for free for a few months as a promotion. I would have to pay if I had decided to keep it after that. |
| 07:20.51 | liable | bliss: that must have been some time ago. i am still drinking beer and eating pizza though |
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| 07:21.55 | bliss | so whats the bottom line on this dhcp set up cahnge ISP or pay someone for another service |
| 07:22.15 | liable | smart host sounds like the way to go |
| 07:22.38 | liable | or get a soho/business account and run your own server |
| 07:22.42 | bliss | liable: i will take a lok |
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| 07:23.34 | tralala | Azar, I use exim4 |
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| 07:24.18 | Azar | tralala: for now I don't use any mail |
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| 07:25.13 | Azar | bliss: you call and ask your ISP. If they say "no way", just pay a bit more and get a more generous ISP |
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| 07:25.31 | HD | what FS can be resized without danger ? (on gparted, for example) |
| 07:25.34 | Gokee2_Laptop | yeeps this game is a lot of work to play |
| 07:25.58 | tralala | Azar, yesterday somebody was asking smarthost questions and I finally decided to setup gmail as smarthost. I don't use my ISP's mail services and a local mta to serve as a gateway to gmail is convinient. |
| 07:26.03 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: yep, but once you get the hang of the navigation/utility keys... is fun |
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| 07:26.50 | Azar | tralala: I tried gmail for two days.... I did not liked what I saw, it did not feel right, so I will never try it again |
| 07:26.56 | bliss | lAzar: install bt line £125 quaterly cost for line rental £30 thats before ISP charges |
| 07:27.39 | Azar | bliss: I am not familiar with the power of pound, or the rules in uk... just ask your friends around.. |
| 07:27.44 | tralala | Azar, gmail is probably the only free service that gives you secure pop3 and smtp access |
| 07:27.54 | Azar | bliss: I pay $70.00/month for freedom |
| 07:28.08 | tralala | so you never need to use the web interface |
| 07:28.12 | HD | is posible to resize ext3 without danger ? |
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| 07:28.14 | bliss | liable: :whats a soho/business account |
| 07:28.22 | cast | HD: sure |
| 07:28.23 | nanonyme | Azar: what do you get with the 70 bucks? |
| 07:28.28 | HD | cast: and JFS ? |
| 07:28.32 | Azar | tralala: I am looking more at privacy/security/antispam protection, and gmail did not satisfy my taste |
| 07:28.39 | cast | HD: growing is pretty standard, shrinking might be tricky - and impossible online |
| 07:29.10 | HD | cast: in general, linux FS from a linux system can be resized without danger then ? |
| 07:29.23 | Azar | nanonyme: a small soho business type of account, with 4 dedicated IPs, freedom to have my own server (any type), hosting, mailboxes..etc |
| 07:29.34 | Gokee2_Laptop | grr it... crashed? |
| 07:29.40 | Gokee2_Laptop | Or I hit something bad |
| 07:29.41 | liable | bliss: its a .au marketing ploy. basically just means you dont get ports filtered, have a static ip, and they'll change the rdns for you |
| 07:29.45 | Azar | nanonyme: and I have 4 years with them and I never experienced a down/brown |
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| 07:30.03 | Gokee2_Laptop | I was trying to press shift+1 to pick up a blue potion |
| 07:30.09 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: sometimes yes, it crashes... |
| 07:30.10 | nanonyme | Azar: not bad, really. is domain price separate from that? |
| 07:30.20 | Gokee2_Laptop | Now it says the game is going on but won`t let me resume it |
| 07:30.27 | tralala | I pay 15USD/mo for a hosted virtual server - cheaper and easier to support than a DIY home server. |
| 07:30.29 | bliss | liable: so this is a ISP in au |
| 07:30.31 | Gokee2_Laptop | It wants me to delete it |
| 07:30.40 | cast | HD: wikipedia has a summary of all the filesystems iirc |
| 07:30.56 | cast | HD: each individual entry will certainly tell you the capabilities |
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| 07:31.01 | liable | bliss: i would imagine its similar elswhere. |
| 07:31.06 | Azar | nanonyme: explore http://www.covad.com/ |
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| 07:31.24 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: quit, and start over |
| 07:31.47 | Azar | Ctrl+C, quit and start a new game |
| 07:32.00 | Gokee2_Laptop | Aww then I need to er... I guess I did not really do anything good but kill a monster |
| 07:32.16 | nanonyme | Azar: how about a link to the thing you're using? (or is it a tailored one?) |
| 07:32.22 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: sometimes it crashes... maybe wrong keybinding |
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| 07:35.16 | Azar | nanonyme: http://www.covad.com/services/dsl/dsl_telesoho.html >> the $59.95 ( + $10.00 for extra 3 IPs) TeleSoho 1.5 |
| 07:35.27 | nanonyme | heh |
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| 07:36.17 | nanonyme | the upload isn't very big for hosting |
| 07:37.22 | Azar | nanonyme: since I do not run any business, I consider myself lucky to get 4 IPs plus all extras at this price... as you can see, you shell more $$ you get more broadband |
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| 07:37.56 | Azar | my own domain, 15 mailboxes and stuff |
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| 07:38.29 | tsocks | what 56k modem you recommend to use with Debian?... |
| 07:38.43 | cast | serial port |
| 07:38.44 | Azar | tsocks: anyone that is NOT winmodem :) |
| 07:38.51 | liable | any real one |
| 07:39.04 | cast | [afaik there is no serial port winmodems :] |
| 07:39.23 | Azar | cast: yes well is worth spelled by name :) |
| 07:39.27 | tsocks | Azar: but ... i have an USB modem and it doesn't work .. |
| 07:39.32 | liable | i had a serial modem that needed windows drivers to work |
| 07:39.36 | JeremyK | just go to ebay, search for 'hardware modem' and call it good. |
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| 07:40.01 | cast | liable: damn :\ |
| 07:40.16 | Azar | tsocks: no problem, find the specs, the hardware name, google for its driver... check to see if your kernel carries that driver |
| 07:40.42 | tsocks | Azar: hmmm ... ok ;-) |
| 07:40.52 | Azar | tsocks: your usb might already work, your modem driver might not be "present" |
| 07:41.01 | tsocks | Azar: really? .. hmmm |
| 07:41.03 | liable | cast: i was very pissed, my laptop one wasnt working, and my work computer had a serial modem, no worries i thought, just borrow that one for a while.. bastard didnt work |
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| 07:41.34 | Gokee2_Laptop | Azar, Ever had a game with no way out of the first room? |
| 07:41.41 | jnsears | anyone here have any ideas on how to debug a seg fault i'm getting with ffmpeg while trying to create a video from a jpg sequence? |
| 07:41.57 | tsocks | i've heard that serial modems works fine (ex. Multitech)... |
| 07:42.12 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: there IS a way out in a "hidden" room, you gotta bang all walls to find new ways, and new rooms that are "in the dark" . One of these rooms has a "stair" to another dungeon |
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| 07:42.53 | Gokee2_Laptop | Azar, How do you "bang"? |
| 07:42.56 | nanonyme | hehe |
| 07:42.57 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: there are > up stairs and < downstairs, some of them will return you on the "previous visited dungeon" |
| 07:43.15 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: like you bang the doors: Ctrl-D |
| 07:43.22 | seanp2k | hey, i'm looking for a simple GUI designer for a graphical frontend for running bash scripts |
| 07:43.26 | nanonyme | Azar: seems our ISP offers 9M/9M business connections... |
| 07:43.45 | nanonyme | wonder how much it costs |
| 07:43.47 | Azar | nanonyme: they have all kind of "deals" you could also call with questions |
| 07:43.55 | nanonyme | yeah |
| 07:44.01 | seanp2k | i just need some tabs and some textboxes and a shell screen below them |
| 07:44.04 | nanonyme | business contracts work that way |
| 07:44.12 | Azar | nanonyme: just write down all you want, and tell them your needs, they will give you a price |
| 07:44.16 | nanonyme | "I'd need this and that and that. Make me an offer." |
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| 07:44.43 | nanonyme | every ISP that sells company connections does that |
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| 07:45.04 | Azar | nanonyme: those guys are supplying earthlink :) hehehe |
| 07:45.25 | nanonyme | ;P |
| 07:45.39 | Azar | I only went to them while I was still on earthlink only because my IP was saying their name.. |
| 07:45.44 | Gokee2_Laptop | Azar, Hmm I have kicked a bunch up places but now am about to die from kicking... |
| 07:45.53 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: eat |
| 07:46.46 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: hmmm I forgot maybe Ctrl-S is "knocking" the walls to find hidden doors |
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| 07:47.10 | Gokee2_Laptop | "You don`t have anything to eat.. :( |
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| 07:47.26 | Gokee2_Laptop | Thats a unknown command |
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| 07:47.34 | dimir | fewd! |
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| 07:47.48 | JeremyK | Gokee2_Laptop: what game are you guys talking about? |
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| 07:48.02 | Gokee2_Laptop | JeremyK, Nethack |
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| 07:48.27 | tsocks | Gokee2_Laptop: did you like nethack ? |
| 07:48.42 | HD | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:48.43 | JeremyK | ahh |
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| 07:49.24 | Gokee2_Laptop | tsocks, O yes!..... Once you get past the fact its a text based game that resembles trying to remember all the commands in linux just to move around its pretty good...... |
| 07:49.58 | tsocks | Gokee2_Laptop: nice ! |
| 07:50.25 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: practice the most basic keys from this chapter, navigation, kicking, ..etc not necessarily "all" keys for now: http://www.nethack.org/v343/Guidebook.html#_TOCentry_1 |
| 07:51.17 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: I wrote down myself the most basic ones... and later on, I learned more keys |
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| 07:51.51 | Gokee2_Laptop | Azar, There are so many! |
| 07:52.03 | Gokee2_Laptop | I found s though |
| 07:52.09 | Gokee2_Laptop | but it has not helped |
| 07:52.39 | Azar | Gokee2_Laptop: just get on a paper the movements, open doors, kick/force doors, unlock doors, eat, drink. Then later learn how to use weapons... pick money, weapons, food.. |
| 07:53.02 | Azar | how to "wear" shields... and so on... take it easy little by little |
| 07:53.03 | Gokee2_Laptop | I found the door! |
| 07:53.04 | Gokee2_Laptop | ok |
| 07:53.39 | Gokee2_Laptop | I have not played games much for a long time |
| 07:53.40 | Azar | tsocks: is a game that gets your imagination going, and in the same time gets you more confident with command line, keybindings..etc... |
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| 07:53.55 | tsocks | Azar: nice |
| 07:54.06 | tsocks | Azar: i'll play tomorrow ;) |
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| 07:54.21 | BotaniCar | i wont play nethack ever again :) |
| 07:54.25 | Gokee2_Laptop | "you die" |
| 07:54.27 | Gokee2_Laptop | :( |
| 07:54.28 | tsocks | does anybody have a toshiba laptop with modem working ??? |
| 07:54.30 | BotaniCar | tempts one to try and do it IRL :) |
| 07:54.36 | BotaniCar | and then you go to jail :) |
| 07:54.39 | xand | squeeeeeeeeee! |
| 07:54.43 | liable | !laptop |
| 07:54.43 | dpkg | [laptop] All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 07:54.45 | tralala | tsocks, /msg dpkg laptops |
| 07:54.47 | liable | tsocks: ^^ |
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| 07:54.53 | tralala | !lose me |
| 07:54.53 | dpkg | tralala: You Lose. |
| 07:55.06 | Gokee2_Laptop | 369 moves |
| 07:55.19 | tsocks | liable: do you use your laptop's modem ? |
| 07:55.24 | Azar | BotaniCar: I do play it sometimes again and again... it gets the stress accumulated at work out of me |
| 07:55.25 | liable | yes |
| 07:55.36 | Azar | ... maybe I should kiss girls more often... |
| 07:55.51 | liable | tsocks: one has a free driver, the other i had to get the linuxant driver |
| 07:55.58 | tralala | that would require you to have a life... |
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| 07:56.11 | liable | Azar: your mom doesnt count! |
| 07:56.12 | Azar | yeah, well life is expensive |
| 07:56.15 | Azar | :) |
| 07:56.22 | Azar | haha liable |
| 07:56.34 | tralala | and tough |
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| 07:56.55 | tsocks | liable: hmmmm... 'cause I want to install debian in a toshiba laptop, but i have to use the modem ... and i want to know your experience... |
| 07:56.56 | liable | fascinating really |
| 07:57.15 | liable | tsocks: if it has a driver, its easy |
| 07:57.22 | liable | if not, your screwed |
| 07:57.32 | tsocks | liable: what's the name of the free driver ? |
| 07:57.33 | tralala | and who needs a life when there's irc anyway |
| 07:57.33 | xand | !your |
| 07:57.33 | dpkg | your is probably the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 07:57.38 | liable | visit those sites that dpkg mentioned |
| 07:58.06 | liable | i like to irritate the grammar nazis |
| 07:58.17 | tsocks | liable: ... yep, but ... in your laptop, what's the name of the free driver? (not linuxant driver) |
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| 07:58.55 | Azar | well I find NETHACK a great learning tool: 1. makes you read: if you do not read , you don't know how to play = you lose. 2. stimulates imagination , defends against parkinsons, depression, dementia. 3. gets you more confident on using a command line rather than click on graphics blindly |
| 07:59.00 | liable | tsocks: its the alsa modem driver for the i810 chip. what mine is doesnt matter though.. |
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| 07:59.14 | Gokee2_Laptop | What do I do about a locked box? |
| 07:59.28 | tsocks | liable: ok ;) |
| 07:59.39 | BotaniCar | Azar: how does it defend against parkinson's ? |
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| 07:59.49 | chowmeined | BotaniCar: nanobots |
| 07:59.53 | Azar | tsocks: in what I read around for the past 3 years, toshiba's hardware are not very linux-friendly |
| 08:00.09 | tsocks | Azar: ;( |
| 08:00.10 | Azar | BotaniCar: maintains the brain's fittness |
| 08:00.38 | Azar | tsocks: on the other hand, HP has proven be a very linux-friendly with hardware and even support |
| 08:01.05 | Azar | tsocks: so trade that thoshiba for an HP if you get the chance |
| 08:01.05 | tsocks | Azar: yep ;) but ... the only one I have is "toshiba" :(( |
| 08:01.08 | BotaniCar | Azar: i disagree, just put you in a behavior pattern , and you keep to it, same as any other game, not much use from medical point of view :) |
| 08:01.21 | tsocks | Azar: maybe, i'll try to do this |
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| 08:01.51 | Azar | BotaniCar: it has been demonstrated that old people who play games are less likely to come down with a neurological illness |
| 08:02.16 | Azar | tsocks: try first to install Debian... see how hardware and drivers will go, if no good...then exchange it with an HP |
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| 08:02.58 | tsocks | Azar: yep, that's what i'll do ;-) |
| 08:03.07 | Azar | BotaniCar: looking at my gramps... they keep playing computer games, and feel younger and happier |
| 08:03.14 | bliss | can.t worlout what www.no-ip.com does |
| 08:03.15 | tralala | or a thinkpad if you manage to find one manifactured by ibm |
| 08:03.36 | tralala | or an ubuntu dell |
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| 08:04.05 | franzcai | i input "man 2 read", but return no manual entry in section 2,there is the delcaration of read function in <utmp.h>.why? |
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| 08:04.35 | liable | bliss: its a free dynamic dns service like dyndns |
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| 08:04.53 | nanonyme | heh |
| 08:04.58 | liable | bliss: ie, it lets you have a domain name with a dynamic ip |
| 08:05.04 | bliss | liable: thanks |
| 08:05.16 | jelly-home | hm, is shell expansion of user supplied filenames a security bug? |
| 08:05.23 | nanonyme | there's quite a few of those dynamic dns services already. i guess you can now just choose the one that gives the best-looking hostnames |
| 08:05.33 | BotaniCar | Azar: on how many ppl and for how long has it been tested, and where can i read the publication ? |
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| 08:06.07 | bliss | liable: not static then well i wil look around |
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| 08:06.47 | liable | bliss: what do you mean? |
| 08:06.53 | tsocks | is any debian translater here ? |
| 08:07.08 | bliss | liable: not sure just got out of bed |
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| 08:08.13 | tralala | bliss, dynamic dns services are giving you "static" domains, e.g. joro.homelinux.org to be used with dynamically changing IPs |
| 08:08.52 | Gokee2_Laptop | I went up a staircase and my "pet" went away |
| 08:08.54 | tralala | everytime you try to resolve the domain name you'll get the current dynamic IP of the host |
| 08:08.58 | bliss | tralala;can i shh into them |
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| 08:09.11 | liable | yes |
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| 08:09.22 | tralala | bliss, yes, that's the reason I've registered one myself |
| 08:09.25 | tsocks | Azar: http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/internet/0,39044908,62028670,00.htm |
| 08:09.54 | tralala | my home pc has only one public service - ssh |
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| 08:10.29 | bliss | bliss; can i have a rverse dns to point to a IP numser and a domain name |
| 08:10.40 | bliss | number |
| 08:10.55 | liable | not rdns |
| 08:11.09 | moffa | debian etch, amd duron 1.4 Ghz, 1 GB memory, start openoffice suite, when I click on a menu item at top of window (file, edit, etc.), OO.org immediately freezes and I have to drop to a console to kill OO.org otherwise I can't do anything in my X session anymore, its all frozen up. Tried replacing OO.o, no luck. Any ideas? |
| 08:11.21 | nanonyme | bliss: only if you own a subnet |
| 08:11.53 | tralala | bliss, rdns queries go to your ISP so it's up to them to resolve them |
| 08:12.20 | nanonyme | tralala: well, if they rent a whole subnet, you could always set your own reverse dns server for it |
| 08:12.37 | tralala | nanonyme, this is not the case in question |
| 08:12.43 | nanonyme | meh |
| 08:12.51 | nanonyme | then it's very unlikely to get reverses done |
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| 08:13.45 | Crypticfortune | ok, the examples from the boost.org docs on regex _should_ compile, right? is this debian's fault? why? http://rafb.net/p/ZQevpk30.html |
| 08:13.47 | tralala | it depends on one's ISP's good will so I'd agree |
| 08:13.52 | Crypticfortune | /joint #boost |
| 08:13.53 | Gokee2_Laptop | Well I guess I am getting better 7 points then 28 points and now 448 points in a game |
| 08:14.06 | Gokee2_Laptop | O well bed time now night all |
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| 08:14.54 | nanonyme | tralala: i've only heard of one commercial ISP during my life which did that |
| 08:15.12 | nanonyme | our student union used to do it too before we went to dhcp |
| 08:15.19 | tralala | Crypticfortune, perhaps you need -I |
| 08:15.54 | Crypticfortune | tralala: hmm? it's a compile error, not a link error |
| 08:16.14 | dondelelcaro | Crypticfortune: it'd be best to only ask questions in one Debian, but which version of Boost are you using? |
| 08:16.20 | tralala | and -I is a compiler directive, not a linker one |
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| 08:16.27 | nanonyme | bliss: the best chances of getting reverse dns is if you live in europe and get an ipv6 tunnel from sixxs. but it would only work for ipv6 connections |
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| 08:16.49 | liable | getting your isp to give you rdns for a dynamic ip?? |
| 08:16.58 | Crypticfortune | tralala: ahh sorry, bad font. but i dont think so. boost is in /usr/include/boost. |
| 08:17.00 | tralala | nanonyme, does one pay for ipv6 tunnel? |
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| 08:17.39 | Crypticfortune | dondelelcaro: sorry, ill keep that in mind. and 1.34.0-1+b1 |
| 08:18.50 | gonzaloaf | hi, I have upgraded all pkgs and now I cannot hear gnome system sounds, but when I play them inside the preferences menu they play well, what could be happening? |
| 08:19.32 | tralala | gonzaloaf, you could be enjoying a bug |
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| 08:20.02 | tsocks | gonzaloaf: what sound driver do you use? ... alsa? oss ? |
| 08:20.06 | dimir | !nickometer _`shpchp`_ |
| 08:20.08 | dpkg | '_`shpchp`_' is 88.000% lame, dimir |
| 08:20.12 | dimir | \o/ |
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| 08:20.47 | _`shpchp`_ | ... |
| 08:20.49 | tsocks | !nickometer tsocks |
| 08:20.50 | dpkg | 'tsocks' is 0.000% lame, tsocks |
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| 08:20.58 | tsocks | thanks, dpkg ;-) |
| 08:21.01 | tsocks | jajajaja |
| 08:21.01 | gonzaloaf | tsocks, alsa, I just hear the welcome and goodbye sounds |
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| 08:21.33 | tsocks | gonzaloaf: and ... can you listen music in xmms, for example ? |
| 08:21.44 | gonzaloaf | what is exactly the meaning of a "lame nick" ? |
| 08:21.53 | gonzaloaf | tsocks, yes |
| 08:22.11 | bliss | nanoyme:sixxs? |
| 08:22.33 | SupertTimmy | hell all. I have a slight problem, I have a debian box which had the 2.4 kernel on, I tried to upgrade it to 2.6 and now it just boots into the grub prompt. Anything I can do to save it? |
| 08:22.34 | dondelelcaro | Crypticfortune: that example is for boost 1.0; it hasn't been altered since 2004, so it's rather likely that it won't work. |
| 08:22.47 | funky | !nickometer funky |
| 08:22.49 | dpkg | 'funky' is 0.000% lame, funky |
| 08:22.51 | funky | :D |
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| 08:23.10 | tsocks | gonzaloaf: you should ask in #gnome ... but, if you can hear all sounds except gnome system sounds (and you can play it inside the preferences), it seems to be a problem of gnome ... ;( |
| 08:23.29 | tsocks | !nickometer dpkg |
| 08:23.31 | dpkg | 'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, tsocks |
| 08:23.46 | gonzaloaf | !nickometer gonzaloaf |
| 08:23.48 | dpkg | 'gonzaloaf' is 0.000% lame, gonzaloaf |
| 08:24.06 | gonzaloaf | I dont get it |
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| 08:24.50 | intelisky | can anyone tell me in what order these three need to load ? ipmasq-kmod ipmasq dnsmasq ? |
| 08:24.54 | tsocks | dimir: "lame nick" is from "lamer", no ? |
| 08:24.55 | dondelelcaro | Crypticfortune: http://www.boost.org/libs/regex/doc/regex_match.html actually has a reasonable example. |
| 08:25.04 | dimir | http://wiki.linux-irc.net/wiki/AUP#Nicks |
| 08:25.18 | dondelelcaro | tsocks: nope; lame is the root. |
| 08:25.25 | Azar | SupertTimmy: I do not understand your question |
| 08:25.34 | jelly-home | lame is a disability! |
| 08:25.37 | tsocks | dondelelcaro: hmm i don't understand |
| 08:25.51 | Azar | SupertTimmy: you mean you do not have a running X-server? |
| 08:26.03 | dondelelcaro | tsocks: dict lame; will help you out. |
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| 08:26.33 | intelisky | ? |
| 08:26.37 | tsocks | dondelelcaro: thanks ;-) ... but i don't really speak english xD |
| 08:26.56 | Crypticfortune | dondelelcaro: hmmm, i don't see where it mentions it's version 1.0 (the license is version 1.0, but so is my curernt boost 1.34). but that page is indeed old... |
| 08:27.02 | streuner | !es |
| 08:27.02 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 08:27.46 | SupertTimmy | Azar: i have nothing, it doesnt boot the kernel at all just goes straight to a grub prompt |
| 08:27.47 | Azar | tsocks: lame is like "ridiculo" "payaso" |
| 08:27.52 | Crypticfortune | dondelelcaro: anyway, thx for helping. |
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| 08:28.04 | tsocks | streuner: i'm on #debian-es ... but i speak a little of english, and i want to practice my english ;-) |
| 08:28.15 | intelisky | no body ? |
| 08:28.15 | Azar | SupertTimmy: I do not have grub, I thought you go into a command line |
| 08:28.22 | tsocks | Azar: ohhh ya. thanks ;-))) |
| 08:28.34 | streuner | tsocks: oh, ok. |
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| 08:29.11 | Azar | SupertTimmy: if you were using lilo I could help, grub is just a mistery |
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| 08:29.45 | gonzaloaf | tsocks, lame significa que un nick es inutil, es decir no tiene efectividad mmmm como te explico |
| 08:29.47 | tsocks | streuner: no problem ;-) english is really important for books, docs... |
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| 08:30.02 | SupertTimmy | Azar: damn grub |
| 08:30.18 | intelisky | SupertTimmy i know a little about grub what was the question ? |
| 08:30.24 | Azar | SupertTimmy: hahaha (sorry honorables) but grub is said that "just works" |
| 08:30.31 | tsocks | gonzaloaf: si, con corchetes y cosas asi, no ? ejemplo: [^mi_nick_mola^--] |
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| 08:31.10 | Azar | gonzaloaf: the level of ridiculesness |
| 08:31.39 | tsocks | Azar: jajaja |
| 08:31.46 | tsocks | gonzaloaf: where're you from ? |
| 08:31.54 | gonzaloaf | tsocks, claro, no es un nick del todo legal porque tiene caracteres que son dificiles de escribir, reemplazar letras por numeros tambien es algo ilegal... es decir un nick lame es un nick imperfecto o invalido |
| 08:31.57 | tsocks | shpchp: great ! :) |
| 08:32.03 | gonzaloaf | tsocks, Peru |
| 08:32.19 | Azar | muchachos, espanol on pv.. |
| 08:32.20 | shpchp | ok |
| 08:32.23 | streuner | tsocks: #debian is a help-channel about Debian, for private talks just /j #debian-offtopic |
| 08:32.26 | tsocks | gonzaloaf: si, ya veo... ya estuve leyendo el link en wiki.linux-irc.net ;-) |
| 08:32.31 | tsocks | ok, Azar |
| 08:32.32 | tsocks | sorry ;( |
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| 08:32.50 | gonzaloaf | ok guys we're sorry |
| 08:32.54 | streuner | they speak all languages as well, but prefer english |
| 08:33.12 | tsocks | ok ok ;-))) no problem ! |
| 08:33.22 | Azar | gonzaloaf, tsocks it's ok but we keep here the english... so is not gonna become a circus |
| 08:33.37 | gonzaloaf | Azar, ok |
| 08:33.41 | tsocks | Azar: yep, i understand it ;-) don't worry... |
| 08:33.59 | intelisky | can anyone see this ? |
| 08:34.07 | streuner | NO :-) |
| 08:34.09 | intelisky | good |
| 08:34.10 | tsocks | intelisky: what? |
| 08:34.11 | intelisky | :) |
| 08:34.11 | Azar | ok who's next I get hooked on nethack... come on young men... |
| 08:34.18 | tsocks | jajajaja |
| 08:34.37 | intelisky | was no answer, like i was banned but no message saying so |
| 08:34.39 | BotaniCar | Azar: i still didnt get a answer :) |
| 08:34.46 | Azar | intelisky: I saw yours but no experience with networking.... sorry |
| 08:34.49 | streuner | intelisky: prolly root |
| 08:35.03 | Azar | BotaniCar: uh, I did |
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| 08:35.04 | streuner | intelisky: did you join as 'root'? |
| 08:35.12 | intelisky | streuner ? no. |
| 08:35.15 | BotaniCar | Azar: whare is the medical publication you readed about gamers and brain preservation ? |
| 08:35.16 | streuner | ok |
| 08:35.23 | intelisky | why would i do that ? |
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| 08:35.42 | streuner | !repeat |
| 08:35.42 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:35.46 | Azar | BotaniCar: I read news everyday.... I saw specifications on some articles some months ago.... |
| 08:35.57 | Azar | BotaniCar: but I can google for your pleasure |
| 08:36.25 | tsocks | intelisky: what's your problem with debian ? |
| 08:36.37 | intelisky | can anyone tell me in what order these three need to load ? ipmasq-kmod ipmasq dnsmasq ? |
| 08:36.48 | streuner | intelisky: for what for? |
| 08:36.49 | Azar | BotaniCar: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/gaming/2006-08-02-puzzles-brain_x.htm |
| 08:37.03 | intelisky | trying to get network sharing |
| 08:37.05 | streuner | intelisky: for ipmasq itselfs? |
| 08:37.10 | intelisky | yeah |
| 08:37.13 | BotaniCar | Azar: not for my pleasure, for backing up your publicly shared (and IMO wrong ) opinion :) |
| 08:37.21 | streuner | well, use an official kernel and install ipmasq, done. |
| 08:37.42 | intelisky | it's installed but i need to setup the boot time scripts |
| 08:37.48 | Azar | BotaniCar: http://politech.wordpress.com/2006/06/11/more-video-game-brain-health-benifits-2/ |
| 08:37.54 | wols | intelisky: why? |
| 08:37.58 | wols | debian does this on its won |
| 08:38.02 | tsocks | !nickometer ||arifaX |
| 08:38.03 | dpkg | '||arifaX' is 46.000% lame, tsocks |
| 08:38.05 | intelisky | so it will start at boot time |
| 08:38.06 | streuner | intelisky: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 08:38.17 | intelisky | nothing |
| 08:38.24 | streuner | nothing? :-) |
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| 08:38.32 | intelisky | yeah nothing |
| 08:38.36 | streuner | uhm |
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| 08:38.42 | wols | intelisky: uname -a |
| 08:38.55 | intelisky | linux 2.4 |
| 08:38.59 | BotaniCar | Azar:where is nethack mentioned in there ? and who are their references ? |
| 08:39.04 | wols | that's not what it says |
| 08:39.05 | streuner | intelisky: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:39.09 | Azar | BotaniCar: no |
| 08:39.30 | liable | i wonder if living on sandwiches is a good idea |
| 08:39.31 | intelisky | wols Linux zeos486 2.4.27-2-k6 #1 Wed Dec 21 11:27:37 UTC 2005 i586 GNU/Linux |
| 08:39.31 | Azar | BotaniCar: nethack is not mentioned there |
| 08:39.40 | intelisky | linux 2.4 |
| 08:39.59 | BotaniCar | Azar: as are not a valid medical research facilities as reference |
| 08:40.00 | wols | intelisky: and what does the line streuner asked you about tell yoU? |
| 08:40.09 | BotaniCar | Azar: meaning link you gave is not so valid |
| 08:40.16 | Azar | BotaniCar: no, I lied |
| 08:40.22 | Azar | BotaniCar: satisfied? |
| 08:40.38 | intelisky | wols if you don't know that's enough 20 questions. |
| 08:40.39 | Azar | :) hahahahaha |
| 08:40.49 | wols | intelisky: have fun getting your answers then |
| 08:40.51 | tsocks | http://www.tripleuvedoble.net/sinsaberalgonuevo/?p=54 |
| 08:41.02 | intelisky | yeah aint it |
| 08:41.08 | Azar | BotaniCar: too bad you did not run it through a spellchecker too.... you might have found more "irregularities" |
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| 08:41.10 | BotaniCar | Azar:don't get me wrong, i am not atacking you as you have a right for your opinion. What i am attacking is a habbit of basing personal opinions based on non valid sources |
| 08:41.27 | wols | intelisky: cause we strongly suspec you are not running debian. and we certainly don't know what version of debian you run |
| 08:42.01 | streuner | intelisky: try #linux or such then |
| 08:42.03 | Azar | BotaniCar: based on "gaming" in general from various articles, based on what I see on my gramps (yes the old man plays nethack - too) and based on my own experience |
| 08:42.24 | intelisky | wols makes no differance the start order for those scripts should be universal and i'll trial and error it there are only three possabilities anyway |
| 08:42.35 | intelisky | thank you. |
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| 08:42.49 | wols | liable: can you buy me new fingers and new brains too? especially the brains would be very helpful. kthxbyelol |
| 08:42.54 | Raging_Hog | is there a package to change gtk font size? I went and installed kde and it minimized my gtk fonts and now my head hurts |
| 08:43.11 | nanonyme | i could do with a spare body, don't need the another set of brains really |
| 08:43.20 | nanonyme | i could leave the spare body to work and go out |
| 08:43.21 | tsocks | Raging_Hog: wait a minute... |
| 08:43.21 | streuner | another 10 minutes wasting time |
| 08:43.29 | liable | wols: i'll do you a deal. how's your liver look? |
| 08:43.44 | wols | fine. my kidneys are wsted tho |
| 08:43.48 | wols | *wasted |
| 08:43.54 | liable | though* |
| 08:43.55 | Azar | nanonyme: wouldn't be nice if we could run, jump, and lift with just our brain-power? |
| 08:44.12 | tsocks | Raging_Hog: try with "gtk-qt-engine" package, but i don't remember if this is the package... |
| 08:44.25 | wols | well, I dunno what toxins the kindeys made the liver pile them up tbh, but I never drink alcohol and don't have hepatitis. so fom that angle I'm all clear :) |
| 08:44.27 | nanonyme | Azar: naw, that's not the issue. i'm on a clock card system and need to be present |
| 08:44.29 | Raging_Hog | thanks tsocks |
| 08:44.46 | tsocks | Raging_Hog: install it, and see in "kcontrol" (control center) in KDE... and tell me please |
| 08:44.58 | BotaniCar | Azar: by default online articles will be pro gaming orientated, that is logical , and ppl that write them mostly are not referential persons but they write anyway. second thing is that 3 ppl (you and your grand's) are not a representative sample ,real research is done on "n" that is higher than 1000 and for a period of 20 years at least. there is a posibility that your grand's good health has something to do with genes more than with gaming |
| 08:45.08 | Azar | nanonyme: aw I know what you mean.... I am like that too when I work... however I take the chance and indulge my two months of disability at home.. |
| 08:45.11 | streuner | hm |
| 08:45.15 | BotaniCar | Azar: anyway, ill EOD this , for both of us's sake :) |
| 08:45.28 | nanonyme | Azar: well, at least i can apparently irc at work |
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| 08:45.49 | tsocks | Raging_Hog: and gtk2-engines-gtk-qt too... i don't remember what is, but just tell me if, after installed it, you can see a menu in kcontrol called "GTK Styles and Fonts" |
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| 08:46.12 | Raging_Hog | tsocks, I see the menu and am experimenting |
| 08:46.15 | Azar | BotaniCar: since the begining of humanity, no person has agreed with another... so I deeply understand you |
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| 08:46.21 | tsocks | Raging_Hog: ok |
| 08:47.02 | Azar | abrotman never agrees with me.. |
| 08:47.16 | Raging_Hog | thank you tsocks. I'll write these down somewhere |
| 08:47.22 | BotaniCar | Azar: did you just break that pattern with agreeing with me to EOD ? :) |
| 08:47.29 | tsocks | Raging_Hog: does it works ? |
| 08:47.38 | BotaniCar | Azar: beware , world might come to a end becaouse of that :) |
| 08:47.57 | Raging_Hog | tsocks, yes it works now |
| 08:48.01 | tsocks | Raging_Hog: what i do is, set QT theme to GTK applications ;-) |
| 08:48.28 | tsocks | Raging_Hog: and then, i don't feel like i have two operative systems in my computer ;-) ... all's the same |
| 08:48.29 | Azar | BotaniCar: I allways agree to disagree... and disagree to agree.. is just a good way of learning from others, accepting self err... or just keeping my own opinions while not defending them out loud |
| 08:48.47 | Raging_Hog | tsocks, I didn't get the kde to work. I just needed it to send files with bluetooth with kbtobexclient |
| 08:49.16 | streuner | o_O bluetooth... |
| 08:49.19 | tsocks | Raging_Hog: kde doesn't work ? |
| 08:49.19 | Raging_Hog | it gives me just the background when I log in so I login to fluxbox |
| 08:49.25 | Azar | streuner: you got one? |
| 08:49.44 | liable | i suggest seeing a dentist |
| 08:49.55 | streuner | Azar: no, i heard about, somebody told me about it and his "handy" |
| 08:49.59 | tsocks | Raging_Hog: oh !.. yes, i understand you ... ok ok |
| 08:50.41 | streuner | hehe |
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| 08:51.23 | liable | interesting analogy |
| 08:51.28 | Azar | streuner: I don't use a cell (nobody calls me), so all those new iphone, cellphone, bluetooth... are like herpeses for me |
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| 08:53.24 | liable | aww |
| 08:53.50 | streuner | Azar: some people told me "Debian is hard to configure", they told me BS and they had reasons to say this |
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| 08:55.29 | streuner | !gentoosmite liable |
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| 08:55.34 | streuner | see? :-) |
| 08:55.49 | MangosDebian | !debiansmite streuner |
| 08:55.56 | cast | streuner: did linus say this to you? |
| 08:55.57 | MangosDebian | bah |
| 08:56.21 | streuner | MangosDebian: /msg dpkg listkeys smite |
| 08:56.30 | streuner | cast: heh, no :-) |
| 08:57.09 | b9anders | when I try to remove aps like totem or evolution in aptitude it wants to remove gnome-desktop-environment as well - is it just the meta-package that gets removed or can I expect all things GNOME to be wiped from the system? And if the former, is there any harm in that? |
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| 08:59.30 | tralala | b9anders, gnome-desktop-environment is a blank package that is used for installing gnome stuff |
| 09:00.20 | tralala | if you want to keep your gnome installation, use interactive aptitude and do - (or _) to totem then : to gnome-desktop-environment |
| 09:00.36 | tralala | alternatively you can mark gnome-desktop-environment as manually installed |
| 09:00.56 | tralala | this way it won't be automatically uninstalled by other packages |
| 09:01.06 | b9anders | cheers |
| 09:01.54 | liable | i dont run at all, less talking about me running at all |
| 09:01.55 | Azar | hahaha |
| 09:02.03 | liable | fast |
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| 09:04.58 | nvz | laptops should have rotate display in the video driver.. so if I am laying comfortable but the laptop is not level I can rotate it.. heh |
| 09:05.39 | liable | get out of bed you lazy bugger! |
| 09:05.55 | nvz | its 5am and I've been up since yesturday morning |
| 09:06.17 | liable | you dont sleep much do ya? |
| 09:06.35 | nvz | nope |
| 09:06.49 | tralala | I want rotate in radeon! My display rotates 90° but without software support it is no good :( |
| 09:06.50 | liable | i can do 10-12 a day everyday |
| 09:07.11 | nvz | fighting with my phone company makes me sleep less cause I have to do more footwork all day when I don't have a phone |
| 09:07.23 | tralala | liable, my wife can easily beat you ;) |
| 09:07.28 | nvz | I'm about to go get a phone from another company cause I don't plan on paying sprint |
| 09:08.10 | liable | tralala: oh, i can do more, not everyday though |
| 09:08.10 | nvz | sprint is more crooked than a bag of parenthesis |
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| 09:08.54 | b9anders | the mark as manually installed didn't work out - I am not familiar with the other commands you mentioned tralala - how does that work? |
| 09:09.07 | tralala | I don't think I can do 10hrs for more than a day. I wake up automatically at ~8hrs |
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| 09:09.31 | tralala | b9anders, how did you mark it? |
| 09:10.49 | b9anders | I used: aptitude unmarkauto gnome-desktop-environment |
| 09:11.05 | nvz | b9anders: removing gnome-desktop-environment doesn't matter its a metapackage |
| 09:11.11 | tralala | and what does: "aptitude search gnome-desktop-environment" show now? |
| 09:11.33 | nvz | b9anders: the only reason it even exists or is installed on your system is to pull in other packages |
| 09:11.56 | tralala | nvz, are you sure aptitude won't remove the other packages as unused? |
| 09:12.14 | nvz | I'm thinking the system should be redesigned to not even install metapackages but just satisfy their dependencies |
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| 09:12.44 | tralala | they are useful for upgrades |
| 09:12.49 | b9anders | tralala it shows: |
| 09:12.49 | b9anders | - i gnome-desktop-environment - The GNOME Desktop Environment |
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| 09:13.08 | bdheeman | hi, friends! |
| 09:13.25 | b9anders | aptitude definitely wants to uninstall the entire gnome desktop environment though. not just the meta-package |
| 09:13.43 | tralala | b9anders, paste the output of aptitude remove <whatever you remove> to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 09:13.56 | nvz | aptitude is a PITA I still don't use it unless I've seriously screwed something up |
| 09:14.09 | tralala | aptitude rocks! |
| 09:14.10 | aptitude | yes I do |
| 09:14.12 | nvz | it does too much db access compared to apt-get |
| 09:14.18 | tralala | aptitude, yes, you do |
| 09:14.18 | aptitude | yes, I do |
| 09:14.28 | nvz | when I am just doing simple operations I just use apt |
| 09:14.47 | b9anders | lol |
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| 09:15.09 | bdheeman | i' trying to user cdbs class/makefile and rules/debhelper only, now how do i skip dh_strip altogether? |
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| 09:15.14 | tralala | I've stoped using apt-get back in sarge |
| 09:15.36 | b9anders | here it is: http://rafb.net/p/LSy1gu55.html |
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| 09:15.56 | nvz | I don't plan on ever stopping use of apt-get |
| 09:16.02 | nvz | its quick and works well |
| 09:16.08 | stew | bdheeman: DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=debug,nostrip |
| 09:16.21 | nvz | the whole db reads apt does when fetching a package aptitude seems to do two fold |
| 09:16.30 | bdheeman | stew: thanks |
| 09:16.33 | nvz | takes longer to install that way |
| 09:16.38 | bdheeman | let me try it |
| 09:16.55 | b9anders | scratch that. I accidentally used apt-get just there- |
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| 09:17.50 | tralala | I don't care - I have a fast pc |
| 09:18.08 | tralala | PII@366 |
| 09:18.17 | nvz | hah |
| 09:18.20 | tsocks | tralala: jajaja |
| 09:18.41 | nvz | I have an AthlonXP 1700+ as my primary desktop... and I think thats slow |
| 09:18.49 | b9anders | here is the output (some of it is in danish, btw - hope you can decode it, if not I can translate): |
| 09:18.49 | b9anders | http://rafb.net/p/VUeSds99.html |
| 09:19.00 | tralala | anyhow I use aptitude rarely so even if I have to wait for a minute on the laptop (PII) I don't really care |
| 09:19.19 | cafuego | nvz: don't fool yourself; it is. |
| 09:19.32 | b9anders | basically, AFINSTALLERET is uninstalled and 'afhængigheder' is 'dependencies' |
| 09:19.33 | nvz | cafuego: heh, I know I use the thing every day |
| 09:19.43 | tralala | b9anders, you can have the output in any language if you put LANG=<language> in front of the command |
| 09:19.49 | tralala | but for now it doesn't matter |
| 09:19.56 | nvz | omfg its a Penix! |
| 09:20.16 | Penix | nvz: wenas! |
| 09:20.30 | cafuego | SlayerXP: intel, weenie. |
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| 09:20.32 | tralala | b9anders, oh it actually does - do LANG=C aptitude remove evolution totem |
| 09:20.35 | nvz | I'm not sure wtf CPU is in this laptop.. Pentium Duo Core of some kind |
| 09:20.40 | Penix | I'm eyeing an X2 for next year. I *like* being stuck in 2003 |
| 09:20.44 | litage | Penix: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 09:21.00 | cafuego | Penix: They're nice & cheap these days. |
| 09:21.01 | b9anders | cool, didn't know that. that's pretty useful |
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| 09:21.10 | nvz | not sure how to even check on here |
| 09:21.17 | SlayerXP | cafuego: alas AMD have lost the plot. |
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| 09:21.24 | cafuego | nvz: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 09:21.24 | b9anders | so here is the output in english: http://rafb.net/p/Md6gtm16.html |
| 09:21.40 | Penix | cafuego: yeah. I was thinking 939 for the price factor, but AM2's supposed lower power consumption is tempting |
| 09:21.44 | tralala | My desktop actually is amd64 3000+ and even there aptitude is not a lightning but I don't really care |
| 09:21.44 | nvz | cafuego: I'm ssh into my desktop from it.. this is running Vista Home Premium |
| 09:21.47 | tsocks | i'm going to sleep.... 5:22am !!! |
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| 09:22.02 | cafuego | Penix: You're not going to be able to get s939 stuff next year <geg> |
| 09:22.05 | tsocks | Azar: see you ! |
| 09:22.12 | litage | nvz: why're you running vista?? |
| 09:22.13 | cafuego | nvz: Ah, wcpuid. |
| 09:22.17 | Penix | cafuego: heh. yeah. that was this year's plan until I decided against it |
| 09:22.35 | Azar | tsocks: good night buddy |
| 09:22.40 | nvz | Genuine Intel T2080 1.73 ghz the system controlpanel says |
| 09:22.44 | tsocks | Azar: good night ;) |
| 09:22.50 | Penix | I need to ditch this dual P3 500 server that's running 24/7 |
| 09:22.52 | tralala | b9anders, why does aptitude think gnome-desktop-environment is broken? |
| 09:22.53 | nvz | litage: I just bought two laptops, came with vista on them |
| 09:22.57 | cafuego | SlayerXP: Nah, it was either a c2d plus 1GB ram or this 5600+ and 4Gb ram. |
| 09:23.02 | litage | nvz: i feel for you |
| 09:23.05 | tralala | b9anders, paste the output of aptitude -f install to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 09:23.09 | b9anders | beats me |
| 09:23.15 | tralala | in english, pls |
| 09:23.23 | nvz | litage: I don't mind it actually.. XP, ME, 2k drive me nuts.. this hasn't pissed me off yet |
| 09:23.28 | b9anders | q |
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| 09:23.41 | siimo | i'd take the c2d and save some and get more ram later ^^ |
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| 09:23.53 | cafuego | nvz: #Debian is asking for confirmation. "Allow/Deny" |
| 09:23.58 | tsocks | going back... |
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| 09:24.04 | litage | nvz: not until microsoft starts indexing your HD and showing you targeted ads based on your files' content... |
| 09:24.05 | nvz | cafuego: heh |
| 09:24.28 | siimo | litage: i thought that was google |
| 09:24.29 | cafuego | siimo: That doesn't work so well if you want to run a lot of VMs straight away |
| 09:24.31 | b9anders | here it is: http://rafb.net/p/He4DuB72.html |
| 09:24.36 | nvz | litage: not my problem.. these aren't my laptops |
| 09:24.45 | Penix | like that windows update ad that always pops up? thatz teh sux0r |
| 09:24.59 | peter_ | Penix, you turn it off :) |
| 09:25.04 | cafuego | Anyway. Last day for you lot to subkit your poroposal. http://linux.conf.au/ |
| 09:25.04 | Penix | peter_: I sure do :) |
| 09:25.13 | b9anders | my guess would be that it is broken by removing totem and evolution |
| 09:25.13 | peter_ | Penix, in options :) |
| 09:25.16 | nvz | Penix: yeah my dad was bitchin about that.. it popped up like 4 times in the few hours he used the other one today |
| 09:25.38 | tralala | b9anders, LANG uses langauge codes, for example en_US for american english |
| 09:25.48 | nvz | he'd turn it off, but I told him to leave it on.. last thing we need is these machines being way out of date and even more insecure |
| 09:25.57 | Penix | first thing I do with an NT box is open the Services tool and disable that crap |
| 09:26.14 | b9anders | right. Think I have en_GB. I'll use that next time |
| 09:26.16 | Penix | non-internet gaming box that is |
| 09:26.41 | tralala | b9anders, actually gnome-desktop-environment depends on evolution, that's why aptitude wants to uninstall it |
| 09:27.14 | b9anders | it does the same if I just try to remove totem |
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| 09:27.18 | nvz | We bought these two Presario C500's as minimal-use machines for the borough so like I say, anything about vista isn't really my problem |
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| 09:28.22 | nvz | we've got a new borough building in the works.. should be completed in about 2 months or so.. we're just getting the computers ready |
| 09:28.38 | tralala | b9anders, for exactly the same reason. You'll need to mark all the packages that gnome-desktop-environment depends upon as manually installed to keep then |
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| 09:29.04 | Penix | nvz: cool. using any fancy ltsp stuff or anything? or just normal systems? |
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| 09:29.13 | b9anders | urgh.... me thinks I'll just keep them in the system then. I imagine it might cause trouble later on as well when gnome gets upgraded |
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| 09:29.21 | nvz | these laptops will be mostly for use in various meetings, presentations, and web design they aren't going to be used much, just cheap machines people can use to do borough related stuff |
| 09:30.13 | nvz | I've setup a donated machine (Athlon 800 slot A) in the old building as a webserver for now.. so right now we need some laptops for people to work on the websites for the borough, firedept, police dept, and garden club |
| 09:30.13 | b9anders | thanks a lot for the help, btw. I learned some useful tips which is often the best part for me. |
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| 09:31.10 | tralala | b9anders, btw you can apply a single aptitude-fu to do the job |
| 09:31.14 | nvz | I need to figure out what kind of server to purchase for the new building.. cause we got two servers now and they are old as shit.. the one I just setup for the websever and one the secretary uses as a tape-backup system |
| 09:31.46 | nvz | I've never really purchaced real sever hardware before I don't know wtf I even really want besides maybe something with SATA RAID and Hotswap drives |
| 09:31.57 | b9anders | I'd do that if I expect that when gnome gets updated it's not gonna crash into dependency hell.... (?) |
| 09:32.07 | Penix | nvz: if you can afford it, SCSI would be nice |
| 09:32.25 | MangosDebian | nvz: you ever get your timeout issue solved? |
| 09:32.44 | nvz | Penix: afford? heh I'm not paying for it.. and we got like a million dollars left on the budget for this year.. when usually we'd have like 400,000 around this time of year |
| 09:33.16 | tralala | b9anders, marking stuff as manually installed won't mess up any deps |
| 09:33.19 | nvz | MangosDebian: na I called linksys they werent too helpful I didn't investigate it much further cause I got wrapped up in shopping for new hardware |
| 09:33.50 | nvz | MangosDebian: I took down the model and firmware version thinking the logical next step was to find new firmware and do a google search |
| 09:34.06 | MangosDebian | nvz: ya, listen to penix, 320 scsi :) |
| 09:34.07 | b9anders | I was more thinking whether upon upgrade, the missing meta-package might cause trouble |
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| 09:34.13 | Penix | nvz: my advice: blow it all on a ridculously over priced Sun Niagra server and run off with it to Venenzuala |
| 09:34.23 | Penix | MangosDebian: even better, SAS :) |
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| 09:34.34 | nvz | MangosDebian: yeah well thats only one small part of the server.. I have no idea what to get at this point as far as the whole system |
| 09:34.39 | Penix | depending how you look at it of course ;) |
| 09:34.41 | MangosDebian | Penix: *drool* getting a tad carried away, but definetly an option :) |
| 09:34.42 | nvz | We |
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| 09:35.51 | Penix | nvz: probably best to outline your current and future needs. find something capable of handling your current load and is expandable when you need more memory, disks etc. |
| 09:35.52 | nvz | We'll need it to run a few websites for like I say the borough, fire dept, police dept, and the garden club so far are the ones we got requesting hosting.. and as well as a local file server for inside the building and who knows what else we may want to do with it |
| 09:35.55 | Penix | as obvious as that sounds |
| 09:36.21 | Penix | nvz: I can't imagine those being insanely high traffic sites |
| 09:36.27 | MangosDebian | nvz: this some new town or something? |
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| 09:36.38 | nvz | The secretary needs to backup her books for payroll and shit.. right now she got a dedicated box with a tape drive that does that |
| 09:36.40 | tralala | b9anders, it can't. aptitude unmarkauto ~Rgnome-desktop-environment is what you want. But it's probably simpler to just keep evolution and totem |
| 09:36.43 | Penix | nvz: if they're purely informational |
| 09:37.26 | Penix | nvz: couldn't hurt to duplicate that in some sort of central location |
| 09:37.26 | nvz | MangosDebian: na, the town is like about 100 years old.. but our borough building is falling apart and should legally be condemed but we are still operating out of it cause the insurance company is still covering it. |
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| 09:37.55 | MangosDebian | nvz: not a very big town? |
| 09:37.58 | nvz | MangosDebian: we're a humble little 1.2sq mile industrial town along the ohio river about 15miles north of Pittsburgh, PA |
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| 09:38.41 | nvz | MangosDebian: the vol fire dept bough a new engine, and now has like 4 engines I believe our building we have now only able to house two of them |
| 09:39.33 | nvz | MangosDebian: the new building will have a large community room, will be a complete emergency center with generators and all.. have two kitchens which we don't have now.. the building will make us eligable for more govt money |
| 09:40.48 | xand | a 100 year old town sounds pretty new to me ;) |
| 09:41.01 | nvz | the current website which isn't hosted off my server yet.. my dad maintains is leetsdaleboro.net he keeps it updated with plenty of information and pictures.. you can see a lot about the town including plans and up-to-the-day photos of the new building construction and the overpass we're finally building that has been in the works since the early 90s |
| 09:41.02 | b9anders | tralala - I've gone ahead and removed them now. worked pretty seamlessly. Thanks. I am on a mission to trim this system of all superfluous packages at the moment (meaning to make a personal install cd), so what can go without upsetting the system will go. thanks a lot for the help. |
| 09:42.20 | Penix | nvz: heh. sounds a lot like my small town and its plan of a complete highway bypass that's been 20 years in the making and still hasn't even started |
| 09:42.26 | nvz | our railroad crossing which is the primary access (and the only access for large vehicles as oliver bridge cant handle much weight) is very dangerous and we'd had many accidents and deaths there which is why we've been trying for like 11 years to get the overpass |
| 09:42.37 | Penix | with its bottleneck of a bridge |
| 09:42.46 | nvz | I forgot to say access to the industrial park |
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| 09:43.03 | master_of_master | hi! I've upgraded to etch, but now postfix does not seem to accept mail on port 10025 from amavis-new. ( serv postfix/smtp[24679]: 2D3408458A: to=<root@serv....>, orig_to=<root>, r elay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=3148, delays=2171/673/243/61, dsn=4.4 .1, status=deferred (host 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] said: 450 4.4.1 Can't connect to 127.0.0.1 port 10025, (Bad file descriptor) at (eval 42) line 145, <GEN 24> line 3368 |
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| 09:43.16 | master_of_master | soory for the long line |
| 09:43.35 | nvz | basically our town is divided by RT 65 and the 3/4 railroad tracks and between there and the river on the west side of that is the industrial park, and on the east side is the residential |
| 09:44.00 | nvz | MangosDebian: quite alright |
| 09:44.06 | nvz | master_of_master: quite alright |
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| 09:44.19 | Penix | nvz: so are you from the bad side of the tracks? |
| 09:44.22 | nvz | master_of_master: better than flooding a bunch of lines ;) |
| 09:44.40 | Penix | in the ghetto? |
| 09:44.55 | Azar | master_of_master: one minor cause which you can check right away might be your ISP. Do they allow you to use your own mailserver on port 25 ? |
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| 09:45.03 | master_of_master | nvz: sorry, I whanted to paste the pastebin url |
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| 09:45.19 | tralala | b9anders, you're welcome |
| 09:45.35 | master_of_master | Azar: the setup worket wery well befor I've upgraded |
| 09:45.40 | Tenkawa | Anyone seen a workaround/fix for sybase breaking in recent unstable? |
| 09:45.44 | master_of_master | s/w/v |
| 09:45.45 | nvz | Penix: haha. the houses around leetsdale industrial park are more ghetto than the ones up here |
| 09:46.05 | GreaseMonkey | gnight everyone |
| 09:46.31 | nvz | Penix: we get so many trains through here, its got to suck living right along the tracks.. but if you live here you don't even notice the trains going by |
| 09:46.39 | Azar | master_of_master: ok one problem checked, next one: did you read the release notes and PREPARED for the upgrade in advance? Also the release notes TELL you what is gonna be changed, replaced therefore configuration nixed |
| 09:47.45 | nvz | #debian is waking up, we could talk more about our towns in #debian-offtopic without disturbing anyone.. I could use some ideas on the server issue too |
| 09:48.05 | nvz | I never really ran modern hardware much less server hardware on debian either so.. |
| 09:48.11 | master_of_master | Azar: I did not have the chance to prepare the upgrade |
| 09:48.17 | Azar | nvz: right: honorables there is only one more day until Saturday/Sunday :D |
| 09:48.19 | liable | unlike you to worry about being OT in here |
| 09:48.41 | Azar | master_of_master: ok it is not too late to take a look on release notes and see "what" was changed, and how |
| 09:48.51 | nvz | yeah well stew will be telling me to STFU if I keep rambling :P |
| 09:49.01 | nvz | at least my server talk was mildly on-topic |
| 09:49.06 | Azar | master_of_master: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 09:49.19 | nvz | since I will be running debian on it.. but my questions right now aren't really debian-related |
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| 09:49.34 | Azar | liable: stew and abrotman are sleeping :) |
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| 09:49.45 | nvz | stew was just active moments ago |
| 09:49.49 | liable | Azar: i dont care :) |
| 09:49.53 | nvz | and is abrotman an op now? |
| 09:50.03 | liable | no, thank the gods |
| 09:50.12 | Azar | nvz: no but abrotman throws "wtf"s |
| 09:50.27 | Tenkawa | bummer.. noone knows a fix for my quandary |
| 09:50.32 | nvz | not to me.. he just calls me a yinzer |
| 09:50.38 | Tenkawa | at least noone awake |
| 09:51.28 | nvz | I mean everyone knows about yinzers cause I like to share my knowledge of the area and other regions I've been to.. but abrotman I think talks about it a lot because he is from the oppisite end of PA |
| 09:51.29 | Azar | Tenkawa: we don't talk much "unstable" here... it is assumed only experienced Debian users, who participate on bug hunt use unstable and they will never complain in here |
| 09:51.59 | nvz | He's from the Philly area, I'm from the Pitt area |
| 09:52.01 | Azar | Tenkawa: unstable is not for enjoying, but for hard working |
| 09:52.04 | bdheeman | stew: even with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=debug,nostrip, dh_strip is called |
| 09:52.10 | Tenkawa | Azar: yeah... figured I'd ask.. from what I can tell its broke in stable now too |
| 09:52.11 | liable | bah, i whine like a jet engine when sid breaks on me! :P |
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| 09:52.42 | Tenkawa | looks like a libstdc++ change it doesnt like |
| 09:52.44 | Azar | Tenkawa: is sybase package officially offered on Debian Stable repository? |
| 09:52.48 | Tenkawa | no |
| 09:53.03 | Tenkawa | its ASE tgz from Sybase corp itself |
| 09:53.07 | Azar | Tenkawa: then, yes, it will break as being an "unstable" package |
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| 09:53.48 | Tenkawa | Figured I'd ask before gdb'ing the thing too much |
| 09:54.11 | Azar | Tenkawa: the reason the package is in Sid in the first place, is because it is not ready for "prime time" and is being worked on. You are just one of many who are "testing" it.. |
| 09:54.52 | Tenkawa | Azar: there "is" no package... stable/unstable/otherwise |
| 09:55.10 | Tenkawa | I'm just running it on current-unstable |
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| 09:55.25 | lac | what package do I need to install to get kmixer |
| 09:55.31 | Tenkawa | it runs fine on older libs like redhat/suse 9 |
| 09:55.38 | Azar | Tenkawa: :) then if it is not under Debian wing... it will not work with debian, you could try compile / fix it on your own.... Debian will not get involved |
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| 09:56.20 | Tenkawa | yeah.. anyway different topic... any of you use WoW broadband in the Ohio area? |
| 09:56.38 | Tenkawa | moving in 9 days and gotta choose between it and insight-rr |
| 09:56.57 | Azar | Tenkawa: maybe it is not on Debian repositories for 1. being a proprietary software, 2. Debian might already have a package that replaces that software |
| 09:58.16 | Azar | RedHat and SuSe and others might not shy away (shameless :) ) from using proprietary software. |
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| 09:59.03 | themill | lac: it's kmix not kmixer |
| 09:59.13 | themill | !tell lac about search |
| 09:59.21 | HackSign | i want change the place of my /usr catalog |
| 10:00.12 | Azar | HackSign: sorry... well just very late in the night here.. |
| 10:00.20 | liable | wthww__: what are we going to do tonight? |
| 10:00.25 | HackSign | ...... |
| 10:00.44 | Orion_X11 | I get access to the net via radio antenna, using a wireless card rt8180. Now my server provider is changing the access method and we have to use pppoe over wlan0. In windows it is very easy to set up, but I do not now ho to set up it because I installed pppoeconf and it seems that I have to use a modem. But, they say that I do not need a modem because I use a wireless card. And in windows they set up it without a modem. So, how can I solve this? |
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| 10:01.31 | liable | Orion_X11: got a link to their explanation of this? |
| 10:01.41 | tralala | HackSign, to change the place? What do you mean? |
| 10:02.07 | liable | i presume he means new partition? |
| 10:02.37 | HackSign | tralala:a i know i must edit my /etc/fstab file |
| 10:03.05 | HackSign | the /usr is on /dev/hda3 |
| 10:03.16 | q-tip | Need to run an old binary against old glibc anybody have a procedure ? |
| 10:03.41 | Orion_X11 | liable: They say that only give support to windows. They do not give support for linux. So, I have to solve it on my own :-( |
| 10:03.45 | Tenkawa | q-tip: I'm kinda facing a similar issue myself with Sybase |
| 10:04.03 | tralala | HackSign, well, copy it to another partition, change the fstab and you're done |
| 10:04.03 | liable | Orion_X11: have you got a web page explaining this? |
| 10:04.05 | HackSign | tralala:now i want chage the place of this catalog to /dev/hda6 |
| 10:04.16 | HackSign | tralala:that's all? |
| 10:04.21 | tralala | ues |
| 10:04.22 | Orion_X11 | liable: I don't |
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| 10:04.30 | q-tip | Tenkawa: Well I managed to download the old source and compile and wrote a script to wrap it up but it still doesnt work maybe doing something wrong |
| 10:04.32 | HackSign | tralala:edit the file like this ? |
| 10:04.41 | liable | Orion_X11: your isp doesnt have a web site? |
| 10:04.55 | Tenkawa | q-tip: does ldd on the binary point to the right one? |
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| 10:05.05 | tralala | HackSign, _after_ you have copied the contents |
| 10:05.10 | Orion_X11 | liable: Yes. |
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| 10:05.30 | q-tip | Tenkawa: no it points to the new version /usr/lib (I think) |
| 10:05.34 | HackSign | tralala:/dev/hda3/usr /dev/hda6 ext3 0 1 |
| 10:06.04 | HackSign | of course i will cp the file to the hda6 :) |
| 10:06.30 | q-tip | Tenkawa: #! /bin/bash |
| 10:06.31 | q-tip | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/vni/lib/ |
| 10:06.31 | q-tip | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 10:06.34 | tralala | HackSign, on a second thought you shouldn't attempt this on your own |
| 10:06.36 | Orion_X11 | liable: I will see if they explain it at least for windows users. I doubt it because normally they go to people's house to do it > www.mikrocenter.com.br |
| 10:06.40 | Tenkawa | q-tip: you could preload it |
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| 10:06.51 | Tenkawa | q-tip: i think its LD_PRELOAD |
| 10:07.03 | q-tip | Tenkawa: Preload how do I do that ? |
| 10:07.07 | q-tip | ok |
| 10:07.27 | q-tip | Tenkawa: so LD_PRELOAD then the older compiled version yes ? |
| 10:07.35 | Tenkawa | so export LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/alteredlib.so |
| 10:07.40 | Tenkawa | yeah |
| 10:07.45 | HackSign | tralala:but the free space of my hrdisk isnt enough |
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| 10:07.53 | q-tip | Tenkawa: Thanks mate ill try that |
| 10:07.54 | Narada | hi is there a way to find what package a file belongs to; some apt command or package i install |
| 10:08.00 | Tenkawa | now that will affect anything run in that shell afterwards though so be careful |
| 10:08.04 | HackSign | i must chage it to free the space ~~ |
| 10:08.06 | Tenkawa | Narada: apt-file |
| 10:08.29 | Narada | Tenkawa: what package is that in :P |
| 10:08.54 | Narada | oh same name right |
| 10:09.18 | Tenkawa | yep |
| 10:09.18 | q-tip | Tenkawa: Nope ./lmgrd.exec: relocation error: ./lmgrd.exec: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 10:09.59 | Tenkawa | q-tip: well crap... just a sec |
| 10:10.42 | Narada | Tenkawa: cool thanks |
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| 10:11.14 | Tenkawa | q-tip: so you exported LD_PRELOAD to the path of that libc.so first then ran the binary eh? |
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| 10:11.49 | tarzeau | does anyone use scp/sftp from a mac os x computer to a debian box and gets problems? |
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| 10:12.18 | Tenkawa | tarzeau: what kind of probs? |
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| 10:12.28 | Tenkawa | tarzeau: I use them daily from tiger to debian |
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| 10:12.35 | EndQuoter | hi everybody! |
| 10:12.54 | Ben_Cs | hello |
| 10:12.57 | tarzeau | Tenkawa: Received message too long 172060271 |
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| 10:13.09 | q-tip | Tenkawa: Yes |
| 10:13.11 | tarzeau | Tenkawa: cyberduck ftp/sftp says Connection refused |
| 10:13.23 | Ben_Cs | is there a system information app for linux (like SIW,AIDA32)? |
| 10:13.29 | tarzeau | Tenkawa: several users reported this now, and i can reproduce it |
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| 10:13.41 | tarzeau | Ben_Cs: dunno how siw/aida32 are, got any screenshots? |
| 10:13.42 | Tenkawa | tarzeau: what about regular sftp/scp? |
| 10:13.48 | tarzeau | Ben_Cs: ibackup has a nice tool called sysconf |
| 10:13.54 | tarzeau | Tenkawa: the first error msg |
| 10:14.06 | Tenkawa | wtf... works fine here |
| 10:14.13 | tarzeau | Tenkawa: os x has 4.5p1 of openssh, etch has 4.3pwhatever |
| 10:14.23 | Ben_Cs | tarzew: i mean a program that gives me all the info about my hardware |
| 10:14.26 | tralala | HackSign, mkdir /tmp/newusr; mount /dev/hda6 /tmp/newusr; tar -C /usr -c . | tar -C /tmp/newusr -x; sed -i 's/hda3/hda6' /etc/fstab; reboot |
| 10:14.39 | tralala | now warranties given |
| 10:14.40 | tarzeau | Ben_Cs: yes apt-get install ibackup; sysconf > yourhardware.html |
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| 10:14.49 | tralala | *no |
| 10:14.50 | Ben_Cs | thanks |
| 10:14.53 | tarzeau | Ben_Cs: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ibackup/alpha.html |
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| 10:15.14 | Tenkawa | arrakis:~ orac$ ssh -V |
| 10:15.15 | Tenkawa | OpenSSH_4.5p1, OpenSSL 0.9.7l 28 Sep 2006 |
| 10:15.16 | tarzeau | Ben_Cs: the url above is an example report, the script is genious, you can very easily extend it with whatever information you want |
| 10:15.25 | tralala | eh, sed needs one more / |
| 10:15.27 | Tenkawa | OpenSSH_4.6p1 Debian-4, OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007 |
| 10:15.37 | tarzeau | Tenkawa: but your debian is not etch? |
| 10:15.40 | Tenkawa | theres where I'm going from and to |
| 10:15.46 | Ben_Cs | tarzeau: great! thanks |
| 10:15.52 | tarzeau | Tenkawa: can you try with etch? SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 |
| 10:15.56 | TiMiDo | !screenlets |
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| 10:16.00 | tarzeau | Tenkawa: from is right, to is too new |
| 10:16.03 | TiMiDo | is there any packages on screenlets? |
| 10:16.07 | Tenkawa | tarzeau: I dont have a machine that old :( |
| 10:16.14 | tarzeau | Tenkawa: i've found several bugs in etch that are fixed in unstable |
| 10:16.19 | Tenkawa | ahh |
| 10:16.21 | tralala | HackSign, mkdir /tmp/newusr; mount /dev/hda6 /tmp/newusr; tar -C /usr -c . | tar -C /tmp/newusr -x; sed -i 's/hda3/hda6/' /etc/fstab; reboot |
| 10:16.21 | tarzeau | Tenkawa: but i don't want to backport all of unstable if possible |
| 10:16.33 | tarzeau | Tenkawa: but then if debian doesn't fix them.. not much i can do about it |
| 10:16.37 | Tenkawa | nod understandable |
| 10:16.39 | Tenkawa | yeah :( |
| 10:17.10 | TiMiDo | is there any packages on screenlets? |
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| 10:17.25 | MolePrince | What package do I find the 'play' command in please? |
| 10:17.36 | tarzeau | Tenkawa: i'll test with a backported sshd, thaks |
| 10:17.37 | tarzeau | MolePrince: sox |
| 10:18.19 | MolePrince | Awesome. Thank you :) |
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| 10:18.45 | MolePrince | Also, I have a friend who has a tool that lets him change the pitch/volume and such of the default console beep. Any idea what this might be called? |
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| 10:19.12 | TiMiDo | is there any packages on screenlets? |
| 10:19.19 | TiMiDo | in debian? |
| 10:19.35 | petemc | TiMiDo: /msg dpkg search |
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| 10:28.48 | fsteves | What would be the best route to build a custom install CD with custom packages (and a custom chroot build filesystem) |
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| 10:30.01 | fsteves | err a customised filesystem (essentially a live filesystem, for production use) |
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| 10:30.43 | jjohnson | why are alot of the packages in the latest debian (4.0) are so outdated, im just installing slackware and i noteced that glibc is alot newer (debian 2.3, slackware 2.5) |
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| 10:31.21 | dondelelcaro | jjohnson: the reason why that's the case is because we had to have a release with a transition to 2.6 as the default kernel. |
| 10:31.29 | dondelelcaro | jjohnson: libc6 2.5 does not support 2.4 |
| 10:31.45 | jjohnson | ah |
| 10:31.57 | jjohnson | what about libc6 2.4 |
| 10:32.05 | dondelelcaro | what about it? |
| 10:32.12 | jjohnson | since i needed that or higher to compile pidgin |
| 10:32.21 | jjohnson | and debian didnt have it |
| 10:32.56 | dondelelcaro | well, we have it, but not in stable. |
| 10:33.01 | jjohnson | ah |
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| 10:34.20 | jjohnson | since last night i tried compileing alot of programs on debian and non of them compiled, and i did get all the recomended packages that were required for compiling, but alot of the packages i wanted to compile required libc6 2.4, or gave weird error messages and didnt compile |
| 10:34.55 | jjohnson | i was stuck apt-get all of the outdated window maker applets |
| 10:34.59 | FalscherHase | hi. what are status and plans for the 'upstart' init system in debian? can i use it already on testing/unstable? |
| 10:35.00 | dondelelcaro | the number of packages that actually require libc6 should be fairly small. |
| 10:35.10 | dondelelcaro | s/libc6/& >= 2.4/ |
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| 10:36.03 | Penix | jjohnson: you aren't trying to build ubuntu packages or something on a debian system, are you?... |
| 10:36.03 | dondelelcaro | jjohnson: as far as things failing to compile, you'll have to show the build logs if you want any assistance. |
| 10:36.25 | jjohnson | well i gave up after no window manager would work |
| 10:36.44 | jjohnson | something went rong and gnome, windowmaker, icewm stopped working after a reboot |
| 10:37.04 | dondelelcaro | does X still work? |
| 10:37.13 | jjohnson | if you like jwm |
| 10:37.16 | jjohnson | i mean twm |
| 10:37.44 | Penix | jjohnson: oh. the something-went-wrong bug. yeah, it's being worked on. should be done for 5.0 |
| 10:37.51 | elmo40 | jjohnson, try Enlightenment ;) |
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| 10:38.11 | jjohnson | but i installed slackare since ive used it for years, ill just stick to debian on my mac ibook 500mhz machine |
| 10:38.17 | elmo40 | Penix, ya, i heard about that bug... many kids have been getting it lately. Must be contageous! |
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| 10:38.59 | jjohnson | besides this machine is too buggy for most OS'es only linux will run without crashing |
| 10:39.00 | elmo40 | jjohnson, there is a version of Elive (etch+enlightenment) made for the intel mac books. |
| 10:39.09 | jjohnson | ooh |
| 10:39.10 | dondelelcaro | guh. |
| 10:39.16 | Penix | jjohnson: couldn't possibly be the problem though |
| 10:39.23 | jjohnson | lol |
| 10:39.28 | jjohnson | this machine has issues |
| 10:39.37 | jjohnson | and has had 6 diffrent distros tried |
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| 10:39.43 | jjohnson | each with diffrent problems |
| 10:40.31 | Penix | sounds like you do need some enlightenment |
| 10:40.51 | elmo40 | jjohnson, join #elivemac |
| 10:40.53 | Penix | speaking of e17, damn it's sexy on a PDA |
| 10:41.04 | elmo40 | pda? |
| 10:41.07 | elmo40 | which one? |
| 10:41.14 | Penix | elmo40: iPaq running Angstrom |
| 10:41.18 | elmo40 | nice |
| 10:41.23 | jjohnson | ubuntu wont boot, gentoo well i have a life thank you very much, zenwalk doesnt have what i want, debian never was good with compiling out of box (needed packages installed after setup but otherwise decent) and slackware which needs the older 486 kernel |
| 10:41.53 | elmo40 | Penix, i think the 'problem' is between the chair and the keyboard. |
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| 10:42.05 | mbs_ | Is MIRC work only in text mode without GUI? |
| 10:42.19 | elmo40 | i thought chat WAS text... |
| 10:42.22 | Penix | mbs_: we don't use mirc |
| 10:42.27 | jjohnson | im in elivemac |
| 10:42.32 | jjohnson | i use IRSSI |
| 10:42.53 | Orion_X11 | Which is the name of this program in debian? (picture. 5-1) > http://www.insignesoftware.com/docs/guia_iniciante/guia25.html |
| 10:42.59 | cydork | Penix: screenshots? :) |
| 10:43.11 | mbs_ | Guys!!! I made mistake =))) |
| 10:43.11 | elmo40 | jjohnson, well, if anyone is there (rarely) they will tell you where to get the .iso for Elive |
| 10:43.16 | mbs_ | I mean MICQ |
| 10:43.21 | Penix | cydork: looks pretty much the same as a standard e17 desktop. just changed the ibar config a bit |
| 10:43.24 | jjohnson | k |
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| 10:43.32 | elmo40 | micq? |
| 10:43.36 | cydork | Penix: aah ok. |
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| 10:43.56 | elmo40 | Orion_X11, that looks like a network-admin thingy |
| 10:43.58 | Penix | the wm component does need a little work to make it scale/adapt better |
| 10:44.13 | jjohnson | even though i cant really figure irssi out lol |
| 10:44.16 | Penix | but a focus on embedded stuff seems to be on the horizon |
| 10:44.24 | jjohnson | i dont know how to switch from room to room |
| 10:44.32 | elmo40 | jjohnson, alt+# |
| 10:44.43 | Orion_X11 | elmo40: I know, but i need the exact name to issue apt-get install |
| 10:44.50 | elmo40 | well, if your distro hasnt used that combination at all. |
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| 10:45.38 | mbs_ | elmo40, http://www.micq.org/index.shtml.en |
| 10:45.38 | elmo40 | jjohnson, get it working? |
| 10:45.45 | mbs_ | take a look |
| 10:45.46 | jjohnson | yeah |
| 10:46.10 | elmo40 | mbs_, what do you want to know? |
| 10:46.39 | mbs_ | elmo40, Sorry. I got answers |
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| 10:47.37 | elmo40 | Orion_X11, it says right there on the page! |
| 10:47.39 | elmo40 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:48.09 | jjohnson | i couldnt burn 40 cd's out of a 50 pack because they didnt reconize, and my other machine was able to burn to them |
| 10:48.19 | Orion_X11 | I tried it through synaptic, but did not find :-( |
| 10:48.44 | elmo40 | then it is specific to whatever that distro is |
| 10:48.49 | elmo40 | Orion_X11, what do you need that for? |
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| 10:49.54 | Orion_X11 | elmo40: for making a pppoe connexion using a wireless card |
| 10:50.57 | elmo40 | how the hell do you make a pppoe connection with wifi? that is the strangest thing i have ever heard! |
| 10:51.10 | elmo40 | and why would you want to? |
| 10:51.46 | elmo40 | do you have a router? if so, make an old box a Gateway, and have it DHCP IP address to wifi devices. |
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| 10:56.44 | jjohnson | exit |
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| 11:00.45 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:00.46 | dpkg | * ravenbird whips out his power stapler and staples jetscreamer's genitalia to the ground <jetscreamer> musta been a very large staple |
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| 11:04.39 | john | Does anyone know of a way of snooping on X messages going to/from a partcular client? |
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| 11:05.19 | nvz | john: xmessage |
| 11:05.22 | nvz | er.. |
| 11:05.31 | dondelelcaro | john: man xev; |
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| 11:05.53 | john | nvz, xmessage doesn't do that. |
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| 11:06.08 | john | dondelelcaro, Thanks |
| 11:06.11 | nvz | john: my message was incomplete |
| 11:06.25 | nvz | I was wondering wtf you meant by x messages |
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| 11:06.47 | nvz | I'm apparently getting too tired to type |
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| 11:13.58 | qwertz | Hi, does anybody know if the "LWP::UserAgent" module is in any of the debian etch packages? |
| 11:14.44 | petemc | libwww-perl , perhaps |
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| 11:17.25 | qwertz | petemc, thanks for the info (munin needs it for apache monitoring, in sarge it was required now suggested) |
| 11:17.42 | petemc | np |
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| 11:25.30 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
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| 11:27.02 | DJ-Marcuzz | i have an old ditto 800 drive lying around here, and would like to use it again, but i have not much clue about how to install (ie connect it correcly, should i be directly to the floppy controller? and how to set the bios?) and what has to be doen on the software side? |
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| 11:28.54 | abrotman | DJ-Marcuzz: first you have to figure out how to connect it .. only one adapter will fit |
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| 11:29.22 | DJ-Marcuzz | abrotman, yes the floppy adapter, but does it need an special cable and how tos et the bios? |
| 11:29.39 | delliott | When I perform a netinstall and select to insall the "Desktop" from the pkgsel stage, which Debian CDs should I download to achieve the same without using the Netinstall? |
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| 11:29.52 | abrotman | i doubt it needs a special cable .. just a regular floppy cable .. but it's going to be slow |
| 11:30.09 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 11:30.09 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
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| 11:30.58 | liable | delliott: etch install media has different cd's for gnome and kde, so get the one you want |
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| 11:31.06 | abrotman | DJ-Marcuzz: i'd imagine there are docs about the device on the iomega site |
| 11:31.12 | DJ-Marcuzz | abrotman, ok, and what to set up in teh bios? |
| 11:31.13 | liable | just the first should be enough for most people |
| 11:31.16 | abrotman | (at least .. i think ditto was iomega) |
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| 11:31.26 | abrotman | DJ-Marcuzz: probably not anything .. find the docs for it |
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| 11:31.34 | DJ-Marcuzz | abrotman, yes it is, but not much about the biios part |
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| 11:32.26 | abrotman | DJ-Marcuzz: then just hook it up and see if it works |
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| 11:34.07 | liable | dpkg: what are we going to do tonight? |
| 11:34.07 | dpkg | liable: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
| 11:34.13 | delliott | liable, does that mean that debian-40r0-i386-CD-1.iso is for Gnome, the -kde- and -xfce- are for those desktop environments? |
| 11:34.51 | delliott | And that if I only want to install the Gnome system that comes with doing a "Desktop" netinstall then I want CD-1 ? |
| 11:35.19 | abrotman | it's a portion of gnome .. not the same as aptitude install gnome |
| 11:35.24 | abrotman | but it's certainly enough to get you going |
| 11:35.59 | liable | gnome cant fit on a cd anymore? |
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| 11:36.51 | liable | i didnt realise it had gotten so large |
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| 11:38.00 | delliott | abrotman, so it should be enough to let me have a desktop environment? |
| 11:38.31 | delliott | I'm on an 8mb connection so I'll just download CD1 and see how far through the install process I get on a virtual machine. |
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| 11:44.50 | abrotman | delliott: yes .. but why not just use the netinst ? |
| 11:45.07 | abrotman | liable: the base of gnome does .. and many other apps .. but not all the little extras |
| 11:45.16 | delliott | abrotman, I am on a capped connection and I'm playing around with triple booting on my MacBook |
| 11:45.33 | delliott | I don't want to waste my bandwidth if I need to install n-times over to get the kind of installation that I want |
| 11:46.37 | abrotman | delliott: you could setup an apt cacher kind of thing |
| 11:46.54 | delliott | abrotman, what exactly is an apt cacher? |
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| 11:47.17 | abrotman | !apt-proxy |
| 11:47.17 | dpkg | [apt-proxy] a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/237 |
| 11:47.28 | abrotman | something like that .. but you'd need a server locally to do that |
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| 11:48.05 | delliott | I don't have that luxury |
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| 11:50.29 | abrotman | delliott: what about getting DVD1 ? |
| 11:50.41 | delliott | I don't have a DVD writer |
| 11:50.55 | abrotman | oh |
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| 11:58.30 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 11:58.30 | dpkg | [qotd90] <rituraj> which disks have probs? sata? <directhex|work> rituraj, whatever's in my laptop, and i've heard people with i915 desktops failing installation <jim> then buy a controller put it in the pci slot and be done with it <directhex|work> jim, what a fucking useless waste of time and money for all concerned <directhex|work> jim, and handily, there are hundreds of pci disk controllers for laptops, aren't there |
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| 12:00.07 | shogunx | ! |
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| 12:04.56 | Moneymaker | hello http://www.agloco.com/r/BBGD2426 click this link if you want earn free money and then register account and download viewbar use that viewbar 5h in month and you get money and then invite your friends to then you get more money :) |
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| 12:05.43 | abrotman | Moneymaker: go away |
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| 12:19.30 | fsteves | What would be the best route to build a custom install CD with custom packages (and a custom build filesystem (from chroot) |
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| 12:19.40 | bahadunn | anyone know of network switches that run linux? |
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| 12:20.07 | bahadunn | switches akin to cisco or extreme network equipment? |
| 12:20.11 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 12:20.12 | dpkg | [custom netinst] http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 12:20.22 | abrotman | bahadunn: try #networking perhaps |
| 12:20.38 | bahadunn | figures |
| 12:20.49 | q-tip | bahadunn: what was the question I missed it ? |
| 12:21.00 | abrotman | a switch that runs linux |
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| 12:21.36 | q-tip | Why would you want linux on a switch ? |
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| 12:21.47 | bahadunn | cisco or extreme switches run proprietary software |
| 12:22.13 | q-tip | most run proprietary software ;) |
| 12:22.27 | bahadunn | not sure now cisco is but with extreme you have to pay thousands of dollars to get the "full" license and unlock bi-directional rate limiting etc... |
| 12:22.46 | bahadunn | q-tip: whats your point? |
| 12:22.57 | q-tip | 3com the firmware comes with the switch foundry also |
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| 12:23.11 | bahadunn | switches running free software would be better |
| 12:23.21 | q-tip | bahadunn: I was trying to figure out the use of Linux on a switch thats all |
| 12:23.43 | abrotman | why put linux on a router either ... |
| 12:23.43 | bahadunn | q-tip: oh ok |
| 12:23.44 | q-tip | there was a firewall that have a switched back plane the firebox that runs linux |
| 12:23.50 | bahadunn | abrotman: ? |
| 12:24.03 | bahadunn | abrotman: linux makes great routers |
| 12:24.08 | bahadunn | abrotman: firewalls too |
| 12:24.10 | q-tip | I believe the symantec firewall boxes also run with linux and a checkpointNG plugin |
| 12:24.23 | abrotman | bahadunn: it was sarcasm |
| 12:24.26 | q-tip | yes but routers and switches are different! |
| 12:24.29 | petemc | why? |
| 12:24.31 | q-tip | switches Alyer 2 |
| 12:24.34 | bahadunn | abrotman: ah I thought maybe you were being silly |
| 12:24.36 | q-tip | Routers firewall layer 3 |
| 12:24.43 | nanonyme | hehe |
| 12:25.05 | petemc | i use layer 3 switches |
| 12:25.10 | bahadunn | me too |
| 12:25.16 | petemc | they're common |
| 12:25.17 | q-tip | but the advantage of using linux I dont see when buying a switch |
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| 12:25.31 | q-tip | if you want a resonable switch without the cost of firmware go for 3com |
| 12:25.34 | bahadunn | but unfortunately I do not have access to all the features because you have to pay for a new license |
| 12:25.35 | petemc | q-tip: you seem to be saying its pointless becuase not many people do it |
| 12:26.02 | bahadunn | and I am saying its time to break the mold and free the switch |
| 12:26.05 | q-tip | well ok cool I dont understand the advantages |
| 12:26.18 | petemc | unfettered access |
| 12:26.21 | q-tip | a switch is used to transport network traffic from a to b as quickly as possible |
| 12:26.24 | q-tip | thats it |
| 12:26.25 | bahadunn | 1 advantage is source code |
| 12:26.25 | q-tip | ;) |
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| 12:26.36 | bahadunn | beaing free to modify it as you wish |
| 12:26.48 | bahadunn | being free to run your modified code on the device |
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| 12:27.01 | q-tip | But then thats a whole new ball game ;) |
| 12:27.08 | bahadunn | not new |
| 12:27.21 | bahadunn | there is much free software doing it already |
| 12:27.25 | bahadunn | maybe its new for switches |
| 12:27.30 | bahadunn | but not new in general |
| 12:27.30 | q-tip | open source is a good thing, and im sure if you reverse engineer a switch its possible and I support your goal |
| 12:27.39 | bahadunn | :) |
| 12:27.41 | q-tip | but I still think its not worth it ;) |
| 12:27.43 | bahadunn | a little out of my league |
| 12:27.44 | MangosDebian | bahadunn: linux = bridge+switch+router+whatever_you_want, which is kinda cool imho |
| 12:27.58 | bahadunn | yeah |
| 12:27.58 | q-tip | the cost of switches is so low it makes no sense unless its for education |
| 12:28.07 | petemc | uh |
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| 12:28.13 | bahadunn | q-tip: which switches are you referring too? |
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| 12:28.26 | bahadunn | q-tip: our switches are at least $5000 US |
| 12:28.29 | bahadunn | q-tip: each |
| 12:28.36 | q-tip | load up a linux box with network cards install the vlan optiosn nice ;) |
| 12:28.47 | MangosDebian | q-tip: switches are weak in security and always vulnerable to arp takeovers, plus port mirroring is free in linux switches :) |
| 12:28.53 | q-tip | bahadun: then I guess you have cisco ripoff switches ? |
| 12:28.54 | bahadunn | q-tip: you have a 48-port computer ? |
| 12:29.01 | q-tip | hahaha |
| 12:29.02 | q-tip | nope |
| 12:29.12 | MangosDebian | q-tip: at least the cheap ones |
| 12:29.16 | q-tip | but then if I new what the application was then I might better answer ;) |
| 12:29.26 | lilgg | Hello Im trying to install gd-lib, So I typed apt-get install php4-gd2 but it says its a virtual package. How can I install gd2? (Already have GD but I need version 2 or higher) |
| 12:29.37 | fsteves | !custom netinst |
| 12:29.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 12:29.38 | bahadunn | q-tip: have you ever used or seen enterprise level cisco/extreme switches? |
| 12:29.57 | q-tip | Look my advise if this is for a business requirement if you want cheap dont go to much cheaper than a 3com and your ok |
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| 12:30.10 | q-tip | bahadunn: yep |
| 12:30.30 | q-tip | bahadunn: and 3com and foundry |
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| 12:30.33 | q-tip | ;) |
| 12:30.35 | MangosDebian | bahadunn: i would hate to see the pci bus usage on a 48 port setup if you could get that many cards in a box :) |
| 12:30.35 | bahadunn | its not that I want cheap |
| 12:30.44 | bahadunn | MangosDebian: me too |
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| 12:30.58 | q-tip | Well maybe if you say what you want it will help ;) |
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| 12:31.16 | abrotman | lilgg: apt-cache search libgd |
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| 12:31.29 | MolePrince | What does it mean when I do an aptitude upgrade and it says some packages have been held back please? |
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| 12:31.45 | q-tip | mind you if you already have cisco then your stuck with it unless you have a nice budget ? |
| 12:31.54 | bahadunn | I want to buy a switch and have access to all its features instead of buying a switch and then having to spend more to unlock some features |
| 12:31.55 | MangosDebian | bahadunn: i take it your looking for a 48 port switch equivalent to a wrt45g? something flashable with custom code? |
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| 12:32.13 | bahadunn | I want the switch firmware to be open source so people could modify it, improve it etc... |
| 12:32.13 | toupeira | hi |
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| 12:32.29 | toupeira | does anybody know how to get a list of all samba-enabled users? |
| 12:32.30 | abrotman | !tell MolePrince about held back |
| 12:32.33 | bahadunn | MangosDebian: actually I am looking for something like extreme summit 48si |
| 12:32.39 | lilgg | abrotman so I need to install libgd2-xpm? cos it says its already installed:/ |
| 12:32.42 | abrotman | toupeira: it's in the docs |
| 12:32.51 | abrotman | lilgg: what are you really trying to do ? |
| 12:32.54 | q-tip | bahadunn: Well the 48 port foundry switch is nice it even has ssh access as standard, its a little lower priced than the cisco but as far as I am aware it comes pre-loaded with all options |
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| 12:33.12 | toupeira | abrotman: please do tell me where, I've already spent a lot of time looking |
| 12:33.13 | abrotman | lilgg: i think maybe only libgd is in etch .. not sure |
| 12:33.16 | abrotman | !find libgd etch |
| 12:33.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libgd' (6 of 40): (/usr/lib/libgdk_imlib.so.1) in oldlibs/gdk-imlib1 ;; (/usr/lib/libgdk_imlib.so.2) in oldlibs/gdk-imlib11 ;; (/usr/lib/firebird2/lib/libgds.so) in libdevel/firebird2-dev ;; (/usr/lib/libgda/providers/libgda-odbc.so) in gnome/gda2-odbc ;; (/usr/lib/libgda/providers/libgda-mysql.so) in gnome/gda2-mysql ;; (/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libgdi32.a) in devel/mingw32-runtime. |
| 12:33.38 | abrotman | dpkg: that totally sucked |
| 12:33.39 | MangosDebian | bahadunn: well, ive never heard of anything beyond say 4port with linux. Although I would be interested in something user programmable. maybe not 48port, but still be nice |
| 12:33.45 | q-tip | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:34.09 | abrotman | toupeira: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=samba+list+users&btnG=Google+Search |
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| 12:34.55 | solars | how can I find out which ethX a newly inserted NIC uses? :) |
| 12:35.21 | lilgg | abrotman I Installed some photoblog and it needs GD-lib (version 2 or higher) to work. |
| 12:36.05 | OpenSpace | Hello all, anyone to help me solve this problem please: when using swap, interface just locks up. ctrl-alt-F1 and ctrl-alt-backspace are not of any help either. Only solution is to press power button. Is there any high-priority utility to solve this? |
| 12:36.08 | toupeira | abrotman: thanks, seems my search was too specific, when you add 'enabled' to that search the results are a lot worse ;) |
| 12:36.12 | abrotman | lilgg: doy ou have an actual error ? |
| 12:36.23 | abrotman | toupeira: ah .. darn google .. too smart for its own good :) |
| 12:37.11 | lilgg | abrotman I cant find gd2 to install! I searched google and most of the people used php4-gd2.. |
| 12:37.24 | abrotman | lilgg: i need an error |
| 12:37.39 | abrotman | lilgg: an error from logs .. or compiling or something |
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| 12:37.57 | lilgg | abrotman the photoblog software? |
| 12:38.01 | abrotman | is it looking for a certain file? |
| 12:38.21 | abrotman | did you try installing the -dev libraries ? |
| 12:38.32 | lilgg | hm no |
| 12:38.33 | lilgg | lemme try |
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| 12:39.06 | abrotman | since you won't tell me the actual error .. i get to guess :) |
| 12:39.13 | bahadunn | everyone enjoying etch? |
| 12:39.21 | abrotman | !beer DDs |
| 12:41.13 | solars | can anyone please tell me how to find out which ethX device a NIC uses |
| 12:41.19 | yangvnc | I was trying to build rt2500 wireless module with module assistant, but I got this build error - http://paste.debian.net/33068 |
| 12:42.07 | themill | bahadunn: the trouble is that lenny is already starting to look like it has shiny stuff and I'm going to have to depart etch to bask in the shininess... |
| 12:42.18 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: heya. ever get that hd going with the adaptor? |
| 12:42.31 | abrotman | solars: ethtool might work for you or dmesg |
| 12:42.44 | solars | abrotman, dmesg doesn't show it afaik |
| 12:42.54 | abrotman | yangvnc: did you use m-a ? |
| 12:43.10 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: nope, i am thinking of replacing that adapter and trying with a new one again... |
| 12:43.10 | toupeira | solars: it depends on the driver |
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| 12:43.32 | yangvnc | abrotman: m-a a-i rt2500 and m-a get rt2500;m-a build rt2500 |
| 12:43.43 | solars | toupeira, ah, alright |
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| 12:44.10 | themill | solars: ifconfig ? |
| 12:44.16 | Myelin | hello, can i install the debian with just CD no. 1, that comes with xfce? |
| 12:44.22 | lilgg | abrotman Im goin to ask in their forum or something. phpinfo says the gf version is 2.0 or higher. |
| 12:44.22 | yangvnc | abrotman: it gave me these errors with the new lenny kernel |
| 12:44.30 | lilgg | gd* |
| 12:44.30 | bahadunn | themill: would not run lenny on production though |
| 12:44.37 | lilgg | anyway thank you for your time! |
| 12:44.43 | abrotman | lilgg: what's the actual error ? |
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| 12:45.04 | abrotman | PHP does show errors .. |
| 12:45.07 | lilgg | abrotman theres no error.. it doesnt show the images |
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| 12:45.25 | lilgg | so I guess its the GD's error |
| 12:45.27 | themill | bahadunn: yeah.... it's for my own desktop.... I have to weigh up the bling vs frequent breakage that you get with testing |
| 12:45.33 | yangvnc | Myelin: you can install DEBIAN of the first CD, the rest you can do over network (http/ftp) installation after that, when you set up your networking |
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| 12:46.17 | Myelin | yangvnc: Thanks. |
| 12:46.18 | abrotman | lilgg: maybe ask ##php ? |
| 12:46.24 | yangvnc | Myelin: if you have an ethernet connection just do "pppoeconf" |
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| 12:46.40 | lilgg | okk |
| 12:46.41 | yangvnc | Myelin: install ppp and pppoeconf packages too |
| 12:46.46 | lilgg | thanks abrotman:)) |
| 12:46.51 | Myelin | yangvnc: ok. |
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| 12:47.53 | bahadunn | themill: desktop is different |
| 12:48.00 | bahadunn | themill: I run sid on my desktop |
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| 12:48.54 | nslater_ | What format are cursor graphics saved in? (/usr/share/icons/Industrial/cursors) I would like to open one in GIMP. |
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| 12:49.36 | tarzeau | supermongo is awful software. nobody has a debian source package? |
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| 12:50.26 | pengol | hi there ... anybody can help me with pgp? |
| 12:50.33 | pengol | sorry I mean gnupg |
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| 12:50.52 | gholm | I've got a floppy image (iso file) on my harddrive for a driver bootdisk. Anything special or do I just cp it to fd? |
| 12:51.13 | rumpl | dd it to floppy |
| 12:51.26 | yangvnc | abrotman: any more ideas? I allready built the module rt2500 for the previous 2.6.18 kernel and have it installed, trying for the 2.6.21 now |
| 12:51.35 | gholm | rumpl cool |
| 12:51.53 | rumpl | Without mounting it. |
| 12:52.53 | MangosDebian | rumpl: funny, I was always under the impression you could cp floppy.img /dev/fd0 as well |
| 12:53.19 | rumpl | The you have a file in your floppy. The iso file. |
| 12:53.30 | rumpl | Not a bootable floppy or whatever. |
| 12:53.42 | MangosDebian | thats only when you mount it |
| 12:54.12 | abrotman | yangvnc: it's quite possible they aren't going to work together .. did you check the bts ? |
| 12:54.23 | rumpl | Maybe, I never did a cp on a not-mounted floppy, I always do a dd. |
| 12:54.44 | abrotman | yangvnc: /usr/src/modules/rt2500/rt_config.h:58:40: error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory |
| 12:54.47 | MangosDebian | rumpl: same, but im pretty sure cp is a valid method as well |
| 12:54.57 | abrotman | !find linux/config.h lenny |
| 12:55.03 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'linux/config.h' (4): (/usr/lib/ruby/1.8/i486-linux/config.h) in devel/ruby1.8-dev ;; (/usr/lib/ruby/1.9/i486-linux/config.h) in devel/ruby1.9-dev ;; (/usr/lib/klibc/include/linux/config.h) in libdevel/libklibc-dev ;; (/usr/src/ecos/packages/compat/linux/v2_0/include/linux/config.h) in devel/ecos. |
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| 12:55.15 | abrotman | that doesn't seem right ... |
| 12:55.19 | rumpl | MangosDebian, have you tryied it? |
| 12:55.24 | MangosDebian | rumpl: ie: cp file.img /dev/fd0 = dd if=file.img of=/dev/fd0 |
| 12:55.45 | MangosDebian | rumpl: probably, can't recall specifically though, have you ever? |
| 12:55.56 | rumpl | Like I said, I never tryed that, but it could work |
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| 12:56.18 | MangosDebian | rumpl: you got a floppy handy? :) |
| 12:56.43 | rumpl | Nope :) |
| 12:56.56 | rumpl | Laptop. |
| 12:57.04 | rumpl | And not at home. |
| 12:57.06 | yangvnc | abrotman: yes, i only have /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.21-2/include/linux$ configfs.h |
| 12:57.42 | MangosDebian | rumpl: are you aware you can tar directly to /dev/fd0 as well? |
| 12:57.54 | rumpl | Sure. |
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| 12:58.38 | MangosDebian | rumpl: could always test the theory on a loop back for the sake of argument |
| 12:58.45 | MangosDebian | ill wait here ;) |
| 12:58.47 | rumpl | That was it's first use no? Not on floppies but on tapes. |
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| 12:59.17 | MangosDebian | yes, tapes were its original use, thus tape archive |
| 12:59.48 | rumpl | And this concludes our little history lesson. |
| 12:59.50 | MangosDebian | but a block device is a block device is a block device so to speak |
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| 13:01.02 | rumpl | Hum, a block device is a block device is a block device so to speak? Yes, a block device is a block device. What do you mean by this? |
| 13:01.26 | nanonyme | eerm |
| 13:01.29 | tarzeau | what does this do ? sed -e 's#/[^/]*$$##' |
| 13:02.07 | nanonyme | replace /[^/]*$$ with nothing? |
| 13:02.09 | nanonyme | dunno |
| 13:02.28 | nanonyme | i don't know if sed supports using # as delimiters like perl regex |
| 13:02.40 | nanonyme | if it does, that would be simpler |
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| 13:03.12 | MangosDebian | rumpl: i mean that cp / dd would have the same effect |
| 13:03.22 | kaktuskatta | Hi! I need some help!I'm trying to setup a wireless card on a debian-box, but during the installation I have to specify Linux kernel source directory (default is /usr/src/linux. x.x.x.x) This is not the case on my box! How can I find out which directory the kernel lies in? |
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| 13:04.41 | Wyzard | kaktuskatta: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 13:04.58 | themill | kaktuskatta: could you tell us what wireless card you are using as there might be an easier way. |
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| 13:06.32 | abrotman | yangvnc: seems like a problem |
| 13:06.47 | abrotman | Wyzard: don't you ever work? :) |
| 13:07.01 | kaktuskatta | Ralink RT61 |
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| 13:07.43 | kaktuskatta | Hehe....the thing is that I need to setup a laptop as a gateway in order to connect to the internet with the debian-box...I don't know how to do that :P |
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| 13:08.38 | kaktuskatta | I found the proper drivers for my card on Ralink's homepages |
| 13:09.44 | kaktuskatta | I tried make, but it seems that I have to run a spesific script in a catalog named "Module". |
| 13:10.04 | azeem | say I want to check out the git repository here: http://www.gnome.org/~alexl/git/gvfs.git/, what would be the appropriate command? `git-clone <url>'? |
| 13:11.02 | abrotman | azeem: seems that way .. |
| 13:11.10 | azeem | ok |
| 13:11.28 | themill | kaktuskatta: allegedly, the rt2x00-source package for debian contains drivers for that. I've found in the past that the drivers on the ralink website are pretty ropey. They aren't kept up to date with current kernels etc etc. |
| 13:11.34 | azeem | is it normal that git-clone wipes the clone/checkout/whatever when it cannot download an object? |
| 13:11.38 | abrotman | though the examples have it as "git clone <url>" |
| 13:11.45 | azeem | so that I have to start over (for the third time now) |
| 13:11.59 | azeem | hrm |
| 13:11.59 | abrotman | azeem: that i don't know .. but that seems like pretty poor behaviour |
| 13:12.17 | kaktuskatta | themill: So how do I set up my card on the box? And do you know how I can set up a ubuntu-box as a gateway? |
| 13:12.59 | kaktuskatta | I need that in order to connect to the internet as there is no cable in this room. The ubuntu-box is set up with wireless aswell |
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| 13:13.59 | MangosDebian | azeem: how are you finding git compared to svn? |
| 13:14.29 | azeem | MangosDebian: I'm trying not to kickban everybody who mentions git in this chan |
| 13:14.45 | MangosDebian | azeem: that bad huh? |
| 13:15.34 | kaktuskatta | themill: Are you able to help me? |
| 13:15.45 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:16.34 | themill | kaktuskatta: not really. I no longer have any ralink hardware and I don't use ubuntu, I use debian. |
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| 13:17.08 | themill | kaktuskatta: sorry! Try asking google or on #ubuntu |
| 13:17.36 | kaktuskatta | themill: Ok.So should I be able to find the package under apt? |
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| 13:23.52 | themill | kaktuskatta: this might help: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=85692&sid=afaad0502015f72ca0bf90af2512528a#85692 |
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| 13:24.38 | Shadow_7 | How does one compile nsplugginwrapper in Debain AMD64 etch ? Apparently there's a bug in gcc-4.1, which is resolved in gcc-4.2. Specifically the _Unwind_GetIPInfo thing. and/or why is nsplugginwrapper not a debian package in said distro? |
| 13:25.32 | Wyzard | Shadow_7: I guess nobody had packaged it yet when etch was released, or the package wasn't considered ready for release, but nspluginwrapper is packaged in unstable |
| 13:25.35 | Shadow_7 | Or is there some other way to get 32 bit plugins to work? Like java applets, flash videos, et cetera. |
| 13:26.17 | Wyzard | Shadow_7: In fact, a "flashplugin-nonfree" package was recently introduced on amd64 (in unstable) which uses nspluginwrapper to run Flash |
| 13:26.22 | Shadow_7 | I used the minimal net install cd image. And am otherwise bandwidth challenged on dialup. |
| 13:26.52 | Wyzard | You could try backporting the unstable nspluginwrapper and flashplugin-nonfree packages |
| 13:26.57 | Wyzard | !tell Shadow_7 about simple sid backport |
| 13:27.20 | Shadow_7 | It's taken me at least a day just to get xorg+iceape+stuff to have a minimal gui desktop. |
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| 13:28.56 | kaktuskatta | themill: thanks :) |
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| 13:30.24 | maddash | !wassail |
| 13:30.36 | lilkid | i have a newly installed debian machine, though its blocking all external requests e.g. webserver/vnc , it's just not accessible on the network.. what could cause this? |
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| 13:31.15 | Wyzard | lilkid: "iptables -L" to check whether you have any firewall rules in place, though Debian doesn't install a firewall by default |
| 13:31.34 | Shadow_7 | I suppose I could do that source backport thing. But I would have hoped the minimal cd included things like xorg, g++, et cetera. Perhaps there could be a minimal supplemental cd image. For those of us who hord bandwidth while visiting distrant relatives with bandwidth? |
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| 13:32.12 | maddash | Shadow_7: make your own cd. |
| 13:32.19 | stew | Shadow_7: cd1 (the first full cd) would have those, netinst is really meant to be the smallest cd that contains a base system |
| 13:32.43 | Shadow_7 | Is there gonna be an AMD64 liveCD? |
| 13:32.47 | Wyzard | Shadow_7: The reason it's called "minimal" is because it only contains just enough to start the installer so the rest can be downloaded on-the-fly |
| 13:32.57 | Shadow_7 | Otherwise I could see why ubuntu is soo popular. |
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| 13:33.02 | stew | Shadow_7: http://live.debian.net |
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| 13:33.13 | stew | Shadow_7: (whidh is not yet official) |
| 13:33.35 | Shadow_7 | nice to know. I generally use cdimage.debian.org |
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| 13:34.10 | edistar | can someone tell me why livecds are so wonderful? I dislike them actually, cause it is quite clumsy to click all the time? |
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| 13:34.35 | stew | edistar: they are good as repair cds |
| 13:34.43 | Wyzard | edistar: They can be useful for troubleshooting/recovery purposes -- I use Ubuntu's for that |
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| 13:35.16 | Shadow_7 | With a liveCD, you get a taste and a somewhat full desktop to install. Which is usefull if you're not sure your machine is AMD64 capable. Before you download 21+ distro CDs. |
| 13:35.31 | abrotman | who downloads 21CDs!? |
| 13:35.32 | et | who downloads distro cds anyway ... |
| 13:36.18 | lilkid | Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) |
| 13:36.19 | Shadow_7 | For example, my AlthlonXP desktop doesn't support it, but appears to be 64 bit. My AMD Sempron 3300+ laptop doesn't support it, but my AMD Sempron 3100+ does support it. |
| 13:36.20 | lilkid | target prot opt source destination |
| 13:36.36 | helo | !quote |
| 13:36.56 | Wyzard | Shadow_7: You could also check that by booting the amd64 install CD (even just the minimal one that you used) |
| 13:37.10 | Shadow_7 | abrotman: those on dialup who are hording foreign bandwidth because they don't know which they actually need and don't want to spend days downloading everything when they return home to dialup speeds. |
| 13:37.13 | lilkid | same again for FORWARD and OUTPUT , i want to cry, to me that sounds like the firewall isn't blocking? |
| 13:37.43 | edistar | Wyzard: thanks ;) now it seems quite clear to me ;) But why not call them repair cds? ;) |
| 13:37.46 | Shadow_7 | lilkid: did you setup the routing? |
| 13:37.48 | Wyzard | lilkid: Indeed, you have no firewall blocking anything |
| 13:38.29 | Shadow_7 | Well, even the minimal CD is 150MB+ which is 15+ hours on dialup. |
| 13:38.35 | Shadow_7 | quite a commitment. |
| 13:39.05 | lilkid | Shadow_7: what do you mean by routing? |
| 13:39.16 | Shadow_7 | route -n || netstat -r |
| 13:39.36 | Shadow_7 | having an interface does not mean packets are sent/through said interface. |
| 13:39.44 | Wyzard | Shadow_7: You can use another computer with a faster connection to download the CDs -- use someone's broadband to download all three DVDs and then you don't need to download any packages at all on your dialup |
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| 13:40.41 | Wyzard | Shadow_7: Or you can buy CDs; there are several companies which sell them, and debian.org has info about where to get them |
| 13:40.46 | Shadow_7 | Well, part of that issue is that my supposed DVD burner has yet to completely burn a single dvd. I has 15%-ish finished a knoppix DVD. Enough to start the boot process, but doomed to failure shortly there after. |
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| 13:41.45 | lilkid | Shadow_7: ooh, nope, sorry i'm a little new to linux obviously =/ *gets on to google* |
| 13:41.50 | Shadow_7 | That was on debian 3.0r3 via cdroms only though. |
| 13:42.42 | Shadow_7 | lilkid: what type of connection are you making? static? dhcp? wireless? ethernet? dialup? |
| 13:43.05 | Wyzard | lilkid: When you said nothing could connect *to* your computer on the network, I assumed that your computer actually has an IP address and can connect outward to other things... |
| 13:45.29 | lilkid | Wyzard: According to my router it has an ip address of 192.168.2.4 , i can connect to samba fine.. haven't tested connections out |
| 13:45.30 | Wyzard | Shadow_7: Then you'd either get yourself a DVD burner that isn't broken, or use someone else's DVD burner, or use the CD images rather than the DVD images, or buy a CD/DVD set rather than burning them yourself |
| 13:45.49 | lilkid | Shadow_7: Ethernet |
| 13:45.53 | Wyzard | lilkid: Can you ping it? |
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| 13:49.35 | lilkid | Wyzard: wierd..ok now i can access it but it has some strange hostname.. "Unknown-00-04-5a-73-b1-5a" how do i change it from its mac add? |
| 13:50.17 | Wyzard | lilkid: How did you determine that's the hostname? |
| 13:51.34 | lilkid | it says it in my router connections page, and if i paste it in my browser i can see apache default page |
| 13:52.17 | Wyzard | That's DNS being done by your router, then |
| 13:52.22 | Wyzard | It has nothing to do with your Debian box |
| 13:53.47 | Wyzard | ...well, the router is probably using a default name because the Debian box isn't providing its hostname in the DHCP request |
| 13:54.00 | Wyzard | You could uncomment the "send host-name" option in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 13:55.05 | lilkid | ooh ok, apologies for my stupidity! and thanks, will do right now |
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| 13:57.53 | Wyzard | That's not really stupidity on your part... most other DHCP clients do send the hostname automatically, and there's a long-standing wishlist bug against dhcp3-client requesting that it do so too |
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| 14:02.29 | CppIsWeird | there a program to test a drives throughput? |
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| 14:03.04 | lilkid | Wyzard: ah ok, it seems common sense to send a hostname by default.. , ok i've updated the dhclient.conf , how can i reconnect/re aquire an ip? |
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| 14:03.20 | Wyzard | ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
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| 14:04.57 | lilkid | =D |
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| 14:05.40 | xored`off | is MS access able to work with an mysql server ? |
| 14:07.12 | lilkid | xored`off: yep, don't have a clue how though |
| 14:07.16 | Wyzard | xored`off: There's an ODBC plugin for MySQL which lets it do that |
| 14:07.30 | lilkid | :P |
| 14:08.07 | xored`off | Wyzard: thank you |
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| 14:09.10 | sohmestra | tell dpkg nickometer sohmestra |
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| 14:09.54 | imownbey | Can I change someones home directory? |
| 14:10.09 | sohmestra | imownbey: sure. |
| 14:10.17 | imownbey | how? |
| 14:10.29 | sohmestra | imownbey: vipw, change /home/foo to whatever you want for the appropriate user |
| 14:11.45 | imownbey | thanks |
| 14:11.48 | sohmestra | imownbey: well, useing usermod would probably be better |
| 14:11.59 | sohmestra | imownbey: man usermod |
| 14:12.00 | imownbey | hahaha |
| 14:12.07 | imownbey | you tell me that after I changed it in passwd? |
| 14:12.12 | imownbey | is it okay if I just did it straight in passwd |
| 14:12.21 | lilkid | how can i force debian to aquire a fixed ip? |
| 14:13.02 | sohmestra | imownbey: yeah. |
| 14:13.27 | sohmestra | lilkid: set up a static IP for the appropriate interface in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:14.07 | sohmestra | lilkid: if you want a fixed address assigned via DHCP, you'd have to configure your dhcp server for that, not the client. |
| 14:14.29 | sohmestra | lilkid: man interfaces |
| 14:15.08 | lilkid | sohmestra: this is a server machine, so i don't really need dhcp |
| 14:15.41 | sohmestra | lilkid: then the manpage for interfaces is what you'll want to read. |
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| 14:16.04 | lilkid | sohmestra: =] thanks |
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| 14:19.07 | dwschool | how do i check to see if apache2 is listening on port? |
| 14:19.18 | rumpl | nmap |
| 14:19.51 | dwschool | i am having this problem with one of my lan webservers, just stopped working and i can't figure out y |
| 14:19.54 | rumpl | Or /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
| 14:20.11 | themill | dwschool: netstat -p |
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| 14:21.15 | dwschool | apache2 comes up but the is tcp6 at the start of the line |
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| 14:21.58 | dwschool | but when i try and connect via the ip address i get nothing |
| 14:22.37 | dwschool | it just quit working after a power outage |
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| 14:24.19 | unlink | what package has gcc manpages? |
| 14:24.51 | nacer | i have some problem with apache1.3 and debian sarge |
| 14:25.01 | nacer | do you have see a error about thaht on debian mailling list ? |
| 14:25.12 | petemc | unlink: manpages-dev ? |
| 14:25.38 | unlink | ah, thanks |
| 14:25.44 | nacer | my probleme is abour rewrite rule |
| 14:25.53 | stew | nacer: if you have a question, just ask it |
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| 14:26.08 | unlink | oh, it doesn't have it |
| 14:26.40 | stew | unlink: gcc-doc which is in non-free |
| 14:26.42 | nacer | stew, i dont really have a question but i have a bug that a doesn't have last week |
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| 14:27.48 | unlink | laaaaame |
| 14:28.13 | stew | nacer: you mean you have a bug in apache on sarge which you didn't have last week? |
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| 14:28.51 | nacer | yep |
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| 14:28.57 | nacer | but i ave make a update last week |
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| 14:29.02 | nacer | securitty update |
| 14:29.05 | stew | nacer: there hasn't been a new version of apache released since september |
| 14:29.10 | nacer | but i have look the apache cahngelog |
| 14:29.14 | nacer | there no update on apache |
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| 14:29.39 | stew | nacer: what exactly is the bug? |
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| 14:29.58 | nacer | mod_rewrite et option [PT] passthrough |
| 14:30.09 | nacer | [PT] don't seem to work |
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| 14:31.06 | stew | nacer: works for me |
| 14:31.15 | nacer | apache1.3 |
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| 14:31.19 | nacer | mmmmm |
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| 14:31.57 | nacer | ok stew |
| 14:32.12 | themill | unlink: ? |
| 14:32.16 | dwschool | i have two webserver, the one that works when i do a netstat the line start with tcp, the one that doesn't work it starts with tcp6, why would that be? |
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| 14:32.29 | dwschool | ignore that |
| 14:32.54 | dwschool | both show exactly the same line, but one of them doesnt work |
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| 14:33.14 | dwschool | and i get nothing in logs |
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| 14:34.41 | Noborusan | I think my server got hacked |
| 14:34.49 | Supaplex | !think |
| 14:34.49 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 14:34.54 | Noborusan | can anyone giveme hand please |
| 14:35.14 | Supaplex | what leads you to suspect it is hacked? |
| 14:35.57 | Noborusan | I found there are many attemptions on my ssh port with using different IP numbers,it seems they were trying to make it by doing more than 2 hours a session,they didnt make it |
| 14:36.16 | Noborusan | Supaplex, but, in auth.log there are some lines are strange |
| 14:36.24 | liable | paste it |
| 14:36.43 | Noborusan | it is 20th,July today, and i am SURE i went to sleep last night before 12:00AM but |
| 14:36.52 | Noborusan | yeah,let me paste it ,hand on |
| 14:36.53 | Supaplex | !nopaste |
| 14:36.53 | dpkg | Remember you can not paste here, use http://nopaste.snit.ch/ and/or ask me !paste, or if you are stuck in console with no mouse, you can install nopaste: wget http://n01se.net/agriffis/nopaste/nopaste-1992 && chmod 700 nopaste-1992 && command | nopaste, ruby is required, or the homepage for nopaste is http://n01se.net/agriffis/nopaste/ |
| 14:37.11 | abrotman | Noborusan: that's "normal" |
| 14:37.38 | Noborusan | let me paste it |
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| 14:38.53 | stew | Noborusan: do you have any reason to suspect that anyone actually logged in? or just that people tried? |
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| 14:40.16 | ampex2 | is it possible to specify a from address when using the mail command from the console? |
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| 14:41.47 | themill | ampex2: man mail |
| 14:42.04 | Noborusan | abrotman and stew ,here http://pastebin.ca/627774 |
| 14:42.07 | petemc | echo "$TEXT" | mail -a "From: foo@bar" |
| 14:42.56 | ampex2 | interesting |
| 14:43.02 | ampex2 | suse mail has a parameter for it |
| 14:43.04 | ampex2 | debian needs -a |
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| 14:44.03 | themill | Noborusan: looks like cron doing its job. Any particular line that you're worried about? |
| 14:44.07 | stew | Noborusan: that look like normal cron activity |
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| 14:44.46 | Noborusan | hmm how about that line Jul 20 06:25:01 debian su[2286]: + ??? root:nobody |
| 14:44.52 | Noborusan | nobody ? |
| 14:45.02 | stew | Noborusan: it looks like cron.hourly running at 17 minutes after every hour, then at 6:25am cron.daily runs, which runs updatedb, before it runs updatedb, the root user drops its privileges to 'nobody' so that it is safer |
| 14:45.20 | Noborusan | oh :) |
| 14:45.22 | stew | Noborusan: 'nobody' is a normal system user with very few privileges |
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| 14:45.50 | stew | Noborusan: cat /etc/cron.daily/find |
| 14:45.53 | Noborusan | oh,i see, Thanks :) but then, in auth.log,there are many lines indicates someone or many were trying to log in my ssh |
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| 14:46.12 | fueL\\ | anyone know which package the dig program is a part of? |
| 14:46.47 | stew | Noborusan: yes, that is normal. welcome to the internet :P. If you want to quell those attempts consider installing something like fail2ban |
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| 14:47.04 | TiMiDo | Can't locate Xmms/Remote.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/ |
| 14:47.05 | stew | fueL\\: dnsutils ; /msg dpkg search |
| 14:47.08 | TiMiDo | any ideas why im getting this error |
| 14:47.08 | TiMiDo | ? |
| 14:47.24 | _E-bola | Do anybody know how i can make a natted debian box, keep a ssh tunnel open at all times to my home server? |
| 14:47.25 | stew | TiMiDo: is libxmms-perl installed? |
| 14:47.39 | fueL\\ | stew: thanks! |
| 14:47.42 | TiMiDo | naw |
| 14:47.44 | TiMiDo | thanks st |
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| 14:48.01 | stew | _E-bola: autossh |
| 14:48.43 | sohmestra | : dnsutils |
| 14:48.44 | _E-bola | ahh perfect |
| 14:48.54 | sohmestra | fueL\\: dnsutils |
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| 14:50.55 | Noborusan | stew, hmm,it seems they were using a program to do it,i mean trying to log in my ssh by using different username and password |
| 14:51.23 | stew | Noborusan: yes, fail2ban would firewall them off after their third failed attempt |
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| 14:52.37 | Noborusan | stew, http://pastebin.ca/627790 :( |
| 14:52.58 | Noborusan | stew, the last IP is from the USA,that person was trying it over hours |
| 14:53.20 | stew | Noborusan: yes, i understand. you should expect this to happen to any machine running ssh on a public ip |
| 14:53.29 | themill | Noborusan: these are unfortunately normal cracking attempts. Definitely install something like fail2ban |
| 14:53.33 | Supaplex | and execelent reason to use strong passwords, or ssh keys only, or a variety of other things |
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| 14:53.45 | Noborusan | stew, does fail2ban will affect my ssh login ? it is a trouble to call my ISP to reboot machine for me if i screw it up again |
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| 14:54.32 | stew | Noborusan: if you screw up 3 times in a row (which you could configure to something greater like 5 times in a row), it firewalls you off for 10 minutes (which is also configurable) |
| 14:54.38 | Noborusan | i just apt-get install fail2ban and im done ? |
| 14:54.46 | themill | Noborusan: you might also like to tell your ssh daemon to only allow certain users to ssh in (e.g. don't permit root, lp etc. Only permit your personal user account, if you don't have too many users) |
| 14:54.49 | stew | Noborusan: you can also consider running ssh on a non-standard port |
| 14:55.22 | Noborusan | stew, I see |
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| 14:55.44 | themill | Noborusan: if you are using a public key pair for login then you don't even have to worry about getting the password wrong for the login and locking yourself out. If you do lock yourself out it's only for 15min (I think that's the default). |
| 14:55.46 | Noborusan | themill, yeah,that is a good idea too |
| 14:56.13 | Noborusan | what do you mean by 'a public key pair' ? |
| 14:56.41 | ribasushi | themill: what is it that provides that functionality? (I came in late) |
| 14:56.54 | ribasushi | Noborusan: man ssh-keygen |
| 14:57.03 | themill | ribasushi: fail2ban is what I use. There are others. |
| 14:57.31 | Noborusan | let me install fail2ban anyways, Thanks all |
| 14:57.40 | themill | ribasushi: fail2ban watches the log files and then uses iptables to kill off ip addresses with lots of failed connection attempts (5 failures in 5 minutes or something). |
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| 14:58.22 | Noborusan | by the way,in etch, is it true that after recompiled zlib, sshd NEEDS to be restarted ? |
| 14:58.55 | themill | ribasushi: fail2ban can also be configured to watch for 401 auth errors in apache logs |
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| 14:59.01 | Supaplex | why recompile zlib? why not just grab the updates? |
| 14:59.04 | elton_ | hi |
| 14:59.10 | SmallR2002 | is there a way to download something and have it echo'd to stdout instead of to a file? |
| 14:59.16 | Noborusan | themill, the default installation of fail2ban will work immediately ? |
| 14:59.23 | ribasushi | themill: reading about it right now |
| 14:59.38 | ribasushi | themill: trying to figure out how does it tie into netfilter |
| 14:59.41 | elton_ | i'm trying to install g++ on etch but dpkg -s g++ tells me that it doesn't know anything about g++ |
| 14:59.43 | streuner | SmallR2002: apt-get -s install <package>ß |
| 14:59.44 | Supaplex | SmallR2002: see wget -O, lynx --source, curl, GET ... |
| 14:59.48 | streuner | SmallR2002: apt-get -s install <package>? |
| 15:01.07 | SmallR2002 | wget -O with no file sends it to stdout? |
| 15:01.20 | SmallR2002 | streuner, not a package, a file |
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| 15:01.25 | bilss | hi |
| 15:01.44 | petemc | thats the default behaviour of curl, i think]# |
| 15:01.52 | themill | Noborusan: I think so but it's ages since I set it up (I think it was on woody...) |
| 15:01.59 | streuner | SmallR2002: yeah, need another coffee ;-) |
| 15:02.09 | SmallR2002 | !coffee streuner |
| 15:02.33 | Noborusan | okay |
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| 15:02.57 | bilss | liable: still looking for a static IP , looks like dynamic DNS is the only way to go |
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| 15:04.09 | liable | bilss: erm, the only way to get a static ip is from your isp |
| 15:04.18 | helo | when configuring the local domains for exim4 to deliver locally, it says to exclude "localhost" and "myhostname" from the list, but then states that if the list is left blank, no local deliveries will be made.... i want local deliveries if an email comes in addressed to someuser@myhostname, but i want to act as a smarthost for other destination hostnames... wtf? |
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| 15:04.55 | bilss | liable: thats correct and they do not provide one so dynamic DNS seems the next best option |
| 15:04.59 | elton_ | can somebody please tell me wich package g++ is in under etch? |
| 15:05.08 | ribasushi | is there a guideline about the standard 'staff' and 'adm' groups? |
| 15:05.10 | ribasushi | like which is udes for what |
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| 15:05.47 | themill | elton_: apt-file search bin/g++ ... g++ |
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| 15:06.02 | stew | elton_: you probably want to install build-essential |
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| 15:06.21 | Xcxz | how to clean /var/run/utmp file , it who shows a specific user is logged on even though he isnt |
| 15:06.26 | Shadow_7 | g++-4.1 on my box. |
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| 15:06.41 | themill | !tell elton about b-e |
| 15:06.47 | stew | elton_: staff gets write access to /usr/local/ adm is allowed to read logs |
| 15:06.49 | Shadow_7 | although I seemed to have to had manually do an ln -s /usr/bin/g++-4.1 /usr/bin/g++ |
| 15:07.02 | stew | err ribasushi ^^^^ |
| 15:07.30 | themill | elton_: you may also need to update-alternatives for g++ |
| 15:07.34 | elton_ | stew: thx |
| 15:07.37 | MatBoy | is there already some progres on the Marvell2 Chipset ? |
| 15:08.46 | liable | MatBoy: what do you mean? |
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| 15:09.50 | raqamy | how to go in a rescue mode in debian? |
| 15:10.11 | Supaplex | !rescue |
| 15:10.11 | dpkg | well, rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
| 15:11.04 | liable | raqamy: boot into into single user mode (its the second entry for every kernel in grub) |
| 15:11.05 | MatBoy | liable, I'm not able to install debian on drives attached on this controller; http://www.supermicro.nl/products/accessories/addon/DAC-SATA-MV8.cfm so that is the using the Marvell chip |
| 15:11.22 | fasta | How can I change the brightness of media in e.g. Iceweasel? The text colors all look great, but when I see a photo it's way too dark. |
| 15:11.34 | dwschool | i can't seem to get apt-get to work, i've tried various different sources, they all time out. i have another server on my lan that works fine |
| 15:11.46 | dwschool | what could be wrong |
| 15:12.53 | Shadow_7 | can you ping the repositories? |
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| 15:13.21 | dwschool | what should i ping |
| 15:13.36 | Supaplex | the hostname |
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| 15:13.54 | MatBoy | liable, or do you have a solution for me ? |
| 15:14.05 | liable | MatBoy: no |
| 15:14.08 | dwschool | when i ping debian.org it returns the ip but no ping reply |
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| 15:14.17 | MatBoy | liable, mhh... is that chip really not supported ? |
| 15:14.52 | Shadow_7 | so either dns works, or you put debian.org in your /etc/hosts |
| 15:15.02 | liable | MatBoy: i dont know. marvell arent usually very giving irt to specs for their devices, so it wouldnt surprise me |
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| 15:15.21 | MatBoy | liable, mhh, that almost s*** :) |
| 15:15.32 | Shadow_7 | dwschool: can you ping google.com and/or yahoo.com ? |
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| 15:16.20 | Xcxz | is there a better way than who , to tell what users are currently logged in? |
| 15:16.29 | Supaplex | can he ping his router? |
| 15:17.04 | Shadow_7 | Xcxz: users ? |
| 15:17.08 | nanonyme | hey, how do i make debian autoload a keymap? |
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| 15:18.49 | dwschool | shadow_7: yes i get ip but no reply |
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| 15:19.11 | Shadow_7 | so dns works, but routing doesn't. |
| 15:19.20 | liable | put your 'route' output on a paster |
| 15:19.26 | Shadow_7 | If dns isn't local, then it's likely a firewall issue. |
| 15:19.40 | Shadow_7 | or a routing issue. |
| 15:19.52 | Shadow_7 | although dns shouldn't work if it is a routing issue. |
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| 15:20.32 | dwschool | route return looks ok |
| 15:20.52 | liable | paste it |
| 15:20.54 | Shadow_7 | dwschool: try `echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling` and see if that helps. |
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| 15:21.22 | GoClick | I'm using Ubuntu but no one in #ubuntu seems to be able to help me. I have two ethernet interfaces in a machine and only one of them is grabbing an ip, both are connected, if I disconnect the cable to the one with the ip the other gets an ip via dhcp and works fine. mii-tool and ethtool both see both cards fine but it seems the system only want to get one ip at a time. |
| 15:21.28 | dwschool | i can't paste it, i'm remotly connected through telnet |
| 15:21.35 | jetscreamer | not sure if it matters or applies, but twice my ip's have changed: once the internal ip range, and again recently the external ip that gets hung on my router(rr->comcast) both times i had to take down and reinit my 'firewall' to get conect back |
| 15:21.42 | MatBoy | liable, strange is that the card is detected and I can see the drives.. I can't write partitiontables to the drive :S |
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| 15:22.08 | liable | MatBoy: if you can see the drive, then it should work |
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| 15:22.24 | MatBoy | liable, and it doesn't so that sucks |
| 15:22.42 | massctrl | hey all, how can I prevent dmesg output from appearing on the console ? |
| 15:23.04 | Shadow_7 | GoClick: did you run dhclient3 <interface> for each interface? |
| 15:23.09 | liable | massctrl: what kind of output? |
| 15:23.55 | massctrl | liable: all kinds of error messages appear on the console which is annoying I think |
| 15:24.05 | hark | massctrl: /etc/sysctl.conf (kernel.printk) |
| 15:24.28 | dwschool | Shodow_7, still no go, i'm having huge problems with this machine since a blackout, apache won't work either seems something is screwy with www |
| 15:24.41 | liable | or -c 2 option in klogd's init script |
| 15:25.02 | liable | or syslogd i dont remember |
| 15:25.02 | massctrl | hark, liable: bad discription of mine, sorry guys, gah need some more caffeine i think,.. |
| 15:25.14 | massctrl | hark, liable: yeah that's it, thanks a lot |
| 15:25.16 | dwschool | when i restart apache2, it says could not reliably get fqdn using 127.0.0.1 for server name |
| 15:25.28 | GoClick | Shadow_7: I need it to work on boot I can't be manualy doing it |
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| 15:26.02 | liable | GoClick: so set it in your interfaces file |
| 15:26.18 | GoClick | liable: I'm not an expert but they both seem to be there |
| 15:26.19 | hark | the c2 thing is not recommended now afaik |
| 15:26.20 | GoClick | They're identical |
| 15:26.26 | liable | instead of using braindead gui tools that ubuntu uses |
| 15:27.04 | helo | is braindead gui the right description? |
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| 15:27.19 | liable | hark: why so? its only setting kernel verbosity levels reaching console |
| 15:27.22 | Shadow_7 | Well, you can't automate it on boot, if you don't know how to get it working manually. |
| 15:27.22 | sam543643 | !dstats etch |
| 15:27.26 | sam543643 | !dstats lenny |
| 15:27.28 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18601 packages, 1728 maintainers, 41697 MB installed size, 13733 MB compressed size. |
| 15:27.29 | helo | a static text file is surely more braindead than an interactive gui |
| 15:27.32 | sam543643 | !dstats sid |
| 15:27.32 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 19858 packages, 1807 maintainers, 45934 MB installed size, 15587 MB compressed size. |
| 15:27.37 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 21296 packages, 1864 maintainers, 50835 MB installed size, 17379 MB compressed size. |
| 15:27.42 | massctrl | dwschool: make sure /etc/hostname contains a value and your /etc/hosts file contains "127.0.0.1 servername localhost", restart apache done |
| 15:27.44 | abrotman | sam543643: msg the bot |
| 15:27.44 | helo | !stats ham |
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| 15:27.52 | helo | err bah |
| 15:27.53 | sam543643 | abrotman sorry |
| 15:27.54 | liable | sam543643: do you mind abusing the bot in private |
| 15:27.55 | delliott | 50GB! |
| 15:27.57 | delliott | Damn. |
| 15:27.57 | abrotman | sam543643: you keep doing that .. try /msg dpkg hi .. or /join #debian-bots |
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| 15:28.41 | GoClick | liable: I'm taling about /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:28.47 | hark | liable: from the readme in /usr/share/doc |
| 15:28.59 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 15:29.07 | jetscreamer | did yo ufind the allow-hotplug bug? |
| 15:29.08 | sam543643 | are maintainers important to ensure a stable distribution? |
| 15:29.10 | drwahl | i have a server that WAS running etch, but i want to upgrade it. i tried changing source to "lenny" then "unstable", but now i am getting an error that "hal" wont configure. any ideas? |
| 15:29.13 | hark | "This behaviour is deprecated and hencely not enforced anymore via the RC script of klogd. Instead sysctl(8) should be used as interface to various kernel variables. These can be stored non-volatile in /etc/sysctl.conf." |
| 15:29.21 | jetscreamer | change allow-hotplug eth0 to auto eth0 if you did |
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| 15:29.48 | jetscreamer | simple fix for something that should never break |
| 15:29.49 | GoClick | jetscreamer: I don't know |
| 15:29.56 | jetscreamer | try it |
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| 15:29.59 | liable | hark: oh, k. /me mends his ways |
| 15:30.03 | jetscreamer | change back if it doesn't help |
| 15:30.03 | GoClick | jetscreamer: where |
| 15:30.08 | CharminTheMoose | anyone know if it's possible to turn my /etc/issue into a bash script? |
| 15:30.09 | jetscreamer | but i don't know if that's your problem |
| 15:30.16 | jetscreamer | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:30.24 | GoClick | auto eth1 |
| 15:30.25 | GoClick | iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 15:30.35 | jetscreamer | ah well |
| 15:30.44 | GoClick | They both are like that (except eth1 being eth0 on the other) |
| 15:30.52 | Shadow_7 | GoClick: so in /etc/network/interfaces you have those entries for both? with different eth# identifiers of course. |
| 15:30.53 | jetscreamer | so where is your allow-hotplug i wonder |
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| 15:31.02 | jetscreamer | the installer always puts that for me now |
| 15:31.25 | GoClick | yeah /etc/network/interfaces has lines for both |
| 15:31.31 | Shadow_7 | GoClick: are the both the same type of card? requiring the same kernel module? |
| 15:31.46 | Noborusan | thanks for helps |
| 15:32.19 | GoClick | Same kind and the mac addresses are only 2 apart even |
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| 15:32.19 | bilss | hi |
| 15:32.19 | Noborusan | hi Shadow_7 ,was you the person said you have 100Mbit ? |
| 15:32.19 | GoClick | I can run dhclient3 and get it an ip |
| 15:32.23 | GoClick | But it's not doing it automaticly |
| 15:32.40 | GoClick | Also why the heck does the "working" one have an ipv6 address? |
| 15:32.40 | liable | GoClick: so read your log and see why |
| 15:32.41 | bilss | almost forgot just installed kde but no sound /audio ? any suggestions |
| 15:32.43 | Noborusan | Shadow_7, maybe wrong person,sorry for the call. |
| 15:32.45 | Shadow_7 | Noborusan: probably not. Although I do have 10/100 ethernet cards |
| 15:32.52 | Noborusan | night all. Thanks for helps. |
| 15:33.01 | Noborusan | Shadow_7, lol :) |
| 15:33.05 | Noborusan | bye. |
| 15:33.51 | Shadow_7 | The best they do is 10MB per second though. Which is lightning fast relative to my wireless that only does 400+KB per second. |
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| 15:34.33 | Shadow_7 | At least when ftp-ing junk off the laptop onto the desktop. |
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| 15:35.05 | Shadow_7 | usb drive and even a usb stick is still faster in most cases. |
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| 15:36.34 | GoClick | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:37.18 | lindenle | does anyone n=knoiw why the "time" man page says it has a -o option but it does not seem to work? |
| 15:37.19 | bilss | if i want to run vmware server after i have installed the base system what else is needed apart fro xorg? |
| 15:37.30 | GoClick | The cordless weedwhacker is like the best lawn and garden invention ever |
| 15:38.36 | Shadow_7 | I live in the country and every so often I have to strip the dirt drive clean so I can find my car without finding a rattler first. |
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| 15:39.16 | irule | I installed a base only etch, then I just installed xorg and icewm, so its a basic setup, I downloaded a softphone and it complains I have nos sound support, is there a sound group I should install? |
| 15:39.16 | dwschool | how can i output command line data to a txt file |
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| 15:39.59 | mutante_ | how could i get all manpages from all stable packages installed on my box without installing all packages. Do you know a place where i can get them all together as one .tar.gz and then i could download and just copy in place? |
| 15:40.06 | Shadow_7 | by tagging on > outputfile.txt |
| 15:40.24 | Shadow_7 | or 2>&1 outputfile.txt to catch stderr and stdout. |
| 15:40.35 | helo | i'm having some trouble configuring exim4 to act as a smarthost for domain somedomain.com, but deliver mail to a local mailbox if it is addressed to particularuser@smarthostlocalname.localdomain... i get errors saying smarthostlocalname.localdomain is unrouteable |
| 15:40.53 | Shadow_7 | or | tee outputfile.txt to catch it and see it on the screen too. |
| 15:41.04 | dwschool | where does it put the file |
| 15:41.41 | dwschool | Kernel IP routing table |
| 15:41.42 | dwschool | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 15:41.42 | dwschool | 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 15:41.42 | dwschool | default 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 15:41.43 | Shadow_7 | where ever outputfile.txt is specified. ./ if a path is not included. And write permissions are available. |
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| 15:42.07 | bilss | dwschool: use pastebin |
| 15:42.33 | dwschool | http://pastebin.ca/627873 |
| 15:42.38 | dwschool | my route information |
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| 15:42.54 | dwschool | does it look ok? |
| 15:43.24 | sbk | what does an "iB" flag (and iBA) in aptitude mean? (from aptitude search package_name | grep '^i') |
| 15:43.52 | Shadow_7 | it looks fairly normal, aside from the 255.255.255.0 netmask, which should probably be 255.255.0.0 with a .0.# ip. |
| 15:44.24 | Shadow_7 | aint windows ICS grand... |
| 15:44.36 | dwschool | my other machine works fine with the same route |
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| 15:45.01 | dwschool | Shadow_7 i am using a debian gateway |
| 15:45.11 | Shadow_7 | dwschool: do you have a unique IP? ifconfig eth0 |
| 15:45.12 | dwschool | squid proxy |
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| 15:45.34 | dwschool | its manually set in the interface file |
| 15:45.42 | dwschool | 192.168.0.14 |
| 15:46.13 | Shadow_7 | but if it's identical to other machines on the same network, it could account for some issues. |
| 15:46.32 | dwschool | there is no other with the same |
| 15:46.35 | dwschool | ip |
| 15:47.14 | Shadow_7 | squid would imply the use of a firewall. Otherwise it makes no sense to run a proxy when everything else is not filtered at all. |
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| 15:47.29 | possum_ | hi caeroo |
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| 15:48.08 | dwschool | i am using squid, i usually have port 80 blocked, but i opened it to try and figure out whats wrong here |
| 15:48.21 | Ceru | any LasT_IdioT come thru here :P? |
| 15:48.41 | abrotman | Ceru: not here now |
| 15:48.54 | Shadow_7 | dwschool: it would help to see the iptables -L && iptables -t nat -L output. pastebin of course. |
| 15:49.39 | Ceru | abrotman: but he/she has been on recently? A LasT_IdioT came to my private network and got pwnt for having an open proxy o.o |
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| 15:50.16 | abrotman | Ceru: /msg nickserv help |
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| 15:51.26 | Ceru | abrotman: why :P? |
| 15:51.30 | Ceru | wanting me to register? |
| 15:51.32 | abrotman | so you can find out yourself |
| 15:51.38 | abrotman | this has nothing to do with Debian |
| 15:51.41 | dwschool | Shodow_7: is it normal that it takes to long to run iptables command |
| 15:51.49 | Ceru | abrotman: pardon? |
| 15:51.55 | Ceru | ah |
| 15:51.58 | Ceru | well |
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| 15:52.09 | Ceru | I traced his name to this channel. |
| 15:52.14 | Ceru | or hers |
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| 15:52.29 | Ceru | I was merely asking a simple question. |
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| 15:52.37 | abrotman | !seen last_idiot |
| 15:52.37 | dpkg | last_idiot <n=lastidio@62.162.195.246> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 412d 15h 32m 2s ago, saying: 'yeah :)'. |
| 15:52.38 | killly0u | abrotman, Well... I Don't Remember Seeing last_idiot :\ |
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| 15:52.45 | abrotman | killly0u: turn it off |
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| 15:55.04 | dwschool | Shadow_7: http://pastebin.ca/627885 iptables-L |
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| 15:56.44 | killly0u | abrotman |
| 15:56.46 | killly0u | what? |
| 15:56.52 | abrotman | !seen killly0u |
| 15:56.52 | dpkg | killly0u is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 6s, last said: 'what?'. |
| 15:56.52 | killly0u | abrotman, Oh Sh*t! You Found Me! |
| 15:57.00 | abrotman | please turn that off |
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| 15:57.10 | killly0u | alright |
| 15:57.20 | dwschool | http://pastebin.ca/627890 iptables -t nat -L |
| 15:57.52 | Shadow_7 | dwschool: you seem to be void of any state NEW rules. |
| 15:58.10 | killly0u | abrotman: try it again for chucklez |
| 15:58.21 | killly0u | it should be ignoring #debian now |
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| 15:59.34 | abrotman | !seen abrotman |
| 15:59.34 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian (4h 39m 55s). Has said a total of 68 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen abrotman'. |
| 15:59.36 | abrotman | killly0u: thank you |
| 15:59.53 | dwschool | Shadow_7: would that effect internet on other computer because all other workstations work fine |
| 16:00.12 | killly0u | n/p |
| 16:00.40 | Shadow_7 | dwschool: you seem to have 3 that have port forwarding enabled. |
| 16:01.01 | dwschool | yes for remote desktop connection |
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| 16:01.47 | Shadow_7 | dwschool: beyond that it looks okay. I suppose you don't need state NEW if you're not running any cross network servers. |
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| 16:02.20 | Shadow_7 | and don't otherwise drop everything not ESTABLISHED, RELATED. |
| 16:02.26 | dwschool | i don't know wtf, this server has been crazy ever since we had a blackout |
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| 16:03.29 | Thorrn4 | hello Im trying to install the new version of kde from the repos and it wants to install so many other programs and DELETE a whole lot of them. http://pastebin.com/m6e466b2e |
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| 16:04.09 | Shadow_7 | dwschool: can you ping yourself? 192.168.0.14? can you ping the router 192.168.0.1? can you ping the internet? |
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| 16:05.11 | Supaplex | Thorrn4: that prompt is important. you're very likely to break something. is this sarge? |
| 16:05.43 | PapaChub_ | Hi, the permissions on my "/dev/null" are 660, not 666 (others, like tty[0-9] are weird, too...) Udev's rules look okay. Has anybody else seen this? |
| 16:05.48 | dwschool | i can ping localhost, gateway but when i type in an internet domain it returns the ip, but no ping reply |
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| 16:06.07 | Thorrn4 | Supaplex, no, I am using Etch with some Lenny reops |
| 16:06.32 | Shadow_7 | dwschool: is the /etc/resolv.conf pointed at the gateway, or an internet based DNS server? |
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| 16:07.00 | PapaChub_ | ... This just started happening, which is weird. |
| 16:07.07 | Supaplex | Thorrn4: a chroot install might be less problematic than comingling branches |
| 16:07.46 | dwschool | Shadow_7 gateway |
| 16:08.02 | Thorrn4 | Supaplex, I dont understand what you mean by chroot |
| 16:08.07 | Shadow_7 | if you change it to an internet one, does it still function? |
| 16:08.32 | Shadow_7 | So far it appears that the problem is on the gateway. |
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| 16:08.52 | Supaplex | Thorrn4: lenny isn't stable. if you're not prepared to manage it, you should stay with etch. |
| 16:08.58 | PapaChub_ | dwschool, Do you have a default route? |
| 16:09.03 | dwschool | yes, it returns the ip faster, but still no ping |
| 16:09.11 | dwschool | yes |
| 16:09.15 | Supaplex | !tell Thorrn4 -about chroot install |
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| 16:10.12 | Supaplex | Thorrn4: I suggest you comment out lenny sources, and consider what dpkg has to say about chroot installs. if lenny breaks there, the heartache is far less than what you're doing now. |
| 16:10.14 | fasta | Can one play wmv streams on Debian Unstable? Note mozilla-mplayer is a plugin that often doesn't find the correct URL and thus fails to play. I want a plugin that when a website is visited with an embedded Windows Media Video, it is played without user-interaction from me. |
| 16:10.38 | dwschool | what should the nameserver on the gateway but? |
| 16:10.40 | dwschool | be? |
| 16:11.00 | jelly | dwschool: the one your isp gave you |
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| 16:11.37 | valdyn | fasta: doesnt make sense what you are saying |
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| 16:11.53 | fasta | valdyn: how does it not make sense? |
| 16:12.06 | valdyn | fasta: 'doesn't find the correct URL' does not make sense |
| 16:12.28 | jelly | valdyn: mplayer is not very good af figuring out playlists |
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| 16:12.39 | fasta | valdyn: it makes sense to jelly |
| 16:12.45 | jetscreamer | xine-ui is good about it |
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| 16:12.54 | valdyn | far as i know, mplayer doesnt read .pls files at all |
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| 16:13.11 | dwschool | still nothing |
| 16:13.13 | fasta | jetscreamer: what package do I need for that to work in my browser? |
| 16:13.18 | |dennis| | Question: As per bug 418344, the problem of CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_MULTIPATH_CACHED being set to y has been taken care of and the bug has been closed, how ever i have updated many of my systems and still find that option is enabled in etch with now kernel version 2.6.18-4, is there any particular reason why? |
| 16:13.22 | jelly | valdyn: .asx (and other) are playlists too, and they are often embedded in web pages |
| 16:13.59 | abrotman | fasta: i can |
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| 16:14.07 | jelly | fasta: I don't have your problem, my browser of choice doesn't work with mplayerplug-in at all :-) |
| 16:14.25 | valdyn | fasta: mplayer and totem dont do this. I would try vlc |
| 16:14.42 | fasta | valdyn: I just want it to work in the browser. |
| 16:14.44 | valdyn | fasta: mind, the entire thing is totally unrelated to wmv |
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| 16:14.59 | valdyn | fasta: sure, there's plugins of each player |
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| 16:15.14 | fasta | valdyn: I never saw one for vlc, but I will look |
| 16:15.32 | valdyn | mozilla-plugin-vlc - multimedia plugin for web browsers based on VLC |
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| 16:15.56 | jetscreamer | fasta: there is a xine plugin if you mean a plugin for the browser |
| 16:15.58 | Thorrn4 | Supaplex, the website that was given didnt have any information on chroot installs |
| 16:16.06 | fasta | Ok, now, installing vlc |
| 16:16.12 | Supaplex | Thorrn4: did it mention debootstrap? |
| 16:16.15 | fasta | (plugin) |
| 16:16.16 | Supaplex | !debootstrap |
| 16:16.16 | dpkg | [debootstrap] <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 16:16.48 | jelly | how to make vmware console output alsa sound on lenny/sid? |
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| 16:17.32 | Thorrn4 | Supaplex, I dont understand what it is telling me |
| 16:17.52 | fasta | Great, the vlc plugin crashed Iceweasel |
| 16:18.05 | abrotman | fasta: maybe you should stop trying to support that horrible format! :) |
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| 16:18.28 | valdyn | abrotman: its really about playlists, hes saying it seems |
| 16:18.29 | fasta | abrotman: the public national news system uses it |
| 16:18.40 | fasta | abrotman: I can't help that, can I? |
| 16:18.44 | valdyn | fasta: bbc? |
| 16:18.53 | fasta | valdyn: no, nos.nl |
| 16:19.00 | abrotman | fasta: sue the gov't for an open format! |
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| 16:19.23 | jelly | abrotman: done that |
| 16:19.40 | fasta | abrotman: I am not sure whether that would work and obviously I have other things to do. |
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| 16:19.53 | valdyn | fsf is doing the lobby work.. |
| 16:20.13 | jelly | fsfe for .nl, probably |
| 16:20.14 | valdyn | fasta: last chance is probably the xine plugin |
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| 16:20.55 | fasta | valdyn: If I have all those plugins installed, how do I select which one to use in your browser of choice? |
| 16:20.57 | abrotman | fasta: on my box .. it just pops up totem and goes |
| 16:21.03 | abrotman | (i don't use the in browser one) |
| 16:21.07 | fasta | abrotman: for wmv? |
| 16:21.18 | valdyn | fasta: i dont know. alternatives probably |
| 16:21.18 | fasta | abrotman: my totem says it doesn't do wmv |
| 16:21.31 | valdyn | fasta: totem-gstreamer probablyt wont do wmv |
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| 16:21.39 | valdyn | fasta: but wmv is a container, not a formwat |
| 16:21.51 | jelly | ah! To make LD_PRELOAD work with a setuid app, the library needs to be setuid as well. |
| 16:22.14 | fasta | valdyn: when I mean "wmv" I mean something MS that doesn't work on my system now. |
| 16:23.02 | valdyn | fasta: there's totem-gstreamer and totem-xine, only the 2nd supports w32codecs as far as i know |
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| 16:23.24 | dwschool | how do i set my server to listen on ipv4 only? |
| 16:23.28 | fasta | valdyn: ok, I will try those too. |
| 16:23.32 | Muisje | Funny, fasta got kicked from -nl :) |
| 16:23.37 | fasta | valdyn: after that I did an exhaustive search |
| 16:24.04 | valdyn | fasta: not much point though probably - totem isnt working for me ( on our public tvs site ) |
| 16:24.12 | valdyn | fasta: same 'wmv' i guess |
| 16:24.49 | valdyn | fasta: additionaly there may be DRM issues that you have no way of solving, afaik |
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| 16:25.15 | Muisje | try wine, or see if they also have realplayer streams, i believe you can view those on linux. |
| 16:25.44 | Thorrn4 | Supaplex, could you look through the list for me b/c from what I can see, the programs that are being installed for the most part replace those being removed http://pastebin.com/m6e466b2e |
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| 16:28.47 | helo | test for a file with if [ -f filelocation ]... how do i do the converse? (if file doesn't exist, do...) |
| 16:28.48 | fasta | It appears the colors on Xine are completely shifted |
| 16:28.51 | jelly | omg ldd is a shell script |
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| 16:29.56 | jetscreamer | !worship gravity |
| 16:30.10 | Mauna_Loa_ | hi. I'm running debian lenny, and, since last couple of automatically updates, I'm no longer able to login as another user without logging out. I'm only able to login as another user if I first logout of the current user! I'm talking about logging in and logging out on gnome. can anyone please help me? |
| 16:30.25 | hark | fasta: url? |
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| 16:31.01 | helo | if [ ! -f filelocation ] .... |
| 16:31.07 | fasta | hark: http://www.nos.nl/nos/voorpagina/, pick any stream under "Audio and video" |
| 16:31.54 | fasta | So, the situation is: mplayer doesn't work, because of playlists, vlc crashes Firefox after a few seconds and xine has shifted colors. |
| 16:32.49 | fasta | And then they say *nix has no media support problem... |
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| 16:34.03 | hark | plays fine here :) |
| 16:34.05 | jdhore | Hi, I'm running Lenny and i'm wondering, what's with all the upgrades to the C packages that conflict with a lot of m packages that end with -dev? |
| 16:34.17 | fasta | hark: with what software exactly? |
| 16:34.21 | Thorrn4 | is there a way to update Debian 4 to have the latest packages? |
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| 16:34.59 | hark | fasta: totem-xine |
| 16:35.17 | fasta | hark: I was using the other xine |
| 16:35.53 | helo | Thorrn4: if you wait long enough, there will be a new release and you can install that over debian 4 |
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| 16:36.27 | Thorrn4 | helo, there is no way to do it myself? Is it apt-get upgrade? |
| 16:36.36 | jelly | Thorrn4: new versions of selected packages can sometimes be found at backports.org |
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| 16:37.02 | hark | fasta: mplayer plays it as well (didn't try the browser plugin with it though, just mms://cachemedia.omroep.nl/bongo03/0/nos/nieuws/2007/juli/video/20070720/mink.wmv) |
| 16:37.03 | xittum | Thorrn4: /msg dpkg sid - and maybe also msg dist-upgrade |
| 16:37.16 | fasta | hark: I knew that already |
| 16:37.23 | jelly | Thorrn4: you can also use the testing release of debian, but then you won't have debian 4.0 any more and you'll have much less support here |
| 16:37.34 | fasta | hark: but the idea is that I don't need to manually strip the URL from the playlist |
| 16:37.46 | fasta | hark: that's pretty ridiculous, imho. |
| 16:38.05 | hark | so don't? |
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| 16:38.45 | fasta | hark: what do you mean? |
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| 16:38.59 | jelly | fasta: I agree it is ridiculous, but the correct way would be to implement a parser in the plugin source yourself. :-| |
| 16:39.22 | hark | like, for example the totem-xine browser plugin plays it fine |
| 16:39.35 | fasta | hark: yes, I will install that one now. |
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| 16:40.42 | jelly | fasta: since it's a freely available media source (and therefore reproducible), it would be nice if you filed bugs |
| 16:41.13 | hark | wait for silverlight, all online video issues will be over ;) |
| 16:41.25 | jelly | !silverlight |
| 16:41.48 | fasta | jelly: I filed God knows how many bugs already, but almost nothing got fixed, except for a compiler project, where I am being taken seriously. |
| 16:42.00 | jelly | hark: what is it, in context of Debian? |
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| 16:42.47 | fasta | YouTube is the only party that has software that works, AFAIK. |
| 16:42.55 | jelly | fasta: such is free software, since it's not really interesting to fix bugs, you have lots of half-finished crap around |
| 16:43.02 | fasta | jelly: right |
| 16:43.11 | hark | jelly: j/k, the MS flash alternative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverlight) :) |
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| 16:43.26 | fasta | jelly: There needs to be a micropayment system. |
| 16:43.34 | fasta | jelly: a good economy. |
| 16:44.21 | jelly | micropayments don't work ;-) |
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| 16:44.28 | dererk | Hi there! |
| 16:44.34 | jelly | fasta: bounties sometimes do |
| 16:44.49 | fasta | Canonical is currently fixing some of the boring stuff. |
| 16:44.54 | fasta | But that won't last forever. |
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| 16:45.26 | jelly | fasta: I wonder about their business model :-) |
| 16:45.30 | fasta | jelly: right |
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| 16:45.49 | fasta | Open-source and business don't work |
| 16:45.53 | dererk | Do you know a program/utility scriptable I could use to get cpu&mem usage of a process that generate threads? |
| 16:46.12 | fasta | Ok, I meant "good open-source software and business don' |
| 16:46.15 | fasta | t work" |
| 16:46.28 | fasta | If it's good, it doesn't need "support". |
| 16:46.40 | ampex2 | what's the difference in top between buffers and cache? |
| 16:47.14 | jelly | fasta: someone always needs to make it work first |
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| 16:47.32 | Mtraker | Hi |
| 16:47.56 | Mtraker | Is it possible runing pressure wacom with XGL? |
| 16:48.26 | poopermaster | Mtraker: those seem like two completely separate things? |
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| 16:49.26 | jelly | poopermaster: he wants his funny input device to work with XGL, presumably it doesn't by default, then? |
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| 16:49.50 | jelly | ... is XGL even supported in Debian? |
| 16:49.54 | kb2jaq | anyone well versed in the cdrw / cdrkit ? cdrecord |
| 16:50.08 | Mtraker | I like compiz exposé |
| 16:50.10 | jelly | kb2jaq: try asking your real question |
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| 16:50.49 | Mtraker | i want pressure and exposé. Is it possible? |
| 16:51.02 | kb2jaq | looking to use a cdrw to backup files every so often... is it better to make an iso of the dir write it... each time erasing? or keep writing till full ? then what? |
| 16:51.21 | kb2jaq | the backup directory shouldnt be more than a few megs |
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| 16:52.28 | zcram | tar it up and use udf on the rw |
| 16:53.01 | gangsterlicious | on NFS can i use user account level restrictions (/etc/exports) or it's IP only? |
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| 16:53.56 | dererk | gangsterlicious, just IP numers |
| 16:54.15 | fasta | hark: The same color shift problem occurs with the totem-mozilla plugin. It only works when I fully load it in totem-xine. |
| 16:54.24 | dererk | Do you know a program/utility scriptable I could use to get cpu&mem usage of a process that generate threads? |
| 16:54.26 | fasta | hark: but that's an acceptable solution |
| 16:54.33 | gangsterlicious | k, sounds good. thanks |
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| 16:55.02 | dwschool | i can't get a ping reply from hosts outside my lan, i get the ip, but i cannot get a ping reply |
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| 16:56.01 | dererk | dwschool, maybe the FW is filtering them |
| 16:56.07 | kb2jaq | zcram: thanks, any easy way to check for remaining capacity and start writing at the beginning again? |
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| 16:56.42 | dwschool | i have everything on accept |
| 16:56.56 | dererk | dwschool, I meant not yours |
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| 16:59.28 | roby | How do copy file /foo/bar/joe.txt to /this/home/foo/bar/joe.txt (but /this/home is an empty dir) |
| 16:59.39 | roby | in essence, i want to keep the directory part |
| 16:59.43 | solitude| | cp ? |
| 16:59.49 | roby | but i want to keep the directory part |
| 16:59.49 | solitude| | Ah. |
| 17:00.05 | xingu | beer o'clock! |
| 17:00.13 | roby | cus i'm going to do a find for bunch of files from cwd |
| 17:00.29 | roby | i need to copy all found files using -exec to a target dir (but preserve sub dirs to avoid files overwritting each other) |
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| 17:01.23 | evilgourmet | hello, does anyone know what /dev is the pcspkr so I can have my softphone ringout to it? |
| 17:01.24 | keith4 | roby: mkdir -p |
| 17:01.35 | keith4 | if the parent dirs don't exist |
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| 17:02.20 | chops | roby:mkdir -p /this/home/$x && rmdir /this/home/$x; cp /this/home/$x |
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| 17:02.38 | chops | roby: Where $x in this case is foo/bar/joe.txt |
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| 17:02.46 | chops | roby: Whoops, "cp $x /this/home/$x" instead |
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| 17:03.02 | evilgourmet | Hello, I am looking to have my softphone ring out to the pc speaker, does anyone know where i should send the ring tone? |
| 17:03.09 | bliss | hi |
| 17:03.23 | roby | chops: so i have to do a mini shell script i guess |
| 17:03.31 | bliss | would someone explain what is ment by static DNS |
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| 17:03.40 | roby | keith4: thanks, but it's several fiels i need to do one one shot |
| 17:03.49 | keith4 | evilgourmet: fwiw, when i load the 'pcspkr' module, dmesg says: input: PC Speaker as /class/input/input3 |
| 17:03.55 | xingu | evilgourmet: if you're looking for pcm audio from the pc speaker, I don't think that patch was ever merged |
| 17:04.35 | xingu | evilgourmet: in the linus kernel, it plugs into the event framework and is a simple tone beeper |
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| 17:05.06 | evilgourmet | ok, I send to /dev/tty and /dev/console and get it through my headset |
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| 17:05.16 | gryfel | where stores mysql(4) under sarge it's databases ? |
| 17:05.22 | gryfel | hi |
| 17:05.31 | xingu | evilgourmet: http://www.geocities.com/stssppnn/pcsp.html |
| 17:05.42 | Shadow_7 | bliss: you can put names to ip's statically in /etc/hosts |
| 17:05.48 | xingu | evilgourmet: it's pretty revolting though and I wouldn't use it on a system that had a real purpose in life |
| 17:06.02 | xingu | evilgourmet: I bet it seriously fubars worst case latency for example. |
| 17:07.26 | chops | gryfel: dpkg -L mysql-server (or whatever the package is) |
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| 17:08.13 | asdzxc | hi |
| 17:08.17 | asdzxc | how can i ignore security alerts from logcheck ? |
| 17:08.31 | asdzxc | Debian Sarge |
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| 17:10.03 | evilgourmet | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.08 | bliss | Shadow_7: i was just wondering since i have a ip address that is dhcp there is DynDns that offer startiv DNS |
| 17:10.54 | xingu | evilgourmet: mmm; the same code has been shuffled about since the good old magic mushroom demo for msdos way back when. |
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| 17:11.41 | setuid | What is causing this? |
| 17:11.43 | setuid | dpkg: error processing xfonts-base_1%3a1.0.0-4_all.deb (--install): |
| 17:11.43 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 17:11.45 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.47 | setuid | And why the './' in front? |
| 17:11.57 | setuid | dpkg, shush, that is the whole error |
| 17:11.58 | dpkg | setuid: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 17:12.59 | z | hey |
| 17:13.04 | jelly | setuid: dpkg can be confused if there are symlinks where it expects directories |
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| 17:13.30 | setuid | Here's another: http://rafb.net/p/vGGzO044.html |
| 17:13.34 | setuid | Something is messed up |
| 17:13.38 | setuid | this is a clean install |
| 17:13.45 | xingu | evilgourmet: http://www.crossfire-designs.de/download/articles/soundcards/speaker_mushroom_speaker.mp3 :) aah, the memories |
| 17:14.14 | setuid | jelly, No symlinks at all |
| 17:15.00 | setuid | So how do I force removal of artwiz cursor? |
| 17:15.06 | setuid | dpkg --force-depends doesn't help |
| 17:15.19 | hark | setuid: it's a diversion |
| 17:15.21 | tsocks | Azar: hello |
| 17:15.24 | jelly | setuid: artwiz-cursor breakage is already reported as #341397 |
| 17:15.32 | setuid | And anything with emacs is a nightmare, I need to force-purge all of that |
| 17:15.43 | jelly | setuid: use teh BTS, Luke! |
| 17:15.45 | Shadow_7 | dpkg --purge --force-all <package> |
| 17:15.46 | setuid | hark, And that means what? That I can't remove it, so it breaks every time? |
| 17:16.02 | hark | the bts explains how, you're running sid after all. |
| 17:16.04 | setuid | Shadow_7, Nope, same error |
| 17:16.06 | wols | setuid: it means you shouldn't have asked us |
| 17:16.34 | abrotman | fasta: my totem does .. but i have the win32codecs |
| 17:17.00 | fasta | abrotman: my totem does too, but I had gstreamer when I made that statement |
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| 17:17.38 | Shadow_7 | setuid: sounds like a bad package. perhaps installing some other non-bad package will correct it. |
| 17:17.45 | jelly | setuid: to use unstable, you need to be proficient with BTS and working around such breakage. I'd remove the diversion by hand, remove dpkg-divert stuff from the install scripts, and purge the package afterwards |
| 17:18.02 | evilgourmet | thank you XINGU |
| 17:18.07 | wols | setuid: and most important of all: install etch! |
| 17:18.23 | grendal_prime | hey when i explode this string, it of course eats the exploding delimiter...is there a switch that leaves the delimiter there or do i have to add it back manually (cause thats how i have been doing it) |
| 17:18.38 | setuid | wols, This is a KNOPPIX Debian remaster, so I'm using whatever it supplies |
| 17:18.38 | Shadow_7 | setuid: otherwise you could hack /var/lib/dpkg/ stuffs to tell the OS it's not installed. |
| 17:18.46 | jelly | Shadow_7: yuck |
| 17:18.52 | wols | setuid: then oyu are in the wrong channel. we do not support knoppix |
| 17:18.58 | wols | ask #knoppix |
| 17:19.23 | wols | grendal_prime: does this look like #php to you? |
| 17:19.31 | grendal_prime | oops |
| 17:19.32 | grendal_prime | sorry |
| 17:19.35 | jelly | Shadow_7: I muchly prefer hacking /v/l/d/i/package.p* to hacking /v/l/d/status |
| 17:19.38 | grendal_prime | wrong channel hehehe |
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| 17:19.56 | z | hey |
| 17:20.22 | dwschool | for some reason i cannot acces the internet via terminal from my machine |
| 17:20.50 | wols | dwschool: for some reason we need abetter error description than that |
| 17:21.16 | fasta | abrotman: In Totem the colors are shifted. |
| 17:22.06 | jelly | xingu: now I wonder how does a guitar sound when played underwater |
| 17:22.20 | dwschool | i can ping eveything on my network, i can ping google.com, i get an ip but no reply, when i try apt-get i cannot get it to find anything, it just sits there... waiting for headers |
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| 17:22.29 | abrotman | fasta: uhm .. might be a video problem .. dunno |
| 17:22.36 | fasta | abrotman: it looks like I miss the red channel |
| 17:22.47 | fasta | abrotman: but it's application dependent |
| 17:22.48 | abrotman | fasta: commie bastards anyways .. you don't need it! |
| 17:22.53 | jelly | dwschool: that means you _can't_ ping google.com |
| 17:22.55 | fasta | abrotman: Kaffeine did work |
| 17:23.01 | xingu | jelly: air guitar sounds the same, just more largo |
| 17:23.03 | abrotman | fasta: that's also xine based .. but whatever |
| 17:23.08 | fasta | abrotman: but there the controls for brightness didn't work |
| 17:23.16 | fasta | abrotman: nothing Just Works |
| 17:23.20 | abrotman | fasta: guess you can't have it all :) |
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| 17:23.33 | dwschool | so i can't ping it from my gateway either |
| 17:23.41 | abrotman | maybe your ISP blocks ping |
| 17:24.04 | jelly | dwschool: does The Internet work on your gateway? |
| 17:24.08 | fasta | abrotman: no, a sane terminal, a sane programming environment and a sane browsing experience is a pick any 3 choice... |
| 17:24.38 | dwschool | internet works everywhere |
| 17:24.52 | dwschool | on my lan accept the one i'm trying to apt-get on |
| 17:25.14 | xingu | perhaps you need a proxy of some description |
| 17:25.18 | xingu | http, or socks, maybe. |
| 17:25.35 | xingu | perhaps you should ask your nearest responsible adult? |
| 17:25.39 | valdyn | 19:23 < dwschool> so i can't ping it from my gateway either |
| 17:25.45 | dwschool | i'm using direct access, i have it open becausei'm trying to figure out my problem |
| 17:25.48 | valdyn | dwschool: ^^^^ what is 'it' ? |
| 17:25.54 | dwschool | google.ca |
| 17:26.28 | jelly | dwschool: can you access http://google.ca from the gateway machine? |
| 17:26.36 | dwschool | yes |
| 17:26.41 | ponyofdeath | hi, i am trying to sync up to directories over an ssh tunnel |
| 17:26.53 | jelly | dwschool: ok, so it probably means that ping is blocked |
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| 17:27.30 | ponyofdeath | hi, i am trying to sync up to directories over an ssh tunnel the directories contain around 12 sub directories with lots of files under each what is the best way to sync up the two? |
| 17:27.37 | dwschool | ftp.us.debian.org should work for apt |
| 17:27.39 | dwschool | right? |
| 17:27.45 | valdyn | ponyofdeath: read the rsync manpage |
| 17:28.03 | ponyofdeath | valdyn: using rsync right now but its going really slow |
| 17:28.37 | valdyn | ponyofdeath: rsync is not particulariyl slow |
| 17:28.43 | ponyofdeath | valdyn: rsync -rl util1::imagesfs/thumb/$i ./ |
| 17:28.56 | daniele_982 | hello all i've install debian/sid but i've the busybox /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off i've seen fstab and menu.lst but it's ok according to you what's the problem and the solution? |
| 17:29.09 | ponyofdeath | valdyn: does it trasfer all files or just ones not in both dirs |
| 17:29.28 | ponyofdeath | valdyn: i mean not files not found in dest dir |
| 17:30.54 | valdyn | ponyofdeath: by default only files that have at leaste a different timestamp. But im sure that's in the manpage too |
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| 17:31.15 | jelly | ponyofdeath: if the files are compressible, try using some compression options (-z). I also find adding a progress meter (-P) to be helpful. Like valdyn says, RTFM. |
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| 17:31.21 | daniele_982 | according to me the problem is the new kernel but i've not te solution |
| 17:31.50 | ponyofdeath | valdyn,jelly how can i make it not re-download files with same now |
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| 17:32.00 | ponyofdeath | name* sorry |
| 17:32.24 | setuid | yeah, I can't remove/purge/force-remove/etc. artwiz-cursor, it refuses to budge |
| 17:32.31 | setuid | I'll have to force-edit the package database |
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| 17:32.34 | setuid | Shadow_7, Which file is that again? |
| 17:33.01 | jelly | ponyofdeath: rsync is good at figuring out which files need not be transferred again |
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| 17:33.46 | daniele_982 | no solve? |
| 17:34.00 | setuid | looks like /var/lib/dpkg/info/pkg-config.list |
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| 17:34.32 | jelly | !bless setuid |
| 17:34.32 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child setuid, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 17:34.39 | somian[0] | Hi Debianista folk. Anyone know how I can change the metric on an interface that's being managed by ifup/down? Under /etc/interfaces I don't find any file that mentions 'metric' or 'route'. |
| 17:34.52 | setuid | jelly, I know what I'm doing here... been doing Debian for 9+ years |
| 17:35.11 | setuid | hrm, that's not the package db though |
| 17:35.14 | jelly | setuid: you don't seem to know there the package db is, however |
| 17:35.25 | setuid | Nope, I've never monkeyed with it directly |
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| 17:35.30 | setuid | Usually "Debian Just Works(tm)" |
| 17:35.49 | xingu | somian[0]: you have a setup where the interface metric is actually worth a damn? |
| 17:36.21 | jelly | setuid: I'd rather delete just enough stuff from artwiz-cursor scripts to make it removable. |
| 17:36.21 | somian[0] | xingu: yup |
| 17:36.21 | xingu | somian[0]: I'm curious... |
| 17:36.35 | somian[0] | And I want answers :-) |
| 17:36.51 | jelly | setuid: if I may repeat myself, I'd remove the diversion by hand, remove dpkg-divert stuff from the install scripts, and purge the package afterwards |
| 17:36.52 | setuid | jelly, That requires unpacking the deb, editing, repacking the deb, breaking the signature and force-installing it in order to force-remove it |
| 17:36.58 | jelly | setuid: nope |
| 17:37.01 | setuid | dpkg-divert does not fix it |
| 17:37.24 | wols | xingu: just so I'm clear, the "Metric" is the TTL right? |
| 17:37.27 | jelly | setuid: hint: /var/lib/dpkg/artwiz-cursor.p* |
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| 17:37.39 | xingu | wols: nope; it's the weight/cost. |
| 17:37.43 | wols | or prefered routing interface |
| 17:37.45 | wols | ah yeah that |
| 17:37.50 | jelly | setuid: make that dir /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 17:37.59 | sobersabre | hi. is it possible to extract the audio stream out of an ogg video with VLC player ? |
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| 17:38.21 | xingu | wols: has been long since laughed out of existence in most topologies/ designs, hence my curiosity |
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| 17:38.40 | wols | xingu: what about multihomed networks? |
| 17:38.43 | catlee | Why do the linux-kbuild packages always lag behind the linux-image/headers packages? |
| 17:38.46 | wols | or lad balancing? |
| 17:39.06 | xingu | wols: I *think* some routed's use it to cost recieved routes |
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| 17:40.02 | fasta | catlee: because the developers have too little motivation. |
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| 17:40.22 | xingu | wols: policy based routing is usually what people mean when they're talking about controlling the exit interface and there's better ways of doing that since alexy's stuff (iproute2) got merged yonks back. |
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| 17:40.51 | catlee | fasta: that's depressing :) |
| 17:40.57 | xingu | wols: interface metric is mostly a bogon left over from the bsd network api's these days |
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| 17:41.28 | xingu | wols: you could probably have the api answer "1" and lose the network device support completely without casualties |
| 17:41.40 | jelly | xingu: there's also the fact that you can have two interfaces with default routes and same metric in linux ;-) |
| 17:42.13 | xingu | jelly: sure, some of the manifold windows stacks support the same thing |
| 17:42.34 | xingu | jelly: one of them uses it for dead-peer-detection and will actually eliminate any set members that don't respond to arp |
| 17:42.40 | jelly | xingu: yeah, but here it's more like a bug than a feature |
| 17:43.06 | Shadow_7 | setuid: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/... and /var/lib/dpkg/available (I think) |
| 17:43.32 | jelly | xingu: ie. easy to shoot yourself in foot w/ two gateway lines in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:43.33 | Shadow_7 | setuid: you might have to redo an apt-get update and such to remerge the deleted entry into your available list. |
| 17:43.35 | setuid | I managed to chop enough out of postrm to fix it |
| 17:44.34 | Shadow_7 | I only know about it because I had /var/lib/dpkg/available end up in /lost+found after a crash during an update. |
| 17:44.47 | jelly | setuid: yah, that's the way to deal with such crap |
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| 17:45.32 | jelly | setuid: ... it's only been broken since 2005, give Debian some time to fix it ;-) |
| 17:45.49 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 17:45.51 | xingu | jelly: default routes are an abomination anyway ;) |
| 17:45.57 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 17:46.20 | Swat2 | anyone able to help with perl cgi scripts giving me: "Premature end of script headers" errors even when the first 2 lines are printing the headers etc.. i have a funny feeling the mod_perl somehow isnt working w/ apache2 or i've missed something :( |
| 17:46.44 | chops | Swat2: Checked the apache error log? |
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| 17:46.54 | xingu | jelly: there's nothing special about configuring multiple default routes; it's just the shortest-length prefix you can configure |
| 17:46.55 | irule | how can I change the time? I already used ztconfig and the time is way off :s |
| 17:47.01 | Swat2 | chops: yah thats the error it gives me :( |
| 17:47.09 | irule | I mean tzconfig |
| 17:47.18 | jelly | xingu: um, having a 0.0.0.0/0 route is still nicer than holdin the complete routing table |
| 17:47.31 | xingu | jelly: equal cost routing is indeed a feature; just because *tcp* loses its nana on such a construct is neither here nor there |
| 17:47.38 | xingu | jelly: bah and double bah. |
| 17:47.50 | fasta | Checking > 10K spam mails is a slow operation too (spamd) It takes hours already. |
| 17:47.58 | jelly | xingu: I happen to use tcp a bit, though |
| 17:48.09 | xingu | jelly: having a 0/0 route install means that it takes forever to discover that a given destination prefix is unreachable. |
| 17:48.46 | xingu | jelly: whereas end to end RIB redistribution/ FIB population gets you there in nanoseconds |
| 17:48.48 | chops | xingu: Care to paste your "route -n"? |
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| 17:49.11 | chops | xingu: I want to see if you have one of these abominations on _your_ system right now, and if not how you're doing it :-) |
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| 17:49.46 | jelly | xingu: eh, the Cisco boxes hold the routing table here (but they're still stupid enough not to tell me a network is unreachable) |
| 17:49.52 | mmlj4 | i'm trying to set the sticky bit, but it's not seeming to work like I want: # chmod 2770 /home/smbcommon (as root): drwxrws--- 5 root users 4.0K 2007-07-20 11:39 smbcommon , but $ touch file and $ mkdir newdir gives me -rw-r--r-- 1 jkelly users 0 2007-07-20 11:39 file and drwxr-sr-x 2 jkelly users 4.0K 2007-07-20 11:39 newdir.... what I want is for every file and directory created in that directory to be group-writeable (and owned |
| 17:49.53 | mmlj4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.03 | xingu | chops: I'm not going to flood the channel, and quagga :) |
| 17:50.21 | helo | anyone care to paste the New Testament? |
| 17:50.30 | mmlj4 | all of it? |
| 17:50.43 | jelly | helo: project gutenberg is that way --> |
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| 17:51.10 | chops | xingu: pastebin was what I meant |
| 17:51.30 | unmanarc | i have some problem... i´ installed debian etch from debootstrap on a chroot, and later i used aptitude install postgresql-8.1. |
| 17:51.38 | chops | xingu: _Do_ you have a 0.0.0.0/0 route right now? |
| 17:51.43 | jelly | helo: and the routing table probably has just a couple tens of thousands lines |
| 17:52.01 | unmanarc | then, postgresql-8.1 dont make any files on /etc/postgresql |
| 17:52.33 | xingu | chops: yep, time to fess up. :) |
| 17:52.37 | xingu | chops: but it's still wrong. |
| 17:52.46 | chops | xingu: Well, you better remove it then. |
| 17:53.07 | helo | how do you process stdin in a bash script? (procmail pipe) |
| 17:53.08 | xingu | chops: my inet6 stuff is discovered though |
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| 17:53.30 | xingu | chops: and that's simpler still; ra announcements etc. |
| 17:53.48 | helo | or do you just have to redirect stdin to a file, and then process the file? |
| 17:53.52 | jelly | helo: #bash is over there too... while read line; do something with $line; done |
| 17:54.07 | helo | ahh |
| 17:54.28 | jelly | helo: the variable need not be named line :-) |
| 17:54.40 | xingu | chops: and yes, as I shift the last of these systems to ipv4, not only will the 0/0 routes go, but also the whole ipv4 stack will follow it. |
| 17:54.58 | xingu | s/to ipv4/off ipv4/ |
| 17:55.03 | chops | xingu: Are you speaking IPv6 to this IRC server right now? |
| 17:55.09 | xingu | chops: yes |
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| 17:55.36 | jelly | chops: lookit his whois! |
| 17:55.53 | Danielss89 | hi, ive got a very large mysql dump in gzip format... can i somehow extract a single table?? |
| 17:56.10 | Danielss89 | or create a new file with that input? |
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| 17:56.15 | jelly | xingu: so how are you going to access the rest of the internets? |
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| 17:58.18 | xingu | jelly: pragmatically, same way I have been for the last year+; all of my off-net traffic is proxied, and the proxy is dual stacked. |
| 17:58.42 | jelly | Danielss89: zcat foo.gz| awk '/some regexp that matches beginning line/,/ending line/' |
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| 17:59.10 | Danielss89 | jelly can i copy that output to a new dile? |
| 17:59.13 | Danielss89 | file* |
| 17:59.20 | chops | xingu: Hm... I'm still half-convinced that you're just showing off your IPv6 stack and talking bollocks. Why is discovering individual global routes better than having a default route again? |
| 17:59.24 | jelly | Danielss89: sure, just redirect the output |
| 17:59.30 | Marupa | all right...Still no resolution to my hal problem, if anyone's willing to pick up where the last person left off. |
| 17:59.30 | Supaplex | Danielss89: awk ... > file.sql |
| 17:59.49 | chops | xingu: (Or if I've misunderstood what you're doing for global routes in IPv6, what it is that you're doing?) |
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| 18:00.24 | jelly | chops: because you don't have to wait for someone else to tell you a network is unreachable? |
| 18:01.01 | Marupa | what seems to be happening is hal loads partway, then shuts off for no visible reason, so I cannot finish installing gnome. |
| 18:01.13 | xingu | chops: you're right, it's not ideal, the ideal state is pulling down a RIB and redistributing it; but you're talking to me now, and I'm at home, and at home I don't have a peering agreement. |
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| 18:01.31 | chops | jelly: Unless you duplicate the nearest edge router's whole table at your machine, you have to do that anyway (when you attempt to discover the route from the edge router and fail)... right? |
| 18:01.32 | jelly | xingu: how does quagga compare to closed source solutions? |
| 18:01.39 | Danielss89 | im not so good at regex.. bu i need to get every line with "hp_post" in it |
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| 18:01.46 | xingu | chops: at least discovering routers, with RA, is a small gain over nailing up a gateway. |
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| 18:02.22 | jelly | Danielss89: then do just ...| awk '/hp_post' |
| 18:02.23 | chops | xingu: Nor do most people. It sounds like you want to be an edge router instead of an end user... which is fine, but it doesn't mean that optimizing an end-user's network stack for his/her configuration is wrong. |
| 18:02.34 | jelly | Danielss89: er, ...| awk '/hp_post/' |
| 18:02.38 | chops | xingu: I'm trying to get at what the advantage of doing it that way is... |
| 18:02.49 | Danielss89 | and that takes every line? |
| 18:03.13 | unmanarc_ | disconnection... |
| 18:03.18 | jelly | chops: he is the nearest edge router afaict |
| 18:03.18 | chops | xingu: Where 99% of the network endpoints in the world only use a single gateway to connect to every other machine in the world, it seems to make sense to make that an easy configuration, and I don't see it as an abomination... |
| 18:03.21 | xingu | chops: it allows the RIB to signal to the upper layer protocols that a given prefix is now unreachable so that they do not spend forever waiting to discover that. |
| 18:03.29 | unmanarc_ | i have some problem... i´ installed debian etch from debootstrap on a chroot, and later i used aptitude install postgresql-8.1. and /etc/init.d/postgresql (specific /usr/share/postgresql-common/init.d-functions) requires /etc/postgresql/8.1 ([ -d "/etc/postgresql/$2" ] || return 0) there is another package with postgresql basic configuration? |
| 18:03.50 | Danielss89 | zcat potterskolen_2007_07_19_03_01_crondump_perl.sql.gz | awk '/hp_post/' table.sql <--- is that correct jelly |
| 18:04.13 | jelly | Danielss89: an > between '/hp_post/' and table.sql |
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| 18:04.21 | xingu | chops: when your workload is, as mine happens to be, polling the transport itself for health signs, this is a great benefit. |
| 18:04.24 | chops | xingu: Giving what benefit? Saving a little time off the can't-connect-to-website message at the cost of sending an otherwise-unnecessary full routing table to every DSL router in the world? |
| 18:04.35 | Danielss89 | zcat potterskolen_2007_07_19_03_01_crondump_perl.sql.gz | awk '/hp_post/' > table.sql <--- is that correct jelly |
| 18:04.44 | jelly | Danielss89: looks ok |
| 18:04.48 | chops | xingu: Yeah, I wasn't saying it was wrong for you -- just wrong for most people (and that having a single gateway wasn't an abomination for them). |
| 18:04.49 | xingu | chops: saving the cost of starting a poll against an offline element is worth doing. |
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| 18:05.13 | xingu | chops: saving the cost of processing an inbound connection setup request where the source is unreachable is worth doing |
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| 18:06.05 | xingu | chops: saving the cost of firing packets into a blackholing segment on a multihomed host is worth doing |
| 18:06.25 | xingu | chops: picking the best exit interface on a multihomed host is also worth doing |
| 18:06.43 | xingu | chops: consumer edge nodes are increasingly multihomed - wlan+lan |
| 18:06.47 | Danielss89 | jelly can i find out which line "create table hp_post" is on |
| 18:07.32 | xingu | chops: just because the edge nodes *today* have crap routing protocol support and slightly better IP stacks doesn't make this any less a worthwhile goal |
| 18:07.36 | jelly | Danielss89: zless foo.sql.gz ? |
| 18:08.18 | helo | capslock is evil in vim |
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| 18:08.32 | xingu | jelly: where qagga loses out is where it floods its host with updates/retractions ie in a link flap event |
| 18:08.38 | helo | i've always wondered why i've heard people bitch so much about capslock... now i know..... grrr |
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| 18:09.30 | xingu | jelly: under the right kinds of stress it explodes into little pieces; but that can be managed; in terms of "can it recieve and install RIB updates" - yes it can; I've had it running OSPF for *years* on end. |
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| 18:09.53 | Danielss89 | jelly zless foo.sql.gz "create table hp_post" ?? |
| 18:09.55 | Danielss89 | or where? |
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| 18:11.43 | xingu | jelly: fixed a rather tricky little design issue in fact; http proxy deployed on the same transit lan as access gateways; flood igp updates (more-specifics) from the gateways to the proxy, avoids the design choke (per-gateway prefix pools) or icmp redirect storm that would otherwise result. |
| 18:11.47 | karsten | How do you get down from an elephant? |
| 18:12.04 | xingu | karsten: one bite at a time? |
| 18:12.17 | karsten | xingu: Nope. |
| 18:12.28 | Supaplex | with techno music? |
| 18:12.43 | karsten | Supaplex: And a reinforced dance floor |
| 18:13.11 | Supaplex | the savanah is reinforced enough for all I care. and yet, I don't care much. :P |
| 18:13.25 | setuid | How can I stop Debian from dragging in 49 separate emacs pacakges when I upgrade from "clean install" to current? |
| 18:13.26 | chops | xingu: I'm still not convinced. Thanks for the explanation, though. |
| 18:13.43 | setuid | I don't use/run or want emacs, but all of the emacs packages are broken, and stop the upgrade from seamlessly completing |
| 18:13.49 | setuid | I purge them all out, and it keeps reinstallign them |
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| 18:14.08 | Supaplex | !nuke emacs |
| 18:14.27 | lhrrwcc | eeeh, respect to emacs |
| 18:14.27 | setuid | Exactly |
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| 18:14.32 | setuid | Fuck emacs |
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| 18:14.45 | Supaplex | emacs is big enough it might survive that. vim's too small to survive a nuke. |
| 18:14.51 | jelly | Danielss89: zless foo.sql.gz ... then search inside less, type "/hp_post" |
| 18:15.02 | simonrvn | dude, it's a program... |
| 18:15.06 | Marupa | anyone in here have experience with hal that wouldn't mind helping me with my already stated problem? |
| 18:15.20 | lhrrwcc | Marupa, i didn't read it |
| 18:15.23 | gryfel | maybe someone must write an editor, that can do code-wars ;) |
| 18:15.56 | Danielss89 | ./bin/zless: line 4: exec: less: not found <--- jelly which program do i nedd |
| 18:15.58 | Danielss89 | need |
| 18:15.58 | jelly | xingu: you're losing me, I only know about routing in general, no protocol specifics ;-) |
| 18:16.00 | Marupa | lhrrwcc: I'm trying to install gnome, hal breaks unexpectedly with no visible reason, and thus gnome cannot install. |
| 18:16.02 | lhrrwcc | emacs is not an editor |
| 18:16.12 | Supaplex | !start an editor war |
| 18:16.12 | dpkg | nvi users are clueballs |
| 18:16.12 | xingu | jelly: "it's my day job" :) |
| 18:16.20 | simonrvn | Danielss89: take the . out |
| 18:16.32 | lhrrwcc | Marupa, while installing gnome trhought apt, it try to install first hld, and that breaks? |
| 18:16.34 | xingu | right |
| 18:16.35 | xingu | more beer |
| 18:16.42 | gryfel | ok..... i guess I have to port zap from riscos to linux ;) |
| 18:16.47 | Marupa | lhrrwcc: correct. |
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| 18:16.52 | Danielss89 | i just run zless file |
| 18:16.55 | jelly | xingu: ah, so it's no wonder you're trying to get rid of default routes at the end-user side :-) |
| 18:16.57 | Danielss89 | without any dots.. |
| 18:17.00 | lhrrwcc | perfect, it says there is a problem in postinstall or preinstall? |
| 18:17.06 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 18:17.09 | HardDisk_WP | i use debian testing and cant build nvidia kernel module with m-a |
| 18:17.10 | xingu | jelly: yep, job for life then ;) |
| 18:17.11 | HardDisk_WP | FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops' |
| 18:17.13 | HardDisk_WP | i use debian kernel 2.6.21-2 |
| 18:17.18 | zrin | I'm installing etch on amd64 with raid and encryption - the installer won't let me declare encrypted volumes as PV for LVM; I've pvcreated, vgcreated and lvcreated them using the second console, then restarted partitioner, but it still doesn't show anything of LVM? what are my options now? |
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| 18:17.27 | jelly | Danielss89: well... less. |
| 18:17.30 | lhrrwcc | HardDisk_WP, hackit |
| 18:17.32 | Marupa | lhrrwcc: i've 'set -x' aand it showed no error output. |
| 18:17.51 | HardDisk_WP | what causes this error (my selfmade 2.6.21.2 compiled w/o problems)?? |
| 18:18.13 | simonrvn | !kernel |
| 18:18.14 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.22.1, snapshot: 2.6.22-git14, 2.4: 2.4.34.5, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre5, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.22-rc6-mm1 |
| 18:18.14 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: PARAVIRT option enabled in .config |
| 18:18.44 | xingu | jelly: on typical internet mixes, when you solve the basic bandidth problems, rtt and service time between client and dns cache (and http proxy if used) become gating factors |
| 18:19.11 | HardDisk_WP | !start an editor war |
| 18:19.11 | dpkg | pico sucks |
| 18:19.18 | HardDisk_WP | hm |
| 18:19.22 | lhrrwcc | Marupa, normally, apt (ie: dpkg) says: postinstall error or something |
| 18:19.28 | setuid | aieee... I can't get rid of it!!! |
| 18:19.40 | setuid | Why won't emacs stay OUT of my machine!? |
| 18:19.41 | jelly | xingu: /me nods, I have a local web and dns cache installed on the laptop |
| 18:19.45 | xingu | jelly: so to put the proxy nearest to the edge you wind up building a transit lan that has a gateway facing all the edge nodes, your uplink, and the proxy. |
| 18:19.46 | karsten | Campbell was the best editor. |
| 18:19.54 | Marupa | lhrrwcc: I'll get the exact output, one moment. |
| 18:19.57 | karsten | Amazing, in fact. |
| 18:20.03 | xingu | jelly: if the proxy has full topology about the client edge, it doesn't need to route via the uplink |
| 18:20.18 | HardDisk_WP | lhrrwcc, i dont have any C skillz |
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| 18:20.21 | jelly | karsten: I almost chuckled! |
| 18:20.23 | HardDisk_WP | jelly, that means i have to stay on my selfmade kernel? |
| 18:20.25 | HardDisk_WP | well if this causes the debian kernel to break the NVIDIA driver, that's really stupid |
| 18:20.35 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: blame nvidia |
| 18:20.37 | xingu | jelly: if you don't want to restrict yourself to one prefix or pool of prefixes assigned to each gateway (ie, you want address mobility across gateways) then you got two choices |
| 18:20.42 | karsten | jelly: I'm slipping. |
| 18:20.44 | zinx | hmm? |
| 18:20.55 | xingu | jelly: live with a hailstorm of redirects is choice a; choice b, is redistribute routes to the proxy. |
| 18:20.57 | Marupa | lhrrwcc: invoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed. // dpkg: error processing hal (--configure): // subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 18:21.03 | setuid | xfonts-base relies on emacs?!?!? |
| 18:21.05 | setuid | wtf?! |
| 18:21.10 | karsten | jelly: I don't suppose you've got an analog of that joke. |
| 18:21.11 | setuid | Oh come on! |
| 18:21.12 | databuddy | so question on ram: pc2-5300 vs pc2-5400 -- the 5400 is oc'd by 8mhz vs the 5300 - but in a mobo with otherwise compatable ram if its not fully happy with that extra 8Hz it would tend to clock down right? -- just im looking at the future and it seems for mild overclocking that 5400 should be better? |
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| 18:21.20 | zinx | HardDisk_WP: i have zero problems w/ nvidia on 2.6.21-2-amd64 |
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| 18:21.34 | *** part/#debian zrin (n=chatzill@chello062178201205.6.15.tuwien.teleweb.at) |
| 18:21.37 | setuid | How can I find out which other packages are trying to pull in emacs? |
| 18:21.38 | zinx | HardDisk_WP: 100.14.11 is installed and working, loads fine, w/ just m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 18:21.58 | simonrvn | setuid: no it doesn't |
| 18:22.00 | zinx | HardDisk_WP: it might be the amd64 bit, i dunno.. :/ |
| 18:22.11 | karsten | setuid: I'm thinking something with dpkg-awk or similar. |
| 18:22.12 | simonrvn | setuid: stop using apt-get to fix this |
| 18:22.21 | HardDisk_WP | zinx, wait...i have 1.0.9755-1 nv drivers |
| 18:22.21 | zrin | I'm installing etch on amd64 with raid and encryption - the installer won't let me declare encrypted volumes as PV for LVM; I've pvcreated, vgcreated and lvcreated them using the second console, then restarted partitioner, but it still doesn't show anything of LVM? what are my options now? |
| 18:22.36 | HardDisk_WP | zinx, from where do you have the 100.14.11 drivers? |
| 18:22.48 | karsten | zrin: Panicking and whiskey are *always* options. |
| 18:23.31 | setuid | simonrvn, apt-get -f install, is trying to drag in: emacs21 emacs21-bin-common emacs21-common emacsen-common erlang-base libsdl-erlang xfonts-base |
| 18:23.39 | setuid | I don't want any of that erlang or emacs crap |
| 18:23.39 | zrin | karsten: I've chosen beer, but it didn't help so far ;) |
| 18:23.42 | Seb | beer is always the option of choice. The beautiful part being that it doesn't depend upon the problem at hand. |
| 18:23.45 | zinx | HardDisk_WP: i run sid :/ |
| 18:23.53 | setuid | How do I find out which package is requiring emacs? |
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| 18:24.02 | HardDisk_WP | zinx, i run debian testing |
| 18:24.05 | lhrrwcc | Marupa, check /var/cache/apt/archives/hal....deb and see what the scripts are trying to do |
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| 18:24.08 | chops | setuid: Sounds like time to learn about aptitude or dselect |
| 18:24.10 | simonrvn | setuid: aptitude |
| 18:24.12 | Seb | setuid: apt-cache showpkg emacs |
| 18:24.20 | Seb | setuid: and then look for reverse depends |
| 18:24.24 | simonrvn | setuid: and just start removing emacs stuff |
| 18:24.27 | setuid | chops, do they work in text-only, non-curses mode? |
| 18:24.34 | jcole | anyone here know of a command line app that can retrieve a webpage and run its javascript? |
| 18:24.35 | Seb | setuid: you might wanna s/emacs/emacs21/ or emacs22 or somethin |
| 18:24.36 | Techdeck | $] ps aux | grep -c sshd |
| 18:24.36 | Techdeck | 2190 |
| 18:24.37 | setuid | simonrvn, I purged every emacs pacakge and dependent package |
| 18:24.38 | zinx | HardDisk_WP: i don't recommend sid unless you want breakage, but sometimes you can use the unstable drivers in testing (depends on recent xorg/etc changes); try people.debian.org/~rdonald/ |
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| 18:24.41 | chops | setuid: aptitude does |
| 18:24.48 | Seb | jcole: links2 |
| 18:24.50 | simonrvn | obviously not |
| 18:24.56 | Techdeck | I have about 2000 defunct sshd proccesses! |
| 18:24.58 | zrin | karsten: do you have an idea about how to tell the installer which partition to use as root? |
| 18:25.02 | zinx | HardDisk_WP: don't take anything other than the drivers themselves from sid though, it's a bad idea to mix random packages |
| 18:25.06 | Techdeck | anyone has any idea how to kill them / debug this? |
| 18:25.08 | chops | setuid: Use the command-line version (the semi-replacement for apt-get). The ncurses frontend (semi-replacement for dselect) is, to me, nearly totally unusable. |
| 18:25.08 | jcole | Seb: hmm, links*2* |
| 18:25.13 | zinx | HardDisk_WP: if the drivers depend on something not in lenny, don't use 'em |
| 18:25.17 | Seb | jcole: links2, yes |
| 18:25.17 | jcole | Seb: ill try that, thanks a load |
| 18:25.22 | Marupa | lhrrwcc: I'm not seeing any files in that directory. |
| 18:25.22 | Seb | jcole: np |
| 18:25.38 | xingu | Techdeck: pkill, if you don't mind killing the parent too. |
| 18:25.43 | setuid | chops, and how is a "front end" going to do more than the back-end that drives it? |
| 18:25.48 | Techdeck | i don't, and i already tried it xingu |
| 18:25.49 | xingu | Techdeck: I suggest you do this from a telnet login or a physical console :) |
| 18:25.51 | Techdeck | well, I did killall -9 sshd |
| 18:25.56 | lhrrwcc | Marupa, there's where the packages are commonly downloaded |
| 18:25.56 | unmanarc_ | i have some problem... i´ installed debian etch from debootstrap on a chroot, and later i used aptitude install postgresql-8.1. and /etc/init.d/postgresql (specific /usr/share/postgresql-common/init.d-functions) requires /etc/postgresql/8.1 ([ -d "/etc/postgresql/$2" ] || return 0) there is another package with postgresql basic configuration? |
| 18:26.02 | Seb | Techdeck: ps aux | grep sshd | awk 'print $2' | xargs kill -9 ? |
| 18:26.06 | simonrvn | it's not an effing front end |
| 18:26.09 | Techdeck | Seb, .. |
| 18:26.12 | Marupa | lhrrwcc: it's empty. |
| 18:26.14 | Techdeck | killall -9 works just the same :p |
| 18:26.21 | xingu | pkill is good. :) |
| 18:26.21 | Techdeck | Seb, and it's not working |
| 18:26.21 | chops | setuid: But you can request sets of things, and it can try to satisfy them for you. E.g. 'aptitude dist-upgrade emacs21_' for dist-upgrade and purge emacs21 |
| 18:26.27 | Techdeck | xingu, but its not working |
| 18:26.28 | Seb | Techdeck: if they're defunct you need to kill the parent so they get reaped |
| 18:26.29 | Techdeck | any other idea? |
| 18:26.34 | Techdeck | ahhh |
| 18:26.35 | Techdeck | let me try |
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| 18:26.43 | jelly | karsten: I wonder if there's a locus of irc puns, an origin point. |
| 18:26.44 | Techdeck | let me install telnet :p |
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| 18:26.55 | Seb | hrm no |
| 18:26.57 | Seb | damn |
| 18:27.08 | Seb | defunct means the parent died and the child was never reaped |
| 18:27.15 | Techdeck | now what? :p |
| 18:27.26 | Seb | Techdeck: leave them be |
| 18:27.28 | Techdeck | that sounds bad :p |
| 18:27.33 | Seb | Techdeck: or reboot |
| 18:27.33 | Techdeck | Seb 2000 proccesses man.. |
| 18:27.35 | Techdeck | noo |
| 18:27.40 | Techdeck | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:27.43 | Techdeck | don't do this to me :p |
| 18:27.50 | Seb | Techdeck: not like they're doing anything. They're just not reaped |
| 18:27.51 | Techdeck | must be a way.. |
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| 18:28.01 | Seb | Techdeck: dick measuring contest ? |
| 18:28.06 | Techdeck | yes |
| 18:28.11 | setuid | Techdeck, kill -9 -1 |
| 18:28.15 | Techdeck | haha |
| 18:28.17 | Techdeck | yeah right :p |
| 18:28.29 | setuid | http://rafb.net/p/rFXiQD48.html |
| 18:28.43 | Seb | Techdeck: then live with them. You can't both be playing silly uptime games and getting rid of defunct processes |
| 18:28.44 | Techdeck | setuid, :() { :|:& };: |
| 18:28.51 | chops | Techdeck: If they get reparented to init, I believe that init will finally reap them. So there's a process hanging around that has yet to reap them. |
| 18:28.53 | Techdeck | Seb, is that too much to ask? |
| 18:28.56 | chops | Techdeck: Try pstree -pl |
| 18:29.02 | Seb | Techdeck: it is |
| 18:29.11 | karsten | zrin: Sorry, no. I'd do a standard install and convert filesystems after the fact if it was fighting me that badly. Or do a nonencrypted root filesystem, choosing instead to encrypt, say, /home and /var. |
| 18:29.13 | Marupa | lhrrwcc: still there? |
| 18:29.26 | lhrrwcc | yes |
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| 18:29.29 | simonrvn | kill -9 is an excellent way to end up with zombie processes |
| 18:29.42 | Marupa | lhrrwcc: what do I do now? |
| 18:29.44 | Techdeck | chops, ok.. what am I looking for? |
| 18:29.48 | setuid | This makes zero sense. There is *NOTHING* installed that uses/depends/requires emacs, why is apt-get trying to install all of the emacs packages? |
| 18:29.48 | Seb | simonrvn: good, but not sure fire :) |
| 18:29.55 | setuid | does apt-get require emacs? |
| 18:29.57 | setuid | wth. |
| 18:30.01 | simonrvn | no |
| 18:30.02 | setuid | I've never had this much trouble |
| 18:30.04 | chops | Techdeck: If you have 2000 defunct processes, you'll know it when you see it :-) |
| 18:30.08 | Seb | setuid: i told ya to look for reverse depends didn't it ? |
| 18:30.17 | lhrrwcc | Marupa, check the scripts inside the .deb file (hal one), and check if something is causing the problem |
| 18:30.19 | setuid | Seb, No reverse depends |
| 18:30.20 | Techdeck | chops, well I don't see them having a parent |
| 18:30.23 | Techdeck | if thats what you mean |
| 18:30.29 | setuid | Reverse Depends: |
| 18:30.29 | chops | Techdeck: Are they children of init now? |
| 18:30.30 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.32 | Marupa | lhrrwcc: there'ss no hal .deb file. |
| 18:30.34 | lhrrwcc | if not, wait until repo updates |
| 18:30.36 | karsten | jelly: I think it's more like quantum energy myself. Spontaneously emerges from vacuum. |
| 18:30.36 | setuid | Things like that, but of course, no emacs packages installed |
| 18:30.38 | chops | Techdeck: Can you pastebin the pstree? |
| 18:30.39 | Techdeck | chops yes :( |
| 18:30.44 | chops | Techdeck: Oh. |
| 18:30.46 | jelly | setuid: aptitude purge emacs! :-) |
| 18:30.47 | xingu | Techdeck: are you running fuse? |
| 18:30.53 | Techdeck | what's fuse? |
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| 18:31.05 | chops | Techdeck: Maybe I was mistaken about init reaping processes automatically... I thought it did though. |
| 18:31.15 | jelly | karsten: oh that's just a nebulous theory. |
| 18:31.16 | chops | Techdeck: How do you feel about rebooting? :-) |
| 18:31.24 | Techdeck | chops, nevah! :p |
| 18:31.28 | setuid | jelly, http://rafb.net/p/EM4YbQ72.html |
| 18:31.28 | xingu | Techdeck: there's not too many ways you can wind up with zombies; blocked system calls is one of them, and a broken filesystem qualifies. |
| 18:31.33 | Seb | setuid: dude i told you to try emacs21 and/or emacs22. emacs is virtual |
| 18:31.38 | Seb | setuid: you need to listen better |
| 18:31.50 | Techdeck | it is a 350MHz .. very old computer |
| 18:31.57 | Techdeck | maybe something finally died on it :( |
| 18:31.58 | setuid | Seb, Are you listening at all? LOok at what I"m pasting |
| 18:32.04 | lhrrwcc | Marupa,sudo bash /etic/init.d/hald stop |
| 18:32.05 | lhrrwcc | Marupa,sudo bash /etic/init.d/hald start |
| 18:32.06 | lhrrwcc | try that |
| 18:32.11 | setuid | Seb, Use your eyes, and see what I've said/pasted. |
| 18:32.16 | karsten | Techdeck: filesystem in userspace. |
| 18:32.17 | jelly | setuid: so kill ess too (add to apt-get/aptitude line for removal) |
| 18:32.28 | jelly | setuid: repeat ad nauseam |
| 18:32.35 | setuid | jelly, I'll see what this does, I'm sure this is horribly breaking my ability to make this a working LiveCD |
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| 18:32.50 | setuid | Its funny, I asked aptitude to purge emacs, and so its fetching emacs |
| 18:32.58 | setuid | Get:1 http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu stable/main emacsen-common 1.4.17 [17.6kB] |
| 18:32.58 | setuid | Get:2 http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu testing/main emacs21-common 21.4a+1-5 [9356kB] |
| 18:32.59 | Seb | setuid: look homes, search for reverse depends for all those emacs packages it's trying to install, and don't fucking tell me they don't have any |
| 18:33.00 | setuid | ...and so on |
| 18:33.02 | Seb | jesus |
| 18:33.10 | chops | setuid: So do aptitude remove wings3d_ ilisp_ ess_ |
| 18:33.16 | Techdeck | in fact.. |
| 18:33.22 | Techdeck | I have a lot of other defunct proccesses |
| 18:33.29 | stew | setuid: exactly what command did you type? |
| 18:33.29 | Techdeck | sounds bad :\ |
| 18:33.32 | chops | setuid: What does that do for you? |
| 18:33.35 | jelly | setuid: are you perchance using sid as a base for your livecd? :-) |
| 18:33.42 | xingu | Techdeck: what does ps -o pid,wchan,args | grep sshd say in the wchan column? |
| 18:33.47 | setuid | Yep, trying to purge emacs with aptitude, just reinstalled all of the emacs packages |
| 18:33.52 | Marupa | lhrrwcc: no such file or directory |
| 18:34.02 | stew | setuid: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:34.02 | lhrrwcc | well, try installing hald then |
| 18:34.06 | Techdeck | xingu, nothing, it's empty |
| 18:34.06 | setuid | jelly, I'm using KNOPPIX 5.1.1, and remastering from its onboard Debian, which is Testing/Stable |
| 18:34.13 | Techdeck | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.16 | Techdeck | it caught the grep |
| 18:34.17 | Seb | aaah, knoppix |
| 18:34.20 | jelly | setuid: EWW!!1!one |
| 18:34.21 | stew | setuid: please go to #knoppix for help with knoppix |
| 18:34.22 | setuid | stray_, aptitude purge emacs21 |
| 18:34.23 | chops | setuid: WTF? |
| 18:34.28 | setuid | er, stew |
| 18:34.40 | chops | setuid: You must have misspelled, "/join #knoppix" then |
| 18:34.45 | xingu | Techdeck: and the remainder are all blank for wchan? |
| 18:34.59 | Techdeck | nope.. I don't think it even caught it |
| 18:35.00 | jelly | setuid: I'd start with base debian and work up, instead |
| 18:35.01 | setuid | stew: dpkg -l | grep emacs | awk '{print $2}' | xargs dpkg --purge --force-all |
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| 18:35.14 | setuid | jelly, That won't give me what I want, but thanks for the idea |
| 18:35.20 | xingu | Techdeck: try ps -o pid,wchan,cmd,args | grep ssh |
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| 18:35.24 | Danielss89 | hmm im trying to get the file with wget... but this is what it says: utime(backup.sql.gz.1): No such file or directory |
| 18:35.24 | Danielss89 | 13:00:25 (4.77 MB/s) - `backup.sql.gz.1' saved [53282925/53282925] |
| 18:35.28 | stew | setuid: please go to #knoppix ; sorry, we can't help you. |
| 18:35.31 | z | hi |
| 18:35.31 | Techdeck | xingu, nah you just forgot 'ax' before it |
| 18:35.39 | Danielss89 | i just cant find the file anyware |
| 18:35.39 | Techdeck | xingu, it shows 'exit' for all of the sshd proccesses |
| 18:35.41 | xingu | Techdeck: ps -e please :) |
| 18:35.43 | Danielss89 | anywere* |
| 18:35.57 | Techdeck | hehe |
| 18:36.01 | setuid | The elitist crap isn't helpful, that's still so 90's. |
| 18:36.02 | Techdeck | they are all on 'exit' |
| 18:36.13 | wols | setuid: fuck off |
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| 18:36.19 | Techdeck | well most of them |
| 18:36.23 | setuid | These are debian packages from a debian repository, using debian commands to install/manage them. |
| 18:36.25 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 18:36.26 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@p549DF00C.dip.t-dialin.net] by stew |
| 18:36.26 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 18:36.28 | xingu | Techdeck: ok so that's useful to know; in that case the earlier suggestion about pstree -pl is a good one. |
| 18:36.37 | stew | setuid: please drop it, and go to #knoppix |
| 18:36.44 | xingu | Techdeck: the parent hasn't yet done a wait/waitid on its children, and needs to |
| 18:36.46 | Techdeck | xingu, is there a solution other than rebooting the machine though? |
| 18:36.49 | stew | wols: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 18:36.56 | chops | setuid: It's not elitist, it's well-founded. If it's Debian's fault, reproduce the problem on a pure Debian installation and ask us to solve it there. |
| 18:36.56 | xingu | Techdeck: identify the parent and kill it. |
| 18:37.01 | Techdeck | it has no parent |
| 18:37.02 | jelly | setuid: grml is a much more useful starting point, and closer to debian IME |
| 18:37.03 | Techdeck | I checked ps fawx too |
| 18:37.12 | xingu | Techdeck: maybe go for ps -eo ppid,pid,wchan,cmd,args | grep ssh |
| 18:37.17 | Techdeck | hmm |
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| 18:37.17 | Danielss89 | I get these errors when trying to wget a file.. it seems like it downloads it but i cant find it anywere..: utime(backup.sql.gz.1): No such file or directory |
| 18:37.17 | Danielss89 | 13:00:25 (4.77 MB/s) - `backup.sql.gz.1' saved [53282925/53282925] |
| 18:37.22 | Techdeck | let me try to post it |
| 18:37.31 | simonrvn | Danielss89: . |
| 18:37.35 | xingu | techbee: what's the ppid for them? 1? or something else? |
| 18:37.43 | Techdeck | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.43 | Danielss89 | simonrvn .? |
| 18:37.46 | Techdeck | tons of these |
| 18:37.48 | setuid | jelly, Does it support cloop? |
| 18:37.50 | simonrvn | pwd |
| 18:37.58 | setuid | jelly, I need 8gb on this DVD |
| 18:38.02 | Techdeck | 1 being the parent |
| 18:38.03 | Techdeck | (init) |
| 18:38.10 | Danielss89 | simonrvn what? |
| 18:38.22 | xingu | Techdeck: hmm; again there's not too many ways you can block in exit; is your swap sane? |
| 18:38.31 | Techdeck | ah |
| 18:38.33 | Techdeck | let's see |
| 18:38.40 | Techdeck | yup |
| 18:38.40 | setuid | Techdeck, Change your socket timeout with sysctl, to drop those orphans |
| 18:38.42 | Techdeck | 500 megs free |
| 18:38.45 | Techdeck | only about 2 megs used |
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| 18:39.04 | simonrvn | basic *nix knowledge man |
| 18:39.04 | Techdeck | setuid, excuse me if I don't believe you |
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| 18:39.11 | jelly | setuid: no idea, I think it has about 2GB on a CD so it probably does something clever. grml.org |
| 18:39.12 | setuid | Techdeck, No, I'm being serious. |
| 18:39.15 | setuid | TTL and such |
| 18:39.18 | Techdeck | setuid, I'm sure you are |
| 18:39.20 | xingu | setuid: surely that'd be booked as close in wchan? |
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| 18:39.55 | setuid | xingu, Possible, not sure how these sessions are being initialized... ssh brute force? legit clients exiting cleanly? |
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| 18:40.16 | xingu | setuid: that's my guess; or fuse gone wild. |
| 18:40.38 | Techdeck | 2190 of them? |
| 18:40.39 | jelly | setuid: and it comes with screens and zsh open on various consoles by default <3 :-) |
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| 18:40.57 | xingu | Techdeck: what does /proc/mounts say? anything unusual (that looks like a remote or nfs filesystem mount) in there? |
| 18:41.01 | Danielss89 | jelly do you know why the file disappears after a wget`? |
| 18:41.17 | jelly | Danielss89: disappears? |
| 18:41.24 | Danielss89 | or dont get there at all.. |
| 18:41.27 | Techdeck | xingu, there's a samba share in there |
| 18:41.34 | Techdeck | which is working |
| 18:41.36 | Danielss89 | jelly this is what it says: utime(backup.sql.gz.1): No such file or directory |
| 18:41.36 | Danielss89 | 13:00:25 (4.77 MB/s) - `backup.sql.gz.1' saved [53282925/53282925] |
| 18:41.57 | xingu | Techdeck: ok, that /should/ be ok. |
| 18:42.06 | Techdeck | xingu, just.. |
| 18:42.08 | Techdeck | I can't umount it |
| 18:42.11 | Techdeck | x-session 29103 Techdeck cwd DIR 0,12 4096 102817 /mnt/c/Documents and Settings |
| 18:42.11 | Techdeck | kwrapper 29207 Techdeck cwd DIR 0,12 4096 102817 /mnt/c/Documents and Settings |
| 18:42.14 | xingu | Techdeck: what does ls -lad /proc/<pid> of some random zombie pid say? |
| 18:42.15 | jelly | Danielss89: that's funny. do you have a fascist admin deleting /tmp all the time? :-) |
| 18:42.17 | Techdeck | those are using it |
| 18:42.27 | Danielss89 | no jelly :P |
| 18:42.32 | Danielss89 | i dont think so :D |
| 18:42.38 | Techdeck | #] ls -lad /proc/21485 |
| 18:42.38 | Techdeck | dr-xr-xr-x 3 sshd nogroup 0 Jul 20 07:40 /proc/21485 |
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| 18:43.01 | jcole | Seb: hmm, i can get links2 to do https throguh our proxy |
| 18:43.06 | xingu | Techdeck: ie trying to gauge how old this problem is, if it's all the sshd's in a few minutes/ or across many days. |
| 18:43.07 | jcole | cant* |
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| 18:43.17 | Techdeck | xingu, oh |
| 18:43.19 | Danielss89 | should i just try again, or will the same thing happend jelly? |
| 18:43.28 | Techdeck | xingu, I didn't have this problem 3 weeks ago (I think) |
| 18:43.34 | Seb | jcole: transparent proxy ? |
| 18:43.43 | kbrooks | uhm. does update-rc.d remove gdm remove /etc/init.d/gdm ? |
| 18:43.49 | jelly | Danielss89: no idea |
| 18:43.57 | stew | kbrooks: in ubuntu? |
| 18:43.58 | Seb | kbrooks: no, it rmeoves the startup links only |
| 18:44.07 | kbrooks | Seb: k |
| 18:44.08 | xingu | Techdeck: is the wc -l figure reduced, while we've been talking? |
| 18:44.24 | Seb | kbrooks: but you'd need -f to make it do that if /etc/init.d/gdm exists, I believe |
| 18:44.27 | Techdeck | Jul12 is the oldest |
| 18:44.32 | kbrooks | Seb: ok |
| 18:44.32 | Techdeck | nope xingu |
| 18:44.36 | Techdeck | it's still on 2190 |
| 18:44.54 | setuid | 7,202 attempts at logging into our ftp server with 28 accounts... what idiots. |
| 18:45.12 | jcole | Seb: from the man page: |
| 18:45.12 | jcole | Seb: -http-proxy <host:port> |
| 18:45.12 | jcole | Seb: -ftp-proxy <host:port> |
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| 18:45.27 | jcole | Seb: no https... ill try env variables |
| 18:45.34 | setuid | Techdeck, are these all ssh? |
| 18:45.45 | setuid | Techdeck, Any NFS involved? (NFS-mounted home directories?) |
| 18:45.47 | Techdeck | setuid, yes |
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| 18:45.54 | Techdeck | setuid, samba is the closest |
| 18:46.17 | Techdeck | //192.168.0.155/c on /mnt/c type smbfs (rw) |
| 18:46.30 | setuid | Just (rw)? No other params? |
| 18:46.31 | setuid | tsk |
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| 18:46.36 | jelly | Danielss89: if it happens again, means somthine is deleting the file, which is kind of weird. |
| 18:46.38 | kbrooks | seb: thanks |
| 18:46.46 | Seb | jcole: env variables are supposed to always work, yes |
| 18:46.47 | Techdeck | //192.168.0.155/c /mnt/c smbfs rw,nodiratime,nosuid,nodev,uid=0,gid=0,file_mode=0755,dir_mode=0755 0 0 |
| 18:46.48 | Seb | kbrooks: np |
| 18:46.49 | Techdeck | happy? :p |
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| 18:46.54 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 18:46.54 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@p549DF00C.dip.t-dialin.net] by stew |
| 18:46.54 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 18:47.17 | simonrvn | stew: who was that? |
| 18:47.44 | xand | wols |
| 18:47.52 | simonrvn | 'k |
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| 18:48.02 | simonrvn | ty |
| 18:48.03 | Techdeck | hmm |
| 18:48.10 | Techdeck | I can't umount /mnt/c though |
| 18:48.12 | Techdeck | something is using it |
| 18:48.31 | jcole | Techdeck: fyi, smbfs is deprecated, its best to use cifs |
| 18:48.32 | mick_home | anyone know of something like nvu? i don't think it will build on ppc |
| 18:48.34 | jelly | Techdeck: what's lsof say? |
| 18:48.47 | Techdeck | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 18:48.47 | Techdeck | kwrapper 29207 Techdeck cwd DIR 0,12 4096 102817 /mnt/c/Documents and Settings |
| 18:48.57 | Techdeck | should I kill -9 it? |
| 18:49.06 | jcole | Techdeck: man mount.cifs |
| 18:49.08 | setuid | Techdeck, no |
| 18:49.11 | Techdeck | k |
| 18:49.12 | mick_home | i just want to edit a few basic html pages in a wysiwyg fashion |
| 18:49.13 | setuid | lsof |
| 18:49.20 | Techdeck | it's kde.. |
| 18:49.21 | setuid | mick_home, anjuta, bluefish |
| 18:49.22 | mick_home | w/o butchering it |
| 18:49.22 | Techdeck | I don't mind killing it |
| 18:49.31 | setuid | Techdeck, lsof | grep /mnt/c/ |
| 18:49.32 | jelly | Techdeck: try a more reasonable signal first |
| 18:49.39 | Techdeck | lets see |
| 18:49.41 | Techdeck | -1? |
| 18:49.48 | mick_home | bluefish is not wysiwyg? it wasn't when i used it |
| 18:49.55 | mick_home | setuid: i'll try that - thanks |
| 18:49.56 | jelly | Techdeck: INT, TERM, HUP |
| 18:50.03 | Techdeck | k |
| 18:50.05 | Techdeck | lets see |
| 18:50.19 | setuid | Neat, xfonts-base removes /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc and then complains that it doesn't exist |
| 18:50.29 | Techdeck | INT worked :p |
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| 18:50.41 | setuid | mick_home, A browser is how you get WYSIWYG |
| 18:50.48 | setuid | mick_home, You should be testing in a browser anyway, not an editor |
| 18:50.48 | simonrvn | i use default then -2 if that doesn't go |
| 18:50.51 | jelly | Techdeck: see, no need to SIGKILL |
| 18:50.52 | Techdeck | still 2190 proccesses |
| 18:50.56 | Techdeck | true jelly |
| 18:50.58 | Techdeck | thanks |
| 18:51.07 | setuid | 2190 open ssh processes?! |
| 18:51.12 | Techdeck | aye. |
| 18:51.14 | setuid | ps afux, what are the parents? |
| 18:51.15 | Techdeck | defunct ones |
| 18:51.19 | Techdeck | 1 |
| 18:51.21 | Techdeck | (init) |
| 18:51.30 | jelly | Techdeck: lsof | grep /mnt/c | awk '{print $2}'| sort -u | xargs kill :-D |
| 18:51.32 | setuid | No, what are the parent process of those ssh processes |
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| 18:51.49 | robboplus | evening folks |
| 18:51.49 | Techdeck | jelly, /mnt/c is already umounted |
| 18:51.56 | jelly | bummer |
| 18:52.08 | Techdeck | and lsof /mnt/c is faster :D |
| 18:52.24 | setuid | http://rafb.net/p/WR4Jjk86.html |
| 18:52.26 | robboplus | can you tell me how does debian handle multicore cpus? i mean if any app would run on additional cores or does it depend on the app somehow? |
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| 18:52.48 | jelly | Techdeck: meh, I'd just reboot or schedule a reboot |
| 18:53.00 | setuid | robboplus, Debian, via an SMP kernel, gives your application access to the physical hardware... but your application needs to know how to use it |
| 18:53.00 | xingu | robboplus: any process will get balanced across the cores with an smp kernel |
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| 18:53.11 | setuid | xingu, Not quite |
| 18:53.16 | xingu | robboplus: any /threaded/ application will balance threads across cores |
| 18:53.19 | robboplus | those 2 answers don't match :s |
| 18:53.22 | setuid | xingu, For example, Apache2 uses all cores, Squid does not |
| 18:53.24 | Techdeck | haha jelly |
| 18:53.29 | Techdeck | I'm trying to avoid that :p |
| 18:53.34 | Techdeck | don't wanna kill my uptime |
| 18:53.37 | xingu | setuid: two instances of squid will be balanced by the kernel |
| 18:53.40 | setuid | It depends on the application's ability to use threads across the cores |
| 18:53.47 | xingu | setuid: hence, "process", and "thread". |
| 18:53.56 | setuid | xingu, Nope, Squid, regardless of the number of instances, will run on one core |
| 18:53.58 | robboplus | xingu how about apps that don't create instances? |
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| 18:54.07 | simonrvn | what? |
| 18:54.23 | xingu | setuid: try a little experiment; run two copies of the squid process; load them; watch them balance. |
| 18:54.25 | setuid | xingu, I've discussed this at length with the Squid devs, and done my own benchmarking... which is why I now run Apache directly on port 80, and not behind Squid |
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| 18:54.29 | jelly | Techdeck: it's a cost/effect calculation, if you think spending gobs of time to find the cause, 's ok. |
| 18:54.38 | setuid | Squid is 2-3x slower on SMP than UP, regardless of instances |
| 18:54.44 | xingu | setuid: if you're only running one squid process, this is the reason why |
| 18:54.45 | brea | Can anyone recommend a way to manage SSH logins on multiples machines for mutiple users so I don't have to copy the keyfiles and create users all over the place? |
| 18:54.51 | setuid | xingu, see above |
| 18:54.52 | xingu | setuid: squid is not threaded |
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| 18:54.57 | Techdeck | jelly, it interests me too |
| 18:55.16 | xingu | setuid: if you set its affinity it should be the same flatline speed. |
| 18:55.18 | mick_home | setuid: seems like both aren't what i'm looking for. i guess there is nothing comparable to nvu :-/ oh well. |
| 18:55.19 | Techdeck | besides, it's the weekend |
| 18:55.24 | Techdeck | I finally have some time to spend |
| 18:55.28 | xingu | setuid: rebalancing costs performance |
| 18:55.37 | setuid | mick_home, Then just run nvu |
| 18:55.41 | xingu | setuid: setting its affinity will allow it to stick to a single core. |
| 18:55.48 | setuid | mick_home, There's plenty of those kinds of apps for Linux, they're just not free |
| 18:55.57 | mick_home | setuid: missed my first comment about it not working on ppc |
| 18:56.07 | simonrvn | setuid: there's cds that take to remastering better. slox.org i think or something like that |
| 18:56.11 | setuid | mick_home, Run it in a 32-bit, i386 chroot |
| 18:56.15 | setuid | mick_home, debootstrap |
| 18:56.28 | simonrvn | powerpc ... |
| 18:56.29 | xingu | setuid: two squid processes, with the affinity set in such a way as to have them only execute on a given core, will deliver equivalent throughput; the other variable is memory/ cache bandwidth. |
| 18:56.31 | setuid | simonrvn, I was hoping to get a full 8gb of apps on a DVD for my LUG |
| 18:56.33 | jelly | setuid: and then, what, qemu? |
| 18:56.40 | mick_home | for a few html pages, i'll stick w/ vim :) |
| 18:56.42 | xand | setuid: ppc isn't compatible with i386 |
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| 18:56.56 | setuid | xand, I'm aware of that... I used to work for IBM, thanks ;) |
| 18:56.58 | jelly | xand: qemu-i386 and binfmt! :-) |
| 18:56.59 | mick_home | instead of killing myself w/ qemu etc |
| 18:57.10 | xand | setuid: why did you suggest that then? |
| 18:57.30 | simonrvn | setuid: and why are you suggesting dumb things then? |
| 18:57.39 | jelly | setuid: isebootstrapping a different arch even possible? |
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| 18:57.58 | simonrvn | jelly: yeh, but watch it not run ;) |
| 18:58.02 | stew | jelly: yes |
| 18:58.05 | setuid | heh |
| 18:58.39 | jelly | simonrvn: I don't care if it doesn't run, I just want to install amd64 on a different disk and boot into it later |
| 18:58.46 | setuid | mick_home, When you emailed the nVu folks for a PPC version, what did they say? |
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| 18:58.57 | Danielss89 | Can i delete the first 7 lines of a file without opening it in a editor?? is there a command? |
| 18:59.08 | zinx | yes |
| 18:59.28 | stew | Danielss89: sed -i 1,9d file |
| 18:59.38 | setuid | mick_home, http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/index.php |
| 18:59.40 | jelly | 9? |
| 18:59.45 | stew | Danielss89: errr, 1,7 |
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| 19:00.08 | setuid | mick_home, http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/screenshots//shot1.png |
| 19:00.11 | setuid | Close to what you want? |
| 19:00.28 | setuid | http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/screenshots//shot7.png |
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| 19:01.12 | xingu | setuid: just out of interest, have you ever benchmarked delegate? |
| 19:01.16 | setuid | mick_home, http://www.screem.org/ |
| 19:01.16 | wastr2 | can anyone help me with my laptop temperature problem |
| 19:01.23 | setuid | xingu, Nope, never |
| 19:01.25 | wastr2 | it overheated 2 nights ago, and seems to be hot today too |
| 19:01.31 | setuid | wastr2, what laptop? |
| 19:01.36 | wastr2 | thinkpad R51 |
| 19:01.38 | wastr2 | its a 1.5 |
| 19:01.41 | setuid | wastr2, Running ibm_acpi? |
| 19:01.42 | wastr2 | from 2 years ago |
| 19:01.45 | wastr2 | let me check |
| 19:01.54 | keith4 | wastr2: http://www.google.com/products?q=laptop+cooler&hl=en&safe=off&client=iceweasel-a&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&um=1&sa=X&oi=froogle&ct=title |
| 19:01.55 | Leonidas | is there a way to set the mode of a home directory when it is created? |
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| 19:02.08 | xand | Leonidas: if you use adduser, edit /etc/adduser.conf |
| 19:02.10 | Leonidas | (created by useradd) |
| 19:02.10 | setuid | I have a patch that overclocks the fan, sets it to a value the driver doesn't let you reach, but I've been running it with my patch for a few years, and it works great. |
| 19:02.17 | xingu | setuid: did you experiment with different irqbalance and cpu affinity settings with your concurrent-squid and single-instance vs UP squid benchmarks? |
| 19:02.18 | setuid | echo full-speed > /proc/acpi/ibm/fan |
| 19:02.19 | Danielss89 | stew the file is gzipped |
| 19:02.25 | setuid | xingu, NO |
| 19:02.27 | setuid | er, No |
| 19:02.28 | wastr2 | do I need to patch my kernel for htat |
| 19:02.35 | Leonidas | xand: I do not, as I try to use useradd, because that can be controlled by swiches. |
| 19:02.38 | wastr2 | or at least add modules |
| 19:02.39 | xingu | setuid: I think there's some holes in your results then. :) |
| 19:02.44 | setuid | wastr2, You'll need to build your own version of ibm_acpi, yes |
| 19:02.44 | wastr2 | let me check apittude |
| 19:03.16 | xand | Leonidas: so can adduser |
| 19:03.23 | stew | Danielss89: you'll have to unzip it first then |
| 19:03.33 | keith4 | whoever thought it was a good idea to have 'adduser' and 'useradd' ? |
| 19:03.40 | wastr2 | setuid: ibm_acpi doesn't appear to be running |
| 19:03.49 | setuid | xingu, I used the straight packages, no patches or weirdness.... I wanted baseline comparisons. I tweaked the configs for squid to try to achive the performance Apache2 was getting. On Apache1 + mod_gzip on a 32-bit UP machine, Squid was pushing about 3k reqs/sec. Apache on the same public port on the same arch was doing about 1.5k/sec. |
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| 19:03.51 | jelly | setuid: the current versions have a module option to enable that, don't they? |
| 19:04.02 | xingu | setuid: which apache? |
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| 19:04.07 | wastr2 | setuid: is that somewhere in the kernel build tui? |
| 19:04.10 | setuid | xingu, I moved to a dual-core 64-bit machine, apache2/mod_deflate, etc. Squid is now pushing about 1k/sec. while Apache is pushing over 4k. |
| 19:04.14 | Debianix | hola, was wondering, is there any software that can handle mobile phone on linux |
| 19:04.20 | setuid | jelly, Yes, but not full-speed |
| 19:04.34 | jelly | setuid: it has the "unbound speed" |
| 19:04.35 | setuid | wastr2, I have no idea what a 'tui' is |
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| 19:04.43 | setuid | jelly, they incorporated it then? |
| 19:04.50 | Debianix | i am trying to connect to my mobile phone via usb, but doesn't seen to be working, its a samsung e-900 |
| 19:04.54 | Debianix | any ideas ?? |
| 19:04.54 | setuid | I don't think its the same thing |
| 19:04.54 | King_Brad | hello, where do i go in Debian Lenny to change a users home directory? |
| 19:04.57 | zinx | setuid: text user interface |
| 19:05.04 | jelly | setuid: lemme take a look, I might misremember |
| 19:05.08 | zinx | setuid: i assume he means make menuconfig |
| 19:05.24 | setuid | wastr2, No, download the ibm_acpi package and I'll show you how to build it |
| 19:05.29 | Leonidas | xand: I see, it's DIR_MODE. But I don't want to edit adduser.conf, as I want to run it from a script and changing adduser.conf is not very clean |
| 19:05.37 | xingu | setuid: right; the threaded mpm is a good thing; but if you combine a frontend like haproxy to distribute load to multiple squid instances, each bound to a nominated core, you'd have a more fair comparison |
| 19:06.01 | mick_home | setuid: thanks - i'm getting quanta right now |
| 19:06.05 | xingu | setuid: migration across cores, which the kernel will do to mitigate interrupt verses user process load, is expensive. |
| 19:06.16 | setuid | xingu, Can't use threaded mpm on Debian with PHP5, the packge forbids it |
| 19:06.22 | xingu | setuid: if you don't force the scheduler's hand, you'll probably discover a pathological worst case |
| 19:06.22 | mick_home | sometimes these things are easier to conceptualize ideas |
| 19:06.44 | setuid | xingu, There's another httpd/proxy out there, I can't remember the name now, but it blows Squid+Apache2 out of the water by 5-6x. |
| 19:06.46 | King_Brad | how do i change a users home directory in Debian Lenny ? |
| 19:06.53 | setuid | All written in C++, tight little thing |
| 19:07.01 | setuid | King_Brad, edit /etc/passwd |
| 19:07.05 | King_Brad | ty |
| 19:07.09 | stew | King_Brad: man chfn |
| 19:07.10 | xand | no, don't do that |
| 19:07.12 | xand | use usemod |
| 19:07.14 | xand | +r |
| 19:07.29 | xand | usermod -d /home/blah user |
| 19:07.29 | xingu | setuid: I've always wanted to, but never had a good enough excuse to, check out delegate. |
| 19:07.36 | jelly | xingu: what a "wonderful" hack... N cores, N squid instances and a load balancer on a single machine! :-) |
| 19:07.37 | wastr2 | ok thanks setuid |
| 19:07.40 | xingu | setuid: it looks like an interesting design |
| 19:07.45 | stew | setuid: if you are going to recommend that someone edit /etc/passwd directctly, which is probably not a good idea, at least tell them to explicity use vipw |
| 19:07.49 | xingu | jelly: :) |
| 19:07.55 | Rockj | setuid: varnish you are thinking of? :) |
| 19:07.56 | xand | Leonidas: files in /etc are meant to be edited |
| 19:08.02 | setuid | Rockj, No |
| 19:08.04 | Roey | xingu: jelly? |
| 19:08.05 | setuid | Some Russian project |
| 19:08.08 | Roey | xand: heya man |
| 19:08.11 | xand | hi |
| 19:08.16 | Leonidas | xand: but not by scripts which are supposed to be run by sudo. |
| 19:08.16 | setuid | I'll grep my irc logs, we talked about it in #apache awhile back |
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| 19:08.33 | xand | Leonidas: if it's a script, you could just chmod the directory |
| 19:08.37 | xingu | jelly: almost as good as having a threaded proxy server to start with ;) |
| 19:08.56 | jelly | xingu: that wouldn't be fun at all |
| 19:09.24 | Leonidas | xand: Yeah, whats probably what I have to do. Unfortunately thats another thing that I have to add to the sudo permissions :/ |
| 19:09.25 | Roey | jelly: ah. Nice nick |
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| 19:09.53 | xingu | setuid: what I find annoying about the apache mod_proxy is the way it has a tendancy to keep sockets open well past their use-by; squid has lots of code in there for getting rid early. |
| 19:10.00 | wastr2 | setiud: which patch do I need |
| 19:10.08 | wastr2 | er setuid |
| 19:10.24 | wastr2 | my kernel will be 2.6.20 |
| 19:10.37 | wastr2 | so probably the 2.6.20 patch? |
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| 19:10.44 | setuid | xingu, mod_proxy in 2.x and 1.x is still broken, in that it can't handle query terms in a URI, or more than one level deep in a URL |
| 19:10.55 | fyrestrtr | what package should I install to get the mouse working in the console? |
| 19:10.58 | setuid | You can proxy static HTML pages only, and only to 1-level deep |
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| 19:11.09 | chops | fyrestrtr: gpm |
| 19:11.11 | xingu | setuid: also - the best-for-low-latency squid storage system is "null" |
| 19:11.14 | setuid | They recognize it, and there are some hacky rewrite workarounds, but nothing I'd put into prodcution |
| 19:11.20 | EmleyMoor | My keyboard no longer types English pound signs - it types 3 instead. Why would it do that? |
| 19:11.24 | fyrestrtr | chops: cheers. |
| 19:11.33 | xingu | setuid: what I do like about mod_proxy, is that it's inet6-capable. :) |
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| 19:11.41 | simonrvn | EmleyMoor: stuck shift key? :P |
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| 19:11.57 | setuid | xingu, mod_proxy is useless for me, I don't serve static content |
| 19:11.57 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: you have a secret desire to be an american ? |
| 19:12.06 | EmleyMoor | simonrvn: No - it types all other shifted characters perfectly |
| 19:12.12 | chops | EmleyMoor: Sounds like it might be physical damage to the keyboard... does it do the same from the BIOS, or just when booted into Debian? |
| 19:12.18 | EmleyMoor | abrotman: No - it types 3, not # |
| 19:12.22 | simonrvn | note the tongue in cheek dear ;) |
| 19:12.27 | xingu | setuid: fair enough, this explains the greater part of your result-set too; squid isn't the right tool for a http frontend |
| 19:12.32 | xingu | setuid: haproxy on the other hand... |
| 19:13.03 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: what is that symbol? |
| 19:13.04 | EmleyMoor | chops: I am almost certain it is Debian's doing - though I am tempted to try another keyboard |
| 19:13.05 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:13.08 | setuid | xingu, Perhaps, but with Squid, we were seeing a decent 400% speedup on UP/32-bit |
| 19:13.14 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: tried a livecd or another user ? |
| 19:13.33 | xingu | setuid: needs analysis to work out where the speedup is coming from maybe |
| 19:13.59 | EmleyMoor | abrotman: Not that interested in rebooting this machine... will look how it works for other users |
| 19:14.00 | Azar | good morning honorables! |
| 19:14.16 | Azar | anyone knows latin here? need translation: http://www.thedailywtf.com/Images/200707/error'd/eyewear.png |
| 19:14.32 | stew | Azar: its not latin |
| 19:14.40 | Azar | stew, what then? greek? |
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| 19:14.48 | stew | Azar: lorem ipsum is gibberish |
| 19:15.10 | simonrvn | Azar: it's just used as filler text |
| 19:15.11 | setuid | not exactly |
| 19:15.17 | setuid | Its filler text, but it is latin |
| 19:15.19 | Azar | uh is funny, sorry for the o/t |
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| 19:15.25 | jelly | Azar: look up lorem ipsum in wikipedia |
| 19:15.25 | setuid | http://www.lipsum.com/ |
| 19:15.52 | rahul | huh? |
| 19:15.52 | Azar | cool... going to check it |
| 19:15.52 | setuid | Contrary to popular belief, Lorem Ipsum is not simply random text. It has roots in a piece of classical Latin literature from 45 BC, making it over 2000 years old. Richard McClintock, a Latin professor at Hampden-Sydney College in Virginia, looked up one of the more obscure Latin words, consectetur, from a Lorem Ipsum passage, and going through the cites of the word in classical literature, discovered the undoubtable source. Lorem Ipsum comes from sectio |
| 19:15.52 | setuid | ns 1.10.32 and 1.10.33 of "de Finibus Bonorum et Malorum" |
| 19:15.52 | rahul | it's from cicero |
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| 19:16.48 | jelly | And now you know ...! -- brought to you by the fine folks of #debian |
| 19:17.49 | simonrvn | Section 1.10.32 of "de Finibus Bonorum et Malorum", written by Cicero in 45 BC |
| 19:17.55 | Azar | wow, _awesome_ |
| 19:18.01 | simonrvn | 1914 translation by H. Rackham |
| 19:18.03 | setuid | xingu, FOund it: http://wiki.codemongers.com/Nginx |
| 19:18.08 | setuid | http://nginx.net/ |
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| 19:18.39 | rahul | it's not actually that in the text |
| 19:18.40 | xingu | setuid: cheers |
| 19:18.54 | rahul | the standard lorem ipsum is missing characters from the cicero text |
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| 19:19.11 | rahul | Neque porro quisquam est qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit . . . ("There is no one who loves pain itself, who seeks after it and wants to have it, simply because it is pain . . .") |
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| 19:19.42 | abrotman | !gijoe jelly |
| 19:19.42 | dpkg | Now you know, jelly, and knowing is half the battle. Yo Joe! |
| 19:19.49 | Azar | rahul: that's kinky man, and kinky is o/t drop it! |
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| 19:20.03 | rahul | kinky is very on-topic in #botsex |
| 19:20.05 | wastrod | set setuid, i definitely need your help :) |
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| 19:20.12 | setuid | wastrod, what? |
| 19:20.12 | wastrod | my laptop just shut down |
| 19:20.22 | setuid | How can I help that? |
| 19:20.22 | wastrod | with the ibm_acpi thing |
| 19:20.31 | setuid | What did you do? |
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| 19:20.35 | wastrod | (im the same guy from a second ago0 |
| 19:20.40 | wastrod | overheated |
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| 19:20.48 | setuid | You downloaded the ibm_acpi source, and then what? |
| 19:21.07 | wastrod | i didn't change anything to cause it to shut down |
| 19:21.15 | wastrod | i just need to work on fixing it |
| 19:21.26 | wastrod | downloaded ibm_acpi source |
| 19:21.28 | setuid | Right, but after you downloaded the source ,what did you do? It just shut down after the download completed? |
| 19:21.32 | wastrod | got the kernel source as well |
| 19:21.37 | wastrod | yeah basically |
| 19:21.43 | wastrod | have to wait for it to cool down a little |
| 19:21.44 | rahul | people who seek after pain are after the endorphin high that results |
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| 19:22.10 | wastrod | i need to patch the kernel right? |
| 19:22.29 | xingu | rahul: or, in the case of industry professionals, the paycheck that results. |
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| 19:22.36 | rahul | heh |
| 19:22.38 | setuid | xingu, I host 164 domains and about 300 separate sites spread across those.. I'd love to try nginx, but taking everyone down would be... not wise :) |
| 19:22.43 | setuid | wastrod, Nope |
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| 19:22.57 | setuid | wastrod, No patching of the kernel, no kernel building required |
| 19:23.03 | rahul | xingu: I would hope they don't SEEK things that are more painful to do |
| 19:23.06 | wastrod | ah ok |
| 19:23.10 | wastrod | so just build the source |
| 19:23.16 | setuid | No |
| 19:23.21 | xingu | rahul: the client^wcustomer is always right! |
| 19:23.34 | setuid | wastrod, Unpack ibm_acpi, and follow my instructions: |
| 19:23.50 | setuid | Lemme see what version they're using now |
| 19:23.52 | setuid | just a sec. |
| 19:23.53 | xingu | setuid: please tell me you've got a test lab. :) |
| 19:23.58 | setuid | xingu, I do, sort-of |
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| 19:24.06 | setuid | xingu, Just not fully migrated to 2.2.3 there yet |
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| 19:24.34 | d00gster | guys I'm running on debian and have a mobo with a built in intel video card (82865G Integrated) I bought a vga-rca|svid adaptor hoping to spit the signal on rca to me tv. I installed xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-video-intel-dbg and configured my xorg with the interactive configurator. I was hoping that someone can tell me how to get the signal on rca. |
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| 19:26.09 | chops | d00gster: Step 1 is to try to old i810 driver from snapshot.debian.org; the new intel driver seems to have quite a bit of new functionality some of which is buggy |
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| 19:26.26 | xingu | setuid: it'd be worth your while looking into haproxy as the front end of the farm regardless of what else you do as a mid-tier proxy; what it does, it does well. |
| 19:26.34 | setuid | xingu, No farm |
| 19:26.48 | setuid | xingu, Its one box hosting the sites at this point, that same box used to also run Squid instances |
| 19:26.48 | chops | d00gster: Specifically the functionality to switch outputs around and select them. There's a lot more flexibility in the new intel driver, but some of the new functionality was broken the last time I saw it. |
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| 19:27.19 | xingu | setuid: aah; well - if you ever scale sideways... |
| 19:27.53 | simonrvn | setuid: what arch is it? |
| 19:27.53 | setuid | Depends on power costs at this point, we're already eating $180/US/month to keep the servers up |
| 19:28.05 | d00gster | I don't think I have a right xorg.conf |
| 19:28.08 | setuid | simonrvn, The boxes? AMD64/4600+, one Debian, one BSD |
| 19:28.17 | d00gster | I am assuming the the switch is in that file? |
| 19:28.19 | xingu | setuid: my own experience with squid is that it doesn't like to share much; you can colocate concurrent squid instances, but running squid and content are orthogonal workloads |
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| 19:28.43 | setuid | I bought a Watts-Up Pro to test some of the equipment in the office.. my LCD eats 90W while lit, which is 10W _more_ than the 21" Hitachi CRT it replaced. |
| 19:28.53 | simonrvn | xingu: that's what i've heard, hence me never having installed it anywhere |
| 19:28.58 | xingu | setuid: squid is happy enough if you let it hog a cpu and bound its memory; it's not a good pick expecting it to fair-share resource with other processes. |
| 19:29.08 | simonrvn | setuid: O_O |
| 19:29.10 | setuid | xingu, Agreed |
| 19:29.20 | setuid | simonrvn, My dehumidifier eats 687W |
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| 19:30.01 | simonrvn | move to nevada or new mexico (if the dineh let you ;p) |
| 19:30.13 | setuid | And lose custody of my little one? No way |
| 19:30.24 | simonrvn | was j/k dude |
| 19:30.26 | setuid | I know |
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| 19:30.40 | xingu | setuid: little tricks like using the null storage module help heaps; the index that the non-bitbucket alternatives require is nontrivial size-wise and saps memory bandwidth to boot |
| 19:30.41 | simonrvn | didn't know about your kid |
| 19:30.46 | d00gster | chops, any thought on that? |
| 19:30.48 | setuid | tis ok |
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| 19:31.14 | setuid | xingu, I was thinking of making a little embedded iRam machine |
| 19:31.21 | setuid | Give it 8gb of i-ram, and point there |
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| 19:31.29 | wastrod | setuid: I think the latest version is 1.6.20.2 |
| 19:31.31 | xingu | setuid: other little tricks like napi capable hardware and at least making sure that the nic interrupt ends up on the same physical cpu package help too |
| 19:31.40 | setuid | wastrod, I use 0.11, which works solidly |
| 19:32.02 | wastrod | ok |
| 19:32.03 | chops | d00gster: I'm not sure -- I've told you basically all I know about selecting outputs :-(. Sorry. |
| 19:33.14 | simonrvn | ugh debian's version of nginx is old |
| 19:33.34 | setuid | wastrod, making you a diff and a tarball now |
| 19:33.39 | xingu | setuid: haproxy on the other hand is rather easy to get right; it does what it says on the tin; for reliability reasons I'd suggest that the classic drop would be two nodes - either round-robin dns or vrrpd, your pick - just acting as the http front-end only, farming the actual work out to mid- or bottom tier apache instances behind them |
| 19:34.01 | setuid | xingu, If I get a third server, I'll consider that |
| 19:34.09 | setuid | Need to fund it through our google ads first |
| 19:34.13 | setuid | We're still paying these down |
| 19:34.23 | setuid | Should be a few more months |
| 19:34.30 | xingu | just as well the sw licence costs are low. ;) |
| 19:34.30 | setuid | OSS project funding, not easy. |
| 19:34.39 | simonrvn | you actually get $$ from those? |
| 19:34.47 | setuid | simonrvn, Quite a bit, actually |
| 19:34.59 | xingu | simonrvn: he's #1 for "boobies" |
| 19:35.05 | setuid | simonrvn, Right now, they're paying bandwidth + power bills per-month, and after we moved from 32-bit to 64-bit, they doubled. |
| 19:35.07 | simonrvn | across a few hundred sites maybe |
| 19:35.16 | setuid | simonrvn, Our top earners are 4 websites |
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| 19:35.25 | simonrvn | all porn i bet |
| 19:35.26 | setuid | We jsut get a _lot_ of traffic, and our content is very relevant |
| 19:35.34 | setuid | simonrvn, plkr.org, pilot-link.org, jpilot.org, gnu-designs.com |
| 19:35.35 | gimmal | anyone's ever had experience making a dual-boot linux/vista-mess system, using just the craptastic vista bootloader? |
| 19:35.39 | setuid | No porn |
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| 19:35.52 | setuid | simonrvn, And the ads are very not-in-your-face |
| 19:36.00 | Supaplex | gimmal: www.goodbye-windows.com |
| 19:36.02 | simonrvn | google ads never are |
| 19:36.02 | setuid | I jsut put a new site up, http://projects.plkr.org/ |
| 19:36.17 | setuid | simonrvn, Some people stick them right in the middle of article content, or splatter them in weird places |
| 19:36.18 | setuid | I don't |
| 19:36.18 | simonrvn | arrangement counts for a lot too |
| 19:36.29 | gimmal | I found http://port25.technet.com/archive/2006/10/13/Using-Vista_2700_s-Boot-Manager-to-Boot-Linux-and-Dual-Booting-with-BitLocker-Protection-with-TPM-Support.aspx supposed to be about such, but it ain't working -- after having lilo written to the root linux part, then using a vist-archy-built DD to copy the 512 bytes from the head of the part, vista still won't boot it |
| 19:36.45 | gimmal | Supaplex: i could wish it was an option |
| 19:36.59 | simonrvn | setuid: i hate that, right in the middle of the content, it's intrusive and makes me want to ignore it even more |
| 19:37.13 | setuid | simonrvn, AdBlock :) |
| 19:37.21 | gimmal | a phucking dual-boot system should phucking work, even with the craptastic vista being as it is -- so i'd like to think |
| 19:37.28 | setuid | though, being a person who relies on AdSense for funding, I can't really condone that |
| 19:37.36 | simonrvn | when i'm using firefox or iceweasel, always ;) |
| 19:38.07 | setuid | simonrvn, Check out what I did to our Mailman interface too: http://lists.pilot-link.org/pipermail/pilot-link-devel/2007-June/001663.html |
| 19:38.09 | setuid | Not too painful |
| 19:38.24 | setuid | I use them to index our content too, which helps a LOT |
| 19:38.47 | setuid | Search for 'palm html' and we're the top hit in Google |
| 19:39.01 | setuid | 'offline palm' is #3 |
| 19:39.04 | simonrvn | i'm not seeing ads at all, must be w3m |
| 19:39.06 | setuid | So we're doing well for PR |
| 19:39.30 | simonrvn | i have no funding beyond what i find in dumpsters/donations |
| 19:39.33 | Debianix | so how can you put yourself to be on the first search page of google ? |
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| 19:39.42 | setuid | simonrvn, We get some donations, but not a lot |
| 19:39.53 | setuid | A lot more fraudulent donations (which costs _us_ money) than anything else |
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| 19:40.20 | setuid | Someone donates to our project using a stolen card, then 2 weeks later, disputes it, and PayPal takes the donation back and charges us $10.00 for the chargeback fee. |
| 19:40.23 | setuid | Bastards. |
| 19:40.44 | simonrvn | lowlifes |
| 19:40.46 | chops | setuid: Good old Paypal |
| 19:40.50 | xingu | I'd be a lot happier about paypal if they were regulated as a bank. |
| 19:40.59 | simonrvn | !nuke paypal |
| 19:41.01 | Debianix | how can paypal charge you for someone else mistake? |
| 19:41.02 | xingu | maybe I'm old fashioned |
| 19:41.12 | setuid | xingu, I think they are now that they offer credit cards |
| 19:41.17 | simonrvn | Debianix: unregulated. |
| 19:41.32 | Debianix | thats proper stupid |
| 19:41.35 | Debianix | i'd sue them |
| 19:41.36 | Debianix | ;P |
| 19:41.46 | chops | Debianix: Paypal can do anything they want. They can freeze your funds and not explain why. They can charge you for someone else's mistake. They can eat your fruit cup any time they want. It's like prison. |
| 19:41.49 | nanonyme | actually that's not the worst thing that could have happened |
| 19:41.53 | xingu | setuid: I haven't looked, but I'd be surprised if the cards weren't just the typical rebranding exercise. |
| 19:41.58 | nanonyme | they could have freezed the account for that |
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| 19:42.07 | nanonyme | they have been doing that |
| 19:42.12 | simonrvn | they've done some really disgusting things to people |
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| 19:42.26 | simonrvn | same for amazon |
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| 19:42.30 | Debianix | no, when i made my account with them, i try to add the account so people can transfer money on |
| 19:42.33 | setuid | We've been stuck with that PayPal scam about 3 times, so now I changed our PayPal buttons to indicate that donations are non-refundable |
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| 19:42.49 | Debianix | but i cancelled it, to see if i was getting any money, they sent me 3 pound sterling |
| 19:42.51 | Debianix | lol |
| 19:42.53 | setuid | Actually, I made quite a bit of cash on Amazon Marketplace selling old books and DVDs |
| 19:42.55 | Debianix | so i got them :sd |
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| 19:43.05 | gimmal | fwiw, going to try virtualbox and dump the muxing with the vista-crap-loader - http://www.virtualbox.org/ gpl'ed and all, looks great, rec'd by someone in #linpeople |
| 19:43.12 | wastrod | thanks seruid |
| 19:43.13 | setuid | I go to the local used bookstore, pick up a big box of books for $5.00 bulk, and resell them on Amazon for $5.00 apiece |
| 19:43.13 | xingu | www.paypalsucks.com if you want some anti-anti |
| 19:43.14 | Debianix | no refunds from meb:D |
| 19:43.18 | wastrod | setuid |
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| 19:43.25 | setuid | wastrod, Unpack that, compile it and install it |
| 19:43.25 | gimmal | hasta luego; like, keep it real, y0 |
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| 19:43.33 | setuid | wastrod, then I'll tell you where to put it and how to activate it |
| 19:43.44 | wastrod | ok let me check my laptop temp |
| 19:43.47 | wastrod | im on my desktop |
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| 19:44.10 | setuid | I'm hoping some of the work I'm doing to get Wikipedia/Wikiquote/etc. on the Palm will generate some decent revenue so we can fund 2.0 of Plucker and other side projects. |
| 19:44.36 | Debianix | something people don't realise the important of oss |
| 19:44.49 | xingu | setuid: the paypal.uk card is just a stock issuer mastercard |
| 19:45.06 | setuid | Debianix, What do you mean? |
| 19:45.09 | Debianix | its here to help them, instead of paying shit loads for mac or winblows software, they have their solutions right in from of them |
| 19:45.14 | xingu | setuid: which means still no regulation; it's no different to a high street store card |
| 19:45.23 | setuid | xingu, In the .uk, it might be different. |
| 19:45.36 | setuid | xingu, In the US, any credit card issuer who accepts transactions, must insure them. |
| 19:45.42 | setuid | FDIC and such |
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| 19:46.14 | Debianix | in the uk, if you pay by credit card, its insured |
| 19:46.21 | xingu | setuid: I'm reasonably conversant with the fdic ;) |
| 19:46.21 | Debianix | not with a debit card |
| 19:46.46 | bliss | hi |
| 19:46.52 | xingu | setuid: but google is helpfully localising all my drilling, hence finding the .uk end of things first. |
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| 19:47.12 | Debianix | ciao bliss |
| 19:47.29 | setuid | The disclaimer has helped for us, and also not pre-populating the donation form, so they can't say "I just clicked and it debited from my account!" |
| 19:47.39 | setuid | Now we make the donating user take an extra two steps before donating |
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| 19:47.42 | bliss | have a ethernet problem can someone take a look here http://pastebin.ca/628160 |
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| 19:48.35 | setuid | I can't believe my LCD eats 90W though, that's 30% of my entire office... and my office includes two 16-outlet power strips, filled with systems, chargers, external drives, lights, etc. |
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| 19:48.59 | titii | hi there |
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| 19:49.26 | cyda | how do i enable php5 on apache, i have the mod packages installed already |
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| 19:49.58 | gmcinnes | hi all, how can I find out which version of debian I'm on? |
| 19:49.59 | Debianix | huh |
| 19:50.05 | xingu | setuid: the paypal plus card is a issuer mastercard; ge money is the issuer. |
| 19:50.08 | titii | i have new installation of linux, and the mysql wrote me ...Access denied for user 'www-data'@'localhost' (using password: NO)... what is that mean? how can i fix it? i dont need the users and password authentifications... i have a intranet mysql ... thank you |
| 19:50.08 | Debianix | lol |
| 19:50.24 | xingu | setuid: again, no regulatory oversight implied - they're still not a regulated bank |
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| 19:51.00 | punzas | how to enable aspell to check spelling in real time in texmaker? |
| 19:51.10 | bkw | where should iceweasel plugins be installed? |
| 19:51.28 | Debianix | gmcinnes: uname -a might help |
| 19:51.31 | wastr2 | setuid: i get a compile error |
| 19:51.37 | wastr2 | driver_init previously declared |
| 19:51.40 | gmcinnes | Debianix: i tried that. it doesn't |
| 19:51.44 | simonrvn | ~/.mozilla/plugins is one place |
| 19:51.45 | apt | okay, simonrvn |
| 19:51.49 | wastr2 | er conflicting types |
| 19:51.57 | Debianix | what message does it say ? |
| 19:52.00 | setuid | wastr2, You need to edit out one line in the kernel source to let it build, then edit it again |
| 19:52.02 | simonrvn | ~forget /.mozilla/plugins |
| 19:52.02 | apt | i forgot /.mozilla/plugins, simonrvn |
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| 19:52.07 | setuid | wastr2, What line did it reference? |
| 19:52.11 | simonrvn | silly apt |
| 19:52.22 | wastr2 | linux device file |
| 19:52.25 | bkw | simonrvn: I'm running the flash plugin installer that want to know browser directory |
| 19:52.25 | wastr2 | let me edit the line |
| 19:52.43 | gmcinnes | Debianix: Linux dev 2.6.18-686 #1 SMP then some stuff about the date |
| 19:52.50 | Debianix | thats etch |
| 19:52.57 | punzas | how to enable aspell to check spelling in real time in texmaker? |
| 19:52.59 | gmcinnes | Debianix: perfect, thank you. |
| 19:53.02 | wastr2 | line 475 |
| 19:53.15 | simonrvn | bkw: install it from debian package. the installer is smart enough to figure it out if you insist on using it |
| 19:53.17 | Debianix | np |
| 19:53.27 | titii | i have new installation of linux, and the mysql wrote me ...Access denied for user 'www-data'@'localhost' (using password: NO)... what is that mean? how can i fix it? i dont need the users and password authentifications... i have a intranet mysql ... thank you |
| 19:54.01 | wastr2 | ok setuid, it was compiled successfully |
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| 19:54.46 | cyda | how do i enable php5 on apache, i have the mod packages installed already |
| 19:54.49 | setuid | wastr2, Ok, now do a 'make install' |
| 19:54.51 | gmcinnes | does apt keep logs of what its done anywhere? |
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| 19:55.04 | wastr2 | ok done |
| 19:55.05 | simonrvn | dpkg, and aptitude do |
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| 19:55.07 | setuid | wastr2, Then 'cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ && find . -name ibm_acpi.ko' |
| 19:55.46 | wastr2 | ok theres two |
| 19:55.51 | bkw | simonrvn: I did apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:55.52 | setuid | Right, one is the new one, one is the old one |
| 19:55.55 | abrotman | find $(uname -r) -name ibm_acpi.ko ? |
| 19:56.02 | gmcinnes | simonrvn: If I used apt-get will it show up in the dpkg logs? |
| 19:56.08 | simonrvn | bkw: then it's in the system dir |
| 19:56.15 | setuid | wastr2, Try this: ls `find $(uname -r) -name ibm_acpi.ko` |
| 19:56.21 | setuid | er, ls -l |
| 19:56.21 | simonrvn | gmcinnes: it'll show dpkg doing stuff |
| 19:56.31 | gmcinnes | simonrvn: ok. where they at? |
| 19:56.43 | simonrvn | /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 19:56.43 | gmcinnes | n/m. obvious. |
| 19:56.53 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 19:57.18 | wastr2 | do you want to know the new one? |
| 19:57.28 | setuid | wastr2, Move the new one on top of the old one |
| 19:57.30 | wastr2 | ok |
| 19:57.34 | bkw | simonrvn: should I just cp flashplayer.xpt libflashplayer.so to ~/.mozilla/plugins and restart iceweasel? |
| 19:57.38 | setuid | wastr2, Then rmmod ibm_acpi |
| 19:57.42 | setuid | wastr2, then depmod -a |
| 19:57.44 | simonrvn | bkw: don't need to |
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| 19:57.59 | setuid | wastr2, then do this: /sbin/modprobe ibm_acpi experimental=1 hotkey=enable,0xffff |
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| 19:58.32 | simonrvn | just restart iceweasel |
| 19:58.34 | bkw | simonrvn: I think I need that. the package install ended in Download done. |
| 19:58.34 | bkw | md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz |
| 19:58.34 | bkw | The Flash plugin is NOT installed. |
| 19:58.49 | wastr2 | ok done |
| 19:58.56 | simonrvn | rm the tarball and re-do it |
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| 19:58.57 | jeef | is there a way to tell what the library path for a system is? for instance, where a given header file might be expected to reside? i hope that's not a stupid question :) |
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| 19:59.06 | wastr2 | so my fan is overclocked now? |
| 19:59.10 | setuid | wastr2, Now do this: |
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| 19:59.17 | simonrvn | or --purge and install |
| 19:59.30 | wastr2 | ok right hotkey |
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| 19:59.34 | jelly | jeef: for one thing, libraries and header files are different things |
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| 19:59.36 | setuid | wastr2, grep speed /proc/acpi/ibm/fan |
| 19:59.44 | setuid | wastr2, what does it report? |
| 19:59.50 | yos87 | Hi |
| 20:00.03 | wastr2 | speed: 0 |
| 20:00.03 | wastr2 | commands: enable, disable, full-speed |
| 20:00.09 | setuid | wastr2, Now try this: |
| 20:00.10 | setuid | echo full-speed > /proc/acpi/ibm/fan |
| 20:00.15 | setuid | See if your fan kicks in |
| 20:00.18 | titii | i have new installation of linux, and the mysql wrote me ...Access denied for user 'www-data'@'localhost' (using password: NO)... what is that mean? how can i fix it? i dont need the users and password authentifications... i have a intranet mysql ... thank you |
| 20:00.19 | yos87 | I hae question, what is the best exif tag editor can I install on debian? |
| 20:00.28 | wastr2 | setuid: yes |
| 20:00.31 | setuid | titii, Add grant permissions for that user |
| 20:00.37 | setuid | wastr2, Now grep 'speed' again |
| 20:00.44 | jeef | jelly: eh, you get what i mean.. the directory in which a header file might be expected to reside |
| 20:00.46 | setuid | # grep speed /proc/acpi/ibm/fan |
| 20:00.46 | setuid | speed: 5252 |
| 20:00.46 | bkw | simonrvn: same again. |
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| 20:00.54 | titii | setuid aaah and how? this is the sql query? |
| 20:01.06 | bkw | simonrvn: can I copy both files to ~/.mozilla/plugins instead? |
| 20:01.08 | jelly | jeef: apt-file might help, /msg dpkg search |
| 20:01.11 | maxamillion | in etch it appears that openbox does not run my ~/.config/openbox/autostart.sh that i created, is this a know issue or is there just something i have missed? |
| 20:01.16 | wastr2 | setuid: speed is 5909 |
| 20:01.33 | setuid | titii: grant add,drop,alter,etc on database_name.* to www-data@localhost identified by 'SeekretPassword'; |
| 20:01.33 | yos87 | there is gimp, but it's not easy, and you cannot edit more then one pic in same time |
| 20:01.36 | jeef | jelly: i meant on any system, dpkg -L will help find the one i want, but i want a more generic way of finding them |
| 20:01.39 | setuid | wastr2, Can you hear a difference? |
| 20:01.46 | wastr2 | setuid: yes thanks :) |
| 20:01.58 | setuid | wastr2, Now try "enabled" instead of "full-speed" |
| 20:02.02 | setuid | Then grep 'speed' again |
| 20:02.04 | wastr2 | so will it kick in after reboot? |
| 20:02.14 | wastr2 | automatically i mean |
| 20:02.19 | setuid | wastr2, You'll have to tie some hotkeys to the fan speed, if you want... or just script it |
| 20:02.21 | jelly | jeef: packages.debian.org or apt-file for things that are not installed |
| 20:02.49 | wastr2 | setuid: now the speed is 3004 |
| 20:03.00 | titii | setuid i need the full access for all DBs and next created DB also for this user |
| 20:03.07 | setuid | wastr2, good, so it works |
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| 20:03.18 | simonrvn | bkw: go ahead, just a pain to keep updated |
| 20:03.20 | setuid | titii, No, that's very dangerous |
| 20:03.28 | setuid | titii, Minimal permissions, not maximal |
| 20:03.35 | wastr2 | setuid: what was the hotkey you used for the modprobe |
| 20:03.40 | wastr2 | 0xffff |
| 20:03.43 | setuid | 'grant all' would be slower, and open your sql database up to remote exploits |
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| 20:03.54 | titii | setuid but then i have to using the login and pass into DB access into php scripts? |
| 20:03.56 | setuid | wastr2, Check the README, it should all be in there |
| 20:04.00 | wastr2 | ok thanks again |
| 20:04.07 | setuid | wastr2, sure |
| 20:04.25 | setuid | wastr2, cat /proc/acpi/ibm/thermal |
| 20:04.35 | jelly | titii: that is the common way things are done (setting db auth. parameters in a config file) |
| 20:04.36 | setuid | see if your temps drop |
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| 20:04.41 | Qwell[] | You guys seen any issues with "don't know how to handle OS specific section `.gnu.hash' [0x6ffffff6]"? libc6 is causing me a ton of grief right now... |
| 20:04.58 | setuid | Qwell[], what app? |
| 20:05.05 | Qwell[] | running something in gdb specifically |
| 20:05.10 | titii | jelly config in a mysql? |
| 20:05.25 | jelly | titii: no, in your php app |
| 20:05.31 | Debianix | laters |
| 20:05.42 | Qwell[] | I've tried building my app with gcc 4.1.1, 4.1.2, 4.1.3, and 4.2...none of them are happy |
| 20:05.50 | setuid | jelly, This is precisely why php apps get 0wned |
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| 20:06.00 | setuid | Qwell[], I doubt the compilers are at fault |
| 20:06.06 | titii | jelly ok but the mysql now report me Access denied for user 'www-data'@'localhost' (using password: NO) ... what i have to do? please help, i am lama for that |
| 20:06.10 | setuid | Those compilers are used to build the OS you're running :) |
| 20:06.15 | Qwell[] | these are the errors I was getting earlier - http://uuoc.com/1810 |
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| 20:06.20 | setuid | titii, Add permissions for www-data |
| 20:06.29 | Qwell[] | I get the same errors when trying to run ls in gdb, so it's clearly not an asterisk problem |
| 20:06.32 | setuid | titii, then put those credentials in your applicaiton's config file |
| 20:06.33 | titii | setuid ok but how? |
| 20:06.41 | setuid | titii, What app? |
| 20:06.49 | titii | setuid debian |
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| 20:07.13 | tbamr | !beer abrotman |
| 20:07.14 | setog3 | hi all, I try to enable nvidia flatpanel option but don't get the gpu scaling method in nvidia-settings is it normal ? is it due to the nvidia-settings package from debian or from my video card (geforce 6200) |
| 20:07.16 | jelly | setuid: they're badly written and sometimes use a badly written interpreter, putting db auth data in a config file is still better than hardcoding in the app ;-) |
| 20:07.49 | tbamr | anyone know how long this damn thunderbird build's going to take ? |
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| 20:08.06 | tbamr | already taken me 30 minutes |
| 20:08.09 | setuid | jelly, oh of course |
| 20:08.19 | setuid | tbamr, 30 minutes? aw.... |
| 20:08.25 | simonrvn | ohnoz 30 minutes |
| 20:08.30 | setuid | hehehe |
| 20:08.33 | tbamr | setuid, yes. can't believe |
| 20:08.40 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 20:08.45 | setuid | I can't believe I used to wait over 30 minutes to download a 200k file over a mo-dem |
| 20:08.54 | simonrvn | patience, grasshopper |
| 20:08.55 | tbamr | setuid, heh |
| 20:08.56 | setuid | Wait until it completes, or use distcc+ccache |
| 20:08.58 | xingu | SUNW,UltraSPARC-IIi: [ID 880575 kern.warning] WARNING: [AFT1] Uncorrectable Memory Error on CPU0 at TL=0, errID 0x00027c09.9df4f38c |
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| 20:09.00 | xingu | bollocks. |
| 20:09.03 | tbamr | simonrvn, :( |
| 20:09.11 | setuid | tbamr, distcc+ccache |
| 20:09.29 | tbamr | setuid, and what's that ? |
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| 20:09.35 | xingu | amusingly, happened just as I was logging into sunsolve |
| 20:09.43 | titii | setuid i dont know what to dooooooo, but ok i want to use one login and pass for all DBs for the security, can U help how to do that? |
| 20:09.45 | setuid | tbamr, http://lists.samba.org/archive/distcc/2004q3/002614.html |
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| 20:10.01 | setuid | titii, No, every db should have its own username and password |
| 20:10.10 | jelly | tbamr: if you have a multicore / SMP machine, are you aware of make's -j option? |
| 20:10.12 | setuid | NEVER reuse the same username or password across your databses |
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| 20:10.29 | titii | setuid why not? so is there another solution for using one user and pass? |
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| 20:10.49 | tbamr | jelly, but how is this related to multicores ? |
| 20:11.04 | jelly | tbamr: heh heh heh. |
| 20:11.24 | tbamr | jelly, i am waiting waiting :( |
| 20:11.41 | tbamr | and the page says not to use configure script directly |
| 20:11.43 | titii | setuid ? |
| 20:11.44 | tbamr | which is pita |
| 20:11.52 | simonrvn | titii: that's not secure at all, one user/pass for all of them. not smart |
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| 20:12.12 | jelly | tbamr: if you had used -j, and if you have a SMP machine, make would use more (all) of the cores for building |
| 20:12.14 | setuid | titii, You should never use the same username/password across applications |
| 20:12.20 | setuid | titii, Think about it, its VERY bad to do that |
| 20:12.26 | setuid | Major security hole waiting to be exploited |
| 20:12.32 | simonrvn | yup |
| 20:12.37 | Qwell[] | ugh, can't apt-src install gdb, since there is no dejagnu package |
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| 20:12.45 | titii | simonrvn setuid but i am using intranet DB... the DB isnt accessible from out |
| 20:12.51 | simonrvn | titii: and? |
| 20:12.56 | chops | titii: Let me put it this way -- the last time the Debian servers were broken into, it was because people were reusing passwords across various accounts. |
| 20:13.04 | jelly | tbamr: that's assuming your app Is using makefiles for building, I don't know if that's the case |
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| 20:13.22 | setuid | titii, So? |
| 20:13.26 | setuid | titii, Get in the habit of good practices |
| 20:13.39 | tbamr | jelly, it's not smp :( and secondly it uses makefiles but still no use "-j" :( |
| 20:13.41 | simonrvn | lazy admin == r00ted machines |
| 20:13.43 | yos87 | i found this program here, i install it , but it's not working, it seems very good in the screenshot |
| 20:13.43 | titii | setuid ok so how it works? |
| 20:13.45 | setuid | titii, Do you know every single one of your users personally? Do you know every single person who has access to your network, personally? |
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| 20:13.53 | tbamr | jelly, just wait |
| 20:13.56 | tbamr | :( |
| 20:14.07 | jelly | tbamr: well, just wait then |
| 20:14.16 | setuid | titii, How does what work? Assign permissions to your database, give it a password, and put the username/password in your applications configuration file |
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| 20:14.19 | titii | setuid this i only mine server for my using |
| 20:14.27 | simonrvn | tbamr: patience, grasshopper |
| 20:14.30 | tbamr | jelly, yeah. thanks for pointing out though |
| 20:14.30 | chops | titii: The DB isn't accessible from the outside _that_you_know_of_. If you were really 100% sure that it would never be accessed from outside, you wouldn't have to put a password in place at all. You should do things correctly in more situations than those where you can prove to yourself that doing them incorrectly will lead to a failure. |
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| 20:14.52 | tbamr | simonrvn, okay patience i take |
| 20:14.54 | tbamr | :) |
| 20:15.18 | titii | chops that mean? |
| 20:15.33 | setuid | Remember too, internal breaches are 70% of the number of hacks to corporations |
| 20:15.56 | tbamr | setuid, that's mostly exploits in attachment imho ? |
| 20:16.09 | setuid | tbamr, attachments? |
| 20:16.17 | titii | Access denied for user 'www-data'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 20:16.20 | tbamr | setuid, mail attachments |
| 20:16.22 | tbamr | :) |
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| 20:16.27 | setuid | That's email, we're not talking about email, we're talking about direct, remote (internal/external) SQL injection and other things. |
| 20:16.33 | chops | titii: There's a right way to do things and a wrong way to do things. Having separate passwords for different accounts is the right way. |
| 20:16.35 | dkr | setuid: and 73.4% of statistics are made up on the spot. :p |
| 20:16.36 | tbamr | ah |
| 20:16.55 | jeef | jelly: i was hoping for a way to do it with some sort of ld* flag, whichever utility, not sure exactly :) |
| 20:17.11 | jeef | i imagine one of the ld utilities keeps tabs on the library path(s) |
| 20:17.17 | titii | chops ok i do that , but can you help me how to set it? now i have there an error Access denied for user 'www-data'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 20:17.23 | chops | titii: Saying "I'm going to do things wrong in this situation, because something else is providing my security so I don't need to worry" is a good way to get rooted. I've cleaned up enough rooted boxes in my time. Trust me :-) |
| 20:17.28 | setuid | http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=15439 |
| 20:18.00 | jelly | jeef: eh, ldconfig has nothing to do with headers (which are used only during compilation) |
| 20:18.07 | titii | chops ok for the security it should be better, but how to set? |
| 20:18.11 | titii | i am lamer |
| 20:18.12 | chops | titii: Let's see... "GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON foo.bar TO 'www-data'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'password';" I think |
| 20:18.25 | setuid | eeeeek! |
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| 20:18.36 | chops | titii: See the mysql docs for how to grant permissions to a new users |
| 20:18.37 | chops | *user |
| 20:18.39 | simonrvn | !lart chops |
| 20:18.44 | chops | simonrvn: ? |
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| 20:18.46 | setuid | s/PRIVILEGES// |
| 20:18.48 | jelly | setuid: at least there is a poassword :-) |
| 20:18.56 | titii | chops but howe to set using passwords |
| 20:19.00 | setuid | Its just 'grant all on...' |
| 20:19.06 | abrotman | grant all .. should be shot |
| 20:19.12 | setuid | I agree |
| 20:19.14 | chops | titii: You see that part where it says "password"? Write the password there :-) |
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| 20:19.20 | setuid | Not to mention the huge performance impact |
| 20:19.31 | jelly | performance impact? |
| 20:19.34 | setuid | 'grant all' is measurably slower |
| 20:19.36 | setuid | jelly, Yep |
| 20:19.45 | setuid | jelly, It has to reload the entire permissions structure for every query. |
| 20:19.53 | setuid | jelly, Common question, well-documented on mysql.com |
| 20:20.07 | chops | titii: See the mysql docs |
| 20:20.08 | jelly | setuid: gross |
| 20:20.21 | setuid | Not even root needs 'grant all' |
| 20:20.43 | titii | chops the docs,.. i know also,, but i am lamer to do that |
| 20:20.43 | setuid | whoa, when did this happen? http://books.google.com/books?id=sgMvu2uZXlsC&pg=PA220&lpg=PA220&dq=mysql+grant+all+performance&source=web&ots=frWBNmc8wy&sig=mhVHSSf7dzYtMFGyCOd7WVuRDSg#PPP1,M1 |
| 20:20.47 | jelly | mysql implementation details shock me more every day |
| 20:20.55 | abrotman | wait .. are you saying .. mysql sucks? |
| 20:20.55 | titii | how to set using authentification |
| 20:21.05 | chops | titii: Come on, man. |
| 20:21.31 | titii | chops icq? |
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| 20:21.38 | simonrvn | no you don't know the docs, otherwise you wouldn't be asking such simple questions answered by them |
| 20:21.48 | chops | titii: I told you exactly what to type (although apparently there are problems with it; you might ask abrotman and setuid to provide further details of what you should do instead). I told you to look at the docs to find out more. I'm not sure what else to tell you... |
| 20:22.31 | chops | titii: I used to not know the answer to that question, and then I read the docs, and now I do. So obviously it's possible to learn by reading the docs. :-) |
| 20:22.38 | abrotman | chops: i have problems with mysql in general :) |
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| 20:22.42 | setuid | Someone should /topic that ;) |
| 20:23.01 | setuid | -rw------- 1 root desrod 1799720960 Jul 20 00:11 perl5.8.8.core |
| 20:23.02 | setuid | ugh |
| 20:23.03 | abrotman | only ops can /topic |
| 20:23.08 | setuid | That's a 1.7 _gig_ core file |
| 20:23.16 | titii | chops i dont want to waste my time with docs, cause i know i cant do that because i dont understand that.. i am just webdeveloper, not linux man,. you know? |
| 20:23.24 | simonrvn | holy fuck |
| 20:23.27 | setuid | "waste my time with docs" |
| 20:23.32 | abrotman | setuid: 1.8 .. learn how to read :) |
| 20:23.33 | jelly | setuid: nice memory leak! |
| 20:23.35 | setuid | So you'll waste our time instead? |
| 20:23.49 | simonrvn | titii: *plonk* |
| 20:23.49 | setuid | jelly, I'll find out with some kdb action |
| 20:24.01 | simonrvn | !plonk |
| 20:24.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or or killfile. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. "Rodney, you plonker." |
| 20:24.05 | titii | setuid NO! IF U know what to do, it is faster more faster notM? |
| 20:24.16 | setuid | wow |
| 20:24.19 | setuid | the arrogance |
| 20:24.24 | chops | titii: Well, guess what? I don't want to waste my time helping you. Good luck. |
| 20:24.32 | setuid | titii, Sure, paypal me $65.00 and I'll fix and document your solution for you |
| 20:24.43 | titii | omg ok bye |
| 20:24.44 | setog3 | hmm, I think I find a clue .. my dfp device is recognize like a crt device by xorg and nvidia .. how can I force the dfp reco ? |
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| 20:24.59 | simonrvn | setuid: who? |
| 20:25.03 | EmleyMoor | "Plonk" is actually Australian slang for cheap wine. Derived from French, because it almost rhymes with "vin blanc". |
| 20:25.07 | setuid | simonrvn, who what? |
| 20:25.14 | abrotman | !customer |
| 20:25.15 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 20:25.17 | simonrvn | t"the arrogance" |
| 20:25.18 | setuid | vin plonk? :) |
| 20:25.27 | setuid | simonrvn, The arrogance of titii |
| 20:25.33 | setuid | <titii> setuid NO! IF U know what to do, it is faster more faster notM? |
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| 20:25.41 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 20:25.47 | setuid | I can't believe the 'gimme' generation we're breeding here |
| 20:25.59 | abrotman | !beer me |
| 20:26.00 | BluRay | hi.. i've put a debian and started to install it.. and now i see there's no ext3? why? |
| 20:26.02 | setuid | There's an enormous wealth of resources, docs, irc, forums, mailing lists, google... etc. |
| 20:26.05 | simonrvn | we didn't cause it |
| 20:26.22 | simonrvn | people expect something for nothing |
| 20:26.23 | setuid | fsck, when I started back in 1994, we were here on #linpeople banging heads together until someone had the right idea. There were no manpages, no forums, nothing like that. |
| 20:26.26 | abrotman | BluRay: uhm .. yes there is |
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| 20:26.38 | abrotman | setuid: there aren't man pages now ... |
| 20:26.48 | setuid | Now, its easier to find the exact answers to exact error messages, by googling |
| 20:26.53 | jelly | abrotman: took the words outa my mouth! |
| 20:26.56 | setuid | hahahaha |
| 20:26.58 | simonrvn | yup. i do that often |
| 20:26.59 | setuid | Hey, *I* write manpages |
| 20:27.02 | BluRay | abrotman, i didn't foudned it.. i can choose ext2, fat16, fat32, swap space.. |
| 20:27.05 | xingu | SUNW,UltraSPARC-IIi: [ID 566906 kern.warning] WARNING: [AFT0] Most recent 3 soft errors from Memory Module DIMM2 exceed threshold (N=2, T=24h:00m) triggering page retire |
| 20:27.09 | BluRay | i don't see ext3 |
| 20:27.11 | abrotman | !ig |
| 20:27.11 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 20:27.12 | setuid | And detailed HOWTO docs _with_ screenshots at ever step |
| 20:27.12 | xingu | bleurgh, there it goes again |
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| 20:27.21 | simonrvn | xingu: ouch |
| 20:27.43 | setuid | http://howto.pilot-link.org/evosync/eb.html |
| 20:27.47 | jelly | xingu: wow, it can has blaklisting ram? |
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| 20:27.50 | setuid | I even explain the common errors and how to fix them |
| 20:27.52 | setuid | hrmph |
| 20:28.00 | xingu | jelly: on the right hardware, yep. |
| 20:28.10 | xingu | jelly: this ain't the right hardware, it just panics :) |
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| 20:28.29 | setuid | Cannot access memory at address 0x800000000000 |
| 20:28.31 | jelly | xingu: I could steal a netra, is it right enough? |
| 20:28.34 | setuid | Lurvely |
| 20:28.35 | xingu | jelly: it's a hand-me-down ultra10; I think something has jiggled loose in the move and gotten upset in the humidity |
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| 20:29.06 | simonrvn | ok, i'm still ignoring titii he's still here |
| 20:29.09 | chops | setuid: Bad memory? That looks like a flipped bit. |
| 20:29.09 | xingu | jelly: depends what sort of netra; netra is just a name for the nebs-tested range. |
| 20:29.24 | setuid | chops, Not sure, the perl code is simple... just mirroring Wikimedia database dumps |
| 20:29.42 | chops | setuid: No, I mean it looks like a bad bit in physical memory |
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| 20:29.49 | jelly | xingu: X1 or T1 methinks, something oldish with a IIe |
| 20:30.04 | xingu | jelly: nope in that case |
| 20:30.08 | simonrvn | i think i'll go find myself a bead loom or something and start on my mocs fring... it's pouring rain right now. good cleansing rain not too hot to stand in |
| 20:30.12 | titii | can some give me an url document where a i can see how to turn the using passwords YES? Access denied for user 'www-data'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
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| 20:30.20 | setuid | chops, Oh that I don't know, its a FreeBSD box and the RAM is new, tested clean |
| 20:30.20 | jelly | xingu: I'd replace it with qemu-system-sparc if it worked :-) |
| 20:30.35 | stew | titii: how are you trying to connect to mysql? |
| 20:30.40 | chops | titii: www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=mysql+documentation+grant |
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| 20:30.48 | setuid | ah, jfgi |
| 20:30.52 | titii | stew website |
| 20:30.55 | simonrvn | setuid: 64 bit with 64 kernel? |
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| 20:30.58 | stew | chops: that is not going to tell him |
| 20:31.00 | chops | setuid: New memory is never defective :-) |
| 20:31.00 | setuid | simonrvn, Yessir |
| 20:31.05 | setuid | FreeBSD sixtyfour.gnu-designs.com 6.2-STABLE FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #12: Wed Jul 18 21:39:45 EDT 2007 root@sixtyfour.gnu-designs.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/sixfour amd64 |
| 20:31.06 | titii | stew i have a new installation of lniux |
| 20:31.08 | chops | stew: I already told him |
| 20:31.18 | simonrvn | ok |
| 20:31.28 | stew | titii: how is the website connecting? |
| 20:31.35 | chops | (16:17:40) chops: titii: Let's see... "GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON foo.bar TO 'www-data'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'password';" I think |
| 20:31.36 | chops | (16:18:03) chops: titii: See the mysql docs for how to grant permissions to a new users |
| 20:31.38 | simonrvn | odd error, maybe the ram's defective (and of course new ram can be defective) |
| 20:31.39 | jelly | chops: I want a mem.controller with raid6 for RAM and gobs of cheap fault memory :-) |
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| 20:31.51 | stew | chops: that doesn't solve his problem |
| 20:32.00 | BluRay | "And detailed HOWTO docs _with_ screenshots at ever step" |
| 20:32.00 | stew | chops: you are misunderstanding his question |
| 20:32.03 | BluRay | where can i found this? |
| 20:32.28 | setuid | BluRay, All of my HOWTO docs are that way |
| 20:32.30 | stew | titii: what language is the website written in? |
| 20:32.35 | setuid | BluRay, http://howto.pilot-link.org/ for examples |
| 20:32.46 | titii | stew it is a php i would to use mysql in php |
| 20:32.47 | chops | stew: You're right, I am. My bad. |
| 20:33.00 | setuid | BluRay, http://howto.pilot-link.org/bluesync/ea.html |
| 20:33.04 | setuid | for a decent example |
| 20:33.09 | setuid | All SGML -> html |
| 20:33.24 | setuid | my manpages are all written in XML and transformed to troff/html at compile time (pilot-link), etc. |
| 20:33.32 | setuid | Even my source code has exposed documentation |
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| 20:33.40 | stew | titii: are you calling mysql_connect? |
| 20:33.52 | setuid | http://doxygen.pilot-link.org/d9/dc0/dlp_8c.html |
| 20:34.00 | titii | stew yes i am using one database class he is connecting |
| 20:34.02 | simonrvn | wow, what a rarity, a dev who does docs ;p |
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| 20:34.12 | setuid | How does that quote go... "Something worth doing, is worth doing well." |
| 20:34.20 | simonrvn | for sure |
| 20:34.22 | setuid | simonrvn, yeah, also unemployed, 29 days today. Doh! |
| 20:34.32 | stew | titii: http://php.net/mysql_connect you must be ommitting the $password |
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| 20:34.51 | titii | stew before i didnt using the user and password in my scripts... i just put localhost, and all works, but now i can create some authentifications for secure |
| 20:34.52 | xingu | jelly: for fancy memory support (hot memory unplug) you need one of the newer sun fire systems; the UIIe vintage systems are largely designed for error detection and for some subsystems, error correction - they tend to achieve safe if untimely shutdown (ie, no data corruption, just system outage) |
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| 20:35.36 | xingu | jelly: there are exceptions to that in the high end range but I can't remember them offhand; I'd say - e4500 and up at a gess. |
| 20:35.40 | stew | titii: http://php.net/mysql_connect for the mysql_connect syntax. you'll need to add a user/password to mysql using the grant syntax that chops gave you |
| 20:35.57 | simonrvn | setuid: i run a public server on an old beige g3. best i can get, and has not enough ram :/ |
| 20:36.22 | xingu | jelly: for a netra t1 all you really get is error detection and a hardware watchdog (if you install the support for that) |
| 20:36.24 | setuid | simonrvn, not enough ram for what? I have two 350Mhz/400Mhz blue G3 iMacs here... they work great. |
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| 20:36.30 | xingu | jelly: netra x1 is worse than useless, bin it now. |
| 20:36.34 | simonrvn | the beige |
| 20:37.03 | simonrvn | Swap: 839648 300048 539600 |
| 20:37.04 | jelly | xingu: eh, largest we have are Fire 480 or 880 |
| 20:37.20 | titii | stew i know that ,, its ok, i using a lot of that direct function and so on... but before i didnt using user and pass for the DB.. you know? it is just my local database |
| 20:37.30 | titii | the DB isnt accessible from OUT |
| 20:37.43 | simonrvn | i make due ;) |
| 20:37.44 | xingu | jelly: both of those support hot unplug in sol10; the 480 obviously isn't servicable without an outage, but it will down a failed memory bank |
| 20:38.11 | BluRay | debian etch asks for loading some modules at start of installation.. do i have to load some or i only skip that step? |
| 20:38.15 | simonrvn | afk |
| 20:38.19 | jelly | xingu: good thing we're still on 5.9, then :-) |
| 20:38.34 | setuid | I should probably rebuild world on this, maybe that's why it cored |
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| 20:38.55 | xingu | jelly: I have tested the 880's hot pci unplug; I don't know if it's supposed to support hot cpu unplug and I haven't tested it. |
| 20:39.15 | titii | stew sorry if we cant understand but i thank to U for your willingness |
| 20:39.16 | stew | titii: i don't understand why you are asking then |
| 20:39.26 | xingu | jelly: both systems, the memory is part of the cpu logic board |
| 20:40.14 | mith | i wish our cfo didn't have an unfounded hatred of all things sun :( |
| 20:40.20 | mith | and an unfounded love of all things dell :( |
| 20:40.26 | mith | fucker |
| 20:40.48 | jelly | xingu: eh, we can down 'em both if we must. personally I've never seen a PCI card fail and needing hot[un]plugging on our machines, in 7 years * 150 machines |
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| 20:40.53 | chops | mith: Show him that Dell is losing ground to Gateway in consumer PC sales |
| 20:41.06 | titii | stew now i cant run my php scripts... i have there an error Access denied for user 'www-data'@'localhost' (using password: NO) in... but i thinking for the using password, that is the first point what i want , and the next stuff, how to creating the user and password for the access DB |
| 20:41.13 | mith | i dont care about consumer PC sales |
| 20:41.35 | jelly | mith: it matters what he cares (and responds to ;-) |
| 20:41.41 | chops | mith: Some people who will remain eternally loyal to kit regardless of how crappy will abandon it immediately if it looks more like "a loser" than "a winner" |
| 20:41.48 | titii | stew, can U understand me? |
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| 20:42.24 | chops | mith: Those are the key adjectives in his world (he guessed, without any information :-); technical merit is immaterial |
| 20:42.31 | stew | titii: you craete the user by running the "grant" statement in mysql |
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| 20:42.42 | setuid | Are you still on that? Wow. |
| 20:43.00 | chops | stew: ... and we come full circle :-) |
| 20:43.05 | titii | stew the GRANT create an user and password? |
| 20:43.18 | stew | titii: yes |
| 20:43.20 | setuid | titii, Please ask your system administrator to do this for you |
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| 20:43.43 | titii | stew ok the seccond question is answered... just the first... how to turn using password on |
| 20:44.09 | BluRay | "Capabilities of partman can be extended with installer modules, but are dependent on your system's architecture. So if you can't see all promised goodies, check if you have loaded all required modules (e.g. partman-ext3, partman-xfs, or partman-lvm)." |
| 20:44.21 | BluRay | i have to load ext3 module to see ext3 when partitioning? |
| 20:44.25 | stew | titii: by specifying a password to the mysql_connect function: http://php.net/mysql_connect |
| 20:44.28 | titii | setuid no one is accessible at the moment |
| 20:44.55 | mith | chops: well buyng hp or sun now would be annoying anyways because it just makes things easier when you have all similar hardware |
| 20:45.10 | titii | stew aaa really? so this is strange, ok i try something, for this moment more thanks to you friend |
| 20:45.20 | mith | chops: but if a couple of the machines we have keep deciding they no longer have a raid controller at random while running ... we might push for different hardware at that point :P |
| 20:45.45 | titii | stew it looks is there some one how can understand for the questions |
| 20:45.53 | titii | who |
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| 20:47.18 | xingu | jelly: neither have I, but sometimes it's useful to be able to add a new storage controller to a running system :) |
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| 20:48.10 | jelly | very true |
| 20:48.29 | ofer | is there a pacakge with C dev tools except build-essential ? |
| 20:48.35 | ofer | I mean the manpages and stuff |
| 20:48.40 | stew | ofer: manpages-dev |
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| 20:48.48 | aleksanteri | hey |
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| 20:49.25 | aleksanteri | how can i create .deb packages? |
| 20:49.42 | jelly | aleksanteri: out of what? |
| 20:50.00 | Philluminati | how do I change the res on my computer? The screen res in gnome doesn't go high enough |
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| 20:50.19 | aleksanteri | ... |
| 20:50.20 | xingu | pickcoder: the inside of a klein bottle |
| 20:50.36 | pickcoder | a void? |
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| 20:51.04 | titii | stew i just try to put the user test and the pass test, for my DB into mysql_connect, but i have still there usnig password NO Access denied for user 'www-data'@'localhost' (using password: NO), and i cant see anything about typing password for the user in the manual |
| 20:51.25 | aleksanteri | i meant how you can make a .deb package. the same things you use with dpkg to install. i know they must have come from somewhere, now i ask from where |
| 20:51.32 | titii | for the GRANT statement |
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| 20:51.41 | jelly | aleksanteri: possibly /msg dpkg mg, /msg dpkg mentors |
| 20:51.54 | aleksanteri | ok |
| 20:51.59 | Absolute0 | how do i get on my windows drive from linux? |
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| 20:52.10 | Absolute0 | just mount with -t ntfs option? |
| 20:52.15 | xand | TIAS |
| 20:52.37 | Skyrail_ | Is the whole Debian Etch installation GUI or does it start off in a command line sort of way...? |
| 20:52.56 | pickcoder | both |
| 20:52.59 | dyrne | Absolute0: youll need to set umask option at the least if you want regular users to have access. like mount -o umask=000 |
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| 20:53.28 | jelly | Skyrail_: it starts with a nice picture and a prompt beneath! |
| 20:53.37 | Absolute0 | should i use captive instead? |
| 20:53.41 | Absolute0 | for write support? |
| 20:53.44 | jelly | Absolute0: no |
| 20:53.54 | jelly | Absolute0: ntfs-3g for write support |
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| 20:54.09 | trombo | hello, I want to build a network connection from host debian to emulation-debian. Cannot cope with networking howto (do not recognize which is meant host or guest), could anyone help me? |
| 20:54.10 | Skyrail_ | Ok what about the net-install, is that GUI...? |
| 20:54.37 | pickcoder | same installer |
| 20:54.39 | trombo | or point me to a howto? |
| 20:54.39 | pickcoder | there is only one |
| 20:54.58 | Absolute0 | brb |
| 20:55.10 | Skyrail_ | ...damit, I must of done something wrong then :| |
| 20:55.25 | pickcoder | installgui at the boot prompt will run the gui install |
| 20:55.43 | pickcoder | if you hit <enter> it defaults to console/text/ncurses |
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| 20:55.56 | Skyrail_ | I'm still using the old installer...I swear I downloaded 4.0, yeh I did...gawd why did I go the confusing route of booting and installing it off the HD :( |
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| 20:56.41 | pickcoder | the beta installers had LVM config problems |
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| 20:56.58 | pickcoder | I dunno how much hair I've pulled out over that |
| 20:57.02 | stew | titii: what exactly does your call to mysql_connect look like? |
| 20:57.18 | stew | titii: the password goes into the "identified by..." part of the grant statement |
| 20:58.06 | setuid | wow, I can't believe bank employees are this uninformed... |
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| 20:58.33 | titii | stew mysql_connect('localhost','', ''...) |
| 20:58.35 | setuid | My mother just called from NM, said she got an email from Welles Fargo (coincidentally, her bank), 100% phishing email, so she called the bank directly, to ask if her account was really "locked" |
| 20:58.42 | paxed | how would i get nvidia drivers to work? the _legacy_ ones |
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| 20:59.08 | setuid | So the person she spoke to said "Your machine is infected with a keylogger, you need to go to another PC at a different location, and log into your bank, change your id and password immediately." |
| 20:59.09 | setuid | wtf. |
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| 20:59.44 | pickcoder | help desk scripts are nice |
| 20:59.49 | setuid | She is, of course... on a Mac, so most of this is not going to apply, but... come on. Another PC in a different location, which could also be infected, hijacked, keylogged, etc. Not wise to advocate that for customers. |
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| 21:00.17 | ryancr | i have a 64bit machine running debian etch in a 32bit vmware environment, when trying to install sun-java5-jdk it keeps telling me I need ia32-sun-java5-bin, any thoughts? |
| 21:00.31 | TheArthur | can i give "apt-get source" an argument telling it to use "http://my-mirror.com version main..." for this run, with out having to make a sources.list? |
| 21:00.57 | setuid | TheArthur, Just fetch the .deb and dpkg -i it |
| 21:01.05 | irule | add the sourcem, update, install, and delete source |
| 21:01.06 | Skyrail_ | pickcoder: it goes straigt into the console/text installation :( I'm using the Harddisk/Grub installation method so as soon as I select the thing in Grub it begins to install from there |
| 21:01.18 | titii | stew it will more much better if you can type me the full statement/s of creatig and user and password for accessing one DB |
| 21:01.20 | TheArthur | setuid, source packages actually, and i need it to pull deps |
| 21:01.31 | titii | stew example |
| 21:01.40 | pickcoder | Skyrail_: the GUI isn't that much different than the text installer |
| 21:01.50 | dyrne | setuid: i have not a great opinion of wells fargo cust support :) |
| 21:01.50 | pickcoder | except you can use the mouse and click on buttons |
| 21:01.52 | setuid | TheArthur, man apt-src |
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| 21:02.03 | Skyrail_ | pickcoder: ah, so I'm not missing out on much haha |
| 21:02.04 | TheArthur | irule, that wil work, was just hoping for something more elegant |
| 21:02.05 | setuid | dyrne, Reminds me why I stay with B of A |
| 21:02.10 | TheArthur | irule, thanks |
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| 21:02.19 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.50 | irule | TheArthur download the deb files and use dpkg? :s |
| 21:02.57 | irule | sorry lol |
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| 21:04.26 | irule | TheArthur you can also do an 'cp sources.list sources.list.original; echo blah blah>>sources.list; apt-get update ; apt-get install blah ; cp sources.list.original sources.list' |
| 21:05.27 | ryancr | is ia32-sun-java5-bin not just a 32bit compatibility package only for 64bit machines? |
| 21:05.34 | Azar | dumb people banking online eh |
| 21:06.02 | TheArthur | irule, i was hoping not to have to write a file, otherwise i will use -o Dir::Etc::SourceList filename |
| 21:06.22 | pickcoder | does sources.list support includes? |
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| 21:07.08 | pickcoder | doesn't look like it |
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| 21:08.02 | stew | titii: right, you need to specify a username and a password instead of '' and '' |
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| 21:08.25 | stew | titii: (for the mysql_connect function) |
| 21:08.42 | titii | stew done, i created the username and password... no error, so it looks done, i set it to the script, but still the same warning |
| 21:09.02 | stew | titii: what does your call to mysql_connect look like now |
| 21:09.11 | Niklas- | Hi. I was wondering if theres a way i can determine what ide controller a harddisk is attached? I got 2 controllers, one raid and one normal and i want to know if i'm running raid or not ;) |
| 21:10.08 | titii | stew aa mmt |
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| 21:10.27 | stew | titii: i didn't understand that |
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| 21:13.28 | nortalion | hi |
| 21:13.34 | nortalion | i've done a apt-get update |
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| 21:13.43 | nortalion | and now my kbd layouts doesn't seem to work |
| 21:13.52 | nortalion | any ideas what might have gone wrong ? |
| 21:14.07 | nortalion | i'm using kde and the layout-icon shows i'm switsching them |
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| 21:14.18 | nortalion | yet the input is all the same all the time |
| 21:14.22 | simonrvn | back, kinda |
| 21:14.36 | massctrl | anyone uses nxserver from nomachine ? |
| 21:15.10 | titii | stew moment |
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| 21:15.50 | streuner | nortalion: do you think it a KDE issue? |
| 21:16.17 | streuner | nortalion: what version of Debian? |
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| 21:18.30 | nortalion | streuner: no idea... |
| 21:18.36 | nortalion | and version is testing |
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| 21:18.57 | chops | nortalion: I've heard other people in this channel mention the same problem in the last few days; I'd check the BTS |
| 21:19.19 | JoeBlakesley | hi |
| 21:19.22 | nortalion | btw ? :) |
| 21:19.26 | nortalion | *bts ? |
| 21:19.27 | chops | nortalion: Though what package to check... I'm not sure. You could check the dpkg logs and see what's been upgraded that looks keyboard-layout-related |
| 21:19.32 | chops | !tell nortalion about bts |
| 21:19.34 | titii | stew ICQ< |
| 21:19.36 | titii | ? |
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| 21:19.53 | streuner | nortalion: apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 21:19.54 | nortalion | cute=] |
| 21:19.58 | nortalion | thanks |
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| 21:20.57 | streuner | both DE's are often broken in Debian (testing or unstable) |
| 21:21.00 | pheeror | hi, is it possible to manage chroot with aptitude like with pacman in archlinux? |
| 21:21.11 | streuner | just consider to change between *changes*... |
| 21:21.13 | mith | pheeror: that makes no sense |
| 21:21.17 | chops | pheeror: ? |
| 21:21.23 | titii | the mysql_connect has paramaters, which i set in the GRANT query... still it write the warning.. the same |
| 21:21.27 | mith | pheeror: why would a package manager have anything to do with chroot'ing anything |
| 21:21.33 | JoeBlakesley | does anynoe have any idea why something might be connecting to the net all the time (ethernet light flashing) since i upgraded from etch to testing |
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| 21:21.54 | streuner | nortalion: WM's usually more stable in testing or unstable |
| 21:21.56 | mith | JoeBlakesley: the haxors are obviously taking it over |
| 21:22.00 | chops | pheeror: You can make a chroot (with debootstrap), and then chroot to it and use aptitude from within it, if that's what you mean. I'm not familiar with pacman. |
| 21:22.01 | paxed | i installed some gnome stuff and now gdm took over the login. i don't want to start _any_ gfx login manglers. how do i make gdm just go away and not start again at reboot? |
| 21:22.07 | JoeBlakesley | or how i can find out which process it is |
| 21:22.09 | chops | paxed: Uninstall it |
| 21:22.12 | titii | still Access denied for user 'www-data'@'localhost' (using password: NO) it seems for another problem |
| 21:22.16 | JoeBlakesley | nothing obvious in prcess list |
| 21:22.16 | pheeror | chops: yes, it could be solution |
| 21:22.24 | mith | paxed: so turn off the init script |
| 21:22.34 | paxed | chops: great, that'll also remove the whole gnome desktop... |
| 21:22.35 | nortalion | well i believe i didn't update any kde-files at all, streuner |
| 21:22.40 | pheeror | with pacman you just do 'pacman -r /chroot -S perl' and here you go |
| 21:22.40 | chops | paxed: ? It shouldn't |
| 21:22.41 | nortalion | i only ran apt-get upgrade |
| 21:22.46 | nortalion | and no apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:22.53 | chops | nortalion: Boo |
| 21:22.54 | mith | chops: there's dependancies on it |
| 21:22.57 | streuner | nortalion: check out dpkg.log then |
| 21:22.59 | chops | nortalion: You should generally use dist-upgrade |
| 21:23.00 | mith | (gdm) |
| 21:23.12 | nortalion | chops: i didn't have that much time |
| 21:23.18 | chops | mith: What are the dependencies? I'd just expect there to be the single one on the universal gnome metapackage. |
| 21:23.37 | mith | chops: i don't remember, I don't have gnome installed here :P |
| 21:23.47 | paxed | chops: fast-user-switch-applet gdm gdm-themes gnome gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 21:24.37 | mith | paxed: just stop it and disable the init scripts and stop bitching |
| 21:24.42 | chops | paxed: Yeah, those are things that either (a) pull in all of gnome but don't provide anything themselves, or (b) require gdm in order to function correctly |
| 21:24.57 | paxed | mith: sorry, i'm just irritated. |
| 21:25.03 | nortalion | xfonts-encodings looks pretty suspicious to me |
| 21:25.03 | chops | paxed: If you want gdm around for the option of starting it manually (/etc/init.d/gdm), you can just disable /etc/rc2.d/Sxxgdm |
| 21:25.12 | nortalion | thanks for the help guys ! |
| 21:25.16 | chops | paxed: But removing the package is the generally-accepted way of removing the thing |
| 21:25.19 | nortalion | i'll see what i can do now |
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| 21:25.21 | blubberdiblub | Niklas-: you might be able to match the output of "lspci" with the output of "systool -v -b ide" |
| 21:25.46 | paxed | chops: disable, you mean remove the symlink? |
| 21:25.54 | chops | paxed: It won't hurt the rest of your gnome system to remove those packages. |
| 21:26.18 | chops | paxed: That's the simplest way, yes |
| 21:26.21 | paxed | chops: um. but i'd have to force the remove, right? and that'd make apt complain, right? |
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| 21:27.00 | chops | paxed: No. I'm advising you to remove gdm and also the packages that depend on it, since I don't think you need them. 'gnome' just means 'all of gnome' and depends on various packages; it doesn't provide any functionality itself. |
| 21:27.09 | Niklas- | blubberdiblub: systool returns: Bus = "ide" |
| 21:27.21 | chops | paxed: Since you're removing gdm, you won't have _all_ of gnome anymore, so the 'gnome' package being gone is correct :-) |
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| 21:28.44 | azerty2 | http://urlx.org/90077 |
| 21:28.47 | paxed | chops: hm. i think i'll just go for removing the symlink, at least that i know how to get back easily :P |
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| 21:28.50 | azerty2 | oops, sorry wrong window |
| 21:28.54 | paxed | chops: thanks |
| 21:28.55 | chops | paxed: Fair enough |
| 21:28.57 | chops | paxed: np |
| 21:29.03 | blubberdiblub | Niklas-: just that and nothing else? does systool, if called without arguments, list ide at all under Buses? |
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| 21:29.52 | Toyd_ | hello |
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| 21:30.19 | Toyd_ | so is linux really copyright infringement of xerox + microsoft patents? |
| 21:30.19 | Niklas- | blubberdiblub: yep, but i dont think it's ide disks, but sata |
| 21:30.38 | blubberdiblub | Niklas-: yeah, that would be the logical consequence ;) |
| 21:30.44 | Toyd_ | blubberdiblub, |
| 21:30.46 | pumpkin0 | Toyd_: where did you get that one from ? |
| 21:30.54 | Toyd_ | NIELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:30.55 | Toyd_ | :D |
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| 21:31.09 | Toyd_ | www.macrumors.com pumpkin0 |
| 21:31.23 | Niklas- | blubberdiblub: The only think i can think of, is if via relased some tool to query the raid controller |
| 21:31.24 | blubberdiblub | Toyd_: you know me? :) |
| 21:31.29 | Toyd_ | yeah |
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| 21:31.45 | Toyd_ | we are from the same star our atoms |
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| 21:32.13 | aubade | http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/397/cl2sso1.png |
| 21:32.22 | blubberdiblub | Toyd_: yeah, that's quite probable *g* |
| 21:32.31 | aubade | 's the GTK2 theme I've been using, don't normally use gtk-theme-switch but it was the easiest way I could think of showing. |
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| 21:32.46 | aubade | Maybe I can find a Clearlooks2 theme with a grey scrollbar in that fashion. :V |
| 21:32.52 | Toyd_ | blubberdiblub, i am not joking |
| 21:33.02 | pumpkin0 | tune2fs -c 0 and tune2fs -i 0 disable checking, right ? |
| 21:33.06 | blubberdiblub | Toyd_: me neither |
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| 21:33.33 | bubbeh | what's that command to config x.. starts with dpkg? |
| 21:33.40 | pumpkin0 | Toyd_: it is almost impossible to write any program w/o hitting a patent... |
| 21:33.41 | chops | !drxx |
| 21:33.41 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 21:33.44 | aubade | sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:33.46 | Toyd_ | Niels not everyone is what they seem to be |
| 21:33.53 | bubbeh | thank you chops |
| 21:34.22 | esters | what could be cause of monitor flickering , using nvidia 8776 and kernel 2.6.18.4, because there aren't now nvidia graphics drivers in testing ? |
| 21:34.23 | Toyd_ | yeah pumpkin0 |
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| 21:34.24 | pumpkin0 | esters: CRT or TFT ? |
| 21:34.29 | blubberdiblub | Toyd_: i guess we should take our talk to #debian-offtopic or somewhere else ;) |
| 21:34.34 | esters | pumpkin0: TFT |
| 21:34.34 | aubade | esters: Incorrect refrest rates? |
| 21:34.42 | aubade | Refresh, even, roll. |
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| 21:34.56 | esters | aubade: double checked, correct values are in the xorg.conf |
| 21:35.19 | pumpkin0 | esters: run "xrandr". What's the refresh-rate with the * next to it ? |
| 21:35.33 | esters | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:36.13 | pumpkin0 | esters: that may be too much for a TFT. TFT like 60. |
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| 21:37.12 | stew | happy friday, debianites |
| 21:37.24 | bonez39 | where might I find detailed help on formatting data in a spreadsheet? I am using oocalc...to reformat an email list,, which includes 'name emailname@do.main' I need the output to be in this form 'name' <email@do.main> |
| 21:37.45 | twobitsp2ite | is there a sega genesis emulator for linux? |
| 21:37.52 | eldowan | I mount various iso images(27 currently) to a specific folder depending on my use at the time. I know for a specific predefined mount I can add an entry in fstab with the user(s) option turned on. However, I need to be root|sudo to mount the iso images. What is the best way to go about allowing my specific useraccount uid=1001 to mount any iso to that directory, or any iso period without root|sudo credentials? |
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| 21:39.27 | eldowan | twobitsp2ite: someone once mentioned dgen: http://pknet.com/~joe/dgen-sdl.html NOTE: I HAVE NOT USED THIS |
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| 21:40.11 | chops | bonez39: Sounds like a job for perl |
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| 21:40.57 | wastr2 | bonez39: or winole and ruby :) |
| 21:41.11 | Toyd_ | eldowan code it under GNU GPL license and just use your superior intellect to achieve it |
| 21:41.38 | chops | bonez39: Paste the text into a text file, perl -pe 's/^\s*(\S+)\s*(\S+)/'$1' <$2>/' < textfile > new-textfile, paste it from new-textfile back into oocalc |
| 21:41.48 | pumpkin0 | [debian 4.0 etch] what can i do if m-a fails to build a module (squashfs on arm) ? Last line of log is "/usr/src/modules/squashfs/linux-2.6/inode.c:538: fatal error: internal consistency failure". |
| 21:41.50 | chops | bonez39: That's only my opinion, of course :-) |
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| 21:42.07 | chops | pumpkin0: File a bug against the compiler |
| 21:42.15 | wastr2 | oh nm i read excel spreadsheet yuck |
| 21:42.19 | Toyd_ | eldowan you can call it automagic elevated prompt override |
| 21:42.25 | Toyd_ | AEPO |
| 21:42.32 | Toyd_ | for the acronym |
| 21:42.45 | eldowan | Toyd_: you give me too much credit. |
| 21:42.56 | pumpkin0 | chops: stock gcc ? |
| 21:43.00 | eldowan | I barely make human, much less GNU programmer... |
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| 21:43.14 | chops | pumpkin0: "internal consistency failure" is not the source code's fault, I don't think |
| 21:43.24 | eldowan | Toyd_: Am I to understand that this isn't possible ATM? |
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| 21:43.31 | chops | pumpkin0: Stock arm gcc is certainly not always bug-free |
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| 21:44.02 | chops | pumpkin0: You could also try lenny's compiler |
| 21:44.23 | Toyd_ | thats usually the case if no one replies eldowan |
| 21:44.46 | pumpkin0 | chops: okay, f**k, somebody already filled that bug for that file and version. |
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| 21:45.02 | helo | folk? |
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| 21:45.15 | chops | pumpkin0: Is it still open? |
| 21:45.25 | eldowan | flik? |
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| 21:45.54 | Toyd_ | uc |
| 21:46.11 | Toyd_ | uc uc uc ;) |
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| 21:46.24 | pumpkin0 | chops: geuss ... |
| 21:46.34 | Toyd_ | 3x f**k |
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| 21:46.44 | imownbey | any idea how mysql_config could not be installed when mysql is? |
| 21:46.47 | chops | pumpkin0: :-( |
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| 21:47.08 | Toyd_ | *uc* *f**k |
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| 21:47.43 | Toyd_ | there is a whole movie dedicated to the power of the word |
| 21:47.48 | imownbey | or how to install mysql_config seperatly? |
| 21:47.49 | eldowan | puck flik! I WIN |
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| 21:47.53 | bonez39 | chops: linux.... I am no ruby novice...haven't ever used ruby... |
| 21:48.21 | Toyd_ | ruby tuesday |
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| 21:48.36 | preston | is there a pkg for kernel sources? |
| 21:48.38 | dkr | bonez39: I don't think "no" means what you think it means, :) |
| 21:48.43 | preston | i can't find any in aptitude |
| 21:48.47 | beered | do I need resolvconf to be able to connect to the internet? interfaces file has a static (public) ip address. |
| 21:48.47 | pumpkin0 | hmm... can i tell m-a to use the switch -O1 ? Cause it only happens in -O2 ... |
| 21:48.55 | wastr2 | bonez39: ruby is a cinch :) |
| 21:48.58 | Toyd_ | preston , are you from Transylvania also ? |
| 21:49.04 | peterS | preston: apt-cache search linux kernel source |
| 21:49.05 | preston | Toyd_ no |
| 21:49.08 | Toyd_ | oh |
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| 21:49.28 | wastr2 | bonez39: but I don't know about their OO support |
| 21:49.32 | imownbey | anyone? |
| 21:49.35 | wastr2 | or anything about oocalc |
| 21:50.22 | preston | where do i get the src for the kernel image 2.4 ? |
| 21:50.25 | bonez39 | chops: but glad to give your perl script a ride though.... |
| 21:50.29 | imownbey | please? |
| 21:50.30 | preston | all i see is 2.6 source trees |
| 21:51.07 | bonez39 | wastr2: well, I am happy to try it....that script from chops didn't quite give the output I need |
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| 21:51.59 | beered | My interface file is identical to what I had on woody. When I use that file in Etch I can't connect to the internet. Do I need resolvconf or some other woody to connect to the internet? I have a static IP. |
| 21:52.06 | Toyd_ | windows vista is a huge success |
| 21:52.20 | beered | woody = magic |
| 21:52.34 | preston | peterS how come there's no 2.4 source tree? |
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| 21:52.43 | peterS | preston: because debian doesn't ship kernel 2.4 |
| 21:52.49 | wastr2 | bonez39: #ruby-lang will point you to some tutorials on ruby |
| 21:52.56 | dogmeat | i can't ssh in as root? the /etc/ssh/sshd_config has line "PermitRootLogin yes", but still doenst allow me to |
| 21:52.59 | preston | peterS but my kernel img is 2.4.. |
| 21:53.01 | wastr2 | but you'll have to learn some :( |
| 21:53.11 | preston | peterS i'm trying to install the nvidia drivers and it needs the kernel source |
| 21:53.14 | peterS | preston: apparently you installed it back when debian did ship kernel 2.4 |
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| 21:53.32 | preston | peterS yeah i have an old debian stable cd.. should i burn a new cd or something |
| 21:53.33 | peterS | preston: you should look in the 'oldstable' (aka 'sarge') repository |
| 21:53.51 | peterS | preston: oldstable should still be on the mirrors, you can add it to sources.list and do another apt-cache search |
| 21:53.52 | preston | peterS how do i get packages from there (yes sarge rings a bell) |
| 21:53.57 | beered | help interfaces |
| 21:54.09 | bonez39 | wastr2: I aint fraid uh no larnin.....! .. glad to dig in and read if it will help me out.... |
| 21:54.13 | peterS | preston: don't forget to 'aptitude update' or whatever, to download the new indexes, after adding sarge to sources.list |
| 21:54.18 | beered | what's the bot command? Is it ! |
| 21:54.22 | Toyd_ | you guys mind if i do a little social experiment here... |
| 21:54.52 | TheArthur | im trying to run apt-get source package to get packages from a different release as a non-root user, how can i tel apt-get where to put its loc file etc... is there an easy way to do this |
| 21:55.15 | themill | !tell beered about interfaces |
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| 21:55.20 | beered | I don't get this. i can connect to my client trough ssh, but I can't ping from it. |
| 21:55.26 | chops | TheArthur: "loc file"? |
| 21:55.35 | infernal_jesus | beered: ping what? |
| 21:55.36 | TheArthur | chops, lock file |
| 21:55.47 | chops | TheArthur: apt-get source doesn't need a lock file AFAIK |
| 21:55.47 | Toyd_ | oreah ying apetc sshocing |
| 21:55.51 | beered | infernal_jesus: IP adress (public) |
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| 21:56.02 | chops | TheArthur: Are you currently doing something package-related and apt-get source isn't working? |
| 21:56.11 | infernal_jesus | beered: do you actually ping the IP address or the www. addres? |
| 21:56.15 | LoneWlf | running lenny/sid, upgraded X, can't get the nvidia driver to work now... just nv... Only "error" is that GLX is already loaded, taking it out doesn't help |
| 21:56.36 | beered | infernal_jesus: fqdm as in www.yahoo.com |
| 21:56.39 | chops | LoneWlf: Welcome to sid :-) |
| 21:56.44 | chops | !tell LoneWlf about bts |
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| 21:56.58 | beered | infernal_jesus: I think it's the resolv.conf... |
| 21:57.00 | infernal_jesus | beered: then you don't have a dns server |
| 21:57.01 | infernal_jesus | yeah |
| 21:57.02 | TheArthur | chops, it complains that i have no deb-src sources, even though i point it to a local sources.list with -o Dir::Etc::SourceList |
| 21:57.08 | infernal_jesus | I was just about to say that |
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| 21:57.18 | infernal_jesus | beered: add a working dns server (or two :P ) |
| 21:57.19 | TheArthur | chops, i think i need to apt-get update? |
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| 21:57.24 | chops | TheArthur: Yes |
| 21:57.29 | TheArthur | chops, but cant to that if not root |
| 21:57.36 | beered | infernal_jesus: do I enter my own public ip if I'm a DNS server? |
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| 21:57.44 | TheArthur | even though i dont want it to touch anything |
| 21:57.51 | chops | TheArthur: Hm, I think I see your difficulty |
| 21:57.57 | TheArthur | i tried changing the cache dirs also |
| 21:58.29 | chops | TheArthur: You do need to have a working and updated apt situation in order for apt-get source to work... if you can't apt-get update as root, you may have a lot of trouble getting all the caches and whatnot in order as a normal user |
| 21:58.57 | infernal_jesus | beered: I'm afraid I'm not following. you add 'nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' into the resolv.conf file |
| 21:58.57 | TheArthur | :/ |
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| 21:59.12 | infernal_jesus | beered: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx being the ip address of the dns server |
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| 21:59.41 | beered | infernal_jesus: this machine is a DNS server for my network. Do I add it's own public IP address in resolv.config, or do I need to pick a root server? |
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| 22:00.25 | infernal_jesus | beered: try 127.0.0.1 :P |
| 22:01.35 | streuner | stew: What the fuck are you doing? |
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| 22:02.07 | S_w_a-T | helo |
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| 22:02.41 | IsaqueFD | S_w_a-T, hi |
| 22:02.53 | S_w_a-T | IsaqueFD you gay? |
| 22:03.06 | IsaqueFD | S_w_a-T, no, and you? |
| 22:03.11 | beered | Anybody knows if a DNS (Bind) server needs resolvconf package (not the config file)? |
| 22:03.22 | S_w_a-T | IsaqueFD no |
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| 22:03.44 | IsaqueFD | S_w_a-T, you are, you are, I know, I know |
| 22:03.53 | S_w_a-T | kk |
| 22:04.05 | peterS | beered: I think the two are entirely unrelated |
| 22:04.05 | ugly | At seemingly random intervals, my screen goes completely black in X for 1-2 seconds, then returns to normal. What would cause this? I'm running the testing branch, the radeon driver for my Radeon 9200 Pro card, an LCD monitor, and I have the following options in xorg.conf: AccelMethod "EXA", AccelDFS "on", AGPFastWrite "on" |
| 22:04.06 | anapivirtua | Good evening / Bonsoir / Mooh. |
| 22:04.27 | Toyd_ | ugly |
| 22:04.43 | Toyd_ | peterS, is ugly :) |
| 22:04.49 | ugly | heh |
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| 22:05.14 | S_w_a-T | IsaqueFD your mother! |
| 22:05.25 | pickcoder | it can't be sunday already.. I'm still at work |
| 22:05.35 | _3yE_ | can someone tell me whete to edit HAL permissions? |
| 22:05.43 | IsaqueFD | S_w_a-T, what? fuck you |
| 22:05.58 | Skyrail_ | Awesome, sucesfully dual booted Kubuntu and Debian :D |
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| 22:06.14 | _3yE_ | i'be got this: dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.Hal /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.SystemPowerManagement.Hibernate |
| 22:06.19 | Toyd_ | i am beered ugly and a pickcoder with a _3yE_ and IsaqueFD to S_w_a-T for nothing else but some anapivirtua and of course frojnd on my toast |
| 22:06.26 | S_w_a-T | IsaqueFD you it knows the truth |
| 22:06.27 | _3yE_ | working as root but failing as user |
| 22:06.43 | tbamr | damn gmail doesn't accept my username and password! :(I |
| 22:06.54 | tbamr | anyone having the same problem ? |
| 22:06.59 | frojnd | Toyd_: have a nice day too |
| 22:07.01 | Toyd_ | hax0red scooby dooo |
| 22:07.06 | Toyd_ | :) |
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| 22:07.22 | S_w_a-T | kk |
| 22:07.25 | IsaqueFD | S_w_a-T, yeah, and, What Toyd_ say? |
| 22:07.27 | tbamr | !gmail |
| 22:07.27 | dpkg | well, gmail is a web mail service from Google that is _still_ not supported by Konqueror.... http://isnoop.net/gmailomatic.php |
| 22:07.31 | Toyd_ | lol |
| 22:07.53 | S_w_a-T | what? |
| 22:07.57 | IsaqueFD | Toyd_, sorry, I don't speak english |
| 22:08.03 | Toyd_ | :/ |
| 22:08.09 | tbamr | !google |
| 22:08.09 | dpkg | i heard google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 22:08.16 | IsaqueFD | S_w_a-T, tollbar? good |
| 22:08.25 | S_w_a-T | IsaqueFD very very |
| 22:08.34 | tbamr | !gugle |
| 22:08.37 | IsaqueFD | S_w_a-T, what language? |
| 22:08.44 | S_w_a-T | IsaqueFD what it found of it? |
| 22:09.03 | S_w_a-T | IsaqueFD br |
| 22:09.26 | *** part/#debian ugly (i=ugly@think.inhuman.org) |
| 22:09.43 | IsaqueFD | S_w_a-T, no |
| 22:09.48 | Toyd_ | i was nicknames IsaqueFD |
| 22:09.49 | S_w_a-T | vsf |
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| 22:09.56 | Toyd_ | i was speaking nicknames IsaqueFD |
| 22:09.56 | stoned | I don't like sunlight much |
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| 22:10.10 | Azar | hello mister stoned :) |
| 22:10.12 | x_link | stoned my main man =) |
| 22:10.16 | stoned | Azar: my main man |
| 22:10.17 | S_w_a-T | cansei de falar quenem um idiota gringo |
| 22:10.19 | S_w_a-T | kkkkkkkk |
| 22:10.20 | stoned | hey x_link my other main man |
| 22:10.21 | stoned | whats up |
| 22:10.27 | Toyd_ | 100,000 lux a day verses 400 lux from arteficial lights per day |
| 22:10.29 | x_link | Nothing, just came home =) |
| 22:10.29 | IsaqueFD | S_w_a-T, shut up |
| 22:10.36 | stoned | me too |
| 22:10.36 | S_w_a-T | vai te fude |
| 22:10.36 | S_w_a-T | rkk |
| 22:10.39 | stoned | just got home from work |
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| 22:10.45 | x_link | stoned: My neighbour wants to buy my motherboard and CPU for twice as much as I gave for it new last month =) |
| 22:10.47 | IsaqueFD | S_w_a-T, you too |
| 22:10.48 | stoned | S_w_a-T: what are you doing? |
| 22:10.53 | Azar | stoned: nice man, relax |
| 22:10.54 | Toyd_ | stoned hi |
| 22:10.56 | S_w_a-T | pega no meu doing? |
| 22:10.59 | x_link | So I will sell it tomorrow and get even better mobo + CPU ;) |
| 22:11.03 | eldowan | Morning stoned |
| 22:11.07 | Azar | !br |
| 22:11.08 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:11.20 | S_w_a-T | qm falo q quero ajuda? |
| 22:11.20 | IsaqueFD | dpkg, sorry, the S_w_a-T is crazy |
| 22:11.21 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, IsaqueFD |
| 22:11.21 | Azar | mister S_w_a-T please move to brasilian channel |
| 22:11.27 | stoned | eldowan: morning? i need some of what you been smokin man |
| 22:11.32 | S_w_a-T | Azar please chupa meu pau |
| 22:11.37 | _3yE_ | how unfriendly. i pastet just one line |
| 22:11.39 | Azar | eh ok |
| 22:11.40 | eldowan | stoned: stone sober for a while. |
| 22:11.42 | *** part/#debian S_w_a-T (i=S_w_a_T@unaffiliated/swat/x-492496) |
| 22:11.43 | _3yE_ | i shall never come here again. |
| 22:11.50 | IsaqueFD | crazy, crazy |
| 22:11.57 | stoned | is it sunday already? |
| 22:12.10 | pickcoder | stoned: I just joked about that.. heh |
| 22:12.13 | IsaqueFD | dpkg, no, i don't lost |
| 22:12.14 | Azar | stoned: is the pre-weekend warm-up |
| 22:12.19 | stoned | pickcoder: hehe it sure seems like it eh |
| 22:12.23 | themill | stoned: seems that way from the S/N on here at the moment... |
| 22:12.37 | stoned | _3yE_: whats the matter? |
| 22:13.07 | Azar | _3yE_: yeah, how can we help you, honorable? |
| 22:13.29 | stoned | eldowan: any particular reason? |
| 22:13.56 | _3yE_ | ah, i was kicked from another channel, sorry. must investigate that. |
| 22:14.22 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 22:14.27 | Azar | _3yE_: you can allways complain at #frenode, wait to have your voice authorized and then complain |
| 22:14.57 | _3yE_ | Azar, i was't kicked here, i just mixed up stuff. |
| 22:15.08 | stoned | _3yE_: do you have a debian related question? |
| 22:15.10 | eldowan | stoned: sure, many of which. Though none of those have a reason to be discussed in this particular channel |
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| 22:15.18 | Azar | ok honorables, is everyone ready and happily looking for the weekend joys? |
| 22:15.28 | stoned | Azar: I really wanna kick your ass |
| 22:15.42 | Azar | stoned: let's have logs ready for funny quotes |
| 22:15.44 | stoned | with much love and respect, I'd like to beat you up |
| 22:15.51 | eldowan | Azar: looking forward to the weekend joys of moving residences... |
| 22:15.52 | stoned | like fight club |
| 22:15.53 | stoned | :D |
| 22:16.05 | Azar | stoned: I'd tickle your armpits, pinch your buns and many more.. |
| 22:16.07 | stoned | eldowan: oh bummer. I moved across 20 or so states |
| 22:16.07 | stoned | heh |
| 22:16.21 | stoned | Azar: ohhhkaaayy.. /me backs off |
| 22:16.25 | _3yE_ | stoned: yes, i wonder how i set dbus permissions. |
| 22:16.32 | stoned | _3yE_: I have no idea |
| 22:16.33 | stoned | !dbus |
| 22:16.34 | dpkg | somebody said dbus was D-BUS, or http://www.freedesktop.org/software/dbus/ or #dbus |
| 22:16.34 | eldowan | stoned: actually, about double the space, 1/4 mile from the pool hall that I play at. stumbling distance from the bar :D |
| 22:16.43 | stoned | eldowan: haha nice |
| 22:16.44 | _3yE_ | stoned: somehow cannot find any info |
| 22:16.52 | stoned | eldowan: that waitress at the bar man, that spanish girl |
| 22:16.56 | _3yE_ | stoned: it is related to HAL and hibernation |
| 22:16.57 | Azar | _3yE_: follow the url stoned gave you |
| 22:16.58 | stoned | eldowan: utter hotness. |
| 22:17.15 | eldowan | gone. and yes, yes indeed. incrediblely so. |
| 22:17.18 | _3yE_ | then i'll read the manual again. |
| 22:17.25 | stoned | eldowan: just oh man |
| 22:17.32 | Azar | hybernation: the nastiest thing (based on old reads I did) |
| 22:17.42 | stoned | eldowan: too damn fine. The things I'd do to her, you have no idea |
| 22:17.44 | stoned | lol |
| 22:18.24 | Azar | rahul: are you going to the pub this weekend? or waiting for stoned to invite? |
| 22:18.32 | stoned | oh yeh |
| 22:18.34 | stoned | reminds me |
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| 22:18.54 | stoned | rahul: lets go get strunk |
| 22:18.58 | stoned | rahul: or droned |
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| 22:19.10 | rahul | heh |
| 22:19.17 | stoned | im off tomorrow |
| 22:19.21 | stoned | I can come over tonight |
| 22:19.28 | rahul | I've been out late for the past 2 days |
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| 22:19.37 | rahul | come to the LES |
| 22:19.45 | stoned | where? |
| 22:19.54 | Azar | les miserables |
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| 22:19.59 | stoned | I only know how to get to 69th an dbroadway |
| 22:20.04 | rahul | msg |
| 22:20.11 | stoned | ok |
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| 22:21.51 | xand | glue |
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| 22:22.19 | beered | Is Etch using a new version of vi or something? I'm having trouble using <insert> or i on the keyboard. It just doesn't behave as it did before. |
| 22:22.52 | themill | beered: I think it transitioned from nvi to vim, didn't it |
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| 22:23.24 | beered | themill: I don't know. When I do <insert> in vi now it goes beserk. |
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| 22:23.41 | themill | beered: vi --version should tell you (or look at your alternatives) |
| 22:23.44 | Azar | beered: you might be using "vim" instead of "vi" |
| 22:24.05 | Azar | beered: when in doubt check the manual to see what is different/changed |
| 22:24.10 | themill | beered: vim will work in vi compatability mode if you don't have a .vimrc |
| 22:24.21 | titii | please can you translate this code -rwxr--r-- into number? |
| 22:24.39 | themill | !chmod |
| 22:24.40 | dpkg | If you do not know how to use chmod but ask for a lesson in "Chmod 101" classes, we feel sorry for you, or simple octal, with r=4 w=2 x=1. rwxr-xr-- = (rwx) (r-x) (r--) = (4+2+1) (4+0+1) (4+0+0) = 754. or ask me about <Permissions> |
| 22:24.50 | themill | 744 |
| 22:24.56 | beered | themill: yep, its a VIM v7 |
| 22:24.57 | titii | thank you |
| 22:25.16 | xand | vi != vim |
| 22:25.19 | themill | titii: np |
| 22:25.40 | Azar | titii: scroll down to chapter 4.8.4 : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
| 22:26.09 | eldowan | stoned: if I ever make it up to your neck of the woods, you'll have to give me the tour |
| 22:26.13 | stoned | pubes |
| 22:26.15 | stoned | I mean |
| 22:26.16 | stoned | what? |
| 22:26.19 | themill | beered: 7.1 even ;) I always make sure I have a .vimrc.... seems to make life easier. Otherwise the cursor keys can get odd too. |
| 22:26.23 | stoned | eldowan: with pleasure :) |
| 22:26.28 | Azar | beered: then you need to play the "vimtutor" command |
| 22:26.29 | stoned | eldowan: you are welcome in my home anytime |
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| 22:26.38 | stoned | eldowan: when my woman isn't keepin me busy that is. |
| 22:26.39 | titii | anyone can help how to solve this problem? Mysql - #1036 - Table 'my_table' is read only |
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| 22:26.49 | beered | Azar: huh? |
| 22:26.55 | Azar | titii: read the link I gave you |
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| 22:27.18 | titii | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices ? |
| 22:27.29 | Azar | beered: there is an interactive tutorial on command line: just type vimtutor and practice the tutorial |
| 22:27.44 | beered | Azar: cool. ty. |
| 22:27.48 | Azar | titii: yes, scroll down to chapter 4.8.4 |
| 22:28.09 | Azar | stoned: you also get sex sometimes? |
| 22:28.17 | eldowan | he wishes |
| 22:28.23 | Azar | hehe |
| 22:28.24 | stoned | Azar: dude? what? |
| 22:28.27 | Azar | underaged |
| 22:28.29 | stoned | what is sex? |
| 22:28.40 | eldowan | its that thing you like to do with calves and sheep |
| 22:28.56 | stoned | I don't know nothing about farm animals |
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| 22:29.19 | eldowan | clever use of the double negative, which affirms the aforementioned statement from me. :D |
| 22:29.26 | titii | Azar but i tryed to put the 777 perms on the mysql data files, i have still this error |
| 22:29.36 | stoned | in slang, the double negative don't matter none |
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| 22:29.39 | Azar | titii: what error? |
| 22:29.43 | beered | Is there FAQ or how-to for Etch security? |
| 22:29.50 | beered | security = hardening the box |
| 22:29.52 | stoned | !security |
| 22:29.52 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 22:29.59 | stoned | hmm |
| 22:30.46 | blubberdiblub | !harden |
| 22:30.46 | dpkg | it has been said that harden is D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 22:30.50 | titii | Azar : #1036 - Table '...' is read only |
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| 22:31.13 | beered | blubberdiblub: awesome. |
| 22:31.22 | Azar | beered: personally... I prefer using rwx, never bothered to learn the numeric set up |
| 22:31.38 | Azar | titii: if is a system file, you better leave it as is |
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| 22:32.03 | Azar | titii: if is a personal file, you can change its permissions |
| 22:32.14 | beered | Azar: that would solve my problem. |
| 22:32.38 | Azar | titii: I use chapter 4.4 way of set permissions: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
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| 22:33.05 | themill | Azar: it's a strange mysql error |
| 22:33.25 | Azar | themill: ahhhhhhh that damn mysql.. sorry... did not know... don't know mysql |
| 22:33.58 | helo | how do i undo in vim? lost something regretful |
| 22:34.17 | helo | <esc>:q!? |
| 22:34.24 | ladydoor | isn't it "u" (without the quotes?) |
| 22:34.39 | themill | helo: u for one change or U for the whole line |
| 22:34.40 | Azar | helo: if you did not saved.... and you did NOT, nothing to recuperate, Save+Exit is :wq |
| 22:35.00 | helo | err... how do i redo an undo? |
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| 22:35.13 | themill | helo: ^R (Ctrl+R) |
| 22:35.29 | Azar | helo: to learn all tricks practice vimtutor << type it at command line and start the classes |
| 22:35.44 | titii | Azar but the owner is mysql mysql, and i tryed 777 of chmod |
| 22:35.52 | beered | How do I tar -cvf two different directories (e.g. /etc/ and /home/) in to one .tar file? |
| 22:36.15 | themill | titii: update the permissions to 700 on the directories and 660 on the files (.frm and .MY?) |
| 22:36.28 | themill | titii: and restart mysql after you do so. Apparently this is necessary. |
| 22:36.43 | Azar | beered: /etc is system directory not sure if is wise.. |
| 22:36.44 | titii | themill ok i do |
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| 22:36.56 | beered | Azar: It was just an example... |
| 22:37.11 | Azar | beered: ah want to learn about file compression? |
| 22:37.11 | beered | Azar: I need to tar bind and var/cache folders. |
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| 22:37.37 | blubberdiblub | beered: well, easy, just give both paths as arguments to tar |
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| 22:37.50 | beered | blubberdiblub: that's too easy... :-) |
| 22:37.52 | beered | thanks. |
| 22:38.12 | titii | themill ok how can i restaert mysql? |
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| 22:39.00 | yos87 | Hi |
| 22:39.05 | yos87 | how can I know my gnome version? |
| 22:39.11 | Azar | hmmm I never read about compressing directories... |
| 22:39.16 | themill | titii: invoke-rc.d mysql restart |
| 22:39.19 | beered | blubberdiblub: how do I untar /home/example.tar to /tmp/dir/? Is that possible? |
| 22:39.31 | beered | I don't want to move files in to the same dir. |
| 22:40.15 | titii | themill wait one question, how to change perms to all files and subfolder? but just for file? and then how just for directories? thanks |
| 22:40.16 | blubberdiblub | beered: sure, just cd to /tmp and untar from there, or use the -C option to tar |
| 22:41.02 | blubberdiblub | beered: you know, tar normally doesn't unpack its files to absolute paths |
| 22:41.45 | beered | this is awesome, blubberdiblub! |
| 22:41.52 | rahul | pff |
| 22:42.05 | rahul | Azar: kick stoned's ass out of queens |
| 22:42.31 | namit | i can ssh into machine from machine using ip adderss but not from another machine. |
| 22:42.38 | themill | titii: -R for recursive. man chmod. |
| 22:42.38 | Azar | rahul: sharing your private discussion with stoned? |
| 22:42.49 | rahul | I need backup |
| 22:43.02 | blubberdiblub | beered: like, if you tar'ed /home/foo, and you untar from within /tmp, tar will pack the stuff into /tmp/home/foo. if you wanted it to be in the root hierarchy, you would have to cd /, use -C / or use -P |
| 22:43.19 | titii | themill i know R, but i am asking about applying only on files, not directories |
| 22:43.32 | Azar | wtf I get my firefox to open websites soooooo slow |
| 22:43.45 | Azar | linux.com is like dead man |
| 22:44.50 | themill | titii: you can use find to only give you files not directories (man find: -type f ; -type d) |
| 22:44.55 | Azar | wtf!!! "The connection was refused when attempting to contact www.linux.com" |
| 22:45.15 | yos87 | how can I know my gnome version? |
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| 22:46.19 | titii | themill ok i did it... the dir is drwx------ and the files (MY.) -rw-rw---- |
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| 22:47.38 | beered | Is there an easy command that can tell me what app is using port 113? |
| 22:47.49 | beered | easy == short |
| 22:48.01 | themill | beered: netstat -p |
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| 22:49.02 | themill | titii: that looks right to me. restarting mysql will hopefully solve your problems |
| 22:49.04 | beered | themill: I have port 113 open, but netstat -plutn | grep 113 shows nothing. |
| 22:49.34 | themill | beered: inetd/xinetd? |
| 22:49.34 | Azar | beered: did you searched for specs online about port 113 ? |
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| 22:49.40 | titii | themill now i trying but the problem ,,, hmmm Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "restart" failed. what is that mean? |
| 22:49.51 | beered | Azar: It' Ident server. |
| 22:50.03 | themill | beered: /etc/services .. that's your ident server which you need if you're on freenode.net |
| 22:50.32 | beered | themill: no, this is a different machine. It's a DNS server. It doesn't need ident. |
| 22:50.34 | titii | themill what happend? |
| 22:50.36 | Azar | beered: so ident might be used by your network application related to your connection, maybe npd, maybe portmap |
| 22:51.14 | Azar | beered: install "htop" package and you might see what are the most active and connected processes... |
| 22:51.31 | eldowan | htop is nice. :D me likey |
| 22:51.51 | themill | titii: is mysql still running? |
| 22:52.02 | titii | themill no |
| 22:52.17 | themill | titii: try start then not restart |
| 22:52.32 | titii | themill i tryed,,, still the same |
| 22:52.57 | themill | titii: any error messages in /var/log/mysql* ? |
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| 22:53.44 | eldowan | stoned: later. I'm out |
| 22:54.01 | titii | themill hmm that files arent readable |
| 22:54.19 | themill | titii: from that last restart? |
| 22:54.31 | namit | can i pick up ip from my router on eth0 and setup dhcp server on this machine and then lease ips off eth0? |
| 22:54.33 | titii | themill ever |
| 22:54.33 | themill | titii: (not from earlier) |
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| 22:54.38 | Azar | beered: it usually is a running ident authentication service, sometimes might be used by a trojan |
| 22:54.51 | titii | also before |
| 22:54.59 | rahul | yay |
| 22:55.02 | rahul | Azar: it worked! |
| 22:55.05 | rahul | whatever you did |
| 22:55.08 | Azar | rahul: what? |
| 22:55.26 | Azar | rahul: you mean.. oh no... you got sex with stoned? |
| 22:55.30 | rahul | haha |
| 22:55.32 | titii | themill the file names mysql-00001 - 000008 and .index |
| 22:55.47 | rahul | weirdo |
| 22:56.03 | titii | mysql.bin-00001 - 000008 ... |
| 22:57.03 | themill | titii: they're your log files you shouldn't need to worry about them. (I've never found a use for the binlogs yet but I don't play with that sort of kit) |
| 22:57.11 | robboplus | is there a good method of checking the security of my apache2? |
| 22:57.30 | themill | titii: how about in /var/log/mysql.err and /var/log/mysql.log |
| 22:57.34 | robboplus | titii disable binlog |
| 22:57.34 | azeem | robboplus: 1. are you running stable? 2. do you have the latest package from stable-security installed? |
| 22:57.48 | titii | robboplus how please? |
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| 22:58.00 | robboplus | azeem 1. yes 2. i just did apt-get update and got nothing |
| 22:58.00 | rahul | sweet, more crew members |
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| 22:58.07 | BluRay | hello.. |
| 22:58.12 | BluRay | i've installed a debian system |
| 22:58.14 | robboplus | titti in my.cnf - comment it out |
| 22:58.15 | rahul | poo ray |
| 22:58.19 | robboplus | ans restart mysqld |
| 22:58.22 | robboplus | and* |
| 22:58.22 | BluRay | and it sais Begin: Waitinf for root file system .. |
| 22:58.26 | BluRay | and it doesn't want to load :( |
| 22:58.27 | rahul | waiting? |
| 22:58.32 | BluRay | yes |
| 22:58.33 | BluRay | waiting* |
| 22:58.34 | rahul | why would it wait? |
| 22:58.42 | BluRay | i don't know |
| 22:58.43 | robboplus | azeem someone just told me that i got a hole in my apache2 and i wonder how serious that was |
| 22:58.45 | themill | robboplus: titti's mysql doesn't want to start |
| 22:58.48 | namit | can i pick up ip from my router on eth0 and setup dhcp server on this machine and then lease ips off eth0? |
| 22:58.50 | BluRay | it only stays at that point |
| 22:58.58 | robboplus | themill i read you |
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| 22:59.01 | rahul | BluRay: what did you configure as the root fs? |
| 22:59.08 | azeem | robboplus: that's pretty hard to answer without specifics like a CVE number |
| 22:59.25 | themill | robboplus: :) just checking. glad to have another person looking at the problem |
| 22:59.37 | robboplus | titti rm /var/log/mysql/* and then comment out that thing and restart mysqld, will work fine |
| 23:00.02 | BluRay | rahul, how to do that? |
| 23:00.07 | rahul | how to do what? |
| 23:00.10 | robboplus | azeem assuming that i got the newest rev for debian stable, what else can i check? like persmissions etc. |
| 23:00.14 | BluRay | i've installed a fresh etch |
| 23:00.18 | robboplus | any tool online for this? |
| 23:00.31 | rahul | BluRay: how did you partition? what did you select as the root fs? |
| 23:00.42 | BluRay | ext3 and mounted to / |
| 23:00.43 | rahul | what kind of drive? controller? |
| 23:00.51 | titii | robboplus log_bin? |
| 23:00.52 | BluRay | IDE |
| 23:00.58 | azeem | robboplus: no idea, I'm no apache expert |
| 23:01.00 | robboplus | themill i had same problem before and this is why i looked at titti now :) |
| 23:01.02 | rahul | hmm |
| 23:01.04 | robboplus | titti yes |
| 23:01.11 | robboplus | azeem ok |
| 23:01.22 | rahul | BluRay: I don't know why it would give that message inthe first place or why it would get stuck "waiting" for a normal local disk |
| 23:01.30 | themill | robboplus: ahhh sounds like an ugly one. fsck'd permissions in /var/log ? |
| 23:01.36 | titii | robboplus the value is the path of log file |
| 23:01.37 | rahul | tis quite strange to me. |
| 23:01.39 | BluRay | :( |
| 23:01.53 | rahul | maybe someone else has seen that message before |
| 23:02.00 | robboplus | themill i never found out what was the real reason but once i got rid of binlog it all came up fine |
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| 23:02.07 | BluRay | ooho |
| 23:02.10 | BluRay | it passed |
| 23:02.14 | BluRay | but it says now |
| 23:02.18 | titii | robboplus how to reinicialize it? |
| 23:02.19 | robboplus | titti comment out whole line |
| 23:02.24 | BluRay | ALERT! /dev/hd1 does not exist?? |
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| 23:02.27 | BluRay | hdc1* |
| 23:02.33 | rahul | hdc? |
| 23:02.34 | robboplus | and then /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 23:02.47 | BluRay | yes |
| 23:02.48 | BluRay | hed1 |
| 23:02.51 | BluRay | hdc1 |
| 23:02.52 | rahul | is this some udev trickery? |
| 23:02.58 | BluRay | ? |
| 23:03.03 | themill | titii: /etc/init.d/mysql start is the same as invoke-rc.d mysql start |
| 23:03.07 | rahul | !penixstrike udev |
| 23:03.07 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking udev to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 23:03.08 | BluRay | i've installed a debian when the HDD was connected to secondary IDE channel.. |
| 23:03.12 | rahul | oh |
| 23:03.15 | jakub_ | hi |
| 23:03.22 | jakub_ | i have problem with installing vmware |
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| 23:03.27 | rahul | BluRay: you need to install it the same way you'll boot it for things to be easy |
| 23:03.32 | jakub_ | i using the "patch" |
| 23:03.32 | robboplus | themill btw would you know a really nice method of changing which services run on boot? |
| 23:03.37 | jakub_ | but it said unacess acess to memory |
| 23:03.43 | BluRay | rahul, i don't understand what you mean |
| 23:03.44 | jakub_ | unhandled - SIGSEGV (with insmod) |
| 23:03.47 | rahul | otherwise you have lots of stuff to change... well, not lots... the grub config and the fstab |
| 23:04.00 | rahul | BluRay: it's now primary ide? |
| 23:04.12 | BluRay | now is connected to primary, yes |
| 23:04.16 | titii | themill still doesnt work |
| 23:04.17 | rahul | that's a different device name... you need to change the configurations to look at that device name now |
| 23:04.19 | azeem | jakub_: edit the vmware script to run /sbin/insmod instead of insmod directly |
| 23:04.20 | Azar | rahul: can't he change the bios settings? |
| 23:04.26 | rahul | Azar: bios? |
| 23:04.27 | BluRay | how to change config? |
| 23:04.30 | BluRay | with live cd or? |
| 23:04.39 | rahul | BluRay: live cd will work |
| 23:04.53 | themill | robboplus: update-rc.d is the proper way of doing it but I never do.... I don't do it often enough to ever remember the syntax. mv and ln are my normal methods :( |
| 23:05.06 | titii | robboplus still i see the bins. i cant start the mysql, so i dont know if it logs sucessfull, can i remove all the files in a mysql log dir? |
| 23:05.12 | jakub_ | azeem? |
| 23:05.17 | Azar | rahul: boot sequence |
| 23:05.17 | jakub_ | what script |
| 23:05.33 | azeem | jakub_: I assume you ran something which resulted in this error? |
| 23:05.38 | jakub_ | yes |
| 23:05.42 | themill | titii: mysql should complain in /var/log/mysql.err and /var/log/mysql.log |
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| 23:05.46 | jakub_ | where is this script ? |
| 23:05.48 | rahul | /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab |
| 23:05.49 | azeem | did you check whether it's a script or executable? |
| 23:06.05 | azeem | jakub_: if you run something, you should know where it is located, no? |
| 23:06.22 | titii | themill i cant see it, i have still there just thast that bin files |
| 23:06.25 | jakub_ | yes |
| 23:06.27 | rahul | Azar: he already did that |
| 23:06.28 | jakub_ | there is programlist |
| 23:06.34 | themill | titii: or in /var/log/daemon.log |
| 23:06.40 | rahul | Azar: now linux is confused because it's being told everything is hdc |
| 23:06.50 | themill | titii: /var/log/mysql.err and /var/log/mysql.log not in /var/log/mysql/ |
| 23:06.52 | BluRay | rahul, i've switched an HDD to secondary IDE and it works now |
| 23:07.12 | themill | titii: /var/log/mysql/ is only for the binlogs that you have just disabled |
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| 23:07.28 | vienna_ | re |
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| 23:07.29 | vienna_ | i think i lost a nice convo :( |
| 23:07.38 | jakub_ | azeem: in this - isn`t problem |
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| 23:07.56 | titii | themill mysql.log and err is empty, but deamon.log is full |
| 23:07.59 | azeem | jakub_: I don't understand |
| 23:08.03 | jakub_ | wait |
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| 23:08.06 | jakub_ | i paste it to pastebin |
| 23:08.35 | themill | titii: try tail -f /var/log/daemon.log in one window and starting mysql in another |
| 23:08.39 | jakub_ | azeem: http://www.pastebin.cz/show/1548 |
| 23:09.00 | titii | themill ok |
| 23:09.10 | BluRay | how to install additional packages now? |
| 23:09.19 | azeem | jakub_: that is the output of some script/program |
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| 23:09.34 | themill | titii: perhaps pastebin your output |
| 23:09.45 | BluRay | rahul'? |
| 23:10.23 | rahul | BluRay: read the debian user manual |
| 23:10.27 | jakub_ | yes |
| 23:10.30 | jakub_ | of .pl script |
| 23:11.19 | titii | themill http://phpfi.com/251162 |
| 23:11.32 | jakub_ | azeem: @programList = ('cp', 'uname', 'grep', 'ldd', 'mknod', 'insmod', |
| 23:11.32 | jakub_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.32 | Azar | BluRay: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/index.en.html#contents << read, make notes, practice |
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| 23:12.38 | azeem | jakub_: where is this from? |
| 23:12.49 | Azar | BluRay: if you are new to linux, just say so I give you a link to brief commands |
| 23:12.49 | transvaal_ | isn't there a jboss package on apt repository?? |
| 23:13.02 | jakub_ | from the script |
| 23:13.06 | jakub_ | which is executing |
| 23:13.12 | themill | titii: you probably need to update some more permissions..... have a look at some working ones: http://phpfi.com/251163 |
| 23:13.18 | DrRighteous | Perhaps someone can assist me... I ran apt-get install gnome, and installed all supporting packages, however I don't see X running, is there an additional package I need or is there a command to start gnome/x that I don't know? |
| 23:13.26 | Azar | transvaal_: check it out with : apt-cache search <packagename> |
| 23:13.27 | jakub_ | if i add /sbin to insmod, it doing the some problems |
| 23:13.29 | jakub_ | errors |
| 23:13.37 | beered | Is there an easy apt-get way to update root server lists? |
| 23:13.37 | themill | titii: /var/lib/mysql/ibdata1 would be one to check ;) |
| 23:14.02 | Azar | transvaal_: if there is none... then the package you need is a proprietary software, not included in Debian |
| 23:14.17 | jakub_ | damn it |
| 23:14.18 | jakub_ | shit.. |
| 23:14.30 | titii | themill wow but that file doesnt exists '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' |
| 23:14.31 | transvaal_ | Azar, there isn't anything.. jboss is open source. isn't there a repository for java stuff? |
| 23:15.03 | transvaal_ | i'm using a source.list file i found on net.. not sure wether it's a good one |
| 23:15.07 | Azar | transvaal_: did you set up your sources to add non-free contrib ? "open source" does not mean is free software |
| 23:15.10 | themill | titii: the sock file will only exist when mysql is running |
| 23:15.23 | themill | titii: it's the client/server communications socket |
| 23:15.31 | titii | themill aah sorry :) so what i ghave to do? |
| 23:15.50 | azeem | jakub_: hrm? |
| 23:15.57 | jakub_ | azeem: i dont know what i can do with it :( |
| 23:16.04 | transvaal_ | Azar, it's open source and free.. i have a "http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US" line in my source.list |
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| 23:16.12 | transvaal_ | is that it? |
| 23:16.22 | themill | titii: check the perms of /var/lib/mysql/ibdata1 and then try starting mysql again |
| 23:16.36 | azeem | jakub_: if you insmod a random module, does it segfault? |
| 23:16.38 | keith80403 | Is there a mirror that has the ISO images with the (Etch) _source code_ available for download? |
| 23:16.40 | Azar | transvaal_: ahhh that might be it: there is no non-us _anymore_ |
| 23:16.44 | jakub_ | no |
| 23:16.47 | jakub_ | with this all ! |
| 23:16.52 | jakub_ | it`s sh..it |
| 23:16.52 | azeem | with this all ? |
| 23:16.55 | themill | titii: also check the perms of /var/lib/mysql itself |
| 23:17.10 | Azar | transvaal_: try to make it like this: deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 23:17.21 | titii | themill -rwx------ 1 mysql mysql 10485760 2007-07-21 00:47 /var/lib/mysql/ibdata1 |
| 23:17.22 | Azar | transvaal_: with the trailing deb-src of course |
| 23:17.27 | BluRay | Azar, i'm not so new to linux, i was used slackware for a while and it's easier than debian.. i wanted to try debian :) |
| 23:17.39 | Azar | BluRay: ah nice... good to know |
| 23:17.42 | BluRay | and apt-get from CD-roms is so hard thing :( |
| 23:17.46 | jakub_ | yes |
| 23:17.48 | BluRay | i mean DVD-roms |
| 23:17.50 | jakub_ | i want to create a module |
| 23:17.53 | Azar | BluRay: then that reference link will be very good read for you |
| 23:17.55 | transvaal_ | Azar, ok. should i replace sarge for etch? |
| 23:17.57 | jakub_ | i installing it by .pl script |
| 23:18.00 | BluRay | Azar, thank you |
| 23:18.02 | jakub_ | but it doesn`t work |
| 23:18.03 | themill | titii: /var/lib/mysql should be 755 and ibdata1 660 |
| 23:18.09 | BluRay | i'll read it tomorrow.. it's so late now :) |
| 23:18.17 | azeem | jakub_: no idea then |
| 23:18.17 | BluRay | gmt+1 [1:18 AM] :D |
| 23:18.20 | titii | themill http://phpfi.com/251165 |
| 23:18.21 | themill | titii: check against my pastebin |
| 23:18.24 | Azar | BluRay: dive into dpkg, apt and aptitude specs |
| 23:18.37 | BluRay | and which packages is on DVD's ? |
| 23:18.39 | BluRay | apt? |
| 23:18.51 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 23:19.03 | Azar | BluRay: :) no apt is "told" where to "look" , if you want packages from repositories, comment out the DVD line |
| 23:19.17 | titii | themill /var/lib/mysql with -R? |
| 23:19.19 | BluRay | where's repositories? |
| 23:19.25 | BluRay | you mean internet? |
| 23:19.42 | BluRay | i prefer to install packages from DVD, i don't have a fast internet line |
| 23:19.45 | themill | titii: no.... |
| 23:19.47 | Azar | BluRay: based on the three Debian versions, there are three different repositories, each for each Debian version |
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| 23:20.14 | Azar | BluRay: the packages from DVD will not have the security updates, and might be "old" :) |
| 23:20.26 | solitude| | I CAN HAZ DEBIAN? |
| 23:20.27 | BluRay | oh :S |
| 23:20.28 | titii | themill /var/lib/mysql or /var/lib/mysql/ ? |
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| 23:20.33 | Azar | solitude|: hahaha |
| 23:20.38 | themill | titii: doesn't matter |
| 23:20.40 | solitude| | BluRay |
| 23:20.41 | solitude| | if you know slack |
| 23:20.44 | titii | ok done |
| 23:20.46 | solitude| | why not stick with it? |
| 23:20.53 | BluRay | is it possible to download some package, and then install it manually.. |
| 23:20.54 | jakub_ | azeem: you dont know ? |
| 23:21.03 | BluRay | solitude|, i want to try debian :) |
| 23:21.06 | solitude| | hah |
| 23:21.23 | azeem | jakub_: the usual reason why insmod segfault is because it's run as `insmod', not `/sbin/insmod' |
| 23:21.24 | BluRay | :D:D |
| 23:21.29 | BluRay | solitude|, haha :D |
| 23:21.31 | solitude| | I know a ubuntu kernel dev IRL |
| 23:21.34 | Azar | BluRay: the way Debian does things, is "the debian way" and is not recommended to "download" and "install" stuff that has nothing to do with Debian, or is not a .deb package |
| 23:21.36 | azeem | jakub_: if this isn't the case, I don't know |
| 23:21.37 | BluRay | i love slack too :) |
| 23:21.40 | solitude| | so i get to gripe about bugs to him. |
| 23:21.41 | titii | themill it runs |
| 23:21.49 | jakub_ | yeah |
| 23:21.57 | solitude| | slackbuilds ftw |
| 23:22.03 | titii | themill but with one comment Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables.. |
| 23:22.13 | solitude| | ime, debian is good for a workstation |
| 23:22.14 | themill | titii: it always says that |
| 23:22.15 | BluRay | Azar, i mean to download a deb package, and then manually install it |
| 23:22.22 | solitude| | ubuntu for laptop, slack for server |
| 23:22.22 | themill | titii: yay! on that happy note: |
| 23:22.23 | Azar | BluRay: the debian repositories has lots of lots of packages, many of which replace software that is on the "lala land online" |
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| 23:22.26 | solitude| | thats my preference :) |
| 23:22.26 | BluRay | when i install from the internet, then i don't get that package |
| 23:22.29 | BluRay | for installing later |
| 23:22.34 | BluRay | on some other machine .. |
| 23:22.41 | solitude| | the problem is when the repository is out of date |
| 23:22.55 | solitude| | like the ubuntu one is currently for a few things |
| 23:22.56 | titii | themill wow this is good message? ok i go to try my read only |
| 23:22.57 | Azar | BluRay: if you are able to compile packages and resolv dependencies, hey, why not |
| 23:23.03 | solitude| | (not ubuntus fault, but still a pain) |
| 23:23.05 | titii | themill problem |
| 23:23.09 | beered | Is it possible to restart all services (run level 2) withouth 1) restarting the computer and 2) withouth getting booted from ssh session? |
| 23:23.26 | BluRay | Azar, from which link downloads apt-get |
| 23:23.28 | BluRay | online update |
| 23:23.39 | BluRay | maybe there i can download a deb package and then install it from some directory |
| 23:23.44 | Azar | BluRay: but at one time in your Debian box life, when you upgrade, those "alien" packages will create hell on your box |
| 23:23.59 | solitude| | basically, debian doesnt play nicely |
| 23:24.12 | titii | themill congratulation, the certificate of linux guru is yours |
| 23:24.14 | solitude| | it works conveniently for stuff in the repository |
| 23:24.25 | solitude| | but it makes bitchy noises if you use anything out of it. |
| 23:24.26 | Azar | BluRay: you set up your /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the repositories, then: aptitude update, aptitude upgrade. That's it |
| 23:24.31 | themill | titii: *grin* |
| 23:24.37 | solitude| | hmm |
| 23:24.44 | solitude| | they should REALLY deprecate apt. |
| 23:24.51 | solitude| | apt-get should be disabled by default |
| 23:24.56 | solitude| | just to stop mixups |
| 23:25.03 | titii | themill do you have an icq? |
| 23:25.03 | solitude| | my fingers keep going to apt-get instead of aptitude |
| 23:25.03 | Azar | BluRay: did you read and understood what I told you ? |
| 23:25.12 | BluRay | i hope so :) |
| 23:25.24 | solitude| | BluRay, jsut go back to slack ;) |
| 23:25.26 | titii | themill otherwise where are you from? |
| 23:25.28 | solitude| | slackbuilds! |
| 23:25.28 | Azar | BluRay: you got the debian reference link, read it and learn. |
| 23:25.32 | beered | solitude|: they sould abbriviate apptitude to something shorter. |
| 23:25.40 | dvs | beered: apt? ;-() |
| 23:25.46 | solitude| | beered, just make an alias |
| 23:25.49 | BluRay | solitude|, no! :) |
| 23:25.51 | Azar | BluRay: or _don't_ read it and next week your debian breaks and you got to reinstall :) |
| 23:25.52 | solitude| | but you are right |
| 23:25.58 | solitude| | apt search foo |
| 23:26.02 | solitude| | would be nice |
| 23:26.04 | BluRay | Azar, i'll read it carefully :) |
| 23:26.12 | solitude| | gah |
| 23:26.14 | beered | solitude|: they should do that by default. :) |
| 23:26.15 | solitude| | only n00bs reinstall |
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| 23:26.24 | solitude| | beered, yes, i agree |
| 23:26.30 | Azar | solitude|: n00bs who don't read the debian documentation |
| 23:26.44 | solitude| | Azar, its possible to use out of repository stuff without problems |
| 23:26.56 | Azar | solitude|: not recommended for new Debian users |
| 23:27.09 | solitude| | i was running sarge with stuff out of it, upgraded to etch, then resolved it all manually |
| 23:27.11 | x_link | hrm |
| 23:27.15 | solitude| | Azar, i wouldnt say that |
| 23:27.25 | Azar | solitude|: again, not recommended for new Debian users |
| 23:27.29 | x_link | Now when I have 2.6.21-2-k7 and want to install vlc I can't find it |
| 23:27.32 | x_link | I use Debian Testing. |
| 23:27.42 | x_link | Doesn't Debian Testing have vlc in it's repo anymore? |
| 23:27.52 | beered | I have DNS server. It works fine. Port 53 is open and everything resolves. Questions: Do I need rpcbind listening on port 111? |
| 23:27.59 | Azar | solitude|: if you don't know wtf apt / aptitude and dpkg is, is not recommended to "download", "compile" crap off of the internet |
| 23:28.08 | x_link | Does anybody know anything about that? |
| 23:28.19 | solitude| | i would say "not for new linux users" |
| 23:28.19 | solitude| | but if you have experience with slack and maual management |
| 23:28.19 | solitude| | i see no reason why you cant make it work |
| 23:28.19 | solitude| | x_link , it does |
| 23:28.19 | solitude| | or... it did yesterday |
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| 23:28.23 | Azar | hehe |
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| 23:28.38 | beered | oooh... |
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| 23:28.53 | Azar | solitude|: that's asinine, excuse my expression, Debian does not work like "any other linux OS" period. |
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| 23:29.10 | BluRay | and when i want to remove a package |
| 23:29.10 | Gnu_Raiz | anyone have a thinkpad with Debian on it. |
| 23:29.12 | titii | some one know how to undelet files? |
| 23:29.12 | BluRay | how to do it? |
| 23:29.24 | Azar | BluRay: aptitude remove <package> |
| 23:29.28 | blubberdiblub | beered: for plain DNS, 53 suffices. in fact, i don't know what rpcbind does. i'm not using any rpc stuff here |
| 23:29.32 | solitude| | well, yes and no |
| 23:29.46 | solitude| | there IS a debian way, to just add to sources.list and the use aptitude |
| 23:29.49 | solitude| | and thats all well and good |
| 23:29.59 | BluRay | aptitude is a debian packaging tool? |
| 23:30.02 | BluRay | managing :) |
| 23:30.09 | beered | blubberdiblub: RPC is unrelated to Bind, I just learned. By the trick is that my inetd.conf has nothing defined in RPC. hrrmmm... |
| 23:30.12 | solitude| | i jsut dont think you should be forced to do that, as there are cases where .deb are not available/ |
| 23:30.34 | solitude| | BluRay, yes, it has replaced apt-get |
| 23:30.42 | solitude| | its sttraightforward BluRay |
| 23:30.46 | solitude| | debian is an easy distro :p |
| 23:30.52 | solitude| | vim /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:30.55 | Azar | BluRay: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/concise-apt-get-dpkg-primer-for-new.html << either start reading, or go to sleep please |
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| 23:30.58 | titii | anyone know how to undelet the ext3 filesystem? |
| 23:31.00 | solitude| | add mirror with software there |
| 23:31.02 | BluRay | solitude|, i saw that file |
| 23:31.07 | solitude| | then aptitude search FOO |
| 23:31.12 | solitude| | aptitude install BAR |
| 23:31.15 | solitude| | done |
| 23:31.20 | BluRay | and commented is web links and uncommented DVD |
| 23:31.28 | solitude| | err |
| 23:31.28 | solitude| | no |
| 23:31.29 | blubberdiblub | beered: it does not need to have anything defined in the RPC section if you don't need it ;) |
| 23:31.34 | solitude| | comment out the DVD |
| 23:31.38 | solitude| | and use the web mirrors |
| 23:31.43 | solitude| | theyre like ... up to date. |
| 23:31.54 | solitude| | and you will need to use unofficial mirrors at times too |
| 23:31.57 | Azar | solitude|: can you do me a favor, please :) can you type in the channel: I officially declare the weekend started, and it starts with me! |
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| 23:32.07 | solitude| | Azar, why? :S |
| 23:32.13 | beered | I have port 111 (RPC) open. I don't have portmapper in rc2.d. How do I kill this thing (RPC)? |
| 23:32.16 | Azar | solitude|: so we have a weekend starter |
| 23:32.23 | solitude| | I somehow suspect that its a prank. |
| 23:32.29 | robboplus | how do i check if my apache is secure? |
| 23:32.33 | Azar | solitude|: no it is not |
| 23:32.49 | solitude| | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.58 | solitude| | Happy? :) |
| 23:32.59 | Azar | solitude|: thanks, I just marked my log |
| 23:33.01 | Azar | yes |
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| 23:33.10 | robboplus | solitude| my beer is already open, and how about yours? |
| 23:33.14 | BluRay | i'm asking again.. is it possible to get a package from mirrors? |
| 23:33.19 | BluRay | i have a slow download link |
| 23:33.20 | blubberdiblub | beered: but is portmapper running? or what other program uses the 111 right now? |
| 23:33.25 | solitude| | robboplus, yes actually :) |
| 23:33.25 | BluRay | and when i need to update 2-3 machines |
| 23:33.29 | BluRay | i will not do that |
| 23:33.31 | robboplus | solitude| is it cold? |
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| 23:33.34 | solitude| | yes :) |
| 23:33.37 | BluRay | better to manually download packages and then install it |
| 23:33.37 | azeem | BluRay: it is possible |
| 23:33.37 | Azar | BluRay: you will NOT download stuff |
| 23:33.40 | BluRay | how? |
| 23:33.43 | bubbeh | is /home /usr /var /tmp being seperate partitions good? what are the benefits (4.5 gig harddrive) |
| 23:33.44 | solitude| | on the last of the 6 pack now |
| 23:33.51 | solitude| | gonna sleep soon :) |
| 23:33.57 | robboplus | solitude| i'm trying to find out who opened the beer earlier |
| 23:33.58 | beered | blubberdiblub: it was portmap, not portmapper. I made a typo there. :-D |
| 23:34.00 | robboplus | that matters. |
| 23:34.02 | solitude| | Meet BluRay, a slackware user. |
| 23:34.11 | solitude| | He does not understand debian. |
| 23:34.16 | solitude| | I recommend he just use slackware! |
| 23:34.28 | BluRay | i learned to install packages manually :) |
| 23:34.31 | BluRay | not .deb packages |
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| 23:34.33 | robboplus | hacks or hugs? :) |
| 23:34.41 | solitude| | I like my debian and ubuntu, but i love my slackware. :) |
| 23:35.00 | BluRay | so, i need to download for every debian with apt-get |
| 23:35.07 | blubberdiblub | beered: if it's portmap that's running and if you don't need it, i suggest you just remove the package. that removes the start scripts for it in a clean way, too |
| 23:35.09 | robboplus | i would rather hug a freebsd box to be honest |
| 23:35.13 | BluRay | i can't get one package (download once) and install it on few machines |
| 23:35.13 | bubbeh | is /home /usr /var /tmp being seperate partitions good? what are the benefits (4.5 gig harddrive) |
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| 23:35.53 | solitude| | mmm, freebsd |
| 23:35.55 | solitude| | shiny |
| 23:36.03 | blubberdiblub | beered: if you're using nfs, tho, i think you will need portmap ... |
| 23:36.17 | solitude| | FreeBSD is good because theres no Proc! |
| 23:36.31 | robboplus | it's good because it's secure :) |
| 23:36.37 | solitude| | also, the ports tree is the best damn automagic packagemanagement there. |
| 23:36.43 | solitude| | its good because of ports. |
| 23:36.52 | solitude| | openbsd is secure too, but not as nice to use. |
| 23:36.52 | robboplus | that too |
| 23:37.03 | solitude| | openbsd is very cleverly secure. |
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| 23:37.17 | azeem | freebsd and openbsd are also off-topic here |
| 23:37.25 | robboplus | it's just as good as a six-pack : |
| 23:37.32 | bubbeh | is seperate /home /usr /var and /tmp better than all in one partition? |
| 23:37.34 | solitude| | no, beer always beats *nix |
| 23:37.44 | robboplus | hm, true. |
| 23:37.52 | solitude| | bubbeh, /home on another partition or disk is clever. :) |
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| 23:38.05 | robboplus | ok back to my apach0r |
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| 23:38.07 | bubbeh | alright |
| 23:38.10 | blubberdiblub | bubbeh: depends on your needs, but in most cases, separating them is a good thing |
| 23:38.21 | robboplus | or... is it better to use lighttpd? |
| 23:38.29 | solitude| | apache == win? |
| 23:38.34 | bubbeh | it's a 4.5 gig harddrive |
| 23:38.36 | bubbeh | not very big |
| 23:38.37 | robboplus | nono linux |
| 23:38.38 | bubbeh | so i dont know |
| 23:38.42 | solitude| | You're a hard drive. |
| 23:38.47 | transvaal_ | doesn't anyone here use jboss with debian? |
| 23:38.48 | bubbeh | thank you.. |
| 23:38.57 | robboplus | i was told that i got a hole in my apache2 and i'm going crazy about it |
| 23:39.04 | blubberdiblub | bubbeh: like for example, when one partitions gets corrupted, you still have the other ones. or you could make /usr read only while leaving the other ones read/write |
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| 23:39.13 | solitude| | robboplus, run IIS on a h4xx0red VM |
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| 23:39.26 | bubbeh | blubberdiblub: ooooh well i dont think i need that lol i just wanna do xserver dev |
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| 23:39.57 | robboplus | solitude| is it possible to run apache in chroot? |
| 23:40.14 | solitude| | hmmm |
| 23:40.16 | blubberdiblub | bubbeh: and for /tmp, i suggest you put that on a tmpfs, so it doesn't use disk space directly. it would use swap then, when your free memory gets shorter |
| 23:40.23 | solitude| | jailing your apache? |
| 23:40.27 | robboplus | yes |
| 23:40.41 | solitude| | you CAN |
| 23:40.46 | solitude| | but it does bugger all |
| 23:40.53 | jetscreamer | !whiffy |
| 23:40.57 | jetscreamer | !wifi |
| 23:40.57 | dpkg | somebody said wifi was a silly name for 802.11b wireless networking. |
| 23:41.03 | robboplus | looks like i need more beer |
| 23:41.05 | solitude| | http://www.linux.com/articles/36331 |
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| 23:41.14 | robboplus | a few more and will eventually sort it out |
| 23:41.26 | solitude| | now. openBSD chrooting apache Does work |
| 23:41.28 | solitude| | very well: |
| 23:41.29 | solitude| | :S |
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| 23:41.41 | solitude| | debian is not a security focussed OS |
| 23:41.53 | solitude| | (that is not to say that it isnt secure) |
| 23:41.53 | jetscreamer | now you're being silly |
| 23:41.59 | solitude| | no, im not. |
| 23:42.21 | solitude| | just because security isnt its #1 purpose like openBSD does not make it insecure. |
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| 23:42.29 | rahul | haha jboss |
| 23:42.33 | x_link | solitude|: Well, when I do sudo aptitude search vlc I don't find anything. |
| 23:42.34 | rahul | what a scam |
| 23:42.43 | x_link | Nothing gets installed when I do sudo aptitude install vlc either. |
| 23:42.44 | robboplus | is it me or is linux.com down? |
| 23:42.45 | solitude| | x_link, are your sources set up right? |
| 23:42.49 | jetscreamer | why sudo |
| 23:43.09 | georgy | linux.com down either |
| 23:43.19 | solitude| | hmm |
| 23:43.21 | robboplus | this is so sad. |
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| 23:43.31 | solitude| | robboplus, i think i was misleading earlier |
| 23:43.35 | x_link | solitude|: I use contrib non-free |
| 23:43.39 | solitude| | chrooting apache in a jail should work on linux |
| 23:43.59 | robboplus | solitude| how many beers does it take to have it setup? |
| 23:44.04 | solitude| | insofar as restricting the access of the apache and its child procceses |
| 23:44.07 | robboplus | i got just 2 left |
| 23:44.16 | solitude| | x_link, main/unstable contrib non-free? |
| 23:44.30 | solitude| | robboplus, no idea, i dont drink when i work anymore :p |
| 23:44.45 | robboplus | he he |
| 23:44.47 | solitude| | but you need more beer ;PO |
| 23:44.57 | x_link | solitude|: Testing |
| 23:45.04 | x_link | solitude|: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30626/ That's my sources.list |
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| 23:45.12 | solitude| | testing isnt a mirror ... |
| 23:45.20 | solitude| | you want "unstable" there,. |
| 23:45.26 | x_link | What? |
| 23:45.29 | solitude| | then do aptitude update |
| 23:45.37 | x_link | Why would I want unstable? |
| 23:45.41 | solitude| | s/testing/unstable:g |
| 23:45.41 | x_link | I don't want to use Sid. |
| 23:45.45 | x_link | I want to use Testing. |
| 23:45.50 | solitude| | oh |
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| 23:46.25 | solitude| | im not sure then |
| 23:46.26 | solitude| | :S |
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| 23:46.48 | solitude| | gah |
| 23:46.50 | x_link | okej. |
| 23:46.50 | solitude| | imma sleep :) |
| 23:46.52 | solitude| | gnight guys |
| 23:46.59 | x_link | Can somebody please help me out a bit? |
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| 23:47.05 | fasta | Is the free vmware packaged somewhere for Debian? |
| 23:47.18 | jakub_ | ehehe :-D |
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| 23:47.24 | solitude| | o |
| 23:47.24 | jakub_ | nix is down |
| 23:47.31 | solitude| | debian are nazis who dont think its free ;) |
| 23:47.36 | solitude| | as the source isnt free |
| 23:47.38 | solitude| | ¬_¬ |
| 23:47.48 | solitude| | i used automatix2 to install it |
| 23:47.51 | solitude| | it MAY be in non-free though |
| 23:47.54 | solitude| | in fact |
| 23:47.56 | solitude| | i think it is |
| 23:47.57 | azeem | solitude|: you won't get much anywhere invoking Godwin's law |
| 23:48.09 | keith80403 | I found the Etch source code iso's here: http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian-cd/4.0_r0/source/iso-cd/ |
| 23:48.10 | x_link | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30626/ |
| 23:48.18 | x_link | Is there anything wrong with my sources.list there? |
| 23:48.34 | solitude| | azeem, well, true |
| 23:48.39 | x_link | I mean why does everybody else have vlc in their repo except for me. |
| 23:48.46 | x_link | I could install it before, but not anymore. |
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| 23:49.20 | solitude| | debian has a warped idea of free. |
| 23:49.20 | solitude| | very warped. |
| 23:49.34 | solitude| | I'm just happy I get good software like vmware without needed to pay |
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| 23:49.46 | azeem | when it comes to VMWare, I doubt BSD has a different meaning on its freeness |
| 23:49.51 | solitude| | itll be silly to demand that they just hand out the source they spend $$$ developing |
| 23:49.54 | blubberdiblub | x_link: does aptitude report any dependency problems when trying to install vlc? if you try leaving out the multimedia repo, will it work then? |
| 23:50.23 | solitude| | azeem, maybe, but that wouldnt change what i said |
| 23:50.29 | x_link | blubberdiblub: I will try. |
| 23:50.34 | x_link | blubberdiblub: It just says that it didn't find it. |
| 23:50.43 | azeem | solitude|: yes, that's your tragedy |
| 23:50.54 | solitude| | hey ... |
| 23:50.57 | solitude| | no need to get personal |
| 23:51.08 | Greyscale__ | Anyone else had the installer freeze on the selinux bit? |
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| 23:51.28 | Greyscale__ | Only seems to happen on my 2.4Ghz Intel. |
| 23:51.43 | solitude| | if you can legally get software without paying for it, thats free enough for the majorit of users, |
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| 23:52.05 | rahul | software isn't like other products |
| 23:52.15 | rahul | it has bugs and it has integration issues |
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| 23:52.19 | solitude| | in what sense? |
| 23:52.26 | rahul | if you can't fix it, you're not as free to use it |
| 23:52.36 | solitude| | err, lets use the word "flaw" instead of bug |
| 23:52.36 | blubberdiblub | x_link: hmm, the vlc package doesn't seem to be in lenny ... one solution would be, to add etch to your sources.list, and to edit /etc/apt/preferences so that it prefery lenny over etch |
| 23:52.38 | fasta | solitude|: does vmware work with DirectX under Linux? |
| 23:52.48 | solitude| | then you realsie thatmost products are flawed in some way |
| 23:53.00 | solitude| | and you can get integration issues with other things too .. |
| 23:53.03 | blubberdiblub | x_link: prefery -> prefers |
| 23:53.07 | rahul | of course, you don't need to be allowed to fix and redistribute the whole thing to get that benefit. the thing that RMS wanted to destroy was actually far more free than any commercial software today |
| 23:53.07 | solitude| | like ... mega blox not working with lego :D |
| 23:53.16 | solitude| | software isnt 'special' |
| 23:53.20 | fasta | rahul: the economy of open-source software is completely broken |
| 23:53.23 | rahul | it came with source, and a license to distribute fixes |
| 23:53.23 | solitude| | just harder to define IP and patents |
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| 23:53.55 | rahul | you can't just go and fix a physical product. you need a factory. |
| 23:53.57 | fasta | I can't think of anything that should be patentable. |
| 23:54.01 | solitude| | fasta, no idea to be honest. |
| 23:54.01 | rahul | a software factory is a computer. |
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| 23:54.17 | rahul | fasta: then, s/of.*// |
| 23:54.28 | solitude| | youre free to use itm under the EULA you accepted. |
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| 23:54.36 | solitude| | which is pretty reasonable |
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| 23:54.46 | solitude| | the GPL just gives you more *more* freedom |
| 23:54.55 | solitude| | also, you can fix plenty of things |
| 23:55.01 | solitude| | like... the rust on my car |
| 23:55.02 | azeem | solitude|: uhm, you got personal first by calling me a nazi |
| 23:55.07 | rahul | you've fixed bugs in windows? |
| 23:55.09 | fasta | I think I am writing one of the most complex pieces of software ever made now. |
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| 23:55.24 | solitude| | azeem, i was refering to the project philosophy |
| 23:55.28 | rahul | fasta: sure, sure |
| 23:55.32 | fasta | But, even then, I don't think that should be patentable. |
| 23:55.42 | solitude| | rahul, no, i let other people fix it, then use their fixes. |
| 23:55.42 | azeem | solitude|: you said "debian are nazis" |
| 23:55.43 | rahul | fasta: software is not everything |
| 23:55.52 | rahul | solitude|: they can't legally fix it |
| 23:55.54 | solitude| | azeem, perhaps I said it badly then. |
| 23:56.01 | fasta | rahul: I could explain it to you, but unless you have a Phd. in CS you won't have a chance to understand. |
| 23:56.04 | rahul | haha |
| 23:56.05 | solitude| | rahul, sure they can |
| 23:56.11 | solitude| | you get open source on windows too... |
| 23:56.16 | rahul | fasta: I could get a PhD in CS if I wanted |
| 23:56.31 | rahul | solitude|: and then give up all possibility of making a living as a progrmamer |
| 23:56.39 | solitude| | ? |
| 23:56.47 | solitude| | I do not program for a living :D |
| 23:56.57 | rahul | solitude|: as you just signed away all rights to your products to MS |
| 23:57.07 | tbamr | solitude|, so you live to program ;-) |
| 23:57.08 | solitude| | no you dont :/ |
| 23:57.11 | rahul | you do |
| 23:57.13 | fasta | rahul: You are: http://wow.eecs.berkeley.edu/~rjain/ |
| 23:57.15 | fasta | rahul: ? |
| 23:57.17 | solitude| | also there are commercial linux products too. |
| 23:57.20 | rahul | fasta: haha, no |
| 23:57.29 | rahul | fasta: although he has often been confused with me :) |
| 23:57.39 | rahul | fasta: (mostly when we went to the same school) |
| 23:57.48 | solitude| | rahul, nowhere does it say that if you use windows, all ip derived on that is microsofts. |
| 23:57.56 | rahul | solitude|: nowhere did I say that |
| 23:57.59 | tbamr | rahul, cahoot. howdy |
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| 23:58.09 | solitude| | would you like to elaborate on [00:56:10] <rahul> solitude|: as you just signed away all rights to your products to MS ? |
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| 23:58.28 | azeem | solitude|, rahul: please take this elsewhere, it's off-topic here |
| 23:58.34 | fasta | rahul: You can laugh at me, but I am _sure_ you won't understand, unless you are a genius. |
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| 23:58.44 | rahul | fasta: sure sure |
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| 23:58.57 | tbamr | azeem, just wondering what conf-miss does underneath |
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| 23:59.05 | rahul | fasta: if you can't describe what something does in two sentences (at a high level), it might as well not exist |
| 23:59.20 | rahul | solitude|: it was a response to windows is "open source" |
| 23:59.40 | fasta | rahul: when you get to a certain point no layman does. Science has become very specialistic. |
| 23:59.47 | tbamr | azeem, any idea ? |
| 23:59.57 | azeem | tbamr: why do you ask me? |
